Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than practically any other text in history. The Koran/Quran, obviously, comes in a close second – although it’s right up there neck and neck as concerns body count, some 250 million allegedly murdered in the name of Christianity (if you count both World Wars as “Christian” aggressions), while some 270 million are claimed to have been killed in the name of Islam. As concerns looking at the Bible as some sort of “moral guide” from the very finger of God, it’s time to toss the whole shebang into the circular file, the trash heap, the dustbin of history.

The Bible is little more than one culture’s propaganda. It is not the “Word of God” – that’s the propaganda. The Bible is a collection of mummified myths, fabulous fairytales and hideous horror stories, with a bit of history mixed in to give it legitimacy. Even this biblical “history” is so slanted that, on the few instances where it has been confirmed by external sources, these sources take the opposite perspective of the Israelite claims.

To illustrate the true value of the Bible, many years ago I was teasing an Israeli acquaintance, Uri, about the lack of culture in ancient Israel.

The fact is that other than serving as a valuable cultural artifact on its face, the Bible is virtually useless in today’s modern society as concerns numerous subjects, including technology, science, medicine and, yes, philosophy and spirituality. Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible. Trying to live by such an outdated and specious text is only making humanity deranged.

As the great freethinker Robert Ingersoll said:

“If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane.”

The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously. We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity. We can produce new “scriptures” that are not culturally bigoted, displaying their writers as “chosen people” above all others, or sexist, ranting on and on about a male god and his son, while women are continually denigrated purely because of their gender.

As an example of how useless such “moral” writings can be, Bangladeshi natives thought so little of their “holy scriptures” that when a cow ate the banana leaves they were written on, nobody paid much attention.

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250 million murdered in the name of the Bible, women denigrated and oppressed because of the Bible, entire cultures wiped out because of the Bible – these are not “opinions.”

The only reason others hold any kind of cherished beliefs based on or because of the Bible is because they have been [i]conditioned [/i]to believe it is “God’s Word.” That’s why they hold it up so high – conditioning, not because it really [i]is [/i]God’s Word.

If you hadn’t been conditioned to believe it, you wouldn’t hold those beliefs, and you wouldn’t esteem the Bible in this manner. It’s that simple.

If you don’t like these [i]facts[/i], don’t read them!

And, by the way, as is obvious from this bit – “a valuable cultural artifact on its face” – I do have respect for the Bible as a [i]cultural artifact[/i]. That’s all.

“if we are to ‘..use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity..’ then a big part of that is respecting the opinions, beliefs, and yes, writings, of our fellow creatures.”

I see, so I guess we should respect [i]Mein Kampf[/i] because Hitler was one of our “fellow creatures?” How about the writings of Stalin? Charles Manson?

The Bible has little respect for me, as a freethinking woman, and I return the same.

Acharya, it doesn’t seem to matter what religion to which an individual belongs as ‘god’ is the same in the end; that is, he’s been butchering, murdering and killing men, women and children for millenia. I know there is ‘good’ but I can’t seem to figure out why God does this.

The bible is truth and the stupid atheists that write crap like this are the reason for all the world’s problems.You Luciferian atheist illuminati scumbags will not win this one.It’s in the book.Read it and repent you Godless souls.

However, please don’t forget the millions murdered in the name of freedom and democracy! Intolerance and mass murder suck under any moniker. According to your logic we should do away with democratic governments… hey, not a bad idea! They are just farces which prevent democratic principles from eventuating, just as religion prevents spirituality’s unbounded growth…

Jesus never would have been a Christian, but then Buddha never would have been a Buddhist 😆

WrongThe Bible has nothing to do with the horrors perpetrated by humans. If people actually understood and obeyed the Bible there would be absolute peace on earth. Unfortunately 99.9% have no comprehension of what the Bible actually teaches. Without the unification of beliefs, there will always be bloodshed.

RenegeIf you actually bothered reading the bible, you would know that those were guidelines for the Israelite nation to ensure that rebellion wasn’t common for God’s holy people. Secondly, as of the coming of Christ, things have changed.

I will honestly tell you… in your pursuit of “throwing bibles” into trashes… you maybe throwing away the only thing holding believers back from breaking necks. Because i know if survival of the fittest was the case… i would definitely be breaking necks and taking checks.

So, you’re saying that many Christians are basically savages and that without the harsh and cruel Yahweh keeping them in check, they would be out murdering people?

Wow! Since these savage Christians have already slaughtered tens of millions of people in the name of God, Jesus and the Bible, I can’t even fathom how many more they would have killed without these motivating factors.

But wait – the reality is as I have stated in the original article: These savage Christians likely would have killed far FEWER people without these motivations.

You just got all the answer’s don’t you wise guy… you could work for the media… you seem to be good at twisting things.

I forget, where do you get your morals from? enlighten me, please.Since us savages seem to be killers, i wonder where you lovely people get your morals from? Maybe that way, i too can no longer be a savage.

Wow. If the only thing that restrains you from rape, ravage and roar is your copy of a colection of tales, then i question your sanity and inteligence. One need not claim or believe “ANY” dogma to make a concience effort to become a good and decent person.

Insanity. Your God expressly tells the Jews to stone their children for disobedience. Your heart has been clouded with fanaticism, you can’t feel correctly anymore. The fact that your God sanctioned the stoning of children should horrify you. But you want to pass it off as some learning lesson for the Israelites. Try to picture what that would look like today. Your child accidentally says “Jesus Christ!” in vain. Your other child runs up and says “Mommy! Daddy! Billy sworn at God!” So you call all your Christian friends up and take little Billy out in the back yard and start throwing rocks at him. He’s screaming the whole time in horror, but you think you are doing the good thing in God’s eyes. You are insane my friend. This is why we will always stand against your religion and Muslimism. It is a sickness that should always be addressed until it is eradicated off of the planet. I would run for my life if Freddie Krueger showed up on my neighborhood street, and you too should run from Yahweh.

NICELY PUT…I have to agree with you 100%. I don’t think anyone who has read the bible completely and with an open mind can agree with all of its teachings. There are way too many flaws and double standards. They’re all nice/not so nice stories…but that’s all they are. Stories.

BibleThe Bible does NOT say to stone children to death…..if everyone lived by Jesus`s words, there would be peace on earth..even Ghandi said this…..so maybe do a little New Testament reading before you comment….the old and new, NEW testament are different.Jesus apparently nailed the old laws to the cross/pole or whatever with him. So the Bible says. Yes indeed the Old Testament, talks of a chosen people…but the fact that Jesus came through that particular bloodline, that is why they were chosen and the role the Jews were chosen for. However, on dis-obedience to G-d they lost that righteous place. Not my words the Bibles, whether you choose to believe or not, Jesus taught Love, and Kindness.

Reality CheckNo, you’re wrong. Jesus was a good guy and a thoughtful teacher at best, but no son of man. There were “gods” before him that were born of a virgin, died for mankind and rose three days later. This happened several times before Jesus ever walked this planet. You need to wake up if you believe the bible is the truth. There is no god, never has been. God is a construct of the powerful to keep your empty headed dumb ass under control. Now go be good boy and buy something for your masters.

People wrote it. People change, things change, truth changes. Time is defined by our own serial mortality.

If people are still going around believing non sense like using the Bible as a literary weapon of hatred and judgement, or the Koran as legitimizing murder, they are stuck in the Middle Ages. Same goes for any text, and culture, any belief.

Darkness transcends all boundaries and has many very deceptive faces, some of them very beautiful and even holy.

As the author states so succinctly, if you need a book to tell you how to live and treat people, then you will probably believe all the junk in these text manufactured by regular human beings, the wizard of oz, sitting in a non-descript building who labels himself-ordained spiritual authority.

It is a mistake to ignore the spirit force that permeates our everyday, but this thing mostly ignores humanity’s daily foibles as hairless primates with recently upgraded CPU, bus, memory, AI, and ethernet capabilities. If you were “God,” you would beta test this creature with all sorts of dilemmas and suffering as we have on Earth to see who is spiritually fit.

RE: Reality Check[b][i]> “No, you’re wrong. Jesus was a good guy and a thoughtful teacher at best…”[/i][/b]

Actually, there’s no evidence that a person named Jesus Christ ever existed. It’s an allegorical myth.

[b][i]> “There were “gods” before him that were born of a virgin, died for mankind and rose three days later. This happened several times before Jesus ever walked this planet.”[/i][/b]

That is quite true, as research proves. As such, `Jesus’ was just the latest in a series of dying and resurrecting God-men, none of which actually existed.

[b][i]> “You need to wake up if you believe the bible is the truth.”[/i][/b]

Or he needs to go to seminary school. I was surprised to learn that they know and teach that it’s a myth in seminary school.

“[Regarding the] Christian Myth, they know it is myth. In private discussions with theologians, they shocked me by admitting they know it is all a myth. One Jesuit told me, `Those stories are for the unthinking lay public.’ This changes the problem from one of ignorance to one of lies and deceit.”—Don Richards

“The mass of people who are Bible-taught never get free from the erroneous impressions stamped on their minds in their infancy, so that their manhood or womanhood can have no intellectual fulfillment, and millions of them only attain mentally to a sort of second childhood”—Gerald Massey

“There was a time when Christianity ruled the world. It is known as the Dark Ages.”—Russell W. Behne I

“Assure a man that he has a soul and then frighten him with old wives’ tales as to what is to become of it afterwards, and you have a hooked ﬁsh, a mental slave!”—Theodore Dreiser

[b][i]>”There is no god, never has been. God is a construct of the powerful to keep your empty headed dumb ass under control.”[/i][/b]

Actually, that may not necessarily be entirely true – I suppose that it all depends on how you define `God':

Some people think of God as an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne some where up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow.

Others—for example, Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe.

I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws.

Therefore, if you insist on defining God in revealed-religionist’s terms, then I say that HE, (the God of the Bible) doesn’t exist. But if you subscribe to the Spinozan concept of God, then IT (the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe) most certainly does exist.

“The Bible has nothing to do with the horrors perpetrated by humans.” Demonstrably false–and no, I’m not going to do the work for you as it is something any intelligent teen could show. Besides, even the Babble gives the lie to your statement: it has been used to do just what you say, even during its formation.“If people actually understood and obeyed the Bible there would be absolute peace on earth.” Hmmm. See my post below. Also, understanding and obedience could be mutually exclusive, most especially if one is a moral human being. “Absolute peace”? Exactly, the peace of the grave.“Unfortunately 99.9% have no comprehension of what the Bible actually teaches.” Quoting statistics without citing sources is bad form. Setting that aside, how would you feel if I said, “Yes, and I am one of the 0.1%, and I have to tell you that you are utterly wrong”? You’re arrogance astounds!“Without the unification of beliefs, there will always be bloodshed.” Setting aside the fact that this is a bald assertion, I recommend reading the Orange Catholic Bible.

The bible has everything to do with the horrors that have plaugued man. in the “book” we learn slavery is fine . Even rape is ok as long as you keep the woman. Sell your daughter its cool , Murder , genocide all by order of the bible god. It is you who needs to read the unholy book called the bible

inconsistenciesAs a guide to living morally,the book is repugnant,just contrast the god of moses saying thou shalt not kill to the subsequent god who tells joshua to kill men,women and children,especially the disrespect shown to children makes me find this book repugnant no matter what the socalled message is supposed to be

Try Reasoning…RichIf 99.9% of humans do not comprehend what the bible teaches, whose fault is that? Do you agree that God made humans, and he also instructed the bible to be written? If so didn’t he know 99.9% of humans would not comprehend his instructions? Is the God of your bible playing games with his creation: Games only he can win? Madness comes wearing many different garments. Is it fair to say Rich, that you are among the 1% of those who comprehend the teachings of the bible? Have you ever noticed that [b]He[/b] is within [b]SHE[/b] and not the other way around? If you have any human decency you’ll let it be know that you are sorry for disputing undeniable facts.

Your God told parents to stone their children outside the tents of the camp. He also told them to slaughter whole tribes and rip the unborn babies out of their wombs. And this is the same God yesturday, today, and forever. The same God that Jesus claims to represent and even says “Before Abraham was I AM.” And you think that if we followed this God we would have peace on earth. I see nothing but genocide, murder, death threats, threats of hell, and brutal dictates behind your God, which would never bring peace to any nation.

people have been forced throughout history to take part at endless number of wars so that some individuals are able to gather more wealth and power for themselves,religion has only been used by the power elite as a propaganda tool,people have been dying in the shadow of Cross and other symbols,people are dying still to export so called Democracy so the rest of the World can be enlightened by the new Freedom fighters

UpshotReligion has been used for thousands of years now to control populations before technology. Now that there is technology, religion is no longer needed (satellites, ELF towers, Subliminal via TV Web music, etc). This is why it is under attack by the big guns these days. There is no one proper religion, they are all wrong. They control people using negative reinforcement (Do this & this & this…Don’t do That & that & that or you will go to hell). It is all quite laughable but if you think of the billions fooled it is quite pathetic.

To add further, the Bible hasn`t caused anything…people do the bad, the Bible is supposedly a book of history, and the word of God. It`s like saying a dictionary has done harm, because it contains words like, hate, war, racism. People professing Christianity, but NOT pro-actively living it have done the harm..to be a true Christian is to copy Jesus, how many people who call themselves Christians do that. Rather they do anything `but`…..

If the Bible has no effect on people’s behavior, then it is useless in that regard and can be thrown in the trash.

Its “history” is also fairly worthless so, once again, toss it into the trash.

The Bible is, however, an interesting cultural artifact that should be studied as just that and no more. It is undoubtedly not the “Word of God” and should not be followed, as you yourself have basically just admitted, since you claim it is not capable for affecting anyone’s behavior.

Mr. Robert Ingersoll-Free ThinkerMr Robert Ingersoll and the rest of the world’s free thinkers who may associate and believe and support him, my advise is that they should keep such thoughts and beliefs strictly to themselves.

I rest in the firmest assurance, that you won’t have many followers or have any group that you may regard as a congregation. I shall pray to God Almighty and may He have mercy on your soul. I suppose you don’t believe that you have a soul, or do you?

You see Mr Robert Ingersoll, your God and my God gave us ‘free choice and free will’ it is yours to choose. But don’t make any attempt to convert others to your beliefs and thinking. God has give us a path to Salvation or life in hell. That too, is yours to make and I do, of course, hope that it will be the right choice.

killed in the name of Christianity HMMMActually most of the modern killings are for benefit of a few financiers, I won’t mention their racial connection but I don’t think most Christians approve of what is going on (no evangelicals ARE NOT Christian!) they have more in common with RABID FOAMING AT THE MOUTH JUDAISM! But yes the Catholics (ALSO I FEEL, NOT! Christian. “JEWES” Not jewish (well some in the lodges are) actually I mean come on they wear “YOMIKAS? (I’m not jewish so, ME NO SPELL THIS) And sh*t! The poop sorry pope, even has his own “yod” sorry rod, and “shaft” I mean staff, LOL!

Again just my own opinions but more than likely true, with exception to the fact that the past 200 no actually 800 years of military murder was for, financiers! And who rote the BIBLE, THE “SANHEDRON?” THATS WHO alias the council or council of “mycia?”! Again I’m not Jewish so I can’t spell their crap language, also not too good with Latin but the n who is(Layman that is). But I ca read and some what spell though my punctuation is awful.

re mon – AtheistHey Mon Atheist, That’s true what you say about Stalin, Mao, Polpot etc., but the fact is they were simply going through the motions of Marx; another Israelitish prophet. Marx was, after said and done, just rebelling against the Old Testament of his rabbi father, by promoting merely a non-Jesus version of the New Testament. It’s all Jewish in the final analysis; and it would not surprise me if – as many say – the works of Marx and Engels were the contrivances of the same Israelitish money elite and their globalist domination agenda. 👿

Hitler was a christianIf your going to start throwing around names of non christians. How about hitler he was very much a christian. Should I start with blood thirsty christians of the 1st century ?? Or should we skip 2000 years and just speak of modern day murderers. Reveled religions are without a doubt three of the most cruel jokes ever perpetrated upon mankind. And for people to defend its exsistence is absolutly immoral. In christianity you have child mutalation, justify that !! Lets stop the stupidity !!!!

Actually Hitler was a Catholic. He mentions God in nearly everyone of his speeches in Mein Kaump. And stalin, mao, polpot certainly didn’t do what they did in the name of atheism. You need to rethink that one.

athiest, non athiest, what everActually they are and have been transhumanists as well Stalin and Lenin were freemasons” not sure but about Polpot but Mao was also” (a cult like religious belief), and homicidal eugenicists although you have to admit some logic in their thinking(over population, limited resources well without raping the earth like we do now) but they want all for themselves and nothing NO THING for the rest. Not even, education for the weak(uneducated) all it takes is some proper education and making them work for what they get, then people will stop breeding at the rate they do! Oh and as far as breeding goes it is the RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS that are over populating our world! You should take a note from the pandas and not bother!

Anyway your point!

This si not aimed at you directly but food for thought.Now I may not agree with everyone on every thing but stop attacking people for questioning your beliefs or trying convince you to do it!

“Did theist approve of the killings of hundreds of millions of people by Stalin, Mao, Polpot and others like them?”Compared to the ‘religious’, those you listed do not even rank as ‘armatures’ when it comes to mass murder. (both in total body count, and percentage of total population)

You did have enough since to not include Hitler. He was a self proclaimed Christian.

What is the problem? problem is when the bible was in its infancy most Europeans were still grunting like pigs and living with rats and bats and screwing dogs they will never understand holiness, or divine inspiration as they have no sense of humanity or nature, that is why they are so prone to child molestation and other acts of sensual depravity leave the bible alone you have no right to critisise it, you who have polluted everything in creation. be still.

yours is a point of view…one you are entitled to…as you are doubtless aware, there are millions around the world whose beliefs involve a very different point of view…which they are equally entitled too…I don’t imagine you would prefer a non tolerant society…the freedom to pursue and embrace religious beliefs is surely no less valid than the freedom not to…if we are to ‘..use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity..’ then a big part of that is respecting the opinions, beliefs, and yes, writings, of our fellow creatures…if you don’t like them, don’t read them….

I find it funny how the free-thinker know more about that bible than those who profess to know the contents of it. If they really knew the religion they wouldn’t be questioning the millions murder in the of religion. The witch trials, cracrades, burning at the stake of those who did not except this unholy myth. A a child I too was raised a christian, got angry at Matolyn O’Hara, the atheis thinker of the 60’s/70′, until I began to seek knowledge I become a born again free-thinker, free from this TALKING SNAKE FOOLISH.

Cultural relativism specifies that we “respect” every opinion, culture, belief…. when in fact, we should not. That doesn’t mean we go out and hang someone but we have to at least hold these things up to scrutiny to determine whether these opinions/cultures/beliefs are respectful in of themselves to human rights. Too long demand has been made to repect religious beliefs without question and yet never demand that these same religious beliefs be held to respect human rights and dignity, particularly women and children but not exclusively them. Should the law “respect” Jehovah Witness’ to refuse certain treatments for their children? Under Canadian law…no. You can chose whether you want treatments for yourself but it ends when your beliefs endanger the life and/or liberty of another. I do not support the “right” to a religious political party either as it trumps the separation of state and religion; we cannot nor should not be a citizenry forced to be ruled under the jurisdiction of any religious “laws”. When religion ruled the world, it was called the “Dark Ages” and we must never let it rule again. That means keeping a careful critical eye on them, not submitting to relativistic ideals.

Without FearI threw my bible out twenty years ago.See these sites for the intolerance of Christians[url]http://www.stopthereligiousright.org/demolish.htm[/url][url]http://ethnikoi.org/persecutions.html[/url]

John Lilly said that the world is “a battlefield of beliefs”, need more be said.

Buddha said,

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

Ship without a rudder? So tell me, just because a ship of drifts off course, does one toss out the rudder and compass? If the 10 commandments and golden rule were practiced and used in public as well as private there would be no wars, poverty or sadness that we see around us. Throw the Bible and toss the rudder?

You would only be “rudderless” because you’ve been conditioned to believe that you need to rely on “God’s Word” to survive.

That propaganda is false.

Nothing in the Bible cannot be found in other texts and cultures. The very notion that these guidelines can’t be found in other cultures is the exact cultural bigotry and supremacy I am talking about that emanates from the Bible.

God fearing peopleGood article. I think from time to time about this type of thing and how the majority of “God fearing” people will use “belief” to justify something they’ve done that might not be a moral standard within their culture. I also have to wonder about these “God fearing” people and their faith. For example, I personally think that most Christians don’t “really” believe in a God or higher power for the fact that they choose to disobey the Torah and NT. If the “fear” of God were really instilled in these people, they would live like their hero Paul.

keep da bookMoral relativism is like driftwood that flows down the river to the lowest point possible until it can’t move. The basic moral principles found in the bible are calculated to bring about happiness and freedom – not the endless war and pain we now see. Regardless if you believe the bible or not, the laws therin make up our constitutional republic and legal system which is undisputably the greatest experiment of freedom the world has known. Ignor the basis of those laws and the system will fall apart. Why would it be any different for indiviiduals than governments? The book has already been tossed by those who would disregard it’s laws known as the 10 commandments. The golden rule replaced by the #1 rule -me first!

Jesus was the son of a god…Yahshua was the son of Yahweh, the Heavenly Father, who was never, is not, and will never be a god, which is only a created , rebellious being (satan, lucifer, zeus etc.) Yahshua was a man, not a god or half man/half god being. A real flesh and blood MAN.There are many gods, only one Creator. His name is Yahweh (YHWH). Prove it for yourself. http://www.yahweh.com

@ Acharya S.: Great points re: the dangers of texts such as the bible. They are control mechanisms and nothing more. As for the educational system that produces these grammatically challenged individuals, are you familiar with the writings of Charlotte Isyrbyt? Worth a look:http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

Thanks For The LaughThis comical submission begins with the following statement: “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”

This is nothing more than an outright lie by any standard of historic methodology, and gives the reader an early indication of what is to follow in terms of credibility.

As a point of historic fact, there is no text that has caused more “horror and trauma” than the Communist Manifesto, and its own religion of atheist dialectical materialism.

When we peel back the layers of lies, such as presented in this author’s submission, and view human conflict from a perspective of academically accepted historic review, there is only one ideology that has declared humanity to be nothing more than savage animals, and has slaughtered them by the hundreds of millions.

That ideology is not counted as any of the monotheistic religions, but is instead known to be the savage humanist religion of atheist Marxism.

You can chatter and lie among yourselves until your eyes cross, but those are just the academically valid historic truths of whom the true champions of human slaughter are, and historic fact isn’t going to yield to any of you to serve in the advancement of you agenda.

PatheticYou truly are an idiot. You try to make yourself sound knowledgeable, even claiming recently that you daily read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew. First of all, I believe you have read parts of the Hebrew scriptures and the Greek scriptures, which is just another way of saying the “Old Testament” and the “New Testament”. You couldn’t possible possess even an elementary knowledge of the Bible to make the claims you make. PEOPLE cause death and suffering, the BIBLE does not. You’re just a pathetic and bitter person who wants to take her disdain for religion and convince everyone else to follow suit.

What is truly pathetic is going around to other people’s websites and spewing an endless stream of invective and insults in order to coerce them into believing in a book of supernatural and fabulous fairytales written by a backward nation some 2,500 years ago.

And, yes, I do read the Bible in its original languages on a more or less daily basis, a fact you would already know if you were as expert on my work as you pretend to be in your insulting pronouncements.

But thank you for yet another example of how Bibliolatry causes people to become antisocial and hateful.

Ah yes, and delving further into the author’s submission, I find the following at the link proviDed that claims Islam has killed 270 million people:

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Yes, I would say that these figures are indeed quite rough, so rough as a point of fact that they exceed any academically reviewed mortality estimate that I have ever seen by a couple of hundred million.

Perhaps someone could provide a credible source of these numbers. ( emphasis on credible) I have to ask at this point, is freedom of speech on this site perceived as the liberty to just make it up as you go along?

Here Is a Little Clue For YouSince I have asked for some validating sources for all these claims of religious mass murders, I thought I would provide a little assistance with one of the typical points of atheist hysteria, known historically as the Christian Crusades.

The BBC presented a very nice documentary on the Crusades wich cited the total number of deaths from military engagements and civilian persecution at under 3000.

So let’s see, with this classic point of atheist hysteria accounting for 3000 deaths, you only have to account for several million more deaths by Christian and Judaic religious persecution to validate your claim that: “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”, and place the Bible ahead of the Communist Manifesto as an incentive for mass murder.

It took me all of 10 minutes to get my 20th century democide numbers together, which I will be very happy to provide.

So your response to a request for validating source material is to tell me what “you heard,” and then to proceed to hang a politically incorrect label on me. Well I must say that this is pretty much what I had expected, and I assure yo yhat I am not going to be that easy to dismiss.

I’m going to give you the benefit of assuming that you are sincere in your belief that religion is the greatest threat to humanity, and simply state that the evidence supported by historic fact indicates that you are very wrong.

Government tyranny at the hands of elitist criminals is by far the greatest oppressor, and murderer of humanity in all of human history, and at this point in human history is by far the greatest threat we face.

Here is an academic site that provides a chart of democide by event, political ideology, and nation.

[url]http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/[/url]

Considering that most credible academicians place the total number of victims of all religious persecution at under 11 million people on the high end throughout all of human history, the hundreds and hundreds of millions of people murdered by government is going to disprove your premise that the Bible is the horror of the world.

Yes, I read some revisionist history of the Inquisition and the past 1700 or so years of Christian mayhem throughout Europe. I am editing a book right now that lays out all this horror, and it sure doesn’t sound the like the revisionist remarks you are trying to pass along here.

You are honestly surprised to find out that many millions of people on planet Earth over the past couple of hundred years have been told of the enormous amount of bloodshed created by Christ’s Church, whether Catholic or Prostestant? You, purportedly an expert on this subject, really do not know the immense body of literature that has been compiled on the massive deaths from invasions by Christians worldwide?

And now you are trying to tell me with a straight face that all of that murder and mayhem – which came out only very grudgingly with great effort by more rational members of society – has somehow been wiped away because of a few supposedly “peer-reviewed” texts?

So, are you also suggesting that the tens of millions of Native Americans who were supposedly murdered by the invading CHRISTIAN Spaniards and others just really didn’t exist in the first place?

re: [quote name=”Daniel”]Two thirds of the world believes in reincarnation. They took all references to this out of the Bible. After all, why would we need the priests and ministers and rabbi’s and so forth if we had “more chances” to get things right? Job security perhaps?[/quote]

Seriously, if the rules of the bible applied to today’s society, we all would have been put to death by now.

Touching the hide of a pig; eating shellfish; approaching an altar with a deformity; wearing clothing made of different material; working on Sunday; allowing hair to grow past the temples; planting more than one vegetable in a garden.

These are all abominations according to the bible, and are punishable by death.

What a wonderful book of love written in the words of a loving creator!

who said that? Excuse me, doubting Thomas, but I must have missed something in my reading of the bible that seems to conflict with your harsh criticism of our creators words such as:

“Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them which curse you, pray for them which despitefully use you.” (Luke 6:27,28)

I don’t find words like these in other texts and it sure doesn’t fit the contemporary mantra of premptive war that the neocons want us to believe. Help me out will you about how teachings like these could be punishable by death?

StudyYou really need to read the Old Testament, that huge collection of writings before the birth of Christ. It’s part of the Bible, and has some of the most heinous acts you will ever read of, all brought to you in the name of God.

