There are also clear, frontal shots of Cavill in his Superman costume. This costume reveal, which we enjoyed a few weeks back...

...obscured his nether regions, prompting many to ask whether this interpretation of the outfit would feature the character's signature red panty things. At that time, numerous indications pointed towards the costume not featuring the iconic undies. That question now appears to be answered definitively by the pictures below.

Plus its looks like molded plastic.
Wow, the terrible miscasting of Cavill as Supes who looks like Bizzaro, to Laurence Fishbure as Perry White, and now this awful costume!
Dunno what Warner/DC is trying to do but this just going to be a charmless Supes who punches his way throughout the movie!
No wonder Crowe is starring in this!

Saw Superman Returns last night on TV Man that film sucked the only thing good about it was Routh and Spacy, Honestly after the clusterfuck off the Smallville Final (YES I SAID IT THAT SHOW BLOWS!) We are in need of a decent Superman Fix, I love Snyders work so far! and I guess the shorts but be the sudios doing, but end of the day Story comes first, I do think the suit is wired but I`m holding judgement on this one till the flicks out! All I want really is John Willams Score and I`ll be Sold!

Shannon is actually Doomsday! Not Zod. You heard it here first!!!
Why else do they need motion capture? Why the stick to show where Supes need to look? You can see Supes looking up there in the second photo. Its definitely Doomsday and that's probably Grannie Goodness.. not Faora!
Its sleight of hand right now ...

Funny how it makes you realise how iconic those crimson nickers really are...the first images of the Routh suit looked a bit off, but again, you just adjust to it...again I think the previous suit played better on screen than in stills. Body language sells it, and Ol' Chris was the master of that.

...the way it's painfully obvious that they kept his red short-less pelvis in deep shadow in the official costume release shot. This way, the initial reaction wouldn't be what we have today – WHERE ARE HIS SHORTS?! It feels like a cheap shot. As Dark Helmet would say, "Foooooled youu!"

General Sam Lane, the father of Lois Lane, is a central figure in director Zack Snyder’s Superman reboot. This really is as Zack described in several interviews about the film, a “real world” Superman. I’m told that when Superman arrives on the scene; people don’t know what to think. He’s an alien from another planet. What are his real intentions? He’s not human and that scares a lot of people. Here’s a guy who can fly, see through walls, is bullet proof and can lift a tank. The military views him as a potential threat to national security. They find kryptonite, pieces of his home planet, and discover its radioactive elements can be harnessed as a near unlimited source of power, both literally and figuratively. It’s a brand new form of energy that is secretly developed by the government. The military, under the direction of General Sam Lane, uses kryptonite to power an experimental cyborg super solider named Metallo. He’s ultimately exploited as a weapon against Superman.

That suit looks horrendous. Is he actually stood on his cape in the first pic? Sorry but this looks like a major train wreck in the making. That is not Superman, his iconic look is gone. Might as well call him Fantabulous Man cause there is no resemblance to Superman in the slightest.

Should keep track of what's going on in the comics. As of September the underwear are gone from the suit, maybe not forever, but long enough I'd think, and DC knew, so we're getting a Superman movie wherein there are no Supersuit underwear. In being rid of his underoos, they are staying faithful to the comics.

Seriously, this modernizing of superhero costumes has got to stop. Pointed ears on the Batman cowl doesn't make real-world sense either. That's the point. These stories don't take place in our real world. They're meant to be an ESCAPE from the dreary post-9/11 economic meltdown blah blah of our lives. Might as well just have heroes wear regular clothes.
And don't get me started on the muted colors of the new Supes suit. Looks like a homeless guy who got dragged through the gutter the morning after a costume party. And got his shorts ripped off too, apparently.

Seriously, give it a rest already. The problem with Superman Returns was that it was a regurgitation of the earlier films, including much of the score.
An original score will be one of many welcome changes. Im still wary of Snyder as director, but at the very least id like to see a completely new and modern take on this IP. If its a big fat failure, so be it.

Seriously, the new comics feature a costume similar to this. It looks fine there. Here, somebody dropped the ball when it came to actually implementing that. Plus, Cavill is a total miscast. He looks like a roided up Tom Jane in these pics. Come to think of it, Cavill might've made a better Punisher instead. Not Superman.
Getting rid of the undies on the outside makes sense. Comic costumes were designed to fit in with the aesthetic of strong men and pro wrestlers of the era. Today, they've kinda surpassed the need for that reference point. They can stand on their own. What makes Superman iconic looking isn't the undies. It's the cape, shield, and basic color scheme.
Why is it that nobody makes a big deal about Batman not having the trunks? I'm not sure people really think about it. In current (soon to end) continuity, Dick Grayson's Batman has them, but Bruce's doesn't. Moreover, movie Batman ditched them 20+ years ago.
I just think that people bitch for the sake of bitching. We want the movies to embrace their comic roots, yet complain when they do or when the source material being embraced is not popular.
The trunkless design is fine. It's the implementation of it and the man wearing it that look all wrong.

Seriously? People losing their minds because the suit doesn't feature underwear? Personally -- and I've always thought this -- I think the underwear make superman look silly, and worst of all vulnerable. Dude's showing his UNDERWEAR. Outside of his PANTS. Getting rid of that was such a great move; he looks 1,000 times better. Now let's talk about why EVERY super suit in EVERY movie now has to have that scaly Spider-Man texture...

There were so many complaints about Routh's costume colors, why aren't more complaining about these?? The red is ok, but the blue and
yellow are really dark.
Don't get me started on the Shiny/Rubber suit...I'm having flashbacks to the 90's Tim Burton costume ideas...

There were so many complaints about Routh's costume colors, why aren't more complaining about these?? The red is ok, but the blue and
yellow are really dark.
Don't get me started on the Shiny/Rubber suit...I'm having flashbacks to the 90's Tim Burton costume ideas...

Not sure why they changed it because I don't feel as though it wouldn't work and would look silly. It's iconic.
Too much blue, need to break it up.
I also think the cape is too big.
I'm ok with the texture of the suit, it's more robust looking than plain material but it is curious that it looks the same as the Spiderman suit. I guess there is someone in town these super heroes all know and go to for all their costumes- Super Tailor.

Hero's love interest has a high-ranking father in the military who tries very aggressively to capture/control/destroy powerful being. Someone in another talkback said that Lois Lane's dad General (?) Sam Lane and the military don't know what to think of Superman and have utilized kryptonite as an energy source and or weaponized it in response to Superman's arrival. Sounds kinda like Betty Ross and Thunderbolt Ross and Bruce Banner imo. If they do it like that, I just hope it's executed very well. And for the record I thought both hulk movies were awwwright; only reason I like hulk 08 better is because we have the one from target where case is the wall opens up and hulk's face is revealed.

Immediately dismiss a photo or a design from a film without first having seen the film in question. It's easy to criticize behind the anonymity of a "user name" and in my opinion its an act of a "pussy". If you are going to criticize a person's work, have the balls to put your real name to it.
That having been said: "I do not like this costume". Not because of it's design. Not because of the fabric. Not because the "cape is too long", or the "'S' is cheap".
I do not like this because the redesign (in both the comics and the new film) is not born out of some new artistic direction. it's a corporate mandate brought on by Time/Warner in an effort to break ties with the creators families (Siegel/Shuster) and get out of paying any licensing fee.
By changing the costume; Time Warner does not have to give a percentage of any merchandising from this film.
Here's a link to the article:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269?refCatId=13
-Kevin

I'm willing to believe the worst about Time Warner, but the story you link to doesn't say anything about the costume-change thing. Is simply removing the red shorts, while everything else is intact, really enough to change the legal-use issue?
If it is, I'd like to read something more concrete about it, as it could mean the difference between me seeing this film or not.
Personally, at first glance I don't really like the sea-of-blue look that going with no belt or shorts creates, but overall the costume and Cavill look great and I'm willing to give it a chance. Hope those muscles aren't fake, though.

There was and still is nothing wrong with the costume in Donner's film. Or even in the comics. The synopsis says beacon of hope? what kind of beacon is dark and rubber? I really tried to give this new costume time to sink in, but I just can't stand it, it sucks. The only thing I like about it is the size of the S. Not the raised emblem itself, just it's size.

Keith would be wrong to conclude that Supe's missing red shorts are due to the legal ruling with the Siegel Estate, because it appears that this film does include many elements that the court has determined were the rights of the Siegel estate, including (as reported by the article that Keith cited:
- Superman's origins from the planet Krypton
- his parent Jor-El
- his landing on Earth in a fiery crash.
- alter-ego as reporter Clark Kent
- the feisty reporter Lois Lane
- their jobs at the Daily Planet newspaper working for a gruff editor
Getting rid of the red underoos is not sufficient to block any claims the Siegel's might have with regards to this film.

If people want a "realistic" Superman, then he needs to wear a mask. How can you take someone who wears glasses as a disguise seriously in this day and age of cell phone cameras and a world connected by the internet.
Warner Bros. and DC Comics changing Supe's costume in order not to pay the heirs is true. What is their excuse for changing Wonder Woman's iconic costume?

No red briefs aside, the scaly shininess is really, really offputting. <p>
As for the "S" emblem: I know this borders on the nit-picky, and in the end I don't much care either way, but I don't know if it's too high on his chest or just too small overall, but it looks weird as is. Shift the whole emblem down a few inches and you're probably good to go...

Has the internet been around in 1989, I can imagine the same comment would've been made about the Tim Burton Batman.
In the comics, iirc, Batman was still wearing the blue trunks and gray costume at the time. Visually, Burton's version was a huge departure from the comics and from the Adam West version which preceded it. Here, with Superman, at least there's a precedence & parity. For the foreseeable future, trunkless Superman is the new status quo across the board. Comic fans will get used to the change. We always do.
Instead of worrying about the costume, worry about Snyder. He's a hack who's coasted on his "300" cred for far too long. Between the mediocre "Watchmen" and the intolerable "Sucker Punch", he shouldn't be allowed near a big budget project again. Don't even get me started on that stupid owl movie.

its dead before it even finishes. Dawn of the Dead was mediocre studio nonsense, 300 was ridiculous, Watchmen sucked. This man has never made a great movie and he's being handed a huge, iconic franchise...by Nolan no less...I thought the man had taste.

The queue went through a mock up of the Daily Planet office and on one of the files on a shelf someone had written 'Supergay'. It was so funny I lost all control of my bladder.
...I guess you had to be there.

Not once.
Nope.
What makes *** ANYONE *** think this time will be any different?
The poster above is right... you guys think the suit sucks? Wait till you get a load of the finished product on screen. I can almost guarantee you it will not meet expectations. It will be all flash and no substance. The only heart you're going to get while sitting in the theater watching it will be the heart in your chest. This film will have none.
I cannot believe WB/Nolan gave this hugely important film to the likes of Zach Snyder. After a string of films soaked in mediocrity and the disaster - DISASTER - called Sucker Punch!
Get ready to be disappointed.

