Off topic, but i don't like Corporate USA or the government, they are both greedy and nether have the peoples interest in mind. Large corporations hardly ever pay the taxes they are suppose to, they are an extreme amount of loopwholes, and right now, the larger the business, the larger the tax breaks.

As far as Valve goes, who knows whats going on, maybe its greed, maybe its higher cost of doing business, who knows, but Valve should release a public statement detailing their pricing model, if they really cared about their customers, thats what should happen, but it won't.

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Well said, and I believe you are correct on both parts. We need honesty from both government and businesses no matter what country they are based in. Hopefully things in America will change in this respect but time will tell, they are the ones with the money and money is power. We will see...

Thats a pretty good price for a popular game, and is expected.
I can't check the price on steam as the store is running slow for me.
But converting £25 into USD = $37
Converting £25 into EUR = 27.

So if it is $37 into 37 euros, then that is unfair (after tax).

Its cheaper to buy from play.com for both GTA 4 and Fallout 3 by 2 pounds.
Steam store didn't bring the advantage it promised to bring, which was supposed to be lower prices. I'd rather have my game disc than an account.

I've been reading about taxes to digital distribution and in every legal document that I found they say that for non-EU supplier to non-bussiness individual transactions the VAT has to be applied, and ONLY the VAT from what I can understand:

For the non-EU supplier whose EU customers are non-business individuals or organisations, from July 2003 there has been an obligation to charge and account for VAT on these sales just as EU suppliers have to do.

The Commission claimed at the time of introduction that the taxation framework contained a number of elements designed to make the operation of the tax as simple as possible and, in particular, to ensure that it is not disruptive or onerous for suppliers of digital services.

I've been reading about taxes to digital distribution and in every legal document that I found they say that for non-EU supplier to non-bussiness individual transactions the VAT has to be applied, and ONLY the VAT from what I can understand:

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Yes, but what taxes/royalties/premiums/etc. does the non-EU supplier have to pay to the government?

Lol one thing though id be delighted if we here in oz were charged the same dollar amount as is quoted in the US price but no we get slugged more i still think is great. I guess being an Aussie though im just used to higher prices for software. =/

When i purchased games through Steam i paid what was on the price in dollars + tax i payed nearly that $1=€1, if they want to put that equation if they keep this rule they can suck my lollipop. It's expensive enough already...

One thing about VAT... taxes is goverened by the local regions goverment/state/country. And to sell an piece of software with or without taxes are defined by local laws.

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If this is true then Valve is just making its margin. They may be ripping one group of people off to offer the same product to another group for a fair price. If this is the case you have no one to blame but your own local government. Valve is just leveling the playing field. IF the quote I posted is true.

Yes, but what taxes/royalties/premiums/etc. does the non-EU supplier have to pay to the government?

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None. They pay VAT (which no one is complaining about) and corporation taxes on profits (do they even do this as an American based company, since the US government will probably want to tax the profits).

I haven't checked other EU member states, but if corporation tax is lower there, then they can officially reside there and export to the rest of the EU with no additional charge.

Also people should remember that firms can charge what they want as this isn't anti-competitive. It only is if firms collude or monopolise the market. Both are difficult to prove as shown by itunes case. And even if you can prove this, then you can't mandate lower pricing but should somehow improve competitive behaviour or the competition itself. Steam is no way a monopoly when there are hundreds of online stores selling the same stuff for delivery.

Also console RRP/MSRP prices in europe are 59.99 EUR or £39.99. Obviously you get lower prices online due to the competition and only the most demanded games can maintain this price. Also in the UK most PC games actually retail at £29.99 to £19.99. PC game prices and console game prices are very different (i guess due to piracy).

Thats a pretty good price for a popular game, and is expected.
I can't check the price on steam as the store is running slow for me.
But converting £25 into USD = $37
Converting £25 into EUR = 27.

So if it is $37 into 37 euros, then that is unfair (after tax).

Its cheaper to buy from play.com for both GTA 4 and Fallout 3 by 2 pounds.
Steam store didn't bring the advantage it promised to bring, which was supposed to be lower prices. I'd rather have my game disc than an account.

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Steam price
49,99€
Buy Grand Theft Auto IV

Play.com is ripping euro buyers off too with the current pound to euro ratio. We can only buy with euros to outside UK address. If you change the currency in the corner that brings GTA IV to 34,99€. Still it's cheaper than In Finland, 38€ cheapest price or 41€ delivered.

I've just been using play.com for years, used to buy everything with pounds (saved a bit). Don't know when was the last time they have checked the conversion rate, have to write them about it. (and yeah I get that they are hiding the postage to the conversion, but almost 10€ is too much for a dvd). edit: did write them an e-mail, Friends 10 season boxset has £55/$82/60€ extra price in it if you just change the currency

I'm not arguing for one side or the other here, but I think everyone is forgetting that digital distribution is NOT free.

Yeah they cut the box, the disc, the manual, blah, blah, blah out of the mix. Instead they have to have the servers, bandwidth, electricity, blah, blah blah for digital. Could very well cost as much or more to digital.

Maybe internet/bandwidth costs in europe/other countries are way more than US. Maybe electricity to run their servers costs more. Maybe Valve is greedy. Maybe the government is greedy. Maybe mathematics is being greedy.

I don't know why prices are what they are, You don't know why the prices are what they are. Everyone just calm down.

If you can get the games cheaper by buying a phsyical copy than do that.

There's something fishy about paying more for a digital download than for a hard copy!
Either Valve is violating EU Trade laws like Apple did with the iPhone, in which case the EU will b1tch slap them until they correct the prices, OR the Romanian retail stores are doing something illegal.
I already made filled out a form to the European Union to complain about Valve's price policy, so did many other European Steam users. Hopefully they will take action.
If not, that's entirely Valve's loss! They're the ones loosing customers over this decision...
I'm not buying anything from Steam until they correct this problem!