When any major story is swimming in contradictory details, vital to the truth of the narrative, most people will fill in the gaps... for example:

Who actually witnessed Adam Lanza leave his Mothers house, arrive at the school and enter the school itself?

This is like a game of contrarian chess... If there is no picture/video of Adam Lanza do not simply fill in the gap with your own reason.

The key piece of information which allowed the police to "Identify" this now dead, mass killer is the Id he was carrying. But the DL was not Adams but was instead discovered to be his older brothers.

Now look at this on-line report:

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self

A mass murderer executed his mother with her own gun and then slaughtered 20 helpless kids and a half-dozen staffers in a ghastly killing spree at a Connecticut elementary school.

The savage shooter never spoke as he sprayed the Sandy Hook Elementary School with dozens of bullets just 25 minutes after the morning bell started classes inside the typically quiet one-story school.

One witness said Friday’s masked killer, clad in black camouflage, might have fired up to 100 shots in just two minutes as terrified kids cowered in classrooms and closets — and heroic workers hustled to keep them alive.

Music teacher Maryrose Kristopik was hailed as a hero for barricading 15 children in one closet, where they could hear the bloodthirsty Lanza screaming, “Let me in!”

These were not just a few journalistic mistakes, which led the reader (now quite horrified by the shock of the violence upon children and teachers) to make conclusions about the MOTIVE--- he executed his own Mother--- went to her school and killed her fellow co-workers and murdered children--- he said nothing and yet was heard screaming like a bloodthirsty fiend, "Let me in" and by this time the rational part of the brain had stopped and the emotional shock takes over.

Did this school have surv. camera's or not? This crucial aspect of real evidence either proves Lanza was there at the school as "DESCRIBED" by the official narrative or there is no conclusion possible. Do not fill in the gaps with excellent reasons or you fail the test of contrarian logic. Do not prove anything which is not substantially corroborated with well defined facts of evidence, which can be proven in a court of law. NO secret evidence is allowed and no presumptions of guilt are allowed either. Was Adam Lanza publicly convicted of this horrendous murder spree by allegations or actual evidence?

Why no serious crime scene photo's of Adams/Mom's house? Another report and note the glaring contradictions:

"Nancy Lanza, the mother of suspected school shooter Adam, was believed to have been killed in her classroom. But updates in the investigation say she was found dead at her son’s residence — she wasn’t even a teacher at the school. So horrible.

After Adam Lanza was identified as the shooter responsible for the horrific shooting massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT on Dec. 14, reports presumed that his mother, Nancy Lanza had been shot and killed in her classroom. However, CNN reports that Nancy was, in fact, found dead in Adam’s residence in Newtown and she wasn’t even a staff member at the school.

CNN’s Susan Candiotti reported that investigators confirmed to her that Nancy was found at the residence. “Earlier we had information that she was found in the classroom.** However, now I’m being told that in fact her body was found at the suspect’s residence,” Susan reported. “We don’t know whether she also lived there. We also don’t know the time-line – when was she killed? Was she killed before the shooting began at the school? These are the things that authorities are still trying to piece together---"

One more just to show some sources of info to be more consistent with the official narrative:

"Four of the tragic child victims of Sandy Hook Elementary School gunman Adam Lanza lived within short walking distance of the $1.5 million home the killer shared with his mother, whom he also killed." Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Be sure to check out the pic of the house---and the car on the tow-truck--- clearly there was nothing going on at the residence when the image was taken, but it seems odd there were no pictures of an active investigation even if only from say across the street. The sloppy, inconsistent information from many sources is fertile ground for drawing conclusions that seem quite rational and logically sound. Why it is perfectly logical to conclude Adam Lanza was a deranged psychopath and nothing else matters especially the motive itself.

When the false aspects of the official narrative are removed the conclusion is based on hearsay. What the media says or doesn't never changes the odd fact a media report is not admissible evidence. The investigation is well hidden at this point and way too secretive for no real reason. The investigators supplied the information IF NOT were did the false and mis-leading information come from specifically?

The narrative can also be summed: An unknown masked man, broke into the school and began killing innocent school staff and teachers--- he was wearing a mask--- nobody saw his face--- he was killing kids--- teachers hid kids in closets and bathrooms to escape the killer during his two-minute killing spree---at least a hundred rounds--- he never took off his mask--- nobody knew who he was--- he then killed himself and was found by responders to the scene-- who then took off his mask--- searched his dead body and found a drivers ID---- Ryan Lanza---

What conclusions are possible at this point in time?If they DO not know the ID is wrong WHY does his MOM become a suspected victim? Does the deceased look like one of the dead teachers? He is only twenty... do the dead teachers look old enough to be his Mom? Was there a Lanza ID on the desk next to one of the teachers now dead? What brilliant logical deduction allowed the guy holding the ID to suddenly conclude Lanza killed his MOM right there in the classroom? Or the other classroom? What clue led on-line reports to jump to the same conclusion? I do not see one single image of the dead body so I have no idea how such a conclusion is drawn from the facts as presented by the narrative. If nobody at that school had ever seen him before WHO identified him by the relationship as presented? There is a serious gap here between the facts and the IMPLIED allegations which cannot be ignored.

If nobody at that school had ever seen Adam or his MOM at this school why imply FOR any reason they did?

Without such "implications" there is no coherent Motive to be acted upon with such deadly, will-full force. Even if later on such allegations of the implied motive turn out to be false, the false motive has already filled in a crucial gap, one which is psychological--- he hated those teachers, kids and his Mom.

The fact is the investigators hold all of the cards here not the media. The crucial facts are blotted out by the confusion as a direct result from the with-holding of critical crime scene photo's and evidence... evidence the media does not have so it has to create the missing pieces with only the bare minimum of credibility.

An unknown assailant went into a school and murdered teachers and kids with no motive. He had a separate residence--- was it searched? No--- he had a false ID which had what street address? If his brother lived at home(back then) then the address is the Mom's not a separate residence. If not, there is no street/address reference, so was another ID found? If so, why not state he had say--- a library card, with another address and that led searchers to the 1.5 million dollar home and then, after searching the home, they found another dead body as well. By this example there would have been a more credible trail of discovery.

--"However, it was still not clear yesterday precisely what caused Lanza, a socially awkward loner, to snap, though detectives said they had found 'clues' thought to be emails, at his mother' Nancy's home on Yoganada Street.

Police said they had found ‘very good evidence’ they hoped would answer questions about the motives of the 20-year-old gunman, described by those who knew him as brilliant but remote.

And investigators said they found no note or ‘manifesto’ of the sort they have come to expect after other murderous rampages." Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

The connection back to the Mom is clearly quite important and is critical to the Motive, but once again the implied information is still missing. If not where have the e-mails gone?

Did Adam Lanza kill all of those kids and teachers? If the only conclusion to be drawn is only based on critical evidence released by the investigation--- crime scene photo's, shells, guns etc. why has NO such evidence been released?

Is it really that difficult to take a fairly sanitized image of the crime scene and release it the SAME DAY? One photo of a dead Adam Lanza released that day would have silenced the need for any further speculation period. In fact, contrary to the BS it would have actually allowed the resolution of the horror to be real. Without that critical moment of truth the actual result is to SUSPEND the tension as to inflict the greatest amount of emotional strain on the anxious public and actually DO MORE HARM.

Isn't it odd that Connecticut News 12 is a cable only news outfit. And as far as I know the only helicopter taking video that day.

To get to read their website it costs $4.95 a click.

I think they are part of the drill activity.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838

They're well known for being at the scenes very quickly with their helicopters... I've lived in Fairfield County my whole life and if the story's big enough they'll hop right on the chopper, not even sure where it would be kept at but I'm sure they're only a five to ten minute ride to the scene.

I don't believe they had many if any first hand witness interviews, would be interesting to do some digging.

News 12 Connecticut is on facebook too for those of you who'd like to investigate further.

