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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comSat, 10 Dec 2016 01:20:24 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: pluto62http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1041476
Wed, 27 Apr 2011 05:28:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1041476de-smith is a de-warf trying to function in a average mans world. the biggest thing stopping negotiations is the micro-midget DeMaurice Smith. the talks are over his head, nothing he is screaming for is in reach. he is not representing the players, he is using the “little man syndrome” to try and make himself appear larger than life.

i know it’s tough for people like d-mo, everything is a stiff neck and a crotch eye view of the world, they’re worried about getting a cigarette in the eye, or being pushed into a wall socket, so they have to create a situation where they appear taller than they are. d-mo is not representing the players, he is only trying to show what a big man he is, as SHORT SIGHTED as that may be. my advice to the players, punt the micro-man and find a real rep, maybe Troy Vincent is the right answer.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:39:32 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040925Chaos? Like when he decertified the union and walked out on the CBA talks knowing that there was a good chance to get a liberal judge that would protect the poor under appreciated players against the big, bad (white) rich corporate owners. Bull!
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:46:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040817nard100 says:
Apr 26, 2011 1:53 PM
crazy2bbengals says:
Apr 26, 2011 11:22 AM
Question: Why is it up to the Owners, or for that matter any business owner to supply healthcare to its emplyees and retirees?
Answer: Because no one wants to plan a head, and take full accontability for themselves.

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Really?! So now if you get health care through work, your part of the reason the country is going down? Seems a bit much.

The truth is the NFL lost because neither the law or anyone with common sense feels sorry for them. The idea that people side with them still puzzles me. I am not a union guy at all, but if any business entity tells you to take an 18% pay cut “cuz they said so” and you do it, you deserve what you get (or don’t get). People, let’s go over the facts again:

1. The players are NOT on strike. They want to work. They don’t have a problem with the deal they signed years ago. The same owners who want the players to “come back to the bargaining table” are the ones who are preventing the players from doing the jobs they are under contract to do.

2. They players have simply asked for a good reason to take an 18% decrease in pay while working for one of the most profitable entities in all of sports. It still puzzles me why people feel that’s unreasonable. How many of us would put up with that and say nothing. If the owners are willing to prove hardship (via opening the books – remember people, they are being asked to take the loss of just under 1/5th of their pay).

3. Why are player revenues so high? Because of owners like Al Davis and Jerry Jones consistently over pay for mediocre talent. they think nothing of resetting the whole market to get their “one guy”. If you think that’s wrong ask yourself this. Why would an owner make a defensive TACKLE on the downside of his career the HIGHEST PAID DEFENSIVE PLAYER in the entire league over the next 2 years all the while complaining about “player costs” being too high. We all know why he did it. He didn’t want to have to bargain like normal people do and compete with other teams. So like a high roller at a Sotheby’s auction, he makes a bid so high that he know no one will match it! Should every player in the NFL take a nearly 1/5th pay cut so guys like him can continue to do that?!

Should the players take a pay cut? Absolutely! Should the owners in one of the most profitable sports organizations in the world have to explain why they need their players to take a nearly 20 PERCENT pay cut?! If your asking 5-7% fine, not 18%.

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Nard100
All valid points but at the end of the day your asking a guy who owns a business to open his books so you can dictate to him how much you should make. Walk into your bosses office and use the same tatic, when the laughing stops be sure to ask if you still have a job.

The truth of the matter is no one feels sorry for the owners, especially me, I am stuck with Mike Brown. With that said the owners should have control over the operation and the budgets of their business. If the players want to earn 50% of the profit then they should pay 50% of the liabilities.

By the way, it is not 18%, the last offer was 9%.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:18:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040749dknice
all i have to say is wtf?!
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:53:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040567crazy2bbengals says:
Apr 26, 2011 11:22 AM
Question: Why is it up to the Owners, or for that matter any business owner to supply healthcare to its emplyees and retirees?
Answer: Because no one wants to plan a head, and take full accontability for themselves.

___________________________________

Really?! So now if you get health care through work, your part of the reason the country is going down? Seems a bit much.

The truth is the NFL lost because neither the law or anyone with common sense feels sorry for them. The idea that people side with them still puzzles me. I am not a union guy at all, but if any business entity tells you to take an 18% pay cut “cuz they said so” and you do it, you deserve what you get (or don’t get). People, let’s go over the facts again:

1. The players are NOT on strike. They want to work. They don’t have a problem with the deal they signed years ago. The same owners who want the players to “come back to the bargaining table” are the ones who are preventing the players from doing the jobs they are under contract to do.

