If you're going to make shiat up, don't half-ass it. Renovating a 15+ year-old college shower has nothing to do with the Sandusky rapes. If you're going to go so far as to imply the renovations are related to the child rapes, at least have the balls to say its to remove Joe Pa's DNA from whacking off around the corner.

Lsherm:Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.

Tommy Moo:Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.

After a weekend to cool off about this I can say that the renovation wipes the slate clean. PSU had done more than enough with this gesture, and can now look to the future with a clean conscious. WE ARE!

Tommy Moo:Lsherm: Yeah, seriously, the thread about the statue gets canned but THIS gets lit? WTF?

Maybe they can put in rape buttons.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.

WhyteRaven74:If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.

Sadly, the boosters are still pouring in cash and (at least to his credit) Tom O'Brien is going at ludicrous speed away from this. Since the NCAA probably doesn't have the balls to say what you suggest and have PSU honor the scholarships and have the transfer retain all eligibility and waive the year that they would have to sit out, could they at least throw them out of the B1G? At least then they lose their chunk of the $1 billion or so research grant they all share.

/5 years of bowl games and some scholarships being taken away won't cut it.//Neither will reversing the results of previously played contests.

Like I said in another thread: my bounty currently stands at $100 on the statue. Other Farkers can feel free to add to that amount. If it gets high enough, someone won't be able to resist smashing the head off the thing.

Im in for another 50.

/I'm just serious

I'd prefer to see someone cover Paterno's head in an American flag like soldiers did to Saddam's statue before tearing it down. But I'd be cool for another $50.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.

Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.

Thank you. I farking hate the excuse 'it could happen anywhere' people are using for Pedo State. But there's no farking evidence it happened anywhere else, which is why we're talking about Penn State. And even if it did happen anywhere else, I doubt any other school's coach and admins would be so callous as to disregard rape victims for years and cover it up. PSU would be off the hook if Curley, Spanier, Schultz and Paterno had done the right thing over a decade ago and reported it. I hate this cliche, but this is a classic case where it's the cover-up and not the crime itself that's going to fark PSU for years.

Ken VeryBigLiar:WhyteRaven74: If the school had any sense, they'd shutter the football program for a couple years.

Sadly, the boosters are still pouring in cash and (at least to his credit) Tom O'Brien is going at ludicrous speed away from this. Since the NCAA probably doesn't have the balls to say what you suggest and have PSU honor the scholarships and have the transfer retain all eligibility and waive the year that they would have to sit out, could they at least throw them out of the B1G? At least then they lose their chunk of the $1 billion or so research grant they all share.

/5 years of bowl games and some scholarships being taken away won't cut it.//Neither will reversing the results of previously played contests.

There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

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there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I know. I read the comments beneath it.

FTC

On today's campuses, one of the most damaging accusations that can be made against anyone in authority is that he/she is a homophobe. Perhaps Joe Paterno could not sort out the difference between pedophilia (taboo) and homosexuality (celebrated).

steamingpile:Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.

As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.

The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

foo monkey:If you're going to make shiat up, don't half-ass it. Renovating a 15+ year-old college shower has nothing to do with the Sandusky rapes. If you're going to go so far as to imply the renovations are related to the child rapes, at least have the balls to say its to remove Joe Pa's DNA from whacking off around the corner.

Maybe do some research before accusing people of making shiat up?

"The school intends to remodel the football team shower and locker room area as a direct result of Sandusky's crimes, university spokesman David La Torre told The Associated Press on Friday."

Cinaed:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Cinaed: I'm more interested in what the REST of the major sports schools are doing right now.

PSU stands in the unfortunate position of being an example for what I halfway suspect has happened at a lot of other places, to a lot of other kids, over many many years.

Unfortunate? This may have happened elsewhere, but Penn State COVERED IT UP! Big difference.

I'm guessing there are others where cover ups have have taken place.

Were you the captain of the point-missing team? I would be happy to be disgusted with any school that chooses their own self-interest over a child-rape victim. However the only one in the civilized world that has been proven to have actually pursued this course is Penn State.

