Yup. Better than guessing blind, worse than observable fact. Ken Lay testified to Congress there was no market manipulation at Enron too, along with a dozen other bits I can recall where someone intentionally lied and others simply were wrong. Doesnt make it so... but it is useful to me to be reminded that the CEO of Ford was astute enough to be worried about it even as he worked on an alternative strategy to being chained to the US government. hmmm, and can GM ever get untangled from the web its in, how will that affect F's future completion? A profitable conversation, thanks