Go big: Immigration activists beg Obama to legalize eight million illegals or more

posted at 8:41 pm on August 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

The number kicked around for the past few months was five or six million. That’s not good enough for immigration groups, who want to see something closer to eight figures. And once you’re creeping up towards 10 million, there’s really no point in having eligibility criteria at all. Just legalize everyone, no questions asked.

Honestly, if we’re going to have the president dictate national policy, what’s the sense in demanding that he do it by half-measures? Instead of dipping a toe into our new antidemocratic age, let’s swan dive.

Marielena Hincapié, the executive director of the National Immigration Law Center, said that’s a start but it must go farther.

“I think that will be part of it, parents of U.S. citizens, but I don’t think they can stop there, they can try,” she told BuzzFeed. “There are also parents of DREAMers, and the vehicle for that to happen is deferred action.”…

“The NILC is thinking much broader,” Hincapié said. “We believe he has strong legal footing to provide broad and expansive relief like the 9 to 10 million in the Senate bill. As long as the administration can develop a clear set of criteria like family ties or ties to the U.S. workforce, I can see that businesses would want workers to be included even if they don’t have citizen family members.”…

[Lorella Praeli of United We Dream] added that DACA should be revamped because some people, like well-known activist Jose Antonio Vargas, aged out and were not eligible for legal status from the program.

She said her organization believes 6 to 8 million people could be protected by the president, rather than 2 or 3 million.

Parents of citizens, parents of DREAMers, would-be DREAMers who are too old for DREAM now, even people with “ties to the workforce” — who would be left once the eligibility lines are drawn that broadly? When the dust settles, the only person who doesn’t qualify will be one old man from Guatemala who got here less than a year ago, and then we’ll go ahead and legalize him too just because it’d be cruel to leave him out. But maybe I’m reading this wrong; maybe the reason amnesty shills are upping their demands is because they know the drift in public opinion is towards security and away from legalization, in which case the only way to make Obama stand firm at five or six million is to try pulling him even further left. In fact, here’s a tantalizing poll from last week that Laura Ingraham mentioned on the air today:

Immigration is only the 6th-most-important issue for Latino voters in California when casting a vote for a candidate for U.S. Senator or for U.S. Congress, according to a statewide survey conducted by Univision…

An overwhelming 86% of those surveyed support comprehensive immigration reform. However, a majority–53%–of registered Latino voters in California also answered that they believe that, “…we should require borders to be secured before providing a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.”

Furthermore, when asked, “Which of the following is your major concern or complaint about the Republican Party?”, only ten percent of those surveyed named Republican opposition to immigration reform.

Luis Gutierrez has taken to threatening Republicans with the prospect of two million new Latino voters racing to the polls in November, but the reality is different. It’s older white voters who turn out en masse for midterms; Latino turnout tends to drop off, which is why Brendan Nyhan of The Upshot calls O’s impending decision to issue his mass amnesty before November instead of after “inexplicable.” It’s really not inexplicable — he seems convinced that his base will stay home if he doesn’t do something flashy on immigration, the risk of a backlash notwithstanding. But the higher activists’ expectations get, the more of a bind it puts O in. Conceivably, he could legalize a million illegals and infuriate both the right (which opposes executive amnesty on principle) and the left (which wants the broadest executive amnesty possible). Good luck, champ.

He thinks he can, and the reprobates who hate this nation will do all they can to encourage him to take another step towards fascism and the fundamental destruction of this nation.

The bigger question is – Does he have the cojones to push the envelope this far in order to pander to a bankrupt special interest?

Given the poll numbers on amnesty – and the resulting blowback if he does act, my bet is if he acts at all, it will be a far smaller group of illegals gaining status via Presidential dictatorial proclamation.

Uhhh I don’t think it would be wise given the poll numbers which are very very against his handling of this mess thus far. So 5 or 6 million suddenly legalized through legally questionable tactics won’t go over well at all.

Since BO has no respect for our laws and the Constitution it’s easy to see why they’re pushing him to do this.

They know he is weak, feckless and reckless.

But I agree with Schad …. “Go ahead and make our day…”

People are pi$$ed – finally. And the Dems may find that they lose some voters. There’s no love lost between the black contingent and Latinos from what I’ve seen – not here on the ground where they’re all fighting for benies and jobs.

