Kashmir's "Abu Ghraib Video"

Indian authorities must carry out an investigation immediately into a video clip that appears to show detainees in Kashmir being stripped and humiliated by security forces.

The three-minute clip, described on social networking sites as “Kashmir’s Abu Ghraib video”, apparently shows Jammu and Kashmir police and Central Reserve Police Force personnel herding at least four naked young men to a nearby police station.

This behaviour is in clear violation of the universal and absolute right to freedom from torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

The video, apparently recorded by one of the security personnel, has since been removed from social networking sites, including Facebook and YouTube, after the Jammu and Kashmir police reportedly began legal action against the publishers of what it termed a “baseless and malicious clip”.

It is unclear when the clip was recorded, although it was reportedly taken in the north-western town of Sopore.

The recorded conversation in Hindi-Urdu suggests that the security force personnel suspected the young men of being involved in throwing stones at the security forces, and that they had been caught after a long chase.

Amnesty International has consistently received reports of torture and other ill-treatment of detainees in various police stations and interrogation centres in Jammu and Kashmir. Such accounts have often included men being stripped naked and humiliated by security force personnel.

The Indian Parliament is currently debating new legislation criminalizing torture and the Indian Home Minister P Chidambaram has said the video will be investigated.

However, a statement by Jammu and Kashmir Police to local media indicated that a formal case had been registered against the clip’s distributors.

“The approach of the local police raises serious concerns. Instead of investigating and identifying the perpetrators of the humiliating treatment, the police appear to be more concerned about who uploaded and circulated the video clip,” said Donna Guest, Deputy Director of Amnesty International’s Asia-Pacific program.

“The Indian and Jammu and Kashmir authorities must ensure that the content of the clip is subjected to an independent, impartial and effective investigation. Any officials who are suspected of offences involving human rights violations should be prosecuted in fair trials.”

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We Are Being Killed In Cold Blood…Why International Community & Humans Rights Organizations Watching It Like A Mute Spectator ?
Wake Up Before Its Too Late….Just Wake Up n Save KASHMIRIS please please and please… Don't They Deserve The Right To Chose Their Future ? We Are Peace Loving People… Our Hospitality Is Very Much Known In The World…
Save Us..

Once the paradise on earth, kashmir has witnessed the most heinous of human rights violations in the history of mankind………!
AI has been watching it like a mute spectator….!
Hope this AI declines to wait as the water in Jehlum has already blood-color…

We Are Being Killed In Cold Blood…Why International Community & Humans Rights Organizations Watching It Like A Mute Spectator ?
Wake Up Before Its Too Late….Just Wake Up n Save KASHMIRIS please please and please… Don’t They Deserve The Right To Chose Their Future ? We Are Peace Loving People… Our Hospitality Is Very Much Known In The World…
Save Us..

Once the paradise on earth, kashmir has witnessed the most heinous of human rights violations in the history of mankind………!
AI has been watching it like a mute spectator….!
Hope this AI declines to wait as the water in Jehlum has already blood-color…

Organizations as Amnesty International do not have the right to talk of Human Rights though they pretend to stand for the Human Rights of the world.

Especially when they have blood in their own hand – Why do I say this ? Because, they will only cry out loud when an Asian or African country has such issues – They, to date, hasn't had the spine to stand up to USA or Europe or Israel for that matter for the HR violations they did in the past or what they are doing now – it is pathetic in that sense when AI point a finger at another government – Where is the credibility to take them serious ??

Hope Kashmir will get a solution soon – the issue has been dragging for too long and many lives lost due to faults of both parties..

This video is just a small piece of evidence.KASHMIR has been Bleeding since two decades at the hands of so called biggest democracy in the World. INDIA is committing GROSS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS with impunity and Callous attitude of WORLD Community is equally responcible for it. Now is Enough WAKE UP WORLD , WAKE UP…….

Organizations as Amnesty International do not have the right to talk of Human Rights though they pretend to stand for the Human Rights of the world.

Especially when they have blood in their own hand – Why do I say this ? Because, they will only cry out loud when an Asian or African country has such issues – They, to date, hasn’t had the spine to stand up to USA or Europe or Israel for that matter for the HR violations they did in the past or what they are doing now – it is pathetic in that sense when AI point a finger at another government – Where is the credibility to take them serious ??

Hope Kashmir will get a solution soon – the issue has been dragging for too long and many lives lost due to faults of both parties..

