Top Scientist: “Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine” — I’ve seen a paper which says it’s bye-bye Japan and to evacuate N. America’s west coast if Unit 4 goes after quake and rods are exposed (VIDEO)

David Suzuki is an award-winning scientist, environmentalist and broadcaster. […] Dr. Suzuki is a geneticist […] He held a research associateship in the Biology Division of Tennessee’s Oak Ridge National Lab […]

Wikipedia: Suzuki was awarded the Right Livelihood Award in 2009 […] In 2004, David Suzuki was selected as the greatest living Canadian in a CBC poll.

David Suzuki at the University of Alberta, October 30, 2013 (At 2:45 in): Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine. You ask, what can we do? First of all you have got a government that is in total collusion with Tepco, they’re lying through their teeth. […] The fourth one has been so badly damaged that the fear is if there’s another quake of a 7 or above that that building will go, and then all hell breaks loose. And the probability of a 7 or above quake in the next 3 years is over 95%. […] They don’t know what to do. We need to get a group of international experts to go in with complete freedom to do what they suggest. Right now the Japanese government has too much pride to admit that. I’ve seen a paper which says that if in fact the fourth plant goes under an earthquake and those rods are exposed, it’s bye-bye Japan, and everybody on the West Coast of North America should evacuate. Now if that isn’t terrifying, I don’t know what is.

Suzuki recently published an article down-playing the Fukushima-related risk to consumers of seafood caught off the west coast of North America. He compares ingesting nuclear waste from Fukushima to naturally occurring radiation and exposure from air travel. Other experts in Canada have discussed the risks, including Dr. Erica Frank and Gordon Edwards.

David Suzuki, Oct. 10, 2013: Despite Fukushima, scientists say eating West Coast fish is safe […] Trace amounts of radioisotopes from the Fukushima plant were found [in bluefin tuna off California’s coast], although the best available science puts them at levels below those naturally occurring in the environment around us. Natural, or background radiation, is found in many sources, including food items, medical treatments and air travel. The most comprehensive health assessment, by the World Health Organization, concludes radioactive particles that make their way to North America’s waters will have a limited effect on human health, with concentrations predicted to be below WHO safety levels. […] I’m taking a precautionary approach: fish will stay part of my diet, as long as they’re caught locally and sustainably, and will remain so until new research gives me pause to reconsider.

111 comments to Top Scientist: “Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine” — I’ve seen a paper which says it’s bye-bye Japan and to evacuate N. America’s west coast if Unit 4 goes after quake and rods are exposed (VIDEO)

WHAT "unit 4 rod extraction"? The whole thing might well have already toppled. Here there already HAS been another 7-plus quake AND the killer typhoons, and suddenly the US DOE secretary is rushing to Tokyo.

Now they are about to do a "unit 4 rod extraction"? Really?? Let them first reveal what the current condition even IS.

Suzuki says, " fish will stay part of my diet, as long as they’re caught locally and sustainably, and will remain so until new research gives me pause to reconsider."

I don't get this guy. Why is he ignoring what everbody else sees as a huge problem? That there's no probability of "new research" until the governments of CA and the US get ON it. They are obfuscating IMO as bad as the Japanese govt is obfuscating.

I'm starting to smell this one already. Run away. Save yourselves. And then all the resources in the ground are free for the taking. Been recording radiation on the North Coast of Canada since March 13 2011. My bullshit detector is binging.

That is SO rude and wrong. That woman has been a fabulous concerned activist for decades and who are YOU? Did it even occur to you that SHE IS A NATIVE AUSTRALIAN??? She will just be moving her family home. You would do the same. Please do NOT do this to Helen Caldicott.

But the way, she is also a pediatrician and been virtually SCREAMING about children's health in Japan. Her heart is breaking on the public stage. Please THINK before you do this again. It is offensive! Do NOT do this again!

Yes CP… The wealthy and influential will always get the best deal… Too focus on people like Caldicott is fair to a point…

However, in fairness to Caldicott, she did say she was planning on returning to her home in Oz right after the EQ and FUFU event took place….

The idea that the West Coast of the USA will be evacuated is nonsense… Just the rich will go… They will hire folks like you and me to protect their irradiated properties… And they will demand, tax write-offs if not incentives to do so… After all, they are the job creators – not to mention, that they and the children are special people..

