How exactly do other creatures pollute? I don't think monkeys or squirrels are responsible for a continent of decomposing plastic in our oceans that may be responsible for the end of marine life as we know it. Every species does get sick, but only humanity is responsible for the engineering of chemicals and materials that create man made diseases and infections that have killed millions. Many of the other things you have listed off are only possible because of civilization, and industrial progress. And Civilization itself is not exactly a natural progress... It changed mankind's perspective from what the earth will provide to what man can provide from the earth, and since then we have not viewed nature the same. Everything is viewed as resource, something beautiful doesn't matter unless it brings profit. Don't let the popular environmental movement fool you, global warming is the least of our problems, there are much worse environmental and post-growth economic problems on our horizon. Don't get me wrong, I'm no misanthropist wishing for the eradication of humanity, but I know damn ******* well the earth would be better off without us and I won't be ignorant and apathetic enough to fool myself the opposite. It's just about trying to live in a more sustainable way that doesn't involve humanity living like a parasite to a host.

Humans for the longest time did what every animal did, **** everything else and survive. The difference is we were smart. We learned how to take the things around us and use them to aid us. **** the cold, **** the dark, **** you you and you who tried to eat us. We took all we could to stockpile in case we needed it later like a rodent with nuts. Only recently did we realize that we are the Master of our own survival not the world around us. We saw that it was our responsibly as the rulers of the world to protect those under our rule. We may not be perfect, but we are what we are.

I'd like to say I'm a fairly cynical optimist. I've been on this site for about 3 years as a user now, and yet, I've only seen one comment as gloriously uplifting as that one. Thank you for such a great post.

You're a fool humans are nothing more then a plague that destroy and leave nothing but carnage behind them. We not only cuase(d) the extinction of thousands of animals, but to ourselves as well. True we can do amazing things , and true we are the best possible example of brain over brawn , but humans do nothing but break the seven deadly sins, but can you blame us? we are after all like that by nature. At of all living things in this world we are the only ones who defy nature, and in doing so destroy our mother.

"why would you ever love something that never loved you back?" This line makes it sound like you think I have never been loved before. As if I come from a broken home , and my parents abused me. That's not the case not in the least. Let me explain this to you I hate humans because I can see us for what we are. We are animals warm blooded ruthless mammals. That stop at nothing to get ahead in life. Clouded in judgement by our own greed. Truthfully you are no different you try to act as if humans aren't what I said, but then you go and prove my point. Telling me to kill myself? if that's not a prime example of wrath then what is? Humans come and obliterate anything in their way. Forests, cities, even other people.

i only hate us as humans because when aliens arrive, the humans are gonna be incredibly hostile towards them because in almost every movie ever, the aliens are assholes who want nothing but to kill us, and if they are being friendly, it's just a cover-up for their actual plans, of killing us all. There can be an alien race that never had any wars, but the moment they come here, they're gonna get welcomed with bullets and missiles and then kill us, because we're insecure assholes who will shoot anything that competes with our intelligence.

TL;DR: Humans are gonna be mean to aliens and we're gonna shoot them down when they arrive, which will cause them to counterattack and kill us. Humans are assholes and it is almost inevitable because of movies and ****. THAT'S the only reason i hate humans

Our leaders aren't "HURR ALIENS IN FICTIONAL MOVIES ARE EVIL SO REAL LIFE IS EVIL TO"

Our leaders will seek a peaceful solution, there is no if or buts about it, they may be on edge, but they will try and seek peaceful solution, there is a **** ton of more positives to being peaceful then hostile, please use your brain, it's the thing in your head that makes you think

we can't even be peaceful among ourselves, humans can't even get along just because what they believe/where they live/a lot of stuff. as it stands, I believe humans would be more hostile towards aliens then you expect

I understand that I'm a bit late... but honestly, if we were invaded by aliens, the least we would do is come together and try to negotiate/compromise with the aliens. Movies are like that because that's what entertainment companies are all about. If someone created a movie about aliens coming to Earth and then nothing happens, no fighting, no war, or anything of the matter, then it would be BORING and nobody would watch it. Just because a movie depicts something doesn't mean that is how it actually is. If we made contact with extra-terrestrial intelligence, sure we would be uneasy at first, but we would definitely be non-hostile towards them because we would still be unsure of their capabilities.

