It's funny how draft stock is so arbitrary, one season ago Jarvis Jones, Matt Barkley, and Robert Woods might of been 1/2/3 in the draft and now if Seattle stayed in the first round at 25, they would have a decent chance of drafting any of them. All might fall into the 2nd round still, probably why the bust/boom phenomena exists. Kind of like college, sometimes guys are labeled 1 star recruits and thrive to top flight draft pick and others that are 5 star guys wash out completely.

Not sure about being the most, but I agree he deserves more attention than he's getting. I guess that's what happens in a deep WR class.

OT thought, but there's going to be some great players out of this group. It's almost too bad we don't have much need for WR anymore and won't draft one in round 1-2 (most likely). There were a few I really liked.

"People who don't punch their ponies in the face make me sick." - Louis C.K.

I would love it if Woods ended up with the Hawks. I still want a WR to be drafted, maybe even 2.

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He seems like one of those guys people know is great, but he just doesn't draw much discussion. I've still seen him mocked a lot as an early-2nd round pick, some have him later 2nd, some have him late-1st, so people do like him. It's just a deep WR draft. Any other year he's getting more hype.

"People who don't punch their ponies in the face make me sick." - Louis C.K.

Who would be the most over-rated or over-hyped guy you think. I keep coming back to Tyrann Mathieu, every day someone says we need to draft this guy but the character concerns aside, is he really that much of a NFL prospect to begin with?

Honestly, I haven't even broke him down yet. Once I heard the story about his wanting to leave USC because of a decrease in targets, that made me wary about how he'd fit in an offense where he might get 3-5 targets a game. Course, maybe he just wanted out because the lack of targets was hurting his draft stock? Either way, I want unselfish receivers and tight ends, and I'm pretty sure that's a high priority for Pete as well.

FWIW, I wouldn't rule out Woods being a Seahawk. He ran a 4.51 and has moves after the catch. Obviously, Pete Carroll would be familiar with him.

Before Marquise Lee came along I remember Woods being talked about as a future top 5 pick.

I don't mind him complaining about touches because I don't think it was really a normal situation down there at USC. This is just conjecture on my part but it seemed to me like after they lost a game or two and the championship was out of the question that Kiffin was basically playing to win Lee the Heisman. Seems like the play calling and Barkley's decisions were at times to pad stats for Lee to the detriment of the rest of the offense.

kearly wrote:Honestly, I haven't even broke him down yet. Once I heard the story about his wanting to leave USC because of a decrease in targets, that made me wary about how he'd fit in an offense where he might get 3-5 targets a game. Course, maybe he just wanted out because the lack of targets was hurting his draft stock? Either way, I want unselfish receivers and tight ends, and I'm pretty sure that's a high priority for Pete as well.

FWIW, I wouldn't rule out Woods being a Seahawk. He ran a 4.51 and has moves after the catch. Obviously, Pete Carroll would be familiar with him.

My most underrated player threw the passes Robert Woods caught.

You might be a bit too harsh on Woods, kip. If it was a situation like J said it might be, with the USC offense force feeding The ball to Lee at detriment to the team, I thi k he was right to point out his lack of targets as a reason for leaving early. Parts of me think J is right on this.

"People who don't punch their ponies in the face make me sick." - Louis C.K.

I don't think he fits the #1 WR role similar to DeAndre Hopkins and Marcus Wheaton. Guys like Patterson, Allen, Hunter, and Austin will be drafted ahead of him because of their upside. He is not talked about at all though and if we did draft him I could see him as a decent upgrade over Golden Tate. He is much more polished route runner and has better size. He has made big catches in big games and looks to be pro ready just limited to being a very good #2 WR in the league if he perfects his craft.

Wenhawk wrote:I don't think he fits the #1 WR role similar to DeAndre Hopkins and Marcus Wheaton. Guys like Patterson, Allen, Hunter, and Austin will be drafted ahead of him because of their upside. He is not talked about at all though and if we did draft him I could see him as a decent upgrade over Golden Tate. He is much more polished route runner and has better size. He has made big catches in big games and looks to be pro ready just limited to being a very good #2 WR in the league if he perfects his craft.

One of my best friends is a die hard USC Fan (he's as much of a die hard USC fan ... as we are die hard Seahawk fans). Anyway, I had this conversation several months back regarding his assessment of Robert Woods and honestly, he was fairly underwhelmed by him. Well, that may not be completely fair. Let me just say that he didn't exactly gush over him -- that he considered Robert Woods an OK receiver. These were about the exact same terms he described them to me -- good size, decent speed, pretty polished, and can make the difficult (or clutch) catch at times. He wasn't willing to anoint him a #1 WR either -- more of a #2 (which isn't necessarily bad). Teams need the Alvin Harpers of the world just as well.

Pete recruited Woods. Robert is a fierce competitor and hard worker. He is good friends with Marqise Lee and they liked to compete with one another all the time. They were rivals and yet they weren't.

Yes, I think Robert was frustrated at times last season. So were USC fans. There were definitely times when Kiff and/or Matt forced the ball to Marqise in spite of Robert being open. Robert's comment wasn't a complaint as much as a statement of fact that he had done as much as he could at USC--basically saying he knew and understood that Lane wasn't going to force HIM the ball just to keep him from leaving. He also said good stuff about Kiffin that that reporter totally omitted.

I was being harsh? I have nothing against Woods. I was just wondering if Pete might for reasons stated.

Talent and fit outweigh the off-the-field stuff. Pete has brought in the likes of Lendale White and Mike Williams, traded for Marshawn Lynch, drafted Bruce Irvin (who had big off-the-field question marks that impacted his draft stock), brought in Terrell Owens, Antonio Bryant and Braylon Edwards (all with question marks), and just traded for and gave $67 million to Percy Harvin who has been described as a malcontent.

