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Atlantis,
I don't know about UFO critters and you're probably right about them. My own theory is that psychological effects are due to a paradigm shattering experience (e.g. encountering something in the sky that shouldn't be there doing what it's doing based on how you were raised to understand the world) that knocks the experiencer off his/her center of habitual focus of awareness such that new perceptual potentials are experienced; which can be inspiring or depressing, depending on how s/he processes being bumped off home base (potentially forever if the experience is powerful enough). These same psychological effects are observed in people who have had powerful experiences of normal origin (combat, massive natural disasters such floods and tornados, rape/assault, psychedelics, deep faith, true love, and NDE, loss of a truly loved one and on and on). IMO, the effects are not caused by the UFO itself. Rather, it is the unfolding of innate perceptual capabilities caused by a blow to the ego structure.

However, one of my areas of paranormal study, off and on, has been demonic or spirit possession and obsession. I think it is a real thing based on the evidence and in many instances the victim is, indeed, controlled; sometimes thoroughly. The victim could probably, theoretically, break the control, but at a certain point that becomes practically very difficult.

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Okay here goes, this is what I do know (what I saw). I lived in Miami, Florida, it was summer, a clear day (middle of the day). I was about 9 years old. We had a large home w/a back house (the back house was 2 stories w/ an outside staircase).

I was watching cartoons & I heard my mom call me to the back (outside). She was up on the outside staircase & she said, "Virgie, come up here, look at this." Now, when your mom (in those days) asked you something you paid attention (because I'm from the time/ kids are to be seen & not heard).

I got up the stairs & looking towards downtown Miami, now understand this is in the mid 60's and there were no high rises back in those days, we probably had the biggest house at that time (more or less) and if I stood on the roof I could see pretty far. We were a few house down from Biscayne bay.

Okay so up the stairs I go & look off into the distance, I could see a few little black dots. My mom said are those birds? I wanted to get back to my cartoons, so I said yes, mother those are birds. It was then that she said, "are you sure?"

Now, understand it was a rare thing for parents (at least mine) to be asking for MY evaluation of a subject~ AND, if they said "are you sure?" You better be sure. So, I'm standing there looking & looking they are coming closer & closer (slowly). There were 3 in formation.

As they got pretty close about 1 block over, OMG I could see they were flying saucers. No noise just floating towards us. I was terrified, terrified doesn't do it justice I was.... TERRIFIED. Now, I was raised in the church & believed all that, sang in the choir & all that. So, I knelt down by my moms legs and started praying to God & Jesus.

I mean I PRAYED my heart out like I never prayed before. I told God if he just made them go away I'd never be bad in my entire life. Now, understand I actually believed (because that is what I was taught) God would answer prayers. I prayed so hard, that I KNEW, I KNEW they would be gone when I got back up.

Slowly I rose, opening my eyes, big smile sure they would be gone. AH HELL NO! They were right over our house! Here I am right out there on the outside staircase perfect target for their ray guns I was sure. I looked at my mom, who seemed to be in a daze of some kind. Her hand was shading her eyes from the bright sun, her dress blowing in the breeze. I didn't know what to do. I just stood paralyzed. TERRIFIED (and any of you who wish to see a UFO you got no idea what you are wishing for).

I could see inside the craft. It made no sound, just kind of floated, it was a round saucer, silver in color. BUT, I could see the people in there. There were 2 (what looked like) smaller ones sitting down driving the thing (maybe a panel in front of them) & a taller one standing behind the 2 smaller ones.

It was then, I heard in my head, "do not worry we are not going to hurt you." SUDDENLY, I was not afraid, I thought okay, maybe we can be friends (look I'm about 9 so not a scientist). ANYWAY, I was then happy for a second because I began to think this might be something special or important & I could make friends.

This message came telepathically to me, and I knew it was from one of the smaller ones that was driving the thing. Just as I'm getting kind of happy about it all. The tall one in back (who to me seemed to be in charge/ and I got the idea he was like a scientist/ or like a researcher/ definitely in charge). HE said to the little one (again telepathically) "don't bother with them, they are nasty".

Now, I'm trying to put into words what he said, because this is coming not like words but I knew EXACTLY what he was saying. Something like "we were lower than dirt" was my first impression actually.

WELL! That was rude, so I thought back, "HEY! I'm not bad!" That tall one slowly turned towards me. See, by now they were floating between our house & the next house (towards the bay).

