DRIVEN: Toyota Camry 2.5V Test Drive Report

The Toyota Camry is a car “enthusiasts” love to hate. It’s an uncle car, big and boring, overpriced and underspecced, they say. Rubbish, some might add. For an online reviewer to say that it’s decent would be akin to running across a firing line. Online? Without the scrutiny of active feedback from you, dear readers, papers and car mags can get away with almost anything.

Anyway, we believe there’s a car for everyone, and one that’s not to your personal taste doesn’t make it a bad car. After drving this XV50 Camry 2.5V for few days, not only am I quite fond of it, I now fully understand why the Camry is such a popular car, the default big sedan that racks up sales Koreans dream about in our part of the world.

First, let’s get some niggles out of the way. There’s no Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) available, even on our range topping RM180,900 2.5V. This is either very stingy or a big oversight on Toyota’s part, especially when the previous Camry had it. Needs to be rectified for the facelift, if not sooner.

Looks wise, I prefer the quiet elegance of the previous model (pre-facelift was even smoother) than the sharper “more dynamic” lines of this Camry. Could be just me, but it looks a little forced. Perhaps they wanted to incorporate “more Lexus” into the image, but those who prioritise eye-catching design won’t be looking this way, not with the Sonata and Optima in town.

The chiselled new face, dominated by that huge chromed grille, is bolder but a bit fussy, and those LED strips below the fog lamps can’t be anything but an afterthought. There’s more adventure then you’d expect from Toyota’s designers though – there’s an arc that rises from the headlamps, diving down to meet the rising belt line for a signature character stroke.

Another unique cue is the way the car’s sides don’t meld into the front and rear surfaces, and are instead “cut off” quite severely. Toyota calls this “aero corner design” and it helps simplify air flow, aiding aerodynamics along with the discreet “aero stabilising fin” behind the wing mirrors and under-floor covers.

Moving inside, I like the simplicity of this new dashboard. Same amount of functions, via less buttons – a completely opposite approach from the Honda Accord.

Another plus point for me is the rich meter panel, now incorporating a fuel-consumption section (needle for average FC, light bar for instantaneous) and a two-tier trip meter. When the latter shows average FC and range, I rarely need to jog it via the steering buttons. And like most new cars, an ECO light is included to coach your right foot.

It has to be said though that the more spartan feel (“feel” because there are no less functions than before) and plain black plastic on the centre stack do little to add to the impression of luxury, something that the previous car did better. Points are clawed back with the stitched dashboard, stereo knobs with fine cut surfacing and a richly-lined handphone slot below the AC panel.

If wood is a must, then they’ve done all they can to make the cabin look “younger” compared to the previous Camry and the Nissan Teana. The black-beige colour combo is right for me, especially in a car like this. The lighter hue provides an expansive feel, while the contrasting black (dashboard, steering, door caps) adds dynamism. Better than the Teana’s different shades of beige theme, I think.

Let’s not forget the Camry specials. Things like a powered rear blind, manual rear window blinds and shoulder switches give the Camry a touch of limo appeal. The latter is located on the side of the front passenger seat, allowing the driver to adjust that seat electrically without bending over and stretching. Ferrying the family over the weekend, I used it often.

Speaking of limo appeal, rear occupants can really sit back and relax, like a boss. Besides the features above, the Camry’s front passenger headrest can be folded down for a better view.

The rear bench seating position is good (base not too low, seat back angle not too reclined) and there’s plenty of knee and legroom, more than before thanks to reshaped front seat backs and centre console, which houses air vents. The Camry’s exterior dimensions, 2,775 mm wheelbase included, are unchanged, but packaging has been improved to realise better cabin space.

Kit wise, our 2.5V came with niceties like HID projectors (across the range), eight-way powered seats with electric lumbar for the driver, touch-screen DVD-AVN system with USB, AUX, Bluetooth and reverse camera, front and side airbags, plus keyless entry with push start button.

Good stuff, but for the money, I would have liked an anti-glare rear view mirror (current one is a thin, cheap looking unit) and wing mirrors that auto fold along with the keyless entry. There’s also no auto headlamps and wipers.

Much has been said about the rise of the Koreans, who are doing a great job, but this new Camry is proof (or rather reminder) that Toyota really knows how to make a big sedan work. No edgy design or fancy glass roof here, just a very comfortable and effortless cruiser.

The 2AR-FE 2.5-litre engine (Dual VVTi, 181 PS, 231 Nm) is very well insulated and smooth revving, and the way it picks up speed with that strong mid range is impressive.

Same goes for the silky six-speed auto gearbox, which is a good balance between smoothness and speed – changing gears is not so sharp till you feel it, but it does not overlap and slur its way around either. Judgement and perception is very good, which is why I never felt the need to use manual mode.

There’s a slickness and effortlessness to this drivetrain that’s missing in say, a Hyundai Sonata, which is more rough around the edges, and the hushed way the Camry goes about its business should appeal to more in this segment than charismatic nemesis Honda Accord.

The Camry is a smooth operator, which is why I was surprised at the higher than expected vibration at idle, which isn’t in character. Could be an isolated case, but even if not, I reckon that it’s not something that many would notice, only because we’re serial testers.

Some might say that the Camry has always been smooth. True, but it has never been this competent when hustled. The big Toyota is still not a driver’s car, or even as nice to drive hard down a B-road than an Accord, but it doesn’t feel as uncomfortable as before should you insist.

The steering has surprising weight to it, too. Not much feel, but its precision and weight alone makes the Camry a sharper tool than before. Trunk road driving is not a nightmare as many keen drivers would expect – tyres squeal very early on, and there’s quite a bit of roll, but body control is decent.

Ride comfort is good, and the primary high-speed ride isn’t disconcertingly floaty. Road and wind noise are very well insulated, adding to the XV50’s mile munching cruiser appeal. The Camry has always been a smooth operator, but this time around, the dynamics have caught up a little.

Living with it for a few days, I can understand why the Camry is so popular with the conservative buyer. It’s not the most exciting player around (far from it), there are spec (too low) and price (too high) issues, and there’s that image problem with younger folks; but Toyota understands what the bulk of D-segment buyers want, and executes the plan well, on the 2.5V at least.

Of course, there’s also the strong resale value and service network the brand commands, things that are high up the priority list of many car buyers.

Danny Tan loves driving as much as he loves a certain herbal meat soup, and sweet engine music as much as drum beats. He has been in the auto industry since 2006, previously filling the pages of two motoring magazines before joining this website. Enjoys detailing the experience more than the technical details.

