24 Hard Facts About 9/11 That Cannot Be Debunked

9/11 has been one of the biggest events in recent history that sparked a mass awakening across the world. There has been much debate as to how it happened, who is responsible and why. To this day about 1/3 of americans do not believe the official story. In other areas of the world as much as 90% of the country does not believe the official story.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’. “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?”. Norman Minetta testimony. “Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.”, ‘NORAD Drills’.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail” Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracy”, “The whitehouse has played cover up”, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘Moussaoui trial’ revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. ‘Sheraton Hotel’, “Double tree’, ‘Citgo”.

9) 100’s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. “Like you’re in a foundry”, “NIST’s John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal”, ‘Swiss Cheese’, “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” Leslie Robertson’.

16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania” Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.” Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attack”.

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTS”, ‘WTC power downs’.

22) “Who killed John O’Neil?”. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed hijackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 hijackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the hijacking code. ‘Alive hijackers’, ‘ACARS’, ‘Pilots for 9/11 Truth’.

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001 in 6.5 Seconds at free fall acceleration. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.

The mayor of new york stated in a press conference just after the collapse of WTC7 that the building was brought down with controlled demolition due to structural damage. Only those watching the news that evening saw this … the next day the story was changed. Controlled demolition takes months of planning and weeks to set up … not hours.

This thread is running in ridiculous circles..starting to miss christ j..least he kept forward flow to the conversation of many looking for answers without allowing the same drivel to be repeated over and over..I dont completely agree with anyone on this thread..but regurgitating the same hearsay over and over gets us no where but back in the same ignorant spot we started from.

So please before you post on this thread or any other for that matter do plenty of research and research that research. There is a lifetime worth of reading on this subject and before you spread the knowledge you have accumulated please make damn sure that at least sum facts are presented in the information thats posted cause some of us are tired of reading the same disinformation.

Alot of people are searching for the truth by reading through as many articles and comment sections as they can. And by repeatedly posting false information just to slightly have a say in a conversation that you have so minutely researched and aggressively defend accomplishes nothing but turning the very ones you hope to reach away from your perspective.

Obviously there is many lies and false science being pushed on everyone thats willing to listen so the truth always stays buried. So when trying to educate those of us looking for any new relevant facts pertaining to the biggest argument of all time posting facts that can easily be disproven by only scrolling down to old posts can be very aggravating.

That being said, keep reading, keep looking deeper, keep questioning, but please dont just post a off hand comment or sumthing you heard or read that has no credibility to the discussion cause it just holds everyone back. Just my two cents

i was actually there with 2 blocks away with about 50 medics and cops. they started shout back like a bicketbrigade line, they’re bringin down 7, move back. at that point everoyone from the the front of that line started running towards us. we were between the bridge and 7 and within minutes it was calamity. one cop fell, and her gun when spinning past my feet. two nurse scooped her up and she scrambled to pock up her gun and kept running. i just ran back with theme, but there wasnt really any debris/smoke like the main buildings. eventually i came back up the hill and walked further south. it was a complete ghost town, quiet and snowing ash. completely surreal.

WHO was saying “they’re bringin down 7″? If you were 2 blocks away, how many demolition charges did you hear before and during the collapse? You were 2 blocks away because the FDNY decided to set up a safety perimeter around the burning hi-rise at ~2:30 PM, citing concerns over the fire-induced structural instability.

I do not know the source of the initial warning. We were on Park Row near Ann St. The call started from people that where near Church St, and they were calling back to others “they’re bringin down 7… move back, move back”. The crowd for the most part ran back towards that one overpass where it splits out several ways.

As for how I got through, at this point there was not a unified barrier. As we were coming down from uptown, they were blocking off random streets, but there wasn’t enough man power to keep it on everyblock. The other two guys I was with split off just before we got through to the park there, as it was getting harder to sneak through the lines as things got more coordinated. It was the NYPD not the NYFD that were keeping the lines. NYFD were further down south past Gold St, I have one photo of the clock (by that time it was around 2:30 if i recall), and 30 or so them sitting underneath just completely defeated cleaning their eyes and so on.

I made it about 6 or so more blocks south to around Dey st and came back up, walking along broadway, and like I said there was no one anywhere, no cops, nothing. just smashed cars, ambulances, and everything covered in a about 6 inches of white powdery soot, litered with everything imaginable from the tower, shoes, post cards from vacations, notes and papers from peoples desks all kinds of odd things you find in an office building.

