It would seem the landlord of that building never wants to rent it out to another business if he sends police to kick everyone out during their busiest hours on a weekend. I sure as heck wouldn't want to rent from him.

What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

the_rhino:Dragonflew: FTFA: Customers said they were handed their bill totals and a to-go box for their food.

Uh, no. There would be no way in hell I would pay.

Why? You sat in their restaurant, ate the food, and they gave you a box to take it with you so it wouldn't go to waste. Seems like they provided everything that any other restaurant would.

Because they kicked you out when you did nothing that warranted being kicked out. It is like if you are in a cab and for no reason the cabbie pulls over before you reach your destination and orders you out you are not obligated to pay. He hast terminated the "contract" before is is fulfilled so he forfeits his pay. Same thing with a restaurant.

BumpInTheNight:What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

jclaggett:BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

Pretty much this, the bar would be looted the freezer would be trashed and the dining room would be ransacked.

jclaggett:BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

I would think they don't warn the staff because they want them to show up for some reason. It hadn't occurred to me the staff would loot the place.

Tom_Slick:jclaggett: BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

Pretty much this, the bar would be looted the freezer would be trashed and the dining room would be ransacked.

True, but why tell them in them middle of service? Tell them after the restaurant closes and they are walking out the door.

Mock26:Tom_Slick: jclaggett: BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

Pretty much this, the bar would be looted the freezer would be trashed and the dining room would be ransacked.

True, but why tell them in them middle of service? Tell them after the restaurant closes and they are walking out the door.

This was different, the building owner sent police in to essentially evict the restaurant. The restaurant owners probably thought they could get a few more meal services in. What happens around here is the building owner chains the doors shut after the place has closed. Maybe it has something to do with various state and local laws.

Tom_Slick:Mock26: Tom_Slick: jclaggett: BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

Pretty much this, the bar would be looted the freezer would be trashed and the dining room would be ransacked.

True, but why tell them in them middle of service? Tell them after the restaurant closes and they are walking out the door.

This was different, the building owner sent police in to essentially evict the restaurant. The restaurant owners probably thought they could get a few more meal services in. What happens around here is the building owner chains the doors shut after the place has closed. Maybe it has something to do with various state and local laws.

Mock26:the_rhino: Dragonflew: FTFA: Customers said they were handed their bill totals and a to-go box for their food.

Uh, no. There would be no way in hell I would pay.

Why? You sat in their restaurant, ate the food, and they gave you a box to take it with you so it wouldn't go to waste. Seems like they provided everything that any other restaurant would.

Because they kicked you out when you did nothing that warranted being kicked out. It is like if you are in a cab and for no reason the cabbie pulls over before you reach your destination and orders you out you are not obligated to pay. He hast terminated the "contract" before is is fulfilled so he forfeits his pay. Same thing with a restaurant.

There have been court cases where restaurants wouldn't provide doggie bags to patrons, with the patrons suing. The court ruled that the function of the restaurant was to provide a service, not a good. Thus, if the restaurant fails to finish providing their service, the patron is not obligated to pay.

I was once in a Denny's late after clubbing. A lot of people were there, probably ten double-tables. A couple of tables started getting rowdy and the manager chose to kick all of us out and tried to hand us bills. I informed the manager that I would not pay if I was not permitted to finish my meal, and that he was free to call the police if there was a problem, and I'd be happy to wait for them. Everyone else took the same position and he ended up just telling us to go and stopped trying to collect.

In hindsight I kind of feel for the wait staff that didn't get tips for probably 60 people, but it was the stupid manager that, rather than addressing the actual problem, went full-derp. There weren't any mundanes in the restaurant that night, so it's not like even the unruly tables were scaring away other paying customers, and at 2am I doubt that any mundanes would have given a crap anyway.

I agree it is a dick move. The restaurant owners were playing chicken with their building owner. The building owner finally got fed up and decided to shut them down during weekend evening meal service to prove a point. Plenty of bad guys here.

You guys saying you won't pay are awfully self-entitled. You didn't get the experience you wanted? You went there, the waitstaff took your order, delivered your food, and cleared your place- that is the restaurant "experience". Do you not pay for your items when you go shopping and the experience isn't as depicted on a commercial? Where is the line drawn? "Gee, I don't like how the country is being run, I'm not paying taxes!" "The lions at the zoo didn't perform a song and dance routine, I'm demanding a refund!" "The cable went out for a few hours today, I'm not paying the bill when it comes due!"

the_rhino:You guys saying you won't pay are awfully self-entitled. You didn't get the experience you wanted? You went there, the waitstaff took your order, delivered your food, and cleared your place- that is the restaurant "experience". Do you not pay for your items when you go shopping and the experience isn't as depicted on a commercial? Where is the line drawn? "Gee, I don't like how the country is being run, I'm not paying taxes!" "The lions at the zoo didn't perform a song and dance routine, I'm demanding a refund!" "The cable went out for a few hours today, I'm not paying the bill when it comes due!"