Passat is overpriced & also ugly. Both cars in same category, how can you say this Camry 2.5 is Passat price range, VW is not premium car, VW is people’s car too, only stupid people think that VW is expensive car.

You must be joking. If Passat is overpriced, then what is the Camry?! The Camry is more expensive than the Passat by 10K, but has fewer safety features, lower tech across the board has poorer fuel economy, and is slower in acceleration despite having a considerably bigger engine. And it is easily the ugliest and poorest designed D class car in the entire Malaysian market. And to the other person, the Passat’s dashboard does not rattle…in fact build quality greatly exceeds Japanese cars and the styling is much more classy, well thought out and understatedly elegant. Only those with tastes leaning towards yellow tints in their hair, and neon lighting under their cars, would think that the monstrosity that passes for the Camry looks better than the Passat…

– The 2nd value for T is better than VW!
– The uncle perceived the status of the T car is higher than VW.
– The T brand is well established, especially Camry in the market.
– For car, status is not necessary associated with the latest tech for engine, tech or features offer by the car!

You dare to buy from a company that purposely omits a basic safety feature just to save costs and reap higher profits at the expense of endangering your life? Today’s Camry buyers are all informed buyers and no more the Ah Pek. The newer generation and the Y Generation know about and appreciate safety features such as ESP, ABS, VSC etc etc. These are all basic features that save lives. What happens when the 2018 Camry comes with no seat belts (just to save costs), will you buy it? Sometimes, its not all about resale value and branding, its about principles. If a company has no principles and cut costs at the expense of your life, do you want to trust that company?

No, I wouldn’t buy the Camry, either. Yes, the Passat is a touch down on power (160PS versus 181 for the Toyota) but it has more torque (250Nm, 19Nm more than the Camry), more of the time. It should also be more economical, thanks to the seven-speed DSG, rather than a six-speed auto. It’s better looking, both inside and out, better built and has more kit.

@Jonathan Lee. You can’t just look at the number of speed in a car. If everyone think like you, we will see 10 speed cars on our road today. You can watch a very good explanation here http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=relmfu&v=bc5wIKGnC0k. I also don’t think Passat is qualified to be a better looking car than Camry. Both are equally Uncle for me. In fact I think Passat looks much more Uncle to me, IMO. DSG problem? Google will come out pages and pages of DSG issues plus the recent recall. You can’t deny that no doubt torque are higher in Passat and give you a good acceleration feel but being an Uncle car, Camry took a good route of giving big NA engine which is far smoother, quieter and easy maintenance..

It is generally accepted that the higher the top ratio of a transmission, the more efficiently the car can use its fuel. To ensure a car doesn’t end up being sluggish because of its high gearing, new transmissions have more speeds than ever before (ZF’s eight-speed auto, for example, is currently used by many manufacturers such as BMW, Audi and Jaguar). It’s the same reason mountain bikes have 21 gears: to efficiently manage power so that you use as little energy as possible. The only problem with car transmissions is that the more ratios you add, the heavier and more complicated the transmission becomes, which is why you don’t see cars with 10-speed gearboxes yet.

As for DSGs, yes, there are some problems because of the complexity, but I think the benefits (faster shift times most of the time, higher efficiency compared to automatic gearboxes) outweigh some of the drawbacks. Besides, if it were as unreliable as you allude it to be, I don’t think VW, a manufacturer renowned for its quality and reliability, would have stuck with the DSG for so long.

P.S. I think a lot of the problems stem from owners putting standard automatic transmission fluid (ATF) into their DSGs, when they in fact require specialised fluids. It’s the same thing that afflicted owners of Honda Jazzes and older Cities that have CVTs. Generally, the better you treat them, the longer these transmissions last.

Also, you pointed me to a video about a Nissan GT-R, which has more than twice (TWICE!) the torque of a Passat (588Nm vs. 250Nm). The higher the torque, the less it needs to rely on multiple gear ratios (which is also why electric cars usually have a single-speed gearbox). Lowering the amount of gear ratios reduces the size, weight and complexity of the gearbox, which is a better fit for a sports car.

No point all the sweet comments. There is no ESP on this car and when this leads to an accident and you lose your limbs or become a vegetable, then you will realise that when you pay premium money, you should get all your basic safety features. Even cheap cars like the Hyundai Elantra has ESP, how come this RM180,000 car does not have? Is your life really worththat much to you?

camry 2.0 retains its value better than 2.4. same goes to honda accord 2.0 has better resale value than 2.4.

the reason – many ppl who can afford road tax of 2.4 and its fuel consumption could afford to buy new and they prefer it that way. very few will buy used. same goes to merc S class, bmw 7 series, volvo s80, jaguar and range rover – the depreciation is just awesome!

I would like to tender an apology to all those I have offended. I have been a salesman for Toyota for many years now. Over the years, it has been a breeze but lately, our sales haveslumpped because of strong competition from the newer Civic and Elantra. Out bread and butter Vios also is losing market share so, we were hoping the Camry would be our golden egg. The sales team were disappointed with the omission of VSC and sales of the Camry has been so so bad. I do apologise if I bad mouth the Koreans and VW but, just like yourself, we also cari makan. Please forgive me everyone for all my negative statements.

The looks is actually quite decent IMHO and the interior is also good but like what Paul and Danny pointed out…Toyota Malaysia made a fatal mistake taking out the Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) from the Camry. I even twittered Toyota Malaysia to protest against them removing this feature. Speaking about safety, if Toyota it known to build good family cars then why so few airbags? How about giving 6 airbags for the 2.5 and 4 airbags for the 2.0 cars?

They could have also added auto wipers and lights…I mean c’mon how much does it cost to add that in?

i think what Toyota wants to show is that..
VSC is just a sales/marketing gimmick..
u can see its proof what..

also during their pre launching track day see how the Camry 2.5L performed on sepang F1..
awesome..
no BMW/Merc/Audi or other Japan brand dare enough to let people swing around huge car with 2.5L CC without VSC!

and it shows that the camry is far superior than any other brand regardless luxury or with high tech or with VSC..

I am very happy to know that Camry did not sell as good as they used to, they even have to give discount to promote the sale. its time for us as a buyer to show this $ sucking & profit ripping company take advantage of Malaysian.

Paul, we must do our part to keep teaching Malaysian buyers about the importance of basic safety feature.

Another stupid move is the single airbag of most basic model of Almera by ETCM.

Not necessary more airbag is safer than less airbag. Airbag is just the last level of protection, driver need to determine safety when driving. You can see nowadays, car accident was caused by for example over speed (helpless even with more airbags), no safety belt (propose to the car maker to have airbags on the windscreen, else helpless), over loaded (imagine if all airbags in actions and taking the space from passengers) etc.

