For people whose income ranked between the top 1 percent and top 0.5 percent, the effective tax rate for individual, corporate, payroll and estate was 34.0 percent in 1960, 36.1 percent in 1970, 37.6 percent in 1980, 31.5 percent in 1990, 35.7 percent in 2000 and 31.3 percent in 2004.

For those earning between the top 0.1 percent and 0.5 percent of the income curve, the numbers were 41.4 percent in 1960, 44.6 percent in 1970, 43.0 percent in 1980, 33.0 percent in 1990, 38.4 percent in 2000 and 33.0 percent in 2004.

For those earning between 0.01 percent and 0.1 percent, the rates were 55.3 percent in 1960, 59.1 percent in 1970, 51.0 percent in 1980, 34.3 percent in 1990, 40.2 percent in 2000 and 34.1 percent in 2004.

Finally, for those in the top 0.01 percent of the income distribution, the effective tax rate was 71.4 percent in 1960, 74.6 percent in 1970, 59.3 percent in 1980, 35.4 percent in 1990, 40.8 percent in 2000 and 34.7 percent in 2004."

<quoted text>For the wealthiest Americans, their effective tax rates are at historic lows:"An "effective" tax rate is what a typical taxpayer actually pays after deductions, exemptions and the like. Itís always lower than the statutory tax rate, sometimes significantly lower.""...A 2007 study by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez calculated effective tax rates for various income groups.For people whose income ranked between the top 1 percent and top 0.5 percent, the effective tax rate for individual, corporate, payroll and estate was 34.0 percent in 1960, 36.1 percent in 1970, 37.6 percent in 1980, 31.5 percent in 1990, 35.7 percent in 2000 and 31.3 percent in 2004.For those earning between the top 0.1 percent and 0.5 percent of the income curve, the numbers were 41.4 percent in 1960, 44.6 percent in 1970, 43.0 percent in 1980, 33.0 percent in 1990, 38.4 percent in 2000 and 33.0 percent in 2004.For those earning between 0.01 percent and 0.1 percent, the rates were 55.3 percent in 1960, 59.1 percent in 1970, 51.0 percent in 1980, 34.3 percent in 1990, 40.2 percent in 2000 and 34.1 percent in 2004.Finally, for those in the top 0.01 percent of the income distribution, the effective tax rate was 71.4 percent in 1960, 74.6 percent in 1970, 59.3 percent in 1980, 35.4 percent in 1990, 40.8 percent in 2000 and 34.7 percent in 2004."http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

For the wealthiest Americans that is True which is what Warren Buffet was stating.

Ahhhh a link from the Koch Brother's Tea Baggers Heritage Foundation. Although I'm sure you thought you were going to show me. Unfortunately, you posted a link to a rightwing Tea Bagger propaganda website. Mine is from a political fact check website. Thanks for playing. Enjoy your Rice-o-roni consolation prize and have a safe trip home.

Scaled down farm bill demands every member of every farm family gets an off-farm union job. To pay for the more stock dividends (money) farmers need to pay for the more stock dividends. OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Farmers need to produce food and fiber.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That defies USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every farmer, Business Owner and their Stockholders, corporation, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables the elderly, and every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Fund USA with same percentage of income derived from wages, pension, investment and independent business profit; and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, pension, investment profit, and independent business profit.

To fund Illegal drug users and Illegal Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays for the more stock dividends Money Marketers market quarterly in the wholesale and retail price of food and fiber. That gets only food and fiber; with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay income tax, social security tax, and road tax Amish farmers evade paying 10% of their income derived from wages, Ponzi credit certificates, and independent business profit to nonprofit, tax exempt, Amish Church.

Pay property tax on state appraised value of their farm. Pay bank interest on purchase price of their farm for 30 years.

Americaís grandchildrenís children cannot pay Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders interest with Ohioís $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. And pay this debt with the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years.

