Jewish Life After Death

Two sincere testimonies, and scripture, require us to redefine who has eternal life with the Father God in heaven.

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Christians interpret scripture to say that only born again Christians can enter heaven.

Jewish life after death experiences indicate that very devout, religious Jews may enter also, if they meet the requirements set in the Mosaic law.

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How is this apparent conflict resolved?

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Holiness throughout time

God set up a set of laws under Moses that defined righteousness and holiness.

History shows that the Jews constantly failed to live up to the requirements.

History also shows that MOST of all humanity cannot do this either.

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This is why there was a set of ritual sacrifices set up to make offerings and atonement for sins, and to reconnect with god on a personal level.

The ritual sacrifices were also a lot of work.

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The key to a relationship with God in both the old and new testaments was based on FAITH and OBEDIENCE.

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This is why Father Abraham was considered “saved” under new testament teachings, as well as many others.

His faith was counted as righteousness, even though he had never heard of Jesus.

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This also indicates that if true in the year 30 AD, then it is still true today.

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The world was simple then.

The world became increasingly complex, and more of an obstacle to holiness as time progressed.

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The Jews coming out of Egypt had to receive more instruction and guidance than Abraham did.

This is because there were more challenges to them in their time and world than what Abraham experienced.

They had lived through 400 years of bondage in a pagan land.

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The Jews failed quite a bit, even though holiness was spelled out for them.

There were 613 laws to obey.

Their leaders made it worse for them, adding the dictates and ordinances of man on top of the law.

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Still there were observant Jews.

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But because the law was very difficult to keep, God promised a new covenant of the heart, which would be superior to the law written on stone.

This is why Jesus came, to usher in the new covenant.

And this is why His sacrifice made unnecessary the ritual sacrifices for sin, and made forgiveness possible for everyone , without “having to work for it.”

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While grace abounded under Moses, grace more abounded under Jesus / Yeshua.

We now all had access to the holy spirit for comfort, teaching and guidance, where before, only the occasional prophet would have had access to Him.

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While the Mosaic law was excellent, it was also demanding, sometimes beyond the strength of the person to perform every duty.

The Way of Yeshua was the better way, so that no one would perish because they were weak and unable to perform.

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Still, Jesus said that the narrow way was the path to holiness, not the wide path, which led to destruction.

This meant the path to holiness could still be difficult and require great commitment.

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Today, the world is corrupt in a massive way.

Holiness is almost impossible.

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Law vs. Grace, or Both?

People make an “either law or grace” argument today.

Most abandon the law, because they think grace is the easy path, and permissive when it comes to obeying the law.

Those who obey the law are accused of being legalistic, and trying to get saved by works.

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Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it.

This means the law still holds, for those who can follow it.

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It is understood that following the law just for legalistic reasons is not acceptable, but to follow the law with one’s whole heart, mind and strength is still inside god’s will.

In fact, this is what God commanded to begin with.

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Jews follow the law and believe grace is there for them.

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To be considered obedient, they have to obey ALL the law of Moses.

The only consideration is that the Temple was destroyed, so they cannot offer sacrifices there.

So instead, they do “mitzvahs” and daily prayers, in place of animal sacrifices.

While there are different disciplines within Judaism, the Orthodox come closest to obeying all 613 commandments.

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If God expects only the strictest observance to His Torah, for covenant compliance, and acceptance into heaven, then only the most Orthodox would fit this description, while other religious Jews would not meet the standards.

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171 Responses to “Jewish Life After Death”

Very well written. I’ve always had a nagging question about Scripture that perhaps you have an opinion on. Namely, why does a Creator need a covenant with his creation? When God said, If you will be my people, I will be your God, what was the point? The israelites were his children whether they accepted him or not and God couldn’t very well reject them, could he, if they chose not to accept him. What could possibly cause God to feel the need for a contract, especially when he supposedly already knew the outcome? …unless he was worried about that which he could not control – so he commanded, “Thou will have no other gods besides me.”

There is a difference between being a creation,or natural child of God, and being a spiritual child of god.

the covenant was to elevate the person to a spiritual level, to make the relationship with god more intimate.

the more intimate the relationship, the more holy the person became, and the more they shared the goodness of god

the contract was to define what was necessary to achieve this….

man is naturally bound to this world, and the contract set guidelines, to help free the person from this bondage, and protect him from dangers in the world.

the covenant was like a hedge of protection around them….as long as they stayed inside the hedge of protection, they were safe, prosperous, an victorious in this life….if they strayed from this area, and went outside the guidelines, they got hurt.

I have always wondered about Enoch and how could he have possibly walked with God if he wasn’t washed in the blood of Jesus. Here are my thoughts on Enoch:

Very little is written about Enoch. According to the Bible, Enoch lived 365 years; the last 300 years of his life Enoch walked with God. The number 365 is significant. There are 365 days in a complete year. Enoch living 365 years is a foreshadowing of the complete man of God (man of faith or man of obedience).

Recently I have heard of a pastor who preached that Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, not because they sinned against God, but because they did not repent of their sin. Scripture never tells us that Adam repented of his sin or that Adam walked with God after he and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. So why was Enoch different? Enoch was born with Adamic Sin. How did Enoch walk with God?

Enoch, no doubt, offered the required blood sacrifices unto the Lord for his sins and the sins of his family. This was before the Law, the Prophets and the New Testament. Not only did Enoch, by faith, offer an excellent sacrifice unto the Lord, but I believe, that Enoch truly repented of his sin and believed on the finished work of the cross before the fact.

Faith in God transcends time and space. The Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13: 8): somehow Enoch knew this truth from oral tradition or from revealed knowledge. He put his faith in the coming Messiah, died to self-will and was able to walk with God.

Enoch, by faith, was translated and did not experience death. Before he was translated, his testimony was that he had pleased God. It is only by faith (obedience) that we are able to please God.

In the book of Jasher it talks that Enoch had a countenance of God about him & that it scared many who saw him! It seems he had the shekinah glory ! It is said that a nineteenth century woman named Fanny Jane Crosby a lifetime blind woman who was a keyboardist/song-writer/preacher/teacher sometimes folk saw this “glow” around her!

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That’s a lot to take in, Marianne. I never quite looked at it this way. Thank you for offering the insight. 613 laws. I have a hard enough time keeping my ego in check, and having true humility. And even that is through grace.

i am very close to some orthodox jews. I do not have the strength to do what they do every day. I could not last one day getting everything done right. I am so grateful for the blood of Jesus in my life.

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My first thought was that Jesus/Yeshua said “6 Yeshua said, “I AM the Way — and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

Interestingly, the Torah is also referred to as the Way, Truth and Life.

Psalm 119:1
Psalm 119: 142
Deut 32:46-47

Torah also means Instructions.

Yeshua is considered to be the Torah made flesh.

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God……verse 14 The Word became a human being and lived with us, and we saw his Sh’khinah, the Sh’khinah of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth

So understanding the above, It would make sense that Orthodox Jews who know to follow Torah are also following their Messiah, Yeshua. They are blinded in part, Romans 11:25, but according to Romans 11:26, ALL of Israel will be saved.

Regarding your comment about the covenant:

He has only made covenants with

1.. Jews, through the Mosaic covenant.

2.. Christians, through the blood of Jesus.

The (renewed) Covenant has been made with the House of Israel and House of Judah, Jeremiah 31

There is no mention of christians, church or gentile. In order to partake of this covenant, one must be a part of and/or grafted into the Olive Tree-Israel (which consists of both the House of Israel and House of Judah) see Romans 11

Jesus was the One who met with Abraham at his tent with the two angels who were on their way to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Regarding who will have eternal life, whether it be those who were under thte law of Moses or those who belong to the church, they both require faith. The Law of Moses and faith went hand in hand. Paul speaks about this very issue:

“What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.”

Witout faith it is impossible to please God no matter what time period in history. Everyone who has the same faith as father Abrahm is credited with righteousness. Anyone today who is not trusting in Christ, but in their own efforts to inherit the kingdom of God will not enter in.

he met someone for brief moment in time, that he called Lord, who did not come as messiah to him, because it was not time for the messianic mission to be accomplished.

jesus did not say to abraham that he was the messiah to come, and all that he was going to do, to be crucified and die for sins….he came for a different purpose.. to discuss the birth of Isaac and the condition of sodom and gomorrah

As far as the after-life experience of Mr. Anava, I don’t believe it was real nor metaphorical. Jews do not believe they go to heaven when they die and the Torah and Jesus did not teach it.
Read Ezekiel 37 which describes the resurrection, Even Jesus gave us the lord’s prayer in which we look to the coming kingdom on earth.
Surely if any Old Testament person should have gone to heaven it would be King David, yet here is what the bibile says has happened to him:
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Acts 13:36
For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
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Acts 2:29
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

So if David was still dead in his grave, then you must assume that all other Jews (and Christians) who have died are asleep in their graves awaiting the Second Coming and the first resurrection.
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Here is what Jesus has to say about the first resurrection:
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Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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SO, the blessed and holy (dead) are resurrected at the Second Coming and meet Jesus in the clouds. They do not come down from heaven with Him.
Nowhere in the bible does it teach that the dead, neither Jews nor Christians) go to heaven (nor hell) when they die. Only misinterpretations of parables – no direct and clear verses from God.
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Therefore, everything about this post is wrong. It is false teaching, plain and simple.

