Wednesday, November 16, 2016

I'm sure many of you can relate to this, but since the double whammy of Brexit and Trump, I'm feeling extremely lost and upset and having some trouble coping with the new reality. I've been a long time lurker here and since this has always seemed like a supportive community, I thought I'd reach out for some advice.

I live in the stereotypical liberal bubble in a left-liberal city. I don't have any friends or family or work colleagues who would have supported Trump, so I have struggled to understand how this has happened, or how ideas that have been our shared values since WWII have been shed in favour of what appears to me to be a resurgence of ethno-nationalistic fascism. That's not to say I haven't read widely on the subject, and at least intellectually now I can at least explain what has happened without believing that America and Britain have both gone through a massive swing towards racism, nativism, misogyny and hate, although I still believe that is part of the answer.

I'm terrified for for the state of the world. I'm afraid that the US will end up like Putin's Russia, with 85% approval ratings, a watertight internal propaganda system and spiralling human rights abuses. I'm afraid that with America abandoning its (admittedly flawed in practice) ideals of spreading democracy and human rights across the world, that the sum total of human suffering will increase drastically. Already Trump is suspected to drop all talk of human rights from negotiations with China, limit support of NATO allies, as well as South Korea and Japan, and I'm terrified of a return to pre-20th century 'might makes right' international relations where the powerful will exploit and abuse the weak.

After the election I went to one of my favourite thinkers, Jonathon Haidt. This recent video of him inspired me to try to reach out to Trump supporters via Twitter and try to genuinely understand and empathise with them, and perhaps in turn have them empathise with me. After a couple of days of that I've all but given up, having repeatedly bashed my head against the brick wall of Infowars, international Jewish Globalist conspiracy, and a well that is now permanently poisoned against anything from the liberal intellectual tradition.

Now I'm more lost than ever. I've actually become ill from worry and feel like I'm now just compulsively online, trying to understand and explain and maybe find a light at the end of the tunnel. My question to you guys is: what are you doing to cope? Is there a place that people like us can go for mutual support? What's the best way to stop this awful feeling of powerlessness and loss?

Wouldn't it be TERRIBLE and THE WORST THING EVER if 85 percent of the American people approved of their leader? These morons don't even listen to themselves, so why on Earth would they think we will?

This hapless individual has quite clearly learned nothing from "one of his favorite thinkers". He still thinks that if only he lectures the Alt-Right on a liberal intellectual tradition that we know better than he does, we'll come around to what can't rightly be called his way of thinking. Say, rather, his way of parroting left-liberal dogma.

We know the liberal intellectual tradition, both the genuine one and its subsequent substitution. We reject them both.

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It would be truly wonderful if 85% of the populace approved of their leader _and_ he deserved that approval. It would not be as good, for most purposes (existential war being the exception), if the approval was manufactured through mere propaganda and lies on a cosmic scale...you know, what might have happened had the Hildebeest won.

I suspect Trump will not disappoint. I am especially enthralled by the prospect of a national right to carry.

It is precisely at this time that we must hammer such cretins with nuclear levels of dialectic and dialectic-laced rhetoric.

These creatures are intellectually akin to sea anemones and if you bombard their mushy neurology with hardcore facts, it will eventually sink in as their new behaviour.Not that they will have understood anything or evolved at all, no, these beings are wholly incapable of reasoned thought, but they can be re-shaped into autonomic sound buoys.

Their peculiar neurology means they will morph and ape and repeat slogans in order to feel part of the group. So hit them hard and repeatedly with dialectic facts. Eventually their weak constitutions will have them repeating these facts.

The only other alternative is mass graves for the lot of them, so this is the humane thing to do. Crush them and any hope they may have.

Would be more appropriate to call it the liberal anti-intellectual tradition considering it requires you to accept Y to be correct in order for X to be correct, but if Y is wrong then X is still correct and you are still a racist.It literally requires Occam's razor to be wrong every time (I can say literally too).

Maybe asking us to die, and, if not that, to deny us jobs and livelihoods was not the best opener for winning friends and influencing people. Maybe Barack Obama screaming, "Elections have consequences! I won!" and his supporters charging any disagreement as racism poisoned the well?

- Writer also states they haven't read widely on the subject yet cries out for explanations as to what is going on. The "new reality" quite clearly is just "reality" as it has been for at least a couple of decades and the writer has been (by their own admission) completely insulated from it in a Metroluvvie bubble.

- They remind me very much of the remainers I butted heads with over Brexit. They were sold on an EU that didn't exist in reality. Just as reading the Koran will turn most neutral rational readers against Islam, reading the treaties the UK (& all other member states) signed with the EU should turn anyone into a Eurosceptic.

- I've yet to encounter a dedicated remainer who has read the treaties. And when I tell them about some of the clauses (such as the French & British UN Security Council votes being subject to the direction of the EU "High Representative"), they refuse to believe it or even see for themselves in the treaties.

Similar applies to completely justified fears of the overtly inimical globalist policies such as Agenda 21 and handing over control of internet DNS to the UN. The former being directly responsible for purposeful rationing of energy and water supplies in the West and the latter opening the floodgates for worldwide censorship. It's in the public domain, from the horses mouth yet the Metroluvvies prefer to believe in some kind of alternate reality.

"I am especially enthralled by the prospect of a national right to carry."

Bad idea. The cities really do need different laws than flyover countries, for reasons that should be clear to people who are darkly enlightened.

