I can't sit around and lurk anymore, I have to join in on the conversation! I realize that this is my 1st post on these boards but I've come to offer an informed, thought-out opinion on... yes... the Wii U and the inevitable reiteration of the Console Wars.

Everybody seems (or seemed) worried about sales (I was too) until I did a little reading and comparing:Xbox 360 from 11/16/05-01/01/06: 1.5 million units shippedPlayStation 3 from 11/11/06-01/01/07: 1.7 million units shippedWii from 11/19/06-01/01/07: 3.19 million units shippedWii U from 11/18/12-01/01/13: 3.06 million units sold

Not bad at all! No need to worry yet. Looking at the sales figures of these 4 consoles, the Wii U is doing great! However, I know everybody is worried about 3rd party support. During E3 2011 I was thrilled to hear that Nintendo was doing their best to attract as much 3rd party support as possible to the Wii U, since the lack of it really hurt the N64 and GameCube bad. It probably would have killed the Wii too had Wii Sports not been there (I'm only half serious). So yeah.. I think we can all agree that the Wii U needs as much 3rd party support as possible, and we just have to wait and trust in Nintendo to obtain it.

The biggest concern I have about the Wii U getting 3rd party support is... don't kill me... power. The Wii U has very good-looking visuals! Upcoming games like Pikmin 3 look amazing! However, I'm not convinced that they surpass the PS3 and 360. Looking at the CPUs:Xbox 360: 3.2 Ghz (3 cores)PlayStation 3: 3.2 Ghz (8 cores)Wii U: 1.24 Ghz (3 cores)

I'm no tech guru but I'm surprised to see such a large difference in processing power between two 7th Generation consoles and an 8th Generation console. Looking at the GPUs:Xbox 360: 500 MhzPlayStation 3: 550 MhzWii U: 550 Mhz

Ok so the Wii U is on-par with the PS3 and 360 in terms of GPU. The difference in CPU power is still confusing though. I guess what I'm mainly concerned about is the arrival of the PS4 and next Xbox. The PS4 is rumored to have 8 cores running at 1.6 Ghz each. I just have the feeling that these two upcoming consoles will have some pretty amazing specs, which could seriously hurt Nintendo's chances of 3rd party support... again.

I'm not totally on board with the GamePad either (I've played a few times at GameStop), but apparently a lot of you guys seem to really like it. In my opinion it's a bit awkward to hold, and I don't really like looking back and forth from TV to controller so much. Also, I hope Nintendo works out the menu loading times, the lag, the interface, etc. Finally, I'm not sure why they didn't include universal microphone support in both controller types. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I can't imagine it would be as fun playing with the Pro controller while talking through a headset that's connected to the GamePad. They could (and should) include a mic jack on subsequent Pro controllers.

I want the Wii U to succeed! I'm dying to see the new Zelda, X, Fire Emblem, and hopefully F-Zero (PLEASE!), I'm just concerned is all. Please offer your thoughts or constructive criticism

The Wii U could be 10 times more powerful than it currently is and still get only a fraction of the third party games released into the marketplace because of the selling power of Nintendo's 1st party exclusives. Sure, specification power could help bring a few extra games over, but how is that going to help change the wider perception amongst many of the industry's developers that there simply isn't a market for their games on Nintendo platforms? This has been and will remain the single biggest obstacle to third party support on Nintendo platforms, which is why I think that Nintendo making third party collaborations a priority in the future is a good idea because such arrangements might act as an 'ice breaker' as such for third partys working with Nintendo hardware, and conditional on the game selling well, it might just be the ticket to additional third party studios that currently don't develop blockbuster games for Nintendo platforms believing that they might have a chance of selling decent quantities of their own IPs on Nintendo platforms.

Power is a massive concern, we aren't going to kill you for saying that. Welcome to the boards!
Also, people here will argue that the Wii U actually overtakes the PS3/360 in both CPU and GPU speed, so be prepared for some fierce replies.

