Did The Allies Outdo The Germans In Crimes & Atrocities?

…the Americans forced the defendants to watch US-made “documentary” films of German atrocities that deceitfully included scenes of corpses filmed in the wake of Allied air raids on German cities and factories.

After Germany’s defeat in WWII, the Nuremberg and later trials were organized primarily for political purposes rather than to dispense impartial justice. Wears War brings to you each week a quote from the many fine men and women who were openly appalled by the trials. All of these people were highly respected and prominent in their field, at least until they spoke out against the trials.

Daniel W. Michaels reviewing David Irving’s book Nuremberg: The Last Battle:

As Irving shows, the victorious Allies who sat in judgment at Nuremberg were guilty of many of the same actions or crimes for which they tried (and hanged) the German defendants. Indeed, the Allies very probably outdid the Germans in crimes and atrocities.

Irving cites, for example, the British-American fire bombings of Dresden, Hamburg and other German cities, killing tens of thousands of civilians at a time, the “ethnic cleansing” mass expulsion of German civilians from eastern and central Europe, of whom some two million perished or were killed, the widespread summary shootings of German prisoners, and the Allies’ use of hundreds of thousands of German prisoners as slave laborers. He also cites such lesser-known incidents as the sinking by British aircraft during the war’s final days of a clearly marked German Red Cross refugee ship, the Cap Arcona, killing 7,300 refugees, mostly women and children.

“A particularly barbaric Allied war crime was the bombing on May 3, 1945, by British Royal Air Force planes of the passenger ships Cap Arcona and Thielbek in the Lübeck bay, packed with concentration camp inmates. Among the many ‘nameless’ victims were many prominent political figures, a fact that is hushed up today because the fact that concentration camp inmates, many of them resistance fighters against Hitler, perished as victims of the terror of the ‘liberators’ does not conform to the portrayal of the ‘reeducators’.” The hoisting of white flags proved useless. CODOH“…on May 3, 1945, of the ‘Hamburg-South’ passenger steamship Cap Arcona and the steamship Thielbek, both carrying concentration camp prisoners on board who believed that they were saved, but who were now bombed in the Neustadt Bay by Allied air planes. On the Cap Arcona alone, more than 5,000 perished – ship personnel, concentration camp inmates, and SS guards.” The well-known sinking of the great British liner Titanic on April 15, 1912, took “only” 1,523 lives. CODOH

At the Yalta conference in February 1945, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin agreed to use millions of German POWs and German civilians as slave labor in Soviet Russia, France, and Belgium as partial “reparations in kind.” Jackson was shocked to learn that the Soviets wanted five million of these forced laborers, and France two million. (No final accounting has ever been made of the total number deported to the USSR for this purpose, or of the number who ever returned). President Roosevelt endorsed this policy, which was in blatant violation of international law, concerned only about the possibly negative impact on public opinion and election prospects back home.

Yet The French Placed An Order For 2 Million German POW Slaves.

In some cases, the Nuremberg defendants were charged with or held guilty of crimes that were actually committed by the Allies. Most noteworthy, perhaps, is the massacre, at Katyn and elsewhere, of some 11,000–15,000 Polish officers and intellectuals. At Nuremberg Soviet prosecutors presented seemingly persuasive evidence of German responsibility for this crime, and several Germans whom a Soviet court had found guilty of these killings were publicly hanged in Leningrad. It was only decades later that Soviet officials formally acknowledged that the massacre had been carried out by the Soviet secret police, acting on Stalin’s orders.

“In a final report released in 1952, the committee declared there was no doubt of Soviet guilt, and called the massacre “one of the most barbarous international crimes in world history.” It found that Roosevelt’s administration suppressed public knowledge of the crime, but said it was out of military necessity. It also recommended the government bring charges against the Soviets at an international tribunal — something never acted upon.” Source AP

Predictably, the Allies grandly exploited the Tribunal for propaganda purposes. As Irving relates, the Americans forced the defendants to watch US-made “documentary” films of German atrocities that deceitfully included scenes of corpses filmed in the wake of Allied air raids on German cities and factories. Some of the German viewers spotted the deception, and one former Messerschmitt worker said he even recognized himself in the film.

In these unprecedented proceedings, the Allies discarded basic principles of Western jurisprudence, perhaps most notably the well-established principle that in the absence of a law there can be neither crime nor punishment – nullum crimen sine lege, nulla poene sine lege. Instead, the Tribunal established new laws for the occasion, which were applied not only retroactively, but uniquely and exclusively to the German defendants. The Allies thus refused to consider the German defense argument of tu quoque or “you too” – that is, punishing the German defendants for actions that the Allies themselves also carried out.

