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Friday, October 22, 2010

More Antics of "Mommie Dearest"

When we last left Sandra Lamb, she was prevailing upon the principal of Chickamauga Elementary School to place letters of reprimand in the folders of teachers who had the audacity to testify in favor of Tonya Craft at her trial.

(Yes, these are private letters, but their being put in the folder of teachers by the principal is tantamount to an official reprimand. I can guarantee you that this is legally actionable. Interestingly, no one from the local Georgia Association of Educators affiliate stood up for the teachers. One wonders just why these teachers bother to pay dues if their union sells them out.)

Well, it seems that Lamb has outdone herself, which is a mighty big feat, given what we know about Mommie Dearest. No, she has not gone into professional wrestling or challenged Tonya Harding to a fight, although we already know that Lamb is a tiger when it comes to her fists.

Instead, she is known to carry around a picture of, get this, her daughter's vagina (which was used as "evidence" during Tonya Craft's trial). Furthermore, she shows it to people as "proof" that Tonya molested her child. I'm not kidding.

Given that she has run of the prosecutors' offices in Catoosa County (during the trial, Lamb and Sherry Wilson spent several hours a week in those offices), Lamb does not have to worry about being charged with possession of child pornography. Nonetheless, the idea of a woman carrying a picture of her daughter's vagina -- and waving it in front of other people -- is sick, just sick.

As we said many times during the trial and its aftermath, you just cannot make up this stuff.

37 comments:

Parents possessing pics of their kids in the bathtub are considered child pornographers but Sandra Lamb can carry around a photo of her kid's nether regions to whip out and present proof of supposed molestation any time she wants. Real conversation starter there. Personally, I'd run in the other direction as fast as I could.

I'd hate to see the issues her kid will have as an adult. Child actors have problems to start with but this will really make that kid scary. Too bad she isn't under the same rules as the rest of us. SL needs a reality check - about what jail and the threat of prison is like. She won't be laughing then.

Clearly the fact that Sandra Lamb is still walking about as a "free" (to the extent that this adjective applies anywhere in Amerika) woman tells us that she is not the only sicko out there. Obviously the entire governing apparatus of Catoosa County and the LMJC shares that distinction by letting her behave as she does. Lamb is only one of the more obvious manifestations of it. The entire region is one big open-air asylum.

Another corrupt prosecutor...this time the brother of Kentucky Attorney General Jack Conway the opponent of Rand Paul for Senate. Matt Conway was accused of narcotics use and trafficking and looks like the police tipped him off to a raid of his home and his brother got involved as well. Of course he is still working for the state.

A good friend from my days as a cadet in Civil Air Patrol left this comment to an article I posted on facebook the other day:

"Everyone knows about how those few bad eggs can spoil the bunch...it really is remarkable though that even those not directly involved who know about it, allow it to go on. I saw how a couple bad Marines can ruin in one day, years of our sweat blood and tears. We see this in everyday life too...I will not lie, steal, or cheat NOR TOLERATE THOSE WHO DO. Unfortunately this is a forgotten concept in many places."

The Civil Air Patrol's Cadet Honor Code states: "I will not lie, cheat, nor steal, and I will not tolerate anyone among us who does." This honor code, or ANY honor code for that matter, does not seem to exist among LMJC. Instead, it appears that the code is, "I will not lie, steal, nor cheat, but if I know someone else who does, I am exempt from the preceeding clause in order to protect the aforementioned person."

Has anyone seen this blog?http://harfordmedlegal.typepad.com/forensics_talk/

It is run by a medical professional, and provides the most damning evidence that LMJC is using not only questionable but downright neglegent practices, such as using Suzie Thorne for ANYTHING. I especially like the one, "But, it seems to me, that what happened in this particular case goes way beyond just making a few innocent mistakes. While I'm not really into jumping on the conspiracy theory bandwagon . . . I can't help but question the competency on several levels." It goes on to say, "Why would any good employer risk either further traumatizing young children, who truly may have been sexually abused, or permanently harming an innocent person's reputation, not to mention possibly eradicating their freedom? And as to the truly guilty, who would want to risk having the convictions being overturned on appeal because their staff didn't follow accepted guidelines and protocols?"

