RoyalDude wrote: Who the fuck cares about Old Man Pahlsson, we traded CoHo for Kassian. This isn't about Pahlsson, Sulzer, Gragnani whatever. The heart of the deal was Kassian for CoHo. So, no matter how you try to lawyer it it, it is always going to be Kassian vs CoHo forever in Canuck history.

If we do not acquire Påhlsson, there is no CoHo for Kassian deal. The GM looks at the whole picture. With Påhlsson available, CoHo became expendable and Kassian fills a more pressing need.

RoyalDude wrote:I just don't buy the logic that we had to much skill at centre. Pat Lafontaine played like 3 or 4 years at 3rd line centre with the Islanders behind Trottier, Goring and Brent Sutter. What was the rush with Cody, this was his rookie year wasn't it? Joe Sakic played a couple years behind Peter Stastny and Dale Hunter. The Centre position, outside of goaltending is the most important position in hockey and we squandered it for a 4th line winger, no offense to Kassian, I like him, but seriously, skilled young centreman are hard to get.

And I think this is the worry most Canucks fans have, Dude. Nobody is deluding themselves, this could come back and hurt the Canucks BIG TIME. It also has the potential to give the Canucks something they sorely lack, and when taken alongside the Pahlsson deal, makes us better immediately in more than one area of the ice.

We've known for a long time (well most of us) that we had a special player in Hodgson. Kassian is a different beast entirely, but is one the Canucks haven't had since Todd went berserk. He's the kind of player that can score a goal, fight your tougher players and then knock someone out with a vicious check. He's a mean mo-fo that can play minutes. These guys don't grow on trees, either. Nobody is claiming he's the next Lucic, but he's certainly got a better offensive pedigree and skates better. There's a reason guys like Marchand can get away with playing dirty and not simply chirping, guys like Lucic (Kassian?) are one. Down the road this will only help guys like Kesler, Lapierre and Burrows be more effective. It also takes the pressure off Bieksa from being our only policeman who can play.

Again, time will tell. We'd be stupid to trade Hodgson if we were a young team looking towards the future. This is a team obviously going for it now. The chances of Hodgson effectively replacing Henrik Sedin down the road are extremely slim. Once the Sedins are gone we probably won't be any better than we are now. Asset management. You acquire a traditional "third-line" centre. Your current third line centre can net you a potential (down the road) top-6 beast of a winger and a PP defenceman. I would say Gillis' asset management is pretty good in this one. We traded a future top-6 Centre for a potential future top-6 winger with size and a D-man who's put up amazing numbers wherever he's played.

The acquisition of Shutdown Specialist Pahlsson and his exciting brand of hockey, replacing the young skilled Hodgson has me nearly Shut Down from all the excitement that a player of Pahlssson's ilk brings to the table - Shut Down hockey at its finest. I look forward to the great display of fine checking by Pahlsson and zero creativity and will not miss the creative, offensive skill work of Cody Hodgson and that great shot of his and vision for setting teamates up with glorious chances.

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RoyalDude wrote:The acquisition of Shutdown Specialist Pahlsson and his exciting brand of hockey, replacing the young skilled Hodgson has me nearly Shut Down from all the excitement that a player of Pahlssson's ilk brings to the table - Shut Down hockey at its finest. I look forward to the great display of fine checking by Pahlsson and zero creativity and will not miss the creative, offensive skill work of Cody Hodgson and that great shot of his and vision for setting teamates up with glorious chances.

Gotta keep the suits happy. You know they spend most of the game on their cell phones and can't be expected to get excited by slick plays or nice passing. They need to look up and see a 2-1 final for the good guys. Also, excessive cheering or excitement tends to shut down conference calls with Hong Kong...

When the deal was done I said I did not like it, maybe in the off season but not now. Kassian was not going to bring anything to the team this season to help them win the SC. I said that CH scoring was more important as it takes pressue of the top 2 lines and I was told secondary scoring was a luxury. Thinking Kassian may help in 2 - 3 years is bad planning, this team needs to win now and go for it. They have a short window of opportunity and just look no further that SJ on how easily a team can fall.

I am not in the locker room so I don't know the truth about what CH and/or his agent really asked for or how they acted with MG but somehow I feel AV had something to do with this deal happening at the time it did. One problem this team has (and still does) are the tough guys who can hit hard and fight when needed, last season with Glass and who ever else was on the 4th line they never did anything to help the team win against Boston.

This year if the Nucks come up against a team like Bos I do not see Kassian at 21 being the answer but CH may chip in a few goals that would help. I will stand by my belief that the deal was bad for this team at the time it was made.

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RoyalDude wrote:The acquisition of Shutdown Specialist Pahlsson and his exciting brand of hockey, replacing the young skilled Hodgson has me nearly Shut Down from all the excitement that a player of Pahlssson's ilk brings to the table - Shut Down hockey at its finest. I look forward to the great display of fine checking by Pahlsson and zero creativity and will not miss the creative, offensive skill work of Cody Hodgson and that great shot of his and vision for setting teamates up with glorious chances.

I keep forgetting, who scored the game winning goal against Winnipeg again?

I feel bad for Zack Kassian cause the local media and fans here in Canuckland have pumped this 21 year old kid to be the guy that will take care of the Staubitz and Lucic of the NHL and create offense like Cam Neely. Terrible to put this kind of pressure on the kid to be that guy. I watched that fight last night peeking through my fingers. Glad I did.

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate