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World of FootballAll non Palace football talk - includes latest scores on Internationals and matches that affect palace.

If you wish to follow a football club based on their success then you could not view yourself as a supporter ... you are merely a customer. - Mat ov CPFC.

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As a (part-Welsh) supporter of Wales, I'm pretty disappointed with Giggs' appointment as Wales manager. Like others, I remember him constantly being unavailable for friendlies. I wonder why the Welsh FA didn't exert more pressure at the time, but Giggs himself has to shoulder most of the blame. Contrast this with Bale, who seemingly can't get enough of playing for Wales.

On the plus side, I think Giggs did a reasonable job as stand-in Man U manager, so who knows? Most football fans are pretty fickle, and if we start winning regularly the Welsh public will soon warm to him.

As a (part-Welsh) supporter of Wales, I'm pretty disappointed with Giggs' appointment as Wales manager. Like others, I remember him constantly being unavailable for friendlies. I wonder why the Welsh FA didn't exert more pressure at the time, but Giggs himself has to shoulder most of the blame. Contrast this with Bale, who seemingly can't get enough of playing for Wales.

On the plus side, I think Giggs did a reasonable job as stand-in Man U manager, so who knows? Most football fans are pretty fickle, and if we start winning regularly the Welsh public will soon warm to him.

As a (part-Welsh) supporter of Wales, I'm pretty disappointed with Giggs' appointment as Wales manager. Like others, I remember him constantly being unavailable for friendlies. I wonder why the Welsh FA didn't exert more pressure at the time, but Giggs himself has to shoulder most of the blame. Contrast this with Bale, who seemingly can't get enough of playing for Wales.

On the plus side, I think Giggs did a reasonable job as stand-in Man U manager, so who knows? Most football fans are pretty fickle, and if we start winning regularly the Welsh public will soon warm to him.

He had 4 games at the end of the season, 3 of them at home, and collected 7 points. Hardly the stuff managerial reputations are built on I would suggest

How hard a job can it be? Finish in top 2 of qualifying group and you've qualified.

Even if you cock that up (you do have Hennessey as your No.1) there is still the new 'Nations League' as a second chance to qualify for the final 4 places at the Finals.

And at the finals, just one win in the group stage should get you through to the 2nd round.

Manage that and there'll be some stupid foreign owner daft enough to give him a Prem job when their club is in the shit.

__________________"Crystal Palace is cult viewing, like a late night TV show that only a few people know about, like a precious record that was never number one but makes everybody who knows it want to dance and sing… and sometimes cry." Tony, 3-7-2001

"Well, as I said before, we are only 6 points behind 4th from bottom with the prize of an additional £65 million (minimum) if we stay up. So, we'd be bonkers if that wasn't the top priority. Nobody's giving up on staying in this league." CPFC2010, 5-11-2013

It’s never easy to get Wales in the top two qualifying spots!, Wales finished first in their tournament group with two wins and the managerial prize was the poisoned chalice at Sunderland. Apart from that, great post.