Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on criminals's fear, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.

It wasn't garbage,you just got caught up in the hype of a mediocre story and are feeling let down.

Not true. I wasn't caught up in the hype, and I think it was crap as well :P

IGN just gave it a 10/10,man they must really love Snyder lol.Still I think this issue was not garbage simply cause nothing outright shitty happened(Alfred or Damian dying,Alfred being Joker etc).

IGN's reviews have steadily gotten more ridiculous over the past few years. Everything is either 9+ or less than 2.

Nothing too bad happened, but it was a terrible story. The writing was hackneyed and cliched, even for Snyder, it was the same thing again and again. It felt like he'd just watched Batman Beyond; Return of the Joker, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the World's Finest episode of Superman: the Animated Series. Then the final "lesson" was the same one Bruce walked away with after RoBW. Just utter crap. So while nothing too awful happened, it doesn't change the fact this issue was a pile of generic garbage.

It wasn't garbage,you just got caught up in the hype of a mediocre story and are feeling let down.

Not true. I wasn't caught up in the hype, and I think it was crap as well :P

IGN just gave it a 10/10,man they must really love Snyder lol.Still I think this issue was not garbage simply cause nothing outright shitty happened(Alfred or Damian dying,Alfred being Joker etc).

IGN's reviews have steadily gotten more ridiculous over the past few years. Everything is either 9+ or less than 2.

Nothing too bad happened, but it was a terrible story. The writing was hackneyed and cliched, even for Snyder, it was the same thing again and again. It felt like he'd just watched Batman Beyond; Return of the Joker, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the World's Finest episode of Superman: the Animated Series. Then the final "lesson" was the same one Bruce walked away with after RoBW. Just utter crap. So while nothing too awful happened, it doesn't change the fact this issue was a pile of generic garbage.

It wasn't garbage,you just got caught up in the hype of a mediocre story and are feeling let down.

Not true. I wasn't caught up in the hype, and I think it was crap as well :P

IGN just gave it a 10/10,man they must really love Snyder lol.Still I think this issue was not garbage simply cause nothing outright shitty happened(Alfred or Damian dying,Alfred being Joker etc).

IGN's reviews have steadily gotten more ridiculous over the past few years. Everything is either 9+ or less than 2.

Nothing too bad happened, but it was a terrible story. The writing was hackneyed and cliched, even for Snyder, it was the same thing again and again. It felt like he'd just watched Batman Beyond; Return of the Joker, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the World's Finest episode of Superman: the Animated Series. Then the final "lesson" was the same one Bruce walked away with after RoBW. Just utter crap. So while nothing too awful happened, it doesn't change the fact this issue was a pile of generic garbage.

I thought the whole batman doesn't kill joker was more forced. Almost felt like a dragged out family guy joke.

Agreed.

It got to a point where it just became hilarious. And, I hate to be the one who goes there, everything said could have been used to subtextually say they're incredibly attracted to one another and just want to have sex.

It wasn't garbage,you just got caught up in the hype of a mediocre story and are feeling let down.

Not true. I wasn't caught up in the hype, and I think it was crap as well :P

IGN just gave it a 10/10,man they must really love Snyder lol.Still I think this issue was not garbage simply cause nothing outright shitty happened(Alfred or Damian dying,Alfred being Joker etc).

IGN's reviews have steadily gotten more ridiculous over the past few years. Everything is either 9+ or less than 2.

Nothing too bad happened, but it was a terrible story. The writing was hackneyed and cliched, even for Snyder, it was the same thing again and again. It felt like he'd just watched Batman Beyond; Return of the Joker, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the World's Finest episode of Superman: the Animated Series. Then the final "lesson" was the same one Bruce walked away with after RoBW. Just utter crap. So while nothing too awful happened, it doesn't change the fact this issue was a pile of generic garbage.

I thought the whole batman doesn't kill joker was more forced. Almost felt like a dragged out family guy joke.

Agreed.

It got to a point where it just became hilarious. And, I hate to be the one who goes there, everything said could have been used to subtextually say they're incredibly attracted to one another and just want to have sex.

I got that impression back in Batman#15,Snyder could have been subtle about it but it was just blatant and in your face.

I thought the whole batman doesn't kill joker was more forced. Almost felt like a dragged out family guy joke.

Agreed.

It got to a point where it just became hilarious. And, I hate to be the one who goes there, everything said could have been used to subtextually say they're incredibly attracted to one another and just want to have sex.

I got that impression back in Batman#15,Snyder could have been subtle about it but it was just blatant and in your face.