The Tribunal rejected defendants’ pleas of obeying higher orders, even though, as Irving points out, precisely this had been affirmed as a valid defense under both British and American military law. Article 347 of the American Rules of Land Warfare, for example, specifically declares:

Members of the armed forces are not punished for these crimes, provided they were committed on the orders or with the permission of their governments or commanders.”

The Tribunal’s procedures, which were a blend of Allied procedures, differed markedly from German practice. In Germany, as in most of continental Europe, the court’s primary objective is to ascertain the truth. However, the Nuremberg Tribunal adopted a version of the American confrontational system, in which each side introduces only the evidence that benefits its own case. But because the Allies had confiscated all pertinent German documents and records, and refused access to them by the defense attorneys, the prosecution had a tremendous advantage over the German defendants.

Daniel W. Michaels retired from the US Department of Defense after 40 years of service. He was a Columbia University graduate (Phi Beta Kappa, 1954), and a Fulbright exchange student to Germany (1957). He resided in Washington, DC prior to his death.

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Konrad

The allies are the only criminals in this story. In both fratricidal wars Germany was defending its people, its homeland and rights to determine its own future.
The allies and their backers have more blood on their hands than any regime to go before them.
What these fools do not realise is that Nemesis always gets her pay in full.

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stefan

Atlanticism + Eurasianism =kosher=Satan. No need to agonize. A bloodthirsty shabbos goy golem of megahypocrites…Reichfuehrer SS Himmler was a little belated in his hopes the Allies would fall out but WW3 doesn’t look good for us either at this rate of ersatz cuckoldry to the Chosen Bigots.

What is the factual truth – 22,000 or 4,300?
Wikipedia states:
The massacre was prompted by NKVD chief Lavrentiy Beria’s proposal to execute all captive members of the Polish officer corps, dated 5 March 1940, approved by the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, including its leader, Joseph Stalin. The number of victims is estimated at about 22,000.[1]

The Jews hate far exceeds anything imaginable. Here are a few passages from Wurmbrand’s book about Communism torture and the Jewish mind: “What the communists have done to Christians surpasses … human understanding,” wrote Wurmbrand. “I have seen communists whose faces while torturing believers shone with rapturous joy. They cried out while torturing the Christians, ‘We are the devil!’” The communist torturers often [told me], “There is no God, no hereafter, no punishment for evil. We can do what we wish.” I heard one torturer say, “I thank God in whom I don’t believe, that I have… Read more »

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Parseval

Which is the book of Wurmbrand you are referring to? I have recently read a booklet by him about Marx and his apparent fascination with Satan.

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Liv

The manipulative headline “Did The Allies Outdo The Germans In Crimes & Atrocities?” is blatant mocking of the victims and a ghastly spin.

Which “Crimes & Atrocities” did the Germans commit?

This headline makes me think the article is nothing but disinformation and therfore I won’t waste my time and don’t read it.

The point is that the Allies did what they CLAIM the Germans did and worse.

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Liv

Of course the answer is of course.

But why use such a manipulative headline, implying German crimes and atrocities?

This is not only counter-productive, this is de facto the continuation of allied war propaganda.

We’ve had enough of this already.

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Butterkeks

Is it a wonder, if US ground troops are drafted from the sewers of rotten US, who do not know what they fight for? These crimes and barbarism have repeated all over again in Iraq, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, where ever the US visit with their military to learn geography.

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Butterkeks

I might add, after the US invasion of France, their supposedly allies,, french authorities received a massive number of complaints about drunk GI raping and abusing french women. Over 10000 complaints in the first few days. The US troops got briefed and handed out notes by the US command, warning them to behave like the Germans did. Obviously, the advise were not read and followed.

Most people believe that only members of the Russian red army, Mongols and other brutes mass raped and ferociously tortured 2 million German girls and women – many of them to death – but this is not the whole truth!

German females were raped in all sectors occupied by “the victorious allies”.

If you take a look at the author and first name and take her main work, for example “The Family Memory. Memories in the German-Jewish Bougeoisie from 1890 to 1932”, into account you can easily get the imprission that only certain people are allowed to tell the truth (to a certain extent – the usual singular prerogative of interpretation) and make money with publishing it.

The full (and long) title is ‘Nuremberg Farce Quote of The Week #29: Did The Allies Outdo The Germans In Crimes & Atrocities?’ It is a weekly post quoting the many people of different nationalities and professions who have stated how appalled they were with the Nuremberg Tribunal and associated trials. This weeks title lifts words written by the author of the quote. The title is designed to sow a seed of doubt in the minds of those who still believe the narrative. The target audience for these short posts are people who have not yet begun… Read more »

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Liv

“The title is designed to sow a seed of doubt in the minds of those who still believe the narrative.”

