Phil McSorley isn’t on anyone’s time schedule when it comes to making Cobalt music. One part of that is because he and bandmate Erik Wunder want to put out the best record possible, but perhaps the bigger part of that is because he’s on the time schedule of someone else: the United States Army. In fact, most of the people at his other, more heroic job don’t even know about his second life as a black metal vocalist.

“If anyone asks me what I do, I tell them I’m in the Army,” McSorley reveals via telephone. “I don’t promote Cobalt. I don’t go around talking about it to people. People know me in the Army for a good two years before they even know I’m in a band because I don’t fucking talk about it.”

Whether he wants people to know about Cobalt or not, it appears that they’re going to learn. With the year coming to a close, accolades for the band’s latest LP, Gin, have been crashing into McSorley like a tidal wave, despite the relative dearth of acclaim upon the album’s initial release in March. The venerable frontman takes the disparity in stride.

“I think our album grows on people as time goes on, so it’s not anything I really care about if someone has a negative opinion on our album right away.”

Gin can certainly be described as a grower. It’s not easy to take in the dense musical, lyrical, and conceptual layers of the album on a first listen. Once the listener has time to really delve into the record, though, the epiphanies can begin, the first being Holy shit, this could be one of the best metal albums of all time. Though Cobalt started in a more primal black metal idiom with recordings like Hammerfight and War Metal, the last three releases – Eater of Birds, Landfill Breastmilk Beast, and especially Gin – have taken them down a more experimental and nuanced road. The core essence of their black metal sound is still there, mostly in the dead-summoning screams of McSorley and the tremolo-picked riffs of Wunder, but the sound palette has expanded to include the likes of Tool, Neurosis, and Jarboe, the latter of whom even lent her patented vocals to the last two full-lengths.

The new and expansive sound of the band is what allows tracks like “Gin” – a furious black metal maelstrom that successfully fuses a clean guitar intro with a strangled Darkthrone-esque climax – and “Dry Body” – a subtle and dark acoustic piece that notably contains the album’s only totally clean vocal performance from McSorley – to sit comfortably next to each other on an album. And despite the sense of playfulness and expansion, one gets the sense that Cobalt know exactly what a Cobalt song should sound like and would never betray the ethic of the band. McSorley concurs.

“I think me and Erik have been playing music together since we were fifteen. We both know what Cobalt should sound like. We both know what the basic premise of our music is going to be.”

Of course, the basic premise of Cobalt goes far beyond just what comes out of your speakers when you drop the needle; the band has forged a very specific visual, lyrical and ethical identity as well. Gin represents the culmination of all these elements. The album is dedicated to Ernest Hemingway and Hunter S. Thompson. The cover depicts a young Hemingway in his World War I uniform; the back, an elderly Hemingway holding the shotgun that he used to take his own life. The centerfold of the booklet shows Thompson shooting his typewriter. The rest of the booklet is filled with blurred images of Wunder, McSorley and fire. The back page offers few words, but more than any past albums have offered: “This album is a springboard to fuck the universe. Let’s aim our arrows at the new sun.” That’s it. McSorley speaks eloquently on the subject of the non-musical elements of Cobalt, so it’s best to let him take it from here:

“Me and Erik will meet up a couple times a year or maybe just twice or once or whatever but when we do, it’s usually something that we talk about. I’ve never wanted to have artwork for our cover be something that looks like it was drawn by a fucking cartoonist. The cover with Hemingway is pretty significant to us. Before the United States Army was actually involved in World War I, he volunteered and went over there, with really no moral obligation to do so, he just did it because he just felt like he was a lion and that’s where he belonged. That’s significant for my life because I really don’t have any political convictions as far as me being in the military or anything like that. I just relate with Hemingway in feeling that that’s just the natural state for man and that’s where we belong as people; individuals. And then the counterbalance to that being the back where Hemingway is standing in his underwear, holding the shotgun that he ended up taking his own life with, out of his mind, he had been in two plane crashes, he survived tons of illnesses, he’d been in six conflicts, and he got to the point where he just thought he was useless. He couldn’t write anymore, he couldn’t perform any of the essential parts of his life anymore, and he took his own life. And with that to relate to the inner artwork on the inside with Hunter shooting his own typewriter just says that sometimes the most beautiful thing is to destroy your own art. Hemingway killing himself, Hunter S. Thompson destroying his typewriter. Most people don’t know this, I don’t think we’ve ever told anyone about this, but the picture on the inside of all the fire, that’s actually a pile of Landfill Breastmilk Beast EPs that Profound Lore sent us earlier that week and me and Erik made a bonfire out of them, just burned a shitload of them out in his yard, and that’s where those pictures came from, so that artwork all ties in together without us even saying anything about it. We don’t like putting our lyrics in there, we don’t like putting a bunch of fucking words, we don’t like thanking anyone. It’s an album, it’s not a fucking plea for someone out in the scene to understand us and feel like they know us because they got their name in the fucking thank you list. What’s important is the art.”

[I]What’s important is the art. Five words from the horse’s mouth sum up the Cobalt experience as well as any article or analysis ever could. But those words come from Cobalt Phil McSorley, and Cobalt Phil McSorley and Army Phil McSorley aren’t exactly the same person. True, that same primal rage comes out in many of the same ways in a recording studio and on a battlefield, but in a recording studio, no one is shooting at you. As he mentioned, the two spheres of his life rarely intersect. What was the impetus for this iconoclastic black metal singer to go put his life on the line without any political convictions to speak of? Again, this is best told by the man himself:

“Well, what happened was I was married for awhile and in 2003 I got divorced and basically that’s what the whole fuel for the lyrics on what Eater of Birds was all about. After a while, I was just living a chicken-shit life, working in a factory, just totally fucking unsatisfied as a human being and I decided that I wanted to join the Army. I had no moral qualms with it, but I’ve never been a fucking supporter of whatever goes on in the government; I’m no mouthpiece for the United States Army or the United States government for that matter, but I definitely just felt that I had no problems with it and decided that I wouldn’t mind taking off. So what I did was I took everything that I fucking owned and I gave it all away. I gave away my fucking t-shirts, I gave away my fucking bed, I gave away every single thing that I owned so there was no way for me to turn back. And I went and joined the Army, went to Fort Knox, Kentucky for basic training as a scout which is kind of like an advanced kind of infantry, I guess, and after that was done I went to Korea for a couple of years. After that, I got out, went to airborne school, got promoted to sergeant, went to Iraq for a year, was out in Baghdad for that time, then got out of there and I’m a staff sergeant now, and I definitely plan on making a career out of it. I think that this is just the one place in life where I can excel with the type of attitude that I have because I’m too high-strung for the civilian world I think now. I think before I joined the Army I was okay, but I don’t think I could make it out there now because the way that the civilian world works, just the way that everything is on the outside of what’s going on in my life bothers me too much, and I couldn’t see myself as a part of that anymore.”

That type of attitude that McSorley describes comes out pretty clearly on Cobalt albums, and it’s a testament to his own self-awareness that he can’t go back to the civilian world after doing what he’s been doing. Fortunately, his constant globetrotting doesn’t really affect the songwriting or recording process for Cobalt. Again, his working relationship with Erik Wunder is so close spiritually that it needn’t be close in proximity.

“I put a lot of trust in him and he puts a lot of trust in me as far as not coming up with anything that’s going to alter the course of Cobalt in a derogatory way,” McSorley says. The improbability of the band’s situation makes the greatness they regularly produce even more impressive.

But Phil McSorley isn’t one to put himself on a pedestal, even when he’s on top of a mountain. His lyric-writing is unparalleled, his vocal performances are nothing short of awe-inspiring, and when he’s not fronting one of the most creatively vital bands in America right now, he’s fighting to defend her on faraway battlefields. Since he’s unlikely to sing his own praises (a less ubiquitous character trait than you’d think in the me-first metal scene of today), a few of his closest non-Army associates stepped forward to give him a fair appraisal.

