So, if I fight you and take your stuff, it isn't stealing? Is that what your Bible says? Thou shalt not steal, unless you also hurt them to the point they can't stop you? Good to know. What a great Christian you are.

If it is ok to take land that way, is Palestine not justified in trying to get into another war? Then if they take the land back, it is perfectly legit.

How are you so bad at this?

How about we don't take sides, recognize both ends have been mistreated, both have resorted to needless violence, and work on a peace?

Are you so biased in every facet of life that you can't see I'm just stating facts. I knew trying to reason with an idiot was a mistake. I didn't say it was okay, nor did I say it was wrong. There is a difference between stealing and taking. One is by force.

There is some question about the lands ownership. Obviously, that's what the conflict is about. Israel argues that the land is theirs. So they took what is rightfully theirs. To take what is rightfully yours isn't stealing. It's taking. The Palestinians say the land is theirs. They would take it and kill every Jew in the process if they could. Obviously, they don't have the ability to do it.

Enough grammar lessons for today.

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.

Self fulfilled prophecy. Israel murdering innocent people will have everyone turn on them. And now Trump has allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons, so yeah, were all helping to give your biblical ending. You must be so happy.

Obviously, beyond you.

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.

But it is also true that Jehovah gave the Jews much more land which is beyond their current borders.

That is a religious fictional narrative which was penned so as to forge a national religious identity in the attempt to stave off assimilation. It worked.

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In the future there will be a war that will end all wars.

So long as our species exists, there will be wars; whether big or small.

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All nations will turn against Israel, but Jehovah will intervene. Between now and then men have their last opportunity to repent and turn to Jesus Christ for their salvation. Jews and Gentiles alike. It's all in the Bible. Prophecy is being fulfilled as we witness the Middle East conflict. Watch Iran and Russia, and keep your eyes on Jerusalem.

Those "prophecies" were based upon veiled references to Rome under Domitian, was directed at specific groups within a specific time frame, and intentionally cited antiquated Babylonian mysticism to maintain its plausible aura of mystery. Unfortunately none of it came to fruition. But it certainly makes for a great story.

OM

__________________“Honor means that a man is not exceptional; fame, that he is. Fame is something which must be won; honor, only something which must not be lost.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

That is a religious fictional narrative which was penned so as to forge a national religious identity in the attempt to stave off assimilation. It worked.

So long as our species exists, there will be wars; whether big or small.

Those "prophecies" were based upon veiled references to Rome under Domitian, was directed at specific groups within a specific time frame, and intentionally cited antiquated Babylonian mysticism to maintain its plausible aura of mystery. Unfortunately none of it came to fruition. But it certainly makes for a great story.

OM

Bloviation is a style of empty, pompous political speech particularly associated with Ohio due to the term's popularization by United States President Warren G. Harding, who, himself a master of the technique, described it as "the art of speaking for as long as the occasion warrants, and saying nothing".

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.

Bloviation is a style of empty, pompous political speech particularly associated with Ohio due to the term's popularization by United States President Warren G. Harding, who, himself a master of the technique, described it as "the art of speaking for as long as the occasion warrants, and saying nothing".

...except in cases where context is warranted.

OM

__________________“Honor means that a man is not exceptional; fame, that he is. Fame is something which must be won; honor, only something which must not be lost.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

So, if I fight you and take your stuff, it isn't stealing? Is that what your Bible says? Thou shalt not steal, unless you also hurt them to the point they can't stop you? Good to know. What a great Christian you are.

If it is ok to take land that way, is Palestine not justified in trying to get into another war? Then if they take the land back, it is perfectly legit.

How are you so bad at this?

How about we don't take sides, recognize both ends have been mistreated, both have resorted to needless violence, and work on a peace?

different world, different place

we didn't steal land from Indians, we conquered them, same with Mexicans. If they want to try to take it back feel free, Mexico's only shot is emancipation by overpopulation, and the Indians do nothing

if the Palestine wanted peace tomorrow Israel would be at the table discussing it, however the reverse isn't true. Palestine is ruled by Hamas one of the worst terrorist organizations in the world, and have no desire for peace

But you're mistaken and cover yourself with big talk. You have no idea of the spiritual context involved. You are typical of when the scriptures say "knowledge puffeth up". You lost your way years ago.

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.

we didn't steal land from Indians, we conquered them, same with Mexicans. If they want to try to take it back feel free, Mexico's only shot is emancipation by overpopulation, and the Indians do nothing

if the Palestine wanted peace tomorrow Israel would be at the table discussing it, however the reverse isn't true. Palestine is ruled by Hamas one of the worst terrorist organizations in the world, and have no desire for peace

If it's not warm and fuzzy they don't want to hear it. It must "feel good".

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.

Are you so biased in every facet of life that you can't see I'm just stating facts. I knew trying to reason with an idiot was a mistake. I didn't say it was okay, nor did I say it was wrong. There is a difference between stealing and taking. One is by force.

There is some question about the lands ownership. Obviously, that's what the conflict is about. Israel argues that the land is theirs. So they took what is rightfully theirs. To take what is rightfully yours isn't stealing. It's taking. The Palestinians say the land is theirs. They would take it and kill every Jew in the process if they could. Obviously, they don't have the ability to do it.

Enough grammar lessons for today.

How am I a better Christian than you?

God: Though shalt not steal

Me: Dude, I didn't steal it. I beat him half to death and then took it.

But you're mistaken and cover yourself with big talk. You have no idea of the spiritual context involved. You are typical of when the scriptures say "knowledge puffeth up". You lost your way years ago.

The dogma of your ideology would suggest that I am mistaken; but then again, no one is absolutely certain anymore as to the contextual basis of your ideology.

OM

__________________“Honor means that a man is not exceptional; fame, that he is. Fame is something which must be won; honor, only something which must not be lost.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

Me: Dude, I didn't steal it. I beat him half to death and then took it.

God: Oh, ****, dude. My bad. You're fine.

But then you're overlooking that the ideology of Judaism suggests that their God (who they suggest commanded "thou shalt not steal") also told them to kill indigenous inhabitants of sovereign territories, and usurp their lands in "his name".

ETA: None of which happened anyhow; those were just oral tales and legends which grew in scope over the span of a great many generations. There was no mass "Exodus" to speak of.

OM

__________________“Honor means that a man is not exceptional; fame, that he is. Fame is something which must be won; honor, only something which must not be lost.” -Arthur Schopenhauer

The dogma of your ideology would suggest that I am mistaken; but then again, no one is absolutely certain anymore as to the contextual basis of your ideology.

OM

The uncertainty of context lies in the lack of personal experience. Redemption is the difference maker. Those that have been redeemed, know it, and those that haven't, can't have any knowledge of it.

As pertaining to ideology, for Christians, ideology is a person by the Name of Jesus Christ. He is found in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. He is the Living Word of God, Who was made flesh. There couldn't possibly be a better example of "contextual basis."

__________________The truth is that if Israel would lay down their arms there would be no more Israel, and if the Arabs would lay down their arms there would be no more war.