The new FDA regs should really help with the ingredients being IN the products, they have GMP coming up along with the new regs that require testing of many kinds and samples to be done.

the FDA scares me...I don't think they'd do our industry or sport (whichever) any benefit. They look at our kind sort of like a stain from what I can tell. Seeing as how they go on Doc recommendations of one gram of protein per kilo and such. We'd have to place our industry separate, at least in supplementation. Keep their dirty fingers out so we can keep supplement costs from rising too much. Plus they'd (the FDA) mark everything from creatine to Melatonin as an Anabolic Steroid or HGH precursor.

You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...

You know, we have had many dealings with the FDA (as you probably are aware) and honestly, they are decent, hard working people that do their best in a very overwhelming job. They leave supplements alone unless someone in congress gets a bug up their ass from one of the lobbying firms like the whole sports lobby for Balco. If we had our own lobby, they could be educated on sports supplements. They are much more hands off than other countries and from what I can tell easier to work with...

finally a drop of good news when it comes to feds. If there's anything or anyone I can contact in North Carolina. Please feel free to let me know. If i'm not mistaken ISS is based out of North Carolina...

The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.

The situation is very hopeful if we have proper representation. The way the ban of 2004 was handled has taught me a lot. Politicians only care about politics and the politics of sports doping is real with a huge amount of money that goes unopposed. Most congress people don't understand the differences between an person and an athlete. They are trying to go after GH now, which is amazing to me since it is such a small thing compared to heroin and meth. It is such a non-important issue though that a 20k lobbiest would make a huge difference.

from the way he talks we could probably (if this grew sizeably) get Stallone on our bandwagon. He seems the most open celebrity when it comes to supplementation and Growth Hormone. I know that's pipe dreaming but having that kind of power on our side would be dramatically beneficial

I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

Now if you don't mind, I'm off to get my B-15 shot and lift heavy things.

"I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25WHITE WHALE!

I second this. Sly would be a great personality to have representing a group like this in the media. Maybe the Arnold as well after he ends his run as head of California? The main thing is to get not only get known people, but also to get people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable about the supplements in general.

Now if you don't mind, I'm off to get my B-15 shot and lift heavy things.

this is a very interesting idea and could work. might be a good idea to start with developing a certain amount of people to begin the initial organizing of this. find say....... a dozen people in the industry (who don't have their heads in their ass) and put this together. it's going to take a bit of time to hash out all the details and ideas but WTF theres enough of us to get this going. the main idea should be information, informing the uneducated about the pros and cons of what we do, one problem is that i can go into an on-line store, buy a SD clone, take it for 2 months at whatever kind of doses i want to, do nothing for PCT, really f-up my self and turn around and point the figure at YOU the supplement company, and that sucks, but WTF I'm not informed, right? everyone knows that if i take a bottle of aspirin at one time I'm going to have problems right? well why? it's because that's what i was informed. so i don't do that, and I'm fine in that regard. doing something similar of course would benefit that industry, consumer and health care professionals at large. And please don't give me that crap "well the person should have looked into what they were going to take" crap...because simply put, the masses are asses. (oh and i would not be a good canidate for being one of the dozen or so people needed to get this thing off the ground, but i am a good worker bee)

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1) Hopefully reduced health care for both supplement company owners and individuals that wish to opt in...low cost health care is something everyone should have and I beleive that we could get an association together that would give it's members access to reduced healthcare for those that wish to buy it (there is strength in numbers for buying health care)

2) A lobby to provide a counter to all of the mis-information that is thrown towards sports supplements AND things like steroids. I don't support full legalization (mainly cuz it won't happen) but de-criminalization is certainly a good thing. Someone doing juice isn't anywhere near the cocaine and heroin addict and should be treated differently.

1) Hopefully reduced health care for both supplement company owners and individuals that wish to opt in...low cost health care is something everyone should have and I beleive that we could get an association together that would give it's members access to reduced healthcare for those that wish to buy it (there is strength in numbers for buying health care)

2) A lobby to provide a counter to all of the mis-information that is thrown towards sports supplements AND things like steroids. I don't support full legalization (mainly cuz it won't happen) but de-criminalization is certainly a good thing. Someone doing juice isn't anywhere near the cocaine and heroin addict and should be treated differently.

Just a thought...ideas?

I think a organization seperate from Pro sports is the answer.Freedom,safe and leave the feds outta the loop.