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Yes, I did some searching and it turns out "悪" is Chinese "惡", which can mean evil but I was concerned about nuances in the context or translation that would confuse me. But I can see what you / the interviwees are getting at - Mikono does mess up a lot, for example, she really was not helping in ep1+2 by freaking out and telling Amata to run before she finally got it together. I also found her jealousy in episode 5 extremely cute but clearly she could and should have dealt with that situation better.

Mecha-otaku part of me kinda worry of "school life" episodes because there will be small chance to have proper battle scene on it; but on the other side I'm probably okay if it means we'll get more character and relationship development

I don't think you'll need to worry about that, somehow the old Aquarion manages to throw in a Mecha battle at the end of every school day episode

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More fan arts...

Good find

But that... 'Cat'(?)... It really does seem to get around...

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I can't confirm the source material being fake or not fake, but the translation with it here is both incomplete and what is translated seems a bit off (unless there's context we're missing). I'm not a real translator -- understanding is easier than translating -- but I'll take a whack at a couple things.

First, as was already mentioned, translating "マリー曰く「ミコノは悪い女」" as "According to Mari, Mikono is an *evil* girl" seems a bit aggressive (the *evil* part). That's a bit too strong and overly-specific for what's literally there, which is a fairly vague "Mikono's a bad woman" (which still comes across too strong in English).

Then there's this part:

...which that approximate translation basically skipped over. In-context, this is someone paraphrasing some more of what Kaji said, but isn't a direct quote from Kaji. I already paraphrased the last two lines earlier, but a fuller paraphrase (so paraphrase-of-a-paraphrase from a blog post summarizing an interview in a magazine, lol), would be:

Spoiler for TN Notes:

"TN" Notes: please note I'm not a real translator, so I'm just trying to communicate the gist of it as I understand it. A real translator could probably find a way to translate this without needing to include notes like this, and I apologize for any mistakes.

頑張り屋さん means someone who tries really, really hard, with the implication of there being some kind of adversity / it being kind of a struggle. So in this context there's an implication Mikono's going to try really hard but not necessarily pull it off.

天然悪女 is maybe more literal "natural villainess", but "natural" in the sense of unintentional/accidental, not "born evil". You'd usually see 天然 as an abbreviation for 天然ボケ, which means "natural idiot" (or "airhead", as commonly translated). Compared to English the meaning "natural" (天然) here is more "what you do without thinking/without conscious intent", whereas in English saying someone's a "natural X" tends to imply more conscious intent.

The overall sense here is that Kaji started out quoting Mari Okada directly with the "Mikono is a bad woman" line, then tried to backpedal a bit, but even then felt compelled to essentially throw his hands up and imply "well, in any case she's unintentionally responsible for some bad stuff".

As always, I'd prefer a proper translation to my paraphrasing, but I hope that makes what I was basing my guesses on a bit clearer for everyone. It jumped out at me b/c it's the kind of thing I could easily believe the writers would say: once it's pointed out it feels obviously correct -- a *very* good characterization of Mikono so far -- but it's hard as a viewer to be that precise this early on.

Moving back to the discussion: as much as I want to see a grief-tricken Mykage go into fully-fabulous berserker mode, I agree it'd be a shame to kill Kagura off anywhere as early as that halfway point, if only because he does have a cool character design. Beyond that though, eh? He's like Zessica insofar as we haven't seen enough of his personality for me to have a strong opinion on him one way or the other.

Good explanation, I got some of the stuff from before, but it's good to have it properly explained.

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Yes, I did some searching and it turns out "悪" is Chinese "惡", which can evil means but I was concerned about nuances in the context or translation that would confuse me. But I can see what you / the interviwees are getting at - Mikono does mess up a lot, for example, she really was not helping in ep1+2 by freaking out and telling Amata to run before she finally got it together. I also found her jealousy in episode 5 extremely cute but clearly she could and should have dealt with that situation better.

Hmmm if that's the extend of her 'Evil' then we would be making mountains out of molehills because that's call being human, not mess up.

