I have to say that I'm excited for the game. And, frankly, it seems like SE listened to a lot of gamer complaints about the first one, since I am under the impression that they are being true to Pulse and making it more like a world. And there are screen shots that suggest there are towns as well. AFAIK, it's still only 1 at a time play, but it's built more like an action RPG it seems, so that shouldn't be an issue.

I've never been determined to be displeased. I have high standards I won't apologize for it. Yes, I'm critical, and yes I'm hard to please, but **** it if, I'm going to spend sixty dollars and forty hours of my time on a game, I want it worthwhile. Some people will take whatever is available and be happy to have it, I won't.

Not really, I just think you're an *** for intentionally coming into every thread about a game that's CLEARLY not for you (as you've made clear many times before) and then trying to stamp on everyone else's excitement for it.

Is it just me or did that dude toward the end of the trailer look like he was holding several of the original groups weapons?(Including hopes boomerang)

And really who else could they bring back? The only reason for Sazh to care was resolved in the last game. Fang and Vanille are the premise behind this one(unless they dropped the concept for a different storyline premise) along with whatever the heck going on with "Lightning missing." The ruins and the other stuff mentioned. That pretty much leaves only snow and hope to really be playable in this one.

They've confirmed that Lightning will at least make playable appearances (what that means hasn't been elaborated on, but I'm guessing we are going to see her with her own subplot as the game progresses until Serah and her are finally reunited).

We also don't know the fighting capacity of these characters. I'm pretty sure that the concept behind Lightning is that she's a l'cie again, but blessed by the goddess rather than the fal'cie (and willingly became so), so she's not facing a future of being a cieth. I'm GUESSING that the enemy dude is similar, but is a l'cie blessed by the god Lindzei, who created the fal'cie of Coccoon and is a Loki-like figure.

Whether or not Hope and Snow have followed the same path has yet to be seen. We know that Snow left to complete some mission, promising Serah that he would be back.

I'm guessing that at least Hope has followed a similar path as lightning (even if he doesn't know where she is), simply because it's hard to imagine why he would choose to live away from everyone as he seems to have been doing. And that's what gives me hope that he's become a normal human being, rather than a whining freak. I'm imagining him as someone who has become a sort of sentinel. :P

I'm honestly excited for the game. It seems to me like they have taken every complaint people made about the first one and really thought about them--we have a more interactive combat system, towns, and a more open world to explore. Plus, the game is far more story-driven than the previous one is, only having two characters (one of whom has already seen a fair amount of development).

The only thing I hate is the outfit Serah is wearing... I mean, c'mon...

Well, Turin's opinion, regardless of how boringly unimpressed, is as valid as anyone else's. I hardly ever agree with his assessments, but whatever. The occasional dissenting opinion is not necessarily a bad thing anyway.

Well, Turin's opinion, regardless of how boringly unimpressed, is as valid as anyone else's. I hardly ever agree with his assessments, but whatever. The occasional dissenting opinion is not necessarily a bad thing anyway.

If he didn't voice it in EVERY thread he possibly could, in a manner that berates others for DARING to feel a different way, then I would agree.

I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny ***** about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the **** off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.

I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny ***** about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the **** off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.

Disagreeing is always fine. I don't think anyone here doesn't want a contrasting opinion or even a good debate. But when you disagree, you tend to do it a little condescendingly.

I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny ***** about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the **** off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.

Disagreeing is always fine. I don't think anyone here doesn't want a contrasting opinion or even a good debate. But when you disagree, you tend to do it a little condescendingly.

I just recently picked up the game myself Shojindo. The combat isn't bad and the voices, while annoying at times, aren't too bad. The only thing that makes me wonder if I should continue is how many bloody cut scenes there are in the dang game. Here is what roughly happened to me earlier today.

I never berate until some asshat comes along decides to be a whiny ***** about me having a dissenting opinion. If you only ever want to hear people agree with you, you should probably stay the **** off the internet, lock yourself into a small room and never leave.

Turin, I love you - I just want you to know that.

One day, somewhere in the world, I am going to walk into a pet shop and buy myself one of these. Then I'm going to take it home, name it Turin and when people I don't like come round to visit I will let it out of the cage to bite them.

Turin, XIII was a great game... The story was detailed, the combat was fun, and I genuinely cared about the characters.

The story was cliche and slow to develop, the combat was repetitive (par for the course, I suppose, although actually challenging in some cases; a departure from previous FF titles), and the characters were so far disconnected from actual, relate-able human emotion that they must have been aliens, or possibly raised in small boxes without outside human contact.

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Why do you really feel the need to come in here and just create drama? Is there really any point to it?

Turin, XIII was a great game... The story was detailed, the combat was fun, and I genuinely cared about the characters.