The writer shows his ignorance of the bible I doubt if he has even opened on.

What is wrong with the Ten Commandments, if we all followed just this one teaching of the Bible the world would be a much better place.

The Bible in fact warns us about idiots such as this writer. It tells us not to waste time try to convince people such a him as to the true nature of Christianity.

So you believe what you want I will believe in Christ and salvation. What does it hurt for me to believe and try to live my life accordingly.If I am wrong and there is only death what does it hurt, but if the writer is wrong he will spend eternity in damnation and hellfire.

The 10 commandments are an embodiment of 613 decrees, laws, and commands. Joe, one of the commandments is to teach the torah, do you do this? If you want to be a follower of Yahweh then I suggest YOU pick up your Bible and read it. Don’t pick and choose what best suits your delusional replacement religion.

spiritual updatingWe are at the same crossroads as the Israelites during Jesus’ time. With “the Good Samaritan” and “the Woman at the Well”, he made them question the basis of their antiquated belief system with simple stories, forgoing stonings and such for forgiveness. We, as well, need to examine the impact of Christianity through new eyes, through the eyes of those murdered and oppressed for “truths” sake. Only then will we find personal salvation and cultural enlightenment.

What does it hurt?Perpetuating myths as truth means you’re lying to yourself, and quite possible many others. Why not take the time to research the origin of the stories in the Bible? Isn’t the book you hold so dear that you use it to guide your life, worth spending some time trying to better understand its roots?

You suggest that we just follow the 10 Commandments. What about the rest of bible? What you’re proposing is called ‘cherry picking’. You can’t call yourself a Christian and only choose to follow the 10 Commandments and ignore the rest of the bible. “The true nature of Christianity” is reflected in the bible- the murders, suffering of women, rape, and struggle for power no matter who gets hurt is all in there. These are not isolated stories either; these themes are repeated over and over again.

You are right, there is a long history of cruel murders, of the oppression and denigration of women, of entire cultures being wiped out. Its a little rich to blame all this on a book. Culprits always point the finger at anyone or anything but themselves. But in every case it is men, and sometimes women, who have committed these crimes. They may have carried out their wickedness in the name of any of a large number of causes. In every instance this is a cop out. If you kill someone you are a murderer. You did it. There is no holy war. There are just greedy bastards, and then there are the rest of us.Despite our best efforts, none of us entirely escape conditioning. As a freethinker are you somehow immune? You seem to be suggesting that anyone who has faith in anything beyond a reasonable explanation is a victim of conditioning. This is very much an “opinion”.Perhaps there is a Cartesian conundrum here. Descartes, by the way never lost his faith. He just developed a scientific method, base on scrupulous collection of [i]facts[/i], which for him did not preclude his Christian beliefs. The fact that his followers didn’t get this speaks volumes.

Throw the BibleWhilst religious fervour often encourages conversion by the swordthe Bible, at least the New testament, basically discourages violence.It’s amazing how the Bible and/or Koran are singled out for criticism.The Old testament is most assuredly a mish mash of myth, truth andabove a great deal of Jewish propaganda. Most of the OT is an “excuse”. An “excuse” to legitamize murder and theft by God’s“chosenites”. The NT on the other hand at least hints that the OT was not relly the way to behave. surely at least 99% of humanityknow the difference between right and wrong! So why is so much authority and emphasis given to the OT? The answer lies in the continuous insistance that God singled out a bunch of his miscreantsfor his preferential treatment……so the story goes!In the meantime one does not hear even a whisper about the less than charitable views of the Talmud. Why is this? Is it because it would have to be one of the most hideous bits of “dogma” ever penned? It’s quite pornographic in concept, maybe it should bepromoted more in the media….it sure has quite a bit of religious instruction for the “believer” or adherant to it’s faith.Precise “laws” pertaining to sexual activities allowed with underagechildren, and how to “excuse” ones actions when commiting thesereligious duties. It gives one a balanced view on how to treat othersif they are not quite up to your religious standings. It also provides quite comforting words to soothe one’s concience if you follow the“good” book (Talmud) and treat goyim the way one should.Acharya (Murdock, Murdoch, Mardock) what say you about the Talmud?

Here’s what I say about the Talmud – and what I have been saying about the Talmud for over a decade since that article has been online. Some of it was even posted on Rense.com, which is where I assume you are coming from.

Wrong, I don’t need Rense.com to educate me on the evils of the Talmud. I have been studying the evils of the Talmud for over 35 years and also the horrors of atheistic communism’s killing machine, having family members victims of the holodomar. I care not what “free thinking”, DO AS THOU WILT cult thinks about the Bible. But I am always happy to respond to their lunacy and anti-Christ ramblings. It doesn’t take much research to lead to the fact that many of these crimes were actually committed by “free thinkers” fronting themselves as “christian”. You can only fool the ignorant!

Oh my you people are so smart. SO then what does in god we trust mean when it says it in big letters above the judge’s bench? Hmmmm, seems like maybe being an ignorant f**k ain’t the way to go. How about we throw out science while we are at it. Nothing but sick tests, disease, inhumane studies, weapons are the creation of science, so lets get rid of it. No more science cause it killls millions upon millions too. After all we have seen science boast its mighty claims of godlike status and messiah status, yet not one f**kin cure? Still it only treats symptoms which science may very well be the cause of said symptoms. You lost losers can take your god money to the grave, you can shove your science and lies up your ass where they belong, and if you insist on throwing out the bible I suggest you learn up on common law vs commercial law and gain a bigger understanding of the world. However like most idiots I am sure this band wagon is bound for glory. In closing I hope you fools do wipe out the bible. That way you wipe out your human rights. If you don’t know how or why they would be linked…..well you got the genius spouting off in this article who basically brings up the same old boring arguments that are irrelevent. Enjoy your pagan nation.

This theory/opinioin has been discredited by thinkThe PROOF this opinion/theory is shallow is the fact that before the Bible was written there was every bit as much tragedy and warfare being waged throughout the world as after. Only the utterly ignorant think the world was nothing but holding hands and singing love songs all day before the Bible or the Koran or any other book was written.

You are looking for a panacea and barking up the wrong, discredited tree. The source of war/conflict is not religion, but the nature of a small percentage of people who feel they must control and dominate other people.

Religion can and has been used for evil as well as good. All religion could be gone on a Monday and by Friday someone would have started a war promising the atheists who followed him a share of the spoils.

bosheeshConditioning, conditioning. You forgot the fact that you too are conditioned! Just like everyone else! Freethinking? Come on, you know you can’t do that in a politically correct world! No respect for you? Give me a break. Anyone picking that up is obvisouly conditioned.

You sound so angry… I get angry at the state of this world too but let’s not forget one basic fact: the only reason why religion was always bloody is because we – Man- made it so.No matter what the scripture says, the mind of the corrupt alwsys finds a way to twist meaning to fit their agenda… God gave us free will, and with it people who focused on power, which then corrupted them, and who is in power is like a mirror reflecting on his society.Anyway, anger issues and resentment do not lessen the reality that god exists, as surely as there is night and day, man and woman, spring and winter… If there can be absolute evil then there must be absolute goodness, and it can only be god. Of course those in places of influence have spent a long time making sure most religions fought against one another, and THAT is part of the real propaganda.

What part “sounds angry?” I am simply speaking factually. Doesn’t speaking factually sound angry to you? Perhaps you need to buck up a bit.

I believe the “you sound so angry therefore God exists” argument is in the long list of logical fallacies often used by theist apologists.

By the way, this article had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not God exists – although in consideration of the tawdry trash written in his name that he does nothing about, I suppose one could say that the mere existence of the Bible disproves God’s existence.

Carnal Crunch.Reading this article and the responses to it, leave me shaking my head at the abysmal ignorance of people concerning the Bible.Once your eye’s, ears, and intelect are opened to the Bible , your world is forever changed. Writings of much fiction and entertainment will be put aside as it will be like reading this work for the first time and wonder how you just didn’t see these revealing eye poppers before? You’ll understand more everyday just who your enemies really are and what is at stake in this trial ground of an earth age. This Earth and what goes on in it fit hand and glove with the true words of the Bible. Your here to make a choice between two entities style of living and governance. There will be no fence sitters on this one. If you can just understand that we all have been around in being a long, long, time. Yes the Earth is untold millions of years old and we cheered the work of the fathers hands while He was making it. Your memories are limited here but soon we’ll have total recall of who we were and are. Ask for wisdom and understanding and you’ll recieve it. Don’t let the distractions of this world fill you with an apathetic and complacent attitude over your existance. Beware the Kenites and their Father. May you obtain the KEY OF DAVID to unlock the mysteries and have the blessings of our Father in Jesus name.

Whoever wrote this article clearly knows nothing aThe author of the above article about the bible shows clearly that they know nothing about this coveted book! One needs to look in the old testament to see that YES Israel did have a standing army, or did you forget about both King David and King Solomon? Those who fear the bible’s contents are always the ones who cry foul and claim that it is a mere book of contritiousness! Your sins that you are carrying have found you out, and the wrath that you know coming your way is making you wanna not believe in the bible or anyother book that cracks the glass house you live in. Your ignorance of the bible’s contents is greatly superceeded by your anxiousness to attempt to squelch it’s very existence! This is typical of most sinners, and I do forgive you for being this way, and hopefull, you’ll see the light before you pass on. May God have mercy on your soul dear friend, for the path you travel is a road to your infinite demise unless you give yourself to the Lord!

Yes, you are correct, I suppose that hordes of desert barbarians with stones and slingshots could be considered an “army.”

In any event, they certainly were engaged in killing people – that’s in the Bible too. Conveniently overlooked, naturaly, by those who are conditioned to believe that this one culture’s propaganda is “God’s Word.”

You really can’t see the propaganda in the following Bible quotes?

[quote]When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the LORD your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourseves; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save nothing that breathes …

Deuteronomy 20:10-16

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break into pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever …

Daniel 2:44

[The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male…. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast …Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? …Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

Numbers 31:7-18

He [the Jew] should not press his fellow [Jew] for payment …the foreigner [Gentile] you may press for payment.”

Deuteronomy 15: 2-3

You must not make your brother pay interest, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything on which one may claim interest. You may make a foreigner [Gentile] pay interest but your brother [fellow Jew] you must not make pay interest.

Deuteronomy 23: 19-20

Foreigners (Gentiles) shall rebuild your walls, and their kings shall minister to you …Your gates shall be open continuously; day and night they shall not be shut; that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, with their kings led in procession. For the nation or kingdom that will not not serve you; shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste….

Isaiah 60:10-12

You shall suck the milk of nations, you shall suck the breast of kings; and you shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

Isaiah 60:16

And strangers [Gentiles] shall stand and feed your flocks, strangers shall be your plowmen and vinedressers; but you shall be called the priests of the LORD, men shall speak of you as the ministers of our God; you shall eat the wealth of the nations, and in their riches you shall glory.

Behind The Bible FraudBehind The Bible Fraud – What Was The Church Trying To Hide? http://www.rense.com/general66/hide.htmBe sure to reload this page for the latest comments!When I first spoke to a close Christian friend of mine about the publishing of Tony Bushby’s The Bible Fraud, her reaction was one that many Christians have expressed, and one that made me aghast. She didn’t want the book available because it would “persuade them away from the Bible and the word of God.” Further discussions with her and many other Christians around the world about The Bible Fraud all result in the Bible being quoted as the ultimate reference for the apparent “words of God,” and therefore the basis for their arguments. The problem lies in that they believe the Bible is infallible.

If we examine the oldest known Bible to date, the “Sinai Bible” housed in the British Museum (I believe that, during his many years of research, Tony had a private viewing of this priceless book), we find a staggering 14,800 differences from today’s Bible and yet it still remains the word of God?

Bible .The author of this article is self made idiot with IQ ape negronoid from africa and belong to the group like the jew communist bastard Obumba. The Bible is historical book and is about one race of people. Bible is approximately 7500 years old same as the WHITE race on this earth. Nobody finds remains of white people bones, DNA older then 7000 years. Negro and the other races have been on earth 70 thousand years.The word ARAB in ancient hebrew means MIX- in term of race,mix ape negro and white. The word jew didn’t exist till 17th century and “J” is not even letter of ancient hebrew. The jews are just impostors a serpent, satanic seeds the garden of Eden,satanic seed of NACHASH.

Your an idiotFirst I am not a Christian, but do take the bible as the “greatest story ever told” but seriously You all are just more Americans that fail to see the bigger picture. For the bible kills as many people as a gun sitting on the table. It is the teachings within society and the milsleading within our religious and political structures that causes books and guns to kill people.When you take information and put it in the hands of uneducated people, that dont have the mental construction to comprehend what the actrual meaning of things are then you will have some serious misinterpretation of ideas, which will lead to the masculine archetype and materialistic mentality taking over. For what ever atheist wrote this, wake up and to the editor that published it, your an idiot and to all of you that think this way, this si why we are losing our country for you all fail to see the bigger picture of things. Sit down with a law dicitonary and read the 14th amendment and then you will realize why you are not known as people of the land but as mearely legal persons with privlidges.

“A problem cannot be solved by the same consciousness that created it” Albert Einstein

patheticI love how you don’t mention the Talmud or the Torah in this heinous argument of yours, 2 “religious” books that you can bet have caused more damage than the Bible or the Koran. But then I guess you might be an “anti-Semite” by the Zionist pissants that run this world if you did that… pathetic

What is “pathetic” is that you apparently are unaware that the Torah is part of the Bible, being either the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament itself.

So, clearly I am absolutely discussing the Torah here – in fact, pretty much only the Torah. The New Testament is something I have discussed elsewhere ad infinitum, but it is clearly yet another of the same long constructs by Jewish scribes as can be found in the Old Testament.

As concerns the Talmud, I have written about that text as well many times. Here’s just one article:

Stupid is as Stupid Does (and thinks) “Seriously, the Bible has caused more horror and trauma on this planet than any other text in history.”

Seriously – It is people who have caused more horror and trauma on this planet. You will likely be thrown in your own trash for being so stupid. Take responsibility and allow other people to do so and don’t blame a book especially the Bible.

Crying for attention your entire life like you will cause more hooror and trauma.

Throw the Bible in the TrashYou are sooo wrong !The Bible can only be understood by persons who have been given the Holy Spirit, otherwise you cant understand it. The people who critisize it, never read it and if they did, will get nothing out of it, to their eternal detriment. Believe in Jesus Christ and your life will change for the better.

NO! People Should Follow the Bible!The bible has caused all of mankind’s suffering?! Let’s start with Das Kapital by Karl Marx from there we have Lenin, 15,000,000 murdered – Stalin 30,000,000 dead – Ho Chi Minh a couple million – Pol Pot now there is piece of work 3,000,000 – Lets not forget Mao the father of Red China 80,000,000+! And the Piker, Hilter probably thumped 10,000,000 or so for a grand total of 140,000,000. All of these rascals have one thing in common they hated religion. All of them were were atheist and they piled up 200,000,000+ plus bodies when one includes all of the other small time atheist thugs and they did it in less then 75 years! At the rate the friggin atheist are going in another 100 years they will have murdered everyone!

They make the Christians and Muslims look like rookies. I’d take a genuine Christian or Muslim any day over an smug self righteous illuminated better then thou atheist. Don’t get me wrong I know a number of very good people that are atheist and a number of Christians that aren’t worth a hoot.

You are an idiot tooFirst of all, show me evidence that these men where atheist? Next Hitler, Stalin were working for the Vatican, as a recent report came out released from the British MI5 that Hitler was an agent working for them and the Vatican and that he had strong ties to the Pope himself. Next not believing in a organized religion like many of the people mentioned above does not make you an atheist, msot simply beleived in a philisophy like Buddhism or Confusianism. Then you forgot to mention probably the all time greatest murders of all. The Vatican. Remember the 9 Crusdes that spanned over a 1000 years? Estmated 100 of millions to billions, then iof you add in the recent Christina muslim war you have another 6-7 million. You are an idiot, get your history right, read the bible as a story not a literal document. It tells a lot about history and life and astrology. It has lots of hidden meaning that NO you dont need the “spirit” to understand it. Next, check out some unbiased research on these topics from NON christian sources then come to a conclusion, dont take someone elses word for it only trust yourself. Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas, the only way to OUR father is through unselfish love of yourself and a reconnection to the earth.But that book was thrown out by the catholic church…hmm wonder why.

to all name callers and hatersMatthew 5:22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca, ‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

All religions are an over complex fairy tale to explain the most basic principle, right vs wrong. Simple as that. Religion is in your heart, not some mega-structure resulting from “building envy”. I like George Carlins’ take on religion.

Sorry, Ross, but no one said anything about outlawing the Bible. But I understand that such a perspective fits in with your Bible-induced delusion concerning Revelation and End Times.

The believers who have been filled with sinister delusions are apparently just waiting for any “little person” to come along who might fit their Bible-induced notions of an adversaryl. The pathology created by this delusion is expressed through their seemingly gleeful hatred of nonbelievers and apparent sadism that wants to see the world end and have living, breathing human beings punished and tortured.

Yet again another example of misplaced anger and hatred. I think it is people you have a problem with my friend. The Word is nothing but love but I wouldn’t expect you to know much about that seeing how you’ve obviously never read a Word of it… but go on with your disinformation… if the “Christian” religions can do iit why not the rest of you religious people. What a joke.

Acharya S said Hilter well he is a role model Christian after all he said he based his SS on the jesuits type in , Hitlers Pope , and , Hitler and the church , and you will pull up some lovely photos on the Net i have seen them as a franciscan monk is looking on with joy at their Man

Two thirds of the world believes in reincarnation. They took all references to this out of the Bible. After all, why would we need the priests and ministers and rabbi’s and so forth if we had “more chances” to get things right? Job security perhaps?

RE:Throw the Bible in the trashHuman Beings by far, are the Greatest Of Parasites, Humans do not like the Bible because Like insipid, spoiled children, Humans do not like to be told when they are wrong. I can only hope God did not create us. But I can also hope that He will destroy us. Human Beings, regardless of race or gender are hopelessly flawed creatures that have never, in human history, shown any real improvement in themselves. Truly a Tainted product of Engineering. When Mankind finally dies, I know no God will cry.

I always thought he was joking but he wasn’t. It’s about time somebody called a spade a spade – thank you Acharya S! You are a very brave and courageous woman for standing up to the brainwashed fundamentalist bible thumpers. If there was a god or even a Jesus, they would certainly support you. The world has certainly not been improved by any of the Abrahamic faiths. Quite the opposite.

“If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced?”– Percy Bysshe Shelley, English poet (1792-1822)

“I do not feel obliged to believe that some God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.”– Galileo Galilei, Italian physicist and astronomer (1564-1642)

“Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers.”– Bruce Calvert

“It is difficult to get a person to understand something, when their salary depends upon their NOT understanding it.”– Upton Sinclair

“Human history has a sad legacy of antagonism towards the “new”, & ironically, those who are least qualified to comment on a new subject are also those most actively engaged in denouncing it.”– Freddy Silva

“Instead of mythology being a disease of language, it may be truly said that our theology is a disease of mythology”– Gerald Massey

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Christian quotes

“My friend, god does not hear the prayer of a Jew for how in the world can god hear the prayer of a man that does not believe that Jesus Christ is the true messiah” – Reverend Baily Smith

“No, I don’t know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H.W. Bush, when he was candidate for president

“Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land – for Jesus Christ – to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect life & godliness. It is dominion we’re after not just a voice. It is dominion we’re after not just influence. It is dominion we’re after not just equal time. It is dominion we’re after. World conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to do.”– George Grant – “changing of the guard” pg 50-51

“The church should be a disciplined charging army christians, like slaves & solders ask no questions. We are fighting a holy war” – Jerry Falwell

“Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors — in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.” – D. James Kennedy

“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith … We need believing people.”– Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.

All religion comes down to for me is, [b]discrimination[/b] against those who believe differently. Or simply see no reason to believe at all. So, either you’ve all got the wrong god or god just doesn’t exist. I’ve seen nothing from any religion that truly supports spiritual enlightenment, let alone – democracy, freedom or equal rights. None of your gods impress me in the slightest way. And all theists have to offer in return is the typical name-calling and insults. Proving to us all that all they are doing is trying to sell us an invisible product. They help show the world that god doesn’t exist at the end of the day.

[b]”I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”[/b]– Historian Stephen Henry Roberts 1901-71

“If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.” – House

Sexism and cultural Xenophobia predated the bible and have existed in populations prior to exposure to Judeo-Christianity. Asia was rife with such behavior generations before “Christian” kings of Europe sent trade emissaries and the priests who eventually followed. Communist (atheist) China is facing a surplus of men unable to find mates because ancient cultural practices led them to favor producing male offspring. Women were little more than trophies and baby factories, and a woman was valued on the number of sons she bore her husband.

Religion, science and even the name of Progress have been used by exploitative forces to justify their behavior. Not long after Darwin published his origin of species, racists were claiming that various populations (Africans, Native Americans and even Jews) were “less evolved” than Anglo-Saxons due to anatomical variations then considered more apelike or primitive. Some slavery apologists suggested that Africans captured and exploited for Western society were better off, as in the care of a master they received modern medical treatment and might be taught to read.

Any of the sins blamed on the Bible would exist even in its absence as they seem to be common flaws linked to humanity as whole. Communist China and Russia committed human rights atrocities for decades and to this day without a deity of any sort to justify those actions. In fact, it seems in attempting to stamp out the flame of faith they were driven to engage in the same behavior so demonized in association with religious cultures. I doubt very much those that suffered under such regimes would have considered their suffering justifiable in the name of Logic, Reason and Rationality nor been comforted to think they’d not been tortured or killed in the name of an “imaginary sky daddy”.

The human impact of such brutal behavior is felt regardless of the personal motives of the dictator, his secular motives are just as shallow as any religious justification offered. As such I cannot say I would feel comforted by the outlawing of any or all religions, all it would do is create more victims as the faithful would then become the new Untermenschen, the new undesirable and would be treated with contempt and callous disregard for human dignity.

I have done enough research over the years to know that you do not have your facts straight. Your sources are not very reliable, to say the least. Archaeology has confirmed the Bible again and again.

Have you ever read F.F. Bruce? I bet you never heard of him.

How about Alfred Edersheim, Randall Price, Carston Peter Thied or Matthew D’Ancona? Bet you never heard of them either.

You said, “Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible.”

Oh really? Let’s see….

Concerning Biblical technology, ancient people most certainly did not have stone age technology. Anybody who knows anything about ancient history knows this.

Concerning Biblical mentality:

The Bible says that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). But these days, we know that hating our enemies is much better, don’t we?

The Bible says that we should forgive “seventy times seven” (Matthew 18:21-22) But we know how outdated forgiveness is. It’s better to hold a grudge.

The Bible says that love is the most important of all (1 Corinthians chapter 13). But we are advanced enough to know that love is not all that important, right?

The Bible says that we should have an attitude of giving (Luke 6:38; see 6:1-38). But we know that it’s better to be selfish and self-centered, don’t we?

The Bible says that people should have sex only in the context of marriage. But we are smart enough to know how silly that is; we can have all kinds of sexual relationships! Sexual diseases? Unwanted pregnancies? People being treated like sexual objects? Not a problem! (except for those people with an incurable disease like HIV or AIDS).

You quoted Robert Ingersoll as saying,

“If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane.”

Consider this: The Roman Empire was hit with plagues in 180 A.D. and 252 A.D. The Romans took their sick family members and placed them out in the street to die! The Christians, following the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, took the sick people in and took care of them, at great risk to themselves.

But being more “sane” than those Christians, we would never follow their example, now would we?

I quote Mr. Spock (of Star Trek fame), who said, “In a society in which everyone is insane, a sane person would be considered insane.”

I submit that our society is quite insane. I also submit that you are terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.

I am amused that you claim I can’t get my facts straight, when you yourself start off with an erroneous supposition.

First, in your derogation, you indicate that you know my work; hence, you have the right to critique it. Next, you ask me about F.F. Bruce, asserting that I’d probably never heard of him. If you actually knew my work, as you have pretended to do, you would know that not only am I familiar with F.F. Bruce’s work, but I have also quoted him in my own book Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ ([url]http://stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html[/url])

In that book as well, you will find quotations from many other Bible and New Testament scholars.

Obviously, I disagree with your assessment that I am “terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.” The Bible remains not “God’s Word” but the propaganda of a particular ethnicity.

There are many other sacred texts that are claimed to be “God’s Word.” Do you believe that they are? The Koran? The various Hindu texts? Why don’t you believe in these texts? Do you see them as manmade products of the culture in which and for which they were written?

I am simply saying the same thing about the Bible. It is a product of the culture for which and by which it was written. It is a cultural artifact. There is nothing “terribly, terribly wrong” about that statement.

The chief value of the Bible, the Hindu Vedas, the ancient texts of Egypt, Babylonia, China, Japan, and all the records of the mythological traditions of ancient cultures, lies in the window into the past that they provide for modern scholars of mythology and archeoastronomy.

The ancient scriptures and mythologies are chock-full of coded references to astronomy. Ancient religion was an astro-theology that was fundamentally concerned with the operations of the cosmos as it was understood by the ancient sky-watchers.

Decyphering the coded metaphors of the ancient scriptures and mythologies gives us an understanding of how ancient people viewed the cosmos and their place in it.

There are discoveries to be made by studying the ancient scriptures and mythologies that reveal a deep knowledge of astronomy among ancient cultures, including the knowledge of Precession and its ramifications. (What ramifications I’m speaking of I will save for another essay.)

I would not throw my own copy of the Bible in the trash. I would keep it on the shelf of my library of archeoastronomy, next to my books about Babylonian mythology and cosmology.

Acharya S. is right about the Jewish, Christian, Moslem, and other religions perpetuating barbaric beliefs and customs. The foolish reverence that ignorant people have for the religious scriptures and mythologies as literal truth is pathological. But the ancient scriptures and mythologies also provide a guidebook to the thinking of ancient cultures, and are valuable to scholars of ancient history for that reason.

Innate ?“We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity. We can produce new “scriptures”…… “

I would agree that humans do have “innate” intelligence, although one certainly wonders at times. (No doubt, it is the product of billions of very lucky mutations over millions of years, in very fortunate environmental conditions.)

As for decency, morality and humanity (I assume you refer to kindness and mercy) it would certainly be nice if we displayed those qualities more often. But, I struggle with the assumption that these are “innate”, and I have read much evidence that indicates they are probably learned behaviors. Even the “best” humans (fill in your own names) will admit to the difficulty in consistently exercising them (they will admit it, because they also choose to exercise another learned behavior called honesty).

Unfortunately, Mankind (sorry….I should use the gender-neutral, Humankind) has a proclivity to exercise other innate traits such as deceit, greed, laziness, selfishness, malice, rage, pride, self-delusion, hate, etc. etc. I suspect that humans have been and are perfectly capable of exercising these darker characteristics without ever even knowing that there is such a thing as a Bible or a Koran. I don’t know how many humans have been killed without any knowledge of the “old scriptures”, but I suspect there are at least as many as the number killed with such knowledge. (I wonder if some of those millions of killings you mention, might have happened simply because the killers were greedy, lazy, selfish, prideful, etc. ?)

The ability to learn highly conceptualized concepts like “right” and “wrong” is itself, another innate and apparently unique human ability. Of course, your “right and wrong” might be different than my “right and wrong”. I suspect that we would each want to codify our own “new scriptures” ……for each others’ benefit, of course. If we happen to disagree on some point here or there, I’m sure we can just use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity to work it out to everyone’s benefit. Hmmm…..Or if we could not, maybe we would eventually revert to Darwin’s scripture…..survival of the fittest.