Who knows what they're doing with Mo-Cap Zod but Faora looks just like Ursa in a cape. Or better yet, Ursa in a Batgirl costume. She even has the little Ursa haircut. I wonder if she's collecting badges.

Everyone is getting excited for no reason.
These scenes just happen to come after the scene where Superman rips off his shorts and throws them at the bad guys, and they expand in midair and wrap the bad guys up.

Both costumes in these pictures make it look less of a comic book adaptation and more like a fetish rubber wear party.
Don't be surprised if Supes gets his cock out and knocks one off in order to defeat Zod. (I mean, that's got to be the reason for no undercrackers - it's been done purely from an 'easy access' perspective).
INT. Studio Executive's Office
Studio Boss: How is Supes going to whip out his little "Man of Steel" for the sex party scene where he makes sweet man love with Zod?
Snyder: I don't know, Boss...
Studio Boss: You know - I think we're going to have to ditch the panties. Zod needs easy access to Supes little chap...
I than' you!

Thousands -literally thousands- of comic stories to draw from, and they go with the villains from the Donner films:
Zod and Ursula.
Wow.
Meanwhile, every step of the way this team is telling us that it's something new, approached like Superman has never been done before.
Classic.
I actually like Snyder's films - Watchmen was the most respectful, reverent adaptation of source material every made (well, Fight Club is close), but the fact that he is sticking with Zod and digging into Supes canon really irritates me.

Because it will mean paying out to that horrable family. <p>
The movie is called Man of Steel not Superman.<p>
TimeWarner own the term Kyptonite but not the planet Krypton, so we wont hear Superm... I mean the Man of Steels home planet called by its name at any point.<p>
Something very weird is going on with the production, I just wish someone involved in the movie, either the director or producer explain some of the real reasons they are doing certain things instead of giving us the JJAbram-esque waffle.<p>
...and I miss the pants, and that shiny plastic blue look is shit looking!

Get real. Do you really think the trunks have gone for good? Call me cynical, but the DC line re-boot is just part of the Warners marketing dept's latest push for your hard earned whatever. We've seen these kind of things many times before; some sensational event guaranteed to be picked up by the (inter)national media thus ensuring a temporary boom in sales. Many more people will see the MAN OF STEEL movie than will read the new comics; there's really no need to follow them at all.

They rip their own icon characters look to make them look so very different from what has been established for so many years without having a story to back the movie up.
I mean, Superman Returns was messed up after the first scene where Superman crashes in Smallville and yet no one noticed that huge freaking tower that hit the field. They can get away with NORAD and all the satellites by saying that the ship as many cloaking devices, but a flaming building that crosses the sky will turn some heads where ever it crashes! Oh, and the fact that Kryptonians have the technology to build ships that can cross the universe but they forgot to invent the freaking landing gear completely baffles me…
They messed him up by making him an illegitimate father, Lois, who was brainwashed after the kiss in Superman 2 yet never questioned the fact that she was suddenly pregnant (what is she? A slut that suddenly went “Damn! Forgot that condom again!” while hoping Metropolis’ night clubs??), takes her son on an “adventure” into what may be the cause of a major earthquake and could potentially be hazardous to her health (nice one mom!), also Superman was gone for many years yet she’s still like 20 .. When he left she was like what.. 30… WTF!?!?
They only see dollar signs attached to their property and want to bank in while other hero movies are making the big bucks. They didn’t lose money on Superman Returns, but let’s face it, they didn’t make 10% of the potential revenue they estimated with that garbage of a movie…
Now, they take away the iconic look of Superman by just re-inventing the “S” shield enough that it’s not exactly what has been done over the past 30 years; they make the suit out of rubber (which only makes you think “Is Superman really indestructible if he needs something else than regular spandex?”) and the biggest mistake by losing completely the red over-undies..
Ok, don’t give him the fruit of the loom undies, but incorporate some of the red in there to separate all the blue covering him up.
Give it a twist, not over-undies, but at least incorporate some red into his outfit so that it feels like it’s Superman…
The overall tone of the colors also seem to make this very dark, like the evil Superman that appeared when Clark and Evil Superman battle it out in the scrap yard.. it just didn’t make it fell like it belonged on him.. Look at this one I found on the net, with Superman’s actual color: http://www.fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/fl9s.jpg it just feels better, more like the Man of Steel who is not the evil character of the story…
I just hope isn’t the one about Krypton not exploding.. You know.. So that WB doesn’t need to pay the family of the creators.. I really hope they can do something good, else the whole franchise will die for future generations..

Red Underoos are so unbelievable... but the red boots and big ass cape aren't? get rid of the "S" while you are at it. We need an all black suit..you know to be hip and modern. And the name "Superman" is just plain dumb now a days. call it the "Kryptonian" there, that should update it just fine...now, who wants to watch it?

Looks amazingly stupid-waaayyy fuckimg too much blue. And that absurdly, stupidly long cape brings to mind the scene in the incredibles when all of tbe cape wearing jackasses get killed. I don't understand why hacks like Snyder and Burton feel like they have the right to change beloved fictional characters to suit their "vision"! I, for one, domt give two fucks about Snyder's vision for a superman movie. To paraphrase Harrison Ford, when making a movie about an icon, it's customary to make the goddamn movie iconic, son!

It is a shame that the Superman (mythology) we all grew up with will be gone forever due to corporate greed.
Gone is the sad and fantastical history of the "last" survivor of Krypton. Will we still care now that he might not have Lois Lane to ground him? Is he only Superman in name?
For so long we believed that 'Superman belongs to the world'...he actually belongs to the company holding a majority share in his creation.
Yes, creative artists should be paid proportionately, but the selfish part of me still wishes I had the Superman I grew up with.

change because it made sense for a character that runs around on rooftops at night and wants to instill fear into the minds of criminals, to be dressed in all black.
It doesn't make sense for a character that wants to inspire hope in the hearts of citizens to be dressed in very dark scaled rubber.

But Casino Royale isn't a sequel to Dr. No, yet they use the same James Bond theme in every single movie. So why can't we have the Williams' score for this? They used that and the Planet Krypton music on Smallville and it worked perfectly every time.

The texture, shade of blue, and addition of pointless wrist bracers and leg piping are what I dislike.
If the suit came fully formed with him from Krypton, it wont bother me as bad within the story.
Otherwise it's just a poor (IMO) design choice.

The biggest indicator is when people that can fly are walking on the ground. That means they either don't have the budget to do something spectacular or don't have a director that can do something spectacular.
Predication: Movie will be complete garbage but get rave reviews from AICN.

While there's always a possibility that the red trunks might make their appearance again, DC is far more likely to stick to their guns than Marvel. Just look at how long Kyle Rayner & Wally West held onto their respective mantles. Kyle over a decade. Wally two. Had they been Marvel properties, Hal and Barry would've returned inside of 6-9 months.
Nothing in comics is permanent. I agree. If enough fans complain, Superman will get back the undies in the comics. Otherwise, I can see them sticking with this for a while. With the red belt, and high collar, it's actually not so offensive. I'm already getting used to it. Some artists will invariably mess it up, but some will probably nail it like nobody's biz.
The problem with Superman, apart from being too powerful, is that he's pretty boring. Changes need to be made to reinvigorate him and update him for a new century. Tweaking his costume is a good start, imo. Shame that the movie version sucks.

Gentlemen-
I'm sure a quick google search will provide you with more information on this. But this is the issue in a nutshell:
Shuster/Siegel's families successfully argued that they own the rights to the origin and all thing their in. Any changes made after (Jimmy, The Daily Planet, Perry White, Brainiac, et al) are the property of Time/Warner.
However (they argued) the costume had not had a significant design change (apparently changing the "S" is not enough) and thus they are entitled to a percentage of profits for all merchandising (where the money is people).
Removing the shorts (and you will have to check me on this, I'm not a design patent lawyer) alters the costume significantly enough to avoid paying the families a percentage of all merchandise profits (T-Shirts, toys, flatware, Happy Meals, et al) from the upcoming movie and all future endeavors that employ the new costume design.
-Kevin

Contrary to popular opinion, Dawn of the dead sucked! Typical Snyder-"I don't like the way previous artists did their creations almost flawlessly-I'm gonna change it!" it makes no sense to have fast zombies as they are decaying flesh. The birth of the zombie infant was quite possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen in cinema. 300 was good oy because Frank Miller was breathing down his neck and is known to be notoriously protective of his work. Watchman was AlMOST great-then Snyder decided he's a better writer than Alan Moore(he's not), and changed the ending. I will say it was casted wonderfully(which is more than I can say for the shoddy casting of Man of Steel). The owl movie wasn't bad, sucker punch was abysmal. So doing the math, with one film that was ok, and one that had potential, I'd say he's 1.5 out of 5. Snyder is worse than Bay in a way-at least bay admits what he is-a boom boom blockbuster guy-he knows his movies won't win oscars, he just entertains. Snyder is technically the same as Bay-all style, no substance, except Snyder thinks he's a visionary-and that is why he fails

If you were a comic fan in the late 1980s, it was all that shop owners and patrons could talk about. Like the internet, but on a smaller scale. People were just as divided. Now, people still complain, but not nearly as much. Personally, I think that Nolan's latest tweak to Batman has probably gone a little too far on the practical armor look, but that's just me. I preferred something closer to the Burton era design.

I really wanted to see that in Return and Smallville but it didn't happen, instead his suit just magically is created ( and out of f'ing rubber no less ) but the idea with his mom making him his costume from the blankets from this ship is awesome. It shows that no matter how silly it looks ( even with red undies ) her son wears it out of love. If I think back, I believe they did do this on Lois and Clark, which was awesome and got the suit right.

...apparently his hair follicles are strong enough
to break every man made razor in existence.
(...yeah, I know enough with the hair jokes)
I wish you Supes fans every good luck.
Making quality films has never been a bad thing.
Here's hoping...for your sakes.

