NAPLES, FL -- Presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich defended his immigration policy after days of criticism from other GOP contenders  reiterating that he does not support amnesty -- on Friday night before his largest crowd yet on the campaign trail.

"I am not for amnesty for anyone. I am not for a path to citizenship for anybody who got here illegally," Gingrich told the crowd of roughly 750 people, many of whom were forced to stand in the hallway...........

"I think the vast majority [of illegal immigrants] will go home and should go home and then should reapply. I do not think anybody should be eligible for citizenship,".....

" Do you really think that if Gingrich got his wish to legalize the illegals but not give them citizenship, there would not be an immediate push to then make them citizens, because, after all, how can you deny 20 million plus residents the right to vote? "

BINGO !

That their plan, to gradually desensitize us into capitulating, for there will be mass protests and demonstration and all the ( Realitive Moralism: got to let their relitives stay here too of they been here 25 years : sarcasm ) of how we are immoral not letting them vote..

You see ? it first starts out, letting them sneak in in the first plane, and then ? " ohh well, there's 20 million of them, can't do nothing about them going back now, water under the bridge, the horses have left the barn and it's to late to close the barn door ). Then ? " ohhh well, might as well make them citizens " . Then ? ohh you mean heartless people, why don't you let them vote, after all, they have rights too as citizens.

You see people ? that's how it's going, going down the slippery slope. Just like school prayer, one days someone say that prayer should be taken out of schools, then ? all religions are equal, them ? remove God or all references of God out of America... that's how the progressives do it, one step at a time gradually..

As far as requiring them to be here for a certain period of time to qualify to be allowed to live here legally...when the last amnesty was given there was a requirement that the illegal had lived here (I think it was 20 years) problem was illegals just obtained false documents showing they had been here the required time- had employers, neighbors, people on the street writing that they had rented from them, worked for them, ect. It was a sham and illegals that were newly arrived were given citizenship. The document sham is one reason so many more were given amnesty than was planned for. Illegals know they can sham our system, that is why anytime anyone of note mentions even the possiblity of an amnesty type plan illegals flood across the border. They know if they are here when any plan to legalize illegals happens they can jump on the wagon. No matter what the requirements would be, illegals would produce them- real or not. Illegals have already proven they refuse to follow our laws, why do so many believe that they will not break laws to qualify for some sort of legalization?

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posted on 11/26/2011 6:26:54 AM PST
by Tammy8
(~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)

All the people who are soft on illegals and are in favor for this Newt plan, why don't they come and visit the neiborhood I live in and live in a crime ridden neiborhood every day where you got to duck bullets getting to your car, or worry if your mother will be the next victim of either the druggies robber her of her money or just plan shooting her because they feel like it. Why don't they come to my neighborhood and see all the illegals all over the place.... that's the reality I got to live with every single day here....

Ohh yeah, I know I will get the snug reaction " why don't you just move out ? " .... ohhh really ? are you serious ? where we have put down our own roots in this neighborhood and been living here for 22 years and we are natural born US citizens ? Ohh, it's easy to be critical and view this from a far distance in your nice safe gated community where you don't have to deal with this every day or look at it from afar.

Put your self in my shoe, got to worry if your going to make it to your car just going to the store without ducking bullets or going to be the next victim in my neighborhood. It once was a nice place to live not so long ago.

If Gingrich is the Republican nominee this is the surest ticket to an Obama landslide.
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You are probably right, I can’t disagree. I don’t think he can overcome his baggage. When the time comes, I will vote for the best conservative that the polls show has the best chance of beating the Marxist Muslim Kenyan usurper, Barry Hussein Soetoro.

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posted on 11/26/2011 7:25:48 AM PST
by mojitojoe
(SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly." June 2011 Debate Transcript

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posted on 11/26/2011 7:40:57 AM PST
by shield
(Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)

I never have deliberately broken a law. Strange as it may seem to someone like you, I keep to the speed limit. Makes life simpler that way.

Over the last 25 years, I have been in the USA legally, and when I filled out my last job application, I correctly checked YES in the “are you a citizen” field. That’s 25 years of not committing a felony.

No it’s not. Look where the majority of the supposed fleeing are going, and it isn’t back over the border. You’ve tried to conflate two very different scenarios. When Alabama passes their strict laws, the surrounding states remain not as strict so the illegals move there. If the US starts the cattle ars running South (and that’s what it will take to acxcomplish what the hate-filled demand in short order for 20 or 30 million men women and children), it is not anything like the current situation with Alabama and surrounding less strict laws. But I can see why you want to mischaracterize the perspective.

