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Asb I have a facial recognition problem, I don't know who you are and I don't mind. As my first point was:

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1-skill for leadership: Protection of the party against any danger.

I understand that the thread was voluntarily hi-jacked because the protection of the party is not important for you. Or that your leadership is not to protect the people.

What hurt me more is that accident is very difficult to place in categories. For example, the results is the same between an accident whit a driver who fall a sleep an past a stop and whit a bad driver. the result is going to be the same: people are going to be injure.

As a leader, I care more of the safety of my party than to have fun. Fun is an extra when every thing go well and you can try chalenging things.

I know what that means: the use of drill was banish in state park, there is a cliff close by the owner, climbing is not considered in the same way as hunting when you are in private propreity, people are not as much attrack by the sport, less people stop at the bottom of cathedral to see the climber, the mt washington is technically close at the first sign of wind... and people who are injure are not injure because they made mistake, but because they read that they can trad climb with self belaying in a 5.9-5.10 and think that they can try a 5.7 at canon without all the skill describe above.

There is lots of Devil"s work in this thread. I am going to have to go to church or flagellate myself or something.

On second thought, I think I will have to put a little more Cognac in my morning coffee.

on my second trip up the climber's trail at cathedral on my knees praying to the Trad Gods that my eyes and soul be cleansed of this evil. Flagellations will resume with pink spandex and my 1990's petzl dogbones...oh the humanity

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"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you will be a mile away from them and you will have their shoes."

I think its important to get back on topic here. I fear for your safety too guys. It is very important to know how to properly place and use protection especially in some of the potentially dangerous situations mentioned above.

For some of the older gents here, you may have to add the steps: Take the little blue pill, and: Place oxygen mask over mouth

If you use the blue pill is that aid F!@#ing as opposed to sport? IMO the use of oxygen takes away a little bit from the purity and style of the endeavour. I am not knocking those who use it, I am not anyone's judge. I find it worthy to note that our reference bible on this subject, Freedom of the Karma Sutra says nothing of oxygen or Viagra. So well there you have it! On another tangent (I ask this for a friend) Is the use of certain enlargement type pumps or pill supplements considered cheating(kind of like using a stick clip)? Pretty sure that falls under aid F*@$ing not sport

For some of the older gents here, you may have to add the steps: Take the little blue pill, and: Place oxygen mask over mouth

I resemble that. Besides, it's well known that oxygen deprivation enhances the high, so fu punks, we are having more fun. And the blue pill is definitely sport f#@king: only enjoyed by incompetents and posers.