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Regarding Spore: I just want to say that Toxin stacks infinitely and that there is a weapon that has a guaranteed Toxin proc that can be built to have a chance of doing a Gas proc which is just an AoE Toxin proc.

I don't understand this "power synergy" for Saryn when there are other frames that already do it better without the requisite of going into melee range, like Ember or Excalibur. Why show it off as something novel?

So I was testing Saryn the whole fucking day, in different missions using this combo: use 2, apply 1 over 2 and then 4.

-Triton: over lvl 50 just kill the minions and not the engineers, over 4 times doing the combo and just then the heavy enemies die.-T4 Def: same as Triton but this time lvl 40 HG and bombard didn't fucking die, just after 3 or 4 times doing the combo.-T4 Surv: same as T4def case, with a trinity can spam the combo over and over, good for camping and CC but not for kill.-Ceres Survival: Saryn get fucking rekt with bleed proc every fucking time, also the same shit as Triton.

>>121433005skip 4, just 2 and pop them with AOE weapon. Also, using spore them on molt does not give +200% damage. You use molt because it doesnt die when you pop them, so you can spam molt with spores and light up the map. Also no overextended, and you have vitality?

saw this last thread, I wish this sort of analytical discourse was more popular than hollow contrarian-for-its-own-sake shit like mute faggot et al - people who actually play the game

there's just this huge disparity between what the majority of players, and apparently the developers, think the game should be "targeting" in terms of level of play... and what is actually reasonable, or at least remotely engaging, or simply necessary as a result of grind desperation

>>121437135>comments from people literally ignoring large segments of the video mindlessly defending this bullshit reworkthe guy did what I did, actually TRIED using all of these abilities in the way the game now suggests you do against enemies of substance to enact this "synergy", and it still fucking sucked

if it's b8, it's decent, as this is a ripe time for people to be rused

>>121437728>Loki rework>Decoy automatically sets off alarms>Invisibility only works while stationary>Switch teleport can only be used on enemies>Radial Disarm now only Disarm, removes the weapon of a targeted enemy for a duration>Shields, Health and Armor values changed to 50, 50 and 5, respectively.

>invis breaks on movement>invis set to toggle-able ability, disabling ES>disarm no longer permanent, works on low base dur + power dur mods>disarm now works on base chance to disarm with power str mods>switch teleport no longer useable on friendlies

>>121438769will it ever be actually playable to completion? I did my farming in the early phases on day 1, but I haven't been online much since (and when I am, alliance chat is ded plus nobody wants to run it anyway since it's so sleek)

>>121437728Time to go INTERACTIVE1 - Decoy: Quality of Life Changes, Decoys is one of those abilities that "plays the game for you". Using the ability now causes Loki to draw fire from all mobs in a 10/20/30m area

2 - Invisibility: We have improved invisibility by making the strength of the invisibility based off of power strength, and it is now buffed by power range. Each step will reduce the duration of invisibility by 1%.

3 - Switch Teleport: Due to toxic behavior, Switch Teleport has been replaced with Acrobat. Acrobat applies a buff to movement abilities, but reduces sprint speed.

4 - Radial Disarm: Buffed Disarm to have a max duration of 15 seconds, buffed by duration mods. Improved ability pathing so it does not go through walls, To make the ability more interactive and feel like an ultimate, we have given Loki a special power UI that allows him to zoom in on the mobs he would like to disarm.

I've got like 600p after being ravaged by the shitty halloween shit that I'll never even fucking wear, and I hate jewing for that much plat, and she's not even mai waifu, but... muh exclusive cosmetics... and she walks like I do when I'm not wearing shoes because I'm some kind of fucking sperglord

>>121441724does this actually have any of the scripts or code used for the game, beyond basic engine support stuff? and does this tell us how to reverse engineer/fully decompile content ourselves? I want REAL damage numbers, and the music

>>121445798saryn was used for quickly clearing exterminates, or wiping out enemies in md runs. also, all the enemies shown in that video could be wiped out in a fraction of the time with tonkor. yet you can't do that, because his shitty built revolves around using sub par weapons just to get the intended effect with spores.

