Nice fuckin' set. I'm hoping for another US tour one of these days, I still have yet to see them.

MPF

04-15-2010, 11:41 AM

Fuck I would have LOVED to have seen this set back in 08. I'm still dreaming for the day that Jon Schaffer will finally get off his ass and play some god damn Burnt Offerings songs again!

Indestructible

04-15-2010, 01:02 PM

Good set but needs atleast one song from burnt offerings.

Maiden33

04-15-2010, 01:10 PM

Pure Evil
The Hunter
Prophecy
Birth of the Wicked
The Coming Curse
Dark Saga
A Question of Heaven

Nice. I'm in the minority that didn't hate the '08 US setlist though. I enjoyed getting to see 2/3 of Gettysburg, Watching Over Me, Come What May, and Setian Massacre, all of which are absent from this set.

Sanitarium78

04-15-2010, 01:12 PM

Good set but needs atleast one song from burnt offerings.

Yes, it does. Get the horrible Dark Saga out of there and get Dante's Inferno in immediately. Otherwise a very solid set. I didn't even know they were touring anywhere recently. I thought Schaffer was occupied with the awful side project he has right now. Fuck that shit and start writting and new Iced Earth album.

Indestructible

04-15-2010, 01:14 PM

Yes, it does. Get the horrible Dark Saga out of there and get Dante's Inferno in immediately. Otherwise a very solid set. I didn't even know they were touring anywhere recently. I thought Schaffer was occupied with the awful side project he has right now. Fuck that shit and start writting and new Iced Earth album.

If they want to do anything from the dark saga they should do anything but Dark Saga and I died for you those are the only two Iced Earth songs I dont like. I find no problem with Schaffers side project

Maiden33

04-15-2010, 01:15 PM

I think Burnt Offerings is ridiculously overrated, and am not upset they never play anything off of it. Just an album I never really "got", even when I was batshit crazy about Iced Earth like 5 years ago.

Maiden33

04-15-2010, 01:17 PM

If they want to do anything from the dark saga they should do anything but Dark Saga and I died for you those are the only two Iced Earth songs I dont like. I find no problem with Schaffers side project

You've GOTTA be kidding me. Dark Saga and I Died For You are 2 of the only 5 songs on that album that aren't completely forgetable - not to mention Schaffer is notorious for writing albums with like 5 filler tracks apiece. Over time I've realized there are actually more Iced Earth songs I don't like than I do, and these two are both definitely ones I do.

Edit: And Schaffer's side project, music aside, is just ridiculous. I hate preachy music, no matter what it's preaching about. Pro-religion? Anti-religion? liberal? Conservative? Pro-War? Anti-War? SHUT THE FUCK UP AND CONCENTRATE ON MAKING MUSIC. :eyes: /Rant over.

Indestructible

04-15-2010, 01:24 PM

You've GOTTA be kidding me. Dark Saga and I Died For You are 2 of the only 5 songs on that album that aren't completely forgetable - not to mention Schaffer is notorious for writing albums with like 5 filler tracks apiece. Over time I've realized there are actually more Iced Earth songs I don't like than I do, and these two are both definitely ones I do.

Edit: And Schaffer's side project, music aside, is just ridiculous. I hate preachy music, no matter what it's preaching about. Pro-religion? Anti-religion? liberal? Conservative? Pro-War? Anti-War? SHUT THE FUCK UP AND CONCENTRATE ON MAKING MUSIC. :eyes: /Rant over.

I died for you and dark saga never appealed to me and are my least favorite IE songs. I think the Sons Of Liberty(Schaffers side project) album would of sounded better if he did it with IE.

Sanitarium78

04-15-2010, 01:28 PM

The standout tracks on Dark Saga are The Hunter, The Last Laugh, Vengence Is Mine, Scarred, Slave To The Dark and A Question Of Heaven. The title track and the equally as bad I Died For You don't have shit on those songs as far as i'm conserned.

Also, I'm partial to Burnt Offerings because it was my first IE album and you tend to hold albums that get you into a particular band in higher esteem than someone else might because of that.

Hopefully Schaffer can come up with something more original for their new stuff. I liked the last two albums but i've had enough of the Something Wicked story. It's time for him to move onto something new in his songwritting.

Maiden33

04-15-2010, 01:38 PM

The standout tracks on Dark Saga are The Hunter, The Last Laugh, Vengence Is Mine, Scarred, Slave To The Dark and A Question Of Heaven. The title track and the equally as bad I Died For You don't have shit on those songs as far as i'm conserned.

Also, I'm partial to Burnt Offerings because it was my first IE album and you tend to hold albums that get you into a particular band in higher esteem than someone else might because of that.

Hopefully Schaffer can come up with something more original for their new stuff. I liked the last two albums but i've had enough of the Something Wicked story. It's time for him to move onto something new in his songwritting.

