All Hell Breaks Loose After Trump Says Women Should Be "Punished" For Illegal Abortions

Although one might fairly question the methodology behind the polls and whether the questions were designed to elicit a certain type of response, it is worth noting that in three separate surveys (NBC, WSJ, and CNN), Trump’s favorability rating with female voters was 27% or less.

Even if one assumes that the polls were inherently biased, there’s probably some truth to the contention that the things Trump has said about women in the past haven’t done anything to help him when it comes to garnering a large percentage of the female vote and may indeed come back to haunt him in a national contest with Hillary Clinton.

Well on Wednesday, in an MSNBC town hall event, Trump was cornered by host Chris Matthews who asked the GOP frontrunner about his position on illegal abortion.

Trump says "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions. Interview airs tonight at 8pmET.https://t.co/SR3st1X665

Host Chris Matthews presses Trump on anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, “Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge”

“Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should,’” Trump answers

“How about you?” Matthews asks

“I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?” Trump says

“I’m asking you,” Matthews says

“I am pro-life,” Trump says

“How do you actually ban abortion?” Matthews asks

“Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it,” Trump says

Matthews then presses Trump on if he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal

“There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says

“For the woman?” Matthews says; “Yeah,” Trump says, nodding

Trump says punishment would “have to be determined”

“They’ve set the law and frankly the judges, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point and with the loss of Scalia, who was a very strong conservative, this presidential election is going to be very important,” Trump says

“When you say what’s the law, nobody knows what the law is going to be. It depends on who gets elected,” Trump says

Obviously, this was "gotcha" journalism on Matthews' part (once he established that he was referring to illegal abortions he knew he could pin Trump between having to either say women should be punished or that women could break the law with impunity), and as we saw last year with the whole Kurds/Quds Hugh Hewitt debacle, Trump is susceptible to badgering. The other problem here is that it isn't clear that Trump truly believes some of the things he's forced to say as a Republican candidate, which leads to exchanges like that recounted above. "Don't overthink it: Trump doesn't understand the pro-life position because he's not pro-life," a Cruz aid tweeted. Here's Politico with a bit of context:

Trump’s policy idea is a departure from most state abortion restrictions, which don’t impose penalties on the women who get abortions. Typically, any penalties are imposed on the physician who does the procedure.

The anti-abortion movement in recent decades has shied away from the perception that it is “punishing” women for getting abortions. Instead, it has focused on penalties for the physicians who provide them, such as imposing medical or legal restrictions on their practice. In some rare situations, women have faced charges associated with abortions they have attempted on their own.

Having realized this had become a PR fiasco, Trump promptly walked back his comments.

This is a statement released just moments ago, in which the billionaire revises his initial comments, calling the women "victims", and stating it is doctors who should be held legally responsible for performing the illegal act:

If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.

But by the time the Trump campaign released that statement it was far too late. The media, women's rights groups, pro-abortion groups, as well as all of Trump's political opponents smelled blood.

"The last person women need to police their health care decisions is someone who sees them not as people, but as ‘fat pigs,’ ‘bimbos’ and ‘disgusting animals,’" Marcy Stech, a spokeswoman for Emily's List, a pro-abortion-rights group said.

Sorry, no, its a not a miracle. A miracle is something that inexplicable happens, randomly and is a UNIQUE EVENT. That means, its never happened before and probably won't ever happen again. 7.2 billion and counting, its not a miracle. Its an extremely mundane event.

Trump should not have backtracked on that statement. Politically he did not go far enough.

Yes I am okay with women being imprisoned for having abortions.In fact I strongly believe that women that have abortions need to be subjected to a state sposored and FORCED sterilization, They need to undergo the surgical removal of their womb, a hysterectomy.

...and I also believe that the men who impregnated these women who opt for abortions need to be punished. Imprisonment and a forced Orchidectomy, the surgical removal of the testicals, needs to be done.

Parantage of the fetal remains can be accomplished by the standard DNA Polymerase Chain Reaction to determine, with a certainty to within a Billionth, the parentage of the suspected man.

Maybe the men will learn not to fuck just any woman. Maybe the men will learn to keep their dick in their pants...or in their hand if the urge to ejaculate becomes too overwhelming.

