Hey Smurfy - the hourly feeds that Sienna has at night, for how long does she feed and is it both boobs each time?

Initially She has both boobs, around 15-20 mins each side (or until she gets frustrated - I assume cos I'm out of milk). Then she has 120ml formula straight after. Then I offer her 90mls around hourly if she's not settled, and she takes what she wants. I offer her the boob as well, but she doesn't feed long after the initial feed

Thank you for letting me know. I will keep feeding her tonight and see how we go.

Tonight we've done the following
5:15pm woke and breast fed both sides
6:15pm 140ml bottle
7:30pm quick BF and 90ml bottle
9:00pm quick BF, started bottle had 30ml and asleep at 9:45pm
She hasnt slept at all in this time, except for now. She may wake in half an hour for a top up and should then sleep through

Today and most days, Chelsea wakes around 5:30am and has a feed and then is grizzly, so get up and put her into her swing. She is then awake until about 11am!!!!!! She will have little feeds throughout the morning and then generally falls around 11am.
She then wakes again at about 1:30pm/2pm - has a big feed and then sleeps until about 4:30/5pm.
We do boob, bath, then boob again and put her down at 7pm. The fun starts and i will feed her again around 8pm and she will fall around 9/9:30pm. Only to wake again by about 11:30/12am.
Will feed and she will wake about 1:30/2 or 2:30/3am - feed again and gets her through until about 4:30/5am.

Tonight have fed her everytime she has woken throughout the evening, but she will drink for 5 mins and falls asleep.

Tomorrow I am going to try her on the SOS routine and stick to it. Put her in her bed and if she starts screaming, stay strong and keep her in there.
I just can't operate on this little sleep anymore

Is she asleep when you put her in bed? If so, does she stay asleep, or wake when you put her down? Sienna has been difficult to get to sleep during the day. This week I've started walking around the house with her, and it has worked perfectly in getting her to sleep.

After saying she sleeps through, she decided that waking at 2:00 was a good idea. Now I can't get back to sleep. I've started stressing about MIL and DHs nephew, who both arrive today. I've been worrying about the judgment and interference I'm going to get during Sienna's evening cluster feeding. I'm going to be banished to my bedroom for Breastfeeding, so I'm thinking I'll keep a bottle in here and give that to Sienna before we head back to the lounge room. It's a bit much, feeling like I have to feed my child in secret to avoid unwanted advice. It's weird though, I think if I gave her a bottle with 200 mls of formula, no one would think anything of it, but because she's taking that volume over multiple bottles, people have a problem with it.

My mum has been involved a lot since Sienna was born, and she still tries to force her to take a dummy in the evening, instead of a bottle. It's just not worth the screaming. Every person from mum's generation has been the same, telling me to give her the dummy.

Sorry for the ramblings, I'm just trying to get all this out, so I can relax and go to sleep. I hope the next 8 days go fast and I'm still sane at the end of it

Today and most days, Chelsea wakes around 5:30am and has a feed and then is grizzly, so get up and put her into her swing. She is then awake until about 11am!!!!!! She will have little feeds throughout the morning and then generally falls around 11am.
She then wakes again at about 1:30pm/2pm - has a big feed and then sleeps until about 4:30/5pm.
We do boob, bath, then boob again and put her down at 7pm. The fun starts and i will feed her again around 8pm and she will fall around 9/9:30pm. Only to wake again by about 11:30/12am.
Will feed and she will wake about 1:30/2 or 2:30/3am - feed again and gets her through until about 4:30/5am.

Tonight have fed her everytime she has woken throughout the evening, but she will drink for 5 mins and falls asleep.

Tomorrow I am going to try her on the SOS routine and stick to it. Put her in her bed and if she starts screaming, stay strong and keep her in there.
I just can't operate on this little sleep anymore

Miss x there is heaps of different advice you will be given and feel free to take or leave the following. If she is feeding for 5 mins and falling asleep it's likely she is only getting foremilk and none of the fatty hind milk. Try changing her nappy and waking her up. The aba told me this as my little man was feeding every 1.5 hours. Worked wonders.
I also learnt for us that in the 2 hours before bed I offer 3 feeds, so upon waking feed, then a play, the a feed, then bath then feed. This cluster feed means his first sleep is the longest of the night.