The 7 speed DSG is incredible – easily the best transmission I have ever driven. It shifts faster and better than a manual, and plenty of power is always available unlike conventional autos where there is always wrong ratios and lag. The turbo charged direct injected engine is far more responsive than any NA car in its class that I have driven.

Car get good resale value bcoz it give the owner less problem not just pluck the price from sky. Do some studies why all continental (incl VW)car have low resale value. Ask those used car dealer why they refuse to accept the conti car, perhaps you will know the passat still the right choice. BTW, Camry is the best selling car in the world. Where is Passat raking?

The toyota has good resale value becaue (1) it is reliable. But this reliability is due to the fact that it is loaded with old tech parts and lacking in safety and efficiency systems that are common in cars used in more advanced countries (2) because there are legions of “uncles” who follow the ignorant recommendations or example of other “uncles” instead of doing proper research causing them to fail to realise that they are paying excessive prices for what is a very basic car that should cost cheaper for what little they give. SO if that is a benefit to you, go ahead and buy more Camrys…

I personally feels that car with older parts are more reliable than newer one with tons of electronic gadgets, like those conti. My friends drove Audi, BM and Porsche and they have lots of electronic problem every now and then. I’m thinking of getting VW, but need a second thought

http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2012/02/27/world-2011-updated-toyota-corolla-ahead-of-ford-focus-and-vw-golf/
By a big margin the VW Golf/Jetta (it’s idiotic to split them up, just because they carry a different name) wins. Then the Corolla, Focus, Polo, Fiesta, Elantra, Wuling, Cruze, … Camry is quite far behind, the Passat outsells it.

well it still retain the wood plastics all over the internal, that is nice. looks boxy but similar to lexus, nice. yea i think i will get this car as it suits my uncle status. no vsc is not a problem becoz uncle dont drive fast. thank you toyota. luv u toyota..

Danny I smile when I read your review because it seem that Camry “forcing” it’s way out to be the top D-segment! But at the same time “cutting budget” on safety issues + installing accessory odd ward “DRL” coz trend are like that currently & hopefully M’sian buyers still prefer them. Well in any business is the same, if their “market share” didn’t feel any threat “company” don’t bother upgrade or adding values to their product.
I wish buyers will cooperate and choose wisely :) cheers everybody.
Let see how this Camry perform in 3 yrs time before facelift.

The only reason why yhou have not seen more VWs is because you are blinded by your unnatural love fort Toyotas. There are DSG-equipped VWs everywhere on the roads nowadays…face it, the days of Toyyota and Honda’s supremacy are nearly over. 10 years from now, it is going to be VWs which will fetch higher resale values…

Older engine not means it bad. Only those car have engine imperfection need to change the engine regularly to survive. Car should not judge by spec alone. Reliability is more important consideration. Some car give u high spec but always breakdown or malfunction, end up
spend more times visiting service centre rather enjoying the ride.

With this kind of “logic”, perhaps we should be still driving the Model T ford?!!! Friend, you are spouting nonsense. Every advance that the Toyota is itself using now as an accepted feature was once pioneered by some other car manufacturer. Every progressive manufacturer will improve their car range to improve their product so as not to lose market share.

What UMW are doing is overcharging you for an underspecced car and you are cheering them on…only in Malaysia, Toyota need not respond to market pressure and can continue to give you less and still charge you more for essentially the same car with less features and a far uglier body…thanks to people like you…

Do you buy a car for its resale value primarily or to use it and enjoy it? Your comments are truly warped. Make inane insults all you like – the Sonata owner will at least enjoy the greater features and far more pleasant looks of his car for the half a decade or more while you drive the ugliest D class car in Malaysia while muttering under your breath about the wonderful resale value you will get when you sell your car…

Why would they? Its a fair article and it clearly spells out the strengths and weaknesses of the Camry. Besides comfort, refinement, resale value and service network, there is little else going for the Camry. Danny has clearly mentioned the lack of safety features, low specs and high pricing as its drawbacks. He has also said that this Camry in particular caters for the ‘uncles’ out there. Thats why the Camry sells despite all its drawbacks. And mind you this is the 2.5V model which he is comparing. What would he say for the 2.0L model i wonder. Hmmm

Do you notice there is a gap at the passenger side dashboard where you need to open the door to see it. It’s at the black plastic thingy. Seems like all the new Camry that I check have that gap!! Another imperfection add on.

the new camry design itself already looks fugly without the ridiculous bodykit. but now with the kits, it looks like a joke. 180k better spend it elsewhere. lots of choices now, so UMW better buckle up.

Toyota make good car but UMW screw it all.
Check US version, or even Thai version(no need go so far) is still better.
You know why? G need $ mah.
Come on, it is damn bloody obvious, any lubang can Dig $ without effort, you see their footprint!

Not the government. If it were them, what about Passat? Better value for money. Mondeo? Better value for money. Every single other car has better value for money. The Camry is only so overpriced because it means Toyota/UMW can earn more money, and there are enough fools willing to pay for it.

A Ferrari is more unreliable compared to a Honda. But have you ever met anybody who would rather drive a Honda than a Ferrari? Why? The desirabiltiy and worth of a car is not all about reliability and not breaking down. Try to learn something from other people here instrad of being a Toyita fanatic.

AlexLHThis, there is no such thing as Korean Lovers. It’s people money & to buy what they want. These people has taste, knowing what they want & at least they are not blind like some T & H loyalist. I drive conti but I’m not hating Koreans. It’s actually the T & H lovers who can’t accept the fact that the Kimchi is rising. get a life.

It was supposed to be a joke……it’s not that I hate Korean cars, The only thing I don’t get is why are there so many supporters of Koreans, and haters of Japaneses(In the comments at least) and yet there are more new Japanese cars being registered each month than Korean cars, what are these people actually driving?
PS: You can actually reply on my comment

There are more supporters because many of those who frequent online content and automotive blogs are also those who understand cars better. They also have more tools and resources at their disposal to compare between different makes and know whats out there. Yes Toyota enjoys good sales because of brand loyalty and resale value. Toyota’s are also known for their reliability. Its this loyalty which is keeping the numbers going. For instance, ask any lay person which is better HP laptops or Lenovo and the answer would be HP. But how many of those who choose HP actually know that HP was detroned by Lenovo from the global No 1 spot? Again, knowledge. 5 years ago, how many ppl actually supported Korean? Why is there a sudden rise? Simple because the Koreans are offering better designs, top class specs, good engines and a more affordable pricing. Yes they still lack in refinement and overall comfort but do keep in mind that Kia for instance produced its first car in 1974 while Toyota launched their first in 1936. That’s almost a 40 year headstart for Toyota. But today in 2012 can anybody say that the Koreans are 40 years behind Toyota?

