Voted for McCain, I think Obama wants to do more of what Europe has been doing with the economy in the past decades... and now that Europe is scaling back its more "spread-the-wealth-ish" policies because they aren't sustainable, I don't see how higher taxes and similar policies will help our screwed up economy.

I wouldn't vote on race, I vote on issues, but I'm proud of America for electing a black president. I'm part of a younger generation that never saw the civil rights movement, only read about it in history books, so I'm sure it means more to older generations but it's very cool to see.

Last thoughts: I expected Obama to win, rarely does the same party stay in power for 3 consecutive terms. Now that the democrats are running the show, it will be interesting to see how they handle the responsibility, because the public will be holding them accountable for whatever goes wrong now.

Edit to Drunken Monkey: I tend towards libertarian too, but making fun of Obama for spreading a positive message is comes across as childish to me. Now is the time to get behind Obama as much as conscience allows. I'm going to assume you posted the "hypnobama" as a joke, as I don't think any reasonable people can trust trash like that. Read Aristotle's Art of Rhetoric, if you want a closer look at what Obama does. The man is good at giving speeches, it comes down to that.

I think Obama wants to do more of what Europe has been doing with the economy in the past decades... and now that Europe is scaling back its more "spread-the-wealth-ish" policies because they aren't sustainable, I don't see how higher taxes and similar policies will help our screwed up economy.

Obama actually talked about lower taxes over all (higher on just the top group), but that was before the financial meltdown so it'll be interesting to see what he does now. Trying to save an economy and trying to raise the standard of living might be mutually exclusive, but it'll be interesting to watch him try.

Can't say I understand Libertarians. I mean, it would be an interesting experiment, but if things go wrong when there's lots of government trying to stop things going wrong, I can't for the life of me see how having almost no government would actually result in a better society._________________Art Links Archive -- Artists and Tutorials

Sampster, well thank you for single handedly discrediting the whole 60 pages as "trash" and insulting me indirectly by calling what i post a joke and locking me into being an unreasonable person if i don't adhere to your frame.

The whole point of the document is that he uses abstract feel-good phrases to sell you a box of mystery. In contrast to Ron Paul for instance who spoke about nothing but real solutions to the problems we face today...

Health Care? War in Middle East? These are symptoms of a larger problem. Of a horrendous policy. Of government overrun by interest groups that buy and sell politicians. Obama is one of them. Someone writes his "stance" on issues and then people like you go around and repeat it like parrots to each other while he himself has no fucking clue what his stance is. Which is why he excludes it from his feel good speeches and keeps it abstract.

And since when does "good at giving speeches" qualify one to run a country?

Get behind a positive message of what again? Hope and Change? Change to what? Stand and work together for what? What the fuck is he talking about? Yes we can? Yes we can what? Chop a tree down? Make a pie? I can do that myself. Oh wait is that where you point me to a website that has a pdf of what his solutions might be? I know... since he doesn't actually have to know what the fuck he is peddling neither do you. Our job is to feel good. Yes we can! Black president! YEAH!

And how about you go into that juicy 60 page pie and use logic and reason to argue your point against what that document says?

And here are a few of his plans that should make hair on your neck stand up:

Civilian force that is just as powerful and just as strong and US Military. Oh such a democrat isnt he? I thought we already had this force... its called CIVILIANS. But no this is going to be regulated by federal gov. Kind of like youth brigades were.

Ballistic, i think monorail is a great way to save gas and create a clean transit system. And i don't think any private entity can actually pull it off unless there are state funds going into it. At least not at the moment. Maybe in the future it can be privitized by some industrial giant.

I don't know if i am a libertarian anymore... but they are the closest to my beliefs. Gays have civil union which i am for. Marriage in my view will always be a heterosexual union. Frankly i think its a slippery slope that will lead to my kids being taught an alternative life style that i personally consider a mental disorder._________________"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

Can't say I understand Libertarians. I mean, it would be an interesting experiment, but if things go wrong when there's lots of government trying to stop things going wrong, I can't for the life of me see how having almost no government would actually result in a better society.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean. I think the government trying to stop things from going wrong is all well and good, but when you get such a gigantic system built up I think it loses its efficiency. Given that 'the government' is composed of flawed humans like yourself and myself, it's possible that the government can make things much worse by honestly trying to stop things from going wrong. The whole subprime bubble crisis is arguably the result well-intentioned government regulations. One of the founding fathers said something to the effect that 'we cannot assume we will always have honest/just men to govern us.' When you have corruption that opens a whole new can of worms.
I don't think having "almost no government" would be good. But I don't think libertarians want that, I think they just prefer a more strict interpretation of the constitution that gives the federal entity a more specific amount of power (as opposed to allowing its indefinite expansion).

To everyone else: Seen the new South Park on the election? Yeah I know it's dragging down the level of the conversation but my roommate showed it to me last night and it's amazing.

I voted Obama, No on 8, yes on Monorail, pretty much no on everything else. Propositions are pretty much always tax increases...

Personally, on the Obama standpoint.... I'm a registered Rep, voted for R.P. in the primaries, but I'll be damned if I want Sarah Palin anywhere near the Whitehouse. I might've even voted for McCain if he had a different VP. In the end, my Obama vote was for putting someone in office that people will actually LIKE and be inspired by, instead of the last 8 year's double-trouble.

I've heard a lot about people expecting Obama to start giving out handouts: rebates, reparations, etc.....

I certainly hope that people didn't vote him in for the wrong reasons.

If there's one certainty... I'm sure Obama knows that the first black President will be the last for quite some time if he leans too far left or does something ludicrous like give out reparations (which I would demonstrate AGAINST in about two seconds).