You said:
“For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:”

Rebut:
Being asleep, that is, dead, always refers to the body and not the soul/spirit. It is the body that is asleep in the earth waiting to be resurrected and reunited with their soul/spirits. The event of Lazarus and the rich man of Luke 16:19 is a good example demonstrating conscious awareness after death, and their are many more. Before Christ came, the OT saints went to that place across from Hades, which is where father Abraham and Lazarus were, which was a place of paradise within the earth and on the other side was Hades, a place of torment in flame. The word “diaphthora” translated “Corruption” simply means decay and does not infer that king David was spiritually lost or anything of that nature.

You said:
“Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”

Rebut:
The verse above is referring to the unfaithful from the beginning of time. These are the unredeemed dead who will stand before God at the great white throne judgment and will be judged according to all that they have ever done. These are the lost dead, those without faith and those who do not have the blood of Christ covering them. The reason that they do not come to life at the same time that the great tribulation saints do, is because they do not belong to the first resurrection. For if they did, then the second death would have no power over them. The souls/spirits of these people come out of Hades and like the rich man, will have been in torment in flame leading up to that judgment only to be thrown into the lake of fire.

You said:
“SO, the blessed and holy (dead) are resurrected at the Second Coming and meet Jesus in the clouds. They do not come down from heaven with Him.”

The resurrection that you are referring to in Rev.20:4 are specifically the great tribulation saints and not the church or anyone else. The on-going problem expositors make is making the resurrection and catching away of the church and Jesus’ return to the earth to end the age as being synonymous, when they are two different events. The other error that they make is when reading “This is the first resurrection” they interpret it as being the only resurrection. That fact is that, there are stages or phases to the first resurrection. The first resurrection could be better stated as, all resurrection which take place prior to the end of the thousand years. Here is a list of all of the resurrections which are mentioned in Scripture:

* Jesus the first fruits of those who fall asleep

* The church at his appearing (1 Thes.4:16, 1 Cor.15:51-53)

* The male child/144,000 who are caught up to his throne

* The two witnesses

* The great tribulation saints

The above are stages belonging to the first resurrection of which Jesus is the first fruits of and the church is next, which is what we should all be watching for and anticipating. So to recap, the resurrection and the catching away of the church is a completely different event from when Jesus returns to end the age. In fact, the church is the one coming down with Christ dressed in fine linen, white and clean and riding on white horses, which are his called, chosen and faithful servants.

Another problem that arises by attempting to make Rev.20:4 being the resurrection of the church is that, it would put the entire church through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is the day of the Lord, the wrath of God. Those who have received Christ are not appointed to suffer wrath and that because Jesus already suffered the wrath that we deserve. That wrath that is coming will be upon all the ungodly, the proud, the haughty, those who continue to live according to the sinful nature, those who have rejected God’s salvation through the shed blood of his Son Jesus Christ. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. Since this is going to be worldwide destruction, God is going to first remove his church, the dead and the living and then his wrath will be poured out. Even the great tribulation saints who get caught in that time will be exposed to God’s wrath.

My advice to you is to get away from the teaching of amillennialism, for it is one of the most destructive and deceptive teachings in the world.

jim, you’re right about Christians interpreting Scripture that only they will be saved. In that regard, Jesus, himself, said that, “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). However, Judaism does teach that there is an afterlife, Deuteronomy 30:12 being just one example.

Salvation is not matter of ethnicity, for there is neither Jew nor Greek in the body of Christ. (Gal 3:28).

Naturally, the continuing obstinacy, and sense of superiority on the part of many Jews on account of their former exclusive chosenness predisposes them to deny all scripture that states clearly that “Israel” is God’s designated name for His chosen, which of course, now, comprises of both Jew and Gentile under the New Covenant.

Yes James, plain and simple.

“For David did not ascend to heaven…………..”. ( Acts 2:34)

“No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven–the Son of Man.”. (John 3:13)

“Jesus answered, “I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. No one comes to the Father EXCEPT THROUGH ME”. (John 14:6)

Abraham kept Torah ( instructions, not law) Gen26, and was also a man of faith. The one is not exclutionary of the other. Same thing with rabbi Saul who declared that he believed in everything written in Torah. All the Nazarene Jewish disciples of the Jewish Messiah kept Torah the same way He did. Yeshua came for the Jew first.

I cannot agree with any of this. They need to believe in Jesus, no exceptions.
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the Father but THROUGH Him. (Not shouting, caps are for emphasis)

Do we put our trust in NDE’s or in the Word of God? Even the devil can present himself as an angel of light.

NO ONE CAN KEEP THE LAW. This is what Apostle Peter told the sect of Pharisees who believed:
“But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” (Acts 15:5)
Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a YOKE on the neck of the disciples WHICH NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ WE SHALL BE SAVED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THEY.” (Acts 15:10-11)

“Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you: “Behold, you despisers, Marvel and perish! For I work a work in your days, A work which you will by no means believe, Though one were to declare it to you.’ “(Acts 13:38-41)

No exceptions, JEW and gentile need to believe in Jesus as their Lord. NO OTHER WAY.

How can we find “peace and rest in the next life but won’t see the Father”?
That does not even make sense! If you are not in the presence of the Father in the life hereafter you are IN HELL! NO PEACE, NO REST!

This is doctrines of demons!

“Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,”
(1 Timothy 4:1-2)

” But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. ”
(Galatians 1:8-9)

I see your point, but, even though no one can keep the law perfectly, the bible says there are plenty of OT saints in heaven…..they were not perfect, but God looked at their hearts, faith, and their repentance.

this is post presented as a theory since the NDEs indicated some hope for those who follow the law of the gentiles, which would also include devout jews, who have not been taught the gospel.

I can tell you from personal knowledge of many of them, that many Jews, and others, who are gentiles, have more of the love of God in them than most christians. And they do, by the spirit, what is taught in the gospel, without knowing it is the gospel.

Just adding some scriptures by Apostle Paul that says there is salvation in no other. Through prophet Isaiah, God speaks about the foundation, the cornerstone (Jesus) and then Paul speaks about how the Jews rejected Him and Paul mentions that there is salvation by NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN, but Jesus.
No man can keep all of the law, I don’t care who says they can, they are liars, they can not! If any man can keep the whole of the law, Jesus’ coming was futile.
Salvation is in Jesus Christ of Nazareth and in Him alone, no sneaking into the sheepfold via some other way.
Jesus is the gate and He said that anyone who tries to enter in another way is a thief and a robber!
Christ is the DOOR, the GATE, the KEY to eternal life.

I want to warn people to not listen to any other gospel that is preached to them but the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul warned us!
He said let them be accursed! Even if an angel from heaven brings you another gospel.

So say I now, let anyone who preach another gospel be ACCURSED!

Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily.
~•Isaiah 28:16

“let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
~•Acts 4:10-12

The word of God is NOT a lie.
That is to be understood hypothetically because NONE can keep the law perfectly. ALL have sinned, even believers in Christ are not without sin, but we are declared righteous because we are in Christ and therefore by Christ the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us. How are we doers of the law? By loving God, loving our neighbour and bearing one another’s burdens fulfills the law of Christ. Love fulfills the law. We have to be IN CHRIST. Without Christ it is impossible.

“6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was,
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
9 If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold.
13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away.
14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because ONLY IN CHRIST is it taken away.
15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.
16 But whenever anyone TURNS TO THE LORD, the veil is taken away.
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. ”
~•2 Cor 3:6-18

The Word of God stands forever! Without Christ, no one gets saved. No one can keep the law perfectly…no one, except Jesus. No one can enter Heaven, but by the door which is Jesus Christ. As for love, the Bible is VERY clear about love, that LOVE fulfills the law. Love is an action, something we do. We don’t just say it and think it, we DO it, we LIVE it. That’s what God is concerned about, what is in our hearts and whether we are in Christ, because when we are in Christ, we have His love for God and people in our hearts. How do you bear one another’s burden?….someone is hungry, you feed, someone is thirsty, you give a drink, someone is naked, you clothe, someone is mourning, you mourn with them, I could go on and on.

I seem to be repeating myself, so I’ve said all I wanted to say. Let the Word of God speak for itself.

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom! Oh how marvellous! Thank you Jesus ♥

Nowhere did I say I approve of sin. I am not disobeying the law!
The Bible says he who says he has no sin is a liar. We as Christians might slip, but then we confess and repent and our merciful God full of grace and compassion forgives us, but we do not continue to live in our sins.

You on the other hand seem to be preaching another gospel and we all know what Paul said about that. You put more trust in testimonies of people and their NDE’s than the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Where are you leading Jews with this article? I can tell you…away from Christ! 😥 You as a Christian are supposed to tell them the truth in love, not give them false hope straight to hell.

Galatians 5:1-6
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, YOU WHO ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW; YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE. For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but FAITH WORKING THROUGH LOVE.

Galatians 4:21-31
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar–
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children–
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

Hallelujah! I am covered by the Blood of the Lamb. I am a child of the freewoman! I am free from the yoke of the law! I will stand and not be entangled.

Marianne, because I am in Christ and I love God and my neighbours (love in action!), I am being obedient to His law! LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW! How many more times must I repeat myself?

What are Jesus’ commandments? Feed the sick, give drink to the hungry, clothe the naked etc.!!

Jesus said on these two commandments hang the whole of the law and the prophets:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. THERE IS NO OTHER COMMAND GREATER THAN THESE.”
~•Mark 12:30-31

LUKE 10:25-37
25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”
29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion.
34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’
36 So WHICH OF THESE THREE do you think WAS NEIGHBOUR TO HIM who fell among the thieves?”
37 And he said, “HE WHO SHOWED MERCY ON HIM.” Then JESUS SAID to him, “GO AND DO LIKEWISE.”

