ORIGINS OF THE SAXONS UNVEILED

By Maurice Bedard @ KnightsTemplar.TV - For my sources and links, please see original article here; [link to knightstemplar.tv]

I look forward to you comments and questions on this research on the Origins of the Saxons.-----------------------------------------------

The mysterious origins of the Saxons before they had merged with the Angles to become Anglo Saxons is somewhat of a mystery. A connection I have found is related to a Scythian tribe called the Sacae or Sakas and another long lost tribe known in ancient times as the the Wusuns. These two tribes would later merge to then be called the Sacae-Sun or Sako-Usuni, and more commonly known today as the “Saxons.” The same Saxons who several centuries later would later merge in Britain, Ireland and Scotland with many more tribes such as the Angles and Picts to become known today as one tribe, the Anglo-Saxons.

It was during the the 7th century B.C. in ancient Central Asia in approximately what is now modern day Turkestan and China, that here were various ancient peoples who had lived in this region that were certainly not the original inhabitants. There are various historical accounts of foreign tribes that tell us the names of the people who occupied this region. In Chinese literature you will find such names for these tribes as the Wu- Suns (Usuns), Jiankuns, Yuechis (Yuezhi or Yue-Tchi), and Se.

The Tall Ones Known as the Wu Suns Come Into Central Asia – “Barbarians who have green eyes and red hair.”

The Wusun (pronounced Oo-soon) whose home was originally in the northwest of China were described in the 7th century commentary to the Hanshu by Yan Shigu , “Among the various Rong in the Western Regions, the Wusun’s shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have green eyes and red hair, and are like macaques, belonged to the same race as the Wusun.” Another description of the Wu Sun can also be found in the book, “Marching Sands” by Harold Lamb, “The ancient Chinese annals,” observed Sir Lionel” observed Sir Lionel tolerantly, “state that the Wusun, the ‘Tall Ones,’ were formidable fighters. The Sacae or Scythians from whom they are descended were one of the conquering races of the world. It is this heritage of strength which has preserved the remnant of the Wusun—for us to find.”

Another account I found says, “Xinjiang, showing the site of Mongghul Kiira (near the Hi [Yili] River), the approximate Wusun territory – The Alans, Ammianus writes, were “tall and handsome [and] their hair inclines to be blond” (31.2.2; see Rolfe 1939, 3:391).

The description given to us in Wikipedia says, ” The Wusuns were either an Indo-European speaking or Turkic speaking nomadic or semi-nomadic steppe people who, the Chinese histories say originally lived in western Gansu in northwest China, near the Yuezhi people. After being defeated by the Xiongnu (circa 176 BCE) they fled to the region of the Ili river and (lake) Issyk Kul where they remained for at least five centuries and formed a powerful force.”

Historical records also give us proof of this powerful force of the Wusuns had went to battle with the Yuechis; “The Yue-Tchi, repulsed by the Wu-Suns in 130 B. C, hurled themselves upon Bactria” (see the notes to p. 119 : 13). “The Sacx were then masters of it and their dispossession resulted in pressing them in part into India where they founded a kingdom and also in part into the Pro-Pamirian valleys, especially that of the Oxus. The Yue-Tchi ruled over central Asia until 425 A. D. They were dispossessed in their turn by the Hoas, or Epthalite Huns” (White Huns).

The Scythians and Saka of the Se Nation – “All Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”Scythian ice princess Wu Suns Merge With The Sakas to Become the Saxons

In addition to the Wusuns and Yuechis, there was another or multiple larger tribes that had occupied what the Chinese call the “Se nation” and these people as whole are identified generally as Scythians, but by the Chinese as the Se. There was another group of Scythians who were different from the other Scyths and whom the Persians and the Greeks had called the Sacae or Sakas. It is said that the Saka period lasted until ca 200 BC when Wusun tribes moved into the area from the east.

The ancient Greek and Roman scholars believed, “all Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”

The term Scythians or Scyths is used to describe various ancient Iranian nomadic people living in Scythia, the region encompassing the Pontic-Caspian steppe and parts of Central Asia throughout the Classical Antiquity. The ancient Persians called all the Scyths (Sacae, Herodotus 7.64). Their principal tribe, the “Royal Scyths”, ruled the vast lands occupied by the nation as a whole (Herodotus 4.20), calling themselves (Sc&#333;loti, Herodotus 4.6). The term Scythian, like Cimmerian, was used to refer to a variety of groups from the Black Sea to southern Siberia and central Asia.

