The Jesuit New World Order

Tuesday, 8 May 2012

The Rothschild’s only have
the Bank of England because the Jesuit Order allowed this to happen.
Britain was under the Jesuit thumb since the late 18th Century. The
Cecil family became subordinate to the Jesuits no later than this and
some would say the Cecil loyalties were lacking in the beginning of the
17th Century. This showed as King James I was bought into power over the
son of Elizabeth Ist which came from the union of the Queen and Edward
De Vere. The Cecil family had the son of that union destroyed and
killed, they fitted him up with charges of trying to remove the Monarchy
when in fact he was trying to remove the Cecil family. The supposed
Puritan-Christian Cecil family soon enough had the Geneva Bible 1560/99
destroyed and replaced with the King James Authorized 1611 Bible. That
was the first phase of the destruction of Christianity and veiling of
exposure of the Catholic Church. All those wonderful footnotes and more
removed from the public realm entirely. The Geneva Bible became banned
in the Nation by King James I himself. This should ring alarm bells but
it does not mean that the King James Authorized Bible is wrong to follow
to a point but the facts are its missing information of the Geneva
Bible. The Cecil family have been
controlled in the region by the Pallavicini family of far greater power
and who really funded Queen Elizabeth’s war machine. Other families of
great power in the region are of course the Catholic Howard and Percy
families along with the Powell family. You will find a lot of Powell’s
have been connected with The Worshipful Company of Mercers. It took many
years for the Germanic Bauer family to gain acceptance from the Cecil
family of England. Eventually they earned the respect of the Cecil
family and a scion was formed. The blood of both families including the
Goldschmidt came about such as the line which Kate Middleton is
descended from and why she is the wife of Prince William who himself is a
Medici, Sforza, Stuart and Guelph. When the Jesuits were
suppressed by the Pope in 1773 they used their covert power over England
to have the Rothschild family guardian over the Jesuit South American
reductions wealth. The Jesuits could not store this wealth in any
Catholic banking house otherwise it would be stolen since the Order was
to be destroyed. This is one of the reasons the Jesuits have a
stronghold in the United States as the suppression of the Order helped
them hoodwink the Reformation Nations even further as you can imagine.
What the suppression did do was make the Jesuits even more angry and
certainly made them never want to be loyal in the slightest to the
Catholic Church again. It was time to take over the Catholic Church
which started in 1814 and was totally complete by 1870 when the Pope was
made Infallible. The Jesuits forgot the Holy See generosity of the
earlier 14th Century when the Pope allowed a few of these then Knights
Templars to survive and live in Aragon. I believe this was why the
Jesuits were quite loyal to the Church prior to the 1773 suppression.
The Templars could not continue in Aragon under that old title but of
course could become something new. These Aragon Templars became the
Order of the Calatrava and Order of the Montesa not to forget the Los
Alumbrados meaning the illuminated ones. The current Grandmaster of the
current Calatrava and Montesa is Emperor Juan Carlos of the New Holy
Roman Empire.Since this takeover by the
Jesuit Order through their 1776 creation of the Order of the Bavarian
Illuminati using Giuseppe Balsamo and sheep-dipped Jesuit Adam
Weishaupt. The Rothschild’s eventually became the Guardians of the
Vatican Treasury all thanks to the Jesuit Order. The Rothschild’s used
the Illuminati Napoleon as an aid in the take over of the Bank of
England which had been created by The Worshipful Company of Mercers.
This was to take over of the City of London from the Holy See and the
Knights of Malta. The Holy See having controlled the region for a very
long time and having handed the control of the region to the Knights
Templar in 1215. This had been taken away by the Holy See in 1312 with
the Ad Providam Papal Bull. So as you can see with a logical thinking
mind, the Jesuits have bought back the control of the City of London
under the Knights Templar continuum of themselves being the ancient
Aragon continuum of the original Order. The Knights of Malta have
never been favourites of the Jesuit Order who never forgive or forget.
This hatred of the Knights of Malta increased even further in 1768 when
the Knights removed the Jesuits from the Island of Malta. The Jesuits
sought their revenge for this one later on in 1798 using their
Illuminati controlled Napoleon. The Jesuits subordinated the Knights of
Malta in the same year and that was the true start of the take over of
the City of London which was commanded covertly still by the Knights of
Malta. Currently the so-called Protestant division of the Knights of
Malta are controlled through the Alliance of the Orders of St John Of
Jerusalem by the Order of Malta itself. The Order of Malta being the
only true Order out of all of them although its claimed they now
recognize the others as part of this Alliance. This all aided the openness
of the Order of Malta to return to England as you can see from their
Blessed Adrian Fortescue and later Grand Priory of England in 1993. If
you look at St John’s Wood where the Order of Malta are based, you will
see its the old haunt of the Knights Templar in England since the City
of London is a sovereign Nation. If you look at one of the four of the
most powerful Order of Malta headquarters in Rome you will see that the
Aventine Hill is another old Templar haunt which was their original
World Headquarters. The Order of Malta has three main bases of power in
Italy with a secret forth base which is ever changing and not known to
the public, which leads me to believe this is either thee true WHQ of
the Order or one used for secret commanding only.Now can one understand the
true power over the World and the Bank of England? David Wilcox is part
of the Jesuit soldier Frederick Copleston SJ created conspiracy theory
arena known as the so-called alternative media and set up to purposely
control the minds of the more intelligent peoples but divert them
elsewhere and namely into Jesuit soldier Pierre-Teilhard De Chardin SJ’s
awaiting New-Age Movement pushing the Luciferian Doctrine of the likes
of Alice Ann Bailey and Madame Blavatsky. You are correct that its all
the same old story these agents of deception give you and its to make
you run around on a wheel like a gerbil never getting to the real end or
facts of the matter. Rothschild’s are part of the
problem but not thee problem they are Sabbatean Frankist hofjuden of the
Jesuit controlled Papacy. The perfect example of this is Jesuit trained
Shimon Peres the most powerful Sabbatean Frankist in Israel who is so
loyal to the Vatican its amazing. Why would Shimon Peres and his minions
give away East Jerusalem to the Vatican in 1993 via Cardinal Ratzingers
Oslo Accords? You know the Accords aided by Georgetown University
trained William Clinton in Jesuit Washington D.C. The land belonging to
the Catholic, Pope and Carroll families being part of Virginia and
Maryland giving you Virgin Mary and being known as Rome in 1663 property
records. Ask yourself why do those in Israel who oppose the Oslo
Accords get whacked or suppressed if they are the supposed power? Enough
said, the New Holy Roman Empire rules the World its just that simple.
Israel is being destroyed by the same Jesuits from the inside out using
groups like The Van Leer Jerusalem Institute which is connected with the
Beit HaNassi where Pere’s dwells funny enough.Emperor Juan Carlos of the
New Holy Roman Empire and Evelyn De Rothschild control your physical
being which is your land or your will. They also control your soul and
it is all done through the Crown Temple in the City of London connected
with the Bank of England. As soon as you are born on Earth if there is a
Marriage Certificate they have control over you. If there is not a
certificate of marriage but the child is registered to a Birth
Certificate then they once again have control over you. The Vatican
claims control over you regardless if you study hard enough. The birth
certificate ties you into the Cestui Que Vie Act 1666 and the Vatican
Canon Law based Admiralty Law system thats been in place usurping our
law of land known as Common Law since 1933. The real push for the
Merchant takeover of our lands occurred from 1870 onwards when many
definitions of words were usurped with admiralty definitions. Admiralty
Law comes from the ancient Phoenician Empire but was perfected by the
Roman Empire. The Cestui Que Vie Act 1666
goes back the real root of the problem stemming from 1302 with the
signing of the Papal Bull Unam Sanctam by Pope Boneface VIII. Also look
up the Papal Bull Aeterni Regis by Pope Sixtus IV in 1481. This my
friends is the complete enslavement of your soul and body being the
land. The Vatican controls all the land on Earth and its most important
land of all is your will which is your body and thus they control your
testament being a product of your will. When you are registered a
security is placed into the Bank of England of around £1.5 million maybe
more today since thats a figure of around three years ago. This is
then traded daily with Worldwide banks in a second economy you are not
privy too. This secret system is very closely connected with the
Universal Postal Union in Bern, Switzerland which is just one corner
away from the powerful Papal Nuncio, Archbishop Diego Causero at the
Vatican Embassy.You have become a minor
shareholder in the U.K Plc but you have no chance of claiming your
dividend. This security raises profits which collect over the years of
your life. When your will expires as you die then the Escheat Law is
bought into play to take all of that security and profit into the hands
of the City of London aka New Jerusalem. Your family never ever know
about it and certainly never get a penny of the seriously large sum
made. All whilst you were born into slavery working for pittance and
struggling to live a decent life. Especially from now on as we enter
the zero growth post industrial society plan signed in by then U.S.
President Jimmy Carter. You will be lucky to be able to claim
unemployment benefits and forced to jump through hoops to do so and all
for a measly £67.50 per week to live on in the new peasant ville society
fully controlled through the front United Nations as time goes by.
This control of the Bank of England through The Worshipful Company of
Mercers is what controls the global economy. The U.S. economy is fully
controlled by the Mercers and Bank of England and has been since 1868
onwards some might say since 1861 when America was turned into a
corporation by Lincoln to try to pay off the Mercers for the Virginia
Company of London debts for the original Settling of the region. The
Jesuits using both Privy Councilors Roundell Palmer and Edward Stanley
had Lincoln’s death warrant signed and executed through the payment of
Catholic, John Wilkes Booth through the Bank of Montreal based in Jesuit
controlled Quebec. Wilkes was paid £60 for the assassination and he is
an ancestor of Catholic, Cherie Blair the current wife of Knight of
Malta, Tony Blair the Catholic crusading war criminal closely tied to
the controllers of the Directorate for Intelligence division of the
Central Intelligence Agency known as the Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst
the Nazi continuum and major drug trafficking operator for the House of
Bourbon and The Worshipful Company of Apothecaries. The City of London
control the U.S. Economy through TheCityUK run by Stuart Popham of the
Royal Institute for International Affairs. TheCityUK controls the Exchange Stabilization Fund
commanding the Federal Reserve of New York, World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund the latter of which deals with the Nations
bankrupted as of 1933. TheCityUK controls the U.S. Treasury which
commands all three of those organizations through the Exchange
Stabilization Fund. No different to how TheCityUK commands the
economies of the Middle East through the Middle East Association fronted
by Charles Hollis. A powerful family connected to the City of London
control of the United States is the Spring family who took over in the
region from the Payseur family who were the French Royal family
continuum after the French Revolution. That line is now divided between
three other families less significant in the merchant realm to the
Spring’s. Welcome to New World Order!

Catholic Control of The Supreme Court

President
George Bush walks out of St. Matthew's Cathedral with Cardinal Theodore
McCarrick (Who
is also a Knight of Columbus) and Supreme Court Chief Justice
John Roberts after attending the 52nd Annual Red Mass in
Washington, DC, Sunday, October 2, 2005. The Red Mass, a historical tradition
within
the Catholic Church, is held on the Sunday before the opening session of
the Supreme Court.

6 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices
are religious Roman Catholics. This is the first time in history that
there have been so many Catholics on the Supreme Court. Obviously this page was done when Bush was President. Obama's is every bit as subservient to the Papacy as the Bush family is.

"The centennial was officially celebrated on Monday with a historical Red Mass
in St. John’s Church. The Red Mass was designed to ask St. Thomas More and
St. Ives, patron saints of the legal profession, to bless the law profession
and offer guidance for justice." *SOURCE*

“My mother was devout in her religion, gave me a Catholic upbringing,...” ~SourceGonzales
Questions Habeas Corpus
By Robert Parry 19 Jan 2007
In one of the most chilling public statements
ever made by a U.S. Attorney General, Alberto
Gonzales questioned whether the U.S.
Constitution grants habeas corpus
rights of a fair trial to every American.

"Roberts also is expected to attend the annual
'Red Mass' Sunday, a Washington church service
honoring the legal and judicial profession.
President Bush will attend along with prominent
judges, lawmakers, cabinet officers, and lawyers." Article from cnn.com September 30, 2005

Chief Justice John
G. Roberts Jr at Red Mass Brunch where all our most powerful political figures get all cozy with the Catholic Church

Later, after graduating from Harvard with honors we have this
testimony of Roberts,"In 1992, George H. W. Bush nominated Roberts
to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the
District of Columbia Circuit, but no Senate vote was held, and Roberts's
nomination
expired when Bush left office after losing the 1992 presidential election.
Roberts
returned to Hogan & Hartson as a partner, and became the head of the
firm's appellate
practice, in addition to serving as an adjunct faculty member at the (Jesuit)
Georgetown University Law Center. In his capacity as head of Hogan & Hartson's
appellate practice, Roberts argued a total of thirty-nine cases before
the
Supreme Court, including.....(more)

3. even if the Convention could be enforced in U.S. courts, it would
not be of assistance to Hamdan at the time because, for a conflict
such as the war
against al-Qaeda (considered by the court as a separate
war from that against Afghanistan itself)
that is not between two
countries, it guarantees only a certain standard of judicial
procedure without speaking to the jurisdiction in which the prisoner
must be tried.

The court held open the possibility of judicial review of the results
of the military commission after the current proceedings have ended. [13]
This decision was overturned on June 29, 2006 by the Supreme Court in
a
5-3 decision, with Roberts not participating due to his prior ruling
as a circuit judge.

(R) Supreme Court Justice Clarence
Thomas at "Red Mass" brunch.
Undergrad: College
of the Holy Cross Law School: Yale Law School in 1974.

Former Chief Justice Rehnquist. Behind him is the powerful Jesuit Cardinal Avery Dulles

Justice Antonin Scalia, accompanied by his wife Maureen, joins
in the singing of a hymn during the annual
Red Mass that was celebrated at Cathedral
of the Holy Cross March 26. Justice Scalia
later addressed the Catholic Lawyers Guild
at a lunch.

General
Peter Pace (Left)
is the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and
the first U.S. Marine appointed to this position. In this
capacity he serves as America's highest ranking military
officer below the President.

Both Pictures
are at the Red Mass Brunch
Here he is greeting the Supreme Court Cheif Justice
He (Peter Pace) is a 1992 graduate of the Georgetown Leadership
Seminar of
the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University.

"The Jesuits coincidently
end up teaching The United States military leaders.

Absolutely! No chance this is coincidence. It is just impossible!
They are all Jesuit-trained and controlled because this Papal Crusade
is a war of annhilation both of the Muslim peoples and the apostate
Protestant
West. Youth like myself are especially targeted for the coming draft.
This is means
of population control. This war has been called "our children's children
war" by CNN.

SMOM and 33rd Degree Freemason Tony Blair will be pulling out troops
as well as other "Coalition" nations and their forces until the Armed
Forces of the Unholy Roman Fourteenth
Amendment American Empire will find itself going solo and by the time
this diversionary war
concludes (when the Muslim is reduced enough to ensure Israel will
not be ransacked) the
purposely sabotaged (the troops are ill-equipped because this is a
war they are meant to
and will lose. Rome is through with America-she has been drunk with
the wine of the
Whore's fornication since the illegal ratification of the Fourteenth
Amendment.

I believe the death toll will surpass all wars the U.S. has ever fought
and
even now is greater than what the Order's CFR reports because only
soldiers killed in action are counted, not those who die as a result
of injuries,
wounds, suicides, poisons in the form of pills, depleted uranium, etc.

I believe as a result of the HPV vaccine Merck wants
to give pre-adolescent girls will make them sterile in the long-term.
She has caused the America to forget God and now we are witnessing
His judgment U.S. defense will be
beyond recovery and absolutely powerless to resist our coming invaders
from
China, Russia, the remaining Muslims who will forget about Jerusalem
and
the Jews and wage a jihad against what they call "The Great Satan" whom
they
will blame for the destruction of the Dome of the Rock, Al Aqsa mosque,
Mecca, and Medina."

Brother Nicholas N. Rivera

Too bad JFK didn't have this protection!

George
Bush, Laura his wife, Condoleeza Rice,
and Chief Justice John Roberts
leave the Red Mass

All the way to the right is Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty
(Who is now resigning over the firing of the U.S. attorneys - May 15, 2007)

Clarence Thomas

The College of the Holy Cross is an exclusively undergraduate Roman
Catholic college located in Worcester,
Massachusetts, USA.
Holy Cross is the oldest Roman
Catholic college in New England and one
of the oldest in the United States. Opened as a school for boys under
the auspices of the Society
of Jesus, it was the first Jesuit
college in New England. School Motto:
In Hoc Signo Vinces
(IHS - In this sign you shall conquer)
Mascot: The Crusader

Clarence Thomas speaking of his Jesuit Mentor in a recent interview:
source: BusinessWeek"Of all the influences in
the life of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,
little attention has been paid to the Reverend John E. Brooks. During his
time at Holy Cross and in the years since, the Jesuit priest has been,
in Thomas' words, "a combination of friend, uncle, priest, father, saint,
Good Samaritan." In this exclusive interview with BusinessWeek senior
writer Diane
Brady, Thomas reflects on racial politics, his job, his college crowd,
and the influence of Brooks on his life. Here are edited excerpts of their
conversation: "

While Clarence Thomas attended Holy Cross he was a member of member of
Alpha Sigma Nu (Jesuit Honor Society). which has this as it's symbol:

Alpha Sigma Nu continues the Jesuit tradition of scholarship,
loyalty and service beyond the college years.

With the support of our members, we provide scholarships at
all our members’ schools, award the prestigious ASN
Book Awards each year, and now have committed our resources
to alumni clubs in various cities to help our members to continue
to put the Jesuit ideals to work in their own communities.

Thank you for your support of Jesuit education.

Sincerely,
David T. Ralston, Jr.Board President

He was also a member of the college's secretive Purple
Key Society "The Purple Key Society is the service organization which
fosters school spirit,
loyalty and enthusiasm in the activities and goals of the College. Its
members
are selected from students interested in serving their fellow classmates
in
diversified events."

Here
is a recommendation for Clarence Thomas from the [then]
President of Holy Cross college, Jesuit Father John E. Brooks. Another Holy Cross Graduate:
Chris Matthews, host
of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews
and NBC's The Chris Matthews Show.

