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*fears noddy*
That's amazing display of highlevel detectiveness
I'm sure Rena would have been proud of you
I wonder what all of this could mean....uuuhh the plot thickens*also fears all the conspiracies*
But I still fear Rena even more

Well well well. It seems some interesting theories have begun to develop after reading through every post in this thread. Other than what has already been said, the only thing that I have to add to this conversation is this.

Soley based on the hints given to us by those who have played the game, i'm almost 99% sure that Rena and Mion were innocent. I've heard several times that once you start getting more and more answers, that this chapter becomes more of a tragedy than a murder mystery. This leads me to believe that someone outside the group of friend's is the one pulling the strings. If you believe in the drug/disease/government conspiracy theory, then it's quite possible that Mion and Rena we're trying to help Keichi from the beggining of it all but he had fallen into such a state of dementia that his paranoia led him to suspect them as the ones out to get him. Ultimately, he ends up killing the only people who could've helped him and taking his own life.

As to the "trigger point" that brought him down that road..... I honestly have no clue.

As to the "trigger point" that brought him down that road..... I honestly have no clue.

Probably the needle in the rice ball. Everything was downhill from there.
I'm pretty favorable to the external influence idea for many more reason outside this arch, but one thing doesn't make sense if that's the case, and that's Rena's ginormous cleaver. Unless she lives in a butcher shop or something, I can't see why she'd have something like in her posession
Not saying you're wrong. I think you're right, but this little issue is still a bit of a snag for the theory.

I don't think Rena was carrying a cleaver in that scene, K1 was just seeing things. I think that since Rena had already scarred him before with the cleaver that his paranoid dilusional mind put it there (maybe its really just a school bag or something).

In that scene Rena was trying her hardest to help K1. If you take away all the weird and distorted camera shots and the creepy voice and just pay attention to the dialogue, it seems really normal.

Also, the needle scene was a symptom of K1's insanity, not a cause. There was no needle. With the (also distorted) dialogue he just had with the girls before, he was expecting something like that

1) He manages to find the needle in one small bite.
2) There's no blood.
3) It is gone when Ooshi asks for it as evidence.

Though, it is true it is the first scene that he is completely bonkers.

Just watched this arc.
It's obvious that the cop Oishi is the main criminal who with the help of some friends drives Keichi into panic/madness and makes him go on a killing spree.
The main evidence is the way he keeps supplying Keichi with more and more
scary bits of desinformation. I wonder hom much of his story was a lie...
From what I've read in this thread, he might have used some drugs too.
He can easily remove evidence from the scene of crime.
Motivation - we've been shown that he has some past with Mion (she was saying "I should've killed him", etc.) so this all was to remove former accomplices.

...If only Keichi had the presense of mind to understand that his friends never had a reason to kill him to begin with - he doesn't know anything that the cop doesn't know!, to understand that he was being used.

I really don't get what happened from the "punishment game" to the part where Keiichi died. Mion was holding a syringe, and held his arm out to inject that mystery drug into him. So obviously they weren't going to paint his face and he 'imagined' a syringe instead of a paintbrush, otherwise why would she hold his arm out.

Also, did Mion even inject that stuff inside him? I'm not even sure if he even got free, because Rena was holding him down, and he did try to get free but she was obviously holding him down with ease. So how could he break free and get his bat at the moment when he was going to be (or was) injected with the drug?

A few more questions, if you can answer them...

What the heck was in the syringe? I really think that it played a large role in Keiichi's death. After all, he remembered a dead suspect who died of a mystery drug right before Mion injected (or was going to inject) that stuff into him. I really don't think it's a coincidence that both Keiichi and that suspect died of the same drug. So, what was in it? Obviously not water, because if it was, he wouldn't have groped his throat causing that so-called suicide.

What the heck were those guys in the green suits doing there? Why did he get knocked out and then handed over to Rena and Mion? And that leads me to my final questions, why didn't Rena and Mion just inject that stuff into him while he was lying there asleep after he took that bat to the head? Wouldn't that have been much easier than to wait until he wakes up and then do it while he's struggling? Also, what were Mion's and Rena's true intentions when they did what they did (or try to do) to Keiichi? Why did they want him to be injected with that drug? It seams to me that there is some sort of demon involved, and it controls the people of the village without their knowledge, and they have no memory of it...Where as Keiichi is the victim, and the Cop is just trying to find out who's behind the murders.

I'll not answer all, but you just started Higurashi now or you already watched Higurashi + Higurashi Kai and you're just asking? Because, if you started now, it's no good if people explain this things to you XD

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Originally Posted by tukun2

Ok so here's what I don't get...Can somebody PLEASE answer it?

Spoiler for events of episode 4:

So obviously they weren't going to paint his face and he 'imagined' a syringe instead of a paintbrush, otherwise why would she hold his arm out.

I really don't get what happened from the "punishment game" to the part where Keiichi died. Mion was holding a syringe, and held his arm out to inject that mystery drug into him. So obviously they weren't going to paint his face and he 'imagined' a syringe instead of a paintbrush, otherwise why would she hold his arm out.

Also, did Mion even inject that stuff inside him? I'm not even sure if he even got free, because Rena was holding him down, and he did try to get free but she was obviously holding him down with ease. So how could he break free and get his bat at the moment when he was going to be (or was) injected with the drug?

A few more questions, if you can answer them...

What the heck was in the syringe? I really think that it played a large role in Keiichi's death. After all, he remembered a dead suspect who died of a mystery drug right before Mion injected (or was going to inject) that stuff into him. I really don't think it's a coincidence that both Keiichi and that suspect died of the same drug. So, what was in it? Obviously not water, because if it was, he wouldn't have groped his throat causing that so-called suicide.

What the heck were those guys in the green suits doing there? Why did he get knocked out and then handed over to Rena and Mion? And that leads me to my final questions, why didn't Rena and Mion just inject that stuff into him while he was lying there asleep after he took that bat to the head? Wouldn't that have been much easier than to wait until he wakes up and then do it while he's struggling? Also, what were Mion's and Rena's true intentions when they did what they did (or try to do) to Keiichi? Why did they want him to be injected with that drug? It seams to me that there is some sort of demon involved, and it controls the people of the village without their knowledge, and they have no memory of it...Where as Keiichi is the victim, and the Cop is just trying to find out who's behind the murders.

As of yet, all of your assumptions are wrong, save for one. Furthermore, if you think the ending of episode 4 was confusing, wait until the first 2 minutes of episode 5.

[QUOTE=Dante of the Inferno;1715152]As of yet, all of your assumptions are wrong, save for one. Furthermore, if you think the ending of episode 4 was confusing, wait until the first 2 minutes of episode 5.