My prayers go out to the people of Norway and all of those affected by the vicious murders of Anders Breivik. My intention is not to make less of what happened in Norway, but to explain that his murderous actions were not of the teachings of Christianity.

The following commentary and quotes briefly look at some of Breiviks positions in his own words against the charge that he was a Christian; much less a fundamentalist Christian. Also, keep in mind that those who have claimed Breivik as being a fundamentalist Christian seem to be using the term as an undefined rhetorical talking point against conservative Christianity.

From the 1,518-page manifesto and handbook of Andrew Burwick, A European Declaration of Independence:

Q. Are you a religious man, and should science take priority over the teachings of the Bible?

A: My parents, being rather secular wanted to give me the choice in regards to religion. At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I consider myself to be 100% Christian. However, I strongly object to the current suicidal path of the Catholic Church but especially the Protestant Church. I support a Church that believes in self defence and who are willing to fight for its principles and values, at least resist the efforts put forth to exterminate it gradually. The Catholic and Protestant Church are both cheering their own annihilation considering the fact that they embrace the ongoing inter-faith dialogue and the appeasement of Islam.

The current Church elite has shown its suicidal face, as vividly demonstrated last year by the archbishop of Canterbury's speech contemplating the legitimacy of Shariah in parts of Britain.

I trust that the future leadership of a European cultural conservative hegemony in Europe will ensure that the current Church leadership are replaced and the systems somewhat reformed. We must have a Church leadership who supports a future Crusade with the intention of liberating the Balkans, Anatolia and creating three Christian states in the Middle East.

Efforts should be made to facilitate the de-construction of the Protestant Church whose members should convert back to Catholicism. The Protestant Church had an important role once but its original goals have been accomplished and have contributed to reform the Catholic Church as well. Europe should have a united Church lead by a just and non-suicidal Pope who is willing to fight for the security of his subjects, especially in regards to Islamic atrocities.

I fully support that the Church gains more or less monopoly on religion in Europe (government policies, school curriculum etc at least) in addition to granting the Church several concessions which have been taken from them the last decades.

As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way.

Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.

Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?

A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus. Being a Christian can mean many things;

- That you believe in and want to protect Europe's Christian cultural heritage. The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity -Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European enlightenment (reasonis the primary source and legitimacy for authority).

It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a "Christian fundamentalist theocracy" (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want).

So no, you don't need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter)). The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation but rather a Christian "culturalist" military order.

I took a year off when I was 25 and played WoW PvE hardcore for a year....Im currently playing Modern Warfare 2 casually. (p. 1408)

If there is a God I will be allowed to enter heaven as all other martyrs for the Church in the past...

I highly recommend that you, prior to the operation, visit a Church and perform the Eucharist (Holy Communion/The Lords Supper ). As we know, this ritual represents the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion. You should also solve any issues you might have with God and ask for forgiveness for past sins. Finally, ask him to prepare for the arrival of a martyr for the Church.

Pope Urban II and Pope Innocent III granted indulgence to all future Crusaders The PCCTS, Knights Templars are Destroyers of Marxism and Defenders of Christendom. We are Crusaders, martyrs of the Church, selfless defenders of the weak and the blind. We our not only automatically granted access to heaven in light of our selfless acts; our good deeds and final sacrifice will be added to the divine storehouse of merit and will therefore help other less virtuos individuals...

I usually refer to Protestantism as the Marxism of Christianity. As long as you ask forgiveness before you die you can literally live a life as the most despicable character imaginable.

When a Justiciar Knight martyrs himself for the cause he walks down a path well knowing what is likely to await him. He chooses this path of sacrifice, not for his own self serving needs, but for his family, friends, his people, his culture, his nation and for the preservation of Christendom. As such, he is sacrificing the most divine gift, life itself, in service of others and in service of God.

A Justiciar Knight who martyrs himself for the cause, and/or self terminates during or after an operation for tactical reasons, should be celebrated as martyrs for the Church. It is expected that the Catholic Church and other denominations of Church authorities in Europe (and independent canon law experts) acknowledges our sacrifices and defines our deeds as acts of martyrdom for the Church, according to canon law. The Church should not have second thoughts on the matter as they are fully aware of the fact that European Christendom is gradually being deconstructed.

It is time that the Pope and his cardinals begin to resist the deliberate deconstruction of European Christendom. pp. 1345,46,48,61; 1405

Those who assert that the terrorist was acting consistent with the Bible are potentially as dangerous as he is.