Chris Bruni, the head of Profound Lore Records, one of the best and most important labels in underground metal today, had this to say about McSorley: “Phil is the real deal, the embodiment of impulse and excess, and in a scene where most people do a lot of talking but can never back their words up with action, Phil is a man who puts his money where his mouth is; a very special individual. Kvlt black metal/war metal basement/internet-dwelling warriors, or all these black metal bands who sing about war, death, and violence wouldn't even last a week if they were to live Phil's life and would probably shit their pants if they were to spend a day in his shoes. Not only that, Phil is one of the best vocalists in extreme metal and pretty much the best lyricist in metal today.”

His bandmate Erik Wunder has similarly glowing remarks: “Growing up together, he was a serious reprobate. His hate for authority, in a very constructive way, is an extremely pure shout towards the real meaning of mankind. He is one of the most relentless friends I've ever had. That's why we've been friends for so long.”

Even as this article cracks the 2000 word mark, so much has been left unsaid about the greatness of Cobalt’s Gin album and the merits of its busiest creator. Words can only do so much in situations like these. Actually listening to Gin is the only way to properly appreciate it, and actually talking to Phil McSorley is the only way to really get into his head – and I’m still not even halfway there on either count despite having done both. Once again, no one can articulate McSorley’s situation like the man himself, and when asked how to sum up what his life is all about, he had some unsurprisingly profound words to offer.

“I’m not a mouthpiece for the government, I’m not a poster child for the Army, and I’m definitely not fucking Rambo. I’m not trying to act like I’m the baddest motherfucker around, but I put my money where my mouth was when I said that we were playing war metal, and even though we’ve changed our style over the years, I’m still here, and I’m still doing what the fuck I want to do with my life. I appreciate all of our fans. I appreciate all the people who write us all the time and stuff. It’s important to us to thank the few people out there who really understand what we’re trying to do.”

(Full transcript of interview with SSgt McSorley available upon request)

mankvill

01-06-2010, 12:44 PM

nuh uh, it's our very own Natrlhi!

powerslave_85

01-06-2010, 01:16 PM

Great interview, dude.

ADD

01-06-2010, 01:31 PM

Again Brad excellent stuff. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this.

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 02:11 PM

Great interview, dude.

Again Brad excellent stuff. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this.

Thanks guys! :party: :D

nuh uh, it's our very own Natrlhi!

Honorable mention! :)

Natrlhi

01-06-2010, 02:25 PM

nuh uh, it's our very own Natrlhi!

:cool:

Natrlhi

01-06-2010, 02:38 PM

Honorable mention! :)
:bowdown: I am not worthy!

Seriously, bro - that is one of the most badass posts on this board. Nicely done, and thanks for posting it (FINALLY!). ;)

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 03:47 PM

:bowdown: I am not worthy!

Seriously, bro - that is one of the most badass posts on this board. Nicely done, and thanks for posting it (FINALLY!). ;)

:horns: Thanks Nat. Your actually wanting to read this shit pushed me to work through it when laziness threatened to stop me. ;)

ChildrenofSodom

01-06-2010, 04:15 PM

A completely fucked up mentality, that personally goes against everything I believe. But hey, more power to him for doing what he wants to do. Good music, but I can't endorse his beliefs anymore than I can Varg.

powerslave_85

01-06-2010, 04:22 PM

A completely fucked up mentality, that personally goes against everything I believe. But hey, more power to him for doing what he wants to do. Good music, but I can't endorse his beliefs anymore than I can Varg.
Am I missing something here?

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 04:25 PM

Am I missing something here?

The cover with Hemingway [in his WWI uniform] is pretty significant to us. Before the United States Army was actually involved in World War I, he volunteered and went over there, with really no moral obligation to do so, he just did it because he just felt like he was a lion and thatís where he belonged. Thatís significant for my life because I really donít have any political convictions as far as me being in the military or anything like that. I just relate with Hemingway in feeling that thatís just the natural state for man and thatís where we belong as people; individuals.

I'm guessing.

powerslave_85

01-06-2010, 04:31 PM

Oh. Well, that didn't strike me as very shocking, and definitely not in the same ballpark as somone like Varg.

