I like my Wii U, but Reggie is such a used car salesman, PR man and injury lawyer all rolled into one. If he was homeless he'd tell you he needs $20 to get home to his 5-year-old daughter's funeral (note: I work for a charitable org and this happens from drug users all the time).

The Wii U is comparable on its multiplatform titles, which is a good thing, but it has not proven itself to be "dramatically better". Even more BS, Reggie said in an E3 interview with Geoff Keighley that Wii U would have a trophy/achievement system. When asked by Keighley about it he said "We'll have all that".

Like I said, I like my Wii U and the potential of Zelda, Metroid and other Nintendo exclusives on it, but I do not like being lied to. It's not about graphics, it's about telling the truth and ethical behavior by a company. Nintendo needs better, more likable PR people here in the US. I know I will get hammered by some people, but Reggie has lied and skirted every question thrown at him unless the answer was "praise Nintendo".

Yeah even videos being put up give the microsoft, and sony fan boys butt hurt because they know that he is telling the truth COD, and AC3 do look better maybe not dramatically better but better he is a business man but ask the fans even ones who own multiple systems say the same just because you are 2 biased to see that not his problem.

And every time someone puts up a video showing how much better the wii u version looks crying, wining galore happens if it was not true then why you all so upset and mocking reg for? I would just blow it off. LOL LOL LOL To that one

Not only is the Wii U version of Black Ops 2 not as good as the 360 version, but it isn't as good as the PS3 version.

Everyone knows the PS3 version of every Call of Duty game is a bad port. Nintendo fanboys have called this and just about every other game that has been ported a bad port, but let me ask you fanboys something. If the PS3 and the Wii U versions of Black Ops 2 are bad ports, and the PS3 version runs considerably better, doesn't that make what all the devs saying how weak the Wii U is seem true?

Can't really argue with that. It's not like the 360 and PS3 have equal versions and the Wii U was the only bad port. It and the PS3 are bad ports but the Wii U version is much worse.

When a 2012 console MAY have the potential to look SLIGHTLY better than a 2005 and 2006 console, there's a problem.

We're not asking for ultra 4K HD, 64xQ MSAA'd games with DirectX 13, supersampling and ray tracing. But how can games like Arkham City, released over a year ago (and as such, with plenty of time for optimization for the WiiU console) look better on a 7 year old console? Framerate drops, textures failing to load, no improved resolution, no improved textures, no DX11-like tessalation, no Nvidia-like PhysX... All that's "improved" (lol) are a couple of armored (read: shiny) parts on Batman and Catwoman.

Of course, this criticism applies to most WiiU games, this just being an example. ZombieU looks worse than most modern FPS from a technical stand point and NintendoLand hardly impresses with... ...well, anything. If the system needs more time to mature, well, that's a problem, seeing as how the competition is litteraly just around the corner. And if said competition makes the console look ancient (and as such, the flow of 3rd party games [ie: ports] stops), there will be a sever problem for the users. After all, how many years are you willing to wait (again) for a Zelda game? The Wii didn't get it until it's last year. You willing to wait that long with your WiiU?

Well it's a fact that with the GPGPU being able to take a massive strain from the CPU means that when developers get use to the new architecture of the console they'll be able to make games look and feel a hell of a lot better.

I get that Deku-Johnny. The problem I'm trying to explain is that, if next gen REALLY improved graphically, it'll simply not be viable to port a game to an inferior console.

The need for devs to give the controller screen some use is already something slightly off-putting from a developlment stand point. If you also need to make a 2nd separate version of the game for it to run on the WiiU, after a certain point, it won't pay off. (Think of the Madden games when they were still released for PS2. At the time, PS3 adoption was at an all time low and the games would sell, thus, they kept making them. The second that slim ps3 released [and as such, the mass market adopted the ps3 console], ps2 ports of games stopped) The only person who is affected by this is, you, the consumer.

Yes, no doubt about it, once devs get used to the WiiU archtechture, there WILL be great games. Problem is, as I previously mentioned, time. Most devs (save for 1st party, obviously) will simply not stick around that long and develop games for a console with specific needs. It happened to the Wii (which is why it hardly received 3rd party love) and will (well, could) happen to the WiiU.

