Road Cycling“It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Not that you haven't seen one before - dealing with Andy at Competitive Cyclist was a great experience.

Excerpt of an email I just sent to friend after bagging on this evenings group ride:I have not gone any distance on the new bike. Just around the block.

I can't wait. It is a real machine. And since I don't have
the time or athleticism to ride any more, I am really spending a lot of
time and money on tricking it out. I have new shoes, pedals, carbon this
and that. It's a real joy to look at and makes a very nice coat rack. I
can't wait to look like a total ass puking on its fancy exoskeleton top
tube.

"Around?" You mean plus or plus 5 pounds? Or do you mean without the pedals, cages, computer, bar tape, and with the tires filled with helium?

you know... you guys shouldn't just jump to conclusions like that. if you actually took the time to look at the picture, you'd see he's a WW (lightning crank anyone?)

the addict is easily one of the lightest frames around, and running a red group (tuned) + carbon saddle + EE brakes(?), and a nice set of wheels with light hubs (~1100 grams) and the addict could easily be 12 pounds.

you know... you guys shouldn't just jump to conclusions like that. if you actually took the time to look at the picture, you'd see he's a WW (lightning crank anyone?)

the addict is easily one of the lightest frames around, and running a red group (tuned) + carbon saddle + EE brakes(?), and a nice set of wheels with light hubs (~1100 grams) and the addict could easily be 12 pounds.

I never said it wasn't possible, but I also don't believe everybody who says they have an 11.5 lb bike just because they say it. It also looks like Force, not Red, not sure what the RD is, the brakes look like ZG to me, but hard to tell.

I never said it wasn't possible, but I also don't believe everybody who says they have an 11.5 lb bike just because they say it. It also looks like Force, not Red, not sure what the RD is, the brakes look like ZG to me, but hard to tell.

I never said it wasn't possible, but I also don't believe everybody who says they have an 11.5 lb bike just because they say it. It also looks like Force, not Red, not sure what the RD is, the brakes look like ZG to me, but hard to tell.

That's why I wanted a build list and a picture on the scale.

I dunno, I got my Tarmac to 12 pounds with light, but generally not WW parts (except for ZG brakes) and middle-weight carbon tubular wheels. And the Tarmac is NOT a light frame.

When you claim a WW light build, yeah, you kinda need to prove it. Notice that on his WW post he included all parts and weights on his scale. That's because if you just show up over there saying you built an 11 pound bike, they laugh at you without proof.

I never said it wasn't possible, but I also don't believe everybody who says they have an 11.5 lb bike just because they say it. It also looks like Force, not Red, not sure what the RD is, the brakes look like ZG to me, but hard to tell.

When you claim a WW light build, yeah, you kinda need to prove it. Notice that on his WW post he included all parts and weights on his scale. That's because if you just show up over there saying you built an 11 pound bike, they laugh at you without proof.

That's kinda like a car enthusiast with a built engine who claims some wildly high horsepower figure -- other people will demand dyno charts.

I should have figured the naysayers would be out-- here's a link to the previous frame where it broke the 12lb barrier w/ a scale pic. Since doing some comparisons w/ other scales, I've found the cheapo one I was using was actually giving weights heavier than they should be, by about .3lbs, so I need to get a more accurate hanging scale.

Didn't mean to stir up trouble with the "verification police" here on bikeforums. And hey, if you still don't believe it, it really doesn't mean anything to me anyway. Getting the bike as light as I can with 2 goals has kind of become my hobby within my obsession-- 1) useable as an everyday ride 2) within my budget so my wife doesn't disown me.

It's taken the better part of 3-4 years to get to it to this point, upgrading and selling the replaced part(s) to offset the cost of the new stuff. As it is I've just about got the cr1 sl frameset sold and I'm toying with the idea of selling my "backup" sub-1000g wheelset because I don't use it enough.

"Around?" You mean plus or plus 5 pounds? Or do you mean without the pedals, cages, computer, bar tape, and with the tires filled with helium?

ahh, I feel like I'm back at roadbikereview.com w/ comments like that. And no, that's with everything including the computer and the cadence/speed sensor. AND, I could pretty easily get it under 11.5 if I switched from a 7900 cassette to an alloy cassette, switch my pedal system to m2 racer (which I have) or speedplay.

It is not a great photo I know but it is the best I could do with my cell at the time. Then again the bike is not all that wonderful. It is a 1985 Murray that I found upstairs in the store that I work at. Not much to look at but it is ride-able.