On-console? No. Pointless, really. People always want it for a year or so after the transition, but demand dies off pretty quickly, and doesn't warrant developing the pretty complex emulation like they did on the 360 for Xbox games.

It takes up more space, but just continue to use a 360 for a few years until all you want to play is new XBO games.

The early rumours years ago was that they would have a cheap device to piggy back on the Xbone that was essentially a micro 360. I quite liked that idea.

The lack of BC with X1 had the opposite effect that Microsoft intended though. Instead of making me have to keep my 360 to keep my digital library, it lead me instead to go "you know what? fuck these guys" and ditch the whole library altogether, which frees me up to choose between X1 and PS4.

if by some dark magic I even end up having dual consoles - for the first time ever - multi platform games will be on PS4 hand down. This is extraordinarily unlikely from a financial aspect, but I am finding X1 has a handful of exclusives that demand my attention.

It would have been really nice and convenient to have bc with the Xb1, but at the end of the day if all I have to do is keep my 360 (which is worth fuck all anyway), then it's not such a big deal.

There is one problem though, the 360 and PS3 both launched with loads more games than either of these next gen consoles are launching with, they also had lots of games out in the first year. Games for the Xb1 and the PS4 are a bit thin on the ground this time round, and therefore bc would have been nice.

I don't know if it would have been financially viable, but surely they could have made a 360 emulator? Especially as the One runs a version of Win RT.

It's not too big a deal, for me at least (as I'll be keeping my 360), but anyone who's trading up wouldn't really have a large collection of games to play, and it's the kinda thing that can sweeten transition for some people.

Actually, if they did have BC, it might have tempted me to get one at launch, as I could still have finished playing Halo 4 in the front room (as the 360 is getting relegated once I get a One)!

ubergine wrote:
The early rumours years ago was that they would have a cheap device to piggy back on the Xbone that was essentially a micro 360. I quite liked that idea.

+1
Shame they had to drop it. I think they would have got more sales day one, heyho!

Isn't that kind of what the newest 360 is? It can be plugged into and played from the Xbox One, it's designed to look like one, it plays every 360 game and is relatively cheap (though I don't know how cheap exactly).

Britesparc wrote:
I don't know if it would have been financially viable, but surely they could have made a 360 emulator? Especially as the One runs a version of Win RT.

Financial viability's got nothing to do with it. Even if they could do it, at the end of the day the Xbox One isn't powerful enough to run a 360 emulator at anything even remotely approaching full speed and the architectures of the two machines are just too different to allow any meaningful cheats that might help speed things up.

Not so much "won't do" as "can't do". Not without a significant hardware component, anyway.

ubergine wrote:
The early rumours years ago was that they would have a cheap device to piggy back on the Xbone that was essentially a micro 360. I quite liked that idea.

+1
Shame they had to drop it. I think they would have got more sales day one, heyho!

Isn't that kind of what the newest 360 is? It can be plugged into and played from the Xbox One, it's designed to look like one, it plays every 360 game and is relatively cheap (though I don't know how cheap exactly).

So, umm, why are people saying that you can't play 360 games through the xbone?

I AM UTTERLY CONFUSED NOW!

My understanding of the feature is how you describe. When I first heard about it, I thought it was kind of a clever way of recouping the cost of the free 360 repairs.

ubergine wrote:
The lack of BC with X1 had the opposite effect that Microsoft intended though.

I was going to say, if the xbox is like the playstation, there are many who have said "You know what, fuck your new console with no games on it (which you want £50+ for minimum), I'll keep this gen for another year and gorge on all the lovely games that are on it while you shit your pants and drop the prices"

ubergine wrote:
The early rumours years ago was that they would have a cheap device to piggy back on the Xbone that was essentially a micro 360. I quite liked that idea.

+1
Shame they had to drop it. I think they would have got more sales day one, heyho!

Isn't that kind of what the newest 360 is? It can be plugged into and played from the Xbox One, it's designed to look like one, it plays every 360 game and is relatively cheap (though I don't know how cheap exactly).

So, umm, why are people saying that you can't play 360 games through the xbone?

I AM UTTERLY CONFUSED NOW!

My understanding of the feature is how you describe. When I first heard about it, I thought it was kind of a clever way of recouping the cost of the free 360 repairs.

You CAN plug an Xbox 360 into the HDMI-in port on an Xbox One, and play Xbox 360 games through that.

BUT apparently the port isn't really fast enough to support the twitch-demands of gaming, so there will probably be some degree of lag, and therefore MS don't recommend it.

Regardless of which version of the Xbox 360 you have, as long as it has an HDMI port, this should work.

It's an incedibly bad decision, really, given XBLA & Games on Demand. Those products now have a definite shelf life limited to 360 hardware. BC was 'nice, but...' when it only applied to disks, but now? Missed opportunity for both sides.

No BC also means it's a clean break. I don't want any of its titles anywhere near enough to justify the price. Bye bye, Xbox.

I don't really have room on my desk for two consoles, so never instead end to keep a last-gen console next to a new one. I'd figured a device to allow BC on x1 would essentially be a small box with a dedicated port, and discs would go in the x1 disc drive. Mainly though it's about games I bought digitally. I tossed out hundreds of dollars of digital games and content when I dumped the 360. I found I was fine enough with never playing any of it again, but it hadn't left me kindly disposed to Microsoft, or the idea that I might start that process anew in their new console and possibly be screwed again down the track.

the 360 and ps3 have had pretty shit for games compared to the games of ps1 and ps2 of their generation. I wanted BC when I first got a ps3 but IF i do get a ps4, I couldn't care less for any games to carry over.

this current gen has been completely crap compared to the previous ones.

It would be nice but it does tend to be forgotten when new games come out. I deleted most of my XBLA games because I won't play them again. Games are becoming a service so your unlikely to have much of a history going forward, onto the next new thing. I suppose x86 might mean BC is common going forward but they might end up going ARM next time. I think you will pretty much live or die by servers now. They want control.

I agree. My next-gen requirements were full backwards compatibility and 1080p 60fps. Neither of which the next-gen consoles appear capable of but the Wii U is.

Why on earth would you set demands you know will not be met? We've known for more than a year that BC was off the table. And even though it would be nice to have, it would have been suicide for MS and Sony. The price of the consoles would have to be increased by something like 100£. You might be willing to pay that premium. The majority of consumers wouldn't.

As for 1080p and 60fps, of course the hardware is capable. The current gent consoles have that capability too. It's completely in the hands of the developers though. The Wii U is in no way more capable of doing 1080p@60fps than the next gen consoles. It just so happens that the primary publisher/developer (Nintendo) mandates it for the majority of its own games.

I think it's time we got upgradable consoles instead of this generation thing we have now. We spend thousands on games for five or six years and then just wipe the slate clean and start again.

Is it just me who finds this ridiculous? I can't say I'm looking forward to the current generation consisting of a handful of titles and the entirety of gaming history, up to this very day, being relegated to retro obscurity.