Georgia Abortion Bill

Then be prepared to get called out for your personal brand of hypocrisy.

I think you need to look up the definition of the word "hypocrisy."

Your posting history betrays you. You don't even seem to be self aware of how your dependency on the 10 Commandments, for example, informs your
argument of civil liability. As if a woman's body is chattel, owned by the man who plants his seed inside of her.

Your posting history in this thread betrays you. I called you out for a demonstrably false and misleading comment about the Bible, not for
anything to do with abortion rights. I then quoted exact verses with their Hebrew wording along with the exact quoted definition on those Hebrew
words. You refused to even acknowledge the fact that your statement is in direct conflict with the Ten Commandments.

The bill as written is about civil liability, which I have agreed with Phage is quite probably a sneaky way to get around Roe vs. Wade. Show me one
excerpt from the law that states a criminal penalty for anything concerning abortion. You can't... because it's not there. That has nothing to do with
religion. That is the law itself. That is what is being signed. That's the subject of this thread. You seem unable to address that law, instead
reverting to some tired old false talking points about "Bible is bad" or "God hates women."

You have obviously no freakin' idea of what you are talking about, even down to my own feelings on abortion. So, let me make this as clear as I
can:

I do not discuss serious issues with people who cannot understand them. That means I will not discuss this issue with you. Go preach your hate to
someone else.

I called you out for a demonstrably false and misleading comment about the Bible, not for anything to do with abortion rights.

No, you interjected yourself into your own personal holy war!

This is the post to which I was responding.

It has to do with life being sacred.
Ergo abortion is murder.
That is in the bible.

The Bible doesn't portray life a sacred. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact.
The Bible doesn't see abortion as murder, or the unborn as people. As a matter of fact God recommends abortion and the murder of pregnant women quite
often in the Bible. So get your self righteous attitude in check, hypocrite!

You refused to even acknowledge the fact that your statement is in direct conflict with the Ten Commandments.

The 10 Commandments are the finest example of hypocrisy that ever existed! The biblical god and almost the entire biblical narrative, including the
worship of your precious Jesus Christ, are in direct contradiction of the 10 Commandments. Don't even get me started on how morally wrong all of the
10 Commandments actually are.

The bill as written is about civil liability,

No it's not. This bill isn't about tort law. This is a personhood bill, that cites the unborn as people, with rights under the 14th Amendment of the
US Constitution. This law outlaws and criminalized abortion, as the taking of a life, at the arbitrary stage of an audible heartbeat.

I've never understood the "right to do what I want with my own body" routine. It's YOUR body now, that fetus? I don't think so. One way or another
you leased out your womb for 9 months. Your way of breaking the lease is to kill the tenant. Your lease will be up in nine months and you can kick the
tenant out of your life if that's what you want. The tenant would be much better off than to stay with you and have a chance at a good life, at least
a chance. But you don't want the tenant and believe you have the right to kill him or her. That's absurd.

Stick your fingers in your ears and dance around all you want, You're using your fake moral high ground to tap dance around that fact that this bill
proclaims the unborn as "people", persons as acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence and protected under the 14th Amendment of the US
Constitution. It also proclaims that abortion is "homicide".

So again, this bill may conform with your biblical interpretation of the 10 Commandments and your righteous duty to control your women and asses, but
it's unconstitutional as hell, and won't survive the courts.

So again, this bill may conform with your biblical interpretation of the 10 Commandments and your righteous duty to control your women and
asses, but it's unconstitutional as hell, and won't survive the courts.

Me: "This appears to be a workaround bill... not a good idea IMO. It's also too vague. Not sure it will pass court muster."

You: "You're just mad! Damn Christians! This is a bad bill!"

Me: "I said that."

You: "Quit being such a hypocrite! I don't know what a hypocrite is, but you're being one!"

To me, there is almost no excuse for any grown woman to have an abortion these days (except in cases of rape). Birth control of many types are
available.

I don't think a human being should die because someone was being too relaxed when they decided to have a romp.