The person who wrote this had far and away more medical credentials than Thorne, but does not consider themself qualified for the position Thorne held, because, "the majority of CAC current job openings I saw required a minimum of a Master's degree and that the applicant must be a licensed social worker with anywhere from 2-8 years experience." Only a few required as little as a BS degree, an NONE required less than a BS degree. Thorne's being in that position at CAC, therefore is FAR out of keeping with the standard practices of CAC's in the rest of the country. Her being called an "expert" witness for sexual abuse cases would be like me being called as an "expert" witness in a war crimes trial, because I watched Hotel Rwanda and Judgement at Nurenburg. It is very much right that Ms. Craft sues those people at the CAC. Outhouse and the rest in that attempted kangaroo court should bend over and kiss every kiester on SCOTUS who sided with the majority in upholding absolute immunity for them. Otherwise, their kiesters would be slapped with lawsuits too. Their misdeeds need to be published, shouted from the top of Lookout Mountain.

To answer Ms. Eckelt's question, I would say there are two reasons they the LMJC is willing to risk overturning:

1. The person still has gone to prison and must face all sorts of hardships even after being released;

2. They really believe that the courts always will cover for them as they have done in the past;

3. They are working with "other people's money."

Don't forget that people like Arnt and Gregor use tax dollars confiscated from others in order to feather their own nests. All gains in a case like this go to the prosecutors while the taxpayers are stuck with the bill.

If SL is showing photos that prove her daughter was molested, why isn't she trying to find out who the molester is since we all know that Tonya was found not guilty. She should be very careful, she may find the molester is someone she never expected!

I have this suspicion: if, and that is a big IF, R Lamb was indeed molested, it was by a same sex, older person, probably mid-to-late teenager. The girl-on-girl sexual touching that Lamb was involved in, particularly of the two other accusers, both younger, shows this is possible. It is, of course, also possible that she was never molested, and that she is the sole abuser, and that any sexual trauma was self-inflicted, and that she could potentially grow up to become a sexual abuser. This is pure speculation, based upon the experience I have researching past cases. Of course, past experiences with something doesn't necessarily predict future behavior. If that were the case, the weather man would never be wrong. We still don't really 100% know exactly why the girls were touching each other. The issue never explored by all the "expert" interviwerers was WHY they played the boyfriend-girlfriend game, and WHICH girl started it. And, it's probably too late to figure it out now, as we are now about 3 years removed from the incidents, and the "experts" have screwed up the minds of these little girls. Again, if anyone molested these girls, it was the interviwerers and parents who put these memories of horrible molestation events into their minds. Whatever actual touching was done by an older person, teen or adult, it wasn't traumatic enough to produce clearly-present signs of abuse, so whatever that person did, the physical pain they caused the child(ren) in that event is overshadowed in these children's memories by the emotional pain these implanted memories produced.

I suspect that picture is not actually really her daughter at all. SL is not that low nor stupid.Arnt probably helped her to get that picture to help with her shame.I want to kinw the latest on Eric E's court date? Is it gonna happen?

I hope you are misinformed on this one - really I do. That is awful if indeed true.

@Lame - sometimes kids engage in this kind of behavior because... they are normal. It is in fact normal to be curious about yourself and others. It's even normal to act out on those curiosities even at a very young age, and then deny it or blame someon else when you are caught. Yes, it is normal for children to lie as well. You should expect that as a parent - you lied to your parents to get out of trouble, and your children, even very young ones, will lie to you. What is strange to me is the way some people react when they find out that in fact thier child is normal. They want to blame someone for teaching thier child or doing it to thier child, when really all of the teaching needed was on tv, talked about between friends and in the conversations our children over-hear mixed with natural curiosity. The most likely explanation is there was no older person involved in abusing these girls... just the children who lied trying to shift blame -as children do after being caught doing something that clearly very much upset thier parents. They molded thier stories to what they thought the parents would want to hear after having been caught. This is not to minimize children who are actually abused - but in this case, I think it has been fairly pointed out, there was no actual abuse that took place as described.

just because Tonya Craft was found innocent does NOT mean that she didnt molest these little girls. young kids dont make that kind of stuff up. maybe all of the people on here, her "cronies" need a reality check yourself. what if it were your child who had been molested? you wouldnt be posting these ruthless comment on here then would you? i hardly believe so. its sad that all you people have to do with your lives is look at this web site to see what the latest gossip is. find something better to do with your lives than sit and stare at the computer all day. o.j. was found innocent at first as well wasnt he, but where is he now? once a child molester always a child molester.

