Way back when we made those articles in the first place we decided that ABW was a temporary epicode only and that the epicode numbers would be replaced with PSXXX once the rest of the chapters were caught up. So basically it was only so we could start making articles for them right away. So, yes, I'd like the page titles moved to the round numbers in order after HGSS chapter's and the content integrated as with the rest of the rounds. ABW01 is still the English translation of PSXXX and ABW02 is still the English translation of PSYYY, and so on, so it should be easy. We can just add that it was collected in volume 43, and so on, instead of B&W volume 1, and add a footnote/trivia/whatever indicating which English volume it was included in. Hope that all makes sense, let me know if you have any questions :D --ZestyCactus 03:38, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course this is partly going on the assumption that they will be published in the same order once they reach graphic novel format in Japan. But we'll worry about that only if it ever happens for real haha. I don't see any point in making separate articles, just maybe redirects for now, since it is literally the same rounds anyway. --ZestyCactus 03:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, this has been bugging me for ages

But, I can't take it anymore. Are these even real? I'm asking this because they sound made up. First of all, I have you-know-whats of the magazine releases, yet there's no sign of VS anything in any of the chapters. You know the one called "VS Deino?" It's not called that. It's called the B2W2 Prologue chapter. And that's all. Coronis is the one who sends those posts to Serebii, who even admitted he doesn't know much about it. Since Coronis makes up crap all the time, I think he made these titles up just to give them a title. It wouldn't be the first time he made stuff. Like nicknames, English names for characters that didn't have any at the time, etc. Ataro (talk) 03:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really trust Coronis either considering he made up names for like a zillion characters and all that. I would 100% trust the documents you have over him, anyway. I'd be ready to revert the article on account of them being unconfirmed if you agree. At least until Volume 43 comes out in which case we should have a reference for the first couple rounds. (also another strike against those dubious names is the fact that nobody put them in the articles, such as ABW01) we could also ask Pokeant where he got the info from, it looks to me like he was the one who added it. --ZestyCactus 04:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok I think we should revert it then if the only source right now is Serebii. When is the volume due to be released anyway? --ZestyCactus 02:27, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

At the time of your post, I didn't know. But yesterday, it was revealed to be coming out on the 25th of January. Also, I was wondering if you could upload the chapter covers for ABW26-8. It's the only English volume I don't have. I've been making pages for the chapters that have been released in France, but since they don't have titles in either Japanese of English, I'm not sure what to name them....Ataro (talk) 19:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

So far what you've done with the new rounds articles is perfect. If you want to put titles in the opening paragraph, you can always follow my example from GDZ16 and onward (since for volume 2 I don't have the Japanese titles, I just used the French ones). For linking (like on character's pages) I would just link with the epicode alone for now. As for the Volume 8 chapters, yeah, I have it, I can scan them, no problem :) let me know if you have any other questions :D --ZestyCactus 19:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Pocket Monsters moves

This has been bugging me. In the Pokémon Pocket Monsters manga, only a few moves were seen in the manga so far. Do you know if any more have been discovered as it is hard to tell since most of the battles that happen end up containing the characters constantly performing punches and kicks? PattyMan 05:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply!! Yeah, I would only include moves that have been confirmed by name. I suppose it's a lot like Magical Pokémon Journey where there's a lot of Pokémon talking and hanging out, but not using a lot of confirmed moves. Hope that helps o_O --ZestyCactus 04:19, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

It does help but it will be hard since it is mostly in Japanese. No problem with the slow reply, at least it is better than nothing. PattyMan 05:12, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm at the same roadblock with the series, the Chuang Yi translation seems to be out of print and they never translated DP, HGSS, or BW yet anyway. All the volumes I've collected are in Japanese so there's a limit to what I'm able to figure out from them ^^' --ZestyCactus 05:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Template question

Hi. I've been going through and adding in the Japanese titles and translations where they are lacking (and when they are available), but there is an inconsistency in previously completed pages. In the template, there are title_en, title_ja, and title_ro... And in some of the pages, the title_ro contains the romanized Japanese (which makes sense), but in others, it simply contains the translated Japanese again. The translated Japanese title is already present in the article in the leading line, so which is it? If it is supposed to contain the romanized Japanese, then many pages need to be redone. I can do them, but people need to stop adding a second translation there. I figured I'd get your final word on it, since it's your project. Mefredbob (talk) 10:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