People DO seem to think that the man craps dollar bills, which is disturbing, but other than the gross ignorance I haven't read a single thing about him that would make me question his motives.

Now look how all the bush-era anti-war activists are going to rationilize getting behind the new messiah and his war. I swear i've seen this movie before.

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Oh this is golden... HEY GUYS, THIS TIME ITS OK, BECAUSE YOUR THE ONE SAYS SO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qjCy4ryPJk_________________"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

"Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. They will develop national guidelines for service-learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience."

To every extreme there is an "anti extreme." So for every gullible brainwashed sheep that is oblivious to everything there is a sensationalist freak who thinks that there is a conspiracy on every corner and the hot-dog man is plotting against him.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but you certainly remind me of a kid that I worked with this summer. He watched every crazy thing he could find on Youtube and actively believe it. Among his beliefs:

- The US has a Nazi government.
- The Nazi ideology is good.
- The immigrants should all be deported.
- The dollar is among the weakest currency in the world, having an actual value of a few cents.

It was funny because he was a son of a Russian immigrant, a muslim and a wigger. He couldn't see any contradiction in being a Russian muslim nazi immigrant, listening to gangsta rap and saying that the n***s and immigrants that he worked with were stupid animals.

Personal conclusion:
Take everything with a grain of salt. Stay away from politics. Mind your own business.

You know what? You're trying to goat everyone into an argument right now. It doesn't matter what I might say, you're going to insult my opinion and tell me how wrong I am. You're so anxious to jump down my throat right now you'd probably argue with me if I said the sky is blue.

I'm not going to get into arguments like this on the internet anymore. They solve nothing and just piss people off.

If you want to discuss the topic without resorting to your own sarcastic rhetoric I'd be glad to.

I'll stand by my opinion that right now we need a good leader and someone that will make firm decisions, which is exactly what Obama has been demonstrating in this time before which he's even been sworn in.

(Shiz, I really hope you didn't just call ME a "gullible brainwashed sheep".)

I admit, i have a lot of fun with this stuff. It gives me something to do while i need to take a break from my art and its more fun than browsing the web ildly. And type really fast. However, dude... I respect you having your own opinion and all, but how do you go from being against the Bush MWD war to being for Obama MWD war? Or did you support the previous war? I was under impression we talked about it before but i could be wrong.

I will not jump down your throat, i swear. I wont even reply. Just tell me. Please. How do you rationalize supporting a candidate who is setting up for Iran invasion while he campaigned against the Bush warmonger? Its bewildering to me.

Shizo, i am gonna kick your winese punk ass you fucking commie traitor. I am kidding. I agree with you to a degree.

I also think i am in between somewhere. Although with a lot of energy that a lot of people interprete in their own ways.

I mean, yeah there are videos on youtube that try to prove Bush and Clinton being shape-shifting lizard aliens because of vertical camera shape being reflected in their eyes and looking like a verticle iris. Thats fucking stupid. Enterntaining, but stupid.

I don't agree with minding your own business part. I think when one ignores politics one ends up on the receiving end of it. Doing something about it actually gives you a chance to change things. But its a mindset, your and mine differ.

Btw, i am not religious, a wigger, think that immigrants should be deported (only illegal ones), fascism sickens me as does all dictatorial powers. Dollar has value of only few cents of compared to what it was during gold standard. It has lost a lot of value due to natural inflation, and overprinting in recent times to pay off the debt.

I do take everything with a grain of salt. But when you have a country full of Obamites who were pissing on Bush for waging wars yesterday and are now ready to get behind a new messiah to go to Iran to tackle new W.M.D. i can't really sit here calmly...

So here i am, doing art and writing these messages when i need a break from my work. I am rather ententrained by the reactions btw.

P.S.

I think he did call you that man, you should kick his fucking ass._________________"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

Ok, I'll respond, Max. And I appreciate the fact that you seem to be willing to leave the condescending attitude at the door.

This is how:

I am ideally against war, period. The problem is that it is impossible to be totally against war. If someone hits you, you hit back, or they'll do it again and again. If someone LOOKS like they're going to hit you.... THAT'S the grey area, and where a quick decision is needed.

Was I against the Iraq war when it started? No.

Was I against the Iraq war after FOUR years, BILLIONS of dollars, and the admittance of no exit strategy and faulty intelligence? Yes. Poorly planned, poorly led, and a lie to the American people and the thousands of men and women serving in the middle east.

I think what Obama is saying is "I'm not a President that will bend over and take it." He's got confidence of others to try to win in our own country. The right has been accusing him of soft international policies, and he's telling them it's not the case.

I can't imagine taking charge in the current world climate and NOT trying to establish yourself as a firm leader, can you?

No, but it sounds like a pledge to eliminate Iranian threat by any means necesary. Not really declaration of tough attitude. You sure MWD is there this time? And they are gonna be used to hit US?_________________"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" - Sigmund Freud

I learned that opinions in general change. Yes they do. They were different back then, and they are today. Everyone has them. And they change. So what's the conclusion? Were we wrong back then? So we are right today,...right? Cause we are much more experienced,...right?.....really?

Question yourself everytime in everything you believe as long as you don't need to question yourself anymore because you feel truth in every moment with everything you think, believe and do. If you have reached that point, you should start to question yourself.

Do you know everything about politics? Do you know anything at all? What do you actually know? How can you be sure of something? Is it all a game because people got bored? Well, why isn't it fun then?

If you don't believe yourself, believe in everything you are and everything that is around you, you are still a changing beeing. No truth. Just truth.

Don't talk. Listen! Only when you understand yourself you will be able to understand others. Everyone is right. Noone is right. Don't talk, listen!