How much is he an upgrade over Golden Tate? Golden was raw coming out of college but after being in the league for a couple of years; if we were to compare Robert Woods with Golden Tate now then how big is the difference between these two?

SeahawksFanForever wrote:How much is he an upgrade over Golden Tate? Golden was raw coming out of college but after being in the league for a couple of years; if we were to compare Robert Woods with Golden Tate now then how big is the difference between these two?

Totally different styles, so you can't really compare. I'd say, however, that Robert is much more likely to step in and produce as a rookie. He runs routes really well, has good hands and decent speed and he's known for being a very hard worker. He may not have the ceiling Golden does, though time will tell there. But USC has used him all over the field as a WR. Golden has more of that RB/WR hybrid feeling because he converted to WR in college.

I was being harsh? I have nothing against Woods. I was just wondering if Pete might for reasons stated.

It just seems you don't like him much based on a couple of things he said that may have been taken out if context or overblown. Not worth avoiding his tape over.

Well, when you are trying to cover 100-200 viable players, you look for ways to save time. Besides, name one time I said anything negative about Woods as a prospect. I think he's great, but I also think Titus Young is great, and I always knew that Seattle would never call him when he hit the market. I do not think Woods is the kind of headache that Young is, but I do think Pete is sensitive on the "unselfish" aspect to a WR, and he might make a big deal out of a small detail like that. Pete knows Woods better than anyone else in the NFL. Obviously, if we draft him, it's not an issue. I'm just wondering if it might be.

So far I've spent most of my time reviewing defense. Up until free agency, I probably broke down 30 pass rushers alone. Which has proven to be a waste of time, unfortunately. I've looked into about 15 WRs so far. Woods was on the list, he was just on the back burner because I had a hunch Pete might stay away.

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FlyingGreg wrote:Talent and fit outweigh the off-the-field stuff. Pete has brought in the likes of Lendale White and Mike Williams, traded for Marshawn Lynch, drafted Bruce Irvin (who had big off-the-field question marks that impacted his draft stock), brought in Terrell Owens, Antonio Bryant and Braylon Edwards (all with question marks), and just traded for and gave $67 million to Percy Harvin who has been described as a malcontent.

Woods doesn't have character concerns. But there are good reasons to think he might be unhappy if he's seeing just a couple targets a game. I don't buy that his leaving early had nothing to do with Lee. I think it's pretty clear it did. Maybe he doesn't care and just wanted to protect his draft stock? If that's the case then I don't see any problem- he was just making a good business decision. I guess we'll see. Can't say I blame him. But if the departure was over frustration from a reduced role, then I think Pete will see that as a mark against him. Personally, I don't care this kind of stuff, I just suspect that Pete does, since his current offense just finished a season that had them 32nd in pass attempts and spreads the football to a gajillion targets. Selfish types would hate it here. So I think there could potentially be some wariness from Carroll based on how Woods reacted to last season. I'm not saying I agree with him, but I think that's a possibility for how he views Woods.

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Kip, based on everything I've ever heard or read about this kid, I'd be shocked if he had a selfish attitude. Does that mean he was thrilled to see his role reduced? Nope. And no one that talented should be. But I've heard nothing to indicate he's the type of potential 'problem child, diva' WR you're thinking he might be. He was one of the hardest-working guys on the team. He and Marqise both commented on how they had a fun competition to try to one-up each other because they're competitive and it made each of them better players.

Pretty much everyone in the USC forums I frequent commented last season about how Marqise was getting force fed the ball. Some blamed Matt. Some Kiff. And it was pretty hard to argue with the results overall. But we couldn't help wondering if it was hurting the team at times, especially when we'd see plays where Robert was wide open and totally ignored.

Did Marqise affect Robert's decision?Probably--for a number of reasons. But I don't think he's going to make a stink about the number of targets he's getting. After all, this is a kid who repeatedly told everyone that George Farmer (who also went to Serra HS along with Robert and Marqise) was even better than he. Unfortunately for George he's struggled with injuries so far in his USC career.

To pile on what sc85sis said, Woods reminds me of Harvin, somewhat. I think Percy got a diva label because he was in a bad situation, with a poor QB, and he knew the Vikings wont ever have a real shot; i.e. he just wants to win. Woods sounds like a kid that winning is the most important thing.

CHawks4L wrote:Chances of him dropping to us are greater in light of injury news:

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 2hNFL scout tell me USC Robert Woods may need to sit out a year due to an ankle injury. "Could play now, but better to wait until 100%."

I don't buy that for a second. That is on par with the Dan Marino is a coke head, please please let him fall to us rumor.

Since when do ankles take a year to heal?

Since it's been bothering him for two years. He hurt it in a pickup basketball game two years ago and had surgery a year ago. I'd heard rumors he still wasn't healed, but no one knew for sure because of USC's policy of not commenting on injuries.

Ankle injuries are a pain in the ass. I've broken the same ankle twice and they never heal properly. Hurt my other ankle with an impact injury and thought it was just a little sprained. I couldn't walk properly for months and didn't play sport again for a year. No broken bones, no ligament damage... but it messed up my knee joint and I couldn't walk on my ankle.

The thing is, in all of those instances I couldn't play wide receiver for USC and I couldn't run an unofficial 4.4 at the combine. So if Woods' ankle is bad enough that he has to essentially redshirt for a season, I'm not buying that. It's either injured or it's not. When I watched the Trojans last year I didn't see a guy playing on an ankle that needed a year off. Whatever he's done will probably never be 100% but he can also manage the situation and never have any issues.

He played nearly all of 2011 with a bum ankle before having surgery last year. A lot of the time he was held out of part or all of the practices so he could play on Saturday, which makes it even more amazing that he had such a fantastic season that year.