Not just that, but I'd pay extra for the entertainment value of watching a deadbeat restaurant owner getting his ass handed to him by landlord in the middle of dinner. You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere!

CokeBear:the_rhino: You guys saying you won't pay are awfully self-entitled. You didn't get the experience you wanted? You went there, the waitstaff took your order, delivered your food, and cleared your place- that is the restaurant "experience". Do you not pay for your items when you go shopping and the experience isn't as depicted on a commercial? Where is the line drawn? "Gee, I don't like how the country is being run, I'm not paying taxes!" "The lions at the zoo didn't perform a song and dance routine, I'm demanding a refund!" "The cable went out for a few hours today, I'm not paying the bill when it comes due!"

Not just that, but I'd pay extra for the entertainment value of watching a deadbeat restaurant owner getting his ass handed to him by landlord in the middle of dinner. You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere!

the_rhino:CokeBear: the_rhino: You guys saying you won't pay are awfully self-entitled. You didn't get the experience you wanted? You went there, the waitstaff took your order, delivered your food, and cleared your place- that is the restaurant "experience". Do you not pay for your items when you go shopping and the experience isn't as depicted on a commercial? Where is the line drawn? "Gee, I don't like how the country is being run, I'm not paying taxes!" "The lions at the zoo didn't perform a song and dance routine, I'm demanding a refund!" "The cable went out for a few hours today, I'm not paying the bill when it comes due!"

Not just that, but I'd pay extra for the entertainment value of watching a deadbeat restaurant owner getting his ass handed to him by landlord in the middle of dinner. You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere!

Dinner and a show!

Just like the Waffle House on Piedmont in Atlanta after the strip clubs close.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:It would seem the landlord of that building never wants to rent it out to another business if he sends police to kick everyone out during their busiest hours on a weekend. I sure as heck wouldn't want to rent from him.

What, exactly, do you expect the building's owner to do if the restaurant wouldn't leave willingly?

the_rhino:You guys saying you won't pay are awfully self-entitled. You didn't get the experience you wanted? You went there, the waitstaff took your order, delivered your food, and cleared your place- that is the restaurant "experience". Do you not pay for your items when you go shopping and the experience isn't as depicted on a commercial? Where is the line drawn? "Gee, I don't like how the country is being run, I'm not paying taxes!" "The lions at the zoo didn't perform a song and dance routine, I'm demanding a refund!" "The cable went out for a few hours today, I'm not paying the bill when it comes due!"

If I didn't order my food to go I'm not paying for food that will be cold before I get to eat. If the cops make me pay I'll put it on my card, sign it "under duress" and file for a chargeback the next day.

Misconduc:Pincy: fnordfocus: Dragonflew: Uh, no. There would be no way in hell I would pay.

Presumably, that's why the cops were there?

Ya, a real dick move.

So you received your food, and they offer take out trays because they are closing and the staff are losing their jobs and you want to say you won't pay? such a titty baby grow up.

So I'm only in town for the day and have a three hour drive back home after I have dinner with a group of friends at this nice little restaurant and although we ordered over 30 minutes ago and haven't received our food yet all of a sudden the police show up and the manager comes to our table and says I will be given my dinner in a to go box and must pay for it with the implied threat that I'll be arrested for skipping out on the bill if I don't. So now I have to eat my steak dinner in the car. And I guess I don't get my free refills of coke either, even though I paid for that as well. But that seems fair.

Ha! I've eaten at that restaurant...and wasn't impressed. I was surprised they didn't establish themselves in uptown Charlotte instead of in a crappy little shopping center in Matthews. If they served better than average food instead of relying on a mini-brewery being visible through a glass wall as an attraction that might have helped too.

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman:It would seem the landlord of that building never wants to rent it out to another business if he sends police to kick everyone out during their busiest hours on a weekend. I sure as heck wouldn't want to rent from him.

Where are you getting the idea that the landlord shut the place down in the middle of service?

Mock26:Tom_Slick: jclaggett: BumpInTheNight: What kind of asshole doesn't warn their own employees about something like this and what kind of asshole decides the best time to drop this axe is during business hours. And then: What kind of asshole doesn't report either the management's names or the building owner? A lot of assholes in this story.

This is a common way restaurants and bars close it would seem. If you warn the staff ahead of time, they have time to clean the place out.

Pretty much this, the bar would be looted the freezer would be trashed and the dining room would be ransacked.

True, but why tell them in them middle of service? Tell them after the restaurant closes and they are walking out the door.