"As a landlord I am minding my own
business. My landlording business. I just spent two months scrubbing walls again
and again because a tenant had smoked inside and I didn't have the extra
money to pay someone else to remediate it. Even painting over it doesn't
kill the smell and the health hazard unless you can clean most of it out
first....."

So, let me get this right. You don't support
the initiative because people will smoke pot in your rental, but they already do
according to your story. So how does this initiative really damage you?
Landlords could still have a "no smoking" policy.

Cannibis
can be consumed in food, or smoked off premises. Too many landlords all of a
sudden popping up with these stories - has anyone else noticed that. Either it
is already a bad problem, and not likely to get worse, or it never was.

UtahTroutStalkerDraper, UT

Aug. 30, 2018 3:29 p.m.

Why would a landlord even be able to ask if someone had a medical cannabis
card?

Could a landlord ask me if I had cancer, or used opioids to
control chronic pain?

We need to push past these ridiculous road
blocks people. Free people should be free to make choices for themselves.

quackquackPark City, UT

Aug. 29, 2018 7:32 a.m.

False: cannabis does not cause schizophrenia this is a falsification, people
keep only hear and read what they want and continue to spread lies .

Researchers from Radboud University in the UK looked at data from more than
180,000 people as part of the study. They uncovered that people with
schizophrenia are also more likely to use cannabis.... the researchers cannot
exclude a reverse cause-and-effect relationship, meaning that cannabis use could
contribute to the risk of schizophrenia.

Their is more Clinical
evidence that Alcohol has more effect on schizophrenia than cannabis Research,
especially concerning the social contexts of alcohol misuse and the ways in
which patterns of misuse develop among people with schizophrenia and other
psychotic illnesses.

-US National Library of Medicine National
Institutes of Health

On side note isn't Religion dictating laws
consider a theocracy ?

mrjj69bountiful, UT

Aug. 29, 2018 3:20 a.m.

I agree. marijuana users should not receive preferential treatment.

jsfCenterville, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 3:56 p.m.

"label as a “stone cold sober” state," no this is a
mislabel. BYU is ranked as the most Stone Cold Sober school not the state. And
since we are talking how do this statistics, given they are verifiable, have
anything to do with legalizing marijuana if not to prove like every other drug
it would result in a disaster for the state.

ConradGurchSalt Lake City, Utah

Aug. 28, 2018 12:41 p.m.

While the opioid crisis affects the nation at large, a study by the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention found that Utah’s drug overdose mortality
rate was higher than the national average.

In fact, prescription drug
overdoses cause more deaths in Utah than firearms, falls and motor vehicle
crashes, according to the Utah Department of Health. From 2013-15, Utah ranked
No. 7 in deaths from prescription drug overdoses.

But opioids
aren’t the only issue. Despite its label as a “stone cold
sober” state, Utah also ranked seventh in the nation for the number of
alcohol poisoning deaths. And Utah was recently cited as one of the three states
with the highest level of depression, according to a 2018 study by Blue Cross
Blue Shield.

Frozen FractalsSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 12:00 p.m.

Brainoncapitalist is right, there's still prohibitions on smoking it that
stay with this proposition. It seems like every time I see something on the no
side that seems like a decent argument it ends up being false.

BrentBotSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 11:29 a.m.

Just today, research done in the United Kingdom confirms the linkage between
marijuana and schizophrenia. Why would we want to encourage a substance which
is linked to schizophrenia?

Walt NicholesOrem, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 9:21 a.m.

I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I do
not use, nor do I anticipate using, marijuana, medical or otherwise. But this
article doesn't represent my views.

I do not find the use of
marijuana "repugnant."

We have many fine Latter-Day Saints in
states where it is legal who are not retching and gagging at the very thought.
The lawsuit is over-dramatization.

I personally believe that
marijuana is one of those things Joseph Smith was referring to when he stated
that the Lord had put all sorts of plants and so forth on the earth for our
use.

Frankly I find drinking of alcohol to be repugnant, but no one
seems to want to do anything about that.

And finally, persons on the
other side have similar "constitutional principles of property rights, due
process and equal protection under the law."

FlipphoneSandy, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 9:05 a.m.

