<quoted text>I wasn't apologizing. You have reading comprehension issues too, huh?The discussion was about abortions. Hence my use of the medical definition of abortion. Also, LynneD's own source confirmed that even if the fetus is dead, the woman is still pregnant if it remains in her uterus.

No it didn't. Your posts proved you can't read for comprehension.Just because a woman doesn't know she miscarried, doesn't mean it didn't happen if the fetus IS dead.

... With a missed miscarriage, the woman has no exterior symptoms of losing the pregnancy because the body fails to "notice" the loss of the baby....

... As a result, the fetal tissue is not immediately expelled by the uterus....

...Although there may be no typical signs of a miscarriage, for a woman suffering a missed miscarriage, she may stop feeling the symptoms of pregnancy, such as nausea, tender breasts, etc...

...With most any other miscarriage, the body will take care of expelling the fetal tissue on its own, but with a missed miscarriage, you may have to resort to medical intervention to ensure that you do not retain the fetal tissue, which can eventually result in infection. If the pregnancy is earlier than 8 weeks, your doctor may give you misoprostol to encourage the uterus to expel the tissue. After 8 weeks, your doctor may take a wait and see approach to allow the body to eventually react to the miscarriage naturally...."

Did they say wait for the body to react to the miscarriage? What miscarriage? The one that happened when the fetus died but there weren't any symptoms of losing the baby, even though the fetus wasn't expelled, and so the woman doesn't know her pregnancy ended? Why yes, that is what they're saying about a "missed miscarriage".

Miscarriages that have no symptoms are what a missed miscarriage is, and it says that doctors may take a wait and see approach to allow the body to react to the pregnancy having "miscarried".Missed miscarriage is only about [the (woman's body) not recognizing the pregnancy ended], when the fetus died, and the body is not having the usual symptoms of miscarriage such as "cramping, nausea, and bleeding, which is often heavy".

Don't know how many different ways this can be worded for dummies, but I doubt the pro-choicers will understand it, no matter how it's written. Miscarriage means signs of pregnancy will decrease and ultimately stop because the pregnancy ended. The body does take time for the changes to occur, depending on the type of miscarriage that happened.

Fetus dies, pregnancy is over, whether fetus is still in utero or is expelled naturally.

This discussion is about D&C procedure for miscarriages, and that procedure not being an abortion procedure. Bitner likes to try to bring in "missed miscarriage" so that it can fit the PC lie that a D&C after miscarriage would be an abortion procedure, using the "still pregnant" bullshit. It's ridiculous.

Pro-choicers have tried and failed on every level to make any sense of the stupidity they've posted about it.

~"Most of the time all types of miscarriage are just called miscarriage, but you may hear your health care provider refer to other terms or names of miscarriage such as:

Threatened Miscarriage: Some degree of early pregnancy uterine bleeding accompanied by cramping or lower backache. The cervix remains closed. This bleeding is often the result of implantation.

Inevitable or Incomplete Miscarriage: Abdominal or back pain accompanied by bleeding with an open cervix. Miscarriage is inevitable when there is a dilation or effacement of the cervix and/or there is rupture of the membranes. Bleeding and cramps may persist if the miscarriage is not complete.

Complete Miscarriage: A completed miscarriage is when the embryo or products of conception have emptied out of the uterus. Bleeding should subside quickly, as should any pain or cramping. A completed miscarriage can be confirmed by an ultrasound or by having a surgical curettage (D&C) performed.

Missed Miscarriage: Women can experience a miscarriage without knowing it. A missed miscarriage is when embryonic death has occurred but there is not any expulsion of the embryo. It is not known why this occurs. Signs of this would be a loss of pregnancy symptoms and the absence of fetal heart tones found on an ultrasound."~

All types of spontaneous abortions have symptoms except the "missed miscarriage". That's why it's considered "missed". The body [failed to recognize] the fetus died.

Not at all the same as "missed period" as Bitner the DOPE thinks. What's "missed" in a "missed miscarriage" are [the symptoms] that it happened.

<quoted text> ... You out of the blue come out with that post saying a PCer said it, no prochoicer said it in February prior to you saying they did....You brought it up in February and you were told then that a D&C was not an abortion by at least 3 PC posters. I told you it wasn't an abortion so that's 4 PC posters....