As far the right to bear arms in America, I feel as though Conservatives have won this for all time (or at least as far as my imagination can take me). The facts on the ground are the amount of guns and ammunition in private hands is astronomical. There are maybe 100 million gun owners with an average of 4 guns each and the NRA motto is, 'from my cold dead hands.' Guns, properly cared for, can last almost indefinitely.

Vox: I really appreciate your blog and have also enjoyed your books. I was red pilled earlier this year and my wife followed shortly thereafter, largely due to circumstances influenced by the elections.

That being said, I have a question for you. I am white. My wife is half white, half Asian. We are both American and she identifies as a white American. We both support and promote white identity. My children look white and identify as white Americans. I understand that the Alt-Right is a white nationalist movement. Where would a family such as my own fit into the Alt-Right? I apologize ahead of time if this is something that you have discussed previously.

He unconsciously sees himself as being unable to compete with high achieving people. So to be put into a high achievement based environment would be a terror for him because unconsciously he may not be able to reproduce and even if he managed it, his weak progeny would be unable to find a high social standing, thus endangering his wiring to contribute his genetic information.

If I told him the country would have mass brownouts a return to 1920's medicine, and a lack of even toilet paper, he's be in seventh heaven because that is a non-achievement society and he doesn't have to compete as hard with his betters, since most of them will be fighting and dying while he will be skulking around sneaking sex from the women whose mates are otherwise occupied (fighting and dying).

Thus granting him a greater possible to reproductive access.

It always comes down to the unconscious motivations of our bodies. Either we are aware of them and find the strength to rule them, or they will rule us and cause disaster for us and everyone around us (and anger our Creator).

I live in the stereotypical liberal bubble in a left-liberal city. I don't have any friends or family or work colleagues who would have supported Trump, so I have struggled to understand how this has happened

At least this person understands enough to state their problem accurately, so I disagree with @4 that they are "akin to sea anemones" since though foundering and whining, this type of individual has shown the ability to think and not just parrot. These are the kind of people we may be able to reason with, educate, and hopefully rescue from their failed ideology.

As a Christian, I hold out hope for everyone's redemption and conversion to the truth, though some are closer than others (such as this person), and I reject the temptation to back up the garbage truck to the landfill and pull the lever on half of America. Many of those can be redeemed.

Would be more appropriate to call it the liberal anti-intellectual tradition considering it requires you to accept Y to be correct in order for X to be correct, but if Y is wrong then X is still correct and you are still a racist.

No, it would not.

We are both American and she identifies as a white American. We both support and promote white identity. My children look white and identify as white Americans. I understand that the Alt-Right is a white nationalist movement. Where would a family such as my own fit into the Alt-Right.

In the Alt-West, presumably. The Alt-White probably wouldn't have you, just as they won't have me. Which is fine. That doesn't mean you can't be allied with them; the Alt-White doesn't want you dead nor does it seek to destroy your culture whereas the Left wants you dead and your culture erased.

However, to a certain extent, the question is a category error. The Alt-Right is both a political identity and an observable predictive model. You need not subscribe to the former to utilize the latter.

And if you're dumb enough to think that who you are has any significance for the latter, well, the Alt-Right certainly doesn't need you.

-a watertight internal propaganda systemWe already have this. It's called the (((MSM))). The Clinton e-mail leaks prove this on record beyond a shadow of any doubt. No longer can it simply be dismissed as mere conspiracy theory to suggest that western media is state propaganda. Shit, even leftist heroes like Chomsky have been saying this for decades.

-spiralling human rights abusesI thought, according to leftists, that we already have this? What the fuck is all that "smash the patriarchy" and "destroy capitalism" and "black lives matter" bullshit all about then? I guess the west has Schrodinger's oppression.

-deals of spreading democracy and human rights across the worldSince when the fuck do leftists advocate for the neocon Bush doctrine version of foreign policy?

-drop all talk of human rights from negotiations with ChinaWouldn't it be cultural imperialism to impose our western values onto China? Isn't this why leftists whiteknight for Islam wherein they claim that female genital mutilation and honor killings are "just another culture you racist white devil!"

-limit support of NATO alliesNATO is a relic of the cold war and has no right to exist. Again, I thought the left was supposed to be opposed to imperialism?

-as well as South Korea and JapanKoreans and Japanese want American military bases to fuck off their sovereign land forever. They want to have the ability to build up their own real standing armies which they have been forbidden to do post-WWII.

-I'm terrified of a return to pre-20th century 'might makes right' international relations where the powerful will exploit and abuse the weak.The same people who exploited and abused the weak and funded both sides of every war prior to the 20th century are the same people who are still in power today and continue their cancerous evil. And globalization is infinitely worse than whatever this cuck is whining about.

> They deserve the same amount of mercy they'd give us should the roles be reversed: none.

They deserve the same amount of mercy they did give us when the roles were reversed: none.

> We want them to get a grip and think clearly before their wanton stupidity plunges every people on earth into a new century of bloodshed.

Not anymore. Kevin Williamson drove the final nail in the coffin on that. I wish them the same they wish on us: To die; alone, friendless, and in the cold.

> ...and I reject the temptation to back up the garbage truck to the landfill and pull the lever on half of America. Many of those can be redeemed.

I'm sure some of them can. And I leave it to God to use the vessels most appropriate to that task. I'm not one of them. That's a failing, for which I ask forgiveness; but it's not within my power to change, and he doesn't seem to be of a mood to do so.

