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germany and india follow the same model of keeping the tier1 NSG SAG under home ministry only, which is fine imo so long as they can train with the army and navy sf also. US FBI HRT is under their home ministry.

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Do you know his father made the supreme sacrifice in OP Pawan. There is a BR article on 10 Para which mentions this. Goes like this ‘when author visited Rashtrapati Bahwan he spoke to Maj Varun Chabra and seeing Vakis an badge mentioned Col Chabra. Major Varun didn’t say anything. 15 mins later when author was leaving Major Varun went up to him and told him that Col Chabra was my father and that’s why I joined his paltan’ And today he has become a Col and has done his father’s memory proud.

This is the magic of the Indian army.

Varun was a junior at Army School Ambala Cantt between 1992 and 1994. Even though I was a few years ahead of him, I knew him because he was my sister's classmate and friend. I remember him as a bright and energetic kid- he was still 12 or 13 years old back then. It was a pleasant surprise to see him in uniform as CO of one of the toughest fighting units in the country.

Up till the late 1990s, they were regularly seen at the market of Choudwar. The locals took them to be Gurkhas of the Odisha Special Armed Police, often deployed at the outer periphery of the Charbatia air base. Old-timers remember their presence from the late ‘sixties. Few know that these groups of tough looking young men were part of the Indian Army’s most secret guerrilla force, called the Special Frontier Force (SFF) or simply Establishment 22, often referred to in military parlance as “two-twos.” Very little is known about their presence and activities; they functioned under the India Secret Service establishment Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). Even today, the Indian government denies the existence of this force.

It was Biju Patnaik who was instrumental in the formation of Establishment 22. In fact, it was he who had mooted the idea of a Tibetan Guerilla Force, comprising the Khampa rebels, after the 1962 Chinese debacle. As Nehru’s close confidant and defence adviser, Biju along with the Intelligence Bureau Chief B.N.Mullick, convinced Nehru that a force be formed comprising of members drawn from among the Tibetan youth who had fled to India along with the Dalai Lama. In their book “The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet”, Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison have detailed Biju Patnaik’s role in the formation of the force. It was under Biju’s stewardship that Indian intelligence had established close relations with the Central Intelligence Agency for support of the Tibetan resistance movement. In fact, India had allowed the CIA to set up camps and train the Tibetan Guerillas. Biju Patnaik had also visited the USA twice as Nehru’s representative.

An Indian Army paratrooper, Lance Sunil Naik, died in an accident while taking part in a training mission on Friday at Agra.His parachute did not open after he jumped out of a special operations plane on a training mission from an altitude of 6,000 feet.He reportedly died on the spot

“The deceased commando was an expert at free-fall para jumps and had more than 60 such jumps to his credit,” army spokesperson wing commander Arvind Sinha said, adding the probe would ascertain the cause of death.

1 Para specialises in mountain warfare and Kumar was at the Malpura dropping zone on the outskirts of Agra for a three-week refresher course.

The 27-year-old was rushed to the military hospital where he was declared brought dead, Sinha said.

The post mortem examination said a head injury caused by a fall from a height proved fatal for the soldier

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Afghanistan, 2004, Regestaan Desert. 4th Company for the Afghan Northern Alliance. The specific roles and posts of my unit are albeit not classified, I have chosen to keep them out of this.

The flesh trade was just picking up on the Durand Line. Slavers and traffickers, sometimes also dressed up as NGOs and social workers; were abducting and selling children from 5–15 years old, luring young girls across the borders into Uzbekistan, Pakistan, the NWFP… such that to save their daughters families would dress them as boys, draw little mustaches and beards on them, or stick some real hair on their faces with gum, etc.

Also, the Taliban, having fallen from CIA’s grace, paid for weapons in this way sometimes, giving these children and women to foreign military officers for ammunition, guns, transport and information.

There was a market, a bazaar where in a district for whoring and gambling and fighting pits and stuff, where parents of abducted children, or police would first look. They then would go to the Taliban, who, in exchange demanded money, or services.

That’s why you didn’t act wildly and shoot or maim a normal looking family guy gone suddenly insane and carrying guns or bombs where he should be looking for his baby. It was an unwritten rule to try and use minimal force with these people acting only to save their child.

I did visit the fights and the flea markets, but never went to the ‘harems’, where you could see little, innocent babies with soorma and lipstick ready to service the gigantic filthy mongoloids who came there.

The Alliance had won every battle, and was only being hurt by the proxies, the families of poor householders, forced to render service to Talibaners, for the safe return of their children. You could see them fighting like zombies, eyes blank, no emotional investment in the fight, guns hung loosely from soft limbs not meant for war but trembling to hold their babes once more.

The passionless Alla-hoo-Akbars they shouted were more like indictments against the very God who gave them the doomed children. My heart went out to them, even as I had to shoot them one by one. I slew 4 men, only working hard to get their daughters/sisters back.