To answer one of your questions, yes, Foo, Elise and Katie are all pathological liars. We pro-lifers have proven it about them all. Not only were they saying it in Jan.(I didn't say anything about Feb),(they said it in Oct.) they also said it in Jan.

Oct. 6, 2012Post 262234Foo: "...I at NO time EVER made the claim that a D&C is an "abortion procedure for the treatment of an incomplete spontaneous abortion"..."

What is an incomplete spontaneous abortion? "Inevitable or Incomplete Miscarriage: Abdominal or back pain accompanied by bleeding with an open cervix. Miscarriage is inevitable when there is a dilation or effacement of the cervix and/or there is rupture of the membranes. Bleeding and cramps may persist if the miscarriage is not complete."

No mention of dead fetus having been expelled. Incomplete means "products of conception still remain in uterus and those products may include the dead fetus.

Oct. 7, 2012Post 262413~Foo: "If a woman has a dead fetus in her, then yes, it IS an abortion procedure to get rid of the dead fetal matter."~

Foo is saying a D&C "IS an "abortion procedure" for miscarriage.

Post 262385Oct. 7, 2012~Elise: "If the fetus is dead the woman is still pregnant and an abortion is performed to terminate the pregnancy and evacuate the uterus. An abortion is an abortion is an abortion as far as medicine is concerned. I don't know why you go on about that and about D&Cs, Lily."~

Elise is saying "and an abortion is performed" for miscarriage, using the claim that woman is "still pregnant".

<quoted text>One doesn't miscarry a child. A child is already born.Still, pay attention, Stupid Sassy. The discussion is about a MISSED MISCARRIAGE, not a complete miscarriage. The fetus is dead, but isn't yet expelled. The medical definition of abortion, plus LynneD's own source confirm that in that case, the woman is still pregnant.Really, if you can't pay better attention, why bother posting?Whoever said "It's better to remain quiet and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt" could have been talking about you, specifically.

"One doesn't miscarry a child. A child is already born."

You're always wrong because you can't understand what you read, and ignore what would be impossible for anyone with an IQ above 10 should be able to understand. You people try to ignore what's already been defined, and try to redefine what's already been defined.

<quoted text>I wasn't apologizing. You have reading comprehension issues too, huh?The discussion was about abortions. Hence my use of the medical definition of abortion. Also, LynneD's own source confirmed that even if the fetus is dead, the woman is still pregnant if it remains in her uterus.

No it didn't confirm that, lol. A missed miscarriage is when the woman's body [failed to notice] the "loss of the baby". The woman doesn't know she's no longer pregnant, but she isn't, reagrdless of whether she knows it or not.

<quoted text>No, obviously you did NOT understand the discussion, or you wouldn't have asked your question again. Which IS, by the way, unanswerable as one does not miscarry a child. Children are already born, and by that time there is no pregnancy to end.Once again, the discussion was not about a complete miscarriage, but a MISSED MISCARRIAGE, where the fetus does not naturally expel.Now, perhaps you will answer the questions I asked LynneD. Could you please explain to us all what a missed period is, or a missed appointment?

You look so stupid each time you post your ignorance about a missed miscarriage, and also each time you try to compare it to a missed appt. or period.

A fetus IS someone's son or daughter, and anyone who has had a baby and isn't one of you pro-choice boneheads knows it for a fact. Ultra sounds can prove it by 4 months. The gender is determined at week 7.

The child is often given a name by his or her parents in 2nd tri-mester.

So yes, a fetus is either someone's son or daughter.

Even trying to make the claim that it is neither only displays your ridiculousness, senselessness, and sheer stupidity.

<quoted text>You're an idiot.What fetus? I'm not pregnant.No, it was either a male or a female fetus in my uterus when I was pregnant.Deal with it.And try to pay better attention to the conversations you insert yourself into.

Sassy said your fetus was either your son or daughter, and you answered:"No, it was either a male or a female fetus in my uterus when I was pregnant."

You're insane if you think that answer proved Sassy wrong, or proved you right that it wasn't your son (male) or daughter (female), moron.

