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PROPOSAL: 10-year limit for Lancashire coach and taxi tyres

VEHICLES which provide a service to the public such as coaches and taxis should not be allowed to use tyres that are more than 10 years old, according to Lancashire County Council.

Councillors unanimously supported a notice of motion proposed by County Councillor John Fillis, cabinet member for highways and transport, at a meeting of the full council.

He said: “I was fortunate enough to meet Frances Molloy, whose son Michael was killed when a 19-year old tyre blew out on the coach he was travelling on to get home from a music festival.

"When she began to tell me what had happened I suddenly remembered the incident – three people were killed, and it was one of those tragedies that sticks in the mind because the reason it happened was so wrong and easily preventable.

"Although the tyre was so old, it was not illegal as there is no legislation in the UK which gives an age limit to any tyres on vehicles.”

County Councillor Fillis will now write to the minister for transport making recommendations to make sure older tyres are not allowed to be used on vehicles like coaches.

Comments

Surely you mean one year. My car is lucky to do 25K miles - that's less than a year , on decent makes, too.

Surely you mean one year. My car is lucky to do 25K miles - that's less than a year , on decent makes, too.burner

Surely you mean one year. My car is lucky to do 25K miles - that's less than a year , on decent makes, too.

Score: 6

wilddog
7:01pm Wed 21 May 14

Your joking aint ya? The miles these vehicles do? Should be max 6 months!

Your joking aint ya? The miles these vehicles do? Should be max 6 months!wilddog

Your joking aint ya? The miles these vehicles do? Should be max 6 months!

Score: 3

Stone Island:
8:49pm Wed 21 May 14

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.Stone Island:

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

Score: 5

Copperhead
9:53pm Wed 21 May 14

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.Copperhead

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

Score: 2

Malthus
9:58pm Wed 21 May 14

Stone Island: wrote…

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

In answer to your statement " how can you have tyres more than ten years old?" If you have and maintain a vehicle that does very few miles then due to a lack of wear and tear there would not be a need for new tyres. Perhaps all vehicles should have the lntegrity of the tyres scrutinized in order to ascertain if they have worn out to the point that they need replacing.

[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote:
They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.[/p][/quote]In answer to your statement " how can you have tyres more than ten years old?" If you have and maintain a vehicle that does very few miles then due to a lack of wear and tear there would not be a need for new tyres. Perhaps all vehicles should have the lntegrity of the tyres scrutinized in order to ascertain if they have worn out to the point that they need replacing.Malthus

Stone Island: wrote…

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

In answer to your statement " how can you have tyres more than ten years old?" If you have and maintain a vehicle that does very few miles then due to a lack of wear and tear there would not be a need for new tyres. Perhaps all vehicles should have the lntegrity of the tyres scrutinized in order to ascertain if they have worn out to the point that they need replacing.

Score: 0

HarryBosch
10:20pm Wed 21 May 14

Stone Island: wrote…

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

It's not a c*ck up as you say SI. If you recall the incident, it was found that it was common practice, when commercial vehicle tyres came to the end of their tread life, they were vulcanised - essentially a fresh band of rubber stuck around the old tyre and then retread. The reason being to save money on new tyres, commercial tyres of such sizes cost a fortune new. So hopefully this idea will be introduced thus making tyres safer. I really don't think there is a problem with taxi tyres as nobody I know uses vulcanised tyres in that industry. Taxis use ordinary car tyres and as such the costs are nowhere near those of the commercial vehicle tyres.

[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote:
They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.[/p][/quote]It's not a c*ck up as you say SI. If you recall the incident, it was found that it was common practice, when commercial vehicle tyres came to the end of their tread life, they were vulcanised - essentially a fresh band of rubber stuck around the old tyre and then retread. The reason being to save money on new tyres, commercial tyres of such sizes cost a fortune new. So hopefully this idea will be introduced thus making tyres safer. I really don't think there is a problem with taxi tyres as nobody I know uses vulcanised tyres in that industry. Taxis use ordinary car tyres and as such the costs are nowhere near those of the commercial vehicle tyres.HarryBosch

Stone Island: wrote…

They shouldn't be allowed to use VEHICLES, more than ten years old, never mind tyres. In any case, how can you have tyres more than ten years old? I suspect another LT c0ck up here.

It's not a c*ck up as you say SI. If you recall the incident, it was found that it was common practice, when commercial vehicle tyres came to the end of their tread life, they were vulcanised - essentially a fresh band of rubber stuck around the old tyre and then retread. The reason being to save money on new tyres, commercial tyres of such sizes cost a fortune new. So hopefully this idea will be introduced thus making tyres safer. I really don't think there is a problem with taxi tyres as nobody I know uses vulcanised tyres in that industry. Taxis use ordinary car tyres and as such the costs are nowhere near those of the commercial vehicle tyres.

Score: 3

BuckoTheMoose
7:26am Thu 22 May 14

There's a lot of tyre experts about today

There's a lot of tyre experts about todayBuckoTheMoose

There's a lot of tyre experts about today

Score: 1

rudis_dad
8:42am Thu 22 May 14

Copperhead wrote…

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-233
20526.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.

[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote:
Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.[/p][/quote]You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-233
20526.
Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.rudis_dad

Copperhead wrote…

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-233
20526.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.

Score: 1

Copperhead
1:51pm Thu 22 May 14

rudis_dad wrote…

Copperhead wrote…

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-233

20526.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.

I forgot that !
But what's fatuous about my comments re- tyres ?
New PCV tyres do cost an arm and a leg - costs WILL go up if they are changed more frequently.
Retreads ARE illegal on cars, but not PCVs.
Tyres ARE remoulded more than once.
Perhaps the law should be changed to prevent more than one remould or to make retreads illegal.
But these changes WILL increase costs - be prepared !

[quote][p][bold]rudis_dad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote:
Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.[/p][/quote]You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-233
20526.
Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.[/p][/quote]I forgot that !
But what's fatuous about my comments re- tyres ?
New PCV tyres do cost an arm and a leg - costs WILL go up if they are changed more frequently.
Retreads ARE illegal on cars, but not PCVs.
Tyres ARE remoulded more than once.
Perhaps the law should be changed to prevent more than one remould or to make retreads illegal.
But these changes WILL increase costs - be prepared !Copperhead

rudis_dad wrote…

Copperhead wrote…

Tyres over ten years old ???
Is that a typo ???
A public service vehicle ( i.e., a bus ) will do anything from 50,000 miles a year to as much as 100,000 miles a year. No tyre will last for anywhere NEAR that sort of mileage, let alone 10 times that amount.
Perhaps the Councillor should do a bit of research before demanding changes - I have a feeling that the vehicle with 19-yr old tyres was probably running on retreads ( which are illegal for cars ) or even remoulds which had been recoated more than once.
Also - a music festival ? Was a service bus or a private coach - or was it some old " love bus " like the hippies drove around in during the late 60s ?
And if anyone thinks bus operators are penny-pinchers regarding costs, be aware a new tyre for a bus or coach costs £500.
So if fares go up ( again ) to help cover the cost of more frequent tyre replacement, you know why.

You clearly have a very short memory - the incident described happened in July last year to a privately-chartered coach which was travelling from Bestival on the Isle of Wight to Liverpool. It was all over the national news - http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-233

20526.

Perhaps YOU should do some research before making such fatuous comments.

I forgot that !
But what's fatuous about my comments re- tyres ?
New PCV tyres do cost an arm and a leg - costs WILL go up if they are changed more frequently.
Retreads ARE illegal on cars, but not PCVs.
Tyres ARE remoulded more than once.
Perhaps the law should be changed to prevent more than one remould or to make retreads illegal.
But these changes WILL increase costs - be prepared !

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