Only in a delusional mind could the word "significantly" be used to replace "MUCH" with those sad pathetic numbers.

It is actually changed "significantly". The trend change from 1.5% to 3.2% is more then doubled for Android. It is significant considering fierce competition, short time frame (a quarter) and recent iPhone release.

It is actually changed "significantly". The trend change from 1.5% to 3.2% is more then doubled for Android. It is significant considering fierce competition, short time frame (a quarter) and recent iPhone release.

My brother's Samsung Android phone constantly freezes, or slows to a halt. Can't fix the problem. Also never gets any updates from Samsung. You buy cheap Samsung phones, you only get the Android OS that's on it without any updates. That's . At least with Apple you get 3 years support. The new iOS won't always run fast, but at least there's software updates. If you buy Android, you can only hope for support, and sometimes you get an update, but mostly not.

Samsung makes money by fooling the consumer. Buy this new shiny toy that's better because of big screen, and Super AMOLED screen, etc. Not telling you that your Christmas gift comes with no software updates in the future. That's not customer building, that's going for fast and easy profits.

Koreans are notorious in doing that--look at their Kia, Hyundai cars, Korean-made appliances, etc.--they always have very attractive design on the outside with some cute accessories thrown in as baits...very appealing to the eyes, but their engines, appliance motors and construction are extremely mediocre and so the products only last for a few years when it starts to break down--they are just appealing, yet highly disposable items--NOT long-term investment items at all--Korean-made products are the products you buy for instant gratification--nice-looking and cheap BUT extremely flimsy!

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Koreans are notorious in doing that--look at their Kia, Hyundai cars, Korean-made appliances, etc.--they always have very attractive design on the outside with some cute accessories thrown in as baits...very appealing to the eyes, but their engines, appliance motors and construction are extremely mediocre and so the products only last for a few years when it starts to break down--they are just appealing, yet highly disposable items--NOT long-term investment items at all--Korean-made products are the products you buy for instant gratification--nice-looking and cheap BUT extremely flimsy!

On the one hand there seems to be some cheap Korean products and I'm sure most of us have heard the horror stories, but at the same time, as mentioned before, Koreans have the ability to build some extremely reliable products. It seems to depend on who is doing the qc and also how much you are wiling to pay.
[Sadly, it appears that a lot of people would like to pay less for products in the short run, even if it means more expense over the long run. This in turn has put a lot of the best quality manufacturing out of business.]

On the one hand there seems to be some cheap Korean products and I'm sure most of us have heard the horror stories, but at the same time, as mentioned before, Koreans have the ability to build some extremely reliable products. It seems to depend on who is doing the qc and also how much you are wiling to pay.

I am talking about in general, NOT the exemptions!

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My job is NOT to be easy on people. My job is to take these great people we have and to push them and make them even BETTER.

Koreans are notorious in doing that--look at their Kia, Hyundai cars, Korean-made appliances, etc.--they always have very attractive design on the outside with some cute accessories thrown in as baits...very appealing to the eyes, but their engines, appliance motors and construction are extremely mediocre and so the products only last for a few years when it starts to break down--they are just appealing, yet highly disposable items--NOT long-term investment items at all--Korean-made products are the products you buy for instant gratification--nice-looking and cheap BUT extremely flimsy!

Apple does not sell low-end smartphones. Even the 3GS (Apple's poorest seller by a long shot and a phone almost 3 years old) is superior to many brand new, just announced Android phones. Would you buy a brand new phone with a 1/4 VGA screen running Eclair? They're out there and they sell like hotcakes.

Apple does not sell $200 tablets. Apple does not sell tablets that aren't allowed to access the App Store because they don't meet the minimum requirements to do so.

Apple does not sell brand new devices with iOS 3.0 or iOS 4.0 installed. Android sells tons of products with Gingerbread, Froyo and even Eclair.

Apps. Seriously? Are you going to imply the App Store is successful because they sell "crap" software and there's nothing of value?

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But in the meantime, Android is killing iOS phones in volume **snip**
These are just facts. They cannot be denied.

Why are you avoiding the topic at hand? The only reason they sell more is because they sell lots of cheap devices. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong and that Android market share is made up primarily of $600 phones and $500 tablets?

SEE how the scores of Kia and Hyundai went down dramatically as the cars get older--they are just good for a maximum 5 years, and then they go straight to the junk yard, whereas a BMW/Toyota can run forever for their great engines and engineering--AND that explains WHY--Korean products have NO RESALE VALUE!