Samual Alito

Educated at Princeton University and Yale Law School, Alito served as
U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey and a judge on the United
States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit prior to joining the
Supreme Court. He is the 110th justice, the second Italian American
and the eleventh Roman Catholic to serve on the court.

Lyndon B Johnson

Jeb Bush

Knight of Columbus Jeb Bush also stands by while children are being taken away
from good parents and then abused in Foster homes. Go to this website and please
share this information with others to show that most of the government agencies
are not our friends but deadly enemies.

Knights of Columbus (The right hand of the Catholic church in America),march in "Red Mass" ceremonies.

Knights of Columbus Jeb Bush and Jim Towey are members
of the same K of C Council
-it is another name for a Catholic Masonic lodge- Florida Gov. Jeb Bush,
left,
and Jim Towey, the White House Director of Faith Based Programs attend
the 31st
Red Mass of the Holy Spirit, a Mass offered by the Bishops of Florida for
all
those serving in the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of State
Government,
Wednesday, March 22, 2006, in Tallahassee, Fla. -AP Photo/Don Juan Moore-
Governor Bush and Director Towey are members of Tallahassees Fr. Hugon
Council #3521.

You
can see the occult symbology associated
with Roman Catholicism and the Red Mass
First, look at the symbol to the left behind the people.
It may look to some as a harmless triangle but occultists
use it as a pyramid which is associated with there ancient
Pagan rituals that they took from ancient Egyptians.
Then look at the Red Mass awards they got. They are Obelisks which is
an ancient Egyptian sybol associated with some occult sex godess.

Remember, They are
honoring and giving the Sir Thomas More award to people at the Red Mass.
Thomas More was a murderer and had many good men and women burned at the
stake, including
William Tyndale who was a main translator of the Bible into the English
Language.

They
are Knights of Columbus. Roman Catholic Jeb Bush is himself a Third
Degree Knight of Columbus according to his brother Skull and Bonesman
Luciferian Crypto-Catholic George W. Bush in his speech to the 122nd
Annual Knights of Columbus Convention in Dallas, Texas, Tuesday, Aug.
3, 2004.

Quote: Im proud to say that my family has contributed to your ranks.
A few years ago, Governor Jeb -- -applause- -- became a Knight. -Applause.-
And he -- yes -- and he recently took his Third Degree. -Applause.- Ill
see him this weekend. His son is getting married. Ill pass on the word,
aim for the Fourth.

Jeb Bush received an award from the Knights of Malta of Florida on March
11 2006
From Source
Link -last paragraph-

Finally, on the occasion of the 7th Annual Order of Malta South Florida
Gala, the Board of Directors has voted to bestow The Honorable Jeb Bush,
Governor of the State of Florida with its Ethic of Life Award for Outstanding
Service towards the defense of life and human dignity of the unborn.
Congratulations Governor!

Tell that to the family of Terry Schiavo! Jeb Bush most certainly does
not have an ethic of life!

Emperor Bush, in his speech to the K of C mentioned that the Knights
of Columbus head the White House Office of Community and Faith Based
Initiatives in the person of K of C James Towey.

According to Luciferian Emperor Bush "I needed someone to lead this program,
so guess who I turned to? The Knights. (Applause.) I found Towey. Jim
Towey is the Director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community
Initiatives. He's with me. You know what his job is? His job is to help
the faith community -- by the way, all faiths, all faiths -- Christian,
Jew, or Muslim -- all faiths understand what is possible now. His job
is also to make sure the federal government is a hospitable place for
faith programs to work with. Let's be frank about it. Many faith-based
programs don't want to interface with government. You know why? They're
afraid of losing the ability to practice their faith. How can you be
a faith-based program if you're not allowed to practice your faith?

Towey's job --applause-- so Towey has got a big job, it's to change a
culture, a suspicious culture, and we're making progress. A suspicious
culture in Washington, a suspicious culture in the grassroots. Here's
Towey's story. He goes to meet Mother Teresa for the first time. He shows
up at one of her homes for the dying in India, and the sister who greeted
him assumed he was there to work. -Laughter- That's what I assume every
day that Towey shows up. (Laughter.) So she gave Jim some cloth, and
said, go clean the sores of a dying man. He says it changed his life,
that experience. He went on to work full-time for the Missionaries of
Charity. Incredibly enough, Jim Towey, Director of the Office of Faith-Based
Initiatives in the White House, was Mother Teresa's lawyer. I ask you,
what kind of society is it where Mother Teresa needs a lawyer? -Laughter
and applause- It's a society that needs tort reform. -Laughter and applause.-

Bush also said, "I also appreciate the Knights' of Columbus stand on
the federal judiciary. I have a responsibility as President to make sure
the federal judicial system runs well. I have nominated superb men and
women for the federal -- for the federal benches who will strictly and
fully interpret the law, not legislate from the bench. (yeah right like
Knight of Columbus Samuel Alito Jr. and Opus Dei and [Jesuit] John Carroll
Society member U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts?)

The Bush family is a tool of the Papacy. George H. W. Bush is a Knight
of Malta as is Prescott Bush Jr. Pro-Nazi Skull and Bonesman Prescott
Bush Sr. was trained by the Jesuits of Stonyhurst.

Tommy George Thompson - Roman Catholic. Was the 7th U.S. Secretary of
Health and Human Services and the 42nd Governor of Wisconsin.

Shortly after leaving his Bush Cabinet post, Thompson joined and served
for two years on the board of directors of Applied Digital Solutions,
makers of the controversial VeriChip: a glass-encapsulated RFID chip
that can be injected into human flesh for various database-driven
identification purposes

Diane S. Sykes, A graduate of Northwestern University and Marquette
University Law School, was appointed a justice of the Wisconsin Supreme
Court by Gov. Tommy Thompson.

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Note: The following article is from the May 2000 issue of The
SPECTRUM Newspaper. Public use of this article is permitted as long as origin of
the article and contacting information for The SPECTRUM accompanies the article.

So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about
all of the main players on the 'conspiracy' playing field? You've maybe been
hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of
society who control our world from behind the scenes.

You've gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance,
the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word 'Jew' to disguise their
adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role
played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of
the world, by the
CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission,
the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called
'elite' families)--the
Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers in America and
Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure
of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated,
other-dimensional 'master deceivers' commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and
their 'fallen angel' cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the
Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing
Link in this entire structure. And I don't mean a little side issue; I mean
a link so central-yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so
long-that even the most studied of 'conspiracy theory' scholars probably have
not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay 'controversial' and 'sensitive'
is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made!
This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was
finally able to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on
Tuesday, March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric's historic
masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions
covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us almost four
hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone on for another
forty.

We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce
the importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In
fact, in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent
backup, Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview)
several excerpts from his soon-to-be-published book which will help you in
understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and broad-sweeping
story. The missing link is surely a central link.

Let's call this story the 'Jesuit-Vatican connection' to the
unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely
central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There's a good reason the secret
Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from outside
intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess such a collection
of information detailing much 'censored' data about our true, otherworldly
cultural heritage.

When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one
can't help but reflect back on the purposely 'adjusted' and watered down and
boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history
of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.

In this business, I've heard and read a lot of things. But
when I had to pick my jaw up off the floor during the reading of certain
historical portions in Eric's book-well, let me just say that Truth certainly is
stranger, and far more interesting, than the many fictions we've been led to
believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth does fit together like the pieces
of a jigsaw puzzle.

This book SHOULD be a best-seller, but it is hardly likely to
achieve such general attention-considering how well controlled and censored is
the publishing business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of this
most astonishing and critically important material here in The SPECTRUM.

We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions.
And there is probably no more fundamental, mind-rattling, and previous
notions-shattering example of that than what is being presented here. The
interview is directly followed by a number of pertinent excerpts from Eric's
eye-opening book-which will be available July 1.

[Editor's note: It should be noted up-front that the
information presented below is the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here
at The SPECTRUM find much about his presentation of his historical
research which meshes with and expands upon Truth which has been presented by
many other authors in these pages and elsewhere. And that is good; Truth is
Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.

However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership-which
typically has cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the general
public-we do not want to give the impression that we agree with (or wish to
promote) some collateral aspects of Eric's presentation having to do with his
personal 'religious' convictions. The focus of those convictions follows a much
more biblically conventional (literal) path-in stark contrast to the
unconventional, questioning, wide-angle vision of his historical material.

Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their
own-for you to sort and interpret as you see fit-rather than being singled-out
to be addressed editorially. However, in this case, the practical side of Eric's
stated religious convictions include the condoning of some degree of violence
(or violent protest) and use of armaments. And such convictions are very much
the opposite of our philosophical position-for many reasons, not the least of
which is the obvious Adversarial bait-and-entrapment which would result from
choosing what we would consider to be low-frequency responses to schoolroom
Earth's current challenges.

Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates 'between the lines'
thoughtfully, there is glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual message in
Eric's commentary-of 'Have the courage to speak The Truth' and 'God helps those
who help themselves'-which we certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have
long supported enthusiastically.

We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The
Light of Truth, intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to step
forward and share what they know. Will such ones follow that nudge or continue
to hide in fear? The answer to that question is perhaps the most important
aspect of schoolroom Earth's relentless testing at this critical time.

One last-minute footnote before beginning this interview: The
Arts & Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air-on
Easter Sunday evening!-a new two-hour documentary called: The Vatican
Revealed. Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the lines of dialog
and some of those people chosen for commentaries are many, many clues to the
true power of the Vatican over world affairs. It would, of course, be much more
revealing to watch the A&E program AFTER having read and digested the following.]

Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The
topic of your book is so comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of
global control by the Jesuits, dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our
conversation with a very important point of clarification so that our readers
have something to hold onto while reading the historical narrative we are about
to present. Let me also add that your book is one of the most compelling,
dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I have ever read. I want to
tell you, I am impressed!

You, literally, link every major global conflict and
political assassination to the hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many
other groups you mention, have been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.

Today, the present. I'm going to start here, and then we're
going to go way back in time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE
because it will give a foundation for going back in time.

Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the
so-called 'Black Pope' [black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to
race or color] who gives the orders to the actual Pope. Is it still
Jean-Baptist Janssens?

Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964.
Then Pedro Arrupe came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I believe,
the present Jesuit General is
Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See photo above.] I call him Count Hans
Kolvenhoof.

Martin: Let's discuss this position of 'General' and, in
addition, who is this person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are
his origins? Where does he hail from?

Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his
nationality is Dutch.

Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the
Jesuits, called the Church of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at,
what I just called, the Jesuit headquarters.

Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

Phelps: It's not far from the Vatican, right. It's in the
same general area. It's headquarters of the Knights of Malta.

Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?

Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.

Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what
is the ultimate goal of the Jesuits, the so-called Society of Jesus?

Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit
Generals, they are sorcerers. They are Luciferians, and they worship what they
would call Lucifer. They do not believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer.

Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited-because he
was a top Jesuit at the time in the late '60s-he was invited to a 'Black Mass'
in Spain where there were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And he called
it a 'Black Mass'. Well, when you're involved in a 'Black Mass', you're involved
in the worship of Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.

Martin: I'm fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because
nobody in the world knows who this person is. I've never heard the name.

Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture
and his top Jesuits-just a second and I'll get the book. The name of the book is
called Jesuits: A Multi-Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and that is
available, usually, in the bookstores. It was published in 1995.

Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a
communist. On the last page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to
page 343, you see Peter Hans Kolvenbach. He's the Jesuit General, and he looks
like just a very evil individual. There's a Black man, who's a high Jesuit; he's
a 29 Superior Jesuit with his cosmopolitan General staff. One of the General
staff looks like Ben Kingsley of Shindler's List. There are six White
men, and one Black man. And that's his General staff.

Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor
General?

Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he's elected for
life-unless he becomes a 'heretic'.

Martin: And the so-called 'High Jesuits' represent what
group?

Phelps: I would say that they're the 'professed', the
high 4th Degree. When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit Oath;
he is under the 'Bloody Oath' that I have in my book.

Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath
in our paper?

Phelps: Of course, absolutely.

Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath
and it's similarity to the Protocols Of The Learned
Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that question before I got back to the
Protocols portion of your book.

Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols
because they have carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have
carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says-and he was a Jesuit-he was
greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate, Protestants, and Baptists
in this country; he was helped, somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack Chick published
his story in six volumes, titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.

Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope
who published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the
Jesuits themselves because they and they alone, were the ones who were able to
bring this to pass.

They're the ones in the government. They're the ones behind
professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of Malta.
The owner of the Detroit Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top owners of
these ball clubs, for the most part, are Knights of Malta, getting the people
whooped up in this hoopla over games and sports, while they're busy creating a
tyranny. So, that was one of the things in the Protocols-that they would
create 'amusements'.

Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd-degree
Freemason-Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with Hersey
Park. They create all of these amusements and games and pastimes to get the
people drunk with pleasure, while they're busy overthrowing the Protestant form
of government.

Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?

Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled
by the Mafia. But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they are
ALL subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York, which is Cardinal
O'Connor-because the Commission, the Mafia Commission resides in New York.

Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was
intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe Kennedy.
And that has not changed.

So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High
Mafia Dons-the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And they
control Hollywood, not the Jews. It's only Jews who are front-men who are
involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the Cardinal, just like
in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen Spector was Spelly's [Cardinal
Spellman's] Jew in the assassination [of President Kennedy], and he
would never say a word about it.

Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there's anything
that you don't want me to print, please let me know because, literally, I'm
going to print everything we say in this conversation.

Phelps: That's fine, that's fine with me because it needs
to be said.

Martin: Let's get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want
to shine the spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let's talk about
him. What does he do? Who is he? Let's talk about his position as 'General'. How
do they exercise this control over the Pope? Does the Pope know he's a pawn?

Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do
you want me to deal with?

Martin: Let's just shine the light right on the Count.

Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.

Martin: Let's start there, and you tell me everything you
want to tell me about that position.

Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and
total dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move.
The provincials are his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials
right now.

As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world
into 83 regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10
provincials in the United States. There is one for Central America. There is one
for Ireland. They've divided up the world into these provinces.

So it's old Babylonian provincial government, centered in
Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it's strictly a Roman form of
government where all the states or provinces are subordinate to this worldwide
sovereign.

The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the
Order. He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an
agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that country, how best
to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and then he uses legitimate
grievances to foam an agitation-like the 1964 Civil Rights Movement. That was
ALL a Jesuit agitation, completely, because the end result was more
consolidation of power in Washington with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that was
written by [the longtime President of the University of Notre Dame, the
Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials.
And the provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many
Jesuits who are not 'professed', so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea
what's going on at the top. They have no concept of the power of their Order.

It's just like Freemasonry. The lower have no idea that the
High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that
they're just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the
high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the
Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8
Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they
were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.

So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most
powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their
suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see the
Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars carried out by
Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins, whatever they did,
completely benefited the Jesuit Order.

It's to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count
Of Monte Cristo. The Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ.
The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about the Jesuit
General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed, and many of them
were consigned to an island, three hours sailing, West, off the coast of
Portugal. And so, when the Jesuits finally regained their power, they punished
all of the monarchs of Europe who had suppressed them, drove them from their
thrones, including the Knights of Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.

And Alexander Dumas,who fought for the Italian
patriots in 1848, to free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many
books and one of the books was to expose this, and that was TheCount
Of Monte Cristo.

So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it's really a
satire on the Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte
Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can't be beat. Well, that's the Jesuit
Order.

But the Count doesn't get what he really ought to have, or
his last wish, and that's the love of woman. He gains back all of his political
power; he gains back everything he lost; but he doesn't have the love of a
woman. And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have no love of a
woman. Because to have a wife, to have a woman, means you have an allegiance to
your wife and family, and you cannot obey the General. That's why they will
NEVER be married, and that's one of the great KEYS to their success.

They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all
the Irish Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can
betray us in Vietnam and walk away. They can betray us every time we go to the
hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk away, because it's 'for
the greater glory of God'-Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam: the greater glory of the god
who sits in Rome.

Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?

Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world,
with the Pope of their making, from Solomon's rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem.
That's their ultimate goal.

Martin: And why is Solomon's Temple rebuilt so important?

Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When
Ignatius Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did was, he
wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters there. So, he went
there, he tried to do it and failed, came back, went to school, started his
Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a good idea to just review a little bit
about Ignatius Loyola.

Martin: Yes.

Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he
was wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg was
shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very brave in conflict,
ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they set the leg and sent him back
to his home-which, of course, he was royalty to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain,
in the area of the Basques.

Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg-it
had healed improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg, with
severe, horrible, awful pain-and trying to stretch this leg to get it back to
normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had it rebroken, again, a
couple of times and it still did not heal properly, so he had a perpetual limp.
He could no longer be the courtier among women, and as a result, he went into
this depression, and he then had this vision of the saints, etc., etc., and he
wrote his spiritual exercises.

I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute,
but I'll take up from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this
happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual exercises would be basic
training for all of his Jesuits. That's what they will ALL go through. That's
what every Jesuit goes through today.

One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my
superior says 'black is white and white is black', then that's the way it is.
That is in his spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in JFK, when
Kevin Costner is telling his people: 'Hey, people, we've got to start thinking
like the CIA. Black is white and white is black.' That was a Jesuit giveaway
that the Jesuits produced that movie, because they're quoting Ignatius Loyola in
that movie from his spiritual exercises.

So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel,
and he set his mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation.
And so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the Jesuit Order.
But this man is a soldier, he's a lawyer, and he put together a legion of
soldiers and warriors to get back what Rome had lost, as well as institute a
World Government for the Pope, from Jerusalem. This was in 1540.

He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the
Inquisition, and he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at
the feet of the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered
him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the Jesuit
Order; now he has Papal protection, and they began their awful history of deeds
of blood. And war after war after war after war, they're all attributed to the
Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic nobles, with lots of money, donated castles
and schools and money to the Jesuit Order.

Virtually everything they own has been given to them or
stolen by them. Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World
War II. They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever
they went into a country. What's just been released is NOTHING compared to what
they've taken.

In Edmond Paris's book, printed by Ozark Publications, called
The Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did.
It calls it-the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the Jesuits, their
massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond Paris did not understand that
the Jesuit General-and this is one of the most important points I want to make
about Von Kolvenbach-the Jesuit General is in complete control of the
international intelligence community: that's the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the
Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the British SIS. The Jesuit General is in
COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence apparatus-FBI, every bureaucratic
agency in this country, all of it; he is in complete control of it.