I wonder, what will happen to land prices in Oz, NZ and the cone of S. America if the FUFU blows out in one big super nuclear puke… Certainly, all the first class seats going to the S.H. will be booked solid… The cat-fights and pissing matches as to who's more important at airports ticket kiosks will be classic stuff…

I'm glad you understand my point. I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone, it's just that it irks me when people who pretend to be helpful just flat-out say that they will bail out when the SHTF. What about the rest of us? No realistic suggestions there? No? We can't all fly to the southern hemisphere.

The truth is the majority of people are selfish. They only care about others if it doesn't affect them. Eventually, they switch into self-preservation mode.

I once knew someone who got knocked out from behind while returning home from a convenience store. Why, you ask? He was carrying some beer, and someone else wanted it. And his "friend" tipped the criminal off. What scum some people are! In my lifetime, I have encountered people who will do anything they want and lie about it afterwards. Life is a joke.

I've had kids throw large rocks at me while I was jogging, and they knew full well that I couldn't beat their ass without going to jail. These kids will grow into adults without knowing a thing about Fukushima. They will, however, be the first to riot, pillage and murder if the food supply is disrupted due to the effects of the Fukushima situation getting out of control.

I hope anyone reading this will understand why I hate people who talk about blowing out of the northern hemisphere when the SHTF. It's an insult to those of us who won't be able to do the same. I wish they would just shut the hell up and leave now.

Agreed.
The problem is not Dr Caldicott or the 'elites'–it is the US government and the CA governments that are putting us all at risk by not forcing the Japanese govt to take on international scientists to help them do what needs to be done. (Equal opp: the UK and French govts have been and are doing the same thing.)

Those in governments understand that if there is a drastic race to evac. anywhere, govt officials go FIRST!!! It's not like maritime law where the cap'n getsoff the ship last.

corium, I understand where you are coming from, and yes, it is all very disheartening the way things in this/our world are currently designed to favor those that can afford it.

You understand the street, as I do, and that sometimes can make us very angry about what we see and/or have to put up with especially when we see that same street operation mentality/practice/playing out within our own by law institutions.

But, I think it might be her accent and style that gives her that step up above perception felt by others during her presentations. It's not a bad thing, but more of a some may not like her style scenario.

I think we all need to give her a "free pass" and we must all understand that if we/you/us hate Nuclear Technology then the Nuclear Warriors speaking out against these atrocities need our protection and, even yes, the ability to flee harms way in order to continue on with the needed fight and flight towards the light.

Billions of people will have too shelter in place and that is the sad current world reality. You, on the other hand, sound like a sharp guy/gal and surely if needed could find the wear with all to relocate if you chose/wanted too. Many of us could and it might be a tough struggle and/but for many it will be a personal decision/choice.

We must keep the battle and our individual spirits strong, since this will be a very long tedious battle and let's all let her do her thing and then be thankful for what is that she does for us all.

Instead of stooping to hatred why not use that energy to review the those things that give rise to your feelings of being stuck where you are. There are always options available. It is merely a question of what are you willing to do to change your current situation.

If you are broke and need money, do what I did a year ago and start collecting and selling bottles and cans from the side of roads. If you have kids, get them to help. I average $8.00 an hour from the cans and bottles and often find other things that I can sell as well. I do this while riding my bicycle with a child trailer attached, and have made over ten thousand dollars and also found some incredible things. Scavenging may not be glamorous, but it pays as much, or often better, than a part time job and you have no schedule, no boss (you can't get fired), and you pay no taxes. You also get your earnings at the end of every day, if you choose to cash in everyday.

TEPCO is NOT "doing it." You think that there was a recent 7-plus quake, two killer typhoons, and the US DOE secretary FINALLY rushing to Japan to insist on international cooperation, and that must mean that TEPCO is about to rescue us from (the probably now topped) SPF4?

Chances are way higher than NO ONE is doing this. We just don't have damage reports yet.

The reality train is on the track over thataway. You might try getting on board.

Where have YOU been? At "behappy"? TEPCO has not done one competent thing since this began. It's been a pack of lies and cover-ups, and they have the blood of millions of their own Japanese on their hands, not to mention everyone else in the world, including the plants, animals and fish.

Funny they just had a 7.2 earth quake few days ago and a 3 meter tsunami. Then they had a typhoon that rained over 18 inches in hours. If you believe anything these Ass wipes are saying your not thinking with your head. Evacuate the west coast the land there is about to be cheap as hell and about as hot….The pacific is already dead go to the beach surf in invisible death…

There will probably now be international collusion on SOMETHING. Unclear what. Not sure that removal of deadly rods which have as likely as not already crashed, will be the first priority.

