Creationist bloggers can be infuriating. If one has infuriated you by persisting in nonsense even when corrected, or refusing to reply to your criiticsm, you may feel driven to recording the fact. If so, you may register your disapproval here and hope a response is forthcoming.

And he's posted yet more misinformation (deliberate fact-free propaganda) on his facebook:"Since none of the current theories of dinosaur extinction work, a cosmologist made a new one." It is not a new ie replacement theory. It is a hypothesis that offers a possible explanation of how Earth came to be hit by an asteroid or comet (that killed the dinosaurs but did not kill humans because they did not yet exist) in the first place.http://creation.com/did-dark-matter-kil ... -dinosaursIronic isn't it how YECs frequently accuse critics of not having read articles they wish to discuss or criticise. Which could account for the nonsense written here (not just by Sorensen himself:https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Superman/)

Incidentally, just one month on and CMI's Hartnett is acknowledging that the Oort Cloud might in fact really exist after all:https://biblescienceforum.com/2017/01/1 ... ort-cloud/ (I hold my hand up - I read the Abstract and the Conclusion)As for Galaxy Dragonfly 44:https://biblescienceforum.com/2016/09/1 ... dragonfly/ (He's still not keen on the idea of dark matter but presents no alternative explanation as far as I can tell from a skim-read. He simply waffles unscientifically eg "It even makes much more sense, and perhaps even better physics, to assume that the galaxies don’t need to be in equilibrium because they were created not so long ago. If they are not dynamically stable no dark matter needs to be assumed.")

Addendum at 3.46 am - the Hartnett article on comets concludes:" ... The orbit inclinations of long-period comets is distributed through all inclinations forming a spherical distribution around the sun. Therefore, the KB cannot be their source, but rather the Oort cloud is needed.... The short-period comet argument may not be a good young-solar-system argument to make. However since the KB cannot be the source of long period comets the invisible Oort cloud is still needed as the final supply reservoir but its existence remains hypothetical."

https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/ ... ustry.htmlA fanatical ideologue doing exactly what fanatical ideologues do.Typical right winger. Typical creationist. In a froth and a lather because of science education. Why? Because people like him are anti-science and anti-scientist too - and hate most of the findings about the past that science has uncovered. And this person is too cowardly to debate people who are pro-science. Too cowardly even to allow them to remain for too long on his facebook pages if they won't toe the YEC 'party line'. Sorensen prefers bigotry to intelligent discussion. As this thread reveals.

a_haworthroberts wrote:https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/blind-bias-in-secular-science-industry.htmlA fanatical ideologue doing exactly what fanatical ideologues do.Typical right winger. Typical creationist. In a froth and a lather because of science education. Why? Because people like him are anti-science and anti-scientist too - and hate most of the findings about the past that science has uncovered. And this person is too cowardly to debate people who are pro-science. Too cowardly even to allow them to remain for too long on his facebook pages if they won't toe the YEC 'party line'. Sorensen prefers bigotry to intelligent discussion. As this thread reveals.

And insane 'responses' ie non-responses just abuse:https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/"Seems like Hitler-Robbers would be tired of proving you right with his personal attacks and name calling. No substance as usual.""Be careful. I've learned from sources higher than yours that he's EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Haywire's brain is kept in an undisclosed location, stored at temperatures not occuring in nature. NATO is still searching for it. Fortunately, and as we've both seen, it still is not fully operational."Rather a lot of fascists in America today. They don't like truth. Fascists never did.Here's a page about another lot of US ultra right people (not creationists just ideologue purveyors of 'the news' - who support a President who is a pathological liar and whose spokespeople prefer 'alternative facts' to visible reality).

http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/02 ... saurs.html"Evolutionists tell some mighty fine stories, I'll allow, but they're all based on evolutionary assumptions and circular reasoning, not on actual evidence. Too bad they don't cotton to allowing themselves to even consider a Genesis Flood model from biblical creationists, because it would best explain what is observed. Probably because the Flood models refute uniformitarianism and explain geology in a young Earth framework, as well as affirm that dinosaurs and everything else were created."

LIAR.

Creationists tell some mighty fine stories, I'll allow, but they're all based on 'Bible worldview' assumptions and circular reasoning, not on actual evidence. Too bad they don't cotton to allowing themselves to even consider that what real science has discovered by way of evidence for common descent across deep time, including the actual nature of the fossil record, would best explain what is observed. Probably because the evidence mostly upholds uniformitarianism, though with occasional localised not worldwide catastrophic events, and thus geology explains Earth's very ancient natural history - including that dinosaurs, which evolved into modern birds even though some birds were co-existent with some dinosaurs, were not created from scratch on one literal day of one recent 'creation week'.

