"What I'm concerned about are sneering critics who think that ID's claims to science are dishonest, confused, ignorant."

Gosh, Bill. All you have to do to stop all that sneering is quit lying to people, stop misleading people, and go get yourself an education in biology. That will cure the dishonesty, confusion and ignorance on your part. Only THEN will the sneering will cease.

Until then you might consider getting a tougher outer layer as you can look forward to being sneered at the rest of your life.

ps: just between you and me ID's claims to science are in fact dishonest, confused and ignorant. That's why everyone outside your little cult sneers at you. They see right through yours and the Discovery Institute's little charade. "Id is about science and not God (wink wink)" come on Bill, anyone with half a brain can see through the ID con. And even your #2 lap poodle Joel admitted the ID movement in Kansas was dishonest they are really trying to sneak ID In the back door, remember? THAT is what is meant by dishonesty. Your "sneering" critics are right on the money, bro.

Dembski said - Quote "What I'm concerned about are sneering critics who think that ID's claims to science are dishonest, confused, ignorant."

Ah yes the theological appeal to ideological conservative fundamentalism and the faux generosity of spirit and reason updated by the post modernist's appeal to unreality , that any idea that claims to be equal should be considered as an equal.

...aka ....don't ask me about the pesky details, I'm right and I know it and my sychophants agree with me, or so they are told.... because if they don't, they are shown the door quick smart.

That's how this new theology works, it's like old theology ....without the rack.

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

"What I'm concerned about are sneering critics who think that ID's claims to science are dishonest, confused, ignorant."

Just how much dishonesty is in that sentence?

He writes "sneering critics". †OK, we sneer, but that's mainly after we showed his many errors.

IOW, this is just a sneer from Dimski against those who have carefully demonstrated the many fallacies, misdirections, and redefinitions of terms used by IDiots to foist off their confused, dishonest, and ignorant tripe as science.

The dishonest, confused, and ignorant Dembski cannot properly acknowledge the worthy critiques that he has received, hence he must mischaracterize them as only "sneering", when that is all that is possible after the dolt has ignored sound criticisms.

Then he writes that we "think" that ID's claims to science are dishonest, confused and ignorant. †Which implies that we don't know all of that, and that we haven't pointed out exactly how they are dishonest, confused, and ignorant. †Okay, what's Dembski going to do, acknowledge the legitimacy of the the responses that show his primary claim to fame to be a charade and a scam? †Of course not, but it is still well to itemize just how he is being dishonest in his mischaracterizations of the peer review that his work didn't deserve, but still received (to his mortification).

See, it's all just opinion, we just "think" that. †And it sells to the ignorant, dishonest, and confused, which is exactly what Dembski desires. †DaveTard and O'Leary are on board, as well as the one who rants using Bartlett's quotations as authoritative references (JAD for any neophytes). †It's their collective lie that we simply "think" they are wrong, hence they cover their many mistakes and far larger collection of omissions and petty censorships with the sneer that we simply "think" what we have demonstrated.

And just how well has it been shown that even the best among the IDists exhibit dishonesty, confusion, or ignorance? †Not all are guilty of all three, with Paul Nelson perhaps being the most honest (he said that evolutionary theory has much more explanatory power than ID at present--my only complaint is that this implies that ID has some explanatory power, but it's close enough for a proponent), though it seems that Dembski's remarks and actions are liberally infused with all of them.

I won't try even to example the extremely numerous cases where those traits have been shown by IDists, including those who are the supposed "experts". †It's just that virtually all such demonstrations are ignored and waved away with a sneer by the egregious Dembski. †Yes, as Heddle finally notices, as Judge Jones ruled, but more importantly, as competent critiques have generously shown, both on the web and off of it.

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Yes, you were just dreaming. †And you still are. †When you wake up, you'll find that geocentrism is still taught in schools and doctors still practice bloodletting. †Welcome to the Dark Ages.

You have to wonder...if these sheep were in charge...how many fewer illnesses, diseases or world problems would have be or gone unsolved?

If God designed or created every and everything was by design then would it not be an act to go against the will of God to cure an illness or changes the path of a virus...or move people out of harms way of a hurricane?

Funny how the pick and choose, how they interpret God's word and will. †Are they not themselves committing blasphemy by speaking for God

--------------- Born right the first time.- Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers.- It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

You have to wonder...if these sheep were in charge...how many fewer illnesses, diseases or world problems would have be or gone unsolved??

