In 2008, a group of Ron Paul supporters founded RonPaul.com, a Ron Paul fan-site that became one of the leading sources for information about and support for the perennial Libertarian presidential candidate. The creators of the site "put our lives on hold and invested 5 years of hard work into Ron Paul, RonPaul.com and Ron Paul 2012." His presidential campaign fell short, but the enthusiasm lived on as supporters continued to rally around this free enterprise Messiah.

Yesterday morning, Ron Paul repaid their support by filing a complaint with the World Intellectual Property Organization, an agency of Paul's much-reviled United Nations, seeking the expropriation of both RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org from his supporters without any compensation.

The editors of RonPaul.com explained the situation,

Last month, after Ron Paul expressed regret on the Alex Jones show over not owning RonPaul.com (in an interview titled "Ron Paul: The Internet Is Our Last Chance to Awaken America"), dozens of supporters urged us to contact Ron Paul to work out a deal.

We sent Ron Paul the following respectful offer [View/Download PDF File], explaining that we'd prefer to keep RonPaul.com due to reasons explained in our letter.

At the same time we offered him RonPaul.org as a free gift so we could keep using RonPaul.com and he wouldn't have to use something like RonPaulsHomePage.com.

Ron Paul rejected their offer. They then told Paul exactly how much their site was worth:

Our offer went on to explain that in case Ron Paul insisted on obtaining RonPaul.com, we would prepare a complete liberty package consisting of RonPaul.com and our 170k mailing list.

The value we put on the deal was $250k; we are getting our mailing list appraised right now but we are confident it is easily worth more than $250k all by itself.

Their offer is consistent with their beliefs: In Libertarianism, nothing is free, except Freedom, which isn't really all that free anyway. What happened next is outstanding: instead of engaging in Free Market bargaining, Ron Paul (RON PAUL) appealed to an international governmental organization for help.

The editors of RonPaul.com have reprinted some very choice words that Paul had to say about the United Nations while he was in office:

Those bureaucrats are not satisfied by meddling only in international disputes, however. The UN increasingly wants to influence our domestic environmental, trade, labor, tax, and gun laws. Its global planners fully intend to expand the UN into a true world government, complete with taxes, courts, and a standing army. This is not an alarmist statement; these facts are readily promoted on the UN's own website. UN planners do not care about national sovereignty; in fact they are actively hostile to it. They correctly view it as an obstacle to their plans. They simply aren't interested in our Constitution and republican form of government.

The choice is very clear: we either follow the Constitution or submit to UN global governance. American national sovereignty cannot survive if we allow our domestic laws to be crafted by an international body. This needs to be stated publicly more often. If we continue down the UN path, America as we know it will cease to exist.

Down is up. Cats are doing dogs. Ron Paul has asked the United Nations for help.

TL/DR: Ron Paul, whom doesn't believe in the UN, is using the UN to attempt to get Ronpaul.com & .org from the capitalist Ron Paul supporters whom own the site because he doesn't want to pay them what its worth.

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

I can't be bothered to dig, but I'm guessing there's more than just this one side to the story, and the actual truth of the matter is far less interesting.

Are you gonna even bother to try for a cite, or just Gbaji up the thread before He makes His appearance?

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

I thought the story did show both sides of the story. If you think Ron got the raw end of the deal, the onus is on you to prove it. Your opinion that the truth isn't interesting is mere speculation, Gbaji-lite.

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

Cite for what? My opinion that this story is not all that interesting?

It's interesting if you're the kind of slack jawed moron who took Ron Paul even vaguely seriously, ever.

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Cite for what? My opinion that this story is not all that interesting?

It's interesting if you're the kind of slack jawed moron who took Ron Paul even vaguely seriously, ever.

I dunno he is pretty bang on with the Federal Reserve stuff. The Fed is a privately controlled organization, which handles all public funds. The debt controlled by the Fed makes up the vast majority of the debt vs stake holders. (Smashes China.) And as silly as it may sound, the US could wash away a vast majority of its debt simply by dismantling the Federal Reserve system, and replacing with a public controlled and owned central bank.