PS at 11.45 pm:Sorensen says on Facebook (just seen) though he failed to say it in his blog post which is full of meaningless propaganda instead ".., New evidence of a dinosaur living at the same time as its alleged ancestor is making things worse for evolutionists."This is the YEC article linked to:https://answersingenesis.org/dinosaurs/ ... ancestors/(She bangs on about verifiability, worldview and 'Noah's Flood'.)And this is Wikipedia. Lagerpetids were RELATIVES of dinosaurs and there is no 'problem' for science despite all this propaganda from certain fundamentalist Christians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LagerpetidaeAnd here is that Current Biology that the YEC apologists probably don't want people to look at:http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abs ... 60-9822(16)31124-1'A Unique Late Triassic Dinosauromorph Assemblage Reveals Dinosaur Ancestral Anatomy and Diet'.The new discovery simply confirms that lagerpetids were co-existent with some (earlier) dinosaurs. So what - when we are talking about changes over hundreds of millions of years? And the AiG article does not claim that there is now 'additional reason' to doubt the age and evolution of dinosaurs. Only the dishonest propagandist Sorensen is suggesting that. But this is simply a re-writing of one particular part of evolutionary history. As the scientists are quoted as suggesting.

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/"... They enthusiastically embrace anything that is in opposition to God's Word, and some get so haywire, they call anyone who won't let them spout their incoherent nonsense a "fascist"...".Further confirmation. Bob Sorensen is a fascist. A fascist liar. Check out this thread. Tell me where there is any 'incoherent nonsense', Bob.

SILENCE.

Apart from "there is incoherent nonsense in that thread".

(Yes LIAR Bob ... if it makes you happy, believe in things that are non-existent, make up your own alternative facts - but kindly stop whinging like a cowardly kid when you are publicly called out for it.)

Whilst Britain has been officially visited by dictators and/or corrupt national leaders many times (one of them attended the London Olympics to watch his cheating athletic squad) Trump is a fascistic pathological liar from what is supposed to be a democracy. He is trying to create an Orwellian false reality (and deny actual facts he dislikes) at carefully controlled press conferences or via his Twitter account - which is as disturbing as Pravda ever used to be and contains statements like "any negative polls are fake news" - and via a war against the currently free US media and regular efforts to demonise all those in America, such as judges or celebrities, who stand up to him. The regime's alternative and false reality is no laughing matter. It is a sinister attempt to create a narrative where Trump is supposedly responding to the reality in question in order to (single-handedly) make America 'great' again (and make sure that we are all stuck with this b...... for at least eight years). The racists, ultra-conservatives and modern nazis within the US electorate will be happy. (Including this proven deliberate religious liar about whom I have posted facts at the British Centre for Science Education for a number of years: https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/ ... -hate.html*) Nobody else will.

* Sorensen is also a coward who attacks me behind my back instead of man to man. In his rant - which I have not ploughed all the way through word for word - he quotes words of mine from here for his own propaganda purposes (Steve being a more reasonable person than the liar Sorensen):http://worldviewwarriors.blogspot.co.uk ... igion.htmlSorensen's blogs and facebook pages have always been Orwellian in their 'Christianity'. Now he is becoming more overtly political - and fascistic - by the day. Anybody who attacks Trump will be attacked online by Sorensen. Well I am already in THAT queue. (The lesson here is that almost every young earth creationist blogger is a right wing bigot with a 'hatred' for 'liberals' and 'atheists' and the findings of science.)I have just submitted the following response to Steve for approval:"SteveI would be interested to know whether you approve of the nastiness here:https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/ ... -hate.htmlSorensen is a perfect example of 'Christian' hatred and lying. He has an especially strong hatred for me. Because I expose his internet lies elsewhere on the internet and that is an 'unforgivable sin':viewtopic.php?f=18&t=3153In reply to your comments I have become MORE interested in truth since abandoning Christian belief. In reply to your question about scientific discoveries I suspect that you know the discoveries I was alluding to. AshleyPS I've also sent an email (mostly about the daily lies of Trump) which is copied to Worldview Warriors."

https://www.facebook.com/cowboybobsorensen/"Being proven right — again. Yesterday's article ("Snowflakes Burning with Hate") provoked an atheopath into his typical fury. (If a biblical creationist wakes up alive in the morning, this guy goes haywire.) He accuses me of posting on my Weblogs and on Pages, in public view, "behind his back". #logicfail. Here we see an "I told you so" about the contents of that article, plus some other things I've been writing about for years involving logical thinking. This guy doesn't have it. He defames Trump, me, and others with screaming accusations, but seems to think that accusations and intensive repetition qualify as "evidence" on his planet. I backed up my claims with references, him, not at all. People do not take him seriously. (I added an appropriate Victim Card picture that is not from the link.) Take a look-see:http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php…"

He posted my words, and attacked them, on his hate blogs - instead of saying something at the actual Worldview Warriors discussion where my words were posted (ie he posted behind my back and devoid of context). And this thread is choc full of compelling evidence that Sorensen is guilty is charged and that he is evil.

