You are right but when you hit a plateau and reach certain point when supplement food and good sleeping are not helping you to grow muscles and your hard work is not going to get you result.. I hope u get my point.
I dont take clen to bulk but to maintain my current weight i dont take it alone it's a part of my cycle along with deca and susta i know i've gone too far this time but it's just for 5 weeks, and i will be cleaning my body for the next month, i had no other options trust me i tried everything except this, and this is guaranteed.

And how long have you been working out? Your reach a plateau after 4 years of training where the gains you make become really slow.

Dura, susta AND clen. Wow. You want it all at the same time. Might as well add some winstrol in the mix just for good luck. And over 5 weeks? If you are gonna get your hands dirty, might as well go for a full cycle, 5 weeks ain't gonna do nothin for you.

Take it easy, get out of the gym and live a little. You want this too badly.

And how long have you been working out? Your reach a plateau after 4 years of training where the gains you make become really slow.

Dura, susta AND clen. Wow. You want it all at the same time. Might as well add some winstrol in the mix just for good luck. And over 5 weeks? If you are gonna get your hands dirty, might as well go for a full cycle, 5 weeks ain't gonna do nothin for you.

Take it easy, get out of the gym and live a little. You want this too badly.

I've been working for since 10 months but the result is the same since 6 months. 5 weeks is a beginner cycle so i am going easy on myself otherwise i would gone for Tren.

I've been working for since 10 months but the result is the same since 6 months. 5 weeks is a beginner cycle so i am going easy on myself otherwise i would gone for Tren.

The result is the same because you are overtraining. Period. There are a million things you can do to break a plateau. But apparently you do not have the discipline nor the patience. Good luck in keeping your gains! 5 week cycle, lol. Whomever told you that has absolutely no clue.

the coach who gave me this have reached 3rd place in bodybuilding contest, anyway man just forget it i told you it's a beginner cycle. and yes i have the discipline, if i didn't i wouldn't have transformed my life, and left behind many bad things i abused before bodybuilding, but i think i waited enough.

Yeah I meant steroids. Seems that the "coaches" at gyms in Lebanon are quick to recommend steroids to just about anyone, because no one lifts properly here

Depends on your genetics too this is what i realized lately, i've been living since 8 months on supplement and healthy food i don't have a desk job, i have a very active job too, I used to do many activities MMA, Swimming.. all in moderate and results were minors, in just 2 weeks i notice more difference than i noticed in my whole workout days, (actually on the second week i noticed this, first week no changes).

Anyway let's forget about this, please. I don't want this thread to be closed because of steroid discussion.

Depends on your genetics too this is what i realized lately, i've been living since 8 months on supplement and healthy food i don't have a desk job, i have a very active job too, I used to do many activities MMA, Swimming.. all in moderate and results were minors, in just 2 weeks i notice more difference than i noticed in my whole workout days, (actually on the second week i noticed this, first week no changes).

Anyway let's forget about this, please. I don't want this thread to be closed because of steroid discussion.

Depends on your genetics too this is what i realized lately, i've been living since 8 months on supplement and healthy food i don't have a desk job, i have a very active job too, I used to do many activities MMA, Swimming.. all in moderate and results were minors, in just 2 weeks i notice more difference than i noticed in my whole workout days, (actually on the second week i noticed this, first week no changes).

Anyway let's forget about this, please. I don't want this thread to be closed because of steroid discussion.

I wasnt following the thread for a while, Bas ktir metfeja2 ... I really thought you are a well informed individual which is rare in Lebanon... Bas tla3et mghalat !
Why are u using Clen while ur on a bulk ! Why ur even worried about ur belly fat if ur on a bulk !
Your worried about water retention Bas feyet bi cycle decca susta Yale ma ra7 ya3mol shi ghair y3abik may khsouse for 5 weeks !!!!!!
Your doing it all wrong my friend !!
You got to set a goal bel awal and stick to it ma fik ta3mol kel shi at once. When bulking u are going to gain shwayet fat when cutting u are going to lose some muscles ... Fa ur going no where because u want it all ... Even with the cycle which is not recommended in any circumstances Bas decca susta really ???

I wasnt following the thread for a while, Bas ktir metfeja2 ... I really thought you are a well informed individual which is rare in Lebanon... Bas tla3et mghalat !
Why are u using Clen while ur on a bulk ! Why ur even worried about ur belly fat if ur on a bulk !
Your worried about water retention Bas feyet bi cycle decca susta Yale ma ra7 ya3mol shi ghair y3abik may khsouse for 5 weeks !!!!!!
Your doing it all wrong my friend !!
You got to set a goal bel awal and stick to it ma fik ta3mol kel shi at once. When bulking u are going to gain shwayet fat when cutting u are going to lose some muscles ... Fa ur going no where because u want it all ... Even with the cycle which is not recommended in any circumstances Bas decca susta really ???

U know a good deal about supplements but did not bother to do some research about steroids. Come on man! Lookup the link i gave above. If you are on higher doses than this, eh yalli 2allak ta3moul hek bhim !

Again, you do not need steroids before 4 years. I told you before you are overtraining, bass ma baddak tesma3! I am making solid gains without even considering steroids! I can bench press 100 kgs @6 reps, I can do 25 pullups, My romanian deadlift rep max is now 150 kgs and it's been 9 months since I began training again. Gainz are slow I admit, but they come and don't go away quickly.

When you are bulking, you are bulking, fat is inevitable! The best thing you can do is get clean food, get your protein, do some brisk walking after your workout (That way you burn off some fat while not stressing your muscles) and RESTTTTTTTTT !. Everybody wants to get big and lean, but its a cycle. And it needs alot of discipline and respect. Something we Lebanese have forgotten and/or taken for granted.

Reach your genetic potential first. Know what your body is capable of. Let your ego at the door. DO not let the supplement industry and magazines into your head. And when you've mastered it, when you respect this sport, then you have the right to consider steroids.

U know a good deal about supplements but did not bother to do some research about steroids. Come on man! Lookup the link i gave above. If you are on higher doses than this, eh yalli 2allak ta3moul hek bhim !

Again, you do not need steroids before 4 years. I told you before you are overtraining, bass ma baddak tesma3! I am making solid gains without even considering steroids! I can bench press 100 kgs @6 reps, I can do 25 pullups, My romanian deadlift rep max is now 150 kgs and it's been 9 months since I began training again. Gainz are slow I admit, but they come and don't go away quickly.

When you are bulking, you are bulking, fat is inevitable! The best thing you can do is get clean food, get your protein, do some brisk walking after your workout (That way you burn off some fat while not stressing your muscles) and RESTTTTTTTTT !. Everybody wants to get big and lean, but its a cycle. And it needs alot of discipline and respect. Something we Lebanese have forgotten and/or taken for granted.

Reach your genetic potential first. Know what your body is capable of. Let your ego at the door. DO not let the supplement industry and magazines into your head. And when you've mastered it, when you respect this sport, then you have the right to consider steroids.

Awesome reply what can i say your absolutely right, my bad that i didn't have the time to read because i didn't thought that i mightthrough it thanks for the link i know about that site but i didn't check it when i got my cycle anyway i realized that most thing annoyed me and which made me go through this is ppl who's been training with me this year everyday and look at me and say man you stopped gaining your results should be better, you know how this is annoying when your trying your best ? with food and everything. I hate what i am doing now and i told you it's wrong but it's a dirty experience and i will be back on track again i think my doses are fine too. Then when i'm clean i want to figure out a way that can help me increase my bench press weight lifting increase, because i don't want to mess with my Hormones anymore.

Damn !! I've been gone for a week or 2 and everything has gone to sh!t :P

I agree with Hany and Andrew 100%, I think you should've been a little more patient. And Andrew has a point, I mean you're over training your body to a certain point where it completely shuts down and stops progressing. You are well informed about everything, supplements, food... but you should go a little easier. MMA training for an hour, weight lifting (you're spending too much time... 3hrs ?! really ?!) and 30 minutes of cardio in the morning not to mention your job... Man that's a lot of stress on your nervous system. I know it's frustrating, hell i had to go through a whole facking year to drop the weight i dropped, not to mention all the crap about food and calories... but i wouldn't have it any other way because I love the challenges that comes with it. I hope the decision you took doesn't come back to haunt you dude (cause as far as I'm concerned any respectable trainer that recommends that sh!t is facking dumb ass, especially to a beginner)

It's not about the weight man unless you re a powerlifter.
I can only bench press 80kg and my chest looks 100* better than most trainees at my gym who can lift 100kg+.
Genetics play a big role here.

100% man ! Genetics play it's role ana i reach maximum 70 kilos bench press without a spotter, 80 kilos with a spotter (80 kilos alone can do it half way for 4 reps) last friday i started doing one rep max (1RM) after my workout, i did the flat bench press lifting 90 kilos coach said i should reach 100kg next week.

I just want to mention that i lowered my workout intesity to not overtrain it's now 50 mins strenght training daily rest time between sets and reps 30 to 45 seconds max, 30 mins Abs (3 times a week) 25 mins cardio on low speed 5.5 to 6.5x max MMA is just about 10 mins some punching, i left the 1 hour class.

yo guys, nice to see the lebanese thread active! i was following this a while back when it was created cause of question i had about shipping which got answered, but now im curious again because the shipping methods seem to have changed since my last order.. fi two methods hala2 badel tlete when i ordered last time. im just wondering whether "super saver" is reliable. last time i ordered "first class" or whatever it was called cause time was an issue w it came deghre ba3ed shi 4 days 3al beb, no need for post office or anything. akhu manyouke. bas hala2 time isnt so much of a problem -money always is though- so im wondering shu bi sir iza i choose super saver, if anyone has any idea. aw iza fi link la shi page bil forum bte7ko 3anna? sar fi 14 pages w ma3 lebanese internet ma ktir 2ele 5eli2 fatish baynatoun :P

yo guys, nice to see the lebanese thread active! i was following this a while back when it was created cause of question i had about shipping which got answered, but now im curious again because the shipping methods seem to have changed since my last order.. fi two methods hala2 badel tlete when i ordered last time. im just wondering whether "super saver" is reliable. last time i ordered "first class" or whatever it was called cause time was an issue w it came deghre ba3ed shi 4 days 3al beb, no need for post office or anything. akhu manyouke. bas hala2 time isnt so much of a problem -money always is though- so im wondering shu bi sir iza i choose super saver, if anyone has any idea. aw iza fi link la shi page bil forum bte7ko 3anna? sar fi 14 pages w ma3 lebanese internet ma ktir 2ele 5eli2 fatish baynatoun :P

thanks and merry christmas to all

Hey man welcome to the thread nice to see more Lebanese, when you order via
Super save you will not have an accurate tracking of your shipment update is at least 1 week delay your order will arrive between 25 to 30 days max. You will have to pick them from the nearest post office.

Hey man welcome to the thread nice to see more Lebanese, when you order via
Super save you will not have an accurate tracking of your shipment update is at least 1 week delay your order will arrive between 25 to 30 days max. You will have to pick them from the nearest post office.

One more thing do not order any protein tubes or any tubes that is heavier than 3lbs. I had problems with the customs coz of the protein shake, bastards said i need a clearance to order protein. Anyway you know won't face this if you order via priority.

It's not about the weight man unless you re a powerlifter.
I can only bench press 80kg and my chest looks 100* better than most trainees at my gym who can lift 100kg+.
Genetics play a big role here.

brb talking like you have a clue when you're 170 lbs and bench 80kg, true it's not just about the weight, but not everyone trains purely for hypertrophy some want to gain strength too and in the end strength gains are necessary to get bigger in the long run

100% man ! Genetics play it's role ana i reach maximum 70 kilos bench press without a spotter, 80 kilos with a spotter (80 kilos alone can do it half way for 4 reps) last friday i started doing one rep max (1RM) after my workout, i did the flat bench press lifting 90 kilos coach said i should reach 100kg next week.

If you need a spotter's help while lifting the weight you're doing it wrong, the spotter is only there in case you're unable to complete a rep and get stuck, infact you don't even need one I go a lot heavier than that and bench without a spot

If you need a spotter's help while lifting the weight you're doing it wrong, the spotter is only there in case you're unable to complete a rep and get stuck, infact you don't even need one I go a lot heavier than that and bench without a spot

I didnt say i need a spotter everytime only when i want to carry more than i can to break that plateau you need a spotter to help you reach the desired weight increase you can't do it alone and it's not everytime could be your last set or 1RM

lol man, not to be a dick... but you seriously are so clueless it's funny, you most likely don't even bench 100kg yet and you're running a cycle and thinking about your upper chest

All i wanted to say is you dont need to bench press 100kg+ or wrvr to have a good looking upper chest.

Originally Posted by Panterabreh

brb talking like you have a clue when you're 170 lbs and bench 80kg, true it's not just about the weight, but not everyone trains purely for hypertrophy some want to gain strength too and in the end strength gains are necessary to get bigger in the long run

Getting bigger and gaining strength is the easiest part here.
Big with 20+% bf = fail.
Big with 12-% bf=success.

Originally Posted by Panterabreh

If you need a spotter's help while lifting the weight you're doing it wrong, the spotter is only there in case you're unable to complete a rep and get stuck, infact you don't even need one I go a lot heavier than that and bench without a spot