Yeah, I'll be home like around 9 (EST....I think that's for both of us). We don't have to mention this to the others, but I'm sure someone will bring it up. And I'd love to discuss other things (but can we discuss this too lmao)

Yeah, well it took Nathan years for him to realize Jennette hated him so.....

I don't know why Jennette bothers. Like, she doesn't have to say anything at all. She hates Nathan, that's fine! Nathan's coocoo, but she can hate him for her own ridiculous reasons. But she goes out of her way to make fun of them to their faces (figuratively).

"Gonna go search for car seats and diaper cream!" Ya know, I'd take that as them just being excited if I didn't know that they really think that a baby is just about buying car seats and diaper cream and that the idea of actually raising a human being is completely over their heads.

It's gonna be the wedding video all over again with them flaunting all the shopping & baby shower stuff.

As I'm pretty sure he's talking about being a father as a duty and turning it into a calling, being a father should never be a "duty." You become a father because you want a family with the person you love, and you want more people to love and to watch grow and become better people.

You don't become a father as a duty to have children to make Christians and have them spread the word of Jesus to the world, which is what Nondon and their families have been taught are the main reasons to have children.

This poor child. If Nonon is happy and fine once it's born, then it'll grow up the same exact way as them, with all these hyper-religious ideas. If Nondon realizes that having a baby isn't the fairytale they thought it would be once it's born, then it may live with it's grandparents raising it and it's parents resenting it because it didn't make their marriage and life "perfect" like they expected it to.

Yeah, I saw that. I think it's in more of a mocking thing rather than she thinks it's funny. And she'a also following him again on twitter, so, maybe she wants to stalk about the baby like everyone else lmao.

I mean, I never expected London to be mean and nasty like I'd expect Madisen to be, but just because she was nice to him doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind about Nondon starting as a sham and Nondon and their families being coocoo for cocoa puffs and that Nondon has no where near the capabilities to raise a child.

I agree with you. I wouldn't have expected her to be nasty either. But she does still come across incredibly naive and immature. Even if London is objectively a nice person, it doesn't change the fact that the circumstances surrounding the wedding (and now the baby) were kooky, messed up and highly questionable. I still don't believe Nathan truly loves London as anything more than a friend; it's hard to tell that they're even married sometimes...

Exactly. It seems people will be turned because he said she was nice. And I mean that's fine, but I mean I don't make my opnions based on what other people say, I base it on what I see.

I mean, London's never seemed nasty to me (as we've said); I've always seen her as wanting everyone to love her, so she'd be in everyone's faces being overly nice, that it may come off fake depending on the person. And even if she's nice, that doesn't make Nondon's marriage real and strong and it doesn't make them seem any more ready for a baby.

People just fall very easily as soon as something changes without even thinking about it

Lmao yeah. Even if London was my friggin' friend, I probably wouldn't change my mind. The signs are all clear and blatant; Nondon is a sham marriage lol. Mind you, that doesn't mean Nathan isn't fairly content at times or that he's not genuinely excited for this baby. But at the core of the marriage, true love isn't there. That much I can say with 99.999% certainty. Sure, on London's end, she's clearly infatuated with him but, again, in an immature way. If she were mature, she would've seen this marriage/relationship for what it was a long time ago and she would've left. But as you alluded to, she's in love with the fame and buzz it's gotten her (possibly even more in love with that than with Nathan). xP

That girl is super strange.....she keeps on tweeting Nathan that he's her father and calling him daddy, so I think Madisen was just making fun of her....

But honestly, it could definitely be jealousy/anger about all the attention Nondon is getting because of the baby (or got because of it)......you think Nathan could be cheating on London with Madisen?

As much as we know Nathan isn't really in love with London was probably deep down will always love Madisen, I don't know if he would ever cheat. I mean, people wondered if Nathan was cheating on Madisen, and I could never believe it.

Yeah, it's definitely strange, I'll agree with that. But that girl who commented on Madisen's picture tweets Nathan basically everyday calling him "daddy", so maybe she was responding to it with being creeped out. Or maybe some bitterness, like "No, my ex-boyfriend is having a kid with another woman, go talk to him about it"

So they basically said that yes, Freddie loved Carly and not Sam, since no points are made that he loved Sam and the main character ships Creddie (because from pictures, that girl is technically the main character of the show).

Actually have to give Nathaniel some credit for pointing out one of Creddie's biggest problems, with Carly never really loving Freddie for Freddie.

And of course, the "Seddie is abusive" is brought up, and as we can say, no one will deny how awful Sam was to Freddie all of Season 1 and most of Season 2, but starting Season 2 and on there's clearly a change in the characters, where Freddie seems to learn to not only stand up for himself, but to fight back and play it as a game.

And Londy is looking super preggers now. It's very typical for first time parents to make their entire social medias about their first born, but Nondon being Nondon doesn't give them the pass for me. Especially since with every picture they post I'll be wondering if they're actually taking care of this child like real adult parents or just pawning her off to Mamas Kress and Moore to "chill in sweat pants" all day.

Lol, a couple of these don't look so bad but when he's listening to her stomach like a walkie talkie...lmao. xD

I doubt you watched the episode (I didn't, either) but from what Epic told me she didn't even notice Londy when she watched it and of course it was a bullshit non-answer, as we all knew it was going to be. xP

No I didn't watch it, I just stalked twitter a bit to find out what happened.

I was thinking about this.....I wonder if it isn't necessarily that DAN is the Creddie fan, but rather the Nick executives prefer Creddie, due to it's appeal to the general public and believing Seddie gives off a bad name for Nick to the general public.

I mean, basically all the Creddie hints were found in the things Nick controls (the promos for the episodes and the websites). I watched the episode after in that link Epic gave, and in the episode, I'm sure she told you, but one of the last iCarly clips they show is the end of iKiss, which can be said to be the turning point in Sam and Freddie's relationship. And yet, no Creddie clips were shown in the actual episode.

I'm probably wrong, and basically everyone from Nick support Creddie due to the appeal of the "nerdy boy who had the crush on the perfect girl from the beginning get's her in the end." But I do wonder a little bit.

And as for the Nondon pictures, maybe the ones where they both look straight forward are okay for me, but the ones even where he's just putting his hand on her stomach and they're kissing are too fucking awkward. I understand that they're probably being asked to make those poses, but if they're in love and the real deal as they've been trying to tell us for 2 years, I wouldn't expect it to look as fucking awkward as it does.

And the pictures of him listening to her stomach are basically the end. If I were that little girl and found those pictures when I grew up, I would contact that compnay and demand them to delete those pictures immediately out of sheer embarassment for her parents trying to be cute and failing miserably.