I for one believe that the nobler traits of Humankind, as well as, the definitions of right and wrong, do not easily proceed from the human heart.

you people are only expressing your opinion here because you have no life.

you have no life because you do not know the Lord jesus christ.

I’m expressing my knowledge here because you people need to get a life.

no christ, no life.

Love,

charlie

Lord jesus cut through the deception of those who call themselves jews but are not jews but do lie, and teach these people morality, which comes from you, courage which comes from you, righteousness and justice which comes from you…and to love their fellow man as you do, you who died to save us from our sins, because you became man, dspite your infinite being and majesty, for this very purpose.

WhenI was 10 years old Jesus appeared to me in the sky holding a book in his hand. There are stories from within Tribes that he lived with long ago in this land before the Europeans arrived as well as the Mormons say in their book he lived in this land with Tribes, too.

Jesus said men were going to do all manner of evil in his name. Man upon the earth had been doing evil in the name of their God or God’s long before Jesus was born of human flesh. Men were doing evil in their own names as well. If they won a war then they wrote they were the hero good guys, & if they lost a war then the other people wrote that they were evil people, and they were the good guys.

Now the days of the Tribes are long gone, and your world of pay your “Bills” and die is here. I am just passing through.

Many Christians claim the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations…not so:2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is inspired by God …”Luke 16:17 All the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.Matthew 5:17 (Jesus) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets…”

Preachers lie that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes, manipulating scripture to assign a kinder nature to their God, hiding the violent, jealous, murdering, cannibalistic reality…yes so:

Genesis2:16.47 All women must pay for the “sins” of their ancestors.

Deuteronomy 3:3-7 God ordered Moses’ army to “utterly destroy” 60 cities, killing all the women and children within!

Exodus 21:7 God gives out laws on how to sell one’s daughter into slavery.

Psalms 135:8 & 136: God’s praised for slaughtering little babies.

You didn’t try to understand our prayers. When we sang our praises to the Sun or Moon or Wind, you said we were worshiping idols. Without understanding you condemned us as lost souls just because our form of worship was different from yours. We saw the Great Spirit’s work in almost everything: Sun, Moon, Trees, Wind, and Mountains. Sometimes we approached Him through these things. Was that so bad?

i say yesyes throw it in the trash, the bible is a few historical facts, and the stories of many other, much earlier relgions, with a heaping pile of bullsh*t on the side.Gods SUN is risen, and without the LIGHT OF THE WORLD, coming over the HORUS-RIZEN, we would all perish.

ya know, folks can’t keep a story straight for more than a week, you ask joe how his vacation was last year, than ask him again in 5 years, it isnt gonna be the exact same.

do you really think that in a span of 2000 years, with all the translations, and scribes that may not have agreed with what they read, that they wouldnt change it to something they thought more suitable to them or their time?

mankind has been warring over sh*t for a long time, but most of the reasons for these wars, are religion… my gods better than your gods. religion, territory, resources, slaves, women for breeding, i figure all would be reasons for ancient man to war against each other, but imo, religion, no matter the god(s) that go with it, is the main culprit 👿

.Humanity needs to grow up now. We need to be able to look issues in the face and deal with them truthfully and responsibly. When we do this, the Bible will to lose its relevance and current status. We need to accept this.

I am sorry you are delusional. You “diss” something you know nothing about. People like you that have read the bible and have not stopped to analyze it are dangerous people. You are like the gambler that reads a book on blackjack and then goes to Vegas thinking he knows how to beat the game.

The rules in the bible are timeless. The book is telling you everything you need to know to get along with your fellow man during this age. What to eat. How to do business. But you love the world under man-made rules right?

I pity your soul.

In fact – all you new-age folks (Acharya especially) that have been blinded enough to diss the word of God are in for shocking awakenings. You are angels of misinformation.

.You do not pity my soul. You say that you do, in order to make me feel bad so I’ll feel compelled to change what I think. The tactic is that of a child. All I’m saying is that you need to look more carefully at what you are saying that you believe in. It is not what you think it is.

DumbassesDon’t you realize that there will be a head and there will be a tail? It’s either you or them. This world doesn’t exist in as some kind of commensalist fantasyworks. There are tick birds, but a helluva lot more ticks. People won’t even suffer the MINOR infractions of others and those in power continue to be those who prey on others. This is natural selection and it is biology. The children of Israel tooks the women in Numbers 31; and you see it as some kind of psychotic infraction. The truth is that the Midianites would have done the same thing. The countries of the world enslave their own and others and fight wars for the profit of the upper crust. If someone in China isn’t exploited, you can’t afford to frickin pay your bills. Utopia only exists in your Disneyfied, fluoridated minds. You have to pick a side. None of the problems go away when religion goes away. Genghis Khan wasn’t carrying the cross or another religion to mask his greed.

Gimme a breakYou say nothing about Jews and Atheists!Jewish Atheists via their Bolshevism have carried out the worst atrocities ever known to man at any time in the history of the world.Put it all on the table would you?Additionally, they have been the instigators of both WWs as well as Iraq (both times) and doubtless all wars and atrocities in the middle east.There is nothing you can say about these glorious facts…is there?I’d bet that most so-called “Christian” horrors were actually Jewish; because there is NO WAY that Christianity (by itself…not this fake Judaic-?Christianity that some suggest) can be responsible for any of it.The Old Covenant (again Jewish) Is where the wars and atrocities occur (and seemingly are condoned). Every “Preacher” who teaches anti-Christian messages from the Old Testament are obviously Zionist-Judaizers and NOT Christians.

Really? I say nothing about Jews? The Bible was written by Jews – did you not know that?

This short article isn’t about every atrocity ever perpetrated in all of human history. It’s about the value of the Bible.

I have written extensively elsewhere about numerous other subjects, including criticizing “militant atheism ([url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~topic331891-Atheism?selstate=allcat#breadcrumb[/url]).”

If you did a search on this site, you would find plenty of writings on Judaism – but this is one as well, because Christianity is Judaism for the masses. And Islam is Old Testament Judaism for Arabs.

Believing in GodThis is the new age thinking for the new world order. The illuminati have it all figured out, they will soon bring forth or reveal their own Maitreya to the sheeple.

The Lord commanded the habiru (wanderers) to kill off the sodomites, those who rule by bloodline. These were the rebellious against god.The Bible if followed today would have deterred the coming catastrophe designed to erase 80 percent of the world’s population.

Part of the plan is to erase the word of God, and to destroy the belief in his Son, Joshua Ben Joseph who came forth as the random equation of natural selection.

If you have no faith, you have no hope, and then you become an automaton, isn’t that what the discerning intelligence of the writer of the article is really saying? The bible is a relic, you have no faith, it is fake, you have no hope. Believe what the writer says, so that the writer can do the bidding of the Illumined ones and then tell you what to believe and what to hope for.

Test your angels, your gut is telling you the author spews alot of sh*t, and the Bull is where the sh*t is, BABE.

Men have killed men. We only need look at the current conditions in the world to see how the Illumined ones operate. They have used Religion as an art of war, and as a tool to cause conflagration among two peoples so that they oppose each other, than they sell them implements of war and destruction so they can go at it.

We see that the United State government caused the war between Iraq and Iran and then spent years supplying both sides with ammunition and anthrax, and Sarin, and mustard gas……

It is men who foment and kill, not god. Jesus said love the lord your god with all your soul and all your might, and your neighbor as yourself. Just listen to the words, they bring faith to hope. Hope springs eternal, its the last straw and the illumined ones are hell bent on destroying it.

[quote]This is the new age thinking for the new world order. The illuminati have it all figured out, they will soon bring forth or reveal their own Maitreya to the sheeple.[/quote]Would you please stop posting this rubbish on my sites? I have nothing whatsoever to do with the Illuminati or Maitreya. This type of hostile delusion is created by Bibliolatry as well.

By the way, priestesses were slaughtered and their goddess worship destroyed – by Bible-worshippers – so why do you call yourself “priestess?” Christianity doesn’t accept such a thing.

re: [quote name=”Acharya S”]So any "anger" or "hatred" we may have would be better placed on [i]people [/i]rather than a book?[/quote]

Yes, people are to blame. Doesn’t mean you burn them… just means you reason with them as best you can. Either way, give me one example of what “Christians” have done in the name of God that you consider an atrocity and I will tell you what the Word says about it.

[quote name=”Acharya S”][quote]The Word is nothing but love but I wouldn’t expect you to know much about that seeing how you’ve obviously never read a Word of it.[/quote]Please provide proof for both of these assumptions.[/quote]

II Timothy 3:16 – All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I John 4:8 – He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

If God is love (which is what the Word says) and all scripture is inspired by God then I would expect that the correct interpretation would show love.

As to reading and knowing the word?

[quote]Genesis2:16.47 All women must pay for the “sins” of their ancestors.[/quote]

Where did you cut and paste that one from… some atheist scripture hate generator…. too funny man… come on.

[quote]Acharya S wrote:So any “anger” or “hatred” we may have would be better placed on people rather than a book?

Yes, people are to blame. [/quote]Yes, and people are to blame for having created the Bible and pushed its propaganda all over the planet.

You’ve cherry-picked a few niceties from the New Testament, among all the rest of the tripe, including exhorting slaves to obey their masters and women to be quiet, etc., ad nauseam.

You have not provided proof for your slur that I have never read the Bible, which you cannot do obviously, because I have read it many times. Hence, your contention was incorrect. But that rarely stops the Bible-thumper.

Stephen – RE: “…give me one example…”“…of what “Christians” have done in the name of God that you consider an atrocity and I will tell you what the Word says about it.”

Better yet Stephen – I’ll not only give you an example of an atrocity done in the name of the Judeo-Christian god, I’ll tell YOU what the “[i]Word[/i]” says about it.

The atrocity was the religious mania that swept New England in the 1600’s, that not only resulted in the infamous Salem Witch Trials, but in hundreds of other religion-sponsored deaths throughout the area, perpetrated as a direct result of what the “[i]Word[/i]” said about it: “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” [[i][b]Exodus[/b][/i] [b]22:19[/b]]

Listen to yourselvesThrow the comments section after articles in the trash because if it gets out of hand the killing might start. Just a way to keep us in conflict amongst ourselves and never do anything constructive.

some honesty pleaseThis comment is a bit off topic but relevant to the question of faith and belief and I would like to know something?

To all of you Christians out there I understand your zeal for what you believe and your desire to express yourselves to those of us who do not.I think it is great that you have found solace and comfort in your belief that there is a being out there somewhere that guides your life. I can see why you put your faith in that being to be there for you and to watch over you.

What I would like to know is why when one of you or one of your loved ones is found to have cancer or some other life ending sicknessyou drop God like a bad habit and run to the nearest modern medical facility and seek out specialist with the most up to date scientific medical knowledge for a cure??

Seems to me this is the time to show God your faith and trust in himis real. I mean how do you know that he did not give this sickness to you for that very purpose to find out just how much you do trust and believe in him and it also seems to me that by going to the modern scientific medical system you have just slapped him right in the face.

seems a bit hypocritical to me to proudly state and carry yourself as a true believer but when trouble arises you turn to modern science.

Why is it that you do not go to your pastor or whatever you have as your leader and ask to be anointed with oil and have the believers in your congregation lay hands upon you and seek your cure from the one you say you have faith and trust in??

Or better yet rejoice and praise God for your sickness for you are going home to heaven where all of you are longing to be.

I think it’s time for you all to be honest with yourselves and stop living the lie you have conned yourself into believing.

It’s my opinion that the reason is because deep down you don’t really believe any of it but you are so invested in your belief system that you can’t bring yourself to face that fact and admit it.

re: [quote name=”Acharya S”]Nothing in the Bible cannot be found in other texts and cultures. The very notion that these guidelines can’t be found in other cultures is the exact cultural bigotry and supremacy I am talking about that emanates from the Bible.[/quote]

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

I am 75 years old already .My family were a very religious family .I start reading the bible when i was 12 years old .It was and spanish bible the language spoken of my puerto rican people . I found so many lies and i wonder why so many people believe in that book.Jehova was a criminal a sex maniac a machista with any love for the humans and Jesus was and ego maniac who believe in hell for humans who dont believe in his point of views .Later in my life i star reading books of Bertrand Russell , ( Why i am not a Christian ) Robert G Ingersoll and specially to Achaira S which i am very very gratefull . If some day you take a vacation to the caribbean sea come to Puero Rico me and my wife will show you this beatiful paradise Island they call the Island of Enchantment

You hold yourself out as educated but then to read your writings, it is clear that you have NO idea what you are talking about.I know you THINK you do and I recognize the sentiment because, at one time, I was in your place. I, too, was so arrogant and sure of my “beliefs” and felt the Christians were surely stupid to believe in the obvious myth. But then I read the Bible. I understand it’s place. I understand it’s message.

Make no mistake, there IS something there. But you have just missed it. You rail against that which you do not understand.

I do feel sorry for you and I hope that you find what you are seeking. AND it is clear from your words that you are a seeker–why do you feel so excluded? It is only YOU who excludes you.

I encourage you to forget what you think you know and try to open your mind to what is really out there to know.

re: [quote name=”Thomas”]Seriously, if the rules of the bible applied to today’s society, we all would have been put to death by now.

Touching the hide of a pig; eating shellfish; approaching an altar with a deformity; wearing clothing made of different material; working on Sunday; allowing hair to grow past the temples; planting more than one vegetable in a garden.

These are all abominations according to the bible, and are punishable by death.

What a wonderful book of love written in the words of a loving creator![/quote]

Let’s try to nip this one in the bud, so to speak. The lack of knowledge between the OT and the NT with many of you is appalling. You all are making judgements on the Bible without even knowing what it says. Choosing to believe in the God of the Bible is one thing after knowing what it actually says, but not knowing what it says and making such mind hoops for yourself, let alone anyone else that comes along is simply intellectually dishonest and it’s just as bad as any example given of “Christians” killing people supposedly because the Bible says to do it. Give me a break. First, tell me where it says followers of Christ are to kill people in the Word of God… and remember… know what you are talking about. Maybe read the following and get a basic understanding of the New Testament, why the OT existed and the reason the laws fromt he OT were given by God.

[quote]Acharya can be best explained by invoking the Navkar Mantra of Jainism. Whenever any prayer is carried out in a Jainism household… the first prayer invoked is the Navkar Mantra. The fourth line of the Navkar Mantra addresses paying obeisance to the Acharyas.[/quote]

Yes… Acharya s. would like to be paid obeisance. Looks like she has her following. Don’t worship God people… worship Acharya. Come on Arch… if you want to come across as an intellectual who has the knowledge to myth away the Bible… it might help not using one that is paid obeisance in prayer… oh my.

Never about PeaceThank you Acharya for convincing me it’s time to stop going to the rense.com site.Why is not the Koran in the trash alongside the Bible?As I have said to other haters of religion over the years, it is the people, not the religion, that commit the crimes and do not obey their respective religion. The same mistakes over and over. Jesus taught to love thy neighbor as thyself. The fact that people do not follow his principles but use the religion to try and hide or rationalize their flaws is not the religion’s fault. If there has been over a billion Christians born since Christ but maybe there has been only a million? (who knows) who have ever actually practiced it. It is testament to our God-opposed mind and also testament to the folly of your contention about the inherent decency of humans or however you put it. Good night, nurse, on that one. I studied the inquisition for awhile, initiated by two German priests. I sometimes left hiding my tears. Do I blame the original religion, the original principles or Jesus for this or the individual men? Anyhow, those of us who do not take the Bible literally and do gain from the goodness in it will never throw it out. Those like you will never have a Bible in your house to throw out, so you are just preaching to the choir. Can you please consider stopping insulting people and move on from your career of religion bashing. It does not help humanity the way you have yourself convinced.

It is either Heaven or Hell . . .Do not bad mouth the Bible which is God’s book. Each of us, like it or not, will end up in Heaven or in Hell. No other options. Why risk going to the bad place because of being a smart mouth wise guy? We, none of us including me, have no idea what is beyond a universe or many universes? Where is that final wall and what could possible be behind it? Read the good book with faith if you dare and watch the flapping lip.

biblelast time i looked, atheist communist governments were responsible for hundreds of millions of murdered, mostly their own citizens, but others, of course, as well. show me in the bible where Jesus taught anyone to murder others. just because someone commits crimes in the name of Christianity doesn’t mean the bible told them to do them. i have heard fools make this allegation many times before, regurgitating this same old worn out excuse for their rebellion against God. i have news for them. those they idolize have already found out the truth, but too late. apparently they wish to join them.

Sorry about the misquoted verse. Some how I thought you quoted that one so I wanted to grab one that you did quote.

[quote][The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male…. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast …Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? …Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”[/quote]

While i stick to the KJV and usually go Hebrew to get the best understanding of what a verse is actually saying… this is close enough, so let’s try to understand, within context, what is going on here.

[quote]The command in question, given by Moses, is in Numbers 31:17-18 “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” To understand this command, a little background is necessary. The situation is that the Medianites are trying to destroy the Israelites, and Moses orders the Israelites to kill the Medianites in order to remove the threat, but to spare the lives of the females. But the adult female captives start trying to lure the Israelites into practicing idolatry. So Moses changes his command, and orders them to kill adult females as well, but to spare the female virgins. Now, in Medianite culture, all females were married off as soon as they reached puberty. So the virgins being spared here are pre-pubescent children, even infants in many cases. For the critics to suppose that “keep alive for yourselves” means to have sex with them is an awfully demented assumption. What God is ordering the Israelites to do is adopt them, which is the most humane thing they could do. Their only other choices would be to kill them or to let them fend for themselves with no parents. Despite how the verse is perceived by critics of the Bible, this is a command to show mercy, not a command to do harm.[/quote]

The Other bookWhy the Bible? There hasn’t been a war based on the Bible since the Crusades. However every war for the past several hundred years have been financed and profited from by those with copies of the Talmud. It would do the world a much better to ban that book. Its racist, supramacist ideology lead to international bankers destroying the US and Europe’s economies, an apartheid country in the middle East, and many countless other ills. It says it is ok to kill and steal from the goyim, just to start.Wake up.

The Bible: Valuable or Not?Well Acharya, I’m Catholic, and, as you’d expect, I have a contrary view to yours with regard to the Bible. Of course it’s true that the Bible has been used throughout history for violent and oppressive ends, and there are certainly passages, in the Old Testament particularly, that lend themselves to that use. However, the good people of the world – and that is the vast majority – find, and have always found in the Bible, a guide to living that has helped them weather the storms of life by giving their lives meaning and purpose. The good people of this world, those who believe in and use the Bible for life, are not fanatics, oppressors, or demagogues. Unfortunately, tragically, their leaders have always known how to use religious faith to mobilize nations for war and conquest, and the natural human propensity to sin has long led even the good people of the world to commit terrible acts as a result of this mobilization, but that does not mean that the Bible itself is bad. Rather, it means that people are prone to sin and can easily be led astray, particularly when they are seized by fear and zenophobia, and urged on by leaders they trust. The Bible should not be blamed for the terrible events of history. The PEOPLE that used the Bible for evil ends are to blame for those events.

For thousands of years, people have had to read, or hear, the Bible with faith, without little confirmation of their beliefs from sources outside the Bible itself. With the advent of science, scepticism regarding the events of the Bible has increased exponentially. At last, however, science appears to have confirmed one of the central events -perhaps THE central event – of the Bible: The Resurrection of Christ.

Scientists investigating The Shroud of Turin, thought since the 1980’s to be a Medieval forgery due to radiocarbon dates pointing to an origin in the late thirteenth century, were unconvinced by those dates because of several anomalous features of the Shroud and continued their research. According to the Shroud of Turin website previously run by Barrie Shwortz, one of the original 1978 STURP investigators, the scientists have reached a consensus stating that the radiocarbon dates were wrong and that the Shroud probably dates to the first century. It has long been known that the blood on the Shroud is human blood, and that the image of the “Man in the Shroud” does not appear beneath the bloodstains, indicating that the image was formed after the stains. The focus of the investigators has since been the exact nature of the image itself. It is very diffuse, confined to the topmost fibers of the cloth, and seems to disappear the closer one gets to the Shroud. Owing to the fact that the bloodstains are not smeared on the cloth, as they would have been if the wrapped body had been removed, the investigators have concluded that the image was formed by an intense burst of some unknown energy that came from the dead body of the Man, who was dead, as evidence of the onset of rigor mortis shows. They have further concluded that the image was made as the body PASSED THROUGH THE SHROUD.

What all this indicates to me is that the image of the Man in the Shroud is that of Jesus Christ, and that it is, in effect, a PHOTOGRAPH OF THE RESURRECTION!

scary thoughtHere’s what I used to believe: all religions can’t be right even though they all claim to be, therefore they are probably all wrong.I was comfortable in my new found wisdom(I was only 12 years old at the time.) I figured the argument was over and went on to other pursuits. Later on, as she often does, my significant other asked me why I believed that all religions were wrong? Why couldn’t they all be right? My knee jerk reaction to this statement was that it was totally absurd. She went on to remind me of Quantum Theory in which reality is changed simply by the act of being observed by the observer(us). So she went on to ask me, “What if the universe accommodates any belief if it is believed strongly enough by enough observers?” The universe is definitely big enough to accommodate them all. So my friends what if you are all right? Somewhere out there is a heaven with golden streets and pearly gates. Hindus are being reincarnated right and left. And there’s even some happy Vikings battling away in Valhalla as we speak! Very scary thought if you ask me. My advice is to be very, very careful in what you choose to believe. But what if…

Myself I think I might like to join my Native American brothers in their happy hunting grounds…although I haven’t figured out yet exactly why we will still be hunting? Do spirit people still get hungry?

some honesty pleaseThis comment is a bit off topic but relevant to the question of faith and belief and I would like to know something?

To all of you Christians out there I understand your zeal for what you believe and your desire to express yourselves to those of us who do not.I think it is great that you have found solace and comfort in your belief that there is a being out there somewhere that guides your life. I can see why you put your faith in that being to be there for you and to watch over you.

What I would like to know is why when one of you or one of your loved ones is found to have cancer or some other life ending sicknessyou drop God like a bad habit and run to the nearest modern medical facility and seek out specialist with the most up to date scientific medical knowledge for a cure??

Seems to me this is the time to show God your faith and trust in himis real. I mean how do you know that he did not give this sickness to you for that very purpose to find out just how much you do trust and believe in him and it also seems to me that by going to the modern scientific medical system you have just slapped him right in the face.

seems a bit hypocritical to me to proudly state and carry yourself as a true believer but when trouble arises you turn to modern science.

Why is it that you do not go to your pastor or whatever you have as your leader and ask to be anointed with oil and have the believers in your congregation lay hands upon you and seek your cure from the one you say you have faith and trust in??

Or better yet rejoice and praise God for your sickness for you are going home to heaven where all of you are longing to be.

I think it’s time for you all to be honest with yourselves and stop living the lie you have conned yourself into believing.

It’s my opinion that the reason is because deep down you don’t really believe any of it but you are so invested in your belief system that you can’t bring yourself to face that fact and admit it.

Crazy250 million people were killed by socialists like Hitler (the head of the German National Socialist Workers Party, you know, Nazis), Stalin, Mao. They were not Christian. But hey, I understand that you need tolie to yourself and everyone around you in order to have your opinion. One glance at your website and its clear you are a closet satanist. Sheez, you don’t have to TRY to burn in eternity, bud.

People are bloodthirsty, with or without religion. Julius Caesar bragged about killing a million Gauls in his conquest of that region, and he wasn’t a Christian. Or you could look at the Assyrian bas-reliefs in the British museum, which gloatingly depict ghastly atrocities including impalement and flaying alive. And so on; you can read Solzhenitsyn’s comparison in _The Gulag Archipelago_ of the Inquisition’s body count as compared with that of the Cheka. The atheists killed more than the believers could dream of.

Religion is actually an improvement, in one sense. A good Christian might commit atrocities, but there’s a chance that he will be tormented by guilt. The pre-Christians, e.g. the classical Greeks and Romans, didn’t seem to have a problem with all sorts of wretched cruelty. There are good arguments against religion, but the “religion causes war and cruelty” argument isn’t one of them.

craigThe church was 1500 years without a bible and many people died for their faith and so many saints had the work of god in them that millions were converted,the bible is a book but god never said write bibles and pass them on and make your own opinion about it, but he pass tecahings down from the early fathers of the church and god worked in so many of them, for they have divine faith for the followed him with all their heart and god gave what ever they asked for, raised the dead controled the weather converted millions even the hardest unbelivers, the bible is gods word but not god for you are not saved by the bible see how many different churches came out from the bible.

Ban the Bible as a dangerous mind virusThanks for the posting Acharya S.

The Bible should be banned as a dangerous mind virus. Should society allow dangerous biological viruses to rage uncontrollably? Absolutely not. Well the so called Holy Bible is a memetic mind virus, more dangerous then any biological virus based on body count.

The Bible is a book of memes, when a normal gentle humans are infected by the “bible code” they can turn into a psychopathic killers. Our voluntary military is infested with Christian memebots, anxious to kill Muslims because of their Bible indoctrination. The military is very well aware of this and has promoted fundamentalist crazies to top rank of General and they are working closely with Israeli intelligence to start World War 3. Just a week ago the top US Admiral Mullen meet with General Gabi Ashkenazi to plan World War 3. Get ready for hundreds more millions dead.

All because of the memes. The world is in mortal danger, Jews and Christians are aligning to start nuclear war on Muslims. After the radioactive dust settles I doubt many are going to tolerate religion much longer. No more bullsh*t people, this is deadly serious the situation caused by religious belief.

It’s time to ban the Bible, its not holy, it’s satanic evil. Fear as a base for religion creates war. There is no judging god, there is no devil or hell, there is no salvation needed. It’s all a great big lie.

re: Crazy[quote name=”Frank”]250 million people were killed by socialists like Hitler (the head of the German National Socialist Workers Party, you know, Nazis), Stalin, Mao. They were not Christian. But hey, I understand that you need tolie to yourself and everyone around you in order to have your opinion. [/quote]

Your point? Religious folks can’t seem to think outside of religious concepts. Atheism is a NON-belief in something, not another religion. I know, hard for you to swallow. National Socialism & Communism are belief systems. Dogmas. Faiths. Like the pre-fab ideology that was installed in your head as a substitute for real thought.

They all have bad reason & no evidence to support their claims, a novel view of history & humanity’s purpose, us-&-them mentalities, saints & martyrs, “devils”, promises of some future utopia after some terrible final struggle with the baddies, rules that dictate people’s lives, ect. And the interests of these Faiths always come way before the needs or lives of real people.

And your tired old knee-jerk anology is an embarrassing non sequitur that consistently makes apologists look dumb. “Non-(insert religion) have killed so you can’t criticize all the killing (insert religion) did”. Funny.

Killing is wrong, isn’t it? Was it wrong when Stalin did it for his Faith? If so, it was wrong when the various Jesus cults did it for their (& your) Faith too.

[quote] One glance at your website and its clear you are a closet satanist. Sheez, you don’t have to TRY to burn in eternity, bud. [/quote]

Wow. You sure have a quick eye for spotting the devil’s minions. You would’ve been a great heretic-sniffing Inquisitor or witch hunter in the good ole’ days.

Who is “you?” And what “atheists?” I have never claimed to be an atheist.

So, because of the Bible you have set up your little world of believers and unbelievers, and the Bible has so brainwashed you that you think [b]only Bible-believers are theists [/b](don’t worry about the 2+ billion Muslims, Hindus and other religionists).

