VL 5.9 has HAL support installed by default. It correctly pops up a desktop icon for each removable media volume. Cool! VL-Hot pops up two more of it's own. Three icons per volume is a mess! Either HAL needs to go or VL-Hot needs to go. Joe1962 won't like my vote on which one...

I dont think Joe would be against using hal instead of vl-hot, If hal worked reliably.

Oh, but I am, I just refuse to force my preferences on others...

FWIW, IMO and AFAIK, vl-hot is simpler, lighter and way more flexible and configurable than hal (and I have some new surprises cooking). Then again, I haven't looked closely at hal because of my natural aversion to YAPP (Yet Another Polling Process).

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Unable to mount "DISK1S2":A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

If I have vl-hot installed I can get to the usb drive through the hal Icon but it still refuses to umount

Unable to mount "DISK1S2":A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")

If I have vl-hot installed I can get to the usb drive through the hal Icon but it still refuses to umount

I have the same problem with unmounting usb drives. Accessing my usb drives from the hal icon works perfectly. It also shows up on the side of thunar where I can access it without trouble. The same goes for CD-ROM or DVD discs. I can access them fine and everything with HAL but I can also eject them from HAL. The problem with the usb drives may just be a VL or Xfce issue.

Personally I have to say that I like the way HAL works better than VL-Hot but I understand perfectly why some may not like it. (especially Joe1962 )

P.S. Mounting all kinds of drives works for me, just the unmount on usb drives doesn't.

If everything was decided by Polls - would -anythng ever get accomplished ?

LOL, I didn't mean that kind of poll, but rather the fact that hal polls the hardware to notice when a CD is inserted, etc. In a recent, perhaps only slightly related, anecdote I was working at borderline distance to a WiFi AP and winders slowed down to crawl. A bit of detective work narrowed the culprit down to Intel's WiFi applet (whatever they actually call it), detecting the AP, trying to connect, then loosing it again. After unceremoniously killing it, I could get back to work again.

EDIT:@easuter: Regarding CD/DVD drives, my personal preference is a nice icon/icons with click-to-mount, right-click to unmount, no autorun for me, thank you very much...

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A combination of VL-Hot + scripted diskd would probably accomplish the same that HAL does for the average user when it comes to removable media, and probably be a lot lighter on resources too.

I, personally would prefer just HAL as it seems to make life much more simple than a combination of various programs and scripts when we could just have one thing, namely HAL, that did it all. With a VL-Hot + scripted diskd there is also more of a chance that something could go wrong because there are more variables involved. There is a downside to just HAL though and that might be the performance, we need to take a look and see exactly how much of the system's resources it actually uses. But...I'll leave that up to the developers to figure out. Just my vote though, HAL.

I haven't tried any of the new Pseudo's yet due to massive computer trouble, but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion .

I would really dislike to see the Hell-Demon eating cpu I need for gaming, making music or editing video's (also, it's unlikely I'll be hotplugging much when doing so). It would be pretty neat if it could be turned off like most other services in VASM. I'll disable it for sure, one way or another.

I don't want anything to automount my cd's / dvd's. If I want to mount something easily from the desktop I could just add one of them "Link to Device"s to my desktop in kde. All I'd have to do is rightclick and select "Mount".

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Also HAL's policies are defined using XML configuration files (yay! very easy for the average user to configure).

I wonder why they couldn't make a non-polling version of HAL, like vl-hot. Anyway, I think the problem in VL for mount/unmount in xfce is dbus. AFAIK, our dbus config is borked, to some extent. I use dbus commands for pidgin, so I know. I think the problem is that we run the dbus daemon twice, during xinit and at the login shell. I think it should be started during system init to avoid this problem.

I wonder why they couldn't make a non-polling version of HAL, like vl-hot.

Because you really need to poll CDs if you want to automount them, otherwise you'd never know one was put in the drive. Floppy drives had this "disk change line" but I guess they forgot to add one when CD drives were designed...

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