Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on October 16th, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we talk with author R. P. Ruggerio about his third and last book in the series “Brushfire Plague”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Houston 9-1-1 operator who continually hung up on people – even in life and death situations.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll give you the death toll from shootings in the “gun-free” city of Chicago.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we will talk about a criminal that brought a bat to a gunfight…. So climb aboard,

Rachel: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 391 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob – I got in some dry practice before I went to the Texas Firearms Festival. I got to see the lovely and talented Rachel Malone in person.. As well as Dr. John Edeen, Scott and Mandy Gibbons, Tracy Thronberg and the Roberts. What is the most popular concealed carry handgun? They were not there to try.

John – The only thing gun related that I’ve done this week was think about assembling my AR pistol lower. I had planned to do it yesterday but other stuff needed to be done. I did register for the SHOT Show and have tried to register Barb for her Media Badge. If you are friends with me on Facebook you know the difficulties I’ve been having with that. I’m more than a little disgusted and if I was less restrained I’d say something that would get this podcast an explicit rating.

Rachel

Pecos – made it all the way without DQing a single stage (DQ’s are when you don’t make all the hits before the time runs out). Lesson: training works. Train physically AND mentally, exactly how you want to perform. I didn’t perform at my best, but my worst (tired, hot, not feeling well) was plenty good enough.

CSAT Instructor Course – it was a challenge to shoot the standards. Very proud of getting this certification. Lessons: (1) sometimes less is more in teaching. Give fewer points and make sure they’re taught and applied thoroughly. (2) I like the way that the pistol standards give no room for error. You have to do everything mechanically correctly. (4) I’ve been shooting .40 this year as an experiment. I struggled with the fast shots and one-handed shots, and ended up switching to 9mm to make the standards. .

Texas Firearms Festival – glad I got to run the rifle range today. Lessons: (1) gadgets and optics don’t make up for crappy shooting. Better to have a plain stock rifle and have solid fundamentals. (2) I was impressed with Gunwerks guys and ATX Armory – they seemed the most squared-away and on the same page as I am. I want to attend a Gunwerks distance rifle course.

A 9-1-1 operator is accused of intentionally hanging up on callers during emergencies simply because she was not in the mood to help. Crenshanda Williams has been charged with interference with an emergency telephone call. Williams had been employed as a telecommunicator with the Houston Emergency Center since July 2014, and supervisors began to notice that her logs revealed an abnormally high amount of “short calls,” with a duration of less than 20 seconds. Supervisors investigated the recorded call logs, and found that Williams had disconnected thousands of calls between Oct. 2015 and March 2016. Williams raised suspicion on March 12 when she allegedly hung up on several callers – one call was ended immediately after she picked it up. During another call, an operator — identified as Williams — is heard answering “Houston 911, do you need medical, police or fire?” When the male caller responded, “This is a robbery,” Williams is heard sighing before hanging up. Investigators tracked down the robbery/shooting caller, who confirmed someone hung up the phone the first time he called in, frustrating him, and he had to call back a second time. By the time police arrived, a person was dead. Investigators said that the following day, Williams hung up on several more people, including a security officer who was attempting to report a dangerous street racing incident. The operator, again identified as Williams, said “Houston 911, do you need medical, police or fire?” The caller only had time to say “This is officer Molten. I’m driving on 45 South right now and I am at ……” before Williams ended the call. Although the call was disconnected, the recording captured Williams saying, “Ain’t nobody got time for this. For Real.” The officer called in again, and a different 911 operator picked up and assisted him. Investigators reached out to the officer, who also confirmed the “hang up call” on that day. Police say Williams admitted to disconnecting the calls because she “did not want to talk to anyone at that time.” Investigators said Williams’ actions prevented and interfered with the callers’ ability to request assistance during an emergency and charges were filed against her. Williams’ bond was set at $1,000.

Rob- This is why I like the private sector. We get to fire people in the private sector. The government wants us to depend on them?

Rachel-

Paul – She needs to spend time in jail

John – A year and one day –

2-The Ferguson Effect

A Chicago police officer pulled up to an accident scene earlier this month and nearly lost her life when dealing with the people involved with the accident.

The female officer, a 17 year veteran of the CPD got into a physical confrontation with a man who was high on PCP and decided not to use her firearm although the man beat her head into the pavement repeatedly until she lost consciousness.