And you consider that violence – murder, in fact – is the only way to go, apparently, for all people who do not believe as you do.

Thank you for yet another reason why the Bible needs to be thrown in the trash – it produces “Savage” mentalities such as yours.

Albert Pike“The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.” – Albert Pike 33rd Degree Freemason

I am not an atheist. I have no interest in Albert Pike, Masonry or Illuminati, other than as historical curiosities, and I’m trying to [i]prevent [/i][b]World War III, which will surely be caused by people driven to violence by insanity-producing BOOKS and SCRIPTURES such as the Bible and the Koran.[/b]

re: Throw the Bible in the trash?[quote]I have done enough research over the years to know that you do not have your facts straight. Your sources are not very reliable, to say the least. Archaeology has confirmed the Bible again and again.[/quote]

So the sun revolves around the 6000 year old earth & a big pillared “firmament” overhead holds up the sky & controls the rain?

[quote]You said, "Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible."

Oh really? Let’s see….

Concerning Biblical technology, ancient people most certainly did not have stone age technology. Anybody who knows anything about ancient history knows this.[/quote]

Huh? Which 8000+ part of ancient history? So stone age people didn’t have stone age technology? Do you really doubt the level of technological advance we have over the authors of the Bible?

If you ever catch leprosy, try Leviticus 14 instead of a hospital. I suppose that 2 dead birds, cedar wood, a scarlet string, & hyssop are cheaper than paying a deductible, though.

[quote]Concerning Biblical mentality:

The Bible says that we should love our enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). But these days, we know that hating our enemies is much better, don’t we?[/quote]

Strawman arguement. It’s not an either-or proposition. Plenty of Christians hate their enemies. Plenty of non-Christians don’t. And that teaching is much older than the NT.

[quote]The Bible says that we should forgive "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22) But we know how outdated forgiveness is. It’s better to hold a grudge.[/quote]

How forgiving is creating a flaming torture-pit & roasting your children for eternity in it? How’s that for a grudge?

[quote]The Bible says that love is the most important of all (1 Corinthians chapter 13). But we are advanced enough to know that love is not all that important, right?[/quote]

Another strawman. We don’t need the Bible to know that. More common sense that predates the Bible.

Love sure tops the “fear of the Lord” that God demanded for most of the Bible,though. And if you don’t do what Jesus tells you, he’s going to sentence you to burn in that flaming torture-pit his daddy made forever & he isn’t going to do anything about it. How’s that for love?

[quote]The Bible says that we should have an attitude of giving (Luke 6:38; see 6:1-38). But we know that it’s better to be selfish and self-centered, don’t we?[/quote]

Another strawman. Who said otherwise? Again, people didn’t need the Bible to tell them these things were good. More common sense & way older than the Bible.

[quote]The Bible says that people should have sex only in the context of marriage. But we are smart enough to know how silly that is; we can have all kinds of sexual relationships! Sexual diseases? Unwanted pregnancies? People being treated like sexual objects? Not a problem! (except for those people with an incurable disease like HIV or AIDS).[/quote]

Another strawman. People aren’t required to be promiscuous perverts to reject the Bible. Most aren’t. And it sure beats the polygamy & killing of adulterers that come with that book.

My mom divorced a violent, abusive piece of trash. She remarried. According to Jesus, she’s going to be tortured forever for this (Luke 16:18). No thanks.

[quote]You quoted Robert Ingersoll as saying,

"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

Consider this: The Roman Empire was hit with plagues in 180 A.D. and 252 A.D. The Romans took their sick family members and placed them out in the street to die! The Christians, following the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles, took the sick people in and took care of them, at great risk to themselves.

But being more "sane" than those Christians, we would never follow their example, now would we?[/quote]

Another strawman. Most of the world isn’t Christian. Most of the world’s sick aren’t being left out to die. Good people don’t need sky-genie dogmas to take care of eachother.

It’s not some huge mystery. Religions get their values, both good & bad, from the men who create them. These things are human traits.

[quote]I quote Mr. Spock (of Star Trek fame), who said, "In a society in which everyone is insane, a sane person would be considered insane.&#34

I submit that our society is quite insane. I also submit that you are terribly, terribly wrong about the Bible.[/quote]

How sane was European society during the 1000+ years of Christian domination? I submit that we’ve come a long way since then & as to the Bible, I respectfully disagree with you.

The Key Is RedThrow the Bible into the trash. I’m sure the satanists will agree with you. Also the pedophiles, the gays, the corrupt politicans and mafia’s, communists, Blackwater (Xe), the military industrial complex and all the others who live for what this world, that belongs to lucifer, has to offer.People who kill in the name of God (thou shalt not kill) obviously donot read the Bible. As the prophecies have foretold, soon mankind will be cleansed from the earth. And throwing away the Bible, tossing Christians into prisons and sharing cultists ideals believe it or not, will not make the world a better place. Maybe for the self-worshipping types, but no one dares blame the almighty athiests, they are the way to true happiness.

Let’s see – there wouldn’t [i]be [/i]any Satanists without the Bible, so there’s one down.

Pedophiles? Most seem to be religious fanatics, like Catholic priests and Muslim imams.

Gays? Well, yes, they’ve been badly abused by the Bible, and I think it should be tossed for that reason as well. (Thank you for admitting that.)

Corrupt politicians? The vast majority in this country have been Christian.

Mafia? The Italian one is very Christian, as we saw in “The Godfather” movies.

Communists? I have no interest in that at all, but I believe they claimed that Jesus was one in order to give their cult legitimacy.

Blackwater? Have you canvassed all those involved to find out what religion they were? Probably Christian. Did they have those nifty Bible passages in their rifle scopes? Ditto with the military industrial complex.

“Lucifer” is a biblical construct. The original word simply means “light bearer,” nothing diabolical about it. Just an old mythical figure – called “Eosphoros” or “dawn-bearer” in Greek. Just a natural phenomenon, nothing sinister. The Christian cultus with its myths has made it something else. Without Christianity, there are no sinister “luciferians” lurking around. Just evil people as usual, plenty of which can be found in Christ’s Church as well.

“As the prophecies have foretold, soon mankind will be cleansed from the earth.”

No, as the biblical propaganda has set into motion, like a blueprint being followed, human beings will kill themselves off because of the brainwashing found in texts like the Bible.

Dear Acharya S,I quite agree with your stance.One point I would like to bring to your attention is this:I have noticed from a study of history, both ancient and modern, that cultures (and by extension civilizations) act out their personal myths. Comparisons of, e.g., the histories of Rome, India and Persia show that the historical crises that transform or bring them down follow an paradigmatic pattern deeply embedded in the myths by which they define themselves. The monotheistic obsession with the End, with all its psychological implicits, suggests a far from happy future for our suffering planet: the political co-option of this impulse is, imho, cause for serious concern by any clear-thinking person.On a brighter note, as no people survive the death of their religion, continued rational criticism of the latter will ultimately resolve the problem. Besides, when no profit can be made from religious adherence, the majority will abandon it, and only the wounded, inadequate and stupid will follow it. And when such press their claims they will be seen for what they are, and treated accordingly. Being a Limey, I can assure you that this is true of Satanic Yurp!Yours Z.

The New BibleExcellent article Acharya. Reading this, I happened upon a great revelation.

I know that all Christians, scholars, believers, non-believers…in fact, everyone in the world cannot argue the one fact about the Bible that is irrefutable. And that is…

…human beings wrote words on parchment with ink, and those parchments became the Bible.

Let’s recap…human beings like you and me wrote this book. Inspired by an invisible entity or not, the fact is that they were just like us. Humans.

So, I figured why not let every human being in the world have an outlet to write their own “inspired” scriptures. Let’s call them ‘forums’, ‘blogs’, ‘tweets’ and let us build massive social networking databases where like-minded humans can interact and share their thoughts and writings with others. This shall be the Bible for the modern human, where one can search dynamically through millions of words of wisdom from humans throughout the ages from all walks of life. Sound like a great idea?

The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously. We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity. We can produce new “scriptures”

sure- who do you suppose should write the new scriptures? Dick Cheney can write on decency….. Clinton, Edwards, and all the other cheaters could add on morality…. George Bush could write a chapter on intelligence, and maybe the federal reserve, rat boy tim geithner and the good ol boys at goldman sachs could teach us all a lesson on humanity.

maybe, just maybe if some of the doubters could clear their heads of all the crap and materialism we are fed from the day we are born, the truth would be easier to understand. put away your computer and read the bible till you understand the book well enough to give an oppinion about it….. in the end non believers will find themselves in the “circular file” and i won’t be able to give you any more excellent advice then!

the bible is a tool u cant blame blame a tool for MAN inhumanityMAN kill not the gun he is holding in hes hands, MANthat same gun can be used to save lifes if the MAN holding it choose to do sothe gun is no way responsible for the way it is used in and have no free will

I am godless and proud of itThe bible is fictional book and all the characters in are fictional.If you want to believe in Bible then your “all loving God” was the biggest mass murderer as he wiped life on this planet by flood and some other disasters.

STUPID CLAIMS!“Even this biblical “history” is so slanted that, on the few instances where it has been confirmed by external sources…” Again, making broad claims that are baseless. I’m sorry, but you truly DON’T know what you’re talking about, and anyone who would buy your books would be throwing away their money. I hate to be the one to inform you, but history in the Bible has been confirmed many, many times. In point of fact, EVERY attempt to disprove Biblical claims has been frustrated! Do me a favor, you made the claim, so PROVE it! Find me just one instance in archaeological or secular history where something the Bible claimed was proven false! JUST ONE!

Wrong Again“What is “pathetic” is that you apparently are unaware that the Torah is part of the Bible, being either the Pentateuch or the entire Old Testament itself.” WRONG! The Torah is INCLUDED in the Bible, but the Torah itself is a wholly separate book. The Jews do not adhere to “The Bible”, accepting the Torah alone as God’s word.

I see, another excuse for you to vent your repressed anger and hatred at me. Again, another example of what Bibliolatry does to a person.

You have not made any meaningful distinction in your transparent attempt to one-up me.

Perhaps you should tell the reader above whom I was addressing, who had believed that in discussing “the Bible” I was not ignoring the Torah, when in fact, as you say here, “the Torah is INCLUDED in the Bible.” You have proved my point, although in your vitriol you are clearly attempting otherwise.

Why are you so angry and hostile? Does a book really need your defense to the point where you must become violent against another human being?

[b]This is precisely the point of my post – the Bible makes people behave badly. Every defender of the Bible here has pretty much proved that point, in fact.[/b]

From this thread, one could conclude that Bible-thumpers are very nasty cultists who will viciously attack anyone who dares to question their cult.

Typical Wimpy Intellectual Wannabe ArgumentsWhat’s wrong, Mommy and Daddy send you to Catholic school and the nun’s treat you bad so you wanna get back at the big, bad bible?

It’s easy for the psuedo-intellectuals like you to want to rebel and take your jabs at the modern day Judeo-Christian religions. They are toothless and defenseless. The believers have been so brow-beaten for so long that they have come to believe that their role in this world is to be a punching bag for people like you as you attack their belief systems.

What I do find amazing is that in all the bible bashers, I see very, very few that are eager to attack Muslims and the Koran. This is a religion and a people that have made it very clear that they will not tolerate criticism. In your own points you say that Christianity killed 250MM but Islam has killed 270MM…so that gives them a close second? If that’s the actually body count, they have actually won the gold medal. But let’s move past that and get on with bashing the easier religion to criticize.

Unfortnately I guess tackling Islam and the Koran is a bit too dangerous for tough guys like you. So go keep tearing down and trying to bully a religion that won’t stand up for itself. Keep kicking on grandma because of your personal issues while the thugs down the street are making it very clear they want to own you and your neighborhood.

Maybe someday you will get your wish and it will be gone. Sure hope you like what fills the void.

Here we go again. I’m sorry , but no amount of insults is going to make me accept your cultic worldview!

But thanks again for yet another example of how Bibliolatry makes people antisocial, hateful and nasty.

Another validation for tossing the Bible in the trash.

Also, you obviously have not even looked around this website much before you decided that you know all about me enough to write an endless spew of insults.

If you had bothered to look around before ranting irrationally and erroneously, you would have seen that I criticize Islam and the Koran quite sharply ([url]http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-8327295676949120%3Amhpw8h-4urf&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=islam&sa=Search&siteurl=freethoughtnation.com%2F[/url]) – and that the behavior of Bible-defenders is little different than that of the commenters in my Islam-criticizing posts. Both groups respond in an irrational, violent, kneejerk manner devoid of honesty that attempts to smear, libel, bully and terrorize nonbelievers into submission.

You say that the Judeo-Christian cultus has “lost its teeth” – so I assume that it had teeth previously, in fact these teeth were apparently as sharp as those of Islam, according to your implications here. In other words, the Judeo-Christian cultus was at one point very dangerous and frightening, confirming precisely why someone like me would criticize it.

Moreover, as a scholar of pre-Christian religion and mythology, including the long period of goddess worship, I am not prone to accepting the injustice caused by the transition from the goddess cultus to the god cultus, as especially highlighted in the bloody, misogynistic history of the Judeo-Christian religion. In this regard, the Abrahamic faiths have been one long period of sexist theology and misogyny.

I will never allow bullying, insults and threats make me forget what the Abrahamic religions truly signify, which was the creation of a male-dominant cult that has wreaked tremendous havoc and atrocity across the world.

Acharya –Perhaps you can could quote your sources for the name calling and ridicule you represent in your numbers and opinions. If you take the time to read Proverbs 31 in the Bible you will see women held in the highest regard. And in a time when women WERE held in low esteem and were not even spoken to by men in public, Jesus conversed with the woman by the well, demonstrating His respect for her in spite of the customs of the time. It is wildly prejudiced intolerant and unfounded statements like yours that lead to many problems. Quote one instance in the New Testament of the Bible where ANY violence is advocated. Jesus is the basis for Christianity. He was tough on hypocrites but never promoted violence. Wars are started by men, many in the name of religion, but none that are based in anything read in the Bible but rather from the misguided hearts of people who misrepresent and misinterpret the Bible. There are however, OTHER religions which demand either a conversion of infidels, or their murder. How do you react to documented religious instructions like those?

[i]”Jonathan Swift is reputed to have observed, .. ‘You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into in the first place.’ [/i]

Isnt that the truth about believers.

He goes on:

[i]So, if science is taught as just a collection of (assumed-to-be) facts, it is nothing but dogma. Dogma stoutly resists subsequent displacement by reason.” “It seems that anything people have learned prior to puberty takes on the status of an immutable truth (this is something well understood by parents, governments, and religions). Rational explanations of why some previous belief might be incompatible with the behavior of nature, and a careful explanation of the actual behavior of nature, are of little avail.”[/i]

I’ve been thinking about this too and reached the same conclusion. It is much deeper than the author has gone. Though I don’t know much about other religions , I know Christianity is a hoax.

Christianity was cobbled together by the Roman Empeoror Constantine to reinvigorate the empire by eliminating the thousands of religions that had sprung up questioning the creed that Rome was the end all and be all of the world, justified in exploiting everyone else, and forcing them into one catholic (universal) religion.

The bible is a collection of “the best” religious writings in 325 AD. All the other religious writings were destroyed in a “book burning” to prevent people from returning to or practicing their previous religions.

The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.” (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)

Bible?As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord. There IS a “Heaven” and there IS a “HELL”. GOD said “I AM”. The fool in his heart says there is no God. I have a “personal relationship” with God through the Spirit of Jesus Christ who is “IN” me (Col. 1:27) so I KNOW my Heavenly Father and HE knows me. If anyone aks God to reveal Himself to them, HE WILL. “Ye have not because ye ask not; or ye ask amiss”. Phil. 4: 6,7 gives me His Peace. I have ETERNAL LIFE in Christ Jesus. The “unbeliever” has eternal life, too, but Eternity for the unbeliever will be in a Burning Lake of Fire.

Besides, life on earth is merely “existing” until one has Christ in him, for Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. I have lived both ways and I am happiest since I have been Baptised in the Holy Spirit of God. I PRAISE YOUR HOLY NAME, FATHER, and I THANK YOU.

If you only knewLong before this article was written, there was a war on the church and this article clearly shows the attitude of someone that doesnt seem to be aware of its contents. But in throwing out the contents did the author of this article actually read the bible or is he taking out certain parts to strengthen his warped point of view.I agree we live in a free country and I have to allow the right of someone to have an opinion.However:Most war in this world over the last generation at least are the works of satanists who not only profit from the demise of others but also make strides towards the ultimate goal of killing off most of the population. So easily we blame God, the whole time satan deceives us and even has people come to his aid blaming God for his crimes. If he did not have puppets like this author there would be no deception. If you only opened your eyes you would see the signs of satan all around you and they have been there for generations. The satanic hand signs of all world leaders, the false flag operations, and the DEATH! Not caused by God but caused by arrogant, greedy people that have their own agenda.If your dumb enough to believe there are weapons of mass destruction, your dumb enough to throw out the bible because of the opinion of one small minded person, who probably is part of the war on the church.

TO MANFor God so loved the World, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 I pray for those who read this and take heed…… God is Love…Peace be with you… Every Knee shall bow to the LORD JESUS, and EVERY tounge will confess to GOD. AMEN … READ GOD’s WORD, THE BIBLE…. PULL it FROM YOUR TRASH, IT WILL SAVE YOUR VERY SOUL….. REMEMBER IT is YOUR Choice… YES and YOU WILL be HEld Accountable for all YOU DO Or Don’t DO …….May GOD BLESS YOU in the DAys to come. AMEN…

The bible and other religious holy books are nothing more than blatant discrimination and hatred against others who don’t look the same, believe the same or just see no reason for believing at all. These religious holy books hold humanity back from its full potential.

That’s some strange loveYou mean the same story that had a man marry a woman knowing she was pregnant with someone else’s baby, and then had that son killed? That doesn’t sound very peaceful. Sitting back and letting someone else get your wife pregnant is also a very strange version of love. What about the rapes, ordering fathers to kill their children, treating women like slaves? Here we go with more cherry picking. Here’s a little exercise for you. Get a new Bible and highlighter. Go through the book highlighting all instances of violence, both physically and mentally that Christianity supports in the Bible and see what’s left. It won’t be much. And who’s accountable for that and for still supporting it today?

Bible not at faulti’m trying to figure how you can blame something you don’t and won’t understand on your own ..you don’t simply understand the Bible by reading it … What? ..that’s what i said …the understanding comes from the Holy Spirit ..no man teaches 1 John 2:27..this is a time of great deception ..a falling away from the truth ..this has all been predicted to happen from the very words you call trash ..millions and millions of people are about to die from a plan ..an agenda from evil men that don’t follow the Bible ..war ..famine..all this is brought on by greed and what you call trash warns against the love of money

Bible body countFor those questioning the Bible body count, it’s impossible to say for sure, but plenty. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? There’s just no way to count them all but it would be a bunch if the stories were true.

But according to the Bible, it tells exactly how many were killed by God. Here’s a list of those available

a rough total of 2,270,971 (not including, at least in some cases, women and children).

Lot’s wife for looking back 1Er who was “wicked in the sight of the Lord” 1Onan for spilling his seed 1Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) 601+For dancing naked around Aaron’s golden calf 3000Aaron’s sons for offering strange fire before the Lord 2A blasphemer 1A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath 1Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) 12+Burned to death for offering incense 250For complaining 14,700For “committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab” 24,000Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) 90,000+God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. 5+God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). 12,000Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees 5God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites 10,000Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king’s belly 1God delivered Moabites 10,000God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. 120,000The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson 30The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson 1000Samson’s God-assisted act of terrorism 3000“The Lord smote Benjamin” 25,100More Benjamites 25,000For looking into the ark of the Lord 50,070God delivered Philistines 20Samuel (at God’s command) hacks Agag to death 1“The Lord smote Nabal.” 1Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 1David and Bathsheba’s baby boy 1Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 7From plague as punishment for David’s census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 70,000+A prophet for believing another prophet’s lie 1God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites’ hands 100,000God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 27,000God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 1Burned to death by God 102God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head 42Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 1Jezebel 1God sent lions to kill “some” foreigners 3+Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 185,000Saul 1God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 500,000Jeroboam 1“The Lord smote the Ethiopians.” 1,000,000God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 1Ezekiel’s wife 1Ananias and Sapphira 2Herod 1

Actually, Stalin was raised a Christian ([url]http://www.examiner.com/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~y2009m9d17-Is-atheism-the-answer-Part-3[/url]), Russian Orthodox, and his father was supposedly a priest. In fact, there’s a good case to be made that Stalin’s anti-religious behavior was a reaction to the abuses he endured at the hands of Christianity.

“Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door will opened up to you.” I amazes me how narrow or carnal minded the human species is. Humans are made up of both flesh and Spirit. It’s our “Spirit” or soul that separates us from the other species. Do you think a dog is aware of where he is or the danger he is in when sitting a top a rocket? That awareness or consciousness is the image God created, not flesh. It’s not about religion or even the physical words in the Bible. It’s what the Bible says to your “Spirit” that is important. Each of us get a different message from it based on where we are in our spiritual journey. I spent a better part of my life seeking happiness through the trappings of our physical world. It led me nowhere but to destruction. When I realized I was “seeking” answers to happiness through the wrong means, I turned to God. God showed me that the path to true happiness is learning to Love. God and love are one in the same. I have read your writings for several years now and to be honest, I don’t agree with anything you say. That said, I am not here to pass judgement on you as once I do that, I open myself up to be judged. You have every right to believe what you do based on God’s decision to give us free will. Free will was given in order to help us learn and to find our soul. Without free will, we would indeed be mindless creatures. Like the Pharisee’s of Jesus time, you seek “proof” or validity to the written Word. I say that it’s by design that little physical proof is offered. That way, we can use our free will or “faith” to find what our soul truly desires and lacks. I would like to issue a challenge to you. I can only assume there is someone in your life that you truly love. Someone that you would sacrifice all your worldly possessions to save. Someone you would lay down your life for. So with that, PROVE to me that love. Prove to me you love that person. My guess is there is nothing physical or of substance you can provide that can offer me proof of that love. That is where our faith comes in. Faith by definition is a belief in things we hope for and knowing something is real even though it is not seen. If you tell me you truly do have someone in your life you love, I would believe you based on that. The real deceit here is relying solely on what our physical eyes see and our physical ears hear as the basis for our existence.

The words “carnal mind” are a derogation designed to set the person who is speaking in a position of superiority. You are simply uncritically and uncreatively repeating a mentality, attitude and prejudice based on the Bible.

I am glad you have found what you are seeking as you do seem to be at peace. I am afraid you are wrong on your comments to me. You use my “Carnal mind” comment here to confuse. Websters defines it: “Carnal–pertaining to or characterized by the flesh or the body, its passions and appetites; sensual: carnal pleasures. 2.not spiritual; merely human; temporal; worldly: a man of secular, rather carnal, leanings. fraid you are wrong.

What I am repeating is neither prejudice or uncreativity based on the Bible. I am merely stating our being is made up both of flesh (carnal) and spirit (god). The Bible helps open our spirit to seek communion with our Creator. Thinking carnally and taking every word and every story literally blocks our ability to “see and hear” what the text is saying to our spirit. BTW–You never commented on whether you can prove love-:-) God or Godess do be blessed.

blind obedience is greatly disturbing 😮 I have a sincere question for you great mind (I’m being very sincere) When any fundamentalist regardless of religious affilation starts spewing out their ignorance,fear, and righteous rage..maybe you can ask them..why if their god gave them all free will and unconditional love..on all (his) creations…why would there be any reason to have a hell..burning..torment…foreva and eva?..and why would this creator need a child to be sacrificed..and then turned into a messianic example…of love forgiveness…titleship..and hell again for those whom he deeply loves..yet is ready to punish you for excercising true free will??? And why does their god need money? need worship..need anything if its already perfect? Does perfection not require anything in order to sustain its-self?? Besides this patriarchal horsh*t is getting..old..plz remind them that god-satan-savior-and even nuetered angels are always male!!!..Thank you for your website..I’ve turned many on to it..and lol Im in Georgia..the arpit of the biblebelt south…Keep up the awesome work sister

Thank you for your kind regards. These are all good, rhetorical questions. Although many religious ideas derive from logical conclusions, frequently revolving around the natural world, religious fanaticism based is not logical, rational or sane. Religious fanaticism is in itself a mental illness.

to you God hatersfirst of all the millions upon millions of people killed as you all state was done by evil men and their religious beliefs not done because of the Bible.. as a matter of fact the Bible has nothing to do with organized religion! you can believe whatever makes you feel good… but nothing will change the fact that the Bible is the Word of God and is saving people’s souls and changing peoples lifes… this is because it shows mankind the Way Truth and Life Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour-Mankinds only Hope!!It is a fact that most don’t have a clue of History especially Old Testament times if you knew there were giants in those days due to the rebellion of the Lucifer & fallen angels you might understand why some things happened the way they did read Genesis 6 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

[b]4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown[/b]

if you want to believe your a damn monkey go on ahead and put your trust in yourself or into your fellow man and earn your just reward that is coming certain death! The New World Order is coming for you!… I mean seriously you God hating fools are pathetic! 😉

re: Atheist[quote name=”mon”]Did theist approved of the killings of hundreds of millions of people by stalin, mao, polpot and others like them? did you noticed that they are all atheist?[/quote]

So what if they were Atheists, that just means they have only one excuse…Insanity. So what are the excuses of the Christian, and Islam murderers?Oh yeah…Religion. So that brings us back to…..Religion has no place in the functioning of society. I mean yes some can use it to teach morales, and values, but like Santa…somethings gotta give. Personally the morals and values of today require the family, friends and peers of the individual, not a book of biased fairy tales.

Shall we burn all the books now. Where did you come up with your numbers? You must have gathered your data from those who estimated the numbers of dead during WW2. Even if you believe the Bible to be a myth. It is the myth that taught Northern Europe how to read and write. Christianity is the only religion that encouraged EVERyONE to read!!! But Christianity is the religion of the Blue Eye white man. Everybody knows that it is ok to talk sh*t about us mean ole white guys. I am sure your next article will be about how the Blue eye’d Devil is the woes of the whole planet. Get a life, I know plenty of people who do not believe in GOD. They still embrace their heritage by celebrating Christmas, Easter, Good Friday. They and I know that by throwing away or burning books just leads to ignorance. And yes the fellow who commented on Russia was correct, the atheist killed more people in the last century then the Christians did.

occultic 20th century death machine“Modern society is far ahead of the Stone Age technology and mentality found in the Bible”

I don’t agree with that above statement at all in regards to 20th century wars.

All those 20th century wars and deaths were caused by the Talmudic/freemasonic/occultic/luciferian elite’s government influence and funny money. I dont recall WW1 and WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq etc. being overtly about exoteric ‘monotheistic’ religions.

How do you explain the the technology to move the stones of the pyramids? Modern technology cannot explain, nor do it. Actually the pyramids probably pre-date the time of the writings of the bible by ten thousand years according to some archeologists.

Then throw the other books awayIf we toss out the Bible, then throw out the Quran and all the other “scriptures” with it that cause bloodshed. History has shown that religion has served as a convenient excuse for bloodshed all over the globe.

But the [i]most [/i] blood has been shed in the mid-east area. Why? Although having a far less dense population than India or China, the [u]mid-east seems to have the most religious fanatics with the least tolerance for other faiths[/u]. The founder of Islam was no better than anyone else. Mohammed and his armies killed large numbers of people in 66 cities that didn’t want to submit and convert. Forced religion clearly shows he was just a cultist. Just like Jim Jones of Guyana but on a much bigger genocidal scale.

