What in the hell is this guy thinking? He is only 19 and he is getting engaged to a 42 yr old broad...and she is also pregnant. This Wont End Well.

Not to mention the chick isnt even hot. I could understand Halle Berry or Marisa Tomei but this chick?! damn.

After the success of Kick Ass (and it will be very successful), this dude is gonna have chicks throwing themselves at him left and right. But instead of going out and partying it up with models/groupies/slutty Hollywood socialites, he is gonna be changing diapers. He is gonna be kicking himself pretty soon.

Not to mention the chick isnt even hot. I could understand Halle Berry or Marisa Tomei but this chick?! damn.

She's a fiercely intelligent and interesting woman...I don't think her looks should even enter the equation.

BUT my gut says she's irresponsible in allowing herself to get knocked up by a teen. He's way too young to be tied down like this IMO...and she should have known better than to rush into Parenthood with an inexperienced boy with the world at his feet.

Nothing wrong with dating older women, but this just isn't good. She's old enough to remember Watergate and he can't even remember the O.J. verdict. Plus, as it's already been said, it's pretty irresponsible for someone who's 42 to get knocked up by a teen even if he is at a legal age. People who dubiously claim to be in love always have an excuse for everything until their romance invariably goes down the tubes. Most older women who want excitement with a younger man go the Mae West route, they don't marry the kid for crying out loud.

Patrick Dempsey did the same thing (except she was his manager and he didn't knock her up) but he's alluded that there were ALOT of extenuating circumstances behind their relationship, some of which he's still dealing with today.

I'm thinking mommy issues here.

At least with Ashton and Demi, she wasn't old enough to be his mother and he was WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL into his twenties before hooking up with her.

I'm still shaking my head about this. Not that it matters to me but I am just picturing myself in his situation and getting married at the age of 19 is the LAST thing on my mind. And having a fucking kid as a teen?!?!?! FUCK THAT!

This dude seems like a clueless sucker. And yeah at least with Kutcher, he was almost in his 30s(I think), when he started knockin boots with Demi Moore.

I am not againist the whole age-gap dating thing but this seems a bit weird to me.

If he never strays from her then good for him. He's a better guy than me lol. But I gotta say he is gonna be tempted left and right with all the young Hollywood trim around him.

For every one case of a woman with a younger man, I'll give you ten men with a much younger woman.

Buy ladders.

To be fair Reigh, I wouldn't bat an eyelid at the pairing if it weren't for the fact that she's pregnant...like OBVIOUSLY pregnant to boot.

They've barely been together 5 minutes and Johnson is barely an adult if we're looking at the technical definition. I mean shit, she only announced her separation/divorce from Jay Jopling in late 2008.

I highly doubt that this was a planned pregnancy and I can't help but find it all rather selfish on Sam's part...he's a teenager and he's now a Papa-to-be and there aint a fucking thing he can do about it.

When his kid turns 18 I sincerely hope he's there arranging candles and pouring his first legal bevvy alongside his 60 year old Wife. I somehow doubt it mind...but I would love to be proven wrong on this one.

To be fair Reigh, I wouldn't bat an eyelid at the pairing if it weren't for the fact that she's pregnant...like OBVIOUSLY pregnant to boot.

They've barely been together 5 minutes and Johnson is barely an adult if we're looking at the technical definition. I mean shit, she only announced her separation/divorce from Jay Jopling in late 2008.

I highly doubt that this was a planned pregnancy and I can't help but find it all rather selfish on Sam's part...he's a teenager and he's now a Papa-to-be and there aint a fucking thing he can do about it.

When his kid turns 18 I sincerely hope he's there arranging candles and pouring his first legal bevvy alongside his 60 year old Wife. I somehow doubt it mind...but I would love to be proven wrong on this one.

Where would this thread have gone if it had been entitled: Upcoming Star Gets Rid of Grandma Director?

Bunch of people would have decried them both for their naivety - depravity, judging from some of the posts - and pointed out that it was "never gonna last", and one or t'other was a pervert/cradle-snatcher.

Now, they may not last, but so far as I can see - she's getting most of the flak and the main weapon of choice is her age.

That's a double-standard any way you slice it.

Had this thread been called "Leo Impregnates 19 Year-Old Lingerie Model" or "Pitt Expects Child With Teen Swimsuit Calendar Girl", there'd be a bunch of high-fives or "Ah, man, I was totally wanting to bang that chick, lucky bastard" style responses.

Call me a dick or a romantic, but the sense of moral superiority in this thread - particularly as I've known they were a couple for 18 months and it bothered me not one iota - is kind of...depressing.

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This couple has not one hurdle to overcome but have managed to stack issue upon issue. I'm sorry, but a 19 year old guy by and large does not want to be saddled down with a child and wife, much less one on the cusp of a burgeoning Hollywood career.

I don't bat an eye that Hugh Jackman's wife is plenty year's older than him because he was an adult for quite sometime before he committed to that relationship.