I mean I know, I know, there are alot of younger women that are pressured into sex when they aren't ready and for it, and they are too immature to
make a logical step to protect themselves in those scenarios. I suppose I can make an exception - but I feel dreadfully sorry for them and all the
psychological issues they will have for the rest of their lives because of two mistakes. I have had several relationships in my life where women I
adored as human beings broke down and cried for hours and hours with me because of that event that happened in their lives. Non of them felt no guilt
and that it was just something they did to solve a problem. They all felt horrible sadness and emotional pain.

If anyone really wants to know why western women are sometimes "crazy" I think you need look no further than their trip to the abortion clinic. I
wonder what percentage of women in the US have had abortions.

I agree with you. There is no excuse except straight up laziness, ignorance, and irresponsibility that abortions are so frequent. I'm of the mindset
that abortion should be legal and RARE. No one can argue with a straight face that abortions are rare.

It is extremely difficult to get pregnant when using birth control. It does happen, but not nearly in the numbers that people would have you believe.
What most people mean when "condom broke" is that they didn't use a condom... or forgot their pill.

The problem with the abortion debate is that we have extremist on both sides driving policy instead of basic common sense. On the right we have
people claiming it is a baby at the moment of conception and on the left we have people wanting to abort live births. It is lunacy on both sides.

I don't have an issue with abortion being legal up to say about 6 to 8 weeks. The woman needs to make a decision and stick with it. However, there
is no reason beyond exceedingly rare instances where we should be aborting babies after about 20 weeks.

Show me one excerpt from the law that states a criminal penalty for anything concerning abortion. You can't... because it's not there.

It doesn't have to. It labels abortion as "homicide". There are already laws against homicide.

This is a personhood bill, that grants legal status and protections to the unborn.

ere. That has nothing to do with religion.

I never asserted religion. I refuted a post that said the Bible says life is sacred and that abortion is murder. You were happy to spend several
posts citing biblical quotes to reinforce that stance.

You seem unable to address that law

I am addressing that law. The law makes all abortions after an audible heart beat illegal, pronounces the "unborn" as persons as acknowledged in the
Declaration of Independence, (cited in the bill) and the protected by the 14th Amendment, (also cited). Of course the bill ignores that pesky part of
the 14th Amendment that qualifies its protection only extends to "persons born".

I'm addressing the fact that this bill is unconstitutional. I observed that you are fascinated with chattel aspect of the bill, that allows for law
suits to recover damages for anyone affected by the "homicide", going back to the time of the audible heart beat of that "person", and how it works so
nicely with the 10 Commandments.

Of course this bill is trying to get around Roe V Wade, but it's also trying to get around the 14th Amendment.

So, reading the law, it is now indeed a criminal act to perform an abortion based on the "heartbeat" criterion.

Article 5 of Chapter 12 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to abortion, is amended by revising Code Section
16-12-141, relating to restrictions on the performance of abortions and availability of records, as follows

Here is 16-12-140:

(a) A person commits the offense of criminal abortion when, in violation of Code Section 16-12-141 , he or she administers any medicine, drugs, or
other substance whatever to any woman or when he or she uses any instrument or other means whatever upon any woman with intent to produce a
miscarriage or abortion.

(b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal abortion shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years.

So, reading the law, it is now indeed a criminal act to perform an abortion based on the "heartbeat" criterion.

Article 5 of Chapter 12 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to abortion, is amended by revising Code Section
16-12-141, relating to restrictions on the performance of abortions and availability of records, as follows

Here is 16-12-140:

(a) A person commits the offense of criminal abortion when, in violation of Code Section 16-12-141 , he or she administers any medicine, drugs, or
other substance whatever to any woman or when he or she uses any instrument or other means whatever upon any woman with intent to produce a
miscarriage or abortion.

(b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal abortion shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years.

You're right; it doesn't. But a charge can still be made. Just because one could get the charges dismissed based on jurisdiction, it does not follow
that one would not, in such a circumstance, have to go through the hell of defending oneself.

I didn't like this bill to start, and I am liking it less the more I read it. What are you doing Georgia?

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