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Yeah, how stupid of people to want more for their money. Whats wrong with them?

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No, you don’t get it at all.

The shiny logo is certainly worth all that extra money. Phones should be used primarily for jewelry and status, so it makes sense to have the shiniest logo.

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And it will still lag.

Um...where? Where did you see lag in that video? It opened apps faster than the iPhone did.

The processor in the Oneplus is faster than the one in the Nexus. And the Nexus is already spanking the iPhone.

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So long, battery!

Because the iPhone has the longest battery life right? Oh....wait a minute

The Oneplus will have a 3100mAh battery, comparable to the G2 and M8 and S5.

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Annihilating in the sense that you can’t see the pixels anyway, and so therefore they’re completely and utterly useless and only serve to waste battery life and processing power, you mean?

It has a big battery to compensate, and maybe you can't see pixels on the Retina display...I can see them just fine. But if you are satisfied with less, good for you. I am sure the fact that the iPhone has a teeny tiny display helps.

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Years of studies show that consumers consistently report Apple’s upgrade pricing is affordable.

The One+1 retails for $300, and has specs better than the best iPhone. How exactly are you people defining "Junk" phones? By Android standards, most iPhones are junk phones, since they are using 2 year old technology.

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Retina-annihilating 1080p display

6 lens 13MP sony-sensor camera and 5MP front camera

"Junk" really boils down to "Unfit for purpose". Age doesn't come into it, unless that actually restricts or limits the product in a way that impairs its usefulness.

I think the phrase "Retina-annihilating" could more accurately be replaced with "needlessly over-specified". The point about the Retina display is that it is beyond the average person's detail resolving ability so still higher resolution is a waste of effort. If all you're interested in is bigger numbers then you will no doubt get really annoyed when manufacturer X comes out with a 2550p display and rains on your parade. Of course the fetishisation of raw numbers is an important draw for some purchasers, and bigger is always better ...

With a 6 lens, 13MP camera does it actually take better pictures? Or does this simply refer back to my previous point? Again, if numbers are the be-all and end-all then you should of course drop everything for the Nokia Lumia 1020 which has a 41MP camera which must mean that it takes pictures at least 3 times better than the phone you mentioned, no?

It's just hilarious to us to see desperate attempts like this article to try to dredge up Android stereotypes that have not been true for years.

So the S in ASP is for Selling.

Moto E would be noteworthy if it were selling, rather than just being promoted by the Verge. Motorola lost $700 million in the last six months, and its now being sold off to China (if U.S. regulators approve of Google's transfer of all of that IP to Lenovo). It is not the reason why Android ASPs have been around $215 over the last year, before the Moto E was even announced.

What benefit would a "720p screen" have offered iPhone 5s users? It would only introduce hardware fragmentation like Android, making it harder for developers to build apps that look right. You confuse a specs race with a real benefit. Samsung is talking about using 4K screens in handheld devices, not out of some practical benefit for users, but only because they make screens and are looking for a market for them.

Again, what tangible benefit comes from an oddball, high resolution number, particularly when you can't play modern games on Android? Screens that large and dense require sophisticated processing to drive all those pixels. Android phones, particularly those low end devices that make up the majority of Android sales lack high end processing. Even Samsung's best phones have processors that perform worse than Apple's A7. Even the Galaxy S4 is beaten by Apple's much older iPhone 5/5c, unless Samsung has turned on its benchmark cheats/show off mode, in which case the battery runs dead.

iOS 7 is not a feature pack running on top of Java/Linux. It's a real OS. When Apple delivers a new iOS version, it improves the entire system. That said, Apple's releases aren't always without flaws. But the difference is that Apple patches flaws as they are discovered, and rolls out the full OS to devices that are as much as 3 years old. Google doesn't fix flaws in Android, doesn't deliver updates to phones that are more than a year old, and primarily delivers patches via Google Play Services, which is just a marketing pack, not an OS upgrade.

As for your link purporting to suggest that iOS 7 doesn't really update older phones, its graphic is quite embarrassing for you:

There are only a couple hardware-based features that are not supported on older phones (4/4S was released in 2010/2011).

Compare trying to finagle KitKat to run on 2011 phones, where all sorts of serious things don't work, from the camera to WiFi.

Android is still the weird hybrid of hobbyist nerds who think they are paying a premium for the biggest stats and budget junk buyers who buy what their carrier tells them to sign up for that it was in 2009. And Samsung is killing every other Android vendor, with a clear plan in place to turn around and migrate its users to Tizen. So where do you imagine Android is going?

