Humanist Counter-Theory in the Age of Misandry

MRM history quiz

Improve your MRQ with this quick quiz. There are 16 questions in total (on 10 different topics). All answers are given below, so if you score dismally now – at the “Rad-fem Hub-ber” level – you will quickly achieve the knowledge needed for a perfect score – ranking as an “Intolerable patriarchal oppressor who must be silenced.”

Questions

1) a) In what year was important early men’s rights book, The Legal Subjection of Men, published? b) Name the author as stated in the first edition.

2) “A Word for Men’s Rights,” a lengthy article published in a major United States by an anonymous author and (at present) the earliest known writing on the rights of males was published in what year?

3) a) The anti-male scam, widespread in the United States, whereby a breach of promise lawsuit was filed by a woman who had premeditatedly entrapped a man to make a marriage proposal in writing – a marriage the woman never intended to go through with used to defraud men – was popularly known under what name when it was made illegal through legislation? b) In what year did the first state ban it?; c) Who sponsored the legislation?

4) a) In what year did two prominent judges (from Chicago and New York City) create a national sensation by declaring publicly that alimony was predominantly being used as a racket by predatory women? b) What were the names of these judges?

5) What was the term used to describe women who married U. S. servicemen before they were sent overseas for the purpose of receiving the husbands’ allotment checks, often involving bigamy on the part of the predatory wife, often with the hope and expectation that the husband would die in battle?

6) Women who were child care providers specializing in caring for infants who were either – placed temporarily by widowers or parents in difficult circumstances, by mothers wishing to have illegitimate children adopted out, parent’s of illegitimate children who wished the caretaker to get rid of the child by any means necessary – were known under what name from the 19th century to the mid-20th century? These women were often serial killers of children and in many cases serial killers of adults as well.

7) a) The first formal men’s rights organization (devoted exclusively to promoting the rights of males) was founded in what year? b) By whom?

8) What important activist made the following public statement regarding alimony? “Blackmail, that’s what it amounts to. I’m willing to sacrifice my life if need be to draw attention to the plight of victims of an iniquitous industry which has the sanction of the courts.”

9) Before the term “Parental Ailenation Syndrome” began to be used in the 1980s, the phenomenon was known in the legal system as simple “alienation” or “poisoning the child’s mind” and other variants. State the decade in which the earliest known court case dealing with this issue occurred.

10) Two early female judges in the United States made national news for speaking out about the dangers of chivalry justice as practiced by all-male juries and vowed to reform this practice. a) In what year were these public pronouncements made? b) Name the two lady judges.

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SCORING (number of correct answers out of 16):

0 – Rad-fem Hub-ber

2 – “Conscious Male” (translation: “unconscious mangina”)

4 – Borderline mangina (or, “good man,” “good dog”)

6 – Still wet-behind-the-ears MRA

8 – MRA cadet

10 – Battle-ready MRA

13 – MRA officer corps

16 – Intolerable patriarchal oppressor who must be silenced

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ANSWER SHEET:

Question:

1) a) In what year was important early men’s rights book, The Legal Subjection of Men, published? b) Name the author as stated in the first edition.

Answer:

1 a) 1896

1 b) The authorship was anonymous, named as “Two Barristers.” Ernest Belfort Bax’s contribution to the book was minor compared with his co-author, whose name at present remains unknown. Bax’s own 1913 book, The Fraud of Feminism, is available free online.

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Question:

2) “A Word for Men’s Rights,” a lengthy article published in a major United States by an anonymous author and (at present) the earliest known writing on the rights of males was published in what year?

Answer:

Answer: 1856, February. It was published in Putnam’s Monthly. Full text is here

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Question:

3) a) The anti-male scam, widespread in the United States, whereby a breach of promise lawsuit was filed by a woman who had premeditatedly entrapped a man to make a marriage proposal in writing – a marriage the woman never intended to go through with used to defraud men – was popularly known under what name when it was made illegal through legislation? b) In what year did the first state ban it?; c) Who sponsored the legislation?