We kill other animals for fun, We kill other people for fun, We are chained by other humans and forced to do their bidding, yeah we are civilized. The seven deadly sins are not man made Ideas they all exist in us. We just made them "important" , and I personally agree with it. They are all sins that we should not commit. Yet everyone of us does it. Imagine for a second a world where we weren't wrathful, or greedy, or lustful. what a perfect world that would be. No Hitlers, No Bernie Madoff's and no Josef Fritzl's. What we do is natural? Slavery, rape, murder yeah natural sounds about right. Humans defy their nature it's as simple as that. We aren't programmed to mate for life , and yet we try too. Humans think themselves better then all other animals, but were not .

Humans are the result of every bad thing an animal is capable of doing put into one thing."Everything forces others to do their bidding. The earth is made a slave by the gravity of the sun, the trees enslaved by the fertility of the soil, the ant is made a slave by the queen, the ribosomes are enslaved by the nucleus, it is a trend followed throughout nature. Things end, things control one another, that is nature." Are ******* kidding me? That's not even remotely the same thing people took other people and treated them like they weren't people. Also all the ******* examples you gave are a give and take relationship. For instance the sun traps the earth, but gives it life.

I could go on talking to you , but you are a hopeless child. One who believes the lies told to them by mummy and daddy. The kind that does not argue with the way society raises us. Kind of like a Nazi just following the orders given on to you. Pathetic I hope you awaken soon kid.

I call you a child because 1. I have a few years on you and 2. You are blind to the big picture. Ignorant to the true ways of people. When was I ever insulted? We believe in two opposite views. I believe you're views are wrong. It is as simple as that. It was not random name calling. Nazi's followed orders without questioning what they were doing. As much of society does today. I honestly don't care what you believe. You told your views , and then I told mine. Feel free to believe what you want I just think you are wrong. Why do I believe I am right? why do you not? People continue to prove again and again and again how ****** up we are. How ******* arrogant we are how down right cynical we are. "I would be surprised if you formulated 1% of what you believe." Not quite sure what you mean by that.

People are pathetic animals. The only thing remotely impressive about us is our brain, and even then the only impressive thing about it is that it gives us reason. People say human reason is what separates us from the animals. However their are people who don't listen to reason. Ignorant people such as Racists so tell me are they still people? or just animals?

You can tell who you wouldn't want to hang out with by looking through the comments railing against you in anger. Anyone who responds negatively to this is clearly just a negative person to be around in general. Thank you all for making my social life easier.

"the earth is better off with us"
i'm going to tell you why you're wrong

the "beautiful secrets of the universe" only have meaning because we give it to them, they don't exist to be admired, they just exist
sure, humans try to help fix things, only after they're the ones that caused the problem though, wildlife habitats wouldn't be needed if we would stop destroying the land that these animals lived in, or if we stopped over catching/hunting/poaching these species

"the pollutants in the air were once in the soil" because that's where they belonged, then humans put them into the air, and just look at how healthy that air is for life..

humans **** things up for the entire earth, simply to make their own lifes easier, and then they try to fix the damage they did and then think they're doing the right thing, even though if humans never existed then there'd be nothing that got ****** up that needed fixing

In that comment of victory, you reply with only negativity. I ask why.
We are humans, guardians of all that exists. The roots of the planet have grown deep under our careful tending. Where there is life, the wisdom of our countless generations has saturated the soil. Our strength is a luminous sun towards which all intelligence blossoms. And the impervious shelter beneath which it has prospered. We stand before you. Accused of a sin of ensuring human ascendancy. Of attempting to save other species from a certain fate where you are trying to force us to recede... Humanity stands as the greatest species on Earth, trying to eradicate us is a fools gambit. We squander eons in the darkness, while you try to suggest our triumphs aren't our own. The mantle of responsibility belongs to humans alone.
Think of our acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality. Our ascendency is only going to continue. And you are hopeless to stop it.

I was implying that without humans in the way, another species would have evolved to be much the same as us, though possibly not as caring about that which they destroy. There is no magical "everything is the same except the humans are gone" scenario.

