tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post3651237391857640137..comments2015-03-29T11:06:44.823-05:00Comments on Powered By Osteons: Line on the left, one cross each: Bioarchaeology of CrucifixionKristina Killgrovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14716385901419193577noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-6337984459854125402013-01-17T13:00:31.137-06:002013-01-17T13:00:31.137-06:00I&#39;m wondering if part the reason there is a la...I&#39;m wondering if part the reason there is a lack of evidence for crucifixion is because it wasn&#39;t such a common punishment. Like in modern times in the United States, death by electric chair is widely known of by the public but rarely used (or in this case actually witnessed). Perhaps in the same way crucifixion was only reserved for the worst of crimes- like treason. Could this be part of the explanation, or was it more common then I&#39;m assuming?Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-35856529967902470492012-01-15T00:32:20.382-06:002012-01-15T00:32:20.382-06:00Well this is quite an article! Let me add my two c...Well this is quite an article! Let me add my two cents.<br /><br />Ancient writings and epigraphy from Pozzuoli and Pompeii indicate that crucifixion was a penetrative punishment, like direct impalement, although the Alexamenos cruci-fiction graffito indicates they *might* also have done the non-penetrative kind popularized by Christianity. <br /><br />Plus, there was found in Rome in the 1890s some homoerotic verse wherein the first two lines were deliberately constructed so it could be misinterpreted as referring to a crucifixion.<br /><br />I still like the article, though! Mind if I put it up on my blog?Ed-Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10443227448010363586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-6829159678176145222012-01-11T13:19:22.728-06:002012-01-11T13:19:22.728-06:00This is an amazing post! I am using it in my Chris...This is an amazing post! I am using it in my Christians and Barbarians class tomorrow.Sarah Bondhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08423146601558273156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-77104139467109349942011-11-30T21:31:51.549-06:002011-11-30T21:31:51.549-06:00Congratulations! This post was included in the Nov...Congratulations! This post was included in <a href="http://remnantofgiants.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/biblical-studies-69er/" rel="nofollow">the November 2011 Biblical Studies Carnival</a>. This is quite an achievement. My word, yes.Deanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15332464950652540647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-32035531548578045932011-11-17T09:41:57.866-06:002011-11-17T09:41:57.866-06:00Thanks for your comment, Domenico. It wasn&#39;t ...Thanks for your comment, Domenico. It wasn&#39;t clear from the articles when the bones were reburied. I&#39;m glad to hear that casts were made - good-quality casts can reveal a lot of information, as can x-rays. Photographs, not so much.<br /><br />Zias and Sekeles didn&#39;t disagree that the bones showed evidence of crucifixion, but they suggested that there wasn&#39;t quite as much evidence as Haas had found. It seems unclear whether Yehohanan was subject to crurifragium, but the nail in his calcaneus is quite clear. And since there are many ways to crucify someone, I don&#39;t think we&#39;ll ever be able to reconstruct the precise method in this case.<br /><br />It&#39;s unfortunate that the bones had to be reburied before someone else could look at them - after all, it&#39;s good practice to double-check scientific analyses. There could be numerous inter-observer errors. But if Zias and Sekeles were looking at casts, xrays, and photographs, that&#39;s pretty good evidence on which to base their interpretation. Not the same as looking at the bone itself, but the next best thing.<br /><br />I do think that Zias and Sekeles should have been clear in their article that they were not looking at the bones themselves.Kristina Killgrovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14716385901419193577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-57716714780964311782011-11-17T04:10:07.341-06:002011-11-17T04:10:07.341-06:00The skeletal remains from Giv&#39;at ha-Mivtar we...The skeletal remains from Giv&#39;at ha-Mivtar were reburied soon after the discovery in accordance with Jewish religious beliefs.<br />Haas had only 4 weeks to study them after 3 months needed for the restoration.<br />When in 1985 Zias and Sekeles wrote their preappraisal the skeletal remains were not available.<br />The 1985&#39;study is based on photographs, casts and radiographas. Zias and Sekeles were permitted briefly to study the skeletal remains prior the reburial in 1970.<br /><br />I would ask to Kristina Kilgrove as an expert anthropologist:<br />how could be accurate a study based only on photographs, casts and radiographas and I suppose memories after 15 years ?<br />tanks.<br />Domenicodomenicohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02775415782548456535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-17934583111268122862011-11-16T16:20:44.941-06:002011-11-16T16:20:44.941-06:00Scott - I didn&#39;t go back and read Aufderheide ...Scott - I didn&#39;t go back and read Aufderheide before writing this post, but I just double-checked. He notes that there were 2 possible males from Mendes subject to crurifragium, and 1 may have had a nail hole in the calcaneus. But his only citation, other than a &quot;personal communication&quot; is to Redford &amp; Lang&#39;s 1996 article &quot;Crucified!&quot; in The Akhenaten Temple Project Newsletter. So it&#39;s very interesting that he&#39;s cited a non-peer-reviewed article - and it sounds like you and Nancy disagree with his conclusion about the evidence.<br /><br />At any rate, thanks for reminding me about those cases!Kristina Killgrovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14716385901419193577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-81553338672397616342011-11-16T02:26:19.265-06:002011-11-16T02:26:19.265-06:00The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Paleopathology (Aufd...The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Paleopathology (Aufderheide) lists a second possible case of crucifixion from Mendes, in the Nile Delta. I worked on this site with Dr. Nancy Lovell and we both felt the evidence for crucifixion was weak, however. No nails were found and the holes in the calcaneous likely occurred postmortem as the result of root activity, which often penetrated the bones of individuals throughout the entire cemetery.Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05611734301166910021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-19744458884035809102011-11-09T07:15:36.768-06:002011-11-09T07:15:36.768-06:00Really interesting article! I&#39;m actually surpr...Really interesting article! I&#39;m actually surprised there isn&#39;t more archaeological evidence of crucifixion given the textual commentary on it and our perception of it occurring frequently. Perhaps more skeletal remains have been found but have been misinterpreted. Since crucifixion continues to occur in some countries, perhaps a study should be done to compare the modern x-rays of wounds to skeletal remains. I wonder if looking at relics from churches may be a place for finding nails or evidence.bonesdontliehttp://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-15739013808742444882011-11-06T18:15:07.112-06:002011-11-06T18:15:07.112-06:00In ancient Greece, there was a similar method of p...In ancient Greece, there was a similar method of punishment called &quot;apotympanismos&quot;. <br /><br />See: <br /><br />- Karali L. and Tsaliki A. (2011) Les suppliciés de Paléon Phaliron: un cas d’exécution par apotympanismos dans l’Athènes Classique. Proceedings of the 3e Colloque de Pathographie, Bourges, France 3 - 5 Avril 2009. Paris : De Boccard. <br /><br />- http://pun.sagepub.com/content/6/4/429.extractAnastasia Tsalikihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03280836228829626110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5060765438658823687.post-75512273433875521032011-11-06T07:30:09.794-06:002011-11-06T07:30:09.794-06:00Thanks for another graet post.
Once I was in Lond...Thanks for another graet post.<br /><br />Once I was in London I had some time to spare, so I followed the advice of an old friend and went to a service in Westminster Abbey. The place is a huge tourist attraction so they had an area of the church sealed of for the service. In the churce a man stood asking everybody passing - with exactely the same voice and intonation as Michael Palin - &quot;Are you here for the service&quot; ... &quot;Good! Down the aisle end then turn left&quot;. I couldn&#39;t help thinking that exactely that guy was the direct inspiration for the scene in Life of Brian!Jan Helldénhttp://twitter.com/jhelldennoreply@blogger.com