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Imagine that. Kinda like a bunch of riffraffs ganging up on one person and still get their ass*s kicked.

... and I still believe that the ass kicking has just started. "If" Apple brings out an iPhone with a slightly larger screen then imho more people will be interested in that product... keeping in mind that the 4S will most likely be discounted (and possibly even updated) and the 4 will be discounted even further.

Why are you avoiding the topic at hand? The only reason they sell more is because they sell lots of cheap devices. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong and that Android market share is made up primarily of $600 phones and $500 tablets?

I don't remember any breakdown being done in that manner. So neither of us know the reality of the situation.

But the best-selling Android phones are reported to be the high-end ones.

Going by anecdotal evidence I would tend to agree with Hyundai... but I've heard too many nightmare stories about Kia to make me shy away from them. I sometimes wonder where these reliability ratings come from.

... and I still believe that the ass kicking has just started. "If" Apple brings out an iPhone with a slightly larger screen then imho more people will be interested in that product... keeping in mind that the 4S will most likely be discounted (and possibly even updated) and the 4 will be discounted even further.

SEE how the scores of Kia and Hyundai went down dramatically as the cars get older--they are just good for a maximum 5 years, and then they go straight to the junk yard, whereas a BMW/Toyota can run forever for their great engines and engineering!

The old designs weren't reliable as the article mentioned. I also don't think I've ever seen BMW in a list of the world's most reliable auto manufacturers. Actually they're notorious for quality issues compared to truly reliable manufacturers, who as an added benefit often sell for less.http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/17/j...incoln-best-b/

The old designs weren't reliable as the article mentioned. I also don't think I've ever seen BMW in a list of the world's most reliable auto manufacturers. Actually they're notorious for quality issues compared to truly reliable manufacturers, who as an added benefit often sell for less.http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/17/j...incoln-best-b/

Higher price does not equal better quality.

BMW cars have GREAT engines--look under HIGH-end cars NOT the LOW-end! BMW like Benz, Audi have the BEST REALE VALUE for HIGH-end cars for their great engines and unmatched engineering!

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The old designs weren't reliable as the article mentioned. I also don't think I've ever seen BMW in a list of the world's most reliable auto manufacturers. Actually they're notorious for quality issues compared to truly reliable manufacturers, who as an added benefit often sell for less.http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/17/j...incoln-best-b/

Higher price does not equal better quality.

Even with the new Kias and Hyundais... the resale value won't be near as high as a Toyota or Honda in 5 years... regardless of supposed high reliability scores. It's going to take Korea quite a while longer, imho, to convince people that their cars (products) are durable.

Even with the new Kias and Hyundais... the resale value won't be near as high as a Toyota or Honda in 5 years... regardless of supposed high reliability scores. It's going to take Korea quite a while longer, imho, to convince people that their cars (products) are durable.

Agreed that Toyota's and Honda's have very good resale value, but it took several years to get the rep for having quality products at realistic prices. Even now Toyota has taken some hits on the dependabilty front. In any case I wouldn't put BMW in the same league on quality or dependability as Toyota, Honda or Hyundai.

BMW cars have GREAT engines--look under HIGH-end cars NOT the LOW-end! BMW like Benz, Audi have the BEST REALE VALUE for HIGH-end cars for their great engines and unmatched engineering!

I've got a funny story about that...

I know someone who had been buying BMWs for 40 years... had several of them. Loved BMWs, but a couple of years ago decided to try a Lexus. The Lexus had a totally different feel and it was love. Love, that is, until the recalls started, so I was told. So I asked if there had been any problems with the Lexus after a couple of long vacation cruises. "Nope. No problems. Runs like a dream." "Then you still like the Lexus?" Nope! No way! Never buy another one. Too many recalls. Going back to BMW."

It's funny how all those recalls came about just as the big 3 were really hurting.

Agreed that Toyota's and Honda's have very good resale value, but it took several years to get the rep for having quality products at realistic prices. Even now Toyota has taken some hits on the dependabilty front. In any case I wouldn't put BMW in the same league on quality or dependability as Toyota, Honda or Hyundai.

You can't place BMW in the same category as Toyota, Honda or horror among horrors Hyundai--since all the said cars are the low-end ones--and BMW is under the LUXURY Quality, HIGH-end cars!