It was something Miller in Returns, and Morrison in Arkham Asylum, introduced. Joker referred to Bats as "Darling" because of their symbiotic relationship, whereas in Arkham, Joker pinched Batman's backside and a few other things like that, because he knew it would make Batman uncomfortable and angry.

Snyder just decided to rip that off and shove it up its own a**. Like he's done with everything in his run.

In the end, the group's faith and trust in Bruce was shaken, once again making him a more isolated person...exactly what the Joker wanted, to remove Batman's support mechanism.

Every story isn't about shattering the earth, some are personal.

Why exactly was their trust shaken again? the book was empty and Bruce proved that Joker never cared for his secret in the first place.Making Bruce more isolated will not accomplish anything in the long run,it's one of those things that writers feed moronic fans whose idea of Batman is completely different from what the character really is.

I loved it myself but I guess most of the hate comes from those riding the hype train at full speed or had high expectations. Me personally I loved the pacing and the dialogue, wasn't a fan of the story in general mainly because of how the scuffle with Joker ended but I did find the pacing of this issue to be great, the twist in the dinner tray being but a joke was my favorite part. After Bruce unwrapped Damian from his bandages I was like "wait a minute" but then I was like "wait a minute" (see Community Season 4 October 19th promo for the reference). I actually loved that twist for the twist mind you.

I think Snyder is really good at setting up stories, but the climax just sputters out like Night of the Owls, Rotworld to an extent, this. But I also think this is a problem in the industry as a whole. Everyone knows how to set up a great story, but few can execute a story the whole way through.

I think Snyder is really good at setting up stories, but the climax just sputters out like Night of the Owls, Rotworld to an extent, this. But I also think this is a problem in the industry as a whole. Everyone knows how to set up a great story, but few can execute a story the whole way through.

So I haven't read this issue cause I am waiting to legally buy it, however I do want to say that good story telling is very important. I am able to guess that no one dies and I am glad for that, because in my mind that is a cheap gimmick.

And I agree with you that it's a problem in most comic stories that the main setup is AWESOME, but the ending is meh, but that is also cause when your hands are tied its hard to make solid endings with such dramatic stakes. My two key examples I want to point to are the two graphic novels Justice, and JLA: Earth 2. Justice is probably one of my all time favorite concepts, but the ending was weak. In fact I don't even remember how it ends anymore, but the set up and the actual conflict of the story was amazing. Same with Morrison's Earth 2, the ending was just so convenient and I didn't feel much weight to it.

Don't get me wrong there are some stories out there that are amazing from start to finish and leave you at awe the whole time (prime example am thinking of is Killing Joke). You have some great stories from start to finish with some weird parts to it like Tower of Babel. And sadly more often than not there are a lot of stories that are "iconic" that just plain suck like Death in the Family (Joker...in Ethiopia...), No Man's Land (I mean to this day I still don't get why Gotham was declared as No Man's Land, Dark Knight Rises had a much more compelling reason), and Batman RIP (the story was not coherent to most people, and that makes for bad story telling in my opinion).

I do think people need to remove themselves from hype and enjoy the story for what it is because I am sure it will go down as being one of the most iconic Joker stories, and it probably changes the status quo just not in the violent way people seem to be hoping.

I actually liked the issue. Of course it wasn't fantastic or great bur it wasn't that bad. The title said death of the family not particularly one of them as we all tought it was it was the breaking the ties between them.So in the end all of them lives but the family dies.with said that I would love to see some of them (not damian or jason of course) dieor at least hurt big time

I actually liked the issue. Of course it wasn't fantastic or great bur it wasn't that bad. The title said death of the family not particularly one of them as we all tought it was it was the breaking the ties between them.So in the end all of them lives but the family dies.with said that I would love to see some of them (not damian or jason of course) dieor at least hurt big time

I think it was all the asspulls this issue handed out that stopped me from enjoying it. My balls were blue.

I actually liked the issue. Of course it wasn't fantastic or great bur it wasn't that bad. The title said death of the family not particularly one of them as we all tought it was it was the breaking the ties between them.So in the end all of them lives but the family dies.with said that I would love to see some of them (not damian or jason of course) dieor at least hurt big time

I think it was all the asspulls this issue handed out that stopped me from enjoying it. My balls were blue.

I actually liked the issue. Of course it wasn't fantastic or great bur it wasn't that bad. The title said death of the family not particularly one of them as we all tought it was it was the breaking the ties between them.So in the end all of them lives but the family dies.with said that I would love to see some of them (not damian or jason of course) dieor at least hurt big time

I think it was all the asspulls this issue handed out that stopped me from enjoying it. My balls were blue.

Were you on the /co/ thread where it was leaked? I swear I saw someone there use that exact same picture (the one in your av.)