Nielsen reported android at 9% in June, can we trust their methodology?

So you don't trust them because they showed that Android gained? Considering how many more Android phones I've seen in the wild since June, their numbers don't surprise me.

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The best for who? For all the people who are buying these Android devices, they are the best for them. You can't say about any Android user that the best device for them is the iPhone, because if it was, they would have picked it! I can't understand why so many people fail to grasp the notion that for a lot of people, the iPhone is not the best choice. This information just shows that that is true. It doesn't mean it's not the best device for you or anyone else that owns one, but it is certainly not the best device for everyone.

Look at it that way and any given Android phone maker is getting an average or 5% or less of market share and the fact that each Android install is different based on the manufacturer and carrier, what do you have? Crap.

Yeah, that's why I can't run an application specifically written for the iPad on an iPhone. As a matter of fact, they can't currently even run the same version of iOS, can they???? Which Apps can AppleTV currently run since iOS is SOOOO consistent compared to the "fragmented" Android???

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FIne, people are buying a lot of Android phones, but many may be just trying to find something like the iPhone on their carrier.

Or maybe they just want an Android phone...

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Then there are those that hate Apple.

How is it possible to "hate" a corporation or a inanimate object? This is a fanboy nonsense argument like one would expect to find on MacDailyNews, not a classy site full of level headed people like we find on Apple Insider.... Come on!

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Then there are the clueless that get suckered by salespeople. You get what you pay for in this case and more people buying it doesn't make it the best.

Yeah, they're all stupid and not intelligent enough to make an informed decision - - - which by your definition involves purchasing anything but an iPhone....

Again, I use a Mac and I use an iPhone because it is what "I" prefer. I never really understood where you guys get the viciousness that you feel you have to direct at anyone who chooses a cellphone or computer manufactured by someone other than your personal preference..

i don't trust them because this report now shows 22% for June. The report which first showed that the android surpassed the iPhone was NPD, Nielsen was used to discredit that one.

It is all interpreted statistics. Apple give real results and claimed to be outpacing the Market.

For US users we won't know which is the favoured device until Apple us on all carriers. I know which one would be tops were it on all carriers now.

Wait... So because time had moved on and things have changed and now Nielsen reports the same Android growth as everyone else they're not to be trusted all of a sudden? Because that no longer support your point of view?

And Apple gives real results? You're trusting the word of a company talking about themselves over a third-party, independent analysis company? I would expect Apple to say nothing but rises and sunshine and lollipops about their sales even if they were being outsold. Do you think Apple would ever publicly announce that they are bring outsold by a competitor?

OK, can i come over and see 4.2 running on your iPad right now (Like you said that you could)???

You can actually since it is in beta. However you don't need to because my point was you could already build the sane app , the same binary, for iPads and iPod touches and iPhones. These are called universal apps.

Wait... So because time had moved on and things have changed and now Nielsen reports the same Android growth as everyone else they're not to be trusted all of a sudden? Because that no longer support your point of view?

And Apple gives real results? You're trusting the word of a company talking about themselves over a third-party, independent analysis company? I would expect Apple to say nothing but rises and sunshine and lollipops about their sales even if they were being outsold. Do you think Apple would ever publicly announce that they are bring outsold by a competitor?

Jesus the brains are out tonight.

I don't trust Nielsens methodology since they gave gotten it so wrong before. In my previous post I suggested why.

I would expect Apple to say nothing but rises and sunshine and lollipops about their sales even if they were being outsold. Do you think Apple would ever publicly announce that they are bring outsold by a competitor?

Oh yes, Apple always gives "real" results!! They have 91% of all computers over $1000, they have 77% of something called "mindshare", they have 99.7% of all cell phones sold to people who work for computer companies in Cupertino, CA, they make the most profit of all companies who make "mobile devices"....

And if you knew anything about programming, you'd know that the programmer has to program the "Universal App" for each device. The same can be done with Android, for as much as you want to spread FUD, all Droid devices aren't that much different that they need major rewrites of each program.

If you go back and read my original post, I said that iPad and iPhone don't CURRENTLY run the same version of iOS...

Oh yes, Apple always gives "real" results!! They have 91% of all computers over $1000, they have 77% of something called "mindshare", they have 99.7% of all cell phones sold to people who work for computer companies in Cupertino, CA, they make the most profit of all companies who make "mobile devices"....

Sunshine and Lollipops for sure..

It's like talking to 2 year olds here tonight. If you can source any of those claims from a financial conference call, do.

And if you knew anything about programming, you'd know that the programmer has to program the "Universal App" for each device. The same can be done with Android, for as much as you want to spread FUD, all Droid devices aren't that much different that they need major rewrites of each program.