Not necessarily, maybe a species along the way that died out that was similar to homo sapiens, but even then, it was only through interbreeding with the other similar species that we evolved to what we are.
Though it is unlikely that another species would evolve to our level from another line, such as your giant salamanders for example, because it just does not work that way.

right
yeah, sorry, that was brash of me.
okay. so we humans produce a hell of a lot of pollution. a HELL of a lot. so much that it's ****** up the ozone layer in some places. cows produce a hell of a lot too - but we're responsible for that because we made so bloody many of them.

as a conscious species, we have an ethical responsibility to try and fix what we reaped, no? or are you the type of person who goes through life doing **** and saying, 'other people have done worse things and thus I have no ethical responsibility to fix what I have done'?

forgive me sir, but your logic is mighty twisted. we strive for perfection in a way other species don't, but that's because they don't need to - we are far, far from the perfection they've already attained.

no, but we SHOULD appreciate that plenty species' extinction has been accelerated by our activities, so we're trying to right the wrong we've caused. I'm not saying we should kill ourselves, either - but I wouldn't put us on a pedestal, saying the world is better of with us, just because we're attempting to right our own wrongs.

If evolution didnt want us to? You realise evolution is caused by random genetic mutations, the most optimal for the situation surviving and being passed on to further generations. And dont bother trying to bring religion into this, all that causes is a ********* of whether or not there is a God.
Do you realise how much more extinction has been caused by humanity? From all the hunting, for consumption, destruction of habitats, no species has come close to the rate of extinction that humanity has caused.

Whilst yes, humanity has achieved many amazing feats, it has been, so far, at the expense of nature.

It's not exactly random but it is quite a coincidence that such intelligent creatures have come to be and have thrived long enough to become what we are now. Also yeah humans have totally made animals more extinct than nature and other animals have. The permean extinction 200 million someodd years ago, yeah we totally caused that. The dino extinction 65 million years ago, yeah man that was totally us. The ice ages, hot damn we totally ****** the world up with that one. Species go extinct ALL THE ******* TIME, whether it be from humans, other animals, or NATURAL caused, most humans are at least trying to prevent those extinctions while all animals just accept it as part of life.

First of all, yes evolution is caused by completely random genetic mutations, there is nothing about them that is not random, an organism cannot will itself into a change. Do I actually need to go through evolution with you?

And well done on ignoring the fact that I said extinction caused by species. Im not even going to bother with responding to what you said, as all you are doing is ignoring what I actually say, and making it fit to something you think is correct.

What im trying to tell you is that human causes for extinction do not outweigh the natural cause and never will therefore whatever we do on this Earth cannot in any way harm it more than what nature has. secondly it might seem random but they aren't, mutations occur because of adaption to a habitat, not all of a sudden being born with a long neck or with claws you retard. I'm not ignoring anything you said I'm just telling you that you're retarded for thinking 1 species can do more harm to a certain planet than the entirety of nature can.

I never said they are all of a sudden born with a long neck, have you ever studied biology? The genetic changes that occur are random, those are the mutation, those that have that new trait, if it is beneficial will survive and pass on, this will continue and over a long period of time a species will gradually gain a longer neck. Holy **** your are a stress, you have no idea what you are talking about at all.

No, you actually dont know what you are talking about, I actually study biology at university, I know what ******* evolution is. You are a stress because you are wrong, go have a quick google of what evolution is. It will tell you that the mutations occur randomly, but evolution itself, the natural selection process, is not random. As I have been saying this whole time.

Congratulations you study something completely different, that is why, on this I am correct, I actually know what I am talking about. With something that is history, Im sure you would beat me, as my knowledge in that are is limited. Stop trying to say you are correct, its amazing that you are still trying to do so.

Well check again.
Anyways, introduce any superior creature into an environment it wasn't in before. It will dominate life in it's new territory, outhunting predators and over-eating prey. This happens with any creature in the world. Now multiply it to encompass the globe, and you've got humans doing what every other dominant species does; strangling out the rest. It's not untrue that humans are the only one's who try to do anything to prevent themselves from strangling too many.

And yes, obviously introducing a new species to a habitat will generally dominate in it, as the rest of the species has not evolved to have a defense against them, especially with a species such as humanity. But the fact is, humans dont use the resources, the resource in this case being animals, in a sustainable manner, they hunt for fun, they over fish, etc.

Yet after all that we're killing, enslaving and torturing our fellow creatures who also share this world and we're headed towards self destruction. The other species are in harmony with nature, we aren't. And despite achieving all that you've mention, we still let our brothers die of hunger. Technologically we may be on top, but morally we're bankrupt.

We can help it, if we were the reduce the amount of food consumed by people, especially considering the amount of waste there is, we could easily, at current world populations feed everyone. But its not economic, for multiple reasons, as pointed out by selfdenyingbeggar below

Its about making your footprint smaller, if everyone were to have a two foot wide compost it would help... You seem to forget the fact that people need to do things on an individual level as well as trying to influence other to do so.

Not everyone is going to. Most people won't. They shouldn't have to and there is no need to beside speculation by some a compound piles effect on the environment has never been confirmed. They don't even know if cars cause global warming.

Your last sentence just proved how much of a retard you are, and how do you not get the concept of each person reducing their individual ecological footprint. If everyone does even a little, not everyone of course will at first, but its a gradual thing, the more people that do it, the more pressure others will feel to do so as well. Eventually leading to a majority doing so.

The man who brought the polar ice caps melting to the public got in trouble for false journalism. I am actually of a higher intelligence than you. You also just indirectly made a pretty good example of sheeple.

You have no basis for your assumption that you are smarter then me.
What about them being sheeple? Is it not beneficial for the world if people are convince to live more sustainably? Even if you believe in global warming or not?
There have been more examples since that article, I assume you are talking about the one regarding the polar bears and the ice caps. The whole in the ozone layer, caused by humanity, is having a big impact on the polar caps. It is proven that the world is indeed warming, most scientists agree that its being sped up by humanity, others do not. Either way, the ice caps are still melting, which can be seen by the fact that they are infact getting smaller.

Well, "...Smarter then me." made no sense. And the same can be said for you. You called me retarded with no basis. So why shouldn't I resort to pointing out that my intelligence is far higher than yours? We have differing opinions, it does not make either of us any dumber. If anything, we are both intellectuals for having carried on an argument with valid points for so long.

People need to be poor to be industrious. That right there is why most powerful people won't do anything to stop it. As for those who are dying of hunger, measure could be taken, but taking Africa as an example, why would you want healthy, educated people living there if you can just suck up their resources?. There's a lot more other reasons, but I've given you a few so you can think a little.

I don't think we're a cancer on this planet, and I think we have a lot of potential, more than we even have begun to explore. But I think the first part to really use that potential is to become conscious of how we're throwing it away to waste.

No we don't, you're kind of usinga childish viewpoint. It's like saying, "I want to stay on mi diet but I'm gonna eat this ice cream" you may want to be on a diet an become fit, but you want the ice cream more, that's why you eat it. So, as a species we would like for our animal/plant friends to be safe and ofr our human companions to be provided but we care A whole lot more about our own selves, that's why we won't stop destroying things until we absolutely realize that we're all gonna suffer the consequences, and it seems that point will be reached when situation is FUBAR. Or, the majority would like that kind of abuse to stop, but the majority aren't running things, even as most of them are led to believe so, that could be another reason.

>Every species pollutes, but only one species tries to stop it.
I didnt know all animals could ride a car and burn fossil fuel
>Every species gets sick, but only one can figure out why and stop it.
By that logic all animals would be dead of disease.
>We can't run very fast, yet we are the fastest living things on the planet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayfly
>We're not very strong, yet we can move mountains.
Its more or less true, we could move mountain, but it would pointless.
>We have no wings, yet we've flown higher than any animal can imagine.
True
>Our voices aren't very loud, yet we can talk to our brothers on the other side of the planet, even further than that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homing_pigeon
>I have seen more than the keenest of hawks, gone faster than the quickest of all cheetahs, moved more than the strongest ox, and I'm only a sixteen-year-old human.
lol'd
>No species is perfect, but we are the only ones who are trying, and you misanthropic ************* think we are a disease on the face of planet earth, as if we are not mother nature's offspring, but an awkward orphan that was not adopted, but who simply forced it's way into the family. The house to man is the web to the spider.
I dont see the point of this sentence... So basically, were not the plague thats slowly destroying earth?

>we are the fastest living things on the planet
no were not
>Homing pingeon can't fly to space to communicate.
they dont need to
>Also we try to figure out why we're sick so we can fix it. Animals don't really do that. Of course we have the immune system, but that's our natural resistance towards things.
cool story, wtf does that have to do with destroying the planet. its not like its a factor or anything. Hey look we can cure your soar throat, now we dont have to worry about using all our natural ressources at an alarming speed.

its not because were smarter that automaticaly were not doing anything wrong.

right now, you guys are in denial. i dont want to know that the human race is amazing yet completely doomed by itself.

also, its really hard to disagree to a fact, human have flown higher than any other animal. Somehow you guys refuse to see how ****** it is.

anyways, have a good blissfull life, i hope you enjoy your daily dose of Fox News

Yes, yes we are. Haven't seen any other animal drive a vehicle at over 1200 km/h.