Dr Judy Wood has brought us closer to the truth than any other researcher in this area through her monumental work Where Did The Towers Go?. http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/ is bursting with hard scientific facts proving the depth of this conspiracy. This is one of the most significant books of our time. It teaches us that seismic readings from across the US on 9/11 prove what the footage reveals: those two 500,000 tonne towers were turned into powder before they hit the ground. The Directed Energy Weapon used to achieve this remarkable feat was obviously not deployed and covered up by Al Qaeda.

Sorry, Wieck, but there is no documentation that “all” the structural steel of the towers was recovered. Look at the video. You can SEE steel turning to dust as it falls! Photographs of the former bases of towers 1 and 2 taken on 9/11 and 9/12 show that their debris ‘stacks’ were less than 15% of what they would have been after a pancake collapse or controlled demolition. Structural steel of the remnants of building 3, 4, 5 an 6, which were partially or largely dustified at the same time, was significant. This is what is generally shown while interviewees talk about “the stack”. This steel was largely removed, except a portion shoring up the corner of the wall holding out the Hudson River. Furthermore, in the debris field from towers 1 and 2 there were no computers, desks, filing cabinets, porcelain fixtures or crushed but otherwise intact bodies. Nor did the seismic records for the disappearance of 1 and 2 have P or S waves, only surface waves from the bedrock rebounding after being unloaded suddenly. Judy Wood is the most sane and well grounded person I have read or heard discussing the destruction of the seven WTC buildings on 9/11.

So, all the records of the cleanup have been magically falsified? There is, of course, copious documentation of the amount of debris, including structural steel, that was removed to the various holding centers.

There is no process known to science that “dustifies” steel. Judy Wood is mad. You see gypsum wallboard and concrete being pulverized by the immense forces generated by the collapse of the building. The steel was ALL found on the ground. NONE of it turned to dust.

You are peddling absurd falsehoods. The S and P waves are easy to perceive in the Lamont-Doherty seismic data. Judy’s incompetence does not excuse her dishonesty.

Nobody imagines that porcelain would survive the forces generated by the collapses. You are unaware of the many objects that did survive because you want to pretend that records of the cleanup do not exist.

There is a reason why Judy Wood will NEVER face a real scientist or engineer in debate. It’s the same reason she will NEVER attempt to publish in a technical journal.

And it’s the same reason you would NEVER dream of visiting me on ‘Hardfire’ to defend the 24 lies you posit as “evidence.”

I have posited nothing here. I have commented only on a small portion of what someone else posited.

You seem skeptical of whether steel can be turned to dust. First examine the evidence. To convince yourself, all you have to do is to watch the HD slo-mo videos of the ‘collapses’ – you can plainly see it happening before your eyes. How can you be so blind? Of course, the process is not going to be in science textbooks. It is far from standard Newtonian physics, relatively new, and undoubtedly regarded as top secret by whichever corporation or government developed the process. One could almost say that 9/11 served chiefly (or largely) as a warning to potential competitors or foes: “We have the power. Don’t mess with us.”

I did not say there was no record of steel being removed from the WTC site. I said it could not possibly have come from the towers, because photographs on 9/11 and 9/12 did NOT show that amount of debris FROM THE TOWERS. Almost all the steel that remained comprised the remnants of buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6.

I concur with puppypincher and I want to add that before you draw at any conclusions like controlled demolition as being the cause of destruction be sure you find all the available empirical evidence and then use your own critical thinking skills to determine what happened at the WTC complex. I also recommend Dr. Judy Wood’s book, “Where Did The Towers Go?” to find more empirical evidence that the researchers who promote controlled demolition very seldom talk about.

Judy Wood is a disinfo agent who intends to make 9/11 Truth movement appear ridiculous by suggesting “space beams” brought down the tower. She is a paid shill whose theories do not rely at all on the scientific method. She has appeared in zero peer-reviewed journals.

You Ebymby are a liar. She is not a disinfo agent. She is the only qualified person (physics doctorate) who has collected all the evidence of multiple types and analyzed it objectively. She does not use the term “space beams” in her publication. You are the psyops shill, I suspect.