I would be cool as ice cream if there wasn't a child involved and it was just a young man having a loving relationship with an older woman and maybe waiting a few years before getting having a family. But unfortunately his gf doesn't really have the luxury of waiting for him to mature, hence why some are casting a critical eye upon her.

But this is a kid having a kid. Whenever you add a potential child to any relationship, especially one that has issues, and there ARE issues here, people are going to be extra opinionated. I remember our dear Greb calling Tony Randall an asshole for having children so late in life because he knew he wouldn't live to see them graduate elementary school; and I don't think he thought too highly of the wifey either.

Its nice to cast romantic aspirations upon couples, but when you hear about them having a child, its time to look at the relationship in a more sober light.

This couple has not one hurdle to overcome but have managed to stack issue upon issue. I'm sorry, but a 19 year old guy by and large does not want to be saddled down with a child and wife, much less one on the cusp of a burgeoning Hollywood career.

I don't bat an eye that Hugh Jackman's wife is plenty year's older than him because he was an adult for quite sometime before he committed to that relationship.

I would be cool as ice cream if there wasn't a child involved and it was just a young man having a loving relationship with an older woman and maybe waiting a few years before getting having a family. But unfortunately his gf doesn't really have the luxury of waiting for him to mature, hence why some are casting a critical eye upon her.

But this is a kid having a kid. Whenever you add a potential child to any relationship, especially one that has issues, and there ARE issues here, people are going to be extra opinionated. I remember our dear Greb calling Tony Randall an asshole for having children so late in life because he knew he wouldn't live to see them graduate elementary school; and I don't think he thought too highly of the wifey either.

This is a lot - a lot -of presumption on your part. You are asking me to believe that men (particularly famous men) all behave to type, and ignore pluralism? Then you imply that the man involved will be crippled by his decision to settle down early in his life and career because this is what he cares about? Not family, not love, not anything spiritual - just career?

And then, should I be so pessimistic, I am to accept that this man was persuaded to become a parent early because his chosen partner's fertility rate was decreasing too rapidly and they had no choice but to impregnate now - for the sake of a body-clock, rather than that old-fashioned thing called love.

And once this was achieved, it's incomprehensible that they will remain together because there are not enough precedents - in Hollywood, at least (though both are British) - to satisfy the central conceit that a young man can love an older woman?

Tony Randall be damned. This is a couple who have committed to one another, are happy to delcare their love via their engagement, and now have precluded the sentiment that "it's just a dude boning a chick" by announcing the arrival of their child.

Where would this thread have gone if it had been entitled: Upcoming Star Gets Rid of Grandma Director?

Bunch of people would have decried them both for their naivety - depravity, judging from some of the posts - and pointed out that it was "never gonna last", and one or t'other was a pervert/cradle-snatcher.

Now, they may not last, but so far as I can see - she's getting most of the flak and the main weapon of choice is her age.

That's a double-standard any way you slice it.

Had this thread been called "Leo Impregnates 19 Year-Old Lingerie Model" or "Pitt Expects Child With Teen Swimsuit Calendar Girl", there'd be a bunch of high-fives or "Ah, man, I was totally wanting to bang that chick, lucky bastard" style responses.

Horse radish.

You have a point that is both fine and dandy (forgive me sounding like George Carlin here) but I doubt I would be *high fiving* any of my fellow schmoes if I read about any of your hypothetical storylines concerning Leo, Pitt and other random Hollywood buff tings.

Kids being impregnated by kids is an unfortunate enough scenario...this story to me is like a clever and enigmatic adult falling pregnant to a young, beautiful, unworldly bebe. On the surface it's a love story, but dig deeper and it's just somebody on the cusp of the menopause exchanging baby-making fluids with a boy who still only has to shave once fortnightly. Her daughter was born when he was 7...man or woman, that's fucking strange no matter how you slice it.

I remember being 17, 18, 19 and with hindsight, I recall how ridiculously naive and 'kid-like' I actually was. I talk to teens now and I totally understand their lingo and how their life works and yet they are almost alien to me. The way their emotions work is just another existence (one I lived of course)...it's not that I can't relate, it's just that I can't relive. It's impossible for me to do that whole reading my old diary and not knowing what the fuck I am yet type thing because it's like shadows of a former life.

I don't feel ageist or sexist when I reckon that she is the more irresponsible of the pairing...because that's the way I see it. I like Sam because she's clever and hugely cultured but I'm passing judgement on her current circumstances.

I'm just as likely to condemn the dirty old man as I am the irresponsible middle-aged woman. I say it as I see it *click snap*.

You have a point that is both fine and dandy (forgive me sounding like George Carlin here) but I doubt I would be *high fiving* any of my fellow schmoes if I read about any of your hypothetical storylines concerning Leo, Pitt and other random Hollywood buff tings.

Kids being impregnated by kids is an unfortunate enough scenario...this story to me is like a clever and enigmatic adult falling pregnant to a young, beautiful, unworldly bebe. On the surface it's a love story, but dig deeper and it's just somebody on the cusp of the menopause exchanging baby-making fluids with a boy who still only has to shave once fortnightly. Her daughter was born when he was 7...man or woman, that's fucking strange no matter how you slice it.

