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timothy
on Thursday March 03, 2011 @04:23PM
from the get-a-really-really-big-disk dept.

Stenchwarrior writes "I was in the car with my wife and 15-year-old daughter this morning talking about the future of Facebook and how it's likely that they will not be around forever (or at least not at the same capacity as now) and my daughter asked 'Well, what's going to happen to all of my pictures?' It never occurred to her to that Facebook might not be around someday and all of those thousands of photos that she's uploaded might someday be gone. So this is what I ask the good people at Slashdot: What's a good way to preserve all of those memories? Many devices nowadays have direct access to the Internet and even to Facebook and once the images are uploaded they are eventually deleted to make room for more. How do we make sure we can access or backup those files in case Zuckerberg decides to sell out to Google or Microsoft and they do away with everyone's profiles?"

Que in the comments how everyone should start hosting their blog and pictures on their own server that they manage themself, or that they should email updates and pictures instead of Facebook. Look, casual people aren't capable of handling their own server and why should they be. Also, it would mean that it all gets non-organized and you have to follow several different sites, nor can you plan events or use any other social features that Facebook offers. Not everyone are interested on all those updates or n

Oh AmicusNYCL, you hopelessly naive liberal do-gooder, you. Don't you realize that every single time a bad thing happens to someone else, they deserve it? Conversely, all good things that happen to me are deserved as well. This philosophy has helped me feel good about myself while not caring about anyone else, and it can help you too! Blame the victim, I always say. It's just easier.

That is demonstrably not true, as I have noticed that, contrary to my philosophy, bad things occasionally happen to me, and good things happen to other people. In the best of all possible worlds, this would not be the case.

Karma does not really apply to "your" next life. The meaning of karma is impersonal, in my opinion. Do good things, and good things will happen to someone. Do bad things, and bad things will happen to someone. It is not some magical balance scale that rights all wrongs and rewards all good deeds. If you desire more justice than you see in the world, you must act to help create it. And that does not mean taking the law into your own hands, as that is not real justice.

Who even gives a shit about those kinds of things anyway? "Here are a bazillion pictures I took because everything has a camera on it and I want to KEEP THEM ALL!".... no, pictures aren't for that anymore. They're for isntant "here's what I did that you don't care about." Wanting to keep your facebook photos as an analog to classic photo albums is like equating your status updates to a diary. If she wants to keep them forever, she needs to make hard copies of them, duh.

Your grandkids may like to see the photos of you having fun on your trip, or finger-painting with pasta sauce, or cleaning a dog that is covered in mud, or anything. Video is even more precious. Combined, they're a way for your future descendents (or future self) to remember what life was like for you at this moment in time.

Because the current generation of users are just that.. USERS.. the previous generation of users? guess what.. users as well. Users don't want to be bothered with learning all the ins and outs, they just want it to work.Not everyone can know everything.. or more importantly, bother with taking the time to learn it. I don't read up on the fine points of Class-5 Phone switches, but I still expect my phone to work when I pick up the receiver. (Actually that's a lie, I switched to IP telephony a while ag

If she grew up in the internet age, she has no excuse not to understand the technology.

That's completely ridiculous. You think that every kid that owns an iPhone understands things like HTTP, iOS, Bluetooth, and the 802.11 specs? Do they also understand database clusters, content delivery networks, event-based user interfaces and load balancing? Should all Facebook users be expected to understand how memcached works?

The point of a device like the iPhone, or a service like Facebook, is explicitly that you do not need to understand how the technology works in order to use it. This is the "black-box" approach to abstract programming that you learn about in year 1 of computer science classes. It's the same reason I can hit a button on a toaster and get toast without needing to know exactly how the coils heat up or the timer works.

I wouldn't say she "deserves" to lose her data, but she really should know better.

No, there is in fact no reason why she should know better. In fact, it's up to the designers of the technology to consider users like her and make their services easier to use and more suited to the needs of users that don't understand how it works. Apple understands this concept. You do not. You may be the guy who designs software and interfaces with the expectation that the kids using the service understand all of the terminology you're using and all of the ramifications involved. That's how you alienate your prospective user base. Facebook makes it easy to upload pictures, they should also make it easy to download them. It would be nice if you could download the original version, but that's asking a bit much for a social networking site instead of an image dump.

They certainly shouldn't need to know the RFCs or Facebook's code, or how a JPG is compressed. But they sure as hell should know that if they entrust their pictures completely to a third party, the availability of those pictures will be restricted to the availability of that third party.

This isn't even a technological issue. If I had the only copy of my paper-and-ink photos to some random third party with nothing more than a wink and a nod towards the protection and privacy of those pictures, I shouldn't

That's a terrible analogue, more akin to swapping out your power supply. For a better analogy, it's more like getting your fluids checked regularly: everyone born in the modern age *should* know to do this, but somehow some people manage to miss this lesson.