For me the highlights of The Dark Saga have always been the first four songs and A Question of Heaven, and I like Vengeance is Mine. I have virtually no interest in ever listening to the rest of that album again.

Iced Earth have joined the ranks of bands like Hammerfall for me. I will still enjoy their "classic" work because of what it means to my personal history and musical development, and in many cases I would still pay money to see them - but I don't particularly care much about their future studio work, and they could break up tomorrow and I wouldn't be upset whatsoever.

Also, I will forever have a grudge against Iced Earth since Matt Barlow's vocal potential was fully realized with Pyramaze's masterpiece "Immortal", and he abandoned that to go back to a mediocre band whose glory days are ten years behind them.

Grayfox

04-16-2010, 02:53 AM

I think The Dark Saga is a very solid album through and through. The only song I'm not big on (but still don't think it sucks) is Depths of Hell. Anyway... I consider their set from the South American tour good if only for the fact that A Question of Heaven was part of it. There's nothing quite like witnessing that one live.

And Maiden33 -- I'm with you; I think Burnt Offerings is incredibly overrated. It's a decent album but I don't understand why it's so loved. Besides Dante's Inferno, I don't find anything about the album to be special. And even then, I don't ejaculate all over Dante's Inferno like some do. Yeah, it's a good song, but there are many other IE songs I'd rather listen to.

And although I think Matt's performance on Pyramaze's "Immortal" is amazing (as is the album as a whole), I was and am happy to see him back in Iced Earth. I just wish he would've stayed in Pyramaze also. Afterall, they don't even tour. They do one-off shows here and there, which he probably could've handled.

ZeroSignal

04-17-2010, 10:23 AM

Nice. I'm in the minority that didn't hate the '08 US setlist though. I enjoyed getting to see 2/3 of Gettysburg, Watching Over Me, Come What May, and Setian Massacre, all of which are absent from this set.

I with you on that one. I too, liked the '08 setlist myself. Sure I would have liked certain songs, but I wouldn't want any other song taken out though.:D

The chances of hearing anything from Burnt Offerings will be slim. For one, Jon, doesn't like that album to much. I heard this in an interview that was a bonus disc for 'Horror Show.' I will agree that Burnt Offerings is a bit overrated. The only songs I do like are Burnt Offerings, Last December and Dantes Inferno(Yes I am one of those who cream over that song...sorry)

MPF

04-17-2010, 01:38 PM

I did both like the 2008 set and Burnt Offerings. Meeting the guys in IE after the show was a dream come true for me. It's cool to know that I am actually taller than Matt Barlow. HAHA!

TO me The 2008 setlist was good but it could have had so much more. I was one of the crowds that didn't get I Walk Alone in the set which made me a sad panda. But if they could have added A Question Of Heaven, Violate, or the other two songs in the OSmething Wicked Trilogy, I would have loved it that much more.

As for Burnt Offerings, it was the first album that I really got into IE. I had bought The Glorious Burden before Burnt Offerings but I was advised to check out Matt Barlow on vocals, and I'm happy I did.

I have also gotten to talk to the drummer of Burnt Offerings, Rodney Beasley and I've personally told him that the song, Diary is what got me into the band and into Thrash/Power Metal double bass drumming.

darkguardian50

05-04-2010, 11:03 PM

Burnt Offerings is a great album with shitty production. Thats all. I don't get why Schaffer hates it so much. Diary, Burning Oasis, Burnt Offerings, and Dante's Inferno are all killer tracks. Schaffer likes Dante's Inferno but understandably because of its length its not something you will probably ever see in a setlist for a full tour. But I'd love if they did Burnt Offerings from time to time, thats an awesome song.

Dark Saga is kind of a boring album. Question of Heaven is amazing and among their best songs, Violate is also good and Vengeance of mine and The Hunter are ok, but thats about it. Why the hell don't they ever play Red Baron or Attila live. Even when they toured with Ripper (at least when I saw them) they didn't play either of those. Instead they played the lame Greenface.

Still at least they played A Question of Heaven, they didn't when I saw them on the Something Wicked 2 Tour. Its probably just as well cause Matt was sick as a dog and sounded like crap. I hope they do another US tour soon or finally spit out that live album they have been holding on to since forever. Stupid SPV screwed everything up on that end.

Grayfox

05-05-2010, 01:05 AM

The DVD (which will presumably also be a live album) is supposed to be out this year. Jon was in Germany to sign with Century Media (:eek:) and to work on the production for the DVD.

Red Baron/Blue Max was played when I saw Iced Earth with Ripper (:barf:) in 2004

maidenpriest

05-05-2010, 01:50 AM

am i part of the minority that thinks that Creator Failure is an amazing song off Burnt Offerings?...and i would think Attila might be difficult to do live especially with that middle portion.