>>121445798he's comparing to max power str miasma ie max blind rage>Miasma (pre-patch):Maximized Power Strength & Minimized Power Duration increase damage to 8,968.4 per tick and 13,228.4 in total.95 energy, hella modsthat to me, invalidates the comparison. Try it again with max efficiency, and not to mention the no los requirement and doing the damage unconditionally. Being able to kill a grineer who got stuck in geometry or when the AI pathfinding decides to take them to fucking China was just a huge quality of life bonus.

>>121448691I got banned without notice and without knowing for how long in NA E region for saying "Negromu is a fucking scrub who is bad at the game, same with all the Warframe youtube/twitch personalities" and "put a potato on a Dragon Nikana so you can erp on Mercury relay you fucking faggot weaboo"

>start with Loki>get interested in Volt and Saryn>start making those both, never actually finish them>stop playing for a while>come back a couple months ago>finish Volt>man I enjoy the shit out of all this fucking electricity>Saryn is done just not claimed>probably gonna stay that wayAt least now I have a Mirage to fap to.

>>121439181>Pilfering Swarm is a Innate Passive to all his skills>Undertow just submerge half of enemies bodies so they can be attacked>Tempest Barrage is a toggle>Tentacle augment now just summons 2 giant tentacles wiping the area clockwise/anti-clockwise>enemies hit by his Tidal Surge are carried together with him>250 Armor>150 Base Health>75 Base Shield

>>121449780>I got banned without notice and without knowing for how long in NA E region for saying "Negromu is a fucking scrub who is bad at the game, same with all the Warframe youtube/twitch personalities" and "put a potato on a Dragon Nikana so you can erp on Mercury relay you fucking faggot weaboo"

You deserve that ban.

For fucks sake, is everyone on /wfg/ a fucking autistic retarded 12-year old homosexual may-may kid?

>>121439181Tentacle Swarm's tentacles can move within the area to seek enemiesIf there are no enemies left in the area then with Pilfering Swarm equipped they will seek out corpses and shake extra loot out of them

LOL did you expect her to just stand there and miasma spam? I mean is that what you want from her? What this showed was the power of spreading viral damage, the ability to redirect aggro to molt, and the stagger off of miasma. This shows that she now has VARIABILITY, and FLEXIBILITY as opposed to.. imma hide around that corner and press 4. If all you're looking for is damage numbers, then you clearly aren't grasping the power of this rework.

Here's the issue with Saryn.. everyone knew her as the damage dealer frame, and thats the ONLY way they seem to be able to see her. Now she's been re-WORKED, and she is a debuffer frame, and a DAMN good one at that. However like in most games, people would rather be the wizard crushing enemies with giant fireballs, or the assassins getting massive backstabs.. YET they don't see the power of the support classes that help those characters do what they do. Saryn has been shifted that way now, she's got some finesse and subtlety to her.. and all the nobs have no clue what to do now that they don't have big damage numbers popping up all over the place.

LOL, see right there.. obsessed with large numbers, and not wanting your team to contribute. No offense but that's just a typical press 4 to win mentality.

For 50 energy I can slice the health totals of an entire room down by 50% ;) At end game thats more than 50k hp per heavy and at least 15k for the lesser enemies, and i can do that in literally 3 seconds, instead of having to wait for MP to spread. ;) Not saying that MP is bad, but combine MP with the new Miasma and the debuffs are INSANE! Double the damage to enemies with half HP. Synergy too good.

You need to get your head around the fact that she's not meant to be a nuker anymore, shes the end game HP debuffer, and shes fucking AMAZING.. some people just cant seem to wrap their heads around..

>>121462848saryn was replaced by viral procs. she is no longer the queen of DEAC, she can no longer speedrun missions up to level 50. she never had a role on high level mission and now she never will have. she needs unique strong AoE debuffs if this is to be a thing.

>>121463550it's a crutch, like the sudacor was - why would anyone not use it? this isn't the kind of game that rewards being a tryhard or using anything but the gun that outputs the most damage to the most targets

but are you actually suggesting that the tonkor isn't the highest DPS weapon available to use at the moment? I believe there are higher DPS single-target options, but this is like comparing a sniper to a double anarchy in memelands

or, instead are you suggesting that by calling it a crutch I'm a forum shitter? or worse yet, that by using the crutch I'm a forum shitter?

