haha they're going to be real disappointed when all the credit applications come back denied.

I would not be so sure of that. Not all of them will be denied. These crooks know what they are doing with stolen identities. They are certain to score BIG on a large number people with good credit and sizable accounts with millions of stolen personal identities..

Obamacare is filthy, corrupt and has almost nothing to do with healthcare. It's a sad and tragic time in America.

Applegirl,

You are RIGHT ON ! It is yet another ugly face of Socialism - Those who work hard who pay their own way are also being FORCED to pay the bills for those who don't, at the point of a gun. It is simply UNAMERICAN.
There are already nearly 50 Million on food stamps, now Drag everyone down into FOOD STAMPS !

"We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."
-Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959POSTER: We Will Barry You! (Nikita Khrushchev, 1956)
That day of waking up to socialism is now. States are already revolting under Obama's Socialism.

@ Grizz.....I will try this one more time. Again, there are 2 questions, only 2.

You keep on putting things up about the Constitution, and Obama's supposed distaste for it. So I pose this:1) What was the last Presidential administration that followed the Constitution at all, in your view?

Obamacare's main transgression, the individual mandate, began in the early 90's as a Republican platform idea....this leads to2) What policies has Obama STARTED that are of significance, that have no precedence in history?

Please understand that I spent about 300 hours volunteering to unseat Obama in 2012, and did not vote for him of course in either election.

My point is that the right has a made-up version of Obama, that he is some kind of radical....he isn't. He is another representation of how we do things, and how we have done them for a very long time. In short, Obama is how we roll. He is how we have rolled since about 1980....he is a corporatist technocrat, in the mold of Reagan and Clinton.

There is all of this talk about fearing we will get a one-party system. I have news; we are already there....we have ONE party, with two wings. The objective is to create the illusion of actual differences, in order to get people like Grizz and the left-wing crazies to hate each other. I can go on Democratic Underground and see legion of left-oriented Grizz characters. The will post vids and sources from MSNBC and Huffington Post, while Grizz picks Fox or Drudge Report....my reply to both sides is the same. It is all very useful anger for the powerful, as it maintains the illusion that all one side needs to do is eliminate the other....anything to keep the eyes off of the actual people behind the curtain.

Please answer those 2 questions. I am very curious as to your viewpoint.

The following are 21 of the best comments that have been posted on the official Healthcare.gov Facebook page so far…

Needless to say, there are a whole lot of very frustrated and very disappointed people out there right now.

21. “I am so disappointed. These prices are outrageous and there are huge deductibles. No one can afford this!”

20. “Good grief. Day three of trying and still can’t get on this website. The government KNEW about this thing going live for two years. TWO YEARS! And this is the best they could do? I shudder to think what’s going to happen once they are in control of my healthcare. They can’t even get their website functioning properly. If my business had rolled out a piece of crap that worked like this I’d be out of business.”

19. “How is it that Facebook, which is a non-essential social networking web site, can reliably handle BILLIONS of electronic interactions per second, but the Healthcare.gov site, which is literally the very heart of the Obamacare program wasn’t ready for the obvious millions of visitors that you had to know it would be receiving?”

18. “i’m just going to stop even bothering for a couple weeks or so… once the fervor dies down, hopefully i’ll be able to actually create an account!”

17. “The Federal Gov’t has ruined everything it has gotten involved in, does anybody really expect this healthcare disaster to be any different? Sorry, I’ll take the asinine fine.”

16. “And yet another day and several tries I once again keep getting nothing but a completely blank page after I log in. The top tab says ‘Successful URL’. Oh how ironic.”

15. “Didn’t these Feds ever have mothers that told them not to lie? Maybe they were raised in the wild. This system is trash. I can’t verify my identity or upload documents. Also what’s with Experian verifying ID’s? Don’t care for that at all.”

14. “I am a single mother of two, in school and working full time, living 75% below the poverty level and I DO NOT qualify for a healthcare subsidy”

13. “the website can’t verify my identity…the people at the experian verification number can’t verify my identity either….i tried to upload a scan of my driver’s license, and that won’t work either……very annoying process…….i’ve wasted 3 days on this junk.”

12. “if you’re stupid enough to put all your banking information in to the federal governments computers you are definitely part of the problem”

11. “Where the HELL am I supposed to get $3,000 more a year to pay for this “bronze” health insurance plan!?!??? And I DO NOT EVEN WANT INSURANCE to begin with!! This is frightening.”

10. “I have one question. What happens if I can’t afford the Affordable Health Care that you are cramming down my throat? I just ran your calculator, and if it is even close to accurate, I will have a choice…..I can pay my rent and buy groceries, or I can pay the health care premiums, move out into the streets and live under a bridge some where, and go hungry! Can I please get one of those exemption things that the President and Congress got?”

9. “I’ve been stuck at the security questions since 9am on October 1st”

8. “Death Panels. Yes. The red plan. It’s affordable. And painless!”

