Good points Giorgio. Myself used also Dolphin Smalltalk, even buyed a
PRO version, but.....and I think is a big but, I feel difficult to me
use different flavors, because can't stay on top of the news of each
product.
Currently is hard (to me at least) being aware of all the news only of
Squeak, I can't imagine trying to be up to date with Squeak + VW.
Just my thinking.
Cheers.
2008/3/8, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
> sorry to jump on the list.
> I'm a long time smalltalker, I like Squeak, but I come from VisualSmalltalk,
> and used a lot of commercial smalltalk, actually most of work done on Cincom
> VW.
> Using VW or Squeak or other dialects is a choice, where one decide if paying
> for a commercial product or staying on the opensource, depending on the
> cost/value in his particular case.
> I find really strange that people should be sorry for thinking about using
> a commercial product.
> I want to sell my product, if I think I have advantages on using a
> commercial one, why not? If I think I don't have advantages, then the open
> source version will be fine.
>> If I don't wanna sell the product, but release it free, then both VW and
> squeak are free, so, no question, just use the best, independent to price
> that is zero on both cases. In any case, use smalltalk, whatever you want.
>> ciao
>> Giorgio
>> BTW: the look is not the best reason I have for using visualworks. I really
> like what is possible to do with squeak, in term of less conventional UI.
>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Diogenes Moreira
> <diogenes.moreira at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Yes off course, but, the people out of squeak community don't see with
> good eyes a platform whom don't have tools to make "Common Applications"(
> For me a Morphic Application is good, but the common user have requirements
> like "I wanna my name in the titlebar" )
> >
> > I'm fully agree with you, and don't see any reason to pay to Cincom, but
> the Facts are the Fact, and the common people yet choise VW becouse the
> application's look & feel are more "Common".
> >
> > Please, don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with Squeak.....and I'm wrote
> this mail because I hope It be useful
> > .
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 4:07 PM, John M McIntosh
> <johnmci at smalltalkconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If you are going to use VW the question then is what you have to pay
> cincom if you have a commercial application
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Diogenes Moreira
> <diogenes.moreira at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > HI folks:
> > > >
> > > > In the follow mail, you can see a typical question...and answer...
> > > >
> > > > In my point of view, is very important support projects like Seaside
> or SqueakGTK (with Esteban Lorenzano's Approach) to make Squeak easier and
> more interesting to Newbies and the common people, and the end, the
> Following Question will be a Obviously answer "Squeak"
> > > >
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > From: Diogenes Moreira <diogenes.moreira at gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Newbies] Squeak in commercial projects
> > > > To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions
> about Squeak." <beginners at lists.squeakfoundation.org>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > Obviously, you can.
> > > >
> > > > But, VW have tools and things to make easy the development and deploy.
> > > > Some thing, like UIPaint, don't have your replacement in Squeak, but I
> don't find any stopper to develop in Squeak.
> > > >
> > > > The only point to review is this: Your application always will be in a
> World (Squeak Enviroment),
> > > >
> > > > Here you are some tips.
> > > > First Tip: make 2 images, one for development and other to
> production. In the production Image only load your needed package. When
> finish you development make a file out or use Monticello to export your
> classes to you production image.
> > > > Second Tip: You can package your images like Lukas Reggie do in
> Seaside One lick.
> > > > Third Tip: You can customize the UI in your application like
> mac with Pinesoft package.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM, RENE PLOURDE <realpepe at mac.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a
> > > > > musician and has some ideas for a Music Theory Application and asked
> > > > > if I could build it. The choices seem to be between Squeak and
> > > > > VisualWorks.
> > > > >
> > > > > If one built an application with Squeak are there tools for
> packaging
> > > > > it so that you only ship executables and not the entire development
> > > > > environment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any information you can provide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rene'
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