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Hey CN-33 owners I noticed something weird last night. The top notes have a sustain on them even without the sustain pedal. As I go down there is a G that has the sustain and then F# down do not. I kept hitting the note G and it sustained and the ones below do not. Over and over. Has anyone noticed this? It's the 2nd G from the top.

I'm going to upgrade the firmware to see if that fixes it but thought I'd ask here first since I haven't heard anyone talking about this. I hope it's not defective.

Acoustic pianos have no dampers on the high octave or two. Those notes are relatively weak and have little sustain, so there's no need for dampers.

Digital pianos deliberately emulate that.

I'm really impressed that digital pianos mimic this behavior. I played with all the instruments and it's only the piano sounds that have it. Now I know why. I never use these keys so I never noticed it before or on a real piano. I'll check it out on a real piano though.

Thanks for the quick response.

Another thing, just in case anyone searches for it.. I tried updating the firmware with my old usb key and I got "noF". I couldn't figure out what it was so I tried a new key and it worked perfectly. So if anyone ever has this problem try a new usb drive. The "noF" doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. It wouldn't let me load a MIDI from USB either. It's an old USB drive maybe 8 years old so no big deal.

I'm still loving my CN-33 and I play it daily. I used to prefer an old out of tune acoustic piano at the grandparents but now that I'm used to the CN-33 I prefer the CN-33 and I shiver at some of the out of tune notes on the acoustic.

Possibly the format of the stick is not recognized. Reformat it, preferrably using the piano and possibly it works...

I reformatted it FAT32 on my windows computer. The digital piano won't accept it at all. Can't even format it.

I checked out the acoustic I've been playing and it does the same thing (the damper thing) and even has it to the D below the G on my CN-33. I'm surprised I never noticed it before but I never use those keys.

Thanks James, that was interesting and in the comments several found that page after discovering this on their digital pianos, like me. It's really interesting to learn how pianos work, that got me googling and next thing I know an hour has gone by and I'm a bit smarter.

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Hi,I just purchased a CN 33 Rosewood. I was looking for a digital to practice any hour of the day or night. I'm fortunate in that I have an acoustic,but would like to get more pracitce in and not destrube the house. I spent three hours in the store on Saturday, it was a Kawai sales event. I went back and forth between the 23 and 33. There is a subtle difference that you may be more sensitive to if you play an acoustic piano. The Kawai representative was very hepful in explaining the difference. Although, I did not need many of the added features, the action made the difference. The store along with Kawai will be haaving demonstrations on how to use the many voices and layering. Thank you James for all your help. My CN33 will be delivered on Friday. Dot

Hi,I just purchased a CN 33 Rosewood. I was looking for a digital to practice any hour of the day or night. I'm fortunate in that I have an acoustic,but would like to get more pracitce in and not destrube the house. I spent three hours in the store on Saturday, it was a Kawai sales event. I went back and forth between the 23 and 33. There is a subtle difference that you may be more sensitive to if you play an acoustic piano. The Kawai representative was very hepful in explaining the difference. Although, I did not need many of the added features, the action made the difference. The store along with Kawai will be haaving demonstrations on how to use the many voices and layering. Thank you James for all your help. My CN33 will be delivered on Friday. Dot

Congratulations Dot. You will find it quite simple to operate many of the other features if you need them.

We look forward to a photo once it's delivered, after you can tear yourself away from playing it of course.

Another new member and I like to start by thanking everyone. These forums help me out on selecting CN-33. Order one from Thomann.

Although I am very happy with the piano, I have one problem.When I was assembling the piano following the user manual,the protective film that supposed to cover the display is not there.The display showed signs of being used before (does not look new).It has some cosmetic scuffs and one small scratch can be seen easily by the naked eye.I called Thomann, at first they try to offer me €15 back but I refused.They also offer to exchange it but I have to pay the shipping to Ireland and I refused.Finally they offer to arrange for a courier to pick it up and they will replace it after examining it.

The question I have for CN-33 owners ,

How is the display on your piano, does it looks nice, clean and smooth?Should I just keep the piano or exchange it?

Spanishbuddha, thank you very much for your quick respond. You are right, there is a protective film. I will be calling Thomann ASAP to apologize.For anyone who is looking for Digital Piano at around €1200-1300, it does not get better than CN-33. At €1500 go for CN-63 with even bigger speakers and more functions. The feel is just right. I connected the piano to one of those Yamaha sound bars, the sound is amazing. All I need now is a good set of headphones. Once more thank you everyone.

Spanishbuddha, thank you very much for your quick respond. You are right, there is a protective film. I will be calling Thomann ASAP to apologize.For anyone who is looking for Digital Piano at around €1200-1300, it does not get better than CN-33. At €1500 go for CN-63 with even bigger speakers and more functions. The feel is just right. I connected the piano to one of those Yamaha sound bars, the sound is amazing. All I need now is a good set of headphones. Once more thank you everyone.

