Top Court Finds Judge Bullied Mother Into Accepting Care Orders For Her Children

A judge bullied a mother into agreeing to care orders for her two children, the Court of Appeal has found. The orders made by Her Honour Judge Carr QC in Sheffield were set aside by the Court of Appeal and replaced with short-term interim care orders.

The Court of Appeal raised a number of serious concerns in its judgment. The now common practice of judges making up their minds about a case before the parties put their arguments forward during hearings was noted, a phenomenon that will be familiar to lay advisors and families who have been forced to represent themselves in their own family cases.

Lord Justice Peter Jackson sitting at the Court of Appeal said that there had been “a serious procedural irregularity.”

The judgment says: “consent or non-opposition to the interim care order was not freely given, but was secured by oppressive behaviour on the part of the judge in the form of inappropriate warnings and inducements”. These included:

The judge repeatedly isolating the mother and threatening her

The judge making fun of her counsel

The Court of Appeal also noted that family law and social work professionals in the case appeared to know very little about the case’s details and that the local authority had mishandled the case and its approach to the appeal.

Legal Futures offers the background to the case and quotes from the judgment, which contain some of the judge’s comments:

Before the mother’s barrister was able to brief the judge on his instructions to contest the care order, HHJ Carr told him that “if it is heard today I shall certainly make findings that your client will be stuck with”.

Her Honour HHJ Carr used the following language, which amounted to bullying and coercive threats, before hearing the case: ‘very risky for her’; ‘a very very precarious position’; ‘inevitably, I’m going to make findings… that that is significant harm. I don’t think there’s any question about it’; ‘not… without some consequences’… “oh, nonsense” and “preposterous proposition you’re putting to me, it’ll fall on deaf ears.”

HHJ Carr also threatened the mother by telling her that she would probably send any findings to the police and make sure that they go to the Crown Prosecution Service.

Jackson LJ said: The only conclusion that the mother and her advisers could draw from this and similar statements… is that the judge had made up her mind and was sure to make adverse findings that would be damaging to her in the long run.”

This kind of behaviour is commonplace in the family courts. We would like to invite all those lay advisors and parents who have experienced this kind of bullying and pre-emptive decision making to leave their comments below this piece as the site is read by judges and politicians. Thank you.

I was treated badly throughout my court case. First Judge had obviously come to a decision about me before I entered the court. Greeted all except me, then went on to threaten change of custody because of something I did as a child 26 years previously. I was threatened with custody change by Judges whenever they wanted me to stay quiet and do as I was told. Evidence of abuse was ignored. Perjury by the abuser was ignored. Yet the Judges told me off in front of the abuser for exaggerating, which I wasn’t, so they had no proof of. If anyone had looked at our statements properly, they would have seen how much my ex changed his story and even contradicted himself in the same paragraph. Very poor behaviour and incompetence from the Judges involved.

I was treated very badly my ex had money and a high profile job.
All I did was repeat to professionals what my kids were saying post contact. Caffcass the LA and judge were smirking at each other throughout. Caffcass put her thumbs up in triumph as all her recommendations were upheld, The judge went on a tirade of bullying
And said I was cold calculating malicious vindictive evil woman that had tried to turn the kids against their father. Yet 4 years previously another authority had told me to leave a da marriage or they take the kids . I did this yet 5 years after despite several attempts to safe guard my kids. They were cruelly stolen at Manchester Civil justice centre on the 19.7.18. I will never forget that day as myself my mother family neighbour’s all sat and sobbed,.

the now retired judge orrell was power-tripping. threatening prison and boasting about how many people he’d imprisoned the week before. he even dismissed actual evidence then created some of his own to help make the case for the baby snatchers, before producing his pre-written judgement in favor of adoption, full of errors and lies that can be proven, i believe he took payment or was blackmailed. i also keep all my emails and messages, my mckenzie friend talks about the hostile environment of the family court as he was threatened with imprisonment and even told he was guilty of contempt before there was even a trial just for asking the right questions.
there’s a headline about judge orrell taking just 15 minutes to decide the outcome of a case. we’ll it took him only a second to pick up his pre-written judgement within seconds of everyone summing up at the final hearing. where’s the headline about that?

At my recent court hearing, the judge who had only been at one hearing over a year ago, gave me or my barrister no time to defend myself against a comment made by Cafcass that I had highly influenced my daughter. We were brought into court for ‘housekeeping’ whereby I was threatened with my children going into care or my daughter to live with abuser who she has not had any contact with for nearly 18 months. I was told I was to blame for the ongoing case and that I had a lost a leave to remove and abuser not to blame. Told to go away and come up with a solution. Solution was for my daughter to try and have contact with abuser and abuser can write to her each month and offer to buy her a milkshake at handover of youngest child and perhaps she could make him a card. She is nearly 15 and went to see Cafcass manager, she is so outraged with decisions that have been made for us in the past. Judges have no idea what a nearly 15 is into or their friends!!

WOW, how judgemental, naive and uneducated you are? My child’s father is an ABUSER, my son is at RISK of abuse by this perpetrator and the agencies that should support my children, actually expose them to further abuse. Are you going to now tell me an educated, mature woman, that I’m not normal either? You haven’t met me or JJ! Are you a Social Worker or Solicitor, because in my experience you have the same mentality? Disappointing post and in my opinion an apology to JJ would be the decent thing to do.

You want to meet the child stealing skum bags in Brighton family courts all the judge keeped saying was when I make my ruling agents you and my advice is to do what the social workers want like hell I will

This happens all the time judges only listen to the social workers and guardians,in our case only met the guardian once and she hadn’t met the children ,family courts and judges are an absolute disgrace ,they have no care of the poor children they steal from living homes ,they actually said in court that the children was young and attractive enough to be adopted ,that wording doesn’t sit right with normal people .im ashamed to be British .

In December 2016, judge [edited] granted an interim care order on my children in Hull combined courts, after social worker [edited] lied under oath. My defence that she had closed our case no concerns just 1 month earlier, fell on deaf ears. Judge [edited] had already made up his mind and my kids spent 6 months in care before East Riding of Yorkshire social services were forced to withdraw applications for full care orders. After the ICO was granted the judge was changed to judge Buckingham (who returned my kids) and [social worker]went off long term sick, suddenly reappearing registered in Scarborough. The assessments this social worker claimed never took place were later added to the court bundle. My kids and myself are still being maliciously targeted to this day, I’ve just raised a major complaint to Nottinghamshire County Council social services for libel and defamation of character after they were caught passing malicious information about me to other services

As you say, this happens frequently in the Family Courts – because it can. It would be interesting to know who took the step of going to the Court of Appeal on the judge, I’ve not heard of this being done after a Family Court hearing before. I will say that I am one who’s evidence the judge simply disregarded, and this was at Oxford Family Court. If ‘Gagging Order’ (the first respondent here) wants to share anything with me, such as the judge in his or her case, I’ll gladly listen.

This is not unusual but it isn’t just confined to parents. Other family members can be threatened with jail – and often sent to jail – for minor misdemeanours or even nothing at all when ‘not playing ball’ with Social Services and bending over backwards to appease them. It is the most corrupt system. When it is is going to change, when anyone is going to do anything about it, is anybody’s guess because where government is concerned, only former MP John Hemming seems to care. And yes, I don’t doubt that many judges are in cahoots with SS and other ‘professionals’ who lie on their behalf to assist them in winning care or adoption orders or are getting backhanders or similar to remove as many children as possible from loving parents.

in my case HHJ Scarratt clearly told MEDWAY how he is against proceedings with my imprisonment due to breaching of injunction forbidding me to critisise Medway social workers, he told in most strong terms to Medway his reluctance to proceed, stressed that it will be waste of taxpayers money, especially that they are complaining all the time on lack of funds, however he succumbed under pressure from Medway on grounds that “you are danger for Medway council” I got 6 month suspended for critisism of public servants, a scenario typical for totalitarian regimes. Later i got 8 month real jail served 4 month. This judges wife owds children home. Now I applied to discharge injunction as I was assaulted by SW Bob Summers and Medway still refuse to dismiss him.When this mafia will end after all? Are we in a UK or in Somali ?

Medway appointed an investigator, investigator REFUSED to write what Medway ordered him to write,. he was appalled. Most ridiculous is that by reasons only known ot herself. Chief SW Isabella Trowler supports and praises Medway Children Services as supporters of families.Me and my son suffered for years at hands of those “child protectors”

My partner and I cared for his little boy up to 4 nights a week from birth. His ex had previously made a false rape allegation against him which resulted in NFA (and she admitted she made it up).

When the time came for her plan to work, she moved hundreds of miles away to be with her new boyfriend and stopped contact bar ‘an offer’ of a contact centre.

We then went to court as she refused mediation. My partner was given interim contact every week, collection and drop off to be facilitated by his mother outside a closed contact centre with no cctv, despite previous threats against my partner. This is also a 6 hour round trip and time spent in the cold, in a city we don’t know with a 6 month old!.

His ex arranged for a man and woman to ‘watch’ drop off, she approached my partner (breaching the order) starting an argument but we refused to talk and then man proceeded to chase us as we left.

We did not attend contact after the incident. Police said as there we no independent witnesses they can’t do anything.
Her work as a cam girl is absolutely fine according to CAFCASS.
Her lies about not driving (so moving the hearing to a court near her) when she had a new car.
Her false allegations are reason for her to get special measures at court, when my partner has been threatened and he has a heart condition for which he requires special measures.

She then re-opened the rape allegation that was NFAd last year. Clear manipulation of the family court.

What happened to innocent before proven guilty? My partner, who still has evidence showing she lied to police, has been given indirect contact consisting of a photo a week of his nearly 1 year old son. This is until a fact finding hearing in May, nearly a year since she moved away.

It’s the law that the family court should try by every means possible to ensure, for the wellbeing of a child, that contact is maintained with both parents. Indirect contact is meant for children who can use a phone, write, read and text not a 10 month old (at the time).

A supervised contact centre was not even considered. The mother refused to ‘travel’ so far. Apparently she can’t afford it – despite earning thousands from cam girl work.

When is this system going to realise that the majority of allegations are used as amunition to keep children away from perfectly good parents?

While the mother was our raving we had the child at 2 weeks old. While she was spending nights at a hotel with her new partner, we had the child at one month old…..

It was only when she decided it was easier to removed us that she ‘alleged’ all sorts of DV.

