I dont understand how many people are ready to forfeit "hit and run" tactics just because they are troublesome ...Is zergs the only thing people really want these days?

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Exactly my reason for wanting some sort of capping ability for jump troops. I'm not going to practice until I can beat anyone in melee. I'm going to play jump troops so I can jump in and start grabbing an unprotected objective. The enemy gets a notification and sends people over there, possibly more because they assume there's more than one dude there. Then anyone on my side (or another enemy) can pour into the gap that just appeared in the defenses.

Then I jump out before it gets too hot and find another one. Or better yet, coordinate with people to hit three or four at once. Simulate a big invasion for people who don't have a visual on us because they see a ton of objectives being hit at once.

Exactly my reason for wanting some sort of capping ability for jump troops. I'm not going to practice until I can beat anyone in melee. I'm going to play jump troops so I can jump in and start grabbing an unprotected objective. The enemy gets a notification and sends people over there, possibly more because they assume there's more than one dude there. Then anyone on my side (or another enemy) can pour into the gap that just appeared in the defenses.

Then I jump out before it gets too hot and find another one. Or better yet, coordinate with people to hit three or four at once. Simulate a big invasion for people who don't have a visual on us because they see a ton of objectives being hit at once.

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in that case tell me a reason to not use an assault troops during a siege.

Jump troops wouldn't be feasible for actually taking objectives. Other class are there for when all the tacticals get murdered because they're the main objective grabber. Or for stuff like hit and run, which happens to be integral to Eldar warfare.

Jump troops wouldn't be feasible for actually taking objectives. Other class are there for when all the tacticals get murdered because they're the main objective grabber. Or for stuff like hit and run, which happens to be integral to Eldar warfare.

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they only need to enter jump over wall capture empty base and run away if they find resistance: other faction don't wait inside base for defend.
why wasting time in destroy wall if you can jump over?

they only need to enter jump over wall capture empty base and run away if they find resistance: other faction don't wait inside base for defend.
why wasting time in destroy wall if you can jump over?

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Maybe you're not getting what I'm trying to say here.

I mean other classes should be able to get objectives but at a slower rate. Like 100% slower or something. If a wall is low enough for a jump pack then it's meant to be jumped over. If people don't like that then they should actually defend their bases.

I'd be all for jump troops being able to infiltrate bases if there's a high enough point to let them jump over the wall. That would make recon necessary because I'm not about to jump into a base that might be full of trigger happy enemies.

I'm pretty much advocating for more creative warfare instead of tacticals being tactical assault being assaulty and heavy support blowing things up. That gets old. I want an assault that can be tactical in the right situation, or a devastator. Swooping Hawks are all about running in then running out. It's kind of their thing. Assault marine have a lot of hang time. That dude coming up over a wall will get blasted down in a second.

I thought I would explain a bit of our perspective on the level design team, and the reason I was personally happy to support this change.

This new rule allows us to create much more interesting vertical gameplay spaces for jump-capable classes, without having to worry about creating arbitrary blockages or limitations in the geometry of an outpost to specifically prevent ghost/back capping.

The result will be an increase in the freedom of movement for jump classes. This will ultimately reinforce their role: displacing / rooting out defenders. Their strongest asset (mobility) can now be fully supported by the environment.

I mean other classes should be able to get objectives but at a slower rate. Like 100% slower or something. If a wall is low enough for a jump pack then it's meant to be jumped over. If people don't like that then they should actually defend their bases.

I'd be all for jump troops being able to infiltrate bases if there's a high enough point to let them jump over the wall. That would make recon necessary because I'm not about to jump into a base that might be full of trigger happy enemies.

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Right BUT again, the way to capture a point is to go THROUGH the wall/door/gate and over/around obstacles.

Airborne Assault troops are meant to get behind the walls and cause a distraction, infiltrate weak player defenses, rain down grenades, take out Heavies and Tacticals who are sniping their forces etc. Infact that's unique to that archetype.

But that's not affected by the Tactical being the sole cap class. All that does is lock in a unique archetype role for the Tactical class.

I'm pretty much advocating for more creative warfare instead of tacticals being tactical assault being assaulty and heavy support blowing things up. That gets old. I want an assault that can be tactical in the right situation, or a devastator.

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That's not going to happen, this game is all about archetypes and overlap as has been constantly stated. Your class, or rather your sub-class (defined by wargear) has a specific job to do and isn't intended to be flexible. They want our teams to rely on other classes

I like the idea and support it 100%,since this game is supposed to be a tactical shooter...tactics are not only about yelling over VoIP and trying to make a zerg look like an actual military formation...asset management is at the core of tactics.

Devastators covering assaults while they breach, then tacticals filling the breach behind the assaults, providing close support and finally everyone providing cover while tacticals are capturing...that sounds about right...