<quoted text>Read my TYPE...When the minimum & maximum income levels are adjusted for inflation/spending power, Taxes are NOT the lowest in 50 yrs! NO way Jose'.Also factor in the interest owed on EVERY dollar of new debt that has NO pay off date in sight & the picture is only worse when one pays interest on accrued interest.Also Add the debt ratio to the GDP & the real effect of the numbers get even worse.Lastly, when you Obama minions run out of factual logical argument, run to the race card. Even if you do not know the race of the person that you are talking to.Talk about race, the VAST MAJORITY of blacks voted blindly for Obama, that's FACT! The race card swings more than one way.

Keep squirming old clown. You been shut down by the facts. Also, I think you meant to say the vast majority AMERICANS voted for Obama, which is why he your Commander in Chief right this very minute. Deal with it, you KKK hood stuck to the wheel of a hoveround.

<quoted text>No, it means your messiah is a born hypocrite on top of being a pathological liar.

Messiah? Sorry, us thinking folks don't mix politics and religion. Just like the founder's of this great nation intended. Now about "God's President" GW Bush. Remember how "God" told him to run for office? How about how "God" told him to invade Iraq on a "Crusade"? Oh how the bleary eyed flock cheered as they sent our troops off to needlessly die for Jesus, oil and Halliburton....ooops....I meant WMD's (wink).

<quoted text>Reagan was a Pseudo Liberal too besides how many conservatives would add 7 trillion dollars to the Federal Deficit for the Entitltement society like G.W. Bush and the Republicans did in Congress in 2003.

<quoted text>Read my TYPE...When the minimum & maximum income levels are adjusted for inflation/spending power, Taxes are NOT the lowest in 50 yrs! NO way Jose'.Also factor in the interest owed on EVERY dollar of new debt that has NO pay off date in sight & the picture is only worse when one pays interest on accrued interest.Also Add the debt ratio to the GDP & the real effect of the numbers get even worse.Lastly, when you Obama minions run out of factual logical argument, run to the race card. Even if you do not know the race of the person that you are talking to.Talk about race, the VAST MAJORITY of blacks voted blindly for Obama, that's FACT! The race card swings more than one way.

<quoted text>No, the founders didn't have a problem with religion and government. They only had a problem with a government adopting a certain religion on behalf of the country.

When you say "they didn't have a problem with religion and government", I'm not really sure what you mean by that. Article VI of the Constitution says "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." That sounds like a pretty strong assertion for a secular government.

<quoted text>No, the founders didn't have a problem with religion and government. They only had a problem with a government adopting a certain religion on behalf of the country. "Congress" are those wonderful millionaires who make laws. Congress is not your local school, not your courthouse, and not your city hall.I digress. Do you think you can tell us all how Syria got WMD's, and nobody knew a thing about it????

I have said for years on many sites that we KNEW that Saddam had WMD's. Even U.N. committees said that He used them in Iran & against the Kurds. The problem, as I have asked before many times is; Where did they Go? We can guess about that.