ChildrenofSodom

01-06-2010, 04:46 PM

Oh. Well, that didn't strike me as very shocking, and definitely not in the same ballpark as somone like Varg.

The idea that man is in a constant, natural state of war, and that he has no qualms about killing, being in the military, etc. I don't understand how he can fulfill his duties in a mission that is so controversial (such as the Iraq War) that has caused such high casualties on both sides, and sparked such a highly emotional debate on both sides....and not feel any opinion whatsoever. Its strange to me. And the emotions/thoughts he is experiencing are pretty disturbing, even if they do result in good music. He doesn't ever want to return to civilian life (for good reason, factory work is shitty), dedicating his life to a single thing (his military 'career' sans the politics/personal investment), past feelings of worthlessness, and fascination with killing oneself whenever he feels he is no longer worthy in his own eyes....Thats pretty deep. I'm not sure how he is going to hide that from the military psychologists.

PS - Brad, I think your patriotism is showing. Phil said he doesn't have an opinion of The War or politics or the government, yet you refer to the military as "heroic" and allude to him 'defending his country'....Thats not what he enlisted for.

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 04:55 PM

PS - Brad, I think your patriotism is showing. Phil said he doesn't have an opinion of The War or politics or the government, yet you refer to the military as "heroic" and allude to him 'defending his country'....Thats not what he enlisted for.

I had qualms about this, but ultimately decided that no matter what the motivation is, defending one's country is an honorable line of work. You can argue with this, and you'd probably give me all the good, sound logic I can handle, but I can't help but think that the military is kind of in a realm all to itself. If Phil McSorley gets his leg blown off by a car bomb, the contribution he made to his country isn't less heroic because his heart wasn't in it for patriotic reasons. Two years ago, I would probably slap myself in the face for saying that, but I can not picture myself going to war in any way, shape or form, so I've come to respect the military quite a bit more as time goes by.

powerslave_85

01-06-2010, 04:56 PM

I'm not sure how he is going to hide that from the military psychologists.You'd be shocked at how many people in the military (especially those who are deployed) have similar feelings and attitudes. The military mostly looks the other way, but lately they've had to change the way they deal with it because of the skyrocketing suicide rate and incidents like the Ft. Hood shooting.

ChildrenofSodom

01-06-2010, 04:58 PM

I had qualms about this, but ultimately decided that no matter what the motivation is, defending one's country is an honorable line of work. You can argue with this, and you'd probably give me all the good, sound logic I can handle, but I can't help but think that the military is kind of in a realm all to itself. If Phil McSorley gets his leg blown off by a car bomb, the contribution he made to his country isn't less heroic because his heart wasn't in it for patriotic reasons. Two years ago, I would probably slap myself in the face for saying that, but I can not picture myself going to war in any way, shape or form, so I've come to respect the military quite a bit more as time goes by.

I'm sure he would argue that he got hurt doing what he wanted to do, and it wasn't heroic - It was just him fulfilling his natural destiny as a warring human being. I liked your article, I just didn't think those two instances did justice to what he would want. You're portraying him in a light that he near-explicitly says he doesn't want to be portrayed in.

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 05:01 PM

I'm sure he would argue that he got hurt doing what he wanted to do, and it wasn't heroic - It was just him fulfilling his natural destiny as a warring human being. I liked your article, I just didn't think those two instances did justice to what he would want. You're portraying him in a light that he near-explicitly says he doesn't want to be portrayed in.

That's fair, thanks for the critique. :) He said he loved the article though so it stays. :tongue:

ChildrenofSodom

01-06-2010, 05:04 PM

That's fair, thanks for the critique. :) He said he loved the article though so it stays. :tongue:

Thats what I'm here for. Village cynic.