The majority of the debt associated with bail outs is going into the pockets of the very people who own shares in the Federal Reserve Bank, the very same folks who make money of the Interest payments on the debt America holds in the Federal Reserve Bank. Really they are using their own money to "bail themselves out", and then doubling down on the interest. They funded the bailouts, they get the money from the bailouts, and they get the interest on the lent money...that they pocketed anyway.

As for this story...I don't find it interesting at all, but 250K is a pretty fair price for 2 domain names and that list of subscribers, just makes Paul come off as a cheap *** tbh, that could probably fetch half a mil easy on the market.

but 250K is a pretty fair price for 2 domain names and that list of subscribers, just makes Paul come off as a cheap *** tbh, that could probably fetch half a mil easy on the market.

So, you're alright with Paul going against his principals to save $250k?

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

I thought the story did show both sides of the story. If you think Ron got the raw end of the deal, the onus is on you to prove it. Your opinion that the truth isn't interesting is mere speculation, Gbaji-lite.

What the @#%^ you smokin, bra? I don't give two sh*ts about Ron Paul. Whatever good ideas he may have had about running this country were dwarfed by his other craziness. At any rate, this story has zilch to do wiht his presidental campaign and everything to do with his attempt to reign in his personal image. That he is now embroiled in a financial argument with the very people who may have originally registered the domain name in his support is laughable at best, but I'd hardly call it interesting. Whether it's interesting to me or not absolutely doesn't require any "cite" or otherwise "proof". Who put the sand in your mangina?

Whether it's interesting to me or not absolutely doesn't require any "cite" or otherwise "proof".

This is true.

Stubbs wrote:

I can't be bothered to dig, but I'm guessing there's more than just this one side to the story, and the actual truth of the matter is far less interesting.

This may be, but without a cite, its hard to tell.

Stubbs wrote:

Who put the sand in your mangina?

Overworked & been reading Hemingway as of late, as it were.

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

I can't be bothered to dig, but I'm guessing there's more than just this one side to the story, and the actual truth of the matter is far less interesting.

This may be, but without a cite, its hard to tell.

Well, if I were interested in digging deeper, which I already have stated that I am not, I might be prompted to ask the question "What about the asking price did Ron Paul deem was unfair?" or "What prompted Ron Paul to proceed with a legal operation against the domain owners, rather than continuing private negotiations?".

I'm assuming at some point, something changed in the negotiations that prompted Ron Paul to terminate any negotiations and pursue alternative means, but the story you presented didn't clarify any of that, or if it did, I missed it, hence the "one sided" comment.

Well, if I were interested in digging deeper, which I already have stated that I am not, I might be prompted to ask the question "What about the asking price did Ron Paul deem was unfair?" or "What prompted Ron Paul to proceed with a legal operation against the domain owners, rather than continuing private negotiations?".

I'm assuming at some point, something changed in the negotiations that prompted Ron Paul to terminate any negotiations and pursue alternative means, but the story you presented didn't clarify any of that, or if it did, I missed it, hence the "one sided" comment.

Speculation based upon assumptions that you won't even bother to try & prove?

What're you Gbaji's sock now? I want some effort Mr. Stubbs!

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

I dunno he is pretty bang on with the Federal Reserve stuff. The Fed is a privately controlled organization, which handles all public funds. The debt controlled by the Fed makes up the vast majority of the debt vs stake holders. (Smashes China.) And as silly as it may sound, the US could wash away a vast majority of its debt simply by dismantling the Federal Reserve system, and replacing with a public controlled and owned central bank.

The majority of the debt associated with bail outs is going into the pockets of the very people who own shares in the Federal Reserve Bank, the very same folks who make money of the Interest payments on the debt America holds in the Federal Reserve Bank. Really they are using their own money to "bail themselves out", and then doubling down on the interest. They funded the bailouts, they get the money from the bailouts, and they get the interest on the lent money...that they pocketed anyway.

This is so spectacularly wrong on so many levels, I really don't know where to start. It's 911 Truther level wrong. Protocols of the Elders of Zion level wrong. That's not how the Fed works....AT ALL. I'm not very interested in litigating that, though, so let's just stipulate that you know nothing about it, and read something on a lunatic website once and move on, shall we?

