I think we've all heard the comment that "men are more visual." I think this is demonstrated by the fact that about 80% of the consumers of pornography are male.

Somewhere, on some earlier thread, I mentioned that some women don't even like to look at penises. They like to just "experience" them. But I've heard that some women do not like to see men naked at all. I'm reminded of Elaine's statement on Seinfeld: "Naked? That's not a good look for a man...."

Some very odd observations are sort of coming together for me now. If about 80% of consumers of pornography are male, and the vast majority of that pornography depicts a male (i.e., the penis) in action, if many women don't even like to see the penis (many models and readers for Playgirl magazine are gay), then what this means is that -- regardless of sexual orientation -- males like to see the penis; many women do not.

I think this may explain why, at least on this forum, self-proclaimed straight males will accept compliments from gay men. Gay men, being male, of course, are more visual than women. Therefore, gay males are likely to respond positively to a picture of a penis.

Sometimes, threads directed toward females are met with at least some negative responses, allegations of chauvinism, male egoism, etc. Gay men don't say such things to straight men when they offer up their organs for evaluation. Gay men usually heap praise among straight men here. See, for example, the initial responses this guy received: http://www.lpsg.org/81153-ladies-like-my-new-photo.html

I don't have it quite worked out yet, but I think this new ponderous thought of mine is related to these two threads I started earlier:

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

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Maybe it's because women are so often treated solely as sexual objects. Maybe this is why they don't want to be treated like pieces of meat.

Maybe the world is still, more or less, sexist and males are assumed to be more intelligent and to have superior status. Maybe this allows men to have a little leeway of being pieces of meat.

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

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Pretty girls LOVE to be appreciated for how they look, as do most humans. However if that's the only thing they're appreciated or known for they'll often resent THAT - when there's often a lot more behind the looks that are more important (vacuous attention whores can be discounted). Everyone knows looks have a shelf life - some deal with that better than others.

Pretty girls want to be appreciated for how they look when you are with them and they already know that you like them on some other level. They also need to be reminded that they are hot. But if they are just getting crass comments on the street, it is like STFU. A guy getting a crass comment on the street is like, bring it on! I always fight the urge to yell at pretty girls in traffic, because personally I would love for women to yell comments about my appearance at me anonymously.
I realize some women do appreciate looking at things to be aroused. Just as some men prefer thinking or imagining a sexy situation. And I know there are women who are creative and stuff, but it seems like they are attracted to men who serve that purpose and use it in a way that gets him by in life. They like being attractive and are interested in the creativity of men. But, in finding a man they want to be with, they want the man to see something more than their physical attraction at first, I think. Whereas men would not mind it being the other way around.

I think we've all heard the comment that "men are more visual." I think this is demonstrated by the fact that about 80% of the consumers of pornography are male.

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This is a leap in logical. There are plenty of other reasons to explain this. For one, women in our society are not supposed to show too much interest in sex or else they are called sluts. So many women are afraid to watch porn for that reason. Much of the porn is designed for men to watch, so it's not appealing for women. For example, the men are ugly and the women are good looking.

Somewhere, on some earlier thread, I mentioned that some women don't even like to look at penises. They like to just "experience" them. But I've heard that some women do not like to see men naked at all. I'm reminded of Elaine's statement on Seinfeld: "Naked? That's not a good look for a man...."

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Naked is not a good look for most men or for most women, so in that way Elaine was correct. But all the women that I've gotten naked in front of seemed to like the visual. And my girlfriend once assured me that if I walked around naked in public that no women would complain.

And there are arguments that women are more visual. Look at all the fashion magazines that women like. And women love guys that are dressed well, etc, etc. But like I said, women can't admit that they like men for the looks or else people will think they are slutty. So they will not openly admit it.

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

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I think both sexes like to be liked for how they look. It's just that women know that men are attracted from an early age and it's reinforced. But men can live there whole lives without many women showing the same attraction, so they yearn for that attention too. I very rarely get compliments for my looks in real life. I get more compliments from guy friends. I only get compliments from women that I'm intimate with.

And the women that wants to be liked for more that just looks (creativity, spirit, etc.) just use that as an additional test. They already know plenty of guys like them for their looks. But if a guy said he thought she was just average looking but loved her personality, I doubt she would like him.

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Somewhere, on some earlier thread, I mentioned that some women don't even like to look at penises. They like to just "experience" them. But I've heard that some women do not like to see men naked at all. I'm reminded of Elaine's statement on Seinfeld: "Naked? That's not a good look for a man...."

Some very odd observations are sort of coming together for me now. If about 80% of consumers of pornography are male, and the vast majority of that pornography depicts a male (i.e., the penis) in action, if many women don't even like to see the penis (many models and readers for Playgirl magazine are gay), then what this means is that -- regardless of sexual orientation -- males like to see the penis; many women do not.

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I loooove to see men naked! :biggrin1: (I have my stash of Playgirls besides looking on here and elsewhere online...it's better to see them in real life though, where I can also touch! :smile

I had a thought today that sort of goes along with this. Guys want to be treated like a piece of meat, whereas girls don't.
Why is this? because we as guys, want to feel, first and foremost, that we are physically attractive to our women.
We give pretty girls lots of attention. But they don't want to be liked for how they look, they want to be liked for their spirit or creativity or whatever. They get off to ideas and thoughts and put off physical sexiness. Guys put off ideas and thoughts and get off to physical sexiness. This is not a rule, but in general this is how I see it.