Those farkers betrayed their players, the Penn State students, the community the school is based in, and most importantly those farkers betrayed child victims of rape. Rape rape.

I used to admire Joe Paterno and the Penn State program. The lack of team names on the uniforms because they were a football team, the championships, the leadership. JoePa and his cronies shiat on all of that when they decided to enable a monster to run amok in society.

velvet_fog:And even if it did happen anywhere else, I doubt any other school's coach and admins would be so callous as to disregard rape victims for years and cover it up.

THAT is BS. Honestly, at least PSU pretended to be clean, which is probably half the reason why people are so pissed. You think a school that openly doesn't give a shiat would be more ethical? As scummy as it turned out to be at least JoePa cared about appearances. You think a school like Alabama, where football is basically a second religion that excuses everything from oversigning to a long storied history of scandal, would blow open its entire program over a few kids? That's hilariously naive.

Don't pull punches on PSU, but don't make this out as PSU being something exceptional, either. What's so terrifying is that PSU was supposed to be the exception. It represents the ceiling for FBS ethics, not the floor.

Mind you this isn't a "so vote Republican" defense of PSU. But while I said in an earlier thread that PSU football is "too big to fail" (as in every single defense of Wall Street that was soundly rejected by the public is now pathetically being used to defend a culture of sexual abuse), it may very well be that college football itself is too big to fail. Honestly, I have zero confidence any big FBS program would do any better. None. Not even my alma mater. Because at every single damn turn, all I see is that football is "too big to fail".

steamingpile:There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Pavia_Resistance:steamingpile: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.

As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.

Well I don't believe the 20% birther number, maybe you should say people that are truthers on 9/11, moon landing people are bat shiat insane though, maybe let buzz (or was it john?) punch all of them in the face.

I was in an office where the guy is a known PSU alum and big football booster in the metro Atlanta area and his secretaries are after him to take down all the PSU/joepa memorabilia. He refuses to take even one piece down and his office is wall to wall PSU shiat, even pics of him with joepa and sandusky.

Ken VeryBigLiar:steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

steamingpile:Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

steamingpile:Pavia_Resistance: steamingpile: Weaver95: Paris1127: Seems like as good a thread as any to post this:[blogs.thetimes-tribune.com image 600x482]

there are a LOT of PSU folks who *hate* that political cartoon.

I'm amazed any PSU fan can even think about defending him now, after all the people have found out he had a direct hand in the cover up of a pedo.

Some people take their school too seriously.

As a PSU alum I don't get it either. Then again, we live in a country in which 20% of the population are birthers, people believe the moon landings were faked, etc. despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, so maybe it shouldn't be all that surprising. People will reject reality and substitute their own when facts aren't what they want them to be.

Well I don't believe the 20% birther number, maybe you should say people that are truthers on 9/11, moon landing people are bat shiat insane though, maybe let buzz (or was it john?) punch all of them in the face.

I was in an office where the guy is a known PSU alum and big football booster in the metro Atlanta area and his secretaries are after him to take down all the PSU/joepa memorabilia. He refuses to take even one piece down and his office is wall to wall PSU shiat, even pics of him with joepa and sandusky.

A lot of PSU people are in denial about this happening.

This is why I simply cannot let go of the idea that the DA in the first case might have been killed over the Sandusky Scandal. Some fans are just way too fixated on the football program, and after seeing the support Paterno still enjoys, posthumously, after all the evidence has been revealed against him, leads me to believe that some of these idiots would consider such measures, and possibly even follow through with them.

People have been killed over far less than the millions Penn State's football program brings in. Children have been raped so that JoePa could get his "legacy" and Penn State's program could march on untarnished.

A couple of fresh thoughts... is it possible they ALLOWED Sandusky to use the facilities to rape children, to better CONTROL the situation? They may have hoped by keeping it contained in their facilities, they could prevent it from leaking out?

Second fresh thought... it occurs to me, in the event the first DA "disappearing" was not an accident or an unrelated event, perhaps the reason a second DA didn't "disappear" was that it introduces a pattern that could not be ignored?