Yet the Bible is so awful it needs to be thrown out?At what point does society realize that without values and morals, we are no better than primates living in trees. If you think monkeys and chimps are “quiet and peaceful animals” – think again. Without laws, morals, values and structure there would be no technology, medicine, science or industry. We would still be living in caves, making grunting noises without a language and throwing rocks at each other.

Yea….OK Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is whacky !The Bible says you don’t charge interest on loans and all loans are forgiven in 7 years. The Bible says never answer a fool according to his folly lest he become wise in his own eyes,yet I am answering you and putting myself at risk of making you wise in your own eyes. All it seems you know is the Bible AS SEEN ON TV and apparently have no clue. Read the Underground History of Education by John Taylor Gatto which is the history of COMPULSORY schooling,and maybe have a look at the 1895 Salinas Kansas 8th grade test to see how you have been made stupid.I bet you can’t pass an 8th grade test pre compulsory state schooling. Oh yes the Bible is terrible hahaha That’s why they killed Tyndale and Wycliffe for making it available to the common people. A stupid person needs to point the finger at SOMETHING to blame the ill’s of the world on don’t they? May as well be something you don’t understand ! That’s called ignorance,in an ignor-trance. You’re goofy aand are talking out of your arse. The Bible is written to be esoteric,and exoteric. All you know of it is the exoteric. Pffffft ! 2 U ! and LOL

Well, I’d like to have an intelligent conversation about the Word of YAHUVEH, but I can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.The Bible is just the excuse used to murder millions of people. Oh, btw GOD did NOT create the Earth void and without form. Can’t really blame you though, 99% of those professed Christians do not know how to interpret the Bible either.

Instead of throwing the Bible away, you should try reading it. Specifically the New Testament, which states Love your neighbor as you love yourself. No where in the New Testament does it say kill in the name of God. Saying throw the Bible away is like saying throw your guns away— Its people that kill not guns or the Bible.

[quote]”Ever since Christ’s death, many Christians have been expecting the second coming in their immediate future. Most believe that Christ will not actually land or stay on earth at this time; the “real” second coming will occur later, when he returns on a horse leading an army on horseback who will exterminate one third of the earth’s population in a massive genocide. It will be numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history.”

Eventually 2/3rds of the human population i.e. NON-believers are to be wiped out according to the last book in the New Testament, Revelation.

And 44% of Christians are looking forward to this as a glorious time. Even the religious tolerance website says, “It will be numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history.”

So, preaching that the New Testament is any sort of improvement from the Old testament is just fantasy. The NT starts off with the crucifixion of Gods only son as a human sacrifice and gets worse from there.

I’ve got news for you Jon, we HAVE read the bible – ALL of it very carefully. [b]Acharya reads it in its ORIGINAL LANGUAGES[/b] too. And THAT is why we know humanity would be far better off with ALL of the Abrahamic holy books tossed in the trash.

The Bible is not “Christians” and the Koran is not “Muslims,” so no one here is picking on any Christians or Muslims. But plenty of Christians here are being abusive.

Who are the “anti-Semites” of whom you speak? Fellow Bibliolaters who are spewing about Jews and the Talmud?

But thanks for telling them that the Old Testament is the Torah, which they don’t seem to know. In other words, they don’t seem to understand that the book they are so vehemently defending, to the point where they are personally attack others they know nothing about – exactly what has led armies of Christians to march off to war – was written by Jews, whom they otherwise disparage.

Acharya, i love your response to Robert Gamboe’s post. It amazes me how Gamboe claims you don’t have your facts straight, when his are just plain wrong. How does Gamboe claim that archaeology has confirmed the bible? In what way? Christian and Jewish religious leaders have, time and time again, denied archaeologists to explore these “holy regions”. Why? Possibly for fear of them discovering none of it actually happened.

Acharya, you are a true heroine for speaking out on these myths which have controlled people for so long. Gamboe is all wet!

So, you have obviously been conditioned not to believe them, or maybe you have conditioned yourself. Anyway, you are free to believe how you want (you’re going to love this next line) because God (oops, I mean the higher power/ prime creator/evolutionary master/evolution/ pollywog you came from) gave you the freedom to do so! He is so cool. Oh yes I love my wife and am willing to die for her…learned that from the Bible.

err, doug what about Christians or Muslims or their holy books give you any indication of real freedom? Freedom also includes the freedom [b]NOT TO BELIEVE[/b] That is not any option and just shows you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. You’re just proselytizing in utter blind faith & euphoria – and helping Acharya make her case.

Do these quotes from the New Testament and Christian leaders sound like freedom?

1 John 4:2-3 Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.

2 John 7: “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, men who will not acknowledge the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh…”

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no god.’ they are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none that does good.

Acharya S. You are a disgrace to humanity for writing this filth. You are a false prophet and you wish to contaminate others by spreading such blasphemy. I am not a Bible thumper, but I believe in doing the right thing. I have never read the Bible cover to cover, but there are many important lessons taught about ethics and morality within its pages. You obviously don’t have any morals what so ever considering that you’ve thrown such a valuable book in the garbage. Your a piece of garbage. Hope is what humanity relies on to keep going in a world of insanity and growing darkness. People have literally saved themselves from suicide by reading the knowledge of these so called “myths” you claim. You are lost Acharya S. The bible might not be your answer, but don’t douse others hopes to bits on account of your ignorance.

Here we go again. Thank you for proving that Bibliolatry makes people incredibly vicious and hateful towards others about whom they know next to nothing. It is only one short step to crusades where you can then behead those standing in front of you because they are not Bible-worshippers.

If you are not a Bible-thumper, why on Earth would you go into someone else’s website and says such despicable things to them? Do you do that to other human beings you know?

I’m sorry, but, again, no amount of hate speech is going to get me to accept this nasty book full of perversion and violence that causes people to behave as you have just done. What you have done is in my book so antisocial that [i]it [/i]is blasphemy.

One more ugly example of why we should throw the Bible in the trash.

I hope that others here are being encouraged by my example not to let the Bible bullies badger you into their nasty and hateful cult.

never said I was a ChristianAs a High Priestess I have the right to worship as I see fit. I go by no religious handle. All scripture is written to show the corrupt flesh the way of the spirit. Since the spirit is the unseen, working in the background of the seen, it is easy to discount it and say there is no empirical data to justify belief in it. That is where faith comes in. Faith is believing in the nothing that has created the something, or the one thing of the everything. We call this principal of creation God. That some have experienced the epiphany of direct contact with the nothing between the everything has caused many a living breathing entity to write down the truths of these epiphanies.

Not that you would understand, as you can only allow yourself to think in a linear fashion. Those who understand the spirit see in all 9 directions. The empircal data of the corporeal is linear and this is how you have limited yourself.. You can only recite the obvious, skin deep evidence.

Those who refute the spirit have cut themselves off from it. This is the Luciferian idea of the new world order.

We only need look at Bill Marher who also refutes the spirit. Religous text was written so that the sons of men could understand why the law was so important to uphold and believe in. Without the law there is total anarchy. We see that every government on earth today is corrupt. The rebellious against the spirit are really anarchists, and they rail against the spirit which is the letter of the law.

The writer of this article is telling you to trash the Bible because in it resides the law. The rebellious hate the law because it has never allowed them to fully control the earth. The rebellious have used religion against the minions. We see that the writer here will remark on the inquisition, but say nothing about England’s attempt to terrorize and control the whole landmass of the earth. The worst conspirators against the cross and against the earth have been the inhabitants of Angelland. England. Why was it called Angel Land, because that is where the Nephilim entered this earthly realm and raped the daughters of men. The English have always believed they are superior to all indigenous peoples the world over. They are the reptilian race who have tried to lord it over every tribe on the planet. It hasn’t been Christians who have perpetrated murder and tyranny it has been the marauding hordes of Brits who have brought their rebellion and hatred of the sons of men to the rest of the world.

The writer of this article is in rebellion, and will spew forth hatred and ignorance against the spirit, and try to blame murder and tyranny against the book that tried to stop the tyranny of the patriarchal system and the murder and control the ruling bloodlines forced upon the inhabitants of the earth.

If you read the good book and Exodus, the law was created to save the sons of the habiru (mixed multitudes) against the tyranny of the ruling bloodlines created by the Nephilim, or fallen angels as they incarnated on their Island and made their way around the globe to attack and kill all indigenous peoples and spread their ‘law’ which was the tyranny of the ruling bloodline of Angel land.

And when their lord and Master, Satan was imprisoned in the 27th aether, their high Priest, Aliester Crowley released this angel of the lesser light from his prison and unleashed the flash bang onto the earth.

This is what the rebellious believe in, the power to destroy anyone who does not follow them, or believe in them.

The writer of this article sits and tries to refute the existence of the spirit and would rather kneel and give obeisance to her Magesty, and her power, the nuclear war head.

So the writer of this bs, will tell you that your book is a lie, or all scripture is a lie, because they have thrust the law of god asunder and bow down to the angel of the lesser light.

Remember that Rome destroyed the power of the Anglicans, they went into England and destroyed their heresy, then by the sword forced them to respect the spirit. The corrupt flesh of the fallen angels perverted the spirit and now they pervert the law.

Satan has come down to you, knowing he has but a short time.

So Satan’s minions are out in full force, trying to subvert the law, and the spirit of that law. Remember as you read this drivel, no one race has slaughtered and killed more people on this earth, from North America to South America, to New Zealand, and Austrailia and Africa then the British who sought to conquer and control all of the earth..remember the sun never set on the British empire…. This is not an accusation, these is the cold hard facts. Ok Acharaya S. The ball is in your court. Let’s see you refute this.

Like any other bronze and iron age text, the Babble should be read as a contemporaneous compilation of cultural understandings–one subject to the same distortions and problems of transmission as any other text. Whether such texts have any direct relevance now is another matter. Anachronistic readings of these texts abound, so it seems only sensible to relegate them either to specialists, or read them contextually.

Ignorance doesn’t discriminate it can hit everybodHuman ego is such a funny thing. Nobody ever wants to be “wrong” so they always find a way to justify what they do, say, or think is right. Most people are taking this as a challenge on what they believe in and some are responding like ignorant little school children while others are tackling it like a college project without looking over the whole assignment before thinking and opening their mouths.

but hey, “if you’re wrong then I must be right”. Thats the human way…

Just because your numbers don’t match the writers it doesn’t mean that everything she says is completely wrong. Doesn’t make her right either but everyone I’ve seen that has challenged her numbers base their whole argument and assumption on numbers alone.

Let’s ignore the numbers and put this into simple terms for all the simple minds out there that don’t get it:

I don’t see the writer condemning faith or God yet most of the mental midgets on here attack her like she’s saying that.

The main point I see she’s saying that everybody is dodging because they think their whole belief system is challenged if they address it:

The Bible was WRITTEN by MAN.Not one single person out there can challenge that FACT.

Before you start arguing “but it’s the word of God”,It’s the word of God INTERPRETED by MAN.And if you believe everything it says then you should open your eyes to what that means because it does say:

Man is fallible,Man is inherently evil and with sinThe devil can quote God’s word when it suits him

God’s own word says you SHOULD question what is written in His name on or done on His behalf by MAN and not BLINDLY believe everything.

There is both good and bad things in the Bible, enough for everyone to argue their own opinion and back it up with something somewhere in the Bible. It’s because of this and the fact that people fight and make war over their interpretation that they take from the book that the writer suggest’s throwing it away.

I think everyone who believes in God should also know the basics that God is Love and if you know that, then that is all you really need and you can live without the book.

time is shortFunny thing about religion. The Ideals set forth in the pages are Ideals by which to obide. The stories are examples of what happens to those who obide and disobay. As long as people Believe that the path to their eternity must be through their religion then death of other religions will fallow. The Ten comandments Is a set of basic Moral rules. They are interprited and mis interprited the world over to find ways to break down the beliefs of a religion. Ill end with the thought and say this People even as i write now are so worried about what others believe that they dont focus on who they aare or have become. Religious and non religious want to be heard so they feel their ideals are correct. Please take some time away from your computers, books, I pods, cars and other people and take a moment to look at the beauty of the place we live EARTH. Be good humans. Love. LIVE.

Anonymous – time is short, the 10 Commandments are not a list of great morals at all. The first 4 are theological directives that have nothing to do with morals. They fail miserably.

“When you consider that God could have commanded anything he wanted–anything!–the Ten [Commandments] have got to rank as one of the great missed moral opportunities of all time. How different history would have been had he clearly and unmistakably forbidden war, tyranny, taking over other people’s countries, slavery, exploitation of workers, cruelty to children, wife-beating, stoning, treating women–or anyone–as chattel or inferior beings.”

– Katha Pollitt

But I’ll agree with your comment, “take a moment to look at the beauty of the place we live EARTH. Be good humans. Love. LIVE.”

the two words that bother me most: BELIEF & FAITHBelief and faith are almost synonymous. They appear together in all animal thought, though after instinct.Through the many changes this beautiful and wonderful planet has changed; radically at times since ” living life” was first created upon its face, this “living life” has changed; radically at times.

Not forgetting ourselves to be nothing more than just another animal …what may be asked, caused humankind to become so different?

A short-toothed and hairless weakling faced extinction but turned to its last defence…its mind. Being too slow to chase, it trapped, and without lethal teeth, it speared. To turn the cold from its thin skin, it wore other’s, and harnessed fire… And in time… of all animals… it became the most feared.

Humans began to conceptualize and invent…far beyond using a straw to fish for termites or herd salmon to forge on. Had eating from “The Fruit of Wisdom”-of knowing good from evil- caused this? If so; why is that a curse? Could it be that ALL Religions throughout man’s existence has kept his brain in limbo?…believing by faith in whatever the priests and/or other rulers dictate as “fact”?

Faith in our beliefs demand that we accept the dictates of what we’ve been taught to “believe” as fact. After storks delivering the babies and Santa Clause is finally laughed off. the rest is TRUTH…I swear to god. The Immaculate Conception, the Physical Resurrection, Mohammed’s Visions, Oswald being the lone shooter, four large aircraft flown by Muslims into targets without being registered on any flight lists: all and much more, are accepted as fact because we’ve been taught to believe, without fact.

Truth? Bible? you’re kidding right?I keep seeing stuff like this and I cannot believe that you’ve read the Bible. You said “the Bible is truth.5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

why i am not a follower of the jews religionsHere is why I am not a follower of any of the 3 jew religions.

as written by eli savage in the mid 1930’s or 40’s? anyway it is to good not to share with those who need an awakening.

Of course, you do resent us. It is no good telling me you don’t. So let us not waste any time on denials and alibis. You know you do, and I know it, and we understand each other. To be sure, some of your best friends are Jews, and all that. I have heard that before once or twice, I think. And I know, too, that you do not include me personally – “me” being any particular individual Jew – when you fling out at us in your wholesale fashion, because I am, well, so different, don’t you know, almost as good as one of yourselves. That little exemption does not, somehow, move me to gratitude; but never mind that now. It is the aggressive, climbing, pushing, materialistic sort you dislike – those, in a word, who remind you so much of your own up-and-coming brethren. We understand each other perfectly. I don’t hold it against you.

Bless my soul, I do not blame anybody for disliking anybody. The thing that intrigues me about this anti-Jewish business, as you play at it, is your total lack of grit. You are so indirect and roundabout with it, you make such fantastic and transparent excuses, you seem to be suffering from self-consciousness so horribly, that if the performance were not grotesque it would be irritating.

It is not as if you were amateurs: you have been at it for over fifteen centuries. Yet watching you and hearing your childish pretexts one might get the impression that you did not know yourselves what it is all about. You resent us, but you cannot clearly say why. You think up a new excuse – a “reason” is what you call it – every other day. You have been piling up justifications for yourselves these many hundreds of years and each new invention is more laughable than the last and each new excuse contradicts and annihilates the last.

Not so many years ago I used to hear that we were money-grubbers and commercial materialists; now the complaint is being whispered around that no art and no profession is safe against Jewish invasion.

We are, if you are to believed, at once clannish and exclusive and inassimilable because we won’t intermarry with you, and we are also climbers and pushers and a menace to your racial integrity.

Our standard of living is so low that we create your slums and sweated industries, and so high that we crowd you out of your best residential sections.

We shirk our patriotic duty in wartime because we are pacifists by nature and tradition, and we are the arch-plotters of universal wars and the chief beneficiaries of those wars (see the late “Dearborn Independent,” passim, and “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”).

We are at once the founders and leading adherents of capitalism and the chief perpetrators of the rebellion against capitalism.

Surely, history has nothing like us for versatility!

And, oh! I almost forgot the reason of reasons. We are the stiffnecked people who never accepted Christianity, and we are the criminal people who crucified its founder.

But I tell you, you are selfdeceivers. You lack either the selfknowledge or the mettle to face the facts squarely and own up to the truth. You resent the Jew not because, as some of you seem to think, he crucified Jesus but because he gave him birth. Your real quarrel with us is not that we have rejected Christianity but that we have imposed it upon you!

Your loose, contradictory charges against us are not a patch on the blackness of our proved historic offense. You accuse us of stirring up revolution in Moscow. Suppose we admit the charge. What of it? Compared with what Paul the Jew of Tarsus accomplished in Rome, the Russian upheaval is a mere street brawl.

You make much noise and fury about the undue Jewish influence in your theaters and movie palaces. Very good; granted your complaint is well-founded. But what is that compared to our staggering influence in your churches, your schools, your laws and the very thoughts you think every day?

A clumsy Russian forges a set of papers and publishes them in a book called “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” which shows that we plotted to bring on the late World War. You believe that book. All right. For the sake of argument we will underwrite every word of it. It is genuine and authentic. But what is that beside the unquestionable historical conspiracy which we have carried out, which we have never denied because you never had the courage to charge us with it, and of which the full record is extant for anybody to read?

If you really are serious when you talk of Jewish plots, may I not direct your attention to one worth talking about? What use is it wasting words on the alleged control of your public opinion by Jewish financiers, newspaper owners, and movie magnates, when you might as well justly accuse us of the proved control of your whole civilization by the Jewish Gospels?

You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it.

Look back a little and see what has happened. Nineteen hundred years ago you were an innocent, carefree, pagan race. You worshipped countless gods and goddesses, the spirits of the air, of the running streams and of the woodland. You took unblushing pride in the glory of your naked bodies. You carved images of your gods and of the tantalizing human figure. You delighted in the combats of the field, the arena – and the battle-ground. War and slavery were fixed institutions in your systems. Disporting yourselves on the hillsides and in the valleys of the great outdoors, you took to speculating on the wonder and mystery of life and laid the foundations of natural science and philosophy. Yours was a noble, sensual culture, unirked by the prickings of a social conscience or by any sentimental questionings about human equality. Who knows what great and glorious destiny might have been yours if we had left you alone.

But we did not leave you alone. We took you in hand and pulled down the beautiful and generous structure you had reared, and changed the whole course of your history. We conquered you as no empire of yours ever subjugated Africa or Asia. And we did it all without armies, without bullets, without blood or turmoil, without force of any kind. We did it solely by the irresistible might of our spirit, with ideas, with propaganda.

We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the earth, to the countless unborn generations. Without fully understanding what we were doing to you, you became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospel to the unexplored ends of the earth.

Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.

How did we do it? Almost by accident. Two thousand years ago nearly, in far~off Palestine, our religion had fallen into decay and materialism. Money~changers were in possession of the temple. Degenerate, selfish priests mulcted our people and grew fat. Then a young patriot-idealist arose and went about the land calling for a revival of faith. He had no thought of setting up a new church. Like all the prophets before him, his only aim was to purify and revitalize the old creed. He attacked the priests and drove the money-changers from the temple. This brought him into conflict with the established order and its supporting pillars. The Roman authorities, who were in occupation of the country, fearing his revolutionary agitation as a political effort to oust them arrested him, tried him and condemned him to death by crucifixion, a common form of execution at that time.

The followers of Jesus of Nazareth, mainly slaves and poor workmen, in their bereavement and disappointment, turned away from the world and formed themselves into a brotherhood of pacifist non-resisters sharing the memory of their crucified leader and living together communistically. They were merely a new sect in Judea, without power or consequence, neither the first nor the last.

Only after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans did the new creed come into prominence. Then a patriotic Jew named Paul or Saul conceived the idea of humbling the Roman power by destroying the morale of its soldiery with the doctrines of love and non-resistance preached by the little sect of Jewish Christians. He became the Apostle to the Gentiles, he who hitherto had been one of the most active persecutors of the band. And so well did Paul do his work that within four centuries the great empire which had subjugated Palestine along with half of the world, was a heap of ruins. And the law which went forth from Zion became the official religion of Rome.

This was the beginning of our dominance in your world. But it was only a beginning. From this time forth your history is little more than a struggle for mastery between your own old pagan spirit and our Jewish spirit. Half your wars, fought over the interpretation of one thing or another in our teachings. You no sooner broke free from your primitive religious simplicity and attempted the practice of the pagan Roman learning than Luther armed with our gospels arose to down you and reenthrone our heritage. Take the three principal revolutions in modern times – the French, the American and the Russian. What are they but the triumph of the Jewish idea of social, political and economic justice?

And the end is still a long way off. We still dominate you. At this very moment your churches are torn asunder by a civil war between Fundamentalists and Modernists, that is to say between those who cling to our teachings and traditions literally and those who are striving by slow steps to dispossess us. In Dayton, Tennessee, a Bible-bred community forbids the teaching of your science because it conflicts with our ancient Jewish account of the origins of life; and Mr. Bryan, the leader of the anti-Jewish Ku Klux Klan in the Democratic National Convention makes the supreme fight of his life in our behalf, without noticing the contradiction. Again and again the Puritan heritage of Judea breaks out in waves of stage censorship, Sunday blue laws and national prohibition acts. And while these things are happening you twaddle about Jewish influence in the movies!

Is it any wonder you resent us? We have put a clog upon your progress. We have imposed upon you an alien book and an alien faith which you cannot swallow or digest, which is at cross-purposes with your native spirit, which keeps you everlastingly ill-at-ease, and which you lack the spirit either to reject or to accept in full.

In full, of course, you never have accepted our Christian teachings. In your hearts you still are pagans. You still love war and graven images and strife. You still take pride in the glory of the nude human figure. Your social conscience, in spite of all democracy and all your social revolutions, is still a pitifully imperfect thing. We have merely divided your soul, confused your impulses, paralyzed your desires. In the midst of battle you are obliged to kneel down to him who commanded you to turn the other cheek, who said “Resist not evil” and “Blessed are the peacemakers.” In your lust for gain you are suddenly disturbed by a memory from your Sunday-school days about taking no thought for the morrow. In your industrial struggles, when you would smash a strike without compunction, you are suddenly reminded that the poor are blessed and that men are brothers in the Fatherhood of the Lord. And as you are about to yield to temptation, your Jewish training puts a deterrent hand on your shoulder and dashes the brimming cup from your lips. You Christians have never become Christianized. To that extent we have failed with you. But we have forever spoiled the fun of paganism for you.

So why should you not resent us? If we were in your place we should probably dislike you more cordially than you do us. But we should make no bones about telling you why. We should not resort to subterfuges and transparent pretexts. With millions of painfully respectable Jewish shopkeepers all about us we should not insult your intelligence and our own honesty by talking about communism as Jewish philosophy. And with millions of hard-working impecunious Jewish peddlers and laborers we should not make ourselves ridiculous by talking about international capitalism as a Jewish monopoly. No, we should go straight to the point. We should contemplate this confused ineffectual muddle which we call civilization, this half-Christian half-pagan medley, and – were our places reversed – we should say to you point-blank: “For this mess thanks to you, to your prophets, and to your Bible.”

Do Gentiles deserve to be mocked in this way?If more Aryans had GRIT, our race would not be so pathologically terminal, and would never have accepted alien Satan-worship and Judeo-Christian identity. Our Exploiters love to see us cringe, because it justifies their treatment of us as subhumans. Why do we not have as much grit and honesty as Rabbi Ravage? Do our Exploiters censor us because YOU might have more grit too, once you have learned the Truth and to respect the Aryan Soul we were born with?

One of Jesusteachings is to love your enemies. Jesus did not teach religion, nor gave any indication he came to start a new religion. Jesus said there would be two types of people, those who heard his sayings & kept them, and those who heard his sayings & did not keep them.

Of his sayings he taught his original disciples the Kingdom of Heaven is not of the world of man, this world. Religion & man will always try to make things of this world in the categories of Politics, Religion, Business, & Education as your world is based upon money.

The Tribes of this land lived for 1000’s and 1000’s of years without any European system of doing things upon the earth. European systems are the Nation/State upon the earth that began arising long ago with Babylon, & Eygpt & such where those at the top of the Pyramid learned to number & herd people through their systematic Nation/States.

The Tribes of Israel asked God for a King because they envied the other Nations & wanted to be like the other Nations. God told them a King would enslave them, but God knew that in their hearts the Israelites did not want what he wanted for them they just wanted their own vanity & to be like all the other vain Nations they envied. They eventually ended up with the Herod’s and Caesar’s of Rome.

The Freemason’s who founded your Nation of America, if your American stated they patterned their Nation/State after Rome. So eventually the Tribes of this land ended up enslaved by a King/Caesar whether they liked it or not.

Most people of Native Heritage I know just consider your world to be crazy/insane. I’ve personally never met a person of Native heritage that does not believe there isn’t a Creator/God of Creation, but they are stuck in that bit of a time warp of knowing how things were for the Tribes before the Europeans arrived even if things weren’t completely perfect for the Tribes all the time.

I did not learn about Jesus from Europeans. I learned about Jesus because he appeared to me in the sky when I was boy of 10. He was holding a book in his hand. It isn’t my job to judge the human race. I only know everyone will meet Jesus but I do not know the outcome of that meeting for anyone.

I only know when I leave this world I will no longer be living under a European form of Government under their Mammon system they worship. Many prophetic researchers of all races consider your Nation, if America, to be Mystery Babylon in the Book of Revelation.They may be right as the prophecy of Mystery Babylon reads much like the final Hopi prophecy for this land.

I love living with the Hopi on their Rez. I love the Hopi as my friends. I love my enemies, too.

Stop the idiocyThe bible isn’t responsible for any deaths! The men that declare war and death upon other men do so for their own enrichment and power. If any of them used the bible to coerce masses to kill, it was by their hand and name not the bibles.

Men must take onus for what they create. Men create war, the bible does not.

How interestingYou demand substantiation of Acharya’s numbers, yet you invoke in opposition “academically peer reviewed texts that place the number in the low tens of thousands total” without offering a scintilla of proof or reference. Even the Catholic Church openly admit that it was at the very very least millions. Furthermore, even if the figure was as ridiculously low as you say, is tens of thousands savagely tortured and murdered in the name of the Jesus acceptable? How twisted can you get? Picture the scenario of two mass-murderers having an argument: “Hey, man, you’re much worse than me. I only murdered 40 people; you murdered 20,000.” How impressive. I don’t want either within smelling distance of my children.

whoever wrote this is eitehr autistic or dyslexicseriously,is this ebst you got?are youa wrae just in last 100 years,between capitalist and communist nations,half abillion people have perished?your aware of the sheer number of vivtims left dead at hands of secular and atheist governments?just in snactions alone against iraq 1 million children perished….according to united nations,disaster capitalism(by secular-democratic developed nations)1 billion will perish within next years?you judg books for actions of people?yet leave out part where tehse also produced the greatest scholars,revolutionaries,scientists,the wolrd has ever known?course you do your a nihilist,but thats ok i have enws for you,im not christian btw,but know the bolivarian revolution in south america isnt atheist,its actually xian socialist…and btw you are aware neoliberal policies were all drafted by non religious groups?you are aware that usury,exoploitation are directly prohibited in christianity and islam?

