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Durbin, Graham, King, Levin, Lieberman and McCain were all on last week, and over the last several years, perhaps dozens if not hundreds of times. To the producers and anchors of the Sunday Talk Shows, how about some NEW faces? Can we now call these people retreads?

Since becoming Chairman of Washington County I have realized things will never be the same. Over are the days of just sitting back and enjoying some quiet time writing or riding my bike. One of the first calls I received was from some older guy insisting I do everything I could to drop the social issues from the platform or we would never win another election. He claimed to have results showing how over half the women were not voting for us due to the Life issue and it was turning them off. Apparently every woman cant wait to have her first abortion and is terrified those Sexist Repubs were going to take that dream from her.

Just to make it clear, I am the Chairman of the Republicans, not the Democrats and if you want a platform that includes unlimited access to killing innocents that is the Party for you. Rather than getting my beliefs from bogus polls and the concerned Establishmedia, I get my polling from the thousands of Republican doors I have knocked in the past two years. I can say without a doubt that the Republican women and men I have talked to repeatedly tell me they will not vote or put up a sign for a pro-abortion Republican. So when I hear this is damaging the Party I have to take it with a mountain of salt.

Most of those who repeat that belief have no real knowledge of it other than what they have been told. They believe we pro-lifers are a bunch of nuts who put God above Party and are right to a point. They think of us as fundamentalist who vote on a single issue without looking at the bigger picture of a changing demographics. Most of us also look at it from a logical and Constitutional aspect and will not put the moral issue aside.
Constitutionally, we all believe in the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. We want to protect the Right to Life of the baby as well as the mother.

If you believe the Constitution is right then it becomes a question as to when those Rights exist and the pro-abortion folks say it begins when the baby is born while we say it is when its formed. Anyone who has an 8th grade biology understanding knows you have to consider life to begin when the cells begin splitting. For a baby in the womb it is when the first cells divide and we say that is when life begins. Those splitting cells will not become a monkey or giraffe they become a human being. If that is true, which it is then the baby begins growing at conception which is also when it should have Constitutional Rights. If it has Constitutional Rights then it has the Right to Life and cant be aborted.

If you look at it from a moralistic issue, you are asking the pro-lifers like myself to simply ignore it is a life and allow society to kill those lives who exist in the wombs. Again Pro-life says all life should be protected and none are considered superior than another. A baby should no more be killed inside the womb as outside it yet the pro-abortion crowd says there is a moral difference between inside the womb and outside the womb yet cannot come up with a day or time that baby is killable and when it is not. They cannot be true to themselves and say the baby should be killed up until the first breath since that is too far yet why is that any different between that and the day of conception and the splitting of the first cells? There is no such thing as a little bit dead, either you have killed it or not and no degrees of dead, either you are or you arent.

Once you agree that there are levels of life worthiness you are then walking down a very dangerous path. With Obama DeathCare it now becomes when people reach levels of value when do you say someone is worth saving and when are they not. Do you kill the old or infirmed and who decides whose life is important and whose is not? Since you have already said babies can be destroyed at such and such a month then it also means people stop being of worth at such and such a year or certain defects. Are they killable at ninety or eighty or sixty-five? If that sounds extreme you can use the same exact logic of killing a baby on the doctors table which many Democrats including Obama believe.

We Conservatives understand the fluidity of the argument so we simply agree with the Bible which says all life is valuable and needs to be protected by society. At a time when people in America are begging for children to adopt why are we as a Country killing over a million per year? Why are we encouraging frightened girls and women to go through with a procedure which will destroy their babies and their lives? Women after abortion are over 250% more likely to suffer from drugs, alcoholism and depression from turning their womb into a tomb. They wake up the next morning and realize they have turned their lifelong dream of having a baby into a nightmare and that is when the psychological trauma begins. We as a Party do not believe that is an option we can accept and have proudly been pro-life while fighting against the forces of death since that is what is right and true.

