As the pond is used for fishing, 17 as well as 16 are really pushing it as far as the course interfering with the fishers is concerned. We considered a tee from the island that is just to the right of 15, but it did'ntflow very well. Basically, we can't cross over the pond continuously due to the amount of people who use it to fish .

It was great to see 20 or so people out at the park today with temp basketsplaying the layout. Thanks to everyone who brought a basket! I can't wait toget the permanent ones in. Looks like we need two more baskets sponsoredand it's done. Anyone?

coreyml wrote:SEVENTEEN B!!!could you post a larger distance chart please or just post it on here, thx.

are there going to be extra baskets and we choose what to play to or are you going to move baskets around?thanks mike

Corey,

Should be a full page version link posted shortly under the map/directions at the top of White Oak page.

No extra baskets, but we will be moving baskets around once we get the other collars set for the alternate positions.This should keep the course different so you do not get bored playing the same layout over & over again (think O.P.)

"Many holes unfortunately are poorly thought out. Almost every shot is blind which really gets kind of silly. Hole 11 is an especially bad design being almost entirely luck; I really don't think you can get it close without getting lucky? Overall I think the land could have been used better. Some holes seem kind of repetitive especially with the over usage of blind shots. In addition almost every basket is perched on a hillside lending to too many roll-aways and raising the luck factor too high."

All I have to say is that on the blind holes, once you get out of sight, it will be easier for you to changeyour scorecard. All credit to DD.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Blind shots are fine. Those occur in (ball) golf as well. Walk up a little ways and see the basket. As far as putting baskets on steep hills, that is kinda crazy. I know the park is very hilly and putting a basket on a hill is almost impossible not to do but 4 is ridiculous and 17 is too - too much luck.Maybe if 4 was at the bottom of the hill - or at least closer to the bottom.

on the other hand...I LOVE 6 - thanks to my new boss. I love the downhill pad to a slightly downhill basket 500' away.

I've played this course about a dozen times and I enjoy it until i get unlucky - not from trees or wind, but from my disc not landing perfectly flat on the ground with no scooting whatsoever... then rolls OB or 40' away down 4's hill. 1,3,8,12,13 and 18's steepnesses are fine

"Many holes unfortunately are poorly thought out. Almost every shot is blind which really gets kind of silly. Hole 11 is an especially bad design being almost entirely luck; I really don't think you can get it close without getting lucky? Overall I think the land could have been used better. Some holes seem kind of repetitive especially with the over usage of blind shots. In addition almost every basket is perched on a hillside lending to too many roll-aways and raising the luck factor too high."

All I have to say is that on the blind holes, once you get out of sight, it will be easier for you to changeyour scorecard. All credit to DD.

That last bit about the scorecard......bravo!! I bet he wishes the people in his group were blind.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (no matter how wrong they are) - so here is mine:The blind shots are fun. Besides, after you play the hole once you know where it is.....As for roll-aways - put it in the basket and it won't roll. Seriously though - I like the baskets on the slope, and it actually does take a little bit of skill to throw it correctly so it stays.Don't even get me started on 17. Is that not just way too much fun to watch people go for it, knowing that they may never see that disc again? Being a short-distance thrower I don't have to worry about it (I lay up every time) - but I have a blast watching people try.I think White Oak is a fun course, different from most in the state.If you want a run-of-the-mill bland course go play somewhere else.

Pins on the slope are just fine, makes for REAL golf situations where playing/beating the course is important not just whos the best putter.

Now the corner 9, 10, 11?!? Nine Is ok its 10 and 11. Being a regular woods player these two holes are pretty lame. I add nine into the mix because I think reconfiguring 10 and 11 to make better holes would take out throwing down towards the water. The space between nines pad and tens basket is totally underused. It looks like a small drainage area b/c of the severe slope of that area. Lemme guess, that area is wet at times and too hard to traverse?!? AND the houses/ob line makes is hard to use the area other than previosly planned?!?! After 8 if you walk down the hill somewhat towards 18s tee, make a new nine tee and maybe shoot perpendicular to the already planned uphill/downcrap shots of 10/11.

Last note, I love the rest the course except I thought the trees on the top of the hill between 3s fairway and 6s pad were totally underused. Now that could have been a different shot/ hole with trees that no other hole really has.

I finally got over to White Oak this weekend (sat.) and got two rounds in......Wow!!!!

Thats the best way to describe it. I enjoyed pretty much everything about this course. The hills were great, the baskets awesome had incredible placements, and the water shots very very playable.

I only had a handfull of birdies though. My most memorable vas 17, obviously.Straight at the basket-with a 8 ft putt.

Great job. Great course. Only thing I would change is the location...I live over an hour away.

Edit<<<< I would do 1 thing alter the teeing area on hole 9 ? i think it was. It's the 1 that your run -up is down hill to a short uphill basket. it really strains the back running down to throw it up.

I dont wannna say that all the people bitchin about sloping greens and blind tee shots are closetized manhole lovers, but they definitely are, and they're definitely on bottom, and they do it for free. As someone else mentioned, play the hole once and you'll know where the basket is. As for the sloping greens, thats one of my favorite parts about this park. Nowhere else around ATL makes you think that much about your putting. I've had some terrible terrible roll aways that were the result of bad luck (bounce off basket and roll to the bottom of hole 8 twice on the same hole ) but for the most part it's risk reward. Go for it or lay up. Hole 4's green is ridiculous. It's ridiculous how awesome it is. Placing it at or near the bottom is just silly and caters towards the type of people who cried when Leonardo Dicaprio died at the end of Titanic. You will get some bad roll aways, but there's a lot of technique to be able to lay up nice and flat on a sloping green to reduce roll away chances. I guess instead of making the most beautiful and scenic course in Atlanta a very challenging 18 holer, Mike D and all the others who helped design it should have made 36 200 ft hyzer holes and transformed it into a super sized Oregon Park. By the way OP just put in 7 new baskets with 2 tee pads each, and they were definitely put in by a righty. Of the 14 new shots 9 of them are short, blatantly righty favoring hyzers, and the others still arent too friendly for leftys. Being a righty myself this presents no problem, but if Grease comes out to play the new holes he might be sad Go White Oak, and whoever Redneck Machismo is on dgreview.com, quit disc golfing so that you can stay home and cook your husband dinner more often. He told me that your meatloaf sucks.

Just got in from playing about 3 hours at White Oak and, man, what a great course!! This course truly something for everybody: Wide opens. Woods. Water. Blind shots. And those targets on the slopes - so what!?! They make for great disc golf!! I can't think of anything (outside of tee pads and water in water fountains) that this course needs. Thanks, Mike, for all your hard work; it's really paid off and I look forward to making the trip down many, many more times.

NO IT DOESN'T. You bring it in, you take it out!!! Why make more work for the parks or the DG volunteers?!

I have to say I can't remember the last time I threw something away on a DG course while out on the course. Maybe at the "clubhouse" or areas where tournamet central is, but if you take "stuff" out on the course, it should only be lighter when you get back, unless you have an empty trash bag at the start and you are cleaning the course, so why do you need a can on the course. Yeah, its convenient... for you throwing it away.... then somebody has to come back later and haul it out and put a new liner in the can cause you're lazy.

I wont say that ALL of Atlanta disc golfers need to adjust their mentality on drinking or trash placement, but there seems to be a pattern of trash, either legal or illegal, cluttering a lot of our courses and it needs to be addressed.

OK, done preaching, get back to playin'

And this isn't directed at you JPZ, just responding cause it needs to be said more often!

JPZ wrote:The whole point of trashcans is so idiots don't throw their trash on the course.andThat is what they are for, throwing trash in. So we don't have to carry it 1-7 then 8-18

I don't have that kind of space in my bag for empty leaking coke cans...hate the bottles, who doesn't.

If you had space for it when you started, you should have space when you finish. If you happen to replenishyour beverages mid-round, chances are, your are near your car and parking lot where there are trashcansreadily available. If you are carrying bottles, chances are, they do not contain beverages that are legal for consumption in a public park. I guess common sense doesn't come to some folks as it does others.As it turned out at the Crucible, people DID notice the trash that was left behind,especially beer bottles and cans. I'm down with the trashcans too, but unfortunately, it leaves behind evidence that inconsiderate people had been playing the course. Bottom line is, as Chris already said, if you can carry itwith you, you should carry it out especially if you weren't supposed to carry it in in the first place. BTW, beer is illegal with or without the price sticker on it in Georgia public parks.

I carry a trashbag w/ me almost everytime I play my home course JPM...and quite a few others as well.Picking up other peoples cigs and empty drink containers is a big task on a disc golf course.

Maybe, I would like a place to throw away other peoples trash. I mean, I didn't bring that in and I don't hate getting it off the course either. go greenPisses me off but i'll do it But, I don't want to carry it all over the course.

