Baltimore born, Foxboro raised (11 years in each). I'm a great fan of both teams, but I'm going to speak from my Baltimore perspective here. I'm going to use "we" to refer to what I believe to be a good chunk of Ravens fans, but I really don't favor them any more than the Pats, and can't speak for all of Baltimore.

Don't be upset with B'more. This was our last real shot at it in the foreseeable future. Ray Lewis is gone, and Ed Reed might be, too. The Pats have a LOT of young talent.

I would love to see Reed as a Patriot. He's my favorite Raven.

We hate Bernard Pollard, too.

We only won (both times this season) because you guys had an off-game and didn't bring it. I was always a little disappointed because I wanted to see the best of both teams going at it. Never felt I got that.

Most of us don't see the Pats as the Evil Empire, and have nothing but great things to say. Now the Steelers, on the other hand...fuck those guys.

Comparing Flacco to Brady is still punishable by loss of any football credentials you had to begin with, as well as a firm laughing-at, and Facebook de-friending if applicable.

Suggs is not the voice of Baltimore. Some teams just have that loudmouth.

Most of you guys have been classy as fuck when I wear my Ravens jersey around campus and around home in Foxboro. But when I'm confronted by an asshole that's holding a grudge, half of me is a little offended, and half of me is embarrassed. I'm one of you, too. Stop giving us a bad name!

I'm sure I speak for a good chunk of Ravens fans when I say good luck next season. We're not "overcoming this adversity" again, so if anyone has to take it from us, we hope it's you.

I cannot stand their loud mouth shit talking mentality and it will only be worse now that they validated it to themselves. Pats players would be crucified if they said half the shit Ravens have. So fuck them, number three on my list of teams that can go fuck themselves right behind the Giants and Jets. Hell they might even pass the Jets this season.

The only one who actually talks shit is Terrell Suggs, and he's just like a big kid on the field who says whatever is on his mind then has to face his big brother (usually Ray Lewis/Harbaugh) to say he's sorry. Other than a few bad backups whose opinions are pretty much irrelevant, who actually talks shit? Flacco, Rice, Reed, Ngata, Harbaugh even, pretty much all the stars are soft spoken and well mannered

I forgot about Cary Williams, to me he's just a backup/secondary corner we don't hear much from, he's only been in the spotlight since Webb has been out. Fair point on him

I'm not really sure what Boldin said that upset you, he's been confident in the team and made several comments about being happy to have tough opponents for a good challenge, but nothing at the expense of the other teams to my knowledge. Pollard is just the incidental Patriot assassin, I don't know what the fuck is going on about it but he's always in the wrong place at the wrong time to manage to injure Patriots, the hits are never meant to be dirty

I see your point, I'd forgotten about Williams and that backup LB no one even knows the name of, but to be fair we have been getting a lot of shit lately, counted out in almost every playoff game even before the postseason started

Every team has an off day. but what we did to Brady in both AFC championships can hardly be called a fluke now can it? You played both times at home.

I agree we don't see you as an evil empire... We see you as a contender that has to be beaten, and is expected to be in the Playoffs. Steelers? Don't make me laugh we hate them with the power of a thousand suns. As do they hate us. As it should be of Rivals. Ona side note most Ravens view you as a Playoff rival now.

Mmmmh... I think the Flacco debate is more valid than ever. Even Skip 'disrespectfull' Bayless said Flacco should be mentioned in the Elite debate.

Suggs is indeed not the voice of Baltimore. T- Sizzle is T-Sizzle. He's one of a kind. But saying he's the worst person to voice anything is really appaling. Torrey Smith got worse brunt from some of the pats fans.

Well there's bad apples and idiots in all fanbases...

Just saying. I expect you to be in the playoffs again next year. Stay classy!

100% Patriots fan stuck in the bowels of Baltimore with the rabid Ravens fans, and feel the need to respond:

Agree. Boldin isn't a sure thing either for staying. I'd be happy to see the Patriots let Welker walk and pick him up.

Reed now has incentive to get one last big contract. That would mean probably NOT the Patriots. He just won his ring, he's no longer playing for that.

Pollard is not a typical Raven. He's been here what... one year, two max? He has maybe one good play a game, usually ending up injuring someone. No, he's not Raven material, he's just passing through on his way to someplace else.

The first championship game the Ravens took it. Period. No excuses from me, they flat out took it and punched the Patriots in the mouth. This time, the Patriots didn't show up. Dropped passes all over the place, throws in the dirt... not typical of the Patriots offense, and had little to do with what the Ravens did on defense. Sorry, but the Patriots didn't play well, more than the Ravens played lights out.

And we hate the Jets the same way. :)

Flacco is still not elite. How many times did receivers have to make the adjustments or impossibly tough catches? Frankly, Jacoby Jones was the MVP of the game given the return and his adjustment on the underthrow for a TD.

T-Sizzle has been T-Fizzle in all playoff games the last two years. Enough said.

But about pollard. It's his second season with us now (the Super bowl season, on a sidenote that feels great to be able to say that :D), but frankly I can't agree. I've seen him play for 2 straight years. Have you seen every single defensive play of the ravens?

About Flacco. Do you know how long we had to watch as our recievers couldn't catch? Flacco is ten times better than anything we previously had and he actually is a good Deep ball passer. Now that we have Boldin, T. Smith for the deep ball and Pitta. flacco can throw in though to reach places where only his reciever can grab it. I'm not saying he is elite. i'm just saying he should be seriously considered in the debate now instead of just... Meh he's top 15 kinda talk. Brady has had decent recievers for most his career, he's also in a more pass oriented scheme... Flacco has had the detriment of bad recievers and a Game manager role. He didn't have to put up those numbers initially... This year that changed, and look where he got us. But either way, Next year and the year after we'll see his colours fully. He's been improving and if he can keep up the last few displays there won't even be any debate.

I take exception to one point you made. Brady went 6 years (and 3 super bowl wins) with no receiver that could be said to be "great" The best probably being Branch, and he was never THAT good, just enough to get by. He had Randy moss for 1 good year (injury then Moss stopped being good for whatever reason take the other 2), and Welker for 5. Gronk and Hernandez for 3 each (Though the argument could be made that its only about 2.5 each because of this years injuries). In the years that he has had them, the Patriots have been 2 of the top 3 scoring offenses EVER. Last year, they lost the Super Bowl by 1 possession with the WORST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE (only reason they were ranked 31st is because the Packers played their 2nd strings against Stafford and the Lions when he had a MONSTER season -5000 + passing yards).

When Flacco can carry his team, he can be elite. I haven't seen him do that. His defense got him the ball a couple extra times. I'll give you that he was VERY clutch this post season, but look at his season as a whole. Flacco was incredibly inconsistent game to game. But Ray Rice and Smith and Bolden bailed him out more often than not. He's probably top 6 or 7 in the league, but I can't call him Elite. To me, even Eli Manning is better than Flacco. So are Brees, Peyton, Brady, and Rodgers by a matter of course. Jury is still out on Griffin, Wilson, and Luck (probably Wilson will be the best of the bunch IMO, because he doesn't take the risks Griffin does so he won't get hurt as often. Flacco is good, great at times, but not consistently great enough to be elite to me.

Have I said he was elite? I said he was knocking on the door. And I also said it's something he'll become or won't in the coming two years. Either way, I'm not denying Brady is great. How could I with the stuff he achieved. But Flacco is hardly ignorable these days. It's a matter of future developments. We'll see, I like Flacco, but i'm not going to jump Elite bandwagon just yet. He's close, but not yet entirely...

Comparing Flacco to Brady is still punishable by loss of any football credentials you had to begin with, as well as a firm laughing-at, and Facebook de-friending if applicable.

This 100%. Whether you hate Brady or just don't care, to even think Flacco is anywhere near as talented as Brady is absolutely ridiculous. If Flacco had actually hit his targets when they were open this postseason instead of over/underthrowing them, he'd honestly have about 3 more TDs. I can think of one or two in the Broncos game, one vs. the Pats, and for sure one more in the SB where his receiver was wide open with nothing but open field, and he missed. He's lucky Jones was able to read & recover on that poorly tossed ball to get a TD off of it.

Calm down, easy on the downvote button... only the very top line (and your quote) of what I said apply to what you said. I was simply stating that while he is much better than what you've had in the past, that alone doesn't make him elite. It wasn't an argument, it was a clarification.

The rest of what I said was to the OP, agreeing with what he said about comparing Brady and Flacco, which people have already begun to do like they're even remotely similar (in playstyle and/or ability, neither of which is true IMO)

If Welker catches the pass in the first drive in Q3 and we don't screw up time management at the end of Q2 the Pats are rolling. Fuck the media narrative about how the Ravens outplayed us. I want to see how Baltimore would have responded to being down 21:7 at Foxboro.

Also, lets take away your main red zone threat and lets see how your team deals with that.

Finally, Brady still stands 2 Rings, a multitude of career milestones and many, many consistent seasons above him. The only thing he might have on Brady soon is a bigger contract which, ironically, might not be the best thing for the Ravens.

Also, lets take away your main red zone threat and lets see how your team deals with that.

Eum... Can I actually say we never really had one until two years ago... Flacco had crappy recievers for most of his inital 3 years... Too many dropped passes.

Brady has been in the league for a lot longer too. Flacco still has ways to go. All I was implying he's knocking on that doorstep of elite. And that can't be denied. Wether he's going through the door or getting it slammed in his face... That's the next two years of play that'll let us know.

I am with you on the latter part about Flacco. He had a great postseasn and can still go either way. However, so far he seems more like a considerably better Eli Manning to me. I haven't seen him commanding the same QB presence as Brady, Peyton or Rodgers.

The difference between fans mouthing off to Torrey Smith and Suggs mouthing off against the Patriots is just that. Fans will always say shit, and it's the players job to remain professional. You can't compare how fans react versus how the players do.

Ravens are a team I will always cheer for, when the Pats aren't playing. Really, I respect the organization so much and I think there are so many players and coaches on that team that deserve that ring. Always look forward to an exciting and challenging game when we play together, and our rivalry has no negativity coming from either side. It's always been respect.

Half of me is a little offended, and half of me is embarrassed by your message. A Ravens/Patriots fan? How convenient for you. Football must be a blast to watch when you have more than one favorite team. Seriously though, don't pretend to relate to any Pats fan today while you are celebrating a super bowl victory. FUCK OFF!!

Or maybe it's due to the aforementioned fact that I've called each of these cities my home for more than ten years. Or the fact that I have one parent living in each city. I'm the same way with the Sox and O's. When is the last time Baltimore won the World Series? I still show support.

Please stop embarrassing the Pats community with your ignorance. You're certainly not helping to give us a good name.