If you go back and read my original post, I said that iPad and iPhone don't CURRENTLY run the same version of iOS...

This whole post assumes that consumers give a rats ass about profits, which I can assure they don't. Incidently, each extra Android device on the market is an additional revenue stream for Google through the sale of products, services and advertising.

how many times do I have to explain this?

DID YOU ACTUALLY READ MY POSTS? Did you follow the thread?

1) "This whole post assumes that consumers give a rats ass about profits, which I can assure they don't."
DUDE: my first post was to those that were saying that Android was making all this money and that it was way better than Apple's model of revenue. It's the Droid fans who brought up the revenue issue.

but since you brought up the topic of users and profits...
Perhaps some users don't give a rat's ass about profits but they certainly should. WHY? Perhaps you should ask the no profit Palm users (in limbo as Palm is being slowly digested by HP). go ask the msft KIN phone users, the Win Mo 6 users...
also go ask the AMIGA users, the people who bought BETAMAX players, the OS2 users...
No profits can mean END of LINE for your product or at best it means nothing for R&D, bad customer service, sucky hardware as OEMs cut costs, go ask the no profit NETBOOK users about that...

2)"Incidently, each extra Android device on the market is an additional revenue stream for Google through the sale of products, services and advertising."

Shoot, are you DENSE or what? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID does NOT happen EVERY TIME. I explained it sideways and backwards with examples that even small brained reptiles could understand.

here AGAIN (for like the third time):
"in the situations WHEN CARRIERS LOAD BING, YAHOO OR BAIDU ON THEIR PHONE, WHEN PEOPLE OPEN THEIR OWN APP STORES AND LOCK GOOGLE OUT, WHEN PHONES ARE BUILT SO THAT THEY LOCKED DOWN TO THIER OWN NON GOOGLE APPS AND CAN'T ACCESS GOOGLE ANDROID MARKET GOOGLE MAKES LESS OR NOTHING".

get it? If a phone runs Bing Google gets zilch from search. If they run non google maps, services etc same thing.
If users buy apps from a NON google store and they are sprouting: Google gets zilch.
Some phones in Asia come with Baidu not Google and are locked down. You can't even download apps from Google android market. Google profit from them Zero.
If advertisers use other ad agencies and not Google's Admob, google loses revenue
etc (all I explained in DETAIL in my first posts)

I even gave an EXAMPLE in my first post:
"Engadget on Moto Backflip:
"Yahoo has replaced Google as the default search provider throughout the phone. It's crazy: the home screen widget, the browser, everything's been programmed to use Yahoo.
It's filled to the brim with pre-loaded AT&T stuff: AllSport GPS, AT&T Maps, AT&T Music (which takes the place of the standard Music app), AT&T Navigator, AT&T Wi-Fi Hotspots, Mobile Banking, MobiTV, MusicID, Where, and YPmobile. We strongly prefer the approach of offering a special branded Android Market portal where you can download your carrier's recommended apps."

Another:
Electronista:
"Verizon's decision to force the use of Bing as the core search engine on the Samsung Fascinate may be part of a larger change that could undermine Android itself, .... Verizon's approach also prevents owners from choosing an alternative short of installing unofficial firmware, an investigation found."

I also explained that if people are looking at Google ads on their phones they are NOT (probably) looking AT THE SAME TIME at ads on their laptops or desktops: page view GAIN for Google ZERO.

the iPhone needs to get on other carriers or it will get left behind...

Yup, adding more carriers when you already can't make enough phones to keep up with demand is an absolutely brilliant strategy.

And left behind at what? Owning the 2 for one special? The high volume no-profit marketshare? I think Apple has a pretty clear history of being perfectly happy not being all things to all people, and since high volume no-profit strategies are about, well, volume I don't understand why anyone gets worked up about market share numbers. At all.

Google can ship all the Android phones they want, but like Windows Mobile of old, if hardly any of them are used to do anything beyond basic phone calls and light email does it really matter that the phone came with Android? Does google really gain any revenue from the fact that it was simply loaded on a device that was shoveled out the door to someone that is not using it nearly as much as the average iOS user?

"Verizon's approach also prevents owners from choosing an alternative short of installing unofficial firmware, an investigation found."

I also explained that if people are looking at Google ads on their phones they are NOT (probably) looking AT THE SAME TIME at ads on their laptops or desktops: page view GAIN for Google ZERO.

"unofficial firmware" is basically jailbreaking.

Something I can also do to my iPhone.

If I have to jailbrake Android to get choice, then what exactly is the point of it again? Why not just go with iOS which has a much richer experience?

