McConnell promises to cave

By New Haven Register (CT)November 26, 2013 6:55 am

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WASHINGTON - Republican leaders said Sunday that they will not resort to tactics from the last round of budget talks, which resulted in a 16-day shutdown in government operations and the threat of default on the federal debt.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., promised that his party would not allow another closure, saying that outcome would not align with Republican principles.

"Shutting down the government, in my view, is not conservative policy," McConnell said during an interview on CBS's "Face The Nation." "I don't think a two-week paid vacation for federal employees is conservative policy. A number of us were saying back in July that this strategy could not and would not work, and of course it didn't. So there will not be another government shutdown. You can count on that."

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, however, doubled down on President Barack Obama's health-care law.

"I would do anything and I will continue to do anything I can to stop the train wreck that is Obamacare," Cruz said on ABC's "This Week."

Cruz, a central figure in the GOP push to tie the health law with budget talks, blamed members of his party for failing to win concessions, suggesting GOP lawmakers should have united around his message.

"I think it was unfortunate that you saw multiple members of the Senate Republicans going on television attacking House conservatives, attacking the effort to defund Obamacare, saying it cannot win, it's a fool's errand, we will lose, this must fail," Cruz said. "That is a recipe for losing the fight, and it's a shame."

But leaders from both parties largely said Sunday that government shutdowns and the threat of default will not help GOP lawmakers achieve their goals.

"What we should have learned in the last couple of weeks is, if you're in a divided government and you're arguing against the law, you're disadvantaged," Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said on "Fox News Sunday."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., described the shutdown as a "wake- up call" for Republicans during an interview on "Face the Nation."

"The tactic of defunding the government unless he repealed his signature issue was as poorly designed as 'Obamacare' itself," Graham said.

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, R, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, said the shutdown standoff did not end well for his party. He said the health-care law would probably fail on its own without Republicans threatening government closures and default.

"It might actually be politically a better approach to see the massive dysfunction, but we don't even hear about that, because we've stepped on that message," Bush said during an interview on "This Week." "Republicans just need to take a step back and show self-restraint and let this happen a little more organically."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., applauded her fellow Democrats for standing firm during a period of brinkmanship.

"I join the American people in their disgust at what happened in terms of the shutdown of government," she said on "This Week." "That's an unthinkable tactic to use in the political debate. But I will say that I'm very proud of my House Democrats and the Senate Democrats, as well."

Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the shutdown has taken a toll on the government and the economy.

"I can't give you a number today of what it is -- I know the direction," he said on "Meet the Press." "The direction is, it took an economy that is fighting hard to get good economic growth going to create jobs for the American people, and it took it in the wrong direction. Our job in Washington is to move things in the right direction."

Ratings agencies including Standard & Poor's and Moody's Analytics have estimated that the shutdown cost the economy at least $23 billion in projected growth.

McConnell said that during future budget talks he will insist on reducing the nation's deficits without raising taxes. He suggested that the automatic spending cuts known as the sequester, which are set to continue for nine more years, have given his party leverage for the upcoming negotiations.The government-wide spending reductions, which started to take effect in March as a result of the Budget Control Act, trimmed spending by $85 billion during the past fiscal year. They will continue with deeper cuts unless Congress and the White House agree to an alternative deficit-reduction plan.

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Comment by jenersea November 26, 2013 @ 8:40 am

The shut down did not work because the GOP lost its pucker and gave in and gave Obozo what he wanted. Doing so you lost any chance of Obozo ever working with you. Demoncrats at least stood united. Who do you really trust with the GOP anymore?

Obama made the shutdown as painful as possible and of course it didnt work because there was no follow thru. You cant expect anything else. Why do the repubs always give in. The few like Cruz and Lee and Paul cant get anywhere because not enough backbone from the rest.Remember obama locked out the vets. remember muslim prayer day, remember Benghazi, remember the poor mother shot and killed because she paniced at a bully cops actions.Also dont forget fast and furious, the IRS scandal and various other lies and mayhem along with hillary clinton.

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Comment by boznard November 26, 2013 @ 11:02 am

Exactly. We need a clean sweep in Washington, even if 5-10 good ones get wiped out too. N. Korea had promised to nüke D.C. about a year ago. Where are they when we need them?!?!?!

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Comment by sumitch November 26, 2013 @ 11:10 am

“I join the American people in their disgust at what happened in terms of the shutdown of government,” she said on This Week.” “That’s an unthinkable tactic to use in the political debate.” – Madamn Pelosi: 2013.

