Comments on: Video: Daniel Cleary elbows Scott Hannan in the head, sparks fighthttp://nhl.nbcsports.com/2014/01/10/video-daniel-cleary-elbows-scott-hannan-in-the-head-sparks-fight/
ProHockeyTalk on NBCSports.comFri, 09 Dec 2016 17:30:41 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: gandallkhttp://nhl.nbcsports.com/2014/01/10/video-daniel-cleary-elbows-scott-hannan-in-the-head-sparks-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-269363
Sat, 11 Jan 2014 04:52:36 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269363Verruckt.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:07:02 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269189No, just Couture. And Wingels. And of course Thornton. Well, anyway, at least Hannan didn’t really dive.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:40:40 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269174Winner winner, chicken wing dinner!
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:28:53 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269089As a wings fan, Im hoping Cleary gets a game. The guy is awful. Him and Samuelsson shouldnt even have a stall in the locker room.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:40:29 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269040Did I say it was a hockey play? When you’re playing between whistles all stuff happens, and there are a lot of moving parts. Most of the times you have react to something, and only that player can explain it. I’m not saying swinging a stick to someone’s head. Ex: Dupuis swing his stick and hit and broke Kelly’s leg. Was that intent? No! Or maybe it was. Only Dupuis can tell you for sure.

Here’s an example. Say a player checks an opposing player and the opposing player’s teammate goes after the player who inflicted the check to revenge his buddy and he’s dropped his gloves. The player doesn’t want to fight and hits the other player in the face with his stick causing a cut and blood. Where there is blood there is a penalty. This player is asked to speak with Shanny so he can assess what the player’s frame of mind was when his stick made contact with the instigator. The player explains to Shanny that his history shows he’s not a fighter and he had no desire to fight, and explained he raised his arms and stick to protect himself from the player coming after him with what he thought was clearly intent because the other player had dropped his gloves. He said he perceived danger as soon as the gloves were dropped because in the NHL when gloves drop it means a fight will ensue. At this point Shanny as no reason to think there was intent from the player who wanted to protect himself. However, the player who dropped his gloved clearly had intent to inflict injury and pain to this opponent, but he probably won’t get suspended because there is no rule in the book to suspend him for intent. The player who was challenged to a fight but didn’t may get suspended, but, it will be less games because the injury happened in the context of protecting himself as opposed to wanting to injure the other player.

There is a lot more to consider than what we know when it’s time to hand out a suspension, which is why so many criticize Shanny. Unless you played the game at a very competitive level there are things we cannot and may never understand.

The only thing the NHL is good at is inconsistency when it comes to it’s rulings. Based on that Cleary will get anywhere from no fine or suspension to 10 games because the fan, and more importantly the NHL has no idea what the ruling will be on a case by case basis.

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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:08:58 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269019The NHL has their criteria for instances like that, we as fans will have our own opinions .
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:07:24 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269017Dude, let me throw an elbow in your face like that and we’ll see how well you “sell it”. Hannan popped up right away because he is a tough SOB. Cleary will get fined and possibly suspended…and rightfully so.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:02:46 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269013moron.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:02:10 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269011Please don’t speak for me…the league is in big trouble? Please…
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:56:13 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-269003Watching the video his elbow comes up not as hockey play but to strike Hannan .Players know the results of their actions, Matt Cooke is an example of player changing his game, don’t think its by accident .
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:54:24 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268999look it was a dirty elbow. Hannan gets a game misconduct because of the rules. fine im ok with that. Shanny will look at both and decide who gets suspended. What I don’t get is people saying he dived or was acting. The man got a elbow to the face , got knocked down and jumped right back up. If he was going to act/dive he would have stayed on the ice holding his head for 5 min. Has any one of you people that said he dived walked into a door or a low branch etc etc, what happened ? you fall on your ass and go “ow” then while everyone that saw you is laughing you get up and say “ouch” now imagine that, except the branch is now a elbow and what do you get ?
yeah tired of all the sharks are divers bs”
that is all
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:40:13 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268989I get it. But! How do you prove intent?
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:39:34 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268988mickey, when the puck is dropped players are moving based on patterns they have practiced and are very focused on what’s happening at a very fast pace on the ice. They don’t here the crowd or those idiots you see pounding on the glass when players battle for the puck. You level of awareness solely focused on the task at hand. So, when an elbow goes up like that it’s not necessarily intent to injure. Do you seriously believe that Bertuzzi’s intent was to fracture three of Moore’s neck vertebraes, give him facial cuts and a concussion? C’mon!
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:39:03 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268986I was answering to your claim that he had to tell another player before, in order for it to be “intent”
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:31:51 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268975Intent to throw an elbow…. Yes! Intent to injure? Prove it! If that was intent then what about fights. According to your logic everytime a player throws a punch to someone’s head it should be intent to injure, therefore suspend-able. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. A lot of things happen during the course of active play that cannot be considered intent because things happen quickly.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:21:26 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268962Clearly knew the consequences of throwing his elbow to the head of Hannan so there is his intent ! He did not have to tell another player before he did it , that would be premeditated .
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:51:12 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268936There you go again throwing out your favorite three words; “intent to injure”. Intent to injure involves a conscious decision on the part of one party. If you can prove that Clearly told someone he would elbow Hannan as soon as he had a chance prior to the act, then you have intent. If you don’t have that then you don’t have intent.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:48:50 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268935I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hannan NOT get suspended here. The whole point of the instigator getting suspended for starting a fight less than 5 minutes to go in a game is to stop players from trying “send a message” for the next game. And this wasn’t one of those time. This was a guy standing up for himself.
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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:41:43 +0000http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2311563#comment-268931Agreed! It wasn’t an accidental elbow. Bad decision by Cleary, and I wish he would get suspended or at least a fine for a shot to the head regardless of injury or not. I too doubt it will happen.
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