...specification power could help bring a few extra games over, but how is that going to help change the wider perception amongst many of the industry's developers that there is simply isn't a market for their games on Nintendo platforms? This has been and will remain the single biggest obstacle to third party support on Nintendo platforms, which is why I think that Nintendo making third party collaborations a priority in the future is a good idea because such arrangements might act as an 'ice breaker' as such for third partys working with Nintendo hardware, and conditional on the game selling well, it might just be the ticket to the third party studios believing that they might have a chance of selling decent quantities of their own IPs on Nintendo platforms.

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I hadn't thought of that being more important than specs alone, but now I can see how that might be. Good point! I'm glad then that Nintendo is working on creating and improving those relationships. Now if only EA would calm down..

Power is a massive concern, we aren't going to kill you for saying that. Welcome to the boards!
Also, people here will argue that the Wii U actually overtakes the PS3/360 in both CPU and GPU speed, so be prepared for some fierce replies.

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Thanks for the welcome! I'm nearly clueless when it comes to technical stuff, and they could be right! If I was wrong in my assessment of the specs, I'm fine with being corrected.

Wii U gets as far as Smash Bros and Mario can take it. I say 20-25 million lifetime sales tops.

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so WiiU did a lot better than PS3/360's launch, far far far from what you have claimed as a failuar machine.

your trolling is indeed pathetic.

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360 sold out at launch and kept selling out for an entire year. There were just not enough available to meet demand at launch. PS3 was too expensive but started selling a lot when it got a price drop.

Wii U's sales have basically stopped since the initial launch week buzz and sales. Nintendo themselves admitted it and had to lower there expectations for launch window sales. Not only that but software sales are even worse with once again only Mario selling anything. Best case scenario is this will be another Gamecube. Worst is it becomes Nintendo's Dreamcast.

I can't sit around and lurk anymore, I have to join in on the conversation! I realize that this is my 1st post on these boards but I've come to offer an informed, thought-out opinion on... yes... the Wii U and the inevitable reiteration of the Console Wars.

Everybody seems (or seemed) worried about sales (I was too) until I did a little reading and comparing:Xbox 360 from 11/16/05-01/01/06: 1.5 million units shippedPlayStation 3 from 11/11/06-01/01/07: 1.7 million units shippedWii from 11/19/06-01/01/07: 3.19 million units shippedWii U from 11/18/12-01/01/13: 3.06 million units sold

Not bad at all! No need to worry yet. Looking at the sales figures of these 4 consoles, the Wii U is doing great! However, I know everybody is worried about 3rd party support. During E3 2011 I was thrilled to hear that Nintendo was doing their best to attract as much 3rd party support as possible to the Wii U, since the lack of it really hurt the N64 and GameCube bad. It probably would have killed the Wii too had Wii Sports not been there (I'm only half serious). So yeah.. I think we can all agree that the Wii U needs as much 3rd party support as possible, and we just have to wait and trust in Nintendo to obtain it.

The biggest concern I have about the Wii U getting 3rd party support is... don't kill me... power. The Wii U has very good-looking visuals! Upcoming games like Pikmin 3 look amazing! However, I'm not convinced that they surpass the PS3 and 360. Looking at the CPUs:Xbox 360: 3.2 Ghz (3 cores)PlayStation 3: 3.2 Ghz (8 cores)Wii U: 1.24 Ghz (3 cores)

I'm no tech guru but I'm surprised to see such a large difference in processing power between two 7th Generation consoles and an 8th Generation console. Looking at the GPUs:Xbox 360: 500 MhzPlayStation 3: 550 MhzWii U: 550 Mhz

Ok so the Wii U is on-par with the PS3 and 360 in terms of GPU. The difference in CPU power is still confusing though. I guess what I'm mainly concerned about is the arrival of the PS4 and next Xbox. The PS4 is rumored to have 8 cores running at 1.6 Ghz each. I just have the feeling that these two upcoming consoles will have some pretty amazing specs, which could seriously hurt Nintendo's chances of 3rd party support... again.

I'm not totally on board with the GamePad either (I've played a few times at GameStop), but apparently a lot of you guys seem to really like it. In my opinion it's a bit awkward to hold, and I don't really like looking back and forth from TV to controller so much. Also, I hope Nintendo works out the menu loading times, the lag, the interface, etc. Finally, I'm not sure why they didn't include universal microphone support in both controller types. Seems like a no-brainer to me. I can't imagine it would be as fun playing with the Pro controller while talking through a headset that's connected to the GamePad. They could (and should) include a mic jack on subsequent Pro controllers.