Do you know what this is like? I often ask couch-warmongers, and idiots who are fascinated with the workings of a special force. A special force is something sent to resolve situations that cannot be disclosed to the world. We are trained in speed. In finality. In precision. Only to obliterate the offending part of humanity, and every evidence of it ever having been. So the rest of mankind gets to live in it’s fool’s paradise of “democracy, socialism, what-the-fµck-ever”. I digress.

We found that three of our own were not only partaking of the trivially worded, proverbial “बहती गंगा..” ( their words, not mine ), but also compromised in terms of info, and that it had reached Command. A tall, dark chap from Bengal or Assam, and two from Rajasthan. Their names were one step shy from being released to public, as at the same time CNN was doing a story on this evil trade.

Our Command (which was in the hands of a true patriot and Son of India) felt that it was time to affect change, in the ranks, in morale, in standards of the Indian Army. We had a choice of shipping them home to court martial them, but our group commander (OSIC) was a man of real steel .

It was time to set precedent.

I shot two of them myself, one was taken by his own acquaintance. We could not allow the Army’s name to be sullied by the procedures that would rake up this filth. And with CNN’s expose already in play, we would really suffer more than we deserved, all because of three sons of bitches. After their bodies were ‘discovered’, carried back and shipped home as ‘casualties’, there was a new found respect, an awe, of the Indian Para contingent, among the Brits, the US special operators, the Turks, mercs, everyone.

I have shared this, not to indulge your appetites for fantabulous military glory, or steal valor from my comrades in the alliance actions. We all know, how it all went to shit later, anyway. Ask most police, paramilitary, peacekeeper army… to take a stand like that, and they get shaky feet.

Hundreds of thousands line up for selection into India’s Armed Forces every year. In the other countries, you have to chase young men to recruit and those who get away are called ‘dodgers’. But in India, you have got to cut it, mate. Of the few hundreds who can cut it, the SF commando are selected in not tens, but ones. That is what makes them “Men Apart, Every Man An Emperor”.

^^^ I remember that Indian SF (most likely SG) was present in Astan during the early days of the Invasion. They were part of the Advisory contingent of Tiger Mehmood and helped with the Link up of the First ODA's in country.

rkhanna wrote:^^^ I remember that Indian SF (most likely SG) was present in Astan during the early days of the Invasion. They were part of the Advisory contingent of Tiger Mehmood and helped with the Link up of the First ODA's in country.

Yes just googled it you are correct. Apologies memory with names has gotten fuzzy. But Indian SF were there with the NA prior to the invasion and played a key role in helping CIA and ODA teams link with with the broader NA and also give early Intel on the Taliban that helped prep the ground for the invasion

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 7973258240 ---> An Israeli Air Force UH-60 'Yanshuf' approaches a landing zone being covered by Indian Air Force Garud Commandos and Israeli Air Force Unit 669 Commandos as they prepare to evacuate an injured personnel during a Combat Search and Rescue Mission.

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 6729735168 ----> 4 Para SF Operative using a RO-400 Wall Penetrating Radar during a Room Intervention Operation. Ideal for Hostage Rescue and Military Operations in Urban Terrain it is designed to provide information about the presence of people behind brick, cement, concrete structures.

This experience of being under real fire is valuable. Perhaps we are the only force in the world where 90% of the army (in rotation via RR) has operated under fire. We make fun of PLA stating that the last war they fought was in 1979 that too with not very pleasant result. Then the opposite of it, must be beneficial. Training matters, but so does experience. I remember one IAF pilot saying they practiced very hard, but when the real war happened (1965) and on their first sortie, they saw fire everywhere on ground, with self and enemy tanks almost looking similar and a not so delineated front, made it very hard to kill tanks from above ground. They did not wanted to harm their own side. A 'real' experience would have been good, which they got during war and improved as the war progressed. It came in handy in 71.

I think that's a given, nobody expects NSG to show up for routine jobs. (if anything can be called routine in COIN)

I suspect with the JK govt gone, and if govt launches some campaign to put more pressure on jihadis, terrorists being desparate will be forced to stage high profile attacks like in 2001-02 on amarnath, assembly or other HVTs. This move by govt is to prepare for such eventuality proactively. Perhaps it would have been best ot keep it under wraps both before and after the operation. Dont like the BS of all of their snipers being trained in Israel.

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 5111945217 ---> Indian Navy Marine Commandos armed with under folder AKMS and Closed - In Circuit Rebreathers during an amphibious assault exercise. These AKMS are upgraded by OFB with P-Rails to mount various accessories like MARS Red Dot Sights.

Why is that BS?[/quote]1. are all of them trained in Israel? Not that I am aware of happy to be corrected2. Even if true, it just written by people looking for external validation of our capabilities and not believe in our own forces and their training systems.