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Pass Rusher Irked

“Look Tom, Will Gholston doesn’t play with firecrackers or race his rig down I-95 in the rain.”

A talented defensive end is peeved about his contract. And Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht might be able to do something about it.

Yesterday, Jags defensive end Yannick Ngakoue announced he is skipping mandatory minicamp because he is angry that Jags’ big-shot Tom Coughlin won’t redo his contract.

This couldn’t be more timely for the Bucs.

If a Bucs fan believes defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul will be ready to rock and roll by Halloween and be healthy enough to tear up opposing quarterbacks, Joe has a bridge over Tampa Bay for you to invest in.

Right now the Bucs need a pass rush in the worst way with JPP hurt and who knows if he can play this year, or ever again after he fractured his neck in a one-car mishap flying down I-95 in South Florida just days after the draft.

If Joe were Licht, Joe would call Coughlin and offer him a second-round pick, Will Gholston and what the hell, throw in Shaun Wilson and see if Coughlin nibbles.

It’s not like Ngakoue is making a fortune. Offer him the remaining balance of JPP’s 2019 salary ($7 million), which is three times as much as Ngakoue was supposed to earn this year.

Ngakoue is a beast. He has 21.5 sacks the past two years with 56 quarterback hits and 23 tackles for loss.

Joe remembers months before the 2016 draft, a member of the Bucs’ football operations raved to Joe about Ngakoue and how he was a sleeper. He went to the Jags in the third round. Sadly, the Bucs didn’t have the ammo to trade up in the third round because the Bucs had previously burned their powder to trade up to draft kicker Roberto Aguayo in the second round.

An evening that will live in infamy.

Bucco Bruce Arians said he is not here for a rebuild, but a reload. Trading a second-round pick and throwing a couple of players who barely have contributed the past couple of years is a good starting point.

Joe is certain, if motivated, the Bucs can make Ngakoue’s life much more comfortable playing on the west coast of Florida.

Why would they let licht weight trade away the New GM’s draft picks’s????? how does that trade help the rebuild that should have started way before next year?????? Theit gm and ole coach stale biscuit had every opportunity to turn over the roster!!!!!!! I would let them do all the dumpster diving off of other rosters, but no trading away valuable draft picks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy is probably worth a #2 pick but can we afford him? His market value on spotrac is 17.9 mil. If they could release or trade JPP offer him JPP contract plus incentives. But , Joe I don’t see this happening. JL and BA are looking for a 2 or 3 mil prove it player for 1 year. The dumpster will fill up more by August or September.

Maryland native Yanninck is an absolute animal. People remember coach stated it’s easy going from the three point stance to the two point stance. He would do either naturally. Jags are making a Huge mistake banking allen being a viable replacement. Allen soft,Yannick maniacal. This would an epic move.

Tom Coughlin is probably the hardest GM to work with. He is going to want the moon for this guy. Hes not going take crappy players in a trade or a guy with a fractured neck that may not ever play again. Its a nice thought, but like I said before its not going to happen.

So many things would have to happen to make it work plus the Jags hold all the cards. Stranger things have happened but this just sounds like agent strategy and posturing instead of I want out of here. What the heck better to be optimistic I guess.

Ngakoue is Top 100 player, certainly a steal for what the Jags gave up to get him, but I don’t think the timing is right for a fair trade. Maybe offer a third round and the Glazers may go for it, as I’m betting JL is not permitted to use future year high picks since he’s a big question mark. Which I think is one reason they didn’t trade up in the draft this year.

I will never forgive GM Licht for picking a worthless kicker in the second round that year. That pick will go down as one of the greatest draft blunders in Bucs history (and that is saying a ton because we traditionally have sucked at drafting)… What a goon.

Those of you trading a 1 or a 2 remember that pick will probably be high next year. No quick fixes, embrace the suck and build for 2020. Don’t give up any capital unless it is a player who will be here, and affordable, for years.

Uhh I totally disagree,those picks will be high next year because we’ll be playoff team. Again 2017 bears 5 and 11,2018 bears 12 and 4. Why you folks seem to think turnarounds are possible for other franchises but not this one is beyond me.

