It’s an off-year election season. It’s not an off year for ballot measures. Several consequential local referendums and state constitutional amendments will be on the November 2 ballot. To answer some questions and add clarity to the issues, the Flagler Palm Coast Civic Association held an open forum on four of those measures at the county Realtors’ association’s headquarters on State Road 100 Thursday evening, before some 50 people.

The issues in question: Amendment 8, usually referred to as the class-size amendment; Amendment 4, better known as the “Hometown Democracy” amendment; the Flagler-only “economic development tax,” and the Flagler-only school tax continuation. Although the forum presented pro and con representatives for each issue, it was not quite a debate. The intent was to inform and clarify. Each side made its points, each side was afforded additional chances to address the issue, a few questions were fielded, and closing arguments delivered.

The Class-Size Amendment

In 2002, voters approved a constitutional amendment that gradually requires districts to limit class sizes to specific numbers. The requirement was phased in. Average class sizes were calculated broadly at first, with hard caps imposed in elementary grades first. The next step enabled schools to average out their entire student body against the number of teachers in that school, so some classes could exceed the harder caps if others were below it. The final step, in effect this year, was the imposition of universal hard caps in every grade: No more than 18 students per class in kindergarten through third grade, no more than 22 students in grades 4 through 8, and no more than 25 in grades 9 through 12. The caps apply to core subjects only—English, math, social sciences—not to such things as PE or art classes. But if the cap is exceeded, districts must pay stiff financial penalties.

Amendment 8 would scale back and recalibrate the hard cap. Districts would again be allowed the flexibility to have school-wide averages, rather than class-by-class limits. But those class-size limits, too, would be raised—to 21 students in the early grades, 27 students in the middle grades, and 30 students in the upper grades.

Ron Meyer, a lawyer for the Florida Education Association, the state’s teachers’ union, has been arguing in circuit court to get the amendment off the ballot. The ballot language is deceptive, he says: It tells voters how class sizes will change, but it doesn’t tell them to what extent the state will reduce funding to schools as a consequence. He’s right. The amendment, if it’s successful, will unquestionably reduce funding. That’s why the Legislature is pushing it. Proponents of the amendment, however—school district administrators and local school boards chief among them—are pushing for it not because they like larger class sizes, but because they consider themselves to have no choice. The Legislature has been underfunding them anyway, forcing them to make do with less and still abide by the hard caps of the 2002 amendment.

Thursday’s evening debate between Meyer and Dance was more like a debate with Meyer and Dance on one side, and the invisible Legislature on the other.

“I don’t think there’s any dispute that the passage of Amendment 8,” Meyer said, “while it may very well have some beneficial purposes in the eyes of the proponents, it nonetheless goes back on what the people of Florida decided in 2002, when they directed in the constitution that classes be smaller.” That’s accurate, but it wouldn’t be the first time that a constitutional amendment was proposed to change or reverse a previous amendment. In 2000, Florida voters approved a constitutional amendment to build a high-speed “bullet train” across the state. The train would have included a Jacksonville-Miami leg. Then-Gov. Jeb Bush opposed it. He muscled through another amendment eliminating the bullet train in 2004. That amendment passed, and the train initiative died.

The difference with this year’s Amendment 8 is that it does not undo the 2002 amendment, but limits its categorical reach. Meyer, however, was on strong grounds when he attributed the origins of Amendment 8 to money, and the Legislature’s attempt to find more ways to reduce funding to public schools. It’s not the local school boards’ fault, he said, but the Legislature’s “funding failure.”

“The constitution doesn’t require an amendment to provide flexibility that we keep hearing is needed in schools,” Meyer said. “The Supreme Court of Florida made very plain in 2002 when it approved the class-size amendment back then that this was a funding requirement of the Legislature and not a hard cap. It gives the Legislature some latitude in designing some techniques in providing flexibility. However the Legislature’s decided it doesn’t want to do that. The Legislature has decided in Amendment 8 that it wants to reduce its defunding obligation to public schools. The Legislature has expended a lot of money on class size, $16 billion is the number that’s often talked about since 2002. That’s a significant amount of money. Let’s face it. But none of that money would have likely come to public schools had this amendment not been there to require it.”

