Stop the Run!

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by biloxi-indian
The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was &quot;one of the ...

The only thing clear is you made a statement you cannot back-up. Don't change the subject. Provide one bit of evidence (other than my comment in this thread re; cody) where I was "one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion". It points to your inability to be credibile. Again you have no evidence I am "one of those guys" who has or will bait you. The fact is; you made an assertion that you cannot back-up and hopes it goes away. If I am wrong, prove it!

you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about

this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole

Since, in your opinion, we don't have another DT alongside Ellis to stop the run, what would you do? The draft is over and you did not have a vote on the picks! I will send your suggestions to Loomis, Payton, and Williams...I am sure they are anxiously awaiting your direction as to what they should do. lolololol

your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions

you ask them and dont expect a response

what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT

You really do need to become a more critical reader.

Let the rant continue. Rant; to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way. Declaim; to utter or recite with rhetorical effect. Extravagantly; exceeding reasonable bounds. Rhetorical; asked merely for effect with no answer expected

Lesson over!

im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild

im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer

but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story

you are baiting me right now....you are wrong so you change the subject until you can find something to be right about

this thread has nothing to do with what you have said in the past.....however, your post in this thread was more than enough to not only prove that you are blowing my opinion of terrence cody out of proportion, but that you have no idea how i actually feel about our run defense as a whole

your posts are full of criticisms and rhetorical questions

you ask them and dont expect a response

what would i do? bring in henderson for a look.....spend the money that we would be giving sharper on the run stuffing DT

im not responding with rhetoric and im not speaking violently or talking in wild

im making points that you cant respond to with normal answers so you respond with "trust payton and loomis" which is fine as an answer

but dont expect it to be an end all when there is much more to the story

legend;

I will save you time in finding evidence to back-up your assertion re; comments I made on cody and your wanting him to be a Saint...it is not there. I really didn't and don't care about your feelings about him...prior to or after the draft. So you can rest easy, now! All this being said...you might want to refrain from writing when you are angry.

Here is my response to the OP;

x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

Wrong about what? Bring Henderson in for a look/see is your answer to your perceived run stuffing DT problem. So how is that different than what is in the last paragraph above (except Henderson's name)? You really need to become a more critical reader!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw; Henderson's 2009 stats; 36 tackles (10 being assists), 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles! And this is your answer to the problem you have with the Saints and their run D? In 2009 Hargrove alone had 42 tackles (10 being assists), 5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble.

You later do a follow-up with "you said my post was obvious.....so obvious that we didnt draft a big DT or a LB which seems to be our biggest holes"

Then this jewel; "LBs.....im comfortable with our LBs". Which is it, Mr. Inconsistent?

You doubt and lack trust in Loomis, Payton, and Williams but then you opine; "loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons". I keyed in on "a huge success up until these past four seasons"! lolololol I guess it is how one defines HUGE? Building a team who has a long history of losing seasons and winning a SB IMHO is HUGE.

The "rant" was initiated by the OP; "This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night". Legend...it appears you think everything is about you, and you must/have to be right. The malady OCPD requires professional assistance.

You have proven you are incapable of admitting you made an assertion during a fit of anger...which was wrong, all the while desirous of "proving" you were right with a "rope- a-dope". If you were a more critical reader...you would have understood what you opined is exactly what I originally commented to the OP...and saved a lot of bandwidth.

Just so you know...I stand by this;

Originally Posted by CantonLegend
"cant repeat if we dont get better

every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year"

My response; "Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer."

GO Saints...in Mickey, Sean, and Gregg we trust! 2DAT.

I'll leave the last word(s) to you...as I know you have to have them! lololololol

I will save you time in finding evidence to back-up your assertion re; comments I made on cody and your wanting him to be a Saint...it is not there. I really didn't and don't care about your feelings about him...prior to or after the draft. So you can rest easy, now! All this being said...you might want to refrain from writing when you are angry.

Here is my response to the OP;

x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

Wrong about what? Bring Henderson in for a look/see is your answer to your perceived run stuffing DT problem. So how is that different than what is in the last paragraph above (except Henderson's name)? You really need to become a more critical reader!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You doubt and lack trust in Loomis, Payton, and Williams but then you opine; "loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons". I keyed in on "a huge success up until these past four seasons"! lolololol I guess it is how one defines HUGE? Building a team who has a long history of losing seasons and winning a SB IMHO is HUGE.

The "rant" was initiated by the OP; "This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night". Legend...it appears you think everything is about you, and you must/have to be right. The malady OCPD requires professional assistance.

You have proven you are incapable of admitting you made an assertion during a fit of anger...which was wrong, all the while desirous of "proving" you were right with a "rope- a-dope". If you were a more critical reader...you would have understood what you opined is exactly what I originally commented to the OP...and saved a lot of bandwidth.

Just so you know...I stand by this;

Originally Posted by CantonLegend
"cant repeat if we dont get better

every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year"

My response; "Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer."

GO Saints...in Mickey, Sean, and Gregg we trust! 2DAT.

I'll leave the last word(s) to you...as I know you have to have them! lololololol

nothing informative again here.....keep it coming

you respond to my posts....expect a response to your post....common sense

the only thing making me upset is that you havent said anything informative in any of your posts yet you keep saying im wrong or just plain ignorant

LBs are not an issue to me...but an issue to many other people here so im not alone

i need to be more critical and you need to be more informative

you like to feel like your pulling the strings and "baiting" me into responses when you say stuff like "rant continue" or "I'll leave the last word(s) to you...as I know you have to have them!"

yep yep

btw; Henderson's 2009 stats; 36 tackles (10 being assists), 3 sacks, 2 forced fumbles! And this is your answer to the problem you have with the Saints and their run D? In 2009 Hargrove alone had 42 tackles (10 being assists), 5 sacks, and 1 forced fumble.

You later do a follow-up with "you said my post was obvious.....so obvious that we didnt draft a big DT or a LB which seems to be our biggest holes"

Then this jewel; "LBs.....im comfortable with our LBs". Which is it, Mr. Inconsistent?

problem is you're lookin at stats and not being a critical reader......DTs stats dont matter as much as the LBs behind them......henderson clogs holes and eats double teams....he doesnt make a lot of plays but he creates a lot of plays for everybody else

again......feel free to respond to my question....my post was obvious.....but we still didnt address the biggest weaknesses that need to be addressed in order to repeat.....

My OP seems to have been interpreted as me saying we had a bad Run Defense.... Not my Point.

If you had to pick one spot in our game from last season that you would focus on for next season. The area where we stand to gain the most improvement in the new season... In my Opinion it would be stopping the run.

In the following areas, where should we focus: Regular season Standings

Offense:
Run 6th
Pass 4th
Special teams

Defense:
Run 21st
Pass 26th 3rd in interceptions off sets this IMO
Special teams

I still say Run Defense is where we should focus.

Sure the Front Office makes the calls. Should we just shut down the forums now, and wait and see what happens game by game? No discussion are needed correct?

In regards to Biloxi-Indian's cheap shot sniping: You took an opportunity to point out what you thought was "Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer".. While saying bye twice would lead me to believe he was finished.....gone..Twice you felt the need that you were "Just trying to provide another perspective"... Really? Wouldn't posting an opposing opinion be "obviously" providing another perspective? Sometimes the obvious is not so obvious, that people feel they need to point it out..... I never say bye in the middle of a conversation I intend to carry on.... or "BI" as you put it. Not sure what your trolling for...

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