Its the one video that was recorded and world came to know about the worst human rights violation here. But on ground there are much more than that. . . India has started genocide of people of kashmir and in a single day yesterday more than 15 people are shot dead by Indian Forces and more than 200 Injured

Of course Amnesty International stands up and speaks out against HR abuses by the USA, European nations, and Israel. They always have and will continue to do so. One only needs to read the Annual Report to see that this is true. One only needs to become a member and receive the reports and calls for action regarding rights issues regarding these countries. AI works as hard as it possibly can on behalf of victims of HR abuses worldwide; with more person power and more support, it could do even more and do it more quickly. To blame them for abuses gone undeterred, to say blood on their hands, is to be speaking without knowing the facts. One point specifically – to say AI points a finger at "another government" suggests that AI is a national organization. It is not; hence the "International" in its title. For those who criticize, I suggest you get involved. If AI doesn't live up to your concerns, perhaps you could start your own HR organization.

the pain of kashmiri blood means nothng for centre of india thy are playng with the state govt .our so called CM should understand that his presence is meaningless evrythng is being executed by centre dirctly.He is helpless and paralysed.Evryone knows what kasmiri peopl deserve and want but the people in power at centre are executing wat they want the whole system is curse to the definition of democracy.an urgent intervention from international society is need of this hour.

This video is just a small piece of evidence.KASHMIR has been Bleeding since two decades at the hands of so called biggest democracy in the World. INDIA is committing GROSS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS with impunity and Callous attitude of WORLD Community is equally responcible for it. Now is Enough WAKE UP WORLD , WAKE UP…….

There are hundreds of such incidents even sometimes worst then this one happning in each & every corner of kashmir, jus only few are getting recorded, they are killing us in cold blood, our freedom of speach & protest against humain rights voilation is curbed by force, our protestors are directly targeted on head & chest, even spactators are not spared, even kids & womeans are not spared from their aggression, they tourcher the arrestees the worrest of all degrees that they become unable to do anything even if release, & most of time kill them, hundred of unidentified graves in length & breadth is witness of their aggression, our kids & females are not safe anyway, young boys are being killed every now then even wthout any provacation, till date they have kill more than one hundred thousand civilians in cold blood & nobody dear to stop them….is their anybody who can spare our human & basic rights, ours is peacefull nation but they provoke us…by killing our innocent brothers….yes it is true we want freedom from their forced occupation, we are not part of india or pakistan, we have our own identiy, our own culture & traditions, they have grabed us by force in 1947…UNO resolutions is witness…we want pelibicite/refrundum as gureented by UNO, we want to decide our fate & future of our own, we want to have our own soverign nation as it was before, we want peace wth diginity..we want freedom

kashmiris have been oppressed since ages.Indian usurpers have now resorted to stripping the innocent public,not only to supress the ages old freedom struggle,but introducing a new tactics to traumatise kashmiris mentally and trap them within their own minds.
SHAME ON INDIA,SHAME!! SHAME!!

I've taken action on cases set in the USA and Europe and Israel… actions that were based in issues and cases mentioned in the reports, actions that were included in the "Act Now" link on the AI site. If not for AI, I would not know about the cases and would not have been able to take action, bro!!

It is a shame that the world is turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed against innocent, non-violent Kashmiri citizens and protesters who are protesting at the in humane treatment that they are receiving at the hands of the Indian security forces.
I urge Amnesty International to speak out and highlight the human rights violations and atrocities that are being committed against Kashmiri’s by Indian security forces. An organisation like yours should not remain silent about human rights violations committed against any individual.
The authorities in Kashmir are coercing people who are trying to highlight human rights violations and have pressed charges against many individuals who have posted information on websites like Facebook. They are trying to curb the freedom of thought, expression and intimidating people to comply.
It is a shame for a country which calls itself the world’s biggest democracy.

Its the one video that was recorded and world came to know about the worst human rights violation here. But on ground there are much more than that. . . India has started genocide of people of kashmir and in a single day yesterday more than 15 people are shot dead by Indian Forces and more than 200 Injured

Of course Amnesty International stands up and speaks out against HR abuses by the USA, European nations, and Israel. They always have and will continue to do so. One only needs to read the Annual Report to see that this is true. One only needs to become a member and receive the reports and calls for action regarding rights issues regarding these countries. AI works as hard as it possibly can on behalf of victims of HR abuses worldwide; with more person power and more support, it could do even more and do it more quickly. To blame them for abuses gone undeterred, to say blood on their hands, is to be speaking without knowing the facts. One point specifically – to say AI points a finger at “another government” suggests that AI is a national organization. It is not; hence the “International” in its title. For those who criticize, I suggest you get involved. If AI doesn’t live up to your concerns, perhaps you could start your own HR organization.

the pain of kashmiri blood means nothng for centre of india thy are playng with the state govt .our so called CM should understand that his presence is meaningless evrythng is being executed by centre dirctly.He is helpless and paralysed.Evryone knows what kasmiri peopl deserve and want but the people in power at centre are executing wat they want the whole system is curse to the definition of democracy.an urgent intervention from international society is need of this hour.

