No, they are consistently in the top echelons of the league, are used to winning and for the most part have squad depths that eclipse other teams. You know very well the comment on luck referred to the luck of the draw which for teams like us, in our current incarnation, is crucial to getting anywhere near winning a trophy. Look what happened when we came up against our first real tests in those cup runs - ended

A good performance in the cup can mask absolute shite in the league can't it? I.m in a whatsapp group with about 5 kopites, a latics fan and someone who claims to be neutral but if pushed would say liverpool or wigan and I had a big discussion about how martinez is a shit manager. Now I'm sure most of them were on the wind up but the latics fan was adamant martinez was highly rated and a good manager.

My analogy was the league is your cake, the main bit, this has to be be big and tasty. Any cup success is the icing or maybe just the cherry on top. He weren't having it.

Martinez produced a great cake in the first season, followed by nothing in 2nd season and decent but not great icing on it's own in the 3rd

Good football teams win games, regularly, in whatever competition they are in. It's why the cups are usually won by teams in the top 6. Playing good football becomes a habit and winning games tends to follow.

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