Psycho-Babble Alternative Thread 1094383

In reply to Re: NAD+ Does anyone take this to prevent aging? » SLS, posted by beckett2 on August 7, 2017, at 22:29:06

> What is this?

I think NAD+ protects cell chromosome telomeres from shrinking, and may even repair and lengthen them. Telomeres act as protective caps at the end of chromosomes. As one ages, telomeres, which participate in cell division, shrink and lose their protective properties. In addition, many pathways use NAD+ in energy production. Some people take NMN, which is a precursor to NAD+. I don't know why. I'd like to find out. Perhaps NMN is more efficient at passing across the blood-brain barrier or can be administered orally.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 19, 2017, at 3:06:52

G'day FB, nice to see you too.

I am taking the Revgenetics NMN. The link is in Hugh's post. From what I heard the relationship between nicotinic acid, nicotinamide, NR and NMN is not linear and simple, not to speak of NAD+ and NADH (which I took once long ago). I'm not sure what sense taking that made.

It (NMN) works right away, which is to say I could feel it, a calm feeling of having just some energy, which for me amounted to feeling less depressed. I hope it can do more over time. I have been knocked about by various medical procedures.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 20, 2017, at 0:32:50

Maybe it helps the withdrawal. I don't think anything exists quite like opiates, so I imagine they're difficult to replace. I would have liked NAD+ infusions while going through xanax detox, or maybe afterwards. That process really shattered me. When under stress, I sometimes imagine the relief it brought me. Once exposed to it, my body, I don't think, will completely forget, the way, I wonder a mind exposed to racial slurs never forgets their charge.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 24, 2017, at 14:48:56

The tinyurl link would not open, so I don't know what is there.

NMN is nicotinamide mononucleatide. Another further down the line precurser is nicotinamide riboside (in Elysium, no?) I don't know how NMN compares with NR. I like NMN myself.

It is said that people over 60 are often quite low in NAD+, so they might benefit most. But most of those people in the links for the San Diego clinic were young, and the relief they were given was extraordinary. But that was the NAD+ drip, which is is surely a stronger effect.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? » beckett2, posted by sigismund on August 24, 2017, at 22:23:29

"Only the super-rich will reap the true rewards of the new technologies, commandeering evolution with intelligent design, editing their genomes and eventually merging with machines. Mr Harari envisages an elite caste of Homo sapiens evolving into something unrecognisable: Homo deus. In this brave new world, the rest of mankind will be left feeling like a Neanderthal hunter in Wall Street.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 26, 2017, at 20:01:32

>Homo deus

Oh yes. The utopians .......... what can you say? may be overtaken by events? and 4 and a half stars from so many people? Just as well we have the luxury of having so few problems and such an informed and cohesive public. Liberal democracy? That was Roosevelt and Eisenhower? It's very sad.

On the schizophrenia front......I see one of the videos in the San Diego clinic was about the use of NAD+ for depersonalisation (or something similar). That makes sense.

My experience of NMN is that it is not a stimulant....it feels just as calming as stimulating. I just feel better. No doubt you can take too much and make things worse. Some of the drugs for these conditions may lower NAD+ levels, in which case NMN may make sense.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2017, at 21:14:39

I'm not really interested in NAD+ and NMN as modulators of mood and anxiety. I'm mostly interested in the ability of NAD+ to arrest the shortening of telomeres and reverse the process to lengthen them again. There are some researchers who suggest that doing this will extend the viability of cells upon division and prevent aging. Lithium can do this, too.

My question is whether or not the megadosing of B3 niacin would increase NAD+.

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2017, at 21:14:39

> >Homo deus> > Oh yes. The utopians .......... what can you say? may be overtaken by events? and 4 and a half stars from so many people? Just as well we have the luxury of having so few problems and such an informed and cohesive public. Liberal democracy? That was Roosevelt and Eisenhower? It's very sad.>