<quoted text>We have previously had those discussions here and I brought out the very same points. Then you have the fact that words mean different things to different people.I consider myself a libertarian because I want efficient government and low taxes.I have also pointed out that the worst parts of our local area are no government places, while the high tax, high government parts of town tend to be the nicest areas.That said, let's take a look at the each individual question in the survey:1. Government should not censor speech, press, media, or internet.I FOR ALL FREE SPEECH.2. Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft.I'M NOT SENDING MY KIDS TO SPILL BLOOD FOR THE JEWS.3. There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults.50/50 ON THIS ONE. AS WE ALL CAN SEE, THE WHEELS HAVE FALLEN OFF OF SOCIETY SINCE EVERYBODY WENT TO FREE LOVE AND FREE SEX.4. Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs.THEY'RE DOING DRUGS ANYWAY.5. There should be no National ID card.THERE ALREADY IS - IT'S CALLED YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CARD.1. End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business.YEP.2. End government barriers to international free trade.50/50 - FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE. WE SHOULD PUT UP BARRIERS WHERE BARRIERS ARE PUT UP AGAINST AMERICAN COMPANIES.3. Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security.THEORETICALLY, YES. IN REALITY, HOWEVER, PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TO SAVE FOR RETIREMENT SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONTROL. OTHERWISE, WE ARE STILL GOING TO GET STUCK WITH THE TAB FOR THEIR RETIREMENT.4. Replace government welfare with private charity.THEORETICALLY, YES. BUT NOT PRACTICAL IN TODAY'S AGE.5. Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more.ABSOLUTELY.

Free speech - Local government discretion. Pornography and threats are not legitimate speech.

Military Draft - local government discretion. No involuntary servitude at all higher government levels.

Sex - local government discretion. Sodomy is not sex, and causes disease incubation and proliferation. Elective abortion is evil. Hedonism should not be encouraged as it leads to sodomy and abortion, typical of queers.

Repeal drug laws - local government discretion. Recreational drug use lead to indolence and social dependence and crime.

National ID - only need a state issued ID for verifying eligibility to vote.

Corporate welfare - local governemnt discretion. The people decide what industries they want to subsidize, not the national government.

Trade Barriers - Only as necessary to protect military defense assets. All others traders must compete for consumers using whatever means at their disposal.

Retirement - local government discretion. Retirement benefits are not a delegated power from the people to big government.

Welfare - local government discretion. Communal welfare benefits are not a delegated power from the people to big government.

Taxes and Spending - eliminate national income tax. Replace with apportioned debt according to state population, and handled by state government. No direct taxation of people or corporations by big government.

The average libertarian expects big government to define and respect and protect his liberty.In reality, big government defines and protects liberty for the organized voting majority, and the organized majority in the US and Israel refers to itself as Diversity.The typical libertarian also claim to hate all government, while simultaneously expecting big government to define and protect and respect his ill-defined liberty. Good luck with that second amendment thing buddy, because thinking people realize you are fugged when big government says sodomy and abortion and pornography and medical care rights trump gun owner rights.The libertarian claims that all government is bad, including local government by the people, not admitting of course that his uncompromising gun-toting swagger makes him a weak and primitive form of local government.Basically, the average libertarian is a stupid and disorganized person.

I think you've described pseudo-conservatives not Libertarians.

I consider myself one and every test I've ever taken on the subject scores me highly as one.

Go to lp.org and read around. Nothing you've claimed will be found anywhere there. Further the writings of Harry Browne will give you an accurate picture.

The Libertarians split from the Republicans 4 decades ago over principles, which the Republicans had none.

