HEADSTART? Are you insane? As I've already pointed out, the gnome-desktop story did not ask people to repeatedly vote as many times as possible. You, apparently, seem unable to see this.

I don't care what O'Reilly policy is... it's the repeated calls for ballot-stuffing by dot.kde.org that's at issue -- it's been going on for years. KDE apparently, can't rely on normal people to vote, you must call upon your fearsome clans of drooling fanatics to swing things in your favour.

And the GNOME policy for years has been to send trolls over to dot.kde.org. It's because the GNOME project has been faltering and has nothing to show for itself but hoardes of paid trolls going around spreading anti-KDE FUD, lies, propaganda.

As I told you, if you don't care about O'Reilly, then don't support their poll and don't vote. O'Reilly asks you to vote fair by voting once a day. Yet your easy-bake-oven head can't seem to grasp this.

GNOME policy. ROFL. This little session is paying for my car tax. The fact is, every story on slashdot is overrun with KDE flamebots -- and the little demonstration earlier this year with KDE bluecurve was ample proof that KDE is staff and supported by moron flamers.

Yawn... let's repeat the O'Reilly thing again -- for the hard of thinking majority on dot.kde.org. Did you see GNOME desktop encouraging its users to vote early and often? No... it's something that happens on this fanatical stinkhole of a website a lot. Go get 'em boys... zealots ho!

Uh-huh. Your presence here is proof of your lies. Go to GNOMEDESKTOP.ORG and count the number of KDE trolls there. Then come back here and count the number of GNOME trolls here. Hooray, GNOME won another trophy in the number of trolls they have...

Another interesting thing I noticed. Your IP is in the same range as an open proxy abused by our famous "wiggle" troll last year. Perhaps a "welcome back" is due. I guess you noticed we lifted the bans. Time to reinstate it perhaps and make you the second ever ban in 6 months? Maybe, maybe not.

That's how fanatical we can get when we come across trolls and abusers of our resources... It's great isn't it. Go Konqi!

Do you really think that what you are suggesting is fair?
Just listen to yourself "You can vote once per day, so make it part of your daily routine!", it's a shame for the Dot to approve and issue such article. And I feel like losing my time to read about such dirty tricks.
I didn't voted not because I don't see my favorite OSS project FreeBSD or that didn't want helping KDE to get there, but I didn't because this stupid article that demonstrates your morality and ethics and destroys the image KDE is building seven years now.
KDE will definitely be there because it deserves - you happy now??
But for future may be it is questionable will it be or not if trends of losing image and popularity because of bad public view like this article continue.

If there is admin here please delete or edit this shame from the dot.

And finally I'd like to say thanks to the hardworking free developers of KDE who made KHTML and Safari possible.

Anton,
If you had read the article, the author of the vote/poll basically recommends voting once a day, but no more. So no, this is not bad to encourage that ppl vote once a day. Nobody encourages others to vote more that what was requested. Personaly,I do not see how this destroy's the KDE image? In what way was it wrong to obey the rules of the road for this vote?
As to deserving to be there, that is probably not true. More often than not, deserving has nothing to do with anything. If so, then BSD would have been used more years ago. Apple would have replaced MS on the desktop years ago, and Linux would now be replacing both on the desktop. MS should have taught all that you do not get what you buy (or deserve).

Posting such material on the #1 KDE public media (the Dot) is destroying the image (since it engourages the unfairplay). I checked already yesterday what does gnome says about it and they also encourage people to vote but does not publicly say that people should post multiple votes.

It's not unfair play! Its the rules of the poll! If they didn't want people to vote more than once, they wouldn't let them! The rules are probably structured like that to make sure that a small but dedicated fan base can still have an impact.

As the author of that phrase, I wrote it because the creator of the poll says you can vote once per day, so I'd imagine he's looking to factor that into the results of the poll. Since he's tracking each vote by a user account, it's obviously intentional that he is letting people vote once a day.

My impression is that they are looking for the projects with the strongest base of users. "Strong" base of users can be a small group of devoted people advocating their project or a large group of people that have mild feelings. Remember - this is about advocacy, and they have already chosen 21 projects that they feel could be there. By putting it to an online vote, they are even making the selection as open as possible - turning it over to the Open Source and Free Software community as best they can.

"You can vote once per day, so make it part of your daily routine!"
again - this sounds like a bad joke on the KDE's #1 public media which purpose is to help building the good image.
If you really wanted to suggest such cheat (or call it as you wish) you could add it as anonymous reader after you posted the article but it's really bad to feed such stuff on this board. After all don't forget that this is not the only site that publishes your material, it's also feeded through RSS to many other sites and news tickers as well.
Talking about advocacy, this post will really play it's good role for helping KDE to get there but as basic trend of curving the public image of kde in this direction will really play as bad advocacy for a longer term.