Andy Dance, the school board member, wasn’t going to argue the “pro” side of Amendment 8. But O’Donnell was having trouble finding someone to speak for it. So Dance, who was already slated to speak for a school-tax measure on the ballot later in the association’s forum, agreed to speak for Amendment 8 as well. He portrayed the local school board as a victim of circumstances. The district is meeting the hard cap. If it didn’t, it would have to pay financial penalties. That does not appear likely, thanks to the introduction of “co-teachers” in some classes to lower the ratio.

“But I will tell you from having spent time in the schools already this year,” Dance said, “it’s not a lot of fun. It is very stressful on the principals there, having to lose teachers and shift teachers around from school to school. For us, there is no flexibility that is given, and it is very stressful on the students and the teachers.” It comes down to regaining some flexibility, Dance said, to ease that stress. He did not speak in generalities. Dance described how, to meet class-size requirements in Bunnell, which gained a few students this year, a gifted teacher at Rymfire Elementary (which lost some 140 students) had to be moved to Bunnell. “Go ask the people at Rymfire about having to lose that teacher, and they are not very happy about it,” Dance said (though in fairness to the numbers, the mere loss of a large number of students in one school and the gain of students in another would have compelled some shifting of teachers whether the amendment was in place or not.)

The “Hometown Democracy” Amendment

Next was the matter of Amendment 4, also known as the “Hometown Democracy” amendment. If passed, it would change the way local governments make changes to their comprehensive plan, the long-term vision and rules for any local government’s land uses—“super-zoning,” as one speaker put it. This would not affect routine zoning changes, most road construction or the overwhelming majority of day-to-day permitting and construction, private or commercial. It would affect exclusively large-scale land-use changes to comprehensive plans. Those plans are not supposed to be changed routinely anyway. State law limits local governments to two windows per year to make changes to their plans. Local governments have instead used the windows to stack such changes, essentially reducing comprehensive plans to symbolic blueprints with little lasting value. It favors developers and local governments hooked on development as a tax-revenue generator. But the serial changes are anathema to the original purpose of comprehensive planning.

The movement for Amendment 4 is a backlash. It would require comprehensive plan changes—and only comprehensive plan changes, which are supposed to be rare—to be approved by voters before going ahead. The amendment has thrown developers and local governments into a panic, though evidence is scant to nonexistent that requiring voters to have a say on comprehensive plans would have economic consequences. The housing crash in Florida was more severe than elsewhere because it was driven in large part by compulsive development enabled by the elimination of checks and balances that comprehensive plans in their original incarnation were once supposed to provide.

Greg Gimbert of Daytona Beach spoke for Amendment 4 at the forum. “In spite of how many people like to cast supporters of Amendment 4, I am no rabid environmentalist,” he started. “I race cars and motorcycles. For years I was the announcer at Pax Trax Motorcross Park here in Bunnell. Basically I’m a monster truck kind of guy that rather go four-wheeling in the woods. I detested politicians, I ignored local politics, I can’t afford to do that anymore. Neither can you all.”

Gimbert continued: “Today such changes happen quietly, hidden within reams of techno-babble in tiny little cryptic newspaper announcements that are so small you can’t read them, and with jargon you could never understand. They’re designed that way so regular folks can’t figure out what they’re doing. What are these changes intended to do? They allow a speculator to build something where it’s never intended to be. Like what? Well, they turn vital agricultural land into sprawling subdivisions. They drop apartment complexes on established neighborhoods. They’ve even recently been allowed to change to build a Walmart where a neighborhood school once stood. And worse still for the surrounding neighborhood, they turned their neighborhood drainage basin into Walmart’s parking lot, so congratulations on your new flooding folks. The results of these changes destroy our natural environment. They poison our rivers and lakes. They pave over our aquifer recharge area. They make you pay to run utilities where it was never intended to be, and collectively all these things decimate your state, your community and your home’s value. These changes have gone on for so long, to such an extent, that they’ve created this current glut of oversupply to the point that we can hardly give our houses away.”