I looked at the picture of Wayne Carver the coroner. Tell me he doesn't look like the FBI agent escorting Timothy McVeigh that is behind him and to his left. Height, face, eyes, and mouth are eerily similar. The photo is on Bing Oklahoma City bombing photos.

Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way

As long as you're not saying he's John Goodman lol.

With this guy, there is a much better chance.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30755225

Seriously, compare their photos and see if it is the same guy. The height of the FBI guy is what draws you to the comparison. I am sure these are copyrighted photos/

Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way

I looked and couldn't find it, would you happen to have a direct link to the pic?

I'm still trying to find the string of short interviews that contains the blurb by the three middle eastern looking me. It can right after another 10 second blurb from some other town person. This was on the 3rd or 4th day of event.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10777137

middle eastern looking men, speaking with accent

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10777137

I don't remember seeing anything from what you're describing but if you find anything please post, I'm sure anything can be of use at this point.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30755225

It's in the string of 'towns people' interviews that happened within the first days of the event.

Maybe they were just swarthy guys!! But, where is the GLP VIDEO DATABASE for this? Seriously no one saw an eye-popping 10 second interview shot that had three swaaarthy and accented men??...

Who's in charge around here???!!!??? haha

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10777137

Did you try multiple search engines for the videos....google, bing....youtube search on there?

Norwalk is about ttwenty mins away not sure if that officer was involved but good find!!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32465722

Yea, thought it was a strange little coincidence for that link to pop along the sidebar, when I searched for news on "George Uzar Sr."

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31272288

There is something about the 1/15 suicide of Officer Kenneth Cerulli that is really nagging at me. He was relatively new to the force, having been hired in 2011. During his time there, he was recognized for perfect attendance ( [link to www.norwalkct.org] I found another article where Officer Cerulli was commended for his actions disarming a suspect as well. New career, perfect attendance, recognition....characteristics of someone that would tragically commit suicide? We don't know what was going on his his personal life, so speculation is all there is. I feel horrible for his family.

And this:Kenneth Cerulli and Thomas Connor, charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm, reckless endangerment in the first degree, and Cerulli with a revoked pistol permit. Granted, this was from 1998. [link to news.google.com] however, I admit, I am curious why the pistol permit was revoked.

I'm still stuck on Robbie Parker...31 year old white guy, mormon from Utah, married since he was 21, medical professional, three kids...SPEAKS CONVERSATIONAL PORTUGESE with his daughter? Why Portugese...hardly a 'popular' landuage to just pick up...has he been/lived there...does he have Portugese family members...why was he teaching it to his small children...something just isn't 'kosher'???

p.s....his press conference was just bizzare, too! I'd love to see his passport...or SAG card!

addParkers facebook pictures of his housematch the real estate listing photossome even taken from almost the same spots and position as themwith some minor differences and no signs of living there as of the pictures being taken and posted on FBcept his are jan 29th 2012and the house didn't get sold till april 2012bought fully furnished? or posting pictures of someone elses stuff in the house he hasnt bought yet?rented it first??

i posted a thread about it but no one seems to be able to come up with an answer.. in my own research over night Im thinking it has to do with some kind of issue regarding server time and mobile company/phone app time all mismatching.. However, as i sifted through 100's of tweets and times, trying to figure out just how many hours out these times were, I came to the conclusion that about 2 hours must be the discrepency. This still puts the shooting at around 9am and all over by 9.30.. However since starting this search, the times keep changing, now tweets i have screenshots of dont match up when i go back and run through the actual tweets on the page.. very strange indeed..

This was from the newtown bee reporter who was one of the first reported on the scene, there are actually about 3 photos of these evacuations that ive seen and yes I thought i saved them, now they are disappearing from my files and they not showing up in searches anymore.. im staying on it though, printing it as i type

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31744715

very good point.

also not surprised the pictures are disappearing.. i think i know one of the other two you're talking about..the one with the woman and officer running out with the little girl in the middle?

and i'd also like to know how a lot of the mass media got to the school so quickly... news 12 is a local station and NBC Connecticut, although a MSM affiliate still had a local news station i'm sure within close proximity..