My best guess is the inconsistencies are left over from when Transfinite did all the manga stuff, as they were particularly fond of using romanised Japanese all over the place. (for example, the actual article title for Walnut Tree was "Kurumi no Ki" until I moved it). Anyway, I would prefer the infoboxes translated, actually.. GDZ02 and PPP24 are good examples. Thanks for helping out with the translations :) let me know if you have any other questions/concerns/troubles/etc. --ZestyCactus 19:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

New User

Hello, I'm a new editor on Bulbapedia, and while I have significant experience editing on Wikia, I have none whatsoever here. While many aspects are the same, there are significant differences between the two. As a result, I'd first off like to apologize in advance if I mess something up (I don't plan on doing so, but hey we all start off new at some point). Second of all, my current goal is to add HD (game running in 1080 pixels) screenshots of Pokemon Colosseum and XD Gale of Darkness. One example is this screenshot of Verde. I will refrain from actually adding images to pages until I confirm with you that my images are suitable for Bulbapedia. Should this image (and any further images, since I'm going to continue uploads after this message) be satisfactory, I'd be more than happy to take any needed screenshots from the games. Sorry if this seems a little long-winded (and it probably sounds kinda formal too). Nairbnroh (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

PS: If you're not the person I should run this by, can you please direct me to him/her? I'm still new to the user right levels here, so I just followed the link given by the automatic welcome system. Nairbnroh (talk) 10:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Ash and Pikachu

Hi. I was filling in the missing info for the Ash and Pikachu manga chapters, and then ran into a snag. As far as I can tell, http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/SP04 doesn't exist in Japan. There are only 5 chapters in the first volume, according to my sources. Though there are 6 chapters in later volumes, so I'm not really sure what the deal is. So if you see SP04 flagged as missing info, that is why. The info isn't readily available, like most of the more obscure manga titles. Mefredbob (talk) 17:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

That is so weird o_O i wonder how that ended up being, it seems weird that the creator would make one chapter exclusively for Singapore (I have the Singapore version of the first volume), so maybe it was a magazine chapter that got put in CY's volume? just wondering, does your source show numbers on the title pages (like how on my scan of SP04 it says Chapter 4 at the top) that might give us some more details. anyway, thank you for helping with the manga so far :) --ZestyCactus 02:53, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

My source is just a text listing of chapter titles, and it includes the chapter numbers. I never bothered hunting down scans because that sounds like a nightmare. It's possible it was an error, or maybe one chapter was split in half? I don't know.

And if you need translation help with the manga (or game or TCG) stuff, never hesitate to ask. I tend to lurk around daily, so I'd see it if you wrote on my talkpage. I'm fluent in both English and Japanese, so never hesitate to ask. I like to help where I can. Mefredbob (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

That is completely possible, maybe a chapter was split in half and we'll have no way of knowing (for now) since most of the information already on the wiki is based on the Singapore version (the person before me who started the articles also had the Singapore version). That kind of split has happened before with other manga, see Cloystered/Raging Rattata as an example. We'll leave it as is for now until we know for sure because moving everything now, then moving back later if it turns out it was originally split like that, could be a big hassle :S Anyway, thanks again for your help, I do have a few things on my list that could use translation, so I will be sure to let you know :) --ZestyCactus 18:14, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Poké Special Tournaments

Hi, please, I would like to know if you are against creating pages about the Kanto's Pokémon League(from Red and Blue) and current Unova League(from Black e White) and Gym Leaders Tournament all showed in Pokémon Adventures?--Hikaru Wazana 20:21, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I am not totally against the idea...perhaps you could create the potential articles in your userspace first (like at User:Hikaru Wazana/Article name so I can review them before putting in the mainspace. I vaguely recall the details from the Kanto Pokémon League from the Red, Green & Blue chapter, you could probably flesh out an article from that, maybe about like what kind of competitions are in it, what rounds it was featured in, how many battles are supposed to take place, what known past winners there were, including how any of the main/supporting characters that were featured placed (like, I think Green came in third or fourth place, right? It's been a long time since I read that chapter). I am not as familiar with the Gym Leaders Tournament since I've only read as far as like ABW13 (I have all the VIZ Media volumes but didn't read them all yet XD) but again if you created an article in the userspace we could see from there. --ZestyCactus 18:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm working on it on my PC for now, so you're more prepared I'll put. And the first Pokémon League in Kanto was small (two editions covered the league :P ), and yes you are right, Green (the girl) was fourth (actually, the only ones known competitors were Oak, Red, Blue and Green girl). About the Competition of the leaders was more elaborate and covered more issues (about ten if I'm not mistaken). The League of Unova is still early for work, but considering I'll take some time with the first two may be that she already has more information on it when everything is in order (if only because the only information we have so far are who 'll be in competition).--Hikaru Wazana 01:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Images

