Can stackers make you stay up all night?I suspect meth!

willam
yray

Can stackers make you
stay up all night? I suspect meth!
A condition that I put on my husband for us
to get married back in 2004 is that he clean up and get off of
drugs and we could start with a clean slate. He promised that he
would. He cooked and sold meth before we were married. We had a
child together. I had to file bankruptcy and demanded that he go
back to his mothers up north and clean up his act before we
could have a relationship or get married. He moved up north and
came back with significant weight gain and appeared to be clean.
So we married in 2004. He had a few relapses in 2004 and I had a
fit and threatened divorce. (He would pull all niters staying
gone and lying about it.) Now he just says that he's on stackers
when his behavior is extremely similar to his behavior when he's
on meth. He will stay up late working on house with all this
extra energy and excited and happy behavior. He'll talk to this
one buddy he had when he was on drugs before on the phone. Then
he'll crash and become extremely grumpy if you bother him or try
to get him to help with anything around the house. He always
says he sick or his back hurts when this happens. He'll come
home from work saying he has the flu so he can crash. He will
not miss work though. We have a 5 year old daughter together and
have now been together for a long time. My gut tells me its not
stackers. (Even if it is stackers this behavior is not ok is
it?) I just need some support and advice. I think I want out and
don't know how to go about doing it.

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Lisa

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
*admits ignorance* What are stackers?

jacks
mom

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
If you find a bottle of any kind of diet
'aid' they will still have herbal stimulants in them even if
there is no ephedra.

I'm not saying your man isn't using meth, but I've taken diet
'aids' with gaurana and green tea and yea....it can make you
antsy, and curbs your appetite.

YUCK!!! I hate to feel antsy...

silly
veronica

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
I've taken stackers before and they may have
that effect for a little while, but not long term. How long has
he been like this?

Also, it's obvious he has a drug addiction. What did he use as
recovery tools in the past? Did he just stop using, or did he go
through outpatient or inpatient recovery and/or NA meetings?
Recovery isn't just stopping use. There are underlying issues
that cause him to use, and until those issues are resolved, he
will continue to go back to the meth.

willam
yray

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Stackers are pills that
can be bought over the counter or even online. It is a form of
speed. I don't think you can purchase stackers with ephedra in
the states anymore but I think a person can get them online. You
buy them at places like GNC. My husband writes off his behavior
as being ok as long as its stackers and not meth. I've yet to
see the stacker bottle.

Broken
N2

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Which stackers is he
using #1, #2 or #3?
Stackers #1 contains ephedra
Stackers 2 & 3 claim to be ephedra free & contain "Caffeine
(anhydrous) 250mg".

They could keep you up at night if you abuse them I guess. Why
is he using them?

willam
yray

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
My husband has never
attend any kind of rehab or NA meetings to my knowledge. I
wanted him to go to rehab back in 2003 but he chose instead to
clean himself up by going up north and staying with his family
for a while. I wasn't there to really know what went on. He came
back to me with weight gain. I think he still has a problem with
meth in my heart of hearts. What should I do next? Go to alanon
or just tell him to get out. He's on a high right now. We just
moved into a house.

Broken
N2

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
IMO no!!

Why would he continue to use something that keeps him up all
night long? If he is trying to lose weight...then stackers are
not the answer..
Yeah you might lose weight fast BUT as soon as you stop taking
them I would imagine that you would gain the weight back and
fast. I lost 80 lbs on meth in a few short months...BUT since I
am 172 daze clean I have gained back 50...

If he is an addict and using Stackers he is headed for a fall if
he hasn't fallen already

Loraura

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth

Quote:
I've yet to see the stacker bottle.

There ya go. You already know the truth.

luve
piphany

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
I think you should go to
Alanon or Naranon (if you have a local meeting) and get some
peace so you can make some of the decisions you need to. I
worked in health food stores for many years and one can be just
as addicted to natural speed as meth. Your intuition is probably
right. How often do meth addicts admit their use
to loved ones?-RARELY. You two are married, ask him to go to an
NA meeting with you saying that he had a problem with it before
and he could be a great help to those who are still" struggling"
with it....since he doesn't have a problem or anything...There
are many recovering addicts who go to NA for years and years and
really do enjoy being of service to those newbies and often say
that those meetings keep them sane and clean even years later.
Your husband won't be able to keep hiding his use for long...if
he is using again.

imlost
inky

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth

Quote:
He will stay up late working on house
with all this extra energy and excited and happy behavior.

