Comments on: At What Population Size Does Taxation Become Legitimate?https://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/17/at-what-population-size-does-taxation-become-legitimate/
A libertarian news aggregation service.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 02:10:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: Skelly790https://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/17/at-what-population-size-does-taxation-become-legitimate/#comment-10298
Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:35:00 +0000http://www.libertariannews.org/?p=9635#comment-10298I suppose I’d better explain that statement: There is a perfectly legitimate basis for taxation in that there aren’t an infinite supply of natural resources. If there were then any person could mix their labour with those resources and completely own the product. But when ‘John’ creates goods for sale from those resources he deprives another island dweller of the opportunity to do the same, and thus he must compensate them through the medium of taxation. This is not to say he does not legitimately own the greater part of the result of his labours, but owe a part he certainly does.
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Sun, 12 Feb 2012 16:13:00 +0000http://www.libertariannews.org/?p=9635#comment-10297It would have to be a very, very large island to fulfil the requirements of the Lockean Proviso…
]]>By: Don Cordellhttps://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/17/at-what-population-size-does-taxation-become-legitimate/#comment-8973
Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:27:00 +0000http://www.libertariannews.org/?p=9635#comment-8973Even the Mayflower passengers sat down to write how they would share the ruling of the new community, so if 100% agree, I believe that is honest agreement. IF each citizen says I’ll contribute so many fish hooks, to finance a school, to pay someone to build the school, and then to pay someone to teach the children. BUT if even one citizen objects, then any taxing for anything is wrong. We have citizens now who have no children, but agree that it’s best for the community that all children be educated for the future of the community. Thats great as each person pays exactly the same amount, regardless of income. We want streets, we vote to have someone to pave the street. In early America we had toll roads that paid the person owning the road for his labor to maintain the road. As the community grew larger this became impractical. In California we vote on many laws and taxes, then the government does exactly what they want and tell us we don’t know what we want. Now we have Jerry Brown for governor again, no justice for us. As President I will demand and get the right to pass or not pass any bill brought before me. Or else.
]]>By: Larken Rosehttps://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/17/at-what-population-size-does-taxation-become-legitimate/#comment-8951
Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:44:00 +0000http://www.libertariannews.org/?p=9635#comment-8951Keep in mind how convoluted and complicated the statist indoctrination has to be in order to make people imagine that theft is bad, but mass theft is good. The fact that the vast majority of people recognize theft as bad AND at the same time advocate some form of “taxation” is a testament to the power of authoritarian propaganda. Great job making the truth hard to miss. One more thing I like to add, to make statists squirm, is this: “If it’s okay for someone to be robbed to give you free stuff, then at least have the honesty and courage to do the robbery yourself.” Not surprisingly, while most people will eagerly vote for “legal” looting that benefits them, they really don’t want to have to take on the responsibility and risk of committing the theft themselves. To be perfectly blunt, to be a statist is to be a hypocrite and a coward.
]]>By: Let's Get Honesthttps://www.libertariannews.org/2011/08/17/at-what-population-size-does-taxation-become-legitimate/#comment-8872
Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:43:00 +0000http://www.libertariannews.org/?p=9635#comment-8872(got here from a USAIC hit on my own site). I’ll share this with my kids, although the material has been discussed before.

The “Education wars” are necessary because otherwise more children would figure out the fish hook situation faster; (a) they might be actually literate and (b) they might have time to do something besides values indoctrination.

Seriously speaking, I have spent a few years getting some answers to my “why?” or “how did THAT! happen?” and a lot of this figuring out included time on databases from the Dept. of HHS and/or USASpending.gov (neither of which are reliable, but they are eye-openers). I am aware that this HHS spends approximately $4 billion year on enforcement — not support, but enforcement– activities surrounding welfare, that there is a $2/$1 (for what a $ is worth anyhow) incentive to keep people ON welfare, including those who didn’t ask for it — through the invasive and abusive OCSE (Office of Child Support Enforcement).

We (i.e., I have friends who also do look-ups) also are aware that this telecommunications / IRS-based agency of the federal government has an expansionist policy on centralized “SDU” (Statewide Distribution Units) of child support, and (nationwide, do the math) local county child support agencies are often losing track (average per state — around $2 million, although no one really knows the amount!) of money they’ve already collected; the term is ‘UDC” (Undistributed Collections). One would think a black hole of this size would truly concern anyone concerned with budgets, period — however, the HHS/OIG/OAS (that’s the audit service) having barely audited a sample of counties in sample? of states — expresses in their reports very little concern that the children (for which reason their entire department allegedly exists) are not getting these funds, merely that the Feds are not getting their 66% take.

Education — look at the teachers’ unions contributions to politicians (Obama, etc.). I had a custody war based around this, a life-changing one, where I lost contact with my children for about the last 5 years of their high school; they have since both turned 18 and gotten back in contact (voting with their feet, in other words). Come to find, grants to the states to equalize the therapeutic outfits under the guise of “courts” has been going on since at least the mid 1990s. There is a clear intent by select people (and foundations) to put the entire US, if possible, at their feet to be trained not to fight back, and cause ripples. The term in use is “high-conflict.” High-conflict is bad and must be bred out of the populace by removing children from whoever protests (one or another form of abuse or insanity).

The outfits doing this do so because they obtain nonprofit status to do ( in many cases) their already-mandated by public employment jobs. I have a certain satisfaction, of late, to find out some of these groups being shut down for delinquent, incomplete, or non-filing of their own mandated IRS 990s, or failing to even bother to register as a charity, as they are required by law. Eventually I came to understand that the problem lies with the tax code, which sets up a patronage system, and a carrots & sticks routine, if you buy into it.

Anyhow, you might enjoy reading some of http://familycourtmatters.wordpress.com. I enjoy writing it, particularly as part of what I write seems to have (recently) forced a few groups emanating from SF to straighten up and fly right — or at least, on the radar, which they now are. These groups have inappropriate financial relationships with judges and the courts.

See also Joseph Zernik, DDS on the undermining of the court system through technology; dual-docket system (no one gets to see the real records) and automatic filing of pleadings, unmonitored by the hand of any clerk. WE are in a hijacked and lawless judicial system at this point. I am so glad my kids survived til they were 18, changing the extortion hold this system (and certain individuals) held on my life through causing and threatening to cause more harm to people I am related to by having given birth to them, or vice versa (elderly parent).