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Oh...
The episode itself felt kind of lacking (the whole otaku discussions and stuff feel old already...), but the way it ended and connected to the ED (OP) was so well done.
Well, except the last line of the protagonist. I'd think after being such a dog... I mean, good brother and helping his sister through all of that trouble, he wouldn't be so mean as to think Kirino couldn't be that cute (not that I myself think that...). Then again, from the preview, I think the staff is trying a bit too hard to fit the series title into the episode titles. I mean, "There's no way my sister would go to comike"? What, does he get amnesia before the next episode?

The BGM in the climax felt odd... Definitely doesn't fit. I usually don't pay much attention to BGM, but this one in the scene made my senses feel weird...

Still, wow, Kirino's dad is so right, it's amazing. Thanks to him, I completely don't care about the protagonist anymore now.
Though the fact everything was solved with punch was pretty... meh...
Still, Kyousuke's argument that it's okay to do something if you have the passion and are making friends isn't true at all. In other words, if I go do drugs and get a "better" life and get passionate over it, than it is fine? Hmm? Of course, his Dad counters by telling him that it isn't good if it brings harm to her. Which it isn't, so... It's fine, yes.
But a minor playing an eroge? No no matter what, right? So let's remove those things. And I doubt his Dad really believes it is his eroges... But nah~ Lots of shouting and a punch, and he just gives up.
Next time, I'm going to my parent and ask them if I can teach my sister how to spend time on the internet in a R-18 way... and if they refuse, I'll throttle them and then lecture them.

On a more random note, I really understand when you end up having 99% and just can't find out how to get the last 1%. Ugh... It's so annoying. That's why you can't make a game so complicated... It isn't even fun or challenging when it comes to that, just tedious.

I have to say that I'm not agreeing with you, I played eroge since I was 11 and haven't got any 'issues' I have kept it a secret from most of course. They're not really that different from the romance novels that most girls read anyway they can be pretty indecent too you know

A phrase I'm fond of saying about gaming applies to Kirino here: You can take the gamer out of the game, but you can never take the game out of the gamer. These things (games, anime, manga, figures, etc.) are our interest, our passtime, our passion even. They are as much a part of us and our identity as anything that's defined as "normal" by society.

Are we weird for it? Of course we are. We prefer our 2D stories and worlds to ones comprised of real people and places, and like Kyousuke said we get excited about them. Stupid-excited to the point that we sometimes just can't help ourselves. But for all the bad things we're force fed by the media and so-called "experts" about anime and games and their fandom, there is plenty of good in them too, and anything that brings people together like it did for Kirino, Kuroneko and Saori can't be all bad.

Epic episode was epic. Kyousuke stole the show for the entire second half and basically said everything I've always believed about "geeky" hobbies like gaming and anime. I'm not sure I would've been quite so gung-ho about his final defense of Kirino's eroge, but sometimes when you know a punch is coming anyway the best thing to do is just clench your teeth and take the shot. Especially if it's so your little sister doesn't have to take it instead.

And I wonder how many different names Kirino went through before settling on "Aniki" for Kyousuke. Appropriate enough, in my opinion. He was quite GAR there taking on his father. Kamina would've approved.

10/10 episode for me. I try not to give out 10's too often, but this episode definitely earned it. And I so knew they were going to Comiket at some point in this series. It was a foregone conclusion. I foresee hijinks and hilarity aplenty next week.

Can't really do much, I guess. But that doesn't mean you should just let it happen. I mean, there are polices and laws out there, but regardless of that, people commit crimes, right? So then, the police should just give up?
At least try to limit it, instead of allowing it.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Like I said before, I don't really find your "majority" thing so believable, so I can't really agree with you.
In the first place, this is how I feel about the situation, and I'm not willing to bend it to match the "majority" of the world.
Kind of reminds me of my sister some times. Always going "Well, these families do this..." or whatever. Like it matters what other families do...

Nope.

Hey, if that was me, I wouldn't regret squat. If it has dangerous risks to spend time with friends or do whatever, I definitely wouldn't do it.

Then like I said, you're better man than me and everyone that I know.

I personally would have change things back than just to have a more interesting high school life instead a college life that was way over the board in my first two years.

Anyway, like you, I simply doubt there are people as pure as you that are out there and they are the majority when all the stats and studies I've ever heard and learned show otherwise. So let's just agree to disagree.

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But having R-18 stuff? Even if it is not a crime, not allowed/tolerated, for me. Like you said, "openly sanctioning watching porn merely for the stimulation of the sex drive is wrong."

I guess this is also where we differ. I rather have people "openly sanctioning watching porn merely for the stimulation" than have people "bottled up with desire, and then does out and rape people, have unprotected sex, under-age sex, and treat relationship like sex conquests."