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I can't be bothered to dig, but I'm guessing there's more than just this one side to the story, and the actual truth of the matter is far less interesting.

This may be, but without a cite, its hard to tell.

STOP THE PRESSES! We must know whether or not BD really does find the actual truth of the situation to be less interesting before we can proceed.

Well there's this piece of evidence......

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What the @#%^ you smokin, bra? I don't give two sh*ts about Ron Paul.

However when you look at both sides of the situation and examine the variables of the thread, the posting time, the number of posts, the participants in the thread and the air speed velocity of a swallow, you can clearly see that BD's actions belie his words.

Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.

I dunno he is pretty bang on with the Federal Reserve stuff. The Fed is a privately controlled organization, which handles all public funds. The debt controlled by the Fed makes up the vast majority of the debt vs stake holders. (Smashes China.) And as silly as it may sound, the US could wash away a vast majority of its debt simply by dismantling the Federal Reserve system, and replacing with a public controlled and owned central bank.

The majority of the debt associated with bail outs is going into the pockets of the very people who own shares in the Federal Reserve Bank, the very same folks who make money of the Interest payments on the debt America holds in the Federal Reserve Bank. Really they are using their own money to "bail themselves out", and then doubling down on the interest. They funded the bailouts, they get the money from the bailouts, and they get the interest on the lent money...that they pocketed anyway.

This is so spectacularly wrong on so many levels, I really don't know where to start. It's 911 Truther level wrong. Protocols of the Elders of Zion level wrong. That's not how the Fed works....AT ALL. I'm not very interested in litigating that, though, so let's just stipulate that you know nothing about it, and read something on a lunatic website once and move on, shall we?

I guess the Federal Reserves own website is full of lies then. Or perhaps you missed the part where privately owned banks and securities are entitled to become members and primary dealers (see Bank of America, JP Chase, Goldman Sachs) I mean really it is all right here.

Esentially these guys are responsible for the purchase and issuance of American debt, they purchase it from the Fed, of which they are entitled to a 6% annual return on their shares within the fed on the profits the fed makes. Shares in the fed are determined by 3% of total market capital of the member banks.

Essentially for every dollar of debt these banks buy from the federal reserve they pay them selves .oo18 cents. Everytime the government sheds debt these banks make money on that debt. When the US pays down on its interest to the fed these banks make money. For every dollar of debt issued, debt repaid these banks make .0018 cents. Since all money in American economy comes from the fed these primary dealers make boatloads. on 16T they can expect to receive 28.8B. Each. Of course in order to generate that amount of income the US Taxpayer base would need to drastically increase, in terms of volume and equity. This means more debt lent from their private operations to corporations who provide the jobs and the pay. Meaning 16 billion of additional debt is created in order to pay off the initial 16 billion in debts. However instead of being primarily centered from one account to another it is distributed among hundreds and thousands of accounts.

Then one day you turn off the faucet you start calling for your debtors to pay up, you watch as it ripples, people lose homes, companies fold, are bought by others, banks snipe banks (see Merrill Lynch > Bank of America or Bear Sterns > JP Morgan. also noted on that website). You call in your debt shrink the competitive market, and consolidate the debt. This debt consolidation was the issuance of the various packages that the US gov. issued, essentially bailing out the debt incurred by corporations to these very banks...who now control the debt in one account, that they back financially. For every dollar the banks put in they get .0018 cents out and that money comes entirely from their own pockets because all money is issued from the Federal Reserve. Essentially they pay themselves a .0018% increase on every dollar they own.

The best part of it all is, that roughly 90% of the money in circulation in the US is entirely "fictional" to lend a bank only needs to have 10% of the assets to cover it. The remaining 90% can be propped up using other assets such as other issued loans. Essentially meaning for every dollar lent it can be lent 9 times without actually existing at all as the bank only needs physically 10 cents on the initial one dollar.

But ill let you read about it more so you understand how your Fractional Reserve economic system actually functions, and how the Federal Reserve actually operates.

I believe that there should be a 10% sales tax added to all ammunition sold in the US. The proceeds would go toward supplying free dark chocolate to the countries' depressed citizens.