If the 9/11 “truth movement” ever had to show us on video with audio the secret explosive cutting of W14 X 730 columns like the ones in all 4 corners of the towers’ cores, and 11 of the 24 in WTC 7’s core, the 4.91″ flanges and 3.07″ webs would be all that’s necessary to make them “appear ridiculous.”

You have not of course challenged any of the evidence only attempted to discredit Dr Wood’s character! That kind of thing doesn’t work any more especially when one compares your little bundle of theories about her with her detailed scientific findings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1NbBxDGSkI

Also not mentioned is that the owner of the two towers was facing a huge build to bring the buildings up to code. Just a couple of months before 9/11 he just happened to take out a terrorist attack policy. Does anyone find this interesting timing? Lucky for him they attacked AFTER he got the insurance.

There was NO asbestos in the South Tower or WTC 7, and only the bottom 39 floors of the North Tower had any, most of which had been removed in various tenant fit-outs prior to 2001. The code change took effect after the North Tower was closed in, so some “hot” SFRM was used there until its use was outlawed.

read above about where I was, but there was def something. near the end of me walking back up Broadway from Dey, my skin and eyes started to burn a bit, from the ash that was falling like snow. It wasn’t until I got all the way back up to the top near Park Row, that I was just ready to get out of there. A cop walk up and asked if I was ok cuz i couldn’t see very well at that point, and said politely maybe I should leave. I said yup, having a hard time seeing, leaving now. God only knows what was in the air that day, though I’ll never forget that smell (plastic, rubber, metal and god knows what else burning).

The dust and smoke were undoubtedly highly toxic, and there’s asbestos in most buildings, but there was not an “asbestos problem” in any of the 3 collapsed WTC hi-rises because of the code change while the towers were being built and the abatement in the North Tower’s lower floors done well before 2001.

Lol, you guys are nuts. When you google any those keywords you just get a tonne more conspiracy theory sites and sometimes a mainstream article that is very vaguely related. The conspiracy theorists then twist that article to the max just to suit their agenda. Believe it or not there is big money to be made from Conspiracy theories if you know how to do it right. Lots of people eg. Alex Jones are making a good living out of selling this BS and the advertisements on their sites and radio stations.

Lots of money resulted from the official story too. Homeland Security, two wars, Silverstein’s insurance payout, cleanup, construction, etc. Easy, taxpayer money to the corporatists. I call it corruption on a grand scale. (it added to the deficit)

Silverstein’s insurance payout wasn’t taxpayer money to Swiss Re, Lloyd’s, Zurich Financial, Copenhagen Re, and the 8 other insurance companies that paid him a total of $4.68 billion for 9/11-related losses, nor did it cover even half of what he lost in the 9/11 al Qaeda suicide attacks on the US.

@Johnsie@nospam.com…. ” Lots of people eg. Alex Jones are making a good living out of selling this BS and the advertisements on their sites and radio stations” .So are the mainstream media mouthpieces!!! Now what’s your point??????????????????????????

lol 1700 structural engineers declared this a physical impossibility… but I’m sure you just know so much more about structural engineering than they do… Pls, by all means, start debunking these. Go on, exercise that genius of yours, that superior intellect, and debunk us. What’s that? You can’t? All you can do is mutter like a mongrel and dismiss without investigation? Thought so.

Well I’ve been a welder for 24 years & I know that airliners run on “Paraffin” or “Kerosene” to you “Americans” & I also know that a fire fuelled by kerosene would not melt steel that is capable of holding thousands of tons of concrete……..

You are a fool, Johnsie. No11body (outside of war-profiteering contractors) made more money off of the 9/11 attacks than Larry Silverstein who walked away with $7 BILLION. Wake the fuck up or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

How do owner/lessees make money when they lose all cash flow for a decade+ and are contractually obligated to rebuild at a cost that’s more than twice what the insurance paid? Since the total settlement was ~$4.68 billion, he hardly “walked away with $7 BILLION,” now did he? Any thoughts on why at least 12 different insurance companies, some of which are foreign-based, all paid him that $4.68 billion if there was any legitimate question about the causes of the WTC collapses? Did they make money on 9/11 too?

look at all these people.. it amazes me how people think theyre “awake”, just because they “know what to think.” This guy is doing what we like to call “critical reading” you know..the same thing that were supposed to do with EVERYTHING we read, whether its a government message, or a civilian one. dont be hypocrites, the guy has reasonable answers to questions, dont condemn him because he doesnt have all the answers. bloggers do just what he said they do, they sensationalize. doesnt matter what side theyre on

Actually the only fools here are those whom choose to be the useful idiots in the social entrepreneurship hoax called the big lie. This whole creation of unsubstantiated internet rumor that is backed only by opinion and academic frauds. The people that sell opinion as fact with out physical evidence are just theologians and philosophers using the big lie of the National Libertarian Socialist party. They fund these 811truth groups and organize labor unions and big lie campaigns such as occupy to get socialist elected Obama was their candidate so they started the I hate George W Bush regime big lie it was effective to place every socialist labor group organizer in a position of power.