“They were not a specific people”, but rather variety of peoples “referred to a variety of times in history, and in several places, none of which was their original homeland.” This is key in understanding this time in history and the facts that the were certainly not united as one peoples or tribe at the time. However, they were most likely all of the same blood or very closely related.

The confusion surrounding the Saka is partly due to the Persians, but according to Herodotus; the Persians called all Scythians by the name Sakas. The English word Saxon is derived from Persic word Sacae-sun or “Sak,” which means dog. The Persians who had admired the leadership of all Scythians tribes by naming them the Sacae. The Sakai or Sakas and Sacse, Saha, Sahia, of India; or the Median Straxa, are all mutations of this same word Sak.

Albinus says, “The Saxons were descended from the Ancient Sacae (the Sakas) of Asia, and that eventually they were called Saxons.” Herodotus had said that the Persians gave the name of Sacae or Sacans to all the Scythians and Pliny says that the Sakai, who settled in Armenia, were named Sacassani. Ptolemy also mentions a Scythian people sprung from the Sakai, by the name of Saxones.”

This tells us that historians back then and the Saka themselves were considered to be a separate tribe from the other Scythian tribes and this could be due to the Saka having other tribal and or blood alliances that would have make the Saka different based on DNA and that they were possibly related to the other Scythians, but separate by race, customs, tribal alliances and destiny.

Sakas and Wu Suns, the Saka-Suns or Saxones Form Various Tribes

The facts are that the Scythians, Saka and Wu Suns were the most formidable tribes in this area of Central Asia at the time. You will find that when you combine Sacae or Sakas with the Wu Suns you get the Sacae-Suns or Sakas-Suns. The Sacae-Suns or Saka-Suns sounds very familiar to the Saxons which I believe to be the true origins of the English name “Saxones or Saxons.” The Wu Suns were the race who the Chinese had called the “tall ones” and who had blue or green eyes with blonde or white hair and white skin.

In the book titled China’s Last Nomads: The History and Culture of China’s Kazaks Page 33; we are given an account of this merger and also the latter tribes formed from this same said union; “Wusun people moved west, to the Hi River valley, around the third century B.C. Here they merged with the Saka, known in … The Wusun-Saka tribes of this area include the Jersak, Bessak, Bersak, and Kazsak, the name of the latter tribe…”

The Kazsaks were known as a great Tartar tribe who then mingled with the Kalrauk and Kirgis or are the same tribe. They are either related to who Chinese sources call the Jiankun peoples. According to the Historical Book of the Tang Dynasty, “the Jiankun people are tall and have white hair, white skin and green eyes.” Today the Jiankun are known today as the Kyrgyz (also spelled Kirgiz, Kirghiz) who are a Turkic people living primarily in Kyrgyzstan. The word “Kyrgyz” is derived from the Turkic word “forty”, with -Iz being an old plural suffix, referring to a collection of forty tribes. Kyrgyz also means “imperishable”, “inextinguishable”, “immortal”, “unconquerable” or “undefeatable”,

The Jiankun or Kyrgyz were rather strong in the third century when they were neighbors of the Wusun. As stated above, the Jiankun were said to be tall and have white hair, white skin and green eyes. They were also described in Tang Dynasty texts as having “red hair and green eyes”, while those with dark hair and eyes were said to be descendants of a Chinese general Li Ling. This description is very similar to that given to us of the Wusuns which tells me they were certainly either related or the same peoples. On Wikipedia they are described as the early Kyrgyz people, known as Yenisei Kyrgyz or Xiajiasi, first appear in written records in the Chinese annals of the Sima Qian‘s Records of the Grand Historian (compiled 109 BC to 91 BC), as Gekun or Jiankun.

In the 18th and 19th century European writers used the word “Kirghiz” (the early Anglicized form of the contemporary Russian ) to refer not only to the people we now know as Kyrgyz, but also to their more numerous northern relatives, the Kazakhs. When distinction had to be made, more specific terms were used:for the Kyrgyz proper, and Koisaks for the Kazakhs.

Before the Time of the Scythians, the Hittites Ruled This Land

If you study history before these dates and these later peoples called the Scythians or Scyths who came on the scene, you will find that this area and its kingdoms were founded by one huge tribe that had one of the largest empires that had rivaled or surpassed the Egyptians. These people were called the Hittites. The Scythians seem to be a hybrid tribe and race that had descended from the original Hittites who had originally occupied this region for thousands of years prior to when the Scythians or that name came on to the scene.

