Welcome and thanks for reading! I’m Vlad and I’m afraid we’ve got off on the wrong foot. With some of you, at least. I’ve tried to make you interested by teasing you. It’s my fault, so I apologize.

I’d like to outline now my view on conspiracy and ask for your opinion on it.

History could be largely parted in two: the modern times and the “Ancien Régime”. The latter reffers to prerevolutionary France, but can be easily extended to all history back in time until the Fall. The temporal line between these periods can be traced somewhere at the end of XVIII century, when “some” revolutions took place: the French, the American and the Industrial. Well, some may even go back more than a century earlier, to English Civil War.

Here comes our prejudices and fake knowledge. I learned like you all in school that our times are the most glorious, while the old times were those of unceasing war, bigotry, famine, epidemics, ignorance etc. That we have the luck and the privilege of civilisation; we’ve put all those terrible things behind us and we are heading towards a glowing future. Surely, we encounter difficulties on the way, but we are able now to overcome them.

So, according to the official doctrine, the modern man is educated, civilised, peaceful, confident, open-minded, while the other was some sort of a fanatic troglodyte. Now. How would you take it if I’d tell you, as you’ve already guessed, that although there is some truth in it, things are actually the reverse? Not too well, I’m afraid. I’m sure I wouldn’t, if I were you, although … here is the big problem … I’ve come on this forum to find out new things, so nothing should seem too extraordinary to me.

How should I put it to you to make you give it at least the benefit of a doubt? I know I haven’t made a good impression to the most of you, so things are even more difficult. It’s the key of my message, so if I blow it, I may go as well to ruminate on my own the ultimate truth that I think I’ve discovered. It’s not a question of who’s right and who’s wrong, or who have read more books and now is showing off. It’s something so big that I cannot keep it to myself; I must at least know what others think about it.

I must have grown a little fond of you in a very short time (I wonder why?), otherwise I cannot explain why something initially intended to be just a casual experiment, like “Well, let’s see what folks would say if they hear it. They didn’t buy it? Well, too bad. It means that nothing could prevent the disaster, so I’d better go on with my life, because hey! the end isn’t here yet, so I’d better enjoy the little time left”, become so important to me.

So I beg you all, please, reply me whatever you think of it, whether you think it is at least partially true or it’s not the kind of thing you’re on this site for. I need your feedback in order to know should I continue or not. If you want more details, ask me. If you don’t, ask me too! Please, don’t ignore it; if you want me out, grab your chance! The casual readers: don’t just stay there; come on, register, login and gimme your best shot! It’s free! You know, all revolutions started this way; and I assure you I’m as reactionary as one can be!

I wish I had “a way with words” and convince you …

There was a time when people would gather to tell each other fairy tales that they really believed. Honour was the measure of a man. People took pride in their deeds. There was a hierarchy, but it was natural. Aristocracy and clergy weren’t the degenerates you’ve been taught to believe they were or you see them today. There was pride everywhere, whether castles or cottages. There existed a true elite, at all levels of society. A good man couldn’t be kept down. He had a sense of direction and of proportions. He was a farmer, a fighter and a father.

The land was the law. People were so deep-rooted in land as they were high-reaching in their faith. The “axis mundi” passed through each of them, in spite of their “collectivism”. “Collective” meant then family and community. Mankind was slowly but surely travelling through time; tradition was its way.

There were terrible abuses then too, to be sure. There were wars and epidemics and so on, but … their civilisation wasn’t destroyed. On the contrary, it evolved (?) into our own civilisation. If those times were so terrible, how come we still exist, anyway? As the history books present the facts, mankind should be dead and buried long ago.

Then came the modern state. The process was longer in time than a few years of revolution: the Great Schism in 1054, the geographic discoveries, the commerce and banking, the Rennaissance and Reform … It was all the result of conspiracy.

It claims that it freed people. From what? From “superstitions” (i.e. religion), servitude, diseases, ignorance. Now comes the trickiest part for me. How should I show you that this claim is false? Is a terrible paradox for anyone to solve. I know that so many diseases were eradicated for good, there are no more religious wars (really?) and Inquisition, people are all literate (?), people are equal (this is the biggest lie of all) and a lot of great things have been brought by modernity. But at what price?

“The bigger the lie, the more is believed” was the cynical aforism that guided Hitler in his political ascent. It’s something so big, so all around us, that tends to take us over and become our own nature. And who has the guts to question his own nature?

I’m not professing to go back to feudalism; no, by no means. That was far from being a perfect society, but I claim that this society is EVEN FURTHER in its perfectionism. We are lost because we have forgotten where we come from. In the age of information it is possible to hide from people things so essential to them; to hide people from themselves, in fact. They’ve made us so proud (of what?) than we throw away whatever we cannot understand or we feel it might threaten our condition. It is ourselves who should we question first.