OMG! I was sure I was going to be hit by a death ray for sure. But, I just shut down my thinking. Oh also, when he told the little ones not to bother with us. They (the little one) like "turned off". Like he had total control over them, just like a light switch.

Here is the odd part (as if that wasn't enough)... my mom seemed to be in a trance. She was still standing w/her hand shielding her eyes from the sun. I was next to her pulling on her dress saying MOM! MOM!

Slowly she just walked passed me onward up the stairs! I was like MOM! MOM! We have to do something!! She just looked at me like dreamy like... I kept at her MOM! We have to call someone!

She said, "oh you can call Homestead air force base." I was like WTH? Because in those days, the kids didn't use the phone (parents did)~ How the hell would I call Homestead Air force base!? I'm a kid!

She just breezed back into the back house! I was left with what just happened!? I told my family at dinner that night, everyone looked at my mom & she just had this smile on her face. Nobody said anything.

Now, I wish this didn't happen. I hate it happened, I never told anyone because you'll look like a NUT! I well know this. I have tried to come up with any reason why this DIDN'T happen. Like am I crazy? No, because if you're crazy you see all kinds of weird stuff (I've never seen another craft). I've been in law enforcement, accounting... I'm just I don't know me. I'm not a liar either.

I'm not telling anyone like the general public, I don't need the nonsense comebacks. But, now that I'm older I'm not as scared to tell people what I saw. Because, now I wonder something, how come my mom was in a trance & not me?

I thought it might be because I closed my eyes & was praying my heart out so they didn't put the whammy on me (?) I have no idea. This thing that they are .... evil beings like demons... I don't think so. They are those ugly little ones with the big eyes. I remember those horrible big eyes. ugh.

I don't know guys. All I can advise is this, if you come upon them, keep something going in your mind, like a mantra or prayer so they can't hypnotize you. Maybe it is us in the future, but I didn't get that feeling. I got a feeling they came from somewhere else/ were not us. Not humans like us. They seemed military-ish (?).

BTW, I swear to God this is true, I would never swear to God & lie. I'm just telling you so maybe one day... we can figure out what this is. Yes, I also wondered if it was our own military (years later thinking about it) but I don't think so because they could communicate telepathically. That's all I got.

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hum, well a lot of bully's don't seem to have a "sense" of anything, not even the fact they are an ass. Maybe it's just the few "bully's" I've encountered. LOL (I really got to get a better class of bully's).

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Okay here goes, this is what I do know (what I saw). I lived in Miami, Florida, it was summer, a clear day (middle of the day). I was about 9 years old. We had a large home w/a back house (the back house was 2 stories w/ an outside staircase).

I was watching cartoons & I heard my mom call me to the back (outside). She was up on the outside staircase & she said, "Virgie, come up here, look at this." Now, when your mom (in those days) asked you something you paid attention (because I'm from the time/ kids are to be seen & not heard).

I got up the stairs & looking towards downtown Miami, now understand this is in the mid 60's and there were no high rises back in those days, we probably had the biggest house at that time (more or less) and if I stood on the roof I could see pretty far. We were a few house down from Biscayne bay.

Okay so up the stairs I go & look off into the distance, I could see a few little black dots. My mom said are those birds? I wanted to get back to my cartoons, so I said yes, mother those are birds. It was then that she said, "are you sure?"

Now, understand it was a rare thing for parents (at least mine) to be asking for MY evaluation of a subject~ AND, if they said "are you sure?" You better be sure. So, I'm standing there looking & looking they are coming closer & closer (slowly). There were 3 in formation.

As they got pretty close about 1 block over, OMG I could see they were flying saucers. No noise just floating towards us. I was terrified, terrified doesn't do it justice I was.... TERRIFIED. Now, I was raised in the church & believed all that, sang in the choir & all that. So, I knelt down by my moms legs and started praying to God & Jesus.

I mean I PRAYED my heart out like I never prayed before. I told God if he just made them go away I'd never be bad in my entire life. Now, understand I actually believed (because that is what I was taught) God would answer prayers. I prayed so hard, that I KNEW, I KNEW they would be gone when I got back up.

