Rare Pottery Inscription from Time of Biblical King David Deciphered in Israel

JERUSALEM — A rare inscription on a pottery shard that was unearthed in Israel in 2012 has finally been deciphered and has been found to correlate with the time of King David.

The fragment was among a number of pieces excavated from the Valley of Elah, or Khirbet Qeiyafain, the location believed to be where the then-teenage David fought the giant Goliath of Gath. The discovery is accredited to Professor Yosef Garfinkel of the Institute of Archaeology of Hebrew University and Saar Ganor of the Israel Antiquities Authority.

As there was writing on a number of the fragments—believed to be in the ancient Canaanite language, the archaeologists were intrigued. The Antiquities Authority began working to piece the shards back together to re-form the jar.

Once the project was completed, it was found that the letters formed whole words, which then needed to be deciphered. Dr. Mitka Golub and Dr. Haggai Misgav translated the jar as reading “Eshba’al Ben Bada,” with Eshba’al being a name that researchers believe was limited to the 10th century B.C.

“This is the first time that the name Eshbaʽal has appeared on an ancient inscription in the country,” Garfinkel and Ganor said in a statement released by the Israel Antiquities Authority. “It is interesting to note that the name Eshba’al appears in the Bible, and now also in the archaeological record, only during the reign of King David, in the first half of the tenth century BCE.”

“This name was not used later in the First Temple period,” they continued. “The correlation between the biblical tradition and the archaeological finds indicates this was a common name only during that period. The name Bedaʽ is unique and does not occur in ancient inscriptions or in the biblical tradition.”

Garfinkel and Ganor note that the name is listed in the Book of 1 Chronicles in the Jewish Tanakh (known as the Old Testament by Christians).

“In II Samuel there was apparently reluctance to use the name Eshba’al, which was reminiscent of the Canaanite storm god Ba’al, and the original name was therefore changed to Ish-Bashat, but the original name of Eshba’al was preserved in the Book of Chronicles,” they outlined. “Thus, for example, the name of the warlord Gideon Ben Joash was also changed from Jerrubaal to Jerubesheth.”

While Eshba’al was the name of King Saul’s son, who reigned over Israel after his father and brothers perished in the Battle of Gilboa (1 Chronicles 8:33, 1 Samuel 31), the pottery is not believed to belong to the former king, as it would have read “Eshba’al Ben Shaul.” However, researchers strongly believe that the pottery dates back to the 10th century B.C. and that it belonged to an important man who felt the need to inscribe his name on his belongings.

The men state that the find and inscription is an enlightening contribution as they study the past.

“Until about five years ago we knew of no inscriptions dating to the tenth century BCE from the Kingdom of Judah. In recent years, four inscriptions have been published: two from Khirbet Qeiyafa, one from Jerusalem and one from Bet Shemesh,” Garfinkel and Ganor explained. “This completely changes our understanding of the distribution of writing in the Kingdom of Judah and it is now clear that writing was far more widespread than previously thought.”

“It seems that the organization of the kingdom required a cadre of clerks and writers and their activity is also manifested in the appearance of inscriptions,” they said.

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weasel1886

The Bible says to kill people like this.
How many here agree with that ?

If you are going to follow every word in the book……

BKSecrest

Old Testament dear…not New Testament. Jesus said to love and pray for your enemies not to kill them.

weasel1886

So why do people keep throwing OT verses at me ?

BKSecrest

I haven’t seen any OT verses being thrown around here but I would say because who ever is throwing them at you don’t know what they are talking about either. Don’t misconstrue what I said for acceptance. There’s no where in Scripture that says to accept sinful behavior as normal. Jesus just gives us examples of how to handle sinful behavior differently than it was handled in the OT because His death covers the sins of those who repent from their sins and believe in Him and live by His word. Those who do not repent and would rather wallow in their sin have their own judgment coming when they die. Romans 1 explains this perfectly under the wrath of God.

weasel1886

Thanks

Lark62

Because OT verses that inconvenience “them” are still valid. It’s just the verses that inconvenience “us” that are obsolete.

BKSecrest

There is nothing in Scripture “obsolete” but there are 2 different covenants. The Israelite are under the old covenant and the ones saved by the blood of Christ are under the new covenant. The only thing about Scripture that inconveniences anyone is when it calls sin what it is…sin. And of course we all love our sin…which is why God sent us a Savior instead of wiping us out again.

Emmanuel

BK, dumb it down bro. They don’t understand covenants.

BKSecrest

“Bro” people are smarter than what you think. Calling people names and being disrespectful ruins ones witness…”bro”.

FoJC_Forever

There is only one Covenant between God and mankind, and it is through the Son of God, Jesus (the) Christ. This doesn’t mean the Scriptures contained in what we’ve designated as the Old Testament are irrelevant or changed. It means we don’t have to serve under the Law given to Moses for the children of Israel. Everything is centered on Jesus now, and we receive Salvation through His Work on the cross and His Resurrection from the grave.

Amanda Richards

Please refrain from making stupid comments when you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. The OT laws are not instruction for today – we are under grace, not the Law. The Law was to show us what we deserved to get while grace gives us the “get out of jail free” card for a time. Much of the OT is a history book – it’s how we know what happened in the past. Do you expect a Brit to jump in a plane and go bomb Germany simply because they read a book about WWII and thought it was literal instruction to fight the Germans today? So why do people keep thinking that Christians must suddenly go around killing people because our history book gives us stories about what happened in the past? It’s sheer ignorance.
God uses the OT and NT to teach us about Him, His Laws and Divine nature and the two books fit perfectly like a puzzle. Don’t cherry pick Scriptures and think you’ve got it all figured out. That’s like reading one line of the FAIS Act and then thinking you know enough about it to criticize an FSP on their FAIS compliance.

weasel1886

So why do people here, and why aren’t they called on, keep posting OT verses that say to kill people?

