Could a PS4 and PlayStation TV bundle take out Xbox One and Apple TV at the same time?

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The PS4 has sold very well so far, but Sony needs to do something to keep consumer interest strong until more AAA exclusive titles hit store shelves. It’s too early for a price drop, so hardware bundles make the most sense right now. A recent rumor has the PS4 and PlayStation TV bundled together in the UK, and this could be a sign of a number of meaningful bundles coming this year — in the UK, as well as the US and other territories.

During E3 2014, Sony’s Fergal Gara publicly shared that the PlayStation UK team might bundle the PlayStation TV with the PS4 for the British market. No promises were made, but the possibility is titillating nonetheless. Combine that potential bundle with the PS4 and PS Vita bundle we saw a few weeks back, and the story starts to get interesting. Apparently, Sony is willing to play around with different SKUs to compete with Microsoft’s addition of the $400 Kinectless Xbox One, and consumers can only benefit from these retail dealings.

Of course, the biggest benefit of a PS4 and PlayStation TV combo is the Remote Play and PlayStation Now game streaming possibilities. Sure, the PSTV has the ability to play Vita games, but that’s small potatoes compared to the other functionality in that tiny box. You can easily play your entire PS4 library over the network, and a number of PS3 titles will be added when PS Now launches publicly in July. On top of all of that, it will hopefully serve as a respectable Netflix streaming box as well.

It’s not exactly pushing the envelope in terms of video streaming, but it’s a lot more compelling to the gaming crowd than something like the Amazon Fire TV or the Apple TV. Streaming-only Steam Machines are certainly a possibility, but we won’t see any of those until 2015 at the earliest. As it stands, the PSTV is a really compelling $100 set-top box, and it’s even better when bundled alongside the PS4.

If Sony can put out two or three outstanding bundles in time for the holiday shopping season, the sales gap between the PS4 and Xbox One could grow even larger. Think about the possibility of a $500 bundle that includes a PS4, a PSTV, and a game. Maybe a $450 PlayStation Camera bundle, or even that rumored $560 Vita bundle could convince PS3 and Xbox 360 owners to invest in the next generation. Whichever bundles Sony actually ships, Microsoft just better be prepared to offer a lot more than just a Kinect-free SKU this Christmas.

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I forgot his name, but someone on a previous article mentioned that it was only limited to 720p quality streaming which I wasn’t aware of. That’s definitely an unsightly blemish on it’s feature list.

Anyhow, unless Sony had already anticipated this and made the Vita’s hardware enabled to be improved/scaled for additional performance for at least 1080p FHD streaming, it’ll probably limit itself to just the gaming audience that also watch a few shows here and there.

I don’t know if Apple’s initiatives like Metal API, Swift etc. are more aggressive or defensive in nature, but things like Infinity Blade came out for chips made generations ago now. Well made games made on Apple’s latest chips are bound to start hovering around PS3 quality soon enough. Maybe even higher on an AppleTV due to additional thermal headroom for higher clocks?

Sony might have to make a revised PSTV with additional hardware and software tweaks exclusively for the TV box unit to beef it up for media consumption. The Vita game resolution being at exactly 1/4 a 1080p screen makes scaling up look nice n’ pretty too.

I’m not worried about Microsoft either. Even Samsung said they’re investing heavily in software — and with their top-tier hardware specialists, experience, and portfolio, I’m sure they’ll make some moves soon too. The only one that seems to be unclear to me is Google. They’ve made it clear that hardware is not a part of their game plan, eg. Motorola Mobility. They’ve made some rather seemingly weak attempts like Play Games too…

Mirimon

you are right in several areas, the current PSTV only does 720p., also, it only outputs 2ch audio… Which I do find odd for device that released only last year to have such low quality output. It might be cute from some extra tv’s sitting around the house, in guest rooms, but this IS a different demographic than found in Japan.
AppleTV on the other hand, does at least 5.1 Dolby, and 1080p…. but then again, it’s been out and revised for almost a decade….

I think Sony’s approach here wasn’t streaming full content to a full reception source, but to stream full content to a downscaled point, just like the Vita, and then integrate that same tech into a tv, without the vita itself. IMO, an HD revision could easily fix this and still be done in a device the size of one’s palm. Digital distribution and demand is finally really taking a foothold in the states, and I see that this might be the next area of the market to compete in. The cable companies of course will apply this as well, or face extinction.

It’s better than 720p, and provided your TV has a decent de-interlace mode, most people won’t notice a huge difference.

Compression of the video signal for the network is probably going to be more noticeable than the interlacing, truth be told.

chojin999

1080i it’s not 1920*540. It’s still 1920*1080. Don’t mix up temporal and spatial resolution that way. It’s wrong.
The temporal resolution due to interlacing it’s cut to an half and de-interlacing can allow a good but never perfect reconstruction with various algorithms.
But the spatial resolution it’s still the same as it was progressive. It doesn’t change, it’s not cut to an half.

http://grantbrunner.com Grant Brunner

I’m well aware of how interlacing works.

