A submission of the “The Church is rotten to the core” argument and its basis.

If indeed the church is rotten to the core then all is lost; unless, of course, the statement is untrue.

(Refer to http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff366.htm by Cliff Kincaid, for the following remarks.)

Vic, I have challenged you in the past regarding your loyalty to
the church, (not your faith). I have yet to see an answer that refutes
my position. The church is rotten to the core. See it for what it is.
The Vatican is complicit in establishing the New World Order i.e. global
slavery. There is just too much evidence for you to ignore. Not your
fault - pray for Jesus to come swiftly. God Bless you.

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Forgive me but my memory fails me here; perhaps age is
catching up with me. They say the first three things to go are your
memory, and I forget the other two. If we conversed via e-mail before I
eliminated the old CONTACT ME website option, all those e-mails are now
gone forever. There were just too many diverse dialogues going on for
me to keep track of. I apologize if I failed to answer something you
sent.

Your main point seems to be that the Church is rotten
to the core, with at least hints at complicity in a grand conspiracy
toward a New World Order. The term New World Order is popular in
several variants of Marxism, popular with many current Democrat
politicians and spokesmen, and even, believe it or not, with some
Islamists. While I tend to reject grand, great conspiracy theories
out-of-hand, I do recognize the general thought pattern involved here,
and the sheep-like trend of many to favor this positive sounding term.

However, let me make two points. First, the Church is
not rotten to the core. Second, she is not deeply involved in any grand
New World Order conspiracy. The fact that many Catholics, including
even prelates, may be confused or wrong-headed or miss-guided on worldly
matters of politics, or any other non-ecclesial issue, does not make
the Church evil, nor does it make her any different than any other
social group. Civil government and politics are subjects outside of the
Depositum Fidei and thus not subject to infallible Church authority.
(See the Papal Infallibility page.)

The Church is called to engage culture, and she does
that. She has every right to speak in public. The Church is very
large, and contains many varied political opinions, as may be expected.
Therefore, we may not expect to find every bishop and every pope well
versed and in perfect agreement with all points in our particular
Constitution, or any other nation’s constitution. Some of them will be
Liberals and some of them will be Conservatives and some of them will be
mushy, lukewarm, go-with-the-flow no-opinion neutrals. Just like the
rest of us.

For the most part, clerics will tend to be more tender hearted than
most of us, and the thought of hunger or want in the world will push
them more toward the “fairness” and “egalitarian” side of the argument,
making them ripe for variants of Marxism. But – remember this – they
are Churchmen; they govern ecclesial matters, not civil ones. They only offer opinions on matters of civil government. Their opinions are worthy of respectful consideration.

I took issue with Benedict XVI in the Papal Global Economics page over his encyclical that seemed to me to be encouraging even more Obamunism than we have already experienced.

I would have to say the same thing about the John XXIII
encyclical mentioned in your reference link article. If you read it,
farther down, after the favorable treatment of the “right” of health
care, he speaks of the right to private property, which may be argued to
be at the root of all other rights, short of the right to life itself.
Thus, the encyclical contains two principles so contradictory as to be
irreconcilable.

Rights and Responsibilities come in
paired sets. If someone has an automatic right to something, then
someone else has a responsibility to satisfy that right. Thus, if I
have an absolute right to health care, then some physician has an
absolute responsibility to treat me, for free. His ability to provide
health care is his property, earned and acquired by him, for him. But,
if I have a right to it, then it is my property, regardless of
how hard he worked and whatever else it may have cost him to acquire it.
It is mine. There goes the right to private property.

And if the state takes from someone simply to give to
someone else, that is essentially the same thing. It is most certainly
not charity. It is stealing. Good intentions do not change the nature
of it; it is still stealing.

But these are merely opinions expressed about worldly
politics, by people who do not participate in the game, except as lowly
citizens, voters and tax payers. On such topics, we all argue as
equals.

I have argued with professors, both lay and clerical,
in Catholic teaching institutions about their “official” pro-sodomy and
pro-priestess teaching, presented under the authority of an archbishop;
see the various Cafeteria Catholic pages. When I know I am right,
standing on Scripture and the Catechism, I will argue with anyone, short
of the pope, even on matters of faith and morals.

