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And I have a question: Why are you so against having Gothitelle learning Focus Blast? Not even that, slap CM on it and have spam HP Fighting. I will just about guarantee you that it will always do more damage that anything close combat or any physical fighting move that you could ever give it.

Focus Blast has like 50% accuracy so it almost always misses. So that'd be a waste of space on my movepool. I dislike moves that have below 95% accuracy. My Brick Break that I slapped on her has 100% accuracy so I am able to OHKO dark types.

I do have HP Fighting and Calm Mind. And it works great and fine and dandy. But then I look at Renuclus and it can get away with EVERYTHING. I want to get away with something, my Pokemon's not perfect like that but she can get the job done. That's why I replaced CM with Rock Slide.

I don't think Gothitelle is hated because of it's moves, now. Gothitelle has plenty of status moves which are important to any strategy, regardless. Gothitelle can also learn Dark Pulse from Lucario which is a very good move. Gothitelle is really for people who know how to manage psychic type pokemon and how to raise them. Most people who don't like Gothitelle or any other specific pokemon are usually not very good in managing that specific pokemon, or just don't like what they look like (which is very unwise, of course) I think that to raise Gothitelle better, you should focuse in the moves it does have, instead of dwelling over what moves it should have. I know a lot of people who think pokemon should have these moves or should be able to do this and so on. I say just study what moves they do have.

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Focus Blast has like 50% accuracy so it almost always misses. So that'd be a waste of space on my movepool. I dislike moves that have below 95% accuracy. My Brick Break that I slapped on her has 100% accuracy so I am able to OHKO dark types.

I do have HP Fighting and Calm Mind. And it works great and fine and dandy. But then I look at Renuclus and it can get away with EVERYTHING. I want to get away with something, my Pokemon's not perfect like that but she can get the job done. That's why I replaced CM with Rock Slide.

In-game, tons of things work. I'm not one to advise against using whatever you want on your Pokemon because usually you can make it work. If you're talking in a more competitive environment like if you're playing against your friends... well, there are reasons why some Pokemon are more popular in situations like that than others. There are Pokemon that are straight-up outclassed, like Altaria - most of the things it can do can be done by other Pokemon in every other way. Same goes for Gothitelle. You can use it if you want, that's fine, whatever. But giving it random physical moves isn't gonna do anything to help it be a better Pokemon, especially with that abysmal physical attack. You're better off doing what it does best rather than trying to make it into something that it's not.

On-topic, I'd like to see Ferroseed get Rapid Spin. It spins in its sprite. ;-;

Gothitelle is particularly good at walling, so you don't really have to worry about dying from strong Bug-type/Ghost-type/Dark-type attacks if you a high defense stat (which Gothitelle is all about).

And since her speed is mid-high, she can outspeed some of the mid-level Darks and Bugs in the metagame (lol, though, I did EV train mines in Speed a bit). If you can do that, have her use Charm on the Dark types, which lowers the ATK stat by two stages. Since, y'know, most Dark-type moves are physical.

By saying that Gothitelle is worse than Reuniclus just makes Gothitelle look even worse. Sure, Reuniclus has that amazing Sp. ATK stat, but it has sub-par defenses and is literally as slow as a rock. Even then, there's the fact that Gothitelle can learn Dark Pulse, and her moveset is designed around literally degrading the foe (Fake Tears, Embargo, Flatter, Charm...), then going in for the hit.

In general, the odds can be turned on each other, but it's not like either one can learn Bug Buzz.

Gothitelle is particularly good at walling, so you don't really have to worry about dying from strong Bug-type/Ghost-type/Dark-type attacks if you a high defense stat (which Gothitelle is all about).

And since her speed is mid-high, she can outspeed some of the mid-level Darks and Bugs in the metagame (lol, though, I did EV train mines in Speed a bit). If you can do that, have her use Charm on the Dark types, which lowers the ATK stat by two stages. Since, y'know, most Dark-type moves are physical.

By saying that Gothitelle is worse than Reuniclus just makes Gothitelle look even worse. Sure, Reuniclus has that amazing Sp. ATK stat, but it has sub-par defenses and is literally as slow as a rock. Even then, there's the fact that Gothitelle can learn Dark Pulse, and her moveset is designed around literally degrading the foe (Fake Tears, Embargo, Flatter, Charm...), then going in for the hit.

In general, the odds can be turned on each other, but it's not like either one can learn Bug Buzz.

Gothitelle cannot wall. Tyranitar used Crunch. GG. 65 Base speed is terrible for sweeping and charm is just... Gothitelle is worse that Reuniclus! Reuniclus is one of the most used Pokemon in the metagame, it maybe slow but it has a load of bulk to back it up.

Anyway Gothitelle shouldn't learn any fighting physical moves, I don't see why people use physical moves like that on Psychic types, hey! Let's go for SubPunch Blissey whilst we're at it! :D

I just don't understand why you want Gothitelle to be a Physical Sweeper. It can't learn ANY STAB Physical moves, it has a Base Attack lower than a Rattata (Rattata=56>Gothitelle=55), and it just not good at much at all. Why can't you be happy with what Gothitelle HAS? Isn't that what being a fan of the pokemon is about?

