If NASA faked the moon landings, does the agency have any credibility at all? Was the Space Shuttle program also a hoax? Is the International Space Station another one? Do not dismiss these hypotheses offhand. Check out our wider NASA research and make up your own mind about it all.

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — Sixteen years after Christa McAuliffe and six other astronauts died in the Challenger explosion, NASA announced Friday that McAuliffe's fellow teacher and one-time understudy Barbara Morgan will ride aboard a shuttle in 2004.http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nat ... eacher.htm

But perhaps this lady named "Sharon A. Mc Auliffe" - attorney at the Syracuse University College of Law, is just a coincidental namesake of NASA-space-teacher Sharon Christ-A Mc Auliffe? Sure, why not? Everything is possible. SharonMcAuliffe_SYRACUSE_01.PNG

Maat, darn it, I think you are right again. There is something very "in the family" about NASA, but the two Resnik ladies with nearly identical names and similar features may be played or lived by different people.

I don't preclude the possibility of retroactively changing an earlier version of someone, in order to force differences, but that's just forcing the point of similarity where evidence beyond a name doesn't exist — and I would resent doing that.

This reminds me of the countless times we have, after viewing evidence of it, suspected multiple people playing the same role in a news story. Only this time, it seems it could be multiple people in the role, playing "versions" of that character's life without worrying about the continuity errors. How bizarre! Yet, it is just what we might suspect of a group of people trying to use the mantra "practice makes perfect" to develop their lying skills. Perhaps a certain type are chosen for the Resnik role as a litmus test of the public's (in)ability to notice the blatant.

McAuliffe’s 92-year-old mother, Millie, was not well enough to travel, but she watched the event via a live feed to her Syracuse, N.Y, nursing home, said Sharon McAuliffe, a cousin. In the viewing stands in Richmond, Sharon McAuliffe showed off a photo her sister had sent from the nursing home where she was watching with Millie: the governor’s mother singing “God Bless America” along with the choir on her TV screen.

“Her quote since November has been, ‘Can you believe it that my son is going to be the governor of Virginia?’ ” Sharon McAuliffe said. “She was not well enough to travel, but she is in­cred­ibly competent. She watches CNN all the time. She was watching and praying for the entire election.”

Turns out he is friends with the Clintons and is a strong Gun Control advocate. Are all these psyops related? From Apollo to Sandy Hook . . .

He studied law at the Georgetown University Law Center from 1970 to 1973. He was a captain in the U.S. Army JAG Corps from 1973-77. From 1977-80, he was an assistant attorney general in New Hampshire. He was in private practice in Concord, New Hampshire from 1980 until his appointment to the federal bench in 1992 by President George H. W. Bush. He became Chief Judge of the New Hampshire district in 2004 on the expiration of Paul J. Barbadoro's term as Chief Judge, serving in that capacity until 2011. He took senior status on April 1, 2013.

Originally from Massachusetts, McAuliffe now lives in Concord, New Hampshire, where he serves as a Federal judge. Steve continues to serve as a Founding Director for Challenger Center for Space Science Education. He has two children, Scott and Caroline. In 1992, he married Kathleen E. McAuliffe.

He graduated from - Virginia Military Institute and Georgetown University

hoi.polloi wrote:Maat, darn it, I think you are right again. There is something very "in the family" about NASA, but the two Resnik ladies with nearly identical names and similar features may be played or lived by different people.

I don't preclude the possibility of retroactively changing an earlier version of someone, in order to force differences, but that's just forcing the point of similarity where evidence beyond a name doesn't exist — and I would resent doing that.

This reminds me of the countless times we have, after viewing evidence of it, suspected multiple people playing the same role in a news story. Only this time, it seems it could be multiple people in the role, playing "versions" of that character's life without worrying about the continuity errors. How bizarre! Yet, it is just what we might suspect of a group of people trying to use the mantra "practice makes perfect" to develop their lying skills. Perhaps a certain type are chosen for the Resnik role as a litmus test of the public's (in)ability to notice the blatant.

Yes Hoi, I was starting to look up family (nutwork) connections with Governor McAuliffe as well; now well noted by Simon & Starbucked.

Then Antipodean's finding that C-SPAN video of Yale Judith Resnik at age 52 made it easier to compare those two. So unless a fine-featured woman's eye spacing, mouth, jaw, hands etc. can be changed and become butch with age, guess they just named* their NASA "doll" (relative) after her too?

*Ockham's principle of economy: Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora [It is futile to do with more things that which can be done with fewer] — Summa Totius Logicae, i. 12

Of course we know there are no coincidences in anything connected with the nutwork’s hoaxes; there is always a reason. The tricky part is deducing the most plausible/practical explanation, with the least assumptions, from all available evidence.

Maat wrote:*Ockham's principle of economy: Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora [It is futile to do with more things that which can be done with fewer] — Summa Totius Logicae, i. 12

Of course we know there are no coincidences in anything connected with the nutwork’s hoaxes; there is always a reason. The tricky part is deducing the most plausible/practical explanation, with the least assumptions, from all available evidence.

Many people have compared Christa's death with the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the inspiration of her youth. There are differences, but for the people of Concord—even for the nation as a whole—the comparison is valid. She stood for what was best in us at a time when we wanted to believe that the American spirit was reborn. That makes her death hard.

He was taken out by the CIA and she worked for the CIA? That's the only comparison I could possibly make.

Steven James McAuliffe is a Senior United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of New Hampshire. He is the widower of Christa McAuliffe, one of the victims of the 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. WikipediaEducation: Georgetown University Law Center (1970-1973)Spouse: Christa McAuliffe (m. 1970–1986)

What are the odds that Astronots Judith and Christa both married in 1970 and their husbands both attended attended the same law school, at the same time?

They almost certainly would have crossed paths!Can you imagine, drinking beers in Law School with some guy you just met and not realizing that your wives would both eventually blow up on the Space Shuttle together? How fucking ASTONISHING would that be! Cheers!

A panel discussion will follow the screening and will feature the film’s director, Doug Liman, a Lustman Visiting Fellow at Davenport College and a board member of the Liman Public Interest Program, which was established in honor of his father, the late Arthur Liman ’57. Also joining the panel are Emily Bazelon ’00, senior editor for Slate magazine and Truman Capote Fellow at Yale Law School; Gordon Edelstein, artistic director at Long Wharf Theater; Stan Crock, journalist; and Arthur Liman Professor of Law Judith Resnik, who has a cameo in the film.

Fair Game is a thriller based on the autobiography of Valerie Plame, an undercover agent whose CIA career was ended and marriage strained when her covert identity was divulged by White House officials allegedly out to retaliate against her husband, Joe Wilson. Wilson, in a now-famous 2003 New York Times opinion piece, questioned the Bush administration’s claims that Iraq was attempting to purchase uranium from Niger to manufacture nuclear weapons and challenged the administration’s rationale for going to war. It stars Naomi Watts and Sean Penn.

Ref. The nuke-liar propaganda / Controlled Opposition PsyOp they called the “Plame Affair” 2002 & Valerie Plame with her "story" on IMDb video

Also, Yale Judith Resnik is married to another Yale law professor, Dennis E Curtis, per this NYU Alumna page & NYTimes article review of their book, Representing Justice: Invention, Controversy, and Rights in City-States and Democratic Courtrooms, on "the art and iconography of justice" and how "the changing imagery reflects the impact of democracy on courts.”(Slide show of the book images.)

Education B.S., U.S. Naval Academy LL.B., Yale UniversityBiographyDennis Curtis is the Yale University Clinical Professor Emeritus of Law and Professorial Lecturer in Law. He is an expert in professional responsibility, legal professions, campaign financing, sentencing, and parole and post-conviction remedies. He received his B.S. from the U.S. Naval Academy and his LL.B. from Yale.