4) a) In what year did two prominent judges (from Chicago and New York City) create a national sensation by declaring publicly that alimony was predominantly being used as a racket by predatory women? b) What were the names of these judges?

5) What was the term used to describe women who married U. S. servicemen before they were sent overseas for the purpose of receiving the husbands’ allotment checks, often involving bigamy on the part of the predatory wife, often with the hope and expectation that the husband would die in battle?

Answer:

5) “Allotment Annies.” Although the term originated during World War II, carrying on in currency through the Korean War, the scam was well-known during World War I, when one judge dubbed the predators “war-marriage vampires.”

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Question:

6) Women who were child care providers specializing in caring for infants who were either – placed temporarily by widowers or parents in difficult circumstances, by mothers wishing to have illegitimate children adopted out, parent’s of illegitimate children who wished the caretaker to get rid of the child by any means necessary – were known under what name from the 19th century to the mid-20th century? These women were often serial killers of children and in many cases serial killers of adults as well.

Answer:

6) “Baby Farmers.” A number of baby farmers were executed for murdering children, but none were successfully prosecuted in the United States and Canada. Several cases involved hundreds of victims. At least two involved 1,000 or more. Sometimes a baby farmer serial killers have male accomplices, but most did not

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Question:

7) a) The first formal men’s rights organization (devoted exclusively to promoting the rights of males) was founded in what year? b) By whom?

8) What important activist made the following public statement regarding alimony? “Blackmail, that’s what it amounts to. I’m willing to sacrifice my life if need be to draw attention to the plight of victims of an iniquitous industry which has the sanction of the courts.”

9) Before the term “Parental Ailenation Syndrome” began to be used in the 1980s, the phenomenon was known in the legal system as simple “alienation” or “poisoning the child’s mind” and other variants. State the decade in which the earliest known court case dealing with this issue occurred.

10) Two early female judges in the United States made national news for speaking out about the dangers of chivalry justice as practiced by all-male juries and vowed to reform this practice. a) In what year were these public pronouncements made? b) Name the two lady judges.

About Robert St. Estephe

Robert St. Estephe is a deeply repentant former male feminist who has devoted a bit of time to the study of the history of the relations between the sexes. He posts useful historical documents on The Unknown History of Misandry for all to see.

This is an early call for manuscripts. AVFM Education, LLC is opening a publishing house in the near future. Zeta Press (under construction) will house a wide range of literature addressing issues faced by men and boys. It will include literature not acceptable for mainstream sensibilities, which means it is the stuff you want to read. It will also host an array of other interesting nonfiction and fiction offerings.

Simply put, we want to build the red pill library from hell.

We have agreed to contract with a highly experienced editing team and will provide cover art graphics for those who desire it.

Our contract with authors will be very competitive. We will provide you with extras like an editing progress account (RT) that allows you ongoing communication during the editing process and automated...

This is an early call for manuscripts. AVFM Education, LLC is opening a publishing house in the near future. Zeta Press (under construction) will house a wide range of literature addressing issues faced by men and boys. It will include literature not acceptable for mainstream sensibilities, which means it is the stuff you want to read. It will also host an array of other interesting nonfiction and fiction offerings.

Simply put, we want to build the red pill library from hell.

We have agreed to contract with a highly experienced editing team and will provide cover art graphics for those who desire it.

Our contract with authors will be very competitive. We will provide you with extras like an editing progress account (RT) that allows you ongoing communication during the editing process and automated...

I didn’t know any of the answers, and I’ve read: Farrell, Baskerville, etc. But I don’t feel bad. One thing that is emblematic of the MRM (and the historical oppression of males) is the covering up of the historical oppression of males. :-/

I did not know them either, but I am glad for the opportunity to learn a little. BTW, sent you a PM

Bubbles

I’ve been overwhelmed by AVfM’s efforts lately. It’s humbling and inspiring. I’m just so glad to be among the awake. As warm and sincere as words can be, thank you all!