2. They players have simply asked for a good reason to take an 18% decrease in pay while working for one of the most profitable entities in all of sports. It still puzzles me why people feel that’s unreasonable. How many of us would put up with that and say nothing. If the owners are willing to prove hardship (via opening the books – remember people, they are being asked to take the loss of just under 1/5th of their pay).

3. Why are player revenues so high? Because of owners like Al Davis and Jerry Jones consistently over pay for mediocre talent. they think nothing of resetting the whole market to get their “one guy”. If you think that’s wrong ask yourself this. Why would an owner make a defensive TACKLE on the downside of his career the HIGHEST PAID DEFENSIVE PLAYER in the entire league over the next 2 years all the while complaining about “player costs” being too high. We all know why he did it. He didn’t want to have to bargain like normal people do and compete with other teams. So like a high roller at a Sotheby’s auction, he makes a bid so high that he know no one will match it! Should every player in the NFL take a nearly 1/5th pay cut so guys like him can continue to do that?!

Should the players take a pay cut? Absolutely! Should the owners in one of the most profitable sports organizations in the world have to explain why they need their players to take a nearly 20 PERCENT pay cut?! If your asking 5-7% fine, not 18%.

]]>By: nmeagle33http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040557
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:42:10 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040557The players knew what was going to happen when they elected him.
I’m tired of union bull. All they appear to be anymore are unelected politicans and law makers. Our country in is in deep s… and these guys are still demanding what put us there in the first place; also noting politicans and lawyers were very instrumental, big pay checks for them.
I am no longer interested in the NFL and care less about the players.
I’m not sure this is possible: 1st suggest the owners give the players all they want and just before the season declare, 2nd bankruptcy-ch.11 I think. With the debt most owners have and the new union player demands would make making money impossible. I wonder how d will attack that move; btw, is he still getting a pay check for a position that no longer exists. Probably did his CYA QUITE WELL.
The players can have whatever they want and I’ll not be around to watch this terrible new game.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:34:47 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040551@childressrulz , I’ll put my education to your’s anytime! The point you fail to realize is the NFL opperates in a vaccum. If the owners can not control how much they spend and on whom they spend it, the only way to maintain the same profit margin is to increase cost to the consumer.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:34:22 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040550I am frightened for the future of this country based on reading the majority of these comments.

People attaching their political views to this situation, without any real knowledge of what is going on, fueled by ignorance and hate. I count several attacks of De Smith’s physical features on here. My intent is not to pull the ‘race card’, but its undeniable that there is a level of hatred toward De Smith here, and it is expressed with ad hominem attacks, its just a fact.

There was a CBA in place where the players were making lots of money, and the owners were making EVEN MORE. But the owners decided to try to jam their labor force and take away revenue and benefits.

Now pay attention here, this is why the owners are wrong: The NFL is not the normal business operating under the rules of free enterprise and capitalism. IT IS A MONOPOLY. They bought out their competition, they stifle competition, they dominate Football around the globe. And there is nothing wrong with that, some businesses require it.

But in the early 20th century, the human race learned that when there is a monopoly, certain things that corporations are allowed to do normally end up hurting everybody. If the labor force has no alternative, the ownership can jam the labor force to accept compensation below their market value. SO, we passed laws to prevent it.

To equate the courts rulings today to liberal bias and anti-capitalism is plain, pure and simple, ignorance.

And for any fan to side with the owners just shows a lack of critical thinking, its a LOCKOUT, by definition, its the owners fault. The players liked the current deal, and ownership was thriving under the current deal, profits up, revenue up, ratings up, tv contracts up, PSL’s and season tickets up. But somehow thats not good enough, the ownership says its not a good deal. They wont show us their losses, but you can trust them, right?

Its like supporting OPEC morons, the owners are trying to jam you, the NFLPA is fighting back and winning, the result will be a CBA that is closer to the old one than the owners wanted originally, but at the end of the day they will take it because it was so profitable for them.

And then you’ll go back to watching football and the players on your fantasy teams, and you’ll hate De Smith, but if the NFLPA was under lesser management, yes the lockout probably would be over by now, but the players would have given back much more than they should’ve.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:12:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040513Hey DeMouth you know when we “lost”? when you were appointed/hired/elected to be the head of the Union. You sir are a politician who only cares about elevating you status in the eyes of other politicians. Every chance you get you get on your soap box and run your big yap about this being the leagues/owners fault.

Please go crawl back in the hole you came out of and maybe us fans can have the game we love so much back.

Question: Why is it up to the Owners, or for that matter any business owner to supply healthcare to its emplyees and retirees?
Answer: Because no one wants to plan a head, and take full accontability for themselves.

