May 11th, Day Three, Voir Dire Continued

Wikipedia defines Voir dire (English pronunciation: /ˈvwɑr ˈdɪər/) is a phrase in law which comes from the Anglo-Norman language. In origin it refers to an oath to tell the truth (Latin verum dicere), i.e., to say what is true, what is objectively accurate or subjectively honest in content, or both. It now generally refers to the process by which prospective jurors are chosen for trial. Snipped from a recent WFTV news report:

49 Potential Jurors Dismissed On Day 2 Of Casey Trial

“Patricia Young of St. Petersburg is the woman who was shoved by George Anthony in front of his house. She told WFTV she wanted to press charges against him, but Young later changed her mind.”

Ironically Patricia Young happened to have jury duty yesterday. Patricia Young told the truth when she openly admitted that she thinks Casey Anthony is guilty which I commend her honesty. Bravo Patricia Young!! Hopefully all potential jurors will follow in her footsteps. She should be on posters in every jury waiting room through out America.

Every potential juror in Pinellas County should revel in their beliefs. This is the time to speak your mind. Scream to the high heavens for the World to know…Casey Anthony is guilty.

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Hi Omar,
I hope you don’t mind that I c&p-ed your comment from the other thread. Very interesting..thank you.

Omar
May 11, 2011 at 1:15 pm edit
Hi Thinking…..
I snipped this from an article I was reading about jury selection. I don’t have any statistics about stealth jurors, but the articles I’m reading (this and some others) tend to support the fact that a stealth juror would not be impartial. By the way…the snipped section I’ve included below isn’t about stealth jurors….but this article does mention them. I just thought this was an interesting piece:

“Judges are not psychologists,” Patterson notes. “They do not understand the depth to which biases or
pre-existing attitudes influence jurors’ ability to be fair and impartial.” Consistent research over the years
has shown that biases persist despite efforts to ignore them. Less evidence is needed to support a
conclusion you’re already leaning toward. And opposing evidence can even be spun in your head to go
the other direction. Studies have also shown that jurors are terrible at discounting pretrial publicity and
inadmissible evidence, despite admonition from judges. (Go ahead and try not to think of an elephant.)

I’m not sure, Hazaka….I know that they took the jury pool back to the holding room, and Casey was looking ill and DS was talking to her and they were looking at her hands. 2 deputies were there and they escourted Casey out….they were assisting her in walking. I wish we had sound!!

I missed Casey leaving the courtroom, but I did catch her holding the napkin over her mouth, it looked like she was going to be sick. She is under an unimaginable burden. To have lost your child and then be blamed for it, locked up in solitary for almost 3 years and then have to fight for your life. Horrible.
You know, I was watching one of the ‘jailhouse videos’ again and something struck me….there are a few minutes when CA and GA are trying to get info from Casey about Caylee’s whereabouts and Casey admits she has no idea where she is, and then says “Believe me, I wish this never would have happened”. Which signifies, to me at least, that something did indeed happen. What? I don’t know, but there was surely some kind of bizarre event that took place. JMO

I think someone said something earlier about these people who are chomping at the bit to be on this jury being murders…..or something to that effect. It’s so true. These people who are itching to be on the jury make me sick. They claim to want justice for Caylee….but they’re nothing more than a blood thirsty lynch mob who have a desire to commit a legal murder. No doubt, some of these same blood thirsty people would be the first to kill someone they didn’t like in an alley, in their back yard, in the parking lot, on the highway…anywhere they thought they could do the deed without being caught.

I am not opposed to the death penalty per se. What I AM opposed to is the inequity in its application. I am also opposed to it being used in all but the MOST EXTREME cases….and then, only if the physical evidence solidly proves the crime. What disgusts me are people who take it lightly or act like it somehow brings “justice”. An eye for an eye is an Old Testament concept…..in fact, many would argue that it predates Old Testament law. But as all true “christian” folks (and I use that term very loosely because I seriously doubt that many folks understand what being a true christian actually entails) who live by the New Testament belief in Grace through Jesus know…..Jesus Christ did not teach an eye for an eye. He taught turning the other cheek. He taught forgiveness 70 times 7 for the same offense. He taught compassion and love. He said, “He who is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.” Yes…he did teach obedience to those in authority. He did teach us to obey the law as long as it isn’t in direct opposition to God’s law. But he taught that if you hate someone in your heart, you’re already guilty of murder in God’s eyes.

I’m not saying that I believe we should just let murderers or rapists or criminals go free. I believe they should have to pay for their crimes……even Jesus told us to obey the laws of the land. What I AM saying is that these people who want so badly to be on this jury because they have an agenda and have already determined that Casey is guilty need some serious mental help. They were probably the ones ranting and raving over the video of the seminar that Andrea Lyon gave to law school students in which she called jurors murders. But….the thing is, Andrea was apparently correct….at least in many cases.

I feel like the burden of determing one’s guilt or innocense should be taken with much gravity. There really should never be a rush to judgement when determining life and death matters of another individual. And I think that every person who sits on a death penalty jury should be made to lie on the gurney, arms strapped down, with last rites and final judgement read so as to get a feel for what the sentenced person will feel. It’s a grave matter. It’s not a priviledge to sentence someone to death….at least it shouldn’t be…..and MOST ESPECIALLY if you were not directly affected by the crime.

Is there a time for the death penalty?? I believe there may be….for mass murderers, terrorists, or those who will never be deterred any other way than to be put to death. And the application of this penalty needs to be made uniform in all 50 states….not at the discretion of each judicial district’s state’s attorney.

Casey Anthony should never be facing the death penalty. And every single person who is anxious to be on the jury is just as much a murder as they alledge that Casey is. In fact….since I firmly believe that Casey did not murder her daughter, I’m gonna step out and say that these blood hungry losers deserve what they so anxiously want to dish out far more than does Casey Anthony.

I don’t think Casey was sick. She looked like one of my grand kids when their apple cart is upset or on time-out. What ever happened between her and Baez extended to Mason because she was moved again. She sat between Finnell and Sims. She looked like she was out of her comfort zone more than she was ill. I noticed that she can’t talk or write notes near as much because Finnell does not react like Baez or Mason.

I was happy about the idiot getting fined today. The woman yesterday that couldn’t keep her mouth shut should have been fined more because it cost the court over 40 possible jurors.

I read your opinion in it,s intirety, you do bring up some valid point, sbut i noticed you did not mention anything about Casey marie Anthony testimonies, her lies, her behavior, and lack of searching for that precious little girl while she was out of jail, she paraded around in a t-shirt but never took part. And because of that behavior i feel is what made everyone so angry, and why the media ran rampid. Only Casey knows is right, and she will never tell her story or the truth, and until then the results are what they are, Thank You, nice try…..

Omar, It was reported that Baez and Casey had words in the court room. I won’t repeat what I read because I don’t know how factual it is. I do know because of that Mason had the microphones turned off. Yesterday was extremely hard to hear because of that. The prosecution even turned theirs off because of Mason complaining. The complaints about microphones has been an ongoing thing even early on in the court. All the trials I have ever seen did not allow the microphones to be turned off indefinitely. The court provides an on/off switch for when the attorneys want to talk to their client or another attorney but Mason made it clear early on he didn’t like that.

Redfish, you are mistaken in your judgment. She had an ankle monitor and wasn’t allowed to leave the house except to go to her attorney’s office. She likely had to stay within feet (I think it is 25′) of the phone and had to call to report when she left for the Baez’ office and they likely checked after the alloted time to make sure she was where she was supposed to be. She petitioned the court for permission to look for Caylee with her attorney, but was denied that right.

D, I put the live feed into full screen mode and she did look sick. Her eyes were all glassy and dark above and below. I think she should have her thyroid checked. But she may be missing some vital nutrients for her nervous system too. When ever I’ve read anything about the food given in the jail I’ve thought that this, along with the lack of sunlight and fresh air are inviting poor health, both mental and physical.

With the way jury selection is going, my hope is wearing thin that they will get a fair and balanced jury, especially this week. Perry should never have looked in their own back yard for a fair jury. I think the Palm Beach area would have been much better. I’m surprised Baez was more interested than Perry in having the darker minority represented too. Perry acted like he was trying to slap Baez in the face by offering him homeless people from the shelter. Baez thew it right back at him by accepting. They may be the best jurors yet, as long as they can understand the scientific testimony. They need good food and a comfortable home, most likely haven’t read anything on the internet and haven’t been bombarded with biased news.

Completely mirrors my thoughts yet put into words that I couldn’t find. Thank you very much.
There are cases where the death penalty Absolutely beyond a doubt are proven and deserved. John Gacy, Ted Bundy are just to name a few. There’s 13yo boy Christian Choate of Indiana?”who was recently found in a shallow grave. His father and step-mom kept him in a cage and beat him everyday for years so says his sister who witnessed it and in fear of her life kept her mouth shut when the poor boy died. In an autopsy his body was found to have suffered blunt trauma. Now there’s a case of 1st degree murder w/DP that I won’t lose any sleep over but the sad thing is he’ll more than likely get LWOP. Seen this too many times before…

In the Anthony case, Judge Eaton confirmed what I now feel strongly is fact. The media frenzy began when the SAO’s deemed this was a death penalty case. This is a DP case not because of facts or confession. It’s the penalty for LYING to LE. They wanted this case handed to them on a silver platter. She tried to talk to them but they were more interested in proving she lied about her job and hoped she’d break down and confess. When that didn’t happen, they were more interested in punishing her than finding the evidence to convict her and the death penalty is the result of their animosity. IMO
Thanks to them this case was tried in the media making it now almost impossible to fairly try her by jury. LOL LOL LOL
Can’t get any better than that except Caylee will not get the justice she deserves. They may kill her mother that’s about it. I guess for some that’s all that counts but for me it’s a mortal sin. Some will say..well she doesn’t have to die..LWOP will do just fine…lol
Do they realize that Judge Belvin Perry has sentenced more people to death than most of the judges in the state of Florida? I’d say she has a 50/50 chance to get the DP.
Knowing this..If I were a juror, I couldn’t risk that. I would have to play it safe. Either vote not guilty to all or vote guilty to one of the lesser charges where she’d get at most 15years.
And that’s only IF the State can prove that..as far as I know Casey was an excellent mother and adored her child.
Also as shallow and superficial this may sound, I truly in my heart believe that Casey’s attractiveness has played a huge part in this case and is detrimental in her receiving a fair trial.
Some average people don’t like beautiful people. They feel inferior to them. Maybe lost a promotion to a more attractive person?? And I believe had she looked haggard and toothless she wouldn’t have garnered media attention either.
Melissa Huckaby admitted to doing far worst things to Sandra Cantu than what LE could ever imagine to blame on Casey. Believe me..They tried..lol And looked hard to no avail yet Melissa Huckaby’s trial was short and sweet. She sits in prison for the rest of her life. Case closed.

It doesn’t look like JB. Or Zuben is on yet but I have to put the kiddies to bed and will check in later.

JB is it ok for me to put a link to my blog here? I don’t want to do it without asking and it adds to some info that Zuben has put together on a earlier thread. I was doing research on a person and that is how I found you. it might make sense of what happened to casey today

========================= Absolutely Midwest Mom..we do it all the time. Just not more than 4..lol Sometimes even one will get you into moderation but as soon as I find it, I’ll let it out. Thanks for asking tho.
jB

Zub, It was important for Baez to ask for minorities. It is assumed that minorities have less frequency for finding one guilty of first degree murder with a DP whereas white, educated, middle class jurors are assumed to vote guilt and DP. It’s interesting but not a science from what I read.

Why do you suppose the part of the taped ‘jailhouse visit’ with CA, GA and Casey, where she states that she just wants her baby back and that she wants to be with her baby was not repeatedly played by the media? (being facetious of course)
Here is the link:

Thanks for answering that, Damagd. I missed most of yesterday’s feed because I was at an appointment. I caught the highlights but totally missed a disagreement between Baez and Mason. I just have not had time to watch yesterday’s jury selection video… but will make it a point to do that.

