The general problem is that a guy could be in a state where they got the tax credits and the guy benefits. Then the guy moves to another state, finding himself in a state that didn’t get the credits.

Fairness creeps into the conversation and it’s to say this is acceptable....even for a short period of time. Do they intend to keep this practice in place for the next fifty years?

I just don’t see how it passes the logic test. Even the liberal side of the Supreme Court will ask some stupid questions and be more inclined to note this as a tax credit issue and not a health care issue. Taxes at the federal level....have to be level and fair...you can’t invent some gauged system to reward some taxpayers and not others.

It more than half the states, but is it more than half the population? Probably 75% of the population seeing that the Deep Blue states are the biggest population-wise.......That would KILL Obamacare........

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posted on 10/25/2013 6:50:49 AM PDT
by Red Badger
(The only way to defeat liberalism is to give them everything they want......then pick up the pieces.)

Democrats had better accept this “gift horse”. Obamacare is shaping up to be the mother-of-all train wrecks and the Dems are squarely responsible for this mess. It is a political bomb that could damage their party for decades.

If I was a Dem, I’d want to cut my losses as quickly as possible and get beyond Obamacare before things get worse. The lawsuit is a convenient way out.

Apparently the LATimes does not understand that our current President, a "constitutional professor", found power in the constitution that no President or the founders knew was in the constitution. This of course is the power to make law. As Obama says, (paraphrasing) I'll let congress do the right thing, and if not, I will act.

So because congress was so dumb as to not have subsidies with state exchanges, Obama simply made new law. How silly that the states do not understand we now have a King.

“Democrats had better accept this gift horse. Obamacare is shaping up to be the mother-of-all train wrecks and the Dems are squarely responsible for this mess. It is a political bomb that could damage their party for decades.”

You know, whatever damage is done, the Republicans will do their best to make sure it’s not so bad for the Democrats.

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posted on 10/25/2013 6:55:45 AM PDT
by brownsfan
(Behold, the power of government cheese.)

That sure looks to be the case. Just yesterday Issa was on the afternoon Cavuto Show (Fox) and he said words to the effect that “we want to help make this work” (not exact quote but close). It really was an astonishing and self-destructive remark. But then again, that is standard operating procedure for the hapless Republicans. They are beyond stupid.

It all depends on how you interpret “an exchange established by the state.”

That’s the exact words of the stupid law. Republicans are reading it at face value. “The State” meaning like, Virginia. Looking at each state as a separate entity.

Democrats are reading it like “the state”, like “the government.” As in “an exchange from the state” is “an exchange by mother government” and therefore the law applies, and they should get their tax credits.

If the Supreme Court (where it ends up) is honest, they will admit that law says what it says to people who can read.

Or they’ll read it like Democrats, and interpret “a state” as “the state”. Like states have no individual standing, and a state line is just a geographical marker. “

That sure looks to be the case. Just yesterday Issa was on the afternoon Cavuto Show (Fox) and he said words to the effect that we want to help make this work (not exact quote but close). It really was an astonishing and self-destructive remark

My point was that your math is irrelevant (and “moderates” do not equate to “independents”). It is the GOPe that continues to champion “moderates” as the primary target for campaigns. That is the teachings and strategy of Karl Rove (who in my opinion can drop of the face of the Earth straight into Hell at any time).

The so-called moderates aren’t interested in being convinced by conservatives. They vote (i) their emotions - how compassionate their view themselves and (ii) the market “pocket book” - redistribution that feeds their personal compassion/piety.

The best strategy is to get patriotic Americans back in a mood to vote. Moderates aren’t the target.

The “Reagan Democrats” weren’t “moderates”, they believed in a prosperous USA and Reagan delivered.

“The best strategy is to get patriotic Americans back in a mood to vote. Moderates arent the target.”

The moderates I know have voted, and will vote Republican when it’s reasonable. Many didn’t vote Obama in 2012, they either voted 3rd party, or simply didn’t have a presidential selection on their ballot.

The patriotic Americans stepping forward is unlikely. We have about 3 generations of kids who have been indoctrinated to believe in all this Marxist crap.

There are two paths to take. One is to be hardline, hold to what’s near and dear, and don’t negotiate. Take no prisoners as you fade into irrelevance. It’s simple math.

The other is to tread water. Win the elections we can, draw in moderates, attempt to educate them, and make them see conservatism doesn’t mean starving kids, fouling the environment and making slaves of people. While winning those elections, if we don’t take back the schools, we’re doomed no matter what we do.

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posted on 10/25/2013 7:27:44 AM PDT
by brownsfan
(Behold, the power of government cheese.)

I’ve heard that they rigged up registered voting via this platform as well...so if you live in some state this month, and move over to another next month...it’d seem like you’d have to redo your health package, and possibly register to vote in yet another state. Seems like insurance fraud, voter fraud, and such...would go up drastically.

The R, I, and D ratios you keep posting are completely meaningless. For example, the I’s have grown and the R’s have shrunk because conservatives are leaving the R category by the droves. I would have thought you would have known that before spewing your ‘we need to be more moderate’ garbage.

Using your own words ‘let me type this real slow so you can understand’, let’s see how your formula works in the real world:

But 36 states have decided against opening exchanges for now. Although the law permits the federal government to open exchanges instead, it does not say tax credits may be given to those who buy insurance through a federally run exchange.

If the Dems refuse to cave and try and defend Obamacare (again) in the courts, and then the sheep (excuse me I mean the general American citizenry) finally realize how much they will pay under the godless system, they will be crushed at the polls (even with all the voter fraud) as even the “citizenry” won’t forget the most recent pain they experienced and WHO is squarely on record as defending the cause of such pain. Even an average American won’t be that stupid and/or uninformed.

If the Dims do nothing and let the law be struck down finally (thank you in advance, traitor Roberts) then it’s gone anyway.

All that needs to happen is continued problems with the website (keeping national attention on Obamacare) and these legal proceedings to go as well as they have already.

So I’m starting to feel ok about things after all, like recovering from a long spell of diarrhea. But who knows, something might come along to crap all over the country again; it probably will actually so I’m not getting my hopes up too much.

Exactly, and that’s what people like brownsfan should be telling their “moderate” friends.

We can all agree that our healthcare system suffers from outrageous costs which is the primary problem. It’s what to do about the problem that’s debated.

The socialist/communist approach is to make a massive, centralized governmental “solution” that does nothing to actually solve the problem at hand, or really the causes of the problem which are outrageous lawsuits brought for the equivalent of a papercut.

One giant step forward would be to make a “loser pay” system to discourage frivolous lawsuits who’s only real goal is to get out of court settlements, not actually bring “justice”, and all that does is drive up cost of malpractice insurance for doctors (and medical suppliers) who then pass on the hikes to us.

This is what you should be promoting to your “moderate” friends, brownsfan, that, and the idea of portable, tax free health savings accounts.

These two plans would do so much more to make healthcare affordable for everyone than Obamacare. The only losers would be the b*****d lawyers and the Marxists who seek to control everyone’s life through the Federal Government.

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