Well I will be in that boat. I get rammed hard on taxes combined my wife and I are near 300k a year. We have no kids yet she's pregnant. We own three homes two that we rent. So let me tell you about paying taxes. I figure I support about ten deadbeat "insert racial slur here" families a year!

your rental homes are a form of tax shelter (unless you're even more of a dumbass and not depreciating expenses)

the non-homestead property taxes you should be paying on those rentals doesn't go to support the deadbeats - in fact property taxes are a local tax used to fund local municipal government (public safety, etc.), county government, schools and whatever local other taxing authorities might exist like here in SE Michigan the zoo tax, etc.

now that we have that out of the way, I don't give a shit about your supposed 300k gross income - post the actual tax dollar amount you paid in federal and state income taxes.

after doing that, do some googling and figure out how little you contribute to social programs like welfare... nowhere near 10 deadbeats.

exaggeration and hyperbole are great, until someone calls you on the bullshit...

That would be true . . . but it isn't until a majority of the nation agrees with a 3rd party. At that time you will not be throwing your vote away like you currently plan on doing.

Ummm, logic has it that, if you support ANY losing candidate, the net result is your vote being wasted? So lets have everyone agree before the election, that way, there will be no wasted votes???lol Regards, Steve

Ummm, logic has it that, if you support ANY losing candidate, the net result is your vote being wasted? So lets have everyone agree before the election, that way, there will be no wasted votes???lol Regards, Steve

no, logic states that given our current situation of choosing the presumed lesser of two evils, that choosing a hypothetical snowballchanceinhell's 3rd party candidate means that you have done nothing to help prevent the presumed greater of two evils from getting into office.

no, logic states that given our current situation of choosing the presumed lesser of two evils, that choosing a hypothetical snowballchanceinhell's 3rd party candidate means that you have done nothing to help prevent the presumed greater of two evils from getting into office.

Well I will be in that boat. I get rammed hard on taxes combined my wife and I are near 300k a year. We have no kids yet she's pregnant. We own three homes two that we rent. So let me tell you about paying taxes. I figure I support about ten deadbeat "insert racial slur here" families a year!

Nothing you have said made any sense other than your admission that you consider Romney a communist (He couldn't be more capitalist) because your RUSSIAN friend told you so.

So let's just fix this whole thing real quick. Since you and your wife pull in over $300,000 together and you obviously have some desire to seriously cut into that income (based on your belief in Obama and taxing the wealthy) how about you give me $50,000, one of your houses and a monthly allowance of $4000.

I'll be moving home soon and I'll be needing all of those things. I'll let you do that for me in exchange for you casting a ballot to Romney. That way you and your wife will still have JOBS in the next couple of years and you'll also feel your desired effect of having the hell taxed out of you and a chunk of what you worked so hard for taken and given to someone who isn't nearly as well off.

what the fukc socialism koolaid have you been drinking? "most wealthy people screwed over their employees"

instead of paying to put your wife through pharmacy school you should have gone back to school yourself - perhaps even a business school.

for one, most "wealthy people" don't truly have very many employees, they have investments in corporations that have employees. by and large, middle management is forced to view employees as human capitol - or like a machine, assets. you pay them based on the income they can generate - or the losses they can mitigate. period.

if you're a sole proprietorship, small partnership etc., then you can perhaps manage in a "kinder gentler" fashion and take on useless family members, or the like - but then you won't be "rich". in fact you probably are considering throwing in the towel thanks to all of the "tax the rich" bullshit mentality spewing forth from the "I don't want to work, but I need a gucci phone" crowd. Owning/running a business has risk, the reward for that risk is supposed to be profit. Take away that profit, and the doors shut, and joe businessman takes his investment dollars and funnels them into a less risky alternative with a similar return- or perhaps a more riskier alternative with a higher return. they sure as fukc don't decide to go hire more people, or reduce prices on goods sold.

And newsflash - there is no "wealth tax" - there is simply an income tax. the wealthy already have all they need, so they can find legal - yes LEGAL means of finding a tax shelter, and/or off-shoring funds so they escape the jurisdiction of any new intangible/asset tax the commie-pinko's might think of trying to pass.

don't like tax shelters? guess your dumbass doesn't have a 401(k), or a mortgage?

I do have a 401k being most companies don't offer a pension these days. And no I don't have a mortgage on any of my three homes. Just paid off my last home mortgage this month. I save most of my cash. I guess I'm old school but I don't trust banks to hold my cash.

I do have a 401k being most companies don't offer a pension these days. And no I don't have a mortgage on any of my three homes. Just paid off my last home mortgage this month. I save most of my cash. I guess I'm old school but I don't trust banks to hold my cash.

The interweb is not a good place to post stuff like this at times like now...

