Today as i was sleeping i became suddenly totally conscious and began to rise on the ceiling feeling a strange energy...

I instantly tried to see details of the room and my vision was amazingly crystal clear.

I passed through the walls and succeed to transfer towards 2 differents locations.

I will never forget this experience. Overwhelming. (I must add this experience can not be compared with Phasing in my opinion because it was just sooooooo real contrary to phasing where my vision is way poorer and darker and so fleeting...)

Now question: considering i was totally conscious i was sleeping (i was aware i was snoring all OBE long !!) during the entire experience. considering i visited 2 locations which were cloth but not accurate at all with the physical world (some elements and decorum in the houses was added and the size of the surface of the house was not accurate as well) considering the place in my OBE where i first "rose" till the ceiling was not the same place at all i was sleeping in but an imaginated place...

... Do you consider guys i experienced an OBE or not ? (If yes what was it ? RTZ ? F2 ? Any opinions ?... Sorry Xanth i know you dont use this map but i just ask in case someone use this grid...)

I must add this experience can not be compared with Phasing in my opinion because it was just sooooooo real contrary to phasing where my vision is way poorer and darker and so fleeting

I feel compelled to mention here that certain techniques suit certain individuals. While you might not have a good experience with phasing, I certainly find phasing to be the most useful way to project. Also, from your description it does sound that you projected successfully. Congratulations

I do had very good experiences with Phasing. (i only practice for two weeks) And i have very good reasons to think i succeed to project several times.

But Phasing in my opinion require maybe more skill or experience to really understand whats you are experiencing whereas OBE is like a plain and simple Big Slap on your face when it happens...easy business...

I have the wrong or true intuition you can, with more experience in Phasing, initiates experiences as vivid and intense as OBE delivers. To be continued...

Now question: considering i was totally conscious i was sleeping (i was aware i was snoring all OBE long !!) during the entire experience. considering i visited 2 locations which were cloth but not accurate at all with the physical world (some elements and decorum in the houses was added and the size of the surface of the house was not accurate as well) considering the place in my OBE where i first "rose" till the ceiling was not the same place at all i was sleeping in but an imaginated place...

... Do you consider guys i experienced an OBE or not ? (If yes what was it ? RTZ ? F2 ? Any opinions ?... Sorry Xanth i know you dont use this map but i just ask in case someone use this grid...)

Sounds like the Rtz.The Rtz is usually down to most details the same, some minor details are usually what slips by, where you know "where" you are if there was a where but usually the details are small so they don't usually make much difference.My room the window is far larger than normal and has no curtains in the rtz but its in the same place as the physical, some times there might be door where the window is instead as an extreme difference. Out in the yard the trees are a bit smaller and they yard has a feeling where it is bigger than it is in the physical. And the house itself has a more wood cottage look instead of its modern look but its shape where all doors, windows, and fire place are are all the same, Just some minor differences. My grand mothers house the ceiling is much lower in the Rtz and since she has some ceiling fans its always a trip ending up there.

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Sounds like the Rtz.The Rtz is usually down to most details the same, some minor details are usually what slips by, where you know "where" you are if there was a where but usually the details are small so they don't usually make much difference.My room the window is far larger than normal and has no curtains in the rtz but its in the same place as the physical, some times there might be door where the window is instead as an extreme difference. Out in the yard the trees are a bit smaller and they yard has a feeling where it is bigger than it is in the physical. And the house itself has a more wood cottage look instead of its modern look but its shape where all doors, windows, and fire place are are all the same, Just some minor differences. My grand mothers house the ceiling is much lower in the Rtz and since she has some ceiling fans its always a trip ending up there.

Okay thanks a lot, very interesting.

The room where i lift off at the beginning of the OBE i cannot identify but after passing thrue the wall and decide to travel to another friend's location i clearly recognised his place but for example his narrow and long corridor transform itself in a very weird large "disney world fantasy decorum room"....? (i must add his narrow corridor his decorated in a very fantasy manner with a giant cartoon like picture though..)

Same at the end of the OBE when i felt i had to come back to my body, i ended in a very large unknown dormitory... But when i think about it, living in a very large house with 15 persons who was sleeping at the same time i was experiencing the OBE maybe it was a representation of it ?... ( anyway i saw a body and thought it was mine, so as i was approaching to the face, i was preparing to be shocked to see my face as numerous testimonies report but instead i see a blond girl face who was crying...? (i am a boy... and never cry hehe)

Today as i was sleeping i became suddenly totally conscious and began to rise on the ceiling feeling a strange energy...