So you can reject the more obscure facts of the case because you say they are too difficult to prove but please, just to humor me, explain away the hard facts of the case, the ones that are easily verified, like why did it take Bush over a year to empanel a commission to investigate 9/11 and why did that commission only receive 1/4 of what the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal investigative committee received. Or how do you discredit the report of 1,700 independent structural engineers who say what happened was a physical impossibility or why over 500 1st responders were barred from testifying to the commission about the secondary explosions they witnessed. Or how the BBC reporter reported prematurely that bldg 7 had collapsed. These facts are all on the books and easily verified so please expalin how some CTer made them up for his or her own benefit.

The 1600 people say it should be investigated further, not that there was actually a some sort of false flag attack. There are hell of alot more than 1600 engineers in the world and there is no evidence as to how many of them are actually experts in investigating fire damage. Many other experts have said the the collapse was caused by a fire in the building. The people who carried out those studies were actually experts in that field. On the other hand my car mechanic could call himself an engineer and sign that petition.

Why did Bush take a year? Because it takes time to do anything in US politics. Also because there was alot of people on the ground investigating a crime.

Why so little spending on the investigation? The job was done just fine with the allocated budget. Maybe you didn’t like the outcome of the investigation, but the conclusions were made and most people apart from conspiracy theorists were happy with the outcome.

How did the BBC report something before it happened? They were sending the data via a live video feed by satellite to the UK. Audio required less bandwidth for transmission than video. There may have been a degree of lag due to the fact that so many live transmissions were going on at the same time.

You ask alot of questions, but quite alot of your questions can have perfectly rational explanations. May you just want to believe something and want the answers to be some conspiracy, but it’s just as likely that the answers to your questions are perfectly legit and not the theory that you want.

I honestly don’t expect you to even watch that, I just put it there because a few of the points mentioned in this article are gathered from there. It is only too apparent that your own perspective of things is already set in stone, and you’re only here to make conflict with people who are providing information that they think is more legitimate than what you may hear from authorities. I bid you a good day, and I will remain hopeful that you perhaps open your mind to things that you don’t already believe. And for the record, Alex Jones is a fear mongering douche, acting as nothing but a figurehead to parade around and give people like you something to point at and compare to when you see people like myself. If he was actually making any good difference like perhaps he thought he was, he’d have been taken out a long time ago.

I think his sources are pretty apparent at the end of each statement with all the agency names, reports and people named, all an intelligent individual needs to do is use that information and search for your own links to sources. Or do you need something carved in stone to believe the duplicitousness of the people implicated by these facts?

your advice requires critical thinking.. doing the research by and for oneself using the information provided. for ‘truthers’, such pragmatism and logical inquiry is innate and obvious, however, to a ‘mainstream media’ adherent this is outside the box, scary and questionable. better to be spoon fed palatable pulp by a familiar mother than to forage for sustenance of dubious provenance if you don’t have the discrimination between the nutritious and the toxic. the evidence is obvious to those that see it but a mirage to those that fear the fact that all their long held beliefs are worthless.

I am so glad that everbody now understands,, even if you are many many years behind.
Now we need all focus on two other topic’s… The Terminator seed, which is going to wipe out the food as we know it… full control over the food is the way to rule the people… and 2. The FEMA coffin’s and camps.. Now my belief is that they are not dispossible,, and this is why they call them dispossible..” Because I bet they are not.”
why would they make such large cofin’s and why not use pine it would be cheaper.
There is something very bad about Fema.. so please peole study and share what ever you find. Why would others want to end and control the human race… there are nazi’s everywhere maybe it has to do with them,, I do not know but lets hurry this one out of the bag..google what you can and find friends that live close by for updates.. good luck.