This model did not work out well for GM nor will it work for the NFL or the fan of the NFL. Ultimately it is the fans that pay and eventually it will be too expensive to attend a game let alone be a season ticker holder. At the end of the day everyone must remember all increases and expenses get passed to the payeer (the fan or the consumer)!
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Here we go. Another poster pretending he went to college. I’ll bet he didn’t even take economics let alone actually go to college. He is right in a sense that “increases and expenses get passed to the payee.” This is true only to a point. Businesses that figure out how to put out the highest quality products at the lowest cost point are the ones that succeed. So generally speaking the organization that stays in business is the one that passes on the least amount of it’s overhead to consumers. This guy probably thinks businesses move because of taxes as well. Jobs are shipped overseas because the workers are cheaper there. Taxes cost the average corporation a fraction of what workers and their benefits cost.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:56:16 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040482Way to take the high road Smith. He’s just another lawyer that thinks negotiating is blaiming the other side when they don’t cave in to all of your demands.

It takes two parties to create this sort of chaos.

]]>By: moochzillahttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040476
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:53:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040476“If this stay is based on the fact that there isn’t a union and won’t be a union, how do the players benefit in the long run without some sort of collective bargaining to establish guidelines for compensation?”

One point to make is this – most of the owners benefit from the protection the CBA provides, almost as much as the players do.

If there is no cap, and no draft, the owners of Jacksonville, Carolina, Tampa are done. They become the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Cowboy’s Yankees/Sox.

Even successful teams would die – as no shared TV revenue would render the Packers at a sever disadvantage when generating cash to pay players. The Giants and Jets and Bears would be dominant as they’d draw in far more local TV revenue.

One could argue that most owners want the equal playing field more than the players. Because they stand to lose huge investment without it.

And, as we see in MLB, salaries soar when you have unfettered bidding.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:51:32 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040472DeMaurice is a clown, a street corner preacher just like another that we know of. He sure does talk a good game, but when it comes to results, or intelligent bargaining…he shows his true colors. A silken voiced philistine with no answers and no solutions.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:49:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040466NFL owners wanted a $1B raise.

Players wanted to keep it as it was, not getting one dime more unless overall revenues increased.

So, yeah, it’s 100% on the owners. I don’t think anyone can make a case that it isn’t.

It’s a lockout, not a strike. The owners decided that.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:46:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040461@kknice … only a true moron would get on here and try to portray people being paid $350K (using your lowball number) as being victims and worthy of our sympathy because they are demanding more money to play a GAME. BTW get your facts straight … the average salary in 2009 was $770K.

You’ll forgive me for not being terribly sympathetic about that as I slog away at a job that pays me half of what I was making two years ago thanks to our bad economy.

My frustratation has nothing to do with race … it has to do with frustration. The “race” card … the go to play for people who can’t make an argument stand up to reason. Good job … now you’re ignorant in addition to being a moron.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:45:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040460The 3′-1″ mini commie shoots his mouth off again. What a piece of s–t
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:44:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040456dknice,
Barack Obama is fiscally responsible? You don’t have the first clue how to read a balance sheet do you.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:43:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040454@dknice let us remind you these players also were given an opportunity to educate themselves, when their NFL average three years are up, they should have that to fall back on. The NFL minimum of $350K is still 7x’s what the average US Citizen makes a year. This is not about race and your ignorance shows: when you don’t have a good argue, why run to the race card?

If you are ever interested in researching the phrase “Dumbing down of America”, read this forum. Somehow the greedy party is the football player who on average makes $350,000-$400,000 for about three years. Most players are not millionaires; except most of you can’t do the math.
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Spare us if we don’t feel sorry for those people who make $350-$400 K / year for only 3 years. That’s over a million dollars — more than many will make in a lifetime.

Plus, just like anyone else, players jobs skills become obsolete, so they need to find another job just like anyone else. Do you think the guy who fixed standard definitions televisions still has a job?

If they want long term security, they should try barber college.

Plus, they’ve got that degree from college, right?

On the flip side, we donate out hard earned tax money to billionaire owners to build their palaces, with little to no incentive other than some low paying, seasonal jobs. These are the sympathetic figures to most of you. Unreal!!! These same billionaires opted out of the contract they agreed to, yet I see many comments about players shutting up and playing out their signed deals.
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I have no argument about taxpayer money being used to fund stadiums for the rich, however, the owners exercised a right in the contract they signed. They didn’t simply attempt to re-negotiate a contract that didn’t have an opt-out provision. Plus, if the owners were making huge money, don’t you think the players would have opted out of the deal.