>>121463203LOL apparently I play this game more than you do. First and foremost having Saryn take care of the viral procs, frees up the rest of your team to use far more optimized weapons, and doesn't limit them to having to use sub par status builds on them. So, you and your team end up doing more damage, rather than relying on her #4. It's pretty fucking obvious, but apparently you don't seem to be able to grasp that.

You keep saying that no one is complaining about big numbers, and pressing 4, yet you just started bitching about her not filling her OLD role.. which was what? to deal big numbers and press 4? STFU with that dumbassery! Then you CONTINUE to talk about SPAMMING her #4 (which you JUST SAID that no one was talking about but me, idiot). By using Trinity and Saryn.. let me guess.. trinity fuels saryns energy so she can SPAM #4? WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT! LMAO

With all of her abilities combined, she can now single handedly slice down half of an entire squad's HP, AND be free to hit them with weapons AS WELL. If you're just looking at her as a spam 4, then you're clearly not wrapping your head around the re-work. If DE intended her to be a damage-oriented caster, then THAT is what she would've been reworked into DUMBASS lol. Now, she is the queen of debuffs and high end play!

Good luck, they're killing all the press 4 to win frames LOL, hopefully you'll still be able to play the game after their done with your kind. XD

>>121464167>First and foremost having Saryn take care of the viral procs, frees up the rest of your team to use far more optimized weapons, and doesn't limit them to having to use sub par status builds on them

>>121462554Probably should stick that energy mod and get a decent power strength booster for Volt.>>121462559Besides Volt, I have Nyx and Vauban. (Also Oberon, but he's shit.)>>121462860I guess I will. It'll be a week before she'll be up to par, though.

>>121465029LOL did you expect her to just stand there and molecular prime spam? I mean is that what you want from her? What this showed was the power of spreading blast damage, the ability to redirect enemies through wormhole, and the stagger off of null star. This shows that she now has VARIABILITY, and FLEXIBILITY as opposed to.. imma hide around that corner and press 4. If all you're looking for is damage numbers, then you clearly aren't grasping the power of this rework.

Tenno! Tenno, Tenno... You think you're winning?Did you really believe it would be this easy?! You are running out of time! There will be nowhere to hide from my nerfs! And when the last of you is nerfed, I will personally throw your beloved waifu into the sun!

>>1214457987 hours late, but I just woke up.Are you fucking serious? I watched that video, 90% of his damage came from either his secondary or someone else. Those spores were doing shit all for damage, and the only reason shit was dieing with any amount of speed was due to the viral procs. He was literally just a moving target the entire time and brought nothing to the group. 8700 damage doesnt mean jack shit when the enemy has 50k health and 800 armor, meaning those spore pops are actually only doing 10 damage per pop. His own fucking video disproves his point because the spores didn't kill a single thing in it, his weapons/allies did.

>>121464446>>121465392The damage type itself isnt bad, but if you're modding to spread status on it then it IS. Can't sacrifice weapon damage for Status chance, I've been saying that for AGES.

Yes, that was definitely her OLD role was to deal massive AoE damage.. and you SAY that it had nothing to do with pressing 4.. but What ability was it that did that massive AoE damage? C'mon tell me.. WHICH ABILITY was the one doing the massive AoE Damage?

You need to let go of the OLD version of her. She WAS a damage frame and she ISN'T a damage frame now, she's a status based debuff frame, or are you NOT grasping that? Every word out of your mouth is damage damage damage, when it should be debuff debuff debuff.

VERY simple, with all of her powers combined, spore + molt or spore + toxic lash spreads the statuses, which empowers Miasma which stuns enemies and deals damage over time to them, aiding you in your weapon kills (instead of forcing you to be parked in one spot spamming 4). Those kills trigger more spores, which again are now spreading toxin and viral to more enemies (which means you don't ALWAYS have to recast them), and open enemies up to another dose of Miasma.

If you actually paid attention to spreading the status, rather than just crying over your damage numbers you'd realize that in missions like defense, interception, etc etc, when done right you only really have to cast spore and toxic lash like 3 times over the course of an entire wave.

LOL I will NEVER stop acting like a child, if people INSIST on acting like children, I should show them the EXACT same courtesy. ;) IDIOT.