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...but it took several years to get the rep for having quality products at realistic prices. Even now Toyota has taken some hits on the dependability front.

Which is what I was saying about Korean products. It will take a few years. Hyundai didn't help matter in the 80s... cars would break down constantly without anyone to service them and without any parts available.

By the way... I don't buy all those stories about Toyota recalls etc. To me it was just a bunch of bs cooked up by the American big 3.

I know someone who had been buying BMWs for 40 years... had several of them. Loved BMWs, but a couple of years ago decided to try a Lexus. The Lexus had a totally different feel and it was love. Love, that is, until the recalls started, so I was told. So I asked if there had been any problems with the Lexus after a couple of long vacation cruises. "Nope. No problems. Runs like a dream." "Then you still like the Lexus?" Nope! No way! Never buy another one. Too many recalls. Going back to BMW."

It's funny how all those recalls came about just as the big 3 were really hurting.

Agree--its black propaganda for Toyota/Lexus--the US Big Three did the same thing before for Audi in the 80s or 90s--just google it--same modus operandi that happened to Toyota--and the funny thing is, after the Toyota/Lexus black propaganda--the big three recovered fast, LOL!

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And I wouldn't put them in the same quality and reliability class as Mercedes, Lexus or Lincoln either. No matter what class of cars you want to put them in, BMW isn't at the top of it.

SUBJECTIVE statement from an unknown---BTW, do you own one? We own 2 BMWs and I can vouch--will never go for any other brand! BMW sold the MOST units than all the ones you mentioned...just shows EXCELLENT made products like Apple translate to EXCELLENT sales, LOL!

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My job is NOT to be easy on people. My job is to take these great people we have and to push them and make them even BETTER.

All TRUE Samsung boycott members refuse to buy any Apple product that includes any Samsung components. We vote with our pocketbooks.

You seem to have a penchant for posting ridiculous comments which indicate nothing more than your inability to comprehend the arguments that others present.

Some people choose not to buy Samsung consumer products because of their business practices. That doesn't mean that ALL Samung divisions use the same business practices. Clearly, Samsung's semiconductor business seems to operate differently - and therefore isn't a concern bey people who object to the business practices.

"I'm way over my head when it comes to technical issues like this"Gatorguy 5/31/13

You seem to have a penchant for posting ridiculous comments which indicate nothing more than your inability to comprehend the arguments that others present.

Some people choose not to buy Samsung consumer products because of their business practices. That doesn't mean that ALL Samung divisions use the same business practices. Clearly, Samsung's semiconductor business seems to operate differently - and therefore isn't a concern bey people who object to the business practices.

Some people, sure.

But the True Samsung Haters boycott any product that enriches Samsung.

Talk is cheap. Some people are hypocrites, who talk about boycotting Samsung but turn around and enrich Samsung.

SUBJECTIVE statement from an unknown---BTW, do you own one? We own 2 BMWs and I can vouch--will never go for any other brand! BMW sold the MOST units than all the ones you mentioned...just shows EXCELLENT made products like Apple translate to EXCELLENT sales, LOL!

I could ask you the same question about your Hyundai comments. Have you owned one? I have, a 2008 VeraCruz and had no quality complaints or reliability issues. Excellent value for the money IMHO. I feel it compared very favorably, quality-wise, with my wife's previous car, an Infiniti FX45 tho not near as fun to drive.

But the True Samsung Haters boycott any product that enriches Samsung.

Talk is cheap. Some people are hypocrites, who talk about boycotting Samsung but then they go ahead and enrich Samsung.

Don't worry--Apple is steering in the direction of NOT putting any Korean-made items on their products--that is why they partnered with Sharp, and even from the biography--SJ had a high regard for anything Japanese--so most likely Apple will expand their partnerships with the Japanese later on!

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My job is NOT to be easy on people. My job is to take these great people we have and to push them and make them even BETTER.

I could ask you the same question about your Hyundai comments. Have you owned one? I have, a 2008 VeraCruz and had no quality complaints or reliability issues. Excellent value for the money IMHO. I feel it compared very favorably, quality-wise, with my wife's previous car, an Infiniti FX45 tho not near as fun to drive.

Wait for 1 more year and then come back to me--try to sell it after 5 years and see if there is any takers, LOL! BTW, have you driven a BMW before--you don't know FUN until you drive a BMW--it makes you feel like you are James Bond

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