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Astrology with Dawn BodrogiMon, 27 Jul 2015 19:53:54 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.3By: Larahttp://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/11/the-measurers-versus-the-metaphysicians/#comment-44423
Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:53:33 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-44423An amazing, amazing article. Thank you.
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Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:21:54 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18787Yes, feel free to repost with links and credit. Thanks.
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Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:27:28 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18639[…] is an article that appeared in The Mountain Astrologer in 2010 by professional astrologer Dawn Bodrogi. It is one of the most well thought out and intelligent pieces on astrology I have had the […]
]]>By: Wise & Geminiacalhttp://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/11/the-measurers-versus-the-metaphysicians/#comment-18638
Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:13:50 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18638This is one of the most well thought-out and intelligent pieces I have ever read on the subject. Okay to repost to my blog with links and credit?
]]>By: Chris Pecciahttp://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/11/the-measurers-versus-the-metaphysicians/#comment-18606
Sat, 26 Apr 2014 13:04:11 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18606Thank you very much.
Every comprehensive treatise is a great support to those of us evolving.
Best wishes.
]]>By: Carlos Duartehttp://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/11/the-measurers-versus-the-metaphysicians/#comment-18553
Fri, 25 Apr 2014 22:40:05 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18553This is a wonderful article and I think it expresses much of the feeling of being a professional astrologer nowadays. I felt relieved to know someone thinks the same way I do. Human experience is more, much more than technology and rationality, which are the present-day trendy paradigms. Thanks for putting in words what I’ve been feeling for decades.
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Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:53:17 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18550Thanks so much for this excellent piece.
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Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:12:51 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-18547Beautiful! I’ve never been able to describe the loneliness that you do so eloquently. So many thanks
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Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:45:56 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-16322Hi Dawn, This post, as well as the comments, have been so thought provoking, and I really appreciate the existence of this site as a place to begin to think and discuss issues like this. There’s nothing like it.

Yes, I have had my own experience with The Measurers! In fact, I was introduced to astrology by a measurer– a polite, left-brained south Indian who read logic for relaxation. He took up astrology in order to disprove it (I think he was embarrassed that his countrymen relied on it so heavily) and ended up becoming an amateur astrologer. I don’t know if in the process his worldview was shaken or shattered; if so, he never let on. I suspect it was for him another device for measuring, and the Universe was simply One Big Clock. He was a Saturnian kind of guy.

I wonder: do measurers know that they love? How do they know? This is not something that can be seen, or registered on a machine. And what would they say is the purpose of awe? Or despair for that matter?

The emptiness at the center of this worldview was made clear to me as a real-life astrology lesson. (This “lesson” also points to the issues in Dawn’s recent series on chiron/saturn and life past 50.) A few years ago, I was contacted by a college friend, a “Measurer Supreme.” Inventor, university professor, consultant to the computer animation houses– he’d had a super productive, brilliant career. We’d been out of touch for over a decade, but he decided to renew our friendship because he knew that I loved poetry. His best friend had died earlier that year, he explained, and he was overwhelmed by grief. For the first time in his life, he was craving poetry, he was craving story. (Oh, he was likely craving the wisdom in astrology as well, but as everyone here knows, you simply can’t tell a measurer this!) So I sent him poems and read the stories that, at age 55, he had begun to write.

I was reading Stephen Forrest’s book on transits just then and had finished his essay on Ernest Hemingway, how he committed suicide as transiting Mars hit his natal sun. I got an immediate clammy feeling about this and promptly looked up my friend’s chart. Transiting Mars was closing in on *his* natal sun.

I could never have shared with my friend that I had recently begun studying astrology, and even if I could, what in the world could I do with my concerns for his safety? We lived on separate coasts. I urged him to see his counselor, every day if possible, for the next couple weeks.

As chance would have it, I inadvertently included a link to an article on Pluto’s transits in an email message to him. He responded, “Surely you didn’t mean to send me *this.*”
The supercilious contempt was palpable even through the weariness and grief of the rest of his message. It was the last thing I got from him. Sure enough, as Mars passed his Leo Sun, he committed suicide.

Astrology proved itself to me in a harsh and devastating way that year, though it had already astonished me numerable times before, and I vowed from that point forward to tell the truth about the validity of this ancient art. My justification? Why, the scientific method, of course– which is, at its core, about the willingness to be curious about everything under the Sun, to ask questions and investigate, and most importantly, to have the courage to tell the truth about what we learn. The measurers surely can’t argue with that.

/Dawn, writing this brings up a number of questions, one of them: what do you do when you see something troubling, esp. *really* troubling, in someone’s chart? Surely this must be something that every professional astrologer comes to, sooner or later.

Shannon

ps: I thought folks would appreciate this TED talk by Rupert Sheldrake, which was actually banned after he gave it. Because, as anyone knows, when you encounter something that’s so disturbing to your worldview, you’ve got to run in the opposite direction as fast as you can:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg

]]>By: Indi Irihttp://theinnerwheel.com/2010/06/11/the-measurers-versus-the-metaphysicians/#comment-8303
Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:42:44 +0000http://alcuin9.wordpress.com/?p=599#comment-8303I read this article again today, and I just wanted to express that I love what you are saying in so many levels… congratulations on Your work, Dawn.
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