Games are developed on PC's. As such, a PC port is hardly ever a problem. From there, some optimization and work is required, but the next step is the ps3 and 360, whose architechture they are familiar with. (look at what happened when the devs WEREN'T familiar with the PS3's CELL. No games, crap ports, dead console [at the time]. Cue PS3 HAS NO GAMES jokes). The PS4 won't go the same route as the PS3's mistakes, they WILL make it easy to develop for. Same goes for 720. But the WiiU? The 2nd screen alone is already a development and bug testing nightmare if you use it for anything more than menus or some basic function, at which point it's nothing more than a gimick.

Accelerometer, touch screen, motion controls, etc. All these things have to be developed and tested, there's no PORT TO Wii/WiiU button. There's a reason why there's no 3rd party games on Wii, why PS Move is dead and why Kinect games all suck. The resources needed to make these things work severly outbalance the payoff. And, I don't know about you, I'd rather have that attention, manpower and time put into polishing the games, bug testing and optimization than into some gimick a company is paying extra for.

It could also look a lot better on the PS3 but never will. The developer is too lazy or being paid to make the PS3 version look the same as the 360 version. Actually, I think they're paid to make the 360 version better.

@Giru017 None of the next gen consoles won't be able to run Nvidia Physx, they won't be a huge improvement over the Wii U, only fanboys are saying that. They will be better, yes, but unless sony's and microsoft's consoles get released in 2014 or have a 500+$ price tag, you won't see an improvement as big as you think.

But I'm certain the new consoles will have at least 1080p and MAYBE some DX11 effects like tesselation. But if you use an effect like HBAO it will make consoles crawl.

@BrianC6234 Not really, they could improve the framerate though, but I don't actually think they test it out since both consoles got framerate problems.

Reggie is a nintendo fanboy. no surprise. Lets see how ninty fanboys will use their loyalty to spin this one.

I wish he said "dramatically better than the highest $200 - $4000 pc" Would have been funny.

@Deku-Johnny "Well it's a fact that with the GPGPU being able to take a massive strain from the CPU means that when developers get use to the new architecture of the console they'll be able to make games look and feel a hell of a lot better."

Also that will take away for the gpu doing it main purpose.. graphics..

Reggie works for nintendo he'is not a fanboy it's his job. Though saying that 3rd party games look drastically better on wii U is a stretch. All the 3rd party look pretty much the same some slightly worse. The wii u version of Black OPs 2 even had worse frame rate than the ps3 version.

I completelly agree about the route he should had took if he has an agenda to follow (it's his job) but don't want to lie. That said, I can see why Ninty would order him to specifically taunt graphics...

The moment the competition reached some fighting chance price and motion controls were no longer on trending topics between soccer moms, Wii was doomed, anyone who would walk into a store and no longer be impressed by the Wiimote would just look at what was being shown at the screen... Right next to either a PS3 or 360... It didn't looked good for 'em and hence Wii simply took a nose dive in sales in the last years.

Right now they must be trying to make the costumer aware that their new games will look good, but indeed, he should had gone with "just as good and it will improve in the future" instead of out right lie with "dramatically better".

He could have just said that the game looks great on the Wii U. Claiming that it looks "dramatically better" is an outright lie and false advertising. There's no excuse or justification for that. Not only do they NOT look better, many of them perform MUCH worse. I know he's trying to sell the console, that's his job, but there are right ways to do that and wrong ways. This was one of the wrong ways. Lying to your customers and potential customers is never a good way to gain their trust and confidence.

Sony doesn't lie or overhype their consoles. The PS3 is proof of that. Sony's games all look great. Third party developers are the problem. Nintendo now has that problem. They want all games to be the same no matter how much more powerful one console is over another.

This is a very odd fib. Baring in mind that the only people that are going to be hoodwinked by such a move are those who know nothing about consoles, and also taking into consideration that anyone who is 'interested' in graphics will be too savvy to buy this prevarication, just who exactly is Reggie trying to fool here? The tech heads are going to react exactly the same as 90% of the people in this thread and the casuals are simply not going to care... I have to say that this does sound a tad desperate. This is about promoting COD for the Wiiu, not about being honest. Something tells me 3rd party devs are getting cold feet and Nintendo are worried.

does it matter if the statement is true or false? in less then 12 months the wii u will be competing against a whole new generation of consoles by Microsoft and Sony. then lets see Reggie make that claim. why is he even comparing the wii u to 7 year old consoles?