We welcome every different political party and group it is just that we ask those joining us to have as open a mind as they ask us to have. Like many I have gone from pro-abortion to being against it as I began to ask myself when life begins. If I go with biology then I have to say at conception and if that is the case then that is when does his Right to Life begin? If you knock the Republican doors you will find they overwhelmingly understand this concept and support it. Those who dont continue making up statistics or poll numbers which are questionable at best to drop it and only support the easier fiscal issues. Many say that is a cheaper form of Conservatism that is easier to defend but tends to weaken their support among their ranks thus losing elections.

My job as County Chairman is to provide a structure for candidates to run and support them in an operational standpoint. I will not ask them to leave their moral convictions behind and will help them promote the pro-life stand but if a pro-abortion candidate is elected will support them over the alternative who will also be pro-abortion. I wish all of our candidates had the courage and ability to defend the pro-life position but many do not and hopefully we can help with this articulation. It is a very cut and dry issue that is easier to explain than is ever attempted but it is an issue which needs real leadership to let people know where you stand. If they want to attack it needs to have a strong counter asking why a baby does not have the right to life and just exactly when if ever do they receive that protection in America?

Pray for America
Gary Bray

Note: The above opinion is not necessarily my own, but FReeper Brays. If you wish to discuss this, please ping Bray.

You could take a list from 2008, match it with this one and 90% of the names would be the same. None of them have anything new to say and would never veer from their party’s talking points. Watching is a total waste of time.

I agree. That's one reason I never watch TV, period. I can get more than enough essence from these shows (and that's what these are, shows, they certainly don't qualify as news) by just reading this thread.

Thanks Alas.

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posted on 11/25/2012 5:33:10 AM PST
by upchuck
(America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)

Never fear Tom, it ain’t gonna be Jeb.If it is I’m moving even further South.And I can’t go much further.
I’m hopeful we get a Tea Party candidate in 2016.
But, quite frankly I’m much more interested in 2014 right now.
I would love to see Sarah Palin do what she does best. Get candidates elected to the House and Senate in what could be a great election cycle for us in 2014.

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posted on 11/25/2012 6:11:20 AM PST
by rodguy911
(FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)

Republicans are Religious Fundamentalists
-A party of women getting raped and forced to have babies; prevented from buying birth control and forced to pray to Jesus

Republicans hate Mother Earth

Republicans love big oil buddies

Republicans love war

Goosh, I could keep this up all day. Still, all of it is lies—but we cannot overcome this level of media involvement in the POLITICAL process. Moreover, it’s moved into our schools, music, culture... I don’t have a single answer to fix it.

Hope everyone had good Thanksgiving. Stayed home Thanksgiving but went up to daughter’s on Friday and stayed over. Now back home and rested.

I’ve been doing so much thinking about the last election, as have we all, I’m sure. I’ll share, some for laughs, some serious, some thoughts with no solutions.

Meanwhile, thank you AB for doing the thread so well and dependably.

And when I don’t think AB can get any better, now he provides a link to transcripts of all Sunday talk shows, how cool is that?

I begin by noting on Fox News Sunday Juan McCain is the spokesnoid on Benghazi and foreign policy for the pubs as it seems.

I’m so sick of these RINOS but I’ll shut up. This year I shall remove my membership to the Republican party and guess what? I’m signing on to the Libertarian ticket up to and UNTIL the Tea Party finally forms.

It’s not that McCain does a bad job of explaining Benghazi and the like but he’s not the best the pubs have, he’s not and y’all know it. It’s how it is with the pubs, once you get some others owing to you you never go away. It’s how we ended up with Bob Dole, come on, THAT was the best they could do out of all of America?

Or John McCain and his awful daughter, George Dubya and sidekick Rove, who never met a charge of malfeasance or ineptness that he agreed to defend.

And in 2016....who do we have?

JEB BUSH!!!

John McCain and his sidekick Graham are now on TV all the time. They are the best the pubs have?

Okay AB, let’s begin with your assertion that the media is in the tank for all things liberal, including candidates, ideas, yada, yada.

There’s is no law on earth against it. The ONLY way to control the media is to REFUSE TO WATCH THEIR PRODUCT!!!

So okay, that being said, nobody’s guilty of love of TV and such than mine own self.

One of two things will have to happen.

Some Conservative somewhere, maybe a Koch or even a Romney for God’s sake, will have to start a new network/newspaper, preferably a TV network/movie studio.