Robert St. Estephe

Thanks.

Please take one quiz fact and spread it far and wide using your favored method whatever it might be.

We are “littering” the world with poster facts. Let’s also “litter” the internet with the proof that the “backlash” is a myth, and that our struggle predates the 1960s plague of the university and bureaucracy-based parasites (the professional misandrists).

Tawil

Scratches head. I didn’t know any of them….. guess I must be a radfem hub-ber.

Go figure.

Hopefully I’ll retain a few of these interesting facts and be on my way to being an MRA.

Z

Guess I gotta little work to do,
if I’m gonna get me one of them
patriarchal oppressor badges.

Oppression,
it’s in my blood.

Rper1959

Having studied the Unknown History of Misandry , I was familiar with most of the items, but put a name or date to them I could not , I will hang the Q & A’s on the back of the dunny door to study in those quiet moments( too much information I know!) , not sure how long it will stay there though!

http://www.manwomanmyth.com/ manwomanmyth

Drawing attention to these sorts of historical gems is an excellent methodology. For me, the White Feather campaign is the phenomenon that most clearly illustrates the capability of women that has largely been airbrushed from history and that as many men as possible should become intimately acquainted with.

http://mrathunderinthehammer.blogspot.com/ Dannyboy

Robert St. Estephe,
I have to admit that I was lost in this quiz and considered myself a decent MRA’er.
You are the mac daddy when it comes to the history part of the movement, and you have my debt of gratitude for that.
We need you to start teaching this in Universities across the globe.
Thanks for your diligent work.

Robert St. Estephe

I have shocking news for you. AVfM IS “universities across the globe.” The only way to prepare ourselves to teach others is for us to discuss the materials amongst ourselves first. If we passively wait for the State to decide to teach this history it will never happen (or, at best it will be cherry picked, co-opted and denatured).

Not until we see a number of MRMs discuss, for example, the merits and demerits of the two points of view following the schism of the Liga (founded by Hoeberth) will the MRM be able to demonstrate that it has decided to no longer allow the opposition to set the terms of debate. What I mean by this is that the “backlash” meme is hugely influential, important and demonstrably wrong — if only we decide to challenge it, by realizing we must eradicate the notion that the issues of the MRM are merely responses to the 1960s. We will kill the “backlash” myth only when we decide to aggressively publicize, analyze, criticize, commemorate our early history within our chats, comments and blogs. The MRM is, at present, like a black civil rights group that is waiting for caucasians to teach them about DuBois, Garvey, King, Malcolm X and Medgar Evars.

An MRA might quibble: “But Hoeberth, Reid and the others failed. They did not permanently completely reform misandric institutions.” True. Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Medgar Evars were all murdered before their goals were even fractionally realized, but that fact does not paralyze the minds of those today engaged today in self-liberation efforts. No movement can succeed if it is paralyzed with ahistoricity and the mindset of passively waiting for outsiders to un-paralyze us. Impossible!

Freedom is not handed out on a silver platter. If we do not fight back in a disciplined manner, the state of a affairs we have now, will, in 10 years, seem like a paradise. This not a “feeling” I have. It is backed by copious evidence. The gov’t is just getting started in its design to use feminism (and other forms of cultural marxism, and monetary policy, UN treaties) as the perfect tool of authoritarianism.

History is not a luxury. It is a necessary and powerful tool — but only when properly used.

It is mandatory that we eradicate the “backlash” myth. Now!

http://www.deanesmay.com Dean Esmay

I believe you’re right. I thought we started with the likes of Warren Farrel and the sadly-missed Asa Baber. I was wrong.

We need to get your material into the new wiki we’re working on, where we plan on putting a lot of other material. Perhaps you’d be interested in helping?

by_the_sword

Another layer of the onion is revealed…

Robert St. Estephe

Help? Yes. Cannot, however, do the work for others. The material on UHoM is not always easy to evaluate. I will always be happy to advise.

There is always a danger in STORING information so that others feel secure it always there when they need it but they never get around to using it.