Here’s an even better idea… Why don’t we just grant amnesty to every single living and breathing person (the living and breathing part is not a requirement for dem voters) not a require in the 3rd world. Heck why don’t we just trade countries?

“We believe he has strong legal footing to provide broad and expansive relief like the 9 to 10 million in the Senate bill. As long as the administration can develop a clear set of criteria like family ties or ties to the U.S. workforce,

so the next president can make them illegal? eff these proggtards. rule of law now.

Here’s an even better idea… Why don’t we just grant amnesty to every single living and breathing person (the living and breathing part is optional for dem voters) not a require in the 3rd world. Heck why don’t we just trade countries?

They sneak in, stay, now they march onDC, protest in congressman’s offices, interrupt politicians having dinner, now they beg/intimidate Obama into giving these law breakers a free ride. The ones waiting in line & paying their dues are never mentioned. What happens to them?

If Obama does use his pen & phone to magically make 8 million illegals – legal…..

It will be the end of the democratic party……those new Latino voters won’t have anyone to vote for in 2016. Plus the new conservative right will use everything in their power to reverse what Obama does re: immigration…. the deportation hubs will be real busy for the next 20 years.

Legal citizens (you know, the ones who pay the Senate’s salary) beg their leaders in the Senate to listen to their constituents, adhere to the constitution, and follow the rule of law.

31giddyup on August 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM

And those Senate leaders, in both parties, tell legal citizens,

Shut the f**k up, b!tch. Once we have all those new au pairs and gardeners voting for us, we don’t need you any more.

And we can finally get on with the business of taxing you at 1000%, taking your property, confiscating your guns, cars, and everything else we believe only we should have, and remaking this evil country into agrarian socialist Utopia- with sprinkles!

Don’t like it?

DIE.

Codevilla had it correct. The Ruling Class has decided that the only real “threat” is the Country Class. Which they define as “Everybody Who Is Not Us”.

It will be the end of the democratic party……those new Latino voters won’t have anyone to vote for in 2016. Plus the new conservative right will use everything in their power to reverse what Obama does re: immigration…. the deportation hubs will be real busy for the next 20 years.

redguy on August 11, 2014 at 9:04 PM

From your lips to God’s ears.

The Dems pulled one on Reagan, and they know/believe it can happen again. Once illegals are here they’re here to stay.

The Dems believe this will secure political dominance for them – one party rule which tells us how regressive they are.

The truth is they are fomenting unrest, chaos and anarchy. It’s a recipe for disaster, but they don’t care. It’s all about those at the top receiving what they feel is their due.

Can President Barack Obama temporarily legalize 5 million undocumented immigrants by himself?

That question has sparked a heated debate as the White House ponders the legal questions surrounding an unprecedented executive action on immigration that it says it will unveil by the end of this summer. The political implications are explosive as conservative Republicans are already floating impeachment of Obama if he unilaterally grants relief to millions of undocumented immigrants.

So, how much power does Obama have in this area?

Experts agree that the president has wide discretion to decide which migrants to target for deportation under the law enforcement theory of prosecutorial discretion. There are roughly 11 million immigrants in the U.S. illegally and officials have to prioritize which ones to remove. The Supreme Court reaffirmed that wide latitude in the 2012 ruling Arizona v. US, in which the justices said key provisions of Arizona’s strict immigration law ran afoul of federal supremacy in the area.

“Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy in the majority decision, joined by four other justices.

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 10:00 PM Ned you fool the president can’t write or create laws and this would be both of those usurping congress who makes law’s Obama is no king and he will get no respect for this Dem suicide move…

The Supreme Court reaffirmed that wide latitude in the 2012 ruling Arizona v. US, in which the justices said key provisions of Arizona’s strict immigration law ran afoul of federal supremacy in the area.

“Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy in the majority decision, joined by four other justices.

Two things with regards to Immigration:

1. Federal Supremacy – No state rights bull shite allowed
2. Broad discretion for immigration officials – meaning President Obama can direct the agency and tell ‘Do not pursue deportation’. They will not get green card or citizenship but the can stay here and get work permit and not have to live in fear of deportation.

The next president will then be tested on whether they have the cajones to reverse this!

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 10:14 PM That’s selective enforcement of a law and it’s lawless with no legal standing but hey if you want Obama to pull the trigger on this go ahead it will be political suicide.

You sad, stupid, ignorant little piece of shit. Maybe, you should actually read the articles you cut and paste from.