To Phillip Marsh- I have read that the buildings were full of asbestos- therefore rehabbing them would have been cost prohibitive, but the owner had a 7B insurance policy on them that included terrorist attacks. It all STINKS and the first responders were put at great risk and are being denied care. I would love to see the manifest of the planes allowed to fly out to Saudi Arabia. I am sure the “alledged” amateur pilots were on those planes laughing their a– off over the dupe. I just re-watched Farenheit 911. Michael Moore was so right on.

the sources are right there at the end of each statement, all the agencies, reports and people named isn’t enough for you to take and do your own fact checking with? Or you want it easy? Something carved in stone to verify the duplicitousness of the people implicated by these facts.

While I do not believe the attacks were anything as media portrayed some of these facts presented here are not truly accurate. One in particular I noticed is “$2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon” which was not money actually missing but difficult to track due to poor accounting and outdated systems, see: http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=430

If you really believe the government is capable of pulling off a conspiracy on this scale without getting caught then you must have never worked in a government institution. Most government workers are desk jockeys at best with basic admin skills.Most government institutions are badly organized.

You think the job was done just fine with $15 Million? You are a goose. This is the biggest crime perpetrated on American soil and the “investigation” didn’t even start for over a year. Bin Ladin was blamed yet the “investigation” had no proof. Bush and Cheney testified together for the commission behind closed doors not under oath with no notes taken of their conversation, you think that’s OK?. The steel was shipped to the four corners of the globe in record time without it being tested so as to understand why the buildings came down. 100’s of witnesses and first responders were banned from testifying and those that did, like Barry Jennings and Rodriguez were not mentioned in the report. And no! your car mechanic cannot call himself a Engineer or Architect you silly little boy. I think your mamma is calling so I will stop here.

Johnsie, if a few years after Pearl Harbor someone had said that the U.S. government had known that the attack was going to happen and allowed it to in order to have an excuse to get into the war, that person would have been crucified. After 50 years, when documents were declassified, it was proven that that, indeed was the case. Mark my words: I don´t know if you´ll be alive several decades from now, but the same thing will happen with 9/11.

You said it yourself right there, most government workers are desk jockeys with only basic admin skills and most government institutions are poorly organized. So, by your own statement here, most gov’t. workers are merely sheeple, but that is only “most”. What about the ones who are not, the ones who have the most at stake if the senate gets ahold of the Ernst&Young accounting documents for Enron that were kept in WTC bldg#7 and had just been subpeonaed to the senate investigative committee right before the attacks on the WTC occurred, not to mention all the other banks’ financial documents that would have implicated them in what we now call the LIBOR scandal which was going on even back then? So what about the highly intelligent individuals standing at the top of the government, or in the shadows of the government? You saying they would be incapable of pulling this off. It doesn’t take an army of people to arrange a coordinated attack on a large scale. Just ask General Giap how he managed to organize the Tet offensive without even letting his own government know what he was doing.

They couldn’t even pull Watergate off without getting caught. There is such a thing as whistleblowers, and if you talk about killing planes and buildings full of people then of course someone would blow the whistle. I think you’re grossly overestimating the capabilities of a big, clunky government.