It’s much easier to explain quality differences when you think of it as 540 instead of 1080. “Each frame only gets 540 lines of new information resulting in an image equivalent to 1920×540 being rendered/transmitted.” That’s easy to explain to the public. That’s my job.

It’s obvious by the name “Interlaced” that the information from the new frame and the old frame are then woven together to make 1080 lines.

It’s not important that a general consumer know every specific detail about how something works — it’s much better to give an overall understanding of the concept. If they want more nitty gritty, they can go read an encyclopedia.

chojin999

Nonsense. You claim that is your job here to justify when you are wrong reading wikipedia ?
You just repeated the wrong info on wikipedia .. that is how someone wrote the article explaining 1080i resolution there, which is wrong.
If that was your job then you would deserve to be fired.
But I think that you are just a kid or a university student reading and trusting wikipedia too much…

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Mirimon

sorry, but in every case I can even fabricate, let alone reality, that is not true.
make it easier for people by simply stating the fact
1080p>720p>1080i>720i…..

Legz

honestly, the only difference between 720p & 1080p is the pixel resolution (density) so you will only notice it side by side with 1080p. other than that, its still way better than the old 480I that you get on your box telly, and even then we didnt worry about how sharp the picture is.

But all in, it would cost alot more hardware stress to output at 1080p than a relitve 720p.

Maybe in the future they will bring out a 1080p model for a higher price, or they are probably revisiting thier ps4 to ps vita downscale to flip it around and introduce 4k to the scene, but then you would probably need to download additional higher res textures for each game which will probabiy be a pain (unless it does it automatically) but then they would need to add a hdd to the unit to store the textures ect..

720p is still a really good resolution, with alot of games on the ps3 native to that resolution. There is no big difference between them seriously, with all the new shaders and filters, they could make the 2 resolutions nearly identical.

One final note :) 720p and 1080i are only fractionally different (have a google) and you will notice that with the shaders (on ps4) you have antistropic filtering and anti-aliasing, just like in pc’s, where it improves the image quality and can do dramatically depending on the hardware. also 720p sends 720 pixels every 60th of a second whereas 1080i only sends 540 lines (or half the detail) every 60th of a second, with all the detail sent every 30th of a second. On the surface, 1080i produces more detail than 720p, but since the increased detail is only sent every 1/30th of a second, rather than 1/60 of a second, fast moving objects, will exhibit slight interlacing artifacts – which can appear to look like jagged edges or a very slight blurred effect.

Dont dis the 720p ^^

Mike

Just ask any Xbox One owner. Resolution doesn’t matter. 720P is just as good as 1080P!

chojin999

No. It’s not. 720p it’s less than half the number of pixels of 1080p.

Markus Creech

I’d argue that it depends on the size of your tv. Yes, 1080 is obviously more, but with smaller tv’s, you aren’t going to be able to tell at “normal” viewing distance.

Mirimon

exactly.. many consumers do not know that proper viewing distance is related ratio to the size and resolution of the display…

Mike

I realize that. It was sarcasm

Phobos

Unless you have them side by side, otherwise its not the end of the world.

Mike

If it is used for PS3 and older games it won’t matter because they aren’t 1080P anyway, I would think. My worry is using it as a remote PS4 location. How will that work if it’s not full HD

Mirimon

actually… there are MANY ps3 titles that are 1080p, and a good handful with 3d (fewer still developed for 3d though, rather than virtualized).

as far as playing ps4 content, it will literally function the same way the vita does, by downscaling.. while the vita is higher than 720p, it’s not quite 1080p. Downscaling is fairly easy to do, all they are doing here is downscaling the image, while supplying it to a standard sized monitor ratios.

Mike

I have a few 1080p ps3 games on my shelf, last of us was only 720p and looked amazing. I don’t really worry about it because my TV upscales and makes everything, even SD movies on VUDU, look ridiculously nice. If anyone can ever get a high end Tv, do it, makes a huge difference. I have a UN65F9000 and it’s amazing, bedroom TV is a UN46D7000 and it’s incredible for being a few years old.

Mirimon

here’s where things get tricky.. if you have multiple devices with scaling and effects integrated into them, such as, the player of the source, the av receiver, and the tv…. these can sometimes cause serious artifacting issues, many common people would likely simply turn everything on high, or not change any settings from factory, and either wonder why their images don’t look as good as they thought, or simply get used to inferior displays of feed.

Those are nice sets in their own right, the 9000 series have done particularly well as a combination of acceptable imagery for low cost. Especially when compared to my XBR84X900’s… while showing the best picture quality, are priced far too high. (btw, thanks to Sony for the demo sets). I have only sold 4 of them (with the added bonus of a free ps4/xb1 with purchase and free delivery, install, and calibration (many people do not properly calibrate their displays… ugh.. if you gonna spend the money on a nice set, make it look right……)).

have you got ps+, play uncharted 3 in 3d, was done very well….. those enemy snipers make you feel like the laser is literally on your forehead….

