January 8, 2011

One of many tweets from catieparker, a woman who supposedly knew Jared Lee Loughner, the man who supposedly has been detained as a suspect in the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. She says: "I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing."

Appointed by President George H.W. Bush in 1991, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was shot and killed today when an assailant opened fire in a Safeway parking lot in Ariz., where Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz. was meeting with constituents.

Just two years ago, he was targeted with death threats -- and given a security detail -- after ruling that a group of illegal immigrants could go forward with a multi-million dollar civil rights lawsuit against a state rancher....

Not that it's important, but his "books" list on YouTube is a cut-and-paste of a summer reading list. Animal Farm, Mein Kampf and The Phantom Tollbooth? The Communist Manifesto? Really? What movement is that, The United Front Against Summer School?

I agree with Stacy McCain and Ace of Spades who both have said that there is a particular flavor to the political nut-cases they've ever met that is neither left nor right, the conspiracy beliefs and basic oddness of the pattern of concerns seeming to be its own thing rather than an offshoot of either side. Not that a person messed up in that way is automatically violent, but tends to worry about that particular laundry list of things... including their own particular and unique intelligence for seeing what other people ignore.

John Roll was a friend of mine and an outstanding public servant as both a prosecutor and a judge. It is disappointing indeed to see federal officials using the occasion of his tragic death, Gifford's injury and the injury and death of others for grandstanding.

The Pima County Sheriff's Office has a fine homocide unit and the local prosecutors have extensive experience trying homocides. The comparative amateurs at the FBI and Justice Department should maintain a low profile on this matter. Will they? I doubt it.

"The comparative amateurs at the FBI and Justice Department should maintain a low profile on this matter."

It has been 36 years since a United States Congressman has been shot.

I doubt very seriously that the FBI will maintain a low profile on this.

In fact, Obama Administration officials are already releasing information to their favored reporters without authorization. The best thing that could happen would be for the White House to stand down and stop releasing information to their friends in the media so that a proper investigation can occur.

Absolutely. Unfortunately, many on the left have a long track record of blaming the actions of every nut on the right. They leaped at the chance to blame the Unitarian Church in Knoxville on the Sean Hannity, and other conservatives. Any allegiance to the truth or fairness are totally absent in those people.

Unfortunately, many on the left have a long track record of blaming the actions of every nut on the right. They leaped at the chance to blame the Unitarian Church in Knoxville on the Sean Hannity, and other conservatives. Any allegiance to the truth or fairness are totally absent in those people.

Off-topic, but the shooter in that case stated in his own words (confession and manifesto) that he was targeting liberals. You can go herehere for information, including links to source material (it is Wikipedia, after all, so it's better to use it as an aggregator for better information. So that one was in fact a right-wing nut. Emphasis on nut, so let's move on.

And in this case as well as the Knoxville one, I really hate having to use the term nut, because it can imply that the person isn't really responsible for their actions. Unfortunately, there isn't a good single English word for someone who is irrational and whose thoughts are disjointed, but who is also an evil piece of shit who should hang and go to hell.

I don't think it is fair to paint this lunatic as left wing or to try to pin it on anything other than his madness. Trying to score political points on a tragedy where a little girl was killed is just obscene and beneath us.

"I don't think it is fair to paint this lunatic as left wing or to try to pin it on anything other than his madness. Trying to score political points on a tragedy where a little girl was killed is just obscene and beneath us."

Agreed. However I don't believe pointing out that he was certainly NOT a conservative or a Tea Partier is inappropriate considering the hatred spewed by Alpha and his ilk today.

The guy is obviously disturbed, but I am praying not disturbed enough to get him a pass on the death penalty.

"Trying to score political points on a tragedy where a little girl was killed is just obscene and beneath us."

Unfortunately, the AlphaLiberals and the somefellers and the Andrew Sullivan's and the Daily Kos' and the Keith Olberman's will use this tragedy to advance their political aims. They were right out of the gate blaming this on Sarah Palin and on "right-wing teabaggers."

And if we leave them to do it they'll succeed. So we're going to call them out on it. We're not going to leave such comments unchallenged.

