seahawks fans: i think i was ok in thinking early russell wilson was a mediocre qb getting a LOT of help from a fantastic defense and running back. but in the last several games, he's completely reversed my opinion. i really hope he doesn't have sophomore issues, because he looks phenomenal. i still don't think it's realistically enough to sway enough voters, but really, when your rookie qb plays that well, who gives a **** if he wins ROTY. it certainly didn't change my opinion of von.

Same here. Russell looked like garbage early on but he looks amazing now. He's actually a better pocket passer than RGIII and makes his progressions better, while being slightly less athletic. And he has a better arm and accuracy than Luck. I'm extremely impressed with him.

Same here. Russell looked like garbage early on but he looks amazing now. He's actually a better pocket passer than RGIII and makes his progressions better, while being slightly less athletic. And he has a better arm and accuracy than Luck. I'm extremely impressed with him.

This qb class is amazing.

Oh geezus :* is it commedy day in here?

Someone call up the NFL we have the best qb analyst ever on the board. Where were you a few weeks ago with your amazing analysis? The bandwagon shift on this board is second to none.

Griffin completed 16-of-24 passes for 198 yards, two touchdowns and one interception in the Redskins’ win over the Eagles. He had a passer rating of 102.4.

2. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson (3, 75)
Last week’s ranking: 2

Wilson threw four touchdown passes and one interception, and completed 15-of-21 passes in Seattle’s Sunday night win over the 49ers. Wilson also had six carries for 29 yards and a passer rating of 115.3.

3. Colts QB Andrew Luck (1, 1)
Last week’s ranking: 3

In the Colts’ win over the Chiefs, Luck completed 17-of-35 passes for 205 yards, one touchdown and zero interceptions.

4. Redskins RB Alfred Morris (6, 173)
Last week’s ranking: 4

Morris had 22 carries for 91 yards and a touchdown in Washington’s win. He also had a 17-yard reception. Morris enters Week 16 with a 101-yard lead over Doug Martin for the rookie lead in rushing yards.

5. Packers CB Casey Hayward (2, 62)
Last week’s ranking: 8

Hayward had six tackles, one tackle for loss, a QB hit and his 20th pass defensed of the season, tops among all rookies.

The trifecta is also rewriting the rookie record book. Griffin already broke Cam Newton’s record for most rushing yards by a rookie QB in a season, will finish the campaign with the best-ever passer rating for a rookie and is likely to top Dan Marino’s rookie-best 20-6 TD-to-interception ratio from 1983.

Luck broke Newton’s record for most passing yards in a season in Week 16 and will add to it in the finale. He also has the most fourth-quarter comebacks in a season by a rookie all-time, with seven.

Wilson trails Peyton Manning’s record for most touchdown passes by a rookie by one heading into Week 17.

Voters will be forced to nitpick, looking at all possible factors to try to set one rookie signalcaller apart. The Redskins and Colts are two of the league’s most surprising teams, having turnarounds due in large part because of their rookie quarterbacks. The Seahawks had some backers as a potential playoff team, but few, if any, expected 10 wins, and Wilson wasn’t even supposed to start.

Wilson does have arguably the best supporting cast — a top-five defense, the league’s second-leading rusher and arguably the best O-line of the three QBs. As colleague Eric Edholm outlined in this week’s “Shorts and Shells,” Luck and Griffin are succeeding with unsung supporting casts.

Luck’s interception total, completion percentage and passer rating are all knocks against him, and he has by far the most passing attempts (599, also a rookie record), but how does one ignore the fact that Luck has brought a team that went 2-14 in 2011 to the playoffs?

Last year's Redskins were a 5-11 squad, and their defense lost two key players, Brian Orakpo and Adam Carriker, to injury early this season.

The most attempts by RG3 in one game: 39, in a 21-13 loss to the Panthers in Week 9. He's thrown the ball more than 30 times in just four games, with the team going 1-3.

Interesting. So when the Redskins need him to step up and become the focal point of the offense rather than the running game they win 25% of the time. I wonder what the comparison to Wilson and Luck looks like?

Wilson: 1-2 in games with 30+ attempts.

Luck: 8-4 in games with 30+ attempts.

Huh? So when Wilson and RGIII are forced to throw the ball more than 30 times (NFL average) a game they win less than a third of those games. Luck by comparison wins two out of three in that scenario.

Even the paid analyst are split on who to vote for. I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they had it Luck, Wilson, then RGIII. I hardly doubt anybody has it a clear landslide winner. Maybe after week 17 it could become a bit clearer, but for now from what I've read from people I've seen all 3 come in different orders depending on who you ask.

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I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

Gawd The more people post the more convinced that this thread is littered with 3rd graders or adults that apply logic at that level. Completely absurd.

So why are you still here, constantly? I almost can't wait until the vote is done so you can go away and be irrelevant again, and I would go into how comments like these make the discussion that much more worthless but that seems to be your goal whenever the topic discusses RGIII.

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I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

The most attempts by RG3 in one game: 39, in a 21-13 loss to the Panthers in Week 9. He's thrown the ball more than 30 times in just four games, with the team going 1-3.