Her superintendent spoke to the Chicago Tribune and stated ”As I was at the hospital last night, visiting with her, she looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die, and she knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to because she didn’t want her family or the department to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news”

While we understand what she was thinking we have to mention that she very well could have died and when she lost consciousness she lost control of her firearm, thereby effectively giving it to a VERY bad guy.

John – I find this very sad. What would have family have gone through if she had died?! That would have been far worse.

Rachel – Lesson for us: think about this very thing before you ever put on a gun. If you can’t overcome these obstacles, if you know that, in the worst case scenario when your life is on the line, you wouldn’t choose to pull the trigger, then don’t carry a gun.

Seven men were killed and at least 31 others have been wounded in shootings across Chicago since Friday evening.

The weekend’s most recent homicide happened Saturday morning in the Little Village neighborhood on the Southwest Side.

Rob- Why should it change?

4- Gun Control 101

There has been a wealth of information about the Clintons provided by Wikileaks during the month of October. It should come as no surprise that the establishment media chooses to ignore these revelations. You know, Donald Trump made some inappropriate comments 11 years ago! There just isn’t enough time in a 24 hour news cycle to cover both stories.

One of these issues was discovered in the email communications of Hillary’s campaign manager, John Podesta. Clinton and her staff were working on an essay for Marie Claire magazine to further their gun control agenda. The emails being exchanged made it clear that Clinton and her staff were selectively discarding gun uses that did not further their agenda. According to AWR Hawkins of Breitbart News, a story about a shooting where a black man, Jordan Davis, was killed by a white man did not make the cut because they assumed the incident was racially motivated. This case is summarized in Andrew Branca’s, The Law of Self Defense. Davis’ killer was convicted of numerous charges, including murder. However, Davis was involved in escalating the confrontation and allegedly pointed a shotgun-like object and threatened to kill the white man. The focus of the article was supposed to be about domestic abuse victims. Selective use of data to further an agenda is stacking the deck and inappropriate.

Clinton also asserted that “thousands of children die” from guns. This is another case of manipulation of facts. Gang members aged 15 to 17 that are involved in criminal activity are included in these figures. However, the statistics are presented to give the impression that they are speaking of the deaths of innocents. You can say that cats kill people if you include lions and tigers.

Rob- vet your media.

John – I think the Instapundit has had it right.

4- Interview R. P. Ruggerio Book three of the series “Brushfire Plague”

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Don’t Bring a Bat to a Gunfight

“Have you ever been hit on the head by a bat?” That was the question the bat-wielding Philip Keys, 30, asked a 22-year-old couple in a St Cloud, Minnesota Wal-Mart parking lot. When Keys closed with the retreating couple and raised his bat to strike, the husband pulled his legally possessed CCW and ordered the attacker to drop his bat. Showing more sense than his appearance would indicate, Keys let loose the bat and fell to the parking lot. Repenting his sanity, he got up and walked away. He was allowed to leave by the CCW Permit holder. No shots were fired, and the victims were unhurt. Police later arrived, located and arrested Keys, who could face second-degree assault charges. Although all the elements of a justifiable self-defense shooting were there: Ability, Opportunity and Intent, the husband first chose to rely on his shouted orders and the sight of the gun to stop the attacker. From the reports, Keys seemed well within the Tueller Limit when commanded to stop, putting the CCW carrier at significant risk of injury or death. Fortunately, the unstable man did stop, giving this DGU the best of all possible outcomes: an attack safely ended without a shot being fired. We commend the couple for their actions in the attack: they were situationally aware and moved to distance themselves from the threat, and when retreat was no longer possible, and the requirements of the Deadly Force Triad had been exceeded, the CCW carrier used his weapon to dissuade the criminal. The man exhibited considerable humanity in giving the attacker one more chance. He then correctly allowed the batman to leave. Even more, the man had the foresight to obtain his Concealed Carry Permit and then to carry his firearm, even though he and his wife were only going to a “safe” Wal-Mart.

Well done, people. Well done, indeed. I think we can certainly chalk this up as another win for POGO. You listening Bloomberg?

Photo courtesy of the Stearns County Jail

Paul – Great use of restraint.

You CAN’T Have it Your Way!!!

