Kotaku has a follow-up to Stardock's recent lawsuit against Alexandra Miseta over what the company alleges was its former marketing manager's role in the shortcomings of Elemental: War of Magic. They have court documents showing that before being sued herself, Miseta had already brought her own lawsuit against Stardock CEO Brad Wardell for sexual harassment, retaliation, and wrongful termination, and that Stardock's lawsuit came three weeks after a judge denied their request to dismiss her case. In addition to details from the sexual harassment case, they offer accounts from an anonymous alleged former Stardock employee refuting the idea that Miseta was responsible for Elemental's failure. They say Wardell has not yet responded to their request for comment on this.

Pretty sure owning your own company means things are working out pretty well for you

Oh a company, what a special person, no one has one of those. Yeah, having to throw yourself at your female employees in creepy ways is life working out very well. What fine role models you aspire to

Vroom vroom.

Because America is known for its role models, right? Jersey Shore comes to mind...

Pretty sure you've heard of his company before this thread. Pretty sure you haven't heard of 99.9% of those companies than other people have. No need to start exaggerating and throwing a hissy fit now that you've be beaten. Time to tuck tail and scurry off.

That's just what we need in the workplace! More Jersey Shore types to show us how a REAL MAN goes about his "business". Tried the Chuck Norris route but he just ended up being a soft-spoken, conservative pussy. Have you seen the way he talks to his wife!? Doesn't even raise his hand once if she drones on longer than a sentence of two! Not my kind of hero.. no siree!

I personally will not be happy with sexual harassment "laws" in this country until they are completely abolished and I can walk into the office @ 7am and personally dick-slap every last one of my female co-workers, only to spark an all-day orgy. In MAN WORLD this is what we call BUSINESS TIME, baby. Don't you fucking forget it.

There was a long discussion on Neowin about this matter but the topic was locked - interesting when you consider that Stardock owns a 40% interest in the website. Brad himself (under the name Frogboy) posted in the topic and didn't do anything to paint himself in a better light.

If you can't win an argument then you put pressure on the site's owner to lock the topic. Classic censorship.

Krodge wrote on Sep 9, 2012, 00:55:So she refused to submit to someone sexually harassing her at work and humiliating her in front of her coworkers and that makes her a 'pussy'?

She stood up for herself, asked him to stop, he refused. And now she's going to make sure he's punished for it.Pussy my ass.

I suppose if Stanly Manly were in a similar situation, With a gay male boss, he would do the 'manly' thing and be more submissive towards him, Thank him for the privilege of being allowed to work under him, answer all his intrusive questions, Allow himself to be mocked and teased by an all male gay staff? But to take a stand?...no no no. Why that would make him a pussy!

I think Stanly lives the beta (or bottom, if you will) lifestyle in male-male relationships. He just hates uppity people, like women and minorities. Oh, and anyone who uses the legal system to seek recompense when wronged.

So she refused to submit to someone sexually harassing her at work and humiliating her in front of her coworkers and that makes her a 'pussy'?

She stood up for herself, asked him to stop, he refused. And now she's going to make sure he's punished for it.Pussy my ass.

I suppose if Stanly Manly were in a similar situation, With a gay male boss, he would do the 'manly' thing and be more submissive towards him, Thank him for the privilege of being allowed to work under him, answer all his intrusive questions, Allow himself to be mocked and teased by an all male gay staff? But to take a stand?...no no no. Why that would make him a pussy!

Draugr wrote on Sep 8, 2012, 01:26:Funny you had to put that in quotes, as that wasn't an argument. That was an example of how there were people ages ago who thought Child labor laws were for pussies, but now if somebody said up they'd get laughed off the stage, as we feel its worthwhile that our citizens (in this case children) are protected from exploitation.

Uh, that's what a straw man is... hehe. Anyway, its pretty clear that you come from a culture outside the US, and your pseudo-intellectual responses lead me to believe you are from India originally? You are just going around in circles without actually saying anything. I'm sure it sounds good to you while you are thinking of it, but at this point, it borders on bleeding-heart babble.

