Catalonia and the rest of us

This article follows a heartfelt email message regarding the political developments in Catalonia, which I sent both the Saker and Ramin Mazaheri, the only “sakerista” I had the pleasure of meeting with in person. Needless to say I get both a pleasant “break” from the feeling of political solitude and a powerful intellectual “kick” out of reading both gentlemen, and hold dear the conversations I had with Ramin, whether at his favourite watering hole or at my favourite bistro, in Paris.

The Saker asked me if I was interested in expanding the email into an article.

Given, the quite remarkable, if not unique undertaking the Saker has achieved in building a virtual international (and multilingual) community of resistance to “Anglo-Zionism”, a very well-chosen expression to describe the systematic neo-colonial destruction of cultural diversities and the sovereignty of nations around the world, I felt honour-bound to accept.

“Feel free to digress… go on a tangent…” said the Saker. “Slushayu!” is my answer. Clearly, this article is more of a militant call to action for what should and could be than a piece of descriptive analysis or reporting.

As an introduction

I will try to make the case for Catalan independence from an anti-imperialist and pro-Russia mid to long term perspective. There is no contradiction between the two hyphenated words in the previous sentence. On the contrary, I believe that the sovereignty of nations and Russian strength go together hand in glove. Not just at this time in history and not only in the Eurasian context. It was the strength of Russia in its previous soviet incarnation that guaranteed the existence of the Non-Aligned-Movement. With the Russian counterweight out of the way, non-aligned countries were destined for destruction by the the last embodiment of imperialism, the “Anglo-Zionist”, and their indigenous quislings of various hues of political colour and creed. I also believe that the all-out assault against Russia, if successful will reduce not just Russia’s civilizational difference, but also the non-Anglo distinct cultures of the world to the diversity comparable to that of a Macdonald’s menu.

No Spain-bashing

In my case for Catalonia’s drive to sovereignty, I will also try to avoid Spain-bashing. There’s already too much of that around. On the contrary I want to try a mission impossible: make the case for Catalonia from a pro-Spanish position to yield results on the longer run. In fact, if there is a Catalan question in Spain and not in France, it is because the respect for the Catalan regional autonomy in Spain has been greater than in France, and the acculturation process has been more subtle and deadly in France than in Spain.

Much like if the former soviet “stans” of Soviet Central Asia are republics and not Indian reservations, it is because the Russian expansion to the East in Asia has been more respectful of native populations than the Anglo-American expansion to the West in North America. It would seem, unfortunately, that more respect for minorities does not pay on the long run. Maybe had the ruskies been more Anglo-like, the “stans” of Central Asia would have pow-wows and call it a culture, run bingo-halls and call that an economy, with a straight face masquerading despair, I presume.

The “comrade” factor

My support for the drive to independence of Catalonia is also rooted in other reasons some of which often transcend the specifics of the Catalan situation. Some may at first glance seem disconnected, but they are not. Just like pieces of a puzzle that have to be put together patiently. Politics is not a mathematical formula, it does not entail necessarily a linear development.

To begin with I have to say that I live in the Basque Country and am affiliated to a pro-Russia group based in San Sebastian. These two details are not anodyne.

When we take to the streets of San Sebastian to celebrate Russia’s immortal contribution to civilization for the 9th of May Parade, or march in solidarity for the anti-Nazi resistance in Ukraine by demonstrating in favour of the Donbass, or organize cultural events such as the Maslenitza Spring Festival, I know exactly who it is among the Basques who stand with us when we need them. And it is Basques who support their pro-independence Catalan political brethren. To use a quote from Arnaldo Otegi, the most famous of their leaders, it is men and women who look to the Catalan process with “sana envidia” (healthy’ envy)!

I don’t turn my back on those who stand shoulder to shoulder with me when I need them.

There could be a case today to believe that the integrity of old nation states like Spain is the last bulwark of sovereignty against the colonial juggernaut I refer to as Anglo-balization. But I still support the independence drive of Catalonia, because they, the Catalans have always talked the talk of independence and I can’t blame them for trying to walk the walk now that they can. I can’t expect militants who have cared for a cause and passed the relay for generations to make an abrupt 180° turn because, the geopolitical situation has changed dramatically and for the worse.

A fine fight for a generation

When thinking about Catalonia and Spain, I would urge all who call themselves anti-imperialists to think and act trying to adapt the first rule of judo, as in “pull thy who pushes you” and “push thy who pulls you”. This would translate politically into using the energy released by Catalonia by pulling or pushing both the rest of Spain and the independence movement of Catalonia into a new political configuration of the Iberian peninsula, into some kind of multinational federal Third Republic which could do away with the vestiges of the Spanish “transition” to democracy (thus not a clear break from the Francoist past). A new Iberian political space that would ideally include also Portugal. This is clearly the horizon for a generation-long political battle, but the sheer idea of building anew could indeed give the nations of Europe hope for the emergence of new political structures, thus breaking the socially and politically castrating sense that “there are no alternatives” to the status quo.

Russia and Spain

Re-federation for the Iberian and the former soviet space

None other than Vladimir Putin himself has eloquently slammed the narrow minded nationalism that has created serious problems to Russian patriotism. Yeltsin’s Russia abandoned peripheral territories against the will of a fair share of the residents. Spain tends to do the opposite by retaining peripheral territories, against the will of large segments of the populations, called “peripheral” nationalities (Basques, Catalans, Galicians).

These are are polar-opposite attitudes, but also heads and tails of the same coin. For Russia, if a new political structure breaks in the Iberian peninsula or only appears as an hypothesis, it could provide food for thought for some kind of an idea of a precedent, to recuperate (if it is still interested) under a new political dispensation, some of the territories yanked away from her against the will of the people, at the time of the treasonous demise of the Soviet Union.

In other words, anything that can break the Anglo-balized colonial order of the “West”, in a strategically located country like Spain that controls the Western access to the Mediterranean, with shores and harbours both on the Atlantic and the Mediterranean proper, could encourage and also maybe just give a few clues (hopefully a precedent) as to how Russia could re-federate with at least parts of the Ukraine and maybe Belarus, if it wanted to.

Also Spain is the country in Western Europe, which more than any other should have empathy for Russia. Like Russia, Spain, historically, has had to bear the burden of Anglo mischief, starting with the vicious treasonous naval warfare, also known as piracy. It wasn’t the Japanese at Pearl Harbour that invented sneak naval attacks. It is England that made a mockery of the finest act of solidarity man has done to fellow man, ever since man started sailing, namely solidarity among seamen on the high seas. Then, once it could “rule the waves”, passed the strictest anti-piracy legislation, to make sure nobody could do to England what England did to Spain. It clearly wasn’t the US that invented “exceptionalism”.

I firmly believe that Russo-phobia is the direct descendent of the Black Legend, the first modern psychological propaganda war used by England (the root and cradle of the Anglo-sphere) against the competitor at the time, Catholic Spain. Change Catholic for Orthodox, and Spain for Russia and you get the gist. Read some of the slanderous language used to demean Spaniards at the time, compare that with the language used against Russians today, and you’ll find it strikingly, spitefully similar.

Then there is… Gibraltar. Here are two nations (UK and Spain) that share the same economic space, the EU, that are both part of the same military alliance, NATO, but one of them has a colony on the hallowed soil of the other. Is it a version of Gibraltar, that the Anglo-Zionists had in mind for Sevastopol, had Russia not reacted in time?

The Risks

I certainly agree there are many “Maidan-esque” traits to the situation that has developed in Catalonia, and I am also certain that others have highlighted that Catalonia could be to Spain what the Ukraine is to Russia. Even if I find that the comparison is unfair both to to Russia and to Catalonia I can see the point for it at this specific time in history.

But then, “walk a mile in a man’s moccasins” as they say. Is it not about time that somebody in the so-called “West” got a taste of what the Russians had to swallow with the loss of the Ukraine (which contrary to Catalonia now, voted over 70% in favour of maintaining the federal links of the Soviet Union)?

Personally, I certainly would have preferred if it had been the Anglos or the Francos or even the Germans or the Italians to feel Russia’s pain. But, you can’t always get what you want, can you?

