dustygrimp:Pro-hipster backlash? Surprised it didn't come sooner, what with the insecurity that oozes from them.

Nah, just against the dipshiats that call anything and everything they don't like "hipster" or "edgy".I recognize there are lots of middle-aged socially inept cranks on here, but it's getting old and tired, just like them.

Hell not to defend hipsters, but who's really more insecure? Some guy in a mustache wearing skinny jeans, or a guy who hasn't been out in months ripping some popular band he's never seen for being "hipster"?

Pocket Ninja:I think Drew needs to modify the Fark filters to automatically change the word "hipster" into something more reflective of the vast majority of people who choose to use that term on here, something that accurately captures their general ignorance, laziness, and slavering desire to get in a meme wherever they can, regardless of its accuracy. I'm not exactly sure of what that might be, but I'm sure there's something.

I decided last night I'm a bit tired of the cooking and cleaning that comes with Thanksgiving every year. Instead, I'm going to start going to Hawaii or somewhere else to dive and drink. The beaches and water should be quiet and the holiday might be a bit nicer... Sounds like a great new tradition to me.

Lexx:Well, DUH Thanksgiving is boring to foodies and critics: it's all about tradition. *Current* Traditional Thanksgiving is what our grandparents were eating for Thanksgiving in the 50's-60's. You're not allowed to innovate. I mean hell, my family just about had a fit when my mom tried changing the pumpkin pie recipe to add some orange zest to the filling.

Thanksgiving ISN'T about culinary pleasure. It's about getting extended families who secretly hate eachother together at the same table, making everyone suffer through the same bland food, and then hoping against hope that no one brings up sex, politics, or religion at the table. THEN it's about drinking heavily when someone inevitably does.

If you had read the article, you'd be agreeing with it instead of making an asshole out of yourself.

tallguywithglasseson:dustygrimp: Pro-hipster backlash? Surprised it didn't come sooner, what with the insecurity that oozes from them.

Nah, just against the dipshiats that call anything and everything they don't like "hipster" or "edgy".I recognize there are lots of middle-aged socially inept cranks on here, but it's getting old and tired, just like them.

Hell not to defend hipsters, but who's really more insecure? Some guy in a mustache wearing skinny jeans, or a guy who hasn't been out in months ripping some popular band he's never seen for being "hipster"?

Pocket Ninja:I think Drew needs to modify the Fark filters to automatically change the word "hipster" into something more reflective of the vast majority of people who choose to use that term on here, something that accurately captures their general ignorance, laziness, and slavering desire to get in a meme wherever they can, regardless of its accuracy. I'm not exactly sure of what that might be, but I'm sure there's something.

tallguywithglasseson:Hell not to defend hipsters, but who's really more insecure? Some guy in a mustache wearing skinny jeans, or a guy who hasn't been out in months ripping some popular band he's never seen for being "hipster"?

I would say it would be the guy in the mustache wearing skinny jeans, because he would be ALSO ripping a popular band he's never seen before for being "hipster" (e.g. Arcade Fire) despite him most likely being a hipster himself.

Being hipster isn't just some innocent subculture, it's basically a person telling himself, "I am the utmost authority of what is 'the best' thing to do to be outside of the mainstream and I am different than anyone else. No one can understand what I have to go through in order to be different." While at the same time he congregates with people who look similar to him, have similar opinions and ideas, and basically eat, drink, and (if he does have a job) work in similar areas. Also, they seem to have a tenancy to copy other subcultures' styles (such as Punk, Goth, Mod, Rockabilly, Emo, ect) and virtually mix them all together (with the end product being horrid to see and experience), while trying to hold the claim that they invented their look and hold a distasteful opinion of people who are part of those subcultures as "conformist" (despite stealing those subcultures' ideals) and make members of those subcultures feel unwelcome and unwanted around them. Hipster isn't a subculture, it's a disease of the mind.

Prank Monkey:I am seriously considering laying off the booze this year in order to stuff more food in my face hole. This plan could be derailed by how my family behaves meeting the girlfriend's family for the first time.

You're doing it completely wrong. "Booze before food and the family is all good". At the dinner table you claim to have some obscure GI test the next day so you can't have solids. To celebrate and show much you value their company, you do shots of Wild Turkey. While they gorge themselves, you finish an entire fifth of Wild Turkey. The family looks with relief at the empty bottle, and starts drifting into topics more likely to set you off, like religion, politics, or the Giffords assassination attempt by the Israelis. Incest innuendos. You stagger into the garage and get another fifth of Wild Turkey. You steer the conversation to topics you have researched in the last week: the Gaza strip, the Begich Social Security bill, and how we might have to start taxing Roth IRAs upon withdrawal if things get any worse.

