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Premarital complete physical exam

Well never heard of it are these mandatory in any part of the world does anyone know?

2010.02.14 07:29

Post number2

sweetnwettt

In most states in the US, it is not mandatory.

2010.03.23 02:48

Post number3

SwitchableSusie

You don't need blood tests anymore either.

2010.03.23 03:09

Post number4

DoctorFeelgood

In most states, it's not mandatory.

2010.03.28 16:34

Post number5

Dr Danner

It used to be totally manadatory in Oregon. Most docs performed a pelvic on young ladies and for most it was their first one.

2010.04.08 03:41

Post number6

Jds4med

It used to be. I think it came from the tradition of proving the bride's virginity.

2013.04.07 00:17

Post number7

SwitchableSusie

It used to be. I think it came from the tradition of proving the bride's virginity.

It used to be done as a preventive for spreading venereal disease (std) because they were a real problem before antibiotics and because of their stupid assumption that couples didn't have sex with each other prior to marriage, which actually made the purpose of the premarital exam moot. Since everybody has sex before they are married, they stopped requiring the ridiculous exams.

2013.04.07 22:40

Post number8

Mashie

Moderator

I know another reason they used to require these exams plus a blood test was to help prevent, well for lack of better terms, insest. Families marrying into related families and not realizing they are actually related.

Mashie

2013.04.11 04:29

Post number9

agracier

Moderator

It used to be. I think it came from the tradition of proving the bride's virginity.

Unless accompanied by a further physical exam, blood tests won't tell anything about a person's virginity or not.

However, and this was not mandatory, but rather dictated by custom, social status and other indicators, sometimes girls graduating from some schools were given a virginity and maturity exam, meant as reassurance for the parents about their daughter's prospects as a future bride.

I read about this being the custom in Germany in certain Catholic schools at least until the late 1930's. In a biography of Eva Braun, (The Lost Life of Eva Braun by Angela Lambert) this is briefly mentioned and discussed as often being customary in the better sort of boarding school. Not only is it a reassurance of a daughter's virginity, but in the case of boarding school pupils, it's also a way of proving that the girls have been properly supervised during their stay at the school, relieving the school of any responsibility for possible negligence on that account.

Aside from Interwar Germany, this sounds like something that families in certain social circles would very discretely insist on in other (European) countries as well, especially where lineage, social standing and class were considered to be of paramount importance when choosing a bride.

2013.04.11 07:32

Post number10

Susismith

It is certainly a sexy fantasy. Perhaps the bride’s exam would need to be witnessed by her future father-in-law and the grooms older brother. The Dr could also rest to make sure ahw would be sexually responsive to her new husband

2018.03.27 10:10

Post number11

gatorwrestler

Nope, never heard of it being done. Seems kind of pointless, really.

2018.04.07 22:14

Post number12

Cuck Alex

This type of exam was certainly done for royal brides wishing to marry into the royal family. It was well known that Diana underwent a very detailed medical to check that she was a virgin and to rule out any obvious signs of infertility.

I suspect Kate Middleton also underwent a similar medical before marrying William. Afterall the main duty of a royal bride is to produce heirs.

2018.06.18 20:29

Post number13

rapide040

Never heard of this in the UK, or at least for 'ordinary people' my Wife and I never had one.

2018.06.18 20:58

Post number14

Moppys jalopy

Moderator

We didn't have to do an exam but I am pretty sure it required a blood test for the County to make sure you weren't transmitting the clap or some other naughty STD. The thing I hated the most was the counseling we had to do to get married Catholic. The priest towards the end of the sessions would show us pictures of different sex positions and once even suggested we use a pillow to raise her hips. What a joke. I wanted to literally choke the guy. Missionary position my ass.

2018.06.18 21:35

Post number15

agracier

Moderator

The thing I hated the most was the counseling we had to do to get married Catholic. T

Marriage counseling? Really. This is the first time I've heard about it being customary?/mandatory? for a Catholic marriage ceremony.

Mind you, I live in a nominally Catholic country, but in realty more of a secular one and I am not even certain which of my friends ever married in a catholic ceremony. I think I will have to ask if any did.

I certainly did not in any case, just a secular wedding in the City Hall. Though when we once visited Vegas, my wife and I renewed our vows and had a Southern Baptist minister do the honors. Vegas style, he drove up in a sports car convertible. So I doubt very much he was a hard-liner ... ha ha.

2018.07.27 20:48

Post number16

Moppys jalopy

Moderator

Marriage counseling? Really. This is the first time I've heard about it being customary?/mandatory? for a Catholic marriage ceremony..

This was back in the early 70's and my wife was not Catholic and I don't think that had anything to do with it but it might have. They had all the literature printed up so I think that everyone that got married had to go through it. Totally a waste of time. On top of that I think my wife was already pregnant. Oops

2018.07.27 21:06

Post number17

SwitchableSusie

Marriage counseling? Really. This is the first time I've heard about it being customary?/mandatory? for a Catholic marriage ceremony. . . . .

YES!

I thank god I am an atheist and even I heard of that required catholic counseling in New York.

When my husband and I got married we didn't even have to get a blood test. The damn state just wanted our money for the marriage license.

Marriage is a business arrangement plain and simple and you need a license to start the business and it's even harder to get the buy-out agreement (divorce) when you have had enough of your business partner.

2018.07.27 21:17

Post number18

forwend20

I had to get marriage counselling too, but it was actually useful. We had a Lutheran priest, he went over common problems and conflicts of marriage.