Frankly, I think Alex made a valid point. Japanese cars still sell better coz those who buy them don’t give 2 hoots about how nice the Conti or Korean looks. All they care about is reliability and resale value. Cyber dwellers over here who support designs and little of others are probably in the “saving to buy my beautiful ride” category, in other words, the young below 30s.

There are some Toyota that I like but Camry or Altis is not in that list. I’m more a Honda person for mainstream cars but now, I’m on conti and will stick to it.

BTW, HP is better than Lenovo (IBM Thinkpad)??? Puhleez… Thinkpads were so well constructed and built to last, hence their high costs. Pretty much one of the best made laptops. Lenovo might have diluted the IBM brand a bit but they still maintain the built quality. HP is pretty crappy in comparison, even against Dell. Wrong comparison dude.

I think you need to read my post again. I didnt say Lenovo was better than HP did i? All i asked was how many ppl actually know that Lenovo dethroned HP this year. I was refering to actual product knowledge as compared to blind brand loyalty.

Dont play play with korean stuffs.
Very soon they will overtake apple.
They are beating sony, panasonic, sharp flat in TV industrial.
Gangnam style raise global tsunami, japanese were no where seen.
Fundamental issue is jap is very much at comfort zone, korean is not.
My fellow medical colleagues in korea waked up@5am, finished work to home past mid-night at most working day, what do you expect the outcome of the product under such tremendous work determinant?
They will ultimately lead/dominate in most arena they venture in, no doubt about it.
Look back our lovely M, I feel so sore….

In the world of consumer ,the defining factors is what the consumer wants. The Japanese will loose their grip soon, I like your analysis Cybermaster98 ,don’t know much about Comp, and you gave so much info that is hard to go against your thesis. Sadly Toyota is a manufacturer that strife for the top spot in sales number(along with VW), so basically they sell cars for what the majority wants, and the car above is what the majority wants. Yes, Its a boring world, but until the uncle generation is replaced by the gangnam-style generation, only than can we see Toyota s rise in design, like in the 90s. have you all forgotten Supras and AE86, even the 90s Camry at their time they were exciting design. Let me make this clear, I do not dislike Korean cars, I like them actually, especially KIAs (not a fan of fluidic design).I hope this is Toyotas problem, bcuz if you say that all Japanese cars are boring, ill happily Disagree
Anyway, if we are all malaysian, let us not forget the real crap in the automotive industry, Proton started a decade after Kia

Proton Waja to me is anytime better than Kia Spectra or Hyundai whatever being sold back then. Today, Koreans not only leapfrogged Proton, but also the Japanese. They hired Peter Schreyer and many other talents and voila, they’re making the Japanese look like dinosaur.

In F1 also same thing. Red Bull Racing is just a seven-year-old energy drink team with no heritage like Ferrari and McLaren who’ve raced for decades, but look who’s doing 1-2 pwnage in yesterday’s Korean GP? It’s because of the genius Adrian Newey, whom the Ferrari and McLaren can never buy with money, at least for now.

Today we talk about Koreans’ rising, but the next 3,4 years, we could be talking about Chinese rising. Top Gear covered about it very nicely.

nobody is a Japanese hater. we hate money milking company like toyota and honda that doesnt give us the full value of our money. I love Mazda’s car, they look great and have all the goodies inside. comparing a CRV and a CX-5. CX-5 anytime anyday.

Its not Toyota or Honda to be Blamed.. It’s UMW if it’s Toyota…. Do u know the Camry comes standard with 10 air bags throughout the variants in US , Australia , China and HK and Taiwan, etc:. ONLY in Malaysia and Thailand the company who brings Toyota in, they are te one responsible for stripping the safety features and great specs Toyota originally offers in the Camry… Don’t blame Toyota . Blame UMW..

Kimchi is lucky with the help of the low Won currency. The “H” engine is from Mitsubishi, yes the partner from Proton Inspira! It come with sunroof which hardly use in M’sia climate, perhaps it generate more heat to the cabin. Create potential water leaking to the cabin thru the sunroof rubber seal after few years.

Actually, I am only interested to buy pre-owned kimchis ~1 year old 15,000kms or so. Knowing that it would have depreciated at least 50%, I just want to make it go lower at an accelerated rate. Judging from the no. of people getting rid of their rotten cabbage within a year, I fell that I have overachieved my KPI

Mr. Kong. Have you sat inside the Jetta before? Have you.. touched the material in the Jetta before and have you driven it before? Pls do not make a comparison between the Jetta and the Camry. In my opinion, the only thing that is good about the Jetta is the Engine and the gearbox.

The Passat or the Teana on the other hand can be a fairly good comparison.

I do agree the Camry is no cheap car. But you really really got to sit inside the Camry, drive it on a highway..high speed or low speed or even bumpy roads. even with its specs being stripped down so much by UMW. It is the most comfortable and silent ride among its class. the interior cabin space is a wow. Being 180cm tall. I can stretch my legs infront and still have space for a grown up behind.

You guys should really see it to believe it. Im not saying whose better and what not. Keep an open mind. Try out all the cars so that we may comment fairly here.

btw.. Teana should be the closest rival to Camry. The Japanese are still the more reliable bunch.

Simple. The Camry was designed for comfort while VW’s are designed for handling. You can’t compare interior space of a Camry with the Jetta as both are in different classes. Have you sat in a Sonata or Optima yourself? The Camry has got a total internal legroom of 80.5 inches while the Optima and Sonata are a close 2nd at 80.1 inches. But yes, the Jetta is much better spec’d and has much better driving dynamics than the Camry for sure. Heck, even the Koreans have much better spec and driving dynamics although they lack in comfort and power train refinement.

Only “known” to you…the problems have been mainlyironed out and are exaggerated given the millions of DSGs made so far by VW – the 7 speed DSG makes the auto in the toyota feel like you are driving a second rate vehicle…

Smile, I drive a VW Jetta. I test drove Camry before. No doubt it is a car with a huge living room. Other than that… out-dated look and old technology. Yawning while typing about your beloved Camry. Sorrie…

Toyota/Honda can afford to skimp on equipment because they are leading the market-hence taking everyone for a ride. The Kia K5 has most amount of accessories for the money. I think the next version of the K5/Optima will be either on par or slightly below the T/H brands but with better equipment. Then we will see how desperate T/H will be and will increase the equipment list.