Ngakoue isn’t going anywhere. Jags had the #4 ranked defense last year, but their offense REALLY stunk it up (245 pts?). To make matters worse, they lost quite a few guys in FA, although they did add several who might help. Jags defense will remain their bread & butter IMO, and it’s hard to imagine that Coughlin would part with Ngakoue’s 9.5 sacks AND 33 QB hits.

A little more patience Joe. Three months until the first game. Lots of teaching & development still ahead. Why don’t we see what we’ve got BEFORE we jump off the bridge. For some reason you seem adamant that Bucs won’t have a pass rush. Some of us aren’t convinced of that at all.

And the jury is still out on trubisky and who the H3ll was that coach they hired to replace John Fox??? Didn’t matter they added Mack and Smith and just like that playoffs. Not to mention Jordan Howard’s production fell off a cliff.

NOSBOS I think the turnaround is at least a year away is because of the offensive line, running back and secondary situations. The new kids in the back will be good – will be – but there will be growing pains galore. I’m hopeful but realistic; still too many holes, coupled with a brutal schedule, for this to be a worst to first year IMHO.

He is well worth a 2nd round pick you show me a 2nd rounder next year while will golfer 8 12 or 9.5 sacks he’s healthy young an consistent for a 2nd all day at a position of need on top of that an we can try to lock him
Up for a long time go for it Bucs

I’m disappointed that Our 2nd round kicker didn’t work out but honestly it had the making of a great thing if he did most accurate kicker in collage history played in the state of FL already an we traded up onto the 2nd to draft him I mean if it worked we would have had our kicker for 15yrs like move tried an didnt work still piss an moaning about it I bet Gay works out reminds me of janakowski big boy

SC I’m less concerned about a young secondary because they are not about to be tasked read and think all game. They be playing mainly with they’re natural born ability. I don’t care how good Julio is 4.3 can run wit @$$ all day,come cross the middle 4.42 to also run wit him. As far as the Oline,the cards Oline couldn’t have been ranked all that high the year BA took over. Run blocking is a motivation and effort thing. I’ve said it many times Ali and Donavan were present when we lead the league in overall rushing with DM a few years back.

With josh Allen falling in their lap…and Licht Weight’s penchant for botching 2nd round picks…I’d say do it for a 2nd & a 5th if needed. It’s sad that the thinking is “Bucs will blow the pick anyways”…but that’s where things stand until Licht is a scout with the Rams or another team he’s topped off during his tenure.

NOSBOS I wish I was as optimistic, short term, about our secondary as you are. I think when it all shakes out on our roster are 5 very good players who, if they stay healthy, will be the best secondary in the division. I do believe that will take time and whatever weaknesses they have the likes of Drew Brees will find them this year.

NOSBOS … Bucs are very likely looking at some BIG deals next year as well. Not only possibly Jameis, but also we’ve got a LOT of guys on 1-year prove-it deals. If they do well, they’ll expect to be paid, and rightfully so. We’re just barely treading water right now on the salary Cap. Someone like Ngakoue might ‘settle’ for $7 mil (JPP’s leftover salary) this year (his FOURTH year), but not next year. He’ll want the whole enchilada. But so will a LOT of others if this year’s Bucs team does well.

I disagree. Look at Aguayo’s stats at FSU. His Freshman Year he was 20 of 21. His Sophomore year he missed 3 kicks. His Junior year he missed 5 kicks and only made 80% of his kicks. Notice a trend? I certainly do. Unfortunately GM Licht drank the cool aid and believed the BS about this kid being the most accurate kicker.

Yeah, we’re talking about the Bucs here. I don’t see this happening unless they can fleece us for more than a second rounder. Plus, why would they give up on a productive player over a measly $7-8 million? Unless they’re actually looking to unload him this is nothing but a pipe dream. Que the Everly Bros.

This guy is 6’2” 246 lbs. Sound familiar? Another Spense. We already have two speed rushing OLBs in Spense and Bucannon and they don’t demand huge dollars or they won’t play. We don’t need another Meplayer making demands!