The system is archaic and not expedited for the wellbeing of the children! Judges are making cars about their opinions, they are disinterested and naive as to people playing the system. They also believe everything CAFCASS and SS report, yet ignore the severe issues in these services ability to interview and report fairly.

Changes need to be made before we have a crisis of one parent children who are alienated from the other parent.

My niece was constantly bullied in the family court. Our solicitor said that the judge was prejudice but her hands were tied and she was unable to answer straight forward logical questions – in other words the judge does as he pleases! Cafcass lies on oath, we put in an appeal and it was refused in same sort of personal language that the judge in the case had used. My niece reported that her two year old son had reported sexual abuse by the father – she wasn’t believed and despite being advised to retract otherwise she would lose her son, she could not do this because it was the truth. She went on the run with her son for 3 weeks, gave herself up, her two year old handed to the father in shocking circumstances at a police station in the early hours and has been fighting ever since for unsupervised contact. Her son is now 7! If anyone were to read the transcripts of the two judges who dealt with her case there would be a human outcry. There are many many similar cases. The family court known as the secret court is totally protected by gagging orders and threats of imprisonment. Journalists have been closed down – shocking and disgusting.

This is not unusual but it isn’t just confined to parents. Other family members can be threatened with jail – and often sent to jail – for minor misdemeanours or even nothing at all when ‘not playing ball’ with Social Services and bending over backwards to appease them. It is the most corrupt system. When it is going to change, when anyone is going to do anything about it, is anybody’s guess because where government is concerned, only former MP John Hemming seems to care. And yes, I don’t doubt that many judges are in cahoots with SS and other ‘professionals’ who lie on their behalf to assist them in winning care or adoption orders or are getting backhanders or similar to remove as many children as possible from loving parents.

Occurring in Newcastle in court of hhj Hudson. Happened to me. Please do not publish my name. I managed to stop forced adoption but she disregarded all evidence and I was informed by my barrister that the decision to remove mychildren was made by the judge with cafcass and LA at 9.30am. We entered court at 10am and I knew in advance there was nothing he could do. It is abhorrent how children and mothers are being treat in Newcastle upon Tyne courts. She mocked me on one occasion and asked why I didn’t write my own statements rather than my lawyers as I had studied law. She had no intention of acting in the children’s best interests, just to humiliate a professional mother. The LA stated intention was to destroy the loving bond between myself and my children and the Judge thought this acceptable. She even ignored cctv and audio evidence that demonstrated the social worker outright lying in court.

I completely understand what you say re Newcastle Family Courts. another Judge who did similar things to this was HHJ Moir. these so-called Judges are doing more harm than good to parents and Children. Social workers walk away scot free after committing perjury at Newcastle. it seems to be widespread. even the Barristers on both sides all come from the same Chambers right next to the court. i truely believe that collusion between Judges and Social workers is taking place at this court.

Exactly the same in family court it’s one sided judge sees there lies and still sided with social workers what chance of any of these parents got when there voices can’t b heard I myself am having to represent myself at a permission to appeal hearing

I’ve been mistreated and have been slagged off and forced to accept the decision of the judge that my son is placed on an placement order leading to adoption and have no right to appeal it at all the lies that have been told about me and the fact that the judge and the local authority solicitor and the social for the mother of my son coherceed her in to claiming domestic abuse and telling her that would help her in having the child in her care and make sure that I wouldn’t be considered to care for my son what a joke these family courts are they are run by corrupt judges that are bias and slanderous toward parents what for meeting the high demand for adoption rates and making money from forced adoption well not over my dead body am I laying down and letting the get away with stealing my son

Interim orders what are they hear the phrase all the time in family courts it means nothing to anyone on the receiving end
Just another order allowing the empowerment of the bad parent and sets up the targeted parent for more fail in outcomes

I was threatened with prison. The evidence was substantial to support the high risk domestic abuse we all encountered. My ex targeted us so brutally. Police were involved, domestic abuse support workers. We lived in a safe house and yet Judge [edited] empowered my ex to illustrate I was the abuser. I was threatened with community service. An order was placed so I couldn’t move to another county so for two years I was forced to live close to the perpetrator who was strengthened by the court system. Cafcass were a disgrace. Our needs were ignored and the system is barbaric, brutal and vile. I now have ptsd. We are all having therapy. The system requires reforming and regulated. The judge told me that MPS carry no power. Power corrupts. I have met countless families who have been so affected by this disgusting treatment. I will never stop raising awareness as it’s so hidden and destructive.

These type of cold hearted people involved in Child protection and the family courts can only be likened to those in charge of Nazi death camps in WW2. those prisoners had zero human rights and were disposed of like garbage.
Social workers stealing Children and the Judges who allow Lies and perjury in their Courts are no better. That in itself is very troubling.

I had the exact same thing happen to me and there was nothing at the time I could do about it, if someone wants to talk to me about my case great but i do not want to disclose anything here, as I do not want to put any unnecessary risk to my children

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I was at a directions hearing (unrepresented) and was told to take the stand whilst the judge bombarded me with questions. I was not prepared for a trial hearing at all. She threatened me with care proceedings, change of residency and supervised access…..there was no evidence at all to suggest this, other than what the judge had ‘experienced’ herself whilst in the court room. I was so shaken up, I couldn’t believe it. It was very unfair and biased. It’s concerning that they have this much power and are allowed to get away with it.

Yes that word Power.
we have far too many educated bad apples in this country who have been given this kind of power over the public and are wielding it like a child with a loaded gun. inevitably there will be casualties and even suicides as a result.

My district judge made a lightheaded comment before the trial began to my ex husband about what a smart man he was. My ex put forward a controlling court order that the judge agreed in every point with, signed it off with no explanation and even expected us to cancel our holiday!

My legal aid case was prepared badly by a trainee solicitor even Cafcass pointed this out yet the judge Ignored the mistakes and continued. Downplaying deeply concerning abuse.

I have to travel with the children on excessive journeys – much further than my ex husband. I was not allowed to change courts and have a 3 hour drive each way – the court is close to my ex. I’m chastised when im late and patronized. I have to leave at 6.30 to get there but no one can look after my daughter’s that early. The court tells me to ‘just sort it out.’

Nothing is in place to keep me safe because my barrister says – we don’t want to upset the judge because they can then give the father more custody to punish you. Police said you must get a protection order! Solicitor advised me not to report my ex to the police after a string of incidents as the judge wouldn’t like it!

I’d like to take a moment to thank everyone who has posted their experiences and thoughts so far. It’s a brave thing to do and incredibly important that the legal system understands its impact. Thank you.

the judge we had when my son left is partner and his little girl we had judge [edited] at manchester i being the little girls grandma and grandad was told we could not have her as we were to old and we could not keep her save she has now been adopted my sons partner acussed him of touching the little girl ti was proved by the sex hospital st marys she had never been touch then her mum said she made it all up all of us lost judge [edited] would lisen to anything we had to say are anything we had in writing

Yes this happened to me and my partner we took the Ipswich local authorities to court in 2016 sir judge [edited] had already made is mind up we was not given the chance to go on the stand our daughters social worker was given permission to leave and we was not allowed to ask her about what are girl said to her she wants to come home they lied and had said we promised her a quad bike when we had a quad bike and moto bikes we put in for appeal got nothing back apparently they were adopted in Dec 13th 2004 BUT HAD NOT BEEN TOLD OF SUCH A HEARING are human rights have been breached as we was not told of the adoption hearing yet again they had no grounds to take 2nd child we was told if they are adopted then this was a fraudulent adoption 6 months later we got to keep our 3rd child then a year later we had our 4th child all the evidence that we had that our 2nd child wants to come home we have 4 children all together we have 2 live with us an 2 well we don’t know if they are in care or adopted we have done all we can to find the truth we got slapped with non molestation orders on us but the best bit is we found out that the guardian did not even see our oldest 2 girls so any of you found through this don’t stand a chance we can not beat a corrupt government and courts we can’t find anyone to take our case on we have been told if any of our girls contact us we have to ignore them one of them sent me a message on her birthday and I had to ignore her due to this nonmolestaion order it’s so heart wrenching and up setting for all of us involved we was even blackmailed us if we contact our oldest daughter they would stop sibling contact for the other 3 children all together sorry I have missed some bits I have just put the most important stuff back at the final hearing the judge our social worker manager how long will it take this couple to get our act together she said years suppose to months six months later we got to keep our 3rd

This is a common theme. thats why many LAs have unlawfully obtained S20 agreements.even the former president of the family court J Munby stated Councils have been unlawfully obtaining S20s and using them to keep children in care while planning court proceedings against parents.

I am an independent mother of an adolescent child. For many years I have raising him without the support of his father. For many years I have been combining the duties of father and mother, thus often forgetting about myself. In 2015, the court ruled that due to the lack of employment of the child’s father, that he must pay five pounds a week until he took up employment. And till now he did not take up. Maintenance law does not allow children to develop properly does not allow them to feel themselves worthy of being a child, and allows for rapid adulthood and the lack of everything that a child needs for proper mental and intellectual development. The judge did nothing to mobilize his father to pay maintenance.Only to protect an irresponsible person who does not care about the good of the child, a person who used economic violence and mental abuse.

Natasha, when I first read this article on your site I thought ‘you’ll be overwhelmed, you’ve opened a can of worms’, and so it’s proved I think. Something has to be done, now, to stop judges and social workers collaborating in ‘Family’ Courts destroying the very families they say are being protected. Each case documented here will be matched by dozens more, and each is a tragedy for every family. All this after the present Government being elected in 2010 promising to mend ‘broken Britain’ and including the Family Court system in this aim. The Norgrove report ignored all this (I called it the ‘Snoregrove’ report) and has largely been forgotten anyway. I believe we need a new, public inquiry with evidence given under oath, into the workings of Family Courts, such as the long-delayed inquiry into the Haemophilia ‘tainted blood’ scandal now underway, under an independent Judge or team of judges. Those families broken and torn asunder should be given immunity against future prosecution if giving evidence against a Judge or social worker. All previous attempts at reform have not worked, it’s time for something radically different, open and transparent. Something the Family Courts are understandably not comfortable with!

“I believe we need a new, public inquiry with evidence given under oath, into the workings of Family Courts”

its overdue by decades. if it ever did happen the floodgates would be demolished and thats exactly why the establishment dont want to go there.
The truth would finally be out and the spotlight on the Scandal of Collusion and Criminal Adoptions would result in Billions being paid out in compensation.