Every week my decision years ago to start a thread exposing this person's hypocritical bigoted behaviour is vindicated. I could readily tell the kind of person he was just from reading a few blog posts. Worst claimed Christian on the English-speaking part of the internet in all probability. (Actually I am probably the only sane person - I mean sane and honest as well - who takes Sorensen, the lying young earth creationist apparatchik who has become a Trump groupie as well, seriously - something he absolutely hates it appears. And unlike him I am not desperate for attention and approval from 'my side of the argument'. I send emails but am perfectly happy if nobody replies to my comments and have no idea how many people are even reading them. I do not run four attention-seeking blogs and two facebook pages.)

(This post is now final at 5.05 am.)

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Doing the Bible thing earlier this week when having a go at my quoted words, that were addressed to somebody else not him:"Hold on a spell, pilgrim! What makes you so doggone special, that God would "withhold his reality" from you? Things didn't go the way you liked, God did not jump through a flaming hoop to give you your desires? Did you ever carry your cross through town, wrongly condemned and sinless? Further, you are calling God a liar! God did make himself known to all (Rom. 1:18-24), and you're not the special snowflake that is the exception, and God is not a liar (Num. 23:19). If you want "fair", then you don't want God! That's right, because all have sinned (Rom. 3:23) and deserve death (Rom. 6:23). He didn't have to do it, but God gave us the offer of redemption through Jesus Christ, God the Son. Repent of your perverse reverse idolatry (making a false god that you can hate) while there's still time."

Doing the evil thing previously (he's the fascist not me since he started calling me 'Hitler' years ago - simply because I was diligent and persistent in exposing lies he posted on the internet):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_qUzlKtDpE

Yeah - although he knocked over a few tables and shouted at bit and used some provocative insulting-sounding language towards some people on occasions, I don't recall Jesus making FALSE allegations about people who criticised him or who had different beliefs and different life experiences to his.

He of course is busy questioning evolution, especially this Sunday. But it's helpful of him to encourage his readers to take a close look at this open forum:http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/02 ... n-day.html"If anti-creationists (and let's face it, all who are opposed to our free speech) cannot prevail through the courts, they attempt to defame their targets, primarily with misrepresentation, nonexistent "facts", appeals to emotion (teaching creation is "child abuse"), and so on. (Take a gander at this narcissistic jasper who criminally cyberstalks me for emotionally-laden libel and assertions of opinions as facts.) The Internet, forums, social media, Weblogs, and so on are hotbeds of false information...".

Bob's stock 'answer' to what I write about him. "Look at these horrible beastly criminal people falsely maligning me. By exposing my unChristian and highly mendacious behaviour on an internet discussion forum which - unlike my blogs and facebook - allows free speech and does not censor inconvenient facts." (I paraphrase.) Any sane and honest person will of course realise that I have only truthfully maligned him - with plenty of facts, evidence, and accurate representation including direct quotations. But almost anyone still following Bob's blogs is either sane but dishonest, or honest but insane, or possibly dishonest and insane too. Any sane and honest ones already walked away.

So. Once again he fails to direct address the substance of a single thing I wrote.

He also has some thoughts regarding Betsy DeVos. Should you be interested. I will not attempt to paraphrase further his thoughts when it comes to that particular topic.

https://stormbringer005.blogspot.co.uk/ ... bible.html"When someone commences to telling lies, it usually brings an uncomfortable feeling along with it — at first. More lies get told, and it becomes easier. Some folks are so used to lying, they do it automatically. There are those who get so accustomed to lying, they are suspicious of others, even becoming unable to discern deception from disagreement, humor, or error — especially when they have a precommitment of rejecting the truth of another's position. This is easily seen in atheists and anti-creationists, who are unwilling to even consider the truth of biblical creation science, or to admit that God exists (Rom. 1:18-23, Psalm 53:1)."

No I did NOT. I did NOT suggest here that Ludlow did 'not' challenge the coward to a debate and that that was a made-up Sorensen claim. What I DID was reject Sorensen's claimed reason for banning Ludlow from his Facebook page.