TwistedAmazing. I wonder out loud if people who are zealot religionists have a burning need to feel like victims – to feel like they and their icons are hated. You claim that someone “hates” God. So apparently, in the religionists’ gray matter, not believing in the actual existence of an entity (like Santa Claus, the bogeyman, tooth fairy or Jack & Jill) is absorbed by you as “hating” them. This is pathological. I absolutely love Santa Claus, but find it ridiculous that he is a real person. But, according to your twisted philosophy, I guess I hate Santa Claus’ guts. So if you don’t believe in Peter Pan and Tinkerbell, should I assume you hate them with a deep-seated passion?

haven’t we already done that?Hasn’t the society today [i]already[/i] thrown the bible in the trash? Nativity scenes aren’t allowed to be displayed in public, the education system is teaching evolution to our kids, and much more.

[quote]The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously. We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity.[/quote]

Aren’t we already doing this as well? And look at our society now. Do you really think we’re in a better place than we were before? Sure, many have killed in the name of Christianity, but anyone can kill in the name of anything. Back in the days when God was actually a respected authority, of course people would use that to achieve their means, whether it was ethical or not. But since the world today has already thrown the bible down the trash, no one is killing in the name of God anymore. Instead, we declare wars and cause destruction in the name of “freedom”, “human rights”, and all those other supposedly “moral” things. So how is this any different from what people were doing centuries ago?

CondtidioningThe ‘Babble’ is trash which hasn’t been taken to the dump aloong with a lot of other gibberish taken as literal and foremost the conditioning effects of each scam that clever Con-artists continue to pawn off on us. Newer means, along with the older techniques have simply advanced to a higher level of entrainment. People are not taught how to think critically and recognise the techniques of conditioning through more sophisticated fancied up lies and deceptions.

It is exactly through those same con-artists that people are directed to think and act as if they were doing good, in a rational sense. You may have heard this exppression: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Good intentions are not good enough to leave in the hands of those who would abuse your good intentions to make white look black and vice versa. It is up to you, me, each of us to see through these ploys and actually use our innate abilities to reject and do real good through rational thinking to the best of our ability.

We can do it. We just have to reach others to help undo the conditioning and look for genuine solutions to make this world a truly better place to live in. Critical thinking, esp. devoid of true facts deliberately foiled by the gremlins in a pot of confusion is not easy for too many already conditioned people to learn to use. I would like to believe I am not a fatalist in this endeavor to bring about real change at the grassroots level, so the real slick con-artists and deceivers in control will be chopped down in their tracks and never be able to achieve their designs ever again.

The difference will be that an educated critical thinking people with thier wont for truth and freedom will no longer fall for the tricks of the elitest thugs that have reigned and caused havoc throughout the centuries…nay millenia.

Good Article and commentsIt’s good to see so many understand exactly what religion has done to the people of this world. I came out from under the ether a few years ago and rarely come across like minded people.

If any of you have come from religious backgrounds and bought into it, then you know how difficult it can be to just learn the truth. Conditioned was the right word, I remember instantly dismissing anyone that wasn’t a Christian as “lost” or “evil”, and this was absolutely reinforced by everyone involved. People seem to take pride in remaining ignorant and helpless to some “Big Daddy” in the sky. The worst phrase I can hear is “It’s in the Lord’s hands now’, to me it’s such a complete cop out and releases you of any responsibility.

To me, people that use bible quotes to “prove” their points don’t realize just how ridiculous it is to those that don’t believe in it. I think one of the reasons they seem so hateful and judgmental is because deep down they have doubts and mostly FEARS, and they don’t have the courage to accept the truth maybe are just a little jealous of those that have broken free.

I believe “God” exists in the form of a higher conscience that we all contribute to creating.

bible The Bible has killed no one. That is what people do when they don’t read it. The NEW TESTAMENT IS THE COVENANT, forget the old testament. I bet I could write a book on how to love your neighbor and some people would call it a “hate” book, some people would kill over it- why…? because they are stupid, and you can’t fix that. heh! I’ve been around a long time and I’ve seen fewer and fewer people read the bible and abandon it and along with that, there is far less “good” people now days. They are selfish, disrespectful, lack morals and think that earthly treasures are more important than eternal treasures. Yes, I have seen hateful Christians (if that’s what you want to label them) that judge, are critical and overbearing to their neighbors, but remember they got that from someone else- perhaps a dumb preacher who knows little about the truth in the Bible. What is the truth…? We will all find out when we knock on deaths door. For me I believe in Christ for reasons few have or ever will experience. When evil gets a hold of you, you can’t see and you won’t listen because the truth hurts. Love is the message Jesus was trying to convey- simply Love for all. If that were listened to- there would be peace in the world. Now- go ahead, some one, I know your going to say how wrong I am, but it won’t budge me. I’ve never seen anyone on a comment section as this, change their mind or turn in another direction, so in reality I have wasted my time. But I always try anyway….

re: [quote name=”Terry D’Ostroph”]Well, I’d like to have an intelligent conversation about the Word of YAHUVEH, but I can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.The Bible is just the excuse used to murder millions of people. Oh, btw GOD did NOT create the Earth void and without form. Can’t really blame you though, 99% of those professed Christians do not know how to interpret the Bible either.[/quote]

Come on, Terry. Either you know better or haven’t listened to them. They ALL know how to interpret it. Just ask them. And all those other Christians have been getting it wrong for the last 2000 years.

But thankfully, we now have hundreds of Christianities who have correctly interpreted the only book God bothered to write.

What the hell, I step away for a couple of days and this is what happens. So many logical fallacies on such a simple topic. This confirms the need for mockery at its loudest. Reason cannot penetrate the density of the religious mind. It is stupidity at its most ridiculous. The invisible, the delusional, they are your saviors and prophets. Natural explanations reveal every one of the answers to every one of your questions. Massey, Graves, Wheeler, Acharya looking into the past and finding a completely logical description of what and why. How can you zealots look at this and still cling to your nonsensical view of the world??? InsanityIf one man/woman claims to have an invisible friend we call it insane. If an entire group claims this invisible friend we call it religion.Say this out loud:Christianity belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. This is the same story that was told in pieces by many many religions prior to its creation. The creators of this FICTION couldn’t even come up with there own story. They stole it and you zealots bought it hook-line-and-sinker. I fully understand the brainwashing aspect of religion (I am former roman catholic for 45 yrs) but once you know the truth then its on you to have the courage to stand up for yourself. Stop letting yourselves be slaves to this, Its FAKE!!!!

Stop taking potshots at people searching for and finding the truth. Stop being cowards…grow the F up.

hitting the nail on the headI see that you did not post my comment, that is because I hit the nail right on the head. The biggest perpetrators of murder are the Brits throughout man’s history on this earth. You hate the bible because it says “thou shalt not kill” that is why you want it thrown into the garbage, only if you go head long into the garbage with it.

A book of peace and love, lets all live by thisNow a reading from Exodus, lets all hold hands and rejoice at the wonder of our Lord and the deeds of our wonderful prophet Moses:EX 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

EX 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men

NM 31:7 And they warred against the Mid’i-anites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.NM 31:8 And they slew the kings of Mid’i-an, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Mid’i-an: Ba’laam also the son of Be’or they slew with the sword.NM 31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Mid’i-an captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.NM 31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.NM 31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

Gods love is endless as he shows hereNot satisfied with this, Moses continues his depraved rampage as follows:

NM 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.NM 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

KILLING CHILDREN IS LOVE? RAPING WOMEN IS LOVE? This is what you zealots support. Own it.

I wonder too, how many people have really read the bible from cover to cover and understood what they were reading. I love the questions- Have you cut off your hands yet? Or your eyes? Is this really the book you want to save so future generations can continue to be misled? How about trying truth and science instead of fables and myths?

You can’t hate something that doesn’t existWe’re not God Haters, I personally believe there is nothing to hate. However, I don’t hold it against anyone if they have arrived at a different conclusion. I simply require that they respect my conclusion.Now, the question of a savior or prophet as divine is a completely separate discussion. The evidence of supernatural intervention to bestow upon the world such a man is utterly ridiculous. How many resurrections have you witnessed or is there evidence for? Answer: none How many Virgin Births have you witnessed or is there evidence for? Answer: none

I gave you a thumbs up but I certainly don’t think the ten commandments is anything special. I like your heart and what you had to say. The 10 Cs however isn’t really anything earth-shattering. Pretty much common sense. These are the things good people would do anyway. It’s the nasty stuff in the bible that gives license to the evil of society to commit crimes.

SourcesThese sources are drek. If I were to attach a works cited page populated with drivel like this to one of my research papers (History) I would be hooted off campus. If you have a point, make it, but use reliable souces for your research. I learned in “Practice of History” many years ago that the easiesy way to make an ass of yourself is to-(A) Think you are smarter than you actually are. (B) Cherry pick your data to back up a pet theory. It never works because you always get caught.

BookwormGreat postings all of you… In my short life of 50 years, I have read over 8000 books. I know what man can write and what man cannot write. Man has an intelligence that is somewhat limited to learning and environment. What I have no choice to realize is this: There is no way possible in the world that any mortal man could have EVER written Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solomon, Book of Wisdom or Ecclesiaticus. There are no documents throughout history that compare…not in Egyptian, Sanskrit, Akkad, anything. There is a lot of rubbish which is considered scripture…Esther, Daniel and many others are but rubbish. We all have Ptolemy Soter II for the old testament which much of it is very similar to Greek and Roman myth. But for those I mentioned, there is no literary equal on the planet.

Holy doodooThat is nonsense HarryH. I have a KJV in front of me right now. Please be specific in what you think could have only been written by a Pink Invisible Unicorn. I would love to see those words that have inspired you to fall to your knees and proclaim “he exists, no man could ever have written this”. I’m trying to keep my mockery back but stuff like this makes me envision a small child poking himself in the eye with a fork.

If anything, the Bible puts a mirror to our faces. We don’t believe in anything. We follow our self-made rules to satisfy our basest desires, but when we hit a snag we hope for a higher assist.If we could only study the remnants of a long and convoluted humanity and its pitfalls, we would certainly understand the inner teachings of a people accostumed to searching for truth. Does it really matter that the Hebrew people started the ball rolling in the right direction? Many folks ardently prefer opposition to the verities of human nature expounded in the Book. We go round and round, and never really find satisfaction for our challenging spirits. This is the obvious, yet painfully secret lesson of the Scriptures all of us critics fail to understand.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.” Romans 16:17-18

re: [quote name=”nick lacobelle”]Acharya, it doesn’t seem to matter what religion to which an individual belongs as ‘god’ is the same in the end; that is, he’s been butchering, murdering and killing men, women and children for millenia. I know there is ‘good’ but I can’t seem to figure out why God does this.[/quote]

God does not do this, humans do this. We see atrocities and immediately ask, “Why does God let this happen?” But the bottom line is, the person committing the act chooses to do that act, hence our free will. God is like an absentee parent, and while away the children become “Lord of the Flies.”

What we do with our lives (and with the lives of others) is up to us not God. It’s like giving your child a canvas and saying “here create.” We give them basic tools to begin, but we will not [usually] dictate what that child creates. And we will be happy if is a grand creation, or saddened if that child takes the canvas and destroys it, but either way it was a gift freely given.

I don’t blame God (or the universe or what have you) for the Earthly acts that happen, I blame the person committing the act. I read a Russian proverb once, it said, “Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore.” So there you have it, believe in whatever faith you have but keep on paddling.

We must learn to work with what God gives us. I like this story too; “The floods came and the sheriff came by the old mans house and said”Hop in my cruiser and I drive you to safety” where the old man replied “That’s ok, the Lord will save me”! The waters rose then a boat came by to save the old man and again he said “No thanks, the Lord will save me”! Then the waters rose again and the old man standing on the roof refused the helicopter that came by to save him. The old man drowned and when standing before the Lord he said “Lord- why did you not save me”? The Lord answered “I sent you the sheriff, a boat and a helicopter- what else did you want”?

how many inocent victims will be the final number of the new relegion ? self worship ?when one is the center of their known universe they are easily lost without a compass.what is your bearing captian? ignorance will not be your excuse .you have all the answers.DON’T YOU DON’T YOU ?just like they did.your in the same boat. IHS

It’s so great that we humans think we know more than the creator and that we have a better plan for life in the spirit. “Cut off your hands and pluck your eyes”- This is the problem with you reading the Bible- you are taking it literally. The Bible is written in symbols and parables- not for all to understand without Gods help. That is the purpose. Even the disciples didn’t understand Jesus until his resurrection and they received the holey spirit. We have all heard; Are any of your friends “square?” Is it “cool” to eat chili on a hot day? Do people turn “blue” when they are sad? Do cowards really have “a yellow stripe down their back?” Are you “worth your salt?” If any part of you is sinful- deal with that one sin and fix it so all of you don’t perish! See what it’s saying? Yes, the old testament looks violent as you call it, but that was the way it was then- God doesn’t see death as we do to those who refused him. He has a plan far more understanding than you can imagine- he knew already that Jesus would open the doors for us all. Do you do as your little children say- or do you do what is best for them because you love them? How many times have you punished your child or put restrictions on them and they tell you how hateful you are or how you are mean, when all along it is for their best? You are the children of God, so you too yell and scream at him because you don’t get your way. But even as your kids tell you they hate you- you still understand and love them..? If God gave you your way, what kind of world would we be in? When you get angry and want someone punished wrongly- should they be punished even though you are wrong? Do we think we are more stable than God that we should get what we want? We have no idea what we want or need! When was the last time someone did something bad to you and you thought “I’d like to beat him to death with a stick” or “I wish he were dead” or “I hope he gets his ass kicked”? Does that not make you a hypocrite in your judgement of violence? I’m glad you are not God! Symbols and Parables people! Read the bible with your inner self, not your head, listen and hear with your heart and ask for Gods direction or you will make the mistake of “Gouging eyes and cutting hands off” -LOL! Like I said- The new testament is the new covenant God has with us. Focus on that, read it, study it and get the message. Look through the symbols and parables with an open mind and a whole new outlook will overcome you. If you read with a pessimistic attitude- you won’t get it.

Before we trash the bible, let’s get a copy of the talmud and put it under a microscope of public opinion and see what it says.It would be eyeopening to see what the ASHKENASI’S fill their heads with each week in the synagogue.

Wake up Xians!!!Christians need to get their head out of the sand. They still don’t realize that they’ve been sold an invisible product = God/Jesus. There’s a reason why you have to rely on faith & euphoria.

“Religious freedom is one thing,” says Joan Bokaer, director of Theocracy Watch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics, and Social Policy (CRESP) at Cornell University. “But religious extremism is something completely different. What people aren’t aware of is just how deeply the radical religious right has penetrated our government—in all three branches. We really are very close to becoming a theocracy. People have reason to be worried.”

God/Jesus is supposed to be the omniscient, omnipotent creator of the universe yet is incapable of leaving behind credible evidence of himself which would:

1. Save xians from persecution

2. Convince billions more skeptics thus saving more souls. Which is what all of this is suppose to be about, right?

3. In Revelation, at the end of the day with all the tribulation, apocalypse & Armageddon 2/3rds of the human population (all non-believers of course = discrimination) will be killed in what the religious tolerance website calls “the largest mass extermination of humans in history.” ([url]http://www.religioustolerance.org/rapture.htm[/url])

So, either God/Jesus doesn’t give a sh*t about you or he doesn’t exist. All theistic arguments have failed. There’s still not a shred of valid evidence for Christian supernatural religious claims. [b]If there were any credible evidence FAITH would not be the main requirement[/b]. It seems more likely that religion is a human creation with an obsession of riding the world of non-believers.

“People who are obsessed with end times have never learned from history. They’ve been 100 percent wrong, 100 percent of the time.” – Hank Hanegraaff, CRI

[b]A Brief History of the Apocalypse[/b] ([url]http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm[/url])

When it comes to Islam, burning or flushing the Quran can be hazardous to your health. Study Islam and its hairy history free online with the Historyscoper and see how deep the rabbit hole goes at http://go.to/islamhistory

All the religious texts in the West, comes from the jews, so go to the source of all our problems.

Also, get rid of the abominable Koran, that mind twisting hate filled text.

Get rid of all of these! It’s time the cards be put on the table, the truth of what’s what, without fear of “some idiot’s sensitivity or fear of being called names, because, this fear will only allow others, in the name of THEIR religion, to step all over you, and your God-Given Rights.

In fact, throw out ALLL mind-stumping religions!

Some WISE GUYS just took advantage of the gullibility of humans, to put forward their agendy, and “oh, my, lions and tigers and bears” – fear of “god.” As in “I’ll put the fear of ‘god’ into you- that if you don’t follow MY invented rules, and offend ‘god’ you’ll to go hell in the next life. And meanwhile- in this life, I’ll beat the sh*t out of you, torture you, mainm you, rape you”- until you believe in MY ‘god.”.

Thank THE God, People are waking up to the chicanery of ALL religions and their clergy/pirests/imams/RABBIS.

Humanity doesn’t need to read pages of scripts, to KNOW and experience THE GOD. You don’t need someone else telling you this, all you kneed is to go out to Nature, and your own Soul will show you.

All the religious texts in the West, comes from the jews, so go to the source of all our problems.

Also, get rid of the abominable Koran, that mind twisting hate filled text.

Get rid of all of these! It’s time the cards be put on the table, the truth of what’s what, without fear of “some idiot’s sensitivity or fear of being called names, because, this fear will only allow others, in the name of THEIR religion, to step all over you, and your God-Given Rights.

In fact, throw out ALLL mind-stumping religions!

Some WISE GUYS just took advantage of the gullibility of humans, to put forward their agendy, and “oh, my, lions and tigers and bears” – fear of “god.” As in “I’ll put the fear of ‘god’ into you- that if you don’t follow MY invented rules, and offend ‘god’ you’ll to go hell in the next life. And meanwhile- in this life, I’ll beat the sh*t out of you, torture you, maim you, rape you”- until you believe in MY ‘god.”

Thank THE God, People are waking up to the chicanery of ALL religions and their clergy/priests/imams/RABBIS.

PIRATES, and thieves that they are.

Humanity doesn’t need to read pages of scripts, to KNOW and experience THE GOD. You don’t need someone else telling you this, all you need is to go out to Nature, and your own Soul will show you.

What does a professor know that he didn’t learn from another man- perhaps a man who knew only ideas and theology. And what certainty and proof does he have? So if God made himself present to all, the problems would go away? I think not. People know smoking will kill them yet they smoke. They know driving while drunk is a major killer- yet they drink and drive. Those who will do the right thing will, those who won’t-won’t. After all, God is in the spirit- you can’t see a spirit unless you are dead and in the spirit. God is not a person, not female nor male- he “is”.

God created good and evil (yes he said he did) for a reason we can’t imagine unless you figure you can’t know good unless you know evil to compare it too. If there were no trial and errors here on earth, there would be no learning and little need for a heaven. I will be the first to accept that the Bible is probably not 100% correct since it mingled with mans writings, but the foundation is there. I am one who has experienced Gods love. He took over my life when I was about to loose it and filled me with rejoicing and love as I gave my pathetic existence to him. There are no words to describe it, it comes from within (the spirit) and I am no longer blocked by an ego that keeps man separate from him. I know I’m not changing any minds and it is to be and that’s fine. Jesus once said “I would have to speak “as” a fool “to” a fool”. In other words, there are many who will not listen or change, but he will be there when your ready.

For the ChristiansWe are all human beings seeking some truth. However, in our search, we should not be condemned to serve a master whose wisdom is somehow regarded as a gift. As J. Krishnamurthi once said:

[i]When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? It is because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.[/i]

IT IA ALL AN ILLUSION Deceptive Illusions“The great domain which no philosophy has been able so far to illuminate is the kingdom of dreams. They are replete with hopes which no reasoning will be able to destroy. Therein all religious and political beliefs and other kinds of beliefs find limitless power. The unconquerable phantoms that inhabit it are created by faith.To know and to believe always will be different things. While acquisition of even the slightest scientific truth requires enormous labor, the possession of a certitude having faith alone as its support requires none at all. All men possess beliefs; very few are able to elevate themselves to knowledge.The world of beliefs has its own logic and laws. The scholar always has tried in vain to penetrate it with methods. One will see in this book why he loses all critical sense in penetrating into the cycle of belief and finds therein only the most deceptive illusions.”

re: Typical Wimpy Intellectual Wannabe Arguments[quote name=”Number None”]What’s wrong, Mommy and Daddy send you to Catholic school and the nun’s treat you bad so you wanna get back at the big, bad bible?

It’s easy for the psuedo-intellectuals like you to want to rebel and take your jabs at the modern day Judeo-Christian religions. They are toothless and defenseless. The believers have been so brow-beaten for so long that they have come to believe that their role in this world is to be a punching bag for people like you as you attack their belief systems.

What I do find amazing is that in all the bible bashers, I see very, very few that are eager to attack Muslims and the Koran. This is a religion and a people that have made it very clear that they will not tolerate criticism. In your own points you say that Christianity killed 250MM but Islam has killed 270MM…so that gives them a close second? If that’s the actually body count, they have actually won the gold medal. But let’s move past that and get on with bashing the easier religion to criticize.

Unfortnately I guess tackling Islam and the Koran is a bit too dangerous for tough guys like you. So go keep tearing down and trying to bully a religion that won’t stand up for itself. Keep kicking on grandma because of your personal issues while the thugs down the street are making it very clear they want to own you and your neighborhood.

Maybe someday you will get your wish and it will be gone. Sure hope you like what fills the void. [/quote]

You obviously haven’t been paying attention. Islam gets the same treatment here that the other desert cults do. A simple click or two to peruse the story archives would’ve made this obvious, but hey, don’t strain yourself.

Try doing your homework next time & feel free to ask if you need any help shoehorning your foot out of your mouth.

Las Vegas B) Study for your self,the Bible simply tells the truth.You look at your own body,how it’s designed.Think it justhappened? Your choice,given the time allowed living,I’ll takemy chances on the bread of life.If it’s false,no one will knowbut if true every one will know. If you laugh it off,should Igamble with you? That’s where we separate,you can’tguarantee me anything,except maybe coming up snake eyes. 😆

Translation: Hands in ears and screams LALALALA Jesus is Lord!!! LALALALA Evolution is a lie and the earth is 6,000 years old!!! LALALALALALALA Jesus is going to judge the non Christians and non believers when he come backs (yeah like in 4 billion more years) !!! LALALALALAA!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Studying comparative religion, history and science freed my mind from the three Abrahamic desert cults.

So I assume god just “happen” as you Christians believe he made everything but you never ask who made him so he could make everything.I think that is the most important question a Christian should ask but of course “belief” never ask questions.

out of his mindLooks like mrs acharya was born in hindu faith, or this guy has some serious phsycological and mental problems, time to time this person makes offensive remaks on other faiths. What hindu beliefs are, go to “goutham’s agori” on youtube and watch for yourself.

It’s not the Bible’s fault? So there really is absolutely no purpose for propaganda, because it has no effect on human behavior?

If the Bible has no negative effect on people’s behavior, then it likewise does not have any positive effect. It can therefore be tossed in the trash for the reasons outline here.

And I guess we can’t blame the Koran for all the insane and violent behavior by Muslim fanatics either then.

By the way, it does not seem that a book full of genocide gleefully recounted, as well as a a slew of other atrocities, including incest, cultural bigotry, rape, child slaughter and so on is a “Good Book.”

FREE WILL? Did the bible take that away too?It’s not the bibles fault or any other good book’s fault for that matter. We all need to take responsibility for our actions, because it’s our fault. The wrong that we do is still a choice we made. Anything we have been told or read can’t pick up the gun or pull a trigger. It’s easier for us to blame the Bible then admit that we have done anything wrong. Good news is we can all be forgiven if we want too. That’s something good that I got from the Bible. Tim

What a crappy comparison. The constitution preserves the rights of free people to think and speak however we wish. While the proponents of bible try their best to take the liberties of free people. There is a constant struggle to preserve the first amendment against attacks from biblioters who try to weasel bible stories into the classroom as if they were authentic history. There is case after case of creationist trying to teach genesis as if it were science.The constitution takes its biggest attacks from the religious right. The Bible thumpers of the last administration did quite a number on the constitution.

act righteously?“The bottom line is that we need no such old scriptures to lead our lives righteously. We can use our innate decency, morality, intelligence and humanity.”

Aside from a God there can be no righteousness. Mere molecules are neither right or wrong. Also if you truly believe the atheist dogma then you don’t believe people make choices since molecules don’t have free will. If God didn’t create the universe and give mankind free will to chose between right and wrong then even those injustices that you are worried about are part of the purposeless expanding mass, immutable and predetermined. Immutable since there is no outside force to act upon it and predetermined since it will always follow the established laws of physics.

As for religion being the cause of wars and death, don’t forget the religion of atheism which in our age has caused deaths of hundreds of millions through Stalin and Mao.

Imagine- There is no beginning or end to space. If there were, what is on the other side? There is no beginning of time- if there were, what happened before that? It all has been and always will ….be. No beginning or end, no limits, actually no time. God is the same- always has been, always will be.

Think of the leaf on the tree. When it turns brown and falls, is it dead? No, it falls to earth and changes into food for the tree, to once again become a leaf? Nothing dies, it just changes. Energy always exists in one form or another. We don’t die- we change.

I just wonder if there is enough to do in the universe to keep our attention up for eternity…??

BibleMany of the atrocities that you are stating have existed before the bible, and will exist after the bible. It is the nature of man that the law givers were trying to tame, the quick to judge, pettines, back stabbing, murder, sleeping with your friends wife, stealing. Throw out the bible, and something else will come and take its place, something you don’t even recognize that is forming into a religion. Darwinism at times takes on the form of a religion when its adherents become overly emotional and threatening when the theory is questioned, the bible is attempting to assuage the inner beast that exists in man, it was never intended to be a literal explanation of events, that is a modern interpretation. Be at peace with yourselves and read these ancient texts with an open mind, not one clouded with the judgement of others, you will see the wisdom in such books as proverbs if you do this.

Wow, so many misconseptions here to tackle and such a long thread that I wont post exact quotes and who said them, SO…I’m going to go off memory…

First off this crazy notion that dogs don’t have a soul (whatever that is?) therefore they do not understand danger and death, is a HUGE lie! Many christians have been told by their preachers that animals are inferior because they do not have the capacity to be self aware and do not have emotions, thus leading to and contributing to the mistreatment of animals.

I assure you as an experienced canine handler(of many sorts), that dogs are absolutely selfaware and absolutely feel and experience multiple emotions . I promise you, that if you strapt a dog to a rocket he would literally sh#t and piss himself and know instictually that his life was in danger! And dogs have a much better understanding of death and their own mortality than humans. In fact many dogs have alerted me to many dangers that I had no clue were even there. I have aslo seen many dogs mourn the loss of another canine/cat/bird and even human campanions. So, please stop sprewing those lies, it has cost the lives of too many animals who have just as much right to live and love and be loved as humans!

And here are a couple of fun facts you believers can look up…Dogs have many facial expression to express their feelings and they are quite cute to boot.And elephants experience 32 more emotions than humans are capable of.