You're right. It's unseemly. But, sadly, if we leave the battlefield to the Democrats, then they'll use this tragedy to diminish all our rights.

Unfortunately, the AlphaLiberals and the somefellers and the Andrew Sullivan's and the Daily Kos' and the Keith Olberman's will use this tragedy to advance their political aims. They were right out of the gate blaming this on Sarah Palin and on "right-wing teabaggers."

Can you come up with a quote from me in which I came out blaming right-wingers for this, on either thread? You can't, because I didn't. Quite the contrary in my posts on this. So you are a liar, on top of everything else in your sad existence.

You can look at my other comments on this to see where I stand with respect to speculating on motive. But I suspect you already have, and discovered you came up short when you claimed I came out of the gate attacking conservatives on this. Whether you are a moby or something else, one thing's for sure, you're a pretty sad case.

JFK was killed by a far left activist and RFK by a a third world nationalist. Blame for their deaths was soon pinned on lax gun control laws. If this guy turns out to be a former Obama volunteer, expect the same.

And I see we can add Paul O'Bilge to the list of people with little reading comprehension skills who want to make a wretched point on this tragedy. Anyway, I'm going to get something to eat. Maybe you and Florida can work together to come up with something intelligent to say.

If the right lets it go, they get the blame. You know that's the way it works- he'll continue to be Sarah Palin's teabagging flying monkey, and anyone who dares speak up for limited government will be his supporter for years to come.

It ain't fair, but it's the way it is. The right has to push their side here.

A doctor on Fox who says he was there when it happened (and saw the man shoot the congresswoman) said that a) the shooting took place in a cramped area of the entrance to the grocery store and that's why so many people were shot - crowded and no place to run and he was just shooting into them, b) no one shot back at the guy, and c) the crowd ultimately tackled him.

This guy was truly evil. But I expect that in today's left wing cliques he was considered to be very normal. No one he knew was in a position to tell him that he was an insane idiot, because everybody he knew was spouting off the same delusional crap themselves. Atheism screws up a mind with a total arrogance that make one unable to empathise with another's feelings or to see different humans as belonging to the same God of love as himself.

In a MySpace profile, Loughner said “My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college. He lists among his favorite books “Mein Kampf” and “The Communist Manifesto”.

Another typical lefty murderer nutjob.

Where is AlphaLiberal to condemn his violence?

Oh wait ... he's not from Sarah Palin's uterus after all so AlphaLiberal is suddenly nowhere to be found.

Quiet about the communist killers amongst us.

Where is your outrage for Communist murders of 9-year-old little innocent girls, AlphaLiberal?

"As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy."

Plus Nazi and communist lit. Ever heard of a blog called The Macho Response? There's this crazy black dude there - and I mean "crazy" - and he keeps going on and on about the NewAge Movement, you know, that 2012 shit and Nazi thinking and shit, and how, one way or another, by whatever means, it all adds up to killing people.

"In October 2007, Loughner was cited by the Pima County Sheriff's Department for possession of drug paraphernalia, a charge that was dismissed in November 2007 when he completed a diversion program."

This is what happens when drug criminals such as Loughner and Andrew Sullivan are not made to pay for their drug crimes.

Now a 9-year-old girl is dead and Sarah Palin is to blame if you believe the drug criminal Sullivan.

If our drug laws had been administered properly and Loughner put into prison where he belongs, none of these people would be dead.

Police, prosecutors and the courts had an opportunity to get this man into an environment where he could be freed of his drug addiction and rehabilitated - perhaps he could have even gotten mental health treatment. Instead they let him loose on society where he killed a federal judge, not to mention a bunch of innocent people.

Just had my snack. And I see that Florida still hasn't come up with a quote from me blaming this crime on conservatives or Sarah Palin. Just a quote from me pointing out the obvious, which he/she/it reposted @6:06pm. As those crazy kids say on the internets these days, and as Florida has heard many times in he/she/its life: fail.

In any case, let's let the cops do their jobs before making any more snap judgments regarding motive. And if you are a believer, say a prayer or two for the families involved in this.

Conservatives4: You must be right because only a leftie would be smart enough to know in 2007 when he went off the rails that the tea party would be coming around in 2009. Sort of a pre hoc ergo propter hoc kind of thing.

