They need more than 'someone said there was a fight' to get that one to fly. If they can articulate who said it and some more specifics it might, but I'm going out on a limb to say nobody gave the deputies their name when they reported the knife fight.

They need more than 'someone said there was a fight' to get that one to fly. If they can articulate who said it and some more specifics it might, but I'm going out on a limb to say nobody gave the deputies their name when they reported the knife fight.

We've had trouble with there being a Bexar St in Highland Village, and a Bexar Rd in Lewisville, about five miles away. 911 can't sort the two out. Heck, we've had trouble with FedEx not knowing the difference.

Honest Bender:I'm more surprised that misuse of the 911 system is an arrestable offense. I'd figure it was a ticket at most.

It should be in more places.

RogermcAllen:If the cops show up to your house and you didn't call them, isn't it standard operating procedure to call 911 to make sure they are real cops?

If you're driving and it's an unmarked car behind you, you can call 911 to ensure it's legit, or drive with your hazards on below the speed limit to a safe place before pulling over, i.e. a parking lot or resteraunt. If they show up at your house, just call the non-emergency line.

RogermcAllen:If the cops show up to your house and you didn't call them, isn't it standard operating procedure to call 911 to make sure they are real cops?

/not being stupid or sarcastic, this is a legit question

"Should I call 911 or not" is the reason I have the police's non-emergency phone number in my phone as well. I mean I could at least try it first and then use 911 if the situation escalated to emergency level.

They need more than 'someone said there was a fight' to get that one to fly. If they can articulate who said it and some more specifics it might, but I'm going out on a limb to say nobody gave the deputies their name when they reported the knife fight.

They charged him with making a fake 911 call.

Sounds to me like the call was justified.

If I had some outside my door claiming to be an officer I would call 911 to check out their story

The point isn't to make it go to trail, the point is that he questioned police authoritay and must be punished, even if that means just taking him downtown and keeping him overnight. Maybe even try to get him to put up some sort of bail.

The point isn't to make it go to trail, the point is that he questioned police authoritay and must be punished, even if that means just taking him downtown and keeping him overnight. Maybe even try to get him to put up some sort of bail.

Even the article directly contradicts what you say.

FTFA: Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.

He wasn't arrested for telling them to get out. He was arrested for calling 911 to biatch about something. Not what 911 is for, and not what a dispatcher is there for.

hardinparamedicFTFA: Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.He wasn't arrested for telling them to get out. He was arrested for calling 911 to biatch about something. Not what 911 is for, and not what a dispatcher is there for.

I would call 911 if officers went into my residence uninvited and refused to leave when asked.

Cops - We are here to investigate an injuryKid- Get outCops - We cant do that until we know no one is injuredKid - I am calling 911Cops - Sir we are law officers if this is an emergency we are here to helpKid- Hello 911 cops wont leave my houseCops- Sir calling 911 to complain that the cops are here is not appropriate use of the service if you don't hang up we will have to take action for improper use of the serviceKid- Go fark yourself get out of my houseCops - Begins to arrest kid

Enemabag Jones:hardinparamedicFTFA: Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.He wasn't arrested for telling them to get out. He was arrested for calling 911 to biatch about something. Not what 911 is for, and not what a dispatcher is there for.

I would call 911 if officers went into my residence uninvited and refused to leave when asked.

So would anyone. But that's not what happened. To reiterate:

That's when Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.

In other words, he didn't call 911 to see IF the deputies were supposed to be there, or BECAUSE they weren't leaving. He called to complain that they were there at all. There's a big difference between "There are some deputies here and they won't leave" and "There are some deputies here and it's pissing me off" you know.

I know you hate cops and wish they were all dead. But even you need to understand that sometimes the civilian is in the wrong.

Gyrfalcon,In other words, he didn't call 911 to see IF the deputies were supposed to be there, or BECAUSE they weren't leaving. He called to complain that they were there at all. There's a big difference between "There are some deputies here and they won't leave" and "There are some deputies here and it's pissing me off" you know.I know you hate cops and wish they were all dead. But even you need to understand that sometimes the civilian is in the in the wrong.

OK, where do I start.

