Bhruic wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 09:09:You can't seriously be trying to suggest that systemic prejudice is equal to isolated incidences.

Nope, I'm just responding to your post. This is about respect, not equality. Don't generalize for any demographic, regardless of status. As a white middle class male I feel that what you said is disrespectful. How can anyone meet in the middle if they don't show respect for an opposing party (or an opposing viewpoint, like on a message board)?

Right, we shouldn't try and make everyone equal, we should just accept that some people are going to be treated worse based on something they had no control over, and not make any attempt to rectify the situation.

Those are your words, not mine. I put 'make' in quotes because I'm referring to the attitude that you can 'make' people have a specific belief or opinion on something. Forceful and loud social agendas rarely do anything to change someones mind. People need to put time into standing up for their rights when they've been infringed upon. That is much more productive.

Rectifying the situation would be putting one's time and energy into expanding upon existing rights and opportunities. The only one I'm aware of that is unequal is same sex marriage. Someone, please educate me on the benefits to same sex marriage. The only thing I could come up with is tax benefits. Is that really all it's about, or is there more to it than I'm aware of?

What other rights are there that gays do not have?

By all means, point out the "wrong" that the minority is committing by trying to have their GaymerCon.

I never said there is anything wrong with GaymerCon. Again, I was responding to your generalizations, which were in response to discussions that strayed off topic. Feel free to keep it on topic.

I encourage others to exercise their right to free speech and right to assemble. I would hope that a convention like this would allow others to develop a support system that encourages people to stand up for their rights in a situation where they've been infringed upon. I'm glad that homosexual gamers can find a place to play games with others without being called gay in a derogatory context (heck, I'm straight and I can't stand it when people use that kind of language in games).

I just hope that people don't think that something like this will influence a political or social agenda for the better, or they will be disappointed. If you keep advertising that you are different and deserve recognition, you too have drawn the very line that you are trying to erase.

Don't embrace whatever con, petition, law etc homosexuals are currently against? Well you're just a bigot hater, your opinion doesn't count. News flash sunshine, life is tough, if a few gay people who happen to be gamers, need their own convention to feel safe from the harsh use of the phrase that's gay or whatever, they either need thicker skin, or start wearing a helmet at all times.

I'm an actual Conservative, not a left wing liberal so thats moot and just an effort to dismiss people who disagree with you. Why is a gun convention ok but a gay convention is not? Why is it ok for for interest groups who represent religion to have public events but gay people cannot? Everyone advocating church is just a whiner who can't shut up and stop spouting their liberal agenda? I find it interesting how your idea of free speech only extends to groups you like.

Don't embrace whatever con, petition, law etc homosexuals are currently against? Well you're just a bigot hater, your opinion doesn't count. News flash sunshine, life is tough, if a few gay people who happen to be gamers, need their own convention to feel safe from the harsh use of the phrase that's gay or whatever, they either need thicker skin, or start wearing a helmet at all times.

I'm an actual Conservative, not a left wing liberal so thats moot and just an effort to dismiss people who disagree with you. Why is a gun convention ok but a gay convention is not? Why is it ok for for interest groups who represent religion to have public events but gay people cannot? Everyone advocating church is just a whiner who can't shut up and stop spouting their liberal agenda? I find it interesting how your idea of free speech only extends to groups you like.

The racism stuff is just so silly and out there, not even going to touch that.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

That you think this is trolling is mind numbing.

Now you're just trolling and confirming what I said.

I can definitely agree that your mind is numb. It is apparently illiterate too.

You say that, yet you're the one failing to see how agreeing with something is pretty much the same as saying it, and fails to see how saying all gay people need to move to some island is insulting, regardless of the reason you give for it.

RailGrandWizardoftheKKK. It's often hard to tell if you're parody or not. I think not, but you're so in denial of being a bigot and so in denial of how whiny you get whenever someone not exactly like you is proud of not being exactly like you.

And then you run around calling others illiterate trolls. It's so weird. Right back to you saying "I didn't say it, I just agreed with it," as if it's an important distinction.

Poor RollingThunder. The only people around here that tend to agree with him are you, who is insane, and Matasuto, who argued that Fascism is the combination of two entirely unrelated words. He's almost forced to agree with such losing arguments.