Zuben….brilliantly stated, as usual. When will people quit assuming that, because Casey lied about working at Universal, that she did nothing to find Caylee. I knew about the ankle monitor….you knew about it……so how did everyone else miss it??? Oh yeah….the media told them that she didn’t look for Casey when she was out, so it must be the truth.

Redfish45….while I appreciate your right to form your own opinions based on what you’ve read and heard, I would strongly encourage you to read the other articles and comments on this blog. In no way, shape or form have the readers/commentors/blog owner here at this site disregarded Casey’s unusual behavior. We have not put our heads into the sand. We acknowledge that she did lie. However…..the full story is NOT known by Nancy Grace, Kathy Belich, any reporter, you or me. The readers here have scoured documents, read depositions, examined digital forensics, and researched science, botany, water tables, weather history, and chemistry. Just because we have come to a conclusion that is different than what the majority of people buy into does NOT mean that we are discounting Caylee Marie’s precious life. Like you, we all want justice for Caylee. However, we differ in how we think that justice will be served. The difference between the folks here and the majority opinionators is that we all realize that there are missing pieces and we are not willing to rush to punish Casey before these pieces are put into place. Maybe it is true that we will never know the whole truth…..but until the trial is over, I’m not naive enough to assume that Casey is guilty of killing her child just because she lied about her job or got a tattoo. There is the distinct possibility that Casey Anthony may never know the whole truth. One thing is certain….she knows more than we do. And one other thing SHOULD be true…and that is that Casey Anthony, just like any other American citizen, deserves a fair trial with fair and impartial jurors….and she deserves to be presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. Maybe you have enough information to call it proof. I do not. If this run away prejudice is allowed to go unimpeded in THIS trial….what is to stop LE from accusing you or me of something and building the same type of circumstancial case, fueled by an unhinged and unfair media, and tried and adjudicated by an angry mob who assumes your guilt before you ever have your day in court?? I can already guess that your answer, in part, would be something about you not going 31 days, not partying, no tattoo, no stealing friends’ money. But take a moment to really….and I mean really seriously…..think about what would happen if you were accused of something horrible, and because you didn’t know all of the details of what went on, it was assumed that you did it because you unwittingly went to a ball game, bar, church picnic, or whatever BEFORE you knew that something happened.
I don’t know how much Casey knew, and I don’t have a crystal ball. I’m not psychic. I can’t read minds or lips. Taking all that into consideration…..I’m not willing to say that I KNOW that Casey knew her child was missing or dead. I, like every other truthful person in the world who was not involved in this crime, am going to have to wait to hear what the defense says before I can conclude that Casey went partying, all the while knowing that her child was missing or dead. That is an assumption……NOT a fact.

JB….you always articulate wonderfully, and you could have….and HAVE, in fact…..stated in a most clear and eloquent way, just how wrong this “justice” system is in some instances. Eaton hit the nail on the head when he said that the DP on the table caused the frenzy. The DP in this case is nothing more than a political tactic to guarantee a verdict. It is certainly not merited. And everyone who has complained about the money spent on this case should write the State’s Attorney’s office in Orlando and let them know just how angry they are over the expense in this case. You don’t hear them blaming the state, though, so they might as well just embrace the idea that we haven’t seen the tip of the spending iceberg. An appeal will be FAR and AWAY more costly….and mark my word….and appeal is imminent. In my opinion, JP better be prepared to be overturned. There is a first time for everything. He prides himself in firsts….first to let in junk science……and his new first…..having a verdict overturned.

JB….I also agree with what you said about Casey’s looks. If she were a plain jane, wall flower sort….there would have been NO STORY. People hate her because they see her as a spoiled, cute, white, middle class brat who killed her kid so she could party. What if she weighed 300 lbs and lived in a trailer court?? What if her parents had divorced years ago and she lived with only one parent in that trailer court or housing project?? Would the frenzy have ensued? People like to say they’re mad due to the 31 days….and I’m sure that hasn’t helped. But the truth is, they’re mad because they feel that Casey had it all. Free living, free car, boyfriends, and a beautiful child. But does that mean she deserves the media maelstrom that has been stirred to the point that a fair trial is not possible?? Her looks have been the subject of many a blog comment….and even her attire is mentioned in most Orlando news reports. It’s like a sad, sick fashion run down is more important than the actual case. Did you ever hear a word about how Sandra Cantu was dressed or what she bought from the commissary? Did we hear about Susan Smith’s christmas dinner or Paula Simms’ list of jailhouse visitors? Did anyone ever insinuate that Andrea Yates’s mom needed a breast lift?? I never heard any of those things….but I’ve heard it all with Casey. People hate her because of her normalcy. She gave no outward sign that she wasn’t like their daughters. That scares them to the point that it’s easier to judge her on assumption and media “factoid” rather than to give her her day in court. I can’t wait to hear Casey’s side of the story….even if it IS told only by her attorneys.

Thank you, Kathy! I was about to respond to the video you put up where Casey is saying she just want’s her baby back….and then I realized that I’m a blog hog! LOL.

Your posts always ring so true, and you have the perfect tongue-in-cheek way of driving the point home!! The media has selectively played ad nauseum EXACTLY what they want the public to remember. Nothing that shows a human side of Casey will make it on the news!! I think that the media is a joke. And I KNOW for sure the media is a tool in the hands of political powerhouses. The public, like lemmings, is willing to unwittingly follow off a cliff if the media says so. Our founding fathers would be so disappointed in the way things are today. I know I am.

Omar….hahahha, I knew what you meant.
I agree. I was just thinking about the edited video clips that the media (primarily Her Graceless) put out there, being so careful to cut out anything that even remotely showed the nerve wracked, emotional, frightened mother, instead focusing on the clips that showed the moments when she would lose her temper (‘she must have a volatile temper’), or her being completely composed (‘she’s so cold’), or laughing (same 1 snippet aired over and over again. Makes me nauseus. If they had fairly shown the videos in their entirety, I wonder if more people would have been able to give her the benefit of the doubt until they actually heard the evidence.
I also agree that many people are ‘sheeple’…they’ll follow the leader right over the cliff without stopping to think. Shame.

Omar you said it perfectly! I have heard so much aboug her looks it is crazy! This poor girl will never get a fair trail. I have been keeping up with this story from the beginning and have always thought that something was not right! I have seen every video and read every document. I can remember in the beginnning thinking how unfairly Casey was being treat by the Media, especially NG! That woman makes me sick! She thinks she knows everything and doesn’t have a clue. The media has destroyed any chance of her having a fair trail. I live in TN and everyone here knows about the case. There is definitily more to this!

Nancy Graze makes everyone with a measurable IQ sick! LOL. I tried twice to comment back to you, Firefly….but the comments went *poof*. Just in case they are in moderation….I won’t say the same thing again…..I’ll just say I agree wholeheartedly with your comment:)

I notice from time to time NG is mentioned and how much influence she may or may not have. I don’t watch her. I did look up her market share. NG reaches 400-600K people that equals about 1/2 of 1% of the adult population. How is it that people feel she reaches everyone…….the math does not work.

Redfish: I am going to guess that LE would do everything in their power to keep next of kin from looking in the woods for their own decomposed child. I doubt they would let the grandparents do it either without at least talking to them and explaining what it could do to a person mentally for the rest of their life. Also, imagine if Kc did find Caylee. What would that look like? Guilt, no kidding. No, that would be a bad idea all around. It is bad enough that family members find their family everyday in this country. Bad car accidents, heart attacks, yea it has to be bad enough already. I would never recommend it and any lawyer is going to say absolutely not. IMO

Hi D: Thats it? thats all she reaches? How the heck she get national then? thats nothing. I would think a radio add in orlando could reach more people. I wonder if the orlando sentinel does better than that.

Well D, just exactly how many people nationwide do you suppose are following the Casey Anthony case? All of them? Apparently, it’s the ones in Pinellas County, Florida that count….and they certainly have access to Nancy Grace, as well as the merciless Florida media who has castigated, tried and convicted Casey Anthony over the past 3 years.

And I would certainly hope that, while Nancy Grace DOES, in fact, reach the entire cable-watching nation, that not all of them are inclined to believe her tabloid garbage. She’s rather abrasive….in a disgusting sort of way. Nevertheless….it does seem that her version of “facts” in this case have been inhaled and embraced by those who have followed this case. And I’m willing to bet that there are more than 400K-600K bored housewifes and gossip seekers in America. If there weren’t, then how do you explain National Enquirer sales???

NTS…the points you just raised are excellent!!! The rumors that Casey did NOTHING to help find Caylee came about because she quit talking to LE after she got a lawyer. That set people off. And then you have people like LP and TM who added to it by saying that Casey did nothing to help them. Do people NOT realize that, from the time Casey was first arrested and then retained Jose’s services, she was told NOT to discuss this with anyone……particularly not anyone who would be likely to go to the media????? She knew from her first encounter with Yuri Melich that she was a suspect. She knew she lied about working at Universal. She knew from the gate where the investigation was headed. Her attorney was smart to tell her to not discuss anything with anyone. And furthermore…..you are absolutely correct in stating that LE did NOT want her out on the searches. As Zuben pointed out earlier….she had an ankle bracelet and couldn’t leave even if LE had wanted her to go on the searchesl. When my grandfather was murdered…..we didn’t know he had been killed for several days. We just knew he was missing. And guess what…..LE never one time asked us to go on a search for him. In fact….they requested that we stay home and out of sight and away from the media.

Hi Omar,
Sorry about your comments..I have no answers to why?? I’m still tweeking tho..maybe it had something to with that.

nts..I don’t think NG “today” as many viewers but I’d bet thousands that her ratings were higher than ever in 2008 when she showcased Caylee Anthony every night of the week and twice on Sundays..lol..just saying because HONESTLY without NG I wouldn’t have known about this case but before then, I’d never watched her show. How ironic..lol
After I started reading the docs for myself, then I realized just how much she exaggerates, no more Nancy Grace for me. LOL

D: you should watch her sometime. Even you may be appalled at her way. She is like a runaway train with nothing to stop her. If someone disagrees with her, she cuts them off and then makes a very snarky remark about them. CA has nothing on Nancy. imo

Omar, You crack me up…the National Enquirer. It’s been around since I was a kid and last time I heard one of the largest publications in the US. My wife loves it but I agree there is alot of media avenues for gossip. I think we have become a society that thrives on it or there wouldn’t be as much reality TV and talk shows.

Yeah, she is disliked by majority opinonators and minority opinionators alike. People just can’t stand her. When she ask the tooth pick cowboy a question, he usually an answer to a different question and that upsets her. lol, but she keeps him around. lol She had the protester on tonight that GA pushed. What will be funny to see is if the juror that was fined 450.00 ( a baker at publix), ends up in a homeless shelter and gets summoned again. Then I am sure he will end up on her show. lol

Exactly, Damagd. I guess in this day and age, people need an escape from reality. They look for someone to draw the attention off of their own problems. It’s sad, but nonetheless, true. Nancy Grace is only popular because people are looking for some way to dispell their anger, frustration, anxiety, boredom and bitterness. I’m not trying to sound judgmental at all. We all look for an escape. Sadly…..many people find that escape in the misery of others. I prefer volleyball, the history channel, reading, or talking to you fine folks here. Others….well, they perfer sucking the toxic exhalations of cows like Nancy Grace. But hey, to each his own, right?? LOL.

