Still think the first Bioshock is the best and whilst Infinite is awesome it doesn't have quite the same wow factor nor the amount of artistic scenes where you just have to stop and watch things unfold. My issues with Bioshock 2 had little to do with the game and everything to do with Games for Windows Live. $#@! that piece of $#@! seriously. Bought the game on launch day and couldn't actually play it properly til a year later or so. Then when I did start playing it my computer blue screened about 6 hours in and I lost my save game.

Originally Posted by Naxi

Hmm, the idea and creation of Columbia and Songbird came about much later, I'm having a hard time believing it was planned like that. They were considering revisiting Rapture again. Although it is an amazing coincidence, would love to believe it.

You should also put it in spoiler tags, haha.

I've seen the video with the supposed distant death cry of Songbird in the back ground but I'm not buying it.

So the Dewitt we played as in the game never became Comstock right? and the guy who did was the Dewitt who accepted the baptism...so how does it make sense that our Dewitt killing himself stops Comstock from existing? The alternate version is still going to exist.

So the Dewitt we played as in the game never became Comstock right? and the guy who did was the Dewitt who accepted the baptism...so how does it make sense that our Dewitt killing himself stops Comstock from existing? The alternate version is still going to exist.

Yeah, I posed a similar question last page. The only thing I can think of is that Elizabeth could merge DeWitt with his past self or the player takes over past DeWitt, since the game does show that memories can be merged.

Yeah, I posed a similar question last page. The only thing I can think of is that Elizabeth could merge DeWitt with his past self or the player takes over past DeWitt, since the game does show that memories can be merged.

I was under the impression that Comstock is DeWitt in another reality where he accepts the baptism and rises. The normal DeWitt was the one that we played as who refused the baptism. One of the explanations I read says that they are one in the same but of different realities. One has a child, DeWitt, and the other, Comstock, has no heir. I just didn't understand the whole wipe away the debt with Robert. How did he go about giving Anna to Comstock. There are so many things that I'm still the dark about.

I did like the constants and variables aspect. I didn't catch that through the ending but made a lot of sense after the fact. The situation with the coin, picking the pin, and when she says Songbird always stops DeWitt. During the story the tears are the variables. Basically using the tears to get the end results that have always remained constant something different. They seriously thought of everything.

I was under the impression that Comstock is DeWitt in another reality where he accepts the baptism and rises. The normal DeWitt was the one that we played as who refused the baptism. One of the explanations I read says that they are one in the same but of different realities. One has a child, DeWitt, and the other, Comstock, has no heir. I just didn't understand the whole wipe away the debt with Robert. How did he go about giving Anna to Comstock. There are so many things that I'm still the dark about.

I did like the constants and variables aspect. I didn't catch that through the ending but made a lot of sense after the fact. The situation with the coin, picking the pin, and when she says Songbird always stops DeWitt. During the story the tears are the variables. Basically using the tears to get the end results that have always remained constant something different. They seriously thought of everything.

Yes, the first part is correct.

Robert and Rosalind found a version of DeWitt that had a child aka the player. Since he had a lot of debt, Comstock promised to wipe that away if he gave away the Anna. Since part of her was left in another world, she was able to see and utilize tears. When you think about it, these people could've easlily had the same powers, haha.

Robert and Rosalind found a version of DeWitt that had a child aka the player. Since he had a lot of debt, Comstock promised to wipe that away if he gave away the Anna. Since part of her was left in another world, she was able to see and utilize tears. When you think about it, these people could've easlily had the same powers, haha.

Ok that makes sense now!

One explanation I saw for the rapture part made a great point. Rapture and Eden are one in the same only in different realities. Much like Comstock and DeWitt, Jack and Andrew Ryan are one in the same. Reason what Jack could operate Bathyspheres was because he was Ryan in an alternate reality. One of the reasons why DeWitt could operate them. Also look at the Fitzroy and Fontaine relationship. Both were out to destroy what Comstock and Ryan have built. The cult like following is another example. Constants and variables. It truly is masterful story telling. I just wish I would have realized this when watching the ending. Also Big Daddy, Little Sisters relationship is just like the Songbird, Elizabeth relationship. Same story different reality. So neat when you think about it.

One explanation I saw for the rapture part made a great point. Rapture and Eden are one in the same only in different realities. Much like Comstock and DeWitt, Jack and Andrew Ryan are one in the same. Reason what Jack could operate Bathyspheres was because he was Ryan in an alternate reality. One of the reasons why DeWitt could operate them. Also look at the Fitzroy and Fontaine relationship. Both were out to destroy what Comstock and Ryan have built. The cult like following is another example. Constants and variables. It truly is masterful story telling. I just wish I would have realized this when watching the ending. Also Big Daddy, Little Sisters relationship is just like the Songbird, Elizabeth relationship. Same story different reality. So neat when you think about it.

I have several problems with it, expressed in the previous pages.
-They both take place in different eras, so they can't be parallel events.
-Jack was Ryan's son, while Comstock and DeWitt are the same person.

I have several problems with it, expressed in the previous pages.
-They both take place in different eras, so they can't be parallel events.
-Jack was Ryan's son, while Comstock and DeWitt are the same person.

I forgot all about the aspect of Jack being Ryan's son. The similarities are very strong though outside of that fact. There has to be some kind of tie in between the two overall. I'm kind of surprised they didn't go into more detail about the similarities instead of the alternate reality they explained. In terms of Infinite it very well could be the same thing. But delving deep into it get's sketchy. The aspect of Jack being his son could just be a variable that changes. It is highly doubtful. I guess it could just be a reality that is very similar in all cases but the variables are a bit different compared to the world of Columbia.

I'm wondering where they are going to go after this though. The whole different realities has been reveal so it will be kind of hard to just come up with another world that isn't similar to Rapture or Columbia. The end result could likely be the same but there could be more behind it. It would be nice for them to delve into how the lighthouses come about to open up the world of these different realities. I like how the ending is very open ended though. It lets you make up your own reality of the situation with the core principles being established. Not too many people share the exact same explanation as the next.

Every night I allow myself to be absorbed by everything else that's going on, but tonight I'm going to let some things slide. All of my grades are excellent right now, so I think I'm taking the night off and push through the rest of this game.

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