While religious violence was sanctioned for Israel in a limited context, under the New Testament the Bible does not offer any sanction for physical religious violence, such as,

1. Christians killing others due to their contrary views.

2. the church using violence in correcting false beliefs among church members

3. the church exercising such to rule over those without

4. the church exercising such to expand the physical territory of the church

A possible exception might be in order to save others from being hurt in an immediate situation, but that is hardly a religious context. And historically, rather than religious violence, many Christian Evangelica­l “fundamenta­list” groups have chosen to be complete pacifists.

The early church and its individuals in the New Testament, being under the New Covenant (which Jesus instituted at His death), never used violence. Rather, “we do not war after the flesh, For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal,” “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against..spiritual wickedness..” (2Cor. 10:3,4; Eph. 6:12) Thus “the weapons of our warfare” spiritual, “By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left..” (2Cor. 6:7) While the Crusades are often invoked as an example of church instituted and promoted killing, that was the result of men assuming superior authority over Scripture, along with ignorance of the latter among the laity.

The N.T. does sanction the just use of the sword by the civil government, (Rm. 13:1-7) and while that is based upon moral views in any country, yet the N.T. itself separates the powers. (Mt. 22:21; Jn. 18:36; 1Cor. 5:12)

In contrast, as Jesus kingdom is not of this world, and hence His subjects do not use the sword in order to expand it, the Qur’an makes not such distinction and does promote religious violence. (http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html) Its mundane monologue of theology lacks the context and clarity needed to restrict what “war” against Islam is, and its exhortations to religious violence to simply being in a defensive context, while physical retaliation and fighting is clearly sanctioned and commanded, such as until all the religion of the land be of Allah. (Quran:8:39)

From his manifesto, 2083: A European Declaration of Independence, pp. 1402-1403.

As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way.

Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess Im not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic.

There's no debate in any of this ~ the man was and is your typical modern-day European Leftwingtard Nazi combo. Christianity plays no part in any of that stuff.

The folks telling us he's a Christian Fundamentalist obviously have no understanding of what that means in the American historic context (SEE: Scopes Monkey Trial), and can safely be told that they just don't have any idea so go away.

Remember, the standard in Europe is that the broad masses must accept the belief systems of the ruling elites no matter how stupid those belief systems might be.

In America we are not required to do that ~ doesn't mean we don't have those who go sniffing after European "mind drippings", but they don't need to do that.

We end up with different sporting events, holidays, classes, religious groupings, and standards than Europe due to our freedoms.

If they want to go around killing each other that's probably their business ~ and we should not share in it, nor should we tolerate their bringing their foolish ideas to this country.

Of the 86 forcible rapes in Norway over the last year, of the 83 they solved, ALL 83, that is, every single one, involved muslim immigrants who were in Norway due mainly to "multicultural" programs espoused by the ruling liberal party. That's before you even get to other flavors of crime and what extent the common people of Norway experience them versus the extent to which members of the liberal party do, or how the Norwegian people might view that question.

Is this still just Christians acting badly, or could it actually be that there is some natural limit to how long a nation's ruler(s) can act as if they were deaf without consequences? Could it be that Marie Antoinette wasn't just a fluke of some sort?

The political situation in several European countries is basically untenable and while no rational person could justify what just happened, it should not have been hard to predict.

One question nobody is asking is how anybody would view this business if the shooter(s) had turned out to be one or more of those 83 rape victims.

Anders Breivik: Did he love God? Did he love his neighbor? Did he love children and bless them? Did he demonstrate the fruit of the spirit "love, joy, peace, gentleness, kindness and self-control"? Do he do good unto all men?

I don’t think he was a Christian in any sense. He pretty much says so. I think he just recognized and supports the superiority of Christianity and it’s heritage, over the threatening barbarians of Islam. His actions do not portray a religious man at all.

It is instructive to read Knowing the Enemy by Mary Habeck
(I’ve almost finished it). The book discusses what the jihadis actually believe.

While the book exclaims over and over again that jihadi thought is not generally accepted by most Muslims, my problem with the Muslim world is that very few come out publically and condemn jihadi thought and actions.

Zuhdi Jasser, Walid Shoebat, and a couple of others are the exception, not the rule.

He talks about the “church” in a detatched way. He makes no mention of a relationship to Jesus....just 2,000 years of an “institution” in my book, that does not make him a Christian.
We are known by our fruits and this guy was obviously upset by the direction his government was going and sought to go on a one man crusade to stop what he could.
Not a Christian.

great link, about the 100% of violent rape in Oslo, being done by immigrants (Muslims) almost all against native Norwegians. ...same pattern as on the other side of the world in Australia.
especially amazing since they make up less than 4% of Norway’s population.
(but growing fast. what will Norway be like when it is 10 or 20% ???)

