Trial for Accused Nazi Guard John Demjanjuk Will Go Forward in Germany

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[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17622038]Hitler was a socialist, which is evil.[/QUOTE]
Yo, Nazi Germany was Fascist. Not socialist.

Killing people is wrong even when the government tells you to do it.
Now think about this in regards to the death penalty.

[QUOTE=MODS ARE FAGS;17622358]Yo, Nazi Germany was Fascist. Not socialist.[/QUOTE]
Yo, I heard you were brainwashed by Mainstream Media Propaganda.

[QUOTE=radioactive;17622463]Yo, I heard you were brainwashed by Mainstream Media Propaganda.[/QUOTE]
It's Fascist, not Socialist.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;17622395]Killing people is wrong even when the government tells you to do it.
Now think about this in regards to the death penalty.[/QUOTE]
I think it's more of a Nazi stereotype that people are influenced by, not that he killed people because the government told him to. If we were to prosecute everyone under that logic we would prosecute our own soldiers.
I know you were trying to skew it into some anti-death-penalty speech but it's totally different than a Nazi executioner.
However, the guy was just a guard and if he really didn't slaughter the prisoners directly or do that weird torture that a previous poster was talking about, I think accessory to thousands of murders is a bit much.
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[QUOTE=radioactive;17622463]Yo, I heard you were brainwashed by Mainstream Media Propaganda.[/QUOTE]
Okay

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17622489]It's Fascist, not Socialist.[/QUOTE]
It was both, there was the socialistic thingies going on in the background of the genocides and whatnot.

[QUOTE=M2k3;17620195]From the sounds of it the amount of evidence they have against this guy is ridiculously vague and stupid. It's such a waste of time and resources to try prosecute this guy. Even if he did "assist" in the killing of thousands of people he was following orders, the person giving the orders should be prosecuted not the person following them. If he didn't follow orders he probably would've been shot.[/QUOTE]
The "Just following orders" excuse is bull shit in most cases,this being one. By your logic Charles Manson's family should be let go, after all it was he who was giving the orders.
This man was part of a machine that murdered people like animals. No sympathy should be had.

He is 89 years old fuck sake. Why bother.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622640]The "Just following orders" excuse is bull shit in most cases,this being one. By your logic Charles Manson's family should be let go, after all it was he who was giving the orders.[/QUOTE]
If you are in the army and are ordered to take down an enemy building, did it occur to your mind that the Taliban are on the right side and you should disobey to save yourself?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622640]The "Just following orders" excuse is bull shit in most cases,this being one. By your logic Charles Manson's family should be let go, after all it was he who was giving the orders.
This man was part of a machine that murdered people like animals. No sympathy should be had.[/QUOTE]
No that really isn't the same logic. Sorry.
He was just a guard, he didn't commit any murders, plus he couldn't just leave, because then he would be drafted into the military or be forced to live under the radar with no public contact.
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you people suck with analogies

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622680]If you are in the army and are ordered to take down an enemy building, did it occur to your mind that the Taliban are on the right side and you should disobey to save yourself?[/QUOTE]
Yeah cos ya know, the Jews and the Taliban are totally similar. Are you suggesting the Nazis were right?

[QUOTE=SylarMinelli;17622721]Yeah cos ya know, the Jews and the Taliban are totally similar. Are you suggesting the Nazis were right?[/QUOTE]
No I am not suggesting, just saying that really the world isn't so black and white that the guards knew that they were doing wrong and all.
And I was putting Taliban and Nazis on the same side there. (Since you like to kill them it's probably ok)

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622680]If you are in the army and are ordered to take down an enemy building, did it occur to your mind that the Taliban are on the right side and you should disobey to save yourself?[/QUOTE]
That sentence is kind of confusing but if I get the jest of what you are saying it is completely different. We are not talking about killing in combat due to orders, This is about the mass killing of unarmed civilians in a non combative setting.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622761]That sentence is kind of confusing but if I get the jest of what you are saying it is completely different. We are not talking about killing in combat due to orders, This is about the mass killing of unarmed civilians in a non combative setting.[/QUOTE]
Read my post. He isn't doing a very good job of defending his point.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622761]That sentence is kind of confusing but if I get the jest of what you are saying it is completely different. We are not talking about killing in combat due to orders, This is about the mass killing of unarmed civilians in a non combative setting.[/QUOTE]
Like Blackwater?

