As a culture, we're obsessed with being perfect. Sue Bergin, author of Am I a Saint Yet? Healing the Pain of Perfectionism and Wendy Ulrich, psychologist and author of Forgiving Ourselves: Getting Back Up When We Let Ourselves Down, both from Utah, join Thinking Aloud to discuss perfectionism and advise host Marcus Smith in regards to how to overcome it. —Original airdate: 6/10/2013