I understand what you are saying because I had a great deal of Biblical training, but many have not and when they see:

“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

What are they to think? Many Christians cherry pick verses all the time without any explaining.
BTW I do not appreciate being called stupid. If you name calling helps your cause you are sadly mistaken.
The rest of your response was very well thought out too bad the insult kind of ruined it. I wonder if anyone else with legitimate questions to you or seeking grace get called stupid

Amanda Richards

It is her choice to walk the 3 minutes there and back to the nurse’s bathroom instead of just going to the girls bathroom. Regardless of however she chooses to identify herself, what “psychological trauma” could she possibly suffer by going into a girls’ bathroom, going into a private stall, and making use of the facility provided there? Seriously – what some people will do in order to attract attention and make money.

weasel1886

How do you know what is in her heart or how it might effect her ? I do not watch violent movies because of past trauma, would you belittle me without knowing why I don’t watch them ?

The Last Trump

What’s in her heart makes no difference whatsoever.
It’s what’s in her bladder that’s important.
And if she’d like to empty it in under three minutes she can use the restroom with the picture on the door that most closely resembles her body.

Liberals really struggle with the simplest of concepts don’t they?
How embarrassing.

Emmanuel

Plus, have you seen how boys pee? So let her go in there and sit in pee. UTI

Reason2012

These are “male genital” restrooms and “female genital” restrooms – a.k.a., boys and girls restrooms, respectively. Boys have the right to not be subjected to the humiliation and discomfort of girls walking into the bathroom with them, and girls have the right to not be subjected to the humiliation and discomfort of boys walking into the bathroom with them. It’s basic biology and basic genetics and basic morals and decency.

But they want to trample on 99% of other students’ rights to have everyone else cater to this one student – they want everyone else to be humiliated, embarrassed and feel violated so this one student is catered to.

If she goes into girls’ restrooms, no one’s going to care because she’s really a girl – they’re not going to say “ewww – you think you’re a man, and even through you’re a girl how icky it is you’re using the girls’ bathroom”

Time to put a stop to the anti-morals, anti-normal, anti-Christian agenda that’s being shoved down the throats of America.

The Last Trump

Yes, I particularly enjoyed the hypocrisy in her claim that she was averse to the “humiliation” and “embarrassment” of the self perceived attention she ASSUMED (!?) she was getting by CHOOSING to walk the three minutes to the nurses station. Only then to go on to SUE (!?) the school district and do interviews!!

But, I FELT like I was Wilt Chamberlain growing up and the NBA still didn’t let me in. I should have sued them. 🙂

weasel1886

So how do you propose we stop all the ” anti-morals, anti-normal, anti-Christian agenda that’s being shoved down the throats of America.” ?

The Last Trump

WE don’t. WE won’t be around here much longer.
God’s got THIS under control.

You really should read that book we talked about yesterday. You know, that kinda well known unparalleled and unprecedented gift of God that’s transformed more lives for the better than any other book in the history of the world. Remember? THAT book?

Pay close attention to the final chapter. You will immediately recognize the culture you currently live in and discover God’s answer to it.
You’re welcome, bud! Happy reading! 🙂

Lark62

If god didn’t zap us for genocide of Native Americans, I don’t think he’s gonna worry about which bathroom a kid in Virginia uses.

The Last Trump

Who said anything about the rapture?
Read the Book.

StereoMan

“We won’t be around here much longer”

More “end times” crapola? Hee, hee!

Ransom Davidson

Whether it will be stopped or not is not the issue. The issue is about defending right verses wrong and taking a stand for truth. (God’s truth that is since He is the only source of all truth to begin with. (John 17:17 ~ “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. (NASB)). Wrong may win out on occasion, (temporarily that is), in this sick and evil world; but in the end it loses big time and permanently, period.

WorldGoneCrazy

Well-put: as Christians, we are called to fight, win or lose in this world. Those are our marching orders. God already won on Resurrection Sunday.

Ransom Davidson

Thanks!

Ransom Davidson

Well said. Amen.

StereoMan

I actually agree with you (not about the paranoid anti-normal anti-Christian thing) but that the comfort levels of others using the restrooms need to be considered. They should make special arrangements for a self-contained washroom to be made available so that no one’s uncomfortable.

Reason2012

Nothing “paranoid” about it – pushing of perversions is factually being used to criminalize and demonize Christianity – they are just tools they use to do so, and it’s already being done.

StereoMan

Demonizing Christianity? We’re talking about a bathroom!

Reason2012

“Demonizing Christianity? We’re just talking about marriage! How does that affect you?” Same argument they use. And we now see the truth well after the fact as well. These are just tools to attack morals, which for the most part means Christianity.

StereoMan

But we’re not TALKING about marriage. We’re not even talking about homosexuality. We’re talking about transgenders and toilets. No one’s attacking anything, we’re trying to work out a social situation that works for everyone.

Reason2012

You’re missing the point. They use the same logic with marriage and say “it doesn’t affect you or Christianity” when it turns out to be the exact opposite. Male on male marriage is not the attack – it is used to LEGITIMIZE the perversion and then DE-LEGITIMIZE morals and Christianity. This is nothing but an attack on morals and God – it has NOTHING to do with some sort of pain a person who has male genitals feels going to a restroom where they all have male genitals.

So make 99.9% of the population bow down to perversion is the legitimization of perversion and the de-legitimization of morals, more specifically Christianity.

Live forever!

StereoMan

“You’re missing the point. They use the same logic” >SNIP<

Who's "they"? Are you saying it's all the same people, the pro-transgender crowd has now teamed up with the mobs of angry homosexuals? It's a little strange that you're seeing all your individual opponents as one big common enemy out to destroy Christianity. You HAVE to see how paranoid and out of touch that makes you look.