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622750]No I am not suggesting, just saying that really the world isn't so black and white that the guards knew that they were doing wrong and all.
And I was putting Taliban and Nazis on the same side there.[/QUOTE]
I would like to think it is common knowledge to all different races and cultures that slaughtering defenseless men, women and children is wrong.

[QUOTE=MODS ARE FAGS;17622775]Read my post. He isn't doing a very good job of defending his point.[/QUOTE]
I am not defending any point just trying to open some eyes.

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622777]Like Blackwater?[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything
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[QUOTE=evilking1;17622789]I am not defending any point just trying to open some eyes.[/QUOTE]
You're trying to make a point then, and you're not doing too well.

Yeah guys I know lets equate the Holocaust with any modern war because you know, the similarities are just ENDLESS!
By the way, another flaw in the "he was just following orders" theory (IF he actually served at the camp, not saying he definitely did), is the fact that the majority of Ukranians (not Germans, Ukranians) who worked in camps were [b]volunteers[/b].

[QUOTE=SylarMinelli;17622817]Yeah guys I know lets equate the Holocaust with the Gulf War because you know, the similarities are just ENDLESS![/QUOTE]
You are right since [B]HITLER[/B]

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622777]Like Blackwater?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about. No were in what I was responding to did you mention civilians in the fictional building were the Taliban were hiding. You compared combat to two militant forces to the slaughtering of civilians.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622780]I would like to think it is common knowledge to all different races and cultures that slaughtering defenseless men, women and children is wrong.[/QUOTE]
You are right since [B]HITLER[/B]

[QUOTE=SylarMinelli;17622817]Yeah guys I know lets equate the Holocaust with the Gulf War because you know, the similarities are just ENDLESS![/QUOTE]
The Gulf War?
He's talking about The current War in Iraq.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622876]What are you talking about. No were in what I was responding to did you mention civilians in the fictional building were the Taliban were hiding. You compared combat to two militant forces to the slaughtering of civilians.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghdad_shootings[/url]

[QUOTE=SylarMinelli;17622817]By the way, another flaw in the "he was just following orders" theory (IF he actually served at the camp, not saying he definitely did), is the fact that the majority of Ukranians (not Germans, Ukranians) who worked in camps were [b]volunteers[/b].[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're right actually, he was Ukrainian. My bad.
However, if his story stands up that he was a captured Red Army soldier than he shouldn't be punished.

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622891][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghdad_shootings[/url][/QUOTE]
Read what I posted. It has no relevance to what we were discussing.

[QUOTE=MODS ARE FAGS;17622906]
However, if his story stands up that he was a captured Red Army soldier than he shouldn't be punished.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. The tricky thing is proving it either way, seeing as it happened so long ago.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17622935]Read what I posted. It has no relevance to what we were discussing.[/QUOTE]
Yes you are right, nothing is relevant, sorry for posting.

[QUOTE=evilking1;17622964]Yes you are right, nothing is relevant, sorry for posting.[/QUOTE]
I'm a bit confused, show me what I posted that was in relation to the black water incident.

God I don't understand why people want to put him on trial now that he's 89 years old.
Good god putting an 89 man in jail will do nothing to avenge the hollocaust. You are creating more suffering because of many sufferings.
And they don't view the story on his point of view. At the time he probably didn't know it would end like this or any better. He was following orders. If you didn't follow orders you'd most likely get shot and imprisoned. Its not like he asked to be an accessory to murder 27,000. Holy shit people.
Someone needs to smack these bitches, hard.