I want the Wii U to succeed! I'm dying to see the new Zelda, X, Fire Emblem, and hopefully F-Zero (PLEASE!), I'm just concerned is all. Please offer your thoughts or constructive criticism

I dont think power will be the deciding factor for most 3rd party developers, after all even COD was released on wii. If a PC game can downscale to consoles then ps4 and 720 can downscale to wii u. It's all about business decisions and such, things I know nothing about.

I dont think power will be the deciding factor for most 3rd party developers, after all even COD was released on wii. If a PC game can downscale to consoles then ps4 and 720 can downscale to wii u. It's all about business decisions and such, things I know nothing about.

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You're right about COD, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think different development teams made the CODs for PS3/360 than the ones for Wii. They essentially made a different game. I'm not sure they could do the same thing with, say.. the next Elder Scrolls for example (make a whole other game that is).

Regarding GTAV, DmC, Dead Space 3, etc... they all seem to be business decisions like you said since I'm sure they could all run on the Wii U.

I'm no tech guru but I'm surprised to see such a large difference in processing power between two 7th Generation consoles and an 8th Generation console. Looking at the GPUs:Xbox 360: 500 MhzPlayStation 3: 550 MhzWii U: 550 Mhz

Ok so the Wii U is on-par with the PS3 and 360 in terms of GPU. The difference in CPU power is still confusing though. I guess what I'm mainly concerned about is the arrival of the PS4 and next Xbox. The PS4 is rumored to have 8 cores running at 1.6 Ghz each. I just have the feeling that these two upcoming consoles will have some pretty amazing specs, which could seriously hurt Nintendo's chances of 3rd party support... again.

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Well to clear up some misconceptions, clock speed =/= measure of performance. One CPU could have 3x the clock speed of another CPU, but if takes 4-5 times as many clock cycles to execute an instruction, then it's still slower performance wise. So when you say their GPUs have similar speeds, that really means nothing by itself.

Thanks! Seems like Nintendo themselves aren't concerned with the Wii U's power at all. That's good to know.

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No problem, besides in your case I would do a "wait and see approach" for the Wii U. Iwata said a Nintendo Direct dealing with third party support is coming. Hopefully that conference is a good indication of future third party support.

The Wii U could be 10 times more powerful than it currently is and still get only a fraction of the third party games released into the marketplace because of the selling power of Nintendo's 1st party exclusives. Sure, specification power could help bring a few extra games over, but how is that going to help change the wider perception amongst many of the industry's developers that there simply isn't a market for their games on Nintendo platforms? This has been and will remain the single biggest obstacle to third party support on Nintendo platforms, which is why I think that Nintendo making third party collaborations a priority in the future is a good idea because such arrangements might act as an 'ice breaker' as such for third partys working with Nintendo hardware, and conditional on the game selling well, it might just be the ticket to additional third party studios that currently don't develop blockbuster games for Nintendo platforms believing that they might have a chance of selling decent quantities of their own IPs on Nintendo platforms.

I dont think power will be the deciding factor for most 3rd party developers, after all even COD was released on wii. If a PC game can downscale to consoles then ps4 and 720 can downscale to wii u. It's all about business decisions and such, things I know nothing about.

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You're right about COD, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think different development teams made the CODs for PS3/360 than the ones for Wii. They essentially made a different game. I'm not sure they could do the same thing with, say.. the next Elder Scrolls for example (make a whole other game that is).

Regarding GTAV, DmC, Dead Space 3, etc... they all seem to be business decisions like you said since I'm sure they could all run on the Wii U.

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Yeah Treyarch did the ports for a couple of the wii CODs, but they were stripped down of coarse. When it comes to next gen I dont think the difference in power will be so drastic that they have to make a different version of the game though. It's all speculation though for now.

