2011 isn't even close to being over, and there are already tons of releases I'm still digesting.

I don't know what that thing you mentioned is, but the new Panda Bear is great, the new This Will Destroy You seems promising, the new Mogwai is ok, and the new ...And Stars Collide EP from their yet-to-be-released album is pretty decent, to my tastes.

The new TWDY is much more Ambient than Post-rock.
And So I Watch You From Afar's new album is quite good. Final Days Society one is really great !
I didn't listen to all new post-rock stuff, but there are quite other good bands like : Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud or Orders of The British Empire that you should listen to.

Anymore recent stuff? Similar stuff? This may sound way off base to you but I really like the rolling sound that that song has (something I find full expression of in Shackleton's music - albiet much darker)

I assume you mean the kind of jungly sound or whatever. the new Panda Bear sounds somewhat like Person Pitch, but it's a bit more simple and relaxed overall. and being that Panda Bear is from Animal Collective, some of their stuff, as well as Avey Tare's solo stuff, has some similar sounds to Panda Bear at times, but overall they're fairly different.

hrm. I think something like Toro Y Moi - Causers of This or maybe The American Analog Set or even Atlas Sound are kind of similar to that album. nothing really sticks out in my mind as being the exact same kind of sound, though, and I'm not too good with that stuff, but I guess I could just list off some of my favorite other bands in the same rough kind of space.. stuff like Islands, Feist, of Montreal (the earlier stuff), MGMT, or The Fiery Furnaces. maybe someone who knows more about music can make more relevant recommendations or something.

With endless summer and beyond we saw expressed a longing later given to evolution in rememberance; decay in missing a past not present in a future; yellow-brown half-burned memories as the first naive expression. While first given to absentia, it was later claimed by climax as the sole beauty of destruction. In eulogies we turn to regret and the morning after, and we came full-circle to the seagulls by the sunrise at dawn with flimsy sparkles conveying the transitory experience of this contingent point in time. Though some have taken other aspects to sum up, Hecker has provided a consistent sound that includes the most abstract spectre of decay in conflict with harmony. In Hecker even the most recent reflections turning to fragmented reality are subtly attained by blips of dissection under cold light. Including plenty without imposing a finaly totality (like despair) it keeps going and gives itself over to the recognition it wants to establish. The resulting emotion will put you in a blank chaos of serious brooding; but while there it will force you to digest and chew through the fog it reveals and you'll come out remarkably clearheaded.

Yes, I agree, it's rather the perfection of this groping for years and years since 2001 instead of something new. It seems notoriously difficult to get past that point, and my usual attitude is to dismiss things that do not try.

This may sound weird but the only real outstanding attempt i've seen is [the movie] Inland Empire with its flow that goes perpendicular to the normal bounderies of emotionscaping.. I mean there's a primitive attempt in The Fountain, and a more perfected, explicit one in 2046, but none of them made the z-transition as *real* and direct as Inland empire.

I'd certainly like to see a rise in a kind of polyambient/counterpoint, where different ambient structures co-exist with different emotions. I see myself on the verge of saying "let worlds collide," but of course there are a million interpretations of that done already, so in the abstact i'm not sure exactly what it is i'm after.

In the first you linked it certainly seems that there is one mood on top of the other. In the second it's more of a transition from one to the other at 8-9min. hm!

I'll have to check out more of these guys.. see what they are on about.. Perhaps you could suggest a couple of albums, and *cough* where to get them (if they are obscure). :D

loved inland empire. i also noticed that there are more and more mainstreamish movies outthere, which are weird and successful. that's actually a great thing to happen.

there are still musicians around who do not feel "empowered" enough by the stuff that is produced and will try to reach and pass boundries that are known. that's the point that of the "experimental" scene out there. a lot of milestones but the road doesn't end at all.

there are small projects which are still unpopular enough to be like my little secret. critics,oppinions and success do often kill the magic for me.

i do not like giving recommendations :p, but a good point to start is to check the discogs releases and to get through the jungle of labels and collabs. also soulseek is still pretty useful, blogs like deletedscenesforgottendreams and newsletters like vitalweekly

Yeah, why don't you talk your heart out and be non-metaphysical about it. How about you tell us all about love and we'll judge you by the intelligence of it. By the intelligibility of it. Sounds about right, no?

I'm not even sure what u mean by "this", if it's love i dont need to create or search for it it exists all around us, including me and my gf

I can see the tie-in between music and emotions or even film and emotions and i'm sure there"s an unexplored space there. By 2001 i assumed u mean the kubrick movie, it's cute but has little real worth in my eyes. I'd consider the recent "moon" to be the superior picture.

with 2001 i meant hecker, which released his first album in that year. but both 2001 and moon are pretty godo films :p

for me, it's more of a waste to close your eyes or stay focused on the result (ie of a life) and ride on the trails/rails till the end which you can't see but surely expect.
i know there are a lot of people that dumped their child abilities to explore, to take a risk, to look 360°, to experiment and whatnot to actually get crippled and prepared for the wantobe concrete senses which at best need intelligence.

i guess since you're with your gf you know the abilities of the "metaphysics" and you wouldnt leave her if you get a child (as the result).

it's just a territory where you can't be sure about anything and everything looks kinda pseudo. i bet there are 100 oppinions which could change my mind. all you have to accept is the fact that there is no safety at all. don't know if i really understand you either, but you packed your thoughts into words and i was kinda trying to discuss like it could actually affect atleast myself :p

Typically, things said with this kind of poetic ring to it are not things hard won by conscious, intelligent and intentional action. They are insights or visions or feelings or experiences that hit home so directly that they echo out into years hence even in spite of the person having them.

