--The entire A side of the 90 minute tape did not record…All of the B side seems fine. She warned me that tapes often come out blank when recording her...

Desda Zuckerman introduced me to Jean via email as someone who might be interested in being interviewed for NSP.

Jean began practicing Feng Shui in the 1970’s at a time when it was little know in the US.As she developed her skills, her work evolved to include a more holistic, counseling approach.

She was able to “read” faces, to understand her client’s needs in a way that they may not have been fully aware of themselves.

In addition, her acute sensitivity to her surroundings was a catalyst for learning how to be in balance with the myriad of subtle energies encountered in daily life.This lead to her Clearing work which is another skill she uses both personally and professionally.

(Please see her website to learn more about Face Reading and Clearing!)

Jean came to the San Francisco bay area in April, 2007, to give a lecture on the art of Chinese Face Reading. She explained in depth about the 5 elements (water, wood, fire, earth, metal) and the dominant qualities and characteristics each element contributes to the personality and tendencies of people.I met her at this lecture and interviewed her the next day before she flew back to Seattle.

She returned in early June to conduct a workshop in Berkeley, CA on THE WISDOM OF YOUR FACE.I took this weekend workshop and found it to be both fascinating and enlightening.

Jean is a very friendly and engaging woman who obviously knows her subject well and presents it with grace and fluidity.She has written a book, THE WISDOM OF YOUR FACE which will be published by Hay House in February, 2008.

**Unfortunately the first 45 minutes did not get recorded so the transcription begins in the middle of a story Jean is telling me.This story is about a woman who is dying and a group of people all over the world are consciously helping her with the process through meditation and prayer…Jean is participating in this.

So I was holding a space for her and normally what happens when someone is dying is that they’ll stay there (where)?? for a certain point in time, it’s usually for about 3 days and then I’ll be aware that they’re going or they’ve gone. And then things kind of lighten and there are some trails and vapors and I just still hold on until I really feel that it’s done. So I was expecting that to happen.

I went to bed that night kind of holding the space and woke up the next morning and was in an entirely different place. It was a state of pure bliss. –I still totally get chills.Complete and total love. Complete and total safety. It was – the closest I’ve been, and I can’t even imagine anything better to what they talk about with enlightenment where you go through the day and you do your shopping, you know you chop wood and carry water and wash the dishes – and everything was so perfect and peaceful and fine.

And I was so puzzled.I thought maybe she had died. But that wasn’t, hadn’t been my experience. And this lasted for 3 days. The most remarkable experience of my life; where I just float. I was in complete balance, I was just in this beautiful, beautiful place.

And then 3 days later I felt her die. And I’d gotten the email that she had passed.

When I was in touch with this man who was the spiritual teacher who was with her helping her die – what we realized was that I had tapped in to the field of love that had been held for her with all these amazing people all over the world. And I had just down-loaded this love, I had become part of that bliss that they had created.And this is really important to me - that the first understanding that we reach when we wake up is how affected we are by everything around us. How affected we are by the stress other people hold or the stress held in the land or by the pollution around us and how that stresses us and harms us.

But the flip side of that is that as the number of people grows who can hold a higher frequency we benefit enormously from that.By tapping into that by being a part of that field we can become love, we are magic, we are far more powerful than we think this one little person is alone.Because you know I would love to continue to tap into that but its evaporated, its gone because the intention of holding that space for her is gone now and so that kind of went away and everybody parted ways.

But one of the things I do with the clearing work is that we now have hundreds of people, thousands I guess all over the world who know how to do this and to help them keep that field constant, to benefit everybody.

Linda:

That’s great. So that exists 24/7?

Jean:

No, I don’t think it exists 24/7 because what we as humans do is we go AAHHHHAAAA hhhh- and then grrrr – we think about dinner or somebody says something to us so- we’ve still got our layers, our stuff. And so the thing is that you take a few minutes everyday to clear yourself.And you clear other people because as you clear someone else you benefit yourself as well. Or you clear a space.

So as I’m walking through my life or as I’m sitting in airports or I’m sitting next to someone or I’m doing my work, the clearing is happening all the time – selfishly because it benefits me.

Linda:

But you’re doing it consciously.

Jean:

Yeah.

Linda:

Do you think you do it unconsciously too?