Did I see you join the America people in their disgust at shutting down the WW II memorial Stretch? Did you protest Obama shutting down private businesses? Did you agree with your lord and master to make the shut down as painful as possible? Were you standing up with Senator Cruz when he was at the memorial standing for principal? Or were you busy getting another nose job and neck waddle tightened up? As for me, I don’t want any part of any organization that lets you join it.

Wasn’t it the Damnocraps that threatened to shut down the government a few years back if President Bush didn’t go along with the tax increase you demanded? Then made him out to be a liar because taxes went up.

The Democrat modus operandi; It’s your fault because you didn’t give us what we want. It’s your fault, not ours. You started it.

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Comment by vietnamvet November 26, 2013 @ 11:25 am

>> A number of us were saying back in July that this strategy could not and would not work, and of course it didn’t. <<

The strategy didn't work because McConnell, McCain, and the rest sabotaged the effort.

My wife visited McConnell's Facebook page to leave a nasty note, and she saw where one of his Kentucky constituents had asked McConnell how it feels to have his nuts in the grip of Harry Reid.

We sure hope he gets 'primaried' into unemployment …

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Comment by jjb54 November 26, 2013 @ 2:27 pm

Anyone over 50 needs to be retired – Period. They lost their ‘reason’ and ‘purpose’ for being there. There are now there … well I’m not even sure why they are there any more, to be honest! It is certainly NOT to fight for us who are the Conservative side – they certainly do NOT care for the Republican Vision and Purpose .. so why the hell are they still there?

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Comment by sumitch November 26, 2013 @ 3:58 pm

Are you making some kind of a joke jjb54? If you’re serious I’d like to see some substantiating reasoning to back up what you are saying, not just your opinion. Also, what do you mean about “being there”? Also where is that there?

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Comment by skidooman November 26, 2013 @ 4:47 pm

If the GOP is going to go along with everything that the dems want, then why on earth would I vote for a Republican?? Goals they say?? What goals? They have no goals, no standards, no backbone, and no testicles. For over 40 years I’ve voted Republican, no matter how much the candidate made me hold my nose (John McCain). I will either vote for any dem candidate or simply stay home. At least with a dem, I know what kind of treachery I’m going to get. This great country is now circling the drain thanks to spineless repubs, and I’m glad I’m in my later years so I don’t have to see it. Here’s a good slogan for the GOP; “Everyone Just Go Along TO Get Along.” You’re guaranteed a victory.

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Comment by mcrank November 26, 2013 @ 6:25 pm

“But leaders from both parties largely said Sunday that government shutdowns and the threat of default will not help GOP lawmakers achieve their goals.”

Every time I see a remark like this one, I want to walk straight into Congress and knock the living hell out of every one of them. Since when do Liberals care about Republicans—or Conservatives—reaching their goals? Since when?? And this current crop of yellow-back RINO’s buy into this garbage.

Republican Party—if you’re not fighting the Liberals—then you’re joining them. And that makes you no better than they are. McConnell has been spending way too much time with Harry Reid—so much so that he is becoming like him.

So, I gather what you’re saying Mitch, is that we can look for more concessions to the Democrats. Worthless coward.

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Comment by mcrank November 26, 2013 @ 7:41 pm

Yhe trolls are taking a big interest in the comments on this article.

Don’t look for me to say anything you like—it isn’t forthcoming.

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Comment by petark November 26, 2013 @ 8:44 am

But leaders from both parties largely said Sunday that government shutdowns and the threat of default will not help GOP lawmakers achieve their goals.

McConnell is a fool, and can only bring on more heat to the slow cooking socialist pot he surrenders to that cooks our American Constitution. I don’t think a two-week paid vacation for federal employees is conservative policy either and NOBODY should have got ANY pay for work they did not perform which is what Conservatives really stand for. So Mitch Mitch you son of a ???? Why did you ever tell them up front they would get back pay after the smoke had settled. Why are YOU governemnt employees who are designed to SERVE the people, just vote in programs that make THE PEOPLE serve you? Enter the entire failed Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch, none of whom should be paid a dime in any year they cannot provide the America people with a workable responsible budget. McConnell is a weak sister who has let Obama divide and conquer his party in the Senate and almost got away with it in the house as well.,,,,,Democrats stand firm in their willingness to destroy the government and get rewarded. Republican cave and think they are being responsible but get creamed in the polls. Just how well is that working for you McConnell? You stir the pot and then cry when it boils over. Well sometimes you have to bring the pot of freedom to a boil before you can cook an eatable dish which is not suppose to hold your fellow Republicans tossed in as ingredients for the other team’s cannablist concoction to feed upon. No wonder the natives are restless.

