I know I've seen it brought up, but again why in the hell wasn't Stuckey taking any shots at the end of the game? He was scoring at will, hitting jumpers, driving the lane. Then at the end I see Sheed shooting threes and AI shooting jumpers. I'm sure that wasn't what Curry wanted (I can only hope). I would love to see Stuckey get some end game love. I don't know if hes defering or Curry isn't calling his number, but he's clutch and when he has 30 points on over 50%FG I would love to see him taking some clutch shots at the end.

I know I've seen it brought up, but again why in the hell wasn't Stuckey taking any shots at the end of the game? He was scoring at will, hitting jumpers, driving the lane. Then at the end I see Sheed shooting threes and AI shooting jumpers. I'm sure that wasn't what Curry wanted (I can only hope). I would love to see Stuckey get some end game love. I don't know if hes defering or Curry isn't calling his number, but he's clutch and when he has 30 points on over 50%FG I would love to see him taking some clutch shots at the end.

And yes smallball is once again horrible..

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Because its Sheeds team and if he wants to take a volly of shots with the game on the line then he will do it.

Amir is very quickly becoming a big joke with his foul every 3 or 4 minute performances. Tonight, he bit on a pump fake from 5'2" smurf TJ Ford, who couldn't shoot over an arms extended Amir Johnson with a step stool.

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Not saying it isn't a problem, but is he actually fouling anybody out there? Even on the play you mention, I'm not sure their jerseys even made contact. He needs discipline + respek.

On a pounds per second per second basis, he must have the lowest fouling force in the NBA. Touch foul hell.

On the actual game, I don't think I can say much. I'm worn down. We have offensive players and we have defensive players and whichever ones we play, we get a close game. If we want to give up 80 points, then we'll score 80. If we want to score 110, then we'll give up 110. It might be the personel.

Just trying to be honest. I know it sounds bad and that's why I qualified it, but get our your reel and check that play out. My general point is that he isn't getting his money's worth, that's all. He's playing tentatively and fouling like a little girl.

I actually thought the touch fouls were out of control both ways in this game from start to finish.

We fouled them 27 times and we got fouled 23 times, yet they shot 15 more free throws. Detroit actually made 5 more field goals in the game with an extra 3 pointer. So, +11 from the floor and -15 from the charity stripe.

I know it sounds bad and that's why I qualified it, but get our your reel and check that play out.

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I was all over the play in chat. Frankly, I think he is an idiot. You must love him for his body, because he has the bball IQ of a 3 year old sometimes.

He didn't have to leave his feet. Just put his arms up. But he plays so out of control, that when he jumps at a smurf, regardless of how much contact there is, he is the one who looks to be out of control physically.

Just trying to be honest. I know it sounds bad and that's why I qualified it, but get our your reel and check that play out. My general point is that he isn't getting his money's worth, that's all. He's playing tentatively and fouling like a little girl.

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I can hardly wait for the game Amir makes them 'count' and fouls out in 4 minutes.

I don't what the big deal is? Just as recently as last week this team was:

fun to watch,

they were fighting,

playing hard,

there was team chemistry,

there was good ball movement,

we were winning the board wars,

the future (AA, AJ, KB, Max, Stuck) was playing- and playing well

we weren't getting techs,

we playing good ol fashioned Detroit "Goin To Work" BAAAASKETBAAALLL

Tay was playing like an all-star

The backourt was winning us games by scoring in the paint down the stretch

We won a game without even making a 3ptr.

ALL OF THIS HAPPENED LAST WEEK!!!!!!!

All we were missing was a player to reduce Tay's mins by 10-12, someone to reduce Stuckey's mins by about 10mpg, and a solid perimeter shooter, something that our 2 All-Star veterans should have been able to easily provide if they were TEAM PLAYERS. No I'm not blaming Rip or Sheed, This is about coaching and leadership, actually more about leadership. Joe and MC need to do something.

I don't what the big deal is? Just as recently as last week this team was:

fun to watch,

they were fighting,

playing hard,

there was team chemistry,

there was good ball movement,

we were winning the board wars,

the future (AA, AJ, KB, Max, Stuck) was playing- and playing well

we weren't getting techs,

we playing good ol fashioned Detroit "Goin To Work" BAAAASKETBAAALLL

Tay was playing like an all-star

The backourt was winning us games by scoring in the paint down the stretch

We won a game without even making a 3ptr.

ALL OF THIS HAPPENED LAST WEEK!!!!!!!

All we were missing was a player to reduce Tay's mins by 10-12, someone to reduce Stuckey's mins by about 10mpg, and a solid perimeter shooter, something that our 2 All-Star veterans should have been able to easily provide if they were TEAM PLAYERS. No I'm not blaming Rip or Sheed, This is about coaching and leadership, actually more about leadership. Joe and MC need to do something.

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If you look at that, you would almost say that Rip and Sheed just don't fit in with this group anymore.
I myself get the feeling that AI even fits in better.

For me the group that played last week was far more enjoyable to watch. I wouldn't mind them having season growing pains and get better in the end. I rather have a hard working group that might loose more games then a group with certain "all stars" who think they are so great.

