I was just wondering about Beck's comment on the other thread as far as what a GPS home zone would be considered. I mean is it out of a zip code area?

beckaroozie

02-28-2009, 08:21 PM

I found a couple of things about the GPS tracking of offenders, not specifically pertaining to Florida though. It said there is an 'inclusion zone' and an 'exclusion zone' programmed into the device, so LE is alerted if he is in the inclusion zone when he's supposed to be (home, work, PO meetings), or if he goes into the 'NO NO' zone like near the victim's home, parks, schools, etc.

I think we need to keep searching though to see if we can find out what the radius is for the acceptable 'home zone' inclusion area for Florida (or for him). It would definitely show whether he had the opportunity to commit the crime.

Tuba

02-28-2009, 09:20 PM

When I study this case, I feel like vomiting. The information off the ground is insufficient and misleading. There are four planets in mutual reception, five if you include Jupiter. Ideas and things have been moved around to appear one way in order to camouflage the truth. Individuals on the ground have facts they are not divulging. The Moon on the evening of the disappearance, for instance, opposes Ruler of H. 8 containing a very young Venus. That ruler is Neptune. The Moon is therefore fully aware of what happened. When you have an opposition but particularly a lunar opposition, more so a Full Moon, you see it all. After the fact, you may decide to mask the happening but that opposition means you were in the know at the time.

Kat

02-28-2009, 09:35 PM

Fifth essense allow me to say thank you so much for putting the charts together like that, and the discussions that went with them. I have been busy compiling my own file, but this will be a wonderful asset to those who come to the case late :blowkiss:

Angel Who Cares

02-28-2009, 09:46 PM

*NOTE: I wanted to make sure all of our wonderful astrologers & posters don't miss this if they want to watch it!

Haleigh Cummings will be one of four children featured tonight during the weekly Fox television show "America's Most Wanted."
The FBI, Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Putnam County Sheriff's Office have been working around the clock since Haleigh was reported missing from a bedroom at 3 a.m. on Feb. 11.
"America's Most Wanted" airs locally at 9 p.m. on Fox.

Sorry if someone reminded you about it & it is posted in the Time-Stamp thread but I figured I post it just before it starts in case anyone missed the post! Thanks!
:angel:

beckaroozie

02-28-2009, 09:49 PM

When I study this case, I feel like vomiting. The information off the ground is insufficient and misleading. There are four planets in mutual reception, five if you include Jupiter. Ideas and things have been moved around to appear one way in order to camouflage the truth. Individuals on the ground have facts they are not divulging. The Moon on the evening of the disappearance, for instance, opposes Ruler of H. 8 containing a very young Venus. That ruler is Neptune. The Moon is therefore fully aware of what happened. When you have an opposition but particularly a lunar opposition, more so a Full Moon, you see it all. After the fact, you may decide to mask the happening but that opposition means you were in the know at the time.

Thanks so much for your insight Tuba...I agree someone's holding back some critical info.

Can you please explain who is represented by 'Moon'? TIA :blowkiss:

FifthEssence

02-28-2009, 10:01 PM

Is it possible with everything in H.2, that whatever occurred and is being covered up, was a result of an exchange or related to money and illegal indulgences gone bad? vs someone specifically entered the house w/Haleigh in mind.

salvarenga

03-01-2009, 01:19 AM

I have only read about this so far and will have to wait for the 1AM repeat here.....but apparently CS has Jr this weekend and she had him on Geraldo talking about what he saw and heard that night. Some are saying it seemed like she was coaching him. Now she says that he saw a black man with black clothes and squeaky shoes. Why in HELLO would she put this child on TV? I am thinking CS has ulterior motives. Is there a way to tell if she is putting words into Jr's mouth.

I bet LE and Ron are through the roof about this interview. If I were him, I would go and take Jr back right now. That was totally irresponsible of her to put this child on national TV.

housemouse

03-01-2009, 01:34 AM

I am going to see if I can prop open my eyelids, and watch it again. Does anyone but me see a resemblance between Crystal and Mistie? They have similar coloring, at least.

Will look at their charts in the morning, and see if they share similar stress aspects. I so hope Mistie isn't involved on all those terrible drugs, but am afraid she might be.

So young, how sad.

butterfly1978

03-01-2009, 01:56 AM

I had posted on the other thread, but dont think I got an answer. Do we know by the charts if Haliegh has been moved, or is being moved, can the charts tell us that? Such as if she were in water floating down stream, or if she is in a car moving. Basically can we tell if she has been moved since the original chart?

static

03-01-2009, 02:25 AM

If I remember correctly, Soul said she was still in the neighborhood. I apologize if I am saying something that is not accurate.

ROBLYN

03-01-2009, 04:47 AM

Wow. thanks FifthEssence, that is so much great information in one place.(at the top of thread):blowkiss:

beckaroozie

03-01-2009, 07:20 AM

I have only read about this so far and will have to wait for the 1AM repeat here.....but apparently CS has Jr this weekend and she had him on Geraldo talking about what he saw and heard that night. Some are saying it seemed like she was coaching him. Now she says that he saw a black man with black clothes and squeaky shoes. Why in HELLO would she put this child on TV? I am thinking CS has ulterior motives. Is there a way to tell if she is putting words into Jr's mouth.

I bet LE and Ron are through the roof about this interview. If I were him, I would go and take Jr back right now. That was totally irresponsible of her to put this child on national TV.

Oh that is the height of irresponsibility, I agree!!! The poor child is dealing with his sister being gone, and his mother (and I use that term loosely) drags him on national tv to be grilled by the WORST person she could possibly let him be interviewed by. If I were Ron, I'd head straight to court for an Emergency Protection Order.

I'll bet he paid her megabucks for the interview -- that would be my guess...and she could thumb her nose at Ron. Geeeeez.... :loser:

Salem

03-01-2009, 02:24 PM

It is disheartening to read over and over again that investigators do not know what happened to Haliegh and that they have no clues. It seems by now, they should have something.

I wonder if they have ever gotten the truth from MC?

Salem

Angel Who Cares

03-01-2009, 02:27 PM

I am going to see if I can prop open my eyelids, and watch it again. Does anyone but me see a resemblance between Crystal and Mistie? They have similar coloring, at least.

Will look at their charts in the morning, and see if they share similar stress aspects. I so hope Mistie isn't involved on all those terrible drugs, but am afraid she might be.

So young, how sad.

housemouse If you were unable to keep your tired eyelids opened....when I noticed your post I added the YouTube Videos & transcripts for the last few days in the Time-Stamped Thread for you to have EZ access to them.

FYI: I also added them in the Caylee Time-Stamped thread for anyone who may have missed any of them from the last few days. I know how hard all of you have been working on both cases & I hope these help all of you to have them for future references in both cases!

O/T Thanks Fifth for your post I just noticed it! :blushing: :angel: It takes all of our teamwork to for the astro threads to be what they are....my favorite threads in all of WS's! :clap: It is one of the things I can do to help out all of you wonderful astrologers, who give up so much of thier free time to find answers to all of the cases they work on! :blowkiss:

:grouphug:
:angel:

Tuba

03-01-2009, 04:10 PM

beck, you asked who is the person the Moon represents? The Moon represents a woman in the case. In the horoscope for the last time Haleigh was seen, this woman appears as a friend and one in strained relation with Mercury and directly adverse relation with the Neptune caretaking. But we cannot trust the account of Haleigh's last known presence, so where does that leave us? Even if the statement is honest, it is only a vague approximation of the clock time. No one asserts the time was checked. Now we can't fault someone for going to bed without looking at the clock. There was no reason to do that, if the account of the night is true.

orb4me

03-01-2009, 06:48 PM

We do not know 100% sure the last time Haliegh was seen alive by a dependable person. I am assuming it would be the school teacher. You all are doing a hard job working with astrology for little Haliegh, but you could be off, maybe Haliegh was long gone before what Misty says. If you left Haliegh clear out, would that make a difference in what you all are seeing and coming up with?

static

03-01-2009, 07:35 PM

I just wanted to thank you Fifth for putting all the information here too, trying to sort through threads and find this or that is maddening to the dominant right brainer:)

Angel Who Cares

03-01-2009, 08:34 PM

*NOTE: I didn't want anyone to miss this who might want to listen to the radio show! Sorry I know this is O/T for the Haleigh case but I didn't want any of our wonderful astrologers miss this tonight!

We do not know 100% sure the last time Haliegh was seen alive by a dependable person. I am assuming it would be the school teacher. You all are doing a hard job working with astrology for little Haliegh, but you could be off, maybe Haliegh was long gone before what Misty says. If you left Haliegh clear out, would that make a difference in what you all are seeing and coming up with?

A good majority of the charts and discussions are listed on the 1st post in this thread. Our Astrologers have used different methods yet all the charts compliment each other and deliver the same findings.
The bus driver confirmed Haleigh was picked up at the bus stop, the Great Grandmother said she saw her and little Ron, Jr around 7pm on the porch eating and the 911 call @3:27a.m. is documented by LE.

Please note, multiple charts and much attention was given to Monday-2/9.

Have a LOOK. You can scroll back to the first post in this thread or execute the link below.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3386799&postcount=1

Angel Who Cares

03-02-2009, 11:01 AM

Your Welcome To Everyone For All Of Your Very Kind Messages! :blowkiss: :grouphug:
I'm honored to wear the astrosleuth crown! The astrologers are more deserving of wearing it more than me though!
I'm now a very :blushing: :angel:!

:grouphug:
:blushing: :angel:

Tuba

03-02-2009, 01:04 PM

Ronald pulled into the drive, his commute identified to the Sagittarian ASC. This caused (60°) a crisis, the frantic urgency to protect the self, 21° Fixed in House 2. A Succeedent House is by nature secret but here far more so because intercepted. Succeedent placements take risks. There is deception, hiding of facts. Some factors about the emergency are unknown to us & to authorities. The Sun is in exile, detrimented, thus at a disadvantage owing to weakness and some incapacity aggravated by its role in a lunar eclipse, marked outside the rim of the intercepted Eighth House.

The Sun is, as noted above, in crisis, where a serious situation blows up. Circumstances (Aquarius) are exigent but there is stress, instability and obstruction. Neptune by conjunction and Saturn by inconjunction mean we are observing facets of a plot. What is related in this call is vital but Mercury is coming to a climactic moment and there is a question and a problem with the telephone statement. Saturn is in mutual reception but reluctant to make a responsible decision (retrograde in Virgo of choice and decision). If exchanged, he would have to accept personal (H.1) responsibility and the whole issue of the missing child would be destroyed by Saturn retrograde here.

Jupiter at the degree of the day's lunar node is tragic, the node is full of loss. Moon, ruler of H. 8, is six Houses after the family home, causing anguish there. The cusp is a degree of homicide. The individuals involved here are in common law relation and foster relation, Aquarius. The call was placed early on a Mars day and during the hour of Mercury in crisis. That same Mercury has a direct and full view of the cusp of H. 8 and disposits the Moon which rules it.

The Part of Fatality is 20:49 Cancer, sextile Saturn, trine Uranus and inconjunct the Sun. Of further interest, the Part of Death is dead bang in the middle of House 11 and House 12 cusps, repeating the theme of circumstantial developments seen in the Aquarian placement of the House 2 stellium.

FifthEssence

03-02-2009, 01:49 PM

Which takes us back to the 'caretaker'. What is the secret? What is the cover-up about? Who are the 'neighborhood' friends, associates?

Oldsoul2

03-02-2009, 01:55 PM

Don't post to often here unless I feel compelled to add my thoughts on the discussion. I mentioned on the Caylee thread certain instinctive thoughts I had on that case and here I'm again leaning towards my own "senses" I'm feeling there is a wooden house in the woods where Haleigh was taken, I don't see any other houses around there...only trees, don't think she is as close to her home as everyone believes bu not very far, I believe she is with a man and a woman, there is definitely a woman that I'm sensing involved in some way. I truly believe that it is IMPERATIVE that she been found soon...unfortunately, Im really not liking what I think is happening to her at the hands of this man, I also think that he is somehow related to the girlfriend and he is very smart and watching the search. He will not give up this child unless he is tailed to closely and has to but there is a possibility of death if it has no occured already and that will be by accident...anyone have any thoughts on this?

hockeymom

03-02-2009, 02:59 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=743450&IMG=43291

Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere,but there is a thread in the general section for Haleigh,titled,Welcome AnnaFL. I guess this is someone directly related to the case. She claims the man in the link provided above, Daniel Snodgrass, is friendly with Misty and has serious questions about him. The link only provides DOB,no time of birth. Maybe someone could find out how to get more info on him.

BTW, this is my favorite section on the whole of websleuths. Thank you all for your hard work.

FifthEssence

03-02-2009, 03:13 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=743450&IMG=43291

Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere,but there is a thread in the general section for Haleigh,titled,Welcome AnnaFL. I guess this is someone directly related to the case. She claims the man in the link provided above, Daniel Snodgrass, is friendly with Misty and has serious questions about him. The link only provides DOB,no time of birth. Maybe someone could find out how to get more info on him.

BTW, this is my favorite section on the whole of websleuths. Thank you all for your hard work.

Thank you HOCKEYMON. We'll take a look.
I did check the FL Sex Offender Database and this guy does not come up...hmmm

This booking indicates a BIRTHDATE of 11/15/1953 / committed in Satsuma

Capri

03-02-2009, 03:21 PM

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=743450&IMG=43291

Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere,but there is a thread in the general section for Haleigh,titled,Welcome AnnaFL. I guess this is someone directly related to the case. She claims the man in the link provided above, Daniel Snodgrass, is friendly with Misty and has serious questions about him. The link only provides DOB,no time of birth. Maybe someone could find out how to get more info on him.

BTW, this is my favorite section on the whole of websleuths. Thank you all for your hard work.

He is not a RSO,as he has not been convicted yet, but the details are very, very disturbing involving 2 young girls.

and edited to add, this case has been lingering for a couple of years. He's been out on bail since 4/08, crime allegedly committed in 07. One other point to note, is that the parental figure in this '07 case was nearby when crime supposedly occured.

salvarenga

03-02-2009, 03:22 PM

Thank you HOCKEYMON. We'll take a look.
I did check the FL Sex Offender Database and this guy does not come up...hmmm

This booking indicates a BIRTHDATE of 11/15/1953 / committed in Satsuma

He is not in the database yet b/c he has not been convicted. He is currently in the court system for sex acts against a 9 year old and a 16 year old with a possibility of more victims coming forward.

FifthEssence

03-02-2009, 03:48 PM

He is not in the database yet b/c he has not been convicted. He is currently in the court system for sex acts against a 9 year old and a 16 year old with a possibility of more victims coming forward.

Went to the county dockets. This guy is one BAD SEED.

I see his hearings have been delayed. He bonded out in April '08. WHAT!#!##
He's been charged w/ Capitol Sexual Battery -booked 12/19/07-see video
http://www.news4jax.com/news/14898136/detail.html#video

Violation of Injunction for Protection Against Domestic Violence 7/26/05

Grand Theft & Burglury charges dropped by Prosecutor 07/1999

hockeymom

03-02-2009, 03:53 PM

According to AnnaFl on other thread,she was told Misty was "hanging around" with this guy,and she was told by his ex wife,that he owns a boat. Don't know if the boat is relevant,but maybe.

Soulscape

03-02-2009, 04:30 PM

To All who alerted on D. Snodgrass, thank you.

A very quick look at a birth chart cast for Sunrise and relocated to Satsuma, FL shows sinister and frightening connections to Haleigh's natal Sunrise chart.

*This is symbolic, only!!! We do not have Snodgrass's time of birth or place of birth, so MOON, ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN and House cusps are unknown. The Sunrise chart, relocated to Satsuma, FL, is read symbolically by me, according to the way I practice forensic astrology.

============

I have not yet had the opportunity to compare to Event Charts. I will do so this evening and post my findings.

Thank you,
Soulscape

hockeymom

03-02-2009, 04:34 PM

Thank you Soulscape. I refered AnnaFl to this thread. Hopefully she will read here and can contribute. I think i will go on that thread and see if she has access to Snodgrasses' time of birth.

FifthEssence

03-02-2009, 04:34 PM

Address pulled from the county property collector for 2008 Taxes.
Betsy Ross Place.
It is 3.5 miles from Green Lane

Was it Housemouse that said 'this perp is probably under the radar and hasn't been convicted yet? That he's also most likely a domestic abuser too?' (that's summarized of course, not verbatim) Looks like whoever said it was pretty on point with this guy. FifthEss is right he is a BAAAD SEED.

housemouse

03-02-2009, 06:32 PM

Snodgrass chart observations:

Sun, Mars, and Pluto in hard aspect at 7:50, 8:37, & 9:59 respectively. These are all in hard aspect to Haleigh's Venus, Sun, Saturn, and Node, at 8:47, 9:08, 9:12, &9:51, respectively.

Snodgrass has Uranus at 22:59, in hard aspect to H's Mars at 22:52

Snodgrass's Saturn at 32:51 in hard aspect to H's Pluto at 32:16, S's Venus is close to these at 34:41. Some midpoint astrologers use an orb of 1:30 degrees, and some use 2 degrees. Moreover, Snodgrass has the midpoint Mars/Pluto at 31:48, right on his Saturn, and very close, therefore, to Haleigh's Mars.

One way to interpret this is that Haleigh's "energy" could trigger Snodgrass's "brutality".

We have another potential for the growing list. Soulscape and I are having some pretty discouraging thoughts about what the heck is going on down there in Satsuma. Too many potential perps for our liking.

Can anyone confirm that the FBI is working this case? I really need to know that they are.

housemouse

03-02-2009, 07:45 PM

Do any of you remember me wondering what happened a week or so before the kidnapping? I can't remember whether I posted on the forum, or just asked the other astro-sleuthers in emails, but am pretty sure I asked on this forum...

Anyway, I spotted this post over in the main forum. It seems, if the poster is correct that something of significance did happen!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3397110&postcount=191

Just checked Haleigh's chart again. It was around the new Moon on Sunday January 26th that stress aspects show up in H's chart. I really want to know what happened that weekend, as it might be pertinent to our research on the potential "whos".

Zoe Bogart

03-02-2009, 08:13 PM

Yes, housemouse, I remember your posing the question. It's a question that should always be posed in cases like these because none of these cases seem to happen in a vacuum, something always is the trigger.