BTW, I know Honda did increase equipment list for the Accord in 2000 3 years after the Asian economic crisis. That 2.0 Accord came with parking pole, bodylex massager, wood trim, fog lights, auto rear blinds. 2 years after economic is slightly better, same car no equipment but cost the same.

Great engine, great gearbox, but, spoiled by staid looks, lacklusture driving dynamics compared to, say a Mazda 6, and nowhere near as comfy as a Citroen C5.

And don’t get me started on the interior and exterior. When i saw and felt it, suddenly the previous XV40 Camry felt leagues ahead of the new one.

And 180k for what’s essentially a car with a new gearbox, and drives and rides worse than the old one, and worst of all, lacking in kit and stability control? You know better. This Camry, in my personal opinion, has gone from the top of the list, right down to the bottom heap of the list as the worst family sedan on sale right now.

I’ve never test driven the C5, but no experienced car buyer in their right mind would buy a Citroen regardless if its comfortable and well equipped. It’s definitely one of the most unreliable in our local Market and the resale value of this car … gosh… at least 50% depreciation once the car rolls out of the collection bay and in to the road.

I do Agree with you, the ride comfort really sucks – damn bumpy, the previous one was much more comfortable. I got the 2.5v, the current version really sucks, I’m very regret to have bought this, the built quality really sucks – the leather seats are not done properly with wrinkle all over the place, i claim for warranty, but no reply from Toyota. For those who can afford a little extra, may consider a conti car like the passat cc, or the bmw 320, a4 or C200.

That is exactly how i felt after i got the 2.5V after listening to my neighbour brag about his camry.

But to my surprise, the car suffers from poor ride and handling. Reduced sound insulation resulting in very loud windnoise during highway speeds of 110kmh and above. Poor quality plastic dashboard materials and so so comfort from the average quaility leather seats. The previous version was sooooooooo much better!!!

I am selling mine off after 2 months+ for 148k probably at a loss of around RM35k. Mileage only 7500km. Used car dealers are slashing 50k off my new car price….offered RM130k only. I guess my resale value hailat already. But no choice can’t stand driving in this car anymore!

the wind noise is unacceptable at highway speeds. at 1st i thought it was the door rubber seals. so i complained to SC and they changed it for me.
still no difference after that…either its a design flaw or simply poor QC… or cheap soundproofing.
I travel outstation every weekend and cannot bear the noise. its no difference than driving a saga/myvi on the highway.
the camry is really overrated.

Regardless of how boring the design may be, at the end of the day, it is still the most comfortable D-Segmant car… Accord may be more dynamic, but it is still bumpy going through rough roads. Lets not even compare the Camry’s comfort level with the Optima or Sonata.. It’s almost abcent in these two cars. I agree the styling of both Optima and Sonata’s interior is more modern, but have you touched and fiddled with the buttons and the handles in those cars? It seems very toy-ish and flimsy.. It doesn’t feel very premium compared to the boring Camry’s interior but with tight and tough fitted buttons and handles.

The exterior is very subjective. I happen to feel the Camry has a very executive presence. The sonata, accord and teana all has the executive presence too. But the Optima, regardless of it being the best looking in its class, it doesn’t carry the “status” that the rest has. An uncle who’s a business man, would most probably not want to be seen driving an Optima.

Again, I agree that UMW is shit when it comes to fitting the new Camry with good specs and features. The safety level is also tuned down drastically thanks to damn UMW. We can’t blame Toyota, but we should throw the negative comments at UMW because it is them, who cuts cost and charges premium price.

Now the Passat. Yes, it is a better buy compared to the Camry 2.5V simply because of its specs the Passat offers. But then again, the Passat isn’t as big and spacious as the Camry and the Passat tend to seem more like a young executive car, rather than a matured executive car. Style wise of the Passat, I honestly prefer the Camry’s exterior. There’s just more luxurious-ness and presence. But the interior dashboard of the Passat is of course, young looking and sleek. The Camry’s dashboard is indeed sleek, just missing the edge that the Passat has.

In conclusion, I believe that the Camry will continue to dominate the D-Segmant market both in Malaysia and internationally. Regardless of it being over priced and under spec-ed. (only in Malaysia). Again, it’s still the most well fitted(tight fittings and firm comfortable materials) and the most comfortable and spacious in its class.

I have a couple of American friends who rant about their Camry looking too childish (exterior wise)to be an executive sedan. They complaint that it looked more like a sporty car than an executive sedan.(though it performs like an executive sedan). But over here, most Paul Tan readers claim that our Camry is too boring and uncle like and prefers the US version Camry. So I conclude that as humans, we want what we don’t have. Hahaha..

I’m in my mid 20’s. and I’m one of few youngsters who prefer comfort drives than sporty drive. So if I had to choose based on ranking, this is my ranking.

1. Camry (because of utter silence in cabin and comfort drive though interior design may be too matured for me but a strong exterior presence. Not forgetting its ultra reliability that Camry’s has always held)
2. Passat (because of sporty tuning and good specs and safety features but I don’t like the exterior and its lack of reliability due to turbo engines)
3. Sonata (because of exterior styling and comfortable seats and powerful pick up. But I don’t like the flimsy buttons and bumpy ride.)
4. Optima (because of exterior styling and an almost full luxury cars’ specs fitted and of course it’s safety features. But I hate the road noise and bumpy ride! Seriously, it’s the worst in class when it comes to road noise)
5. Accord ( I actually won’t want this at all but I gotta put it at #5 for the sake of it)
6. Teanna ( though I like the specs and comfort this car offers, the exterior and interior is just toooooooooo matured. I won’t wanna be seen in a Teanna as people may assume that I borrowed my grand father’s car out)

Hahaha.. Well, these are just my opinion. Don’t be too serious lah… We need to put ourselves in a car buyers’ point of view and not just comment and bash based on pictures and other people’s negative comment.

I would choose Teana over Sonata and Optima simply because Nissan is second best in comfort, reliability and luxurious interior. (I do hope they would choose a better interior color tone). Talking about the looks of a car. It is all too simple for a car manufacturer to come up with world class, award winning design but the reliability, engine and comfort ride takes years and years of research.

They may not be the best design to all. The after sales of Toyota is world class. I have been in a Camry and I have seen what they are capable of in the service center.

Would you rather drive a car for 6 to 7 years without major problems or 3 to 4 years with major problems.

Even our German “favourite” VW is known for their world renowned DSG but still many complaints from drivers and Audi with their turbocharger issues.