“We had a chance to win it in regulation,” Pistons coach Michael Curry said. “We got the ball in our veterans’ hands. It just didn’t go our way. I thought we executed – we just missed shot.”

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That quote from Curry makes me laugh. The guys on the floor were Rip, Rodney, Tay, AI, and Sheed. He could say the same thing if anyone but Rodney gets the shot. The way he words it, sounds like they just want an old guy taking the big shots regardless of how off the vets are or how hot Rodney is (He was hot all night tonight and last night). It's like he's allowded to play his game for the first 43 minutes, but the last 5 minutes he's the 5th option on the floor no matter how the game is going.

Eventually, I have to imagine that Rodney's just going to say eff-this, and take control, but it would be nice if Curry showed a little confidence in him late in the game rather than playing keep away.

If you look at that, you would almost say that Rip and Sheed just don't fit in with this group anymore.
I myself get the feeling that AI even fits in better.

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Ain't no almost to it. I'm flat out saying it, RIP DON'T FIT IN WITH THIS GROUP ANYMORE. The contrast between last week and this week is startling.

As far as Sheed I think about it like this; Last week we won with Amir and Kwame starting up front, they were solid and worked hard. Now one would think that if you replace Kwame with Rasheed Wallace you get a exponentially superior product on the floor on both ends. Now seeing as how Kwame is inconsistent, Amir is a fouling machine, Max is good for 20mpg tops, and Dyess & Sheed mins need to be limited; you have room to play all 5 players regularly, except when you add Tayshaun to the equation as the strting PF...what an effin idiot!!!!!

Ain't no almost to it. I'm flat out saying it, RIP DON'T FIT IN WITH THIS GROUP ANYMORE. The contrast between last week and this week is startling.

As far as Sheed I think about it like this; Last week we won with Amir and Kwame starting up front, they were solid and worked hard. Now one would think that if you replace Kwame with Rasheed Wallace you get a exponentially superior product on the floor on both ends. Now seeing as how Kwame is inconsistent, Amir is a fouling machine, Max is good for 20mpg tops, and Dyess & Sheed mins need to be limited; you have room to play all 5 players regularly, except when you add Tayshaun to the equation as the strting PF...what an effin idiot!!!!!

If you look at that, you would almost say that Rip and Sheed just don't fit in with this group anymore.
I myself get the feeling that AI even fits in better.

For me the group that played last week was far more enjoyable to watch. I wouldn't mind them having season growing pains and get better in the end. I rather have a hard working group that might loose more games then a group with certain "all stars" who think they are so great.

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They were more fun to watch b/c they weren't playing SMALL BALL. And both of our guards think they are too great to go to the bench. This is not an AI .vs Rip situation. It's too many guards that need their minutes cut.

Rip played 30 yesterday; AI damn near the whole game. If AI's minutes came down to 30-35 like we need them to, what do you think he would say ?

Let me give you a hint. I can't be effective playing so little; I need to be out on the floor to get in a rythm; I just want to win and that's why i have to play the whole game. Give me a break. This problem is just as much him as our "all star" guard.

The contrast in teams is because of Small Ball, and for what it's worth the team out there in the 4th and the OT sans Sheed was the same one that's been playing before and lost the game.

MC has decided to change the rotation and it's not even just with the guards, KB, Max and Amir, AA are all of a sudden sporadic to DNP players. It's easy to take the simple way out and blame it on Rip. The real problem is beginning to emerge as a coach who can't or won't enfoce his will or even more troubling a coach that thinks these rotations are a good idea.

Stuck/AI/Sheed/Amir/Tay is not a championship team. Ad as much as people hate our 3 point shooting. Our inability to spread the floor and shoot the 3 is a big reason why we have sop much trouble scoring.

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How many fouls did Amir pick up in this game? Some are idiotic, but you know what at least he's close enough to his man to actually foul him.

Ain't no almost to it. I'm flat out saying it, RIP DON'T FIT IN WITH THIS GROUP ANYMORE. The contrast between last week and this week is startling.

As far as Sheed I think about it like this; Last week we won with Amir and Kwame starting up front, they were solid and worked hard. Now one would think that if you replace Kwame with Rasheed Wallace you get a exponentially superior product on the floor on both ends. Now seeing as how Kwame is inconsistent, Amir is a fouling machine, Max is good for 20mpg tops, and Dyess & Sheed mins need to be limited; you have room to play all 5 players regularly, except when you add Tayshaun to the equation as the strting PF...what an effin idiot!!!!!

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I agree that TG (Love the Grim Ripper tag) doesn't fit with this group any longer. You could switch out he and AI, but I feel like AI gives them a better chance.

People are quick to pile MC, his leadership and rotations, but short of what you saw last night with TG just not playing he doesn't have many options.

If you favor one of these guys going to the bench, how many minutes are they going to still play, 20, 30, 35? If they play 30 how do you get minutes for the pets? (Amir's will take care of them selves. He's like a dog chasing a frisbee out there.)

I don't think MN would do it and I don't think it is fair value, but Mike Miller would be a better fit for this team than Grim Rip.