Latest update, Maine gets the worst of it, and they will get it bad. Vermont, New Hampshire will get a foot or more. The storm will be off Montauk at 5 pm at 990 mb, as it heads north, at this point what they call bombogenesis will start to occur with the pressure dropping 3 millibars per hour, which is why it will be like a Cat 3 hurricane when it gets up there.

Long Island, should be rain starting by 8 AM. Winds kick up between 5 pm and 7 pm as the monster heads up north.

Yes, coming down steady, will become heaviest overnite, expecting 16" or so --
Thanks again Gina for the weather stuff -- in all seriousness the gamma ray burst thread is my favorite this year -- us weather fans/space cadets gotta stick together

gina - 1/3/2017 at 07:31 PM

Lots of weather coming this week for everyone.

Saturday morning still best chance for flurries or snow showers briefly in Atlanta. Heavier snow in Carolinas, VA.

I keep wanting to think these storms are a fluke, it's too early in the season for this, but as my shovel brother in Little Rhody knows, if the northeast is gonna have a bad winter, sometimes it starts like this. I sure hope it is limited to February (as predicted) or maybe we get mercy, I sure need some right about now.

gina - 1/7/2017 at 12:37 AM

Okay snow is coming, so kick back and make yourself happy, this might help!

With 3 hours of shoveling, I agree with the totals. It would have been nice if they let us know ahead of time that much was coming. There's a big difference between 4-6, and 10 inches. It was also supposed to start at 1 pm and last till about 7 pm, but it started at 9 am, and it came down for 12 hours not 6.

Hope everyone is safe and somewhat recovered.

gina - 1/31/2017 at 12:49 AM

Northeast a little snow tomorrow. After that snow on Superbowl Sunday could be 3-6" , then artic air after that.

[Edited on 1/31/2017 by gina]

gina - 2/2/2017 at 01:16 AM

Your weekly weather outlook. Next Tuesday there will be severe weather Arkansas and Southern Missouri. The northeast should get a reprieve from the predicted 3-6" of snow previously forecast for Super Bowl Sunday.

just buttin' in, ski area socked in today -- been snowing continuously in mtns -- bitterly cold next 24 hrs., warmer Sat, then more weather predicted Sun. -- once all this weather clears skiing will be s-w-e-et

piacere - 2/11/2017 at 02:29 PM

I tried skiing...once. Sunday River, Maine. As cold as I've ever been, I think it was like 2 degrees. Every time I tried getting off the ski lift, I fell on my face. Every time I tried "skiing" I fell on my face. Mountain was a sheet of ice. An absolutely painful, uncomfortable experience. Never went ever again.

but if it's your thing, go for it!

Stephen - 2/11/2017 at 03:24 PM

it'll be a world of difference in the right conditions -- w/all this new snow (&a lot more coming tmrw nite too), give it a whirl on a sunny day, you'll have a blast! It's the bomb

It was particularly bad for me because I did NOT follow my own advice. When I last looked at the maps the night before (radar), it seemed as though the heavy snow would not arrive till 10 am, so I thought I had plenty of time to get out to the gym and do a short workout. I never made it there. By 7:15 I was hit with a white out and it did not improve till noon time. White meaning you could not see what was on either side of the street, could not see traffic lights even with no one ahead of you. I turned around but it was too late. I made it to a shopping center and saw a store open so I went there to hang out till things improved, but they didn't. A nasty plow plowed me in while I was in the store, my defroster could not even keep the back window clear, much less could I see out the side windows with horizontal snow coming. Finally someone with a black pick up truck happened by, had mercy on me and plowed out the stuff I would not have even been able to shovel. The CEO of the store is going to hear from me. It was so bad on the road I could not get thru it. In the 5 hours it took me to traverse a 6 mile swath of road I did not see one plow, not one. I had to constantly pray for about the last few miles, because there was no way I was going to get thru that. When I finally got back to where I live, I could not get in the driveway. I had to shovel to barely get in. Later another nasty ass plowed several feet of snow right in back of my car. Too high, too packed in to shovel that down.

When I went out later that night to do a little more work, the cop who lives next door was out there with his snowblower aiming his snow directly at the side of my car. I did not yell, it was obvious what was happening. I just got in the car, sat quietly, and put on my Isis head chopping off looking ski mask just there watching him. For some reason he seemed to stop.

Yes I know it's all my fault. I did not follow my own advice, I should not have been on the road at 7 am, even though it wasn't bad then.

I hope it went better for everybody else, especially you Piacere.

gina - 2/11/2017 at 09:00 PM

quote:hey gina, how's things?

yeah, we got about a foot. lots of drifts. was really windy.

getting cold. wind chill tomorrow around zero.

stay warm.

I hate to say this baby, but there's more coming for New England, a lot more soooon. Sunday into Monday. Hopefully the guess-timates for your area are low 1-3 or 3-6 and stay that way. Boston will get blasted.

It was particularly bad for me because I did NOT follow my own advice. When I last looked at the maps the night before (radar), it seemed as though the heavy snow would not arrive till 10 am, so I thought I had plenty of time to get out to the gym and do a short workout. I never made it there. By 7:15 I was hit with a white out and it did not improve till noon time. White meaning you could not see what was on either side of the street, could not see traffic lights even with no one ahead of you. I turned around but it was too late. I made it to a shopping center and saw a store open so I went there to hang out till things improved, but they didn't. A nasty plow plowed me in while I was in the store, my defroster could not even keep the back window clear, much less could I see out the side windows with horizontal snow coming. Finally someone with a black pick up truck happened by, had mercy on me and plowed out the stuff I would not have even been able to shovel. The CEO of the store is going to hear from me. It was so bad on the road I could not get thru it. In the 5 hours it took me to traverse a 6 mile swath of road I did not see one plow, not one. I had to constantly pray for about the last few miles, because there was no way I was going to get thru that. When I finally got back to where I live, I could not get in the driveway. I had to shovel to barely get in. Later another nasty ass plowed several feet of snow right in back of my car. Too high, too packed in to shovel that down.

When I went out later that night to do a little more work, the cop who lives next door was out there with his snowblower aiming his snow directly at the side of my car. I did not yell, it was obvious what was happening. I just got in the car, sat quietly, and put on my Isis head chopping off looking ski mask just there watching him. For some reason he seemed to stop.

Yes I know it's all my fault. I did not follow my own advice, I should not have been on the road at 7 am, even though it wasn't bad then.

I hope it went better for everybody else, especially you Piacere.

geeze girl, stay home, do some crunches, push ups, whatever. Don't be driving around in that. Next door neighbor probably figured you were ploiwed in anyway so what's a little more...

February 20 -24, we need to watch, potential exists for MAJOR east coast snow. No it is not definite yet. We just have to be vigilant. We are now in winter.

Stephen - 2/23/2017 at 06:45 PM

We were -- wish like heck that forecast had been good --
instead, last week's plentiful snow/winter wonderland will be history by Saturday -- record warmth, flood watches in effect etc etc....too darned early for me

Wonder if it all might be connected to this blurb about the recent discovery of brave new cosmic worlds (from the Daily Galaxy):

NASA has just announced discover new solar system with ‘best chance yet of alien life’ .Life may have evolved on at least three planets in a newly discovered solar system just 39 light years from Earth, NASA has announced.&#8203; Astronomers have detected no less than seven Earth-sized worlds orbiting a cool dwarf star known as TRAPPIST-1. The six inner planets lie in a temperate zone where surface temperatures range from zero to 100C. Of these, at least three are thought to be capable of having oceans, increasing the likelihood of life. No other known star system contains such a large number of Earth-sized and probably rocky planets.

gina - 2/23/2017 at 08:17 PM

Stephen, I heard the planets were in the Aquarius star system. That's kinda spooky, there's also some stuff about the Arabs, and this is true wanting to be able to go to Mars. The probes will be there by 2020 and they hope some colonization can occur by 2050. All I can think of is the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, Total Recall. OMG, prophecy!

Stephen - 2/24/2017 at 06:04 PM

"Sign up for your vacation today! With Travel Agent Doug Quaid....." no wait
great flick, & yes, prophetic -- maybe it won't be in our lifetime, but these new finds have "future colonization" written all over them -- the photos on the Daily Galaxy website are awesome

record warmth continues, topping out tomorrow w/mid 50s, making it 3rd straight day of 50 degrees-plus weather -- on a better note, ski resorts really did well this season -- it was snowy both at Christmas, & this week's economically-crucial Mass. school vacation week -- big crowds both times

gina - 2/25/2017 at 05:27 PM

Joe explains the weather coming up for March and why. We have a blocking High from Greenland in play.

Of course the Northeast has the warm weather 50's 60's and then Friday possibly snow. (40%).

Winter ain't over till it's over.

Stephen - 3/4/2017 at 07:47 PM

That's for sure -- Bitterly cold here today in northern NE -- been a completely off the wall winter -- snowstorm couple weeks ago, then warm weather & a lot of rain -- now this cold snap -- then upper 40s predicted early next week

some cosmic check-ins/interstellar intuitions reveal a pattern setting up for a mid March blizzard -- fueled by full moon, also cold air rushing down from Hudson Bay/Canadian maritime regions, colliding w/unsettled weather here -- & whammo, nor'easter -- much like March 1993 blizzard -- just doing my cyber snowdance

Under brilliant blue skies, an onslaught of high wind swept across the Great Lakes region on Wednesday, causing damage and disruption on par with a major winter storm or a severe thunderstorm complex. About 1 million customers lost power in Michigan alone, and more than 800,000 of those remained without electricity on Thursday morning. More than 100,000 others were affected in parts of Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York. It’s been the largest weather-relate...

