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Double battles streak just ended at 65. Lost to team starting with terrakion, cresselia with cobalion and regigigas.
Everything was going great till bright powder holding, double teaming regigigas came out and everyones attacks started missing. Didn't land a single hit before slow start wore off. Machamp was already taken out before regigigas came out or it wouldn't have been a problem. Could have gotten a lot further, probably should have just switched machamp out for metagross at the beginning. I'll just have to try again. Any thoughts or comments about the team are appreciated.

Here's the team I used.

I know none of my team uses any kind of multiple hitting moves but Its worked out pretty well.

One of my leads. Can always survive the start of the fight and start powering up to wreck havoc later on and has great coverage for what ever may come. I pair him with my other lead machamp to take out all of his weaknesses.

My other lead. Usualy just dynamic punches everything to death or protects. End up using protect a lot more than what I orginally planned but a lot of the time he ends up very low on health and draws all the attacks from dragonite so he can set up even more or get extra hits in. I'll often switch machamp out with metagross when it gets too threatening for him, but only when hes at good hp otherwise he'll just die anyways due to the slow speed.

Overall great extra team member who is the tank for the team. He got me through the subway boss at 8hp haha. Usualy gets thrown in when I dont know the next pokemon switching in. Has basically perfect coverage, and is the much needed special attacker to change things up a little.

Metagross is the perfect compliment to dragonite and machamp. He can take any hit thats super effective on them like a boss. And is able to do some serious damage in return. Bullet punch was a relatively new addition over rock slide for him and it has been awesome taking out injured foes that would other wise get an extra turn in. He can often be switched in to replace machamp when theres too many physic attackers.

This team feel effortless, but work great, some short strategy using this team

Gengar is the lead, if the opponent slower than gengar, try using an effective attack, if 2HKO, just attack again, if less than 2HKO and Gengar was attacked, Destiny Bond, if opponent is faster than Gengar, just Destiny Bond right away. Most of time, Gengar can make 2-2 / 2-1 situation, after Gengar died, I send Garchomp if there's no ice type/ice attack user, and Spam Outrage right away, or Earthquake. 2 other moves is situational, only for those who 4x weak to them. Rock Slide is preffered for accuracy, and only for Bug/Flyings, Zard or Volc. Fire Fang for Scizor, Ferro and other 4x fire weak. I send Suicune when I'm facing pokemon that Garchomp can't stand like Ice type, this guy is so bulky, even it can survive critical hits, first use Subs for blocking status (and BS AI sometimes too stupid, trying to give status on sub) then spam CM, if sub breaks, sub again, if HP low, use Rest. After fair enough number of CMs, Scald (oh, you can also get pseudo-defense boost by tring burning opponent)

Spoiler:- how I lost:

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synopsis: Enemy sent out Regice, I Focus Blast, crit! Regice is about 25%, it used Ice Beam, Gengar is arount 30%. After some guessing, Shadow ball might KO Regice this turn, but not! It has like 1 HP left, it used Ice Beam again, Gengar fainted.
Sent out Suicune, and trying to get some CMs to get past that behemoth Sp.Def, it trying to boost its Sp.Atk with Charge Beam, after few turn, I can beat it.
Opponent sent out Landorus, this time I'm around 25% health with Substitute up, it used Earthquake, sub breaks, I used Scald, it hung with its Focus sash, it faster than me, it used EQ again, Suicune Fainted.
I sent out Garchomp, Outrage, it fainted. I prayed to not send Steel type like Registeel or....

that .0036% chance that your supposedly 100% accuracy outrage misses....
and the 9% chance it lands a Sheer Cold and then a Fissure right after... sucks bro. all that hard work down the drain from luck hax.

Double battles streak just ended at 65. Lost to team starting with terrakion, cresselia with cobalion and regigigas.
Everything was going great till bright powder holding, double teaming regigigas came out and everyones attacks started missing. Didn't land a single hit before slow start wore off. Machamp was already taken out before regigigas came out or it wouldn't have been a problem. Could have gotten a lot further, probably should have just switched machamp out for metagross at the beginning. I'll just have to try again. Any thoughts or comments about the team are appreciated.