Actually the folks that tend to agree with me, aren't little PC liberal sheep, I'm quite fine with that. While folks like you like to revise history to suit your little social utopia, the rest of us live in reality.

Why does racism still exist, and in all honesty has seen a ressurgence? Liberals need to keep a voting base and we currently have a half black president. I think what's more disappointing is how the democratic party keeps hammering home how raciest one must be if they don't get all excited anytime a gay group does something like this, or how its their fault that there are poor black people on welfare. Remember personal responsibility is essentially the same as the word retard in a liberal's vocab these days. Dirty vile words. Esentially liberals in the last 4 years with Obama being president have set race relations back a good 40 years with their excessive use of the race card/bigot card anytime they're presented with something they don't have an argument for. Great job douchebags.

Don't embrace whatever con, petition, law etc homosexuals are currently against? Well you're just a bigot hater, your opinion doesn't count. News flash sunshine, life is tough, if a few gay people who happen to be gamers, need their own convention to feel safe from the harsh use of the phrase that's gay or whatever, they either need thicker skin, or start wearing a helmet at all times.

It'd be so much better just to be sheep and vote democrat, they'll take care of you! Welfare and socialism for everyone oh boy!!!

D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 08:56:Weak argument. You're assuming that the so-called majority here hasn't experienced intolerance from gays. I've experienced it myself and seen it dished out to others -- hatred, intolerance directed at those they assume hate and are intolerant of them -- instead of stopping to think that there is someone that actually does respect them despite differences.

You can't seriously be trying to suggest that systemic prejudice is equal to isolated incidences. Blacks were held in slavery for decades, but if a couple black guys kidnapped a white guy and forced him to do stuff for them, suddenly it's all even and blacks should accept being slaves?

This idea of equivalency between such disparate situations is just silly.

Trying to find a way to 'make' it equal goes nowhere, and just because someone is a minority doesn't give them the right to degrade a majority.

Right, we shouldn't try and make everyone equal, we should just accept that some people are going to be treated worse based on something they had no control over, and not make any attempt to rectify the situation.

Two wrongs don't make a right

By all means, point out the "wrong" that the minority is committing by trying to have their GaymerCon.

Bhruic wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 18:28:You've got one group of people who face prejudice on a regular basis, and you've got another group that doesn't.

Your "explicity straight" group wasn't being harrassed in the first place. What exactly is your group supposed to be for?

People already don't look down on your "straight white men" because of their sexual orientation. The idea that there's some sort of equivalence between the two groups is ludicrous.

Weak argument. You're assuming that the so-called majority here hasn't experienced intolerance from gays. I've experienced it myself and seen it dished out to others -- hatred, intolerance directed at those they assume hate and are intolerant of them -- instead of stopping to think that there is someone that actually does respect them despite differences.

Sure, the numbers aren't equal, but how do you put a number on behavior like this? Trying to find a way to 'make' it equal goes nowhere, and just because someone is a minority doesn't give them the right to degrade a majority. Two wrongs don't make a right -- don't assume the minority is always right, and don't assume the majority has never been wronged.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

That you think this is trolling is mind numbing.

Now you're just trolling and confirming what I said.

I can definitely agree that your mind is numb. It is apparently illiterate too.

You say that, yet you're the one failing to see how agreeing with something is pretty much the same as saying it, and fails to see how saying all gay people need to move to some island is insulting, regardless of the reason you give for it.

RailGrandWizardoftheKKK. It's often hard to tell if you're parody or not. I think not, but you're so in denial of being a bigot and so in denial of how whiny you get whenever someone not exactly like you is proud of not being exactly like you.

And then you run around calling others illiterate trolls. It's so weird. Right back to you saying "I didn't say it, I just agreed with it," as if it's an important distinction.

Poor RollingThunder. The only people around here that tend to agree with him are you, who is insane, and Matasuto, who argued that Fascism is the combination of two entirely unrelated words. He's almost forced to agree with such losing arguments.