I don't wish all cops dead. And some are decent human beings except that they allow their corrupt co-worker to continue on doing what they do. I do wish cops with power issues who see those whom they should be protecting as the enemy gone from the force. And if they end up while dead giving out a ticket on the side of the highway, well they is why their job is number 12th or 13th most dangerous in the United States.

If a cop invites themselves into a party and says 'we have a report someone was stabbed here'.....I then first of all how does the arrested person know that was bullshiat from the cop or not? I sure as hell would confirm that with the 911 dispatcher when I asked them to leave. I don't see the difference between "There are some deputies here and they won't leave" and "There are some deputies here and it's pissing me off" you know." How do you know what happened in that conversation? There is not difference in how you follow up on that situation from what facts we have access to.

I know you hate cops and wish they were all dead. But even you need to understand that sometimes the civilian is in the in the wrong.Finally, the fact that you unironically cited cop vs civilian, WTF.

hardinparamedic Enemabag Jones: I would call 911 if officers went into my residence uninvited and refused to leave when asked.They refused to leave?Really.Since I've read the article: [Citation Needed]

"Deputies said Tillmon was apparently annoyed by their presence, so he confronted them. That's when Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.The deputies apprehended Tillmon and charged him with misusing the emergency call system. He was booked into the Volusia County Branch Jail."

"Complaining about them" could mean complaining about the fact that they entered their home. And we don't know why the arrested person did and didn't know about the alleged stabbing (not) further mentioned in that article.

The point isn't to make it go to trail, the point is that he questioned police authoritay and must be punished, even if that means just taking him downtown and keeping him overnight. Maybe even try to get him to put up some sort of bail.

Even the article directly contradicts what you say.

FTFA: Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.

He wasn't arrested for telling them to get out. He was arrested for calling 911 to biatch about something. Not what 911 is for, and not what a dispatcher is there for.

Not seeing the part where it contradicts what I said. If he believed that the police were in his home illegally (I'm not saying they were) then calling while they were still there seems appropriate. Or do you not believe 911 is for reporting a crime in progress? Or do you think that if you witness police doing something illegal you should just let it slide?

If they had already left, then perhaps there is a non-emergency number he could have called. In my area the non-emergency line connects to 911 outside of business hours.

I would look forward to seeing the resolution of this matter but it will probably be settled quietly.

Enemabag Jones:"Deputies said Tillmon was apparently annoyed by their presence, so he confronted them. That's when Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.The deputies apprehended Tillmon and charged him with misusing the emergency call system. He was booked into the Volusia County Branch Jail."

"Complaining about them" could mean complaining about the fact that they entered their home. And we don't know why the arrested person did and didn't know about the alleged stabbing (not) further mentioned in that article.

Ahem.

Your claim was they refused to leave, and that's why he was arrested. [Citation Needed], still.

At any rate, using the 911 system to complain on the cops IS an abuse of the system. It is not what it's designed for, and not what that dispatcher is there for. You tie up a line and a dispatcher that would be better served helping someone with an actual emergency.

Hilariously, had he actually spent a second and called the non-emergency line like someone with some damn common sense, we wouldn't even be reading about this.

hardinparamedic Enemabag Jones: "Deputies said Tillmon was apparently annoyed by their presence, so he confronted them. That's when Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.The deputies apprehended Tillmon and charged him with misusing the emergency call system. He was booked into the Volusia County Branch Jail.""Complaining about them" could mean complaining about the fact that they entered their home. And we don't know why the arrested person did and didn't know about the alleged stabbing (not) further mentioned in that article.Ahem.Your claim was they refused to leave, and that's why he was arrested. [Citation Needed], still.At any rate, using the 911 system to complain on the cops IS an abuse of the system. It is not what it's designed for, and not what that dispatcher is there for. You tie up a line and a dispatcher that would be better served helping someone with an actual emergency.Hilariously, had he actually spent a second and called the non-emergency line like someone with some damn common sense, we wouldn't even be reading about this.

So now you have to go through non-emergency lines to not break laws when you have a cop in your residence and you don't know why.

At any rate, using the 911 system to complain on the cops IS an abuse of the system. It is not what it's designed for, and not what that dispatcher is there for.