<quoted text>sorry, you apologized.<quoted text>the discussion involved you saying a woman carrying a dead fetus was still pregnant. hence, you were wrong.how does it feel?<quoted text>it confirmed no such thing. that was your interpretation of her source.by definition ( medical definition) a woman carrying a dead fetus is not pregnant.damn you're stupid.

<quoted text>Bhitler: "MISSED MISCARRIAGE"__________ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code O02.1Missed abortion•Retention in uterus of an abortus that has been dead at least 4 weeks.Applicable To•Early fetal death, before completion of 20 weeks of gestation, with retention of dead fetusExcludes:•failed induced abortion•fetal death (intrauterine)(late)•missed abortion with blighted ovum•missed abortion with hydatidiform mole•missed abortion with nonhydatidiform•missed abortion with other abnormal products of conception•missed delivery•stillbirthhttp://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/O00-O9...

"Missed abortion•Retention in uterus of an abortus that has been dead at least 4 weeks."

Yes, an "abortus" is a fetus that ABORTED at less than 12 weeks. In the case of a missed miscarriage and for anyone who's not a pc bonehead, that means spontaneously aborted. It's still in utero but it's dead. Pregnancy is done, "abortion" already happened when fetus died, fetus just hasn't spontaneously expelled from body yet.

<quoted text>If you knew you'd miscarried, you'd answer No, you were not pregnant because the spontaneous abortion is complete.If you hadn't realized you'd miscarried, you'd answer Yes, you are pregnant because the spontaneous was not complete.Pretty basic stuff, JM.

Not realizing you've miscarried in no way means you are still pregnant. Only that you THINK you are. Medically, you're not.

<quoted text>So nice of you to come out of the woodwork to offer condolences.Noticed your isp says Cypress, CA. Also noticed a post made by a poster whose isp was Cypress CA, just to post insults, and the name wasn't pbfa. I thought it might be STO, but it was more than likely, you. You pro-choicers make it appear as though you're not posting here, but you people are, under different monikers.Funny whenever you hypocrites try to accuse others of supposedly being so dishonest, according to you PC, for supposedly doing what you PCers do; post here not using your usual moniker.

<quoted text>The point, Stupid Sassy, that I was discussing, is that there has BEEN no miscarriage. That's what a MISSED miscarriage MEANS, you Idiot. Your question doesn't apply. If the miscarriage were complete, then the woman would not BE pregnant. If the fetus is still inside her uterus, then it's NOT complete, and she is still pregnant.Again, I ask you, could you please explain to us all what a MISSED period is, or a MISSED appointment?

"... With a missed miscarriage, the woman has no exterior symptoms of losing the pregnancy because the body fails to "notice" the loss of the baby....

... As a result, the fetal tissue is not immediately expelled by the uterus....

...Although there may be no typical signs of a miscarriage, for a woman suffering a missed miscarriage, she may stop feeling the symptoms of pregnancy, such as nausea, tender breasts, etc..."

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycom...~Missed Miscarriage: Women can experience a miscarriage without knowing it. A missed miscarriage is when embryonic death has occurred but there is not any expulsion of the embryo. It is not known why this occurs. Signs of this would be a loss of pregnancy symptoms and the absence of fetal heart tones found on an ultrasound."~

You're a "missed" embarrassment, to yourself. You're an embarrassment to yourself but your brain hasn't noticed it yet.

<quoted text> Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Our bodies die but our souls live on for eternity. Our bodies are treated with respect even after death because of it.You don't visit anyone that you loved grave?

No, I don't. They aren't there. Checking out old tombstones is kinda interesing. You might recognize a surname and go, Hey that family still lives in this town.

<quoted text>"One doesn't miscarry a child. A child is already born."You're always wrong because you can't understand what you read, and ignore what would be impossible for anyone with an IQ above 10 should be able to understand. You people try to ignore what's already been defined, and try to redefine what's already been defined.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/child"child[chahyld] Show IPAnoun, plural chil·dren.1. a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl: books for children.2. a son or daughter: All my children are married.3. a baby or infant.4. a human fetus.5. a childish person: He's such a child about money."By definition, not only is a fetus a "child" (definition 2 & 4), but you are a "child".(definition 5)

Definition #1, the primary defition, was obviously ignored by you. Sure we can accept what the dictionary says.... can you?

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