Who the Chinese call the Se, are the same people the Greeks had named the Sakas. The Sakas were of Scythian descent and the Scythians I believe I can prove, descend from the Hittites whom in turn the Sakas and Saxons would also be descendants of as well. Herodotus tells us that the Sakas had “high caps tapering to a point and stiffly upright.” Asian Saka headgear is clearly visible on the Persepolis Apadana staircase bas-relief – high pointed hat with flaps over ears and the nape of the neck. The Hittites for whom we now have a tremendous amount of archaeological evidence also had worn these exact same tall pointed caps or hats. Many depictions of Hittite men with pointed hats, and shoes with curled-up toes have been found in many locations in modern day Turkey.

In addition, there are also many references to the Hittites that have been found and translated in Egyptian inscriptions that describe them as powerful neighbors, who wore boots with turned-up toes, were fond of silver, and and at times they were great enemies of the Pharaohs. This was up until a peace treaty was concluded between Egyptian Pharaoh Ramesses II and Hittite King Hattusili III, that the Egyptians and Hittites made an “eternal treaty” of “peace and brotherhood for all time.”

I would assume since we hear virtually nothing of the Hittites from the ancient Greeks that they either did not know of the Hittites, or they simply did not know how to read Egyptian or Hittite heliographs at the time. This would make perfect sense. In any event, we do have Greek historian Herodotus describing the Sakas with “high caps tapering to a point” and we have a tremendous amount of actual science from both the Egyptians and the actual Hittites themselves that they had also worn pointed caps.

A Possible Wusuns, Sakas, Hittite and Amorite Connection to the Bible

Most modern day stories that we have of these peoples come from the East where they appear to have had a significant impact in this region in the time of the Old Testament and also the beginning of the New Testament. However, you will not find the name of “Wusuns” in the bible today or any religious historical documents. They seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth leaving very little evidence behind.

The presence of a possible Nordic type race that was tall, fair skinned and blue eyes can also be found among the biblical Amorites, that I believe also makes a possible connection to whom the Chinese depicted as the Wusuns. In addition, the Wusun appear to sound very similar to white Syrians who were said to be descendants of the Hittites and may have also been descendants of the Amorites. The white Syrians were also generally tall, with white or blonde hair and light blue or even grey eyes. This possible connection to the Wusuns places them right in the heart of biblical history and also in the location of these stories in connection to the Amorites who were said to be as “tall as cedars.”

The historical accounts that I have given above of these mysterious peoples describe them with such terms as the “Green Eye Devils,” the tall ones and also the blue-eyed, red-bearded people which gives us a clue how so-called European DNA was infused into these regions of the world. The descriptions of the tribe of the Wusuns and also the historical accounts of the merger with the Sakas gives us researchers clues to not only what race these peoples may have been, but also the origins of the tribe known as the Saxons who later went on to help shape much of Europe and the west as we know it today.

In closing here is a bible passage to ponder until my next article under Ezekiel 16:3 – “And say, Thus said the Lord GOD to Jerusalem; Your birth and your nativity is of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite, and your mother an Hittite.”

In my next article I would like to explore this possible connections of the Wu Suns and Saxons with the biblical Hittites and Amorites.

By Maurice Bedard @ KnightsTemplar.TV - For my sources and links, please see original article here; [link to knightstemplar.tv]

I look forward to you comments and questions on this research on the Origins of the Saxons.-----------------------------------------------

The mysterious origins of the Saxons before they had merged with the Angles to become Anglo Saxons is somewhat of a mystery. A connection I have found is related to a Scythian tribe called the Sacae or Sakas and another long lost tribe known in ancient times as the the Wusuns. These two tribes would later merge to then be called the Sacae-Sun or Sako-Usuni, and more commonly known today as the “Saxons.” The same Saxons who several centuries later would later merge in Britain, Ireland and Scotland with many more tribes such as the Angles and Picts to become known today as one tribe, the Anglo-Saxons.

It was during the the 7th century B.C. in ancient Central Asia in approximately what is now modern day Turkestan and China, that here were various ancient peoples who had lived in this region that were certainly not the original inhabitants. There are various historical accounts of foreign tribes that tell us the names of the people who occupied this region. In Chinese literature you will find such names for these tribes as the Wu- Suns (Usuns), Jiankuns, Yuechis (Yuezhi or Yue-Tchi), and Se.

The Tall Ones Known as the Wu Suns Come Into Central Asia – “Barbarians who have green eyes and red hair.”

