The most convincing UFO video footage we have.

The Jerusalem videos were shown to be a hoax. The people behind it also confessed.

edit on 27-12-2013 by RUInsane because: (no reason given)

can you link to this confession?

A person would have to be pretty darn gullible, if not stupid to believe a alien spaceship hovered over what is probably the most holy places in the
world, a place that people visit 24 hours a day if not to just to stand outside. And there are only what 2-3 very short videos, from what seems to be
pretty far away posted online by website that is known for hoaxes?
A website that claimed bigfoot is a alien?

jhn7537
Hey man... I still stand behind this one too. I posted this earlier because I've never believed the oil rig theory. The pilots stated that the
objects were accelerating/deaccelerating around them and that they weren't just stable points...

Please point out where they said that.
According to what I've read, none of the pilots saw the targets themselves.

I have never seen UFO footage as convincing as my own experiences. I don't think I ever will in this age of technology. Very little is unquestionable
or impossible to recreate with the right CGI. I feel bad for those that are looking for proof in this way. Seeing is not believing.. Seeing is KNOWING

I'm searching for the article that discusses just that. Can't remember exactly what link it was under, but I'm looking... This article below came
from the AP.. And it states that the objects were allegedly all around the jet.

A videotape made widely available to the news media on Tuesday shows the bright objects, some sharp points of light and others like large headlights,
moving rapidly in what appears to be a late-evening sky.

The lights were filmed on March 5 by pilots using infrared equipment. They appeared to be flying at an altitude of about 3,500 meters (11,480 feet),
and allegedly surrounded the Air Force jet as it conducted routine anti-drug trafficking vigilance in Campeche. Only three of the objects showed up on
the plane's radar.

``Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before,'' said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a
taped interview made public Tuesday.

``I couldn't say what it was ... but I think they're completely real,'' added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator. Vazquez
insisted that there was no way to alter the recorded images.

The plane's captain, Maj. Magdaleno Castanon, said the military jets chased the lights ``and I believe they could feel we were pursuing them.''

When the jets stopped following the objects, they disappeared, he said.

A Defense Department spokesman confirmed Tuesday that the videotape was filmed by members of the Mexican Air Force. The spokesman declined to comment
further and spoke on customary condition of anonymity.

The video was first aired on national television Monday night then again at a news conference Tuesday by Jaime Maussan, a Mexican investigator who has
dedicated the past 10 years to studying UFOs.

``This is historic news,'' Maussan told reporters. ``Hundreds of videos (of UFOs) exist, but none had the backing of the armed forces of any
country. ... The armed forces don't perpetuate frauds.''

Maussan said Secretary of Defense Gen. Ricardo Vega Garcia gave him the video on April 22.

Accounts of what actually happened varied wildly. Skeptic publisher Michael Shermer appeared on CNN three times the week the story broke.
“Initial reports indicated that the UFOs were only discovered upon later review of the footage after the flight,” Shermer said. “Subsequent
reports stated that the pilots saw the UFOs during the flight, but nothing much was made of it until the infrared footage was later reviewed. Still
later reports claimed that the pilots not only saw the UFOs during the flight, but that they chased them, were surrounded by them, but were unable
continue the chase. It was like a fisherman’s tale, growing with each retelling.”

So they may have changed their initial story, that they
didn't actually see anything during the flight.

My first guess would be the involvement of Maussan and his affiliates.

edit on 28-12-2013 by Arbitrageur because: clarification

But like us all on here, I'm not just believing for the sake of believing. If this incident can be explained in a manner I find to be a legitimate
reason, I will change my stance 100%. The last thing I want is to believe or be pushing some false story. I just don't believe the oil rig theory,
especially with some of the statements I've read with my research over time. Could I be wrong? Of course. Could I be closer to the truth than the
oil rig theory? definitely, but who knows... There's still research to be done.. And I am a firm believer that 99% of the stories we see on here
today and on YT are hoaxes or fakes or can be explained, but this story just has so many interesting angles to it.

The US pressured them to change their story from not seeing anything at the time to seeing the objects flying around the aircraft? Any idea why the
"US" would pressure them into doing that?

I may have misunderstood the other poster. I thought he was stating that the Mexican pilots changed their story from seeing something to not seeing
anything... I haven't had time to checkout his source yet.

jhn7537
I just don't believe the oil rig theory, especially with some of the statements I've read with my research over time.

If you are able to
provide convincing statements that might influence others to your point of view, however the quote I provided about the statements changing casts
doubt on different versions of the stories being told, doesn't it? In other words, inconsistent statements and stories are not very compelling, are
they?

In this case, it's prudent to rely on the physical evidence. When we do that, the oil fire explanation is compelling enough to cause a professional
research organization like NARCAP to issue a statement like this:

Let me ask you this. The infrared camera clearly shows 11 objects, and the oil rig theory states the cause being from the 11 burning fires at the oil
rig. During the time of the 11 objects being captured on infrared camera they had radar hits, but from only 3 of the 11 objects. If these objects
are all just fires at the oil rigs, wouldn't you think they would all be on the radar screen and not just 3? I feel like here it should be an all or
nothing type situation...

At aproximately 17:00 PM the Merlin C26A detected an unknown traffic at 10,500 feet over Ciudad del Carmen, Campeche airspace and according to the
protocol and suspecting a drug dealer airplane Mayor Magdaleno Jasso made a maneuver to approach the unidentified traffic at certain range to get a
close look and record the target with their equipment. At the same time Mayor Jasso reported by radio to the base that a posible suspect was detected
requesting the interceptor planes to be in alert condition.

The RADAR AN/PS 143 BRAVO VICTOR 3 was detecting the unknown traffic and the FLIR STAR ZAPPHIR II was recording the object in infrared. As the Merlin
C26A tried to approach the unknown traffic to make a visual identification it suddenly in a surprising maneuver escaped flying away at tremendous
speed. By this time Mayor Jasso tried to persecute the target but it was very fast. All this was being recorded by the FLAIR and also the radio
conversations with the base describing the inexpected maneuver of the unknown. However the C26A still have not made visual contact with the unknown
object.

Just some moments passed when suddenly the unknown object returned and began following the Merlin C26A in a surprising situation. This was detected by
the RADAR and the FLIR while the personal aboard were trying to make visual contact of the unidentified traffic now following them. In seconds the
equipment detected now not only one but two traffics following them. The images in both RADAR and the FLIR were clear and unmistakable. But both pilot
and personal still could'nt have visual contact with these two traffics following them adding a great suspense to this disconcerting situation.

Yturria is misleading people and himself because he knows that the lights and radar contacts are not related in any way as this webpage and many
other sources have shown.

There is no relationship. For you to expect there is one indicates you are likely a victim of Yturria's propaganda.

That page also answers your earlier question about why the experiment you and Dr. Maccabee would like to see probably won't ever happen...potential
embarrassment:

Even UFO proponent Dr. Bruce Maccabee seems to have become more receptive to the oil well fire hypothesis:

...he may be correct in identifying the lights as oil field fires. Notice I said "may". In my opinion it is premature to state a conclusion.
An important experiment has not yet been done to test the oil fire hypothesis. (Maccabee)

His experiment has to do with the Mexican military reproducing the flight. I doubt the Mexican military is going to do this because it has potential
embarrassment written all over it. Maybe Maussan can shell out some cash to reproduce the flight. I would not hold my breath based on his track
record.

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