Strangely, the printing quality of the book on Amazon is extremely poor; full of typeset spacing errors (with only Editorial reviews on it, none from any Amazon buyers). So if the “Look Inside” previews are scans of the actual pages, it's pretty crappy for an “award winning” hardcover at $76 new! Does Yale University Press suck that badly?

e.g.Judith-Resnik-D-Curtis-book.jpg

********************************************************************************************As a final note, it's interesting that in 2008, when Yale Judith Resnik was receiving her award from Bryn Mawr College, the first entry on that page is about the president-elect of Bryn Mawr for that year, former dean of Georgetown College: Jane Dammen McAuliffe (husband: Dennis McAuliffe).

Whether or not the Islamic Scholar McAuliffe is actually connected with the Governor McAuliffe clan as well, both the McAuliffe & Resnik names were already well imprinted/instilled in the cultural psyche by the 1986 TV "space drama" — so those names would have immediate associative effects thereafter and inevitably used (wittingly or unwittingly) to the nutworks’ advantage.

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*Picking up the subject raised earlier of whether any real film by witnesses of “shuttle launches” exists, I came across 2 videos of Discovery’s last “launch” in Feb 2011, supposedly taken by “lucky” witnesses from airplanes.

The first one, by Neil Monday (“software developer”), gave me a 9/11 déjà vu (à la “Bob & Bri’s What We Saw” etc.) by the dialogue; telling you what to see ("how fast”) and upholding the propagandised assumption that real spectators were actually allowed near the launch site:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_USPTmYXM

0:13: Neil: “Look how fast it’s going man, look how fast…” [faster than what? A bicycle? ]0:46: 2nd guy: “That is remarkable, I’ve never — I, actually sat at the VIP section and watched it launch, but I’ve never seen it from the air” [Oh really! ]

Watching a space shuttle launch from an airplane is a rare thrill, and having a video camera at the ready for the event is rarer still. So I was amazed to see last week's iPhone view of the shuttle Discovery's launch, captured by software developer Neil Monday from a commercial jet leaving Orlando. Turns out I shouldn't have been all that amazed: Canadian photographer JD Howell caught another view of last Thursday's launch with his own iPhone, from a different plane that happened to be passing through nearby airspace.

"I was returning to Toronto from a shoot in Cuba on an Air Canada flight, and awoke just as it was happening," Howell told me in an e-mail. "I started rolling my iPhone and caught two minutes of it before it exited the atmosphere. Talk about timing!"

The fact that this was Discovery's final launch made the experience all the more special for Howell. And as the mission continues, more photographers are turning their cameras skyward and praying for perfect timing.

French astrophotographer Thierry Legault, who's become renowned for his pictures of the International Space Station and space shuttles silhouetted by the sun, snapped a sequence of images showing Discovery's approach to the station on Saturday. [ref http://www.astrophoto.fr/STS-133.html]

Plus, the “view from plane” video of the "Atlantis shuttle launch" in 2010 — possibly the “video” Neil Monday referred to in his Daily Mail story: “I remember seeing another video on YouTube of a shuttle launch filmed from an airplane, and I thought it was one of the coolest things I had ever seen.”

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1SmCnElDa0

Uploaded on Jan 9, 2011Atlantis shuttle launch from Cape Canaveral, FL viewed from Southwest Flight #0921 on May 14th, 2010, flying from BWI to Ft. Lauderdale. The flight was redirected inland to stay out of the launch path. The plane is about 10 miles from the shuttle launch.

There are 6 other dubious "view from plane" videos of shuttle launches on Youtube by "amateurs" which, even if any were of a presumed "shuttle" launch, show nothing but a smoke/con trail that could be anything shot into the sky (to ultimately drop into the ocean).

Atlantis:http://youtu.be/sPRKkX2GJnc: Uploaded on Sep 2, 2011"A pilot in the area was able to shoot this video with his iPhone. It is a great video of Atlantis piercing the clouds on its way to low earth orbit and a rendevous with the ISS and the final launch all the space shuttles. STS135. Zoomed in view at the end of the video."

Endeavour: Uploaded on May 16, 2011

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWsT95UVuI"Took this video of the space shuttle Endeavours final launching ever on May 16 2011 on flight from Ft Laurderdale Florida to White Plains New York"

The only thing that I will add is that it certainly appears that there's been some 'funny business' going on with the family trees of these individuals. For instance Ronald McNair apparently had two Brothers called Carl S. and Eric A. McNair.