>>121472641I actually stopped using Saryn when Equinox came out, solely because of Maim's insane range on top of its potential damage. Miasma needs to take a page from Equinox, every enemy that dies with a spore on it, and/or from toxic lash, gets added to a counter that buffs Miasma's damage and range.

So now I have to:press 2 (while walking inside melee range of enemies)press 1 on mold and the augment is MANDATORYpress 3 and melee said moldif it dies before i can get a hit on it i need to repeat everything aboveand then press 2 again and then 4just to deal LESS damage than before at even less range?wow thanks fat fuck you truly are a genius of game design! now i know why forumites and redditfags love you so much! gimme more of that kike cum yum

>Niggamu : Shilling DE testing Saryn on LVL 20 enemies and saying is good.>AGGP: cocksucker cumeater fag trap spamming videos on his channel vs lvl 100 enemies and he's not even able to kill them of getting them under 50 % of health so he uses vaykor HEK to do the job instead of Saryn>Quitte Shy: another DE whore just as AGGP

Meanwhile Tactical Potato is the only one able to say the truth and testing Saryn in a proper way.

>>121472321there is no point in spreading viral, she has no unique debuff that cant be done by another frame with a gun. banshee does x11 damage if needed and nova also does x2 damage while controlling the enemy, adding viral to the mix is sure nice, with a ignis while your team mates can apply DPS.

modding a weapon for status chance is not a bad thing, it wasnt before 4xCP was a thing and it wont be when you need viral to cut the enemy health in half, effectively doubling your damage on a whole different layer on a mob of enemies. only the proc nerf removed certain guns of its utility like shotguns or some slow shooting rifles because it made any advance for +status with the dual stat mod a chore.

theres no role for saryn. she was replaced by a weapon. but why am i talking to you? you dont even play saryn

>struggling to do Excavations solo, since the Excavator is so frail enemies can kill it in a matter of seconds>google it to see if there's a frame that can help>"Saryn is great for this!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gFnCwVqbWs

>>121474996DK, AGGP and Quitteshy all support each other on jewtreon and all share the same theme of calling people with opposing opinions retarded.Niggamu was actually disappointed with what DE did but didn't pull the retard card and turn on his followers.

>>121476943>>121477251the energy buff is used as a way to justify itbut decreasing raw HP and increasing armor was stupid as shit. If they kept the HP value the same and reduced armor instead that would be better.

>>121475362I've read your posts SEVERAL times. You keep saying that its not about dealing damage, but then you keep talking about Miasma (which is pressing 4)

JUST LOOK AT YOUR POST:

"the damage over time from Miasma, that is the result of her debuffs, is too low!"

Again more damage obsession?

"Miasma is not worth the 100 energy it takes to cast"

..why? Because it doesn't do enough damage for you?

Like literally you're doing NOTHING but talking in circles. You don't seem to be comprehending anything. TL;DR she is NOT a damage frame anymore. She is a debuff frame!

"Debuffs don't mean shit if their effects are negligible, especially at high levels which I am beginning to doubt your experience with."

So you're saying that halving an enemys health REGARDLESS of level is negligible? I for a fact can tell you don't have much experience with high levels now.

And as for extra effort.. FFS, did you not see how easy it was? As for extra energy, spore now can spread to enemies after their carrier dies.. thus applying the spore effect without having to recast spore.. Seriously, you're so focused on "how hard she is" and how "she doesn't do as much damage as before" to notice all the amazing things she CAN do.

I'm honestly getting sick of responding to someone who lacks the intellect to consume the information that is laid out very clearly for them.

Frankly, I'm just going to start deleting, because this conversation is a complete waste of my time. If you have nothing intelligent to say, say nothing at all.. and I'll make sure that's the case.

>>121477648>The new saryn is better than the old oneIt's the same shit with less damage cockmongler, if you add more damage you will get the same Saryn as before.This is not a rework faggot, now instead of "presss 4 to win" you press 1.fucking idiot.

