All of this, from the UK Dossier to State Dept to Ukraine to Papadupus (Page twin?) drinking with Aussie AMB in a pub (sounds like an old “Man From U.N.C.L.E.” script), to the supposedly secret sauce on Trump that Maestro Mueller may pull like a “rabbit out of the hat” at the last moment for climax,…yes, it is as goofy as a CIA operation overseas.

Some of these perpetrators have been arrested and interrogated and then sent back so the people who partnered with them in crime will be worried about them ratting to get a lesser sentence. The good guys are wise and have the high ground. Page is sunk and justice will be served.

From what I read, before 2016, the FBI used Carter Page as an under cover informant to gather evidence for a case against Russians on a crime.

Aside: I thought that the FBI was supposed to be USA only, and the CIA was supposed to be External USA only. [Like the UK’s MI-5 and MI-6.]

Back to the FBI obtaining a Title 1 warrant against Carter Page: After Carter Page had completed his (at the time) undisclosed service to the FBI, the FBI flipped that undercover work for the FBI to be evidence that Carter Page was an undeclared Foreign Agent for the Russians, because the FBI had proof that Carter Page was involved with Russians [BECAUSE PAGE HAD INFILTRATED THE RUSSIANS ON THE BEHALF OF THE FBI!]

So, the FBI used Carter Page as a non-official informant against the Russians, then used that as “evidence” of Carter Page being a Russian Agent, to get the FISA Court to grant the Title 1 warrant, which would grant the maximum scope of capture of ANYONE who had email, phone, or even lunch contact with Carter Page. Title 1 allowed the Obama Administration to capture all emails and phone calls from [anyone that had communicated with Carter Page], and their communications with anyone else, regardless of their 4th Amendment Rights. That would capture all of the Trump team’s actions, and their (now not private) communications with their family and friends.

I think that Carter Page has grounds to sue the FBI for Libel, and maybe even rape.

I cannot thank you enough for everything you are doing to ensure the TRUTH gets out about the “Criminal” abuses by the previous administration. Millions of Americans are grateful to you. I know @realDonaldTrump thinks the world of you. You will be an incredible President one day!

And of Portuguese descent. Independent salt of the earth explorers. Never more proud than visiting there many years ago and seeing the wonderful people. Capo San Vincente!

On the other hand, many love to live from cafe to lunch to dinner, but they did toss out the Nazis by using gypsies to squat in the mansions the generals took over, and were too lazy (romantic?) for Communism to take hold!!!!!!

The goal of the Schiff Memo was to create a scenario in which the Dems could play victim when Trump “refused” to release it. That’s done and over with.

However, needing to prevent a “The Dems won’t even release their memo” talking point but knowing that releasing the memo will expose the charade, the Dems chose to dump it during a lull in the news cycle.

Likely we’re both right: dumping the memo during a period of low attention allows the corporate media to spin it a free environment.

Every single Sunday talking head propaganda hour will aggressively use the sh** memo to discredit the Nunes memo. Everything the Dems release is always regurgitated as if it’s true. So the purpose of the dem memo is not to be true, but to provide fodder for the enemedia to claim that the repub memo is not true.

That is absolutely correct. I have all Spanish in-laws (both sets of grandparents from Cantabria & Asturias in northern Spain) and they all spoke with the soft, almost lisp of many consonants (but they had no lisp in English).

Like most isolated populations, the Hispanics in the New World don’t lisp because they left Spain before the language was debased. A similar phenomenon occurred with the “h” in English (also due to a king with a speech impediment).

As an aside, linguists study the rural communities in northern New Mexico to learn how Spanish was spoken at the time of the conquistadors.

I am always intrigued by the accented American English spoken by the children of many immigrants. My great uncle sounded like an immigrant himself, but he was born and raised here.His English was learned from Norwegians so he learned it with an accent. My sister in law, born and raised in CO, had the most delightful sing song quality to her English that seemed to have carried over from the Spanish spoken by her immigrant parents. And don’t get me started on my adorable niece and nephew, whose native twang has little flourishes from the English dad.

