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It's a new week, so that means new Naruto spoilers...which are now released.

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-Kakashi reveals the truth of Tobi's power. Kirabi wonders if the eyes simply have similar powers, but Kakashi reveals that they are the same power.

-Tobi says he got the eye from a war torn region where a small team destroyed a major bridge...(nothing is said about Tobi's identity, only the eye).

-Tobi questions Naruto's convictions. Naruto begins to waver, but Kyuubi takes over and tells Tobi that they will defeat Tobi together.

Masked man: It should've already been said! Simply put! You who are capable of nothing more than unfulfilled promises no longer has any worth or value! Even if you have regrets, it is too late! Reality will continue to callously march forward! You who have always been pragmatic and practical should understand. No promises or hopes will ever come true in this world! And that is precisely why this world must go to sleep underneath the eye of the Infinite Tsukyumoni. It will create a world where heroes will no longer have to make excuses in front of the tomb of dead heroes.

This is insane, Tobi knows not only about the stuff that happened at the bridge but also about the tomb of heroes in konoha and Kakashi going there. How the hell does he know about all this. It can't be that Zetsu was recording all this, he can't be at all locations, even unimportant ones, like tombstones. Or he followed Kakashi because he wanted the eye, but then he could have taken it when Kakashi was sleeping or something like that. Or maybe Zetsu when he eats the corpse he can extract all memories from it, and he ate Obito's corpse, but that doesn't explain the tomb part. Or maybe when Kakashi was at the tomb there was also someone else there, another Uchiha or Rin, and later Zetsu ate them too. But i think it's more probable that it was not Zetsu, instead of that Tobi learned whatever he wanted from the same source that Sasuke wants to learn from. That source might be something that could somehow record everything that happened in the world with some magic. Or the 3rd possibility i can think of is that Tobi is really made of multiple souls, and he can absorb more, and he absorbed Obito's soul too, and then he had to absorb the soul of someone who was with Kakashi at the tomb stone.

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Originally Posted by Alchemist007

I wouldn't be surprised if he was zombified by Zetsu.

TObi learned the Edo Tensei, he can summon Obito to fight Kakashi if he wants to. He has the eye, so he has Obito's DNA, and he can find a corpse for the jutsu easily.

I actually like the idea of Tobi being made up of multiple souls and their memories. Starting with Izuna Uchiha. It would make him the by-product of the hatred the ninja system creates. I could see Kishimoto making Tobi the living indictment of the ninja system. It fits with Tobi's goals. Not to kill people in revenge. But to put them under an eternal genjustu because the world failed its potential with the ninja system. It would mean the only way to truly defeat him would be to show that things will change with Naruto and his generation.

And Tobi would be what Sasuke would turn into eventually if things do not change and Naruto does not save him.

^Pain was already a "living indictment of the ninja system" (well, not so much on the living, but definitely the indictment...). And Orochimaru was already a container filled with multiple souls (since he seems to keep the souls of the bodies he posses), not to mention the Shinigami being a container of souls as well.

Not to say that Kishimoto won't simply recycle his ideas once again, but they are still recycled ideas...

I actually like the idea of Tobi being made up of multiple souls and their memories. Starting with Izuna Uchiha. It would make him the by-product of the hatred the ninja system creates. I could see Kishimoto making Tobi the living indictment of the ninja system. It fits with Tobi's goals. Not to kill people in revenge. But to put them under an eternal genjustu because the world failed its potential with the ninja system. It would mean the only way to truly defeat him would be to show that things will change with Naruto and his generation.

And Tobi would be what Sasuke would turn into eventually if things do not change and Naruto does not save him.

Has the reason for this been fully explained yet? I don't remember if it has or not.

Whether Tobi can or can not see through Kakashi's Sharingan, Kishimoto has already explained that Kakashi hides his Sharingan since he can not deactivate the eye. Consequently, he can run out of chakra simply by revealing his eye.

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Originally Posted by defrule

So if Kakashi trains enough he can also be intangible and teleport almost anywhere very quickly?

I guess so. Sucks for Kakashi though since it took him 15 years to do something Tobi could do within a year or so of getting the eye (yet further proof that actual genius matters little when it comes to bloodlines)...

Whether Tobi can or can not see through Kakashi's Sharingan, Kishimoto has already explained that Kakashi hides his Sharingan since he can not deactivate the eye. Consequently, he can run out of chakra simply by revealing his eye.

Thanks. I was thinking maybe it was chakra related based on the Zabuza vs kakashi episode in original Naruto but wasn't sure.

So Kakashi can't deactivate the eye but Tobi can. I come to conclusion that either you must be original owner to deactivate or at least be an Uchia.

And Since Tobi has power over his Obito eye, it could mean that he is Obito ( the original owner).

I don't remember when Tobi used his second eye against Konan, if his eye was already activated or not. But if it was already activated under the mask maybe another reason he uses the mask ( beside hiding his identity) is to not run out of chakra the same way as kakashi?

Thanks. I was thinking maybe it was chakra related based on the Zabuza vs kakashi episode in original Naruto but wasn't sure.

So Kakashi can't deactivate the eye but Tobi can. I come to conclusion that either you must be original owner to deactivate or at least be an Uchia.

And Since Tobi has power over his Obito eye, it could mean that he is Obito ( the original owner).

I don't remember when Tobi used his second eye against Konan, if his eye was already activated or not. But if it was already activated under the mask maybe another reason he uses the mask ( beside hiding his identity) is to not run out of chakra the same way as kakashi?

So wouldn't all this lead strongly toward Obito as Tobi's identity?

What do you guys think .

kakashi is not uchiha who have strong chakra and the fact natural talent of uchiha thats able to control sharigan 100%, i also believe tobi is related to obito to be able to use the ems, as its stated that only ms/ems can be done between siblings, but that being said it dont make sense how kakashi got ms :S kishi is amazing

I like some of the other Theories here too, but i thought i would add a few more,

Since Tobi's eye and Kakashi's eye are the same, and if we assume Tobi is Obito then maybe Tobi can see through Kakashi's Sharingan as well.

Kakashi is always hiding his Sharingan ( unless in battle). Has the reason for this been fully explained yet? I don't remember if it has or not.

And if that is not the case, maybe Tobi has mastered his eye to a level in which he can see through Kakashi's eyes .

Kakashi hiding his Sharingan was explained awhile back. Kakashi isn't part of the Uchia clan even though he can use the eye proficiently. The eye would constantly drain his chakra if he didn't hide it. I'm pretty sure thats not how sharingan works.

Tobi is proficient enough with his Sharingan that people actually believed he was Madara. I mean even Itachi believed him didn't he expect he mentioned that he wasn't as strong as during his prime? Tobi has accumulated knowledge of ninja history. Meaning he must be pretty old. Hes met with Madara before Madara died. Tobi is probably missing the other half of his body since he can "grow" back parts of his body. Its possible that he extracted obito's eye like he extracted the rinnegan from nagato. Plus tobi had two pairs of sharigan while obito gave one away to kakashi. The only problem we end up is why does he know about what kakashi said. And why would he be using Obito's eye if he isn't Obito? Whats so special about Obito?

Kakkashi: ..... I'm done, you guys finish up here i'm goin home. I mean come on man how the hell did that just happen!?

That would be a wtf moment bro ^^ @ XxSleepyXx, maybe obito's eye is special like Shisui's eye and it's just obito didn't developed or because he died quickly that's why he didn't unleashed the full power of his sharingan. But who knows, there are still many mysteries about this Tobi.