I am also a mother who has experienced similar circumstances. A care order was imposed on me after I was accused of made up obscenities with no real evidence to substantiate them. The judge in my case acted much in a similar way persecuting me without ever hearing me. My children were taken out of my care permanently. I am innocent. Still not proven guilty.

I have sat in on probably 250 cases in public and private family law, the section 31 ones have ALL been cut and paste “risk of future emotional harm” where any and all evidence from the parents has been suppressed either by their own legal advisors (previous to them sacking them and seeking my help) or by the judge on advice from the local authority barrister. The judgements have been almost identical in detail (determined by pattern matching blocks of text using my own algorithms). Cut and Paste Findings is not a rare phenomenon, in fact it’s so common that’s its name.

As to private family law, the burden of proof (like the section 31s) lies on the accused. Here, though, for me at least, making a case has been easier (probably due to the nature of the cases – one such example being preventing a parent taking a child to a non-Hague country with a bad firearms problem and a population of over a billion and a reputation for underground human trafficking; I stopped that application dead in the water simply by pointing out the status of that country with regards its attitude toward tracing children and returning them to their rightful home).

Considering my own case: this was not atypical of a s.31. “Risk of future emotional harm”, no physical, forensic or other supporting evidence for their claims, evidence provided of social workers lying through their teeth which was ignored, evidence of social workers terrorising children which was ignored, evidence of malicious falsehoods made by known persons in positions of trust which was ignored, evidence refuting claims by court appointed psychologists of academic achievement which… yup, ignored.

Public family law is:

1. a Who’s Who of charlatans and liars;
2. a melting pot of failed solicitors looking for a comfortable out after spending x number of years reading out of date texts;
3. a members-only club for psychopaths – one that those of sound and compassionate mind need not apply to join;
4. a meeting place for buyers and sellers of children.

For anyone who claims that there’s no money in this: public family law costs the taxpayer *well over* £40 BILLION a year in legal fees alone. My case, and I do still have the receipts, cost in excess of £650,000 just for the first tier section 31 proceeding. THAT IS AVERAGE considering this was over 4 children aged between 6 and 15.

I am in the process of serving papers in gcc as the social services management have made my name mud and constantly lied. They have also gave out information to people who are not even relivent to the case regarding my daughter so that also is a breach of data protection. I am representing myself as I can’t find any legal to take my case on.

This hits a raw nerve for me too I was treated unfairly in court, my children were put on care orders to live with paternal grandparents some 200 yards up the road, so near yet so far. If these cases went to a criminal court I’m afraid social workers and judges would be sent to prison for these bullying tactic, it’s so sad there’s so many families being unnecessarily torn apart.

I find it very interesting that the judge had seemingly made up her mind about a case before the arguments were put forward, having experienced something similar from a Cafcass officer. About 18 months ago I went to court to seek a Child Arrangement Order to see my grandson, his mother having prevented me from seeing him following a falling-out. (I had not wanted to go to court, but as mediation had been refused, it seemed to be the only way forward.) To my immense shock and distress (because I had not been warned about this possibility), his mother made false accusations against me, related to incidents in her own upbringing, which resulted in my having to attend an interview with Cafcass. I must point out that I am of good character, with no police record, never having had any involvement with the social services, no history of alcohol or other substance abuse, and no concerns were ever raised by the school nor my daughter’s father, from whom I was divorced.

I was not unduly worried, and went along to the interview armed with a large folder containing photographs, emails and, most importantly I thought, printouts of more than 200 texts which clearly demonstrated my close involvement in my grandson’s life over more than two of the 3½ years under consideration. I would look after him for up to 5 times a week, often on my own and overnight, so that his mother could work and go out socially. As the texts demonstrated, relations appeared for the most part friendly, I would take my grandson out for the day, pick him up from the childminder, for which my daughter sometimes lent me her car, I would go shopping for her, lend her money, and she would sometimes cook meals for us. I was horrified when the Cafcass officer looked at only three of the texts before dismissing all this evidence as “a matter for your solicitor”.

Worse was to come when just before Christmas I received a copy of the report. This was deeply hostile to me while taking my grandson’s mother’s accusations at face value. (I struggle now to call her my daughter.) I had been quoted out of context to strengthen their argument, for example saying that I agreed that I “could have done more” when I was referring to a specific incident not the situation overall. My own evidence, which quite frankly would have demolished this argument, was of course not taken into consideration. If I had really been such a terrible mother, why did my grandson’s mother let me look after him so much, as I have said, often on my own and overnight? Only indirect contact was recommended, which in practice is nothing or nearly nothing. I made a formal complaint to Cafcass but they would only consider one factual inaccuracy, that they had got my grandson’s age wrong in the report. I now understand why clients are advised to record their interviews with Cafcass.

The report could only be challenged in court with all the expense involved, a built-in disincentive to taking matters further. Nevertheless, after having dragged my good name through the mud and destroyed my life, I wanted to see that Cafcass officer put on the stand and made to account for herself. A barrister was consulted, who advised that there was only a small chance of success because of a significant time delay (largely due to financial considerations – there is of course no Legal Aid), and because my grandson was exhibiting behavioural problems and had been provisionally diagnosed with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Then I was threatened with the entire costs of the court case, maybe £25-30 thousand pounds, being awarded against me, in which event I might have to sell the roof over my head. Although my solicitor said this was unlikely, by this time I was psychologically in pieces and had completely lost all faith in the legal system to treat me fairly and equitably I could see that even if the court found in my favour, that my grandson’s mother would put all kinds of obstacles in the way of my actually seeing him, as court orders are, as we all know, unenforced. Reluctantly I dropped the case, but still wonder whether this was the right decision.

It appears to me that the whole episode was a total stitch-up, and that the Cafcass officer had already made up her mind what the outcome would be before the interview even took place, probably because they didn’t want to put time and resources into the case. I could say much more but in conclusion, it seems to me that the high-handed attitude of the establishment towards what they apparently regard as “little people” beggars belief. I am not a young person, my health has since deteriorated, I have been prescribed antidepressants and sleeping tablets and have had extensive counselling, and I don’t see how I can ever get over what has happened. I am many thousands of pounds out of pocket, and will probably never see my grandson again. Additionally I am in a far worse position than if I had never been to court. When he reaches 18, my grandson’s mother can show him this official Cafcass report that “proves” that his grandmother is a bad lot, and he should have nothing to do with her. How can this possibly be justice?

” I must point out that I am of good character, with no police record, never having had any involvement with the social services, no history of alcohol or other substance abuse, and no concerns were ever raised by the school”.

This is very likely a Common theme among parents who have lost Children Via the SS and ludicrous Family courts.

Thank you for your reply. I pointed this out only to illustrate that people who are of good character can have their good name besmirched and their life destroyed by complete lies, and the system seems actually to encourage it, I assume to keep their workload down. You are guilty until proven innocent.

I’ve experienced similar. I’ve lost all access to my 9yr old Son when his full residency was given to my abusive ex. My 15yr old daughter insisted she reside with me, her Mother but my (started age 7yrs) now 9yrs old Son’s voice was ignored by Social Workers, CAFCASS and those within the legal arena. Me and My Children’s human rights have been completed ignored. I felt severely abused in Family Court. I’m abused by the local authority still, who tell me I need better coping strategies to deal with the ongoing indirect domestic abuse I experience. Asking for support and advice I was told “to play the game”. My Son hasn’t seen his two pet cats, bedroom, maternal home or local friends for 2yrs, he’s received no MH support for his grief/confusion from being torn away from his Close Bonded Mum & Sister. Our relationship sabotaged by Social Workers who didn’t listen, didn’t communicate effectively and most disturbing LIED Verbally, LIED when falsifying documents and LIED to other Professionals. My Darling Son is desperate to come home, he misses us dearly & I’m permanently anxious with worry for his safe – I believe My Son IS AT RISK of NEGLECT, EMOTIONAL/PYSCHOLOGICAL HARM & PARENTAL ALIENATION (this list does continue sadly!)

I’m exhausted with all the abuse I’ve been subjected to for so many years and still receiving now. Please Help me bring my Son home safe and end this devastating and unnecessary nightmare.
Thanks for reading
A very tired but still fully committed, devoted and dedicated Warrior Mother

Hi, thank you for your comment and I’m so sorry you’ve been through all that you have. You’re welcome to email me at Sobk13 at gmail dot com. I assist families free of charge (I’m also the site’s editor). Take care, Natasha

“he’s received no MH support for his grief/confusion from being torn away from his Close Bonded Mum & Sister. Our relationship sabotaged by Social Workers who didn’t listen, didn’t communicate effectively and most disturbing LIED Verbally, LIED when falsifying documents and LIED to other Professionals.”

This is such a Common theme being perpetrated against parents and Children. Child protection today is actually Child abuse in many cases.
why central govt refuse to tackle the problem is very troubling.

I had made a Complaint on x year. Bizarrely enough, it was the same year the Council had claimed to carry out a thorough search/investigation of my records because many years later, it came to light there had been serious procedural errors concerning same said x year.

Even more bizarre, same said Complaint got looked into biased. I had then took it higher to have one Professional respond to my MP, who responded knowing nothing about me and they got some of the information wrong. She had not ever even met me.The one who originally looked at my Complaint re-investigated her own Complaint I had made. It also took me years to find out said Complaint got partly upheld after all. This was Stage 2 by then. At Stage One, none of the ones I mentioned to support me got considered. But the ones in a Professional capacity did.

Long story short, I’d got considered to make a vexatious request, where I’d asked question about the Case System including miscarriage and potential miscarriage of justice because I wanted to try and help all the other families out there.

I explained to said place where I went on to complain that the Council had given them some wrong information. Telling them in writing that my child had been adopted on x year the long and short of it. Said place does explain that if the other place (in the case the Council) provides wrong information then they can be held to account by them. Still, at the point the Council did not admit that the year for said adoption I had first hand knowledge of was the correct year.

I made an application to Tribunal to challenge the vexatious decision and the details with the wrong inaccurate adoption year. They had started out (the Council) saying this was why I made my said request for information because of personal matters that affected me from said x wrong year.

So I included evidence from my own CA1989 Case as well as others (all relating to same Case) to demonstrate miscarriage of justice. I could only do this safely I believed concerning my own evidence, because to submit anyone else’s I could have risked getting their information wrong and using Case law was no good solely, because the public would have already seen about them Cases decided.

