CMReeder

CHayes

You mean to say Josh that you don't think the Constitution guarantees any citizen the right to carry any weapon? Why that must mean then that the diologue going on in our country is about where to draw the line to best preserve public safety, and also preserve people access to sporting weapons. And if that's the case we must not be having a discussion about seizing all firearms from all citizens, like the hysterical right seems to be implying.

CMReeder

Enigma, so you think is okay to berate me for not having a gun in my possession at all times like you. I rely on other measures to secure my home. Police are called reponders for a reason. You and I are responsible for preventing crime. I have looked into the barrel of a gun several times and I am still here.

Fuzzpipe

I dont get it. It wasnt the gun that killed it was the person using it.If anyone wants a gun they can easily buy one off the street while the rest of us are defensless. What about the guy over seas that killed the kids with a butter knife, should we ban them too? Just my two cents.

Josh84

CHayes Jan-03-13 8:55 PM*****"It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they chose a school because they were bullied there, by people who would otherwise grow up to be regional sales managers, and Republican party chairs."

Josh84

Roger murdock, understand that rifles and handguns are only tools and that their accuracy depends on the experience of the individual operating them. A socket set in the hands of a mechanic can fix a car, or do little in the hands of an unqualified person. I prefer Enigma's opinion, based on the given information, yes a .223 can prove accurate to 1000 yds. with the proper optics and to a trained individual, however thats not who were talking about. Handguns are a solid match for this rifle in under these conditions.

Otherwise you had better get on the phone with every police unit in the country and tell them they have been going about it all wrong for years.

CHayes

Hey Relene, before the election you said your deity would select the winner of the election (pretty arrogant if you ask me), and you would abide by that decision. When is that abiding going to start? Have you switched teams on your deity?

RogerMurdock

Enigma, in addition handguns can be accurate out to at least 200 yds. I used to shoot metallic silhouette with a 9mm handgun. Although the weapon of choice was the T/C Contender, many shooters used S/W revolvers. No one had any problem hitting the pigs at 100 yds and most could hit the rams at 200 yds about half the time. Again, this is with iron sights. Just thought you'd be interested. Might save you some embarrassment down the road should you choose to comment on a subject you don't know anything about.

RogerMurdock

Enigma, you don't know enough about firearms to be commenting on them. Although the max effective range of the service pistol is considered to be 50 yds (150 ft, close enough to several hundred feet for me) the AR15/M16 rifle is easily accurate to 500 yds. When I was in the Marines we had to qualify with the M16 at 500 yds shooting at a head and shoulders profile target that measured 19" high by 26" wide. That's with iron sights, no scopes. Most of us could hit it every time. Now days the M16/AR15 type rifles are used on the National Match Course which requires hitting a 20" bullseye at 600 yds, again with iron sights. Think about it, at over 1/3 of a mile away you're not safe. I think it's time for you to "man up" and give CHayes the apology he deserves. He was more correct than you are.

Tedeaux

Putting the gun ban issue aside for a second, what could possibly drive a 20 year old to go out and kill 20 presious kids and 6the school employees? I am of the opinion that Adam Lanza had realized that he wanted to die and had conjured up a plot in his own mind what is every sane persons worst nightmare and that would be to massacre small adorable children. If the process he would become a historically infamous figure. Maybe eventually as a society, we will come realize that by continuing to harp on these murderers names we are fulfilling their final wishes.

rmiller

"It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they chose a school because they were bullied there, by people who would otherwise grow up to be regional sales managers, and Republican party chairs"

Speaking about an idiotic statement? What does party affiliation have to do with evil? That runs across all spectres of life Hayes...now that was an idiotic statement.

CHayes

"Deranged nut-jobs shoot up schools not because they hate schools, but because they know there is not one there to stop them."

So there are armed guards at shopping malls? McDonalds?

That's an idiotic statement. It presumes that multiple psychopaths have only one motivation. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that they chose a school because they were bullied there, by people who would otherwise grow up to be regional sales managers, and Republican party chairs.

LaughIn

Why do people chose the school arena to kill innocent victim's? That is the real question we are all trying to answer. That wise man had a good understanding Phil of why some questions go unanswered. It is not as if we can ask the assassin involved in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings, because he is dead.

enigma

CHayes, You do not have to demonstrate your ignorance, we are already familiar with it. An AR-15 is not accurate to 500 yards and a handgun is not accurate to a couple hundred feet. Not that it matters because inside a school you won't be working with those kinds of distances anyway. In some ways a handgun would give a tactical advantage over a rifle of any kind in that situation. In any case, a trained security guard would have an advantage over a deranged nut-job. But you miss the point. Deranged nut-jobs shoot up schools not because they hate schools, but because they know there is not one there to stop them. Armed guards and administrators would change that and force them to either find a different target or better yet, just kill themselves without taking others with them.

CHayes

"Although you always assume a "nutjob" would have the better advantage than that of a trained and ready security force, be it one or more."

Yes a person with an AR-15 style weapon that is accurate up to 500 yards, and was trained by his mother to use it, has the advantage over a single security guard with a handgun that's accurate to a couple hundred feet. In every case. And remember, schools have multiple entrances/exits. The guard can only be at one. In the circumstance the nut case would have not just had an advantage, but an OVERWHELMING advantage.