This is now officially really, really interesting. As Darryl Morey, aka the most overrated GM ever because he's friends with Simmons, has decided he has to have Dewey, no matter what.

Currently he's accumulated the 14, 16 and 18 picks in the draft, which along with Kyle Lowry (remember when the Cavs tried to steal him) gives them a really interesting combination of options here. Word has it they are trying to get a top ten pick as well to make the trade literally too much for Orlando to say no to.

He is a complete and utter cocksucker, one of the two biggest in the League with Melo and a notch above Wade and Blake.

That said, he also is the second best player in the league and Morey's reign as GM has been, up to now, a huge failure.... no matter how much Bill Simmons wants you to think differently. This, per Woj, is Morey trying to put together a package the Magic "can't turn down" and is a last ditch effort for Morey to land that star he has been promising Houston since T-Mac and Yao got hurt.

And, no matter how much of a cocksucker Dewey is, he still is the second best player in the league right now. Shit like that means something.

KL is a nice peice to play with, but why not go to Jersey and play with Deron + whatever they get for Lopez, in trade? Hell, Wallace may even come back, given that option.

Huh? A) Lowry wouldn't be on the team if Dwight was there, and B) the Rockets have been a .500 team for the last few years. Lots of decent players but no stars. Dwight and Scola would be a devastating frontcourt, IMO they would complement each other very well. Dragic was a monster last year after Lowry went down. Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, Marcus Morris, Chandler Parsons would be the shooters to surround Dwight. They'd be an instant contender out West.

Does Houston take that risk and HOPE they can convince him to sign long term. Seems like a huge gamble, especially if Dewey hasn't had the Rockets on his radar as one of his "destinations". Also can Houston free up enough cap space to afford Howard and say a D-Will?

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Lee, do you really think Lowry and three picks in the teens gets it done for Howard? They had an offer of Bynum on the table as recently a few months ago. This guy Hennigan just took the job, I would think he'd hold out for a better package than that, or at least a comparable one that's easier to sell to fans. It's the prudent basketball move to load up on picks and shed Turk's contract(among others), but they'll tie him to the tracks of Space Mountain if he doesn't get an All Star caliber guy. I know the Magic don't want to go through the circus of waiting until the deadline again, but it's not like they're a contender anyway.

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Sorta off topic but what is Pau's value in a trade now anyway? He seems a slightly older version of the same guy who was lambasted for the same issues before the lakers traded for him. In between, he was considered an integral part of a perennial title contender.

CP wrote:Sorta off topic but what is Pau's value in a trade now anyway? He seems a slightly older version of the same guy who was lambasted for the same issues before the lakers traded for him. In between, he was considered an integral part of a perennial title contender.

He's still a top 3 center and still possibly the best offensive low-post player in the league (I see he and Bynum as a toss-up, Bynum obviously has the strength and power but Pau can do it all). Just needs to get away from the Lakers. They shoulda known the non-stop trade rumors would wreck the confidence of the two softest guys in the league.

e0y2e3 wrote:What risk is there? They have two players that play the same position and a bunch of parts that will not go anywhere without a star around them.

You aren't getting a star even if you trade up to 7 in this draft.

Morey has built the ultimate middling disaster of a team and frankly if he doesn't roll the dice he's going to permanently be trapped in eight seed at best hell.

(of note: that middling 8 seed in the West is still so far superior to the Cavs it isn't funny)

Thinking about it, Morey, if he gets Howard, puts himself in a good position. He has cap room to sign another impact player to pair w/ Howard and suign him long term. OR. Trade deadline rolls around, Howard says I'm not signing w/ you no matter what, Morey now had the ultimate trading chip and can get more back than what he gave up to get Howard.

IF this goes down, that is

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CP wrote:Sorta off topic but what is Pau's value in a trade now anyway? He seems a slightly older version of the same guy who was lambasted for the same issues before the lakers traded for him. In between, he was considered an integral part of a perennial title contender.

I heard La wants a top 10 pick for him.

I've been too afraid of EYE to suggest this scenario, but what if....