For a better analogy, it's more like getting your fluids checked regularly: everyone born in the modern age *should* know to do this, but somehow some people manage to miss this lesson.

Actually, even that's not nearly as important as it used to be -- 20 years ago I used to check my oil and coolant nearly every week and sometimes the car actually needed one or the other.

I've had my current car for nearly 10 years and it has never needed oil, water or any other fluid (besides wiper fluid) to be topped up between oil changes. Now I'm lucky if I check my fluids once a month - often I don't check anything at all between oil changes. Maybe someday I'll get bitten by an oil or coolant leak that

And you've explained exactly how it's at least a better analogue, if not a good one. Facebook isn't likely to disappear any time soon, so backing up my pictures likely won't even matter, but if it does, I'll be glad I did back up my pictures. (Though, actually, I couldn't care less about mine, so I don't back mine up, but that's not the point.)

Because 99% of people don't realize that a photo that looks fine on your computer or TV (which honestly have abysmal resolutions) look like utter CRAP when printed. It's amazing that people still can't wrap their heads around that fact.

All of the slashdotters who always have to suggest that should actually use Facebook and see what it offers. Once you get familiar with it, it's actually quite fantastic service for many different purposes.

Some of us value our privacy.

Strangely, even without a FB account, I have no problem staying in touch with friends, going to all the parties..and having a fulfilling life socializing with friends not only locally, but around the world.

D) Semi-reliable, always connected hardware to run it on.*E) Semi-reliable, fairly-fast, connection to run it through.**F) Sufficient, reliable income to afford a commercial DSL or better internet connection because hosting such a site over most residential plans is a violation of TOS.***G) Having D & E talk to each other without any router in between or understanding UPnP well enough to get around this.H) A semi-static IP address AND enough know-how to make it visible "out there".**

Diaspora can be installed by anyone (and linked to the cloud), which means you could rent a VPS or install a home server and install it on that. It's basically facebook but
A) Controlled by a profit-obsessed megalomaniac
B) Open-Source (no hidden BS stuff)
C) In YOUR hands, so you can do backups/proper deletions, etc
D) Distributed, your content is on YOUR server (or a rented/borrowed on).

It's like Blogger vs Wordpress. Sure they both have free subscription options, but with wordpress you can run it

Furthermore, the comments from friends are not on your computer with the source file. While most are probably banal, I'm sure some of the jokes, banter, memories, etc. in the pics' comments have some archival value to the owner of the account.

Indeed, the download is also very BROKEN and has been since they launched it...at least for anyone whos profile size is over ~1GB (easy to do with a few HD video uploads).

Only the first 1GB of the backup.zip will actually download...no error or "failed download", it'll just stop at about 1GB resulting in an incomplete and thus corrupt and unusable zip archive. Any browser, any OS (I've tried IE, FF, Chrome, and wget on Win7, Mac, and FreeBSD), it fails if it's larger then 1GB.

> All you can do now is download the shitty low res copies facebook keeps

Huh? Facebook upgraded its resolution last year to handle up to 2048 pixels on the longest edge. Granted, many cameras can shoot higher than that nowadays, but I don't think anybody would describe that as low-res.

Unfortunately the dimensions of an image alone are meaningless when quantifying the quality of the image. Facebook still compresses their images far greater than any base line point and shoot camera does.

I don't understand this article is called 'Facebook Archiving'... Backup is backup whatever you look at it, in this case, you're backing up photographs...They're not *Facebook photographs*, they're just photographs, perhaps ordinary JPGS.

If you want to backup your 'status updates', install Status Net or some twitter clone, then make updates locally with your tool, then get those to sync with twitter and then Facebook...

That's what I am thinking. The quality of the facebook pics are such crap anyway. Who in their right mind thinks that is where their original copies should reside. Keep one copy on your main drive, one backed up to an external, and another on a CD/DVD stored in a fireproof box. And do that with all important files.

Play with the -l and --accept and --reject to filter out stuff you don't want... unfortunately facebook's undescripted URL format will make this difficult. But wget works quite well to backup your other blog sites, like livejournal, blogspot, and slashdot.

As for myself, I only ever post to facebook via twitter (which also crossposts to buzz and li

Seriously, though: http://cygwin.com/ [cygwin.com] has windows binaries of common GNU tools, like wget, and can automagically add itself to your path when you install it. (I think? Maybe you have to do that part manually.) Then, you can wget to your heart's content.

To be fair, it only takes one of us to make an executable to do the job with a couple of clicks and a "What's your FB username/password?" prompt. Not that I'm going to do so, though; these YouTube clips of cats in amusing situations aren't going to watch themselves, after all...

Why would you want to remember every post and every tweet and every picture? Its a DAMN good things that there is data loss at least for the mundane. I don't want people seeing everything I first posted when I from my first websites and my first forays into the web. LET IT DIE ALREADY YOU FRIGGIN INTERNET VAMPIRES!