Bizarrely enough, said evidence got past 1 Judge and 2 panel members as I recall and the decision with the Judgement went public in a Judgement and not public for subsequent Hearings. Then bizarrely, my evidence regards the wrong adoption year got missed. I had repeated it so much, I believe it was impossible to miss really in all honesty. But the volume got used as a reason (or excuse?) to miss it. The said Judgement went up onto Baillii (where I’ve read Cases of interest go)

So, what started out as me trying my best to help other families (who I wanted having their rights told to them all in writing with information leaflets/booklets) got twisted round into me being left in the position I was fighting innacuracies concerning my own CA 1989 Case on top.

It was decided I was fighting said Case for all families for myself. I took the said Tribunal Case to Upper Tribunal, then to a Telephone Hearing. I had unknowingly committed an unintentional breach. The Judge’s own words regards unintentional breach.

I had previously made a Post Adoption application, successful with doors left open to me after 2 Hearings and because I’d submitted Family Court documents there (High Court) I had thought I could with Tribunal too. The Judge told me it would be put to bed but had I not defended myself with the inaccuracies I would have been told further down the line- well you had your chance to, no doubt. Also the public was not going to be allowed in to said (what would normally be) Public Hearing.

It was realised, I’d got the adoption year right, the Council got it wrong- but I still lost that Tribunal Case. Other things had been said about me wrong from same said year aswell which I challenged and I discovered double Case Files on my own Case none of which the Council have had intentions of remedying with any total satisfaction save to say I recall I had the Council found in breach (and not for the first time) receiving a short written apology i had to fight for.

Next, I made an application to Family Court in 2 parts. One to request belated permission to submit said Family Court documents to Tribunal I already submitted (Said Order states my application was successful) for this part I got granted permission.

Two, to challenged a null or void Adoption Order. This part was not successful because post adoption you’re told there is no Jurisdiction bizarrely enough when your challenging the validity in the first place. I thought if so many mistakes have been made, how do I even know if there was really a valid adoption order in the first place. One don’t necessarily automatically follow a Care Order just because this was their aim.

I am now left with the belief said adoption was “alleged” and the two adoption certificates I’ve got for my child (now living back home finally) years apart once he turned 17 is another story.

But where a Judge has bullied me, regards me challenging the Adoption Order- is because he has placed a Restriction Order on me and not until said child was some months away from his 18th birthday which applies to the Council and media or Journalists too. If this happens and my story goes public now then same said Judge made it clear he has the powers of the Court to place an injunction on them because of the MISTAKES.

My child wanted answers, my evidence showed as much. His views and feelings went ignored. He signed a letter happy for me to still speak out on his behalf for us and he is scared the mum he’s just got back could go to prison if I name specific names and places the Order tells me i can’t. He is scared of losing his mum he’s only just recently got back.

One of my other grown up adult children finds the whole thing bizarre why I’m restricted when the Council has made mistakes and said but surely you have Freedom of speech like we all do to say anything. He finds it crazy. Same said adult child was my rock all throughout when he remained living with me in my full time care. Two of my other children were in and out of my care who eventually came home and the same Judge who has restricted me has been letting paedophiles off at Court (I do read the newspapers)

One department of said Council, told me they didn’t have my Post Adoption application Case on file. They spoke to me ok outside Court, inside Court there were all sorts of things said about me and the Judge did not ask to see any of her evidence. He wasn’t interested in my 200 pages of evidence neither. But said department lied. I went home and I proved it in writing by email. Not too difficult to do when it concerned a public website. The Judge and I was apologised to (They referred to it as didn’t mean to mislead) and rather than the Judge question everything else they had said- the Judge amended said Order worse for the Restrictions part but I can now refer to my children’s and my name in everyday life. Difficult to prevent when they use social media as I do.

I went back to the original place I complained to regards the vexatious allegation, had the Council found in breach and was advised to send over what I had and send the rest once the Judge amended their Order allowing me to (He had said I could in Family Court) I was not happy to until I saw this in writing like the Judge had indicated/agreed he would do at Court.

The outcome was I was too late because it had happened many years ago even though I had learnt of new evidence. Yet, had I not sent the first part- I would have been seen to fail to comply with instructions. I’d got to send both parts.

I’ve had the same happen since concerning another place advised to ‘re do my SARS. To do so, I’d have been considered to make a vexatious request. Not doing it and because I was late I have so much on my plate I have lost out again. Another place I’d challenged lack of information (not fully complied) and another had signed for my letter and the whereabouts of said letter are still unknown.

With Tribunal, they said something along the lines even if my child had not been adopted…. Then something about it being irrelevant to the Case. I managed to get the Judge at Family Court to look at various adoption certificates and invoices which he admitted was strange or odd (I’d got sent one) then no trace could be found before being sent the 2nd one with the surname change (They put down to a mistake/amendment) and Tribunal stated ‘The Appellant does not make accusations for the sake of it’ which was me.

I have gone on to win a Tribunal Case since based on Oral and written evidence, but as a consequence of being a parent and a mother who was set up by my first Long Term Social Worker at least- I am feeling raw and like my heart is dying off slowly.

I haven’t got no resolution, no compensation, no full investigation with more recent evidence affecting the old, no letter to state I’ve exhausted all my options from Family Court and I am awaiting counselling.

I have started online, locally face to face in person, offered a 6 week course not quite so local and it’s been advised I see a Psychologist especially in regards to the grief. I’ve been sent on a merry go round.

When are Judge’s going to do something about miscarriage of justice and stop being a part of covering up?

When are Judge’s going to stop Restricting parents and gagging them who tell the truth?

Is it really just or fair to Resrict a parent with no time limit as to it’s end when by these Judge’s doing so, you are scaring the children!

That’s everything I wanted to say, save to say it’s bizarre punishing innocent, loving, caring parent(s) and their precious children. It’s wholly wrong toying with children’s, their parents and/or grandparents identities. Every bond you take is every heart you break. Then you expect us to conform to society, go out and work and carry on like nothing ever happened.

I have had this happen to me, I represented myself and the kids mother’s solicitor backed me into a corner outside the courtroom then the judges believed the solicitor without reading the facts or evidence in front of them (i have a DVD of an incident I was accused of) which proved I did not do it, they refused to watch it even though sservices had told them I had it, all I did was defend myself they said i should of brought a solicitor, apparent txts only her solicitor saw which again did not happen but the judge without themselves seeing it took the solicitors word and not mine, they said me and the mum would have to come to an agreement or they would decide for us with all the evidence I had they chose not to look at and with the courts always favouring the mum I did not stand a chance, I had full custody then 50% through court and with more lies no proof again it went to every other weekend?!!! Now I don’t see them at all as again the mum has broke the court order and I have to take it back to court, they don’t care about the kids or they would of drug tested there mum on request as she and her partner are on crack (I also had a picture of them on it aswell) which was dismissed, and how does someone get legal aid when there was no domestic or emotional abuse in the relationship and that was proven, I was beneath them all in court only the cheats liars and scum win these days!!!

Yes same here have dvds too still not allowed to present evidence. My child’s academic progress in the 5th grade reading and math levels so low. Academic level may have finally reached to a first grade level not sure really due that they tied my hands for a long time now, and keep you in the dark. Yes perjury, fraud, misleading, and falsification of records, etc wins. I am not trying to be rude. As it may appear just one side of the story, and not the other side of the story with facts documentation. As it seems one story is allowed with no foundation or merit basis? Legal Aid isn’t available or hasn’t been available for attorneys in these type of cases family court child custody and support in my state. It may have been in like one time in history, but it never been for over 12 years here. They’ve put my child with an alcoholic and unstable home environment for a very long time. Going back to court is same for them to take more time that you have with your child. IE, by other party misrepresentation and misleading drops medical insurance coverage after it was order. What they want is for you take them back to court for it, so they can take what little time you have with your child or children. What if human trafficking in courts, etc.

Currently In A situation where I’m tomoro for a 2 day trial hearing to keep my children social services and cafcas have completely failed us as a family and I’m pretty sure it’s safe to safe buying of phycologists and schools in the process to get what they want using mental health as a tool against parents instead of helpping ya… north Norfolk social workers and Norwich crown courts…. biased onesided only there for them selfs!!! Pick on the wash family’s but leave those who truely are neglecting and beating their children!!! 😭😭😭

Investigate everyone in your case, it pays to. Phycoligist many are in bussiness and appease local councils orders. Social workers check them out your find many move around the country, companies house companies their names reveal much. Essex not far away ive found many set up home and bussiness there. Some change names and dates of birth even finding their birth place near imposible. Nhs mental health nurse easy way to get rejisterd , days it takes with some. Corruption and fraud goes uninvestigated, thats why i do it investigating the fakes

I learnt never be frighteen of these cretins, louder you are is best. I even posted a threating letter from their legal department take my blog site down naming all social workers and directors corruption stealing children , it had to be removed within 7 days or court action, so what i done i put that threatening letter on the internet for all to see, i never heard no more from legal department at sutton.

I can relate to this. The judge in my case had already made up her mind, and questioned who I was to give his mental health priority over his education. That his CAHMS worker had signed him off due to MH arising from undiagnosed ASD meant nothing to her. The whole experience was traumatic as LA told lie after lie. I have since sar’d LA and schools and I am gearing up for the next round of sar’s before I apply to revoke the order. My family was bullied, harassed and intimidated into crisis – whilst waiting for specialized support to be put into place. Only that specialized support never appeared and a witch hunt began to prove emotional abuse. Dig in any family and you will find fault, but to find fault for ASD behaviours beyond a parent’s control is immoral. Sadly my LA does not train its staff in ASD, or provide any assistance.

Sars from LAs usually come back heavily redacted with large blacked out areas.
Schools will tend to do as they are told by the LA as staff fear for their jobs if they rock the boat.
LAs have more influence and power than people think. even the Police have to do as they are told.

Hi Natasha
Unfortunately, this case chimes with far too many people.
However, there is another element to this which is deeply concerning. I have recently been privileged to hear the accounts of many people’s experience of the family court system and there is often one worrying thing they have in common. This is that they are afraid of the consequences of complaining or rocking the boat in any way. They feel that if they assert their own and their children’s rights there will be grave consequences and they will stand an even smaller chance of a relationship with their children.
I applaud the courage of the people that have commented here because I have also seen evidence that these fears are not without foundation.
It is high time that a bright light was shone into the corners of the family justice system in order to rid it of behaviour which has sadly become institutional for some inadequate bullies that act under the cover of secrecy and fear.
We and our children deserve much better.
Well done for standing up and encouraging others to do the same.