PS. just found something interesting and relevant for this discussion. The Age of Consent for sex in Japan is 13, though prefectures can have ordinances for regulation up till 18. So technically one can have real sex if he/she desires (dependent to where they live) instead of playing simple eroge. Both are legal, and who is to say those actions are wrong?

After all as late as mid-1800s people are allow to merry at incredibly young age in various parts of world including U.S. Ethical norms and standards changes over time and places, it's silly to judge others just because the values one holds is differ from them.

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What if Kirino has become obsessed with Mascara, while Kuroneko has been indulged to play galge and eroge? Kinda hilarious to imagine.

That would nice to see Kuroneko playing those games....her fapping would be even more of course if any fan made something of it. Doubt it would be anything of any sorts in the anime itself.

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Originally Posted by Undertaker

Besides, its not illegal to sell R-18 porn stuff to minor in Japan. (or in US for that matter, depend on states) R-18 is like ESRB and movie rating that are self-regulated system, most large stores won't do it, and all store put up signs to pass inspections, but it's not illegal.

Tell that to the moral and ethics people. Problem is minor are not responsible enough. That's why I read a UK article that charged a 8 and 9 year old with rape and to register as sex offenders. It was to show for people to be careful.

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The way I see it (based on _my_ European cultural background) Kirino's dad was generally right, but only to a degree.

Why only to a degree.....one can never know anyways 100% the mentality of a person like a family member suddenly killing all of its family.

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This is very much open to interpretation. Personally, I think the most logical explanation is this:

1) He noted how massively Kyousuke was invested in this, protecting the sister he thought Kyousuke never got along with.

2) As a policeman that he is, I believe he was able to identify Kyousuke's act as what it was: An act to protect Kirino.

3) He decided to heed both his kids' request, and his "I don't care anymore" kind of turn-a-blind-eye-on-it approach was the easiest way to do it (and relatively asian in style)

4) The punch against Kyousuke was to establish that he was still the boss in this house, and to punish Kyousuke for his flabbergastingly unacceptable behavior.

Well that's a interesting analogy......I do agree with the punch thing mostly. I am assuming also you knew that the father had ideas that Kirino was lying.

Excuse me about this one but if you are addicted with masturbation and eroge and cannot achieve orgasm anymore then eroge becomes like a drug to you in this case and there are other examples like this.

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Originally Posted by Mentar

Kirino is no NEET. Her social life is also (seemingly) healthy. And alot of the "otaku" bias has to be taken with a grain of salt, just like their dad already indicated. And withholding the issue of sex from adolescents till the age of 18 is downright retarded.

Withholding is not the issue but the issue of how to show it to them so they do not engage in any of it until they are 18. In Kirino's case she could because she has job that pays well.

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Kirino is 14 during episode 3, so breaching the subject of sex education is overdue anyway. Naturally, openly sanctioning watching porn merely for the stimulation of the sex drive is wrong either. But just like the mother knows (and tolerates) Kyousuke's stash of porn, I don't see looking the other way with eroge's as a criminal offense. As long as Kirino does okay, just like she always has.

Eroge is a criminal offense basically because it features fictional under age people but also taboo things. Kyousuke having a porn stash is more of the norm for guys in Japan. Girls having that is more of the not normal at all. In fact for a model it's absurd.

On further reflection, I do want to say that I find it silly when people judge characters for their mistakes as if that should reduce the value of the story itself. I see various comments suggesting that they feel no sympathy for Kirino or they think Kyousuke should have handled this or that differently...

Sure, no one wants to go through a story where no maturation is had and everyone just continues to bungle around like fools, but if people didn't make some mistakes and act unreasonably at times, there would be no stories worth telling. They'd all be Happy Fuzzy Bunny Time, and boring as all get-out.

You may say "How do I sympathize with such people?", sitting there and considering that you (think you) do not make the kinds of mistakes the characters make. The answer is simple: by realizing that when you were their age, you definitely exhibited plenty of bad behavior and made plenty of bad choices of your own, and if you were in their situation, you would be even more prone to it.

In this light, this episode felt extra-realistic to me, because Kyousuke's reaction, while coming from an admirable place and being quite GAR in its execution, also had the kinds of failings (physical reaction; brash, off-the-cuff decision about the R-18 stuff) that a guy Kyousuke's age would have been very susceptible to. If you continue to fight relating to characters by judging them against yourself (or against some standard you have of 'adult' behavior), rather than being sensitive to the story as a whole and the fact that average kids are going to act like average kids, you will never be completely satisfied with a character.

The resurrection spell that sufficed to bring me back from Aniki could not have worked if she had gone that far, for you see, my soul would have been annihilated until no shred of my being remained nor could be recalled.