LOVE FULFILLS THE LAW.
You be yoked under the law if you want. I am set free by my sweet blessed Jesus!

On the cross Jesus said “IT IS FINISHED”.

I am done. You are preaching another gospel. I stand by everything I wrote and the word of God speaks loud and clear and better than you or I ever could.

I’ve noticed that’s the latest thing to bring confusion in the Body of Christ…how Jesus’ Name is only 500 years old. I’ve seen so many different versions given by other legalists/Hebrew Roots cult, but I stick to Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Lindsey, I’ve been praying to God (Yahweh) in the Name of Jesus Christ ever since I can remember and He has been faithful in answering my prayers. I love the Name Yeshua, but I am Afrikaans speaking and my Bible calls Him ‘JESUS’.

Marianne, there’s no reply button to click on your last reply to me where you tell me to make up my mind. I lost my reply when i hit send, so here goes again:

Do not twist my words! I did not say Jesus saying to keep His commandments is another gospel. I did NOT say that! I was speaking about YOU and what you are promoting here. 😦

Jesus said:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

“The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other command greater than these.”

Jesus also said that on those 2 commandments hang the whole of the law and the prophets. LOVE fulfills the law. When I am in Christ and I love God and my neighbour, I are being obedient to Christ’s commandments. You will do what He tells you to do, clothe the naked, feed the hungry etc. Why do I have to repeat myself? Do you even read my replies?

When I said YOU are preaching another gospel, I was talking about you telling people that they can go to heaven by keeping the law!!! You promote people’s testimonies and what they experience after death (NDE). You say “Jewish NDEs affirm hope for those still under the “law””…you promote this person’s testimony of what he experienced, that “Jews with the NDE were not directed to accept Jesus as messiah, but to be good Jews”…..”Judged by OT standards and covenant”…”there is a different judgment of a Jew”….
…”If you choose the Mosaic law, realize it is very hard to keep.
Even Paul the devout apostle admitted this.
If you choose this, you will find peace and rest in next life.
But you will not see the Father.
Even Paul the devout apostle admitted this.
If you choose this, you will find peace and rest in next life.
But you will not see the Father.”

THAT IS ANOTHER GOSPEL! Do not twist my words please! THAT was the “other gospel” I was talking about.
It is Jesus or hell, It does not matter how good a person you are, have you got Jesus, are you born of the Spirit? That is what will be required, to be born again.
Where are these NDE testimonies by Jewish people and your agreeing with it leading the Jews?…away from Jesus! You are supposed to point them to Jesus.

25 And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”
29 But he, wanting to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 Then Jesus answered and said: “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who stripped him of his clothing, wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 Now by chance a certain priest came down that road. And when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 Likewise a Levite, when he arrived at the place, came and looked, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion.
34 So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, ‘Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you.’
36 So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?”
37 And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

Love fulfills the law.

Jesus said: “IT IS FINISHED”.

You be yoked under the law if you want. I am free. I am done here now because I don’t want to be part of a ‘discussion’ where words get twisted and words put in my mouth by the blog owner.

Yes, but the point remains that, no one will be saved by their own efforts, not those under the Law of Moses nor those who belong to the Church. Faith has always been a requirement for salvation in both covenants. Those under the Law of Moses could not be saved by observing the Law of Moses by performing works, as the Law had to be obeyed with faith as its foundation. Paul goes on to say that Israel did not obtain righteousness because they sought after it as though by works instead God’s way, which is by faith. The Law could never save anyone, as it was put in place to demonstrate how utterly sinful we are.

Furthermore, the same blood that covers us, also covers those OT saints. For regarding this Scripture says:

“For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.”

Therefore, according to what Paul states above, God left the sins committed prior Christ’s coming, that is, those saints who had faith prior to Christ’s sacrifice are also covered by his shed blood, their sins having been unpunished.

Like father Abraham, all who have faith are credited with righteousness.

Today we are saved by grace through faith apart from the observance of the Law of Moses and that because Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf fulfilling them perfectly and nailing them to the cross. Our focus should be on Christ as the author and finisher of our faith. We are free in Christ, but as Scripture says, let us not use our freedom to fulfill the desires of the sinful nature, but for righteousness sake.

“God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it. ” (Eph.2:8-9)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

In the above Scripture, Jesus makes it clear that he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. That is, to meet their requirements, fulfill them, to bring them to completion, to satisfy them. He is not saying that he came to perpetuate the Law of Moses, that is, to keep it going, but to fulfill it and bring it to its end.

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“Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed. Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.
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Anyone who trusts in the works of the Law for salvation will never attain it and furthermore, no one is able to keep it. Anyone who says that they do is a liar. For the person who trusts in works is not trusting in Christ who fulfilled the Law on our behalf. We are under a new covenant.

“By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.” (Heb.8:13)

“Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.” (Rom.3:27-28)

Anytime a person brings in their own efforts as requirement along side the shed blood of Christ, they are basically saying that his sacrifice was insufficient for salvation.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’[a]

Using ESword, the definition for lawlessness and/or iniquity, depending upon translation, is “transgression of law”.

Using ESword again for the word “fulfill”, you’ll see that one of the definitions is “fully preach”.

According to your interpretation, Jesus said He didn’t abolish the law but came to abolish the law. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Even Paul states in Romans 3:31 that we are to uphold the Torah/instructions /law.

No matter what you choose to believe, the fact remains that YHWHs laws, His Torah/Instructions are still in effect and never nailed to the cross and never done away with.

To say that Jesus/Yeshua did this, you are saying that He negated His Father and therefore disqualify Him as the Messiah.

Jesus/Yeshua NEVER negated His Father, NEVER did away with His Fathers Law/Torah/Instructions and tells you clearly in both Matthew 5:17 and Matthew 7:21-23 the Law is still in effect and if you teach otherwise, you will be the least in the kingdom according to Matthew 5 and according to Matthew 7, you risk hearing “get away from me, you workers of lawlessness”.

Jesus is standing in front of you. Behind him is the kingdom of God. He asks you, “Why should you be allowed in here?” And your answer is?

If your answer is, Lord I kept the Sabbath on Saturday, or I abstained from certain foods, or I kept these feasts and holy days, or clothed and feed the poor, you will not enter in. Because it is Jesus who purchased us with his righteous blood and we can take no credit for salvation. Any good works that we do should be for the glory of God and by doing so we also build up our treasures in heaven. But, if your entrance into the kingdom of God is based on your own efforts, then that person will never enter in. Even with the Scripture that you used you demonstrate that:

“Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants. On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

In the Scripture above, their very response to the Lord reveals why they will not enter in:

” Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ ”

Those in the example above, believe that they will have the right to enter into the kingdom of God because of their own efforts as can be seen by the words “Didn’t we.” But the right answer and attitude should have been, Lord, Lord, didn’t you shed your blood for us. This is the only way that anyone can receive salvation and the promise of eternal life and that by faith in the shed blood of Christ. Anyone who is attempting to work to enter in, never will.

You all need to go back and read Roman’s, Galatians, Hebrews and all of the other Scriptures that is written regarding the subject of Grace vs. works. My only claim to salvation is the shed blood of Christ, for He paid the price in full purchasing me for God. When anyone trusts in their own works as a requirement along side of his payment, then that person will not enter in. Jesus he is not sharing the credit and that is what a person is attempting to do when adding their own requirements. As I said before, by doing so, they are basically saying that Christ’s sacrifice was insufficient.

From the responses of so many people, I can see why so many will not enter into the kingdom of God and that because they don’t understand salvation. Salvation is a free gift from God, so when a person believes that they must do good works in order to obtain it, it is no longer a free gift, but something that is trying to be earned. Anyone who is trusting in works is not trusting in Jesus.

“Now to the one who works, their wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.”
(Rom.4:4-5)

Don, What is it that makes you totally unable to see any of this?? That actually is not a fair question since the vast majority of the Christian Church suffers from the same blindness. You are mixing scriptures with your short-sighted understanding of what you are reading. Everything you need to know concerning all of this, especially on a rudimentary level, is contained in the question I am asking of you below. I am sure you will not see it, either due to blindness or an unwillingness to actually deal with it.

What did Messiah do away with when He shed His blood for our sin sacrifice, once and for all?

Exactly, as it shows clearly in the writings of the Apostles, over and over again. The very sections of scripture Don is spending most of his time on studying. How can people study scripture, to the degree we know many on here do. and totally overlook or not see what it clearly says? Scripture does say that to Ephraim, who is scattered among the nations (goyim), that the Torah is a strange thing. Explains a lot….

Don,

I would still like to hear your response! Looking forward to hearing from you.

Al said:
“What is it that makes you totally unable to see any of this?? ”

I would ask you the same question.

The word of God goes into great detail showing that we are saved by grace through faith and this not by our own efforts. It is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast. Yet, so many people refuse to let go and trust in Christ’s sacrifice alone for salvation. And by doing so, it will have the opposite affect on the one who is trusting in their own works. That is, it will keep that person from of eternal life. Anyone who goes to the Lord with their works as a means of salvation and they will be cast out. Now before someone says anything, we should have a natural desire to perform good works because the Spirit of God dwells in us, but those works should be done to glorify God and of course benefits those to whom the good work is being done. And by doing so we also build up our treasures in heaven. But as i said, if anyone is doing goood works as a means for earning salvation, they will fail and that because Jesus alone provided salvation for us be the shedding of his blood and he’s not sharing the credit. He also fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law, completely fulfilling it, so that we are no longer under the law. The law couldn never save anyone and only brings wrath to those who attemp to keep it and that because no is able keep the law.