I agree there are too many vile things going on in the Satsuma area and possibly in Putnam County. Sure knocks out the idea that small towns are peaceful and safe places to live. :behindbar

Thanks for the charts. I haven't heard if the FBI has become involved. LE is certainly tight-mouthed on this one, aren't they? I think the difference is they don't have only ONE perp in mind, as they had with the Caylee case, and the Anthony perp was arrested the day after Caylee was reported missing, so that makes a huge difference. In this case, if they arrested everyone suspected, the jail would be full and the town would be empty!

housemouse

03-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Yes, housemouse, I remember your posing the question. It's a question that should always be posed in cases like these because none of these cases seem to happen in a vacuum, something always is the trigger.

I agree there are too many vile things going on in the Satsuma area and possibly in Putnam County. Sure knocks out the idea that small towns are peaceful and safe places to live. :behindbar

Thanks for the charts. I haven't heard if the FBI has become involved. LE is certainly tight-mouthed on this one, aren't they? I think the difference is they don't have only ONE perp in mind, as they had with the Caylee case, and the Anthony perp was arrested the day after Caylee was reported missing, so that makes a huge difference. In this case, if they arrested everyone suspected, the jail would be full and the town would be empty!

Laughing sadly at your last sentence... And that would be a bad thing?

Seriously, the reason I hope the FBI is involved is that I am suspicious of "good ol' boy" cover-up activity. I also hope that whichever alphabet agencies charged with uncovering drug rings, porno rings, both kiddie and adult, are also on the scene.

Something here stinks to high heaven, and we do not need charts to figure that out!

Asker

03-02-2009, 08:32 PM

Misty's Venus is not only conjunct Snodgrass' Saturn/Venus in Scorpio but Misty's Venus serves as the midpoint between his Saturn at 2 Scorpio and his Venus at 4 Scorpio. Her Pluto at 21 Scorpio is conjunct his Mercury at 20 Scorpio. Depending on her exact time of birth, Misty's Moon may be conjunct his North Node.

This would be a similar synastry to that of Misty's with Ron. Her Venus conjuncts his Mercury/Sun/Saturn stellium in Scorpio.

So despite the differences in their ages Snodgrass may be the sort of guy Misty might like hanging out with.

Salem

03-02-2009, 08:39 PM

Guys - I am just expressing an opinion here, so take it for what that is worth..... My hinky meter is at bright orange, almost red alert on the new poster in the Haliegh forum. Some things are not ringing true concerning the involvement with the family, etc.

That doesn't mean the poster doesn't know what they are posting about, just that their relationship to the case is somewhat obscure in my opinion.

Salem

Would that be more Neptune influence? (j/k)

Salem

03-02-2009, 08:45 PM

His POB is probably either Sandusky or Cleveland...don't know how much help that is.

This guy also uses the alias Daniel E. Sangrass according to search results from the following site: http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Salem

housemouse

03-02-2009, 08:50 PM

Guys - I am just expressing an opinion here, so take it for what that is worth..... My hinky meter is at bright orange, almost red alert on the new poster in the Haliegh forum. Some things are not ringing true concerning the involvement with the family, etc.

That doesn't mean the poster doesn't know what they are posting about, just that their relationship to the case is somewhat obscure in my opinion.

Salem

You are wise, Salem. I have posted twice to her thread, asking if she can find out what might have happened the weekend on Jan 25th and 26th. So far she hasn't answered. I always hesitate when people are too secretive, and my neck hairs stand up.

hockeymom

03-02-2009, 09:10 PM

You are wise, Salem. I have posted twice to her thread, asking if she can find out what might have happened the weekend on Jan 25th and 26th. So far she hasn't answered. I always hesitate when people are too secretive, and my neck hairs stand up.

I agree. The only reason I feel she could be legit ,is because Tricia seems to have established a relationship with her and she seems to believe her. That being said,I have PM'd Anna and asked her to either post here or answer your question on the other thread.
If she is afraid to post publically she can PM me back with that information. If she ignores me,I think I'll be more inclined to think she isn't for real.

beckaroozie

03-02-2009, 09:13 PM

Where does this guy 'rate' on our list based on the charts? Do you think he supplants DonS as #1?

Soulscape

03-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Where does this guy 'rate' on our list based on the charts? Do you think he supplants DonS as #1?

I have been reviewing & re-reviewing his chart and comparing with the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA and the 911 Call Chart.

First, as both I and Housemouse have pointed out a few posts above, his natal connections with Haleigh are very nasty, no doubt.

This is a person who uses, hurts and abuses without thinking twice about it (as evidenced by his "rap" sheet). The sexual component is partly shown by natal EROS (sexual interests, compulsion, "turn-ons"). His natal EROS is semisextile his natal MARS/TORO conjunction (aggressive/brutal action), semisquare his natal URANUS (sudden aggression; easily set-off and reactionary; blows up without thinking), semisquare his natal NEPTUNE (gets worked up over his fantasies) and opposite natal (Sunrise) MOON. Very nasty indeed.

His natal MARS semisquare PLUTO is a marker for violence and abuse, and his natal MOON sesquiquadrate both URANUS and NEPTUNE gives more emphasis to emotional instability and a sudden, explosive nature set off by emotions (a "loose cannon" aspect).

HOWEVER........... the Event Charts don't seem to "trigger" anything into action. Maybe I've missed something here, so I would appreciate Tuba's input, and perhaps if Kaitland is feeling well enough to look at Snodg's secondary progressions, she could comment.

For now, I'm going to back off on Snodg. I don't think he was the one that took Haleigh.

Thanks,
Soulscape

tabbykiki

03-02-2009, 09:46 PM

LOL no biggie, I just couldn't resist... :)

Here's my three previous posts that were at the end of the #2 thread:

Thanks for the latest chart on the dog search. Very interesting stuff.

Forgive me if this has been asked and I have missed it, but is it possible to see in the chart you have already created when the most likely date will be of finding the body?

I remember in the Caylee thread (was it Tuba?) that had posted some significant dates Dec 11, 12, 13 and stated something about it being "days Casey would want to wipe off the calendar" or similar to that effect. As we all know, little Caylee was discovered one of those days.

Have we gotten any inclination as to important dates in this search (find body, etc) yet according to charts that have already been cast?

Also, with Haleigh being in the 12th house, and water predominantly in the 10th house, what significance or correlation does this possibly have? I believe it was discussed previously there was a strong possibility that she is in water.... If that were the case wouldn't water be in the 12th house?

Such a newbie here, so please forgive if this is an elementary question.

Last question, I promise. On the latest chart I see the "part of find" located in the 3rd house, which is the opposite of "part of death" on the wheel. Does this mean she will be found (or partially found) opposite of when she died? To me this means half way around the wheel, or 6 months as in half of the year. So possibly be found in August? Or does it mean found during Cancer's sun sign?

Okay back to lurking and thanks for not humiliating me in your future responses...

Salem

03-02-2009, 10:14 PM

Ahhhh - tabbykiki I didn't answer, because I don't know the answers. :) I do think your questions just got lost at the end of the other thread. Sometimes, when this thread is moving fast, there is no time for going back until something is needed.

And - we all would try to NEVER, EVER humilate you. Only mean people do things like that.

Salem

housemouse

03-02-2009, 10:15 PM

LOL no biggie, I just couldn't resist...

Here's my three previous posts that were at the end of the #2 thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by TABBYKIKI
Thanks for the latest chart on the dog search. Very interesting stuff.

Forgive me if this has been asked and I have missed it, but is it possible to see in the chart you have already created when the most likely date will be of finding the body?

I remember in the Caylee thread (was it Tuba?) that had posted some significant dates Dec 11, 12, 13 and stated something about it being "days Casey would want to wipe off the calendar" or similar to that effect. As we all know, little Caylee was discovered one of those days.

Have we gotten any inclination as to important dates in this search (find body, etc) yet according to charts that have already been cast?

Ok, I have been looking at the chart comparison for Caylee's natal, and the date her body was found. One thing I noticed was that there was a hard aspect between Jupiter and Uranus (can't remember whether it was a semi-square or a sesquiquadrate at the moment) Ebertin considers this a "Thank The Lord" aspect.

So, I then go to look for a similar aspect forming in Haleigh's chart, and see nothing coming up soon. So, I tuck that in the back of my mind, and look for other Jupiter aspects. I see coming up in early May, then later on toward the end of July. But, these do not involve Uranus, and are in hard aspect to H's Sun, Venus, and Saturn. Then, remind myself to check mid-points, which I haven't gotten around to yet...

There were other significant aspects the day Caylee was found, but it takes time to compile and search for future dates in Haleigh's chart that might be similar. Something usually comes along to interrupt my searches, like requests/demands that I drop everything, and run another chart on other possible perps. (remember that kafuffle?)

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Originally Posted by TABBYKIKI
Also, with Haleigh being in the 12th house, and water predominantly in the 10th house, what significance or correlation does this possibly have? I believe it was discussed previously there was a strong possibility that she is in water.... If that were the case wouldn't water be in the 12th house?

Remember, we all use different techniques, and we do not have an accurate time of birth for Haleigh. My technique, used for Caylee, was based on her 4th house and 8th house, but I had her birth time.

There are a lot of Neptune indications in the charts surrounding Haleigh, and these can symbolize anything associated with Neptune, including confusion, drugs, chemicals, water, asphyxiation, lies, fraud, persons of doubtful character, nicotine, alcohol, and more.

Such a newbie here, so please forgive if this is an elementary question.
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Originally Posted by TABBYKIKI
Last question, I promise. On the latest chart I see the "part of find" located in the 3rd house, which is the opposite of "part of death" on the wheel. Does this mean she will be found (or partially found) opposite of when she died? To me this means half way around the wheel, or 6 months as in half of the year. So possibly be found in August? Or does it mean found during Cancer's sun sign?

Okay back to lurking and thanks for not humiliating me in your future responses...

Again, the technique I use does not depend on houses. I look for significant stress aspects to Haliegh's natal planets, and have only half of the picture to work with, since I do not have her most personal positions of the moon, her ascendant, and her midheaven. That means any personal midpoints involving these are also unreliable.

But, I will be looking to see what I can find when I get the time. Right now everyone is hot on working up the charts of the latest potential perp. I am sickened by how many "persons of doubtful character" surrounded this little girl. Not only her parents, and live-in, but the rest of the entire clan, and all the neighbors.

There is a possibility that Haleigh will never be found, particularly if she were placed in the river. But, I can't tell that from the chart.

Zoe Bogart

03-02-2009, 10:20 PM

Seriously, the reason I hope the FBI is involved is that I am suspicious of "good ol' boy" cover-up activity. I also hope that whichever alphabet agencies charged with uncovering drug rings, porno rings, both kiddie and adult, are also on the scene.

Something here stinks to high heaven, and we do not need charts to figure that out!

I'm with you, housemouse, I've been looking for the FBI since the beginning. It's extremely disturbing how many SOs and druggies are living in the area, how many people have connections to each other, and there is the "good old boy" concern, also. I know how little towns can operate, and big towns, too. :cool:

tabbykiki

03-02-2009, 11:33 PM

Thanks for answering all of my questions HM! Very much appreciated :)

housemouse

03-03-2009, 12:24 AM

I spotted the post, and thought about posting it, but decided not to for fear it was just a rumor.

I am glad you did, however. But, we need to be sure it isn't a rumor. It sounds like she has passed it along to LE, right? A lot depends on the exact date of that "fight". There seems to be confusion about which fight took place which weekend.

Also, we do need to figure out exactly who Mistie was with during that 3 day bender the weekend just before Haleigh went missing.

nursebeeme

03-03-2009, 12:36 AM

House, the thread has since been moved to the parking lot. However, fwiw, I think this person, per Tricia, is on the up and up and Tricia did say that this person could not provide links etc...

I know what you mean... it is a thin line! With what you all are able to do tho...if what she is reporting is what it is.....it could possibly line up in your charts, right? It will be interesting to see..

Thanks to you astros for all you do! I sincerely mean it. Whenever I come upon something I think could be of value to you all I try to get it over here for you to add in.

You guys seriously rock

Zoe Bogart

03-03-2009, 12:45 AM

Well, if I this is true, it certainly casts a dark shadow over the people who were supposed to be Haleigh's staunchest allies. By not fessing up, they are choosing themselves over that poor innocent child. We've known from the beginning they were holding back, Ron seemed to know who had Haleigh the night of the 911 call and Misty isn't telling the whole truth and neither is Ron. There are no words..............

housemouse

03-03-2009, 12:47 AM

Here is a bad astrological pun that just occurred to me...

If Haliegh was carried off over water, while Neptune was in hard aspect to her Sun, Venus, and Saturn on the 10th, by drug runners... perhaps it was one of those "cigarette boats".

Send me to bed before I think up any more of these.

nursebeeme

03-03-2009, 11:00 AM

If Anna Fl's thread has been moved to the parking lot, should we delete the posts copied and pasted from the thread?

I have to head for bed, but maybe Fifth will see my post, and ask Tricia if she wants them deleted. If so, Fifth or Tricia can delete them, if they think it important to do so.

I have a few ideas/opinions floating around in my head, but think it wise to sleep on them. Will be on as soon as I get my morning duties taken care of, and they do take awhile, as some of you understand. it has been moved back onto the general thread per Tricia. Hope you got some good sleep ;-)

nursebeeme

03-03-2009, 11:10 AM

okay fifth! It seemed to go back and forth with that decision... hope the info was helpful tho ;-) (that was pasted)

FifthEssence

03-03-2009, 11:32 AM

The AnnaFL thread has been moved back and forth between the Main forum and the Parking Lot. As a cautious measure, quotes copied from that thread will be removed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif

This is a FORENSIC ASTROLOGY FORUM.
IF you find something of importance on the main forum and wish to bring it to our attention, simply post the LINK-no need to write about it. In order for us to do charts, keep in mind we need dates, locations, times, birth date of a party in question, dates,time & location of events or incidents.

Appreciate your understanding.

Tuba

03-03-2009, 12:37 PM

Ordinarily, a Full Moon on native's Mercury is not a big flashing signal but this same Mercury in Haleigh's chart suffered the transit of Saturn on disappearance night. We began the present astro-period with a New Moon on Haleigh's Mars. That should bring results on Tuesday, March 10.

As you know, the Mercury is identified to caretaker Misty. And you know why: House 6 is Virgo, ruled by Mercury. House 6 is caretaking and caretakers. Later in March, we have a New Moon on the original Venus from the night of the disappearance. Matters seem to be moving slowly with too many suspects but matters are moving!

sweetmop

03-03-2009, 12:39 PM

Thank you housemouse for all your very informative posts... you are very Gifted, that's for sure.
I'm in amazement of you here, really. I am trying to study and learn in my spare time. I bought an old book, (a very old book...copywright 1923) at a used book store the other day entitled, Raphel's Famous Key to Astrology . Are you familiar with it?
Thank you for all of the hard work and your time it entails to do all you do here!

housemouse

03-03-2009, 12:50 PM

I am not familiar with that book, but it might be valuable some day. Do you like it, and is it helpful?

sweetmop

03-03-2009, 12:57 PM

I am not familiar with that book, but it might be valuable some day. Do you like it, and is it helpful?
Yes, It is very informative and helpful. Of course I may need a remedial book on this subject actually! LOL!
The dedication in the front of the book says it is dedicated to the memory of Robert Cross, whose untimely death in 1923 deprived the astrological world of that one who first sought to make horoscopic methods available for the general public. And Robert Cross is referred to many times in the book.

housemouse

03-03-2009, 01:05 PM

Ordinarily, a Full Moon on native's Mercury is not a big flashing signal but this same Mercury in Haleigh's chart suffered the transit of Saturn on disappearance night. We began the present astro-period with a New Moon on Haleigh's Mars. That should bring results on Tuesday, March 10.

As you know, the Mercury is identified to caretaker Misty. And you know why: House 6 is Virgo, ruled by Mercury. House 6 is caretaking and caretakers. Later in March, we have a New Moon on the original Venus from the night of the disappearance. Matters seem to be moving slowly with too many suspects but matters are moving!

Good catch, Tuba. The full Moon on the tenth is in hard aspect to Haliegh's Mercury, according to the graphic ephemeris for her chart.

Mercury is opposing her Venus and Sun tomorrow, (Mar 4th) and is sesquiquadrate her Saturn also.

On the 6th, Mars will oppose her Venus, and on the 7th, her Sun, then sesquiquadrates her Saturn. Mercury is opposing her Jupiter on the 7th.

On the 9th, Mercury will oppose her Uranus.

Watching these transits will keep us busy listening to the news to see if any developments are released to the public. Mercury moves very quickly as some of you might notice, but it also rules the news, the neighborhood, information.

I am thinking the 6th because of the Mars transit, but wonder what the rest of you think.

Will post the transits for later on in March, since these are enough to work with for now.

KAITLAND

03-03-2009, 03:40 PM

Clearing cobwebs from my mind….

Yes, Tuba & HM, I also think the full moon on the 10th unleashes a torrent of info shedding light on the details of Haleigh’s disappearance. It attends the arrival of Mercury at 01 Pisces conjunct Haleigh’s natal Uranus (shocking news). Mercury will join contentious Mars at 07 Pisces later that week. Sounds like show down time.

On high notice is Saturday, the 7th: the transiting Mars at 24 Aquarius opposition to her Sun at 24 Leo is exactly square her fated Nodal axis 24 Taurus/Scorpio - making this an intense, fateful, fixed grand cross!

Soulscape

03-03-2009, 04:11 PM

Clearing cobwebs from my mind….

Yes, Tuba & HM, I also think the full moon on the 10th unleashes a torrent of info shedding light on the details of Haleigh’s disappearance. It attends the arrival of Mercury at 01 Pisces conjunct Haleigh’s natal Uranus (shocking news). Mercury will join contentious Mars at 07 Pisces later that week. Sounds like show down time.

On high notice is Saturday, the 7th: the transiting Mars at 24 Aquarius opposition to her Sun at 24 Leo is exactly square her fated Nodal axis 24 Taurus/Scorpio - making this an intense, fateful, fixed grand cross!

Transiting Mars in Aquarius has been crossing the intercepted and loaded second house of the 911 call and at 24 degrees will start moving away from Neptune……more aggressive tactics can part the clouds of Neptune’s illusion.

