Crowdfunding campaign now aiming for new target of £20,000 thanks to 'heartwarming' response

A crowdfunding campaign started by a Muslim man who witnessed the Westminster attack has raised more than £17,000 in just a day for victims of the atrocity and their families.

The Muslims United for London page passed the £3,000 mark within an hour of going live and surpassed £10,000 over the next 15 hours as hundreds of people rushed to donate.

Muddassar Ahmed said he started the fund after witnessing the attack, having entered Portcullis House just 10 minutes before terror struck and being barricaded inside for four hours.

“I was shocked to see the injuries and loss of life outside my window,” he wrote.

“I reflected on what it means to be a born-and-bred Londoner and found myself proud of how security and medical services responded, how ordinary passers-by offered first aid, and what our Parliament means to me, an institution that is the oldest of its kind in the world and how, regardless of our critiques of government policies or political parties, remains an institution that reflects how the will of the people can be expressed with civility and dignity.”

He has now raised the fund’s target to £20,000 because of the unexpected “high demand and heartwarming response”.

Syl wrote:Good for them.I feel sorry for law abiding Muslims in any country when atrocities like this happen in the name of their religion.

I know Irish people were targeted when they opened their mouths in certain places of the UK when the IRA were terrorising, Muslim men dont have to speak, they look the part.

Every time these vile acts are committed it makes the lives of ordinary peace loving men and women harder.

Showing solidarity with the victims and publicly speaking out against the hate is of course the right thing to do.

Its hard not to be angry that it keeps happening, but you are right that many law abiding Muslims are not culpable for these acts. Where in fact, they are by far, suffer the most victims from Islamic terrorism.

I remember to the hate directed at the Irish, during the height of the IRA. When some found out my mother as Irish, I received countless abuse. What they failed to grasp was that also i have lost uncles to the IRA, as both worked for the RUC.

Its great that Muslims are coming forward with money, but to me, they need to be the ones that tackle Islamic extremism and to do this, means challenging Islamic doctrine and the hate spouted against the west. Or the global view wrongly held that this is because of western imperialism or collateral damage to air attacks. That is excusing the hate preached against non-Muslims and the west. This is also a major problem and goes unchallenged. Even many progressive Muslims constantly say, this would not happen due to bombings. That is excusing terrorism. Which is also very insulting considering the west has stepped into save Bosnia, the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban and yet hate more where sadly there has been accidental loss of life through bombings, than the crimes committed by the Taliban. Or mass murder by Assad, Saddam and ISIS are seen as lesser evils than western intervention and help. This has to change and why these views help turn Muslims to terrorism. As blame is directed away from the real reason. Islamic supremacy and hate preached.

Well look the other day at for example Sexy's comments to Tommy on bombings, as if to blame for terrorism?

Why does she think this?

Because there is a view widely taught and shared, that the west is at fault for this.

Its excusing the terrorism, as if this is a cause an effect to terrorism.

Its not, for example the Bali bombing was based off Al Qaeda, being pissed at the west for stopping genocide in East Timor, by the Indonesians.

Yes religious people are best placed to counter hate taught within their faith.

How do you propose they do this? They probably have jobs and busy lives.

Within the home, at places of worship, through friends and family, where they come to here people speak and defend such extremist views. They challenged them or report them.In fact Muslims do report other Muslims that they fear are potential terrorists.So do you propose they sit by and say and do nothing, if they know someone is being indoctrinated with these views or challenge them?

I know she has in the past,Though admit I was mistaken, she meant terrorism recently the other day.. In fact, just ask her when she is next online Rags. But the recent comment was even more ridiculous. That the refugee crisis was down to the west helping fight ISIS with bombing their targets. Not ISIS or Assad.

She told Tommy (reference to either the Uk or west) to stop bombing them. After Tommy argued they should stay in their own countries.