Mocking the German victims and spreading war propaganda lies as catchy headlines in order to spoonfeed believers???

Really?

Rather reminds me of (((alt right))) alleged “humor” and “irony” and “triggering” of “snowflakes”.

Your comments are appreciated, it is excellent that people will read them and (hopefully) think about them. You stated previously: Which “Crimes & Atrocities” did the Germans commit? One cannot objectively claim that in the entire course of WW2 Germany did not commit any crimes or atrocities. To do so can be counter-productive, it may suggest revisionist ‘cherry-picking’. This serves to reinforce the strategic use of the propagandized term “denial” against all revisionists. For example the circumstances regarding the starvation of 3 million Soviet POWs captured by Germany is explained in detail in the following article. While… Read more »

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Liv

No More Brother Wars & No More War Propaganda Lies! You are afraid of being called a cherry-picking revisionist and of the strategic use of the term “denial”, while you are not in the least reluctant to insinuate “German Crimes & Atrocities”? Even German wikipedia mentions “Criticism and positions of research” regarding the alleged so-called “Hungerplan” or “Backe-Plan”: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerplan#Kritik_und_Positionen_der_Forschung which you won’t find in the English article for unknown reasons. On the other hand this wikipedia article does not exist in German for certain reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war This subject does not even exist on German metapedia. Do you… Read more »

The articles on Wears War provide extensive footnotes for those readers interested in pursuing them. Many more are provided within the full context of the book Germany’s War, obviously not every detail can be cited in every article otherwise they’d become extremely lengthy. “No More Brother Wars” is a generally understood appeal to stop engaging in brother wars like WW1 and WW2, whether you are American, Australian, Canadian, English, French etc for nefarious interests. Tragically, it is a cry that has been ignored since before the 2nd Rothschild-Anglo-Boer war, which in reality was truly the first world… Read more »

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Liv

One example for “German Crimes & Atrocities” is not asked too much, is it?

You have to back your insinuations with evidence, not with footnotes, in particular because they affect the most crucial subject of German guilt.

There are more than one editors of WearsWar assisting John Wear, it’s a volunteer project to share his excellent writings. This particular editor you are challenging is, with respect, fascinated by your statements. You stated: “And I don’t mean crucial for Germans only” This editor agrees with that statement 100%. As a direct victim of white genocide in Rhodesia (aka Zimbabwe) and now watching my Boer relations go through an (unbelievably even more) horrific ethnic cleansing… I will continue to use titles that may attract younger people and older folks who have never seriously doubted the WW2… Read more »

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Parseval

WearsWar: I appreciate the effort that is put into undoing all the lies and distortions used to bring down Germany. The falseness of the war effort against Germany has been recognized in England and America even before the war by individuals who were thinking through the facts and ahead towards the consequences. To no avail, however, a far fever could nonetheless be generated by a deceitful, determined press. The press was as false then as it is now. Th effort to overcome the historical blackout has been given substantial, and as far as the holocaust narrative is… Read more »

An appreciated comment and a great link. John Wear’s articles also appear on IHR and the TBR Journal and reach a wonderful audience ready to delve into the truth. However for some folks they can be a little dry as a starting point. Please note, both Paul Angel and Mark Weber have in writing commended John Wear for his diligence with footnotes and references. A year ago a person handed me John’s book ‘Germany’s War’ to read. I was impressed (having already read Bradberry, King and others), I talked to a couple of other people and we… Read more »

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Liv

“Indeed, the Allies very probably outdid the Germans in crimes and atrocities.” “The Allies thus refused to consider the German defense argument of tu quoque or “you too” – that is, punishing the German defendants for actions that the Allies themselves also carried out.” After all that was said you still stubbornly insist on German “Crimes & Atrocities” without being able to mention at least one case, let alone put evidence forward. By doing this you are discrediting your own work and contributing to the ongoing anti-German war propaganda for reasons which are beyond my understanding. This… Read more »

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Parseval

Liv: I am certain that with time it will be recognized worldwide that Germany was intentionally driven into the war with a greater agenda in mind. And it will come with a re-examination of the current weapons grade historiography that is geared towards demonisation of Germany. The people responsible for the civilization-ending event of the war were dull-minded and short sighted to an unimaginable extent. However, reality will eventually catch up. We are driving towards a point when only a world-wide solidarity of white people of European descent will be able to halt the drive towards their… Read more »