Jean:

Yeah. They call it 4 levels of ability, or something like that.Where the 1st thing is: unconscious incompetence – where you don’t know that you don’t know something.And then its; conscious incompetence – where you suddenly become aware that you don’t know how to do something.And then its; conscious competence – where you’re trying really hard to do it and you have to focus on it and do it.And then once you’ve integrated it, it becomes unconscious competence.

And so as I’m walking around, as I’m sitting in an airport I will suddenly go into clearing mode because someone somewhere,of course everywhere, is in stress and imbalance, and I have picked up that frequency and I’m just doing it, I’m just doing what I do.Not to save someone or help someone, because that turns into sympathy and it doesn’t help them.

But I’m not the only one – there are many, many people doing this.

Linda:

Do you have a favorite place on the planet? And what makes it special to you?

Jean:

Well I love Santa Barbara because of the eucalyptus trees and all the trees there. It’s a very, very magical place and I think there’s a very special balance there.But there are many, many places all over the world and really the goal is to have everyplace be your favorite place.

Because it’s personality that keeps you having favorite places. So this can be the most beautiful place on the face of the earth because of who I am. It’s only our judgment and the judgment of everybody living in Oakland that makes this hotel room feel like it does.

So the goal is to be able to feel completely comfortable as comfortable as I feel in the trees in Montecito (just south of Santa Barbara) as I do here.

Linda:

And it sounds like you’re pretty successful about that.

Jean:

(Laughs) Well that’s the hope! Oh not all the time-

Linda:

85% - 90% of the time??

Jean:

No, I don’t know - You know we all have our stuff the goal is to lose the stuff. The stuff is just an illusion!

Linda:

Hmm – yeah…Do you mind if I ask you some personal questions?

Jean:

Oh – pfff – (indicating, yes of course, go ahead)

Linda:

I heard you say last night that you grew up in Chicago. I assume you’re of Irish heritage.

Jean:

(shakes her head no)Czechoslovakian.

Linda:

Really?Oh my gosh I thought it was obviously Irish!

Jean:

There’s some Celtic in there but the red hair is Czechoslovakian. German, English, Scottish –probably a little bit if Irish but not much.

Linda:

Ohh, interesting….never mind then. (we laugh)

You know one of the main things I wonder about is the religious upbringing and the spiritual exposure people have when they were young.Was that a foundation for you to leap away from or to deepen…?

Jean:

Um, no nothing to do with that. I think that for me it was being born so wide open and being soo impacted by everything around me and being challenged by that and so feeling assaulted by the energy of the world. Its interesting that you bring up Ireland.I went to live in Scotland in my 20’s. And I lived there for about 5 years and that’s when I really started tuning in because I would go to the stone circles, I would go to some very remote place where there would be something, a stone – and actually it was the stones that I first started reading the energy of.

And so everybody else would be there like aaahhh, I’d be there like HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!Visibly vibrating! (we laugh!)

Linda:

Oh my god!

Jean:

And just the ancient energy of the land as compared to Chicago which was oooohhh, just people, people and stuff.And tuning into hundreds of years of energy that really woke me up.There is something here, this is not my imagination.

Linda:

Did you go to Findhorn?

Jean:

I studiously avoided Findhorn the whole 5 years I was there, I never went to Findhorn.

Linda:

How come?

Jean:

Because they all just seemed so bloody airy fairy to me!You know I just, aaohhh…And I’m sure if I’d gone, I never would have left.There was some fear about that.You know, talking to cabbages, give me a break! (we laugh)Yeah.I’m very skeptical.

You know people, they tend to romanticize stuff.You know, white people doing native American ceremonies…. And it’s a romanticizing, they get caught up in indigenous cultures and shamanistic things and they tend to romanticize the culture or the thought forms of the people.

Indigenous cultures tended to be brutal!They would murder people, massacre people, torture people, they had blood ceremonies.But we have this lovely little image of, you know, their communing with nature (dripping with sarcasm) that’s a bunch of shit!

They were brutal unevolved people. They may have been more in touch with the energy of the earth but they were also bashing each other on the head, right and left!It’s not about going backwards in time to that – it’s certainly about learning how to go back and maybe understanding how to tune in to energy and how to be with the earth.But it’s about moving forward, it’s about evolving, not going backwards.

Linda:

I think that’s very interesting to hear you say that. I don’t look at it that way. I think I have a more generous view of it . (we’re laughing)

Jean:

Good. See I told you I’m prejudice!No and that’s fine and I’m very open with you in my judgment about that but I don’t judge you for doing that because we’re all very different. And for me I’m very left brain, I’m very metal, and it’s about learning and growing for me.And we have to be very careful to discern what to benefit from and what to just leave behind. And I find that its just like thinking everybody is trying to talk to us, to think that indigenous people from thousands of years ago had some special secret or they were so incredibly lovely and wonderful that they walked around doing…just kind of doing this – that’s not so, that’s not so.

