Iran is now humorously responding to President Obama's request in toy form. “He said he wanted it back, and we will send him one,” joked Reza Kioumarsi of the Ayeh Art Group, which is responsible for the production of the 1/80 scale toy that sells for the equivalent of $4 USD.

[Source: teribon.ir]

Iranian officials are quick to point out that unlike most toys sold in the U.S., these won't be made in China. They'll be produced in Iran using Iranian plastic. The toy replicas will come in a number of different colors and will feature a clear plastic stand with the inscription: "We will put America under our feet.”

To add insult to injury, the Ayeh Art Group is said to have reserved a pink replica to send directly to President Obama.

"You admit he made it worst, yet still come up with excuses for it. What kind of moral relativist passive crap is that, man? "

I am not making excuses for it. The facts are the facts. This thread started for me when someone said "change it back"... Well, back where it was under Bush caused the mess. That is my only point. You cant blame Obama for this mess. At best you can say he made it worse, or is just plain inept (and you may well be right), but it wasnt his fault.

Again, even if Bush "caused" the recession it's Obama who is turning it into a depression.

Hence my original statement. What's the problem again?

quote: You cant blame Obama for this mess

Yes we can and have. Because it IS his fault. He's the President. When it's all said and done, his Presidency will be judged on how effective it was when he was in office, and the status of the nation when he left it.

quote: At best you can say he made it worse

LOL umm how is that any better? Are you just trying to be ironic? You sound like someone tripping over themselves to blindly defend someone.

"Again, even if Bush "caused" the recession it's Obama who is turning it into a depression."

What depression? Its already on its way back up. Damn dood, get some perspective. In the depression we had 25% unemployment and masses of people standing in line for a free bowl of govt. soup. People were hungry, and homeless. How many iPhones and Androids sold in the past 3 years? Depression LOL.

"Yes we can and have. Because it IS his fault. He's the President. When it's all said and done, his Presidency will be judged on how effective it was when he was in office, and the status of the nation when he left it"

If that is your assertion, he took it in a tailspin and (if he is ousted this election) will leave it slowly climbing upward.

" LOL umm how is that any better? Are you just trying to be ironic? You sound like someone tripping over themselves to blindly defend someone."

See posts above. I DONT think he is doing a good job, its just not his fault.

Back up!!?? With INSANE levels of debt and unemployment? You're looking like a fool now. Don't hand me that "new normal" crap either, those are NOT healthy economic indicators no matter how you guys spin it.

I don't think you realize just how screwed we are. We CANNOT have debt and deficits of this level and pretend our economy is healthy.

quote: In the depression we had 25% unemployment and masses of people standing in line for a free bowl of govt. soup.

That was the GREAT depression. Just because things aren't as bad doesn't mean we don't have a depressed economy under Obama. Sheesh, come on! Be reasonable here.

Not that it matters. Even if things DID get that bad under Obama, you apparently would still blame Bush lol.

quote: I DONT think he is doing a good job, its just not his fault.

That might have floated his first year of office. But you're saying that his terms is almost up, and still nothing is his fault?? That's not even possible.

You're nothing but a biased supporter pretending to be objective. I've heard enough out of you.

"Back up!!?? With INSANE levels of debt and unemployment? You're looking like a fool now. Don't hand me that "new normal" crap either, those are NOT healthy economic indicators no matter how you guys spin it."

Calm down man, its not as bad as all that. Yes, the debt is bad, but unemployment isnt anywhere near depression levels and is on the way back down. It was 9.3 last year now 8.5 or 8.6ish. New normal? What are you talking about? dont put words into my mouth. I said we are not in a depression anad that is correct.

"That was the GREAT depression. Just because things aren't as bad doesn't mean we don't have a depressed economy under Obama. Sheesh, come on! Be reasonable here."

Oh, OK, so your saying we arent not in a GREAT depression, only a depression? dood, we arent technically even in a recession. We are in recovery mode. A recession is 3 quarters of negative growth. We are growing somewhere between 2-3% per quarter. Not rapid, not great, but not a recession and defintely not a depression. YOU need to be reasonable.

