Mass shootings and the blind spot of society

The fact is that someone intent on doing harm to others will always find a way. You cannot punish someone (gun owners) for the crimes of another nor
can you punish someone when they have not committed a crime.

So far it looks like extremists and SEVERELY mentally ill folks doing these crimes, although you could argue these are often the same thing.

If there are crazy people out there, not because of education, propaganda, religion and so on, then the why does not matter and the how does, as a
crazy one can harm more with a nuke than with a bomb, and more with an ak with 1k rounds than a knife, so limiting the access to weapons that have
higher potential to do more damage is the only thing a government could do. If they are just crazy what else could be done, put them all out (jail,
island, nazi way)? That is not possible

So far it looks like extremists and SEVERELY mentally ill folks doing these crimes, although you could argue these are often the same thing.

I agree, but isn't the question WHY are there so many, mentally ill extremist killing innocent people. Is is natures way of thinning the herd,
mystical intervention, overpopulation, toxic pollution, poverty, tribal racism, etc? or all of the above.

How can the MSM, politicians, academics even address such a complex problem.

If there are crazy people out there, not because of education, propaganda, religion and so on, then the why does not matter and the how does, as a
crazy one can harm more with a nuke than with a bomb, and more with an ak with 1k rounds than a knife, so limiting the access to weapons that have
higher potential to do more damage is the only thing a government could do. If they are just crazy what else could be done, put them all out (jail,
island, nazi way)? That is not possible

So where does it end? I do see what you are saying though if guns ceased to exist then it would be baseball bats. Even without nukes and guns there
are still a host of ways to mass kill. A simple query into history before guns and nukes will show you that man will find a way to kill another. So
where does it end? Until the "why" gets solved, which it won't any time soon, the "how" is just window dressing for the "why".

Thanks for all the replies. I can't even begin to surmise what the solutions are for WHY people do what they do. We've been doing it to each other
since we learned to walk on 2 legs. It's human nature to be cruel, apparently.

What I can say with certainty is that just limiting HOW we do what we do to each other will not stop WHAT we do to each other.

The "Why" almost seems too crazy. A decent Muslim guy with no real issues goes to Saudi Arabia gets a bride and something happens. Did he corrupt her
or her him? Hearing close relatives that are extremely shocked, I'm thinking he got himself an extremest that was most likely planned out for her to
marry some American. I just do not understand how a person goes from just a norm American to a killer of innocent people knowing the end is death for
him too. That is the truly weird part.

I have no issues with guns, the fbi has determined all 4 firearms in SB were bought legally, have not heard the answer on the CO PP shooter. I want
guns out of the hands of the insane and irresponsible. I am not sure what the answer is, but to keep guns out of the hands of the Adam Lanza, or
James Holmes, and that dude in the SC church would go along way to making me feel better.

One way might be to find a way to control the insane, but we can't do that because while everyone assigns near mythical status to the NRA (like the
Kochs), the lobby that protects mentally ill is just as, if not more, powerful, and they lobby equally hard against any attempt to define the mentally
ill and take measures that might protect us and them.

Pundits, politicians, regular people are focusing on the HOW. Not the WHY.

They are focusing on HOW people have killed others. They talk of banning guns, more control of guns, regulating guns.

What they are ignoring is WHY people are doing it in the first place.

I figure, if you solve the WHY (they are doing it) then the HOW becomes meaningless. We need to discover the WHY. We need to solve the WHY.

If we only focus on the HOW then things like this will continue.

WHY did the couple kill those people in California? WHY did that man kill those people in Colorado? We need to solve the WHY.

When I see people focusing on the HOW, then I almost have to assume that they simply want guns banned for reasons other than protecting the public.
When I see politicians focusing on the HOW, I see them as short-sighted people who just want more control over the rest of us.

It's like solving the drug problem by banning needles from everywhere, even hospitals. It doesn't address the WHY, it only focuses on the HOW.

Anyways, just thought I bring this up because I really don't see the media or our "leaders" doing it.

Thanks for reading.

What you point out is correct. The reason there is no discussion about why, is because as a prominent person in the US, cant think of his name, said
that you control debate by setting the parameters and then let robust discussion take place within those boundaries. This creates the illusion of open
debate.

Since I read that and I am aware of it, its quite easy to see it when I watch or listen to talk shows on TV. This is how the controllers determine
what the masses think about anything is whatever they want them to think.

Funny how once we are aware of something its easy to identify it when we see it.

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