Linda:

But there is a large part of that equation that is so. The way I see it is that people are trying to tune in to something sane and authentic. Trying to acclimate to a way of being that has resonance with many of those in ancient cultures who lived a far more honorable life in concert with Nature than we see represented here in the so-called developed world.

Jean:

Oh absolutely. What the indigenous wisdom is – was their ability to tune in to the unconscious world, the unseen world, the invisible world.

Linda:

And to know that they were just one part of nature. They weren’t separate from it.

Jean:

Yes, but they did it in a pre-historic way that suited their frequency which was about the magic and the ritual and the blood and the whatever.And we do not need to do it in the same way and I think it doesn’t suit us to do it in the same way. And so where I see danger is all these people trying to do it that way and not having the creative intelligence to understand what to take from it. How to use that for who we are today. So it’s not fake, I think it is all about losing the layers and tuning in to the depths of what’s really going on around us. But in a way that’s real and authentic for us.

Linda:

You must be aware that prophesies from many different traditions are being revealed now.And I came across one from a Mayan culture – who believe that homo sapiens are evolving into a different form that some are calling homo illuminous.

And I actually believe that. That has come to my mind a few years ago that – I just look at some people and I think they’re the Neanderthal line that ended up at a dead end…(we laugh)

I don’t know what your politics are but I look at people like bush and I just say, man, he’s not even a human being, he hasn’t reached homo sapien yet.

Jean:

Yeah, yeah. I think we’re evolving, we’re always evolving.And if you look at us 50 years ago we’re not who we were then.I mean there’s been a gigantic change in the last 20 years. Enormous change in human evolution and I think we’re kind of the forefront of that.

And there are many stories and beliefs and I’m sure something is happening. I mean there’s a lot of people who believe that the earth is mostly populated by aliens and the humans are dying out and it’s the alien nature that’s coming on now.And so there are all kinds of stories that you can believe. I think that stories are stories and who the hell are we to know what’s really going on and really what does it matter how we define it for ourselves.

You know its very nice to tie it up with a cute little bow and say that at 2012 this will happen or this is really what’s going on. Because we all have this desire to make it all fit. And again my Taoist nature just wants to go (she weaves her hand like a snake) Its messy OK?Its all about birth and death and flow and change and that’s all you need to know and its just about making you the best you can be.

And so why are we wasting time creating stories explaining what’s happening – that’s a distraction. That’s entertainment, that’s an intellectual exercise to help us understand what’s going on and it prevents us, its an obstacle to our continuing growth because we keep trying to build the little blocks of the pretty story we’re making.

Just like what’s here, what’s happening here, you know. Open your eyes to what’s going on around you-just continue to balance and grow and work on your self and if the story helps you great, but don’t spend too much time on the story because you’re just devoting energy that you can use in other ways.

Linda:

Would you say that about trees too? About their evolution and the harmonics that each species resonates to?

Jean:

I have no idea. (we laugh)again I think it would be arrogant of me to even assume.

Linda:

You have a very clear boundary on that.

Jean:

Well you know I’ve worked with so many people in so many workshops and so many students and I see our human inclination to try to define things in a certain way that makes sense for us. And that’s natural but it only helps us to stay up here (in the head).

Linda:

But its also a gateway into changing perceptions and then changing your behavior in the world.

Jean:

True. But again it’s like, I mean I will overanalyze with the best of them. And so I need to keep myself in check about that. But I would rather just allow – certainly there is some evolution going on with the trees but that’s none of our business.

We have human business to take care of you know. The bugs business is the bugs business and so why should we interfere in the bug business life or the tree business life. It’s the human business and we’re doing such a rotten job of the human business, we should be tending to this.

Linda:

But can we tend to this without the understanding and the co-creation with others. Because if we don’t understand that we will continue to step on the bugs…

Jean:

But see if we pay attention to this we’re going to not want to step on the bugs. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say.

Linda:

That we’ll automatically come into balance.

Jean:

Yes, and certainly opening peoples awareness to the life around us and to other life forms is important – absolutely and I don’t want to make you think I’m saying just keep your blinders on, no nothing like that.

