I've been egged on to start this thread for the BFP'S from Napro. I got my BFP yesterday and am still in shock!! took my 11-12mths of charting to get this far. I would be nice to chat to other BFP'S and see how all are doing.

Reposted from last night as some of you couldn't see the post, it came up in blue ink

Hi Girls

I would really appreciate some advice. I am on the antibiotics and I feel positively awful. Dr Cahill has mentioned several time, 'if you can stay on them for the full 3 weeks', which leads me to believe that they aren't easy to stay on. I have no energy, no appetite, feel very emotional and down. Is this the antibiotics doing this to me or is it something else? What did any of you feel like when you were on the antibiotics?

Thanks girls about your replies about cytotec - hopefully it works! Babydust I had follicle tracking recently at gcrm. I thought they were very thorough even though I wasn't a patient of theirs. I had no problem getting an appointment & they do follicle tracking appointments from 7.30am which was great as I didn't need to take time off work.

Sorry about delay in reply. I get my bloods done in Kingsbridge private hospital Belfast. Can anyone recommend somewhere to get follicle tracking done in Belfast? I am struggling, it is so hard to get an appointment anywhere.

Had peak +2 follicle scan done today, follicle ruptured, so success, but lining hasn't thickened more than it was four days ago. It was 7.2mm four days ago and 7.8mm today. Anyone know reasoning behind this not thickening anymore than it has already, also what are the implications? I'm aware if it's not thick enough no implantation can occur, but is it problematic if I do achieve and it doesn't thicken anymore?

Hi mrs c 1981 ... I'm a former success with Napro having baba now she's 8 months born as I turned 44.Dr B gave me cytotek like you and it's to do all possible to ensure any eggs rupture correctly as far as I know .. Hope that helps .when I took it my CM was really flowing !!!!

Mummytb good luck with the IVF, napro will have got u into peak condition fir this. Keep us informed.DAEG thanks. It all sounds like endo to me my main symptoms where the tail end brown bleeding and constipation during periods no great pain etc. Had it removed an ovarian drilling also fir pcos, Dr a at the beacon is fab.In relation to diet low gi was for pcos management and Dr od said to avoid gluten free alternatives as they are high in sugar but again pcos management. I went to Origin in North, but don't live in Belfast, git follical tracking done at Alnagelvin. I woukd continue to try to go to the go gp who did your vitamin d tests as seem supportive, if they put the p+7test on their system u just book a treatment room appointment each time. I had mine done for 5 years no problem, think of all the money your saving them on the nhs for fertility, my gps also does most prescriptions expect hcg injection's and naltroxen, so try them for it also.mrsc1981 never heard of cyclotech but I use cyclogest which is a suppository used to increase your progesterone levels, I have continued on it throughout the pregancy as napro described my progesterone as just borderline throughout the pregancy but all seems fine.Baby dust to all

Hi DAEG, I am also in the North. I have been getting my peak +7 bloods done by the nurses at my gp practice for the past 15months & they never raised any problems. They are probably sick of the sight of me by now!

Btw Dr B has recently prescribed me cytotec to take for 5 days from 3rd day before peak - does anyone know what this is supposed to do as he didn't mention how it would help!

Thanks for the responses. I didnt think there would be other Northerners on here. My GP refused to do all the 3 day bloods on list, then gave in and said she would do them all except vit D. When I went for my peak + 7 bloods I got another GP who told me to go get my vit D that day. I doubt they will agree to do my peak +7 every month for me so I dont know what to do. Babydust, Where do you go in Belfast?

I have multiple problems. Was always told I had unexplained infertility and nothing wrong with me. I have:

Brown bleeding before and after period. Low progesterone???

Constipation during period ( which I always presumed eveybody did). I have never been asked this before. Possible Endo?

Very severe period pain (rate 10) but I only have this every few months. Possible Endo??

We are doing meds and vitamins first for a few months to see if that helps then on to Lap surgery!!! I am doing the no wheat, no dairy, no sugar diet. Like seriously do I have to do low GI too??? I am finding this diet thing very hard.

Hi girls,Being one of napro's success stories, have to say the costs are well worth it 33+2day and 4.5wks left until delivery date. I am with Dr Od he never pushed for intolerance test just avoid wheat and diary and stick to low gi diet, I was with Napro for almost 5 years and spent allot less that one IVF would gave cost, pg will be worth every penny.tok naltroxen was a miracle drug for me, kept me level and my moods where stabilised.Daeg & BD21 I am from the North n my gps practice nurse does my bloods and sends results to Dr Od to interprete.get Dr C to send a letter to your gp.Daeg I am 40 in a couple of months, so stop worrying about age just be patient and follow the programme. BD21 that is what I love about napro, they get to the root of the problem and work to correct. At no point was endo ever considered by anyone in North, but tru charting and tracking Dr Od thought it was worth investigating and had lap and removed stage 1 endo and ovarian drilling and got pregnant on the very next cycle.Girls keep the Napro faith.