If you like to read more details comparing the two systems, go to the excellent site “INTEGRAL TRADITION” recommended by our friend Draken and read the materials there. You find it at:

www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/

My question to you is: are you ready to seriously accept such an idea, that we have in fact lost our way, with our well-being and all and have become cattle for Illuminati? Can you face such a challenge? In my humble (?) opinion, this is the ground for searching a real solution. This may be the starting point for an adventurous quest. Intellectually, of course, but - who knows?

Speak now and I’ll be silent for ever, if this is what you want.

One more thing, please. I came on this forum for ideas. I was willing to provoke discussions centered on ideas. So please don’t drift away from the point in your replies and begin some bickering between yourselves, as I’ve seen is the habit on all forums. If you go to the end of a thread you don’t know anymore what was all about when it started. Stick to the point, please.

Thank you and God bless you!

DarkChilde3D

02-10-2005, 09:31 AM

I'm impressed with your pattern of thought. . . maybe you could be of some help with the story/movie we're going to be hopefully doing. You can find it in the Lounge Forum.

get_real

02-10-2005, 10:20 AM

DarkChilde3D wrote:
I'm impressed with your pattern of thought. . . maybe you could be of some help with the story/movie we're going to be hopefully doing. You can find it in the Lounge Forum.

Hey DC, how are ya?

Just wondering...have you decided on a rating for this movie? PG? yes, no?

billiard

02-10-2005, 10:31 AM

Vlad

so what , exactly , is the question ?

Billiard

truebeliever

02-11-2005, 01:03 AM

Yes it's a little like the French Revoloution where the peasants were supposedly so repressed they simply had to cast off the chains in a bloodbath.

Of course it actually was'nt so bad and most of the shit conditions began after the Illuminst idiots managed to stuff things up.

The past is never as bad as it seemed. Tell me the 20th centuary was not the era of the most misery...EVER?

I believe we will head back to a villiage type structure with locals making local decisions.

Our Master will be God and we will each have to have time to reflect on our purpose for living and being here.

The current economic system does not allow this. Hence God manifests in all sorts of different ways and in all sorts of different behaviours.

Living decently is extremely easy. Dont let the social engineer's and the lovers of 'ims's' tell you any different.

Human beings are well qualified to organise someone to collect the garbage for them.

Draken

02-11-2005, 08:56 AM

billiard!

My question to you is: are you ready to seriously accept such an idea, that we have in fact lost our way, with our well-being and all and have become cattle for Illuminati? Can you face such a challenge? In my humble (?) opinion, this is the ground for searching a real solution. This may be the starting point for an adventurous quest.

DarkChilde3D

02-11-2005, 10:00 AM

The movie? Well, it will be as graphic as it needs to be. I would hope for it to have a PG rating . . . maybe a PG13, but if it has to go all the way to R, we'll pixel out what needs to be pixeled out in order to make it a PG13. We need to teach the kids, while they are at the impressionable, mind forming high-school age what is really going on. This shit is not going to stop while we are alive . . . its too big. We have to worry about equipping our kids with the mental ammunition necessary to fight the powers that be.

55132

02-12-2005, 11:26 AM

Vlad

I read I agree with you 100% man has lost much since the french revolution which in my book was just a battle in the timeless war since the luciferin rebellion. But sometimes I think that the renaissance had more dire consequence, don't you think so?

Though maybe the french revolution was the turning point on man slide from true independence and in to slavery.

In times past there was poverty but not misery which is a product of the industrial age.

Prior to this there was as many people as the earth could sustain and each man and family could live independently and provide everything that they needed if not individually collectively. There was a balance and above all a homogeny that has been lost mostly by western man.

Today we have to pay for everything that once was available to the individual man, things like water, food, shelter and the funny thing is that we don’t even own the money that we work for just the value which without their money is worthless.

Just think of what would happen today if the economy failed, its consequence would be terrible.

I am no Luddite but I think most of the modern technology has been developed to enslave us and keep our minds off the important things in life. Yes Vlad we are in worse shape than our ancestors.

55132

Draken

02-12-2005, 11:56 AM

Amen to that, 55132.

Today we have to pay for everything that once was available to the individual man, things like water, food, shelter and the funny thing is that we don’t even own the money that we work for just the value which without their money is worthless.

And they call all those things "human rights". What kind of civilization do we have if we have to pay for our supposed "human rights" with worthless paper money we don't even own?

nohope187

02-12-2005, 06:34 PM

Hey Draken, I believe the word you're looking for to describe modern civization is "Barbarism".
As the days go by, civilization becomes more animalistic or beast-like. God is in his heavens and all is NOT right with the world. Which reminds me, I need to go get a drink. cheers! :evil: :pint: :-o :oops: :roll: :-?

55132

02-12-2005, 09:52 PM

I followed vlads link and I belive he is an agent of disinfo. The site that the link are clearly of gnostic origin. So even though I agree with what he has posted he is coming from an occult background and decieving just likem his father satan.