There certainly is something else, more eery that warrants questioning regarding the Catalan “crisis”. It is no secret that the Catalan leadership is pro-Zionist and consequently: could trying to breakup Spain be an asymmetric extension to the Western Mediterranean Basin of the Israeli (Yinon) Plan to weaken nation states of the Middle East? A Yinon Plan for the entire Mediterranean Basin? Is that also why, for example the Northern League of Italy is pro-Israel? Why is it that Israel is interested in developing ties with the region of Puglia, on the heel of the Italian boot? Why is the Israeli air-force interested in the airspace above the island of Sardinia, and not say, Sicily? Could that be because the distance from Sardinia to Tel-Aviv is approximately the same (evidently in opposite direction) as that from Israel to Iran?

You don’t need to be a seasoned athlete to figure out that if you are training for a marathon you don’t practice on the 100 meter dash, do you?

Now after Syriza’s pro-Zionist turn in Greece get a map of the Mediterranean and join the dots from east to west from Greece, to the heel of the Italian peninsula, to Sardinia, what’s next if not… Catalonia? Is there some strategic base-link on the Northern Mediterranean shores in the offing?

I am afraid we’ll have an answer to these questions only when it is too late. But, on the other hand, I believe that even if there is new Israeli mischief in the making along the Northern shores of the Mediterranean Sea, it is really irrelevant to the Catalan situation. Unfortunately Israel already gets what it wants from Europeans of all latitudes and longitudes. It does not really need an independent Catalonia.

Of secessions and referenda,

I think the record in Europe is ruefully clear. All the secessions that have taken place in Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall (with the possible exception of the Czech and Slovak “divorce”) were geopolitical objectives carried out with the blessing and support of Anglo-Zionist interests, NATO, the EU and the IMF. Such is clearly the case for the destruction of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, much like that of the Soviet Union. In both cases the ideological drive to the breakup was compounded by a (not so) subliminal and spiteful anti-Orthodox hatred.

As for the value of referenda for the rest of us, ask the French and the Dutch and the Irish if their sovereign decision was respected? On Maastricht maybe?

Scotland and Brexit? Like most things “Anglo” they are overrated. (As most things Russian are underrated).

I like Brexit. Think it’s good when the root country of the Anglo-sphere wants out of our non-Anglo faces and off our non-Anglo backs. We wont’ have to bleed to try to kick them out, like Indian Mutineers or Boer trekkers. I just don’t believe that there isn’t yet another “pirate trick” up their sleeve. But I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt.

As for Scotland. The Scottish nationalists wanted, for example to retain the British pound the EU, NATO and God forbid the British monarchy. What’s left of the bones of Mary Stuart “Queen of Scots” should be spinning around in her grave in angst and anger.

The hard facts on the ground in post-Cold War Europe show us that no popular democratic decision can fly if it breaks with the oligarchic order based on financial capitalism and the military control exercised by NATO.

Only if by magic Spain were to try to get out of NATO, to disengage from austerity policies, join the BRICS, dream on… only then the above mentioned powers that be, would help Catalonia secede. And in such case there would be serious political reasons to stand against the secession.

As things stand, Catalonia’s struggle for independence is a step in the right direction. It will certainly unmask the hypocrisy of “Western” European political elites and hopefully set the stage for a process that could lead eventually to new political structure in the Iberian peninsula. This probably won’t happen, but it should.

If -Inshallah-, the anti-imperialist minded forces in Spain engage with Catalonia there can be hope. It will be a long process, and there is no reason it shouldn’t be.

Both ends of the Eurasian land-mass give us clear cues to how long it takes to emancipate from previous expressions of imperialism. It took 90 years after the Indian Mutiny, for India to achieve its independence from Britain, and still they left the poisonous gift of partition and Pakistan behind. It took116 years for France to emancipate from English rule. The British and their local quislings killed approximately 10 million Indians during and in the wake of the Mutiny. In a previous incarnation they burnt at stake “Saint” Joan of Arc, for “witch-craft”.

Why should it take less for the nations of Europe to emancipate from the Anglo-Zionist “Empire” and the financial oligarchic structure it defends.

Visca Catalunya ! (Long live Catalonia)

The Essential Saker II: Civilizational Choices and Geopolitics / The Russian challenge to the hegemony of the AngloZionist Empire

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There is no majority for a Catalan independence, there are a bourgeois Catalan elite and a very loud clique of urban brats banging pots and pans that would very much like to give that impression, that feeds on victimization and violence to cable that fake image & narrative out.

Quite like the urban brats in Venezuela if Spain allow this to spin out of control which might just be the case if the main donor Soros and his minions were allowed to have it their way.

There is also a majority ordinary and honest, hard working Catalans that didn’t participate in this fake “election” (to avoid legitimize the stunt) and that have little in common with the Catalan elite and their Gucci-clad 2.0 Maidanites,

It’s not that easy like you describe it i just read an interesting comment in a German newspaper online
Here the translation

“I fly to my dream city of Barcelona at least four times a year. I love the hospitality,
the people, the culture, the Mediterranean, the mild climate and the good food. Actually, I had
planned to make a trip to Barcelona again in about 14 days. For almost 30 years I live in
a small hotel, in a side street of the Ramblas. Two hours ago I talked with Carlos who owns a small
Hotel in second generation on the phone. He has advised me not to come, because off all
the development of the situation. He told me that the situation has become more and more delicate for days, but especially today. We have also talked about the cause of the Catalan’s displeasure.
For years the Catalan regional government has been trying to establish a dialogue with the government in Madrid
and find a compromise. This has always been rejected by Madrid. Carlos is the firmly
convinced that the Catalans will now go for the independence.
He blames Rajoy for the situation. It would never have come so far
if Rajoy had shown compromise. Carlos is also afraid of his home country!’

That is in big part due to ignorance of the history of that region of Earth.
Because all “maidan-like” things have two very particular things:
1. they happen all of a sudden, whith quit short roots (a few years at most)
2. they always involve a big deal of extreme violence against the institutions, and also to instill terror on the population at a whole

Those traits are absent in the case of Catalonia:
– the independentist sruggle has 300-year roots (that is, it exists from long before the USA even started into existence)
– the independentist side is nor rioting and burning people alive

That is NOT a maidan-thing.

That being said, maybe the Empire will try to pervert and use it for its own goals, for sure; but the catalan thing is a geniunely catalan thing, not created, and hard to control by the Empire.
Actually (and exactly for those reasons), the Empire would prefer it didn’t happen.

The statement that “all “maidan-like” things …. happen all of a sudden, whith quite short roots (a few years at most)” is blatantly false. The so-called Ukrainian nationalism and anti-Russian movement in Ukraine had pretty deep roots – it was born during the rule of Austro-Hungarian empire over the western Ukrainian provinces, it definitely flourished during Russian civil war, then it showed up its ugly face again during the Great Patriotic war when Ukrainian nazis supported Hitler against Russia, and carried on as an underground movement well into the 1950s. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this reignited. And every time, I think, this was fuelled and helped from the outside. So maidan has long roots alright.

Maidan was not an expression of anger well supported by the Ukrain people, but it was a coup by right wing and zionist Deep state US and EU servants. They were there and used by the US and
payed by the US. If the CIA wasnt medling in the Ukrain then this never had happened.

You better compare catalunya with east Ukrain. Donbass is also very important to the olicharchs in Ukrain because of the riches in the soil and the annual GDP.

Very good article with exceptionally good intentions. However, I do not believe that anything good can come through the forces of Nationalism. Be it Catalan, Basque, Serbian,Croatian, Russian or Anglo or Zionist. Forces of Nationalism belong to the past. There are many faces of the opponents to what should be rightful development of civilization. Both Nationalism and Internationalism can be devastating as long as the worldview is one-sided and exclusive.

In spite of that there are several good signs that already can be traced. First, there are more people than ever before who try to engage in individual thinking and independent assessment of current world situation, Good example for that is this community here. And, yes, the real community is here being built which is built from bottom up. It is not based eider on nationality or on religion although it has strong points of both. Second, the Lie has lost a lot of its appeal to majority of people that it used to have 100 or 50 years ago.

Maybe there is no easy way out. Maybe we will have to live through all this and partially witness same old mistakes. Again some good people would take opposite sides and fight each other, Whatever happens I believe that we will witness new better (in some ways) word being born. I prey for peace and wisdom in meantime.

