NASA montage ( the best bits from NASA)

Phage, that "water droplet" is too much in focus to be inside the shuttle and in between the camera and window when the camera is clearly focused on
the satellite. That is an old video, shot with much older hand held camera tech, and those of that era did not have autofocus that would easily
maintain focus when looking through a _ Often those old autofocus circuits would get confused between the object trying to be in focus and the
window, thus the focus would come and go frequently.

Since we do not see the focus going in and out, it is reasonable to conclude that the camera is on manual focus, and was focused onto the object
intending to be filmed...ie the satellite.

You guys have argued and argued that a tiny dust particle would appear large and circular when between the camera and a distant object when the camera
is focused on the distant object, thus would explain those "critters". Yet here, your saying that a water droplet, that "lenses" the Earth and
dark sky in the background, would also be in focus that close to the camera and between the camera and window of the shuttle that the water droplet
would be in focus as well and enough to even show any lensing reflection?

Ok lets talk about the various distances here..and keep in mind all that rattle about out of focus particles near the camera when the camera is
looking at something off in the distance.

How does this one "water droplet" just happen to be in such focus that it shows any lensing, being between the camera and the window, inside the
shuttle, and not only that, but not show any inside lighting, pannel lights, or anything else of the shuttle?

All these convienient ducks in a row prosaic explanations are getting quite old...so old and rediculous that every time I see one of these prosaic
explanations I cant help but get a good laugh from it.

That object in this OP video reminds me of the movie "Star Man", the huge spherical ship that came to Earth to retrieve the visitor. Though this
object in the OP video is not as huge, it does the same reflection effects, as does a ball magnet, or a ball from a pin-ball machine.

Cmon Phage, that object isnt no water droplet between the camera and window and inside the shuttle.

Ok...any doubters still out there...should stop wasting precious thread space...think about it in "Linear Logic" form...

Is it possible, that if you go on the "Assumption" that: ""Other Life must exist outside our own cute little "Sphere" within this "Infinite
Universe"...to think otherwise would be someone I would not be interested in meeting or conversing with, for that matter""...(as it would be a
complete waste of time)...

Now take this "Linear Logic" form and delve a little further: "So if there is an actual possibility of life out there...and if so....is it quite
possible that some Other Life Forms could exist out there with Infinitely Lower Intelligence...and Infinitely Higher Intelligence...??

Remember...this Concept also leads to the Ultimate Creator...Prime Creator...The Big Bang...Sufi Creation etc....and ultimately to the supremely
Infinite Being...which may actually mean that we are all "One" in the end...meaning we are all "Prime Creators"....we are One...but
Individuals...a contradiction in terms yes...more thinking required...

But I think more than that...we would want to know and begin to classify these "Various Higher Beings"...as either "Friend" or "FOE"...The
Grays, The Reptoids, The Pleadians, The Cassiopeian's, The Orion etc...

Which "Alien is on our Side"....????

I think this a much more important question...and if some are on our side....will they intervene and forget the Universal law of
"FreeWill"...treading onto the Free Will of another...automatically makes you a Service To Self or Selfish being...and who am I trying to kid...I
have been selfish in my life many times...and have even reveled in it....

This is the learning that is required...become aware...and forget the trivial parts of it...to refuse the existence of other Intelligent
LifeForms...is equivalent to rejecting the idea of a "Prime Creator of some sort"...

Originally posted by Phage
I gave an idea on another thread on this topic here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
RFBurns replied that if the water drop were inside the shuttle, it would reflect the interior of the shuttle. This is incorrect. A water droplet is
transparent and does not reflect, but transmits light. It would invert the image of the Earth, particularly if the Earth were brighter than the
interior of the shuttle. On the page I linked (with a full analysis) there are examples of this occuring.

Plausible. But focal would be tremendously wide. Also the water drop would only stop if it lost momentum, or, change direction only if a wind (breath)
or other force is exerted upon it. Zero G conditions would be in effect.

Good idea, but the physics seem to not support the hypothesis. Anyone guess what camera and lens systems where at work? We would have to do lots of
work to know if the "droplet" was foreground or actually at the distance it looks like.

Again this is like doing forensics on a barbi doll. Not enough resolution to do any conclusive guessing, let alone actual science.

Originally posted by papajake
I posted an animated gif that I created on the recently closed thread. I'm posting it in this thread to get comments. It's about six frames from the
montage video which shows an object, possibly a satellite, zipping in front of--and partially obscuring--the Russian MIR Space Station. It's quite
intriguing. My questions to anyone who might know is why is it flying so close to the MIR? It must be between the MIR and whatever it is that's
filming the Space Station, and could pose some serious risk, I would imagine. Especially based on its speed. Anybody have any ideas?