California was founded with the help of Spanish ancestry…Vallejo has one of the first State Senators. They decided to secede from Spainish and Mexican control. That may be the background to the Nunez family…lot of pride for sure, in building America.

Tony, to quote a great one “There you go again” correcting everybody’s Spinglish. Sorry but this time you are not correct. Devin is of Portuguese decent, Portuguese spelling is Nunes.

Anyway Sh!tforbrains had to release his memo. He went all in when he challenged PDJT to release/redact the totally classified memo the first time. Timing was to get minimum coverage until Sunday circus can put together the narrative they want. Timing could also fit the lost narrative on Parkland Shooting.

Schiff Memo just released. The reality remains that FBI/DOJ went to secret ct w/secret docs for a secret warrant to spy on a U.S. citizen relying on an unverified dossier w/out disclosing that DNC/Clinton campaign paid for it & source was unreliable & about to get fired.

And the lefties are out in force on his TL for that tweet, calling him a liar and ignorant. Asking if he read the memo. I wonder what universe they live in…THEY obviously didn’t read the memo or lack ability to comprehend Nunes’ rebuttal.

We now have both sides on record describing, in their words, the evidence and what is says.
The case is now at-issue, its time for a trial, or, in this case, the Inspector General’s report.
Trials to follow.

The only thing that will slow the Dems shills, is when some of their heroes are arrested. Even then, they’ll say the President is arresting people for political reasons – that’s why everything has to be carefully investigated, and the IG report published – then all the facts will be shared with the public. Maybe a few will acknowledge the truth, or not.

When I saw this clown I immediately checked to see who he was. He’s a Harvard law grad who went to Iraq in ’07 as part of JAG. He was awarded a Bronze Star. HOW THE HELL DOES AN ARMY LAWYER EARN A BRONZE STAR!!!

Just Egg McMuffin level Deep State scum! May he burn in hell with the rest of them!

Lurking lawyer here. IMO Nunes response is powerful and correct, but far too complicated and too long for the public opinion jury.
The best political response to Schiff’s political countermemo should be just three simple and irrefutable (black and white, no greyscale) points:
1. Papadapoulis has NOTHING fo do with a FISA warrant application on Page. Irrelevant.
2. McCabe said in sworn Congressional testimony that the FISA Page warrant would NOT have issued absent the Steele dossier.
3. Comey said in sworn congressional testimony that the Steele dossier (paid for by Clinton and DNC) was salacious AND unverified. Unverified violates FISA law.
Point, game, set, match via the well known KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid).

Response to ristvan (the lurking lawyer) – Agree totally with your post. Nunes should have you on his staff. Especially like point three, Comey says the Dossier was unverified – this violates FISA law PERIOD.

I thought the Nunes response was just fine. He had to undermine a lot of squishy Dem hogwash in the Schiff memo, and that can’t be done with just a few simple verbal sound bites. First that had to be done. That’s the body mass shot. Then one can proceed as a backup to the finishing head-shot of your facts. Or one can start with your shots. But Schiff’s words still have to be dealt with.

I don’t think the masses are the GOP committee members’ intended audience at this time. While it is true the document is lengthy and complex, its value is tactical in a sense. The political and media idiots who follow Adam Schiff around like a pack of butt-sniffing dogs will not miss the obvious message; we aren’t the GOP cowards you’ve been accustomed to.

Look at the optics too. Which is most believable? Schiff’s sloppily-worded, poorly-formatted and heavily-redacted work of fiction? Or the crisp, orderly, and clean point-by-point refutation of Schiff’s misleading and false statements? It’s game on. And so far, the dems continue to be losers.

Don’t FISA foreign agent warrants also require probable cause for an imminent crime too which makes all the above mute in that there was none? What’s it going to take to get this warrant and everything derived from it overturned?