Second misconception that must be addressed!!! Rape, violence, curruption and war are NOT inate human behaviors! I think the idea of humans being born hateful sinners is the worst of all the psychosis caused by religious beliefs! first off, rape does NOT benefit human evolution, in fact it does the opposite. It is the female that drives evolution, especially in the human species because of her long term investment in her offspring. Human females search out mates based on immunities. Ever wonder why we kiss they way we do? Because, the female is getting a closer smell and taste of her potential mates immunity. Thats right guys(to include non-believers) if she aint diggin your immune system, you wont be doing any diggin in that garden. SO, rape has no biological or evolutionary bennefits. Another reason I know for a FACT that rape, violence and the rest of the nasty things that come with patriarchal religions arent innate is that it is NOT universal.

Now to address the supposed millions killed by athiesm. First off atheism is not a set of beliefs and has no doctrine nor rules to obide by. It simply is the denial of the existance of a deity. With that being said…just becasue someone does not believe god exists does NOT mean that they are not affected by the patriarchal religious ideologies. I see many atheist every day that may not believe in god but still suffer from patriarchal psychosis. Patriarchal religions with their hrrible books are just tools to inforce patriachal dominance. They go hand in hand you have to throw them both out to rid the problem. Stallin being raised and spending his whole life entrentched in patriarchal religions is not going to shake off his psychosis just because he refuses to believe in a figure, that I’m sure caused him a lot of emotional and physical pain(i.e.spare the rod B.S) It is also well documented that Stallin and Mussilini were in bed with the church every murderous step of the way. Thats right the christain church sat by watching and did NOTHING…oh, wait a min they did do something…they did cheer them on from time to time. So, the christians hands are just as bloody as stallins.

And BTW, I do not claim to be an atheist either, I just wanted to set the record staight.

Acharya,

This student is learning a LOT from you! I admire how you handle biblethumpers and get a LOT of HUGE belly laughs. lol

What is really funny is how some christians come on here and telll you, you are wrong just because they sat in on some bible study classes in thier church and heard differently. Like it compares to the years and years of your biblical research. lol

I can’t tell you how many christian women do the same to me, like my years of matriarchal and women’s studies has blinded me to the truth and if I just “see through all the misunderstandings I to can be a free woman in christs love”. Yuck!

BTW, My husband would give his life for me too and he didn’t need a bible to tell him that, he just listens to his instincts and it makes more biological sense to sacrifice his life since he is not the one that carries, brings forth and nurished new life. Biologically speaking he understands he is expendable I am not.

“Buddhism is an atheist religion. There is no other type of Buddhism. There is no controversy in this statement. I’ve heard even the Dalai Lama himself clarify this point directly in no uncertain terms. Anyone who claims to be a Buddhist, yet also believe in a god or gods, is no Buddhist”. See…Atheism is a religion. LOL

Pick your poison…either the church “was in bed with Stalin and Mussolini” or “sat by watching and did nothing”. Which is it? Also I find it strange that the church backed both a fascist and a communist, not one or the other. I know the Roman Catholic Church in Italy had a relationship with Mussolini, and even Hitler, the Hinduistic believer, but Stalin purged the Soviet empire of Christianity, sending thousands to the Gulag and death. Note also that the Roman Catholic Church is an institution which holds many unbiblical beliefs which it adopted as a means of bringing in polytheists.

What about Mao…his mother drop a bible on his head as a baby too?

As for the bible causing men to rape and pillage, you are missing the fact that the bible records the events not promotes them. I know…you’re going to say that the Old Testament is full of references to God telling the Jews to kill so and so etc. However not everyone holds your beliefs that all killing is evil. Most people on earth believe self-defence is a valid reason to kill. (Even the kook who went to northern British Columbia to live with the bears, and truly held a belief that they should never ever be harmed, and ended up being devoured by them, tried to defend himself with a cast iron fry pan in the end). The nation of Israel, with which the OT deals, like every other nation on earth at that time, made war to protect themselves.

The point is that men are born with evil in their hearts and unchecked it will flourish. If you had children you would know that. Kids are born self centered and selfish and will cause any amount of evil to get their way until they are taught to respect others. Thats not condoning child abuse and spanking is certainly is not abuse. Beating is abuse and the bible doesn’t promote beating your kids despite the rhetoric noted. Some kids will learn by being told “no” but not every child. Giving a child borders is the best thing a parent can do to protect their child.

Why so hateful?Why persecute people for having a faith in Jesus? Do you know 400 Christians are martyred every minute! Hundreds of millions have been slaughtered in this last century by ATHEISTIC ideologies such as Communism / Marxism.Next you are going to advocate everyone to be microchipped and worship the image of the beast? :0

Quite a non-sequitor there, Atheism has nothing to do with Marxism or any other type of communism. 400 people martyred a minute, pulling stats out of your rectum? Please cite the reference. Also, since there is no credible evidence that Jesus ever existed that leaves us with a conclusion that those of you that worship non-existent supernatural invisible beings are nothing more than demented and/or delusional. I view the religious in the same way I view neurosis, or psychosis, or sociopaths. They have a psychological disorder.

I do hate religion? Its about damn time society started to wake up. Suffering, guilt, misogyny, stealing money from the naive, these are all quite worthy of hate and are the cornerstones of religions.

Throw The Bible In The TrashWell my sista!! You are a very deceived woman!! And the reason for your deception is that first; you hate men and are totally irrational because of this. You think that women are just as superior as men and if Jesus had been a woman; or even a gay freak; that you would have accepted Him. But God is a male God and He is in charge and women will never be in charge and superior.

And the reason that I know that the Bible is real and it is the inerrant Word of God is because I have been living by It and its Words for 35 years now!! And I am 56 years old. And I have prayed for hundreds of people who got healed by Gods Power and the Power of His Words in His Holy Bibile. And without the Bible; I would have never been married to the same woman for 34 years this month.

And without the Holy Bible; I wouldn’t have had 2 wonderful sons who are 31 and 29 years of age. And without God and His Holy Bible; I would not have had a wonderful wonderful life all of these years. And without the Holy Bible; I would have been dead or on my way to hell. For Satan had my life for 20 years; and they were horrible years at that.

And my cousins and uncles and aunts lives were mostly horrible lives that I oberved when I was growing up. And the world was in constant turmoil as I was growing up. Why!? Because no one that I knew followed the Holy Bible and its teachings. And everybody in my family were total heathens when I was growing up. And even now; those who don’t have Jesus Christ and His Holy Bible live hellish lives of frustration and confusion and sorry.

And when you look at your family; why do you think that they are all messed up and in confusion and darkness and defeat? Because they don’t know God or have God and His Holy Bible!! And why aren’t you truly happy!!?? Because you are in Satans darkness and deception and evil kingdom.

And why is the whole world spinning into a coming World War where millions will die and be annialated? Because Satan and his darkness and his lies and deceptions rule the planet under his antichrist forces of evil.

And if you died now; where will you wind up!!?? I think that you know that you would be sucked down into the center of the Earth where the demons will be ripping you to shreds and having you crying for your momma. And those flesh eating worms will be constantly gourging on your rotten and stinking flesh!! And you will be wailing and lamenting and crawling around in the greatest agonies imaginable!! Why!? Because you allowed Satans lies to deceive you right into his tormenting hell !!

Thank you for your incredibly stupid, sexist and insulting remarks that prove this point:

[quote]If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New, he would be insane.[/quote]More reasons to throw the Bible away!

We get to see what atheists believe in. In the news, it is reported that Atheists are on the street getting people to trade their bibles in for porn magazines. Now that is a religion to believe in. SIC.

I’ll stick with God- he knows who he is and doesn’t waver. Without God, there is just Man and his wickedness which will die.

re: [quote]We get to see what atheists believe in. In the news, it is reported that Atheists are on the street getting people to trade their bibles in for porn magazines. Now that is a religion to believe in. SIC.[/quote]

Again, atheism is an UNbelief in one particular thing. Outside of that, they don’t agree on much. Calling atheism a religion sorta’ discredits you right off the bat. Obviously you can’t help but oversimplify the world by lumping folks who disagree with you into a big, uniform “them”.

Wouldn’t want to waste precious calories having to actually [u]think [/u], would you? Because we all know what thinking leads to. Why think when there are so many off-the-shelf, pre-packaged belief systems to choose from? Just make sure you pick the local favorite or life could get interesting. Safety in the herd, ya’ know?

And it’s not really my thing, but I’ll take porn over ancient dogmas of original sin, vengeful sky-genies, & eternal hellfire threats any day

Just install that fossilized belief system into your head & all questions are answered. Sure, there’s no evidence being offered for any of it, but thats what “faith” is for, right?

[quote]I’ll stick with God- he knows who he is and doesn’t waver.[/quote]

Which one?

[quote]Without God, there is just Man and his wickedness which will die.[/quote]

The way your religion slanders humanity as irredeemably wicked & hopeless tells us all we need to know about the men who created it. The fact that it resonates with you so well is telling as well.

religion is mental illnessI genuinely think that it is about time to start treating religious people as psychologically disturbed members of society. There are no valid arguments to support their hypothesis that gods and prophets were sent to earth to to tell us to be good. In fact all valid evidence clearly reveals that all of these stories were at best “tall tales” and the vast majority were completely made up.Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Soloman, Adam, Eve, Noah, all works of fiction. How anyone can still believe this stuff is absolutely amazing and can only be explained by widespread mental illness.

If one person ran around shouting “my pink invisible unicorn just gave me 10 laws that he says were from god.” You might suggest that he/she go see a shrink. But if 2 billion people say that very same thing, well then you have got yourself one long lasting mental illness known as religion.

welcome to epistemology 101. If you cannot prove you aren’t dreaming, then how can you prove that god does or does not exist. If you don’t know if you’re under the influence of drugs, or hooked up to a virtual reality simulator, then it is impossible to know the nature of the real world. Making firm judgments on anything except as necessary is usually a dangerous proposition. And if you are wrong, then you are doing a great disservice toward other people. If you are right, however, then let other people make their own decisions about what is right and wrong.Listening to people who are intolerant of religion or even religious people who try to force their beliefs on you is like watching two people argue whether the sky is striped or the sky is poka-dotted. It is maddening and annoying when directed at you. How would you like it if someone kept on screaming in your ear “The sky is poka dotted, the sky is poka dotted. If you don’t believe me, you belong in a mental institution.”That’s what it sort of feels like when I read Achyra’s articles…It is maddening because you know what she says doesn’t make sense. And she defends it with such vigor even to the point of censorship and not posting your replies.

Has the author of this post ever considered that she might be wrong? You want evidence for Christianity, there’s loads of it. Just google it if you don’t believe me. But people are going to believe what they want to believe, so in the end, evidence doesn’t really matter for sh*t anyways.

“Has the author of this post ever considered that she might be wrong?”

Wrong about what?

I was born and raised a Christian. I know the religion very well, and I’ve spent countless hours reading the Bible in various translations, as well as the original Hebrew and Greek.

There isn’t much “evidence” for Christianity I haven’t already seen.

And no matter what you come up with, the fact will remain that there is no evidence that the God of the cosmos came to earth 2,000 years ago through the womb of a 12-year-old virgin girl, healed the blind, raised the dead, walked on water, transfigured on a mount, raised himself from the dead and flew off into heaven.

And I think you need to STFU because you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about. Valid evidence? What kind of “valid evidence”? The fact that you think all these people are completely fictitious just proves what a retard you are. It’s one thing to think that Jesus isn’t Christ, but to say that these people never existed is just plain stupid. I almost choked on my chips from laughing at your sheer idiocy.

I think you’re the one that ought to be put away in a psych ward. Moron.

Where you are going….. you are going to wish you had read the Bible and accepted Christ as your Saviour. He is the ONLY one you can depend on…even satan believes in God! I hope you wake up before its too late!

Deborah “Where you are going….. you are going to wish you had read the Bible and accepted Christ as your Saviour. He is the ONLY one you can depend on…even satan believes in God! I hope you wake up before its too late!”

LOL, you mean like, how she has read the bible in its original languages? She has “accepted Christ” before and Christ failed, Satan fails too, because NEITHER EXIST. It’s called mythology. Besides, you don’t really think you’re scaring anyone with threats of invisible non-existent beings do you? It’s no different then saying, “The boogie man is going to get you.”

Maybe, actually read her books FIRST, before making silly assumptions?

re: re: [quote name=”Jeff Hansen”][quote]We get to see what atheists believe in. In the news, it is reported that Atheists are on the street getting people to trade their bibles in for porn magazines. Now that is a religion to believe in. SIC.[/quote]

Again, atheism is an UNbelief in one particular thing. Outside of that, they don’t agree on much. Calling atheism a religion sorta’ discredits you right off the bat. Obviously you can’t help but oversimplify the world by lumping folks who disagree with you into a big, uniform "them".

Wouldn’t want to waste precious calories having to actually [u]think [/u], would you? Because we all know what thinking leads to. Why think when there are so many off-the-shelf, pre-packaged belief systems to choose from? Just make sure you pick the local favorite or life could get interesting. Safety in the herd, ya’ know?

And it’s not really my thing, but I’ll take porn over ancient dogmas of original sin, vengeful sky-genies, & eternal hellfire threats any day

Just install that fossilized belief system into your head & all questions are answered. Sure, there’s no evidence being offered for any of it, but thats what "faith" is for, right?

[quote]I’ll stick with God- he knows who he is and doesn’t waver.[/quote]

Which one?

[quote]Without God, there is just Man and his wickedness which will die.[/quote]

The way your religion slanders humanity as irredeemably wicked & hopeless tells us all we need to know about the men who created it. The fact that it resonates with you so well is telling as well.[/quote]

All hail to you. You and only you know the secrets of the universe and all within. Good thing we can all trust that YOU have the answers. Your problem is you think too much. Your head is in the way of your heart and soul. You are one that thinks You do it yourself with no help. You need no one, you are self made. Given a chance You would call yourself a God. If you knew- There is only one God. He goes by no name and recognizes all names that glorify his existence and live by the word.

The dictionary on “religion”; -“A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one’s origins, one’s place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways.” My credentials are just fine. However yours are non-existent. I laugh, yet I still pity fools. Those who will not believe in him may never see him. Death will be sleep forever- no consciousness. It’s ever so funny that people will believe in ghosts, spirits, hauntings, the devil, evil, and demons, yet not believe in a God.

Mans biggest weakness is his “thinking” sometimes. Now go and have a great day!

[quote]Your problem is you think too much. Your head is in the way of your heart and soul. You are one that thinks You do it yourself with no help. You need no one, you are self made. Given a chance You would call yourself a God. [/quote]

Thinking a lot is a good thing. Good things come from thinking, if you haven’t noticed. People should do more of it. Not thinking enough is a bad thing & should be discouraged. Not a whole lot of disagreement about this.

And no, I wouldn’t call myself a God on my best day. I don’t really envy mythical sky-genies, fairies, goblins or jinns all that much.

[quote]If you knew- There is only one God. He goes by no name and recognizes all names that glorify his existence and live by the word.[/quote]

Sounds like you “know”. So enlighten us on how you came to “know” all this. Humankind is waiting (& always has been).

[quote]The dictionary on “religion”; -“A religion is any systematic approach to living that involves beliefs about one’s origins, one’s place in the world, or a responsibility to live and act in the world in particular ways.”My credentials are just fine. However yours are non-existent.[/quote]

Your knowledge about me & my credentials is non-existent. Instead of denegrating thought, try doing more of it before you say dumb things like that.

[quote]I laugh, yet I still pity fools. [/quote]

Lofty, smug sentiments there. Good to see that religion has failed to humble you completely.

[quote]Those who will not believe in him may never see him.[/quote]

Most who do believe never see him either. Unless you want to count the millions of witnesses who fill mental institutions.

[quote]Death will be sleep forever- no consciousness. [/quote]

Or a self-nihilting step toward something higher. Or an eternal groveling praise-a-thon for YHWH. Or a 72 virgin orgy. Or a flaming torture-pit of our Heavenly Father’s revenge. Depends on who you ask.

[quote]It’s ever so funny that people will believe in ghosts, spirits, hauntings, the devil, evil, and demons, yet not believe in a God. [/quote]

People can be particular about which myths & superstitions they buy into. Luckily we believe in all of them less & less as our knowledge grows. It’s a good sign.

[quote]Mans biggest weakness is his “thinking” sometimes.[/quote]

Humanity’s “thinking” is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom. It’s our greatest strength.

I’ll take any old existential crisis of uncertainty over cowering in caves to hide from the sky-god’s wrath. I have this deluxe option because people have been thinking “too much” for 10,000+ years. But hey, to each their own, I guess.

The Bible Is Responsible?Hah! Let me get this straight the Bible is responsible for the death of 250 to 270 million people?! Let’s assume that statement is true. Assuming the ignorant author is including the Old and New Testaments that would cover a period of 3000 to 4000 years. Agreed?! Let’s do the math: taking the average of 3500 years and divide this number into the supposed 270,000,000 murdered souls caused by the Bible that would average out to be 77,000 plus people murdered or killed because of that wicked book namely the Bible. That is a bit grisly to say the least and very sad if true.

Now let’s take a look at the atheistic Communist Manifesto dudes track record. The Atheist Bible, Das Kapital, by none other than Adam Weishaupt, sorry, I mean Karl Marx. By the way, Karl was no relation to the Marx Brothers. Back to my comments. Modern estimates of the murders and killings of the atheistic Marxist is about 270,000,000 souls. Gee! What a coincidence! However the similarity quickly departs when we recognize that 270,000,000 people were murdered from 1900 to 1990 by Marxist regimes. Again let’s do the math: divide 270,000,000 by 90 years and that comes out to an average of a 3,000,000 souls per year. Secular governments have eclipsed Bible thumping warriors in less then 100 years!!! That’s a whopping kill ratio of 38 to 1 !!! Hell, and they did it record time! Way to go Secular Team! Maybe we Bible believers could learn a few things from these guys when it comes to liquidating large portions of populations that won’t comply.

Yes! The organized church has blood on its hands and there are those who will defend the zealous efforts of those Christian Warriors. However, there those of you reading this who have already defended, forgiven and even applauded the butchery of your atheistic Communist heros. This world hates the truth for that they murdered the mythical Jesus! Hooray for your side! Good day…

RE: “we need no such scriptures to lead our lives Acharya – apparently Albert Einstein whole-heartedly agreed with you, when he said:

[b]”A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”[/b]

Supernatural Universe?If anyone can prove that the universe we live in is supernatural then perhaps there is a supernatural god who created it.

Certainly, this universe is superhuman: But superhuman and supernatural are two very different things.

The most intelligent people on earth (physicists) are trying to figure out how our universe ‘works’. (If they thought a supernatural god created it out of nothing, they’d be theologians and not physicists.)

The most ignorant people on earth (theologians) claim they already know how our universe ‘works’. (If they thought a supernatural god created it they would be physicists, trying to figure out the mind of god. Hmm, that’s what they’re already doing, isn’t it?)

Good and evil? Can a universe exist without good and evil? Evidently this universe can’t.

Sin, guilt and punishment? Are these god-given anomalies or man made control tools? Study history from all positions and then you be the judge.

G-Ray – RE: "I don’t find words like these in [quote]""Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them which curse you, pray for them which despitefully use you." (Luke 6:27,28)"[/quote]

Actually G-Ray, Jesus is credited with creating the [i]Golden Rule[/i]: "-)o unto others as you would have them do unto you." But Confucious said almost exactly the same thing 300 years earlier.

Nearly any good advice you can find in the [u]Bible[/u] for living a good life, has already been considered by free thinkers from many other cultures that predate most of the [u]Bible.[/u] It’s there, but you have to search for it – it won’t be thrust into your face every Sunday morning, like the book with which you’re probably more familiar.

William Kingdon Clifford once said something that you might seriously consider:"[b]If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood, or persuaded of afterward, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question or discuss it…the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.[/b]"

Actually, Confucius said “don’t do unto others what you don’t want them to do to you”. It sounds the same, but it’s different. Confucius is taking a passive stance, telling people pretty much not to do bad things to other people. But Jesus is taking an active stance, telling people to do good things to other people.

Supreme Court Justice StevensThis is not intended as [i]spam[/i], Acharya, but if you choose to view it as such and not publish this post, I will understand and not be offended – it just seems that this site might be a good place to enlist the aid of free-thinkers who want to help this country.

Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens has announced his intention to retire, and that gives President Obama an opportunity to appoint a second Supreme Court Justice during his term in office, that could help offset the four religious-right nominations appointed to the High Court during Little George "-)ubya’s" reign.

Justice Stevens consistently voted to maintain the principles of church-state separation, and frequently made a specific point of citing atheists and other nonbelievers as those who would be harmed or denied justice in court rulings. On prayer in school, on the funding of religious institutions with taxpayer dollars, and on the special rights granted to religion, since 1975, he has been a stellar voice for secular values on our Supreme Court, and he has consistently stood for the timeless secular character of our constitutional heritage.

Currently, this highest judicial body includes Antonin Scalia, who has written that religious believers should "combat" the idea that government authority does not come from God; Samuel Alito, who has penned flattering letters to James Dobson thanking him for his help in being confirmed; Clarence Thomas, who believes that the Establishment Clause of the Constitution does not apply to the states; and Chief Justice John Roberts, who has argued in support of "court-stripping" legislation that would take away judicial power to decide cases on issues such as school prayer – so that minority rights are ultimately decided by politicians, not the courts.

If you feel strongly about this issue, realize that whomever Mr. Obama nominates, that nomination must be confirmed by Congress, so email your Senators and Representatives also, and let them know you expect that if they want your vote, you expect their support.

Remind them of the words of John Adams, Founding Father and Second President of the United States, who said: "In the formation of the American government,…it will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of heaven."

I read the Bible growing up and, like most people who’ve been immersed in its stories since childhood, it seemingly made sense to me and I embraced it as God’s Own Truth.

But now I know better and see it for what it really is. One should only take the few moral truths (those which apply to everyone and which do not include an invisible deity) and discard the rest as bigoted barbarism and mythological rehashing.

I’m with David Icke and the late George Carlin on this one. The Old Testament was written by the Levites under the supervision of the Babylonian preisthood. These child-sacrificing, blood-drinking black magicians (to whom we would not trust the time of day) wrote the “history” of the “Jewish” people that millions take for as fact!

As for the New Testament, the Piso family (Roman aristocratic house) went around the Mediterranean region posing as the authors of the Gospels and selling their works to a gullible crowd. The only reason why the crowd bought the pack o’ lies was because they already had their own religions which happened to include many, many similar themes which one can find in Christianity.

Ever wonder why the “Supreme Being” chose the Israelites? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING special about them. They were only termed “Jews” in the 18th Century. At the same time Israel was fighting for its existence, China was a superpower with millions of troops under arms. Surely a TRUE Supreme Being would have chosen the far wealthier Celestial Empire to establish “peace on earth.”

“God” in the Old Testament is an utterly corrupt and base creature who continuously breaks his own laws by slaughtering men, women and children if they did not fit his version of reality. He is clearly narcissistic and needs love as a drunkard needs drink. Despite his claims of omnipotence, in Judges 1:19, although God was with Judah they were unable to defeat the plainsmen because the latter had iron chariots. That is just ONE example of the contradictions and inconsistencies RIFE in this so-called “holy book”!

The few moral truths should be taken out and the rest discarded as bigoted barbarism and mythological rehashing. That’s my point and I’m sticking to it.

Fence sitter’s viewI read and study the Bible every day or so. I’m almost through the NT and I keep remarking about how the authors designated Paul and others start up a church and then say things that Jesus didn’t teach, and that you had to do those things or bedamned. To me, that has the ring of authoritarianism. They got the early Christians to serve and forbid them to complain. To me, that is Christianity aimed at other people, and this is not what Jesus taught. Jesus taught ways for people’s inner lives to improve thru forgiveness and private communion with God. I sometimes do want to throw the Bible in the trash because it is so much easier to point your nasty finger at someone than quietly ask for correction of your illnesses and errors and ignorance.

Acharya S you are a brave soul. I love your courage. You have found A seat and wont move till the truth be known to the whole earth and when enough people wake up and value truth over tradition the light of truth will lead us out of the dark age.

To those love the book…I give you a challenge a sunday school teacher gave me. She ask me to name a hero.

So my challenge is to search the old testament for A real hero Abramham The father of the nation Peter, Paul, and best of all Jesus The son of god.David Sold out his friend and got him killed in battle. killed many more by his own hand Got another man wife pregnant lied, and was cruel to animals.

Abramham almost killed one son sent another out to the desert

Samson The strongest man alive was a bully, a liar ,slept with whores, had his eyes pulled out and killed him self in the end.

On down the pages.. Peter was greedy,brave when he had 12 people but later was scared of a woman and denied his lordwas accused of being two faced was the only one called Satan was the only one had the ritual upside down. killed two people for not putting in enough money in the collection plate.

Now Jesus….had a lot of good going on with the magic bread and fish , good wine walking on water. there was no way to follow this act. but I found him to be somewhat Bi-polor Love your enemy’s, respect your mother and father. The next you must hate your mother. one minute peace the next pick up your sword. Take a coat don’t take a coat.Some of you will not taste death till I come in my glory. was that a false saying?A moral compass could not be found. Try it

To the bashers yes there are pearls in the pagesto the belchers sorry it’s like fishing in a pig’s sty for gold

But really throw it in the trash?

trashing books was not good when they do it. As a book lover it will go back on the shelves with my Joseph Campbell, Acharya S, Dead Sea scroll’s and Bhagavad Gita ect. As just another book in the library.

Some day the hate of Tribal Deity’s will be forgotten as one more legend of lore.

Maybe we are here in time to experience time and the good the bad happy or sad one gives meaning to the other.

Love is The ANSWER find it and live it. For what you do here is all you can take with you. What have you created with your time here? Would you love as a god or use god as a reason to hate.with eternity the meaning of time is lost. Time to find a meaning you can live with for eternity.

Reading your post made me sad, because you only chose to look at ONE side of the people mentioned, completely disregarding why they are considered “biblical heroes” (for lack of better terms). Yes, these people have done some pretty ridiculous things, but as human beings, we make mistakes. Big ones, small ones, we don’t stop making them until the day we die. Yet these people all had one thing in common: they had a heart for God. [b]The bible was never about perfect people, but about a perfect God that loved these people despite their many faults.[/b]

Forget the people in the bible. I challenge you to find a hero in real life. Any hero. And I’ll be able to point out sh*t they did in their life. Does that make them any less of a hero? You tell me.

You said you could not find a moral compass, but perhaps you were so filled with your own prejudice and subjective thoughts that you missed it. Ironically, the bible mentions people like you

“This is why I speak to them in parables: Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.'”

anonwhat i would like to say is there is a collection far greater and far older than the bible . it is called the Greek Gods. they predate the bible and everystory in the bible can be attributed to the greek beliefs. Like take Demi-Gods for example they are sons of gods/godesses and men/women . Like Jesus the sone of “God” the son of man .. tada a demigod with powers of healing and casting out demons another trait that some demigods had not talking Hercules but other demigods. and even the greeks believe that one created all CHAOS was his/her name/identity so take your mumbo jumbo book to people who are have not read everything about the greeks and the bible over the span of there lifetime. Now in the name of Zeus shut up

Bible breathBegin transmisson…………Wow there is so much bible breath on this thread it is amazing. To think that we live in the times that we do and there are mouth breathers out there who still follow this primative guideline for living life. I understand you are frightened of death and can’t or will not look a little deeper at life, but to follow a book that has over 1500 different ignorant people putting their two cents in pretending to be the word of some tape recorder in the sky defies logic. wait i know….. i don’t understand it , it must be magic. For you see i am a christian and i am smart. Here is one for you bright christians to ponder. Can your god make a waffle so large that he can’t eat it? ………End transmisson

So, Love thy neighbour is obsolete?Thous shall not kill….obsolete?Not steal thy neighbours wife, land, potato patch? Obsolete?It`s easy to ridicule the Bible, but most people who do that do it because denial of their bad deeds is denial of a reckoning…..there are consequences of doing bad….if there is a God and he is the judge, then we all need to sit up and take note.If there isn`t we should be doing good to people who love peace and harmony and who respect their fellow man. We all as a family of humans have a duty to each other, yes there are some evil people who we can steer clear of. But overall what the person of Jesus was supposed to have taught, can only ne benficial….as Love conquers all.

