Im talking about the Brave and the bold 31. And ive been waiting for it. IMO the Joker is the kind of character that doesn't really need an origin but it's better to have one than to accept "killing joke" as canon, because even though it was a well written story I always felt it doesn't really make sense. Joker being a good guy at heart? Sounds dramatic but bs. A comedian? Red Hood? Hitman? All these stories never felt right. A guy can't possibly do what Joker does without loving every moment of it and without dedicating his whole life to it. I always though he'd have to be born like that, and his B&TB origin seems like the most reasoable.

Killing Joke is taken as a good origin for the it's sinister concept of a "Bad Joke" punchline story.

It's a very good story but not one of my personal favorites. Mine will always be Death in the Family....the story is sad and the art of Jim Aparo is just so haunting. The facial expression of the Joker are trully disturbing...especially when he brutally beats Jason with the crowbar...it was just...urggh disturbing.

Originally posted by chomperx9 killing joke was one of my favorites for sure

And you're perfectly fine with Joker in that story? I mean, I liked it myself, it was like one of the most important Batman/Joker confrontations, but in that story Joker was no different than those dumb pathetic killers, the kind that suffer a lot in their life and become evil in order to inflict simillar pain on others. Also, they made it look like deep inside he was sorry about everything he's done. I mean, c'mone its the Joker! How could he be such an awesome villain if he's not even sure if he likes what he does?

Originally posted by SamZED And you're perfectly fine with Joker in that story? I mean, I liked it myself, it was like one of the most important Batman/Joker confrontations, but in that story Joker was no different than those dumb pathetic killers, the kind that suffer a lot in their life and become evil in order to inflict simillar pain on others. Also, they made it look like deep inside he was sorry about everything he's done. I mean, c'mone its the Joker! How could he be such an awesome villain if he's not even sure if he likes what he does?

So the origin we saw in killing joke was not his origin? I'm confuzzled, but I kinda liked the killing Joke mainly cuz we got to see jokers origin and how he became to look how he looks and the talk Batman and joker had at the end where batman reached out and actually kinda got to see the non sinister/crazy side of the joker

Originally posted by steverules_2 So the origin we saw in killing joke was not his origin? I'm confuzzled, but I kinda liked the killing Joke mainly cuz we got to see jokers origin and how he became to look how he looks and the talk Batman and joker had at the end where batman reached out and actually kinda got to see the non sinister/crazy side of the joker

Killing joke is canon, but its not known whcih story of him becoming the Joker is real, what we saw in KJ might've been just falls memories. Because he has like 4-5 origins so far, and each has evidence in its support. Kinda like Deadpool. Joker said himself he prefers to have multiple choices, maybe in KJ he decided to be a "poor victim"?

Originally posted by steverules_2 So the origin we saw in killing joke was not his origin? I'm confuzzled, but I kinda liked the killing Joke mainly cuz we got to see jokers origin and how he became to look how he looks and the talk Batman and joker had at the end where batman reached out and actually kinda got to see the non sinister/crazy side of the joker

The Killing Joke isn't strict canon on Joker's origin. Joker himself writes it off in the climax, where he talks about not knowing his origin - "sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another." So none of the comedian-to-Red Hood scenes can be taken for granted.

I don't think Joker should have the cliche markings as a young man of being a psycho. It's more meaningful if 'something' just happened to him - just as something happened to Bruce Wayne that made him Batman. It fits the parallel between them, and how they are true opposites. Joker isn't pure evil; he just thinks life & death is meaningless & stupid. So laugh at it, and do what you want.

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I buy killing Joke and it's later expansion involving his wife's murder but I think there's even more to the story explaining the Joker's insanity and his super human tenacity

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Originally posted by SamZED And you're perfectly fine with Joker in that story? I mean, I liked it myself, it was like one of the most important Batman/Joker confrontations, but in that story Joker was no different than those dumb pathetic killers, the kind that suffer a lot in their life and become evil in order to inflict simillar pain on others. Also, they made it look like deep inside he was sorry about everything he's done. I mean, c'mone its the Joker! How could he be such an awesome villain if he's not even sure if he likes what he does?

You do know the origin from The Killing Joke is not canon, right? The Joker doesn't have an official origin. In The Killing Joke, he says "Somedays I remember it oneway, somedays another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice. Ha ha ha!"

So don't worry if you don't like the Joker's origin in The Killing Joke because that origin is not considered to be canon (and neither does every other origin he had in the comics).

I liked his origin in the killing joke, for me he represents all of the maniacs that become insane with tragic events and we all have some blood lust inside, he found his so that he can now apreciate every single thing he does.