Mess up is like what Luke did in the first part of Tales of the Abyss, or the Trojans when they let that horse in.

She could make a bigger mess than she has - I hope she doesn't. But my point is that the hints there, unfortunately, and yes, her flaws are very human, even understable and charming in a way, but they are unfortunately flaws nonetheless.

wowser, you fella's really piled on the posts since I last ventured into here I guess I don't have the time I used to to speculate with you guys, so forgive me if some of these quotes appear old (I have a habit of keeping browser tabs open for weeks, so I just want to clear these up )

Yeah that's the same thing I thought after ep 01, these writers aren't even trying to hide the obvious For example:

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But, in the next ep, I feel like I want to see Zessica flirt with Amata,

lol his arm went on the side of her breasts, not in the valley

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causing Mikono to go tsun tsun jealous,

Sure we didn't see this in that ep 04 preview, but you know it was going to happen, so don't be surprised if they finalize the trope by having Andy get hurt and he goes "tch, that was uncool of me, eh?" and then Mixy-chan dere'ingly calls him "baka" while cradling his his injured self

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- Okada Mari's script is often so extreme that he ends up having to change it. (For instance, Amata sticking his head up Mikono's skirt in episode 3 was originally meant to be done into Mikono's crotch....???)

That sounds like something I would write and put on the air regardless of the pressure, I mean why not? It's not like they showed her pantsu either

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Well, Mikono's only real experience with Amata is that only feelings related to women make him fly. She doesn't know that it's strong emotions that set him off, no matter what type.

I actually only see 2 types, one is the typical male response to female skinship, the other is his "Mikono is my waifu" desires at least what the present Amata is showing us. I wonder what was it that made him fly when he was a kid....

Speaking of Mikono, I find that Kagura funny with his sniffing fetish. But I'll tell ya one thing, Kagura: you ain't smell nothin' unless you sniff some pantsu *runs*

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Just dropping by to say that Kirino-Mix is one hot lady.
Kudos to the character designer.

Spoiler for D-don't look at me like that, you pervert!:

Mixy-chan

Aw, I've been waiting since Monday for a good stitch of this, I guess it's not easy (yeah I tried, I quit after I deemed it too time consuming in the little time I allotted)

Yamamoto:
- There's a meaning to the "cats".
- "Who's whose reincarnation" will eventually become much clearer, rather than just suggested.
- Episodes 7~9 will be fun, school-life episodes. From there on out, the story will take a more serious turn and by the half mark, a shocking development will unfold.
- Okada Mari's script is often so extreme that he ends up having to change it. (For instance, Amata sticking his head up Mikono's skirt in episode 3 was originally meant to be done into Mikono's crotch....???)

Kaji:
- According to Okada Mari, Mikono is an evil girl. (???)
- Zessica's feelings will keep evolving from now on.
- From the way he talks in the interview, it sounds like Zessica's "turn" should be coming soon.

Man, that's Okada for you wwwww

Thanks for the info~ rep for Jo0

Spoiler for Thoughts about the spoiler:

Yamamoto:
- There's a meaning to the "cats".-- as in --all the other animals died so long ago, you can't remember them and call only call them "cats"?
- "Who's whose reincarnation" will eventually become much clearer, rather than just suggested.---Now that intrigues me. the fact that they haven't said outright makes me suspect the main leads aren't who we think they are--
- Episodes 7~9 will be fun, school-life episodes. From there on out, the story will take a more serious turn and by the half mark, a shocking development will unfold.--that's not too different from the original series
- Okada Mari's script is often so extreme that he ends up having to change it. (For instance, Amata sticking his head up Mikono's skirt in episode 3 was originally meant to be done into Mikono's crotch....???) --I don't see how that's much different than the head up the skirt. His head was still near her crtoch