"Kryptonian Battle Armor".Come on, this is SUPERMAN! Why would he need "battle armor"?
Sure, under Krypton's red sun I can understand that you would need to protect yourself. But even then, wouldn't any guy want to protect his "junk" above all else?
Just sayn'

Ok, so we get to see some pics from the set of the upcoming Superman move by Zach Snyder.
None of the shots are all that good or really captures my interest level at this time. I think it's cool that a number of people have been able to send in pics and even some video clips of moveis like "Avengers: Assemble" and upcoming "Dark Knight" film
Just remember people....this all raw pics/footage fo the actors in costumes, which will obviously get the major film treatment/CGI stuff done in heavy Post Production, so nothing is going to look "right"...i.e the way it does on film...for that we all have to wait until next year and 2013.
In the past I...along with a lot of fellow Talk Backers here in this collumn...have been guilty of having made a lot of comments about pre-production pics, clips and even the way certain sets looked in a negative and snarky kind of way...only later to be pleasently surprised to see that the films which were critisized unneccesarily and unfairly turn out to be pretty excellent (a few that come to mind are "Thor", Captain America" and "Green Lantern") When the trailers for these films are finally released (probably around the time of the next Superbowl) that will show us what to really expect and think.
Let's keep our fingers crossed, thoughts positive and hope that The Comic Gods do indeed deliver some amazing/incredible films that we the fans have been anticipating, salivating over and most of all deserving as Fanboys/Fangirls! :)

Please don't do it Snyder. I know he's his go to composer but Bates ain't up for it. Look at his work on Conan. I'm glad Zimmer is out too. Get a fresh new Composer, somebody with talent and ambition to make a name for him or herself. If you guys ain't going to use any of the Williams iconic score, you're going to need all the help you can muster up.

It's not any less Superman because the trunks are missing. I prefer the trunks on artistic grounds -- they just balance out the look. If they make money (by taking it from creators) by making little changes ( Rebel Kirk, anyone) this explains reboots.

...not saying thats a good thing. Did Warner's hire Synder based on footage from Sucker Punch, cuz they sure didn't hire him because of it's BO receipts. And the fact that the movie was a mess. A good looking mess, but a mess just the same.

When they released the first official pic of Routh as Supes, I knew that that movie was going to be a mess. The opposite thing happened when I saw Cavil in full gear.
What I'm saying - if I'm saying anything - is that I have high hopes for this Man of Steel, based on the iconic visual of Superman and the talent behind it.

but man a part of them during the filming of this must be saying to themselves: this is so weird. I am in parking lot in broad daylight dressed like Superman and pretending to be a superhero. They commit people to institutions for this.
As far as the trunks are concerned. I really don't care.
I am tired of all superhero movies and think we should start boycotting them all until Hollywood realizes there are other stories worth spending a bazillion dollars on.

like Bruce Timm's superman.
I find it funny that the trunks are unacceptable on a superhero outfit, but some how capes are fine.
Fuck this shit. I passed on Superman Returns, I can perfectly skip watching this retarted Snyder movie too.

The last chance to make him less dated and more interesting as a tridimensional character.
They got the right director, great cast and Nolan's blessing. If this movie tanks, we can all forget about a new Superman franchise. Probabily we'll get to see him again only in a Batman vs Superman ou Justice League movie.

The casting had a lot to do with it, but it was good all the same.
Wasnt a fan of 300 for the same reason i wasnt a fan of Sin City: I believe in adaptaion NOT duplication. And Watchmen just seemed to miss the whole point of the source material. That said, I dont think its been established that he's a mere hack ala McG and Bay and if hes truly collaborating with Nolan and DC, theres no obvious reason why the movie cant be good.
And enough about the fucking shorts. Regardless of how you feel about this, its a done deal. There will be no last minute cgi-panty whateverthefuck. Get over it.
As far as the score goes, its time to lay the Williams score to rest permanently. Its been so overplayed for the last 30+ years, so drilled into our collective heads, that theres no need to paste it into what i hope is a true reboot. Just close your eyes and there it will be in the back of your mind.
Does anyone know if they're planning on recycling parts of the Williams score? I havent read anything about that.

Of all the elements of Supes costume, that's the one I'd think everyone would really not care about either way. Ditching them seems like no big deal, costume seems to look just fine without them.
I'm more bored with the super villain being in all black. Seriously, again? I don't want to see some wacky colored outfit, but anything other than this black look we've seen a hundred times would have been just slightly more interesting. Same costume, but maybe a real deep brown or gray, even white would be something. If these are Krpytonians too it'd be neat if their costumes evoked the same kind of regal air that Supes costume should. Maybe that CGI fella will end up with a more interesting look to him.

he has a stick on top of his head to mark the character's height.- as someone else said, supes is having to look UP to it.
weird multicolored suit he's wearing under the mocap gear....
reminds me of that one DC guy that was made up of different elements...
metamorpho?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorpho

jesus it's about fucking TIME. finally the movie doing something the comics have done for half a century- having supes fight a larger menace.
i wonder though- who is it? darkseid? doomsday? or is zod somehow bigger?

All of Snyder's failings have been related to the movie's plots. (Though I really liked 300.)
The guy's movies LOOK fantastic. Watchmen was a beautiful film; so was Sucker Punch.
Now imagine if he had collaborated with Nolan on Sucker Punch. That might be a film worth laying down money for.
Personally- I'm excited as he'll for this film.

...Superman Returns a masterpiece.
Snyder has substantially less then even no idea about how to portray the MOS. The suit is the least of your worries, the hair, look at the fucking hair, and most importantly Caville? Who the fuck is Caville when compared to Reeves, who btw attended Julliard, so his acting was in no way wooden, but entirely believable. Just listen to Caville in the Immortals trailer - there's more wood in that voice than the entire fucking Amazon Rainforest. His is the highest order of ineptitude where feature film acting is concerned. Whatever dialogue settles into his tone, his pitch, intonation and word prominence is completely of key; his delivery of lines will be completely and utterly unbelievable, and I really do mean unbelievable.
In short, Snyder's a cunt! Should not have even been considered, and when he was, he ought to have been fired immediately upon the release of Sucker Punch.
Mark my words people, Superman Returns will be, if it already isn't, a MASTERPIECE.
Go suck a bag o' dicks motherfuckers!!

Over the course of all the Supes talkbacks I continue to see this sentiment that Nolan can reign/focus/save Snyder from himself. His involvement with this picture is essentially over. Goyer had an idea that Nolan liked, and basically all he did was help Goyer develop it and put his name on it to help push the idea to the studio. Goyer wrote it, Snyder's directing it, he's basically said his focus is on his next film (Batman) and that Supes is Snyder's project now, and he's not really going to have anything to do with it.

I do want something different-but I also want the character to look like the character. I want bright colors to inspire hope to the people of metropolis, I want the mundies cuz the all blue looks too plain, I don't want the scalely texture cuz, frankly, it looks stupid. Everybody who say they want something different and they're glad the suit has changed dont seem to be saying anything about the fact that Faora is wearing essentially the same Sistine as Ursula in Superman II-complete with the same hair style. Remember-wanting something different gave us Batman and Robin

I especially love the part where Goyer and the Nolans all said they don't like Superman...nothing excites me more than knowing that the next film to feature my favorite character was written by some guys who don't even like him-which means they've changed it to something they do like(probably dark and gritty) and ruined the essence of the chatacter

I hope he goes home one day to find his entire family - wife, kids and all - are all eating each other while still alive, each and every one feasting on limbs and torso. Yes, this is what I wish for Mr. Nolan to witness. That fucking cunt I hope he dies in the middle of batman, so Snyder has to step in, releasing him from MOS which then gets handed to a more competent director.
Oh I also hope WB offices all blow up with everybody in it, from all the execs right down to the cleaners, wipe them all out please God

WTF is this?! NO SHORTS?!!! I thought his hair was enough to push me away! It isn't nearly Reeve-y enough. Obviously this means that the director, producers, actors, DP's, Grips, etc. etc. don't appreciate the original source material!
Seriously, do you hear yourselves? Get over it and maybe be excited that Superman will actually be interesting for once.

I think I have read a few more tbackers in here coming to the same conclusion that its not Zod at all, but Doomsday/Darkseid.
I am of the firm opinion that its Darkseid. Doomsday does not have a female sidekick.
Could it be Metallo? With the General Sam Lane hitch - yes. It could very well be that case, but I think that still does not explain the alien next to him - hence, I stick with Darkseid.
Darkseid plunges entire world into submission. Metallo challenges Supes. That's it - who is the bigger villain?
Its not Zod. Get over it. This is Darkseid.
And we love that.
Now onto the red panties stuff .... I am a purist and I would prefer Supes with it on. I still think Routh would have done the trick, but an 'action' reboot requires a new actor and Cavill can be impressive. (I prefer Routh...)

Criticizing Cavill before youve heard even one line of dialogue makes you, by definition, a douche and an idiot.
If you are a douch and an idiot, it would be much safer for you to wait til the movie comes out, and if the consensus is that hes terrible, THEN you can criticize him without outing yourself.

You really thunk he'll be interesting? He won't-in Snyder's hands he'll be a smaller hulk in a blue suit-just smashing shit in slow mo. And it's not about staying faithful to Reeve, or Donner-it's about being faithful to the essence of the character-and I can already tell by the tidbits we've heard about the story, and by that stupid ass costume that they've lost sight of it

I just want Superman thats full of action. I want to see shit blown up and Superman kicks some ass....not a goddamn 2 hours love note to the original film were the villains evil plan is a fucking real estate scam.

So it's about the name calling? Typical of this site-I agree though that the actor should have a chance-and Cavill showed me his talent in hits such as Blood Crwek and Hellraiser:Hellboumd-stellar performances on both counts. And his "acting" in tbe Immortals trailer really impressed me-the way he half heartey delivered roughly the same speech as every other warrior in the last 20 years of film-amazing.
I agree-it's a done deal-dowant mean I or any fan of tbe comic-not just the previous movies-have to like it. I'm glad theyre trying to be different from Donner-but in doing so they're deviating too much from the character

The no underwear is a sign to me that they are ready for an updated, modern take that audiences of today will be able to relate to and enjoy. Regardless though, Snyder will make it look great on film. The big question is the script.

why do you care then about this place or this movie or this character... why bother posting you fucking hack! just kill yourself and stop pretending you don´t like men in tights... only a fag would reference the village people. Fuck you! :)

When Returns came out everyone complained how bad the suit looked - and one of the biggest complaints (other than the "S") was that in 2006, the red undies just don't work on screen anymore - it was too damned silly for a modern audience.
I read those comments right here on AICN.
Now, we get a suit without the underoos, and everyone complains. HAHAHAHA.
Like I said, nerds are dumb. Make up your minds.

Its too bad about the lack of creativity in hollywood / dc. Shouldve done this super retro, like TAKES PLACE in the forties. That is really the only time you can pull off all of superman's gimmicks. The manties, the secret identity, etc.

Funny, because I was just thinking about that the other day.
This film has Zod and Ursa only becasue that's what the WB execs think is the safest bet. Think about it.
They used Luthor AGAIN in Returns because that was the safest way to reboot the franchise at the time. Now that everyone's unhappy with Returns, what do they do? Go to the next safest bet: ZOD!!! Because he was in Superman 2 remember everyone?!
Maybe the story will kick ass. I don't know, but it seems to me if they HAVE to do another origin, then Brainiac would've been ideal! But even if not, why Zod AGAIN? Because it's safe. That's why.
I'm one of the few who really hopes this movie kicks ass. I think Snyder has it in him - I'm not giving up on him yet. But I'm still leery about this whole Zod/Ursa/Origin stuff. Just on the surface, it seems like a bad idea - something that should've been thrown out in the brainstorming stage.
But, oh well, I'll try my best to keep an open mind. Really hoping this is a GOOD film. I know it's a lot to ask for these days.