The evil bigoted hypocrite Sorensen spends 'Question Evolution Day' ranting about liars (they are 'not' creationists in case you had not guessed) - and then LIES about me on one of his Facebook hate pages.

This being what he says 'atheists' and anti-creationists do.

Therefore Sorensen has exposed himself as an atheist who does not fear any God - whether he realises it or not.

And he's not just once a lying atheist pretending to be a 'Christian' but TWICE:https://www.facebook.com/Piltdown.Super ... =3&theater"It's been a while since I've brought something from the Fallacies Illustrated Department, and a criminal cyberstalker joyfully presented some useful material in reaction to this morning's featured article. According to him, YOU are neither sane nor honest. Also, some amazing logical fallacies, including direct contradiction of terms, bifurcation (either-or fallacy), blatant misrepresentation, and outright lies. Very manipulative. Do you agree that people like this are another reason that #questionevolutionday is important? -CBB" [says a person who claims to detest manipulation ]The fascist cannot refute what I write. Because I am not a liar and he is a liar. So he hates me even more and calls me 'manipulative' to the group of dishonest/insane abusive bigots who follow his pages. Which further strengthens my six year resolve to oppose this internet hypocrite who is causing so much damage to the reputation of Christianity because pathological lying is condemned in the Bible he claims to love and respect.

Just truth. Which is still true despite all your stupid apoplectic demented and deranged comments in yellow highlighter and red ink (and your red rage that you cannot get away with such mendacity on the internet because - when few others will take the trouble - I am HERE to expose you for what you are).

These being the specific Sorensen LIES (don't accuse me of calling you a liar for 'no' reason you Fascist Liar):""Truthfully maligned" is impossible. It means truthfully lying for purposes of defamation." [No it does NOT: 'Malign - speak about (someone) in a spitefully critical manner'.]"This criminal cyberstalker [LIAR] not only denies that I have documented his numerous logical fallacies [YOU HAVE NOT REFUTED ANY OF MY ARGUMENTS AFTER SIX YEARS OF DESPERATELY TRYING] but he has 'constantly' lied [LIAR LIAR LIAR] and misrepresented not only me [LIAR LIAR LIAR] but many other biblical creationists ..."

This is how fascist liars behave. It's also how people who do not fear any God behave.

Hate-filled fascist liar pretending to be a Christian behaving as he always behaves and causing yet more damage to the reputation of hardline Christians (the post one hour ago with a video of a goat attached).

Sounds from what Sorensen writes that Gordons may have gone crying to him and Sorensen has deduced that Gordons has given up - which is a bit odd if my reasoning powers are so poor as this proven liar will never ever stop falsely alleging.

He's also too cowardly to come onto this forum and discuss my posts. Especially given my 'poor logic'... But instead he continues to spew poison on his blogs. Just like a fascist (which is what he is):http://www.piltdownsuperman.com/2017/02 ... m=facebook'An Atheistic Well-Poisoning Effort'. I know you can probably hardly contain yourself with excitement (annotations in three different colours - btw this is what he is now getting very exercised about this sabbath: http://www.forums.bcseweb.org.uk/viewto ... f=9&t=3798)I am not going to waste my time addressing all of what is written. However, if Bob comes on here to discuss what I wrote in open forum I will of course respond further. In the meantime, perhaps he would care to answer one question. Did I write anything that was incorrect or factually wrong? Yes or No. If 'yes' kindly explain.

I am biased against liars (not only by creationists) and biased against indoctrination. Well done for spotting that, Bob.

However, you are very very confused - and not for the first time. "There are several snide comments that are actually well-poisoning opinions that are irrelevant to the subject. This one, "...director, producer and writer has NO relevant science background" is, in my opinion, a weak attempt to find something negative to say. It was also an ad hominem. If I was having a documentary made, I would want an experienced filmmaker who is would work the way Dr. Tackett did, including interviewing experts in their fields." If you read carefully what I actually wrote you would realise that I was referring to Thomas Purifoy Jnr NOT Del Tackett. Also Sorensen is falsely accusing me of an Ad hominem. No. THIS is an Ad hominem. Sorensen is a fascist liar. Saying someone has no relevant science background is a mere fact (based on what I read online BEFORE making the comment - AND included with my post):http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/ ... esk_id=545

Your answer reveals that you could not back up a 'yes' answer - but you are too dishonest to write 'no'.

No wonder Bob refuses debates. He would incriminate himself (more than he already has).