How do you know there will be major problems after 3-4 years? Its pointless using previous generations to benchmark the current Koreans. Yes the Koreans arent known for their reliablity and they have themselves to blame. But would it be fair to brand the current Korean models as ‘unreliable’ simply based on past history? Ive had a Korean in my home since 2006 and its still running smooth till this day without any major problems. Ive also owned a Toyota for 9 years and fully serviced it at Toyota so im in a very good position to compare. And trust me, Toyota’s after sales service although better and with a bigger network but still has its own horror stories. And dont get me started on the warranty claims. Toyota is almost unrelenting when it comes to this and yes ive had to endure mechanical issues on my Toyota which is why im very aquainted with this. Its much easier to get a part changed under warranty with Kia for instance. They do it without a hassle. And their current class leading 5 year full manufacturer warranty with unlimited mileage does go a long way in improving its brand image. Lets give them a chance shall we?

You are lucky one. If you have friend from Cameron Highlands (CH), ask them which car is the most reliable up there, as CH renowned with the harsh driving condition. Strange, hard see and Korean car there. Koreans van cease operation there…

disagree with the executive appearance. camry looks like it has lost its identity. its a car for the mature/older audience, but yet toyota seems to be trying too hard to make it sporty. ends up with a mixed bag that is neither here nor there. if a businessman uncle wants status and looks, he would not be driving these cars anyway, he would be going at continentals, which looks way better, drives better, rides better (albeit a heftier pricetag)

hello…if you think Teana is too mature for a mid 20s guy like you, then the same goes for Camry. I will assume you are borrowing your great grandfather’s car. No offence here, but I think your comparison is mostly based on what people review and not from your own driving experience. I have driven Optima before, I don’t have any issue with road noise and the bumpy rides, in fact, my 2 year old kid were snoozing his way back to Ipoh from penang. I have test drive the Camry as well and I do agree it is not bad but not as great as what you claim and in term of its design, it is really an uncle design. I wonder if Toyota asked a 70 years old retired designer to become their chief designer or consultant.

If you think the Teana looks like your grandfathers car then the fugly camry must be your great great great great great great grandfathers car. You are easily fooled by the cheapo bodykit installed in Brothers.

I forgot to mention about mazda 6! Haha.. I think it’s the best of both worlds. Good looking exterior and interior with well fitted specs and safety features. The ride however is too firm for me.. Though its very sporty to drive. Mazda has always been good with its interior quality. But too bad Bermaz just had to ruin my experience of owning the Mazda 3. My boy friend drives a Mazda 3 but the after sales and service by Bermaz is horrible!… I believe that could actually decide the sale of a Mazda car if a buyer would go for great after sales and service. Because seriously, Bermaz is doing a bad job with after sales and service…

The Camry certainly is a car meant for passengers and not for drivers. It’s definitely the most comfortable D segment car as well. But is better comfort worth more than your life? Terrible safety features for the asking price. Even if I were to buy this car as a company limousine, I’d have to think about adding more airbags and aftermarket safety equipment or live with ferrying my clients around in this unsafe vehicle.

Buyers who needs to ferry their family around often should really consider which is more important to them? A car with a strong brand image and resale value but poor levels of safety or a car with very good levels of safety built in but so-so everything else. Again, at the asking price, there are much safer options available.

I first saw this model in Thailand during the Bangkok Motor Show earlier this year. My first impression on the interior dashboard and console (in terms of quality n design) was that the buyers are being shortchanged, IMHO. Its 2.0 specs is even a bigger joke, unless we still live in primitive age. Haha

Each cars has their own characteristics..just an honestly opinion, Toyota quite loss a little when comes to new idea of designs. I have test drove the camry, the noise insulation is superb..especially during rough surfaces, i own a sonata which has suspension softer ride, Volkswagen passat/jetta i don’t have one, but fren owns one, firmer ride than sonata and camry perhaps accord too.

Its not because we have issues with jap cars or a big fan of korean cars. I personally is a big fan of Mazda 6.

The problem is due to the likes of Maserati, Sam Loo and Kiasu no kiasi. Whenever there is a post on korean car, expect imbeciles comments from them over and over again, even though that exact same point has been discussed over and over again in many previous posts. Some even call korean car lovers retards ( maserati anyone? ). Not to forget Sam’s antics about RV in not only on posts about korean cars, but every posts on PT.com.

So its not like we have a problem with jap cars. Its their fanboys that we have an issue with.

No, the rules here is that you should talk sense. Nobody is abusing Japanese cars in general – just pointing out what a bad deal and how ugly the new Camry is, and how overpriced it is compared to the passat which is a far better car for a lower price.

I’m not sure about the so-called “youngsters” out there but for a 22-year-old white collar, I’d choose the Camry over its rivals in the market.

Despite the slightly higher price(a lil surpirising, given that the specs did not improve much), and the much-disappointing disappearance of the VSC, I find the Camry fits into my likings more than the rest, especially the Koreans. Not trying to attack them in purpose though.

Here’s why.
1. The Sonata and Optima are just too much of a looker! They’re too eye-catching that it’s hard to remain subtle and low-profile. :P

2. Maintenance matters a lot for me. Be it the cost or the availability of the service centres, Toyota still has the edge over its rivals I believe.

3. Despite the never-ending compliments of the Korean’s improvement in reliability, I’m still a bit doubtful(kia si mentality) and would still opt for Toyota as it has long been known to make cars that even a bomb can’t kill (Top Gear anyone?).

So, as an uncle, or an uncle-minded youngster, my money will still go to the Camry if, I said “if”, I’m buying a midsize sedan.

Kiddo, I think we are both on the same page. Literally. We are one of few people in our 20’s who would rather go for reliability and comfort than stunning exterior looks. I want a car that gives me peace at mind. Not a car that worries me on when its gonna break down..

The Koreans arent all about looks. In fact, looks are subjective. So kinda pointless talking bout looks.

