Anti-abortion advocates argue that fetuses can feel pain at 20 weeks, but that claim isn’t supported by medical evidence. Reproductive rights
advocates worry that 20-week bans could be used as a vehicle to overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark case that protects a woman’s right to have an
abortion. Nearly 20 states have passed 20-week abortion bans.

The Kentucky legislature also passed a separate bill Saturday that requires a woman to have an ultrasound before she receives an abortion. Bevin is
also expected to sign that bill.

The ACLU and Planned P criticized how fast the these law moved through the legislator. There are the usual protest that come along with this type of
laws.

Both measures moved remarkably quickly through the Kentucky legislature, which opened its session on Tuesday. The laws contain emergency language that
will make them effective immediately once they are signed, the Lexington Herald Leader reported earlier this week.

The ACLU of Kentucky and Planned Parenthood have criticized how quickly the 20-week ban moved through the legislature. Demonstrators took to the state
capitol building in Frankfort this week to protest the bill.

well at least they read the law before they passed it unlike that unaffordable care act which had to be passed into law before anyone was allowed to
read it and before they would tell us what was in it.

I live in Kentucky and am pro-choice. I have no problem with the 20 week cut off point. In my former state of residence the cut off point was 12 weeks
and I feel that is ample time. As far as the ultrasound goes, I disagree with it as the women do not have to actually SEE the ultrasound- it is just
being required to make it financially harder (because they have to PAY for the ultrasound in addition to the cost of the abortion) to discourage women
from being able to afford it- which is horse crap!

I dont normally click on this kind of Moral Emotional Wedge Issue. The complete unwillingness to see each others side, and compromise, argh why
bother.

Curious though, when is the normal cutoff if any? And is this measure actually unreasonable? I mean, its obvious of obtuse religious right stuff like
even rape victims MUST keep it, is just insane. But there ought to be some kind of compromise (on well pretty much everything) that can make whatever
sides happy enough?

You would think that there would be some compromises. And on issues like timber production from federal land sure, gas tax yep.
But when it comes to ending a life people tend to stick to their guns. One side won't budge because they don't want restriction on killing a baby, and
the other wants restrictions on killing a baby.

Here is all Ill say on the matter.
1. I feel everyone should have the right to make their own choices
2. a baby is its own life, and thus deserves the same rights as anyone else
3. a womans body is her own
4. who decides when one supercedes the other?
5. I have friends who have a 24 week old child that was born premature and he is a happy vibrant child today
6. I do not have the facilities to decide for others, but some time after 3 mos or so, theres something living and viable in there
7. not my choice, but others, having raised a child within months of gestation I am rattled by aborting a child after 5 months, but I accept other
peoples freedom of choice.
8. I consider abortion aberrant after a few weeks, but I am not the arbiter of others understanding of personal freedom
9. I am torn apart on this idea as I feel for all parties
10. but where is the line drawn between peoples rights, at what age does one have these?..upon birth? what about briths that have been successful
after 6 months? we should not be so cavalier with our opinions regarding life.

Conclusion I support neither side, but recognize peoples inherent rights to freedom

The ultrasound is to confirm the size and age of the fetus before doing the procedure, not to make it "financially harder". The US is typically done
right there in the office by the physician. They own the instrument, so no additional cost is incurred, and in reputable clinics, it is not an option.

First, a confirmation qualitative Hcg is done. Then, an approximate date of conception is calculated on a gestation wheel, based on when the patient
had her last period. Then, an ultrasound is performed to confirm fetal age and size, to make sure the fetus is no older than 12 weeks, because after
that point, it is a second trimester termination and is a completely different procedure.

They also check for possible ectopic pregnancy, which is life-threatening and requires emergency surgery to terminate, in a hospital OR, under general
anesthesia. In addition, a second US is performed to make certain there are no products of conception remaining in the uterus, because that's an
excellent way to become septic and die. It's the same reason D&C has to be done fairly often after suffering a miscarriage.

Some clinics will charge additional fees if the patient wishes to be sedated for the procedure. Where I worked, however, it was not available. Our
physician felt that if a woman wishes to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, then she should do it wide awake, and aware...and I agree with that.
Abortion is excruciatingly painful for most women. It's not like going in for a surgery, going to sleep and waking up on soothing pain meds in a comfy
bed with a nurse standing by to take care of you. It's not meant to be a form of birth control.

If they didn't perform ultrasound before procedures, they'd be guessing at what they were going into. That is absolutely unethical, and no doctor who
cherishes his or her medical license would be stupid enough to take a chance like that. And really, who would be stupid enough to agree to let them do
it in the first place?

Anyone who allows someone to just go spelunking blindly into their uterus without making sure there are no unforeseen issues first is a complete and
utter idiot, and deserves anything that happens subsequently. Terminating a pregnancy is a surgical procedure, not closing a business deal. If you
want to haggle over prices, go buy a car.

The ultrasound is to confirm the size and age of the fetus before doing the procedure, not to make it "financially harder". The US is typically done
right there in the office by the physician. They own the instrument, so no additional cost is incurred, and in reputable clinics, it is not an option.

Vaginal ultrasounds are not medically necessary, according the American College of Gynecology and insurance won't cover it. That's why the procedure
is controversial. Ultrasounds are not free, just because a clinic owns the equipment, requiring them does run up the cost.

A 20 week ban on abortion violates Roe V Wade. Kentucky is like the 18th or 20th state to do this. It's only a matter of time until a case is
brought before the Supreme Court. I'm sure that's what legislatures are hoping for, and that public opinion and outrage over fetal pain and other
"wives tales" will sway the Judges and placate the public into giving in and chipping away at a woman's rights.

But, most likely, the case that will be brought before the Supreme Court regarding this ban will be the result of women's deaths and the inhumane
torture of being force to give birth to tragically sick and deformed babies, only to watch them die a miserable and painful death.

Well if they want to sell the abortions maybe throw in the ultra sound for no cost? Or maybe have a payment plan?

Where there is a will there is a way.

Nobody is trying to "sell" abortions. Don't be so cavalier about one of the most painful decisions that a woman would have to make. Nobody wants an
abortion at 20 weeks. Women don't seek last minute abortions because they lost their job, or got into a fight with their baby daddy. Women seek
abortions after 20 weeks because they got a dire prognosis, and don't want to risk their health and/or future.

Is nothing but a whole bunch of crap, about fetus pain, when doctors claim that they can perform surgeries on fetuses to correct certain malformations
before birth because fetuses do not feel the procedures.

I have to laugh at how the anti abortion can not stay away from women uterus and are obsess with regulating them.

If lawmakers are so concerned about a 20 week fetus being able to feel pain, why do they continue to vote against fetal anesthesia. Why don't they
care about the pain that fetus is going to feel AFTER being born with anencephalies, spina bifida, hydrocephalus, or microcephalus?

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