Indygal:::SAYS::
May 11, 2011 at 10:57 am
Snoop said,
“Well KC said she knew Zenaida didn’t do this..and she didn’t blame her
for not wanting to come forward and sit in jail like Casey.
But that does not mean..that it could not have been someone that
Zenaida was associated with, yes.”
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and then remember the Universal comment,
about the boyfriend Zani had last year, how he was never really around the children,
and there was never a single sign that this was going to happen.
makes ya go Hmmmmmmmm…………
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INDYGAL..I am going to comment here as you will be in here
not the old thread..I read your earlier comment..
I am just going to copy and paste the comment I wrote
last weekend. The LE interview..It has always bothered me.

snoop
May 9, 2011 at 12:22 am
I have ALWAYS thought about this in her LE interview::
CASEY ANTHONY: Even with the boyfriend that Zenaida had last year…
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
CASEY ANTHONY: … I saw him maybe twice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: right.
CASEY ANTHONY: They only dated a couple months. It was never anything serious. She never had him around Caylee or the other children she baby-sat, so it was never an uncomfortable situation. But this is so heart-wrenching because there was never a sign, never a single sign that this was going to happen.

Omar..Hi..I only watched a little of yesterday’s just some highlights.
I just couldn’t..It was late and I was unsettled about it all. I did see
where DS covered the microphone yesterday..and it was rumored
that Baez and KC had words..But hard telling with the source.

I listened to a couple hours today at work..but didn’t see anything after
lunch. As far as the microphones..I know at one point in Orlando that
they did have to be covered IIRC..then they had the ones that could be
turned off and on. I can understand CM’s concerns! In the beginning..in
the Grand jury hearing..someone forgot to turn off the microphones and
the entire crews of TV news stations picked up the feed..Also a few
hearings back..JA had his on and they were talking about the Chloroform.
So, the issues of the microphones are justified..And perhaps, being in the
Tampa courtroom they are set up differently.

As far as the DP I am against it. I do not believe it is our right ever to kill.
If it is going to be law..then as always..I say that it should be universal.

Omar, I believe in all the same things as you, as a Christian. Your comment
was straight from my heart and entire being. I can not add to that.
Except for those who may not be Christians, therefore may not have the
light to see by..Unfortunately!

However, you would think ALL would be
concerned with the law of presumed innocence. I just can not emphasize
what this means to everyone. But..as you say, those will justify there means.
But, I think the most important thing you said in regards to that..was her
normalcy..and their” FEAR” of it. Because FEAR..plays a great part in their
judgements.

Their fears..their hate..their actions..take me away..Can you imagine
what Jesus felt? Life as we know it, is an ongoing learning process.
Whatever, their beliefs are to a superior being, or at the very least
life in general..they must have some concept of this. Having said that,
what lesson will they learn from this. I would not want to be walking
in their shoes down the road. I am a firm believer that what you put
forth will come back..It could be a neighbor you had a disagreement with..
It could be a boss that accuses you of theft..It could be your husband who
accuses you of cheating..It could be law enforcement and a courtroom that
finds you guilty of something you didn’t do. It could be a son, a daughter,
a dear friend..but somewhere down the road..for the judgement you have
placed on Casey Anthony before all the FACTS are in..will come back!
And it will be an ah ha moment. And there is no way out IMO..

This terrifies me. This whole scenario surrounding this case
. We are not talking about a city,
a state, we are talking nationwide..and the World.

VERY SCARY! No wonder we are losing our rights and freedoms.
People really need to wake up here. And maybe this will be a
rude awakening for many in the end. It has been for me
already.

Hi Snoop,
Yup, yup, yup..that’s exactly what will happen to the gung-ho righteous people who insist that Casey did this. One day a false accusation will come back to haunt them just as you said. It might not be them..but it will be someone they care about which might make it worst.
Had it not been for the Sunshit Laws of FL and after reading many true crime novels, I have a pretty good idea how good cops investigate crimes and this one doesn’t compare.
I think WE could have done a better job.
When I think about how far away the shorts were from Area A and the pristine condition they were in..in comparison to the TShirt.?? Zuben brought this to my attention. Well, that and a lot more..lol But there wasn’t any mention of this in discovery?? No mention of Frank McK either. No mention of questioning Pat Bourgeois, KC’s very first visitor. It wasn’t until one of the last doc dumps did we find out about Sawgrass JG!! Now what would have the general public thought about this case had they known about him quitting Sawgrass on or about June 17th in October of 2008?? I think 50% of these ppl wouldn’t be so sure. It’s scary.
If I had been investigating this case I would have given Casey all the rope she needed to hang herself. Instead of confronting her at Universal Studios, I would have let her walk away like I believed her. From there..extensive surveillance..lol Follow her and her family’s every move, tap the phones, trace the calls, talk to everyone who left an unknown phone number and without a doubt..let her talk to Tony!! LOL
This is the way cops work. Not jump to judgment and show your cards, especially when all you have is 7-2 offsuit..lol Anyways..their investigation was horrible and I think they know it. They must feel like idiots.
As for watching this jury selection..I’m like you. It’s such a joke, I can hardly watch it without eating a bottle of Rolaids. Once that angry Protester found herself in the jury pool..LMBO!!
It’s been all downhill.

Thank You for responding to my comment, i just want to say i agree with you on what casey deserves. I just like millions of other people are searching for the facts and the truth, and yes only casey knows and that is the key to all concerns or skeptics. Everyone blames the media, blames the haters, blame , blame. Because of her actions she and only she put herself in this situation. One thing that makes me feel safe for myself and my children is law inforcement that serves and protects and that we have a criminal justice system. And some of the most experience people/persons have been on this case from day one and they found enough evidence to charge her with a crime, so there is something to it, media had nothing to do with that part. What i do know is she failed that child as a mother, she failed to protect her from harm, from neglect . If there was a Nanny Z out there ( remember we found OBL ) we c an find anyone and this make beleive nanny would,ve been brought to justice by now, if casey is protecting someone who did harm that child that means she failed to protect that child. I am fjustice 4 caylee and it appears to me that casey is about casey that is all i am saying. Sorry tired and all over the place this morning. i will end with this, why would,nt a mother who loved her precious little girl not want to bring the person who harmed or murdered this little girl, why since for three years now casey has been protected why has she not brought the responsible person to justice ? then the case would be over.

Omar you commented that ( I don’t know how much Casey knew, and I don’t have a crystal ball. I’m not psychic. I can’t read minds or lips. Taking all that into consideration…..I’m not willing to say that I KNOW that Casey knew her child was missing or dead. I, like every other truthful person in the world who was not involved in this crime, am going to have to wait to hear what the defense says before I can conclude that Casey went partying, all the while knowing that her child was missing or dead. That is an assumption……NOT a fact.) i understand and respect your concern but as a father i would know exactly where my child was hour by hour minute by minute, day by day. And if a nany said i am keeping your child as she claimed i would not go out and celebrate, she was out partying that is a fact, that time line of her stealing monies, going shopping, getting tattoos, dancing, living with a guy who she never said where casey was, renting movies, acting like nothing was wrong those are all facts, now why she did it only she knows but she did it after she claimed the nanny took her child, that is a fact.according to her or were those all lies, bottom line is she is guilty maybe not of the death of her child but the lies, lack of cooperation, and failing to protect that child from harm or neglect.

Omar, good comment. JB, you too. But, I must add one thing for each. Perry has been overturned. Remember the case I included in my article about Perry. The AG might just ignore any letter of protest. He is the one that is holding up the retrial for that man that should have started long ago, right? Justice is a slow process because they stall, no excuse. JB, why would LE, especially Melich, feel like idiots. He is being considered for an award for his poor investigating. He’s being rewarded with huge amounts of praise.

Redfish, we all are guilty of failing to protect our child, at one time or another unless we keep them in our pouch for 18 years, much like a kangaroo mom does. But even then, we could cause their death by suffocation, through overprotection. The fact is, you and I don’t know when Casey realized Caylee might me in harms way. Let’s say for a moment, that the dad really was around and she secretly (so Cindy wouldn’t know) let him take his daughter for a time. She might have thought he could be trusted to take good care of her, might have made excuses to delay bringing her back and even in July when she got the tat, she still may not have known Caylee was i danger. Cindy may have woke her up to the fact that the excuses she was given were a stall tactic. She may have lied about the kidnapping to keep from telling Cindy the truth, other than she hadn’t seen her daughter since June 16. Just speculating, I know. But that is all we can do at this point and to say we know anything is not true or fair to the defendant who is innocent until proven guilty during trial.

Since Monday there has been approx. an hour and a half wasted on the microphone issue. This is troubling because it was caused by counsel and not technology. If counsel felt the need to chastise Casey, they have a thing called recess and can go to a different room to consult. Law 101 teaches about court room decorum. I know Perry has mentioned it several times but it doesn’t seem to take. A perfect example of this happened Monday. Previously Perry had admonished the attorneys for not standing when they addresses the court. Monday attorney George was up and down like a jack rabbit.

The line of questioning by Finell, that first brought the objections of Aston are is the same issue that got me dismissed without cause. The prosecutor in that case didn’t like that I said I would never again be bullied into a decision and judgment. What does that tell yo about the mindset of the prosecution?

D, I disagree that it is a waste and that it is caused by councel. It is caused by gossiping people that like to make trouble or create drama. If there are out and out lies being broadcast by media and bloggers, claiming to have heard them say something, it needs to be addressed. How can they guarentee that the jury pool isn’t hearing or reading this?. Now, if one of those jurors heard the gossip that Casey was pretending to be sick and then saw her smile at her attorney, they would naturally assume the worst regardless of the actual truth.

Finnell has pretty much laid out their case by the mitigating factors for possible DP verdict. Physical, emotional and sexual abuse besides the lack of parental teachings that infer that Casey is immature and was not taught how to cope.

Zub, I am not asking what your case was about but representation, I’m curious, “bullied into a decision and judgement”. Were you represented by a descent attorney that objected to the prosecution at anytime during your hearing?

Zub, I think you may have jumped a head of the problem with the microphone. If the defense did not air their dirty laundry in court there would be nothing to talk about by the media or bloggers about that particular situation. In all fairness that’s where it started.

Hi everyone!!
Great comments from everyone! Each of you puts so much passion into every thought. I love that!

Off Topic:
NTS, JB, and Omar….Being an American Idol fan, I have to stick my two cents in too. I think Scotty will probably get Best Newcomer of the Year at next year’s Country Music Awards (if he gets an album out soon enough). However, I think James Durbin will win Idol. He’s never been in the bottom. Younger viewers (who each tend to vote hundreds of times, sometimes on multiple phones) just LOVE him…huge following. I don’t know who is going home tonight, but, if I were to guess, I’d say Hailey. She has an interesting, quirky voice, but not as big a following as the other three. She has been in the bottom many times. Who does everyone else think will go home? This show is a nice diversion from all this legal stuff.

D…..The demographic info that you found on NG…does that include all the people that watch (or read transcripts of) her show on the internet? Also, CNN is the parent company of her network HLN (Heinous Liars Network, as it is called in my house) and they also do recaps of her show. JVM (also HLN) has recaps on her show as well. JVM and Joy Behar (also HLM) have even interviewed Her Graceless on their shows! So her exposure is much more insidious than the percentage you found.

Snoop…
snoop
May 9, 2011 at 12:22 am
I have ALWAYS thought about this in her LE interview::
CASEY ANTHONY: Even with the boyfriend that Zenaida had last year…
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
CASEY ANTHONY: … I saw him maybe twice.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: right.
CASEY ANTHONY: They only dated a couple months. It was never anything serious. She never had him around Caylee or the other children she baby-sat, so it was never an uncomfortable situation. But this is so heart-wrenching because there was never a sign, never a single sign that this was going to happen
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That last line is definitely disturbing. What did she mean? I’ve never seen this statement before. Very scary! Great post!

Good morning all! I wish I could see what’s going on with the trial, but I’ll try to catch up tonight.

I agree about the widespread lynch mob mentality. It reminds me of the late 1970’s, during the hostage situation. I felt so sad about the prevailing attitude, kind of a boot-stomping, flag waving hate, with bumper stickers that read “Bomb Iran.” I think it’s also a lot of peer pressure — people not wanting to speak up and get bombarded with strong opposition.