Kaji:
- According to Okada Mari, Mikono is an evil girl. (???) --Believe it when I see it. Or do they mean Mikono will pull a "Sirus" on us?
- Zessica's feelings will keep evolving from now on.--So the LT is Mikono/Amata/Zessica? I wish they would tell us already!!!
- From the way he talks in the interview, it sounds like Zessica's "turn" should be coming soon.--Her turn? It sounds kind of dirty to me--or maybe I'm just a perv

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like the idea of Kagura getting killed off -- and anger over this changing "fabulous Mykage, stealer of your women" into "furious Mykage, destroyer of your world" -- but that seems unlikely (unless Kagura's just a clone/android/whatever and there're like 10 more Kaguras in cold storage, but that also seems unlikely).

OMG YOU NEARLY KILLED ME!!! I am allergic to these thoughts

why do you want to kill the only bad ass character in the Evolverse? I VOTE NO!!!!

- There's a meaning to the "cats".-- as in --all the other animals died so long ago, you can't remember them and call only call them "cats"?

But then why the guys seem to know what a cat actually is? Or maybe cat is the new word for "animal".

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- Okada Mari's script is often so extreme that he ends up having to change it. (For instance, Amata sticking his head up Mikono's skirt in episode 3 was originally meant to be done into Mikono's crotch....???) --I don't see how that's much different than the head up the skirt. His head was still near her crtoch

In Japanese it was written "from the front". Probably they were implying one instance of muffdiving. Anyway, I think it happened even in Genesis also Apollo had already kissed once by that episode, Amata is unlucky

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- According to Okada Mari, Mikono is an evil girl. (???) --Believe it when I see it. Or do they mean Mikono will pull a "Sirus" on us?

I think it is a matter of nuances. That adjective also means "bad". Maybe she just starts being all "Amata-kun, do this for me" "Amata-kun, please do that for me"

I think it is a matter of nuances. That adjective also means "bad". Maybe she just starts being all "Amata-kun, do this for me" "Amata-kun, please do that for me"

Ah, I think that makes sense, as I really can't see her pulling a fast one on us by becoming 'evil'. Honestly, I feel like Okada used 'evil' in such a vague manner in order to disorientate the fans for the lulz.

HK is actually my birthplace and it is really nice to see that episode 5 has a pretty good and realistic adaption of Hong Kong XD

And this series has quite of lot of silliness moments But it's pretty enjoyable.

So far I think I can understand the series without the need to know anything beyond basic from the first series....guess this is a good sign for ppl who did not have the opportunity to watch the first series..

I think I will keep watching...

P.S who's the sheryl-look-alike person? There is probably too much info in the first couple episodes so I actually forget her role in this series XD

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P.S who's the sheryl-look-alike person? There is probably too much info in the first couple episodes so I actually forget her role in this series XD

Oh the actress in the Aquarion movie, right? She's idolized and was taken from Amata, and she's apparently idolized by the other side too.
No idea what her role is in the end though.

I also just noticed the whole Sazanka-Ranka shenanigans. I (finally) see what you did there, Kawamori.

Regarding the spoiler

Spoiler for speculation:

I feel like when they say "bad", it's either that she's unintentionally a bit annoying (read:naive/inexperienced, messes up her chances with Amata) and/or in the way Ranka was "bad"- she wasn't really, or she meant well, but it made her a sort of antagonist for a while. Then again, I'm not sure why they'd go down that route again, unless Kawamori's trying to make a more likable Ranka-like character (but if he were, it's a success so far).

Or she's not as sweet as we think and ends up with Kagura. Or she's Scorpius. Which would be fun. It would be too simple if the leads are just the old leads reincarnated after all.
I don't know, I'm just guessing

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many thx...it just never occurred to me that the actress and the one taken away from Amata are the same person...somehow I thought the scenes where the woman disappears to the sky was Amata's dream/memory about the the first series.. (the reincarnation stuff)...it's just that when I see her appear on the other side as well, I know something doesn't add up XD

Thanks for the clarification, and once again thx for bringing me into the series XD (the avatar )

