May I suggest you just just drop this lineof discussion about Curve's "attitude" and "style"?You say you're not offended, but you're stillmaking it an issue.

Curve is a regular (as am I) who we all love. Being persistant at trying to change whatis considered "normal" and OK in theseforums (example Curve's and Khan's styles)won't make you any friends here.That's kinda like going into someone'shome for the first time and sayingtheir carpeting sucks.It's just not nice.

If you don't like our carpet...keep quiet and talk about the weather.When you've been around long enoughto know us and for us to know you...you can make a friendly suggestion to changethings. OK?

May I suggest you just just drop this lineof discussion about Curve's "attitude" and "style"?You say you're not offended, but you're stillmaking it an issue.

Curve is a regular (as am I) who we all love. Being persistant at trying to change whatis considered "normal" and OK in theseforums (example Curve's and Khan's styles)won't make you any friends here.That's kinda like going into someone'shome for the first time and sayingtheir carpeting sucks.It's just not nice.

If you don't like our carpet...keep quiet and talk about the weather.When you've been around long enoughto know us and for us to know you...you can make a friendly suggestion to changethings. OK?

Again welcome,Ms. Valky

Ms. Valky,

Having my first post turn into this, was not my intention, but when a person has their words manipulated into vulgarity in reply, it must be pointed out as inappropriate...

It's not nice for me to say "being harrassed without regard to who I am, is wrong?"

Yet someone can post F**K twenty times in a parody of my first post, and that is "nice"?

Offended...? Me...? Hardly...

What's fair is fair...

What's uncalled for, is uncalled for...

I personally don't care whether or not Curve is the forum's champion or has Craig's blessing or not, he crossed the line regardless, and I stand by my position on it...

Normally I catch these types of messages before others do, mention the other thread, then delete the original thread a day or two later. For truly rank spamming, I delete the topic immediately, and send a personal email explaining basic netiquette.

<< And I found it curious that Craig thought it was ok...>>

Uhhhh...where did I say what was okay? I said Curve's sense of humor is a high point of this forum. We've also exchanged private emails in the past where he apologized for getting too worked up about something. In my message I explained to you how the forum works, invited you to jump in, and hoped you got a response in the other thread.

There are a lot of things that go on that I disagree with here. But I am a MODERATOR, not a tyrant. That also means moderating my own beliefs. I wrestle with this a lot because personally, I don't believe obscenities are necessary to get a point across, and using them is an admission of an inability to use language precisely. But if people want to swear here, they can. I'm not so presumptuous as to think that everyone needs to adopt MY moral standards. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" always made a lot of sense to me. And someone judging you doesn't mean you automatically have to judge them.

I think that at this point, you're best off if you stop focusing on any perceived slights, and instead either take advantage of, or contribute to, the vast resources of a lot of experts. That's what this forum is about. If people have problems with other people, go off line and take care of it with email (another important piece of netiquette).

And in the spirit of equal time, let me point out the following...for his second post, Steve wrote:

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A hardcore spammer would never apologize. Here's my take: he thinks his music is cool, he sees a bunch of musicians, he jumps in without doing his homework on how the forum works, he now knows better. So I say, leave him alone, and as for you Steve, we know what you think so don't bother trying to continue to explain it. To ALL concerned, I expect that this message will be the LAST in this thread. Thank you.

Originally posted by Anderton:And in the spirit of equal time, let me point out the following...for his second post, Steve wrote:

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A hardcore spammer would never apologize. Here's my take: he thinks his music is cool, he sees a bunch of musicians, he jumps in without doing his homework on how the forum works, he now knows better. So I say, leave him alone, and as for you Steve, we know what you think so don't bother trying to continue to explain it. To ALL concerned, I expect that this message will be the LAST in this thread. Thank you.

My modification and re-post of your original post was a work of satire, meant to be taken with a sense of humor. The truth is, I never even bothered to listen to your music, so I have no idea if you are the reincarnation of John McGlaughlin or what, Steve.

Also, I must take exception with your exaggerated claims of my use of obscenity. I only utilized the term derived from the acronym of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" three times, not twenty, as you inaccurately claimed; and all three times as a modifier, not as an adjective, or a verb.

Seriously, Steve, if you are going to come here, insulting and criticizing forum regulars ON YOUR VERY FIRST THREAD...at least get your facts straight! That's all we ask. We don't mind your inflammatory exaggerations, your defamating insinuations, or your slanderous and libelous accusations...as long as you have your facts straight, Steve.

My modification and re-post of your original post was a work of satire, meant to be taken with a sense of humor. The truth is, I never even bothered to listen to your music, so I have no idea if you are the reincarnation of John McGlaughlin or what, Steve.