Utah is no longer the Utah of Brigham Young or even David O McKay were every one
lived by what the the LDS Church allowed. Yes,the LDS Church still dedicates
its desires and controls the legislature and a portion of the population (30%)
but there percent of the population is falling.

Utah Girl ChroniclesEagle Mountain, UT

Aug. 28, 2018 7:33 a.m.

It seems the Church wants it to be 1950 again where everyone in Utah is walking
around saying "howdy doody" to each other.

We are no longer
pouring mercurochrome into cuts and wounds. Thinking evolves. Times change

Raeann PeckSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 10:11 p.m.

SunDevilCoog Just know that marijuana is not an opiate. Not even close.
It does have benefits for pain relief and its much more benign than opiates
which are terribly over prescribed and much more dangerous. Technically, right
now, hemp CBD oil is apparently not legal either, despite it's low THC
content. I think I need to actually just read the initiative for myself.

A ScientistProvo, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 8:48 p.m.

This seems like a very disingenuous manipulation of public opinion by the
Church.

I am not impressed. I said it before and I will repeat it:
the Church should have stayed completely out of this!

Too late now!

Sativa SaintSandy, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 6:42 p.m.

I'm a semi-active Mormon; I use Cannabis for various physical ailments
(lower back), occasional anxiety, insomnia. I like how I feel, and it
doesn't 'impair' me. I should have every right to GROW MY
OWN PLANTS for my OWN USE! As a recovering alcoholic, it also helps combat
'cravings' or 'bad days' (an addict will understand what a
'bad day' is). Judge me not folks! I'm not hurting anyone; I
choose to use Cannabis vs. whatever Big Pharma meds a Dr. would prescribe for my
modest ailments. I don't like pills - but I'm sure it wouldn't be
that hard to get prescribed any number of benzos or opioids like Ambien,
Colonopin (sp?), Oxycodone/Lortab/Percocet/etc. People against Prop 2 or Medical
Cannabis in general likely 1) have never used the plant, or don't know
anyone who does use it; 2) don't suffer from chronic pain, even mild
chronic pain.

In regards to 'Recreational Cannabis', which
opponents seem to be losing their minds over, why is so hard for people to
realize that some people LIKE 'getting high' - whether that
'high' comes from a glass of wine, a legal drug (yes, people take
pills recreationally), cannabis, cocaine, etc. Cannabis is without question the
least 'intoxicating'.

brainoncapitalistEagle Mountain, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 6:20 p.m.

If any of the detractors concerned about the smoking of mj had actually read the
initiative, they'd know that smoking of cannabis is prohibited by the
initiative. I'm voting FOR the initiative because I have friends who
desperately need this for themselves and their children.

strom thurmondtaylorsville, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 6:04 p.m.

Justgordon

“Doctors don’t prescribe mariajuana so the
premise of the opposition’s solution is totally bogus.”

And pharmacies do not dispense drugs not approved by the fda.

As
you say, the opposition is logically bankrupt.

It is insulting they
believe their followers are so ignorant and apathetic in this regard.

strom thurmondtaylorsville, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 6:03 p.m.

To those claiming to be landlords:

Is it legal to ask your tenants
about their medical status or medications?

You know medicinal canibis
comes in other forms right?

No one is asking to damage your property.

OldSalt94West Jordan, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 5:57 p.m.

Internet search about the “Prohibition Amendment” and the
“Volstead Act” and you may find similarities of what is happening
across the USA after these were repealed. Utah will soon be one of the
last states to allow medical marijuana, just like it is only one of two states
that doesn’t allow gambling. Remember we were the 45th state to be
admitted (45 interesting number) to the Union. We may be last but
“societal pressure” may prevail to make it happen.Like
alcohol, marijuana is addictive and harmful. LDS, excuse me, Latter Day Saints,
have the option of not imbibing or smoking just like Catholics, Baptists, Jews,
other Christians or anyone else. I am in support of medicinal uses of
marijuana, be it CBD oil or THC.I am in support of medicinal uses of
alcohol.Recreational use of both is already here and around the world.
Alcohol is “legal”, marijuana is not.For thousands of years
the plant has been growing. Much like peyote or poppy plants we should know what
the effects are. However, like any “medicine”, it will affect people
differently. If it comes to the ballot, then vote at the polls as well as in the
comment section of social media.