So since you brought up the issue of criteria, do allow me to share some plus points of the Optima K5 for instance:

1) More modern design
2) Equally roomy interior including ample rear legroom. Did you know that a full sized adult in the front passenger seat can actually stretch out his right leg fully without pushing his seat back much?
3) Top class specs
4) Excellent array of safety features
5) Higher safety ratings by the American NHTSA compared to the even the US version Camry and BMW 5 Series. (check frontal & rollover impact)
6) 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturer warranty (not extended warranty)
7) More horsepower & torque output (2.0L)
8) Much improved interior & build quality with less cheapo plastics
9) Better ride and handling although lacking in comfort no thanks to the 18 inch rims
10) Much improved after sales service and warranty claims (based on actual experience)
11) Quite economical. 780km actual mileage on 80L of fuel (80% highway at 160-170kmph).
12) More affordable pricing (14K cheaper than Camry 2.0G and 38K cheaper than 2.5V)

But as with all cars, it has its own drawbacks:

1) Engine & gearbox is a step lower in refinement compared to the Camry 2.5V
2) Decreased comfort partially due to the 18 inch rims and sports suspension
3) Increased tyre noise thanks to the crappy Nexen tyres
4) Service network needs to be expanded more
5) Future resale value might not be as good as Toyota although much improved compared to earlier versions

So lets not just focus on design when there are many other factors to look at. So considering both the strengths and weaknesses, the Optima seems a reasonable buy for the price you’re paying. But it isnt the best out there for sure. But based on the improvements shown by the Koreans in recent years, im quite sure well be seeing some very interesting vehicles from them in the not too distant future.

this comment is a more sensible one & honest rather than biased and bash for nothing from many keyboard heroes here (especially those who think they know everything based on looks and on paper specifications alone).

No Traction Control or No Stability control…is automatically out from my list. I already experience the need of this stability control during raining. It is a must. You really appreciate it. And it should be make compulsary by government especially big car like camry and accord.

IMO, realibility, total cost of ownership of the car, service, spare parts are very important beside the looks and specification of the car.

For the high price of the care like conti, you will not want to go to service center once a month or frequently visit service center. I have used it before and TOTALLY REGRET for conti.

You have spent so much for a car, you will want to have a peace of mind and spend the rest of money and time with your beloved family and not just use the other $ to repair the unrealibility car and spend so much time to service center.

Owning a car is like owning a house, just that car will reduce in value. You want to stay in a house with reliability and comfort, no water linkage, no electricity off, no roof top dropping, etc. as compare to a house full of fancy and high tech things but always need to call technician or contractor to repair.

I am not sure why suddenly some people are now saying there are reliability issues with turbo chargers. I have owned turbo cars from most of my driving life from both German and Japanese makes with no issues at all with the engine well taken care of. On the contrary I had many issues with my NA engined Toyota Celica after a few years. Engine downsizing and turbo charging goes hand in hand now for most manufacturers and we will see more turbo cars in the future.

I am sure the Camry is a nice comfy ride and is designed to cater to a specific audience, but that shouldn’t be am excuse for bad design. A car can be executive looking and handsome at the same time. Both are not mutually exclusive.

General public’s car usage are very different from an enthusiast. To these group of drivers, they won’t know how a turbo works and why you need to let it cool down. I heard that some new 308 Turbo owner blew the turbo within 2 weeks of ownership, by switching off the engine immediately after some hard drivings. I know that the Golf GTi have an additional oil pump to circulate the oil around the turbine for a few minutes after switching the engine off to cool it down but how many cars have such a feature? Non-performance turbo cars are tuned for low boost so temperature is never too hot.

I added an engine oil intercooler and turbo timer in my last car to ensure that my turbo stays cooler or can cool down without me waiting in the car. I can’t do that to my new car without voiding the warranty so I trained myself to cruise for the last few minutes before reaching my destination. Will the general car owners do that? Doubt it.

Car designs are subjective. What is bad design to some can be OK or even good to others. The uncles love it so would you say they have bad taste? Or is that because Toyota know that they will love and made them specially for the targeted uncles???

Anyway, I might be in the category that Toyota is targeting but I’m very much a performance car enthusiast. Driving around in a Living Room is just so wrong.

Eventhough it’s comfortable. It’s still not preferable among the young buyer and the enthuisist. Same story for Korean Cars.
If you want a decent car with the best comfort and handling, go for conti.
Ford Mondeo is still favoured among europeans and it’s the same price as this Camry or VW Passat.

Not sure how Toyota’s Industrial Design team could produce such an ugly car when they are capable of beauts like the FT86….would never touch a car like this given the looks….me thinks Toyota’s good residuals will not be valid for this car as can just see the masses giving this car the pass in 3 or 4 years time…

last year i can see mostly each street in my housing area got few camry when i cycle pass by.
but now almost all of them are upgrade to the Germany passat with more reasonable price and a much better safety feature car,that i can say even most preferable company car also change to passat beside of camry.
if toyota keep on insist to fool the bright eyes buyer they will overcome by Volkswagen and i believe this are happening now.muahahahahaha.

Hei, with this price range, get a Lexus man. I have so many Japanese or European guest, they gaps when steps into my car. “This is my first time sitting in a Lexus, it feel great”, claimed. In Malaysia, we might feel that Lexus is nothing, but not Japanese or a free trade country. They feel Lexus is the art of all cars.. Just sharing.

In the US and Europe, Lexus is rated the most luxurious car. Only in Malaysia people over rate Mercs and Bmw’s.. Not that they aren’t good, but Lexus has more luxury features in fact, just under rated by most Malaysians. I would definitely go for a Lexus when I can. It’s also a fact that its rated the worlds most Reliable Luxury car maker. Infiniti comes after Lexus in terms of reliability and then Acura. Top 3 are Japanese.. I remember (if not recalled wrongly) that Jaguar was rated the worst in reliability. But at top 10, BMW and Merc was around 7-10.. Audi was also rated one of the worst :( ( I like Audi though).. Too bad..

overated camry as usual. looks ghastly outside and even worst inside. i can’t live with this kind of car. if i’m looking for a large sedan, i will look elsewhere. camry is for die hard toyota fan. looks outdated with outdated technology.

we can put it this way; japanese cars = practicality and reliability without the soul and excitement (sans mazda and suzuki which always excite drivers)

conti cars = enthusiasm and soul with some practicality and peace of mind (though conti cars are very delicate, owners must care more or face great depression on parts)

korean cars = a good balance between the above

japs car are reliable because their cars is not technically complicated and maintenance is very much straight forward plus excellent resale value, many of us like this.. looks are either too bland or too provocative

conti cars are much more clinical in tech and thus, must require more care in maintenance and usage.. well maintained conti cars can be very painless to own.. not many malaysians can afford such delicate care for our rides.. looks are well balanced; exciting yet calm and inoffensive

korean cars are somewhere in the middle, reliable enough to maintain yet still requires some extra care for certain parts.. but they are improving very rapidly over the years.. appeal to both japs and conti car buyers.. designers’ choice for looks

Hello from Seoul,korean car very good no chat bad the korean cars here. many korean very like our cars here with no problem. I dont no why Malaysia many problem with our cars maybe you never srvice! Korean cars now very very good not last time no very good.

car makers usually maintain or increase specs with each new or facelift models…UMW’s decision does not make sense.

well only thing that comes to mind is in Boleh Land, car specs and pricing does not make sense. so, either the MY consumers band together and refrain from buying crappy models until the principals learn from their weird pricing/specs decisions or the MY consumers continue to be at the mercy of car principals.

