Flood or Fire? – 2012

I hear predictions of either flood or fire that will destroy the world.

What does the bible say?

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2012 is our next Y2K.

Will it be a disaster, or are most predictions just speculation?

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Currently, there are situations and events we can

see and understand. This is the “known:”

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Examples:

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Rise of sea levels

This shows potential flooding in world countries as a result of rise of ocean levels. Put your own country in and take a look. Green = high ground, black = flooding. The number of inches can be added in, and flooding estimated.

First, the pole shift is slow and imperceptible to humans except through the eyes of very accurate satellite global positioning systems.

Second, the pole shift will only accomplish 1-10 degrees (100-1000 km) of total motion over millions of years.

You can read online that the eruption of a large volcano in the polar regions, the impact of a meteorite or the melting of an ice sheet may cause a pole shift.

These processes might cause very very small pole shifts. The only real way to drive a large pole shift of 1000s of kms is to move very large mass anomalies around within Earth’s mantle (under the influence of plate tectonics

Some people confuse magnetic reversals with pole shifts.

However, a magnetic reversal is a 180 degree flip in the polarity of the magnetic field related to fluid motions in Earth’s iron outer core, and has nothing to do with motion of the continents or pole shifts.

When you read online that a pole shift will lead to massive floods, what you should imagine is that on the time scale of millions of years, some continents will experience 10s of meters of sea level rise (i.e., flooding), while other continents (the ones that move toward higher latitude) will experience 10s of meters of sea level fall.

Again, this advance or retreat of shorelines would be imperceptible to humans because it occurs so slowly (even though we consider this type of change fast relative to many geological processes).

Plate tectonics moves continents around relative to one another (rather than all together) at rates between 1-10 cm per year, and has achieved rates up to 20 cm per year in the past.

Therefore, we view the idea that a pole shift could be fast (e.g., 1-1000 years) and catastrophic (e.g., big floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc…) as far-fetched, without any observational or theoretical basis.

Even Einstein, who communicated with Hapgood and wrote a supportive introduction to Hapgood’s book, had enough intuition to recognize that pole shifts were unlikely to happen very quickly.

Four major types of nuclear testing: 1. atmospheric, 2. underground, 3. exoatmospheric, and 4. underwater. The fallout plume from an explosion can spread high levels of radiation for over a hundred miles.

The dominant effects of a nuclear weapon (the blast and thermal radiation) are the same physical damage mechanisms as conventional explosives, but the energy produced by a nuclear explosive is millions of times more per gram and the temperatures reached are in the tens of megakelvins.

Nuclear weapons are quite different from regular weapons because of the huge amount of explosive energy they can put out and the different kinds of effects they make, like high temperatures and nuclear radiation.

The devastating impact of the explosion does not stop after the initial blast, as with regular explosives.

A cloud of nuclear radiation travels from the epicenter of the explosion, causing an impact to life forms even after the heat waves have ceased.

The radiation can cause genetic mutation, radiation poisoning, and death.

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Fire from meteors and asteroids

The size of meteors varies greatly. The smallest ones are no larger than a particle of sand. The biggest ones reach the size of a boulder. The biggest meteorite weighed 132,000 lbs. It fell in Hoba West in South Africa.

Asteroids are a class of small Solar System bodies in orbit around the Sun. Objects in the main asteroid belt vary greatly in size, from almost 1000 kilometres for the largest down to rocks just tens of metres across.

The sizes of meteors that hit the planet are very small. Every hour, one million meteors hit the Earth’s atmosphere. Less than 160 get into the atmosphere. The biggest ones to actually hit the surface are 50 cm.

Once a year, a 4 meter meteorite might hit. A 20 meter asteroid hits the Earth every 100 years. Every 2 million years or so, a 2 km asteroid will hit the Earth.

One of the most well known meteors is the Peekskill Meteorite which hit on Oct 9, 1992. The meteor covered a path of 800 km. A fragment had a mass of 27 lbs.

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Then there are outcomes predicted based on

partially known, or unknown, events, whose

outcome cannot really be known until it happens.

Examples:

Nibiru / planet X

This is a planetary object that is orbiting around in space and will soon come near the earth.

The theory is that this close alignment with earth and some other planets will cause a global earthquake and will result in flooding of many areas.

We are now into the Seventh Day of the Mayan Calendar, which began on Nov. 3, 2010.

This is the last Day of the calendar and will run until Oct. 28, 2011.

According to Carl Calleman, Mayan cosmologist, this is the true end date of the Mayan Calendar as opposed to Dec. 21, 2012.

New Age channels say that the cosmic energies that are coming in will continue to affect us physically, as well as the planet, in preparation for the tipping point to Ascension.

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I assume the Ascension is the New Age version of the rapture. We should run into the arms of our alien rescuers.

So, this time is more about “energy” changes as the world economy and society collapse.

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What does the Bible say?

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No more destruction by global flood

When the flood of Noah was over, God made a promise to never destroy the world again by flood.

The rainbow in the sky was a sign of his covenant with those that trust in Him.

Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Isa 54:9 ¶ For this [is as] the waters of Noah unto me: for [as] I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

Isa 54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

This does not mean, however, that there may be local flooding in places.

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Revelation indicates the seas will be affected, but flooding is not mentioned.

The seas turn to blood when hail, fire, blood and stars fall into them.

It implies that sea life dies, not human life, although human life is affected by the contaminated seas.

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Destruction by earthquake

Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, [are] upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, [that] he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.

Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Hag 2:6 ¶ For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it [is] a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry [land];

Hag 2:7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

When does this happen?

Isa 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

** This is the 6th seal of Revelation.

Rev 6:12 ¶ And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

The heavens involved also at this time

Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.

Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast [it] into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Rev 8:12 ¶ And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great.

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Destruction by fire

Isa 34:8 ¶ For [it is] the day of the LORD’S vengeance, [and] the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

Isa 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it.

Joe 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

*** this is the 6th seal of Revelation

Rev 8:7 ¶ The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Rev 8:8 ¶ And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Rev 8:10 ¶ And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 16:8 ¶ And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her [Babylon] plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Rev 18:9 ¶ And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [city is] like unto this great city!

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Conclusion

While there may be local flooding events in the last days, there should be no catastrophic global flooding, from what I understand.

A pole shift, which appears to be a concern, would not produce quick massive changes, according to one scientist.

But how does Elenin/Nibiru/ Planet X affect the poles and stability of the earth as it passes? Is it a very large, hot star which could affect the magnetic poles of the earth and by sheer gravitational pull, tilt the earth and cause devastation? Will this cause extreme flooding also? I do not know. I am told it will.

According to the Bible, God’s judgment will come in the form of earthquakes and fire.

The fire appears to be coming from the sun and other heavenly objects, as well as volcanic eruptions due to earthquakes.

I can also see it in the form of nuclear blasts, if there is another world war.

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There is no proof that all will occur in 2012, either. So we must watch and wait.

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We must remember that God judges the righteous differently than he does the wicked.

So, if you are wicked, abandon your ways, trust in God, and Jesus as Savior, and live a righteous life.

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signed
Tracy Hodge

Matt. 3-11,12.I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Perhaps, when He is talking about, “…destroying the World with FIRE…”, He is “actually” referring to a “change” in “energy” (for lack of a better way to say it!). Remember, when these Scriptures were written, there was “no-way” to indicate the presence of “energy-fields”!!!

Such as the “Magnetic Fields” surrounding the Earth…as an example. However, in today’s “age”, would it NOT be logical to “deduce”, that this IS what is being referred to as “FIRE!” Remember, Jesus says, “…we shall be Raised to Heaven…Changed in the Blink of an Eye…receive New Bodies…and Live Forever…” The Mayan Calendar, essentially…says the same thing, that “…we will be Raised to the Next Level of Consciousness…”

Those that are NOT “prepared” for this, or are “incapable” of making this “change”…shall simply be “lost” (or “die”)…forever MORE! As Jesus put, “…consumed by an Unquenchable Fire!…” Those that are “lost”; or that do not accept Jesus as “OUR” Savior, will finally understand, just before they die! I do NOT believe, GOD or Jesus Christ, would “allow” anyone, not even Satan Himself…to “suffer!”

Without having to provide scriptural verse after verse to the contrary, I think the fact that Yeshua died the way that He did for us, is sufficient enough to suggest, that there will be sorrowful consequences for those that don’t make the decision to accept Him as their Savior during their life time.
According to God’s word, this is simply fact.

