Countertrey wrote:You have to have a defense in order to get to the playoffs.

Sam

Sonny.

Done.

Lebaron get honorable mention.

Theisman is NOT in the conversation. He and Ryp, were the product of the mind of Gibbs.

+1.

Of course, it's not bad to be produced by one of the all-time great coaches; and Theisman, Rypien, and Doug Williams -- plus Dan Fouts -- were all different. Says a lot about Joe Gibbs that he got the best out of each of them.

I tend to call Sammy the best of all because he made the forward pass a normal part of the offense. The inventor gets extra applause. As an athlete, Slingin Sammy gets extra applause, as well, for his pass defense, his punting, and his running as a single-wing tailback...plus his baseball. As best I remember it, he would have made the St Louis Cardinals except that the Cardinals had an all-star short-stop named Marty Marion.

And Sonny? Merely the best QB I ever saw. How many current QB's are two-for-three left-handed?

Comparisons across the decades are ridiculous because players are so much better today. In comparison with their peers, if forced to rank, I'd say it was Sammy, Sonny, and then Grif. In relation to sheer ability, it's the other way around, no doubt. Today, neither Sammy nor Sunny in their primes could beat out Grif for a starting position. Based on one year of play, Grif's the best QB in the NFL today, which would be obvious if he hadn't got hurt. Wilson or Kaepernich (sp?) might be the next best. The old hierarchy has lost a step, still great, but not dominating. Luck still has a lot to prove.

markshark84 wrote:How are people putting RGIII in the top 3 right now??

If RGIII never came back and played another down as a Skin, I don't think he would be considered the best QB in skins history as a couple people have decided ---- or even in the top 3.

The potential to be in the top 3 is unquestionably there, but I think people are being a bit too presumptuous.

I think it all comes down to how people view the question. If it's a rank of the best season's in history by a QB, I think RGIII is Top 3. If it's a rank of the best QBs in terms of their talent, I think he's Top 3. But, for those who are ranking them based on cumulative body of work as a Redskin, then he can't make the Top 3. It's all how you view the question.

Sonny - scored 30+ pts and still lost. To bad he didn't play defense as well.

RGIII - loads of talent, rating based performance for 1 yr and will probably change over time.

My eye-ball view tells me that Robert Griffin is the best pure passer after Baugh (who was before my time) and Sonny. For Griffin to do that as a rookie is staggering...we should compare him to Jay Shroeder, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, and Jason Campbell, because they started as rookies and had respectable players around them. Griffin looks better, looks like a first-class QB. The others needed to learn.

SKINS#1 wrote:.we should compare him to Jay Shroeder, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, and Jason Campbell, because they started as rookies.

Actually boner of those three started a rookies.

Rypien was drafted in 86 but didn't start a game until 88.
Humphries was drafted in 88 but didn't start a game until 89.
JC was drafted in 05 and didn't start a have until 06.

But hey don't let ever facts bother your story.

Robert is so much more physically gifted than either of those three QBs and there is only one comparison. Both hee and Ryp through beautiful deep balls. I think Mark was a little better at it, but that is hard to tell. Mark was throwing behind the hogs to the posse. Our OL and WRs pale in comparison to what Mark had to work with.

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