I have never had much luck using bubble on its own with out a ton of waste and mess, it will be nice to have a device that makes this convenient. It sounds like bubble and Cera will make for a nice party piece for multiple users, I am tired of being the guy off in the dark corner with a needle and a spoon, sorry Stones song stuck in my head, I mean a torch and a nail (still get the same looks from some as if it was a needle and a spoon).

I am certain I will give the LL cart a flower work out as well but I have to admit I have never said wow to the flavor of vaped flowers yet I have been wowed by flower combusted thousands of times. Again I apologize, such nasty words like combustion are best reserved for whispers and late night conversations around a camp fire reflecting on the good old days.

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GR,

Just make sure to sit upwind of that camp fire-TOXINS you know. After all we abandoned combustion.... (Lol).

Just make sure to sit upwind of that camp fire-TOXINS you know. After all we abandoned combustion.... (Lol).

NN

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I tried sitting around a camp vape, it was cold, dark and lonely. Now I stick with combustion of home grown, pesticide free (I don't mind the bugs, they are the ones that damaged the trees so I could have fire wood), and organic fertilizer ( rotting debris is fertilizer right?) Oak. Besides iI am not scared of a little smoke in the face unless of coarse it is smoke on the water.

Speaking of camp fires, the Cera would go very nice with one, I could really see a bunch of bubble bowls or maybe flower bowls freely flowing around the circle followed by an EO cart already stocked with oil just to make sure those sitting downwind don't steal my seat.

Edit: all this talk of camp fires has me itching to pre order the Cera, don't ask. I am not the pre order type of personality but my gut is telling me the performance I want will be there even if all the small details are not worked out 100%.

One would assume that the battery is a button top version. Is it the unprotected version or the protected?

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You too are welcome, glad it's useful information to you.

No, this latest is just like the other 3, it's a flat top to start with with a button of solder on top to make the switch work right (it depends on a high point in the center). It seems to be an unprotected cell, slightly shorter than the rest (no PCB?). It does put out a higher voltage under load by a bit over .3 Volts (that's a lot) over the other Beta Test batteries. It just did 34 minutes total time before I decided to cut it off (it was 3.2 Volts at that point, still vaping bud but pretty slow getting oil going. I tried oil for a quick hit a couple times in the herb run (between bowls), I'm thinking it's a bit faster than the protected batteries with oil. Something else to test for I guess.

Anyway, based on the run I just did and five minutes a bowl I'd say TV's estimate of 'five times the battery life' is vindicated. I also confirmed that 3 to 5 minutes is a good time to expect to 'wolf down a bowl' and get on with your life. By the five minute mark the top of the unit is getting uncomfortable to hang onto and the cap (but not yet the MP itself) uncomfortably warm. Folks were curious about that a while ago.

I also have the cap part of the skin. It's too big (slips off too easily, mold needs some work) but it does a great job of insulating the cap/MP. I ran it until it got too hot to deal with lip wise, put the cap over the cover and vaped on using the cap rather than ceramic. I can't see single users needing it really, but in a party situation it beats waiting for Cera to cool.

When bubble hash is mentioned are we referring to compressed hash from a bubble bag run? Dry, sometimes a little crumbly? Or plain old fashioned compressed kief/ hash? Like from the late 70's what people typically called Lebanese blonde etc? Just curious...

When bubble hash is mentioned are we referring to compressed hash from a bubble bag run? Dry, sometimes a little crumbly? Or plain old fashioned compressed kief/ hash? Just curious...

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Yeah, bubble bags or similar. Two definitions depending on who you ask for bubble hash: hash that bubbles (melts), or that it is associated with bubble bags. The latter is why a lot of concentraters will go with full melt/ice hash/ ice water extract/ et al.

No, this latest is just like the other 3, it's a flat top to start with with a button of solder on top to make the switch work right (it depends on a high point in the center). It seems to be an unprotected cell, slightly shorter than the rest (no PCB?). It does put out a higher voltage under load by a bit over .3 Volts (that's a lot) over the other Beta Test batteries. It just did 34 minutes total time before I decided to cut it off (it was 3.2 Volts at that point, still vaping bud but pretty slow getting oil going. I tried oil for a quick hit a couple times in the herb run (between bowls), I'm thinking it's a bit faster than the protected batteries with oil. Something else to test for I guess.
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Thanks again.

BTW Panasonic makes this battery in three types, including a button top:

This may sound dumb to the experienced but I don't know much about these bigger batteries yet (still learning), but is there any chance of the battery exploding or bursting due to over use? Like does it just keep getting hotter and hotter or will it just run itself down til it's out of juice and just maintain the hot temp?

When bubble hash is mentioned are we referring to compressed hash from a bubble bag run? Dry, sometimes a little crumbly? Or plain old fashioned compressed kief/ hash? Like from the late 70's what people typically called Lebanese blonde etc? Just curious...

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Yes, as NN said, we're talking about the bag extracted resin using water. In the case of what I'd call 'solid' or 'pressed' hash (old school) it needs to be broken up so the hot air can get to it. It has to be loose, just like the bubble does. Pack it even a little bit and it seems to fuse into a lump and take much longer to 'cook down'.

Yes, no doubt. I'm guessing I got one from the prior testing batch, it came out of a small sort of random box of stuff. I suspect whatever is on order fits the need and will be brand new. I noticed the bottom of the shrink on jacket is pulled up a bit, I wonder if it had an overheating adventure before it got to me? It still works very well whatever the story is.

This may sound dumb to the experienced but I don't know much about these bigger batteries yet (still learning), but is there any chance of the battery exploding or bursting due to over use?

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Not dumb at all, a very real concern. These guys don't explode but they can build up pressure if they fail (lots of energy in there). If you look carefully around the top you can usually find the safety vents. Usually it's a thin disk with a sharp tooth against it under the top. If pressure builds up, the disk warps up (weakest part), and tears open venting the gas. In Cera's case the gas escapes then through the holes for the upper switch. In T1 small hole was drilled in the bottom of the inner tube. Likewise the Ultra supplies have vent holes in the inner tubes.

They are more likely to vent on a charger failure as I understand it, and the protection boards in protected batteries usually prevent breakdowns but it does happen so you need a vent plan to keep from making a pipe bomb of your Cera over a simple battery failure.

So if anything it'll just vent out the gas, I'm assuming it does that to prevent it from blowing.

Smart, thanks. Just saying, I learn more from online forums like this than I ever did in high school. Ha, and it's legitimate knowledge too, not just stoner talk. Respect.

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Yup, that's what happens and why. I bet it's still plenty scary sometimes, but at least you don't get hurt.

You're very welcome. No problem at all with folks trying to stay safe. I disagree a bit with you though, to me it doesn't matter where (and within limits how) you gain knowledge. Knowing beats ignorance every time. The trick is to be sure it's the straight poop.....

Tim/Noah: how will the Cera handle dry-sift kif and slightly pressed brown hash? And how about fully pressed oxidised-black ala Temple Ball?

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From what I've read (and experienced in my T1) the dry sift would be best mixed or sandwiched between some plant material, the darker pressed kind break up into pieces, and the darker pressed hash should be able to go in alright, just broken up again. I know OF commented on this some as well not long ago.

Is the cera able to be used with glass that features a direct injection male like a proper oil rig?

Or would a female to female adapter be needed?

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Hey OB-
I think you would need an adapter. You would likely be able to get the little nipple like mp into the male joint, but it would not provide a seal to make it air tight. I would get an EQ cyclone bowl (to save money) rather than an adapter from ALT. The only thing you need to know if the EQ cyclone will work is to determine the size of the joint on your rig. (that sounds dirty somehow... )

I'm pretty sure they are supplying an o-ring which fits over th MP up against the top cap. If you can get the MP in there then the o-ring should provide the seal.
It has been shown I can't remember where though, probably the vid with Noah using the CEO through a WP

After smoking herb for 10yrs+ you start to accumulate all sorts of glass, grommets, stems, at least i have. I have probably 5-10 different o-rings/grommets that I know will fit the Cera for all sorts of options for all my glass.

And shit once those skins come in, those o-rings will be pointless. And we'll have a nice air tight seal that fits probably 99.9% of all glass.