1) I trust the longevity more. Feel free to disagree.2) I can upload full resolution images.3) My friends can download full albums of full resolution images if I've set privacy settings accordingly.

When people post images on FB, I'm always bummed that I can't backup the high quality image myself, and these days people seem to email around photo backups of events far less, and simply tag people on Facebook.

As far as backing up: I have everything important at full res in Picasa, in the cloud, I have them on my computer HD, my iPhone syncs full resolution copies daily, and I keep a regular external HD backup. That all seems pretty safe to me, especially compared to simply expecting FB to keep the sole copy forever.

The question is primarily a proof of stupidity on the side of the Facebook user.

First, when you uploaded it you must have had the original, why didn't you save it?
Second, contact Facebook as an advertiser and/or marketeer and they will hand you anything you want (for a price).
Third, ask your favourite 3- or 4 letter agency for info on terrist X...

And lastly, when you wake up from the stupor that made you place all that personal info on Facebook you will find it's impossible to remove what got out on the

The short answer is that you treat Facebook, Flickr, and other sites just like you did back in the Good Old Days--as a means of sharing, not as a means of storage. It's fine to upload and share the photos immediately, but you leave them on your device until you dock the device and download them all (in native resolution) to your computer. Then you can remove delete them from the device.

If google or microsoft buys facebook, it's because they want the users. They'll either keep the system, or migrate the user data to their own systems. It's fucking stupid to think they wouldn't. This is another great example of slashdot approving a worthless story with no merit.

We had our own writing, our own art and our own photographs (and source code etc.) and we kept a backup on our own PCs. And we owned the copyright on the stuff that we had created ourselves. We put links to other peoples' web sites that we liked.

These young people today don't know know how easy they have it. And I'll tell you another thing, it's so easy for them, they've never had to think for themselves. And they've never had to take any responsibility.

When it all goes horribly wrong, they'll have nothing left and they won't know what to do, and when someone say, "Well, just restore from your backup." They'll say, "What's a backup?"

And you'll say, "The spare copies of everything that you kept for safe-keeping."

And there will be a look of bewilderment on their faces and they'll say, "I didn't know you could do that..."

You'd be able to choose a host for your, uh, seed so there's some risk gone. But you could also sync your stuff to an encrypted vault with a few friends, and return the favor to them. That's pretty reliable. And then you could export the archive into a format that lots of people could unpack and use, because there's the original open source manager, and perhaps a bunch of alternatives/competitors using the same protocol like you see with bitTorrent clients.

It's not just about the network of your peers and privacy. It's also owning your lifestream in a format that's still useful five years from now. From there, building out management of a home library is pretty natural, even if it's never shared across the network. I lost almost all of my early journalistic work when my Hotmail account got wiped due to inactivity. That's hard to replace. A consolidated service to both store and share information could be really powerful and universally liked. Facebook is a reasonably effective start at this... but with some inextricable baggage around privacy, ownership and portability.

Diaspora, despite the rocky start, seems to be the most active project working on this. I hope it thrives.

I used this a few years ago. worked great. for those who are on flickr, this would be one way to get your photos 'back'.

I see that flickr has banned this software now, though;( what a shame.

when I had a 'pro' flickr account, I could see all my photos. when I let that expire and go to a free account again, I'm limited to seeing only the last 200 photos even though they were all still there if you knew the url.

The first thing wrong is that Facebook doesn't have any liability to YOU to keep the information you uploaded online and/or archived. And YOU, expecting Facebook to keep a backup is just moronic. If you upload a photo directly from your cell phone to Facebook, YOU as a Facebook user can't have any reasonable expectation that the photo will stay there, be backed up, or basically anything. It can stay there, it can be taken down, it can disappear without any notice, and if it's published to the public you can't have any expectation that the photo will not be used/copied/shared/drooled on by others that you don't want to have access. The only one responsible for the well being of that photo is YOU, and if you don't save it elsewhere on your own, then you really shouldn't own a cell phone that can take pictures anyhow.

The only camera a 15 year old owns is probably his/her phone, which they also use to upload the photo directly to Facebook. Unless the photos on the phone are kept there and the user specifically syncs it with his/her PC, there is no local copy.

You weren't around during the 00's were you? That time when companies invested billions into their infrastructure and technology only the become irrelevant husks with stock valued at fractions of a percent of their high.

You are probably right that Facebook will be around for a while (for some definition of a while), but it's not because they're building a data center.

How many years did you have to transition your floppies? And it can still be done, if the will is there.

If media really bothers you, don't use media--use a hard drive, flash drive etc. It will be a long time before the USB interface is no longer available, and yet again you'll have plenty of time to transition...

The main point being, don't let your memories gather dust for a decade--actively maintain them!

If that's the case..sounds like your time would be better spent educating yourself rather than fscking around on FaceBook, so that you can get a better job and be able to afford a paltry $100 harddrive.