I suppose I might make a bold request. Let’s see how long it takes us to get the name “Sigurd Hoeberth” to appear (within at least a brief discussion of his actions, words, etc. with some amount, if limited evaluation of such) in 100 posts (blog, extended comment, chat post). Posts could be of many types: informative, or, critical, or, comparative, or, parsing out the good parts and bad parts of Hoeberth’s views and actions, speculations on the demise of the org, comments on international aspects of the org. (the French connection!) personal impression of awakening to the historical info, or, explanation of why one thinks St. Estephe is full of tampons by thinking this old stuff matters.

Look at it this way: choose a movement (civil rights, India’s independence, apartheid, etc.) and then decide hypothetically what you would of thought of its future under the condition that (in the internet age) you could not expect to see the aforementioned 100 posts come forth in a reasonably short period of time.

Further: In Vienna there are libraries containing information on Hoeberth’s Liga. Many newspaper articles, perhaps documents on incorporation, etc. He even published a newsletter (the forst MRA periodical in history: prototype for AVfM. Not until the subject becomes popular will some scholarly MRA get on down to the archives and did this stuff up (post online, find new photos to scan and put online, etc.)

Until this sort of thing happens we are more in the vein of a Baltimore Brewery Bottle Cap Collector’s Association than we are a movement.

So, I see it this way: Step 1) lively, frequent, multi-faceted, international conversation and debate over the pre-60s historical material; Step 2) critical mass of demand for such a wiki is created, then labor force for said wiki comes together naturally.

Getting the 100 post task started takes 20 minutes (or more depending on ambition) labor today and the goal will be reached based on MRA’s ambition to reach the goal.

If we can’t do this one little task then “Katie bar the door!” We need to just let the Swedish ladies boss us around and revert back to our TV sports and video games (when Mistress permits such activities, of course).

HERE is the photo that MUST go viral in other people’s blogs, posts, etc. Sigurd Hoeberth has to become a household name for MRAs.

Robert, (my mouse jumped and this should have been my reply to your reply on my comment)
Yes AVfM is the university for today, tomorrow I hope to see it as a course for men to take at all universities.

( I seem to remember some wise character mentioning how AVfM made physics professors out of MRA’s yes your words seem to stick in my head Paul, though I can’t remember what thread it was posted on)

I agree there can be a direct parallel drawn between the civil rights movement and the MRM.

The shit of it all, I find, is that we sat back and let it happen with white knighting and capitulation to unreasonable demands made by the feminist movement. This propelled it / them into a dictatorship for society at large.
Why the hell we ever let it get this far is beyond me.
You are absolutely right about freedom is not handed out on a silver platter. We forgot history’s examples and have let oppressive forces lead again. Its going to take a lot of work to set things right again.
As for letting the state do the job of providing this extremely important history lesson, forget it.
They have failed miserably on so many different levels its hard to know where to start.
For me it is with the feminist movement. If I live long enough to see the end of this war of intelligence and common sense I’d die a happy man.

Zerbu

Unfortunately I didn’t know any of these answers, but I do know almost everything about modern-day misandry, and the basics of the history of misandry.

by_the_sword

I scored at the “Vliet Tiptree” level. I have some studying to do.

Ragnar

Hey, there so much I do not know.

I’ve heard/read about the “Baby Farmers” and about “The Fraud of Feminism”. the latter is referenced somewhere on ‘Mancoat’ (think I learned about there).
This was not enough for me, though, to get any answers right, but thanks anyway.

Robert St. Estephe

The cost for me to get a 100% score has been thousands of hours of research. The “quiz” was of course designed not to text, but to teach — and even more importantly, to underscore how our movement has a gaping hole in it the size of an over-serviced “you know what.”

Nobody was expected top “pass” the “quiz.”

It would be a tragic consequence for the MRM if our core voices (AVfM writers and readers) should decide to merely consume the info rather than see it as a major part of our outreach as we communicate with fence-sitters (or most important audience, not the professional misandrists).