I remember being 17, 18, 19 and with hindsight, I recall how ridiculously naive and 'kid-like' I actually was. I talk to teens now and I totally understand their lingo and how their life works and yet they are almost alien to me. The way their emotions work is just another existence (one I lived of course)...it's not that I can't relate, it's just that I can't relive. It's impossible for me to do that whole reading my old diary and not knowing what the fuck I am yet type thing because it's like shadows of a former life.

I don't feel ageist or sexist when I reckon that she is the more irresponsible of the pairing...because that's the way I see it. I like Sam because she's clever and hugely cultured but I'm passing judgement on her current circumstances.

I'm just as likely to condemn the dirty old man as I am the irresponsible middle-aged woman. I say it as I see it *click snap*.

This is a lot - a lot -of presumption on your part. You are asking me to believe that men (particularly famous men) all behave to type, and ignore pluralism? Then you imply that the man involved will be crippled by his decision to settle down early in his life and career because this is what he cares about? Not family, not love, not anything spiritual - just career?

No, no, my intent was not to imply his career would be crippled, but his marriage may very well be. I know I don't have to regurgitate Hollywood marriage success rates here in the Celeb Gossip Forum.

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And then, should I be so pessimistic, I am to accept that this man was persuaded to become a parent early because his chosen partner's fertility rate was decreasing too rapidly and they had no choice but to impregnate now - for the sake of a body-clock, rather than that old-fashioned thing called love.

I'm not a subscriber to the school of "What a wonderful way to say you love me by having my baby." You have a baby because sperm met egg and cells divided to create a fetus. Love is optional in that instance. Highly desired, preferred and prized, but optional.

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And once this was achieved, it's incomprehensible that they will remain together because there are not enough precedents - in Hollywood, at least (though both are British) - to satisfy the central conceit that a young man can love an older woman?

I think the central conceit here is you're talking romance and plucky optimism and BadCoverVersion and I are discussing responsibility, something that according to statistics lasts much longer than romance after marriage.

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Tony Randall be damned. This is a couple who have committed to one another, are happy to delcare their love via their engagement, and now have precluded the sentiment that "it's just a dude boning a chick" by announcing the arrival of their child.

A former co-worker of mine is engaged to a man who before he popped the question, for almost two years was the subject of many disturbing questions posed by his now fiance to us, her friends pretty much since the beginning of their relationship right on up to a week before he popped the question.

But according to the logic in your sentence, since they're engaged, it is a signpost of their love and that any peripheral knowledge or issues should be ignored by those outside the couple and they should just let them be on their merry?

But unlike my friend, I don't really know these two, and hey neither do you so I think we're both at an impass.

I am not villifying them, I'm not affected by their lives and decisions, but I had a a thought/criticism and I shared it here on the Celeb/Gossip Forum, where once upon a time I think I shared with you that its central purpose was as a hen house, full of clucking.

I think the central conceit here is you're talking romance and plucky optimism and BadCoverVersion and I are discussing responsibility, something that according to statistics lasts much longer than romance after marriage.

BUT...BUT...BUT...YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE FOR...wait. IF IT WAS HE WHO WERE OLDER....no....

Realistically, I think you're both right on the mark. Relationships that can be fulfilling and pragmatic instantly stomp prolonged infatuations. How is this even debatable? Unless someone can personally speak from the experience of that 19-year-old or that 42-year-old, and provide a credible case that it's a serious relationship and not just an infatuation or merely a sexual thing, then it's perfectly reasonable to find the whole thing as questionable as we want.

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I am not villifying them, I'm not affected by their lives and decisions, but I had a a thought/criticism and I shared it here on the Celeb/Gossip Forum, where once upon a time I think I shared with you that its central purpose was as a hen house, full of clucking.

Absolutely. This is why I hate these kind of threads, because as soon as anyone has an opinion about a matter like this, everyone gets into the "what business is it of your's?" bit. It's not like we're imploring everyone to write their congressman (or member of parliament, in this case) to do something about some weird romance. But damn, some people really do have a problem with any criticism in this regard. Good thing my posts are generally ignored around here.

I wouldn't even have an opinion on this matter if it weren't for the simple fact that people born in the 60's are just so much different from those born in the 90's that a serious romantic involvement is nothing short of astounding. There is something about the 90's that disconnects them from the rest of us old geezers. I was born in the 80's and every time I talk to someone born in the 90's, no matter what year they were born, it's impossible to ignore very real generational differences.

But hey, Muhammad married an older woman, and I think we can all agree he was a relatively successful person.

She's a fiercely intelligent and interesting woman...I don't think her looks should even enter the equation.

BUT my gut says she's irresponsible in allowing herself to get knocked up by a teen. He's way too young to be tied down like this IMO...and she should have known better than to rush into Parenthood with an inexperienced boy with the world at his feet.

Yeah. I tend to agree. Maybe the condom broke and they didn't really plan on it. Plus, I wonder how mature he is to be able to satisfy a woman like that both intellectually and physically.