The storm for next Tuesday can be 12-18+ inches. When winter is done then we get a month or two of quiet, then the OTHER season with torrential rain and squalls and 60+ mph winds. They want us to think this is normal, it's not.

Stephen - 3/10/2017 at 03:22 PM

Yes that's for sure -- winter is not quite done yet -- definitely lingering here -- 2nd straight weekend of bitterly cold weather predicted, after a midweek of upper 40s w/rain -- it's been that kind of pattern a lot this winter -- the frost layer has to be real deep

what a blow tho in western NY -- Buffalo & those places have snowy/windy winters anyway but this was way out there they said -- flattened in places

a little snow in northern NE, please

Stephen - 3/11/2017 at 04:02 PM

I don't know how wildlife survives late-winter extreme conditions (like today's) -- already weakened, exposed at all times to the weather, little foraging for food -- at their most vulnerable to predators

[Edited on 3/11/2017 by Stephen]

gina - 3/11/2017 at 07:02 PM

The wildlife just hide in the trees, caves or they flow south.

As to the Monday night into Tuesday storm, there are some variables between the GFS (American Model) and the European. We could get a lot of snow, a smaller amount (6" or less) or it could go out to sea. I am hoping it goes out to sea.

Not much has changed in the forecast except that Bernie is reporting on the sleet and the mixing. although the timing for the start of the snow has been moved up, saying it will start after 1 am, and by the rush hour (which is really 5 hours around here). The main accumulating snow will stop between 3-5 pm.

Those in the Hudson Valley need to stay home. DO NOT VENTURE OUT 8 - 9 AM. JUST DON'T. I don't even want to repeat what I heard from another news source. (oh you people, more than 9 inches per hour possible during that hour).

I have to add one more surprise to my long hurricane forecasting
career. Unexpectedly, the subtropical cyclone became a tropical
depression this morning, and then it intensified to a tropical
storm. This intensity estimate is based on the cloud pattern
presentation on satellite imagery which shows moderate thunderstorm
activity surrounding an eye-type feature, and a convective ring in
microwave imagery. Initial intensity is set at 40 kt, although
estimates from TAFB suggest that the winds could have reached 45 kt
around 1800 UTC. Since that time, the cloud pattern has deteriorated
somewhat and winds probably have diminished. Despite the
intensification, Arlene is still forecast by all global models to
become absorbed by a nearby developing extratropical cyclone on
Friday.

Arlene is moving toward the west-northwest at 22 kt, while well
embedded in the fast flow surrounding the extratropical low. This
general motion around the low is expected until dissipation on
Friday.

"It is expected to dissipate on Friday". If they are wrong we should all go and stick out heads out the window and scream Whippin' Post!

here is also some news regarding hurricane season. Experts have said they think there will be less Atlantic based storms due to the el nino which will create wind shear. They have named the storms. Let's wait till the season which starts June 1st to think about all that.

gina - 5/12/2017 at 11:19 PM

Northeast storm for tomorrow. 3/4 inch of rain during the day, another 1-2 inches of rain in the evening (after 7 pm). Could be a total of 2-3 inches rain when it is over and done, could also be gale force winds along the shorelines like 35 knots.

And yes, in about a week or two, you may hear more about Investigation 19P, which if it becomes a Tropical Storm, will be named Ella. You know you'll get info here first. This is Ella.

"On the forecast track, Cindy is expected to approach
the coast of southwest Louisiana late Wednesday or Wednesday night,
and move inland over western Louisiana and eastern Texas on
Thursday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 45 mph (75 km/h) with higher
gusts. Little change in strength is forecast before the system
reaches the coast on Thursday.

Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 205 miles (335 km),
mainly to the north and east of the center.

The estimated minimum central pressure is 999 mb (29.50 inches).

RAINFALL: Cindy is expected to produce total rain accumulations of
6 to 9 inches with isolated maximum amounts of 12 inches over
southeastern Louisiana, southern Mississippi, southern Alabama, and
the Florida Panhandle through Thursday. Rainfall amounts of 3 to 5
inches with isolated maximum amounts of 6 inches can be expected
farther west across southwest Louisiana into southeast Texas through
Thursday.

STORM SURGE: Inundation of 1 to 3 feet above ground level is
possible along the coast in portions of the Tropical Storm Warning
area.

TORNADOES: A tornado or two is possible this afternoon and tonight
from south-central Louisiana to the western Florida Panhandle. "

Henry says a foot or rain for Mobile, the storm will actually come in Port Arthur/Galveston Texas as a strong Tropical Storm 60-80 mph winds, could even become a hurricane before it comes in. The rain fall amount with this will be a lot. And then of course when it is done beating up the coast, it will head northbound go into the Atlantic and well, Laylatul Qadr is coming Next Wednesday night into Thursday which is the night of power in Islam, which means we will not go down here the way we did with Sandy.

solar winds have been causing earthquakes, and they are also going to help revitalize Brett, the storm that was supposed to have been over and done with. IF so, Brett could become a Cat 1 heading for the Gulf, worse impacts than Cindy.

Remarks: Major hurricane means Cat 3. The most recent video (the second one) says it could be off the Outer Banks of NC by 7-14-17, it could go out to sea after that (and he thinks it would), but if not.....

The noaa people aren't on this yet, but you know we won't wait, we will find out as far ahead of time as possible. IF we could be looking at a hurricane next week, we need to know NOW. The noaa people don't seem to know about New York traffic.

[Edited on 8/8/2017 by gina]

gina - 8/12/2017 at 02:14 PM

There have been people sending bad Eclipse glasses that will not protect your eyes. Even in NY, it will be 75% visible so you need to have appropriate protection.

If you get glasses on the cheap and want to know if they are the real deal, one reporter said hold them up to an LED light (you know those awful squiggly light bulbs), if you can see the bulb thru the glasses, the glasses WILL NOT protect your eyes during the eclipse.

In a way it's not fair to compare one hurricane to another, because if we say this one will be worse than another one, we minimize the loss and misery others have gone thru. What I will say is that Harvey will be BAD BAD BAD.

Say some prayers for those who have not left there but should have. Anyone who can leave should try. It will not hit will 2 AM, which means you can still get out. This is not your normal storm, if you are there GET OUT NOW.

gina - 8/26/2017 at 04:02 PM

It went onshore in Rockford as a Cat. 4 - It will sit over Texas and rain for a week, and the severe thunderstorm bands are over Houston. (Right now the rains will last at least till Thursday next week).

" Current forecasts suggest that Harvey could be barely 100 miles from its current location by next Thursday. This is forecast to result in heavy rainfall of unprecedented magnitude for such a large area, with widespread storm totals of 15-30 inches, and isolated amounts up to 40 inches"

Tom Kloza, an analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, predicts that prices could rise by up to 25 cents a gallon, but that an increase of 5 cents to 15 cents is more likely, assuming that the hurricane doesn’t cause lasting damage to refineries.

As of Friday, the U.S. Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement said workers had been removed from 86 of the 737 manned platforms used to pump oil and gas from beneath the Gulf.
The agency estimated that platforms accounting for about 22 percent of oil production and 23 percent of natural gas output in the Gulf had been shut down.

Exxon Mobil closed two of its platforms and was evacuating all personnel in the expected path of the storm, said spokeswoman Suann Guthrie. Shell halted operations on a big floating oil-production platform, and Anadarko evacuated workers and shut down four facilities in the western Gulf while continuing to operate those east of the storm’s predicted path.

On shore, ConcoPhillips stopped all operations in the Eagle Ford shale formation, which lies across a swath of South Texas inland from the Gulf. A company spokeswoman cited safety and potential disruptions in getting oil and gas from the wells to market during the storm.

gina - 8/26/2017 at 08:28 PM

HARVEY

There is already devastation in Texas and there is more to come because the rain will continue till next Thursday. The Palacious Beaches are gone. Port Aransas has an RV/Trailer park that had "100% devastation". Pioneer Trailer Park. They are currently doing search and rescue operations there because 5,000 people stayed in the town Port Aransas and did not leave.

There 300,000 people statewide SO FAR with no power and that number may rise as the rains flood out more places over the coming days. Matagorda Residents who left cannot go home due to the power loss. Parts of I-10 are no longer passable. Corpus Christi can expect 30 MORE inches of rain on top of what has already come because of the duration of the storm.

People are still evacuating because of the rains to come in Abilene and parts north. Houston is expected to flood.

REMARKS: This will go down as a devastation for Texas. What happens to people who can never return to their homes, because 5 more days of rain comes and their homes are under water? Can Texas built a meaningful sea wall to protect the coastline from future storms?

[Edited on 8/26/2017 by gina]

[Edited on 8/27/2017 by gina]

gina - 8/27/2017 at 07:59 PM

AL 92 East Coast - it should stay out to sea. If it doesn't there will be reports of some sort here on the whippin' post.