2018.07.28 00:25

Post number19

gwhap

My wife and I flew from San Jose CA to Reno (MGM Grand) to get married. Had to stand in line to get our license. The lady in front of us had a white wedding gown on! No counseling required!!!!

We played in a Racketball club and several friends we played with just happened to be on the same flight and were staying at the same hotel to gamble. One of my friends stood up as best man, and his wife who we had never met stood up as maid of honor. She cried during the ceremony.

Our son was born 3 months later!!

2018.07.28 01:20

Post number20

agracier

Moderator

My wife and I flew from San Jose CA to Reno (MGM Grand) to get married. Had to stand in line to get our license. The lady in front of us had a white wedding gown on! No counseling required!!!!

Well sure no counseling required for a secular wedding. And certainly not to get a marriage license. That is purely a secular business. Nothing to do with religion at all - unless the Republic of Gilead is ever established that is ... ha ha.

And actually, no that's not really very funny. All of us here would certainly end up on the Wall ...

2018.07.28 06:37

Post number21

user264

The Catholic Church calls the classes Pre Cana after the wedding feast at Cana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Cana

You could either go to a long weekend day or several weeknights.

Before we got married, we also had to get letters for the priest from the parishes we were baptized in. The letters indicated "no notations" meaning we had not been already married in the Catholic Church. They record marriages on the back of the original baptismal certificates.

I also remember "Banns of Marriage" being published in the parish bulletins (handed out at each mass). The notice was to allow anyone to raise notice of a pending improper marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banns_of_marriage

2018.07.28 13:37

Post number22

shadowavenger

I also remember "Banns of Marriage" being published in the parish bulletins (handed out at each mass). The notice was to allow anyone to raise notice of a pending improper marriage.

You also have to do that with a secular marriage in the UK, you have to go to the register office at least 28 days before and they put up a notice there. I agree with Stephen Merchant's suggestion that given the substantial cost of a wedding (at the time the average was £20k, it's now £27k) that request should be going out with the invitations - "If you know any reason why we can't get married, can you let Steve know before he spunks 20 grand up the wall?"

A premarital physical exam is an interesting fantasy, the run-up to getting married is very stressful and there would be a lot riding on it so you might have a doctor gently leading a nervous patient through it or alternatively an abrupt doctor trying to get through them as quickly as possible.

2018.07.29 01:25

Post number23

Pecan nutjob

In France, there used to be a mandatory pre-marital medical exam, with mandatory checks for certain STDs (e.g. syphilis, I think) and strongly advised check for AIDS. This was a heirloom from the days when many women married as virgins, STDs were difficult to treat, and contamination from e.g. prostitutes was frequent.

As far as I recall there was no compulsory gynecological exam but maybe a gynecological exam was paid for if done on this occasion.

This obligation has been suppressed.

The only compulsory institutionalized virginity exams that I've heard about in France were for teenage girls deemed "wayward" and in need of a reform school.

2018.08.16 09:23

Post number24

moliere

Not required in my state, but I did go in for a physical before I got married so I could tell my wife that I was in good health and not particularly likely to die on her rapidly.

In retrospect I think it kind of odd that the doctor didn't push for a STD screen, didn't even suggest it. I know I told her that I was getting married. It was the basic quick and easy exam for a 20's guy, didn't even do blood tests. She did tell me I needed to watch my knee, which I should have paid closer attention to.

2018.08.16 12:47

Post number25

rabidbiker

When my wife and I got married we didn’t need any type of exam, not even a blood test. But when we have play exams, we have used that scenario as the reason for me examining her, and sometimes for when she examines me. And the exams are very thorough......

2019.01.12 03:08

Post number26

JTMac

She did tell me I needed to watch my knee, which I should have paid closer attention to.

@moliere, Since you told her you were getting married, could that have been in reference to her anticipation that you would get down on one knee and propose.......

2019.01.12 08:13

Post number27

cutmedfanuk

A guy I worked with, had to undergo a thorough medical examination and be circumcised, prior to marriage in order to satisfy the family of his south korean bride.

2019.01.12 11:28

Post number28

Hiya

While totally antiquated I'm intrigued by the idea of a doctor checking out a couple, particularly a young virgin bride, before her wedding and advising her on what she can expect, not just from her wedding night and her husband but also her future visits with him.

2019.03.18 07:41

Post number29

johncrossley

Interesting discussion. My wife told me one time, when we got engaged that a friend from work went to a clinic rather than her regular doctor just before getting married because she wanted to go on the pill. She told my wife that the clinic insisted on giving her a full gynaecological examination before issuing the pill and she got very upset and embarrassed when this was done by a young male doctor - it was her first ever such examination. (UK)

2019.03.18 11:48

Post number30

Miriamvee

I can not specify exactly when and where, but I know that in some EU, Middle East and eastern countries, certainly it was obligatory medical examination, for school, studies, employment, relocation to another country, marriage, sailors, army, expeditions,... With time ceased to be mandatory for all of them. I can confirm because I was personally present, 40+ years ago, in one Eastern country, I do not want to specify. Then a friend of mine girl was inspected - examined. A group of five women is present in the room, of which mother of the future husband, best woman, a female doctor, examine the bride, in order to determine her virginity. Only after finding the whole hymen ( virgo intacta ) she can be married. I hope I'm going to write the whole story about that . Notice to my fans: My stories were moved, a few days ago, to this page: https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=docs;ox=showitem;id=11803