You have called me blind, accused me of mixing Scripture, being short sighted about what I am reading, accused me of being at a rudimentary level and yet, you don’t know anything about me, about my studies nor about my walk in Christ. It is obvious that this is the same way you approach Scripture

Regarding Rom. 2, your post seems to infer that the Gentiles have some other kind of law. All the Scripture is saying is that, the Gentiles who don’t have the written code (Law of Moses) are attempting to keep the law, where the Jews who have the law are not keeping it. It is the same law.

“So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.”

Jesus summed it all up with Love, the Lord Thy God with all thy Heart and With All thy Soul and Strength on these hang all of the laws and Love Thy
neighbor as thyself…….

Jesus had said also, The Greatest is Love

Faith Pleases God

Our Righteousness is as filthy rags as I have read and there is no not
one who is Righteous for we are all Sinners saved by the free Gift
offered by God to us…….Jesus is the only Righteous One……

Though they have the Faith to Move Mountains and Though they
speak in other tongues still the Greatest of All is Love……….

Faith is to Believe that He is Believers

The Jews from the Prophet Isaiah I believe 51 describes Jesus to
a tee…….The believers of Jesus brings us to the New Testament
So the Jews who did not believe are still waiting for their Messiah
and so God offered the Free Gift to the Gentiles……

Jesus first went to the Jews…….He was dealing with them
and very strongly and flipping their tables over…..

Jesus had said, “He who lives by the law is bound by the law…..

They could not receive Him even with the miracles

Jesus had said, Love Oneanother…….

The Passover Lamb for us all……

I do believe He is coming very soon as well.

Job was a trial and testing of His Faith in God
showed us a real enemy exists…..God had Blessed Him so very
much and the enemy basically asked God if He could have Him
and God had allowed it with one exception….He couldn’t
kill Him……He was tested to the max, even His friends thought
He must have done something wrong for all that had happened
to Him…….Job questioned God…..God showed Him His Awesomeness
of the Heavens in the Stars…..Then Job was Blessed double fold
afterward……God knew Job and This was a real Test of Job’s
belief in God…….

The Heavens Declare His Glory

So much I do not know nor do I always understand
God had said, “lean not to mine own understanding in all
my ways to Ackowledge Him and He will direct my paths:

Your lawless dialogue continues on. Let’s take a look at what lawlessness has specifically done to the “Christian” nation-America.

The shedding of innocent blood in America through abortion:

21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to fMolech, and so profane the name of your God: am the Lord. (Leviticus 18:21)

“Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you.” (Ezekiel 35:6)

Cutting and Tattooing:

The epidemic of cutting and tattooing in America! We have a generation of young girls all the way down to 12 years of age and some younger, all the way up to women in their 30’s who self mutilate their bodies with sharp instruments, because they “can’t cope”! That’s over simplified but it will suffice for now. References to cutting in scripture have to do with demon possession. Tattooing has to do with piercing the skin and mixing ones blood with ink.

New International Version

“‘Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

Homosexuality: America is so far gone in this, we have and are making homosexual marriage THE LAW of the land. I read yesterday that 300 prominent Republicans are pressing for laws enforcing gay marriage.

Leviticus 18:22

22 You shall not lie with a male as [a]one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Romans 1:25-28

25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [a]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [b]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [c]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [d]indecent acts and receiving in [e]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [f]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper

Did you get that! Not following His instructions amounts to His people not acknowledging Him anymore. Yah gave them over to this because they refused to obey His Word. His instructions (laws) were never meant to take the place of the shed blood of Messiah, but rather to keep us on the right path in this world we are now in.

Unfortunately, you (and most of the Christian Church) are an unwitting pawn of the enemy, but yet you feel this holiness in your endeavors. You need to get some understanding in all of this. You are doing more harm than good when it comes to the unlearned and unstable. You are doing nothing less that promoting lawlessness of the most vile nature by your generalized comments that Yah’s eternal Word has been nullified and rendered useless. It is this thinking that has gotten America where it is today and will be the reason we, as a nation, will be destroyed, even as Sodom and Gomorrah in the very near future! Wake up Don!!!

First of all, you are already on the wrong track. Not being under the works of the law of Moses does not equal free reign for a person to do whatever they want. Anyone who thinks this way, as Paul said, their condemnation is deserved. We are not under the Law of Moses, we follow in the new way:

” But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”
(Rom.7:6)

If we are walking as Christ walked, we will not be living according to the sinful nature. I’ll use myself as an example, I don’t get up an reread the ten commandmants to make sure that I don’t fail at them. I have never put myself under the law nor have I ever done good works in order to earn my salvation. I am confident that Jesus made the payment for my sins in full and there is nothing else that I need to do to complete his sacrifice. If I sin, either by deed or thought, I confess it and he is faithful and just to forgive and to cleanse me of all unrighteousness. So let me be clear, not being under the law of Moses is not a license to continue in the acts of the sinful nature. Just so you understand that, because I don’t like it when people wrongly accuse me and that because they don’t understand.

Furthermore, all of those people and their actions above that you give as an example are not Christians, but people who are living according to the sinful nature. They are surely not following after Christ! My teaching is that we are not saved by fulfilling the works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ apart from observing the works of the law. Attempting to meet the requirements of the law is trying to earn salvation by your own efforts. That’s what I teach! I have not taught nor condoned all that you have mentioned above. Those people above are living according to the sinful nature, plain and simple. For if they were true believers, they would be following Christ and would be fighting to keep their flesh under control in order to stay in step with the Spirit.

Anyone who is trusting in their own works as a means of obtaining salvation will not enter into eternal life and that because they are essentialing saying that Christ’s sacrifice was insufficient.

I hope the day finds you well! We know that Yah began His commands with man, right after Adam was created. He did not offer His Words to Adam as a suggestion or just a good idea for him to follow, but rather with a forceful COMMAND with a dire warning attached to it if he didn’t keep it. Adam was basically perfect in his ways at this time and the Ruach of Yah was present in him. He knew fully what was going on. Even with all of that, the first man and woman failed when approached by the enemy.

Yah ended scripture with his final command to man. He did not offer His Words to Man as a suggestion or just a good idea for him to follow, but rather with a forceful Command with a dire warning attached to it if man didn’t keep it, concerning adding to or taking away from His Word. Even with all that, only the remnant will enter the Kingdom as those honored as faithful son’s and daughter’s of the King. But with them, will also be those who are considered least in the Kingdom for having approached His Word (Commandments) with a willful disregard.

Yahshua said this concerning His Word:

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 14:23
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

Zechariah 14:8-9, 16-20

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. 9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day HOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD Almighty.

Notice if you will Don, a forceful Command is given with a dire warning attached. All of this occurs during the Millennial reign of Messiah in the 7th day.

The Commandment has always been with man and will always be,
until sin and the enemy are eradicated at the end of the 7th day!

This will be a tough time for any who decide Yah’s Commands or Feasts are “abolished” and done away with! None of us are above or outside of Yah’s Commandments. If you believe you have that special place, you will of necessity, find out the hard way. If the words of the Apostles don’t seem to line up with the Words of Messiah, take a guess at where the breakdown occurs!! I find it interesting that the Christian Church, at least for the most part, disregard the Words of Messiah in this instance, and cling solely to what they choose to believe the Apostle Paul is saying. If Paul’s words don’t seem to agree with Messiah’s words, you had better dig a little deeper and throw off your predisposed understanding of things!!

Well written and true of today……I had just read an
Astonishing 1968 Prophecy by a 90-Year-Old Woman and it can be
found on the internet much of which has already come to pass….
Well worth the read……All very true…..sad to say as I read and
she wept in the end…..A Nation who turns from God shall fall.

Though we are truly in the last days leading up to the day of the Lord, the 6th seal cannot take place until the previous seals are opened. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be unprecedented events. The darkening of the sun is not going to be your typical solar eclipse, nor is the darking of the moon going to be your typical lunar eclipse. As I said, these events will be unprecedented and not calculable.

The 1st seal is the emergence of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse which is totally different from the rider on the white horse of Rev.19:11 who is the Lord. That being said, we have yet to see the 1st seal opened. Next is the rider on the red horse who is given power to take peace from the earth so that men kill each other. And I don’t believe that it is just referring to armies fighting each other, but people in general. That he is given a large sword, means that his campaign is world-wide, that is, peace will be taken from the whole earth. Then we have the 3rd seal which is literal famine. Seal number 4 is an accumlation of the previous seals and will result in a fouth of the worlds “immediate” population being killed. That would be over 1.5 billion people. Suffice to say, this has not yet taken place. The event of the sun, moon and stars at the 6th seal must take place after those events just previously mentioned and so the world must see those events take place first in order to make the claim of the 6th seal.

Hi
I wish this was true…but if this is true then Paul was uninformed. And then all scripture is not inspired because Paul wrote most of the New Testament. Read Romans 10 and 11. In that context Paul was clear on the point that the Jews who rejected Jesus are not saved.

I believe that Israel as a nation will be converted in the end times under the reign of Antichrist (Zechariah 12). I believe Israel is Yahweh’s apple of His eye. To take “after life experiences” as superior to what the Bible teach is very dangerous. We may teach something which will lead to eternal destruction and damnation of people. The book of Romans is so clear on the point of salvation: it was never by obeying the Law but by a trusting faith in the Lord that people are saved. In other words: relationship with God. This is the only way how we can obtain righteousness with God.

