Did Trump say that the borders in Jerusalem between West and East Jews and Arabs have to be worked out and not that the whole of Jerusalem belongs to Israel, In other words west Jerusalem is capital of Israel

Did Trump say that the borders in Jerusalem between West and East Jews and Arabs have to be worked out and not that the whole of Jerusalem belongs to Israel, In other words west Jerusalem is capital of Israel

He did not say "west Jerusalem is capital of Israel"
He said "I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel".

Did Trump say that the borders in Jerusalem between West and East Jews and Arabs have to be worked out and not that the whole of Jerusalem belongs to Israel, In other words west Jerusalem is capital of Israel

It sounds like this is something of great importance to you, so I suggest you look at it carefully for yourself, and don't just simply take anybody's word for it. There is way too much dis/misinformation in the world nowadays.

It sounds like this is something of great importance to you, so I suggest you look at it carefully for yourself, and don't just simply take anybody's word for it. There is way too much dis/misinformation in the world nowadays.

Said by someone who groaned me for providing the link to Trump's actual speech.

Said by someone who groaned me for providing the link to Trump's actual speech.

Because you failed to include: "We are not taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved."

And I simply can't watch this idiot talking!! His voice grates on my nerves. Like watching Hitler talking. And yes he did say the two sides could work things out later ( or never ) He was just trying to win back his support at home. Nothing more.

Because you failed to include: "We are not taking a position of any final status issues, including the specific boundaries of the Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem, or the resolution of contested borders. Those questions are up to the parties involved."

He twice said ""I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel", he twice deliberately chose not to say "West Jerusalem".

In contrast the Czechs said "it recognizes the pre-1967 west Jerusalem as the capital of Israel"
and the Russians back in April said "We reaffirm our commitment to the UN-approved principles for a Palestinian-Israeli settlement, which include the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state," the ministry said.
"At the same time, we must state that in this context we view West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.""

Trump burying his comment the end of his speech is not the same!
I wonder why he said "We are not taking a position of any final status issues..." instead of "We are not taking a position on any final status issues..."

Finesse is not Trumps strong point. I'm surprised you ponder about this.

In the end the f might just have kept his teeth in, while the n wouldn't have.

Alternatively Trump might have been developing an excuse not to move his Embassy at all?
If he had said "it is time to officially recognize West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel" then they could have built it in West Jerusalem.
But he said "it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel" and the boundaries of Jerusalem have to be agreed.
So now he can say we cannot build a new Embassy in Jerusalem until we know the boundaries of Jerusalem?

Alternatively Trump might have been developing an excuse not to move his Embassy at all?
If he had said "it is time to officially recognize West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel" then they could have built it in West Jerusalem.
But he said "it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel" and the boundaries of Jerusalem have to be agreed.
So now he can say we cannot build a new Embassy in Jerusalem until we know the boundaries of Jerusalem?

He could build the embassy in West Jerusalem, could claim he delivered while the actual problem stays unsolved.

In fact we should all go and build our embassies in West Jerusalem - it would be a very firm message!

But so far - in my opinion - he just said the same thing they all said and no, he.has.not.delivered. And I doubt he will.

The United States still will not formally recognize Jerusalem as being located in Israel on official documents, maps, and passports, despite President Donald Trump's announcement earlier this week that America is formally recognizing the holy city as Israel's capital, according to State Department officials who spoke to the Washington Free Beacon about the matter.

The irony of (inauguration crowd) Trump asking for a Washington Post reporter to be fired accusing him of tweeting a misleading photo showing a mostly-empty venue ahead of the president's Friday rally in Pensacola, Fla.
Anyway it was on the reporter's private Twitter account!

Everybody says "We don't recognize Jerusalem as capital" - but politicians have no problem flying there to meet Israeli politicians.
All the government-offices are there.

AFAIK, most Western states have recognized Israel as a sovereign nation. They can move their capital anywhere.
There are no (meaningful) sanctions. Because nobody in the West wants a weak Israel.

Thus, the peace process doesn't exist anyway.

A two-state solution might be viable with something like Switzerland and Liechtenstein (where there are (mostly) no ill feelings.
But with so many dead and nobody standing up and saying "It's my fault", this is going nowhere. Ever.

After the 2nd WW, what helped Germany come to peace with the neighboring nations? Saying "It's all our fault, we're truly sorry". And paying Israel compensation (still continues to this day, in various forms).

Someone had to bear the whole weight - and when you truly lost the war, that's a good day to call it quits and own up to it.

Why does that no happen in Israel? Because this has been going on for so long and with so many casualties and atrocities on both sides that each side can point the finger to the side and say "It's all their fault" - and it's true (and false at the same time).

Also, while there were conflicts, nobody really got defeated. Sure, borders were moved. But nobody got defeated.
That's the whole point. When you defeat somebody, you inherit the responsibility for the citizens of the land you capture. Like the US "inherited" the responsibility for the people of Germany and had to feed them through one of the harshest Winters in the century, in 1945.
Technically, Israel would probably need to hand out Israeli citizenship to the people in the occupied territory - which they probably are not very inclined to do.

They also can't really deport them en masse - you don't want to have these headlines.

So, what you do? Deprive them of most of the bare minimum of existence and hope that natural attrition will do the rest.

So, what Trump has done is bury the two-state "solution" and kick the ball back into the Israeli side of the field.

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So, what Trump has done is bury the two-state "solution" and kick the ball back into the Israeli side of the field.

Not necessarily. Trump didn't dictate any particular outcome, rather explicitly stated it is up to the two parties. The Palestinians are currently posturing like they are throwing their toys out. A better question is when practicality will prevail.

Everybody says "We don't recognize Jerusalem as capital" - but politicians have no problem flying there to meet Israeli politicians.
All the government-offices are there.

AFAIK, most Western states have recognized Israel as a sovereign nation. They can move their capital anywhere.
There are no (meaningful) sanctions. Because nobody in the West wants a weak Israel.

Thus, the peace process doesn't exist anyway.

A two-state solution might be viable with something like Switzerland and Liechtenstein (where there are (mostly) no ill feelings.
But with so many dead and nobody standing up and saying "It's my fault", this is going nowhere. Ever.

After the 2nd WW, what helped Germany come to peace with the neighboring nations? Saying "It's all our fault, we're truly sorry". And paying Israel compensation (still continues to this day, in various forms).

Someone had to bear the whole weight - and when you truly lost the war, that's a good day to call it quits and own up to it.

Why does that no happen in Israel? Because this has been going on for so long and with so many casualties and atrocities on both sides that each side can point the finger to the side and say "It's all their fault" - and it's true (and false at the same time).

Also, while there were conflicts, nobody really got defeated. Sure, borders were moved. But nobody got defeated.
That's the whole point. When you defeat somebody, you inherit the responsibility for the citizens of the land you capture. Like the US "inherited" the responsibility for the people of Germany and had to feed them through one of the harshest Winters in the century, in 1945.
Technically, Israel would probably need to hand out Israeli citizenship to the people in the occupied territory - which they probably are not very inclined to do.

They also can't really deport them en masse - you don't want to have these headlines.

So, what you do? Deprive them of most of the bare minimum of existence and hope that natural attrition will do the rest.

So, what Trump has done is bury the two-state "solution" and kick the ball back into the Israeli side of the field.

"They can move their capital anywhere." Usually countries do not move their capital outside of the internationally recognised boundaries of their own country.

Trump has not buried the two-state "solution" because he does not own the solution so he cannot change it.
Anyway the UN have rejected Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli.