i Just picked up some buffalo bore 147 +p+ and after shooting about 25 rounds it is WICKED. I shot water jugs and clay and saw some serious damage and it hits so hard compared to a lot of the rounds i have tested so far. I also tried some of the new hornady critical duty 135 +p and they were pretty sick too. great penetration and textbook expansion ( you literally couldn't draw up a better looking mushroom.) Im carrying the Buffalo bore in my full size pistol and the critical duty in my kel tec pm9.