"it is used to LEGITIMIZE the perversion and then DE-LEGITIMIZE morals and Christianity."

That isn't what ANYONE wants. No one would mention Christianity at all or even care about it if it weren't for the fact that you have been so vocal in tearing everything apart related to human rights. How many gay people are out there campaigning for YOU to have your marriage rights taken away? And it's not "perversion", it's a normal variation of human sexuality, and the sooner you get on board with science the better.

"This is nothing but an attack on morals and God"

Why would ANY gay or lesbian or transgendered person want to attack God? Why? Just to be difficult? What do they stand to gain from it?

Reason2012

If you want to pretend it’s a coincidence that homosexuality, transgender-ism, cross-dressing, soon polygamy and who knows what else all just happened to be pushed at the same time is some big “coincidence”, think again. Calling those you disagree with paranoid only makes you look out of touch.

Again you ignore the facts: any who stand up against homosexuality, against transgenderism, against it being taught in our schools, against same-gender marriage, against cross dressing, are going to be labeled bigots. And now they target known Christian businesses to, for example, make them promote the act of a same-gender wedding. Any who dare speak out against such things are viciously attacked in social media, including against transgenderism. That’s fact, not paranoia.

You tell me why, now that you can no longer plead ignorance of the fact it goes on.

Why do they seek out Christian bakers, Christian photographers, Christian t-shirt makers? Why do they blaspheme Christ in their parades? Why does Dan Savage, the homosexual activists, have assemblies where he attacks the Bible? Why does He say He wants to_rap Rick Santorum for being for marriage for being between a man and a woman and want to_kill him by dragging him behind his truck by a rope, and now Disney hires him?

Read your history: any country where they are trying to destroy it from within, one of the things they must do is eliminate religion, for America that means Christianity – and the vile hatred towards Christianity is picking up steam.

All a coincidence it all happens at the same time? Feel free to call it a coincidence all you wish. But coincidence or not, it’s FACT those perversions are being used as the TOOL to do so and that Christianity is being treated as a plague, and such things hailed by the main stream media. Christ on a crucifix submerged in urine and called “art” ring a bell? Probably not if you have your head buried in liberal news sites.

Live forever!

StereoMan

Yeah, PRETTY sure all these things you’re lumping together only have one thing in common, and that is that you hate them. What you’re saying smacks of conspiracy theorist silliness.

“Again you ignore the facts: any who stand up against homosexuality, against transgenderism, against it being taught in our schools, against same-gender marriage, against cross dressing, are going to be labeled bigots.”

The only time you’re going to get labelled ANYTHING is when you use your Christian faith as a tool to stop others from engaging in it. It isn’t enough for you and your Christian friends to avoid it yourselves, you have to tell other people what (not) to do as well. And of course people are going to stand up to you for that. It isn’t your business and it isn’t your place.

“And now they target known Christian businesses to, for ex ample, make them promote the act of a same-gender wedding.”

No one’s being “targeted”. I’m sure no homosexual wants to set foot in a shop that’s going to publicly humiliate them and deny them service. But again, when Christians use bigotry to deny service to people for things that are none of their business, YES, they will be fined. Just as you would do to an atheist who didn’t want to work with Christians.

“Any who dare speak out against such things are viciously attacked in social media, including against transgenderism. That’s fact, not paranoia.”

I have no idea what it’s like to be a transgendered person. I’m male, and totally comfortable with myself. That doesn’t mean I know what it’s like for another person to be transgendered. So is it my place to call them deviant perverts? To tell them what’s best for them? The whole concept of being “against” something like that is so completely foreign and bizarre to me that it’s difficult to wonder how it ties in with your Christianity. Doesn’t seem like a loving “Christian” act to me.

You tell me why, now that you can no longer plead ignorance of the fact it goes on.

I have no idea what one isolated event is supposed to mean. This strikes me as an angry person who is trying to strike back at Christians. That doesn’t mean everyone is like that. And putting all people into the same box isn’t a good idea.

They don’t SEEK anyone out! The story made the news because the people were using their faith to break the law.

“Why do they blaspheme Christ in their parades?”

“THEY” don’t. This one person did.

“Why does Dan Savage, the homosexual activists, have assemblies where he attacks the Bible? Why does He say He wants to_rap Rick Santorum for being for marriage for being between a man and a woman and want to_kill him by dragging him behind his truck by a rope, and now Disney hires him?”

Because Dan Savage is an angry and political person who’s lashing back at the homophobia he has experienced. I’m not going to say he’s right OR wrong for it. But he is one person and not representative of any kind of movement.

“Read your history: any country where they are trying to destroy it from within, one of the things they must do is eliminate religion, for America that means Christianity – and the vile hatred towards Christianity is picking up steam.”

Maybe if you could live your faith in a way that doesn’t seek to attack others, you wouldn’t have people so angry at you.

Reason2012

> Yeah, PRETTY sure all these things you’re lumping together only have

one thing in common, and that is that you hate them. What you’re saying smacks of conspiracy theorist silliness. The only time you’re going to get labelled ANYTHING is when you use your Christian faith as a tool to stop others from engaging in it. It isn’t enough for you and your Christian friends to avoid it

yourselves, you have to tell other people what (not) to do as well. No one’s being “targeted”. I’m sure no homosexual wants to set foot in a shop that’s going to publicly humiliate them and deny them service. But again, when Christians use bigotry to deny service to people for things that are none of their business, YES, they will be fined. Just as you would do to an atheist who didn’t want to work with Christians. I have no idea what it’s like to be a transgendered person. I have no idea what one isolated event is supposed to mean. This strikes me as an angry person who is trying to strike back at Christians. They don’t SEEK anyone out! The story made the news because the people were using their faith to break the law. “THEY” don’t. This one person did. Because Dan Savage is an angry and political person who’s lashing back

at the homophobia he has experienced. <

And there you go defending him wanting to_RAPE Christians, wanting to_KILL Christians, and implying eveyroine else are the bigots with phobias.