I instantly tried to see details of the room and my vision was amazingly crystal clear.

I passed through the walls and succeed to transfer towards 2 differents locations.

I will never forget this experience. Overwhelming. (I must add this experience can not be compared with Phasing in my opinion because it was just sooooooo real contrary to phasing where my vision is way poorer and darker and so fleeting...)

There are many "different" labels people use to describe their experiences.

PhasingOBEAstral ProjectionLucid DreamWBTBetc...

But they don't describe what people THINK they describe. Most people think that they describe the experience they have. They think that because they "left their body" and experienced their bedroom that they had an OBE. Or that they felt a shift and found themselves in some different place they didn't recognize, so they had an Astral Projection or Phasing.

While that's simply not the case. Those terms I listed above only describe one thing: How you ENTERED the non-physical. That's all.After you ENTER they non-physical, they all end up leading to the same kind of experience. How you perceive that experience is all that will differ.

In your case, you became aware while already sleeping. Most people would just brush this off and simply call it a dream or a lucid dream... or even worse, a dream of a lucid dream (*sigh*)... LoL Thankfully, you've at least identified it as what it is: a consciously aware projection.

There are many "different" labels people use to describe their experiences.

PhasingOBEAstral ProjectionLucid DreamWBTBetc...

But they don't describe what people THINK they describe. Most people think that they describe the experience they have. They think that because they "left their body" and experienced their bedroom that they had an OBE. Or that they felt a shift and found themselves in some different place they didn't recognize, so they had an Astral Projection or Phasing.

While that's simply not the case. Those terms I listed above only describe one thing: How you ENTERED the non-physical. That's all.After you ENTER they non-physical, they all end up leading to the same kind of experience. How you perceive that experience is all that will differ.

In your case, you became aware while already sleeping. Most people would just brush this off and simply call it a dream or a lucid dream... or even worse, a dream of a lucid dream (*sigh*)... LoL Thankfully, you've at least identified it as what it is: a consciously aware projection.

I think you probably right on all this i agree.

The thing for now is my experience with Phasing has been way less clearer and obvious and to be honest almost incomparable with my OBE experience. Need to dig more i suppose and i will don't worry

In your case, you became aware while already sleeping. Most people would just brush this off and simply call it a dream or a lucid dream... or even worse, a dream of a lucid dream (*sigh*)... LoL

Ummm.............that's happened to me several times. Its hard to put into words. Recently, I dreamed I was going into a building with some other people. Somehow, I became aware it was a dream. I remember thinking "wow this is all going on inside my head" and testing things to see how solid they were, etc. It got really weird from there, with a woman morphing into a werewolf and chasing me. The thing is, to me it wasn't a lucid dream. I had no control or notion of it. My consciousness was still completely dreamlike and not like fully aware waking consciousness at all even though somehow I knew I was dreaming. So how does one build on that?

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Ummm.............that's happened to me several times. Its hard to put into words. Recently, I dreamed I was going into a building with some other people. Somehow, I became aware it was a dream. I remember thinking "wow this is all going on inside my head" and testing things to see how solid they were, etc. It got really weird from there, with a woman morphing into a werewolf and chasing me. The thing is, to me it wasn't a lucid dream. I had no control or notion of it. My consciousness was still completely dreamlike and not like fully aware waking consciousness at all even though somehow I knew I was dreaming. So how does one build on that?

Good question. Many of us have come to realize that events such as the one you describe are tests. Not only that but informative as well. Now you know it is possible to be aware and bring that awareness back with you so the question for you is how far do you want to go? You can build on that experience with practice, patients and intent, if you want. It's up to you and there are many threads on this forum that will help you. I suggest simply paying attention to your dreams and noting what happens. Write it down, even if you just use trigger words, it will help you boost your dream recall.

I am facing a probably very common problem - i'm in vacation far from my very confortable reclined chair i used to sit in to perform Phasing and OBE and now that i am in a new surrounding, i lost my marks, my concentration and feeling to perform...

You've created a self-imposed limitation for yourself. I'd suggest work on getting yourself accustomed to practicing anywhere at anytime. Eventually you'll break the need for "routine".

If i would travel every week i could break the routine but i don't so it is easier to say it than doing it !