“They can’t do things like grant permanent legal status because how you get permanent legal status is in statute already,” said Bob Sakaniwa, senior associate director at the American Immigration Lawyers Association. “So there are things that are less than permanent legal status in this area that the president can consider.”

The problems emerge when considering the scope of such an action. Experts in this area say there’s no black-and-white answer to exactly how many immigrants a president can defer action for before it becomes an abuse of his authority.

“There’s no question that past presidents have enjoyed considerable discretion in the immigration area. However, this president’s past actions [i.e. DACA] raise very troubling questions under the separation of powers,” said Jonathan Turley, a professor at George Washington University Law School. “The suggestion that the president may alter the status of millions of undocumented individuals would magnify those concerns. … What President Obama is contemplating is quite different in magnitude from prior actions.”

sorrowen on August 11, 2014 at 10:16 PM
LOL! Weak and Impotent. Obama will say, “Bite me”!
Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 10:18 PM
I’m not the one blowing my party’s brains out with a executive amnesty nor do I have a sociopathic dem president about to throw his party to the sharks….

President Obama did the exact same thing with the DREAM Act kids just 4 months before 2012 election. Marco Rubio was crafting a legislation in June 2012 for DREAMERS to save Mitt Romeny’s behind with Latinos.

President Obama trumped Marco with his executive action and deny Mittens any chance of rehabilitating his image with Latinos.

The GOP could not do a thing against his executive action. And President Obama won the election handily with the eager Latino volunteers helping out his 2012 campaign.

Ned it’s not a dictatorship three co-equal branches of government. Congress writes the law and the president ENFORCES them. He can’t write law and he can’t legislate via fiat though he is trying and failing at that to like with everything else.

HumpBot Salvation on August 11, 2014 at 10:18 PM
sorrowen on August 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM
Also, Ignorant Fool, did you notice that Boehner and GOP sued Obama for delaying the employer mandate but did not ever mention his DACA executive order? Ha!!
That tells you all you need to know!
Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 10:34 PM
You’re hyper hole and deflection reminds me of when I crushed atheists in debates…you use reactive deflection often I see….

Whatever number they toss around, always triple it. We were told 11 million back in 2005/2006. How on earth has the illegal head count remained static after 8 years and the major influx of even more coming across hoping to get in before any door might shut?

By egging the potus to do this for the “browns”, they will only help ensure said browns both native/legal and illegal face the backlash wrath. A race driven routing thanks to the craven would be plantation masters (dnc, establishment elites and COC).

Ned Pepper on August 11, 2014 at 10:48 PM No it is lawless congress can only change law and this would be changing law to the detriment of everyone including the people crossing the boarder. We are a constitutional republic not a monarchy Obama will destroy his own party by doing this and all you can think of are the legalities? This would create a backlash that would ruin the democrates for decades and yet you want him to follow. I’m starting to think you Dem’s are Lemmings….walken off that high cliff to oblivion.

Oh dear! Trouble starting to brew in the Sanctuary City of San Francisco…

This article talks about how welcome the ILLEGAL unaccompanied minors will be when school starts next week.

But if you read the comments on this article, San Francisco Parents are getting angry about the resources that are being spent on these ILLEGAL aliens.

The San Francisco Unified School District, a nationwide leader in newcomer student programs, wants the recent surge of unaccompanied immigrant children arriving in the U.S. to know that they are welcome in The City’s public schools – and have been for some time.

…

“San Francisco is a sanctuary city, and [SFUSD] is a sanctuary school district,” said Matt Haney, a Board of Education member who has authored a resolution specifically urging the district to meet the needs of recent unaccompanied immigrant children fleeing from Central America.

They’ve already shown that they can get away with registering unqualified voters along with their traditional methods of voting fraud, and the GOP has gone along with it out of fear of these immigrant groups. They’re afraid of being called anti-Hispanic and anti-Latino.

Ned is a known troll completely out of his depth and not worth any time in engaging. He either knows the president cannot selectively enforce laws and still be upholding the spirit of his oath of office (and occasionally the letter) and he’s just trying to goad you, or he doesn’t know that and is too stupid and partisan to learn it.

Were he removed for blatant trolling, comment quality would increase. Just a little send up to the powers that be.

The better option would be for the states to band together and assert their power. The governors could issue a joint statement saying that they will not recognize the validity of any residency or work authorizations issued by Obama to illegal aliens, unless or until such authorizations have been explicitly approved by the congress.