Slowly I rose, opening my eyes, big smile sure they would be gone. AH HELL NO! They were right over our house! Here I am right out there on the outside staircase perfect target for their ray guns I was sure. I looked at my mom, who seemed to be in a daze of some kind. Her hand was shading her eyes from the bright sun, her dress blowing in the breeze. I didn't know what to do. I just stood paralyzed. TERRIFIED (and any of you who wish to see a UFO you got no idea what you are wishing for).

I could see inside the craft. It made no sound, just kind of floated, it was a round saucer, silver in color. BUT, I could see the people in there. There were 2 (what looked like) smaller ones sitting down driving the thing (maybe a panel in front of them) & a taller one standing behind the 2 smaller ones.

It was then, I heard in my head, "do not worry we are not going to hurt you." SUDDENLY, I was not afraid, I thought okay, maybe we can be friends (look I'm about 9 so not a scientist). ANYWAY, I was then happy for a second because I began to think this might be something special or important & I could make friends.

This message came telepathically to me, and I knew it was from one of the smaller ones that was driving the thing. Just as I'm getting kind of happy about it all. The tall one in back (who to me seemed to be in charge/ and I got the idea he was like a scientist/ or like a researcher/ definitely in charge). HE said to the little one (again telepathically) "don't bother with them, they are nasty".

Now, I'm trying to put into words what he said, because this is coming not like words but I knew EXACTLY what he was saying. Something like "we were lower than dirt" was my first impression actually.

WELL! That was rude, so I thought back, "HEY! I'm not bad!" That tall one slowly turned towards me. See, by now they were floating between our house & the next house (towards the bay).

OMG! I was sure I was going to be hit by a death ray for sure. But, I just shut down my thinking. Oh also, when he told the little ones not to bother with us. They (the little one) like "turned off". Like he had total control over them, just like a light switch.

Here is the odd part (as if that wasn't enough)... my mom seemed to be in a trance. She was still standing w/her hand shielding her eyes from the sun. I was next to her pulling on her dress saying MOM! MOM!

Slowly she just walked passed me onward up the stairs! I was like MOM! MOM! We have to do something!! She just looked at me like dreamy like... I kept at her MOM! We have to call someone!

She said, "oh you can call Homestead air force base." I was like WTH? Because in those days, the kids didn't use the phone (parents did)~ How the hell would I call Homestead Air force base!? I'm a kid!

She just breezed back into the back house! I was left with what just happened!? I told my family at dinner that night, everyone looked at my mom & she just had this smile on her face. Nobody said anything.

Now, I wish this didn't happen. I hate it happened, I never told anyone because you'll look like a NUT! I well know this. I have tried to come up with any reason why this DIDN'T happen. Like am I crazy? No, because if you're crazy you see all kinds of weird stuff (I've never seen another craft). I've been in law enforcement, accounting... I'm just I don't know me. I'm not a liar either.

I'm not telling anyone like the general public, I don't need the nonsense comebacks. But, now that I'm older I'm not as scared to tell people what I saw. Because, now I wonder something, how come my mom was in a trance & not me?

I thought it might be because I closed my eyes & was praying my heart out so they didn't put the whammy on me (?) I have no idea. This thing that they are .... evil beings like demons... I don't think so. They are those ugly little ones with the big eyes. I remember those horrible big eyes. ugh.

I don't know guys. All I can advise is this, if you come upon them, keep something going in your mind, like a mantra or prayer so they can't hypnotize you. Maybe it is us in the future, but I didn't get that feeling. I got a feeling they came from somewhere else/ were not us. Not humans like us. They seemed military-ish (?).

BTW, I swear to God this is true, I would never swear to God & lie. I'm just telling you so maybe one day... we can figure out what this is. Yes, I also wondered if it was our own military (years later thinking about it) but I don't think so because they could communicate telepathically. That's all I got.

Great story, Atlantis. It was very generous of you to write and share.

One reason UFO intelligences induce trance states is to circumvent fatal trauma. The threshold varies from person to person, but ^They are fully capable of monitoring and influencing conscious thought and autonomic nervous system functions. The mechanism isn't clear, but I have experienced it. This is the operative (not necessarily exclusive) dynamic underlying many "missing time" events.

hum, well a lot of bully's don't seem to have a "sense" of anything, not even the fact they are an ass. Maybe it's just the few "bully's" I've encountered. LOL (I really got to get a better class of bully's).