The MAJOR POINT the historical info proves is this: The MRM is absolutely NOT a backlash against “women’s advances since the 60s” (as the opposition propaganda claims). All (almost all) of the MRM issues were part of public dialog, and were actively fought against long before the 1960s (time of the rise of Marxist feminism as a cultural/institutional orthodoxy — primarily via Frankfurt School Marxist professors).

It is mandatory that we obliterate the “backlash” myth and argue vociferously that our movement is about “relations between the sexes” — and the relationship between males and government — that were all contested as long ago as the 19th century.

We need endless internet presence for the argument that the “backlash” is a myth — and that the proof of it is at our fingertips.

The “backlash” myth, as long as it remains believed by the general public, remains a a shackle.

Ending the “backlash” myth is a TOP priority because the prevalence myth means that the opposition decides the terms of argument that we are reacting to them (institutional marxist feminists), rather than to long-standing problems that a part of the larger culture (not their “property”).

Ragnar

Heh, my hunch was right.
I know I’m pretty well versed in “newer” MM history and has at least some knowledge of the older parts.
Here comes a quiz of MM history with stuff I barely or never heard of . . . , that smells fishy, must be some other reason . . . !

I am doing my best to try to convince everybody to help establish some canonical historical points that we can use to influence “fence-sitters” to take the red pill. I do not think it is crazy for me to have the opinion that EVERY MRA needs to at least become familiar with the name “Sigurd Hoeberth.”

This can be achieved by repeated commenting, chatroom exchanges, blog posts, etc.

Try out asking some of your (real-life) acquaintances when they think the first MR org. was founded — and what its stated goals were. The answers and reactions you will get will inspire your thinking and give you new ideas on how to communicate our message.

Please help out in the effort to distribute the name “Sigurd Hoeberth” (and the date of founding of his organization: 1926) across cyberspace so that the public eventually will keep bumping into it.

This is a recruitment tool — and an easy-to-use deprogramming tool!

Ragnar

Thanks, I wont bore you with what I’m doing here in Denmark, but I think that I have directed some men to the Mens Movement english fora.
Years ago I was pretty “in your face” argumentative on feminism and marxsm. Stopped that long ago and simply tell people of marxism and it’s tool ‘feminism’ etc.
So I do what I can.
Furthermore “The Demographic Winter” is also something that concerns me, plus the totally excessive immigration that we struggle with. So I’m also supporting initiatives like the danish version of the English Defense Legue, the DDL. (You can find it on FB).
When I get older and weaker I might get to my reading list wich is allready very long.
Hope to find time for it all.

Tawil

Robert, I’m thankful to be able to absorb some of your hard work after unearthing and sharing these facts – facts we are enriched by and which show examples of misandry long before the 60s (in particular as it appeared in the USA). While you will get a 100% score on the information you yourself have researched, I’m sure there are MRAs who have knowledge of other aspects of the history we have not researched on which you and I would score equally poorly: eg. biological, ancient cultures, psychological, international comparisons, contemporary trends, and so on. There are many important threads. As everyone shares their special area of research on our subject we end up with a sense of many histories (plural), the sense of a multifacited subject. As these are all gathered together on sites like this the info will indeed form the basis of future university courses as someone suggested above.

History is an enormous subject and there is much learning to be done! Again, with thanks.

knightrunner

Wow. Extremely interesting. Im ashamed to say that I didn’t score well at all.
Thanks for posting this very informative article. Even if it did bring back some painful memories of big red letter “F” on some tests.

Robert St. Estephe

Were are all supposed to get an “F” on this. The point is that we NEED to claim our history by beginning to select some basic canonical points and them hammer them into every internet space we can get them in.

Even I deserve an “F” if I fail to inspire others to push some this info all over the internet.

— May the spirit of Sigurd Hoeberth be with you.

