Well in that case we should have seen Anakin slaughtering younglings on-screen because those deaths and their part in Anakin's fall to the dark side are a far more important part of the saga as a whole than losing Chewbacca.

That way, the audience can experience the loss and grief and anger the protagonists feel immediately after their friends death. It leads to emotional connection = good thing. The audience would better understand where the emotional baggage comes from, what is going on in the heads of the protagonists, how they struggle..

Don't you think Chewie not being in the film would be enough to help an audience familiar with him to empathise with Han losing his best friend?
And wouldn't his initial presence followed by an on-screen death not work as well for a younger audience that don't have the same affinity with the character?

I don't see a good storytelling reason to do such a thing off-screen when doing it on-screen is much more effective. And lets face it, storytelling reasons are more important than pleasing some fragment of the fanbase.

Yes they are, and without a good enough story telling reason other than the fact you obviously want the EU over-written without being 100% certain what with, you just want it gone, then you are seeking to please "some fragment of the fanbase", namely yourself, whereas what I am suggesting is an approach that respects the tastes of all sides of fandom and doesn't seek to agitate one "fragment" on behalf of another

If Chewie will be in Ep.7, it means they will publish new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games contradicts with EU. So basically they will say;

"Hey! Forget what you read,they were not real, we TOOK your money and we FOOLED you! But, hey look, there are new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games, all are Canon now! Don't worry, we won't change Continuity again. Please believe us and buy new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games."

Yeah, yeah, i will buy Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games for sure. Bring Chewie from Dead, no problem!

If Chewie will be in Ep.7, it means they will publish new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games contradicts with EU. So basically they will say;

"Hey! Forget what you read,they were not real, we TOOK your money and we FOOLED you! But, hey look, there are new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games, all are Canon now! Don't worry, we won't change Continuity again. Please believe us and buy new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games."

Yeah, yeah, i will buy Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games for sure. Bring Chewie from Dead, no problem!

Isn't that what they did when they filmed the PT? The return of the jedi novel had Vader & Palpatine with no clue who yoda was.

Well in that case we should have seen Anakin slaughtering younglings on-screen because those deaths and their part in Anakin's fall to the dark side are a far more important part of the saga as a whole than losing Chewbacca.

We were shown in the hologramm. GL didn't show it more closely because of rating reasons. Those are important too, I never said they weren't.
Anyway, there were many other scenes were it was made abundantly clear that Anakin had gone over the edge (like the choking scene). Therefore the youngling slaughter was somewhat redundant.

Yes they are, and without a good enough story telling reason other than the fact you obviously want the EU over-written without being 100% certain what with, you just want it gone, then you are seeking to please "some fragment of the fanbase", namely yourself, whereas what I am suggesting is an approach that respects the tastes of all sides of fandom and doesn't seek to agitate one "fragment" on behalf of another

What is a good enough storytelling reason in your eyes? Isn't any storytelling reason already "good enough"?

I don't think it is even possible to respect the tastes of all sides of fandom. Disney needs to think about the general audience too, all kinds of different target groups, etc.

Btw. I am willing to compromise. Put Jade in? Okay, as long as she is well written, even if I don't like her.

Maybe they won't even give us an exact amount of time. Star Wars doesn't exactly use dates. That stuff always comes from outside sources. I highly doubt the movie will actually speak on the matter at all.

So you envision Hamill, Fisher and Ford at 63, 59 and 72 (their approximate ages by the time of VII's filming) respectively playing their characters aged 48, 48 and 59?

Considering how old Guinness and Shaw were, no, not at all, especially considering the benefits Make-up and CGI can offer.

I don't quite understand that response for the following reasons...

Obi-Wan Kenobi was only 5 years older than his character at the time of filming ANH, not 15 so that point would support my argument for 40 years after ROTJ, not your argument for 30 years after.
You then follow consideration of that with "...no, not at all..." which, with proper reading of my comment, implies that you DON'T believe that Episode VII will feature the big three at the ages they will be in 30ABY.
Finally you ask me to consider the benefits of make-up and cgi which WOULD be an argument FOR the actors being able to play younger characters but the sentence initially started out saying the opposite of this.

If Chewie will be in Ep.7, it means they will publish new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games contradicts with EU. So basically they will say;

"Hey! Forget what you read,they were not real, we TOOK your money and we FOOLED you! But, hey look, there are new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games, all are Canon now! Don't worry, we won't change Continuity again. Please believe us and buy new Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games."

Yeah, yeah, i will buy Books/Comics/Toys/Video Games for sure. Bring Chewie from Dead, no problem!

Isn't that what they did when they filmed the PT? The return of the jedi novel had Vader & Palpatine with no clue who yoda was.

It also had Owen as Ben's brother and mother Skywalker surviving into Leia's toddler years.

Let's not forget the original Star Wars novel that said there were multiple Dark Lords of the Sith.

While we're at it, it even contradicted dialogue such as Yoda training Obi-Wan, Anakin as a great starfighter pilot when Ben 1st met him, etc.

Maybe they won't even give us an exact amount of time. Star Wars doesn't exactly use dates. That stuff always comes from outside sources. I highly doubt the movie will actually speak on the matter at all.