There are hundreds of such incidents even sometimes worst then this one happning in each & every corner of kashmir, jus only few are getting recorded, they are killing us in cold blood, our freedom of speach & protest against humain rights voilation is curbed by force, our protestors are directly targeted on head & chest, even spactators are not spared, even kids & womeans are not spared from their aggression, they tourcher the arrestees the worrest of all degrees that they become unable to do anything even if release, & most of time kill them, hundred of unidentified graves in length & breadth is witness of their aggression, our kids & females are not safe anyway, young boys are being killed every now then even wthout any provacation, till date they have kill more than one hundred thousand civilians in cold blood & nobody dear to stop them….is their anybody who can spare our human & basic rights, ours is peacefull nation but they provoke us…by killing our innocent brothers….yes it is true we want freedom from their forced occupation, we are not part of india or pakistan, we have our own identiy, our own culture & traditions, they have grabed us by force in 1947…UNO resolutions is witness…we want pelibicite/refrundum as gureented by UNO, we want to decide our fate & future of our own, we want to have our own soverign nation as it was before, we want peace wth diginity..we want freedom

kashmiris have been oppressed since ages.Indian usurpers have now resorted to stripping the innocent public,not only to supress the ages old freedom struggle,but introducing a new tactics to traumatise kashmiris mentally and trap them within their own minds.
SHAME ON INDIA,SHAME!! SHAME!!

I’ve taken action on cases set in the USA and Europe and Israel… actions that were based in issues and cases mentioned in the reports, actions that were included in the “Act Now” link on the AI site. If not for AI, I would not know about the cases and would not have been able to take action, bro!!

It is a shame that the world is turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed against innocent, non-violent Kashmiri citizens and protesters who are protesting at the in humane treatment that they are receiving at the hands of the Indian security forces.
I urge Amnesty International to speak out and highlight the human rights violations and atrocities that are being committed against Kashmiri’s by Indian security forces. An organisation like yours should not remain silent about human rights violations committed against any individual.
The authorities in Kashmir are coercing people who are trying to highlight human rights violations and have pressed charges against many individuals who have posted information on websites like Facebook. They are trying to curb the freedom of thought, expression and intimidating people to comply.
It is a shame for a country which calls itself the world’s biggest democracy.

Can you please elucidate the fellow bloggers on the action you have taken against USA, UK and Israel please ??

How much of pressure did AI apply on the USA for invading Iraq and killing Thousands of innocent Civilians? What is the pressure applied for messing up Afghanistan ?? What sanctions are imposed on Israel for the terror in Gaza ??

But all these Drones can shout out and cry out to the Western world about Sri Lanka, India and Africa – Have these HR people at least spoken out about the atrocities that happen in Colombia and other South American countries ?? They are Chicken and Spineless when it comes to affairs of the powerful. They only know to blow their horns when they see developing countries…

Also, there HR is only in books – they don't use their heads to understand what's best for humanity – For example – If there is a mass murderer out there, as a race, the humans should eliminate such menace before such menace swallows the whole human race – But, in the books of Amnesty International, this Curse also should be saved………

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis. Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty. You purport to know what is best for humanity in declaring a mass murderer should be eliminated, while not looking deeper into the human rights issues that surround the societal practice of executions.

As to those countries and regions you seem to believe are not under the watchful eye of AI (USA, Israel, and now the South American countries), have you at least taken a close look at AI's website? http://www.amnesty.org/ All you need to to is look on the left for the link for "Human Rights Information – By Country". Click there to find information as well as actions that can be taken on various cases. These will give you an idea of some of the actions I have worked on that deal with the USA, European countries, and Israel.

As to the Iraq war, while Amnesty is not a political body, it works to end human rights abuses that surround the practice of war. For one example, see this: http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countries/iraq/page… There is information as well as ways one can take action.

Your anger would be best served by harnessing its energy into writing and acting on behalf of human rights rather than just railing against an organization that is doing absolutely all it can to secure human rights for citizens worldwide.