Another Daytona Beach import argued against Amendment 4—Jim Cameron, the Daytona Beach Chamber of Commerce’s vice president for government relations. More earnest than silver-tongued, Cameron didn’t rely on data or his own arguments to make his pitch in favor of Amendment 4. He reached for editorial stances of the Daytona Beach News-Journal (including an editorial from the paper’s “old regime,” when it was, in Cameron’s words, filled with “staunch environmentalists”), editorial stances of 17 other newspapers, and opposition to the amendment by various chambers of commerce (state and local), as well as other pressure group.

And again without evidence, he relied on fear. “Amendment 4 as we see it,” Cameron said, “is going to hinder the economic future. The economy is going to get better. When, I don’t know, it will get better, but the economists all agree, you’re not going to see, even though it’s taken a sharp nosedive in the last couple of years, it’s gone down like that, it’s not going to turn around and go up straight in an arrow. It’s going to come back in spurts. It’s going to come back, it’s going to be fragile, I mean, any little thing can throw it off kilter, and this is something we can see it throwing it off kilter, Amendment 4. We don’t want to see a monkey wrench thrown in that recovery.”

He then urged listeners to look up his website and the opposition’s website on the matter.

Gimbert hadn’t bought the monkey-wrench argument. “I’m a technician with a nationwide telecommunications provider and I work in the construction department. If we don’t have construction, I don’t eat,” Gimbert said. “But can there be too much of a good thing? Obviously. Look at us now. Good development becomes overdevelopment when it overcrowds our roads and our schools.”

The Tax Proposals

The next two issues discussed at the forum were local tax issues. The “economic development tax” pushed by Enterprise Flagler, the public-private partnership, would raise property taxes by 25 cents per $1,000 in assessed value and use the $2 million in annual revenue to build commercial and industrial buildings as bait for potential, job-rich industries. The proposal has been hobbled from the start, however, and has had little support, especially from elected officials. It appears headed for defeat even before voters get their say on Nov. 2: there’s been behind-the-scenes discussions about pulling it from the ballot, though it may be too late to do so as a matter of law.

The tax’s proponents however are still going through the motions of defending it. Enterprise Flagler’s Greg Rawls and Mike Chiumento III spoke for the tax. The tea party movement’s Vince Liguori spoke against it, noting at the start of his argument that he was not there to speak for the tea party. (Asked about the local tea party’s stance on the tax, Tom Lawrence, one of the tea party’s leaders, said he was not taking an official position.)

The school tax is not a new tax. Property owners are already paying it and have been paying it for years, in Flagler County as in most counties. But until now, school boards had the authority to promulgate the tax by their own majority votes. The Legislature changed the law, forcing boards to put the surtax to a popular vote. That’s why the tax is referred to as a “continuation.”

By the time Andy Dance, the school board member, rose to speak in defense of the measure, the audience had thinned out, and no opponent to the measure had been found. That may bode well for supporters of the tax.

Evidence against Amendment 4 is scant and nonexistant?? And no mention of St Pete Beach, where they enacted this law, then had to repeal it three years later because it caused so many problems? Amendment 4 is grossly misrepresented in this article.

We already have the ability to have a say in local changes – by voting for our city council representatives, by showing up at meetings and making our voices heard. Most of us don’t bother doing that. Do you think the same people who don’t bother need to be voting on comprehensive plan changes? Really??

And how will those “comprehensive” changes be represented on ballots? In under 75 words. Explain how hundreds of pages of land use information can be accurately be summarized in less than 75 words for people to judge in a few minutes in a ballot booth? It simply cannot be done.

AMENDMENT # 4 is giving developers nightmares, they the big developers are pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into defeating it via an up coming media campaign. (they do not want to give up control, or in anyway allow residents to vote on super sized developements)

About three weeks before the next election they will hit prime time TV between 6 pm and 8 pm (prime senior viewing) their one minute sound bites will be largely aimed at seniors telling them that if they vote YES their taxes will go up, this is NOT correct, it is just another attempt to scare people, don’t be fooled.

Checkout the TRUTH at the Florida Hometown Democracy Site, this is simply the people of Florida vs.the Plunder and Loot Developers, unethical developers who will continue to lay waste to our beautiful state in order to fill their own pockets, and then simply move on to clear cut other areas.

Please Vote YES on amendment # 4 and tell as many of your friends & family as possible to do the same pass it on they have the money we have the numbers.

