susan1 said the usual denial of the right of free speech for those that are pro- Israel

If you read that from a very easy to understand explanation from Mark Ratner then you are turning the truth on it's head or upside down which ironically which is also a point Mark Ratner makes in the video.

Palestinians, real semites, are not even playing the semite card and never have. They are not twisting laws or statutes for their cause.

Prof Shlomo Sand - HOLY LAND OR HOMELAND:
In the Hebrew Bible the geographic area roughly corresponding to the land of Palestine (between the River Jordan & the Mediterranean Sea) is mostly called the “land of Canaan.” The area “never served as a homeland for the ‘children of Israel,’ & for this reason, among others, they never refer to it as ‘the Land of Israel.’” Most Israelis, Prof Sand argues, are not aware that the term is not found in Hebrew Bible “in its inclusive meaning” of a wide geographic area.

Shlomo Sand explains it was a “holy land” rather than a “homeland”. Most Jews did not seek to live there. Philo of Alexandria, a 1st Ce Jewish philosopher, lived in Egypt — right next to Palestine. He could have moved to Jerusalem, since both regions were under Roman rule — but instead, like most people, he chose to live & die in his original homeland . Eretz Israel was traditionally considered by mainstream Judaism to be so holy the devout were positively forbidden to move there. Even pilgrimage was a rare, & later phenomenon. Between the years 134 and 1099, “we know of no attempts by the followers of rabbinical Judaism to make pilgrimages to the holy city” of Jerusalem.

One of the UK’s leading academics says supporters of Israel need to accept historical facts that Israel committed “ethnic cleansing” in 1948 — and be clear that there is no contradiction between this and their support of Israel.

Oxford’s first professor of Israel studies, Derek Penslar, made the comments to the JC following a well-attended lecture at Manchester University’s Centre for Jewish Studies. The chair was made possible in 2011 through a £3 million endowment from the Stanley and Zea Lewis Foundation.

Professor Penslar said pro-Israelis needed to catch up with the past 30 years of academic scholarship that has accepted the “vast bulk of findings” by Zionist revisionist historians such as Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe about Israel’s actions in 1948.

He said: “What happened to the Palestinians, the Naqba, was not a genocide. It was horrible, but it was not a genocide. Genocide means that you wipe out a people. It wasn’t a genocide. It was ethnic cleansing.”

In his lecture, Professor Penslar made clear that there was no evidence to accept the conclusions of some who claimed that early Zionist leaders had a policy or programme of forced expulsions of Palestinians.

But, the professor said afterwards, people like him “could not lie about ethnic cleansing because of some concern that some extremist is going to try to use my words, to back up a point of view that he or she holds anyway.

“So people are refusing to believe [what happened], not because it’s not true, but even if it is true they do not want to distribute it. What I’m saying is that scholars have an obligation to tell the truth”.

Driven into the sea....Diehard South African apartheid supporters claimed the same thing. The ANC also had an utterly charming slogan "One Settler, One Bullet". All white South Africans were considered "settlers" even though their earliest presence there went back to mid 17th century. Diehards never thought that their privileged racist supremacist surreal world would fall apart. Bit like RJL above.

Senator Giuliano Amato - who was an Italian presidential candidate - said on his weekly TV program on Italian state TV back in January 2013 his prediction on how Palestine would and should evolve in the future started off by offering a comparison by what happened in South Africa - i.e. eventually that conflict in South Africa came to an end when the white ruling class realized it was a mere minority and could no longer be sustained when they would be fighting an endless war against the black majority and there was no other solution but to have a shared coexistence & political governance. “Israel would soon have to accept this very same solution. Israel has made it impossible to have a 2 state solution as illegal settlers have occupied and taken over a vast part of the land assigned to the Palestinian people for a future separate state. As Jews are a minority they would have to accept the solution in which the Palestinian population would clearly represent the majority with all the political consequence this implies. What I hope is for a Palestinian leader a charismatic figure such as Nelson Mandela able to take power the same way Nelson Mandela did”, he said.

@gildag: "They did not threaten to wipe the whites out": 'One settler, one bullet' springs to mind and the one you zios seem to use a lot too, viz "drive us into the sea", so a very apt analogy indeed.

Also, European Jews do not originate from the Levant.

In a John Hopkins study published Dec 14th 2012, the Israeli geneticist Eran Elhaik explains that, among the various groups of European & non-European Jews, there are no blood or family connections: "The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous & which are connected solely by religion." The bottom line, he claims, is that the "genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar."

Even IF that is a fact America is not the world. I sometimes wonder if these polls are put out to try delude the Zionists into a false sense of security. Like a house of cards it can come down tumbling.

@ hophmi: I would ask you how you have a mandate to speak for them. I would also remind you that Iraq and Egypt have not ethnically cleansed any Christians out nor do any of them await a Right of Return to their homes and homeland. You may also be interested to learn that thousands of Iraqi Muslims are converting to Christianity.

As for the Copts I subscribe to the CYC channel on YT and they sure do not portray a picture you have dreamed up in your propaganda pieces.

Zionism is completely contradictory to Judaism. Judaism is subservience to the Almighty, been practiced for thousands of years a Covenant with God to be subservient to Him and Zionism is a relatively new movement, a hijacking of a religion into a nationalistic political movement.

At the destruction of the Temple 2000 years ago Jews were given an edict, a prophecy from Solomon that they are not to attempt to recreate their sovereignty - it was/is expressly forbidden. Jews wait for the day when God will make a miracle and they will automatically serve Him in harmony then they won’t have to convince an atheist that there Is a God everybody will recognize there is a God and they will serve Him. Prior to that event they are expressly forbidden to make any attempt of Jewish nationalism or sovereignty.

That was respected & upheld by Jews throughout the trials & tribulations of the Inquisition, the Crusades & every time period when they could have easily bought land they never did it because they understood that was against the will of the Almighty & what it means to be a Jew.

When the concept of Zionism was developed the Jewish Rabbinical authorities said that it was expressly forbidden for Jews to create a state as to do so goes against the will of God and is not subservience to God , it’s a nationalism awa as its actions when creating a state the concept of stealing from a people or killing is all forbidden according to the Torah so in every facet Zionism is a rebellion against the command of God.

It also says in the Torah if you rebel against God it will bring catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results on its followers.

Shlomo Sand: "You know Zionism is somewhere I can say is a modern movement a very anti Jewish movement because Judaism could not accept a nation state that could be called Jewish state then Judaism is not Zionism and Zionism is not Judaism and by the way all the establishment of Judaism at the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were anti Zionist it was clear to them until 2nd WW”.

Prof Shlomo Sand On the ‘Romans exiled Jews from Palestine’: “This is a myth, a lie because there is not even one book that speaks of the exile by the Romans the Jews are mostly converts and were not expelled from Palestine and they didn’t want to go to Palestine it was a very important place for them as a holy place but Mecca is also a very holy place for Muslims and the Ganges is a very important place for the Hindus. The promised land was not a homeland for the Jew”

When was that gilad because the word ‘Jew’ is only a relatively recently used word, having been first employed in the 1750’s in England, as the J sound was just being introduced into England from France. It was first seen written down in Sheridan’s play, “The Rivals,” in the year 1775.

giladg, still trying to put lipstick on a pig, would not live one day in a Gazan's shoes, just in a home he possibly lives in that once belonged to a Palestinian who was ethnically cleansed out to Gaza (most Gazans were originally from what is now western Israel).

Fringe lunatic right wing racist supremacist ideologies are not "mainstream" unless the world has morphed into something quite sinister. Clue being in fringe lunatic. This mandate you feel you have to speak for all and sundry is really quite bizarre.

"Israel" consists of some 22,000 sq km of land. Only about 1,500 sq km (some 6% of present-day “Israel”) was bought by the Jews and as many commentators have previously stated on other threads buying up property does not equate to taking over the whole country. I would hazard a guess Jews probably own that much percentage of American land - or even more.

The gunman was identified only as a 23-year-old Jewish man from New York City, who arrived in Israel as part of the “Oranim” Israeli-American job exchange project. The police confirmed that the gunman was fired from his job on Thursday.

Henry Siegman: ‘The end of Israel is near’
In a September 24 interview with Forward, Henry Siegman said: “If Israel believes that in this part of the world it can permanently deprive millions of Palestinians of their rights, that is absurd. Israel is signing its own death warrants,” he said, calling the policy of Netanyahu’s government “suicidal”.link to rehmat1.com

Sassan: Most of Gaza’s residents are refugee families who were forcibly pushed out by Zionist terrorist gangs during 1947-49 and forced into a concentration camp 24 miles by 7, in which non-Jews, who originally made up over 70 % of the inhabitants, were expelled. In violation of international law, they have been prohibited from returning to their homes & have lived under crippling Israeli occupation for decades. Palestinian land is continually confiscated by Israel for Jewish-only use.

