i've yet to read any info about 5.2 new content HL : it is quite strange to me to have no estimation at all about the futurequite disturbing compared to Cata : our progression speed was planned according to patch&nerf

What they did in Mists is split the non-raid stuff from the raids in regards to patches. Think if Firelands was a different patch from Molten Front; that's what they're going for. 5.2 will be the next tier of raids, but beyond that the only thing we know is they're planning an Ulduar/ICC style single raid with lots of bosses.

the pattern should follow for the rest of the xpack too5.3 will be more dailies/set up for T16, with 5.4 bringing T16 and the possible final raid of MoP

in cata we had dungeons in 4.1, raid and dailies in 4.2, and raid/dungeons in 4.3not that much different from now other than the addition of scenarios and spreading out content over more patches so we arent going OMG NEW RAID AND NEW REPS! WHAT TO DO! now we get to go OO NEW STORY! a few months later OO NEW RAID! another few months OO MORE NEW STORY! etc

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

oldboyz wrote: our progression speed was planned according to patch&nerf

I'm quite glad they are not nerfing (yet). My guild has been very slow to get going with raiding - we've only raided 3 times and killed 3 bosses - and it would be good to have the time to have a shot at a good chunk of the raids pre-nerf. [I may be singing a different tune when we reach Elegon, as I gather he's a stiff dps check.]

For the same reason, I'm glad there's no raid in 5.1, as that would tend to make the existing three raids obsolete. I'm not in a hurry for 5.2, although the 5.1 stuff was well timed for me as I had finished the launch rep grinds. I like the intermittent story quests as you go through the dailies - it's something I think MMOs should do more, unravel stories over time and create events, rather than leave the world static.

Im quite happy with this new patch system they have. Not trying to cram everything into one big patch means stuff can come out closer to when its ready rather than waiting on something else to join it.Also keeps things from getting to dull by breaking up those big gaps we used to have.

oldboyz wrote:are we late on schedule, still ahead of normal ? no clue...

Is your guild complaining with lack of kills and poor performance? Behind SchedulleIs your guild complaining with lack of time, too much pressure? Ahead of SchedulleAre your guild happy and having FUN? Bingo, You are on schedulle...

TL:DR: It's a fck game, have fun, the only schedulle you should have is for work...

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

My impression is that they aren't nerfing - that the gear upgrades (supposedly) work the same way, and that they are removing the FoS/achievements for killing end bosses heroic without nerf enabled.supposedly becaus it doesn't make the raids any easier, and the progression is indeed slowed a lot by upgrades eequiring VP, and with only 4 upgrades available per 3 weeks.

@mannstein : Lead need objective arguments-some will always find we are not fast enought - the more stress, the more fun -other will always find there is no stress and all fine (and find LFR a good fun)

for the moment, my only comparaison point is wowprogress (but can't be use as a safe repository, it is relative)

during Cata, i was able to please everyone in my guildMOP is more complicated

Wonder how they're going to maintain the Alliance/Horde conflict during a "kill the Mogu/Trolls" tier. Hope they do something interesting with it - perhaps the Thunder King could have more Sha weapons that Garrosh wants, and the raid becomes a race to secure/destroy them.