Love is the spiritual denominator most can relate to. A few have religion. There are many other things.

For some, life stands or falls with these things. The complex sciences are crude. Especially psychology. Of all the people I know, i'm the most interested in psychology.

My older brother is more like you. We talk often. We have younger brother as well. Our younger brother lives in Portugal. He loves his home team above anything else and so on.

Both my older brother and I want to lift him out of this cultural trap. We are all 3 equally intelligent.

My older brother and me, in discussing ways to "get him out," have come to realize that the greatest obstacle is his concrete mindset.

I the most spiritual one, was the first to opt out of religion; my older brother, more concrete, took longer to see the problem of his contingent upbringing.

Apart from the love example, I guess that's the only thing i've got so far that easily translates into "actual" lifechanging differences. In the chronology of this story I usually insist to my older brother after the last part that we're still trapped. ;D

In any case, we are both old enough, you and I, that we slowly start giving up on changing people anyway :)

To think differently develop a sensitivity for the symbolic in the everyday. Wide phenomena show themselves in local caricature.

For instance I notice new colorcombinations used in fashion; associated with that seing are asian people; associated with all of that is traditional chinese art;

so they have a different sense of color-harmony over there, and it's slowly migrating over here; this brings a new question; why is their sense of color different? is it a nature/nurture thing? accidental? historical? all of it?

and then, does it mean something beyond that? what does it entail? does that mean their blue is not our blue? to what extent is color determined by association? what kind of syntax is at play? what about the associations to color in mythology?

and then use this whole framwork of questions, and apply it to their emotion; given this logic of different harmony and nature nurture, does this give an insight or frame to understand differences in emotion or facial expression? what about anime? classical music? etcetc.

so you just start from what seems like a caricature of something, and then you trace it and question it back and back; for instance the horizontal light in music videos.. why is that popping up in all our videos now? is it something to do with the technology, or the lighting in clubs, or does it affect our eyes in some special way associated with movement what..

you can do the same thing with "logical thinking" what's the etymology of the word logical, how did it develop, what are the foundations of logic, how does the underlying mechanism relate to the logic; zoom in - what is the simplest physical substrate to manipulate a bit of information; does this say something about reality, or logic? etcetc.

you can do the same thing with "love," what's the etymology of the word love, how did it develop, what do evolutionary psychologists say? what do they leave out? how can these chemicals relate a feeling? what different kinds of love are there? how's the dynamic? is it a system? what role does the body play in thoughts of love? what is the relation of love to hate, or love to disgust, can one love be opposite hate and another opposite disgust? etcetc.

this way of "thinking about stuff" is just to take some clue and explore it, let it grab you and take you for a ride into the millions of connections it has to other things and questions.. one might say it is to fall in love with clues.

like if you really love a girl you want to know everything about her, in all the different dimensions of her being; her past, her body, the way she reacts or responds in different circumstances, her family, her friends, what she cares about, how her surroundings are, etcetc.

sometimes, what the poet does, is skip this whole investigation and operate on the level of cues. the eyes know what is interesting before the intellect does. attention is moved there automatically.

well that's i guess some aspect of how "thinking about stuff" is just to take seriously and even "fall in love" with anything that holds attention that people notice but then pass over and forget as they keep to their daily rhythm.

but i'm all to aware that people who tend to have some sort of talent, when they try to explain it, butcher it completely, and i doubt i've done anything more than that here. it's never formulaic :\

anyway i don't think one can dissociate talent from habit. i'm writing my (obscure) masters next year and probably teaching some, so i don't think i'm wasting my talent ;)

Struggling with Ravedeath since the day it was released. Harmoy in Ultraviolet beats it all the way, it's one of those albums you can't just listen to one or two tracks, I just adore going from Rainbow blood all the way to Blood rainbow.

Ha! I loved that title. It was how I found Hecker in the first place. For some reason I never really understood that album. Surely I have the respect now to go back and struggle a bit with his older material :)

his reviews are quite entertaining to listen, but i couldn't find something he recommended that i really like. and i'm not hating on indie music here, i'm a fan of the indie current from mid 00s, those with british or garage sound.. and not the 70s fake-nerds with a intended awkward fashion sense

fuck this spineless shit actually.. when is Tool releasing a new album?

- Portishead (very cool)
- 30 seconds to mars (my god how awful is this crap)
- ACDC - back in black (never actively listened to it before, but practically knew all the songs)
- Pearl Jam backspacer (really digging it)
- Sylosis edge of the earth (loving it, but prefer first album so far - only listed a couple of times)
- scars on broadway (cool, but it is very similar to soad)
- girltalk allday (freaking awesome, perfect for driving or running, mash up of all sorts of music)
- anamanaguchi (it is cool, but you can't really listen to too much without wanting to kill someone)
- exodus bonded by blood (it is cool, but not my sort of thing, i suppose)
- the best of blur (I'm lazy and didn't want to listen to all their albums, but hey! the greatest hits is great!)
- radiohead king of limbs (It's ok, I can listen to it, but nothing incredible)
-joy division (it's cool, but I expected more, it just kinda sounds old)
- Accept - Blood of the Nations (Like old school metal, surprisingly catchy)
- The strokes - angles (seems... good, but not "is this it?" must listen to it a bit more)
- lost prophets (guilty pleasure, they are awful, but I kinda like them)

Stuff that I have currently in my list to listen to:
- Arcade Fire - The suburbs
- Beady Eye - Different Gear, still speeding
- Bring me the horizon - there is a hell bla bla bla
- clutch - blast tyrant
- david guetta best of something or other
- foo fighters wasting light
- high on fire - snakes for the divine
- seether- finding beauty in negative spaces
- sieges even - the art of navigating by the stars
- the smashing pupkins - teargarden by kaleidyscope
- witchery - witchkrieg

And have added the two albums recommended above to the list.

Everytime that I don't mention an album means I've listened to everything.

I'm actively looking for more music so any recommendations welcome, I like addictive stuff :) Don't really listen to a genre, metal,rock,pop etc.

Got recommended this band "The pretty reckless". Read up about them online, seems they have this 17 year old chick tv star or something, so I thought it was going to be crap. Turns out it's really good! Love the hard rock sound.

It's the stand out album from the latest stuff I tried out, although I haven't listened to some stuff enough (like arctic monkeys, seether, lady gaga)

The suburbs - Arcade fire (Started to really like it)
Sylosis edge of the earth (REALLY love it now, better than the first album)
- The strokes - angles (Also like it alot now, very calm and good for doing work or chilling)
- Bring me the horizon - there is a hell believe me ive seen it, there is a heaven lets keep it a secret (Really awesome, better than their older stuff, really like it)
- foo fighters wasting light (Good for easy listening, it's ok)
- the smashing pupkins - teargarden by kaleidyscope (Gave it one listen and it sounded amazing, but need to listen to it again)

Not previously mentioned and new on list:
- Arctic Monkeys Suck it and See (It's quite good, but not as good as their first 2 albums)
- Defeater - Lost Ground (Incredible album, got recommended it by some 19 year old chick, was surprisingly impressed)
- Skillex - All of it, it's awesome
- Lady Gaga - Born this Way (I think it's awesome, it reminds me of early michael jackson)

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My Arms, Your Hearse stands as their best, and shame that you didn't get into their earlier stuff because it is fantastic. Orchid especially. Deliverance I didn't get so much, but Damnation is great. Watershed was just.. ugh.

i havent tried "way their crept", and also couldnt really get into "dragging up.." but it always depends on moods and "when,how, why"-did i find it. it just reminded me of fovea hex's "bloom" with some circulating drones. the voice also reminded me of my alltime favourite project "asianova".gonna check it again. i also loved the new illusion of safety record "busier than happy"- but dunno if ya know

Oh ok cool :) There are alot of other "Lucy" acts out there too so I wasn't too sure.
Anyway yeah, Lucy's album is great, there is also a neat remix ep where Tommy Four Seven (who made a cool album on CLR too, called Primate), Truss, Peter van Hoesen and James Ruskin take on some of the album tracks, very interesting reworks.

Also some cool compilations are out on Ilian Tape with tracks by Jonas Kopp, Regen, Dario & Marco Zenker etc
VA - Because we do! (first compilation was called We like U)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFh6gnBXu4

can you shed some light into how these tunes are made since you're in the know? I was under the impression they put all the samples together at the start and if it sounds cool to them they stretch it to like 10 minutes by adding an extra sample every 2 minutes or so.

I'm not a producer so don't ask me how they do it. Some sounds come from sample packs, some from field recordings they did themselves, some from songs, it mostly has to do with having a vague idea of what you want to create and then trying to transfer the sound from your head into your computer. Analogue equipment can be useful too but guys like Marcel Fengler don't use any hardware at all which I find pretty impressive.

The ones I've listened to most are Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues, TV on the Radio - Nine Types of Light, Death Cab for Cutie - Codes and Keys and The Airborne Toxic Event - All at Once. Gave Radiohead's new one a go too but did not care for it.

The new Circle Takes The Square (Screamo) EP "Decompositions, Volume I, Chapter 1: Rites of Initiation",
and the new Collapse Under The Empire (Post-Rock) 'Shoulders and Giants" are awesome ! Try them out.