After breaking off talks Tuesday in New York with no resolution in sight for a collective bargaining agreement, officials for the NHL and the union planned to touch base late Wednesday to see if there was any sense in meeting Thursday and Friday in Toronto.

Both days have been set aside for bargaining, but if there's nothing to talk about there's no use getting together.

The two sides haven't been able to find common ground on the smallest issues. NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told reporters in New York the league is waiting for Donald Fehr and the union to come up with a new proposal.

The NHL office shouldn't count on it. Sportsnet's John Shannon and Nick Kypreos reported Wednesday that Fehr, during a conference call with union reps Monday, offered to give the NHL a new proposal and was told no by the players.

"The players feel like they've given enough with their first proposal and they don't want to give anymore," Kypreos said. "There were more than 60 players on that call and, if they're going to make a new proposal, they want to see the league give them something back first.

"I don't think it has to be anything big, either. They just want to see the league change something in their last proposal that shows they want to negotiate as well."