And, the arrival of Mercury at 01 Pisces (Haleigh’s Uranus), it exactly opposes the 911 call’s Moon in Virgo (caretaker)

And what else gets illuminated? See the 20:39 Pisces/Virgo full moon falls exactly, and oh so stressfully across the 3rd/9th house axis of news media hitting by degree the Saturn/Uranus opposition.

KAITLAND

03-03-2009, 04:14 PM

Ah Soulscape - our minds are in sync this afternoon!

housemouse

03-03-2009, 04:42 PM

I hope we are all on target, but it is important to remember that we do not know exactly what will happen with these transits, and, if LE continues to keep their cards so close to their chests, we may not hear about it until much later.

I am slowly slogging my way through the Anna Fl thread. About the time I get one page finished, there are two more popping up at the end.

The FM will form a t-square to Misty’s Sagittarius Mercury 14:45 and Sun 16:56 square her Jupiter 13:54 Virgo. Will this trigger some clarity?

Important about this full moon also is that it is tightly connected to the long lived and obnoxious Saturn in Virgo- Uranus in Pisces opposition, now at 18 and 22 degrees respectively. Moon on that Saturn is sure to bring tears with the Sun’s glare touching off Uranus.

Tuba

03-03-2009, 04:46 PM

March 7-11 also bring a Super Moon at 90% perigee to Putnam County. Big light shed on this at last.

KAITLAND

03-03-2009, 04:52 PM

RE: D. Snodgrass
I have been reviewing & re-reviewing his chart and comparing with the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA and the 911 Call Chart.

First, as both I and Housemouse have pointed out a few posts above, his natal connections with Haleigh are very nasty, no doubt.

This is a person who uses, hurts and abuses without thinking twice about it (as evidenced by his "rap" sheet). The sexual component is partly shown by natal EROS (sexual interests, compulsion, "turn-ons"). His natal EROS is semisextile his natal MARS/TORO conjunction (aggressive/brutal action), semisquare his natal URANUS (sudden aggression; easily set-off and reactionary; blows up without thinking), semisquare his natal NEPTUNE (gets worked up over his fantasies) and opposite natal (Sunrise) MOON. Very nasty indeed.

His natal MARS semisquare PLUTO is a marker for violence and abuse, and his natal MOON sesquiquadrate both URANUS and NEPTUNE gives more emphasis to emotional instability and a sudden, explosive nature set off by emotions (a "loose cannon" aspect).

HOWEVER........... the Event Charts don't seem to "trigger" anything into action. Maybe I've missed something here, so I would appreciate Tuba's input, and perhaps if Kaitland is feeling well enough to look at Snodg's secondary progressions, she could comment.

For now, I'm going to back off on Snodg. I don't think he was the one that took Haleigh.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Yes, the interactions with her chart are very, very nasty. Don't like this guy at all. I'm still coming out of the fog here, but I think I read that he was at the house with Misty on the day of the abduction? Possibly at the same time as the A/C man? Can someone clarify this for me?

Also read that the children were outside playing together...as I mentioned was a possibility in the "Visitors" chart analysis. Who was watching them?

The FM will form a t-square to Misty’s Sagittarius Mercury 14:45 and Sun 16:56 square her Jupiter 13:54 Virgo. Will this trigger some clarity?

Important about this full moon also is that it is tightly connected to the long lived and obnoxious Saturn in Virgo- Uranus in Pisces opposition, now at 18 and 22 degrees respectively. Moon on that Saturn is sure to bring tears with the Sun’s glare touching off Uranus.

Guys I am so very intrested in astrology, but I am having a really hard time following what is being said. Does anyone happen to have a book or something they could recommened to help me make since of this?

In the above post that I quoted are you saying that Ronald and Misty are involved? Or are you saying that the news will be a shock and cause tears for Ronald and Misty?

Sorry I am astrologically challenged but I am trying.

Tuba

03-03-2009, 05:40 PM

butterfly, it someone has a planet that is hit exactly, it signals that this person will be affected. It does not mean the person is or is not involved in a guilty manner. Since we do not have birth times, we do not have real wheels for the people in the case but we do have real wheels for an event like the 911 emergency call. When you have a real wheel, you can see who is an active and who is a passive participant.

butterfly1978

03-03-2009, 05:53 PM

AHHH, okay I see... Thank you Tuba.

I just found the thread that was posted that gives us links to websites and books to read about astrology. I will be reading up so I dont have so many questions, LOL.

Thanks guys for your hard work!

housemouse

03-03-2009, 05:55 PM

I will try to explain the jargon, which is the hardest part of getting up to speed with astrology. We have an unfortunate tendency to write in jargon, forgetting that it just sounds like turkeygobbles to many of you.

FM stands for Full Moon. The full Moon illuminates the dark landscape around us at night, and let's us see things a bit more clearly. There is a cycle to the Moon, from new to full, then back down to new again.

So, when we say that the full moon hits Ron's Mars and Venus, we mean that these two planets in his natal chart are being illuminated/highlighted/stressed by this Moon, and if you understand that when the Moon is full, it is actually opposing the Sun, so by opposition, the Sun is also involved in the transit to Ron's Mars and Venus.

So, what does that actually mean will happen? That is what most newcomers to astrology will want to know, and they are hoping for something specific. That is where some astrologers make mistakes. We have no way to know anything specific with astrology.

All we can say is that it is time for something (we know not exactly what) to happen. Whatever it will be has something to do with Ron's Mars (energy/anger/action/temper/irritability/impulsiveness/urge to criticize) and...

So, we can conclude that Ron might be very critical of Misty, might lose his temper with her or some other young woman, have a fight over money, or pay more money to get another tattoo?. Tattoos are done with sharp instruments, and some consider them a work of art. But, since he just had one, doubt that this is likely.

When looking at a transit to a natal chart, we do not take one in isolation, as I did above, but we have to consider other transits happening around the same time, as these will give more information.

So, the Mercury transit to Ron's Chiron gives us that. Mercury rules words/news/neighborhood/hands/intellect/dexterity, and Chiron is considered symbolic of "wounding or the wounded healer". The orb to Uranus is kind of wide the way I work, but if it is active, we might expect some sudden speech critical of Misty, or an argument with her over money, something going on in the neighborhood, etc...

We make up sentences this way, but we are smart to wait and see what we hear on the news (Mercury) or TV (Uranus) to see what exactly happens to fit the energies shown by the transits to the chart...

housemouse

03-03-2009, 06:10 PM

I must sound like a broken record, but I still want to know what happened on the weekend of January 26th. There was a new Moon that Sunday, and along with Venus, it activated Haleigh's Mercury. There might be a clue there that would help to figure all this out.

She disappeared two weeks later at the full Moon, when Saturn and Uranus were still very close to her Mercury. These two were exactly in opposition the week before she went missing.

Zoe Bogart

03-03-2009, 06:16 PM

Thanks, Astrologers, for the information regarding upcoming transits, which may bring news in this case. The sooner, the better, for all concerned, even if the end result is tragic. I hate seeing the families living their lives on hold, in tents, possibly ruining their health, etc., all the things that come with such a tragic situation.

Thanks for the explanation, Tuba. While I understand all the astrological jargon, I know there are many others who want a guideline. I've found I'm learning more and more, just reading everyone's forensic/horary posts in the Anthony, Anderson, Dubois threads, along with this one about Haleigh. Not having been learned in this type of astrology previously, I find these case studies are excellent learning tools. I just wish they didn't have to be so traumatic.

For all those interested in learning any form of astrology, start with the basics. Check the Astrology Library thread in this forum for books and suggestions. I need to add more stuff to the list, so I'll be posting there shortly. Thanks again, Astrologers. Without a doubt, this is the best forum on Websleuths.

KAITLAND

03-03-2009, 06:26 PM

That is wise advice Aksleuth - to learn astrology by starting with the basics. It's a very deep and vast subject and we can get easily overwhelmed with the details. It's also good to start with something easy that is fun to read...sort of like a novel. I'll post some things to the library also.

butterfly1978

03-03-2009, 06:54 PM

Thank you so very much for the explanation Housemouse, and thanks to the restof you for having patience with me. I read for a long time before I started posting, I thoughts I had things pretty much figured out, lol, but guess not.

Dihan

03-03-2009, 08:13 PM

thanks for explaining the turkeygobbles housemouse, i seldom know what you are all saying till you splain it, but still luv to read all you all have to say and dont want to bother you with ?'s

housemouse

03-03-2009, 08:44 PM

Your questions also serve to focus our minds, and sharpen our abilities, so please do not hesitate to ask, ever.

Salem

03-03-2009, 11:28 PM

Housemouse - did you see the answer to your question on the Haliegh main thread? Stormy said she did not want to answer because she did not think it was safe.

I'm sorry I didn't get the link for you :(

Salem

Here's the link to the thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80780&page=7

Page 7, post #165
Page 8, post #189

housemouse

03-03-2009, 11:46 PM

Yes, Salem, I saw it, and answered both her, and another poster, basically saying that we should drop it, since she seems to feel that answering might put her in danger.

Very interesting, isn't it!

Now I am off to examine the midpoint to the various charts for that weekend very closely! But, probably won't be posting until tomorrow, because it is time to get some sleep. Don't want to make mistakes with this one.

Jersey*Girl

03-04-2009, 12:41 AM

I don't know if this is the case, but...it's been said that Ron robbed a drug dealer (at gunpoint?) recently. Could that have been what happened the weekend of Jan 26th? I'll keep searching through tomorrow. I read it but think the post was deleted. I have no idea if that info will help the charts, but I honestly think I remember reading that the robbery took place that weekend in question.

KAITLAND

03-04-2009, 01:42 AM

Crystal’s chart is not spared from the upcoming full moon energy either. She has Uranus at 17:22 Sagittarius (critical degree) in the solar 8th house (death). Her moon is in Virgo, but we cannot be sure of the degree without a birth time; in the solar chart it is at 9 degrees in square to Uranus, and also square Mars at 2:49 Gemini. So the FM will form a tense t-square with Uranus; it is a bit off the moon; but Mercury in Pisces will oppose the moon and combine with Gemini Mars for a t-square.

So, we see the full moon will release a great deal of energy in the charts of Haleigh, Ronald, Misty, and Crystal. Pisces/Virgo are mutable signs, changing, fluid. But it is tied up with electric, unpredictable Uranus and stern, Lord of Karma Saturn. Something has got to give

Salem

03-04-2009, 01:48 AM

I don't know if this is the case, but...it's been said that Ron robbed a drug dealer (at gunpoint?) recently. Could that have been what happened the weekend of Jan 26th? I'll keep searching through tomorrow. I read it but think the post was deleted. I have no idea if that info will help the charts, but I honestly think I remember reading that the robbery took place that weekend in question.

I read this also - I think it is in the 1st Anna thread, maybe towards the end of the thread? I'm too tired to go look right now but will help you in the morning.

Very interesting.

Salem

KAITLAND

03-04-2009, 01:52 AM

I also remember reading that there was a question as to whether the alleged robbery took place the weekend before Haleigh was abducted, or two weekends before (which would be the end of Jan.).

Dont know if this helps or not but I was following the Annie thread to, Her was what you guys are talking about. I still havent figured out alot so work with me here on posts.
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Jersey*Girl

03-04-2009, 02:30 AM

Thank you, butterfly...I love you for posting that! Have a nice night...Jersey

Interesting post from Anna. You know - this is O/T, sorry guys - but I just have to say it....

I'm beginning to think LE is "shady" here, for lack of a better word. Three dogs hit at the dumpster and LE finds nothing? Nancy Grace and her forensic expert tore this up last night - three dogs trained to smell cadaverine (sp?) are not going to hit on blood in a dumpster. There is something wrong with this. One dog might make a false hit, but 3? Not going to happen! Everyone on NG last night said this would not happen. So what is the real truth behind the dumpster? I could go on here, but I'm O/T so I better stop. Ohhhhhh - in one post Anna says she thinks an arrest is imminent and then in this post says LE has nothing??

My head hurts. I'm putting my faith in the full moon and the recent posts from ALL of our astros regarding the energy to be unleashed.

Salem

Jersey*Girl

03-04-2009, 12:25 PM

Astros, I agree with Salem. I've researched alot of these people and find several shady connections. It might just be coincidence, though. Still, I feel as though I should pose this question: Is it possible for a chart to show any shady dealings with the LE involved in this case? In other words, could LE not only be hiding something, but be hiding something maliciously. I'm thinking maybe there's a PCSO, PPD, EMS, or just plain political person in power that might be connected in some way. I keep wondering if maybe there's more to this. Forgive me as I know this could be far fetched, but I simply cannot erase my gut. Heck, maybe LE is just doing everything they can to run a tight ship so that the perp doesn't skate out, and that's the reason for all the non-information. Thanks to you all.

housemouse

03-04-2009, 12:58 PM

another post from Anna Fl about that particular weekend not being safe to discuss...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3407324&postcount=349

Salem

03-04-2009, 01:01 PM

I saw that! Interesting......

Salem

salvarenga

03-04-2009, 02:08 PM

I gather from reading Anna and Stormy's posts that they are very Pro Crystal Sheffield. I have seen quite a few mistruths being put out to make Crystal appear more angel like and Ron appear more like the devil.

I'll admit I read their posts but I would prefer to hear from an unbiased source what their thoughts would be on that particular weekend and why talking about it would be so dangerous. I mean after all just saying that it is dangerous to talk about doesn't that bring danger in itself. Does that make sense? That's why I think they could be making much ado about nothing.

Asker

03-04-2009, 03:47 PM

Interesting post from Anna. You know - this is O/T, sorry guys - but I just have to say it....

I'm beginning to think LE is "shady" here, for lack of a better word. Three dogs hit at the dumpster and LE finds nothing? Nancy Grace and her forensic expert tore this up last night - three dogs trained to smell cadaverine (sp?) are not going to hit on blood in a dumpster. There is something wrong with this. One dog might make a false hit, but 3? Not going to happen! Everyone on NG last night said this would not happen. So what is the real truth behind the dumpster? I could go on here, but I'm O/T so I better stop. Ohhhhhh - in one post Anna says she thinks an arrest is imminent and then in this post says LE has nothing??

My head hurts. I'm putting my faith in the full moon and the recent posts from ALL of our astros regarding the energy to be unleashed.

Salem

I don't think LE is "shady" per se but just being deliberately silent. I too was curious about why so little is made of the THREE cadaver dogs hitting on the same dumpster so I asked a horary question.

I asked the question: Did the cadaver dogs find something death related in the dumpster?

I asked the question on March 4, 2009 at 12:45:16 p.m. at 087W54 43N02

Asc is 17 Cancer therefore the chart is ruled ruled by the Moon. The Moon is in the 12th house in Gemini. People aren’t talking or aren’t being honest. The public is ruled by the Moon…the public is being kept in the dark and doesn’t know all of the info about the cadaver dog hits on the dumpster. This includes the immediate family.

The 6th house rules animals, work, and service in general. Pluto in Capricorn is in the 6th house showing this chart is radical. Pluto rules death as in Cadaver Dogs. Pluto is ruled by Scorpio which is on the cusp of the 5th house ruling children and thus ruling Haleigh.

Sagittarius is on the cusp of the 6th house so the dogs are represented in the chart by Jupiter. This also shows the chart is radical as Jupiter corresponds to law and law enforcement.

Jupiter the ruler of the cadaver dogs is in the 8th house of dumpsters and death. This shows the dogs DID find something in the dumpster (the Pluto in the 6th house backs this up). Mars (ruler of the intercepted 10th house of Authorities) just went over Jupiter a few days ago. This is the first indication the Authorities are trying to keep the cadaver dog findings under wraps.

Mars traditionally also rules Scorpio which is on the 5th house cusp ruling children and in this chart ruling Haleigh. Mars is in the 8th house (dumpster, death) and is separating from Jupiter (the cadaver dogs). The dogs DID find something related to Haleigh in the dumpster.

In this chart Jupiter, Mars, Chiron, Mercury, and Neptune are all conjunct in the 8th house in the sign of Aquarius. Because all of these planets are connected to Jupiter, the ruler of the cadaver dogs, all of these planets need to be considered in reading this horary.

Mars is conjunct Chiron which is an asteroid often called The Wounded Healer or The Wound that Will Never Heal. Chiron is conjunct Mercury which rules the 12th house (where the Moon representing the publid is placed). Secrets are being kept relative to the dumpster/death.

Mercury also rules the 4th house…the end of the matter. Mercury is conjunct Neptune which rules the 10th house of Authorities. The Authorities are keeping secrets…they are not talking about the dumpster and the dogs.

All of these planets are in Aquarius which has two rulers. The modern ruler is Uranus. Uranus rules the 8th house and is in the 9th house in Pisces. The 9th house is publicity and law enforcement. Uranus is surprises, shocks, and information in general but especially *technical* information but in Pisces the information is being kept quiet or secret.

The traditional ruler of Aquarius is Saturn. Saturn rules the 7th house (other people in general) and Saturn is in the 3rd house of communications in Virgo and Saturn is retrograde. Authorities may be re-evaluating the data but have not communicated anything to the public. There is tension (an opposition) between Uranus in the 9th house and Saturn in the 3rd house…both ruling the 8th house of dumpsters and death.

There is an interception in the 10th house of Authorities. Perhaps all authorities are not in agreement about how to handle this info which might be part of the tension. Venus in Aries is in the intercepted 10th house. Venus often represents young females. Venus is in her detriment in Aries (not in good condition). Aries is ruled by Mars (in the 8th house) which might indicate abuse of a sexual or physical nature or both. Venus is separating from a sextile with Jupiter. Because Venus is intercepted in the 10th it may be that Authorities are trying to keep her connection to Jupiter (the cadaver dogs) under wraps.

Back to the chart ruler, the Moon in Gemini in the 12th house. The Moon is in a fairly tight T-square with Uranus and Saturn. The public may be quietly wondering about the cadaver dog hits but not asking many questions but that may change soon.

The last aspect the Moon makes before changing signs is a trine to Neptune in the 8th house and the ruler of the Authorities. For the time being the public seems content to go along with the silence from the Authorities and does not press much about the cadaver dog hits.

FifthEssence

03-04-2009, 04:32 PM

DO NOT POST ANY MORE RUMORS HERE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/romancingthestone/DOGblinking.gif
Astologers do not use rumors or hearsay when formulating charts.