I think a lot of us just cannot even speak much about Harvey because the effect and damage will just be surreal. Those of us who live along a coastline are also thinking about what if scenarios. I remember when hurricane Irene was coming up here as a Cat 3 and nobody took it seriously. Dickey and his band even came up here to play a gig at the Winery right along the water in Manhattan. That man has the balls to stare the devil in the face and tell him to go eff himself he came to play his music and nothing's gonna stop him. The storm 'brushed' North Carolina and came up, but spared Long Island and actually did more damage where I was, stuck in Pennsylvania, 13 inches of rain in the mountains is much different than in a sea level city/town.

I feel bad for those people in Texas, some of whom will not have a home to go back to for a long time, and maybe not at all. Pray for those people.

[Edited on 8/27/2017 by gina]

gina - 8/28/2017 at 10:20 PM

There are some observations coming in within the last hour.

Brenden Moses&#8207; @Cyclonebiskit · 1h1 hour ago
#Harvey trying to transition back into a tropical system with convection redeveloping near center and shedding frontal features.

Remarks: CAT 4 would destroy NY, even CAT 3 would be enough to knock out power for months etc. Being that it would arrive 10 days out from yesterday, that would be 9-10-17 or if it slowed down, 9-11-17. Maybe God has a different take on the 'war on terror' and the official story from that day in 2001. The punishments that come upon this nation will be his answer to the lies of the elite.

[Edited on 8/31/2017 by gina]

gina - 8/31/2017 at 08:39 PM

P.S. There may be another storm in the Gulf for that region next week, and I'm not talking about Irma.

gina - 8/31/2017 at 08:59 PM

IRMA - Will be CAT 5 by 9-4-17, winds 171 miles per hour sustained, gusts to 200 miles per hour, at least 30 inches of rain. This is projections from the GFS and the weather channel. Impact, models now suggest Carolinas/Georgia coastline. This is not written in stone, it is the projection at this time. Be aware, try to start making a plan just in case. You cannot sit there in a Cat 5 hurricane or even a Cat 4.

Remarks: Long Island has 3 million people, NYC has 11 million. They never tell us to evacuate because nobody wants 14 million people taking to the roads trying to find someplace to go. If the models still look like Chesapeake Bay in a couple of days, heed the warning yourself.

[Edited on 9/2/2017 by gina]

gina - 9/3/2017 at 10:01 PM

9-3-17 Updates -nobody wants to tell you, but there are models and they say WILIMINGTON, NC is where it will hit. There are 54 foot waves with this storm.

Newest info suggest impact will be Wilmington, NC as a high Cat 3 - Cat 4. Chesapeake Bay is also possible, but it looks like Wilimington would be the target. And yes as it goes inland it would go over Raleigh. The videos below explain the troughs and stuff going on. As things changes, I'll put it up. The regular news will never tell you anything far enough ahead of time to be helpful. Everybody is trying not stress people out.

Remarks: At this point it looks like FLORIDA, but then some of the models have it on the east coast and then coming north. I saw a model Sunday, the one that had Wilmington as the point of impact, but after that it had it going to Washinngton, DC, so anything is possible. I remember when Hurricane Floyd was coming up here and they said there was no way it wouldn't, and then, it didn't. Same with Isabel. God can control and stop anything and steer it someplace else. Just pay attention, check on the models, get yourself a notebook, and start thinking strategically if you have to evacuate.

Strategic Thinking:

What do I need to take with me?

Make a list. Look at the stuff you use in your home now, in the morning, afternoon, evening, that's stuff you need.

Where can I go and how long do I need to be there?

What things will I need when I get someplace else, where are these places located? (banks, drug stores, food housing), get some paper maps in case the GPS goes down.

Be cognizant if your area is destroyed and uninhabitable after the storm, you need clothes etc. Try to take some totes with you, if you have an extra day or two, check out storage units in other locations and try to move some of your stuff in case you cannot come back.

Also get some coolers, ice packs stick them in your freezer now, get some tupperware, make yourself some stuff to eat before you leave, get ice from the local convenience store, there may be traffic jams. Take plastic bags (supermarket fruit/vegetable) with twist ties. You will have to put your garbage someplace so you don't attract bugs if there are no garbage cans along your journey. Take some toilet paper and paper towels, large garbage bags. Try to have a small shovel IF you end up having to use the woods as bathroom facilities, you have to bury that stuff 5 feet deep and preferably 16 feet from whereever you may have to camp out to prevent it from contaminating water sources. Yes get a tarp, take a camp chair with you, and some basic camping equipment just in case. Get a small hand held water purifier in case you have to camp in the woods. Devastation is different than let's just go to somebody's house for a few days. Think the best, prepare for the worst.

Portable device chargers, charged up. You need that.

Have you looked at a service provider map to see if your phone carrier has service in the areas you may need to evacuate to? Here in NY, if you go upstate only Tracfone works, the others don't.

While the storm’s exact path is unclear, the Capital Weather Gang’s meteorologists issued similarly unnerving warnings of Irma being “likely to make landfall somewhere in Florida over the weekend” and saying that “the impact could be catastrophic.”

Scott has activated 100 members of the Florida National Guard and said he had directed all 7,000 members to report for duty on Friday. On Monday, Scott signed an executive order declaring an emergency in each of Florida’s 67 counties, pointing to forecasts at the time warning that Irma could make landfall in the southern or southwestern parts of the state and “travel up the entire spine of Florida.”

“Hurricane Irma is a major and life-threatening storm and Florida must be prepared,” Scott said in a statement accompanying the order.

gina - 9/5/2017 at 09:02 PM

Bernie explains the trough, which will determine west coast of FL, or east coast FL and North Carolina.

FURTHER REMARKS: I don't want to tell you what I have seen on some of the modelling with Jose, how much is 250 knots? And there is another one after Jose. For now, prayers go out to Floridians, and Atlanta it will be coming your way after it is done with Florida. There were reports that Macon was already a big parking lot, so that may get worse since 6.5 million of the 20 million residents of Florida were now told to leave due to irma. 20 million residents, a 10 foot storm surge, 6.5 million told to evacuate.

Remarks: It could have been worse, IF Irma hit Miami head on as was anticipated. So maybe the govt. did steer it away from the shorelines as much as possible. One other thing going on is that we may be in the beginning stages of the pole shift. Which will cause more intense storms to happen. Are you aware that there was a quake yesterday along the Juan de Fuca plate that caused the tectonic plate boundary to move 32 feet? Are you also aware that when the pole shift happens, and some say 9-23-17 is the date it is expected to, when the shift happens, the new pole will be off Brazil? That in and of itself will cause all kinds of weather changes. The press is not supposed to say 'climate change' anymore, they have some other catch phrase but all this stuff is going on.

Jose will become a powerful storm and it will be in the Atlantic potential strike date would be the 17th Carolina or NY IF it does not turn. There is still time on this one, but people along points North Carolina and north should begin considering what if they need to get out the way. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS GOING TO HIT EITHER OF THOSE TWO PLACES, JUST KEEP A LOOKOUT AND BE READY IN CASE....

[Edited on 9/10/2017 by gina]

[Edited on 9/10/2017 by gina]

gina - 9/11/2017 at 10:38 PM

RE: JOSE, one of the models has it coming pretty far north by 9-17-17 before heading out to sea. We will have to be on the lookout.

[Edited on 9/11/2017 by gina]

gina - 9/12/2017 at 11:25 PM

INUIT ELDERS NOTICE THE SUN IS NOT IN THE SAME PLACE IN THE SKY

The axis of the earth has changed. This in turn effects the weather due to the gravitational pulls, the geomagnetic grid etc. The people who noticed it back in 2015 were the Inuits who live along the Artic. What NASA did with the info. is not known. Each of the strong earthquakes we have changes the axis of the earth. I heard recently that the Mexico quake moved the Juan De Fuca tectonic plate 10 or 12 feet. The large quakes in previous years in Fukushima, Christchurch, New Zealand and Chile, also effected the axis of the earth, which effects the rotation etc. When the pole shift happens people are now saying the new pole will be in Brazil. Others say we may be in for a new ice age coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cG3H-A_bEw
Moon not where it should be rotated to the right, or earth has rotated to the left. The Torah even said there would be changes in the moon and it gave the year which translates to 2011.
2-3-16

There is someone who has figured out what happened. The poles have moved. The new north pole at this time is off of London, it is closest to Stonehenge. The new south pole is at New Zealand. The moon flipped on December 11, 2011, 1 1/2 hours later it had rotated 180 degrees. Antarctica shifted 90 degrees. The poles are not going to stay in these locations forever. Eventually the new North Pole will be in Russia and the new south pole will be in Cape Town, South Africa. When the land changes occur, the part of Africa that has Capetown in it, will move and shift going to the position that Antarctica is in now.

The thing is this, we are used to the equator being in the middle of our earth. The new equator will not be there. The magnetic grids of the planet will be changed. This has already effected airports where they have had to adjust where their landing strips are because the equipment the pilots fly by is no longer accurate to the runways, when they set the course for the plane, it has to adjust for these changes.

People keep talking about climate change noticing the weather changes, but it is not due to climate change like too much smog going up there influencing the weather. The problem is the tilt of the planet has changed, which means it does not face the sun the same way. The planet rotates on it's axis and it is now tilted differently. This effects the crops and food sources, it effects the ice in the arctic etc. which is melting. This melting ice changes the salinity of the oceans, which effects the storms including hurricanes because there is this symbiosis between the oceans and the sky/atmosphere.