So, whenever he wants to find something out about an
individual, they put in the Social Security number, and everything from
all of the intelligence apparatus kicks-in and he and his provincials can review
everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it, everything that's
attached to Rome's social security number, which FDR put upon us in 1933 with
the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he was Archbishop, or maybe it was
Cardinal Hayes-but Rome was behind FDR in putting him in office.

The couple of things that he did was implement social
insecurity, the income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin's bloody Jesuit USSR
government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number, that is
Rome's number-that's why I refuse to use it-and that's why they want everybody
using it for everything: driver's license, tax return, credit card, everything
you do, that number is you and that number is Rome's number.

Martin: Let me just back-up here for a minute. What comes
to mind is Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.

Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight
of Columbus; I can't prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has got to be
a Knight of Columbus.

And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And
Louis Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City bombing
atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic named Lon Horiuchi.

So, it's Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of
the FBI, who carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and
Lon Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O'Connorof
New York. And Cardinal O'Connor of New York is the most powerful Cardinal in the
country. He is the military vicar. And that's why Bush kissed his fanny for
going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal O'Connoris the King of the
American Empire. And he rules his Empire from that Palace, St. Patrick's
Cathedral, 'the little Vatican'.

Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with
Kolvenbach?

Phelps: Of course. O'Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but
the Jesuits are like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.

And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the
Jesuits of Fordham University. Now, one of them-the head of Fordham University,
I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council on Foreign
Relations]. And I have that right here in the Annual Report of the CFR of
1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain semblance and rule over the Cardinal in
New York. And, of course, the powerful Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles
and John Foster Dulles, one of the writers of the book on the Second Vatican
Council.

Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to
the Protestant Reformation. Remember-the Protestant Reformation brought us all
of the political liberty that we know of today. There's no such thing as
national sovereignty without the Reformation. There's no such thing as private
rights without the Reformation. There's no such thing as the Law of Nations, as
we know of it today, of Montesquieu and the others, without the Reformation.

So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of
salvation by grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the
priesthood to go to Heaven-that all we need is salvation in Christ, and
Romans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the Reformation came,
it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power. The priests were no longer
wanted because the people were getting the word of God in a Bible,
specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these great revivals
breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations were breaking away from
the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was breaking up. Charles V, the
Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a gardener. So, the Lord was moving
mightily in breaking the power of the Holy Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne
and the Pope.

Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing
lots of money. The nations were not paying 'Peter's pence' anymore, which today
we call 'foreign aid' in this country. And so the Pope was very upset about his.

What's he going to do? These nations are breaking away from
us; they're not under our temporal or spiritual power; and it's very important
to remember that the Pope claims two powers-spiritual and temporal-and with the
breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost his temporal power. In other
words, he no longer had the ability to rule the people through the king of the
country, because the king was breaking away, like Henry VIII.

So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed
the Church of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was happening
in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.

As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with
his demonisms, his 'spiritual exercises' and-because Loyola had been a member of
the Spanish Alumbrados,which is what we call the Illuminati
today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to regain back what had been
taken by the Reformation-what the Lord had done through Luther, Calvin, and
Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin, and Knox-none of those men died violent
deaths. They all lived to older age and died peacefully, amidst the power of the
Jesuit machinations.

The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25
Sessions accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns
anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in the host [holy
communion bread], and that his literal blood is in the wine. That's called
transubstantiation. Anybody who does not believe that is an accursed anathema.
Anybody who believes that their salvation is outside the Catholic Church is
accursed anathema. Anybody who believes in justification by grace through
faith-anathema, accursed. Anybody who believes that the Pope is not the vicar of
Christ-accursed, anathema. You see, all of these doctrines were being put forth
as a result of reading the Bible, which produced the Reformation, and so
the Jesuits accursed everything that the Reformers were preaching. This is all
in Law called the Council of Trent.

In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important
Session, the Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and
freedom of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own religion; no
man has the right to publish what he feels is the truth; and no man has the
right to freedom of conscience.

Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist
forefathers in the First Amendment. The man who wrote the First
Amendment was James Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by
that Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: 'If you don't secure all
those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution.' Virginia was a
Baptist/Calvinist state.

So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the
doctrines of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his
Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin[1536]wrote the
Institutes Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he was 27, and
he dedicated it to the King of France. And because the Jesuits so hated him, he
was driven from France and he resided in Geneva to the day of his death, when he
became Governor of Geneva. It's Calvin and his Institutes Of The Christian
Religion vs. Loyola and his Council of Trent, if you want it sewed-up in two
major documents.

Martin: Council of Trent was what year?

Phelps: From 1545-1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a
little town in Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the town of Trent,
Italy.

The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that
was finished in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another extension of Calvin's
Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the Covenanterswent by when they resisted the powers of Rome and England. That document
is a major document, and it's not the new Westminster Confession, it's
the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope the man of sin, that Roman
Anti-Christ, and they also denounced anti-Christian tyranny.

And that it is their duty, to use what they call 'the sword
of the spirit', which is the Word of God, which we read in Ephesians, Chapter
6, and 'the sword of just defense'-the gun, the sword.

So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and
a time for war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it's
necessary. It was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty in England
with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent Baptist. It was Calvinists
in Holland who gave the Dutch their political liberty, with William of Orange,
and later his son, Prince Maurice, and then later, in our great country, when it
was Washington, the Freemason who did not go into that Masonic Lodge that last
30 years of his life-in his own words-who was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was
baptized in the First Baptist Church of New York by one of his captains, Pastor
Gano, all surrounded by Calvinists.

That's why they didn't surrender at Valley Forge; that's why,
when they were naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they endured
that because they were Bible-believing Calvinists and they refused to
submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled by the Jesuits.

And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul,
we've lost everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second Amendment,
secured their right to bear arms, because they secured the right, the 'sword of
just defense'. And the 'sword of the spirit' is contained in the First
Amendment, the right to have the Bible never taken from them. The two
swords of Calvinism are secured in the First and Second Amendments.
Without those first two Amendments, all the others are nothing.

How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman's signing
into law of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit Agenda?

Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese
called 'Dirty Harry'-when they heard the movie Dirty Harry came out, they
thought it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to my Japanese pastor
friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.

Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast
Democratic machine in Missouri.Harry Truman takes over after
FDR's murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard Baruch. When he did
that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called the dropping of the
nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax called the Cold War, that
would enable the Vatican to knock over country after country after country, and
replace the leaders with dictators, subordinate to the Pope. That was the
purpose of the Cold War.

And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the
Emergency War Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building
bomb shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.

When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under
military or martial law, and that's when the flags in every courtroom, state and
federal, began to be changed. And every state flag and every U.S. flag is now
trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever you see a flag trimmed in gold
fringe, that means that it is the flag of the Commander-in-Chief. Now, if it's
the state flag, it means that's the flag of the governor, as Commander-in-Chief.
And if it's the federal flag, or the national flag, more correctly, it's the
flag of the Commander-in-Chief in Washington.

So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of
military rule. They all proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no
power of jury nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the
Empire, which I call 14th Amendment America, which is a military-style,
King of England-style country. The courts are nothing more than courts of the
king's bench, as you can see in Blackstone's Commentaries.

And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have
a flag trimmed in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call, in
Blackstone's day, the king's bank. So, we have the king's bank, and we have the
king's bench. And it's run according to military rule, according to Berkheimer's
great work Military Rule And Martial Law, published in 1914.

When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a
great plan to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war
rule. 'Daylight savings time' is what was called 'war time'. This country
only went to daylight savings time during World War II, and they called it, at
that time, war time. So, nothing's changed. We've never gone back to not turning
back our clocks. We're still on war time. The income tax is a war tax. It was
called a victory tax in 1942.

So, people are paying a war tax, they're under war time,
they're under an emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.

Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John
Kennedy, which could take this entire interview, you say that the
assassination was ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul VI, and
carried out by the 'American Pope', Francis Cardinal Spellman-who, in turn, used
the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus, and Mafia Dons,
including the FBI and CIA, to carry out the order from Rome. Would you explain
why you believe your particular theory on the assassination to be an accurate
representation of the facts?

Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are
properly outlined [in his book], and proven through two centuries of
showing how it's all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be conservative
and stick with Fletcher Prouty's reasons, that he outlined in his JFK and
also his other book called The Secret Team.

The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end
the Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets two
questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome control the CIA? The
answer is yes on both counts.

We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called 'Spelly's
War'-Cardinal Spellman's war. He went over to the warfront many times and he
called the American soldiers the 'soldiers of Christ'. The man who was the
Commander of the American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a
Knight of Columbus, I don't know, but he was General William Westmoreland.

So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman's agent to make sure
that war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was
Cardinal Spellman's boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a
33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with J. Edgar
Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.

And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman's death at St.
Patrick's Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney's work The
American Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of Cardinal
Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd-in-control of the FBI. According to
Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, DeLoachhad a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson could call him
anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to Spellman.

Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled
by the Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War?
The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They would not
convert to Catholicism. They didn't need Rome.

There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so
it had been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be
'purged'. They would later continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol Pot, and
the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam
of all these Buddhists, just like they purged the Buddhists of China with Mao
Zedong, because Mao Zedong was completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they
wanted the Vietnam War.

The other thing is that Rome is in control of the
drug trade. The Vatican controls all of the drug
trade-all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the cocaine, everything going
around in Columbia.

Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a
treaty with the Pope. Hitler had a concordat.Mussolini had a concordat.Francohad aconcordat. They want to set up a concordat here,
which was the reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of
Vatican City in 1984.The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald
Reagan.

So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you
think that drugs running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat
with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn't want the drug trade out of
Columbia, they'd end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run by high Mafia
families out of the country of Columbia, subject to the Jesuit General.

And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of
centuries ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie
Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit 'black
ships' that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and gold and opals and
everything they could pull out of the East, including opium.

The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge
massive drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being
brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed by the
Trafficantefamily throughout the United States-Santos Trafficante
out of Miami.

So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug
trade. We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the
assassination of Kennedy.

The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time,
Jean-Baptist Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was
going to end the Vietnam War.

The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA,
because the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not giving
the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman Catholic,
Jesuit-trained, grease-ball bastard-he was a bastard, his father was a
Nazi-Fidel Castro.

Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion,
which sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so
Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by the CIA and the
KGB at the top, working together with Angleton controlling it, in the Hungarian
Revolution, when the CIA fomented that revolution, and then betrayed all of
those patriots into the hands of the Soviet army and KGB, which infuriated
certain top CIA officials.

It's the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you
sacrifice the men who truly want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge
Bundy stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended that
resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of course, it was
meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained him. So now Kennedy looks
bad. He's got egg all over his face. What does he want to do? He signs a
Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and takes all of the power away from
the CIA, and gives it to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the
founders of the CIA was 'Wild' Bill Donovan,an Irish Roman
Catholic, who are the most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican priest,
Vincent. So, the CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic, the first head, to
solidify the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.

I'm not against the Catholic people; I'm against Rome's
hierarchy. The American Catholic people know NOTHING of what's going on. And
if they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick's tomorrow morning. So, as
I'm against the hierarchy, I'm showing that Kennedy was against the Vietnam War,
and he was going to do away with the CIA.

Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS
soldiers into the CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews in
Europe. When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits followed with the
SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews. That's why Stalin deliberately
killed 40,000 of his best officers. That's why he kicked out his best generals,
purged them, because he wanted to make sure that the Red Army would lose with
the advance of the German army, because following that would come the SS and
purge Russia of the Jews that Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is often
poetic because Stalin's daughter married a Jew.

Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an
arm-and the intelligence arm-of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta were
throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight of Malta. The
Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the 'Vatican desk', and that
is a desk within the CIA that has a direct link to the Vatican.

So, Kennedy wanted to end this 'intelligence community'. That
was the end of him.

Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to
end the Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits' Federal Reserve
Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid of him. They killed our only
Roman Catholic president.

And it's another piece of poetic justice that a Roman
Catholic-not Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and others-it's a Roman
Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the Pope in this
country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in fact, a
socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal power of the Pope.
And for that we should be thankful and remember his name.

But what have they done to his name? They've slammed it. They
drag it into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before you his
womanizing, which I don't deny, but my goodness, can't we give him some credit
where credit is due? That's why they got rid of John F. Kennedy.

And then, of course, as soon as he's assassinated, John
McCone, the head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House
and they reverse Kennedy's Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and make a
full-scale, carte blache war.

The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it
was a CIA war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their
anti-gravity machines, their men who they're trying to make like the
'million-dollar man'. They tried out all their new technology in Vietnam. It was
a great experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this. He knew it, and he knew
that the American people had no idea what was going down, and he still tried to
resist it, against his father's warnings. Because his father was the most
powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.

Martin:Any theories on why they took out junior?

Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication,
John F. Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father's real killers, and he had the
power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right away. They would
not allow that to happen.

Martin: Why haven't you been taken out?

Phelps: Because I am immortal-until the Lord is done with
me. I am a Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of God.
And as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch us, regardless of
their power.

Martin: Which is why we're having this conversation.

Phelps: Which is why we're having the conversation. Don't
think for one moment they're not tapping this phone. They know this. The issue
is here. We're talking about a providential, sovereign God who wishes to move,
using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.

The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it's one group
of men vs. another group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true,
almighty God leads to goodness.

The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to
believe God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It's just a handful
of us who say: 'Well, we're going to do His Will; we're going to trust Him in
His Power.'

And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the
fiery furnace of Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We're going to
tell the truth!

Martin: Let's see here. I can throw away a lot of these
questions. So much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current times
because there's so much going on now. But, good grief! I was just stunned to
read in your book of all the historical things that have happened as a result of
these evil people. You dedicated the book to four Roman Catholics who, I'm sure,
no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin,
and Alberto Rivera. Why them?

Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests;
they left the priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening. And
all four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with their life.
Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President Lincoln,
when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886.
He proves that Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was
covered-up by our government at the time.

Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came
here and, seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so
corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later came to Christ and
became a Bible-believer, which they would call a Protestant. Protestants
today don't believe the Bible. Protestantism of today is an empty shell,
it's nothing. But, back then, in 1912, they believed the Bible.

Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he
exposed, that helped me with this, was that he warned that the Jesuits, with
their Knights of Columbus-which, he says, the Knights of Columbus, named after
Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and a deflowerer of
young girls-that Columbus was no Christian.

He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the
purpose of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfil Jesuitical politics, and part
of those politics was to restore the temporal power of the Pope because, you
remember, the Pope had lost that in 1870 and they wanted to get it back. And
they got it back with Mussoliniin 1929.

Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that
Taft and Teddy Roosevelt were all cow-towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of
New York. And he said they're going to use our military to restore the Pope's
temporal power around the world.

And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American
foreign policy. And the Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of
today. That's what's going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It's the Council of
Trent-the Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those orthodox people to
smithereens. But, that was Crowley's great contribution.

Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The
People'sPadre; he wrote Crime And Immorality In The Catholic
Church, showing that Catholic nations are more lawless and more criminal
than Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics from the jails.

Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The
Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was
assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the Catholic
Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never was saved, but he did
tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a virtuous and honorable life after
he left.

The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly
hated by the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the
late '60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the ecumenical movement,
that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome controlled Billy Graham; that
Rome controlled, virtually, our government-Ronald Reagan.

Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk,
indicating that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So, Alberto
Rivera converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a ministry called The
Anti-Christ Information Center, out of Los Angeles.

They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle
up between his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain. When he
passed out, about a year or so later, they couldn't figure it out. Everybody was
praying for him. And this was discovered when he went to another dentist. He had
it removed.

He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five
times to kill the man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a hospital,
about three years ago. But these four wonderful, great, Catholic priests did
their best to expose the power of Rome and its attempts to destroy our
sovereign, Protestant, Bible-believing nation. And so, to them, I
dedicate it.

Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What
started it for you?

Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot
first and foremost-America first, and everybody else second. Later, when I came
to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the same thing-that
the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never instituted world governments;
that's always the result of the Devil's working.

So, being a patriot and a nationalist-believing in national
sovereignty-I was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was garrisoned in a
nuclear weapons area for three years in Germany, came back and started to go to
Biblecollege.

When I went toBible college, the issue of the
King James came up, as far as it being an archaic version. And that's
what I used and I had never given it a thought. Well, some were using NIV, some
NASB, and I thought: 'Well, maybe it's just a modern version of what I have
here.' And I thought: 'Well, if they want to use that, that's fine, but I'll use
the King James.'

I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James,
the Textus Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation. It represents
95% of the existing manuscripts that we have today. The Greek text that
underlies all these other versions-there's a Westcott and Hort Greek text, which
I then discovered was really a conspiracy to adulterate the Textus Receptus
in England, led by Brooke Foss Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors,
Mary-worshippers.

Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to
sit in on the revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the
Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew-off the Anglican
Church. He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.

So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been
invited to sit on this revision committee, the end result being a Greek text
that had been produced that was pro-Jerome's Latin Vulgate.
Jerome's Latin Vulgate is the basis for the Jesuit's Reheims-Douay
text, that was put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival William Tyndale's
English text, which later became the King James Version of 1611.

So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible
college, attempting to deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version of
1611, in it's present edition of 1769. Now I thought 'Well, here the Jesuits
are, what else have they done?' And the next thing I was led to was the Lincoln
assassination. And I can remember reading Burke McCarty's The Suppressed
Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham Lincoln, and weeping in the back
room, when I was in college.

Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of
your book was the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.

Phelps: That's what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not
going to go along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted those Southern
states to re-enter the Union on the same footing that they had left, which would
have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had established it. This the
Jesuits would not allow. It would be converted into an Empire. The states would
be subordinate provinces to Washington. And the 14th Amendment would
accomplish this with the reversion of citizenship. And Lincoln was re-elected,
and he was ready to end this, and that's why they killed him. Kennedy was ready
to implement his things; they would not let him be re-elected.

Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across
The Jefferson Bible?

Phelps:The Jefferson Bible-and maybe you know
this-is Matthew, Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being
the pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from those three gospels.
Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the French Freemasons who were
involved in the French Revolution, and he was not here at the writing of our
Protestant Constitution. So, the Lord put him out of the picture.
Jefferson was just used to help with the Revolution-because the Lord does use
the unGodly for good things. But Jefferson copied much of the Declaration Of
Independence from the Mechlenburg Declaration, written by Calvinistic
Presbyterians of North Carolina, when they seceded, when that county of
Mechlenburg seceded from the Colonies.