Sorry - that isn't stackers.
None of them- I have done them all at one time or another.
The ephredras, ephedrine/mini thins, caffeine, Ginseng- you name
it, if it is sold, I have done it.
Happy and excited is a meth only trait. Or something in the
speed family at any rate - coke, speed - nothing you can buy
over the counter.
Stackers will keep you up - but anything but energetic, happy,
excited.
Try irritable ,cranky, bitchy, awake but a** dragging- that is
stackers.
How you handle it is up to you.

The only one you can change is you. The only one you can fix is
you.
You did not cause his addiction.
You can not cure his addiction.
You can not control his addiction.

All the love, fit throwing, bitching in the world won't keep him
from using if he is set on using.
You can not control him - but you sure can put an end to his
addiction controlling you.

danimal
55

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Sounds like classic meth addict behavior
Stackers nor ephedra are "speed", they are mild stimulants
incapable of producing the symptoms you described.
BS and lies are par for the course, standard procedure in light
of the ultimatums you've previously laid down.
Faithfully going to work is an open window to use on a daily
basis, particularly for addicts with a spouse at home.
"up late working...extra energy...excited and happy"
followed by > "crash...extremely grumpy...sick...back hurts"
And the old using "buddy" is a dead give away.
Tip... spring a random drug test on him when he's excited and
happy, it's not "stackers" that's going to show up.
Or better yet, trust your gut...it's very seldom wrong.

Welcome, you'll find the answers you're looking for here,
sooner than you think.

willam
yray

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Thanks everyone. I've
been struggling with this for months in my own mind. I hate to
admit this is really happening again. I will take the advice and
I will stick around this forum for help. God bless you all.

imlost
inky

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
I know - I know
{{{HUGS}}}
The thing is though as scary as it is, it gets much easier with
facing up to the issues at hand.
It's like once you get over the initial OMG, i can't breathe
feel, you find it isn't as earth shaking as you thought it would
be.
There are steps you can take that will put back the power of
your life into your hands.
Where you are not just floundering about, trying to find your
footing.

You can't fix him - but it does feel mighty damn good fixing
you. Once you just take those first steps of Today, just for
today, his addiction will not control me.
Once you find you again and start living again.

You are at the right place for that support.
We have been right where you are- that is why we are here.
To show you that there is life after meth.

guest
who

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
imlostinky is right on
with

Quote:

Stackers will keep you up - but
anything but energetic, happy, excited.
Try irritable ,cranky, bitchy, awake but a** dragging- that
is stackers.

I have taken stackers in all forms and
it's not a feeling of euphoria. If you you aren't sleeping, it's
insomnia and you feel like crap because you can't sleep. You
aren't happy to be awake, you are pissed because you can't
sleep.

Tender
hearts
KS

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Using meth is just a
symptom of the underlying problems. That's why it's strongly
suggested an addict have some sort of 'recovery plan' to live by
(and there are many out there) once they are meth-free.

If my only problem were the meth, it stands to reason that once
I quit, I'd be fine! Far from it. The problem is right between
my ears. My thinking/attitudes were all screwed up. I still have
to work on that on a daily basis. If I don't, I'll eventually go
back to using. Make any sense?

Bent
overNot
Broken

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
Stackers 2 & 3 claim to
be ephedra free & contain "Caffeine (anhydrous) 250mg".
admitting ignorance (borrowing Lisa's phrase)
WHAT kind of Caffeine(s) contain anhydrous? I've never heard,
known, or looked up, or thought anhydrous could be in caffeine?
Is this in all caffeine? Dang if I am not getting scared here.

vctry7

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
BentoverNotBroken,

An ionic crystal is said to be anhydrous if it contains no
water.
Ammonia used commercially is called anhydrous ammonia to
distinguish it from ammonium hydroxide solution, which is
household ammonia.

The above is from Wikipedia.

Freaked me out a little, too. Glad to know caffeine is still as
safe as caffeine can be

no more
mething
around

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
I agree with them....gas
station speed makes you tired and wired.

Not happy. Especially when you've had meth. It's THAT high we're
chasing and Stackers just pissed me off.

danimal
55

Re: Can stackers make you stay up all night? I suspect meth
anhydrous; free from
water

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