Hazaka….don’t you think if he wants ‘to solve a mystery’ he may believe there is more to this story than the majority opinionators ? IDK…he seems eager…yes, but, he may also think he can figure out the puzzle if he’s given the correct facts. He seemed at ease with JB (just going by the voice). Just guessing of course….it’s hard to distinguish without seeing the face and actual body language.

THIS prospective juror …. posted on facebook that we was called to jury duty …and may be gone a long time……and since tho’s who know him, know he’s located in the county where Casey’s jurors would be selected —anyway… I have to run —–

Kathy, The numbers are based on ratings for TV shows. You must watch the show to have an informed opinion. The only time I watch HLN is when I’m in a hurry in the morning and they highlight world and National news in 15 minutes. I usually get my news world, nation and local from online publications because it’s pretty much instant unlike shows that are recorded earlier.

Hazaka, I understand now. The prosecution and defense questioning of jurors will determine if the juror is chomping at the bit so to speak. There are questions used by both sides that are used to determine several things. They are like question on a psych test that are thrown in the mix.

Perry gives the state first up on all odd numbered jurors. That means that any prime numbers, those that can only be divided by one and themselves, are up for the state to take first shot at. Just a little number pondering.

D, how in the world can you judge that the DT are airing their dirty laundry? Did you hear them or read their lips? That is really unfair, if not.

Juror 1340 posted on Facebook about jury duty? And you think that is ok, D? He was told not to blog a word abou their service or this case. Didn’t he say he didn’t allow anything out except to his wife and family? Facebook is pretty public.

D, I was a perspective juror. In the first case I was called for, many years ago, the judge sent us to deliberate, somewhere around 4pm and told us we would not be allowed to go home or leave the jury room until we had come to a unanimous verdict. We started out pretty well split. The foreman began working on each member, one by one to vote his way until finally I was the only one left. It was near 7, no one had eaten and everyo9ne was getting pretty miserable, me included. My family had no dinner until I got home. They were used to eating as soon as my husband walked in the door and he got pretty ornery when he was hungry. I allowed myself to be bullied, partly out of a false sense of guilt for not having made sure dinner was ready before I left that day for jury duty. I voted against my consience. I later found out some things that assured me I was right and I’ve felt guilty ever since, for being pushed and bullied.

Then next time I was called for a criminal case I made it through the initinal stages. During the final questioning, similar to what I referred to above, I said I allowed myself to be badgered once and would never make that same mistake again. The prosecutor used one of his freebies on me. They are allowed a certain amount witout good cause, just because they don’t want them for whatever reason. That was his reason. They want the jurrors to be pliable and open to bullying, just like LE use those tactics on their chosen suspects.

Zuben, I listened several times yesterday and heard something close to what was reported but couldn’t be 100 %. Again that’s not the issue. I will agree that the media got old a long time ago. You and I might disagree but what happened between Baez and Casey, pretty evident from the seating chart end, started at the defense table with Baez standing about three feet from her. No attempt to get close to her so no one could hear. It was a moment of anger or frustration.

The facebook thing is for the judge to decide. Either side can notify or object to the judge.
If it is serious enough I hope the judge fines the guy.

Thanks for sharing your court experience. Sounds like you had to make a command decision……never easy.

Zub, I have a prosecution story you might like. I was called twice by the state for two different criminal cases that I was witness to some of the charges. In both cases I was amazed at what happened. I was sworn in and the judge and prosecutor told me about responding to questions. I took the instruction and the questioning began. In both cases I was not allowed to expand on my answers and the prosecution essentially asked all the wrong questions or cut me off. The defense just smiled and subsequently the defendant in both cases was acquitted even though he would have been found guilty by my testimony.
There you have it…the system in action…30 years ago in two different counties.

Hello everyone-interesting comments,
Zub-thanks for reminding us, JP has been overturned.
D’- Sorry but you havent’s convinced me that NG didn’t play a major factor in churning up interest in this case. That’s something the majority of Casey-Haters agree with..lol Just saying..
Kathy – I’m with you, James Durbin is the bomb! I love him. He holds a special place in my heart because IIRC he has some sort of mild autism which explains why he’s so passionate. My grand daughter has a mild form of autism as well so when I see him, I’m stoked!!
My grand daughter is a perfectionist too..we’re now thinking of buying her a keyboard. She loves to sing..Anyway..I like James..you’re right, he’s never been in the bottom 3.

what is improper about asking the juror if they think the Death Penalty is a deterrent to crime? I think that would be very significant to know. Some might give her the death penalty to her as an example for future criminals.

Midwest Mom,
That was an odd question? IMO, once the juror said, “no, he’s never discussed the DP with anyone”..the judge should have shown him the door because I’m sure he lied there.
I don’t know anyone who hasn’t discussed the DP at some time in their life.

this guy needs to go. He’s lying. I can sense it. No logical reason I can give you. I just KNOW he’s lying. He’s chomping at the bit to be on the jury. He has prejudged her already. He has followed this case and isn’t admitting it. When he said to AF, I don’t understand…it kind of sounds like you’re asking me to pre-judge.

Granted…..I just got home and tuned in, but based on what I’ve heard out of the judge, and based on the fact that AF just said that the judge admonished the defense in front of the juror…..it sounds to me like the juror is already trying to be cocky and outsmart the defense.

Who is this person that qiut working at the Sawgrass apts around the time Caylee went missing? Also who is Frank McK and Pat? Who are they to this case? I thought I was caught up on everything.

Omar they just love you over at the Orlando Sential website. They were talking about you and this blog. They are so mean and hateful over there. How woold they feel if that was their family member. Were they never taught that if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say anything at all!

D, would you mind giving a link to the portion of the hearing or tell me roughly when you heard this?

I noticed today the mics that haven’t been on were on during recess. Ashton was talking to Simms about the exculaptory test and something else. Now, how did that mic get turned on? I think something besides pizza stinks.

Wow Snoop,
I just saw your comment about the trip to Tacoma!! Cool, but I just got word from my cousin Zoe, she said the weather isn’t too good right now..still a little chilly for us “swamp girls” But wait..I can still call my travel agent John..he might know of a better spot on the Pacific. I’ll try to leave a message with his secretary Andrea or Andre?? I don’t know…lol
I always seem to forget her name. Anyway…Let me see what I can find out more about all of this before I make my move. I just want to get more information..if you know what I mean.

Zuben,
Exactly. Something definitely stinks in Florida. I bet the travel agents in Orlando are feeling the heat too. Who wants to visit a city where they can throw you in jail and charge with Murder One because you lied to police? LOL Not me.

firefly,
IIRC, Juan Gonzalez was a newly hired maintenence man who began acting strangely around June 16th. He abruptly resigned on June 17th. This discovery didn’t come to surface until a few months ago. I’ll see if I can find the article and provide theJBM links.

Hahaha Firefly!! Glad to know this Illinois girl is making a splash in Orlando, Florida!!! I personally could not care less what they think of me at the Sentinel. Maybe the moderators there should clean the place up. As for me, I don’t go there and read that garbage that the commentors leave, so it’s like water off a duck’s back. But thanks for telling me I now have a following! LOL.

Zub, Don’t remember the exact link but I think it happened when the jurors were in the room and Perry was reading the charges and KC started crying once again. I’ll try and find it but not be back right away.

LOL, JB. Hardly!! More like “infamous”. I’m sure the haters at the OS chomping at the bit for me to step into their litter box. Not gonna happen. I’ll stay here where we scoop the turds out before we play in the sand!!

JB….I hope your grandaughter loves the keyboard. That seems to be the trick, to find something they love and they’ll be great at it. My younger son has Asperger Sydrome…it’s been a LOOOONG road. I know exactly what you mean.

“She was taught to project false appearance, she was used as a decoy or pawn by her parents and a scapegoat for parental misconduct,” said defense attorney, Anne Finnell.

The defense said it’s planning to blame Casey’s family if she is convicted of murdering her daughter, Caylee.

The excuses they plan to use to convince the jury is Casey’s lack of maturity, no impulse control, they said she has a history of sex abuse, insomnia, nightmares, no parental guidance or protection, verbal and emotional abuse as a child and poor coping skills.
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I can’t believe what I have heard and read! A white middle class family, no drug abuse, no alcoholism, no domestic abuse or child Services history but the defense is going to make the jury believe Casey grew up in a cult? She left the house everyday and claimed she was going to work. She was not chained to a bed or in a cellar. She stole enough money out of her mother’s accounts to have left and gone to the next state. She had relatives. I find too many outs especially when I know people that grew up in abusive households. This truly makes me sick if this is the avenue the defense is going to take claiming her innocence.

D…I really hope they aren’t planning to go there, either. In my heart, I really don’t think CA and GA had anything to do with Caylee’s disappearance. That would be a cheap shot, IMO. I don’t think Jose Baez or Cheney Mason would do that.

Damagd,
Link please. I’d love to read who made that comment. lol In my POV, it’s just more of the same..SPECULATION. I’m really done with discussing what the defense is aspiring to use as a defense. ::Boring:: Isn’t the trial supposed to start in a week or two? I’m willing to wait for the real thing, aren’t you?

D, I caught a little bit of what you are referencing. I think what finnel was trying to do is put different scenarios into the potential jurors heads that what they heard via media is one point of view. That there is a possibility of many different levels that we are not aware of (what we have been saying) it gets the jurors questioning if what they think they know is the truth. And if they are following the rules and not listening to the media then what she was referencing is what they get to ponder for a while until the trial starts.

Great strategy. You brought up a point that limits us as a society. That what people portray to us on the outside is what is going on inside.

As an example only: we don’t know if she was chained up to a bed or kept in the basement or belonged to a cult. We do know that child abuse of that extreme does exist

Ann Finnell listed the reasons why she shouldn’t get the death penalty but that doesn’t mean they plan to say Casey is guilty of doing some horrible and it’s because of her parents..lol In my POV Finnell’s explanation will only be used in the penalty phase if she is found guilty and NOT to be used as a defense. I think you’re reading too much into this news report BUT..that’s exactly what the news media wants you to think so I understand.
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When I hear words such as this “Judge says he has jurors waiting so they need to get moving. Considers putting time limits on attorney issues” and “judge’s strategy to panel jurors” it makes my stomach turn. What’s the rush and why is it the judge’s strategy? Is it his strategy to get this over with because he knows she’s guilty?? Very disturnbing…

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The lady in the red dress is Rosalee Bolin. She’s mitigation specialist who left her husband to marry a convicted murderer, Oscar Bolin. OMG..lol Just more juicy news for the public to feed on. ::rolls eyes::

D, I don’t know who you’re quoting but it doesn’t sound like anything I heard Finell say about Casey. I think you may be mistaken. She did ask a lot of general questions about possible mitigating factors that are considered, during the penalty phase, wanting to know if the juror would be willing to consider all those things but it is a stretch, to put it mildly, to say she said that is what they are going to say about Casey. She was doing her job. If they plan to use any of those scenarios, I hope they are only true details. But, I would be able to understand if they stretch or exaggerate to save their client’s life. If a person is innocent and gets to the penalty phase, the attorneys will do what they have to. I’d prefer they be honest though. But, you know, many consider corporal punishment abuse these days. I just mentally ran through all my childhood experiences and family dynamics and you know what? I’d have tons of mitigating factors to back up the death penalty isn’t warranted. Of course, I could never kill anyone but you know what I mean? I’d open the closet door and set all those skeletons free.

So, the state plans to open the can and have the jury do a sniff test. I’m so glad Perry gave me something to agree with him about. It’s about time. How many people have smelled mean and milk products that have sat in 120″ temps, closed up for over two weeks. I haven’t. So what would I have to compare too. There are different compounds that show up at different stages of decomposition so even if they were expert sniffers of slightly old similar garbage, how would they know what the source was. If there is only one chemical that distinguishes pig from human, their nose isn’t going to be good enough.