Agreed about the debt. It has to be fixed and fast, the big question is how.

Nevermind man... You are so extreme to the right that you cant even see the middle with binoculars. You are so caught up in blaming the left that you cant even properly identify the issues. People like you are the problem in this country, you are so far to your side that you cant see any issue objectively. You cant even take someone saying that its not Obama's fault without accusing that person of being some closet liberal. You are too far gone from reality. You are no better than Michael Moore or Nancy Pelosi... Exact same only opposite sides. Think about that.

Try and get some perpective. Being that closed minded isnt helping you any.

Now that's just below the belt. Those are serious fighting words. Do not EVER, EVER , put me next to those people.

quote: Calm down man, its not as bad as all that.

It IS that bad, and I cannot calm down.

We are so fucked. It's not my fault that others, like you, don't care. If you cared, and had the intelligence to see what was happening, you should be an "extremist" too.

quote: People like you are the problem in this country

Oh that's really fair. How dare you! I'm not in Congress or running the Treasury. It's such a cliche for someone on the Internet to label someone who doesn't agree with them "part of the problem". Get new material.

"Now that's just below the belt. Those are serious fighting words. Do not EVER, EVER , put me next to those people."

It was meant to be below the belt. It is also correct. If it helps, you are the opposite side, but not better. Lets see here...

Pelosi and Moore.

1. So extreme to the left that they cant even see the middle - check2. So caught up in blaming the right that they cant even properly identify the issues. - check3. People like them are the problem in this country, they are so far to their side that they cant see any issue objectively. - check4. They are too far gone from reality. - check

Yup, I stand behind what I said. Change the lefts to rights and it describes you to a tee.

"We are so fucked. It's not my fault that others, like you, don't care. If you cared, and had the intelligence to see what was happening, you should be an "extremist" too."

Now you are offending me. Dont think for a second that I dont care. I care a great deal. I love my country. Just becasue I am not running around like Chicken Little and Glen Beck screaming that the sky is falling doesnt mean I dont care. The sky is not falling. We need to fix our overspending, yes, but life will go on. America will go on. The things that make this country great wont go away because we elected one "damn libral" to the white house FFS!.

Have some faith in the country you claim to love and gain some perspective... It's not the left fault, nor is it the rights. Its ALL OF THEM... You small minded people, both the left blaming the right and the right blaming the left are all exacerbating the problems and fixing nothing. thats Congress in a nutshell. You'd fit right in.

A nerve? No you're just straight up personally attacking me constantly and making judgments about my character over this. You shifted from the topic to dissecting me, and if I defend myself then I'm stuck playing your game while also lending credibility to your claims. So I just chose not to.

"you're just straight up personally attacking me constantly and making judgments about my character over this. You shifted from the topic to dissecting me"

I apologize if you felt that way... It is just that I think you are full of it. You are more interested in blaming the left than really discussing the issues here. This isnt the first time we have gone at it over politics. You always want to blame everything on the left...

Seriously... Consider this - In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall and America was looking like a joke to the international community... The Rep's had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years and they had control of Congress for 14 of the previous 16 years. You cannot possibly blame everything on the Dems, when the Reps have had the huge majority of control in the modern era. The argument just cannot be made.

Back to reality - again, we are not in a depression. The depression had 25% unemployment and many middle class Americans standing in soup lines just to get a meal. This "depression" had 10 % unemployment (now down to 8.6%) and during it, we sold 10's of millions of iPhones and Androids, with no mass "feed the hungry" projects required in America. This is nothing anywhere near a depression, and I refuse to run around like Chicken Little and Glen Beck and cry how the sky is falling and its all Obama's fault. That view is so narrow minded that I cannot begin to relate and I admit, I probably do come off condescending against it, because I truly feel it's ridiculous.

I really don't know where you get this stuff. You agreed with me that Obama made things worst. You said that several times didn't you? Now suddenly the discussion is all about me and you're twisting everything to nothing being his fault?

quote: Seriously... Consider this - In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall and America was looking like a joke to the international community...

A joke? If you think we were a joke then, how about now? Iran is blatantly trolling us, Obama is being called an assassin, and Europe is collapsing. As far as Obama, are we in better shape today than 4 years ago? You seem to think we are somehow. Let's examine some facts.

Yeah that's a great job Obama has done. But you'll just keep towing the party line and blaming Bush and somehow tying in the past 28 years of Republican majority as to somehow causing all this. Go ahead, I know you want to.

What are you trying to prove? How bad it is now? Yes, it is bad, not a "Depression" but of course, people are hurting. Do you seriously think the economy works that fast that Obama affected it??? We are still dealing with things that Reagen, Bush, Clinton and Bush2 did (good and bad). You act as if your perfect candidate (lets just say an ideal perfect conservative) could have taken the reigns in Jan 2009 and stopped the umpteen trillion dollar housing crash. Dood, you cant possibly not see that Obama didn't cause this mess. The making of this mess precedes him by years. Not months, YEARS, and not just 1 or 2 years. Several years. The bad thing Obama and the dems did on this, was the stimulus - 1.2 trillion or whatever. You cant possibly imagine that the current deficit is up PRIMARILY because tax revenue is down because too many people are out of work and under employed and that all started WAY before anything Obama did could have taken effect. No, its all the lefts fault, even though they have barely had time to do anything. It just doesn't work that fast. years from now, we will be feeling the effects of Obama and the current congresses actions, and I believe it wont be great... But you? You are so blindly trying to blame the left that you cant see straight. You have lost all sense of perspective and just blindly blame without any logic at all. You are starting to sound too much like Glen Beck for me.

WOW you have pulled a total 180. You DIRECTLY said that you believed Obama made it worst. You said that. Now I'm "Glenn Beck" and we get this....

quote: Do you seriously think the economy works that fast that Obama affected it???

What kind of flip flopping act is that man? You have no backbone or integrity. You can't even stand by the things you said 24 hours ago.

You've lost all credibility when you completely balk on something that came out of your own mouth, and then resort to making personal attacks on me. What's happened to you? Your entire sentence structure is even falling apart. Run on sentences, bad punctuation. Hell you're not even using paragraphs anymore. Have you been drinking? It's like you're not even the same guy you were yesterday.

No I'm not drunk. I was in a super hurry trying to leave work. There is no flip flopping. I think what Obama did will make matters worse, but he didnt cause it, it all happened long before he came and we are now seeing the results. What is so hard to grasp about that? Freegin economics 101. I have been saying it over and over.

Nice avoidance of the issues though. I would just paste exactly the same thing I pasted in the last comment, but you'll just avoid that as well. I think my arguments are sound here and you have no answer.

dont put me where you think I am... I am no apologist, I dont give a rats arse about Obama... I dont give a crap about Hitler either , but I dont blame him for world war 1. WW2, sure, but not 1. I am calling you out on your blind one sidedness and again, you avoid the issues. You keep saying nothing to the points I owned you with.

Because they aren't points. They are lies. Find where I blamed him for the recession starting? I specifically said it's not his fault. I did, however, say he made it worst. Something YOU AGREED WITH. If you're hung up on my use of "depression" for dramatic effect, fine, we're NOT in a depression and never were under his term. Feel better? Still doesn't change the fact that what he DID do, further wrecked this economy.

OK, we agree on that.... Now. In Jan 2009 when Obama took office the economy was in a freefall. The Rep's had the oval office for 20 of the previous 28 years and they had control of Congress for 14 of the previous 16 years. You cannot possibly blame everything on the Dems, when the Reps have had the huge majority of control in the modern era.

What can the paragraph above mean then? Why did the economy tank and who was in charge when it tanked? Go ahead, I know you know, but you really need to say it. Not for me, but for your own self you need to say it.

"If you're hung up on my use of "depression" for dramatic effect"

No, I am hung up on your always blaming everything that is wrong in this country on the left when the left hasnt been in charge hardly at all in recent history. Somehow the reps have had all the power and all the control, yet nothing is their fault. How can that be?