sfsfsfgiants wrote:As much as I would REALLY love to get involved with this little issue, I will leave it to Pawno and JReed. I think it is their war to be fought.

that's a first

However, if they do want me to jump in there, I will. Dont get me wrong about that. I am steaming here with about a million things to say about Moss' sh*ttyness.

Oh, and if this is a "war", Pawno started it when he called me an "arm chair critic".

He has called me much worse.

JOEL wrote:just wondering if the hate you have for moss comes from him taking away the records that jerry once held?

The hatred I have for Moss comes from the fact that he is a spoiled little brat that does not work unless things are going good. Hense why he didnt like the Raiders: they sucked. All of a sudden, he goes to a good team, and he acts like he is perfect.

It has nothing to do with him breaking Jerry's records. You cant compare the two. Jerry broke them in a time where passing wasnt as prevelent as it is today. Hell, if I had Tom Brady throwing it fifty times a game, I could catch a hundred catches a season.

Records are meant to be broken. I have no problem with them being broken. I do, however, have a problem with the one breaking them.

JReed23 wrote:No don't blame Randy, nor anyone else in the Raiders organization for their loosing ways... blame your OWNER! Some times I think Davis is more concerned with selling that "Bad Boy" image to impressionable raider fan than winning games (OK, I know this isn't true...entirely).

Bad Boy Image??? Dude it's called the Raider Mystique!!! Whilst it ain't rung true for many recent years its about throwing quality or troublesome players a lifeline and giving them another go... if you guys hadn't been so foolish to let Jerry Rice go, you might have been the ones in Superbowl 2003!!!

JReed23 wrote:Plus Randy doesn't give a Fuuk about a championship when it comes down to it

Randy gives a **** about a championship... Why do you think he spat the dummy, Least Al Davis is man enough to fulfill the babies request and give him a shot at it.. (Al: hey Randy i could trade you to Greenbay but how bout i punch your ticket to Phoenix Arizona and just send you to Boston)

JReed23 wrote:all he cares about is that he'll be the hottest free agent on the market and get paid like we may have never seen a WR get paid before!

Sure the dude took a paycut... But if i got paid 12 Million Dollars a year to play on a stinking team, i sure as hell would do my best effort to make them better... NOT WORSE

JReed23 wrote: MISERY? thats not the word I would use to describe it Pawno... I don't like the guy, but he just had the second best season any WR has ever had so don't sound so smug and sure that he is in low spirits.

2nd Best season??? Geesh some people would say it's the BEST SEASON EVER... I'll give Jerry Rice the benefiet of the doubt cause he did it in less games, but typical Niners Fan keeping the cornerstones in the limelight (Hell i should just delete this quote reply.... Montana and Rice were brilliant)

JReed23 wrote:But seriously you guys messed up, who else gave up a 4th round pick for a WR...? (My Niners for DJack)... wish we still had the 4th rounder...lol

Hey Al Davis shopped Randy Moss, Green Bay was only offering a 4th rounder. It would have been nice to hang onto the player, But the Raiders probably would have been looking at 2-14 or Miami record this year had they kept on Randy who was doing jackshit to help this team win.

JReed23 wrote:And i never said anything different, you completely missed my point. the guy had THE SECOND BEST SEASON A WR HAS EVER HAD!

Yes Jerry Rice is the man Jreed23, Dismount yourself from your Rice C#ck shrine, remember he played on my team as well, i know how good the guy can play!!!

JReed23 wrote: And you are laughing at him like he is "miser[able]" when he will likely draw close-to the largest contract any WR has ever had.

He had the largest contract in Oakland ever for a Wide Receiver, the dude should have earnt his money and did the best job possible for all us Nation who buy his jerseys and Al Davis overpriced beer in the Black Hole, Least the guy could have shown some heart, Hell i'd pay 50 Bucks more for my Raiders Moss jersey if he turned up on Sunday regardless of the teams record.