JB…..Either Jean Casarez or Beth Karas (sp?) said today that in the state of Florida the judge CAN NOT put a time limit on the juror questioning. She was pointing out a list of statements JP made, and was clarifiying as far as the law was concerned, as JP indicated he was going to put a time limit on these questioning sessions.

JB, it really bothers me too that the judge is in such a hurry in all of this. He has assured a couple potential jurors that the trial will be over by july. If the state and defense are allowed to do a proper voir dire, that could take until nearly July. But, as you stated, the judge has an agenda and has put a time limit on justice. I wonder if he’d view it differently if it were his child on trial…….or perhaps himself on trial. I know if it were me, I’d certainly want my defense team to have all the time they need to weed out biased jurors.

But you know how it is……IF Casey is found not guilty….the masses can scream that the judge didn’t give the state enough time to select jurors.

I agree with JB, they are not going to use it as a defense to say Casey did something.

I felt bad for Casey today when I realized that after 2.5 years of public and media speculation, she has been programmed to sit and be absolutely void of emotion. It is sad especially if you see her as innocent

Just got back…JB you got the right article and other publications took it the same way. I don’t think it’s a stretch when Finnell was so particular. I’m thinking back to the jail house letters and wondering if this has not been a set up in the making. I don’t see how this could be introduced without Casey taking the stand. The moment it is mentioned or if George is asked the question…it will be objected to. There is no foundation for this to be brought in by a witness. I’d like to bet on it.

JB, OK so I watched Nancy Grace! My intelligence was insulted. This amounted to tabloid journalism at it’s worst. Watching her was like blogging…disagree and you get cut off. You honestly believe she has poisoned the nation? If people out there are watching her more than once or twice then we as a people are in real trouble. It does not surprise me why her market share is so low. It’s shameful people watch shows like that to get a fix on what’s going on or get the latest on something.

===================== Get a grip Damagd, LOL… It’s not JUST ME!!! You come on sooooo strong like I’m the only one who’s ever said this! lol Yes..I agree you are in big trouble and it only took once to watch her show. Go to the other crazy maniac blogs and ask them if Nancy Grace is there hero???
Why do you think Jose Baez asked one of the jurors if they watched Nancy Grace. Your idea that Nancy Grace didn’t have an impact in the huge amount of publicity is wrong. I wish I could be kinder..but you’re wrong Damagd. LOL The fact is Nancy Grace is who announced this case to the world..maybe NOT Orlando but to every other person who came to know about this case and searched blogs to discuss it.
BTW, Where did you first learn about this case? I know you’re not from Orlando..so did you just happen to click on WFTV or WESH?? Please tell us…inquiring minds want to know..lol
hahaha..
jB

Oh wow, Damagd….I’m sorry you had to endure NG. Sadly, I know people….quite a few people actually……who LOVE to watch Nancy Grace. And guess what……they believe most of what she says!!! It’s sad and disgusting. We as a people ARE in real trouble.

Midwest and JB, et al. …..I do not believe that the defense is going to use abuse of any kind by anyone as a defense to murder. I believe that AF, as a litigation specialist, has to ask these questions of jurors JUST IN CASE the trial goes to a penalty phase. If Casey is convicted, they will pull out all the stops to try to spare her life. But at this point, what AF is asking are nothing more than “what if” questions to feel out the jurors to see who is blood thirsty and who would be more open minded.

Hi all, just got in. I heard jury questions til about 3. I caught the first 1..he was
selected..the second one, should have been booted. I however missed the last
part of him. Did he get the boot? That was juror 1232 who was friends with the DC Sniper’s first victim…

13 news per the tv says there is a web site that is suppose to be Judge Perry..
but the Judges spoke person..says it is not his? That it has some comments..
timeline..and a place for donations..and asks for prayers for the A’s especially GA,
CA, and Caylee. I just caught it briefly..but have not seen on the internet..Anyone
see anything? I can turn to TV on and catch it..just wondered..I really am not into
TV.

Snip::
Before questioning began Thursday morning, defense attorney Jose Baez complained about the amount of media coverage of the last three days of jury selection, saying it’s gotten out of hand, and he wanted the microphones around the defense table turned off.

He brought up an example of one report that said he told Casey to stop acting like a 2-year-old, which Baez claimed was completely false.

But Judge Perry reminded Baez that they are in a public courtroom, and if attorneys are unhappy with the media coverage, they should call the reporters’ employers to complain.

He also told Baez that if it becomes so bad, he should consider taking legal action for slander.

Snip::Casey Anthony’s lawyers said we may all be shocked when we hear her defense.

The prosecution’s theory in the case is already clear: They want to convince the jury that Casey drugged and killed her daughter, Caylee, and then discarded the 2-year-old’s body in the woods so she could go out and party.

The defense team hasn’t even hinted about what story they will tell. But they told me we’re in for quite a surprise.

“We suspect there will be some jaw-dropping,” said defense attorney Cheney Mason. “We’ll have to wait and see.”

Casey’s lawyers claimed three years of questions could be answered in three minutes at trial. It might shock the public

SNIP::”The court of public opinion is the most uneducated court in the whole country,” said lead defense attorney Jose Baez, who claimed much of the state’s evidence against Casey has been misinterpreted.

With the overwhelming public hostility towards Casey Anthony, there are battles Baez said he just can’t win.

“The heart-shaped sticker? There is no sticker, even though its been clearly discussed in court,” he said.

For all the talk about those convinced of Casey’s guilt, those who vilify her defense team, here’s something you won’t find in discovery: According to Cheney Mason, “We get a lot of calls and fan mail. It’s not all criticism.”

“We got some nuts,” Mason added. “I’ve got a file called the ‘nut file,’ where the wacko letters are put in.”

On jury selection, Mason said it might take longer than everyone thinks.

Defense spending is an open book. The prosecution team, however, won’t reveal their costs.

“We’ve asked them several times, ‘What are their costs?'” said Mason. “And they can’t tell us, or they won’t.”

When it comes time for jurors to consider the evidence, Mason said there’s one looming fact prosecutors can’t avoid.

Thanks Snoop! Very enlightening. When Cheney says ‘jaws will drop’…I don’t think he means us….he means the majority opinionators….we’ve considered so many theories, I don’t think our jaws will drop at anything. 😉 Goodnight.

Hmmm interesting..wonder who the administrator is. It is Support for
Judge Perry. It is personal as well, as there is video from youtube of
JP speaking at the unveiling of statues of his father and friend.

=========== Hmm..I don’t think I’ll give them a click but I do find it ironic that Judge Perry suddenly has a blog..lol
You know what that means…LOL He probably reads here..He might even think this is JOSE BAEZ’s blog..
HA!! Too funny. Poor Jose, I’m going to have do a HUGE disclaimer on that one..this is NUTZ!!
jB

D: Sorry to poison you with NG. lol I won’t do it again. haha I am glad to hear she does not have a big following. I think Ann F is asking questions to determine if the juror is lying about their true feelings. She is also planting the seed that Kc did not grow up in a normal family. I pointed out a long time ago that one would have to lie to survive in that family. Thats the only thing they would accept was lies. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Kc wasn’t working, but yet they played along. Why? I don’t know, but i do know there are people that are willing to accept lies as long as they don’t have to fulfill their own responsibilities. IE Ca saying yes, go out and get a job, go to school, and I will support you. But really, will she? I mean yes financially big deal, but actually put in the time and hard work to watch the baby 40 hours a week? Maybe just easier to accept the lies. We are not privvy to how many times CA said no to watch Caylee. We are not privvy to know exactly how dependable these two were. And what if, and I mean if, she was subject to sexual abuse and did not trust her father to watch Caylee? Does anyone really think they are going to tell anyone? Things like that remain secret for years and years and the victims are either too afraid to run, or way too embarassed to ever mention it to anyone. So lets say hypothetically speaking we get to the penalty phase. Why not bring it all out? I am sure GA and CA are willing to sacrifice any pride they have left to save their daughters life. Jurors have a right to know as well. The state has painted Kc as a monster in all of this, but perhaps she was mentally abused and just not all there like us. I hate it that we have to do the penalty phase stuff now before trial. Seems very unfair. It assumes she is guilty. Many people who believe in the death penalty, believe in it for cold blooded murderers with no conscience, but never planned on executing disturbed people. I think people go across the spectrum on death penalty. My brother believes in it, but only for those with rock solid proof. Not a video, but something solid that cannot be disputed. I personally think it is the very reason for this circus. MOO

Hi All,
I was reading up on today’s jury selection and found this – what I can only call – insanity. It’s a long read but pay attention to MzFoo’s posts. She is a message board poster from In Session. She and her friends sure got a kick out of her attendance at today’s court session. If you watched it Live, you would have seen her and asked yourself, “Who is that?” … Well, MzFoo is her. Such a sad display of humanity.

Wow thanks Snoop for all of the uplifting info. I’m sure Mason & Baez are going thru hell..They are my heroes simply for taking this case as it is and doing the best job they can.
I know their hearts are into this…especially Baez who has endured the worst of the worst for doing nothing but HIS JOB. I don’t understand this type of ignorance.
I guess my Mom JB protected me from the evils of the World. I’m shocked by all of it, the protesting, the malignation of the defense attorney, the media. Yes..I think this is truly a modern day Salem Trial. Like Damadg said, “We’re in big trouble”
Have a good night Snoop. I’m going to try to sit thru another debacle of Voir Dire tomorrow. It’s been very tiring to watch.

Firefly..Hi.. Our channel 13 news is 24 hr local news. They mentioned it
one time at about 9:30 or so. They repeat the news repetitively..Yet I had it
on for 2 hrs and they are reporting all about KC but NOT reporting the website.
They said some spoke person told
them this is not Perry’s website.

So I searched all the news stations and just goggled for a report of the
website in the blogs or something…Nothing.. Finally I just goggled Belvin
Perry and there it was. There are few comments..but IIRC the date of the
first comment is FEB 2011. There is a hotline number as well as a donate
button..and information about the case. So ..don’t know who the administrator
is..there is a contact email I think..and it is support for JP

Belvin Perry, Jr is one of four children in his family, all successful. His sibling’s jobs include surgeon, teach, and business owner. All were raised by Belvin Perry, Sr, who, like his son, was also in the field of justice.

Belvin Perry Sr. grew up in Sanford, FL as the only-child of a single-mother. While attending High School, Perry decided to drop out of school to help support his mother by working in celery fields. After which, he worked as a waiter and eventually achieved the prestigious goal of becoming one of Orlando, Florida’s first African-American policeman. The conditions under which he worked in this role, however, were far from today’s standards. Officer Perry, Sr. was one of five other black officers that patrolled a large part of the “black community” in Orlando without having access to neither patrol cars nor guns. For a while, Perry would wait tables during the day, then go home to sleep until his 6pm shift with the Orlando Police. After some time in the police force, Perry, Sr earned a reputation as a “tough street cop.”

Officer Belvin Perry, Sr retired from OPD in 1976 and worked as a bellman at a Howar Johnson’s hotel. Afterward, he served as a deacon at the nearby Shiloh Baptist Church. He also served as a Volunteer at the senior center and delivered meals on wheels. On February 2, 2011, Belvin Perry, Sr was honored as part of black history month

I haven’t been visiting or posting here for awhile due to time constraints. I avoided some earlier discussions regarding Judge Perry and gave him the benefit of doubt with some of his ruling. I have changed my opinions of him and believe that is trying to railroad this jury and this trial to his meet his time frame and schedule. I think his little secret COV for jury selection turned out to be a joke. I was appalled that he waited until right up until jury selection to rule on the sniff and smell evidence from Dr. Vass. The hair band FBI evidence has reared it ugly head again and Perry will do his best to cripple anything the defense tries to introduce Dr, Shaw’s hair band studies. These studies actually impeach their own FBI’s lab tech comments and testimony that suggested post mortem hair banding.