Im done here. Please stop spreading your hate and defending those that hate Christians and want to_kill Christians, because by doing so you make it abundantly clear the bigot here with a phobia is you, which is why so many get angry with you.

Live forever, friend.

StereoMan

“See now you’re just using false libel. To not want them to teach all our kids that such things are normal, and not force 99% of the population to bow down to their demands does not mean I hate them. You might be projecting.”

Such things ARE normal. They exist in society, and your kids are going to encounter them. It makes perfect sense to teach kids that hey, there are homosexuals in this world, and please don’t beat them up or kill them because that’s wrong. Why is that a bad thing?

“No, it smacks of fact. Could be God’s judgment on America for getting away from Him.”

So are you one of those people who thinks that it’s God’s vengeance and anger for us tolerating homosexuals every time some great public tragedy takes place? Don’t you realize how crazy that is – all that is doing is ascribing blame YOU want to dish out for some injustice YOU feel and signing God’s name to it.

“Wrong. They label those who disagree bigots, but you give them a free pass and attack Chrsitianity. Why the hypocrisy, friend?”

Everything is cause and effect. Don’t be the cause, and they will have no reason to be the effect. Leave them alone and let them live the lives they’re entitled to. If you don’t like them, fine. But learn to coexist with them without calling them deviants and perverts and sinners. Those are YOUR rules. Not theirs.

“You have it backwards, they are the ones telling US what we will not do.”

I do NOT have it backwards. I can’t think of anyone homosexuals would have less interest in but Christians if not for the fact that you’re always attacking and judging them.

“Prayer in school? No.”

It doesn’t belong in public schools. It belongs in churches, and in Christian homes.

“Hand out tracts on the street? No.”

Hand out tracts on the street? YES. I see them all the time!

“Nativity display? No.”

Not in public schools. It doesn’t belong there.

“Refuse to support the ACT of a same-gender wedding with our business? No.”

The SUPPORT is going the other direction, the homosexual customer is PROVIDING support to the business.

“That’s what people are not going to stand up for.”

Apart from the handing out of Christian tracts on the street, every one of those things you mentioned IS unacceptable.

“You’re being overdramatic. There was no public humiliation. They simply point out they are not confortable supporting such an ACT. What do the activists do? Publicly humiliate the business owner: sue them, make death threats, get them fined. Again, you have your “facts” backwards.”

No, you have EVERYTHING backwards. No one’s targeting businesses. They’re going to get service which they have no reason to believe will be denied to them for any logical reason, they’re getting their faces slapped, their lifestyles shamed, and the door closed on them – for things completely unrelated to the business transaction. The fining of people like this is justified.

“Now you falsely turn it into two people working togther, which is disingenuous.”

I’m saying the law is the law and no one’s doing to Christians what they wouldn’t do to anyone else in a similar situation. You are crying “persecution” when the law is equal across the board.

“You deny biology and pretend feelings are the truth.”

I don’t deny biology and don’t pretend to know what a transgender’s feelings are; so how can YOU know what they are? Answer: You can’t.

“But if you’re homosexual, you deny feelings and instead claim biology is the truth.”

As above, you aren’t homosexual so you can’t speak to their experiences.

“Both types of people need help but are instead being used as pawns to promote perversion.”

That’s utter hyperbole, no one wants to promote “perversion”. Make a little attempt to understand what you attack before using loaded language like that.

“See how you justify it? Pretend it’s one person, ignore that it’s a parade. You just got done pointing out it doesn’t happen, when shown you can’t even admit you’re wrong.”

It’s one person IN a parade. Who doesn’t speak for the others in the parade, to say nothing of all the homosexuals who are themselves uncomfortable with parades. Again, you unfairly lump all these people together.

“It’s not an “isolated event”, which is also disingenuous.”

It’s a lot more disingenuous to call it a conspiracy, which is what you’re doing.

“No, it made news because the activists publicly sued them. You’re being disingenuous.”

It made the news because they broke the law!

“What if a black t-shirt maker who has no problem making t-shirts for white people was asked to make the t-shirt “white people rule” – who’s the bigot? The white person. BUt here you are effectively defending the bigot and calling the black man a bigot.”

All that matters here is the law. Don’t break it and you will have nothing to worry about.

“Wasn’t one person – it was a parade.”

The person didn’t represent everyone in the parade.

“Hear of the death threats to Brad Pitt’s mom for daring to suggest marriage is one man and one woman? Was that the same person who made the disgusting gay pride vile display about Jesus?”

I have no idea who it was. To do that was wrong. And that would be condoned by most gay people.

“Was that all just “one isolated case”?”

Yep.

“And there you go defending him wanting to_RAPE Christians, wanting to_KILL Christians, and implying eveyroine else are the bigots with phobias.”

He doesn’t want to RAPE or KILL anyone, but he is angry – and for good reason. Again, stop giving him reasons to be angry.

“Im done here. Please stop spreading your hate and defending those that hate Christians and want to_kill Christians, because by doing so you make it abundantly clear the bigot here with a phobia is you, which is why so many get angry with you.”

You don’t make the rules here.

All In

What if a person identifies as both male and female? Can they choose whichever they feel like in the moment?

What if a person identifies as an animal? Then what?

How about if a person identifies as an inanimate object? Or an outer space alien?

We’re going to have to build a lot of bathrooms so we don’t offend anyone, animal, thing, or alien.

Emmanuel

Come on All In, taper back bro. This is too much for the left to handle.

All In

What if I identify myself as a CEO. Does that mean I’m entitled to use the CEO’s office and parking space?

