I read over Josh's results and the sub would be good for a small to medium room. This sub got a passing grade at 12.5 Hz. Yes the sub was under stain pushing 140 V. How many HT push that much power. Chase has moved on and so should some of these people . The bottom line on the one GTG is that the subs were not properly setup!!!

And, if anyone was kicked out of AVS it was because of his conduct. The sub, or anything thing else had nothing to do with proper conduct!

Arguing with people who have a bumptious, gail attitude will be filled with skewed information.

I still have four of these subs and live about 2 hours from Josh....I wanted to see it tested and added to the data-bass and told Josh to go to town on it. No worries if it blows up as I have moved on from this sub. I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level. All of the big bass movies killed this sub in my room with my taste in bass.

Also, now we will see if the "new" subwoofer offered by Chane is any better. CHT said over and over they were going to send this sub in for testing and never did...so it is up to Chane to send a sub to Josh to prove that they are offering a "better" sub.

I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level.

I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

That's a good enough reason for me!
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

Eljay, I have not heard the SS18.1's, but based on output, it should be a massive upgrade in the low bass department. The SS18.1's hit 98 dB at 20 Hz. The new XV15's are around 108 @ 20 based on internal testing. From what I can see, the XV15se is up an average of over 8 dB from 20-31.5 Hz. I was also very impressed with their mid and upper bass output for music. I show the SS18.2 to be up 3 dB 40-63 Hz, but that does not surprise me as the testing indicated very high output in that region from the 18.1 So it looks like down 3 dB up top(do you need that or will you miss it?), but up a ton down low for movies.

I played(among quite a few others), the OHF Washington Monument scene, and was VERY impressed with the performance of the xv's, drastically higher LFE effect than I have ever experienced before.

I still have four of these subs and live about 2 hours from Josh....I wanted to see it tested and added to the data-bass and told Josh to go to town on it. No worries if it blows up as I have moved on from this sub. I struggled for a solid year trying to make this work in my 3000cf theater room and one look at the results shows me I had ZERO chance of making this sub work as a home theater system at reference level. All of the big bass movies killed this sub in my room with my taste in bass.

Also, now we will see if the "new" subwoofer offered by Chane is any better. CHT said over and over they were going to send this sub in for testing and never did...so it is up to Chane to send a sub to Josh to prove that they are offering a "better" sub.

We'll see. Jon offered to post any graph of his "new" sub. When he was asked to he took off screaming like a girl. He went from "I got lots of graphs" to a whole lot crap

It will be a while. Look how long it took cc to his get one of his subs done.

Originally Posted by laugsbach
Watching movies?.... yes, you are missing quite a bit if you want to reproduce what is on the disc at realistic levels. ... I haven't had the opportunity to hear any of the PSA subs....sorry!

No problem, and thanks for your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by bear123
Eljay, I have not heard the SS18.1's, but based on output, it should be a massive upgrade in the low bass department. ... it looks like down 3 dB up top(do you need that or will you miss it?), but up a ton down low for movies.

That sounds like what I'm missing. I think I need to talk to Tom V. in the near future. Thanks for your thoughts, too.

That's a good enough reason for me!
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

the XV15se would have a huge advantage around the tuning point. Probably will be down a few db up top and not extend as deep. I would be willing to bet that you would gain 5-8db in the 16-30hz range over your current setup. That is a ton of headroom

I just watched Pompeii @ -2 MV and my 3 XV15se were amazing. Clean, deep, hard hitting, and not a hint of port noise...of course I did not get to experience the entire disc being the track digs to 1hz, but I am content with solid 15hz on up.

That's a good enough reason for me!
I keep feeling that I'm missing something with my two SS-18.1s in my ~3,400 cu.ft. room, and now I'm wondering again whether PSA's new XV15se's might be an improvement. Any thoughts on the XV15se's vs. the SS-18.1s?

Eljay that is a large room and vented subs will serve you better. The PSA vented sub would be an excellent choice. Best of luck Eljay!

Originally Posted by derrickdj1
Eljay that is a large room and vented subs will serve you better. The PSA vented sub would be an excellent choice.

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Originally Posted by basshead81
the XV15se would have a huge advantage around the tuning point. Probably will be down a few db up top and not extend as deep. I would be willing to bet that you would gain 5-8db in the 16-30hz range over your current setup. That is a ton of headroom

I think I can afford to lose a bit of output higher up, in exchange for more output down to 20Hz and below. My old SVS PB12-NSD used to roll off at ~18Hz and my current subs roll off at ~17Hz, so I don't expect to get any more extension from a pair of XV15se's.

But if I can get more overall output, especially down low - AND retain the "tight" / "musical" qualities of the SS-18.1s (something I like, and something I found lacking in the PB12) - then they do sound like a good way to go.

I have not read all the posts here (been gone from AVS for a while) but correct me if I am wrong.

The accusation is that part used on CHT subs are Chinese. That is the Cliff's Notes version.

It is driven by he assumption that things made in China tend to be junk.

Yes, there is a large degree of truth there. However, the problem stems more from oversight that geography.

Lets use clothes and furniture as an example. Clothes made in China tend to have an unpleasant rough texture, and fall apart quickly. Furniture made in China usually falls apart ate 1 year of use (which is the warrantee period).

American made clothes are superior as are European. Fabrics made in India and other countries. However, there are a few places in China, where rigourous ovesight of contruction produces bette quality clothes. I have Handcock and Moore HT seats. They are hand made in America and superlative quality. They are expnsive. If you get Italian leather, you will pay more than $5k pr chair.

I paid $3.6k, and the leather was tanned in China. However, H and M oversight rejects all but top quality, so the Chinese leather is butter soft. Chairs are 3 and going strong

Lest apply the argument to subs: CHT may use parts made in China (as do many, many others) but assembly is done here, yes?

- Overall, my experience with the gear I bought through ChaseHT has been good, too.

- I can't say I'm a big fan of Craig or his style, but aside from one major customer complaint (whose validity, IMO, was questionable), both Craig and ChaseHT had a solid CS record. (And I haven't read about any issues with Chane so far.)

- FPB seemed to have an irrationally compulsive and comprehensive hatred of everything ChaseHT (company, products and owner). AVS cut him a surprising amount of spleen-venting slack.

The lawsuit appears to be dead in the water as Alex and Matt filed for bankruptcy.

WRT FPB, a very brief synopsis is that his subs did not perform as expected and that was tied to his measurements which did not support CHT's. The latter values if you'll recall tended to not be written in stone. Recently, another owner of the same sub sent it to Josh Ricci and his measurements supported FPB's, so there you go. My take on this is that Craig did not keep accurate records when it came to measurements and published some erroneous ones with questionable explanations. I don't see this happening with the Chane partnership. From all accounts, the new subs are quite well built and finished. Now this doesn't mean that all owners of the earlier iterations are displeased but I trust you understand.

Eljay, from talking to someone who saw those subs you were talking about at a GTG (they eventually wound up in tess's hands), they were pretty beat up looking.

"I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone that someone is probably the last person you should ask." - Gregory House

I am amazed at all the folks that can't let go of the past. I am glad not to waste anymore time on that old stuff. The past can't change for the anyone that felt they were treated wrong on the forum or disappointed that brought the small sealed sub and there, is so much more exciting stuff going on at Chane, PSA, Reaction Audio, or DIY that should make for better reading.

I don't question that the subs were beat up - I question the customer's story about how they got that way.

Under the presumable oversight of his brother and a lack of rigorousness WRT GMP. Bear in mind there was a lot of inconsistency back in the day. Another possibility is that Adrian Peterson got a hold of it but I haven't heard anything from Godell on this.

That was then. Now, things are different and there doesn't appear to be any reason for previous concerns. I wish them luck.

"I've found that when you want to know the truth about someone that someone is probably the last person you should ask." - Gregory House

I have gotten nothing but superb performance from my CHT subs. I did not use Audessy to tune them, I had a pro come in (with about $15k in measuring equipment).

If there is a flat spot, I sure as hell can't find it. I can run someone out of the room with 6 of these bad boys, and they system does not even break a sweat. They are not the prettiest (and are situated so that they are fairly well out of site).

I can't remember how much I paid, but they were very inexpensive in regards to what they produce.