Greenland experienced differences in their daylight and why the Inuits up there in the arctic are getting more hours of daylight. This is due to the tilt of the earth changing and putting us closer to the sun.

The tilt of our planet is now 92,000,000 miles from the sun. Previously it was 94.2 million miles. So now we are closer to the sun in certain places. North America, Europe, China, India, reportedly will become "unbearably hot" in the what is normally our winter time (January). Yes the climate will change, but it is due to the change in the axis, tilt of the earth, as well as the rotation.

The new north pole is currently located at North 51 degrees, 22.949 East, 12.922 degrees. It is located off Herne Bay, England at 23.4 degrees.

The new poles are temporary, it is still migrating. Nibiru has caused this.

Why is this happening? It is how God will destroy the peoples he said he would destroy. The heat will destroy the crops, famine, pestilence will occur, the heat will kill many and some people will freeze to death if they remain in areas that will no longer support life.

JOSE - it will not be doing anything that could be a threat to any land mass till late next week and it may not come in at all. it is complicated. Bernie understands all the possibilities and points out what is going on. I did see a model that had it just off the Jersey shore on Thurs. the 21st, but it is too early to say that is what will happen. If it did go in there, it would be in the same areas as Sandy, so we do need to check in on this storm.

The storm is expected to track southeast of Long Island on Tuesday afternoon and southeastern New England by Tuesday night into Wednesday. Due to the influences discussed above, Jose will be a larger storm by the time it comes close to these areas, however the current forecast from WeatherOptics meteorologist keep the worst impacts off the coast at this time.

Expected to be a tropical storm by Tuesday, Jose will likely produce winds around 30 to 45 mph with gusts up to 60 mph along the immediate New Jersey, Long Island, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and southeastern Massachusetts coasts. Rainfall amounts will range from 2 to 3 inches around Nantucket, 1 to 2 inches over the rest of southeastern Massachusetts, and 0.5 to 1 inch of rain along the immediate New Jersey, Long Island, Connecticut, and Rhode Island coasts. Minor to moderate coastal flooding will also be a threat along the New Jersey coast up to southeastern Massachusetts, along with a very strong rip tide.

Update: Maria will NOT go thru Florida, it will turn and come up in the Atlantic and is not supposed to hit any land.

Update 9-21-17 After Maria is done gong thru the Carribean Islands and the Bahamas, it is believed that it will go out in the ocean and not strike any other land.

[Edited on 9/21/2017 by gina]

gina - 9/24/2017 at 11:22 PM

Mexico is facing another large quake, in the 6 range, according to an earthquake prediction specialist.
Okinawa and Guam may have quakes in the mid to high 4 ranges.
The Agean sea, and other areas also, even potentially Tennessee and Virginia in the 3-4's within 3-4 range.

7.1 possible between 9-28-17 and 9-30-17 for Mexico, same areas as hit recently.

Additionally, there is a system (storm/hurricane) that is expected to form near and go over Cuba. It can either go over Florida and come up the east coast, or go in the Gulf. What is eerie is that there was prophecy from 2015 which says that Houston will be destroyed by water, Los Angeles by earthquake.

Apparently there is info. suggesting that the storm will reach CAT 4 status, yet most of the other weather people are STILL saying it would hit the Florida Panhandle as a Cat 1, 75 mph storm on Sunday, so I don't know what is going on.

Nate made landfall over northeastern Nicaragua late Thursday morning as a tropical storm with 40 mph winds, and tropical storm warnings are up for much of the coast of Nicaragua and Honduras. However, the main danger to Central America from Nate will be torrential rains: 15 – 20” in Nicaragua, 5 – 10” in Panama and Costa Rica, and 4 - 8” in Honduras and the eastern Yucatan Peninsula. Much of the heavy rain in Nicaragua, Coast Rica, and Panama will occur on the Pacific side, as Nate’s large circulation pulls moisture from the Pacific across Central America and into the Southwest Caribbean. Satellite rainfall estimates show that the heaviest rains from Nate thus far have been on the Pacific side of Costa Rica and Panama, where over 8” of rain has fallen over the past 7 days.

Once Nate finishes its traverse of northeastern Honduras on Thursday evening and emerges into the Western Caribbean, the storm will be in a very favorable environment for intensification. Nate will be passing over an area of very high ocean heat content (OHC) in the Western Caribbean, with very warm waters that extend to great depth. Thursday SHIPS model Rapid Intensification Index gave Nate a 40% chance of being a Category 1 hurricane with 75 mph winds by 8 am Friday, 12 hours before it will make its closest pass to the Cozumel/Cancun area. The SHIPS model Rapid Intensification Index from 12Z Thursday morning showed a 48% chance of Nate gaining 65 knots of strength by Sunday, which would bring it to the Category 3 threshold (115 mph winds.)

By the time Nate reaches the United States, its quick movement will help limit the risk of extreme rainfall totals. A swath of 3 – 6” can be expected within about 150 miles of Nate’s center, from the Gulf Coast north across the Appalachians to parts of New York and/or New England.

As to why there is discrepancy among the models. The European thinks it would be the Florida Panhandle, but the GFS does not. It gets complicated because of troughs, windsheer etc. Levi did a very detailed video yesterday about the variables.

A storm surge warning is up for the Gulf Coast from Morgan City, LA to the Alabama/Florida border, as well as along the northern and western shores of Lake Pontchartrain. In these areas, 4 – 7 feet of inundation were predicted by NHC in their 11 am EDT Friday advisory, assuming that Nate were to arrive during high tide.

https://twitter.com/JimCantore
I sure hope they don't make Jim Cantore stand out there in NATE to show people how bad it is. It's Yom Kippur, have mercy on him, I'm sure he is repentent.

Also, there is another system within 5 days there is a 70% chance of it forming into a storm in the Atlantic quite a bit North of Florida. Too soon to start speculating on that yet, just be aware it is there.

Remarks: Why all these storms? Well it could be the folks who believe they will "own the weather" by 2025, or it could be God who told you in the Bible that men would faint from the roaring of the seas during the tribulation times. When I look these hurricanes, I look to see if it looks perfectly formed, those are the ones I think are from God, the ones that are perfectly symmetrical, the ones that confound the weather scientists who say the storms are not doing what they should be doing because God controls and does what he wants to. Bottom line is, the coastlines will be pummelled and hammerred if not by the 'we own the weather' people, then consider it God who is starting to unleash his punishments on an unrepentant nation.

Asteroids coming by increase the chance of earthquakes. Heads Up west coast!

gina - 10/13/2017 at 11:31 PM

Are we overreacting to the hurricanes? Nope.

Including Ophelia, there have been 15 tropical storms, 10 hurricanes and five major hurricanes so far in the 2017 Atlantic season, AND

"A strong tropical system centered a few hundred miles east of the Leeward Islands is being watched for possible development late in the upcoming weekend or early next week," Kottlowski said. Kottlowski anticipates that the only landmass that would see direct impacts from this system if it does develop would be Bermuda.

"I think there will be at least two more tropical storms, of which one or two can become a hurricane into December," Kottlowski said. "There is still a chance of one more major (Category 3) hurricane."

What is the actual truth about space? There are other life forms and entities up there. Alien beings, the Annunaki and Sumerians spoken of in the Bible were real. They came from someplace else. The Pyramids in Egypt were built by the knowledge given to the locals by aliens. Etc.

Now the meteorologists say Climate Chaos, because that is what we are experiencing, the climate is in chaos. The magnetic poles have shifted. They just don't talk about that. The new north magnetic pole is off London, close to Stonehenge. So now Cat 3 hurricanes can go to Europe.

Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Beginning in 1947, General Electric, the U.S. Army Corps, the U.S. Air Force, and the Office of Naval Research began attempting to modify hurricanes. The main scientist behind the research was a Nobel Peace Prize-winning chemist named Irving Langmuir. While working as a chemist with GE, Langmuir began to hypothesize about manipulating hurricanes. In October 1947, the researchers decided to seed a hurricane with ice pellets. The hurricane had been drifting to the northeast into the Atlantic Ocean, but after being seeded, the hurricane grew stronger and crashed into Savannah, Georgia.

There was a public backlash and threats of lawsuits against Langmuir and the research team. Despite Langmuir claiming responsibility for affecting the storm, researchers concluded his work did not cause the change in direction. The lawsuits were dropped, but Langmuir continued to work on weather modification. It’s not hard to imagine the U.S. military and General Electric wanting to distance themselves from the destruction by calling their own project a failure. Interestingly, Wikipedia references a 1965 article from the Sun-Sentinel titled “Betsy’s Turnaround Stirs Big Question.” (Betsy was another hurricane reported to have been modified.) The article, written more than a decade later, apparently reports that a hurricane in 1947 “went whacky” and that “[t]welve years later it was admitted the storm had in fact been seeded.” Unfortunately, there is not a digital copy of the article available to verify the claims on Wikipedia.

Most reports on Project Cirrus claim the 1947 hurricane was the only attempt, but a look at records maintained by General Electric indicate there were several more tests on hurricanes. The records list Albuquerque, New Mexico; Mt. Washington, New Hampshire; Burbank, California; and several locations in New York as test sites for cloud seeding with silver iodide. Another section lists cloud seeding attempts in Honduras by Langmuir. The report stated:

“In 1948 and 1949, Langmuir visited Honduras, Guatemala, and Costa Rica to study tropical cloud formations, and particularly to learn what was being done by Joe Silverthorne, a commercial cloud seeder, in seeding clouds for the United Fruit Company. The work was being conducted for the purpose of testing out the possibility of controlling rainfall, and particularly in the hope of stopping blow-downs that result from winds associated with thunderstorms, which occasionally destroy large stands of fruit trees.”

