(NaturalNews) This interview is an excerpt from Kevin Gianni's Renegade Water Secrets, which can be found at (http://www.renegadewatersecrets.com) . In this excerpt, Iain Trousdell weighs in on putting water into perspective and introduces flow form.

Renegade Water Secrets with Iain Trousdell, founder of New Zealand's Living Water Institute.

Kevin: So let's get right into it. What is water? What is your take on water and tell us a little bit of how you got into the study of what you do.

Iain: Okay, it's a huge question. I think when you say what is something it really implies "how does one see the world?" So there are a variety of ways that people on our planet think about the world and if we take one extreme, which is sort of materialistic thinking, basically, we'd regard water as a wet mineral that lubricates a physiological mechanism and that's basically it and that mineral has to have certain qualities or else it interferes with the mechanism as it's seen. The other extreme, if you go into New Guinea and talk to some of the folks there and you say to them, "What is water?" you get the answer which one of my colleagues has had directly. "It's God" and that's their answer. There's no discussion needed. It's that obvious to them. So there's a huge range of thought conceptualizations between those two and we certainly tend, in the Healing Water Institute and in our nature intelligence business, we tend to the divinity side of it. So maybe the best way to answer "What is water?" really is we'll do that in the next 40 or 50 minutes as we discuss and I'll try and tease that part all the time.

As for myself, well, I've always been interested in water as a human being. That's been my centralquest in my life and I've followed it in a number of different directions and part of it, 1975, I went to a place, Emerson College, in England, which is the root of Steiner Tertiary Education College and there I met John Wilkes, who had very recently discovered the Flow Form principle which is the creation of shapes that bring water into a streaming figure eight flow which has a regular heart pulse, so it lifts water into a condition which is similar to liquids moving within living organisms.

So I was absolutely fascinated by that and just studied with him for nearly 3 years and carried on working with it and things just kept on generating for me.

Kevin: Wow and that was years ago.

Iain: Yeah. 30 plus years. So far it's been an interesting journey.

Kevin: So you mentioned the heart pulse of water and you mentioned Flow Forms. Why don't we set a ground work so we can kind of identify what those are for everyone?

Iain: So flow form again, we need to look at what is water, really, from this point of view. Water is obviously everywhere outside. You can look at, even when it is humid in a desert, very light. So in terms of freshwater, we know about point 1 percent of all our planet's water supplies is fresh water you can see, so this fresh water makes its way into plants and into animals and human beings and when it enters into those entities in both living organisms, suddenly the water becomes alive, so has that extraordinary capacity that as soon as it goes inside a watery being, it adds to the liveliness of that being and whenever water is in a situation where there are not a lot of different impulses occurring to it, it develops a rhythm in its movement.

It doesn't need a heart to do that. So the materialistic type of thinking, goes "Oh, yes, we have a pulse in our body and animals have pulses in their bodies, because they have hearts, whereas this is just an illusion because in embryology, it's actually the pulse occurring in the little embryo that actually creates the heart –- the figure eight movement in the embryo that starts moving and the heart forms around it.

So that's one side of the Flow Form. The other side of the Flow Form is that it brings into it all of nature's wisdom and capacities to improve the quality of water that you'd find in a mountain stream and so we call them fat city gold smokes from the new ecologists back in the seventies dubbed Flow Form super streams and because one meter in full direction of the Flow Form is at least ten meters movement in the stream because it goes through this side-to-side figure of eight flowing stream repeatedly. So if you had five meters of Flow Forms, you'd have about the same as a fifty meter stream, but with a heart pulse and modern science is now so to speak, beginning to catch up on this side of it that this heart pulse and this capacity of the water to move in its own regeneration of water quality is a very powerful mix.

Kevin: Interesting.

Iain: And our technology is beginning to be recognized for this. The applications, Kevin, are very wide. I've counted up at least 50 niche markets, so we have many areas. We can. For instance, we're working on a product to enlighten tap water.

Kevin: Okay.

Iain: We can work to transform it into liquid fertilizer. It can be used in any aspect of food processing. For instance, we've got projects in quite large commercial bakeries where the bread rises faster, it tastes better and lasts longer, because usually what happens in food production is the water is usually gathered from another city's tap supply and then it's put through... if they're concerned about the quality of the water, it's put through a filtration system, but the matter is that the water is still, so to speak, not very good at supporting life.