Fifty years have passed since the treaty of Rome. Curvature of bananas – solved. Size of cucumbers – solved. What happens if a region wants independence – we don’t know.

The love affair of the European regions with the European Union is over. Until now the different regions thought the EU would help them obtain independence. Brexit already showed us the EU is a problem if a country wants its independence back. Catalonia shows us the EU is also a problem if a region wants independence.

First, please forgive my spelling errors:
How about substituting the term “nationalism” with “independence”?
“Nationalism” came in two brands, the left-wing, democratic one after the French revolution and the increasingly right-wing, militaristic and imperialistic after 1848.
To me independence is a matter of democracy. I see no point in Scottish independence from England while remaining under the dictatorship of Brussels (the EU).
If Kurdistani independence comes with the price of being a protectorate under Uncle Sam, I don’t see it as independence at all.
I cannot but welcome the disintegration of the EU of the banksters, and I don’t consider that a kind of balkanisation.
If the independent Catalonia plans to pay their share of the Spanish “debt” to the bankers, national or international, I dont see any sign of real independence at all. Then it is nothing but a show to divert the attention of the people from the issues that really matter.

Not so “beyond a doubt” that a majority of people in Catalonia want independence. There are huge counter demonstrations of those who do not want independence from Spain. Besides, 90 percent of 44% of the voters does not a majority make.

Why keep repeating the big lies of this ethno-chauvinistic movement which lost one referendum several years ago, yet insisted upon organizing another one which was against the law ? The people who were against the referendum just did not participate in this recent annoying re-vote.

Please just keep the facts straight and realize that you are being herded into glib assumptions. The Right in Spain is heavy handed but effective and they are doing everything legally at the moment.
Every state exists due to a monopoly on the means of repression. Spain is no different. Let us hope Rajoy avoids the mistake of making unnecessary martyrs.

“It was the strength of Russia in its previous soviet incarnation that guaranteed the existence of the Non-Aligned-Movement.” Not only of the Non-Aligned Movement but of the entire free world. If Nazi Germany had conquered Soviet Russia (while UKUSA sat back and watched) there would have been no free world for in which a Non-Aligned Movement could develope.

As to your main point, I do not think this is the time for Catalonian independence (even though I personally favour Catalonia and the Basque country). Quite apart from my crude political rule of thumb (any group waving an Israeli flag is up to no good – eg, Barzani Kurds), there has been too much dismembering and destabilization of sovereign states by NATZO lately (Kosovo, Iraq, South Sudan, Libya, the Ukraina, Syria and the current attempt to carve an Israeli type of ethnic supremacist Eretz Kurdistan out of Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Let us get back to National Sovereignty and the Rule of Law, as Pres.Putin said re UN, before we begin rocking the international boat again.

We have had peak European Union, and now we are going back to nation-states. In some cases – Molenbeek in Belgium, Rinkeby in Sweden – we are going to see the emergence of city-states, with laws different from the surrounding country, and not accepting the authority of the surrounding country.
I expect the old alliances between nation-states to come back, too. Look at the countries which oppose the EU refugee redistribution plan, and you see the Austrian-Hungarian empire of a century ago.
I do not see this as necessarily bad. In todays’ chaning world, a single, unified response might be the wrong one. Instead, let different countries experiment with different solutions to todays’ problems. See what works and copy it.

Never forget that the engine of catalan and basque separatism is supremacism , most separatist catalan and basques are supremacists , they believe they are superior to the rest of spaniards . Nothing good may come out of it .

And also remember that the spanish civil war finished in the spring of 1939 , and that WWII started in september 1939 , don`t rock the boat , be realistic , the world is already at the brink of WWIII .

Viva España ! Cataluña included and in Spanish ,which is the common language of Spain and Spanish America , fed up with the viscas and with opinionated sabelotodo anglos . Do not forget that at least 2/3 of catalans do not want independence .

When you go to Montreal , Quebec , it is evident the bad French that speak the quebecois .

Years ago I went to Montrèal and the first day I spoke english and people told me Monsieur , ici on parle français , ah ! tres bien je parle français aussi , then I spoke french to them and they told me that I spoke a very good french , they asked me if I was fron Paris .

But the reality is that I am fron Spain , my french is decent , but not perfect , and their french was so bad that they thought that my french was good , and even that I was from Paris ,

“Is it a version of Gibraltar, that the Anglo-Zionists had in mind for Sevastopol, had Russia not reacted in time?”

Think not. The Maidan Nazi putsch was thirsting badly for mass-murder against Russians, especially in Crimea. What springs to mind as the most likely Anglo-Zionist solution is the total destruction and evil which they visited upon the hapless inhabitants of Diego Garcia half a century ago, turning the island into a US military base as was their intention in Crimea too.

The Independistas in Catalonia, unlike the Russian population in Crimea, are not in any danger of physical or cultural annihilation. Their aspirations don’t break with Anglo-Zionism. The author points out: “Only if by magic Spain were to try to get out of NATO, to disengage from austerity policies, join the BRICS, dream on… only then the above mentioned powers that be, would help Catalonia secede”. This is, of course, a 100% correct conclusion. The corollary which applies in the given circumstances is that since neither the central government in Madrid, nor the Catalan local government/the Independistas have any such desires, the Zionazis’ prevalent attitude is one of calm and, at bottom, indifference. And, speaking of Gibraltar, if Spain broke away from the Zionazi orbit and were rapidly joined by Gibraltar, then you were to hear the very same Tourette tics about “Spain’s illegal annexation of Gibraltar” forever.

Come on Azorka ! ( basque ? ) , I am half basque and I love Spain , Europe and Hispanic America . The catalan and basque ” leaders ” ,have a big credibility problem . The Spanish Autonomic System has been an economical ruin , too expensive to maintain , 17 mini states in a small country like Spain . Autonomies are a brutal tirany . Autonomy Authorities end up feeling like divine Roman Emperors and telling you what language to speak , what language your children must speak at school , what do you have to think , they reinvent the history at their benefit , and they charge you enormous taxes to pay for their abuses .

I am Spanish. I am against the rupture of Spain. An anti-imperialist Anglo-Zionist supports the secession of Catalonia promoted by Soros and the Zionists. The author is a friend of the leader of ETA who killed 1000 people, wounded 15,000 and caused the exile of 200,000 Spaniards from the Basque provinces. ETA supports the Catalan separatists.
I am anti-imperialist. I sympathize with Russia. What I do? I have it clear. First of all my homeland.
Pro Russians will have to be smart if they do not want to lose the ample support they have among us, the Unitarian Spaniards.

Sorry, but that is a typical ad hominem by means of guilt by association.
That does not quality as ‘argument’
The Saker
PS: oh, and just in case you wonder about me, I am opposed to Basque and Catalan separatism and I am totally pro-Spain.

Who benefits from sowing destruction of countries by such divisions? The ordinary Catalonians? No way. They will have to fund the well remunerated lifestyles of all the connected bureacrats needed for the endless international committees an independent country has to attend if it wants its interests considered. Then there will be the maximum contributions to NATO and the funding of US bases. The vaunted 20% of Spains GDP will drop when more companies and isnstitions move out. The idiots are being used by others, just as those oridinary Ukrainians at the Ukraine Maidan were used.

It is in some ways a very good thing that Catalonia’s bid for independence is playing out simultaneously with that of the Kurds, because it gives us a front row seat to see the hypocrisy, duplicity and well practised double standards of Westrn countries.

The Russian and Iranians keep pointing out how inconsistent the US and its allies are and whats happening with these 2 quests for independence is a graphic illustration.

Putin just reminded the EU how it enthusiastically welcomed the separation of Kosovo from Serbia – which was acheived with force and deception – but then turned around and slapped sanctions on Russia when Crimea voted to part ways with Ukraine and join Russia.

Now look at this headline from South Front:

ISRAEL ASKS FOR AIR CORRIDOR TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO IRAQI KURDISTAN IN ITS STANDOFF AGAINST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT – REPORTS

Here again we will be able to see the nature of the beast in action as the West does what it always do and sides with the criminal entity of Israel and work to facilitate the destabilization of Iran, Iraq and Syria by funneling material support to the Kurds.

