Windy still pushing the idea that we eventually make a deal with Kahn and the Timberwolves. Now not only mentioning Sessions, but the newly arrived Kosta Koufos as part of a deal. Love Sessions, eh on Koufos, outside of the fact he may have upside and is tall.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Orenthal wrote:Windy still pushing the idea that we eventually make a deal with Kahn and the Timberwolves. Now not only mentioning Sessions, but the newly arrived Kosta Koufos as part of a deal. Love Sessions, eh on Koufos, outside of the fact he may have upside and is tall.

Great. Z finally leaves and we get his less talented Greek step brother. Canton. Buckeyes. Sure to be a fan favorite for the next 10 mediocre years. Maybe even a "Cleveland sports institution"

Fuck me.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

CP wrote:If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

CP wrote:If Kahn wants to throw Koufos in a trade, screw all you, I'd take him. He's a 21 yr old, 7 ft center. He can at least stretch the floor a bit with a jump shot. Bigs sometimes take years to develop and he came out 2-3 years too early (developmentally). Has no injury history that I can recall.

Acting like you build around him is laughable; he serves a purpose as a rotating, developmental big.

Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

SD:

Yepper , we're about as susceptible now as a 16 year old rebounding from her first heart throb loss.

mattvan1 wrote:Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

I hear you, wasn't replying to just you. Koufos was brought up in another thread as well, and was summarily trashed there as basically not worthy of existing on a rebuilding NBA roster. I just disagree and think he's the right type of guy to bring here due to his age, size, and potential for developing a skill-set that isn't that easy to come across.

mattvan1 wrote:Easy there CP. KK=Z is just a bit of satire to get your Sunday morning off to a good start. I still could see a completely irrational love affair with this guy by generic Cleveland fan, however.

I hear you, wasn't replying to just you. Koufos was brought up in another thread as well, and was summarily trashed there as basically not worthy of existing on a rebuilding NBA roster. I just disagree and think he's the right type of guy to bring here due to his age, size, and potential for developing a skill-set that isn't that easy to come across.

SD:

Since we have zero as in nada a person on this roster to fit the true center spot limited cap space and no ammo to trade for better , a flyer on a clunker still beats a leap into a dry pool.

If he can leap two inches off the floor and doesn't spend the next three years inactive recovering from foot surgery he'll be a better investment than "Z" when you factor in actual contributions in his early career.

Better than a dead body until we can replace him with better or allow enough time to see if he can develop.

I know little of the writer for Hoopsworld, but seems to indicate Cavs are frontrunners for Sessions and that it's basically a Sessions/Koufos for West swap. Could do much worse than a 24 yr old PG and 21 yr old C for a guy who isn't going to be on the team next season.

I know little of the writer for Hoopsworld, but seems to indicate Cavs are frontrunners for Sessions and that it's basically a Sessions/Koufos for West swap. Could do much worse than a 24 yr old PG and 21 yr old C for a guy who isn't going to be on the team next season.

I'd do that deal, even with Koufos involved (who I could care less about, wasn't impressed at OSU and he couldn't even see the floor in Utah). I haven't seen much of Sessions; is he more of a Mo, penetrating, shoot-first PG or does he actually have PG chops? Can they work together with Mo as the shooting guard?

Starting backcourt next year might be Sessions and Matt Barnes, with Mo either coming off the bench or being traded.

I'd like to see Gilbert and Grant keep an open mind toward bringing in Richard Jefferson. Windy reported that Jefferson does have an interest in coming to the Cavs, probably because Byron Scott is here.

Jefferson wants a long-term deal and the Cavs don't really want a half-decade of a guy who just turned 30. That's understandable. But if it gets toward September and Jefferson still doesn't find a long-term deal to his liking, that might be the time for the Cavs to swoop in and try to get him for three years or less.

If Gilbert is serious about circumventing a total rebuild, he'll need a go-to scorer like Jefferson. He did slip to 12 PPG last year, but because he was playing behind the Spurs' big three. Make him the first or second option, and he can still give you 19-21 PPG.

Calis32 wrote:I thought Matt Barnes was more of a SF than a SG. If so, you'd probably see Mo & Barnes both starting with Mo as the 2.

Mo is 6'-1". If he's not starting as a 1, he's not starting.

Yeah, the Mo/Sessions, or even Mo/Boobie backcourt that Byron Scott (we need a nickname for him) insanely alluded to would be a fiasco defensively ... especially with the size and scoring ability of the 2's in the East right now.

Bottom line, Mo Williams is a huge liability defensively. Teams began picking on him at 2008 Damon Jones like levels this past season. He needs to be at like 17 and 9 or score 20+ a game to be a net positive on the floor for 35 minutes a night. He'd be a much better fit for a team that really likes to get out and run (not just say they want to like we are) and consistently plays in the 100's. I'd love to see the Cavs deal him.

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"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Sources told ESPN.com that the teams will resume discussions Tuesday, as planned all along, with the intent of landing Barnes with the Raptors via sign-and-trade.

Yet no such deal could be assured as of midnight, raising the possibility that Barnes would have to accept new terms to sign with the Raptors or that other teams that have been chasing Barnes will get another shot at him if the deal collapses.

Since Toronto recently spent the bulk of its $5.8 million mid-level exception to sign Linas Kleiza, it doesn't have the available funds to sign Barnes outright to a deal that starts in the neighborhood of $4 million.

The Magic, though, are prevented by salary-cap rules from starting a sign-and-trade deal for Barnes at higher than $2 million, because Orlando doesn't have Barnes' full Bird rights after employing him for only one season. A sign-and-trade deal would also have to span at least three years, although only the first year is required to be guaranteed

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Barnes is a decent complimentary peice on a team that has scorers at the 2 guard or PF position. (Orlando and Phoenix were great choices) At this point, if you put him, parker, and AV on the floor together it would be an absolute abortion, regardless of the PF and PG.

I'd prefer to see Boobie traded, as his game running the point is sub-par and we don't need a bevvy of shooters to space the floor for LeQuit. Sessions/Telfair at the point with Mo and Twan coming off the bench to provide scoring wouldn't be horrible, and might effectively manage Mo's defensive shortcomings. (Provided they can get a SF/SG in free agency that can score and play defense)

Lots of options, but limited by the amount of players available. Would have loved me some Reddick or Morrow at the 2.

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Please God someone explain to me how signing Barnes makes any sense? He doesn't make the massive difference in wins that dictate any future move, isn't young, and would be duplicating in most regards two guys you already have on the roster (Moon and Parker)

This makes less sense then taking fliers on guys that you flip at the trade deadline. Less sense the bringing Shaq back on board.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

^Tru dat. Watching the last few weeks of Cavalier activity has me fully off of any plug-and-play ideas. Everything should be done to gain future flexibility and draft picks. Only additions I want to this team are young bucks that will not create too many wins next year.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Because trashing the season so we can spend another seven years kowtowing to someone who'll flee at the first chance they get is about as appealing as letting Phil Savage back in as Browns GM.

I don't want to see the Cavaliers tank the season either. But, I would rather have the Barnes who play for UNC next season rather than Matt Barnes, just my preference.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."