Oh right. This is why the butt-ugly XMMS filedialog is so /mature/ and has such a /usable/ non-useless-eyecandy GUI. *laugh* Wait, mature must also explain why Evolution is such a bloated and crashy pig? And also why the Gimp has such a stupid unusable GUI? How about the *wonderful* integration of GNOME Office (TM)? Man what a joke.

XMMS isn't a GNOME project -- and it is currently being ported (independantly) to GTK2.

Evolution crashy? Perhaps you have faulty RAM, or you messed up when you compiled it. I've been using Ximian builds of evolution since it was alpha (when it crashed a lot, ooh, 2.5 years ago I think), since then it hasn't crashed once... not once, and unlike you and the loudmouthed KDE zealots, I use my mail client in all kinds of different environments, not just simple POP3 to my ISP to pick up the electric-letters from my fellow l33t d00ds.

GNOME office? Gnumeric is, bar none, the best spreadsheet on Unix. Let me know when Kspread can do more than add up a shopping list.

Crap! (had to say this!) You have never really tried to use it, do you? And if you've been using it, than for no more than adding up a shopping list. The truth is, that it's just not able to handle files larger than 100 cols x 1000 rows (even with 512mb of ram). OO.calc is crap too, but it's lightyears better than Gnumeric! Gnumeric and Kspread are both neither mature apps nor ready for real-world usage. Do'nt claim something else... it's just not true.

Hey, the shopping list crack was mine. It seems KDE copying is not just confined to the software world. As for Gnumeric, I've been using it for analysing experimental data (along with a few other packages) for 6 months now. Best spreadsheet I've ever used -- and I've tried most. It even comes recommended for the quality of its numerical accuracy.

funny, that's what I tried to use gnumeric (v 1.2) for... so _who_ is copying here?.. Whatever...
"recommended for the quality of its numerical accuracy" plz read that again and let's both have a good laugh... You're sure you know what you're talking about? Wake up, man! you're free to use OpenOffice. It's there.. it's usable, though a bit slow sometimes (OOs slowness brought me to the stupid idea of giving Gnumeric a try). OO may be slow, but at least you get your work done...

*funny, that's what I tried to use gnumeric (v 1.2) for... so _who_ is copying here?

And I'm supposed to know that how, exactly? I would have to know it to copy it... fool.

As for the numerical accuracy -- apparently, you don't understand even the basics of this. Many spreadsheets have numerical routines of shockingly bad quality outside of the level required for simple accounting (Excel is notorious for this, as a simple google will show you). Gnumeric has been praised and recommended for this. You sound like a 15 year old who thinks if you put in 2+2 and get out 4, it means that your spreadsheet is T0P KWALITEE.

As for the size issue: Gnueric supprots enormous sheets with ease. The standard build is compiled with options to limit it to the size allowed by Excel, for compatiblity reasons.

You, along with a great many KDE loons, seem to compile GNOME software yourself and don't have the first idea how to do it properly -- possibly this is deliberate, or you simply lie about your experiences. May I suggest making the effort to get a packaged version, and save yourself some grief.

And I'm supposed to know that how, exactly? I would have to know it to copy it... fool

If you don't get that sentence, simply don't feel in need to answer to it...

> Excel is notorious for this

... Yeah... Excel _was_ notorious for this. btw. Excel e.g. is a mature app, easy to use, eats large chunks of data and feels responsive even with very large files. Neither Gnumeric nor Kspread nor even OO.calc live up to the level of excel...
And you're right I did not know that special compatibility-option for Gnumeric. But that's not changing anything in my opinion, that Gnumeric is overrated by you and the guy who told you to use Gnumeric for scientific work...

> And you're right I did not know that special compatibility-option for Gnumeric. But that's not changing anything in my opinion, that Gnumeric is overrated by you and the guy who told you to use Gnumeric for scientific work...

Uh, well, if the guy worked with it half a year in production environment i.e. "at work" while you haven't passed the hurdle of compiling it right, well, who's better in the situation to make a reasonable point about Gnumeric's quality and accuracy?
And yeah, you may be right Excel *is* a mature app, but it's worstcoded, bloated + speedhacked. And it's far to expensive anyways, just because they have bound mankind to the Office formats in time.
It's a simple thing, OSS development seems to me a bit faster at the moment then M$ dev, properly because the 5000 something coding guys @ M$ there constantly stumble over all that old ugly code.. So it'll all just outdevelop M$. They are struggling with Longhorn now (didn't get that beta with that neat 3D stuff in there ready in time to dev.conf., HAHA) and I don't want to ever.
And the good thing really is to know, ultimately, M$ cannot win.
regards