The EU has taken a hands-off approach to Catalonia, inisting that its an internal Spanish issue that must be resolved by them and their constitution.

Now we await their response to Zion’s request that violence be used in carving up Iraq – for starters.

Russia has the capacity to deny the criminal Israelis an air corridor over Syrian air space, and this it must resolutely do, if it does not wish to see all its hard work in Syria undone.

Please be aware that land-locked “Kurdistan” is only viable if neighbouring countries voluntarily support it or are “weak” enough to not be able to challenge its existence.

The Israelis are ultimately behind all this instability assailing the region and it is being done to make “Greater Israel” a reality.

What everone should be asking themselves is this:

If the criminal entity of Israel with its present size has brought only murder and mayhem to its neighbors for decades what horrors can we expect from it if allow to expand?

At this point in history, all independence movements in the Western hemisphere are somewhat disingenuous and misguided.

The governmental institutions of Western nation states have long ago become mere movie sets for media-driven, purely symbolic enactment of statecraft for public entertainment and mass control, while the real power has shifted to global players of an altogether different caliber – the tight-knight web of generational hoaxer families that run the banking cartel, and through it, all other cartels. Debt slavery of states, corporations and citizens is there deal and they have no intention to surrender any of the power that this particular trade brings with it anytime soon.

Do they care it their debtors happen to be Spaniards or Catalans? Not really, I would guess.

To my ears, you just made an excellent argument for independence movements that create small, more localized governments that are closer and more responsive to the people they govern.

“Europe” is certainly not democratic and not responsive to the desires of its citizens. Look for example at the regular renewals of the punative sanctions against Russia. These harm European citizens and businesses, and there are several countries that appear to oppose them. Yet, every six months or a year or so the sanctions are regularly renewed by a non-elected, non-democratic body that rules Europe. There is no debate. There is certainly no referendums asking what the people think. Most of the governments of Europe appear to have little or no say in this regard.

Most ‘countries’ are similar. Powerful national governments that do not listen and do not respond to the desires of the people. These governments do the bidding of mega-corporations that buy the corrupt politicians.

Put power back to levels that are closer to the people, and while that is not a sure fix to the problem, at least the people have more of a fighting chance to control and influence their government.

For example, in the US, its easier and possible to talk to and influence a county commission or city council. At least you can talk to those people. And local organizing can be effective is swaying opinions or possible electing new people. But, at the national level, its nearly impossible to meet and talk to a Congress person, and Senators are unreachable, and the President is some disconnected God-like figure that getting within a few hundred feet of only results in security shooting or arresting a citizen. That’s great for AIPAC or the big defense contractors and the big bankers who want to buy and control these people. But its lousy for ordinary citizens who want to influence policy.

The short video clip above is from a longer Catalan TV3 interview with Alejandro Cao de Benós. Mr Benós is a Catalan communist and activist who has worked in various capacities as an international PR advocate of North Korea. From Wikipedia, he is: Special Representative of the Foreign Ministry of North Korea. He is, according to himself, also the Special Delegate of North Korea’s Committee for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries.

The interview is in Catalan, with Spanish subtitles. He is saying that the only financially viable way that Catalonia can be independent, would be to become a kind of “colony of Israel”. Given that the relations between Zionism and the Catalan ruling elites are already openly amorous, the prospect is rather disquieting.

Beyond that, the more I think about the behaviour and discourse issuing from most of the forces behind Catalan independence at present, the least convincing I find them. This is a bourgeois nationalist discourse based to a large extent in the promotion of ethic nonsense, and the even more nonsensical claims that Catalonia is “oppressed” by Madrid.

The degree of regional autonomy in the 18 different “Comunidades Autónomas” that Spain is made of, is without equal anywhere in Europe, especially for the Basque country and Catalonia. One of the reasons Spain is in real danger of disintegrating as a state is precisely the intensity of the decentralization arrangement that developed after the creation of the autonomic system in 1977-1979. It is a system in which the juridical status and competencies of each autonomic community is never settled, but always open to negotiations between the central and regional political forces. The direction is always in the sense of more decentralization. It is a feel-good system if you want to brag of having a radically decentralized state like no other, where competencies are determined by whatever you can obtain by political pressures from the nationalist parties in the different regions. But it is not a tenable system, and it gives raise to enormous asymmetries between the different regions. I think it highly likely that Spain will disintegrate because of this. And of course because there are always plenty of forces elsewhere for whom the balkanization of a relatively large state looks like an attractive prospect.

The comparison with France made in this article is insufficiently clear. It is not that the “acculturation process” has been more “subtle” in France. France has had a strong centralizing policy going back at least to the 16th century and becoming very strong after the end of the Ancien Régime, by late 18th century. In particular regarding to languages, France had a much greater linguistic variety than Spain and it set out a deliberate policy to eliminate those languages, because state planners felt they were an obstacle to the construction of a strong centralized state.
Those who can read French will find plenty of quotes from late 18th century thinkers and planners, where the spirit of language extermination is made very clear.http://www.axl.cefan.ulaval.ca/francophonie/HIST_FR_s8_Revolution1789.htm

Catalan has full official status in Spanish Catalonia. It is *the* language of instruction in public schools. It suffers no persecution of any kind. On the other hand, the only way you can send your children to a school offering instruction in Spanish, is by sending them to private school, even though it is officially one of the two official languages in Catalonia.

This means that all claims of “linguistic and cultural discrimination” (a phrase used by Puigdemont in his famously dadaist speech on October 10, are totally bogus. The discrimination, if any, is clearly in the other direction.

Of course I have a profound dislike towards the main political parties in Spain’s central government, especially the party in power, a bunch of disgusting louts and institutionalized thieves. The political ruling party in Catalonia have been their allies and soulmates since the beginning of the autonomic process. The presidency of Jordi Pujol, lasting 23 years, is now known to have been a total cesspool of massive thievery, with Pujol and his clan skimming 3% of all contract projects assigned by the government. A true mafia satrapie. Pujol’s successor, Artur Mas, was of the same stock. And so is Puigdemont, who by the way was not elected (neither has Rajoy).

The similarities with Maidanite ukraine are not easy to dismiss, in spite of all the obvious differences. One aspect where Catalan nationalists resemble Ukrainians is in the totally delirious beliefs many of them have regarding the grandeur, past, present and future, of the incomparable nation of Catalonia/Ukraine. Some of those speeches sound like self-parodies.

Perhaps an adequate way to finish the unsavory nature of this independence movement, is to quote Jordi Pujol himself. In a book he published in 1976, he had this to say about Andalousian people (who at that time were the bulk of the working class in Catalonia). He became president of Catalonia 4 years later, a position he held for 23 years.

The Andalusian man is not a coherent man, he is an anarchic man. He is a destroyed man […] he is generally an insufficiently-developed man [un hombre poco hecho] a man who has been dealing with hunger for hundreds of years and who lives in a state of ignorance and of cultural, mental and spiritual destitution. He is a rootless man, incapable of having a sufficiently ample sense of community. He often demonstrates that he is made of excellent human stock, but he represents the least valuable sample of social and spiritual worth in all Spain. I’ve said it before: he is a destroyed and anarchic man. If by dint of numbers he ever came to dominate without having overcome his own perplexity, he would destroy Catalonia. And he would introduce his anarchic and destitute mentality, that is to say, his lack of mentality.

La immigració, problema i esperança de Catalunya
Editorial Nova Terra, Barcelona, 1976
by Jordi Pujol
President of Catalonia from 1980 to 2003

Unpayable racist text by looter Pujol, thanks for providing it.
Just of the same kind and the very line as those writtings by Sabino Arana which make the main bedside books of the Basque nationalists, the author so keenly supports, and which constitutes the only base for their own exceptionality/ differential fact…..

Nationalist have embittered the lifes of the Spanish people, included Basques and Catalans, and have empoverished the regions they so deeple declare to love more tha naybody else, since ages, all with the unpayable help of the CIA, NED, and so on…..Yes, and it is that there are loves who kill….

This is a stereotype. All nationalist thinkesr in the XIX were racist (allso the Spanish nationalists and their treatement of colonies). Things evolve, you cannot hold on in that stereotyppes only to discredit a people (Basque people) or an ideology.