Aug. 24, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST

by Brigon

I don't mind the lack of red trunks, but the costume would look better with a red belt around the waist to break up the blue.

...because originally they needed something to cover the "package" when men wear tights. It's true! Dancers and circus performers do the same thing. Original design of comic book hero costumes were tights so they followed the same idea. Nowadays with rubber suits and CGI costumes, they underwear look is unnecessary -- BUT this Superman costume looks like a form-fitting suit, not body-armor. Those are Cavill's real muscles. SO, will people criticize Superman's junk as much as they mocked Shumacher's codpieces in the Batman movies? Give the man som shorts, it's a family picture! :)

Cavill looks incredible as the Man of Steel! The suit hits all the right notes (sans manties, thank God). And the musculature, "enhanced" or not, will sell it even better. Snyder nonwithstanding, this is going to clobber the dreadful Superman Returns on every level. Admittedly, that's not a hard goal to accomplish, but it's lookin' good so far!

I'd be ecstatic if the story was good-and, if my theory proves correct, it most likely will ne. sadly, Netflix is full of movies that had great stories, but the wrong director and the wrong actors killed it. We shouldn't have to sacrifice one for the other,"the story sucks but the performances were great" or "the story was great-and I see where they were trying to go-but wooden performances by an all-star vast just couldn't get it there" are becoming all too familiar reviews

are you familiar with Earth One? I believe theyre pretty much doing thar entire story-bur with Zod instead of Tyrrell-because-he's a safer bet lol. The story is actually quite good-though I didn't care for the superman design-which basically looks just like what Cavill is wearing...

Look at the PR release photo of the costume, looks like it just has a bit more give/twistyness (or whatever) in some areas of the costume, probably just causes it to reflect differently then the rest of the costume in certain poses/light. No big deal.

Even as a way back fan the undies just never worked. The only thing iconic about them is how silly they've always looked. We just learned to live-with-it out of respect for the wonderful character created.
But they've needed to go.
FINALLY someone made the change, thank you!

Tell Kevin Smith that Robert Evans finally won. They've cut off Superman's balls. And WTF with statements like "SO GLAD they got rid of the underwear." That sounds like a quote from the NAMBLA coat of arms.

it's almost as bad as the failed Nick Cage superman suit! i have a feeling Snyder will miss the mark (again!) with this adaptation.

Aug. 24, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST

by Perry

ok fools-Obviously this iteration of General Zod will look nothing like Terence Stamp's inimitable portrayal. Instead, Zod will most likely appear as he's been drawn...in THE COMICS...since about 2005. That is to say, large, in charge, and with badass spiky Kryptonian armor and a helmet that would make Maximus Decimus Meridius, General of the Felix Legions, weep with joy. Just sayin'....if you thought Snyder/Nolan...(SNolan, if you will) would do a straight requel and give in to an extremely difficult balancing act like Bryan Singer had to attempt, then...you're wrong. And as for Cavill, get off your asses, procure the Tudors in the most expedient fashion, and watch his noble performance as King Henry's most trusted friend and confidant, then tell me he won't nail the dramatic scenes standing toe to toe with Shannon and Traue.

F.U. Hollywood. Just make the stories better, and leave the goddamned costumes alone. Before we believe a man can fly, I want to believe he's REAL. Everything else is SURFACE. I hate the new comics update, and I hate the new movie design. F.U. D.C. F.U. Snyder. And while we're at it, F.U. Shumacher. Have fun with your gay porn versions of traditional superheroes, you dickwads.

And not just another human, or superpowered humanoid. The lack of imagination in the Superman franchise has been staggering. Superman, over the 70+ years of his existence has fought every kind of alien and monster imaginable, and all they can come up with in movies is Lex Luthor or some Kryptonians. Pitiful. Hopefully, Snyder has a lot more imagination than that.

Whatever troll was clamoring for a 40's Superman movie did get one thing right: slicked back hair and glasses just aint gonna cut it in a world with iphones, facial recognition, camcorders, etc.
I dont have any suggestions off the top of my head, but there has to be a better alternative. Maybe some arcane Kryptonian technology? Jor El was a genius after all, with a real gift for foresight.
I dont expect them to tackle this particular issue, but if the did id be ok with it even if it veered from canon.

or utilities?
or even a belt?
those tights are right on the skin, no belt is needed to keep them from falling off
and superman doesnt need to store stuff on himself
it takes him a microsecond to store any personal effects anywhere he wants and come back
superman never 'needs' anything because it takes him a blink of an eyes worth of time to go back home and get whatever he needs
and who is that villain?
its brainiac

Yeah Everyone in DC is getting rebooted in a month (Lets see how long that last) Superman has been a household name for 60+ years everyone knows what his outfit looks like unfortunatly everything I've seen of this movie has Zack snyders style all over it. Now don't get me wrong I usually love Snyder's style most of the time the type of film he makes, complements his style, but Superman is not suppose to be dark brooding and filmed in Sepia, with CGI backgrounds.

I won't even dignify SUCKERPUNCH by calling it a movie. It was an overblown music video/video game and I can't believe that I actually spent money to see it. Honestly, I would love the opportunity of asking Zack Snyder for my money back. I figure that it's the least he can do since I can never get back the 2 hours of my life that I wasted watching it. As for the red underwear... Superman, much like Mickey Mouse, is one of the most famous and and instantly recognizable fictional characters in the world. Would you make a Mickey Mouse movie without his red shorts? If you feel the "undies" are silly, then why not get rid of the cape as well, or the flying, etc. It's the nature of the source material. I never cease to be amazed by some of the decisions the suits working at the studios make... like greenlighting SUCKERPUNCH, for one. I could have saved the studio millions of dollars and told them that it was going to be shit just by reading the screenplay (if one was even written for it).

Dont expect them to cover this either, but i wouldnt be averse to a few moments of exposition (jor el talking to his wife maybe) perhaps revealing some krypton/earth connection from the distant past. Id actually prefer if Kal El wasnt aware of this connection, but its all probably moot anyway.
Yes, Im a nerd.

I know it will probably look better in the finished film but I just don't like the shiney, textured rubber look of most super hero movie suits these days. Not fussed either way if the undies are there or not but perhaps a yellow belt might help to break up the blue a bit?

hollywoodhellraiser said: "Dunno what Warner/DC is trying to do but this just going to be a charmless Supes who punches his way throughout the movie!"
That's EXACTLY what I want to see. I want to see superman being super and punching faces... Superman Returns tried to further the superman storyline and didn't seem to care about showing superman kick ass... instead we got melodrama... That's why I think Synder will make this work--he's a visual storyteller and I want the new superman movie to be a SPECTACLE, and that's right up synder's alley

I like the idea of him looking like more than just a cute mensch in pastel underoos.
I understand its a bit of a departure, but i think its much more interesting for them to emphasize his alien otherness more than they have previously.
And a touch of angst wouldnt necessarily be a bad thing. The guy is supposedly trying to figure things out. Maybe by the end of the movie he can become this boyscout/shining beacon for democracy blah blah blah.

...god I love the fact that a day can be spent deliberating the inclusion/exclusion of red pants.
Maybe Snyder is fucking with us and those red tighties will be be cgi'd in afterwards - maybe he has Linford Christie mo'capping them as we speak.
Fill it with fucking action. That's the film, by the way, not the pants.

Brah, I'm pretty confident that they are indeed Kryptonian...the problem is that most people still have the semi-senile looking Terence Stamp (no diss on his performance, he simply looks old) and Richard Kiel and the other lady firmly in mind. Find a pic of recent iterations of Zod (2005-forward) in the comics, and I'm sure you'll agree that's precisely the aesthetic they're going for in this iteration of Supes.

Completly agree with what you said about RED SON. The ending was quite a very elegant way to finish the story, and as you said, it actually does make quite a lot of sense. It's also quite poetic in the revel of who Superman was.
Brillant story, RED SON. Makes me even wish that was the real official Superman.
I heard that once John Cleese from Monthy Pythons once wrote an alternative history Superman comic in which this time Superman as a baby instead of landing in USA he did in rural England. He was called COLIN KENT, and he grew upa stereotypical repressed englishman of the 1950s. His powers came late to him because he was constantly repressing them. Never read that comic, but aparently it's quite good, and pretty funny.

Yeah, if trunks really are that ridiculous (the red trunks are an integral part of the look of the character for over 70 years), they should have removed the cape for being just as impractical and ridiculous. Also, how is that possible that he puts some glasses on and no one can tell Superman apart from Clark Kent? How does that fit the "real" world Goyer, Snyder and Nolan are aiming for? Whatever, the spitcurl is gone too.
Basically this shit is shaping up to be just as bad as Superman Returns but for entirely different reasons.

I also agree with you that any future Superman movie should emphasise his alieness. He is, indeed, the Son Of Krypton. Too often Superman is just an alien in name only, he's always presented as fully human, when he's not. It's about time Superman is a Son Of Krypton for real instead of just lip service.
Fri example, his tireless atempt at doing the right thing and help those in need without ever corrupting himself with his own power could be an essencial kryptonian characteristic of which his moral uprising by the Kents just gave him a patern and a philosophy to back him up. He had it in him, he just needed a name to go with it.

At least from the fifties on(previously, Clark Kent was an intrepid reporter-fearless and typical of the 1940's Hollywood ideal of a man), is not the look so much as the act. Clark Kent is such a bumbling fool that he can't POSSIBLY be Superman! Superman never trips, stutters, or makes mistakes, etc...and I know-most people would assume that it was a disguise-but we live in a world of reality and cynicism, comics are a world of black and white...

Apart from him acting like a bumbling fool, I think, is that no one suspects Superman of actually having a secret identity. People just think he's Superman all the time, because to the people of that world he's basically a god.
At least, that was an explanation given in one of those Superman/Batman comics, I think... and I always thought it was a pretty good one.

What I was thinking seeing this now and listening to Kevin Smith. Snyder and Burton remind me so much of each other Snyder is Burton of tis generation, he might be an actual fit for a Batman Reboot or a Daredevil reboot not Superman.

A BUFF Superman!!
Hmm.. his name is Superman yet he's always been portrayed on screen as an "everyman" size.
Routh was freaking yoked but Singers painted-on costume didn't show it off. Reeve was tiny. I'm so glad Snyder is going the buff and tuff route with this Superman film. About. Damn. Time.
Also I'm glad the one part of Superman's costume that has been made fun of the most in his entire 73 year career is GONE. FUCK those stupid red undies.

they need a more striking belt line to offset the absence of the trunks. So, no surprise then that Hollywood has fucked up Supie's costume. You didn't expect them to reinvent it and actually improve it did you? Hollywood can't do that. Not enough talent to go around in that town.But you can bet there's an awesome fast food tie-in all set in stone. The toy line and the video game are near completion. You knew they'd get that right. And, really, that's all that counts.

It's obviously Non... like you've all forgot about that big movie lumox?!... you know Zod's big muscle-head in the best Superman movie ever... II... actor had to wear platform shoes to look taller... but it just made him look the same size as everyone else... but on platform shoes...
only now they prob using something called cgi instead of platform shoes...
This shot is prob Non and newly-named villain chick (what the fuck is wrong with the name Ursa?)... squaring up to Superpantless after Zod has been kicked into a billboard... or summit... I just hope they have Terrence Stamp playing one of the Kryptonite Council of Elders... Guilty... Guilty... Guilty... (gets to Terrence) Kneeel before... oh sorry... CUT!

Enough already. Its been 30+ years, and those years have seen MANY MANY different interpretations of this character. There is absolutely no need for cameos or easter eggs or allusions to those earlier films.
I grew up with them, I love them, but its over. Move the fuck on.

New score. New look. New plot.
Best thing about this film thus far is Lex Luthor isn't in it.
So now we know there will be no; real estate scheme, retarded henchmen, bad guys made of the sun(fucking lol), kryptonite.
Although they could easily equip the military with krypto. Since it seems the military will be heavily involved as their are two main characters playing military roles, i'd be ok with them using kryptonite against the Kryptonians. Epic.

OK. I'll be real.
Kid, get the fuck over yourself.
When people think Superman, they are always gonna think red undies on the outside. It's been that way for 70 years. It'll be that way seventy years from now.
Tell me all about how sophisticated you are and how you're above red panties and blah-blah-blah.
You're HIGHER than the guy who thinks those are Cavil's real muscles.
Don't do drugs. Everybody's dumber when they do drugs. And you Millennials don't have that much intelligence you can waste.

But a Luthor thats smarter than Einstein, richer than Bill Gates, more ambitious than Alexander, and more ruthless than Stalin, now that i could get excited about. Casting, of course, would be absolutely crucial.
I wouldnt even mind if lexcorp, or even lex himself, is mentioned in passing in MOS. But if hes gonna be in the sequel, he better be an utter badass.

There is no subtext.
It's plain as day.
This is gay. Beyond gay.
Those Schumacher rubber muscles don't evoke super strength or anything super, really.
Nope. They're THUPER.
Thuperman looks like he'd be better off strutting around Provincetown with his partner, a hairdresser named Raul.
Ugh.

That's neat how they ripped off that weird scaly look from the Spiderman reboot, even going so far as to obscure the crotch in the official picture, that's really cool what they're doing with superheroes these days. Hope they continue follow this formula for success with the traditional face-fucking of a stuntman, but maybe that's a Marvel vs. DC thing? I always get those confused?

as long as they're just small things, here and there, and not the entire movie like Supmerman Returns...what the fuck was that?? On the heels of Batman Begins no less. A great fresh take on Batman, then a quasi shit reboot/sequel of Donner's Superman..?

Have them be the ones invading earth: Ultraman, Owlman and Super Woman forcing supes in sequel to bring together JLA.
Yeah, I know wont happen but Super Womans outfit is wayyy better than the super dominatrix above or the villainess from Masters of the Universe movie with Dolph which it looks like.

... put on a pair of red fruit of the loom in protest.. Let's all do this, go out and buy fruit of the loom red underwear .. Then send them an email saying that we will support them if they decide to buy product placement in the new Superman movie and give Superman his red undies back!
... this could potentially work since the idiots at WB are only looking for the green paper right now..

..His hair looks a little more tame than in that Bank/promo shot that you all got so upset over.
I actually quite like the new look they've taken here. Remember this is meant to be a NEW talk on the character and first and foremost it needs to distance itself from the classic Donner movies. I will miss it but the John Williams tune would do nothing but make the audience sit and compare the two (for better or worse) the entire time. I admire that they are removing the safety net and not connecting this film to the old ones like Returns did.
I am frankly amazed that the suits signed of on this in the first place without Lex Luthor in there somewhere....Batman Begins played this way too with Ra's and Crane and look how well that turned out. We don't need the characters most well known villian in every single origin/reboot, its okay to save them for a sequel when the universe is nice and established. Although in saying this, I hope that if we 'must' have General Zod in this then at least give us Metallo or ( I wish) Darkseid. The latter would be amazing and really deserves his own 2-part sequel if you ask me. Just go all out and show some real loss and destruction of Earth and rase the stakes a little...don't just politelty shake Metropolis a little bit and have the climax be Supe's catching the Daily Planet Statue or pushing an island into space or something boring like that.

Did Cavill have time to bulk up properly? I mean, theyre called steroids and they work great im told. Anyone know the answer?
Not that i care, but muscle suits never look quite real, which is why Spidey and Batman stopped using them.
Besides, I prefer a less musclebound Supes (in the comics anyway).
Okay this slightly gay, so ill shut up now.
Not that theres anything wrong with that.

is foolish and selfish. Really, anyone uncomfortable with the flamboyant or outrageous depictions of these characters shouldn't bother making superhero movies, reading comic, or caring about the matter. It's as stupid as, say, a goth kid wishing professional sports would alter the designs of the uniforms to appeal to her sensibilities.

Scratch that. It's not that I'm smarter, wiser, or nerdier. No, it's the fact that I appreciate the source material, the comics, and the Donner-era but I'm just tired of the same boy scout BULLSHIT. Aren't you?!
I mean, it's great to think of a movie where all they did was capture the essence of the character, his story arc, and his rogue gallery. But let's be honest, that won't happen. So how about we let the IP become an artistic property. Something that the suits can greenlight, while allowing that special artistic integrity many of you now defend with Nolan.
What if Superman didn't look like Reeves? What if he didn't act like a the "All-Amercan" boring BS? What if he had flaws, shit that made him more human than a boner for Louis and an affliction to Kryptonite. What if Snyder pulls off something fresh and special in a market saturated with supers?
Let's be honest, if this doesn't work, the franchise is finished. I for one will not shed a tear considering the already nostalgic fervor many of you have for the Reeve's iteration (and his shorts). I can only hope this breathes new life into a character that has, for a long time, been a cardboard cutout of itself.
Supe, I like seeing a new you; it looks good on us.

then why don't they just do a complete overhaul? The half-assed redesigns in this and Spiderman are worse than any new idea they could possibly come up with. The new costume means this is a renter for me. Although in fairness it would have been anyway with Zack Snyder directing it.

I'm GLAD that the superpanties are gone. In the 1930's, when Superman's costume was based off of something a circus strongman would wear, the superpanties looked just fine. They worked because they were meant to recall a very specific look--Superman was basically just an EXTRA strong "strongman" so it made sense. But modern day Superman is supposed to look regal, and majestic....a look that's impossible to maintain with the Superpanties.
Everything about this uniform SCREAMS regality. It's perfect. Superman's suit needs to be a UNIFORM not a costume.
And I, personally, never cared for the whole "Ma made the suit for me" thing. NEVER.

I love how the "no shorts" supporters keep falling back on the argument "It's time to move on! It's time to do something different! The shorts looked gay!"
Riiiiiiiiight. Because walking around in a full blue body suit...with colored boots...as well as having an actual emblem on your chest...
...And most of all, dragging a big ass fucking CAPE behind you somehow looks MORE manly.
Are you fucking kidding me! Let me repeat that for the terminally retarded around here. HE WALKS AROUND DRAGGING A FUCKING CAPE BEHIND HIM. Yet somehow you morons think the red shorts made him look gay. Seriously, WTF???
The shorts were there for a reason. They helped to break the costume up visually. They were a nice touch and I agree it's a misstep to remove them.
Then again, considering I think this costume looks like UTTER SHIT anyway -- given its laughable rubber texture, coupled with a color choice that is waaaaay too dark -- what's the point in arguing about the shorts given that they fucked it up right from the start?
For crying out loud, we're talking about THE most iconic superhero costume in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD -- yet Warner Bros, DC Comics and Snyder still managed to blow it. To which I say FUCK YOU for your ridiculous and misguided hipster thinking that you needed to "update" or "fix" the ONE thing that was NEVER broken.
Good work, guys...NOT.

I respect your opinion-I really do. To be honest-I agree with some of what you're saying. Here's the problem:much as I love the Donner/Reeve Superman-I'm not nostalgic at all. I'd love to see a fresh take on my favorite hero. But not with this Turd playing him, and not with Snyder directing. It's not a good fit. I could care less if it has a connection to another film-but for fuck's sake it should conne t to the comic-and it's about more than the mundies, or the stupid rubber scalely texture(though it's atrocious), it's about the fact that, "superman wandering the earth trying to decide if he wants to be a hero" is COMPLETELY contrary to the character. He never questioned it-he accepted it-gladly. It's about the fact that Snyder is not a competent storyteller on his own. Dawn of the dead wasn't really that good-sorry, it just wasn't. 300 was good because Feank Miller was on set everyday. Watchmen was good because he had Dabe Gibbons. Legend of the guardians he had the authors family, I believe. Sucker punch-all alone and it was crap-he loses sight of the narrative in favor of," you know what would be cool?!" and that's how you end up with dumb shit like zombie infants and Jonathan Kent being ripped away by a tornado. Sorry to get long winded-but I hope you understand where I'm coming from-it's not film nostalgia-it's reverence for a character that has been the same for over 70 years-and the fact that they haven't HAD to try to change it says something, I think

It never ceases to amaze me just how pretentious these assholes in Hollywood are. What kind of ego does a guy like Tim Burton or Zack Snyder have to posess to think that they can improve on somebody else's art? No, Burton, you CAN'T write a better Alice in Wonderland than Carrol, no, Snyder, you insufferable douche, you CAN'T design a better superman costume than Siegel and Shuster...

If they also get rid of the boots. So that the only red is on the top of the costume. Otherwise it just looks like something's missing.
But the movie's gonna suck anyway. Henry Cavill's too small to be superman. And with Snyder directing there will be no naturalism, which I think is key to a good superhero story. Not realism mind you, but naturalism. The way a film can feel like its part of our world even tho its ridiculous. I've never seen anything by Snyder that wasn't deliberately surreal in style, and that includes Dawn of the Dead.