#2 - This election was, in part, a propaganda war. Given the media trust ratings, some are starting to see it for what it is, but I'm afraid that many of our 'educated' have had free thought 'educated' out of them. You can't reach this sort of people through reason. A picture with headline, name calling - anything that pulls their emotional strings is what forms their foundational beliefs. For them, propaganda is the tool of choice. You can't get 85% approval without propaganda because many more than 15% of the people don't understand reason. I would venture to guess that more than 15% of the people can't even determine whether their own circumstances have improved.

This recent video of him inspired me to try to reach out to Trump supporters via TWITTER...

Well, there's part of your problem.

I live in the stereotypical liberal bubble in a left-liberal city. I don't have any friends or family or work colleagues who would have supported Trump...

...America and Britain have both gone through a massive swing towards racism, nativism, misogyny and hate

And there's the other part of your problem.

Even if this joker knew somebody who supported Trump, he would immediately frame them in a way that makes it impossible to understand them rationally.

It's even worse than he suspects, though. Trump has shown that not only is the mainstream media untrustworthy and dishonest, they're also completely unnecessary and ineffective. The media hasn't quite got a handle on this yet, but it's perhaps the biggest outcome of this election. There is no mainstream media. They aren't the soi disant gatekeepers of truth their J-school professors told them they were. Trump demonstrated how toothless and feeble they are in the modern Internet-connected world.

"The Alt-White probably wouldn't have you, just as they won't have me. Which is fine."

Ya know, it's funny. I look German enough. Used to speak quite good German with an effectively perfect set of German accents. I'm one of a relatively few Americans who can blend in among Germans and not look like an American if I don't want to. I also like the hell out of Germans and Germany, enough to have taught myself the language when I was 12 and 13.

But once, while in the 101st, on Reforger 76, I went into a club in Nuremberg, not trying to hide my Americaness, and was asked to leave. In that moment, for a while, all affection for Germany and Germans was forgotten, and I wanted the city retroactively obliterated, nuked down to bedrock.

I rather feel that way, if I haven't already made it obvious enough, about the alt-white. Ultimately, we're just not compatible. I could never ally with them, not for any cause. And, right here, they've made it clear enough that we _must_ be enemies.

&8 KatabasisThis guy is really on to something. Actually read the Koran, etc. if you want to understand what is going on. However, as of right now, Congress doesn't even the documents before they sign them into law.

My question to you guys is: what are you doing to cope? Is there a place that people like us can go for mutual support? What's the best way to stop this awful feeling of powerlessness and loss?

Jesus inaugurated his ministry saying, "Repent, and believe the good news." Fear God and you will not fear Man. Surrender to Christ and be saved. You can choose to be guarded by the Good Shepherd, attended by the Great Physician, and led into peace that passes all understanding if you turn to Jesus of Nazareth as savior. He did instruct his followers to pray, "... deliver us from evil.." Become his follower, that's the perfect first step.

@39 Tom you seem to focus a lot on Alt-White even though from what I'm reading, they are a small subset of Alt-Right. They set the bar to entry to their little club so high no one really cares. But if they do come for you or your wife, can you record your response? I'm sure it will go viral on YouTube.

@39 The Alt-White seems much too exclusive to ever be mainstream in the US. That being said, I won't fault them. It seems they should be natural allies for the rest of us, even if not on purpose. Why do you think "we must be enemies"? Why punch right?

The creature drew a particularly vindictive sneer from me when he bleated about trying to "reach out" to Trump supporters.

After years of directing venomous hatred, loathing, and vituperation against Whites, gloating over how we're going to die out and be replaced by brown people, about how we're loathsome, worthless bigots and racists and misogynists who are the scum of the earth while kissing up to brainless, murderous googles and brutal ragheads, NOW he wants to "reach out?" Awwww, how precious.

As for the doubts about national right to carry based on the inner cities -- I find the idea of a bunch of hooting, grunting google gang-bangers worrying about a concealed carry license to be hilarious. And agree with the poster above who said that the law-abiding in the cities (i.e. Whites) need special access to automatic weapons and the latitude to use them when necessary.

Interesting how the need for a global empire to enforce liberalism is so neatly articulated. We always knew that world democratic revolution and the military empire it requires are inherently leftist, but it's nice to see that they're not hiding it any more.

First I have to finish Unto the Last Generation for Riding the Red Horse II, presuming that ever gets back in motion. (Yes, yes, Vox, I know there are some higher priorities, and by and large I approve, but a long enough delay and I'll lose interest, expand UTLG to a novel, and give it to Toni. That's why there have been no more "collabs" with Ringo, he wanted to delay and I lost interest.)

Right after that, I'll get back to work on A Pillar of Fire by Night, the end of the Carrera story on Terra Nova. Eventually, if I live long enough, I'll do the reconquista of Old Earth, but before I do that I want to do SeeAdler: The Oxford Pledge, which is about the German invasion of England a couple of days after Rommel's 7th Panzer reaches Boulogne sur Mer. Yes, it can be / could have been done.

Dan wrote:"I am especially enthralled by the prospect of a national right to carry."

Bad idea. The cities really do need different laws than flyover countries, for reasons that should be clear to people who are darkly enlightened.

You have it backwards. Currently I can carry in 32 states with my Tennessee carry permit. Were I to travel to those cities for work, I would be disallowed to carry due to their 'special laws'. This is why I want national right to carry... so I can travel and appropriately defend myself in those hellholes without risking time in club fed.

The problem with the Alt-White is that they want to force their beliefs on the whole country. Nobody here cares if they have their goofy asses on some white-only reservation in the middle of nowhere. But there are a great many people of various flavors of right, alt or not, who don't want to be anywhere near them.

Not American. Might be a US citizen but not American same as our friend with the Filipino wife.

One of the attractions of Vox Popoli is the international flavor(flavour) of the posts and commenters. What has surprised me the most in this election cycle has been observing how many non-Americans view the US presidential choice affecting them personally.

This little snowflake feels he has the whole weight of the world on his shoulders now that those dumb Americans elected Trump; "I'm terrified for for the state of the world." Rrrreally?

Probably 85℅ or more Americans couldn't evem identify the UK prime minister but Brits and British media have almost an obsession with US politics. I find it fascinating that non-US citizens are influenced to this degree by US politics

An old friend from SF that I follow on twitter is literally convinced that divisions of the KKK are going to be marching on the Castro. The leftwing hysterics he has retweeted since the dawning of Der Trumpenreich have made putting up with his feed well worth it.

The latest one was a hysterically funny medium article claiming a latino gay man was beaten nearly to death in the Castro by a white supremacist. No names or links, of course.

Note the comments on that Reddit include: 1) Going into a fantasy world of superheroes and 2) Reading Marx and others. Another commenter dropped a huge bomb on all of it by saying for most of the world, might still makes right. That's what Leftists do not understand. Outside of the Western world (America and western Europe) that's how it is. You needn't look any further than Nicaragua and Venezuela to see that caudillos still run things.

"Maybe asking us to die, and, if not that, to deny us jobs and livelihoods was not the best opener for winning friends and influencing people. Maybe Barack Obama screaming, "Elections have consequences! I won!" and his supporters charging any disagreement as racism poisoned the well?"

"Bad idea. The cities really do need different laws than flyover countries, for reasons that should be clear to people who are darkly enlightened."

@12 No, they don't. Gangbangers, et. al. are usually convicted felons and thus forbidden from possessing, much less carrying, firearms. What about those of us that live in cities in flyover country who can't afford (yet, at least) to move to the suburbs?

@65: And yet... to all of these guys crying about what to say to people who are "scared"—people who have in one way or another been imposing on the American people for years and now find that the American people is actually awake and looking at them (so far all that we've done)... my answer is; maybe it's about time that you felt a little scared. Should a guy burgling a house be a little bit scared that maybe the homeowners will be there, awake, and will call the cops getting him thrown in jail? Or worse, pull out a shotgun and shoot him in the face? Why shouldn't a guy in that situation feel a little scared? Same here; why shouldn't the people who are trying to steal our birthright out from under us and undermine everything about America that makes it America be a little scared?

"Probably 85℅ or more Americans couldn't evem identify the UK prime minister but Brits and British media have almost an obsession with US politics. I find it fascinating that non-US citizens are influenced to this degree by US politics"

The United States has the military might to go to war with and (assuming proper execution) defeat the majority of the planet simultaneously. We're the lead power in the largest military alliance on the planet. We're a full fifth of the world's GDP but only a twentieth of its population. Almost every meaningful scientific advancement of the last 50 years has come from, or was developed in conjunction with, this country.

The only sensible thing for them is caring a whole damn lot about our elections.

"I live in the stereotypical liberal bubble in a left-liberal city. I don't have any friends or family or work colleagues who would have supported Trump, so I have struggled to understand how this has happened"

In other words, in spite of speaking the words, this idiot has absolutely no self-awareness of his insularity and confirmation bias.

My first years voting as a young "conservative" saw two cycles loss to the immoral Clinton after 3 cycles of electoral triumph in my formative years. I too struggled not to hate the Other until new levels of the love of Christ filled my soul. My teachers and culture also tried to teach me the bigotries and hatreds of class warfare, as taught by that father of war and mass murder, that evil progressive Marx.

So believe me, I condescend to empathize. I'm just experienced enough to know the answer is for you to abandon the evil you cling to in your naive simplicity - "tolerance, class warfare, and barbaric one world government under some corrupt hun" - for love, neighborliness, and the civilization of the varied tapestry of Christian nations.

So out of empathetic love for you, we won't let you rest as you are, we'll pressure you to give up evil and join good through every avenue we have - political, social, intellectual, technological.

Deplorable Gaiseric wrote:@65: And yet... to all of these guys crying about what to say to people who are "scared"—people who have in one way or another been imposing on the American people for years and now find that the American people is actually awake and looking at them (so far all that we've done)...

I still occasionally try dropping federalism/secessionism as a solution to their problem.

Going to the gym is even more fun! This morning between sets, I looked up at CNN and the scroll was all about Trump disrepecting the media and not following protocol. It gave me a second endorphin rush.

The hilarity and amazing blind stupidity of the following caught my attention:

I'm terrified for for the state of the world. I'm afraid that the US will end up like Putin's Russia, with 85% approval ratings, a watertight internal propaganda system and spiralling human rights abuses.

.... as opposed to a (((media))) in the west who lies 100% of the time, the "free" world where one gets arrested for ungoodthoughts, while entrenched elites import musloids (Rotherham) to enslave white English girls as young as 8 or 9, while the police, under orders from (((those who call the shots))) allow it to go on for years and arrest those who notice it's been going on. Delusional does not even describe an idiot like this. He's just spouting the usual SJW lies, which they of course do more naturally than they breathe air.