But what if it is the police abusing the system, say police invited themselves in and you think they legally should not be there. Or is it impossible for police to abuse the system?I think the dispatcher would be the one able to advise him of a possible call on a stabbing.

The police have your back, so you have theirs. No problem, I understand where you are coming from.

Enemabag Jones:So now you have to go through non-emergency lines to not break laws when you have a cop in your residence and you don't know why.

The police in TFA clearly identified themselves, and identified the reason they were there. The only reason they entered into the residence was because they had a report someone there was stabbed and no one came to the door after they identified themselves, which falls under exigent circumstances.

Enemabag Jones:But what if it is the police abusing the system, say police invited themselves in and you think they legally should not be there. Or is it impossible for police to abuse the system?

Brilliant strawman, and a red herring to boot. Stay on topic and stop with the personal insults and hyperbole.

Let's ignore this for a moment, and use some common sense. The cops have just visited your home, for which you believe they have abused their power. So the smartest thing you can possibly do is break the law to gripe to someone who has no other power than to send those same police back to your house to take a report on the matter? Or do you think the dispatcher in a city of 81,000 people is also their commander playing double duty?

Enemabag Jones:I think the dispatcher would be the one able to advise him of a possible call on a stabbing.

The dispatcher is not going to tell you shiat on an active incident - especially one that involves someone being stabbed. All they're going to do is tell you those really are cops at your door. At this point, the police had already identified themselves in TFA, and he had told them to leave. There was no emergency.

So yes. He broke the law by calling 911 just to biatch that the cops came and paid him a visit, on a situation that was already a false call to begin with.

Enemabag Jones:The police have your back, so you have theirs. No problem, I understand where you are coming from.

Oh shut up and get off your cross. If you can't be mature and discuss TFA, then politely excuse yourself and stop responding to my posts. Stop acting like a child.

wildcardjack:We've had trouble with there being a Bexar St in Highland Village, and a Bexar Rd in Lewisville, about five miles away. 911 can't sort the two out. Heck, we've had trouble with FedEx not knowing the difference.

Hell, when I lived in Michigan, there were two seperate cities, seperated by ~300 miles, named 'Houghton' and 'Houghton Lake' that got confused so frequently that we actually developed a policy to keep our flights from winding up at the wrong one:

hardinparamedic:Soup4Bonnie: Really? You had to arrest the kid? Trained peace keepers couldn't come up with a better solution? Lame.

For abuse of the 911 system? Baton to the nutsack. And 18 isn't a kid - and he should damn well know better.

He wasn't abusing the 911 system. The cops were breaking into his house. They had no warrant. If the cops break into my house without a warrant, I'll call, and I'm decades past 18. The article makes it sound like they didn't leave when he told them to, but either way, they broke into his house, so the only question is "he's reporting a crime in progress" or "he's reporting a crime that just happened". One way or another, they had no warrant and barged into his house.

I suspect they were going to arrest him for something, so when he called 911, that was their excuse. If that hadn't done it, they would have found another excuse.

hardinparamedic:Let's ignore this for a moment, and use some common sense. The cops have just visited your home, for which you believe they have abused their power. So the smartest thing you can possibly do is break the law to gripe to someone who has no other power than to send those same police back to your house to take a report on the matter? Or do you think the dispatcher in a city of 81,000 people is also their commander playing double duty?

Just a bit earlier in the thread, you were screaming "CITATION NEEDED" because people said the cops refused to leave.

JuggleGeek:He wasn't abusing the 911 system. The cops were breaking into his house.

TFA disagrees with your narrative of the event. The cops had a report of someone being stabbed at the residence, knocked on the door and identified themselves. At that point, they had exigent circumstanceto enter the residence as they believed someone's life was in danger.

JuggleGeek:They had no warrant. If the cops break into my house without a warrant, I'll call, and I'm decades past 18.

JuggleGeek:The article makes it sound like they didn't leave when he told them to, but either way, they broke into his house, so the only question is "he's reporting a crime in progress" or "he's reporting a crime that just happened". One way or another, they had no warrant and barged into his house.

