Liberals Believe That Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist:

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please
stop spreading disinformation.

It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to
EX-felons (people that have served their time).

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please
stop spreading disinformation.

It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to
EX-felons (people that have served their time).

If it was me, I would REQUIRE more than voter ID, I would DEMAND proof that the citizen is informed and casting a vote based on issues and
concerns....not celebrity status and popularity. Of course, that will never happen since it could be abused to shut out citizens. Voter ID is the best
we can do.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx

Good thing it isn't up to you. The last thing we need are more hypocritical self-righteous people telling people what they can and cannot
do.

Did I say that we SHOULD do that? I recognize my self-righteous attitude, and the possibility that such a thing might discriminate. So you SHOULD be
glad it isn't me that makes the policy.

I still believe that uninformed people should not vote, but that is something that cannot be verified, so that is something we as a nation have to
accept. But UNIDENTIFIED people should not be allowed to vote, and this is something we CAN verify. And I feel the voter ID should be supplemented
with other policies to guarantee the integrity of the absentee ballots and the registration process.

Funny, I was talking with an immigrant today, from south of here (legal - working toward citizenship). Very strong liberal ideas. Very much in support
of immigration reforms. And itching for the day that he can legally vote in his new home country.

But also very questioning of the opposition to voter ID; couldn't figure out why it was opposed so much. It is only common sense that a function that
is so important to our nation should be protected from subversion. This should be a concern to all citizens of whatever political persuasion, as not
securing our elective process can open the door to subversion by any party that is able to commit the most fraud.

It is a battle between those that support a nation of laws, and those that support anarchy, and this is a small sample of that battle, hidden under
politics and racism. But it is neither.

I stand with the legal. IF that is self-righteous, then so be it.

edit on 17-8-2012 by lakesidepark because: but if I made the laws....well be
glad I don't.

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I would like to take a moment to point something out to the uninformed that keep saying felons are ineligible to vote. This is patently false, please
stop spreading disinformation.

It is absoliutely TRUE. You refer to EX-felons. If you are a FELON, then you are in prison. Everything you cite is restoring voting rights to
EX-felons (people that have served their time).

Ex-Felon.

another deflection codeword.

Why don't you elaborate? Are you one of those that think there is something hidden in every term? Are you suggesting more than what I said? If so,
then SAY it so the point can be argued or rebutted, don't just throw out some vague accusation that makes suggestions based on YOUR bias of the term.
Another tactic used to discredit positions with which you disagree, without actually doing the name-calling yourself.. 'Deflection Codeword" is just
another way of accusing someone of racism, bigotry, and all other matters of discrimination, and that is NOT what I said or what I support. So,
elaborate, say what you mean so we can see where YOU stand....

FYI I am NOT opposed to ex-felons (except for high crimes of violence) being able to vote. The ex-felon may have some insight into what needs to be
changed about the system. They have served their time and paid their price, they should have their rights restored. No problem there.

No you are Felon in prison or not when you are convicted of a felony. This follows you for life unless you have your record expunged or are granted an
executive pardon/clemency. You are considered an ex-con when you are released from prison. ex-con as in ex-convict (not being snide, just being
clear.)

Are you slow? If this was a REAL PROBLEM, why did they wait until 2 months before election to "reform" things and call for a voter ID card? Why not
2 years ago? That way EVERY citizen can have enough time, be informed, and get registered. Why 2 months before election? Or at all?

Well, to make sure some votes ARE NOT COUNTED this election in two months. The votes of minorities, busy, hard working, middle class, and lower class
citizens..the ones that wouldn't take time off to go through this pain in the ass step just to vote.

There is less than ONE CASE per state! But how many voters would forget, not get around to it, not hear about the change until the day they go to
vote, or just too busy to do it?

THOUSANDS. Thousands of votes would not count. That is their goal. They know it, we know it. Stop lying.

yeah well rebublicans,democrates and all others including liberals think democercy exsists when are you going to write a thread about that?

I don't understand this thread. Both the Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin.
Yes there is voter fraud, happens often, but there will always be those that have opposing views on it when it's a matter of getting someone they
want elected into office. No matter the political label.

i was pointing out that modern government is controlled by a few yet they have made us believe that we(the rest) have a say and even go as far to have
elections, its all game and we are losing despite are numbers, the thing is most of the peasant are distracted by Hollywood, internet, tv, fake news,
cellphones, and jersey shore, if we all woke up we could be winning

Are you slow? If this was a REAL PROBLEM, why did they wait until 2 months before election to "reform" things and call for a voter ID card? Why not
2 years ago? That way EVERY citizen can have enough time, be informed, and get registered. Why 2 months before election? Or at all?

Are you living a sheltered life? Don't keep up with news? This effort has been going on for more than two months (at least). The federal government
interceded in several cases where it was being proposed, and the federal government (i.e. Eric Holder) stopped a few states (the largest being
Florida) from purging their voter records of non-citizens and dead citizens. Some of the voter ID proposals were made as early as last year. It has
been discussed intensely since the last election. Maybe it took you up to two months before the election to hear about it....but it didn't happen
yesterday!

If it was a REAL problem, it couldn't be corrected until people could see the dangers of it. After electing our first socialist president, and seeing
the stunts he has puilled with his end runs around the legislative process to implement his unknown agenda, it took two years to turn over enough
State houses for the local governments to have the votes in their legislatures to even bring it up for discussion. Another year to bring these
proposals up for vote. More time after that to battle DOJ (specifically the comtemptable, or better yet, PRE-Felon Eric Holder). obstructionism (who
FYI, is the only one listed here that supports voter suppression - by new black panthers at polling places).

So, thousands of people (you say) won't pay attention and just show up to vote without ID (I guess they won't be driving there, and don't have a TV
at home, and don't read newspapers or listen to any news on the radio) and therefore will be disenfranchised. If that is so....those people are too
uninformed to vote, another goal accomplished.

No lie. No hidden agenda from me. I made it clear that I believe uninformed voters should not be voting. They got two months to get their ID. I
suggest they get busy.

Ex-felon has been a tern used to identify those that are convicted of, and have served their time for, a felony. It is a common and correct term.

It is the term used in all of the legislation written to restore their voting rights. This term has been in use at least as far back as the 70's
(from my memory from debating the topic of ex-felon voting rights, as part of the larger resolution of that year, in school).

Either way, you know what I mean and the debate over the term is semantics and not pertinent to the topic at hand. And the insinuation you made
suggests that I don't support the voting rights of ex-felons, and that is incorrect. After they have served their time, their rights should be
restored. And if they want to used their expired prison ID to vote, that's OK with me too (it has a picture and has been verified by the state). Much
like the elderly can use their expired driver's licenses as ID in many of the voter ID proposals.

If Republicans are less wealthy than Democrats, why do they consistently vote and rally against their own interests?

Why the billionaire cult?

Maybe...because...they believe in the capitalist system, and dream of being a part of it, or making their children a part of it, and are not envious
of those that have suceeded, and don't want to see the system destroyed before they get their chance.

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