FoJC_Forever

Gavin Grimm was born a girl and will be a girl when she dies. Society it twisted, pagan, and perverted to even consider giving credence to this type of thing. They are only furthering the problem by giving in to the broken condition she is in. She needs help understanding that being a girl is okay and she is valuable and should be treated well. Somewhere along the way, she started thinking it was better to be a boy and wants to feel like she belongs and has worth.

Helookalikaman79

I didn’t know people had that much BS to spew. HE is valuable, and HE will be whatever he wants, and will NOT live in a box labeled “girl”. If you CHOOSE to limit your life, go right ahead, but do not expect everyone else to live in that box

FoJC_Forever

She.

All In

Identity confusion is a psychological and emotional problem, not a biological problem.

Changing the physical doesn’t do anything to fix the problems no matter how many different bathrooms we build.

This doesn’t even address the sin issue.

Emmanuel

All in, let’s address the top issue before tackling the real tough issue of sin. One thing at a time. baby steps with these folks.

John N

>’Identity confusion is a psychological and emotional problem, not a biological problem’
And of course you’ve got evidence for that.

bowie1

I don’t like to expose my private parts in the men’s washroom so I use the stalls for privacy. Problem solved.

Emmanuel

Wrong! This poor girl will be bullied, made fun of and ridiculed. I work with teenagers, no filters and they are cruel. This poor girl will be verbally abused.

bowie1

That’s why she should use the girl’s washroom.

Helookalikaman79

That is why HE should use the Boys Bathroom

Helookalikaman79

Ok since you want to keep calling him, her. Lets run with that for a moment, is it acceptable for any MALE to “bully, make fun of and ridicule” any female ever? No matter where she is, what she is wearing, and what she is doing….. Nope the boys would be arrested tried and convicted before they even get off the school campus. So he is male, he is being HONEST, and is not ashamed of who he is. If you don’t like him using the male restroom don’t use it, very easy fix…

a hamburger

Hey girl, because that’s what you are. Do you menstruate? Do you have a penis? Do you have cramps every month? Do you have boobs? Can your ADN be changed? You mental issues will never be more important than other people’s rights and dignity. So, go and get a shrink. No matter what these idiots do or how many tantrums they throw, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. I will say I think I am a unicorn, so I will sue schools, restaurants, or other public places for not adapting a unicorn restroom. WTF!?

Lark62

There is simply no love or compassion that can equal christian love and compassion.

Emmanuel

every hear of tough love?

adaia

Your logic is so illogical that has already idiotised you

adaia

Have you read the news about perverts who dress in women’s clothes and claim they are trannies just to attack women? Don’t be an idiot! Either a man or a woman must have their own space. It’s common sense. Unless you dont care and like to expose yourself to random people. If you are so bothered by christians opinions, what the heck are you here, troll? Get a life, get a friend, your lonely life must be consuming you.

Emmanuel

LOL, or McDonald not having hay on the menu.

Homer for God

All in (and or FoJC)a question…I know that at one time the state (any state) offered mental health for the sexual identity confusion. I’m sure the LGBTIPABCXYZ somehow convinced the state that transgendered doesn’t need help, but when did it exactly start happening? Was it around the same time the “Gay Right” movement (or what it should be called Sin Right movement) started? I was thinking about twenty years ago. I’m asking because I’m building a timeline of current events in correlation with the timeline of prophecy in the Bible that leads us all to judgement day.

Forgive me, I have great knowledge of the the Bible, but I am lousy at memorizing chapter and verse (praise God that’s not a requirement to get to Heaven) ; Didn’t Revelations and/or a book previous point to this time as a trickle effect for mankind in acceptance of this and other sin (abortion and so on), and that once satan has this grip on the earth that the end will begin momentarily? If so, will you please post those verses here so the non believers on this site will have a chance to read and try to explain how a prophecy written over 2000 years ago is coming true, is fake?

Thank you and God Bless you two for your content defence and truthful fight for our Lord and savior Jesus Christ who died for our sins so we can have eternal life!!

FoJC_Forever

I am not “All In”. I have this account on Disqus only. The multiple account games are for those who are insincere about what they post on here.

I don’t know when being homosexual was reclassified from being a mental disorder. Frankly, I’m not that concerned when it happened. When it was only classified as a mental disorder, it was probably not considered Sin by society. The issue has seeped into society’s acceptance over time.

As far as the Scriptures about prophecy in the End Times, the nonbelievers don’t consider the Bible as a valid reference, so they will simply scoff at them. The Scriptures were written and preserved for Believers, not those in unbelief.

Homer for God

I’m sorry FoJC. I was meaning for you and/ or All in to answer. I know you two are not the same. I also know you have specific scripture knowledge on the last days as All in has the history facts when it comes to studies and so forth. I was asking if you can cite the scripture(s) in the Bible that foretells about satan grip on society and how close we are to the real bad events of the end times, but by your response, I understand that they won’t get it. Thanks
Again sorry for the confusion and God Bless!!

Helookalikaman79

The “Sin Right Movement” started the second “Sins” were labeled. Now since we are talking about alleged “LGBTQA” sins, lets focus on the “Sins” the heterosexuals have done since the beginning…. Hell Scream about the “Sanctity of Marriage”, lets check the stats on that, 50% divorce rate….. where is the sanctity? ah, it is a heterosexual “sin” so no problem with that…. lets deflect our straight sins, and just highlight those that we don’t like

Homer for God

I am sorry you misunderstood my. Truth is true Christians have already recognize that we are sinners and we still sin (that’s all sin in all form), and fully believe Jesus paid for those sins once He was crucified.It doesn’t mean we think we’ve stopped sinning or feel it’s ok to. By accepting what we are and strive to be more Christlike and work on learning from our sins so we won’t commit them again. The LGBTQA does not recognize their sin
(nor want to)and thus have not committed those sins to God and turn.
Again no sin is greater than another. If it was serial killers looking for “rights” to commit murder without consequence, I would be saying the same thing.
Judgement is coming
God Bless