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Comment by txgoatlady November 26, 2013 @ 8:50 am

Does this mean he is going to allow Harry Reid to pass new taxes? Reid has already said he will demand higher taxes. If McConnell is unwilling to fight, I guess we can just watch the economy go further in the crapper. I hope McConnell gets primaried.

More reason for the Senate democrats to change from 60 to 51 the vote for approval of legislation. Democrats a running scared , had nothing to do with Cruz. It had to do with the failure of Obamacare and the realization they may lose control of both House and Senate in Congress when America finds out the people have been fleeced.

SIMPLE SOLUTION GET RID OF ALL THE **** IN WASHINGTON AND LET MICKEY & MINNIE MOUSE RUN THE SHOW AFTER ALL WALT DISNEY HAS BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN ALL THOSE IDIOTS, THEY CAN’T GET ANYTHING RIGHT NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF OUR HARD EARNED TAX MONEY IS TAKEN FROM US

Personally sick of politicians worrying about the next election instead of doing what they were elected to do! If these positions within the government are so poorly paid, then why do they stay in? This government has grown to be so big, it is unmanageable. We have made a monster to big to control.

They stay in because they are too inept to do anything else that makes them richer each year and gives them a little power and the right to think they are invincible in elections! NOT! McConnell and so many other RINOS sand moderates are just Demos in disguise and need to go. Yes, let him get kicked out this time and support his competitor. The more Tea Party members, the better for America. Shut up, McConnell, because like Obama you are not believed nor wanted.

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Comment by mred November 26, 2013 @ 10:46 am

And every bit of it is our fault. We have let them get away with it for years to the point that everyone now thinks this is normal government. No one bothers to read the constitution or make this government govern by it like it is supposed to. If you read the constitution you will find out that most of what is going on is against that constitution that everyone holds so dear, but knows NOTHING about. There are so few people even bothering to read it, it just amazes me. They continue to talk about how bad this government is, yet most of them will not even bother to vote, let alone hold their feet tot the fire. If you can’t be bothered to read your own constitution and will not vote, then you have nothing to say about this or anything else this government does……..

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Comment by sumitch November 26, 2013 @ 4:08 pm

The reason that they think the government is so bad must be because their freebies, unemployment and welfare checks aren’t hand delivered to their door. They’re getting tired of holding their hands out for more government assistance.

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Comment by whodunit November 26, 2013 @ 9:51 am

I still fail to see who was actually harmed by this very well publicized government shutdown. Workers got back pay. The majority of Americans got along just fine.

This is nothing but a self-serving political ploy on McConnell’s part. He isn’t interested in what’s best for the country. He’s interested in preserving his political career.

Cruz and Lee are the real heroes, having the intestinal fortitude to stand strong and say, “This has got to stop.” Government spending is out of control, and the people who are effected by it are the people who end up paying for it — the American citizens.

No, sorry, not ALL workers got back pay. Some got no pay at all. This was not a holiday for many of us.

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Comment by poppo November 26, 2013 @ 6:00 pm

Hey Who! The Dems cannot let a crisis go to waste. Have to blame the economy on the Republicans, cause blaming it on Bush is starting to lose it’s flavor, just like old chewing gum!

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Comment by sumitch November 27, 2013 @ 10:42 am

I think Massa Obama may have taken a hit with the shutdown and his spoiled brat reaction(s) such as when he shut down the memorial.

Now if we can come up with a way to insure that all military votes are counted.

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Comment by conservativepatriot November 26, 2013 @ 10:10 am

So what are you saying, Mitch? That we are supposed to give up? That all we can do is to go along quietly with whatever King Hussein decrees? That our system of government was a complete failure and must yield to despotism? You and your fellow RINO cronies care about nothing but preserving your jobs and your power. You are worthless, and “represent” nobody but yourselves. Why don’t you retire and let someone like Ted Cruz, who still cares about the Constitution and about what is happening to America, take your place?

This is that much more reason for Everyone to support Matt Bevin for Senate. All conservatives should get a message out over social media to support Matt for Senate. We need more conservatives with Back Bone.