A question: what's your opinion on stuff like this? Personally, I think it's hideous and unless a bad quality image can be made even slightly presentable with editing, an image of that quality shouldn't be used at all. It just makes the article look bad. (I am about to replace it with a non-bad version, though. There are similar examples from the Zensho scans). Ataro (talk) 20:19, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ew, that one was bad XD especially compared to your image, it looks kind of stretched? Like those weird mirrors lol? Anyway, I agree that if an image is so bad, it shouldn't be used at all. I'd rather have no image then a really bad one, it looks sloppy. For example, on CY's website there are cover images for EToP, but they are like 80x100px and soooo grainy that i refuse to use them on the wiki :P (I'll take a look at the Zensho scans then, I do have the manga so maybe I can replace them.) --ZestyCactus 17:30, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

BW Volume Question

Hey Zesty. Do BW volumes, (like Pokémon Black and White volume 10) get move protected or not? Most of them are unprotected, but like two of them are, so I was just wondering what the standard was. Thanks. --Pokemaster97 03:48, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmmmm I don't usually move-protect them unless there's a dispute with the title (and therefore it's move-protected to prevent vandalism, etc) like for example Electric Tale of Pikachu volume 1 and so on I believe are move-protected because we had some problems with people moving them. However it probably wouldn't hurt to move-protect them. It's just not really a big deal if they are or not, like I wouldn't spend hours going through and move-protecting them one by one just because xD (however episode/chapter/round epicodes always get move protected) so in short it doesn't really matter i think :P --ZestyCactus 03:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Question

When the manga HGSS saga ends, will the ABWXX Articles be moved to PSXXX? I've read somewhere that Black and White manga was released as a different series, so that's what generated my doubt.--Igor (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It's currently being published by VIZ Media, who is taking the rounds directly from the magazine publication rather than wait for a collected volume to be released. Since we did not yet know the round numbering for all the HGSS rounds, we started the articles with placeholder titles as ABWXX. My intention is to move them once the Japanese release has caught up to these rounds (but maintaining the current information on VIZ Media's licensed release... and Kurokawa's French release.. a bit of a challenge but for me it's fun XD) hope that answers your question! --ZestyCactus 16:27, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Project Manga - ISBN Numbers

I'm going to start filling in the info for the Korean releases of Pokémon Special... however, I'm not sure what ISBN number I should use, and I can't seem to find an answer anywhere.

Can I use ANY ISBN number, so long as it's for that particular title and volume (regardless of what copy/printing it is), or should I use the FIRST ISBN number under that title?

For example, of all the printings of Pokémon Special volume 3 in Korean, there's the one that's on my copy (978-89-252-8625-9), and then there's the one which apparently is the first ISBN number used (978-89-252-3433-5). There's also at least one other (978-89-844-2538-5) as well. All three can be found on Korean book stores (like Kyobo).

Now I looked at where the ISBN links on Bulbapedia go, so I assume that ANY ISBN number would work, so long as the user can find *A* copy of it online, right? Thank you for your time! -- Nick15 (talk) 01:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

As long as it's a legitimate ISBN number for a licensed release, it's fine. Doesn't seem like it's something I need to be fussy about. I wasn't even aware the exact same edition in a different printing might have multiple ISBNs o__O probably even just whatever is on your own copy is fine - I always prefer first-hand information. --ZestyCactus 21:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Lucas character

Since you may have the Pocket Monsters DP manga, there is a character who is modeled off of Lucas. Do you know if he has a name other than Diamond? If he does, the article will be titled under the given name. PattyMan 05:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, at first I was thinking we already had an article for this character, but I was thinking of Kazuki, who is based on Barry. If you're not sure, just make it at Diamond now I guess, since other characters like Ruby and Sapphire follow the same naming convention. You actually got me at bad luck - I have volumes from the classic series, RS, HGSS, and BW, but none from DP! So I don't know for sure at this time. ;___; --ZestyCactus 17:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good, hopefully I will get one of the DP volumes soon to confirm it and get some scans *__* --ZestyCactus 05:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Special lead inconsistencies