That is assuming that you take the scriptures literally, which of course Judaism does not (with respect to the Jewish Bible). In addition, early Christian philosopher Origen also said that the Genesis story was allegorical, although many Christians believe otherwise. Therefore, one has to ask themselves where did the Israelite scribes of 500B.C. (or so), who first wrote the Genesis story, get the story from? After all, after the Genesis story there is a very large gap (any oral tradition of this period is totally missing), other than info on the family tree some of which is not even right, until you get to Abraham at which point there apparently was some oral tradition about Abraham and his descendants that might have been handed down from generation to generation. The oldest texts of any kind, that anyone knows of, are the Sumerian texts and the Bible tells us that Abraham and his ancestors came from Sumeria. So it would only be logical to read the texts that might well have served as the basis of the Israelite oral tradition on Genesis. The real story might surprise you.

Almost, by definition, it changes nothing. As Arthur Schopenhauer stated, “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

These are hard discussions and have been around since the days of Messiah. There might be disagreement on some pretty important things, but at the end of the day, we are all still brothers and sisters in Messiah! In His time, He will reveal all things to His people.

Thought I would post this for any who would care to read it. Most don’t want to know these things, much less spending time reading it. But, with that said, anyone waiting for a rapture to take them out of here, before the trouble starts in earnest, really needs to consider what is really coming and what it means for Yah’s people. Don’t get me wrong, there will be a catching away, but not until the very end!

Great post. I’ll share it on a Facebook group filled those who belief in fables.

Zep 2:3 “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD’s anger.”

The Day is about to begin. If folks know the times and seasons – then when it begins. If they know the Word then they know about His provisions. Note: Israelites during plagues in the land of Egypt, including all those frogs, 3 days of “darkness” and the first Passover.

I think and believe you’ve participated in providing an answer to a prayer request with one of your resent posted replies and a link.

The link leads to a very long essay and many Scriptures quoted within. I’m in agreement with the link you provided – Egypt/plages are a foreshadow to coming events. I’m a child of light not of darkness.

When reading through the linked essay I found these two quotations (coincidence) side by side –

Isaiah 26:20-21 “Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity…”

Zep 2:3 “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the LORD’s anger.”

I became very familiar with Isaiah 26:20 and 21 about 2 years ago. It is one of the insights for why the wise virgins remain in the house and protected from the indignation, while the foolish virgins go out looking for oil (Matthew 25:1-10).

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the Lord.

Here is what is about to unfold.

“And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, as the Lord has said, among the remnant whom the Lord calls” (Joel 2:31-32).

So, here is what I’ve learned from your post/link and share with you –

For some time I’ve prayerfully considered this passage, asking Him, “What should I be doing?”

From 1st Thessalonians 5:1-10 in the NKJV and Expanded Translation –

“But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness” (NKJV)…

“But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness [Spiritual darkness], and so that day will not surprise you [or overtake you] like a thief. You are all people who belong to the light [L children/sons of the light] and who belong to [L children/sons of] the day.

We do not belong to the night or to darkness. So we should not be like other people who are sleeping [spiritually], but we should be alert [awake] and have self-control [sober]” (Expanded Translation).

What are we (children of the light) to do?

# 1 Be alert

Everybody is alert these days.

Everybody has an opinion on the end time news and prophetic interpretations. There is so much posted and discussed about little events and big news items, leading so many to say “we are in the end times.” Yes we are.

Today, the news is all about CERN!

There is so much “noise” with all the watching and posting of events.

BUT —- there is more to do. This is what I recognized as an answer to prayer from your post and link.

# 2 Have self-control.

A practical application of “self control” is fasting with prayer. It is an act of humility, giving up food as a practical way to deny self and seek Him.

Also, please see Joel 2:12-17. This passage is for Israel (remnant) but also for me in the USA (belly of the Beast, 666).

# 3 We should wear faith and love to protect us [L put on the breastplate/body armor of faith and love], and the hope of salvation should be our helmet [Is. 59:17].

It’s called obedience Don. Yes, YESHUA’S blood paid my debt so now I honor His Sacrifice by following and OBEYING HIM.

Many in Christianity are taught that all they have to do is believe and leave out the part of obeying because according to them the Law/Torah, YHWHs instructions are nailed to the cross, which is a lie.

“How do you fit this into the second exodus of Jeremiah and the ‘bringing into the wilderness’ of Ezekiel, which is speaking to the ‘whole house of Israel’ ? shalom – J”
Jeremiah 23 1-8

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
23 “Oh no! The shepherds are destroying and scattering the sheep in my pasture!” says Adonai. 2 Therefore this is what Adonai, the God of Isra’el, says against the shepherds who shepherd my people: “You have scattered my flock, driven them away and not taken care of them. So I will ‘take care of’ you because of your evil deeds,” says Adonai. 3 “I myself will gather what remains of my flock from all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their homes, and they will be fruitful and increase their numbers. 4 I will appoint shepherds over them who will shepherd them; then they will no longer be afraid or disgraced; and none will be missing,” says Adonai.

5 “The days are coming,” says Adonai
when I will raise a righteous Branch for David.
He will reign as king and succeed,
he will do what is just and right in the land.
6 In his days Y’hudah will be saved,
Isra’el will live in safety,
and the name given to him will be
Adonai Tzidkenu [Adonai our righteousness].
7 “Therefore,” says Adonai, “the day will come when people no longer swear, ‘As Adonai lives, who brought the people of Isra’el out of the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As Adonai lives, who brought the descendants of the house of Isra’el up from the land to the north’ and from all the countries where I drove them. Then they will live in their own land.”

Matthew 12:30-32
30 “Those who are not with me are against me, and those who do not gather with me are scattering. 31 Because of this, I tell you that people will be forgiven any sin and blasphemy, but blaspheming the Ruach HaKodesh will not be forgiven. 32 One can say something against the Son of Man and be forgiven; but whoever keeps on speaking against the Ruach HaKodesh will never be forgiven, neither in the ‘olam hazeh nor in the ‘olam haba.

We see the same message given in Jeremiah and in Matthew. It is a warning to make sure we are “gathering” and not “scattering” Yah’s sheep-His people. We know that Ephraim and Judah each went their separate ways during the days following Solomon’s death, by the will of Yah, and so it has been until our time. The end of days is not singularly about the Jews (House of Judah) OR the Christians (Ephraim-House of Israel) as separate entities. It is about the restoration of ALL ISRAEL-both Judah and Ephraim as one in Eretz Yisrael.

Those of Judah and Ephraim who preach-teach-or endeavor to keep apart Yah’s people, through the teaching of replacement theology (the Christian Church) or an attitude of superiority or exclusivity (Orthodox Judaism) concerning their brothers and sisters, and continue to do so, will come under judgment and be seen as rebels, choosing to scatter (keeping apart) rather than gathering (bringing together).

We find Messiah saying in Matthew 12:31-32 that the words He is speaking are of Him, the man Yahshua, but come from the Ruach HaKodesh-His Words are Spirit!
John 6:63 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
63 It is the Spirit who gives life, the flesh is no help. The words I have spoken to you are Spirit and life….

When Messiah speaks He exhales words (His spoken-written words) that are received by man on either a natural level, that are understood according to our worldly carnal thinking, or they are received (inhaled) as intended, through and by the Spirit. Most of Ephraim (the Christian Church) and Judah (The Jews) do not understand this and make their “religious” decisions based on a lack of understanding, and find themselves, in their zeal for Yah, to be working against Messiah-Ruach HaKodesh, all the while thinking they are serving and pleasing Him.

Ephraim having received the atoning blood of Messiah for salvation through the Spirit of the Word, but rejecting the Torah based on their natural, carnal worldly understanding of laws written on stone; that which was old replaced by the new, causing the Christian Church to be blinded to Messiah Yahshua, the Torah as something transitory, by the will of Yah for His purposes!

On the other hand, Judah reacting the exact opposite of Ephraim, receiving the Spirit of the Word regarding Messiah, the Torah of Yah, while rejecting Messiah the Lamb of Yah, according to their natural, carnal worldly understanding of the Word. The Jews thus being blinded to the fact of Messiah Yahshua, their sin sacrifice, by the will of Yah for His purposes!

We know that Ruach HaKodesh was given, in His power, on Shavuot (Pentecost) to those of Israel assembled in the upper room 50 days after Passover (Messiah our salvation). It is also believed that on Shavuot, the Torah (Messiah the Word-Torah) was given in His power at Sinai by Messiah Yahshua the Lawgiver, 50 days after the first Passover, to all Israel.

I believe that in the Greater Exodus that Yah will heal His people and bring us to a place of wholeness, restoration, and unity; that in the wilderness, on some Shavuot, Judah and Ephraim who are blind to Messiah the Lamb or Messiah the Word-Torah respectively, will see and receive the fullness of the Spirit of that which they are lacking.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Revelation 12:17
And the Dragon raged against the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her Seed, these who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua.

I basically see two different groups of people going into the Greater Exodus:

Those who keep the commandments of Yah and have the testimony of Yahshua-the Assembly of Philadelphia.

Those who are counted as rebels-the Assembly of Smyrna.

