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Comment by knofle

Comment by Carighan

This spell will probably get changed to one of the following two (with the first being a lot more likely):a) Every Warlock can only have one Seed active at any given time.b) Damage from a Seed exploding is not counted towards the trigger of any other Seeds in the area.

And _possibly_ it'll be both.

Comment by skitzosmeagol

This spell is amazing in AV from what i hear, put i on a couple people along with the other dots, they see their life dropping and retreat, and end up retreating to their team and blow 1/2 of them up.

Comment by Frisbee

LOLOL - This is balanced. Haha - Can't wait to hit 70! With spell damage bonuses, this thing will AOE over 3K damage per seed, and there's no cooldown listed???

Keep the void out, run into a group, cast 3 seed of corruptions, sac the void when you need to, and double dot everything else. Not even counting your corruption and curse of agony that probably tick for 4K, you have a guaranteed 8-9K AOE shadow damage from your 3 seeds. LOLOL.

Good stuff.

Comment by Gemzi

Seems bugged atm and is not working as intended, it ticks 1-2 times and then its gone from the mob.

Sent in a ticket about it and it was a known bug.

Comment by tbone47

Seems to work fine for me, just realize that 1044 damage goes FAST, so the bomb can go off almost immediately. I'm sitting at around +821 damage, and after like 2 ticks of my siphon life and SoC, the thing goes off.

Comment by ariochiv

I wonder, does Seed of Corruption benefit from any of the Corruption talents (Improved Corruption, Empowered Corruption)?

Comment by ariochiv

I gather from the spell description that you can't use Corruption and Seed of Corruption on the same target at the same time.

Comment by Hobbes

Unfortunately SoC does not benefit from corruption talents

Comment by Leona

Only Contagion will help SoC. Even then, it's a pitiful 1% for every talent point.

Comment by frmorrison

5% more damage isn't pitiful, and the 10% more shadow damage talent affects the spell as well.

To get this AoE going faster, is cast it on a few mobs, then Shadowburn one to start the fun.

One note that is not obvious is the AoE of the seed will not affect the mob that the seed is placed on, just the ones around it.

Comment by IronSoul231

Don't forget that contagion gives a 30% chance to not be dispelled. This is less useful in PvE, but is HUGE in PvP.

I've seen situations where a priest that I've put UA and SoC on will attempt to dispel it to save the group, dispel UA and get crit, and NOT dispel SoC, only to have it blow up the group anyways.

Of course I've also seen them dispel SoC and not UA, so it goes both ways.

Comment by rlyeh

From a Horde perspective - a pair of lvl 70 Warlocks using this and UA together can rip apart a bottleneck defense at the bridge in AV or anywhere for that matter. Have you ever seen anything so beautiful as 4 of these going off with UAs on people? The panic that ensues is unbelievable.

Bottleneck breaker spell in PvP. Actually you can pair this with either UA or Shadowfury to completely wreck a group's composure. Sprinkle on a little Rain of Fire with talents adding stun% and you're melting faces off.

Comment by tides

Note that the seed explodes when the target takes a total of 1044 dmg. This damage can come from your other DoTs, or the seed itself. Regardless, the seed will explode before it's own DoT can take it's course if you've been damaging the target with other spells. This is why the you sometimes cast the seed and it then blows 3 sec later.

Comment by Venox

This is a very useful spell to farm with, contrary to what others might believe. It does take a bit of skill and eventually luck to get it to work right though. Near Manaforge B'naar in the Netherstorm, one could send a voidwalker (or a Felguard) to round up various Geologists and Engineers around the area, getting 5 to 6 or even more is ideal. Though this becomes more risky with larger numbers of course. Anyhow if you're able to get at least 3~4 SoC's off on the groups, and keep them rounded up, you'll be able to annihilate the entire group.

Of course there are several drawbacks, which will probably outweight the advantages in some eyes. Obviously if at any point in this does a mob or two miss out in the explosions, or if your voidwalker/felguard die, you'll be in a whole lot of trouble. But it's interesting to try nonetheless.

Comment by webkilla

from what I can see then the burst damage in the end

DOES GO TOWARDS PROCING OTHER SEED DETONATIONS

I pray that this isn't nerfed - since this is surely the greatest farming or multi-mob-killing tool in the game... seriouly

slap three or more a group of mobs... add a lil dmg to trigger one - the lot goes off - everyone is dead - you loot :D

Comment by Carighan

It doesn't.