A few weeks ago a study was done which showed that most free-thinkers, athiest know more about the bible than most proclaiming to be christians. So to all of the christiens telling those who have been reborn from this myth book, I would tell you to read your own word of god (bible). And most of you who do dont really understand what it is saying. ITS WRITEN IN THE SKY, ASTROLOGICAL.

Dont you know by now you cant reason with these religious folks, it like trying to reason with those on the right or of the tea party mind set. The religious folks believe the bible to be the word of god. Those on the right(tea party) believe fox, Rush to be the word from god, theres no reasoning with them.

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” 21 [b]Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death[/b].”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Look it up.

Per your other comment implying that most people who deny the Bible are just covering up bad deeds, sorry, but that is incorrect, although I can’t speak for “most” people. The fact is that not a few of those who have actually READ the Bible know about the horrible parts of it like the above and object to its violence and inhumanity, with good reason.

Regarding Jesus and his “peace, loving and understanding,” you mean, like this?

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but with a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy.”

Matthew 10:34-37

Perhaps you need to actually read the book before defending it. Start here:

Scriptures from the New Testament ([url]http://truthbeknown.com/christianscript.htm[/url])

Ive hear the word camel in greek is similar to the word thread in Arabian language.Im refering to the verse,its easier for a camel to go through a eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter heavan.Im already familar with the greek word for rope and the aramaic word.Is there any truth to this?Answer soon as I am in a debate.Please and thank you.

half rightAs I see it there are TWO bibles… Rather the bible we have is two bibles in one. One of them is a repository of ancient wisdom, whether it was culled from mystery traditions or came from a parable-spouting holy man or whatever. The other one is the bible that got written OVER that one, basically by the Roman Empire and people subservient to such, to co-opt a teaching of wisdom and turn it into the most massive system of thought control the world has ever seen.

There is a lot of talk about the Bible and one’s religious beliefs. For those Bible believing Christians… Have you ever thought that if you were born at in a different time, in a different place, culture or society, that you could be of an entirely different faith? If you were born in the middle east you would most likely be Muslim and completely believe in the Quran and Shia Law.

My point is, we as humans are subject to the beliefs of the culture and society we are born into. We are brain washed from birth to mimic the faith of our parents, and our parents mimic the faith of their society and culture. In Islam if you are a non-beleiver, you are killed for your free thoughts.

One word can summarize why we have conflict, war and death in the world today. That word is Religion. Worship of God(s) that no human can prove exists. Books written by man to control man does not prove the existence of God. And the belief that my God is the True and Only God and therefore I have the right to kill you is insane. Is that what Religion is all about?

Start thinking for yourself, mankind has the inert capacity to determine right from wrong without the aide of books written by men long ago.

Think about it… As a Christian, did I really choose my faith or did faith choose me through birth?

Educate To destroy the bible you would have to destroy the versions from this date back.What is horrifying to me is the newer versions wherein the codes have been altered in such a way that the frauds are in danger of becoming victims of the con game theirselves instead of only the illiterate masses the Cults are hypnotizing with the ouiji books (Holy Bibles).Educate the population the meaning of words.

What I see:If the bible were the true message from god, then why doesn’t it work? Obviously not with a lot of people as we have witnessed time after time those who claim to be the spokesmen of god and xtianity are the worst charlatans and liars on earth. The Falwells, Robertsons, Hagees and Hinns. Jimmy Baker, Jimmy Stagger and BIlly Graham et all. Not to mention the dominionists who are now worming their way into the government and the military. And don’t say there is no proof of this. Just go to Gordon Duff’s websitehttp://www.veteranstoday.com/. He has a number of articles on the dominionist infiltration of the Air Force Academy , West Point and the Pentagram. The dominionists are the ones I am concerned with. If they do gain the power they crave, they will surely start WW III just to put their idea of Armageddon into action. If they gain control of the U.S. military, then, no one is safe from these xtian extremists. Another thought: why is it that so many many xtians support using torture? Why are they so violent in their responses? Why do they constantly use god to support their wars. After all “W” said god told him to invade Iraq and he did. He also called it a crusade. “W” also said that god put him in the white House..actually it was an unconstitutional ruling made by a corrupt SCOTUS that put Bush in the white House.Let’s face it xtianity is no better or no worse than any other religion. It is all about power, obtaining and maintaining wealth and control over others. The first millennium up to around 1400 A.D. proved that. Even then the intolerance continued. witchcraft and heresy trials, all accompanied with torture and humiliation and death. Western European history is filled with religious wars. The Vatican’s betrayal of the Knights Templar. The persecution of the Cathars and Nostics. As a teaching tool for love, tolerance and respect, the bible is a complete failure. If it did hold true we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in. I’ve never witnessed so much hate, intolerance and sadism as I have seen lately from xtians. I hope that reason and logic make their way to the forefront of discussion but I fear that isn’t so. Only untill after another major war has destroyed much of the planet, all in the name of a mythical being devised by those who crave power and control.

Where do you get your morals from? The only place a sane person can – from common sense. Establishing a common basis for peaceful interaction is a logical imperative – and using some basic empathy and intellect, the specifics are pretty obvious.

Now Christian “morality” is anything but moral – wanting to go to heaven or wanting to avoid hell are both selfish motivations – and in no way include the most basic tenet of a truly moral code – and that is doing the right solely because it’s the right thing, with nothing to gain or lose.

LOL, that’s a really funny comment except you probably serious believe it. Christian revisionism is a real problem. Where things aren’t convenient for Christians they just make it up however they need to. That’s why Joseph Wheless referred to them as “liars for the Lord.”

I guess you’re completely unaware of the fact that America was created specifically because they wanted to GET AWAY from religion and theocratic governments. America is based on a SECULAR (godless) Constitution that makes absolutely no reference to god, Jesus or Christianity. The very 1st Amendment specifically states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Take note, it’s the 1st Amendment not the 40th – so take the hint.

Plus, democracy in the US Constitution was influenced by the ancient Greeks and the Iroquois native America Indians. Every American should be aware that phrases like “We the people, to form a union….” came from Native American Indians. And, of course, both the Greeks and Indians were Pagans.

Greg – from where cames your common sense ? In which contry ? If you go to India, common sense says there no need to feed the beggars If you go to a influenced bibble country, common sense says the opositeGet it ?

The “common sense” that you love so muche, have its roots in the bibble. Like in the 10 commandements “u should not kill”

holy what? :woohoo: the Bible is really the holy Bable the holy Koran is the holy Kurack the book of Mormon is the book of Moronand the Gospels according to so and so are really the Gossip according to so and so

The Bible is Sacred and you dis-honored your ancesThe Bible..hmmm….I believe you are dead wrong. Your ancestors died for this book…..without them you would not be here…..anyway your secular atheistic beliefs sounds like your parents don’t love you? Well the bible has many distinct proofs. Manuscripts like the dead sea scrolls prove and promote christianity and the bible. Throwing the bible away is what liberals and the media clammer and talk about. Well 87% of atheists never had a father figure while growing up. Plus there parents where alchoholics or grave sinners. You have no sense with reality. The bible is one of the natural wonders of the world ever heard of the codex gigas? A book said to be the devils bible. yet it has an image of heaven right next to satan. It is said, to have been written by a monk in one night. Even it was written in ink one type of ink and one type of writing. It has the Bible in it the catholic bible. I can say that book is quite miraculous to have been written by one man. i believe satan has whispered something dark in your ear. Why dis-believe in god almighty? You have a terrible childhood and you might have had a depressed lifestyle. Well having faith helps you live longer some nuns have lived over 100 years old. Tell me an atheist would live that long? No way…..You have lost faith because god hasn’t came to you in a dream or vision. God will be waiting for you after death. Your life shall be hewn into your mind…and your life shown to you in clarity for the god almighty shall judge you and become manifested in the mind. the bible is the book of sorrow. People look in the bible to comfort that sorrow. The bible has been mis-used but no man even Jesus knows the end of the world only the father does…So try to speak your mind in some communist country you faithless hater…

“Manuscripts like the dead sea scrolls prove and promote christianity and the bible”

“Throwing the bible away is what liberals and the media clammer and talk about.”

“Well 87% of atheists never had a father figure while growing up. Plus there parents where alchoholics or grave sinners.”

“You have no sense with reality.”

Wow, that’s all I can take … lots of ridiculous claims without providing any evidence to support them. Randolph, you can believe whatever you wish but believing doesn’t make it so. Tossing personal attacks and ad homs at secularists and atheists will never suffice as evidence for your claims. The Dead Sea Scrolls do NOT prove the bible. If anyone has “no sense of reality” it is definitely YOU.

Bible vs. JesusHere’s where I’m stuck. We keep throwing it out there that Jesus is bad just because the bible is bad. What seems so obvious to me is that since Jesus didn’t write the bible, why is he thrown in the bad-bible loop. The Vatican is who we should be pissed at! Whether Jesus is real or not, I like believing that he was, and that he was as full of love as anyone could ever be and tried to teach us how. Let’s just say that’s the case…. and for anyone who comes to this planet and is a great revolutionary and/or lover… what happens to them? They get their reputation ruined, their truths turned into lies and so on. Point blank though, the bible is outdated for the revolutionary acts we’re trying to produce in our lives so we can move forward in a much less barbaric fashion. And, in so doing… regain our sensitivity and humanity! The bible makes me wanna puke… but when I think of Jesus or any of the ascended masters that lead the way… it makes me feel hopeful!

It’s not so much that believing in Jesus is bad on its own. It’s what that belief is when you unpack what it all means. It’s akin to believing in creationism and trying to call it science. It’s a big lie that no good can come from.

There are many books and DVD’s that will explain it to you. Read Acharya’s Christ Conspiracy and the rest of her books. Watch “The God who Wasn’t There,” “Religulous” and “Zeitgeist Part 1″

Believing in Christianity and the other Abrahamic religions causes far more damage to humanity than it’s worth. They all believe in an end times worldwide mass destruction where 2/3rds the human population of non-believers will be wiped out as part of the largest genocide throughout all history. They claim by killing all those people it will lead to a 1,000 years of peace when, in fact, it would be nothing more than a worldwide DARK AGE taking us back to the mid-evil times. Looking forward to that are you?

Do you also believe in invisible pink unicorns, magical elves and Santa Claus?

You should keep your opinions to yourselfReligious discrimination is likable to racial discrimination. To discriminate negatively against a group of, say, Christians, is just as bad as discriminating against blacks. You believe Christianity to be insidious and ridiculous, which is how the KKK believes colored people and Catholics are dim-witted and inferior. But, they were wrong, and so are you in your intolerance of us Christians. I think it’s okay to be intolerant, but we must politely digress, not verbally accuse another’s holy book to be a BS. Telling us that God is imaginary is like us telling you your mother is a fat cunt. Would you like that? So why not show a bit more respect for other people’s spirituality and perhaps reflect on your own lack of it.

Obviously, one could say the same thing to you. In defense of a culturally bigoted ideology responsible for the deaths of tens of millions worldwide, you are attempting to censor me, not unlike the censorial minds of the Inquisition that led to this very genocide.

No one here has said anything about discriminating against Christians or any other group or person. You have raised up fallacious and libelous straw men in order to smear critics of an abusive ideology, further perpetuating the abuse.

And what utter nonsense to claim that those following an ideology are equivalent to people of a particular skin color – that’s very insulting to those who have experienced true discrimination and racism.

If you don’t like the facts as I have presented them on my own blog, you are free to change the channel.

“Telling us that God is imaginary is like us telling you your mother is a fat cunt.”

Perhaps [i]you [/i]should keep [i]your [/i] potty-mouthed comments to [i]yourself[/i]. Where do I say here that “God is imaginary?” This post is about biblical abuse, and your obnoxious attempt at censorship merely proves my point.

Thomas Paine’s Book, the ” Age of Reason” still remains a classic in reference to this dialogue…his research and arguments stand by Reason and Logic and reveal the hypocrisy and double standard ethics , the confusion and illogical presentations of especially the Old Testament……yet one can not argue with some of the Wisdom , especially put into the Words of Christ….like all aspects of our life here on Earth there is the Good and the Bad mixed in together…the choice is ours how we digest what comes into our minds…..robbing people of the foundation of their Faith as Gurdjieff once stated is a ” Sin” ….I would add especially when you can not replace it with something better or equal to the task assumed….yet Reason dictates that the Bible is outdated in many respects and primitive in outlook since the conditions it was written in have long gone into history…..the point of Technology, and Modern Innovation is well taken…..and as as the fact of dependence on inner worth and revelation, yet I would remind those perhaps reading the comments that Christ stated to paraphrase that one must rely on what is within….not without…

yet if we are asleep to the voice of our inner psyche…..and listen only to the rabble of noise all around , in confusion do not quiet our mind in order to REFLECT…..and LEARN…..we add nothing to improving the general social condition which now boils to dangerous levels……believe what you will be be open enough to allow the LIGHT OF REASON to examine the foundation of those beliefs…..even again St John….” in the beginning was the Logos” …in Greek meaning , REASON….so rather than being critical and narrow, be generous in Spirit and helpful to those who still suffer the Ignorance of their own beliefs….and will not due to FEAR, or Arrogance change to the benefit of themselves and others…..Biophilos

“…With so much of our global social structure based on holy writ of some sort or another, it is imperative that we examine thoroughly our sacred cows and not shirk from exposing them to the bright sunlight. In consideration of the current political climate, which includes an ardent movement to “fulfill prophecy” by bringing about Armageddon and all of the attendant “End Times” tribulations and horrors, the issue of who Jesus was is not to be taken lightly. We should not blindly follow mummified traditions and ancient texts that could very well prove to be misleading, misinterpreted and mythical. Leading our lives and creating—or destroying—our futures based on such texts is perilous and irresponsible. It is paramount, therefore, that we consider the possibility that, rather than being the omnipotent Son of God, Jesus Christ is a manmade, literary character devised for a variety of purposes that no longer serve the greater good of humanity.”

Oh Really??Why don’t you mention the hundreds millions of people who have been killed in the absence of belief in God. Atheistic philosophy applied to social policy. Example, communism and Nazism. Let’s see Stalin, Lenin, Maosetung, Hitler and countless other Godless men who have committed human atrocities. You believe that a social and governmental system, in turn a society based on Atheistic values would achieve a higher and more just society? The proof is in the pudding, look at history you’ll get your answers there.Even people like you will come to believe their non-belief in God in best and eventually will want to kill those who don’t fall in line. So is it really the belief in God that makes humans commit the crimes they do? Or is it that humans, no matter what belief system, have a tendency to eventually eliminate those who aren’t like themselves? ummmm…..

[i]This [/i]blog post is about the Bible and religion. I have discussed the supposed atheism of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot ([url]http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/334-were-stalin-hitler-and-pol-pot-atheists.html[/url]), etc., elsewhere.

[quote]You believe that a social and governmental system, in turn a society based on Atheistic values would achieve a higher and more just society? [/quote]I personally have never said such a thing, so that would represent a typical, kneejerk Christian apologist response, as does your entire comment, essentially.

[quote]Even people like you will come to believe their non-belief in God in best and eventually will want to kill those who don’t fall in line.[/quote]An utterly false and libelous commentary on my person, whom you do not know in the least. I don’t even deem myself an “atheist” per se, and this post was NOT about atheism.

I had a visionBefore you throw your bible in the trash just remember that all things have came to pass the way they had to. Whether or not the bible is of the true God who created himself or a God under him… it is from a God and was meant for us to learn from it, to follow it and watch for the signs in order to prepare ourselves and others. Jesus is real. I prayed for hours once for forgiveness for all I had ever done wrong in my life. I didn’t feel worthy of God even though I felt a holy spirit surrounding my body. I cried and kept praying for God to show me that he heard me… I waited for anything to happen, a chair to move, a door to shut… anything but nothing happened… and then it was like I went from one room into another… it was misty and serene. I could hear beautiful music to the left of me but was all around me. I have never heard music like this on earth. I knew I was somewhere special and not of the earth… the vision goes on and on and it’s beautiful. I wrote a book about my many visions/spiritual experiences. You can find it at Lulu.com under (Robin Michelle’s Visions). It’s not the best written book but it is a diary account of some of my best visions and it is completely true. Jesus lives and most of us just don’t care. I care and someday I will see him again.

ACIMguys, all this bickering is useless and pointless. how come so many are agitated about a bunch of novels written 20 centuries ago. the original thought system of Jesus has been available in great detail for more than 30 years now. it does invalidate most of the bible and those who care to know will know.

god is powerfullook at you all fighting, religion isnt causing violence and hate its all of you idiots; learn to respect each others beliefs. its our blooody ignorance as humans to oppose each others beliefs. point is religion and belief is our salvation our sort of protection. put it this way there must be a god because who created the univese? so stop arguing and get along we will find out when the time is right.

I don’t think these Naysayers Have a ClueReading the negative, pro-Bible, comments over and finding the same brainwashed garbage I see that the Christians who are replying simply have no comprehension what morality means. They mentally tie it in with the the assumption that by the act of simply believing in the Bible they have it magically. But pinned down and cornered about it, asked again and again, they cannot locate or isolate it to describe what this morality in fact means and defines. It is, to them, a phantoms thing that goes along with their Space Daddy belief. A belief that clearly screams immoral behavior and cruelty in an outdated theology. The most moral people I have ever known were not Christians or religious, they don’t feel the pressures of society making them put on that front to have to be that way, they just are.

Yes some of the things in the Bible is not true. The Holy Spirit and the holy ghost are not of the same Spirit. The holy ghost is of the enemy. In the year of 2011 God told me to not throw, but to lay my Bible in the trash.

Arguing with someone who doesn’t understand logic I am absolutely tired of mucking around in this senseless psychic garbage. People need to wake up, pull there heads out of their arses and realize that jesus isn’t going to save you from the Hell that the christian religion and it’s woman/nature hating dogma has created on Earth. I will no longer tolerate being a 2nd class citizen in the eyes of your religion. I have been victimized by the christian faith for far too long and I am ready for my restitution: acknowledgement of the Holy Mother Earth and the divine feminine.

Why would any self respecting woman submit to a religion that belittles and enslaves them? Do you believe you are the lesser sex? Do you feel that you are the property of your husband and must submit to him? Do you think that you are unclean and unworthy to teach or to participate in spiritual conversations? The bible says you are.

And that’s garbage that needs to be tossed. But since no one is going to save us from ourselves and we’re gonna be living on this planet a while longer, please burn or compost it.

Holy Mother of GoddessThe Bible lovers! Having read this exhaustive list of comments, not even all of them, I now more fully understand why Afrikaans speaking people in South Africa are leaving the Dutch Reformed Church in drones. Many feel deceived and disillusioned by the selective reading of their Pastors, Ministers, Dominees (afrikaans for Ministers) of the Bible, knowing full and well the horrors contained in it. Many Dominees (Ministers) like dr. Abel Pienaar resigned as Minister of the Dutch Reformed Church for its failure to address the growing awareness that the Bible cannot be the infallible word of god as proclaimed by the church. They (defectors) waited and waited for the church to give guidance, but none was forthcoming. At the Word Festival presented by Stellenbosch Universaty last week, the first salvo’s were fired by a reknowned theologian when he said that the Afrikaans church may become extinct unless it now participates in the debate now being waged in the social media to provide some alternative for these dissillusioned people. Dr Abel Pienaar founded a new church called “Renaissance” where the emphasis is on “spirituality”, embracing all religions as a form of spiritual awareness that may still serve some purpose, where evolution is accepted as a valid scientific theory, where sermons are conducted without the pomp and praise by praying evangelicals. Here people are invited to raise their own views, be it doubt or dissent in a spirit of sharing the knowledge the church can no longer suppress. Though I have my doubt about how “spirituality” can erase the fraud committed by the Church for so long, I attend it only to try and understand why there is the need for spirituality. Thanks Acharya for adding to our knowledge of cultures, myths and mytheology so we can allow everyone to discover the truth.

Anyone that actually believes this trash is……MENTALLY ILL ! The Bible is a work of outlandish fiction ! It is an ancient text that was written by men thousands of years ago. Full of deceit, violence, myths, lies, outrageous fairy tales and the like. Any living, breathing human being that believes all the nonsense within it actually happened, is true and factual is quite literally insane…and very dangerous ! How can anyone with half a functioning brain actually believe that all human beings that once lived…and died, will one day rise again and walk the Earth. This is mindless stupidity at its worst ! Those “drunk-on-religion” fanatics that quote the Bible right and left are mindless and brain-washed zealots. They would be laughable…if not so dangerous ! There is no logic, rational thinking or sound science to back-up any of these moronic religious tenets. No baby was ever born of a pure virgin, no man ever rose from the dead, no one ever parted the sea, Noah’s Ark never existed, there is no Heaven or Hell (these are only concepts), and there is certainly no life after death. That is tantamount to asking: after suicide, can I get a second chance ? A conjured-up God floating in the clouds and waving his magic wand around is for fools ! Anyone that would scrap Evolution for “intelligent Design” in the modern age needs to be committed. These religious claims are for the ignorant, and quite realistically, for fools !

re: Throw The Bible In The TrashAnd the reason that I know that the Bible is real and it is the inerrant Word of God is because I have been living by It and its Words for 35 years now!! And I am 56 years old. And I have prayed for hundreds—–.

Well, well. Just answer the question why god wo’nt heal amputees?

As you implied so clearly. Your biggest ally is the devil and his eternal fire. Hang on to him being the only justification for your faith.

Amazed“I Am that I Am”. Now how can you say that God exists if He is ‘this thing’ (religious) but He doesn’t exist if he is ‘that thing’ (Spinozan). Just because you don’t have the correct definition figured out doesn’t mean that makes it a certainty. You have no ‘Proof’ either way. It is a ‘Faith’ belief, a ‘choice’, and you or Acharya can’t say that a person is anymore wrong for making that choice than you can for saying you are correct for making your choice. The Bible is a mix of many things and perhaps bad things have happened because of it due to peoples ‘choices’ that were not optimal but that is not the bibles fault and it is nothing in comparison to the secular destruction of life that has and does go on all the time around us. Many more people have been killed by secularism than by any belief system. Most major belief systems basically try to teach us try and better ourselves, a far cry from the self service of secularism. And we do need to be taught since we don’t all automatically know how to be good (i.e. consider the 5 year olds planting IEDs around the world – now there’s a ‘good’ inherent all knowing morality)!

The Old Testament is replete with the Jewish people conquering other groups, divvying up their possessions, killing everyone except the young women and justifying it because of their special status with God. For example: Joshua 21:43-45 “And I (the Lord) have given you a land for which you did not labor, and cities which you built not,and you dwiell in them; of the vineyards and olive yards which you planted not do you eat.”

How convenient it must have been to rob, rape and pillage and steal and then have God whisper such sweet nothings in your ear. It sounds a lot like Hitler’s doctrine of Lebensrum to justify Germany’s expansion into already occupied territory. Whereas Hitler attempted this theft openly, the land of Israel used terrorism to get a foothold, then nibbles away at the Palestinian’s land and people: bulldoze here, explode missiles there. Provoke and terrorize and when the Palestinians attempt to regain what they lost, use it as an excuse to take some more. But the last words of Joshua were that his people should never consort with the enemy or their ways or they would lose the land. Well, it is quite evident that they DID consort with the enemy therefore their fabricated claim itself is vitiated.

Ignorance The bible is a violent and poorly written tome filled with deplorable counsel spoken through unbelievable characters. To aid in digestion, it contains a “dash” of classical wisdom stolen from ancient philosophy (mostly Classic Greek). The profligate ignorance of nature, cosmic wisdom, and the true self so commonly found in both books has been extremely harmful in the evolution of human mindfulness.

“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.”

Tell the muslims you want to throw their book in the trash or burn one…just one. And the whole world of them will do a dance on on you and want your head. See how tolerant they are with you. Who exactly is intolerant? Ask the Egyptian Christians who were beaten, homes burned, businesses burned and murdered recently how tolerant muslims are.

To really destroy the Bible you would have to trash alot of your own critical books against the Bible because the scripture is quoted in them.

If I die find out its all a lie and there is nothing then I guess I will be there ruining all of that wonderful nothing.

Thanks for the slew of red herrings, straw men and other deflection fallacies. Simply because the Quran is even worse and Muslims are more fanatical does not reduce the bigotry, hatred and violence of the Bible.

Critiques of the Bible are themselves “trashing it,” so there’s no need to throw them away, as they are the basket into which the book is tossed, figuratively speaking.

What you have rehashed is “Pascal’s Wager.” Fortunately, I’m already living in factual reality, so I’m not concerned with the afterlife or whatever fallacious promises provided by the Bible.

I don’t call myself either a theist or atheist, so this piece wasn’t written by an atheist and your comment derogating atheists is irrelevant. One cannot presume that such a god exists who doesn’t believe in atheists, however. You are relying on a depiction of an anthropomorphized God written by men of a particular ethnicity 2,000 and more years ago. It’s not a sophisticated concept at all; nor is it factually accurate.

In “A Real Case Against the Jews,” published in The Century Magazine (v. 115, no. 3, The Century Co., NY, 1928, p. 346ff), Jewish writer Marcus Eli Ravage reveals the real origin and purpose of the Bible:

“Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code. Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your august constitutions and legal systems. Our legends and our folk-tales are the sacred lore which you croon to your infants. Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer-books. Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars. Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes. Our ancient little country is your Holy Land. Our national literature is your Holy Bible. What our people thought and taught has become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition, until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.

“Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories. A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood. A Jewish rebel-prophet is the central figure in your religious worship. We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions. No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.”

I reject this blatantly obvious propaganda rehashing the religious ideas, rituals and myths of other cultures to revolve around one particular ethnicity. This culturally bigoted megalomania has done a huge disservice to humanity.

Acharya, why do you spend so much time arguing with people who are clearly not intelligent enough to think for themselves? The truth of what you write about is plain and obvious for anyone who can think, has an open mind and actually checks the sources you provide. Most people who disagree with you are ignorant, have been so thoroughly conditioned by society, and are completely incapable of being objective, self-thinking, beings. It’s like arguing with a brick wall. Well, at least with the brick wall there’s a good reason why it can’t understand, and ‘refuses’ to be an intelligent, self-thinking, objective being. The brick wall isn’t being anal retentive of it’s own choice.

Thanks, but I consider my responses to be important to show others how to defend themselves against such attacks from the “brick walls.” It’s better to have some kind of barrier than just to run into a wall unshielded.

I am a child of God whom has been called to be a “SEER” an in 2011 God told me to lay my Bible in the trash. I have found out that everything in the Bible is not true. To name one the holy ghost and the Holy Spirit are not the same. The holy ghost is of the enemy, so they are not of the same Spirit. I have been delivered from the holy ghost by the Holy Spirit…

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