Not the car that I would get if I was looking for something at this price range.

But I think the worst spec to price ratio car is the Camry 2.0 @ RM150k… Compared to that, this looks like a good bargain (but of course, if you look elsewhere, everything else seems like a bargain too XD )

The 508 is definitely not quieter than the Camry. Not sure about insulation from the interior la. but outside the car, the engine and compressor is like the 80’s famous Mercedes scream! It’s very loud…

Now Korean cars (Hyundai, Kia), European cars (Volkswagen,Peugeot), Honda also with 5 years warranty. Even our Proton also 5 years. Unfortunately New Camry still 3 years..Maybe this car will broke off when it reach 4 years…or recall within 3 years…

i am not an expert in this field but my understanding is that Continental cars refer to cars of European origin.
Ford and Chevrolet are American based and i think it shouldn’t be considered Continental. But sometimes it is hard to draw the line now for example, Nissan, is it still a Japanese car? i am not sure how much influence the Renault has on Nissan but look at Teana, i think it has got a good blend of Japanese and French.

Despite the bad review, why I’m still seeing lots of this new Camry on the road? Oh I see, most folks that commented here are not really afford to buy a car in this range. Come on, give me thumb down. :P

Katak, i got a friend in sales whose dad is rich n forced him to use a camry (bought for him as present) because his dad is old school and thinks Toyota is the best car manufacturer in the world. he now only drives the camry to work, but when out for drinks, drives his wife’s car. its quite funny as he doesnt wanna be called “Uncle”

*** The Japanese JC08 test represents driving in congested city traffic, including idling periods and frequently alternating acceleration and deceleration. Measurement is made twice, with a cold start and with a warm start.

Let us think of another angle, i believe UMW themselves do think the current Camry looks like shit (only they dont say). UMW is currently acting ignorant now… so that to give a chance for Malaysian consumers to choose other brand with better looking cars like Honda or Korean marques or European marques. If the consumers still perceive Camry as a God car of all cars and keep buying the car, then the flashpoint of the problem actually lies within the Malaysian consumers itself. By the time, UMW can proudly say, even if we produce shit looking cars, Malaysian consumers will still buy our cars and support us (due to their stupidity)!

Kudos to Danny’s and Paul’s honest opinions about the missing VSC in this generation of Camry. UMW should really not be stingy on such important safety electronic aid, especially with our road conditions, rainy weather and sometimes rather reckless drivers all around.

I think even without consumers feedback, UMW should do the right thing and not compromise on safety. The absence of VSC just goes to show they care more about profits and their customers’ safety.

Spread the word — tell your friends, family and relatives not to buy another Toyota IF they value their lives.

To me if any company removing the safety features for whatever reason-it is crime!
You dont deal with criminal man, that simple.
I got new mondeo, my wife new mitsu.
prior to that my whole family use only one brand-Toyota.
Now i f them from head to toe.
definitely loosing 400k business from me, what more to it will be, i’ll influence all my friend to change brand-sometg analogy to coming election.
got wrong car(G?) YOU WILL BE SORRY FOR NEXT FEW YEARS!

A car brand will have good resale value not because of the current model, but due to previous models. Toyota has been good previously, hence the high resale value. The current Malaysian Camry lacks a lot of the points to be excellent, so in the future the resale value of a Toyota may not be as good as before, thanks to the current generation. Even if the next generation Camry is very beautiful, very reliable and amazingly specced, the damage has been done.

VSC was one of the main reason i spent additional RM20k for the 2.4V model (previous gen). It saved me a few times both on cornering and on wet conditions. Removing it in this top end model is really a mistake. Really shame Toyota to do cost cutting on our lives.

When I look at New Camry inside and out, I feel really pathetic for Toyota, how could a Global manufacturer come out with this kind of car? Looks like they really lack of resources to create a better car.

For an extra RM6,000 you can get the top of the line Camry Hybrid 2.5 HV Navigator in Thailand. So no, only in Malaysia you get supercrap specs at super high prices. So jangan main cakap Thai specs equally crap as ours.

VSC? eats into profits. More Airbags? eat’s into profits. People buying a camry are a dying generation. Sorry but VW is going to continue to erode Toyota sales…so long as Toyota keeps conning people with omitting certain safety features and coming up with ridiculous designs.

Seriously you can Dislike this comment for all you want…doesn’t change the fact that this things looks terrible :)

what ever people say, i will stick on toyota and my toyota…no reason but still love toyota…only those owned toyota can understand what i mean..most readers here ride kancil…then on paper comparison will always make toyota left behind…

what ever people say, i will stick on toyota and my toyota…no reason but still love toyota…only those owned toyota can understand what i mean..most readers here ride based on spec sheet….then on paper comparison will always make toyota left behind…compare to vw n others

comparison on paper? dude you seriously need to drive a VW, BMW or even a Mondeon hell a Mazda 6 for that matter…these cars handle way much better than a toyota…and yes you’re right on paper it does beat the Camry!

Look I am not against Toyota… I am just saying to cut on safety equipment but still ask the buyer for more money is ridiculous!

Hey Jube, how much you know about Toyota and its business model? People buying Camry is non of your business….is their choise, who you are to ask such a question? You buy whic one is best for you rite. Stop doing that and would be good if you could share with us about your lovely car :)

comparison on paper? dude you seriously need to drive a VW, BMW or even a Mondeon hell a Mazda 6 for that matter…these cars handle way much better than a toyota…and yes you’re right on paper it does beat the Camry!

Look I am not against Toyota… I am just saying to cut on safety equipment but still ask the buyer for more money is ridiculous!

Guys, I personally think that the Japs are starting to fall behind in the car industry. My dad owns a 08 accord and sure it last quite a long time but look at it now, it just doesnt quite cut it in this date and time. I own a forfi and i think its much better than what the japs have achived nowadays. If my dad decides to change his accord for a next gen accord i would surely recommend him to a nicer and better choice. Camry, nah. Passat, give it a tought, M6, too young for him, next gen Mondeo, not bad. Better yet, get a lower class car for much better value for money. ForFo ftw.

If you are going to spend RM 180K,I really wonder why you ever visit Toyota,waste of time…..better off in a VW or BMW or volvo or Ford or mazda showroom,more bang for your buck.to my knowledge any car more than 2.0 litre regardless of brand has very little command on resale value.