This is what I wrote:"I've downloaded this from the isgenesishistory.com website:file:///C:/Users/ash/Downloads/IsGenesisHistory_EBook%20(1).pdf(downloaded from here: https://isgenesishistory.com/dload?id=I ... _EBook.pdf)The target audience is middle school and up students (mainly in America I think) and presumably other people who wish to indoctrinate that demographic, especially their parents (the site appears to be riddled with incorrect spelling as well as questionable 'facts'). [FACT]The film's director, producer and writer has NO relevant science background. [FACT] But he was probably indoctrinated himself when younger - he writes: "My goal is pretty straightforward. I wanted to take much of the evidence used for evolutionary thinking, break it apart, turn it over, then re-assemble it in a more complete and effective way within the historical framework of Genesis." [FACT]http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/ ... esk_id=545He has written blog posts like this one (no comments permitted, apparently):http://isgenesishistory.com/notes/science-authority/ [FACT]The e book includes a section headed 'Preparing for the Film'. It is aimed at parents, teachers and youth group leaders. [FACT]

As an aside, all 13 scientists or 'scientists' (and a couple of scholars) behind this religious indoctrination are middle aged white males (which I suspect is not deliberate but simply a fact of life). [FACT] (Two YECs who normally are considered relatively honest in their statements - Wise and Wood - are among them.)" [FACT]

By contrast ALL the YEC liar did was whinge about 'well-poisoning', allege that I made 'irrelevant' comments, falsely accuse me of an Ad hominem and falsely imply poor reasoning abilities on my part.

But at least he has corrected the factual error that I have pointed out. I think he should spend more time checking his own words prior to publishing them rather than attacking mine.

This film is not simply being released. Rather there is a whole strategy around it, which is targeting students via adults who are already young earth creationists. Thus it is apparent that the aim is to indoctrinate that everything in the book of Genesis is true 'history'. Before they watch the film, those behind it want students to 'flip through' the ebook of Is Genesis History? and then read various Bible passages. Why is that necessary/advisable? Because this is apologetics and indoctrination, targeting school and college students in the US, that you should not deny that Genesis is 'history' and that fossils and the like 'confirm' that Genesis is 'history'.

As opening comments by one Rebecca Farris strongly imply:"When I was asked to preview the film Is Genesis History? I soon realized thefoundational elements of truth I would need to continually reference back to inorder to influence my children in the right direction.Unlike any generation before them, our teens and young adults are barraged withevolutionary cultural influences from literally every direction.The underlying message that is being tweeted, posted, snapped, and broadcastis one void of historical biblical truth. It’s not just in the science textbooks, it’s inevery element of modern society.Is Genesis History? is a film Christian parents need to see with their middleschool and high school children. Like me, you will walk away with insight,understanding, and a fresh perspective on engaging your teens on worldview issues".

Here are just some of the highly questionable 'facts' in the pdf document:"Dr. Austin explains how the thousands of feet of sedimentary rock layers around the world are best interpreted as the result of a massive, global flood." (And why are there no dinosaur fossils at the Grand Canyon? Because dinosaurs have been long since extinct during the past 40 million years when the formation came to slowly be.)"When you look at the extent of the rock layers and the unusual ways they were deposited, they provide evidence for an earth recently formed". "Dr. Ross explores the fossils found inside the sedimentary rock layers. He talks about their enormous numbers, their worldwide extent, and their sudden appearance. They paint a picture of a very violent world that was suddenly and completely destroyed by a global flood"."Dr. Anderson documents the amazing discovery of soft tissue in dinosaur bones, including his involvement in finding some of that tissue in a triceratops horn. This now widespread discovery calls into question the normal ages assigned to dinosaur bones.""The processes of natural selection and mutation are not sufficient to create the diversity of the animals in the world. Instead, all the variety is the result of a small number of created kinds."

It's another attack upon geology and biology.

http://isgenesishistory.com/notes/film- ... -churches/"IS GENESIS HISTORY? was produced, written, and directed by a Sunday School teacher. It was hosted by one of the most talented worldview teachers in America. From start to finish, the film was designed to be a teaching tool for churches...... Furthermore, they need to know it is a history confirmed by the world around us."Proof that this is indoctrination.

Ashley Haworth-Roberts claims that Cowboy Bob Sorensen did not demonstrate logic in his criticisms and the Cowboy claims that he did so. The Cowboy is correct. Ashley Haworth-Roberts attacks the Cowboy and has tantrums but has never said, 'Here is why Sorensen's claim that my logic fails are erroneous'. The Cowboy has repeatedly demonstrated over a long period of time that Ashley Haworth-Roberts does not understand logic.