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I WISH I was thought of as physically sexy! Of course I want to be appreciated for other aspects of myself as well, but it'd be nice to get the attention for my physical assets as well.

Pretty girls LOVE to be appreciated for how they look, as do most humans. However if that's the only thing they're appreciated or known for they'll often resent THAT - when there's often a lot more behind the looks that are more important (vacuous attention whores can be discounted). Everyone knows looks have a shelf life - some deal with that better than others.

Pretty girls want to be appreciated for how they look when you are with them and they already know that you like them on some other level. They also need to be reminded that they are hot. But if they are just getting crass comments on the street, it is like STFU. A guy getting a crass comment on the street is like, bring it on! I always fight the urge to yell at pretty girls in traffic, because personally I would love for women to yell comments about my appearance at me anonymously.
I realize some women do appreciate looking at things to be aroused. Just as some men prefer thinking or imagining a sexy situation. And I know there are women who are creative and stuff, but it seems like they are attracted to men who serve that purpose and use it in a way that gets him by in life. They like being attractive and are interested in the creativity of men. But, in finding a man they want to be with, they want the man to see something more than their physical attraction at first, I think. Whereas men would not mind it being the other way around.

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Having not usually been thought of that way, I actually crave that sort of male attention. I've also thought about saying stuff to men I thought were attractive but I was just afraid I'd be laughed at (or fail to notice the jealous wife or girlfriend...:biggrin1 I've never understood the women who don't like it when, this is a cliche here, they go past a construction site and the men make catcalls or whatever at them. I guess most? women are this way but I've always wanted them to make catcalls at me!

henry miller, I like how you like to think about such topics because I like to think about these things also. But as usual, I disagree with the way you see things.

This is a leap in logical. There are plenty of other reasons to explain this. For one, women in our society are not supposed to show too much interest in sex or else they are called sluts. So many women are afraid to watch porn for that reason. Much of the porn is designed for men to watch, so it's not appealing for women. For example, the men are ugly and the women are good looking.

Naked is not a good look for most men or for most women, so in that way Elaine was correct. But all the women that I've gotten naked in front of seemed to like the visual. And my girlfriend once assured me that if I walked around naked in public that no women would complain.

And there are arguments that women are more visual. Look at all the fashion magazines that women like. And women love guys that are dressed well, etc, etc. But like I said, women can't admit that they like men for the looks or else people will think they are slutty. So they will not openly admit it.

I think both sexes like to be liked for how they look. It's just that women know that men are attracted from an early age and it's reinforced. But men can live there whole lives without many women showing the same attraction, so they yearn for that attention too. I very rarely get compliments for my looks in real life. I get more compliments from guy friends. I only get compliments from women that I'm intimate with.

And the women that wants to be liked for more that just looks (creativity, spirit, etc.) just use that as an additional test. They already know plenty of guys like them for their looks. But if a guy said he thought she was just average looking but loved her personality, I doubt she would like him.

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I do admit that I like looking at men, naked men too, porn, all of that. I've been called a slut too. :biggrin1: But then, I hate double standards, and have simply always been very nontraditional. My longtime FWB says I'm a gay man in a woman's body. :biggrin1: But then, I don't believe in the stereotypes and "biology is destiny" type things that most people buy into.

And on the other hand, yes I do like fashion magazines and men who are dressed well...

And yeah, I don't want a guy saying I'm just average looking but have a great personality! I want to be told that I'm very attractive and have a great personality, too! :smile:

But i think us women are very visual. We arent supposed to do it openly but behind closed doors i think many of us love porn. We just need to find the right type that appeals to us.

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Many women I know are visual. Now I went to college with a bunch of women who would not look at naked men but then they also thought women weren't "supposed" to enjoy sex! They were very obviously (and this was confirmed with talking further with them) products of repressive upbringings, usually backed up by their religion. When you find women who weren't as repressed growing up, you get a lot more "visuality" with them, not to mention that they're probably better in bed. :biggrin1:

This is a leap in logical. There are plenty of other reasons to explain this. For one, women in our society are not supposed to show too much interest in sex or else they are called sluts. So many women are afraid to watch porn for that reason. Much of the porn is designed for men to watch, so it's not appealing for women. For example, the men are ugly and the women are good looking.

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Have you watched porn lately? The men these days are almost as beautiful as the women. It seems that just about all male porn stars these days, at least the ones with the major companies (not amateur stuff), are gym rats. The convention you're speaking of is a 1980s and 70s convention when men could get away with looking like Ron Jeremy. Those days are gone, for the most part.

Women have their own type of porn: romance novels. You don't find many men sitting and reading erotica. Men usually want pictures.

Naked is not a good look for most men or for most women, so in that way Elaine was correct. But all the women that I've gotten naked in front of seemed to like the visual. And my girlfriend once assured me that if I walked around naked in public that no women would complain.

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Yes, well, a quote from fictional character Elaine Benes of Seinfeld is not meant to be taken too seriously. And certainly I wasn't commenting on you and your interaction with whatever women you bed. I'm sure you look wonderful naked and I'm sure they love it.

And there are arguments that women are more visual. Look at all the fashion magazines that women like. And women love guys that are dressed well, etc, etc. But like I said, women can't admit that they like men for the looks or else people will think they are slutty. So they will not openly admit it.

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I was talking in the context of sexuality. Women are content to read about sex. Men want to see the pictures.