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"Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
news:...
> When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
> now.
>
> Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
>
> This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
>
> What do you think.
>
I've not noticed any problems. It downloads the list once and then never has
to do it again. On my cable internet it only took a few seconds. On dial up
it might take a while, but you'll only need to do it once.

What makes you think its a cheap nasty cost saving measure on Paradise's
behalf? I also use other news servers, and they all behave like this.

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"Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
news:...
> When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
> now.
>
> Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
>
> This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
>
> What do you think.

Have you thought about trying out ihug?
I hear their service is pretty good.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:49:28 +1200, "nospam" <> wrote:
>"Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
>> now.
>>
>> Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
>>
>> This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
>>
>> What do you think.
>>
>I've not noticed any problems. It downloads the list once and then never has
>to do it again. On my cable internet it only took a few seconds. On dial up
>it might take a while, but you'll only need to do it once.
>
>What makes you think its a cheap nasty cost saving measure on Paradise's
>behalf? I also use other news servers, and they all behave like this.
>

On 25 Aug 2005 18:36:06 +1200, Dave Taylor
<> wrote:
>"Ray Colvill" <> wrote in news:430d5ae3
>@clear.net.nz:
>
>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670
>
>This application can be tamed for use with news groups once you learn how
>to use it to its' full potential.
>
>See http://www.slyck.com
>http://www.slyck.com/ng.php
>
>You should download all the headers ONCE, then have them saved. The next
>time you just need to download the new headers. Bodies can be done later
>if you wish to save time up front and be selective.
>
>Xnews allows you to set ranges of posts to retrieve and other clients
>listed in this thread allow even fancier things.
>
>I use X-News myself, I have heard Gravity and Xananews are also good.

Dave, I think you and "XP" are missing the original point. It's not
the fact that downloading message headers is slow, it that when you
select a new newsgroup on Paradise, there is only one new message,
telling you that THEY are now going to download the message headers
(from their upstream feed, I guess).

You have to wait for that, and THEN download the message headers
yourself. That was what I experienced the other day when I subscribed
to a French language cycling newsgroup.

James McLaughlin <> wrote in
news:
> Dave, I think you and "XP" are missing the original point. It's not
> the fact that downloading message headers is slow, it that when you
> select a new newsgroup on Paradise, there is only one new message,
> telling you that THEY are now going to download the message headers
> (from their upstream feed, I guess).
>
> You have to wait for that, and THEN download the message headers
> yourself. That was what I experienced the other day when I subscribed
> to a French language cycling newsgroup.
>
> I believe that is what Ray is talking about. Apologies if I'm wrong.
>
> Bye,
> James

AAH, well that is different altogether. Call their support and suggest
they fix it!
Maybe they could purchase some spindles for their NNTP server so they can
actually cache properly.
NNTP Retention in NZ sucks AFIAK, but only because the ISPs do not commit
resources to it.
Not only is retention poor, but when you move the retention to your own
server by using something like hamster, it still sucks, because your ISP
filters groups.

In article <1124950374.186311@ftpsrv1>, scrooge@*shot.co.nz says...
>
> "Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
> > now.
> >
> > Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
> >
> > This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
> >
> > What do you think.
>
> Have you thought about trying out ihug?
> I hear their service is pretty good.

"Dave Doe" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In article <1124950374.186311@ftpsrv1>, scrooge@*shot.co.nz says...
>>
>> "Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them
>> > right
>> > now.
>> >
>> > Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
>> >
>> > This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
>> >
>> > What do you think.
>>
>> Have you thought about trying out ihug?
>> I hear their service is pretty good.
>
> How many groups do they carry?
>
> Paradise does about 79,888 - last count.
>
> --
> Duncan

About 10,000 if you're lucky. They've had a big clean out dumping all
binaries.

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:49:28 +1200, in message
<430d5be0$>, nospam wrote:
> "Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
> > now.
> >
> > Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
> >
> > This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
> >
> > What do you think.
> >
> I've not noticed any problems. It downloads the list once and then never has
> to do it again. On my cable internet it only took a few seconds. On dial up
> it might take a while, but you'll only need to do it once.

Ray isn't referring to downloading the newsgroup list.

When you select a new group on Paradise, often instead of
being able to download the headers, you get a single message
like this.

| From: DNEWS
| Subject: Group download in progress...
| Date: 4 Jan 2005 03:27:57 +1300
| Path: newsfeed.internetmci.com!decwrl!news.demon.co.uk!enews.sgi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!waikato!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!sunsite.dco.ic.ac.uk
| Expires: 5 Mar 2005 16:27:57 +1300
| Message-ID: <>
| Distribution: local
| Followup-To: local.news
| Newsgroups: alt.example
|
| Dear user, This group is not locally stored, but now due to your
| request it is being downloaded. Articles should be available in a
| few minutes. To see a progress report you will have to re-read
| this article, you may have to set the item as 'unread' or even
| restart your news software to cause this article to be reloaded.
|
| DNEWS Home page http://netwinsite.com
| DNEWS FTP site ftp://netwinsite.com/dnews

The headers are available maybe 10 minutes later.

I have some subscribed groups which have several of these messages.
Evidently the Paradise server had forgotten about the group,
even though I pull headers regularly.

> What makes you think its a cheap nasty cost saving measure on Paradise's
> behalf?

Quote: "This group is not locally stored".

Plus experience that the server ceases to store some groups
and instead generates another of these messages in the group.

> I also use other news servers, and they all behave like this.

The old Paradise server never produced messages like this.
It always produced the message list immediately.

--snip--
> >> Have you thought about trying out ihug?
> >> I hear their service is pretty good.
> >
> > How many groups do they carry?
> >
> > Paradise does about 79,888 - last count.
>
> About 10,000 if you're lucky. They've had a big clean out dumping all
> binaries.

The only good thing about the new Paradise server (i.e. Clear's)
is that now that they are sucking from giganews, binary
completion seems better in some groups.

And judging by the intermittent updates and the message which the
OP referred to, I'd guess that it _is_ a suck feed.

--
Cheers,
Ralph

"There is only one boss, the customer. And he can fire everybody in
the company from the chairman on down, simply by spending his money
somewhere else." -- Sam Walton

E. Scrooge wrote:
> "Ray Colvill" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>>When i want to look at my newsgroups i would prefer to look at them right
>>now.
>>
>>Not 20 minutes later after group download is finished it run.
>>
>>This is not a service, it a cheap and nasty cost saving measure.
>>
>>What do you think.
>

OK, you obviously have no clue what is involved with running a "full
feed" news server. To keep a full feed news server updated you could
certainly use 25Mb/s of international traffic 24x7, that's 15-20k/month
worth. Dnews is a good compromise as it is far more efficient and very
little inconvenience to the end user. Put it this way, pretty much no
ISP in this country would waste all that money just because you are
impatient.

--snip--
> OK, you obviously have no clue what is involved with running a "full
> feed" news server.

--snip--

Scrooge can't even see your followup, due to a failure of the
Paradise/Clear news server.
1. The Paradise news server stopped exchanging messages
with any other news servers, around 5pm Saturday.
2. Scrooge is on Ihug.

snip....
> AAH, well that is different altogether. Call their support and
> suggest they fix it!

Yeah RIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The usual response is:

There's nothing wrong with the server, it's your computer....
Then insist (with a condescending attitude that you no nothing about your
computer) they'll only help if you go through settings on your browser, your
dial settings, email settings, etc, etc, etc.....

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