If anyone monitors their webserver we will be. Especially with all the 404's coming from here. Yes, I'm guilty of clicking. I needed something to just royally piss me off this morning. Should I just read the thread again or will it make me laugh more than it makes me growl?

i am a conservitive and proud of it...our conservitive presidents and our belifes is poor show so if you can't act decently then just go to France were you have to deal with your "no one is bad" ideals and I am dead against same sex "marriges"(trow up at the thought) and abortion (i don't know why you people will spit on soldiers and call them 'baby-killers' and at the same time promote abortion) and America has one langauge and it's called ENGLISH

And what's your native language, pig latin? You should try using a spell checker. It's this kind of asshole that makes me ashamed to be an American. This is the reason I have to live in a country led by an idiot. When you have idiots like this voting, the result is inevitable. My only hope is that Massachusetts (my home state) secedes and joins Canada.

_________________Ed LaBonte

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No . this is completely unaccepted. I have been without my BLAG for way too long. My BLAG is not deletable. Hey! It's not!!!! I keep it safe.. I keep it mine... You can't have it. You will not take away what is mine. If it takes actually getting out of this damned seat and coming down there, someone's going to have to pay.. PAY!!! I will not tolerate it!!! This smacks of disfunction!!! My OS...not yours...mine...MINE!!!!

And if you've got a problem with "liberals," then take a look at the history of the U.S. Liberals wrecked the slave system, and also brought women the vote.

Are you, "guest," against those actions?

It's probably not a good idea to use terms like "liberal" and "conservative" when talking about the anti-slavery movement in the US. Liberalism as it was used back then referred to economic decentralization originally promoted by Jefferson and embraced by the slave states because it protected the "rights" of slave holders (Jefferson was himself a slave holder). The anti-slavery party was the Republican Party, formed in 1854 around the issue of slavery. The Republicans might be called 'progressive' in the sense that industrial capitalism can be said to represent progress over slavery, but they certainly weren't progressive or liberal in the sense that we mean those terms today. The only political group at the time which supported government backed social welfare programs was the socialists who were then, as they are now in the U.S. a marginal political force.

The Republicans were quite a diverse group. They included "radical" Republicans who were abolitionists, usually based on moral or religious grounds. Industrial capitalists who were anti-slavery because their economic interests were in direct conflict with the economic interests of the slave holding class. And free laborers and farmers who opposed slavery because it cheapened the value of their labor in the labor market. The latter were often deeply racist and their opposition to slavery was primarily economic like the industrialists rather than moral like the abolitionists. Many free labor groups, Catholics for example were democrats and pro-slavery because they were an oppressed minority in the predominantly Protestant north and made common cause with the pro-slavery democratic party out of political expediency.

So it's kind of overly simplistic to use "liberal" and "conservative" to describe that situation.

I agree that it's simplistic. But my point stands; being that the prevailing attitude of those calling themselves conservatives now is in line with those against freeing the slaves and giving the women the vote "then."

And, again, you don't have to be a conservative to be patriotic. Liberal attitudes are generally humane attitudes, and that is what liberty is all about, and what the U.S. used to be about. Sadly, the conservatives have pretty much destroyed the American heritage of freedoms and liberty.

Patriotism is just another blinding ideal used against stupid people, like organized religion, "representative republics", racism or potatos. "My country, right or wrong" attitudes just gives me the willies.

Patriotism is just another word for hiding and lying about more lies.

_________________"Control over the use of one's ideas really constitutes control over other people's lives; and it is usually used to make their lives more difficult."
Richard Stallman

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