But our tendency will be – once we do that then suddenly we’ll start analyzing the trees and suddenly we start analyzing the birch trees and suddenly we start analyzing the root system of the birch trees…

And then we’ve forgotten why we’ve even woken up to that at all.

Linda:

But to me, all of these things are different hooks for different mindsets for different cultures and the hooks are needed to pull people in…

Jean:

Only so far, the problem is we stay with the hooks too long. We’re grabbing on to this and we’re way off over there caught up in something that’s just distracted us and caught up in work that is not as beneficial as if we just use the hook and then we drop it. It’s like you have a little booster rocket that gets you off your launch pad but like so many of us we stay with the booster rocket and we’re off up there.

The booster rocket gets you up but then you need to let go of the booster rocket and you move on to your new planet, you know your next level. So I think we need to be careful about what we buy into – yes, we need to get started but then it’s OK, so where am I, and what’s important.?

And certainly we need to open our awareness about the rest of life on earth, and opening to that because that is about opening the heart. And you can often learn to open your heart to trees much more easily than you can learn to another person because of all their stuff. So it’s a good exercise but then I find that someone starts to open their heart to a tree and then after 5 minutes suddenly they’ve created a whole story about the tree and the being who lives inside the tree and that being has a special message for them about when they were 3 or what they should do with their life and it’s a bunch of bull sh**.

Linda:

You think across the board, it’s just bull sh**?

Jean:

It’s our human stuff. All our story layered on to everything else. It’s what we do, it’s why we’re harming the earth. This is why we are harming the earth. Because we are so arrogant and self centered that we thought we could use nature for our benefit. And it’s another little piece, if you sit with the tree and you sit with the tree and you feel the tree then that’s OK. But what most people do is they have 30 seconds of that and then they’re on to their story. And then the tree is left with a residue.

I have a friend, Chuck Petis, and he wrote a beautiful little book called SACRED SPACE, I think. Where, his theory, and I know he’s right, is that all these wonderful sacred spaces all over the earth;the stone circles like Stonehenge, and the goddess temples of Malta – they have been polluted by all the people that go there and think they’re meditating in the sacred space when really what they’re doing is depositing junk, their energetic and emotional stuff, and then they go away and it’s as if they had a picnic and left all their litter behind, all their garbage. And then someone else comes and does the same thing.

So that the sacred spaces of the earth have become less sacred, they’ve become thick with residue. So what his work is all about is going to the sacred places and clearing them, very similar to what I do, so that they can continue to maintain their high frequency. And so this is what people do with trees.They have this wonderful romantic vision of going out and talking to trees but what they’re really doing is just pooping their stuff on the tree and after a few seconds they go home and talk about the wonderful story they had about wthat the tree told them- that they should go to medical school or something. I mean – come on!

(we laugh)The tree could care less.

Linda;

So have you actually seen this happening? When you’ve been walking in the woods or anywhere and other people are there, do you feel this happening, you sense this happening?

Jean:

I experience it because people tell me their story about what happened with the tree or the rock or the leaf or the stream.

Linda;

So is it your observation that the trees don’t recover their balance when…

Jean:

Oh absolutely. I’m sure they can but it depends if there’s a tree in the forest that’s fairly remote and it gets visited once in a while, sure. But the tree in your back yard… the poor trees in the city.

Oh my God – there’s such a lot going on I’m amazed that they’re still alive. I’m amazed that city’s have any nature left in them at all just because of the energy if nothing else. But again it’s coming back to our doing our work. It’s who we are that’s hurting the trees it’s not about us going to have a conversation and make the poor tree feel better. Because if we’re doing that, we’re still leaving a layer of us stuck to the tree. The tree doesn’t need that, it needs tree energy. It needs earth energy and rain energy and sky energy and you know…

Linda:

Um, there was something I was going to ask you.

Jean:

(Laughs) This is so funny, I mean you’re giving me – I’m being so unpleasant –

(we’re laughing)..

Linda:

No you’re not!

Jean:

Well I know you can take it. I mean I just wanted to let you know usually with most people I’m much more tactful and gentle about well,

Well, I noticed that you’re a different person today than you were last night!

Jean:

Well, you and I are having a private conversation and I respect you and I think you..

Linda:

I take it as a sign of respect and if you hadn’t done that it would have shown less respect.

Jean:

Right. Exactly. And I respect the work that you’re doing and I do not in ANY way mean to say that you shouldn’t be doing it, because I think it’s really, really important. And my only worry is that people will just use it as another vehicle for personality.