I used the UK-Okrug (still in the EUSSR we note) as my example of western "free-dumb" but even prosecutors in red-states like Idaho threatened those who complained about Somalian rape-fu-gees imported by Churchians going for little white kids as well. Note also the Judeo-Islamic alliance announced just yesterday by the ADL - an organizaton which was founded to subvert justice for a (((factory owner))) who raped a 13-year old and killed her in 1914 because despite all the bribes and antics, some outraged citizens gave the (((Satanic scum))) justice at the end of a rope.

Putin's Russia, with its flaws, still has more freedom for Russians than Theresa May's UK-Okrug has for the English, Francois Hollande's French Okrug has for the French, or Angela Merkel's Deutsche-Okrug has for Germans. Yes Putinland could use some loosening up but then again they do have have Soros, the Banana Empire and his assorted (((minions))) attempting to undermine things there as well.

"True, the cities need full auto in the hands of the law abiding and liberal rules of engagement / protections against lawsuits while flyover country doesn't."

Zing! Eh, I'm not so scared of the cities, as long as its daytime. I went to downtown DC and wore my MAGA hat as I waded on purpose through a crowd of dumb protesters on 11/9 just for lulz, with a huge grin.

Protesters: Hey, you voted for Trump didn't you?Me, strolling past: That's private. I don't have to tell you who I voted for.

By the time their minds processed the confusion, I had moved smoothly along.

Hillary winning the popular vote is much worse for the left than her losing it. It means they will learn nothing from this election. Besides a couple of leftists, the rest I've read are all doubling down.

The United States has the military might to go to war with and (assuming proper execution) defeat the majority of the planet simultaneously. We're the lead power in the largest military alliance on the planet. We're a full fifth of the world's GDP but only a twentieth of its population. Almost every meaningful scientific advancement of the last 50 years has come from, or was developed in conjunction with, this country.

Simultaneously? No, and Martin Van Creveld tells us we haven't been successful militarily since what? WWII?

Many would regard the other things you mention as happening in spite of the POTUS whoever it happens to be.

They never, never, never want to talk about the number of trans people who kill themselves. When they do, it's in terms of society didn't support him/her, so her/him had to commit suicide", when in fact, it's more like:

"This person was mentally ill, and society and others indulged the illness, and now the illness has gotten so advanced that there's no coming back".

You rarely ever see a well-adjusted, stable, happy trans person because it's a category error.

"Already Trump is suspected to drop all talk of human rights from negotiations with China, limit support of NATO allies, as well as South Korea and Japan, and I'm terrified of a return to pre-20th century 'might makes right' international relations where the powerful will exploit and abuse the weak."

As if the powerful have not *always* "exploited and abused" the weak. The 20th century was no exception to might makes right international relations. Check the history of the CIA. Check the history of US government overthrows of sovereign governments. Check the history of SAUDi Arabia. The United State is not exceptional; it makes LIBERAL use of force and deceit.

"This person was mentally ill, and society and others indulged the illness, and now the illness has gotten so advanced that there's no coming back."

It's pretty funny when your realize their game plan for trannies is to force the rest of us into a worldwide game of make-believe. Like they really think that could happen. "TELL HER SHES BEAUTIFUL YOU SHITLORD!" LOL.

It's like they are having a collective nervous breakdown. I guess that might not be too far from accurate since they are of the collectivist hive-mind sort. Trump killed the mother ship and now all the drones are falling from the sky.

disappoint. I am especially enthralled by the prospect of a national right to carry.

Everyone will want to buy FN5.7 so they can walk around NYC with 30 round mags and a West Virginia CCW.

Maybe asking us to die, and, if not that, to deny us jobs and livelihoods was not the best opener for winning friends and influencing people.

I am having more fun taunting people that their support of Trannies in little girls bathrooms during the election year is why Crooked Eye Clinton lost.

"The cities really do need different laws than flyover countries, for reasons that should be clear to people who are darkly enlightened."

Yes NYC and San Fran decriminalized shitting on the streets because only non Asian minorities got arrested for it. Gays in CA are suing because STR8 people don't get arrested having sex on little league fields as often as they do.

> They deserve the same amount of mercy they'd give us should the roles be reversed: none.

I'm one of a relatively few Americans who can blend in among Germans and not look like an American if I don't want to

I managed to blend in while I was there.

Tom Kratman Because it was a red students' club and they didn't like American soldiers

One of the gay bars would have welcomed you.

hysterically funny medium article claiming a latino gay man was beaten nearly to death in the Castro by a white supremacist

Do you mean the 20+STR8 guys in San Fran that beat up a gay for wearing white after labor day? Talk about not leaving bubbles. It turned out to be his boyfriend for cheating on him. http://www.towleroad.com/2016/02/302087/

William Cuckley, Jr.I am white. My wife is half white, half Asian. We are both American and she identifies as a white American. We both support and promote white identity. My children look white and identify as white Americans. I understand that the Alt-Right is a white nationalist movement. Where would a family such as my own fit into the Alt-Right? I apologize ahead of time if this is something that you have discussed previously.

Vox explained it very nicely above. I'll put this way: The vast majority of the alt-white is content with the 14 words and will not bother you unless you start hassling them and doing things like setting up a Churchian program to import more Somalians into Idaho, more Aztecs as cheap labor, etc. There is a fringe of Hitler fan-boys (who never seem to grasp the concept that Hitler wrecked Germany and made Angela Merkel possible), who would likely deport you if they actually had their own country because of a one-drop rule or the like.

