58 Counties, 58 DAs... and the list of where they fall in the Off List situation:

Disclaimer: Do not take this list literally. Just because one county may have seen cases and dropped them, or another appear to have Off-List informed LEO/SO does not mean that one cannot be arrested and face prosecution.

I had a one hour sit down with my sheriff last year and had planned on giving him a one year update as the the locks, stocks and grips have changed since our last meeting. I will try and set another meeting in the coming weeks when my schedule changes again.

I will let you know what county it is after I get clearance with this years update (NOR-CAL).

OLL Acceptance/Participation by LE (not representative of DA opinion)[/B][/U]
This does not mean you are safe in these counties.
[/indent]San Diego County - SO involved in personal buildsTuolumne County - Individual officers with builds

I never mentioned this, and I don't know if it will help on this thread (mods-remove it or "edit" as you see fit), but regarding Sacramento County: When I went to my OLL FFL to order 2 Stag-15's, I was behind a 30-yr. Veteran Sac County Sheriff (didn't get his rank) picking 3 Stags up for his personal Kali builds. He, at the time, seemed torn between doing the fixed mag thing, or the featureless way.(there was a U-15 sitting on a desk for another customer, and the LEO seemed very interested in it, he said, if he decided to go that route). Hope this helps a bit!
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Xeno - there are quite a few LEO in Stanislaus county that own one or more OLL's, so I think Stanislaus would fall under "still fighting" and "participation by LE."

This just goes to reinforce your point that LE participation does not necessarily mean approved by DA.

Well, right now LE participation means nothing. OLL have been seized, and charges are pending. If charges get dropped, then that'll move it up another notch.

I have the top two categories there on purpose. Charges dropped reflects counties that have tried and have mostly given up. Charges filed are where there are currently cases open, and it's obvious the DA is going to try to prosecute. All of the other categories are informal.

I would not go as far as to call San Joaquin County 100% safe. When that article first came out I read it to mean that they were ok with stripped receivers and asked a friend of mine who is a deputy about it. He told me that his supervisor told him that this was referring to stripped receivers. You have to take this with a grain of salt, but still think it is slightly uncertain.

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Well months have passed and all I can say is that the SB county Victorville DA did not pursue AW charges I cannot say the local PD are friendly as I never got my rifle back. I paid $500.00 to the court $2,500.00 in Attorneys fees for my 12031 (a) (1) charge and lost my firearms (2 of them) but not my right to own firearms nor where any AW charges ever filed against me.

I ended up getting charged for carry loaded firearm in public place PC M12031(A)(1) which I did have and is the reason why I never asked for help either.
I could have probably gotten my rifle back if I kept fighting and pouring money and time in but at this point my time with family and career is more valueble than a rifle (I did get another as another member suggested and it shoots great) A very expensive lesson was learned by me never shoot anywhere you are unfamiliar with or unlawfull in any way shape or form.

I admire and wish the best too all those who have the courage and means to fight the good fight.

My father in law is the sheriff of Lake County. He knows I have OLL and knows they are legal. I take them to his house when ever my wife and I go up there to visit. So that county is good to go as far as OLL are concerned. He loves my AK builds too

Well months have passed and all I can say is that the SB county Victorville DA did not pursue AW charges I cannot say the local PD are friendly as I never got my rifle back. I paid $500.00 to the court $2,500.00 in Attorneys fees for my 12031 (a) (1) charge and lost my firearms (2 of them) but not my right to own firearms nor where any AW charges ever filed against me.

I ended up getting charged for carry loaded firearm in public place PC M12031(A)(1) which I did have and is the reason why I never asked for help either.
I could have probably gotten my rifle back if I kept fighting and pouring money and time in but at this point my time with family and career is more valueble than a rifle (I did get another as another member suggested and it shoots great) A very expensive lesson was learned by me never shoot anywhere you are unfamiliar with or unlawfull in any way shape or form.

I admire and wish the best too all those who have the courage and means to fight the good fight.

Hey gonzo,
Glad every thing worked out for you except for those fees, but at least you weren't charged with a more serious offense. Keep shooting bud.

My father in law is the sheriff of Lake County. He knows I have OLL and knows they are legal. I take them to his house when ever my wife and I go up there to visit. So that county is good to go as far as OLL are concerned. He loves my AK builds too

I have a hard time believing LEO's would be building OLL guns. All they have to do is go and get a letter from their dept and they can just buy the real deal with dealing with any of the OLL stupidity.