Thank you for your comment and encouragement. Fear of complaining is something we cover extensively on the site, as it is a big issue and real bug bear of ours. Grateful to you for mentioning this phenomenon.

Police notice to our posters: please keep communication civil with one another. Bullying is an emotional issue so we understand feelings run high, however courteous discussion is encouraged on this site.

HH [edited] took all of 5 minutes to hand 3 British children to their abusive father back in 2012, in that hearing he gave immunity to father who had an arrest warrant outstanding for assault and battery of a pregnant woman (myself) he chose to ignore all the domestic abuse and violence, he said he couldn’t be bothered with this, why are we dealing with this when it’s a french matter send them back. Didn’t listen to the fact that they had been born and lived in the uk for 7 years prior to father taking them 6 months prior. Since then there has been been two ss reports stating father is physically and psychologically abusing the children, the eldest boy ran away from father in 2016 and has been back in the uk since but sadly the 2 younger boys are still suffering in father’s care who is currently protected by the french court even after he has strangled me as recently as 2018. All because this judge couldn’t be bothered to look at the facts and has now destroyed our lives and 3 boys one of which already has mental health issues as a result. Not very honourable at all.

I suffered the worse kind of bullying and find the family law court on whole to be so devolved from its purpose of protecting children and insuring justice than it can be! My family have suffered the worst kinds of abuse that will leave wounds that will never heal. I cannot afford the justice my children deserve but when I find them I will not stop hating the courts for their part in the abuse they’ve suffered. Its disgraceful that we still have comments like “in this day and age husbands know where there children live!” And “domestic violence and abuse is not a reason to withold the mothers home address”, better still ” if you disagree or step out of line I will hold you in contempt of court! That will hold a jail term as long as I wish it to be.” Allowing every court order to be broken by any male claimant and yet chastising mothers for protecting their child from grooming, gas lighting and abuse. I am outraged that the system runs on the advice of cafcass who have been found not fit for purpose nor have they the expertise to act as the sole advisor to family courts! The process is rife with corruption, even so to the point where solicitors are admitting to professional embarrassment and worse! The system is based on hearsay whilst facts and evidence are ignored due to “time constraints”. I used to believe a mother would have to have done something seriously wrong to never see her children again…well in this decade I have been re educated! Utterly disgraceful to see so many emotionally traumatised children suffering at the incapable lack of care in this sector. Its a crime! And yes all of this is so common we have thousands of women consolling each other after the courts intervention. I hope those chauvinistic judges out there can learn to see that women are the victims more so of parental alienation and that without the career or the full time wage to appeal to courts they are left being the wet nurse their husbands wanted them to be whilst they are replaced by new partners. Its so common to not receive justice its a known fact women have now learnt to protect themselves from such abuse by not putting fathers names on the birth certificates! Soon we’ll be doing DNA tests for every case!

As a cut and paste method to force a parent into silence when faced with flawed and unevidenced accusations which underpin flawed and malicious ‘recommendations’ by court officers — it is blatantly obvious that this is a vexatious instruction and a power game of ‘shut up, don’t challenge me, I can and I will take your children away’.

Every single use of this phrase should be dug up and investigated and every single court officer that uses it liberally should be audited.

as a cut and paste method to force a parent into silence when faced with flawed and unevidenced accusations which underpin flawed and malicious ‘recommendations’ by court officers to be expunged and exposed.

This is #MeToo for abuse in family court by its own officers.

It is blatantly obvious that using this posture is a vexatious instruction and a power game of ‘shut up, don’t challenge me, I can and I will take your children away’. It is brinksmanship that is tantamount to state sponsored kidnapping. Astonishingly it goes on in full view of all without anyone calling out as malfeasance.

Every single use of this phrase should be dug up and investigated and every single court officer that uses it liberally should be audited.

Well ,record number of commentsre judges who bully and courts that corrupt .Before social workers existed back in 1948 child cruelty was left for police and the criminal courts to deal with and that is how it should be today !

I experienced precisely this sort of behaviour from DJ [edited] in Basingstoke. He was rude, bullying, had made up his mind before we even walked in to the courtroom for a 3 day final hearing. The rest of the case had been heard by DJ Cooper, who was completely fair and held very different views from DJ [edited]. DJ [edited] shouted over me, would constantly interrupt when I was answering a question, tapped his fingers impatiently on the table and sighed and huffed throughout my time on the stand. Anything i did get a chance to fully answer, he ripped to pieces and said “That’s ridiculous”. This was despite the fact he had the evidence right in front of him from the professionals. He ignored the fact that not only had the father been proven to have lied throughout his statement and under oath on the stand, he even eventually admitted that it was a fabrication. He ignored the advice of the social worker and the psychiatrist, who said the children should remain with me, and ignored the wishes of the children. He ordered a residency change to the father’s house, ignoring the serious history of abuse from the father.

in my family court hearing I believe the judge I had judge s Oliver made a point of making me feel just as important as anyone else in his court room he made me feel safe .all I ever wanted (begged) police social worker to give me 5 minutes of there time I begged anyone to listen to me to just give me there time and for anyone to believe me and my children but no one did but I started given up untill this man gave me his time he not only gave me the strength through court but he gave me the strength to take the stand and give my everdence he made me feel powerful of my own life again he made me feel important again and most of all he gave my 13 teen year old son the chance to go to court and talk to him and that made my day because my boy (children) was also never given the time all day and was always called a lier!! my boy was so proud of him self this man made a point by just talking an interest and the only person who beleaved me and my children was him!!! when my ex had to give his everdence my boys barrister torn him apart and to see such a controling peace of shit a bully boy look so powerless hh judge simon oliver also showed him he wasnt taken control of this situation and actually caught him out lieing!!! I was in shock I think . I hold the highest respect for this man and wish I could thank him . i did let my 4 beautiful babys down with dv home conditions my mental health and the childrens health needs but I never ment to cause them any harm I love my children so much and my stupid failings cost me my children I never intended to deliberately neglect them I lost my way no one is perfect I just wish I had the help to get them home but if im honest I really don’t no what Im doing what forms I need to get back to court all for mediation I feel useless thick . and one thing mr oliver never done was make a normalisation order to keep him away from me and he said if I wanted this he could make that order for me and he never , maybe he just forgot

I have recently experienced a very distressing case. Ive had to self represent for the most part in 6 years of court proceedings about child arrangements.. I have tried to protect myself and my son from domestic abuse. My case has many gaping holes. Judge has made some ludicrous comments. I am scared I will lose my son to an abuser and I am powerless to stop it. I desperately need help. The family court needs to be exposed. The judge in our case seems to be on another planet and has dismissed the view of Refuge, Women’s Aid and Social Services. I have been called a liar about years of abuse. All I have asked is that my son is protected and that his feelings are considered. I have asked for some boundaries to be put in place and support for the situation. Apparently I have mental health issues for doing so.

My child and I suffered for over 12 years from the family court system. 2007 the Judge pointed finger at me and said five times that “God is punishing me”, and the Judge looked over at the other party stated “oh you know what I’m talking about” Kindergarten 2012 another court date Judge in 2013 school custody stated several times to the other party and other party attorney “you don’t have nothing supporting what you’re saying, you have no idea of what you’re talking about, and you have no clue what you’re asking for.” After the weekend, according to the other party attorney that the Judge came up with his own order which in turn lost more time with my child and certain rights. I am found to be a fit parent by courts. I provide support over three times the amount, and 100 percent medical, dental, and vision coverage always have. My child continues to suffer to this day. I lived in the dark for so long and/or always other party makes sure that I am in the dark about my child. Although, the other party has legal and medical custody, dropped their insurance coverage to $25,000 deductible which doesn’t cover anything right after it was ordered. My rights violated from a right to due process, etc in order for the other party to gain 50 percent custody and again violated to gain even more time away from me to having 66% custody since 2013. The abuse continued with court system and during the 50/50 custody split ping pong from 2007 up to 2013. My days of custody was bringing my child back to life almost every time, and I am always there for my child each and every time. My child is a beautiful child that I am thankful to been there during those days. I know my child misses and loves me very much due to don’t tell. My child knows whom cares and loves them. These days are long go, and it still continues due to my hands tied. Family court system waste of money. My children and community benefits from it instead. They like to cover up stuff and make it not known for “special needs.” hence one of many violations. What other party told courts that my child didn’t know how to walk or talk when my child was 10 months old. Keep in mind what happened on the other party’s days of custody. Judge wouldn’t allow me to present my evidence or all my evidence or an opportunity to tell the truth with supporting facts which in turn would have helped my child. My child misses her family, me, and her siblings as if hopes that my child’s siblings remember their sibling, and wants to be with me knows who is there for them. Please stand to support our children, and don’t give up on truth.

There are so many inappropriate comments and strange rulings made by the infamous Judge [edited] at Liverpool Family court. He has been censured on more than one occasion by Munby and had to take “Long Term Sick Leave”,
My own experience with him was horrendous, having to sit there silently listening to him pontificate about how He was in charge (Bruce Forsythe style) and if I didn’t “take that look off my face” I would be expelled, whilst he made inappropriate comments galore, far too many to list here, but one I remember clearly was regarding a Czech mother who was unable to attend one particular hearing as she lived in the Czech republic and could not afford to attend this hearing, he said “why she cannot be here I do not understand, you can fly here for £20 now” I put my hand in the air (to explain this is not true, but was ignored) The real cost was usually around £150 return, plus travel to and from airports and accommodation which was an enormous amount of money to a Czech national on minimum wage. Social services had refused any financial assistance and also the court had refused an interpreter for her despite the fact that she spoke no English and it was her son they were going to take into care.
I also remember clearly a comment addressed to the front bench in a jocular manner on an occasion where the mother was present (no interpreter) , “Will anybody help me clear this Stygian mist?” This was typical of [edited] attitude of supposed superiority attempting to portray himself as an extremely well educated person. How on earth could he expect a Czech national non English speaker to make any sense out of that?
As long as the courts remain closed, recording of proceedings is not allowed and there is no real apparatus in place to Censure or punish bad Judges, cases currently allegedly decided on the basis of balance of probability, will still be decided on the whims of Judges who are far too ready to believe the cut and paste evidence of SW’s, Guardians etc.