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posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:01 AM PST
by MHGinTN
(Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)

" Over the last 25 years, I have been in the USA legally, and when I filled out my last job application, I correctly checked YES in the are you a citizen field. Thats 25 years of not committing a felony. "

And we welcome from one American to another American.

Those who have come here by going through the proper process and legally tend to be outstanding , law abiding, happy to be American citizens and are productive and ad much value to our country... and we are happy you are here....

" (and thats what it will take to acxcomplish what the hate-filled demand in short order for 20 or 30 million men women and children) "

Oh Really ? are you serious ? Hate filled ?

All talk...

Why don't you just come and visit the neighborhood I live in with all the drug lords, crime, and illegals here.... Let's see how really brave you are. I got to live with this every single day hoping that the next gun shot that goes off is not my mother, my family, or me just going to our cars and going to the store.. It's so easy to be critical while living in a gated community looking at this from afar.

RE :"All the people who are soft on illegals and are in favor for this Newt plan, why don't they come and visit the neiborhood I live in and live in a crime ridden neiborhood every day where you got to duck bullets getting to your car, or worry if your mother will be the next victim of either the druggies robber her of her money or just plan shooting her because they feel like it. Why don't they come to my neighborhood and see all the illegals all over the place.... that's the reality I got to live with every single day here...."

sjb lives not far from the Mexico border in Arizona. He can testify how the wave of daily illegals are brightening up his area of the country doing volunteer charity work, and donating to charities, helping the elderly, ...etc... right??.

Newt just says things without thinking them out. That is why some here think he is a great debater. Sure, if a illegal is here 25 years with American grandchildren kicking him out sounds tough; until you try to talk about what giving him amnesty, or purposefully letting him live in the shadows really means.

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posted on 11/26/2011 8:49:07 AM PST
by sickoflibs
(Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")

If it was fear I would have moved out of this neighborhood a long time ago. Like I said, I challenge you to go to our city police department and check it for your self and see....

It's so easy to be critical living in a nice safe gated community where you don't have to live with this crap every day.... we can't afford to move out of this neighborhood, and I am physically disabled..

YOU replied to me???? WHY???? Your post was in a reply to #1, how did you get me into that???? You have another type of ping list or something to get your view across?

I support NEWT GINGRICH. If I did not respond to any of your posts in the thread, it was because I disagree with you and see no need to be-labor the issue. You are not going to win your arguement with me.

Its a lot easier to deny them the right to vote than to hunt them down, incarcerate them, prosecute them, and deport them. One function is administrative, and gets a lot of scrutiny every election. The other would require billions of dollars, raising an army, building concentration camps to hold detainees, creating a whole new court system just to handle the volume, and getting compliance with Mexico to take them back (which Mexico has fought in the past).

Denying the right to vote is fairly simple ... if resident registers to vote the state runs the list against federal records. If they are found to be a Green/Red card holder, their registration is invalidated and they are purged from the voter list. If they actually do vote and it is not found out until later, then they are prosecuted. This last year I ran a campaign, and I stopped and spoke to a lot of people who were Green card holders and they knew this implicitly. This is the way the law works now.

Yes I have. The ACLU has a significantly harder time arguing against Green/Red Card status, but they sure as heck will fight what you are proposing. There would not be a single illegal rounded up under your proposal because the ACLU would tie it up in knots.

That’s OK. Your man Gingrich ain’t so good at it either.
Maybe you can point out the actual law to Newt, since he is applying for the job that requires him to enforce it:

8USC1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens
How Current is This? (a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).

That’s OK. Your man Gingrich ain’t so good at it either.
Maybe you can point out the actual law to Newt, since he is applying for the job that requires him to enforce it:

8USC1324. Bringing in and harboring certain aliens
How Current is This? (a) Criminal penalties
(1)
(A) Any person who
(i) knowing that a person is an alien, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever such person at a place other than a designated port of entry or place other than as designated by the Commissioner, regardless of whether such alien has received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States and regardless of any future official action which may be taken with respect to such alien;
(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law;
(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;
(iv) encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law; or
(v)
(I) engages in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts, or
(II) aids or abets the commission of any of the preceding acts,
shall be punished as provided in subparagraph (B).

RE :”If you mean by  brightening up  the 400,000 acres started by illegal trespassers, yes.....they certainly have”

That is ‘undocumented American immigrant worker’ Sir. We don't want to hurt any-ones feelings.

Remember the progressive motto : we all own everything in a democracy collectively, even those ‘undocumented’ own a fair share for being here. We all were undocumented immigrants coming here for food stamps once, especially the slaves.

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posted on 11/26/2011 11:55:49 AM PST
by sickoflibs
(Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")

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