"About time we said that you lost the election and now you are not in control. If you even put forth any semblance of working together, it would be different.

I hope the Obama has been playing this one up his sleeve and we see a real overhaul of the broken system that only works for the Health Care Giants and the paid toadies.

Open Medicare for everyone interested. If you aren't 65, you pay a premium for your and or your family. It will force the Big Blues etc to stop gouging US and killing Americans who might lessen their profit.

Obama needs to show leadership on this issue.
He needs to clearly define to the American people what this plan will provide and what it does not. He also needs to account for the cost. Not just in tax dollars but in overall healthcare expenses for the American people. He must also stress what will happen to costs if we "stay the course"
Trying to include the Republicans in this process is useless. They have already indicated that they are unwilling to support any package. To include the provisions the republicans want and then have them vote no anyway is counterproductive.
Obama needs to hash out a compromise that is acceptable to the 60 Senate Dems and the House Dems and proceed without republican support

This is the congressional plan.
The congress is the one constructing it.
Its not Obama's plan.

Now dont you remember what happened when Hillary tried to solve the problem and then put forward HER plan?
She was tasked by the then president to construct a plan and she did. The country came down on her like a bag of hammers dropped from a plane.

This is why the right keeps trying to call this Obamacare. Its a plan being hashed out by the duly elected congress of the United States. It is not being constructed by Obama.

Now I agree with both of you that the Republcans have made it crystal clear that they will NOT vote for it no matter what is in it at the end. Its time to leave the obstructionists to their own devices and Construct a REAL plan that will work the best for the American people.

If other capitalistic countries can construct a plan that works to help keep their populace healthy and ready to produce in this global economy and compete I dont see why we cant.They are not better than us, smarter than us or more deserving than us now are they?

We can out do them and construct an even better system than these other countries have. Only the obstructionists think they are better than us and that we will fail where they have succedeed.

Obama needs to show leadership on this issue.
He needs to clearly define to the American people what this plan will provide and what it does not. He also needs to account for the cost. Not just in tax dollars but in overall healthcare expenses for the American people. He must also stress what will happen to costs if we "stay the course"
Trying to include the Republicans in this process is useless. They have already indicated that they are unwilling to support any package. To include the provisions the republicans want and then have them vote no anyway is counterproductive.
Obama needs to hash out a compromise that is acceptable to the 60 Senate Dems and the House Dems and proceed without republican support

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No. What he needs to do is to come up with a new plan that does not interfere with the free market system we now have. If there are indeed 47 million US citizens without health insurance coverage (and the number is more like 15 million), then let him propose a method of covering THOSE PEOPLE and leaving the rest of us alone.

Government run ANYTHING turns to shit after being touted as the cure-all solution to our woes. All his plan will bring us is health care that is pathetically inadequate, rationed, available only after approval of a committee of imperfect, biased officials after a lengthy review...while you stand in line...coughing and spitting up blood...or being eaten away by the cancer that will be inoperable by the time you get permission to be treated.

If you want to know what health care will be like under the Obama plan, just go visit any one of the several poorly run VA hospitals that we now operate with the usual government "efficiency". Hang around all day and watch what goes on. Be sure you visit all of the wards and not just those that have been primped up for public relations.

Obama needs to show leadership on this issue.
He needs to clearly define to the American people what this plan will provide and what it does not. He also needs to account for the cost. Not just in tax dollars but in overall healthcare expenses for the American people. He must also stress what will happen to costs if we "stay the course"
Trying to include the Republicans in this process is useless. They have already indicated that they are unwilling to support any package. To include the provisions the republicans want and then have them vote no anyway is counterproductive.
Obama needs to hash out a compromise that is acceptable to the 60 Senate Dems and the House Dems and proceed without republican support

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No. What he needs to do is to come up with a new plan that does not interfere with the free market system we now have. If there are indeed 47 million US citizens without health insurance coverage (and the number is more like 15 million), then let him propose a method of covering THOSE PEOPLE and leaving the rest of us alone.

Government run ANYTHING turns to shit after being touted as the cure-all solution to our woes. All his plan will bring us is health care that is pathetically inadequate, rationed, available only after approval of a committee of imperfect, biased officials after a lengthy review...while you stand in line...coughing and spitting up blood...or being eaten away by the cancer that will be inoperable by the time you get permission to be treated.

If you want to know what health care will be like under the Obama plan, just go visit any one of the several poorly run VA hospitals that we now operate with the usual government "efficiency". Hang around all day and watch what goes on. Be sure you visit all of the wards and not just those that have been primped up for public relations.

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Why is it so many other capitalist countries can run effective health care systems and you think the American government can not?

Obama needs to show leadership on this issue.
He needs to clearly define to the American people what this plan will provide and what it does not. He also needs to account for the cost. Not just in tax dollars but in overall healthcare expenses for the American people. He must also stress what will happen to costs if we "stay the course"
Trying to include the Republicans in this process is useless. They have already indicated that they are unwilling to support any package. To include the provisions the republicans want and then have them vote no anyway is counterproductive.
Obama needs to hash out a compromise that is acceptable to the 60 Senate Dems and the House Dems and proceed without republican support

Click to expand...

No. What he needs to do is to come up with a new plan that does not interfere with the free market system we now have. If there are indeed 47 million US citizens without health insurance coverage (and the number is more like 15 million), then let him propose a method of covering THOSE PEOPLE and leaving the rest of us alone.
Government run ANYTHING turns to shit after being touted as the cure-all solution to our woes. All his plan will bring us is health care that is pathetically inadequate, rationed, available only after approval of a committee of imperfect, biased officials after a lengthy review...while you stand in line...coughing and spitting up blood...or being eaten away by the cancer that will be inoperable by the time you get permission to be treated.

If you want to know what health care will be like under the Obama plan, just go visit any one of the several poorly run VA hospitals that we now operate with the usual government "efficiency". Hang around all day and watch what goes on. Be sure you visit all of the wards and not just those that have been primped up for public relations.

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Yes by all means leave it alone
- Continue to allow employers to cut hours and force employees to become contract labor so they don't have to provide healthcare
- Continue to allow insurance companies to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions
- Continue to allow people to lose coverage when they change jobs
- Continue to allow healthcare costs to escalate
- Continue to allow people to defer preventative and diagnostic procedures because they can't afford them
- Continue to allow insurers to charge exhorbitant rates to small business and self employed

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