I am from the North and in pretty much the same situation. I get my bloods done in Belfast in a private clinic. I feel your pain, 4 failed ivf's, ttc for 5 years. What are you wondering about? I am relatively new to Napro, my first appointment was in Mar 15

Hope it is ok for me to hop on your thread. I just started Napro about 7 weeks ago and thought id come back to RC. I used to be on here a lot. Did 3 iuis 2010/2011 and 2 ivfs 2011/ 2012, then I totally give up for a few years. Of course i secretly hoped i would be one of those people who stops fertility treatment and then gets a miracle, but no. Anyway so i have just started napro and am hoping this will work. I have the usual worries,ie, i am too old now, etc but i am hopeful as i feel Dr C at Beacon wasthe first person who actually is trying to figure out WHY i never got pregnant.

Are any of ypu girls from the North? I am wondering how i am going to figure out all the stuff with the bloods!!

Hi tok, hormonaly I feel more balanced on the drugs than the emotional mess i usually am, so bonus there! This is my third month using letrozole and hcg, things were tweaked last month, it wasn't successful so back to he original plan for this month, which is 7tabs of letrozole on day3 instead of 5 tabs. Good luck

Hi there, I'm starting the letrozole tmw and then onto the hcg injections and scans etc. This will b my first cycle of this treatment after having laparoscopy done for endo and am just wondering are there any side affects I should expect and should I warn dh that I'll be a hormonal mess with all this going on? Also does it take long on average to find the right balance of meds to get the type of follicle needed etc or is that a silly question? Suppose I'm trying to gauge how many months I'll b going in and out for scans.

I'll send you a pm once I have dh home 2mrw. Hopefully I'll be able to find out the cost for you aswell. It perfect timing for us too, fitting perfectly around ovulation. Exactly what I'm thinking too another box ticked. Any idea why they didn't contact him at your earlier appointments.

Cdfmum I had a rummage and found it, very embarrassed! He highlighted four of the thirteen in relation to my factors.

God morplease that's extortionate, 5000-7000, it's a diploma obviously. I'd still consider it though, maybe in a year or two though!!

cdfmum re food intolerances, I chose to do thfitzwilliam about four years ago as I knew I was ill too often, anything and everything from chronic flu like symptoms nearly monthly, to cold sores reappearing all too often. I cut out all that came up, and to be honest I do feel like it kick started my immune system again for me, it is really expensive though, would make your eyes water!

Napro is all about the money. They charge enormous prices for consultations and for scans and for charting teaching. To recover just the fee of the training to become a teacher would take 140 times to consult someone about the charting. I am not taking in consideration time involved - neither for consulting nor for training. What does cost so much in wonder..................

I did fit also n mine came back intollerant to just about the whole of my diet. I discussed this with Dr O'd n he just said to concentrate on the usual wheat gluten n dairy. He also advocates low gi diet. So I kinda felt what the feck did I bother for then?!!!!

i suppose everyone needs to make their own descision in consultation with their Dr.

Hi cdf, that's interesting about the food intolerance test. My DH and I did one from a company over here a few years back (used hair), and it showed I was intolerant to everything- like fitzwilliam lol. I fine them hard to stick to, but do my best.

Yeah the charting practitioner training, there is no one near where I live that does it so it would be nice to do. My teacher said it cost her between 5000- 7000 to do it in the South of England (including accommodation). I was really shocked when she said how much it was. She is lovely, and really encouraged me to do it, but there is no way I could find that money with all this fertility stuff going on, and it would take an entire lifetime in scotland, if not longer, to ever make that back teaching people to chart.

Girls, I was thinking for last few weeks.... Napro pushes to everyone this Fitzwilliam Food Intolerance Test (FIT for future reference - want to simplify my life). It is very expensive - 40 products €135. And then there are still so many products that we are not tested against. Whats even worse - the results come with... a fantastic booklet. Whats in the booklet? 1 page explaining on what to do with your results. 6 pages - UPSELLING to a more expensive tests to test against more products.

Anyone can relate? I felt badly cheated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was recently asking around about those FIT tests, as ages ago I got one done while visiting friends abroad. It was 160 products, really inexpensive and I was allowed to watch and ask questions while the test was done to see what is happening with my blood, when I eat.... mushrooms or drink... wine... Was really impressive.

SO..... if you ask, you may get. A friend of mine suggested another test - Lorisian. 150 products just a little bit more expensive than Fitzwilliam. But much more comprehensive, wouldn't you agree? 150 vs 40.... Hmmmmmmm.

I also found this one: http://www.testyourintolerance.com/ the intolerance testing group. For nothing. Really. You are tested against 600 igredients, 300 foods, 300 chemicals. You can get done the heavy metal toxicity test too and all for the price of a single Fitzwilliam test. The only downside - test is done from your hair, so if you dye your hair, you might need to talk to them in advance to discuss options.

Pick and choose. If you want 150 Lorisian, PM me for details. I will get a name and number of a consultant who will take your bloods and will provide with results.