And, God Bless! You “over-looked” my first sentence, “…just my thoughts…” on this “thread(?)”…not MY “ideology!”. As I have NO “dis-agreement” with what you wrote! “MY IDEOLOGY” (per se), is based on “Scripture”, interpreted by, “Scripture!” Check out “Proof Directory” and you will better understand where I’m “coming from.”

Jesus, “…died for us…”, so that those of “us” who accept Him as “our” Savior…”WILL NOT HAVE TO DIE!” The “Scriptures” are very clear on this point, they (the Scriptures) do NOT “suggest” as you have said. AND, as you pointed out, YES! there will be “…sorrowful consequences for those who don’t make the decision to accept Him…” as the Scriptures indicate there will be a great “…gnashing of teeth…”, etc. AND, once again, the Scriptures ARE very clear on this point…also!

However, to “suggest”, that you “must” live a “lifetime” of be “goody-two-shoes”…well, the Scriptures are very clear on that point, also! “HE” died for “our” sins…for those of us that “believe in God” and accept, Jesus, as our Savior! Jesus came to save those who are “lost.”

As in the “…days of Noah…”, the floods came “swiftly!” Sooooo…how long did those that were NOT with Noah live for? That’s right! Only long enough to know they made the “wrong” decision, as they “cried out” with their “last breath!” AND, once again, the Scriptures are very clear on this!

How will Jesus return??? So how long will those have to be “sorrowful” for? The Scriptures ARE VERY CLEAR ON THIS POINT AS WELL! IF, you have the “faith of a mustard seed!”

“alienated”, the Scriptures say that “…these things…” shall be “sealed-up” until the “End Times>” When you use “Scripture” to interpret, “Scripture”, there are NO “suggestions” or “contradictions” of anything…it is very clear!

Let me finish with this question a Disciple asked of Jesus, “How can one be re-born?”

I’m not sure if you have some sort of trick question up your sleeve here or not? But I’m more than willing to answer your question based upon my interpretation. 🙂

The only references we have to go by within scripture regarding the process of being “born again” would be what Yeshua says in John 3 and by what is written in Acts 8.

Yeshua, while speaking with Nicodemus says, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3.

Then later on in the discussion, He further clarifies this message with, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” Acts 3:5-7.

The transliterated Greek word that was translated into the English word “born” is the word, “Gennao” (Strong’s # 1080) in a Jewish sense, it can be defined as, “one who brings others over to his way of life,or to convert someone.”

In Acts 8, where Philip went into the desert and ran into the eunuch of great authority from Ethiopia, after they had discussed Isaiah 53, specifically verses 7 and 8, Philip then explained to him who Yeshua was.
When the eunuch understood that Yeshua was the Son of God and that He died for the atonement of our sins, he requested to Philip if he could partake in this?
Philips response was “If thou believest with all thine heart.”
The eunuch answered and said , “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Philip then took the eunuch down to the river and baptized him.

So the process of being born again, based upon the scriptural references available, is to “believe with all of your heart”, and to verbally confess, that Yeshua is the Son of God the Father, and that by His death on the cross and the shedding of His blood we are now forgiven of our sins.
Then we are to be baptized, to symbolize becoming reborn of the Spirit, and a new creation in Him.

This completes the process of “Justification” and reconciliation with God through the Son. Then the process of “Sanctification” begins and that is a life long process all on its own.

I am with Dru, he said he would never destroy the earth by water again. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have floods or even have water completely dried up. The word says the river Eurphrates will be dried up and mountains will be moved out of their way seems to me that it could mean where water wasn’t it will be dispersed. Most likely by floods but the floods will be a part of what could be shaken will be shaken.

As far as the fires take a look at the fires in the middle east.

But there is one fire I love as spoken of here: Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Help me out here. I am troubled as I know most on this site are with the outcome of President Obama and his response to Israel.
Tomorrow with Congress should prove interesting, we hope.

Has anyone lately read Jeremiah 50:1-2,8-13, 23-24

This is the word the LORD spoke through Jeremiah the prophet concerning Babylon and the land of the Babylonians: 2.) “Announce and proclaim among the nations, lift up a banner and proclaim it; keep nothing back, but say, ‘Babylon will be captured; Bel will be put to shame, Marduk filled with terror. Her images will be put to shame and her her idols filled with terror.”

8.) “Flee out of Babylon; leave the land of the Babylonians, and be like the goats that lead the flock. 9.) For I will stir up and bring against Babylon an alliance of great nations from the land of the north. They will take up their positions against her, and from the north she will be captured. Their arrows will be like skilled warriors who do not return empty-handed. 10.) So Babylonia will be plundered; all who plunder her will have their fill, “declares the LORD. 12.) your mother will be greatly ashamed; she who gave you birth will be disgraced. She will be the least of the nations—a wilderness, a dry land, a desert. 13.) Because of the LORD’s anger she will not be inhabited but will be completey desolate. All who pass Babylon will be horrified and scoff because of all her wounds.

23.)How broken and shattered is the hammer of the whole earth! How desolate is Babylon among the nations! 24.) I set a trap for you, O Babylon, and you were caught before you knew it; you were found and captured because you opposed the LORD.

The hammer of the whole world is that the USA? Someone said it was and what President Obama is doing speaks to that. I don’t know if I agree with that, I think Russia might be the hammer spoken of but you all tell me?

I have a Baby brother who says we (the USA )is Babylon? I sure hope not or we have been kidding ourselves. But as I said before in Daniel the beast has wings and in Revelations it has none.

Is it that when this President leaves office and before that we as a people will return to our senses and start to serve our God with our whole hearts? Only putting people who are believer in the offices that lead and guide our nation. These are Words God gave me with another dream about Mount Rushmore and green gases coming up out of the ground over the faces of the Presidents making a cloud and in it was written in white cloud “IN GOD WE TRUST”. Earlier in that day I saw three babies laying on cracked ground they were in their diapers nothing else.

Before today I thought the dream met something else but now I think the Lord was showing the 3 whelps, he has had us from diapers, he said he knew us before according to the word. Does t that mean he is going to care for us as the Mother, I always thought so and hoped so. I guess I thought we could be messed up and leave God but I never dreamed he might dump us? I guess that was pretty arrogant on my part, I pray the Father will forgive me, I dedicate my life to him these days as I am sure everyone on this site does.

Do you know in 2010 we were the 5th wealthiest nation in 2011 we are the 9th wealthiest nation.

The united Arab emirates wasn’t even involved in 2010 but in 2011 they gained position of #8, how?

Do these numbers seem odd?

God gave me a dream last year and part of it was about a huge Carpenter ant setting in the Presidents seat of the white house.
The white house was covered in blood was station upon rock, but it was in black flood water and black rain was falling.
Two windows flanking the oval office had the scroll work torn away and the roof of above the oval office was missing. A black carpenter ant was setting in the chair of the President?

The bible talks about the house that Matthew 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

To be covered with the blood is good, I think. this to me is like the children of Israel against Egypt they put it on the post and the lintels.

The white house was taking a beating and was still standing. The two scrolls torn away was representing (I think) the Bible and the Constitution.

The black carpenter ant is one of the most destructive insects, unlike the ant that God speaks of in the Bible who lays up for the future. This ant destroys foundations and walls of a building? Black rain may signify that we have only black prayers going into the heaven for mecca and foreign Gods.
Is the God of Islam really the God Marduk or what group is it?
When people pray to God they get clear waters and good sailing.

I think the roof missing may mean that the mind of this ant isn’t in step with the people of our nation and that it is destroying our nation from the top down with its position and lack of faith and belief in God.

Why are we in black water and why black rain?

Think about it how were the sins of the people washed out the back of the temple by the priest in clean clear water always flowing. This symbolzes being cleansed and if we aren’t being cleansed, why? The sins of our nation have maybe reached unto heaven.

Making straight men live with Gays in the military when it is against the word of God. I do not hate those people but they have to deal with their issues with God. What about the blood on the land because of abortions? I don’t want to be blamed for killing babies because people having sex they shouldn’t have. I agree it is not my business, so don’t put it in my laws or on my taxes.

Let people repent for their sins before God as he taught us, right? If we have marduk in office I don’t know? But I know we have a non-believer and according to the word we have an antichrist. Can it get worse than that, yes if God destroys us because we do nothing about it. The word says plainly in four scriptures if you don’t believe in the Father or the son or the Holy Ghost you are the antichrist.

Prayers and praises going up to Heaven. Can the enemy shut up the Heavens from the Christians by putting unbelievers in office.
Jacob saw the latter of the angels they were ascending and desending into Heaven and Earth? there was a whole in the Heaven can and will God close up Heaven against us?