The GE report is well worth your time and attention. It details the contracts between the U.S. military and GE, as well as other historical details regarding GE’s attempts to modify weather.

More recent examples of attempts at weather modification involve programs known as Project Stormfury, Project Cirrus, and Operation Popeye. Project Stormfury was a U.S. government project aimed at weakening Tropical Cyclones by seeding them with silver iodide. From 1961 to 1971, researchers sprayed silver iodide into hurricanes, believing the supercooled water might disrupt the structure of the storm. Officially, the project has been ruled a failure, but it was not the only attempt to manipulate weather in this time period.

One example of seeding a hurricane that may have actually been successful was Hurricane Betsy in 1965. As the Sun-Sentinel reported in 1965:

“Hurricane Betsy was building strength; it looked like it was aiming for South Carolina, posing no threat to South Florida. But on Saturday, Sept. 4, the storm whirled to a stop, about 350 miles east of Jacksonville. When Betsy started moving again on Sunday, she had changed directions. The storm plowed through the Bahamas Monday night, then mauled South Florida a day later.”

Officially, the U.S. government says Hurricane Betsy was designated to be seeded but that apparently, that decision was changed at the last moment. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration recalled the event on the 50th anniversary:

“Dr. Joanne Simpson, Project Director, had ordered the fleet of Navy and Weather Bureau research aircraft to deploy to Puerto Rico on August 28th. Over the next two days, the planes monitored the storm’s slow progress toward the designated part of the ocean where they could carry out their weather modification experiments. By August 31st, Betsy had just managed to crawl into the area as a hurricane, so a seeding experiment was scheduled for the next day. The first aircraft had already taken off from Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station, PR the morning of September 1st when word came from the National Hurricane Center that overnight Betsy had completed a loop in its track and was now headed southward and out of the allowed seeding area. The seeding experiments were called off and the mission changed to a ‘dry run’, where the same patterns were flown but no silver iodide was released into the storm. Unfortunately, no one informed the press which had been alerted to STORMFURY’s seeding intentions the previous day.”

The press and the public blamed the researchers for the 138 mph winds and destruction from Betsy. Congress was skeptical of further programs until the researchers were able to smooth things over. “I was totally unaware of the level of emotion and hostility that was directed against anything that had to do with cloud seeding,” Joanne Simpson, one time head of Project Stormfury, told NASA. Simpson would go on to work on a cloud-seeding project called FACE (the Florida Area Cumulus Experiment).

With Hurricane Betsy and the 1947 hurricane, we have two situations where cloud-seeding was reportedly happening, and we have two disastrous outcomes. In both situations, the scientists claimed no responsibility, and no one was held accountable. Again, is it that hard to imagine a government official (or a scientist under government contract) lying about the nature of the work? Especially if that work resulted in millions of dollars in property damage and deaths?

The NOAA even acknowledges that “[s]ince no one at Project STORMFURY nor in the Weather Bureau had advised the public or the press that the actual seeding of the storm had been scrubbed, many people believed it had been carried out and the link to its odd path seemed plausible. Although attempts to clarify the facts about STORMFURY and Betsy were made after the fact, the notion of a link persists to the present.”

Weather as a Weapon of War

Operation Popeye was a now-declassified attempt by the U.S. military to modify the weather in Southeast Asia from 1967 to 1972. The U.S. military conducted cloud-seeding operations over the Ho-Chi Minh trail during the Vietnam War. Cloud-seeding typically involves planes flying overhead and spraying silver iodide into the air. The goal in Vietnam was to extend monsoon season and flood out the enemy. It was reported that the operations were “tightly controlled” by Henry Kissinger, who was serving as Secretary of State at the time. Operation Popeye is the first modern example (that we know of) where attempts were made to use weather as a weapon of war.

In April 1976, the New York Times wrote about the situation and the challenges weather modification created:

“Can a nation that tampers with natural balances deny responsibility for what follows? This question, together with recognition that United States policy condemns warfare aimed at civilians, prompted Senator Claiborne Pell in 1973 to introduce a resolution calling for an international treaty to prohibit environmental warfare ‘or the carrying out of any research or experimentation directed thereto.’ The Senate voted 82 to 10 to approve the resolution, which lacks force of law.”

The international treaty referred to is the Environmental Modification Treaty implemented and signed by the United States and other nations to halt global weather modification in the wake of the bad publicity. The Times noted:

“Unfortunately it is far weaker than the Senate resolution. For example, it fails to prohibit military research or development of environmental?modification techniques, and allows all ‘peaceful’ work on such things.”

So as long as a nation claims they are conducting peaceful weather modification, they are not violating the treaty. Further, there is no international body to enforce and punish violations of the treaty.

The Times also mentions the Department of Defense’s “Climate Dynamics” program, formerly known as Project Nile Blue. A 1976 report from Milton Leitenberg for the Federation of Scientists elaborates on the origins of Nile Blue. “Beginning in 1969, ARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency in the U.S. Department of Defense, began funding a project called “Nile Blue (Climate Modification Research),” Leitenberg wrote.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) was the predecessor to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), a secretive agency within the Department of Defense. DARPA is known for developing exotic and emerging technologies for the military. These reports listed above indicated that Project STORMFURY and Project Nile Blue were some of the earliest known military operations conducted in the name of manipulating the weather, including hurricanes.

Leitenberg also noted two examples of times the U.S. has been accused of using weather modification on other nations. The was first related to alleged cloud seeding over Cuba in 1969 and 1970 in an alleged effort to destroy the sugar crops. In the second case, the director of the geographical research center of the University of Mexico implied that the United States was to blame for the effects of Hurricane Fifi over Honduras in 1974. A story from The Naples Daily News on July 15, 1975, expanded upon this claim:

“Dr. Jorge Vivo, director of the Geographic Research Center of the University of Mexico, said Monday the United States ‘artificially detoured’ the hurricane to Honduras to save Florida’s tourist industry. But Neil Frank, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, said Monday night U.S. officials did nothing to alter the hurricane’s path. Vivo told the newspaper El Sol de Mexico he held the United States responsible for 10,000 deaths and millions of dollars in damage caused by Fifi in the Central American nation. He said he believed U.S. weather authorities used silver iodide against Fifi as part of what he called ‘a systematic action’ to change its course.”

More recently, we have seen accusations that the CIA is manipulating the weather. In February 2015, while speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Jose, California, Professor Alan Robock discussed the possibility that the CIA is using the weather as a weapon of war. Robock has conducted research for the intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC) in the past. Robock said he was phoned by two men claiming to be from the CIA and asking whether or not it was possible for hostile governments to use geoengineering against the United States. Geoengineering is another form of weather modification that involves a range of different proposals for combatting climate change.

Despite a lack of concrete evidence to back these claims, we know the military has a history of testing weather modification and has specifically mentioned using the weather as a weapon. For example, In a 1996 document entitled “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025” the U.S. Air Force discussed a number of proposals for using the weather as a weapon.

Whatever view you take of these projects, the fact remains that they helped spur the movement towards using computer models to attempt to predict the weather. Quite simply, the history of computer model weather prediction is intertwined with the military’s attempts to modify the weather. Weather historian James Fleming writes that the two men largely responsible for computer modeling are Vladimir Zworykin, an RCA engineer noted for his early work in television technology, and John von Neumann, a mathematician with the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey. In 1945, Zworykin was promoting the idea that electronic computers could process and analyze mass amounts of meteorological data and issue accurate forecasts.

“The eventual goal to be attained is the international organization of means to study weather phenomena as global phenomena and to channel the world’s weather, as far as possible, in such a way as to minimize the damage from catastrophic disturbances, and otherwise to benefit the world to the greatest extent by improved climatic conditions where ­possible,” Zworykin wrote. According to Fleming, Neumann agreed with this outlook, stating, “I agree with you completely. This would provide a basis for scientific approach[es] to influencing the weather.”

Modern Hurricane Modification

In 2005, following the destruction left by Hurricane Katrina, USA Today wrote:

“In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.”

On November 10, 2005, Dr. Joseph Golden, former manager of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and veteran of Project STORMFURY, testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Disaster Prediction & Prevention, warning about the need for hurricane modification.

“After the horrendous devastation and loss of life from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, I have been asked several times about the possibility of hurricane modification,” Golden stated. “I firmly believe that we are in a much better position, both with the science and the undergirding technology, than we were when Project STORMFURY was terminated. The need for a renewed national commitment and funding for weather modification research has become more urgent.”

Golden is also involved the Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP). In 2010, he gave a presentation discussing how the Department of Homeland Security asked the NOAA to organize a workshop on possible new scientific theory and approaches to hurricane modification in February 2008.

It seems likely that various agencies of the U.S. government began heavily investing in studying weather modification following the destructive hurricane seasons of 2005 and 2008. The idea that the U.S. government could be experimenting with controlling or steering hurricanes may sound like fantasy, but the fact of the matter is the government continues to invest in hurricane modification research. Is it possible that the U.S. government, under the direction of the CIA or the DOD, is working with private industries like General Electric to continue experimenting with weather modification technology? Should the public trust that government officials would fess up to secret experiments?

Depends on if you think they are looking out for you and for everyone in this country.

[Edited on 10/16/2017 by gina]

gina - 10/20/2017 at 12:02 AM

This is the Great earthquake Shake Out Drill that happened today. Advise and prep for the real thing.

Is this just to get you riled up? Well not really, there will be significant energy coming at this planet over the next few weeks, that could create a 6.0 quake for California.

BrerRabbit - 10/20/2017 at 12:25 AM

quote:There's all kinds of stuff going on up there in space.

You would know. Who you jivin with that cosmic debris?
jkeller - 10/20/2017 at 01:15 AM

quote:

quote:There's all kinds of stuff going on up there in space.

You would know. Who you jivin with that cosmic debris?

If you want to have some fun, ask her to explain in her own words what her posts mean. Hilarious.
BrerRabbit - 10/20/2017 at 04:29 AM

quote:Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Beginning in 1947, General Electric, the U.S. Army Corps, the U.S. Air Force, and the Office of Naval Research began attempting to modify hurricanes. The main scientist behind the research was a Nobel Peace Prize-winning chemist named Irving Langmuir. While working as a chemist with GE, Langmuir began to hypothesize about manipulating hurricanes. In October 1947, the researchers decided to seed a hurricane with ice pellets. The hurricane had been drifting to the northeast into the Atlantic Ocean, but after being seeded, the hurricane grew stronger and crashed into Savannah, Georgia.

There was a public backlash and threats of lawsuits against Langmuir and the research team. Despite Langmuir claiming responsibility for affecting the storm, researchers concluded his work did not cause the change in direction. The lawsuits were dropped, but Langmuir continued to work on weather modification. It’s not hard to imagine the U.S. military and General Electric wanting to distance themselves from the destruction by calling their own project a failure. Interestingly, Wikipedia references a 1965 article from the Sun-Sentinel titled “Betsy’s Turnaround Stirs Big Question.” (Betsy was another hurricane reported to have been modified.) The article, written more than a decade later, apparently reports that a hurricane in 1947 “went whacky” and that “[t]welve years later it was admitted the storm had in fact been seeded.” Unfortunately, there is not a digital copy of the article available to verify the claims on Wikipedia.

Most reports on Project Cirrus claim the 1947 hurricane was the only attempt, but a look at records maintained by General Electric indicate there were several more tests on hurricanes. The records list Albuquerque, New Mexico; Mt. Washington, New Hampshire; Burbank, California; and several locations in New York as test sites for cloud seeding with silver iodide. Another section lists cloud seeding attempts in Honduras by Langmuir. The report stated:

“In 1948 and 1949, Langmuir visited Honduras, Guatemala, and Costa Rica to study tropical cloud formations, and particularly to learn what was being done by Joe Silverthorne, a commercial cloud seeder, in seeding clouds for the United Fruit Company. The work was being conducted for the purpose of testing out the possibility of controlling rainfall, and particularly in the hope of stopping blow-downs that result from winds associated with thunderstorms, which occasionally destroy large stands of fruit trees.”

The GE report is well worth your time and attention. It details the contracts between the U.S. military and GE, as well as other historical details regarding GE’s attempts to modify weather.

More recent examples of attempts at weather modification involve programs known as Project Stormfury, Project Cirrus, and Operation Popeye. Project Stormfury was a U.S. government project aimed at weakening Tropical Cyclones by seeding them with silver iodide. From 1961 to 1971, researchers sprayed silver iodide into hurricanes, believing the supercooled water might disrupt the structure of the storm. Officially, the project has been ruled a failure, but it was not the only attempt to manipulate weather in this time period.

One example of seeding a hurricane that may have actually been successful was Hurricane Betsy in 1965. As the Sun-Sentinel reported in 1965:

“Hurricane Betsy was building strength; it looked like it was aiming for South Carolina, posing no threat to South Florida. But on Saturday, Sept. 4, the storm whirled to a stop, about 350 miles east of Jacksonville. When Betsy started moving again on Sunday, she had changed directions. The storm plowed through the Bahamas Monday night, then mauled South Florida a day later.”

Officially, the U.S. government says Hurricane Betsy was designated to be seeded but that apparently, that decision was changed at the last moment. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration recalled the event on the 50th anniversary:

“Dr. Joanne Simpson, Project Director, had ordered the fleet of Navy and Weather Bureau research aircraft to deploy to Puerto Rico on August 28th. Over the next two days, the planes monitored the storm’s slow progress toward the designated part of the ocean where they could carry out their weather modification experiments. By August 31st, Betsy had just managed to crawl into the area as a hurricane, so a seeding experiment was scheduled for the next day. The first aircraft had already taken off from Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station, PR the morning of September 1st when word came from the National Hurricane Center that overnight Betsy had completed a loop in its track and was now headed southward and out of the allowed seeding area. The seeding experiments were called off and the mission changed to a ‘dry run’, where the same patterns were flown but no silver iodide was released into the storm. Unfortunately, no one informed the press which had been alerted to STORMFURY’s seeding intentions the previous day.”

The press and the public blamed the researchers for the 138 mph winds and destruction from Betsy. Congress was skeptical of further programs until the researchers were able to smooth things over. “I was totally unaware of the level of emotion and hostility that was directed against anything that had to do with cloud seeding,” Joanne Simpson, one time head of Project Stormfury, told NASA. Simpson would go on to work on a cloud-seeding project called FACE (the Florida Area Cumulus Experiment).

With Hurricane Betsy and the 1947 hurricane, we have two situations where cloud-seeding was reportedly happening, and we have two disastrous outcomes. In both situations, the scientists claimed no responsibility, and no one was held accountable. Again, is it that hard to imagine a government official (or a scientist under government contract) lying about the nature of the work? Especially if that work resulted in millions of dollars in property damage and deaths?

The NOAA even acknowledges that “[s]ince no one at Project STORMFURY nor in the Weather Bureau had advised the public or the press that the actual seeding of the storm had been scrubbed, many people believed it had been carried out and the link to its odd path seemed plausible. Although attempts to clarify the facts about STORMFURY and Betsy were made after the fact, the notion of a link persists to the present.”

Weather as a Weapon of War

Operation Popeye was a now-declassified attempt by the U.S. military to modify the weather in Southeast Asia from 1967 to 1972. The U.S. military conducted cloud-seeding operations over the Ho-Chi Minh trail during the Vietnam War. Cloud-seeding typically involves planes flying overhead and spraying silver iodide into the air. The goal in Vietnam was to extend monsoon season and flood out the enemy. It was reported that the operations were “tightly controlled” by Henry Kissinger, who was serving as Secretary of State at the time. Operation Popeye is the first modern example (that we know of) where attempts were made to use weather as a weapon of war.

In April 1976, the New York Times wrote about the situation and the challenges weather modification created:

“Can a nation that tampers with natural balances deny responsibility for what follows? This question, together with recognition that United States policy condemns warfare aimed at civilians, prompted Senator Claiborne Pell in 1973 to introduce a resolution calling for an international treaty to prohibit environmental warfare ‘or the carrying out of any research or experimentation directed thereto.’ The Senate voted 82 to 10 to approve the resolution, which lacks force of law.”

The international treaty referred to is the Environmental Modification Treaty implemented and signed by the United States and other nations to halt global weather modification in the wake of the bad publicity. The Times noted:

“Unfortunately it is far weaker than the Senate resolution. For example, it fails to prohibit military research or development of environmental?modification techniques, and allows all ‘peaceful’ work on such things.”

So as long as a nation claims they are conducting peaceful weather modification, they are not violating the treaty. Further, there is no international body to enforce and punish violations of the treaty.

The Times also mentions the Department of Defense’s “Climate Dynamics” program, formerly known as Project Nile Blue. A 1976 report from Milton Leitenberg for the Federation of Scientists elaborates on the origins of Nile Blue. “Beginning in 1969, ARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency in the U.S. Department of Defense, began funding a project called “Nile Blue (Climate Modification Research),” Leitenberg wrote.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) was the predecessor to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), a secretive agency within the Department of Defense. DARPA is known for developing exotic and emerging technologies for the military. These reports listed above indicated that Project STORMFURY and Project Nile Blue were some of the earliest known military operations conducted in the name of manipulating the weather, including hurricanes.

Leitenberg also noted two examples of times the U.S. has been accused of using weather modification on other nations. The was first related to alleged cloud seeding over Cuba in 1969 and 1970 in an alleged effort to destroy the sugar crops. In the second case, the director of the geographical research center of the University of Mexico implied that the United States was to blame for the effects of Hurricane Fifi over Honduras in 1974. A story from The Naples Daily News on July 15, 1975, expanded upon this claim:

“Dr. Jorge Vivo, director of the Geographic Research Center of the University of Mexico, said Monday the United States ‘artificially detoured’ the hurricane to Honduras to save Florida’s tourist industry. But Neil Frank, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, said Monday night U.S. officials did nothing to alter the hurricane’s path. Vivo told the newspaper El Sol de Mexico he held the United States responsible for 10,000 deaths and millions of dollars in damage caused by Fifi in the Central American nation. He said he believed U.S. weather authorities used silver iodide against Fifi as part of what he called ‘a systematic action’ to change its course.”

