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I have been using Thunderbird for months and am very happy with it. I
originally posted my real Email address in the newsgroup accounts and I
now get at least five infected Emails everyday. This is not a problem
as Vet anti virus cleans them and Thunderbird moves them automatically
to the junk file.

Last night I was using Mozilla and noticed two files in the junk file.
I decided to run virus scan and it detected two infected files in the
junk file but could not clean them. I deleted the files to trash and
then cleaned out the trash file. I checked that trash was empty and did
another scan. It found two infected files in the trash can even though
it appeared empty. Vet was still uable to clean the fies, but did give
me the full path to the infected files which I easily manually deleted.

I do not know if it is a Mozilla problem or a Vet problem but until I
get some logical answers I will not be using Mozilla.

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Moz Champion wrote:
> graeme@invalid wrote:
>
>> I have been using Thunderbird for months and am very happy with it. I
>> originally posted my real Email address in the newsgroup accounts and
>> I now get at least five infected Emails everyday. This is not a
>> problem as Vet anti virus cleans them and Thunderbird moves them
>> automatically to the junk file.
>>
>> Last night I was using Mozilla and noticed two files in the junk file.
>> I decided to run virus scan and it detected two infected files in the
>> junk file but could not clean them. I deleted the files to trash and
>> then cleaned out the trash file. I checked that trash was empty and
>> did another scan. It found two infected files in the trash can even
>> though it appeared empty. Vet was still uable to clean the fies, but
>> did give me the full path to the infected files which I easily
>> manually deleted.
>>
>> I do not know if it is a Mozilla problem or a Vet problem but until I
>> get some logical answers I will not be using Mozilla.
>
>
> First, having the infected files there is not a danger. They would only
> be dangerous if you opened the attachments in the files.
>
> Second, you may have emptied the trash, but probably didnt compress the
> folders. Compress the folders and the messages will be GONE
>
> Moving items to trash doesnt remove them, doesnt even move them. It
> simple sets the pointers to the file to point to the trash. When you
> empty the trash, it removes the pointers, but the file still remains
> where it was before you moved it to trash. Compressing the folders tells
> Mozilla to delete any files that were treshed and no longer have any
> pointer to them.
>
Thanks I have a much better idea on how it works

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graeme@invalid wrote:
> I have been using Thunderbird for months and am very happy with it. I
> originally posted my real Email address in the newsgroup accounts and I
> now get at least five infected Emails everyday. This is not a problem
> as Vet anti virus cleans them and Thunderbird moves them automatically
> to the junk file.
>
> Last night I was using Mozilla and noticed two files in the junk file. I
> decided to run virus scan and it detected two infected files in the junk
> file but could not clean them. I deleted the files to trash and then
> cleaned out the trash file. I checked that trash was empty and did
> another scan. It found two infected files in the trash can even though
> it appeared empty. Vet was still uable to clean the fies, but did give
> me the full path to the infected files which I easily manually deleted.
>
> I do not know if it is a Mozilla problem or a Vet problem but until I
> get some logical answers I will not be using Mozilla.

First, having the infected files there is not a danger. They would only
be dangerous if you opened the attachments in the files.

Second, you may have emptied the trash, but probably didnt compress the
folders. Compress the folders and the messages will be GONE

Moving items to trash doesnt remove them, doesnt even move them. It
simple sets the pointers to the file to point to the trash. When you
empty the trash, it removes the pointers, but the file still remains
where it was before you moved it to trash. Compressing the folders tells
Mozilla to delete any files that were treshed and no longer have any
pointer to them.

graeme@invalid wrote :
> I have been using Thunderbird for months and am very happy with it. I
> originally posted my real Email address in the newsgroup accounts and I
> now get at least five infected Emails everyday. This is not a problem
> as Vet anti virus cleans them and Thunderbird moves them automatically
> to the junk file.
>
> Last night I was using Mozilla and noticed two files in the junk file. I
> decided to run virus scan and it detected two infected files in the junk
> file but could not clean them. I deleted the files to trash and then
> cleaned out the trash file. I checked that trash was empty and did
> another scan. It found two infected files in the trash can even though
> it appeared empty. Vet was still uable to clean the fies, but did give
> me the full path to the infected files which I easily manually deleted.
>
> I do not know if it is a Mozilla problem or a Vet problem but until I
> get some logical answers I will not be using Mozilla.

on 01/Sep/04 09:03 Moz Champion wrote:
> Moving items to trash doesnt remove them, doesnt even move them. It
> simple sets the pointers to the file to point to the trash. When you
> empty the trash, it removes the pointers, but the file still remains
> where it was before you moved it to trash. Compressing the folders tells
> Mozilla to delete any files that were treshed and no longer have any
> pointer to them.

This is clear and works, but why is it so? What is the reason behind not
directly removing the deleted emails and items? When one has a lot of
folders, it means that one has to manually compact all of them pretty
regularely.

Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 01/Sep/04 09:03 Moz Champion wrote:
>
>> Moving items to trash doesnt remove them, doesnt even move them. It
>> simple sets the pointers to the file to point to the trash. When you
>> empty the trash, it removes the pointers, but the file still remains
>> where it was before you moved it to trash. Compressing the folders
>> tells Mozilla to delete any files that were treshed and no longer have
>> any pointer to them.
>
>
> This is clear and works, but why is it so? What is the reason behind not
> directly removing the deleted emails and items? When one has a lot of
> folders, it means that one has to manually compact all of them pretty
> regularely.
>
> Nicolas
No, you don't compact all of them individually. When you use the
compact folders option, it compacts everything within that email
account. So, if you have 3 different email accounts, then you will only
have to do it 3 times -- once for each account.

on 01/Sep/04 16:21 Andreas wrote:
> No, you don't compact all of them individually. When you use the
> compact folders option, it compacts everything within that email
> account. So, if you have 3 different email accounts, then you will only
> have to do it 3 times -- once for each account.