Mike

I get a lot of artifacting with my ps3, not sure why but haven’t worried much about it. I played uncharted 3 on my 46″ in 3D, it was awesome. Haven’t tried it on the bigger TV yet. My favorite is turning on 2D-3D and playing skyrim. That game is awesome in 3D and the conversion works really well.

Mike

I have my displays calibrated, seemed weird at first with it being darker than I was used to. Now when I see people with dynamic contrast turned on I go nuts

Justin Schroeder

Dynamic contrast is almost always the first thing i turn off….

Mike

I adjust my tvs depending on time of day and what is on it all the time.

Mike

I am going to get a high end Sony for my basement when it’s done. I’ve always wanted one

Mirimon

ah, if you lived in my area I might have helped, my store build “man-caves”, Rooms specific to the desires of the customer. Theaters with stadium style seating? bowling lanes? do it all. Our gaming and theater installments usually feature creating a media cabinet that is not noticeable and looks as though it was built into the home, complete with filtering, dampening, and cooling. (also, much easier to do if contracted during the build of a home, and less expensive).

Mike

That would be an awesome job. I’m an electrician. I did just run an hdmi cable from my living room to my bedroom, powered splitter and boom, ps4 in my bedroom without moving it

OBG

So you work for Sony huh?

Mirimon

lol.. no.. I own my business tyvm. They (and other companies) do send me demo units and test products.. but that doesn’t convince me to isolate my store by choosing brands. I stock my shelves with what ever works and sells. On the floor, each product has it’s own display, calibrated with it’s own signal source rather than splitting and degrading like most stores, to compare, side by side. I inform the customers, and they get to pick with their own senses rather than some jargon or sales pitches, or flashy advert logos. It’s the reason my store has been around for 31 years, forces others like Best Buy and Gamestop to relocate, and covers 9 cities and towns to include the nearby military installation.

what has any of that got to do with Sony? If the best product was MSFT, samsung, harmon kardon, then those would be the best products…. I give the customers no bs about it, they see, feel, and hear the difference, and can compare, objectively, performance vs price. (my display tests btw are blind tests, the customer has no way of knowing when they pick which they thought was better by the brand name at all. Many are surprised when what they picked is not a brand they usually favor.)

bigevilworldwide

It’s not going to function in the same way that the Vita does….God damn people hurt my brain, IT IS A VITA….A VITA without a screen, your using your television as the screen…That is the exact precise, FACTUAL definition of the PlayStation TV, ITS A VITA….Why the hell are people having problems grasping this FACT……It’s not some new device, It’s not an OUYA, Roku, AppleTV, FireTv….IT’S A VITA

Mirimon

IDK what their issue is with understanding that.. likely this is the reason they are trying to compare it to something silly like a pc or an xbox one….

fred

wrong. ps vita currently does it at 960p remote play (which is stil more then xbox one , clever little thing ;)

Josh101

I can’t wait until the PSV T.V. is released in the states. I honestly think it will complete the next gen experience. No other device will be that handy when it comes to gaming. It streams PS4 gameplay and plays PS Vita carts. Instantly useful to someone like myself. I can let the kids play Rayman Origins/Legends on the t.v. without having to buy an actual console. It would be extremely useful in that regard. I just feel bad for my GF. It seems like Sony is making it soo you can have the ability to play your PS4 no matter what, since I can remote-play on my PS Vita.

bigevilworldwide

It does NOT stream PS4 games…Because it IS A PS Vita you can use the remote play feature IF the game supports it…..PS Now does not and is not going to offer PS4 games….

Again It plays Vita games BECAUSE IT IS A VITA….Your using your television as the Vita screen…..I sincerely wish people would quit pretending in their mind that the PSTV is anything more than a Vita with no screen…….Please feel free to go youtube VitaTV, and watch the videos showing IT’S a VITA, NOT LIKE A VITA, NOT VITA COMPATIBLE, BUT A VITA

Justin Schroeder

Actually all PS4 game support remote play, unless they require the PS eye.

Josh101

Yeah. I can remote play all my games on my Vita. You can remote-play PS4 games with this, just like remote-playing with a Vita. Only this acts like an extender and only works on the same in-home network..

Josh101

Apparently you have no idea what you are talking about. http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-playstation-vita-tv/
You can stream your PS4 to your PS Vita in the same in-home network. Sheesh. Use it as a Vita console to your t.v., where you can play Vita games on it. Took 5 seconds to type into google and find a result.

Slyfox

Why are they investing in this…poor decision. Too much competition…almost as dumb as the stupid pay to play thing for last gen games ? Why are they investing in these ?. I have been dissapointed with my Ps4 to say the least. Be nice to actually have sone great exclusives like xbox one. Trade in time is comng soon..when i have the cash.

