HCG advice/questions

Now I felt comfortable about my cycle (500mg/wk test e for 12 weeks and 40mg/day dbol for 5 weeks) and pct (Nolvadex) until I started doing more research into HGC and realized that HGC sounds like a good idea to take while on the cycle and for pct. Does HGC seem necessary for this cycle if so, what regiment would I need to be on and how much total product would I need to obtain for the cycle and pct. Thanks

for hcg id wait 5-8 days after last shot then do 1500-2000 ius every 3rd day for a total of 4-5 shots with 1mg adex everyday. after last shot of hcg start up clomid therapy.

there are ways to do it on cycle as well, ive been using it during my cycle however mine was WAY too long and i would never advise it to anyone. i think if you wanted to do it during cycle i would do it weeks 8-13 at 250 iu e3d (500iu a week) and then at the end of week 13 start of week 14 start clomid

I have nolva would that suffice instead of clomid, and I don't have any adex...would you suggest I get some? I have the gear but I'm not starting the cycle until I know and have everything necessary on hand, which is only logical.. I really appreciate the help btw

I have nolva would that suffice instead of clomid, and I don't have any adex...would you suggest I get some? I have the gear but I'm not starting the cycle until I know and have everything necessary on hand, which is only logical.. I really appreciate the help btw

ok yes nolva will be fine!!!!

you can get something like 6bromo or atd or formex for the AI not a problem do know that you should take it eod throughout cycle and PCT to keep estrogenic sides down and less likely for gyno!

when i would say adex is nessesary is when high doses of hcg is there and u need something stronger then an OTC but these OTC are among the strongest out!

id use it in PCT though unless your libido goes for some reason on cycle.

wat?

HCG is not used for PCT. Run it the last 10 weeks of your cycle. Weeks 4-13 will be fine. It's used to prevent gonad atrophy and will make recovery from your 14 week cycle MUCH easier. 14 weeks is a long cycle and the HCG will do you well. Tamoxifen will be sufficient for PCT and I would run it 6 weeks, dosed like this...40/40/20/20/10/10.

Using HCG
It is our opinion that HCG is probably one of the most misunderstood and misused compounds in bodybuilding. Hopefully this information will go some way towards rectifying that for the members of MuscleTalk. HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin and is not a steroid, but a natural peptide hormone which develops in the placenta of pregnant women during pregnancy to controls the mother's hormones. (Incidentally, this is the reason you may hear of people testing for growth hormone (HGH) with a pregnancy testing kit - If their HGH shows 'pregnant', they've been ripped-off with cheaper HCG - but we digress slightly).

Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.
The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

just take 250iu twice a week throughout your cycle. its my personal believe that HCG should be considered "required" for any cycle longer than 5-6 weeks. the test your own body produces will give you more gains than test injected too so you will see more gains if you are using HCG due to your increased natural test. i also do not agree that using HCG in PCT is the way to use it. use it throughout your cycle in small doses, consistency is key.

just take 250iu twice a week throughout your cycle. its my personal believe that HCG should be considered "required" for any cycle longer than 5-6 weeks. the test your own body produces will give you more gains than test injected too so you will see more gains if you are using HCG due to your increased natural test. i also do not agree that using HCG in PCT is the way to use it. use it throughout your cycle in small doses, consistency is key.

Only necessary IMO cycles longer then 12 weeks and even then depends on how u xhoose to do it. I've been on for a very long time so I used it during and ill stop it next week and then use the rest for pct

i've seen studies that show evidence of permanent damage to your testes from being shut down for 10+ weeks. i will never do another cycle without it. the stuff is cheap and at 250iu is not going to hurt it so i see little reason NOT to use it.

Can u link the studies please? I've seen damage done in studies from constant hcg doses causing lesions on leydig cells. We can go back and forth about it all day. But this sites is for people to drop different advice from what's worked for them so people can make ther own decisions were adults we can make our own choices on what is best for us