JReed23 wrote:He didn't even seem disappointed about loosing the SB at all, he doesn't give a fuuk about being "traded to a contender,"

Oh he was upset dude, he pulled out of Hawaii, cause his at home sucking on his mums tittie and hugging his bear. The dude is heart broken!!!

JReed23 wrote: he wanted to be traded to a big market/competent organization.

Hey Oakland/Bay Area is a big market and he could have seen the light when Al fired Shell and bought in a half good coach in Lane Kiffin, The kid should have got on board with a fresh new start just like Jerry Porter gave Kiff Kiff

JReed23 wrote: And while I'm sure the 06-07 Raider coaching staff was drawing up some really compelling and competitive game plans en route to the worst record in the NFL, that Randy was a major catalyst for the Raider's loosing season..

Yeah the bread and breakfast offense wasn't great!!! But it was in this season where i saw the man not run his designated route.... Sure it didn't help when Aaron Brookes and Andrew Walter were doing 7 step drop back and only getting eaten by a Merriman sack, But i watched a lot of games last season and i saw with my own eyes the baby not following through with his own routes... SELFISH

Hey What's a loosing season by the way, is that some Porno sports league where Jenna Jamison sees a ever expanding Raiders black hole

JReed23 wrote:All this "arm chair critic" is saying, that Randy got the last laugh no matter what because 18-1 is still better than 4-12 (dead last in the worst division in football) and being apart of the most dysfunctional pro sports franchise out side the NY Knicks.

Hey Randy didn't have no last laugh, Raider Nation had the last laugh watching that prima donna be the loser he is.

JReed23 wrote:Yup, ha ha ha Randy no SuperBowl ring for you with your measly 98 catches, 1,493 yards and 23 TDs and inevitable historical contract. Bet you had a long flight home thinking about all the lavish spending you'll being doing with the massive signing bonus you'll receive. Or maybe you got a head start on writing your Hall of Fame induction speech, maybe it'll go something like:

"I'd like to thank my momz, god, and the Oakland Raiders for being so pathetic and giving me a second life with one of the greatest teams and QB in history... Who am I forgetting... oh-yeah John Bowie who the Raiders felt like would be a better contributor than me who spent nearly the entire 2007-08 season on the inactive list - thanks man couldn't have done it with out you... Wish you the best of luck in the CFL"

Or maybe he's checking out the weather forecast to see how nasty it's going to be in Hawaii at the Pro Bowl.

Oh the weather forecast in Hawaii, i heard its raining... ain't they the tears of all the shattered and distraught Patriots who made it but choked in the biggest game of there lives....

JReed23 wrote:Poor Randy Moss, I feel bad for the guy actually.. I mean comon! Nobody deserves this... The jokes on you Raiders...

Jokes on us... My team made impovements this year to 4-12 from 2-14... how bout the Niners?? they took a step backwards... should have been competing for a wildcard like in 2006 but finished 1 game better then the Raiders on 5-11.... my money is on the Niners decline this season and the Raiders revival continueing.

Hey sorry Sfsfsfgiant... please don't take my bait... i'm just wanting to draw the heat away from jreed23 about a good team in patriots being compared to a bad team in the Raiders..

Can't we all just bitch and moan about 2 cellar dwellars in Oakland and San Fran

sfsfsfgiants wrote:As much as I would REALLY love to get involved with this little issue, I will leave it to Pawno and JReed. I think it is their war to be fought.

that's a first

However, if they do want me to jump in there, I will. Dont get me wrong about that. I am steaming here with about a million things to say about Moss' sh*ttyness.

Oh, and if this is a "war", Pawno started it when he called me an "arm chair critic".

He has called me much worse.

JOEL wrote:just wondering if the hate you have for moss comes from him taking away the records that jerry once held?

The hatred I have for Moss comes from the fact that he is a spoiled little brat that does not work unless things are going good. Hense why he didnt like the Raiders: they sucked. All of a sudden, he goes to a good team, and he acts like he is perfect.