Let’s be honest, message boards like this are populated by mostly racists that can’t stand that a black lawyer and mostly black players don’t answer “yes masta” when the owners want to take money away.
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You got it right — lots of racists on this board.

It is the same for the current president. GW raised deficits more than anyone before him, yet we get fiscally responsible when a black man becomes president. There is nothing worse than angry white men that create straw man arguments instead of being brave enough to say what they really mean.
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There may not be anything worse, but there are something that are just bad.

If you are ever interested in researching the phrase “Dumbing down of America”, read this forum. Somehow the greedy party is the football player who on average makes $350,000-$400,000 for about three years. Most players are not millionaires; except most of you can’t do the math.
On the flip side, we donate out hard earned tax money to billionaire owners to build their palaces, with little to no incentive other than some low paying, seasonal jobs. These are the sympathetic figures to most of you. Unreal!!! These same billionaires opted out of the contract they agreed to, yet I see many comments about players shutting up and playing out their signed deals.
Let’s be honest, message boards like this are populated by mostly racists that can’t stand that a black lawyer and mostly black players don’t answer “yes masta” when the owners want to take money away. It is the same for the current president. GW raised deficits more than anyone before him, yet we get fiscally responsible when a black man becomes president. There is nothing worse than angry white men that create straw man arguments instead of being brave enough to say what they really mean.
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Football players on average made just under $1.8 mill/yr in 2009. I’d provide a link but this site does not allow it. Also, even if your numbers were right, which they aren’t even close, $350 x 3 = $1.05 mill dollars which would make the players millionaires even at your absurdly low numbers.

I do not support public funding of the owners stadiums.

There’s a difference between utilizing an out clause written into a deal vs forcing renegotiation via methods not specified in the contract. Please learn the difference.

Honestly, from reading your post it seems that the only racist here is you and not a very literate one at that.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:31:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-10404338man- the players benefit because football owners will have to compete with other teams to get players. There will be a market for ball players- teams that try to get players cheap will routinely lose- and may go out of business.

A good model is professional soccer. The game employs 100’s of players and those at the top make a fortune- and the average player makes a good amount too. The owners on the other hand- don’t make much at all. It is more like a hobby for the rich. Which in my opinion, is how sports should be run-

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:26:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040420” Somehow the greedy party is the football player who on average makes $350,000-$400,000 for about three years.”

Well, since the league minimum is 375K, the average can hardly be between 350 and 400K, now can it?

Seems like you might be a good example of the dumbing down of America. But then, since you see everything and anything through the prism of race, why should I be surprised.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:12:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040402snowpea84 says:
Apr 26, 2011 10:27 AM
The owneers should just pack up and move on. Things are only get worse for their businesses in the years to come.

Yeah, they should just fold up their teams that are worth about a billion dollars each out of spite.

]]>By: 8manhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040391
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:06:47 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040391I’m no fan of DeSmith’s, but so far, he has seemingly pushed all of the right buttons to move things around his way.

But my questions is this. If this stay is based on the fact that there isn’t a union and won’t be a union, how do the players benefit in the long run without some sort of collective bargaining to establish guidelines for compensation?

There are a lot of smart people on this board, I know at least one of you can answer this.

]]>By: pappysarcasmhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040385
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:01:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040385It’s “petty” and “small” for this azzhat to attempt to ruin the NFL for his own personal gain! He created the chaos by walking away from the table and suing in this liberal biased judicial system! What a tool!
]]>By: blackshirtzhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040384
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:59:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040384The penis in a hat speaks. He’s nothing but a chump.
]]>By: dknicehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/demaurice-smith-blames-nfl-for-allowing-chaos-to-occur/#comment-1040370
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:52:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127209#comment-1040370If you are ever interested in researching the phrase “Dumbing down of America”, read this forum. Somehow the greedy party is the football player who on average makes $350,000-$400,000 for about three years. Most players are not millionaires; except most of you can’t do the math.
On the flip side, we donate out hard earned tax money to billionaire owners to build their palaces, with little to no incentive other than some low paying, seasonal jobs. These are the sympathetic figures to most of you. Unreal!!! These same billionaires opted out of the contract they agreed to, yet I see many comments about players shutting up and playing out their signed deals.
Let’s be honest, message boards like this are populated by mostly racists that can’t stand that a black lawyer and mostly black players don’t answer “yes masta” when the owners want to take money away. It is the same for the current president. GW raised deficits more than anyone before him, yet we get fiscally responsible when a black man becomes president. There is nothing worse than angry white men that create straw man arguments instead of being brave enough to say what they really mean.
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