Two young adults and three juveniles found they couldn’t Have it Their Way in an Indianapolis, Indiana Burger King. Their city-wide string of nine violent armed robberies in three days came to a halt when one man interrupted their spree. Fate was kind to the victims, the public-spirited citizen happened to be a concealed carrier and just happened to be a firearms instructor. The five entered the Burger King in hoodies and masks and carrying guns. One juvenile immediately pointed his gun at a cashier and demanded money. The CCW carrier had seen the quintuple putting on their masks and followed them inside. When the workers were threatened, the instructor acted. As he ordered the robbers to the floor, one armed juvenile turned toward the customer, who opened fire. In the exchange of fire, the robber fired one to the instructors five times, who connected with a superficial wound to his opponent’s arm. The criminal dropped his firearm and ran from the Burger King. He was followed by his four accomplices, one who also dropped his gun. The citizen, and all the the employees and customers in the restaurant were unhurt in the gunfire.

The five were later arrested by Indianapolis police. Four of the master criminals immediately confessed their crime spree to the police. We wonder if the fifth was at the hospital being stitched and doped up. All five could be charged with felony armed robbery and kidnapping. The wounded juvenile could face an additional felony charge of attempted battery by means of a deadly weapon.

Police commended the actions of the firearms instructor, as do we. He could have certainly taken the safer, and probably wiser, path of simply being a good witness. However, this sheepdog chose to act to protect the innocents. Well done, sir.

Rob- Again, was this well practiced defender wise or lucky?

Paul – what are you doing following robbers into a robbery site?

Rachel – agreed with both. Also, sometimes gut feelings are true. But in a life or death situation, you’d better be REALLY sure you can trust your gut feeling before doing something like this. In the end, #wewerentthere.

Gary –

The gray council-

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Hey Paul let me know if you need me to come with and climb around caves so you don’t hurt your back looking for antique Japanese rifles! 😉

-Clayton

Congrats on the Shield 9mm, Paul! I tell customers at the range I’d buy three if I could justify the spending, I have six different ways to carry them! -Clayton

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Thanks for having Charlie Cook on the show! Charlie, I am proud of you for furthering your instructor skillset. Very cool of you being known for shotgun riding!

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Working hard to keep those recipes off the air, thanks for appreciating me Gary! -Clayton

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All,

Thanks for the coverage of GRPC; I was registered last year and unable to attend. Dallas would certainly make things easier for me in 2017.

To add to the the “can of worms” John mentioned, anyone interested in this subject should check out Krisanne Hall’s podcasts atkrisannehall.com. Search for “convention” in the upper right corner of her site and you’ll find her five part series on this subject. She references the Congressional Research Service’s opinions on the subject and notes that Congress has not been ignoring this possibility. Evaluate her opinions for yourself, but the series is well worth a listen by anyone who wonders about the effectiveness of such a convention or how it might function.

Also, I am completely against a national reciprocity agreement. Anytime we invite government, especially the Federal government, into our business it ends up badly for freedom. We are simply asking for a subsequent congress or regulatory agency to establish a system that we will regret. As much as a pain as it is now, far better in my opinion to let gun states be gun states, and not force them under a big umbrella with the likes of CA, NJ, MA, or HI. It won’t end well for gun owners. I would rather see this issue worked at the state level with mutual agreements.

Todd

San Diego

Paul – The 14th amendment should be

Rob- Are we going to play hardball back? What has playing by the rules brought us?

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Hi all!Thanks for the GRPC coverage, much appreciated from all of us who couldn’t make it. It was interesting to hear your George Zimmerman interview. He’s always been painted as a loose cannon, yet he sounded very polite and relatable. I am grateful he was able to help Paul through his struggle with an evil prosecuting attorney. Also appreciate you folks dishing out political advice to people who think their vote doesn’t matter! Even if you can only make a difference in your local government, that adds up!I appreciate the coverage on Mr. Falconer stopping the terrorist in St. Cloud. That one hit home for me, I’ve been to that mall! I have a lot friends in St. Cloud. The attack had a few silver linings around here: showing the world an IDPA shooter saving lives with his skill set was a good one!A substantial number of sheep-people realized things like this can happen anywhere and that they didn’t have a way to stop maniacs with knives unless they got some training and acquired weapons of their own. I feel it also got a lot of criticism off the backs of people like us who already carry. I just had a friendly encounter with two police officers in Champlin, Minnesota, after which they referenced the mall stabbing and said they appreciated me being armed. Stay polite but stay dangerous!-Clayton=================================================================

Even though it is not a DGU I wanted to mention it in the listener feedback segment.

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I’ve not yet been so, uh, inspired to STOP the podcast playing in my ears and immediately go to my email machine and send you a note. At 1:37:00 in episode 390 (GRPC episode), John said, “The key thing to remember about a convention of the states is that they can propose anything, any changes, they have no rules. Once you have a convention of the states anything can be proposed, including getting rid of the Second Amendment.” This is correct. However, your unstated–but glaringly obvious–belief is that these proposals can come out of the convention of states as new law by conventional fiat.

WRONG

What you are thinking of is a Constitutional Convention, the likes of which we have had only once. A convention of states is merely a way for the STATES to propose Constitutional amendments. So far, only the Congress has proposed amendments. The states have never done so, even though clearly given the authority by the Constitution through a convention of states.

Every amendment that is proposed by the convention of states must go through the exact same process of getting ratified by three-quarters of the states’ legislatures. That process will keep every bad idea (and probably most good ideas) from ever becoming ensconced in our great Constitution. A convention of states is NOT “opening a can of worms.”

Please, John, do not pass along faulty information that shows yourself ill-informed. Instead, advocate for a convention of states since there are so many issues that our corrupt Congress would NEVER propose, including term limits for law-makers and judges and requirements for balanced budgets.

With all due respect and admiration,

Chris

John – I’d like to respond to Chris since I’m mentioned in his email. His presumption that I thought anything proposed by a Convention of the States became instantly law is erroneous. Having taken two semesters of Constitutional Law in college I know as well as he does what Article V specifies. However, I still do think that a Convention of the State is a can of worms and I don’t think this is ill-informed. As reasonable people,we will continue to have a difference of opinion.

Rachel- I wasn’t present for the discussion on the last episode, but I’ve had plenty of conversations on the subject. I am not in favor of a constitutional convention, or an Article V convention (many people distinguish the two). There are lots of reasons, so I’ll just mention one right now: people. What people exactly is it who would be involved in this convention of the states? (probably some sort of delegates….chosen by the people….let me think, isn’t Congress made up of delegates…chosen by the people?) What people would be writing amendments? What people would be responsible for ratifying and enforcing these? In short, why do we think a new system or set of rules or amendments will make a difference? If the people of the United States have gotten us where we are now and are keeping us here, I don’t believe a new system is really going to change that. I was raised in a cult that was obsessed with always creating a new system. Anytime things were messed up, a convention was called and new principles and systems were taught. We implemented them rigorously. It never fixed anything. A new system will not fix broken people.

That having been said, I could be wrong. Either way, you are absolutely entitled to your own belief, and I still support your efforts to create change in the way you believe is most effective. If we end up with a convention of the states, I absolutely hope it ends up well.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank R P Ruggerio for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Festus, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, October 8th, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have a guest interview with George Zimmerman.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how the Federal agents had local police to send them license plate scans … from gun shows.

Charlie: I’m Charlie Cook, and we will also talk about a big 2nd Amendment win in the 9th circuit.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we will talk about the terrorist attack in Minnesota that was stopped by a good guy with a gun. So climb aboard,

Charlie: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 390 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

(Paul- Rachel is away this episode, so we’ll start with Rob. How have you been since GRPC.

Rob- I went to the range. We had the bay to ourselves so we could conduct a little move and shoot exercise. I bought a new outside the waistband holster from Concealment Solutions. It is the sidewinder pro, and it is much more comfortable than my old holster. I also got a horizontal magazine pouch from Blade-Tech. I had fun with Bill and Greg on The Firearms Chat. I’ll be on Armed Lutheran Radio with Lloyd Bailey this Tuesday. I had a great time with Jeff and Robyn Street at the Gun-Rights Policy Conference, and I had Jeff on the recent episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. September was a new record month so thank you to our new listeners. Paul and I will host Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio on Monday evening October 17th.

John – Since GRPC I was a guest on Bill Chachkes’ The Firearm Chat talking about the riots in Charlotte and how the pistol purchase permit forced people to see other means of self-defense. On Sunday, Barb and I will be working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the Asheville Gun Show. Our statewide elections are very close and the pro-gun candidates need all the help they can get.

Charlie

Gary

Paul/Susan Paul is back to working after GRPC – new shield – range report. Susan recovering from surgery.

Big Brother is at it again. According to a recent Wall Street Journal article, federal agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement have conceived a plan to monitor you. It seems that the feds were utilizing data from license plate cameras at gun shows in Southern California. Perhaps they are trying to close the infamous “gun show loophole?” Of course, many Second Amendment advocates are concerned about this apparent violation of Fourth Amendment protections.