Martin: Never heard of it.

Phelps: Yes, you'll find it in Presbyterian writings. You
can find it from D. James Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson copied,
at the end: '...and to this end we devote our lives, our fortunes, and our
sacred honor.'

That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration.
Jefferson was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of here at
the time of the writing of our Constitution. And the reason why the
people of Virginia did elect him to office was because he was a State's Rights
man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that was a good thing. And when
Jefferson was elected, he undid everything the king-president John Adams did,
with his Alien & Sedition Laws, because John Adams wanted to be a king, and
Jefferson undid it, and Jefferson got two terms for that.

Martin: I'm looking at some things that are a little
further back now. The Secreta Monita. What's the significance of that?

Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end
of this interview] are the handbooks that are given to the professed
Jesuits, those under extreme oath. [The oath is presented in full at
the end of this interview.] And it tells them how to conduct their plans,
subjugating peoples and nations to the Jesuit General, and thus, to the temporal
power of the Pope. It tells how they are to deceive. It shows how they are to
swindle rich widows out of their fortunes, like they did with Astor's second
wife who survived the Titanic catastrophe. It shows their general approach on
how to do things.

This particular book cannot be known, and if it's ever
published, they will deny it's existence. But when you see the works that the
Jesuits have done, it's in complete agreement with the Secreta Monita.

There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin's
book The Engineer Core Of Hell, written in 1886 I believe-another
suppressed work. It's usually in the archives of all the older libraries back
here. And he shows how this Secreta Monita was discovered in South
America by a Mason, and the Mason managed to escape to a lodge after being shot.
He turned the Secreta Monita over to the lodge, and then these certain
Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita. There are certain low-level Freemasons
who believe that the Jesuit Order is their enemy, so that's why it was taken to
the lodge and then published. But the high-level Masons, of course, work with
them. The Secreta Monita was discovered once that way. It was published
in Holland. Then, in 1857, reprinted by England.

Martin:Pascal's Provincial Letters had a
devastating impact on exposing the Jesuits. Why?

Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist.
So here we have another fearless man. He doesn't fear death; he's going to tell
the truth. So Blaise Pascal wrote a series of letters that were written to and
from provincials, and he wrote them in a satirical manner, that of course
excited that wonderful French mind. The French, of course, came to the
conclusion that this was absolutely the truth, and then they moved to suppress
the Jesuits again. But his Provincial Letters are considered a classic.
Blaise Pascal also wrote some other great works, too.

Martin: Pope Ganganelli-Clement XIV abolished the Order
entirely in 1773, and was murdered as a result.

Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.

Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from
different kingdoms throughout Europe. It doesn't take a genius to figure out
that something was terribly wrong with this group!

Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those
people brainwashed bigots and fanatical Protestants who abolished the Jesuit
Order?

You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic
countries, by Catholic monarchs. And that's why the Roman Catholic monarchs and
nobility of today don't dare resist them. The Kennedys won't touch them. The
monarchs of Europe won't touch them. The Hapsburgs won't touch them, because the
Jesuits have vindicated their power in the French Revolution and the Napoleonic
Wars-well, then they went to suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were,
for the most part, kicked-out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe
banned them. Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the second
Thirty Years War, was pay-back for this. And ever since then, nobody touches
them.

Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the
Jesuits call it a 'brief'. It is not a brief; it is in the Library of the Bulls,
and it is called Dominic Ac Redemptor Nostor. That is the name of a bull.
And when he abolished them, he abolished them forever-that they were not to talk
about their abolition, that they were not to teach. He confiscated all of their
wealth and land and property. For the most part, the Dominicans took it over,
which is why the Dominicans had their penis cut off during the French
Revolution. That's what the Jacobins did to them. It was payback by the Jesuits:
'You don't dare take our property from us, boy. And you don't dare take
Inquisition from us.' Jacobinskilled nearly every Dominican in
France.

Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so
significant?

Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious
liberty. William of Orange is the man who gave the Jews the freedom to come to
Amsterdam. And the Jews called Amsterdam, 'the new Jerusalem'. William of Orange
was a Catholic to begin with. Remember when he was in the forest, hunting with
the king of France, and the king of France lay bare to him their plans to
destroy all the Protestants in Holland, William kept silent. And that's why he
was called 'William the taciturn' or 'William the silent'.

So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to
Holland determined that he would deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from
this annihilation. William went to Germany with his German wife, and he,
according to Motley in his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of Germans
and they did not succeed in liberating Holland. And so, it was the Dutch
themselves who joined William of Orange in an attempt to liberate the country,
which they ultimately did as the 'wild beggars of the sea'.

So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from
the seige of the fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when the
Lord providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over the dikes, and flooded
the whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.

And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West
wind and blew the water back over the dikes. This is a historical fact! Why
don't we hear this in history? For the same reason we don't hear when Louis XIV
brought his army across the river into Holland to kill all those Dutch, in 1672,
right around there, that the river, right where the army was crossing, thawed
out, and the whole French army went to the bottom of the river, as a result of
the prayers of those Protestants of Holland. We're not taught that either!

The assassination of William of Orange was probably the
second most significant act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of Coligny
at St. Bartholomew's Massacre. Because it was first St. Bartholomew's massacre,
and then the murder of William of Orange. And, of course, William of Orange was
shot by a Jesuit-controlled assassin, Balthazar Girard, in his own house. And
the last words of William, of course, were: 'God be merciful to these poor
people.'

Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International
Affairs?

Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is
the same as the American Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute
runs England and the British Empire, what was once the extension of the British,
just as the CFR runs our country. They're sister organizations.

Martin: Where are they based?

Phelps: They're based in London.

Martin: And who is their head; do you know?

Phelps: I don't know right now. The John Birch Society
wrote a lot about that, and they did expose the CFR and the Royal Institute of
International Affairs. Allan Stang has written a lot about that.

Martin: What was the 'Gunpowder Plot' of 1605?

Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits
attempt to destroy what William Howitt-and Howitt was the great writer who wrote
A Popular History Of Priestcraft, 1835-he said it was a Jesuit attempt to
destroy our Great King Solomon, King James I, along with the entire Protestant
Parliament. Because remember, Elizabeth I had expelled the Jesuits from her
empire, and if they were ever caught they were to be drawn and quartered.

After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on
with William Cecil. They named Mary Queen of Scott's son as the King of England,
rather than Elizabeth's son, because Elizabeth had a son who was the Earl of
South Hampton, Wriothesley,and that was the son of Edward Devere,
who we know as William Shakespeare.

There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere.
He ran the Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth,
and he secretly had a son who was theThird Earl of South Hampton.
He was the rightful heir to the thrown, not King James VI of Scotland.

You can find all this documented in two great works: the
first is called Shakespeare Identified and the author is Looney. The
explosion of that book is called This Star Of England, written by Carlton
and Dorothy Ogborn, in 1952, and it's a 1200-page work, and in it they explain
all the plays of Shakespeare, and that they are, in the words of Hamlet: 'A
brief abstract and chronicle of the times.' Nothing but history.

And then there's another book, Wasn't Shakespeare Someone
Else?, written by Tweeny, and in that book he evaluates the 150 sonnets. In
those sonnets Edward Devere put his name: Vere or Uvre or Vere-he puts his name
in acrostics throughout all the sonnets. And the last couple sonnets he puts his
name in double acrostics. It's amazing, showing that he wrote the sonnets.

Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of
Nantes, and what was it's significance?

Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes-it can
be spelled Nantes or Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was put forward by King
Henry IV. King Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he converted to Protestantism
and he became a Huguenot. But he was not allowed to take the throne of France
until he renounced his Protestantism. So, for the sake of the kingdom, he
renounced his Protestantism, and in 1610, I believe, issued forth the Edict of
Nantes.

The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the
French. That included the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course
included those who would have followed Admiral Coligny, who the Jesuits murdered
with that she-wolf, Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of Nantes we have
religious liberty in France. This cannot be. France is a cornerstone of Jesuit
power, so it cannot allow this to be in place. The Council of Trent condemns it,
because it's freedom of conscience.

So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they
stabbed him through his heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered
Henry IV for this, and also for attempting to reinforce the Dutch. They then, in
1685-when the Beatles are singing about the 'Sun King' in their 'white' album,
they're singing about Louis XIV. And that's telling you that the Beatles are
Jesuit-controlled. The Sun King, Louis XIV who reigned, who rules over France
for, I believe, 60 years, he, because of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise,
revokes the Edict of Nantes, and with that, no more religious freedom in France.

And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and
killed every Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the
country, the wealth of France, the manhood of France, all left for Holland and
England. That destroyed France. From then on, France became a nothing nation.

The French Revolution could never have happened had not the
Revocation of the Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now, there's no Bible
in France. And to this day, the French have never published a French version of
the Textus Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles have been
produced in foreign countries, when they've been translated from the Greek
Textus Receptusinto French; France has never done it. That shows the
Jesuit power over France to this day.

And the French have probably been the most manly, the
strongest, the most gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits out of
their country. They've kicked them out, to my knowledge, three times-and again,
they come back, foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive Eugene Sue into
exile; he dies of a broken heart. Drive Calvin into exile; he can never return
to France. All the great Frenchmen are driven into exile.

So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie
for the French. They helped us in our American Revolution. And why did they help
us? Because they've been expelled from France. Why did Spain help us? Why did
they help finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had been expelled from Spain. So
payback came for Spain and France, for helping this heretic, Protestant nation
come into existence, with the Napoleonic Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and
drove the Bubons from the Spanish thrown. That was payback.

Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618-1648, you state
that the Jesuits, through Ferdinand II, killed-off 10 million people. That's
quite a statement.

Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath's History Of
The World, published in 1899. And that is his encyclopedia of his history of
the world. That was common knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years War was hell on Earth
for Europe. Two-thirds of Germany was brought back to Rome. It was leveled,
plundered, and destroyed.

Wallenstein and Tillywere the fanatical Roman
Catholic generals who raped, pillaged, and plundered everything in their path.
But the Lord raised up certain great generals like Gustavus Adolphus from
Sweden. He was called the 'Snow King' and he was the one who ultimately, he
paved the way for the victory of the 30 Years War.

But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the
peace of Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to, there would have
been no modern era as we know it today. According to any historian, the modern
era begins in 1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland ended with Spain.
That is when the 30 Years War ended with Ferdinand II and the Protestants of
Germany, and Sweden, and so-on.

1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began,
when inventors could go to Germany and say: 'Well, you know, maybe the Earth
isn't flat.' And maybe Leeuwenhoek could invent the microscope in Holland, and
now, later on, James Clerk Maxwell, who was a Bible-believing, Protestant
Presbyterian, he can write his treatise called Electricity And Magnetism,
the father of what we know today about electricity and magnetism. Now, science
can blossom and bloom. Now we can have literature. Now we can have great
writers, like Sir Walter Scott, who writes great works like IvanhoeandPeveril Of The Peak. Now we can have Charles Dickens,
another Protestant, who writes A TaleOf Two Cities, one of London
and the other of Rome. We have great literature surfacing as a result of the
Modern Era.

But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the
Reformation and the Modern Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek to
reverse the effects of the Modern Era, and thus, what was brought about by the
30 Years War. And to know the 30 Years War is to understand the second 30 Years
War, which started in 1914 and ended in 1945.

Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from
Japan. Apparently the Jesuits never forgot that.

Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they
have been expelled. And remember the words of Lincoln: 'The Jesuits never forget
nor forsake.'

So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had
expelled them, so that dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be
destroyed or his dynasty would end. And so payback time was the mass
fire-bombings by the American Air Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the
Jesuits own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald-Douglas, and Grumman, and they used
their B-29 to firebomb Japan to smithereens. You can get the fact that the
Jesuits control these aircraft companies from Avro Manhattan's The Vatican
Billions.

Martin: I'm trying to get a little more current here, but
some of this older stuff is also so fascinating, I'm going back and forth here.
Our readers are just going to have to be a little flexible in their reading. (laughter)

Phelps: Right.

Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was
it, and let's discuss the hatred between the Protestants and Catholics in
Ireland, as a result of the Irish Massacre.

Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech,
freedom of conscience, freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth of
Protestantism, because all Protestants were defending their right to believe the
Bible in the face of Rome's expectations to believe the priests and the
decrees of the Popes.

Many of the Irish were born-again. They came to know the
Lord. Much preaching was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick's Day,
was no Catholic. He was a Protestant. And so, he was a great Protestant preacher
of Ireland, and many, many Irish came to know the Lord. And their point of
location was primarily in the North, in Northern Ireland, which today is Ulster,
Belfast, etc.

Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we
are making and waging relentless war on all Protestants, and all political
liberals, they hatched-out the plot to kill all the Irish Protestants in Ireland
with the O'Neil family. And I wonder if that O'Neil family was related to Tip
O'Neil?

In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic
nobles and the mobs in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it continued
from 1641 to 1649. The massacre ended when they killed 150,000, but they still
taught the Catholic children to kill the Protestant children. So, Irish
Protestants were being massacred, enmasse, for 8 years.

This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about
Oliver Cromwell, when Cromwellcame up with his Puritan Army and
ended that, when he took Drogheda, and killed every living thing in
Drogheda-men, women, children, animal, everything.

Ones say: 'Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to
Drogheda!' What about those beasts killing those Irish Protestants for 8 years,
bashing out the brains of the little babies, smashing them up against the walls
like they did, led by the priests?

This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in
World War II, when they gouged-out the eyes of all the Serbians, where one
particular priest had 23 kilos worth of eyes. They were doing the same thing to
the Irish Protestants.

So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish
Massacre, and the Irish Massacre was NOT started by the Protestants, it was
started by the Jesuits according to Fox's Book Of Martyrs. And you can
find the whole narration there, which was a classic that all Englishmen used to
read with the King James Bible.

Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is truly
Protestant-controlled, Jewish-controlled, or Jesuit-controlled?

Phelps: Jesuit-controlled.

Martin: Why?

Phelps: Well, let's go back. To understand today we have
to go back to the Napoleonic Wars.

When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to power in
Corsica. When the Jesuits were suppressed, one of their main outposts during
their suppression was the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits, remember, had finished
the High Rites of Freemasonry with Frederick the Great, and then used their
French Freemason Napoleon to execute their vengeance.

However, the Jesuits were also protected during their
suppression in England. A very wealthy landowner-and you can find this in
Ridpath's History Of The World-gave his wonderful, beautiful estate
Stonyhurstto the Jesuit Order. And from then on, the Jesuits
received protection by King George III, and you will find that in Mitchell's
The Jesuits. Mitchell is an English historian.

Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George III.
Well, they're going to uphold his throne. The Jesuits use the English army and
navy in the resistance of Napoleon, as both sides are controlled, so that the
Jesuits can control the outcome.

The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes
everything that the Jesuits want him to do-the expulsion of the Knights of
Malta, the driving of the Roman Catholics from their throne, imprisoning the
Pope for 5 years, etc.-Napoleon is then ordered to abandon his army in the snows
of Russia, killing all of those French and German patriots, so that there are
very few patriots left in Europe to resist the tyranny coming in France with
Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put back on the throne.

Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King George's own
parlor, waiting for the end of the Napoleonic Wars. So, the Jesuits put Louis
XVIII back on the throne. He readmitted the Jesuits, started the Inquisition,
just like they did with Ferdinand VII when they restored him to power in Spain
after the Napoleonic Wars.

And where do these monarchs get their protection? From King
George III. King George was used by the Jesuits to restore their power in
Europe, after the Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the Pope and the
monarchs.

So, it's been, really, from 1795, right around there, that
the Jesuits have controlled England. They've controlled the Knights, they've
controlled the King. All throughout the 18th century, now, England will never go
to war with France again. England will side with the French during the Crimean
War. England will be on the side of the French during World Wars I & II. England
and France are together, both controlled by the Jesuits-even though France is
predominantly a Catholic country, and when England was, at least on it's face, a
Protestant country. Why should both be working together, both having the same
foreign policy. Why? Because the Jesuits control both countries.

When Rothschild sent that note, via Roost, into London,
saying that Napolean had won the Battle of Waterloo, that's when the stocks
plummeted, and all the Jesuits bought all the stocks up, there in London, and
got control of the Bank of England. The Jesuits then made London their
commercial center of the world, and Rome their religious center, aiming that one
day Jerusalem would be both.

So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After the
Napoleonic Wars, we have the Congress of Vienna in 1815, and guess who's there?
All the representatives of King George. England is represented at the Congress
of Vienna, the settlement after the Napoleonic Wars. If England was truly
Protestant, they would have never went there. Now the Jesuits are in control of
England throughout the 1800s, and they use the British Empire to further the
power of the Pope. England has been under Rome's control, the Pope's control,
since, at the very latest, 1850. And I say since 1795.

Martin: Let's talk about Elizabeth II.

Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil queen. She is the head
of the Knights of Malta in England. She curtsies to the Lord Mayor in Old
London, and she goes and visits the Jesuits of Stonyhurst and kisses their
derrières. She has complete allegiance to the Jesuits of Stonyhurst, and will do
anything they tell her to do, or they'll get rid of her just like they got rid
of all the rest of the monarchs in Europe.

Martin: So you see her as a pawn.

Phelps: She's just a pawn, sure. She's nothing. Remember,
White men rule the world. Evil, White, sodomite, homosexual men rule the world,
and these are the High Jesuits, with their High Knights of Malta and High
Freemasons, they rule. And these women who are involved are just pawns in their
game, like the queen, the queen of Holland, just to give the appearance that
these nations have a sovereign monarch, when in fact, they're just tools.

England has done some awful, terrible things, but all of the
things that they have done increase and benefit the Jesuit Order. They never
resisted Napoleon III. Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman Catholic Freemason,
subject to the Jesuits, who was the King of France for 18 years, second Empire.
England never resisted him. They fought with him in the Crimean War. And
Napoleon III dedicated all of his ships to the Virgin Mary. England has been on
the side of the Jesuits since 1815, no later. So, that means that the British
Secret Service is totally working for Rome, all throughout the 1800s.

Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control of the Vatican
in 1814?