When the topic is bow hunting, or turkey calling, or NASCAR, or musky
fishing, or how to change the plugs in my wife’s car, or American
politics, I will argue as an equal or even a superior to any cleric.
When the topic changes to faith and morals, I will tone it down
considerably. And when a pope speaks as teacher on faith and morals, I
will shut my mouth and listen. I may even take a knee.

But that’s not what I saw in these particular encyclicals.

I hope I’ve responded adequately; I always enjoy a
reasoned argument with an anti-Catholic. What is your religion, and how
does it compare to Catholicism? What is Cliff Kincaid’s religion, and
how does it compare to Catholicism?

May the Lord bless and keep you; with kind regards,

Vic

Date: Sun Nov 15 03:59:03 2009
From: Thomas
Email: Location: Comment:

Vic,

How about the bishops just negotiating with Pelosi to get the
pro-abortion language out of the health care bill just to get it passed
in the House? The bishops are clearly in favor of this bill, which
stands to nearly demolish the American economy and with it American
liberty as we all recognize it. They love and push for the so called
“human right” to universal health care.

Thomas

Date: Sun Nov 15 06:27:55 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Thomas:

Right you are.

However, the bishops are Americans too. They are (and
they have every right to be) just as economically ignorant and just as
politically stupid as any other Leftist silly utopian idealists. They
are (probably) almost universally pro-union, too. They probably favor
most Democrat Party ideals. Some of them probably favor the homosexual agenda.

Some very few of them may be involved in political
collusion with Marxocrats, just as some few of them may be involved in
some form of scandalous activity. But until I see some real evidence, I
do not believe they are all involved in any grand conspiracy toward any
political New World Order. Nor do I yet believe the Church has failed
in her mission.

We have it on the very best authority that she will not fail, and that the very gates of hell will not prevail against her.

Regards,

Vic

Date: Sun Nov 15 10:11:52 2009
From: Thomas
Email: Location: Comment:

Vic,

It goes a whole lot deeper than that; look at how our bishops have
misused our donations to CCHD for purely political purposes to support
Obama and his whole agenda. Why should we donate to ACORN and similar
groups? How can you say the whole church is not involved in this?

Thomas

Date: Sun Nov 15 12:11:44 2009
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Thomas:

Apparently this is still a hot topic. I just spoke
briefly about it to our guest priest in the sacristy just before Mass
this morning, and to another parishioner later. And yesterday, while
demonstrating outside another Planned Parenthood book sale, we spoke
about it with some fellow demonstrators.

The American bishops – even a majority of
American bishops – do not represent the whole of “The Church.” See what
I wrote about their previous political actions in the 2008 Political Crisis
page; there we saw that they even involved themselves in Saul Alinsky
funded organizations, showing themselves to be either Marxists or dupes
of Marxists.

Again, these are just a pack of American bishops, and I
have taken issue with American bishops in other areas too, as you can
see in the various Cafeteria Catholic pages and several other pages. We
no longer give to CCHD, and we do not intend to resume giving until we
see hard evidence of a renouncing and turning from this Marxist
direction. We suggest that you do the same, and write to your bishop to
show your displeasure.

Let me tell you about my families setting me up for an exorcism
and her need for money through political, and religious pandering
concerning sex.

I remember living behind a church were Brian Lamb, and a bunch of
these Cspan guys used too have a wood shop. At that place of residence
my mom thought I needed an exorcist, after playing in the mud the way
very young children will sometimes with my uncle who mixed a glass of
this red clay in water and told me it was chocolate milk.

After drinking it as he would force me to do thing all the time
like the time he made me cut off the limb I was sitting on and the
device came out of my shoulder being more powerful and in control I
broke out with ring worm all over my body and my mom told me it was
writing that could not be understood so she had priests come in from the
church.

I guess my Dad did not know that one of the people at the church
was in line for being my new dad but that was not in the cards because I
guess he felt I was in need of discipline after an accident in the wood
shop. I had been check out on the band saw by my grandfather who was a
millwright in Arkansas and to do some jobs the blade shield had to be
removed. Some kids came in and wanted to use the saw, then got mad that I
wanted to warn them to put the guard on and they told me they owned it
all and I was not to tell them anything, and after this head strong kid
cut his thumb off the other kids said they would tell their fathers it
was all my fault, but it was not.

