In an excerpt from his recent interview with Jeb Bush shown on CNN’s The Lead Friday, Jake Tapper asked the former Florida governor about his brother’s recently discovered painting hobby. The answer he received revealed more about Jeb’s view of George W. Bush than he ever could have expected.

“He is like the most focused, disciplined guy,” Jeb Bush said about his brother. “To imagine being a former president and not having an opinion on anything over the last four years, really?” he said in seeming disbelief.