Interesting. So when the Redskins need him to step up and become the focal point of the offense rather than the running game they win 25% of the time. I wonder what the comparison to Wilson and Luck looks like?

Wilson: 1-2 in games with 30+ attempts.

Luck: 8-4 in games with 30+ attempts.

Huh? So when Wilson and RGIII are forced to throw the ball more than 30 times (NFL average) a game they win less than a third of those games. Luck by comparison wins two out of three in that scenario.

You're looking way too much into this. I mean...look at the QBR!!!! That is the one true stat for all greatness

Against Cincy he had a great game. He kept fighting but the D could not stop them at all. It's hard to score 30 against their rock solid D. The only team to have done so w/o help from D or ST TD's are the Ravens and they eclipsed 40 due to a Ed Reed int td. The, Skins (rob jackson int for TD), Bronco's (return TD) and the Browns (due to a sheldon Brown INT for a TD) have been the only teams to eclipse the 30 point mark. But that was one of RG3's best games.

Against Tampa, he made a comeback and got the win.

Against the Steelers, he had something like 11 drops? He was throwing darts all over the field but his receivers couldn't get the job done, it was quite possibly the most embarrassing display of receiving I've ever seen out of a group.

The Carolina game was much of the same. Dropsies and penalties killed us, not Griff. He actually threw a TD to Hankerson to set up a 2pt try to tie it late, but a penalty negated it.

Maybe watching the games before you comment next time? Just a thought.

And remember Garcon was hurt for most of these games and Davis got hurt in the Steelers game (iirc). Could you imagine the excuses for Luck if he had to throw to Paulsen, Morgan and Hankerson, and Moss? The internet would explode and there wouldn't be any tissues left.

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The most attempts by RG3 in one game: 39, in a 21-13 loss to the Panthers in Week 9. He's thrown the ball more than 30 times in just four games, with the team going 1-3.

Interesting. So when the Redskins need him to step up and become the focal point of the offense rather than the running game they win 25% of the time. I wonder what the comparison to Wilson and Luck looks like?

Wilson: 1-2 in games with 30+ attempts.

Luck: 8-4 in games with 30+ attempts.

Huh? So when Wilson and RGIII are forced to throw the ball more than 30 times (NFL average) a game they win less than a third of those games. Luck by comparison wins two out of three in that scenario.

Outside of total passing yards, RG3 and the Redskins are ahead of the Colts in every single offensive statistic.

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Yes, Griffin's running game gives him an advantage, but the Redskins god awful defense offsets that. The Redskins have 3 games where they scored OVER 23 points and still lost. The Colts have scored UNDER 23 points 5 times this season and still won.

Again, looking at averages in a Vaccuum NJX... The Skins D for much of the year was on pace to give up 5000 yards passing (the worst in history). They've locked it down over the last few weeks but the first 3/4 of the year they were terrible and you can't make a case that the Colts D was better during that time.

Luck took the 2-14 Indianapolis Colts to the Playoffs and a 10 win season. He took a team that had so many holes going into the 2012 offseason, and still do, as their defense was atrocious as well as the offense.

Then, their Head Coach, Chuck Pagano, which is a great story recovering from leukemia, had to take a leave back at the end of September. It's not an easy process to go through losing your head coach during the season. And also to note: Chuck Pagano is a true inspiration and I admire that man for never getting down and keeping his spirits up. #Chuckstrong.

Andrew Luck is one of those rare players and I think it's no question: Best Rookie in 2012.

-Most yards in a season by a rookie with 4,183 (Newton, 4,051)
-Most attempts in a season by a rookie with 599 (Bradford, 593)
-Tied an NFL RECORD for most game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime with 7. This broke the previous -rookie record held by Ben Roethlisberger (5) in 2004.
Most "wins" in a season by a rookie QB drafted No. 1 overall. Which usually is the worst team in the league from the previous season

"RG3 has given the Redskins a +3 in the win column from last year to this year. Meanwhile, the Seahawks can win potentially 11 games this year. Wilson has started every game, which means he would give Seattle a +4. Luck helped the Colts to +8, and it could be +9 if Indy beat Houston on Sunday.

Of the 26 NFL quarterbacks who have started at least 12 games this year, the two with the fewest passing attempts are RG3 and Wilson. Eagles quarterback Michael Vick sits right behind Wilson in attempts at 319. Vick has only played in 9 games. Both combined are 2-5 when they fling it more than 30 times a game."

Redskins and seahawks both have backs that ran for 1400+ yards. Colts leading rusher has over 700 yards and 1 touchdown.

Turnovers are a bad thing, and he has 23 of them. He's improved the team sure, but he isn't a demigod and the team around him is spectacularly lucky.

Turnovers are a good thing too!

Redskins are 10th in defensive TOs with 28, 18 INTs and 10 fumble recoveries
Seahawks are 5th in defensive TOs with 30, 17 picks and 13 FRs
The Colts are next-to-last in the league with only 13 total turnovers