Linda:

So if we were to re-do this. Say you were my mentor and I have come to you with this project – do you know how you would re-direct this?

Jean:

Well in a way, I’m doing the same project. You know, what I’m teaching people to do in my clearing workshops is how to sense energy, how to get quiet, how to release all their layers so they can sense things clearly without their story coloring it.

And so if I were you, wanting for people to understand, I would be taking people to the woods, or taking them somewhere in nature and helping them get quiet, get empty and start to feel. But what happens is that when they start to feel they get scared and immediately shut down. Or they have to create a story to explain it. Or they start to feel and they feel out of control and they start freaking out and they start having big emotional stuff because they’re so arrogant their laying their story over what they’re feeling and they have to have an experience around it and then your left with someone having hysterics sitting by the tree and thinking the tree is telling them about their mother or whatever its…!

But the goal is, for me, just to help people come in here – (as she puts her hands over her 2nd chakra.)

Linda:

It just all comes back to clearing yourself and gaining your own balance.

Jean:

Yeah. Yeah. Because if you’re in balance and you walk into the forest then the forest will welcome you, it will be so happy to have you there, energetically they will wrap their arms around you, it will open to you because you’re in balance.But we’re not in balance we’re stressed. And so we walk into the forest and everything in the forest is just like - - pshhh (deflating sound) we don’t want to feel this.

Linda:

So do you have an idea why I still haven’t been able to develop the kind of relationship as clearly..

Jean:

Well, one thing might be that, I mean it’s interesting to me that you were driving along and not going, “talk to me. OK, talk to me”,

But that it just happened for you. So you were in an open receptive state. You did not have an attachment to outcome, you did not have an intention to do anything, you were just being. And so naturally you got it.But after that experience happened to you, it’s like my 3 days of bliss. If I try to make that happen again, I can’t make it happen, you know! Because you have to just be. And so I think possibly the reason it hasn’t happened again is that you’ve been trying. HELLO!

Rather than just, ahhhhh.. (relax)And I’m sure you’ve gone and just tried to open and meditate and let it happen. It may have been, like I said before, there may have been an especially strong communication happening between the trees.

The Aborigines have what are called song lines, which basically they used to walk the lines and chant the chant and sing the song and create their own reality to keep these lines going. And when you are open, when you are sensitive, if you’re standing on a song line you start to get the communication. But because you don’t have the pin number, you don’t have the code to punch in to translate you basically just hear, grrrsshhhrgsrao- and you start feeling very strange and then you step off the song line and you’re OK. You step back on and it’s this..

So you may have been going through a field of vapors of tree communication and picked it up - that may have been particularly strong in that one place maybe just that one day. There may have been somebody cutting down trees and the whole forest went into alert and you got that transmission.

You know in my experience of nature it’s a very delicate, fine-tuned energy. So you have to really, I mean I can’t always pick it up, you have to really practice to be able to pick that up again or to consistently pick it up.

Linda:

Mmmhm – even you.

Jean:

Because of our stuff. Because of our stuff.(she says in a light heartedway -we chuckle..)

Linda:

How are you doing?

Jean:

With time?

Linda:

I mean how are you doing – we’ve been at it for over an hour. Are you still OK?

Jean:

Laughs – Oh – yeah.How are you doing?

Linda:

Oh I’m doing great, I could go on all day!

Jean:

I know ! Me too! No, I’m loving this so – I don’t know if you’re out of questions or…

Linda:

I wonder if I try to approach this in a different way – I’d like to get back to trees and forests and to pull more out of you on that, but only if it feels like a natural place to go.

Jean:

Yeah, and I don’t know if I have anything to …

Linda:

Do you remember anything as a kid? Did you have any specific experiences?.

Jean:

Well it’s like there’s subtle energy stuff so that when you’re in a place where there’s a lot of nature there’s a different atmosphere. The chi is richer.When you’re walking down a concrete sidewalk in downtown streets, there’s a totally different life force there.And I think just as a child you know, it’s like every plant has a different energetic signature and so it was just natural for me to read that. But I think we all do that, we’re just not aware.

Linda: When you were in Ireland and Scotland did you interact with the fairies at all?

Jean:

Not in Scotland, Scotland has a very different energy than Ireland.

