Really liked "Broke". Is the film that all rookies from all leagues should be required to watch before the season starts. On a side note, Bernie Kosar looked like shit. He was sweating profusely during the entire documentary and really looked like someone who would do sexual favors for $5.

Because it's the kind of argument that shows off rhetorical skill more than reveals meaningful connections. All there is to it is some general rhetorical comparisons between bodies in use and commerce and a loose, argument-serving definition of prostitution. And if you make your definitions sufficiently wide, you can argue that any paying job is prostitution. Which can be a fun thing to do with friends, but, you know...

Actually I don't find most jobs to be terribly different in the way they function from prostitution so you're not off from where I actually think. That said I do think from the consumer side of things and how that effects the producer there is an extraordinary amount of similarities here (I'd lump acting, modeling, and probably a few others in there).

knives wrote:Actually I don't find most jobs to be terribly different in the way they function from prostitution so you're not off from where I actually think.

Funny how occupations involving payment for services resemble each other.

knives wrote:That said I do think from the consumer side of things and how that effects the producer there is an extraordinary amount of similarities here (I'd lump acting, modeling, and probably a few others in there).

That wasn't my intention. I was mostly highlighting that when discussed as your job especially from a point of desperation to continue it of course you're going to look like a $5 whore and DX's statement was really just a well yeah situation. Someone's who is forced into retirement before they want to often acts the same way.

Well, the biggest difference between sex work and other fields is that sex workers are often impoverished, generally treated as social lepers, and suffer outrages rates of sexual assault and physical abuse as part of their line of work. Athletes, on the higher levels, are amongst the most lionized and highly paid people in the world and, while they suffer from pressure to abuse their bodies at times, are rarely actually assaulted in ways that aren't built in to their professions. So it is more surprising when a famous athlete finds his- or herself in a position of desperate need than when a sex worker does.

knives wrote:That wasn't my intention. I was mostly highlighting that when discussed as your job especially from a point of desperation to continue it of course you're going to look like a $5 whore and DX's statement was really just a well yeah situation. Someone's who is forced into retirement before they want to often acts the same way.

Well, the moral of the story is that Kosar, as well as most of these other athletes, should have never been in that position of desperation. They earned millions of dollars and instead of saving some of that money, they wasted it in ridiculous ways. These guys have become "prostitutes" because of their own short-sighted "investments" and idea of how long of a career they would be having.

The only thing that bothered me a little was that a lot of blame was thrown around at goldiggers, family members, investors and posse, but the athletes who went on record about being broke didn't accept that most of the blame fell on their shoulders as they are professional adults and should have known better.

matrixschmatrix wrote:Well, the biggest difference between sex work and other fields is that sex workers are often impoverished, generally treated as social lepers, and suffer outrages rates of sexual assault and physical abuse as part of their line of work. Athletes, on the higher levels, are amongst the most lionized and highly paid people in the world and, while they suffer from pressure to abuse their bodies at times, are rarely actually assaulted in ways that aren't built in to their professions. So it is more surprising when a famous athlete finds his- or herself in a position of desperate need than when a sex worker does.

I'd say the important difference is that other jobs aren't paying you to perform sex acts for the gratification of another. Being desperate for money might lead you into prostitution but is not in itself prostitution. Seems like some people used metaphors to jump from A to B, but then somewhere along the way forgot they were using metaphors.

I'm with Sausage on this one. Throw that statement into the pile of immature attention seekers such as "Republicans, Democrats, what's the difference?!" and "Why isn't there a 'White Entertainment Television'?"

I would have too, but the guy's message to the filmmakers was rather cryptic. It's probably more likely it was something he did on his own, if at all of course. It's interesting how the competitive spirit can corrupt off the field.