Phelps: Remember that they were in control of Napoleon. A
Jesuit by the name of Abbie Sieyes-you can find him, again, in Ridpath's
History Of The World-Abbie Sieyes was a Jesuit-trained individual, and I
believe he was a Jesuit. He was on the Directory, and he was also on the
Consulate; he was the second counsel. Napoleon was the first; he was the second.
He was the advisor and director of Napoleon. Abbie Sieyes, being the Jesuit that
he was, ordered Napoleon to imprison the Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the
Pope was in prison for 5 years until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order.
The Pope, prior to that, was killed. They brought him over the mountains of the
Alps, and he died through that debacle.

The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their
French soldiers to overturn St. Peter's chair, and they found, written in
Arabic: 'There is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.' And THAT
is what is under St. Peter's chair today. That was stolen from some kalifduring the Crusades.

So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their
power. The Pope then restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance
of the Apostles Peter and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for anyone who would ever
suppress the Jesuit Order ever again. When the Jesuits were 'reinstalled' in all
their power, that's when they were in control of the Pope, and from then on they
have been.

Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all
the Popes know it. When Pius IX wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian
people in 1849, all of the Italians were delighted. Here is a liberal Pope; he's
going to give us constitutional rights; we're going to have a constitution.

The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldiand their Freemasons, and drove Pius IXfrom his throne. He
had to stay in Gaeta for about a year. When he returned to Rome, under the
protection of Napoleon III's French army-actually, it was the republic's army
that would later be his 'army of the empire'-but they returned with a French
army, protecting the Pope, he became the most fanatical absolutist, pursuant to
the wishes of the Jesuits.

So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don't obey, like,
what was it, In God's Name, the Pope who was murdered after 33 days, when
he didn't go along with the Jesuit Order, they ended his life.

[Editor's note: Eric is here referring to the very well
researched and deeply insightful 1984 Bantam Books gem (that's very hard to
find, for 'some' reason!) by David A. Yallop, called In God's Name, which
details the author's thorough investigation into the murder of Pope John Paul I
the night of September 28-29, 1978 after John Paul had been digging into the
massive web of corruption surrounding the Vatican Bank. For all of you who look
for clues, note well the choosing of day 33 since his election for the execution
of the murder.]

When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal did at the
PII Lodge, they killed him (Kalvi), and they hanged the other guy, beginning
with the admiralty jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the sea. So they have
their assassins everywhere to carry out orders. They are machines. They are the
perfect 'Manchurian Candidates' and they will kill popes, cardinals, presidents,
kings, and kaisers, to maintain Jesuit power. They are utterly ruthless-just
like they said they would be in the Protocols: 'We are merciless.'

Martin: As you look around the world today, who do you
see opposing them?

Phelps: It's interesting. I have a friend who makes quite
a few trips to Haiti. I told her about the Jesuits. She got to questioning a few
people, and she found that Papa Doc had expelled the Jesuits from Haiti.

Martin: No kidding?

Phelps: That's right. Isn't it interesting, his son was
also driven from power and the guy put in his place, I believe it was Aristide,
is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and a complete pawn of the Pope
and the Jesuit Order-for which reason, when those Haitians wanted to drive
Aristide from his power, this filthy, Jesuit-controlled government in Washington
put an embargo against Haiti, wrecking the country. See how the U.S.
government uses its military, political, and financial power to maintain the
temporal power of the Pope? And that's not only in Haiti; it's everywhere.
Russia is another example.

Martin: Don't you see, coming up soon in Israel, some of
these powers coming head-to-head over the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple? Don't
you see some conflicts with the powers that be?

Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?

Martin: I don't know; there seem to be so many involved.

Phelps: We first have to remember the creation of the
nation of Israel. World War I prepared the land for the people. World War II
prepared the people for the land. World War III, the battle of Armageddon, will
'prepare the people for their messiah'-with national repentance and realizing
that 'Jesus, the messiah, is the savior and will deliver them'.

The present government of Israel was set up by the High
Masonic Rothschild-controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the
Jesuit General since 1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild
powers who betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all
throughout Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same
powers who run the nation of Israel today.

I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book
Plausible Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain
criminal Jews, involved with the Nazis, who are now with the Mossad, something
along those lines. The man who wrote the article was gunned-down in front of his
home.

So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the
Israeli government through the Mossad.

Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.

We find that fact in Loftus' work The Secret War Against
The Jews in most telling, telling detail.

So what do we have? We have high-level treason and betrayal
of the Jewish race; that is there in Israel today, by their own leaders, who are
loyal to Rome and the Jesuit Order. And to show this, we have a great big
Rockefeller edifice in Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology center in Jerusalem
run by the Knights of Malta. There's nothing but Knights of Malta, high-level
Freemasonry, and the Jesuit Order running all of Israel.

So what's going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the
Rock is, that has got to be removed-somehow, someway. It's on the Temple site;
it has to be removed.

If I was the Jesuit General, I would make- somehow,
someway-American bombers do it. Because I want to create universal hatred for
this nation of the United States, because in the United States there are more
Protestants and more Jews than any country in the world, and 'we've' got to kill
all those people. So what better way than to create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical
attack against the United States, coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East.
That's what I think is going to happen.

The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because,
if they do, Rome will destroy their efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple
will never be rebuilt. It has to stay in Jewish hands-because the Jews, and
rightfully so, need their own homeland. They're entitled to the nation. And they
haven't had their own Temple of worship. They are rightfully entitled to that.

But what they don't know is that they are being used by the
Jesuits to rebuild their own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for
the Pope, so he can sit there and be the man of sin, the Anti-Christ of the
Book ofDaniel, Chapter 9. That's what I see coming for Israel.

The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away
too much. He probably wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will
never allow that. So, his bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad kills him.
And nothing more is ever heard.

Rome's-the Jesuit General's-international intelligence
community carries out all high-level assassinations, kills anybody who's against
their program. And Cromwell knew this, back in his day, and that's why he
protected himself-160 of his finest 'ironsides' as his bodyguards, and no one
got to him.

So anybody who's going to resist the Jesuit Order has to be
doing it as a matter of a 'religious' conviction-being protected by God and good
men who are loyal to Him. If it's simply political, with a hired Secret
Service, you can forget it.

Martin: Let's go back to St. Patrick's Cathedral in New
York. Why is that so significant? You talk about the American Pope. Again, that
person is?

Phelps: Cardinal O'Connor.

Martin: Now, what is his role in the United States?

Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title 'American
Pope' was gotten from Conney's work. John Conney wrote The American Pope,
I believe in 1988, so a lot of this information is from that document.

The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He is the most
powerful Cardinal in the United States. He is what's called 'the military
vicar'.

The military vicar is in command of all of the military
orders within the United States, they being the Knights of Malta and the Knights
of Columbus. He is also in command, and privately, of 'the Commission' because
Cardinal Spellman was an intimate of Joe Kennedy, and Joe Kennedy was an
intimate of Frank Costello.

We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who enabled 'Lucky'
Luciano to be released from the prison in New York, to return to Italy in 1946.
And this was because of the Luciano Project that I mentioned in my book. But
Lucky Luciano, his Mafia on the East Coast, worked in conjunction with the U.S.
Navy, supposedly to protect the Eastern seaboard from German U-boat attack.

So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky Luciano-that
filthy, wicked, evil, heartless spiritual bastard, who compelled young girls
into prostitution, probably one of the cruellest things any man could do. He is
released and sent back to Rome.

When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the Cardinal needs a
favor. After all, he's released Luciano. So now the Mafia gets to participate:
Jack Ruby, Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all the High Dons participate.
Why? Because that Cardinal in New York controls the Commission.

And that Commission, you know what it controls? All of the
trucking, all the supermarkets, it's power is beyond our wildest imagination,
second only to the Knights of Malta. And, of course, they all control the
Federal Reserve Bank.

The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank through the
Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations belongs to the
Cardinal.Spellman was not a member of it, during his day, but two
of the most powerful members were Knights of Malta: Henry Luce and J. Peter
Grace, and also William F. Buckley, to this day. William F. Buckley is indeed
one of my enemies, because I name him, and he is a powerful multi-billionaire
who participated in the Kennedy assassination, just like Iacocca, another
Knight. Both of those men are subject to Cardinal O'Connor and will do ANYTHING
he says.

Martin: Do you know who is head of the Knights of Malta,
now?

Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over when Grace
died in '93. Flynn is head of the American branch. The head of the worldwide
branch, the international Knights of Malta, is Andrew Bertie; he's an
Englishman. And you can find that in the National Catholic Reporter, when
you go after their various articles on the Knights of Malta.

Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually meet, actually
hold meetings with the Jesuits?

Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander Haigis a powerful Knight of Malta. His brother is a Jesuit.

So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of Malta, who
meet in their palace on Aventin Hill, in Rome, of course, meet with the Jesuit
General, and so on. And Count von Hoensbroech, who was a German Noble who became
a Jesuit for 14 years-he wrote a two-volume work called Fourteen Years A
Jesuit. His father was a Knight of Malta. Yes, the Jesuits work in
conjunction and have regular meetings with the Knights of Malta.

The Knights control the money. The Knights control the banks.
They control the Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England; they
control the banking. They were the ones who were behind the sinking of the
Titanic, with the creation of the White Star Line, J.P. Morgan and others.

Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?

Phelps:Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a Freemason,
because he is the leader of the Temple called the 'Federal Reserve Bank' and
they always put Jews in the forefront-so that they can blame all of what
they do on the Jewish race in this country, to create an anti-Semitism
everywhere, just like Charles Coughlin, the radio Jesuit priest of the '30s did.

Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews need to
be publicly rebuked, because they are creating the mass genocide of the Jewish
race in the United States. The Jews are being blamed right now for the foreign
policy in Bosnia. Madeline Albright-she's a Jew-they're blaming her for what's
going on in Serbia. I've got a good Serbian friend who blames her. I said she's
just a pawn of the Jesuit CFR. Don't blame the Jewish people. It's these Jewish
'pawns' who are loyal to the Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.

The Zionists-the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They
control all of the historical High Zionists-Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion,
Golda Meir. Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the Jesuits. They are the
rulers; they are the Protocols; they are the Elders of Zion. So the
Zionists are, indeed, evil and wicked; but they are controlled by Rome. The
Jews are not all Zionists.

I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in 1976, and a
lady said to this particular man that I had met: 'You're more of a Zionist than
we are!' And I thought: 'What does that mean? I don't understand that.'

I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he doesn't
hate the Jews; he can't stand the Zionists. And I'm thinking: 'What's the
difference?' I, later, learned that there is a great difference between those
Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox Jews can't stand the Zionists.

So what's the difference? The Zionists are socialist
communists, controlled by Rome. They are atheists, just like the Jesuits,
although they're being used to rebuild the nation of Israel. They are the
enemies of the Jewish people, per se.

There's no conflict going on in the Middle East. There's no
conflict going on with the Arab nations. All of the Arab nations are under the
command of Masonic kings or iotollas. Saddam Hussein is no enemy of George Bush;
they're both brothers, brothers of the lodge. That whole thing was set up to
kill off a whole bunch of Arabs for the protection of the Zionist state of
Israel.

Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business partners.
We've covered that in recent past issues of our newspaper.

Phelps: Sure. That's why they never killed Saddam. They
could have easily killed him. The CIA can kill anybody they want to. They could
have easily killed Saddam and got out. They could use their own Arab agents in
there. Saddam was a very important tool.

Martin: Still is.

Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and
nations at bay by controlling them through their leaders. Or, when they start to
get out of control in their Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a war and kill
off a whole bunch of them. Make sense?

Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about
the Jesuits controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was almost a surprising
statement to read. I would think that someone like Louis Farrakhan would be
pretty adamant.

Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let's
think a little bit here:

Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It
was Cody; I don't know who it is now. Do you think anything goes down in Chicago
without the Cardinal's approval?

Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.

Where is Louis Farrakhan's-that murderer's-mansion? Chicago.
He lives like a king.

What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols Of The
Learned Elders Of Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so
that they can hate the Jews, just like the Klu Klux Klan.

That's right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove
that the Nation of Islam is totally under Jesuit control. They are going to be
used to foment anarchy and agitation, because they have an army called 'the
fruit of Islam', and they have millions of rounds stored in all the major
cities-guns stored everywhere,so that they can start the race war. And
when that happens, you see, then the brothers in Washington can implement
Martial Law, suspend the Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they
want.

So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White
people, for their own destruction, for the destruction of the Black people
themselves. And the Nation of Islam is part of that.

When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10-15
days, about 10 years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to be
paramount, there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It's a 'hate the White
man' religion. Every White man is a White, blue-eyed Devil. And they're
playing-the Zodiac killer, back in California many years ago, all Moslems. So
it's a 'hate the White man' religion, designed to foment agitation and unrest.

Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The
only problem is, Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being used and he
separated from it. Then he ceased to be an agitator.

Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.

Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.

Martin: Yes, he was.

Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the
Jesuits, because he hated the King James Bible, he was a great agitator.
When he went to Mecca, he changed.

Martin: Yes, he did.

Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an
agitator. He stopped hating the White man. He started to set up the
African-American Movement. And as a result, he was assassinated by the high
leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.

And what do they both have in common? High-level Shriner
Freemasonry.

And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam
and the Klu Klux Klan-one agitating Blacks, and the other agitating Whites, to
the glory of the Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights Movement had the
Jesuits behind that-with LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great mover and shaker of
the Civil Rights Movements. And that agitation resulted in amalgamation,
race-mixing, the destruction of a White race and a Black race, producing a
nation of hybrids that cannot maintain free government.

That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction,
but it failed; so they succeeded in the second Reconstruction in the '60s. The
Jesuits are masters of the races. They know their strengths and their
weaknesses.

The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is
the White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun
in the other. And so they've got to take the Bible away, they've got to
take the gun away, and they've got to destroy that race. And that's what they
are essentially doing here. I know that's a racist statement, but I'm sorry,
it's just the way it is. That's history, and that's what they're doing.

Martin: The relationship between Communism and
Freemasonry. Where do the Jesuits fit into Communism and Freemasonry?

Phelps: Let's, first of all, look at the relationship of
Jesuitism to Communism. The Jesuits perfected the tenets of Communism on their
reductions in Paraguay, for 150 years, from 1600-1750.

Martin: What is a reduction?

Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would
call it a kibbutz. In Joseph Stalin's Russia they would call it a commune. In
New York they call it a village. In France, Paris, they called it a commune.
It's communal living where everybody is equal in their finances, in the
labors; you have no great, no small, no rich, no poor-everybody is small, and
everybody is poor, and everybody is controlled by a dictator. That's the
essence of Communism.

The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the
communes, had a central bank, and it was 'each according to their ability and
each according to their need'. And so, the Guarani Indians that were the
subjects-and there were some 200,000 of these South American Indian natives who
were slaves of the Jesuits, putting their goods into world commerce and trade.
They were living under the tenets of Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as
outlined in Plato's Republic and Sir Thomas Moore's Utopia. The
Jesuits perfected it on their reductions.

With that,

they then introduced Communism in 1848 through Karl Marx.
They tutored him in the British Museum, according to Alberto Rivera, an
ex-Jesuit.

So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be the one to put
forward this Communism for the world, so that Communism would look like a Jewish
brain-child, so that Communism could be blamed on the Jews. Well, what's not
told is that the Jews involved in the implementing of Communism were Masonic
Jews. Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason, a worshipper of Lucifer, whose
father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was a Baptist preacher.

Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented
Communism in Russia. Lenin, the half-Jew, was a Freemason. That civil war that
took place from 1917-1922, for 5 years, was given the appearance that it was
primarily Yiddish. I mean, they're on the streets of Russia talking Yiddish;
they had Yiddish signs; and it was wanted to give the impression to the world
that this revolution was of Jewish origin.

For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews faired very well,
but in 1922, Joseph Stalin, that great Jew-hater, who was educated by Jesuits in
Georgia-which was a country south of Russia and, therefore, the Emperor's
banning of the Jesuits from Russia, his Ukase, did not reach to Georgia.
So the Jesuits stayed in Georgia, trained Joseph Stalin, brought him in after
the Revolution, and made him Secretary of the Communist Party in 1922, until he
died in 1953.

The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of course, Stalin was also
a brother Freemason. They used Freemasonry to implement Communism in Russia, and
from there, China, and from there, throughout the world.

When Germany had their revolution after World War I, their
Communist revolution-remember, they requested an armistice-they had never been
beaten on the field of battle.

The Germans were foisted into that war; they never started
World War I. It was started by France and Russia and England, for the purpose of
destroying Germany, because Germany had expelled the Jesuits. During that war,
the Germans requested an armistice to stop this Communist revolution in Germany.

And who lead the revolution? The German Freemasons.

According to the Kaiser, in his memoirs, it was German
Freemasonry that got him off his throne and deposed him. He had to go into exile
in Holland. He wrote his memoirs in 1935.

So the relationship between Jesuitism, Communism and
Freemasonry we see evolving and expanding from the 1600s to the ultimate
achievement in the Bolshevik Revolution.

In my book, I parallel the French Revolution and the
Bolshevik Revolution, and they are identical. It was French Freemasonry that
caused the French Revolution and the Jacobins, and it was the Freemasons in
Russia, with Bolsheviks, who caused the Russian Revolution, with their
Bolsheviks, leading and ending in Joseph Stalin. In France, it ended with
Napoleon; in Russia, it ended with Stalin. And so, that's the relationship
there.

Martin: Why was Eugene Sue so significant?

Phelps: Eugene Sue wrote his masterpiece The Wandering
Jew, and in that masterpiece he weaves a fantastic story from India to
England to France, of the power of the Jesuit Order and their attempt to destroy
the Rennepont family, a French Huguenot Protestant family, and acquire a fortune
that's due to be inherited by the members of that family on a certain day, at a
certain time, in a certain year.

Well, that fortune is held, in trust, by a Jew, for which
reason the book is named The Wandering Jew. It tells of the power of the
Jesuit Order in that book, and how the Jesuits mercilessly killed all these
members of the Rennepontfamily so they could not inherit their
fortune.

The only one, I believe, they didn't kill was a priest, whose
name was Gabriel, who was a decent and a righteous Catholic priest who
repudiated the Jesuit Order. He ordered the Jew to burn all the securities, that
totalled something like $212 million, that would have rightfully been this
French family's.

So, the Jesuits didn't get it, nor did the French family get
it. It's written with such drama and feeling that you cannot put this book down.
It was translated into many different languages. As a result, the French, and
other nations, had their French Revolution, the second French Revolution of
1848. But because it was not lead by Godly men, it benefited the Jesuits.