*we appreciate everyones desire to solve this case. If there is a post out on the main forum that you think should be brought to our attention, just post the link. Thank you.

FifthEssence

03-04-2009, 04:45 PM

tx fifth for the info. My thing is psychic. Im not one of those special powers people, but sometimes I get a feeling.

Hello ORB4ME,

Here is a link to the Psychic/Dream Thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80176

This is an Astrology Forum.
Thank you

Lovejac

03-04-2009, 05:09 PM

Asker, thank you for your most iinformative post. I believed that something of significance was found in that dumpster. It is nice to have confirmation from the stars & planets above. Thank you for your time and easy to follow explanation.

salvarenga

03-04-2009, 05:27 PM

This afternoon at 3:30pm Anna FL posted that she was on the phone with family and there was lots of commotion. Another poster in the area posted that there were lots of helicopters around. Basically they have everyone on pins and needles thinking this is some type of major break in the case. If you have time and don't feel it's a bother could any of you see if a chart shows anything of signifigance happening right now involving this case. If you do not have time, I completely understand.

Capri

03-04-2009, 05:46 PM

the Anna & Stormy posts of the day stated that LE has requested DNA tests of all family members and a few close friends like Misty. I have nothing (link) to confirm this, other than it came from Stormy/Anna, and they're not being required to provide links since their info is directly from LE.

Jersey*Girl

03-04-2009, 05:50 PM

Asker, thank you so much for explaining all of that. It was very informative. I, too, feel as though they found some kind of evidence in the dumpster. Hopefully it all come to light soon. Keep up the good work. :blowkiss:

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 05:55 PM

From what I remember the charts stated that something may happen March the 7th or the 10.... Is there anything in the charts really telling about today, Soulscape, Tube, Housemouse anyone????

Asker

03-04-2009, 06:10 PM

Thanks Jersey and Lovejac! Butterfly, I pulled up an event chart for 3:30p.m. in Satsuma but the only thing that jumped out at me was that the South Node was conjunct the Asc (not a good sign). Pluto was in the 5th house of children and ruling the 4th house of family. I look at Pluto to signify DNA because Pluto rules reproductive issues and investigations. In this chart Pluto is unaspected. An unaspected planet tends to "run" the entire chart so perhaps there is something to the DNA of the family being requested. Other than that I just saw things that indicated information is still being withheld by the authorities.

beckaroozie

03-04-2009, 06:35 PM

Great question regarding the dumpster Asker. Thanks very much for your insightful analysis!

LE is being very tight-lipped about the whole case, and you can't really blame them because everyone there is a suspect. I guess they don't want to tip off their hand to the perp. JMO

housemouse

03-04-2009, 07:03 PM

From what I remember the charts stated that something may happen March the 7th or the 10.... Is there anything in the charts really telling about today, Soulscape, Tube, Housemouse anyone????

I regret that my husband has needed more attention today than usual, so haven't had as much time for the charts as they deserve.

But, from a quick look, and please know that all of us are handicapped by having no birth times for any of these charts....

I do not see any indications of major news breaking today. I am watching and reading the Anna Fl thread, but have reservations about all the excitement. The charts just do not show it with the info I have.

Please know that the "secrecy" and "danger" isn't very helpful. If anything, I have decided not to post thoughts on various charts because of it.

Thank you Asker! I appreciate your input/insight on the dumpster issue - it helps to clear my thoughts.

Sending positive thoughts your way housemouse. Do what you need to do, no guilt allowed. There really is not much that can be done right now anyway, is there? You and the other Astros have given us the heads up about the next few days - through the 10th so now all we need to do is pray for patience while awaiting the full moon and hopefully the unfolding of some information.

I agree about the cloak and daggers - its just plain distracting :)

Salem

housemouse

03-04-2009, 08:06 PM

Hey! I am not at all certain that anything of major importance will happen on the 10th or 12th. I am looking ahead as best I can, but you must know that the way astrology works is in His hands, not ours.

When we look back after something has happened, we can see it all clearly. Seeing it ahead of time is not for us to know with any clarity at all. He designed it that way, and who are we to question.

Take a look back at Caylee's natal chart (remember, we had her birth time), and compare it to the chart for the day her little skeleton was found. It is so clear after the fact.

But, ahead of time? We could only say that this might have been a significant date, one among many potential dates... that is how it works, and it works so much better when we have birth times and places.

And, in case anyone wonders why it works this way? It is a pointer to God, and it reminds us to be humble in our ignorance of His plans.

A quote from the Book of Job to consider:

"Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" - Job 14:5

:Crown::Crown:

:detective::detective:

jnTexas

03-04-2009, 08:50 PM

Anna just posted that Haleigh was born at 6:49-6:50am hope this helps everyone!

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 08:52 PM

Don't know if someone posted this yet but Anna says Haleigh was born 6:49-6:50am. in Gainesville, Florida.

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 08:53 PM

Halieghs birth time according to Annie is 6:49- 6:50 am.........

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 08:53 PM

LOL, I guess we all are reading both, LOL

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 08:55 PM

She was born in Gainsville Florida

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 08:59 PM

Hi. This is Anna. Don't know much about astrology but I'm sitting here going crazy so if you have questions..I can try to answer.

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 09:01 PM

Sorry if I'm not supposed to be posting here....but I told my family what you guys are doing and things are crazy right now but they're interested in anything that can help find Haleigh.

Capri

03-04-2009, 09:01 PM

Hi. This is Anna. Don't know much about astrology but I'm sitting here going crazy so if you have questions..I can try to answer.

Anna, you're awesome for getting that birth time and location! That will help so much!

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 09:06 PM

Annie, thank you so much. These astrologers are absolutely great. They did wonderful in the Caylee case, and have been referenced by many websites, they are awesome!

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 09:11 PM

Okay, I do not know what just happened but I was getting an error message saying that my post wasnt posting so please if someone can tell me how to delete all those duplicates I would appreciate it.

Capri

03-04-2009, 09:13 PM

Hi. This is Anna. Don't know much about astrology but I'm sitting here going crazy so if you have questions..I can try to answer.

Any word on how Daniel Snod.'s court date went?

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 09:14 PM

It's not until tomorrow. The 5th.

Salem

03-04-2009, 09:18 PM

I sent an email to First Coast News asking about the D.Snod case on Monday. I haven't heard back from them. Now I know why..... the hearing is not until Monday.

Thanks for that info :)

Salem

Capri

03-04-2009, 09:30 PM

It's not until tomorrow. The 5th.

ah, thanks :)

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 09:32 PM

Sorry if I'm not supposed to be posting here....but I told my family what you guys are doing and things are crazy right now but they're interested in anything that can help find Haleigh.

So glad you have joined us here. You don't have to know about astrology to join in, in fact, since you have personal knowledge, you may be able to steer us in the right direction.

Welcome.

I noticed the third Welcome Anna thread has been closed. :eek: Geez! I had just begun reading it!

ROBLYN

03-04-2009, 09:33 PM

OT

Anna- thank you for posting on the Asto's thread. They are dedicated to helping find Haleigh. They have been working tirelessly for weeks on their charts. Birth information will be a Great help. Don't worry about not knowing much about astrology, most of us don't, but we are learning from the best.

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 09:36 PM

Annie stated that Haleigh was born 6:49-6:50 am in Gainsville Florida, so when Housemouse, Tube, Soulscape and Kaitland get back they will have it!

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 09:37 PM

Okay, I do not know what just happened but I was getting an error message saying that my post wasnt posting so please if someone can tell me how to delete all those duplicates I would appreciate it.

You can delete duplicate posts by clicking the edit button and when the edit window pops up, you just click the delete button. It will then ask if you are sure you want to delete, and again click delete.

If the thread is closed, you won't be able to edit or delete any of your posts in that thread.

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 09:46 PM

Wow, looking at Haleigh's natal chart and the sunrise chart that was done previously, I'm pleased to see how close they are, which means how close the work has been on this thread!

Super work, astros!

Thanks, Anna, for Haleigh's birth information. It will be extremely helpful to confirm what we've already seen in the charts.

Khaki_Pants

03-04-2009, 09:55 PM

Should we put together a summary post for Anna that has links to charts and pertinant discussion of those charts? To save her some time and stress?

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 10:03 PM

At the beginning of this thread, FifthEssence was kind enough to post all the links to the charts from our previous thread. Follow this link to get to FifthEssence's post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3386799&postcount=1

Basically, we know we aren't being told the whole truth about the night Haleigh went missing. It's in the charts, and we have the proof in Misty's numerous conflicting statements. Plus there are other conflicting statements from various family members about events leading up to the abduction.

Anna's welcome thread #3 is open again and she's back over there. I'm heading back to finish reading earlier. Back later.....

housemouse

03-04-2009, 10:09 PM

Should we put together a summary post for Anna that has links to charts and pertinant discussion of those charts? To save her some time and stress?

I do not think it important, Khaki. She can read through all our posts when she has quiet time to absorb all our ponderings.

The most important question that I have is the source of the birth time. Mother's memories can be faulty, because of the stress of birth. My mom was off by almost 4 hours.

Caylee had a needlework stitched wall-hanging, and it had an odd minute time, which suggested to me that it was taken from the long-form birth certificate filled out by the attending medical folks. These are the most trusted times.

I am checking the chart for the time that Anna has posted, and hope it is accurate, give or take 10 minutes. Knowing Haleigh's Moon position, Ascendant, and Midheaven points are so vital, but these need to be accurate, or else we get bad information, and our charts won't work.

So, I will wait to post info until I get confirmation that the time Anna has posted comes from a long-form BC, or something like Caylee's wall hanging.

Asker

03-04-2009, 10:18 PM

Don't know if someone posted this yet but Anna says Haleigh was born 6:49-6:50am. in Gainesville, Florida.

Remember that with Caylee we had a timed chart from her birth certificate. CA showed a copy of a wall hanging featuring the birth certificate to GVS on her TV show. That is the ideal way to get birth times but getting it from a relative is better than using a solar chart...IMO anyway. Thanks, Anna!

I had recently rectified Haleigh's birth chart on my own using the few details I knew about her life. I came up with a time of 6:45 a.m. in Gainesville which is only 4 or 5 minutes off from the time Anna has provided. My rectified Asc for Haleigh was only one degree off. I'm pretty amazed at how close I came since I've never had much luck with rectification before.

Using the time of 6:49 a.m. Haleigh has a 21 Leo rising. IIRC Caylee's Asc was 20 Leo and both girls are double Leo's.

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 10:21 PM

I got the time of birth from Haleigh's mom and grandma today; things are stressful right now but I told them about this astrology site and they were glad people were still trying to help find Haleigh any way they can. Also, I've been reading a lot of questions directed at me about the date Jan. 26th. I don't hang out with Ronnie and them and I cannot say what exactly as happening on that date. But then tonight I remembered seeing that date somewhere....I checked again to be sure and the RSO from San Mateo (Don S) moved to Satsuma the date on the FDLE website of his new Satsuma address being listed is January 26th.

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 10:24 PM

Are you talking about Donald Sapp, Annie? Or the Dan Snod. ?

beckaroozie

03-04-2009, 10:26 PM

Soulscape originally used a Sunrise time for the chart, which is her usual practice. That should be pretty darned close to the 6:49 - 6:50am time. I'll have to go back and see what time was used.

SOUL'S ORIGINAL SUNRISE CHART USED 7:02AM!! Woot!

beckaroozie

03-04-2009, 10:30 PM

Anna do you know if Misty knows or associated with either D. Sapp or D. Snod? Any kind of close relationship there that you know of? Is Sapp related to the family? Does he associate with the family?

butterfly1978

03-04-2009, 10:31 PM

I may be really reaching here but with the time that Annie posted can you get a round about location of where Haliegh is?

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 10:32 PM

Are you talking about Donald Sapp, Annie? Or the Dan Snod. ?

Sapp. If you go to the flyer on the FDLE website, the photo was taken January 26th and the Satsuma address was added on that date as well.

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 10:34 PM

Anna do you know if Misty knows or associated with either D. Sapp or D. Snod? Any kind of close relationship there that you know of? Is Sapp related to the family? Does he associate with the family?

All I know is Misty has been seen a lot at Snod's house. That's confirmed by police and ***************

edited because I don't wanna break the rules by posting unverified rumor.

Anna Fl

03-04-2009, 10:39 PM

Oh..and I forgot to add the new Satsuma address is that of someone who was a teenager when she testified at his trial for his charges so I'm assuming she was a victim. Interestingly, her husband filed a restraining order on behalf of their three children against DS, and 3 days later he was hit by a car and killed...then, not quite two weeks later, DS moved into their home. All public record.

Zoe Bogart

03-04-2009, 10:42 PM

Soulscape originally used a Sunrise time for the chart, which is her usual practice. That should be pretty darned close to the 6:49 - 6:50am time. I'll have to go back and see what time was used.

SOUL'S ORIGINAL SUNRISE CHART USED 7:02AM!! Woot!

Yep, that's the chart I have, too. 7:02 AM. That chart and the time we now have from Anna are strikingly close.

The added bonus with Caylee's birth time was that Cindy was in the delivery room and she certainly made note of it, and she confirmed it in Caylee's obit. I know I was watching the clock when I delivered my two kids and made sure they wrote down the exact time.

Yes, there are similarities between Caylee's and Haleigh's charts - the AC/DC, MC/IC, and the outer planets, plus the Sun and the houses. Caylee's 12th house was full (3 planets incl BMLilith), whereas Haleigh's first house has three planets and her BMLilith is conjunct her MC. Interesting.

I used Haleigh's birthtime as 06:49:30 AM.

static

03-04-2009, 10:46 PM

I got the time of birth from Haleigh's mom and grandma today; things are stressful right now but I told them about this astrology site and they were glad people were still trying to help find Haleigh any way they can. Also, I've been reading a lot of questions directed at me about the date Jan. 26th. I don't hang out with Ronnie and them and I cannot say what exactly as happening on that date. But then tonight I remembered seeing that date somewhere....I checked again to be sure and the RSO from San Mateo (Don S) moved to Satsuma the date on the FDLE website of his new Satsuma address being listed is January 26th.

Thank you so much Anna! Hope you had a chance to read all the info, told ya these guys are amazing:)

Asker

03-04-2009, 10:47 PM

Soulscape originally used a Sunrise time for the chart, which is her usual practice. That should be pretty darned close to the 6:49 - 6:50am time. I'll have to go back and see what time was used.

SOUL'S ORIGINAL SUNRISE CHART USED 7:02AM!! Woot!

Thanks for checking that Beck. When rectifying her chart I decided to stay with the Sun/Venus conjunction being placed close to her Asc based on what a pretty child Haleigh is. Venus rising often provides a beautiful physical appearance.

Lovejac

03-04-2009, 10:51 PM

Remember that with Caylee we had a timed chart from her birth certificate. CA showed a copy of a wall hanging featuring the birth certificate to GVS on her TV show. That is the ideal way to get birth times but getting it from a relative is better than using a solar chart...IMO anyway. Thanks, Anna!

I had recently rectified Haleigh's birth chart on my own using the few details I knew about her life. I came up with a time of 6:45 a.m. in Gainesville which is only 4 or 5 minutes off from the time Anna has provided. My rectified Asc for Haleigh was only one degree off. I'm pretty amazed at how close I came since I've never had much luck with rectification before.

Using the time of 6:49 a.m. Haleigh has a 21 Leo rising. IIRC Caylee's Asc was 20 Leo and both girls are double Leo's.

Wow, Asker! Add that to the long list of similarities to these two cases.

And, it looks like you might not be able say, ever again, that you don't have much luck with birth chart rectification. :crazy:

housemouse

03-04-2009, 11:20 PM

Leave it to me, housemouse, to be a stickler for wanting an attending doc/nurse to put down the time on a long-form Birth Certificate. Probably comes from my own mom being about 4 hours off in her memory of my birth-time.

That said, I still think that something happened on the weekend of Jan 26th that involved Ron C., and possibly D. Snodg. It could be co-incidence, of course, that these two have cross-aspects. We do not know if they are familiar with one another, but if they are, most competent astrologers would be suspicious, or at least wondering.

And, this is without their birth-times, and relies only on planetary links that do not involve their respective Moon, Ascendant, or Midheaven.

Mistie's chart is not as closely linked to the weekend of Jan 25th/26th, but most of her cross-aspects with Haleigh's are difficult, with a few easier ones.

I do not see a quick resolution to this loss. And, by that I mean not in a few days or weeks. It is possible that we will get info, but I am not confident that we will get the resolution that people on the main board are hoping for. I wish and hope that I am misreading the charts, for I want the best for this lovely and innocent child, as we all do.

We will keep on looking, even if it takes longer than we would like. Just remember that the more birth-times and places we can get, the better we are.

Relatives, I think, are legally able to request long-form birth certificates for the parents and children involved from the proper registrars, and it doesn't cost that much to get the copies.

So, any relatives of the families involved, see what you can do.

KAITLAND

03-04-2009, 11:23 PM

Soulscape originally used a Sunrise time for the chart, which is her usual practice. That should be pretty darned close to the 6:49 - 6:50am time. I'll have to go back and see what time was used.

SOUL'S ORIGINAL SUNRISE CHART USED 7:02AM!! Woot!

The chart I ran was for 6:58a.m. in Satsuma. I will run it again for Gainesville, and I do not expect much change in cusps.

Angelonline

03-04-2009, 11:36 PM

Had never heard of FA until Caylees case. Just want you all to know that you are doing a wonderful job!

KAITLAND

03-05-2009, 12:04 AM

Haleigh's natal chart ammended to: 8/17/03 0650am Gainesville, FL

Thank you so much for this info! Having the exact degrees of Asc/MH/Moon is enormously important, and will guide our future charts. Blessings Everyone!

Leave it to me, housemouse, to be a stickler for wanting an attending doc/nurse to put down the time on a long-form Birth Certificate. Probably comes from my own mom being about 4 hours off in her memory of my birth-time.

That said, I still think that something happened on the weekend of Jan 26th that involved Ron C., and possibly D. Snodg. It could be co-incidence, of course, that these two have cross-aspects. We do not know if they are familiar with one another, but if they are, most competent astrologers would be suspicious, or at least wondering.