This suggestion is not fair at all. But this suggestion is JUST.

There are two parties to any pregnancy. Both parties are just as complicit in the act of sexual intercourse and both parties need to be held accountable.

Furthermore it needs to be strongly supported that any woman who is leaving the borders of the United States be tested for pregnancy.If the woman tests positive then she is forbidden travel...unless she is a foreign national in which case she is deported immediately.

This can easily be accomplished by having the same Medical Staff who checks entrants into the Nation for infectious disease can be used to check for pregnancy upon departees. We need those borders sealed tight for this purpose alone..

American women, rich or poor, shall be forbidden access to foreign abotions.

Anybody aiding, abetting,or enabling an illegal abortion is to be summarily put to death.

That is what my adoptive mother did. She housed and cared for my biological mother until she gave birth.

My poor adoptive mother who purchased a brain damaged babby. She bought damaged goods. And then she dies when I was 4 years old as she drank herself to death.

I wonder how eBay will deal with the return policy on that...

What is the liklihood that qualified parents can be found on eBay? My adoptive mother was rich. She was 52 years old when she purchased both my adoptive brother and I. She was a lesbian alcoholic in poor health. We were purchased as pets.

In her aged,physical and mental state she was unqualified to raise children.

Will eBay screen for the qualified? And who is eBay to declare who is qualified and who is not qualified?

If there is any case for abortion being legal then it is me. I am living proof that abortion needs to remain legal.

But if abortion is to be regarded as a murder by society then the culpability for that murder is not just to be retricted to the woman. That is not justice served.

Men, actually BOYS, will shift responsibility onto the woman.

Yet the BOYS are the PRINCIPLE ACTOR in creating that unborn child. If they REFUSE to have sex then there is no "unwanted preganancy" in the first place.

Yes the BOYS claim that the woman has given them "NO VOICE" yet they EXERCISED that vioce by consenting to have sex wth the woman.

Thus if there are to be criminal penaties upon the woman for aborting the pregnancy then those same penaties need to be exacted upon the boys who impregnated them indiscriminately.

Boys need to learn to abstain from sex as the consequences of the act are life changing and life generating.

If a boy lacks the capacity to discern that a woman will be a nurturing mother, or a tramp whore from hell, then the boy does not have any business in having sex in the first place.

The Moral DEGENERACY which has taken place in the Nation is abysmal. This began with the abandonment of religious worship in the late 1950s and has degenerated ever since.

Many here may believe that my penalties may be draconian when I call for sterilization. There are two distinct points that I will make...

First if Abortion is Murder then my penalties are merciful as the penalty for First Degree Murder, premeditated Murder, needs to be Life Imprisonment. Sterilization is far less punitive than Life Imprisonment.

Next woman who undergo abortions build up scar tissue in the uterine wall. They may have two abortions, or three at the most. Then they are affectively sterile anyway as there is no place where the zygote, the fertilized ova, can attach. Thus the zygote is spontaneously aborted as it is starved for nutrients.

If the women are affectively sterilized due to the abortionist's actions then the boys who created these unwanted babies also needheld to the same standard and also be sterilized.

As vasectomies are not guaranteed the only way to be certain is through an orchidectomy.

That is justice served.

The Boys who engage in indiscriminate sex and continue to want to irresponsibly breed children need to be prevented from causing such chaos and havoc.

Tall Tom, your "Boys need tolearn to abstain from sexas the consequences of the act are life changing and life generating. If a boy lacks the capacity to discern that a woman will be a nurturing mother, or a tramp whore from hell, then the boy does not have any business in having sex in the first place."