It has nothing to do with him breaking Jerry's records. You cant compare the two. Jerry broke them in a time where passing wasnt as prevelent as it is today. Hell, if I had Tom Brady throwing it fifty times a game, I could catch a hundred catches a season.

Records are meant to be broken. I have no problem with them being broken. I do, however, have a problem with the one breaking them.

sf3.... bro i was also thinking that a few days ago their was a thread about monta not being able to speak well.... it just dawned on me that jerry alsofrom mississippi doesnt speak well although he hascome along way but his tv news spots really suck... anyways think the west coast will forget moss soon but jerry will always be in our hearts and minds

it's been working in reversal the last couple of years, Raiders either bring in players who production drops below there previous seasons or when they leave they become superstars...

But Karma works 2 fold, Once Chad Johnson arrives then you'll see Raiders Mystique back in FULL EFFECT!!

gotta give the pawn some nation love....
i have been to at least 10 football stadiums to see the great oakland raiders play... at every one the the raider fans are hated and i love that.
this mystic will be in full effect jamarcus russell will make bradey piss his paints .......fathers guard you little ones the raiders are comin back

JReed23 wrote:No don't blame Randy, nor anyone else in the Raiders organization for their loosing ways... blame your OWNER! Some times I think Davis is more concerned with selling that "Bad Boy" image to impressionable raider fan than winning games (OK, I know this isn't true...entirely).

Bad Boy Image??? Dude it's called the Raider Mystique!!! Whilst it ain't rung true for many recent years its about throwing quality or troublesome players a lifeline and giving them another go... if you guys hadn't been so foolish to let Jerry Rice go, you might have been the ones in Superbowl 2003!!!

JReed23 wrote:Plus Randy doesn't give a Fuuk about a championship when it comes down to it

Randy gives a **** about a championship... Why do you think he spat the dummy, Least Al Davis is man enough to fulfill the babies request and give him a shot at it.. (Al: hey Randy i could trade you to Greenbay but how bout i punch your ticket to Phoenix Arizona and just send you to Boston)

JReed23 wrote:all he cares about is that he'll be the hottest free agent on the market and get paid like we may have never seen a WR get paid before!

Sure the dude took a paycut... But if i got paid 12 Million Dollars a year to play on a stinking team, i sure as hell would do my best effort to make them better... NOT WORSE

JReed23 wrote: MISERY? thats not the word I would use to describe it Pawno... I don't like the guy, but he just had the second best season any WR has ever had so don't sound so smug and sure that he is in low spirits.

2nd Best season??? Geesh some people would say it's the BEST SEASON EVER... I'll give Jerry Rice the benefiet of the doubt cause he did it in less games, but typical Niners Fan keeping the cornerstones in the limelight (Hell i should just delete this quote reply.... Montana and Rice were brilliant)

JReed23 wrote:But seriously you guys messed up, who else gave up a 4th round pick for a WR...? (My Niners for DJack)... wish we still had the 4th rounder...lol

Hey Al Davis shopped Randy Moss, Green Bay was only offering a 4th rounder. It would have been nice to hang onto the player, But the Raiders probably would have been looking at 2-14 or Miami record this year had they kept on Randy who was doing jackshit to help this team win.

JReed23 wrote:And i never said anything different, you completely missed my point. the guy had THE SECOND BEST SEASON A WR HAS EVER HAD!

Yes Jerry Rice is the man Jreed23, Dismount yourself from your Rice C#ck shrine, remember he played on my team as well, i know how good the guy can play!!!

JReed23 wrote: And you are laughing at him like he is "miser[able]" when he will likely draw close-to the largest contract any WR has ever had.

He had the largest contract in Oakland ever for a Wide Receiver, the dude should have earnt his money and did the best job possible for all us Nation who buy his jerseys and Al Davis overpriced beer in the Black Hole, Least the guy could have shown some heart, Hell i'd pay 50 Bucks more for my Raiders Moss jersey if he turned up on Sunday regardless of the teams record.