Android may be open, but not always to the end users benefit. In this case it's open for Verizon who promptly locked it down (as V is fond of doing) for the end user. At that point why even mess with it?

As for Verizon's actions: well duh! It's what they do! It's probably the sole reason the iPhone isn't on Verizon - it's certainly the reason they passed on it the first time. Really, it's not that hard to understand why Apple is less than thrilled with Verizon when they are doing their same old crap - even today! I'm surprised they aren't charging a fee to turn wifi on. You know they want to

Market share absolutely matters to developers, and by extension should matter to end users . If there's one thing Ballmer has right (and he doesn't have much), it's DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!!

Actually, MS lost the mobile space because they focused on developers and not the end user experience. They are seeing their Windows market share eroding in the face of the iOS halo effect - because of Apple's focus on end user experience.

The original iPhone didn't have apps, and neither did the 3G initially - yet they were a smashing success. Developers came to the App store (flocking in droves, actually) because of the ecosystem Apple had already established, so to me it's pretty obvious this whole "it's the developers" ranting is a bunch of crap.

No, the worst thing Apple could do is shift their primary focus to developers. Luckily they apparently know this and have no intention of doing so. Their focus is exactly where it needs to be - the end user of their products.

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I HAVE to have a Windows machine sitting next to my Mac - I have to have AutoCad, I have to have Oracle Primavera PPM, I have to Loadspring (which requires IE), I have to have several other pieces of Engineering software that isn't available on the Mac. Why isn't it???? Because developers have little interest in developing their software for a machine with a 5% market share...

Well, Autodesk is releasing AutoCAD for the Mac again. Times are changing. Do I expect the Mac to have equivalency with Windows? Nope - then again there are lots of Mac-only programs too. It's the nature of the beast.

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Same thing WILL happen to iOS if Jobs doesn't wake up.

Actually, the opposite of what you are touting is happening. AutoDesk is just the latest high profile example.

Adobe re-launched premiere elements. Not bad for a platform that not only has 5% but ships with free movie editing software.

EDIT: And how could I forget the literal game changer: Steam. Unthinkable just a year ago....

The Mac OS has never been stronger, and it's rapidly expanding - each quarter is surpassing the last. Not bad for a company who you insist that their company needs to pull their head out....

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And PLEASE, some of you, what the hell do I care as an end user what Apple's "Margin is", or "how much profit they make".... I could care less.. I would much rather the Mac and the iPhone to have industry standard software available to it - and the Mac doesn't and iOS won't if Jobs doesn't get his head out of his ass (again)....

I think you need to pull your head out of your myopia. Apple is the strongest they have ever been and are growing by leaps and bounds with profits that their competitors can only dream about at this point because they are doing the opposite of what you are advocating. Developers like Autodesk, Adobe and Valve are responding and doing exactly what you want.

Who knows? I'd find it difficult to swallow the notion that only people who have bought an expensive phone are willing to part with 99p to buy an app. The price of the apps is so relatively negligable in comparison to the price of the device that I can't see even value shoppers deliberating over the cost of the apps and whether they should buy them or not.

When there is basically no cost differential between an Android feature phone and a dumb phone that doesn't support apps, then the price of the app is indeed a significant factor.

As the lack of revenue for Android developers vs. iPhone developers bares out....

MDN made a good point. So those who purchased a smartphone over a six month period, which only includes about a month of iPhone 4 sales. LOL This is the kind of stuff it takes for all of the Android-based phones put together on multiple carriers to get a "win" over the iPhone, besides never-ending BOGO promotions from Verizon, etc.

When Apple decides the time is right to pull the trigger and move to multiple carriers in the U.S., as they have already in other countries (where the top smartphone OS picture looks totally different), Google's Android dream turns into a nightmare as pretty much the sole reason (unless you want fewer apps and more malware while empowering telecoms) to settle for a fake iPhone disappears.

Quadra you can try and slant this all night long, the reality is Android is selling very well and will continue to do so. You need to take your medication and come to the understanding that Google doesn't have to fail for Apple to do well. Your thought process of all other companies do to do poorly or fail is beyond childish.

I believe Android growth has been 886% percent this year. I remember you drooling all over yourself when Apple had 400% with the iPhone. Time to give it up and accept the reality of the situation. Android is kicking ass.

Apple's iOS has 4.9 times the global usage share of Google Android devices.

NetApplications' mobile share methodology measures share for browser capable mobile devices. This means the mobile device must be able to render HTML pages and javascript. Visits to WAP pages are not included.

The firm uses a unique methodology for collecting this data. They collect data from the browsers of site visitors to their exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly, weekly, daily and hourly basis

In addition, NetApplications classifies 430+ referral sources identified as search engines. Aggregate traffic referrals from these engines are summarized reported on. The statistics for search engines include both organic and sponsored referrals. The websites in the company's population represent almost all countries on earth.

That is mean nothing. We all know iOS still leads in some areas the issue is how fast Android is catching up and the grow rate is far higher then that of iOS.

I know for you this is a painful situation but its okay Apple can still do well with Android grown. You can still sleep well.

By the way how is that effort of yours to kill Flash. That doesn't seem to be going so well. Whats the matter everyone on Macrumors ignoring you like they do here?

Flash no longer matters. The iPad's seen to that. Apple is experiencing record sales of its devices, all of which (save for Macs) don't play Flash. Seems to be going pretty well. The object is not to kill Flash (that'll take a long while), but to suitably and deservedly discredit the format to the extent that it prompts the consumer to turn to far better alternatives. Garbage (like Flash) is often ubiquitous, and sometimes the best we can do is to just recognize it as such and move on.

Yeah I am sure Google is not making profit. You guys have short memories when it comes to Apple making a solid profit. A guess a few good years out of three decads isn't bad. Remembe when you are on top there is only one place to go from there and that is down.

Just a reminder . . . what Apple has accomplished in "a few good years", with a fraction of the manpower and R&D of Microstupid.

Apple on path to surpass Exxon as world’s most valuable company
Monday, October 04, 2010

"Here's something to think about the next time you pick up a call on your iPhone: the device you're holding may soon be the signature product of the most valuable company in the world," David K. Randall reports for The Associated Press. "Thanks to its line of gadgets that combine the ability to make calls, send email, read books, watch movies and listen to music, Apple Inc. is on a path to overtake Exxon Mobil Corp. as the largest company by market capitalization."

"The list of companies that have sat atop the S&P 500 is short. For years, the top spot rotated among stalwart industrials like General Electric Co., General Motors, and AT&T Inc., before that company was broken up as a result of an antitrust suit in 1984. Twenty years ago, IBM Corp. held the No. 1 position, narrowly beating out Exxon," Randall reports. "Apple's move to the top would be a strong signal that the market is no longer placing as high a value on industrial companies that depend on traditional manufacturing, business spending or natural resources for revenue. Instead, investors are now expecting growth to be driven by spending from average consumers on technology and entertainment."

Randall reports, "If Apple becomes more valuable than Exxon, it will be only the second time that a growing technology company which doesn't pay dividends will make up the greatest share of the S&P 500. The first, Microsoft Corp., held the position for two years in the late 1990s during the boom that made personal computers a staple in households around the world. Today, Apple dominates the business of putting the Internet in your pocket. That's quite a feat for a company that was worth only $7 dollars a share 10 years ago. It closed Friday at $282.52."

God I hope they do pass Exxon. With the amount of stock I own. See you forget I am the true shareholder you are just the fanboy. I actually have well over a million vested in Apple doing well unlike you.

I see this type of horseshit on the bullboards every day. If I had a nickel for every post that I've seen like this in the last 20 years I really would have that million.

God I hope they do pass Exxon. With the amount of stock I own. See you forget I am the true shareholder you are just the fanboy. I actually have well over a million vested in Apple doing well unlike you.

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I see this type of horseshit on the bullboards every day. If I had a nickel for every post that I've seen like this in the last 20 years I really would have that million.

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I work for IBM and have for over 20 years. Its doesn't take much to figure out many of us own a ton of Apple stock. Most of us are pre iPod stock owners... I could give a shit less if you believe me.

LOL requirements for the antiHero antiFanboy antiApple [troll]:

1. Must own Apple stock
2. Must own tons of Apple stock
3. Must say "Actually, I have a Mac, but..."
4. Must say "Actually, I have an iPhone, but..."
5. Must say "Actually, I do own an iPad, but..."
6. Must have been a Mac user pre-iPod days
7. Must have been a Mac user pre-iPhone days
8. Must say "I like Apple, but..."
9. Must have worked in X famous tech company for over X years
10. Bonus points if "ran *own company* for over X years"
11. Bonus points if considered "Creative Pro back when the days when Apple cared about us"
12. Bonus points if "worked at Apple"
13. Super bonus points if "met Steve Jobs before"

Let see so we have iPad and iOS record sales and we have Android record sales which promotes Flash as a benefit over iOS. So it appears to me that Apple has done nothing to slow down Flash or help move to HTML5 or any other alternative.

The fly in the ointment is what percentage of these Android devices are actually running Flash? What percentage are running Froyo 2.2? Android != Flash