pup wrote:I bet Ram fan is going to be pissed to find out they accepted a deal that was not as good as they could get because they had a buddy on the other line.

Yes, in a $50 side deal, I can see it coming down to friends. In the multi billion dollar world of the NFL, no freaking way. Mike is telling season ticket holders what he needs to for them to buy more tickets.

Too high... too far...

Who gives a shit? It's gone.

The truth (whatever that may be) won't change reality. No matter who's "fault" it is, H&H need to be the ones that clean it up.

BTW, how implausible did you find my theory:

STL says make your best offer. This is it.

CLE offers 3 1's. WAS offers 3 1's and a 2 (convenient, isn't it? Wonder if they had any inside knowledge about Cleveland's offer...).

STL takes the WAS package.

CLE calls back and says "We can beat that." STL says "No, we already sold the pick." (stupid tactics, but whatever). They don't go back on their word b/c Fisher & Shanny are buds.

CLE stomps feet and feels bitter. They feel their 3 1's are just as good as the Skins' package b/c the 4 is worth more than the 6 (it would take at least a 2nd rounder to move from 6 to 4), which is debatable but doesn't matter b/c STL didn't think so. Holmgren says as much in his call today, since Holmy is nothing if not easy to anger (and certainly seems like a grudge-holder).

pup wrote:I bet Ram fan is going to be pissed to find out they accepted a deal that was not as good as they could get because they had a buddy on the other line.

Yes, in a $50 side deal, I can see it coming down to friends. In the multi billion dollar world of the NFL, no freaking way. Mike is telling season ticket holders what he needs to for them to buy more tickets.

Too high... too far...

Who gives a shit? It's gone.

The truth (whatever that may be) won't change reality. No matter who's "fault" it is, H&H need to be the ones that clean it up.

BTW, how implausible did you find my theory:

STL says make your best offer. This is it.

CLE offers 3 1's. WAS offers 3 1's and a 2 (convenient, isn't it? Wonder if they had any inside knowledge about Cleveland's offer...).

STL takes the WAS package.

CLE calls back and says "We can beat that." STL says "No, we already sold the pick." (stupid tactics, but whatever). They don't go back on their word b/c Fisher & Shanny are buds.

CLE stomps feet and feels bitter. They feel their 3 1's are just as good as the Skins' package b/c the 4 is worth more than the 6 (it would take at least a 2nd rounder to move from 6 to 4), which is debatable but doesn't matter b/c STL didn't think so. Holmgren says as much in his call today, since Holmy is nothing if not easy to anger (and certainly seems like a grudge-holder).

SD:

Holmgren is a low life scum suckin slut , who has the nerve to be arrogant .

The fuckin fool sat down at a card table gambling for high stakes with all his cards showing and and comes out with a sore ass and all whinny because he got is fat greasy inept dumb ass beat .

My 12 year old nephew could peep his hole card .

Them two tight ass twats were beat before they started because they didn't bother to scout their competition and his play .

He knew he had the friendship dynamic to beat and ignored it .

Dickless cock breath has nobody to blame but himself , they layed back on this deal with no intensity like they do everything else and they got plain flat out stole .

Amateur mutha fucka gambles like he's betting his bill money .

Scairt money got no chance ,, arrogant fools were out played out classed and beat like the miserable cockroaches they are .

Fuckin pigs are the worst .

Greedy theivin bastards ain't earned a penny of them milions Lerner paid em , and now his phat funky ass is on blast .

I'm gonna personally boil him on this one , lousy mutha fucka ain't gonna moon walk out this .

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:So you're saying the Browns are like the Titanic?

Exactly. You have a giant boat that is sinking no matter what anyone does (the Browns).

You have a down on his luck stowaway who finds himself in the position to nail some quality strange if he plays his cards right. (Redskins)

You have the hot piece of ass who can really cut a rug and drink with the big boys who everyone wants a piece of. (RG3)

And you have the asshole lunatic running around trying to shoot people for jumping in and fucking the piece of ass he thought was his girlfriend. (Holmgren).

You just reminded me how much that movie sucks.

Yeah... that motherscratcher guy's not getting an office in our building. He makes me uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable like the back of a Volkswagen?

You guys will regret your decision not to give me an office when you are looking forward to a night out on the town, only to realize that you need a gold tooth with a diamond in it, and no way to get one.

Nothing other than to ask the fellas here if there's anything to this 'old boys club' that Chubby is referring to.

It would seem to me dismissing Chubby's claim that this was a deal between friends and old boys would have to lead to dismissing some of the Lamonte Club bullshit that's prevalent here.

Not really sure the point here Peeks. Networks exist, friendships exist and sometimes loyalty clouds judgement. The number of Browns FO and coaches represented by LaMonte is a fact, not bullshit.

Since we share the same brain, I think that I can speak for Peeks when I say that he is not referring to the fact that several Browns FO/Coaches being LaMonte clients as bullshit, but the fact that anyone cares is bullshit.

I think they offer that because the believe more than anyone that getting QB solved is more important that anything else. When you listen to them tlak about the "plan", the countdown to the SB for them starts when you find your QB and projects 3-5 years after that.

Nothing other than to ask the fellas here if there's anything to this 'old boys club' that Chubby is referring to.

It would seem to me dismissing Chubby's claim that this was a deal between friends and old boys would have to lead to dismissing some of the Lamonte Club bullshit that's prevalent here.

Not really sure the point here Peeks. Networks exist, friendships exist and sometimes loyalty clouds judgement. The number of Browns FO and coaches represented by LaMonte is a fact, not bullshit.

That's true. But there is an unwillingness of many of those upset by the Lamonte clique to acknowledge the potential roles cliques and friendships played bewtween the Skins and Rams.

It's dismissed as excuses and bullshit while anything that goes wrong in Berea is attributed to cliques and acquintances.

Again, not everyone and not every thing, there are plenty of issues where Chubby deserves to be tarred and feathered. All I want to see is a baseline of objectivity.

That was the point.

Got it. I never weighed in on the whole thing becasue I never expected RGIII to be a Brown in the first place and don't really fault Holmgren for not landing him if he indeed offered 2 additional round 1 picks.

BTW, it's obvious that you are nicer and smarter than your alter-ego

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

It looks like Miami is striking out in every QB derby out there. Is there a chance we can capitalize on their "panic" for a QB to get them to trade up for Browns' #4 pick so they can be sure to get Tannehill? There's a decent chance Tannehill will still be there at 8, but if they're gonna panic...

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

OldDawg wrote:It looks like Miami is striking out in every QB derby out there. Is there a chance we can capitalize on their "panic" for a QB to get them to trade up for Browns' #4 pick so they can be sure to get Tannehill? There's a decent chance Tannehill will still be there at 8, but if they're gonna panic...

There's no saying what Jeff Ireland will do, but I don't see them trading with us since we're their main threat to take Tannehill. Either we want him or we don't. I think our willingness to trade down will signal to Miami that we're not taking him anyway, and they can just sit tight.

If they trade up at all, I'd think it would be with Minny at #3. Which would be so Dolphinsish.

OldDawg wrote:It looks like Miami is striking out in every QB derby out there. Is there a chance we can capitalize on their "panic" for a QB to get them to trade up for Browns' #4 pick so they can be sure to get Tannehill? There's a decent chance Tannehill will still be there at 8, but if they're gonna panic...

What Hiko said. Browns are only threat to them. If they offer trade up to Fins then Miami knows they aren't in love with Tannehill.

The Browns need to divest themselves of Tannehill, swear their undying love for someone that teams behind them covet and then make best deal possible.

If Heckgren were an actual front office instead of an old man's cigar club I would say this means Trent Richardson is going to be picked #4 or Ben Tate is on his way to CBS. Instead this just means we will go with Hardesty to give Heckert one last chance at proving the world wrong for trading up.