This is the first time in the 10 series I have run or co-run where a TP has won outright. Congratulations to Budda. Town did a decent job, but they were hampered by early losses (i.e. the Super Saint.) Mafia needed to communicate more and more effectively, and I don't think Subutai did a great job of selling his innocence, but then neither did XLAV. In the end, both town and mafia lost to someone who publically admitted to being scum--there is probably a lesson in there somewhere if you care to find it.

We had a hard game. 7 town and 1 TP to two mafia. We caught a huge break with Adam's role, knocking out three town in one whole phase. We had the potential to win in DP3, but then 9space screwed up with his claim. I honestly thought I wouldn't survive DP4, but Khaos bought XLAV's scuminess, so I just globbed on to it.

Lying on the hill, crawling over the windowsill into your living room, they stare out, glass-eyed aimless heads, bodies torn by vultures. You are the man whose hands are rank with the smell of death. - Peter Hammill, "The Emperor in His War Room"

At 9/2/2014 5:14:07 PM, Subutai wrote:We had a hard game. 7 town and 1 TP to two mafia. We caught a huge break with Adam's role, knocking out three town in one whole phase. We had the potential to win in DP3, but then 9space screwed up with his claim. I honestly thought I wouldn't survive DP4, but Khaos bought XLAV's scuminess, so I just globbed on to it.

I had to hammer, since if you were scum, you'd just change your vote to me, and Budda would hammer.XLAV forced my hand, because I knew I was town.

At least the noble sheep provides us warm sweaters. All your hides would provide are coward pants. - Dick Solomon

Btw, this was my first game as mafia. What did you all think of my claiming?

Lying on the hill, crawling over the windowsill into your living room, they stare out, glass-eyed aimless heads, bodies torn by vultures. You are the man whose hands are rank with the smell of death. - Peter Hammill, "The Emperor in His War Room"

And this town, is why you always lynch TP's when you have the opportunity to. TP's win-con is to survive and they will do so by any means necessary. Especially survivors, the whoe "joint-win" schtick should never be believed lol.

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At 9/2/2014 5:30:49 PM, Buddamoose wrote:A rolestopper in the same game as a town ascetic? Its the perfect random arse frame job lol XD.

I know.... I saw that and was like "Crap".However, I'm disappointed that people would have thought that low of me.If anything, I'd have claimed commuter, since it gives me space.

I'd have fought my innocence, but I had things to do and figured I'd be lynched before I could post.XLAV's DP/NP2 play gave me enough suspicion to hammer him, but sub was hardly thought to be town. I just knew that if XLAV is mafia, good, if not, I'll be lynched.

At least the noble sheep provides us warm sweaters. All your hides would provide are coward pants. - Dick Solomon

Budda convinced me, lol.It was either you or Subtuai, before Budda posted I was still on Subtuai. I kept on getting roleblocked so I needed answers. DP3, I thought you were the roleblocker and you roleblock'd GCL and NK Krieg so you will look ascetic.

Uhhhh, because I was town and was going to be lynched. You were better than nothing.

How in the hell were you so sure I was scum?

Budda convinced me, lol.

Yep, because all those rolestopping roles makes perfect since, given the fact YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED!!!!!!

Why is it any more likely I am scum roleblocker than town ascetic?You were roleblocked. That means that either:1. You were roleblocked, which is about as unlikely as me being ascetic is.2. You were redirected to me, which means I am telling the truth.

Further, you KNEW sub was scum DP3, for reasons other than roles, so your changing your mind was dumb.

It was either you or Subtuai, before Budda posted I was still on Subtuai. I kept on getting roleblocked so I needed answers. DP3, I thought you were the roleblocker and you roleblock'd GCL and NK Krieg so you will look ascetic.

So, why was sub so clearly scum, which you ignored when it mattered most?

At least the noble sheep provides us warm sweaters. All your hides would provide are coward pants. - Dick Solomon

Here is what you did, and why I didn't trust you:DP2, you claimed to know TP, and didn't say anything, nor even press the lynch. Instead, you just fished for more roles.NP2, IMO, you should have investigated sub instead of 9space, to ensure his role. I am aware it did not matter ultimately, but I'd rather confirm a bomb than know the single unclaimed role.DP3, you were not really helpful.DP4, you put a vote on me because of a theory you had, stated by a player who was scum, that was disproven by means of reading the OP. It was just as likely you were redirected than were roleblocked.

Bottom line:You rely too much on roles.You are selfish as you care more about staying alive than helping town in the moment. (NP1 I put myself on the line, DP2, you did not out scum, and then outed yourself needlessly)You NEED to explain yourself better, and by this, I mean to start. "Because I say so" or "it is obvious" is not an explanation.