Whenever you have a revolution led by unGodly men, it's just
like a man who's on a horse, trying to be pushed off the horse, and as he's
pushed off, another dictator takes his place. That's exactly what happened in
France, and Italy, and the nations who were involved in that second French
Revolution.

But Eugene Sue had motivated the people of France to expel
the Jesuits, and they were finally expelled in 1880 by a French Freemason, in
the 3rd Republic, Leon Gambetta. So, they're all Freemasons who resist them, but
they pay with their lives, like Garfield, like Gambetta, Roosevelt, Franklin D.
Roosevelt. Roosevelt really didn't resist them; he just was killed by them.

Martin: Again, I'm jumping around.

Phelps: Ok.

Martin: What was Operation Mongoose?

Phelps: Operation Mongoose was purely 'black ops' in the
words of Fletcher Prouty. Of course, Fletcher Prouty I
consider the authority on what Operation Mongoose was. Operation Mongoose was to
'give the appearance' of resistance to Castro's government by
attacking Cuba but, in effect, solidified his reign there. That's what it
ultimately produced. And that's what the Knights and the CIA ultimately wanted.
Ok?

The agreement that Kennedy made over the Cuban missile crisis
in 1962-first of all, there was no missile crisis. There's no such thing as
nuclear war. There's no such thing as a nuclear attack. That's all a hoax. It's
just as much a hoax as going and landing on the Moon. It's a hoax.

Nuclear war, that fear, was the basis for the Cuban missile
crisis. And out of that hoax, Kennedy strikes a secret deal with Khrushchev
that, if you keep the missiles out of Cuba, we won't bother Castro anymore.
Well, that's what the Jesuits wanted anyway. They wanted to solidify Castro in
power.

So that whole theatrical performance solidified Castro's
power in Cuba. And the question is: Why would the Jesuits create this fanatical
power in Cuba, run down the Cuban people, put them in poverty, imprison them at
random, create a living hell down there, drive out the Mafia-the Mafia could no
longer have their casinos in Havana?

Why would the Mafia give up their casinos? For the
international drug trade to be developing out of Vietnam.

Therefore, if the Mafia is leaving, and we don't have a bunch
of American tourists going down to Cuba anymore, and Cuba is really a secret
country-the Bible is not allowed there, missionaries are not allowed in,
obviously under Jesuit control, Castro was trained by Jesuits-what's the purpose
of Cuba under Castro?

It's purpose is as a landing base for foreign invasion. They
have hundreds of vehicles, underground, in underground caves there, ready for a
massive invasion to the East Coast, primarily the South. Because the last of the
Protestants in this country are in the South.

Cuba will always be under a dictator and will never go back
to freedom, because it is to be a landing base. And you know what? It could very
well be a landing base for a Jihad that the Moslems will foment against us,
because they'll come right across from Africa to Cuba, get reinforced, and then
go landing into Florida, with all their 5th-Column Cubans in Florida and Miami
right now. Sounds wild, but-.

Martin: That's a sobering thought.

Phelps: Yes, it is. Sounds wild, but I'm telling you,
all the geography is in place. However, they can't pull this all off until they
get your guns. So that's why they're constantly creating these gun issues-people
shooting people, the Columbine High School bit-to justify the confiscation of
all the guns. And when that happens, then they can do what they want to do.

Martin: There are a lot of strong Americans out there.

Phelps: The only problem is this: they're not united and
they can't be lead. Americans are leaderless because they do not follow. They
all think their opinions are equal, and they're not. I would follow General
Patton anywhere. I wouldn't question an order of his. We don't have men like
that today, for the most part, because we don't have leaders like that today.

Martin: I found your account of Patton's assassination
fascinating, also your speaking of the Jesuits' poisoning of him.

Phelps: A member of the OSS came out in the Spotlight
[newspaper] and said that. His name was Zapata, that agent. He said
he was given a contract on Patton for $10,000. He didn't kill him, but he knows
the guy who did. So, Patton was murdered, and General Vlasov was murdered, and
both of them hated the Jesuits' 'Grand Inquisitor', Joseph Stalin. They would
have united together to eradicate Russia of that dictator, but the Jesuits would
not have it because Russia is theirs. They must control the Orthodox Church to
bring it back to Rome. That's why they got rid of the Romanoffs.

Martin: Patton's take-out was ordered by 'Wild' Bill
Donovan? Did I read that?

Phelps: That's right. Wild Bill Donovan was the head of
the OSS at the time. And if you get Anthony K. Brown's The Last Hero,
it's on Wild Bill Donovan. He is in the Vatican at the end of his life, in a
picture, walking in the Vatican to receive one of the highest medals from the
Pope, for a 'lifetime' of intelligence service to the Vatican. That is in The
Last Hero and the picture is mesmerizing. I want to put it in my book.

The OSS is nothing but an arm of the CIA and the Vatican, and
that's why they took out Kennedy. They kill all the generals who don't 'play
ball'.

Martin: Let's talk about the CIA and the FBI some more.
What can you tell me about their relationship to Count von Kolvenbach?

Phelps: Well, based upon the past, if the CIA and the FBI
carried out the assassination under Spellman, and Janseens was the Jesuit
General then, the same power structure is in place. So, von Kolvenbach, through
his Knights of Malta and Jesuits, control the FBI and CIA. And his liason of
control is now Cardinal O'Connor in New York.

Martin: Some time ago, with Gunther Russbacher and
others, there was talk about a split in the CIA, of different factions. Some
even say there is a third faction in the CIA that has split off. What's your
opinion about factional divisions within the CIA?

Phelps: I think it's true. I know that Angelton was the
mole. Angelton was the one who betrayed all those CIA agents in Russia, in which
the vast majority of them were killed, when he gave all that information to that
KGB kingpin on a farm in New York, in a van, stuffed with all the highest, top
secret CIA documents. Ok?

Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA-I know his
brother, he lives nearby me-Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA and
what does he do? He fires Angelton. Bad news for Colby.

Martin: Yeah, it was.

Phelps: They filled him up with lead. Eric Timm, he was
also against Angleton; he was history. That's all told in Anthony K. Brown's
work Treason In The Blood. There's a whole little chapter on Eric Timm
and some of the other guys in the CIA who were against Angelton. They all died.
So there's a faction in the CIA that knows that something is rotten in Denmark,
and they don't quite know what it is. Hopefully, they'll read my book and see
that the CIA is just an arm of the Jesuit Order and Knights of Malta, carrying
out the Council of Trent and the Pope's temple power, and will REVOLT, and start
to tell the truth themselves.

It's the same way in the FBI. My father lectured at the FBI
Academy. He wanted to be in the FBI, but his parents were Communists, so he was
not let in by J. Edgar Hoover. But the FBI has low-level agents who wonder just
what's going on. A lot of them didn't approve of what happened in Waco.

They need to come out and tell the truth. This whole 'house
of cards'-and that's what it is, this is not an undefeatable, invincible
monster-it's a house of cards; it plays on FEAR. If men would tell the truth,
and come out and tell what they know, and not be afraid, this whole house of
cards would crumble. That's what they need to do.

Martin: Who is Avery Dulles?

Phelps: Avery Dullesis the son of John Foster
Dulles, Secretary of State, I believe, under Eisenhower. Avery Dulles is a
Jesuit, and he was the nephew of the head of the CIA during the Kennedy
assassination, who was Allan Dulles. And Allan Dulles was a Freemason, also
called 'the gentleman spy' in the book The Gentleman Spy.

Martin: What was Angelton's role in the Kennedy
assassination?

Phelps: Angelton was the one who was to 'investigate' it
on the part of the CIA. (laughter) Angelton also, I believe, was liaison
to the Warren Commission-no, that was Dulles. But Angeltonand
Dulles were working together on that, because Angeltonwas the
Chief of Counter-Intelligence and he manned the Vatican Desk, and he manned the
Israeli Desk.

See how they're maintaining the Zionists in power, with the
Israeli Desk? So, they saved Israel's hide in the '73 war, because Kissinger
almost lost it for them. Alexander Haiggave them, the Israelis,
those anti-tank missiles, and got them in their hands before the Egyptians got
into Israel and disabled them. That was Alexander Haig, Knight of Malta, for
which reason he was also the Supreme Allied Commander for NATO, promoted over
260 of his peers.

Martin: Do you know anything about Haig's statement 'I'm
in charge now!' Do you remember that?

Phelps: Yeah, I do. I don't know all of the implications,
but I'm sure it fits in with him being, in fact, in charge in the Nixon White
House.

Martin: Ok, I want to go back to the Kennedy
assassination, and I'm going to just mention some names: Clay Shaw, Jim
Garrison, J. Peter Grace, Henry Luce, E. Howard Hunt, John McCone. Why are they
so important to this story?

Phelps: Give me one and we'll start with one.

Martin: Let's start with Clay Shaw.

Phelps: Clay Shaw was a Knight of Malta. He was the head
of the international trade mart in New Orleans. Roman Catholic, homosexual,
multi-millionaire, lived lavishly, etc. Clay Shaw was the personal friend of
David Ferry. David Ferry was a CIA agent, and was also a pilot for Carlos
Marchello-the CIA and the Mafia together. Clay Shaw also was a friend of Lee
Oswald, and Garrison proves it.

Here we have Clay Shaw, who was in the CIA. It was admitted
by Richard Helms that Clay Shaw was a 'contract agent' for the CIA, and the
highest security involved in the Kennedy assassination, because he gets an
attorney for Dean Andrews who's subpoenaed by Garrison. So, if Clay Shaw is
involved, he's a Knight of Malta, he's high CIA, and he can't go down.

That's why the court was packed. The judge was biased against
Garrison. The defense of Shaw was unlike any before. There was a guy behind,
whispering to the defense attorney. That's not allowed in a courtroom defense.

Shaw HAD to be found innocent, because if he was found
guilty, now the CIA is going down. Now we're going to have a revolution. So,
Clay Shaw had to be found not guilty.

But it wasn't many years after that, he died under suspicious
conditions and never had an autopsy. He died of lung cancer. But he's part of
the brotherhood, and the Jesuits are very powerful in New Orleans.

Martin: John McCone.

Phelps: John McCone was a very powerful industrialist,
and one who was part of the military-industrial complex, before he became the
head of the CIA. He later went on to become part of, I believe, ITT.

John McCone was another Knight of Malta, head of the CIA, and
participated in the Kennedy assassination by virtue of him being its head. And
he's Knight of Malta.

Angelton is a Knight of Malta. Henry Luce is a Knight of
Malta. William F. Buckley is a Knight of Malta. And William F. Buckley then ran
the National Review-and what does he do? He blames Oswald as the lone
assassin.

Where was the picture concocted, for Oswald, as though his
head is put on this body that's not his? It was concocted, probably, I believe,
in the Time-Life Building, when they did that, because Time-Life
has a whole bunch of CIA agents in it. And, remember, Time-Life is right
across the street from St. Patrick's Cathedral, where Cardinal Spellman was
ruling from.

So, Spellman was overseeing the whole thing, with Henry Luce.
And, if you get Luce And His Empire, there is a picture in there of
Cardinal Spellman, Luce, Grace, Clare Boothe Luce, and Dean Rusk, on the 1963,
4-year anniversary of Time magazine in the Waldorf Astoria, only months
before the Kennedy assassination. And there's Dean Rusk, the architect of the
Vietnam War, according to the words of his own son.

Ok, who's the other one? Howard Hunt. Howard Hunt is a CIA
agent, of course.

He said he was never in Dallas the day of the assassination,
but Mark Lane proved that he was. Thank God for Mark Lane. Here's another Jew
getting in the way of the Vatican. Just like Daniel Ellsberg-here's another Jew
getting in the way of the Vatican's Vietnam War.

You see Jews who are getting in the way of the Vatican, and
the Jesuits are furious about it. So here's Mark Lane; he's openly defeated
William F. Buckley in court before; now he proves that Howard Hunt is a CIA
agent, in Dallas the day of the assassination.

The jury came forward with that verdict, and who is Howard
Hunt? Howard Hunt is a personal friend of Henry Luce, a correspondent for
Time-Life. He's a personal friend of William F. Buckley. He goes to one of
Buckley's parties at the New York Yacht Club. He knows them both. He knows two
of the High Knights.

And guess what? Guess what Howard Hunt is called? He's called
'Knight'. (laughter)

I wonder what he was-Knight of Columbus, or whatever. But
he's involved with the brotherhood.

So he was there on the day of the assassination, intimate
with Luce and Buckley. Just as the chart says on my web page. And by the way,
your readers need to look at my
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/web page.

Martin: I'm going to mention a few more names.

Phelps: Oh, J. Peter Grace we forgot. J. Peter Grace
was the head of the Knights of Malta in 1963. He is the head of W. R. Grace, and
he's one of the largest shipping tycoons in the world, in control of all the
shipping in South America. Grace is a powerful man, or was a powerful man.

Martin: Has anyone filled his shoes?

Phelps: Yes, Flynn is head of the Knights of Malta now,
down in Florida where there new office is. They moved from New York to Florida,
I think BoccaRaton. They have 11 Knights of Malta on the W. R.
Grace board.

And, of course, guess who owns Taco Bell? W. R. Grace.

So now we see W. R. Grace involved in the poisoning of
America with fast-food chains, so everybody gets heart disease, clogged
arteries, so they can go to bypass surgery and further enrich the medical
profession, while carrying out their medical inquisition. Isn't that clear? So
not only are they going to kill all of the American people, but they're going to
make billions doing it.

Martin: I'm sure they're laughing all the way to the
bank.

Phelps: They sure are. And where Grace did his banking,
W. R. Grace, they did their banking at Chemical Bank in New York. Guess who runs
Chemical Bank? Knights of Malta.

Martin: Jim Garrison was a very brave guy.

Phelps: Yes, he was. He lost his marriage. He lost his
children. He suffered greatly through this, doing what he did.

Martin:Ok, I want to talk about the movie JFK.
You mention the Jesuits, in control of Time-Warner, produced Oliver
Stone's movie JFK. What was the reason for this? To just further
cement, subliminally in the minds of the American people, their absolute power?

Phelps: I think that might be part of it. But, I think
it's a test. It's a test: tell the American people the truth to see what they
will do about it. And they did nothing.

And that was the end of Garrison, or Kevin Costner's speech,
in the courtroom, when he said 'It's up to you.' And he looks directly into the
camera. So, he's looking at us.

That was a call to do something about it. It's a test. What
will we do? And you know what was done? Nothing. The men in power, the men in
the know, the men who could have said something, did nothing. So that was the
purpose of the movie.

Meanwhile, they interweave all these Jesuit subliminals all
throughout the movie: 'Black is white, white is black'-when Garrison is at the
restaurant, talking to his people-that's Ignatius Loyola. David Ferry shows
pictures of his Catholic uniform there, and Satan pictures in his apartment, all
very much Jesuitism.

There were a couple of other things I noticed that I can't
quite remember. Oh, they had a subliminal 'study the past.' It goes on there,
it's on a building or something, 'study the past.' And they said: 'It's like
Caesar; he's not in the loop.' Well, Caesar was murdered by those close to him.
And the ones who murdered Caesar were the priests of Rome. There's all kinds of
subliminals in that movie which point to the power of the Jesuit Order, all
over. The assassination-right after they take his body out of Parkland Hospital,
they've got the cross on it, the crucifix. That is a very unique, Jesuit
crucifix.

When I was at a Jesuit retreat in Redding one day, I just
wanted to walk through the place. I wanted to see where these sinners rule from,
so I thought I would walk through the place and check out the rooms. It just so
happened that the Jesuits were on the second floor, by themselves. So I went to
the first floor and the third floor, and looked into the rooms. They were
little, tiny rooms, and on every bed is a crucifix with a crucified person on
it. It's not the Jesus Christ of the Bible; it's their Jesus Christ. And
that's the same exact crucifix that was put on the coffin, in the movie, when
they're shipping the coffin out.

And get a load of this: the guy who came to give Kennedy the
Last Rites, Oscar Hubert, his superior was the Bishop of Dallas, by the name of
Thomas Gorman. Bishop Thomas Gorman was a Knight of Malta, answerable directly
to Cardinal Spellman.

Martin: Let's talk about Cardinal Spellman. Who was he?
Why was he so important? You say, in the book, he really was the man behind it.

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Why do you say that?

Phelps: Cardinal Spellman was, first, very much involved
in politics all of his life. Remember, he was trained by the Jesuits at Fordham.
He was trained by Jesuits at the American College in Rome. When he came back
here, he was taken care of by Nicholas Brady and his wife, multi-billionaires in
control of Union Carbide, and various banks, multi-multi-billionaires.

Spellman was part of getting FDR into office, although I
believe Cardinal Hayes was the Cardinal. Guess who FDR names as his
international agent, during World War II? Francis Spellman. Francis Spellman was
throughout the war-front during World War II, going to and from the Vatican, the
Allied Army, etc. And, with that, he built a huge network of contacts. He, also,
of course, had contacts with the mob.

So, by the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have
Cardinal Spellman here, who helped the Nazis get into the United States, with
the FBI.

I met one of those Nazis about 6 months ago. I call him Pete.
He showed me his Nazi SS overcoat, which is a beautiful overcoat-I'd love to
have it. And it was the FBI who brought all of these High Nazis in and resettled
them, and gave them money to settle.

Who did that? Francis Spellman, by helping those criminals
escape the theater of Europe so that they could not be prosecuted. It's called
the 'Vatican Ratline' that Loftus writes about in his Unholy Trinity.

So, Spellman is involved in getting the SS out, helping the
Ustashis. Spellman is involved in this whole second 30 Years War of the Vatican
in Europe, outlined by Edmond Paris in his Vatican Against Europe.

And so, he is in a perfect place to carry out the
assassination. He has contacts with the Knights of Malta in England, with the
Knights he controls in America; he has his Jesuit contacts who trained him at
Fordham and Rome; he was a personal friend of Pius XII during the war.

He was a personal friend of the secret cold-warrior, Montini,
Pius VI. So he is the perfect man, with all of the connections, to carry it out.
He has contacts with the CIA, the Knights from the CIA, the Knights from the
FBI, in the person of Carthe DeLouthe, who still lives. He had contacts with
high-level Freemasonry, with people like J. Edgar Hoover and their raving
against Communism, Communism, Communism-international, Godless, Jew Communism.