Andy Stephenson

Haha that comment was so bad it made me cringe.. Name one good Xbox game so us pc gamers and ps4 gamers can laugh at you.. And don’t say Titanfall.. That game is so bad,, now destiny, that’s a fps I can play. Now to the point.. This is way way better than the Xbox one original programming poo because I will simpy work in every country it come out in.. Unlike te xbox one where every thing wrks in one country it was released in.. It will be 5 years before MS recover from that DRM scandal.. So yeah hold on tight.. Also ps exclusives will always be boss.. Always have! MS don’t have a fraction of the exclusive devs that Sony does

Kingbf

Sure pony boy ill hold tight onto the better games i already have with more coming. Titanfall is fantastic…if its so bad tell your pony sites to stop writing articles about how titanfall 2 is rumored to be mutiplat….still writing about it…move on. Forza…dead rising 3….plants vs zombies…ryse – all better than anything ps4 launched with. You hold on tight to knack and those prayers that you can stay out of bankruptcy for a few more years. We will have the next batch of beauties…forza horizon 2, sunset overdrive, scalebound and Halo before you get your 1st questionable exclusive…comical !

Andy Stephenson

Wow didn’t realise I would go bankrupt if Sony did. How did I allow my assets to become so tied in damn it! Why god! Haha I’m not too worried mate

Josh101

Forza with it’s SEVERELY downgraded graphics? Dead Rising 3 with it’s AMAZING drops to 15 FPS? Plants Vs. Zombies, which is coming to PS4? Titanfall Scalebound and Sunset Overdrive, simple money-hatted exclusives because Microsoft doesn’t have the first party studios to make their own games? Impressive./s

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

You_Are_Flat_Out_Peasant

Look at all those games that simply run better on PC at 1080P 60FPS

PC is the master race.

overman1

please shut up…

You_Are_Flat_Out_Peasant

Not while PC is the glorious master race.

Its OK. Didn’t you say 900P was fine last month? You will live.

Justin Schroeder

Sorry but nothing you just said makes sense. If i could get an apple TV that plays all of my itunes stuff plus netflix and such for $100, or a Vita TV that does EVERYTHING an Apple TV does plus plays games from my PS4 in my bedroom, and lets me play PSNow all for $100 which would I buy? PSNow btw is simply a rental service, but then again why would anyone rent a movie that didn’t come out last year, I mean fucking idiots right? BTW do you even know what exclusive means? Microsoft has essentially 4 exclusive franchises worth anything, Forza, Gears, Fable, and Halo. Most of which have bounced from studio to studio for development. Who’s made all of the console God of wars, Uncharteds, little big planets, killzones, infamous’, the list goes on and on and on.

Kingbf

And i love em all…dont forget crackdown liitle pony..and sunset overdrive and scalebound and all the rest that will develop into masterpieces with that beautiful resource called $ that microsoft will pump into them….because they have the $ pony boy…unlike sony !

Justin Schroeder

Sorry but does Microsoft own any of the devs that you just talked about? Didn’t think so, start paying attention or shut the fuck up.

Kingbf

Dont be angry little pony…an exclusive is an exclusive and i would bet that if a few of these are as fantastic as i expect they will be….microsoft will own them because they have $ pony boy…because they are a great company. How are sony’s in house exclusives coming along little pony…??? Where are they…wouldnt expect too much as the studios are decimated from turnover as they all see the coming bankruptcy.

Justin Schroeder

Wow well I’m really glad that you have elevated yourself above name calling at this point. Sorry but an exclusive doesn’t particularly matter if they aren’t making any of the money and the publisher is. Which is why you’ll almost never see an Activision or EA exclusive. BTW Microsoft will never buy Insomniac because they would never be sold. So it doesn’t matter if its a huge hit Micosoft with all the money you say they have wont be able to buy it. Where are Sony’s in house exclusives? Was your head that far buried in the sand that you didn’t hear about or see any of the trailers from E3? BTW Sony is no where near bankruptcy, and even if they were they would spin of SCE before they did.

Josh101

Absolutely true. Sony has somewhere around 18billion in cash. They aren’t going anywhere.

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

Rodge dodge charger

I see you on every comment board on gaming sites sucking Sony Dick.spewing the same Googled info everytime. Get some new info. That fact that people bought the xbox1 shows people want it. I’m so passed your dad didn’t blow the load you were in your mom’s ass.

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

Greg

I agree that Xbox has better exclusives. In particular, Halo. I’m a FPS gamer and I love Halo, Battlefield, and I’m very excited about Destiny. Since Halo is exclusive to Xbox, I’d say that makes it better than Playstation since they still don’t have an exclusive FPS that can rival Halo. They try with Killzone, but it’s still not nearly as awesome as Halo. They keep looking for that “Halo killer” exclusive they can bring to Playstation but they still have nothing that can get the job done. With each new Halo game, it just gets even better than the previous installments, always finding ways to outdo itself yet again. Good luck, Sony.