The article actually says that he told them to leave and then called 911 to complain on them.

JuggleGeek:I suspect they were going to arrest him for something, so when he called 911, that was their excuse. If that hadn't done it, they would have found another excuse.

hardinparamedic Enemabag Jones: So now you have to go through non-emergency lines to not break laws when you have a cop in your residence and you don't know why.[Citation needed]It is not believable that someone made a call on a cell at a party regarding a stabbing and the owner of the house does not know about it? How can I give you a citation for that?

The police in TFA clearly identified themselves, and identified the reason they were there. The only reason they entered into the residence was because they had a report someone there was stabbed and no one came to the door after they identified themselves, which falls under exigent circumstances.Once again, did the caller know that? Police can say they went into your place because they smelled gas or weed, that does not make a cop full of shiat.Enemabag Jones: But what if it is the police abusing the system, say police invited themselves in and you think they legally should not be there. Or is it impossible for police to abuse the system?Brilliant strawman, and a red herring to boot. Stay on topic and stop with the personal insults and hyperbole.No it is not, it is a very good point. Police cross the line all the time.

Let's ignore this for a moment, and use some common sense. The cops have just visited your home, for which you believe they have abused their power. So the smartest thing you can possibly do is break the law to gripe to someone who has no other power than to send those same police back to your house to take a report on the matter? Or do you think the dispatcher in a city of 81,000 people is also their commander playing double duty?If the dispatcher confirmed that stabbing report, then he should have hung up, if not he had a good question.

Enemabag Jones: I think the dispatcher would be the one able to advise him of a possible call on a stabbing.The dispatcher is not going to tell you shiat on an active incident - especially one that involves someone being stabbed. All they're going to do is tell you those really are cops at your door. At this point, the police had already identified themselves in TFA, and he had told them to leave. There was no emergency.When police invite themselves in your home and you don't know why I say it is.

So yes. He broke the law by calling 911 just to biatch that the cops came and paid him a visit, on a situation that was already a false call to begin with.Are you the jury? Be sure to send him to jail.

Enemabag Jones: The police have your back, so you have theirs. No problem, I understand where you are coming from.Oh shut up and get off your cross. If you can't be mature and discuss TFA, then politely excuse yourself and stop responding to my posts. Stop acting like a child.If you can't stop kissing cops ass then you should stop responding to my posts.

Enemabag Jones:If the dispatcher confirmed that stabbing report, then he should have hung up, if not he had a good question.

Actually, no. She/he cannot hang up. They have a script/QI guided program they run through with each 911 call. It ties up a dispatcher. And any 911 call made results in an officer, at the very least, being dispatched. Especially a false call or 911 hangup. They only get dispatched out as a low priority.

Enemabag Jones:When police invite themselves in your home and you don't know why I say it is.

The law disagrees with your opinion on the matter thanks to something called exigent circumstances. Regardless of what fantasy world you live in, the police are not going to go away when you tell them "no, no ones been stabbed here" and whistle inconspicuously.

You've just been biatching that there is no evidence that they didn't leave, and you've made the claim that he called 911 after they did leave, and now you are saying they didn't leave. You're just making shiat up right and left.

hardinparamedic:The law disagrees with your opinion on the matter thanks to something called exigent circumstances. Regardless of what fantasy world you live in, the police are not going to go away when you tell them "no, no ones been stabbed here" and whistle inconspicuously.

Nobody was arrested for a stabbing, as best I can tell. Sounds like made up BS to me.

hardinparamedic:JuggleGeek: Just a bit earlier in the thread, you were screaming "CITATION NEEDED" because people said the cops refused to leave.

By the same token, you have no evidence that they *did* leave.

Actually, a google search makes it even more lulzy. Marquel Tillmon, the guy arrested, was being questioned because he was the person accused of stabbing someone in a fight in the first place.

They didn't leave because they were questioning him.

You know, I really don't have an issue with cops entering warrantless on the possibility that someone inside the house is incapacitated. Even if they went to the wrong house. If some barged into my house and yelled 'where's the stabbing victim?'/'old lady with a heart attack'/'baby that's not breathing and turning blue' I wouldn't have any issue whatever.