The Wusun (pronounced Oo-soon) whose home was originally in the northwest of China were described in the 7th century commentary to the Hanshu by Yan Shigu , “Among the various Rong in the Western Regions, the Wusun’s shape was the strangest; and the present barbarians who have green eyes and red hair, and are like macaques, belonged to the same race as the Wusun.” Another description of the Wu Sun can also be found in the book, “Marching Sands” by Harold Lamb, “The ancient Chinese annals,” observed Sir Lionel” observed Sir Lionel tolerantly, “state that the Wusun, the ‘Tall Ones,’ were formidable fighters. The Sacae or Scythians from whom they are descended were one of the conquering races of the world. It is this heritage of strength which has preserved the remnant of the Wusun—for us to find.”

Another account I found says, “Xinjiang, showing the site of Mongghul Kiira (near the Hi [Yili] River), the approximate Wusun territory – The Alans, Ammianus writes, were “tall and handsome [and] their hair inclines to be blond” (31.2.2; see Rolfe 1939, 3:391).

The description given to us in Wikipedia says, ” The Wusuns were either an Indo-European speaking or Turkic speaking nomadic or semi-nomadic steppe people who, the Chinese histories say originally lived in western Gansu in northwest China, near the Yuezhi people. After being defeated by the Xiongnu (circa 176 BCE) they fled to the region of the Ili river and (lake) Issyk Kul where they remained for at least five centuries and formed a powerful force.”

Historical records also give us proof of this powerful force of the Wusuns had went to battle with the Yuechis; “The Yue-Tchi, repulsed by the Wu-Suns in 130 B. C, hurled themselves upon Bactria” (see the notes to p. 119 : 13). “The Sacx were then masters of it and their dispossession resulted in pressing them in part into India where they founded a kingdom and also in part into the Pro-Pamirian valleys, especially that of the Oxus. The Yue-Tchi ruled over central Asia until 425 A. D. They were dispossessed in their turn by the Hoas, or Epthalite Huns” (White Huns).

The Scythians and Saka of the Se Nation – “All Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”Scythian ice princess Wu Suns Merge With The Sakas to Become the Saxons

In addition to the Wusuns and Yuechis, there was another or multiple larger tribes that had occupied what the Chinese call the “Se nation” and these people as whole are identified generally as Scythians, but by the Chinese as the Se. There was another group of Scythians who were different from the other Scyths and whom the Persians and the Greeks had called the Sacae or Sakas. It is said that the Saka period lasted until ca 200 BC when Wusun tribes moved into the area from the east.

The ancient Greek and Roman scholars believed, “all Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”

The term Scythians or Scyths is used to describe various ancient Iranian nomadic people living in Scythia, the region encompassing the Pontic-Caspian steppe and parts of Central Asia throughout the Classical Antiquity. The ancient Persians called all the Scyths (Sacae, Herodotus 7.64). Their principal tribe, the “Royal Scyths”, ruled the vast lands occupied by the nation as a whole (Herodotus 4.20), calling themselves (Sc&#333;loti, Herodotus 4.6). The term Scythian, like Cimmerian, was used to refer to a variety of groups from the Black Sea to southern Siberia and central Asia.

“They were not a specific people”, but rather variety of peoples “referred to a variety of times in history, and in several places, none of which was their original homeland.” This is key in understanding this time in history and the facts that the were certainly not united as one peoples or tribe at the time. However, they were most likely all of the same blood or very closely related.

The confusion surrounding the Saka is partly due to the Persians, but according to Herodotus; the Persians called all Scythians by the name Sakas. The English word Saxon is derived from Persic word Sacae-sun or “Sak,” which means dog. The Persians who had admired the leadership of all Scythians tribes by naming them the Sacae. The Sakai or Sakas and Sacse, Saha, Sahia, of India; or the Median Straxa, are all mutations of this same word Sak.

Albinus says, “The Saxons were descended from the Ancient Sacae (the Sakas) of Asia, and that eventually they were called Saxons.” Herodotus had said that the Persians gave the name of Sacae or Sacans to all the Scythians and Pliny says that the Sakai, who settled in Armenia, were named Sacassani. Ptolemy also mentions a Scythian people sprung from the Sakai, by the name of Saxones.”

This tells us that historians back then and the Saka themselves were considered to be a separate tribe from the other Scythian tribes and this could be due to the Saka having other tribal and or blood alliances that would have make the Saka different based on DNA and that they were possibly related to the other Scythians, but separate by race, customs, tribal alliances and destiny.