Andy Stephenson

So in your opinion you think halo is better than last of us? Or uncharted? Well that’s just embarrassing for you. I’m not much a fan or recycled fps anyway but I’m pretty sure that the last of us had higher marks in every review pretty much than any Xbox exclusive ever so you point is redundant.. Sure if you want a weaker console with features that won’t work unless you live in the us feel free to get the bone

Paddy

Most people living in the US will continue living in the US, so your point is questionable. Also, Greg likes Halo, so your point just comes across as you being someone who likes to push your opinion down on everyone. I mean, I know you’re so elite for your preferences and all and everyone should bow to you, but let’s not insult the people who are less than you lol. The fact that you tell people which games they should be embarrassed about enjoying should be embarrassing to you right?

Andy Stephenson

My point was I your not living in the us then get a ps4 or a pc for gaming if you live in the us then that’s all good choose the brand you prefer.. The other point I was making is that halo is only better than last of us in his opinion.. You all have a favoured brand I really don’t care if you say you don’t, you’re lying,, I prefer pc and ps since iv been playing them all my life for the past 20 years.. Also in my opinion ps exclusives are way better than the crap ms churn out year after year.. Also you need to know what elitist means bro.. I clearly stated I like pc and ps4 an elitist would like one or the other.. You’re welcome

Paddy

You’re a joke because you say someone should be “embarrassed” for liking XB exclusives more than the exclusives on PS. You are a contradiction because you’re bashing someone for what they like, but then going on to preach your opinion like it’s fact and then go on to throw a fit at people when they don’t share your own view. I’ve been playing XB since the first console and prior to that played Nintendo consoles from the regular original Nintendo. With that said, I’ve had friends who religiously worshiped their PS’s over the years and had no problem playing on those. They’ve always had strong consoles, so I see where people back them up religiously. I, just like many others, just have their preferences.

Andy Stephenson

Yes I’m a contradiction for not sharing your opinion and you’re a hypocrite for that whole last comment..not sure how many times I stated it was my opinion.. But yeah you’d have to be some half witted fool to think that halo is better than anything from ND.. Let’s face it if the Xbox wasn’t American it would have died of after the first console. You know this to be true.. All out of some misplaced sense of patriotism..

Paddy

Wow, you really don’t have much comprehension do you? Should I explain the entire dictionary? I value your opinion in enjoying your PS and PC games. I never blast people for what gaming platform or games they enjoy most, so please explain my contradictions haha. You on the other hand blast people for what they enjoy and then get all butt hurt when people don’t share the same interests.

People buying the XB because it’s by an American based company is a load of crap. Perhaps you don’t live in America or you’re too young to understand the history of its economy. Otherwise you would have noticed all of the off shoring that’s taken place in America over the decades in favor of American jobs for cheap labor/cheap products. I’m not certain, but I’m guessing even Microsoft takes advantage of that to a degree. If people were so concerned with buying American, the bulk of products bought in America wouldn’t be coming from Asia of South America. The XB survived because it was a fresh new device, was competitively priced, and had Halo, which many people enjoyed and still enjoy.

I’m glad you enjoy voting your comments up.

Andy Stephenson

Haha love it when people pretend to be intelligent over the Internet.. You sharp changed your tune! Every comment you’ve posted contradicts the last. People like you are the reason the Xbox community is so bad.. You’re blatantly just going to cry over even the slightest negative comment towards the all powerful bone. With the magical cloud that will solve all our problems.. The whole things a joke.. As the comedian would say. If you value it read it and move on. Don’t cry because I express an opinion..

Paddy

Then spell out my contradictions lol. Just quit while you’re already behind.

And yes, the PS4 hardware is better than the XB1 and the power of the cloud so far hasn’t really delivered anything too cutting edge in my opinion. I do appreciate the online experience though. Maybe in the future it will evolve, but I’ll believe it when I see it. I have no insecurity about you pointing out those flaws of the XB1. That doesn’t mean I really weigh those heavier than other things when buying a console though. I bought the XB1 because it’s what I wanted. I definitely feel I’m getting good value out of it.

I considered the PS4, but in the end the XB1 had what I wanted and I liked the familiarity and history I’ve built on the XB brand to where it just wasn’t for me.

Andy Stephenson

Behind? Didn’t realise it was a competition but yes I look less a fool than you so yes I’m behind..
Just gave your self away as a troll old chap.. Only a complete moron would come on here for an argument competition…
You really have nothing do you? At no point have I even slightly been annoyed.. More bemused.. If you can’t be arsed to look back over your comments I’m not re-writing them for you..

Kingbf

Sorry pony boy you look like a complete fool..Paddy is honest and unbiased…and he just wiped your pony ass with your ps4.

Andy Stephenson

And ooh don’t you love him

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

Paddy

Yep, behind. So when you said Greg was an embarrassment for liking Halo, you didn’t have any sort of agenda? Didn’t think anyone might respond? That has me questioning who the real troll is just a smidgen. There’s another contradiction for you home skillet.

Kingbf

They are so angry….why ? It must be that they know the ps exclusives really arent very fun. And great games are fun…I have played each systems exclusives….in my opinion the xbox one exclusives are significantly more fun than the ps4 exclusives. That is fact and not debatable since its my honest opinion.