I was just curious as to why the leads for the RBY chapters, the DPPt chapters, and the BW chapters were all different. I'm assuming the Chuang Yi titles for RBY are the same as the Japanese one, but it doesn't show the titles. The DPPt chapters (that are out) have it set up like "Viz title/Chuang Yi title", and the BW chapters are set up as "Chuang Yi title" or "Viz title (in the ViZ Media translation)". Is this just an inconsistency that needs to be fixed, or is like that for a reason? --It'sFunktastic~!話してください 22:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

It's because the release of Pokémon Adventures in English has been complicated as hell. For the Red, Green & Blue chapter and the Yellow chapter, Chuang Yi's edition is actually a reprint of VIZ Media's first edition, so they share the same English titles. However, since VIZ Media stopped after volume 7 at first, volumes 8+ have been translated by Chuang Yi all by themselves. Beginning in August 2010, VIZ Media started doing volumes 8+, which is an original translation separate from Chuang Yi's. That's why you see the split in the title opening sentence for Gold, Silver & Crystal chapter and Diamond & Pearl chapter. Black & White chapter is really complicated since it hasn't been released in volume format in Japan yet, (coming soon though) so we don't know all the titles for the rounds since the information we have is limited to what is known by those who can access the magazine version. However, since VIZ Media is publishing them in mini-volumes, often we have the VIZ Media title but not the Japanese title yet. (Chuang Yi is only as far as the Platinum chapter and isn't doing BW chapter yet AFAIK). Considering that weird release schedule I find the formatting pretty consistent (or at least as good as it gets), I hope that explanation made any sense lol, let me know if you have any questions or concerns still ^^' --ZestyCactus 05:45, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Giovanni's Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan

I noticed that Giovanni's Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan have played major roles throughout the Kanto arc in Pokémon Pocket Monsters, even their infoboxes are gigantic. Do you think it is time to give them articles? If yes, they should be merged to the page called Giovanni's Hitmons since every appearance minus their debut featured them together. Oh, and I believe they haven't used any moves confirmed by name so far, unless I'm mistaken. PattyMan 05:14, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked sooo hard to find an example to show you of another article that features two Pokémon together and I couldn't find one XD but I swear on my life that Bulbapedia has had such articles before, and anyway, splitting off Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan to a separate shared article should be fine. Their infoboxes are huge haha. I would prefer something like "Giovanni's Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan" since I don't really like the article's title using a fan-ish term like "Hitmons" although you could create a redirect. --ZestyCactus 18:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

There is Brandon's Regirock, Registeel and Regice that were merged into one article and has Regis as fan name. I could go for Giovanni's Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan as the article name on your behalf then. PattyMan 19:15, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

YESSSS THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING OF lol. Sounds good. I'll keep an eye out for it. --ZestyCactus 23:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Blue's Blastoise and Red's Togepi are going to need them too for the same reason. However, Blastoise's cannot be created since the name is taken by a redirect of Blasty of Pokémon Adventures. PattyMan 03:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan article is perfect!! Great work :) Togepi's article does need to be created, is there a problem with it? D: for Blue's Blastoise we can just make it a disambiguation page. like "for Pokémon Adventures, see Blasty, for Pokémon Pocket Monsters, something like Blue's Blastoise (Pocket Monsters) should do. --ZestyCactus 16:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Can I add this unofficial external link?

I've been told to only add official sites to the external link section of articles, but I found a summary of the Mewtwo Strikes Back! manga adaption here and I've seen unofficial external links in articles that have little info, so I was wondering if this is an acceptable exception? --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 19:55, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think it will hurt, especially since we don't have much information on the manga. --ZestyCactus 16:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ground rules

OK, we need to set some ground rules for Project manga stuff. Why? Because I am furious, and it's driving me crazy how many people are ignoring what I say. I am literally going to scream in rage if these keeps going on. Alright, here they are:

1) "If a Pokémon uses a move but it isn't called out or revealed later on, it shouldn't be added to the Move Manga template or anywhere else that involves the specific Pokémon. Under any circumstances." It really goes against our title as an "encyclopedia" if we just guess what a move is called. This isn't the anime, which has moves that are easily identifiable and repeatedly states what the moves are anyway. Manga? Still, non-moving, frozen black and white images.

2) "If you can't read Japanese, it'd be best to not touch anything from manga that haven't been released outside of Japan." I mean, if you don't can't even understand what's going on, why touch story-related stuff? I guess you can add stuff like Pokemon pictures or appearances, but if you can't understand, it shouldn't be touched. Potentially false information is no different than no information at all.