@johnsie@nospam.com
first you say google only brings up more conspiracy theories, then you say use google to see most of these claims have been debunked. If thats right, then using google will only bring up more lies and idiots like yourself about the debunking. You contradict yourself the same way the gov’t lies about 9/11. The gov’t has the media behind them, media is controlled by the gov’t. These so called terrorist attacks are nothing more then big fat lies to benefit those of war. In other words, usa goes to war, there are people that will get filthy rich from the war.
you sound like you work for the gov’t. cause your trying to change everyones mind and get them to believe your way, which is, the gov’t had nothing to do with it. Ok, your gov’t is freakin perfect they had nothing to do with. Thats why they are tryin to bring in the nwo, cause your gov’t wants control of the world, total control. I can tell you now, that Australia is under the thumb of usa, if we didnt do what your poofy gov’t wanted, we wouldnt be here. Why do you think they went to iraq? was it for wmd’s? i bet your answer will be yes it was!. But, funny thing is, they killed saddam, never found wmd’s.hmmm, interesting. so why kill saddam then if he didnt have wmd’s? i’ll tell you why, the only answer i have found so far on the net, is because firstly, they sent in a jackal, to negotiate a deal where saddam hands over his riches, he declined, so then they sent in a assassin, he failed to assassinate saddam because he had bodyguards all the time, so then they sent the military in to finish the job. Point being in all this, its americas way, or no way at all. Japan, the big earthquake and tsunmai, apparently it was done with a nuke drilled into the ocean floor, again, america wanted japans money, at first japan declined, so, usa blew the nuke, caused the earthquake, and asked again, but said this time if you decline, it will be a nuke in mt fuji, near tokyo. They assassinated a prime minister in one of the countrys along the nile i think it was cause he declined. You think your gov’t is incompetent? you need to wake the fuck and use google and youtube. There are whistleblowers, and this is how i know all the above, because the whilsteblower is a retired jackal and is on youtube. If you wanna stay in your perfect world where your gov’t never lies and always speaks the truth, and want to be a troll to everyone else here that knows the facts,and is AWAKE, then fuck off, go stick your head back in the sand or up your ass where ever you sleep, cause you will wake oneday just like the other sheeple who obey and make out their gov’t is for the good of mankind, to see total devastation across the globe and say” what the fuck happened” Your gov’t. is trying to start ww3. the way things are going, we’re goin to be lucky to make it to 2020. My estimate, is around 2015 to 2017.
But then, idiots like you will still be saying, naaaa, our govt wouldnt do that, they are not capable of it, they are sheeple and have basic admin skills. Really? i think not. They have sources to use, some we have never heard of. cia fbi are just 2 everyone knows about, what about the ones we dont know about? they are more then capable, dont underestimate them, cause thats what they are doing with us, thinking everyone will just believe them, well, they fucked up, cause not everyone believes them and they have underestimated us!!!
now piss off with your propaganda bs and lies, or wake up to yourself!

If I had not been aware of the “loose change” views of 9/11 This article would not make a bit of sense to me! You have more 1 word sentences in here than I care to count. I’m thinking that those who would first, take the time to read it would give up. It’s a bunch of goobagleeglop. Try again! and this time pretend you have never spent a lick of time researching 9/11. What the heck has happened to writing something regular uninformed people could understand?

Ok that’s true.but we are all aware that there was chatter about terrorist with possible plans to run planes into buildings for some time prior to this happening.The wtc was a prime target and had already been hit once .It would stand to reason that keeping its security force on top and informed would include knowledge of this fact…. wouldn’t you take out insurance?

I think it’s important we keep emotions and judgment aside and we observe critically. By making the statement above it does not help to address what was written but instead sets it aside because of what media has suggested about people who question anything. Hence the conspiracy slurs. Let’s try and actually look at each of these crucially and see if we can in fact debunk them or prove them to be incorrect. That would be a great start I feel.

Why do my comments here keep disappearing, Joe? Do actual facts distress you that much? Your “facts that cannot be debunked” are all very easily debunked, but permitting honest dialog is necessary for doing it.

How was the USS Liberty a false flag? Israel admitted guilt right away and the attack did not instigate any retribution. The OKC and WTC bombings were not false flag attacks either. It is quite a leap to go from Northwoods, a report supposedly put out by the government in the 60’s talking about small scale false flag attacks, to the US using planes to strike US cities and causing thousands of deaths. With some of the news reports, like OBL reported dead in Dec. 01, some of the hijackers reported alive, and WTC reported down 20 minutes early; isn’t it more likely that the reporters were wrong? In regards to Flight 93, you say Cheney shot it down, then later say there was no plane. Which was it?
You forgot about the pentagon. The plane supposedly flew over the pentagon, did a 180, then struck the west wall. The thing is, the pentagon was going through a renovation and the small section that the plane struck was the only section that had been renovated. There was nothing of great importance stored in that section, it was the best protected if a fire or bomb were to occur, most of the staff was relocated to other sections of the pentagon, and most of the critical functions of the pentagon were run from the section that the plane was on track for before it flew over and turned around.

Uh, that would be “patience,” not “patients,” Joe, but thanks for posting my comments. All of your “facts” have been very thoroughly debunked; you apparently limited your research to 9/11 troofer web sites.
Please note: The PAPD ran security at the WTC; Securacom/Stratesec only furnished and installed electronic surveillance equipment under PANYNJ contracts that started after the 1993 North Tower bombing by the same folks who sent suicide hijackers in 2001. Since they apparently weren’t very good at it, their share of the business there had been declining for several years.
GeeDubya’s younger brother Marvin was on the board of directors, but left his position ~15 months before 9/11. Board members don’t run day-to-day operations, and there’s no known connection between the Bush family and Wirt Walker. No one running security at the WTC or the airports where the hijacked flights originated would have prevented the attacks or the subsequent fire-induced building collapses. The AQ hijackers flew frequently, and looked just like anyone else. One in each crew had an FAA commercial pilot certificate earned from training in Boeing cockpit simulators, and since they weren’t professional pilots, that’s a rather strange hobby, innit?