No, that's not a straw man. Now, If I started pretending that you were advocating against child labor laws, then yes that would be straw man territory.

It seems like you've ran out of things to say beyond your speculation of what stereotype you have in your head that you think your talking to. Which for the record, all of your suppositions about my background have all been wrong. Demographically speaking, I'm really boring. Why you're so concerned about my background is really odd too, as it's irrelevant to the conversation we're having. Why you think I'd need to be from India to advocate the employee protections that US citizens enjoy is beyond me. I find it amazing you feel the reason for thinking differently than you is because they must be a foreigner or a pothead/different from you. I think it might blow your mind to learn there are people who have an upbringing similar to yours and hold different views from you. (Not to say we share backgrounds, Id have no way of knowing that, nor do I think your background is relevant to the conversation.)

We've both been running around in circles on this topic for two days now, how is what we've done here changed at all since then? I'll summarize since sentences look like babble to you. I feel my points (while we have been goiing in circles) hasn't really been babble, I've been advocating for the current law as I think the protections it provides to employee's benefits most everyone and is seen as acceptable in the US. you've been saying the law is dumb because you think people who want legal protection from being harassed at work are all pussies. You've said that to prove this ask an illegal immigrant what they think of employee protections in the US (of which they wouldnt be entitled), Is what your trying to say america should be more like these countries? I don't get how you don't think that hasn't been saying anything. Maybe you need better reading comprehension skills.

To add, it's interesting you feel the reason for thinking differently than you is because they must be a foreigner or on drugs, etc. I think it mightsurprise you to learn there are people who have an upbringing and background similar to yours and hold different views from you. (Not to say we share backgrounds, Id have no way of knowing that, nor do I think your background is relevant to the conversation. I feel like my point can stand on its own without resorting to attacking the person, imagined or real, directly. )

Stanly Manly wrote on Sep 8, 2012, 13:43:Because America is known for its role models, right? Jersey Shore comes to mind...

Pretty sure you've heard of his company before this thread. Pretty sure you haven't heard of 99.9% of those companies than other people have. No need to start exaggerating and throwing a hissy fit now that you've be beaten. Time to tuck tail and scurry off.

We've certainly heard of it now that hes associated it with creeping on female employees because he can't get any without a position of power. Not very manly now, is it? This is the douche you're defending little fella, not sure you really thought this one through. Stanly Manly, champion of the desperate and creepy weirdos, bravo!

Draugr wrote on Sep 8, 2012, 01:26:Funny you had to put that in quotes, as that wasn't an argument. That was an example of how there were people ages ago who thought Child labor laws were for pussies, but now if somebody said up they'd get laughed off the stage, as we feel its worthwhile that our citizens (in this case children) are protected from exploitation.

Uh, that's what a straw man is... hehe. Anyway, its pretty clear that you come from a culture outside the US, and your pseudo-intellectual responses lead me to believe you are from India originally? You are just going around in circles without actually saying anything. I'm sure it sounds good to you while you are thinking of it, but at this point, it borders on bleeding-heart babble.

Pretty sure owning your own company means things are working out pretty well for you

Oh a company, what a special person, no one has one of those. Yeah, having to throw yourself at your female employees in creepy ways is life working out very well. What fine role models you aspire to

Vroom vroom.

Because America is known for its role models, right? Jersey Shore comes to mind...

Pretty sure you've heard of his company before this thread. Pretty sure you haven't heard of 99.9% of those companies than other people have. No need to start exaggerating and throwing a hissy fit now that you've be beaten. Time to tuck tail and scurry off.

And may I say without getting involved, reading the (oldest) first page of Stanly Manly posting history was intresting being it starting 2003 and his opinions on thing which, some have been proven right and other wrong, where well formed and informative for the most part.

Funny you had to put that in quotes, as that wasn't an argument. That was an example of how there were people ages ago who thought Child labor laws were for pussies, but now if somebody said up they'd get laughed off the stage, as we feel its worthwhile that our citizens (in this case children) are protected from exploitation.

I doubt you would be in Brad's position either. Glad we both realize you don't have what it takes to own a company.