By the way, are we all looking at photos of SPF4? It's twisted, crushed, criss-crossed metal and what looks like blown-out windows. And the rods (if they are still there) have to be lifted out MANUALLY. Even if this were NON-radioactive, and they would just send in a construction crew to lift out fantastically heavy twisted rods without them either touching each other or crashing down, they would do it HOW? Lift them out through WHERE?

But now that the US DOE secretary has personally gone to Tokyo, they will do SOMETHING. Maybe coordinate internationally on a new pack of lies, for all we know. We actually just don't yet know.

Yes…look at the pictures of that mess. All that debris…all that structural steel lying about in all those pitiful pools…and yet they want you and I to believe that "NOT ONE OF THE RODS TOUCHED ANOTHER" when the steel came raining down, and that in pumping in millions of gallons of HIGHLY CORROSIVE seawater they will come right out? HA!

Which is one of the reasons we have chosen to shelter-in-place in desert cities CA, where precipitation in our part of the valley is less than 2"/year.

The closing of the aging, leaking, San Onofre reactor, 100 upwind miles from us, was the 2nd deciding factor.

Each month we are adding to our stock of rad mediation equipment, meds, canned foods and gear: none of our friends or neighbors want to hear about the upcoming disaster, nor will they benefit when they ultimately come to our door asking for help.

Jump ball, in the movies it is always the 'prepper' who the unprepared go to for food…

if you are a prepper you would have to also be prepared to protect your 'stash', which could ultimately lead to violence and killings….turning away your neighbour is just wrong.

Seriously preppers, can you prepare for this? How long could you survive on the supplies you are collecting now.
and if you do survive,what will there be left to come out of the shelter for?
You will all b fighting each other, and will definitely have lost the spirit of mankind anyway.
I would rather die than have to kill people for food…

@mungo;"I would rather die than have to kill people for food"-yeah,I concur with you-especially your closing statement! 🙁 I "used" to be a prepper,but just because I happened to be proficient with firearms,survival tactics & gear & "improvising things"(IMHO,lol) But since the reality of 311 and the magnitude of the domino effect on ALL of the NPP's in the path of the radioactive shitstorm that would follow SFP#4(or the ones they DON'T even dare mention??!)collapsing etc.-I don't think I want to be around to find out,even from afar where it's supposedly "safer"(?)!! 😐 It's bad enough just imagining the carnage that would ensue and what the mutated face of humanity would look like as each new generation of survivors who might be able to adapt to living in such an environment after years of eating radioactive shit! 🙁 I guess the elite who knew & were directly responsible for their parts in bringing us to that point would finally be able to be recognized for what they are since their exteriors will look the same as their black hearts inside though….. sigh…oh well,maybe I'll get lucky and die in my sleep on 11/7 so I won't have to see any of this unnecessary bullshit go down(?)! 🙁 They can have it ALL

"He held a research associateship in the Biology Division of Tennessee’s Oak Ridge National Lab […]"

"I’ve seen a paper which says that if in fact the fourth plant goes under an earthquake and those rods are exposed, it’s bye-bye Japan, and everybody on the West Coast of North America should evacuate."

The biology division?..he doesn't need to read a paper to know what is up here?

David is a media whore. I take what he says with a grain of Celtic sea salt.

He went down my throat thirty years ago at a large gathering of teachers when I asked him for his opinion regarding UFOs. He tried to make me feel small for asking such questions about something he thought, or was told to say, was clearly not possible. Of course, those of us who come from elsewhere knew that he was full of s..t back then already. Just because somebody has a Ph.D, does not make them highly insightful or intelligent, even. To some of us, who have spent years in public education facilities being indoctrinated, but woke up eventually, think of the letters standing for, Piled higher, Deeper. It is just the nature of things. Some Doctors heal and others don't.

I told a dancer from Jamaica tonight about Fukushima and that she should remove fish and seafood from her diet. She said that would be impossible since her only real source of protein is from seafood; she doesn't eat red meat or chicken. She said she would die without fish.

I told her she will die if she continues to eat fish.

People are stupid. I think they should film a video of the starfish eating each other and then disintegrating so that the gravity of the current situation can get through people's thick skulls.

