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Trump was right, 9/11 truth is based on BS people make up without thinking, without science; talk, the evidence used by internet kids who have no practical knowledge of physics, science, and math.

This web site continues to spew nonsense based on overwhelming ignorance. Has to be a scam to get 9/11 truth nuts to hit on the ads - follow the money, or are the authors of this dumbed down claptrap unable to do science.

Trump was right, 9/11 truth is based on BS people make up without thinking, without science; talk, the evidence used by internet kids who have no practical knowledge of physics, science, and math.

This web site continues to spew nonsense based on overwhelming ignorance. Has to be a scam to get 9/11 truth nuts to hit on the ads - follow the money, or are the authors of this dumbed down claptrap unable to do science.

Quoth the Donald "...I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel..." and "...It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction..."

They are from the donald the day of 9/11, or the next from an interview.

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Donald Trump: Right. I just think that there was a plane with more than just fuel. I think obviously they were very big planes. They were going very rapidly, because I was also watching where the plane seemed to be not only going fast it seems to be coming down into the building. So is getting the speed from going down hill so to speak. It just seemed to me that to do that kind of destruction is even more than a big plane because you're talking about talking about steel, the heaviest caliber steel that was used on the building. These buildings were rock-solid and you know it's just an amazing amazing thing. This country is different today and it's going to be different than it ever was for many years to come.

These are first impressions, and don't mean much.
The impact's kinetic energy were more than a plane and fuel, there was velocity squared; adding up to equal energy to bombs ranging from 1300 to 2000 pounds of TNT. It was more than planes and fuel, it was kinetic energy.

They are from the donald the day of 9/11, or the next from an interview.

These are first impressions, and don't mean much.
The impact's kinetic energy were more than a plane and fuel, there was velocity squared; adding up to equal energy to bombs ranging from 1300 to 2000 pounds of TNT. It was more than planes and fuel, it was kinetic energy.

Yes, first impressions from a person obviously out of his field of expertise, judging from his choice of words.
Might as well have asked the Trump Tower janitor for his impressions.

I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

It's a funny old game.

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I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

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Originally Posted by Architect

The ET comment has to be a Poe, mate.

I cam across some Truthers in the wild on FB recently. Waded in on them in a slightly bad tempered way. They did the normal Black Knight routine and then they all went quite. Didn't even have the conviction in their own beliefs sufficient to make a stand.

It's a funny old game.

The person who posted that is a Senior Member of the DIF, so I think it's unlikely to be a Poe. To be fair, one other member has taken issue with it, but the rest have seemingly accepted this as perfectly plausible.

Facebook group unknowingly celebrates ignorance. Is there money spreading the lie of chemtrails by asking for funding a study? Balsamo's is paranoid and stupid, or trying to find some money for nothing from nuts on the internet.

Building 7 collapsed due to shock waves generated by the collapse of the north and south main structures . These shock waves travel exactly like a shock wave travels from a moving train that hits a bad section of rail . The sound produces a wave that travels through the ground . And in the case of trains or heavy traffic , they are known to fracture underground pipes , even buried tank structures . That's why tanks that are to be buried underground near railroad tracks or major highways need to be placed in heavy concrete bunkers . The shock waves on 911 were thousands of times stronger and damaged building 7's foundation supports which led to eventual collapse . Conspiracy theories are based on emotion . They aren't factual .﻿

WTC7 collapsed from shock waves from WTC1 & WTC2.....7 and 7 1/2 hours after the fact....respectively. Apparently the fires were irrelevant.

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I don't have a source for where this theory came from (apologies if it's already been mentioned on this thread), but I recall years ago reading a truther thread where the claim was made that the buildings fell faster than freefall. The person making that claim clearly hadn't thought through the ramifications of such an idea.

Like a lot of conspiracy theories, it was simply based upon some supposed "anomaly" with the "official story" and therefore the official story was fake and the whole thing is a conspiracy. And like a lot of conspiracy theory "anomalies", the supposed anomaly didn't actually make sense in the context of a conspiracy or (lots of conspiracy theory "anomalies" with the "official story" make less sense in the context of the conspiracy being touted).

