[Fangs of the Father] - F.A.Q

So lately I've seen an inflation in topics concerning the most basic, already stated things concerning the daggers, so I thought I'd write up an F.A.Q about them, to help the people seeking for information actually find it faster than scouring through 34 pages on the original legendary thread.

Also, please read the entirety of this post before posting questions, just in case the answer you're looking for has already been answered in this post.

F.A.Q

0.00001. Right, so I have been looking around and got this question: Why is there no mutilate dmg increase? I mean, combat got Sinister Strike, and Sub got Revealing Strike. Is the fact that they're daggers a high enough boost for assassination that they don't need any dmg boost? Will the 3 specs be even with the daggers having a boost to combat and sub?

No, the LFR is excluded from all legendary content, including pickpocketing Hagara.

3. How long will it take to obtain the daggers?

According to my calculations, it should take around 7-9 weeks on 25man, and 14-17 weeks on 10man to obtain a pair of daggers.

4. But the legendaries are daggers! They're useless for combat!

Actually, no. The damage buff from the main hand dagger increases the damage done by your Sinister Strike and Revealing Strike by 45%. Making them useful for combat aswell.

5. Will the damage buff from the main hand also increase the buff given by Revealing Strike for your next finisher by 45% as well?

No, the damage buff is for the initial damage only.

6. But I'm a casual, I don't have access to a raiding guild, can I still obtain even the phase 1 daggers?

The first phase only requires the 4th boss to be pickpocketed, after that it's only solo content from there. So yes, anyone who can get to pickpocketing Hagara (in a PuG, not LFR), will be able to obtain at least the 1st phase of the daggers.

7. I'm getting less stacks in a 3-minute fight as combat as opposed to a lot more stacks as assassination, what's going on?

Blizzard seems to have balanced the proc rate around the specs, for example combats lower proc rate could prehaps be explained with Restless Blades.

8. Well what is the proc rate per spec then?

Assassination: 23.139% chance on white/yellow melee landing, no ICD.
Combat: 9.438% chance on white/yellow melee landing, no ICD.
Subtlety: 28.223% chance on white/yellow melee landing, no ICD.
These chances are multiplied by 0.9 for lvl 89 targets, 0.8 for lvl 90 targets, 0.7 for lvl 91 targets, 0.6 for lvl 92 targets, and 0.5 for lvl 93+ targets.
After adding a stack, if you have >30 stacks, you have a [1/(51-stacks)] chance to proc the Fury buff.NOTE THAT CURRENTLY POISONS CAN PROC STACKS, SO ASSASSINATION HAS SIGNIFICATELY HIGHER PROC RATE THAN WHAT IS SAID HERE

No, the location of Hagara cannot be accessed until you have cleared the first 3 bosses. Also, Hagara becomes available after a gauntlet-style trash event. She does not aggro after the gauntlet event ends if no one is standing in the middle, thus giving you more than enough time to stealth and pick pocket her. If it all goes wrong though (read: she detects you and starts attacking), you'll still have Vanish and/or Shadow Dance to back you up.

13. Could a 25man raiding rogue go into a 10man group which has cleared up to Hagara, pick pocket her, not get saved and start collecting Clusters from the first boss in the 25man?

It's possible, but 10/25 is irrelevant. You can do it in both raid sizes because as long as you don't participate in the kill of a boss in the instance, you won't get a normal mode ID.

14. Can multiple rogues pick pocket Hagara during the same reset?

Currently this is possible by letting a rogue pick pocket her and then wipe/reset her to make her despawn (thus resetting the pockets) and do it again for the other rogues.

15. Will the proc from the legendaries have any effect Relentless Strikes?

No, using a finisher will still use up the 5 combo points you have, and the proc will just instantly generate another 5 CP's for you to use.

16. In a 25 man, can a single rogue open both clusters or is it planned for 25's to have 2 rogues run it at the same time?

Yes, a single rogue can open both clusters.

17. How does the wing-effect work on the daggers?

The wings pop out when you gain the Fury of the Destroyer proc, and last for the duration of the proc. Apparently you can also use the daggers as a parachute for 15 seconds with a 5-minute cooldown, also causing the wings to appear.

In the department of super-marginal-and-borderline-ridiculous stuff: I've noticed that you can target Hagara during the gauntlet - anyone tried Shadowstepping up to her? Would be a way to solo that bit.

11. Can you start the quest chain by sneaking up to Hagara without killing anything?
No, the Hagara event begins with a gauntlet-style trash event. To pick pocket her, you need to Shadow Dance or Vanish in the middle of the fight and then pick pocket her.

Nice FAQ. The number of topics about the daggers has indeed increased a lot in the past few days.

11) She doesn't aggro instantly after the gauntlet is over if nobody is standing in the middle area. If people don't leave their totems there or are slow, you can pickpocket her without wasting cooldowns.

12) It's possible but 10/25 is irrelevant. 25m rogue (if clearing thursday, for example) could also join another 25m group on wednesday who cleared up to Hagara. As long as you don't kill a boss you won't get a normal mode ID.

Nice FAQ. The number of topics about the daggers has indeed increased a lot in the past few days.

11) She doesn't aggro instantly after the gauntlet is over if nobody is standing in the middle area. If people don't leave their totems there or are slow, you can pickpocket her without wasting cooldowns.

12) It's possible but 10/25 is irrelevant. 25m rogue (if clearing thursday, for example) could also join another 25m group on wednesday who cleared up to Hagara. As long as you don't kill a boss you won't get a normal mode ID.

No, this is not correct. The two currencies you get in Dragon Soul (one from the first 7 bosses and one from Madness of Deathwing) are both used for jewelcrafting gems. The legendary clusters drop from bosses just as the previous farming parts for the legendaries did.

stickie!
in a 25man can a single rogue open both clusters or is it planned for 25's to have 2 rogues run it at the same time?
if you can't have both unopened clusters can you just open one then receive the other afterwards?

I'm hoping I'm missing something here but if I am reading things right once we get the stage 1 daggers and start collecting boss drops, we need 333x Shadowy Gem which we get by looting and opening Elementium Gem Cluster. Once we have the phase 2 dagger we then need to collect another 60x Elementium Gem Cluster. Would this mean then that say a 10man raid with 2 rogue, both rogues could there their p1's in short order but then rogue1 collects clusters for the ~15 weeks until he has completed his legendary before rogue2 can even start on phase 2?