I had a family judge transfer into my grandchildren’s dependency case. The other grandma of 2 of the 3 tried to remove them from my care, 2 years after placement. The judge denied that request, but said (to no one in particular) that he didn’t think he could sign the adoption order if I didn’t sign an agreement that she could have visits post adoption. He forced me into giving her visits.
I had to stop them 1 year later because she was doing the opposite of what she agreed to do to get the visits.
Almost 4 years later she’s dragged me back to court twice, the first time I appealed the family court judge’s ruling, & we are waiting for the opinion.
And she just filed a second time. This time asking for the judge (a different one) to give them to her. Based on lies and assumptions. The judge in our department comes from a civil background, where following the law is exactly what they do. No discretion.
So it’s not just family court. It’s the family court judges who are trained to think they know better than parents and get their way by bullying one side or the other.

I’ve been through the family courts several times and am going back through them again regarding my son. To sum it all up after I gave birth to my son in 2010 my mental health started to suffer (Not post natal depression) I left my son with my parents (the home my son was born into) and we got a residency order. Only hell broke loose cafcas made it clear that people like me and my mum who are survivors of child sexual abuse shouldn’t be parents she made it clear my son one way or another would be given to his father and expressed if I had a child on the future she would make sure it was took away from me and her report for the order was dismissed due to the information being presented wasn’t what was requested. Fast forward the years my son has special needs and his professionals requested his father back off so they could focus on him to no avail back through the courts and the tides turned were in the wrong my parents are harmful I’m unstable etc we were ignored in court several times as we had no representation. To add insult to injury when my family relocated with my son back to the northeast my ex husband went for custody we had no choice over the court psychologist that same professional shared the same hotel at exactly the same time as my ex husband for the assessments everything that was said in the assessments was twisted yet the ex smelt of roses and ultimately we lost. Fast forward again my son is 5 years old and tries to disclose something after contacting my local police it was obvious something was wrong I legally held on to my son till courts made a decision and was made to feel I was kidnapping my own child due to previous reports from cafcas. After returning my son it was back to court only this time I was accused of faking the disclosure and seen as a future predator. Due to this NYAS became involved and it was quite clear from her report that my family or deemed harmful yet my ex and his are perfect yet again the date the final orders were made (discovered the same judge who passed my parents residency order passed the current orders) I discovered I was pregnant and due to unforseen circumstances couldn’t be in court either. The orders that were made was that I am to be supervised and my patents have a prohibited steps order. During my pregnancy I didn’t visit my son as per order due to the threats cafcas had made. After my daughter was born I re-established contact and shared my news with my son however after many failed discussions with my ex about better contact as my daughter is nothing to do with him but I want my children to bond we’ve ended up back in court we were there 4th Feb 2019 in front of the same judge who placed the last orders. NYAS again are involved as there is quote serious concerns about my mental health end quote yes i have mental health problems of which i am dealing with them yet there has not and never will be any concerns over my parenting and I have sole custody of my daughter. Yeh when contacted by NYAS one she hadn’t read the court order paperwork that was sent to her as she hadn’t been present in court and two she only wants to see me and my son and then me to assess change along with documents requested etc no mention of seeing me with my daughter I do query how can she assess change and my parenting if she only seeing me with one of my children. To be quite honest the attitude and feeling I get from the proceedings even though I’ve managed to obtain counsel is that the current orders will remain and I will have to choose between my children as I live 200 miles away from my son and to go down for the court ordered visit takes me away from my daughter for 5 days and 4 nights every 6 to 8 weeks how is that fair when everything my son needed was in place for his special needs any health issues were being dealt with all of that stopped the day he got took also my son can’t remember anyone in my family nor any memories he did make that and my son’s had anger therapy in school his hygiene and independence is nil his eating habits awful he’s not eating full meals if he eats at all. He is also deeply encouraged to play on his games consoles playing a game that is inappropriate bare in mind he is 8 and he plays fortnite and has also played world of Warcraft. My son was a child you could never get indoors now hes fearful of the outdoors and yet im deemed the risk I don’t want to uproot him and disrupt his life I just want better access and my family to have access but I don’t have faith in the courts anymore. Can someone please help me or just explain if I’m confused on information. The family courts I have to go to is Oxford I live 200 miles away up in the north east but that’s because my son loves down in Oxfordshire.

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i have so much to say on this topic. i have been submitted to infernal and inacceptable as well as illegal practices by family court with catastrophic outcome. I will gather my thoughts and write a brief as possible comment with details. thanks for this opportunity to speak out about the outrageous and inhuman as well as wrongful child placement consisting finally in the child”s worst interest. I am often too sick and depressed and emotionally destroyed to be able to write a concise and brief account. it is not due to eductational lack or low intelligence, i am an aerospace engineer with an international career, but the post trauma of having my daughter ripped from my arms has sent me spiralling into a a miasma of helplessness out of shock and repressed anger…more details soon, if anybody is really reading this…

As an aerospace engineer you would have to be quite intelligent but even bright people can be broken down via the right kind of malice and Cruelty.
Your traumatic experience resulting from the Corrupt family courts is merely a raindrop in a vast ocean of Parents who have suffered the same fate.
The hope is that all Parents will one day see Justice for what has been perpetrated against their families.

My case started when the wife of my cousin, [edited], relative of my mother, wrote an infactual letter and placed it in my confidential family history stored at South [edited] archives. This caused a false case by [edited] ss and led to all my children being abused by ss and my daughter adopted. Now my mother has died they have tried to falsify her will. So we are caught in an embezzlement case. The whole court& judicial system is flawed by criminals if this behaviour is allowed to continue.

I suffered the same experience. The lay Magistrate pre-judged the case before the hearing. My barrister was constantly harangued, and I was threatened with all kinds of consequences and punishments if I refused to comply to orders that they had no right to make . The Magistrate was overstepping legal protocol, and behaving in a very bullying, intimidating, and discriminatory way compared to how she treated the father. Sadly, I hear that these experiences are common place for mothers

That’s what they did to our oldest whilst at a meeting with local authorities all because I wouldn’t go to a mother and baby unit miles away from family and my partner wasn’t aloud to come with me when I think back they told me to leave her at my nan’s whilst we attended the meeting I feel for those children and the poor parents

The only solution to these outrages is “Abolition of social workers and the family courts and replacing them by police and criminal courts to deal with all cases of child cruelty”
That is how it used to be before 1948 .
That is what we all should be campaigning for !

Disgusting how they treat others all because they are as they like as upper class than us rest of us lower class, they legal services for social care paid a judge to take my boy and now he been through alsorts and they will not get away I will make sure he gets back home to me

I am dealing with this now. CPS literally said she went against federal law and said it’s okay the judge won’t let me on case and taken my two girls and told my wife that she needs to divorce me if she wants her girls back and that she needs to lie on the stand about a document. The judge said she didnt care what I could prove she didnt want me in her courtroom

Yes , I agree to all of the people here. My was a lady judge in Manchester courts. The first word she said in the very first hearing 5 years back ‘ When I said that I am a domestic violence victim’ is ‘ No abuse happened’. It was without listening to any evidence, without knowing the facts. And even when I wanted to present the facts she said we are moving forward and not looking back.
Then a court order was made which father of child was not following it and even damaged my property door but police did not logged anything properly and judge was angry at me for taking the contact off. I was completely without any guidance and then I came to know the kind of dv I went through is a criminal offence and investigation begin. But due to lack of evidence my case did not went to cps so judge persue her decision. I was not wilfully agreeing to 50/50 custody as my ex was using my child aged 6 against me . But at some point she threatened me that if I do not agree ‘ I won’t be seeing my child again or custody will be given to father. When my barrister said this time that I should agree as otherwise I will loose child then judge wrote in order that I wilfully agreed, which is not a truth.
Secondly by the end of the court hearing my ex was married with one child and my son started being harassed by step mum. Still he’s been ignored as all the professionals involved manipulated my and child’s word and always said that my son wants to see his dad although he was denying it.
Now last year my son was physically abused by step mum badly and MARAC got involved. They themselves ask me to take the child contact off and assured me that I won’t be in trouble for doing so as they will give evidence. After asking 5 times they did not gave me anything in writing. And now when cafcass was involved they have given rubbish evidence and cafcass has said the I am alienating my son and ordered section 37 report.
Whatever I say goes against me. I was sending child after injuries too to dad then social services were angry and now cafcass is angry that I have not sent the child.
Both ways I am at the edge of loosing my son.

This thread is for MPs and government to read if, then I have a humble request that I need help with this soon and I have no support.
My next hearing is in May and social worker is not responding well when I call her or leave msg. which is another issue.
Professionals lie at a 100% rate here ass none of the interviews are voice recorded.

How you can help me and everyone here?

They have even kept my son’s indian passport and did not let me go to see my family since 6 years. I ask for permission to go to india and they wrote in order that I threatened them to leave the country.

This is exactly what happened to me dad didn’t even turn up to the final hearing I did but was bullied into agreeing to a care order for all 4 children rather than my youngest daughter be adopted out! They promised me the world if I did 5 things my children will be returning home as the care order was not forever, 3 years later ive done all that was asked and more off my own back. All statements used were here say to sexual exploitation of my children from people that carried vendettas from years before to travel with children in boots of cars and false passports. Still no factual evidence because it was all lies!! So there isn’t any but it just shows the extent people will go to for money, egos, targets ect I will never stop fighting for my children.

Reading this article I can remember that day in court like yesterday scared, frightened feeling so vulnerable with everyone of them there all against me I believe they all made there minds up before I even entered the room with my barrister telling me to take a negotiation. If I knew then what I know now I would never of took there negotiations. This shouldn’t be ok or excepted by anyone I actually trusted everything I was told but how wrong was I??

Yes I got bullied by Medway social services made to agree a section 20 then a year later the judge made me agree to not withdrawing s20 without the judge permission again insead of an interm care order my cash is shocking currently 3 children wrongfully kidnapped by the local authority

I was very unfairly treated by a Sheriff (Judge at Edinburgh Court) as he did not hear what I had to say so my case was never handled fairly. The Sheriff allowed a community interpreter for the other party and this interpreter lied and used the community and social services against me.