The defense is not taking this laying down but with this Judge I don’t know if they can overcome the power of his power, The defense is at least allowed phone call with Dr, Shaw at 8:30 this am. I want to make time to watch this and then have my stomach knot up when Perry searches to find some way to not allow this evidence from experts on this issue. He has already indicated because the FBI was still doing research on the hair banding from hairs of live people that he was not inclined to allow it . Is is not true that Dr. Vass’ research is still on going and Perry is allowing his sniff and scratch into evidence.

I could have found some legal justification with some rulings but the midnight ruling to allow the scratch and sniff sent me off the edge.

Hi MAC,
Nice to see you again. It’s great that you gave JP the benefit of doubt. At first, I tried to do the same but after he shot down each and every Def. motions, I found myself wondering about him..why is he being so biased. The heart sticker was the turning point for me. We all know from the FBI report there was no sticker or sticker fragments yet he’s allowing it in to trial. I find the heart sticker the most disturbing.. Imagine someone killing a child and then adds a heart sticker to boot..Makes Casey look diabolical and I don’t think that’s true.
Anyway, I feel like you..It will be a quite a job to get pass the power of Judge Perry.
Yes..and the timing for the Vass ruling isn’t fair either.
Well tomorrow is another day of jury selection. LOL in Pinellas county where 97% think KC’s guilty. I think it’s safe to say JP selected the wrong county. I’ll just add this to the long list of Judge Perry’s screw ups…just my opinion of course. 😀

Somebody actually misinterpreted this entire debacle and decided to candycoat the ordeal by not mentioning “THIS” person wasn’t just any witness. This witness is a female protester who manhandled George Anthony.

Casey Anthony: Possible Witness Called for Jury Duty
A woman who searched for the missing body of Caylee Anthony and was also named as a potential witness for the defense was mistakenly summoned for jury duty yesterday, forcing Judge Perry to toss out dozens of prospective jurors.

I know most of the Haters wear blinders when it comes to the Anthony case, but this takes 1st prize. LOL O.M.G.!!!

Wow! what a bright surprise here this morning. I like it JB but like the other too.

The website mentioned is belvinperry.com. It is registered by proxy through Godaddy, created Feb. 5, 2011. I found it when I was researching Perry for that article but am sure it isn’t really his page. At that time, there was nothing there, no articles yet. Now there is quite a bit.The toll free number is recent. The donation link was there from the beginning though. My guess is someone hopes to cash in on Perry’s popularity with the Casey haters.

Rhondala, thanks for the link. I found her story on page 6. Did any of you see or hear this during the hearing? I only listed while doing other things and some parts couldn’t hear well. If true, she points out that they aren’t watching the jury pool well at all. some sitting in the spectator section, no one guarding them.

I think Perry is opening the door with more possible appellate issues telling the defense they have a time limit on questions. He left an opening so we’ll see what happens if they must run longer.

I was thinking about this whole conflict rumor between Baez and Casey. You know, Casey is under more pressure than anyone could ever face. It would be a miracle for most people not to completely lose it to some extent at some point. The attorney often takes the stern father figure role when necessary. If he was afraid Casey would completely lose it he might say something very stern to snap her out of it. Better to be mad at him than to act in a way that might be misinterpreted by a juror.

I thought I heard Ashton say no need for a Frye hearing. Was he referring to the death band experiment hearing scheduled for this morning? Over hearing part of Ashton’s conversation during break, I think he’d try real hard not to have any more of the details about this exculpatory study being heard now. I wonder if he’s taken water samples from the home. My guess is, iron is one thing that could create the dark area but I’m sure there are other things too. Lime might also build to create an opaque area near the scalp or anywhere but that would be a lighter area.

I wish I would have been able to jot down the time of the smell question but I did get the time Perry brought it up, 7:28pm EDT. My cyrstal ball of choice indicates it is human household trash of animal origin, a twin of sorts, that mimics humans in at least on key or critical chemical. I’m thinking pig because it is a smaller animal grown domestically but milk also comes to mind because of one of the players. We know both items were in the trunk. Cheese is high in lactose and I’m seeing something sweet hidden by the prosecution. Lactose, digested by lactase, fits here. People of European ancestry produce lactase into adulthood.There is a yeast grown and used to produce chymosin, used in cheese production. Chymosin is found in humansm, gene responsible found on Chromosome 1. As I’ve said before, I think that the velveeta and lunch meat could and would put of gasses similar and the same as humans.

Hi Mac, and Welcome back!!
Firefly….the FBI’s own report states clearly that there is no heart sticker nor residue. One of the FBI lab techs thought they say some residue on the tape, but then couldn’t find it later, so said it was destroyed by testing. What the hype is over the heart sticker is that there was a heart sticker found stuck to a piece of cardboard 40-50 ft from the remains. Now keep in mind, the remains site had been used as a garbage dump. So the state would like us to believe that the body wasn’t located until December because the area was under water. YET MIRACULOUSLY, this heart sticker endured the water and floated 50 ft away, landed on a piece of soggy, wet cardboard, and STUCK to it. That’s the “evidence” that they have. As for the truth of the evidence….the FBI states there was no sticker residue nor sticker. But, JP decides that the FBI tech can testify as to what she say (or thought she saw).

There was no heart sticker that matches the heart stickers in the Anthony home. One would think if a heart had been placed on the tape over the mouth area that heart sticker would have been found around the body or in the disposal bags.

I agree with JB that Perry allowing the could have, possibly or might have been a sticker on the duct tape with no evidence other questionable. At least the defense could establish through questioning that there was never a heart sticker found or never any residue found on the duct tape.

I believe the hair banding and the scratch and sniff evidence will come and bite Perry in the ass if there is a guilty verdict. Of course the problem is the time that passes before appellate issues are heard. The appellate courts move at snails pace and very much seek to up hold the verdict and avoid reversal of a verdict. The good ole boy network of judges circle the wagons to keep the judges images as God like and infallible.

All I can say is OMG! I have always thought they were insane to bring science in that has never been in court before. Especially since the case against Casey has so much circumstantial evidence and holes the size of the galaxey in it! I also think that it is insane that the DP in on table since they can’t give an exact time of death or cause! Our justice system just amazes me sometime! In all honesty I don’t even see how charges were ever brought against Casey!

Mac and Firefly…I agree with both of your comments!! This trial is like nothing I’ve ever seen….and I do not know why this farce is being allowed to continue. I hope all defense attorneys in Orlando are standing up and taking notice. Even those who take pleasure in criticizing Baez and Mason better think long and hard about what is going to happen if this is allowed to happen.

And I agree about the good ol’ boys’ network. They do try to protect their own. However, I can’t see how, in good conscience, an appeals court can NOT overturn JP on several rulings he’s made thus far.

Ok….this man juror says he can’t consider, age, immaturity, family background, history of abuse, etc. as mitigating factors. So why is the judge belaboring this poing? the judge is telling him what he will instruct the jurors regarding mitigating factors…not once, but TWICE, the judge tells him that. THEN JP says, now, can you consider these factors, and the guys says yes. HELLO??????

Baez wants him removed because he wasn’t truthful. he said he was never arrested and he was arrested for a dui. Prosecution wants him on the jury, because he fessed up and admitted it?? Well then lets throw half of casey’s charges and documents out the window if it is ok for the prosecution. Seriously! Im not EVEN kidding!

Good Morning all!! I thought at one time through my many many readings that there was an unidentified fingerprint found on the duct tape. Can any of you verify through depostions or forensic evidence if there was ever an unidentified fingerprint found on the duct tape?

Only foreign DNA on the tape and foreign hair on the paper under her skull, as far as I know. I believe the priint ws from the trunk or one of the household items that Casey said came from ZG. But, I’m not recalling clearly so please don’t quote me on that.

The Juror raised his hand and took an oath before god to tell the truth, he signed a written statement saying that he never has been commited of a crime. Mr George asked him about e-bay and amazon that he frequently visited. He never was forth coming on the books and movie reviews that he read and saw about death penalty’s and serial killers. The bought some sort of crime memorabilia on the internet of a man in an electric chair!! When baez questioned him he said oh that was for my step son. he bought skulls and oh I forgot about that those are just book ends(would hate to take a tour of his house) He lied about being a widow. they lived together for eleven years but were never married. He said he would never take mitigating factors, such as age, immaturity, family back ground into to consideration. Only after a side bar and asking a third time did he change his answer. then he said he misunderstood the questions.

I have one other thing to say….Perry clearly needs to step down. This is a farse! Baez put him on notice that he is getting todays transcript. I think they need to go to a higher court right now and ask for a continuance and hjis recusal. I also noticed that locals are watching channel 9, Bay News. It seems like anytime I’ve read an article there it is identical to wftv. Am I wrong? If not, Belich has poisoned them all. I watch the news from the channel an hour away as often as my local channel becuase it is a bigger town.

Good morning everybody, good comments,
Hi TJ, Nice to see you. There are no fingerprints as far as I know.

I listened to the InSession panel this morning, they do not agree with JP’s unconventional Voir Dire process. Neither do I. IMO, in this case, the first phase should be media exposure not hardship since he wants to rush things up.
Zuben, No you’re not wrong. I feel the same way. Perry has consistently shown discourse towards Baez in particularly. As an astute observer, I’m beginning to think it’s personal. With that said, he should step down. I think CM is taking notes on this matter.
Yes, KB is the goddess of the ignorant…sickening.

LOL..JP thinks if he asks them are they able to be impartial and as long as they say “yes”..
There in like Flint! I don’t think thats proper. You need to ask other questions to feel out the juror. Just like the guy who lied and said he wasn’t convicted of a crime when in fact he was arrested for DUI..that’s a huge sign that he’s molding himself to make the cut.

If I were Baez, I would show pictures of Lee, CA, GA, Baez, Mason and Kathy Belich.
This is a joke!! She asks if he knows of the “news magazine 48 hours”..he says no, he only knows about the “show”. Who is LDB trying to kid???

Outrageous! This judge is changing the ruling of the game in mid stream. Perry cares more about seating a jury to meet the deadline he established for this trial to start over the constitutional rights of due process and a fair trial to the defendant.

In my view,this blatant abuse of the Constitutional rights of the defendant should cause the defense to start filing some complaints to a higher court to stop this this before it gets to trial.

I wish we had an attorney on here to discuss what possible remedy the defense has to file something to reign in this biased judge.

Right now I’d like to punch MD in his jaw for getting Judge Strickland recused. That idiot was passing out business cards to everyone in the courtroom. He probably left one with the bailiff to give to JS and this is why JS wanted to talk to him. Bad move on JS’s part but I still hold MD liable for blatantly LYING about eating lunch with the Judge.
Considering the huge amount of people following this case, some people could possibly believe him. When he posted that comment which I thought was for me to read, I didn’t know what to say. Do I want to call to outright call him a liar? Or play along with his stupid game to annoy his enemies?
Amazingly I get hate mail because the Haters claim I’m saying deragatory things about JP and the SAO’s when in reality all I’m doing is stating my opinion.
I’m not lying when I say this site is NOT affiliated with Jose Baez. I’m not lying like this so-called Judge Perry blog that suddenly popped up in Feb 2011. I wonder how many people believe JP has a blog?? IMO, MD should have been arrested for criminal mischief for intefering with the judicial process.
Sorry for the rant but Judge Perry is the WRONG judge for this case. His rush to justice is impeding on Anthony’s right to a fair trial. Grrrr…

Why don’t any of you email or write to Judge Perry and let him know what he is doing wrong because I don’t see how it helps just by posting on a blog? If you are having problems in how a judge is doing you must make your voices heard instead of blogging. Why not start a petition online to have him removed from the case, maybe you can stop him in his tracks that way. LOL The only ones who have problems with a judge and don’t do anything about it are considered only big mouths and hide behind their keyboards.