It’s easier said than done I’ll admit but first things first, pubs have lots of money, it’s time they start fighting back using the liberal weapons the same way.

Once the Tea Party gets its mold together we’ll have more power. The biggest weakness of the Tea Party is lack of organization and totally non-realization of their power, how to call it when needed, how to best utilize the power they have.

Huckabee called for a day devoted to Chick Fil-A for a conservative cause most precious. Boom, it worked.

Flocks of us poured into DC to protest, “speak” of our discontent.

We need leaders and an agreed upon call to action. We need to think outside the box.

Gregory Meeks -WTH? The man belongs in jail and he will be presented as someone with credibility? What are the chances that the investigation into his bogus Hurricane Katrina and other charities will be brought up by Gregory?

Ironically the next day I flew to Salt Lake for business and was golfing with an 85 yr old economics professor from BYU. He personally knew Milton Friedman and mentioned he was a Liberaltarian. When I mentioned I had just won Chair of a County he immediately went to abortion and bigger gummit.

He threw every cliche at the book but never could come up with when a baby was abortable and when it was not. I ticked him off but held my ground and forced him to think for the first time in his life. Mormons are pretty squishy on this issue.

GOPe are already floating trial balloons to see how receptive the sheeple are to Jeb B for 2016.

If that is the next it is his turn guy, the GOP have already lost 2016.

HW Read My Lips and Open Checkbook George have tainted the Bush name for decades. Over 50% of the 2012 exit polls blamed GW, not Obie, for the bad economy.

The trial balloon is, however, stirring the loyalist Bushbots.

I like to refer to them as the Bush Crime Family, though, while not in the same league as the Demoviks, they ARE a self-propagating political family that is EXACTLY what the revolutionaries were trying to rid themselves of when they wrote the Declaration — anointed royalty that rules by birthright and patronage. In essence, they are DREADFUL.

I would say Sarah Palin but I don't think she will ever really run. Big media's mafia hit on her was successful. I don't think she will turn it around in the minds of the sheeple. And becoming a TV reality show star cemented the meme that she's a light weight. I argue for her with others, but they will not change their minds.

Frankly, I'm not impressed by any of these names. Maybe Paul Ryan, but I don't see how we can beat the coalition of democrats and media acting together so completely.

My next worry is that the democrats and RINOs like McCain and Graham, along with the full propaganda weapons of the media, will give us illegal alien Amnesty. GOP-e will be cowed into it by charges of RACISM. If that happens, we'll see 10 million or more democratic votes for the forseeable future.

To the producers and anchors of the Sunday Talk Shows, howabout some NEW faces?...Can we now call these people retreads?

of course not; Linda, Juan & now Chambliss...These Preening Establishment Types, have sacrifice much to be on these shows...circuses..think liberal balancethanks, for the Ping(s :) & the transcripts....

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posted on 11/25/2012 6:50:08 AM PST
by skinkinthegrass
(Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)

The only way we’ll “get the country back” is from the grassroots up. Folks like yourself taking a stand on a local level - it’s a start. Even though you’re not in my ‘neck of the woods’, thank you for your efforts!

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posted on 11/25/2012 6:50:31 AM PST
by MissMagnolia
("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)

I don't either, AB. I suspect it will take a pretty healthy collapse before people start paying attention.

Meanwhile, Dems will have a hard time finding another race-playing Obama. Old Media will become older and less relevant. Internets become stronger. Standard of living worsens. Obie's young voters become discontent collecting freebies and realize they'll need a salary to support their dreams. We'll all be taxed to death and cursing Obamacare.

Things will look different in 18 months....and drastically different running up to 2016. I'm confident it will be a POS few months and years, but a mid-term sweep like 2010 is a pretty good bet. At that point we can begin the fix. Too bad, Mitt would have been a good start on the fix.

-A Rich that is evil and lucky (no hard work involved here, unless youre a movie or rock starand they CARE!), and is taking from the PEOPLE

So Ben comes out and shows how much he cares, with a tear in his eye and a puppy dog smile, and we add another brick in the wall. And, of course, he's a democrat with democratic party values. As I said, it's all political now. The media is a political party.

