I have a different goal with my "green" efforts... I want to have more wild spaces. Because of this, the whole global warming thing is irrelevant because my efforts to save wild spaces results in a very "low carbon lifestyle" so global warming can be ignored for me. What disturbs me is when I talk to very intelligent people who feel that wasting energy is a good thing for the economy. They even think any warming, if it even is happening, would be a good thing. My first suspicion is that they are sucked into the oil lobby propaganda but by probing the source of their ideas, it seems that it is only a reaction to Al Gore.

Personally, I do not understand Gore hatred. It started with his movie which was right on. In fact it was a little conservative because it didn't have the latest data on tundra melt and, at the time, the first inklings of geometric methane releases. The antis and haters certainly did not want to change their lifestyles or have anything cost THEM money. Selfish, greedy, ignorant, stubborn, are all words I could use to describe them. Their(the anti-AGW, anti-Gore crowd) minions went on a spree of disinformation that is still affecting the majority of people sharing at least some of their qualities above.Here is the latest; "We are pleased to invite you to join us this week when millions of people will tune in to watch 24 Hours of Reality: The Dirty Weather Report, a live online broadcast that will bring the world together around the reality of the climate crisis.http://climaterealityproject.org/For a full 24 hours, beginning Wednesday at 8pm EST and ending at Thursday at 8pm EST, we will convene the world’s leading business leaders, climate scientists, community groups, philanthropists, activists, and religious leaders to discuss climate change and to empower you to join the movement by taking action.

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I have a different goal with my "green" efforts... I want to have more wild spaces. Because of this, the whole global warming thing is irrelevant because my efforts to save wild spaces results in a very "low carbon lifestyle" so global warming can be ignored for me.

Wild spaces are ..... WILD ..... and just simply good because they are wild. Are you one who preserves wild spaces? Good for you .... we need people who can be stewards and look after the land.But unfortuantely for you and us ...... your "idea" that you don't have to be concerned with global warming is false. While you are not contributing to it ..... everyone else is. This is our society and we have all conrtibuted to it. We are in this together.

What disturbs me is when I talk to very intelligent people who feel that wasting energy is a good thing for the economy. They even think any warming, if it even is happening, would be a good thing. My first suspicion is that they are sucked into the oil lobby propaganda but by probing the source of their ideas, it seems that it is only a reaction to Al Gore.

They are just taking sides. They are getting caught up in the "seeming" opposition. We all do this.

Wild spaces are ..... WILD ..... and just simply good because they are wild. Are you one who preserves wild spaces? Good for you .... we need people who can be stewards and look after the land.But unfortuantely for you and us ...... your "idea" that you don't have to be concerned with global warming is false. While you are not contributing to it ..... everyone else is. This is our society and we have all conrtibuted to it. We are in this together.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make... The whole debate of "we must reduce our CO2 emissions to save the planet" verses "our CO2 levels have nothing to do with the weather" is not worth arguing if I am promoting a low CO2 emissions lifestyle but for reasons unconnected with CO2 levels.The biggest threat to wild spaces is the quest for growing more food. The second biggest threat is the quest to produce more energy. The third biggest threat is urban sprawl and people looking to live in the country. I promote (and seek to develop methods and tools accordingly) living a self-sustainable lifestyle with the smallest footprint (mostly in actual surface area of the globe you are living in but all other need for land use as well). If you are eating grain, you are using a few blocks worth of land to grow that grain for you. People do not take that into consideration unless they are working on a farm and buying their grain by the bag. Reducing that land use to the area of your own city lot that is grown with food instead of grass will have a far greater effect on protecting wild spaces than any other action... except for choosing to not have children. Also not buying energy or food will take the money out of producing such things. This also lowers the price of food for countries who are unable to feed their people (and note that the cost of the food at their end is mostly the cost of the fuel involved in making and shipping that food). The most endangered wild spaces are in poor countries ravaged by war... the people go and kill animals to eat due to that cheap grain over in Canada being so expensive by the time it reaches the people due to the high price of oil. Keeping that food cheap by not using oil (don't drive... take the bus or walk because you live in a city) will save gorillas and elephants and orangutans.