7. “Here in Austin, TX have gotten to login screen three times today, wait is getting shorter, but am still getting
a blank screen after getting a quick ‘authenticating, please wait’ message at top left of screen, then nothing but a blank white page and no indication that the browser is waiting for the server to do anything. Attempts to refresh the screen sends me back to the please wait screen.”

6. “I finally got past the security question problem, got my account, my verification email, and when I went to log in, it said the information was invalid.”

5. “I want to know how I am expected to pay $300+ for this and still pay my bills when the only income is $710 a month from my husband’s SSI? Am i supposed to lose my home and water and electricity or go to jail because I can’t afford this?”

4. “Government forces people to pay a new tax. People click on website to see how much this new tax will cost them. Website crashes in the first hour. Government calls it a huge success.”

3. “I work a minimum wage job…how the heck can I afford health insurance and if the company doesn’t give full time? I am so angry right now…. I share housing with others because I can’t afford my own place… how do you expect people to afford obamacare if they barely get by from paycheck to paycheck????? I can’t afford a fine either! I think you are obligated to give the American people an answer and an explanation!”

2. “Y’all can kiss my butt. You got that? You want my bank account? I’ll close it. You put a lien on my house? Take it…and the mortgage too. Some things are worth fighting for, and freedom is one of them! I am sick and tired of the redistribution strategies of this socialist country and having my wages STOLEN to pay for them!”

1. The best comment was posted by a man named Will Sheehan with type 1 diabetes who was initially very excited to sign up for Obamacare. But what he discovered while trying to sign up was absolutely horrifying…
I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.
I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
You can see a screenshot of his comment below…

Hey Grizz, you're doing a great thing here still, but I want to win this based on truth as I'm sure you do too. Remember that I'm an agent....not that it means much these days.....but the number one guy Will Sheehan or whatever isn't telling the truth from what I've been trained on thus far. The fine is only $95 this year 2014. Were they tallying the fine for the years to come I wonder? Cause it does go up each year, but I'm pretty sure for a single person it is capped at lower than $4k. Also, the IRS has no authority to collect the fine except via tax return. No tax return, no fine....so I'm told. Can you show me something that says otherwise? I really need to know if so. I'm not saying my stuff is 100% gospel either cause this thing has been in the making for four years, and I swear the rules change everyday. Even the carriers I represent kept almost everything hush hush for fear of repercussions. It has been hard to get the truth on anything.....but that's the government for you. Like nailing jello to a wall. Thanks Grizz.

Hey Grizz, you're doing a great thing here still, but I want to win this based on truth as I'm sure you do too. Remember that I'm an agent....not that it means much these days.....but the number one guy Will Sheehan or whatever isn't telling the truth from what I've been trained on thus far. The fine is only $95 this year 2014. Were they tallying the fine for the years to come I wonder? Cause it does go up each year, but I'm pretty sure for a single person it is capped at lower than $4k. Also, the IRS has no authority to collect the fine except via tax return. No tax return, no fine....so I'm told. Can you show me something that says otherwise? I really need to know if so. I'm not saying my stuff is 100% gospel either cause this thing has been in the making for four years, and I swear the rules change everyday. Even the carriers I represent kept almost everything hush hush for fear of repercussions. It has been hard to get the truth on anything.....but that's the government for you. Like nailing jello to a wall. Thanks Grizz.
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Goldensparrow,
You are right. There was some distortion in that 1st message I posted, and I do apologize. However, most of those points were accurate. I have been very careful to post messages that are as accurate as possible.

In actual fact, the fine for refusing ObamaCare starts at $95 OR a % of your income, whichever is MORE, with a cap !

Fox news was discussing this very subject this morning. Here are the details:

Goldensparrow,
You are right. There was some distortion in that 1st message I posted, and I do apologize. However, most of those points were accurate. I have been very careful to post messages that are as accurate as possible.

In actual fact, the fine for refusing ObamaCare starts at $95 OR a % of your income, whichever is MORE, with a cap !

Fox news was discussing this very subject this morning. Here are the details:

For 2014 the penalty is:
1% of your taxable income or $95 per adult AND $47.50 per child, whichever is MORE or a MAX of $285 per familyFor 2015 the penalty is:
2% of your taxable income or $325 per adult AND $162.50 per child, whichever is MORE or a MAX of $975 per family

This is the best information I have at this time. If you find anything better, please post it here,
Grizz

Thanks Grizz! You da man! :-)

I was actually just about to reply with those same penalties....I found the percentages this morning. 2014 won't be a big deal for people but 2015 is going to hurt at a thousand a month. Although many plans will be at least that expensive especially since you can only buy catastrophic coverage if you're under 30.

I still think many people who want coverage and are subsidy eligible are going to force their employers to eventually stop offering it, so they can get their subsidy and have cheaper insurance. That's just what I'm seeing here based on SC rates, which aren't as high as elsewhere. Many clients are upset that their employer offers it, but it still isn't affordable.....this is mainly young people by the way, due to the high cost from the older people on the group plans. The old people are eventually going to be left out in the cold. Hope you're sticking to Primal for your best chance at survival right?