Of course ...why bother with materialistic nature its the devils work. God willing, when 'Darwinism' is defeated no more investigation needs to be done they already know what the answer is...and anyway all that science does is produce more gaps..don't you get it?

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If God designed or created every and everything was by design then would it not be an act to go against the will of God to cure an illness or changes the path of a virus...or move people out of harms way of a hurricane?

WHAT??? you heathen, help the unfortunate ill and the poor? THAT is just a test of our faith, god is on our side NOT THEIRS, are you saying Jesus was a communist?NO if he was alive today he would fence off the poor, send them more hurricanes and ban all medical research that proves man can create man (without a woman) just like me ...god.

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

The Institute of Scientific Apologetics is a division of Southern Evangelical Seminary that offers the Certificate in Scientific Apologetics designed for those interested in increasing their knowledge and effectiveness in defending the faith scientifically. The certificate prepares pastors, teachers, missionaries, and lay persons for apologetic and evangelistic ministry and outreach around the world. Students already accepted into a degree program may add this as a Concentration in Scientific Apologetics. Upon completion of this program the student should have demonstrated knowledge in Philosophy, Apologetics, Theology and Science.

We believe in the special creation of the entire space-time universe and of every basic form of life in the six historic days of the Genesis creation record. We also believe in the historicity of the biblical record, including the special creation of Adam and Eve as the literal progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide flood, and the origin of nations and diverse languages at the tower of Babel.

The story of Babel was in Genesis 11, so English obviously originated earlier. Otherwise, how else would they have written the first 10 chapters?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. †We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Dembski will be in charge of a laser printer that spews out "Certificates of Scientific Apologetics" which, with a North Carolina State Certificate of Massage Therapy would enable the SES "graduate" to get a job as a masseuse.

I find it somewhat ironic that the great and powerful intellectual Dembski is reduced to sucking a sorry job in apologetics in North fucking Carolina. Seriously, I wonder why the moron doesn't just buy a double-wide and start his own university. Oh, yeah, I forgot. He's a moron.

What's totally hilarious is that he can't say it's anyone's fault but his own.

He's the one who didn't follow instructions at Baylor. He's the one who bailed out on Kitzmiller. He's the one who took the book money and ran. He's the one teaching vacuous subjects at vacuous 'schools'.

Nobody, literally nobody, gives a rat's left testicle about anything he says or does.

--------------Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.

Srsly, here we have the self-proclaimed Isaac Newton of Information Theory, more like the Alfred E. Neuman What-Me-Worry professor of Jacking Off, feebly attempting and monumentally failing at projecting "intelligent design" creationism as science, reduced from the University of Chicago department of mathematics to a pre-fab building Bible certificate mill smack in the middle of Bum Fuck, America, chanting "teh flud can haz realz, teh flud can haz realz" amongst a faculty who verily defines the phrase "severe mental retardation" and we are led to believe that this is the Number Two Guy in the "intelligence design" creationism movement.

Hate to say it, but a meth lab would be a step UP from where Dr. Dr. "Oh, look at me I'm a goober!" Dimbulbski is today.

Srsly, here we have the self-proclaimed Isaac Newton of Information Theory, more like the Alfred E. Neuman What-Me-Worry professor of Jacking Off, feebly attempting and monumentally failing at projecting "intelligent design" creationism as science, reduced from the University of Chicago department of mathematics to a pre-fab building Bible certificate mill smack in the middle of Bum Fuck, America, chanting "teh flud can haz realz, teh flud can haz realz" amongst a faculty who verily defines the phrase "severe mental retardation" and we are led to believe that this is the Number Two Guy in the "intelligence design" creationism movement.

Hate to say it, but a meth lab would be a step UP from where Dr. Dr. "Oh, look at me I'm a goober!" Dimbulbski is today.

Wow. He's taken a step down from running Uncommonly Dense.

--------------Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

I apologize for the the heat at the center of sun explained by the theory of nuclear fission so help me god.

I apologize for the theory of the big bang and its explanation of the origin of the universe 13.5 billion years before the writing of Genesis and the novel use of the literary trope of deus ex machina to explain the origin of mankind.

I apologize for the the heat at the center of sun explained by the theory of nuclear fission so help me god.

I apologize for the theory of the big bang and its explanation of the origin of the universe 13.5 billion years before the writing of Genesis and the novel use of the literary trope of deus ex machina to explain the origin of mankind.

I apologize for the exstinction of life at the end of Premian period.

I apologize for being in the same species as William B Dembski.

LET IT BE SO

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell.†Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG