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Re: [Round 1 - Team 5 vs Team 8 Singles 1] Irie vs Niou

Irie would win this. Even if Niou can imitate others, he is not the real thing, he'll never be like the top players. Also, we haven't seen Irie going all out yet, troll Irie was able to walk over Atobe, until he achieved AK, still wasn't going all out. Against Akiba, he might have been serious, but I think we still have to see his true face. Even if Niou becomes Tezuka or Sanada, he won't copy BA, or Tenimuhou, or if he becomes Yuki, I don't think he could yip Irie, and even if he could, Irie's mental would make Yips useless. If he becomes Tezuka, neither ZSServe, Zsdrop shot, Tezuka Zone or Phantom would work, Phantom would injure niou, Irie for sure would break Tezuka Zone, maybe Hyakuren would be useful but as Irie doesn't use strong shots the power won't be doubled, so it would be useless, he could break Saiki. If Niou becomes Sanada, I don't think Irie has problem returning FuurinKaZa, Rai would work but Niou's legs won't hold on. So what he has left, nothing, also his physical abilities limit him.

If Irie goes all out, Niou has no chance of winning. Irie wins the match 7-5 or if he goes all out 6-1.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 5 vs Team 8 Singles 1] Irie vs Niou

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

As cool as Niou is, the fact that Irie walked all over Atobe and toyed around with him even after he got AK, it's just too much.
Irie probably won't lose this.

Bad argument. Just by looking at how the matches were presented, while it's true that Irie was > Atobe during the team shuffle (although it's not as clear cut for the end because of the injury), Akiba walked over that Irie. Niou (and Atobe) went roughly even with the G10 in individual abilities, which should be enough to destroy Akiba just as badly as the serious Irie did. So while it's possible that Irie's stats are higher, it's in no way confirmed.

As for the match itself, Niou has access to a wide variety of abilities and stat combinations, so things like Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami and Bible or Myougi should definitely be considered here, and we've seen that he's capable of changing during the point.

@Letal
Why would ZSS and Saiki be useless against Irie. You're saying that they are, but you're not explaining why that should be the case. Furthermore, Niou used Phantom for at least 49 points against Ochi and Mouri, a clean victory in a one set match only requires 24 points though. Could make the same argument for Rai assuming roughly equal amount of endurance for both his arms and legs.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 5 vs Team 8 Singles 1] Irie vs Niou

Originally Posted by Kaoz

@Letal
Why would ZSS and Saiki be useless against Irie. You're saying that they are, but you're not explaining why that should be the case. Furthermore, Niou used Phantom for at least 49 points against Ochi and Mouri, a clean victory in a one set match only requires 24 points though. Could make the same argument for Rai assuming roughly equal amount of endurance for both his arms and legs.

Mouri returned ZSS in his second try. Irie would do it first try probably if he goes all out. Tezuka used Phantom against Sanada and his elbow was injured after 5 or 4 games (I don't remember exactly), so Niou could be injured after some games and be unable to play. Saiki because I think you don't know what Irie's going to do, I mean, even how he's playing, for me it's just unpredictable, and I feel he could break it somehow, just look at his mental, speed and technique. I'm sure he would break Saiki, if he goes all out and Niou can't reach balls, then Saiki won't work.

Rai, the same. Niou's legs won't work after he uses it for some games, then he won't be able to continue the match. Is just that Irie would completely overwhelm Niou, as much as I like Niou, if Irie decided to go all out. Niou won't win this.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 5 vs Team 8 Singles 1] Irie vs Niou

Originally Posted by Kaoz

Bad argument. Just by looking at how the matches were presented, while it's true that Irie was > Atobe during the team shuffle (although it's not as clear cut for the end because of the injury), Akiba walked over that Irie. Niou (and Atobe) went roughly even with the G10 in individual abilities, which should be enough to destroy Akiba just as badly as the serious Irie did. So while it's possible that Irie's stats are higher, it's in no way confirmed.

As for the match itself, Niou has access to a wide variety of abilities and stat combinations, so things like Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami and Bible or Myougi should definitely be considered here, and we've seen that he's capable of changing during the point.

Thing is, its not a bad argument since we have no idea if it was the same Irie that Akiba walked over. Irie the Pierrot is an actor.
Irie got serious only because his acting got dissed. Atobe never dissed Irie's acting.

Yeah, Akiba walked over an Irie, but we don't know and cannot confirm what sort of Irie it was that Akiba walked all over.
Since Irie understands his opponents perfectly so he probably chooses what sort of level he plays at.

Yeah Niou and Atobe are same level, and yeah I expect Atobe and Niou to ass-kick Akiba but so what lol?
Irie VS Atobe, showed Irie just taking Atobe for a fool which I thought no character would be able to do.

Troll!Irie had beast stats in Speed and Mental I think. The Irie we saw when Akiba dissed his acting left Akiba on the floor and we don't even know if he was conscious haha. Don't know if Niou and Atobe could do that.

I don't like to go entirely by stats, but stat wise Irie should win.
Also if Niou does not know the real Irie, what good is SKnK?
Irie can hit weak shots to counter HJnK since his technique that he showed against Atobe was off the charts.
If Mouri managed to pull off returning ZSS, and Mouri is someone who relies on technique just like Irie, surely Irie should pull off something of the sort.

Becoming Sanada would be useful I guess, I don't know if Irie can return Rai. But at the same time Niou I doubt is as strong as Sanada, and may not be able to handle the toll for a whole 6 games.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 5 vs Team 8 Singles 1] Irie vs Niou

Niou can only become somebody he has seen play. Regarding Shiraishi, its likely he saw Shiraishi play during an earlier round before we saw him in the Semifinals.
Niou can become any Schooler he has seen play to a certain extent.
This won't be an ass-kicking of Niou. Niou will put up resistance.

Saying ''why can't he become Oni or Tokugawa?'' doesn't mean a thing.
Nobody anywhere right now can prove Irie is weaker than Oni or Tokugawa.
That Top 20 2nd Stringer list couldn't have been an accurate portrayal of abilities.

http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/50/10
The list here has Nakagauchi in 8th, Yamato in 10th, Miyako in 12th, Takei in 19th and Yukimura in 20th.
Just the fact the list has one MSer means it can't be much to go by.
Also, we have no idea if the Top 20 even played one another.

Nakagauchi > Yamato based on their displays in the Team Shuffle just seems far-fetched and I can't honestly see it.
Secondly, if Irie never had a match with either Oni or Tokugawa, how can it be proven that one is stronger than the other?
Especially if Irie has been messing around this whole time.

Irie > Niou and we can't even be sure if becoming Tokugawa can save him.