He and Hoover are bosom, probably bed, partners. And so,
Spellman is in a place to be in control of the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and
through Freemasonry, the Dallas Police Department-like they control every major
city's P.D. And so he carries it out.

And then he's also in control of the press, in control of
Time and Life, with Henry Luce, so the press never gets it. He's in
control of CBS, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was the head of CBS at
the time.

So you think Walter Cronkiteis going to tell
us the truth? No way. He's in control of
CBS, NBC, ABC. They have stocks in it, for heaven's sake. So, there's no way
the story's getting out. And he's in control of the CIA to hit and kill anybody
who wants to come out and tell the truth, which is why there's over a hundred
dead witnesses over the last 30 years.

That's why they took out Fensterwald, in 1992, outlined in
the book by that CIA agent First Hand Knowledge, by Morrow.He was a CIA agent. He was in on the Kennedy assassination. He completely
outlines it in his book, and he tells of that relationship of the CIA to killing
Fensterwald. He dedicates his book to Fensterwald.

So, how's it getting out? This is only getting out by
fearless preachers, who preach the Word of God, and aren't afraid of telling the
truth politically, trusting God that He will move and do His part, now that
we've done our part.

Phelps: Jesuit tools. All 33rd-Degree Freemasons. And
remember, the Council of the 33rd Degree is located in Washington. They control
all of the Shriners in this country. Washington is controlled by the Jesuits
from Georgetown.

The capital of the United States is at Georgetown University,
not the White House.

And if you go into the president's office at Georgetown, you
will see a picture of Bill Clinton, kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy [past
president of Georgetown], while the present president, Donovan, who is on
the Walt Disney Board, is standing behind him.

I wanted that picture; I wanted a copy of that picture. Those
people threw me out of that office. They would not let me have a copy of it. I
sent another person, a lady, up there. They would not give it to her. I want
that picture, for my book, of Bill Clinton kneeling at the grave of these
Jesuits. Can't get it. But if you go in the president's office, it's there.

Georgetown is the capital. They control all Freemasonry. In
fact, if you go to Maryland, they've got the great big lodge across from a great
big Jesuit institution, in Baltimore-a great huge Shriner Lodge is across the
street from a Jesuit University. And they're enemies?

Martin: I want to talk about Bill Clinton in a minute,
but before we get to him, who is Cartha DeLoach?

Phelps: Cartha DeLoach-his sir name was Deke. He was the
3rd-in-command of the FBI at the time of the Kennedy assassination. Cartha
DeLoach was the real head of the FBI. Hoover was a wimp. His queer buddy, Tolson,
who was nothing, was second in command.

So Hoover and Tolson were just figure-heads. The real head of
the FBI was Cartha DeLoach, the Knight of Malta, Roman Catholic, subject to
Cardinal Spellman.

Cartha DeLoach fabricated evidence, covered-up evidence in
the FBI, in the Kennedy assassination. That was proven by Jim Garrison. Cartha
DeLoach went on to retire. He went on to work for a huge industry corporation
called PepsiCo, which the Knights of Malta control, and which have ranches in
Communist China, which they set up. And he still lives.

Cartha DeLoach wrote a book called Hoover's FBI. You
can get it at the bookstores. In that book he tells about the Secret Service,
the FBI, and the Jesuits.

Martin: Why do you refer to the Kennedy assassination as
the 'Achilles' Heel' of the Jesuits?

Phelps:Because, if it's ever known that the Jesuits
killed our first Roman Catholic President, if the Roman Catholics of
Northeastern America ever find that out, and ever believe it, the Jesuits are
finished here.

This country is the keystone to implementing the temporal
power of the Pope around the world. If this country would expel the Jesuits,
and we get back our national sovereignty, and we started to be self-governing
once again, we would have our liberty, and the Jesuits would be out, and we
would begin to experience REAL financial prosperity, and real living.

So, if that is known that the Jesuits are the ones behind it,
that Rome carried this out, the Catholics of the Northeast would have a
revolution. We would have another revolution because American Roman Catholics
are not like Catholics in any other country: they think. They have their own
opinion. They believe in freedom of conscience. They believe they have the right
to express themselves.

Catholics in Poland don't believe that. Catholics in Italy
wouldn't dare believe that. But the Catholics here do. They have a lot of
Protestant principles. They don't really comprehend this whole idea of
universal, world-wide temporal power of the Pope. They think it's just a
religion.

But, if those Catholics in New York, if those two million
Roman Catholics knew that Spellman was behind it, and O'Connor has covered it
up, we'd have a revolution! Because it's the Roman Catholics, unfortunately, who
only do anything about things. The Protestants don't do anything. They're all a
bunch of wimps, a bunch of cowards. They don't do anything.

It's the Roman Catholics who apparently have built our major
cities. They built our skyscrapers. They're the great steel workers. They're the
ones, apparently, with the guts enough to bring about a change. The only problem
is, they're unGodly because they don't know the Lord. They don't read the
Bible. They don't know Christ. They're not born-again. If they would get
born-again, and come to know Christ, with their determination and their
resistance to tyranny, we'd have another Reformation. And a lot of people's
heads would be going on trial, and to the block, for treason.

Martin: I'm going to go back, now. How did the
Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, authored, according to you, by the
Jesuits, further the Jesuit Agenda?

Phelps: Ok. To answer that, we probably ought to look at
the different Protocols. Now, to my mind, I believe there's 20 or 30
Protocols; I can't quite remember. But the Protocols further the
agenda of the Jesuit Order in that Russia would be taken and, in the fall of
Russia, in the Bolshevik Revolution, two major things would happen: The Romanoff
dynasty would be removed. Now, of course, the Czar was not killed at
Ekaterinburg;we know that from the book The File On The Czar.
We know that his daughter died in the state of Virginia [not very long ago].
We know his son, Alexi,became a member of the KGB, later came to
New York, and he put out what was called The White Paper. The Royal
Family was not killed, because they were Knights of Malta.

So, the Knights of Malta took the Royal Family out, faked
their death, and then after they had taken the Romanoffs out, the Orthodox
Church no longer had a protector, because Church and State are one in Russia.

Now the Jesuits were free, with their Bolsheviks, to kill-off
the Orthodox leadership that was anti-Rome. That's why they killed 5,000 priests
and nuns, during the revolution, of the Orthodox Church. They just beheaded all
the anti-Catholic, anti-Pope leadership of the Orthodox Church.

They got rid of the Romanoffs, and then the next thing they
did, they began to purge Russia of its Protestants, in general. They purged it
of its Lutherans; they burned down the Lutheran Church; imprisoned the Baptists;
sent them off to Siberia. They even destroyed two Jewish communities during the
'20s, which we're not told.

The Jews fared well for 10 years, until the purges of Stalin
in the '30s. But the Jesuits accomplished the killing-off, the getting rid of
the Romanoff dynasty and their protectorate of the Orthodox Church, the
beheading of the Orothodox Church, so they could bring Orthodox Moscow back to
Rome. And remember, Moscow is considered the 'Third Rome'. The first is Rome;
the second is Constantinople; the third is Moscow. And you can find this, you
can find the Jesuit alliance with the Bolsheviks in a book called Descent
Into Darkness by a priest named Zatko, who taught at Notre Dame University
in the '60s.

And so the Jesuits were given formal re-entry into Russia in
1922, after the Bolshevik Revolution and Civil War, and from then on-the Russian
College was erected in Rome in 1929, so they could prepare Russian Jesuits to
rule Russia. And that's what they've done, and they've ruled through the KGB,
just like they rule this country through the CIA and the FBI.

The Protocols outline this. Remember, the Protocols
were discovered in Russia, and translated by an Englishman, Marsden. But what it
also did-because then they set-up the huge gulag system, the huge concentration
camp system, that gave the Jesuits practice to do this in Europe.

But their great accomplishment was, in the process of pulling
all of this off, they blamed it on the Jews, and in so doing, justified in the
eyes of the European people the annihilation of the Jewish race in
Europe-because it's the Jews who did this in Russia! The Jews killed all the
Christians in Russia! The Jews sent them off to Siberia! After all, wasn't
Trotsky a Jew? Wasn't Lenin a Jew? It's all the Jews! So, they fell for the
bait.

So they blamed it all on the Jews, purged Europe of its Jews,
so Europe is primarily Roman Catholic now. It's a Roman Catholic block, and it
will be the army of the Anti-Christ, with its European Union.

The Jews, then, were forced out of the nations to Israel. And
remember, during World War II, when the Jews tried to escape and they were
desperate to get out of Germany, do you think Jew-controlled Russia would let
the Jews in? If the Jews really controlled Russia, they could have gone right
into Russia. They were not allowed. Stalin would not allow any Jews to go into
Russia. Churchill would not allow any Jews to go into England. And that
criminal, FDR, would not allow any Jews to come into America. They were not
allowed to escape.

They were either to be killed or funneled down through
Israel, to be killed by the Mufti, that was working with the SS, Eichmann.
Loftusis right. There is a secret war against the Jews, and all of the
intelligence communities are waging it.

And the Jews don't perceive it because their Rabbis, the
majority of their Rabbis, are traitors. I talked to a Rabbi in Lancaster County
and I told him to look out for the Jesuit Order. He says 'Oh, they're some of my
best friends!' Well, that explains it. The Rabbis betray their own people at the
hand of these inquisitors. And that's what they did in World War II, and they're
going to do it here.

Martin: Let's talk about Garfield and McKinley. Why were
they assassinated?

Phelps: I think Garfield was assassinated on a
monetary issue; he was resisting the banking plans of the Jesuits. He was a
radical, red Republican, too, you know, so they got rid of their own. I'm not
familiar with all of the details. All I know is Burke McCarty in the book The
Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Lincoln named McKinley and
Garfield as other victims of the Jesuit Order. And had the Lincoln assassination
been solved, that would never have happened. The other important issue is that
Garfield was a Freemason. So, they assassinate their own Freemasons, when they
want to.

Martin: Going back to Lincoln, who was John Surratt?

Phelps: John Surratt was the young man, 20 years old, who
called time outside of Ford's Theater. He was mastermind of the assassination.
John Surratt was helped by the priests of Washington to escape Washington, went
up into Canada, was taken care of and housed by the priests, by the Bishop of
Montreal, and then he was ferried across the ocean in The Peruvian, in a steamer
called ThePeruvian, and he went to, I believe, Ireland, then into
England, then he went to Rome, to the Pope's Vatican there. He joined the Zouavearmy,and he was stationed in Alexandria, Egypt, until he
was found and arrested.

In 1867, he was brought back and stood trial in Washington.
There a woman was involved in the picking of the jury, and a High Roman Catholic
was put on it. And because it's no murder to kill a heretic, the jury was hung
in the first trial and Surratt went free. And he was also free in the second
trial, because there were two trials. He died in 1914, I believe, at the age of
72, and they gave him, of course, a very, very, pompous funeral, a High Requiem
Mass that are usually only given for priests and nuns. Evidently, he deserved
it.

Of course, John WilkesBooth, he was never
killed. Corbett never killed Booth in the barn. Booth escaped Washington with a
password, according to Finis Bates' work The Escape And Suicide Of John
Wilkes Booth. He escaped to Kansas, and on his death bed confessed to his
physician that he was John Wilkes Booth who shot Lincoln. And he escaped with
the help of a Masonic password. So just like there was a patsy for the Lincoln
assassination, there was a patsy for the Kennedy assassination.

Martin:Why is April 15th so significant?

Phelps: (laughter) Well, April 15 was the
day that Lincoln called out troops on the South. It was the day that Lincoln
died. He was shot on the 14th and died on the 15th. It's the day that the
Titanic was sunk. And it's the day all the 14thAmendment
citizens of this empire, like the good serfs that they are, go to confession
once a year and confess to the government with their tax returns. Beware
the Ides of April. (laughter)

Martin: Let's talk about the Cold War. Why did that come
about?

Phelps: We had the end of World War II. We had the
purging of the Jews and the Protestants, for the most part. The British Empire
was destroyed, it's wrecked, which was essentially the empire that the Gospel
went to China with. Modern missions were founded on the British Empire.

So, that Protestant Empire, even though it was controlled by
Rome, was done. We have America in huge financial debt, out of isolationism. We
have a Russia that's taken over by the Jesuits, through Joseph Stalin. Of
course, the great beneficiary of World War II was Russia-Russia was the only
country that won. But the Jesuits are not finished with their purgings and their
installings of dictators loyal to the Pope, around the world. I mean, they
pretty much have South America. They pretty much have Africa. But they don't
have the East, and the Orthodox nations, and the Buddhist nations.

So, the purpose of the Cold War was to kill millions of these
heretic, orthodox Buddhists, and to install in their country dictators that will
carry out the Inquisition, who are loyal to the Pope.

One of those dictators was Joseph Stalin. And he was given
the nuclear device in 1943 by the U.S. government, by the U.S. army. And you can
find that in The Unseen Hand by Ralph Epperson. He did a lot of good
documentation.

So, they gave him the bomb. I shouldn't call it 'the bomb'
because they gave him the nuclear device so that he could detonate it and create
the illusion that Russia now has nuclear capability, when a wheel-barrow was a
great invention in Russia.

I mean, the Russian soldiers, when they went into Germany and
they found toilets, they were dipping their bread in the toilets and eating
their bread out of toilets. In Russia they were just savages. They didn't have
technology; they had nothing. All the technology they ever got was given by
Vatican-controlled Western corporations, whose inventors were Protestants.

So, the Cold War has to continue under Stalin. And we have to
divide up the world into two factions, so we're going to put Roman Catholic NATO
on one side, and we're going to put Communist-controlled Warsaw Pact on the
other.

But in the process of so doing, they put Protestant East
Germany under Communism to purge the Protestants of East Germany out of the
country. That's why they sent them to Siberia. They put Protestant-Lutheran
Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia under Communism, so they deported them all to
Siberia. They put the Mennonites of Russia further under Communism, deporting
them to Siberia. They deported the Baptists of Russia to Siberia, because they
could only do-wimpy, gimpy, powerless, Russian army that it was-we could easily
have beat it into the ground, if it had not been financed and supported and
built by Henry Ford and Western corporations.

So, wimpy, gimpy Russia has this nuclear device, right? And
oh, if we decide to go to war with Russia, well, we might get bombed! There's
mutual, assured destruction. So to keep that from happening, we won't fight 'em,
and we'll let them purge the world of all its Protestants. That's the purpose of
the Cold War.

The Cold War then went into China, and the U.S. 7th Fleet,
according to the Birch Society, and they're right about this, blocked Chiang
Kai-Shek from being able to go into China and take over the country. So, Mao
Se-Dung could get in control, get in power, and then carry out his inquisition
against the land owners, against the Buddhists, against all the Protestant
missionaries who were in China-just like the good Jesuit pawn that he was.

And, of course, the intimidation idea was that you can't go
to China-why, there's millions of people there! Meanwhile, the Japanese whipped
the Chinese to death in their war with China, when the Japanese went in. The
Chinese had no technology. They had no organized army. They were easy to beat.

But the idea we were sold was: Oh no-China is a great,
powerful nation, and now they even have the bomb! Stalin gave them a bomb, so we
can't fight them anymore. So we won't do anything to them, while they're
murdering 50 million people. And remember the 'baby-boomers' of the United
States, we would have fought the world. We would have rid the world of tyranny,
had we had leadership that would have led us to that. But we had this farce,
called the nuclear, mutual assured destruction. We had this farce called the
dropping of the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Whatever it was, it wasn't
dropping nuclear bombs-and Edwin Corley does a pretty good job in his The
Jesus Factor, in trying to tell you what else it was.

And so, we have this nonsense Cold War, which enables Rome to
put up all their dictators, their Communist dictators, all of them loyal to the
Pope-including Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh had a secret deal with Pope John XXIII,
and he was under the advice of a Roman Catholic Bishop all throughout the war.

The purpose of the Cold War was to carry out the Council of
Trent, and to tie the hands of the American Protestants; and it was also used to
unite the Protestants and Catholics of America against Communism. Protestants
and Catholics should unite on nothing. We are different. The Catholics have a
final authority-that's the Pope. The Baptists and Protestants should have a
final authority-that's the Bible. We don't unite on anything. We don't
agree on anything. We don't agree on America's national purpose, so we don't
unite. We're not uniting with abortion; we're not uniting with Communism; we
don't unite against the Black or the Civil Rights Movement.

You see, all these things were used to unite Catholics and
Protestants together here, so that, ultimately, Rome would be in control of all
the Protestant denominations through the National Council of Churches and the
Royal Council of Churches. And that's what they got. They took Princeton; they
took Dartmouth College. All the great Protestant Universities are now in the
hands of the Masons and the Jesuits. Harvard has a Jesuit House. They're
controlled. And so, wherever they control education, they control the politics.
And they control the education in China, Russia, all the Communist countries.
Now that they have all of the dictators installed all throughout the world, they
don't need the Cold War anymore. So now they can proceed with their next agenda,
and that's the unification of Europe, the building up of Russia, and the
destruction of the Western Empire. And that's their next agenda.

Martin: How do you see that unfolding?

Phelps: What's that?

Martin: The destruction of the Western Empire.

Phelps: As far as the actions of overthrowing the
government and having a tyranny, is that what you mean?

Martin: Right. What do you see life like here in the next
5 or 10 years?

Phelps: It's hard to put a date on it; it's hard to put a
year on it. But I would say it's going to continually become more and more a
matter of 'central power' in Washington. You're going to have less and less
power in the Congress. And one of these days, the Congress is going to be
closed. And all we're going to have is a Commander-in-Chief. We're going to have
some form of absolutism, with the President becoming now a dictator.

Martin: Do you think George Bush, Jr. will be that
person?

Phelps: He could be. I won't say he will be, but he could
be. It will be someone like him-with complete allegiance to Rome, just like his
father. His grandfather helped set up the CFR. His uncle is a Knight of Malta.
It will be someone like him.

And he WILL be the next President. They've already chosen him
in the College of Cardinals. Everything else is a show. Jesuit-trained Buchanan
is a show. Roman Catholic McCain is a show. The Black Roman Catholic Keyes is a
show, although he tickles me. He advocates abolition of the 14th Amendment.
If that happens, what are the Black people going to do? They're not citizens;
they have no rights! Dred Scott comes into play. He's a fake.

