Hey, there's a familiar term here ;) : "The conditions which I have in mind are not solely external human relationships and social circumstances; what I have in mind is the deep psychic structure of American men and women and their society. It requires time to gain an understanding of this structure." -- Willhem Reich, Function of the OrgasmHey, there's a familiar term here ;) : "The conditions which I have in mind are not solely external human relationships and social circumstances; what I have in mind is the deep psychic structure...See more

Well I am not assuming that there is a Prime mover, I am just open to the possibility that there may be one. Which means I am not a rigid atheist. And when contemplating the possibilities of what a God that may exist is, I see it as one with the concept of nature and the universe, as opposed to a personal deity. I try to based my opinions that can not be proven either way on what we can observe about the universe. So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with a seemingly cruel natured world, death disease, suffering and so on, does not seem compatible with the notion of a loving God. However, if you view god(s) as the very universe or nature itself, than the ways of the cosmos are explain in conjunction with that notion of god(s). God is nature...I can see that. Though you could never test that hypothesis, so it is it is only philosophical.Well I am not assuming that there is a Prime mover, I am just open to the possibility that there may be one. Which means I am not a rigid atheist. And when contemplating the possibilities of what a Go...See more

I have a follow up coming for your esponse as a whole, but I have to ask, wouldn't not assuming there is a god yet being open to the possibility (essentially knowing you don't know), wouldn't that be agnosticism?

“I try to based my opinions that can not be proven either way on what we can observe about the universe.”

No you don't. We can observe this from your example below...

“So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with a seemingly cruel natured world, death disease, suffering and so on, does not seem compatible with the notion of a loving God.”

First of all you repeated yourself as if you wrote the last part of your sentence having forgotten that's what you said in the first part. It's kind of got a structure like AA BB AA.

“So for instance, the notion of an all powerful loving God is inconsistent with what appears to me to be a cruel natured world which includes within it death, disease, suffering and so on.”

That simplification aside, note your adjectives. “inconsistent” and “incompatible” All you're really saying is the idea of a loving god doesn't fit in with what appears to be true to you, thus, you are reasoning from ideas, which makes you a person of reason, not empiricism or evidence. They aren't mutually exclusive, but your statement is that the world seems to have a cruel nature, not that it does. It is something you've reasoned is possibly true, based on vague ideas about death, disease, suffering and so on.

My position that nature is cruel and God is not all loving comes in part after years of contemplating Roman Catholic dogma. But I invoke the words of Stephen Fry on this issue. “Yes, the world is very splendid but it also has in it insects whose whole lifecycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why? Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation in which that didn’t exist. It is simply not acceptable.

“It’s perfectly apparent that he is monstrous. Utterly monstrous and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living in my opinion.”My position that nature is cruel and God is not all loving comes in part after years of contemplating Roman Catholic dogma. But I invoke the words of Stephen Fry on this issue. “Yes, the world is very...See more

But it is a deep philosophical and theological question that people have been trying to answer for centuries. That is, if God is all loving, why does he allow suffering? I'm not the first, nor will I be the last to chime in on this. There is a story, it may be apocryphal, but it is potent either way, of a quote that was carved on a wall of a concentration camp "If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness".But it is a deep philosophical and theological question that people have been trying to answer for centuries. That is, if God is all loving, why does he allow suffering? I'm not the first, nor will I ...See more

Here's my take. People consider this because they fail to think for themselves. Nonody comes up with the all-loving god bit on their own, they get the idea from someone else. It's more interesting to me to learn why people believe the things they do, than to take on someone else's idea.Here's my take. People consider this because they fail to think for themselves. Nonody comes up with the all-loving god bit on their own, they get the idea from someone else. It's more interesting to ...See more

Who else is sick of our disgusting society and its weak-willed submission to an oppressive tyrant? I once followed the one they call god. I was deceived into following rules which forbid me from experiencing my rightful pleasures of life. Islam is no different. I've fought those pigs in foreign lands. I firmly believe we all need to embrace the Morning Star and rebel against the tyrant. If you yearn for true freedom to enjoy our mortality as we should, message me. I yearn for those of a like mind. Who else is sick of our disgusting society and its weak-willed submission to an oppressive tyrant? I once followed the one they call god. I was deceived into following rules which forbid me from experiencing my rightful pleasures of life. Islam is no different. I've fought those pigs in foreign land...See more

Yes Brother... also I was an active church member... doing everything the way i was told. But then i felt the emptyness. My flesh got never satified in those circles. I wanted to change my paths to Satan!

Freeing people's minds is the best way to fight tyranny of all sorts. I am planning on starting an onion based library of the LHP and Thelema and I am going to try to get several titles in the Arabic and other regional languages. Being an onion site, it could be accessed without the knowledge of any government from any place in the world.Freeing people's minds is the best way to fight tyranny of all sorts. I am planning on starting an onion based library of the LHP and Thelema and I am going to try to get several titles in the Arabic ...See more