3) "No scanlation text." I think this speaks for itself. Not really something new, but should be said. Ataro (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

My thoughts..

Fully back you up on this one. I have been asked about this before and I believe that under no circumstances should moves be added to a Pokémon or move's page unless it has been specifically named as such in the pages of the manga. I was asked this due to in Pokémon Pocket Monsters most of the moves not being called out. Too bad, I think unless it gets called out, it doesn't count, for the same logic you just mentioned.

I'm fine with this as long as it's clear that the meaning behind the rule is to avoid adding false or misleading information. I personally understand very little Japanese but I still contribute by adding, as you mentioned, scans of title pages and Pokémon appearances. However, that's all I'll really do since I can't really understand the story - this is only for adding pictures to facts that are already on the wiki or to add images to chapter summary pages. I wouldn't add any synopsis or story summaries unless I was reading it in English or French, since otherwise, like you said, could potentially be false or mixed up since I don't understand the story. :P so yeah i would be okay with this rule as long as it was specific, since there are still limited contributions that can be made, as long as they're not attempting full story summaries or something like that.

No complaints here. Makes total sense.

So yeah if you're good with this I'll go ahead and add it to the manga manual of style since as far as i'm concerned that's where all the manga rules should go. --ZestyCactus 22:31, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I have this term I call determining by action which means that a move was added on here without any confirmation (term applies with both manga and anime). PattyMan 00:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

GDZ articles

I just created twoarticles that aren't mainspaced as they need serious help. PattyMan 01:34, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I'll get to working on them over the next couple of days :) --ZestyCactus 01:11, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok. The latter one should not be confused with a user on here.PattyMan 01:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Obtained Pokemon in R/S Chapter

I'm going through the chapter pages and adding in that information, but I wanted to know whether or not Wally is important enough to have the Pokemon he obtains listed on the page. --It'sFunktastic~!話してください 00:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

My First Wide RS chapter blah blah blah

Yeah, I was wondering what we should do about those since not a single one has come since...you know. Ataro (talk) 00:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I found a little bit of information on that first and second one tucked away online, but it doesn't seem to be on Shogakukan's website anymore :S i'm not quite sure what you mean by "you know" though XD is there something else i should know? (you can email me if you prefer it not to be on my talk page, or i'm on AIM right now) --ZestyCactus 00:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, right. I'd be willing to take a guess that they aren't returning to that series...since the last one was released February 2011, right before the earthquake. I wouldn't add that to the pages since it's still speculation, but it's probably safe to say #2 is the last one for now. --ZestyCactus 01:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Symbols and Prints in Adventures

I was just wondering that should the Symbols Emerald obtains be included in the Emerald chapter page? And also the same for Platinum and Commemorative prints on Platinum chapter page? Արիանո 07:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Added them and I also need to ask you something: I added the "evolutions" and "party additions" sections in the Platinum chapter page. Dia and Pearl obtained Rotom in PS430 but it joined Dia's team in PS441. Which one should be listed on the page as the chapter in which Rotom was received? Արիանո 13:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

PS465 vs. ABW05

Sorry to bother you, but I don't know how to do this. On the PS464 page, there is a redlink that says "Vs Galvantula," which links to a nonexistent page. The same manga chapter exists as a page under the name ABW05. This problem holds true for up through ABW11 as well. I'd fix it, but I can't figure out how to redirect them to the right page. AGGRON989 21:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes, we have been leaving them at ABXX until the volumes come out, then moving them. But Volume 44 just came out, right? All epicoded articles are move-protected, so that's why you couldn't do it. I'll take care of it, thanks for reminder. So Volume 44 is from ABW05 until ABW11 in the same order, yes? --ZestyCactus 22:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure... I don't read the manga very much but it was a problem I noticed. I have no idea when Volume 44 came out. AGGRON989 22:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It was released on March 28th :P I'll look into it and double check before I move, thanks again :) --ZestyCactus 22:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering again but I've got a question regarding rounds too (or rather, their naming): This page says that the name of the round is "VS Pansage & Pansear & Panpour I" but this page says it's "VS Audino". If possible, could you clarify which one it is and fix the naming problem. It would help with the disambiguation pages. I believe that the first name is from Serebii and thus this thing should be checked. Արիանո 10:41, 7 April 2013 (UTC)