The judge in Barnet family court give professionals too many chances to get away with lying and deceiving. My comments were not heard by the judge and the judge made her mind up her mind up after hearing the lies from social worker to have my child taken away into foster care. What if the judges child was taken away, how would the judge feel then? The whole system is falling apart. The judge in this case was corrupted for sure

It’s a query that you mentioned this will be read by judges and politicians.
I want to ask :
Have they read so many posts now.
There are only few here but people are filled in uk with such experiences….. To know join dv groups uk
Domestic violence help group uk
Domestic violence group uk
And many more…
What I mean to ask is we also need updation who read these posts and what is the decision and action they are planning to take. It is very important for us to know that our voice is being heard…..

I don’t need support for domestic violence…. As I have spoken to so many professionals and it’s not very helpful due every professional has a limitations and inadequacy.
I myself is a dv group administrator who helps people to advice on dv if necessary.
All we need is to be heard in terms of family courts and professionals involved as specially cafcass’s role, I believe, is a demon’s role in family courts and nothing more than a drama. Cafcass needed to be banned from family courts.
Even social workers role is extremely objectionable.
Eg. Cafcass been made guardian for children but manipulates the words of children. Then children are made the party in proceedings and provided a solicitor by court. But these solicitors would have never spoken to children personally and not even seen their faces as for them guardian is the child. Such guardian who doesn’t want to bring the words of the children as it is and twists them as per their wishes not the child’s wishes.

Yes, the judge in my care proceedings was really bad asking “who are you to put your child’s mental health above his education” I was absolutely gobsmacked because a child who wants to die, to not exist at all is not going to learn a damn thing without his educational setting being closely examined. No body cares. She had made up her mind from falsified reports and that was that. Its been nearly a year but we are each stronger and ready to challenge LA. In care 14 months and still no EHCP – cp manager said he would not get one for being autistic. She got angry when I mentioned SENDCoP, Autism Act, Disability Discrimination Act, like I was making excuses – er no, it’s law and you will comply.

Im a grandmother who was bullied by socail services Barrister and the judge had no empathy at all and my solicter and Barrister were not goos at all.
Family court must work with families and have an eqeal trail .⁰

I wasn’t even permitted to speak during my hearings in Family Court. My solicitor and/or barrister spoke on my behalf. I wished to contest some of the allegations made against me by the social worker in her reports, but was advised not toappear confrontational as it would be held against me!

I feel that I was bullied by the social workers, my solicitor and the CAFCASS childrens guardian who, I can see in retrospect, were not on my side at all. I was told to agree to everything and not make waves.

The entire child Protection system is broken and parents are being set up to fail.

I hope if Nigel Farage does become the next prime minister that he will overlook the family courts and look at all those that have the children that have been stolen by the local authority and do something about it as about time someone put a stop to this forced adoption and the local authority stealing innocent children from innocent parents and stop using their disabilities against them all we done was love our 2 oldest Girls were removed all because we didn’t have an stable home the judge asked as social worker manager how long will it take us to get act together she she said years supposed to months so she lied under oath 6 months later we got to keep my 3rd child and according to [edited] local authority our two oldest girls were adopted in [edited] 2004 yet we did not get invited to any adoption hearing or received any paperwork from [edited] County Court or any other County Court don’t still to this day we have still no proof of them being adopted back in 2016 we have a court hearing with a high court judge a barrister wanted to question their social worker but judge gave the social worker permission to leave the court me and my wife was not even allowed to give evidence or be cross-examined they used stuff off our Facebook against us saying we promised her a quad bike a Mini Moto saying we promise her a quad bike a mini moto and a Pony we did not bother Reading the evidence as the evidence we had we thought was strong enough for the judge to let them come home so the stuff they used off of Facebook was all lysed as we had all that stuff I know Facebook which was hours kind regards [edited]

I was the same in [edited] family courts I had my son and he was taken straight off me and now he’s been adopted out because they were going in my past when I got abused when was younger and than I had my daughter they found a mother and baby unit and was to slow
In going to court so the place got token and haven’t offered me another one either they just took her when she was born the judge ordered the removal and haven’t gave me a chance and made a placement order to put my daughter up for adoption y haven’t I had a chance of being a mum all because I was sexually abused when I was 9 and I have learning difficulties my Solicitor didn’t even fight my case he just allowed the case go to court and the social services won

Corruption at its finest I too am faced with these issues in Scotland the meant to be professionals have ignored me disclosing chills abuse to my three children by their so called dad and that being ignored and then I appear to be negligent but again when ur children are being psychologically groomed by a meant to be trusted adult again I look bad even though states coercive control In the falsified reports – I’m now studying law due to the severe let down and corruption Witt the ones meant to adhere to any disclosure of abuse especially when concerns children this was ignored and still to date as my oldest was carrying out tasks his dad was manipulating him to do to make me look negligent – again the illegal practices of so called professionals I will ensure are struck of for professional gross negligence breaching all human rights including my children’s equality discrimination my case is solid due to my papertrail / social workers are not at all capable of the practices and again more independent people such as safeguarders should be around for to help mothers and children as the corruption in councils and social policies and the way the cover ups and corruption lies in falsified reports is off the chart and shocking malpractices and they failed by my solicotor when handed the grounds I was taken to the reporter for again they are listening to an abusers lies they think I’m a nut job they don’t realise my intelligence is Hugh and my evidence gathered and having to record my son as these professionals ignored the words of my child also ignoring me beg for help nope they handed my kids to be abused and to this date are covering up the lies – me I’ll eradicate each lie with the factual truth the fact they’ve not listened to me report abuse to my kids they say phhh they look fine – where is the help? Independent kiddie snatchers who no one can supersede I find a 25 year old children’s act where a time Served kiddie fiddler and Sex offenders get more contact than me the victim of long term domestic violence and fighting to protect my kids from this harm but again ignored as the corruption and admittance of failures by social work and now my job to prove my facts and I will sue them for to shame them and show them for all that they are they’ve desroyes my and my kids lives moving into the area in 2015 and handed a total idiot when domestic violence is around – why she around me running me into the ground ???? Yea every practice from these so called workers is highly illegal malpractices and never handled as should be followed especially in child protection who hands a stranger abuser historical domestic abuse and assaults on his disclosure and then they say ooops we made a mistake then think I’m that nuts as my abuser told them that and again covered up corruption. And the bosses of West Lothian council social policy are trying to cover up the massive errors made again endangering my children so where is the help for these children and mothers who are wrongly dragged thro the mess when you see foster families required plastered all over – but really it’s these undertrained control freaks non professional idiots – again they so do not deserve a title as they are corrupt and haven’t followed guidelines breached each one and yes I’m saddened that my children’s harm ignored me look negligent and my kids at harm – if I was the one who protected them from abuse why are my kids left to suffer due to sheer stupidity and incompetence basically highly insulted and these social workers need to be highly trained these text book are just not cut out for their roles and needs addressed judges can only go back evidence handed to them but again social work should have evidence HARD EVIDENCE – for the written works simple – sorry they are compulsive liars manipulative have twisted everything making me look bad and the villain looks like the hero and to date yea I’m still abused and my children and ignored massively my all – need to dash the harm caused by these insulting creatures has been resulted in my health problems and I still fight daily to protect my kids and they again make it harder for me to actually get my kids home and safe where they want to be simple how sick

i can confirm the judge made her mind up right at the beginning of my case too this was [edited] from the Swansea family court, I have spend over £30,000 in legal costs, I have tried appeals court, and all other companies I could think of I have all the evedance I just need someone to listern that will not charge £50 per hour, I am £30,000 in debt with no income to cover it, my only way out is death, im tired of living in this corrupt world, feel free to contact me [edited] if you can help me fight my case???!!!

Me and my wife feel the same but it’s all of our kids that are suffering as we have 2 living with us and 2 that don’t we have spent £££ trying to get them back home we don’t even know if they are adopted or not

THE LAW ON ADOPTION:- Adoption is a last resort when nothing else will do !
Orders contemplating non-consensual adoption – care orders with a plan for adoption, placement orders and adoption orders – are “a very extreme thing, a last resort”, only to be made where “nothing else will do”, where “no other course is possible in [the child’s] interests”, they are “the most extreme option”, a “last resort – when all else fails” –Sir James Munby President of the family courts) in Re B:

If the judge does decide that adoption is the ONLY possibility for your child?

Remember that since April 2014
the new section 51A of the Adoption and Children Act 2002, makes provision for applications for contact AFTER an adoption order has been made.
Sometimes the adoption was not finalised and even more often the adoption broke down and the child was handed back into fostercare ! It is up to you to FIND OUT !!

IF YOU APPLY FOR CONTACT THAT IS ALSO A GOOD WAY TO FIND OUT IF YOUR CHILD HAS BEEN ADOPTED OR NOT !
A new report by the British Association Of Social Workers has concluded that children should have contact with their biological families before, during and after adoption proceedings. The country’s leading social work body is also calling on the government to overhaul adoption law in line with this recommendation.

Easy way to find out, apply to the general registry office if in England/Wales for the child’s newer full length birth certificate. A child has this done when they are adopted. If you get refunded your money back or there can be no trace found on record, it will help give you a better idea if there was an adoption done (Adoption order) or not.

That sounds exactly like what they have done to my mother and little brother!!! The article says leave a comment if we can relate, hope it helps my family in finding help and peace in these situations!

It has been known for a long time by those (families) involved in particular that there is widespread corruption within the family courts by the various ‘professionals’ making false claims against loving parents to take their children and the judges allowing it.

Often the way Alan hun. Surely Judge’s know first time round if they got it wrong or not.

The worst kind are the ones who go back on their word ‘re a parent(s) getting their child back home if they manage to jump through yet another hoop I’ll call x,y,z where a verbal agreement was made in Court for this to happen if it was successful.

AND where they leave out in the Judgement (or both the Reserved/Approved Judgement) the FRAUD they found the SW and GAL both very experienced had committed for gain!

The ones who appear to pretend to be on the parent(s) side ‘re the verbal agreement in Court, in a way to suggest they truly are being given a fair chance; because they have tried and deserve a chance and was not proved to be an unfit parent despite being put across as such.

The ones who leave the parent(s) unsure to what grounds exactly a child/ren were forcibly allegedly adopted once so much got proved wrong/just to be hearsay at Court when documents got checked to substantiate as much.

When it’s submitted at Court a false allegation such as a parent(s) failed to arrive at most contact sessions, Judge’s can/do check the contact notes/running sheets to find out.

Still, we see promotions with higher job positions rather than sackings!

A job where baddies get rewarded for wrongful behaviour with false accusations/allegations ruining whole livelihoods even were we to have a public apology!

