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I will quote overrated parodies and manly animes if I want to! YOU AIN'T THE BOSS OF ME! D:<
...Wait. PEOPLE COUNT COTDS LOSING AS GETTING SCREWED OVER?! *mind explodes* ...I thought they were just there to get their butts kicked and look pretty. =P

You are the only person here who has enough common sense to realize this just so you know People complain about Cotd's in non-league episodes but lord forbid the writers spare us to see their lame generic possibly Darumaka filled teams in the league! Its truly a blessing that the BW writers skip stupid battles that no one would care about and complain about if they were shown... Imagine-

Why did they waste a whole episodes on Ash battling two Darumaka?! This league is the worse! They had Bianca lose so that Ash could battle these two generic losers?! WORST. LEAGUE.EVER... -_____- And dont act like this wouldnt happen because you know it wouldve.

I liked that trip got ko'd first...it made me feel like I was watching a real tournament with random matchups ;-;...we already got the epic final rival match back in sinnoh (And to a lesser extend, johto.).

The only thing I don't like about this is that ash doesn't get to fight virgil ;-;...

I didn't care who beat him, but I still wanted him to fight virgil D:

To me kanto was actually the best league i know johto is probably most popular but kanto had more focus the training for 6 weeks then ash biking to the league rhe moltres scenea gary getring knocked out bellsprout being squashed by muk kingler evolving it was a perfecr way to go into the orange league.

I must have a good memory the last time i watched rhose was when the were first shown in the UK

I see what you did thar Mist ;D
Katie was badass! D8 And has the same name as me. She makes me proud to be a trainer. *cries tears of joy* ...Is it bad if I have to look up Jon Dickson on bulbapedia to remember who he is? D8 *is a failure as a Pokemon fan*

Make it a level 6 starter with Fissure and you have a deal. *shot*
Also, Blaziken never reminded me of Flamedramon to be honest, though I do love Digimon. Though I am hardly fond of the 'new Pokemon looking like Digimon' complaint that some of the fandom uses to bash the newer generations ^_^;

I love Samurott (and I still think Ash's otter needs to man up and evolve), but it seriously reminded me of some Digimon.

Also, Flamedramon is the one that came in mind. I felt like there was some other Digimon that looked even more like Blaziken. I loved the first few seasons of Digimon though!

You are the only person here who has enough common sense to realize this just so you know People complain about Cotd's in non-league episodes but lord forbid the writers spare us to see their lame generic possibly Darumaka filled teams in the league! Its truly a blessing that the BW writers skip stupid battles that no one would care about and complain about if they were shown... Imagine-

Why did they waste a whole episodes on Ash battling two Darumaka?! This league is the worse! They had Bianca lose so that Ash could battle these two generic losers?! WORST. LEAGUE.EVER... -_____- And dont act like this wouldnt happen because you know it wouldve.

People's reasons for hating this League are actually very good. I usually don't agree with this fandom when it comes to Best Wishes but I agree with them on this matter.

They should just trash Ash and make it the Kotetsu show instead. After all, he has the one and only Lucario. The Lucario. He who improves ratings wherever he goes.

Yeah, not gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Josef Stylin

Originally Posted by Cevil

RIP Ash's dreams.

Who cares about his dream, the only character that should be feeling crushed right now is the Furfrou guy. Dude put all of his faith in Ash.

He looked like a male prostitute too, so he's probably crying his eyes out while standing around in shady street corners, which is bad for business because customers will be weirded out. Ash ruined his dreams and his job, what a terrible person.

I forget. Have all of Ash's Pokemon achieved at least one victory during this tournament? If so then it's not fair to say that they suck although they still didn't get proper training. I wonder if that's why the writers have rushed this League; maybe they knew that even all the deus ex machina in the world couldn't justify some of Ash's Pokemon slaying the competition. Although I really doubt they'd be honest with themselves about their mistakes. They'd probably use deus ex machina anyway just to make Ash look good. :x

Well in Hoenn we got 4 episodes of 6v6s, in Sinnoh we also got 4 episodes of 6v6s so they are technically equal.

I don't get the logic. Technically 3 =/= 2 no matter how you see it. Besides Tobias battle was a OHKO fest. Even Katie's battle, a battle against a totally unknown character, was better than Tobias battle.

Originally Posted by Maldread

Ever since "PIKACHU! THE HORN!" I've realized that Ash could defeat a Lugia with a Magikarp if the plot called for it.