Even the ACLU stated that this, “highlights the problem with mass collection of data.” The agency is viewing two completely legal activities (purchasing firearms and crossing a border) to determine who is likely to be involved in criminal activity.

Erich Pratt of Gun Owners of America, expressed his group’s opposition to such tactics. He stated, “information on law-abiding gun owners ends up getting recorded, stored, and registered, which is a violation of the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection act and of the Second Amendment.”

Other people quoted as objecting to this practice include the gun show’s CEO and John Chigos, CEO of PlateSmart Technologies, Inc. When a company selling these products believes this is targeted abuse of the technology, you can be fairly certain these practices are questionable.

An internet search of the topic revealed that The Department of Homeland Security issued a Privacy Impact Assessment related to this type of activity. The document provides flowery language regarding training, privacy risk and limitations. However, it is clear that ICE intends to use such data, “to help locate the subjects of enforcement actions and investigations.” It also states that they will not create a database from these activities. How many of you believe that?

John – Could you imagine if pro-gun people scanned license plates and posted them on the Internet after a Moms Demand event? The media would be all over it.

Rob- ICE runs guns to Mexico. ICE can’t find illegal immigrants, but they can find my license plate at a gun show. President Obama has weaponized another branch of government.

Gary –

John – The answer to your question is that ICE crafted this plan in 2010.

2- News 2

There is some good news coming out of the courts this week. The U.S. District Court for the Northern Mariana Islands rendered a generally favorable Second Amendment ruling. This is refreshing after the disappointing 9th Circuit ruling on the Peruta case.

The case was filed by Paul Murphy, a persistent man as you’d expect from an Army Ranger and war veteran. Murphy challenged seven aspects of the Commonwealth’s statutory law including: Licensing and registration, storage at home, large capacity magazines, rifle calibers above .223, an “assault weapon” ban, transporting operable firearms and a whopping $1,000 tax on handguns.

Chief Judge Ramona Manglona cited the “plain language” of the Second Amendment as well as the Heller and McDonald decisions in her ruling. Although she upheld a ban on concealed carry by citing Peruta, she upheld the right to open carry. Judge Manglona recognized that the Commonwealth cannot create limitations to public carry that result in virtual elimination of the right to bear arms. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals seemed to miss this logical conclusion in its Peruta decision.

Manglona struck down the “assault weapons” ban as it relates to rifle accessories. These accessories include pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, folding or telescoping stocks, flare launchers, flash suppressors and forward pistol grips. In an unusual display of common sense, the judge pointed out the folly of banning accessories that increase one’s ability to shoot accurately. Yes, it really is desireable for the shots to hit their intended target!

The Commonwealth’s $1,000 handgun tax was struck down with particularly strong language. The Court stated, “The power to tax is not just the power to fund the government, it is the power to destroy.” Judge Manglona recognized the tax, “comes close to destroying the Second Amendment right to acquire ‘the quintessential self-defense weapon.’” The Commonwealth’s gun registration system was also eliminated as it was deemed unjustified on the grounds of public safety.

On a negative note, the judge did uphold the ban on magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds. The reasoning for this decision is familiar; it could reduce deaths in mass shootings. Although we do not agree with this particular aspect of the ruling, as a whole, this decision is a big win for the good guys and gals. If only more Federal court judges would apply the law as thoughtfully as Judge Manglona.

John – We were VERY lucky on this case. As Paul said, Mr. Murphy represented himself.

Rob- I thought he was represented by the SAF?

Gun Quotes- I want a government small enough to fit inside the constitution. Harry Browne

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- GRPC report

Rob- Part of GRPC is absolutely inspiring. We see champions of human rights from across the US and in fact around the world. Then we hear Sidney Powell, Esq., author, Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice

4- Interview 2 – George Zimmerman

5- DGUs (at beginning) We are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Because: Texas!Four men attempted to rob a Conroe, Texas jewelry store, and received a very Texas-like welcome.