No, Ritmo, why would you say that? You do know that the White House had a Mao Ornament on their tree in '09, that a White House spokesperson cited Mao as one of her fav philosophers, and that leftists all over treasure their Moa t-shirts, right? An informed and intelligent fellow like you couldn't have missed that sort of thing, could he?

"A former classmate of Loughner at Pima Community College said he was “obviously very disturbed.”

“He disrupted class frequently with nonsensical outbursts,” said Lynda Sorenson, who took a math class with Loughner last summer at Pima Community College’s Northwest campus.

Sorenson doesn’t recall if he ever made any threats or uttered political statements but he was very disruptive, she said. He was asked to leave the pre-algebra class several times and eventually was barred from class, said Sorenson, a Tucson resident"

This is the type of person for whom the term "bat-shit crazy" was invented.

He wasn't a conservative and he wasn't a liberal, or if he was one of them that doesn't seem to be the primary motivation for his action.

So will all the people attempting to score imaginary political points please shut the hell up.

One can accurately say that he was a leftist who happens to be nutty enough to shoot a politician.

But if politics was the motivator, it can also be called an assasination.

You cannot discount it until it is ruled out.

There have been plenty of leftwing rants and screeds about the lawlessness of the Bush administration and accusations of Ws shredding of the Constitution by prominate liberals and politicians and not just the internet nutjobs.

So, when it is obviously a leftwinger pulling the trigger, suddenly we are to NOT link the perpetrators radical politics to his shooting of a politician?

And why is every diplomatic or intellectual exercise an opportunity to moralize? Wouldn't someone secure in their morals and how they are justified and carried out not feel the need to obsessively moralize over every act in life? Is every act a moral act? Does my interest in eating a cup of yogurt tonight have moral import? What if it were macaroni and cheese?

Because AlphaLiberal is nowhere to be found. GarageMahal isn't commenting. Somefeller dropped some scat and then disappeared to go eat rather than condemn the communists.

In short, if the shooter had been a member of the Repulican Party, or worse, the Tea Party, or had been anywhere near Sarah Palin's uterus, all these employees of the Democrat Party would be out in force on this comment board.

The only time they go silent is when another one of their own commits some heinous crime against humanity.

Here's also how we know the shooter was a liberal: The Congresswoman was a conservative Republican.

According to MSNBC, although she had switched to the Democrat Party, she had been a lifelong Republican businesswoman who supported Arizona's immigration law. In fact, she didn't think it went far enough.

MSNBC:"She hasn't been shy in expressing her disappointment in the U.S. immigration system, which she's described as "broken." After her own state passed a tough anti-immigration law last year, Giffords criticized the measure as too weak to secure the border or stop drug smuggling."

"Giffords established herself as a fiscally conservative, pro-business centrist."

"She is a member of the "Blue Dog" coalition of Democrats who push for conservative budget and tax policies and has served on the House's Armed Services, Foreign Affairs and Science and Technology committees. She's also a vocal supporter of the military and military families."

Is it any wonder that a communist Democrat - urged on by his President to "get in their faces" and "punish your enemies" - tried to kill her?

Injuries, Trooper--on both sides of the ball--plus the tougher schedule that always goes with winning under the NFL's formula. N.O just couldn't over come that. Plus everyone had a year to game plan them. The Saints couldn't sneak up on anyone, to say the least--plus the very real fact the adrenal glands pump harder on opposing teams when playing defending champs. All those reasons combined make/made for a tough row to hoe..

The Left will use its time tested strategy. They will lie like hell. they will continue to lie like hell. They will trot out the simple mided minions to rabidly lie like hell. The Leftist media will provide cover, keep the stories telling the liea active and stretch the story til people are weary of all the childish leftist tantrume. Then, when the truth does come out they will admit that maybe the lie were not completely accurate - on page 37 below the fold.

Of course,during the nest election cycle the lying garbage will continually refer to the phoney lying media stories as proof of how evil conservatives are.

"The Army has confirmed that the suspect was never in the Army. He attempted to enlist in the Army but was rejected for service. In accordance with the Privacy Act, we will not discuss why he was rejected."

