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Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:51:08 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317474[11] & [12] The calculation accounts for the 40 man roster, so no problem for the DL as long as they keep using league minimum replacements. And the Gardner $ will be meaningful, but there’s still room.
]]>By: JeremyMhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317473
Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:39:21 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317473Not to mention, the word is that Gardner is expected to get more in arbitration than has been assumed in these budgeting calculations.
]]>By: JeremyMhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317472
Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:38:25 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317472I don’t understand all the ins and outs of this, but in order to hit $189 they’d basically not be able to lose anyone to the DL, because every call-up not included in that 185.5 would add to the total payroll (and presumably most of Roberts bonuses would kick in if he didn’t hit the DL).

There’s just no way it can work with the contracts they have out there right now.

]]>By: William Julianohttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317470
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:55:13 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317470[7] Here’s a link specific to the revenue sharing refund scheme: http://www.captainsblog.info/2013/01/23/flaw-in-the-yankees-budget-plan-breaking-down-mlbs-revenue-sharing-system/18956/
]]>By: William Julianohttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317469
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:51:34 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317469[6] As mentioned by RIYanks, there is also a revenue sharing rebate, that is only payable to teams under the threshold. However, that doesn’t change your point, which is the Yankees don’t NEED to get below $189 million because they are thriving financially above it. Also, because the luxury tax limit jumps from $179mn to $189mn, the Yankees would actually save $5mn just by staying at the status quo. The genesis of the plan seems to be Hal noticing the carrots in the new CBA (there are no sticks outside the amateur signing rules) and naively assuming that the Yankees should be able to be as successful with a lower payroll (i.e., the “other teams win the WS under $189mn” argument that he promoted). However, what Hal ignored is the Yankees brand requires winning EVERY year, not simply being on the fringe of contention and winning an occasional World Series. And, he paid a hefty price for ignoring that, namely over $50mn in lost ticket revenue last season alone.

This post has a few links about plan $189mn as it pertains the potential financial benefit as well as the state of the Yankees finances according to publicly available estimates.

]]>By: Jon DeRosahttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317468
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:51:53 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317468The point is that the option (however crappy that option would be for fans of a certain type in 2014) to stick to the 189-plan is still open. And it’s either a remarkable coincidence or it’s deliberate.
]]>By: RIYankhttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317467
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:08:25 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317467[6] That’s not quite right — there’s also the division of the Net Local Revenue money. But I can’t remember exactly how that works — the money is shared based on payroll, but I don’t believe it’s based on the Luxury Tax threshold, in any case.
]]>By: monkeypantshttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317466
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 04:43:00 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317466[5] Of course, the organization doesn’t really *need* to stay under $189 to save money. If they stay close to $189, they are still taxed at a high rate, but only on the small amount they exceed the threshold. The more intriguing question to me is, what is the organization’s goal (assuming their planning is not simply incoherent)?

I mean, getting *below* $189 only really matters if the longer term plan is to jump above the luxury tax threshold in the near future. In that scenario, the organization resets the tax rate before spending big, which would save a lot of money while still allowing the Yankees to field a highly competitive team (in theory). In this case, they take a short term beating for a longer term gain.

However, if the plan is simply to save money while fielding a team of Proven Veterans™ and Known Name Players™, then they only need to stay at or near the tax threshold—if they go below, great, if they go above the tax will not be that much. But if they win the requisite 85+ games, they’ll keep enough fans in the seats and glued to the TV to make lots of money. Heck, with the second wildcard, they can even “stay in the hunt” with a thoroughly mediocre team

O course, the third possibility is the organization has no coherent plan. In that case, Ichiro!

]]>By: William Julianohttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317464
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 03:14:38 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317464Even without Arod’s salary, the Yankees have little chance of getting under $189mn. The math works like this. So far, $150.5mn (sans Arod) is committed to 2014 AAV, but that only covers 14 players. In addition, the Yanks will pay about $11.9mn in benefits, which count toward the cap. Add in another ~$12mn in estimated arbitration salary for four players (and it could be higher; includes DRob, Gardner, Pineda, Phelps) and ~$11mn to fill 22 roster slots with league minimum players (again, a low assumption), and the payroll sits at $185.5mn in a best/worst case scenario. Finally, Jeter, Kuroda and Roberts all have bonuses that could amount to ~$4 million, putting them over the limit.

The only way the Yankees can get below $189mn is if EVERYTHING breaks right from a financial standpoint. Of course, that also means a lot of things will have gone wrong on the field.

]]>By: brianghttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317463
Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:38:44 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317463nah, man. the yankees have made some much needed moves and there is more holes to fill, more holes to fill, more holes to fill. but they’ll fill them, with someone’s or anothers, and i don’t mind because i like the question marks and the young kids and the element of the unknown….the yankees already have a far more interesting team than last year and i liked last year. you know who’s happy? i am. i wanna see vidal, phelps, b. roberts, preston….i wanna see em sink or swim. the yankees can do no right in anyone’s eyes. fuck robbie cano and paying him all that money. i’ll miss him but i’m glad he ain’t getting that contract from the yankees. there is no definitive fix. CC could be OLD now….who knows what will happen?….let’s go spring training…let’s go yankees…let’s go baseball…let the chips fall where they may!!!!!
]]>By: Greg Ghttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317462
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 23:55:18 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317462Jon,

As an owner, it would be great if I could save/recoup 100 mil.

As a fan, I have no skin in the game. But, I guess you are right that if ARod beats Bud, then the Yanks could open up the vault a year early.

Tanaka’s drawn out process might make it easier for the Yanks to sign a free agent pitcher, as most will likely wait it out to see who is the bridesmaid to Tanaka, but most of what I see is dreck. (sp?)

]]>By: Jon DeRosahttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317460
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:16:53 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317460I’m already rooting for Arod to beat Bud, and now there’s so much more that comes with it, namely qualified starting pitchers for 2/5 of the rotation.
]]>By: Greg Ghttp://www.bronxbanterblog.com/2013/12/20/duke-duke-aro/#comment-317459
Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:59:22 +0000http://www.bronxbanterblog.com/?p=110719#comment-317459This is about the team that I expected them to field for 2014.

They will be saving a bundle of money if they get under 189 mil. Some reports are 100 mil. (some of the luxury tax paid is refunded I believe) and it resets to a lower % taxable rate.

The Yanks are never going to say we aren’t about winning, but this year the cap is in place. They have just enough nifty acquistions to say, “Hey, we are going for it.” and enough holes to fill, where we can assume that this is pretty close to the squad they will run out there, and likely come up short. They can’t take the PR hit and raise the white flag now in what is probably Jeter’s last season.

Will they be better or worse than the 2013 version? Health will factor in with Jeter and Tex returning, and it is a very old team, which is a good reason to hold onto Gardner. Insurance if an outfielder breaks down, and also the Yanks lone trade chip if they need one more piece to get to the playoffs. (If they are within whiffing distance).

If I were the owner I would find a way to save/recoup all that money. It was a bit of a tease with 3 big deals, but I figure that was all we will likely see on big ticket items, unless some very creative trades are worked out, this might very well be most of the players that they will trot out minus (Ichiro & Wells?) I wouldn’t go big dollars with Santana and Garza.

ARod in all likelihood will be suspended for the season. I know he has some high-paid lawyers, but I think there is a good reason every other player involved took their suspensions last year. MLB must have serious evidence.