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Ellis brings all the attention on offense that Melo brings he can score from all over the court and actually spreads the ball better than Melo. Some of you haven't seen Melo play only playoffs. Billups and Nene carry Melo year in and year out so far to the playoffs. Melo scores that's it. We are already the highest scoring offense but one of the lower defense teams and your idea is to bring in more offense.

Melo is sometimes a black hole on offense, Remember the Nuggets vs Knicks game how many times did Clyde say he ain't passing that up and Melo shot jumper after jumper. I even watched a few games on league pass this guy goes iso mode and keeps his head towards the rim no passes.

Damn son I would love the Day people think for themselves and stop letting the media tell them what to think.

We don't need no Melo. The crazy thing is a lot of people lobbying for Melo where saying Yellow Mellow and few months back. That sound familiar.

Go check metro's old thread and you'll see. Damn everyone just follows what ever player espn says we need

Yes your right I did call him Yellow Melo some months back. And I haven't been shy about pointing out his weaknesses. He aint my fav player, not even close. I haven't been shy bout that. But he would help us A LOT. I'm just trying to be rational. You should try it.

It's not rational to say a scorer like Melo wouldn't help a team that likes to outscore people.. Our already prolificly effective scoring would reach uber effective status overnight almost. To me it's silly to deny that he wouldn't help us. Just like it's silly for you to think Ellis > Melo You just sound dumb.

I can see where both of you guys are coming from, and agree. I can also understand where Knicksfan can say what he is saying. Yes, Ellis is a scorer on a bad team. Hopefully we all agree on that. On the other hand, IF Ellis were in a better system and good locker room leadership (ie, STAT since he's come to NY or Boston) Ellis could shake that label. Carmelo though is a much better all around player than Ellis. Rebounds at a higher rate, creates for others, AND scores the ball well. Like Rono said, Melo took a mediocre team to 50+ wins and the playoffs by himself. If Melo is a man of his word he waits it out till FAgency or forces Denver to deal him to NY at the deadline for pennies on the dollar so we can keep most of our lineup intact. If Melo is there and can be had at a reasonable price you go out and get him. For all we know the DLee deal over the summer may at one time have included Ellis but, I'm wagering a bet here that their GM valued him higher than his true value when you break down his game and stats and Donnie passed.

Yes your right I did call him Yellow Melo some months back. And I haven't been shy about pointing out his weaknesses. He aint my fav player, not even close. I haven't been shy bout that. But he would help us A LOT. I'm just trying to be being rational. You should try it.

It's not rational to say a scorer like Melo wouldn't help a team that likes to outscore people.. Our already prolificly effective scoring would reach uber effective status overnight almost. To me it's silly to deny that he wouldn't help us. Just like it's silly for you to think Ellis > Melo You just sound dumb.

OKAY SO IF WE WANT MORE SCORING WHY NOT ELLIS HE IS A SCORER PLAIN AND SIMPLE MELO IS OVVERATED EVERONE KNOWS THIS. HE IS NOT A LEADER HE HASN'T LEAD HIS TEAM ANYWHERE. BILLUPS IS THE LEADER , WHAT HAPPEN WHEN A.I WAS ON THE TEAM HE DIDN'T LEAD THEM ANYWHERE.

So a forward who can score from the post and beyond the arc almost at will, create his own shots, who's clutch, a good rebounder and defender and has strong leadership in a winning team is not enough for you to be considered among the best? Good to know.

OKAY SO IF WE WANT MORE SCORING WHY NOT ELLIS HE IS A SCORER PLAIN AND SIMPLE MELO IS OVVERATED EVERONE KNOWS THIS. HE IS NOT A LEADER HE HASN'T LEAD HIS TEAM ANYWHERE. BILLUPS IS THE LEADER , WHAT HAPPEN WHEN A.I WAS ON THE TEAM HE DIDN'T LEAD THEM ANYWHERE.

WE DON'T NEED MELO

I'm partial to Melo waiting it out and if he really want to come here he can in the offseason. What did he do tonight though?

10 boards. That's something Ellis couldn't bring with his 6'3" rail thin frame. We have a 6'10" guy with a similar body type that was supposed to be ferocious on the glass and blocking shots and what has he been doing? The East plays a different kind of ball and we all know it. Aside from the Lakers out west who legitimately has firepower and big bodies to throw at a team? Melo has the body type to succeed here with his slashing and rebounding. He can take more beating driving his way in and getting the contact. Ellis would break down quicker out here. Ellis has missed, MISSED 90 games. That's a season plus a first round playoff series. Melo has missed 64 in his years in the league. Both those number don't include current seasons. Some of the games Melo sat out were late in the season after Denver had clenched a playoff berth or the birth of his first child and not due to illness or inability to play. Almost all of Ellis' games were due to illness/inability to play. Even out west he is not as durable as Melo. All of these things need to be factored in if you are going to say Melo is a lesser player than Ellis. I can understand some of your points but you also need to see both sides of it.