You are right about the "agree with it" thing, that was being pedantic. However the 'island' thing, you are completely wrong about. It wasn't a demand or even a suggestion, it was more of an observation based on trends within the gay community. THIS is the thing you have somehow COMPLETELY missed, and I think the reason is simply that you are just seeing what you want. Either that or you are willfully distorting the words because, as I've been saying in more than just this thread, you are a person without morals, ethics, or anything resembling 'good' qualities. You either are a corporate vampire, or you want to be one so bad you can taste it. Btw, the KKK was founded by democrats.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

That you think this is trolling is mind numbing.

Now you're just trolling and confirming what I said.

I can definitely agree that your mind is numb. It is apparently illiterate too.

You say that, yet you're the one failing to see how agreeing with something is pretty much the same as saying it, and fails to see how saying all gay people need to move to some island is insulting, regardless of the reason you give for it.

RailGrandWizardoftheKKK. It's often hard to tell if you're parody or not. I think not, but you're so in denial of being a bigot and so in denial of how whiny you get whenever someone not exactly like you is proud of not being exactly like you.

And then you run around calling others illiterate trolls. It's so weird. Right back to you saying "I didn't say it, I just agreed with it," as if it's an important distinction.

Poor RollingThunder. The only people around here that tend to agree with him are you, who is insane, and Matasuto, who argued that Fascism is the combination of two entirely unrelated words. He's almost forced to agree with such losing arguments.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

That you think this is trolling is mind numbing.

Now you're just trolling and confirming what I said.

I can definitely agree that your mind is numb. It is apparently illiterate too.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

Jivaro wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 23:02:Rationalize it all you want, you are still a bigot. Loud, silent, posting here, talking anywhere...you are still a bigot desperately trying to rationalize your irrational fears. Your own ego has you believing that you are simply saying what most are too afraid to...like you are some sort of white knight.

Whatever lets you sleep at night. You are still a bigot. No offense. I mean, I am sure there is none taken, you seem quite proud of it.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

Rationalize it all you want, you are still a bigot. Loud, silent, posting here, talking anywhere...you are still a bigot desperately trying to rationalize your irrational fears. Your own ego has you believing that you are simply saying what most are too afraid to...like you are some sort of white knight.

Whatever lets you sleep at night. You are still a bigot. No offense. I mean, I am sure there is none taken, you seem quite proud of it.

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.

What's the difference between saying something and agreeing with it?And the bad part of you demanding they move to an island really wasn't that it was for your benefit, it was that you demanded they move to an island.

Jivaro wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:38:Bigots rationalizing bigotry, that is all it is. They'll admit that people say stupid shit, they'll admit the laws aren't fair, but their entire argument is that the oppressed should suffer in silence. We should all just pretend like there isn't a problem.

Why is it that the bigots never suffer in silence. I mean, by their logic, the best thing to do with "GaymerCon" is to pretend it's not there. Don't go to it, don't talk about it, and most certainly don't acknowledge it.

Yet...that isn't exactly what I see here.

As it has been mentioned in this thread, most are suffering in silence. There's only 2 or 3 of us here saying these horrible things(lol) that the average person is either too polite, too shy, too PC bound, or too 'sheep' to say.

Fortunately I've grown to be a direct and brutally honest person that doesn't much care about what people think regarding myself. However I also don't go around all the internet forums looking to bash gays either. I'm posting here because I've been reading this site for 10(?) years or so now, and fuck you if you don't like it. No offense...

Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 19:57:Kinda silly? UnderLord called it wrong. RailWizard called it a fetish, said they should all move to some island and never bother him, and you said they don't deserve their own convention (not sure what makes someone deserve their own convention, paying for it maybe?)

And here's the thing, random internet guy that can't believe someone else enjoys being different from him, the whole "every month is White History Month" argument is valid, and every gaming convention is straight white christian male gaming convention. Seeing unconventional conventions should be applauded.

You just said a guy that demanded all gay people move to their own island was right about something.

I didn't call it a fetish, I agreed with someone who did. As for them moving to an island, I never said it was for my benefit, the suggestion was that it would be for theirs, are you so stupid you didn't figure that out? I also didn't demand it either. See, you are the typical sack of shit I'm talking about that twists, spins, distorts EVERYTHING a person says because you have no argument of your own. You're basically a cheerleader and nothing more. An original thought for you would probably be few and far between. You sicken me.