To explain it in detail, this is how Seed of Corruption works:

First, you cast SoC on a few targets. On each of them, a DoT begins to tick.As soon as one of the targets has taken 1044 total damage from _whatever_ source (this means on the boss in a raidfight it will go off virtually instantly), the Seed-DoT ends in the explosion.

This explosion damage is the only type of damage I could find which is not counted towards the 1044 damage for triggering a Seed. Means it cannot chain - or at least, not directly. ;)

Because the Seed also explodes if the afflicted target dies while it's on it. This produces no graphical effect but you can see it from the damage numbers above other enemies' heads - and it seems to be a different spelleffect as this type of explosion CAN trigger other Seeds.

In other words, to get a "chain" of explosions you need the enemies with their HP staggered in such a way that from each new explosion, another enemy dies with the seed on him. Start with one nearly dead, SoC it, then send a Shadow Bolt after it.Target dies, explodes (no graphics!), next target in range gets hit from the AE, dies, had SoC on it, triggers on death (no graphics!), hits a third target with the AE. And so on.

In short:1.) As expected, the DoT-damage scales with your +spelldamage gear, as does the AE-damage.2.) Unexpectedly (at least for me), the triggerdamage of 1044 does not scale - this means that SoC will trigger itself before 18 seconds pass, even if nothing else happens (9 seconds do it for me).3.) If the AE is triggered by the enemy taking 1044 damage, it is not counted towards other Seed-triggers on adjacent targets.4.) If the AE is triggered by the enemy dying, then it IS counted towards other triggers nearby.

Comment by Lilleond

This + Shadowfury = HUGE, HUGE AoE damage. Mages will cry by warlocks replacing all f their aoe with SoC, warlocks have become even more overpowered :D

Comment by Demonsummor

Hmm.. This is rank 1.. Anyone know if there is coming a rank 2? Normally there doesnt stand anything if not.

Comment by Gutts

this spell can crit so walocks should be careful when to apply it.Best if you leta mage get all the aggro beofre you spam it on the mobs.

Comment by fish012933

Does the aggro goes to the one who cause the explosion or to the warlock?

Comment by Laoghaire

The damage needed to make the bomb go off is added up from all effects, from all players attacking the target... It took me a while to figure it out too =)And don't bother using the seed if there's only one enemy by himself, the bomb doesn't affect the carrier.

Comment by littlidabbi

Warning : Seed of Corruption explodes through floors and walls and can pull mobs from other levels and rooms(Common in Scholo pulling the basement and mobs in rooms below u at Gandling). So avoid using Seed of Corruption in instances with 2 levels or rooms close to each other.

Comment by sainter

I think it's also important to note that the more mobs you pull the less damage the seed causes... i know it sounds stupid but i've tried pulling all of SM, applying 5 seeds to find that it didnt even kill anything.. the seeds were exploding for 300..

another time this has happened was against illhoof when there were a lot of imps alive..

So yeah, be careful, dont pull too many :P

Comment by ageric

There is a cap to how much damage an aoe spell can cause in total. I don't know what the cap is, but pulling an entire lowbie instance and trying to AoE them all at the end can turn out to be painful without a healer.

Comment by Shmoof

I actually tried this in SM with a friend. We pulled the entire inside of Cathedral and when i SoC'ed about 6-8 mobs they were only taking 300-500ish damage per blast.... and then we died.

Comment by Anassar

I have been told that the cap is 10x what unmitigated damage versus one target would be. So if you hit 20 mobs with one SoC, they all take half damage.

Comment by Scivar

It's good to use against non-elite adds in dungeons, basically kills all in range instantly.

Comment by Rotwing

I've found that a good way to instantly trigger the explosion is throw a Shadowburn right after you apply the Seed. Can be very useful in situations when you want the Seed to explode as quickly as possible.

Comment by smdante

In battlegrounds...

If you find that an opponent is taking a lot of damage in a huge cluster 'em but is being healed through it by a healer, casting curse of tongue on the healer and spamming the seed on the one taking the damage will cause lots of numbers fly and wipe out lots quickly.

The explosion is even more damage than a shadow bolt... but to multiple targets. It can be very mean when you can find a chance to use it.

Comment by mcmuff

It did 2-3k more DMG than usually, 60000yd range, instant cast, AoE-spell and you could also cast it while dead as a ghost.

And you said fear was OP ;D

(got fixed pretty fast)

Comment by POINGjam

Is the AoE range of this spell affected by Grim Reach?

Comment by MindlessSheep

It does not, but the cast range is increased to 36 yards with 2 points in it. The explosion is always 15 yards.

Comment by malathar

So everyone says that the explosion proc from Seed doesn't affect the carrier. But earlier today in Sethekk Halls, I had a seed reflected back onto me. When it proc'd it hit me for 1200 dmg and it hit the mob next to me for 2500. So anyone explain why this seed did 1200 dmg to me at once if it doesn't affect the carrier?

Comment by Straia

It's likely that something hit you for 1200 and caused the seed to proc. 1044 damage from any source will cause the seed to explode.

Comment by Crimewave

Very fun to run lowbies through instances with.

Comment by Majikthise

Makes flamestrike look like childs play.

Comment by NaraRaven

As a 70 BElf lock i have to say it has got to be one of my favorite abilities. Its great to use in AV is u see a huge group of people put it on like 3-5 people and just watch the fireworks!

Comment by Tankadin

i'd just like to say (as a mage) flamestrike is childsplay

this move tears everything(and everyone) apart this is the one spell that is arguabily better then any AoE spell a mage has talented or otherwise...i may reroll a lock for this and many other reasons though i have to say this seems somewhat OP but if i'm correct it can be removed which helps...ALOT

Comment by CaptainUnusual

This is useful for farming large numbers of lower level mobs, such as the eels in zangarmarsh which drop motes of water. I can gather 5 or 6, then cast 3 of these, and collect the motes.

Just be sure not to cast the first seed on the target the felguard is attacking. If you do, it will go off early, and you'll aggro all the mobs.

Comment by DrPancake

The Polymorph is because they are different Spells. Mobs using the same spell will get the same result, barring Diminishing Returns, as players using said spell. And even then: If a spell is reflected, it counts as you casting the spell on yourself, not the mob casting it at you. Straia's more likely correct.

Comment by BigRedBrent

They need to make Fel Concentration apply to this spell as well so that I no longer need to use hellfire or rain of fire.

Comment by billybobjunior

Using this DoT on an afflic lock is real powerful. An afflic lock can siphon life agony corrupt unstable afflict immolate and SoC. Also the after effects r real cool and work real good in AV and EoS...practically any bg :P

Comment by warcanon

Once you have started to use this spell on your 70 72 warlock, you will curse your other non-70 72 locks for NOT having this spell.PURE love and DESTRUCTION (it's an affliction spell) at first cast.

Comment by POINGjam

Seed of Corruption is about to get a big buff with the changes to spell pushback in the expansion. Speccing Affliction is the best way to increase the damage of Seed of Corruption, but an Affliction Warlock tends to self-tank (rather than using the Felguard or improved Voidwalker), so it has a hard time seeding mobs while being attacked by a group.

Post-WOTLK, spell pushback won't exceed one second per cast, thus making Seed of Corruption usable while under attack from a group.

Comment by incoming00

originally, when casting seed of corruption, attempting corruption will create an error message to pop up and indicate a stronger spell is active. now, after the 3.0.2 patch, it appears that casting corruption will now replace the seed of corruption.

Comment by br459jr

terrible for PvE! warlocks get so screwed in end game.

Comment by reodlive

Careful when using easy to steal threat from tank with multi mobs.

Comment by Rauven

Why did you purge this guy's comment?Actually, i am having the same problem. The seed ticks 1-2 times and it's gone, no blast, nothing.... Tried her all by herself, just to make sure, and still nothing, 1-2 ticks and *ninja vanish*... I'll try and report it and see what feedback they give me.

Comment by Hideharu

I play on Alleria for the Horde where the Alliance greatly outnumber us (no idea how the other servers are). I have yet to enter Wintergrasp and not have at least 35000 - 40000 health (usually 13000) from the bonus.

With that said... the seed of corruption is one of the most devastating spells out there if you can actually cast it without being jumped. Since there's so many of them, all I have to do is run up to a massive fight just close enough to cast and start throwing them out there... I've seen it hit for over 10000 on each target. It's not hard to find someone retreating into the group either... which is a great place to plant a seed.

