Obviously not. I think Phil has been absent from the scene for a while now. I was also debating if any of these guys might not want to be on this list. I noticed he took down the section on the Metal Initiative on his site. Phil also did not create it, Craig did.

Obviously not. I think Phil has been absent from the scene for a while now. I was also debating if any of these guys might not want to be on this list. I noticed he took down the section on the Metal Initiative on his site. Phil also did not create it, Craig did.

Just out of interest, what defines a shooter, is it a replica made out of 100% original parts or is it a replica made with a bulldog that is capable of firing?

As far as I know, while Adam's and Riskbreaker's are made out of original parts, they are not shooters - in other words, while they are potentially capable - because of the build components - they have been rendered in such a way that they will not discharge.

Rich, Doc Eltee et al have made weapons that fire but they're not necessarily 100% original gun parts - so these in my mind would be 'shooters' in the true sense of the word.

Personally, I like those that are 100% built from original parts - Adam's and Riskbreakers and lets not forget DeckB26354's gorgeous real build that was done in late 2007.

I agree Mark. Some of these are missing a part that might make them unsafe to shoot, namely the barrel. The hardest part for many of these guns to get is the Steyr receiver. Doc's and a few others have a Steyr made by Richard out of pewter. It also isn't the part that would help it fire live rounds. That is the bulldog, and a relatively cheap component actually. It is also the part that makes it illegal for most to own. The LA blaster is made out of a Steyr, but we have no evidence it has a gun-smithed barrel. I doubt it it would be safe to fire considering the shortcuts with the Sidkit parts.

Craig had real 44 barrel stock machined to make the two shooters he made.

Doc used a stock 4 inch Bulldog barrel which ended up about ½ a inch short, as gun makers cound the ½ inch of the barrel from the cylinder not from the front of the frame so a 4 inch barrel is only 3/5 ich from the front of the frame.

I have a Craig made barrel but messed it up by a misdrilled the holes so had to wait until I could have a short run of 44 rifled barrel stock machined into true 4.5 inch barrels, one when to Eltee and one is in my model.

At this time I have 5 more barrels 6 if you count the incorrectly drilled barrel that could be used in a nor firing model.

i look at this thread but i am a total novice when it comes to dissecting a firearm. can someone tell me WHO the person in this vid is and if he is a member here? I love the fact it appears to be real!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cOeqD80gzY_________________I've had people walk out on me before, but never when i was being so charming

To be clear and thanks to Andy, Rich and Staar to have mentioned the differences between "real shooter" that is: same version and same/real pieces in every way possible to the actual prop and being real weapons.
There's also the "other shooters" that is: same version but different pieces (pewter/plastic, etc)of the original and capable of firing because of the Bulldog base(Noeland, I would like to hear your personal opinion on why the L.A. gun is not a shooter, since I'm still learning about the subtle differences between guns)
Then there's "static guns" that is: same version and same pieces were used in every way possible to accuratly look like the film prop...but because of construction/mods cannot be safely fired.

I know that some of the guns are a mix of many manufacturer and pieces are sometimes difficult to pinpoint exactly
Again, feel free to add anything to this list/discussion...always a pleasure to learn from the experts

Yes, mine too is a real shooter . Only taken it out with live rounds twice but works perfectly. I have to say though, it's hard work after a few goes if you are trying to be accuarate on a target, as the thing is so bloody heavy!

I think the terms are a little confusing. How about "Authentic Vintage Part Replica" and "Ammo firing"? Mainly because the Hartford airsoft versions are also "Shooters". "Real" is also kind of an over used and non specific word.