The Ultimate Territory Glitch FAQ

rhans

One thing that should be interesting to do would be trying to get 2 3rd party gangs to share one territory and I think is possible to do so in Little Mexico or El Corona. I once managed to take over these territories from Vagos before doing Los Desperados and then I let Ballas take them. After doing Los Desperados the little GSF these territories had gone, but the ballas remained and thus i got VLA mixed with ballas in these territories, but no grove, and even killing some ballas i couldn`t start a war (i think it is because VLA had higher than ballas).

Now I think, if before doing Los Desperados I put some 3rd party gang instead of the ballas, i think that after Los Desperados it will have the 3rd party gang you chose and VLA. And even better, I think that if you put a 3rd party gang there and then let ballas attack there to gain some density as well and after that doing Los Desperados you will have Ballas, VLA and the 3rd party gang you chose.

OrionSR

Yes. The flight glitch can add a density of 1 for any gang and a dealer to any zone that can be glitched if the current density is 0 when the glitch is triggered. My investigations suggest that traveling directly south can systematically add 1 to each gang in a zone (600m per gang, plus 600m each for the dealer and color bytes to traverse a whole zone). Unfortunately is really difficult to map the trigger zones off in remote parts of the ocean, even on PC, and practically impossible to communicate that information to someone playing on PS2.

Glitching turfs by flying off the map is caused by the routine that clears the fog over the map early in the game. Every few seconds the game checks CJ's location and calculates an area of memory that should hold the flag for that block of fog. If it's a new area (flag 0) then it sets the flag to 1 so that part of the map isn't hidden any longer. When CJ's location is outside of normal bounds the calculations for the memory location get way out of range and the game starts to check for flags in the middle of the zone density portion of memory. The map fog memory array is arranged in columns, top to bottom, then left to right. Observing how the map is unfogged should help you understand how to apply your flight glitching more effectively.

rhans

So lets say I have a territory with 10 GSF density and it is glitched after I fly south, after 600m I will have 11 GSF or 1 of other gangs, and keep getting 1 of new gangs every 600m on the same territory?

OrionSR

Not quite. The GSF density won't be changed if it's not 0; bytes that are not 0 are evaluated as previously unfogged, so the density is not changed. It's been a long while, but... assuming zones with gang density 0: when flying directly south, first Ballas get +1 turf, then it switches over to GSF, and finally Vago, then you don't see any other change for a long, long while. It takes 10200 meters to traverse of the bytes of a zone. It's really hard to maintain a steady path with no frame of reference.

rhans

After evaluating the for Ballas, GSF then Vagos more 600m south will start evaluating for 3rd party gangs? Also do you know why flying off gives only 178 territories if there are a total of 378 or 380, not quite sure. Not all territories get unfogged the same way?

OrionSR

For clarification: Map fog sectors describe the 600m squares that obscure the map early in the game. Zone is often synonymous with turf or territory.

The routine that controls the map fog sectors is buried in the engine and I don't think anyone with the proper skills has ever tried to figure out what it's doing, so there's no hard math to describe what's really going on. What we do know is the glitch starts working at one point in memory and ends at another, and this range only includes 170some turfs.

OrionSR

Well... on PC flying north just to the right of the map systematically unfogged the map in reverse sequence (S to N, then E to W). That was kind of interesting, but the glitch doesn't work the same way on PC and PS2. On PC the glitch can only add about a dozen new turfs but can also scramble territory names which can screw up missions (Taxi and Toreno glitches). I've found it very difficult to tell what is going on while doing the flight glitch, even on PC where I can script text messages when variables change and update the map colors while glitching. Um... IIRC, nothing interest happened while traveling north on PS2. Traveling off the map in any direction other than directly north or south leads to apparently random glitches. It's not random though. Repeating the same path will result in the same glitches - so everyone who flies the direct path to Liberty City gets the same glitched turf in Bayside,

At one point I tried to map PS2v1 locations just off shore that would glitch a particular gang into a particular turf. The idea was to be able to use the gang attack exploits (Satchel Trick, Mastermind Glitch, Pomor Maneuver) to put various gangs into unusual turfs without an editor or cheat device codes. Unfortunately I was never able to communicate the method effectively enough to get repeatable results from other players.

OrionSR

It all adds up in the same save branch. Nothing is ever undone or glitched twice. Just keep in mind that each gang in each zone is a separate glitch, and any gang density currently present won't be changed. If you reload a previous save you can experiment with a new save branch. The zone information doesn't leak over from the previously loaded save.

__mako

if more gangs were added with fly glitch on same turf, say ballas, vagos, triad, da nang all with same density and then we used satchel/mastermind glitch, which of these gangs would gain density? All of them?

OrionSR

I forget, sorry. It's been three years since I conducted these experiments and I don't remember some of the finer details. However, the experiments were extensive; there's a reasonably good chance the information you seek is buried somewhere in that topic.

King Andreas

"If I fly east, get Vagos in SUNMA, go there and take it over and then fly east again, will Vagos get a density there again?" - Rhans

The short answer: That can't happen.

The long answer: All territories given to Ballas and Vagos that I took over weren't returned to them upon flying out again.

"If more gangs were added with fly glitch on same turf, say ballas, vagos, triad, da nang all with same density and then we used satchel/mastermind glitch, which of these gangs would gain density? All of them?" - __Mako

The short answer: Nothing can come of this.

The long answer: No matter what, no more than two gangs can inhabit the same territory. Trying to add a third gang will just increase the density of a currently present gang or overwrite the density of a currently present gang. Even using codes can't add a third gang to the same territory.

rhans

After doing this glitch( I have flyed all directions for quite some time) I have seen mafia in SFAIR1, I also saw in Bayside marina. But could you help me by saying where you found gang 9 and 10, because I don't have a tool that let me tell them apart. So far I have seen gang 9 or 10 in SF(territory), VERO4B, FINA or SFDTW5 and JUNIHO. So far which territories do you know to have gang 9 (besides willowfield) and gang 10? Thanks