The placement of gas and drilling wastes in a salt dome for storage is far from the hubris of hyper-toxic nature of nuclear power anywhere… They just are not in the same ballpark by many powers of 10 IMO

The worst case of these 2 events is so lopsided… We have already come close to it in Fukushima… It has yet to arrive in LA and it may not happen at all..

I guess we both have our perceptions. Sure the sinkhole might have happened there, all the more reason for MAN to have not stored untold amounts of gasses in the neighborhood perhaps? I'm also not sure what you mean about slowdown? I am the last person to wish for any advancement in these directions.

It is you who has turned what I said into something more. I stand by my original statements.

In fact both situations share in common that men underestimated the stability of the geological realities present yet required to support their energy oriented endeavors. Both *projects* ultimately failed, causing serious local contamination and potential financial and health losses at least for the local residents, who were by and large unaware of the risks the companies had placed their neighborhoods in.

ftlt
"Both are man made???" the comment was not about magnatude which is "worse" but that both were results of man's actions. Dead is dead, and to the dead it does not matter if he is the only one or one of many…
"The sinkhole may have occured anyway…" what other salt dome has collapsed without the involvement of man…?
And there is no "drilling wastes" stored in Louisiana salt domes– the storage space is too valuable to be filled with drlg waste and become not reuseable.

I agree with you Thad, both are man amde. Now I disagree with NORM being injected into the caverns, because I have the proof, they have been doing so in 3 caverns since 1994, and was dug up by Paveway.

Whether Oxy 3 did or not is up for debate, but it is untrue to state there are no wastes in the caverns, because there is. I believe you were actually a part of that thread and know better. The failed Gulf South cavern was also re-purposed to handle sludge after it screwed up in 2003.

Did not consider 20 ft3 NORM contaminated pipescale as being "drilling waste". NORM is not derrived from drilling but from production.
I need to look at Gulf South Cavern again, knew of repurpose but read somewhere they had second thoughts and never used.

Anhydrites are mentioned that they fall out of the solution inside the cavern when mining

Sand is mentioned as a contaminant

For the external filtering and reinjection, I think they only talk about calcium and magnesium salt precipitates.

The reinjection slurry tank looks to have a grate for trucks to dump filter sludge. I guess all of that just settles to the bottom like the anhydrite.

I'm kind of wondering how that toxic brew reacts with the cavern's salt floor over time. Maybe it's eating holes through it.

Cutting and dropping 150,000 lbs of production string and having it slam into the bottom can't help, either. At some point, you exit the Louann Salt and you're in the high-pressure zone.

That's 3000psi, natural-gas saturated brine at 150F or so. If that found it's way into the bottom of a cavern, it would also find it's way through the top. That would be a hundred foot high scalding-hot brine guyser violently releasing the corked-up methane. It may continue for two minutes, or two months. Flip a coin.

PavewayIII
"toxic brew reacts with the cavern's salt floor over time. Maybe it's eating holes through it."
What toxic brew? the chemical compounds being put back are FROM the salt. As benign going back in as they were before when in the salt.
LouAnn salt bed? run 20,000-35,000 ft-"Cutting and dropping 150,000 lbs of production string and having it slam into the bottom–" Bottom of the cavern are ~5,500' so impact is on a salt bed 16,000 to 31,000 ft thick– The producting string is not falling through air but brine the bouyance factor is -1.3 impact is less that 80% of being droppen in air..
"3,000psi, natural-gas saturated brine at 150F" Not brine — salt as in solid salt- 3,000 PSI– normal overburden pressure of salt alone @ 20,000 ft ~19,000 psi

Rock and roll. This is the worst seismic activity I've seen at Bayiu Corn and Bella Rose locations yet. It is way off the charts… Many areas areas along the New Madrid, Nd even Disney world in FL are pretty frighten lay active today. Slow down? Yeah…well, YOU make it slow down. yOU make the seismic activity STOP building by the day.

In the formation of salt domes…the salt layer pushes up through the other geological layers.
The salt dome will continue to collapse.There is no impetus for it to stop.
The adjacent geological layers will also be affected at some point…IMHO.

The salt dome itself isn't going to collapse, HOTR. It's a living, growing thing. It is an extension of the 200 million year old Louann Salt Layer that underlies the entire gulf coast. The Napoleonville Salt Dome itself may have been growing for a million years. They're pretty durable. Man just made it ugly for the brief time they've infected the earth. Over geologic time spans, it will wipe out any evidence of the naked ape's current vandalism.

Look at the diagram on Page 9 of this .pdf and look at the Boggy Creek Dome – 'H' – called a diapir here. They haven't collapsed, melted or dissolved in the last few million years of damage.

rainbeaudais, how did you restrain yourself from flinging your camera straight at this joker's head!? He starts off by comparing the salt dome to a cake with a prize in it, then likens the imaging to your family photo album—here's you as a baby and now here you are all grown up, duh!—as if the audience is a pack of lobotomized idiots. Next he moves on to the metaphor of an ultrasound image, joking about how if it indicates a girl baby you'll get upset. Nobody laughed. At that point a lynch mob should have been gathering.

He mentions that in two months all the proposed imaging will be completed. They'll be able to see TWO MONTHS from today what condition things are in RIGHT NOW. Oh hey, sure, nothing catastrophic will happen in the next two months, so y'all just go home and invite the neighbors over for a BBQ. Methane gives your grilled chicken that special down home flavor…

Except that they will be actively trying to get the seismic events started up again, amberlight. This next one is going to be a doozy. At least Mr. Hill warned them this time. From the 7th to the 18th, while watching seismic activity go off the charts they just kept on 'thumping', then on the 19th, finished it off with the T-Rex. Not a word from anyone, and no warnings of the impending 'belch' or the massive amount of gas that came from Lake FUBAR!

LIVE FEEDS

Receive Occasional Enenews Newsletters

sending...

Name

E-mail

SUPPORT ENENews

ENENews receives no funding from anyone or anything, except 1) People who donate via the button below, and 2) Google, who pays for the two ad spots. Thanks to all who have donated or are planning on doing so, it's nice to know people appreciate your work.