is actually a very old social recipy

problem is, that old recipy used to be applied to girls

which is the more discerning sex of the two. because of clear physiological limitations, the female sex has more imbued interest on being selective and discerning

in short, your recipy is already quite difficult to apply to girls in the first place, from a social point of view. to apply it on boys... I can only shake my head in incomprehension

sure, modern feminism (particularly 3rd gen) insists on role-reversals everywhere, and has even some success, particularly in fantasy literature, education and several other fields. with very diverse success, depending from the field

but asking boys to learn to abstain from sex... well, yes, boys can become very discerning and cautious about consequences. but then we don't call them boys anymore, we call them... men

and the way from boyhood to manhood is a much longer and harder one then the way from girlhood to womanhood, regardless from the fact that many boys and girls actually never make it, even up to old age

human nature. I sense an incredible lack of understanding for the basics of human nature in those discussions

the basic function of a society - from an ancient conservative point of view - used to be to make women out of girls and men out of boys. and it's easier and faster to make women out of girls then to make men out of boys

and so... restricting girls from unwanted social/sexual behaviour was always the smaller, easier-to-hit target. in some societies, this meant marrying them at puberty, mind, if the resources to guard them were limited, for example. in others it was done by keeping boys in army-like systems until they reached the age of 30, as some African tribes still do

Sparta come to mind, here: lots of sexual freedom... because the boys were in the army from the age of 7 until 30. and when they returned, well, the women decided who they would be married to. the recipy here was quite "feminist" and worked... because the boys were not around in town

to put it in other terms:

if you want to channel/forbid human social behaviour, particularly sexual behaviour, you are being conservative. and then, it would be very smart of you to study how previous generations of conservatives applied their recipies, and which ones worked... or not

in even other terms:

protecting girls from doing mistakes requires resources. lots of them, be them adequate parents or society or whatever

protecting boys from doing mistakes... requires much, much more resources. do you have those immense resources? or are you proposing an incredibly wasteful conservative social experiment?

sure, modern feminism (particularly 3rd gen) insists on role-reversals everywhere, and has even some success, particularly in fantasy literature, education and several other fields. with very diverse success, depending from the field

but asking boys to learn to abstain from sex... well, yes, boyscanbecome very discerning and cautious about consequences. but then we don't call them boys anymore, we call them... men

You raise a valid point...

I tell the kids that sex is not for kids.

Perhaps we need better education and mentoring from the absent fathers to their sons...yeah...right...disregard my snark.

Sometimes it is the boy at fault, and sometimes the girl. They must take responsibility in their own way.

You are certainly right about moral degradation, especially in regards to sex (the Jian Ghomeshi case in Canada is a real eye opener), but I do not think that the loss of a religious understanding of reproduction connects with a system of medical sterilization. Does this reaction not create something of a fundamentalist belief in medicine? And a totalitarian one at that?

(Maybe we could call it Obamabortions?)

If sexual morals are created from religious laws and degrade when the laws are lost, does that not mean that those laws should be reintroduced? Or better yet, should there not be a system in place that develops individual morality and strength - a return of a rite of passage for youth so that they come to understand that sexual morals are best for themselves and their people?

Currently there is a system in place in which progress is opposed to tradition, and youth are taught to explore sexuality on their own. This has been a disaster - ideological homosexuality, sexual fetishes based upon racial masochism, sadism against the body, and the female race to kill their own elevated to an art form (yes, going on the abortion pill is considered art in New York, look it up).

A totalitarian and centralized approach cannot fix this, a new society must be built from the foundations. Youth can then learn to respect themselves as individuals and the inherently collective nature of procreation once a just society with an identity based in human traditions is created.

Western women have committed a great crime against men and all of humanity. Like Mad Meg she has littered our world with the plunder of hell. Some will seek vengeance, but I do not think this is the solution. Instead, like you suggest, men will have to consider the part they played and create a system in which women will be forced to reflect on what they have done. Forcing them to listen will do nothing, but if men stop fighting each other and bending to the will of women they can cause them to reflect and perhaps see their own sins.

Woman is, after all, created in the image of man - she exists for him. Meaning that if we want women to be strong individuals loyal to our group and against the state then we have to be strong individuals ourselves. Men and women will have to learn to compliment one another and procreate so that children will compliment their group. Medical sterilization will only exist next to a form of procreation which is hardened to such totalitarian measures.

Unfortunately the entire fabric of pur society has been affected by this degeneracy. This has been aided by State mandated policies.

While I do not like totalitarian measures the murder of children is abhorrent. Our society uses totalitarian measures to stop Theft, Murder, Rape, assault, and other assorted violent criminal actions which are also as abhorrent.