First I apologize if I'm off- topic. I've just spent close to an hour messing with my ridiculous Internet connection trying to get this posted. I'll be blunt:

THE CERA IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!

OF generously paid me a visit (thank you so much dude, I'll PM you when I can - that is if I remember LOL) this afternoon. I hope I have this straight. I started with a EO cart that had a partially spent medicinal load in it. Turned it on, waited something like 30 seconds, saw vapor coming from the mouthpiece, and took a slow light draw for about 20 seconds. I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but seriously-HOLY SHIT!!! Full, dense, satisfying vapor immediately. I also attempted shorter 5-6 second draws varying the intensity across the board. I was able to produce VERY DENSE VAPOR at will!! At far as a learning curve is concerned (EO remember?) I honestly don't feel one exists. I am extremely satisfied for many reasons. In no particular order:
1. Since the CERAEO cart was already partially spent, I know for certain that it can be loaded, left to sit for awhile (although I have no idea why you would want to) and then just picked up and used!! No messing around, nothing leaking. Still tasty as hell as I recall (or not lol).
2. The materials and craftsmanship are top notch. It has a nice solid feel to it. Everything fits tight and snug. Some may feel it a little heavy in weight (this was the SS version) but I didn't find it objectionable at all (The TI version that I have ordered will be even lighter anyway). It was very easy to remove all parts. That is, it's a snap to change batteries, cartridges, MPs (I used CERA's MP, but could have used Gen 1's smooth flow MP etc). No fuss and did I forget to say, SOLID!!
3. Speaking of batteries, I can confirm that the 17670's that almost all Generation 1 users posess - WILL WORK IN THE CERA!!!! OF mentioned that he heard a soft 'rattle' with the 17670 in the 'dead of night', but I couldn't hear much movement AND IT'S FIXABLE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PAPER in the tube. Base on the capacity of the proposed CERA battery (with 30 mins run time) I think OF thought we should see around 20 minutes of performance. Never hurts to have extra batts laying around. I am not an oil head (consuming approx 2 grams/month) so I see even the 17670 powering CERA for the entire day for me. OF mentioned that the TET folks are really having the 'battery envelope' pushed BIG TIME. I think we're going to be quite satisfied regardless of what final battery is recommended for CERA.
Again apologies (I'm almost certain to be off-topic due to connection problems) for the rambling nature of this post. Trying to get it in before this stuff crashes again. Peace.
NN

ok so the cera has been RIGHT on the line for me for the past few weeks, and i just got an extra $300 so i could easily pull the trigger if i want. I feel if it was already out, i would have had no trouble with this decision and would have already bought one. BUT, thats not the case, so anyone care to answer a few questions for a potential(likely) cera customer?

Whens this thing actually gonna come out? i know the dates been changed a lot as well as design changes, so im not sure about when the official release date is, if there still is a definitive date.

whats the whole temperature situation? i have the pax and love the variable temp feature. so thats definitely a drawback for me, but not a decision breaker.

what all do i need to buy? i vaguely remember reading pages back that you still have to buy the mouthpiece, battery, and charger. i know why thermovape is selling this a la carte because people saying they already have batterys and stuff so they don't need extras, but i dont have any batteries or chargers.

Whens this thing actually gonna come out? i know the dates been changed a lot as well as design changes, so im not sure about when the official release date is, if there still is a definitive date.

whats the whole temperature situation? i have the pax and love the variable temp feature. so thats definitely a drawback for me, but not a decision breaker.

what all do i need to buy? i vaguely remember reading pages back that you still have to buy the mouthpiece, battery, and charger. i know why thermovape is selling this a la carte because people saying they already have batterys and stuff so they don't need extras, but i dont have any batteries or chargers.

big thanks to anyone bored enough to actually answer my questions

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We don't know the exact day when they will switch from pre-orders to where a person can order and have it shipped within 24-48 hours. We are hoping the first preorders start going out any day now. The hold up will be getting enough of each part to make hundreds of Cera's. Once that bottleneck is clear and all preorders shipped then all those waiting can order and expect a tracking number shortly after. We'll have to wait and see how long that'll take. Eventually they will get to a point where they have Cera's of each kind ready to go.

