A new 180 11x Roc will fill that spot, but the buzzz is just butter... perfect midrange driver. My Z-Buzzz is just breaking in enough to turn over oh so gently after 2 months of play. Now that im becoming better at my Rocs though, it seems it may have to go to the back of the truck...

i have nvr liked the buzzz but ive only tried it in z and x plastic and typically i like my mids in d or dx so that may be y. u could always try the cobra though its a solid mid and the classic cobra flies super long

I am not a roc person, but those that are say my buzz is like a beat roc. I had a d buzz and gave it away after it beat up, the dummy that I am, I wasn't thinking that I know had a right turn midrange.

One of the reasons I like the buzz is that they don't seem to require as much height as other midranges, so I can throw right at the target.

If you decide to go the buzz route, see if you can find any midnight buzzes; they are slightly more overstable than a regular release buzz.

Ive thrown alot of rocs and just would like to explore other discs, I loved my spider and unless its super windy perfer a larger diameter disc. I know I will probably just stick with my buzzz's Im just interested in the element/element x a bit. I geuss I will just try em and hold on to my buzzz's

Thatdirtykid wrote:Ive thrown alot of rocs and just would like to explore other discs, I loved my spider and unless its super windy perfer a larger diameter disc. I know I will probably just stick with my buzzz's Im just interested in the element/element x a bit. I geuss I will just try em and hold on to my buzzz's

The S Elements are pretty understable. They hold a really nice anhyzer line when turned over a bit with very little fade. They roll well, too. The E Elements are understable as well, but not as much as the S's. They're super straight when thrown with a hyzer flip. With either one you can let up on them a bit and they'll still fly well. One time I was throwing on a hole listed as 400' (I'm guessing it was fairly accurate since it was flat and straight) with a pretty hefty taliwind. The three discs I had that were the closest to the pin (within 10') were the X Avenger, Champion Viking and E Element. That Element just kept on going. I had a hard enough time beliving that I could get my other discs out that far and I was blown away when I saw how far the Element went.

I haven't tried the newer E Element-Xs, but so far my favorite has been the S Element-X. What I really like about them is how they feel in my hand. Rocs just don't feel right to me.

It may just be me, but I haven't liked the H version of either of those discs. They're too domey, feel kind of slippery to me and I find them harder to control. They look really cool, though. The colors are very vivid.

From what I've heard about the Medius it sounds more like a Hybrid than either Element.

I'm a buzz guy. I've thrown a few rocs, but they have so many molds of that disc (KC pro roc, classic roc etc) that I don't see how they still call them all the same name. I love the neutral flight path of the buzz, and I can throw it with full power and not turn it over. Buzzes are also very consistent from disc to disc.

BTW, I think the spider deserves a spot in this thread. If there were no buzzes, this would be my go-to midrange.

if the wether was better I would be able to meet you at lighthouse (you live closer to there dont you) some time im in denver (im at school in greeley). The spider is probably gone, i threw it from the pro tee while there was still alot of ice (ive always wanted to throw a midrange from the pro tee, the ice gave me a feeling it wouldnt go under...) it slid to the holein the middle.

to me, a buzz is like a new roc, for me to get max D, i need a giant anhyzer flight path with a fade in the end. The more beat in a roc is, the further it will go for me. I'm consistantly driving my Rocs out to 40' behind my drives and it's more predictable than my drives. I think I like Rocs too much