Can you please elucidate the fellow bloggers on the action you have taken against USA, UK and Israel please ??

How much of pressure did AI apply on the USA for invading Iraq and killing Thousands of innocent Civilians? What is the pressure applied for messing up Afghanistan ?? What sanctions are imposed on Israel for the terror in Gaza ??

But all these Drones can shout out and cry out to the Western world about Sri Lanka, India and Africa – Have these HR people at least spoken out about the atrocities that happen in Colombia and other South American countries ?? They are Chicken and Spineless when it comes to affairs of the powerful. They only know to blow their horns when they see developing countries…

Also, there HR is only in books – they don’t use their heads to understand what’s best for humanity – For example – If there is a mass murderer out there, as a race, the humans should eliminate such menace before such menace swallows the whole human race – But, in the books of Amnesty International, this Curse also should be saved………

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis. Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty. You purport to know what is best for humanity in declaring a mass murderer should be eliminated, while not looking deeper into the human rights issues that surround the societal practice of executions.

As to those countries and regions you seem to believe are not under the watchful eye of AI (USA, Israel, and now the South American countries), have you at least taken a close look at AI's website? http://www.amnesty.org/ All you need to to is look on the left for the link for "Human Rights Information – By Country". Click there to find information as well as actions that can be taken on various cases. These will give you an idea of some of the actions I have worked on that deal with the USA, European countries, and Israel.

As to the Iraq war, while Amnesty is not a political body, it works to end human rights abuses that surround the practice of war. For one example, see this: http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countries/iraq/page… There is information as well as ways one can take action.

Your anger would be best served by harnessing its energy into writing and acting on behalf of human rights rather than just railing against an organization that is doing absolutely all it can to secure human rights for citizens worldwide.

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis. Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty. You purport to know what is best for humanity in declaring a mass murderer should be eliminated, while not looking deeper into the human rights issues that surround the societal practice of executions.

As to those countries and regions you seem to believe are not under the watchful eye of AI (USA, Israel, and now the South American countries), have you at least taken a close look at AI's website? http://www.amnesty.org/ All you need to to is look on the left for the link for "Human Rights Information – By Country". Click there to find information as well as actions that can be taken on various cases. These will give you an idea of some of the actions I have worked on that deal with the USA, European countries, and Israel.

As to the Iraq war, while Amnesty is not a political body, it works to end human rights abuses that surround the practice of war. For one example, see this: http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countries/iraq/page… There is information as well as ways one can take action.

Your anger would be best served by harnessing its energy into writing and acting on behalf of human rights rather than just railing against an organization that is doing absolutely all it can to secure human rights for citizens worldwide.

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis.

Is it fair for me to assume that you have a mindset to support AI immaterial of what they do or say ??? I would appreciate if you could respect my right as a Human to oppose AI…. I do it with a reason and the reason is that they are suppressing developing small countries while let go of or apply less pressure on Developed larger countries as mentioned above.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for USA trying to get rid of the Terrorism in Afghanistan. But, my issue with AI is, what action did they take against the recent bombing in civilian areas that killed innocent Afghans, where in Sri Lanka, same kind of Situation, they even went on to bring in a motion in EU against the Government – why double standards ????? Also, Jim Mc Donald – an ass on his own right went on to say that GOSL used cluster bombs on the Terrorist LTTE which is an absolute lie where as stayed numb for the cluster bombings that happened in Israel which we all saw via CNN…. If AI is unbiased and treats all equal, they should take this particular incident and get rid of Idiots like Jim MD and show to the world that they are unbiased as they claim !!!

Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty.

This is utter rubbish – to save humanity from un evolved humans, who behave like animals, you need to get rid of those who terrorize the humans – You do it for the sake of humanity – a clause in a book cannot teach us or give us brains to fathom this small theory out…. Any law consists of Letter of Law and Spirit of Law – that is why killing in self defense is not treated as a criminal act (Though this is written) – Even Geneva convention says that "in War, if a party uses innocent civilians as shields and hide among the innocent, if the other party attacks such target, it is accepted that there will be casualties and that the attacking party will not be penalized" – Now that is what you call being practical. HR on AI's books are good for robots – feed in instructions and deploy without any other logical thinking – That is the worst crime one can do to humanity……

You are using a straw-man argument here – saying you don't appreciate me not respecting your rights as a human. I have not, by any stretch of the imagination, disrespected your rights. I disagreed with you on points. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not respecting someone's rights. I'm sure you realize that.