I would like to invite our readers to assess and evaluate for themselves whether or not it is a realistic possibility that (almost) ALL of the purported victims of the 1986 "Challenger disaster" are still alive and well - by reading the last four pages or so of this thread, starting from here - including this present post, which I submit as a 'summary' of sorts. I find this particular line of research quite interesting, insofar that it may help us all understand the mechanisms of 'psy-op vicsim creation' - as well as the astonishing boldness (or carelessness / arrogance?) with which they are concocted and carried out. To be sure, out of the many topics debated on Cluesforum, this particular investigation has had (as they always should) its fair share of controversies - even within the ranks of our most trusted contributors; I think that this 'check-and-balance-methodology' we keep observing on this forum is all-positive and, in fact, essential to uphold a high level of discourse and objectivity. So thanks to all.

Let me now take you through the latest findings concerning the "Challenger crew" which supposedly perished back in 1986. So far, we have been concentrating on the two lady "crew members", Judith Resnik and Sharon 'Christa' Mc Auliffe. We have seen that the two "female NASA martyrs" appear to be still alive and well, both enjoying successful Law University positions and careers - while (astonishingly enough) still using pretty much their own names - i.e. the names & surnames with which they briefly became international celebrities - as the "NASA martyrs of the Challenger disaster". So what about the five male members of the "ill-fated crew"?

Well, it so appears that four of them may possibly also still be quite alive and well - but let's take a look at them, one by one.

Interestingly - for our regular Cluesforum readers - UW (the University of Wisconsin, Madison) is the workplace of the 'controversial conspiracy-Professor' Kevin Barrett: http://www.news.wisc.edu/barrettissue/ As some will know, Barrett and his buddy Jim Fetzer regularly give lectures at the UW - about 9/11 conspiracies and such crazy things... http://mujca.com/bbc.htm

A fellow named Richard Scobee - who bears a striking resemblance (30-year timelapse considered) to the "Challenger's Commander Richard 'Dick' Scobee" is to be found, alive and well, as the CEO of a company called "Cows in Trees". Here's the company's website intro, featuring a rocket-powered cow swirling around smoke in the sky - much like the Challenger Shuttle as it was seen exploding in mid-air (on TV) :http://www.cowsintrees.com/

Incidentally yet interestingly, the son of "Challenger Commander" Richard Scobee (Brigadier General Richard W. Scobee, USAF) is, today, the deputy director of operations for NORAD (which, of course, was 'accused of having failed to intercept the hijacked planes on 9/11"). Small world.

Now, the next two (seemingly-still-alive-Challenger-crew-members) are a bit of a different matter: these two look-alikes both claim to be BROTHERS of the two respective Challenger martyrs - yet both bear a striking resemblance to their allegedly deceased-back-in-1986 brothers. Could the two of them possibly just pretend to be ... the brothers of themselves?

Here we have an article featuring both Carl and Claude- in Space Science Week:

"Carl McNair and Claude Onizuka will celebrate the heroic legacies of their respective brothers, Ronald McNair and Ellison Onizuka, NASA astronauts who perished in the 1986 Challenger mission. They have championed their astronaut brothers as role models and have encouraged students from disadvantaged backgrounds to enter academic programs in science, technology, engineering and math."http://www.hawaii.edu/news/2012/03/02/s ... ence-week/

Last - but not least, of course, here are two side-by-side / "timelapse-picture comparisons" of the two ladies we have amply debated about in the previous four pages of this thread. I submit to your judgment that, however hard it is to determine whether these two face-comparisons depict the same two women (30-year timelapse considered), it is not beyond the realm of plausibility that they could indeed be the very same individuals:

Those wacky Badgers from Wisconsin-Madison also run the Ice Cube Observatory at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. The team of Badgers are looking for those timid little chargeless and (nearly) massless particles that made Pauli's equations work so well. Fermi, before he built his pile of shit in ci cago, taught us to call the sneaky bastards "neutrinos"...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Ne ... bservatory