dena wrote:He probably should have 4 though, looking at him since say... 2004. He's been very good but not really elite. They've gone one and done a few years in a row, and the times he did get far he got beasted by the Manning face.

You're saying Brady hasn't been elite since 2004? I don't know what your definition of elite is, but it must be pretty fucked up if Brady hasn't been in that category.

In the postseason? No. The first half of Brady's career was that he was a very good regular season QB, nothing too stats crazy, and became a beast in the post season. Now the roles are reversed and he looks like Peyton Manning (beast in regular season, fades in playoffs) prior to this year he had been a one and done two years in a row. They got smacked by Baltimore two years ago and then we got them () last year.

The Pats haven't had the defence they had when they won their 3. They depend on Brady much more now than they did back then. What I think that boils down to is that Brady got a little bit more credit than he deserved back then and a little bit more of the blame than he deserves now.

Still, I don't think number of superbowls necessarily shows how good a player is. It can all be a bit of a lottery. Some of the best QBs ever have had no rings, Dan Marino to name one, and some really shitty have got one, like Trent Dilfer.

Quarterback in the NFL is the most tenuous position in all of sports. If you win, you get all the credit. If you lose, you get all the blame. In terms of how a QB's career will be assessed, what he does in the post season will dwarf what he does in the regular season even though he will play far more regular season games than post season games. It's treacherous territory.

That early safety call really ruined the game since they Giants would have been down by four needing a touchdown and a possible epic goal line stand to end the game. When it comes to a penalty that leads to points if the ref is not completely sure it should not be called. While it looked like Brady threw to no one it could have been a busted route or something stupid. It was a good game but right now it seems slightly tainted.

While the safety call looks bad now it probably could have went either way.