What do people think about Bush starting to get serious on global warming/climate change. Nothing concrete but at least an acknowledgement of the issues. Does anyone think that, after the next Presidential election, that there will be some form of climate change legislation (a carbon tax even?) no matter who wins the election?

Vincent

13-07-2007, 14:49:04

Ummm .... maybe?

Vincent

13-07-2007, 14:49:47

I think more concrete will worsen things. They rather should use bricks. Houses and stuff

Drekkus

13-07-2007, 14:56:59

Do people still use carbon paper?

Vincent

13-07-2007, 14:58:51

No they use ink jets now. I remember those jets are bad for the ozone thingy.

Drekkus

13-07-2007, 15:00:53

carbon paper was cool, instant copy!!!

Damn carbon tax probably made it too expensive

Vincent

13-07-2007, 15:03:37

Your hands git all dirty from carbon paper, I bet it gives you cancer

mr_B

13-07-2007, 15:20:26

on the other carbon papered dirty hand, george bush is funny

Vincent

13-07-2007, 15:30:49

He also smells funny

Caligastia

13-07-2007, 19:01:24

When did you get to smell him?

Lefty Scaevola

13-07-2007, 21:21:09

Originally posted by Evan von Christoph
Nothing concrete But the USA, a non ratifier of Kyoto, has a better record during his administration on reducing the growth of CO2 emissions that some some Kyoto members, such as Canada.

Vincent

13-07-2007, 21:38:39

What the hell does that mean?

Dyl Ulenspiegel

13-07-2007, 21:47:51

source! link!

Vincent

13-07-2007, 21:53:06

If a growth of +200% is reduced and it's now only +180 % it's a better better reduction than +2% to +1.9%

Vincent

13-07-2007, 21:53:30

I like numbers. You can do magic with numbers!

Resource Consumer

14-07-2007, 08:49:53

I can make breakfast with sausages

Lefty Scaevola

15-07-2007, 00:03:40

Originally posted by Vincent
What the hell does that mean? It fucking means that Canada, and couple other Kyoto members, increase the CO2 output more than the USA a non treaty member. The was shoved in a Cadadian ministers face, and a news conference where she was rqgged on the USA/Bush for not ratifying Kyoto, and several reporters then pointed out that had increase its CO2 output significantly more than the USA.
The conclusion being than USA out of Kyoto program for dealing with emissions, was superior to to some countrys in Kyoto methods, or that deeds are better (or at least less worthless) than lipservice.

IIRC, the numbers used (this around two years ago) were the % by which a country was over or under their goal in the treaty (including the USA proposed goal in the treaty).

Dyl Ulenspiegel

15-07-2007, 08:12:51

The "the % by which a country was over or under their goal " is different from "increase the CO2 output more". So again, source, link?

Oerdin

15-07-2007, 14:16:06

I remember hearing this over at poly. Several of the righties loved this though the rate of increase doesn't matter much compared to the total amount emitted. I mean I'm sure Luxembourg's rate of increase is pretty darn high but their starting base is so low it doesn't matter. Canada's economy is so small compared to the US that of course their rate of increase is much higher then the US. That's just mathematics.

The problem is when people try to use vague statistics like that one to justify Bush's stance on doing nothing. Even his current claim of wanting to relook global warming policy is hog wash and Blair should have known it (likely did know it). It's just a delay tactic so he can spend the next year and a half claiming his scientists are reviewing the data still instead of actually acting. It's pathetic.

Vincent

15-07-2007, 18:56:58

Does that mean a one year old kid gets olderer than me because it gets 100% older in a year whereas I only get 2.3 % older?
Cool!

Dyl Ulenspiegel

15-07-2007, 19:02:51

That's one option. Although I understand it as follows: If you plan to have 10 beers, and another guy plans to have 5 beers, and you both have 7 beers each, you have drunk less than the other guy.

Koshko

15-07-2007, 19:17:35

Well it's been long established that Bush's plans for rest of his presidency is to do absolutely nothing and let the next people deal with it.

Vincent

15-07-2007, 20:31:31

how did he find out about my work policy!

Lefty Scaevola

15-07-2007, 21:27:33

Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
The "the % by which a country was over or under their goal " is different from "increase the CO2 output more". So again, source, link? Google it yourself you lazy shit. I charge $300 an hour for research. I am not doing a freebee on years old news for you, for useless forum yap I will just depend on my good memory. I believe this was the figures near the end of the Chretien premership. The only Canadian government response when pressed on their relative failure was that it was because their good economic growth.

Dyl Ulenspiegel

15-07-2007, 22:42:25

Doesn't surprise me that you have just made it up.

And anyone paying you 300 $ per hour for "research" needs his head examined.

MattHiggs

16-07-2007, 14:59:04

Listen fuckheads I get paid £3.24 an hour and I'm not posting any more than one sentance for this shitty forum lest I waste 6p worth of my fuckin' time; DICKS!

Drekkus

16-07-2007, 15:12:53

:drekkus:

Oerdin

16-07-2007, 23:11:19

There went Drekkus's 6p. ;)

MOBIUS

16-07-2007, 23:42:28

Originally posted by Evan von Christoph
What do people think about Bush starting to get serious on global warming/climate change. Nothing concrete but at least an acknowledgement of the issues. Does anyone think that, after the next Presidential election, that there will be some form of climate change legislation (a carbon tax even?) no matter who wins the election?

It shows that even total thickies can change their mind in the face of almost incontrovertible proof.

Now we just need to tell the posters on Poly that...

MOBIUS

16-07-2007, 23:43:48

Originally posted by Dyl Ulenspiegel
Doesn't surprise me that you have just made it up.

And anyone paying you 300 $ per hour for "research" needs his head examined.

:lol:

Lefty borders on the illiterate - he obviously must be 'researching' porn...