The four men in black entered the store with guns drawn; demanding jewelry, purses and valuables. As an employee drew a gun, one or more of the attackers opened fire. Multiple employees, probably three or more, returned the thugs’ fire. The tables were definitely tipped in their favor when Jeffrey Turner, of Jeff’s Jewelry, added his AK-47 to the fracas. According to Conroe Police Lieutenant Dorcy McGinnis; “There was a lot of gunfire.” That’s really an understatement, as news video shows glass blown out of the doorway and many bullet holes in the store’s plate glass windows. Some of those holes appeared to be Texas-sized. Three criminals fled in a Dodge Charger, leaving the fourth’s body, the one who was the first to fire, in the shattered doorway. The getaway car was abandoned, and the escapees are still on the loose. Thankfully, none of the store’s customers or employees were hurt in the gun battle.

This is not the first time Jeff’s Jewelry has been robbed. Two years ago, a plumber’s van backed up to the store before opening time. Five men jumped out and used sledgehammers to break down the doorway. They stopped when they saw an employee grabbing a shotgun. Yelling; “They’ve got guns! Let’s get out of here!”, they ran away. That important lesson was lost on this latest group of criminals. Jeffrey Turner certainly learned from the experience, and brought in the additional firepower of an AK-47 to better defend his customers and employees. All those who decry the so-called assault weapons should reflect on what this good gun in the hands of a good guy did: it served to successfully defend the lives of innocent victims.

All criminals should think twice about robbing a jewelry store in Texas. Crime doesn’t pay, especially when it might just get you a Texas-sized reception with some very capable civilian firearms.

Charlie-have you seen that “shopping in texas video” where someone pulls a cork from a bottle and everyone draws their guns?

Rob- Family were employees. They needed their guns to protect themselves.

John – Shows why you need a standard capacity magazine – that is more than 10 rounds.

Paul – And the employees only dropped ONE of the bad guys.

Charlie- isn’t that how Massad Ayoob started out? As for high cap mags, I tell students bad guys have friends.

Rob- The store employees need training and practice to save their family.

John – We forget about the impact of stress.

Another Night In Chicago:

Meanwhile, in The City of Peace, that violent burg known as Chicago, a motorist was forced to defend his life when assaulted by two armed thugs. The 22-year-old victim was sitting in his car with another man when two men with pistols threatened them and demanded their money. The concealed carry permit holder reacted, shooting one of the robbers in the head. Treamel Gray, 23, died at the scene.

The coroner ruled the death as a homicide. But, unlike the vast majority of the killings in Chicago, this one was a justifiable homicide, and the police will not file charges.

Treamel Gray’s Facebook page provides a window into the life — and perhaps death — of the man. Gray’s Facebook username was TKillar and his page features a profile picture of Gray and a friend pretending to point guns at the viewer. We do know that a legally possessed weapon allowed two men to survive the attack of TKillar.

Rob-

A Gunnie Saves Lives in Jihadi Mall Attack

With a cry to Allah in his throat and a knife in his hand, a man rampaged through a St Cloud, Minnesota mall, leaving a bloody trail of ten victims. The Somali immigrant, dressed in his security guard uniform, asked some if they were Muslim before stabbing the victims with a large knife. Others were brutally knifed without a word. One man stepped into that desperate situation and ended what is now known by everyone, but the Feds, to be a terrorist attack. Surveillance videos show the suspect striking at the defender, who fired his CCW firearm in return. The attacker got up to resume his attacks three times before the final shot.

Jason Falconer is the man who ended the Jihadi attack. Officials and the media quickly button-holed him as a police chief. But, he’s much more than a cop: He’s a gunnie! One of us. And we can – and should – be more like him.

The established media could have easily provided a fuller picture of this hero, but it was left up to new media to provide the real story: Falconer was a small-town police chief and a current part-time cop. However, that is only a small part of the man. His full-time job is managing Tactical Advantage, his shooting range offering sales, gunsmithing services and personal security training. He’s also an IDPA competitor and three-gun shooter. And he’s a dedicated concealed carrier. But mostly, he’s a sheepdog, someone who’s dedicated a large portion of his life to improving his capabilities and helping those around him. And in this, we can all certainly be like him.

