Interesting article. Does it also apply to OpenEdge when it says "most databases store rows in what's known as a clustered index, meaning that the rows in a table are actually stored on disk in a sorted order, usually based on a primary key value"? As far as I know this is true when loading an OpenEdge database but does OpenEdge store records physically on disc based on the primary key?

You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available.

It's a very good place. You remember the incident where a psc employer sent me an invitation off the line to call him at his office, questioning the relevance of the content of some of my messages on the architecture forum here. A clear attempt to censor me. It never happened again (after I made the reaction public on the peg, but I don't know if that was the cause).

You have posted to a forum that requires a moderator to approve posts before they are publicly available.

Still posting them. Postgres f.e. is a competitor too. You can learn from competitors. I have the impression you are almost a progress employee, of the wrong kind, more "loyal" than some psc employees themselves (cool aid drinker others would call you). You get me a bit furious again Mike, you're so biased and political. There a couple of other messages of people that were *not* with you at that time. No added value for you does not mean no added value for everyone. You're big, but not that big. And I'm not afraid of you like others maybe.

I'll refrain myself of further reacting on all negative reactions that will follow here. The matter has been handled already.

I often follow Stefan's links and have found some of them quite interesting. I appreciate that he doesn't spend a lot of time trying to influence my opinions about the content of the link but rather just says what it is and puts it out there as something to consider.

I didn't find this one particularly fascinating but I have a hard time seeing how anyone at Progress could see it as inappropriate.

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Gus Bjorklund via peg.com Jan 15

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On 1/15/14 3:35 PM, "Tom Bascom" wrote:

>I have a hard time

>seeing how anyone at Progress could see it as inappropriate.

me too.

regards,

gus

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Tom Bascom Jan 15

I get a lot of spam. That post doesn't look anything like spam. I'd share some but PEG, as we all know, aggressively filters spam. Notice how even PEG has not filtered this message.

The post title says that it is about "MDD". That topic seems, to me anyway, a perfectly appropriate topic for the forum.

The URL clearly and in plain English says that it is about modeling languages and "mendix". Which matches Stefan's description of what he is asking people to read.

The content comes from outside progress.com. Maybe that bothers someone at Progress but, personally, I value opinions and ideas that differ from my own. Even when they are wrong. If nothing else they give me an opportunity to enumerate the reasons why they are wrong ;) But I like it better when I see a new idea or learn that, actually, I was wrong and some other approach has advantages.

Censorship isn't just removing content. It is also about discouraging people from saying certain things. Having a phone call to discuss "alternative approaches" is kind of intimidating if you ask me. It sounds like corporate-speak for "clean up your act or else".

On the surface it all sounds very innocent and harmless. Until your boss comes around to your desk. (Maybe you've never had someone "reach out" to your boss because they didn't like something you posted online. Clean living will do that for you...)

Now that isn't exactly what is happening here -- but it is easy (for me anyway) to see some parallels.

Not all censorship is bad. For instance I'm perfectly ok with Greg making sure that we don't get spam. And I think it is perfectly ok for Progress to remove any crude and unprofessional sorts of postings. I'm even ok with them taking down thinly disguised competitor advertisements and such.

But I don't see this as even bordering on any of that. It merely mentions another company with products in what seems like more of a complimentary than a competitive niche and the article itself mostly talks about the advantages of that approach. Material which I would *hope* that Progress marketing and development people might want to spend some quality time thinking about. It's not my particular cup of tea but I can see how Progress might want to be thinking about that kind of stuff.

It's not much different than pointing out that certain companies with sailboats have some very interesting database features that might be fun to have in OpenEdge. If I posted something about that I wouldn't expect an invitation to discuss alternative approaches to my posting habits -- I'd expect something more like "great idea! we'll get right on it" or (more likely) "we thought about that and here's our approach..." or (most likely) "tell us about your use-case...".

The key issue, Stefan, is that you never contacted Jean to find out what he was actually thinking. You based your response entirely on what you thought he might be thinking, what motivations he might have. All of the PEG reactions were based on an idea which actually had no basis in reality. There was never any intention to censor., But, that is the kind of thing that happens when you assume what someone else means and don't do them the courtesy of at least listening to what they have to say.