Good result. Welcome to the forum and congrats on your CN33. Thanks for the photo's. Now to enjoy playing it, what is your skill level and what do you play?

Pity about the keyboard put aside (to the left in the photo) what is/was it?

DannyTes & salzdt: Congrats on your new CN-33 pianos. I have been playing mine every day, progressing through Alfred's level 1 and now into level 2. I had an arranger keyboard for over a year and barely played it but the CN-33 gets played every day. I simply love it.

Good to hear others are enjoying theirs too. Funny story about the sticker. I never took mine off. My pedals still have the plastic but I'm going to take it off cause it looks a bit tacky.

Spanishbuddha, thank you very much for your quick respond. You are right, there is a protective film. I will be calling Thomann ASAP to apologize.For anyone who is looking for Digital Piano at around €1200-1300, it does not get better than CN-33. At €1500 go for CN-63 with even bigger speakers and more functions. The feel is just right. I connected the piano to one of those Yamaha sound bars, the sound is amazing. All I need now is a good set of headphones. Once more thank you everyone.

Hi I would like to ask your experience with Thomann.de.Where do you live and how long did it take from order to delivery?I called them and they sounded nice and professional.I live in Switzerland.

I am considering the CN43 with the set bench and headphones from Thomann.

And one more thing: does the sound (piano) from CN33 identical to the CN43?

Hi Swisshat, I bought my CN33 from Thomann and I live in England the delivery didn't take long and I was informed by text as to the progress of the delivery. However, one small hic-cup when the courier routing person left a message on my mobile phone (cell phone?) voicemail informing me of the delivery date and time, I never got the voicemail message so the courier turned up at my home while I was out, but I got a telephone call and the courier came back the next day. I've never played the CN43, is this a new model, but I'm more than pleased with my CN33......recommended. Just one thing, if your outside the Euro zone (€) you'll get foreign transaction fees when you pay with your card, around 3%.

I also have had good experience ordering with thomann.de, already at least six times. Be aware that they are growing and don't always have their act together. Take the time to call and meet your country representative before placing your order to ensure that they will look out for your order and that their many promises are actually met and that you receive your piano when you expect to receive it.

I also have had good experience ordering with thomann.de, already at least six times. Be aware that they are growing and don't always have their act together. Take the time to call and meet your country representative before placing your order to ensure that they will look out for your order and that their many promises are actually met and that you receive your piano when you expect to receive it.

I also have had good experience ordering with thomann.de, already at least six times. Be aware that they are growing and don't always have their act together. Take the time to call and meet your country representative before placing your order to ensure that they will look out for your order and that their many promises are actually met and that you receive your piano when you expect to receive it.

Both.With the years of maturity you learn that very few things in life are simplistically either binary black or white and good or evil.

Getting yourself informed of facts, checking facts and using your head to think can save you lots of problems.

If you dig a little you will see that I am a big fan of thomann and of Kawai -- but not necessarily of buying a Kawai from thomann from a foreign country. To understand that without being willing to take me at my word you will need to do some work yourself and analyze facts that are shared freely on this forum.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the brands discussed here and to each of the retail channels.

For most of the mature and constructive posters here, it is not about some Football Fan style contest to cheer one's own personal brand or to misuse the board to sell, but it is about sharing information objectively -- especially information that the manufacturers and retailers don't do a great job of sharing.

As far as being confused, I am afraid I cannot help you with your English comprehension.

For a start, you could actually take a polite and respectful approach, read and think about what people have written -- not what you imagine they have written -- not read your own biases into things and not let yourself get confused by all the nasty shouting on the forum and whispering in personal messages in German from certain biased trouble makers on this board.

After you receive your digital piano and start to learn a little about playing and perhaps get your kid excited, perhaps you might decide to stick around here and instead of just taking also give back.

Both.With the years of maturity you learn that very few things in life are simplistically either binary black or white and good or evil.

Getting yourself informed of facts, checking facts and using your head to think can save you lots of problems.

If you dig a little you will see that I am a big fan of thomann and of Kawai -- but not necessarily of buying a Kawai from thomann from a foreign country. To understand that without being willing to take me at my word you will need to do some work yourself and analyze facts that are shared freely on this forum.

There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the brands discussed here and to each of the retail channels.

For most of the mature and constructive posters here, it is not about some Football Fan style contest to cheer one's own personal brand or to misuse the board to sell, but it is about sharing information objectively -- especially information that the manufacturers and retailers don't do a great job of sharing.

As far as being confused, I am afraid I cannot help you with your English comprehension.

For a start, you could actually take a polite and respectful approach, read and think about what people have written -- not what you imagine they have written -- not read your own biases into things and not let yourself get confused by all the nasty shouting on the forum and whispering in personal messages in German from certain biased trouble makers on this board.