This is a very poor belief, where she has ignored the fact Assad and Isis have made 9 million as refugees. The west did not get involved in this conflict until recently with airstrikes. So again this is the problem, blaming the west for what ISIS and Assad have done

Thorin wrote:I know she has in the past,Though admit I was mistaken, she meant terrorism recently the other day.. In fact, just ask her when she is next online Rags. But the recent comment was even more ridiculous. That the refugee crisis was down to the west helping fight ISIS with bombing their targets. Not ISIS or Assad.

She told Tommy (reference to either the Uk or west) to stop bombing them. After Tommy argued they should stay in their own countries.

This is a very poor belief, where she has ignored the fact Assad and Isis have made 9 million as refugees. The west did not get involved in this conflict until recently with airstrikes. So again this is the problem, blaming the west for what ISIS and Assad have done

Her comment the other day was nothing to do with terrorism, so I don't think we need to pursue this any further.

Thorin wrote:I know she has in the past,Though admit I was mistaken, she meant terrorism recently the other day.. In fact, just ask her when she is next online Rags. But the recent comment was even more ridiculous. That the refugee crisis was down to the west helping fight ISIS with bombing their targets. Not ISIS or Assad.

She told Tommy (reference to either the Uk or west) to stop bombing them. After Tommy argued they should stay in their own countries.

This is a very poor belief, where she has ignored the fact Assad and Isis have made 9 million as refugees. The west did not get involved in this conflict until recently with airstrikes. So again this is the problem, blaming the west for what ISIS and Assad have done

Her comment the other day was nothing to do with terrorism, so I don't think we need to pursue this any further.

Copout, just ask her then.

Then you can say, well, Thorin, you were right.The fact she blamed Tommy for the bombings as if the Uk was responsible for the refugee crisis, is exactly what the problem constantly is.Blaming the west.You just had proof of that

_________________At this point I do not know what is worse.A person who is full of envy spreading rumours and lies.Or the people with not enough education or common sense who believe them.

Her comment the other day was nothing to do with terrorism, so I don't think we need to pursue this any further.

Copout, just ask her then.

Then you can say, well, Thorin, you were right.The fact she blamed Tommy for the bombings as if the Uk was responsible for the refugee crisis, is exactly what the problem constantly is.Blaming the west.You just had proof of that

Then you can say, well, Thorin, you were right.The fact she blamed Tommy for the bombings as if the Uk was responsible for the refugee crisis, is exactly what the problem constantly is.Blaming the west.You just had proof of that

Are you suggesting that refugees are terrorists?

SM didn't mention terrorism - it was a completely different issue.

Some terrorists masquerade as refugees.

She has before and i know more so than you, as i have know her for years.I know she has because I once made the same piss poor arguments as she did and defended her.That is how I know.Again you ignore the point, that she blamed bombings from the UK for the refugee crisis.Why are you so afraid to comment on that?

She has before and i know more so than you, as i have know her for years.I know she has because I once made the same piss poor arguments as she did and defended her.That is how I know.Again you ignore the point, that she blamed bombings from the UK for the refugee crisis.Why are you so afraid to comment on that?

She has before and i know more so than you, as i have know her for years.I know she has because I once made the same piss poor arguments as she did and defended her.That is how I know.Again you ignore the point, that she blamed bombings from the UK for the refugee crisis.Why are you so afraid to comment on that?

Because it's not relevant to what you accused her of in this thread.

Copout again.If she denies this, which I know she will not, then you can say as you please of me.

Now we have done with that, why not comment on her blaming Tommy and accusing him of the Syrian refugee crisis?

I totally agree that it shouldn't be the responsibility of an average, law-abiding member of any religion to speak out against the bad things done in the name of their faith -- except at a social level, when circumstances provide the opportunity.

On the other hand, Islam obviously has a real image problem, and it seems that more could be done by Islamic organizations and leaders to denounce terrorism. Not to say that they don't; after any Islamist attack, you can go to practically any Islamic organization's web site and find a statement condemning the attack. But I think they should work on raising the visibility of these condemnations, because they're far too easy for some people to disregard or ignore at the moment.

_________________"There's no map, shows where I'm goin' ... and I can't say, just where I've been."

Syl wrote:Good for them.I feel sorry for law abiding Muslims in any country when atrocities like this happen in the name of their religion.