I have a hard time believing LEO's would be building OLL guns. All they have to do is go and get a letter from their dept and they can just buy the real deal with dealing with any of the OLL stupidity.

I have a hard time believing LEO's would be building OLL guns. All they have to do is go and get a letter from their dept and they can just buy the real deal with dealing with any of the OLL stupidity.

I thought that I just read somplace where they were changing the law so that LEO could purchase AW W/O letter from chief.

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I have a hard time believing LEO's would be building OLL guns. All they have to do is go and get a letter from their dept and they can just buy the real deal with dealing with any of the OLL stupidity.

Yea.. and all you have to do is get a permit from the DOJ and you could buy the real deal.. easier said than done

Apparently some depts arent so willing to allow their officers to buy the "real deal" .. I was at a police store the other day and the clerk mentioned how the SD Sherriff Dept wouldnt let their deputies buy ARs, but SDPD will give their officers permissions to get them.

The other day I had a Chico "Butte county" LEO pick up 4 STAG stripped lower receivers. I found out he was a LEO as I was going over the AR/AK Memo from Bill wiese http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf with him when he showed me his badge. I still went over the information and gave him a copy in case he would leave the force and forget what is an assault weapon. I did ask him why he didn't go thru his department and apparently these were for his personal use. Looks like butte county may be OLL freindly. Does anyone know the significance of an FOP star on the drivers licence is for? This was on someones license from Redwood city?

Does anyone know the significance of an FOP star on the drivers licence is for? This was on someones license from Redwood city?

Probably hoping to get out of a ticket, same as all the license plate frames like KMA4996 or whatever (police dept radio call sign).
Maybe a family member is on the job or it's a groupie or something.

I friend of mine used to be a Lt on my city's force. He asked me once if I kept his business card with my CDL. I asked, rather naively; "Why would I do that?"
And then it sunk in. I asked what about all the victims/perps etc who end up with his card. He said he wouldn't vouch for them; but he would for me!

A niegbor of mine, retired leo, talked with a couple people the other day.
First he talked with the DA for monterey county, and confirmed with him the legality of off list as well as bullet buttons.
Then he talked with a Santa Cruz pd officer, who was clueless on the whole issue.

anyone in Shasta county have any clue on the situation up here? Also, where can i get some nice looking pamphlets to take to a sit down with the Sheriff Dept? I have nothing better to do than to pursue this and an issue with the CCW issuance policy here in Shasta County.

Thanks.

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Shasta county....
Don't know for sure.
I know I've purchased several from Old West over the past 2 years...
I don't knw if its been an issue for anyone there yet.
We ARE talking about one of the easiest counties in the state to get a CCW in so I imagine that they might be receptive to any information you might have.

A niegbor of mine, retired leo, talked with a couple people the other day.
First he talked with the DA for monterey county, and confirmed with him the legality of off list as well as bullet buttons.
Then he talked with a Santa Cruz pd officer, who was clueless on the whole issue.

Let me reconfirm. The Monterey County DA is OK with both OLLs and bullet buttons?

Let me reconfirm. The Monterey County DA is OK with both OLLs and bullet buttons?

This is second hand info to me; but I have no reason to dought the source. A retired leo; I explained to him the whole oll situation a couple months back. Since then he has shown alot of interest in the subject and began investigating it on his own. I've refered him to several threads and links within this sight in hopes of getting him to register, but he calls his computer something like the digital devel, lol.

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This is second hand info to me; but I have no reason to dought the source. A retired leo; I explained to him the whole oll situation a couple months back. Since then he has shown alot of interest in the subject and began investigating it on his own. I've refered him to several threads and links within this sight in hopes of getting him to register, but he calls his computer something like the digital devel, lol.

Sounds like we need to send the DA some Info on the subject and wait for response on it,if any

A niegbor of mine, retired leo, talked with a couple people the other day.
First he talked with the DA for monterey county, and confirmed with him the legality of off list as well as bullet buttons.
Then he talked with a Santa Cruz pd officer, who was clueless on the whole issue.

Nice i feel better about going to laguna seca i am interested in any news for santa cruz county if you here anything else.......i want to Know!