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Okay here goes, this is what I do know (what I saw). I lived in Miami, Florida, it was summer, a clear day (middle of the day). I was about 9 years old. We had a large home w/a back house (the back house was 2 stories w/ an outside staircase).

I was watching cartoons & I heard my mom call me to the back (outside). She was up on the outside staircase & she said, "Virgie, come up here, look at this." Now, when your mom (in those days) asked you something you paid attention (because I'm from the time/ kids are to be seen & not heard).

I got up the stairs & looking towards downtown Miami, now understand this is in the mid 60's and there were no high rises back in those days, we probably had the biggest house at that time (more or less) and if I stood on the roof I could see pretty far. We were a few house down from Biscayne bay.

Okay so up the stairs I go & look off into the distance, I could see a few little black dots. My mom said are those birds? I wanted to get back to my cartoons, so I said yes, mother those are birds. It was then that she said, "are you sure?"

Now, understand it was a rare thing for parents (at least mine) to be asking for MY evaluation of a subject~ AND, if they said "are you sure?" You better be sure. So, I'm standing there looking & looking they are coming closer & closer (slowly). There were 3 in formation.

As they got pretty close about 1 block over, OMG I could see they were flying saucers. No noise just floating towards us. I was terrified, terrified doesn't do it justice I was.... TERRIFIED. Now, I was raised in the church & believed all that, sang in the choir & all that. So, I knelt down by my moms legs and started praying to God & Jesus.

I mean I PRAYED my heart out like I never prayed before. I told God if he just made them go away I'd never be bad in my entire life. Now, understand I actually believed (because that is what I was taught) God would answer prayers. I prayed so hard, that I KNEW, I KNEW they would be gone when I got back up.

Slowly I rose, opening my eyes, big smile sure they would be gone. AH HELL NO! They were right over our house! Here I am right out there on the outside staircase perfect target for their ray guns I was sure. I looked at my mom, who seemed to be in a daze of some kind. Her hand was shading her eyes from the bright sun, her dress blowing in the breeze. I didn't know what to do. I just stood paralyzed. TERRIFIED (and any of you who wish to see a UFO you got no idea what you are wishing for).

I could see inside the craft. It made no sound, just kind of floated, it was a round saucer, silver in color. BUT, I could see the people in there. There were 2 (what looked like) smaller ones sitting down driving the thing (maybe a panel in front of them) & a taller one standing behind the 2 smaller ones.

It was then, I heard in my head, "do not worry we are not going to hurt you." SUDDENLY, I was not afraid, I thought okay, maybe we can be friends (look I'm about 9 so not a scientist). ANYWAY, I was then happy for a second because I began to think this might be something special or important & I could make friends.

This message came telepathically to me, and I knew it was from one of the smaller ones that was driving the thing. Just as I'm getting kind of happy about it all. The tall one in back (who to me seemed to be in charge/ and I got the idea he was like a scientist/ or like a researcher/ definitely in charge). HE said to the little one (again telepathically) "don't bother with them, they are nasty".

Now, I'm trying to put into words what he said, because this is coming not like words but I knew EXACTLY what he was saying. Something like "we were lower than dirt" was my first impression actually.

WELL! That was rude, so I thought back, "HEY! I'm not bad!" That tall one slowly turned towards me. See, by now they were floating between our house & the next house (towards the bay).

OMG! I was sure I was going to be hit by a death ray for sure. But, I just shut down my thinking. Oh also, when he told the little ones not to bother with us. They (the little one) like "turned off". Like he had total control over them, just like a light switch.

Here is the odd part (as if that wasn't enough)... my mom seemed to be in a trance. She was still standing w/her hand shielding her eyes from the sun. I was next to her pulling on her dress saying MOM! MOM!

Slowly she just walked passed me onward up the stairs! I was like MOM! MOM! We have to do something!! She just looked at me like dreamy like... I kept at her MOM! We have to call someone!

She said, "oh you can call Homestead air force base." I was like WTH? Because in those days, the kids didn't use the phone (parents did)~ How the hell would I call Homestead Air force base!? I'm a kid!

She just breezed back into the back house! I was left with what just happened!? I told my family at dinner that night, everyone looked at my mom & she just had this smile on her face. Nobody said anything.

Now, I wish this didn't happen. I hate it happened, I never told anyone because you'll look like a NUT! I well know this. I have tried to come up with any reason why this DIDN'T happen. Like am I crazy? No, because if you're crazy you see all kinds of weird stuff (I've never seen another craft). I've been in law enforcement, accounting... I'm just I don't know me. I'm not a liar either.

I'm not telling anyone like the general public, I don't need the nonsense comebacks. But, now that I'm older I'm not as scared to tell people what I saw. Because, now I wonder something, how come my mom was in a trance & not me?

I thought it might be because I closed my eyes & was praying my heart out so they didn't put the whammy on me (?) I have no idea. This thing that they are .... evil beings like demons... I don't think so. They are those ugly little ones with the big eyes. I remember those horrible big eyes. ugh.

I don't know guys. All I can advise is this, if you come upon them, keep something going in your mind, like a mantra or prayer so they can't hypnotize you. Maybe it is us in the future, but I didn't get that feeling. I got a feeling they came from somewhere else/ were not us. Not humans like us. They seemed military-ish (?).

BTW, I swear to God this is true, I would never swear to God & lie. I'm just telling you so maybe one day... we can figure out what this is. Yes, I also wondered if it was our own military (years later thinking about it) but I don't think so because they could communicate telepathically. That's all I got.

Here's one reason why I resist the ET getting in our heads/manipulating our reality hypothesis - and I am not saying I'm right and your wrong. I'm merely explaining myself.

I have been in situations where similar perceptions to what you describe have arisen in me. Usually, it's a serious physical fight of some kind; some kind of life threatening situation.

The first time it happened, I heard one of a group of men say to his buddies that they should jump the pinche guero (that's me), smash his head into the floor and take his money. I heard him say that, but at the same time I knew he couldn't have with his mouth because he and the others were all speaking Spanish and I could hear it too clearly above all the ambient noise in the room. I knew he was going to hit me on the head with a bottle. I side stepped an instant before he swung it at me. I pivoted and threw a punch. I knew, before my fist began moving, that I would connect powerfully with his jaw and that he would be knocked down. An instant later it happened just like that. Then I knew another of the group, who was large and heavy, was going to bum rush me and I knew that a knee to his solar plexus would stop him. An instant later, he bum rushed me and a knee to the solar plexus disabled him as he bent low to tackle me at the waist. I heard a third guy thinking that he would stick me with a little knife he would pull out of his pocket. Like I actually heard, "I'm going to reach into my pocket and get that little knife and stick this f***er" - like I was hearing his thoughts, because he didn't actually say that and certainly not in English nonetheless. I rammed him with a stool and pushed him up against a wall and, sure enough, a small knife dropped out of his hand when the chair rammed him against the wall. Mind you all of this happened in a matter of seconds; certainly under a minute. I could hear thoughts and see trajectories split seconds before launched.

After running out of there to safety, I felt like a Jedi warrior. There have been a few other instances in my life that were very similar. I sure don't go around hearing people's thoughts all of the time; just in a few extreme instances and occasionally during OBEs. I've read and been personally told about others having similar experiences.

The point is that such perceptual capabilities are inherent in people. It doesn't take a UFO to induce them. I don't think it is necessary to conclude it is mind control. People just enter into these perceptual shifts for various reasons. In my case due to a need to preserve my life (the fight) or during OBES. These things can also happen amongst loved ones when one of them dies at a distant location and comes and telepathically tells the other what has happened (and, usually, that all is ok). In fact, accounts of telepathy are common. Most of us have had that kind of experience.

So I'm not ready to say that aliens are mind controlling us because of events like the one you describe. Or even that aliens are literally flying around our skies like a Being 747. I'm still sticking to my idea that humans have vast reserves of perceptual capabilities that are usually untapped because of our narrow focus of attention, but when that focus is broken, attention drifts to other areas within the available spectrum and we have "paranormal" experiences. It's going to take a lot more detailed evidence to get me to accept the alien intelligence hypothesis as set forth by conspiracy theorists. Yes, I'm pretty sure that there are all kinds of intelligences operating in many different dimensions, but I also think that our own intelligence is operating in many different dimensions. We just aren't consciously aware of it most of the time.

From where I'm sitting, it is possible that your mother entered into some kind of dream time/altered awareness, for whatever reason, and then you got a contact high off of her when she called your attention to some elements from her dream time. I really don't know. Jumping to "super power mind controlling aliens are here and they're out to get us and the government is hiding it from us" is way too many leaps of bad logic into a belief system for me.

Why would such super powered aliens screw up and allow you to see them? Why do they screw up and let people remember abductions? Even us mere humans have anesthesia that knocks people out. Why is their tech so amazing on the one hand, but so primitive on the other (e.g. sticking probes up people's butts)? Where are the "chips" that they put in people? Why do psi based beings even need chips to, presumably, track humans? How does a govt that rarely gets the most mundane things right, figure out alien tech and psi? Why would the govt not be just as confused about all of it as we are? Is the govt populated by wise, open minded geniuses? There's a lot that doesn't add up in the alien conspiracy theory.

Here's one reason why I resist the ET getting in our heads/manipulating our reality hypothesis - and I am not saying I'm right and your wrong. I'm merely explaining myself.

I have been in situations where similar perceptions to what you describe have arisen in me. Usually, it's a serious physical fight of some kind; some kind of life threatening situation.

The first time it happened, I heard one of a group of men say to his buddies that they should jump the pinche guero (that's me), smash his head into the floor and take his money. I heard him say that, but at the same time I knew he couldn't have with his mouth because he and the others were all speaking Spanish and I could hear it too clearly above all the ambient noise in the room. I knew he was going to hit me on the head with a bottle. I side stepped an instant before he swung it at me. I pivoted and threw a punch. I knew, before my fist began moving, that I would connect powerfully with his jaw and that he would be knocked down. An instant later it happened just like that. Then I knew another of the group, who was large and heavy, was going to bum rush me and I knew that a knee to his solar plexus would stop him. An instant later, he bum rushed me and a knee to the solar plexus disabled him as he bent low to tackle me at the waist. I heard a third guy thinking that he would stick me with a little knife he would pull out of his pocket. Like I actually heard, "I'm going to reach into my pocket and get that little knife and stick this f***er" - like I was hearing his thoughts, because he didn't actually say that and certainly not in English nonetheless. I rammed him with a stool and pushed him up against a wall and, sure enough, a small knife dropped out of his hand when the chair rammed him against the wall. Mind you all of this happened in a matter of seconds; certainly under a minute. I could hear thoughts and see trajectories split seconds before launched.

After running out of there to safety, I felt like a Jedi warrior. There have been a few other instances in my life that were very similar. I sure don't go around hearing people's thoughts all of the time; just in a few extreme instances and occasionally during OBEs. I've read and been personally told about others having similar experiences.

The point is that such perceptual capabilities are inherent in people. It doesn't take a UFO to induce them. I don't think it is necessary to conclude it is mind control. People just enter into these perceptual shifts for various reasons. In my case due to a need to preserve my life (the fight) or during OBES. These things can also happen amongst loved ones when one of them dies at a distant location and comes and telepathically tells the other what has happened (and, usually, that all is ok). In fact, accounts of telepathy are common. Most of us have had that kind of experience.

So I'm not ready to say that aliens are mind controlling us because of events like the one you describe. Or even that aliens are literally flying around our skies like a Being 747. I'm still sticking to my idea that humans have vast reserves of perceptual capabilities that are usually untapped because of our narrow focus of attention, but when that focus is broken, attention drifts to other areas within the available spectrum and we have "paranormal" experiences. It's going to take a lot more detailed evidence to get me to accept the alien intelligence hypothesis as set forth by conspiracy theorists. Yes, I'm pretty sure that there are all kinds of intelligences operating in many different dimensions, but I also think that our own intelligence is operating in many different dimensions. We just aren't consciously aware of it most of the time.

From where I'm sitting, it is possible that your mother entered into some kind of dream time/altered awareness, for whatever reason, and then you got a contact high off of her when she called your attention to some elements from her dream time. I really don't know. Jumping to "super power mind controlling aliens are here and they're out to get us and the government is hiding it from us" is way too many leaps of bad logic into a belief system for me.

Why would such super powered aliens screw up and allow you to see them? Why do they screw up and let people remember abductions? Even us mere humans have anesthesia that knocks people out. Why is their tech so amazing on the one hand, but so primitive on the other (e.g. sticking probes up people's butts)? Where are the "chips" that they put in people? Why do psi based beings even need chips to, presumably, track humans? How does a govt that rarely gets the most mundane things right, figure out alien tech and psi? Why would the govt not be just as confused about all of it as we are? Is the govt populated by wise, open minded geniuses? There's a lot that doesn't add up in the alien conspiracy theory.

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Wow, interesting! See, I can't explain why or what the aliens are. I really DON'T want to believe. I don't know why, I mean it makes sense there would be "others" out there. I was just telling what I saw & what happened, because one day somebody might need to know this weirdness.

I don't believe anyone mostly & their crazy stories, so I understand nobody wanting to believe me as well. From what I remember the taller (standing up) alien seemed to be dully surprised I could hear him. That is why his nasty head slowly turned to look at me.

You know just because someone is a super power or more advanced doesn't mean they can't screw up. I know, I've heard of the chips & the "probes" egads. Also how does a gov. that can't it's mouth shut on anything, hide anything. Hey I agree. I don't like it.

hum, I got another weird tale, so when I was in college, I went first to a college called Shorter in Rome, Ga. (don't ask me why/it was a bad decision). ANYWAY, they had 2 U.S. astronauts come to speak to our college. At the end, people could go up to the mic & ask Q's. So, the last guy asked if there were "aliens".

The 2 astronauts looked at each other & smiled and he said. "Yes". The guy that asked the Q went off like a kangaroo hopping all over yelling. That is where the entire talk ended. I was looking at those 2 astronauts on stage wondering WTH?! This was in the 70's. So, I'm like just WTH, why are they coming to some backwoods college saying this and NOT on national news!? I lost a lot of respect for NASA then. Either they thought this was funny & lied or they saw things. I was kind of too young & introverted to actually approach & demand answers (as I would today).

I have no idea, I'm beginning to think we all are on some kind of Mr.Toads wild ride and either the ride is going to stop pretty soon or WHO KNOWS!? Something is afoot!

My two most traumatic memories as a little kid were Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and being stuck on It's a Small World Afterall, with all those friggin' little dancing puppets and that ridiculous song, for 45 minutes, when the ride broke down.

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Wow, interesting! See, I can't explain why or what the aliens are. I really DON'T want to believe. I don't know why, I mean it makes sense there would be "others" out there. I was just telling what I saw & what happened, because one day somebody might need to know this weirdness.

I don't believe anyone mostly & their crazy stories, so I understand nobody wanting to believe me as well. From what I remember the taller (standing up) alien seemed to be dully surprised I could hear him. That is why his nasty head slowly turned to look at me.

You know just because someone is a super power or more advanced doesn't mean they can't screw up. I know, I've heard of the chips & the "probes" egads. Also how does a gov. that can't it's mouth shut on anything, hide anything. Hey I agree. I don't like it.

hum, I got another weird tale, so when I was in college, I went first to a college called Shorter in Rome, Ga. (don't ask me why/it was a bad decision). ANYWAY, they had 2 U.S. astronauts come to speak to our college. At the end, people could go up to the mic & ask Q's. So, the last guy asked if there were "aliens".

The 2 astronauts looked at each other & smiled and he said. "Yes". The guy that asked the Q went off like a kangaroo hopping all over yelling. That is where the entire talk ended. I was looking at those 2 astronauts on stage wondering WTH?! This was in the 70's. So, I'm like just WTH, why are they coming to some backwoods college saying this and NOT on national news!? I lost a lot of respect for NASA then. Either they thought this was funny & lied or they saw things. I was kind of too young & introverted to actually approach & demand answers (as I would today).

I have no idea, I'm beginning to think we all are on some kind of Mr.Toads wild ride and either the ride is going to stop pretty soon or WHO KNOWS!? Something is afoot!

Just tossing ideas out there. I told someone (David Bailey?) that I came to this forum because I'm at a point in my life where I can spend a little more time pondering this stuff. I have come to some conclusions about what is going on, almost. Just want to test my ideas against those of others who also experience and/or ponder this stuff. Yeah, I think it is a Mr. Toad's wild ride. Mostly we try to control it, but that control is an illusion. I further think that those that try to control too hard are the crazy ones.

Just tossing ideas out there. I told someone (David Bailey?) that I came to this forum because I'm at a point in my life where I can spend a little more time pondering this stuff. I have come to some conclusions about what is going on, almost. Just want to test my ideas against those of others who also experience and/or ponder this stuff. Yeah, I think it is a Mr. Toad's wild ride. Mostly we try to control it, but that control is an illusion. I further think that those that try to control too hard are the crazy ones.