I’ve read the debunking site you link to. It’s sources are certainly no more credible than the Architects and Engineers who have formed ae for 9/11 truth. In fact, less so. And you have to ask, why on earth would literally 1000s of qualified architects and engineers bother to put their reputations at risk unless they thought there was something seriously amiss with the story as it has been presented?

There are far more questions than answers in regard to 9/11 – and the inconsistencies in the ‘official’ story demand that any sane person would question it.

There are also many inconsistencies and logical fallacies that are not mentioned here. The trail of ‘evidence’ left by the alleged hijackers being one of many that absolutely stinks. I like this simple expose of the plethora of inconsistencies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDfxB9nUfDc

Every single point here about the 911 “conspiracy” is debunked, usually with a plethora of sources and first hand accounts. You are welcome (Not that anyone needs this sight if they have common sense). The testimonies about wtc7 are enough to show how either 1. blind you are for believing this or 2. are purposely lying to make money, which makes you the biggest jerk in the universe. I hope you are just blinded.

Also, I love how you don’t show the videos of wtc7 with huge gaping holes with fire and smoke flying out, but instead just show the side of the building without any damage. It is pretty pathetic…

Please urge your “over a thousand architects and engineers” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges,﻿ 3.07″ webs, and﻿ 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core, Joe:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
If they ever HAD TO do it, “debate” OVER.

Indeed, the debate has been over for quite a while. The seven WTC buildings were destroyed by directed energy weaponry. There is NO other explanation for all the empirical evidence. Fortunately, a fully referenced book is available that lays out and comments on all of this evidence is available, despite an essential boycott of the author by U.S. publishers.

There is no orthodox way to describe how these building fell apart, because such a type of destruction by directed energy weaponry (buildings turning to dust as they fell) had never before been witnessed by so many people. No one (myself included) was able to grasp what was happening at the time. I, and many others, however, recognized that it was something very strange/unusual.

People who understand WHAT happened to the seven WTC buildings on 9/11 are NOT a CULT. That is a pure ad hominem attack and marks you as a shill for the industry hell-bent on upholding the fraudulent NIST report. You, nor anyone, can deny the facts about what happened that day. There are too many lines of evidence.

There are over a thousand architects and engineers who agree that what took place on 9/11 could not have been a natural collapse of a building and in fact was a controlled demolition. People looking at something critically does not suggest they are part of a cult. This is merely a word throw around because people get upset that people choose to think differently about things.

PLENTY of steel-framed buildings have collapsed solely from fire:https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst
WTC 7 is the first HI-RISE to do it, and NCSTAR 1A fully explains why it did. The biggest problems were asymmetry in the col. 79 area, exceptionally long interior spans, simple gravity connections to interior columns, and lack of water pressure to sprinklers and fire hoses because the main was severed in the North Tower collapse.

Johnsie, I see you have been on every post selling the official story. It seems like you are paid to do so and I won’t be surprised. At least change your nickname / email, you are making it too obvious.
One simple question for you to think about:
You are aware the WTC7 was brought down by explosives right? (they admit it, if you don’t know)
So HOW would they wire the entire building with explosives for a couple of hours? Explain that.

There never were any so called “Twin Towers”. They were a holographic projection created by The Illuminati an the Free Masons to hide the Alien Mothership. 9/11 was simply the launch to return the ship home. EVERYONE in New York knows this, and they were all paid off by the Jews and the Commies! There, did that cover all the crazy for you? Because that was just as true and legitimate as any of the totally fabricated “facts” from this article. As someone who witnessed some of the Pentagon attack, first hand, I say screw you! Take your crazy and blow it out your ass. Don’t be sheep, do some actual real world research that does not include conspiracy pages, and we can talk. Ass.

“Witnessed some of the Pentagon attack” ? So is it true the plane vaporized into that little hole in the side of the building? (Just like flight 93 vaporized in a field on impact?) Your real world info comes from the Government and the media? Who’s the sheep here?