Felix Baumgartner had a sped of 1357.64 km/h.

They don't need to, that's not the point. Thanks for agreeing.

He didn't deny the fact that we're "destroying" the planet. He said we're the only ones to try to fix it. Volcanos and cows and a whole damn lot of other animals in this world are ruining it for others. We're not ruining the planet. The planet is fine. We're ruining ourselves. The world has been through a whole lot of ****.

Hey, look. Soar throat isn't the only thing we can cure.

No one is in denial, you're just stuck up and retarded. "I don't want to know that the human race is amazing, yet completely doomed by itself".

>What you're living in was once in the ground, it was all apart of the earth once, and it still ******* is, the pollutants in the air were once in the soil, and when the day comes that the last bit of green vanishes from this rock, it will still be far more spectacular than it was before life developed on it.
Thats so wrong, i dont know where to start. Youre saying every gas that in the atmosphere slowly ******* us up was in the ground? Did i understood that correctly? Cause thats ******* retarded. Chemical made by man are destroying the atmosphere, while it technically was in the soil, it wasnt naturaly in that state. Man manipulated it and it became dangerous.
>There is an infinity of beautiful secrets hidden throughout the universe, from the smallest of particles, to the most massive celestial structures that your mind can barely imagine, these natural marvels would never be appreciated without us.
If it aint us, its going to be someone else elsewhere. Life is bound to appear somewhere else.
>You think humans are the only ones causing extinction? They're not. But we are the only ones attempting to stop it. The earth is better off with us.
Say that to all these species that got decimated because people was hunting it for teh lulz. Though its true some species is bound to get exterminated, human simply accelerate the proccess by killing for fun.

That point of view is denial pure and simple. Thats somewhat sad. its not like it was possible to debate about that, its just a fact, humans are destroying the earth slowly. Look at earth without humans, more nature, more animal. Is that such a bad thing? More or less, as long as human suvives, everythign will be ok.

What makes you think im not just cynical? I have actualy a loving family with a good relatinoship with our car too. I just love to see how the world is completely void of a purpose. The only goal that anyone should aim for is happiness, happiness itself being mainingless since the impact of a happy human being is, well, nothing really. I like the cold reality that the earth is slowly (keyword slowly here) exhausting all its ressources because we want to ride cars and build houses. Whats wrong with that? Nothing imo. though destroying our eco system so it cant regenerate once were gone, not cool.

anyways, ill leave you and your ignorance of the definition of cynical!

If Yellowstone erupted, scientists believe that it would cause more air pollution than everything we've ever done combined.

So no matter what we can do, nature will always 1 up us. And nature will always be able to adapt to pollution, there's fish that live with virtually no light and very little to eat, and the manage just fine.

Just because you can make yourself sound fancy and inspiring does not mean your words hold truth.

In my culture it was the human's duty to protect the earth. We are failing, and yet you claim we are not the only ones who are destroying the earth. Who else is? Are beavers? Are Monkeys? Hell is the weather?

If there was a parasite that lived by sucking the life out of another entity, and it decided to slow his intake keeping the host alive longer, but still killing it. Would you say that the host is better off with the parasite?

I believe humans exist outside nature because of everything you've just said. We were born without wings to fly, legs to run, claws to climb, ears to hear, or eyes to see. Yet somehow we have trampled over all other living beings and placed ourselves above them.

Pollutants came from the earth, but they would have never existed if we did not create them.

"and when the day comes that the last bit of green vanishes from this rock, it will still be far more spectacular than it was before life developed on it. "
This is the quote I take most issue in. You mean to say that the world after we have erased any trace of what it was, will be more beautiful than the lush, colorful world we destroyed. Our modern world, the very one the very one that lets me sit here and speak to you with, is so plagued with sickening problems of human exploitation, and a false belief that we will exist forever.