Someone help me out here? I am very bothered about this dream today and the things our President is doing. We have a year to deal with this man and get him thrown out and hopefully this nation can figure out how to make him a lame duck.

Does anyone know who is heading this new world order? Is the USA behind it or are we a pawns. Jeremiah is something we all need to be concerned about. If it is us the whole country is going to be laid to waste.

Rosa is from Canada and look at how many times she says her God tells her we are going to be burned up?

On a different site where people pray for other people, someone you may know as Phantom slayer took me and our country apart basically saying we are Caucasian insane people and use a couple of words from a sentence out of the Bible to build a case.

Well he was incorrect about that as I gave 4 verses from the Bible that said the same thing. If anything I am detailed and over detailed. It is why I am a good auditor for quality. I believe all of Gods’ children are made that way. I think it is
something he put in us.

Marianne can attest that I am not short on the word. Because I want to be certain that I make myself understood, does that make sense.

If a man doesn’t believe in the Father, Son or Holy Ghost you know he is of the Antichrist,that is word.

He said no American knows anything about the Torah; he also said we call God “Lord” and that means we are saying he is Baal who we belong to?

I responded by saying; well god is the creator of all things including the language he knows what we are saying and he tries the heart of man, he knows us? It bothered me but I think he may be a sick person.

Someone else said he had a chip and must have been a black Jew to act the way he acted? I didn’t really get that, I was hurt but for the word of God it doesn’t matter the fact is the word speak for itself.

Let it be known that he is not from the USA and he sad to say seems to hate us and evidently the Jews because I was asking for letters to the Congress to support Israel. He said to that; so what if the President was Muslim what if we put in Romney then we will be with another religion. So caution on videos and information from this gentlemen, my opinion for what it is worth.

I didn’t put this President into office and would not put someone who is a non-believer in to cover guiding our nation. To me that would be like putting a rapest to watch my daugther?

We I believe are the children of God, that England and the USA are the two pups of Israel. So we should have God fearing people in our offices and in our boarders and in congress and the senate and in the schools and universities. Am I wrong?

There has to be some way to get people who are not of God out of our offices. Christians need to be working as groups to put Christians in office.

The damage this carpenter ant is causing is bad; based on the dream from God, I feel God is saying he is not a builder but a distructor.

Read the description of the Black Carpenter Ant!

These are the carpenter ants and they can destroy the materials (structural wood, insulation, sheathing and so forth) that surround their nests. Thousands of dollars in damage can be caused by a single carpenter ant nest as it grows.

Beelzebul is known as the prince of demons. The name derives from the Canaanite ‘Baal’ meaning ‘lord,’. They say that word God called him means Lord of the dung which atracks insects?

Babylon is the woman who rides the beast. She is a city on 7 hills. That does not sound like America , except for the description that the kings of the earth gather there. The beast is middle eastern in origin, so the woman would have to be from that area also.

True, America resembles the woman a lot, and so do many other countries. So it is guilty also.

The one in the office sounds more like a termite, but I can understand the concept of the carpenter ant also.

While we may struggle to maintain a Christian presence in government, we also have to face reality that too much darkness is already in control.

There are 2 Lords…the real one who is Jesus, and the counterfeit, who is Satan.

Religion does make a difference in candidates. Romney is not out to destroy America, and actually believes Jesus is his savior. Other religions like Islam want to destroy then control America.

Pattie
As a builder, I have had many run ins with carpenter ants. The damage from them is mainly localized, as compared to termites who can affect large areas. As you said, they Nest and destroy the area infected, turning it to dust. While termites feed on the wood.

If this is something that relates to your dream, I do not know. to me it seems like this: The carpenter ants, which is like the Illuminati types, hang out and nest where there is power and wealth to be controlled. To see a single one is usually a sign that there are more hiding in the woodwork. A carpenter ant nest does not happen overnight, but comes with years of neglect from the property owners. They often leave a “facade” undestroyed, while destroying the inner parts of it.
So in relation to your dream, it sounds very much like the “power” of the U.S. is destroyed, but the damage to the country will be “localized” to the “power” centers of the country. The black rain could be the carpenter ants coming out of the woodwork when it is “opened” up. I have been on the receiving end of this “rain” and it is quite nasty, But once you discover the nest, you can treat the problem and repair the damage.

I do not know if this helps you out, but that is at least what my experience is with Carpenter ants leads me “see” in your dream.

In a “reply” comment above, I asked this question a Disciple asked of Jesus:

“How can one be re-born?”

First, this is “my” explanation, albeit, based on what I “understand” of Scripture. Therefore, for those of you who already “know” the Scriptures, I needn’t reference the passages; and for those of you who do not…well, find it for yourselves, DO NOT take “my” word for it for I “am NOT” God!

Of course we cannot go back into the “womb!” However, when Jesus said He Will return and “…raise us to Heaven…” and we will be “…changed in the blink of an eye…”, and “…receive new bodies…”, is He not “describing” the “birth experience???”

After all, when we are “born” into this world, are we not “changed” in the “blink of an eye???” And, when the Scriptures refer to the Earth being destroyed (or changed, really), is not the “world” that we “lived-in” (within the womb), destroyed upon “our” birth into this world? hmmmm…I just “realized”, that we enter into this world, from a world that gets “destroyed” by “water?”

I see what you are trying to say, but the physical and spiritual do not always represent each other. I am not convinced yet that the world will be destroyed by water, due to the promise in Genesis not to do this again. It will be destroyed by fire. So you could compare that to the holy spirit i suppose.

Actually, the book of Revelation describes a new earth “with no sea” at all. This implies a shrinking of the earth so that only land remains. The tectonic plates would slide back over each other and all the continents would be touching, as in Eden. If this interpretation is correct, the smaller earth would spin twice as fast, and time would change. Interesting thought.

Hi Marianne! You’re right, the Scriptures do indicate a “New Earth” with no sea at all! And as I was discussing with a friend of mine earlier today, perhaps it is not “our” world at all??? Or at least, not the one we “know”??? For when we are “caught-up” and go to Heaven, perhaps this “New World” is actually in, “Heaven!” WOW!!! Isn’t that a “wonderful” thought???

If we continue to “think” as “man thinks”, then all is “doomed”, however, if we think as Jesus “instructs us”, then “we” are all saved and will enjoy an everlasting life in Heaven!!! As for me, I “try” to follow the “teachings of Jesus Christ” and “Pray for His Guidance in ALL My Thoughts and Ways…Amen!” and for everyone else in this world!

I know the reference to Isaiah, but the question here is WHEN does this happen? If it is anytime this year or next, then the tribulation is cancelled, because everyone will already by dead by drowning.

The field failure over the next few years IS the tribulation. The oceanic floods will be coastal (ie not everyone) and occur at the end of the field failure (the wobble time). It becomes apparent that the field will fail half way through the tribulation which is why Satan knows his time is short. The question really is when is this field failure visible/apparent? (Is there a Warning??)

I understand this nibiru is a firey red star / comet / planet that will be passing by and disrupting the magnetic field. It is high in iron content, which explains the “red wings” it has. They expect it to grab the north pole and shift the earth in the direction of the nibiru.

A sudden magnetic pull in a different direction on the earth would make the oceans slosh around possibly.

So this might be the warning…to see it in the northern skies. Currently it is in the south hemisphere coming this way, from what I understand. I wonder why it does not affect the south pole, but maybe it is the wrong charge.

Or maybe this planet is just a warning sign, with nothing happening, and something else will happen later.

The Warning is something that is seen in the air, everywhere in the world and is immediately transmitted into the interior of our souls.

It will last a very little time, but it will seem a very long time because of its effect within us.

It would be like fire. It will not burn our flesh, but we will feel it bodily and interiorly.

The Warning appears like two stars — that crash and make a lot of noise, and a lot of light — but they don’t fall. It’s not going to hurt us but we’re going to see it and, in that moment, we’re going to see our consciences.

Is not cutting the land asunder as it says in Jeremiah about the flood. If you cut something asunder you cut it in half. Couldn’t it be the New Madrid fault line. The maps you post show the ground being cut in half top to bottom, right?

The women you speak of as the harlot. She is the church who broke covenant and went after the devil for power to bring forth healing and copies of the real miracles by using the witchcraft of Satan.

But is she not riding on the economical system of Babylon? So she is not necessarily in the same place where the economic system or part of the world monetary controls take place. It just means she is in bed with them, right? There is only one nation that is also a religion.