Are not Arzallus and Egibar any more part of the Euzkadi Buru Batzar?
Of course, Arana writtings was more the bedside book of the right wing Basque nacionalists, but, anyway, the sense of exceptionalism and “difference” and the aim to emphasize this/ese “difference/s” for profit in their favor is general amongst all the nacionalist movements, be it Basque, Catalan, or from Ougadugu.

Amazing! You have managed, word for word, to describe recent past and present Serbia. Change the names but system and its effects are exactly as you describe them. What is tragic, is that majority on every side are to suffer if things spiral out of control. Essentially, it is only them that can gain something and you will be the ones to suffer as such thing have a tendency to turn violent.

In one case we watched our own, then opposition politicians, calling for more NATO bombs to be dropped on us while in the safety abroad, evading their obligation to answer the call for mobilization as we did. And, after the coup, those guys came to power. It was not long, they started “bourgeois nationalist discourse based to a large extent in the promotion of ethic nonsense”, here i would only like to add- to highest bidder. On both sides of course. Because they are the same type of people just on the opposing sides, often friends, as a rule-business/crime associates.

Reign those people in. In Barcelona and Madrid. Who knows, they just might at this moment negotiate the price for a remake of Spanish civil war? How to convince your countrymen that such evil exists and is intent in causing you all harm of unknown magnitude , even unwillingly, possibly coincidentally, up to and including-civil war is a question we struggle also. Remind them what happened to us if they doubt that such thing is possible and ask them how can they be certain that it is not going to happen in Spain.

Word of caution, if you here name Srđa Popović and CANVAS or OTPOR in Spain, be aware that CIA and Soros are involved. They made him in Belgrade and later used him in Libya and Egypt during Arab spring series of coups. Man love their money.
And another one, never take your eyes of observers and negotiators.

Jose Puertas
Yesterday at 11:17am
Coffee for everybody and the balkanization of Spain.///Spain has a huge problem called “Estado de las Autonomías” (a product of the Spanish transition towards democracy after Franco’s death). This sort of highly decentralized regional structure (known as “cafe para todos”, coffee for everybody) have created 18 satrapies where regional satraps have been promoting regional proto-nationalisms blaming “Spain” for all the problems originated mostly by the own regional satraps and local oligarchs. Is not only Catalonia. Right now nationalist movements are becoming strong everywhere in Spain. In places where never have been such movements. It´s a centrifuge force since many “autonomous governments” (with their own Parliament and their own administration and some of them even with their own police) control the education (in all levels from primary school to university) and they run their own public mass media promoting a distorted vision on history and a political narrative adapted to the interests of the ruling regional satraps and the regional ruling elites. #gonzoblogger #coffee4everybody #Spain #Cataloniacrisis

I believe in Freedom. There are several things that I feel are fundamental to a person being free. One of those is that they get to have a say in what government rules them. If a person does not have a say or a choice in the government that claims to rule them, then they can not be considered to be free.

Being an American, I grew up with the following words.

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Those words are from the American Declaration of Independence. http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/. They follow the more famiiar bit about Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Note two key concepts within these words. First, that a government can not be considered legitimate if that government does not have the consent of the governed. Second, that people have the basic right to institute a new government that they feel will most likely effect their Safety and Happiness.

If people do not have those basic rights with regard to their government, they can not be considered to be free.

I see no problem with the world being a bunch of smaller, more localized ‘states’ rather than todays Powers and Superpowers. The people who want the giant supersized states are those who want to deny freedom and control people. The principle author of the above words also once said that “government closest to the people governs the best”. Yet, that is inconvenient to giant corporations and the super-rich. They prefer a one-stop-shopping in governments where if they buy or rig a giant government that is far from the people they most efficiently gain the max power over the people. Its easier to buy off a majority of a national or supernational congress than it is to buy off and rig many smaller local governments. And of course, the far-off national or super-national body is inaccessable to ordinary people, but is very accessible to the lobbyists of the rich.

I believe in Freedom. And this is a fundamental right that people must have if they are to consider themselves to be free.

It is pretty amazing that you quote those words from the Constitution as if they current US rulers (for many years now) had not made it abundantly clear that they don’t have the least regard for those words, that the main tenets of Constitution has been for all purposes abolished…etc

Let’s suppose the ruling elites in a State of the US, let’s say California, decide they would be better off separating, so they nurture a nationalist movement, they talk about how unfairly they are treated by the rest of the US, especially some of the states in the middle who are backward and lazy, getting a free lunch from hardworking Californians. They also get a lot of financing and support from all kinds of foreign forces.

Then one day the State legislature says they are going to make a law whereby they will organize a referendum for secession, and if they get at least 50%, they will declare independence. Unilaterally. Just like that.

You can imagine many variations to the above. For example, the counties that make up the peninsula from San Jose to San Francisco (Santa Clara, San Mateo and San Francisco counties) where Mamon has been generous bestowing his gold. They get together and indicate they are going to hold a referendum to become their own state, cause they don’t like paying taxes that go to projects in backward areas of California.

Just try to think for a moment how things would go from there. And the meaning of the words you quoted as applied to that.

“I believe in Freedom. And this is a fundamental right that people must have if they are to consider themselves to be free”

Yes, but do not forget that your freedoom end where others freedom beguins.
Otherwise it becomes debauchery.

I would like you to consider the golden rule too “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you” if you want to speak catalan it is fine for me, but try not to impose unto me that obligation, because I do not want to speak it, nor my kids.

Apropo, the freedom they want it is unreachable (for them and for any os us in this world we live in) they will just change a master (maybe bad) for another (surely worst)

There are some interesting articles/reports, some translated in part from Spanish, in the comments section of this article at Fort Russ which contradict the main points of the author and prove the dirty hand of the US, NATO and Israel in all this issue of Catalonian independence movement:

Let us consider America. Many do not know that the current US Consititution was not the original form of government in America. The first form of government was called the “Articles of Confederation”. This was how America governed itself during its war of Independence and for about a decade afterwards.

This original federal government only got money directly from import/export duties, which in today’s “free trade” world would be small amounts. Most of the funding of this original national government came from the states voting to send money to the federal government.

So, lets look at America’s Endless War. Currently, its funded and approved by Congresspeople and Senators. Many of these are in guranteed seats which are gerrymander such that one party holds the seat. Incumbents have huge funding and other advantages, such that only a small portion of the Congress is competitively elected. You can not meet nor talk with these people. And if you want to unseat one of them, it takes about $10 million for a competitive House race and $50 million for a contested Senate race. And given the American system, created by this same out-of-touch federal government, an outsider trying to challenge for one of these elections can actually be met with pretty much unlimitted funding from the bankers and the war machine.

The original system relied on the state governments to provide funding. Thus, if America was still ruled by the Articles of Confederation, there could be debates in 50 seperate state legislatures over whether or not America’s Endless Wars would be continued to be funded. A citizen can talk to State Senators and State Representatives. An election for such offices is closer to home, and such an election is easier to win with a grassroots campaign that organizes.

This of course is an odious prospect for the War Machine. They don’t want 50 seperate fights to fund their Endless Wars. They want to buy a majority of Senators and Representatives who are unreachable to anyone but their lobbyists. Thus they obtain the situation where even when majorities of Americans want these wars to end, they can not achieve that result. The minority that wants and profits from these Endless Wars controls the system and can not apparently be touched.

That’s just one example of how a world of smaller, more localized ‘states’ would be more responsive to the people.

You referenced the Native Americans in North America. As NAFTA is being modernized/re-negotiated, Perry Bellegarde (Canada’s National Chief, Assembly of First Nations) discusses the case for an Indigenous chapter in the revised free trade agreement.

With respect to North American Indigenous rights, the primary threat in 2017 seems to come from corporations, desiring control of resources. That’s not to underestimate the cultural devastation and inferior treatment that these people have received for generations from all government institutions. However, it is a bit of a misrepresentation in 2017 to view this as strictly one culture versus another. The corporations (oil and gas, mining, forestry, water, real estate developers) wield much power in the debate.

Great article Rob! Considering that Rob is an Italian living in France, close to the border of Spain…he certainly has his finger on the pulse of Latin Europe. Good to see you using “Anglo-balization” – I have found that original concept of yours quite helpful!