If you watch the montage at about the 3:10 mark, you'll see it. But it goes by quick.

Here's the link to the animated gif:

thank you papajake. I was about to question this myself. I appreciate the montage to look at it, and it looks like maybe the solar array of a
satellite passes between the MIR and the ISS (or shuttle). If you look at the end of your montage there is a reflection of either MIR or the object
taking the picture....

and I think the speed it because its much closer to the object taking the picture than too MIR, but even so, your question about safety is a good
one...

Thanks for the reply, TrailGator. With all that "stuff" zipping around up there, I sure wouldn't want to be sitting in a floating and unprotected
tin can. Especially considering the recent satellite collision. It gives new meaning to the oxymoron "crowded space".

Here's my demo. I decided I didn't want to expose my dirty windows to the world.
Panasonic GS7OD, using manual focus (at infinity). As you can see it's not the greatest camera in the world but it works for home movies.

The button is about 1/2" in diameter (indicating that the water drop is probably smaller than that). I scrounged around my house looking for a small
lens to use but no luck.

The button is generally about 4 to 6 inches from the lens but it's a windy day so it moves in and out. With focus at infinity, the button is in
pretty good focus. Even when zoomed, detail (the holes, the fishing line) is recognizable. In the shuttle video, the object is not in clear focus.

Now you can get picky about it but I think this demonstrates pretty well that the field of view issue is not a killer. I think a water drop is a very
viable possibility.

(click to open player in new window)

Ick. ATSMedia made it pretty bad. Maybe I'll try again when the lighting is better.

10 minutes of video, in which is recorded actual astronauts speaking of "alien spacecraft" in sight, and you reduce the thread to a discussion of
water droplets. Hats off to you! Always a pleasure to watch a real pro in action.

And the last minute of the compilation, the spoke and wheel formation over Africa--or any other minute of it, for that matter? Shall we turn to those
clips now? Or keep on with the shape and reflectivity of water droplets in zero gravity?

Originally posted by gottago
10 minutes of video, in which is recorded actual astronauts speaking of "alien spacecraft" in sight, and you reduce the thread to a discussion of
water droplets....
Sheesh.

Gottago -- do you have ANY reason to believe the 'alien spacecraft' tape is anything but a hoax or a prank? Is there ANY credible evidence it came
from an actual space mission, except maybe somebody on the Internet claiming it did? Is that enough for you?

Originally posted by gottago
This time I get to choose the point to argue, not the debunkers, who attack the weakest link.

Nope. You're making the extraordinary claim. Your evidence -- ALL of it -- has to stand up to cross-examination.

If the evidence is so good, why is there ANY weakest link?

And if you can't tell the different levels of credibility of an unknown, unverified alleged 'broadcast', from, say, fully verifiable and checkable
factual assertions about somebody's professional experience, than that leaves you adrift in a sea of sound and fury, unable to judge ;likely' from
'unlikely'.

Let's practice. STS-29 'transmission'. No evidence it is real. None. All indications it is faked. If we can't reach a consensus on the 'weakest
links', it's a waste of time to debate the more complicated ones.

Why has this entire thread not gone to a higher level of thinking...????...it's like watching little Cats and Puppies chasing their tails for hours
on end...Mind Boggling to say the least...

The evidence that "Intelligent Life" exists outside of our cutsey little sphere (and I must add, "Far More Intelligent" than us "Moronic Humans"
who like nothing more than to argue and disagree with one another over "Trivial Matters") befuddles the the very "current" concept of
"Logic"...

How is it that well over many, many Thousands of Years of "Recorded" sightings (ie. Glyphs, Cave Paintings, DVD Cams etc...)...that we are even
arguing the actual existence of these beings and talking about "Water Droplets" for gods sakes...!

Forget about which one specifically is a Hoax...this is all part of Big Bro's Disinformation Campaign...and you are all falling into it...Hook, Line
and Sinker...wake up!

We need answers now...not anymore sightings...it has been confirmed..."WE ARE NOT ALONE"...get over it...move on to more important questions...like
beginning to Classify these beings and Spacecraft and possibly modes of transportation that are currently outside the "Realm" of our Imaginations at
present...

Originally posted by qbik2008
Why has this entire thread not gone to a higher level of thinking...????...

My modest suggestion is that trying to go to a 'higher level' when the foundation level -- the facts that your speculation is based on -- remains in
doubt, is not productive. Theories are beautiful, especially when there's no need for any reality to tie them to. Facts can be messy. That's where
the challenge is.

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