Sakas and Wu Suns, the Saka-Suns or Saxones Form Various Tribes

The facts are that the Scythians, Saka and Wu Suns were the most formidable tribes in this area of Central Asia at the time. You will find that when you combine Sacae or Sakas with the Wu Suns you get the Sacae-Suns or Sakas-Suns. The Sacae-Suns or Saka-Suns sounds very familiar to the Saxons which I believe to be the true origins of the English name “Saxones or Saxons.” The Wu Suns were the race who the Chinese had called the “tall ones” and who had blue or green eyes with blonde or white hair and white skin.

In the book titled China’s Last Nomads: The History and Culture of China’s Kazaks Page 33; we are given an account of this merger and also the latter tribes formed from this same said union; “Wusun people moved west, to the Hi River valley, around the third century B.C. Here they merged with the Saka, known in … The Wusun-Saka tribes of this area include the Jersak, Bessak, Bersak, and Kazsak, the name of the latter tribe…”

The Kazsaks were known as a great Tartar tribe who then mingled with the Kalrauk and Kirgis or are the same tribe. They are either related to who Chinese sources call the Jiankun peoples. According to the Historical Book of the Tang Dynasty, “the Jiankun people are tall and have white hair, white skin and green eyes.” Today the Jiankun are known today as the Kyrgyz (also spelled Kirgiz, Kirghiz) who are a Turkic people living primarily in Kyrgyzstan. The word “Kyrgyz” is derived from the Turkic word “forty”, with -Iz being an old plural suffix, referring to a collection of forty tribes. Kyrgyz also means “imperishable”, “inextinguishable”, “immortal”, “unconquerable” or “undefeatable”,

The Jiankun or Kyrgyz were rather strong in the third century when they were neighbors of the Wusun. As stated above, the Jiankun were said to be tall and have white hair, white skin and green eyes. They were also described in Tang Dynasty texts as having “red hair and green eyes”, while those with dark hair and eyes were said to be descendants of a Chinese general Li Ling. This description is very similar to that given to us of the Wusuns which tells me they were certainly either related or the same peoples. On Wikipedia they are described as the early Kyrgyz people, known as Yenisei Kyrgyz or Xiajiasi, first appear in written records in the Chinese annals of the Sima Qian‘s Records of the Grand Historian (compiled 109 BC to 91 BC), as Gekun or Jiankun.

In the 18th and 19th century European writers used the word “Kirghiz” (the early Anglicized form of the contemporary Russian ) to refer not only to the people we now know as Kyrgyz, but also to their more numerous northern relatives, the Kazakhs. When distinction had to be made, more specific terms were used:for the Kyrgyz proper, and Koisaks for the Kazakhs.

Before the Time of the Scythians, the Hittites Ruled This Land

If you study history before these dates and these later peoples called the Scythians or Scyths who came on the scene, you will find that this area and its kingdoms were founded by one huge tribe that had one of the largest empires that had rivaled or surpassed the Egyptians. These people were called the Hittites. The Scythians seem to be a hybrid tribe and race that had descended from the original Hittites who had originally occupied this region for thousands of years prior to when the Scythians or that name came on to the scene.

Who the Chinese call the Se, are the same people the Greeks had named the Sakas. The Sakas were of Scythian descent and the Scythians I believe I can prove, descend from the Hittites whom in turn the Sakas and Saxons would also be descendants of as well. Herodotus tells us that the Sakas had “high caps tapering to a point and stiffly upright.” Asian Saka headgear is clearly visible on the Persepolis Apadana staircase bas-relief – high pointed hat with flaps over ears and the nape of the neck. The Hittites for whom we now have a tremendous amount of archaeological evidence also had worn these exact same tall pointed caps or hats. Many depictions of Hittite men with pointed hats, and shoes with curled-up toes have been found in many locations in modern day Turkey.

In addition, there are also many references to the Hittites that have been found and translated in Egyptian inscriptions that describe them as powerful neighbors, who wore boots with turned-up toes, were fond of silver, and and at times they were great enemies of the Pharaohs. This was up until a peace treaty was concluded between Egyptian Pharaoh Ramesses II and Hittite King Hattusili III, that the Egyptians and Hittites made an “eternal treaty” of “peace and brotherhood for all time.”

I would assume since we hear virtually nothing of the Hittites from the ancient Greeks that they either did not know of the Hittites, or they simply did not know how to read Egyptian or Hittite heliographs at the time. This would make perfect sense. In any event, we do have Greek historian Herodotus describing the Sakas with “high caps tapering to a point” and we have a tremendous amount of actual science from both the Egyptians and the actual Hittites themselves that they had also worn pointed caps.

A Possible Wusuns, Sakas, Hittite and Amorite Connection to the Bible

Most modern day stories that we have of these peoples come from the East where they appear to have had a significant impact in this region in the time of the Old Testament and also the beginning of the New Testament. However, you will not find the name of “Wusuns” in the bible today or any religious historical documents. They seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth leaving very little evidence behind.

The presence of a possible Nordic type race that was tall, fair skinned and blue eyes can also be found among the biblical Amorites, that I believe also makes a possible connection to whom the Chinese depicted as the Wusuns. In addition, the Wusun appear to sound very similar to white Syrians who were said to be descendants of the Hittites and may have also been descendants of the Amorites. The white Syrians were also generally tall, with white or blonde hair and light blue or even grey eyes. This possible connection to the Wusuns places them right in the heart of biblical history and also in the location of these stories in connection to the Amorites who were said to be as “tall as cedars.”

The historical accounts that I have given above of these mysterious peoples describe them with such terms as the “Green Eye Devils,” the tall ones and also the blue-eyed, red-bearded people which gives us a clue how so-called European DNA was infused into these regions of the world. The descriptions of the tribe of the Wusuns and also the historical accounts of the merger with the Sakas gives us researchers clues to not only what race these peoples may have been, but also the origins of the tribe known as the Saxons who later went on to help shape much of Europe and the west as we know it today.

In closing here is a bible passage to ponder until my next article under Ezekiel 16:3 – “And say, Thus said the Lord GOD to Jerusalem; Your birth and your nativity is of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite, and your mother an Hittite.”

In my next article I would like to explore this possible connections of the Wu Suns and Saxons with the biblical Hittites and Amorites.

Let us not ignore the genetic quantum leap that Saxons made about 40,000 years ago.

Seemingly overnight whites evolved by millions of years.

Annunaki.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27577089

I believe tall ones or Wusuns to be the descendants of Neanderthals who were larger and stronger. They then mated with the descendant of the Sumerians/Hittites who were the sons of God and smarter ones to produce a much superior race in intelligence and strength in the Saxons. This is when the evolution in war took place.

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26

I read an old religious book called the sheep and the wolves (or wolf), maybe wolf and the sheep...anyway, the author said Saxon came from "Isaac's Sons"....thought it was interesting....nice post OP

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17299239

Thanks for your comment and kind words. I have also read that as well. In my research I have found the name Saxon to originate from the Persic word "Sak" which means "dog." Let us not forget the Canaanites and this word is akin to the Latin 'Canis' or Canine for dog.

Ezekiel 16:3 – “And say, Thus said the Lord GOD to Jerusalem; Your birth and your nativity is of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite, and your mother an Hittite.”

Mixed race and please refer to Ezekiel 16:3 – “And say, Thus said the Lord GOD to Jerusalem; Your birth and your nativity is of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite, and your mother an Hittite.”

Amos 2:9"Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath"

That's seriously tall!

Quoting: Uncle Mikey

Tell me about bro and Moses tells us the story of the strong cities of Bashan, that had high walls and gates and that Bashan was called the Land of the Giants (or Rephaim, Deut. iii. 13). In the book of Amos 2:9 may refer to Og as “the Amorite” whose height was like the height of the cedars and whose strength was like the oaks. Then Deut. 3:11 and later in the book of Numbers and Joshua, Og is pronounced as the last of the Rephaim. Rephaim is a Hebrew word for giants. The people of Bashan were said to be a branch of the Amorites, and were very tall and larger than any of the other tribes in the desert and of Egypt at this time. The Prophet Amos describes them as high as cedars, and as strong as oaks .

“Og, King of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the Ogs Bed Giants in the Bible Part Ichildren of Ammon, nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth thereof, after the cubit of a man.” (Deut . iii. 11.)

Amos 2:9"Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath"

That's seriously tall!

Quoting: Uncle Mikey

Tell me about bro and Moses tells us the story of the strong cities of Bashan, that had high walls and gates and that Bashan was called the Land of the Giants (or Rephaim, Deut. iii. 13). In the book of Amos 2:9 may refer to Og as “the Amorite” whose height was like the height of the cedars and whose strength was like the oaks. Then Deut. 3:11 and later in the book of Numbers and Joshua, Og is pronounced as the last of the Rephaim. Rephaim is a Hebrew word for giants. The people of Bashan were said to be a branch of the Amorites, and were very tall and larger than any of the other tribes in the desert and of Egypt at this time. The Prophet Amos describes them as high as cedars, and as strong as oaks .

“Og, King of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the Ogs Bed Giants in the Bible Part Ichildren of Ammon, nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth thereof, after the cubit of a man.” (Deut . iii. 11.)