Hell if your man enough to try to come in my home I'll give you my address. Plus you could never find the cash anyway. And your not that smart steveo proved that lol

hahahaha steveo did not prove shit.. i never said i was going to do shit. but you just told the world you make 300k a year, keep your money at home and all your houses are paid off.. which means your stocking up on cash..
im glad you think your tough guy mentality will keep the scum of this earth from robbing you.

I honestly don't think having a third party is going to make a difference. How can you trust anyone from a third party more than you could trust one of the existing candidates? Are you basing it on what they say? All candidates are not their own person but it is in their best interest to represent their party's interest. All politicians will lie and say whatever is necessary to attain votes.

The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming for someone who hasn't slept or eaten due to working so much. Also I really want to know who all of these wealthy people are who are getting over on people? I have met a lot of wealthy people who work their asses off and put in the type of hours and deal with the stess that average joe can't or won't. I am so sick of everyone's BS about taxing people who are successful. I also want to point out that as much as you can point to one area where lots of "stereotype here" people are you need to consider that 50% of the people on welfare are outside of the heavily populated areas of the state. Welfare is a chronic and cross racial issue that needs to be remedied.

I do have a 401k being most companies don't offer a pension these days. And no I don't have a mortgage on any of my three homes. Just paid off my last home mortgage this month. I save most of my cash. I guess I'm old school but I don't trust banks to hold my cash.

to clarify, a 401(k) is investing tax deferred under the theory that when you do withdraw it at retirement age, it will be when you overall make less money as a retiree and fall under a lower tax bracket. usually those investment funds are managed by people you view as 'wealthy' and/or banks, brokers, fund managers, etc... they don't give you more money if you keep it buried in mason jars in the back yard

Note: those retireee's living off of 401(k) savings accounts currently withdraw "profits" from those accounts as a form of investment income at the ~15&#37; tax bracket. Hrm. Just like Romney earns most of his income. Say it aint so!?! Well it is so. "taxing the shit out of the wealthy" also means taxing the shit out of middle class America that wisely saved for their future retirement years through an investment vehicle like a 401(k) or a qualified 457 plan

tell your Russian friend to move the fukc back home because he doesn't have a clue, and neither do you. make sure you dig up all of the mason jars in the back yard with your savings before you leave...

I honestly don't think having a third party is going to make a difference. How can you trust anyone from a third party more than you could trust one of the existing candidates? Are you basing it on what they say? All candidates are not their own person but it is in their best interest to represent their party's interest. All politicians will lie and say whatever is necessary to attain votes.

The stupidity in this thread is overwhelming for someone who hasn't slept or eaten due to working so much. Also I really want to know who all of these wealthy people are who are getting over on people? I have met a lot of wealthy people who work their asses off and put in the type of hours and deal with the stess that average joe can't or won't. I am so sick of everyone's BS about taxing people who are successful. I also want to point out that as much as you can point to one area where lots of "stereotype here" people are you need to consider that 50% of the people on welfare are outside of the heavily populated areas of the state. Welfare is a chronic and cross racial issue that needs to be remedied.

The initial intent of this was not to advocate a 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It was really intended to express how the leaders need to pull their collective heads out of their asses. They won't do this as long as they think that they are secure in their positions. That it's either going to be a democrat or a republican in office and they will trade back and forth every 4 to 8 years.

Let's equate this to the automotive industry. There was a time when the U.S. was producing "not so great" quality cars. Didn't matter much when the foreign competition was also substandard. When Toyota and others came in and started producing cars of greater quality and efficiency the American automakers had to "put up or shut up". The American automakers did just that. They are now producing excellent quality automobiles. When I started working in the auto industry 18 years ago, we were always looking to Toyota and playing catch-up. Now we lead in quality and we find the foreign companies looking to us for technological innovations and quality.

It's the same thing in politics. They need true competition to bring out the best quality candidates.

The initial intent of this was not to advocate a 3rd or 4th or 5th party. It was really intended to express how the leaders need to pull their collective heads out of their asses. They won't do this as long as they think that they are secure in their positions. That it's either going to be a democrat or a republican in office and they will trade back and forth every 4 to 8 years.

Let's equate this to the automotive industry. There was a time when the U.S. was producing "not so great" quality cars. Didn't matter much when the foreign competition was also substandard. When Toyota and others came in and started producing cars of greater quality and efficiency the American automakers had to "put up or shut up". The American automakers did just that. They are now producing excellent quality automobiles. When I started working in the auto industry 18 years ago, we were always looking to Toyota and playing catch-up. Now we lead in quality and we find the foreign companies looking to us for technological innovations and quality.

It's the same thing in politics. They need true competition to bring out the best quality candidates.