If it's a big city, it might have gone through five or seven pairs of kidneys since it's been out in the big natural water cycle, goes round and round in a pressured situation, then you want to use it for your bread or your food or whatever either at home or in a factory and you filter it. It's still basically as dead as a dodo because of all of this treatment that it's gotten. It has a memory for all of the structure or molecular level and is very suppressed. So we're basically saying, "Hey, would you like it run through a mountain stream in the kitchen, and as a bonus have a heart pulse in it?" And we've had so many requests for this product. We've also gotten our healing ordinance to consider research now building up without highly qualified stuff that Flow Form water has a remarkable effect on increasing that drinker's growth processes.

Kevin: Okay.

Iain: It's also therapeutic. We have extraordinary stories of the use of Flow Forms in Alzheimer hospitals or kindergartens, drug rehabilitation centers, this rhythm, this beautiful rhythm and the movement is very relaxing at a very fundamental level. When I was in Asia recently giving talks in Taiwan, there was a Tai Chi Master who saw Flow Forms for the first time and he looked at them for five minutes and then looked at me, smiled and said, "This is the closest we will ever see."

Kevin: Wow.

Iain: So there is... they're quite extraordinary. There's something very essential from the heart of nature that John Wilkes has brought into this discovery. We don't call it an invention. It's really a discovery...

Kevin: So first, I want to talk about again just the whole idea of the heart pulsing. What is going on through the Flow Form? What is happening to the water? What are some of the characteristics that the water is taking on? And then the other thing is, explain what a Flow Form looks like.

Iain: Yeah, okay, well, we can go back to "what is water" really. Water has been around from the very beginning of time. There was a meteorite found five or six years ago in some area in the United States and taken to NASA and they dated it 4.5 billion years and opened it up and there's water inside. We've got water throughout, basically, the universe being found in various forms and recent research in the last 10-15 years in top class universities with people who are highly qualified, showing that water has a memory, that it can retain a vast amount of information, very flexibly within what they call cluster structures of the molecular level. All material gives off a frequency like silicon does, and we use that in our computer systems; most materials, they give off a frequency and they're completely inflexible about it. This is who I am; they go "beep, beep, beep." Whatever it has picked up in the airwaves and that's it. Whereas water is constantly changing its frequencies and it remembers them. This, again, is university research in Europe and America.

If you've got cyanide, for instance, in the tailgating of gold mines and that goes into the water, the water takes up the frequency of cyanide along with everything else like the cadmium and all sorts of other things in there. It takes up that frequency and emits it amongst a symphonic collection of other frequencies it's picking up. You can clean that water; no cyanide at all, but the frequency will stay there if it's not treated in a specific way. Water has a memory, it collects information, and it passes it on and this passing on of natural and unnatural, so to speak, man-made information is what influences the living growth processes in everything that drinks water because water inside living organisms also has a memory.

That's why in physiology, we are beginning to realize how one part of a body two meters away from another part of the body is instantly aware of what's going on, because of this transmission of what is termed electromagnetic frequency. So water has a capacity for a phenomenal, vast and highly sensitive intelligence. And then, secondly, water also uses this information, it's picking up cosmic radiation as well as local environmental radiation frequencies.

Then within an embryological process, water actually through its phenomenal rhythmic movement, creates every living form on the planet. Our group has done extensive research into this through the creation of flow patents and the study of formative processes and it's absolutely clear that through the embryological development in mammals, but also in plants around the air of growing plants, there are amazingly sensitive processes going on here which create the shapes of everything that lives and unfortunately, when water is polluted or has certain frequency disturbances, these shapes are affected and are not as healthy or even can't form. And then thirdly, water carries a sort of metabolic process. It dissolves something like 84 of the 103 elements known to science without any agitation, and it carries all the nutrients required into living beings combined with this phenomenal sensitivity and information package.

There's a lot more I could say about that, but what Flow Forms do is they incorporate all this, they're phenomenally good mixers and funnily enough, it took us 10 or 15 years of designing before we realized that the Flow Forms we were making that were very good mixers, had kidney shapes. They look like kidneys –- open kidneys and the ones that concentrated on the rhythmical out pulse, made that stronger and very clear, they took on heart shapes and the ones that were best at oxygenating were lung shapes, bigger and wider.

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