Scotland has had a different kind of suffering and the land holds a very different energetic.So that in Scotland the earth speaks more and the stones speak more. In Ireland it’s so lush and so green and so vital that everything just sparkles. So even though they are very close and built out of the same rock, they’re two very different places.

Linda:

You just noticed the lushness and energy rather than relating to a specific being.

Jean:

Yeah. Yeah. The thing is that there are all these other worlds that are co-existing with our human world on this earth. And so there are lines of energy in the earth that have nothing to do with the plants.There’s underground water that carries information and carries a certain frequency and it can be stressful or not to plants or people.There are magnetic fields.There’s the fracturing, the pressure ridges and the way that the actual rocks in the earth are rubbing and sending out frequencies, that also sends out information and messages.

So that’s another thing that I read when I’m anywhere. The life force of the plants and the trees varies from species to species and carries different sounds, tastes, everything else.But it’s just like different food.I mean I try to describe it to people like a buffet, you taste a little bit of that and you taste a little bit of that and so every living thing has a different signature, has a different flavor.

And what I would love is that if people could feel more safe to open up and start to become aware of how they are already being affected by this and reading it because I think it would make a richer fuller life for them. Instead of just eating mashed potatoes all the time they’re having this wonderful spread of all these ethnic foods and they can taste many different things and then of course that increases their desire to honor and respect and maintain this beautiful place we live in–that we are destroying through our own stupidity and arrogance.

Linda:

Do have any thoughts on where we will be, where the planet will be in 20 years.

Jean:

Well my hope is that, I mean look at how we’ve changes in 20 years. I think people aren’t aware, if they would just look back, the last 50 years really there’s been a complete revolution in thought.

I think there’s been an enormous leap forward in our consciousness and my hope is that it will only continue. And if it doesn’t then that’s fine too. It’s like what will happen, will happen.And it’s up to us, each individual person it’s just up to us to work on this. (holds her 2nd chakra – emotional seat)

It’s like there’s nobody else out there – it’s about this (ourselves, our stuff) So if this can be in balance (meaning ourselves) then this gets into balance (meaning nature…)

And there are many ways to work on this and if it can be talking to trees then more power to everybody who talks to trees, far better that than cutting it down.

Linda:

Where you live, I assume there are a lot of trees.

Jean:

AHHH… yeah, yeah – very special.

Linda:

Coniferous….

A phone ring interrupts us…

Linda:

I can give you a ride to the airport.

Jean:

I was going to ask you – they told me last night the shuttle’s available but it’s only every half hour.

Linda:

I can take you.

Jean:

Oh thank you, thank you!

Linda:

You know there are some lingering questions that I have from last night that just keep noodling me.

Jean:

OK – sure.

Linda:

Do you mind if I switch?

Jean:

No!

Linda:

Several – so I read your FAQ’s from your website.But I have a few more questions.So the face changes all the time right, so if you were to do a reading in the morning it could be totally different in the afternoon, right?

Jean:

Well it cold be but at a miniscule level.

Linda:

And what about lack of sleep and medication…

Jean:

Sure – absolutely. I mean when I first started doing face readings someone would come to me for a face reading and then I would think well that’s the last I’ll ever see of them cause I read their face and they only have one face and that’s it.

But two things really happen with this because people would keep coming back for face readings and I’d be like, well, but I read your face. But the thing is, life changes and 5 elements theory gives us solutions to different issues.So based on what elements they are and then the problem that their facing, the new problem that happened 3 months later, we can use 5 element theory to solve it.

But also their face has changed according to how their life has changed and how they’re feeling at the moment. So every face reading is about a moment in time.But certainly your face changes from morning to afternoon, but not so dramatically that I would have drastically different things to say to you.

But certainly, often when people go without sleep they get circles under their eyes, well this has to do with our kidney essence, with our reservoir - our reserves of energy.And so when we’ve been depleted our kidneys will be affected, will have had lack of sleep, will be tired, it’s just an indication of that happening.And so naturally it will also show up as circles under the eyes, little things like that. Lack of energy, lack of sleep, lack of rest, overworking – will show up in lines coming here in the face. (I think she points to either side of the mouth) so little things like that.But far more is the emotional nature of the person and how that’s reflected and what they need in order to come back into balance and have a happier life.

Linda:

Can you tell sexual orientation?

Jean:

Sometimes, not always.

Linda:

Interesting…This is fascinating… Anything else you’d like to say about trees?

Jean:

You know to me, trees are like people, every tree is different, every person is different.And it’s just all about allowing that spirit to be the very best it can be.