JenXer74

runnerfrog13

tjost wrote:Nice artwork Lucky, but I don't think anyones gonna get the Starwars ref without the title or the image of the wookie once the derby is done. Bandoliers have been in use for a loooong time even in Mexico, and adding the food will not help in that connection.

I think even without the attempt to connect to Star Wars, a bandolier full of tacos is a respectable funny thing to wear, considering the derby is about Mexico anyway...

brushfire

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!"

Luchi-huahua Poco Loco! The meanest, craziest perro Luchador en la todo de Mexico! He gets his power from Mexico's number 2 export, "Coffee!"

This little breed is is tiny but tenacious and they have absolutely NO FEAR! Great little fighters!

Hi everyone, this is my first entry here @ shirt.woot.com. This is my artwork, but I had some help from BlindDog3D on the layers and the halftones (I still don't get that stuff, but he's really good!). So we agreed to enter this together.

JRWorkshop

ramyb wrote:I can understand woot's decision to reject for text, but stating that El Zorro has nothing to do with Mexico is completely false. Not only was the fictional character of Zorro a hero of the Mexican people, but the real "El Zorro" was an actual hero in the Mexican War for independence. I wanted to resubmit this because I feel that it deserves a chance to compete, but ultimately it is up to woot to decide.

He was a priest!!! This... this is just justifications... The only real Mexican Zorro doesn't look nothing like this thing.

runnerfrog13

Good representation of lots of mexican food Jas, but I don't feel like this is up to your normal quality of drawing. The shapes are all kindof awkward and the piece feels very flat, despite the shading. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just kinda feels, slapdash instead of stylized. Does that make any sense?

cdrewlow

ramyb wrote:I can understand woot's decision to reject for text, but stating that El Zorro has nothing to do with Mexico is completely false. Not only was the fictional character of Zorro a hero of the Mexican people, but the real "El Zorro" was an actual hero in the Mexican War for independence. I wanted to resubmit this because I feel that it deserves a chance to compete, but ultimately it is up to woot to decide.

kinzoku

Zorro was of Spanish descent (of the Spain variety). And he lived in California. Perhaps he interacted with a few people who came up from Mexico to California in some of the stories, but that really doesn't make him Mexican.

(I really like the Isabel Allende adaptation of Zorro, in which he's part-Native American and part-Spaniard... still nothing to do with Mexico though. I feel this entry is a case of assuming Spanish-speaking = Mexican.)

bellarific

gingembre

runnerfrog13 wrote:I think this is hilarious, gmv. Blue has a good point though, without the title, the "origami" joke isn't quite as obvious. HOWEVER, if you added a TORTILLA CRANE as the last line.... = WIN

(hehe)

YES! Tortilla Crane! C'mon, one more line, and this shirt would cross over from awesome to epic!

JRWorkshop

kinzoku wrote:Zorro was of Spanish descent (of the Spain variety). And he lived in California. Perhaps he interacted with a few people who came up from Mexico to California in some of the stories, but that really doesn't make him Mexican.

(I really like the Isabel Allende adaptation of Zorro, in which he's part-Native American and part-Spaniard... still nothing to do with Mexico though. I feel this entry is a case of assuming Spanish-speaking = Mexican.)

explodedwhale

I had a Spanish teacher in college that tried to teach us about Frida Kahlo. She used make-up to give herself a unibrow, but it ended up looking like a gaping wound in the middle of her face and all of us just kept asking her if she needed stitches... :/

sarahhancock

ramyb

kinzoku wrote:Zorro was of Spanish descent (of the Spain variety). And he lived in California. Perhaps he interacted with a few people who came up from Mexico to California in some of the stories, but that really doesn't make him Mexican.

(I really like the Isabel Allende adaptation of Zorro, in which he's part-Native American and part-Spaniard... still nothing to do with Mexico though. I feel this entry is a case of assuming Spanish-speaking = Mexican.)

"In 1821, Don Diego de la Vega (Anthony Hopkins) fights against Spain in the Mexican War of Independence as Zorro, a mysterious avenger who defends the Mexican peasants and commoners of Las Californias."

The story has been adapted many times to have many different twists, but has always been tied to defending the Mexican people. And, like I said earlier, the "real" Zorro was a hero of the Mexican War for Independence. At this point I'm just going to be talking in circles so I will step out of the discussion and let woot decide. I have made my defense and I can see that not everyone will agree, but since it isn't up to me I will just wait and see what happens now.

runnerfrog13

Maybe I'm miscounting, but it seems there are more than 6 colors here, or did you use halftones*? (1 red, 2 blues, 2 yellows, black, white eyes, blue eyes, and possibly transparency on both the blue and yellow rays?) Entries can only have 6 colors.
*oh wait, I see the closeup of the halftone now. It still looks like you used a transparency with it though.

Hope you don't mind some feedback on your design, I'm proud of you for entering (it's intimidating) and hope you continue to improve!:
The blue and yellow of the sun/moon stands out well on a red shirt. Maybe consider not putting rays on the moon part to give more of the suggestion of Luna? Also, the cheek line next to the sun's mouth and under his eye are kindof strangely shaped. Well, the one under his eye wouldn't be so strange if the cheek line was gone. I'm assuming the sun is supposed to be smiling in contrast to the moon who is not, you might want to keep the upper lip higher and bring the lower curve of the lip up to meet it, rather than curving the upper lip downt to meet the lower and then curving them both. You also might be able to get rid of the blue eye color by using yellow eyes on the moon and blue eyes on the sun, or even stylizing them a little bit and not having an iris color.

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GNitro

Woot did decide when they rejected it the first time. You're the one who has a hard time dealing with rejections. All you ever do is change something minor and resubmit something that is 99% the exact same thing.

JRWorkshop

ramyb wrote:"In 1821, Don Diego de la Vega (Anthony Hopkins) fights against Spain in the Mexican War of Independence as Zorro, a mysterious avenger who defends the Mexican peasants and commoners of Las Californias."

The story has been adapted many times to have many different twists, but has always been tied to defending the Mexican people. And, like I said earlier, the "real" Zorro was a hero of the Mexican War for Independence. At this point I'm just going to be talking in circles so I will step out of the discussion and let woot decide. I have made my defense and I can see that not everyone will agree, but since it isn't up to me I will just wait and see what happens now.

Really? That's just the most recent adaptation of the ORIGINAL Zorro. Written and created for somebody in the U.S.A almost 100 years ago. Not even mentioning that your excuse saying that 'El Cura' Hidalgo was called Fox (Which I doubt and you never mentioned in the first sub)
I Quote: "Zorro (Spanish for fox) is the secret identity of Don Diego de la Vega (originally Don Diego Vega), a nobleman and master living in the Spanish colonial era of California."
" Don Diego Vega becomes Señor Zorro in the pueblo of Los Angeles in California "to avenge the helpless, to punish cruel politicians," and "to aid the oppressed.""
All quoted from the ONLY wikipedia page about the Zorro you tried to picture

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