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This trademark is still only partially mapped. It's somewhere between the fuzzy fringes and "here there be ghoulies." One possibility is the firm of Anton Neininger, of Villingen (in Baden). This would fit "Anvil" nicely, i.e. A(nton) N(eininger) Vil(lingen). It's known that the firm AN was founded before 1876, but it seems to have disappeared around 1900.

The DRGM for your clock however dates from 1929 or so. And "Anvil" doesn't show up in any of the German TM listings I've seen from that time. And so on.

However, the DRGM can be checked through the German patent publications. And this might provide an answer. Would you be so kind as to take another photo, a close-up of the back of the movement with the mark and DRGM? This woud be most helpful!

Hi Duck thanks for all that info! WIll upload a clear photo tomorrow. As for Anvil, yes I thought that was Perivale anvil IE british clocks, yes my spelling error. it says made in Baden which is obviously germany so I dont see how it could be British unless they made it over there, I don't know. There is also a print of an actual anvil by the word anvil also. thanks

Perivale were claiming "all-British" clocks and movements, as for example in the ad that Shenton & Shenton reprint, "THE POPULAR BRITISH 'ANVIL' CLOCKS & MOVEMENTS" and in wartime ads. Yet as S&S point out, not a few "British" clocks between the wars had German-made movements cased in the UK.

If this is the case with the movement in this case, it would explain that "Made in Baden" as well as the "Anvil."

We know that the movement, because of the DRGM number, was made no earlier than 1929. And the
British "Anvil" along with the country-of-origin of the movement would fit requirements of the Merchandise Marks Act, 1926:

"It shall not be lawful to sell, expose for sale, or, by way of advertising goods of some other kind, distribute, in the United Kingdom, any imported goods to which there is applied any name or trade mark being, or purporting to be, the name or trade mark of any manufacturer, dealer, or trader or the name of any place or district in the United Kingdom, unless the trade mark is accompanied by an indication of origin."

The DRGM should clear up who made the movement, at least. In the meantime, I'm going to practice trying to say that sentence from the Act in one breath, while whistling each time there's a comma.

This has just arrived so i have not cleaned it yet, i Have Westminister/Whittington chimes on mine and they are played by pins whereas yours is slightly different. Mine appears to have enjoyed severe oil bathing, So i guess a good clean will make a great difference to its looks. My dial is unsigned (ie no sellers name) Thankfully your post has revealed most of the information i was going to research.

Kind regards

Malcolm

Last edited by malcolmt; 11-02-2008 at 04:32 PM.
Reason: Messed up the pictures OOPS!!

I don't know what's available in UK, but any mildly abrasive cleaner should work, such as products designed for cleaning and polishing automotive paint finishes, fiberglass, plastic, or wood furniture. I think these are usually water-based, and any residue can be removed with water. Other mild solvent bases such as paint thinner would be ok as well. I have used Novus No. 2 plastic polish, Howard's Restore-a-Shine (for furniture) and a home-made mix of paint thinner, beeswax, and fine pumice stone. Once clean, a coat of paste wax is a good idea.

HI Brian & Jeremy
Thank you both for great advise. Although Jeremy your advice applies to american products i can, from your description draw paralells To UK products. Brian I am sure your advice will provide the goods for sure. Once again, Thank you both.
Kind regards