P.S. My new Avatar here (a bit crude alas) shows Samuel Reid photographed during his near-3-year long jail stay as he protested for men’s rights in the 1920s. Reid is another iconic figure whose fame MUST increase for the sake of waking up the public. Men’s Rights has a history! (if we want it to)

OneHundredPercentCotton

Answer:

5) “Allotment Annies.” Although the term originated during World War II, carrying on in currency through the Korean War, the scam was well-known during World War I, when one judge dubbed the predators “war-marriage vampires.

A girl I went to high school with bragged to me she had married THREE guys killed in Vietnam, and collected the $25,000 life insurance from their deaths. That was a LOT of money back then.

Robert St. Estephe

This is a topic for an article. Taking the anecdote you alluded to, relating it and then adding the historical context (WW I, WW II, Korea). You can publish it on AvfM and submit it to any number of military publications.

It will go over BIG TIME in military publications.

Please do not ignore my suggestion. This is the sort of ACTION (well-conceived article, place in the proper receptive (non-MRA) community) that can produce amazing results.

If you would ever like to write about that experience, I would be most happy to run it on this site. Very important stuff, this.

Truyardy

How vile and disgusting can one be to marry someone in hopes that they will die in battle?

chris3337

Agree with Robert, he should write the article it ll go down well anywhere , but definitley send a copy to NOW for publication.

Robert St. Estephe

Thanks for agreeing. But, I plead with you, just imagine we get to the point where we do not even think of arguing directly with the professional misandrists (except on rare necessary occasions), and put our energy into speaking to the broad public in the terms that will convince them, such as the article suggested here.

It took me a long time to get used (metaphorically speaking) to the freedom I have when I do not try to convince mommy to give me permission to talk to other boys and girls who I want to be fiends with. In such a scenario, mommy can hear about my new friends along the grapevine, cause I’ll be such a big boy I’ll be ready to let her figure out I’m in charge of the situation now.

Let us make the professional misandrists irrelevant by creating a dialog (infinitely more vital and compelling than their shopworn tirade) that will get the world’s attention. They are no longer the gatekeepers to the rhetoric. We are ready to bloom, to write movingly — and to posterize!

ActaNonVerba

Shaming language from MRA’s is lame just like shaming language from women.

Astrokid

what are you talking about? where do you see shaming language?
You aren’t talking about the below, are you? I see that as just humor.0 – Rad-fem Hub-ber
2 – “Conscious Male” (translation: “unconscious mangina”)
4 – Borderline mangina (or, “good man,” “good dog”)

GE

I quickly skimmed through ‘The Fraud of Feminism’. What an eye opener considering it was written ~ 100 years ago.

Robert St. Estephe

Do please take a couple of brief quotes from that text and stick ‘em all over the place (with link to the book).

This is an extremely effective form of activism: loading up the search engines, and reaching new people (especially fence-sitters) with still-overlooked truths.

The “backlash” fraud will be exposed and eradicated. Men’s Rights is not a post-1960s issue as the mainstream liars claim.

Kosh

Actually, the assumption in #2 is incorrect. The earliest known writing that I know of is called A Vindication of the Rights of Man, published by Mary Wollstonecraft (mother of Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, aka. Mary W. Shelley, author of Frankenstein) in 1790, 2 full years before her Vindication of the Rights of Woman, which I guess would make her the matriarch of both the MRM AND feminism. Ironic, no? BTW, BOTH of Bax’s MRM books are available online, downloadable through both eMule and uTorrent at the very least (both hosted by me). My score was conscious MRA (unconscious mangina).

Robert St. Estephe

Wollstonecraft’s pamphlet — A Vindication of the Rights of Men, in a Letter to the Right Honourable Edmund Burke; Occasioned by His Reflections on the Revolution in France (1790) — was using the term “men” to refer to all humans, and her subject was a critique of aristocracy in relation to commoners. She was not using the term “men” to describe the male sex in relation to the female sex.

“A Word for Men’s Rights” (1848) was a discussion of the rights of the male sex in relation to the rights of the female sex (responding to “women’s rights” issues, the major subject of public discussion in 1848 USA).

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