Well I'm sorry that Gothitelle isnt a god mod like Renuclus is. This is why I SUGGESTED the moves in the first place... because I hate when people CANNOT accept that I think Gothitelle is better and people hate me because of it. I've even gotten a comment today asking why the hell would I like this over some blob thing.

The difference between me and alot of other fans is that I don't need sites like Smoogn etc to tell me which Pokemon is bad or not. Because I don't care. I dont care of Renuclus is overused... I still don't like it. All that matters is that I'm using my favorite.

Of course back to the topic at hand, I'm not setting here going "Gothitelle is gowd!11!!". She has flaws. Most people hate flaws and thats why they go for the other choice... it's flawless. By MAYBE rasing it's attack to 100 and Sp Attk to 100 maybe I can get away with any move.

Close combat is an awesome move and my birdy Poke uses it nicely. If I can have that move on MY Gothitelle, then I'd be ecstatic because I can REALLY kick but with those looks. Submission is another one I'd want even tho it's a recoil move. But it's really good. Brick Break is a filler fighting movr that WORKS. Sometimes I wish there could be better.

How is it hated forever simply because you think it has sucky moves? I believe the only Pokemon thats worthless is Magikarp, and even he turns into an awesome Water/Flying pokemon once you evolve him. Each move can be used (Except Splash.. Lulz), and so no Pokemon really needs better moves, you just need to work with the moves they have and find a way that they can excel in battles, whether it be spear heading the enemy, supporting, or just plain battling with everything it has.. I also agree with the many other people saying a Psychic type shouldnt learn too many Fighting type moves simply because it learns one or two... Thats like saying a Water type should also know a buttload of Fire type moves simply because it can learn Fire Punch .

Meloetta is a legendary, so it can get away with it. Mienshao is a bad@$$ martial artist mink, so it is trained in strength. Gothitelle is a Gothic Lolita, and there is no reason one of them would be able to use Hammer Arm. Or Close Combat. And Reuniclus isn't "flawless". It's speed isn't exactly great, and if it doesn't get out a trick room, it won't do much good. It's defense and special defense really aren't anything special (not saying they don't get the job done well), and it doesn't exactly have a great physical attack either. Sure, it's higher then that of Gothitelle, but it's not wise to give it a physical attack anyway.

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I wish Hydreigon could actually learn Dark Pulse normally instead of it being a bred move. Really, GF? The first Dark/Dragon Pokemon ever, and you decide "oh hei letz knot give Hydreigon Dark Pulse even tho it wood b purfect 4 it"? Really, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

You have to realize that each and every Pokemon has a specific and distinct purpose. Gothitelle's purpose is to be a special attacker/wall to those who use it. If you personally use yours for a different purpose, thats fine, no one could really force you otherwise no matter how questionable it may be, but Gothitelle in general is accepted as a Pokemon that is unable to use any physical move whatsoever because of it's abysmal attack power.

Each Pokemon has their own fanbase. Lots of people like some Pokemon (like Tyranitar) while very few people like some others. It's probably going to be impossible to change the popularity level of any kind of Pokemon because generally a reason why a person likes _______ is because of its design, name, and other style stuff that's specific to that Pokemon, not so much the moveset. I mean if you gave Gothitelle like wings or something that might radically change some people's opinions (for better and/or worse) but simply changing some moves that aren't going to be very good at all for it anyway won't change much. Besides, you should revel in the fact that you're one of the few people that likes that Pokemon, not try to force other people to like it. If everyone liked it, wouldn't it be less special?

I wish that Haxorus got a Fire-type move (preferably physical!!). It'd be even better then. :(

You have to realize that each and every Pokemon has a specific and distinct purpose. Gothitelle's purpose is to be a special attacker/wall to those who use it. If you personally use yours for a different purpose, thats fine, no one could really force you otherwise no matter how questionable it may be, but Gothitelle in general is accepted as a Pokemon that is unable to use any physical move whatsoever because of it's abysmal attack power.

I mean that Gothitelle is not really accepted in general. Alot of people hate her in fact 1 out of 10 fans will like her. I know it's an opinion thing but can you see where Im coming from and why I would want to make her this god mod Pokemon?

I use mine as a special attacker now sense I now about stats. I used to use mine as a Phsycal attaker. It only had one special move come to think of it. The rest was Brick break, Rock slide and Low sweep.

I mean that Gothitelle is not really accepted in general. Alot of people hate her in fact 1 out of 10 fans will like her. I know it's an opinion thing but can you see where Im coming from and why I would want to make her this god mod Pokemon?

Again, this goes to what me and Vrai was trying to get at. You cannot make one pokemon do everything. You cannot make Gothitelle a psuedo-legendary that crit flinch haxes everything, you cannot make Gothitelle outrun pretty much anything, you cannot make Gothitelle OHKO anything with it's offenses as it is. That's what me and Vrai was trying to get at. I understand that you want to make it more "acceptable" but there are some people that just see it as just having the role of being a special wall, because that's really what it is in the end. Could it be offensive? Of course. Like I said, slap CM on it and you've got yourself quite the beast. Other than that, you can't really force it to do anything that it's really unable to do in the first place.

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