Once a child molester always a child molester, yes, I agree. In fact, I think we ALL agree. Thing is, Tonya Craft is NOT a child molester. The evidence proved she didn't do it. That's the sad thing, they brought to trial a case where the evidence pointed more towards her innocense than her guilt. It wasn't a case of reasonable doubt. The juror even said that. In OJ's case it was entirely resonable doubt. In this case it was unreasonable prosecution.

You call us cronies, I put it to you that YOU are the crony here, to Sandra Lamb. You go find a doctor of any sort who is willing to stake their reputation after viewing the photos of the exams that these girls were molested. You go find an expert on child psychology who will stake their reputation that the questions and procedures used in interviewing these children were proper.

You, Ms. Boyd, as I suspect that is who you are, considering your continued use of "children don't make this stuff up," are still operating under the delusion that children never lie. However, in the past month there have been several high-profile cases in the news around the nation where children have claimed they were raped and later recanted, and in each case it was to avoid getting into trouble themselves--shades of "Ms Tonya touched me." People like you keep saying, "children never lie about this stuff," and yet in the past 10 years, according to a recent study conducted in England, more than 50% of all cases of alleged sexual abuse, either no evidence was found to substantiate the allegation or the child admitted to have fabricated the charge. Wake up, Ms Boyd. You keep flapping your gums and flicking your fingers, on television and on the internet, making a complete fool of yourself, pretending to be informed when you in actuality have no idea.

Yep, we have the usual trolls claiming that a charge is always correct. (If the spelling were not so bad, I would think it was Wendy Murphy.)

Actually, the kids DID make it up. They did not come to the adults; the adults came to them and pretty much demanded they say certain things.

Anyone who reads the transcripts of the interviews can see not only the improper interviewing techniques, but also the way that interviewers put things into the mouths of the children. Suzi Thorne's interview with Tonya's daughter was classic "Who's On First" in which she browbeat the child.

But, the LMJC is full of liars. Don't forget that I taught school in Walker County and kids made up things all the time. The lies that children told on a daily basis showed me that this "children don't lie" stuff is a bunch of crap.

And I am sick of this O.J. crap. What this person is saying is that because O.J. was found not guilty, therefore everyone charged with a crime who is acquitted really is guilty. It is a non sequitur, but what else can we expect from the LMJC, where lies are said to be truth and the truth lies.

Now, I do have my doubts that Miriam Boyd is the poster, as I would think she knows a few rules of grammar. Who knows?

I can't believe anyone could think much less say. Kid's don't lie Did you lie when you was a kid of course you did. But the sad thing is in this case the Adult's are the ones lying and have their Kids to lie. They can put a innocent person in Prison for yrs. And not lose a minute of sleep. Its is scary it could be you next....

@5:39 You have to live in a fantasy land to ignore the fact that kids make this stuff up all the time. If that were the case, then let's not have a trial. Since kids dont lie, lets just make it an accusation based process. If a kid lies, then the accused molester just goes to jail. Your childish, thoughtless sound byte just reveals that you have little if any cognitive skills. You can hold on to the illusion that kids don't lie all you want. Maybe it makes you feel better, but it is a lie of the rankest sort. You seem comfortable consorting with lies, I have no doubt you have no problem consorting with liars as well. Welcome to culture shock, we tell the truth here.

Thus, even lacking any physical evidence, or direct motive evidence (such as CP) if they are able to build a picture through a person's own statements and actions and clearly demonstrate opportunity, the victim's testimonty becomes less relevant to establishing guilt. For instance, look at the recent case of Leslie Klemansky. She is a softball coach in Texas who last week was sentenced for having seduced and had sex with a 15 year old girl she met in Oklahoma. Sure, the victim testified, but what the jury asked to review during deliberation were phone records and other statements establishing that she had spoken to and sent sexually-themed text messages to the girl (motive). The defense tried to argue that the girl was obsessed with her, and that Klemansky broke off the friendship when the girl became sexually interested in her. However, the text messages clearly showed that Klemansky had sent the messages to the girl asking for sex, and thus, her motive as wanting to have sex with the girl was clearly established. When the girl spend a week with Klemansky, they did not even need to establish 100% what they did in order for the jury to, without a reasonable doubt, believe that Klemansky, with the motive, given opportunity, had sex with the girl. Therefore, this whole idea that a sex crime can be gotten away with MERELY by claiming it was implanted memory is outrageous. I can claim "false memory" until I'm blue in the face, but if they have clear motive and evidence, no jury will believe me--even if I didn't do it. Don't think that's the case, take a look at those cases where the children were claiming things like being taken into outer space and flying around the room on brooms, and yet the defendants were still convicted. Motive isn't necessary, but it's pretty powerful stuff in front of a jury.

The far more pressing issue, therefore, isn't "How can we keep people from claiming the memories are false?" Rather, the issue is, "How do we investigate sex crimes in a way to prevent implanted memories?"

Anyone who thinks false memory is a sham, look at the case in North Carolina where a man spent half his life in jail because police conducted the investigation in such a way that allowed the victim to develop false memory. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/06/60minutes/main4848039.shtml

the fact of the matter is, you people have nothing better to do than sit on the internet and talk about/read about all the gossip going on in certain communities on this website. anon @ 5:39, i agree with you to an extent. yes, kids do lie, i agree with that however it is rare, if ever, that they could come up with something such as this at the age they are at. i do not believe parental influence had anything to do with this. as to the mcmartin case, i am sick of hearing about that. yes, maybe people do get accused of things they didnt do and get punished for it but at the same time people who are actually guilty are found innocent. i do not know TC or SL but this sounds to me like TC got lucky this time.

If people who read and post on this board have "nothing better to do," than by inclusion, you are stating that you are just as big a loser as all the rest of us. DERP!

"If ever?" How about the case just this week where a 7 year old girl first told her family that she was raped, and they took her to the hospital, did a rape kit, and had the police interviw her? Turns out she made the whole thing up. If ever? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/howard/bs-md-ho-girl-recants-20101021,0,5330339.story

You're the sad one, because you're in denial of such a major problem in this country, that people can have and are having their lives ruined because a child tells a lie. You ask, "What if it was your child who was raped?" That's not the issue. We have already dealt with, we are all absolutely outraged that children are abused, condemn those who abuse, and call for just punnishments for those who commit crimes against children and moved on from that issue. The issue is, "What if it was YOU who was falsly accused of raping a child?"

There was a very famous case of mass child abuse/molestations hysteria that was almost as famous as the McMartin case.

This was the Little Rascals Day Care case of the late 1980's in North Carolina. The mass hysteria got so out of hand that eventually parents and those in authority coerced over 90 children to accuse 20 other adults, including the mayor and the sheriff, with 429 instances of child sexual abuse.

Years later I read an article where an extensive follow-up study was done by a renowned, national child abuse organization. Sorry, the name of the organization escapes me at the moment.

Anyway, the Little Rascals children who were coerced and forced to be interrogated were compared mental healthwise to their fellow students who's parents would not allow their children to get involved with the interrogations/accusations. It was found that there was an astounding difference mental health wise between the two groups.

Virtually every one of the 90+ kids who were forced to lie suffered from some sort of long-term, mental health issues compared to those kids who were not forced to get involved in the hysteria.

I forget how long after the study was done but it took certain parts of the case itself almost ten years to wrap up.

Parental influence had nothing to do with this? With Sandra Lamb literally coaching her daughter? Give me a break!

The Little Rascals case was an utter hoax and the prosecutor most involved, Nancy Lamb (no relation to Mommie Dearest), still practices in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. (She was brought in as a special prosecutor.)

I wrote a letter in the late 1990s to Betsy Kelly, one of the accused, and received a nice reply. The attorney for Dawn Wilson, another defendant, was the late Kirk Osborn, who also represented Reade Seligmann in the Duke Lacrosse Case.

Osborn told me that after Wilson's conviction was overturned, Nancy Lamb came to his office to meet with Kirk and his client. He said that Lamb "was dressed to the nines" and demanded that Wilson plead out to something. Wilson, who had turned down a plea offer before the first kangaroo trial began that would have kept her from prison but would have made her turn state's evidence -- evidence that did not exist -- told Lamb there was no way she would plead to anything.

Kirk said that right before his eyes, Lamb turned into "the wicked witch of the West" and stomped off. She ultimately was forced to drop all charges.

It was the Little Rascals case that opened my eyes to what prosecutors do in these situations, how they lie, twist evidence, and coerce children. Lamb was the darling of the press when, in fact, she should have been excoriated for lying.

I do find it very very interesting that the troll complains about McMartin, yet tells us that the O.J. Simpson verdict is "proof" that Tonya Craft is guilty. At the same time, however, this person claims that the McMartin case is irrelevant, even though we see many of the same interviewing techniques used in that case used by the CAC, and especially with Suzi Thorne, Holly Kittle, and others.

@ the trolls, you just don't read or listen to anything. Don't take our words for it, listen to what the children had to say, "My mommy told me." And that's just the start. One kid said that she was "fisted" an act that either a) would nearly be impossible, b) would definitely be impossible to forget, and c) would leave massive injuries and cause massive bleeding. Now, where did THAT testimony come from? It was either coached by the parent or it was made up on the spot because of over-reaching interview technique.

Troll(s) you are part of the problem. Real criminals go free because of you.

Wow, thank you 2 trolls (which I believe is the same person trying to recant in the 2nd post), for telling us we have no lives & all we do is sit at the computer waiting for gossip. Hmmmm, I have a family who would whole-heartedly disagree. I spend about an hour and a half on the computer a day. I read Dr. Anderson's blog & the AJC articles on UGA football. I look up scores & may read a couple of emails that I don't read on my blackberry. So your assumption of us & Tonya (lucky my ass) leads me to assume that you are a child molester who has gotten away with it. It also leads me to the assumption that you are SL or SW. You see, assumptions are funny things. If you can assume, so can I. I assume you're the devil. I also assume you're uneducated (if you proofread your post & still think it sounds educated, Lord help us all).

Now I agree with "Lame". If we are losers with nothing else to do, then what the hell are you doing right now? I guess you can join us in the loser melting pot. Welcome & enjoy the ride.

By the way, Tonya IS innocent. She fought for her life & rightfully so. She has shown more class than any of your "cronies". The saddest part is she had to prove something that wasn't true. She had to fight against people such as you to keep her freedom. Read the interviews with the children & show me where the children said anything remotely close as to Tonya molesting them. The most sickening was what they did to Tonya's daughter. I don't mean to be ugly, but as far as Lamb & McDonald go, they made their bed with their children, but what was done to Tonya's daughter is criminal. Oh & the crime was done by the people in "authority", not Tonya.

So please, take your mindless, unsubstantiated crap to the "beauty parlor" in Chickamauga & continue to support someone who carries around a picture of her child's private areas. You are one sick & twisted individual. It's so sad that there are several of you, but thank God in heaven there are more of us who see things in reality. I can't even imagine what the Lamb child will grow up to do or be because of her mother. Hopefully, she will have a greater mind than you & see what her mother did to her & kick her out of her life. Sad part, she probably won't, but I'm going to keep on praying that her mind & heart get right with God & she has the strength to do it.

And to think that all I thought Sandra Lamb did was sit around Chilis and other establishments and drink like a fish while trying to pick up young men. Instead she sits around drinking and show pics of her daughters coochie to everyone passing by in a drunken stupor.

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I teach economics at Frostburg State University in Frostburg, Maryland. We are located on the Allegheny Plateau, and we have cool summers and tough winters.
I am the father of five children, four of them adopted from overseas, and the husband of a beautiful wife. I have two grandchildren. My family and I are members of Faith Presbyterian Church (PCA).