By the way, how many of those who are reading this have experienced OBE or Phasing AND have collected proofs of their "exit" ? (this question is not adressed to you Xanth as i know you do not encourage the quest of any proof hehe)

OBE to me is nothing more than taking a dream walk (awake or asleep). Many have done this but the terms are confusing. It is simply extending a part of your consciousness of being beyond your physical self, you are not really out of body.

This was a common thing for me when I was a child and I had many 'proofs'. One example was seeing my mother getting bitten by a spider which led to an emergency room visit. I was in school when she was bitten, she was home hanging the wash on the line. I saw it exactly as happened in the real time. Confirmed the moment I got home.

But, like Xanth, I no longer need proof. I do however understand that others do - at least until they learn to trust their own experiences.

I think we have to forget the laws of physics where we think that something (your spirit for example) must be moved from one place to another in order to be in that other surrounding and observe, interact, etc, and that it can only be in one place at a time.Well, the laws of physics the way scientists present them are false even when it comes to this reality, simply because there is so much on the invisible part that exist but we are simply not aware of it. Anything can exist in many levels simultaneously, experiencing different things. Like Nameless said, your consciousness can also extend and reach other parts of the world, universe, multiverse, etc. While our biological vehicles are functioning, parts of our spirits are integrated into them the way that it is impossible to leave an empty shell for example when you experience the NP. Although it may feel like you are separating during SP, this is a result of how our minds interpret such a refocus because this is how we have been thought to perceive our reality. We can't comprehend how our spirits can exist simultaneously in many realities and perceive each experiences independently. The multiverse is very complex, but I think if we understand this basic concept, it will be easier to explain our experiences.

I am a bit annoyed because i dont know how to reproduce my spontaneous OBE (from sleep and dreams) and phasing comparing to OBE is still for me very pale but maybe im too new to it ?

I tried the WBTB method but it is so demanding and can really trouble your sleep cycle as i experienced...And besides having a genuine rush of consciousness after WBTB technique i still did not succeed to achieve a beautiful OBE, except once which was blind and ultra short.

I forget to mention, sometimes during meditation i experience a very strange and scary feeling of mental collapse...

It lasts lets say 1 or 2 seconds and i am always so scared i end by interrupting the process by fear maybe or maybe because this collapse is supposed to be that short in his essence i dont know...

Anyone recongnise what im describing here or not ? ( i dont see images like a vision or a departure to astral or something, everythings black around me or without visual stimuli lets say but all collapse around me like a very strange slow but VERY POWERFUL drift or shift...)

I forget to mention, sometimes during meditation i experience a very strange and scary feeling of mental collapse...

It lasts lets say 1 or 2 seconds and i am always so scared i end by interrupting the process by fear maybe or maybe because this collapse is supposed to be that short in his essence i dont know...

Anyone recongnise what im describing here or not ? ( i dont see images like a vision or a departure to astral or something, everythings black around me or without visual stimuli lets say but all collapse around me like a very strange slow but VERY POWERFUL drift or shift...)

First, you are doing great!

It is a "mental collapse" but I would point to it in a slightly different way ... it is a "biological brain collapse" because the mind (which is different than than the biological brain) is awake while the body falls asleep and when we go out of body. Think of the mind as an eternal part of you ... and the biological brain as a temporary part of you. You can take your mind with you when you focus somewhere else (but not your brain).

When I get closer to exit, I have experienced all sorts of things intended to frighten me ... the sound of a gun firing across the street when I was targeting the outdoors for my exit, a loud pop near my dresser (e.g., last night) to distract me while I listened to binaural beats, an angry dog barking in our backyard (e.g., we do not currently have a dog) ... all intended to bring fear into my experience using false stuff ... and most likely created by my own brain.

Try some affirmations before you practice ... which impact your subconscious ...

I think that you are over analyzing and this is dis-orienting you from your experience. Here is your original statement that I have been responding to:

"I forget to mention, sometimes during meditation i experience a very strange and scary feeling of mental collapse...

It lasts lets say 1 or 2 seconds and i am always so scared i end by interrupting the process by fear maybe or maybe because this collapse is supposed to be that short in his essence i dont know... "

So, to summarize. You asked a question(s) here about your experience with fear and what it meant. This is what I initially responded to. In my response, I specifically offered several examples from my own experiences when my mental fears disrupted my transitioning to an OBE.

I am now stepping back from this conversation, because I think that you need some time to go back (on your own) and re-read our dialogue and my responses. I wish you well with your exploration.