The Wii U could be 10 times more powerful than it currently is and still get only a fraction of the third party games released into the marketplace because of the selling power of Nintendo's 1st party exclusives. Sure, specification power could help bring a few extra games over, but how is that going to help change the wider perception amongst many of the industry's developers that there simply isn't a market for their games on Nintendo platforms? This has been and will remain the single biggest obstacle to third party support on Nintendo platforms, which is why I think that Nintendo making third party collaborations a priority in the future is a good idea because such arrangements might act as an 'ice breaker' as such for third partys working with Nintendo hardware, and conditional on the game selling well, it might just be the ticket to additional third party studios that currently don't develop blockbuster games for Nintendo platforms believing that they might have a chance of selling decent quantities of their own IPs on Nintendo platforms.

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Why do you always talk so intelligent?

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My posts are incoherent and consist of nonsensical rambling but if they are perceived as intelligent, then i'll take that.

Wii U gets as far as Smash Bros and Mario can take it. I say 20-25 million lifetime sales tops.

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If you continue posting such a bullshit i will have to consider to start a petition named " IGN: Ban ScorpionKing23 from the Nintendo boards "

I wonder how many votes that one would get...

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What bullshit is he posting? He's just estimating how much he thinks the Wii U will sell. So what if you don't agree with him, he's a troll?
I don't agree with his estimate but again, you can't change what he thinks.
I doubt any of you guys who have thought the PS3 would have sold 70 million in 2007.
For all we know, he could be right. Or it could go on to sell 50 million. Who knows? He's just guessing.

Wii U gets as far as Smash Bros and Mario can take it. I say 20-25 million lifetime sales tops.

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If you continue posting such a bullshit i will have to consider to start a petition named " IGN: Ban ScorpionKing23 from the Nintendo boards "

I wonder how many votes that one would get...

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What bullshit is he posting? He's just estimating how much he thinks the Wii U will sell. So what if you don't agree with him, he's a troll?
I don't agree with his estimate but again, you can't change what he thinks.
I doubt any of you guys who have thought the PS3 would have sold 70 million in 2007.
For all we know, he could be right. Or it could go on to sell 50 million. Who knows? He's just guessing.

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Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

If you continue posting such a bullshit i will have to consider to start a petition named " IGN: Ban ScorpionKing23 from the Nintendo boards "

I wonder how many votes that one would get...

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What bullshit is he posting? He's just estimating how much he thinks the Wii U will sell. So what if you don't agree with him, he's a troll?
I don't agree with his estimate but again, you can't change what he thinks.
I doubt any of you guys who have thought the PS3 would have sold 70 million in 2007.
For all we know, he could be right. Or it could go on to sell 50 million. Who knows? He's just guessing.

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Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

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I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

What bullshit is he posting? He's just estimating how much he thinks the Wii U will sell. So what if you don't agree with him, he's a troll?
I don't agree with his estimate but again, you can't change what he thinks.
I doubt any of you guys who have thought the PS3 would have sold 70 million in 2007.
For all we know, he could be right. Or it could go on to sell 50 million. Who knows? He's just guessing.

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Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

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I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

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No one said he was wrong, but as far as him being negative is the question.

Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

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I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

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No one said he was wrong, but as far as him being negative is the question.

What bullshit is he posting? He's just estimating how much he thinks the Wii U will sell. So what if you don't agree with him, he's a troll?
I don't agree with his estimate but again, you can't change what he thinks.
I doubt any of you guys who have thought the PS3 would have sold 70 million in 2007.
For all we know, he could be right. Or it could go on to sell 50 million. Who knows? He's just guessing.

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Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

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I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

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Maybe you should do this next time before you try to call someone out..

I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

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No one said he was wrong, but as far as him being negative is the question.

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He called him out for posting bullshit, not for being negative...

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I could have told him in ANY other thread what kind of bullshit he basically posts either , it would have been random EVERYWHERE...

Sorry but he knew that someone ( or more ) will notice his negative posts one day that only exist to bash the console.
He was dealing with the fact of being called a " troll " for such posts since the start.

Did you EVER look at his posting history??? I HIGHLY recommend you to take a look at it...
I NEVER called anyone on this board directly a troll yet but he is definitely the first one who deserves that title.

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I don't go looking into other posters history, or remember what they post, he has done nothing wrong in this thread...

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Maybe you should do this next time before you try to call someone out..

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I didn't have to... You called out a poster for posting an estimation! I didn't called you out, I defended his right to post it. I could care less what him or you post on another thread!