Helookalikaman79

So being gay is equal to murder…. THINK, outside the book for a moment. IF I murder someone, Steal from someone… I have harmed them. Which is wrong. IF I love my husband, care for him, and treat him equal or better, than you treat your lawfully wed spouse, I should be treated like garbage/or 2nd class citizen, because you believe in that book ? Obviously actively trying to harm others (preventing marriage and EQUAL rights that you have) because of the book is wrong. You can believe in the book all you want, I wouldn’t care if you said you had to walk everywhere because you believe in it…. and cars are Bad….. You wouldn’t be harming others, so I have no right to tell you that cars are the best thing in the world and you are stupid for believing it … Do not limit others lives, by the rules you believe in. A married gay couple is NOT harming anyone else. It does NOT harm your marriage, it does NOT harm your rights, and it does not limit your life, so stay out of it

Homer for God

“So being gay is equal to murder..”

In the laws of God yes (“there is not one sin greater, no not one”) but in action only. Just because the act of same gender sex is harmless to others doesn’t make it any less of a sin or right. I present the truth in what has been taught in the Bible because I do care and love sinners and I don’t want anyone to get left behind come judgement. I’m sorry you cannot see the truth and the wonderful gift God has given you in eternal life.

“IF I love my husband, care for him, and treat him equal or better, than you treat your lawfully wed spouse, I should be treated like garbage/or 2nd class citizen, because you believe in that book ?”

I’m sorry you feel that way by other people who claim to be Christian. As for me I never treated anyone like they were beneath me. That’s not what Jesus teaches. We are to”love one another as I loved you” and ” Love your neighbor as yourself”. Now I will not support sin in any form however as it clearly states multiple times that sex outside marriage between a man and a woman is sin, so no matter how much you treat your partner right or love him, once you participate in sexual acts, it’s sin.

“I.have no right to tell you that cars are the best thing in the world and you are stupid for believing it”

I never said what you believe is stupid and if I did I humbly ask for your forgiveness. I am simply answer your reply with one of my one defending God’s true laws, and encouraging others to seek the Bible before it’s too late. As far as what happens to you when you die.. that is between you and God and no one else.

Thank you for your time and God Bless

ND

1- Finally a Christian that does NOT beat someone over the head (literally) with the book. 2- Not attacking your beliefs, I look at that book and see it made from MAN, as there were no printing press etc back then and certainly no internet lol.. Every copy of the book, was hand written. And within all that time, can it be a possibility of Mans faults, altering or misinterpreting what they were copying? God Is LOVE, not hate, not what the fake “Christians” are doing. And just to note the “sex outside marriage between a man and a woman is sin, so no matter how much you treat your partner right or love him, once you participate in sexual acts, it’s sin.” It is not outside a marriage, it is in a marriage. Thank you again for not attacking, or assuming I was attacking you personally. Hopefully you see this before the “Christian Police” delete it or ban it again.

Helookalikaman79

A person using the restroom has NOTHING to do with any religion. And unless it is a “Christian” school, (or other religion) Religion does not belong in schools, that is what churches are for.

Emmanuel

You are 100% correct, this is not a religion issue. But an anatomy issue. The chic is not a dude. She needs to go use the girls restroom and locker room because she does not have a Johnson. In Cali, this law already exists and want to know how many guys are using the girls restroom or locker room and visa versa? ZERO!!!! Why? the kids have already said, anything like this happens, it’s an issue that they will handle. Plus, the girls have said that they rather get an F or drop the PE class than be in a locker room with a dude with his junk swinging around. Want to stop bullying in school? stop with this nonsense

Helookalikaman79

Two separate issues, bullying, and Transgendered. Bullying in schools was here way before the transgendered issues were pushed into the mainstream media, as they should NOT be harmed for who they are. If the girls choose to fail a class that is their choice. And from when I was in school, my 6th grade year was the last year students were allowed (forced to get undressed with a towel covering your junk, with it on run into the shower, just to get enough water to say you got wet, and run back to get into your regular clothing) to shower, mid 90’s ish…. No students ever showered or were uncovered in locker rooms for PE (as I cannot say either way for students that were in games like football etc with other schools, I avoided them) AND even though this is not the students fault, during that 6th grade year, we had mock fire drills while male students were in the showers getting splashed. A FEMALE, PE instructor came into the male locker room, yelling to get out (as if the school was actually on fire) and it was “okay” with the school, no one asked the students in the locker room…. and had that happened to female students showering and a male teacher walked in, even if the school was ACTUALLY on fire, he still would have been crucified… So if it is like that in other states, there would be no Transgendered female, swinging her junk around, as they wouldn’t be fully undressed anyway.