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I live Mr. Toads wild ride LOL~ Well, something is messed up from the get go. Religion, I mean I love my Christmas tree & all, but come on, religion lies to us when we are small. Terrifies us if we ask any questions (IT'S THE DEVIL MAKING YOU DOUBT!). Then we got school, oh boy, we get to be cogs in the wheel. Ring that bell, Pavlov's dog. Our governments lie to us the NEWS lies to us. NOW we have videos they can play with.

So we start out with our brains scrambled. Everybody taking their "messiahs" to the point they want to cut off heads or hang people. I've even got news "alerts" some neighbor ALLOWED kudzu to grow on his property! HEAVEN FORBID, all hands on deck, "there will be fines and penalties"!

By the time we can catch our breaths & look around a second, we're all like WTF happened here!?

I figured one thing out for sure there are a LOT of psychopaths among us leading the way. They don't even know they are psychopaths, they think it's all good! "he he I won the prize, I got leverage... I'll show them all!" Damn, even doctors are out to make a buck on your hide, they don't care if they leave you as road kill. I've seen it! I've seen the worst police too. Oh don't get me started. AND THE lawyers, please I have a bunch in my own family. You better have money or you're toast.

Me? I'm moving further in the forest! Rutt ro, I was going to help poor disgruntled Alex. **sigh, all he wanted to know is: "Why are we here and what does it all mean?" I haven't the heart to tell him.

My two most traumatic memories as a little kid were Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and being stuck on It's a Small World Afterall, with all those friggin' little dancing puppets and that ridiculous song, for 45 minutes, when the ride broke down.

This guy is %100 full of crap! I'm a believer in the super natural paranormal, ufo field and I can tell you this guy is making up most of this. The part where he say's he was in a big wheel with spokes etc ... UFO comes right out the bible for the most part. You mean to tell me with all these experiences he and his wife over a two year period and they thought nothing of having a video pictures of any of this; with cell phone technology we have now a days? Sounds like he wants to sell some books! Skeptico needs to put on more credible people then this buffoon, come on! and is this the interviewer that denies that Jesus walked the earth ? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't know Skeptiko

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I live Mr. Toads wild ride LOL~ Well, something is messed up from the get go. Religion, I mean I love my Christmas tree & all, but come on, religion lies to us when we are small. Terrifies us if we ask any questions (IT'S THE DEVIL MAKING YOU DOUBT!). Then we got school, oh boy, we get to be cogs in the wheel. Ring that bell, Pavlov's dog. Our governments lie to us the NEWS lies to us. NOW we have videos they can play with.

So we start out with our brains scrambled. Everybody taking their "messiahs" to the point they want to cut off heads or hang people. I've even got news "alerts" some neighbor ALLOWED kudzu to grow on his property! HEAVEN FORBID, all hands on deck, "there will be fines and penalties"!

By the time we can catch our breaths & look around a second, we're all like WTF happened here!?

I figured one thing out for sure there are a LOT of psychopaths among us leading the way. They don't even know they are psychopaths, they think it's all good! "he he I won the prize, I got leverage... I'll show them all!" Damn, even doctors are out to make a buck on your hide, they don't care if they leave you as road kill. I've seen it! I've seen the worst police too. Oh don't get me started. AND THE lawyers, please I have a bunch in my own family. You better have money or you're toast.

Me? I'm moving further in the forest! Rutt ro, I was going to help poor disgruntled Alex. **sigh, all he wanted to know is: "Why are we here and what does it all mean?" I haven't the heart to tell him.

Hey Alex I am not sure what you mean by unprecedented here. Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humans for a hell of along time - and manipulating dreaming and waking consciousness. What we do have is an unprecedented level of reporting of it. It may be true that there is more of it going on, but we can't be sure of that. However it does seem that as though there something that is intensifying - in the sense that we seem to have entered a phase of relative crisis.

Some argue that ET is a mask for a deeper non-human consciousness. That seems to be the direction that Hernandez is looking - and its one I presently prefer. If we remember that what has been reported may be only a fraction of people effected (including those who don't disclose and those who are not conscious of any experience) we could be talking a substantial portion of a population - and to what end?

Generally it seems that the experiences are positive and the intent is to influence thought and behaviour in a way I regard as a kind of accelerated way of cutting through the density of materialism (intellectual and moral errors) - a kind of collective course correction. But even so, I sense it is more complex than that too.