Also nice when attacking the castle. When someone is standing on the walls by the towers, you hit them with it and something else causing them to flee near the others who are usually hiding behind the wall.

Comment by yiNXs

The spellpower coefficient of the dot is 25% per tick, but the blast only has about 21% SP coefficient, like an instant cast AOE blast such as the mage's Arcane Explosion. I was hoping for more, considering the cast time, but I guess that would probably make it too powerful.

If it could run full time, the DOT itself would be one of the strongest DoT's a warlock has, strong basepower and a great coefficient, but because the damage cap is fixed at 1518, the final blast will happen faster depending on SP (assuming it's the only source of damage). Here is the the DOT live time vs SP table:

Of course, talents, (de)buffs, procs, etc. will also affect this, so this is just a rough guideline. I found it useful to know this for timing and aggro prevention reasons.

Comment by SpiderGames

This spell is chainable. I was helping a guildy in the hillsbrad foothills and a lvl 50 rogue thought he would sneak in and kill my guildy. I had SoC on about six mobs after pulling half the farm. the rogue came out of stealth behind my guildy, i use my rocket launcher from Engineering. Hit one of the farmers and BOOM! Everything within a 40 yard radius was destroyed, including the rogue =D.

Comment by tom226

what happons if the target dies b4 1044 shadow dmg is taken?

Comment by Kaynos

This spell is 100% Win in AV. Cast that when the other team is turtling then sit back and enjoy the numbers.

Comment by Martie

I've been wondering about this spell.

I remember back in BC, it was lovely to team up with a lock on my tank, pull all the mobs I could find, and have them all die in a few seconds.

But the spell damage coefficient for the AoE ability is rather low - is that an issue, or is it powerful enough to pull threat easily on trash packs in places like Naxx?

Comment by Dip0sable13

wasnt there something that could reduce the cast time on Seed? aside from haste rating, i swore ive seen something that reduces it to a 1.5 cast time.

either that was in BC or something, or i was simply dreaming or imagining something.

If they survived your original 2 attacks, chances are they won't have much life left and the next 2 should finish them off! Even if you die, your group will finish them off and you'll be that much closer to finish.

Little tip if there's healers during the SoC spam... aim the attack to long range casters such as locks, mages and hunters since their going to be closer to the healers and most healers pay more attention to the front lines where the melee are. You'll wipe out all the melees support including the healers and then it's easy pickings!

Don't have Shadowfury?No problem... 1st cast http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47836then if your affliction pop some http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47843 and the same target... What's the first thing a healer will try to do? dispell (if possible). If your lucky and you get a priest to use mass dispell, the unstable affliction will instantly kill him since each one of your targets should have a SoC + UA.

so if you fought 20 mobs, it would deal 500 dmg per mob50 mobs is 200 dmg a targetif youre only fighting 5 for example it would still do 1000 dmg per target and not 2000 from 10 000 divided by 5

so 1000 dmg per NPC, when you gather more than 10 NPCs its single target dmg x 10 divided by number of NPCs

Comment by Jorre

The very last part of the tooltip confuses me.

"...Only one Corruption spell per Warlock can be active on any one target."I don't have acces to my account at the moment, so I can't check for myself, but when I read this I understand it as I can only cast SoC on one target at a time, thus, if I choose to cast it on another mob before it expires it's removed form the first mob. However when reading the comments and Warlock forum posts it seems this is not the case. Anyone feel like enlightening me?

...plus, if you'd like to share how this works out with ordinary corruption, feel free to do so!

Comment by Railander

This spell is possibly, if not, the strongest AE damaging spell currently in game, along with Volley and an Unholy DK's DoTs.

I coult reach 20k dps another day in an ICC 10m rep farm.

A comparison between a Destro lock's Rain of Fire and an Affli lock's Seed of Corruption can be:%+ from critical strikes:SoC=50% --------------- RoF=100%cast time between damage ticks:SoC=2 sec -------------- RoF=2 seccritical strike damage with ~3000 sp:SoC=5k and above --- RoF=~4knon-critical stirke damage with ~3000 sp:SoC=3.3k and above - RoF=~2k

Also I'd like to point out that after playing with both specs for a long period that SoC's coefficient (after all talents and similars) seems way higher than RoF's. a trinket proc for +600 sp would add only about 100 dmg crits to RoF while adding way more to SoC.