I'm not saying the world is better off without us, because that is a moot point. We exist, now what the **** will we do about it. I'm saying that we need to live in a balance with the world. Right now the scales have become so skewed that when our world ceases to provided us with the resources to continue our fragile, blissfully ignorant way of life we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

You don't have to be one side or the other. Everything he said still syncs with your desires for humankind. I'm sure that the idealist within him wishes humans would take care of nature as well, to be the responsible ones.

You know nothing about me yet you still have the audacity to make such a statement.

I wonder why? Is it just because I tore down someone you idolized for a few seconds. He sounded so intelligent, and it seemed to make sense that you just clinged to it without actually understanding **** about it.

You're pathetic, I would recommend a rope and stool, but that's too dignified for you.

And truthfully I hope you can disregard all that has been said here and go on to live a happy and prosperous life.

If however these words eat you up inside and reduce you to the point where you have no will to live, I would recommend spending your life developing a zombie virus, releasing it to spark a zombie apocalypse. Finding a suitable sized horde and jump into it.

First, let's go with what I do know. You absolutely adore Ryderjamesbubble so much so that you go to prowl the replies searching for people who disagree, so that you can make pathetic, unthought-out comments that are completely irrelevant to what's being discussed. You seem to be unable to cope with the fact that people will inevitbaly disagree with this man. This leads me to believe that my previous statement about your reverance of this man to be correct. However I do not know this. This is only my own inference. And I am aware of this.

Now my comments about the suggested method of self abortion were satirizing your own. Nothing else. In fact I actually temper this by telling you the truth mid way. (in hindsight that switch method was probably too much for your pathetic mind to comprehend, so my apologies.)

And worst of all, I'm taking the time to reply to someone who doesn't even put the effort into coming up with his own comment. I'm actually wondering if you're capable of stringing together a line of complex thoughts.

You obviously cannot fathom that someone would not agree with you. I look for arguments because I agree with what he says, and people post their opinions. I also post mine. I am under the impression you are incapable of distinguishing intelligence from what you seem to believe is a complex mind made up of thoughts that would be sought after by the masses, the envy of those considered intellectuals. Actually, it's just YOUR brain. It is capable of telling your fingers to type, but it doesn't know much more than that. I am, in all honestly, and I can guarantee this, 10x more intelligent than you ever will be. You could not fathom what goes on in my mind. You are nothing to me. You are just another obstacle. You are another chess piece placed in front of me by fate to test my intelligence. I just made my move. I just won. You have been defeated. I did not give you an in depth argument because you did not even present a challenge to me. Why would I waste my time giving attention to your poorly thought out, invalid arguments? That makes me smarter, since I choose not to waste my time writing to those I find stupid. I have time now, but I may not later. So I hope this clears it up for you.

And you think all fallout fans agree with your thoughts on things completely unrelated to fallout? Unlikely. You are not smart. I am smart. You think you are smart. That's the difference between you and me, ********.

I love fallout. It's been proven? really now? And I know there's more to learn, I try not to learn from those that do not get a point across or make sense. Also, excuse me if you do not personally subscribe to my honesty towards those who attempt to convey that they are more intelligent than me, but I am an INTJ. INTJ, the mastermind, one percent of the general population, *****.

You know, it's been proven that those who believe themselves to be smart, are in fact the stupidest humanity has to offer. You are a shining example of this idiocy. Preaching that you're smart, (You're ******* not) because you don't make an intelligent argument.

You are not smart.

It takes a smart man to realize there is always more to learn. You practically claim omniscience, which id ******* pathetic cause you do not even know how to form a proper sentence. (A "smart" man would, and could apply that into basic typing. But you're not smart, so you can't.)

You haven't posted a single opinion, you have just insulted people like a 3rd grade child.

"You could not fathom what goes on in my mind. You are nothing to me. You are just another obstacle. You are another chess piece placed in front of me by fate to test my intelligence. I just made my move. I just won. You have been defeated."

I almost died of laughter when you said this. I mean, honestly, do you seriously believe this ****. I mean, I know people are capable of convincing themselves of certain things, but come on. There is no way you can't see how stupid you actually are. I half expected you to start telling me about how you were in the Navy Seals and ****, and top of sniper school, blah blah blah guerilla warfare, hunting me down.

If you were smart you would know that intelligence cannot be quantitative, it is impossible to be "10x smarter" than someone, or even twice as smart.

There is something about you I cannot fathom though. How someone as stupid as you exists.

Alas I've decided to not waste any more time arguing with some *******.

Now I'm going to go do something productive. Which is more than you are likely to do your entire life.

In honesty you kinda messed up in tearing down a person that has said a positive and well thought out and explained philosophical excerpt. You were doing good with supporting your opinion but you kinda fell out when you said after all the anti human stuff, then you say all anti human stuff is a bit in a moot point. Also you make us out to be a large like minded group that's doesn't care about nature. Compared to past global emissions from factories and cars, we have greatly improved. There is also no entire need for balance completely, for that's the thing about human, and mother nature's nature, we adapt to survive. Even if humans mess up the entire world, as long as there is a single microbe, mother nature can begin again.

TL;DR You kind of mooted your own speech, Mother Nature is most likely to compleatly screw us over before we do to her, and cheer up you too negative.

I do understand that people are different, and there are people who are aware of these problems and are trying to find a solution. I just think it isn't enough.

And I'm certainly not anti-human. I've said it before, we need to find a balance. Because the way we are headed, the earth is due to run out of the resources our modern society needs. Oil, and Gas. Wood, clean air, water. These things are all in serious danger, despite the claims that there are policies, or measures put in place to protect them. (Though they help, they are only decelerating the process.)

We do need to find a balance. One where our biosphere can co-exist in harmony with the still globalizing world.

But considering the major advancements in eco-friendly tech, and the more used renewable resources we should be golden. Oil and Natural gas can run out but not for a long while, and don't forget, as long as there is swamp environments, these resources can be made over time. forests can be replanted, Air can be cleaned over time via lower production from human stand points, and said trees, and technically water never runs out because of the water cycle, you just need cleaner areas which it dumps into which even then we purify it. Also, sorry it's just that what you said made you out as Anti human, which is what probably made people more negative/aggressive toward you (saying insults doesn't help prove your point either).

Its a common misconception that when an ecosystem is devastated it will repair itself. If we deplete the forests, poison the water, and use up the oil.

We will never see these resources again in our lifetime.

It is true that trees grow back, but they also rely on each other. Their roots tether the soil and when clearcutting, occurs it is a rare thing for even a single tree to grow back.

And There are very few water sources that are not polluted, and that number is looking to shrink further with the Canadian Bill C-45 (Which reduces the protected lakes and rivers from 2.5 million to 82) Truth be told I'm not an expert on water, and as much as I know the resource itself cannot be wholly consumed, I do know that drinking water is a consumable resource. (Which extends to impact animals who rely on it.)

If Oil and gas run out, they're gone, that's it, no more. We won't be around for the millions of years needed to see new oil. (Alternative energy is one of those things we need to look into, again, finding a balance.)

Air is one of those things we heavily impact that cannot repair itself unless we let it. Our emissions only continue to increase, despite the claims anyone makes to the contrary.

I think the only real point I want to strike is that we need to find a medium where we aren't burning through the world's resources. We need to first realize and accept that humanity is a parasite. So that we can make an effort to change it. Certainly there are some who have already done and are doing this, but not everyone.

You know nothing of me, yet you are so desperately trying to say something that will resonate inside me. You want me to go to school tomorrow and be torn apart by some words some internet ******** said. It's ******* pathetic.

I am living a healthy happy life. I have friends who's company I enjoy and who enjoy my company. I am receiving my diploma with over 120 credits. I've been accepted into my desired University.

Oh but of course that's just, "stuff I tell myself isn't it." To convince myself over some mental problem I undoubtedly have. Is that right? Cause obviously you know so much more about me than me.

In fact I should just make you the consultant about all issues related to, I'm sorry, what was my name? When was I born? Who are my mother and father?

You're trying too hard, and it's painfully apparent. It's rather entertaining though, especially knowing how easy it is to continue. Make a simple response and bask in the rampant idiocy.

In fact watch this, I can make bold claims with no grounds too.

You've been alive for 16+ years, safe bet. You've been hated by everyone you've ever met for your insatiable need to make others feel worse about themselves to compensate for your crippling insecurity.

Also, I wouldn't consider hating humanity living a healthy life. I can't ****** stand people like you.

Instead of bitching about us, why not grow the **** up, and step in line.

According to you, you seem to have a really good life, which is all thanks to HUMANITY *******. You have no reason to hate us, as you ARE one of us. What you just described is the life of your average higher class white boy.

