Time for another discussion, this one is for heuffelii 'Apache'.
Let the talk begin.

tcstoehr said:
I saw Lynn's 'Apache' yesterday and it was solid red. I wonder if mine will ever be. Time will tell.

JungleShadows said:Lynn,
Tim's plant looks more like the Apache I knew as a kid, which was then just listed as #1. It never looked that big or red for me back in MA.

Belcore was the other one that Helen named. It is more of a flattened shape and much less intense markings.

Could these have gotten mixed up in the trade somewhere?

Kevin

ricos said:Yes anything can get mixed up "in the trade" and those heuffs have been around for a year or 2 So glad you are around Kevin and have a good memory. I got Apache from Cynda and it is super dark and blooming right now.
HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE

Kevin, I got it from SMG. It has always been on the dark side. At that time I didn't have many things to get mixed up in the bed. It looked like this as a youngster and morphed from there.
When I got it in 2010:

Here is the German site. I see a photo by Howard Wills, what a beautiful rosette. Has any of ours ever looked like this? http://sempervivum-liste.de/Jo...
Trixi (Bodmeier) looks to be the same as Howard's.

Whatever it is, it is an outstanding heuff cultivar. Don't pitch it. I definitely think it would be worth using as a parent and can see some good kids with Clown in the offing.

When you first were telling me how wonderful Apache was I was remembering back to the old days and while it's nice, it was not in the league of the things that Bill Nixon and David Ford created using these cultivars and others. Apache is a better grower than many though.

I don't know what happened to Helen's heuff #2 but I know all the stock went to Shirley Rempel and eventually to SMG. You almost wonder if somewhere in there when it was just labeled #1 and #2 that the confusion began.

Polly and I had it from Sandy MacPherson, which is where Helen got them too. These may go back to Sanford or Purdy even. Helen decided that they needed a name although oddly #2 didn't get a name although #1 and 3 did!

Agreed that yours looks correct. It reminds me of the one I knew as a youth.

Have gotten a couple of days of crossing in. Boy, Lion King has such beautiful fluffy golden pollen. I'm not sure Bunny Girl and Yukon Snow will be happy to have babies with that behemoth though! Also got some crosses with Borscht, Jabba the Hutt, and one to be named Black Lotus that could be fun too. Have already mentally saw the resulting seedlings.....

This hot and dry weather has been hard on the plants. Most have lost color although the ones in the shade are doing better.

Hello Kevin,
Saw these comments and interesting remarks about plants that I have never attempted in any past gardening of my own. Wish you were in Massachusetts as you had been when our parents would visit each other when we were kids. I am the only one who in my immediate family still genuinely loves the beauty and fascination of flowers and related garden topics similar to my own Mom (miss her and your Dad and Mom of course). I know if you lived in Massachusetts now, I would want to make up for all the missed opportunities to get time to see you and to appreciate your love of plants and music and all the knowledge you have in these areas. So proud of all that you accomplished through the years and hope to see you and your brother if you are here visiting the East coast again soon. You truly are a dedicated plant man who carries so much knowledge in these fields. Love you cousin,
Debbie P.