Ransom Davidson

People of faith have every right to take and exercise their faith everywhere they go and that includes schools. And for Christians, who uses what restroom does make a difference. So this could very well turn in to a religious issue for people of faith. As for those of no faith, who are they to decide who should or can use what restroom? Are they “gods” over everyone else or what? Who and what decides this issue? On what will the non-religious folks rely in order to say that they have a right to determine who should use what restroom? I am male and I have every right to say that I don’t want females using the same restroom that I do. And females have every right to say that they don’t want males using female restrooms. Just because a male “feels” more female than male (or vice-versa), does not make them female or male “physically.” If anything, folks like this that believe, claim, or feel that they are meant to be the opposite of what they were born as/with physically; they need to have their own restrooms made that will be just for them. That is the only fair solution to this nonsense. But that is not what is being propagated and promoted by the PC establishment and the ACLU and others, is it? And the reason why is because they have ulterior motives that at the core are simply diabolical. It’s funny how in the not so recent past as well as many years ago, things like this were never much of an issue but that all of the sudden we are having so many cases of this type of thing coming “out of the closet” so-to-speak. And all in such a short time. But I am sure that there will be plenty of ACLU types and PC folks to claim that the reason it wasn’t as big of an issue in the not so recent and somewhat distant past is because religion and religious folks suppressed these poor folks in the past and that they have always been around in droves even in the past but they just couldn’t come out because they feared religious folks would discriminate against them one way or another. Well, there have always been some folks down through history that would (for whatever reason(s)), rather be the opposite of what they were born as physically. But I would never believe that such folks have always been around to the degree (or that they have existed to the degree), that they are now. Regardless, if you were born with a penis, use the men’s room. If you were born with a vagina, use the women’s restroom. If you were born with both, use the one that you identify most closely with. As for those that have had sex-change operations though, they should have their own separate restrooms, period. Why? Because any psycho, (but I am not claiming that all people like this are psycho), could have a sex change operation just to have their way in a restroom that normally they would not have been allowed to use. Overall safety for the general public should be considered more important than catering to a small percentage of folks with gender-identity issues. It’s not “normal” per se, to have gender-identity issues. But again, that is not what is being promulgated is it? Those with gender-identity issues are being promoted as the “new normal” and much of everything and everyone else is to be considered the not-so-normal now it seems. Especially folks like me that claim that those with gender-identity issues are not experiencing gender identity in a normal way. I am to be considered the abnormal one for my views and my claims, right? WRONG. And I will continue to stand for truth no matter what the PC folks and the like want to say about me. Wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it and right is right even if no one is doing it. Period.

Helookalikaman79

Damn you are long winded, and no time to read all that crap… and to the point Your religion, does not and cannot force me or anyone else to live by that religion/rules. You can CHOOSE, not to use a bathroom a transgendered student uses. Upon entering the restroom, you can ask if any pre-op transgendered people are present, then make your choice whether or not you want to use it. Remember using a restroom is a choice, being who you are, is not

Ransom Davidson

No time? Well it sure seems you had plenty of time to dole out a good mouthful anyhow that promotes your own simple opinions that have not to this day, been proven to be facts scientifically or otherwise. Why am I not surprised?

Helookalikaman79

I kept it to one small paragraph, you cannot argue your right to harm others, so you do the typical bullshit, whine about your perceived harm…. So lets get back to your “Scientific” point. Prove beyond a shadow of doubt, SCIENTIFICALLY prove, the bible is more than a book, PROVE the bible was written by GOD. Scientifically PROVE, God wants us all to live by that book. Then, Sell your daughter, start stoning “Sinners” to death. A man rapes a woman (this is disgusting but used just as an example) MAKE her marry him, as the bible says so. And don’t forget to have your family stone you, for every little thing you have done that is against the bible… I suggest SMALL stones, it will last longer and it will push all the sins out of your body

Ransom Davidson

What are you so angry about? Prove scientifically (beyond a shadow of a doubt), that gender identity is up-in-the-air and why and how this is and how it’s perfectly “normal” to feel more girl than boy or vice-versa and/or to be just whatever sexual type of animal one may feel like or imagine being including attraction to kids (pedophilia) or animals (bestiality) or homosexuality (same sex as one’s self), etc. If you can do all of that, then maybe I’ll take time to address your angry rant with regards to the Bible and it’s accounts of this and that and why and what those accounts are really about and what they show about mankind etc.

Jean Adams

When I was at school we were encouraged to use the bathroom at break time and not during lessons. If SHE used the nurses room in her break no one would be aware and it wouldn’t interfere with her lessons.

Lark62

But since breaks at most schools are usually abt 5 minutes and it’s a 3 minute walk each way, that might not be possible.

And then again, you could stop trying to force all of humanity into boxes that made sense to goat herders 3000 years ago and instead try treating people who are different from you with dignity and respect.

Jeanine Schaefer

It’s interesting, really. That book that “goat herders” understood, people STILL understand it AND find it relevant TODAY. ESPECIALLY in ways of treating others as valuable and loved creations by God.

Lark62

Please. Have you read the comments here? Contempt oozes out of these comments. People don’t understand and don’t want to, so they hide behind their bibles and use the bible to deflect personal discomfort. Valuable and loved? I recommend a dictionary.

There are many christians who are able to treat people kindly. There are many people who find value in the bible.

But the bible has a very limited treatment of human sexuality and relationships. Do you seriously expect people outside your bubble to take relationship advice from a book that tells you how much to charge when you sell your daughter to a rapist?

Jeanine Schaefer

First of all, taking some verse out of context proves nothing. There are lots of people that are acting imperfectly on here. Some may mention the Bible, some may be atheists, agnostics, whatever. I am glad that you are able to see that there are some Christians that treat people kindly. However, the Bible doesn’t try to to be a self-help book. It’s 66 books about redemption that God sets his standard of what perfection IS, and it’s not man’s standards. In it, there are examples of imperfect people, some of them accomplish God’s will while others don’t. There is only one perfect person in the Bible, and he gets crucified, oh spoiler….
But He ( the perfect one) is the one Christians are trying to follow, however that will not suddenly make them act perfectly. Jesus changes their hearts internally as they learn, pray, grow, and come to him for guidance. Even mature Christians still make mistakes. It seems that only some of the secular truly EXPECT Christians to behave perfectly at all times, even though that is unrealistic.

Lark62

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

People have identified something like 60,000 contradictions in the bible. The slave holders and abolitionists both defended their positions with the bible. Pro war and anti war. Pro public assistance and anti govt assistance. Mixed race marriage is fine or god hates mixed race marriage. Honor your parents or abandon your parents. Beat your children or don’t beat your children. God hates abortion, but he killed babies right and left and the only mention of abortion in the bible is an instruction to priests on how to induce one.

The reason that the Bible has remained popular is that it is a perfect mirror for whatever a person already believes. And if you are surrounded by people who believe exactly as you do, it appears obvious that the bible says exactly what you have decided it says.