When any major story is swimming in contradictory details, vital to the truth of the narrative, most people will fill in the gaps... for example:

Who actually witnessed Adam Lanza leave his Mothers house, arrive at the school and enter the school itself?

This is like a game of contrarian chess... If there is no picture/video of Adam Lanza do not simply fill in the gap with your own reason.

The key piece of information which allowed the police to "Identify" this now dead, mass killer is the Id he was carrying. But the DL was not Adams but was instead discovered to be his older brothers.

Now look at this on-line report:

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self

A mass murderer executed his mother with her own gun and then slaughtered 20 helpless kids and a half-dozen staffers in a ghastly killing spree at a Connecticut elementary school.

The savage shooter never spoke as he sprayed the Sandy Hook Elementary School with dozens of bullets just 25 minutes after the morning bell started classes inside the typically quiet one-story school.

One witness said Friday’s masked killer, clad in black camouflage, might have fired up to 100 shots in just two minutes as terrified kids cowered in classrooms and closets — and heroic workers hustled to keep them alive.

Music teacher Maryrose Kristopik was hailed as a hero for barricading 15 children in one closet, where they could hear the bloodthirsty Lanza screaming, “Let me in!”

These were not just a few journalistic mistakes, which led the reader (now quite horrified by the shock of the violence upon children and teachers) to make conclusions about the MOTIVE--- he executed his own Mother--- went to her school and killed her fellow co-workers and murdered children--- he said nothing and yet was heard screaming like a bloodthirsty fiend, "Let me in" and by this time the rational part of the brain had stopped and the emotional shock takes over.

Did this school have surv. camera's or not? This crucial aspect of real evidence either proves Lanza was there at the school as "DESCRIBED" by the official narrative or there is no conclusion possible. Do not fill in the gaps with excellent reasons or you fail the test of contrarian logic. Do not prove anything which is not substantially corroborated with well defined facts of evidence, which can be proven in a court of law. NO secret evidence is allowed and no presumptions of guilt are allowed either. Was Adam Lanza publicly convicted of this horrendous murder spree by allegations or actual evidence?

Why no serious crime scene photo's of Adams/Mom's house? Another report and note the glaring contradictions:

"Nancy Lanza, the mother of suspected school shooter Adam, was believed to have been killed in her classroom. But updates in the investigation say she was found dead at her son’s residence — she wasn’t even a teacher at the school. So horrible.

After Adam Lanza was identified as the shooter responsible for the horrific shooting massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT on Dec. 14, reports presumed that his mother, Nancy Lanza had been shot and killed in her classroom. However, CNN reports that Nancy was, in fact, found dead in Adam’s residence in Newtown and she wasn’t even a staff member at the school.

CNN’s Susan Candiotti reported that investigators confirmed to her that Nancy was found at the residence. “Earlier we had information that she was found in the classroom.** However, now I’m being told that in fact her body was found at the suspect’s residence,” Susan reported. “We don’t know whether she also lived there. We also don’t know the time-line – when was she killed? Was she killed before the shooting began at the school? These are the things that authorities are still trying to piece together---"

One more just to show some sources of info to be more consistent with the official narrative:

"Four of the tragic child victims of Sandy Hook Elementary School gunman Adam Lanza lived within short walking distance of the $1.5 million home the killer shared with his mother, whom he also killed." Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Be sure to check out the pic of the house---and the car on the tow-truck--- clearly there was nothing going on at the residence when the image was taken, but it seems odd there were no pictures of an active investigation even if only from say across the street. The sloppy, inconsistent information from many sources is fertile ground for drawing conclusions that seem quite rational and logically sound. Why it is perfectly logical to conclude Adam Lanza was a deranged psychopath and nothing else matters especially the motive itself.

When the false aspects of the official narrative are removed the conclusion is based on hearsay. What the media says or doesn't never changes the odd fact a media report is not admissible evidence. The investigation is well hidden at this point and way too secretive for no real reason. The investigators supplied the information IF NOT were did the false and mis-leading information come from specifically?