I’m in Jacksonville, and watch all the jags games after consuming putrid bucs games. This guy is a beast, and plays with energy. Alot of sacks, but also a lot of strip sacks, he goes for the ball, and can play in the heat. Second round pick or trade Cam Brate, hate to do it, but Jags need a tight end too.

Just to note, my kids had a swim meet against the Jax golf and country club dolphins, where Tom Coughlins grand (great?:) kids were swimming. They were not good swimmers, and came in last every race. The little beta boy dad out there needs to get in there faces Coughlin style, cause they look a little spoiled IMO. Now i am sure they are nice kids, but Michael Phelps they are not.

Defense I understand that but I’m thinking one year right now bro. He’s still under his rookie deal. Get him in the building somehow and load all guns in an attempt to get to Miami. I love the team but I’m not like a lot of fans. I realize it’s a business so getting too emotionally attached to players isn’t wise in my mind. Some will stay some will go. As long as they in pewter and red I’m ridin for’em as best I can.

Ngakoue is a OLB in a 3-4, not a DE… Yeah, he’s a pass rusher we could use. What’s his contract situation? We can’t trade for this guy if he’s only got 1 year left… So, to make this worth a draft pick, we have to negotiate a long term contract, which will be MEGA millions, which the Bucs don’t have. Sure, dump Gholston and JPP from the roster, and you’ve created some space… but isn’t this guy gonna be in line for 15 million a year as a UFA next year? Why would he settle for less than that as part of a trade with the Bucs? These pipe dream articles ought to include some of the practical (salary cap) implications of personnel moves.

2014 and 2015 Doug Martin rushed for over 1400 yards with basically the same O-LINE. So why didn’t they draft a running back its not like they didn’t have enough picks. Dirk Koetter was the offensive coordinator under Lovie. Peyton and Rojo don’t cut it. BA thinks hes going to throw 50 times a game. Opposing defensives will just pin back their ears and come after JW with no regard for the running game.

“Why you folks seem to think turnarounds are possible for other franchises but not this one is beyond me.”….NOSBOS

Every year pre-season there are delusional homers like NOSBOS. Then another disaster year. How many in a row? When the Bucs show the world that something is new AND improved about this team then it’s time for optimism. I’m not sure, but I believe the Warriors may still win the NBA title by winning the next two games. Why- -because they have done it before. It’s been a long, long time since the Bucs have had significant success on the field that would justify all this BS about the playoffs. It’s nice that fans like NOSBOS can congratulate each other about their optimism, but that is just Pollyanna predictions. Rose colored glasses may make things look prettier, but they don’t make things look more accurate.

Why give a guy up because he is unhappy with his contract, he still has no leverage

A second round pick? Honestly think licht would be the only guy making that call?

Kinda dumb to under bid yourself with that low pick plus the guy has a cheap contract. Your plan Joe would be dead in the water. This ain’t an old Dee Ford who had like 2 good seasons hes a good young pass rusher who will cost more than a 2.

Oregonbucsfan … Not a thing wrong with being optimistic. Matter of fact, if all JBFers had the same attitude that the supposed fan Succaneers has then I wouldn’t even bother visiting JBF.com any more. Levels of optimism vary however, and some of us are more CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC than others. Plus expectations vary … myself, I’m more interested in seeing the Bucs play solid, aggressive, hard-nosed, smash-mouth football this year than anything else. Personally I’m perfectly willing to give them a full year to get what started out as a beat-down Yugo purring like a Maserati.

You “dream killers” are The scourge and s#%@ stains of the society. Your sole weak @$$ purpose is to attempt to convince positive thinkers to become weak minds like yourselves. You hate the man mirror and I’m glad. Those tactics don’t work with me,my will unbreakable. I wouldn’t give a s$&@ if all 20,000 daily posters told me the 2019 Bucs would be pie. My response to all 20,000 would be all y’all can kiss my @$$. We.Going.The.Playoffs.Next.Season PERIOD

Oh my God Joe is actually making sense. Since Josh Allen filter them in the draft unexpectedly I’m sure they want to use their money for other players. The Buccaneers would make a huge splash by bringing him in.