“…There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare…” ; “…If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility…”
Who Shut Down the Government? By Thomas Sowell http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/full

“Shutting down the government, in my view, is not conservative policy,” McConnell said during an interview on CBS’s “Face The Nation.” “I don’t think a two-week paid vacation for federal employees is conservative policy. A number of us were saying back in July that this strategy could not and would not work, and of course it didn’t. So there will not be another government shutdown. You can count on that.” ”

First of all, not every government employee got a paid vacation. Some people that work for the governemnt, and are not necessarily “government employees” and did not get paid.

Many of us were forced to use our “PTO” or Paid Time Off, or vacation time, followed by whatever other type of paid time off we had accumulated, then nothing. No pay at all for what time remained after we used up all of our vacation time during a non-scheduled time off. This means that many Americans were forced to forgo a vacation in lieu of having to take a forced time away from work, AND, as I said, without pay. How many families, who really were looking forward to a scheduled – away from home, from a real vacation, were forced to stay home, or be close enough to return to work upon recall were unable to do so because of this shutdown?

So, it was not all fun and games for everyone involved in this darned shutdown, which, by the way, was Obama and Reid’s fault, not the Republicans! Get that straight!

Were you one of those who was classified as ‘non-essential’? I cannot even think about working for anyone, or any company that classifies me with that insulting description. Does this tell you anything about your ‘top boss’? Do you really enjoy going to work everyday knowing they even have that classification of workers? I certainly know how I would feel and certainly know what I would do.

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Comment by cgretired November 26, 2013 @ 2:43 pm

Yes I was. Unfortunately, in the FAA, non-essential means that you do not work on operational systems. I work in R&D in a program called Nextgen. Since the system is not fully operational, anyone working on the project that was not directly connected with active Air Traffic Control were sent home.

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Comment by sumitch November 26, 2013 @ 4:24 pm

I’d give up my last shiny dime to see Barry get on an Air Force 1 that didn’t have a few thoughts from R&D behind building it. I wonder how he’d like to sit in the “Beast” without being up armored and the bullet proof glass.

I was in Marketing. AKA target zero when it comes time to cut expenses, so I feel your pain.

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Comment by sotheseedsofliberty2 November 26, 2013 @ 7:48 pm

“McConnell promises to cave…” It’s now apparent that the republican party believes that their role is to only be a partner in assisting government along in carrying out any policy that those in control of government policy have determined is best for the unenlightened masses, those unenlightened that Obama referred to when he said,”….they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.“
Frederic Bastiat wrote his thoughts on how the elite politicians of both parties view the common man in a pamphlet in 1850 called,”The Law.”….It is indeed fortunate that Heaven has bestowed upon certain men-governors and legislators -the exact opposite inclinations, not only for their own sake but also for the sake of the rest of the world! While mankind tends towards evil, the legislators yearn for good; while mankind advances toward darkness, the legislators aspire for enlightenment; while mankind is drawn toward vice, the legislators are attracted toward virtue.
Since they have decided that this is the true state of affairs, they then demand the use of force in order to substitute their own inclinations for those of the human race.”…..” You will probably find this idea that mankind is merely inert matter, receiving life, organization, morality, and prosperity from the power of the state.”
As Abraham Lincoln said, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” The public have discovered that they have been played for fools by the politicians in Washington and can no longer suffer the duplicitous actions of our politicians, its unacceptable and no longer tolerable.

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Comment by phollandoh November 26, 2013 @ 12:00 pm

McConnell is a RINO. He needs to grow up(yes at his age) and realize that America has gone to trash under his “leader???”ship. Time to step aside Mitch. Mitch, look at the legacy you are going to leave for your children. Do you not care about that? How are you going to explain to your children that under your watch you allowed the enemy to creep in and take over America without firing a single shot. Didn’t a Russian leader say the communists would take over America without firing a shot. Well it appears to have happened and is why I have turned to INDEPENDENT because of the GOP RINO leadership like you and Boehner. You have no guts to challenge the democratic/socialist/communist/muslim parties, like taking on impeachment of this traitorous president and administration and democrat party with some republicans aiding and abetting. All need to be charged with treason. Please, get some fight in you belly and come out swinging, NOW!

Too late for that old goat and that side-kick of his Lindsey Graham (I really could add a few more but won’t)….both had their chances to do the right thing. I’m for Matt Bevin and will do all I can to see Matt defeat McConnell.

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Comment by skeptic November 26, 2013 @ 12:28 pm

It’s all a dog and pony show to hide what is really happening.
This is the Canadian version.

“Shutting down the government, in my view, is not conservative policy,” McConnell said.

Yes Senator, actually it is, but it certainly isn’t for you seeing as you got a nice $3 billion kick back. And, you are not a conservative.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., described the shutdown as a “wake- up call” for Republican.