And, this is without their birth-times, and relies only on planetary links that do not involve their respective Moon, Ascendant, or Midheaven.

Mistie's chart is not as closely linked to the weekend of Jan 25th/26th, but most of her cross-aspects with Haleigh's are difficult, with a few easier ones.

I do not see a quick resolution to this loss. And, by that I mean not in a few days or weeks. It is possible that we will get info, but I am not confident that we will get the resolution that people on the main board are hoping for. I wish and hope that I am misreading the charts, for I want the best for this lovely and innocent child, as we all do.

We will keep on looking, even if it takes longer than we would like. Just remember that the more birth-times and places we can get, the better we are.

Relatives, I think, are legally able to request long-form birth certificates for the parents and children involved from the proper registrars, and it doesn't cost that much to get the copies.

So, any relatives of the families involved, see what you can do.

Here you go, housemouse, you can read about Florida's birth certificates on request at this link:

They are offering computer generated certificates which are the bare bones of certificates in that state. The photocopy certification may have more information, too bad only close relatives are allowed access. I had to wait until some of my persons of interest were 100 years old before they allowed me to have their bare bones certificates. grrrr If you can prove the person has already died, before the 100 year limit, you can maybe get the record if you are a close relative or legal rep.

Here's what's available on Florida birth certificates:

A certification of a registered birth (2004 to Present), supplies the following facts of birth: Child's Name, Date of Birth, Sex, Time, Weight, Place of Birth (City, County and Location) and Parents' Information.

A certification of a registered birth (1930 to 2003), supplies the following facts of birth: Child's Name, Date of Birth, Sex, County of Birth and Parents' Name.

housemouse

03-05-2009, 12:40 AM

Here you go, housemouse, you can read about Florida's birth certificates on request at this link:

They are offering computer generated certificates which are the bare bones of certificates in that state. The photocopy certification may have more information, too bad only close relatives are allowed access. I have to wait until my persons of interest were 100 years old before they allowed me to have their bare bones certificates. grrrr

Am not a relative either, alas.

But, I hoped that those posting to the Anna FL thread who present themselves as related would be willing or able to get the info for us.

Time to get some sleep. Have a long day of travel and Doctor visits tomorrow.

jaimie43

03-05-2009, 02:09 AM

Just peeking in <<<:couch:>>> Hello, I mostly hang out in the Haleigh thread but thought Id pop in and see what this is all about. Fascinating, just fascinating! I really wish I knew more about this form of astrology.

Mish

03-05-2009, 07:15 PM

To any of y'all -

-in light of forensic astrology, and/or general understanding for those of us NOT gifted in this ability (which would be me!)-

How vital is time of birth info, with relationship to 'minutes', NOT hours? I can grasp how hours would throw off the validity of info in a chart (such as trying to locate someone and though you have the right state, you are on the wrong road?); can information be gleaned if the birth time is off by a few minutes?

One other question (if I may)... Hypothetically speaking, if someone was born 'near' either sunrise or sunset, would that be a case where knowing the birth time, to the minute is MORE important than, say 'in the middle of the day' ? Or is it a case that, regardless of WHAT time, the info gathered/ credibility rises in direct proportion to the closest accurate birth time?

Not sure if any of that made sense; I'm fighting a cold and brain feels fuzzier than normal!:o Thanks all!

-Mish

housemouse

03-05-2009, 08:28 PM

Minutes really do matter, more than most of us would like to think.

This is why I encourage people not to ask their mothers, who were in labor, and apt to be distracted by the task at hand.

The best way is to write to the location (whatever they call the bureau of birth registrations) where you were born, and ask specifically for the part of your Birth Certificate that shows all the detailed info. This is sometimes called the "long form". Let them know you want a registered time of birth, by the attending physician or nurse/midwife.

Once you have that in hand, you can get an accurate birth chart. Without the minute of birth, half of the chart information is just not accurate or reliable. You will still have the plantary aspects, but you won't know your Ascendant or Midheaven, which are determined by the minute and place you are born.

Each of us is a unique individual. Even twins are not born at the exact same minute, and will have similar but slightly different charts, depending on the midpoints to their ascendants and midheavens.

ROBLYN

03-06-2009, 02:58 AM

OT/

Just checking in with Haleighs Astrology thread. I was hoping for some news on the accuracy of birth times, but i know it can often times be a long process. I pray that we will be able to obtain this information, as to see what Haleighs charts are showing us. I know that the Astro's will still be working on them, regardless. Thank-you again for all of your hard work.

Sincerely
Robin

ETA: I have made a pest out of myself on several Haleigh threads pleading for EXACT verifiable times. I am praying that one of the locals see's it and are able to help obtain it.

housemouse- please let me know if my questions and comments are too much, sometimes to eager to learn and help, and i am a Taurus after all. A big thank you to all of our wonderful Astrologers that donate their time to help these missing people.:blowkiss:

orb4me

03-06-2009, 04:25 PM

Have you checked grandmas chart? one time she had drove by then next story is she dropped off clothes. just a thought.

FifthEssence

03-06-2009, 06:53 PM

The Grandmother, T. Neves said she sent someone over to the house to drop off clothes. The Great Grandmother, Annette Sykes said she is the person who dropped by w/ clean clothes and handed them to Misty who took them inside the house. The children were on the front porch w/dinner plates around 7pm.

NG interview w/ Terese Neves is found in this post from the Astro Haleigh Time-Stamped thread. She does not mention the Great Grandmother driving by in one interview:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3328586&postcount=54
The Gr-Grandmother acknowledges she is the one who dropped off clothes.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3415868&postcount=229

static

03-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Where the heck has Soulscape been? Miss her posts!

housemouse

03-06-2009, 07:23 PM

Not sure what Soulscape is up to, but I do know she has a job,and a boss. She may not be posting during the day for this reason.

Also, please understand that most of us astrologers have real lives and responsibilities to others. Sometimes these interfere with being able to post frequently.

And, I know that I need to take time off every once in awhile to do something completely different. Like, knit a sweater or pair of socks, stitch some counted thread embroidery samplers, sew some new clothes for spring and summer, bake bread, get the garden started, piece a few quilt blocks, etc.

Zoe Bogart

03-06-2009, 07:40 PM

How vital is time of birth info, with relationship to 'minutes', NOT hours? I can grasp how hours would throw off the validity of info in a chart (such as trying to locate someone and though you have the right state, you are on the wrong road?); can information be gleaned if the birth time is off by a few minutes?

One other question (if I may)... Hypothetically speaking, if someone was born 'near' either sunrise or sunset, would that be a case where knowing the birth time, to the minute is MORE important than, say 'in the middle of the day' ? Or is it a case that, regardless of WHAT time, the info gathered/ credibility rises in direct proportion to the closest accurate birth time?

-Mish

Mish, as housemouse said, exact birth time is of the utmost importance, no matter which part of the day someone was born, sunrise, sunset, high noon, whatever.

Those little minutes can changed a chart from straight-forward with no interceptions to one with intercepted signs in the some of the houses (if one isn't using equal houses). I've always wished my mother had hurried up and pushed harder just FIVE minutes sooner. If she had, I wouldn't have a chart with intercepted signs. If I had been born a mere five minutes earlier, I might actually have been smarter, prettier, more buxom with slender hips, long gorgeous legs and talent galore. (a gal can dream, right?)

Also, a few minutes can change the vital angles. Also, since the moon moves rather quickly, you definitely want its exact position so its aspects to other planets are charted accurately. Let's not forgot those important house cusps!

In cases where the time is unknown, some astrologers place sunrise on the ascendant, as though the person were born at sunrise, because it shows the influence of the day, which can be helpful when one doesn't have an accurate birth time. However, an exact birth time and exact place of birth is the only sure thing, and sometimes, even those official birth times are off.

Yes, you are correct, without this information, it is like being in the correct state but on the wrong road. Too much room for error.

Zoe Bogart

03-06-2009, 07:47 PM

Not sure what Soulscape is up to, but I do know she has a job,and a boss. She may not be posting during the day for this reason.

Also, please understand that most of us astrologers have real lives and responsibilities to others. Sometimes these interfere with being able to post frequently.

And, I know that I need to take time off every once in awhile to do something completely different. Like, knit a sweater or pair of socks, stitch some counted thread embroidery samplers, sew some new clothes for spring and summer, bake bread, get the garden started, piece a few quilt blocks, etc.

A job!!!!! :eek: Just kidding. I'm glad she has one in these uncertain times.

Another thing about taking a break, it clears the head. Sometimes being away helps one to see things more clearly. Like a break from the office, the job, the factory, or whatever, a break from astrology can refresh the mind. After a short break, one can jump back in and see a whole lot more than was seen just weeks prior. Days off, coffee breaks, lunch hours all fit into this category.

I encourage breaks, because they are refreshing.

Since there is a lull in the information on Haleigh, you may want to view the video of the inside of her mobile home. You can see the lay of the home plus the bedroom here, something I've always been puzzled by:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/default.aspx

It could be an astrological help, or someone may get vibes from watching it.

Tichad3

03-06-2009, 08:32 PM

I just found this section of the boards. I'm not sure I really understand what all you are doing, but it sounds fascinating.

How accurate are the charts that you do?

housemouse

03-06-2009, 08:40 PM

I just found this section of the boards. I'm not sure I really understand what all you are doing, but it sounds fascinating.

How accurate are the charts that you do?

If we are fortunate enough to have good, verified birth times (to the minute) and places, we can be very accurate.

But, often we do not have these. All we have is the day, and this leaves out the very important personal points. That is, we have no Moon position, no Ascendant and Midheaven.

Our work with Caylee Anthony was much better, because we had a good birth time for her. With Haleigh, we don't have this, so have only half of the info we need.

Just so you know, serious astrologers want to see a "long-form" birth certificate, where the attending medical folks write down the time of birth. Mom's memory is nice, but can be off, because of the stress of labor.

My mom was sure I was born right after dinner, but the long form says differently. I was born at 10:45 PM, according to the attending physician, and that wasn't exactly right after dinner, but a few hours later!

Tuba

03-06-2009, 09:52 PM

I'm hearing alarm bells from the victim's Venus progressed to 0:39 Virgo whereas Uranus has regressed to 0:54 Pisces, especially because found in H. 1 and 7. Progressed Virgo Mercury has come to the same degree of the lunar node. Sun and Jupiter are now both 29°. Although her Sun and the node were at the same degree for her birth, now Venus is square her progressed midheaven. Haleigh was born with many protections in place including the important Moon - Sun harmony but she has a band of menacing agents, quite powerful too. She now has progressed Moon under the shadow of Saturn, a heavy influence for a young child.

butterfly1978

03-06-2009, 11:42 PM

I'm hearing alarm bells from the victim's Venus progressed to 0:39 Virgo whereas Uranus has regressed to 0:54 Pisces, especially because found in H. 1 and 7. Progressed Virgo Mercury has come to the same degree of the lunar node. Sun and Jupiter are now both 29°. Although her Sun and the node were at the same degree for her birth, now Venus is square her progressed midheaven. Haleigh was born with many protections in place including the important Moon - Sun harmony but she has a band of menacing agents, quite powerful too. She now has progressed Moon under the shadow of Saturn, a heavy influence for a young child.
Please explain... I have read this several times, and just dont get it. I am so sorry, I really am trying to understand, I have great intrest in this!:confused::bang:

Soulscape

03-07-2009, 12:57 AM

Where the heck has Soulscape been? Miss her posts!

Not sure what Soulscape is up to, but I do know she has a job,and a boss. She may not be posting during the day for this reason.

Also, please understand that most of us astrologers have real lives and responsibilities to others. Sometimes these interfere with being able to post frequently.

...

A job!!!!! :eek: Just kidding. I'm glad she has one in these uncertain times.

...

Hello All,

Sorry I've been AWOL, LOL. It's been a hectic week to say the least. Additionally, I think all of us Astros have been finding this case frustrating, perplexing and energy draining. We've pointed out repeatedly, without timed charts we are severely hampered. There is great potential to "misread" when the charts are "off." We have to be careful.

That said, over the past few days, I've been studying Haleigh's Sunrise natal in comparison to the 6:49 - 6:50 am chart provided by Anna FL, and comparing both against (possibly) the only VERIFIABLE timed chart we have: the 911 Call to LE.

The differences between Haleigh's Sunrise natal vs the 6:49 - 6:50 am chart are subtle, but tonight I was impulsed to look at the charts through a different lens, so to speak... It turned out to be a complicated project and I've got a ways to go before I'm ready to post, but I hope to get it to you sometime tomorrow.

In the meantime, since the Thread is running slow, you may want to review previous discussions of the 911 Call charts. I believe FifthEssence has most if not all of the links in Post #1 of this Thread.

I keep thinking, this 911 Call chart is the key, and I for one, feel obligated to give it more study...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba

03-07-2009, 11:49 AM

butterfly, no interpretation was given, just a record of the new location of her birth planets. If you were born with the Moon at 25°II, by the time you were a year old, that Moon would have progressed into Cancer. That's all I was doing, just laying out the new placements for Haleigh, where her planets are now with the advance of time. The Venus - Uranus opposition means a sudden rupture in relations with the people she cares about and who love her.

From the time of the disappearance, we have made much of the fact that transiting Saturn was on Haleigh's Mercury, 21 Virgo. I identify this Mercury with Misty because Mercury in Virgo is a caretaker and also, Saturn does rule the House in Haleigh's chart that is babysitting. Virgo in the natural wheel of the zodiac, Capricorn in Haleigh's particular case. So there was a problem with Misty's care at the disappearance. Saturn brings problems, denies, rejects, causes lack and want, deprives. Uranus by transit aggravated forbidding Saturn because directly opposed.

By progression, Mercury has arrived at 24:57 Virgo. This = Node of the Moon degree and means tragedy, fatality or casualty. It is happening in the House of the neck, House 2. Look at her chart, posted above by Kaitland. You will see Mercury in the Second House. In the natural wheel of the zodiac, what Sign comes second? Taurus of the neck. The Node of the Moon is also in Taurus, again, the neck. Casualty to the neck is warned.

Venus rules Taurus, the neck. Is Venus under threat? Yes, that is how we began in paragraph one here. Venus is opposed Uranus. Lastly, her natal Venus is square the new position of the Midheaven. Midheaven has progressed from 17° Taurus to 23° Taurus. Natal Venus is 23:47 Leo.

Dihan

03-07-2009, 01:29 PM

thanks tuba ,i couldnt understand post#172 either and expect i never will understand anyone's post or charts ,im mentality challenged when it comes to learning anymore ,so really appreciate you all explaining the jargon and post when you can.

butterfly1978

03-07-2009, 01:36 PM

Okay thank you Tuba. I am so sorry for all the questions, thanks for being so kind in your responces.

butterfly1978

03-07-2009, 01:40 PM

thanks tuba ,i couldnt understand post#172 either and expect i never will understand anyone's post or charts ,im mentality challenged when it comes to learning anymore ,so really appreciate you all explaining the jargon and post when you can.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!! I know how you feel, it doesn't seem like I am ever going to understand it...I am steadily trying though, but I have yet to have a light bulb moment, heck I havent even had a twinkle. This is as hard to learn to me as algebra, LOL

ROBLYN

03-07-2009, 01:41 PM

OT/
Thanks Soulscape,

Will go and study the 911 chart, not that i'll 'get it'.lol, Please accept my personal thanks for everything you are doing for Haleigh. This one has affected all of us harshly, i believe.

Thanks tuba :blowkiss:

Everyone working to find Haleigh :blowkiss:

ETA: butterfly, i struggle to understand the charts as well, my suggestion would be to keep studying when you have time. Little by little it makes sense.
Also, on the main Astro page there is a thread with links and books, i have found VERY helpful, check it out.

kittylyn461

03-07-2009, 06:17 PM

march 8th is supposed to be in here as a possible new leads or knowledge ? i think i may of read in to it more where can i find this they said it was in this thread help please if someone can

kittylyn461

03-07-2009, 06:55 PM

something made me think he was in jail but i looked up on otis and he is not in michigan but joshua has a robbery conviction

Soulscape

03-07-2009, 09:03 PM

Recently Anna FL provided us with a 6:49 - 6:50 am birth time for Haleigh, telling us that information came directly from Haleigh's bio-Mom, Crystal S. We don't know if this is "Mother's Memory" or if Crystal actually double-checked the birth certificate before giving the information to Anna FL.

Prior to receiving this birth time, I had cast a Sunrise chart for Haleigh and used it in prior discussions. What is interesting is that the 6:49 - 6:50 am birth time produces a similar chart. All the House cusps are the same and the MOON only one degree off. The 6:49 - 6:50 am ASCENDANT is 3 degrees earlier than the Sunrise ASCENDANT.

Since the timing of the two charts was so close, there was a sense of relief; a sense that the astrological analyses made up to the receipt of the 6:49 - 6:50 am timing were mostly accurate. This was a correct assumption and the "good news" (if you want to call it that) is that the Sunrise chart was close enough to provide credible information.

The bad news, ironically, is that the rectified 6:49 - 6:50 am birth chart is close enough to the Sunrise chart timing as to confirm the accuracy of prior discussions based on the Sunrise chart...

This is "bad news" because if you reviewed the prior discussions, you know that the charts all pointed to kidnapping with probable rape and murder. If anything, the 6:49 - 6:50 am chart magnifies that probability.

I continue reluctantly.

Everyone, including myself and all the Astrologers, would like nothing better than for Haleigh to be found alive and well and returned to her family. Nothing would make me happier than to tell you the charts show a strong possibility for that outcome.

Unfortunately and tragically, the charts have not led us in that direction, and revisiting the charts in light of the assumed-to-be "correct" birth time only amplifies my original judgment: Haleigh was kidnapped, probably raped and murdered.

In the next post I will show you how and why I have come to that conclusion.

Here are the links to the charts I will be using. You may find it helpful to print them out so you can follow my upcoming discussion.

Don't let the complexity of Chart #4 scare you off. When I get to it, I will speak in English.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Sparky

03-07-2009, 09:31 PM

The Grandmother, T. Neves said she sent someone over to the house to drop off clothes. The Great Grandmother, Annette Sykes said she is the person who dropped by w/ clean clothes and handed them to Misty who took them inside the house. The children were on the front porch w/dinner plates around 7pm.

