Here's the quoted line from your linked article that I find to be most pertinent:

The list of potential noncitizen voters – many of whom have turned out to be lawful citizens and voters....

That's a problem. You'll get no argument from me that we do need to identify and remove ineligible voters from the rolls, provided we don't have any 'collateral damage' among our fully eligible citizens.

Gessler's office can complain about stalling all they want, but the USCIS letter states:

During previous discussions with USCIS, you offered only the name and date of birth of the registrants. This information alone is not sufficient to ensure accurate information as to immigration status.

The letter from USCIS goes on to state that Gessler's letter indicates his office has additional information that was not included in the request, and asks for that information to be forwarded. Why would Gessler send a request and not include all the information he had available? That seems either fishy or incredibly incompetent on his part.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”― Isaac Asimov

Colorado government, led by Democrats, continually tries to accommodate illegal aliens and create new pathways for 'regularization' like state-issued driver's licenses in a state with a motor-voter registration law.

NOisNO wrote:They have no business casting a vote period. Green card or not.

If they have gone through the legal process to become citizens since they received their driver's license, then they absolutely have the right to vote. That's what we need to determine at this point.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”― Isaac Asimov

Try walking into any Democrat (or Republican) state or national convention without the proper identification.

What will happen? You'll be refused entry.

Why? Because the parties want to maintain the security and integrity of their voting process. You can't have any body walking in to the convention and affecting the voting results.

Is this fair or are you disenfranchising a citizen? The parties have their rules and procedures to ensure their candidates are selected through the process they believe to be reasonable and fair.

Then why does the Democrat Party kick and scream not to extend the same type of integrity and security to the general election? Why are they so resistant to applying similar rules to the people's selection process. Why leave the door open to the devaluation of the citizen's vote?

#1Thanks Pilgrim 1620 for your post # 2515677 (page 2 in this forum).#2Gessler came into office complaining about this.4500? in all of Colorado? He apparently has names. Do these people even exist? How was this list generated? What the heck has he been doing with his time?As Secretary of State, just what the heck is his job??Is there any evidence that any of these 4500 actually voted? (I know this is simplistic, but it seems some people need reminding that to commit voter fraud one has to have voted.)#3You want a case of voter fraud?How about a guy who sells his house in one state, moves to another state, lives there, but for some reason claims residence in the first state by asserting that he really lives in his son’s basement? Were this guy registered in Colorado, would you except to see his name on Gessler’s list? Would you want him investigated? Do you think he has committed voter fraud?

republicans suppress votes? no, illegal invaders can vote anytime, they just have to go back to their home county to do it. time to enforce our laws and put and end to this madness, just like other countries.

all American wrote:Obama and Eric Holder want everyone to be able to vote in the next election cycle regardless if it is legal or not. Since Obama has trashed the Country with fears of Bankruptcy. This is also why the Obama administration is trying to keep voter I.D. laws from taking effect since they want people to vote more than once, the dead to vote and the illegal immigrants to vote for Obama on hopes that he will make them legal...

After all it's the Chicago way! They learned from the worst!

Obama's America 2012.Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you! JFK is spinning in his grave!

COindy wrote:Colorado is an important 'swing' state for the 2012 election.

Colorado is a Sanctuary State for illegal aliens.

Colorado government, led by Democrats, continually tries to accommodate illegal aliens and create new pathways for 'regularization' like state-issued driver's licenses in a state with a motor-voter registration law.

Do the math. These facts are not random or accidental.

You are right about one thing. Scott Gessler and fellow Republicans have done the math and think they can disenfranchise 4500 American citizens whose names end in "o," "a," and "i" who might vote Democratic by harrassing them until they stay home.

Purple patriot wrote:Republicans are having fun with this: While they use the Colorado SOS office to engage in blatant ballot suppression and election rigging, they can trash the federal government and accuse Democrats of playing politics.

The truth is this: voting by illegal immigrants is a "problem" that doesn't exist. The Republicans in several swing states are simply trying to inconvenience as many voters as possible knowing that lower turnouts usually work in their favor. It's the Republicans who are playing politics, and they are quite sinister about it.