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posted on 07/25/2011 5:53:01 AM PDT
by Elendur
(the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)

Yet some do understand what Christian Fundamentalist means in the American historical context, and choose to use this and and Westboro Baptist, Harold Camping, etc.m as normative of evangelical Christians. It is working toward the persecution of the end times, when true believers shall be hated of all men, as they will not repent

But while he hopes to use this to get his message out, it is counterproductive as it gives a pretext for those who seek one in order to reject conservatives and silence and evangelical Christian faith.

He wanted a Christian culture but not the Christ. Likewise liberals want the Garden of Eden but not its God, and the laws (+ clothes) made necessary by the Fall.

This Norwegian man was critically of wrong faith, and born in the wrong century. So much for texts such as Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jn. 18:36

His form of christianity (small c) is a political ideology rather than a relationship with Christ, much like those who joined the Nazi party, yet labeled themselves Christian.
Labeling yourself Christian does not make you a Christian. His murderous act is all the proof that is needed that he is not a Christian, but a murderous hate-filled twisted monster.

"...As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe...."

Sounds Ike a strange way to be a Christian.

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posted on 07/25/2011 6:06:31 AM PDT
by rlmorel
("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")

He uses “Christian” the way any neo-Nazi uses it: to designate an ethnic/racial group, that is, Northern Europeans who have no Jewish or any other blood. The so-called “Christian Identity” movements are part of this. They have nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with being Northern European; Breivik, like Hitler, was also incorporating elements of Germanic/Nordic paganism and mythology into the “movement” he imagined he was building.

People like him are a modern form of neo-Nazi who have dropped the overtly Hitlerian references simply because of the bad publicity (and also because of the fact that it is illegal to be an overt follower of Hitler in most of Europe).

That said, the real reason for anything he did was that he was stark raving mad. One of the other things he said is that his followers would have to do some act to show their allegiance, such as cutting off their penises and testicles or murdering innocent children.

Anyone who asks if a mass murderer/terrorist is a Christian obviously has no idea what a follower of Jesus is.

The answer, regardless of any other information writing or proclaimed belief is NO.

While a follower of Jesus Christ may defend themselves and others from criminal or state violence, fight in wars as uniformed members of a bonafide armed force etc, they may not attack innocents otherwise. To assume otherwise is not to know Christ.

On the other hand, to be politically active in material and pertinent issues is a part of every citizens’ (to include Christians’) civic duty and responsibility.

We must render unto ceasar what is ceasars (civic duty etc), but unto God what is God’s. Salt and Light.

Too many folks who claim knowledge and pursuit of Jesus and a Biblical world view don’t in all honesty, know what that world view is, and sadly, all too often, even who Jesus is.

Norway and so many other “progressive” nations, forfiet security in teh name of safety.... Disarmed populations are the soft underbelly of obvious delight to perverse, tiny people.

Cowards attack children in the name of whatever.

This event to me is a sad but teachable moment.

In America, how many citizens leave their arms at home when they could be the thin line of sanity in the face of evil in that moment when realization that a man or woman other could affect an outcome, but since they are not samurai, and they left the 1.5 pound equalizer at home because it was too inconvenient, that they are at best about to be a martyr, well intentioned but un able to in all probability, change an outcome. I tell you it is much easier to run to the guns when armed, than when not; something about having a fighting chance.....

I hope that we take to heart the need to be armed as much as possible, and if need be to avoid instances where we cannot be so prepared.

Typing this, I recognize that laws are often a barrier that we cannot individually overcome. I work on a military base and therefore cannot be armed (with a firearm) but I am a preparped as I can be otherwise. No ninja, mind you, but I have thought through scenarios and am as well armed and equipped as I can be w/o violating the law/regs.
Do you think things through?

It is not paranoia, if indeed, someone MAY be out there willing to harm you wherever you may be. Forts Bragg, Hood; Shopping malls, movie theaters, amusement parks, restaurants, places of worship, colleges, most importantly, you home.

There are other things that testify to his unregenerate state, but charges the Climate Change movement as being “enviro-communists, eco-Marxists, neo-Communists or eco-fanatics,” and “their true agenda is to contribute to create a world government lead by the UN...” (p. 646)

“A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it,” he wrote.

“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian,” he wrote.

Later in the manifesto, when attempting to justify his “martyrdom operation” Breivik did not see himself as being religious.

“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment,” he wrote in a section of the manifesto.

“Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength,” he wrote.

“A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it,” he wrote.

“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian,” he wrote.

Later in the manifesto, when attempting to justify his “martyrdom operation” Breivik did not see himself as being religious.

“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment,” he wrote in a section of the manifesto.

“Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength,” he wrote.

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