P.s. after fed demolishing him in Wimbledon I was surprised to see Murray rip him apart in the Olympics. For me I see the decline in Fed more evidenced in his in ability to stay in long rallies against the top 2 and also not converting Break points when he has them. Lost the killer instinct .......

When you say top 2 who are you referring to here? I'm pretty sure Fed and Djoker are the top 2!

Have you forgotten about the marathon match Fed played against Delpo in the semis at the Olympics? If you don't think that had any effect on Fed's performance then you're sorely mistaken. Unlike Djoker, who has this superhuman ability to come back after a marathon match and play another and win, Fed is actually human. So, the question is...since Murray had a cakewalk of a draw and a QF he could have played blindfolded, will Fed's long match against Tsonga have the same effect on him as the Delpo match? Alternately, some mught say Murray hasn't been tested and may be in for a rude awakening. I don't know. Maybe that will help even out the playing field a bit (that and the fact that Murray hasn't played on RLA at night yet).

In my opinion, and judging by what I've seen from both men, Federer will not get past Murray. Even if he did, it is out of the question for me that he would be Djokovic in the final. It sounds ridiculous to say about Federer, but I actually don't give him any chance at all. .

Yep, Fed must have all his voodoo dolls out tonight because if Djoko makes the final (and the chance he won't is low), Fed is done for regardless of the Murray match. Watching how he struggled to keep his serve against Tsonga, Djoko would have a field day!

Yep, Fed must have all his voodoo dolls out tonight because if Djoko makes the final (and the chance he won't is low), Fed is done for regardless of the Murray match. Watching how he struggled to keep his serve against Tsonga, Djoko would have a field day!

I agree Djoko is the fave if he meets Fed but I certainly wouldn't base the outcome on anything that happened vs. Tsonga. Tsonga is a completely different player from Djoker and Fed plays him quite differently too.

Yep, Fed must have all his voodoo dolls out tonight because if Djoko makes the final (and the chance he won't is low), Fed is done for regardless of the Murray match. Watching how he struggled to keep his serve against Tsonga, Djoko would have a field day!

From what I've seen, Federer can beat Djokovic if he serves at 75%. The Tsonga match was the only time in the whole tournament that he even looked mildly in trouble. Sure, Djokovic is the definite favorite but he's not Nadal at the French Open and is vulnerable. Anyway, Federer has to get through Murray first and needs to do that in 3 or 4 sets to be able to stand a chance against Djokovic.

No disrespect to Murray, but I think most people would say that guy has no clue what he's talking about. Even on this court I would give the edge to Roger if he played his A game for most of the match, and overall on all courts, it's even more pronounced IMHO. Problem is, Fed doesn't get there that often for that long these days.

This one is interesting. For me personally as a Murray fan, I go into their matches thinking the outcome depends solely on how Federer plays.

This is possibly the first time I feel it depends on Murray. Murray has taken pace off his serve and been slicing it and making a higher percentage. He hasn't been striking the ball very well, but he started to show signs of improvement against Chardy.

If he puts it together, I fancy him for this one. Anything less and Federer should come out on top.

at this stage its 50/50, fed didnt look that good yesterday, murray knows he needs to be aggresive with fed, not playing his pusher game, but whether he can bring it on is the question. and if he does, how long can he keep it up.

The Olympics Final at Wimbledon was the first match in which I saw Murray completely outplay federer in a best of 5 sets match. The best federer could manage was losing a 6-4 set. So federer would do well to try to lose a 7-5 or 7-6 set this time, or perhaps even win a set.

You do realize that was right after fed played a match that went 19-17 in the final set right? fed was deservedly gassed, and didn't really have a shot against a fresher murray even though it was on grass.

The only way fed can win the match tomorrow is if he gets out to a quick start. murray hasn't been tested once in this tournament and the only way roger has a chance is if he can frustrate him and get him on the ropes early. That isn't going to happen, and murray will walk away pretty easily in 3-4 sets. Kills me to say it.

You do realize that was right after fed played a match that went 19-17 in the final set right? fed was deservedly gassed, and didn't really have a shot against a fresher murray even though it was on grass.

The only way fed can win the match tomorrow is if he gets out to a quick start. murray hasn't been tested once in this tournament and the only way roger has a chance is if he can frustrate him and get him on the ropes early. That isn't going to happen, and murray will walk away pretty easily in 3-4 sets. Kills me to say it.

roger federer beat Del Potro 3-6 7-6 19-17, or equivalently, 3-6 7-6 7-6 6-7 6-4. A standard five-setter. And federer had the next day off to prepare for the final. At AustralianOpen2009, Nadal played a tougher 5-setter against Verdasco on his worst surface, the surface that is kryptonite for Nadal's knees, had the same amount of rest as federer, yet still has enough fight and passion for the game to beat federer in 5 sets in the final 7-5 3-6 7-6 3-6 6-2. federer doesn't have the same fight that Nadal has, so he folded easily to a hungrier Murray. Just shows that Wimbledon2012 was all about the roof and federer getting lucky. Because when Murray is playing OUTDOOR tennis, BOOM. Murray wins 6-2 6-1 6-4.

No way.. The courts are tailor made for a pusher and Murray is a different animal now then he was back in 2010 now that he has a slam under his belt
Murray in 3. 4 at the most. Murray can track all those shots down and force Fed into errors all day.

Plus its a semis, not a finals so Murray will be feeling less pressure

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying how can we possibly ever know.
You can say Federer has 17 slams and all these records and sublime skills but I've also seen Murray legitimately bagel Nadal for the loss of only 4 points in the set and Nadal said Murray was completely unplayable.
What I'm saying is would Federer's A game stand up to that.
Truth is we don't really know.

With Fed's A game, the only person I give a chance is Nadal on clay. It really doesn't matter otherwise, he's capable of destroying Djoker, Murray etc.

But of course, that Fed only shows up for maybe a few games in a match nowdays.

If Roger is to lose, I want to see him get beaten by superb play from Muzza, not because of stupid lapses and mistakes like wasting bp's and getting broken when leading 40-0, which as we all know Fed specializes in these days.

Basically, I want Muzza to earn it if he's to win, that will result in a nice match. Although of course I want Fed to win !!

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying how can we possibly ever know.
You can say Federer has 17 slams and all these records and sublime skills but I've also seen Murray legitimately bagel Nadal for the loss of only 4 points in the set and Nadal said Murray was completely unplayable.
What I'm saying is would Federer's A game stand up to that.
Truth is we don't really know.