I'd imagine most of those guilds haven't really made an effort to try and get into ToES. In their case they probably stilll wouldn't have done it in 3 months time because it's not their aim or they aren't good enough and need to make more effort if they care about seeing the newer content.

It's up to blizzard to tune their stuff so that the bulk of people who want to do it, can in the time they allow between patches.

Pretty simple really, it ain't the playerbases job to keep up with blizzard, it's blizzards job to please the playerbase.

I think there's value in considering the idea, which will be hard to get used to for some, that the pace of content release may no longer be centered primarily around finishing up normal/heroic raiding tiers. Step back and look at it from Blizzard's point-of-view:

And hilariously, many of the raiding community that visits forums were entirely dismissive about patches that don't contain raids. Well, not much to say about that given some of the same people are now complaining that they can't finish T14 even with the time spent with 5.1.

If I very generously stipulate that 20% of everyone in the game is involved in some way in normal/heroic raiding, there's still no reason to hold up content release for the other 80% if it's ready to go. 5.2 will be a big raid tier and there's no denying that the new raid will be the star of the show, but it's not the only thing cooking and people who don't raid will find it enjoyable to go around and kill some dinosaurs, run LFR, or whatever.

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I feel like it's too early but that's just because I've slacked off on getting shit done so now that 5.2 is around the corner I'm scrambling to do things. My main isn't even at 480 ilvl yet, or done with collecting sigils for Wrathion. lol

Why are you complaining about not being able to finish a normal mode tier? That's what LFR is for.

A lot of guilds are going to conclude that if they can't finish it on normal mode, then LFR is all they are going to do. Why go into masochism mode in normal tuning that Blizzard has placed beyond their capabilities -- for slightly higher numbers that don't deliver any content that they'd actually end up enjoying?

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A lot of guilds are going to conclude that if they can't finish it on normal mode, then LFR is all they are going to do. Why go into masochism mode in normal tuning that Blizzard has placed beyond their capabilities -- for slightly higher numbers that don't deliver any content that they'd actually end up enjoying?

There were tons of guild that never got further than 11/12 heroic in Icc, 7-8/13 heroic in tier 11 and 6/7 heroic in Firelands. They sucked it up and moved on, despite never getting the opportunity of finishing their "content".

Current normal mode guilds are experiencing the same, yet they are apparently bitching about having to 'skip' content, something heroic raiders had to do for years now.

The only excuse for delaying content is for players to see it. Content spectator mode is what LFR is made for. Since everyone got access to LFR, everyone willing to invest an hour or two is able to experience content. Something players in Vanilla and Tbc had to visit warcraftmovies in order to do.

A lot of guilds are going to conclude that if they can't finish it on normal mode, then LFR is all they are going to do. Why go into masochism mode in normal tuning that Blizzard has placed beyond their capabilities -- for slightly higher numbers that don't deliver any content that they'd actually end up enjoying?

Typically it's all about the challenge. So it's time to put up or shut up about that for them. And if lot of guilds conclude that LFR is the best way for them, to the extent that people shut up about how LFR isn't raiding, it's a price I'm willing to accept. I don't think it will be quite that dire but a lot of people have seen T14 one way or another. To that extent, this is not like Wrath when they released raids practically on top of one another.

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Nope - what I'm saying is that the content is being released just a bit too early for most guilds and that this will cause a problem.

When you spend a year on a starvation diet, then you suddenly imbibe a four course meal - it will cause a problem.

This is not about ME, I am making a comment about the game about the players. I use various things I have experienced as an example, nothing more.

PS: If whinging about the game is bad, how bad is it whinging about the whingers ... ?

Now you're comparing a video game to being on a starvation diet? Man, you're reaching. I'm not "whinging". I'm just telling you you're options that you are ignoring. Because nothing will stop you from doing the content you OR your guild wants to do. You're making an excuse for it.

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Originally Posted by schwarzkopf

Well over half the guilds haven't even walked into ToES NORMAL yet.... that is a problem.

And nothing will stop them from walking into ToES when they're ready. Like I said, if Blizz did delay 5.2 for ppl to catch up. What is the limit? Because while you clear it, some guild out there is going to be saying "WE'RE NOT DONE YET! WTF! HOLD OFF". Should it be delayed until june?

You're using "in the past" as validation. But you're forgetting that Blizzard changes things all the time. "In the past" there was no LFR. So should they take LFR out?

You won't win this. 5.2 will be out in 2 weeks. So you can keep complaining about this, but just like the "you can turn the buff off" argument, "your guild can still raid T14 in 5.2".

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So you only raid for loot, not for the challenge. Should make you happy to get fresh shiny loot even quicker.

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