When it was pointed out to him that the common alternative theories behind the collapse of the towers (for example, a controlled demolition involving planted explosives or thermite or whatever) would not actually make the buildings fall faster than free fall, because that would be impossible no matter what caused the buildings to fall, he came up with quite an astounding theory as to what caused the buildings to fall faster than freefall.

He had clearly hung hit hat on the idea of faster than freefall collapse and would not change his mind on that matter, so he therefore concluded that there must have been some sort of force that pulled the buildings downward faster than gravity could have made them collapse. His conclusion? A nuclear bomb in the basements of the towers exploded and caused a vacuum under the towers. The vacuum was large enough to effectively suck the buildings downward faster than freefall to fill the space caused by the nuclear explosions.

I don't have a source for where this theory came from (apologies if it's already been mentioned on this thread), but I recall years ago reading a truther thread where the claim was made that the buildings fell faster than freefall. The person making that claim clearly hadn't thought through the ramifications of such an idea.

Like a lot of conspiracy theories, it was simply based upon some supposed "anomaly" with the "official story" and therefore the official story was fake and the whole thing is a conspiracy. And like a lot of conspiracy theory "anomalies", the supposed anomaly didn't actually make sense in the context of a conspiracy or (lots of conspiracy theory "anomalies" with the "official story" make less sense in the context of the conspiracy being touted).

You may be thinking of Crockett Grabbe:

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Figure 5 of Chap 2. South Tower collapse 1 second after Figure 3, in which gray clouds coming from the lower part of the top segment have quickly grown to a large size, at the same time at which the top segment has moved down in height 70 feet in that second, indicating an average acceleration rate in that second over 4X as large as gravitational acceleration.[1] The top segment is clearly disintegrating at its bottom.

Moments of optically measured greater than freefall acceleration could have happened in WTC7 as part of collapse dynamics due to leverage of the interior on the exterior. Maybe such a momentary phenomena could also be measured initially in WTC1/2 due to upper block rotation, but I am not aware of any discussion of it.

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1) The controversy over "freefall" at WTC 7 was during the "progression to global collapse" stage - when bits of free fall would not be unexpected despite Chandler and truth movement assertions to the contrary. And "...leverage of the interior on the exterior.." is a plausible explanation - for that stage of collapse.

2) The "upper block rotation" occurred during the late "initiation stage" for the Twin Towers - during transition to the progression stage which has been described as "ROOSD" - i.e. just before the break up of (at least most of) the Top Block and corresponding break up of the top of the Lower Tower.

Contrary to some explanations there was no free fall dropping of the entity of the Top Block so no source for possible "G" (or "over G") by leveraging. The "guts" of the Top Block did not collapse first contrary to the WTC7 progression event.

So the potential for "free fall" in the initiation /transition stage - when the rotation occurred - will be limited to single structural members or small sub-systems which have been broken free as part of initial impact and or the initiation cascading failure sequence.

And even if there were such examples they do not offer the potential for significant effect that the free fall of the WTC7 façade offered. Where by "significant" I probably mean "opportunities for truther mendacity".

When the Sept. 11 attacks occurred, the Center towers collapsed in six seconds, Miller says, not the 12 seconds it would have taken normal matter. Plus, all the concrete turned to dust. Having discovered the "mathematical interface that all steel is plastic" some years back, Miller understands perfectly what "the physics of plastic" is trying to tell him: A magnetic pulse brought down the towers.

What creates a magnetic pulse? C-4 plastic explosive. Who has C-4? The military. Who controls the military? The post office.

Oh, but it gets even better:

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It really amazes me that most people on this planet cannot fathom the english language.
Don't you realise that gravity also holds things UP as well as bring things down.....didn't pass physics at school huh?

I caught a few of them in a trap when they mention how Newton's Laws say that the bottom section of the towers pushes the top section with equal and opposite force by turning their own logic against them. I say:

So according to your logic and misuse of physics, it is impossible to open a door because no matter how hard you push or pull the door will push or pull back with equal opposite force.

One Truther said "well does the door have a hinge?" but the best one I got was "well that only works if the door is in free space"

The guy mentioning the door having a hinge still hasn't caught on that his logic was turned against him.