I am surprised by your last statement. He had the team in a position to be 9-11 at worst, and accomplished this while playing his young guys a lot of minutes. I think he is succeeding in both categories. Their youngness is costing them in end game situations but he is being patient and playing the young guys none the less.

The irony to me is Turner not "getting it" when we all thought he could and guys like Thad and Spieghts seeming to be improving. My question is how does Thorn go from here? Does a possible near 500 record after 20 games push him to a]trade Iggy to stay lottery bound or b] look to add a young defensive big without moving Iggy and go for the playoffs.

His development of Turner is a failure to this point, that's what I meant. Not entirely his fault, but still. And he's got them playing much better than anyone could've expected, but they're still 8 games below .500, so you can't really say he's been successful at winning games.

As for Thorn, I hope he doesn't make a trade for either of those reasons. Dumping Iguodala purely to make the team worse is a dumb move, imo. And bringing anyone in purely to make a run at the playoffs this season would be equally dumb. If he's going to make a trade, it has to be to better the team in the long term.

a coach like collins isn't going to 'coach to lose', most coaches won't coach to lose - they'll play their best players only way to coach to lose is to build a roster incapable of not sucking (like when the cavs wanted lebron, sure that lottery wasn't fixed), the sixers have enough talent to scratch out wins they shouldn't while being inconsistent to lose games they shouldn't.

I didn't say he should coach to lose, just that I'm not disappointed we're 6-14. That said, we should definitely be taking our lumps with Turner, unless you think playing him too much will shatter his confidence because of how bad he is right now.

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