The narrative can also be summed: An unknown masked man, broke into the school and began killing innocent school staff and teachers--- he was wearing a mask--- nobody saw his face--- he was killing kids--- teachers hid kids in closets and bathrooms to escape the killer during his two-minute killing spree---at least a hundred rounds--- he never took off his mask--- nobody knew who he was--- he then killed himself and was found by responders to the scene-- who then took off his mask--- searched his dead body and found a drivers ID---- Ryan Lanza---

What conclusions are possible at this point in time?If they DO not know the ID is wrong WHY does his MOM become a suspected victim? Does the deceased look like one of the dead teachers? He is only twenty... do the dead teachers look old enough to be his Mom? Was there a Lanza ID on the desk next to one of the teachers now dead? What brilliant logical deduction allowed the guy holding the ID to suddenly conclude Lanza killed his MOM right there in the classroom? Or the other classroom? What clue led on-line reports to jump to the same conclusion? I do not see one single image of the dead body so I have no idea how such a conclusion is drawn from the facts as presented by the narrative. If nobody at that school had ever seen him before WHO identified him by the relationship as presented? There is a serious gap here between the facts and the IMPLIED allegations which cannot be ignored.

If nobody at that school had ever seen Adam or his MOM at this school why imply FOR any reason they did?

Without such "implications" there is no coherent Motive to be acted upon with such deadly, will-full force. Even if later on such allegations of the implied motive turn out to be false, the false motive has already filled in a crucial gap, one which is psychological--- he hated those teachers, kids and his Mom.

The fact is the investigators hold all of the cards here not the media. The crucial facts are blotted out by the confusion as a direct result from the with-holding of critical crime scene photo's and evidence... evidence the media does not have so it has to create the missing pieces with only the bare minimum of credibility.

An unknown assailant went into a school and murdered teachers and kids with no motive. He had a separate residence--- was it searched? No--- he had a false ID which had what street address? If his brother lived at home(back then) then the address is the Mom's not a separate residence. If not, there is no street/address reference, so was another ID found? If so, why not state he had say--- a library card, with another address and that led searchers to the 1.5 million dollar home and then, after searching the home, they found another dead body as well. By this example there would have been a more credible trail of discovery.

--"However, it was still not clear yesterday precisely what caused Lanza, a socially awkward loner, to snap, though detectives said they had found 'clues' thought to be emails, at his mother' Nancy's home on Yoganada Street.

Police said they had found ‘very good evidence’ they hoped would answer questions about the motives of the 20-year-old gunman, described by those who knew him as brilliant but remote.

And investigators said they found no note or ‘manifesto’ of the sort they have come to expect after other murderous rampages." Read more: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

The connection back to the Mom is clearly quite important and is critical to the Motive, but once again the implied information is still missing. If not where have the e-mails gone?

Did Adam Lanza kill all of those kids and teachers? If the only conclusion to be drawn is only based on critical evidence released by the investigation--- crime scene photo's, shells, guns etc. why has NO such evidence been released?

Is it really that difficult to take a fairly sanitized image of the crime scene and release it the SAME DAY? One photo of a dead Adam Lanza released that day would have silenced the need for any further speculation period. In fact, contrary to the BS it would have actually allowed the resolution of the horror to be real. Without that critical moment of truth the actual result is to SUSPEND the tension as to inflict the greatest amount of emotional strain on the anxious public and actually DO MORE HARM.

Adam Lanza has no motive... he simply became one.

Quoting: Ghost Avatar 31762502

very good and put together very well.... sounds like the script for a youtube video ;) i keep pushing it on my other thread but we really need someone to come up with a good youtube video based on this great observations that both you, i, and many others on this GLP forum keep making

addParkers facebook pictures of his housematch the real estate listing photossome even taken from almost the same spots and position as themwith some minor differences and no signs of living there as of the pictures being taken and posted on FBcept his are jan 29th 2012and the house didn't get sold till april 2012bought fully furnished? or posting pictures of someone elses stuff in the house he hasnt bought yet?rented it first??