I also understand the whole "evidence" thing. (beer cans/bottles)It is an issue that can not be helped. It's gonna happen.happens at ball golf courses.happens everywhere. in every sport.

The only solution I can come up with is buy trashcans w/ lids. Because, the course needs 'em and you can't stop people from drinking. the police have tried.But, you can pick 'em up and cover 'em up ...out of sight-out of mind

Wow! NOTHING AT ALL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ABOUT THIS COURSE!!! This course is amazing. My friend and I played from the blue tees and loved every bit of the course. It is beautiful out there, long, fun, great elevation, and TOUGH, especially with the baskets in those positions. Anyone with anything negative to say about White Oak is stupid! I shot 12 over, and loved it!!! Great great job designer and workers for the course. It will rival any course in America with the concrete tee pads and Signage no doubt!!

I finally got to play this course and i loved it! We played two rounds and i loved everything except chuncking one my favorite discs in the deep part of the lake on a drive on 17. Great job on the course, i enjoyed the exercise from the grueling ups and downs of it. And thanks again to Grease, for the beers on his deck, a great way to finish up after two rounds at White Oak! I can't wait for tourneys to start up there.

the wooden pallet lillypad area is kind of fun right now but long term something else will have to be done. What you showed in your picture is a nice solution. You would probably need at least three of the plastic drainage pipes as the area is larger than the one shown. This could probably be done relitively cheaply if you can find stones around the park to relocate.

Alright. Trust me, they are not going anywhere. Call me when you figure it out 678-697-6532. My name is Bobby. Maybe if anyone you know is going to be at Central Park for this weekend's AO, they can pick them up for you. Her house is only about 10 minutes from CP. Saturday morning or anytime Sunday before 10 and after 1 is good for me this weekend.

I don't think you should waste your time and effort with all that. You should just define a path that goes up a little farther so you walk past 10's tee pad and then 9's basket(with a sign on one of the trees reminding you that discs could be in the air coming towards 9's basket). It's not that unusual to have path leading past another hole's tee pad, in fact it is a nice hello spot during tourneys. It just seems like a lot of work, when all you have to do is change the path. I don't think traffic would be a real issue.

What is the plan for hole 12? Will it stay where it is now? Hole 13 seemed a lot harder before the tee moved recently. How about 17's tee? When is the next official work day planned as I'd love to show up and pitch in?

Also what is the best way to play when people are in the way around the lake? On saturday there were a bunch of people fishing right by 16's basket and we yelled warnings but they wouldn't even look in our direction. We ended up playing the hole (carefully) and didn't hit anyone but even when they saw us and figured out what we were doing they didn't make any attempt to move. Should we have skipped the hole?

atl scott wrote:What is the plan for hole 12? Will it stay where it is now? Hole 13 seemed a lot harder before the tee moved recently. How about 17's tee? When is the next official work day planned as I'd love to show up and pitch in?

Also what is the best way to play when people are in the way around the lake? On saturday there were a bunch of people fishing right by 16's basket and we yelled warnings but they wouldn't even look in our direction. We ended up playing the hole (carefully) and didn't hit anyone but even when they saw us and figured out what we were doing they didn't make any attempt to move. Should we have skipped the hole?

Hole #12 will probably be staying as is.

I agree hole #13 was harder before. Now it is a birdie chance for most.

I think Pete is going to be out there this weekend working on teepads.

Hole #16 does get crowded and the people fishing have NO CLUE. We are going to be posting signs as soon as possible to warn them. I would not skip the hole. Have someone in your group walk up and ask them nicely to keep an eye out.

I will be out to do coursework on 4/25 sat. about 10am- whenever ? I'll try to get a round in at some point too. In case nobody noticed my other posting, I have an auger to use for a while, so I think this will help us make big progress on leveling the tees. If Mike or anyone else has specific directions or concerns, please try to post something before Saturday morning. My other plans are to clear and frame out hole #10's fairway, and make a "cobblestone path" for 12/16 fairways using the large white rocks from the parking lot. For what I have planned, the only thing to bring is a pair of work gloves and any saws/axes for chopping-up downed trees into smaller sections.

Any and all work is appreciated. As you mentioned, It needs to be run by myself or Greg before anything is done.

I think all you have proposed is fine. I will try to get out there, but I can not promise anything. We have soccer (my son) on Saturday and Sunday this weekend and a family function on Saturday afternoon.

I thank you for all the work you have done so far and appreciate you labor.

I think Kevin mentioned getting out there this weekend to work, so you should have some help.

.... I like your idea of moving 16's tee out to the island!! ... I will look into it and see what the parks dept thinks.