We also worked out 7pm bed time didn't work for us. He would wake up within an hour or two. So I started putting him down for a nap around 6ish for 45 mins. And doing our night routine from 7-9pm this worked better for me as I then wen to bed with him at 9pm and oddly enough he slept much better. If I didn't give him the short sleep around 6 we would be all night. Ds body clock appeares to be more a r 9-9 he just isn't a 7-7 sleeper. Now he is almost 4 months and our day has naturally become 8-8. We still feed 2-3 times but often he sleeps 8-1,2,3ish.

Something that was also helpful for me was learning Tired signs and putting down earlier. He only can be awake about An hour or so before being ready for a nap.

Good Luck the first few weeks are the hardest. I promise it gets easier with time.

Today and most days, Chelsea wakes around 5:30am and has a feed and then is grizzly, so get up and put her into her swing. She is then awake until about 11am!!!!!! She will have little feeds throughout the morning and then generally falls around 11am.
She then wakes again at about 1:30pm/2pm - has a big feed and then sleeps until about 4:30/5pm.
We do boob, bath, then boob again and put her down at 7pm. The fun starts and i will feed her again around 8pm and she will fall around 9/9:30pm. Only to wake again by about 11:30/12am.
Will feed and she will wake about 1:30/2 or 2:30/3am - feed again and gets her through until about 4:30/5am.

Tonight have fed her everytime she has woken throughout the evening, but she will drink for 5 mins and falls asleep.

Tomorrow I am going to try her on the SOS routine and stick to it. Put her in her bed and if she starts screaming, stay strong and keep her in there.
I just can't operate on this little sleep anymore

Hi MissX! I was having a quick read through and thought I would respond to ur post, I know what sleep deprivation does as with Axle things have got worse as he is getting older rather than better thanks to his serve reflux!
Anyways I absolutely love the SOS routines but I can't handle the cry it out method she uses. I can't bare to see them so upset! Maybe Try and find something that is comforting to her maybe the shh, pat, shh etc... That's if you prefer.
Following her routines will help her realize the day and night difference as Chelsea sleeps longer periods during the day than night she might have them mixed up! With the night time routine have you considered co-feeding? So it would be boob, bath, bottle?
I know what it's like to be receiving heaps of different ppl opinions as with axle reflux they have been coming in from everyone, take what you think is right and move on is my recommendation!

Hi Everyone else! Sorry I haven't been on to update, mil is here to help me out and return some of my sanity as I would of been checking into hospital myself otherwise!
I have a new understanding for having a troublesome baby that's for sure! The next person that tells me oh their baby had reflux because they spewed a lot, I'm going to punch in the face! If your baby didn't need medication and seeing a heap of different specialists, it wasn't reflux! Makes me so angry lol. And yes before you try suggesting everything you did, I have done everything you can even imagine possible already, yes I have googled it, yes the cot is elevated, yes he is on thickened formula, yes i keep him upright for 30 mins after eating, yes i have started him on solids, yes i avoid high acidic food, yes I have rung pmh, I have seen a pediatrician, dietician, speech pathologist, ultra sounds, urine and stool samples, you name it I've done it!! Yes this is *** hard work and no I'm not making it worse than it seems, if you ask me how in going I probably will cry!
Sorry for the rant its really driving me bonkers!!! Some ppl just have no idea how extremely stressful this can be!
Axle is the food refuser reflux sufferer which makes it really hard, I'm lucky if he takes 300mls in TOTAL for the day, which means be goes through that vicious circle of too hungry to sleep, too tired to eat and it's never ending!
I'll go through in more depth later as my eyelids are going to shut!

Hope everyone else is doing really well, could do with same more pics if the kiddies!

Thank you Choccie and so many hugs to you - I don't know how you do it!! I am only just shy of 4 weeks and feel all I have done us whinge. So decided to stop posting until it gets better.
I realised yesterday that this is just Chelsea and I need to accept that I am going to be up a lot during the nights.
However really really trying to stick to the SOS routine as much as possible. Chelsea though doesn't want to eat the 25 mins one side, 15 the other. Tonight over about 50 mins we managed 20 mins one side, but then spent over an hour burping & she seemed to be in a bit of pain. This is the first time I am considering that maybe she has reflux? But I still think she is jut drinking too much as I try and make her do the 25 mins. As of last night, we decided to give EBM for the night milk, about 150mls and again, seemed to upset her a bit, but then DH made both us do the crying til she fell asleep and she then slept almost 3 hours!! Just all a bit confusing!
My mum arrives tomorrow, so hopefully she can see if there is anything else we can try!!
Again massive hugs Choccie xx

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