Moto E would be noteworthy if it were selling, rather than just being promoted by the Verge. Motorola lost $700 million in the last six months, and its now being sold off to China (if U.S. regulators approve of Google's transfer of all of that IP to Lenovo). It is not the reason why Android ASPs have been around $215 over the last year, before the Moto E was even announced.

The supposed lack of sales does not appear to be hurting Android marketshare. Why are people buying all these cheap phones if iPhones are so desirable? Are they not worth paying what Apple is asking for them perhaps?

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What benefit would a "720p screen" have offered iPhone 5s users?

What benefit did the Retina Display offer? I mean other than marketing.

On the one had you keep saying "omg specs don't matter lol"...and on the other hand Apple keeps adding specs to it's new phones. Why is it doing this if specs don't matter? Does Apple know something you guys don't?

You can't have it both ways. If specs don't matter, why does Apple keep increasing it's specs? Do the higher specs of the iPhone 5s mean that the iPhone 5 was not good enough?

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iOS 7 is not a feature pack running on top of Java/Linux. It's a real OS.

...that actually does less than the "Feature Pack". That sounds like a sad OS.

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When Apple delivers a new iOS version, it improves the entire system.

...as long as you have the latest hardware. Otherwise expect slowdowns and stripped features.

But that is definitely not the same thing as fragmentation. That is TOTALLY different.

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That said, Apple's releases aren't always without flaws. But the difference is that Apple patches flaws as they are discovered, and rolls out the full OS to devices that are as much as 3 years old.

...and the performance definitely shows the 3 year age. But that does not matter, because their version number is the same as everyone else's version number. It does not matter that the user experience is decreased.

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Compare trying to finagle KitKat to run on 2011 phones

Kitkat runs awesomely on my HTC Rezound actually. Far better than stock. It did not slow it down, it sped it up. It did not remove features, it added them.

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where all sorts of serious things don't work, from the camera to WiFi.

Everything works on my Rezound. Bluetooth, Camera, Wifi...everything.

Apple people seem horribly uninformed on the current state of Android. They talk as if it is still 2010. A lot has changed since then, and I don't just mean Apple's declining marketshare.

Google officially ended support at KitKat...though I have KitKat running on mine anyway. And, as with the Rezound, it has never run better.

Google itself makes updates available to any phone that wants them. Unlike Apple, Google does not try to blacklist phones from getting any update they want. Even KitKat on the Galaxy nexus was like that...Google does not provide an official update, but does not attempt to stop anyone from making KitKat ROMs if they want.

It is up to the vendors roll out the updates they want. If non-Nexus phones don't get updates, it is because that Vendor does not want to push them...not because Google is refusing to provide them.

How exactly are you people defining "Junk" phones?
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Apple people seem to confuse "cheap" with "bad" and they are not necessarily the same thing.

There were 230 million Android phones sold around the world last quarter. And many, MANY of them were, in fact, terrible phones.

There are some great Android phones with incredible performance and specs... no one can deny that.

But the majority of Android sales are NOT those phones.

How many times do "good value for money" phones like the Moto G or Nexus 5 get mentioned on tech forums? A lot. But how many of those make up the entirety of Android sales? Not many... they're barely a blip on the radar.

You're forgetting about all the phones from companies we've never heard of... phones that were specifically built to be cheap.

There were 230 million Android phones sold around the world last quarter. And many, MANY of them were, in fact, terrible phones.

There are some great Android phones with incredible performance and specs... no one can deny that.

But the majority of Android sales are NOT those phones.

How many times do "good value for money" phones like the Moto G or Nexus 5 get mentioned on tech forums? A lot. But how many of those make up the entirety of Android sales? Not many... they're barely a blip on the radar.

You're forgetting about all the phones from companies we've never heard of... phones that were specifically built to be cheap.

More often than not... they are bad.

And they sell in incredible volume.

That makes it even more remarkable that Apple has lost so much marketshare...why are people buying these terrible Android phones instead of iPhones? Especially if they are the same price?

People can buy an iPhone for under $150, even off contract...so why are the Android phones selling instead?

Like I said... Android isn't only made up of the phones we always talk about... Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc. There are TONS of phones from companies we've never heard of that make up the majority of Android.

Like I said... Android isn't only made up of the phones we always talk about... Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, etc. There are TONS of phones from companies we've never heard of that make up the majority of Android.

And those phones tend to be cheap and bad.

Why is Apple overcharging so much in China and India?

We go back to my original point...people are not willing to pay what Apple is asking for these products. Thats why Android phones are selling more...people think they are worth what the vendor is asking for them. Those people do not think they are bad...if they did they would not be buying them.