More recently, we have seen accusations that the CIA is manipulating the weather. In February 2015, while speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Jose, California, Professor Alan Robock discussed the possibility that the CIA is using the weather as a weapon of war. Robock has conducted research for the intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC) in the past. Robock said he was phoned by two men claiming to be from the CIA and asking whether or not it was possible for hostile governments to use geoengineering against the United States. Geoengineering is another form of weather modification that involves a range of different proposals for combatting climate change.

Despite a lack of concrete evidence to back these claims, we know the military has a history of testing weather modification and has specifically mentioned using the weather as a weapon. For example, In a 1996 document entitled “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025” the U.S. Air Force discussed a number of proposals for using the weather as a weapon.

Whatever view you take of these projects, the fact remains that they helped spur the movement towards using computer models to attempt to predict the weather. Quite simply, the history of computer model weather prediction is intertwined with the military’s attempts to modify the weather. Weather historian James Fleming writes that the two men largely responsible for computer modeling are Vladimir Zworykin, an RCA engineer noted for his early work in television technology, and John von Neumann, a mathematician with the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey. In 1945, Zworykin was promoting the idea that electronic computers could process and analyze mass amounts of meteorological data and issue accurate forecasts.

“The eventual goal to be attained is the international organization of means to study weather phenomena as global phenomena and to channel the world’s weather, as far as possible, in such a way as to minimize the damage from catastrophic disturbances, and otherwise to benefit the world to the greatest extent by improved climatic conditions where ­possible,” Zworykin wrote. According to Fleming, Neumann agreed with this outlook, stating, “I agree with you completely. This would provide a basis for scientific approach[es] to influencing the weather.”

Modern Hurricane Modification

In 2005, following the destruction left by Hurricane Katrina, USA Today wrote:

“In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.”

On November 10, 2005, Dr. Joseph Golden, former manager of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and veteran of Project STORMFURY, testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Disaster Prediction & Prevention, warning about the need for hurricane modification.

“After the horrendous devastation and loss of life from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, I have been asked several times about the possibility of hurricane modification,” Golden stated. “I firmly believe that we are in a much better position, both with the science and the undergirding technology, than we were when Project STORMFURY was terminated. The need for a renewed national commitment and funding for weather modification research has become more urgent.”

Golden is also involved the Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP). In 2010, he gave a presentation discussing how the Department of Homeland Security asked the NOAA to organize a workshop on possible new scientific theory and approaches to hurricane modification in February 2008.

It seems likely that various agencies of the U.S. government began heavily investing in studying weather modification following the destructive hurricane seasons of 2005 and 2008. The idea that the U.S. government could be experimenting with controlling or steering hurricanes may sound like fantasy, but the fact of the matter is the government continues to invest in hurricane modification research. Is it possible that the U.S. government, under the direction of the CIA or the DOD, is working with private industries like General Electric to continue experimenting with weather modification technology? Should the public trust that government officials would fess up to secret experiments?

Depends on if you think they are looking out for you and for everyone in this country.

Cliff notes please.Stephen - 10/24/2017 at 02:05 AM

Something Gina posted some time back, IIRC, is proving out according to a radio report I heard today, which said that starting in 2030, NYC can expect catastrophic flooding every 5 years because of global warming -- one never knows for sure about this stuff but the talking heads do seem to getting more & more convinced...

[Edited on 10/24/2017 by Stephen]

gina - 10/24/2017 at 11:57 PM

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quote:Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Despite these modest statements, the history of weather modification and the desire to manipulate hurricanes has a history stretching back at least 100 years to people often known as “rainmakers.” The rainmakers were men who studied “pluviculture,” or the act of attempting to artificially create rain, usually to fight drought. Most of these men were seen as scammers, traveling salesman pitching fantasy ideas to the gullible about creating rain. However, one of the most successful rainmakers was Charles Hatfield. Born in 1875, Hatfield migrated to Southern California and studied pluviculture, eventually creating a secret mixture of 23 chemicals he said could induce rain. Using his secret mixture, Hatfield successfully created storms several times and began to find work creating rain.

In 1915, Hatfield began working for the San Diego city council to produce enough rain to fill the Morena Dam reservoir. Hatfield was told he would receive $10,000 once the reservoir was filled. In early January 1915, rain began pouring down over the dam, growing heavier with each day that passed. On January 20, the dam broke, causing mass flooding that led to an estimated 20 deaths. Hatfield told the press he was not to blame, stating the city should have taken precautions. The city refused to pay Hatfield unless he also accepted liability for the damage and deaths. After legal battles ensued, Hatfield was absolved of any wrongdoing when the storm was officially ruled an act of God. However, due to the ruling, Hatfield’s work was seen as a failure, and he was (mostly) relegated to forgotten pages of history.

Beginning in 1947, General Electric, the U.S. Army Corps, the U.S. Air Force, and the Office of Naval Research began attempting to modify hurricanes. The main scientist behind the research was a Nobel Peace Prize-winning chemist named Irving Langmuir. While working as a chemist with GE, Langmuir began to hypothesize about manipulating hurricanes. In October 1947, the researchers decided to seed a hurricane with ice pellets. The hurricane had been drifting to the northeast into the Atlantic Ocean, but after being seeded, the hurricane grew stronger and crashed into Savannah, Georgia.

There was a public backlash and threats of lawsuits against Langmuir and the research team. Despite Langmuir claiming responsibility for affecting the storm, researchers concluded his work did not cause the change in direction. The lawsuits were dropped, but Langmuir continued to work on weather modification. It’s not hard to imagine the U.S. military and General Electric wanting to distance themselves from the destruction by calling their own project a failure. Interestingly, Wikipedia references a 1965 article from the Sun-Sentinel titled “Betsy’s Turnaround Stirs Big Question.” (Betsy was another hurricane reported to have been modified.) The article, written more than a decade later, apparently reports that a hurricane in 1947 “went whacky” and that “[t]welve years later it was admitted the storm had in fact been seeded.” Unfortunately, there is not a digital copy of the article available to verify the claims on Wikipedia.

Most reports on Project Cirrus claim the 1947 hurricane was the only attempt, but a look at records maintained by General Electric indicate there were several more tests on hurricanes. The records list Albuquerque, New Mexico; Mt. Washington, New Hampshire; Burbank, California; and several locations in New York as test sites for cloud seeding with silver iodide. Another section lists cloud seeding attempts in Honduras by Langmuir. The report stated:

“In 1948 and 1949, Langmuir visited Honduras, Guatemala, and Costa Rica to study tropical cloud formations, and particularly to learn what was being done by Joe Silverthorne, a commercial cloud seeder, in seeding clouds for the United Fruit Company. The work was being conducted for the purpose of testing out the possibility of controlling rainfall, and particularly in the hope of stopping blow-downs that result from winds associated with thunderstorms, which occasionally destroy large stands of fruit trees.”

The GE report is well worth your time and attention. It details the contracts between the U.S. military and GE, as well as other historical details regarding GE’s attempts to modify weather.

More recent examples of attempts at weather modification involve programs known as Project Stormfury, Project Cirrus, and Operation Popeye. Project Stormfury was a U.S. government project aimed at weakening Tropical Cyclones by seeding them with silver iodide. From 1961 to 1971, researchers sprayed silver iodide into hurricanes, believing the supercooled water might disrupt the structure of the storm. Officially, the project has been ruled a failure, but it was not the only attempt to manipulate weather in this time period.

One example of seeding a hurricane that may have actually been successful was Hurricane Betsy in 1965. As the Sun-Sentinel reported in 1965:

“Hurricane Betsy was building strength; it looked like it was aiming for South Carolina, posing no threat to South Florida. But on Saturday, Sept. 4, the storm whirled to a stop, about 350 miles east of Jacksonville. When Betsy started moving again on Sunday, she had changed directions. The storm plowed through the Bahamas Monday night, then mauled South Florida a day later.”

Officially, the U.S. government says Hurricane Betsy was designated to be seeded but that apparently, that decision was changed at the last moment. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration recalled the event on the 50th anniversary:

“Dr. Joanne Simpson, Project Director, had ordered the fleet of Navy and Weather Bureau research aircraft to deploy to Puerto Rico on August 28th. Over the next two days, the planes monitored the storm’s slow progress toward the designated part of the ocean where they could carry out their weather modification experiments. By August 31st, Betsy had just managed to crawl into the area as a hurricane, so a seeding experiment was scheduled for the next day. The first aircraft had already taken off from Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station, PR the morning of September 1st when word came from the National Hurricane Center that overnight Betsy had completed a loop in its track and was now headed southward and out of the allowed seeding area. The seeding experiments were called off and the mission changed to a ‘dry run’, where the same patterns were flown but no silver iodide was released into the storm. Unfortunately, no one informed the press which had been alerted to STORMFURY’s seeding intentions the previous day.”

The press and the public blamed the researchers for the 138 mph winds and destruction from Betsy. Congress was skeptical of further programs until the researchers were able to smooth things over. “I was totally unaware of the level of emotion and hostility that was directed against anything that had to do with cloud seeding,” Joanne Simpson, one time head of Project Stormfury, told NASA. Simpson would go on to work on a cloud-seeding project called FACE (the Florida Area Cumulus Experiment).

With Hurricane Betsy and the 1947 hurricane, we have two situations where cloud-seeding was reportedly happening, and we have two disastrous outcomes. In both situations, the scientists claimed no responsibility, and no one was held accountable. Again, is it that hard to imagine a government official (or a scientist under government contract) lying about the nature of the work? Especially if that work resulted in millions of dollars in property damage and deaths?