I am no longer worried about the welfare of others because people don't listen.

zardoz yes, AND/BUT… There are MANY national cultures on the sea in that same situation. Like Japan! Or would one prefer Japanese beef or chicken? They will literally not know what to eat or not have substitutes. Eating itself could well become a panic situation. And what of when the soil becomes contaminated?

Yes worldwide contamination is inevitable. I am cursed with a strong survival instinct so in my mind I'm thinking "last as long as I possibly can", which is probably the path to serious suffering in a situation like this.

Zardoz…Its not a question of surviving any more.Be like a great warrior and prepare to meet your fate as we will all have to prepare to meet ours…For such petty ambitious greedy people have cut the road to the worlds lifeline and the world is bleeding with no way to stop the disaster that has been given to us as a gift of their self destructive idiocy..

Was it really a good idea to out of state craft some countries decided to treat Japan as an enemy?And where has this foolish plotting left us?If you cut off your limbs to save your politics a good idea?There is no death for those who did any of this just eternal pain without beginning or end. The heroes among us will die once the cowards and fools will exist in some state for ever.

It's never been a question of ultimate survival, given the fact that death is universal in all generations. Always has been, always will be. The true existential issue is how much time we get here inside of time. Some get more, some get less. It has always been thus.

To enjoy our time in time, to care for our physicality and the physicality around us – tread lightly on the earth – is good. I took a health survey not long ago on how long I'd live, and was honest about my vices. Told me I'd live to be 99, whether I liked it or not. Been thinking a lot lately about who in their right mind would want to be 99… remembering my great-grandmother Big-Mama's 100th birthday party. She was crippled and blind, living in a nursing home. She blew out the candle and said,

"Lord, I thank you for a hundred good years, and if there's more I'll thank you as well. But if it's allright with you, I'd just as soon go."

…and died that night in her sleep. Guess as [if] I approach my late 90s I'll hold to that ideal of graceful exit. Don't know if that's what I'll get.

Mostly we don't want to have to suffer, lose our selves, die years before we're ready. But we may not get a break in the end. Fuku's going to cut a lot of time from a lot of lives. For a lot of generations.

People have been programmed to believe in authorities. Since the authorities are not saying anything about the dangers of eating Pacific creatures, the deaf, dumb, and blind will just continue on the way they always have.

As for Stephen Harper, he should be in jail, what is he still doing walking about? Actually, all federal and provincial government members; politicians and bureaucrats ought to be in jail; for they are all traitors and criminals. They are fortunate to be living in this century. In an other time they would have been drawn and quartered.

Yup, programmed from birth to believe AND obey and it continues throughout life.
People break from one source of authority or another or a few, often to replace them with others, but rare it is to break from them all.

Z2012, there not much left that has not been touched by radiation from Fukushima. GOD gave a brain to think, the problem is so many think about themselves & wealth, I had my way poor & & healthy!

World leaders will start dropping like they should for not doing the right things or their kids, but hell they don't care about their own kids, right?
You bet you ass they have some hidden naturial cures for the sickness they deploy on the billions, but , hey these may not work & that huge mounatian in Norway full of seeds will do them no good! The end may get them faster than they wanted!
FUKUSHIMA IS HERE TO STAY!

"They" may have THOUGHT they had "hidden natural cures," and more money can usually buy better medicine, but this is so way out of control, that I don't know that we can make that kind of blanket statement at all. "They" still live in this world and the whole of the world's genomes are being wrecked.

Oh, but "they" will just go underground forever? Not quite enviable, come to think of it.

Isn't it interesting how we keep getting told about what may have already happened like it's an "if"?! "IF" a quake of 7 or higher hits? There has ALREADY been a new quake of 7-plus and the U.S. DOE secretary went to Tokyo to say this now has to become an international effort!! He didn't go there because it's an "if"!!!

Bottom line: It is SO scary, and PERMANENTLY so, and there have been so many lies and cover-ups, and no one can get near now due to deadly danger. that it's all being framed as "IF," when likely as not, it does mean "ALREADY."

Read that this has ALREADY happened and you get closer to the real picture IMHO.

If 4's pool is as dangerous as they say then there is no way TEPCO is going to be allowed to oversee it. I bet every move while removing fuel will be overseen by GE. Probably have a computer program up and running by now to re-computerize the entire operation except with more parameters to take into consideration things like tensile load when the assembly won't pullout, earthquake awareness and off gassing sensors, etc.