After you receive your digital piano and start to learn a little about playing and perhaps get your kid excited, perhaps you might decide to stick around here and instead of just taking also give back.

You do not come across as the type of poster you advise me to be.Anyway, THANK YOU, for even having an interest in my question.I am a newbie to Kawai and DP's.I am an OLD BIRD to internet forums, since 20 years.

Therefore there is no mistaking your tone.

BTW, some of us do not have all the time in the world, to troll through all the threads. We sent a quick question, even a FAQ, and hope some kind soul will post back a quick answer.To advise a new guy to "search" and read through 198Gb of posts...is just so clever.

Originally Posted By: theJourney

stick around here and instead of just taking also give back.

With such polite people like you, people like me will be SO HAPPY to stick around. In case you don't get it, YOU and YOUR posts are pushing me away from this "initially friendly" forum.NO offense to the others who send me their straight talk, non condescending comments.

i must confess that i really would like the Roland Hpi-7f which sports the latest roland technology together with the i-guess-is-fun-maybe-is-also-useful-and-i-really-want-it digiscore or an hp307, but going through this thread i am more and more convinced to get the cn33

My opinion is that the CN33 is better value than the HP307 and also maybe as good. Why don't you try them both out for yourself and see. The 7F is also nice, and a stage piano whereas the CN33 is a console home style piano. They have been reviewed on here and compared and it's close, but also subjective, and it depends on what your needs are.

thanks buddha, are comments/opinions like yours that i'm in search for.

i have been spending the last two weeks going through the forum in search of reviews and opinions and that's why i also came to the conclusion that the cn33 may be a better choice budget/performance wise.

unfortunatly i don't think to have the skills to tell the difference between the various DPs sound or touch performance, that's why i'm mostly relying on cold specs and opinions of expert people.

i did my homework though and i've been lucky enough to have some people playing the pianos for me, but unfortunatly not in the same shops so i can't say it was a direct comparison. as for now i've "reviewed" roland's hp/hpi line and a casio px830.

i was able to appreciate the difference in the decay of a note, but probably because (after all this time spent on the forum) i was looking for it, but i can't really tell if i would notice it without knowing it. the same goes for sound: i had talented people (normal customers of the shop not a vendor)playing for me and i probably prefer the rolands over the casio, but again i can't tell if it was because of what i was expecting, and i'm still not sure which roland i do prefer. even worse for touch and action: i've tickled the keyboards and to my memory they all are better than the acoustics i used to play (but that was 25 years ago and my memory could be really wrong !!!).

so my (i dare to say obvious) conclusion is if i'm not able to tell the difference (or at least not so disctintly) why invest all that money on it? (the geek part of me is still watering over the hpi-7f though) and the cn33 at 1.250 euros (roughly 1.800 usd) it seems to be the wisest choice.

but, suddenly, i came across the DPBSD and the comments over the cn33 don't seem to be all that positive. so i'm starting to wonder if i will regret it when and IF my skills will grow.

PS i don't wan't a stage piano (better, my wife imposed me that it has to be aesthetically pleasing) and i'm going to test (with the above mentioned self limitations) the cn33 as soon as the shop receives it.

compared to roland's SN line (i don't know why but i never considered yamahas (probably for what they've done to valentino rossi or simply because i feel them to be overpriced)) there are pros and cons (i was also interested on a casio AP620, roughly the same price of the cn33 (online though) but the shop had a privia px830 which the cn33 outpaced on every respect so i gave up the idea of the 620).

let start with the cons: sound - whilst playing simple tunes i could'nt tell a significant difference between the kawai and one from roland's SN line, but playing single notes the difference was (to me) substantial; note decay, especially on lower notes, is richer, smoother and, also playing lower notes, i could phisically feel some vibrations under my finger; a sensation that i like, but i couldn't feel/haven't noticed on the cn33 (probably because of the speakers position?). that's a pity beacuse i could also feel it on the casio and is a feature that i'll miss.

and now the pros - action and touch: is not probably night and day but i do prefer kawai's touch and action. to my memory is far better even than the acoustic uprights i used to play (they were pretty basics pianos though). i felt roland's action lighter whilst kawai's seems (to me) far better weighted and balanced, almost like the "real thing".

At the end i chose the kawai. either of the pianos would have been a compromise: the kawai for sound and roland for action and touch. here is where price comes into play: roland's hp305 (the HP302 is not directly comparable, specs wise, to the CN33 and still is more expensive of about 350 USD) costs over 1000 USD more and the HP307 is another 1000 USD over the 305.

Probably a good player could benefit (if he liked the action) of roland's better (for me) sound engine: i guess it can provide highly expressive nuances, but unfortunatly is not my case: it will be a long time before i can reach that level of expressiveness. and again a good player would probably get the real thing anyway.

In the end i'm very happy: i didn't spend a fortune, action is great, sound is good and i can always try a software piano if in need of a better sound, but i can't get a software action