The Maral Decadence within our society has a widespread acceptance that,just a few decades ago, would cause revulsion.

Society today overwhelmingly supports torture and incarceration without due process for suspected terrorists. It took decades for these abhorrent attitudes to be accepted, through incrementalization, in our culture. We have lost the Moral High Ground as a result.

Our society which previously valued human rights, what we call Constitutional Rights, has nothing but contempt for those. Thus it is widely accepted that the Civil Rights, which the letter of the law supposedly which restricts Government from the removal, are ignored with actual revulsion by far too many many.

We are at a crisis point currently in our financial state of affairs. We have no time to incrementally turn back from the direction.

Personally I see no solution other than personal solutions...keeping your woman in check from bitch behavior, aberrant behavior, and providing for your own family..

I can't believe this is still being discussed and is a major issue in politics. I think it has been overly politicized and has polarized the nation for decades. I don't expect my view to be popular as it seems most have been pushed/pulled to either end of the spectrum.

Ladies, a large percentage of people (and growing) doesn't give a rat's behind about your abortions. Have 20. What do I care? Honestly, if you place yourself in such a position to have multiple abortions it's probably best that you don't multiply. If I don't care once, the politicians don't care 10x. They want your vote and use it as a means of "hooking" you into the political process. You are being used.

For a variety of reasons, being able to get an abortion is not a green light to act irresponsibly. We can get bypass surgery to unclog our arteries. Does that mean we should smoke, eat McDonalds and twinkies 5 times a day and never exercise? Abortions should be viewed as the "ultimate corrective measure" and not as a means of contraception. There are many methods of contraception available that should be explored thoroughly. I think they even recently approved a 2-month "morning after pill".

If you are a single woman and can support a baby and give it a fighting chance in an increasingly difficult world, either make a deal with a man or use a sperm bank. I know two women that have done this and they are very good mothers. They both make over $80k a year by the way. On the other hand, don't have/keep children simply as a form of self-validation. If you can't raise the kid properly, be certain to make full use of contraceptive methods to prevent pregnancy. If it still occurs, consider adoption or have an abortion if you must.

This isn't only about being responsible with contraception. Acting responsibly includes trying to establish monogamous, meaningful, long-lasting, loving relationships and making solid decisions with your partner about the future of your family etc. Plan your own parenthood for your happiness and for the future of your baby. If an unexpected pregnancy occurs despite being responsible (which can definitely happen) then discuss it with your partner and if you can't/won't be fully committed to raising the child properly, have an abortion as a last resort. There's no reason to have a child both of you are not fully committed to. There's a good chance it will make both you and your child miserable in the long run.

To all the 100% pro life folks, yes abortions are a form of murder no matter how you look at it. Yes, some of the clinics have done things bordering on the criminally insane and they should be investigated and cleaned up. On the other hand, abstinence is not realistic and living in squalor with very few opportunities is no way to go through life either. Nothing is perfect and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. Funny thing is it seems the people who should be having children aren't and the people in no position to raise their children properly are having many.

This isn't about restricting women or telling them what to do with their bodies. That's just a political catchphrase. Try selling your body for sex. You will be arrested. If you try unsuccessfully to commit suicide you will be sent to shrinks etc., probably be heavily sedated and institutionalized. It's your body isn't it? Think and act responsibly without needing to listen to some political clown who has ulterior motives. If society as a whole took this approach (or similar) abortions would drop significantly. Both parties should stop peddling their insane positions and promote thought and responsibility. Do you see that ever happening?

Hey, you don't sound brain damaged at all to me. But to answer your question, your adoptive mother should be able to legally return you as long as you are still a virgin...and under 40 years old. :P

I don't support abortion myself, but it is difficult to impose what we believe onto someone else until we have walked their shoes. If only the world is ruled by logic, we wouldn't have 99% of the problems we have today.

IMHO, we should start and successfully bring murder charges onto mass-murdering war criminals first before we can even think of punishing anyone for abortion.

As far as punishing the parents, I think I'm conflicted. Many go through abortions already with painful emotional distress because they don't see any way out. If we are compassionate, address their issues early enough and offer counseling/support/alternatives perhaps majority would reconsider.