To people looking on from the outside, any argument that the bible clearly says “x” is laughable. Because it seriously, really, takes both sides of every question.

Some principles are universal though and predate the bible. Treat others as you would like to be treated is a big one.

I don’t have any clue what it would be like to have a brain chemistry that did not align with the physical parts. But I have read enough to know that this condition is lifelong and the people with it are not immoral pervs. I’ve also learned that the death rate for people with this condition is high, with the leading causes suicide and being beaten to death.

These are regular people whose brain chemistry is out of sync with body parts. They are not scary or dangerous. They are just people who want to be safe when they pee. I have no problem if I or my kids share public restroom space with them.

Jeanine Schaefer

People that actually know and have read the Bible have shown how there aren’t actually any contradictions, when you take the Bible in CONTEXT.

God does not hate interracial marriage, he does however not want mixed marriage between believers and non-believers, but still gives advice for when it happens. He wants what is best for His children, it would be much easier in a lot of ways for believers to be married to other believers. Honor your parents at all times, but cleave to your wife when you get married. Your spouse SHOULD come above your parents when you get married, that is your new family unit, but you still try to honor your parents at all times.there is NO contradiction there. What topics would you honestly like me to broach, here, I can do as many as you really want to read, but I doubt you really want a Bible study.

Just because PEOPLE defend their positions using the Bible doesn’t mean the Bible says it, ANYONE can cherry pick a verse, or just say that’s what they read, to try to influence people.

The Bible DOESN’T mirror what people already believe. In fact, if you read it honestly, it changes you, not you changing it.

The death rate for EVERYBODY is 100%. We ALL will die.

Your right in a way, their brain chemistry is out of sync. So why are we not getting them help, and instead reinforcing the problem? Other brain chemistry problems we don’t reinforce. Hey, your depressed….lets all mope around and if ANYONE talks about how to feel better, SUE! And we will cover the windows of places and put beds all over the place, because the depressed don’t want to get out of bed or think it’s too bright, and if they get suicidal, we’ll just call them brave and courageous! Or how about Anorexics, Bipolars, Insomniacs, PTSD, etc. It would be CRUEL to not help them, but instead make them STAY in that out of sync way and everyone around them MUST ACCEPT and PROMOTE this out of sync way.

I am NOT scared of these people, I am related to some of these people. I dearly LOVE some of these people! I also know that there have been studies done in more than one country (4) on how children (under 18 years of age) mentally develop as transgender, or not, and the consensus was that the MAJORITY (if not pandered to), but not all, grew out of it, but to give them information, support, NO HORMONES, NO SURGERY, or extra special accommodations. I’m all for having family bathrooms for access to anyone that would have need and for men needing to change diapers, etc, but I also think there should be female genitalia only and male genitalia only bathrooms for their safety as well. As much as she may identify as a boy, she is MUCH safer using the nurse’s bathroom or the girls. In truth, most boys are physically stronger than most girls, and if they decided to haze her or tease her, she would be physically in trouble.

3 minutes to get to the bathroom with a 5 minutes break was NORMAL when I went to school, PLUS we had to get to an outdoor room for one of the classes, NO excuses for tardies. They told us it was part of getting ready for adult life!

Christian Beach

This whole “identification” business is nonsense. If you’re confused about your gender, just look down. If you’ve got a penis, you’re a boy. If you’ve got a vagina, you’re a girl. It’s that simple, and the problem is instantly solved.

WorldGoneCrazy

Christian, how will you ever survive in this world?!? You are too logical. 🙂 You should be an engineer.

Here is how it works: if I FEEL black today, I can be the president of the NAACP, and if I FEEL like a girl, I can go into the ladies room, and if I FEEL like Wilt Chamberlain, I can play in the NBA, and if they don’t let me in, I should sue them. Because “choice.”

robertzaccour

A girl has no business in the boy’s restroom and vice versa. They’re designated male and female for a reason.

Helookalikaman79

Yeah and he is Male hence the Male Restroom…

sammy13

If only urination, then she MUST use the urinal. Or pee standing up! Peer pressure. And no disposal of any monthly sanitary items in the boys rest room. Because boys don’t have monthly issues.

Helookalikaman79

yes we do, we just don’t need feminine products… Just ear plugs, a jockstrap with a cup, and tons of chocolate to throw away from us… so the cranky ladies will run in that direction…… Now see, I made a BS generalization based on gender boxes, all male fit into the male box, that needs the cup and ear plugs and chocolate to throw… and I lumped all women into the box, of a crazy lunatic screaming and kicking her bf (or any other male) while she is cranky (and I am not making light of it ladies) and hunting for chocolate,,,, Leave them alone, and there is no problem

A three minute walk? Why can’t this youngster run? Also too special for that? And how does 3 minutes there + 3 minutes back give you 15 minutes round trip? Stopping for a smoke on the way perhaps?

Helookalikaman79

Because the gentleman is pre-op transgendered, He would have to remove clothing and sit to use the restroom, 6 minutes in travel time, and I’m sure most of the remaining 9 minutes time was used getting undressed, and then redressed. And that is if the single stall restroom did not have a line or already being used. Maybe the other kids should have to do the same thing, When your class is on the right side of campus, you use the right side bathrooms, and vice versa…. But we know they are to “Special” and have to use conveniently located restrooms

Nidalap

When the patients are put in charge of the asylum, the sane will find themselves in straitjackets…

Mr Dave

First of all, Galvin is a girl. Once a girl always a girl. So why this statement “The distinction stigmatizes Gavin and marks him as different from the other students; it isolates Gavin from his peers; and it exposes him to serious psychological harm?” This harm has already happen. To teach a girl about homosexuality, transgender, twocMoms and two Dads its no wonder she is suffering isolation from her peers; and serious psychological harm. It has nothing to do with the bathrooms. I am surprised the rest of her classmates aren’t having the same problem.

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