Post subject: Where are we on this transition? Help? Posted: 26.07.2013, 17:52

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I need help to understand why so much of my system seems to need to be removed with apt-get -f dist-upgrade.
I have been holding off doing the upgrade as suggested, just doing the apt-get update and apt-get -s dist-upgrade checks every couple of days. However the package removal list does not seem to reduce very much over the past week.
So, what to do?
The dist-upgrade to the latest aptosid release went very smoothly when the release became available but this seems a show stopping tangle!

Thank you.
Actually, now that I look at that repo list I wonder just exactly what those references to ubuntu are doing in there, as I´ve no recollection of adding them. The opera.com, and **multimedia**, yes, I understand. Perhaps I need to comment out those ubuntu repos. and see what things look like?
Similarly, perhaps it makes sense to temporarily comment out the **multimedia** repo just to get the system upgraded?
????

First off:: mixing ubuntu with debian and or aptosid is a NO NO NO! Comment out ALL and anything to do with ubuntu

Secondly:: comment out all that opera stuff

Thirdly:; comment out all that multimedia stuff

Fourthly the command for a d-u should not need -f

apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade -d ( in a terminal) to see what is going to happen before going to init 3 should be sufficient in 99% of cases

Well, even commenting out the above mentioned repos, doing apt-get clean, apt-get update, finally apt-get -s dist-upgrade |less; still very little change in the packages to be removed.
At this point I guess I may have to just accept a crippled kde for awhile just to get the rest of the system updated.
For the moment I´ll just do the apt-get -d dist-upgrade to get the packages downloaded to the machine.
Or am I missing something obvious?
Thank you.

redsid

Post subject:Posted: 28.07.2013, 17:39

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Do everything bluewater has noted.

Many times when you download non-Debian software, the update site is added to your sources list.

You have made a fundamental error with forcing incompatible versions of packages.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."

Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.

someoneanywhere

Post subject:Posted: 29.07.2013, 14:50

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bluewater wrote:

someoneanywhere:;

As redsid pointed out, you have mixed up ubuntu with debian.

Debian based distributions' which repackage Debians' packages for their own repositories, like ubuntu and others, often use different file locations for various applications which differ from Debian and could cause system instability and some packages won't install due to unresolvable dependencies from different package naming schemes or odd version numbers. For instance a different version of glibc could cause the application to not even run.

aptosid does not repackage debian packages except in the case of a hotfix, which is extremely rare, and if and when we do invoke a hotfix it adheres strictly to debian policies to allow the package to be upgradable back to debian once it it fixed in debian.

What you do from here on in is your choice. To quote redsid "Let it all go and then you can practice putting kde back......Or you can just re-install aptosid."

Yeah, except someone (just before my postings) in these postings did a fresh install then a dist-upgrade only to have an unusable mess, so I´m thinking before that becomes a viable option I want to backup the various user accounts ~.kde stuff and perhaps repack the .debs that are currently installed and running to a safe place. ??
As I said I have no idea where the ubuntu repo. came from, perhaps one of the other users felt they needed something for their photography work.
Is there a way to find out what packages came from which repo? Then again, ¨just let it go¨ and see if one or the other of the users yells!!! Fortunately there are only 3 users. Opera is certainly NOT the problem.

I had this same issue with sidux once but cannot remember exactly how I found the culprit package(s). There were only 3 or 4 that stopped the whole show... but whoa boy they certainly brought the parade to a halt!!! . Likely the same here, just a few miscreants log jambing the show.
Looking at the list being upgraded does pull back in quite a bit of the removed kde.
AND, yes, I´ll do a clean install on another hd. just to see what happens.
Thank you.

On the other hand, this may be as good a time as another to clear out a whole bunch of packages and deps. that are cluttering hard drive space from long ago forgotten uses!
Also it is perhaps time the other users provide their own computers!!!! So, all in all perhaps the excuse I need streamline the installation which was my first love of sidux now even better heeled in aptosid; elegance, power, etc...

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someoneanywhere

Post subject:Posted: 29.07.2013, 14:54

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bfree wrote:

Or perhaps "just" try and remove all the non debian or aptosid stuff and then see if a d-u will go as expected.

This is what I would like to do. If I can find which ones.
Thank you.

vinur

Post subject:Posted: 05.08.2013, 18:30

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Mixing repositories from somewhat incompatible distros is dangerous to your system.
I have a few "specialty" packages and they live well in my system, however, I check all of the dependency issues to make sure that all of them do not step on others in a way that causes a conflict or that they will work with the same lib.
Its something of an "art" which is saying it is risky~to non functional.
The best one can see, if incompatible, is that the foreign application just won't run... all of the way to system lockups or worse if you have made an error in judgment. You are on your own.
It is my belief that Ubuntu is, as a "distro of Linux", is headed towards being almost a proprietary autonomous system in time.
It may be almost compatible in some ways at this time... but mixing apps designed for it with aptosid is pushing your luck.

Having mixed Ubuntu and aptosid repositories is a big NO NO and is most assuredly a good way to break your system.

I need GoogleEarth ver 7.0 and a few others to work. And made the necessary modifications to do so... but all of them were specific to the repositories from acceptable sources well known to work with aptosid.
I D-U quite a bit and have had no problems with the upgrading to KDE 4.10.5... but one must pay attention to the forum discussions and pay close attention to the warnings.
As they say... if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.

redsid

Post subject:Posted: 06.08.2013, 02:07

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I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case.................................

someoneanywhere

Post subject:Posted: 06.08.2013, 20:34

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vinur wrote:

aptosid is the best distro I have ever used... It does it all and it is possible to get many external applications to work, but only if one is meticulous in how that is done.

I certainly could not agree more!
I too usually D-U often, unless there are big warnings here or other such in-coming changes reported here.
As to the ¨mixed¨ nature of this system I still have not found the culprit packages.
My hope is that one may find them through uncommenting the previously noted ubuntu repo., do an apt-get update, then nose around with synaptic to see which packages were installed from which repo. Make note of them, then exit synaptic, as root issue init 3 and do the usual apt-get purge .somepackage.
After that comment out the ubuntu repo., and see what apt-get -s dist-upgrade would want to do. Of course one could just take the sloppy way out by doing apt-get upgrade, which would be a quick sort of work around, as nothing gets removed. But this is certain to cause huge dist-upgrade issues later.
Oh well as you quote, the pieces are all mine!!! And no one said it was always easy!.
Thank you.

someoneanywhere

Post subject:Posted: 06.08.2013, 20:45

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redsid wrote:

I just noticed you are in the US, someoneanywhere.

For shame, whining that you can't do something.

Where would the greatest spying country ever known be if they whined, "I can't do it".

Let-r-rip son!

Disclaimer: I have two identical systems on this computer just in case.................................

OUCH!!!!
That is an honor I´d gladly forego!
I´m actually not whining, just asking guidance... too many LIBERAL whiners in the World already; my ears need a rest!
I do honestly think your identical installation method is the best scheme, apart from my being much more vigiant in checking what the other users are deciding they ¨must have¨ on the machine to do their work. Also, I see a clear need to stop giving them root pwd. information.
So, first to unscrew this system, change root pwd., then clone it and keep one installation about 2 weeks behind the other.