According to Augusto Perez he said he had a dream of the distruction of the Vatican and that it will be this fall he believes based on the dream. He said then the church will setup the new location in Israel in the Temple. Can they be called the hammer? But he also said he saw us nuked.

They say they order the world around but can they be called the hammer?

According to Jeremiah when it speaks of the Hammer, it sounds like where the control of the world comes from. As in the old days spoken of in Daniels dream, Rome, Babylon Assyria. Only one was the power of both religion and economics and that was Rome.
So does it not stand to reason that the two could be in separate places today.

It speaks of the Hammer as if it is the dominating policing power of the world and unfortunately right now that is the USA.
Did Benjamin Netanyahu appear somewhere else for help.

Did God possibly find Hilary’s actions in France with giving guns and money to thugs offensive? Could God be angry at us and see us as the hammer. God set sup and God sets down according to the word. Was she acting as a hammer at that time for a super power without concern for Israel?

Is it us and is it the New Madrid fault zone that will kill millions and destroy the remaining portion of the economic system of the USA.

Regarding Mitt Romney, he is a mormon. They believe that Jesus christ exsisted as a Prophet. They believe there is a God. But the measuring scriptures are they or are they not these;

I John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not ofGod: and this is that (sprit) of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

II John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

I John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist he denies the Father and the Son.
I John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

I John 5:7-8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8.) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Can it be made any simpler. One who speaks out of both sides of his mouth is as the Antichrist? Yes or no

I am not sure what you mean abut the termite. When Job questioned God he got upset. I have gone to God about the dream more then once. The first time was the barley harvest/feast, meaning his return for his bride was the reason of what coming in the dreams. He told me also to look at the working ant he puts away and the sluggard. He basically said also because of the sluggard these things must happen.

Many Christians are just that they don’t want to work on their faith and if something is confusing they don’t want to deal with it but we will still be held accountable to an extent because he said you can believe a lie and be damned.

So when he made it clear in the dream that it was a carpenter ant setting in oval office seat, it was what he met. I only know the name because I looked at photos. I also know that Marduk is Beelzebul. He was named such as God turned him in
dung. Insects are a part of Demonic and witchcraft powers. All we have to do is remember what Moses and the children of Israel went through to know it is truth.

Now the game is on, Benjamin spoke before Congress and our President went to see his cousins in Ireland? He has one year left. Is it possible that we are on cruise control in this black flood water.

I wish some other people would also pray about this dream and the things I posted. The power of prayer changes things but God
also expects us to put feet to our prayers. So if we ask him to change things if this is our course we must be as Christians willing to plan to help change things. The 24 people who made a covenant for this land were up against it also.

Also if we are nuked won’t all things surrounding and electrical systems burn.

When, John F. Kennedy, was President, YES!, the U.S. “was” the “policing” power of the world…”bar none!” Since then, however, the “Vatican” and “Illuminati”, have exercised the “powers-of-wealth” through the Swiss banking system, to exert control over ALL the governments of the world! Make NO mistake about this!

YES, the destruction of the “Twin Towers” was by the U.S. And, for a “minute”, it did stop “world inflation.” However, we now have several “players” on the field. The “Chinese” have a “whole lotta’ wealth” coming to the table very soon! The “Muslims” have Obama in power over the U.S. The “Illuminati” have their “own” sources of wealth. Just as the “Vatican” controls most large amounts of “money-laundering” for terrorists and drug cartels.

Remember, when the Scriptures speak of “Israel”, it is speaking of the “House of Israel”…not necessarily the country of Israel. I am not saying the country does not need our Prayers, but for the most part, “they” are holding their own at the moment (albeit, thanks to our Prayers also).

There is one saving-grace amongst this, and that is that the Chinese are leaning, more-and-more, in the direction of “Christianity” than any other group of people today! “(True) Christians”, as a group, are thee “meekest” group in the world today, and does it not say in the Scriptures that the “meek” shall “inherit” the World???

“I” have the faith of a “Mustard Seed”…which is the smallest (meekest?) seed in the world…however, it “cannot” be crushed…just as my faith cannot be crushed!!!

I just got a thought also. Remember when the Rachael stole Labens idols. What happened? I dreamed about the current President taking office about 14 years or so ago. He had black young men tracking planets and doing things he ought not. You bring idols of marduk to the white house and you would see why we are in black water. The Devil is all opposite of God.

This nation never was a christian nation from the beginning. The people that came over from Europe were trying to break away from the Catholics but they never came into the real truth once they got to America. They were all among those who are ever learning and never able to come to the truth and that is how they remained. No one came into the truth, that is why the Presidents were all deceieved and why you had that dream about the green gas coming up from the earth. Locust come up from the pit. What comes up from the pit? The devil does. The green words IN GOD WE TRUST is showing that everything these presidents do is all fake and of the devil. The God they claim to trust is false, it is the antichrist. IN THE ANTICHRIST WE TRUST it should say, that is their God.

As far as God destroying America, the bible says that if there are just a few real christian are in it that it won’t be destroyed. I know of at least 7 people in my family that know the real truth. It’s going to be up to God what happens to America. But let me tell you this, America as evil as what it is, has allowed the woman from Revelation to live in its land. All other nations probably would have killed her. So America has that much going for her! The freedom of America allowed the woman to come into the real truth and live. I don’t support what America has done, it is very evil but so is every country in the whole world now. At least America let the woman live so she could do the will of God. I don’t see any reason to single America out, I really don’t. At least America let the woman live.

I don’t look for America to be destroy totally, maybe locally like someone above said in a post.

It also doesn’t matter if Ameica turns against Isreal or not. All the other nations have and they aren’t judged for it. So why should America be?

The deception from the people who are ever learning and never able to come to the truth is extremely great. It has almost covered up the truth, but it wasn’t able to because a few people learned the real truth. Their lies go on and on and on. You can see it in the lives of our “famous” president that we put up on a pedestal like Thomas Jefferson, claimed to be such a good man but had children with a slave women. How many are in Congress and presidents now that claim to be christians and have for years yet they can’t seem to stop abortion? How can a president claim to be a christian but stand by abortion? By their fruit you will know them.

It’s all good and fine what you talk about here, but I doubt that you will figure out things this way. The mystery is in the woman that Revelations talk about, I believe. They probably are real woman, there’s probably a real evil woman out there somewhere. I look to the EU’s high representative, her name is Ashton. Could be her? Also there is a real Godly woman too that is here, the woman from Rev. 12. What these things are that are being discussed I don’t know. I don’t know what the harlot woman on the beast is. A large part of what she is are the false churches and ALL the false religion over the last 7,000 years. I know that. Evidently the false religious people got involved with the economies of the world, just like the false churches of today are n bed with the government. I mean, look at the Catholic church, how many have cried out and said they were sexually abused by priests. Yet does the world do anything about it? No! The governments are interested in the money these false churches generated, it’s big bucks! That’s your harlot woman riding on a beast! The false church systems over the years mixing with governments, greed, greed, greed!!!

WHat about what happened to the chief of IMF? I was wondering if that was one of the 3 horns plucked up? I heard they want to replace him with someone who thinks more like the New World Order, hmmm. That sounds familiar.

Japan has now revealed that 3 nuclear reactors have meltdown, this is one of the seals. It will make 1/3 of the rivers bitter eventually. It’s here people. The tribulation is here! Probably in the next 7 months will bring in the antichrist, then there will be the last 7 years totally the number of years of Israel’s existence in these last days to 70. It’s making total sense.

Hey! pretty good…your interpretation of what is going on, or should I say, “…has gone on!” At least you are honest enough to say, “…you really don’t know…” “IF” you want to “further” your understanding of Scripture, please do not take anyone’s “word” for anything! Look to the Scriptures for interpretation of Scripture. The “best” place I have found is “Proof Directory” (fyi…it’s non-denominational).

“churchie” lol NO! Not in the least. It is a “website” based on interpreting Scripture by using Scripture for interpretation! And a “forum” to discuss whatever is on your mind or you have questions about! Their answers are based on Scripture (to the best of their investigation) rather than “Religious Beliefs” of any kind!

1) The true church meets with people that are filled with the Holy Spirit. The churches we have around us today are literally filled with demon possessed people that think they are christians. The churches we have today are fallen away. The apostles would never have dreamed of going to churches like we have today. They would tell us to stay out of them.

2)The gifts of the Holy Spirit are real and all gifts function today. Every gift functioned in the early church.

3)Tongues is just one gift and not everyone speaks in tongues, the bible is clear about this.

