I am shocked SHOCKED that there is not a thread in here dedicated to Loki specific banter!!! Well, I guess I have to take it upon myself to start one.

Anyways, my gut instinct is thinking that this is going to be the movie where Loki irrevocably crosses the line into the dark side and falls from grace for all eternity.

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I don't. This reminds me of one of the more recent Thor runs. When Loki is supposedly in support of his brother, and you think there is some good happening, when he then manipulated Bor to attack Thor, resulting in Thor killing him, and Thor being exiled, then loki allies himself with Doom. To eventually become ruler of asgard.

I don't want Thor to try to save his brother in this movie, just to please his fangirls (who apparently know nothing about the character of Loki).

Thor has done enough trying to save Loki, in Thor, and Avengers. The line has been crossed. Thor should know his brother his beyond help. Keep it that way. Keep Loki a minor minor character in this movie.

This should be about Thor. Loki should answer for his crimes. And maybe do some few dark things. But that should be it.

Loki and Thor as a dynamic should not be a main point of this movie guys.

Maybe at the start of the film Loki will be against the forces of Asgard, but he may just have a change of heart. I seem to recall that in the myths Loki's allegiances are pretty bipolar. I was also thinking that while Malekith's goal is ruling the nine realms I'd think Loki would be more satisfied with not subjugating Asgard but making Thor his slave and taking out all his anger on his adoptive brother.

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I don't. This reminds me of one of the more recent Thor runs. When Loki is supposedly in support of his brother, and you think there is some good happening, when he then manipulated Bor to attack Thor, resulting in Thor killing him, and Thor being exiled, then loki allies himself with Doom. To eventually become ruler of asgard.

I don't want Thor to try to save his brother in this movie, just to please his fangirls (who apparently know nothing about the character of Loki).

Thor has done enough trying to save Loki, in Thor, and Avengers. The line has been crossed. Thor should know his brother his beyond help. Keep it that way. Keep Loki a minor minor character in this movie.

This should be about Thor. Loki should answer for his crimes. And maybe do some few dark things. But that should be it.

Loki and Thor as a dynamic should not be a main point of this movie guys.

All I want is one scene with Loki and Odin. After that awesome scene with the two in Thor and everything that has happened since, I want to see Loki and Odin together in a room, and see what they have to say to one another. As much as it pains me to say it, I think this movie should have a small amount of Loki considering he was the main villain 2 movies in a row.

It's not just the fangirls who think Loki should have a redemptive arc. I think it's a natural, sensible place for the character to go, given his portrayal in the last two movies, and especially with a new villain taking centre stage in this film.

Taking this approach is not just fan-service, and it's not untrue to the character. Some of the best Loki stories in the comics have dealt with his moral ambiguity and tackled the question of whether or not he's beyond redemption. Just making him an evil badass would be a step backwards at this stage, and would be doing a disservice to the complex, conflicted character Tom Hiddleston has so skillfully brought to life.

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It's not just the fangirls who think Loki should have a redemptive arc. I think it's a natural, sensible place for the character to go, given his portrayal in the last two movies, and especially with a new villain taking centre stage in this film.

Taking this approach is not just fan-service, and it's not untrue to the character. Some of the best Loki stories in the comics have dealt with his moral ambiguity and tackled the question of whether or not he's beyond redemption. Just making him an evil badass would be a step backwards at this stage, and would be doing a disservice to the complex, conflicted character Tom Hiddleston has so skillfully brought to life.

It's not just the fangirls who think Loki should have a redemptive arc. I think it's a natural, sensible place for the character to go, given his portrayal in the last two movies, and especially with a new villain taking centre stage in this film.

Taking this approach is not just fan-service, and it's not untrue to the character. Some of the best Loki stories in the comics have dealt with his moral ambiguity and tackled the question of whether or not he's beyond redemption. Just making him an evil badass would be a step backwards at this stage, and would be doing a disservice to the complex, conflicted character Tom Hiddleston has so skillfully brought to life.

Now obviously I don't know what it would be like, but if this did end up happening, I would be totally disappointed. I like fully evil Loki. He is a screwed up, unstable being with an enormous ego and no empathy. He has already tried to destroy one planet and force another into subjugation, after getting in deep with some space gangs. I wouldn't want to see that guy all of a sudden turn good after everything he has done, it would seem (to me) out of character, based solely on what has happened in Thor and The Avengers. If anything I think he would be bitter than he lost and only drive him to do something on a larger scale.

I especially loved Whedon's take on Loki, who he wrote as a purposefully over-the-top evil, theatrical villain. I felt like it was kind of an homage to old school villains who were very theatrical in how evil they were. This is the guy who snickered at the sight of sentiment...how much more exaggerated evil can you get, lol? I thought it was awesome. This character doesn't have any moral ambiguity. He is evil, and I like it that way.

If he does do something indicating he has had a change of heart, I only hope it is part of a larger villainous plan in which he is just doing it to trick Thor, or Odin or whomever.

I wouldn't mind seeing Loki as more of the puppet master pulling the strings. He appears to be trying to redeem himself in Thor 2, but he's really pulling the strings behind some evil plan. I don't think we've really seen that Loki yet.

I wouldn't mind seeing Loki as more of the puppet master pulling the strings. He appears to be trying to redeem himself in Thor 2, but he's really pulling the strings behind some evil plan. I don't think we've really seen that Loki yet.

Now THIS is the Loki I want to see, it would show more of his mischevious scheming side which is very essential to his character.