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Liv

Non-German self-declared revisionists are making a lot of money by publishing half-truths and their personal perceptions, sometimes mixed with fiction. This is nothing new. Germans have a voice, they need not be given one, but it seems the Anglo-American world prefers not to listen, because their own words sound much better in their ears. Revisionism based on quotes by other authors is no revisionism. Only revisionism based on authentic sources is real revisionism. This headline and text is vilifying the Germans and no matter how much certain circles are interested in turning this fact upside down and… Read more »

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Parseval

Liv: You are frothing on your mouth. Please, go ahead, free Germany, refuse to look beyond the borders of the remaining Germany. There are people who see the catastrophe that is caused by the two anti-German wars, and these are people who are capable to look through the smokescreen of deception, misrepresentation and what powers have been at work to throw us all into this cauldron. Is it sensible to antagonize them? I would not have chosen the headline either, but as a rhetorical question, I can see its purpose. I agree, Germans have a voice, and… Read more »

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Liv

“I will continue to use titles that may attract younger people and older folks who have never seriously doubted the WW2 narrative.”

You are not only doing the Germans a huge disservice by claiming that you are unable to attract this readership with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and therefore can’t do without trite old war propaganda.

Give me evidence for at least one example of German “Crimes & Atrocities”!

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Butterkeks

None of brain dead zombies care for footnotes. You have to spoonfeed them with facts in big fat letters. Mind you, you have no real idea of the eastern front. You cannot compare the western front with it, where a German B team kept the Brits and Americans in check. The heavy fighting was eastern front, and you also cannot see it through today’s goggles. Consider weather conditions, it was Winter, snow, impassable muddy areas. Supply routes were complicated, and designed to supply the German army, while Germany was mercilessly bombed. It was not anticipated to supply… Read more »

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Parseval

Liv: I also have never encountered substantive information for the accusation of intentional starvation of Soviet POWs. It is quite possible that food was in short supply due to the sudden problems of posed by huge amounts of people to feed and take care of. But >intentional starvation>>>German<<<< chanceloress Merkel, before that by Vansittart in his Black Record), the war of in1870, although started and declared by France, indicatesin this vain German aggressiveness; 1914, although Germany was nearly suicidally attempting to avert it by waiting until the very last with mobilisation, was turned into a German liability,… Read more »

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Liv

“Interesting article. However, although I have heard over so many years of the 3 millions of Soviet POWs who had “had been starved to death”, I could not find to this day a real source for this statement. With some things, when one follows them, they have no real source, but are copied and passed on from one writer to the other. Where does it come from? While the huge numbers of prisoners taken did cause severe problems with supply, as pointed out in the above article, a deliberate act of brutality is something else. The fact… Read more »

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Butterkeks

What utter. “For example the circumstances regarding the starvation of 3 million Soviet POWs captured by Germany is explained ” Yeah, those 3 Million were part of an attack force. We did not purposf7ully starve these people to death. We were simply not prepared for such a vast number of pow, who freely surrendered to us woithout firing a shot. Some of them were not even armed, pushed forward by the fanatic Jewish commissars with a pistol in their hand. Those who went back to Stalin were killed or put in a Gulag. Vast loud speakers by… Read more »

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Parseval

Liv: I agree with the reply of WearsWar. The purpose of a new historiography has to be a narrative in accordance with the facts. To achieve this, one has to have a strategy that is likely to make people re-think what they know. Currently, facts are not held in high respect, rather a self-assertive circular narrative, starting with the tenet: Hitler was bad, bent on world domination achieved through a world war, he was ruthless and a killer, and all of this led to the 6 millions of gassed + the 5 million non-jews. You know that… Read more »

English subs need to be added to this German Wochenschau documentary.
Comment by Phil O. Sofa 7 years ago
KATYN: The first trial took place in Mariupol on the Azov Sea in 1943, during which four German officers were sentenced to death and immediately executed. Two other trials in Smolensk with a total of 85 death sentences, including 18 against German generals.
Other defendants – Karl Strüffling, Heinrich Remmlinger, Ernst Böhm, Eduard Sonnenfeld, Hebard Janike, Erwin Skotki and Ernst Geherer – sentenced the court to death and on 5 January 1946 they were executed … … etc.

The post intentionally referenced an Associated Press article (source linked under the Katyn forest photo). People who are yet to fully question the WW2 narrative they have been taught might be less inclined to dismiss or deny a MSM reference stating: “Documents released Monday and seen in advance by The Associated Press lend weight to the belief that suppression within the highest levels of the U.S. government helped cover up Soviet guilt in the killing of some 22,000 Polish officers and other prisoners in the Katyn forest and other locations in 1940. The evidence is among about… Read more »