As to the rest of your concerns regarding AI, I'll restate something I mentioned earlier. If AI had all the human power and financial resources it needed, it could tackle even more issues than it does now. As it is, the organization reaches as far as it can with all it has, not turning a blind eye to any case but working as hard as possible.

Your beliefs that executions are "practical' and are not human rights violations are your own and are not shared with most HR organizations. There are punitive/preventive measures that do not require the snuffing out of a life. You might find it interesting to read more about the case against the death penalty and its alternatives. It might not convince you but would give you a clearer view into the ideas of those who oppose it. It will also let you see that no, this is not a robotic movement, but a clearly thought out, reasoned out reaction to a barbaric, archaic practice.

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis. Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty. You purport to know what is best for humanity in declaring a mass murderer should be eliminated, while not looking deeper into the human rights issues that surround the societal practice of executions.

As to those countries and regions you seem to believe are not under the watchful eye of AI (USA, Israel, and now the South American countries), have you at least taken a close look at AI’s website? http://www.amnesty.org/ All you need to to is look on the left for the link for “Human Rights Information – By Country”. Click there to find information as well as actions that can be taken on various cases. These will give you an idea of some of the actions I have worked on that deal with the USA, European countries, and Israel.

Your anger would be best served by harnessing its energy into writing and acting on behalf of human rights rather than just railing against an organization that is doing absolutely all it can to secure human rights for citizens worldwide.

Clearly you already have a mindset against AI and against at least one of the UDHR articles which form its basis.

Is it fair for me to assume that you have a mindset to support AI immaterial of what they do or say ??? I would appreciate if you could respect my right as a Human to oppose AI…. I do it with a reason and the reason is that they are suppressing developing small countries while let go of or apply less pressure on Developed larger countries as mentioned above.

Don’t get me wrong, I am all for USA trying to get rid of the Terrorism in Afghanistan. But, my issue with AI is, what action did they take against the recent bombing in civilian areas that killed innocent Afghans, where in Sri Lanka, same kind of Situation, they even went on to bring in a motion in EU against the Government – why double standards ????? Also, Jim Mc Donald – an ass on his own right went on to say that GOSL used cluster bombs on the Terrorist LTTE which is an absolute lie where as stayed numb for the cluster bombings that happened in Israel which we all saw via CNN…. If AI is unbiased and treats all equal, they should take this particular incident and get rid of Idiots like Jim MD and show to the world that they are unbiased as they claim !!!

Article 5 that declares no one should be subjected to torture or other cruel or unusual punishments, which includes the death penalty.

This is utter rubbish – to save humanity from un evolved humans, who behave like animals, you need to get rid of those who terrorize the humans – You do it for the sake of humanity – a clause in a book cannot teach us or give us brains to fathom this small theory out…. Any law consists of Letter of Law and Spirit of Law – that is why killing in self defense is not treated as a criminal act (Though this is written) – Even Geneva convention says that “in War, if a party uses innocent civilians as shields and hide among the innocent, if the other party attacks such target, it is accepted that there will be casualties and that the attacking party will not be penalized” – Now that is what you call being practical. HR on AI’s books are good for robots – feed in instructions and deploy without any other logical thinking – That is the worst crime one can do to humanity……

You are using a straw-man argument here – saying you don’t appreciate me not respecting your rights as a human. I have not, by any stretch of the imagination, disrespected your rights. I disagreed with you on points. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not respecting someone’s rights. I’m sure you realize that.

As to the rest of your concerns regarding AI, I’ll restate something I mentioned earlier. If AI had all the human power and financial resources it needed, it could tackle even more issues than it does now. As it is, the organization reaches as far as it can with all it has, not turning a blind eye to any case but working as hard as possible.

Your beliefs that executions are “practical’ and are not human rights violations are your own and are not shared with most HR organizations. There are punitive/preventive measures that do not require the snuffing out of a life. You might find it interesting to read more about the case against the death penalty and its alternatives. It might not convince you but would give you a clearer view into the ideas of those who oppose it. It will also let you see that no, this is not a robotic movement, but a clearly thought out, reasoned out reaction to a barbaric, archaic practice.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not respecting someone’s rights.

Mate, what U did was not disagree, but, jump to a conclusion that I have a negative mindset towards Amnesty, without knowing what my reasons are. So let me say that there is a difference between disagreeing and coming to a conclusion.

Your beliefs that executions are “practical’ and are not human rights violations are your own and are not shared with most HR organizations.

