Jesus is allegedly a prophet of Islam, but Jesus prayed to God as His Father, as all Jews and Christians still do, which no Muslim can as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, which begs the question, why is Jesus claimed as a prophet of Islam, when he disobeyed the god he is supposed to be a prophet of?

frankie wrote:Jesus is allegedly a prophet of Islam, but Jesus prayed to God as His Father, as all Jews and Christians still do, which no Muslim can as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son

Daughters, though.

‘Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs and literary traditions. They neither intermarry nor eat together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions.’ Muhammad Ali Jinnah

We have been told that the Apostle of God oncementioned al-Uzza saying, "I have offered a white sheep to al-'Uzza, while I was a follower of the religion of my people." The Quraysh were wont to circumambulate the Ka'bah and say:

"By Allat and al-'Uzza, And Manah, the third idol besides. Verily they are the most exalted females[15] Whose intercession is to be sought[16]."

These were also called "the Daughters of Allah[17]," and were supposed to intercede before God. When the Apostle of God was sent, God revealed unto him [concerning them] the following:

Have you seen Allat and al-'Uzza, and Manah the third idol besides? What? Shall ye have male progeny and God female? This indeed were an unfair partition! These are mere names: ye and your fathers named them thus: God hath not sent down any warranty in their regard[18]."

The Goddesses Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Menat formed a triad in pre-Islamic Arabia. They were widely worshipped: from Nabatean Petra in the North to the legendary Kingdoms of Arabia Felix in the South, including Saba, the Biblical Sheba; as far east as Iran and Palmyra; and the three of them were very popular Goddesses in Mecca at the time of Mohammed. From left they are: Al-Uzza, whose name means "The Mighty One", the Goddess of the Morning Star; Al-Lat, the Mother, whose name means simply "The Goddess", as Al-Lah simply means "The God"; and Manat, Crone-goddess of Fate or Time. Sometimes the three of them are referred to as the daughters of Al-Lah; sometimes Manat and Al-Lat are considered daughters of Al-Uzza.

SAM that clip touches on something you seem to consistently miss.... Mohammed, living many centuries later, rewrote some biblical stories of some characters. He had no way of "correcting" old accounts, as he was no witness to anything in the long distant past.

So why did he do that? Look closely at the details he changed and ask yourself who benefits from this rewrite?

There's no evidence for Al Kalbi's claims. If Al Kalbi had lived in modern times he probably earned his money as science-fiction author, right hand of Goebbels, general manager at Scientology or advisor to Kim Yong-un.

The Goddesses Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Menat formed a triad in pre-Islamic Arabia.

Actually Allat is a single goddess with three epithets or honorably titles:1) Q're, the crescent moon or the maiden (young moon)2) Al'Uzza, literally 'the strong one' (full moon)3) Al'Manat, the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination (waning moon)

They were widely worshipped

No, she was worshipped in Nabataea and parts of Yemen.

Propaganda is to some scholars as a carrot on a stick to donkeys. Karen Armstrong being the prime example on how it can induce a desired behavior.

manfred wrote:SAM that clip touches on something you seem to consistently miss.... Mohammed, living many centuries later, rewrote some biblical stories of some characters. He had no way of "correcting" old accounts, as he was no witness to anything in the long distant past.

So why did he do that? Look closely at the details he changed and ask yourself who benefits from this rewrite?

There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.[12:111]

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

frankie wrote:Jesus is allegedly a prophet of Islam, but Jesus prayed to God as His Father, as all Jews and Christians still do, which no Muslim can as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, which begs the question, why is Jesus claimed as a prophet of Islam, when he disobeyed the god he is supposed to be a prophet of?

Glad you brought that up. I would like to clarify:

Jesus is neither my prophet nor the prophet of Islam. Moses is also not my prophet and neither the prophet of Islam.

Only Muhammad is my prophet and The Prophet of Islam.

Moses, Jesus and others have a place in Qur'aan and Islam as God's prophets or messengers, who were sent to the Hebrews and the Jews. Both men and others were not sent to pagan Arabs.

Muslims should not say that Jesus is 'a' or 'the' prophet of Islam. He has a place in Islam as the messenger sent to the Jews by God.

manfred wrote:SAM that clip touches on something you seem to consistently miss.... Mohammed, living many centuries later, rewrote some biblical stories of some characters. He had no way of "correcting" old accounts, as he was no witness to anything in the long distant past.

So why did he do that? Look closely at the details he changed and ask yourself who benefits from this rewrite?

There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.[12:111]

frankie wrote:Jesus is allegedly a prophet of Islam, but Jesus prayed to God as His Father, as all Jews and Christians still do, which no Muslim can as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, which begs the question, why is Jesus claimed as a prophet of Islam, when he disobeyed the god he is supposed to be a prophet of?