Very true, hell, the only flick that indicates how much time has passed between films is AOTC where Anakin sez "It's been ten year since I've seen her, Master". Barring a direct reference to whenever the ST takes place (opening crawl, offhanded line of dialogue that it's been X-amount of years since the Death Star was blown up) I'm sure the ST will be slotted into the official timeline where it most fits at the end of post ROTJ EU / pre Legacy stuff. And if there is a direct reference, the timeline will simply shift.

Chewie is going to be in the movie, alive, with no reference to any death in the books. This is going to happen.

I'm not one for dragging details of the EU into the ST, I think the Vong and Ysalimir should be ignored bar all but the briefest of dialogue references, and I don't want to see EU stories retold on the big screen.

That said though, If the ST deliberately writes off huge chunks of the EU, changing things like the names, age and sex of Vader's grandchildren and ignoring the deaths of Chewie, Mara Jade, Anakin Solo and Jacen/Caedus, then personally, from that point on, I will only consider pre-Disney Star Wars to be relevant.

You might as well get a head start on "only consider[ing] pre-Disney Star Wars to be relevant." right now in the various Episode VII news threads. Because that's going to happen.

Maybe they won't even give us an exact amount of time. Star Wars doesn't exactly use dates. That stuff always comes from outside sources. I highly doubt the movie will actually speak on the matter at all.

Very true, hell, the only flick that indicates how much time has passed between films is AOTC where Anakin sez "It's been ten year since I've seen her, Master". Barring a direct reference to whenever the ST takes place (opening crawl, offhanded line of dialogue that it's been X-amount of years since the Death Star was blown up) I'm sure the ST will be slotted into the official timeline where it most fits at the end of post ROTJ EU / pre Legacy stuff. And if there is a direct reference, the timeline will simply shift.

I'm not one for dragging details of the EU into the ST, I think the Vong and Ysalimir should be ignored bar all but the briefest of dialogue references, and I don't want to see EU stories retold on the big screen.

That said though, If the ST deliberately writes off huge chunks of the EU, changing things like the names, age and sex of Vader's grandchildren and ignoring the deaths of Chewie, Mara Jade, Anakin Solo and Jacen/Caedus, then personally, from that point on, I will only consider pre-Disney Star Wars to be relevant.

I'm a little confused about what you're after here...

On one hand, you want them to ignore the Vong, but then you go on to say that they better keep Chewie dead. If they ignore the Vong's existence for the story, then theoretically, Chewie would still be alive. I know you mentioned something about the briefest of references in dialogue, but come on. Something as HUGE as the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and the resulting terror and loss of life that followed (Chewie's death included) can not simply be written off by one or two lines of dialogue. It had too much of an impact on the galaxy to simply be swept under the rug like that.

With that said, they would probably be better off just writing off the Vong Invasion altogether and to keep Chewie alive and well.

Rectons and guide books and character encyclopedias make the whole thing fit together, awkwardly, ham-fistedly, badly, but they do. The ST probably won't fit the EU timeline, then the EU timeline shifts around to make it fit anyway. That's what it does, it doesn't really spin off and declare things non-canon, etc.

Rectons and guide books and character encyclopedias make the whole thing fit together, awkwardly, ham-fistedly, badly, but they do. The ST probably won't fit the EU timeline, then the EU timeline shifts around to make it fit anyway. That's what it does, it doesn't really spin off and declare things non-canon, etc.

That's why I keep it simple and only worry about what is in the movies. The EU is a world onto itself.

Rectons and guide books and character encyclopedias make the whole thing fit together, awkwardly, ham-fistedly, badly, but they do. The ST probably won't fit the EU timeline, then the EU timeline shifts around to make it fit anyway. That's what it does, it doesn't really spin off and declare things non-canon, etc.

That's what it has done so far. The Sequel Trilogy and the buyout by Disney makes it a whole new ball game.

If in Episode 7, Chewie is alive and Han and Leia have kids not named Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin, then post ROTJ is non-canon in any reasonable persons mind, regardless of the official stance taken by Lucasfilm.

Plus, some things have been declared non-canon, such as Adi Gallia's and Even Piell's deaths. And that's just for a cartoon that has a small percentage of the audience the ST has.

Rectons and guide books and character encyclopedias make the whole thing fit together, awkwardly, ham-fistedly, badly, but they do. The ST probably won't fit the EU timeline, then the EU timeline shifts around to make it fit anyway. That's what it does, it doesn't really spin off and declare things non-canon, etc.

That's what it has done so far. The Sequel Trilogy and the buyout by Disney makes it a whole new ball game.

If in Episode 7, Chewie is alive and Han and Leia have kids not named Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin, then post ROTJ is non-canon in any reasonable persons mind, regardless of the official stance taken by Lucasfilm.

Plus, some things have been declared non-canon, such as Adi Gallia's and Even Piell's deaths. And that's just for a cartoon that has a small percentage of the audience the ST has.

I would actually be more happy with a wacky time-travel / great disturbance in the Force sweeping retcon story (in a spin-off media, obviously) than just stamping "Non-canon!" on it. Like I always get a kick outta "Crisis On Infinite Earths" style "capper" stories to a certain continuity. (Crisis on Infinite Infinities! Crisis on Infinite Chewbaccas! etc.) Heck, even if they still try to cram it all together, I'd read, like "Jania Solo and her Wacky Sequel Trilogy Adventures" novel which would be, like, 300 pages worth of continuity back-flipping. More fun than just *shrug*, not canon.