'Tepco rejects disclosing the name of the company to be in the operation of reactor4 fuel removal'

"Tepco stated they won’t disclose the name of the company to operate the cranes to remove fuel assemblies from reactor4 pool. The reason is not clear.

GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Game over who ever thought that Nevil Shutes On The Beach would be so prophetic…..Remember T S Elliots:"This is the way the world ends this is the way the world ends this is the way the world ends not with a bang but a whimper.."

Nuclear experimentation in weaponry.was justified by the idea that Germany might get the ultimate weapon first, and,.therefore,.we might live under the Third Reich.

Next was the "commie" threat that "justified" continuing the experimentation.

Now we have the Islamic threat that justifies the experimentation.

Plus, we have the concept of the peaceful atom to justify the expenditures on the nuclear experimentation.

After multiple meltdowns and above ground testing that polluted the atmosphere, land and water, and the threat is larger than ever, I would say that the wimper is right but would not rule out the bang. I feel both will happen.

International cooperation on obfuscation will fix nothing. Truth is the only thing that works, as- if the full truth were made known to the public when these death machines were being conjured-up they never would have been allowed to exist. Now all genomes are sacrificed on the alter of too cheap to meter electricity. The invisible people never got/get the truth from tptb.

Sol Man yes if the truth had been known but so much efford was put into supression and lying about nuclear energy and this is the fruit of all the lies and covering up the reality of on coming world destruction…..Now its way to late to do anything but disappear from this dying earth.Yes Vengeance is useless now so is all the petty emotions.. the damage has been done.I apologise for my reaction..I should learn to be more self contained. Anger also does nothing.

Well, I moved to Nicaragua on business slightly over six weeks ago. I have kept up with this ongoing catastrophe since day one. I hope being here and eating clean, natural foods will detox my system from any rads uptake I may have encountered while living in GA. I do not trust the govt, EPA, NRC, et al. They, along with the Japanese govt and TEPCO have BS'd us from day one. If one has the means to come down here, it is probably the safest Central American country to visit or to live in. Costa Rica is nice too from what I hear and will soon find out. If unit four goes, I def would get the hell off the west coast for sure….

hegelianga says, "If unit four goes, I def would get the hell off the west coast for sure…."

why do people keep saying this? the rads are going everywhere in the northern hemisphere. i don't really want to breath in the sea spray, but really i'm not seeing lower rads on the east coast or even in the mid west…follow the jet stream….

@hegelianga and expat in chile: Yes Nic is in the north, but like Songie just said, follow the jetstream. Fuku-relative–I don't recall the js passing over Central America. I did see it lightly clip the top northwestern piece of Mexico a couple times. But the crap will eventually get around by means other than the jetstream. And it doesn't mean Central A. will be completely untouched forever; what to speak of, NPP's in S.A. could have problems sometime. I see one on the East Coast near Piracicaba and two in the area of Buenos Aires. Most of the middle and north seem clear. But moving south does buy more time. I was in Mexico for almost a year but the forces that be drove me out. I was trying for S.A. but didn't have the resources. Good luck, you, me, and all.
Ummm…Nic has one or two other little issues…

Unit 4 may already have burned. Ruse. Early talk of it burning. Let international news teams fly over and get detailed photos of the site. For those news people brave enough to go on ground, let them bring in their own Geiger Counters and take lots of photos. We have no real believable documentation regarding the condition of the site. We have two foggy cameras whose feed we are not sure we can trust. HDTV camera on the mountain with live feed to Internet, please?

David Suzuki has been awfully quiet for the past 2 years. Why is that? He screams loud for every other eco-disaster but has waited until the situation is past critical to make a peep on a radiation disaster that will make all others look like nothing in comparison. And the rest of the world sits silent while we all become irradiated as well….where are our governments and enviro agencies?

Exactly. The US govt knew from Day One, surely the others did as well. Why wait till now? Why not jump in there 3 years ago? We know why–to maximize profits here and there. But if they had jumped in earlier with some humanitarian compassion everything could have been saved all the way around. And those looking to their profits–would they have lost anything? I dunno. Oh, look…I used "profit" and "humanitarian" in the same sentence. Silly me.

A doctorate degree is no biggie. It isn't rocket science as to what needs to be done. I favor those with good analytical skills who can tap the technical knowledge of experts while understanding that humans are playing with a fire that cannot be put out. Likewise, burning carbon fuels will probably change the climate enough to destroy the biosphere. Fire or ice, as the poem says, either will suffice.

