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February 24th, 2014

When Joe fantasizes about what the Bucs should get from their No. 7 overall draft pick in 2014, Joe can’t help but note that the Bucs better do a heck of a lot better than they did with the No. 7 pick in 2012, safety Mark Barron.

Yes, Barron has shown his talents on the field. But he hasn’t resembled a consistent standout player, the type of performer every last Bucs fan is expecting with this year’s No. 7 overall pick.

Joe can’t imagine any Bucs fan sits at home hoping Khalil Mack, Jake Matthews or, say, Johnny Football or Jadeveon Clowney, has their first two Buccaneer seasons in the NFL look like those of Barron.

No, Barron can’t be called a bust yet, but this is a pivotal season for him. When a player is picked that high, he has to deliver quickly.

Barron is one of the biggest X-factors for the Bucs in 2014. If Lovie Smith can get Barron to fulfill his massive potential, then the Bucs could approach having a truly elite status, assuming they find a stout edge rusher.

Regardless, Barron is a reminder of the unpredictability of the NFL Draft. It’s no guarantee of a quick fix, even with the No. 7 overall pick.

The player we should have taken at #7 in 2012 is All World in the Carolinas!!! It was a bad pick from the beginning!!! I hope Lovie can get something out of Barron, because potential does not help us win!!!

Kuechly is good no doubt but largely overrated. Maybe the Bucs should have traded farther down and grabbed Desmond Trufant or Stephon Gilmore. Or grabbed Kenny Vacarro atmt safety. This was before the Bucs had Goldson or Revis.

i feel for who drafts Clowney (it will be the same thing)….and I hope its Atlanta and we trade back and pick up Lewan. We’d never have to double team him….maybe even decide he’s so gassed we can put a TE on him, just make sure the TE doesnt blow the assignment….smh.

Barron was the correct pick. Before any of you jump in the “Rock Star” train.

Team leader on Alabama. Best strong safety on the board when Ronde just announced his retirement. Suited for a “joker” sort of role where he is used against the run, covering tight ends, blitzing, covering the slot. He can be placed all over the damn field and make an impact where the Bucs may be lacking. I think it is crazy that people do not think Barron isnt an asset, he just hasnt put up stats like most of you look for, and hasnt had a defensive guru that can get the most out of him. He is just fine, we are lacking elsewhere on the field.

You’re right. Its been two years later, and I still have no idea why we picked a SAFETY with the 7th overall pick. Could use this opportunity to bash our former beloved regime, but I think I’ll take the high road this time. I think with a coach like Lovie though, he will be able to get the best out of Barron. Here’s to hoping we pick a position with a little bit more importance this time around.

Smh, this kids has insane closing speed. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential yet. Also Luv how he raises his level of play in prime time games. The Seattle game comes to memory when he was all over the field making plays. Great Pick!

Not a worry in my mind for Mark Barron. Last season he played much faster and showed the elite athleticism that got him drafted that high. Lovie will most likely simplify Barron’s roll so he can play faster and more instinctively as a safety should.

Here’s an idea…. don’t draft anyone from Alabama in the first rounds. Ever. Problem Solved. Although the other option for that pick was Morris Claiborne so all things considered we did pretty good. Mack, Barr, Watkins, Ealy, Ebron, even Donald all make sense at 7.

Barron will be fine mad max I love how you are thinking get the h**L out at number 7 Draft a LT which ever one is on the board at say 10 through 13 grab Cook from OSU at the top of the second round and then one of the Big Guards or the Tackle from Clemson and convert him to Guard move Penn to right to battle Dotson that will improve the team by leaps and bounds right there!

Picking 7th is about as low as you go. Anything from 7 on up to 1 is going to be a great pick. If someone take both tackles then it will be even better. I’m not worried about this draft at all. I more worried that we don’t have a 3rd round pick to use for possibly moving up when needed.

I call BS on anyone who says safety is not a vital position. Seattle has two crucial elements on their defense, both playing at Pro Bowl levels and at the position of safety. Number of passes over 20 yards? League best 30. Over 40 yards? Freaking 3 plays. Tell me that does not make a difference.