As I have said before, you can get quality stuff from China via stringent production oversight. And the subs are assembled here, (USA) yes?

Here is an analogy: I have many pairs of running/workout shoes from New Balance. They have stuff made completely in China (which I never buy). They have shoes made in America, which are very high quality.

Then they have stuff with materials made in China, but the shoes are assembled in the USA. These hybrids are also of very high quality.

The lawsuit appears to be dead in the water as Alex and Matt filed for bankruptcy.

WRT FPB, a very brief synopsis is that his subs did not perform as expected and that was tied to his measurements which did not support CHT's. The latter values if you'll recall tended to not be written in stone. Recently, another owner of the same sub sent it to Josh Ricci and his measurements supported FPB's, so there you go. My take on this is that Craig did not keep accurate records when it came to measurements and published some erroneous ones with questionable explanations. I don't see this happening with the Chane partnership. From all accounts, the new subs are quite well built and finished. Now this doesn't mean that all owners of the earlier iterations are displeased but I trust you understand.

Eljay, from talking to someone who saw those subs you were talking about at a GTG (they eventually wound up in tess's hands), they were pretty beat up looking.

My BIL's HT: put a Chase single 18 sub...model I think was s18 or 18s...whatever, don't remember...sorry...it's ported. It's been having some kind of weird issue for over a year now and I haven't had a chance to go take things apart since it sits snug behind a fixed screen. The bass is almost non existent and mostly anemic...most, if any, lows just come from the speakers it seems...the woofer is vibrating to a degree when you put your hand on it. I'm wondering if it is the Dayton Audio SA1000 amp. Also, during playback, there will be random bass spikes...the sub is randomly chuffing...best way to describe it. Suggestions on how to address this?

Do you have another amp that you could try with the sub to be able to rule out if it's the amp or not?

Unfortunately, no...The sub is at my BILs and I don't own an amp I can take there...I messed with the levels on the amp, and the chuffing still happens randomly no matter if it's a quiet or loud scene...Do you think there might be a port loading issue in the sub?

If the driver can be easily pushed on and go back and fourth, then the driver is most likely OK. It sounds like the sub is a VS 18.1 with a slot at the bottom at the bottom of the sub. The chance that it is an issue with the box is rare unless something was put in the slot. In other words, it sounds like a bad amp.

Can someone remind me what the difference is between the SHO-10 and PRO-10? If I remember correctly, it was just the woofer...but I'm not 100% and couldn't find it anywhere.

If it is just the woofer, can I "upgrade" my PRO-10 speakers by simply replacing their woofers with Eminence Delta-10As? Is it that simple? Or would there be crossover adjustments (or something else) that would also need to be made?

Oh, I see. It would be totally normal for Ford to announce a new Mustang and start taking orders by saying, "It's different than the last one, I swear. i'm not going to tell you how or why, but it is. Really."

And no one would take issue with that. They don't have to prove anything.

Furthermore, Ford's last model was claimed to go 0-60 in 4.0s and not questioned by anyone, but as finally tested by someone who paid for it, turns out it was only 6.5s and he's pretty miffed.

But we're all supposed to just keep quiet in here and let people get taken for a ride again and again, we shouldn't discuss this on a forum and make the manufacturer prove their claim

I know this thread is old but this cracked me up. Anybody getting 6.5 seconds to 60 in any Mustang GT built since 2005 is doing it wrong...and should probably give it up. I know a lot of people who make the claim a car isn't as fast as the manufacturer claimed and yet reporters, even the ones from Motor Trend get at least the claimed times Ford put out for the Mustang... even the newer V6 does better than 6.5, everybody questions Ford, Chevy etc... this is why magazines test them to see if the claims are accurate.

My lowly bone stock 2006 GT did the 1/4 in 13.6 and 0 to 60 in 4.8, beating the magazines and Ford's claims, my guess is your friend would have run into the 14's, gotten out of the car and angrily claimed that Ford lied. The dragstrip is full of people who make claims, run down the strip only to learn the truth with a timeslip, if it's faster than they thought they are awesome drivers, if the time is worse, damn Ford/Chevy or whomever built the car, could never be their own fault...