Good point. Need something different, better. That’s been the problem with all this from the beginning — the details are hard to follow for most people and it ends up sounding like another partisan skirmish. Nunez’s responses were fine but now it looks like a debating society instead of the exposure of a gross Constitutional depredation.

This is what happens when there are no criminal charges and everything just keeps going through Congressional spin cycles. The impact, outrage and momentum of the Republican memo is lost.

“Russians had no compromising information on Donald Trump” @FoxNews Of course not, because there is none, and never was. This whole Witch Hunt is an illegal disgrace…and Obama did nothing about Russia!

Can’t DJT as POTUS do something about the Witch Hunt? Like declassify some of the underlying documents. POTUS has full classification/declassification authority. Disclosing “sources & methods” is pure hokum. The FBI/DOJ disclosed that Russian secure communications were intercepted & decrypted when they nailed Flynn for having a legitimate discussion with the Russian ambassador.

The gun control debate is in full swing and the Sunday shows are sure to be almost exclusively about that. Democrats seemingly still think they have the upper hand in that argument. The Schiff memo could conceivably take some of the steam away.

And the memo itself has no major bombshells (though there is an admission, redacted, that there was an open investigation into some number of Trump campaign officials. I seem to remember Comey testifying otherwise.

So it has to be timed to blunt *something*, right? An unscheduled Saturday night release of something they touted as THE counterargument to the Nunes memo? Makes no sense.

Released on a Saturday because it is an embarrassment to the dems. Nobody will pay attention. Then next week, the MSM can discuss it like it actually supported Schiff’s position, and no one will know any better. (other than us, of course).

Can I just say: in case any of you have been suckered back to National Review because a couple of them are sick enough of the outrageous lies and despicable abuse of power that the Dems unleashed on Trump to actually come somewhat to his defense: Fox is letting David French spew a spirited defense of Schiff’s memo. Ugh. I hate those guys. I really do. I expect the Dems to be despicable pustules, but to have so-called Repubs be such backstabbing pieces of crap like they are enrages me.

Yes, first Fox interviewed Judith Miller and then David French. Clearly the talking points have gone out that it is a disgrace that the House Committee has been politicized and that what is really important is that the Russians meddled in the election. This will morph into the FBI and DOJ had no choice but to investigate blah, blah, blah. I wish the Republicans could now show how the FISA warrant for Carter Page led to many other US citizens being spied upon and being unmasked. Unfortunately, I think the general public says ho – hum to just one guy being spied on by the FBI.

I know what you mean. I didn’t usually watch it much on the weekends, anyway, but during the campaign I started tuning in on the weekends and I grew so outraged I almost NEVER turn on FOX during the weekends.

This was hard because the memo is big news, so I did turn it on today for a few minutes, but quickly turned it off. I figured I could find out everything I need to know right here, and I was right.

and in having a RINO NeverTrumper say the Nunez memo is flawed/the Schiff is golden guarantees that will be the meme narrative for weeks to come. the sheeple will take the Dem talking points that French lauded as gospel because the MSM will spin it as “according to Conservative Republican writer French…”

Thank you Sundance for your insights into the tragedy in Florida and your continuing efforts to put the downright scary story of our government in action.

I am shocked that the only thing we hear in the news is the Mueller investigation and Trump “collusion” (whatever that is). In all honesty I cannot understand why there even is a Mueller investigation. It is perfectly clear that the only real investigations should be centered around HRC, the Obama cabal, DOJ/FBI and MUELLER.

MSM is duping the average American and leading us down a dangerous path, imagine if this is our new normal.

The Democrat memo response on government surveillance abuses is a total political and legal BUST. Just confirms all of the terrible things that were done. SO ILLEGAL!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 24, 2018
Dem Memo: FBI did not disclose who the clients were – the Clinton Campaign and the DNC. Wow!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 24, 2018
“Russians had no compromising information on Donald Trump” @FoxNews Of course not, because there is none, and never was. This whole Witch Hunt is an illegal disgrace…and Obama did nothing about Russia!

Demonrat Adam shifty eyes Schiff is at it again. Old Adam can’t help but try to make up Schiff. He is trying to chase down Trump bear but keeps getting lost. Perhaps he is following Nancy’s crumb trail. The trail of deceit and lies. For he is after all a crazed demonrat. Shifty eyes can’t seem to trap trumpy bear and his band of truth seekers. Well you have to give Schiff credit for trying dumb ass.

THE DOSSIER AND FISA CRIMES. . . .
Where Committed to provide cover for the above ruling on 4th amendment violations against Trump people. THAT’S NOT AN OPINION. Those 99 pages are a court conclusion. And the SWAMP needed a defense against it after the election of HILLARY. The insurance policy text was about THIS COVER UP as insurance , The TAR MAC meeting was to find out what was needed for Lynch to bury the above ruling after Hillary won. AND GETTING A FOREIGN SPY WARRANT is the only action you could argue justified the above court ruling. Additionally Page , Trump and Russia would have been nailed to the wall and war would have broken out domestically as well as internationally.

Its as if we all KNOW our government is corrupt. BUT ARE UNABLE TO GRASP the depths of the corruption used against us in a Presidential election. This FISA WARRANT is a shinny bull sht ball of garbage and should NOT be the focus of Attention .

WHAT I HAVE BEEN POSTING INCLUDING THE MUELLER INFORMATION IS WHAT GOT ME BOOTED FROM TWITTER. .

Yes. This is why Swamp vipers used Armed Services Chairman Super Viper McCain and his sidekick Kramer. Gives the dossier cover for “foreign intelligence” because Kramer flew overseas to collect some form of the Steele Dossier and deliver the documents to Super Viper McCain. SV McCain with a dirty heart and filthy hands via, Comey/FBI, supplies the Foreign Survellience Court cover for “foreign spying/wiretapping” of the Trump campaign.

Yes. This is why Swamp vipers used Armed Services Chairman Super Viper McCain and his sidekick Kramer. Gives the dossier cover for “foreign intelligence” because Kramer flew overseas to collect some form of the Steele Dossier and deliver the documents to Super Viper McCain. SV McCain with a dirty heart and filthy hands, via Comey/FBI, supplies the Foreign Survellience Court cover for “foreign spying/wiretapping” of the Tvrump campaign and previous illegal searches starting in 2015??

Would the FISA application, if submitted to the FISC today, obtain a warrant? If not, then all of the product that derived from the original–and now deemed insufficient–application would have to be destroyed and never allowed as evidence in any future proceeding.

Nunes probably should have because schiff for brains plays on the stupidity of the general public. The Title 1 warrant on Page means that anyone he came in contact with, about anything, would then be subject to the same surveillance.

Retroactively as well. That means the application occuring after Page left the campaign is irrelevant, it opened the door to spying on Trump and the entire campaign. Which includes searching The Book of Death* the NSA has built of our entire digital footprints for anything that interested them years prior.

Maybe the strategy now is to focus on the illegality of deceiving the FISC via using illegal, fasle, unverified documentation with the FISA application and not fosusing on the Trump aspect. In a court trial, they’ll get hung based on their criminal deceptive actions against the Court regardless of whom was spied upon. Then it takes the emotional political aspect out of the issue and any trial.

Nunes, Goodlatte, and Grasdley all have separate investigations going on. Each has their part in teasing out each twisted thread and dangling it before the American public in a fashion that will educate and awaken the non-comatose. The party gets rocking when Horowitz, the DOJ IG releases his report. Things will move mich quicker then as it all unravels and exposes the corruption that is all things Left.

Even saying that the dossier was paid for by Clinton, the DNC and the FBI is wrong. Let’s not forget that the Clinton campaign took over the DNC during the campaign because the DNC was out of money. This all came out in the email released. So this financing came from the Clinton campaign and maybe the FBI.

The only issue I have with the DIM memo/GOP rebuttal is this: Image wise, the public still may believe we are behind by a score of 35 to 3. Therefore, while I applaud Nunes and Team for their rapid rebuttal, Mueller’s moves against Gates last week and against Manafort on Friday are an attempt to squeeze Manafort to cry uncle and even lie about VSGPDJT Russia collusion. Therefore, the impression of criminality surrounding the campaign remains (despite not being even remotely related). We need to score 4 or more times in the next quarter and create impactful news: The March 2018 IG Report reveals criminality and obstruction by FBI operatives; Nunes/Grassley/Goodlatte committees create criminal referrals; DOJ announces criminal prosecutions; Rosenstein/Mueller actions have them relieved of duties. Without these game-changing events, we MAY LOSE THE GAME. Yes, we are playing the long game, yes, this is 48D chess but c’mon. The time to overtake the other team is UPON us!

Wow – look at how far this story has developed. We now know (and is generally acknowledged) that Trump was the target of government spying (Comey caught in a lie by telling the President that he was not the target of the investigation) with a FISA title one warrant based upon an unverified (stated by Comey) Dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign. And, the crooked main stream media says “yeah so what”!
One question I still have, did Rosenstein support the firing of Comey because with Comey gone, Rosenstein can better play “both sides of the fence, being white and black hat”?

Re above – During discussion of the Susan Rice email to herself, I believe the reason Obama had for not sharing the Russia investigation with the Trump campaign was that Trump was under investigation about (the Russia stuff) based on the FISA Title one warrant (due to information picked up by the spying on Trump). Trump went from not being the initial target of the warrant but now being the target of the investigation. Susan Rice has now apparently come out and said that the reason for not sharing the Russia investigation with the Trump campaign was due to Flynn. Maybe she is trying to cover for the targeting of Trump.

Everyone who thinks they could be in trouble from this scandal is doing their best to distance their self from this dossier. News shows will not talk much more about it. They want to minimize it because it how important it is, with government officials misleading the Fisa judges, thinking it was not important to disclose who was responsible for the existence of the dossier, why important facts were not disclosed, The dossier is a big part of this scandal. It will be important to keep talking it up before it falls off the shelf.

This memo has some good stuff. It confirms WSJ story that four federal judges approved the applications, and RULES OUT FLYNN’S JUDGE! It says 1 Reagan appointee, 1 Bush Sr, and 2 W.
Two of the three DC judges are Obama appointees. So (at least) three times they went to a judge not in DC.
List of FISC judges,
Rosemary Collyer DC appointed by W
James Boasberg DC Obama
Rudolph Collyer DC Obama <—- FLYNN judge
Anne Conway FL HW
Raymond Dearie NY(E) Reagan
Claire Eagan OK W
James Jones, VA(W) Carter
Robert Kugler, NJ W started May 2017
Michael Mosman, OR W
Thomas Russell KY(W) Clinton
Dennis Saylor MA W

Raymond Dearie is the only Reagan appointee, though Martin Feldman from LA left on May 2017.
Anne Conway is the only HW appointee, who got senior status in 2015.
Robert Kugler started in May 2017 in place of Feldman.

They had to go for their warrants at least to Florida, and either NJ in July 2017 or if earlier as far as Western Kentucky.

I am enjoying a Saturday night glass of wine and basking in the pleasure of company of children and grandchildren. As a Californian, I want to express some pride in my state, since mostly everyone, including myself, criticizes it as Kalifornia.

Rep. Devin Gerald Nunes, absolutely necessary to President Trump’s administration, is a great Californian. A little Wikipedia:

“Devin Gerald Nunes (/ˈnuːnɛs/;[1] born October 1, 1973) is an American politician serving as the U.S. Representative for California’s 22nd congressional district since 2003. A Republican, he serves as chairman of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and was a member of President Trump’s transition team.[2] Nunes’s district, numbered as the 21st from 2003 to 2013, is in the San Joaquin Valley and includes most of western Tulare County and much of eastern Fresno County.”

