Stringbean wrote:Does anybody know if it's true that the QOLF and the PD both use a Firebird bottom?

It is quite true, both use the FB wing with different tops, along with some asserted tweaks to the process. Not quite as simple as just picking a top and a bottom, there are other things they've fiddled with as well, at least on the PD (heard directly from Jussi in the parking lot of a DG course).

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Stringbean wrote:Does anybody know if it's true that the QOLF and the PD both use a Firebird bottom?

It is quite true, both use the FB wing with different tops, along with some asserted tweaks to the process. Not quite as simple as just picking a top and a bottom, there are other things they've fiddled with as well, at least on the PD (heard directly from Jussi in the parking lot of a DG course).

Have you thrown both the QOLF and C-PD? And if so, how do they compare? My guess would be they're nearly interchangeable. FWIW, I've thrown many QOLF's but not the C-PD.

Thanks for the info! The QOLF's I've thrown are 1.2's and 1.3's. The 1.3's are sparkles, which are faster and have slightly less glide. But you can throw them full power on a rope, with only a late hook at the end. I don't know what makes the sparkles faster, because they look identical(nose, minimal dome), but those babies get out there real fast and are sneaky long if you get enough air under them.

I have thrown a single QOLF and a couple dozen C-PDs, from pretty much all runs. Unfortunately I can't really comment on QOLF thing because the one I have is a flippy milky white one. Very noticeable turn right from the start and no real resistance to wind. My gummy P-PDs have been more overstable.

Parks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.

Your milky white QOLF sounds like a 1.1, which are known to be less stable than all later runs of the QOLF. The 1.2's and sparkle 1.3's I have will not flip over into a headwind, even a strong one...assuming the correct release.

BentElbow11 wrote:Your milky white QOLF sounds like a 1.1, which are known to be less stable than all later runs of the QOLF. The 1.2's and sparkle 1.3's I have will not flip over into a headwind, even a strong one...assuming the correct release.

QOLF is a great disc. I have yet to try a PD, mainly because I wouldn't bother with their P-line version, and I don't like S-line/Star plastic. That leaves the C-PD, and I don't see the need since I like my QOLF's and champ Orcs just fine.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.