The device has a fixed temperature (you can't change it). You can vary your inhale speed based on how dense you want the vapor.

You need to buy the device, charger and battery unless you have a charger and battery. It comes with a mouth piece.

Hopefully the thermal sleeve will be ready soon for us to purchase. I read black and clear will be the first 2 options. It will help create a better seal to glass and keep the heat down for those longer sessions (5+ minutes).

I spoke with TET Tuesday because I'll be moving on the 15th and wanted to sort out shipping addresses. I was told that I should receive my Cera before then, which would mean it would ship tomorrow at the latest. It seems like a prayer, but at the same time it's hard to imagine giving an incorrect shipping date just a few days prior to that date. I guess tomorrow will tell for sure.

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Preorders are still up http://thermovape.force.com/IdaSearch so if you were to order you would be towards the end of the shipping list. What some are doing is just waiting for the preorders to be over so they can pay and have it shipped soon after.

Another thing to note as of right now as far as we know the 2900 batteries and switches that are the click on / click off are not ready. We will be sent 2 batteries instead and a switch that we need to hold to keep the device on. When the batteries and switches are ready if one chooses they can ship them back to TV and TV will ship out the click on / click off switch and the 2900 battery.

wow did thermovape themselves actually say they'd be shipping preorders out any day now? if i order one say tonight or tomorrow, will i still be in the preorders?

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Delivery questions are one of the things that has brought this thread off topic several times (and the main reason pakalolo threatened to close this thread and made the Jibberish thread). Please take further discussion about when you might get this vape to the Wait & Jibberish thread.

The momentary switch will be sent with the preorder unit and when they recieve the switches that latch on and offset will be notified and we can opt to send the momentary switch back for a latching click switch but I think well need both for each specific cart, momentary giving you more control over the EO cart and the oil being vaped since its so powerful and throws out vapor like crazy fast and in huge quantities.
Now since the safety switch witch in my opinion would work like the momentary switch in the sense of control over power and controlling the on/off mechanism of the cera in a easier way, would be very similar and function if the safety function isn't going to be utilized.
The Cera LL cart needs more heat and heat up time so your inhale can draw the heated air through the plant matter that being said in my opinion leaving it on to maintain a constant power and heat when drawing n the mouth piece to produce vapor which I believe is the key here a constant heated flow of air through the plant matter which is controlled by the amount of air your pulling through the unit which each Inhale.
Now the substituted batteries the 2250 instead of the 2900 are from what I've been told really good they don't last as long 35 minutes and the 2900 45 minutes so 10 minutes difference but I guess the power is better for the Cera LL cause it produces hotter heat faster so it in turn heats up everything faster which is good. Ill be keeping these batteries and ordering a couple of 2900 protected Panasonic batteries later on as I get used to the Cera.
I also ordered the illuminated switch but I will probably just keep swap the 2 switches out better then going through the hassle of PayPal ect no money lost its allready paid for so ill just run wit it.
I don't see any issues besides the side itch and what they decide to do with that, I was told 2 ays ago rom TET that they will probably make it a safety travel switch that can be removed so different batteries will work in the Cera I guess the pin interferes with the contact points of others brands of batteries so it needs to be moved. That's why I say make it a safety switch when using the right batteries and a travel safety universal battery adaptor pin so all is well with everyone's desires and wants

The momentary switch will be sent with the preorder unit and when they recieve the switches that latch on and offset will be notified and we can opt to send the momentary switch back for a latching click switch but I think well need both for each specific cart, momentary giving you more control over the EO cart and the oil being vaped since its so powerful and throws out vapor like crazy fast and in huge quantities.
Now since the safety switch witch in my opinion would work like the momentary switch in the sense of control over power and controlling the on/off mechanism of the cera in a easier way, would be very similar and function if the safety function isn't going to be utilized.

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I know the momentary bottom switch is the switch going out for these early shipments but you state as fact that those need to be sent back in for an exchange for the on/off latch. Can you refer me to the post that actually states that? I was under the assumption ( yeah I fucking know) that this was a change that would be remedied by the on/off switch being sent when available, but I have no proof that was stated.