RE: WordPerfect 12

From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:25:09 -0500

We've not had much experience trying to do that; but, when we have it
has worked equally poorly. That is, very simple documents will convert
ok, but as you begin using the complex features things begin to convert
less well.
If it's just being able to read the text, that often comes across ok,
it's the formatting that usually fails first. And of course, there's a
free Word viewer, which you can use to just copy and paste the text from
the Word viewer into a WP document.
Going through RTF as an intermediary format will sometimes work best
when you need to preserve the formatting, but it too can fail on the
most unusual advanced features (the ones which just aren't present in
all word processors).
Chip
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
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> Chip, How does word to wp work? You meantioned that you have=20
> worked on transforming from wp to word.
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> Johnnie Apple Seed
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:27 PM
> Subject: RE: WordPerfect 12
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> Yes, we've found it immensely frustrating in our conversion from
> WordPerfect to Word. Some things Word really does do much better, and
> some it's a real bear to be able to do something you're used to doing
> easily in WP.
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> Once you've done complex documents in both however, you'll see how
> different their basic approach is to structuring a document. Once you
> understand that, you start to grasp why none of the=20
> conversion utilities
> do a good job. It's like those computer programs that try to=20
> translate
> from one language to another; you'd think at first that would be a
> reasonable enough task to program for, but, no one has come up with
> anything except mediocre translators. When one thing is just too
> different from another, transforming it from one form to another just
> isn't as easy as people really want it to be.
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> We've actually decided to keep WP around to access our library of
> perhaps 100,000 wp documents; however, we're creating all our new
> documents in Word.
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> This is pretty hard on our users who need to use something out of the
> archives to help them create a new document, especially if their an
> attorney or a CPA or whatever, but not an administrative assistant.
> We've had a *lot* of experience in trying various techniques in moving
> data from WP into Word, including buying a third party conversion
> package rated the best of its kind, but it just sometimes=20
> doesn't work,
> and we're forced to tell the person that we can get some of the text
> itself, but all the complex formatting will just have to be redone.
> Sometimes that formatting carries as much of the information in the
> document as the text itself (for instance, we have legal=20
> documents with
> passages purposely struck out but left in place to show what was
> deleted, while others are underlined to show that they were added).
> Word treats strikethrough in a very funny way which causes it not to
> copy the strikethrough attribute when you're cutting and pasting text,
> so you may end up with the text of your document, but no=20
> record of what
> was officially deleted from the bill or the law or the contract.
> Without careful proofing, this makes the conversion process=20
> almost worse
> than useless when this kind of thing happens as the actual meaning of
> the document is changed, without the end user necessarily even knowing
> about it.
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> Well, guess I'll stop whining and get back to work.
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> Chip
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:39 PM
> > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
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> > Chip,
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> > The thing that frustrates me about all this is that when you=3D20
> > get right down to it, it's document processing and most apps=3D20
> > have most if not all feaures.=3D20
> > It should not matter what app you use as it should not matter=3D20
> > what browser you use, but it does because these people=3D20
> > foolishly think that if they make it hard or impossible to=3D20
> > use another app they'll get a corner on the market.=3D20
> > In fact, what has happened is that we have a fragmented=3D20
> > market and everyone looses. There are good reasons why a=3D20
> > shop might want to use one thing or another and not to be=3D20
> > foreced to due to a lack of capability to import or export=3D20
> > files or to render web pages seamlessly. I do think though=3D20
> > that from some things I have seen, you can do a lot with=3D20
> > saving word docs so that they can be displayed in other word=3D20
> > processors and some of it can even be done through some=3D20
> > applications found within office. The sad thing is though=3D20
> > that if you want to work on those documents and have them=3D20
> > usable in office, you have to use office to do it.
> >=3D20
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >=3D20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: WordPerfect 12
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> >=3D20
> > I'm sorry, what does this mean?
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> > I think you're saying that MS could work harder on making their
> > documents easier to translate into different formats? No doubt they
> > could, and no doubt they could do a better job, but how do=20
> you handle
> > the situations where one Word Processor uses features which=3D20
> > just aren't
> > available in another? There are examples of both to be=20
> found between
> > Word and WordPerfect, and that means that some documents just aren't
> > going to convert properly.
> >=3D20
> > Chip
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> > =3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20
> > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:37 PM
> > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
> > >=3D3D20
> > > I recommend microsoft get to standard.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Johnnie Apple Seed
> > >=3D3D20
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: WordPerfect 12
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> > >=3D3D20
> > > Actually, that's not true at all. We have many documents=3D20
> > which cannot
> > > be transferred successfully from Word Perfect (our former word
> > > processor) to Word. The trouble comes with complex =
features,=3D3D20
> > > especially
> > > if Word does not have the equivalent (delay codes is just =
one=3D3D20
> > > example).
> > >=3D3D20
> > > For very simple documents this does often work, but then so=3D20
> > does just
> > > cutting and pasting.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > If you never get documents from others, nor have to give them to
> > > others, and it's free, then sure, go ahead and keep using =
WP=3D3D20
> > > 12 as jaws
> > > 6 says they support it. But if you don't meet these=3D3D20
> > > conditions, there's
> > > no question that I'd recommend you acquire and learn to use =
a=3D3D20
> > > copy of MS
> > > Word.
> > >=3D3D20
> > > Chip
> > >=3D3D20
> > > =3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20
> > > > [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of david poehlman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:24 PM
> > > > To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > If you compose a word perfect document, you can save it as =3D
> a=3D3D3D20
> > > > word file and it will open up on microslop just fine.
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > Johnnie Apple Seed
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve Gomes" <finnygomes@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > I love you more than Joseph does. and word perfect is for =3D
> the=3D3D3D20
> > > > birds. Didn't
> > > > you birds have computers and use word perfect 12? Jaws=3D3D3D20
> > > > doesn't support it
> > > > very well and I suggest you use Microsoft standard =3D
> addition.=3D3D3D20
> > > > Most people use
> > > > Microsoft word. The situation is when you try to send a=3D3D3D20
> > > > document to someone
> > > > over email. They can open it up but is will not have the =3D
> same=3D3D3D20
> > > > format and not
> > > > look right. Word perfect came on my new machine and=20
> this is=3D3D3D20
> > > > how I found out
> > > > these things. I got Microsoft office back on it and=3D3D3D20
> > > > everything is working
> > > > well
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > web site
> > > > www.rellek.com/stevegomes
> > > > phone 720-747-4990
> > > > ----- Original Message -----=3D3D3D20
> > > > From: "Joseph Machise" <josephmachise@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:16 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: WordPerfect 12
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > sorie I don't no anything about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your friend Joseph.
> > > > > with love always from Joseph.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----=3D3D3D20
> > > > > From: "Marijan Janev" <janevm@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:44 AM
> > > > > Subject: WordPerfect 12
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Friends,
> > > > >> Does anybody have any experience with WordPerfect 12 =3D
> using=3D3D3D20
> > > > JFW5 or 5.1?
> > > > >> I want to install it but I'm wandering if it is=20
> worth to=3D3D3D20
> > > > effort. With
> > > > >> Chip's help I use WP10 successfully but I'd like to=20
> try=3D3D3D20
> > > > the latest one
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> wish to know is there any significant improvement.
> > > > >> Any recommendation or opinion?
> > > > >> Thanks in advance!
> > > > >> Marijan
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