by the same token that the ability to use language isn't hardwired... yeah

i really hate it when non-scientists try to use science in their arguments, because their source is invariably some website/tabloid that has twisted valid science into something far removed from the truth

i bet you also believe that the MMR jab causes autism, don't you?

I would describe myself as someone with a scientific background. I am no expert , but i have a place at medical school and will have to do an additional BSC as well as a lot of research. I have completed my A-levels and do on-going research of my own on the side.

Either way, language is neccesary for humans to communicate. The ability to have languages as sophisticated as we do is unique to human beings. It separates us with from other mammals.

In addition, the article by the leader of the Human Genome Project - by virtue of their own experience- states that homosexuality is not hard-wired. No-one is born gay. Nurture makes one gay. Out of the many tests done, there have been no genetic links or any kind of links that allows us to conclude homosexuality is inborn in us. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but absence of evidence despite thorough, frequent, and numerous tests surely speaks for itself.

We should be here debating whether homosexuality itself is acceptable, rather than if it is natural or not.

We are born with complementary organs for the opposite sex, and that's just how we are.- unless one is in the very, very, very, rare if not unheard of group that has a mutation from that is.

I have always said that I that first thing I do is to hug him/her. I'm sure that would have spent quite a lot of time gathering the courage to tell me that fact. Then I would probably be a bit embarrassing and ask if there's a boyfriend/girlfriend in the picture yet.

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I would describe myself as someone with a scientific background. I am no expert , but i have a place at medical school and will have to do an additional BSC as well as a lot of research. I have completed my A-levels and do on-going research of my own on the side.

What additional BSc? I've never heard of MBBS students having to do an extra degree.

Either way, language is neccesary for humans to communicate.

Clearly.

Out of the many tests done, there have been no genetic links or any kind of links that allows us to conclude homosexuality is inborn in us.

Whether or not homosexuality is genetic, caused by environmental factors, or others... how does that have any relevance as to whether gay people should be discriminated against?

We should be here debating whether homosexuality itself is acceptable, rather than if it is natural or not.

Agreed. You seem not to be following your own advice.

We are born with complementary organs for the opposite sex, and that's just how we are

How does the fact of human beings having sexual organs suited to interface with opposite gender organs have any relevance to whether homosexuality is "acceptable"?

And who deems "acceptability"? Or do you want a nanny state to enter people's bedrooms to ensure they're having state-approved sexual relations?

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In addition, the article by the leader of the Human Genome Project - by virtue of their own experience- states that homosexuality is not hard-wired. No-one is born gay. Nurture makes one gay.

How many times do I have to tell you that what you think he's saying isn't what he's saying!

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How many times do I have to tell you that what you think he's saying isn't what he's saying!

He explicitly says homosexuality is not hardwired, but there may be unknown factors, not evidenced, that could be playing here and 'turned on' by nature. The former is evidenced, while the latter is actually subjective, speculative, and needs one to take a huge leap of faith to believe in.

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He explicitly says homosexuality is not hardwired, but there may be unknown factors, not evidenced, that could be playing here and 'turned on' by nature. The former is evidenced, while the latter is actually subjective, speculative, and needs one to take a huge leap of faith to believe in.

Yeah, it's not hardwired in your genes. Doesn't mean it's all nurture. Genes are not the only thing in nature you know! Also doesn't mean you can't be born gay.

I have a little boy and I can't explain how much I love him, I would give up my life to save his in an instant. If he tells me in the future that he's gay how would that change how much I love him? I'd support him and love him and be as proud of the person he is as I was before. That's what matters to me, him growing up to be a good person, and if he does then my attitude towards him will never change.

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I do not know what a Stalinist is, but I don't like comparisons to Stalin for obvious reasons. I hate murderers like them. I must ask you, what are your views on zoophilia?

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. I must ask you, what are your views on zoophilia?

You're comparing homosexuality to zoophilia? Are you ****ing kidding me? This is what it's like arguing with homophobic people. They spout complete nonsense all the time which can be torn apart by anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

Zoophilia is the abuse and rape of animals. They are totally incapable of giving consent.

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You're comparing homosexuality to zoophilia? Are you ****ing kidding me? This is what it's like arguing with homophobic people. They spout complete nonsense all the time which can be torn apart by anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

Zoophilia is the abuse and rape of animals. They are totally incapable of giving consent.

'Like homophobic people'
He is one. Ignorant even for even them

@nonsense poster this quote responded to - how dare you compare homosexuality to bestiality and zoophilia - that is disgusting and wrong.

I have some friends who are gay and all of them have 'come out' to their parents. Each and every one of their parents had a different reaction, some good, some bad and some indifferent. The majority of their parents were happy that they could be open and honest with them, not necessarily happy that they are gay. For everyone on here saying that they would be 'disappointed' or 'horrified' just consider what your children would be going through. It isn't easy to be different to everyone else, and receive abuse because of something you cant change, especially if your parents (the ones who should support you no matter what) are disgusted at their child because of their sexuality. Even if you aren't happy with your child's choices, that is no reason to look down at them or even disown them! A good parent should love their child without exception, if you can't love your child for being who they are. In my opinion, you shouldn't be a parent.