Radical Islamists (there, Mr. President, we said it for you,) were quick to embrace the mall knifeman and claim responsibility for the attack. This homegrown terrorist was apparently radicalized and instructed via the internet by ISIS. Social media and Google Drive are delivering ISIS’ glossy terror magazine, Rumiyah, to potential jihadis worldwide. The on-line magazine suggests a campaign of knife attacks designed to attain a reasonable kill count, advising that “the more gruesome the attack, the closer one comes to achieving the desired objective to terrorize an entire nation.” The Islamist terror converts are asked to prey on small crowds, or individuals walking alone in a street, park, forest, beach or quiet neighborhood. It’s obvious to most that this “open-source jihad” is an active and growing threat in America. As already noted, these distributed attacks are best fought by a distributed defense: that is, an armed populace. In this, Jason Falconer’s Minnesota mall example is important; it shows what a man who has trained and practiced, carrying a concealed weapon, and acting with courage and resolve can do. Falconer acted to protect his family and those around him; he is the prototypical good man with a gun doing good things. We can all do that, we can take responsibility for our own safety and the safety of our families. We can get training and practice and carry. And unfortunately, it looks like we will need to.

Jason Falconer, be like him. POGO. Now, more than ever.

Charlie – part time police & retired police vs armed citizen

Rob- Charlie, the media thinks all solutions come from government. We are the solution. IDPA Paul. Told you IDPA was good training.

Paul – the bad guy was wearing a security guard’s uniform- that could have been a bit difficult to react to

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Gotta agree with Ty about IDPA 100%. It’s a valuable avenue of experience. Don’t treat it like a game. Treat it like training.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Hello–Writing to both Tom@GunTalk and the PS folksI live in WA state, and it’s doubtful anyone but Hillary will win here (see my reference below). A listener on Gun Talk suggested that — since he also lived in an overwhelmingly Democratic state— in order offset or potentially divide the Democrat vote in the future, he was going to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Everyone— would you be willing to discuss this tactic on air? The goal is to make the best use of my vote to support the 2nd amendment.Brian

John – I’m not sure if it makes a difference. However, it is the down ticket candidates that will matter. Gary –

Rob- I understand a protest vote since so many Republicans have betrayed the right of self-defense. Where is the CCW reciprocity bill? Where are the local republicans who use local pre-emption to promote firearms ownership?

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Hey all, Been meaning to email about the DGU where some criminals decided to have a shootout in a Walmart parking lot. You were discussing the concept of not knowing who the good and bad guys are and Paul said something that really unnerved me. He said he’d know which ones are bad because they would be the ones running away. I couldn’t disagree more! If I find myself in the middle of a critical incident and I have a clear escape route I am immediately running away! Don’t shoot me Paul! Especially since I live in a Duty to Retreat state. It’s required, and also a good idea. Thanks for the show, appreciate the hard work. Stay safe, and more importantly stay dangerous. Can I get a shout out to my friend Jeff who keeps forgetting to POGO? We ended up in downtown St. Cloud at night (the night before the terrorist attack) and he was not wearing any of his guns. -Clayton from Minnesota

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Hey guys,I was just wondering if you guys have ever heard about the convention of states. I think it’s Article 5 of the Constitution and what you think about it as a means to get our country back. I’m not a new listener but this is the first time I have sent in feedback.love the show keep up the good work.

Yours truly Chris

Rob-

John – The thing to remember it could be opening a can of worms. Anything could be proposed.

Rob- I wrote that “Distractions are Cheap and Elections Have Consequences.” I took exception to the phrase freedom will prevail. No, it hasn’t. Freedom is fragile. You can’t flush it away and claim you’ll recover it in 40 years. I looked around the world where millions of people voted themselves into grinding oppression. We’ve done that in states and cities here in the US. Does anyone expect Detroit to recover? How about Chicago or California? If you aren’t sure whether to vote and be politically active, these examples of failed democracies should motivate you. They certainly scared me.

I also reposted an article my wife had on “The Blaze”. She noticed the similarities between the billionaires we have attacking the human right of self-defense and the billionaires promoting state propaganda about who we should have sex with, like sex with underage children. That article is called Billionaires Buying the Laws They Want

I did a post on Wednesday about Michael Bloomberg’s attempt to buy himself another attorney general for Pennsylvania. His previous effort turned out poorly as Kathleen Kane resigned in disgrace after being convicted of a felony. His new effort is to get anti-gun Josh Shapiro elected. Bloomberg has invested $250K in this election and that constitutes almost 10% of the monies raised by both Shapiro and his opponent St. Senator John Rafferty combined. I hope the residents of the Keystone State reject Bloomberg and his puppet Josh Shapiro. If only every one of the million deer hunters voted for gun rights than other stuff it would be a foregone conclusion.

Charlie – when can we expect more “Riding Shotgun With Charlie”? …not soon enough 😉

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Charlie for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Festus, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Charlie: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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