I was hesitant to install Steam, but now I can't imagine playing games without it. All the games I might want are available in one spot for easy download. I have bought games from Amazon and activated them on Steam just to have them all in one location. The games you buy from Steam are already updated so you don't need to worry about that and if you don't want them to be updated in the future, you can turn it off. Best of all are the sales occurring several times a year. The bargains are downright amazing. I did buy a couple boxed games a while ago that had to be activated on Steam to play. I thought it was a fairly simple process well explained on the Steam site.

It's the condition that it's forced upon the player. We spend money for a game and can't wait for it to get here and then all these rules. If steam were so good players would rush to join. While installing steam I gave an email I knew wasn't working -mine doesn't work, for some reason- and steam got mad then I got mad and so the standoff. The extras st. offers I don't want-I don't need. If a player evolves he/she knows what they like and sales aren't important.

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Being an old school gamer I was reluctant to try my first Steam title a few years ago, also there is a bit of the "Cant teach old dogs new tricks" aspect with me and I'd hate to be that way so shrugged that off and went for it, but I was worrying about nothing, there are more Pro's than Con's with Steam IMHO.

One Pro was after my recent unexpected PC crash and rebuild, all my games are backed up including configs and game saves ready to be downloaded again, or if bandwidth is low, just install from the CD and Steam will patch it up for you.

The sales are good if you are on a budget and you are even allowed to sell on your Steam games nowadays, heck Steam will even check to see if your hardware has the latest drivers if you set it up that way as well as check for game updates.

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I was reluctant to use Steam for many years, too, and that's why I didn't get to experience Half Life 2 until recently. My prejudice against Steam vanished when I bought some game or another a couple of years ago - can't remember which one - that required Steam, and it all developed quite naturally, linking me automatically to the Steam site and asking me to download Steam, and so I did. Now I'm really happy with Steam and rarely have problems with it.

I have a PS4 I bought off my son as he preordered it due to the Microsoft blunder (although he since has purchased the ONE as they have rolled back much of their demands)but I have not really played anything on it yet. With that said I have fooled around with the unit some and I do like the feel of the controllers much better than the PS3 controllers and better than the ONE controllers.The screens load considerably faster than the PS3 and are beautiful on the big HD screen. It is very obvious it has much more processing power then the PS3. I understand the PS4 will play 1080P and I can believe that. My sons ONE will do 720P and I do notice the difference even on the screens outside of any games.The browser is much faster than the PS3, although it does not support Flash so YouTube videos won’t play and there is no app like on the PS3.It only reads plays blue ray disks so games will be in that format. You do need to join the PlayStation Plus to access the internet which is an extra cost per year. I was hoping "The Witness" would be out soon after launch but no go for that game yet. Some of the bigger ticket games such as Destiny, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3 has been delayed (Destiny until September 2014 which is the one I was most interested in - the others until sometime in 2015). This also applies to the ONE for many of the games too. I will probably start playing on the PS4 when Final Fantasy 14 comes out for the PS4. My daughter plays 14 now on the PS3 and quite a few times in a busy area players and mobs do not load and the 'fight' is over before she even knows anything is going on so it will be interesting to see what the difference the PS4 will make. My son absolutely does not like the Kinect and finds it very intrusive and was not aware it could be removed to play games. It can even tell who a person is just by how it learns how you walk around and will say hello to either my son or his wife and startle them at times. They told me it was "creepy"An amusing item with the ONE - my son will be playing a game and his wife will tell the dog to get 'off' of a piece of furniture and the ONE unit will acknowledge her word 'off' and turn off in the middle of his playing. Needless to say he is working to have the machine learn only his voice commands. Sorry for the long post (I feel strangely verbose today) and not really say much other than there is not much out game ways for either unit.

Edited by RNL (12/17/1310:03 PM)Edit Reason: Spelling - as usual sigh

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You do need to join the PlayStation Plus to access the internet which is an extra cost per year.

Isn't PlayStation Plus optional? With the PS3 you can sign up to the PSN network for free, which gives you internet access and multi-player capability. Joining the Plus group is an extra service with free games and suchlike. I would hope that the PS4 would be the same?

If you want to play multiplayer on the PS4, you will have to get a PS+ subscription. I was very sorry to hear that since I enjoyed playing multiplayer in Journey and Dark Souls. It wouldn't have been as much fun without it. I believe that multiplayer stays available without subscription in PS3.