So, what I see is more and more centralization of power in
the hands of the President. The Supreme Court is just a rubber stamp. He becomes
the king. The courts are nothing more than the courts of the king's bench. The
Federal Reserve Bank will remain in power. Everything will be monitored and
controlled by Washington, unless some of God's men start trusting God and get
in control of the state and cause it to secede. The only answer to this is state
secession,leaving this Union-it's not a Union, it's an Empire-leaving
the Empire that began in 1868, assuming national sovereignty, once again.
And the first state that would do this, I'm moving there. Because I don't want
to see the FBI anymore. I don't want to see the CIA. I don't want to see any of
these national bureaucracies anymore.

Martin: Montana seems close. Arizona seems close.

Phelps: Well, when they do it, I'll move there. But
that's what would happen if things continue as they are. We'll have race war.
We're going to have the Moslems fighting the Klu Klux Klan. Whites siding with
the Whites; the Blacks siding with the Blacks. It's going to be a blood-bath
everywhere. And that will justify Martial Law, and the military, and the whole
nine yards, and also foreign occupation; we're going to have that too. And you
know how foreigners are in a foreign country. They rape the women. They couldn't
care less about the social strata of the country. They have no mercy on the
people. They have a foreign tongue. And that's what they'll do. And that's all
the more reason for a state to secede.

I've advocated that Pennsylvania should secede for the last
15 years. We have our own deep-water ports; we have our own agriculture; we have
our own heavy industry; we have coal; we have everything we need to be a
sovereign nation. We don't need this Empire anymore. The only problem is,
Pennsylvania is COMPLETELY controlled by the Jesuits.

Every major city is under their control. And so, the place is
slated for destruction-all the Mennonite and Amish counties of Southeastern
Pennsylvania. Everything else is Catholic: Pittsburgh, Scranton, Philadelphia,
Harrisburg-all Roman Catholic. The Roman Catholic people, too, will also be
sacrificed. They will be killed too. Let them not think that they're going to be
delivered because the Jesuits run the show. According to the Jesuit Molina,
in the tape I just sent you, it is lawful to kill-and they will kill as many
Roman Catholics as necessary to bring this plan to fruition.

Martin: Define the Jesuit term: Universal Absolutism.

Phelps:Define it? That means worldwide, universal,
over every nation, absolute power. Absolutism is their great doctrine, that
absolute power resides in the hands of the General. He is limited by no
constitution. He is limited by no law.

This is the Great Doctrine of Divine Right, the Divine Right
of Kings that was so fought against by the Calvinists. We Bible-believing
Calvinists believe in the Rule of Law. The Law is king. Rutherford's 'Lex Rex'.
The Jesuits believe the king is the law-Louis XIV: 'I am the law'. So, it's
going to be a universal, world-wide king who, himself, is the law. All authority
will be in him, as he rules the world from Jerusalem, as the Beast.

Martin: Are we talking about the present Pope, or are we
talking about Count von Kolvenbach?

Phelps: I'm saying that what's in position now will
ultimately bring in the future Pope, whoever he is, and whatever it may be, as a
Universal Absolutist-the Universal Monarch of the World, in Jerusalem.

Martin: Symbolic? Or you're saying literal?

Phelps: I'm saying that will literally happen. There will
be a Pope, who will be killed; he will receive a mortal wound. And this is going
to happen in the 70th week of Daniel. He will receive a mortal wound,
according to Revelation 13.

This is the Beast, and he will come back to life. He comes
back to life, mid-trip, at the very time that Satan and his angels are cast out
of Heaven by Michael and his angels. At this time, Satan goes and he indwells
the Beast, this Pope. Now he comes back to life, just like Christ. He was dead;
now he's resurrected.

And what is he going to do? He's going to destroy the
Catholic Church. He's going to destroy the Vatican; and he's going to go down in
Jerusalem and demand to be worshipped as God, for three and a half years.

That's why the Vatican is indestructible. No one can destroy
the Vatican. All the armies in the world couldn't destroy it. It has been
determined that it will be destroyed by the Anti-Christ. And he, alone, can do
it.

That's why, when the Yugoslavians wanted to mount an air
attack against the Vatican in World War II, a bunch of clouds came over the
airport and they couldn't take off, because they were going to bomb the Vatican.
The world will not allow that to happen. The Vatican will only be destroyed by
the man of sin, the Beast, the coming Universal Monarch, the ex-Universal Pope.

The Vatican has the most extensive library in the world, the
most priceless and extensive library. It goes for miles, underground, in the
Vatican.

Martin: Wouldn't you love to go in there.

Phelps: I would love to. Talk about finding sunken
treasure.

Martin: We've almost covered it. I almost don't want to
dilute this conversation with the FDA and AMA. Let's talk about them just
briefly.

Phelps: Ok. World War II, produced of course by Rome,
caused the Nazi experiments on the people in the concentration camps-the Jews,
the Gypsies, the Socialists, primarily the Jews. But they experimented with
things like fluoride. They experimented with things like EDTA chelation,
which is THE treatment of choice for anybody with heart disease. They
experimented with poisons. They experimented with surgeries. They experimented
with all kinds of things on these people. They also experimented with
vaccinations and immunizations.

There's a book called The Nazi Doctors. Everything
that was learned by them was integrated into the American Medical Association,
after the war. That's why we all have our municipal water supplies
fluoridated. That's why they're all chlorinated, because chlorine decreases
oxygen, and therefore causes cancer, because cancer grows in an anaerobic
state-it's a virus, converting cells into mutants that are anaerobic.

Ok. All of Europe is using ozone to clean their water
supplies. Here they use chlorine. They want us with cancer. And how do we
get cancer? With the vaccinations and immunizations, where they inject us with
live viruses, like the hepatitis vaccine-every one of them has the HIV virus,
SV-40.

What they're doing is what they learned in Nazi Germany. They
implemented here and they continue their research in the CIA. There's a two-tape
set called The CIA And The Virus Makers which show how the CIA helped to
create the HIV virus and various other viruses. They get into Robert Gallo, the
world's foremost virologist.

Robert Gallo is a Jesuit. He's a Roman Catholic, Italian, the
world's foremost virologist-and yet not controlled by the Brotherhood, by the
Company? Ridiculous. He's under their control! He's doing all the research, and
he doesn't want to be blamed for it-as the WONDERFUL Jew, Len Horowitz, proved.
Again, we've got Jews getting in the way-Jews blowing their cover.

Martin: I've interviewed Len many times. He's a very
courageous guy.

Phelps: Great guy. And he's right on target. And he hits
the Knights of Malta in his book Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola. He was a
great encouragement to me when I saw him do that, when I read his book.

So, hey, let's just take it the whole way. Let's just go
right to the Jesuit Order. And what the Jesuits did with the Cold War, with
their Inquisition in the East, they carry out with their war on the American
people in the West, with their Medical Inquisition-cut, burn, and drug. And
that's what it is.

Personally, I have my own home where I use ozone oxygen. I
use ultraviolet blood irradiation. I can show you how ultraviolet blood
irradiation incapacitates Lupus. It destroys Hepatitis. It destroys Meningitis.
It destroys HIV.

This is a very simple procedure; I do it every day. It can
easily be done by any medical doctor, and they won't do it. Because, when you
kill off the virus, you don't have the diseases. You are thwarting what they
wanted to do with their vaccinations and immunizations.

That's why they want to make a law. That's why that filthy
Ted Kennedy, that Knight of Columbus, wants all these vaccinations and
immunizations-when it should be a religious tenet of everyone: 'It's against
my religious convictions to put foreign pathogens into my bloodstream. It's
going to make me sick by the time I'm 40. It's going to give me plaque build-up
and heart-disease. I'm not going to do it.'

In the meantime, they're suppressing all the things that
reverse it: soft lasers, hyperbaric chambers, ultraviolet blood irradiation,
oxygen ozone, north-pole magnetic therapy. All the things working together that
would easily reverse it, they suppress, and consider it a crime. Make sense?

Martin: Rife technology.

Phelps: When I was in the office of my friend, William,
in Maryland, he told me that he had a guy from NSA [National Security Agency]
come in and talk to him about his blood irradiation, and told him: 'I think that
it would be wise for you to stop this.'

Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in Maryland is an
ex-Navy Seal. He's no pushover. So he says to the NSA guy: 'Well, why do you say
that?'

And the NSA guy said: 'You know how Royal Rife died? We put
poison on his tooth-brush.'

This guy was from NSA. So, that was a threat. Well, now, some
people get scared, and some people get upset, angry. William is one of those guy
who gets upset and angry, and it furthers him that much harder.

So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood
Irradiation Foundation died, about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no
autopsy. So they almost destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process
of securing capital-and he will, I'm sure, very shortly, and it's going to be
untouchable. The machines will be put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the
blood, and we're going to kill-off all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we're
going to teach the medical doctors how to do it. We'll provide the machines for
them. And we're going to end this tyranny. And we'll also educate them-no more
vaccinations and immunizations.

There are only two things I'm a member of in this country:
one is the national anti-vaccine society, and the other is Gun Owner's of
America. Those are the only two organizations that are really worth supporting.
If you get the vaccinations away from the people, they're not going to be sick.
And if you maintain guns in the hands of the people, they can still use them
against the tyrants. And if they go to church and read the Bible, they'll
have all the spiritual zest and zeal to do it.

Martin:We haven't even talked about Nikola Tesla
in this conversation.

Phelps: Yeah. He was deliberately thwarted by the FBI, all
his papers stolen in 1943. J.P. Morgan destroyed him. J.P. Morgan was one of the
kingpins in the Titanic sinking.

Nikola Tesla was a wonderful man. He came here for freedom.
He was a Serbian Orthodox-a curse to Rome. The father of A.C. current. He
developed a whole system of Universal Power, that we would need no coal or any
of that. So, one of my other goals is to perfect the electromagnetic motor. When
my book gets out, then I will be working with some men in perfecting
electromagnetic motors, and they will be out, without a patent, privately.

Martin: We're just about there. Let's talk about Bill
Clinton. How do you see Bill Clinton in relationship to the Jesuits? And how do
you see Al Gore? What can our readers glean from what you're saying about their
power base?

Phelps: Well, we must remember: where did Bill Clinton
come from? How did he become Governor? His father was a powerful political
figure, because his mother was nothing. So, he came from nothing to being
something, through some powerful political figure, probably the Kennedys.

It's rumored that John Kennedy was his father; could be. In
any event, Clinton was trained by the Jesuits of Georgetown. He was the class
president of his junior year, I believe. His senior year, he was not re-elected
because the student body said he was 'too close to the Jesuit faculty'.

So, he was groomed by the Jesuits to be a powerful political
leader. He was put in place in Arkansas, runs that scam there, while he's
Governor, in the drug trade, belonging to Rome, working with Reagan in the drug
trade, and Bush. Then he's made President.

Remember the picture of him at Georgetown, kneeling at the
grave of Timothy Healy? That says it all. He is the complete and total pawn of
the Jesuit Order ruling from Georgetown University. He does anything they want
him to do. He hasn't resisted a thing.

That's why he's untouchable. He can commit any crime. He can
do any act of evil, and never be prosecuted, because they'll call on traitors
like Arlen Spector to vindicate him. And, of course, Arlen Spector was Spelly's
Jew in the Kennedy assassination-evil, wicked, lifetime Senator from
Pennsylvania, which shows me that there are no elections anymore. Nobody voted
for Arlen Spector who I know. He's a gun-grabber. So, they made him a life-time
Senator. They made Teddy Kennedy a lifetime Senator.

Bill Clinton is completely at their beck and call. He will
get out of office. He will live happily ever after, unless he starts talking. If
he starts talking, he's done. He is NOT a Baptist. He is loyal to the Jesuit
Order.

Martin: Ok, let's talk about God and His Agenda.

Phelps: As I understand the Bible, I believe we
are in what's called the Dispensation of Grace. I'm a dispensationalist. Now,
there are those who say that dispensationalism was a brain-child of the Jesuits.
Could be, could be Jesuits were involved with that. But I believe the Bible
teaches this, because God deals with men in different ways, at different times.

He commands Abraham to sacrifice a lamb, but not me.
We don't do that now. He commands Noah to build an ark. We don't do that now. He
commands Moses to receive the Law of Sinai. We're not under the Law; it's for
the Nation of Israel. He commanded his son toannounce that the Davidic
kingdom was ready to be established on Earth-repent, for the Kingdom is at hand.
The Kingdom, promised to David, is about to be established, and that's why they
called him Son of David.

And now we live in the Dispensation of Grace, called the
present Evil Age, of Galations, Chapter 1:4, and the Dispensation of
Grace of Ephesians, Chapter 3. During this particular period of time,
this stewardship, the Gospel says that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins
of our world; he was buried and rose again.

And God commands all men, everywhere, to repent and believe
on His name that they might be saved. But there is no other name under Heaven
whereby we must be saved, save the name of Jesus. During this time, this good
news of forgiveness of sin and free pardon, and we can be with the Lord for
eternity, is going to every nation, Jews and Gentile. And during this
Dispensation of Grace, Jews and Gentiles are regarded as one, in the body of
Christ, when they're saved.

Now, according to Romans, Chapter 11, there is what is
called the 'fullness of the Gentiles'. There is a fullness that is a
predetermined amount of people who are going to be saved. We call them 'the
elect'. We call ourselves the elect of the Lord.

Now when that elect, that predetermined number, is saved,
then God will begin to deal with the nations and Israel, once again. And that
will begin, according to Daniel, Chapter 9, when the Prince shall come,
shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. That is the 70th week of
Daniel. The first 69 weeks have been fulfilled, from the decree, to
rebuilding Jerusalem, to Messiah the Prince, the day Christ declared himself the
Messiah of Israel, was 69 weeks of years. After that the Messiah would be
cut-off, and Jerusalem would be destroyed. That is the gap between the 69th and
the 70th week. The temple is not destroyed; the city is not destroyed; the
Messiah is not cut-off, during the 69th or the 70th week. There's a gap between
those two weeks, and that gap has gone to nearly 2,000 years. In the year 2032,
it will be 2,000 years. Because Christ was crucified in 32 A.D.

Ok, during this dispensation, God is saving Jews and Gentiles
out of all nations and placing them in the body of Christ, by the power of His
Holy Spirit, as the Gospels preached. When the predetermined number comes to
fruition, then the Lord will take out his Bible-believing church, and
everybody else is left to go through what is called 'the time of Jacob's
trouble', in the Book of Jeremiah, or the Great Day of the Lord-the
7-year tribulation, talked about in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 4-19.

That 7-year tribulation will be when the Lord begins to judge
this world for its rejection of the Messiah, and for their sins, having not been
taken care of, not having been saved; although there will be many people saved
during this time.

The Jews will be tremendously persecuted. The vast majority
of them will be murdered, and there will be a remnant who will repent at the end
of the Tribulation, at which time the Messiah will come and they will look upon
him, whom they pierced, and weep because they will realize that the one who is
going to save them from all these Gentile armies pouring into Israel, is the
very one they crucified.

When the Lord Jesus destroys all the Gentile armies, he will
then set up the Davidic Kingdom that he came to set up-the born-again nation of
Israel.

Can a nation be born in a day? Isaiah, Chapter 66-they
will be born-again, they will inherit all the promises, and Christ will sit down
in the Kingdom with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, just like he talked about,
and he will eat the fruit of vine again. Because he said: 'I will not eat this
henceforth, til ye say, 'Blessed is he that come in the name of the Lord' until
I eat it anew with you in the Kingdom.' Then he will drink wine; he will eat the
fruit of the vine; he will break bread; and he will be Messiah, King of the
World at that time, ruling the world from Jerusalem.

So, what we have coming is more unbelief, more persecution,
less faith, less manhood, less guts, and we have more persecution from the
Jesuit Order, more monetary control. We have another scenario of the World
Government, under the Pope from Jerusalem, and that's what the Jesuits want.
And, ultimately, God in His providence, has allowed for 42 months for that to
happen: 1260 days.

So that's what I see coming. But what I believe is, I don't
believe that the doctrine of the coming Anti-Christ should be used as
fatalism-that we should: 'Well, that's coming, so we can't do anything about it.
The bastards are coming to take us out.'

That's an excuse to cowardice. We need to do our duty. We
need to resist evil in ourselves and around us, and as long as we have breath.
And part of resisting that evil is resisting the Jesuit Order. It's resisting
anti-Christian tyranny. It's resisting absolutism. It's resisting criminals who
are in your government.

We have a civil responsibility, and that's to make sure
government punishes evil and rewards good. And when it doesn't punish evil
anymore, it's no government. We don't know allegiance to it anymore. We withdraw
our allegiance, and we assume our own sovereign power.

And that's exactly what the Covenanters did with Scotland
when they withdrew their allegiance from, what was it, King James II, or Charles
II; they withdrew their allegiance and the English settled there and,
ultimately, many of those Covenanterswere killed. But in the glorious
Revolution of 1688, they got theirliberty.

Another thing is, all these men-they want to win right now.
They want to do something and experience the win. We have no guarantee of that.
Why not just say the way it is, resist the tyranny, and if we get killed in the
process, then praise God-I mean, isn't Heaven a little better than this place?
What's the big fear? All these men do not know the Lord, as far as trusting Him
in the midst of a storm. They're full of fear; they're full of terror; and
they're all afraid to die.

So, hopefully, with the true preaching of the Gospel-and
ultimately there will be some preachers who will arise who will encourage us to
do right and not fear death, and to resist these powers of evil-hopefully that
will begin to change and there will be men who will call for secession, and
states will begin to leave this Union, like Chechnya, and these others, and then
the Lord will intervene for us.

If we honor Him, He'll honor us. If we fight for His causes,
He'll bless us. And we need to stop looking at the odds. We've always been
outnumbered. We've always been outgunned. And that's the way God likes it,
because then, when we win, obviously He did it.

So that's what I see for the future, and I see there's a
great vacuum right now that needs to be filled. And it can be filled with the
men of God telling the truth, or it can be filled with Jesuits advocating
everybody give-up, lay down their guns, and submit to this New World Order,
under the Pope.

The question is: What are YOU, dear reader, going to do?

Editor's note: Eric Jon Phelps' book Vatican Assassins
will likely be available through Wisdom Books & Press (see Back Page) after
August 1. We will provide specific information about cost, etc., in an upcoming
issue of The SPECTRUM when it is closer to the date of availability.

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