Div

01-06-2010, 05:28 PM

i was expecting this to be some lame ass dick sucking thread to promote cobalt some more, but you actually interviewed the guy! this was a pleasant surprise and I hope you do more stuff like this in the future, metalsetlists having its very own exclusive interviews is a cool thing.:fist:

DethMaiden

01-06-2010, 05:32 PM

i was expecting this to be some lame ass dick sucking thread to promote cobalt some more, but you actually interviewed the guy! this was a pleasant surprise and I hope you do more stuff like this in the future, metalsetlists having its very own exclusive interviews is a cool thing.:fist:

It was still a lame-ass dick suck, it just had quotes. ;)

SomewhereInTime72

01-07-2010, 06:01 AM

I would call this a well-executed dick suck. :tongue:

jhdeity

01-07-2010, 06:42 AM

Personally I think the world needs more people like him. I do find it somewhat amusing that the qualities that make him who he is are often ridiculed on this site and I'll never understand that. Hating on a band because they write stupid lyrics is cool, hating on a band that just doesn't get it like Suicide Silence is understandable but some of the other shit I see on here just makes me shake my head.

I will always respect a Lion and that dude is a Lion. Man of the year? I can buy that.

DethMaiden

01-07-2010, 05:26 PM

Note: Phil will be on the Fox News program Red Eye tonight at 3 AM EST, not sure what it's about, but this is the show that has had GWAR on several times and is generally one of the better Fox News programs. Check it out if you're awake.

mankvill

01-07-2010, 05:42 PM

Note: Phil will be on the Fox News program Red Eye tonight at 3 AM EST, not sure what it's about, but this is the show that has had GWAR on several times and is generally one of the better Fox News programs. Check it out if you're awake.

Now tell me what you know about a possible chance to see them live! You alluded to this back when you had the interview with Phil, but you said that details would be forthcoming later. It's later, motherfucker - now SPILL. :D

Now tell me what you know about a possible chance to see them live! You alluded to this back when you had the interview with Phil, but you said that details would be forthcoming later. It's later, motherfucker - now SPILL. :D

I'm in a Kroger in Tennessee with the worst wireless ever right now. Remind me on Sunday and I'll email you the full transcript, which will include details on live shit.

mankvill

01-08-2010, 03:50 PM

I think I'm going to e-mail the Kansas City Star, our newspaper. I bet they could get an interview with him since he's stationed here!

DethMaiden

01-08-2010, 03:58 PM

Red Eye is a joke. Fox News is a joke, but Red Eye is funny...but not journalism...and probably not genuienly interested in 'metal'.

"Red Eye is a joke," as in it tries to be funny and realizes it is a joke program, I hope? There's nothing news or journalism about it, it's just a fun show that airs at 3 AM and has metal people on it occasionally (Andrew WK, Buzz Osbourne from Melvins, Oderus from GWAR, McSorley now). I think it's a pretty decent show that realizes that the 24 hours news cycle is a joke so it doesn't pretend to be a news show. Along with the glimpses of balance from Shepard Smith and Brit Hume (and of course the opportunity to look at Greta Van Susteren, ow ow) it justifies Fox News' existence.

powerslave_85

01-08-2010, 04:06 PM

"Red Eye is a joke," as in it tries to be funny and realizes it is a joke program, I hope? There's nothing news or journalism about it, it's just a fun show that airs at 3 AM and has metal people on it occasionally (Andrew WK, Buzz Osbourne from Melvins, Oderus from GWAR, McSorley now). I think it's a pretty decent show that realizes that the 24 hours news cycle is a joke so it doesn't pretend to be a news show. Along with the glimpses of balance from Shepard Smith and Brit Hume (and of course the opportunity to look at Greta Van Susteren, ow ow) it justifies Fox News' existence.
I dunno, the people they have on Red Eye makes it kind of obvious that someone has a genuine interest in that kind of music. I mean, Buzz Osbourne and the guy from Fucked Up aren't exactly household names, and the same goes for Phil.

ChildrenofSodom

01-08-2010, 04:29 PM

Uh, no.

ADD

01-08-2010, 04:40 PM

He sounds like a nihilistic dick on paper

:confused: :lol:

Cool interview on Fox, seemed like the main host is the guy really into the band, those other 2 douche bags they showed at the beginning were obviously not down, but I think the host was sincere and asked good questions.