I'm not trying to say I wouldn't LOVE some super ass kicking-but it can't come at the expense of sacrificing the character. You know what tbe best incarnations of Superman are? The straight to DVD DC animation. They GET IT! They get the whole essence of the character. They capture the action. For my money-the best watchable version of Superman was Allstar. It captured who he was as a character, his intelligence, his power, his will(and not to sound to cheesy), his love. THAT is something I'd live to see! Fuck yes it needs action-but it has to be Superman-he can't just pinch his wY through the entire movie lol

would someone of the haters explain to me where exactly the movie failed so horribly??? In my eyes its one of the best comic book movies ever made and the changes it made to the source material made it even better than the comic by Alan Moore.
GASP! Oh yeah, I said it! The ending was changed a bit, but it was more spot on about what it should say as the giant squid scenario.
Sucker Punch sucked... I give you that, and Snyder is no Nolan or Scorsese, BUT he makes really fun flicks and is the best choice for Superman.

That people are trying to say "HOW DARE SNYDER TRYING TO CHANGE SOMEONE ELSE'S CREATION WTF DOWN WITH HOLLYWOOD!!!11!"
The Superman suit as been changed on a regular basis since its inception. The hue of blue, the type of boots, the type of belt, the size, shape and color scheme of the "S" symbol, the length of the cape, the neckline and even the color of the underpants. And now the suit has been changed again, and the Superpanties have been removed, both in the comics and the forthcoming movie.
The Superman suit being changed is nothing new.
So: GET OVER IT. Comic books are all about change, and as the first "true" superhero, Superman is as good an example of that as any.

And frankly, from the director that it is, i can't expect this to go for the best. Quite the contrary.
I guess my saving grace is that i was never a big fan of SUPERMAN. I enjoy the comics, but was never a fan. Never identified much with the character. There is a lot of true potential to the character, which is still left to be explored because the comics and the movies keep beating the same points again and again and again and again.
And if this movie flops, the good i'll see of it is that it makes two on a row for Zack The Hack Snyder. And i enjoy seeing a hack's movie flop. It's the only way an hack can get the hurt, because their movies have no other merits besides crass comemrcialism.

I actually love watchmen-the casting was spot on-the ending did make the point just as well-but sometimes muthafuckas just need giant squid haha! As I said before-Snyder is fine if given guidance-which he had on watchmen-he sucks on his own, and tbe fact that he feels the need to darken tbe suit colors up so much tells me thst he misses the point-superman is gonna slow mo ki k tbe shit outta this movie...and that's all. As for who would do better-I honestly couldn't say. It's hard to find that special director that can do both action and narrative. I might even be more hopeful for this film if tbe cast was better-but I feel like it's wrong on all counts, with tbe rxception, oddly, of Laurence Fishburne

Are you familiar with Earth One? Replace Tyrrell with Zod and throw in a little Amanda Waller government secret shit a'la Superman Batman:the Search for Kryptonite, and I believe you have your story...how Snyder translates it to the screen is questionable. Also-the Snyder suit is A LOT like Earth One

I said the ending of the Watchmen movie was better than the ending of the Watchmen comic Because.......drumroll please........It WAS a better ending!
Watchmen is an amazing comic, but the fact of the matter is that Moore ripped off his ending from an old episode of The Twilight Zone. The ending of the Watchmen Film stays true to the point that the comic's ending was trying to prove, while making it a much more cohesive part of the overall plot.
As I said, it's not an argument, it's a fact.
And again, the Synder bashing is ridiculous.
Dawn of the Dead: Fun as all hell
300: Amazing
Watchmen: Amazing
Legend of the Guardians: Fun kids flick
Sucker Punch: Horrible, terrible, awful, complete misfire. Waste of my life that I wish I could get back.
All in all: That's a track record that, along with a story conceived by the folks behind Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I trust.
The truth about comic book fans is that you all will automatically hate any movie that changes ANYTHING about your beloved heroes, even if the change makes sense, and improves upon the mythology of the character.
You have a sense of ownership over these stories. They are YOURS, dammit and how dare someone try and steal your shit, and then CHANGE IT!
I get it. Really, I do.
But you're wrong.
So get over it.

Not going to waste any more of my time arguing with Snyder-bashing underpants-loving talkbackers.
Because in order to have a true argument, a true DEBATE, both sides must have a valid point to prove.
And a valid point is something the Snyder-bashing-underoo-lovers simply do not have.

You make valid points, although I disagree, I think Dawn of the Dead was Terrible-I quite enjoyed the other three. The reason I don't trust, "the creators of BB and Dark Knight" is because they themselves admitted to NOT liking the character. I don't care how awesome your Batman movie is-if you don't like the character one of two things will happe. Either the movie will be halfassed or the character gets changed to something the writer DOES like-in Goyer and Nolan's case, that happens to be gritty, dark, and duplicitous. Superman? Duplicitous maybe, but dark and gritty? Not superman-that's just not the character. But I do 100% agree that we fans get defensive over "our" characters. But why shouldn't we? Superman, for example, as silly as it sounds, has gotten me through some very hard times in my life-and you're right-I don't want to see tbe essence if tbe character change. I could care less about the mundies-I think the all blue scaly shit looks stupid-but so be it. But I just don't think thR film is going to portray what it needs to...I hope I'm wrong-I truly do-but I fear I'm not

I agree-and I Love debate and discussion-and I've had many good ones with fans on this site-but I can't stand tbe childishness on this site:you offer an opinion and you're a "douche" why? Isn't that what talkbacks are for? Anyhow-hope my opinion was valid enough to keep this one going-I enjoy you're poi t of view and respect the adulthood with which you conduct yourself. Honestly, I know he's not popular all tbe time and I don't always agree with him-but asimovlives usually refrains from the name calling as well-I've had a few good conversations with him as well

I love Jim lee from the early 90's-however I haven't seen much of the new stuff-lol, I even have a Jim lee piece tattooed on the whole length of my upper leg haha-but a collar on superman does sound stupid-I shall have to look into this

Nolan, Goyer, etc. were referring to the fact that they didn't see Superman as a character that they could make compelling for an audience to watch. He and Goyer came up with a great story, it seems, when they figured out that what makes Superman compelling is the "human element" underneath all of the abilities. How does a young man come to grips with being a god among men? How does he cope with the massive responsibility that his abilities entail? THAT is what makes superman compelling: WHY he wakes up every day, and decides to help human beings when he COULD be ruling them. Once the Nolan camp realized this, they realized that Superman is a character worth exploring on film.
And to say that Nolan's involvement with Superman means that supes is going to be "dark and gritty" is missing the point as to WHY his Batman films achieved the "dark and gritty" feel to begin with. Nolan didn't create "dark and gritty" Batman movies, he created HONEST Batman movies. Batman movies that spoke to the true essence of the character, which is wrapped tightly in dark and gritty tones. Those movies achieved that tone organically, by speaking to the true nature of the Batman's character.
And that's exactly what his story will do with Superman: speak to the true essence of Clark Kent's character. EVERY SINGLE film that Nolan has made have been completely character driven. The tone of his movies exists as an extension of the characters that he populates the film with. That's why I trust Nolan's story to get the tone right with Superman: because he's not a "dark and gritty filmmaker" he's a character filmmaker, and a DAMN good one at that.
And Zak Snyder? He's a GIGANTIC Superman fan. This movie is his dream. He get's that Superman is a character meant to inspire hope.
And when I said comic book fans get defensive, I was referring to the ridiculously small, unimportant things they get all up in a tizzy about like, say, weather or not their character is wearing underpants on the outside of his costume or not. But because the fans have lived with these characters for so long, even the little things become GIGANTIC. They just don't have any objectivity when it comes to their characters, thus very little about what they say regarding said little changes is valid. Believe me, I AM a huge comic fan. I understand. But that doesn't make it logical.

A gritty tor seedy tone or some otherwise dark moody feel/its like that in all of his films. So I guess I'm left to wonder-do the characters in his films necessitate that, or do his characters conform to his style? And I agree 100%-nolan is perfect for Batman-because it suits his particular brand of filmmaking. I stand corrected-I thought I remember reading an interview with Goyer where he said he "hated Superman as a character-the boyscout thing and the always doing the right thing are dated and don't connect" something along those lines-which I disagree with-we need a Superman in the world NOW more than ever. I'm glad Snyder is a fan-but if it's his dream, why does he feel it necessary to anger what seems to be 90% of the rest of the fanbase by changing it? I'm a huge Superman fan-but that doesn't qualify me to make movies. And I'm not Dnyder bashing, per se, I rather like three out of five of his movies. I actually enjoy Bay movies too-but I know what I'm getting with it-a good escapist time at the multiplex. Snyder will bring action, sure, but can he deliver the goods on the rest of it? Snyder aside, I actually can't stand Cavill as an actor either. To be fair, I've only seen him for 5 minutes banging a chick in the Tudors, 5 minutes being an asshole in Stardust, and ten minutes each in hellraiser:hellbound and Bloodcreek, cuz it was all I could stand of those bullshit movies. also-I think what I've seen of his acti g in the immortals trailer looks horrible. But, maybe he won't suck. What worries me, is that he wasn't good enough for Singer, who, let's be honest, is a superior filmmaker to Snyder-say what you wNt about Superman Returns-but if that's singers worst movie, it's still better than suckerpunch. Please don't get disheartened or angry with me-these are honest questions I have-but you HAVE made me more open to the idea. Perhaps I should do what I did with Xmen first class and Avatar and reserve judgement...then again, I did that for Xnen the Last Stand too lol

Although I still think this is going to basically be Earth One...since Goyer and Nolan wrote this script right after that book hit...kind of like when Nolan came up with inception right after it was told in a Scroofe McDuck comic...lol-that doesn't diminish him as a filmmaker-I just find it humorous. I rather like Earth One tho-other than tbe ovey emo superman. Like I said above-Allstar superman is the best version they've done yet-animated or otherwise, on film

300 - gay porn
Watchmen - blue cock porn
Sucker Punch - schoolgirl porn
Superman - bulging rubber porn
While not a fan of Snyder's work, because like porn, it gets boring after about 7 minutes, I think Cavill is the big mistake of this movie - he looks like a guy dressed up to look like Superman. You'd meet him at a Halloween party and think 'well he's certainly tried hard - now I realise how difficult it is for a grown man to wear a skin tight blue leotard with dignity and confidence'.

Amy Adams is a fine actress and a beautiful woman-but so is Helen Mirren and she's just about as good a pick as Adams for Lpis Lane(by this I mean not at all)
Kevin Costener-love the guy! Totally gonna ruin every scene he's in in a film like this-this requires a suspension of disbelief, the actors have to pull you into the story-but Costener is always Costener, and every time he's on the screen, I'm just going be thinking,"yup, there's Kevin Costener" Bruce Greenwood would have been a better pick
Russel Crowe-lo e him! Wasted on a part like this, where I'm sure he won't get much screen time
Diane Lane-waaayyy too hot to be Martha-sorry, but, I shouldn't want to fuck Martha Kent more than Lois Lane...Julianne Moore would have worked better in that regard, but Disne will do fine
Michael Shannon...fine actor, not intimidating to me in the least-would have been happier with Viggo Mortensen or Gerard Butler as Zod
Laurence Fushburne...actually...I think he's a great fit for Perry-I don't give a shit what color he is-he's a good fit for the role

No, the ending of the film Watchmen is far worst then the comics. It's a stupid, simplistic idiotic ending that doesn't even understand it's own implications. Which is to be expected from a Zack Brainless Snyder movie.
It's so funny to see where Snyder crosses the line. Showing a god-like figure who's constantly naked and shows off his dong is acceptable to him but to show a monster creature which is DELIBERATLY SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A WEIRD AS SHIT ALIEN FROM ANOTHER WORLD is where he thinks things had gone too far? Without even undestanding the why that was put in the comics?
Snyder is a stupid ass bullshitter who can't compreend basic plot logic and it's implications. Fucker is an over-priced second unit director who should had never raised in rank.

As for that sense of ownership thingy you mention, don't project into others your own way of thinking, dude. Maybe this is a novel concept to you, but me, i have a terrible dislike for stupidity in my entertaiment. And there's no lack of deep crass stupidity in Snyder's movies. Stupidity does not entertain me. Do you know what i mean?

now i cna only see the hints at the fucked up terrible filmmaker that Snyder became afterwars spreaded out in the movie. What ocne was tolerable little quirks in his first movie becames inflated and dominant in his movies afterwards. So no, i can't even endure Snyder's DAWN OF THE DEAD anymore. Not because i think it's a bad movie per se, but because i just keep seeing the seeds of the shit he become.

Honesty, that's the key word you som very well pointed out. Those movies feel honest.
Howeve,r you need to be able to pull that off, that honesty you speak of. Nolan can. But even if that's what they are going for Superman and they ahcieved on the script, i doubt it will translate to the screen. Why? Because of Snyder, that's why. People are just asking a sophistication from Snyder that he doesn't have. It's not enough that there's gold in the papel, you need to translate that to moving images. Snyder can't. He has a whole career as proof of that. Sucker Punch is the epithome of what he can achieve as a filmmaker, and it's quite sad. Not evn with a great original material like WATCHMEN he could make a movie that's not riddled with wrong-headed decisions and stupidity.

I never got good escapism from a Bay (or snyder) movie. All i get is extreme insult and extreme stupidity. I do not equate those with entertaiment. i don't know what makes people find enjoyment in the type of movies which are nothing more then being called stupid to your face for two hours or more while you pay for the "priviledge". How can that be called entertaiment escapes me completly.

If anything, the actors who are going to play the Kents, good and likable actors that they are, are just a bit TOO YOUNG for the role as i have learned from who the Kents are, or were as created.
From what i have learned about the Kents, they should be modern day representations of the biblical figures of Abraham and Sarah. Two people who only got their first child already entering old age. And then, by miracle, this creature form another world, this boy from a space ship cames to their doorstep and becames their son. with it's due changes, it is a replay of the story of Abraham and Sarah. It's clear that the creators of Superman were thinking of that when they first created the character and his background.
If anything, making the Kents odler then the actros who will portait them is a great chance at milking a potential dramatic possibility, one which could resonate with audiences: the couple who, after they lost hope, they finally get their own child. Who surpasses anything they could ever hope for or dreamed.
The Kents as they are going to be in the Snyder's movie seems more like a repetition of the Kents as seen in SMALLVILLE: relatively young very good looking people who should be modeling, not working at a farm.

That's my preferred suit. A sleeker and better built Burton suit.
I really love the Burton suit but the fact he can't move his head at all does make it quite impractical. Although from a pure filmmaking standpoint, the restrictions on movement in the Burton suit helped add to the uniqueness of the first Batman. They had something called the "Batman turn" where he whips his whole body around because he can't turn his neck at all. I always loved the way the Batman turns looked, never occurred to me it was because the costume was too thick and stiff.

Fuck you dude, I am no troll, and I am the one who wants a Superman movie set in the 40s. I never said that I wont watch or enjoy this new flick. i said the outfit looks 90s as fuck.
I will be watching this movie the first day it comes out. I do not know if it will suck or not. i cannot see into the future.

Don't like the story? Fine, whatever. The fact remains that the directing, which is the only impact Snyder is having on Man of Steel, is fucking beautiful.
Oh and I like slow motion so go fuck yourself.

if you are talking about the replacement of the squid ending,nope sorry but Snyder's ending wanst true at all to the meaning of the comic's ending and clearly shows that Snyder missed the entire point of Moore's masterpeice.

im a superman fan. over all others. batman, spider-man, the x-men. superman is my guy.
i dont get all the monthly as they come out, but i buy the good arcs when they hit TPB. i downloan the animated films when they hit the net AND i buy them when they hit the store. watch those and the films all the time.
with this film, the costume is ok. the suit is blue, the cape is red, the sheild is big. the actors cast are good actors, the director and writers have their strengths AND their weaknesses, but i think theyre a good match up.
just tell your self; we nearly got a tim burton superman with nic cage in a edward sciccorhands suit with disco lights on it.

Will have superman grabbing the box Jor-El left him with the superman outfit and although at first glance it will seem to be empty, he will notice a false bottom and after removing it he will find the red trunks and yellow belt... thus preparing us for the Man of Steel: Completion

All visual, no emotion. Sorry. I didn't feel a thing for any of the characters. And that is the directors responsibilty. If his Superman is all cool visuals and no heart, then it will join the junkpile of Watchmen and Sucker Punch.

The movie was still meh, but even Alan Moore has stated that the interdemensional space squid thingy was pretty ridiculous.
Beyond that, the movie was a complete waste of time, and other than surface details, had NOTHING to do with the text or subtext of the source material. NOTHING.
That said, i still think Snyder's style, in collaboration with Nolan, could still work very well in a Superman movie.

A 40's Superman movie isnt the dumbest idea in the world. It would probably make a good animated dc movie.
And you're right about not judging this thing til we see some of the finished product. Or better yet, the movie as a whole.

We needed to give a shit about Nightowl and Silk Spectre (Dan and whatshername), and we didnt. The actors needed to be much more emotive than they were.
I think the reason everyone can agree on the quality of Dawn of the Dead is at least partly because it had some very very good actors in it. Sarah Polley, Mekhi Phiffer (sp?), Ving Rhames, and some quality character actors. My guess is Snyder had little to do with the casting, but i dont know that for a fact.
Point is, we cared about these characters because the actors made us care. Its why, to some extent, the movie surpassed the original. The remake didnt have Romero's subtext (consumerism, america's decline, etc), but the acting is much better lets face it.

I have a feeling that Snyder doesn't have the final say in the removal of the red undies..
I have a feeling that this comes from WB/DC execs that already have planned a no red undies Superman relaunch of the comic book.
While he might have some weight into the look of the whole thing, the order to remove certain aspect, the undies in question, might be coming from above so they won't need to pay the full amount to the creator's family...

to be fair and honest-I haven't seen him in all that much-he was great in the runaways, but based on that and a few other things he didn't seem very threatening. Everybody else seems to think he's perfect for this, though, so I am, admittedly, probably wrong on that one-I just need to see more of his work

This Super-man also looks like a bad ass. Sure the trunks missing kind of blows but it still looks good. Also if I was a bad guy and this superman showed up... I'd shit my pants. Looking forward to this.

No, i first come to this site one year after TDK was released. However, i once read an old talkback about TDk before it was released, and yes, too many people were spelling doom on the movie and comenting on Heath Ledger was so fucking wrong for the role and how the make up and the suit were so completly wrong, bla bla bla. Hindsight is a bitch, isn't it?

I would TOTALLY put a baby in Julianne Moore!!! I was just saying that given the choice between taking her or Amy Adams to the sack, I'd go with Amy-but Diane Lane is hotter than both of them lol-hope that cleared it up

The movie ending works better. It's not an argument, it's a fact. Again: anyone who says otherwise has no real valid point (butbutbutALANMOORE isn't a valid point), therefore it's not worth my time to elaborate on why it works better. It's like trying to explain why grass is green, or the sky is blue. Yes, an explanation exists, but to say that the sky isn't blue or that grass isn't green isn't a valid statement, therefore it's not worth going into.
It's nothing more than another case of a comic book fan getting pissy because something changed. As I said before, I understand that reaction, but it's still not valid.
THE END. Just as I've said my piece on the Superpanties, so to have I said all I can say about the ending of Watchmen. It works better than the comic. The end. Burying your fingers in your ears and screaming "Nu-UHHHHH NO IT DOESN'T!!!" won't make your point valid, no matter how loud you scream.

...was due to WRESTLING during the 1920s-1950s. Those men wore underwear on the OUTSIDE of their leotards.
If you ask me, it looks retarded. However, it makes sense when you think of it in the scope of history.
All of the famous "strong men" at the time wore them...so it was vogue for comic books.

There's no substance to them, its all visuals. I honestly dont know why people bitched about Sucker Punch. I knew exactly what I was expecting: a cool concept with flashy visuals with no substance to it.

You really didn't get the point of the comic. Or maybe you don't agree with it. Or maybe you
wanted a different story then what it is.
Thr ending of the movei is stupid and doesn't even understand it's own implications. Nor do you, it seems.

A FACT would be that you're being an asshole. Another fact is that Alan Moore has more artistic talent, and is more important in a broad cultural and literary sense, than the Zach Snyders of the world.
It's not Moore's fault that studio hacks keep making substandard movies from his work.
Its great that you enjoyed Watchmen. But its never gonna have a tenth the impact that the book had. Another easily verifiable fact. See the difference now?
Cant believe im on Asimov's side. Im having a weird week.

subtitlesoff said: "OK. I'll be real. Kid, get the fuck over yourself. When people think Superman, they are always gonna think red undies on the outside. It's been that way for 70 years. It'll be that way seventy years from now."
Nope. As it has been pointed out, Superman is (first and foremost) a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. And the comics are ditching the red shorts... so, seventy years from now, if these movies kept on going with the red shorts, the kids would be asking the same question we've always been asking, except they'll have their comics that don't have superman in the red shorts while these movies have them in them.
You're just another talkbacker who thinks he is an authority on superheroes yet doesn't keep up on comics.
Now you can proceed to going to wikipedia to prove me wrong by fishing for comic book knowledge to validate your opinions.
get over yourself. you're post was both condescending and uninformed.

big dumb ape said: "The shorts were there for a reason. They helped to break the costume up visually. They were a nice touch and I agree it's a misstep to remove them."
Read some of the other posts--it has been pointed out that the shorts were there because back in the day, strongmen wore them, so it wasn't as weird as it is now. it was a reference to THAT... it wasn't to break up the costume visually
and superheroes wear capes because it makes them harder targets to shoot at from behind.

I've seen reviewers bitch about no characters, no plot, no this, no that. In my opinion people that make these statements are just dumbfucks. They're too stupid and dense to fucking see the substance? Because the movie has some great characters and a good story, plot, and fucking substance. I personally really liked Sucker Punch and think the haters(yeah the morons in the majority) are a bunch of uncreative simpletons.

