<quoted text>Why would I waste the time with a deliberate and continual liar?You can't even be honest about accusing me of troll behavior because I exposed a gay troll.You live a lie, and you demand others join your deceit.

Oh, I imagine a pastor would jump at the chance to meet with a "reprobate". Isn't that what you do? Aren't you supposed to be out saving souls and whatnot?

My guess, again, is that you won't face someone who is real. You'll only deal with this issue (as you do with most things) in the abstract.

You're not interested in reality.

I'll pay your gas to and from Knoxville (if you're still in Greeneville) to come to a gay men's discussion group, where you can address all of us in one room. We'd only be too happy to meet with you and hear your side.

What do scum like the GOP, RNC, Tea Party REPUBLICANS ALL HAVE IN COMMON?*There do nothings, the whole bunch of them!Obama says D.C. has taken its eye off the ball, blaming GOP for gridlock in government.They are Oh so good at dragging their 5 year old mentality feet, too.*There a bunch of NO SHOWS.

What do scum like the GOP, RNC, Tea Party REPUBLICANS ALL HAVE IN COMMON? There do nothings, the whole bunch of them!Obama says D.C. has taken its eye off the ball, blaming GOP for gridlock in government.They are Oh so good at dragging their 5 year old mentality feet, too. There a bunch of NO SHOWS.

<quoted text>Donít worry, as long as no one mentions procreation as any even a distantly related reason to not allow same sex couples to marry.I wonít bring it up againHowever if anyone mentions the ability to have children in any way at all as an argument to not allow same sex couples to marry, as you did, I will be happy to correct them

I did not use children as an argument against marriage equality. You lie.

<quoted text>I second that. We both know and understand no such thing. Procreation is closely associated with marriage. It is one of the main reasons the government supports marriage and gives benefits to marriage..

Here you go, as you have obviously forgotten again

Procreation has not now nor ever been a basis for allowing marriage in this country.

<quoted text>You mean like when marriage defined the wife as property of the husband?

No, just husband and wife

Like that "distinct" relationship?! I love when fundies try and rewrite history in order to justify their agendas!!!

Or when the Glibtees try and rewrite history in order to justify their agendas!!!

Courts dont' recognize your manufactured and ridiculous "essence of marriage". Courts are only interested in the law. And the courts find no compelling reason to continue to discriminate against gay people. Sucks for you.

Gay people can marry, enter into a legally recognized union of husband and wife, valid in all fifty states, just like anyone else.

You've pointed out ONE distinction. That gay people won't be capable of producing a child without outside assistance. That distinction is completely irrelevant to the states, since marriage has no procreation requirement.The fact that you are completely unable to grasp this reality isn't our problem, it's yours child.

Why would there need to be a "procreation requirement"? Is there a sex requirement? The law presumes a married couple will engage in "marital relations", aka sexual intercourse. Which of course leads to conception.

There is absolutely nothing in your nonsense that terrifies us. You are completely insignificant. Your refusal to acknowledge our marriages means diddly squat, because you are nothing more than a pimple on the face of humanity.

And you are a clown on that pimple.

10 years ago there were no states that would recognize our marriages. Today there are 13 states, the Disctrict of Columbia, and 17 foreign countries that recognize our marriages as the same as yours.

That's not quite accurate. Even the UK had to acknowledge the differences regarding consummation and SSM.

And those numbers will continue to grow, very quickly. The state bans will very soon be overturned as unconstitutional (watch Pennsylvania very close in the coming months sweetiepie!!!). The only one terrified....is you!!!!

Only time will tell.

The states, and the federal government will NEVER recognize your made up essences, your imaginary link to humanities existence and future, or your mutual sterility!!!! Ha ha ha ha haha ha!!!! Stupid KiMare!!!

<quoted text>Why would there need to be a "procreation requirement"? Is there a sex requirement? The law presumes a married couple will engage in "marital relations", aka sexual intercourse. Which of course leads to conception..

In this day and age that is of course a choice. I do agree however that there should be no procreation requirement, as there are millions of happily married couples that either do not have the ability, or the desire to have children. And we count no less of their marriages than anyone elseís.

<quoted text>In this day and age that is of course a choice. I do agree however that there should be no procreation requirement, as there are millions of happily married couples that either do not have the ability, or the desire to have children. And we count no less of their marriages than anyone elseís.

<quoted text>You just implied that was the case, I am happy to correct you.Procreation has no place in a discussion about the legal right to marry

No, the whole reason for this argument is to correct you. No one said procreation is a requirement for marriage.

Yet you insist someone did. I have said (and I stand by it) that procreation is closely related to marriage and why argue otherwise? Any freshman sociology student knows that. And it's one of the reasons the government gives perks to marriage. Why argue otherwise? What is the goal of your spin? Of course procreation is associated with marriage. Of course it's never been a REQUIREMENT.

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