WOOOOOOW!!! Father Goes HAM On Son . . . When He Learns The Boy ACTED UP IN SCHOOL!! (Is This GOOD D

Oh man... This takes me back. My father is a Chief Master Sergeant for the Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal and a Homicide/Arson detective for
a Sheriff's department. He BELIEVES in discipline, lol. When I was 13 or so and was REALLY messing up his punishment went like this;

First he took away my cool clothes. No more boxers, no more JNCO jeans (I'm Native American and Irish but I sure thought I was a thug, lol), No more
Vans skate shoes... Out came the Wrangler jeans, the "tighty whitey" underwear, and a pair of plain shoes. After that I got my butt whooped with a
belt (that changed after the first time he did it as I was screaming at him it was illegal as he was doing it), he switched to spanking me by hand
after that (man that hurt way worse). And then it was off to do a 4-5 mile run with him (sometimes he made me do wall sits or hold phone books in my
open hands with my arms extended, that sucked). But the intense exercise we always had the best conversations and usually got right down to the root
of why I was doing what I was doing.

I may have hated the butt whoopings and the fact I had to dress the way I did... But I often look back at the 5 mile runs and conversations I had
with him afterwards (usually while we were both still panting) as some of the best memories I have of that time in my life.

I didn't meet my Dad until I was 12, until then I was brought up by my single mom, she had her hands FULL. I freely admit I was the epitome of
what's considered BAD problem child. He had me straightened out within a couple years.

Originally posted by MightyQuincunx
This debate could go on forever. It has become very apparent that we are arguing about what the definition of abuse is. Frankly, when it is an issue
regarding children it stirs up personal emotions and questions morals/ethics. It is instinct to get aggressively attached to a "right side" in the
name of the best interest of children. I think that the consistent motivator for almost all of us posting here is the fact that we all seem to care
about where this child ends up in the future. There is a human element that I find promising anyway. Some (a minority) of the posts are just sick
and downright mean. You know who you are. For the rest of us...I am glad that the undercurrent here is the welfare of the child and his development.
With that being said, I was going to post all of the medical terminology and definitions in the law and I chose not to. I think that it would have
just opened the doors to more arguments. I can say, in all honesty, that I have little faith in modern medicine and our legislators definitions of
anything.

So...it appears that we are back to inherent human nature. I think (IMO) that you must turn the tables and ask yourself the same questions about
where to draw the line. I don't care about how you were raised and what color you are. It really doesn't matter. It is about breaking a cycle of
abusive behavior. It's about patience, tolerance and communication...if we can't do this for our children then the world really is doomed.

Ask yourself what abuse is. Then define it. If it were you (currently)...how would you feel if;

1. someone (boss, police officer, professor, neighbor) didn't like your behavior and they called a friend over to watch you be hit with a belt, have
your head shaved, publicly humiliated and all of this was caught on film. What would you call it? I call it illegal (assault, public humiliation and
mental anguish to name a few).

2. How about this; your son or daughter does not like your behavior and they subject you to the same punishments that this father inflicted upon his
son? I am sure that some of you would have protective orders filed immediately.

3. and if it were strangers who inflicted this punishment on you you might call it a mugging or, better yet, terrorism and torture.

It is interesting to me to watch a parent's reaction to someone outside of the family hurting their child. The same parent will go ballistic if
somebody (a stranger) were to hit their child or humiliate them publicly. So those who disagree with my opinion...is it fair to say that it is okay
for a parent to to be the one to inflict hurt and pain? Not suggesting that we leave it up to strangers either.

Parents are the people in a child's life that are supposed to teach compassion and respect. A parent who hits their child to regain control is out
of control...period. I am sorry if I have upset anyone here on ATS with my strong opinions on this but I am a true believer that if we start "at
home", making the world a better (less violent) place, humanity actually has a chance.

I normally wouldn't quote a long post but I want people to read this again.

A) When someone does something wrong it is OK to humiliate them.
B) Violence is an acceptable punishment.

I wonder how many people commenting on this thread were quick to denounce the Soudis for sentancing a woman to 10 lashes for driving. This kid mucks
about at school, as we all did now and then, and he gets hit 15 times with his fathers belt on his bare bum, and then worked out like an army camp. Ad
you think this is OK? You think this makes you any better than the Soudis?

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

Source please?

Source!? You want a source?! Just trust me everything I say is true. Always. Just kidding here ya go, sorry I left out.

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

yep..no kidding..doesn't surprise me..some friggin saddist getting his jollies spanking a kid.. his friend was probably wanking off at the same
time..

watch the video imagining the father as being a sincere character with nothing but love and commitment in his heart to the rules and laws that he
truly believes will help his son through life and teach him the right way, and it seems fine.

watch it imagining the dad as some intoxicated thug live-in stepfather who gets kicks out of humiliating kids and posting it on the internet, and it
somehow appears totally different.

that's where the lawyers come in; and the fact of the matter is it's probably a little bit of both of the above. i mean, we are humans after all
aren't we? is this the real world or are we living in playschool? im sure all of us each have enough traumatic memories of childhood to fill up the
whole internet had it been filmed, it's called 'real life'; and we shouldn't be arguing over other human beings who we don't know from adam using
our own twisted and jaded sets of BS moral rules.

so more to the point, i'd have to argue in favor of this being a suitable and non-abusive punishment, but that's just because to me the dude in the
video comes across as pretty straight. so there we go.

so more to the point, i'd have to argue in favor of this being a suitable and non-abusive punishment, but that's just because to me the dude in the
video comes across as pretty straight. so there we go.

really? he comes off as some guy who gets his jollies having a kid bow to him, calling him sir, and God knows what else..

That guy struck me as some egotistical weirdo... and whoever could let a child or grandchild be mentored by the likes of a twisted individual such as
this , must not give a damn about the child.

that's what i'm saying, it's totally subjective; because my first reaction was that he seemed ok; then i started thinking about it a little more
and realized it could easily be either way.

it really depends on how good a picture of this guy's character can be drawn by lawyers etc based on his past records. i'd like to see how it ends
up, but i do agree that it was somewhat irresponsible for him to film it and put it on the internet.

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

Source please?

Source!? You want a source?! Just trust me everything I say is true. Always. Just kidding here ya go, sorry I left out.

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

Source please?

Source!? You want a source?! Just trust me everything I say is true. Always. Just kidding here ya go, sorry I left out.

Originally posted by Lorienth
It was in the news today that the guy in the video was arested. Also... It was said that the guy is actually not the kids father but that he had
been "mentoring" him for the last year.

Source please?

Source!? You want a source?! Just trust me everything I say is true. Always. Just kidding here ya go, sorry I left out.

Yea sorry about that. The original link I posted was a CNN daily video stream that changes constantly. At the time it was the only concrete link I
could find though. Here's a new one. No video, but it should be a more permanent link.

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