The NOAA even acknowledges that “[s]ince no one at Project STORMFURY nor in the Weather Bureau had advised the public or the press that the actual seeding of the storm had been scrubbed, many people believed it had been carried out and the link to its odd path seemed plausible. Although attempts to clarify the facts about STORMFURY and Betsy were made after the fact, the notion of a link persists to the present.”

Weather as a Weapon of War

Operation Popeye was a now-declassified attempt by the U.S. military to modify the weather in Southeast Asia from 1967 to 1972. The U.S. military conducted cloud-seeding operations over the Ho-Chi Minh trail during the Vietnam War. Cloud-seeding typically involves planes flying overhead and spraying silver iodide into the air. The goal in Vietnam was to extend monsoon season and flood out the enemy. It was reported that the operations were “tightly controlled” by Henry Kissinger, who was serving as Secretary of State at the time. Operation Popeye is the first modern example (that we know of) where attempts were made to use weather as a weapon of war.

In April 1976, the New York Times wrote about the situation and the challenges weather modification created:

“Can a nation that tampers with natural balances deny responsibility for what follows? This question, together with recognition that United States policy condemns warfare aimed at civilians, prompted Senator Claiborne Pell in 1973 to introduce a resolution calling for an international treaty to prohibit environmental warfare ‘or the carrying out of any research or experimentation directed thereto.’ The Senate voted 82 to 10 to approve the resolution, which lacks force of law.”

The international treaty referred to is the Environmental Modification Treaty implemented and signed by the United States and other nations to halt global weather modification in the wake of the bad publicity. The Times noted:

“Unfortunately it is far weaker than the Senate resolution. For example, it fails to prohibit military research or development of environmental?modification techniques, and allows all ‘peaceful’ work on such things.”

So as long as a nation claims they are conducting peaceful weather modification, they are not violating the treaty. Further, there is no international body to enforce and punish violations of the treaty.

The Times also mentions the Department of Defense’s “Climate Dynamics” program, formerly known as Project Nile Blue. A 1976 report from Milton Leitenberg for the Federation of Scientists elaborates on the origins of Nile Blue. “Beginning in 1969, ARPA, the Advanced Research Projects Agency in the U.S. Department of Defense, began funding a project called “Nile Blue (Climate Modification Research),” Leitenberg wrote.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) was the predecessor to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), a secretive agency within the Department of Defense. DARPA is known for developing exotic and emerging technologies for the military. These reports listed above indicated that Project STORMFURY and Project Nile Blue were some of the earliest known military operations conducted in the name of manipulating the weather, including hurricanes.

Leitenberg also noted two examples of times the U.S. has been accused of using weather modification on other nations. The was first related to alleged cloud seeding over Cuba in 1969 and 1970 in an alleged effort to destroy the sugar crops. In the second case, the director of the geographical research center of the University of Mexico implied that the United States was to blame for the effects of Hurricane Fifi over Honduras in 1974. A story from The Naples Daily News on July 15, 1975, expanded upon this claim:

“Dr. Jorge Vivo, director of the Geographic Research Center of the University of Mexico, said Monday the United States ‘artificially detoured’ the hurricane to Honduras to save Florida’s tourist industry. But Neil Frank, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, said Monday night U.S. officials did nothing to alter the hurricane’s path. Vivo told the newspaper El Sol de Mexico he held the United States responsible for 10,000 deaths and millions of dollars in damage caused by Fifi in the Central American nation. He said he believed U.S. weather authorities used silver iodide against Fifi as part of what he called ‘a systematic action’ to change its course.”

More recently, we have seen accusations that the CIA is manipulating the weather. In February 2015, while speaking at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in San Jose, California, Professor Alan Robock discussed the possibility that the CIA is using the weather as a weapon of war. Robock has conducted research for the intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC) in the past. Robock said he was phoned by two men claiming to be from the CIA and asking whether or not it was possible for hostile governments to use geoengineering against the United States. Geoengineering is another form of weather modification that involves a range of different proposals for combatting climate change.

Despite a lack of concrete evidence to back these claims, we know the military has a history of testing weather modification and has specifically mentioned using the weather as a weapon. For example, In a 1996 document entitled “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather by 2025” the U.S. Air Force discussed a number of proposals for using the weather as a weapon.

Whatever view you take of these projects, the fact remains that they helped spur the movement towards using computer models to attempt to predict the weather. Quite simply, the history of computer model weather prediction is intertwined with the military’s attempts to modify the weather. Weather historian James Fleming writes that the two men largely responsible for computer modeling are Vladimir Zworykin, an RCA engineer noted for his early work in television technology, and John von Neumann, a mathematician with the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey. In 1945, Zworykin was promoting the idea that electronic computers could process and analyze mass amounts of meteorological data and issue accurate forecasts.

“The eventual goal to be attained is the international organization of means to study weather phenomena as global phenomena and to channel the world’s weather, as far as possible, in such a way as to minimize the damage from catastrophic disturbances, and otherwise to benefit the world to the greatest extent by improved climatic conditions where ­possible,” Zworykin wrote. According to Fleming, Neumann agreed with this outlook, stating, “I agree with you completely. This would provide a basis for scientific approach[es] to influencing the weather.”

Modern Hurricane Modification

In 2005, following the destruction left by Hurricane Katrina, USA Today wrote:

“In fact, military officials and weather modification experts could be on the verge of joining forces to better gauge, react to, and possibly nullify future hostile forces churned out by Mother Nature.”

On November 10, 2005, Dr. Joseph Golden, former manager of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and veteran of Project STORMFURY, testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Disaster Prediction & Prevention, warning about the need for hurricane modification.

“After the horrendous devastation and loss of life from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, I have been asked several times about the possibility of hurricane modification,” Golden stated. “I firmly believe that we are in a much better position, both with the science and the undergirding technology, than we were when Project STORMFURY was terminated. The need for a renewed national commitment and funding for weather modification research has become more urgent.”

Golden is also involved the Hurricane Aerosol and Microphysics Program (HAMP). In 2010, he gave a presentation discussing how the Department of Homeland Security asked the NOAA to organize a workshop on possible new scientific theory and approaches to hurricane modification in February 2008.

It seems likely that various agencies of the U.S. government began heavily investing in studying weather modification following the destructive hurricane seasons of 2005 and 2008. The idea that the U.S. government could be experimenting with controlling or steering hurricanes may sound like fantasy, but the fact of the matter is the government continues to invest in hurricane modification research. Is it possible that the U.S. government, under the direction of the CIA or the DOD, is working with private industries like General Electric to continue experimenting with weather modification technology? Should the public trust that government officials would fess up to secret experiments?

Depends on if you think they are looking out for you and for everyone in this country.

Cliff notes please.

It is examples of how weather modification has been happening over a long amount of time. There is no more question of 'can they really do that' because the answer is yes they can and they have. But before you get your knickers in a knot, realize that other countries also have this technology, so weather warfare could be waged by one or more countries against another. If they all just left the weather up to God we'd probably be better off, but it's gone too far now. The magnetic poles have already shifted, the north pole is now off of England, the axis of the earth has changed and along with that, the rotation. The poles are moving and there are large areas of this planet that will eventually become un-inhabitable unless the scientists can correct/manipulate things.

So for anyone at this point to say, ah-ha we know you people have been doing this, now stop messin' with the weather is not gong to work.

gina - 10/24/2017 at 11:58 PM

quote:

quote:There's all kinds of stuff going on up there in space.

You would know. Who you jivin with that cosmic debris?

If Frank's up there looking down on this planet, I cannot imagine what songs he's writing about it now!
gina - 10/27/2017 at 11:42 PM

Now we now. They are caused by the slowing of the earth's rotation, and the movement of the plates that causes pressure in the magma in the earth. The magnetic pole shift is starting. A new ice age is beginning.

Supposed to be 90ish this TG out So Cal way. Been a while but not unprecedented. Fortunately, not a lot of people at our house so we won't have to run the AC if needed during dinner. That being said, I can deal with it. Cheers!

Stephen - 11/25/2017 at 04:13 PM

Reportedly a volcano has "erupted violently" in Mexico (quote from internet headline)
that on top of the recent earthquake there
Gina's 11/20 post makes sense to me -- have always thought that -- a sub-tectonic-plate tremor will one day set earth on its ear & the species of man into extinction -- no loss, we occupy the low end of the life chain (example, "Egypt raises death toll in Sinai mosque attack to 305" on same internet page)
don't know how serious that volcanic blast is yet

[Edited on 11/25/2017 by Stephen]

gina - 11/30/2017 at 01:10 AM

The plates are moving, they always do, but the thing is this, we have the axis of the earth slowing down it's rotation, solar winds play a role in that, the tilt is off, AND the magnetic pole has moved significantly east. One weather forecaster said in 9 days we will get hit with a cold snap, I don't know if it will just stay that way after that.

Edgar Cayce saw in visions that Japan would eventually be completely submerged when the Ring of Fire and the plates there drag it under the ocean, California and the Pacific northwest will at some point experience a large quake that will break up the land, after that the southern coast of Georgia and South Carolina will go under water, and after that NYC. The Navy said the same thing back in the late 70's, their map has everything east of I-81 and he Appalachians going under water, due to land, earth changes, that happen from the earthquakes, oceans rising etc.