I wonder, since the prototypes seem to be almost completely function (if not completely function) like 2 years before KWA releases the product, maybe it isn't R&D's fault. I feel like KWA manufacturing is sub par on production. It seems like engineering designs everything and then it takes months for the factory to do a run of even the smallest part.

Totally, I've noticed that as well. I'd really like to see all this overseas airsoft manufacturing just go away, move it back to the USA. Better engineer to manufacturer connection, faster production times, better quality control (not that KWA really needs better QC anyway), easier design changes, probably less crap to be dealt with in terms of import too. Sure it might cost more, but to me that's a selling point that outweighs almost anything else.

I agree. It would be awesome to see an all USA airsoft brand. Polarstar is close but they use VFC bodies (not that I don't like VFC, best externals IMHO). KWA's problem might also be that they have too diverse of a product line. Sorry to MKIII and IV users but I train with a lot of SOF and counter terror & smuggling PD guys, most using 1911s, and I have never met a guy who trusts a bushing-less 1911 when it really counts. I just don't see why you would have a gun marketed for professional training if no one uses them. Not that it truly matters with an airsoft gun, but it's more unique pieces to manufacture.

If I could explain the R&D, manufacturing process and quality control process completely....I would. I will agree that our former CEO announced products way too early, and it left all of you wondering what happened to the products as well as what is wrong with the company that we can't get things done. The production process is a long one, and although some of our prototypes seem like they're ready...they are usually still far from it. Yes, the items function...but for how long and how well? We need to test the items for awhile, improve them, change designs....it's a lot more than you guys realize and our only real mistake was announcing products that we knew would take this amount of time.
This won't be the case any longer, because it does make us look bad due to the fact that not everyone understands how long the process really takes.
We are working hard to get the other items out that we announced quite some time ago, even before the LWRC. Please be patient with us while we make them right, as we don't want to put out something just because it's been awhile since we announced it but because it's complete.
We won't be doing early announcements on products any longer....gonna be a big surprise! I already have a couple that I will not be telling you guys about...

I agree haha KingSize tell the powers that be it's not always the base gun we're looking for it might be attachments or products we see everyday. Look at http://kwausa.com/fo...showtopic=11246 We would also like more choice once we buy.

I totally understand that R&D and testing takes a long time to finish. I guess my mistake was assuming that the demo units were close to production status. I agree with NuttyP, I would like to see the platform be more accessible to the average airsofter. Not everyone has been trained to use 30rnd mags. The more different options and accessories people have to match their playing or training style, the better. KingSize, how do you guys feel about 3rd party accessories? Would you guys condone or maybe assist someone in producing parts or accessories to integrate with the LM4?

I would be 100% ok with only 30 rounds if BBs flew like 5.56, but they don't. No airsoft gun is ever going to be completely realistic. Elitist attitudes don't help those of us that like GBBs. The more inclusive you are, the more people buy the guns, and the more market there is for accessories. The more market there is for accessories, the more different choices we have. If you want to only have 30rnds in your magazine, then only load 30rnds. No one is forcing you to load more.

I'll give you another clue, if I could fit more than 30rnds in my service magazines, I would. Just some thing to ponder when thinking about "realism".

I would be 100% ok with only 30 rounds if BBs flew like 5.56, but they don't. No airsoft gun is ever going to be completely realistic. Elitist attitudes don't help those of us that like GBBs. The more inclusive you are, the more people buy the guns, and the more market there is for accessories. The more market there is for accessories, the more different choices we have. If you want to only have 30rnds in your magazine, then only load 30rnds. No one is forcing you to load more.

I'll give you another clue, if I could fit more than 30rnds in my service magazines, I would. Just some thing to ponder when thinking about "realism".

That pretty much hits it on the head. The only thing about capacity that bothers me is when a game of skill and tactics devolves into "who has the most ammo and the highest rate of fire?" which really just kills any sense of fun for me.

That pretty much hits it on the head. The only thing about capacity that bothers me is when a game of skill and tactics devolves into "who has the most ammo and the highest rate of fire?" which really just kills any sense of fun for me.

Yeah, it's pretty lame when I'm getting pinned by someone with 12 flash mags just dumping ammo into my position until he gets a lucky shot. That being said, it is way more satisfying when I pick off 15+ people in a game with only 2 mags.

I couldn't agree with both of you any more. I wish we had a higher ammo capacity just so I could compete at the local weekend games. I also wish that there were a lot more people who wanted to play with real tactics, and less 14 year olds who pray-n-spray with polar stars and hi-caps. Though, when I tell them what I do for work they tend to want to play tactics to see how the real guys do it

I couldn't agree with both of you any more. I wish we had a higher ammo capacity just so I could compete at the local weekend games. I also wish that there were a lot more people who wanted to play with real tactics, and less 14 year olds who pray-n-spray with polar stars and hi-caps. Though, when I tell them what I do for work they tend to want to play tactics to see how the real guys do it

Beach sounds like you might be one of me haha 20 years going through doors and running walls is what I do. And yes I do it full retard because I practice constantly. If I could do warrants and hostage rescue with a drum mag I would but the weight slows down flowing movement way to much. I for one do not equate airsoft with realism. Sorry guys I just don't. I like it to be as real as possible but on the field I can respawn. When I go to my real job there is no reset. If I make a mistake that could be it. So let's just roll with this because airsoft is what it is and I like it that way. No I don't want it to go the way of paint ball but I love having the ability to Tacticool or Nicky Neat my LM4. Not having to give up a lot of ground to AEG's is primary in my book. They have a shot to shot constants rate that we are trying to achieve but haven't yet so we continue work DIY to improve. They have tons more ammo which I can do without but a little more for us is better. Feedback and fun they can't even come close. Like Beach said if more are sold more upgrade products will become available. Being elitist leads to one thing and thats the death of GBBR's in the long run and trust me I've seen it happen with my other hobby and it sucks major cheese!

You sir have far more experience than I do. I've never run warrants but I would never dream of bringing a drum to search and seizure or hostage rescue. It would be way too unwieldy to swing around a front heavy SOB like that, especially in a ship. I have used a surefire 60, and I have to say once you get used to it it isn't too bad. I agree that GBB tech isn't quite up to par with the reliability and consistency of AEGs, but it just feels strange to me to pull the trigger and have no recoil. I think I may even have to get myself a heavier buffer and weaker spring to up my LM4"s recoil. I really hope that GBBs become more affordable and get more "flavors", and start to appeal to more folks. It would be awesome to have more gas only games.

Original link gives error for me. I don't know how I feel about this since I have both the PSD and M6A2 AEG's inbound to start my project to make my LM4 into an LWRC, with the option to go with a PSD short barrel or M6A2 mid length. Was gunna be totally unique. But then I hear about this and it was a little disheartening. Yet exciting at the same time! LWRC makes pretty much my favorite piston AR and to see it (officially) come to the milsim realm is awesome!'

Edit: Oops! Just realized this was a massive Necro. Got linked to the thread from an external site. Hadn't bothered to check dates.

Original link gives error for me. I don't know how I feel about this since I have both the PSD and M6A2 AEG's inbound to start my project to make my LM4 into an LWRC, with the option to go with a PSD short barrel or M6A2 mid length. Was gunna be totally unique. But then I hear about this and it was a little disheartening. Yet exciting at the same time! LWRC makes pretty much my favorite piston AR and to see it (officially) come to the milsim realm is awesome!'

Edit: Oops! Just realized this was a massive Necro. Got linked to the thread from an external site. Hadn't bothered to check dates.