Paddy

They are fools who bash one system and to avoid looking like a homer throw out that they’re a PC gamer as well to look more validated.

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

Andy Stephenson

That last sentence was jibberish haha.. Enjoy liking your own comments much? You’re the only one who does

Paddy

If you scroll up, you can see who liked your comments. Several of your likes are by you…

Andy Stephenson

There’s multiple me’s I’m at work

Kingbf

Halo by far better than those you mentioned….not even close.. So many hours of epic beautiful multiplayer combat. Uncharted multiplayer just flat out sucks. Not to mention the coming Crackdown and Gears of War both frickin fantastic. I own both systems…Xbox One has better games by far.

Andy Stephenson

Well you obviously haven’t played either. Because no xbox exclusive has scored as high in reviews as the last of us has.. So the people in the know think you’re wrong.. However you may prefer halo to the last of us as a personal preference.. Like I say I’m no fan of fps in any case well I haven’t really played them much since the ps2 but having sed that I am really looking forward to destiny.. The alpha code was awesome! If any one else was/is in the beta give me a shout and let’s get some questing done :)

Paddy

So because Kingbf doesn’t have a romance with the games you like, that means he hasn’t played them? “People in the know”? lol.

Andy Stephenson

Haha oh the saviour of is all.. Real hero you are.. The defender of all.. Haha hush just little bitch

Paddy

You’re the one who keeps going with this. Every one of my comments has been to call out your BS and nothing more. Doesn’t it suck when someone calls you out and makes you look like a blind fanatic? It was even funnier when you tried to imply I can’t take it when people criticize the XB1 only for me to agree with your criticism.

Rodge dodge charger

Andy Stepheson is a just some faggot ass Sony dick sucker from somewhere In the UK or Australia. Evident by his us of the word Favoured over the americanized favored. You don’t like fps bcuz you faggots can’t own hand guns. Lol…no one gives a shit. About your opinion that’s why your writing comments and not reviews dumb fuck. And your a real review dick rider as well. Last us of got a good review it’s sure did. Fuck that review! I play a lot of games good or bad reviews. Make your own review you piece of cattle. But you can’t because that would require some thought and not googling wat PS game got a good review.

Rodge dodge charger

I heard they’re making dildo shaped ps4s so people like you can jus shove the system in your ass. And weed out the fanatics from consumers, you know consumers, people who buy stuff THEY want, not fanatics who buy what ever system their friends or the reviews told them to buy. You’d be identified by the clinched butt cheeks walk.

Andy Stephenson

Hahaha! Awesome

Josh101

Yup. He would be referring to over 200 GOTY nominations. Which won Game of the Year. The highest critically acclaimed game. Apparently you are new to this gaming thing.

Paddy

Wait, I’m new to this gaming thing because I like Halo? Maybe I’m missing the correlation you’ve drawn up. And better read through my comments again. I never once said I don’t personally like those PS4 exclusives. And I know gaming goes back further than how long I’ve been playing, but I’ve been gaming for 25 years and started off with the original NES. I still remember being a young child and being blown away by Duck Hunt and Mario.

Josh101

No. It’s the simple fact athat you can’t grasp the concept of what he is saying. The Last of Us won more GOTY awards than every Microsoft exclusive ever released combined. Fact. It is heralded as one of the best games ever made. That’s only ONE exclusive from Sony. There are plenty more that have taken the GOTY award. Microsoft’s exclusives don’t hold a candle to what Sony has on offer. Not by a long shot. But I can accept that is my opinion. Along with the majority . You can like those games all you want, but the general consensus has lifted other games from a competing company at a higher standard. To them and myself, they are better.

Paddy

Josh, you have no idea what you’re talking about or perhaps you have me confused with someone else. Where did I deny those games have won awards? I know they are good games, so get off my back about that lol. It has to be a good game to get 98% on metacritic. No need to misconstrue what I’ve been saying by saying I’m new to gaming haha. I know Sony has some great games whereas Microsoft does as well. That’s my only big takeaway here.

To be fair, Halo has had some fairly favorable reviews over the years (though Halo was by far the best reviewed and that was over a decade ago). Also, if you look at reviews for games across PS4 and XB1 on metacritic, you won’t see anything to make the games on either system look better than the other at this point. We’re still sort of in limbo to see what the upcoming late 2014 to 2015 games will bring in terms of exclusives. So, it’s safe to say that you can’t call a clear winner in exclusives at this point in time if going simply off reviews. Now, there are definitely people who favor one or the other though. I favor XB1 and you seem to favor PS4. There’s nothing wrong with either.

Andy Stephenson

It was when you quoted me saying “people in the know” now you know who the people in the know are.. The people who play these games for a living.. Th people who gave them all them awards.. What’s what I mean by halo is not better.. You can like halo more than tlou as a personal preference but it’s no really better is it.

Paddy

Ok lol.

GodGamerDerp

Another typical dumb, delusional, malicious, constantly wrong microsoft fanboy that has no clue about technology or sales, just feces flinging and screaming like an imbecile.