You'll probably black out sometime around 8pm if you time this right, but since you're on the couch and the TV is on you can blame the tryptophan which is the secret ingredient Jimmy Russell uses to distill Wild Turkey, which process is not banned in Kentucky. Wake up at 2am, go to fridge, stuff huge mouthfuls of turkey into your mouth. Vomit all over the front of the fridge. Bring dog over and leave paw prints in vomit around the kitchen so you don't get blamed.

Wake wife up at 3am. When she says you smell and she won't have sex unless you take a shower and brush your teeth, tell her the world doesn't revolve around her vag and you just want a ride to Walmart to do some Black Friday shopping.

Pocket Ninja:I think Drew needs to modify the Fark filters to automatically change the word "hipster" into something more reflective of the vast majority of people who choose to use that term on here, something that accurately captures their general ignorance, laziness, and slavering desire to get in a meme wherever they can, regardless of its accuracy. I'm not exactly sure of what that might be, but I'm sure there's something.

ZeroPly:Prank Monkey: I am seriously considering laying off the booze this year in order to stuff more food in my face hole. This plan could be derailed by how my family behaves meeting the girlfriend's family for the first time.

You're doing it completely wrong. "Booze before food and the family is all good". At the dinner table you claim to have some obscure GI test the next day so you can't have solids. To celebrate and show much you value their company, you do shots of Wild Turkey. While they gorge themselves, you finish an entire fifth of Wild Turkey. The family looks with relief at the empty bottle, and starts drifting into topics more likely to set you off, like religion, politics, or the Giffords assassination attempt by the Israelis. Incest innuendos. You stagger into the garage and get another fifth of Wild Turkey. You steer the conversation to topics you have researched in the last week: the Gaza strip, the Begich Social Security bill, and how we might have to start taxing Roth IRAs upon withdrawal if things get any worse.

You'll probably black out sometime around 8pm if you time this right, but since you're on the couch and the TV is on you can blame the tryptophan which is the secret ingredient Jimmy Russell uses to distill Wild Turkey, which process is not banned in Kentucky. Wake up at 2am, go to fridge, stuff huge mouthfuls of turkey into your mouth. Vomit all over the front of the fridge. Bring dog over and leave paw prints in vomit around the kitchen so you don't get blamed.

Wake wife up at 3am. When she says you smell and she won't have sex unless you take a shower and brush your teeth, tell her the world doesn't revolve around her vag and you just want a ride to Walmart to do some Black Friday shopping.

The first recipe story I ever sold, 25 years ago, was pegged to Thanksgiving-a piece on ways to use cranberries besides the inevitable sauce, as if anyone would want them anywhere near steak or salad or anything but turkey.

Yeah, I can't think of anything that would be good there. Oh wait! The steak salad i had about an hour ago with cranberries in it that was really good. Maybe the problem is that you are just a terrible food critic, Regina Schrambling, or you are just a terrible journalist falling into the "I'll make something up, be overdramatic, and make it sound obvious, so that I can make a point that is both false and stupid!" trap.

wow... just out of curiosity i clicked on her name to look at her other articles... i would bet that a million reginas typing on a million typewriters for a million years would eventually come up with what one monkey could get from one typewriter by throwing poop at it.

ZeroPly:Prank Monkey: I am seriously considering laying off the booze this year in order to stuff more food in my face hole. This plan could be derailed by how my family behaves meeting the girlfriend's family for the first time.

You're doing it completely wrong. "Booze before food and the family is all good". At the dinner table you claim to have some obscure GI test the next day so you can't have solids. To celebrate and show much you value their company, you do shots of Wild Turkey...

Uh I love Thanksgiving, but I hate it when people make box stuffing or go out to eat (unless they are old or sick or for another reason really unable to cook) or are not hanging out with their family so they can go out at 7 and shop.

Instead of 'hang out with your family. cook a meal the old fashioned way. appreciate what you have' some people want to turn it into 'be super lazy and order someone else to make your food and complain about how difficult cooking is, whine about how much you hate your difficult family, and then buy a bunch of crap'. I hate those people; I don't hate Thanskgiving.

I'm old. I remember when young people were dismissively called "beatniks". Then, young people were dismissively called "hippies". Other words I recall are "yuppies", "slickers", "gen-xers", "gen-yers", "spoiled brats", and now "hipsters".

If you are being called a hipster, it's just a dogwhistle for "young person". If you get touchy about it, you are a touchy hipster.

Get over it.

On another note, my modifications to the libby pie recipe are to use sweetened condensed milk instead of unsweetened, no sugar at all, and a teaspoon of powdered ginger to go with the usual spices. The ginger has a nice little kick to it.

Either your Thanksgivings really suck or you're just a hipster foodie. I love the Thanksgiving meal and it's got nothing to do with tradition. (I'm not big on tradition, personally.) I just plain love turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, and pumpkin pie.

Pocket Ninja:I think Drew needs to modify the Fark filters to automatically change the word "hipster" into something more reflective of the vast majority of people who choose to use that term on here, something that accurately captures their general ignorance, laziness, and slavering desire to get in a meme wherever they can, regardless of its accuracy. I'm not exactly sure of what that might be, but I'm sure there's something.

Nah, it would be Turducken. Nothing more ironic and contemptuous of American excess than Turducken. It would have to be free range/vegan diet/kosher-hallal butchery for all three. Add some potato flakes, canned cranberry sauce (served still in can shape), heat'n'eat stuffing, and pumpkin pie mini-cupcakes made by this pop-up bakery on Bleeker that you've never heard of. Add PBR or Schlitz, maybe some Mogen David, and put the fireside screensaver on the big TV.

dc0012c:Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Hipster Thanksgiving is Swanson's turkey pot pie on a TV tray in front of the fire

Nah, it would be Turducken. Nothing more ironic and contemptuous of American excess than Turducken. It would have to be free range/vegan diet/kosher-hallal butchery for all three. Add some potato flakes, canned cranberry sauce (served still in can shape), heat'n'eat stuffing, and pumpkin pie mini-cupcakes made by this pop-up bakery on Bleeker that you've never heard of. Add PBR or Schlitz, maybe some Mogen David, and put the fireside screensaver on the big TV.

Don't you dare say one goddamned word against the can-shaped cranberry sauce! That is delicious and an important part of Thanksgiving, you commie bastard. How do you expect me to get nice slices for my leftover turkey sandwich without it?

DarkSoulNoHope:Hipster isn't a subculture, it's a disease of the mind.

QFT

Kurt Loder told an entire generation to question authority and do their own thing. A certain subculture mistook those orders to do their own thing as orders to do something unique. So they went in search of something they could call their own. They started dressing in secondhand clothes or smoking a pipe or searching for a band that no one ever heard of to immerse themselves in or garbage picking for furniture. Thus was born the overpriced army/navy and Salvation Army stores, etc. Now because these quirks were not born organically and are instead affectations it is not enough that they do these things. They must be seen (Hence, they are in the scene) doing these things. The pipe smoking hipster does not have an interest in smoking a pipe, he has an interest in being SEEN smoking a pipe. They need to be able to say, "Look at me! I'm unique because I smoke a pipe... listen to The Elevator Drops... dress like Elvis Costello," Because at heart, they just want to be cool like Kurt Loder said. That's why they surround themselves with like-minded people but discourage newcomers. They have their core of Kurt surrogates to deem them unique and cool and can therefore be smug with outsiders making them feel superior the way the did in grade school... by mocking those who are different from them.

babygoat:Lexx: Well, DUH Thanksgiving is boring to foodies and critics: it's all about tradition. *Current* Traditional Thanksgiving is what our grandparents were eating for Thanksgiving in the 50's-60's. You're not allowed to innovate. I mean hell, my family just about had a fit when my mom tried changing the pumpkin pie recipe to add some orange zest to the filling.

Thanksgiving ISN'T about culinary pleasure. It's about getting extended families who secretly hate eachother together at the same table, making everyone suffer through the same bland food, and then hoping against hope that no one brings up sex, politics, or religion at the table. THEN it's about drinking heavily when someone inevitably does.

If you had read the article, you'd be agreeing with it instead of making an asshole out of yourself.

Thanks, I *did* read the article beforehand. The article itself is only tertially related to this thread.

Lexx:Well, DUH Thanksgiving is boring to foodies and critics: it's all about tradition. *Current* Traditional Thanksgiving is what our grandparents were eating for Thanksgiving in the 50's-60's. You're not allowed to innovate. I mean hell, my family just about had a fit when my mom tried changing the pumpkin pie recipe to add some orange zest to the filling.

Thanksgiving ISN'T about culinary pleasure. It's about getting extended families who secretly hate eachother together at the same table, making everyone suffer through the same bland food, and then hoping against hope that no one brings up sex, politics, or religion at the table. THEN it's about drinking heavily when someone inevitably does.