Finally got to play this one last weekend and was impressed with the layout. One suggestion for the teepads as you level them out. If you dust them with dry concrete they will be firmer and will be less slippy in wet weather. Do it before a light rain or before you leave in the late evening and moisture will will harden the powder. keep up the good work!

JPZ wrote:I carry a trashbag w/ me almost everytime I play my home course JPM...and quite a few others as well.Picking up other peoples cigs and empty drink containers is a big task on a disc golf course.

Maybe, I would like a place to throw away other peoples trash. I mean, I didn't bring that in and I don't hate getting it off the course either. go greenPisses me off but i'll do it But, I don't want to carry it all over the course.

I also understand the whole "evidence" thing. (beer cans/bottles)It is an issue that can not be helped. It's gonna happen.happens at ball golf courses.happens everywhere. in every sport.

The only solution I can come up with is buy trashcans w/ lids. Because, the course needs 'em and you can't stop people from drinking. the police have tried.But, you can pick 'em up and cover 'em up ...out of sight-out of mind

"Thoughts and idea's about the park"

You know, there never has been even one time that I needed or even could see a need for a trash can to be on a disc golf course while I was playing.

They're not there for you B.R. - they are there for the 'tards who weren't raised right... Better in the can than on the ground - I can't tell you how much crap is left on the CP course and there are trash cans (and signs) everywhere. My son and I picked up 1 1/2 big trash bags full of trash before the AO - and we need to do it again. Pisses me off...

Living in the United States where the hottest European import is Plutocracy...

I know the concrete thing didn't work on the 15th tee box, but did we have to move the box back? The increased distance isn't a big deal, but I clanked it off that damn pine tree that's in play now. Isn't anyone concerned about the fragile confidence of a beginner?

I don't think there are any electrical outlets in the middle of the course wherewe can plug in flashing signs pointing out the am pads. The am pads are there,you just have to navigate a little. 17 may be hard to discern at first, but locals should be able to help out. For the first timer, I would suggest walking arounda bit if you can't find the appropriate tee's for your skill level. This may seem obvious to most, but some..............

I remember trying to navigate many courses years ago without online help and Idid fine. Ask the locals and if none are around, look for the worn spots in the groundthat point at the worn spots around baskets. Look for the worn path between the two.

The guy who mows the grass is doing a fantastic job! I would still leave a thin strip of shule between the old and new pin placement on #2, it looks better when it isn't totally bald. All that earlier talk about the worn spots, just sounds a little too immature for my taste.By the way, #15 being further back is a great change, it makes you step up your game a little bit more. I think skill progression works like that or something.

Thats one of the great things about this sport, you can throw from where ever you would like! when golfing alone, I play from 1's basket to 2's basket. thinking about it 3's tee to 4's basket sounds interesting!

Well, I've been playing the course, and it's very challenging. Good for my health, no doubt.

But, while I was playing, and thinking of some of the answers to honest criticism on this board, a question keeps recurring in my mind.

Do you want more players on your course? Do you want more dollars in your tournaments? If you say yes, then maybe "f- off and learn to play, Barney!" isn't the right response. Some thought to recruitment might include considering criticisms and moderating the grueling nature of your course.

On the other hand, if you want to make a pro course where you and a few of your friends can play without having to condescend or interact with new players, then it seems as if it's working.

gregory63 wrote:Well, I've been playing the course, and it's very challenging. Good for my health, no doubt.

But, while I was playing, and thinking of some of the answers to honest criticism on this board, a question keeps recurring in my mind.

Do you want more players on your course? Do you want more dollars in your tournaments? If you say yes, then maybe "f- off and learn to play, Barney!" isn't the right response. Some thought to recruitment might include considering criticisms and moderating the grueling nature of your course.

On the other hand, if you want to make a pro course where you and a few of your friends can play without having to condescend or interact with new players, then it seems as if it's working.

I'd like to hear a bit more to your story. Were you told that on the course? The course is a demanding beast if you're not used to hilly terrain, but you can always play another course and that will solve the problem.

A redesign? How could the course be designed without having to walk up a hill? My only problem with the course is that its over an hour away.

My only criticism of the course is that it closes at sunset, but glow golf seems dangerous with those hills. I do like the new signs the park installed. No I am not talking about tee signs....I am talking about the snake signs. CAUTION (Copperhead image) SNAKES. But I am not discouraged at the waste of funds there, since the Paulding inmates are mowing and trimming that place to the standards of a country club. Thankyou first-time offenders!