That's fantastic. So is it today or next Wednesday? What did you do, call Napro and say you wanted to be referred to Tallaght. That will be a massive saving, yous should book yourselfs a night away around next ovulation to celebrate! I am delighted. So glad I said it to you, doesn't it just show how useful these sites are. If it's today let me know ho he gets on cause my DH is 2mrw. Seriously delighted things are working out for you.

Starsign, delighted for you. Does he need an ultrasound first or is he going to have it repaired straight away? The Ultrasound was 60 cause you only need to pay for the consultant fee the use of hospital equipment in a public hospital is free. My DH is going in this week to have it repaired so i was told be my health insurer that we'd only have to pay consultant fee again but it may be a bit more cause it will take more of his time.

Hi thekat, as cdf said they should give you this list on a sheet of paper at your first appointment, along with the possible solutions. I think this is the list-though it's off the top of my head, so please correct any that are wrong anyone :-)

Mike65,Welcome to the board. Would agree with emmch get going on charting before appointment. U say u have endo has this been removed? I am with Dr Od who described endo as a pure pois ion, I had stage 1 endo removed by Dr a in the beacon and conceived the next cycle, alost 32wks now.get prepared for your appointment and write a list of questions. Be aware Napro is usually not a quick fix, but focuses on getting your body into optimum condition for conception and pregancy.

Mike65mI'm not sure when your appt is for but if you have a few weeks or more I would suggest getting in touch with a local practitioner to teach you about the charting system so you have a few weeks charts for Dr B to go off and you will understand what he is talking about. You can find their contact details on the website.I find Dr B to be excellent. Best of luck on your Napro journey!

I am pretty new to napro myself, a few months. I have had 4 failed ivf's. Diet seems to be big for napro and giving up dairy, wheat, sugar and all processed foods seems to be something they tell everyone to do. They will offer you a Fitzwilliam food test which will work out exactly what you might be intolerant to but it looks like the 3 things I mentioned above, seem to come up for everyone. Good luck with your journey and keep in touch in the blog.

im am new to napro and just have recived an appointment with dr b in the beacon. I am after 4 ivfs 2 ended in miscarriage. I have endometriosis so far that's all that they have come up with. Have you any advice of how I should prepare for first appointment? Is dr B good? Helpful? This is so new to us, I never thought I would be hear. Would love some advice from you x thanks in advance

The change of diet has got rid of most of the brown bleeding but there is still a few days so i'm starting the antibiotics at the start of my next cycle. I am just so long on this road that I feel hopeless some days. Thanks for all the reassurance I just don't see anything radical happening and was shocked when ivf wasn't successful time and time again.

My husband quite rightly told me I can't keep getting upset about the same thing, which is true! Away on hols most of June and then looking forward to starting napro in July!! Unless I get a bfp in the meantime! Fs

We were also encouraged down the IVF route. The look of horror on the consultants face when I said I was trying an alternative. She literally ended the consultation there and then and closed my file...

I believe NaPro will work. I just need some patience which I am lacking! Good luck with your journey. x

I know that feeling RosaG. I was gutted when I got mine. I thought higher number FSH was worse? I had a 9 result in March last year and then it was 20 in August. The NHS Gyne said this was a decline. What is you AMH? Mine is 0.7. But on the bright side NaPro don't dwell on these numbers and have had successful BFPs with low AMH. x

Lolly 44 7wk scan is from the last day of ur last cycle, this is the date they will use throughout ur pregancy to calculate ur due date. You'll need weekly prog and estrodiol as well. I know the first scan is always the worst we had two previous 7wk scan's where Dr Od was able to tell us that they would end in mc, but ur symptoms etc are a good sign.Baby dust 21st I am with Dr od who doesn't focus on the intolerance tests as much as other Dr's, for me it was low gi and try to avoid wheat and dairy and not us the gluten free alternatives as they have allot of sugar, I would defo find that sticking to this meant good hormone levels etc.Did u have investigations fir edometriouses for brown bleeding, I eventually had a lap and stage 1 endo removed and got pregnant the nxt cyclear but napro like to your hormone s to right levels and do antibiotics first fir brown bleeding.

babydust21, hope you don't mind me interjecting here. One of the most successful ivf clinics in the world, based in London, has very high success rates because it's like ivf bootcamp. Every day they take your blood to see how your body is reacting to the strong meds they have you on, and adjust doses each day accordingly. It is the minor adjustments that result in a pregnancy. The body is so precisely balanced. Not everything has to be perfect, but enough of the jigsaw has to be in place for a baby to develop. Most ivf clinics have a relatively one size fits most drugs regime. The small tweeks napro make is often the missing link that ivf clinics miss, such as making sure hormone levels are right, that imflammation is kept down, that nutrient absoption is optimal, etc.

Have you managed to tick of most of the 13 issues napro know stand in the way of successful pregnancy?

I can empathise about the bad day honey, I am having a bit of a rubbish few days too, but hopefully we'll both turn the corner soon xx