4) In the early church you would not have found a woman pastor. God showed me this. There is a reason why all the disciples were men.

5)The people were always together in the early church many times all day long, week after week. It wasn’t the Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night the churches normally get together today.

6)The church functioned as a body, it wasn’t this one man stands up for a boring sermon. I doubt the early church was boring at all.

7)I call myself sister because that is how they talked to one another in the early church. They greeted one another with a holy kiss many times. They had a much more intimate relationship with one another than what we do today.

If anyone else is interested in searching for what the early church really did, I encourage you in that laboring of doctrine. It’s taken me 3 decades to learn what I just typed above.

What about theology? I am pretty much in agreement with your criticism of the churches, Many are merely country clubs, with a certain set of rules for membership. The early church was led by elders, not priests or popes, and the elders were chosen by their humility, and not their Charisma.
Theology, however, is the thing which they shared in common. It was a simple faith, in which they believed, and tied them together. Speaking in tongues, and other gifts of the spirit were secondary to shared belief. That is what I am asking from you.

Sorry are you a sister in the Lord or a sister sister as in a Non? I ask as I don’t know your back ground. I have agreed with you on a post but I have some issues with the comments here.

I would like to discuss them if we may, I read pm one of your other post that your knowledge was limited.

I am not trying to state that I am a professor either. But the word says we should study to show our selves approved before the Lord.

Please help me to understand why you believe your comments below?

“This nation never was a christian nation from the beginning. The people that came over from Europe were trying to break away from the Catholics but they never came into the real truth once they got to America. They were all among those who are ever learning and never able to come to the truth and that is how they remained.”

The bible is very clear that people get in this cycle of “ever learning and never able to come into the truth”. That is how most people are today. It’s easy to see signs of it throughout the history of the United States. Men who wrote our constitution but yet you hear they were Free Masons. They would write very godly things in the documents of our government but live lives that didn’t bear the fruit they should. Presidents that went out to their slaves and had children with them while they were married???? Presidents that supported slavery. And these were suppose to be Godly men. A nation that can have IN GOD WE TRUST on all their dollar bills but kill millions of babies for 40 years???? Abortion? Can’t even stop partial birth abortion and yet 90% of our Congressmen proclaim to be christians??? The bible says you will know them by their fruits.

It’s quite plain to me that the people who were running away from the Catholic church to escape persecution from them only came about 80% into the truth themselves. They got into America, failed to find the real truth and that is why the churches are in the fallen away state they are today.

Hey! The bible prophesies that we are going to understand all this in the end days and we are beginning to do that now. This isn’t hearsay, this is the real truth I’m declaring.

The women in Rev. 12 was the only one, I believe, in our whole nation and the history of our nation that found the real truth. That’s why she is so special, clothed in the sun, crown on her head.

Not meant to bring something up for you… Long ago, there was no white in this Amercia… It was Indians whom I believe had the long line of history connected to Irseal background… different ways but similar background in belief… British came.. and started to kill and done terrible things.. dare to stated that they are Christians… from the beginning.. that is my strongest belief..

The Cherokee Indians of the USA are from Jewish roots. This is the reason the Cherokee were white skin that burned and blue eyed. They are the linage of Jacobs roots and that is why they and the Irish have red hair.

The Cherokee had temples drawn on their war shields they kept the same feast as the Jews, they sacrificed animals the same way, they kept the eternal flame going.

I did not learn these things on my own but from the group and a Rabbi who is involved for many years in putting together which races the Jews are in and what are the common names that were taken. They are trying to find all of the roots. The children of Israel a large portion will continue to go home. We know 1/3 rd of the earth will be destroyed for hating the Jews.

The thing that get me is it is God who is calling the shots and man claims he reads his Bible but choose to ignore who the Jews are to God?

God is going to punish for dividing the land and how people have treated the Jews. The diaspora caused his people to be spread all over the earth. The Bible says you have to eat it whole, all of it and some parts are bitter or sour but they are fact. God is the “Great I Am”. What did he say to Job, he doesn’t like being questioned, he likes communicating but not our questioning his authority.

Not that many know about it, I am surprised you do. Even though I am shocked every day by it, you are right.

Yes many of the English were like that but not all, I have Cherokee Indian and English blood on my Fathers side.

But have you noticed the Menorah on the back of the dollar bill?
Do you know why it is there, or did you ever question it. Not everyone who came here was barbarrian at the gates.

If we would teach true history our children wouldn’t hate Gods children. It saddens me every time I hear people speak as if they hate Israel. There is actually one faith that pretty much teaches the children that the Jews killed our Jesus so we should hate them? All of the times disregarding the word of God.

I don’t think the people are killed in the tribulation for hating the Jews. I think they experience the wrath of God because they hate God.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with speaking the truth. If you go to the bible it says there that Pilate wanted to let Jesus go, but the Jewish people didn’t want that, they wanted him crucified. A gentile king, Pilate, sentenced Jesus but Jesus said that Pilate did not commit the greatest sin in that whole thing. The ones who delivered Jesus to Pilate were more guilty.

Unless you don’t believe the bible??? Are you saying the bible doesn’t say the right thing?

Seriously I’ve had my hands full just figuring out about the fallen away churches and trying to get a real church started here at the end. I’ve had very little time to labor in doctrine in the Old Testament books about Israel. Sometimes when I try and figure out what is happening to Israel my head swims, quite frankly. But I think it is a fascinating subject. I’ve always had a great love for Jewish people even as a child. I would often see my own father rant and say horrible things about the Jews. I always stood and wondered, almost covered in a peace from God, when my father would go into his rants about Jews. But I myself always love and cared about them deeply.

As the years have gone on eand I’ve got to read about what the Jewish people have done in the bible it is very disturbing to me at times. I almost hate to read about it in the bible. Since the bible tells me that I am not to really talk about the Jewish people, I won’t. I won’t talk about their hard heartedness down through history.

I’m trying to find out if I might actually be Jewish myself. I’ve learned that the Amish are Jewish. I’m from the Amish. I find it ery interesting that God kept the Jewish people in the Amish belief (although the Amish is a false church) pure because Amish can only marry other Amish, so the pure Jewish bloodline was kept over the years and I find this absolutely amazing. My great grandfather was Amish and I did marry into a family that had just left the Amish church. So the bottomline is that it might be a posssibility that I am Jewish and never knew it.

If anyone has any list of last names from Amish that are Jewish I would love the link to it.

Amazing! The women of Rev. 12 could be Jewish???? What a fulfillment of in the latter days Israel would return and fear God!!!!!!

Well, Judas was Jewish. So it still goes back to Jews handed Jesus over. But I do agree it was the hour of darkness and Satan was behind it all.

Pilate would have let him loose it was up to him. Pilate really developed a “fear of the Lord” during the trial, I think. Pilate really believed Jesus very possibly could be the King of Israel. Certainly God spoke to Pilate’s wife through a dream about Jesus during that time. I read a book once that said God giving Pilates’s wife a dream, was God’s mercy reach out. Pilate hung a sign on the cross saying that Jesus was King of the Jews. I see a real fear of God developing in Pilate in his questioning of Jesus, but evidently it was quickly snatched away because he went ahead and allowed Jesus to be crucified.

I can share something with you.. and am not ashame to share nor fear to hide… My bloodline is rather haywire except I do knowledged of my history… I am pretty much mutt in blood lol… England, Iceland, Greece, Sweden, Switerzland, Viking ( not sure but more related to Finland ).. and a very rare Indian bloodline from the Amercia northeast between Canada and USA.. Indians used to live in high mountain and having white skin and light colored eyes.. some blue.. some green.. And…let’s see Scotland related to the oldest McCampbell bloodline also.. I wish I could know more but my uncle have the entire record in his own book.. HOPE someday he can have time to send me a copy 🙂

I love history…only funniest thing my mom ever said to me is…” I know you as my daughter…but I can never understand how your mind works..your mind is more like fantasy world that does not belong to this world “…. I just smiled at her. Reason for her to say it only because I did remembered how I was alike growing up…questioned my mom on everything as ” Why would people build so many houses and pushing animals out ???”
“Why would people depends on cars ??? What is wrong with having horses that wouldn’t cost you as much as car would??”
“Why would everyone use many things that seem so unnessecary??”

On the bill dollar issue.. I have seen many things on coins and money… and I never understand money nor do I like them.. I am blunt to a fault when it comes to a questioning lol… Honest, I hate money… Money itself is what causing people blind… and not realizing that government in fact are stealing people money that they have in life insurance…. ANYONE whom have 100,000 life insurance or way above million dollars in it… Then yes, the banks whom are under government will take that money as a theif… and give it to government.. not letting any families have the money… Small wonder how people would go nuts.. I do feel for everyone..

