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I said they "will be" five years old this year, not they already are. They probably don't have a lot of 10 series cards in stock anymore. They're not excluding the 10-series because they simply can't. They're too new still and Nvidia is still actively optimizing for them. The 9-series is supported by current drivers, but its not like Nvidia is doing game specific optimizations for them and they haven't for a while now. They're still supported because they're not quite old enough to hit legacy status yet. Officially supporting old hardware, means spending resources testing on it to make sure everything works. That is extra time and money spent for what will probably be little to no real financial benefit and zero real negative results for not supporting them.

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I just watched a video, I think from ExtremeTech, where they showed off what using this on a non verified monitor looked like. The worst offender was the display blinking off kind of randomly for a split second. Something caught me by surprise, he said it would do it even if you used an AMD card, and that's where I started to doubt this whole thing, free-sync monitors should all just work fine with AMD cards. I think that nVidia is trying to force a certain window of compatible FPS that some free-sync monitors can't handle. If that's the case my monitor should work fine as it goes from 48-144hz. We'll see in a week I guess.

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I just watched a video, I think from ExtremeTech, where they showed off what using this on a non verified monitor looked like. The worst offender was the display blinking off kind of randomly for a split second. Something caught me by surprise, he said it would do it even if you used an AMD card, and that's where I started to doubt this whole thing, free-sync monitors should all just work fine with AMD cards. I think that nVidia is trying to force a certain window of compatible FPS that some free-sync monitors can't handle. If that's the case my monitor should work fine as it goes from 48-144hz. We'll see in a week I guess.

Flickering monitors happen on AMD hardware as well. I'm not 100% familiar with how it all works, but I've seen people say that its due to monitor manufacturers basically lying about their specs and forcing monitors to run in ways that the panels cannot handle. AMD does some work driver-side to try and force freesync monitors into compliance, but it doesn't always work. Even on some higher-end panels (like the LG ultrawide Nvidia is using as an example at CES) there are flickering issues. I believe some issues with these monitors are solved by changing some settings or doing various other tweaks as well, but it seems like Nvidia is just running them with out of the box settings and is not going to do monitor-by-monitor fixes in their drivers.

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Flickering monitors happen on AMD hardware as well. I'm not 100% familiar with how it all works, but I've seen people say that its due to monitor manufacturers basically lying about their specs and forcing monitors to run in ways that the panels cannot handle. AMD does some work driver-side to try and force freesync monitors into compliance, but it doesn't always work. Even on some higher-end panels (like the LG ultrawide Nvidia is using as an example at CES) there are flickering issues. I believe some issues with these monitors are solved by changing some settings or doing various other tweaks as well, but it seems like Nvidia is just running them with out of the box settings and is not going to do monitor-by-monitor fixes in their drivers.

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. My monitor always just worked out the box. It's an Acer XF270H, I've ran it with an R9 290x and an Rx 550 and both worked flawlessly. I just upgraded a couple of months ago to a 1070 and I'm really missing free-sync. I don't know if they've tested any older free-sync monitors, or just ones that are currently in production.

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Yes it is and no it doesn't. Nvidia put Fermi GPUs into legacy status in April of last year and has only been releasing critical updates for it since then. That critical update support ends this month.

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Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. My monitor always just worked out the box. It's an Acer XF270H, I've ran it with an R9 290x and an Rx 550 and both worked flawlessly. I just upgraded a couple of months ago to a 1070 and I'm really missing free-sync. I don't know if they've tested any older free-sync monitors, or just ones that are currently in production.

Its too bad Nvidia didn't release a list of which monitors they tested, how they were tested, and why they failed. While I imagine there might be good legal and/or business relations reasons not to do so it would be interesting to see the results so the end user has a better idea of what to expect when using a non-certified monitor.

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Its too bad Nvidia didn't release a list of which monitors they tested, how they were tested, and why they failed. While I imagine there might be good legal and/or business relations reasons not to do so it would be interesting to see the results so the end user has a better idea of what to expect when using a non-certified monitor.

From their keynote video, the implication I got was they're going to test all available monitors eventually. At that time, done 400 out of 600+. In same video, they showed examples of what was bad behaviour, blanking or strobing. On their website they mention a variable refresh operating region of at least 2.4x. Why that number, I don't know.

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From their keynote video, the implication I got was they're going to test all available monitors eventually. At that time, done 400 out of 600+. In same video, they showed examples of what was bad behaviour, blanking or strobing. On their website they mention a variable refresh operating region of at least 2.4x. Why that number, I don't know.

I know they plan to do all of them, but it would be nice to have a list that mentions exactly why each failed and how they did their testing. 2.4x is the requirement for low framerate compensation (LFC). LFC is one of the requirements for Gsync.

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So, I've been doing some digging and I may have found out a reason for Nvidia not enabling VRR on 900 and prior cards. The VESA VRR standard requires Displayport 1.2a. The 900 series only supports the base 1.2. This means that they cannot support VRR over Displayport. It seems like they, along with all current Nvidia cards, lack the ability to do VRR over HDMI as well, which would explain why this update only allows VRR over displayport.