Interesting. I use TB 0.8 with the global inbox. In this case, how does
it work? I just noticed that several of my folder had to be compacted
for a loooong time.

Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 01/Sep/04 16:21 Andreas wrote:
>
>> No, you don't compact all of them individually. When you use the
>> compact folders option, it compacts everything within that email
>> account. So, if you have 3 different email accounts, then you will
>> only have to do it 3 times -- once for each account.
>
>
> Interesting. I use TB 0.8 with the global inbox. In this case, how does
> it work? I just noticed that several of my folder had to be compacted
> for a loooong time.
>

I don't know. I don't use TB, just Moz. But try clicking on File.
> BTW, stupid question, but how does it work with news and feeds?
>
> Nicolas
News -- it doesn't. Just for mail.

Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 01/Sep/04 17:00 Andreas wrote:
>
>> But try clicking on File.
>
>
> Sorry, but I am not sure what you mean by this.
>
> Nicolas
I don't know anything about T'bird, but for Compacting Folders, try
clicking on File, the Compact Folders. Unless, of course, T'bird
doesn't have File, then its located somewhere else, which you'll have to
find.

Nicolas Chevreux wrote :
> Hello,
>
> on 01/Sep/04 16:21 Andreas wrote:
>
>> No, you don't compact all of them individually. When you use the
>> compact folders option, it compacts everything within that email
>> account. So, if you have 3 different email accounts, then you will
>> only have to do it 3 times -- once for each account.
>
> Interesting. I use TB 0.8 with the global inbox. In this case, how does
> it work? I just noticed that several of my folder had to be compacted
> for a loooong time.
>
> BTW, stupid question, but how does it work with news and feeds?

You can experiment and figure it out yourself. Just look in your TB
email profile at the file sizes (not the .msf files).

For example, if "Trash" is larger than 0 bytes, then it still contains
the email messages. Compact your folders, and open it again... the
messages are gone.

Open the file with a text editor if you want to read the messages that
are in the file.

on 01/Sep/04 17:21 Andreas wrote:
> I don't know anything about T'bird, but for Compacting Folders, try
> clicking on File, the Compact Folders. Unless, of course, T'bird
> doesn't have File, then its located somewhere else, which you'll have to
> find.

Oh, the "File" menu. I thought you were writing about the "File" button.
Yes, TB has this. Found it, used it. Thank you very much.

Andreas wrote:
> Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> on 01/Sep/04 09:03 Moz Champion wrote:
>>
>>> Moving items to trash doesnt remove them, doesnt even move them. It
>>> simple sets the pointers to the file to point to the trash. When you
>>> empty the trash, it removes the pointers, but the file still remains
>>> where it was before you moved it to trash. Compressing the folders
>>> tells Mozilla to delete any files that were treshed and no longer
>>> have any pointer to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is clear and works, but why is it so? What is the reason behind
>> not directly removing the deleted emails and items? When one has a lot
>> of folders, it means that one has to manually compact all of them
>> pretty regularely.
>>
>> Nicolas
>
> No, you don't compact all of them individually. When you use the
> compact folders option, it compacts everything within that email
> account. So, if you have 3 different email accounts, then you will only
> have to do it 3 times -- once for each account.
>
> Andreas

Thats how trash works on computers. Its the same way with your trash (or
recycle bin) on Windows.

When you move an item to such, it doesnt really move the item, all it
does is change the pointers to the file to point to trash (or recycle).
When you empty the trash (or recycle bin) it removes the pointers, but
the file remains where it was.

This method allows you to recover files from trash (recycle bin) even
after you have emptied it. With Windows, the space the file took is
marked 'available' so that, in time, the file will be overwritten by
another. Within Mozilla, the space the file took is within a specific
Mozilla file, so when you Compress Folders, Mozilla takes the file,
eliminates the parts that are no longer there, then re-writes the file
to disk.

on 02/Sep/04 02:08 Moz Champion wrote:
> Within Mozilla, the space the file took is within a specific
> Mozilla file, so when you Compress Folders, Mozilla takes the file,
> eliminates the parts that are no longer there, then re-writes the file
> to disk.

Understood. So, unless I compact my folder, I can find back old emails
which I thought I had deleted ages ago, just by editing the mailbox, right?

Nicolas Chevreux wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 02/Sep/04 02:08 Moz Champion wrote:
> > Within Mozilla, the space the file took is within a specific
>
>> Mozilla file, so when you Compress Folders, Mozilla takes the file,
>> eliminates the parts that are no longer there, then re-writes the file
>> to disk.
>
>
> Understood. So, unless I compact my folder, I can find back old emails
> which I thought I had deleted ages ago, just by editing the mailbox, right?
>
> This sounds useful, but hungry for hard disk space.
>
> Nicolas

You would have to open the files in a text editor, but yes, thats the idea.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:27:29 +0200,
Nicolas Chevreux <> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on 02/Sep/04 02:08 Moz Champion wrote:
> > Within Mozilla, the space the file took is within a specific
> > Mozilla file, so when you Compress Folders, Mozilla takes the file,
> > eliminates the parts that are no longer there, then re-writes the file
> > to disk.
>
> Understood. So, unless I compact my folder, I can find back old emails
> which I thought I had deleted ages ago, just by editing the mailbox, right?
>
> This sounds useful, but hungry for hard disk space.

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