Capes really arent practical at all. They just (arguably) look cool on a superhero.
I read an interview with Nolan where he said he considered getting rid of the cape in all the non-aerial scenes. But he realized the cape looked really cool when batman's riding his batpod. Sometimes aesthetics win the day.

Hometown!
Seriously though, I wanted to love watchmen (the film), but i still have that unsatisfied feeling. The only way to do it right would be a fuckin massive unrated show on hbo, etc, with each episode clocking in at two hours. I liked the drab nihilism but it just didnt have that literary depth that the story demands. Watchmen (book) needed more room to breathe than any single 3 or 4 hour cut could give it.
Plus whatshername was pretty terrible. At least she got naked.

Actually, he did. Mickey's first film was "Plane Crazy" released may 15, 1928. Originally a silent cartoon, sound was added and it was re-released after the success of the very first sound sync cartoon "Steam Boat Willie" (also a Mickey Mouse cartoon) In it, he clearly has shorts. here's the official Walt Disney Studio link, if you don't believe me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZPzHg0h80

There exists a minority of people that like *any* god-awful bomb that's released.
If you Google 'Ishtar underrated', you get 73,200 hits.
Howard The Duck? Hell, there were 33,000 hits that argue that point.
So, yeah. Sucker Punch still sucks. One of the worst movies that I've ever paid to see in a movie theater. The late night audience, I remember, hated it so much, that they started talking back at the screen, while many got up and left. And this was a late night weekend, young crowd, that would be conducive to it.

....they were easier to draw, panel after panel, were more distinguishable and made for dynamic art shots.
At least according to a documentary on the History channel about the early comic book industry.

If I weren't used to seeing them all these years I certainly wouldn't miss them. But they've become part of the most iconic image in the history of comics. Wearing red trunks certainly didn't hamper Christopher Reeve's performance. I don't understand the change for change's sake. There are many things that could be altered/updated/improved for this reboot, but why that? (Ya wanna give someone blue trunks, give 'em to Dr. Manhattan. He could use 'em.)

I own the unrated extended blu-ray but haven't watched it yet so I'm not sure I'm right, but it felt like shit got cut and some plot points that didn't make sense are hopefully corrected on the directors cut.

In Snyder's defense, he just didnt hav enough time to make us care about ANY of the characters. There were other issues, but this was a biggie.
It might have worked if they completely revamped the story, excised certain characters, etc. but theyd be left with something that barely resembled the source material. In which case, whats the point?
An HBO limited series, even with lower production values, was our best bet at getting a truly satisfying adaptation. Even if it meant a Dr. Manhattan with blue greasepaint.

Supermans suit is to iconic to change like they have.... dropped the yellow s dropped the red trucks made the suit shiny and darker and scaly and changed superman hair.... the colors I don't mind being played with darker or light even the s size I don't care about... but the integrity of the suit o do care about..... give the man his trunks back

The only person to get it right was the director of that silly Dead End short. Iconic imagery is an essential facet of a superhero story.
It's hypocritical to say that the super underwear isn't important whether it's there or not, and yet go into paroxysms of joy over the fact that it's finally gone. If it wasn't important you wouldn't care either way.
The rubber texture doesn't make sense. Advanced alien tech would be able to mimic the textures of Earth fibers. Rubberized fabric isn't outside the scope of human tech. Also, the cape is just as silly as the shorts.

I'm defending the story. Because it did have a good story, some good characters, etc. And yet it seems to be very trendy to accuse Sucker Punch of being a one trick pony, when it clearly is not. It's fuckin LAZY writing, most of the bone-head bad reviews it got. The movie is a lot like a movie about a prison escape. But set in 3 different levels of reality/surreal dreamstates. How the fuck is that devoid of substance?
I wasn't confused by the film at all. It was mysterious at the start as you tried to piece together exactly what was going on. Like a good mystery. And by the end of the film it all came together perfectly and it all made sense. Well fucking written. Very well written. Superb art direction as usual. Excellent action scenes. Great acting, the villain was the best character in the movie. No characters? BULLSHIT. Beautiful film. Fucking A+

Are you familiar with Earth One? Replace Tyrrell with Zod and throw in a little Amanda Waller government secret shit a'la Superman Batman:the Search for Kryptonite, and I believe you have your story...how Snyder translates it to the screen is questionable. Also-the Snyder suit is A LOT like Earth One

Iconography is essential to an iconic figure. And when that character's appearance is so recognizable, changing something is going to be a distraction. Especially when one thing is changed, and everything else looks the same. We all know what superman looks like. Without the trunks it looks like something's missing. Like he was in a hurry and couldn't find them or something.
And the cape has just as much reason to exist as the shorts. They're both aesthetic features. That's it.
So if the filmmakers really didn't like the shorts they should have completely redesigned the costume. Maybe go with the blue energy superman, or something like that. No cape, no shorts, no bright primary colors (I mean, that's kinda goofy and cartoonish right? And we want a badass superman!)
But I really kinda exaggerated before. This costume isn't a complete deal breaker for me, at least by itself (I really do hate it tho). But everything else about the movie is. With spiderman, on the other hand, the costume itself is so awful that I'm pretty sure the movie will be ruined by it. And everything else happens to suck too.

It's the height of irony to call the people who were disastisfied with snyder's WATCHMEN as shallow, when it's the very opposite, it's the shallows who found it so "complex". Because they are so not used to that.

The original comic is so magnificent, even a stupid hacks like snyder couldn't totally ruin it all,and some of the good stuff survived the stupidifying translation. But overall the stupidity won over, as it bound to happen.

No, i never read Earth Onbe, i'm affraid. Superman was never much of a favorite comic character to me. I did bought RED SON because the premise was so different and interesting (though it was based on an older one issue Superman story), that i just had to have it. And i love it. One of the cleverest superhero comics i ever read in my life.
This is why i think there's so much potential to Superman, which have been bogged down by the fans themselves because they just want to see the same thing repeated time and again. Despiste their complaisn that Zod and Lex Luthor returning so often in the Superman movies, the fact is they still wish for the same thing to be seen in the movie, again Superman fighting with the usual gallery of villains. Despistes their claims, they don't want all that much deviation. i would evne say, they dn't want ANY deviation, no matter how important or good it could do to a movie.
It's one thing to be true to the spirit of the comic and the character, it's another to want a movie to be a literal repetition of a one beloved comic issue. If we are not allowing the movies to be their own thing, what's the use then? Just go read the comic again.

It's bewildering that people are making such a big fuzz about it! I mean, who cares? Fucking trunks is what will make or break a movie for some people? Give me a break! As long the costume doesn't look too stupid and embaracing, what's the problem? Trunks, really? What is this place, anyway, a fashion magazine?
I never knew that there was a fashion police officer inside every comic book geek.

Been meaning to read it, I have read the excerpts. I guess I cannot comment on it until I have read the whole thing.
Asimov and dahveed, I would take a lower budget TV Watchmen that actually invested time into the characters over a one shot film any day.
It reminds me a little bit of the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy tv run vs the hollywood movie. was obviously low budget and didnt have hollywood stars or great special effects, but it was so much more textured and it had time to explore the world more. Plus, the movie was just fucking annoying and trying to be too hip.
Nice to have a civil discussion around here with you two!

Boy. The degree to which Hollywood can take the simplest time tested if it ain't broke don't fix it concepts, and hike five miles out of the way bent over backwards to f%*! up truly boggles the mind. There's a very simple visual concept here that one would think would be obvious to, ya know, VISUAL artists in a VISUAL medium. The trunks broke up and balanced the color palette of the costume. And absent that balance, it ends up looking like a grown man in a cape and a one-sie

can you elaborate on that please? because last time i checked,despite some changes,the movie was pretty close to the comic which is considered the greatest comic ever written.
So why exactly Snyder's Watchmen was not smart? give us some details mate,otherwise you will be criticized as being prejudiced against some directors.

I think Snyder followed the comic very closely but that was also part of the problem. Dialogue that sounded brilliant on the page came out forced when spoken aloud on screen. Action sequences that seemed plausible in the comic, looked artificial and faked when performed by the non-powered, middle aged characters that everyone other than Dr Manhattan was supposed to be. The desperation the characters felt just never came thru on screen. It wasn't a bad effort, it just didn't come up to what people hoped for.

Every single choice was the most cliched stereotypical choice that was possible. It was just horrible. And the volume was also far to high. What the fuck?
And Halleluja for the sex scene? Come on man. Thats fucking pathetic, and ridiculously cliched and on the nose.
And flight of the bumble bee for the Vietnam war scene? Jesus fucking christ, how can Snyder be this dumb?
Has bad as Snyder can be, I still think this Supes film will be cool.

Let's get some shit straight right now motherfuckers! Zack Synder is the director; Chris Nolan is the motherfucking EXECUTIVE PRODUCER! He is the man in charge! He is the one calling the shots, not Suckerpunch Synder.

He got most of it right, just there was so much more he could have done. There's so much more you learn about the Watchmen world from Moore's prose. To me it felt like the cliff notes version of Watchmen. You know, the basic plot points but not much else.

1. Nature. Superman is able to handle his immense power without becoming a god-emperor because his kryptonian brain is different. IOW his alienness is whats essential. Any human with that kind of power would eventually become evil (see luthor and many many supervillians)
2. Nurture. Superman is able to handle his immense power without becoming a god-emperor because he was raised by two exceedingly decent and good people - the Kents. If he had been raised by a government or by Lionel Luthor or by the Octomom, he would eventually become evil.
Most of the superman comicss/shows/dvds/novels of the last 30 years have leaned one way or the other.

I don't think I will ever be able to look at Superman like that and not subconsciously wonder why he isn't wearing any pants. Are the red trunks REALLY so silly given the rest of his outfit? I wish they had kept it classic. It's going to feel flawed to me because they did that.
Remember when they were going to remove the shorts for the Burton/Cage version and Cage took the designs home to show his son, who asked "Where are the pants?" I think there will be a lot of people, kids and adults wondering where this guy's pants are.
And... who will be standing next to the villainess in the final film? Looks like a mo-cap suit is on display in those shots.

Burton's Batman isn't an appropriate comparison. That entire costume was redesigned and looked like black armor. In this case we have the classic, iconic Superman costume with just ONE change, no trucks.
If they didn't want trunks, why not redesign the whole costume?

And the costume has gone through several iterations over the decades. In comics, animation, and movies. The color, size, shape of his insignia, for example.
Its a perfectly acceptable change, and doesnt make him any less recognizable. In fact, the redesign and the casting of Cavill suggests a subtle evolution of the character. Will it work? Who knows, but the lack of a red crotch wont be a significant factor. Move on folks.