This is exactly my point – it proves again and again that HR organizations are rubbish as long as they have this mindset – Can you please tell me what you want to do with Osama Bin laden if you know where he is, but cannot get there. Is it wrong to bombard him and save millions of innocent human lives that he is planning to destroy every minute, or do you think that he should be left alone to continue his madness ???? I will give you a good example, When Mentally sick leader of LTTE – Piribaharan was around, how many died in Sri Lanka due to his lunacy ?? How many have died in Sri Lanka due to Terrorism since the government successfully got rid of him ?? Zero Conclusion – the GOSL has managed to stop the loss of innocent human lives due to Terrorism – Isn't this a more practical Humanitarian Solution ?????

a.savage Says:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Someone to raise the issues & follow them up as honestly & valiantly & consistently as Mr McDonald is doing on his.

Jim Mc Donald is a Liar – Why on earth would any organization or a country need a liar to come in to the picture for one of the most important issues they have ???? Do you not value humanity to ask a liar to represent humans ?

You're contradicting yourself. I did not need to know the reasons for your negative attitude regarding AI in order to know you had one. One's attitude can be perfectly clear without another person needing or having to know the reasons. And that is what I stated in my former post; any conclusion I referred to was based solely on and completely in what you already said; almost a restating. No "opinion" whatsoever. So yes, all I did was disagree, not form some baseless opinion.

To take it a step farther regarding your negative mindset, you don't even deny you have one, which confirms my pgh above. But here's the thing…if you re-read your post to which I was replying, you'll see quite clearly *several* of the reasons you stated for having a negative mindset toward AI (in particular mentioning regions you feel they neglect.)

Onward…

War vs. the death penalty. A very interesting comparative discussion that has gone on since humans have cared about each other and have also hated and feared each other. The death penalty, remember, is what is used once someone has been arrested and is no longer perpetrating crimes. War, on the other hand, is an armed conflict between nations or nationalities or social/cultural groups. I oppose the death penalty. As to war, I detest it but realize that at times it is inevitable when aggressive leaders or people attempt to overpower another. As long as there are people on earth there will be dire and difficult situations and decisions. As to your question, I can't believe there would be no way to get him if we knew where he was. We are an amazingly creative people, we humans, with more options than killing. I would ask you…Would you bomb Bin Laden if he had several innocent hostages with him, but you believed that was the only opportunity available to kill him?

But believe as you do. I will believe as I do. Neither of us, alone, can make all the changes we want to see. However, I'm moving on now, and won't reply again. I'm going to use my time wisely…in writing out and speaking out on behalf of human rights abuse victims.

There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and not respecting someone’s rights.

Mate, what U did was not disagree, but, jump to a conclusion that I have a negative mindset towards Amnesty, without knowing what my reasons are. So let me say that there is a difference between disagreeing and coming to a conclusion.

Your beliefs that executions are “practical’ and are not human rights violations are your own and are not shared with most HR organizations.

This is exactly my point – it proves again and again that HR organizations are rubbish as long as they have this mindset – Can you please tell me what you want to do with Osama Bin laden if you know where he is, but cannot get there. Is it wrong to bombard him and save millions of innocent human lives that he is planning to destroy every minute, or do you think that he should be left alone to continue his madness ???? I will give you a good example, When Mentally sick leader of LTTE – Piribaharan was around, how many died in Sri Lanka due to his lunacy ?? How many have died in Sri Lanka due to Terrorism since the government successfully got rid of him ?? Zero Conclusion – the GOSL has managed to stop the loss of innocent human lives due to Terrorism – Isn’t this a more practical Humanitarian Solution ?????

a.savage Says:
September 15th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Someone to raise the issues & follow them up as honestly & valiantly & consistently as Mr McDonald is doing on his.

Jim Mc Donald is a Liar – Why on earth would any organization or a country need a liar to come in to the picture for one of the most important issues they have ???? Do you not value humanity to ask a liar to represent humans ?

You’re contradicting yourself. I did not need to know the reasons for your negative attitude regarding AI in order to know you had one. One’s attitude can be perfectly clear without another person needing or having to know the reasons. And that is what I stated in my former post; any conclusion I referred to was based solely on and completely in what you already said; almost a restating. No “opinion” whatsoever. So yes, all I did was disagree, not form some baseless opinion.

To take it a step farther regarding your negative mindset, you don’t even deny you have one, which confirms my pgh above. But here’s the thing…if you re-read your post to which I was replying, you’ll see quite clearly *several* of the reasons you stated for having a negative mindset toward AI (in particular mentioning regions you feel they neglect.)