The story was cliche and slow to develop, the combat was repetitive (par for the course, I suppose, although actually challenging in some cases; a departure from previous FF titles), and the characters were so far disconnected from actual, relate-able human emotion that they must have been aliens, or possibly raised in small boxes without outside human contact.

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Why do you really feel the need to come in here and just create drama? Is there really any point to it?

To each his own, but I prefer my story-based games to have interesting, original stories and interesting, relate-able characters. Square Enix has put out so many titles (not just Final Fantasy) about a jaded, disenfranchised young ex-military so-and-so fighting to bring down The Man that you'd think they were a spiritual descendant of EA Sports or something.

FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").

FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").

FF9 is the only notable exception, which is why it stands up as the best Final Fantasy title of the modern gaming era (which I loosely define as PS1/N64 to present, or "as far back as I can remember").

9 is one of my favorites, too.

9 is by far my favorite, but I think 7 still has a sh*tton of fans out there.

I have to say, I don't get the 7 hate that just suddenly seemed to appear in the last 4-ish years. In '97 or whatever year it was, there wasn't anything that was even remotely in it's ballpark as far as quality or scope. This seems like some revisionist history.

That being said, I think they should have let it stay in 1997. These revisits are raping parts of my childhood.

Uninteresting main character, even less interesting main villain, weak supporting cast, mediocre at best story, lack of art direction are the reasons I was never a fan of 7. The most infuriating thing was that ending with Red XIII that made absolutely no sense at all. Nothing I haven't said before when the topic comes up.

I also tend to notice that amongst 7's praises, it being the person's first Final Fantasy game tends to show up.

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I liked 8 the best. You can now wail and gnash your teeth and decry my tastes to be the catalyst for the imminent collapse of society.

I liked the gun swords, the rivalry between the main character and the blonde haired guy, and the lovin in space. I was much younger then though and have never tried to revisit the game.

You know how like Chrono Trigger is a memory for me of total greatness that I don't want to spoil with my modern, olde,r and more bitter perspective.

Can be said for a bunch of things really. I enjoyed 7 ok too. But was 9 the one with the little kids? I think I looked at the art style for that and just skipped it. Picked up with water volleyball boy who's dad was a giant space monster. (10?) Then played 11 for 2.5 years.

I played 12 for a bit, was like 11 but solo player. Was ok.

Exciting stuff I know.

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Uninteresting main character, even less interesting main villain, weak supporting cast, mediocre at best story, lack of art direction are the reasons I was never a fan of 7. The most infuriating thing was that ending with Red XIII that made absolutely no sense at all. Nothing I haven't said before when the topic comes up.

I also tend to notice that amongst 7's praises, it being the person's first Final Fantasy game tends to show up.

I don't disagree with most of that, except for:

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...where I think you've got to be trolling.

I admit that there's no cohesion between the environments, but the artistry of each area was stunning. The environments were memorable, interesting, and there was a ton of very original imagery to be found. They were labyrinthine and fun to explore. And for being so beautifully rendered, they were surprisingly interactive. The game also played fast and loose with the player's interaction with the scenery, which helped keep things fresh. The industry-leading graphics certainly helped, too. The game's art direction was a huge positive point for me, and I think it sort of bolstered (or overruled) the less than stellar parts.

It's been a while since I played it, but I don't remember anything nonsensical about the Red XIII ending. I do remember wishing that they had ended the game at the part where Holy gets summoned and everyone blinks. Would have been a great, poetic ending, in my opinion (though few share that outlook).

To the rest: most of what you cite as issues were only aspects that were 'average' in the game to me. They didn't stand out, but they didn't really detract, either. Really, I'm almost never impressed by characterizations in video games, so FF7 doesn't seem all that different than any other to me.

I admit that there's no cohesion between the environments, but the artistry of each area was stunning.

You misunderstand. When I say the lack of art direction, I mean one minute the game would use the in-game sprites for everything, the next it would be a pure CGI FMV cutscene, then the next it would be CGI FMV sprites in the regular backgrounds, and the next would be a cutscene using in game sprites in CGI FMV backgrounds, and then it'd be interactive CGI FMV/Game Sprites. They couldn't decide what they wanted to do and it ended up some weird bastardization.

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It's been a while since I played it, but I don't remember anything nonsensical about the Red XIII ending.

Nothing nonsensical about centuries later a male beast, the last of his kind (which is a fact the game hammers into your skull pretty early on), running through a field with his children? So, what? There was a female hiding somewhere? He asexually reproduced?

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I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.

Nothing nonsensical about centuries later a male beast, the last of his kind (which is a fact the game hammers into your skull pretty early on), running through a field with his children? So, what? There was a female hiding somewhere? He asexually reproduced?