JReed23 wrote:He didn't even seem disappointed about loosing the SB at all, he doesn't give a fuuk about being "traded to a contender,"

Oh he was upset dude, he pulled out of Hawaii, cause his at home sucking on his mums tittie and hugging his bear. The dude is heart broken!!!

JReed23 wrote: he wanted to be traded to a big market/competent organization.

Hey Oakland/Bay Area is a big market and he could have seen the light when Al fired Shell and bought in a half good coach in Lane Kiffin, The kid should have got on board with a fresh new start just like Jerry Porter gave Kiff Kiff

JReed23 wrote: And while I'm sure the 06-07 Raider coaching staff was drawing up some really compelling and competitive game plans en route to the worst record in the NFL, that Randy was a major catalyst for the Raider's loosing season..

Yeah the bread and breakfast offense wasn't great!!! But it was in this season where i saw the man not run his designated route.... Sure it didn't help when Aaron Brookes and Andrew Walter were doing 7 step drop back and only getting eaten by a Merriman sack, But i watched a lot of games last season and i saw with my own eyes the baby not following through with his own routes... SELFISH

Hey What's a loosing season by the way, is that some Porno sports league where Jenna Jamison sees a ever expanding Raiders black hole

JReed23 wrote:All this "arm chair critic" is saying, that Randy got the last laugh no matter what because 18-1 is still better than 4-12 (dead last in the worst division in football) and being apart of the most dysfunctional pro sports franchise out side the NY Knicks.

Hey Randy didn't have no last laugh, Raider Nation had the last laugh watching that prima donna be the loser he is.

JReed23 wrote:Yup, ha ha ha Randy no SuperBowl ring for you with your measly 98 catches, 1,493 yards and 23 TDs and inevitable historical contract. Bet you had a long flight home thinking about all the lavish spending you'll being doing with the massive signing bonus you'll receive. Or maybe you got a head start on writing your Hall of Fame induction speech, maybe it'll go something like:

"I'd like to thank my momz, god, and the Oakland Raiders for being so pathetic and giving me a second life with one of the greatest teams and QB in history... Who am I forgetting... oh-yeah John Bowie who the Raiders felt like would be a better contributor than me who spent nearly the entire 2007-08 season on the inactive list - thanks man couldn't have done it with out you... Wish you the best of luck in the CFL"

Or maybe he's checking out the weather forecast to see how nasty it's going to be in Hawaii at the Pro Bowl.

Oh the weather forecast in Hawaii, i heard its raining... ain't they the tears of all the shattered and distraught Patriots who made it but choked in the biggest game of there lives....

JReed23 wrote:Poor Randy Moss, I feel bad for the guy actually.. I mean comon! Nobody deserves this... The jokes on you Raiders...

Jokes on us... My team made impovements this year to 4-12 from 2-14... how bout the Niners?? they took a step backwards... should have been competing for a wildcard like in 2006 but finished 1 game better then the Raiders on 5-11.... my money is on the Niners decline this season and the Raiders revival continueing.

Hey sorry Sfsfsfgiant... please don't take my bait... i'm just wanting to draw the heat away from jreed23 about a good team in patriots being compared to a bad team in the Raiders..

Can't we all just bitch and moan about 2 cellar dwellars in Oakland and San Fran

I know I'm a little late on responding - due to the fact that I haven't been in front of a computer in quite some time, but I wouldn't consider this a response because Pawno's post doesn't deserve one. There is but maybe one valid and relevant point in the entire post, normally I would quote him and pick apart his individual statements but it wouldn't do any good because this post proves to me that he doesn't even read or consider the meaning of other people's posts. All he had was assumption and derogatory statements, but no substance and failed to make a point with 90% of his post.

I feel like I made my point well enough the first time around and Pawno didn't write anything that deserves a rebuttal.

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