Onward…

War vs. the death penalty. A very interesting comparative discussion that has gone on since humans have cared about each other and have also hated and feared each other. The death penalty, remember, is what is used once someone has been arrested and is no longer perpetrating crimes. War, on the other hand, is an armed conflict between nations or nationalities or social/cultural groups. I oppose the death penalty. As to war, I detest it but realize that at times it is inevitable when aggressive leaders or people attempt to overpower another. As long as there are people on earth there will be dire and difficult situations and decisions. As to your question, I can’t believe there would be no way to get him if we knew where he was. We are an amazingly creative people, we humans, with more options than killing. I would ask you…Would you bomb Bin Laden if he had several innocent hostages with him, but you believed that was the only opportunity available to kill him?

But believe as you do. I will believe as I do. Neither of us, alone, can make all the changes we want to see. However, I’m moving on now, and won’t reply again. I’m going to use my time wisely…in writing out and speaking out on behalf of human rights abuse victims.

almost a restating. No “opinion” whatsoever. So yes, all I did was disagree, not form some baseless opinion.

Well, it sure doesn't sound so !!! Anyways, it is not AI or what they stand for that I am not OK with – i.e. Human Rights as a whole – My issue is with how they get about doing it – where they draw the lines, how they see it etc… See, Animal rights groups would want to save every animal, but, they do understand the importance of having some for meat too – though they will prob. not have them selves.. It is similar here – All Humans are important, but, Terrorists should be gotten rid of and it's not the way America defines Terrorists (Apart from Bin Laden) Terrorists though may look like Humans, cannot be considered Human – i.e. because they do inhumane acts !!!

Ex. Bin Laden, Piribaharan, Idi amin… But not like America having Ahamadinajad in the list too !!! If so, the worst terror was G. W Bush !!

I did not say that they Neglect regions, What I say is that they mistreat certain regions and play safe with the bigger nations – Do you think they pressure the US government the same way they would the Sri Lankan government ???? AI wants to have economic sanctions in Sri Lanka for getting rid of Piribaharan, but, what sanctions are they talking of to USA for not finding Bin Laden, but killing zillions of innocent in Afghanistan ??? This is the double standards that I am talking of and saying that AI is a Rubbish, god for nothing, organization with spineless Baboons in their ranks !! And yes – You cannot deny this !!!

War, on the other hand, is an armed conflict between nations or nationalities or social/cultural groups.

As you forgot to mention, please let me note down – War is also between Terrorist Groups and Legal Governments and I come from a country where death penalty was gotten rid of long time ago… I am not for it too, please try to understand this – I don't want to eliminate people / humans here. I am talking purely of Terrorists who actually terrorize humans…

As to your question, I can’t believe there would be no way to get him if we knew where he was.

Well, why would not they take him alive then ??? We all know that his movements in the midst of his own Human shields are been monitored by US Satellites !!

I am not sure about innocent hostages as they seem to be moving around freely – may be it's an act – I don't know I am not CIA…. But, all is good as long as no innocent civilians in USA or Europe dies from another 9/11 or a underground blast… As for the question – Yes… if I know that I could save several thousands of others + ensure that the others can live in peace thereon, I will do it for the sake of the mass……..

I do respect the fact of you not wanting to reply and to be frank, I am getting a bit tired of this bull crap too !!! Bottom line is

1. AI needs to treat all nations, Ethnic groups and individuals the same if they want to be seen as true representatives of the Human Race
2. Terrorists cannot be treated as Humans and should be eliminated given the opportunity with the least cost, for the sake of humanity…..

almost a restating. No “opinion” whatsoever. So yes, all I did was disagree, not form some baseless opinion.

Well, it sure doesn’t sound so !!! Anyways, it is not AI or what they stand for that I am not OK with – i.e. Human Rights as a whole – My issue is with how they get about doing it – where they draw the lines, how they see it etc… See, Animal rights groups would want to save every animal, but, they do understand the importance of having some for meat too – though they will prob. not have them selves.. It is similar here – All Humans are important, but, Terrorists should be gotten rid of and it’s not the way America defines Terrorists (Apart from Bin Laden) Terrorists though may look like Humans, cannot be considered Human – i.e. because they do inhumane acts !!!

Ex. Bin Laden, Piribaharan, Idi amin… But not like America having Ahamadinajad in the list too !!! If so, the worst terror was G. W Bush !!