I do like your idea about buying a network--but why hasn't that happened?

Republicans do not message well. “They should all be fired” does not do much to gain support of the working poor when the other side offers them free everything.

I was over on a thread about Walmart strikes and anyone reading it would conclude the first item on your list, Republicans are for the rich, is true. I guess someone could have looked at the comments and instead concluded that Republicans are very hostile to the working poor.

As I think you are pointing out, Republicans have a messaging problem and I agree with you that it needs to be fixed. The Republicans that have been in Congress for years have never pressed the conservative agenda. They don’t know how to present it in a way that does not make it sound like Republicans hate everyone.

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posted on 11/25/2012 6:56:24 AM PST
by gunsequalfreedom
(Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)

I'm sitting here watching all the BS that is MTP with DNC Dave and his phony panel after panel-- week after week and a single thought comes to mind. Any of us could tear up these losers and show them the error of their ways in no uncertain terms!

Never are there anyone who stands up for the American way of life present on these pathetic shows. Only moderates far left demagogues. Get along to go along BS "guests".

IN the end they are easy to counter. But lack any bravado found at FR and other sites on the web.

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posted on 11/25/2012 6:57:13 AM PST
by rodguy911
(FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)

I’m very proud of you Bray but since I’m mentally rebuilding the pubs or a new Tea Party, this abortion thing is a problem.

I really don’t want to argue. I think abortion is murder. I’d be all in favor or the legality, timing and such of it was left to the states.

But it’s not a good Republican/Conservative item and it will NEVER be made illegal, ie Roe vs Wade will NEVER be overturned. Goodness, you saw what happened over free birth control, if you think any gain would be made to eliminate abortion I got a bridge to sell.

It’s silly to say abortion should be made illegal in the event of rape or incest only. THAT’s not going to work, get thinking cap on. The Dems/Soros/media buddies will have two commercials. One will show a woman with a purple bruised face, ragged torn clothes, split bleeding lips: “The Republicans want me to have my rapist’s baby. He left me like this now I must suffer nine more months plus the pain of childbirth.”

The alternate would be a young girl of 13, obviously pregnant, very sad in terms of her youth, a child still with more growing up to do. “My father raped me for years. Finally I got pregnant. Now Joe Schmoe the Republican candidate wants me to have my father’s baby. What did I do wrong?” (this sort of thing works for ASPCA commercials, the dems know how to use emotion while pubs are wimps at it.

And if a woman doesn’t want a pre-born child, she just declares she was raped or the father was her brother and boom, she’d be eligible for a “legal” abortion.

Don’t tell me about DNA and other such. In the case of rape, they spiked my drink, it was date rape, even if DNA was taken for proof. For incest, well I don’t know. Whatever, whatever, abortion is a losing issue.

Best to fight for the states to take over the legality of it all but even at that the pubs are awful at making a point, we know it.

Even the taking of DNA for proof of incest or rape seems harsh to a woman already dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. Man I can see the commercials now...”She was raped by a serial rapist; now she must endure a test of her truthfulness and baby paternity or she will have to bear the child of her rapist.”

I’m so good I can write these commercials for the Dems/Soros.

Finally, if you think an unborn child is meant to be born, making an exception for rape or incest seems....weak-kneed. I know people who think unborn babies or such questionable conception are still children of God and deserve to be born. Frankly I feel that way too. To take two different positions on the matter depending on the conception of the unborn child seems disjointed to me.

Leading to a Republican stand that it’s okay to kill the unborn baby in certain circumstances.....I have more respect for those who are stalwart in their love for the unborn than those who think it depends on the conception/who fathered it.

Still and so, then I’ll shut up for a bit, there is a way to deal with the matter of abortion way better than the pubs have for the last ten years. Women, all of them no matter what stupid things they might say, do NOT want to kill the baby they carry. Women want the father of the child they carry to hold them tightly in their arms, to assure them that he will take care of the baby and love her (the mother) forever.

THAT’s what women want and a brave Republican should say that for God’s sake.

This is simply wishful thinking. The lamestream media is dominated by youthful appartachiks in producer and reporter roles, led by older editors and managers who created or perfected today’s leftist orthodoxy.

These people and this power center is NOT going away and has a tremendous grip on the part of the population that votes but has little day-to-day interest in politics.

They are EXPERT in propaganda and agitprop and control not just news-streams but also the vital entertainment industry, an ancillary of the the propaganda machine.

It’s just silly to say it’s going away. It’s never been more dominant. In fact, it has a significant slice of the population absolutely HYPNOTIZED.

My take has always been either Palin or Rubio.Can't see anyone else with their qualities.

Those two are the most charismatic leaders I can come up. That's absent a new player that can become a household name in the "minutes" that we have before a major campaign which should have started November 7th.

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posted on 11/25/2012 7:03:20 AM PST
by rodguy911
(FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)

My take has always been either Palin or Rubio.Can’t see anyone else with their qualities.

Those two are the most charismatic leaders I can come up. That’s absent a new player that can become a household name in the “minutes” that we have before a major campaign which should have started November 7th.

The Republicans will NEVER nominate Palin. No way. As for Rubio, he would lose.

Old Media will become older and less relevant. Internets become stronger.

Old Media, especially network news, still gets a massive audience compared to any Cable network news or Internet venue.

Those who are busy living their lives turn on the TV news and, maybe, listen to radio news on their way to and from work. They are not news junkies, so they only get that slanted, limited amount of news.

This last election proved that the MSM, both print and broadcast, have significant influence with the sheeple.

I have news for you Fish, the issue is not hurting us. Getting our our vote is hurting us and when we become RepublicRats our Conservatives don’t vote. People are starving for leadership and running away from moral issues is not leadership.

We have a system which gets 90-95% of the Repubs to vote and are developing it to get the Independents we want. That is how you win elections and especially local elections. You find the voters to match your message not find a message to match the voters.

I don’t know why the pubs haven’t bought a network or elsewhere used national media to make their points.

How about the D’nish movie? That was very sucessful but it was small and not hyped. But look at how well it did even though? The pubs need to get out of the boardroom and start fighting back fire with fire.

Which brings me to free things.

It’s no good to sit and mock and chortle over the boobs that voted for Obama to get free stuff.

There’s an old saying somewhere that as soon as the citizenry learns how to vote itself money from other peoples’ pockets there’s no turning back.

I think that’s true but I don’t think we should pack up our ball and go home.

WE SHOULD GIVE FREE STUFF TOO!!!

How about next pub/Tea Party guy running promotes a platform of FREE HATS FOR LIFE?

Everybody needs hats, all kinds of hats. Say we get a Marco Rubio or Paul Ryan (using this “we” loosely as I am not going to be a Republican) to run on such a promo:

“Rubio promises every American citizen a hat once every year, from birth to death. Newborns will get free head caps, preferably with an Americana design. Every year an appropriate hat will be given to all citizens, all paid for by taxes paid on those who purchase hats and sent in by the hat making industry.”

I type with tongue a bit in cheek but I’m quite serious. Those pubs, they didn’t know about those free houses for the unqualified? They didn’t know about that stupid money for black farmer thing? They didn’t know that stimulus money was given to everybody making a Dem contribution of substance?

None of those pubs gets pork barrell spending?

Giving away free hats for life shouldn’t go against any ingrained idealogy, lookit Dubya and all the stuff he gave away?

Old Media will become older and less relevant. Internets become stronger.

Here I think you're wrong. They still have formidable power, and that more than anything cost us the election. We underestimated their strength, and overestimated our ability to overcome them through our New Media endeavors.

That's why I do believe that we need a new network like Fishtalk says, but it's not happening.

BTW, this Susan Rice....I read that she was one nasty, nasty woman, routinely flipping a disguised “finger bird” to those who disagree with her.

All we got are Mumbles McCain and lightfoot Graham speaking against her, sheesh, where’s the Speaker of the pub Majority house? Where’s the Senate Minority leader?

Is that lying hag someone those elected guys feel the need to protect? Every one of them, ALL of them, should be out lambasting this woman who lied over and over and over, how about compiling a tape of her lies and playing it over and over?

They don’t know how to fight back, folks. The Blue Blood pubs need to be plucked off, one by one, and a new Tea Party needs to rise.

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