We draft MKC at 4 & trade both 2's and the LA 1st to move up for T Ross.

Would we and cuild we trade next year's 1ast for Pau?

Lineup goes:

KyrieT RossMKGSide Show BobPau

With TT rotating in to give Pau rest with Andy sliding up & out.

I doubt the NBA is set up fo rthe Cavs to ever contend again until/unless we get the next LBJ, so why not go for it before Irving leaves and at least win?

I might be misremembering, but when he was coming into the league, wasn't Dewey supposed to be this super conservative, nice, humble, upright, christian boy and all of the happy horseshit that goes with that sort of thing?

More specifically with the cap space, the clearing is to allow Houston to absorb many of Orlando's shit contracts. Interesting play by Houston and my guess is Orlando will continue to wait out Bynum and LA. Sooner or later Dewey is going to either one.

Will be real comedy when Dewey bolts Houston though after all this and ends up in Dallas or something.

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More specifically with the cap space, the clearing is to allow Houston to absorb many of Orlando's shit contracts. Interesting play by Houston and my guess is Orlando will continue to wait out Bynum and LA. Sooner or later Dewey is going to either one.

Will be real comedy when Dewey bolts Houston though after all this and ends up in Dallas or something.

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Even if Houston pulls this off, isn't this basically a worse version of the Orlando franchise moved into the Western Conference? They will have amnestied Scola and added Howard and Jason Richardson, Big Baby, Chris Duhon and Turkeglu). Even if Lin's deal doesn't get matched (it will), most of the Rockets' roster from last year would be gone, along with all those first round draft picks from this year plus multiple firsts?

Looks to me like the Magic would be crazy not to take anything like this deal; they're basically going to get 5-6 first round picks, lose all of their bad contracts and get an accelerated rebuild.

Meanwhile, once someone goes through and figures out what Morey actually paid to get Howard (including everything he paid to get THESE assets that he's trading away), he should never be heard from again.

Yeah, Morey isn't putting his job on the line. He's putting his career in the hands of the world's biggest flake. If he doesn't get Howard, or if Howard decides not to stay, then he'll never be a GM again.

StewieG wrote:Yeah, Morey isn't putting his job on the line. He's putting his career in the hands of the world's biggest flake. If he doesn't get Howard, or if Howard decides not to stay, then he'll never be a GM again.

For whatever reason, and regardless of ownership or FO, the Rockets org has historically been myopic for building around a big at the 5. Still hungover from the Mo Malone years, I guess. Then Olajuwon, then Yao and now Dewey. Back in the day it made sense. Now? Not so sure.

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My guess is they want to see if they can get one really good player (Bynum) instead of a bunch of decent players/role players.

They'd also pretty much have to make another trade to get rid of some of their PF's...especially when you consider Jones can (probably) play PF as well. It's possible they could turn a couple of them into a draft pick or a decent player.

But yeah, if Houston's willing to give up everything for Howard...it's really tough for Orlando to say no.

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It fits in the trade calculator. Now I'm not saying that this would be close to enough without mucho draft choices but it fits. I'm also guessing Orlando would want us to take on some of their crappy contracts which we could.

If that Bynum deal goes down, I'm happy as hell. I think the Irving/Bynum combo would be better than any combo LeBron was a part of when he was here.

I know that this might go does as the craziest sh t anybodys gonna say for the next 48 hours, but I'm gonna say it anyway. With what the Browns did this offseason (I think they did great), and the Tribe's above average play, if we get Bynum, it will be the highest level of optimism I've ever had, collectively for the three teams here.

That being said, I couldn't find a damn thing about this deal on ESPN this morning, but I did find an article on SI.com; sounds like they're a looong way from making a deal, but I've definitely got my fingers crossed.

The Cleveland Cavaliers may have inched ahead of the Houston Rockets as a facilitator in a potential trade that would send Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources said Wednesday.

One source familiar with the talks, though, cautioned to not make too much of that shift just yet.

The Cavaliers would land Lakers center Andrew Bynum for a package of draft picks and veteran power forward Anderson Varejao, according to one league source. The Lakers would receive Howard for Bynum.