Melinda,
You’re asking why don’t I send a letter or email to Judge Perry?? And you say that I’m a big-mouth hiding behind a keyboard. Aren’t you doing the same? You’ve posted here before using a different screen name. LMAO!!
So for this one-time I will address you instead of throwing your comment out into the trash pile where it belongs.
I don’t write or email ANYONE affiliated with this trial, not to the defense, not to the SAO’s, and certainly NOT to the judge. It’s not in my agenda to insert myself into this case. All I want is a fair trial for Casey Anthony.
As for this particular blog?? I assume you read them often or you wouldn’t have found mine. YOU’RE a JOKE!!
Get to stepping!! hahaha

I listened to the one woman potential juror yesterday, It was like rehearsed and really prepared to give just the right answers. Shows she desperately wants to be on this jury. This is scary! She is such a well informed woman and yet never watches any tv, listens to the news, follows any stories or the like. JB may know the law the best of any one, so it is said, but that does not mean that he does not also know how to manipulate with his comforting demeanor. He clearly favors the state and that turns me off. The state is so confident in what they have will put Casey to death so is it wrong to allow the defense to defend her against the circumstantial evidence if the state is so positive. I don’t get it, the state presents their case, they have the lead, they claim all the pertinent evidence and yet they seem to be quite worried the defense might be able to rebuke some of their certainties. Why would they be worried? I sure hope we can at least experience “two” sides to this trial, without Ashton objecting and interrupting every breath the defense takes. Not much said about it publicly yet I can believe JA has already started planning his book about his great work putting a young mother to death on circumstantial evidence, OR …how he thinks the defense got away with murder. Objection your honor!!! When the judge asks the potential juror if they would object to the DP then LWOP, isn’t that prejudging and stating this jury is to find Casey guilty of murder your sentence has to be one or the other. I honestly did not know a judge could suggest the jury has to make a choice between the two only. What if one becomes a juror and is perfectly honest but because of the lack of guilty without a reasonable doubt decides Casey should not be found guilty. Does she still either get dp OR lwop? Call me dumb, I don’t care. If JP cheated on his wife, he knows how to manipulate. Too smooth for me right now. imo. Can I be prosecuted for writing this stuff? Save me!

Thanks Zuben for keeping us informed on the impious Judge Perry blog w/DONATION option. LOL
I wonder what moron thought to do this?? I would hope Judge Perry wouldn’t do such a thing but I might be wrong. This is the “Anthony” trial so anything is possible. I didn’t think a protester/George Anthony a$$-kicker would make the jury pool either.

Comment,
Very good comment! What I’m beginning to notice is this little speech JP is giving every potential juror is telling them what to say to make the jury. It’s obvious to me that he’s informing the PJ to give the right answers to the defense so they’ll make it on the jury.
I don’t think this is proper because in essence he’s actually choosing Casey’s peers when in fact her attorney and the SAO’s should have the say so not the judge.

Comment,
I’m not sure if this will answer your question..there are 2 other options for the jury to consider. They could decide Casey is guilty of felony child abuse or felony child neglect.
IIRC when I searched these charges either one of them could get Casey up to 15yrs.

I definitely don’t trust this pj #1055. She says this is a monumental case yet she doesn’t know much about her. BS.
Okay, from my elementary mathemathical calculations..If in fact that 97% of Pinellas County thinks KC is guilty, Judge Perry would have to go thru at least 1940 potential jurors to find 20 impartial jurors. Any math majors out there?
It makes this time restraint that JP has imposed impossible, IMO. He’ll need at least 3-4 weeks.

What does everyone think of #1055? She doesn’t read the paper because of all the bad things in the world, but she is for the death penalty?….she watches The Discovery ID channel, yet never followed this case? Strange dichotomy here.

Judge Eaton said he has his whole library at the bench at his computer. So, my question is, why doesn’t Perry? Does he have to be greater than the cheif judge or does he have it at his fingertips but is consulting with someone behind closed doors?

JB, I watched as you and Zuben and crew have discussed, analyzed, commented an blogged about the Anthony case. You are well aware of the reason for my posting under this name and I have no problem with you sharing this info with Zub. My post today is as always to encourage you to continue your search for the truth and never back down from having a brain and using it well. Your insights and quest for the truth in a vast wasteland of unproven gossip and mistruths provided by the money grubbing media. You know my personal feelings about this case, I believe something happened to Caylee in Caseys care. What, When, Where, Why and How remains to be proven. How does that equal a death penalty case? Your Blog is a think tank and that cant be a bad thing. Carry on girlfriend.

Just for the record the last prospective jurist sounded like she was applying for the job and wanted it in a bad way. I watch a lot of ID TV and it is all crime, murder, whodunits and media spin on the same. If that is where this ladies interest lays there is no way she is clueless about this case.

Kathy, that’s what I am talking about too, judge Perry is not leaving good vibes in my head at all. There is too much adoration of him which seems to be from those who want to be one of his acquaintances hoping to get a pat on the back. Of course I am looking at this case as “Innocent until PROVEN guilty” I notice those who adore his every action have already publicly expressed their firm belief that Casey is guilty of premediated murder. That’s another thing I believe JP should ask the PJs. “Do you believe in “innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”? I would love to hear the answers on that one.

Hi Stalking Feet,
Glad you dropped in. You were missed. I do know who you are and I strongly support your viewpoint in this case. To believe Casey used bad judgment which caused Caylee’s death could very well be the case and I could not agree more, this is NOT a death penalty case.
No cause of death..no viable motive..it’s an enigma to me. I just don’t see it.
Thank you so much for your support. I’m glad that this blog is a think tank. I wish others would see it the same way. We’re the “Fence Sitters” 🙂
Unfortunately, not everyone is as intelligent as you are. There are people out there who are actually challenging me to show up at the court house and face off with the protesters. lol..this is insanity.
I know, I think that woman thought it was a job interview. OMG..If she likes the ID channel so I know once she heard about this case she was on it like white on rice. She probably has done more research than we have…lol

Hi there Stalking feet. I completely agree. I liked the last juror though. She seemed genuine. We’ve seen Perry stand his ground on a 2nd thing with Ashton. I’m sure part of his objection to this woman is her color and perhaps Perry suspected that too, considering his quick and sharp response.. She answered the questions appropriately. No juror is require to be ready to drop the guillotine at this point. Many will have to take a long hard look at this issue, sitting in that witness box. I think she’ll do the right thing.

Hello Everyone! Thanks for the comments….it’s the only way I’m keeping up. I’ve had to be in and out over the past few days, so I’ve missed a lot.

Innocent until proven guilty should be how everyone is looking at this trial, in my opinion. No one has heard the state’s case in chief…..and no one has heard the defense’s case in chief. What everyone has heard is the media’s case in chief. I hear the majority opinionators talking about how they have read the documents and depositions…..and from THAT, and not the media, they have made their decision. In my opinion, they have NOT made a decision based on the documents. They made their decision based on 31 days, on GA and CA in the media, and on the media’s “legal analysts”. Whatever caused them to make that decision as to Casey’s guilt….they are entitled to hold those opinions.

HOWEVER….when it comes down to how the judicial system in the USA is supposed to work, those decisions need to be left outside of the courtroom until such time as the state and the defense have completed their cases in chief. That’s what the constitution of this great land dictates. What the constitution was counting on is that people would be more willing to listen to facts before they rendered a verdict one way or another. And what the authors of the constituion could not foresee was how the media would grow and evolve into an entertainment, gossip-based entity that reached into homes, cars and offices every single day via more than one means.

Having said all of that, let’s suppose just for one moment that the PJs in this instance are all willing to lay aside any preconceived notions of guilt or innocense (which, IMO, they are not able to do). My beef is this……these people who have been so inundated and saturated with media and legal analysis and “opinions” of friends and neighbors for 3 years KNOW the scope of this trial. Most are able to remember the OJ trial, and remember it well. Taking that all into account, my supposition is that the majority of these people are seeing dollar signs flashing before their eyes. They are viewing this case as a way to gain notariety as well as fat cash…..through media interviews and books. Let’s face it……many of them think they won the freakin’ lottery when they got to the courthouse and realized that they were being considered for jury duty on the Casey Anthony case. And are any of these people willing to go against popular opinion when deciding Casey’s fate? Are any of them of strong enough character to stand against the group if they truly disagree with the conclusion that some of the others come to??

I can only say that it is my prayer that they can and will…..but I doubt it. Thus far today, I’ve heard two small snips of PJs being questioned, and one changed his anwer after 3 times of being “coached” by the judge (who had to ask 3 times…..if I instructed you to consider age, maturity, etc, as a mitigating factor, could you follow that instruction?). It seems that it is pointless for either the state or the defense to be present during this voir dire, since JP is obviously going to seat whomever he chooses to seat on this jury……..and it doesn’t matter to him because it’s not his life on the line. As long as things go according to his timetable, he could care less about anything else.

The website for the judge……ridiculous. I wonder if the judge knows it’s there, and if he does, why it is STILL there. As for the discussion that Rhondala (I think) linked last night about the MzFoo who attended as a spectator yesterday…..WOW. I had suspicions and she totally confirmed them. This trial is nothing more than a farce. The defense team should go to a higher court before it proceeds. I give them credit for persevering through this.

I’m disgusted by this whole mess. Belvin Perry Jr is making a mockery of something that we should all hold near and dear……the right of the accused to a fair trial with an impartial jury of peers and an UNBIASED judge. His dislike of Baez is obvious, and I pray it is not going noticed by the higher courts.

JB after spending my entire adult working life upholding the law it makes me wonder about the state of our society when people want to involve themselves in violent confrontations over things that had nothing to do with them to start with. If they do not care for your views, don’t read them, but support your right to differ. Interpretation is in the eye of the beholder. LOL
In all honesty I am so very glad I am not in the shoes of the Anthony family. I had high hopes for a fair and unimpeeded trial, thanks to the circus atmosphere if a gulity verdict is brought in the appeals will go on for years to come, (and rightly so JMHO) at taxpayer expense. Of course if the fine folks of my state give her the Death Penalty the appeals will go on for years anyway. The media should have let this young woman have her day in court. I do not even want to get started on the protesters (Where were the cops while this was going on night and day?) Throw in Leonard P and this has the makings of one hell of a mess. I still await the evidence and police theory as to how Caylee died.

I think difference of opinion is what makes the world go around!! I don’t hate folks who think Casey is guilty….but neither do I go around to other websites confronting them or leaving rude comments about them. Like you said….I disagree with them, so I don’t read their blogs…..It’s as simple as that!! Why do people have such a hard time with that? Why do people feel so threatened by folks who have an opinion that is different than their own?

And like you, I value this country and our laws. I value the honest people who work day in and day out to defend it. However, I have a very hard time with folks who twist the law to suit themselves, and with people who are in the position to administrate or oversee that law, whether it be to enforce it, create it or interpret it, who abuse that power for personal gain…..either a win, a “cover my own butt”, money, promise of future profit, etc. These sort of people make me ill, literally, and are worse than common criminals.

I don’t know if anyone will know this answer, but….about this ‘MzFoo’….was she one of the 2 heavy women with the very loud clothing in the back of the courroom yesterday, who seemed to be giving Casey the stink eye?

Omar, that has been my stand from the beginning of this clustermous fornicatimous. The Sunshine Laws have been stretched and misused due to the fact that most of our laws are poorly written, open to interpretation and loop holes abounding. This particular law was an attempt to stop the “Good Old Boys” from their late night wheeling and dealing, while plundering the state/local coffers. It was not originally intended to allow the media to delve into all aspects of peoples lives. The blatant misuse of this law irks me no end and has us “village peons” rumbling as we speak. Maybe this will be the case that makes Tallahassee sit up and notice. But, in the meantime the National Enquirer can tell which court officer is in foreclosure, had a speeding ticket, bankruptcy and who is getting divorced in the midst of this capital murder case. In the meantime how many rights will be violated of the accused right to a fair trial?

