So I got 96 hands on this player. Since I just started using the a pokertracker I still don't know how to perfectly analyze his stats.

My main questions :
1. Preflop : Should I always just call this preflop or sometimes 3bet this oop ? I also considered folding because this is a hand that can get difficult to handle playing oop in a multiway pot but since it was suited I felt it was too nitty to fold this hand. I usually 3bet alot from the sb. to compensate my disadvantage oop. I just thought that this kind of hand is neither strong enough to raise for value nor weak enough to use it as a bluff or to fold it.

2. Flop :
Of course it looks pretty strong when he check raises into two people. I still think that he has quite alot of bluffs in his range like multiple flush draws and straight draws. His obvious value bets are 44, 55 or 45. He might have Q4s, Q5s but I'm not sure. Since I also had a backdoor flush draw I decided to call.

3. Turn
He jams the turn. Really sucks since I picked up equity. Really polarized bet but since the decision on the flop was already close I tend towards folding.

I don't understand how having a 1% chance of hitting a flush makes calling the flop raise from a solid TAG profitable.

You hit the best turn card you could, and you're still thinking about folding. Like, why ever call the flop?

#3

3rd November 2017, 12:48 AM

Papier24 [132]

Originally Posted by c9h13no3

I don't understand how having a 1% chance of hitting a flush makes calling the flop raise from a solid TAG profitable.

I have expected that someone mentions this. I obviously didn't call hoping to hit my backdoor flush. I just thought the decision on the flop is very close so it's atleast not a disadvantage to have these 3-4% more equity. Shouldn't even mentioned it.

The main reason I considered folding on the turn is because of his bet size. Don't think he would shove the turn with just a flush draw very often. I think a K or Q would have been much better cards on the turn btw. You didn't really tell
me what you would have done though.

#4

3rd November 2017, 9:01 PM

c9h13no3 [8,702]

re: Poker & $2 NLHE 6-max: Facing turn shove on the

Originally Posted by Papier24

II just thought the decision on the flop is very close

Since when? We have top pair, 2nd kicker against a solid opponent. We beat nothing he raises for value, and some of his semibluffs are favorites against us. The SPR is 8ish, and he raised 2 players (one of which raised UTG). I can't think of an argument for calling, can you?

#5

3rd November 2017, 10:57 PM

AlexTheOwl [857]

Poker at: Ignition

Originally Posted by Papier24

1. Preflop : Should I always just call this preflop or sometimes 3bet this oop ? I also considered folding because this is a hand that can get difficult to handle playing oop in a multiway pot but since it was suited I felt it was too nitty to fold this hand. I usually 3bet alot from the sb. to compensate my disadvantage oop. I just thought that this kind of hand is neither strong enough to raise for value nor weak enough to use it as a bluff or to fold it.

No stats on UTG?

Raises from UTG are usually strong, and a player has called already.
No reason to 3-bet here. After you are out of the micros you can start worrying about balancing ranges in these situations. Maybe.

You are probably behind every single hand in both player's ranges. But you do have enough equity and implied odds to call.

Originally Posted by Papier24

2. Flop :
Of course it looks pretty strong when he check raises into two people. I still think that he has quite alot of bluffs in his range like multiple flush draws and straight draws. His obvious value bets are 44, 55 or 45. He might have Q4s, Q5s but I'm not sure. Since I also had a backdoor flush draw I decided to call.

BB's AF is high, though not fish-high. Yeah, maybe he is semi-bluffing.

You are giving him a very wide calling range from the BB pre-flop if you include unsuited 45, Q4, Q5, and unsuited straight draws in his range here.

Adjust his VPIP upwards because he is on the BB and is therefore getting a discount to call in what would be a four-way pot. But then adjust downwards because he is calling an UTG raise and two calls of that raise. Let's say for argument that his real VPIP here is 25% (I'd guess it's really closer to 20%)

We can assume he 3-bets AA and KK pre-flop, but maybe not anything else against a UTG raise and two calls. So:
{22-QQ,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s ,A6o+,KTo+}

Now what part of that is the BB's range after the 3-bet?
{QQ,44-55,As2s+,Ks9s+,Qs9s+,Js9s+,Ts9s,9s8s,8s7s,7s6s,6s5 s,54s,AQ,KQ}

Your equity against this range, which includes all of his semi-bluffs, would be 32% heads-up. But we should adjust that number downwards, because most of that equity comes from semi-bluffs, and we have to reduce the chances that he is semi-bluffing, since he is betting into two opponents, both with strong pre-flop ranges.

Your equity heads-up against a made hand {QQ,44-55,Qs9s+,AQ,KQ,54s} is just 11%, with a chopped pot 25% of the time.

So what number between 32% and 11% represents your real equity heads-up? Allowing for his aggressive post-flop tendencies, maybe 25%?

It is not heads-up. UTG will act after you, and has lots of AA, KK, QQ, and AQ in his range, which you are far behind.

You have reverse implied odds. The BB, in particular, has more hands in his range that are likely to improve than you do.

There is $1.08 in the pot, and you are asked to call $0.36, so the pot odds are good: .36 / (1.08+.36) = you need 25% equity to call. In the best-case scenario (BB calls 25% of hands pre-flop, and he semi-bluffs more often than is wise on this flop), you have that.

But if UTG calls you are probably behind his hand. This aggressive BB is likely to continue to bet, and your reverse implied odds mean that he is more likely to improve than you are.

Originally Posted by Papier24

3. Turn
He jams the turn. Really sucks since I picked up equity. Really polarized bet but since the decision on the flop was already close I tend towards folding.

Your equity just improved to 46% against his range after the 3-bet {QQ,44-55,As2s+,Ks9s+,Qs9s+,Js9s+,Ts9s,9s8s,8s7s,7s6s,6s5 s,54s,AQ,KQ}, with 11% chopped pots.
Your real equity is lower, because we are weighing the BB's range toward made hands, and because he has bet again. But we can't read too much into a bet from an aggressive post-flop player here.

Pot is $2.86 and it is $1.42 to call, so you need 1.42 / (2.86+1.42) = 33% equity to call. This is all-in, so you don't need to worry about having to face any more bets. You have the equity you need.