He must, at some point, have heard Barack Obama tell his supporters to punish their enemies. To "get in their faces" and to "punch back twice as hard."

He must, at some point, have heard Barack Obama tell his supporters that "if they bring a knife, we bring a gun."

The killer was a liberal. His favorite books included Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto and he killed a politician MSNBC described as a former conservative Republican opposed to illegal immigration and who voted against Nancy Pelosi.

Is there any doubt that Air America and Keith Olberman are to blame for airing their hateful eliminationist rhetoric?

"So let's stop the stupid literalizing of the political when it serves some warped purpose of yours."

But see, that's just the thing. Democrats won't ever agree to such a rule.

If Republicans or conservatives leave the field of battle, then Democrats like somefeller and AlphaLiberal and Sullivan and Olberman would be able to characterize this as an attack by Palin supporters on a Democrat.

Instead, it's a communist attack on a Conservative supportive of the military and who voted against Pelosi.

Republicans can't leave the battlefield.

Because Democrats would then be able to get away with what they've been getting away with for 100 years ... owning all the presses and writing the history their way.

I refuse to let them have this field, and so any time they pop their fucking heads up we have to rise up and smite them.

Refusing to battle leaves the field of glory - and history - to the enemy.

It appears that this young murderer had an older accomplice which the police are searching for as we rant on here. I suspect that many of the discussions of whether this was left or right or middle of the road violence may be settled then. Or not.

The point about this dude's mental processes is that they lacked the usual line that identifies him as a Right winger or a Left winger. This goes to show you that there are some evil folks that are taken over by the dark side and don't bother to hide it, but cooperate with it. Christians speak about their knowing the mind of Christ. This dude seems very proud that he knew the mind of Satan, who is the personal evil one. All his mind control mantras are the assertions of the powers of the evil one. So he is really around the bend from politics and is another Son of Sam - Charles Manson murder tool. Ask Crack who studies these things.

One of my earliest thoughts on this story was "Could the judge have been the intended target?" Still don't think we can say for sure. Per my comment on the previous thread, I'm thinking it's safe to go with Hinckley as opposed to Princip.

"The point about this dude's mental processes is that they lacked the usual line that identifies him as a Right winger or a Left winger."

I disagree. I think the point about this dude's mental process is is that he was encouraged by his President to bring a gun to the fight, and to get in their faces and to punch back twice as hard. He's taking orders. That's his process.

That, plus The Communist Manifesto being on his "favorite book" list clearly identifies him as a committed Democrat doing his President's bidding.

His victim was a lifelong conservative Republican (only recently switched to the Dems) who voted against Pelosi ... and judging by the ravings of Andrew Sullivan and Markos Moulitsas, those are capital crimes in Democrats eyes.

So, we're going to play the blame game started by AlphaLiberal. We didn't start the game. But we're going to fucking finish it.

We're going to identify this man's warped fucking politics. And we're going to put the blame where it rightly belongs.

Murder - that's how i discovered it, and that's where it leads. Like TG said, speaking in Christian vernacular, it's the dark side, Satan, manifested. Anything we've defined as "good" is corny and/or questionable, and anything defined as "bad" is "sophisticated". That's the scam - brought over from Europe by the Pagans - that's evolved into what we know as NewAge.

America evolved from the Puritans, and we - atheists included - should be proud of that:

Somefeller, your bias was exposed when you said he set out to kill liberals. He shot the congresswoman because he lived in her district and the Safeway was close to his home. Your anger at Florida is and another fact that proves your prejudice.

Thanks! This morning I got in my spiffy new car, plugged my iPod into the Microsoft SYNC™ and said "Shuffle ON", took the long way to work so I could enjoy the tunes in comfort, and was still a 1/2 hour early - first one through the door except for my supervisor - and, man, was he pleased to see me back! (He asked me to talk to the kids about what it means to have a work ethic.) Today's a 12 hour day, but I don't mind at all:

I "love" to work when I'm allowed to - I just wish it was in music.

Oh yea - I got a call today from one of George Clinton's sound men, just checking up on me. That was cool. He said, when I'm ready, he'll gladly record my new shit.