Today this would equate to 13 feet long.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Nephilim?

Numbers 1329) ...and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains...

33) And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

or...

NIV33) "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them"

I read an old religious book called the sheep and the wolves (or wolf), maybe wolf and the sheep...anyway, the author said Saxon came from "Isaac's Sons"....thought it was interesting....nice post OP

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17299239

Thanks for your comment and kind words. I have also read that as well. In my research I have found the name Saxon to originate from the Persic word "Sak" which means "dog." Let us not forget the Canaanites and this word is akin to the Latin 'Canis' or Canine for dog.

Ezekiel 16:3 – “And say, Thus said the Lord GOD to Jerusalem; Your birth and your nativity is of the land of Canaan; your father was an Amorite, and your mother an Hittite.”

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Are you sure about that ?

" Even though the word Qypchaq is not pronounced the same in all Turkic languages, however it has the same meaning. The word kypchak etymologically belongs to the Turkic language and consists of two vowels ku and chak . The word ku in the first vowel means blond and fair-skin and it sounds as kub or kuba among the northern Turkic nations. The second vowel chak (or sak as in the ancient sources. It should not be confused with the Persian word sak which means dog in English as Persian language belongs to the Indo-European language family) is also a Turkic word which may be equalized with the suffix cha that means fondling word little in English or chik in Russian. "

Those who are interested in scientifically sound research -- rather than sentimental religious "striving" for artificial Biblical roots -- may want to learn about Doggerland, the ancient land of our ancestors, now beneath the sea:

idiot, the saxons were named after the long sword they used called a seax.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30474188

The Persic dialect was here long before English. So whose the idiot who didn't do his research? In addition, the ancient Greeks who were here before had already given us the facts and stories of the Saxons coming from the Sakas long before the name of the seax was ever invented. What you are saying is akin to saying the from came before the guppy or chicken before the egg. Therefor, I must ask, "who is the true idiot here?"

I do not read just one, but have read about a dozen different "stories" that were "created" by "men." My research entails all Hi-story and I hate to say it or be a ruthless hound, but I have better access and more sources than ANYONE else that has written on the Saxons and that includes Greek Historians and or English.

What you are reading will become the official story someday when DNA verifies their stay here in Asia and also the fact that after this time they are found in Britain, Ireland, Gaul and Scotland.

Amos 2:9"Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath"

That's seriously tall!

Quoting: Uncle Mikey

Tell me about bro and Moses tells us the story of the strong cities of Bashan, that had high walls and gates and that Bashan was called the Land of the Giants (or Rephaim, Deut. iii. 13). In the book of Amos 2:9 may refer to Og as “the Amorite” whose height was like the height of the cedars and whose strength was like the oaks. Then Deut. 3:11 and later in the book of Numbers and Joshua, Og is pronounced as the last of the Rephaim. Rephaim is a Hebrew word for giants. The people of Bashan were said to be a branch of the Amorites, and were very tall and larger than any of the other tribes in the desert and of Egypt at this time. The Prophet Amos describes them as high as cedars, and as strong as oaks .

“Og, King of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the Ogs Bed Giants in the Bible Part Ichildren of Ammon, nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth thereof, after the cubit of a man.” (Deut . iii. 11.)

Today this would equate to 13 feet long.

Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV

Nephilim?

Numbers 1329) ...and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains...

33) And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

or...

NIV33) "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them"

Quoting: Uncle Mikey

In Gen. xiv. 5. In Deut. ii. 11, it is used of the Emims and the Anakims; so, ver. 20, where it is said “the Ammonites call them Zamzummims.”-

A a race of giants; “a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims” (Deut. 2:20, 21). They were overcome by the Ammonites, “who called them Zamzummims or Emims.”

“The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakim“ (Deuteronomy 2:10-11) -

The Emites was the Moabite name for one of the tribes of Rephaim. They are described in Deuteronomy chapter 2 as having been a powerful people, populous and having a successful kingdom. They were defeated by the Moabites, who occupied their land. The Emim are also mentioned in Genesis 14:5 and according to Rashi, the name is translated as “the dreaded ones” (Hertz 1936) and the singular Ema/Emma means “horror” or “terror”.

The Moabites were descendants of Lot through his daughters and according to Genesis 19 they are the same as those of the Ammonites. Ammon is derived from Ham, the son of Noah, who first peopled Egypt and Lybia, after the flood.

The word Amoun, means “shining.” Hence, the Ammonites are where we get the Elohim, comes from Ellu, meaning “the Shining Ones” which is a term used for both the Nephilim and their first born. There is an inscription found at Ostia, which dates 177-180, Hadad of Baalbek, or Jupiter Heliopolitanus, bears the title “Angel” and Baal of Heliopolis was called an “Angel.