I wish sometimes and somehow… I would love to gather and create media for people like those… to clean that blast lying white house OUT.. or… have everyone STOP using money.. and start helping each other …. with NO MONEY… Just be there for neighbors.. and even strangers… it is the love of giving and sharing.. *thinking* ….Very similar to Indian ways… They hunt to help others who cannot hunt… and they trade things and much more…. WHY CAN’T people see it that way ?? That is my wondering….

I never liked government… I can’t trust them no matter what they do or say… I just more like ” Oh…ok. If you want it that way.. it is your problem.. not mine” and walks away… because I just have trouble with people nowadays.. Believe me, everyone judge me ALL the time because they consider me ODD… or weird … When I say things… They would consider me insane.. It doesn’t bother me one bit.. 😉

Anyway, you don’t believe that we once were angels.. I have not forgotten that subject hehehe… *smile* YES some of us were and still are even we are NOT aware of… I am aware of myself inside and outside.. it is important that everyone learns to know thyself inside and outside.. weakness and strength… love and hate… how to balance it.. it helps to reduce overboard thinkings that can grind the brain like if it runs in 100 mph nonstop…

We can talk about angels someday… I am being told it is not the time yet.. because right now people are too focus on “blames to place on others that truly themselves they need to look at ….

Big hugs to you… and do not be surprised by anything no more.. I am not surprised at people or anything anymore… I learned to try to understand each one of them without judging.. 😉 Which is not always EASY to do lol…

* sheepish look * About angels.. wrong person … LOL gosh.. my mind must have wandered because my heart says things.. yet my mind does not pay attention to my darn fingers talking ( typing ) .. Forgive me 🙂 It was Leatherneck who said that doesn’ty believe in human being angels.. not you.. LOL.. here my hand and you can swat on it 🙂 I have no object but knowledge my error lol

I was wondering how and where you came to understand that humans could be angels? Could you support that idea with biblical scripture for me about that? I would appreciate hearing about it, cause I would have to say that I would agree with Leatherneck on that one.

How can you be the women as the women is the church/Bride? Do you mean you are apart of the Bride of Jesus Christ?

Are you girls from the same place and if you are amish how do you get to use a computer, they don’t use electric?

When you speak of hating the government; We are to pray for those who have charge over us.

The Jewish people were told that faith and relationship of the Gentiles to God and the government rested both on their shoulders.

Government is a necessary and good thing in times past. But know matter who it is if it is contrary to the word of God you should follow the prescribed word of God before anyone or anything else. God has never gone against the government if it be inline with word of God he didn’t have to. But it they tell you to take the mark of the beast then you should run and not do so or you won’t be able to go to Heaven. If you don’t understand that you should be asking questions about it first.

The things you say about money are true to a sense, the Bible says money is the root of all evil. But this was not the point the point was that the money of the Jews built this country and you shall not hate anyone and neither should anyone else or we can’t go to Heaven.

Honey were we once Angels? Absolutely not! Do you know anything about the Bible? Where do you live? They have special abilities and they are wicked, as the ones who are good never lost their place. That means they never mixed with women.

The angels are a different being. Are you trying to tell me that your Mom had a relationship with a fallen angel and that is how you got here. That is the only way that could have happened and that time is past. It is called the time of Noah and it is the other side of the flood. Those angels had their wings clipped so they can not go around flying and God neutered them so to speak. He made it that they can no longer a procreate.

If I were you I would not even joke about that, if it were not true and he spared not the others why would he spare you when he already condemned the fallen angels. No there is not such being and God is coming and that hour and day we know not but we know that the earth is groaning in labor pains and that which can be shaken is shaken. Don’t let the devil think you don’t mind if he occupy you, wake up from your stupidity. Don’t tempt God.

You offend people with some of the badgering, we will give account for every word let us remember. The amish are not given to gibberish? Where are you really from? I have know problem bringing the good news and or helping correct one for preparing for the kingdom of heaven, but don’t talk against the kingdom of God that I can not tolerate.

Again all conversation to be true must have some root in God and his word because all things come from him. The word basically says that God made that impossible after satan and his followers defected and you can be nothing but flesh and blood unless you are computer program as you do not speak as a human being of feelings but of adventure and foolishness.

Kim if your father was amish why would he hate the Jews?

You can not hate anyone including Gods chosen people and personally I wish you all would go and wash your mouths and your brains from these thoughts. You can do so with prayer to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, as the enmey of God and us is I am afraid is speaking to you that you would believe it is ok to hate and you can loose your soul if you are not turned around

Very interesting insight.. First of all, I am sorry if you take me in the wrong way.. People always took me in wrong ways.. which I am not surprised and used to it. Secondly, I am not sure what makes you think I definately hate people.. It is not people nor people in government I hate.. It is the buildings itself and people doing enough corrupting and lying to feed everyone fake hopes.. Pardon me for being blunt.
Secondly, My family line came from Irish, Scotland, Welsh and England.. Flee from there to Canada and USA thru the boat on my mom’s entire side of family.. They fled from there is because of England foolish king wanted to take the Ireland and Scotland lands… *shrug* So I have been told.
Thirdly, I born deaf and never really reared by my mother about bible.. She does not explain much to me.. I only learned this thru Sunday class chruch at age 13 years old for the first time… Curiousity sparked life in me… and I saw Jesus face to face during my study… at that age 13… that memory never fades.. it stayed with me.. and still does.

I do NOT set any against God.. If I make ANY errors with HIM.. I confess with HIM ..it is between him and I.. not you or anyone else.. He delights in everyone who would talk to him and pray secertly… but does not delight in people who go to chruch and pray together every Sunday… He would prefer it as everyday…24/7…*sigh* Wow… tsk tsk…
I do not take any light on anything that relates to God.. If anything is new to me.. I explore it shamelessly to learn.. and to understand.. and knows and trust in God to provide me the understanding in his due time.. not mine..

Look, you can lecture me all you want.. but each one of us all are different in God’s eyes …Uhm, I have a flesh father I can thank him for giving me to my mom.. but.. it is between him to face God himself.. because ya see.. He abandoned me at age 2..left me alone with dirty diaper..and stole everything from the place including the money my mother worked so hard to save for my hearing aids.. and LEFT me alone in the house with NO supervisior …. Eh… THAT kind flesh father dared to tell me that he was an ex priest.. I just cannot accept it because to me, he is pure evil.. stalked my mother.. encouraged me to go against my own mother.. and encouraged every men to believe HIS lies ????? against me so everyone called me names… WHAT KIND MAN IS HE ???? So don’t tell me if I have done wrong against God.. I haven’t… If I have done wrong.. I will KNOW and talk to Father in Heaven and even Jesus Christ instantly..

I am NO bride… I do not know why you think I am any Christ bride.. I ain’t at all.. nor do I ask for it… Not my choice.. that I understood and accepted. I also accepted the real fact that I would die.. either send to hell.. Will I curse God for sending me to hell ? Impossible…because I accepted and understood that it is NESSECARY… if God choose me to go to heaven.. I will be delighted.. but I cannot build on hope against hope.. It is unreality… Reality is… accepting the real truth… especially from God is all I need.. I love the way Jesus said… ” Verily, Verily, have a good cheer for I have overcome this world ” .. That is most important key to me.. I guess…

Now, probably your right.. let’s see… my mother entire family is Baptist … and my *shuddering in distaste* flesh father that I rarely every consider him as such one.. *clear thoart* and his entire side of family are Christian… Pardon me, that man I can forgive but he have to have the galls to come to me and apologize for everything plus especially for lying and stolen my firstborn daughter… plus for stalking my mother and me.. uh.. ugh! I am not kidding.. I always asked my mother if she got to be joking that I have THAT KIND OF FATHER IN FLESH ???? She confirmed it is so.. *shrug* So….

No, I do not expect myself to be perfect or such a thing.. none.. I love people.. but HATE what they ARE DOING.. that’s so simple to understand.. does it? I do not need lectures… from people.. everyone wants to shove everything at me…with their weapons in many different ways.. and do I let them change me…or make me crawl and beg them to give me mercy ?? Heck no… God I will crawl … Father in heaven I have entrusted my children in HIS HANDS… I entrust myself in HIS hands.. That is enough for me.. maybe NOT ENOUGH for anyone else anyway…

I pray someway.. someday, you will have your eyes opened… by seeing the real nature HE creates.. NOT by government that nowadays I do have a problem with.. currently.. in past I do not have problem with government nor do I have problem with following rules… but I sure heck do have a problem when government keeps up lying til the tree turn rotten and ready to be chopped off..

*sigh* Some call me demon…some call me angel…and do I listen ? no..I didn’t believe it… I asked God since a child…” WHO DO I BELONG TO??? YOU FATHER IN HEAVEN OR DEVIL???” I have not been paying attention to signs for years.. til I got older.. and received.. uh.. the Death with that wicked long hoe I think ?? Can’t remember the name of his weapon… in dream…he saw me seeing him that no one else can see… He got uncomfortable having me to watch … so he came to me face to face and told me very clearly… ” Go back… You are God’s child and you are not suppose to be here “… I challenged him right back.. ” So ??” as if I am daring him to try authority over me knowing I will fight every step of the way… d

Enough for one day for me.. Forgive me, for my inner fire is burning hotter… in kind way but also in anger knowing I have been judged for abousate all wrong reasons….I frankly am so tired of that … So… I am sorry to bother with you altho… you have a nice weekend and be safe.. many blessings… * walks away…completely ingoring any more judging people *

You can support Leatherneck opinion.. it is NOT my place to give anymore… it is UP to you all to find out on your own terms which is not good idea.. should have ask God to show you the way instead… Take care…humbly apologize for my aburptness.. Not good timing. Have a good weekend. Many blessings.

I am very sorry as I see I hurt you and did not mean to. There are so many people who hate today and it is troubling. I am glad along with everyone else on this site to communicate the word of God to the best of my ability.

Everyone who claims Jesus Christ and what he did and set themselves according to the Bible will be the bride on Christ.

I noticed I put two names on there someone was claiming to be the women of revelations which is clearly the bride of Christ.

Why do you think God would want to send you to Hell, God didn’t make hell for man but for the fallen angles.

I love the Lord the Jews and all people. If I came across harsh I am sorry. Please forgive me, your response brought tears to my eyes. We should all be striving to go to Heaven. I am sorry I just now saw this response.

I feel ashamed that I responded the way I did. On the other hand if we have issues that affect our faith we should try to correct them. By speaking with others as Marianne answered above.

Listen Tamera every child belongs to God unless he makes a decision to be for satan and it is a choice. It sounds like to me that you love the Lord. Please for give me.

I can see I hurt you and opened old wounds and what was written was not all to you. But I don’t want to hurt anyone. Some times people come to respond and they are just goofing off and acting as if the word of God or the study of God are not serious.

Well if it helps I don’t know? But it brings me to the conclusion I felt. If the White house was covered by the blood and the storm was raging and still standing that God has a purpose for us and will stand by us.

The carpenter ant anology makes sense and it explains to me why Marianne said termites but it was not Thank God what he showed me.

The carpenter ant also bears witness with Hosea chapter 7 saying that Ephraim has strangers who are devouring her strength and that she doesn’t even know it. A Rabbi told me not all of Hosea 7 pertains to the tribe of Ephraim but to all of Israel.

He said we are the nation who consumes the most wine, I checked it is true today. We are a nation that is like a pancake on one side we are white and on the other we are burned black.

A strangers is also an aliens, maybe it is our President? why did he provide another birth fake certificate-one this time with 50 layer mask? He makes things appear by his behavior that he is a stranger in our mist and that his parting or destruction is around the corner?) He has devoured our strength, I would say if his purpose was to destroy our currency then he maybe did a pretty good number. I am glad to hear you say that you don’t think we are down for the count. Please read the entire chapter and comment to me after. Remember the Jewish Rabbis’ who study the roots of the 10 tribes say that Ephraim is USA and England is Manesseh. I believe this was revealed to me by God years ago.

God also said,we are like the dove silly and without good sense calling to Egypt and going to Assyria.

The Rabbis’ also said that they believe part of the scriptures of chapter 7 belongs to all 10 tribes.

We are 63 years into Israels (the fig trees) birth, leaving 7 years total. The thing I find odd about that is that right now there is 3 years and 9 months remaining to the year of 6,000. According to the word we are to be entering the 1000 year Millenial reign.

Pattie
I do not know what our destiny is here in the U.S. I know this much, the leaders will see God’s wrath. We the people need to be ready for His return. That mean’s spiritually ready. It is time for us to start laying up treasures where it counts. As for the tribes of Israel in the U.S. and England, I do not know. The Lord will work that out in his own time. As you know, the dates I believe to be later than what you wrote, so be ready in case the bridegroom is delayed, and do not slumber. I definately see the signs of the approaching storm. Is it this year, next, or 10 years from now? We will see.

I live in the Heartland of the USA, the suburbs of St. Louis, Missouri. We have never had such an insect here. I understand that this locust eats the crops. They say it destroyed South Africa.

How can it get here but that God permit it to come.

I keeping seeing little ants that lay up. I don’t know if God is putting before my eyes, that we should lay up food that we not starve for our remaining time til we go home.

I want to go home, God couldn’t come soon enough for me. I don’t understand people, it is as if they know God is coming but they keep on drinking wine and live like they don’t need to make themselves ready. It is like a bride who is getting married in two months has no dress and has no preparations but has invited 500 guest? It is madness. How does one tell the people of this nation to stop fooling around.

I am so worried for our country, all who practice idolatry, witchcraft from all forms of religious whoredom

Do not feel bad.. I understood the struggle and frustration..and much more. You do not need to ask me for forgiveness .. I have no reason to be cruel nor hating you because of your misspoken words. 🙂 Do not worry on my account. I am still alive and breathing… * twinkle eyes with humor smile *

* serious look * … Do not worry about current because nowadays.. it is up to people to accept or not accept the words of God.. nothing is ever.. easy to be honest. So much hate… so much confusion, so much harrassment, and much more than I can put in.

Flood is in the past.. and God gave us his sign of promise never flood again.. but.. this time I have been showed in different matter… It will be fire… We all will not feel it.. If people would not run away when they see the fire.. extremely huge.. that reminds me of the end movie of ” Knowing “.. similar.. I might be wrong.. all I see was fire.. so many times.. and I just happily run into fire with no fire.. not knowing why.. I felt all the way to my soul.. yet it comforts me knowing I chose the right thing to do … than run away every time God send signs or dreams..

Maybe I am wrong.. but never hurt to check and recheck it.. to make sure it is correct.. I can accept errors.. and not ashame to check the mistake with God to have me stand corrected.. 🙂

I love you, Patti.. I love everyone spite of everyone’s unique personalities that I adore to explore and to understand and marvel how God create each of us so differently.. yet the harmony invisiblity is so same.. That one is something I can never explain except God.. and his only beloved son is best at it 🙂

Big hugs to you.. and now you know I hide nothing of my history nor do I hide my current. I do drink is to numb my mucsles.. I no longer can take any pills.. any kind 😦 I am allergy to medcianes.. so I only had to live on one thing that I never thought myself to be in.. is Cannibal medicane.. * sigh * and am I happy about it ?? Abousately NOT.. but it helped although.. it is coming from nature growing rather than chermcial pills that can ruin the body instantly or effect on different immune system..

Am I ashamed ? At first, heck yes I was.. and I had to share the shocking new to my mother.. it freaked her out.. * chuckle lovingly at the memory of her reactions*… Believe me, she would get right on lectures unto me.. lol… but I showed her my skin and how my skin reacts badly to anything that is man made.. * sigh *.. so she accpeted the truth with her own eyes.. I cannot lie to my mother..even tho I miss her dearly spite of long distance..

I am raising my 3 kids.. as best as I am able.. am I great mother ?? Ehhhh… to be honest ??? Not really in my own opinion.. They adore to give me hell in their own weird ways.. yet I knew it is their love in their own language ways.. and I understood and tried my best to encourage them all the way without back down… I also taught them NOT to be ashame to admit their mistakes EITHER..

Some…times, I wish I am like hearing people who can talk without misunderstandings.. but.. that is how God created me to be and how to overcome those.. Forgive me… I am only laughing at myself.. and at my memories knowing I am NO perfect.. I learn every day nonstop.. no one can ever stop learning til we stop breathing on this earth.. and beyond this death.. I believe God have his for us also.. until He finish his plans as he laid it all out in bible.. then we will know the rest and peace..