I had to cut it off early because...I was enraged by his lies. The fact that he said CoD was dramatically superior to current gen consoles is a big fat lie. Then he said Netflix on the Wii was also the best. Are you kidding me? I think MS has something say when it comes to online just as Sony has something to say when it comes to graphics. Seriously, Nintendo has now caught up to current gen when Sony and MS are going next gen. The development kits have already been released to developers for next gen and seeing what MGS:GS and Last of Us look like now, I am sure the Wii-U can't compare. I would love to see if Wii-U could handle God of War

WOW, I like Reggie, and LOVE Nintendo, but this was just false. In fact BOPS3 looks better on Wii U than PS3, but not quite as good as 360. Assassins creed 360 is sharper than Wii U. To me the Wii U Assassins looks washed out compared to 360. It still looks good, but I am just saying. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie.

I am fair. Nintendo is my choice for a console, but plain and simple most of these ports DO NOT look better on Wii U. Its a plain and simple fact. All you have to do is view the Video comparison of all three and you will see that I am right. Frankly I don't care that they don't look better. I would rather have the Gamepad to play on. I am NOT an Xbox fan LOL that was the funniest part of your comment. I play PS3 and Wii/Wii U. I frankly think xbox fans are PC gamer wannabes.

wouldnt say a lot but it does look a bit better and different with the new future setting but still the usual COD problems will obviously consist. I'm going to most likely get it for christmas with far cry 3 seeing as the only people that love playing it in my family are the ones who know absoulutly nothing about gameing ( sad thing is that my older brother the one who first got hooked on it immediatly adapted to the camping tactics most players use in the game in a matter of minutes)

lmao @ Nintendo trying to play the graphic game! There are stupid people who will believe this lie. The fact is wii U came out in 2012 and 360 came out and 2005 and xbox version looks better. It is was it is. Just like madden on wii U not being able to run the all the features as the ps360. If you dont invest in stronger tech you can talk about having strong tech, DAMN!

Id say the WiiU version looks better, but just very slightly. No tearing, better draw distance and/or LOD at a distance, better lighting.

360 have a solid 60 fps through out and WiiU doesnt though.

It doesnt really matter whoever youd pick as the winner though, because its a damn shame that they are so incredibly similar when they shouldnt have been comparable at all. So Reggies statement is ccompletely false and in some cases backwards. Ninja gaiden 3 on WiiU clearly looks worse and Im sure anyone can tell instantly. 2005 - 2012... duh welcome to 7th gen Nintendo.

I think Wii U still has a good place in the industry, even if it ends up being lest powerful than the PS4 and 720. But, Reggie should not have gone here. He could have just said that the Wii U can now run more core games because it can handle HD graphic and has the RAM to support larger games. If your facts are wrong, what ever else you have to say will take a big hit.

Reggie with the spin. Can't help but like that guy, he is a good face man for Nintendo of America. Iwata and Miyamoto are great face men for Nintendo of Japan. Sony and Microsoft need to learn from this and get good personalities to represent their companies, people that can be taken seriously.

Jack Trenton is okay for Sony, but him and Ken Kutaragi don't really compare to Reggie, Iwata, and Miyamoto. Microsoft really don't have anyone now. Strong personalities are particularly needed to connect to the mass market and the hardcore gamer.

What are you talking about Jack Trenton is great, he's a likable guy, good speaker in interviews or at press conferences like E3 and dosent have to BS to sell the PS3. I'm not saying he's perfect but he's a good guy for what he does.

MS though....yeah they need some good speakers to represent their company I can't hardly remember any of them and most of them bore me at E3.