Now who is Barnabas Uncle? Is he not Jupiter?

Revelation 1:16 – In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Veresanctus is correct the Saxons are the "sons of Isaac". When the tribes of Israel migrated (several different times) some went to the Black Seas and then north and westward through Germani and another through Spain and the final destination was the "isles in the seas..." (Great Britain) The Cymry (Cimmerans) went to what is now Wales. A question for all to answer why is King David's throne now in Westminster Abbey? This is the very throne Christ shall return to sit on! Why does Britain have the rampant lion on it's flags and shields? Why do they have unicorns also?

Agreed. Much as the Franks, also a Germanic people, were culturally identified with their distinctive throwing axe.

There is no scientific or rational reason to reaching back and making unlikely connections with either China or the Middle East.

We of Germanic heritage are of unique and wonderful stock, and it is our own, developed in Northern Europe.

Quoting: goodmockingbird

I AM related to one of your most infamous German Führers, Adolph Hitler. We are also related to an Egyptian known as the last great Pharaoh named Ramesses III and also a very famous French Emperor in Napoleon Bonaparte. Does this make me German, French, Egyptian or what in your mind?

Veresanctus is correct the Saxons are the "sons of Isaac". When the tribes of Israel migrated (several different times) some went to the Black Seas and then north and westward through Germani and another through Spain and the final destination was the "isles in the seas..." (Great Britain) The Cymry (Cimmerans) went to what is now Wales. A question for all to answer why is King David's throne now in Westminster Abbey? This is the very throne Christ shall return to sit on! Why does Britain have the rampant lion on it's flags and shields? Why do they have unicorns also?

Quoting: anonymous 1593458

The names in the bible are purely allegorical which means that when you say 'Isaac,' that means it is not a real name of a person, but an allegorical one to identify a person or event. Often these names are not people, but events.

Isaac sounds much like "I-Sak" or I-Dog.

After all, Isaac was the only biblical patriarch whose name was not changed, and the only one who did not leave Canaan.

The term Saka refers to the Indo-Persian peoples, many who roamed Central Asia. Not much connection with Saxons, sorry. Even Buddha sometimes is referred to as Sakyamuni Buddha. Is he a Saxon?

The Greeks referred to any horse riding group on the Eurasian plains with the general catch term Scythians. BTW, they crushed the axe-wielding Sacae at Marathon. Those asiatic slaves of the Great King of Persia didn't show much. If that is what you want for your ancestors, so be it.

The term Saka refers to the Indo-Persian peoples, many who roamed Central Asia. Not much connection with Saxons, sorry. Even Buddha sometimes is referred to as Sakyamuni Buddha. Is he a Saxon?

The Greeks referred to any horse riding group on the Eurasian plains with the general catch term Scythians. BTW, they crushed the axe-wielding Sacae at Marathon. Those asiatic slaves of the Great King of Persia didn't show much. If that is what you want for your ancestors, so be it.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30474188

No, but he could have been a Sak or Saka for sure. I already established that the Greeks and as well as the Romans had identified a tribe that was "separate and different" than the Scythians. Hence, they say, “All Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”

All I said that the word was Persic and I assume you think Asians are dumb and you being a caucasian tells me something about you.

The Scythians are Hittites. The Scythian name is from Historians who came much later anyways and the Hittites are actually a scientifically verified peoples with the science and history to back them up while there is nothing but "stories" about the Scythians.

Despite the use of "Hatti", the Hittites should be distinguished from the Hattians, an earlier people who inhabited the same region (until the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC) and spoke a language which was part of the Northwest Caucasian languages group known as Hattic.

The Hittites used Mesopotamian cuneiform letters. Archaeological expeditions to Hattusa have discovered entire sets of royal archives in cuneiform tablets, written either in the Semitic Mesopotamian Akkadian language of Assyria and Babylonia, the diplomatic language of the time, or in the various dialects of the Hittite confederation.

The hittities from the bible were not caucasoid nor indo european but semetic mesopktamians akkadian and assyrian.

The amorites were fully semetic also. Why are you trying to steal the history of the semites which is well documented and connect them with anglo saxons? Are you not proud of your european heritage that you have to steal it from somewhere else to aid your inferiority complex?

show me the some of the remains not paintings and text to prove anyone of them ever lived..text and paintings dont prove the characters ever lived...instead of show us the money,its show us the remains or all you are just fairy tails..