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27180401

very interesting, i have to look into this later when i get a free chance! is there a thread on that?

The kids who died at Sandy Hook would have only been at that school less than a few months,nobody there would have known these kids,where did they come from,they could have been plants and not know they where plants.

But the troubling point is what if they realy existed and realy did die and everything else is just made too look the way things are to fuck with our heads and discredit the alternative news channels.

addthe chopper news footage frames a woods behind the schoolthat is only 130 feet deep but doesn't go beyond the trees in the framing

the 4th suspect is almost out beyond the trees according to the google maps ariel shot

not to mention what the 4th suspect is doing there, and if it's the suspect their going in there looking for, why run the same way as them when behind him would be an avanue of escape

the cops turn northeast and go uphill away from the hidden person who then suspiciously flanks in the same direction [link to www.youtube.com]

then the video cuts and the chopper has swung around, the angle is looking east and rotates around till looking down and west acording to the shadowsI don't see who they are chasingand the news footage is clipped or edited for some reason

the audio doesn't coincide ?"up the driveway on the left side"?

why all 3 cops run straight along the back of the schoolthen turn 90 degrees north, pause at the sheds and then push into the woods turning back northeast if the suspect is already being persued as per the audioand where could there be a driveway on their left side? [link to www.youtube.com]

unless the 3 police in the video are going in there after what the audio is saying and theres cops already in there got someone

I can't make out where exactly in the trees they are after the camera cuts to the close-up but you would think the person they catch is the alleged 4th suspectwhich rules out 2 people running by the back of the gymas the person they say got captured was in there already chopping wood, then what leads them to go running off into the treesand because of the lapse in continuity of the news footagethere looks like more than 3 cops down under that tree and also a dog

i posted a thread about it but no one seems to be able to come up with an answer.. in my own research over night Im thinking it has to do with some kind of issue regarding server time and mobile company/phone app time all mismatching.. However, as i sifted through 100's of tweets and times, trying to figure out just how many hours out these times were, I came to the conclusion that about 2 hours must be the discrepency. This still puts the shooting at around 9am and all over by 9.30.. However since starting this search, the times keep changing, now tweets i have screenshots of dont match up when i go back and run through the actual tweets on the page.. very strange indeed..

This was from the newtown bee reporter who was one of the first reported on the scene, there are actually about 3 photos of these evacuations that ive seen and yes I thought i saved them, now they are disappearing from my files and they not showing up in searches anymore.. im staying on it though, printing it as i type

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31744715

very good point.

also not surprised the pictures are disappearing.. i think i know one of the other two you're talking about..the one with the woman and officer running out with the little girl in the middle?

and i'd also like to know how a lot of the mass media got to the school so quickly... news 12 is a local station and NBC Connecticut, although a MSM affiliate still had a local news station i'm sure within close proximity..

but when did cnn and other big name media arrive on scene?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32515804

I'd like to know who took the photos that close to the school since we see signs saying no media past this point. There were also comments that they were not allowed at the school?????

The Natalie Hammond (Vice Principal) who was allegedly shot in the foot?

When I was reading this story, it reminded me about the story of certain Viet Nam vetrans who were so dejected and depressed about the conditions over there, they would choose to "wound" themselves in the foot or leg to get out of the battle zones.

The Natalie Hammond (Vice Principal) who was allegedly shot in the foot?

When I was reading this story, it reminded me about the story of certain Viet Nam vetrans who were so dejected and depressed about the conditions over there, they would choose to "wound" themselves in the foot or leg to get out of the battle zones.

And let's see if there's explanation as to how he had enough time to visit all the rooms he visited (besides the two classrooms and the hallway there is the nurses' office and the other room the witness was saying he was yelling "let me in" and pounding the door to get into... Seems like he had a lot of time when he wasn't effectively shooting 26 women and children all by himself!

And why not shoot into that room like he supposedly did into the school and the other classes?

And if he died in Soto's classroom as they say, he would've had to go into nurse's office and to the other room before Soto's then... Was that after he supposedly killed all but one in Rossaeu (sp)'s?