Nosbos goes to bed at night dreaming of Jameis Winston holding the Super Bowl trophy over his head. Then he wakes and realizes no playoffs in eleven years or so and no playoffs in the near future. So he can’t wait for tonight and let the dream continue.

NOSBOS is our Captain of the bandwagon. Don’t give him a hard time or we won’t let you one once the Bucs start winning.

I’m confident that this team is done with garbage ST.
We are done with BS presnap, drive killing pentalties.
We are done giving up the booty on third and long.
We will be prepared this year and are done putting guys on the field who don’t know their assignments.
We will make adjustments in the games.

And you idiots wanna whine about a 5-11 roster yet none of the above requires talent to fix………….All of this without mentioning that our last staff did not develope one OL player in their entire tenure. Not developed not one CB either…….as Joe told us about constantly.

One day you will get it through your thick heads that there are no such thing as a 5-11 roster. Only 5-11 teamwork……..This is why the 2017 Cardinals managed to win half their games while they were ruined with injuries & it’s why the Bucs get 1 or 2 injuries and use it as a excuse all the way til Christmas.

Lot of feeding off fear of others, unfortunately it’s a waste of time talking about weak minded fans because ignorance has reached new levels in this country.

I just honestly dont know why most of them are here. You expect losing but cant wait to watch it but that’s not a weak mentality? If not it’s just stupid. Optimism pessimism it doesn’t matter it’s not in your hands and you have no control so personally I chose positivity or insanity in all things. A lot of losers here calling the team losers and seems so many fans lives have a lot in common with the team, if what I said upset you then you are likely the ones I’m referring to

Most fans are affraid to be optimistic. They are afraid of getting hurt and being letdown.

I can understand that but at the same time I have personally learned how to manage disappointment. It was not always easy for me(really, still isn’t) but following this franchise and getting gut puched so many times has helped me learn how to handle disappointment. I guess some people never have learned.

That being said y’all need to realize that not all of us get hyped up every single off-season. Some laws f us need legitimate reasons to be optimistic. Y’all choose your reasons & I’ll choose mine. Bruce is the reason for my optimism and he has the track record that’s earned it.

My prediction is 10-6, maybe 11-5…….. And even if that doesn’t happen I will settle for a prepared professional football team that plays solid competitive ball. Something we have not saw in decades.

And for all of you throwing mud you may kindly STFU because y’all were nowhere to be found in the 2017 off-season coming off that 9-7 season………..You go back and look at these boards and comments were littered with SB predictions.

And to me those SB predictions go to show how foolishly some of y’all think. We had a chance to get into the playoffs against Dallas and if you guys think we looked like an actual contender(let alone SB team) then y’all got issues.

Personally I was done with Dirk after that game. If y’all couldn’t see this team didn’t stand much of a chance back then…….then who are you to tell us what kind of chance we have this year?

the kid has been a solid player for the bucs, but a guy at that age with that track record will want to flirt with setting the market with his next deal. you’d need to get all of JPP’s money back and then some to make the guy happy. The Jags would fall all over themselves to extend this guy at under $13 million per season, he’s probably looking for more than $17 mil….he’s more accomplished than Clowney who is holding out for at least that much

Hey Joe, Chris Jones now a holdout in KC 15.5 sacks last year. Jason Licht got another player he could work out a trade with. Call up Andy Reid and throw Gholston, Nacho, and a couple of draft picks at him and see what sticks.

True, KC is not going to be able to keep Chris Jones next year. Frank Clarks 20 mil cap hit in 2020 and Honey Badgers 11 mil cap hit 2020. And there are probably more cap hits plus draft picks. Looks like he will be a free agent next year.

AllBuccedup………Citing our lack of depth is the biggest BS narritive being peddled.

That’s because the back half of the roster will be entirely different then what we had last year. Heck, the roster isn’t even close to set and we already have brought in new players for each and every position group.

Quit with trading Brate garbage … he is not 100% healthy and no other team is dumb enough to pay him 7 mill a year!!! Only our GM who obviously doesn’t own a calculator or just realized there is a cap.

MO talkin bout class like any of actually know each other. I don’t come here for class or social acceptance. I dip in here to speak my mutha you-know—what mind and gone bout my business. Remember that whoever the H3ll you are.