<quoted text>Free speech - Local government discretion. Pornography and threats are not legitimate speech.Military Draft - local government discretion. No involuntary servitude at all higher government levels.Sex - local government discretion. Sodomy is not sex, and causes disease incubation and proliferation. Elective abortion is evil. Hedonism should not be encouraged as it leads to sodomy and abortion, typical of queers.Repeal drug laws - local government discretion. Recreational drug use lead to indolence and social dependence and crime.National ID - only need a state issued ID for verifying eligibility to vote.Corporate welfare - local governemnt discretion. The people decide what industries they want to subsidize, not the national government.Trade Barriers - Only as necessary to protect military defense assets. All others traders must compete for consumers using whatever means at their disposal.Retirement - local government discretion. Retirement benefits are not a delegated power from the people to big government.Welfare - local government discretion. Communal welfare benefits are not a delegated power from the people to big government.Taxes and Spending - eliminate national income tax. Replace with apportioned debt according to state population, and handled by state government. No direct taxation of people or corporations by big government.

And you have the nerve to call folks who believe in the very basis our our country, individual liberty, loonies?

It sounds to me like you need the local government to wipe your butt also.

"Sodomy laws in the United States were largely a matter of state rather than federal jurisdiction, except for laws governing the U.S. Armed Forces. In 1963, the penalties for sodomy in the various states varied from imprisonment for two to ten years and/or a fine of US$2,000.[36] By 2002, 36 states had repealed all sodomy laws or had them overturned by court rulings. The remaining sodomy laws were invalidated by the 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas."

<quoted text>The basis of the nation is the US constitution, not your imagination.

LOL

You constitutionalists are just as annoying as people who try to strictly follow their version of the bible.

The Constitution is nothing special. It isn't sacred text and it isn't the last word handed down by God. The Constitution is just another set of laws and no different than the Ohio Revised Code. It just takes more votes to change it.

<quoted text>LOLYou constitutionalists are just as annoying as people who try to strictly follow their version of the bible.The Constitution is nothing special. It isn't sacred text and it isn't the last word handed down by God. The Constitution is just another set of laws and no different than the Ohio Revised Code. It just takes more votes to change it.

The bible is fiction, the US constitution is not fiction.

You don't know the difference between fact and fiction

That's a tell-tale sign of psychosis.

The US constitution contains a method to amend it; that's why there are amendments to it now. Read Article 5 after you get done admiring your gay porn magazine.

How can you intelligently change anything in a document when you obviously don't understand what the documents says now in plain english?

<quoted text>LOLYou constitutionalists are just as annoying as people who try to strictly follow their version of the bible.The Constitution is nothing special. It isn't sacred text and it isn't the last word handed down by God. The Constitution is just another set of laws and no different than the Ohio Revised Code. It just takes more votes to change it.

It is sad that you don't understand that every US president, US senator, US representative, US federal judge, and US military officer and US civil service swears an oath to the US constitution, not the bible.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The oath is not fiction, peabrain, unlike the bible.

You are a poignant example of why libertine party people are not taken seriously by anyone with half a brain.

<quoted text>The basis of the nation is the US constitution, not your imagination.The 9th and 10th amendment make it clear who reserves all non-delegated law making power, and it isn't the leviathan government you imagine and desire.Here it is, because you don't appear to be too familiar with the real the basis of the nation...Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."The beauty of the 9th and 10th is that if you don't like the local government you live under, change it peacefully or move elsewhere to another local govenrment of your preference.That's true Diversity, not the freakshow that rules the US and Israel at present, for which you are a cheerleader.

Wait, we started with the Constitution. That's the basis. The amendments are changes or clarifications made to the base document.

Amendment 9 seems to expound on individual liberty by stating that rights not enumerated were also valid.

Tell me exactly how promoting a less restrictive, truly smaller federal government works against the constitution in any way?

Further, state, county and local governments need to be trimmed as well. That's where we differ, I want all governmental control reduced or minimized, you just want to shift total power to your local government. Sorry, I don't want to pay for that.

<quoted text>It is sad that you don't understand that every US president, US senator, US representative, US federal judge, and US military officer and US civil service swears an oath to the US constitution, not the bible.Here is the presidential oath...

Big deal.

What is a law? A set of rules written by government officials.

How does a law get passed? They vote on it and the vote gets ratified by an executive officer/

Again, how is your hallowed "constitution" any different from these garden variety laws?

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