And Barron does more than play the deep ball. Deep ball is not even the best facet of his game. He is essentially another linebacker (who I’d take over Kuechly) and will be making splashes all over the damn field. Just watch.

if your referring to me, then dont mind me, Im just being a jerk off. I’m still waiting for Barron to be like those 2 Prow Bowl safeties in Seattle though. If he does, then no doubt it was the right move.

Given the chance with some proper direction, let’s see if the guy pans out. Good coaches maximize the talent they are given. Barron showed some good things last year with a mediocre coaching staff. Now that he actually will be working with people who have actually been successful, we will have a better metric as to whether he was worth the pick or not.

Who is to say that Luke would play like he has for us? Does anyone for one min think the D that schiano was running that to many ppl could play great no. So let get off Barron and see how he play under a proven NFL coach not some scrub we had before.

How quickly we forget when Mark Barron was drafted. Words from the Guru we hear everyday at the NFL combine. Words most of us respect. Maybe Barron gets a real coach for the first time!

“ “Boy, is this a solid pick. I love this kid because his floor and ceiling are the same thing. His ceiling is to be a Pro Bowl safety; his floor is to be a Pro Bowl safety. That’s how good this young man is. This is going to be a good football team next year.”
-Mike Mayock, former NFL safety and current NFL Network analyst

Most of you commenters must listen to football on the radio. Bunch of couch scouts that have no idea what a good player looks like. Barron is a hell of a player and will be fine. He has played well in the garbage system that we had. He was the Best guy on the board at the time. Plus David is leaps and bounds better than Luke. Maybe some of you need to actual watch the games before offering up your stupid a$$ opinions. I guess next you will say the glennon deserves to be anointed the starter. Smh. Joe should ban some of you from visiting his site. Lames! Lol. GO BUCS

I don’t know about the rest of you but it could be argued that Barron has been a better safety than Goldson….when Barron is off the field….we miss him dearly. And…Barron is a lot cheaper. It could be argued in hindsight that we could have picked someone better, but that is the case with many of our draft picks (pre-Schiano).
The last two years have been solid.
There will be many players at 7 that will fill needs for us. I expect we will make a good decision.

I’m confused by your last post. Last I heard from Lovie and Tedford both said they liked many things about Glennon and he will get his chance. But unlike Schiano, it will not be given to him without competition. Where am I misinformed?

I didn’t apply for membership in the MGM as it’s affectionately called, but I’m hoping that Mike Glennon succeeds because I want the Bucs to win. If he’s not the best man for the job, then I’m pulling for the guy that gets the job.

Franchise QBs or SuperBowl winning game managers are not easy to find so we should not be eliminating candidates before they had their chance and at the same time we should be constantly looking for that guy if the ones we have is not the one!

Keuchly sucks. When little ass Doug Martin is running you over then you have problems. He’s soft and gets beat more times than not. On the flip side Barron has never gotten ran over and lays big hits instead of receives them. Keuchly is barely a top 30 LB in the entire league. Most overrated player in the entire league

The Joes are so schizo with their nonsense, especially with their whining for bust Mo Claiborne that year. Behold, a few months ago, dateline December 12th, 2013:

“Well, that pick is looking solid right now. Entering Sunday’s game against the 49ers, Mark Barron is the lone defensive back in the NFL with at least 80 tackles, two sacks and two interceptions.

“Sounds like Barron has arrived, no? It is pretty obvious Barron may be a solid safety when it comes to defending the run. The guy just races through bodies to stick people (but not too hard for fear of the dreaded yellow hankie). While Barron is really good against the run, if he could improve his pass defense just a little bit, he could be one of the best safeties in the game.”

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=103139
That’s very nice, except your comprehension is lacking. Did you even read the current post. Joe did not contradict himself at all. “Solid” is not good enough for the 7th overall pick and Joe is writing about the scope of that draft position and fans’ current expectations for it. Please stop wasting time and energy on insulting Joe. —Joe

I believe Mark Barron is on his way to being one of the top safeties in the game. If you look at Seattle’s defense who were the straws that stirred the drink? Earl Thomas and Cam Chancellor. Enough said.

While we’re at it, let’s go ahead and do a hindsight on every draft pick in the last three years by the Bucs so we can wax and wane about what could have been. I mean if we’re going to do this for Barron why stop there?

Macabee…I’m not talking about Lovie and Tedford. I’m talking about the many posters on JBF that are so quick to write Glennon off. If someone mentions the coaching staff as part of the problem, it’s called an excuse by many of them.

Here we go with the “we could of had Kuechly” crowd. This crap is so old. Give me the trio of Barron, Martin, and David (who were all basically made possible by the trade down) over one of Luke Kuechly, Just because Barron isn’t the flashiest Safety in the league doesn’t mean he isn’t good, beause he is. We take Kuechly we don’t have David…

I would put money down if I could but I bet that the Bucs will not be picking at #7. They will either trade up (depending on free agent signings) or they trade down for more picks. I say trade up and get a franchise QB if they feel one cant fall to them. Next year the QB depth is low and we can’t wait for three years for a chance at a QB then. It is now or never. The Buccaneers have NEVER had a true franchise QB let alone one to get a 2nd contract. #SECsucksbutdraftMcCarron

Mark Barron is a Great Pick period. He’s nowhere close to being a bust! Hope to one day mention his name in the same sentence as Lynch, Cotney, Brown, and Jackson. As the Best Safeties to ever play for the organization.

Joe will probably do a piece about this tomorrow but apparently the bucs have shown “strong interest” in Josh McCown, per Ian Rapoport. Ive been banging the drum for McCown so I hope it happens. 13 touchdowns and only 1 interception in 5 games last season? I’ll take that. Also another bit a news that will get Joe all perky, the bucs have interviewed Manziel.

There is the list of almost all of the safeties who have played with us since 2008. Heck ever since John Lynch went to Denver the Bay area has been searching for someone (anyone) to fill those shoes.

Barron is the best Safety on that board outside of a non stoned Tanard Jackson and is one of the better safeties we’ve had since J. Lynch. There is a very good reason why we picked a potential player like him and i still root for him. I have a feeling he is a late bloomer and is on the verge of a break out season.

In the present nfl there are a couple of positions that have little value, safety, interior offensive linemen, and fullback. The former “rock star” gm decided to invest heavily in these positions, except fb.

We have a good linebacker in David already. Sure Luke racks up a bunch of tackles good for him…but Barron racks up a ton of tackles also..at Strong Safety. You can’t have All pro players at every position.

Thankfully these other idiot bugs fans are not in charge of the draft. Because I can remember all of you idiots in 2012 begging to draft either, Trent Richardson, Mo Claiborne, and even Justin blackmon

I find it funny that some fans look at a player and thing that everyone fits in any system. Have you guys seen the Panthers Dline??? They basically have one on the best in the league. You put Luke behind the crap the Bucs had, and Barron went the the Panthers. We would be saying the same thing.

Luke would get engulfed on every running play. His Dline blows up offenses, since it basically has 3 pro bowl type players on there compared to the Bucs which only has one. You would see the same fans on here saying “man we could of had Mark Barron” while he is playing SS in the Panthers defense, and received the same accolades as Luke.

When it was our turn to pick that year I wanted Luke K but I think we did very good cause Barron is not a bust and people will see that this year. Then to get Lavonte David (who I think is better then Luke K) really helped our D out.

Sorry, I can’t find anything to get upset about with Barron or the first two rounds of that draft. Barron is on his way to becoming a great player, and we STOLE the better LB of the two (for us). I’m excited to see what Lovie does with him. He’ll be a top safety this season. Mark that down like when I said Freeman was just okay at the beginning of 2012 and got bashed for.

Yes scheme matters a great deal when evaluating players.
But not when they are repeatedly beaten in 1 on one coverage.
That’s not a scheme issue. The marching order is” cover the TE”
When you repeatedly can’t do that, against guys that are slower than you, it’s a skill level issue.

Good thing is, I’m sure Smith/Frazier will sort it out. We have one player who can run support, cover TEs, and bring the Pain.
His name is Goldson- not Barron.
We need a free safety. Not two strong safeties. One of which has sub par coverage skills.