It starts with Amendment 8, then 40 minutes in it goes to Amendment 4, then about 60 minutes in it goes to the local ballot items. It was too bad they cut out the Q&A part about all those mega builders who got millions in bail out fed funds and then donated them to the Vote No on 4 campaign.

Greg, remember this forum was held at the ( realtors HQ ), certainly they wanted the Q&A part to be deleted /censored, can not take the chance of such information going too far afield, better to keep it under wraps.
Every citizen in Florida needs to pay attention to this one, in my opinion it is by far the most important amendment I have seen in Florida in 45 years. If you want to help protect our environment from future long term abuse, please get on board the vote YES train,we need all the help we can get to overcome the developers millions.

Dance said that a gifted teacher had to be moved from Rymfire to Bunnell. The article fails to mention that there is no gifted program at Rymfire and this teacher is taking on a gifted class at Bunnell.

When you have a good thing you protect it. You protect it with oversight. Amendment 4 brings oversight of local development into the hands of the citizens. Its that simple. Vote YES for Amendment 4. It is your right as a resident to stand up for your community. It is your right as a citizen to have a direct voice (to supplement elected politicians voices) with regard to land development in your city and county. This isn’t about extremist action…its about holding developers accountable. Amendment 4 allows citizen’s increased local input into shaping their city, their region… without Amendment 4, developers will continue pulling city hall’s strings in the direction they want, knowingly pushing aside any resistance from residents. Just look at South Florida folks. It’s on its way here, slowly but surely. And that’s a current fact. Yes there is lots of green here, parks here, local, state and federal land here, but seriously give it time, 20-30 years, and much of it will probably be gone. This is why the county’s ESL (environmentally sensitive lands) initiatives are to be applauded loudly and continued to be fervently supported….but there remain real estate/ land developer signs everywhere around here….advertising back and forth along Palm Coast Parkway and everywhere else and most are sitting in front of heavily wooded areas. They won’t stay that way. We all know and fear it except developers themselves and maybe some folks inside city hall who stand to hone their skills because of it. One thing we must all do is to continue to insist that IF development goes in, it must BLEND with its surroundings, deploy advanced green technologies and design, and set world standards for LOW impact. Amendment 4 is vital, it is necessary, but even it is not sufficient to stem the pushing tide of progress as touted by the Chambers of Concrete found across the state and country. Its just a shame that they must always prey on the most beautiful areas in the country to exact their fortunes. We’re all for a strong America, support free enterprise and private capital, but you can’t go around nuking other countries, yelling FIRE in a movie theatre or run a ponzie scheme…there need to be limits in our world. And there need to be limits set on what and when and how and where development occurs – and those limits require citizen input in the form of a direct vote. Period. Build it and they will come. Yes, alright…after all they did it here, thankfully this is a (currently) beautiful Palm Coast. Build enough of it though and it will devour everything in its way, leaving only in its wake saltwater falling from the eyes of future generations as they squint over the rooftops at the buzzards flying elsewhere for their meals. Vote for Amendment 4. Home rule. Local oversight by citizens. It has a strong, clear, sensible ring to it.

“The housing crash in Florida was more severe than elsewhere because it was driven in large part by compulsive development enabled by the elimination of checks and balances that comprehensive plans in their original incarnation were once supposed to provide.” – The same can be said for the current ecomomic crisis and the double dip recession heading our way.

“$2 million in annual revenue to build commercial and industrial buildings as bait for potential, job-rich industries.” – Now is not the time to tax and speculate (build) – where’s the fiscal conservatism these people like to preach???? – Psst, guys there’s already a several buildings sitting empty, so no need to build more just yet, but you could aggressivly market and advertise what you have already. Otherwise you’re just doing more of the same.

In the meant time maybe we should start community gardens and eat and sell locally to feed our hungry population. I am sure many would give their time freely to support this worthy cause. There’s plenty of land around the schools to start these projects and the schools can get involved and benefit too.

“As for the school – “Proponents of the amendment, however—school district administrators and local school boards chief among them—are pushing for it not because they like larger class sizes, but because they consider themselves to have no choice.” – Ah, embracing the self-fulfilling prophecy. Is it any wonder our school district ranks where it does.