Our economic and political system is oligarchical. The few make the big bucks on the backs of the others. This has most likely been the cases since the times of hunters and gatherers.

Anthropologically speaking, man was able to outsmart his environment in order to survive ice ages. This was no small feat. Yet, that same advance in intelligence is limited by the undeying reptilian brain. The neo-cortex did not, unfortunately, confer upon man wisdom. The Prometheus myth or the Icarus myth shows that the ancient Greeks understood man's inherent limitations via a vis his environment and his relationship to nature. Dr. Suzuki gets it, even if he made a few dollars – that doesn't make him a bad guy.

I had all these discussions back in the 50s and 60s. Why are so few people just now waking up to these realities when we are in the end game? The answer is in the misfit between the neocortex and the reptilian brain. Our genes are already defective – we are not Devine.

The potential lifespan of our species is limited. All species either evolve or go extinct. The sun itselve will burn out.

NASA likes plutonium since it can fuel space exploration and provide trust. But the human species is not likely to leave this planet of the Apes. Here we belong. But it is the law of the jungle, now complimented by anthropomorphic seeds of planetary distruction.

We may as well just prepare for the end and make peace within ourselfs and with each other. Acceptance of our fates will bring the supreme understanding. Did the pyramids of Egypt bring immortity after all the heavy lifting? The answer is "no." With financial capitalism save us from our own nature? Certainly not. It is all a cruel joke. No species has ever been immortal in the fossil record. Enjoy what is left. Be kind to yourselves.

@mungo
You pose vital issues: 1) How long could you survive on the supplies you are collecting now.(Where I live there is no source of water, so in collapse I can't go buy RO "camel" water); 2)what will there be left to come out of the shelter for?; 3)You will all be fighting each other. I would rather die than have to kill people for food…
The last one has been on my mind a long time: at what lowered level of "quality of life" does it make sense to live??

yes, i agree WNTF, it a massive group dilemna, but which will be decided one person at a time, each for themselves.

so, if all enewsers on the west coast (it's really not that many people on this forum) fled the area, I doubt that would lead to a mass economic disruption.

I also agree with Zardoz, the survival instinct is strong, it's not just you, it's built in….

that said, "evacuating the west coast" seems pointless, but getting out of the sea spray, staying out of the rain or moving to a drier climate could actually greatly lessen the blunt of contamination.

can i get a show of hands of those who agree? doomsday farewells and well wishes are good as far as they go, but lots of people are trying to make practical decisions here. we are not going to die tomorrow.

@ Songie re fleeing:
Sacramento California here. If I were able to, I would bug out. However, I get to stay here even though I know better. Why? Because a few years ago my husband and I were badly injured in a car wreck caused by a semi on the freeway. So now we are both disabled. The quality of life and ability to function for those with disabilities is very limited in S. America. I have been in many countries and curb cuts, ramps, accessible transportation and so forth are non existant most places. Why bother going to the East Coast? The rads will show up there just a little later than they will show up here. For those who can flee, please do so.

@ Ana: so sorry to hear of your situation, but know that most people are going to be in your situation, disabled or not. I would have left for south america months ago but my 24-yr-old daughter refuses to go, even for a vacation. now, why on earth would I flee to "safety" and leave her here.

remember zeolite, vit C, stay out of the rain, don't eat fish or mushrooms…and at least in sacramento it doesn't rain as much as it does in oregon/washington…..

Here are the counter-arguments to ending my life that I grapple with: 1)it would make the predators most happy–"learned helplessness"/mass suicide are a psychopath's wet dream; 2)I am angry enough to want to see how it plays out, the good vs the bad guys; and to do my part 3)there may be a higher plan (Pascal's Wager); 4)as I increase meditation and other inner work, I just seem to get stronger.

If I die, let it be as a human being with spirit and dignity; the Native Americans fought to the end and could say "it's a good day to die" as a result. But then they were not sick from radiation: that may be my criterion in the last analysis.

Seeker, I TOTALLY get what you are saying.
My biggest counter argument I that I have children.
None of us will know how this will all end, in 100 years this still won't be resolved and cleaned up.in 1000 years ditto.ad infinitum.

I live in Salem Oregon, about an hour from the coast. I grew up in the '60's, what used to be unincorporated north part of Denver, down wind from Rocky Flats. I doubt I will be going anywhere. God knows what I already have inside me. I feel called to be a witness.