Also, I must take exception with your exaggerated claims of my use of obscenity. I only utilized the term derived from the acronym of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" three times, not twenty, as you inaccurately claimed; and all three times as a modifier, not as an adjective, or a verb.

Seriously, Steve, if you are going to come here, insulting and criticizing forum regulars ON YOUR VERY FIRST THREAD...at least get your facts straight! That's all we ask. We don't mind your inflammatory exaggerations, your defamating insinuations, or your slanderous and libelous accusations...as long as you have your facts straight, Steve.

Thanks!

Mr. Curve Dominant

Right...

I was completely in the wrong... :p

And if you are going to chastize me for holding you accountable for your so-called "humorous" post of and vulgarity and baseless belittling of my music, at least get my NAME right...

It's Scott...

And as far as the "numbers" of actual use of F**K, who cares? once was unacceptable...

I wouldn't dream of attacking someone the way you did, for any reason, even if they were blatantly wrong...

You should re-evaluate your methods Eric...and learn to treat people with some basic respect...

As far as my coming into this forum and calling people on their behavior, I shouldn't have had to...

I posted without malice...and started none of this...

You'll find that I am completely professional, with no time for this kind of crap...

I wanted to set the record straight on my stance towards the unfair treatment, and if I'm not popular as a result, so be it...

I would rather not be popular and for the right reasons, than to act as if what you did was acceptable, just to be "in"...

I think a lot of people had tooooo much eggnog and champagne the last few days and killed a few brain cells in the process!

What a kick-off to the HAPPY…new year...HA!

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Well, I went back and re-read Scott's initial post...and I couldn't find any of the above.

He actually prefaced his so called "self-promotion" by saying <>.

All this shit about him having to "do his homework" on the DOs and DON'Ts of these forums...AWWW COME ON FOLKS...there's always been soooooo much posting freedom here...let's not all become too full of ourselves…like this is some sort of "by-invitation-only-private-club"…what bullshit.

From the first response to his initial post there was this..."Oh oh...you fucked up and now you are going to get it"…theme.

There was no "Hey, welcome to the forums, but in case you didn't know...etc."

Craig...please flush this entire thread and let the guy just start over...now that he's been dragged over the coals.

I think a lot of people had tooooo much eggnog and champagne the last few days and killed a few brain cells in the process!

What a kick-off to the HAPPY…new year...HA!

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Well, I went back and re-read Scott's initial post...and I couldn't find any of the above.

He actually prefaced his so called "self-promotion" by saying <>.

All this shit about him having to "do his homework" on the DOs and DON'Ts of these forums...AWWW COME ON FOLKS...there's always been soooooo much posting freedom here...let's not all become too full of ourselves…like this is some sort of "by-invitation-only-private-club"…what bullshit.

From the first response to his initial post there was this..."Oh oh...you fucked up and now you are going to get it"…theme.

There was no "Hey, welcome to the forums, but in case you didn't know...etc."

Craig...please flush this entire thread and let the guy just start over...now that he's been dragged over the coals.

Thanks miroslav...

I was considering deleting this thread myself, but wanted to be absolutely clear on my position before doing so...

And Scott... I for one am willing to give ya another chance... Perhaps you might consider getting a new screen name for the forums (and not disclose your identity, so nobody will prejduge you based on what happened on this thread), and participate in the discussions here so we can get to know ya. Then you can surprise us after you've gotten 1,000 posts and say, "Remember that Scott guy who started that "first post" thread? That was me"

Overall, we're a friendly bunch (the friendliest and most knowledgeable music forums I've seen), so stick around, go into the Musicplayer.com witness protection program (i.e. get a new screen name ), let this thread go by the wayside, and please participate in the other discussions.

And Scott... I for one am willing to give ya another chance... Perhaps you might consider getting a new screen name for the forums (and not disclose your identity, so nobody will prejduge you based on what happened on this thread), and participate in the discussions here so we can get to know ya. Then you can surprise us after you've gotten 1,000 posts and say, "Remember that Scott guy who started that "first post" thread? That was me"

Overall, we're a friendly bunch (the friendliest and most knowledgeable music forums I've seen), so stick around, go into the Musicplayer.com witness protection program (i.e. get a new screen name ), let this thread go by the wayside, and please participate in the other discussions.

Thanks for the tip!

I will delete this thread later, but will keep my screen name...I did nothing wrong to be ashamed of, or out of malice...I'm not worried about the whole prejudging issue..

Originally posted by popmusic:...you might consider getting a new screen name for the forums (and not disclose your identity, so nobody will prejduge you based on what happened on this thread), and participate in the discussions here so we can get to know ya. Then you can surprise us after you've gotten 1,000 posts and say, "Remember that Scott guy who started that "first post" thread? That was me"...

Hey pop,

I think he should just stick it out...otherwise there would be something else for some members to pick at down the road...know what I mean?