I did not say that they Neglect regions, What I say is that they mistreat certain regions and play safe with the bigger nations – Do you think they pressure the US government the same way they would the Sri Lankan government ???? AI wants to have economic sanctions in Sri Lanka for getting rid of Piribaharan, but, what sanctions are they talking of to USA for not finding Bin Laden, but killing zillions of innocent in Afghanistan ??? This is the double standards that I am talking of and saying that AI is a Rubbish, god for nothing, organization with spineless Baboons in their ranks !! And yes – You cannot deny this !!!

War, on the other hand, is an armed conflict between nations or nationalities or social/cultural groups.

As you forgot to mention, please let me note down – War is also between Terrorist Groups and Legal Governments and I come from a country where death penalty was gotten rid of long time ago… I am not for it too, please try to understand this – I don’t want to eliminate people / humans here. I am talking purely of Terrorists who actually terrorize humans…

As to your question, I can’t believe there would be no way to get him if we knew where he was.

Well, why would not they take him alive then ??? We all know that his movements in the midst of his own Human shields are been monitored by US Satellites !!

I am not sure about innocent hostages as they seem to be moving around freely – may be it’s an act – I don’t know I am not CIA…. But, all is good as long as no innocent civilians in USA or Europe dies from another 9/11 or a underground blast… As for the question – Yes… if I know that I could save several thousands of others + ensure that the others can live in peace thereon, I will do it for the sake of the mass……..

I do respect the fact of you not wanting to reply and to be frank, I am getting a bit tired of this bull crap too !!! Bottom line is

1. AI needs to treat all nations, Ethnic groups and individuals the same if they want to be seen as true representatives of the Human Race
2. Terrorists cannot be treated as Humans and should be eliminated given the opportunity with the least cost, for the sake of humanity…..

our mothers have suffered.
our father has suffered.
our kids have suffered.
our sisters have suffered.
our brothers have suffered.
our near and dear ones have suffered.
our friends have suffered.

you say give peace a chance.. we say stop killing us peace will prevail.
you say kashmir belong to india.
we say land is occupied by you ….our hearts mind's are independent.
you say you want win hearts and minds of kashmiris..
well then give them their birth right…right to self determination.
you say you are a DEMOCRACY….. we say for us you are the oppressor.
you say you are going to deal with us in a iron fist manner and use whatever force is necessary..
we say we are peaceful and will remain peaceful whatever the provocations may be…we will turn to our lord almighty ALLAH and pray to him help us, help us ,help us…for sure we know once he decides we have gone through enough and we kashmiris need his ALLAHS intervention… that time destruction to the oppressor will be visible to the whole world…

we aren't voilent people …. hospitality and peace is in our culture and runs in our blood… however… we are human's and not animals…you are human's too why to act like animals.

our mothers have suffered.
our father has suffered.
our kids have suffered.
our sisters have suffered.
our brothers have suffered.
our near and dear ones have suffered.
our friends have suffered.

you say give peace a chance.. we say stop killing us peace will prevail.
you say kashmir belong to india.
we say land is occupied by you ….our hearts mind’s are independent.
you say you want win hearts and minds of kashmiris..
well then give them their birth right…right to self determination.
you say you are a DEMOCRACY….. we say for us you are the oppressor.
you say you are going to deal with us in a iron fist manner and use whatever force is necessary..
we say we are peaceful and will remain peaceful whatever the provocations may be…we will turn to our lord almighty ALLAH and pray to him help us, help us ,help us…for sure we know once he decides we have gone through enough and we kashmiris need his ALLAHS intervention… that time destruction to the oppressor will be visible to the whole world…

we aren’t voilent people …. hospitality and peace is in our culture and runs in our blood… however… we are human’s and not animals…you are human’s too why to act like animals.

20 years of conflict have left scars on the people of kashmir, not just the scars some carry from bullet, wounds and tear gas shells but the invisible scars of dealing with daily fear, insecurity and often unreasonable loss. Human rights voilations and voilence have a correlations. The fatalities of non-combatant civilians continue to be a daily occurance. Arbitrary arrests, draconian laws, emergency powers of disturbed area act, torture continue to the rule rather than exception.

20 years of conflict have left scars on the people of kashmir, not just the scars some carry from bullet, wounds and tear gas shells but the invisible scars of dealing with daily fear, insecurity and often unreasonable loss. Human rights voilations and voilence have a correlations. The fatalities of non-combatant civilians continue to be a daily occurance. Arbitrary arrests, draconian laws, emergency powers of disturbed area act, torture continue to the rule rather than exception.