I have seen Melo play in person and have had league pass for a number of years. There are things he does that Ellis simply cannot. His height is also a factor. His ability to be a tougher matchup at his position due to long limbs and a few extra inches more than the prototypical average height for a player of his position.

So a forward who can score from the post and beyond the arc almost at will, create his own shots, who's clutch, a good rebounder and defender and has strong leadership in a winning team is not enough for you to be considered among the best? Good to know.

Not when he's 33, not as good as he used to be, and helped by the fact that his team his loaded. **** all Bumston Smelldicks.

As for the MeloDrama, I am sick of it and Denver's wishy-washy front office. I hope the Nets overpay and nobody takes Denver seriously after this. While I believe we do need a second star down the line, Denver is asking for too damn much and the nyets seem hellbent to get themselves somebody to headline their move to Brooklyn.

While I don't buy all the hype and understand that Denver is really just trying to get more out of the Knicks this way, I am not the team with the 10-26 record in a 2nd rate city so F**k Denver if they want to play hard ball and waste everybody's time.

While anyone would love to have a talent like Melo on their team, we are overloaded at SF. Whats worse is our major need down low as Turiaf showed us last night how good we can be when we get production on the glass as he was able to hold Pryzbilla and Aldridge to only 1 offensive rebound in the second half. Knicks #1 priority must be to get a starting center who can compliment STAT's game and run the pick n' roll with Felton.

They would be a playoff team though, w the threat of attracting Paul down the road.

W Paul and a few minor additions that team could make a run.

I know you hate this Toons, but I still think we'd be a lot better w Paul than we are w Felton. Still think we could add him. Donnie's was smart to only sign Felt for 2 yrs.

W Paul, we'd be contenders RIGHT NOW. Sry for getting off topic.

the new jersey nets are maaaaybe the 8th seed with melo. the rest of their team is so horrible rono....thats all im saying. If the nets had melo now, the 2010 knicks could beat them with lee, chandler and gallo. we beat the nuggets, a better team, with lee chandler and gallo....all im sayin. that is not a playoff team.

First of all, you are sticking up for a person who only attacks people for their posts, cursing and belittling them; in slang... Age has nothing to do with grammar and being able to construct a legible sentence. When you respond to someone's post with tone and sentiment that he had; it's just pure blind aggression with no direction or point.

Niqqa i stick up for him because i felt like it. and im a knick fan. and i do what i wanna do. yall take some of this **** too serious. oooh, he attacks my posts, and calls me names, and curses.....really? i thought you had thicker skin than that. Ignore him my niqqa. Some people dont type like they are handing in an essay....some people just type short hand. im sayin, if you know the nature of the beast....youre smart enough to gather that its pure blind aggression with no direction, they why u stressin playa?

Your a carmelo hater b. Carmelo is top 10 player fck throwin stats at me i know ball and Carmelo is a top 10 player my g. You just as ignorant as that 16 year old kid. Nd i know for a fact i wasnt bullied and i know for a fact you cant beat me. I never at one point said carmelo will be better off on the nets because that would just be retarted. I was just being realistic about it. If he goes to the Nets which i doubt, they will be a contender. Avery Johnson is a good coach and carmelo will attract tallent. Its as simple as dat bra.

Im a carmelo hater? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHA

My facebook profile pic is melo in a knicks jersey you dummy.
All i have been doing is supporting the melo trade.
war threads have been made for me and rono going head to head vying for melo and CP3 respectively.
No poster here would ever call Toons a melo hater.
I provided facts for intangible stats, and leadership qualities for this man, so before you go and embarrass yourself talkin ****.

for the record, im too old to fight....i buss shots.
you talk a lot of ****, without any facts or articles to back it up.
i posted the stats of all new jersey nets to be in the trade.
wilson chandler, landry fields, and amare board better than brooke lopez. the nets suck, and they will not be contenders with melo, billups and rip hamilton.

his own gm.. billy k said he will never be a great rebounder.. he just doesnt have it

and this guy is 7 feet plus...

His own head coach as well. Yesterday NBA TV or ESPN (sorry don't remember which it was a late night broadcast) was speaking to Avery and was asked what he wants and without missing a beat he said "I want my center to get 10 rebounds". Gotta love the faith your team has in you when they go so public with their distaste for your talents or lack their of.