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Originally Posted by ddddeeee

Loki is just as, if not more popular than Thor at this point. He'll have a fairly big role I think.

He's not more popular than Thor, especially after Hulk made him a walking punchline.

Regardless the movie is still called "Thor" and not "Loki", so he's still a secondary whether or not he's more popular.

Now obviously I don't know what it would be like, but if this did end up happening, I would be totally disappointed. I like fully evil Loki. He is a screwed up, unstable being with an enormous ego and no empathy. He has already tried to destroy one planet and force another into subjugation, after getting in deep with some space gangs. I wouldn't want to see that guy all of a sudden turn good after everything he has done, it would seem (to me) out of character, based solely on what has happened in Thor and The Avengers. If anything I think he would be bitter than he lost and only drive him to do something on a larger scale.

What do you mean you don't know what it would be like? We haven't had a "fully evil Loki" in the films yet. He's a conflicted, nuanced character, which is a big part of his appeal. In Thor, his plan is basically to save Asgard, be regarded as a hero, and earn his father's love. But because Loki is Loki, his plan for doing that revolves around mischief, deceit and trickery. You should always be questioning what Loki's motives and intentions are. The second he's just plainly bad with no innkling of doubt, THAT would be when he veers out of character.

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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

I especially loved Whedon's take on Loki, who he wrote as a purposefully over-the-top evil, theatrical villain. I felt like it was kind of an homage to old school villains who were very theatrical in how evil they were. This is the guy who snickered at the sight of sentiment...how much more exaggerated evil can you get, lol? I thought it was awesome. This character doesn't have any moral ambiguity. He is evil, and I like it that way.

I think you need to watch that scene again. When Loki says "Sentiment", a single tear rolls down his cheek. Huddleston played that as Loki genuinely torn over whether or not to accept Thor's offer of reconciliation, before deciding there's no way back for him. Yes, Loki's actions are more overtly evil in The Avengers than in Thor, but his best scenes remain his interactions with Thor, where we get just a hint that he might not be beyond saving.

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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy

If he does do something indicating he has had a change of heart, I only hope it is part of a larger villainous plan in which he is just doing it to trick Thor, or Odin or whomever.

I'd be inclined to respect the reverse, where for much of the film it seems like he might be in league with Maleketh, only for a third-act betrayal revealing he has sided with Thor and Odin.

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It's not just the fangirls who think Loki should have a redemptive arc. I think it's a natural, sensible place for the character to go, given his portrayal in the last two movies, and especially with a new villain taking centre stage in this film.

I agree with this. Loki's not all about being bad. He's ambigious. You could almost call him a hero in his own right (or at least an anti-hero)

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Clearly you've not read much with Loki in it. He's not evil, he's.....complicated.

Did you ever hear that hilarious story about the kid who went up to Alan Rickman and said 'why do you always play bad guys'?

What I mean when I say "I don't know what it would be like," I mean maybe once I see how they go about portraying Loki as turning good, I might like it, if done right. But right now I am against it because it seems out of character.

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We haven't had a "fully evil Loki" in the films yet. He's a conflicted, nuanced character, which is a big part of his appeal. In Thor, his plan is basically to save Asgard, be regarded as a hero, and earn his father's love. But because Loki is Loki, his plan for doing that revolves around mischief, deceit and trickery. You should always be questioning what Loki's motives and intentions are. The second he's just plainly bad with no innkling of doubt, THAT would be when he veers out of character.

How can you say we haven't scene fully evil Loki? I don't care if he thought his motives were noble, doesn't every villain think his actions are noble? He tried to destroy an entire planet and then subjugate Earth. He also killed Coulson, tried to kill Thor on multiple occasions and tried to kill Tony Stark. How is this not fully evil? If that isn't fully evil, what in the world is fully evil? Give me an example, please.

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I think you need to watch that scene again. When Loki says "Sentiment", a single tear rolls down his cheek. Huddleston played that as Loki genuinely torn over whether or not to accept Thor's offer of reconciliation, before deciding there's no way back for him. Yes, Loki's actions are more overtly evil in The Avengers than in Thor, but his best scenes remain his interactions with Thor, where we get just a hint that he might not be beyond saving.

I am sorry but...no. That is wrong. You need to watch that scene again. He wasn't "torn" over whether or not to accept Thor's offer. Maybe in that brief moment where it glances at him and he is staring right back at Thor. But then he immediately stabs him in the ribs, and laughs at the sight of Thor expressing sentimentality.

Now maybe you are right about Loki having a redemptive nature in the comics. I am just saying that with this version of Loki, it would seem out of character at this point for Loki to have a change of heart and decide to help Thor, who he has an intense hatred for and has tried to kill multiple times.

As I said, Loki did horrible, evil things I'm The Avengers, no doubt, and had a good time doing many of them. But Thor said it best when he said that Loki is lost in a cloud of madness, but deep down, he's still his brother, and he wasn't always evil.

And no, I'm not wrong. I'm not talking about a personal interpretation of the scene, I'm talking about objective fact. After stabbing Thor, tears are rolling down his cheeks as he says, "Sentiment.". I saw the film in cinemas 3 times, and noticed it each time. The people I went to see the film with on each occasion all remarked on it. People on these forums have commented on it as a standout Loki moment. It shows there is some level of sadness and regret about his actions, unless you want to argue that he's so happy about being bad that he's crying tears of joy.

Loki is a villain, no doubt. But to suggest he is just pure evil with no hints whatsoever of moral conflict in these films is laughable.

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