EDIT: Also note that this spell was changed to also damage its main target on the final blast. I do not know when this was changed but I could be almost 100% sure it wasn't like this back in TBC times.

Comment by lectrick

Is this one of the AOE's that breaks sheep? (Some do, some don't, lately)

Comment by Onijitsu

I bound two of my mouse-buttons -- the ones for going "forward" and "back", when browsing WoWhead.com -- to "next target" and "closest target". Toss out SoC, *click*, SoC, *click*. If you can get some decent haste going, through Eradication or a decent Trinket, you can do some MASSIVE damage in a very short period of time. (Although, you can use up your mana very, very quickly, doing so)

Comment by Khadhar

Does the seed bomb harm the target you cast it on now?

Comment by Dicoterra

Does the Glyph of Quick Decay effect this spell considering it is a corruption spell?

Comment by jh443

If you cast Haunt on the target, it replaces Seed of Corruption. I'm not sure why, but it does. Haunt and regular Corruption play well together.

Comment by Bishop36

Prune of Corruption

Comment by Hollingsworthrl

Does anyone have problems w/ SoC being spell reflected in the ICC heroics? I am forced to use RoF because I keep getting SoC used against me and instantly killing me and possibly others around me. LOL Really keeps me from doing as much damage as I'd like to be doing. :(

Comment by efirus

Sorry for a noobie question, but nevertheless I have to ask...

I was arguing with a friend of mine what is the most effective way to use SoC: my friend says that it does more DPS if you cast it on a single target one by one and it explodes immediately, but I'm sure that tab-spam on multiple targets would make more DPS...

So who is right?

Comment by Chaosmancer

The shadow damage bonus from Haunt also apply to SoC, making the damage even higher (20 or 23% depending on glyph).

Comment by Railander

Also note that the only thing that will not trigger the SoC explosion are other SoC explosions around the afflicted target which were also cast by you. SoC explosions from other warlocks will still trigger your own.This means if you intend to create a chain reaction while soloing, unless you use some other aoe spell to do so (Shadowflame or Shadowfury for instance) and assuming no other source of damage besides the SoC itself, each explosion will still happen one by one with (probably) the exact same time intervals which you casted each one.

Comment by Railander

The glyph will only affect Corruption. It says something like "your Corruption spell", not spells.

Comment by Tripster

Gah! They broke it in Cat! The Aoe effect only does 1/3 of the original damage! Or maybe the tooltip is just wrong...hopefully

Comment by Gimroth

Imbeds a demon seed in the enemy target...

Good thing they left out details regarding the application method, I honestly wouldn't want to know...

I suspect Seed of Life to be its sworn counterpart, or vice versa, depending on who you ask.

Comment by Lathdari

There seems to be something wrong with the way this scales. It only ever ticks once for me, at which point the target has taken 2033 damage, so the seed explodes, removing the dot. As a result, I'm hardly getting any benefit from the dot part, which removes any potential cleave utility.

Comment by jtunis

There seems to be something wrong with the way this scales. It only ever ticks once for me, at which point the target has taken 2033 damage, so the seed explodes, removing the dot. As a result, I'm hardly getting any benefit from the dot part, which removes any potential cleave utility.

I've been saying this to myself for a while. The explosion threshold on the spell doesn't scale, so eventually you'll only see one tick before the seed detonates. I think that Seed of Corruption needs to be redesigned. The DoT component doesn't serve a purpose, nor does the cast time. AoE abilities are generally instant.

Here's an idea: Remove the casting time and make the DoT component tick thrice over a flat 3 seconds (which scales) before detonation. Warlocks could then just target and DoT enemies; similar to the way Mages do with Living Bomb.

Comment by atftwinkie

Nobody has said anything about "imbed" being spelled wrong... Dev fail? XD

Comment by frizzle

I'm not perfect in English, but what is wrong with it?

Comment by Kanariya

Seed of Corruption now stacks with Corruption. It also will stack with a , allowing you to have two seeds on one target, without overwriting a Soulburned seed.

Comment by Clausi

is the Soulburn buffed dot of SoC

Comment by spikylock

Bull@#$% that they changed this from mana to soul shards. Thanks for making a struggling spec even weaker blizz, appreciate it.