Comments on: The Mets inch closer to Michael Bourn: they may offer a four-year dealhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/06/the-mets-inch-closer-to-michael-bourn-they-may-offer-a-four-year-deal/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:39:50 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: paperlionshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/06/the-mets-inch-closer-to-michael-bourn-they-may-offer-a-four-year-deal/#comment-437556
Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:24:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437556It doesn’t actually have that effect. Teams lose draft pool money if they fail to sign the picks. Agents figured this out early last year, so a late 1st rounder has a lot of leverage to get a deal close to slot. For example, the 20th pick this year has a slot amount of $1.85M. If the team fails to sign that pick, they lose then entire amount from the draft pool (as well as the player), if they sign the guy for $1.65M, the get the player and have an “extra” $200K to sign other guys. The effect of the lost money is really negligible compared to losing the pick itself because the way it is set up essentially protects draftees from being low balled by teams….aside from the first few picks, you won’t see teams saving a lot of money compared to the slot amount.
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:25:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437506Bourne’s WAR was 6.0. A career-high number. So, let’s say he does it again . That would make him worth, what…7 wins assuming whoever might play CF in his stead is below replacement level. That brings the Mets up from, say, 70 wins to 77 wins? Let me get my wallet out!
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:06:46 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437454Say what you will about boras, and I’ll probably agree with most of it, but he’s a magician. Makes deals out of thin air, literally. His track record is off the charts. Funny how there’s only 32 GM’s, and he finds a sucker, every time (aberrations withstanding, ie Madsen etc)
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:01:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437451So to the people who want to see the Mets spend 2-3 years more rebuilding -You are willing to shell out $150 + to go to Citi field to see a non contending team with the outfield they have now? Bourn is a professional BB player. The guys they have out there now are only 50%. I don’t want the Mets to over pay but they need a real outfield.
As far as losing a pic, how many prospects actually make it and thrive? I’m not saying if there is a Stassberg,Wheeler etc ,but that’s what they are-Prospects
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:53:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437447Keep that 1st round (#11 pick).
We are still 2-3 seasons away from contending. Bourne is NOT the difference.

Ditto for Loshe. He wants $15M per year for 5 years? Har har har. Here’s $10M per for 3, with an option. Don’t like it? Best of luck.

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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:23:09 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437436No, they’ve said they won’t do the deal if they have to give up the draft pick. Though, they could change their mind I guess.

And we don’t know how huge the prospective deal might be yet. I’d say it has to exceed $10M a year for sure, so it won’t be cheap. But it may not come close to the $15M a year Boras is asking for.

If he wants the big money that was expecting to get that would be his best approach.

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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:18:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437432I wonder if Bourn might be best served to sit out the first 3 months of the season and sign after the draft?
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:15:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437427Another dumb move by a dumb franchise
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:15:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437425Go for it, Mets! As a Cub fan, I whole-heartedly endorse a huge, long-term contract that costs you pick #11 in the 2013 draft for a 30 yr old, .270 hitter who relies on speed as his asset, yet strikes out almost 25% of the time. Oh yeah – hit .238 in the 2nd half. Love the trend! He should be the last piece you need to win the East Division this year – money well spent.
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:02:50 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437417Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:57:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437413From what I’ve read the compensation expires on the day of the MLB draft in June, which anyone who picks him up doesn’t lose their pick and draft pool money.
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:56:13 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437412Its not just the loss of the pick it also kills a teams draft pool money for the current season’s draft
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:55:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437411Another question along the lines of the above: is there an “expiration date” on losing that first round pick? e.g. If the Mets sign Bourn at some point once the season has started? I’m assuming, “no,” but just curious.
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:50:11 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437404No, that would be considered collusion. Also, you are correct that teams can’t trade draft picks
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Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:44:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=295542#comment-437399Can teams do sign and trades in MLB? The loss of the 1st round pick is causing Bourn and Lohse to not sign quickly. Something tells me they are not. I also seem to recall that they can’t trade draft picks.

But, if sign and trade deals and trading of draft picks were allowed, a team that wants Bourn or Lohse could trade their 1st rounder, and get a little something back in addition to the player instead of the current all or nothing on losing the pick.