I do care what traditionalists want, but I could care less what liberal men want.

I'm going to a church right now to see how things work out. It's mostly elderly, there's no people my age. The people are a slight bump over the general population. If I had a wife I'm not sure how much she'd get out of it. It's one of the largest Orthodox churches in northern california and less than 100 people attend every sunday. They barely have enough children to fill the Liturgy that takes place.

The only place I've experienced that resisted modernism was when I visited a mosque and accidentally converted to Islam (another story). Islam somewhat frightened me though. I had the sense that they would be very angry if I disagreed with them on anything.

I'm a traditionalist. My plan? As of right now I'm hoping to see if I can catch a wave by raising capital, moving to Asia, and making wise investments. Be in one of the tiger cub economies like Malaysia maybe. The American Dream is to have the next generation do better than the last. America's being weighed down by Socialism, of which Feminism is a part, with no end in sight. So if I want that dream I have to follow the money, follow the growth. Even if that means abandoning America itself.

I forgot which Roman said it, but, "My country is where I prosper." The Dream can't be found here. It's not that I think a better life isn't put there - it is. But the risk is enormous. Feminist liberal culture seems like it will engulf everything before it dies. Hence the doom I spoke of.

abcdavid01 wrote:I'm a traditionalist. My plan? As of right now I'm hoping to see if I can catch a wave by raising capital, moving to Asia, and making wise investments. Be in one of the tiger cub economies like Malaysia maybe. The American Dream is to have the next generation do better than the last. America's being weighed down by Socialism, of which Feminism is a part, with no end in sight. So if I want that dream I have to follow the money, follow the growth. Even if that means abandoning America itself.

Exactamente. Our forefathers dreamt of a better life and did what they had to do... they left. Doing the same is keeping with the true spirit of what America was all about.

i care only for truth, nothing else. traditionalism and its opposite liberalsim are two abstract ideologies created by humans in an attempt to maintain and advance society. the only difference between the two is that the former was constructed in a time with much less abstructions to truth and the latter a lot more. if human awareness was high enough, in other words if unconscious delusions were quelled to a large enough degree, there would be no need for ideologies, everything would fall into place under a socialist system. these are bold words which sound insane to the average person but they are my beliefs based on my direct experience.

socially liberal individuals seeking "sexual freedom" are cultural drones without the faintest notion of truth. how they can be against feminism without recognizing their own hypocracy is beyond me. they want to keep the aspects of cultural decadence which boosts their ego and disparage the aspects which threaten it. they cannot make an argument against anyone who speaks from a place of truth, because they operate totally out of biased self interest. the superficiality of modern men is what has caused all the poisinous ills we are seeing in the world, and the inability of them to recognize it in themselves is what keeps the system going which keeps us in servitude. many of them likely had fathers that were shams and mothers that were whores and\or they lapped up every bit of nonsense programming their culture threw at them without ever questioning it. either way we are living in a time with little other than shells of human beings. i for one will adamently not have any of it. i plan to study psycology, philosophy and sociology in order to get down to the depts of exactly how humans have fallen so far from grace into this fear based beleif system of the world we are seeing and experiencing. i envision a future of a world dominated by truth and i am going to play as much as a part as i can to bring in into existence. incredibly ambitious to say the least, but i can do nothing else after what i have seen and realized with the insight i posess. everyone seems to be totally attatched to a completely superficial existense due to an illusory subjective perception of reality which has zero basis, and they haven't even the faintest notion they are operating in this way.

No, that sounds about right Lavezzi. I'm just extremely skeptical we can ever get to the point where rationalism would really work out. I'm not sure there will ever be that much human awareness. I'm surprised that is a goal you are pursuing to be honest. I like to think my path is one of humility. I recognize that it is likely impossible for anyone less than a God incarnate to operate a Socialist system. So I trust in chaos to create the best results. Not the best theoretical results, but the best possible results. Rationalism is only useful to trim excess. But I am studying sociology and such for similar reasons. You should add economics as well.

politics, economics etc. are only of secondary importance. technicalities cannot possibly bring humanity back to its natural state of tranquility and acheive world peace. the real issue at hand which needs fixing is a deep rooted flaw in human perception how by an individual assesses his relativity to the universe. a seperate sense of self is produced by a prolonged error of mistaken identification, without this error there would be no potential in human thought to produce false reasoning, as all the old operational systems of belief would become redundant. a system based on love would replace the old fear based one almost automatically in a very short span of time. to experience a state devoid of self interest for oneself will draw you to similar conclusions by envisioning it being the state of all humanity.

sushiman wrote:The biggest threat to the system is that men will gather together.

So obviously there's going to be all sorts of brainwashing tactics to create the illusion of differences so people fight against each other, instead of against the enslavers.

humans are operating out of a delusional sense of reality which is incontrived. its rapidly inflating naturally due to the economic system in which we live. we are our own worst enemies. if we as individuals at the bottom continue to live out of egotism, we inevitably continue feeding the system which benefit those at the top. those elite groups are laughing yes, but i seriously doubt they are conscious of the real mechanics of the human mind which serve to sustain their power.

I dunno, I think the people born with exceptional intelligence who rise to these positions do so using a very keen understanding of how humans work and make use of that understanding to obtain and hold their position.

Ghost wrote:The powers that be are very intelligent, but in a way, they are the most enslaved. They are the most hopeless in that they cannot ever let go of their delusions.

People like us? Any of us could drop out of the system entirely? Some of us will escape to freer parts of the world. Most of us will go our own way and practice minimalism or non-participation.

The so-called elites never will. They'll fully accomplishing the destruction of the world, I'm sure. We nor anyone can stop them, but ironically, they will stop themselves by causing the world (they need a world to live in too after all) to destruct.

Perhaps at one time, much earlier in this process of global degradation, it was possible to stop it or change its direction. Now, though, I am certain things are past the point of no return.

So any of us can do things to keep ourselves a little freer, or live a better life in the meantime, but in the end, all we'll do is inherit the ashes of the world. There's no safe place. No place to run.

That is the doom I speak of often, and the doom I see in many posts here and elsewhere. We all have a feeling or outright know that it is too late. There will be no happy ending. It is merely a question of what to do while waiting for the end.

+1 I think it is too late for guys to do much! Because now there's so many divorced guys & they haven't formed any large group to stand up to feminism. Now it really is too late because if guys did stand up they'll be sent to prison for "stalking" or "terrorism" and no-one will care. Bring on the endgame and give me popcorn as I've tried to help guys, but I've found they don't want it.