[quote=NetworkTV;25148170]Which is why I honestly would rather see better HD with the bandwidth they're giving to 4K than trying to view 4K in a wrapper that doesn't quite fit the product.

Really good HD looks great on any screen. Bit starved 4K will have the same compression artifacts and washed out visuals regardless of screen size. I'd rather a little less detail in the master than have any improvement be lost with the amount of compression they'll squeeze it all down with. What good is creating content where you can see every freckle when it's just going to get compressed into wax by the time it reaches the viewer?

I would like to see the H265 used for 1080p rather than H264. This would allow for the same bandwidth better quality data stream. As for UHD/4k etc., that is all good and dandy that they are getting their start given that there are not many TVs out there to support it (let alone devices).

Who would have thought that old people would be the ones ushering in high speed internet? Netflix is going to basically be forcing the USA to update it's communication systems in the coming years, it seems.

FWIW - I compared the streaming experience with the movie Hitch. At one time, Amazon had it in 1080p (this is in November 2014) and Netflix had it in 4K.

Some will be surprised to know that the Amazon 1080p stream looked at least as good (better in some scenes) than the Netflix 4K stream - indicating that either my Samsung TV upscalar was very good... or that 4K streams are not given enough bandwidth to preserve the details.

- Is that the average speed for all customers, regardless of whether they're watching SD, HD or 4K?
- Is that the average speed or the average max speed?
- Is that the average peek speed or average sustained speed?
- Does that include high end customers or only the average connections most customers have?

While I'm sure that the speeds are pretty low for Netflix, I can't possibly believe that's all you're going to get for 4K. Those are low even for the doochiest of providers.

Those speeds would be pretty good for a 5mb/s or even a 10mb/s connection, but if someone is on a 30,40 or 50mb/s plan and only getting under 4Mb/s from Netflix, that's an issue. The problem is, that chart doesn't tell us how many people were measured, what their max plan speed is, how long they were measured and for what content.

The Netflix ISP Speed Index lists the average prime time bitrate for Netflix content streamed to Netflix members during a particular month. For 'prime time' we take the peak three hours of Netflix streaming on a daily basis per ISP.

For 'speed' we measure, in megabits per second (Mbps), the average bitrate for Netflix content streamed by Netflix members per ISP. We measure speed across all available devices.

Excluded from our measurements across all ISP networks are a small number of plans, devices for which we cannot record accurate bitrates and streaming over identified mobile networks.

The speed shown on the Netflix ISP Speed Index is not a measurement of an ISP’s maximum network throughput or capacity.

It would be nice to see what UHD-capable customers are getting on the average, and what HD-capable customers are getting, but we aren't given that type of breakout.

Really? In the wrong hands, any TV can be made to look bad. You should have seen how awful the OLED looked at my local Best Buy. After owning a 4K, I have a dislike for jaggies ... http://samsung-4k-6840.tumblr.com/

I am disappointed that, according to the original post in this thread, "initial reports indicate that the new UHD/4K streams do not quite rise to Blu-ray quality." I want steaming 4K content to surpass blu-ray quality before I open my wallet for a 4K television.

I am disappointed that, according to the original post in this thread, "initial reports indicate that the new UHD/4K streams do not quite rise to Blu-ray quality." I want steaming 4K content to surpass blu-ray quality before I open my wallet for a 4K television.

Well, what would one expect of 15mbps stream of 4k video when bluerays are 1/4 the resolution but almoat 5x the data (3x even counting the more efficient codec)

No I wouldn't buy a uhd tv for Netflix 4k, but for the new upcoming uhd-bluerays that would by all estimations blow the socks off the current blueray spec.

I am wondering if the streaming providers can use some workaround:
1. First send the movie file with "holes" to the end-user media player using legacy file transfer protocol
2. Then streaming "holes" as usual, while erasing displayed parts of the stored movie file.

I think the netflix 4k streaming is pretty damn good. May not be as good as having a disk with uncompressed data, but I can tell the difference. Especially when its true 4k that was filmed in 4k not converted.

Yes. I have a Samsung 2014 version 4K set and it has a UltraFlix app. Entire library is 4K - and offers a 3-min preview to allow one to confirm picture quality - great service ... especially for IMAX films that were originally shot on 70mm. Very satisfied.

They can manufacture 8K sets if they like, but there's virtually no content that's ever been produced that could take advantage of that format. There's very little that can take advantage of 4K, let alone 8K.