Ezekiel 20:34-38

34 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered—with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath. 35 I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and there, face to face, I will execute judgment upon you. 36 As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will judge you, declares the Sovereign Lord. 37 I will take note of you as you pass under my rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant. 38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

Look at verse 38-

38 I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

A rebel is someone who is rebellious to the authority they are under. In this situation, the authority is YHWH-MessiahYahshua-Ruach HaKodesh. Why would YHWH bring those who are rebellious to Him, into the wilderness if His intention is to purge them out of His assembly? I believe these rebels are those listed in the Assembly at Smyrna. They are the ones who are scattering through replacement theology (the Christian Church) or their exclusive claims to the Halacha of Yah (the Jews).

In the wilderness, Yah will plead (make His case) with those who are rebels. If they reject their rebellious ways and begin working towards the “GATHERING” of “ALL” Israel and stop “SCATTERING”, they will no longer be counted as rebels and will be allowed to enter Israel with the Assembly of Philadelphia. If they (the rebels) refuse to obey, and the Assembly of Philadelphia has already left for the marriage supper of the Lamb, the rebel’s only hope is to be faithful unto death. They will realize at that point that they missed it and that the only way into the Kingdom is through 10 days of tribulation, from Feast of Trumpets to Yom Kippur. Those who refuse at this point are counted as rebels and will not enter Eretz Yisrael! Those who endure and overcome are ushered into the Kingdom and are no longer considered rebels.

This does not take into account our personal salvation, as we will all pass under His rod of correction. All of this is specific to the discussion at hand.

Another voice, another choice
To listen to words somebody said
Another day, I replay, one too many doubts inside my head
Am I strong, beautiful, am I good enough
Do I belong after all, that I’ve said and done
Is it real when I feel I don’t measure up
Am I loved

I’m runnin’ to the One Who knows me
Who made every part of me in His hands
I’m holdin’ to the One Who holds me
‘Cause I know, ’cause I am
I know who I am
I am sure, I am Yours

Turnin’ down, tunin’ out
Every single word that caused me pain
Unashamed and unafraid
‘Cause I believe You mean it when You say
I am strong, beautiful
I am good enough
And I belong after all, ’cause of what You’ve done( I am beautifully and wondrously made. . .altogether beautiful , no flaw or blemish. . all because of YOU. . Your finished WORK. . .JESUS )

This is real what I feel
No one made it up
I am loved ( it’s YOUR TRUE LOVE )

I’m runnin’ to the One who knows me
Who made every part of me in His hands
I’m holdin’ to the One who holds me
‘Cause I know, ’cause I am
I know who I am
I am sure, I am Yours
I know who I am
I am sure, I am Yours

Fearfully, wonderfully, perfectly
You have made me

I’m runnin’ to the One Who knows me
Ya-a-ay
I’m holdin’ to the One Who holds me
Holds me holds me-e-e-yay

I’m runnin’ to the One Who knows me
Who made every part of me in His hands
I’m holdin’ to the One Who holds me
‘Cause I know, ’cause I am
I know who I am
I am sure, I am Yours
I am sure, I am Yours ( Held secure by the power of YOUR TRUE LOVE )
And I know who I am
( . . . AND ALWAYS WITH A HEAVY HEART GROANING(DEEPEST PASSION) DESPERATELY CAPTURED IN FOREVER FOR YOUR TRUE LOVE )

In the bible we read about the young The Rich Man. He reasoned that he was OK. . . and should be greatly respected. We see that he misunderstood the truth of the two greatest commandments.

Matthew19:16 Someone came to Jesus with this question: “Teacher,what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
17 “Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One Who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” the man asked.
And Jesus replied: “‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. 19 Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.’
20 “I’ve obeyed all these commandments,” the young man replied. “What else must I do?”
21 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. But when the young man heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possessions”.

Keeping God’s Law- living in His Love, requires God’s Life itself.
We can’t do it ! (That’s why we need a Savior).
It can not be performed by us. . .that is why it is not realized.

God says we are blinded. . .and deaf, and are unwilling to open our hearts so He can heal us.So we can have God, be with God, by God, for God. That we may behold His Glory and that His Love may be made full in us!

It is done all by God Himself. (God’s perfect plan of redemption).Jesus

Jesus said not only that He came to fulfill the Law but He came to give us Life. . . and Life more abundantly!
You see the Law is not separate of God, it is God.
In our self alone, we are of ourselves, just by ourself. . . quite in need of the fullness of God. We need God.

Absent of HIS very ESSENCE . . . HIS LOVE. . . HIS LAW. . .HIS perfection.. . we are lost! WE NEED GOD. (^WITH GOD, without God)

Our misunderstanding, like the young rich ruler, is that we are OK, . . and should be greatly respected. Like the young rich ruler, we are missing the power of the truth of the two greatest commandments.

Matthew22:36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

John 15:5“Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing.
23 Jesus replied, “All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them. (INSIDE OF THEM).

OH TO KNOW YOU LORD. . .
“MOST PRECIOUS DAY”. . . today is the day in which we know we are so precious to You our God, we are Your very Own. We are Most dear, holy and innocent, loved and cherished. YourLife itself Lord We are “ the apple of Your eye”. . .Your very Own!!!

It’s the very breath HEH of God, the giving us His very Self. . . His Love/Life, His unspoken essence (His Excellence) that quickens AWE, the Power of God’s Love Himself, TRUE LOVE in us. The outporing of His very Heart. JESUS.

When WE desire and allow our consciousness to tap into the TRUTH. . . God IS ALL and ALL. . . His Love/Life will overwhelm us . . . it becomes our very own, our treasure. What splendor, what Life. . .it is all YOU, glorious Lord God in us.
“Deepest affection and deepest Love “ I am Your very OWN (TRUE LOVE). The power of true love, is our delight, our salvation, OUR innocence and purity. It’s Perfection. It is Jesus.

(Acts 3:19) “Repent, therefore, (Teshuvah) and be converted, Draw near to JESUS, (Teshuvah) that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.” Turn to the One who answers and looks after you. He is Teshuvah, He is our repentance ! He is God Himself. The truest of Love, God’s Love. Our REST our SHALOAM!

The NT tells us that the Crucif. sets us free from the Torah. Yehoshua preached before crucif. that he is the Messiah and that Jewish sinners should repened and turn back to G-d.

= The Crucif. sets me free from the Torah and is replaced with new laws. one law among many others is that I have to take care of poor or weak people according to Matthew 25 so I am not free. I am not allowed to commit adultery etc.

The following scripture is happening now and will continue for a while longer. Notice that Yah will replace the worthless shepherds mentioned in Jeremiah 23:1-3:

Jeremiah 23 1-8

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
23 “Oh no! The shepherds are destroying and scattering the sheep in my pasture!” says Adonai. 2 Therefore this is what Adonai, the God of Isra’el, says against the shepherds who shepherd my people: “You have scattered my flock, driven them away and not taken care of them. So I will ‘take care of’ you because of your evil deeds,” says Adonai. 3 “I myself will gather what remains of my flock from all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their homes, and they will be fruitful and increase their numbers. 4 I will appoint shepherds over them who will shepherd them; then they will no longer be afraid or disgraced; and none will be missing,” says Adonai.

You need to understand, Yah is not speaking here of just the Jews. He is speaking to the House of Judah and the House of Israel-the 10 “Northern” lost tribes-Ephraim (they are all one and the same and are now called the Christian Church) that were scattered (sown) to the Nations, to reap a harvest from the Nations.

Hosea 8:11-12 “Because Ephraim hath made many altars to sin, altars shall be unto him to sin. I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.”

Jeremiah 3:11-18

11 Then Adonai said to me, “Backsliding Isra’el has proved herself more righteous than unfaithful Y’hudah. 12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north: (who came from the North? The 10 Northern lost tribes- Ephraim-Christian Church)

‘“Return, backsliding Isra’el,” says Adonai.
“I will not frown on you, for I am merciful,” says Adonai.
“I will not bear a grudge forever.
13 Only acknowledge your guilt,
that you have committed crimes
against Adonai your God,
that you were promiscuous with strangers
under every green tree,
and that you have not paid attention
to my voice,” says Adonai.
14 “Return, backsliding children,” says Adonai;
“for I am your master.
I will take you, one from a city,
two from a family, and bring you to Tziyon.
15 I will give you shepherds
after my own heart,
and they will feed you
with knowledge and understanding.

16 “‘“And,” says Adonai, “in those days, when your numbers have increased in the land, people will no longer talk about the ark for the covenant of Adonai — they won’t think about it, they won’t miss it, and they won’t make another one. 17 When that time comes, they will call Yerushalayim the throne of Adonai. All the nations will be gathered there to the name of Adonai, to Yerushalayim. No longer will they live according to their stubbornly evil hearts. 18 In those days, the house of Y’hudah will live together with the house of Isra’el; they will come together from the lands in the north to the land I gave your ancestors as their heritage.

Look at verse 13 above:

13 Only acknowledge your guilt,
that you have committed crimes
against Adonai your God,
that you were promiscuous with strangers
under every green tree,
and that you have not paid attention
to my voice,” says Adonai.

There is more to all of this than you realize. All of scripture wasn’t written to just read the letters at the very end of the book! ALL of scripture gives the completed picture of what Yah is doing, not just the letters at the end!

10 But to those who have been joined in matrimony, it is not I who commands you, but the Lord: a wife is not to separate from her husband.11 But if she has separated from him, she must remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband should not divorce his wife.

If you are not allowed to divorce then you are not free from sin.

There is more than 100 verses in the NT that tells us that we are not allowed to sin and many verses that tells us that we will be judged when we die. It is only one verse that tells us that we can not be judged.

One verse against many is simple to understand what path is truth. The wide port leads to hell. The wide port is to live free (protestants).

The verse that tells us that you can not be judged is to get rid of people who does not want to obey the 2700 laws that we Christians have in the Cathechism.

We know from the time of Adam’s fall to Christ’s death that the righteous went to Paradise right next to hell in the lower parts of the earth! There were 3 types of folk who went there, The righteous Jews that followed the law, the righteous “Devout” folk of General Revelation! This aspect is older than Judaism & excisted even into the twentieth century! Also babies & children before the age of accountability! A trinity of righteous folk! All folk before Christ died in their sin nature & carried that nature into Paradise! However we must also look at those that were in Devout General Revelation & babies & young children when they came to Paradise, they were put on the path of becoming Jews & they were taught the Law of Moses ect! I also believe that they had a tabernacle/temple in Paradise like the Jews had on the surface of the earth & in General Revelation & sacrifice was done for the sins of those in Paradise! Yes this Paradise was the “Jewish Heaven” of the Old Testement! It is “understood” that the angels administered & governed Paradise those thousands of years & the sin nature of the humans there was kept under control, Paradise had its laws & rules & an economy & lifestyle was part of it! However when JC died, He decended into hell & took the keys of death/hell & the grave from Satan, then entered Paradise! The folk in Paradise accepted Him first as Lord & Savior, then Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to baptize these folk like Pentecost & then He gave the folk in Paradise “His Innocence” & then He led these folk to Heaven beyond the sky!!!! This “Innocence factor” could not happen on Earth because the Jews were to accept Him as a whole nation & if that would have happened 2000 years ago, the Jews would have had this “Innocence of Christ” on the earth & history of the last 2000 years would have been radically different! Soon Isreal will be saved & this Innocence will come to them! If JC would have aborted His plan to go to the cross! Those folk in Paradise would have become Satan’s slaves & hell would have absorbed Paradise with all its folk! THANK THE LORD FOR GOING TO THE CROSS SUCESSFULLY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE SATAN & HELL WOULD HAVE CLAIMED THE HUMAN RACE 2000 YEARS AGO !!!!!

Dear Ronnie
Thankyou for this writing. The Book of Enoch, which from research
was in the original Bible in Ethiopia and had been removed
from what I have read….I believe in these times it has resurfaced
for a reason and God’s Timing…..Seems with the Times
we are in, The Book of Daniel is for the Times….
Much Happening and all Eyes on the Middle East as it
would be in the end times…..

Carol the Jews were meant to become the first whole nation of folk to have been “born again”! Also to have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit & also the” Innocence of Christ” ! Since He came to His own & His own received Him not a plan B had to happen ! Sometime in the early Millenium the Jews will come into this “Innocence” like they should have 2000 years ago! If that would have happened the last 2000 years would have been radically much different! The message of Innocence is going to be a main message of the Millenium! The Jews will go into the world & proclaim that it is possible now & this is what is spoken in the prophets, that the gentiles will grab the sleeve of a Jew & say teach us! Just like the plan B anointing of the last 2000 years has run its coarse, how much of this Innocence will be on the earth at the end of this 1000 years will determine how spiritually strong global society will be when Satan is loosed again in the short dispensation afterwards!

To all:
Rom. 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, ”“they had not had sin:”” but now they have no cloke for their sin.

John 15: 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, ”“they had not had sin:”” but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Rom. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:””’ for by the law is the knowledge of sin.“”

“”Abraham”” was called out by Faith. A “New Message”

“”Moses”” was commanded to write the “”Law by Faith”” in what God told Him to do. Moses gave the People knowledge of what sin was. So they had no cloak to hide behind and say I did not know that was sin. “New Message” again.

“”Jesus comes”” and said He fulfilled all of Moses commandments in 2 verses. Right back to Abraham’s faith. A “New Message” for Jew and Gentile now.

“”Paul and the Apostles came””. Explained why Jesus had to come – New Message again.
Point – we better understand the “Message for this Hour” or their is no excuse for us either.
ค๓คภ๔ค — You right on target
The Jews and Israel will have to receive a “”New Message”” as well. Believing the same thing Paul wrote and explained about along with the other Disciples.
God would have been guilty to the 1st century Jews. To let the Jew now come in on Moses Message again in our day. That’s a NO DO. Its Jesus Christ and Him crucified. And its about the 2 commandments that Jesus already had told them. The Law was fulfilled in Christ period.

1. We are “Sons of God” and know the truth IN CHRIST and are free from the Jerusalem from below Gal. 4. We living in the Jerusalem that is ABOVE NOW. By faith not law.
2. The Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ gave us is a deeper understanding than the Law ever was. Why would Jesus send them the Law again and set up another stone temple when He has already destroyed it.

Gal. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

Gal. 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor un-circumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Gal. 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Gal. 5:14 For all the “”law is fulfilled in one word””, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Gal. 5:16 This I say then, “Walk in the Spirit”, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal. 5:18 But if ye be “”led of the Spirit””, “”ye are not under the law””.

Gal. 6: 2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so “”fulfil the law of Christ””.

beacon thank so very much
Gal. 6:2 hangs on my wall…..always there Prayers for Oneanothers
Burdens yes…from the Heart and Spirit…..

I believe the scriptures also speak of He who lives by the law
is bound by the law…..

Why, because Satan is a Legalist……has anyone here ever heard
that expression?

Jesus had said, “The Greatest is Love” Though Faith can move
mountains and cast them into the sea, or tongues of Angels
if You hath not Love, You have Nothing…..I remember from
reading the Scriptures……1 Corintihians 13: 48 about what Love
is…..

As well meaning as both of you are, your lack of understanding and the willingness with which you embrace error, never ceases to amaze; and so it has been for 2000 years of Gentile-Greek interpretation of scripture. My thoughts and prayers are with you! I am not going to get into a debate with you over law vs grace. But I will leave you the article below. It is an easy read.

Galatians 6:2 also says and so fulfills the Law of Christ….
Romans 2:28-29 I am sorry as this Scripture concerning circumcision
of the Heart…..as I had spoken about it and hadn’t put the
Scripture with it….

Al, that capital you seems angry and I didn’t come here
to write to be chastised……Jesus came to fulfill all of the laws
and the prophets…He is the fulfillment of it all…..The 10 commandments written on the heart and not to beat people
over the head with them on stone……He took it all on the
cross for me…..I feel Al I am being judged here….

Al, also some thoughts, Jesus Himself had said, “I have not
come into the world to condemn the world.. Condemnation
not But to save the world……Jesus also flipped over the
tables of the money changers, and had a lot to say to
those in the synagogue……Hmmmm They were always
trying to trip Him up with the Laws……as they threw the
woman out in the dirt……Jesus drew a line in the sand
before they stoned Her, and had said, “He who is without
Sin among You, let Him cast the first Stone.”

No problem. I won’t respond anymore. You are extremely defensive, which usually means one thing; all you know to do is parrot what others have said before. When asked what YOU believe, you get defensive because you can’t explain anything, which leads to your self righteous indignation, that leads to insults. But in all of that, no explanation of anything. You did it to me and you did it to Marianne over nothing more than trying to explain what was being said, or asking a question. So be it. I wish you well!

there is no self righteous indignation…..when someone needs
to Capitalize You with quotes I picture someone puffed up
and standing on a pedestal pointing down at someone else….
I feel I guess folks here are so Bible Knowledgeable if
You don’t quote the Scriptures correctly nor learn properly
here then the ones who know so much will be sure to let
a person know for sure……I had seen a t-shirt which had
once said, “Jesus won’t care how many scriptures you can
quote He will care How you treat people…..”
That really stopped and made me think……

Yom Kippur is Day of Atonement. NOT a coincidence that from the day Jerusalem was restored to Israel counting 49 years on 360 day Jewish calendar that it lands on Hashem’s Feast day of Yom Kippur., Lev 23.

What are the odds and what does this mean??

My husband, who has been studying Daniel 9 for many years feels strongly that the “prince to come” in Daniel 9:27 is the anti christ.

The combination of blood moons on Passover to Sukkoth, 2014/2015, the Shemitah year, September 2014 to September 2015 with September 2015 starting a new Shemitah cycle (7years) could very well be pointing to the beginning of the 70th week, tribulation.

Mark Biltz, well known messianic teacher of the Feasts and who discovered the blood moons on the feast days has gone on record stating that he feels strongly that this September, the start of a new Shemitah cycle could be the start of the tribulation.

We need to prepare spiritually and physically and pray that we will be counted worthy to escape all these things.

All the capitals meant, is that I want to know what “you” think for yourself, not what “others” think or what you have been told by others. All I am trying to get you to do is to take a good hard look at what you are reading and understand it as it is written, and that, given what the words fulfill and law actually mean. It was a simple question! If you were offended by my question, that was not my intent. Your response was totally unexpected. I thought we were having a discussion. But I do love your last statement:

“Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah is obligated to observe the entire Torah! You who are trying to be declared righteous by God through legalism have severed yourselves from the Messiah! You have fallen away from God’s grace!

For it is by the power of the Spirit, who works in us because we trust and are faithful, that we confidently expect our hope of attaining righteousness to be fulfilled. When we are united with the Messiah Yeshua, neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is trusting faithfulness expressing itself through love” (Galatians 5:3-6, CJB).

“And as for me, brothers, if I am still preaching that circumcision is necessary, why am I still being persecuted? If that were the case, my preaching about the execution-stake would cause no offense whatever. I wish the people who are bothering you would go the whole way and castrate themselves!