Their fear is not entirely without reason because of what we saw in the voting tallies - Trump was voted into office by whites. Consciously or not, he followed the 'Sailer Strategy' and won. At least 2/3 of non-whites voted for a Satanist pedophile who'd abolish the first and second amendments in a heartbeat. This is indicative of either massive stupidity - believing the wall-to-wall lies of the (((media))), or simply an innate desire to displace whites. The cucks and constitutional ghost-dancers who think negroes and Mexicans give a damn about concepts such as "rule of law" and "natural rights" are delusional. Look no further than Mexico or any African country to see the folly of such notions. IKAGO exceptions like Ben Carson are just that - exceptions to a rule (which is accurate 9 of 10 times when it comes to blacks).

An old friend from SF that I follow on twitter is literally convinced that divisions of the KKK are going to be marching on the Castro.

Do they really believe that? I mean, really? I have a hard time believing they do, and that most of this isn't drama queen performance art.

For starters, if I were truly convinced and frightened that a new leadership had taken power that would soon be seeking out people like me to lynch, I wouldn't go online and draw their attention to myself by calling them names. I know they're not rational, but that's just instinctive self-preservation.

They still act like they want the KKK to charge in and make some noise, because they know Trump isn't as bad as they say, so it wouldn't be a big deal but would give them more to blame on him.

Well... something like 100,000 mischlings served in the Wehrmacht. Social, and even biological, categories are rarely absolute. They blur into one another at the edges. This is reminiscent of the leftist technique of focusing on the atypical, rather than the typical, case. Or, as the lawyers say, hard cases maake bad law.

In real life, I doubt very much that even the most ardent neo-Nazi is losing sleep over 1/4 Asians as an existential threat to White nations.

Yeah, the weirdest thing about all the cis- terminology is it sets in stone that the one thing trans- can never be is cis-female. The call for "bathrooms by gender" just means a request 4+ types of bathrooms... or more practically, only ever single cramped private restrooms.

I myself have precisely the opposite view. Once its in federal hands... the feds can ban it on that level.

That was my instinct too. I know it's harder to get things passed in 50 states, but most of them have by now. Even Illinois has concealed carry since 2013 (requires 16 hours of training), and it was one of the last complete holdouts. I'm wary of legislation at the national level that might very well be more restrictive than what some states already have.

That's not to say I haven't read widely on the subject, and at least intellectually now I can at least explain what has happened without believing that America and Britain have both gone through a massive swing towards racism, nativism, misogyny and hate, although I still believe that is part of the answer.

So close yet so far from understanding. If you just replace "nativism" with "tribalism" and add "envy" and "entitlement", then you have a perfect description of the non-white colonists.

> I myself have precisely the opposite view. Once its in federal hands... the feds can ban it on that level.

I think they'll simply talking mandatory reciprocity at this point, Nate. After all, if Alabama has to recognize gay marriages from CA, why shouldn't CA hae to recognize Alabama's concealed carry? Now, how they handle states that don't even require a concealed carry license is going to be the interesting question. :)

The stupidity is one thing. But the absolute credulousness of accepting the veracity of every single one of these breathlessly absurd reports is astonishing. I'm not there, but my impression is that there are lots of riots by leftists, and reports by other leftists of allegedly exuberant pro-Trump graffiti. The only report that included an actual arrest were two...anti-Trumper students, but then I repeat myself,spray-painting a swastika somewhere.

Cail, I don't think it's mere gaslighting. These people, and I know a few, are literally terrified that "they" are coming for them. The KKK is taking over. Fascism is on the march. And so forth. It does make for wonderful practice on my rhetoric. I'm getting very, very good at delivering megaton-range payloads their way. I seriously thought the fun was going to end last week. I'm so glad I was wrong. We have four years, at least. Given their nearly universal fragile psyches, we can destroy them in that time.

Is there a hidden switch on their heads somewhere to turn them on? Or activate a special mode a la AI to make them behave more human (terrible movie; I remember walking out of it at the end with my wife and F-I-L and all three of us going, WTF!)?

I'm one of a relatively few Americans who can blend in among Germans and not look like an American if I don't want to.

I was in Italy a couple of weeks ago and tried to blend in. I even left my white sneakers at home, as per VD's advice. However, the locals pegged me immediately. Without me even saying anything, they would immediately start talking to me in English. Must be my pasty white skin.

Sadly, although it is a form of mental illness, it's not really a breakdown. It's both a propaganda campaign on a huge scale, and part of the "doubling down" process.

That said, thought one of the funnier hoaxes was the one in NYC, where several Jewesses at the (((New School))) woke up to find swastikas drawn on their doors. Because, as everyone knows, the (((New School))) is simply crawling with Nazis. Or perhaps they teleported themselves into the dorm...

Here is how I coped as a child: Etch a Sketch, Lincoln Logs, Lite-Brite if you can find one, BMX bicycle, Hot Wheels, Mighty Monster Maker, Silly Puddy, and Star Wars action figures. Start with these and then gradually let them go as you grow up.

Speaking of never learning lessons, I note the Repukes unanimously voted the worthless cuck Paul Ryan as Ho-House speaker - again. Guess he has a list of their trips to Epstein Island. As has been mentioned, Trump is merely a first step. Cucks and Churchians need to be forced to take a long walk off of a short plank. Wonder what crap they're planning for the lame-dick session next month while Bathhouse Barry-O is still holding the pardon pen.

After the election I went to one of my favourite thinkers, Jonathon Haidt. This recent video of him inspired me to try to reach out to Trump supporters via Twitter and try to genuinely understand and empathise with them, and perhaps in turn have them empathise with me.