I had a fever of well over a hundred and I was a bloody mess with
the infection. The priests came in with outer guys and one had a
camera. The priests would throw me across the room well the other
snapped a picture. I would fall on furniture and the floor and they
would tell me get on the bed, don't get off the bed very loud and when I
would crawl back on the bed they would pick me up and throw me over and
over again well the other priest would snap another picture and this
went on till one guy said we have enough picture and they left me in the
blood, mud, and bedding, then my aunt came in with some save that was
for ring worm.

She spread the save and kidded me about dying when the rings got
to my heart. After getting well I went back to the wood shop and the
guys had made me a special shield and gave me my sword which were both
made of wood and I had to fight one of the guys in my shorts because I
did not want to remove them and the other guy was naked (he know who he
is). I was still not up too speed and lost the battle. They then called
me the bad guy and this group was supposed to be my gate keeper or
something like that appointed by the priests. My Dad did not like them
much also but that did not matter much because someone at the church was
going to be my new dad till he said no, my mom cried allot, my dad was
gone, I healed up, but I still have a case.

Please know that there is nothing any of you can do to make what
you and the rest of the ones involved can do to make this my fault. See
at the time I was about seven years old. Since then the church has made
an effort to kill me, to the extent of trying to pass laws to kill sex
offenders.

Come on, keep it up, keep pushing laws that you as a group of
very said individuals know have no value. Take me too court so I can own
a network. I have met with your staff members in private since along
with military personal and others.

Now lets note when this happened I was only a small child being
thrown around a room like a rag doll by people that started all this
clear back in the late fifty's and the steering by very bad people that
think abusing kids to make laws to stop abuse, Ha! these laws are bogus
and the fact that they can not kill gays anymore does not justify the
use of laws too kill someone set up by them to create some worthless set
of laws by a fusion of church and state is wrong and realty designed by
them to harm us all.

My case was pragmatic but more than that I know what was done and
who was involved making vendetta laws that really have no bases in
truth, and are based in lies.

Keith Richard Radford Jr

PSS don't be cowards, let me know you received this e-mail through a response.

It's time to communicate
richard.radford@att.net

Date: Thu Feb 24 06:15:05 2011
From: Vic Biorseth
Comment:

Richard:

I am very sorry, but I don’t have the foggiest notion of how to
respond to your submission, other than to pray for you. Perhaps someone
else out there can help you.

I think the common error is to attribute to "The Church" what some of
her priests, bishops, cardinals, papal councils, do in her name. The
recent news headlines "Vatican Calls for Global Financial Authority"
proves this point. There does seem to be similar occurrence at the
Vatican as you, Vic, highlight to be the case with free wheeling US
committees, offices, departments ... where there seems to be lack of
oversight. Even though the above incident was followed up with
correction that it didn't have Papal Authority and is just the idea of
the particular council we would be blind to believe others like them
have never been successful in steering the Church in a particular
direction. No The Church is not rotten however some of her "highest"
members are; we don't abandon the Ark of Salvation - we toss the
dissenters in the brig.

FYI Keith Richard Radford Jr.'s statement shows strong signs of
deception. Note how he switches into present or future tense when
retelling what "happened" to him. We learn at a young age to choose verb
tense and pronoun use in microseconds. Richard leaks out that he is
making up much of his statements when he switches pronouns, uses present
tense where we would expect past tense, and leaves himself out of
sentences by failing to speak first person singular. Likely there were
some priests who befriended his mom, marital troubles and the incident
with the kids in the wood shop, mom may have had some obsession with
exorcism. What he says about the priest feigning exorcism is imagined.

(Note, for anyone interested in this dialogue - see the newer Lucifer and the CCHD page, which shows some rather damning evidences against some of our higher-ups in the American Catholic heirarchy.)

Date: Sun Nov 16 2014From: Vic BiorsethComment:

Changes pursuant to changing the website URL
and name from
Thinking Catholic Strategic
Center to
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Pulled the trigger on the 301 MOVE IT option
June 1, 2014. Working my way through all the webpages. .

Regards,

Vic

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