Knowing your condition, I still think it would have been a mistake to have you aborted. I'm not sure if you believe in reincarnation, but "Soul Plan" - Rob Schwartz maybe an interesting reading for you among many others.

I'm junked cos probably someone still holds a grudge for my previous post/reply and is stalking me. But hey, that's ok. I made an impact. :)

I have a son I do not get to see. I am also glad that I did not ask his mother to terminate. My opinion on the matter solidified then that I did not wish the decision on anyone. I am glad your mother did not terminate and what ever the faults of your adoptive mother had you could have ended up with worse natural parents.

Dude, you've been thru it. I do agree, degeneracy has been propped up mainstream. It's sad that the envelope has been blown thru and we've moved to a new place, to quote Mich O who was talking about a complete collapse

IMO, if all of the pro-life money went to crisis pregnancy centers, some good documentary films, and adoption assistance programs instead of politicians who have done nothing for the last few decades, most of the problem would be solved.

With respect, I think your opinion is bullshit. Who are you to decide what is right and wrong for someone to do in regards to abortion. You can be pro-life all you want that's your decision, but don't for a second think that someone else doesn't have the same right to decide otherwise.

Further, there are belief systems that hold the concept of reincarnation. So what are you killing? The body. Hell even christianity has the concept of the immortal soul which cannot be destroyed. All you people that are so sure of what is taking place during an aboartion need to cool it a little. Next thing you know you'll be burning people at the stake for having an abortion. You might not like what other people do or think but that's your problem.

Who are you to decide what is right and wrong for someone to do in regards to abortion. You can be pro-life all you want that's your decision, but don't for a second think that someone else doesn't have the same right to decide otherwise.

Who are you to decide that I have no right to steal from another? It is my choice after all and you are not involved. It is nunya biznez.

I should be allowed to rape, pillage, murder,lie, cheat plunder and steal if I am not affecting you.

You can be pro-Law and Order all you want. That's your decision.

But don't for a second think that someone else doesn't have the same right to decide otherwise.

Who are you to decide that I have no right to steal from another? It is my choice after all and you are not involved. It is nunya biznez.

I should be allowed to rape, pillage, murder,lie, cheat plunder and steal if I am not affecting you.

I don't make pronouncements regarding rights of any description. If you want to rape, pillage, murder, lie, cheat and plunder knock yourself out. When you get blown away because someone doesn't want you doing those things to them, rest in peace.

I had to go back and check that this was not an MDB post. Are you seriously suggesting that you want to live in a country with such draconian, statist rules in place? Really? Seriously?

I know that Americans tend to be a bit touchy on this subject, but really - and this from a rocketeering scientist, no less.

Perhaps we could compromise - find some middle ground here? I have to say that I am not comfortable with state sterilisation, because you just know that once it's on the books, mission creep will set in, and before you know it, they will be sterilizing anyone who doesn't conform, or has a debilitating disease or condition perhaps?

Women think they have the right to kill a man's baby if they want to and the man should have ZERO say, and that the man has the right to pay for the child for 18+ years if they don't want to murder it.

That's a complete myth. Women are every bit, if not more, dastardly than men (just look at Hitlery cackling about the murder of Ghadafi .... imagine if that had been a man....).

Now if I were to write a book out of my experience I should begin Women have no sympathy ... Mine is the conviction of experience. I have never found one woman who has altered her life by one iota for me or my opinions ... and my experience of women is almost as large as Europe.

In one sense, I do believe I am "like a man," as Parthe says. But how? In having sympathy. … Women crave for being loved, not for loving. They scream out at you for sympathy all day long, they are incapable of giving any in return, for they cannot remember your affairs long enough to do so. … They cannot state a fact accurately to another, nor can that other attend to it accurately enough for it to become information.

Women think they have the right to kill a man's baby if they want to and the man should have ZERO say, and that the man has the right to pay for the child for 18+ years if they don't want to murder it.

You had "your SAY" when you shoved your dick in her pussy.

Perhaps you made a poor choice of who to fuck.

But you refuse to take responsibility for that as you have NO BALLS.

They have obviously been removed as I see them displayed here on this page.