For, brothers, you were called to be free. Only do not let that freedom become an excuse for allowing your old nature to have its way. Instead, serve one another in love. For the whole of the Torah is summed up in this one sentence: “Love your neighbor as yourself”; but if you go on snapping at each other and tearing each other to pieces, watch out, or you will be destroyed by each other!

1What I am saying is this: run your lives by the Spirit. Then you will not do what your old nature wants. For the old nature wants what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit wants what is contrary to the old nature. These oppose each other, so that you find yourselves unable to carry out your good intentions. But if you are led by the Spirit, then you are not in subjection to the system that results from perverting the Torah into legalism” (Galatians 5:11-18, CJB).

FYI – I love the Word made flesh. I love His teachings (Psalm 119). I strive to be holy as He is Holy.

DJ- I appreciate your candor and straightforwardness. It is actually refreshing. My wife and I have been out of town the past few days for our anniversary.

The scripture you referenced above has nothing to do with whether one should or should not keep-observe Torah. It is rather about Justification. There were (and still are) two “basic” groups who are polar opposites:

1) Those who seek Justification through the keeping (observing) of Torah=the Law

2) Those who seek Justification by not keeping (observing) Torah=Law

Since we know that Justification only comes through the blood of Messiah Yahshua as our sin sacrifice, we know that group 1 is not now justified, though they observe Torah, which was given by Messiah Yahshua (Messiah the Word) at Sinai. They are right and wrong, but the wrong outweighs the right. We are meant to keep Torah, which is Yah’s WAY, but it is NOT our Justification (our sin sacrifice) which only comes from Messiah’s shed blood. What Rav Shaul was saying was, the one who trusts in circumcision, for their justification must be able to keep the whole Torah perfectly, which is impossible.

Group 2 on the other hand embraces Justification through the shed blood of Messiah, yet refuses to walk in the way of Torah, Messiah the Word. These who have Justification to enter the Kingdom through the shed blood of Messiah, will do so with a caveat: Yahshua said that those who break the least of these Commandments shall be called least in the Kingdom. We don’t know exactly what the penalty will be for those who refuse to keep “most” of the Commandments.

There is actually a Group 3 which is how Messiah chose for His people to live, even as Rav Shaul (Paul) lived:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Revelation 12:17
And the Dragon raged against the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her Seed, these who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Yeshua.

These are those who are Justified by the shed blood of Messiah and seek to walk in His ways-His Torah-His Law. It has never been an either or proposition, regardless of at least 1700 years of trying to convince the world that it is. If a person who is in this category, falls short, His sins are covered.

Notice that it will be the “remnant”, and not the vast majority. It is hard to read through Gentile Greek eyes and understanding, and arrive at the Hebraic truth of what is being said, since it is through the Hebrews Yah chose to bring His Word and His Salvation to man.

If you doubt that this is talking about Justification, explain the following verse of the scripture you referenced, understanding that vast amounts of men who are Christians fall into this specific category?!?! No one can have it both ways.

“Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah is obligated to observe the entire Torah!”

God sooo loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son…That whosoever would believe would have everlasting life.

What if I gave you five dollars. . .could you use it? How about $10,000 dollars?….or maybe what could you do with $50,000 ?Have you ever considered the life you could have as a millionaire? Think how today, how we even have many billionaires. . .what would you do. . .?

Our life is very self oriented and quite limited and small minded. If you read about the complexity of a single atom, and that a million human cells form us and then research just the little bit about what we know about the vast universe. . .it is just too vast for us to soak it all in.

Now, imagine if you can have God ? What would you really do if you could have God ?

Would you first ask God for youth? Would you ask God to heal a family member or friend? Just think of all the tremendous possibilities. . .if you only had God!

The problem with man and woman is not having God.

Man and woman need God. Man and woman need to be obsessed getting God ! Really having all of God in true oneness with Him.

To have God is to have all righteousness, all completeness, all perfection, all love, the power of true love itself, all life, all faith, all belief, all hope, all grace, all everything that is God !

Nothing else will do. . .nothing else can compete with the unfathomable riches and glory of God !

Why settle for anything else ?

Mary said ( I paraphrase) “ my soul exalts in God my salvation. He has regard for little me, I am just His servant, I am a bond slave (bought with a price) to His true love.”

You’ve referenced a 7 year period know as Shemitah cycle. 7 such cycles is 7 x 7 equaling 49 years. Then, the following year (50th year) begins a year of Jubilee.

“When all the twelve tribes lived in Israel, in their ancestral estates, the year following seven complete Shemittah cycles—the fiftieth year—was observed as Yovel, the Jubilee year.

During Yovel, too, the land was not worked, as during Shemittah. In addition, during the Yovel year all slaves were freed, and all fields and houses sold during the past fifty years were returned to their original owners. Unlike Shemittah, however, the Yovel year is no longer observed. When is the next Jubilee year?”

So, let’s see if there is a cycle of 7 x 7 and a Jubilee Year in the past 100 years.

Begin with 1917 and the Balfour Declaration:

“His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

“The initial draft of the declaration, contained in a letter sent by Rothschild to Balfour, referred to the principle ‘that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people’ (Stein, Leonard (1961). The Balfour Declaration. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 470.)

1917 is a Jubilee year. The Hebrews begin returning to the Promised Land as a result of a proclamation.

50 years later = 1967 and another Jubilee year.

“The liberation of Jerusalem in 1967 marked the first time in thousands of years that the entire city of Jerusalem, the holiest city in Judaism, was under Jewish sovereignty. The destruction of Jerusalem was a watershed event in Jewish history that began thousands of years of mourning for Jerusalem, so, it follows, that the reunification of Jerusalem should be a joyous celebration that begins the process of reversing thousands of years of destruction and exile. Jerusalem is central to the Jewish tradition. Jews face in the direction of Jerusalem and all of the prayer services are filled with references to Jerusalem.

“Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes “the Days of Awe”).

As Pastor Mark explains – We are seeing Blood Moons: Passover and Feast of Tabernacles occurring in 2014 and 2015 on Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in back-to-back years. There was a “Sackcloth Sun” visible over EU and Jerusalem on Spring Equinox, 2015.

Where is a Blood Moon and Sackcloth Sun revealed as a sign in Revelation?

When the sixth seal opens. There is no other reference to a Blood Moon and Sackcloth Sun in the book of Revelation except during this time frame.

It would seem that Day of The Lord (Joel 2:31) begins at some point/day after the last Blood Moon, occurring on Feast of Tabernacles, 2015 (Hebrew calendar – Tishri, 5776).

It seems that there is not another 7 year cycle beginning after 2015/2016. There is one more year to follow known as the “Day of the Lord” before Jubilee.

All things will be complete (Matthew 24) within the generation that see the budding of the fig tree.

When my Handicapped Son’s Father who was harsh and with
held His Love from His Son and Deserted Him and My Heart
was shattered for Him Father’s Day I had shown this Letter from Our
Father To You for Him….He cried and I cried with Him….
I can only say, We can Pray for His Dad to come to know
Jesus……Lot’s of pain with broken hearts and many wounded
walking around …. People do need the Lord which is also
a very beautiful song and utube…..

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

who do not walk according to the flesh [man]
[walking away from an old home to enter new home],

but [walk] according to the Spirit [God].

2 For the law of the Spirit of life (Spirit of God, Power of God) in Christ Jesus has made me free from (the sewer water and chains of ) Law of Sin and Death.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh [man], ( man can’t get out of it)

God did it

by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh[man], on account of sin: He condemned sin [man] crushed it in the flesh [man], (man is crushed-dead)

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us (Jesus empowered and confirmed the perfectness of God’s Law confirming that it is righteous and fulfilled it by executing the rule of law- that sin had to be punished condemned)

who [now] do not walk according to the flesh[man] but [walk] according to the Spirit[God].

5 For those who live (staying around) according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh [man] [self],

but those who live according to the Spirit [God], set their minds on the things of the Spirit [God] [power of love,life and peace . . .God’s perfection, righteousness].

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal [man’s] mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God [ law of Spirit of life], nor indeed can be !

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God [ because they remain bound / chained by the law of sin and death].

9 But you are not in the flesh but [walk] in the Spirit [God], if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you ( THE POWER OF God’s LOVE deepest affection, deepest love ).

LET GOD’S TRUE LOVE DOMINATE AND ABOUND

Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

10 And if Christ is in you, (CHRIST DOES IT !) the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness [God] [perfection of God].

11 But if the Spirit of Him [GOD] who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead . . .

will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit [God] who dwells in you.

Live by the prompting and power of God. . . deepest affection, deepest love.

I am a s African Jew, I’ve adopted three Afrikaaner boys whose family was murdered. I love them, don’t force conversion or anything. My love comes from God, whose love is unconditional, pray for us all and may the God who neither sleeps nor slumbers bless us all.

Jesus was Jewish….First the Jew than the Gentile….
Jesus came to us through the Jewish people…
Jesus also said, “If You hath not Love, You have nothing.”
God is Love beyond anything I can begin to comprehend
so great is His Love…..and as You wrote, Love is unconditional…
and what Love You have for these boys…You have a big
Heart to adopt these children….Beautiful…
Prayers and Blessings
I’ve been reading of the Prophets Jeremiah, Amos, Isaiah
and as reading Jeremiah, I feel Our Nation has turned
away from God….I am not saying all people…Leadership
Jeremiah, as I was reading was encouraging the
people to turn to God……The nation is taking down the
ten commandments…..very sad of this…

I am learning still….I think of God and the Passover and
freeing God’s people from Egypt…Divine protection
and of Moses….