Here's the team I used.

I know none of my team uses any kind of multiple hitting moves but Its worked out pretty well.

One of my leads. Can always survive the start of the fight and start powering up to wreck havoc later on and has great coverage for what ever may come. I pair him with my other lead machamp to take out all of his weaknesses.

My other lead. Usualy just dynamic punches everything to death or protects. End up using protect a lot more than what I orginally planned but a lot of the time he ends up very low on health and draws all the attacks from dragonite so he can set up even more or get extra hits in. I'll often switch machamp out with metagross when it gets too threatening for him, but only when hes at good hp otherwise he'll just die anyways due to the slow speed.

Overall great extra team member who is the tank for the team. He got me through the subway boss at 8hp haha. Usualy gets thrown in when I dont know the next pokemon switching in. Has basically perfect coverage, and is the much needed special attacker to change things up a little.

Metagross is the perfect compliment to dragonite and machamp. He can take any hit thats super effective on them like a boss. And is able to do some serious damage in return. Bullet punch was a relatively new addition over rock slide for him and it has been awesome taking out injured foes that would other wise get an extra turn in. He can often be switched in to replace machamp when theres too many physic attackers.

proof.
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nice record! I will go to the double subway soon because I feel motivated now

This guy is actually a tank when it comes to special defense, he is usually solid at absorbing the water attacks that tend to destroy my team, unless they are in rain or are physical. I'm not sure what to replace stealth rock with, it irks me to get rid of egg moves..

I'm not sure if I need to change anything with this guy, he absolutely wreaks havoc. Air balloon is an awesome help especially when I'm using my Garchomp as I can safely switch in on an earthquake and either set up or nail the opponent with his already insane attack power. X-scissor has helped me out when i would have otherwise been walled during a sweep as well, such as a bronzong.

This is the moveset I'm the most unsure about, mainly Dragon Claw and Substitute. Although Garchomp gave me a higher streak than I ever got with Landorus replacing him (42), he can be risky to use and set up. The sand veil/powder hax can sure be a game changer though.

This is the pokemon I rotate with Garchomp, he has never gotten a streak as high as chomp, however. I'm not too sure if I need a scarf on him considering excadrill has insane speed with his ability, and hidden power ice hasn't done me much justice as stone edge hits dragon types extremely hard anyways. Ground types also aren't really a problem.

I was also thinking about using a Virizion as my third slot, as it is only 2x weak to Ice and can tank the water/ice pokemon extremely well with its high Sp. Defence. Maybe a Calm Mind set?

I'd put protect over stealth rock on Tyranitar.
Maybe put air balloon on Tyranitar and a focus sash on Excadrill
For Garchomp maybe go with rock slide/Earthquake/Dragon Claw or Outrage/maybe sword dance as last spot
i'd put life orb on garchomp as well as you can't rely on hax too much.

how come you went for a mixed attacker on Tyranitar? your better of going for just one and changing the nature.

The real trouble is your chomp/tyra/exca all have very similar moves and so a calm mind virizion would be useful maybe
Calm Mind/Giga Drain/Hidden Power Ice not sure for last move.. hope this helps at least to some point

Hello sorry for double posting but felt I had to share this.
randomn00b made a thread here http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthr...tle-Subway-RMT which uses the new released Durant with truant and Entrainment. The Subway will not switch out as well which means an advantage of prediction. Durant coupled with a sweeper such as dragonite and using both protect and dragon dance can lead to amazing things in the subway. Although I myself don't have access to wifi this strategy has been used with great success over at smogon so thought I draw attention to it here.

It's a good idea, but ruined by any leads with Protect. The AI knows your Truant and will Protect every turn you aren't loafing around. That's pretty much the only problem I could see personally, without a Scarf Meinshao will Fake Out+HJK and KO every time. There are a few more threats, but those are the 2 biggest ones.