The Xbox brand has lost Microsoft billions of dollars, Xbox One will lose them further billions. Xbox, Bing, Surface, and Windows Phones are all in the same general area of failure and net loss. MS’s consumer products besides Windows have almost all been failures. Xbox One will be a net LOSS, not profit. Only question is how much they’re going to lose.

Xbox is not “doing well”. The Xbox brand has lost MS billions of dollars, with Xbox One set to lose even more money. MS consumer products like Bing, Surface, and Xbox are all money losers for MS and some shareholders are increasingly unhappy about it.

The gaming division and first party studios are well funded, are in a net profit, and working on PS4 games.

Apparently PS4’s stronger hardware, ~3.5 million sales lead, large number of 1st party developers, more games, and more developer support have microsoft fanboys extremely upset, causing them to spread lies and hatred. Thankfully everyone is ignoring these children and buying PS4s like hotcakes anyway.

8+ million PS4s and counting. Nothing you say will stop it, you are helpless. Keep lying and hating while everyone else ignores you.

PS4 has the superior visuals on all console AAA multiplats, more dev support including indies, a large number of first party studios, free to play games and MMOs, and unannounced 1st party games. Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

PS4 will have the graphics advantage the entire gen. PS4 hardware and software will outsell Xbox globally the entire gen. PS4 will have more dev support and more 1st party games the entire gen. Sony still has a large number of 1st party studios and they’re all working on PS4 games. PS4 will make a net profit, Sony won’t go bankrupt.

Paddy

PS4 has more games I believe like you said, but a wikipedia search (not sure how accurate) has Microsoft with a couple more studios (1st party) producing exclusives than Sony. And yes, Sony does have a hardware advantage. Not too cutting edge of a statement there. I think they’ve always had the advantage though. And yeah, I’m not sure I believe in Sony going bankrupt, but I do think they’re facing some financial issues that are weighing them down a bit at the moment. Still, I think they’ll restructure and end up fine. And yes, the PS4 is destroying the XB1 in sales. All of these things you’ve mentioned are fairly common knowledge at this point.

It would be very interesting if you’d put a number on how much Microsoft is losing on the XB1. You mention they’re losing an arbitrary billions, but never actually show any sources. I can see you are very passionate about Microsoft’s flaws, so maybe you should dig into it a little deeper. Not saying you’re wrong, just interested to know if they are actually indeed losing money on XB1 and how much. Neowin stated that both Sony and Microsoft lost billions on the previous generation, so I’d imagine it’s going to be similar this generation (Sony is in the lead at the moment, which will help them long term though).

Greg

Andy, did I not make it clear that I was talking about FPS (First Person Shooter) games? I have no doubt that The Last of Us is a very great game, and it’s obvious also that Uncharted is also very popular. But I’m talking about FPS games. In my opinion, Halo is better than any FPS that is exclusive to Playstation. Embarrassed? Far from it, Andy. I’m proud to be a Halo fan. It’s a fantastic and iconic game that millions of players over the past decade will attest to as they have continunally spent hours regularly playing Halo games. As awesome as The Last of Us probably is and as high of a review score as it no doubt recieved, it simply does not have the same high level of continuous replay value that Halo has. I’m talking mostly about multiplayer in the endless replay value that Halo offers. And when it comes to hardcore gaming, I’ll take quality gaming over hardware specs. And if you don’t already know this, The Halo Master Chief Collection will be available at 1080p/60fps so the “weaker hardware” of the Xbox One will let me play glorious Halo with the best resolution/frame rate available on consoles in today’s market.

Andy Stephenson

My bad sorry

brenro

Streaming movies with 2 channel sound? Are they kidding?

AdamRadzik22

Honestly, that is fine with me. For years I had a 3.1, then 5.1, then 7.1 setup. Eventually, after a living situation forced me to not have anything more than a center channel and 2 bookshelf speakers on either side, I realized that, for me, the surround sound was all much more trouble than it was worth, and (for me only, I know), didn’t really add appreciable enjoyment to anything.

So now, while my high quality center channel + 2 bookshelf speaker setup might be a huge downgrade from what I’ve had for most of the last decade, I realize that it’s actually simpler for the exact same amount of sound enjoyment.

I’m probably in the minority here in the tech world, but 2 channel output, while I would once have been offended at such a notion, is all I need or care about. So, that’s not a big deal to me.

Justin Schroeder

But here’s the thing, why would you use this with your home theater setup. This is made to be the thing that drives your TV in your bedroom or in your kids room.

Phobos

How about bundle some good games instead of more hardware I might not use much.

Patrick Michael Robert Lane

Why do you need a separate device? I use my PS3 to stream everything to my TV when not using my apple TV… I’m confused.. whats the point of PSTV?