>>121477503I want to buy the skin but I'm holding outIF they make the weapon skin usable on other melee dual wields (ICHOR) I'll buy that bundleif not I'll just get the skin itself because I have so much plat from trading it doesn't fucking matter

but for anyone considering buying it and is short on plat, don't botherSaryn Prime is confirmed next. Next Prime Access will either be near Christmas (end of Q4 for 2015) or very early January (Q1 2016)

Just imagine if it was the other way around, if we had the current saryn as the original, and she got reworked to her old self.

All of you would cry about her not requiring the little skill it took to pull of the combo.You'd cry that they did it to pander to children and idiots who were too stupid to pull of the "Saryn fart combo"

Face it, you guys will argue and complain about anything.Most people do.

I have a feeling the only reason they reduced HP is so they can make Saryn prime THAT much more desirable when her prime access comes out. They'll increase armor and HP on the prime version or some shit.

>>121479150>This is why people are shit.nice fedora there.but on topic, tell me why this version is that different?Aside that you need more work to do THE SAME FUCKING THING, why this "rework" is superior?Fatfuck changed 4 with 1.

>all these angry little Russian pieces of shit that play "press 4 to win"

Hahaha, you fucking cocksucking cunts, I guess you fucking untermensch slav faggots now have to play the game instead of huddle around the pod and press 4 while you should your fucking ugly Mongoloid shit language in your potato mic.

I finally realised why /wfg/ is shit, and all the other generals on /vg/ I frequent aren't shit.Warframe is free.Free games attract the worst kind of players.This general attracts the worst kind of players.

>DE will never create a retail singleplayer game set in the Warframe universe

>nerf thing>everyone uses other easy thing instead>nerf other thing>people now use other other thing>reintroduce powerful thing with prime access>players can still just as easily do well with other other thing>nothing is accomplished

HAHAHA, I spent so much goddamn money into this game I might as well shill.Saryn rework is okay you gaiz are just faggets and prbably suck. ;DI will resort into calling you names cause I can't handle a legitimate conversation.

The time it takes to cast molt, cast spore, and hitting enemies a couple times with toxic lash is the same time it takes to wipe an entire room with 2 tonkor shots.

You wanna know why people think she does well? It's the melee they're using. A melee weapon itself does more damage than all her skills combined. Now she's a DOT frame instead of a NUKE. No one wants enemies hit with DOT, they want them DEAD.

>>121478693A person who scammed neckbeards out of their money is now attacking said neckbeards.

I hope DE listens to more to the retarded casual shitters that are more interested in bitching in the forums rather than playing the fucking game.

The more nerfs, the more reason for me to finally quit this piece of shit game and I can finally be free. Granted I can finally stop playing for weeks but updates keep bringing me back for now, and with every fucking nerf this fucking game and its shitty community can be removed.

>p-pres four to w-w-w-win!

I don't even play this way, I love how every fucking shill thinks that if you disagree with them. Everytime I hear the term "press42win", "powercreep" and "overpowered" I get the urge to choke someone or punch my computer screen.

Fuck this game, fuck this communit, I hope DE keeps on nerfing the fuck outta everything.

>>121476370>killing level 70s no problemOk? Killing level 70 Lancers and Butchers, or any cannon fodder, is not some amazing feat. Guess what? You could kill them even faster with the Sonicor alone, even without 3xCP (which is what I assume you had).Admittedly, with further testing, you are right. She was never useful past DEAC(although this rework was supposed to make her viable outside DEAC, which they failed to do in their usual expert fashion), and as soon as non-ferrite, high level, heavy units showed up, you'd have to spam Miasma 2-5 times to kill it. I tested with two builds, one with only stretch, but 105% duration and 185% strength, and one with 68% duration, max range, and 135% strength. Miasma is pretty much only there for the 3 second stun now.

>>121481073I forgot to add that the Spore-splosion method only really kills anything if there are tons of enemies within range of each other. Otherwise it actually is better to pepper in Miasmas than rely solely on Spore alone.

>>121482661You mean you get laughed at for being a shitter>hey guise r8 my [Shit soma] build>"you're retarded">LMAO TONKORFAGGOTS MAD CUZ I NOT USING TONKOR, THEY MAD SON! ALSO MY BUILD IS THE BEST I AINT READING SHIT NIGGA! I CAN KILL LVL 30S WITH IT SO ITS FINE I CLEARED THE GAME!See: last threads