What if the sales tax in your state is already 9.25%? What then, smarty??

Well, this 10% tax would be ontop of that. ED. This, yes

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Jophiel wrote:

Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.

Hi. Don't do this. I'm going to ignore the rest of your post. I understand *exactly* how the Fed works. You do not. It's ok. You don't have to be a pretend expert on everything because you look up basic information via google. *golf clap*

I understand how the shareholder system works, how accountability works within that system, how monetary policy is derived, how the open market committee meetings work. All of it. It's confusing. It's somewhat intentionally obfuscated, which I understand is scary. But, while a nefarious broken conspiracy of the powerful elite would also be intentionally obfuscated, that's not what the Fed is. Really. It's just a weird central bank in the same way that the electoral college is a weird way to elect a president. Not calculated trickery or opaque abuse of power, just weird. "Reforming" the fed to make it more like, say, the ECB would accomplish virtually nothing, and very likely be quite harmful to the economy.

With the Fed Paul is just preying on the human weakness for xenophobia. You don't understand how it works, it's hard to come to an understanding of it, so isn't much more comforting to just assume there must be something wrong there? It's the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy people, the 911 Truth people, it's all the same. Fear of something they can't understand. Don't be afraid of the Fed. There are enough legitimate things to be terrified of in human existence, like driving in a motor vehicle, without inventing extra ones.

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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? ***. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

Hi. Don't do this. I'm going to ignore the rest of your post. I understand *exactly* how the Fed works. You do not. It's ok. You don't have to be a pretend expert on everything because you look up basic information via google. *golf clap*

I understand how the shareholder system works, how accountability works within that system, how monetary policy is derived, how the open market committee meetings work. All of it. It's confusing. It's somewhat intentionally obfuscated, which I understand is scary. But, while a nefarious broken conspiracy of the powerful elite would also be intentionally obfuscated, that's not what the Fed is. Really. It's just a weird central bank in the same way that the electoral college is a weird way to elect a president. Not calculated trickery or opaque abuse of power, just weird. "Reforming" the fed to make it more like, say, the ECB would accomplish virtually nothing, and very likely be quite harmful to the economy.

With the Fed Paul is just preying on the human weakness for xenophobia. You don't understand how it works, it's hard to come to an understanding of it, so isn't much more comforting to just assume there must be something wrong there? It's the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy people, the 911 Truth people, it's all the same. Fear of something they can't understand. Don't be afraid of the Fed. There are enough legitimate things to be terrified of in human existence, like driving in a motor vehicle, without inventing extra ones.

Ya it is weird, doesn't change the fact for every dollar of debt issued and paid these PRIVATE banks make .0018 cents. As for the electoral college it is a weird way to abuse power, and most certainly is steeped in trickery and opaque abuse of power...unless you have never heard of gerrymandering. I agree there are worse things that people should be afraid of, but it doesn't change the fact that the Fed is a corrupt system, controlled in majority by knowingly corrupt holdings members. Beat around the bush all you want, the system is ****, and by design does not allow the US to ever escape debt, as debt is the only way for the US to generate money.

Ya it is weird, doesn't change the fact for every dollar of debt issued and paid these PRIVATE banks make .0018 cents. As for the electoral college it is a weird way to abuse power, and most certainly is steeped in trickery and opaque abuse of power...unless you have never heard of gerrymandering. I agree there are worse things that people should be afraid of, but it doesn't change the fact that the Fed is a corrupt system, controlled in majority by knowingly corrupt holdings members. Beat around the bush all you want, the system is sh*t, and by design does not allow the US to ever escape debt, as debt is the only way for the US to generate money.

Nope. Easily the most successful banking system in the history of the world, and it's not close at all. Debt is not a problem currently, it's occasionally an issue in different economic circumstances. Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the electoral college, as states (other than Nebraska and Maine) don't issue votes by congressional district. It has never, not once, impacted a presidential election in any way, ever. So...wrong again, you ignorant motherfucker.

Try harder. Take five minutes to research things objectively before giving in to your tin foil hat fear fantasies.

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Last week, I saw a guy with an eyepatch and a gold monocle and pointed him out to Flea as one of the most awesome things I've seen, ever. If I had an eyepatch and a gold monocle, I'd always dress up as Mr. Peanut but with a hook hand and a parrot.

Cite for what? My opinion that this story is not all that interesting?

It's interesting if you're the kind of slack jawed moron who took Ron Paul even vaguely seriously, ever.

This. Ron Paul has not ever been a free market Libertarian. He's a politician who takes advantage of people who think they believe in those things (but themselves are too stupid to realize what is and what isn't really "free market" either). The only thing shocking about this is how long it took these idiots to realize that their messiah doesn't match their projected assumption of him and never has. Funny thing is that I'm sure there's a faction of Paulites right now who are sure that Paul really is the free market guy in the room, and are bashing those who are daring to fight the other side of this.

It's the blind and the dumb fighting the stupid. Amusing, I suppose, but only in a "saw that train wreck coming 100 miles away" sort of way.

This. Ron Paul has not ever been a free market Libertarian. He's a politician who takes advantage of people who think they believe in those things (but themselves are too stupid to realize what is and what isn't really "free market" either).

This. Ron Paul has not ever been a free market Libertarian. He's a politician who takes advantage of people who think they believe in those things (but themselves are too stupid to realize what is and what isn't really "free market" either).

So, a Republican?

Ron Paul is to Republicans what Barack Obama is to Democrats. The difference being that the overwhelming majority of Republican voters are smart enough to recognize when a politician is selling them a load of BS. Dems eat it up like candy though. How's that closing Gitmo going? Ending the WoT? Opposing the Patriot act? Ending surveillance of US residents and citizens? ****. How about them drone strikes? How about illegal/undeclared wars? King GeorgeObama seems to have settled into a comfortable use of exactly the sorts of executive powers he argued against just a couple years before taking the office.

Aside from one of them being electable and the other being thrilled to have thirty delegates.

Yes. Welcome to The Point(tm). Speaks volumes about which "side" is more easily fooled by a flashy line of BS.

Speaking of flashy lines of ***********

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Man, threads where gbaji and Smash agree so readily make me want to crawl into bed and sleep away a few months.

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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

Yes. Heaven forbid that someone actually listen to what the President is saying today and then contrast it with what he said just a few years ago. That's just dirty politics!

You know that's absolutely not what it's about. The average viewer (and roughly 90% of Republicans, and 100% of Fox interns) is incapable of comparing and contrasting subject matter in real-time with any degree of meaningful interpretation. This is about forcefeeding a gullible audience reactionary bits of pseudo-analysis, nothing more.

Yes. Heaven forbid that someone actually listen to what the President is saying today and then contrast it with what he said just a few years ago. That's just dirty politics!

You know that's absolutely not what it's about. The average viewer (and roughly 90% of Republicans, and 100% of Fox interns) is incapable of comparing and contrasting subject matter in real-time with any degree of meaningful interpretation.

Yeah. Because it's impossible to predict at all about 95% of what Obama will say in the speech and to have prepared counters to those things and then just queue them up when he says them. That would just be crazy! We should just have some interns thinking up responses on the fly with no prep at all, cause that just makes more sense.

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This is about forcefeeding a gullible audience reactionary bits of pseudo-analysis, nothing more.

No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

Yes. Heaven forbid that someone actually listen to what the President is saying today and then contrast it with what he said just a few years ago. That's just dirty politics!

You know that's absolutely not what it's about. The average viewer (and roughly 90% of Republicans, and 100% of Fox interns) is incapable of comparing and contrasting subject matter in real-time with any degree of meaningful interpretation.

Yeah. Because it's impossible to predict at all about 95% of what Obama will say in the speech and to have prepared counters to those things and then just queue them up when he says them. That would just be crazy! We should just have some interns thinking up responses on the fly with no prep at all, cause that just makes more sense.

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This is about forcefeeding a gullible audience reactionary bits of pseudo-analysis, nothing more.

No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

No. It's about going "told you so" over and over as Obama does exactly what conservative pundits have been accusing him of doing for years now.

WHAT, BEING A MUSLIM KENYAN MARXIST RACIST?!?!!

(I had caps lock on, but am too lazy to re type it.)

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin