Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Recently emailed to us by a recovering (i.e. former) Muslim, to highlight some egregious errors from a document all Muslims claim to be a 'miracle'. Too bad the 'miracle' didn't come with fact checking and copy editing.

The following Quranic ayats are taken mostly from the Quran translation of Maulana A. Yousuf Ali and Maulana Muhiuddin Khan:

How many days did it take to create the Heavens and the Earth?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah (God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days?

Quran-41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS...

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

Creation of the Heavens and the Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven? Does modern science tell us that? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!

Which one is correct?

Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion...

OR

Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush...

Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads...

Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Can you please post what is stated about creation as per Bible? There are views that Bible is full of mistakes that is exposed by Muslim leaders like Zakir Husain of India.Bible says earth is flat. I find all abrahamic faiths are as unscientific Only the Hindu Philosophy is accepted in Science.See Hindu Vedanta and Quantum Physics.Bible and Quran both contain false statements and call for violence against non believers.How do you reflect on this

Islam is as unscientifc as Bible and both are abrahamic religeons.Both call for violence and punishment for non believers.Christian movement witnessed genocides and wiping out civilisations.History of Islam is 500 years of blood shed on the pacific coast.Can we throw stones sitting in glass house.How do you rate the revelations in Bible as about creation.After all bible said earth is Flat?

Quran-7:54: Your guardian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-10:3: Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran- 11:7: He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that Allah (God) created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below state

Quran-41:9 : Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days?

Quran-41:10: He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS...

Quran-41:12: So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and …

They were created in 6 days of course.He created the earth, and set mountains and blessings in 4 days. 2 days for creation and 2 days for mountains and blessings.

"You can see similar mistakes in the verses: Quran-4:11, 4:12, and 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parts adds up more than the available property, i.e., the totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come? A gross mathematical error, is it not?"

Wrong. In verses 4:11-12 and 4:176 parents and spouses do not inherit if there is more than one child. Therefore no mistakes.

"Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran-22:47: A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousand years of your reckoning

Quran-70:4: The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is fifty thousand years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?"

It is equal to 1000 years. Verse 70:4 does not say that the day mentioned is a day of God at all. It just means a period of time.

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heavens were created first.

Quran-2:29: It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heavens and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

Quran- 79:27-30: Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, and after that, God created Heaven? Does modern science tell us that? Or that there are SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing as a firmament or any roof over us, it is only space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of a ROOF over us which is called the SKY! How funny!"

Heavens were created first. Verse 2:29 does not say the Heavens were created after the earth. They were already there but God made them into 7 skies (universes). It does not say firmaments or roof at all. Only skies which means universes.

Verse 79:30 does not say that God "flattened" or spread the earth. It is talking about land/ground here, not earth as a whole.

"Which one is correct?

Quran-2:256: There is no Compulsion in religion...

OR

Quran-9:29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility.

Quran-9:5: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush...

Quran-47:4: When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads...

Quran-2:191: And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, the death penalty."

There is no compulsion in Islam, and there is no punishment for apostasy. Verse after verse the Holy Quran enforces freedom of religion and expression. The death penalty for apostasy is not in the Quran but in the Bible.The rest of the verses that you quoted do not speak about apostates at all. They are defensive verses against aggressive enemies.

The poor knowledge of the sender of this "article" shows that he probably was never a Muslim.

The Bible is indeed full of contradictions and scientific, historical and geographical errors. not only does it clearly say that the earth is flat, but it also says that the age of the earth is only 6000 years old!!The victims of Christianity are by far more than the victims of all the other religions combined. Sadly I was one of them.

my appeal to all is that we should have the wisdom to love each other and stop any kinda hate.We are born into different religeon but not at our choice.If we believe that God created us all, then we are all brothers.Hence whichver religeous text contains such violence and intolerance,that should be shunted by us.Fact is that the theory of creation apart fromthe inherent contradictions in Quran, the very concept of creation is not found to be correct.Bible said earth is flat! Can any one today himself believe that? Let us condemn suicidal preachings and violence wherever we see it and not condemn each other

"my appeal to all is that we should have the wisdom to love each other and stop any kinda hate.We are born into different religeon but not at our choice.If we believe that God created us all, then we are all brothers."

Please tell that to the hateful, racist and bigoted authors of this blog.

"Hence whichver religeous text contains such violence and intolerance,that should be shunted by us."

True. These people only depend on terrorist actions by some misguided "Muslims" or a twisted and wrong interpretation of Quranic verses.

"Fact is that the theory of creation apart fromthe inherent contradictions in Quran,"

There are not contradiction in the Quran.

"the very concept of creation is not found to be correct"

What do you mean by "the very concept of creation"?

"Bible said earth is flat! Can any one today himself believe that? Let us condemn suicidal preachings and violence wherever we see it and not condemn each other"

Very true. The Bible is fallacious to its core. It contaisn many scientific and historical errors, and many moral atrocities.

That Citizen Warrior is yet another right wing supremacist Christian. Muslims have the right to defend their religion against popular myths and lies. If he restricted his racism and hate to "Muslim" terrorists, then his argument would have merit, but since his racism and hate are directed against Islam and all Muslims, then Muslims should stand to him and tell him that he is wrong.I am of course against anyone who commits evil in the name of my religion, but I believe my religion has nothing to do with it.I am also against evil people from all walks and faith of life, but you rarely hear about these in the media.Peace.

Thanks for your comment/reply Canadian. Agree with you there to a degree, however... I do not think that some of CW posts are that bad. A lot of things he has said in the posts I have linked are facts.

This is the view of a former student of comparative religion and someone whom studied/studies/researches broadly & deeply into religion/spirituality/philosophy, & has rad the Qu'ran from cover to cover - inc. many different interpretations of it.

Of course, I value all reasonable/logical/rational views, esp. those supported by good evidence, but some things do require a little speculation/geenralisations to a degree. If not, we would be stuck in out mediocrity/inaction/apathy.

See you around Canadian & do stop by my blog from time to time. This is a busy week for me and I will not be able to check out or reply to comments much.