Glad you brought that up. I would like to clarify:

Jesus is neither my prophet nor the prophet of Islam. Moses is also not my prophet and neither the prophet of Islam.

Only Muhammad is my prophet and The Prophet of Islam.

Moses, Jesus and others have a place in Qur'aan and Islam as God's prophets or messengers, who were sent to the Hebrews and the Jews. Both men and others were not sent to pagan Arabs.

Muslims should not say that Jesus is 'a' or 'the' prophet of Islam. He has a place in Islam as the messenger sent to the Jews by God.

BaigZaheer

Muslims should not say that Jesus is 'a' or 'the' prophet of Islam.

But they do, because of what the Quran tells them.

Quran 19.30He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

All Muslims accept Jesus not only as a prophet, but as a Muslim because He allegedly submitted to Allah, and came with the same message as all prophets.

But Jesus was not a Muslim because He was brought up as a Jew, and Jews submit to YHWH the God of the Bible, who is a Father to mankind, because this is what the O.T.says about God.

Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not submit to Allah.

Allah proves he is not the God of Jesus, and therefore not the God the Quran claims to represent, proving the Quran is based on a lie.

What you have to address as a Muslim is why Jesus is deemed a prophet in Islam when He disobeyed Allah by praying to him as a father.

Quran 19.30He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;

This verse is part of the Injil. While he was still a baby in the cradle, the Allah made him proclaim first that he was a servant of Allah, and forewarned against possible deviations and irregularities in which Jesus knew what would happen to him in the future.

All Muslims accept Jesus not only as a prophet, but as a Muslim because He allegedly submitted to Allah, and came with the same message as all prophets.

But Jesus was not a Muslim because He was brought up as a Jew, and Jews submit to YHWH the God of the Bible, who is a Father to mankind, because this is what the O.T.says about God.

All Muslims respect Jesus as a Prophet no more than that, but not all Muslims accept him as a Muslim. Jesus is a prophet who is unique to his people, the Children of Israel, not for gentiles like you.

Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, therefore Jesus did not submit to Allah.

Allah proves he is not the God of Jesus, and therefore not the God the Quran claims to represent, proving the Quran is based on a lie.

Jesus said, "Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight." Also part of Injil. [19:36]

What you have to address as a Muslim is why Jesus is deemed a prophet in Islam when He disobeyed Allah by praying to him as a father.

Jesus: Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: so worship Him. And "I am indeed a servant of Allah"

Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion.Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance."(2:120)

The talking infant Jesus is from a syriac text that Mohammed "borrowed", and that text is just a few years older than Mohammed. It in turn was an abridged version of the late 2nd century "Infancy gospel of Thomas".

This video shows how the Qur'an corrects the Bible when it comes to the stories of the Prophets.

Yah, Like a grandson "corrects" his father & Grandfathers own histories.Remember your pecking order. An illiterate man cannot "correct" other people's history and religious tenets written hundreds of years earlier. Only a delusional like you and a mentally ill individual like Muhammad would claim such nonsense.

frankie wrote:Jesus is allegedly a prophet of Islam, but Jesus prayed to God as His Father, as all Jews and Christians still do, which no Muslim can as Allah is a father to no one, he has no son, which begs the question, why is Jesus claimed as a prophet of Islam, when he disobeyed the god he is supposed to be a prophet of?

Glad you brought that up. I would like to clarify:

Jesus is neither my prophet nor the prophet of Islam. Moses is also not my prophet and neither the prophet of Islam.

Only Muhammad is my prophet and The Prophet of Islam.

Moses, Jesus and others have a place in Qur'aan and Islam as God's prophets or messengers, who were sent to the Hebrews and the Jews. Both men and others were not sent to pagan Arabs.

Muslims should not say that Jesus is 'a' or 'the' prophet of Islam. He has a place in Islam as the messenger sent to the Jews by God.

Thanks for clarifying this important fact. The question I have to Muslims - if that's the case, then why Muslims hate their (Moses & Jesus) followers.

There's no evidence for Al Kalbi's claims. If Al Kalbi had lived in modern times he probably earned his money as science-fiction author, right hand of Goebbels, general manager at Scientology or advisor to Kim Yong-un.

The Goddesses Al-Uzza, Al-Lat and Menat formed a triad in pre-Islamic Arabia.

Actually Allat is a single goddess with three epithets or honorably titles:1) Q're, the crescent moon or the maiden (young moon)2) Al'Uzza, literally 'the strong one' (full moon)3) Al'Manat, the waning but wise goddess of fate, prophecy and divination (waning moon)

They were widely worshipped

No, she was worshipped in Nabataea and parts of Yemen.

Which is worse: Allah having daughters or Islam being worship of a Moon-god?

‘Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs and literary traditions. They neither intermarry nor eat together, and indeed they belong to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions.’ Muhammad Ali Jinnah