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I agree there is a need for such a party, but I don't see it gaining unless one of the majors suddenly implodes. The way the Republicans are heading that may happen. Other than that event, I don't see the need as creating the reality.

I am not willing to trust the current politicians that claim to be Libertarians. To me, they look like the same old harda$$ed, retrograde, conservative Republicans. Already the Libertarian message is clouded up by them.

I agree there is a need for such a party, but I don't see it gaining unless one of the majors suddenly implodes. The way the Republicans are heading that may happen. Other than that event, I don't see the need as creating the reality.

I am not willing to trust the current politicians that claim to be Libertarians. To me, they look like the same old harda$$ed, retrograde, conservative Republicans. Already the Libertarian message is clouded up by them.

Elaborate or give examples please because it your are talking about Rand, there is no doubt that he is morphing from a Libertarian into a Republican. The Repubs imploded during the Bush43 years. Republicans are a broken brand and I doubt they can change their image. In the business world, they would be shut down as it is too costly to revive a brand once it has fallen. 5 Myths of the Libertarian Party http://reason.com/archives/2013/08/1...t-libertarians "In 1975, Ronald Reagan saw a kinship between libertarians and his party: “If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism,” he said."

Last edited by Franco; 10-18-2013 at 10:52 AM.

Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge

I am not that out of sync with what the Libertarian viewpoint but I am not too sanguine about the party's viability. At best I would expect one of the majors to co-opt the libertarian agenda.

Yes, Rand has strayed from the flock on social issues. No doubt we have influenced the dialog. Smaller government, less spending, Balanced Budget Amendment, educational freedom, tax reform all started many years ago by the good Dr Ron Paul. If it wasn't for DR Paul's insistence on auditing the Fed in 2009, the American tax payer would have never learned that the USA loaned 15Trillion to foreign banks at 0% interest! The Libertarian Party and Ron Paul gave many of them their current talking points. The problem is, they can't take it any deeper than talking points.

Last edited by Franco; 10-18-2013 at 11:01 AM.

Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge

In Virginia, they have prohibited the Lib candidate from participating in the debates for Gov. They had one debate, did not allow the Third Party, and I think got their hands slapped, so they are not going to hold any more debates. Pretty Sad.

Add to that, that in mid 2012, the Republican Party changed how they chose a candidate from Primary votes of the people, to Convention votes, attended mainly by supporters of one candidate, who of course is the candidate for that party. The problem is, the Tea Party says they are acting in the name of the people, but it is in fact them who took the vote out of the people's hands. Pretty sad.

I am not that out of sync with what the Libertarian viewpoint but I am not too sanguine about the party's viability. At best I would expect one of the majors to co-opt the libertarian agenda.

Get back to you later. Going out to run my dogs today. Have a good one. Great discussion!

Yes, good discussion. Only people that can't articulate resort to name calling. We have a lot of that here on Potus Place. I fear that I may have to put my 14 year old yellow Lab female down this weekend. Lots of great memories in the field and marsh with her. I've had her since she was 6 weeks old. She is having a hard time standing, doesn't eat and is constantly panting. I'll see what the vet has to say first.

Last edited by Franco; 10-18-2013 at 11:45 AM.

Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge

.................................................. .................................................. ............ I fear that I may have to put my 14 year old yellow Lab female down this weekend. Lost of great memories in the field and marsh with her. I've had her since she was 6 weeks old. She is having a hard time standing, doesn't eat and is constantly panting. I'll see what the vet has to say first.

In Virginia, they have prohibited the Lib candidate from participating in the debates for Gov. They had one debate, did not allow the Third Party, and I think got their hands slapped, so they are not going to hold any more debates. Pretty Sad.

Add to that, that in mid 2012, the Republican Party changed how they chose a candidate from Primary votes of the people, to Convention votes, attended mainly by supporters of one candidate, who of course is the candidate for that party. The problem is, the Tea Party says they are acting in the name of the people, but it is in fact them who took the vote out of the people's hands. Pretty sad.

I agree, poor politics. I'm all for Open Primaries and open debates.

Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery. Calvin Coolidge

Thanks Charly! She has been a wonderful companion! We've spent a lot of time together. She was an awesome hunting dog, always got her birds, great in the house and 100% trained by me.

I feel for you. I thought I was going to have to bury hubby the last time that he lost a very good dog. There is no comfort that anyone can give to the person who loses a good dog. Words are very poor in these instances.

charly

"Well, you know even though I'm old my body should not be worn out.............I'm a lazy person so I never used it enough to wear it out"