However.

What's the legal ramifications of entering without a warrant on the pretense of exigence, and then somehow 'discovering' the alleged stabber, a person for whom you might not have had a warrant? Is any of that admissible, now? Or is this a new tactic to get into a residence for which you don't have a search warrant?

"Hey, Joe, it's possible there's a stabber at 123 Oak. Can we get a warrant?""Not at this time of night with the judge that's on...hang on (dials 911) Hey...I...I've been stabbed...yes I live at 123 Oak...arrrrrggggh""Ok, that ought to do it"

Sort of a reverse SWATting. Call 911 yourself and report an emergency, then respond to your own call. Instawarrant. It's the sort of thing FOP would promulgate.

How about no, I'm not trolling. Go f*ck yourself. You might be a lot less hostile over something you have no personal interest in if you did. Masturbation is very therapeutic for anger issues.

JuggleGeek:You've just been biatching that there is no evidence that they didn't leave, and you've made the claim that he called 911 after they did leave, and now you are saying they didn't leave. You're just making shiat up right and left.

hardinparamedic,Fine points above, regarding the stabbing, but even before you knew this, you supported the police 100%.As the thread developed, he was going be arrested for something, even jaywalking.But before you knew this, you still came down on the side of law enforcement:

Enemabag Jones: I would call 911 if officers went into my residence uninvited and refused to leave when asked.They refused to leave?Really.Since I've read the article: [Citation Needed]

hardinparamedic:erewhon: Call 911 yourself and report an emergency, then respond to your own call.

Wow. You've been reading John Grishom, haven't you?

That would actually be a pretty interesting and devious abuse of power.

We used to do analogous stuff. I especially enjoyed when you did an interrogation and got nothing, but knew the guy was up to no good. So you drop them back at their residence and have the translator embed guy thank him profusely for his assistance in front of his neighbors. He'll be in begging to tell you stuff in exchange for protection within a few days.

hardinparamedic:Enemabag Jones: If you can't stop kissing cops ass then you should stop responding to my posts.

Apparently not living in a hyperbolic fantasy land is "kissing ass". You're so adorable. The deputies were told that the individual arrested was actually the person who was accused of knifing someone, and were questioning him when he decided to call 911. They had already identified themselves to the entire party.

Enemabag Jones: It is not believable that someone made a call on a cell at a party regarding a stabbing and the owner of the house does not know about it? How can I give you a citation for that?

Yeah. That's not what happened.

Enemabag Jones: Once again, did the caller know that? Police can say they went into your place because they smelled gas or weed, that does not make a cop full of shiat.

Again. That's not what happened. Don't let the fact you can actually listen to the 911 call dissuade you.

Enemabag Jones: If the dispatcher confirmed that stabbing report, then he should have hung up, if not he had a good question.

Actually, no. She/he cannot hang up. They have a script/QI guided program they run through with each 911 call. It ties up a dispatcher. And any 911 call made results in an officer, at the very least, being dispatched. Especially a false call or 911 hangup. They only get dispatched out as a low priority.

Enemabag Jones: When police invite themselves in your home and you don't know why I say it is.

The law disagrees with your opinion on the matter thanks to something called exigent circumstances. Regardless of what fantasy world you live in, the police are not going to go away when you tell them "no, no ones been stabbed here" and whistle inconspicuously.

Enemabag Jones: Are you the jury? Be sure to send him to jail.

I think I told you before: Stop acting like a child. Using your own logic, you have no right to be inventing narratives of the situation since you weren't there.

Enemabag Jones: If you can't stop kissing cops ass then you sh ...

Dude! I see you have a lot invested in this thread. Seems like a lot of work.

hardinparamedic:FTFA: Tillmon told the deputies to leave the home and then called 911 to complain about them, according to an arrest report.

He wasn't arrested for telling them to get out. He was arrested for calling 911 to biatch about something. Not what 911 is for, and not what a dispatcher is there for.

He believed that they were not justified in entering. If they were not, it was by definition burglary while in possession of weapons. An emergency; they might be illegally entering other houses in the neighborhood.