Another sociopath from the left who wishes to "empathize" with us. Not possible. He and his kind openly cheered the idea of the genocide of the white in the USA, and the West in general. There can be no compromise or empathy. EVER.

"That's not to say I haven't read widely on the subject, and at least intellectually now I can at least explain what has happened without believing that America and Britain have both gone through a massive swing towards racism, nativism, misogyny and hate, although I still believe that is part of the answer..."

America and Britain have not undergone a massive swing towards racism, nativism, misogyny and hate. Racism, nativism, misogyny and hate are the natural condition of humans in a fallen world. We white folks were willing to make it a better world. We were willing to set aside our instincts and create a propositional society where race, gender and sexual orientation were seen as superfluous and everyone was judged on his/her/xer's individual actions.

The problem is NO ONE else (besides white people) were willing to take up that view. ALL non-whites were tribal and insisted on acting in their own tribe's interest, while at the same time they banned white people from acting solely in theirs. When you have a game where every party cheats except one, the party that doesn't cheat is going to have its ass handed to it in time. Whites are only just starting to realize that now.

My wife's a Native American. But "white nationalism" and the alt right aren't synonymous... it's just a 95% overlap, but they are different things. A black man who knows that there are a lot of dumbass black people, and thinks we're all better off with white people running the country than Chinese Jewish Latinos, can be alt right.

"I'm terrified for for the state of the world. I'm afraid that the US will end up like Putin's Russia, with 85% approval ratings, a watertight internal propaganda system and spiralling human rights abuses. I'm afraid that with America abandoning its (admittedly flawed in practice) ideals of spreading democracy and human rights across the world, that the sum total of human suffering will increase drastically. Already Trump is suspected to drop all talk of human rights from negotiations with China, limit support of NATO allies, as well as South Korea and Japan, and I'm terrified of a return to pre-20th century 'might makes right' international relations where the powerful will exploit and abuse the weak."

Wow, reality *still* hasn't penetrated your bubble.

Watertight internal propaganda system? What do you think the Legacy media is and was to the "Progressive" left?

Spiralling human rights abuses? You mean like constant attacks against the First Amendment, Second Amendment and Due Process rights? A Clinton administration would have spelled the end of those fundamental rights for all Americans.

'might makes right' international relations where the powerful will exploit and abuse the weak." Maybe you should actually read some of those "Dead White Men" the Left tries to keep you in ignorance of. Thucydides wrote it best during the aftermath of the Peloponnesian Wars @ 430 BC :

"The Strong Do What They Can, And The Weak Suffer What They Must"

Want to actually do something about that? Become strong. Read. Allow reality to enter your life. It isn't pretty but it is far more useful in understanding the world than the "narrative" of the Left.

Francis Parker Yockey wrote:Not to be too DR3-ish, but he tried to frame a google for it, too.To a degree, it worked. I mean, sure, Frank got convicted and then lynched, but nowadays "everyone agrees" that it was a miscarriage of justice and the poor google janitor was actually at fault.

Part of me wonders if we're not thinking big enough. Alt-Tech? We need to start looking at Alt-Space. Start an alt company with even grander goals than SpaceX. Set up a permanent presence in Earth orbit at first with the ultimate long term goal of O'Neill colonies far enough away to be safe from pot shots lobbed by the decaying scrapheap of the Earth.

After a couple of days of that I've all but given up, having repeatedly bashed my head against the brick wall of Infowars, international Jewish Globalist conspiracy, and a well that is now permanently poisoned against anything from the liberal intellectual tradition.

I hit this part and starting laughing hysterically. I know he said Twitter, but a mental image formed of a SJW visiting 4chan/pol/ for the first time to tell them how wonderful progressive ideology is.

These are the images that flashed through my mind: Alex Jones smiling while standing over TYT. Cartoon Jews standing behind posts. Sceen shots of Tay tweets about Hitler. And liberals crying their eyes out.

I think I'm going to pretend to be a sympathetic Hillary supporter for a few days to tell liberals I'm opening the eyes of conservatives at this intellectual forum called 4chan. Come join me!

praetorian wrote:Deplorable Gaiseric wrote:@65: And yet... to all of these guys crying about what to say to people who are "scared"—people who have in one way or another been imposing on the American people for years and now find that the American people is actually awake and looking at them (so far all that we've done)...

I still occasionally try dropping federalism/secessionism as a solution to their problem.

Blank faces, then right back to the hysterics.

Send them a link to Larry Correia's Guide for Liberals Who are Suddenly Interested in Owning a Gun. (it's hilarious.)

Tell them that's the remedy to their fears of cattle cars and that you have no interest in listening to them whine about how scared they are.

Great post, I sent it around to some whom are still mourning and grieving an absurd woman under FBI probe failed along with the entire media. I have asked them what other problems do they have in life such a major events like cancer, stroke, heart attack to car wrecks to divorce, I mean real problems - they lives are centered around the worldview of the HRC's/Tv Heads and its comical but sad.

A great thank you to Vox, to Baby Nero my beloved Milo to Mike Cerno, to so many other men and women to the ilk, vfm, dread ilk (for all you do!) whom understood and properly explained the GG matter (and other issues over time) as it also weaves into the current events today. Isn't true that this month 2 years ago Vox was explaining GG in 11/2014?

118 great comments, I have defined or had to define was gaslighting was & was not in how others are going thru in this post election cry in session - I never could relate to this safe space. play doh coloring book stuff as to many of us is this foreign concept of arrested development.

I have explained that no one is coming after them, in fact the evil system (like twitter's satanic banning just in today from USA Today) views them as their livestock and will coddle, accommodate their stupidity and wrecked minds into more submission.

