Adding race gas to a cobb tune WILL NOT raise timing beyond their set points and those setpoints are a few degrees LOWER than the stock timing curve.

nobody said raise it above its max setpoint that is offset some from stock... just that it does adapt period.. Mike said if it raised timing with race gas prior, then some timing was lowered because of knock... clap said it wouldnt raise it (with his car) ... adding in the whole 'above max set point' is changing the context of what was being discussed with adaptation being used in the process.

the point of a tune being overly aggressive without offsetting timing was just shown to still be the case with Cobb (which does offset max set points), since clap himself said it was too aggressive without full bolt-ons