NG interview w/ Terese Neves is found in this post from the Astro Haleigh Time-Stamped thread. She does not mention the Great Grandmother driving by in one interview:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3328586&postcount=54
The Gr-Grandmother acknowledges she is the one who dropped off clothes.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3415868&postcount=229

Hi all,

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would G Grandmother bring by clean clothes? There is a washer and dryer and TN stated on NG there was always clothes in the floor by the back door. This doesn't make sense to me unless the W/D are not working?

passionflower

03-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Hi all,

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would G Grandmother bring by clean clothes? There is a washer and dryer and TN stated on NG there was always clothes in the floor by the back door. This doesn't make sense to me unless the W/D are not working?

If I had a little Astrological consulting practice set up on Main Street and you came to me for a natal consultation, I would never look at your chart and say, OMG!! You have a Critical Degree on your ASCENDANT!! ... OMG!! Your natal SUN is in the same degree as your NODES foretelling a catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality!!

I would never say any of those things because in the circumstance of a client coming to an Astrologer for a natal consultation, such "testimony" is completely irrelevant. I have said before and will repeat, you cannot compare apples with oranges.

Examining a natal chart under the forensic astrological microscope is an entirely different matter. We examine charts forensically when a crime has been committed or a person has gone missing. The primary question to be addressed in a missing persons case is black & white: Is the Missing Person Dead or Alive? To answer that question, we look to the Event chart(s) which often tell the tale, regardless of access to birth info. However, when we have birth info, we can compare it to the Event chart(s) and ascertain whether it supports the judgment obtained from the Event chart(s).

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Note: No matter how bad the transits (planetary placements in the Event chart), nothing can manifest unless the transiting planets trigger natal and/or progressed planets and sensitive points (e.g., ASCENDANT/ MIDHEAVEN, NODES, VERTEX, etc.). In a missing person case where the primary concern is whether the person is dead or alive, there are certain planetary contacts I look for.
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Haleigh's natal and progressed charts compared to the 911 Call chart and examined from a forensic astrological perspective show alarming features.

Her natal SUN 24 Leo is in the same degree as her natal NODES 24 Taurus/Scorpio. Her SUN is partile square NODES and BLACK MOON LILITH is partile conjunct NORTH NODE at 24 Taurus. Having both SUN and BML in nodal degree with SUN square is chilling, to say the least.

Part of DEATH in Haleigh's natal chart (not shown) is 15:43 Cancer, a point I will refer back to later in the discussion.

It has already been noted in previous discussions that Haleigh's natal URANUS 01 Pisces was triggered by the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA ASCENDANT 02 Virgo. Additionally LAST SEEN MOON 26 Leo is partile conjunct Haleigh's secondary progressed ASCENDANT 26 Leo (see chart #2 in my above post). These contacts are sinister. Event ASCENDANT opposite natal URANUS augurs sudden assault on the body (ASCENDANT) and MOON acts as a pointer, contacting SP ASCENDANT, echoing the theme of assault upon the body again.

I have pointed this out to show you how the Event charts intertwine. In the next part of this discussion, I'll continue, with focus on natal and progressed connections to the 911 Call chart. (I'm babysitting G-son #1, 19 months old, & he's crying!! Be back later!)

Thanks,
Soulscape

housemouse

03-07-2009, 11:29 PM

Good post, Soulscape!

Nothing I can add but some well-deserved clapping!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

ROBLYN

03-07-2009, 11:39 PM

Thank you Soulscape,

Your explanations are so well written and informative,as usual, i know it was with a heavy heart that your post was written.God Bless you Haleigh Marie.

Going back to study the charts...#4 did scare the heck out of me when i clicked on it. English would be Greatly appreciated. Please give your beautiful grandson extra love from all of us on WS.

Kat

03-08-2009, 12:46 AM

:blowkiss: for SoulScape's grandson so he sleeps sweet and sound! I can't wait to be a Ya-Ya! (Gramma)

Soulscape

03-08-2009, 01:05 AM

The 911 Call chart can be, and has been read as a stand-alone chart, independent of any comparison to Haleigh's natal or progressed charts, and as such, it gave strong testimony for abduction, rape and murder. (See Post #1 in this Thread for links to the main charts discussed in this case, including the 911 Call chart.)

If all we had was the 911 Call chart, with no natal data for Haleigh, I would have judged "the chart points strongly to abduction, rape and murder, but without the birth data, I can't be certain. I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am." I would have added those last words "but I don't think I am," not because I'm egotistical, but because after about a dozen years of examining charts from a forensic perspective, I've learned the Event chart often tells the tale, despite lack of birth data.

I very much prefer, however, to work with birth data. It's an important piece of the puzzle and I feel at a disadvantage when I have to work without it. That's partly because no major circumstance --- and certainly not one as final as death --- can manifest unless transiting planets trigger natal and/or progressed planets and/or sensitive points.

Because we were able to get Haleigh's date and place of birth to compare with the 911 Call chart & other event charts, we were able to fine-tune our judgments and make them with more confidence. Even the Sunrise chart could have accomplished this, for it proves itself to be amazingly insightful when read symbolically.

After getting the 6:49 - 6:50 am time of birth via Anna FL, I spent some time working with that chart. The four charts I provided links to in Part 1 above use the 6:49:30 am birth time for Haleigh and the remainder of this discussion is based upon that chart.

Chart #1 is Haleigh's Natal.

Chart #2 is the Secondary Progressions (advancing the birth chart a day for a year)

Chart #3 is the Tertiary Progressions (one day after birth = one lunar month of life), a method of fine-tuning even further. (I learned the technique by studying Richard Houck's extraordinary book, The Astrology of Death.)

Chart #4 is the Tri-Wheel showing Haleigh's 6:49:30 am Natal as Inner, Haleigh's Tertiary Progs as Middle, and the 911 Call as Outer.

(See Post #182 above for links to the charts.)

In the next post I hope to tie it all together.

Thanks,
Soulscape

beckaroozie

03-08-2009, 01:33 AM

Wow thanks so much Soulscape for the very informative analysis. That was a lot of hard work and you've done a great job explaining for the layperson. We appreciate all the heart and soul (no pun intended) that all of the astrologers here (Yourself, Tuba, Housemouse, Kait, and now Jazzy...and a few others) put into each and every analysis you do. It's what makes this the best and most accurate and popular thread on WS. You ladies are the best!! :blowkiss:

static

03-08-2009, 02:21 AM

Wow thanks so much Soulscape for the very informative analysis. That was a lot of hard work and you've done a great job explaining for the layperson. We appreciate all the heart and soul (no pun intended) that all of the astrologers here (Yourself, Tuba, Housemouse, Kait, and now Jazzy...and a few others) put into each and every analysis you do. It's what makes this the best and most accurate and popular thread on WS. You ladies are the best!! :blowkiss:

Thanks for summing that all up Beck! I agree, and this is what brings me to Websleuths. Thanks for all you do Astros!

static

03-08-2009, 02:27 AM

I had a question too, the sabian symbol for 15 degrees Cancer is a pool of water. I noticed that the natal death on the chart was at 15 degrees of Cancer. Would the sabian symbols shed any light for this type of chart>?

luvmygarden

03-08-2009, 03:12 AM

Wow thanks so much Soulscape for the very informative analysis. That was a lot of hard work and you've done a great job explaining for the layperson. We appreciate all the heart and soul (no pun intended) that all of the astrologers here (Yourself, Tuba, Housemouse, Kait, and now Jazzy...and a few others) put into each and every analysis you do. It's what makes this the best and most accurate and popular thread on WS. You ladies are the best!! :blowkiss:

I agree these ladies are amazing. As sad as it is at least maybe some clues come to those searching for options of where and how to look for all these babies we are missing.

Zoe Bogart

03-08-2009, 07:06 AM

After getting the 6:49 - 6:50 am time of birth via Anna FL, I spent some time working with that chart. The four charts I provided links to in Part 1 above use the 6:49:30 am birth time for Haleigh and the remainder of this discussion is based upon that chart.

Chart #1 is Haleigh's Natal.

Chart #2 is the Secondary Progressions (advancing the birth chart a day for a year)

Chart #3 is the Tertiary Progressions (one day after birth = one lunar month of life), a method of fine-tuning even further. (I learned the technique by studying Richard Houck's extraordinary book, The Astrology of Death.)

Chart #4 is the Tri-Wheel showing Haleigh's 6:49:30 am Natal as Inner, Haleigh's Tertiary Progs as Middle, and the 911 Call as Outer.

(See Post #182 above for links to the charts.)

In the next post I hope to tie it all together.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Excellent work, Soulscape. I also chose to use 6:49:30 am as the birth time since it falls directly within the minutes given by Anna from Crystal. Like you, I was pleased and saddened to see how accurate the original charts have been. I learned of Tertiary Progressions years ago along with the regularly used Secondary Progressions. Although I haven't done much with Forensic Astrology, I peered over the shoulders of other astrologers using these methods for crimes and was mesmerized, although I must admit my head spun with every paragraph.

I'm pleased to say, while I haven't been successful in practice (still learning), I'm more than thrilled I'm actually UNDERSTANDING this form of astrology. I'm so grateful to all the astrologers here who are willing to dedicate their time, energy, and patience to these victims, while taking time to slowly and methodically explain this to me and others. Just wonderful. Thank you all so very much.

I wish these endings were always joyous, but sadly, they aren't. I've learned to read, analyze, sleuth, and look at astro charts with some objectivity now, while most of the time keeping my emotions in check, which is probably the best way to do charts and to sleuth.

Can't wait to hear the rest of the story, Soulscape. I suppose, even if we now have a correct birthtime for Haleigh, it would still be difficult to find the culprit, considering so many possible perps have so many touch points to her chart, including family members (which is understandable for relatives). This is one tough case, especially since PCSO isn't sharing.

Zoe Bogart

03-08-2009, 07:14 AM

I had a question too, the sabian symbol for 15 degrees Cancer is a pool of water. I noticed that the natal death on the chart was at 15 degrees of Cancer. Would the sabian symbols shed any light for this type of chart>?

Static, the astrologers have been using Sabian symbols, parts/lots, and other types of symbols throughout. Sabian isn't the only one who had a form of strategic points, but the names of the others escapes me. No matter. These points are extremely helpful keys, as we've seen. Don't forget, Midpoints are important, too.

So much to learn and my lifetime is more than half over. :eek: :banghead: I say this because I have a real sneaking suspicion I won't live to be anywhere near 115-120. :doh:

Tuba

03-08-2009, 01:44 PM

Hard to believe we are looking at one month this child has been missing. I am drumming on the Venus progression in Haleigh's chart because of the network of Venus activity there. In the 911 call chart, the Moon was with her progressed Venus, and ruled H. 8, her Uranus on the House of the call itself. The Moon had already acted, when 0°, deadly & a shock, the Uranus influence. Lunar eclipse at 21° has to create a black blot in the intercept of H. 8, Leo. These eclipses always draw our attention to the House they darken. The Sun remains on the degree eclipsed and it is a crisis degree. Extreme anxiety over a grave climax to events.

All the figures in the case, the planets intercepted in H. 2, are subordinated to the ruler of that House, retrograde Saturn away in the Ninth. Because it is a Mercury hour on a Mars day, accuracy of facts provided is crucial but some of them have not survived scrutiny. Part of Find is 9:02 of Fixed Sign Aquarius: one more crisis and a huge problem. Jupiter went over that point, Mars passed that point, so what was found but not divulged? Part of Death in H. 11 repeats the Aquarian background of the event, phoning for the sheriff.

This has been on the board before but so many days in, bears repeating because we do not yet have factual satisfaction.

Soulscape

03-08-2009, 03:25 PM

OK, time to pull out that scary Tri-Wheel showing Haleigh Natal as Inner, Haleigh Tertiary Progressed (P3) as Middle, 911 Call Chart as Outer. Keep in mind the angles and house cusps in this Tri-Wheel are Haleigh’s natal placements based on the birth time allegedly supplied by biomom Crystal via Anna FL:

NATAL CHART --- this is the Inner Wheel and the House Cusps for Haleigh.

When examining an Event chart in relation to natal and/or progressed charts, I look for certain connections. They are oozing out all over the place in these charts, and, not surprisingly, in light of previous charts and previous analysis discussed in detail by myself as well as several of the Astrologers, this Tri-Wheel also points to abduction, rape and murder.

Analysis:

Do Event Chart ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, NODES, VERTEX line up with any natal or progressed placements?

YES. Event chart ASCENDANT 22 Sagittarius is partile opposed P3 VERTEX 22 Gemini. That axis is close square Event Chart SATURN/URANUS opposition at 20 Virgo/Pisces, forming an unstable Mutable Grand Cross. Because VERTEX is involved, we get a sense of a sudden (URANUS) fated encounter (VERTEX) involving the body (ASCENDANT) that may result in death (SATURN involvement; URANUS exact on natal 8th House of Death cusp).

Event chart Midheaven at 06 Libra is close opposed to Event chart VENUS the female child at 05 Aries. (Recall in the analysis of the stand-alone 911 Call chart that VENUS, Lord 5 of Children signified Haleigh.) In addition, there are several placements at the 5th degree throughout these three charts, all which add additional information to the analysis.

5th degree placements:

P3 SUN at 05 Scorpio inconjunct Event chart VENUS (Haleigh). This is a crisis aspect showing a life threatening situation.

Haleigh is subjected to the unwanted attentions (ARACHNE square CUPIDO-A) of a repeat sexual offender* (EROS conjunct ECHO) due to the actions of someone she trusted (ATLANTIS). Is this trusted person Ron C.? Is it Misty? Could it be both of them? Considering the lifestyle of Ron & Misty, it could be either or both. *Notice I didn’t say Registered S.O.; I said Repeat. It is still completely unclear whether the perp is an RSO or some POS who has managed to stay below the radar screen.

This is no way points to direct involvement by either Ron or Misty. Rather, it highlights an observation made in previous analysis, that a family connection exists. The perp is someone known to the family, or alternately, someone on the fringes of the family, perhaps a friend or acquaintance of a family friend, relative, or acquaintance. Regardless of the perp’s exact relationship to Ron and/or Misty, Haleigh was exposed to the perp because of the actions/ lifestyle of the people she most trusted, i.e., her dad and his GF.

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Another unfortunate 5th degree connection is the P3 PARTS OF FATALITY AND TRAGEDY, both at 05 Cancer, opposed the P3 CUPIDO-A (family connection) at 05 Capricorn, square P3 ARACHNE (entrapment) at 05 Libra, and square Event Chart VENUS (Haleigh) at 05 Aries. The 05 Cancer Parts of Fatality and Tragedy are partile trine the P3 SUN at 05 Scorpio.

All of these 5th degree connections paint a detailed picture in support of the stand-alone 911 Call Chart: abduction, probable rape and murder.

Also recall the stand-alone 911 Call Chart had Scorpio on the 11th & 12th House cusps, suggesting the kidnapper (H12) was a friend or acquaintance (H11). The ruler of the Scorpio houses is MARS. In the Event Chart, MARS is posited at 04 Aquarius, and 0-5 degrees Aquarius are homicide degrees. Event chart MARS 04 Aquarius is partile square P3 EQ at 04 Scorpio (a secondary Ascendant), yet another testimony of violence/rape/murder (MARS) against the body (Ascendant) of the owner of the P3 chart (Haleigh).

Nodal Degrees:

Event chart NODES are at 09 Aquarius/Leo. Haleigh’s natal SATURN is in the 9th degree (Cancer). While there are no P3 planets in the 9th degree, there is an Asteroid that highly correlates with death, ORPHEUS, posited in the P3 chart at 09 Sagittarius --- a degree of homicide. This suggests that the catastrophe/ tragedy/ fatality foretold by planets in same degree as NODES is a murder (ORPHEUS of Death in a degree of homicide). That testimony is emphasized by P3 PRENATAL SOLAR ECLIPSE also in the 9th degree (09 Gemini) and partile opposed P3 ORPHEUS of Death and homicide.

Supporting that, we see Secondary Progressed MERCURY at 24 Virgo, in same degree as Haleigh’s natal NODES, SUN and BLACK MOON LILITH.

The P3 NODES are at 20 TAURUS/SCORPIO, the same degree as Event Chart SATURN opposition URANUS and BLACK MOON LILITH. Also note the 20th degree is on the natal 8th House of Death Cusp and the P3 PART OF DEATH is partile conjunct.

Event chart MOON 01 Virgo is partile opposed Haleigh’s natal URANUS pointing to sudden upheaval. This MOON is also conjunct the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA Ascendant and square that chart’s Midheaven at 00 Gemini giving something to weep about.

Event Chart EQ (secondary Ascendant) at 05 Capricorn partile conjunct P3 MOON and partile opposed P3 PART OF FATALITY and PART OF TRAGEDY.

P3 Midheaven 00 Leo on a degree of homicide.

P3 Asteroid PROPERINA (abductees) at 26 Leo partile conjunct Secondary Progressed Ascendant. This is a secondary indicator of kidnapping. When you add in P3 Asteroid PERSEPHONE (abductees) at 15 Capricorn partile opposite natal PART OF DEATH 15 Cancer, you see kidnapping resulting in death. More support is given by P3 ASCENDANT/MIDHEAVEN midpoint 14 Virgo close sextile natal PART OF DEATH 15 Cancer and close trine P3 PERSEPHONE which as I just pointed out, is partile opposite natal DEATH.

Based on above, as well as the previous charts all the Astrologers have analyzed, I believe the perp is someone either known to the family (not necessarily known by Haleigh) or to a friend/acquaintance of the family. By "family," I specifically mean Ron C. & Misty C. as they were the "parents" at the time of the disappearance. This person is a pedophile, regardless of whether he is registered as such.

As Tuba keeps telling us, there is information that is not being divulged. LE is keeping vital information close to the vest regardless of their continued statements to media that they are "clueless."

What do they know and why won't they tell?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Tuba

03-08-2009, 03:50 PM

Just a belief~the adults who perpetrated this crime think it is well on its way to becoming history, going away. As already observed, the Moon is in a Common or Mutable Sign and a Cadent House, therefore the crime will not go as planned and this will not end in the way the perpetrator projected. But this perpetrator believes the publicity and commotion and concern has died because the Moon applies to a retrograde Saturn, meaning just that. The perp relaxes at last.

That is a false sense of security Perp is leaning on. The Moon moves on. The Moon trines Mercury at crisis. New decisions are made and new facts emerge. There is obstruction and hindrance but at the Full Moon, Mercury will trine Pluto, and case detection plunges to the depth of the matter.

static

03-08-2009, 03:52 PM

I really cannot say much, except...WOW

kittylyn461

03-08-2009, 04:07 PM

Just a belief~the adults who perpetrated this crime think it is well on its way to becoming history, going away. As already observed, the Moon is in a Common or Mutable Sign and a Cadent House, therefore the crime will not go as planned and this will not end in the way the perpetrator projected. But this perpetrator believes the publicity and commotion and concern has died because the Moon applies to a retrograde Saturn, meaning just that. The perp relaxes at last.

That is a false sense of security Perp is leaning on. The Moon moves on. The Moon trines Mercury at crisis. New decisions are made and new facts emerge. There is obstruction and hindrance but at the Full Moon, Mercury will trine Pluto, and case detection plunges to the depth of the matter.

so your saying they in your believe that they will get caught. this is so sad how fair is this to a little girl.

kittylyn461

03-08-2009, 04:08 PM

wow is all i can say as i cry.

Old Bird

03-08-2009, 05:40 PM

Thank you so much, Soulscape. Not the news we all want to hear, but very revealing. It's evident that you put lots of hard work into your analysis & we appreciate your dedication! :clap::clap::clap: Agree with all the other "WOWs"!

Astro forum is #1 & all of you astros are awesome! :clap:

FifthEssence

03-08-2009, 07:49 PM

orb4me, I temporarily removed your post that had 2 addresses on it.

The Astrologers use Date and Time of Birth(if available) as well as place of birth when doing a Chart.

If what you were trying to say has something to do w/a theory or rumor, you might check out this thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79856

passionflower

03-08-2009, 08:20 PM

I'm totally speechless, though I felt this would be the truth.:angel:
Now to find her and bring her home.:grouphug:
Pray the perp is arrested and DP on table for this one!:furious:

butterfly1978

03-09-2009, 12:23 AM

You guys were so dead on with Caylee.. Is there anyway that you can get a location for Haleigh? I will go myself and search if no one else will.....Thank yo so much for the detailed explanation and putting it in English for us.. My heart is broken, I must say, at first I believed that she was still alive but I believe it was the Saturday after her disappearance I had an unsettling feeling in my gut, and I felt she was no longer alive.One more question are you believing that the perp will be caught around the full moon? Or was I reading that wrong?

LFlorida

03-09-2009, 02:53 AM

I apologize for dropping in on your thread, but I simply have to ask -

Have you done charts for my #1 suspect, Chad R? What about his best friend, Bill C? [Did a quikee search of thread and didn't see them.]

Thx,
LFl

Khaki_Pants

03-09-2009, 03:40 AM

I apologize for dropping in on your thread, but I simply have to ask -

Have you done charts for my #1 suspect, Chad R? What about his best friend, Bill C? [Did a quikee search of thread and didn't see them.]

Thx,
LFl

LFlorida,
Though I do not speak for the group, or the astros, There is no intrusion to the thread. As a local, you could very well benefit their research.

~Khaki

Soulscape

03-09-2009, 10:06 AM

I apologize for dropping in on your thread, but I simply have to ask -

Have you done charts for my #1 suspect, Chad R? What about his best friend, Bill C? [Did a quikee search of thread and didn't see them.]

Thx,
LFl

Hello LFlorida,

We have Chad R's birth data and IIRC, we have our suspicions concerning him but have not placed him at the top of our list. I would be willing to give his chart another look and make comments later this evening.

Regarding Chad's friend "Bill C," I am not aware of this person. We would need his DATE & PLACE OF BIRTH to cast a chart. Also, if you can provide any relevant information --- how do they know each other? Is Bill C an RSO? Etc.

Thank you,
Soulscape

Salem

03-09-2009, 02:21 PM

Today is March 9th, the full moon is set for tomorrow. I'm praying for the light of the moon to shed light on this case and bring some answers.

Hang on Haleigh - everyone is looking for you to bring you home.

Salem

lurkeyloo

03-09-2009, 02:54 PM

I''m new to WS but I think you astros are amazing. I have a question. Can Haleigh's chart tell us if/ when the perp will be caught? Or is that considered @ prediction?
TIA

butterfly1978

03-09-2009, 03:11 PM

I''m new to WS but I think you astros are amazing. I have a question. Can Haleigh's chart tell us if/ when the perp will be caught? Or is that considered @ prediction?
TIA
I hope that I am not stepping on anyone toes by answering this question. I beleive that is making a prediction, all astrologers can do is look at the charts and see when something major may happen however to pin point exactly what that something is would be hard to do, and they will not even try and predict something like that and it is completely understood why.... These astrologers are great at what they do, and they will point out when the charts point to a major event happening and they relay that information to us. They also will look at dates and times of events past and tell us how the charts show a certain event occured at or during that time.
If I have overstepped or spoke wrong please except my apologies ahead of time....

kittylyn461

03-09-2009, 03:22 PM

I hope that I am not stepping on anyone toes by answering this question. I beleive that is making a prediction, all astrologers can do is look at the charts and see when something major may happen however to pin point exactly what that something is would be hard to do, and they will not even try and predict something like that and it is completely understood why.... These astrologers are great at what they do, and they will point out when the charts point to a major event happening and they relay that information to us. They also will look at dates and times of events past and tell us how the charts show a certain event occured at or during that time.
If I have overstepped or spoke wrong please except my apologies ahead of time....

i thought i heard somewhere that the events could happen during mar7-mar 11 someone correct me or explain to me please

butterfly1978

03-09-2009, 03:37 PM

Hey! I am not at all certain that anything of major importance will happen on the 10th or 12th. I am looking ahead as best I can, but you must know that the way astrology works is in His hands, not ours.

When we look back after something has happened, we can see it all clearly. Seeing it ahead of time is not for us to know with any clarity at all. He designed it that way, and who are we to question.

Take a look back at Caylee's natal chart (remember, we had her birth time), and compare it to the chart for the day her little skeleton was found. It is so clear after the fact.

But, ahead of time? We could only say that this might have been a significant date, one among many potential dates... that is how it works, and it works so much better when we have birth times and places.

And, in case anyone wonders why it works this way? It is a pointer to God, and it reminds us to be humble in our ignorance of His plans.

A quote from the Book of Job to consider:

"Man's days are determined; you have decreed the number of his months and have set limits he cannot exceed" - Job 14:5

:Crown::Crown:

:detective::detective:

I am quoting what housemouse said about the time frame..... It was also stated somewhere and I am trying to find it, that there may be some eyeopening event around these dates... If someone finds it post it, I am looking myself

butterfly1978

03-09-2009, 03:39 PM

March 7-11 also bring a Super Moon at 90% perigee to Putnam County. Big light shed on this at last.

Here it is, and further down it is discussed its on page 4 of this thread

Angel Who Cares

03-09-2009, 04:07 PM

WOW!!! As Nancy Grace would say BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!
Ronald Cummings, 25, popped the question to Misty Croslin Sunday night at Chili's, with several family members around them.
She said yes. :crazy:
I'm sure we'll be hearing NG saying that tonight!
You would think he would wait for his daughter to be found! :furious:
I posted the article just now in the Time-Stamped thread for you! I wanted to let you know this right away!

:angel:

butterfly1978

03-09-2009, 04:26 PM

WOW!!! As Nancy Grace would say BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!
Ronald Cummings, 25, popped the question to Misty Croslin Sunday night at Chili's, with several family members around them.
She said yes. :crazy:
I'm sure we'll be hearing NG saying that tonight!
You would think he would wait for his daughter to be found! :furious:
I posted the article just now in the Time-Stamped thread for you! I wan't to let you know this right away!

WOW!!! As Nancy Grace would say BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!
Ronald Cummings, 25, popped the question to Misty Croslin Sunday night at Chili's, with several family members around them.
She said yes. :crazy:
I'm sure we'll be hearing NG saying that tonight!
You would think he would wait for his daughter to be found! :furious:
I posted the article just now in the Time-Stamped thread for you! I wan't to let you know this right away!

:angel:

I hope this is not the eyeopening thing.:confused:

this makes my hinky meter go up even more! how has he had time to shop for a ring and even think about popping the ? with his daughter missing!:banghead::banghead:

OF COURSE SHE SAID YES SHE'S BARELY 17!!!!!!!!:banghead::banghead::

Salem

03-09-2009, 04:48 PM

My mind is spinning with this news. I'm wondering if RC thinks this will keep him out of trouble regarding the 25/17 age difference?

Can we tell anything from a chart if we can get the date and time of the application from the Court Clerk's site. I'm not sure what I want to know, except whether this proposal was made out of love, or something else?

Salem

HeartBroken

03-09-2009, 05:21 PM

If they get married, if they are arrested they do not have to testify against each other! Sounds like a cover to me!

That is very good point! Interesting that he would chose this time? Lets hope that does not come from Donations ::(

CONNIEHU

03-09-2009, 05:58 PM

WOW!!! As Nancy Grace would say BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!
Ronald Cummings, 25, popped the question to Misty Croslin Sunday night at Chili's, with several family members around them.
She said yes. :crazy:
I'm sure we'll be hearing NG saying that tonight!
You would think he would wait for his daughter to be found! :furious:
I posted the article just now in the Time-Stamped thread for you! I wan't to let you know this right away!

:angel:

I was just reading on another web site this weekend that someone noticed that he was wearing a ring on his left hand. It was one of the pictures where he was showing off his new tat previous pictures showed no ring ......speculation was that maybe they already got married (possibly when they went for him to get new tat and his minister married them) so neither would be compelled to testify against each other.....

Angel Who Cares

03-09-2009, 06:42 PM

WOW!!! As Nancy Grace would say BOMBSHELL!!!!!!!!
Ronald Cummings, 25, popped the question to Misty Croslin Sunday night at Chili's, with several family members around them.
She said yes. :crazy:
I'm sure we'll be hearing NG saying that tonight!
You would think he would wait for his daughter to be found! :furious:
I posted the article just now in the Time-Stamped thread for you! I wanted to let you know this right away!

:angel:

Quoting myself!
:doh: :crazy: A video interview with Misty & a media report was released. :tsktsk: Misty is all giddy in the interview "a must see" just released a little bit ago. (Posted in the Time-Stamped Thread)
Misty says that this is what Haleigh wanted before she disappeared! Her parents are signing the papers allowing her to marry. ITA: This is very suspicious that they are going to rush to get married before Haleigh is found!
:furious: :burn: :hopping_mad: :steamed: :rage: :curses: :mad:

:angel:

Asker

03-09-2009, 08:02 PM

i thought i heard somewhere that the events could happen during mar7-mar 11 someone correct me or explain to me please

The Full Moon will occur tomorrow night (March 10) at around 8:30 pm CST. Full Moons often shed light on matters but what the light might be is not generally predictable. This Full Moon will be "special" in that the Moon will be conjunct Saturn in Virgo and the Sun will be conjunct Uranus in Pisces. The Saturn/Uranus conjunction has been in effect for a long time and will be in effect on and off into 2010.

Saturn represents limitations, boundaries, restrictions, etc., and Uranus represents break outs, surprises, shocks, the unusual, the unexpected, etc., so perhaps this Full Moon will bring to light some very interesting things.

Events do not have to happen exactly on Full Moons or New Moons or eclipses. The events can happen in a period of time before or after the exact date. IMO this announcement of an "engagement" between Ron and Misty may well be one of this Full Moon's surprises. The news is shocking and involves a man (Sun) and a woman (Moon) and restrictions (the marriage privilege so far as court testimony perhaps).

Soulscape

03-09-2009, 08:09 PM

If we had had the foresight to check Ron and Misty's Solar Returns, we may have forecasted that a marriage might be in the works.

I have used Sunrise charts for both Ron and Misty and have relocated both to Satsuma FL. These charts are a concrete example of just how "accurate" Sunrise relocated charts can be.

I will only point out a couple observations and leave it to the other Astrologers to add to the discussion if they so choose.

1. Bi-Wheel showing Misty's current Solar Return as Inner and her relocated Sunrise natal as outer:

Ron's natal VENUS 19 Virgo is conjunct his SR SATURN 18 Virgo. As in Misty's chart, this is a marriage marker because VENUS is ruler of 7th House of Marriage in the natural wheel and SATURN symbolizes commitment.

Of course none of us were thinking that an announcement of marriage would come four weeks into the desperate search for Ron's missing 5 year old baby, which is probably why it never occurred to us to look at these Solar Returns in the first place.

But now that the marriage announcement has been made public and we've looked at the charts, we can see how we could have seen this potential in advance if any of us had given it a thought...

Thanks,
Soulscape

Salem

03-09-2009, 09:09 PM

Soulscape - based on these solar return readings - would that indicate that this proposal is genuine? It appears the two are moving quickly, having gone to the courthouse today and Misty's parents filling out the paperwork already. Ron just proposed last night. I can see a wedding happening in a week or two. Typically one doesn't get the marriage license until a week or so before the wedding. I wonder what the rush is?

I'm having trouble with this proposal and its significance, if any. It seems there are some ulterior motives here - but I'm not sure what they might be. They can still testify against each other, even if they are married.

How could someone marry the person who lost their child - when it has not been determined what happened to the child? I could see this if Haleigh's disappearance had been resolved, but it has not.

Salem

Mish

03-09-2009, 09:35 PM

Soulscape - based on these solar return readings - would that indicate that this proposal is genuine? It appears the two are moving quickly, having gone to the courthouse today and Misty's parents filling out the paperwork already. Ron just proposed last night. I can see a wedding happening in a week or two. Typically one doesn't get the marriage license until a week or so before the wedding. I wonder what the rush is?

I'm having trouble with this proposal and its significance, if any. It seems there are some ulterior motives here - but I'm not sure what they might be. They can still testify against each other, even if they are married.

How could someone marry the person who lost their child - when it has not been determined what happened to the child? I could see this if Haleigh's disappearance had been resolved, but it has not.

Salem

Salem-

My thoughts are identical to yours- something just doesn't feel right with regard to this new development. As far as the marriage and testifying against each other, I think the point may be that they can't be "forced" to testify against the other. It's "fair game" / "gloves are off" IF either Ron or Misty felt "compelled" to offer the courts insightful assistance at some point in the future. I think the legal wrangling is with "forcing" either one of them in tossing the other under the nearest bus if an "every man for himself" fear materialized along with Haleigh, herself. (body found:()

I wonder if AnnaFL has any insight regarding this latest news; AND is it possible for the charts cast by our ALL-STAR Astrosleuths to show "motive" for this decision?

I've also wondered if this might also shore-up any cracks in the relationship foundation, just in case Haleigh's mom has legally reconsidered the custody arrangements for their youngest munchkin. Isn't she engaged ALREADY?:silenced:

Can the charts validate any of our "suspicions" ?? :confused:

-Mish:)

Soulscape

03-09-2009, 09:37 PM

Soulscape - based on these solar return readings - would that indicate that this proposal is genuine? It appears the two are moving quickly, having gone to the courthouse today and Misty's parents filling out the paperwork already. Ron just proposed last night. I can see a wedding happening in a week or two. Typically one doesn't get the marriage license until a week or so before the wedding. I wonder what the rush is?

I'm having trouble with this proposal and its significance, if any. It seems there are some ulterior motives here - but I'm not sure what they might be. They can still testify against each other, even if they are married.

How could someone marry the person who lost their child - when it has not been determined what happened to the child? I could see this if Haleigh's disappearance had been resolved, but it has not.

Salem

Salem,

The short answer is that the Solar Return charts would not show whether a marriage proposal is geniune or an ulterior motive.

Here's the long answer:

Solar Return charts often point to significant events for the year, not motive. Certain connections between natal and SR planets in both Ron's and Misty's charts independently give indications of marriage, not "why" they might do so, nor even that a marriage might be to each other.

In other words, Misty's SR compared to her natal gives suggestion of possible marriage during the SR year and Ron's SR compared to his natal also gives suggestion (or opportunity/potential) of marriage during the year. SRs often show potential or opportunity for certain events to manifest in a person's life during a particular year, but that doesn't mean they have to. These indications were set in place on their last birthdays, well before Haleigh went missing. If Haleigh never went missing, Ronald may have proposed to Misty anyway because the potential for marriage in both their charts was there.

If we want a clearer look at motive, we could look at a chart for the actual proposal if we can narrow down the time. I know it was during a dinner with other family members present but we'd need the time as well as the date.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape

03-09-2009, 09:53 PM

I apologize for dropping in on your thread, but I simply have to ask -

Have you done charts for my #1 suspect, Chad R? ...

Thx,
LFl

Hello LFlorida,

We have Chad R's birth data and IIRC, we have our suspicions concerning him but have not placed him at the top of our list. I would be willing to give his chart another look and make comments later this evening.

...

Thank you,
Soulscape

(Respectfully snipped for relevancy)

Hello LFlorida,

I gave RSO Chad Reynolds's chart another look. Unfortunately, like many other of the RSO charts, his show disturbing connections to Haleigh's natal chart. However, when I place this chart in a tri-wheel showing Haleigh's natal as Inner, Reynolds's natal (Sunrise, Ocala, FL) as Middle, and either the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA or the 911 Call charts as Outer, it just doesn't "click" into place to the degree other RSO charts do.

Therefore, while I won't discount him as the potential perp, he is not at the top of my list.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Khaki_Pants

03-09-2009, 10:08 PM

(Respectfully snipped for relevancy)

Hello LFlorida,

I gave RSO Chad Reynolds's chart another look. Unfortunately, like many other of the RSO charts, his show disturbing connections to Haleigh's natal chart. However, when I place this chart in a tri-wheel showing Haleigh's natal as Inner, Reynolds's natal (Sunrise, Ocala, FL) as Middle, and either the LAST SEEN BY G-GMA or the 911 Call charts as Outer, it just doesn't "click" into place to the degree other RSO charts do.