My point about people being wrong was that you could also be wrong about this and some people shouldnt go around acting like their opinions are facts and ignore all arguments that counters theirs :/ Snivy is backed into a corner at the start of the episode so it could most likely lose in less than a minuet and then Pikachu vs Lucario could be a good 5 minuets and then we have a intro to the Virgil battle which takes up 15 minuets and- remember Team Shocker? Ash said goodbye to his rivals in a non-speaking scene so that means there's a chance he could do that in first few minuets of Episode N. And the Axew filler excuse is really, really getting old because Kanto had one as well and people arent complaining about how that "runied" the league. We got to see Virgil using his rescue skills in action which might have served to pump him up like Harrison was with Milktank's Heal Bell when Bulbasaur vs Meganium happend in the Silver Conference and then Tyson with the flame in Hoenn. And once again- Tyson vs Ash took 16 minuets and 32 seconds so who is to say that it wont take less time in BW which is common for its less detailed battles? If people would get over the stupid episode title and the not even reasonable summary then they would see that we lack enough information to say that Ash loses against Kotesu. And I guess the writers have been idiots except for in Johto because 15 minuets more/less is the same exact time Ash's losing battles have lasted... Just saying.

I'm glad I read this. This is exactly what I have been thinking. The title conclusion could basically be truly refer to the conclusion of this battle, and then the quick defeat for Ash against Virgil. who knows, maybe the semi final battle will be a triple battle of 6 vs 6? or just a triple battle? That would be interesting, and I guess give the writers a semi excuse to include two battles in one episode.

I'm glad I read this. This is exactly what I have been thinking. The title conclusion could basically be truly refer to the conclusion of this battle, and then the quick defeat for Ash against Virgil. who knows, maybe the semi final battle will be a triple battle of 6 vs 6? or just a triple battle? That would be interesting, and I guess give the writers a semi excuse to include two battles in one episode.

If we were going to get a triple battle, they'd certainly be promoting that more.

I've realized it to some extent beforehand in Kanto, but that scene was full of such convenient PIS that I even tried to fight a Rhydon with an electric type in the game to see if that was actually a thing.

Ash WILL finish top 8. But! After the Arc with N, ash will
not continue on to another region. Much like in the games,
he will re-challenge the 8 gym leaders & the league (perhaps
N will give him the incentive to do so?). In the process, developing
his team to an appropriate lvl & making it to the finals in the tournament.

Ash WILL finish top 8. But! After the Arc with N, ash will
not continue on to another region. Much like in the games,
he will re-challenge the 8 gym leaders & the league (perhaps
N will give him the incentive to do so?). In the process, developing
his team to an appropriate lvl & making it to the finals in the tournament.

This will never happen as it would take too long before 6th Gen starts and we all know Ash will move on to the new region. Plus who really wants to him challenge Unova again? Kanto is the only region where his gym battles need redemption

Wait, does he have to get the badges all over again? Can't he just register again for the next annual conference.....oh but that would mean he would have to wait a year, and we all know that Ash can never stop being 10.

Really? Pignite doesn't have good offense? The only reason it didn't beat Garbodor was because it blocked Fire Pledge, it would have KOed it. Being able to take hits is very important. A powerful hit is nothing if you can't hit the opponent or get KOed immediately. Boldore's entire gimmick is that it is Ash's defensive Pokémon. It's why he used it against Excadrill, Accelgor + Escavalier, and Koffing.

An blockable attack implies good offense? Between resistance and flight, it's not at all as if Hydreigon doesn't have the means to defend against the majority of their attacks. And that's on top of the standard powerful pokemon trait.

Originally Posted by TheFonz

You're getting very annoying >_< Krookodile, Dragonite, and Hydreigon aren't some unbeatable monsters. You're making this Hydreigon to be the best Pokémon in the entire series and it needs 3 Pokémon to take it out. Ash's Pignite and Boldore aren't as weak as you're making them to be either, they're some of his best this series! I can't understand your logic. It's like you're just doing it to argue with me

When did I declare any of them "unbeatable" monsters. This discussion started because you voice concern about Ash having issue taking down an out of control dragon. I then brought up that the last out of control dragon Ash took down required one of his strongest pokemon to evolve, thus showing that without a similar trick, it's not strange that those three would have a problem taking it down. None of those three have been shown individually a powerhouse like Krookodile, so it makes prefect sense that none of them alone would be capable of the feat.

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In the instant it vanishes, it shines faintly,
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