How totally foreign who are these pple unable to cope with election results, why do they need a leader or master over them as they scream SJW narratives that we all find utterly contradictory if not zero sense of agency to even cognitive dissonance.

I guess the never Trumpers dont want jobs or a future or want a leader with 85% approval, they LOVE completely failed, discredited media, they hate strong men, they hate the patriarchy and love satanic feminism and this bulls-ht immigration invasion reality America DOES face.

" . . . don't be surprised if we don't see the need to tie our state regulations to New York's in a way that might backfire on us."

Hence the rejection of the Arizona solution.

Bear in mind that my goal would be to run the equation in reverse, to gain full constitutional carry throughout the United States. Not to tie Vermont to NY (and MA, which is just as important to SVers) in a way that backfires on VT, but in a way that forces NY/MA/et al to accept constitutional carry.

@64:What has surprised me the most in this election cycle has been observing how many non-Americans view the US presidential choice affecting them personally.

When you live on Airstrip One, knowing how likely it is there'll be incoming is of significant importance. Fortunately, the preferable candidate won in this instance -- http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732135/donald-trump-election-defcon-reduced-level-5-safest-level

Between Trump, Brexit, and calls for Merkel to form the New Axis on which the world spins - err, I mean to be the new champion of "Western Liberalism", we do have the makings of Oceania vs Eurasia here...

praetorian wrote:Of course, when you talk about leftist hysterics, what we term "belief" here in Alt-Rightistan is only tangentially related to what is going on in their heads.

Leftists have internalized post-modern concepts (perception shapes reality) without first going through. Thus, they live according to a sort of dream logic, where reality has no object permanence (peek-a-boo!) and acknowledgement grants power...and this is in their waking lives.

15. William Buckley: Speaking for myself, if you play on our team, by our rules, you're OK. A few non-Whites won't hurt us. Much of the problem of minorities is that there are too many of them, and they cling together, forming a bloc of Not Us.

"I live in a liberal bubble..." "That's not to say I have read about them."

Yet they wonder why they don't understand. They really don't want to understand or they would build a genuine relationship with someone on the Alt-Right and attempt to develop and understanding.

It reminds me of years ago when I still watched O'reilly on Fox. Someone would try to explain a culture to him and he would say something to the effect, "oh, I know all about that. I lived there a couple of months."

Oh, I doubt I could blend in among Italians...or English or Irish, for that matter; it's German-specific and didn't come without working at it from an early age. I'm not sure I could do it anymore; it's been 20 years since I tried.

It's a 100% state issue until you step outside your state armed, at which point you're possibly one police stop away from it becoming a 100% personal issue. If you live in the middle of Alabama, and never intend and never will travel anywhere else in the country, then it's okay for you to not have a genuine right to carry and it's okay for you to object. For the rest of us, for anyone who does need to travel, it would be a boon. As for the fed then taking it away, so what? What have you lost then that you had before? Remember, they're not mandating (this proposal comes up quite often in Congress) a federal license, but the extension of the validity of your state license to anyplace that grants a license to its own.

Tom, I've pegged you for a phenotype which has a specialized talent for this. I'm sure you'd pick it up within a week, particularly if you were planning to militarize or invade Italy and needed to get inside their heads.

S1AL wrote:The problem with the Alt-White is that they want to force their beliefs on the whole country. Nobody here cares if they have their goofy asses on some white-only reservation in the middle of nowhere. But there are a great many people of various flavors of right, alt or not, who don't want to be anywhere near them.

I am in no way a part of the alt-white but c'mon you know that's bunk.

If any group of alt whites set up exactly such an enclave as you describe it would immediately be set upon by those who simply cannot stand the idea of someone being happy and in peace. Every liberal organization from the SPLC on up and down would be camped out there trying to diversify the area with outsiders. Let's not be silly here.

Our enemies are above all else control freaks who must interfere at any cost. Whether the excuse is magic dirt or better schools or what have you they would make it a priority to disturb the peace with demonstrations and parades while seeking access via courts and other fiat measures to deny people a chance to be alone.

I'm pretty sure he meant "nobody on the right, period," without reference to lefties, liberals, or SJWs.

That said, while I wouldn't care if they did set up their little Third Reich on the Prarie, there is a point where there is no contract, no comity, with me, such that I would have zero obligations to them. If they want to be that separate, if they are, effectively, a different country or nation or tribe, why should I or anyone not of them care if they're attacked and enslaved or exterminated? I'm not them or theirs, so they're not me or mine.

Clearly, there are, tuble, as there are hermaphrodites, naturally occurring, who are not of any particular sex, can be or can be converted to either, may be converted in the wrong way, and so cannot be said to certainly ever be of the right sex.

@168 Jack AmokNate, how about a federal law saying interstate travellers are always governed by the law most favorable let to the traveller - state of departue, destination or current.

FOPA 86 started out like that but devolved down to "can has gun in case if legal at start and end point of travel". It reads simple enough, written at the high school level, should be easy? Doesn't work in New Jersey for a start, their cops don't gotta know no stinkin' Federal law.

I'd have to see a Federal mandated reciprocity law to have an opinion, but my presumption is in agreement with Nate. At least we have someone in the Office of the President-Elect who is saying something pleasant about evil, toddler-killing phallic symbols of death, for once, instead of MOAR GON KONTROL. That's a change.

dh, this Swedish study is 5 years old, and it won't surprise you, but you might be able to use it in an argument.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.