Not everyone wants to own their own business, If your assertion is you need to be willing to shit on people and narcissism is a requirement, I don't mind sitting out.

They aren't co-workers, they are his employees. He is the boss.

Good thing that distinction is irrelevant in cases like this. Let me rephrase my statement and say Management and co-workers.

If work was to have fun and be yourself they wouldn't have to pay people much.

Tell that to a rock star...

Sure, lets use the fantasy scenario a handful (relatively speaking) of people live and pretend that it applies to everyone!

Nothing to do with narcissism and everything to do with perspective. Go ask some illegal immigrant (if you speak Spanish) what he would do if his boss flirted with him. Pretty sure the answer wouldn't be to cry about it.

Sure, a theoretical anecdote proves all your points! We should use the person with no legal protections and can be threatened with being reported on if they complain as an example, they'll undoubtedly be aware of protections that exist and that they aren't entitled to. But we don't need to ask, this question was asked years ago, and then we decided legislation should be passed to protect employees, and they generally aren't unpopular policies. I get that you think this makes people weak, but there is nothing to suggest that people being treated humanely at work makes them such.

Dades wrote on Sep 8, 2012, 00:10:It's funny, whenever someone starts off with Fact of The Matter, they are always full of shit and pushing some dumb agenda. The over compensation evident in your posts reeks of a basement dwelling dweeb whose concepts of social interactions and culture are derived from monster truck rallies and Hollywood movies. Enjoy your TITS OR GTFO attitude, I'm sure it will get you far in life, particularly with women who aren't paid to share your company. Look how well it's working out for Brad, two peas in a pod!

Pretty sure its not bullshit or agenda. Pretty sure you are just throwing a tempter tantrum and lashing out. Pretty sure owning your own company means things are working out pretty well for you. Also pretty sure you aren't nearly as smart as you'd like to think you are

and I doubt I would be in Brad's position because I understand what it means to act professional at work.

I doubt you would be in Brad's position either. Glad we both realize you don't have what it takes to own a company.

If you can behave in front of a client then you can behave in front of coworkers.

They aren't co-workers, they are his employees. He is the boss.

If work was to have fun and be yourself they wouldn't have to pay people much.

Tell that to a rock star...

I would argue your privilege doesn't really allow you to know what abuse is, as everything can only be seen through your lense - Your narcissistic attitude causes you to only look at how you would react in a situation, and then you write off everyone who might react differently that you (willing to stand up for themselves.) as weak.

Nothing to do with narcissism and everything to do with perspective. Go ask some illegal immigrant (if you speak Spanish) what he would do if his boss flirted with him. Pretty sure the answer wouldn't be to cry about it.

I think you perfectly understand Brad just fine as you are of like minds in this, and all you're doing here is helping to prove the point against him. The laws are in place to protect from the likes of you, you might think that makes america a bunch of pussies but I'd say they are better off for it.

Yeah, big mean scary guys like me who tell dick jokes and look at boobs... gosh, we sure need laws to protect against such atrocities...

Fact of the matter is this. Whatever you think of this Brad guy, he owns his own company, and he pays his employees and puts food on their families tables. I can assure you that if you were in his position, and you have some sandy vagina crybaby, whose paychecks you sign, tell you how to act, you'd be a bit irate as well.

It's funny, whenever someone starts off with Fact of The Matter, they are always full of shit and pushing some dumb agenda. The over compensation evident in your posts reeks of a basement dwelling dweeb whose concepts of social interactions and culture are derived from monster truck rallies and Hollywood movies. Enjoy your TITS OR GTFO attitude, I'm sure it will get you far in life, particularly with women who aren't paid to share your company. Look how well it's working out for Brad, two peas in a pod!

Draugr wrote on Sep 7, 2012, 14:34:Ad hominem attcks, the last refuge of someone whose argument has no legs. Needless to say I think most of us here at bluesnews are probably slightly older than 30 and I think most are family people...That certainly doesn't describe everyone, of course.

When child labor laws were passed, I'm sure there were plenty of people ready to decry it as 'the pussification of 'merica' Just like with then, I don't think employee protections is making anyone a pussy.