John WilsonIdaho Falls, 00

Aug. 27, 2018 5:45 p.m.

I have rental properties in Utah. I don't rent to smokers. I don't
want to be forced into renting to people who smoke marijuana. The impact to my
property would be the same whether it is cigarette smoke or marijuana smoke.

JustGordonSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 5:25 p.m.

Doctors don’t prescribe mariajuana so the premise of the
opposition’s solution is totally bogus.

mightymite, 00

Aug. 27, 2018 5:01 p.m.

I think the church already got the message out and violated something with the
message. This will be interesting....

bassoonladyOREM, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 4:56 p.m.

Antodov,As a landlord I am minding my own business. My landlording
business. I just spent two months scrubbing walls again and again because a
tenant had smoked inside and I didn't have the extra money to pay someone
else to remediate it. Even painting over it doesn't kill the smell and the
health hazard unless you can clean most of it out first. That represents a
serious amount of lost income, not to mention the new paint and having to
replace 3 yr old carpet. That security deposit you mention would have to be to
the tune of several thousand dollars, and you can bet it would be considered
discriminatory since it effects only one group.

I don't like the
idea of anyone telling me I can't vet tenants based on their likelihood of
causing damage to my property. Even if it was for medical use, I will still
have to remediate a property in which pot was smoked because it could pose a
health hazard to the next tenants. One man's medicine is another man's
poison. I should be able to vet tenants based on this.

Thomas
Jefferson, I will stop letting other people dictate my life and destroy
my property rights with a proposition they haven't even read. I'm
voting no.

SunDevilCoogWest Jordan, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 4:53 p.m.

I lived in Las Vegas when the medical marijuana initiative went through Nevada
and paid close attention when it went through Colorado (I have family that live
there).

This proposition is NOT about medical treatment. It
wasn't in Nevada or Colorado, and while it's disguised really well, it
isn't about medical treatment in Utah. Research is ongoing but there is
science that shows the medicinal use of cannabidiol (CBD), one of the extracts
of marijuana, and many states allows CBD as long as it is low in
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the part that creates the high.

The
initiative, Prop #2, isn't about making CBD available and limiting THC,
like many other states do, it is about allowing the whole plant. At a time when
we have the over-prescribing and addiction to prescription pain pills (opiods),
the last thing we need is another narcotic that's weakly tied to the
medical industry.

antodavTampa, FL

Aug. 27, 2018 4:28 p.m.

I’m sorry but the rationale for this lawsuit is truly ridiculous.
Marijuana *prohibition* violates private property rights and religious freedom
far more than this legislation does (are there no Rastafarians in Utah)? And
also, if a landlord finds it “repugnant” for a tenant to use a
natural herb as a pain remedy for cancer or some other ailment, frankly,
that’s his or her problem. It’s called minding your own business.
Charge a security deposit for the smell and leave the person alone.

bemorefairVillanueva, NM

Aug. 27, 2018 3:57 p.m.

Does Prop2 open the door for recreational use down the road? That's what
most people want to know.

The UTAH MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (i.e., not
the LDS Church) said in a statement:

"This initiative is not
about medicine. Supporters have used images and stories of suffering patients to
disguise their true aim, opening another market for their products and paving
the way for recreational use of cannabis in Utah.”

Pretty
simple to draw your own conclusion after becoming even marginally educated on
the subject.

windsorLogan, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 3:48 p.m.

Wow. Commentors here seem to think this is so discrimatory.

But
in just the last week I have been on 2 airlines where you could not smoke, a
wedding venue and a beach where alcohol was not allowed, 2 government buildings
where both smoking and guns were not allowed, and a hotel we're pets
we're not allowed.

If these get to say no to all those, why do
the commentors here think it so odd or offensive that landlords filing this
lawsuit don't want marijuana used in their rentals??

Just
disingenuous to be so furious about this when the other things are common and
accepted, without them being called 'discrimination'.

windsorLogan, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 3:47 p.m.

Wow. Commentors here seem to think this is so discrimatory.

But
in just the last week I have been on 2 airlines where you could not smoke, a
wedding venue and a beach where alcohol was not allowed, 2 government buildings
where both smoking and guns were not allowed, and a hotel we're pets
we're not allowed.