There are many more of “us.” We have been buried in the communist attempted take-over — turn the most populated states first by any and all lying, criminal methods, including invasion by illegals.

Let us honor Rep. Nunes and hold out hope for one of he most beautiful states, California. I refuse to move. I am depending on President Trump and AG Sessions (who has already been most helpful) to return our state to both prosperity and sanity.

I know I’m repeating a theme but apart from the legality side of the Page warrant if you’re going to secretly surveil a suspected Russian agent wouldn’t you want to keep that surveillance secret?

Yet early on the FBI was leaking to the press about Page. If memory serves there was even an article blabbing about the FISA warrant. Even though Page and everyone around him knew early he was under surveillance they renew the warrant 3 more times?

Same with the investigation. Does the FBI usually nationally broadcast to suspects of nefarious activity they’re under investigation? What would be the purpose of that?

The FBI Trump/Russia investigation was a disinformation campaign existing for the sole purpose of disseminating lies from Hillary’s dossier to the media. It didn’t matter none of it was verified.

IF the DEMS could cease their vacuous, transparently unfounded and untrue resistance to the facts, they could, perhaps, gain a bit of respect. After all, they are supposed to be interested in the truth. Instead they make fools of themselves and give sensible people every reason to question why anyone would back a Democrat candidate. Why would you vote for anyone who defends criminals within our government?

The DEM Memo serves several purpose. At least one accomplishment is that it probably lists every single thing they could dream up as argumentation in defense of people who are clearly criminals. Since it does not contain even one valid claim, that is, since it is a work of fiction and is little more than a collection of lies posed as questions or defensive claims, it only weakens them. It is almost surprising that they could be so very stupid.

If what the Schiff memo is trying to make clear, “That it was just not the Steele dossier that started the ball rolling towards a FISA court application.”

Ok. Let take that at face value…
And, here it is what I came away with after reading the minority memo.

The FBI was looking into persons of interest that where seeking out HRC emails.

Now that is rich given the FBI, at the time(Jul2016) had just gone on the record with the “No reasonable prosecutor” yawn.
So…
A. If HRC emails DID NOT comprise this Nation, and the Russians have them. Then what the big deal is… Could it be the need to protect the fine name of FBI going forward, seeing they just certified a clean bill of health on HRC.

OR

B. If the HRC emails DID comprise this Nation and the Russians have them, the big deal is… Could be the need to protect the Nation at all costs. Which brings us full circle back to HRC and why she is not in prison.

Look Adam…
A. You obviously don’t to have smart people around you… to think this stuff through.

or

B. Then again, maybe you did think it through… Does HRC know you threw her under the bus with your memo.

Second, just love the assertion that the DOJ informed the FISA court about the Steele Dossier, because if that is the case with the language used to inform the court that the true political context of the FISA applicantion was revealed is like saying, “‘Person A’ was exposed to the efforts of ‘Entity Zero’ to compromise ‘Trusted Third Party’.” Language like that tells you nothing.

Third, much of the Schiff memo is built around self serving opinions that are only true in the context of an alternative reality. A reality they themselves are on the record(numerous times) as saying are unconnected to the Meuller Investigation BUT are now seeking connect to misdirect attention from the weight of evidence against the Obama Adminstration, DNC and HRC.

The DOJ and, subsequently, the FBI need to be cleaned out, specifically 1) wrongdoers brought to justice and removed from government; and 2) establishment of policies to ensure this never happens again – I would start with reversing Obama’s change to allow many individuals access to unmasked citizens. It is absolutely absurd the legislative branch of the government has to investigate crimes d/t the corruption of the DOJ-FBI complex and any other top tier officials at the other executive branch agencies. The IG report will not be enough – a special counsel is required and a grand jury must be empaneled to ensure people are held accountability for these crimes.