Events often have a way of surprising everyone. Just like the salt water for reactor meltdown cooling they used for nearly two weeks when 311 occurred because it was easily available when fresh water was scarce and more importantly the nuclear Brainiacs felt the worst effect would be metal corrosion. Bzzzzt! Wrong! The radioactive sulfur gases the salt water was producing was going to sterilize every male in the Northern Hemisphere. Oops! Kan sez: Now let's see how fast Uncle Sammy's navy can rustle up some barges of freshwater and we will run a water pipeline up the Fukushima mountain. Damn fast.

My take on the impending tricky rod removal is they are quite likely to have a fairly major onsite sizzle, but probably won't blow the whole building. I am guessing they have four or five Putzmeister water pumps ready to spray tons of water remotely on the opposite side of Unit 4. There is more than meets the eye I am guessing.

So they have a sizzle, run away like in Monty Python, and then water it profusely (and remotely) for a few days and then send back their small band of Kamikazes for another session of Death at Daiichi.

This could go on for years… the promises, the lies, the propaganda. Come to think of it…it already has gone on for years. 🙂

I think it all already happened. Now the Owners of All have finally decided what they are going to do to us and have got their script written. For two years they moved stocks and bonds around and divided TEPCO so there is no liability to those who own the stocks or bonds. Japanese government will pick up the tab and when that does not work everyone else (you and me) will pick up the tab.
Now that all that money moving and paper pushing is done so their bank accounts are not impacted, they will stage a fake removal, have a fake sizzle or stir up a real sizzle, and then be shocked to announce the disaster that supposedly just happened which we know already did happen. Then GE et al get to make their billions doing remediation and the medical/pharmacy complex gets to make their billions doing treatment of the dying.
I don't care if anyone thinks I am paranoid. I have spent some years studying Wall Street, have 41 years experience with legislators and know how the real world works.

Ana I had a similar thought – a staged accident that happens on schedule – but the fact that they are actually delaying the process makes me think that this removal is actually a legitimate process, (not just for show) and that indeed there is still SOMETHING inside SPF 4 to remove..?

Or, whatever ducks that needed to be in a row before the scheduled 'accident' still isn't in a row yet – perhaps that's the only reason for this delay…

I live in Maine. Thank goodness we can get most food from local sources but they still manage to pack the veggie isle with stuff from California (although it just says USA) but I check where it is processed. NETC lights up like a Christmas tree on the east coast every time it rains but there is no way of determining the source of the radiation increases – since no one measures components – just beta and gamma radiation. My geiger counter shows pretty normal background but testing rain water wiped off my car onto a paper towle makes it click a lot more frequently than just around the yard – so I know something is raining out here – and will make its way into local veggies and dairy products. Inside the house seems fine for now. When will anyone release data from the Pacific Ocean – component testing and radiation results – same with rainfall testing in every state around the country and report the results? I would like to know if we have air born Plutonium, Ceasium, Tritium for instance. Everything is speculation without hard data to look at. It's very frustrating to keep looking for data and finding nothing. I would also like data on alpha source stuff in the air and rain. Not bad externally but internally its awful. Its hard to believe that TPTB are not in the process of taking some precautions – like moving from the west coast – but again to where? No one can buy their way out of this mess I fear.
Just a note – fall was just dull – no real color here.

hmmm…Several people have mentioned that our fall foliage in the Mid-Atlantic has been slow or more dull, but I noticed that now in November, it looks like bright, peak levels of color in Maryland, anyway…It seems the warmer weather in the fall may hold it back?..

Thanks for the info. on Maine! Yes, they use CA, now "USA,"produce at most of the nice chain restaurants, too… 🙁

I don't think we're AS saturated as the West Coast (sitting ducks), but the East Coast won't be spared if Unit 4 blows sky high–not so much! That's more like "lights out" for the North America…

I'm so sorry about the Pacific and West Coast though.

It seems like fertility and childbirth are still quite good here. I don't know of any babies or kids who are struggling so much. I personally do not know anyone with thyroid conditions since 3/11.

But, I do know a young woman who tells me that all her symptoms kicked in only after she got drenched while riding her bike in the rain during the fall of 2011 (when the Jet Stream from Japan was hanging directly overhead of us out here!!). That is when it all started for her, although she had no predisposition, family history, or existing health problems. Now she has Multiple Sclerosis and is declining, which is such a shock!!.. When I hear what she is facing and when it started for her, it makes you wonder!..:( Chernobyl is very instructive. 🙁

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