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@SkullFaerie
many thx...it just never occurred to me that the actress and the one taken away from Amata are the same person...somehow I thought the scenes where the woman disappears to the sky was Amata's dream/memory about the the first series.. (the reincarnation stuff)...it's just that when I see her appear on the other side as well, I know something doesn't add up XD

Thanks for the clarification, and once again thx for bringing me into the series XD (the avatar )

Haha, no worries, I'm glad you ended up liking it

You know, I probably would've thought something like that too, if I hadn't seen the first series, and there wasn't anyone like that xD Well, but we still don't really know who she's supposed to be, since all we know is she was an actress, she went away (unclear if she was taken or just went), Amata idolized her and the Abductor-guys idolize her and in their world projections of her are rare.
She could be their queen bee for all we know, or Amata's mom, or sister, idol. She could be Gandalf in disguise for all we know.
She'll be an important (in function or action) side character, that's for sure.

A little thought on Mikono being called bad. It could just be that she refuses to simply hold back her feelings for Amata like neo-deava wants. considering that her and Amata are the ones who could truly bring out Aquarion's power. that would be very counterproductive if it causes it to keep going berserk.

Or it could be that her unknown element is something that is more dangerous for them. Something very useful to the abductors whether she is willing to help them or if they have a way to force her to keep using it for them like a machine that will just keep it going for them.

concerning the actress. The flashback shows her being abducted by Aquarion rather than the abductors with Amata chasing after her. The opening also shows her asleep in some kind of liquid which likely means she is still alive but being held captive more likely by Neo-deava than the abductors. Perhaps her and Amata are actually from the abductors planet. Amata somehow ended up being brought over during or after the abduction of the actress.

I like this idea and think it'd add a lot to the story if something like that happened. Or something like Mykage and Zen are each missing some piece(s), and wind up playing some chess between each other to try and collect a full set.

In re: Kagura, I can't shake the sense he's not a true resurrection, but maybe some kind of synthetic clone/android. The likely meaning of his name and the idea of "a wedding in mourning clothes" (e.g.: sacrifice ritual?) contributes to this, and there's also the way he reacted to seeing Amata's solar wings back in ep1 (it seemed like a stereotypical "wow, he's the real thing? Let's see what he's got!" reaction).

In re: Mikono: I don't think Mikono's seen the version of Cayenne's vision where she turns into a skeleton, has she? If she hasn't, her reaction to Kagura makes a lot of sense: all else aside, Mikono's in love with the idea of destiny and fate and all that, and he's her future husband in that vision.

And, I can easily see her insecurities leading her to ask Amata to do something he shouldn't to "prove his love". Maybe even likely, given how much talk about "forbidden" things this show has had so far (forbidden names, forbidding meetings, forbidden powers, love forbidden, etc.). Not too long until we have a new episode to pick apart.

In re: Mikono: I don't think Mikono's seen the version of Cayenne's vision where she turns into a skeleton, has she? If she hasn't, her reaction to Kagura makes a lot of sense: all else aside, Mikono's in love with the idea of destiny and fate and all that, and he's her future husband in that vision.

And, I can easily see her insecurities leading her to ask Amata to do something he shouldn't to "prove his love". Maybe even likely, given how much talk about "forbidden" things this show has had so far (forbidden names, forbidding meetings, forbidden powers, love forbidden, etc.). Not too long until we have a new episode to pick apart.

The first part is interesting - I agree you might be onto something there. But she also saw herself looking sad and dressed in black for the wedding, so she might have some pause about that vision. But it could lead to her being more likely to "give in to fate" even if she does not do anything active to make the vision come true or love Kagura.

I can see the logic in the second part too but I can't agree with that reading of her charatcter. My reading of her so far is that based on the nature of her insecurities she's more likely to blame it on herself "I'm useless, I don't deserve to be loved by Amata-kun..." It would more likely if her insecurities lead Amata to do something crazy to prove his love, making her an "unintentional villian" in a sense that it is her passive acts, not active acts, that cause disaster.