This isn’t a Republican or Democrat issue, it’s an American issue. Do we care about the constitution and the separation of powers, or don’t we? Because the constitution does not give the president the power that Obama is arrogating unto himself with these amnesty EOs, and if the states don’t stand up and stop him here, there will be no stopping him — or any future president — who decides he/she also wants to exercise dictatorial powers.

I know we throw words around like “legalize” and “amnesty” on this blog, it would be better if the articles would be more specific.

What does this “legalize” mean in the article? Legalize for work, as in, get them to sign up for a temporary green card? How long is it valid? This is not granting Permanent Residency, forever, right? Or is forever Permanent Residency what the president is talking about? Does that make the president himself, the sponsor? You are supposed to be sponsored. (As far as we know, he has never paid for his Aunt Zetuni or Uncle Omar!)

Permanent Residency should be called that in the article if that is what the president means. He would be waiving the law that requires sponsorship, by doing mass “amnesty,” (sorry.) Does anyone know?

Changing the criterion to call Central Americans “refugees” or “sex trafficking victims” is an even worse wave of the majesterial wand.

Refugee status comes with more privileges than a green card. There is a five year path to citizenship, and all welfare benefits, and the immense privilege, that you can become a citizen while on welfare, without proving you can support yourself, and you can receive Social Security Disability.

The journalists may not know what they are talking about…they repeat after AP, and maybe AP doesn’t get very specific. If you don’t get specific you can’t explain what is wrong and lawless about either of these changes. Journalism is required to be vague so you are not alarmed; so you will be tricked into saying, “those illegals sure look like refugees!” (The journalists are not ALLOWED to tell you the illegal status when any of these people commit a crime, because you might be prejudiced against them.)

I am not in favor of the messy Dream Ers that the president has offered. But a program like that which requires the person to “out” themselves, self selects the best candidates. Not everyone eligible has shown up, just like not every eligible person has signed up to go thru the sanctioned channels by joining the military services. (That program is not new, but longstanding.) Those that self select not to participate are not the best candidates anyway, and I think being eligible and not doing the paperwork should be grounds for deportation as well if they encounter law enforcement personnel (driving drunk, burgalarizing…). If they were clean they would seize the opportunity and their Paperwork would now be in order!

Offering a mass amnesty might not have the teeth of enforcement that is necessary for anything orderly, expect chaos!

The threat of exposure if you are a criminal or exposure if you are working under the table in this country under multiple identities, is an enormous one, and the worst criminals will not take the risk and come out of the shadows. Therefore, any “amnesty” has to have enforcement teeth to deport anyone that does not show up. As he should be deporting people now according to the law, he should be deporting non compliant dreamer age people, not coddling them. We don’t trust Obama to ever do the right thing.

So, facts: refugees can take welfare and become citizens in 4 years; green card holders are going to compete for American citizen’s jobs, and keep wages depressed. You can’t have an article on illegal immigration or presidential wand waving without this conclusion, it must be repeated over and over, like…Women will Die!

The worst part about this whole plan of bringing people into the country like this is one big word – IDENTITY!!! We have no idea who these people really are, what their names, nationality, birthdate, medical condition is unless we just take them at their word. The US is only just starting to figure out how much identity theft matters in a completely computer dominated world, but what we haven’t come to grips with is what the dangers of having no idea how to know who someone really is are. For instance, how do we know that Juanita Perez is not the same person as Evita Gonzalez or Anita Gomez or a half dozen other people? How do we know all of these identities are not one person collecting public assistance and voting under all of these identities? You can walk into a counselar office in Tijuana and get a Matricula Card, which is a generic Mexican ID for a few bucks and they do not check on who you are, they just put on it what you tell them. American criminals have already discovered this is a great way to change your identity. Some Mexican criminals have several of these ID’s, that way when Javier Bonita is wanted by the law, he just shreds that ID and uses his Juan Geraldo ID. This gives them a huge advantage over law enforcement that we really have no way of overcoming unless we get serious about controlling who comes into the country and how we document that. What owebama is doing to America is deliberately destroying the rule of law. This kind of fraud will be so common, it will be impossible to do anything about it and therefore will destroy our legal systems ability to control fraud and crime for anyone but real Americans. It is devious, but that’s never stopped owebama.