All these so called forced adoptions are more so forced ALLEGED adoptions until all parents (natural) get to witness seeing/holding a copy of the adoption order and adoption certificate, where it should also be mandatory to prove to said parents if their child could be traced on the adoption register or not. So called AP(s) personal details could be eradicated, so no reason why this could not be done.

Until then, please take it; it could mean you really do maintain PR.

Please, all do go after the child/ren’s newer full length birth certificate. This will help lead you halfway there to finding out and if there is a trace for your child/ren or not because you will get told either way by the GRO (General registry office)

Only with more Cases coming to light where there’s been no trace, errors with names (not just mispelling) will we all stand any chance getting to find out if these so called Adoptions (however they’re dressed up/down) happened or not. It’s all come to light in Ireland and Spain. Now it’s England, Wales and Scotland’s turn.

It takes team effort and commitment to find out and only takes a matter of days by priority service to do this. Thank you.

When i think of it now i laugh to myself. The council layer came over as a little boy teeling tails, you know a tell tale tit. We he went on and on about this innocent parent to the judge, smirking all the time to his council supporters so i intrupted him and said have you got anything good to say about this family, he stuttered didnt know how to reply and sat down. Next day i see him queing to sign into the court , so i tapped him on the back and said I hope your going act more proffeshinal in court today. Well he marched off quick away from me, in court that day he fumbled on everything he said, Alan won the case day

Bullying so often starts the minute you open your door to a sw ..she/he will enter your home on the pretence of giving you support or to assess if there’s any justification from a complaint they’ve received. They enter your home equipped with extensive knowledge of how to manipulate words spoken from a very worried parent which so often starts proceeding ..trained in how and what steps to take to remove the child temporary while further assessments take place which are so often not even related to the reasoning of their initial visit..an unknowledgeable parent is requested to attend meetings which are chaired by a sw ..so often attended by a health visitor a police officer and several other professional parties ..mum and dad have just walked into the lions den not being told any of their rights that they can record the meeting “there is no law to state a parent needs to ask the LA’s permission to record a meeting they are attending” they are not told they can have a legal representative present ..then its onto court where the LA will have their legal team at their side the guardian will have their legal team along with the LA’s paid psychiatrists and psychologists reports and any other hearsay evidence which the judge will not allow to be challenged ..what does the stressed upset parent have to fight these professionals? a solicister who paid by legal aid who is just going through the motions who then instructs a barrister who is only an expert in law who is not equipped with enough knowledge to challenge other professionals in their field ..as i over heard one barrister say “they are not getting away with using their bully boy tactics with me once we are in the courtroom..speaks volumes ..A parent is alienated and very much alone in that courtroom not even allowed the support from family members .. the judge will not allow the mothers independent assessments from psychiatrists & psychologists he often wont allow the tape recorded evidence and certainly bypasses any suggestions the sw fabricated her reports. The judges that do bring to light the unprofessionalism of a sw and fabrication of evidence only stipulate it has no bearing on his/her decision .. in that courtroom sits the scales of justice so for every professional in their field that’s in the court room giving evidence or advice to the sw ..again with the guardian legal advisors and psychiatrist/psychologists and toxicology analysts there should be the same amount of professionals in their field for the parent so the balance of the scales of justice are even and only then will solicisters stop losing cases “how many thousand in the care system? how many been through the care system over the last decade and nobody questioning why solicitors have lost these cases on a mega scale …

Lots of bullying in the family court and I am witness to this. Many many mothers suffer at the hands of bullying judges. But worse still the judges don’t take into account the actual ‘facts and evidence’. Injustice at its worst.

This happened to me…despite numerous complaints I was bullied and maligned by the social worker, [edited] of Sefton Children’s Services who failed to believe I had PTSD after domestic abuse and went out of [edited] way to isolate me from friends and family in what I can only say was a hate campaign. In court, [edited] was neither cross questioned or the evidence examined and I never even got to SPEAK. The judge in this case made her decision based upon his extremely biased and fabricated evidence and I NEVER EVEN GOT TO DEFEND MYSELF. My two year old is now living with a cannabis addict with extreme violent tendencies.

I totally agree they have and continue to get away with mentally torturing families that should of never been apart and the accessibility to try and get some help or even defend yourselves without their stupid opinions which are rubbish in the whole world but in their county halls and private sector it is lethal and affecting the helpless by 10,000s a month and what can we do feel useless and debate online to help through therapy by discussing how we can relate but honestly I would love to know how to stand up and get my family back how we was it’s been pure upset and messups ever since they involved themselves!

Winning a family court case agaist blatant lies, false staments, collouding og my council employees or contractors was not easy, a large lawless cult i was dealing with. Had i not investigated each one involved finding fake social workers even directors running secret child care companies all would have been lost. On my evidence they threw the towel in. But children suffered untold abuse in their care, today they suffer the effects of that trajic moment in their lifes. I still seek justice for all of us for what they criminaly done.

I agree .Criminal courts presume you are innocent until proved guilty.Family courts just go on “likelihood” and judges always believe that social workers are more likely to be accurate and truthful than parents so the verdict is only too often decided from the start

Dr Manhattan, I think you are being too lenient on the Judges. They are educated people, they are not idiots, they see the same “Cut and Paste” so called evidence on a daily basis, many reports are so obviously cut and paste that they get the sex of the child wrong. In my opinion they simply have to be complicit.

Not shure where youre coming from, Too Lenient on the Judges ?
im talking about who they decide to believe. Parents or So-called Professional.
they will always tend to lean towards the word of So-called professional and disregard the evidence of Parents.

Dr Manhattan, my point was that it is not a case of who the judges believe, they can’t be so stupid as to believe the quality of the so-called evidence presented in family courts by social workers etc. therefore they make their decisions in full knowledge that in most cases the evidence presented is at best weak and at worst dam right lies.

I had a court case the other day and social services was meant to have done a section 37 report but for the second time it was not completed but the case still went ahead. Social services has lied about everything they have said about me which i have evidence but i was not allowed to present this evidence in court the judge had already made up his before i even got in the court room and i ended up losing my child i have another court day in a couple of weeks and hope and pray this time i win my child back they gave my child to someone with mental health issues alcohol issues hitting my child not feeding my child but social services dont care about that

BEWARE ,BEWARE ,BEWARE !!
Crooked solicitors and bent barristers who betray you as they work for the SS not for you ! HOW DO YOU TELL WHO THEY ARE????It really is very very easy !!!These treacherous scoundrels gag their own clients and tell them to “work with social services” !(the very same people who make their living taking children and who perhaps took your’s) Yes they stop parents defending themselves and then agree with everything the “SS” demand !
Yes there are a very few “honest lawyers” ;How do you tell who they are? Well, if they promise you to fight the social services every step of the way to keep your children or to get them back and also if they promise to let you speak so that you can make all the points you like (not just let you answer questions!) then you might have hit on a good’un !
If your lawyers gag you SACK THEM ON THE SPOT IN COURT and represent yourself so you can at least defend yourself against the false allegations that are sure to be made against you..If you do not deny what the “SS” say about you the judge will assume that everything they say about you is true !NEVER be gagged!Deny false allegations.

But if the judges are in on the scam of stealing children for the agencies then denying things to these judges aint going to help. its like the Jews of WW2 asking the death camp commander if he can look into why the camp staff are mistreating them.

Me and my husband felt like criminals on the stand,felt it was all one sided,we were denied hard copies and never knew what information local authorities handed into court.
We went in to challenge our failed assessment that was full of lies yet none of this was mentioned by the courts.
I stood up in the stand feeling like a criminal for having a daughter with mental health issues a decade ago,all because social services failed to help me with her.
The judge believed everything for local authorities but we were the liars and that mine and my husbands relationship will probably end because of these proceedings.
The judge settled for possible future harm because I needed help with my daughters mental health 12 years ago.
As a result local authorities won a placement order and full care order for my grandchildren.
4 day trial of hell we felt let down and angry,yet the expect us to work with them for lieing to take our grandkids away for their stupid mistakes of leaving them in a home that was a danger to them because they accepted my daughter ex who was violent in the past to her.
They were happy to leave him with my daughter and grandkids knowing he would hurt them.
But we ate the blame to cover up their mistake.

Im in the prosess of writing a book on victims stories of crimes against them by the social services industry. This judge should have been struck off, but powers to be do nothing and leave victims licking their wounds, never really getting over the trama in their lives.

In my family case the judge had no concerns for my children’s welfare he separated my youngest child who is is 5 from myself and her brother and sister who live with me who are are 10 and 11 sent my daughter to the Republic of Ireland and requested that we had contact none of this has happened we haven’t seen my daughter since July when we seen her in July my daughter was showing signs of sexual abuse and emotional trauma and the judge still let my daughter go no one has helped my family my children and myself have been gone through counselling I have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and yet we still have no help no guidance and my daughter has been left in danger this is the British courts the judge has ordered when the court was going on for me to go to prison is threatened me make sure that I had no help no guidance has traumatised my family in a way that we will never be the same and my baby has been taken away no one knows where she is and this was in a private law case with her dad who she never even knew she met him three times at supervised contact and at that contact my child was crying and screaming to come home and this was all noted by professionals but yet they still gave my child to that man the man is very dangerous and no one is helping my child

Hi I’m from Cardiff and from the beginning of this trial i never had a solicitor as I am the grandmother I wouldn’t be given legal aid . When I applied for custody the Judge asked the barrister in the court to help me with my appeal .. so he did to a certain point only to be working for the people I’m fighting against the social worker [edited] and [edited] council, who has lied from the beginning, I have felt betrayed and my grandchildren are now to be dragged up in a system that has no care for our children . I was confronted by people I never met they were calling me a liar .
It’s overwhelming HHJ. [edited] then read parts of my evidence and this was taken by the same legal team who was representing [edited] and [edited] council the people I’m fighting to get my grandchildren from, can a family court judge do this ?
Let me give evidence to the barrister who is working for the other party’s in the case .
I was made to feel worthless and betrayed by the justice system that is to be law abiding and equal rights to all the people. Not just local authorities.
What can I do now I’ve just been told to leave the party as this know longer concerns me ..the Judge then turns to the clerk to shut me out of the video link . She had already shut my son off from the court because he was emotional and was crying and she told the clerk to shut him down cut his phone line off it was disgusting .
We was never going to get justice for our children they made that clear .