Midwest Mom, I didn’t catch that detail about a juror but I certainly do remember Nazario in the docs. I believe I saw it possible to make that trip during a couple of times that the phone showed no activity. I’ve always wondered why they just discounted her repot simply because there was nothing in the computer. The only ones recorded are the ones that apply. I wondered if she was required to tell them who the dad is in order to be eligible, and changed her mind.

MaryAnn, welcome. Yes, very respectable site here and some people that think before they speak or form opinions, who want the facts before they jump to judgment.

Does Perry have a right to set 12 jurors without any alternates? They’ve already had one leave sick? Seems pretty dangerous and careless to me.

Oh my goodness, StalkingFeet!! I know. And the judge knows why the Sunshine laws were enacted….but he is taking his ability to twist them to an extreme…..and he is overstepping his authority during this jury selection. It makes me ill. I do, indeed, hope Tallahassee sits up and takes notice!!! And I hope you “villagers” (you are definitely NOT a peon!) start screaming loud enough for Tallahassee to hear. I’m from Illinois, so I do not think they would take me seriously in Tallahassee, or else I would have already been screaming.

Hi Kathy….I don’t know if MzFoo (or whatever her name is, LOL) is one of the two you have mentioned. If I hadn’t read the link left last night, I would have never even realized that there were spectators in the room. I knew that Bill Scheaffer and some other media type folks were there (like Brad Conway, who is no longer a lawyer, but now a media type IMOO), but I truly didn’t know that the general public was there.

Exactly, Kathy!! I have zero respect for BS (but I do think that it’s providence that his initials are BS!) and certain other legal analysts who have commented on this case. So far, the only legal expert that has offered any commentary that I view as somewhat fair and impartial is Judge Eaton.

Omar….That shouldn’t even be allowed…that ‘legal experts’ that are currently speaking out about cases like this one should be so friendly with one side or another..it just seems inherently wrong! Of course whatever BS ( ‘BS’…LOL 🙂 ), writes or says will be skewed by his friendship with JA.

How is Brad Conway able to sit in at Nancy Grace etc, and talk about his former clients the Anthony’s family dynamics? Where is the Florida Bar and Ethics Committee while all of this is taking place? Perhaps M. Lippman will sue on behalf of the Anthony’s. The sickening smell of blood in the legal cesspool has brought on a feeding frenzy of bottom feeders.
Damn I just remembered why I quit posting. LOL Sorry JB I get worked up.

And to answer your question….the Florida Bar and Ethics Committee is busy looking into Jose Baez for purchasing a new suit during the coarse of this investigation. I’m certain they do not have time to waste on looking into true ethical issues.

LOL Stalking! Of course you should. There are attrocities happening in this case, so let’s set our priorities straight!! Jose spent money, probably at least 20 times over the past 3 years, to get his HAIR CUT. Can we say, “waste of taxpayer money”????? Hello.

Are we at recess?? Or are we done for the day?

Comment…you’re right. I think BS was miffed from the beginning that he wasn’t asked to be on the defense team. CM said in his interview that there are 2 local “legal analysts” who do legal commentary for local stations who he heard ask to be on the case, and both were told “no thank you”. CM said they are jealous. One of them has to be bill scheaffer. The other….well, we can only speculate, but another local Orlando attorney with is OWN blog and his OWN opionion that CM and Jose are idiots, which he says often enough, adamently denies that he is the other. I guess I can’t call him a liar. I just don’t know another local Orlando attorney who does legal commentary for local Orlando TV stations.

Waaahaaaa, Brad Conway. What in the name of the Lord makes you think you can go on Nancy Grace or any other TV show and speak about the Anthonys? You may not have said anything that was not already out in the public domain via documents, but you have NO RIGHT discussing the Anthonys at all because you are no longer representing them. You should keep your pie hole shut and quit trying to cash in on the case. You are no longer involved….but because you once were, there is an appearance of impropriety from which you must ABSTAIN. Geesh. If he had been my attorney, I would have sued and filed an ethical complaint, too.

Rhondala….Thank you for the link. Is ‘MzFoos’ the one in black who ‘accidently’ walked into the jury room? She managed to inject herself into the middle of things quite nicely.
I ditto Omar…We’re happy you’re here. Can’t wait to hear more of your thoughts! Goodnight.

Omar…You hit the nail on the head with Brad Conway! What was he thinking? Did he just miss being in the spotlight?

Kathy….that’s what I’m thinking. Once he quit as Cindy and George’s attorney….no news vans were parked outside his office and he began to feel left out. He had to think of SOMETHING to keep his name out there. After all, NeJame still represents TES, and Brad and NeJame are in the same building. Sounds to me like he didn’t like giving up the limelight.

How did MzFoo “accidently” walk in the jury room? Was there not a baliff at the door? I would imagine that the jury room is not off a main hall and that it is clearly marked as to what the room was for.

I would sue Conway too if I were the Anthony’s. Why in the world would he go on TV and talk about them. Oh lord I bet Padilla shows back up soon! Lol the case has been quiet until now. There is no telling who will come out of the woodworks!

No kidding, Firefly. Padilla is probably chomping at the bit to get some TV time during this trial.

MzFoo was sent to the jury room by a court deputy who mistook her as a potential juror. The sad thing was, she said that, although she was there as only a spectator and not as a potential juror, some of the potential jurors had been sitting beside her in the courtroom, apparently unnoticed, and that the jurors were not being watched by the court officers while they were waiting to be called for questioning. Scarey, really, when you think about it, huh?

I would hope the ones sitting in the courtroom when they were not suppose to be get released! They know how huge this trail is why r they not being watched! This is insane! They should havd them all in one room with two or three court officers. How long were they in the court room before someone noticed? Seriously do they not know how make potinal juriors there are? You would think that theyy got there check in and out every time they left the room and depending on what they were doing there would be a time limit on how long they are out of the room. Is it really that hard to watch adults!

Wow, lots of good comments, I’m sorry I missed everybody tonight.
I have a shocking story I’ve been waiting to share but wanted to ask my friend if it was okay before I did. Well, she came over tonight for dinner. After we began talking about the Anthony case when she reminded me what had happened to her 8yo & 5yo nephews here in Orleans parish in 1980. Surprisingly, she asked me if I would tell her family’s horrific story here.

1980, her S-I-L was in the midst of getting a divorce. Her soon to be ex-husband had visitation with the two boys for the weekend. Debbie, mother of Mike and Joey was to pick up the boys on Sunday afternoon. She nonchalantly knocked on his door and loaded them up in the car. As she was backing out of the driveway, her husband Mike King came running out of the front door with a gun, he stuck the gun inside the car, first shooting Debbie in the head twice. Then he shot each of his sons twice in the head, then fled in his truck.
Debbie who I had met only once at my friend’s wedding was in a coma for 2 weeks, she somehow survived. Debbie’s father who lived a few houses down happened to be driving by when he saw his daughter’s car in a ditch, the motor still running. He jumped out of his car and pulled both boys out of Debbie’s car. The poor man tried feverishly to save his grandsons. Poor little Mike the oldest died on the scene, the younger boy Joey died in the hospital a few hours later. LE found Mike King Sr. within hours driving around in his truck. He was quickly arrested.
This was the saddest story I’d ever heard.
The grandfather Mr. John had to make all of the funeral arrangements for the boys while his daughter laid in a coma. When Debbie finally came to she didn’t know what happened. When her family tried to tell her what happened, she was hysterical and didn’t believe them. They had to bring her to the gravesite to prove it to her.
These boys were beautiful, the grandfather had their Christmas presents, 2 of the hottest bicycles he could buy waiting in his garage for both of those children. Debbie had to go thru years of therapy, both physical and mental.
If this isn’t a death penalty case, then I don’t know what is. Shockingly, Mike King served 6 years in prison.
My friend asked this question. What makes Casey Anthony so special? Why didn’t her nephew’s prosecutors ask for the same justice Caylee is to receive? I couldn’t give her an answer.

JB, what a horrible, sad story. I don’t care how evolved or progressive anyone claims we are, we aren’t that far beyond the Neanderthal mentality. During the time I was entering adulthood, the civil rights movement was maturing and children were bused to other schools, to force non segregation. Domestic violence was off limits for police, a man had a right to beat and rape his wife. I have a friend, a few years my senior, that was beat by her 1st husband, her nose so badly broken it still shows to this day. The police would do nothing.

Now, the scales have tipped so far to the other side, a person of color is often guaranteed a job whether they want it or not, no matter how more qualified the pale faced competitor is. But at the same time they are 99% more likely to be accused of a crime, guilty or not, and fill our jails to overflowing. A woman doesn’t have to be her husband’s victim and property, but now a girl can have a man arrested and branded for life just for touching her, whether she invited it or not. Women must be allowed into the traditional male workplace but they are often sexual objects and used as workplace servants, assigned the muscle work, while their male counterparts sit on their butts, in my experience and observation.

All humans are not treated equally in this country that brags just the opposite. We are not the land of the free and need to become much brave in order to balance the scales. I’m sure this man was given a sentence so small because he took out his own family, his property. The collective unconscious of mankind is still very uncivilized and immature. Their may be laws to protect women and their children but that doesn’t mean they will be applied and exercised properly and equally. Women are still considered the servants of men. It is their job to care for and protect their property, in the back of their minds, without pay. If they fail to do that, they will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law while they protect their own kind.

This is my opinion, of course, but it is an informed and experienced opinion. I spent some years, during and after the end of my 28 year marriage, in a male dominated field, as a machinist. I out produced every man their as I developed and increased my skills. The 1st shop used me as their entertainment, being the only woman on the shift, gawking, staring, making comments about my voluptuous nursing breasts, when I remarried and had my last son (surprise, surprise!). Someone tampered with my breast pump in the woman’s bathroom. I don’t even want to imagine what he did with it. Needless to say my baby didn’t have as much milk the next day. In the other shop I worked in, there were a couple other women. We did the most heavy manual labor. The men ran the computer run, CNC machines, sitting down, pushing a button every once in a while. I ran those machines once in a while but mostly operated a WWII manual lathe that took over 50 pounds sideways thrust, just to lock the clutch, 10 hours a day. I was the utility person, doing all manual labor. I ended up with ulnar and median nerve issues. I was told if I didn’t submit to a functional analysis, after I demanded they stop giving me only this work due to my physical complications, I would not be considered to a review or raise. I had to stop the test when I lifted a 40# box over my head and back to the floor and have had lower back pain ever since. I was more than capable of lifting more than that weight and did so all my life, so it isn’t that I was out of shape or weak. When I was sent to the parent company for a couple days, I was the only woman in the machine shop. The man in charge of the finishing department, where he lead all women, told someone he wanted me there as part of his harem. I told him I don’t think so!. Grrr

Sorry for the long story. I just want to share a not so ancient story that shows we have not evolved that much. Can someone post details that are important today? I might not be able to hear any of the hearing.

I’m so sorry for what you had to go thru as a woman in a man’s world. I’m appalled by the comment made to you “now you’ll be part of his harem” OMG.. I know you proved that wrong..lol
I guess you’re right..we really haven’t evolved much in the big picture.

In the case of my other comment, I’m not sure if there were other signs of abuse but in the 80s such things were looked down upon so it’s a possibility. Few women admitted to it.
The monster who killed his two sons and almost their mother, he came from a very influencial family. Honestly I didn’t follow the trial much because there was very little of it to read. I always wondered about that too.
I’m assuming he plead out because of some mental rhetoric of being despondent because of the divorce papers he received that morning, who knows…
I remember that Mr. John, up until the day he died would not let go of the bicycles he bought. They were found untouched and dusty in his garage when he passed. This family was never the same. very sad..