So what is more important to you?

1) Finding proof that a problem has existed beyond a reasonable doubt and then prosecute the offenders

2) Being a part of a country operating under the rule of law where we have systems in place to prevent the problems in the first place

It might be a trick question since the answer is probably both. Demands for proof will not fix obvious holes in our system. It seems more like a delaying tactic for those who support the status quo. It takes resources to even find a crime has occurred. Our law enforcement relies on people to report a crime has occurred. Unless you want to go the route of the East German Stasi, it might be better to be content with the second option

“I am a libertarian with a small 'l' and a Republican with a capital 'R'. And I am a Republican with a capital 'R' on grounds of expediency, not on principle.” ― Milton Friedman

COindy wrote:Colorado is an important 'swing' state for the 2012 election.

Colorado is a Sanctuary State for illegal aliens.

Colorado government, led by Democrats, continually tries to accommodate illegal aliens and create new pathways for 'regularization' like state-issued driver's licenses in a state with a motor-voter registration law.

Do the math. These facts are not random or accidental.

You are right about one thing. Scott Gessler and fellow Republicans have done the math and think they can disenfranchise 4500 American citizens whose names end in "o," "a," and "i" who might vote Democratic by harrassing them until they stay home.

No American citizen who desires to cast a lawful ballot will be disenfranchised. To do such a thing would have the mainstream media wetting their pants with anticipation to tell the story, all the more so if the disenfranchised one can be classified as a minority.

Moreover, an incredibly larger number of American citizens choose not to exercise their right to vote than the number of potential voters that Gessler is questioning.

But making the charge is effective in harkening back the days of the nineteenth century and rekindling liberal “white guilt.” Poor souls. They don’t even know they are being played.

"Critics said they feared the effort would intimidate voters in advance of the November presidential election and that trying to match state and federal databases could result in people who are eligible to vote being incorrectly removed."

What's the problem, folks? Who would be intimidated, other than someone who is illegally registered to vote? Of course, those who are counting on the illegal voter support might be intimidated...

"The roughly 4,500 names the state wants verified are people who provided a noncitizen document ??? such as an alien-registration card, or "green card" ??? when they applied for a Colorado driver's license and who also are registered to vote."

A non-citizen document may be used, and accepted by a state employee, to registered to vote? What kind of nonsense is this? And 2,000 of them (darned illegal Swedes and Upper-Slobovians) voted in the last election. No problem there, eh?

Of course the "Feds" stall this nonsense. It's unconstitutional. Scott Gessler is, we are hopeful, a one-term official. He is one crazy, partisan guy. The "people" are not his concern. The fewer that vote, Scott reasons, the better chance the Republicans have to win. Might be true, but not enough for Gessler to get reelected after all the illegal nonsense he's pulled.

PhilLeshFan wrote:"Critics said they feared the effort would intimidate voters in advance of the November presidential election and that trying to match state and federal databases could result in people who are eligible to vote being incorrectly removed."

What's the problem, folks? Who would be intimidated, other than someone who is illegally registered to vote? Of course, those who are counting on the illegal voter support might be intimidated...

"The roughly 4,500 names the state wants verified are people who provided a noncitizen document ??? such as an alien-registration card, or "green card" ??? when they applied for a Colorado driver's license and who also are registered to vote."

A non-citizen document may be used, and accepted by a state employee, to registered to vote? What kind of nonsense is this? And 2,000 of them (darned illegal Swedes and Upper-Slobovians) voted in the last election. No problem there, eh?

This is clearly a voter suppression effort by Scott Gessler and the Republicans. There has been NO CASE of voter fraud in Colorado in memory. Nationwide, despite the hysteria being spread by the Republicans in this voter identification business, there have been fewer than 200 cases of voter fraud. That's such a tiny fraction, it isn't worthy of a law. Unless, of course, you want to suppress turnout.

And, yes, it is intimidating to some voters, particularly older and minority voters, to have to prove their citizenship. But if older and minority voters historically voted Republican, there would, of course, be no problem.