The claim will be that he isn't responsible for it because it will be "inherited" even though it was Obama that reopened, stuffed it into, or signed legislation that made all this happen in FY2009.

The lag between actions and their implimentation is actually pretty large. Most things Obama passes in his budget actually won't happen until next year. However the Democrats passed continuing resolutions on that large last bill and also put the stimulus into effect this year. The claim will be that Obama "inherited" all this debt but it will have been placed there by him and the Democrats by inserting it into FY2009 which should have been done while Bush was in office. Instead they added it after Obama took office and thus he is rightly responsible.

Nick, I think that you should post without any punctuation at all. It should serve your breathless scorn of everything that isn't Republican very elegantly.

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The claim will be that he isn't responsible for it because it will be inherited even though it was Obama that reopened stuffed it into or signed legislation that made all this happen in FY2009 the lag between actions and their implimentation is actually pretty large most things Obama passes in his budget actually BARACK OBAMA IS A CUNT won't happen until next year however the Democrats passed continuing resolutions on that large last bill and also put the stimulus into effect this year the claim will IT'S NOT OUR FAULT WE WILL NEVER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING be that Obama inheritated all this debt but it will have been placed there by him and the Democrats by inserting it into FY2009 which should have been done while Bush was in office instead they added it after Obama took office and thus he is rightly responsible.

Perhaps it reads better on the iPhone that way but on my LG Dare it reads just fine with punctuation.

Got anything to add yet?

Maybe the lack of punctuation might save us some money considering how long those red bars are getting under Obama.

Maybe punctuation will help us understand why the CBO calls Obama a huge liar and notes that the deficit will be no where near the "half" mark of "only" half a trillion a year he claims will be "fiscally responsible."

Good thing, since that was never my intent. Why don't you start talking about the issues now? Or can you?

Listen buddy I've talked these issues to death. There's no point anymore. Bush proved himself to be a loser and we're living the end result. Dancing on the line as you pretend to be is old hat also. It doesn't matter with your types as you ignore the facts presented to you from the opposition and just regurgitate rhetoric.

Without the need for difference or a need to always follow the herd breeds complacency, mediocrity, and a lack of imagination

Listen buddy I've talked these issues to death. There's no point anymore. Bush proved himself to be a loser and we're living the end result. Dancing on the line as you pretend to be is old hat also. It doesn't matter with your types as you ignore the facts presented to you from the opposition and just regurgitate rhetoric.

I wasn't aware you were being forced to participate in this conversation.

There you go. Now Jazz is starting to get it. "You're a secret Republican, lost the election and the past is the future" aren't really logical arguments or even arguments at all. They are ad-homs, circumstancial ad-homs and nonsense.

There you go. Now Jazz is starting to get it. "You're a secret Republican, lost the election and the past is the future" aren't really logical arguments or even arguments at all. They are ad-homs, circumstancial ad-homs and nonsense.

Well sometimes people aren't as apart from a particular viewpoint as they like to think or present themselves as.

Without the need for difference or a need to always follow the herd breeds complacency, mediocrity, and a lack of imagination

And this is a rationalization about why we should buy the circumstancial ad-hom.

No one is right or wrong because of which political party they do or do not belong to so claiming they are being misleading about that is pointless. It is like saying I'm being misleading about being a woman instead of a man because being a woman makes you right and being a man makes you wrong.

If it doesn't make you right or wrong, lying about it still doesn't make you right or wrong.

Me: Being that doesn't make you right or wrong.
You: Yeah but he is still misleading about the thing that doesn't make you right or wrong.

And this is a rationalization about why we should buy the circumstancial ad-hom.

No one is right or wrong because of which political party they do or do not belong to so claiming they are being misleading about that is pointless. It is like saying I'm being misleading about being a woman instead of a man because being a woman makes you right and being a man makes you wrong.

If it doesn't make you right or wrong, lying about it still doesn't make you right or wrong.

Me: Being that doesn't make you right or wrong.
You: Yeah but he is still misleading about the thing that doesn't make you right or wrong.

Give it up and get a point.

Sorry but much others the difference between him and the republican point of view is small.

It didn't make much difference to him when I said I wasn't democrat but registered independent.

Without the need for difference or a need to always follow the herd breeds complacency, mediocrity, and a lack of imagination

How many more promises does Obama have to break before his supporters snap out of it?

I don't consider campaign promises as sacred trusts, more as advertisement to highlight the differences between candidates. As such, any exaggeration is understandable.

As far as the actions of the current president, the underlying philosophy is different only in when the pain will set in... conservative leaning folks would rather take the hit up front, others would rather postpone the pain 'till later.

My position is that taking the hit up front would provide a better lesson to folks, taking the hit later would possibly provide a buffer for the pain. I am concerned that borrowing against future earnings could leave us unprotected if those future earnings fail to materialize, but that's something no one can predict with absolute certainty.

As for supporting the president, he wants to do the best for the country, his goal is to leave office with the country stronger than when he took office... what's not to support?

I'd prefer to have a fiscally conservative executive office, a socially liberal legislative branch, and a centrist judicial branch, but things change, the pendulum swings and time passes. Supporting folks that dedicate themselves to public service shouldn't be considered "political", but if you only support those folks that mirror your own philosophy then you're a selfish ass who deserves to be unhappy 50% of the time.

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And here's the hard part.
Try answering any of these questions without sarcasm or being condescending.

Apparently many here are full of "fail" when it comes to the hard part.

I don't think anyone expected the Obama Administration to "make it all better" instantly. Anyone who did is obviously delusional.

I do think that one can observe the actions taken over the course of a few months and form an opinion as to whether those actions are taking us in the right direction.

I was vehemently against the first unconstitutional "bail out" enacted before Bush left office. I did not support that policy because I knew it set a dangerous precedent that the next president would use to expand government even more. I was screaming at the TV when Bush was making excuses for the blatant intrusion of government into the private sector. Frankly, I do not believe things would have been much different today had McCain been elected. That's why I didn't vote for him, either.

I don't think anyone expected the Obama Administration to "make it all better" instantly. Anyone who did is obviously delusional.

I do think that one can observe the actions taken over the course of a few months and form an opinion as to whether those actions are taking us in the right direction.

I was vehemently against the first unconstitutional "bail out" enacted before Bush left office. I did not support that policy because I knew it set a dangerous precedent that the next president would use to expand government even more. I was screaming at the TV when Bush was making excuses for the blatant intrusion of government into the private sector. Frankly, I do not believe things would have been much different today had McCain been elected. That's why I didn't vote for him, either.

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I do think that one can observe the actions taken over the course of a few months and form an opinion as to whether those actions are taking us in the right direction.

Considering the magnitude of this problem that could only happen if one had one's opinion already formed.

Without the need for difference or a need to always follow the herd breeds complacency, mediocrity, and a lack of imagination