No Senator, not for Conservative Republicans but it is very revealing who the cowards in the Republican Party are, who the establishment elitists are. The likes of you, Senator.

“The tactic of defunding the government unless he repealed his signature issue was as poorly designed as ‘Obamacare’ itself,” Graham said.

Yes Senator, because you have no spine. Because you don’t want to lead, you are perfectly content just being at the table.

If EVER there was a time for another Founding Father’s revolution it is now.
If EVER there was a time for term limits, it is now.
If EVER there was a time for a seed change in government from the smallest hamlet, school board, village, to the highest levels in the country, including the Judicial Branch, it is now.

Yeah, and living in New Jersey, we can start with the school boards and the higher-ups in the screwed up school system here. Unfortunately, when we go to the voting booths, we see the same old ****—names on one side (democrat) with absolutely none, and I really mean that, on the other side. So, what do we do? Write in a name? So he/she gets a vote maybe two.

The school system here is the biggest drain in our wallets than anything you could ever imagine.

Anyway, this is not a referendum on school boards, unfortunately. I’ve posted about how this darned shutdown affected me and others around me. I am lucky. I had enough stash to carry me through. I feel really sorry for the younger folks I worked with that really suffered with no pay and no chance of recovering. But, at least, when the jerks got it somewhat together, these poor folks got back to work and, well, we all are looking to what will happen in February. I have absolutely no optimism. None, I’m sorry to say.

I wonder.. is this Bosnia? Is this a banana republic? Is this South America? Perhaps southeast Asia? I forgot. Someone remind me where we live.

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Comment by poppo November 26, 2013 @ 6:14 pm

JS & CG: You guys are spot on! I am an old man, but I had the pleasure to live in this Country when it was actually the Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free. I fear that those days are over forever, and I am sad for the younger generation that we were unable to pass on the legacy of this Once Wonderful Country. We underestimated the deceit and the hatred of the devils that now control Washington. This steady erosion of the peoples power has been going on for over 100 years. Mark Levin’s book “The Liberty Amendments” is the only suggestion I have to JS’s comments. Mark has proposed a convention of states to restore control of the Federal Government to the people. Lacking that, we can only Pray. Come soon, Lord Jesus!

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Comment by sotheseedsofliberty2 November 26, 2013 @ 8:14 pm

sotheseedsofliberty2′s comment to Comment by js071257
November 26, 2013 Good reply,Your 100 percent correct in what you wrote.

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Comment by cgretired November 26, 2013 @ 8:19 pm

If you have ever traveled to Europe, you can clearly see where this country is headed, if not there already.
I have friend living near London. He suffered a heart problem and was told that he would get to see a Cardiac doctor in about 5 months or so. He was forced to seek help from an independent medical firm. The alternative was waiting the 5 months, and hope he lived that long. So, he paid, out of his pocket, over 24,000 Pounds British – somewhere close to $40,000. He is still alive and well, fortunately, but with no help from the National Health system.
As Poppo said, I lived through the better times in this Country and was able to see the Nation prosper. The unfortunate part of that is that I am not quite old enough to say that I lived to the peak of prosperity, no, I lived THROUGH it and am seeing it decay, day by day, much quicker than it grew through the past 30 years.
We are reaching the point where the hand-outs far exceed the ability to support it, and all with the sanction of the so called leaders of this country. My mother died a few years ago, and she was the lucky one – she won’t see it fail as most of us will.

WAKE UP, AMERICA. Or, even the oldest of us will live long enough to see this once fair nation fail, thanks to obama, reid, pelosi, and, yes, McConnell, and the rest of the traitors in government.

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Comment by sumitch November 27, 2013 @ 10:51 am

“Shutting down the government, in my view, is not conservative policy,” McConnell said.

That says his position in just a few words. Cave rather than fight for your convictions.

He’d sure be an easy opponent in a formal debate.

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Comment by ggfilthy November 26, 2013 @ 1:10 pm

The only reason it was a “paid vacation” for fed workers is because the Republican establishment so called conservatives voted to pay them anyway. THESE OLD SCHOOL REPUBLICANS HAVE GOT TO GO! If they don’t… The republican party will NEVER have power again. I’m hearing more and more real conservatives talking third party. Trying to compromise with the regressive lib. socialist dumocrats is nothing more than a give on the conservative side… Letting the socialist agenda march slower…but marching to the same place just the same. We need people like Cruz who stand on the AMERICAN principle… wrong is wrong… and do what is right no matter what the consequences. That is what made this country the greatest on earth. The American people is sick of “strata gee politics” or “political maneuvering”…its all deception! JUST DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND FOLLOW THE CONSITUTION…..IT”S SIMPLE.. YOU CAN’T LOOSE.