My point of view is mixed: I think Catalonia is an upper class, fake “colour” revolution, and from what I read very few leftists in Spain support it…Aat the same time, Spain still destabilises Latin America constantly, and also anything which weakens Western Europe seems like a good thing in principle. But overall I would say it is just a distraction on the same level as Islamic terrorism is in France – Spain simply doesn’t go for that, so they have this instead. It’s interesting that as soon as corporations started to move out the entire tune changed.

We cannot compare Spain and Catalonia with Iraqi Kurdistan, where independence would be catastrophic. Independence for Catalonia seems rather like petty nationalism…but it’s a whole different kettle of fish because we are talking about Europe and Spain, so I remain kind of split on it. Good job on connecting the dots between Zionism’s involvement in both Kurdistan and Catalonia – that should not inspire much confidence….

But I see your point that longtime separatists can’t walk away now.

And I agree that on a real level any sort of destabilising movement in a West European country is a positive thing because it could create a new political movement, which we sorely need in the euro zone. That point there may be the main thing to consider regarding Catalonia.

An important thing to keep in mind is that the Catalonians are pacafists – they have not shown any violence in any of their protests. Yet, the nobody can deny that the militarised police went in and beat people up quite aggresively – people worldwide watched this live on television. Now the Spanish government claims this is fake news… The Europen Union has not in any way denounced the harsh crackdown. But, for example in other cases – very specifically – in Syria they denounced such actions.In the case of Ukraine, the government in fact refrained from repressing the violent mob – but the EU denounced the (old) goverment anyway. So, in this case the constitution is absolutely sacrosant – to the extent that the Spanish goverenment can inforce it by force. The double standards are ruly stunning – and its shows up a lot of hypocricy.What it basically tells us is that most people (but especially governments) are frauds when it comes to their so-called principles.

There are a lot of people here who make statements with now direct knowledge of the situation:
I happen to have some business contacts in Catalonia and Spain (and in some of the Spanish islands) with whom I have confernece call meetings every other week. I also have a client who is Spanish, but living in Catalonia. I have asked them all (confidentially and seperately) about this situation.There seems to be consensus that the main problem is that the Spanish government has for decades refused to discuss or negotiate the issues. The main issue being that Catalonians are paying more taxes than anyone else, but their region does not benefit from the taxes. So they feel they are beeing exploited and ignored at the same time. They produce more, but recieve less. Some of the Spanish have toldme that the problem is also that the Catalonians are asking too much in return for their taxes – but they would not disagree on the fact that tha Spanish government won´t talk to them about it. As for all this talk about Soros, et al. Soros is in support of the EU, not against it – these are just feeble arttempts to try and discredit the Catalonians by all means. The E.U. hs shown its true face in all of this and we all know what happèned in Ireland and Portugal when they voted in referendums – they had to vote again until the voted correctly…

People don´t realise it yet, but this trend is likely to grow worldwide, because peoples world-wide aspire to true independence and freedom. True Multi-Polarity,sovereignity and Self-Determination.

Russia and BRICS also supported this idea (promoted it even) until recently, but seems to have made an about turn on this idea – or have adjusted their approach to it. Well, too late – people have taken the muti-polarity message to heart already.

I think there is too much propaganda concerning ‘The catalan question’. 1st of all, I believe that all need to deescalate the situation and just talk. That being said, there are two types of Catalan supporting Independence: The left-wing and the much small right-wing supporters. A clear majority wanted to do a referendum. A lesser majority wants catalonia to become a country. To say that vote was fake or illegal is just not true-that the Catalan pulled off a referendum was a miracle considering Madrid actions. To say that violence used by Madrid was faked or not overly violent is completely absurd. I think that people need to really talk to catalan people to understand the situation. Yes for sure the right-wing nationalism one sees is troubling-as some of these people think independence will be a gold rush for catalonia. The left-wing Catalan are in general much more rational. There is really one reason and only one reason for independence: FRANCO. The Catalan have been trying for decades to achieve closure on this dark period of Spain to no avail. Madrid refuses to talk about and the PP political party has more to do with Franco policies than democracy (but not all the time). The Catalan have tried and tried for closure and things have arrived where they are today because of this. And some other things should be pointed out for clarification. Some people seem to think that Soros is behind referendum and even offering money! Pretty absurd and unless proven that much more exists, Soros has given only about 26,000€ to Catalonia (hardly a figure that can finance the referendum. There is a different article on this website that claimed that the Catalan are following The Right Sector in Ukraine by using a similar flag. Absurdity. The red/Black flag comes from the CNT/FAI anarchist trade Unions that fought Franco! And members of CNT/FAI were mostly killed. But, how and when is often not known being that until this year it was illegal for anyone in Spain to investigate the atrocities during Franco regime. Also, ask the catalan about franco’s security forces using them for animal feed. I even spoke to an american friend yesterday and she said that more and more germans seem to be denying that the Holocaust happened. I do not know if true but most certainly the Holocaust happened and not just jewish people but gypsies, left-wing intellectuals and of course members of CNT/FAI (and still others). If you do not think true please read A Koestler’s book ‘Thieves in the Night’. One of the reasons I was impressed with Oliver Stone’s long interviews with V Putin was that one was able to understand much better V Putin after watching interviews! Not to mention that he seems to be willing to face history. Madrid does not want to do this.
In finality, most catalan want the system changed for all of Spain. So, to say catalonia is against the rest of spain is totally incorrect (other than the small minority of right-wing catalan). for the spanish to say that madrid is fighting for the unity of Spain is all not really true either: they are just trying to hold onto the power structure they have had since civil war. For the Catalan this is not a political issue but a social and historical issue and that is why most Catalan political party’s are pro-independence-they are just saying what the Catalan want. So what to do what to do??? Everyone should take a chill pill and bring in someone to mediate situation. For any and all future escalations could easily and quickly turn to violence.

Talk about mental gymnastics. Robert Scarcia’s appeal to “sakeristas” to support a Zionist separatist’s movement that is admittedly anathema to their belief system boils down to essentially pressing the “nuclear button” and in the ensuing chaos pray that the falling chips will realign in favor of an anti-imperialist Europe. Not only is this cravenly cynical but conflate Catalonia’s independence with Marxist revolution.

On no, Jo Kang I won’t let you get away with that!
What is “cravenly cynical” is your conflation of legitimate political revolt (the redrawing of an Iberian political entity like a Third Republic) with nuclear war…
I see through your message: subliminal scaremongering serving the status quo.
On the Zionists, the article is very clear. I will spell it out further for you, Jo Kang: Israel has already all it wants from all us euros of all longitudes and latitudes of our Anglo-balized colonized whitie-stans, Catalonia or no Catalonia. Alas!
Marxist Revolution? Where’s any mention to that?
On “sakeristas”: I certainly hope you are not one of us; because with “sakerista” friends like you who need “Anglo-Zionist” enemies? Nothing personal, Jo Kang. Everything political.

If you don’t think mass insurrection will eventually lead to blood shed then you are naive. There is no scaremongering here. My argument is that you are essentially promoting a “proxy war.” That, is cravenly cynical.

Portbou did a memorial and has a Walter Benjamin day every year that was recently implemented! The film is very well done but does not fully expose the truth, mostly because that truth is impossible to fully discover being that all or at least most evidence was destroyed. That being said, when I studied Marcuse with a professor whom received his pHD from H Marcuse and as well was a very good friend, we talked at length about this mystery! Yes, the suicide was faked and with almost certainty W Benjamin was killed by the gestapo (with help from guardia civil). And the law that was changed day of his arrival that made it necessary for all foreigners to show ID to local security upon arrival in Spain, was most certainly put in place to trap W Benjamin. Anyways, the point is that the Catalan are trying to face their history (even the really bad parts), while Madrid shrugs off most inquiries about Franco regime.

My position, as Basque (so, as a member of a national mnority in Spain):

Catalonia has right to decide if they want to continue in Spain of not. But ufortunately (for pro-independence), they do not have a majority to declare an UDI. Puigdemont is not being intelligent here, if he was, he will engage to the wider “pro-referendum” sector, and not walk only with pro-independence people (a lot of pro-referendum people didn’t not voted in the 1st October referendum because thy thoought tat 1-X wasnot a real referendum, but one with a “written answer”). 75-80% of Catalan people is for a referendum, so I think that this must be the starting poitn to settle a conflict.

