I'm in Will County and belong to the ISRA Will County Grass Roots organization. I'm a big fan of anything that makes Daley, Pfleger, Jackson et. al. look silly.

I'm sure those ministers and/or the cops all had FFL's and FOID cards when they took delivery of those guns. So I'm sure these well meaning events wouldn't be breaking any state or federal laws with these events.

I wonder if you and I could do the same thing at a rest stop somewhere along I-57? You know, exchange some old guns in return for the equivalent of cash with no ID or questions asked? Do you think Rod, Daley or the BATFE would mind?

If there was a national gun buyback day and thousands of gun owners could actually be heard and shown turning in junk handguns for cash toward new handguns and shooting programs, that would have an effect. It would show the idiocy of their campaign. Otherwise it is a mouse fart in a crowded hallway and I wouldn't participate purely on principle.

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Interesting idea there. Next time, Templar, call a reporter. Tell her what you're doing. See if you can get interviewed and make it known that you're buying working guns with the money from trading in your non-working guns.

Kingpin: You missed the point of the exercise. It was not the turning in of the junk and scrap we gathered from gunsmiths, and members. If you saw the rust on all the stuff Templar Took to Chicago, you would be embarrassed to suggest anything of use was left on anything of value.

When Templar says some of these were functional, that only means that you could actually open and close the rusted actions. If the action " worked " the brrrel was full of rust, and prbably dangerous to shoot.

Every gun shop has " Stuff " like this that has no value either for spare parts or for reconstruction into a gun. You would have to spend $200 + to have some of the barrels bored out and relined to have any kind of accuracy. The actions would need major work, and many springs and other parts replaced, so that you would be spending far more than it would cost to buy a new gun that shot twice as good. Most of what he had did not have stocks attached. They were barreled actions, and some were just down right dangerous to contemplate shooting. NO GUNSMITH is going to throw away anything he can use, or sell. This junk met tht test.

We did have a member show up with an old Mossberg rifle that was full of dust, and rust, but otherwise had a good barrel, and action. it was missing a sight hood. We told him to clean it up, and I offered to refinish the stock and reblue the barrel if he wanted to donate it to the club to auction off so we could raise money, if he really didn't want the gun. He's thinking about it.

The point of the exercise was to take money from the anti-gun forces of evil, and use their money to promote the shooting sports. If you want to find us a quick $1700.00 we would gladly accept your donation, and use the money for a worthy cause.

We also proved conclusively that the people involved in these Buy Back programs don't know a thing about guns, including the police who are there to check to make sure the guns are not loaded. These programs operate purely on emotion, and not facts. When you confront these people with facts, they shut up and go away.

( And that includes the cops. Its very understandable that cops want a monopoly on force when on the streets. They are a target just sitting in their squadcars, or walking down the street in their uniforms. They can be attacked at any time, from any direction. But, if cops think about it, they soon realize that any " back up " of other officers is minutes away, while if you work in a jurisdiction that does not disarm the good guys, you have the possibility of help from the good guys in a matter of seconds. If officers would go out and shoot with civilians on public ranges, or open their police ranges to citizens to receive instruction and practice, they would not only know who the good guys are, but would know who they can count on for help. That is what gives Law enforcement its true power- not a monopoly on force.)

For one side, if gunstore A is selling jennings duce duce pistols for $50, and there is a buyback for $100, i'd buy them all and turn them in. Yes, the numbers would be inflated, but the gunstore gets rid of crap and helps them stay solvent, then I turn around and buy good guns with that money, so funds that would never have gone to a gunmaker is getting redirected there.

But on the other hand, say, buying $80 mosin-nagants to turn in for $100, well, there are a limited number of these historic guns. How often have people looked for surplus guns that were common and cheap 30 years ago, but nearly impossible to find nowadays?

As far as turning over the guns to a gunsmith school. Here's what you do. You buy a $20 junk gun, turn it in for 100$, take that 80$ profit, go buy 4 more junk guns when there is no turnin, and donate them! If you have two broken guns, worth $50 each, turn em in, get your $200. Next time you get cheap broke guns taht wouldn't normally pay to fix them, break out that $200 and 'fix em for free!"

As far as turning over the guns to a gunsmith school. Here's what you do. You buy a $20 junk gun, turn it in for 100$, take that 80$ profit, go buy 4 more junk guns when there is no turnin, and donate them! If you have two broken guns, worth $50 each, turn em in, get your $200. Next time you get cheap broke guns taht wouldn't normally pay to fix them, break out that $200 and 'fix em for free!"

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I like akodo's line of thinking. Even if it does seem like a lot of work.

"Over 6000" guns + 745 BB/replicas in 6 hours (10am-4pm) at "over 20 locations" (let's assume 25) plus they ran out of Mastercards (so less than 6 hours) = 45 widgets processed PER HOUR at each location...pretty efficient for only admitting 2 at a time and having professionals inspect each and every widget.

I'll bet the AKs and Tec-9s were ready for photography before the event started.

I'll bet the numbers were already crunched and the press releases written before the event started as well.

I'll not bet on this, but if NOBODY SHOWED the photos and PR pieces would read the same. 5 or 10 years ago, buyback "success" might have passed without question...now, there's the slightest element of doubt.

hey where are you guys seeing crap guns? I like crap guns. I even bought a suit of body armor and a full face shield just to work on dangerously beat up guns.

you ought to see some of the rifles I've reassembled from rust buckets.

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It's a dirty job but someone has to do it, right?

The treasurer for Guns Save Life told me this morning that he talked with a member from Danville who turned in 20 guns during the "buy" as well. Good for him. He's planning on using the cards for misc. purchases between now and December when the cards expire.

I've often thought of buying a bunch of $80 Mosin Nagants and turning them in at a buyback for $100 and a quick $20/gun, but there are no buybacks in my area.

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Please don't. I know a lot of people would like to buy a Mosin for 80 bucks and have a real shooter than sell it to their buy-out and have them destroyed...because you KNOW that's the fate of guns that are 'bought back'.

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