ThinKing wrote:Yea this Grim thing is getting out of hand. I know of at least one or two people who enjoy the dubstep and/or grime sound and have got very confused about some 'new genre' called Grim(m).

It's about 4 or 5 records on one label that are slightly derivative of the sublow sound. That's it. End of.

Yeah true. There're several people to blame for this:

Werk Discs (obviously)

Sam Atki2 and Dubway for using the term 'Grim' on their Ruffnek Discotek flyers.

ThinKing wrote:Yea this Grim thing is getting out of hand. I know of at least one or two people who enjoy the dubstep and/or grime sound and have got very confused about some 'new genre' called Grim(m).

It's about 4 or 5 records on one label that are slightly derivative of the sublow sound. That's it. End of.

Yeah true. There're several people to blame for this:

Werk Discs (obviously)

Sam Atki2 and Dubway for using the term 'Grim' on their Ruffnek Discotek flyers.

i think it's useful because there are lots of people post-Rephlex comps mixing electronica/breakcore/experimental ideas with grime and dubstep production ideas, that have few direct ties to either of the existing dubstep or grime communities. Grimm is useful to describe these new movements.

Blackdown wrote:i think it's useful because there are lots of people post-Rephlex comps mixing electronica/breakcore/experimental ideas with grime and dubstep production ideas, that have few direct ties to either of the existing dubstep or grime communities. Grimm is useful to describe these new movements.

Phew, someone who actually sees it the way I do. From my pseudo-journalistic viewpoint, Grim is indeed a useful term.

didn't Reynolds coin it? my advice is to stay away from coining genre names, artists only end up resenting you (i witnessed Ministry mag try to invent 'disco-hop' once on the basis of one Deadly Avenger 12". doh!).

Blackdown wrote:didn't Reynolds coin it? my advice is to stay away from coining genre names, artists only end up resenting you (i witnessed Ministry mag try to invent 'disco-hop' once on the basis of one Deadly Avenger 12". doh!).

Reynolds was first to use the term 'Grimm' a year so back, although he was actually referring to dubstep in general:

"Grimm, that&#146;s what I&#146;m going to call the darkdubstep/Croydon t'ing from now onwards. So you have Grime and its taciturn brother Grimm."