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I think I'm brushing Gazza with a broad stroke and trying to sympathise with him without really considering context too much.

When I reflect on his 'story' I've got to say that I am inclined to agree with various people here. He has been afforded very many opportunities to get himself out of this. Some of the advice he has been given and some of the people he has chosen to support him have been incredibly poor at times, and so he has possibly become apathetic to help when it is provided. In that regard, various people have failed him.

However, if he has been continually offered opportunities by others and he has shown a willing to recover and then simply thrown in the towel...that's a different matter and I can understand the cynicism of others.

It's a tough one.

You don't want Gazza to be an 'example' of every alcoholic depressive, as he simply isn't. In this case, however, unlike some other people who can and should be defended and supported, Gazza simply doesn't get it.

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"Well, love is insanity. The ancient Greeks knew that. It is the taking over of a rational and lucid mind by delusion and self-destruction. You lose yourself, you have no power over yourself, you can't even think straight."

I guess I'm in love with West Brom...I have been for around 3 months now.

one thing with this is that people say that it is only in the papers and press because of who he is and if it was just some random guy in the street people would just walk by and think it's just another drunk.

that is true but at the same time Gazza has probably had more help than anyone with this addiction/illness/problem of his due to who he is.

This guy was my idol and yet now ive nothing for him. He had so much to give back too football and decided to pee it all up the wall.

Ive no sympathy for him anymore, if he had included people in his life and surrounded himself with people and football I dont think he would be the way he is now, instead he went alone and let the demons take control.

This guy was my idol and yet now ive nothing for him. He had so much to give back too football and decided to pee it all up the wall.

Ive no sympathy for him anymore, if he had included people in his life and surrounded himself with people and football I dont think he would be the way he is now, instead he went alone and let the demons take control.

Dead within a year is my reckoning

That's the whole point, they can't see all of the support they have because the addition is so much bigger than anything - fame, opportunity, even people and loving support.

I know this because my brother is exactly the same, had loads of musical talent by the way and now his hands don't even work properly. I don't judge him, addiction isn't that black and white. All od that said though I believe the brother I had is 90% lost (in terms of the person I knew) and most likely that is exactly the same with Gazza.

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That's the whole point, they can't see all of the support they have because the addition is so much bigger than anything - fame, opportunity, even people and loving support.

I know this because my brother is exactly the same, had loads of musical talent by the way and now his hands don't even work properly. I don't judge him, addiction isn't that black and white. All od that said though I believe the brother I had is 90% lost (in terms of the person I knew) and most likely that is exactly the same with Gazza.

I know someone who went through the same aswell..brilliant musician and a fantastic artist but the drink ruled everything and he became nothing but a scumbag in the eyes of many..

Its a shame but I really have no sympathy for anyone that is given chance after chance after chance and has friends helping them out and for all the help they give its thrown back in their faces.

Quite obviously he wants to kill himself, he has said so himself, if he doesnt want to be here then let him drink himself into oblivion. No skin off my nose, can watch videos of him from when I did look upto him and forget everything else that happened once he gave up on himself

I know someone who went through the same aswell..brilliant musician and a fantastic artist but the drink ruled everything and he became nothing but a scumbag in the eyes of many..

Its a shame but I really have no sympathy for anyone that is given chance after chance after chance and has friends helping them out and for all the help they give its thrown back in their faces.Quite obviously he wants to kill himself, he has said so himself, if he doesnt want to be here then let him drink himself into oblivion. No skin off my nose, can watch videos of him from when I did look upto him and forget everything else that happened once he gave up on himself

Fair point and unfortunately roughly where I am with my own flesh and blood!

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I would love nothing more than Gazza to be on the straight and narrow and get a job back in football, he has so much to offer. However, I think this is only temporary and can see Gazza back on it soon and ultimately dead.

I would love nothing more than Gazza to be on the straight and narrow and get a job back in football, he has so much to offer. However, I think this is only temporary and can see Gazza back on it soon and ultimately dead.

Have to agree with the last part there. Haven't we seen him doing "well" many times before? There's only so many chances he's going to get before his body gives up.

Have to agree with the last part there. Haven't we seen him doing "well" many times before? There's only so many chances he's going to get before his body gives up.

he was on radio the other day and sounded like he was getting back to his old self.I hope it can last, despite his issues he seems to be a nice guy underneath it all, some of his acts of generosity (which people phoned in to recount after his interview) are highly commendable.

Shame how the booze entered he's life such a character and wonderfully gifted player who had more passion for England than all of the current set up put together, Its a shame he doesn't want to die people don't want to drink but he has had many chances and like someone else said if he wasn't PG you would just say there's another bum, Hes stories on the BBC website last couple days have been brilliant.

This guy was my idol and yet now ive nothing for him. He had so much to give back too football and decided to pee it all up the wall.

Ive no sympathy for him anymore, if he had included people in his life and surrounded himself with people and football I dont think he would be the way he is now, instead he went alone and let the demons take control.

Dead within a year is my reckoning

Alcoholism is a disease it can be beaten but you need a strong willpower and have to want or have a good reason to beat it.Unfortunately for Gazza I don't think he has either.

I like to know why he's been named in the press , yet grooming gangs who do far more serious crimes are aloud to live normal lives until found guilty, could any one tell me the reason for this ?

I think it is because once he is charged then it is a matter of public record, ie; he will be appearing at a Magistrates Court in a few days to start the legal process. He was arrested in August apparently and it was not publicised then to my knowledge. Now he has been charged there is little to prevent it becoming public knowledge. Doesnt always work that way - think of Paul Gambachinni, Cliff Richard etc Unfortunately big names are big news........ personally I dont agree with it and I am pleased that both are/have sued the various authorities for damages etc

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