Re: RE: My career path and Oracle?

RE: RE: My career path and Oracle?Congratulations on getting your MBA. It's hard work, but worth it from the satisfaction you get from obtaining it. Good to see you got it the hard way, and not via a six week course on the internet.

GOT my MBA, but I don't let it push me towards damagement... I find it interesting to figure out what I can do better in my systems to better meet the needs of the people I end up supporting (for some reason, I always seem to support the accounting department in one manner or another). Knowing the language and kind of understanding what they are talking about helps me to make the leap in trying to understand how to help them.

Did graduating with the stupid thing do anything for me directly. $&(# no. Not likely to, either... no one even bothered to congratulate me when I finally finished (after 5 years and 3 different schools in 3 different states and 62 masters credits). BUT, I finished for me, and it helps me.

It isn't for anybody. If I knew then what I know now, probably wouldn't have bothered even starting it. A lot of busy work. A lot of hassle for what I could have gotten out of a couple good websites and a few library books. Live and learn.

I don't have any degree higher than a plain BA. It hasn't made a
difference as far as I can see, however, I have gone on interviews
where they asked if I had a college degree. They didn't seem to care
WHAT the degree was in (mine as it happens IS in Computer Science).

I started an MBA program. And realized that it would push me towards
the management track (I hope I'd never turn into damagement), where I
didn't want to be.

Someday I'll go back to school, perhaps for another degree, perhaps
not. Definitely for something I'm interested in as opposed to something
just to earn money

"Orr, Steve" <sorr_at_rightnow.com> wrote:
> I hold a generic MBA... hold the applause please. To my > amazement/amusement it's actually made a difference in successful gig > acquisition. It doesn't seem to matter whether the institution is > ivory tower or run of the mill, paper mill that is. Getting an > accredited online degree in your spare time could be a strategy for > folks that don't want to give up a job. I guess the question is > whether the degree is for personally vanity or part of a well thought > out career plan. > > Teenage hackers who are smart as a whip and can write their own > ticket without any degree may be an even better career strategy for > geeks. Just ask Billy G. Or for a real laugh check out the offensive > commencement address Larry E. gave to a bunch of ivory tower grads. > http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.satirewire.com/news/0006/satire%2Dellison.html > (btw, the above speech is actually a hoax as it never occurred.) > > It's getting cold around here... 4 degrees below zero: > > 0 > M.B.A. More Banal Accolades > B.S. Bull S**t > M.S More of the Same > Ph.D Piled High and Deep > > > Steve Orr > Bozeman, Montana > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:52 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > If you are planning to stay on the technical/practical/nuts and bolts > side of things, then a masters is the way to go. I wouldn't bother > with a Ph.D unless you are shooting for a teaching/research position. > At best most places will ignore it and at worst you will be > overqualified. If you have the extra time, get a second masters, > perhaps an MBA. Your training should say, "I understand the practical > side of all this" not "I am Ivory Tower, go away." > > My hope is to retire to a teaching position at a local university in > 20 years. In a case like that I will want that Ph.D, but not for some > time yet. > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:42 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Ive noticed that not having a technical degree really hurt me in my > latest job search. Getting another bachelors would actually take as > long as getting 2 masters degrees and almost as long as Ph.D, since > Universites are 'difficult' on transfer credit. > > Ive also noticed that alot of positions these days really want > technical degrees and preferably graduate degrees. Masters only takes > 2 years and its interesting since. Havent decided on the Ph.D, will > take me a while since I have a non-technical degree, so I have to > take a bunch of math to qualify. > > Im only 28 and basically while Im still young, I want to make sure Im > position so that in the future I can do what ever is needed. I doublt > Ill be writing PL/SQL then. I worked with a guy who was a mainframer > for 30 years and the demand for him was extremely high through the > early 1990s, but has fallen off the earth. He got into Oracle > development, but he had to step down to a junior level position. This > gravely concerns me. > > Ph.D... is a real pain. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: <rgaffuri_at_cox.net > INET: rgaffuri_at_cox.net > >

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