I have heard a few things that are "hipster" that have me starting to believe that anything outside of the norm is hipster. Beyond that, I have a hard time actually defining what a hipster is. Excluding clothes, the too tight, ugliest possible, bad parts of every fashion, is something that is definitely hipster.

adragontattoo:I have heard a few things that are "hipster" that have me starting to believe that anything outside of the norm is hipster. Beyond that, I have a hard time actually defining what a hipster is. Excluding clothes, the too tight, ugliest possible, bad parts of every fashion, is something that is definitely hipster.

At its core hipster is trying very hard to be cool while pretending you are not. A good example of that is the trend of looking for obscure bands to like. It isn't a matter of genuinely liking obscure music, it is a matter of believing that liking it makes you cool. However this is combined with a facade of not caring about being cool, that you actually listen to the music because yo like it, all while looking down your nose that those that don't.

The clothes are another example in that they are supposedly "ironically cool". They aren't worn because they look good or are comfortable or cheap but because they are "ironic" and again, people who do will deny it is an attempt to be cool, it is that they are doing their own thing and so on.

azmoviez:Of course I know my family would freak out because the turkey didn't look like a Norman Rockwell painting.

The best turkey we ever made was when we were first married and having dinner between the two of us. We farked up and put the turkey in the bag upside down. It came out of the oven looking like total shiat and was a biatch to get out and onto a plate, but the breast was so juicy and moist it was worth it not to have a "presentation". No one else was there to see it anyway.

sycraft:adragontattoo: I have heard a few things that are "hipster" that have me starting to believe that anything outside of the norm is hipster. Beyond that, I have a hard time actually defining what a hipster is. Excluding clothes, the too tight, ugliest possible, bad parts of every fashion, is something that is definitely hipster.

At its core hipster is trying very hard to be cool while pretending you are not. A good example of that is the trend of looking for obscure bands to like. It isn't a matter of genuinely liking obscure music, it is a matter of believing that liking it makes you cool. However this is combined with a facade of not caring about being cool, that you actually listen to the music because yo like it, all while looking down your nose that those that don't.

The clothes are another example in that they are supposedly "ironically cool". They aren't worn because they look good or are comfortable or cheap but because they are "ironic" and again, people who do will deny it is an attempt to be cool, it is that they are doing their own thing and so on.

I think I finally get it...

So basically it's like everyone here liking obscure restaurants or obscure scotches, but instead the hipsters like obscure bands. And the clothes are the equivalent of custom painted 1960's cars that aren't efficient or comfortable or environmental, and don't have any safety features, but are still "cool".

Lexx:Well, DUH Thanksgiving is boring to foodies and critics: it's all about tradition. *Current* Traditional Thanksgiving is what our grandparents were eating for Thanksgiving in the 50's-60's. You're not allowed to innovate.

Exactly, which is why the author has a legitimate complaint about editors that insist on making foodie stories about Thanksgiving when no one really wants to write them OR read them either.

Thanksgiving for most people is about comfort food, whatever that might be in their family. No one wants to innovate, they want it to be the same thing. And that's fine, but means food magazines might as well take a bye week.

dustygrimp:DarkSoulNoHope: Hipster isn't a subculture, it's a disease of the mind.

QFT

Kurt Loder told an entire generation to question authority and do their own thing. A certain subculture mistook those orders to do their own thing as orders to do something unique. So they went in search of something they could call their own. They started dressing in secondhand clothes or smoking a pipe or searching for a band that no one ever heard of to immerse themselves in or garbage picking for furniture. Thus was born the overpriced army/navy and Salvation Army stores, etc. Now because these quirks were not born organically and are instead affectations it is not enough that they do these things. They must be seen (Hence, they are in the scene) doing these things. The pipe smoking hipster does not have an interest in smoking a pipe, he has an interest in being SEEN smoking a pipe. They need to be able to say, "Look at me! I'm unique because I smoke a pipe... listen to The Elevator Drops... dress like Elvis Costello," Because at heart, they just want to be cool like Kurt Loder said. That's why they surround themselves with like-minded people but discourage newcomers. They have their core of Kurt surrogates to deem them unique and cool and can therefore be smug with outsiders making them feel superior the way the did in grade school... by mocking those who are different from them.

Wait. You think KURT LODER is to blame for hipsters?

Kurt Loder is 67 years old.

That's not an exaggeration or anything. The man is actually 67 years old.

adragontattoo:I have heard a few things that are "hipster" that have me starting to believe that anything outside of the norm is hipster. Beyond that, I have a hard time actually defining what a hipster is. Excluding clothes, the too tight, ugliest possible, bad parts of every fashion, is something that is definitely hipster.

What makes something hipster is being outside the norm for the sake of being outside the norm: mimesis as rebellion.