Unfortunately, those who still buy ‘the official story’ will probably continue to do so. It’s far easier to believe what the government and media has said is true than it is to question it and the implications that come with that. For those who’s minds aren’t closed like a steel vault, here’s a site that has many questions that continue to go unanswered with any legitimate results. http://www.ae911truth.org/evidence.html

Funny how one thing someone finds on the internet can completely disprove another thing someone else finds on the internet. Same principle applies to eye-witness testimony; someone remind me whether or not it’s considered reliable? – and why? The ONLY medium of Fact is Science, and even science can be shaky when applied to human error (either witting or unwitting). Not all people who find doubt in ‘official reports’ are conspiracy loons. Not all that accept the ‘official reports’ are brainwashed sheeple. Never trust someone that claims to have The Answer. Always align yourself to its constant pursuit. Question Everything. Keep your mind open.

At the risk of starting a shitstorm, would you mind clearly stating what you do believe actually happened. Most conspiracy theory sites list suspect items to question but don’t link them together with their proposed theory. Who do you feel was actually behind this, specifically please? And would you mind giving your full assesment of what you think actually happened and why. You have obviously spent a lot of time and effort on this, so I would be curious to read your entire theory. Thank you

Hey Mo,
I am not the original writer of this list, I am just sharing it for another. But I do feel after my years of research into this event that I have come to various understandings. While I cant say any of it for certain, what I can say for certain is that the official story is false. That is a fact and evidence shows this. That being the case, what is written above are all facts as well which need to be taken into consideration when looking at the whole event. After my research, my feeling is that this event was orchestrated in agreement by the US gov’t and other entities involved. I think there are various factors that show the government is 100% hiding things about this and I feel most who look at it with an open mind can see very quickly that the official story is not factual.

I think another key factor is the idea of “conspiracy theories.” This really isn’t directed at you but more so just something we all need to think about. We must realize that this is a term used to help deter people from thinking critically. Every time the term conspiracy theory is used it comes with a negative connotation. one that suggests the person looking into them is crazy or not intelligent etc. It is very much a way for government and media to label critical thinkers (who are a threat) as something that is undesirable and crazy. Let’s say I said to you while at a grocery story, that lemons were 7 times as good for you as oranges. This may not sit well with you in your thinking so you decide to go home and do a little research. You did and you found out that I was wrong. Would you then be a crazy conspiracy theorist? No, you simply started to look into something that at face value did not make sense to you. The truth is, this is what most people have done when it comes to 9/11. They hear it, see it, realize that the official story is at best a 2/10 in terms of something that has any legitimacy and then they began doing research. “Conspiracy theorists” as they are called, generally have nothing to gain from thinking critically other than trying to get closer to the truth. The government or corporations running these types of events on the other hand, have a great deal to gain from telling their lies. This is another very big factor to look into.

I don’t have a full theory of a front to back orchestration. But I do know that there are a number of signs pointing to explosives, no passenger planes and a lot of fake events.
Hope this answered things a little further. I am in no way an expert of every single detail about 9/11 but I have spent years looking over various bits of information as they come.

Well said Joe, I dislike the way we’re all labeled as “conspiracy freaks” when all we do is see something we believe to be questionable, the most glaringly obvious one in relation to this event is the “Plane” that supposedly hit the Pentagon, one would have to be a monumental retard to believe that was a plane……

AA77 was tracked by air traffic controllers on primary radar to the Pentagon, where it disappeared from the screens. The FDR, recently decoded by Warren Stutt, shows the impact. Over a hundred witnesses are on record as having seen the plane hit the building. Wreckage from AA11 was found on the lawn and inside the building. The remains of 53 of the 58 passengers and crew members were found inside the building and identfied by DNA testing. Calls made from seatback phones describe the hijacking as it progressed. The five hijackers can be seen on video.

There’s an official story available for all this that some of us choose to believe because it makes some kind of sense and fits with our current world-view. This happens not only with 9/11, but in many areas. But, there are big elephants in a lot of rooms. Some of them implicate things about our civilization that many of us can’t stomach. The biggest fallacy, I think, is that we sometimes believe there are conspiracies to be investigated and bad people that could be removed and then the current world could transform into a beautiful place where we all could live in harmony. I wish it was that “simple”.

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