You may consider them pussies, but I think the person who takes the abuse up the tailpipe (as you've suggested multiple times you're willing to do.) is a bigger pussy than the person who doesn't sit there and tolerate abuse day in and day out. Cowing to their abuse and harassment may be something your okay with, but most of us expect more from a civilized society.

Maybe you and Brad can go start some Randian Fantasy Land after he theoretically shutters his company for getting sued and you guys can crap all over employee rights.

Ah, the false position of authority, the last gasp of those affected by tunnelvision. And a straw man argument on top of that? Hah. Cripes man, you are scraping.

The point is, men don't allow themselves to be victims. What you call "abuse", a man simply dismisses and doesn't cry about it. If my gay boss hits on me, I just think "that dude has good taste", and go about my day. You have drank way too much of the PC koolaid.

Civilized society... really? And you say you are over 30? I would have guessed you were some freshman in college who just got out of his sociology 101 class with those "knowledge bombs" you keep a dropping.

Fact of the matter is this. Whatever you think of this Brad guy, he owns his own company, and he pays his employees and puts food on their families tables. I can assure you that if you were in his position, and you have some sandy vagina crybaby, whose paychecks you sign, tell you how to act, you'd be a bit irate as well.

Abuse... don't make me fucking laugh dude. You have no clue what abuse is.

I don't see a straw man, and I doubt I would be in Brad's position because I understand what it means to act professional at work. If you can behave in front of a client then you can behave in front of coworkers. If work was to have fun and be yourself they wouldn't have to pay people much. I would argue your privilege doesn't really allow you to know what abuse is, as everything can only be seen through your lense - Your narcissistic attitude causes you to only look at how you would react in a situation, and then you write off everyone who might react differently that you (willing to stand up for themselves.) as weak.

I think you perfectly understand Brad just fine as you are of like minds in this, and all you're doing here is helping to prove the point against him. The laws are in place to protect from the likes of you, you might think that makes america a bunch of pussies but I'd say they are better off for it.

Draugr wrote on Sep 7, 2012, 14:34:Ad hominem attcks, the last refuge of someone whose argument has no legs. Needless to say I think most of us here at bluesnews are probably slightly older than 30 and I think most are family people...That certainly doesn't describe everyone, of course.

When child labor laws were passed, I'm sure there were plenty of people ready to decry it as 'the pussification of 'merica' Just like with then, I don't think employee protections is making anyone a pussy.

You may consider them pussies, but I think the person who takes the abuse up the tailpipe (as you've suggested multiple times you're willing to do.) is a bigger pussy than the person who doesn't sit there and tolerate abuse day in and day out. Cowing to their abuse and harassment may be something your okay with, but most of us expect more from a civilized society.

Maybe you and Brad can go start some Randian Fantasy Land after he theoretically shutters his company for getting sued and you guys can crap all over employee rights.

Ah, the false position of authority, the last gasp of those affected by tunnelvision. And a straw man argument on top of that? Hah. Cripes man, you are scraping.

The point is, men don't allow themselves to be victims. What you call "abuse", a man simply dismisses and doesn't cry about it. If my gay boss hits on me, I just think "that dude has good taste", and go about my day. You have drank way too much of the PC koolaid.

Civilized society... really? And you say you are over 30? I would have guessed you were some freshman in college who just got out of his sociology 101 class with those "knowledge bombs" you keep a dropping.

Fact of the matter is this. Whatever you think of this Brad guy, he owns his own company, and he pays his employees and puts food on their families tables. I can assure you that if you were in his position, and you have some sandy vagina crybaby, whose paychecks you sign, tell you how to act, you'd be a bit irate as well.

Abuse... don't make me fucking laugh dude. You have no clue what abuse is.

jdreyer wrote on Sep 7, 2012, 14:59:There is a "man world" out there. A land where a man can take the take any action he needs to solve his own problems. A land where a man can pull himself up by his own boot straps and "build it himself." A land unfettered by silly laws and regulations: Somalia.

I'll buy you a one way ticket there if you promise to never return to the socialist nanny-states known collectively as "Western civilization"