55132

madkhao

02-13-2005, 03:11 AM

Wow, it's been really cold on this forum lately.

truebeliever

02-13-2005, 03:17 AM

Yes I agree. My Prozacs kicking in however.

Though they say certain segments of the population employ professional disinformationists to post on these forums I doubt it.

Any dissent is locally motivated.

The enemy we identify is to stupid to debate.

Look what happened to Free Mason Boy when he stepped into the Lions Den pentagram in hand and snake in the other.

It's certainly perused regularly by the Department of Homeland Insecurity and they pass on any threats to burn down Freemason Lodges...eh FMB?

Ozziecynic

02-16-2005, 05:59 AM

:roll:I disagree ofcause Tb i have found you to be the perfect disinfo agent you twist and turn with inconsistancy and hypocrisy with every post!

Why should anyone believe any of your visual Faeces! :roll:

Vlad

02-22-2005, 02:49 AM

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/whygotochurch.aspx

marypopinz

02-22-2005, 06:36 AM

I actually agree with the majority of what true writes. Just my opinion.

Ozzie, i think he just pisses you off, that's all. If it were a debate, he'd win hands down. Sorry.

AISB_Watch

02-22-2005, 06:41 AM

Vlad,

I don't see why it has to get so overly metaphysical. You end up arguing about how many angels are dancing on the tip of a pin!

My only motivation is to set the record straight, period. What anyone cares to do with the information is completely up to them. I don't preach and I don't pretend to have any special knowledge to enlighten the masses.

The first link you gave is cut from the same cloth as the illuminati. It's disinfo. So what gives?
The gnostics who claim to be the "keepers" of the hidden knowledge. It's why people join secret societies and cults in the first place.

marypopinz

02-22-2005, 06:48 AM

Yup.

Jimbo

02-22-2005, 05:28 PM

Question: Have We Become "Cattle" For "Illuminati" ? :-o :-o :-o

I don’t think “man” has lost his ways. The more we live, through the centuries, & the more time we’ve had to ponder upon the ideas, the more evolved, enlightened, & clear our thoughts become, & the fact that we’ve had more time to learn from the experiences of others that have come before us. However, I do think we have become “cattle” for the “Illuminati” & we have had our ways stolen by them. Secret knowledge is obviously kept secret to give the “gatekeepers” of that knowledge a “secret” advantage over the control & manipulation of society at large. If a particular piece of knowledge instead of enriching the life of 1 family, let’s say, it enriched all of society equally, then things wouldn’t be so expensive. All people would have more time to enjoy life. Most of us wouldn’t be working hard most of our life & then loose almost everything you worked for during the time that just 1 person was presiding. The world would be almost a paradise, literally. However, for that to happen, major changes would be required right at the top, where all of the secret knowledge is kept. Without getting into the details of that, we could conclude that the outcome would be, that many of those supper rich people would be in prison for major wrong doings, & the rest that didn’t end up in prison wouldn’t be so great any more. Because the consequence of “enlightenment” would void all of the “differences” that now exist & are created by the separation that exists between the “have-s” & the “have-not-s”. Then, the fact that “all men were created equal” would once again have the meaning that was intended when all men had a direct link to their source, God. We have digressed in some ways, but in the journey, we may have found ourselves again.
8-)

DaddyLongLeg

03-22-2005, 06:32 AM

Vlad,

I finally understand your point. I must admit that to begin with I simply glossed over your article because I had the will to fight in my heart. I didn’t really want to understand your point because the new world order conspiracy was far too important to me. And that is the problem: it was too important to me. Conspiracy is an obsession, and as with all obsessions, they are extremely unhealthy for your heart: your spirit.

If you consider the four aspects of well being; Physical; Intellectual; Emotional and Spiritual, the obsession with conspiracy causes you to focus too strongly on the Intellectual aspect: you become consumed by it. You actually gain satisfaction out of thinking you are a source of all-important knowledge. Like a guru I suppose. I think it is important to understand what is going on around us, but leave it at that and then go out and enjoy your time with the people you care about. You’ve got to spend time developing your Spiritual side as well as the other three. I believe that obsessions such as conspiracy more often than not causes you to loose touch with your Spiritual aspect.

Because there is a Spiritual aspect to us, it is crucial that we do not ignore it and become obsessed with one or all of the other three. I truly believe that ignoring the Spiritual is the reason for unhappiness and depression amongst us. In addition, it leaves us feeling confused and maybe even hopeless.

Campaigning about the new world order is an okay thing to do as long as it is not the thing that defines you.

To be honest with you, and everyone else here, new world order conspiracy was an obsession for me, but I can confidently say that it isn’t any longer.

Draken

03-22-2005, 08:55 AM

I'm glad you revived this thread, DaddyLongLeg!

Also, congratulations for your insight! ;-)

Now, don't get carried away by my compliments - this is where you START going in another direction.