It's not surprising any more to see company's out and out lie to make themselves look better. EvilDead360 just reminded me of the fiasco last year at CES where Microsoft lied prior to their financial report, and then their financial report proved they lied. They splashed a big "over 66 million 360 users!" then they clarified after it was over 66 million 360's sold, and when the financials were revealed a few weeks afterwards they were busted as they had not actually even shipped 66 million units to retail. Close, but pants on fire. It would have been simple to just tell the truth and claim "over 65 million sold!" but hey - what's a rounding error between friends? And then there was the "Best 360 year EVAR!" claims afterwards when they stuffed the channels during the holiday season and the 3 months after that shipments shockingly dropped 50% year over year. Yeah, no channel stuffing going on there. When it was all said and done, they got to boast about the best 360 calendar year ever, when the fiscal year actually showed 360 sales dropped from the previous year. Although, there they weren't actually lying, they were just doing their PR job by framing the numbers in the best light possible, like how they go on about US numbers ever single month but don't say boo about ww numbers.

And who could forget when Microsoft stuck to their lie for well over a year that hardware failure rates were well within industry standards before having to admit their problem. It was later revealed by insiders that they new there were huge hardware issues coming off the assembly line.

But hey. They all do it. Nintendo is off base this time, next time it'll be MS claiming false European numbers, the time after that it'll be Sony lying about why there's no rumble in their controllers.

Darkride...why is everyone of your comments a knock on ms? Sony and Ms are both very good at what they do and they both have issues but your comments are off point and trolling and there always about ms. Heck you have a website just to troll ms. I guess to each is own but I just wonder why you waist your time and energy over such imature and petty stuff? On topic I dont believe that Reggie even beleives this. You cant look to good when your supposed next gen systen launch games cant keep up with the older twins. Its been shown on black ops2 that 360 and ps3 have the more stable version and technically with that type of game frame rates are extremeley important.

Are you seriously asking "why is everyone of your comments a knock on ms?" ? I mean of all the people on this site YOU are the one who asks something like that..? WOW! You do have the nerve it seems. My gosh...!

What is it now? MS shouldn't be held accountable for their actions? Isn't this the way things have been going on for years? I really don't know why you would need to start defending MS from "rabid fanbois" all of a sudden. You are in the majority you know?

You can check yourself if Darkride is lying or something. All the info is out there for you to study but no....MS can do no wrong it appears.... ever since 2005 atleast.

I mean I loved and still love my xbox but NOTHING can make me blind to the BS that hit the fan this gen. I'll steer clear from x360 for atleast a decade. I might consider a x720 somewhere down the line if MS behaves themselves. My BS-meter went apesh*t in 2005-2009 and it takes lots of time to repair it.

Nothing comes even close. This must be the first time EVER I feel that a Nintendo rep is full of it. If they keep it up im going to have to avoid them for a decade as well. I'm pretty sensitive like that.

I don't know why he felt he had to lie or maybe he actually believes what he said, who knows? He could have told the truth and gone into more detail. The Wii U version of Black Ops 2 is a slight improvement on the other versions, it is capable of much more but as third party developers haven't had the time as of yet to utilize everything the console is capable of. Something along the lines of that, then at least he would be stating facts.

Dude, Is it so important that the wii U has to be a powerhouse. They shooted themself in the foot and all of the sudden all people like you defend them. They should have got a better CPU in the Wii U. On the other hand who cares? I bought the wii U for the first party :) And tbh developers said the wii U was easy to develop ^^

COD games haven't changed graphics engines since World at War (as far as Treyarch and Moneyvision go) but if you compare a game like Ps3s Killzone 2, it still beats out every call of duty out on the market in terms of graphic quality.

If you doubt this you are a brainwashed zombie, the graphic fidelity of exclusives is astounding regardless of what console you play.

Agreed. Some people say exclusives don't matter, but they do. Exclusivbes generally push the boundaries of what a console can do, using an angine that is taking advantage of every little thing the console has to offer.

In saying that, we must first wait for an exclusive game on the Wii U to properly judge its graphics.

But, as Reggie 'I'm about taking names' Fils-Aime (it means 'favourite son' in French) knows exclusive games made by Nintendo won't look dramatically better- unless you happen to regard the Nintendo kind of art style as inherently superior (which it can be as per The Wind Waker). But in generally it tended to be because of its third parties in any cases like Rare, Silicon Knights and Retro Studios - and only one of them is left with Nintendo.

So I don't expect anything on the WiiU to rival the Uncharted games for mixing great graphics with great story.

Side by side comparison huh, so far none of them look better. Oh and if it's not on par....why not release the full specs Reggie??? Besides those of us who understand hardware have already deduced that it is in-fact on par.