McConnell, McCain, Boehner all need to go! We all know that, we are not causing the divide in the party, rather, it is these ignoramuses. I’m hoping that some of you hail from the States these idiots occupy so that you may pass the word on getting them replaced.

I am in a bit of a quandary in our state because we have the likes of Feinstab and Pelooser under the guise of Governor MoonBeam. Won’t change what we have;(

There is a big issue when it comes to electoral votes in states like New York and California. Why prey tell does NY have 31. California is a big state with the most electoral votes in the whole country…..55….and it is America’s Liberal haven. Fat chance that it will ever spin the other way. What a shame that the most Liberal states in the Union have the highest amount of electorals. In my opinon, Texas should have a hec of a lot more. It truly *****!

You are correct, they all need to go! All the RINOs, all the Ruling Elite Establishment Republicans, Elephants? No Donkeys!, or REERENDs for short!

The only amazing thing about this article is that GOPUSA would list it under the category of News! Bobby, this ain’t no news to those of us who have observed Mitch McConnell in action. We knew before he said he would cave in that he would cave in! That’s all he knows how to do. He is no leader at all, he is a bumbling psychopathic wimp! And, no, amirabella, that is not a clinical diagnosis, just my humble opinion!

I know so many long term Republican donors who are now refusing to support the RNC and its henchmen with any funds. We are supporting individual candidates, in and out of state, to try to reclaim our country! Join us! Think for yourself!

Checkout the candidates yourself. Support the ones you believe are most likely to affect your future safety and happiness! The RNC is a joke! I refuse to continue to support the losers it puts forth in any way!

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Comment by sumitch November 27, 2013 @ 2:29 am

I’m with you ptbaa. I came to the same conclusion as you years ago. I don’t support the Republican Party and send no money or lend a hand with anything they ask for. I support and vote for the individual, not the party. I felt I had to vote for McCain even if I didn’t think he was what we needed as a President, but I was sure that Obama wasn’t. I voted for Romney for much the same reason except I think he could have been a good if not great President. He at least has a lifetime of experience in how business and politics works. What we’ve had for nearly five years is an on the job trainee. Sadly, he’s not training for what this country needs.

there’s hardly a day that goes by that I don’t feel that the Republicans think they’ve got the November elections and 1916 sewed up because of Obama’s lousy job and constant lies. I heard a lot of so called experts saying the same thing last year. They were wrong and will be wrong if they don’t quit sitting back waiting for their day to come.

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Comment by ptbaa November 27, 2013 @ 6:51 am

sumitch,

I am sure it was a typo, but, in that typo I think you may have zeroed in on the exact problem with the Ruling Elites Establishment Republicans.

The 1916 election is the only one they are capable of winning and it is the election they keep trying to win. They need to wake up and realize that this is not the united States of America of the pre-World War One generation. They can’t just do nothing to restore our constitutional republic and wait for it to be “their” turn.

The only turn they will ever get is, if you remember the crass old joke, their turn in the barrel.

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Comment by sumitch November 27, 2013 @ 9:32 am

Oooops! I guess I’m living in the past ptbaa.

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Comment by calizuz1 November 27, 2013 @ 9:51 am

@ptbaa and sumitch, I suppose by their standards (the Libs) we as the Conservative majority live in caves. Apparently, the Libs and RINOS feel that Republican Americans have not graduated to the civility and regard that they the Libs have come to know which is the rights as a Sumarian citizen under the watchful eyes of fertility Gods…..LOL

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Comment by poppo November 26, 2013 @ 3:28 pm

A house divided cannot stand. That is the Republican Party.
The Democrats, however, led by the devil himself, manage to lie, cheat, and steal in unison.
They inflict pain on the people and destroy the economy. Then they blame it on the Republicans, who are too busy fighting each other to defend themselves from the real enemy!

The devil has a plan, and he has recruited 80% of the Washington “Elite Ruling Class”. I don’t see any relief until the Lord Jesus Christs returns. Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

( still its not the government’s job to make jobs ) right they only take away jobs with all the dumb stupid regulations that ****** puts on all business people, everything he touches turns to horse dung.

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Comment by sumitch November 27, 2013 @ 9:23 am

But didn’t Obama say we didn’t make that? Why should we be worried about jobs for something we didn’t make?