But I do not agree when the articulist said or tends to make tiink that Catalonia independence can rbing a weakening of Anglo-Zionist Empire. Neither the opposite question, that is is an Anglo-Zionist movement. Both sectors, the Catalan independentists and the Sanish unitaritsts are elad by pro-EU fanatics (Spanish main argument is “in EU no one loves your independence”, Catalonia,in its side, has made Maidan-inspired videos). But the particular ideology of the actors in the play does not determine (necessarily) the elites posiiton, we cannot deduce a Soros involvement only because one actor “wants to be on Soros team” (the Catalan elites). Both EU and NATO have supported Spanish unitarism; an catalan “right to decide” have bee supported by different ators as Milorad Dodik (Republika Srpska), Viktor Orbán, Denis Pushilin or German AfD and Die Linke parties.

Regarding the crisis in Spain, there are some theories around to the effect that Zion never forgets, and that this is nothing but payback for Spain expelling most Jews (at least those who refused to “convert”) way back in 1492.

Hard to say how much substance this has, given that the Spanish state has been increasingly cozy with Israel and zionism over the last few decades. But perhaps the zionists feel they will receive a much more enthusiastic level of subservience and reverence from the Catalan ruling classes if they manage to convert it to an independent state.

And of course the probable eventual disintegration of Spain if Catalonia is “liberated” by these colorful balloons, will be pleasant news for many forces. In this sense, I think Ramin and others are wrong to believe that any bad news to any western european country is good news for anti-imperialism. Not so fast. The globalist no-borders ideology is happier controlling smaller and smaller statelets. They yield much more easily to the slightest strong-arming suggestion. There is a program or project, check it out, called the “Europe of the Regions” that strives to have just that, supposedly to promote enhanced identity feelings for each little territory with some feelings of special specialness. These feelings are, apparently, easy to nurture on a mass scale. It is said that brainwashing a whole lot of people simultaneously is much easier than trying to do it on a one-to-one basis. Maybe it is true.

My pulse on the sentiment among most Spaniards today is that they are completely fed up with the Catalan endless whining and periodic temper tantrums. I remember a post by Saker not long ago where he just made the case for eastern European countries, especially Poland, to please forget completely about Russia, to just leave Russians alone. One gets the feeling that he considers it a waste of time to try to converse with people who seem to be brainwashed or irrational well beyond any possibility of rehabilitation.

I’d say many Spaniards have the same feeling about this particular region of Spain, Catalonia, and would be happy to just see them go. Holding back these feelings stand at least two obvious things:

1 knowledge that a breakup of Spain at present will have bad consequences for all parties involved, at least in the short-medium term, perhaps forever. Eternal debt peonage and the sacrificial selling of the entire country to global capital will seem even closer to reality than they already are. Greece seems to be the model. The way of the future.

2. knowledge that more than half the population in Catalonia are not independentists (independent polls say that), that a large portion of them have roots from elsewhere in Spain and do not want to see Spain broken up. Many of these people already feel the atmosphere and hostility towards them to be borderline unbearable. Should Catalonia become independent, this feeling will only grow. Ethnic Russians in the Baltics have experience in this kind of thing.

Independentists bank on the expectation that they don’t need to have a majority in polls. They expect that a sufficiently motivated, obedient and remotely controlled minority hovering around 40 percent should be enough to do the job, taking into account that in that corner of the world, physically restraining bratty children during a temper tantrum is considered in bad taste. If they want a lollypop and proceed to throw a kicking and screaming tantrum about it, you are supposed to give them the lollypop to calm them down, and that’s that. Anything else would be construed as child abuse.

Very well explained, that´s the crude reality. Thanks for your comment.
And yes, the rest of Spain is fed up with the contiuous claims and menaces of this priviledged people, the ones with the higuest living standars in Spain and always complaining in case they could grab some more pelas, and who reached this higue standars of living thanks to the unestimable help of an army of workers coming from every corner of the most depressed parts of Spain, especially from Andalucía, precisely the people so contemptuously described by Jordi Pujol in a some statements transcripted above worth to be raised to the Hague Court, a man who have never sweated in his whole life, not even when caught red handed, the least for Catalonia, a community which he has not hesitated in plundering along with his wide family.

The whole leadership of this “independence movement” is an authentic shame, these all would not represent the working people, that ones who is majority everywhere under the sun, not even in their worst nightmares ( of the working people ).
If Pujol and the likes would have any characteristic which could excel over the common Spaniard that would be the real aversion to work and the ability to commit economic crimes.

Alot written, not much said, except this author thinks we just analyze tactically, but are lost strategically.

The ‘anglo-zionists’ , as some like to call them, are no more than a very organized tribal syndicate of international Jews ( yes, I said it, that’s right), who have gained control over the west, and various lackeys here and there, through a rigged economic shell-game.

This hopeless and miserable group knows the jig is up, and thus are ramming things up. They are it seems throwing double-down.

They want cessation everywhere it suits them, but not where it doesn’t.

These slippery folks support Catalonian independence, are intimate with Kurdish machinations, heck, they probably neck deep plotting with the Berbers of North Africa as we speak, but oddly, not one sec of news coverage on the aspirations of the people of Kashmir. Well, because India and Israel are serious bedfellows. Israel is assisting and training the terror troops of Myanmar crack down on Muslims there. Israel was all over the place in Georgia, and they were in the open about it.
As a matter of fact, Israel is now, in the process of ‘training’ United States of American police departments on tactics of suppression of civilians, which the world knows Israel is the consistent gold medalist at this type of terrorism.

I could go on.

But what i’m trying to say is simply that Jews, throughout their sad history, have been at the forefront of revolution and upheaval. And now they are just accelerating because they have no choice. If these said Jews cant have the world , as our masters, then no one can. They plan on doing as much damage as they can.

After breaking up the Arabs with this Kurdish thing, and soon to be Berber one. Where does one think the ‘momentum’ of global ‘upheaval’ will go. Straight to Iran, then Russias soft underbelly. North western China will heat up for Beijing.

Its all or nothing for these (removed insult,MOD)
, and the trifecta of Russia, Iran and China are paying close attention, believe me.

I have to go, cheers, Salam wa Alekum.

Maidan, was a totally engineered Jewish affair. High officials in the Donbass have said the same.

The Jews who have power and influence in the west(and this includes the temporary entity Israel), support the Myanmar government in

Wasn’t the nation state founded upon imperial ambitions? Colonial England, France etc…, where creations of monarchy, and exist today, still, in continuity with the precepts of their royal birth. We deserve much better than being forever locked into this hegamonic fantasy of kings and queens.

Agree, in Spain I bet you there is a majority who would wish getting rid of the kings, saving in the way all their expensive budget, and become a republic, but I fear that is not in the electable menu….
Anyway, to change Spain from Kingdom to Republic, it would be needed the votes of all the Spanish people, not only the Catalans.

The main problem with Catalan independence is the “big whoop” in the vote. 40% don’t constitute a representational majority worth considering. One needs at least an 80-90% + approval consensus to be legit, as in Crimea and Donbas.

The Spanish regime is also deliberately fueling conflict here with their “franco” channeling faggotry.

The solution he proposes: a drive toward the abolition of the current political system in all of Spain, and the inauguration of a Federal Republic, should make the most sense as far as resolving the grievances that the Catalans have with Madrid, and the disastrous economic disparity present everywhere, especially if it all came complete with an exit, a liberation, from the EU or at least from the eurozone. But all this is in the realm of fantasy, given that there is very little real dialogue from either side and I have a bad feeling that things won’t settle down and may get pretty ugly in the not so distant future. So the future looks bad. The worst outcome would be the fragmentation into two (eventually more) separate states, all remaining as smaller and increasingly docile little satrapies under that supremely malformed and unfair financial mutant called “Europe”. The only thing that can come from that is an increase in misery for all involved except for the financial elites, gents of means, and burocratic apparatchicks.