Again you know nothing of me. So, if its okay with you, sift through your mind and figure out every assumption you've made. There are some techniques I can dig up from my grade 7 notes about analyzing sources if you want them. Help you pull apart facts from assumptions.

Also, everything is made of star stuff, humans are natural, therefore cities are natural, synthetically created chemicals are natural, they are the product of a species which was naturally created, "unnatural" should only be used to describe stuff not from this world or science fiction dimension-traversing beings.

The point is, human beings are a simply way for the cosmos to know itself. The universe seems dead from an outside observer, but within a human mind, lots more is possible. Creativity, art, imagination, wonder, scientific observation, exploration, discovery, and possibly most important to us humans, feelings, emotions and experience. The universe could not be aware if it weren't for the intelligent life that it created - us. While we don't want to intentionally cause suffering to other species, we are the most important species on the planet, and don't ever forget that.

I'm so damn glad we're all being positive in this thread - nothing frightens me more than mass panic & despair.
I want to become a Scientist, perhaps in the ecological fields, like Geosciences, to help the planet, and to help us, humans, animals, plants, machines live better. In harmony.

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Come back to me after an animal other than humans pollute the earth to the point of opening the ******* ozone layer. There's something called ******* deforestation. Because of humans many animals have gone instinct. Humans are more likely to destroy this earth with things they build than an asteroid is likely to kill them.
******* humans.

Because humans brought them to places (mainly isolated islands) where they wouldnt have ended up otherwise, and if there were eg. birds that couldn't fly (like the Dodo) the cats would simply hunt them to extinction.

1. Elephants: But when fences, farmland and human encroachment shrink the range
2. Locusts: (More of an inference based on increased fluctuating weather patterns caused by global warming.) caused by rain followed by drought, pushing greater numbers of the insects into a smaller area.
3. Crown of Thorns Fish: partly blamed on these sea stars which have experienced a population explosion over the last decade or so. The outbreaks are likely due to pollution from agricultural runoff,
4. Cattle: Driven by the growing food demands of an expanding human population
5. Common Carp: No argument, however their role is contributory towards a wetlands ecosystem.
6. Goats: where human populations have attempted to establish a settlement
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7. Cane Toads: they were purposely introduced to foreign habitats!!
8. Bark Beetle: No argument, but they're role in forest destruction only compliments ours, and doesn't really justify standing on its own when compared.
9. Rats: when they are introduced to non-native areas.

10. Humans... Well then, I'm not quite sure if this was against or towards my point.

But almost all of these animals devastating effect only comes in when humans start ******* with ****.

The problem isn't that humans are bad, it's that you expect the change to happen over night.

We didn't move mountains as soon as we realized we were smart. Yet we are capable of a lot, therefore, it's stupid to think we can't change. No one is proud of the bad, which is evidence that our nature is the opposite of the bad, and it is reason to believe that in the future you could expect to see an earth that is better off, in such a high state that could not be accomplished without our presence.

I like you. Did you write that yourself?
Extinction happens anyway because of natural selection. We may have sped it up, but the world has been been thru worse than us. Its a strong planet, and even if the ecosystems seems delicate, it can take it. The planet is fine, we may be ******. And everything is natural. Everything came from the nature. Even radioative uranium. Plastic too, because we made it from the earth. We'll follow the rules of adaptation, and either survive and take what that requires, or break. Not even us are free from that rule. Hakuna Matata. As long as we dont nuclear bomb everything; don't worry

Actually, the reason you have so many likes is because you want to believe you are part of something that helps the world just like everyone who gave you a like. In reality you do nothing to remotely counter your consumption. Sure humans have a lot of potential but to put it into perspective, trillions of trees are going to be cut down by humans and only a few hundred million will ever be planted. Religion has an extraordinary amount of followers compared to enviroment organizations. Just goes to show really.

But, but the ecosystem on earth was balanced and run perfect before humans overpopulated earth. The fact we are trying to prevent it doesn't seem to go fast enough because oil production, population and pollution are still rising. What's the point with all the magnificent stuff we do and make if we can't take care of our home?

I seriously don't understand why you guys who support people who want to have a healthy environment get thumbed down. You only have another opinion than other people, and it's so stupid of others to thumb you down just because you are thinking something different than them ><

You can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs. There's no such thing as clean, just clean enough. If you want to go live in the woods until you discover footprint-less growth, go ahead.
Pro Tip: It's impossible all the way down to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.