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Comment by way2cool November 26, 2013 @ 3:39 pm

Response to cgretired: That is really unfortunate – R&D is essential and important work. Too bad ‘our’ government doesn’t see it that way. There are many areas(too numerous to even count) that need some very deep restructing – our day will come.

I’d give up my last shiny dime to see Barry get on an Air Force 1 that didn’t have a few thoughts from R&D behind building it. I wonder how he’d like to sit in the “Beast” without it being up armored and have none of the bullet proof glass.

The reason the original M16 (a real assault rifle Ms. Feinstein, unlike the M15) had the problems with jamming was because McNamara (was his middle name really Strange?) and other Harvard trained R&D engineers didn’t see why Colts put so much money into the breach and bolt, so they did a little cost cutting based on their vast knowledge and experience and cheapened them up a bit. After a few dozen G I’s sold the farm because of their work and the weapons jamming, they went back to Colts and solved the problem by building it the way it was initially designed. They went ahead and sprung for the extra cost of case hardening and chrome plating and viola, no more jams.

I was in Marketing. AKA target zero when it comes time to cut expenses, so I feel your pain.

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Comment by lihartke November 26, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

When is the GOP gonna hand their gavel over to someone that can communicate and is NOT a RINO? We are at a tipping point. Either REPEAL this bill or lose your reason of being a party. Take the STAND YOUR GROUND action (I know republicans are whimps and all but it’s time to LEAD) and use the POWER THE CONSTITUTION GIVES YOU AT EVERY TURN. UNFUND ALL THEIR AGENCIES. REMOVE THEIR budgets.

HOLD YOUR HORES IiHARTKE not all republicans are wimps we do have some fighters but they can’t do it alone got to weed out the old stale apples and get them to retire on their own dime.

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Comment by way2cool November 26, 2013 @ 6:29 pm

I would nominate Trey Gowdy – brilliant, articulate, honest and not afraid to speak up and speak the truth. This is the kind of leader that needs to replace Boehner…

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Comment by ggfilthy November 27, 2013 @ 5:23 am

way2cool! My man…you are so right …If Gowdy got the spot you’d see the regressive lib socialist dumocrats scatter like the cockroaches they are. Oh…wait a tick… that was insensitive of me… I shouldn’t have compared the cockroaches to the regressive libs…I have more respect for the cockroaches… my apologies to all them. Unfortunately Mr. Gowdy is planning on leaving National politics. The country is loosing a GREAT man.

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Comment by calizuz1 November 27, 2013 @ 9:34 am

I really want to share something with you all. I think we really need some change and how we are going to get it is still an illusion to me. I hate to be even a bit negative because we American’s are usually extremely hopeful. I think the consensus on this site is that we all feel that some of our Conservative representatives embody, not a donkey, but rather, a ‘Jacka**.’

A relative sent me a link to a site the other day. We always talk about leaders and what we need to go forward as a country. For you fellows who have been in the military and I don’t know because I had no one in the military growing up, but I feel your pain because I believe you stand for everything that our Country represents. You are trained to think of Country first?

Of late, there are two Generals stepping up to the plate. Their ideas are sooo solid. They stand for most everything I feel is important to this country. The BIG title to their article is
“1913 Worst. Year. Ever. The Federal Reserve is Created. 16th Amendment Reinstates
Income Tax. 17th Amendment Kills Federalism/States Rights. Wilson Inaugurated.”

Some of their ideas:

KEY NATIONAL ISSUES that must be solved if the separate and collective States of The United States of America are to become economically solvent, remain peaceful and nationally secure are:

+The Constitution of the United States as originally established and amended will remain in absolute and total effect.

+ A strong National Defense of well-trained Active Duty, Guard and Reserve Forces maintained with proper equipment that can deter any enemy activism, or fight and win if deterrence fails will be assured by both the House and Senate of the US Congress for the protection of “We the People” and the preservation of the Constitution and the Republic.

+ The United States Government cannot rebound from the man-made economic crises without satisfactory employment for a majority of American citizens. In turn, satisfactory and sustainable employment for American citizens simply cannot be achieved with the excessive tax rates that now exist for US businesses and the American people.

+ The IRS will immediately be abolished and that form of US government taxation will cease and desist. A zero-interest National Debt will be established at the US Treasury and a GDP annual growth limit not to exceed 3% will be tied to the previous year GDP growth. A transition to a “fair or flat” tax must be accomplished as a priority.

+ The Illegal Alien Invasion of the United States will be stopped with a Secured Borders Double Fence on The US Southern Border and more Border Guards stationed on the Northern Border. All US borders will be further controlled and severe penalties (financial and incarceration) for employers who hire illegal aliens.

+ The DHS with functions for national security and FEMA for emergencies have both grown far beyond the intentions of reasonable and responsible leadership control, budgeting, manpower, equipment and facilities.

+ The Department of Energy will be abolished and certain specified oversight functions would be moved to the Department of Commerce.

+ The Department of Education will be abolished and its functions and all funding responsibility will be returned to each individual state, territory and the District of Columbia.

+ The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will be abolished with responsibilities and functions removed to each individual state

+ In addition, selected Agencies will be moved from the National Capitol area and disbursed into the interior for cost-effective and long-term security reasons as well as seeking more diversified hiring of high quality civilian personnel throughout a larger portion of the Nation.

+ The partisan and destructive Democrat Affordable Health Care Plan will be repealed and pre-2009 Medicare Programs will be fully reconstituted.

+ The Executive order that allows unions to exist in government and do collective bargaining in any and all tax-payer funded government jobs will be rescinded

+ The United Nations will be defunded from the excessive monetary proportions US taxpayers have been forced to fund and a strong effort will be made to move this overbearing activity out of the United States.

+ Education, kindergarten through grade twelve, is a fundamental right for American school-age children and is a responsibility of county or city taxpayers to insure funding for that right. Citizen school children in far too many public schools have been denied that fundamental right to an education due to handicaps in classroom and interferences caused by countless non-English speaking children plus overcrowding and scarce tax dollars used to accommodate illegal alien school children.

+ Begin a systematic process to reorganize the Department of Defense into an organization of National Security that can prepare us for today and tomorrow with “forward strategies” that secure America.

If some of you don’t know about this site, I am hoping that some of you here will help support these two great Generals in their efforts to save our Country.
Another article states:

One of the issues that alarms Vallely is the high number of senior officers in the U.S. military who have been fired under the Obama administration, a toll estimated at one officer per week. Indeed, Vallely has been very outspoken on what he calls a “purge” of the U.S. military by the Obama administration – with a stunning nine generals and flag officers relieved of duty this year alone.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/u-s-generals-now-take-action-to-watch-obama/#L0x8TfKKhPQeevSW.99

I read every word of your post – excellent! What you stated would be great to accomplish and perhaps we can feel hopeful that we have ‘Generals and higher ups in the military beginning to rumble’. We need great leaders for us to follow.

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Comment by poppo November 27, 2013 @ 2:05 pm

Again, excellent post. I identify with nearly every word. However, we have a liberal mind-set in this country that has been around 140 years in the making. The principles upon which the Constitution were based were for a government that had some moral fiber and a belief in a higher power. The liberals have been indoctrinating our children since the early 40′s in schools, from kindergarten thru college. Over 90% of college professors and 85% of the ‘media’ are admitted liberals and nearly 100% Democrats. While the Democrats are brainwashing not only our schoolchildren, but the vast majority of citizens whose only exposure to the workings of government is what they get on the network news one or two nights a week plus an occasional dose of late nite comedy. Meanwhile, the Republicans, half of whom are eager to befriend the uninformed by going along with the Democrats are infighting and destroying each others reputation. The last Presidential election was a good example of the one who threw the most mud effectively being the candidate. Then, when our primary winners run against the opposition, they turn into Mr Nice guy and refuse to besmirch even the most radical sins of their opponents.
There is no hope of DC reforming itself. The ruling elite have neither the desire nor the fortitude to make the changes necessary, such as Term Limits. The only goal that the politician is to get re-elected. For that purpose they will lie, cheat, or steal.
The only hope of reform I have seen is the possibility of Mark Levin’s Convention of States – Read “The Liberty Amendments”.
Throughout history, major civilizations have lasted between 200 and 230 years, on average before internal corruption destroys them from within. I am terribly afraid that the US, no longer willing to seek God’s Protection or His Will has outlived its ability to survive. We need to pray and seek His Guidance.

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Comment by poppo November 27, 2013 @ 2:11 pm

One more point. Anyone who disagrees with calizuz1 and his statement “1913 Worst Year Ever”, particularly about the Federal Reserve. I thought I knew about the evils of the FED until I read “The Creature From Jekyll Island” By G. Edward Griffin. I got it from the library and it was a huge book. I took heart as the author said there is a summary at the beginning of each chapter that would basically condense the book. I then proceeded to read EVERY WORD. WOW