The scale of CM's Ingram is hard to determine exactly because there are quite a number of ways to position the head, causing the antenna to tip up or down at different heights. By taking an average measurements of the 'same scale' sofubi figures, it works out to about 1/46to me.

The best way to confirm is to physically compare the CM's to the WHAM when it comes out.

Alternatively, if anyone has a built a 1/35 MG Ingram, he may do us Patlabor fans a favor by measuring the height(s) to see how Bandai determined their 'official scale'.

This is seriously f*cked up. I just bought the CMs Ingram (and Griffon) and now Wave is releasing an entirely new line? Worse still - it looks like it will have better proportions and the feet/ankle joints will most likely be more poseable! *sigh*

My bitching aside, I'm really anxious to see how these turn out. If Ingram turns out well, I might buy it. Who knows, maybe even Helldiver too.

Well, so far my personal experience with WHAM figures is only the 1/12 Tachi Yellow. It's all-plastic and the paintjob is OK (not great), but I do appreciate the tampo printing. Poseability is also OK, not great because the joints are too loose (needs Revoltech treatment!). The only other insight to WHAM would be the love-it-or-hate-it 1/5000 SDF-1. Superior finishing but IMO lacks 'oomph'. A common thread so far: little or no gimmicks.

I think the least we should expect for a 9800yen Ingram is the extending arm and opening gun compartment...

drifand Wrote:
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> Well, so far my personal experience with WHAM
> figures is only the 1/12 Tachi Yellow. It's
> all-plastic and the paintjob is OK (not great),
> but I do appreciate the tampo printing.
> Poseability is also OK, not great because the
> joints are too loose (needs Revoltech treatment!).
> The only other insight to WHAM would be the
> love-it-or-hate-it 1/5000 SDF-1. Superior
> finishing but IMO lacks 'oomph'. A common thread
> so far: little or no gimmicks.
>
> I think the least we should expect for a 9800yen
> Ingram is the extending arm and opening gun
> compartment...

Just lots of bitchin' on MW about the stiff proportions on the WHAM Ingram... mostly to do with the too-straight outer leg curve, and the iffy head sculpt. At least the Yamato 1/24 has size going for it.

Bitching on Macrossworld? ...bitchin' man... I went back to HLJ and saw the original info from the convention pics. All they say is Summer 2008 which is now. I'm a little surprised that there isn't anything about them in the hobby mags or a preorder up anywhere. I really want to do some CM's/W.H.A.M. mixing and matching.

I'm with you, dude. The WHAM Ingram is a waste of time but I'd definitely spring for the Helldiver especially since 1/48 isn't that far off from the CM's estimated 1/46 or thereabouts. If WAVE are serious about making money, they should just move on from the AV-98 and splash out on everything else CM's didn't do, e.g. the Python, Hannibal etc. The non-diecast WHAM figures like their SAC Tachikomas are basically no-gimmick painted and assembled plastic kits. I'd take those over sofubi if they make 'em.

The Wave one looks like crap. It has too little details. I hate the rubber-coated joints - can't beat the cloth one. I hate the proportions. And it looks too plasticky. It's also not poseable enough - it can't even stand nicely with a decent A-stance. In short - it looks as shitty as the Bandai MG one. The MSIA one is way better than this. I'll most likely get it.

emerson Wrote:
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> How was Wave's Ingram? Any less sloppy/floppy than
> the Patlabor toys CM's has been putting out
> recently?

If you're referring to the recent Brocken and Zero then the Waves are reportedly better, but there's only been one review and it was from Macrosworld, so it's tainted. But the Wave stuff is priced like the Brave Gokin CM's, and those are much nicer, especially when they're currently on sale for 1/2 price.

Frankly all of the Wave stuff in this line looks great but is just overpriced when you look at what the things actually offer. Wave has always catered to the higher end crowd, but they used to have the product to back it up, these are a little too crappy for the price and Wave name.

The Ingram went to clearance pretty fast, mainly due to the CM's just being a better product for the money. This might last a bit longer since there isn't an alternative in this scale outside of 20 year old resin kits, but the Revoltech is a very nice piece at 1/8 price - and there's plenty of other Revoltech Patlabor to complement it.

Seeing as the CM's Ingram is 17.3cm tall to the tip of its big antenna, the WAVE Helldiver would appear a little bit larger at 17cm to the top of its no-antenna head. At over 10,000 yen for no metal, it was probably made in the same reality that spewed the CM's AVS and Mk-II.

I'd recommend the Revoltech line of Patlabor stuff. All well done and they went far enough down the line to get to the Helldiver - which is arguably the best of the lot. You could also pick up the entire line for about the same cost as one of those.

The W.H.A.M. stuff never seemed to catch on, at least with the collectors here, I think I saw one review of the Ingram on MW - but it was ironically light on the specifics.

Yeah, I have the Revy Griffon and Zero. Pretty neat little figs, but a little small. I am actually using their joints on my Yamato T-Rex right now. I really wanted a helldiver for doing battle with my Brave Gohkins but I would like to see a side by side of the two first, I think. I am not quite as crazy as I used to be, regarding what I am willing to spend, so I don't see myself buying this anytime soon. Thanks for the input.

WHAM's seem to be hit or miss. I love the Tachi's and the Uchi, and although a little overpriced, the Armsuits rawk, but the SDF-1 didn't seem to be worth it. It's more about price point for me in this case than overall value.

I got the WHAM Armed Suit during the HLJ sale and liked it enough but paint stiction on the smaller arms caused a major problem: I broke the joints while posing them... it was helluva tough repair job :-/

The Tachis OTOH were surprisingly 'right' for what they were. All that diecast and opening hatches on the other brands' versions are cool, but tThe hollow construction of the WHAMs meant they were light enough to pull off some wacky poses, even sticking them upside down with some putty if you wanted to.