If these get to say no to all those, why do
the commentors here think it so odd or offensive that landlords filing this
lawsuit don't want marijuana used in their rentals??

Just
disingenuous to be so furious about this when the others are common and
accepted, with them being called ' discrimatory'.

NoNamesAcceptedSt. George, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 3:04 p.m.

Regardless of any religious beliefs, no landlord should ever have to permit
smoking in his units or even on his property. Pot has a worse odor than even
tobacco.

I favor true, medical use of marijuana. I recognize there
are some patients for whom smoking is the best way to get the medical benefits.
But we cannot entirely ignore landlord property rights, nor the rights of other
tenants in the complex. We've spent decades protecting against unwanted 2nd
hand smoke. Rolling back to 1950 for pot smoking is a terrible idea.

This is one of several areas where Prop 2 goes too far.

Yes to
medical marijuana.

No on Prop 2.

Frozen FractalsSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 2:46 p.m.

[Latter-day Saints and members of all religions have "the right not to
consort with, be around or do business with people engaging in activities which
their religion finds repugnant, and to refuse to lease their property to people
engaging in activities which they deeply oppose," the initial lawsuit
said.]

I could find an "apartment managers wouldn't be able
to prohibit smoking marijuana in the apartment" argument very convincing. I
sure wouldn't want that disgusting smell permeating through the place I
live at. Of course, there's other ways to get medical marijuana instead of
just smoking so it depends on the particulars of it so it's not like
it'd totally prohibit it for a landlord to ban smoking of it.

I know this is not about marijuana, but, did you not
notice the supreme court overturned the lower courts on the travel ban.

Vote no on prop 2.

strom thurmondtaylorsville, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:52 p.m.

Imagine my shock that someone somehow made this about Donald Trump

Does medical marijuana treat Trump Derangement Syndrome?

If yes, I
may have to vote for prop2

PHJN25Springville, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:48 p.m.

I'm voting against the legalization of "medical marijuana."

And, certainly, if I owned rental property in Utah I would not wish to
rent that property to anyone who uses non-prescription drugs for any reason.

I am highly skeptical about claims made favoring medical uses for and
the legalization of marijuana.

Years before I met my late wife in
1994, she used marijuana. I didn't know until May 2010 that she had used
other drugs as well (which she had used after having begun drug use with
marijuana).

In October 2010, my late wife passed away from Hepatitis
C induced liver failure. She had not used drugs at all in the fifteen years we
lived together. (She had raised the subject of our smoking marijuana after she
had moved in with me. I gave her two choices: "Either flush that
`stuff' down the toilet immediately, or get the `heck' out of this
apartment tonight." There was no other choice.)

I have
absolutely no toleration for drug use. The legalization of drugs will lead to
many other problems in our society.

Having lived in Utah for two
years (1964-1966), and having moved back in August 2011, I'm shocked to see
how widespread drug use has become in Utah.

shamrockSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:41 p.m.

This amended lawsuit reminds me of Trump's controversial travel
restrictions, which he claimed were in no way aimed at Muslims, oh heavens no
... even though during the campaign he repeatedly targeted Muslims who wanted to
come to the U.S. Fortunately, the federal judges were smart enough to spot
Trump's charade.

strom thurmondtaylorsville, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:34 p.m.

Reefer Madness. Nothing more, nothing less.

sgallenSalt Lake City, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:25 p.m.

To me, this further points to the need to have compassion on our fellow man.
Just because you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean you should
treat them worse.

aeadamsWest Jordan, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:17 p.m.

"Latter-day Saints and members of all religions have "the right not to
consort with, be around or do business with people engaging in activities which
their religion finds repugnant, and to refuse to lease their property to people
engaging in activities which they deeply oppose," the initial lawsuit
said"

I don't see how any court could uphold that language
because it sounds like you could discriminate against all sorts of people
because you don't agree with their lifestyle choices.

Impartial7DRAPER, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:16 p.m.

Right. "the" church didn't want to jeopardize their tax exempt
status. But, their message to their flock has been sent. Loud and clear.

RubydoProvo, UT

Aug. 27, 2018 1:10 p.m.

Removing the religious references to this initiative isn’t going to change
the optics that the opposition to medical marijuana is based on religious
motivation and nothing else.