Everytime, I have found something I do not like about it. Whether it be taste, dosing, ingredients or price I just can't find ONE and STICK TO IT!

One thing I do not like is how alot of the blends contain Glycocymine. I've read that this is not a compound that should be ingested on a regular basis. Whether or not that's accurate I don't know for sure, but I'm not going to risk it.

My next one I try is going to be AI Chaos, as it seems to be dosed nicely and is a great flavor: lemon tea.

I'm curious to see what everybody uses, if anything, for a pre-workout product. creatine/pump/amino blend. I'd like to hear some discussion on what's the best stuff to have in it, because theres so many products out there...

Aminos
I can see we're getting costly here, but a small matrix of aminos would be very helpful.
L-Leucine
L-Valine
L-Isoleucine
L- Lysine
Glutamine/Taurine/Arginine

To top it off, 10g complex carb. If a product covered all of these bases I think I would pay a good amount of money for it, because it would replace 3-4 different products I use now to get it all.

From my research, it would seem that combining an Amino Acid Complex such as Xtend or Excell, which has the main aminos, vitamin B-6 for energy and cirtulline for pumps, combined with a product that had a stimulant, good matrix of creatine and antioxidants would be our best bet.

I would say try Kryptonite but its rather pricey. Other than that all ive had is NO-xplode which was good. Yellow swarms are also good, and ive also tried hyperdrive 3.0 which was fabulous. I just never got around to ordering more.

For the record, I just saw your multipronged approach. I believe kryptonite has something, or many things from each category, but it definitely does NOT have caffeine. Just a pointer.

I decided to go with Ultimate Nutrition's HorsePower product. After reading all day, the price, serving amount and flavor (lemon lime) hooked me. It also had some good logs/reviews over at BB.com. There were a few things I did not like about it, it contained Glycocyamine, Kre-Alk, and had no stimulants, but it does have some anti-oxidants, a slew of different creatines and a good pump matrix. I recommend looking into this product if your interested. I tried a few Free-samples last week and enjoyed it. Heres the matrix:

I LOVE Basic Cuts preworkout! Nothing like smiling while youíre lifting And with the cayenne pepper in it you always know just about when itís about to kick in heheh. Also its the cheapest premade stim I have ever bought.

How do you like taking AMP preworkout? I could never do that. I think I get a weird reaction to it. I tried again to take AMP and it made me tired and gave me a big headache and now 12 hours later I feel hung-over It tends to give me too much focus as well. I guess itís hit or miss with that product. Itís like thereís only 2 kinds of people when it comes to AMP, people who like and it and the ones who donít.

I love my amp, but it doesn't do what it used to, i might stack that with something else preworkout. There is a great list here, i might try a couple with my next order. Amp gets me focused, i need something to get me fukn pumpd ready for war if you will, might try that one.

Amp is a must to try, and if you keep it occasional it should give you what you need.

I will vouch for the Chaos... I am currently running it, and when I hit the gym, I have alot of energy.. I workout for two hours and I am not even ready to go home yet..I know I am working out to long, but I just have to do it... Its good stuff.. Give it a try. Good energy, good pumps, and good focus .

Ok well this is prehaps the absolute best perhaps only used for bodybuilding competions, back in my party days i tried a few Research chemicals, 5 amt seemed to cause a aderlin rush and is umm legal to have....

Um, interesting link but I really don't think that's appropriate given the board's rules. And besides, the site states that they don't ship to US or Canada which makes it useless for a huge segment of the board population.

Ok well this is prehaps the absolute best perhaps only used for bodybuilding competions, back in my party days i tried a few Research chemicals, 5 amt seemed to cause a aderlin rush and is umm legal to have....

Um, interesting link but I really don't think that's appropriate given the board's rules. And besides, the site states that they don't ship to US or Canada which makes it useless for a huge segment of the board population.

They don't send the ink cleaner to the US, they do send the research chemicals. Though i'm not quite sure if these research chemical falls under the same rules.

L-Tyrosine when taken in proper dosages can help regulate your Thryoid giving you stable enegry levels and also produces dopamine and epinephrine

Sorry if this is a bit off topic for the thread, but what dosage are you recommending? It's just that I've seen a bunch of different recomendations for Tyrosine dosing since I started looking into it, and I'm getting confused.

Sorry if this is a bit off topic for the thread, but what dosage are you recommending? It's just that I've seen a bunch of different recomendations for Tyrosine dosing since I started looking into it, and I'm getting confused.

Thanks!

Also known as beta-alanine, sufficient amounts of the essential amino acid L-tyrosine are found in the body, and are principally synthesized from L-phenylalanine.

In relation to energy, L-tyrosine is a precursor for the synthesis of epinephrine and dopamine. Like Mulletsoldier stated, it is also helps to regulate the thyroid hormones thyroxine and triiodothyronine.

L-tyrosine is commonly supplemented between 500-1500mg.

I don't think that I would consider this to be a sole source of energy however, it is definetely an added bonus to overall energy production.

I've tried a lot of pre-workout stuff I mean a lot I have samples out the wazoo from the "O" expo and the Arnold expo
I'll tell you what I got a sample of Kreation by scifit from a guy who owns a little supp. store here and it tasted pretty nasty but damn I had the best arm workout that day of my life and as soon as my tub of NO xplode is gone I'm on that stuff!!

Also known as beta-alanine, sufficient amounts of the essential amino acid L-tyrosine are found in the body, and are principally synthesized from L-phenylalanine.

In relation to energy, L-tyrosine is a precursor for the synthesis of epinephrine and dopamine. Like Mulletsoldier stated, it is also helps to regulate the thyroid hormones thyroxine and triiodothyronine.

L-tyrosine is commonly supplemented between 500-1500mg.

I don't think that I would consider this to be a sole source of energy however, it is definetely an added bonus to overall energy production.

Thanks, currently taking 1000mg a day. Have noticed very little effect on energy, but I tan like crazy. Was just curious if a higher dose was needed for the thyroid effects and energy boost.

Thanks, currently taking 1000mg a day. Have noticed very little effect on energy, but I tan like crazy. Was just curious if a higher dose was needed for the thyroid effects and energy boost.

Actually, I have never noticed an effect on energy either. That was just the science. I'm not excactly sure "how much" of a role the thyroid plays in energy.

I do know however, that you do not need to administer high dosages in order to enhance overall thyroid function. The levels are already prevalent in the body without supplementation, so what your taking should be sufficient.

I personally feel that there are much more effective supplements to spend my money on in reguards to energy/endurance/ATP.