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So, I've been doing some digging and I may have found out a reason for Nvidia not enabling VRR on 900 and prior cards. The VESA VRR standard requires Displayport 1.2a. The 900 series only supports the base 1.2. This means that they cannot support VRR over Displayport. It seems like they, along with all current Nvidia cards, lack the ability to do VRR over HDMI as well, which would explain why this update only allows VRR over displayport.

There's nothing in hardware preventing them from upgrading the DP output to a new standard unless the hardware is literally running a ROM.

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I know they plan to do all of them, but it would be nice to have a list that mentions exactly why each failed and how they did their testing. 2.4x is the requirement for low framerate compensation (LFC). LFC is one of the requirements for Gsync.

in pcworld article on gsync vs freesync i linked eariler

states nvidia has requirements besides lfc too

Nvidia hasn’t publicly detailed the requirements, but representatives tell me that the company works directly with panel makers like AU Optronics to optimize refresh rates, flicker properties, response times, and visual quality; then works with the display makers (like Asus and Acer) to fine-tune the on-screen display and more. Every monitor is calibrated to the sRGB color gamut.

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So, I've been doing some digging and I may have found out a reason for Nvidia not enabling VRR on 900 and prior cards. The VESA VRR standard requires Displayport 1.2a. The 900 series only supports the base 1.2. This means that they cannot support VRR over Displayport. It seems like they, along with all current Nvidia cards, lack the ability to do VRR over HDMI as well, which would explain why this update only allows VRR over displayport.

and in the nvidia blog there was nothing on what series it supports just they are testing with 10 and 20 series

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Yes it is and no it doesn't. Nvidia put Fermi GPUs into legacy status in April of last year and has only been releasing critical updates for it since then. That critical update support ends this month.

News to me, shows how long it has been since I put my 580 in anything, last time it had updates. Still, they support just past that now and did support them until 6 months ago, point being they typically support them for many many years, basically as long as they are still used and still able to push some modern games alright, otherwise face pissing people off. Remember how long people were still using the 8800 and getting driver updates?

1 hour ago, Derangel said:

So, I've been doing some digging and I may have found out a reason for Nvidia not enabling VRR on 900 and prior cards. The VESA VRR standard requires Displayport 1.2a. The 900 series only supports the base 1.2. This means that they cannot support VRR over Displayport. It seems like they, along with all current Nvidia cards, lack the ability to do VRR over HDMI as well, which would explain why this update only allows VRR over displayport.

I think it may be possible to do a soft update for that, but it makes a lot more sense. They both have the same bandwidth, and I think it literally isa firmware thing, but I could be wrong. Still, an actual reason, and they may not be able to fix that. I was able to find some sources in 2014 finding it odd that the 9 series would not have 1.2a for this exact reason too. My main annoyance was that gsync was supported as far back as the 6 series, and it's definitely possible, but probably harder.

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I heard its only pascal and turing that gonna support this be nice if its not true because then my nephew can upgrade he's monitor for cheap and just get a 144hz tn panel with freesync, since i be giving him a 780 ti soon

Coming next week, this is changing. On January 15th, NVIDIA will be releasing a new driver that enables VESA Adaptive Sync support on GeForce GTX 10 and GeForce RTX 20 series (i.e. Pascal and newer) cards.

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We will test monitors that deliver a baseline VRR experience on GeForce GTX 10-Series and GeForce RTX 20-Series graphics cards, and activate their VRR features automatically, enabling GeForce gamers to find and buy VRR monitors that will improve their gaming experience.

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NVIDIA isn't just taking money from people for nothing there is an additional cost due to having a G-Sync module integrated in the monitor. That hardware and integration isn't going to be free.

You’re right, it isn’t, but it means to get Gsync, due to the added module price someone will have to step down from a 2080 to a 2070. Or, they could keep the faster card, get a FreeSync monitor, and have a higher FPS experience.

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That's exactly what Black Friday/Cyber Monday is for. Consumers to buy last year's products "on the cheap" to make room in retailer inventories for new product launches the following year.

"On the cheap" is a stretch, since most retailers slowly bump up the prices over the preceding months, then reset them when Black Friday hits, giving the illusion of a great deal.

Snagged a Vega 56 with 3 games (XFX hooked me up. Newegg did not offer the gift) for 330 after 20.00 rebate. Not complaining

Lian Li O11 was in my top 3 new case choices at the 150 max budget but I went with the 570X... The Razer Edition O11 ships in Feb. I ordered the 570X weeks ago when I now know I should of waited. The Razer will sync up with all my other Razer rgb items where with the Corsair I was limited to their light strips, fans, exclusive hubs etc.

Still getting the LL120s of course but only a 3 now instead of 6. So with the lighting that comes with the razer pre installed and less "diplay" fans needed Ill be saving 250-300 at least! and I can also add a figure inside because I like it (NO pop funco bobbles heads. Gross)