Uhhhh, because I was town and was going to be lynched. You were better than nothing.

Lol, and I was town too. Stupid hammer is stupid.

You know what you could have done? Since Budda was willing to side with mafia, you could have convinced Budda that you're actually scum and tell him to lynch Subtuai.

How in the hell were you so sure I was scum?

Budda convinced me, lol.

Yep, because all those rolestopping roles makes perfect since, given the fact YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED!!!!!!

Why is it any more likely I am scum roleblocker than town ascetic?You were roleblocked. That means that either:1. You were roleblocked, which is about as unlikely as me being ascetic is.

How is this unlikely? You just saw 2 roleblockers, town and mafia flipped.

2. You were redirected to me, which means I am telling the truth.

Could be, but the Krieg NK got me to the roleblocker conclusion.

Further, you KNEW sub was scum DP3, for reasons other than roles, so your changing your mind was dumb.

And you hammer on me was stupid. Why does it matter to you that I changed my mind? What if I still thought Sub was scum? You're still going to hammer me either way because you think I'm scum.

It was either you or Subtuai, before Budda posted I was still on Subtuai. I kept on getting roleblocked so I needed answers. DP3, I thought you were the roleblocker and you roleblock'd GCL and NK Krieg so you will look ascetic.

So, why was sub so clearly scum, which you ignored when it mattered most?

Here is what you did, and why I didn't trust you:DP2, you claimed to know TP, and didn't say anything, nor even press the lynch. Instead, you just fished for more roles.

I thought survivor was joint-win again and I would rather sacrifice myself to catch scum than to catch a TP.

NP2, IMO, you should have investigated sub instead of 9space, to ensure his role. I am aware it did not matter ultimately, but I'd rather confirm a bomb than know the single unclaimed role.DP3, you were not really helpful.DP4, you put a vote on me because of a theory you had, stated by a player who was scum, that was disproven by means of reading the OP. It was just as likely you were redirected than were roleblocked.

Yet you didn't think of that possibility and still hammered me.

Bottom line:You rely too much on roles.

Sadly true. I should rely more on my reads than my role.

You are selfish as you care more about staying alive than helping town in the moment. (NP1 I put myself on the line, DP2, you did not out scum, and then outed yourself needlessly)

Maybe you should have lead a lynch on the survivor instead of me, yah? Besides, I thought survivor was joint-win again so I decided to leave Budda alone.

You NEED to explain yourself better, and by this, I mean to start. "Because I say so" or "it is obvious" is not an explanation.

Here is what you did, and why I didn't trust you:DP2, you claimed to know TP, and didn't say anything, nor even press the lynch. Instead, you just fished for more roles.

I thought survivor was joint-win again and I would rather sacrifice myself to catch scum than to catch a TP.

NP2, IMO, you should have investigated sub instead of 9space, to ensure his role. I am aware it did not matter ultimately, but I'd rather confirm a bomb than know the single unclaimed role.DP3, you were not really helpful.DP4, you put a vote on me because of a theory you had, stated by a player who was scum, that was disproven by means of reading the OP. It was just as likely you were redirected than were roleblocked.

Yet you didn't think of that possibility and still hammered me.

Bottom line:You rely too much on roles.

Sadly true. I should rely more on my reads than my role.

You are selfish as you care more about staying alive than helping town in the moment. (NP1 I put myself on the line, DP2, you did not out scum, and then outed yourself needlessly)

Maybe you should have lead a lynch on the survivor instead of me, yah? Besides, I thought survivor was joint-win again so I decided to leave Budda alone.

You NEED to explain yourself better, and by this, I mean to start. "Because I say so" or "it is obvious" is not an explanation.

How the hell is my action failing scummy? If I were scum I would have said that Subtuai was lookout or some sht and try to get him lynched.

*sigh*Learn to read, brah. I was scum reading you most of the game, the fact that you would claim some BS about being roleblocked was making me rethink my read.

Again, with your vote on me, I had to act, as sub would change his vote, and Budda didn't care. You seem to forget that Budda doesn't care what lynch goes through, which, joint-win or not, he should have been lynched, because joint-win or not, he wins with ANY lynch. I hope you realize this now.

As such, and because I was busy (I'm sure you know the feeling), I had to vote you. Had you not placed my vote, AND GAVE ME TIME TO EXPLAIN MYSELF (similar to our current beginner game, eh?), I would have had time to think.

At least the noble sheep provides us warm sweaters. All your hides would provide are coward pants. - Dick Solomon