I know Irish people were targeted when they opened their mouths in certain places of the UK when the IRA were terrorising, Muslim men dont have to speak, they look the part.

Every time these vile acts are committed it makes the lives of ordinary peace loving men and women harder.

Showing solidarity with the victims and publicly speaking out against the hate is of course the right thing to do.

Its hard not to be angry that it keeps happening, but you are right that many law abiding Muslims are not culpable for these acts. Where in fact, they are by far, suffer the most victims from Islamic terrorism.

I remember to the hate directed at the Irish, during the height of the IRA. When some found out my mother as Irish, I received countless abuse. What they failed to grasp was that also i have lost uncles to the IRA, as both worked for the RUC.

Its great that Muslims are coming forward with money, but to me, they need to be the ones that tackle Islamic extremism and to do this, means challenging Islamic doctrine and the hate spouted against the west. Or the global view wrongly held that this is because of western imperialism or collateral damage to air attacks. That is excusing the hate preached against non-Muslims and the west. This is also a major problem and goes unchallenged. Even many progressive Muslims constantly say, this would not happen due to bombings. That is excusing terrorism. Which is also very insulting considering the west has stepped into save Bosnia, the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban and yet hate more where sadly there has been accidental loss of life through bombings, than the crimes committed by the Taliban. Or mass murder by Assad, Saddam and ISIS are seen as lesser evils than western intervention and help. This has to change and why these views help turn Muslims to terrorism. As blame is directed away from the real reason. Islamic supremacy and hate preached.

Of course people are angry, and fearful, and I can understand why some are suspicious of Muslims in general. Its human nature when men who have the same look, darker skinned, bearded, obviously Asian are in our midst....they look and sound like the people who are carrying out the terrorism.Like I said, Irish people, when the IRA were active , were often treated with suspicion, as you yourself found Thor, I knew some Irish people myself who said they were almost afraid to speak in public because of the reactions they got off strangers....and thats sad.

Like you said you lost family members when the IRA were attacking, many Muslim people are being killed by the Muslim extremist, they dont care who they are killing, its all indiscrimate to them...tha'ts what hatred does to people.

The best way they can fight this is by speaking out...some do, not enough, the young man who shouted "You aint no Muslim bruv" did more in those 5 words than many Elders ever do.

_________________My body is in Manchester (sometimes) my mind's all over the place (always)Happy now??

Its hard not to be angry that it keeps happening, but you are right that many law abiding Muslims are not culpable for these acts. Where in fact, they are by far, suffer the most victims from Islamic terrorism.

I remember to the hate directed at the Irish, during the height of the IRA. When some found out my mother as Irish, I received countless abuse. What they failed to grasp was that also i have lost uncles to the IRA, as both worked for the RUC.

Its great that Muslims are coming forward with money, but to me, they need to be the ones that tackle Islamic extremism and to do this, means challenging Islamic doctrine and the hate spouted against the west. Or the global view wrongly held that this is because of western imperialism or collateral damage to air attacks. That is excusing the hate preached against non-Muslims and the west. This is also a major problem and goes unchallenged. Even many progressive Muslims constantly say, this would not happen due to bombings. That is excusing terrorism. Which is also very insulting considering the west has stepped into save Bosnia, the people of Afghanistan from the Taliban and yet hate more where sadly there has been accidental loss of life through bombings, than the crimes committed by the Taliban. Or mass murder by Assad, Saddam and ISIS are seen as lesser evils than western intervention and help. This has to change and why these views help turn Muslims to terrorism. As blame is directed away from the real reason. Islamic supremacy and hate preached.

Of course people are angry, and fearful, and I can understand why some are suspicious of Muslims in general. Its human nature when men who have the same look, darker skinned, bearded, obviously Asian are in our midst....they look and sound like the people who are carrying out the terrorism.Like I said, Irish people, when the IRA were active , were often treated with suspicion, as you yourself found Thor, I knew some Irish people myself who said they were almost afraid to speak in public because of the reactions they got off strangers....and thats sad.