Am I troubled ? Definately yes.. am I perfect? Heck now * laugh * Heck heck no way.. why ? Because of my very strong willed spirit and so is my strong stubborn mind.. whom those will not back down from no one.. except God and his only beloved son that I can bow and submit.. but no one else.. That alone is something I can never explain whys or such. 🙂

Brides ??? I read about it.. BUT do I myself ever CONSIDERING to be one ? Never. I do not consider myself worthy.. nor do I consider myself above either.. I believe within my heart that poorer people and anyone who been judged wrongly have better chances and I pray they would be blssed… eh.. blah.. pardon me for showing my true soft heart spots for weaker ones… even people or animals that I do …

Hun, You are forgiven.. I do not hate nor hold you in hatred at all.. Just deeply hurt that you missed something there even tho I do KNOW deep down that you are also blessed as well 🙂 That is something I do not want to see those taken away from you..
I do not want see any of those taken from others also if they disobey * sigh *… I remember once…. only once…..very important key.. I do not know what it is….

I see 2 twin mountains… huge….
I also see two huge books lean upon its mountains….
I see on the left is fewer who are blessed and receiving the life book… and…
I see on the right is so many people that will.. *sad look* be sent to hell…
I see between those valley of twin mountains is the brightest star yet I see a man that cannot be seen in his face…
I received the fire written before my face… tested me from within if understood HIS language that I have NO knowledge….
It wrote faster and faster til my mind and soul cannout take it… very overwelmed and can feel his beautiful powerful loving yet strong warning..

He knows I CANNOT hold my tongue long.. He knows that I would ask everyone for the answers.. If he did NOT want me to… WHY show me in first place that I do not understand ??? 🙂 I occasionally bugged God for answers sometimes.. lol.. Forgive me for my humors… It is my second nature of being humor but serious at the same time … ( which I always hated that part.. people can never take me serious because of my personality and looks that makes people think I can never be serious )

Anyway, I said long enough for one day.. got plans to complete before I can sit down and talk… and learn!!.. 🙂 Big hugs and you need not to apologize.. I always gladly to share something about myself reared and not ashame of experiences nor being judged by others.. I am not afraid.. all I yearn is.. to ride a horse and disappear into sunset.. and appreciate God’s touch everywhere.. 😉

Is it that you can not bridle your tongue or is it that you don’t have a spirit of fear? The Lord said we weren’t given a spirit of fear.

For all of us if the enemy is able to make us say things that make us insecure, or give him an opportunity to attack us he does so if we permit him.

He is running a vain imagination on you. God loves you and all that you are, not just a little. God doesn’t want cowards for children but conquers through him.

Kick the enemy to the road and tell him in the name of Jesus Christ you reject his lame words and negative thoughts and tell him you cast his thoughts and wickedness to the place it came from the pits of hell never to return and be received again, in the name of Jesus Christ.

If the negative and wicked thoughts about your self show up again, tell him you have it on the highest authority that he is wrong and that God loves you and all that he made in you. Tell him the Lord God rebukes him in the name of Jesus Christ and that you are going to tell your Father in Heaven who is going to deal with him. Pray to God in Jesus name and it will be gone.

Change your thought patters, don’t become full of pride on anything other than you are save by faith. Speak all of the blessing words that are in the covenant of Abraham as they belong to a child of God.

Be filled truly with Joy. He make you to lie down in green pasteurs he leads you by the still waters, even though you walk through the shadow of death you will fear no evil, because his rod and staff are with you, he prepares a table for you in the presences of your enemies and he annoints your head with oil, he makes your cup to run over and goodness and mercy to chase you down all the days of your life while you dwell in the house of the Lord forever in the name of our Lord and savior Jesus Chris.
He rubukes the enemy as soon as you speak it, he sends an Angel on the way to stop him. Who could love you more than God? None.

Be blessed Tamera, stay in the word study with the site. Marianne is always at work doing the Lords will.

If you get down and need prayer let me know I will pray with you about a need or for you.

Be Bless
Pattie

for he does just that, just think as you write. Write you words on your word pad and then after you are satisfied with them put them on the site. Maybe that will make you feel better about what you wrote. But God doesn’t run us down, People run us down. That is why I am sorry to see that you were not goofing about the Lord but were speaking truly from your heart.

Bluntly, you are losing me… because first of all, I have NO SENSE of fear in life nor in death.. Why shall I fear those silly demons who seem to adore to chase me since birth ? Nearly killed me in my sleep ? Yet my guardian angel woke and save me from the death sleep which I would not be alive today…

No, I do not fear enemies nor do I fear the demons.. I taught my kids to stand up to them.. and knows their weakness and strengths that they cannot overcome me nor my children. I made sure of it. I am just unusual person among my family. Ya see, … They are very tight lipped on many accounts.. I am only one who dares to speak up with no fear…. Will not back down either.

I love Almighty God.. and I also love his only beloved Jesus Christ…that alone tresasure is enough to me.. Not the things you see on the shelves in store to purchase.. something is NOT for anyone to BUY…. it is HIS to give freely in his love..

Thank you for the advice.. and I do know what you are talked about.. Been there and done that… I should have died before I was born.. yet I am still here…
Should have died in pnemounia three times in my life.. yet I am still here… and breathing..
Should have died in serious brain surgery…yet I am still here…
My mother got freaked out long before I took the risk…
She begged me not to take the surgery… yet I did take it… and told her very honestly…
” Mom, I love you… I know you are worried.. If I am still here, you will know why… If I am no longer here… you also know why.. it is all in God’s hands.. in HIM I trust what is best for me.. HE alone knows’…. It brings tears in her eyes.. She can never understood me as her own daughter.. She KNOWS me.. yet KNOW me not…
* quiet smile*
Life… is something to experience…
Death is… only asleep…

There is abousate NONE to fear… NONE… except God’s wrath I do fear and understood it is an abousate nessecary….

I love you like I love everyone else… none can accept the mind boggling ways ..that seems so out of human being thoughts and beyond… *sigh*…

Hun, I thank you for your advice… there is no need further to worry about on my account, dear.. for myself made a choice long ago to put myself in God’s hands and let him do his will rather than my own.

My tongue speaks three languages in sign languages and most consider me an odd who would be willinging to learn an Indian sign language, English sign language… includes to Spanish sign language.. did I ask for it ? No… It just seem so natural to me.. to communicate with others who is so different from us. *smile *

Anyway, I am no coward in either physical nor in spiritual for I am in both worlds…war with demons.. believe me, I wake up covered in bruises and sometimes waking up with sore muscles that I had to use welding my sword to fight all the way.. I do not give up, dear.. It is not in my dictionary to give up. Coward itself is not in dictionary either in my mind nor heart…

All in my mind and heart duty is to protect the others than my own. I request none for myself.. but make me smile and feel good to protect others… especially in spiritual world that I seem to know and understand so well for over years since birth.

Demons hate my guts.. bottom line. Because I often laugh at them and stand confronting them with no fear.. They knew who I am.. and hating me for knowing their secerts.. *sigh*

Pattie… I know enough and rarely ever wanted to talk about myself.. but for some reasons, you seem like to drag it out of my mouth.. lol.. not that I am complaining.. because I kinda have a keen sense that it will happen somewhere and somehow..

Big hugs to you… Much more people are needy and need help.. than I do. 🙂 Let’s focus on them and make sure they are guide toward Father in heaven.. and make sure they knowledge Jesus Christ as the son of Almighty God.. Most cannot accept that fact… I can easily.. because he showed me himself once.. shocked the heck out of me..
His memory… his showing up to me once.. is very very precious… like a jewel to me.. and that is enough…

Anyway, I am NOT a morning person.. ugh!! I must have been sleeping at an odd hours!.. lol… You have many blessings and I will keep you in my prayers for you and your husband.. I believe with all my heart you two are fighters like me.. 😉

May God guide you thru the difficult times and overcome everything else.. Many blessings upon you and your husband.. Much love. .

Hopefully! And I mean that in a “good way!” Hopefully, it will be the beginning of new age for the human race in general and we will ALL be “raised” to a higher level of “consciousness” as the Mayan Calender says!

Yes, Marianne! I agree with you…to an extent. The fear before was that of the NWO, Illuminati, etc., and not that of “Islam.” It is now clear, however, that “Islam” and the NWO, etc., are ALL one and the same…or at least, it looks that way to me!

“ISLAM” is a “CULT!” And, needs to be abolished, everywhere in this world! “WHY?” are “WE, the People…” so ignorant of “Islam” and “Shariah Law” as we appear to be??? “WE” allow our government to defend and promote their “cult” at every turn!

When will “WE, the People…” finally open their eyes and see “Islam” for what it really is???