I can't rule out either, but I'm not entirely convinced either thought has enough substance, either. IT's just sticking in the back of my head, a troubling thought, like I was channeling Columbo, scratching my head at things that don't seem to add up (or perhaps add up the wrong way).

steamingpile:I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

As a Michigan fan, I can (frustratingly, at times) say that as much as UofM's football program is "big" - it's not the most important thing to the university; that is to say, no player or coach is above the law. RichRod brought down the gold standard for a few years, but even that was mostly extra practice for the players. Players have been sent packing (Forcier, for example), and even the great Bo Schembechler had to deal with the debate of having "too much power". His assistant coach scandal was Gary Moeller getting drunk at a restaurant, and took place after Moeller had become head coach.

I like to think that there is enough integrity in Michigan's football program, that a scandal like the Sandusky thing would never go as far as the first incident, or that rumors would be looked into even sooner. I do believe that is the case at most schools, regardless of the size of their stadium or the success of their programs.

Carth:Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

Can't sue the state, who "owns" the school. The victims are SOL on this count.

Michigan is just like every other big sports school. Those in the program are protected and the list of perks is long. That's just reality. It's an enormous industry that generates hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the school.

Carth:steamingpile: Ken VeryBigLiar: steamingpile: There is no cause for the NCAA to impose the death penalty, they protect scholarship athletes what the.school does is its own problem and they have to suffer the consequences.

I will tell you how far off base you are in thinking they deserve the death penalty, Stephen A Smiff on ESPN says they should get it and he's a farking moron.

I didn't say Death Penalty, and Bob Costas said this morning this need to suspend the program for at least a year, if not more. Again, taking away scholarships, banning them for bowl games for a few years and/or vacating wins from previous years won't discourage other programs from this sort of behavior.

Suspending them for year is the death penalty, that's what SMU got so its not an option.

Taking away scholarships and banning them from bowl games does discourage this since Alabama had that happen and they sucked for a decade after they were sanctioned. I do think some schools put too much emphasis on sports programs, PSU being one, Texas is another, along with bama and florida, USC, and 2-3 others in the big 10 come to mind. And I mean they cover up shiat that most of us would get kicked out of school, fired from a job, or face jail time over.

Does the NCAA need to do anything? Won't the civil suits bankrupt the program once they start?

The only people they can sue are those involved and maybe the booster program but the school can't get sued.

barneyfifesbullet:Michigan is just like every other big sports school. Those in the program are protected and the list of perks is long. That's just reality. It's an enormous industry that generates hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the school.

You have to fark up large and in public to get slapped.

The thing at PSU doesn't compare. It's on it's own level.

I wasn't saying they weren't important... but I think most schools do make an honest attempt to follow the NCAA rules. That doesn't mean there aren't "perks" for student athletes or that the occasional mischief might be overlooked.

As you say, PSU's infractions were at an entirely different level. It all starts with Paterno's "redirection of discipline" for his players; getting a DUI at Penn State means getting a crappier practice (only benched if the team really doesn't need the player), where most other schools, Michigan included, that player would have to face whatever legal discipline he SHOULD face, along with public team punishment. Paterno "kept it in the family" and that attitude was for his benefit and the benefit of the Penn State football program; and that carried over to the Sandusky Scandal. I think that is part of what allowed them to keep this under wraps for 14 years - and why the football program needs to be exorcised with a season or two of suspension. It is a glaring example of how wrong the attitude can get, and the cancerous tumor was allowed to grow and metastasize for 45 years.

In the end, we learn that Joe Paterno, far from being the font of integrity his fans make him out to be, was the root of the problem. It took 10 year old boys being raped in his locker room by his assistant coach to expose the festering problem.

ChrisDe:The artist that painted a Penn State mural removed the halo from Paterno. Who the hell paints a halo on a football coach? Even if this scandal never happened, this shows how farked up things are at a football factory school.

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well there's your problem right there. penn state put a halo on a football coach as though he was a saint for winning a few games for a few years.