Therefore, while I won't discount him as the potential perp, he is not at the top of my list.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I was just wondering, may be a silly question but, Is there any way, from this one chart that you have on CR, that you can tell If he MAY or may not still be alive? Wanted to ask for awhile now but was shy.:blush:

Soulscape

03-09-2009, 10:32 PM

I was just wondering, may be a silly question but, Is there any way, from this one chart that you have on CR, that you can tell If he MAY or may not still be alive? Wanted to ask for awhile now but was shy.:blush:

Khaki,

Out of my own curiosity, I actually did look at his chart for his LAST SEEN and the subsequent Missing Persons report filed on him a while back --- but didn't make special note of the dates/ times and didn't save to file. I distinctly recall, however, I did not see testimonies of death in the LAST SEEN and Missing Persons report charts, and saw no fatality markers when compared to his Sunrise natal chart. (That doesn't mean something didn't happen to him between then and now, just that death did not appear likely at the time of disappearance.)

Thanks,
Soulscape

Capri

03-09-2009, 11:08 PM

Apparently, they will marry soon.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3433623&postcount=12

Licence issued today, and will become valid Mar. 12. (Gosh, wouldn't it be something if they married on Fri 13th)

CONNIEHU

03-09-2009, 11:26 PM

Apparently, they will marry soon.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3433623&postcount=12

Licence issued today, and will become valid Mar. 12. (Gosh, wouldn't it be something if they married on Fri 13th)

Greta V reported that they plan to marry later this week so....could be 13th?? Guess if the police have anything at all on either of them they better work on an arrest soon. How is it that the police have not leaked one ounce of information about Haleighs disappearence? No POIs not one ounce of anything. They are being too tight lipped wonder why? IDK this is so wrong on so many levels. Somethings got to break soon. this little girl needs to be found

blstarke

03-10-2009, 02:37 PM

I called Chili's and they were there on March the 8th at 6Pm

nursebeeme

03-10-2009, 02:43 PM

i called chili's and they were there on march the 8th at 6pm
you rock!

Asker

03-10-2009, 05:21 PM

I called Chili's and they were there on March the 8th at 6Pm

I’m assuming that 6:00 p.m. was the time of the reservation or the time they sat down to dinner. It sounds as though the proposal came at some point during the dinner so I ran an event chart for 6:45 p.m.

The Asc is 21 Gemini which is the opposite of the 911 call. That Asc was 22 Sag. Gemini on the Asc means Mercury is the chart ruler. Mercury is at a critical degree: 29:52 Aquarius…at the very tail end of the 29th degree. Mercury in Aquarius indicates new and original ideas…thinking outside of the box…inventive ideas. The 9th house indicates legal matters. Getting married to a minor involves legalities as one example.

The 29th degree is an Anaretic degree indicating some real issues with decision making and all the more so when Mercury is in that degree. It also indicates jumping into situations blindly and there can be a real sense of urgency about making decisions.

Celebrations and parties are ruled by the 5th house. Libra is on the 5th house cusp so Venus is the ruler of the party/celebration. Venus is in her detriment in Aries and also retrograde in the 11th house of associations. Venus also rules relationships. The public proposal and engagement are not viewed as a good thing by others. Venus in Aries can sometimes be viewed as tacky behavior. Venus also rules the 12th house of self-undoing. Whatever the objective in getting engaged, it got off to a poor start and probably won’t work out the way it was hoped (11th house also rules hopes and wishes).

The couple, the engagement, and the wedding, are all 7th house matters. The 7th house is ruled by Jupiter which is in Aquarius in the 9th house. It was a big (Jupiter) sudden and shocking (Aquarius) idea (9th house) that may well have legal considerations involved in it as both Jupiter and the 9th house deal with the law.

In this chart I would view the Sun as representing Ron and the Moon representing Misty. The Sun is in the 10th house (public display and party in control) and it is conjunct Uranus (the ruler of Aquarius). It was probably a sudden act on Ron’s part in his effort to control some situation or other. The Sun and Uranus are in Pisces. He has a secret agenda for doing this.

The Moon is in Leo in the 3rd house of communications. Possibly Ron proposed in an effort to better control what Misty communicates to other people. In Leo she is as proud as a peacock about the engagement and is in love. In the 3rd house she IS talking and because the Moon is inconjunct the Sun, it is driving Ron crazy (Sun conjunct Uranus).

Saturn is in the 4th house which rules the End of the Matter. The reason for the public proposal was control which Saturn rules. Saturn is retrograde so it is doing CYA work and Saturn is in Virgo…keeping control of the details. Saturn is *exactly* opposite the Sun. Ron probably feels he is having control problems…that he isn’t in control as much as he’d like to be.

Saturn rules the 8th house of joint matters, joint assets, and death among other things. Again I think Saturn is trying to do damage control and because it is retrograde it is playing catch up or trying to.

Salem

03-10-2009, 10:27 PM

A secret agenda under the light of the full moon.... hmmmmmmm

Salem

Thank you Asker - very nice post.

Money Girl

03-11-2009, 02:27 AM

Hello LFlorida,

We have Chad R's birth data and IIRC, we have our suspicions concerning him but have not placed him at the top of our list. I would be willing to give his chart another look and make comments later this evening.

Regarding Chad's friend "Bill C," I am not aware of this person. We would need his DATE & PLACE OF BIRTH to cast a chart. Also, if you can provide any relevant information --- how do they know each other? Is Bill C an RSO? Etc.

Thank you,
Soulscape

Soulscape, Your postings have been most interesting.

May I ask who is at the top of your list as a supect?

Thank you.

Soulscape

03-11-2009, 09:16 AM

Soulscape, Your postings have been most interesting.

May I ask who is at the top of your list as a supect?

Thank you.

Hello Money Girl,

#1 RSO Suspect - Donald Lee S.

Quoting myself:

Jersey, there are several charts & discussions involving SAPP. See Housemouse's post below for a list of links:

The contacts with Johns's chart are not as ominous as those with Sapp's. Again, my "short list" is:

1. DONALD LEE S.
2. TIMOTHY RANDOLPH L.
3. JAMES JOSEPH L.

S is way out in front with L close behind. CHAD EUGENE R. is highly suspicious as well.

WILLIAM MARTIN C's Nodes are on Haleigh's SUN with Event chart NEPTUNE on his natal Sunrise Midheaven. He needs a closer look.

RICHARD SCOTT W's chart is highly suspicious when compared to Haleigh's Sunrise Natal and the 911 Call chart. He needs a closer look.

I'd put TIMOTHY S. F. lower down the list, but he's still on it.

It is disheartening that so many of these RSO's charts interact. They all need to be thoroughly investigated and re-investigated by LE.

Thanks,
Soulscape

To above list of RSO suspects, I will add RSO S., who, among other things, has natal PLUTO smack exact on little Haleigh's natal SUN at 24 Leo. I don't even want to think about what may have happened to her if this POS had gotten his hands on her......

I would like to remind everyone once again, despite the disturbing connections, we cannot be certain an RSO is the perp, for it could have been someone operating under the radar screen and not on the Registry.

Thanks,
Soulscape

kittylyn461

03-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Hello Money Girl,

#1 RSO Suspect - Donald Lee S.

Quoting myself:

To above list of RSO suspects, I will add RSO S., who, among other things, has natal PLUTO smack exact on little Haleigh's natal SUN at 24 Leo. I don't even want to think about what may have happened to her if this POS had gotten his hands on her......

I would like to remind everyone once again, despite the disturbing connections, we cannot be certain an RSO is the perp, for it could have been someone operating under the radar screen and not on the Registry.

Thanks,
Soulscape

What about cousin Jo you don't think he has anything to do with it or misty brother and sister-in law

jnTexas

03-11-2009, 10:49 AM

Hello Money Girl,

#1 RSO Suspect - Donald Lee S.

Quoting myself:

To above list of RSO suspects, I will add RSO S., who, among other things, has natal PLUTO smack exact on little Haleigh's natal SUN at 24 Leo. I don't even want to think about what may have happened to her if this POS had gotten his hands on her......

I would like to remind everyone once again, despite the disturbing connections, we cannot be certain an RSO is the perp, for it could have been someone operating under the radar screen and not on the Registry.Thanks,
Soulscape

I may get stones thrown at me on this one!:truce:

Do you think the Dad could be responsible? Since he is a non registered sex offender (having relations with several teenage girls). My gut feeling from day one has been the Dad and GF. Just wondering if he falls into the SO profile on the charts.

Thanks for all your input!

Soulscape

03-11-2009, 10:52 AM

What about cousin Jo you don't think he has anything to do with it or misty brother and sister-in law

Hi Kittylyn,

We have looked at Cousin Joe's chart compared to Haleigh Natal and the Event charts (LAST SEEN BY G-GMA and the 911 Call charts). I do not see strong enough "triggers" to isolate him as a highly potential perp.

Regarding Misty's brother & sister-in-law, I see no reason to discuss them at this time as nothing indicates their involvement. If that changes, I will reconsider.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape

03-11-2009, 10:56 AM

I may get stones thrown at me on this one!:truce:

Do you think the Dad could be responsible? Since he is a non registered sex offender (having relations with several teenage girls). My gut feeling from day one has been the Dad and GF. Just wondering if he falls into the SO profile on the charts.

Thanks for all your input!

No.

It is not the Dad and not the GF, at least not directly. However, their lifestyles/ behaviors and choices of friends/acquaintances likely had something to do with it. See my post 911 Call Chart Revisited - Part 4 a couple pages back.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3427718&postcount=197

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape

03-11-2009, 11:02 AM

O/T -- If anyone is finding Post #1 on this Thread (a comprehensive listing of charts and astrological discussions in this case) as helpful as I am finding it, please run right over there and click on the THANKS icon to let FifthEssence know how much we appreciate her!!

Fifth, I can't tell you how many times I've been referring to that post to answer a question/ refresh my memory, etc. Thank you so much for creating, maintaining and adding to it.

:blowkiss:
Love,
Soulscape

Asker

03-11-2009, 12:49 PM

I may get stones thrown at me on this one!:truce:

Do you think the Dad could be responsible? Since he is a non registered sex offender (having relations with several teenage girls). My gut feeling from day one has been the Dad and GF. Just wondering if he falls into the SO profile on the charts.

Thanks for all your input!

I have a different opinion than other astrologers here of who is most likely responsible. I just went back and looked at the 911 call event chart again just to be sure of what I think I saw there. The Asc is 22 Sag. Sag represents law. Pluto is in the 1st house. A crime is what is being reported to law officials. Jupiter rules the Asc and is in the 2nd house in Aquarius. There is confusion in the 911 call as to what actually happened. Jupiter is conjunct Mars (a malefic) and the North Node. The confusion will carry on into the future.

LE has said that they don’t know what crime occurred or when it actually happened. So I then looked at the 8th house which rules crime and criminal activity. Cancer is on the 8th house cusp and the Leo is intercepted in the 8th house. The Moon rules Cancer and the Sun rules Leo. Therefore, the Moon and the Sun are the co-rulers of the 8th house of crime. The Moon rules women and the Sun rules men. Also, the Sun is a signifier of the father while the Moon often signifies female caretakers and/or mothers.

The Moon has just changed signs from festive and party-going Leo into dutiful Virgo. It has been said that Misty had just been brought back home after being AWOL for 3 days of partying. The Moon is exactly on the cusp of the 9th house so she can be read as being both in the 8th and the 9th house. The 9th house represents the law. In the 911 chart Misty is dutifully calling 911 as she was told to do in order to report the crime.

The Sun is in the intercepted 2nd house in Aquarius. Aquarius shows Ron was upset and shocking and changeable in behavior during the 911 call. The Sun is exactly conjunct Chiron—the wound that never heals. The Sun is also conjunct Neptune indicating Ron may have not been there or perhaps he is hiding something. Neptune can also represent alcohol and drugs. Neptune rules the 3rd house of communication. Things said in the call were either not accurate or not true.

Venus in Aries (in her detriment meaning Venus is not in good condition) is in the 3rd house. Venus rules the 5th house of the child. They were communicating to LE that something had happened to Haleigh. Venus is separating from a square to Pluto (a crime) in the 1st house. The planets have separated by 3 degrees. This might tell LE when the crime occurred but I don’t know how to estimate time from aspects. All I can say is the crime happened some time before the call was made.

The Sun makes no aspect to Venus but the Moon is applying to an inconjunct to Venus. Misty will not be helpful to LE in communicating what really happened to Haleigh. The Sun in the intercepted 2nd house cannot make much movement. Ron is locked into what was said on the 911 call.

The South Node (unfortunate circumstances) is in the intercepted 8th house of the crime in Leo which is said to be the sign of the father and is opposing Jupiter the ruler of the 911 call chart. It will be very difficult for LE to solve this crime whatever the crime is.

Obviously I’m suspicious of Ron and Misty but that doesn’t mean I’m right. This is just how I read the 911 chart. I’m not saying that any other astrologer is wrong. I very well could be the one who is wrong. I’m only saying I read the chart differently and have a different opinion of who is most likely responsible.

FifthEssence

03-11-2009, 01:46 PM

The KEY word here is RESPONSIBLE. Directly? indirectly?

It has been noted repeatedly, that pieces are missing in the story for that evening. It appears the 'caretaker' was not focused on the welfare of the children, preoccupied? distracted? The stellium of planets in the 2nd House are striking. What's hidden? What information purposely was not disclosed early on? Something to do with 'visitors', the comings and goings at the house earlier. Many questions remain.

I respectfully refer to a post by TUBA:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3394679&postcount=24

All the charts have repeatedly shown a family connection in that R & M's lifestyle, behaviours, choices of friends are key to finding out what happen to Haleigh and locating her. So in this sense, the 'responsibility' does fall on the parents in that house.

beckaroozie

03-11-2009, 01:46 PM

Asker...based on your post, who do YOU feel is responsible? I didn't think it was clear. Are you saying you don't believe it's a pedophile? Also, are you saying you don't believe she was kidnapped?

Thank you.

beckaroozie

03-11-2009, 01:50 PM

The KEY word here is RESPONSIBLE. Directly? indirectly?

It has been noted repeatedly, that pieces are missing in the story for that evening. It appears the 'caretaker' was not focused on the welfare of the children, preoccupied? distracted? The stellium of planets in the 2nd House are striking. What's hidden? What information purposely was not disclosed early on? Something to do with 'visitors', the comings and goings at the house earlier. Many questions remain.

I respectfully refer to a post by TUBA:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3394679&postcount=24

All the charts have repeatedly shown a family connection in that R & M's lifestyle, behaviours, choices of friends are key to finding out what happen to Haleigh and locating her. So in this sense, the 'responsibility' does fall on the parents in that house.

I agree Fifth...it's all in how RESPONSIBILITY for the crime is defined. Responsible for ALLOWING her to be kidnapped through the IRRESPONSIBILITY of the caretaker? or RESPONSIBLE for the actual kidnapping and whatever else happened to this poor child.

sharpar

03-11-2009, 02:18 PM

I just wanted to point out that the marriage doesnt give Ron or Misti spousal exemption from testfying against each other because the crime occurred before the marriage and also because the crime was committed against a child .

Salem

03-11-2009, 02:32 PM

Reading Asker's post, Fifth's response and going back to read Tuba's post - I'm thinking: Misti lied about being home and Ron knows it. The inability to make a "responsible decision" during the 911 call makes me think Misti told Ron she had stepped out. AND this is PURE speculation/theorizing here - Ron covered for her because of the custody issues.

Of course many other things could be happening but it is apparent not only from the charts but from body language and 911 call analysis that Misti is lying, either directly or by omission. RC's proposal is a stunner and I put merit in the finding in the chart that there is a "secret agenda."

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to do a chart on the presser yesterday? Maybe compared to Haleigh's natal and the 911 call? I think I could run the chart using one of the free astro programs, but I would have NO idea what the chart told me :)

Salem

Asker

03-11-2009, 07:37 PM

The KEY word here is RESPONSIBLE. Directly? indirectly?

It has been noted repeatedly, that pieces are missing in the story for that evening. It appears the 'caretaker' was not focused on the welfare of the children, preoccupied? distracted? The stellium of planets in the 2nd House are striking. What's hidden? What information purposely was not disclosed early on? Something to do with 'visitors', the comings and goings at the house earlier. Many questions remain.

I respectfully refer to a post by TUBA:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3394679&postcount=24

All the charts have repeatedly shown a family connection in that R & M's lifestyle, behaviours, choices of friends are key to finding out what happen to Haleigh and locating her. So in this sense, the 'responsibility' does fall on the parents in that house.

I don't believe this 911 chart can answer whether or not it was a deliberate misdeed or it was due to negligence but negligence would make them both responsible from a moralistic point of view although perhaps not from a legal point of view.

Like I said, I read the chart differently and do not see evidence of an outsider coming in the home in that chart. The facts as currently known back that part of my reading up. LE has said that they failed to find evidence left behind (whether DNA evidence or any other forensic evidence) of an outsider being in the home that night. LE has also said they found no evidence of forced entry.

Also, like I said above: this is my reading of the chart and it differs from others to some degree and I'm not maintaining my reading is the only reading or even the correct reading. I'm just saying I looked at it a bit differently. I'm not asking you or anyone else to agree with my reading and I respect the readings done by other astrologers even though I'm not in complete agreement.

Asker

03-11-2009, 08:05 PM

Asker...based on your post, who do YOU feel is responsible? I didn't think it was clear. Are you saying you don't believe it's a pedophile? Also, are you saying you don't believe she was kidnapped?

Thank you.

No, I personally don't believe she was kidnapped. It doesn't mean she wasn't kidnapped...it is only my opinion.

I first look to Pluto to signify kidnapping in a chart because of the mythological story of Persephone. But Pluto doesn't only rule kidnappings. Pluto also rules all crimes and criminals, rape, murder, death, sexual abuse, violence, burial, investigations, detectives, jealousy, trash, and almost anything not valued in general. In the 911 chart I don't see enough info to choose which of those things applies. It could be any one of them or a combination of several.

However, Pluto is in a separating square from Venus (Haleigh). That tells me something terrible did happen but not precisely what. Venus is in her detriment and on the cusp of the 4th house which rules the End of the Matter which can signify death. The 4th house represents the home and so IMO whatever terrible thing happened to Haleigh happened in the home and not somewhere else.

The chart has the father (the Sun) and the female caretaker (the Moon) both ruling the 8th house (the house of the crime...whatever LE eventually determines the crime to be) and IMO that points suspicion on Ron and Misty. Again that is only an opinion of mine based on the way *I* read the chart and nothing more. I will be delighted to be proven wrong about this including the part about something terrible happening to Haleigh.