Like you said you lost family members when the IRA were attacking, many Muslim people are being killed by the Muslim extremist, they dont care who they are killing, its all indiscrimate to them...tha'ts what hatred does to people.

The best way they can fight this is by speaking out...some do, not enough, the young man who shouted "You aint no Muslim bruv" did more in those 5 words than many Elders ever do.

Did he?

What did he really achieve by saying "you are not Muslim bruv"?

Nothing, when none of us have the right to say who is religious or not

What he should of said is you is that you show disgrace to islam.

None of have the right to claim who is or not a follower of a religion

So how did he in those 5 words stop this attack?

He never did.

If he had of spoken out on he hate promoted against the west as blame, that would have been a start

If he had of looked to cast the west helping Muslims in Bosnia and Afghanistan and not more evil than the taliban to them. That would have been a start.

Ho is casting someone not as they are helpful?

As I guarantee you, those that supported the attacker, saw them as very much Muslim?

I agree its wrong to hold Muslims with suspicion, but I also think its wrong. There is a mandate to hate the west, when they help Muslim nations.

Of course people are angry, and fearful, and I can understand why some are suspicious of Muslims in general. Its human nature when men who have the same look, darker skinned, bearded, obviously Asian are in our midst....they look and sound like the people who are carrying out the terrorism.Like I said, Irish people, when the IRA were active , were often treated with suspicion, as you yourself found Thor, I knew some Irish people myself who said they were almost afraid to speak in public because of the reactions they got off strangers....and thats sad.

Like you said you lost family members when the IRA were attacking, many Muslim people are being killed by the Muslim extremist, they dont care who they are killing, its all indiscrimate to them...tha'ts what hatred does to people.

The best way they can fight this is by speaking out...some do, not enough, the young man who shouted "You aint no Muslim bruv" did more in those 5 words than many Elders ever do.

Did he?

What did he really achieve by saying "you are not Muslim bruv"?

Nothing, when none of us have the right to say who is religious or not

What he should of said is you is that you show disgrace to islam.

None of have the right to claim who is or not a follower of a religion

So how did he in those 5 words stop this attack?

He never did.

If he had of spoken out on he hate promoted against the west as blame, that would have been a start

If he had of looked to cast the west helping Muslims in Bosnia and Afghanistan and not more evil than the taliban to them. That would have been a start.

Ho is casting someone not as they are helpful?

As I guarantee you, those that supported the attacker, saw them as very much Muslim?

I agree its wrong to hold Muslims with suspicion, but I also think its wrong. There is a mandate to hate the west, when they help Muslim nations.

I believe he did help, his remark wasn't rehearsed, it was a gut reaction from a member of the public who bravely spoke out when he saw someone commit a violent attack in the name of their religion.

His point was violence and extremism has nothing to do with any religion.

Maybe people who connect the two listened to what he said and realised he was dead right.

_________________My body is in Manchester (sometimes) my mind's all over the place (always)Happy now??

Syl wrote:Well it has helped by pointing out that Muslims dont attack or kill indiscriminately.

He wasnt even a Muslim himself, which makes his words even more powerful imo.

If he can see that violent acts of terrorism have nothing to do religion, so should others.

1) Has it? How?

Muslims who are fundamentalists kill indiscriminately

2) He was a Muslim, as he claimed to be.#

3) So why do people commit violent acts in the name of religion Syl?

The man who said 'You aint no Muslim Bruv' wasn't a Muslim. He was just a member of the public who spoke out.

People commit violent acts in the name of religion use their faith as an excuse, something to cover their hatred with, and probably because somewhere down the line they have been brainwashed or radicalized by others of the same mindset.

_________________My body is in Manchester (sometimes) my mind's all over the place (always)Happy now??

The man who said 'You aint no Muslim Bruv' wasn't a Muslim. He was just a member of the public who spoke out.

People commit violent acts in the name of religion use their faith as an excuse, something to cover their hatred with, and probably because somewhere down the line they have been brainwashed or radicalized by others of the same mindset.