Good article.
Such a Federal system might be a solution. But, first parties have to talk to each other. So far, the Spanish government has done about anything wrong with respect to de-escalation. A lost chance.

What I’m afraid of, is that the falling apart of Yugoslavia started in a similar way. At a certain moment ancient demons start to land in minds, and the Spanish civil war is not that long ago.

The situation is extremely unpredictable, to the point that nobody seems to have any idea what the next move will be by either side. Things unfold as if by improvisation. Nobody knows what it means to apply Article 155 because it has never been done. It is all about Rajoy “foreseeing” this and that and then, if so, Puigdemont might do this or that. And what was supposedly valid a few days ago is no longer valid. So now even if Puigdemont calls elections, Rajoy “foresees” that he (Rajoy) will remove Puigdemont, whereas a few days ago, calling elections by Puigdemont was supposed to be a condition for cancelling the application of Article 155, but because he did not accept the offer right away it is no longer there. And the vicepresident Soraya Saenz de Santamaría is adding to the vagueness and fog by saying that the “government script may change according to the circumstances”, however, they want to “consider all the possible scenarios” and they are “working with various possibilities”, and Puigdemont may go to Madrid on Thursday to be present at the Senate meeting, or he may not go. And if he goes he may spend the night in Madrid to be there the following morning to witness the final approval of Art 155, address international opinion, or he may not sleep in Madrid… and on and on they go into wider and thicker fog that starts to look almost like a joke. Complete unpredictability.http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171025/432327424927/gobierno-aplicara-155-aunque-uigdemont-convoque-elecciones.html

I enjoyed reading this article, considering that the author can provide an independent perspective, given his direct knowledge of the Spanish peninsula and Zeitgeist, his Italian origins and his residential knowledge of the Basque region.
As obvious as it sounds it must nevertheless be said before adding this modest comment: all opinions on these matters reflect a complicated mix of notions, perceptions, readings and life experiences.
Independence is a noble concept. But in the context of the issue I must ask what advantage (cultural, economic, governmental, philosophical, experiential, etc.) will the Catalan citizen achieve from a forthcoming independence.
I have not found anything concrete written about it. However, given the 7.5 million inhabitants of Catalonia, I doubt that independence would bring the average citizen closer to the machine of government, as we know it at large. By the nature of things, democracy inevitably converts into one or more oligarchies from which the average citizen-voter is excluded.
Who writes here has had direct experience with an “independentist” movement in Italy, to which he was invited to contribute (purely as a volunteer with zero political ambition). I quickly found out that I was dealing with a bunch of low-level thieves of public money, publicly shamed and currently on trial – though I doubt they will be jailed, as other citizens would be in similar circumstances.
Hence, my skepticism about generic and generalized “independence” movements is based on personal experience, however non-reproducible – though the favoring conditions exist in every independence movement.
As another commentator said, we should balance any economic benefit against the reproduction of an immense additional government machinery – e.g. 150 new embassies, consulates, members of the totally parasitic EU parliament. All institutions that, by a gross estimate, would absorb any economic benefit by retaining more of the local taxes.
As far as enhancing local culture, language, traditions, religion, special laws and customs, I am all for it.
One elephant (sorry for the elephant, a creature I am very fond of), is, as the author says, the Zionist influence on the whole issue. I confess to be a latecomer in understanding the Zionist role. Should there be any latecomers like me I would highly recommend reading “The International Jew” by Henry Ford (yes the automobile man) even readable online (https://www.google.com/search?q=the+international+jew+pdf&oq=the+international+jew+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i67k1l2j0l8.10689.10689.0.13639.1.1.0.0.0.0.66.66.1.1.0….0…1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.65….0.N5T2_taC2zw)
US libraries do not carry it (isn’t it strange! When searching for it, as to add insult to injury, they refer to Kissinger’s biography). The book was written in 1921. It covers the monopolizing of American cultural, political and other resources by Zion. And it is ominously accurate in the implications for the next 100 years.
For the record, there is no racial ostracism towards any individual of any faith. From what I could gather, I’d say that the average Jew may not benefit from the monopolization of resources in any country by the Jewish elite. But he may behave like the person who still hopes the town team will win, though he couldn’t care less about the sport.

Many, many, many opinions…from the distance or based in the official media reports, pro, contra… some very insane…
You’ll be very well wellcome to come here (Barcelona) and learn something about the real situation.

Well, first of all, of course read some history books:

To not be too long (whenever you like I can go gor it) in ¨modern¨ times: with the french war to put on the Trone Felipe V (Borbón) they invade Catalunya, for the FIRST time in HISTORY Catalan law,rules, language, univerasity, etc,etc.. are forbided. Half of the country is anexate by France…that was 1714

The Second Republic: which was not SPAIN but the Republica de los Pueblos de España (Republic of the diferent nationalities) Coup de forçe: Franco, Nazis and Fascists. Later USA.
1939-1975: Of course catalan, basque….. they said: si eres español habla español, ….
Franco die 75 but his face by the grace of god still in the money coins until 1992……. their friends and ministers funded Alianza Popular, now Partido Popular. the same fascists in power (Aznar with Bush and Blair and Durao Barroso, remember…????)
They designed ¨his¨constitution.
That ¨we can not change¨, but in a dinner at a restaurant, in the night they (PP /PSOE) changed article 132 in order to convert the private debt for the rescue of the banks into our public debt: without referendum, without votation… ah… we can not change constitution.

Ok, 2005, Tripartito in Catalonia: left: PSC with ERC with the comunist and ecologist.
Aproved by the totality of the Catalan parlament, except of course the PP, a remake of the Estatuto de Autonomia, 46 points. (Some for instance to equal it to the one of Andalucia, or the econom ic agree with the Basque, etc, etc…)
Then take it to Las Cortes (the Spanish Parlament) APROVED THERE…!!!
Then take it back here for referendum and…APROVED TOO….!!!!!

The tribunal ruled by the PP (Independence of the justice…??? in Spain..??? hahahahahahaha.!!

Ok, 18 times in 12 years trying to negociate this, everytime more and more, better say, less and less return of money or invest in public infrastructures, an attack to the Catalan school (sorry I have kids, they all speak at least Catalan, Castellano and English…) as in the Ikastolas in Euskal Erria they learn Euzkera and Castellano…. or in Galicia, they learn Galego and Spanish….. but in the so called Spain…. the only learn Castellano (so called Spanish)…
Our parlament, for instance aproved a law to protect poor people through the crisis that can not afford to pay the electricity, the gas…. ohh!!! Tribunal constitucional declare it… unconstitutional, etc, etc….

There’s no black and white:

There’s nationalist: Spanish nationalist and Catalan Nationalist. seems that only the catalans (some) are, but we must talk of the super Nationalism of the (some) Spanish.
The rule of PSOE in Spain and the difference with it’s Catalan brand the PSC
Ciutadans (C’s) The new Falange more far right than the PP .
(If you see the demonstration past sunday in Barcelona: pro Spain, Preconstitutional Flags, Nazi groups of skinheads singin Cara al Sol: the fascist hymn…..)

The CUP, ultra left party anticapitalist pro independence. 8-10% of the parlament

PDcat, the party of Puigdemont: they are there only for political survivance… they come from the corrupt CIU , the one of Jordi Pujol and Duran Lleida….

But one of the more interesting, who are supporting the right to decide but don’t want an unilateral declaration of independence, but a real referendum with all garanties: En Comu Podem.
They are the party of the streets… of the ocupy the streets, of the 15M. And the major of Barcelona: Ada Colau is from that party.
If you want to know,to hear, to understand please follow what she’s doing, telling, etc… during all this convulse period of time…!!!

and the ERC the Republican left party.

So we can say 80% of Catalans are for a referendum and for another relation with Spain, or better say: to CHANGE Spain……

We are all for the REPUBLIC of the Peoples of Spain.
It’s not as single as a question of Independence yes or not or independentism….

Still fighting the civil war, still our relatives buried by thousands in anonimous mass graves in the border of this country of the roads…….
Still dreaming in change the world………

Albert Pont, leader of a Catalan business organization (Cercle Català de Negocis) grouping 1000 businessmen and executives, says that the Catalan government has a pre-agreement with a “Mediterranean country” to finance their independence.

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