<quoted text>For the wealthiest Americans, their effective tax rates are at historic lows:"An "effective" tax rate is what a typical taxpayer actually pays after deductions, exemptions and the like. Itís always lower than the statutory tax rate, sometimes significantly lower.""...A 2007 study by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez calculated effective tax rates for various income groups.For people whose income ranked between the top 1 percent and top 0.5 percent, the effective tax rate for individual, corporate, payroll and estate was 34.0 percent in 1960, 36.1 percent in 1970, 37.6 percent in 1980, 31.5 percent in 1990, 35.7 percent in 2000 and 31.3 percent in 2004.For those earning between the top 0.1 percent and 0.5 percent of the income curve, the numbers were 41.4 percent in 1960, 44.6 percent in 1970, 43.0 percent in 1980, 33.0 percent in 1990, 38.4 percent in 2000 and 33.0 percent in 2004.For those earning between 0.01 percent and 0.1 percent, the rates were 55.3 percent in 1960, 59.1 percent in 1970, 51.0 percent in 1980, 34.3 percent in 1990, 40.2 percent in 2000 and 34.1 percent in 2004.Finally, for those in the top 0.01 percent of the income distribution, the effective tax rate was 71.4 percent in 1960, 74.6 percent in 1970, 59.3 percent in 1980, 35.4 percent in 1990, 40.8 percent in 2000 and 34.7 percent in 2004."http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Understood & agreed to. That is why serious rewriting of tax laws is needed. The list of fair tax deductions would be very short. Such as Medical expenses, minimal business expenses such as would be related to start up or growth/expansion, education expenses, charitable/nonprofit donations & such things. BUT, since in general,'our' representatives can be & have been bought, the chance of changes would be slim. I once worked for a family owned HVAC company. The 'family' bought about 60 acres outside of town & built homes for many of them. Then deducted the heating & air cost of each of them under the pretext of company 'research' for the business that they are in. That could be true in some cases but in this case, the loose parameters of the law allowed them to save 10's & 10's of thousands of dollars EACH for their homes that they could afford. IF someone has a boat or airplane that is used once or twice a year for true business but they seem to write the whole thing off....WRONG! The examples go on & on. There are countless like examples that if seriously addressed, would balance the tax load. I wish it was so. Good luck!

<quoted text>Our tax laws are three times thicker than the Holy Bible, and it gets thicker every year.

How much would the federal government save getting rid of the IRS and associated people? How much would Americans save on tax preparation? How much would businesses save on accounting and tax preparation? How about tax lawyers, judges, and workers associated with the tax court systems?

This reasonable suggestion would have to be phased in since the number of the newly unemployed that you mention would be north of six figures. It would be worth it tho.

<quoted text>Our tax laws are three times thicker than the Holy Bible, and it gets thicker every year.Do away with all federal taxes and just have a progressive consumption tax. That way the 47% of Americans who pay absolutely nothing in federal taxes will have their money in the pot too. When government needs more money, everybody's tax gets increased and we all pay. Then you will see how fast Democrats lose support for the wasteful social spending that goes on every single year.How much would the federal government save getting rid of the IRS and associated people? How much would Americans save on tax preparation? How much would businesses save on accounting and tax preparation? How about tax lawyers, judges, and workers associated with the tax court systems?

Why not tax the churches? Go ahead and explain why churches shouldn't have to pay taxes. Then explain why huge corporations get away without paying a cent in taxes. Big boss man has trained you guys so well.

I'm so glad you brought that up. I encourage everyone to Google Heritage Foundation lies. You can sort through the over 3 million responses to that search and decide which lie told by the Heritage Foundation best suits your racist, corporate fetch boy views. The "you can't prove it" technique used by the GOP for decades has been shut down by the digital age of easily accessible information.

<quoted text>For the same reason Democrats support unions, environmentalists and abortions: to buy votes and financial support.Don't act like Republicans are the only people doing it.

What does Conservatism have to do with abortion...or gay marriage? Nothing. It is a purely rightwing Christian agenda. How long has that agenda had a monopoly on this free country? How many times does religious beliefs lead the charge when a Republican or Tea Bagger is running for office?

Reagan...Bush...GW...Perry...B achmann...Palin...Romney...

At least the Dems don't whore out Jesus to get votes and only an idiot would think Obama got elected because he gave out free phones. It's no wonder your camp is viewed as a bunch of inbred, out of touch, Bible thumping racists.

But that still doesn't answer my question...Why shouldn't churches have to pay taxes? Good luck.

<quoted text>For the same reason Democrats support unions, environmentalists and abortions: to buy votes and financial support.Don't act like Republicans are the only people doing it.

Wonder how much money the environmentalists collectively make in a year compared to how much Exxon makes in a day?

The only people who really care about abortion want to force a Christian America on all it's people. Nobody really cares or thinks about abortion except the all white, 1950's Mayberry for Jesus crew and voting Americans said to hell with that.

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