Bontesla:Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.Given that he left a manifesto.Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

Alonjar:sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)

Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens. The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen. He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night. He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land. Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway. He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck. Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family. For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe. All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted. The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

There is no excuse for what this guy is doing. None. He is a monster. And I find it somewhat appalling that he is being turned into a folk hero.

With that said the LAPD has been a problem for decades. Scandal after scandal. The fact that people are even cheering this guy on shows a deep disrespect and distrust for them. When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

IamKaiserSoze!!!:tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that. He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.

I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.

Good on you though for working so hard for your fark counterculture merit badge.

This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.

You met cops? individuals are much smarted than the collective.

YES, police act like idiots too, and with much more frequency than should be tolerated.

doglover:Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.Given that he left a manifesto.Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

doglover:Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.Given that he left a manifesto.Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

He's on the run but the LAPD are also trying to kill him. This isn't remotely conclusive.

The manifesto isn't a confession of murder and thus isn't evidence for or against murder.

One person connected to someone named in the manifesto has been killed. In a parking lot in a nearby town. So, again, that's not remotely conclusive.

You've told a story given a certain set of facts. That story is the same one being told by an organization accused of illegal activity.

Unless he's convicted, in a court or law, I think it's fair to withhold judgment.

Cerebral Knievel:So, what upcoming "an innocent man, who knows to much and is now being hunted by a corrupt system that must silence him at costs and needs to find the real killer to clear his name" movie is this a viral marketing campaign for?

ItchyMcDoogle:There is no excuse for what this guy is doing. None. He is a monster. And I find it somewhat appalling that he is being turned into a folk hero.

With that said the LAPD has been a problem for decades. Scandal after scandal. The fact that people are even cheering this guy on shows a deep disrespect and distrust for them. When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

The LAPD look so dumb.. Shooting up innocents. Then they re-opened the case.. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner. Then they have the stupidity to say "we're not re-opening it for Dorner but for the public".. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner..

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

ItchyMcDoogle:When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

Anytime you use the word "justice" when referring to anything in the legal system, it's hubris. There is no justice inherent in any part of America's legal system. It's a system of rules and punishments for breaking said rules coupled with mechanisms to enforce the system on those who are unwilling to cooperate peacefully. It is not, however, justice.

Justice can be had if you do the right things, grease the right palms, and go to temple with enough of the right lawyers to either afford them or get a freebie. But much like extrajudicial justice, you can't really get it without heroic efforts on your part. The closest thing the legal system has to justice is the death penalty, and even that's so slow it's hardly worth it.

But then, justice doesn't really make things right, it just makes things even. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" I believe is the saying.

Never call courts, lawyers, police, or judges "Justice". It's "Law". Law is important, vital even, to the success of a nation, but it is not justice and you're going to make bad assumptions about your chances playing with that fire if you mix the two words up in your head.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.

Hermione_Granger:If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

I wonder if they meant to put "suspected killed" in both photo captions or if it was a repeated Freudian typo.

Also, re: LAPD reopening his case, I read somewhere that if it's an open case the documentation may be exempt from FOI requests. If that's true, reopening it may just be LAPD's way of making an end run around Dorner's plea to the media to look into it.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.

I mod on a live telly show place. its not fun, half the time. The other half- its boring. Anyone who wants to modmin anything is a bit off. No offense meant to Fark folks, but, they already know that they are a bit off, so ...

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.

and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning. http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-newspapers-then-caught-in-a-hai l -of-lapd-bullets/#axzz2KTSh2cbT

"To protect and Serve" my ass.

I was thinking the Wanted Suspects posting would be them. Weird.

Have they posted the Wanted pictures of the armed gang members that shot those two women, anywhere else, yet?

HindiDiscoMonster:Cerebral Knievel: So, what upcoming "an innocent man, who knows to much and is now being hunted by a corrupt system that must silence him at costs and needs to find the real killer to clear his name" movie is this a viral marketing campaign for?

I heard they are looking at him for the role...[3.bp.blogspot.com image 505x604]

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

Alonjar:sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)

Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens. The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen. He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night. He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land. Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway. He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck. Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family. For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe. All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted. The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

Enemabag Jones:There has been some sort of gang war looking for an informant, and for second time someone has been shot at due to confusion. Luckily nobody has died.

Jesus Christ, that's insane. Police stop a small white dude when they are looking for a large black dude, and ask him a bunch of questions because he was driving a similar vehicle. Dude is obviously not the droids they are looking for so why even bother asking him questions about where he is going and what he is doing? And then a 2nd cop slams his cruiser into his truck because "he was coming right at us"? Seems to me the cop was coming right at him.

And yet not one Goddamn thing will happen to the cops who pull this shiat. Shooting at every Nissan truck you see because the bad guy *might* be in it? Wounding civilans and making no attempt to make sure of the target? How the fark can they be allowed to do this shiat?

Is someone is *actively* trying to kill me. Say they are shooting at me, and I return fire, and one of my bullets misses and injures an innocent person, I am held responsible. Criminal and cival penalties all around. Doesn't matter that it was the other guy trying to kill me that forced me to respond. But if a cop goes "Hey, the killer was driving a black Ford F-150, and there is someone in a green Toyota Tundra, better empty three mags into it as it drives by and force it off the road into a ditch with my cruiser, and then shoot some more, just in case" He is found to "have acted in accordance with dept policy"

There seems to be a greater amount of derp in this thread than in most others on Fark.

I don't know how this plays out for Dorner, whether his course of action will do more harm than good in ending police corruption, what's the truth in his dismissal and complaints against LAPD, etc.

But America has a real problem with corruption and injustice in all of its institutions, and it's especially bad within law enforcement. Police departments, both rural and urban, have officers who abuse their authority and are every bit the criminals that the police are supposed to protect us from. Someone could spend weeks watching all of the YouTube videos of incidents of police brutality and general thuggery.

And those videos represent merely a tiny fraction of the abuses...just the ones in which luck allowed a recording device to be present.

It's well past time for the federal government to become involved in cleaning up our police departments and we should demand that cleaning up the police becomes a major initiative from the Obama Administration.

IntertubeUser:There seems to be a greater amount of derp in this thread than in most others on Fark.

I don't know how this plays out for Dorner, whether his course of action will do more harm than good in ending police corruption, what's the truth in his dismissal and complaints against LAPD, etc.

But America has a real problem with corruption and injustice in all of its institutions, and it's especially bad within law enforcement. Police departments, both rural and urban, have officers who abuse their authority and are every bit the criminals that the police are supposed to protect us from. Someone could spend weeks watching all of the YouTube videos of incidents of police brutality and general thuggery.

And those videos represent merely a tiny fraction of the abuses...just the ones in which luck allowed a recording device to be present.

It's well past time for the federal government to become involved in cleaning up our police departments and we should demand that cleaning up the police becomes a major initiative from the Obama Administration.

The problem is that is a bunch of corrupt assholes `cleaning up' a bunch of corrupt assholes.. You're just going to be left with the same shiat unfortunately.