Tycoon will

It is so you can use it as a video streaming device if you like but you can also play psvita card/games on it and also stream your ps4 to any tv in your house the pstv is hooked up too, plus they are thinking about making it to where you can play psnow on it, but the have not confirmed that yet, that might just be a rumor

disqus_NatMkEszXX

To replace the apple TV that you use, when you are not using your PS3?

bigevilworldwide

Because it’s a PS Vita without a screen that connects to your televison….Period, for whatever reason dumb people have this idea in their heads(Even though youtube videos are around) that it’s some sort of Vita compatible device, when It’s literally for people who want to play Vita games on their television

Josh101

Edit: Wrong person.

Todd

With Sony’s obsession with DRM, not a chance.

Ray C

More eye baiting headlines. No one is going to be “taken out”

miyamoto

Sony really needs to leverage the popularity of the PlayStation brand into many of its electronics products like Apple did with the “i” branding from iPod to iOS to iPhone to iPad to the next “i” product.

The PlayStation Phone is long over due and needs to replace the Xperia brand. PS Phone is basically a smartphone that can also function like a PS Vita & PS Now player that can be paired with a DualShock 4 controller.

The Vaio is gone and should be replaced by the “PlayStation 4 Rig” gaming laptop basically a PS4 in laptop form factor that can be paired with a DualShock 4 controller.

The PS Vita should be a hybrid of the 3DS and the Nvidia Shield both clamshell form factor.

Mirimon

“i” branding still works to this day.. pretty much anything with an i on it sells, from apple products to pick-up trucks (toyota has a truck which features some form of “i” branded engine thing….). it’s one of the marketing trends that is popular, as is putting anything with HD or 3D on it… soon the marketing trend will be “4k” this or that…

bigevilworldwide

It doesn’t have the ability to play Vita games…IT IS A DAMNED VITA, why are people having sooooo much trouble grasping this FACT….It’s a VITA, it hurts my brain that people seem to have problems figuring out that It’s a screen less Vita that uses your television as the screen..

Mike

It’s more of a streaming device than a Vita. Some Vita games will be available on it, games that require the touchpad and/or touchscreen won’t be. I will use it for playing PS1 and PS2 titles and for streaming my PS4 to other rooms.

dale71

First off, there’s so much damn confusion about what a PS TV is, which makes it Sony’s fault! secondly, the Vita name is the dumbest, most poorly thought out name I’ve heard given to a game system from a major player that you could ask for. hell, why didn’t they call it VitaVegamite! It’s even more poorly named than the Wii U. Shame these rubes can’t test these names, because from the day Wii U and Vita were announced tons of people have said, “WHAT????” Sony should have called their system something Americans would find memorable, not something many people think sounds like a Vitamin product. What was wrong with a familiar word? WTG, Sony. Good memorable names help sell products. This one does not sell well.

Mirimon

likely they named it that since it’s really just a ps vita without a built in screen, and a passththrough system for content.

dale71

Yes, for the PS TV. Agree. Maybe Sony will spend some cash educating through ads

Mirimon

if only… that has always been the weak spot in Sony, their poor advertisement. Had they made advertisement actually educational, betamax would not have lost to vhs, there would not have been a format war for BD….and people would have frothed at the lips to get the ps3 when it launched and it would likely have kept its original features. As well.. MSFT would have been laughed at day one of the OG xbox, and 360 would not have seen the light of day regardless of Bungie’s creativity.

Information, education, these play a large role in the fact that my customers are so loyal.

Talidan

You’re probably one of the only few people who connects “Vita” to “vitamin”, save for those who think about word etymology. They don’t even sound the same. It’s like “veeta”, like the Latin “vita”, meaning “life”.

While the “vita” of “vitamin” comes from the same root, it’s not said the same in the word “vitamin”.

And PlayStation TV is what’s being used for the American market. Vita TV was its name in Japan when it released there a few months back.

Guest

Hahaha, NO. It already failed when it was named VitaTV as it is PoS hardware. Sony paupers are desperate in believing that a name change will do a complete reversal. Vita is dead and this TV is nothing but a desperate and hypocritical move by Sony.

Mike

I think it will work great in my house. Instead of using my Vita to play in different rooms, I will just stream the PS4 to wherever I want to play. Another Netflix and VUDU device that can be used for gaming too. Much better than Roku or Apple TV

Greg

Why doesn’t Sony figure out a way to use the dualshock 4 controller with Playstaion TV? I’ve used the dualshock 3 controller many times when I’m over at other people’s houses and I just cannot stand the way it feels in my hands. Not ergonomic and the R2 and L2 “triggers” are terrible. I thought we were past that awful controller and Sony would know better than to offer it’s new service that uses the dualshock 3 controller.

Mike

I am thinking it will be compatible with Dualshock4, otherwise how can ps4 games be streamed to it. There is a limited range the controller can be away from the PS4, about 30 feet is when mine gets twitchy

Paddy

It’s a solid option for some people. I’m not sure it’s a crushing blow to Apple or Microsoft though. I long for a day when the media won’t have to paint an ultra gloom and doom or high in the sky view on every single bit of news to try to get viewership.

MarkCValdez

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