In a word, yes. Saw this with my family over Christmas and we all really liked it. If you were at all turned off by the Michael Bay films, this is a good refresh. What a difference a new director with affinity for the source material can make.

The film can almost be considered a chick flick with how sweet and heartwarming it is. If there's one nitpick I can make is that after so many hugs, caresses, and looks of affection betwwen Bee and Charlie, that it started to feel a little schmaltzy. But all in all an enjoyable time. It's probably the movie we should've gotten back in '07.

The opening prologue set on Cybertron needs to be an entire movie like right now.

(12-26-2018, 05:32 AM)cd underbelly Wrote: The opening prologue set on Cybertron needs to be an entire movie like right now.

It already is two kick ass games:

Oh I know. I have and adore the Cybetron games, but I mean specifically an entire film with this movie's designs. As much as I like WFC/FOC, some of the designs didn't fully sit right with me. Mainly Optimus. In Bumblebee he's pretty much perfect.

They have indeed announced an animated Cybetron origin movie, but I seriously doubt it will the prologue stretched to feature lentgh, probably closer to a Dreamworks or Illumination project, meaning nowhere near as detailed.

Is having an ILM animated 90 minute Cybertron movie that costs near a billion dollars to make too much to ask?

(12-26-2018, 05:32 AM)cd underbelly Wrote: The opening prologue set on Cybertron needs to be an entire movie like right now.

It already is two kick ass games:

Oh I know. I have and adore the Cybetron games, but I mean specifically an entire film with this movie's designs. As much as I like WFC/FOC, some of the designs didn't fully sit right with me. Mainly Optimus. In Bumblebee he's pretty much perfect.

They have indeed announced an animated Cybetron origin movie, but I seriously doubt it will the prologue stretched to feature lentgh, probably closer to a Dreamworks or Illumination project, meaning nowhere near as detailed.

Is having an ILM animated 90 minute Cybertron movie that costs near a billion dollars to make too much to ask?

Bumblebee is exceptional. My hope is this movie does for Transformers what Batman Begins did for Batman films. Begins wasn’t a huge financial success but the critical success and positive word of mouth lead to enough dollars showing up. The franchise course correction won over fans that’d been beaten down by the likes of Batman and Robin and by the time The Dark Knight was announced a new Batman film was once again an in-demand property.

Bumblebee might not make all the dollars, but it should (hopefully) make enough to earn a sequel and that should (again, hopefully) convince fans that it’s ok to come back out for Transformers films.

I’m glad to know this movie turned out alright. There were good indications from the first trailer when you could see decipherable action between the Transformers plus designs that are way less designed.

Sam Witwicky (Transformers 2007): I want to get a car so I can get laid.

Charlie Watson (Bumblebee): I want to get a car so I can have a taste of what I used to feel when I worked on an old car with my dead father. Also I'm dealing with the fact that I'm kinda dead inside and no one else in my family seems to care or understand. They're all pretending to be happy and I just can't do it.

(12-27-2018, 01:13 PM)mondguy Wrote: Sam Witwicky (Transformers 2007): I want to get a car so I can get laid.

Charlie Watson (Bumblebee): I want to get a car so I can have a taste of what I used to feel when I worked on an old car with my dead father. Also I'm dealing with the fact that I'm kinda dead inside and no one else in my family seems to care or understand. They're all pretending to be happy and I just can't do it.

Sure but to be fair girls don't need a car to get laid.

“I call upon you to stop this musical now,” she said to the board. “You tear a community apart if you don’t.” -Prachi Ruina

Just illustrating that there's jussssttt a bit of a gap in the depth of the two characters. Lindsay Ellis brought it up in one of her videos, but Megan Fox's Mikaela was better written than the lead character.

Yeah, I can see that, but as a lead protagonist? Not much to work with. The sequels (at least the ones I saw) really doubled down on the character and made him somehow less likable than in the first movie.

ETA: This isn't a blanket male-protagonist-bad/female-protagonist-good statement. Sam could've had a backstory and motivation of equal depth, but that obviously isn't Bay's expertise.

(12-27-2018, 01:31 PM)mondguy Wrote: Just illustrating that there's jussssttt a bit of a gap in the depth of the two characters. Lindsay Ellis brought it up in one of her videos, but Megan Fox's Mikaela was better written than the lead character.

That actually is true!

“I call upon you to stop this musical now,” she said to the board. “You tear a community apart if you don’t.” -Prachi Ruina

But 1,3,4 and 5 have action and FX and set pieces that I just love. I can't not love movies with such visuals unless they're as hateful as ROTF and show John Turturro's be-thonged ass in IMAX. That movie was a huge middle finger to......well, everyone..

But 1,3,4 and 5 have action and FX and set pieces that I just love. I can't not love movies with such visuals unless they're as hateful as ROTF and show John Turturro's be-thonged ass in IMAX. That movie was a huge middle finger to......well, everyone..

Unlike the racist black autobots, which was offensive to just black people.

Seriously, I believe the Transformers movies are Bay's revenge on the world after Pearl Harbor and The Island got panned and flopped.
The guy has talent and loves making movies, but I dont doubt for a second he has nothing but contempt for his audience.

Jesus, there were FIVE of these? I remember the first one, and then a sequel with the pyramids and swinging balls, and then enjoying The Last Knight for just being absolutely gonzo crazy town banana pants and not giving a fuck. Probably saw the others, but don't recall.

But 1,3,4 and 5 have action and FX and set pieces that I just love. I can't not love movies with such visuals unless they're as hateful as ROTF and show John Turturro's be-thonged ass in IMAX. That movie was a huge middle finger to......well, everyone..

Unlike the racist black autobots, which was offensive to just black people.

Seriously, I believe the Transformers movies are Bay's revenge on the world after Pearl Harbor and The Island got panned and flopped.
The guy has talent and loves making movies, but I dont doubt for a second he has nothing but contempt for his audience.

I kid you not, I had forgotten about those..."characters". In my defense, my brain may have damaged itself to prevent future trauma.

Second one is only one I feel real contempt from. When even the action scenes are few and far between and sloppy and not too hot when they do show up. The set pieces in the others feel like too much effort was put into making them better and more unique and coherent for it to be the product of a guy who was in "fuck it, who gives a shit?" mode. Insane? Yes? Unenthusiastic? From 3 on?....I don't think so.

Like I said....I liken these movies to trick or treating at Don Simpson's house and getting cocaine..

RotF still has my favorite fight scene, the 3 on 1 forest battle against Optimus. It's even better in the Walmart exclusive bluray that adds the extra IMAX footage into it. Plus the movie has the best moment of all five of the films.