Precisely , not enough European Jews answered the zionist call so they looked east to boost the numbers. Not that they were totally accepted on arrival shoved into camps and deloused. Not to mention the racial abuse.

Right back at ya. Jews are a religion not an ethnicity but Palestinians are Palestinians. Not one so called "Israeli Arab" calls themselves "an Israeli". In all the documentaries I have seen the Palestinians say they had no choice in becoming "Israeli" - which would be common sense anyway. I wish you oppressors would stop claiming to have a mandate to speak for everyone from Christians to the entire world. The arrogance of you imposters in Palestine is something quite alarming.

Nothing justifies you being in Palestine at the native Palestinians expense and I will never read a propagandist's link - ie from an impostor perspective. Why waste my time in doing that, time I will never get back.

Proudzionut666: Jaffa was the most advanced city in Palestine with its banking, fishing, manufacturing, & agriculture industries. All Arabic publications & newspapers were published in Jaffa. Thus the Zionists targeted Jaffa in order to destroy the Palestinian “propaganda” arm. May 23 1948, the so-called Israeli War Of Independence broke out. Only 10 days after the outbreak, the majority of Jaffa’s Arab population ,at least 70k, were ethnically cleansed. Haifa’s Arab population, numbering at least 35k, suffered the same fate.

You sound like the white apartheid South Africans who would say they lived in 1st world cities and the natives lived in the 3rd world. Doesn't cut it. Palestinian culture is different to European culture, in fact is more rich and diverse, and what's more their architecture fits in with the countryside/landscape whereas Zionist structures do not fit in, are completely ugly and work against the whole nature of the region. Zionist sense of aesthetics is absolute madness.

With an almost professorial air, Mr. Netanyahu held up a diagram of a bomb with a fuse to show the Israeli view of Iran’s progress in achieving the ability to make a nuclear weapon. He drew a red line through the point at which Iran would have amassed enough medium-enriched uranium to make a bomb–which he said would be in the spring or summer of 2013.

More than 64 years have passed since A1-Nakba and a large portion of those who were its direct victims and witnessed its horrors have died with their memories preserved in their minds and hearts about their beautiful world that was devastated, their warm homes that were demolished, and their peaceful villages that were erased from existence, and about their renaissance that was undermined, and their loved ones, dear men, women and children, who were killed in wars, massacres, attacks, raids and incursions, and about their beautiful country that was a beacon of coexistence, tolerance, progress and a crossroads of civilization. They died in the camps of displacement and refuge to which they were expelled following their uprooting fi'om their homeland as they awaited the moment in which thcy would resume their suspended lives and complete their journey that was interrupted and repair their shattered dreams. They died while they clung to their legitimate human right to justice and freedom and to redress for the historic unprecedented injustice inflicted upon them.

At present, 77% of the Palestinian people are under the age of 35 years. Although they did not experience the horrors of A1-Nakba, they know very well the details of its horrendous facts from the accounts told to them by their parents and grandparents who endured it. And, they are suffering its ongoing effects until today and every day as a result of the practices of the occupation and the settlers on a land that is diminishing and a horizon before them that is blocked against their simple, ordinary dreams. They see their homeland and, their present and future vulnerable to continued usurpation and they say firmly: we will not allow a new Nakba to happen."

"It is likely that Shechem was one of the oldest settlements in Canaan. The earliest written record comes from an inscription on the Stele of Khu-Sebek who was a noble in the court of Sesotris III (c. 1880-1840 BC). It reads: "his majesty reached a foreign country of which the name was skmm [Shechem]. Then skmm fell, together with the wretched Retunu [an Egyptian name for the inhabitants of Syro-Palestine]." An Egyptian execration text (a clay tablet on which curses are inscribed and then ceremonially broken) dating from the mid nineteenth century refers to one Ibish-hadad of Shechem, indicating that Shechem was an important centre of resistance against Egyptian rule (Toombs, 1992: 1179)."

So nada to do with the Israelites. It's history goes back way before they INVADED.

"Israel" could not survive were it not for denying Palestinians access to water in the OT. The survival of the oppressed Palestinians and how they get about their daily lives for 64 years is really something to be admired. I am in awe of their patience and resilience. Thanks for sharing (and caring).

I am all for rational freedom of expression but fringe lunatic bigotry aimed to provoke hatred and intolerance I am not. By free speech of course sassan means the latter. I notice in all his comments not once does he criticize zionism. Obvious who sent this messenger.

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