Gyrfalcon:FormlessOne: Wait - you can still get bail and go home even if you threaten to kill a tenant while armed?

So, when we hear about the dead tenant in a day or so, do you think the cops will just call this "an unavoidable tragedy?"

No, when we hear about the dead landlord in a day or so, we'll learn more about Florida's "Stand Your Ground" laws.

If that was the case, we should've already heard about the dead landlord, as he did break into the tenant's apartment while armed and threaten the tenant's life. No, I think it's going to be a dead tenant, not a dead landlord.

Also, the fact that we can debate this without certainty, because it could go either way, sickens me.

FormlessOne:moothemagiccow: Good thing he was planning to use that gun to rise up against the government, not murder that toddler.

Yeah, we always forget that "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment, in the rush to defend that whole "right to bear arms" part.

I wonder how firearms enthusiasts would react if they were told they could have all of the small arms of just about any type that they wanted, on the condition that they signed up for essentially a homefront military reserve-reserve and registered every firearm (serial number, ammunition type(s) fired so that ammunition could be provided if ever activated) they had. A pseudo-army that could be activated only in literal defense of one's home state or region, couldn't be foreign-deployed unless repelling a foreign force from our soil and pursuing, information for unit organization provided to each militia member, mandatory two-week conference every five years with training and a practice maneuvers, etc, with the caveat that if ever called into service, one would be expected to follow orders without question within the bounds of the established framework, and that UCMJ rules would apply to deserters and those who wouldn't follow rules...

My mom was a reluctant landlady her whole life, we had a small house on the property that was supposed to help pay the mortgage... You can't even imagine the extreme lows tenants can reach. Even though this is in Florida, I'm pretty sure they had it coming. An eviction notice would have served them better tho....

TWX:FormlessOne: moothemagiccow: Good thing he was planning to use that gun to rise up against the government, not murder that toddler.

Yeah, we always forget that "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment, in the rush to defend that whole "right to bear arms" part.

I wonder how firearms enthusiasts would react if they were told they could have all of the small arms of just about any type that they wanted, on the condition that they signed up for essentially a homefront military reserve-reserve and registered every firearm (serial number, ammunition type(s) fired so that ammunition could be provided if ever activated) they had. A pseudo-army that could be activated only in literal defense of one's home state or region, couldn't be foreign-deployed unless repelling a foreign force from our soil and pursuing, information for unit organization provided to each militia member, mandatory two-week conference every five years with training and a practice maneuvers, etc, with the caveat that if ever called into service, one would be expected to follow orders without question within the bounds of the established framework, and that UCMJ rules would apply to deserters and those who wouldn't follow rules...

I wonder how they'd act if they were forced to congregate inside deep pits in the ground with water at the bottom, and could only come up for target practice and a change in uniform once the water levels rose up to the surf- - - - oh. oh, it's a well regulated militia, not a well-regulated militia. It's all becoming clear to me now.

TWX:FormlessOne: moothemagiccow: Good thing he was planning to use that gun to rise up against the government, not murder that toddler.

Yeah, we always forget that "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment, in the rush to defend that whole "right to bear arms" part.

I wonder how firearms enthusiasts would react if they were told they could have all of the small arms of just about any type that they wanted, on the condition that they signed up for essentially a homefront military reserve-reserve and registered every firearm (serial number, ammunition type(s) fired so that ammunition could be provided if ever activated) they had. A pseudo-army that could be activated only in literal defense of one's home state or region, couldn't be foreign-deployed unless repelling a foreign force from our soil and pursuing, information for unit organization provided to each militia member, mandatory two-week conference every five years with training and a practice maneuvers, etc, with the caveat that if ever called into service, one would be expected to follow orders without question within the bounds of the established framework, and that UCMJ rules would apply to deserters and those who wouldn't follow rules...

FormlessOne:moothemagiccow: Good thing he was planning to use that gun to rise up against the government, not murder that toddler.

Yeah, we always forget that "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment, in the rush to defend that whole "right to bear arms" part.

I assume the purpose was for the people to regulate the militia. Keeping it in context and all. That whole constitution thing and bill of rights were written by a group of men who had just led a revolution, overthrowing their government with force. Tree of liberty, blood of patriots and tyrants and whatnot.

A friend of mine and his girlfriend got in an argument with their landlord over giving up their lease of the upper floor of a house. Not sure why, but the landlord ended up on the front landing shooting my friend 3 times, and his GF six times. Both dead. The landlord ended up in a psycho ward.

militia, noun: A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

regulate, verb: Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

Am I off-base to consider a well-regulated militia one that has the ability to activate, has the ability to follow and carry out orders, and can be adequately supplied with ammunition?

Yes; you are assuming that the term "regulated" within the text of the Amendment was not intended to mean "To put or maintain in order".

How then, does one, "put or maintain in order," without control or supervision by means of rules and regulations? More importantly, how does one define in order without the following of rules and regulations?

militia, noun: A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

regulate, verb: Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

Am I off-base to consider a well-regulated militia one that has the ability to activate, has the ability to follow and carry out orders, and can be adequately supplied with ammunition?

Yes; you are assuming that the term "regulated" within the text of the Amendment was not intended to mean "To put or maintain in order".

How then, does one, "put or maintain in order," without control or supervision by means of rules and regulations? More importantly, how does one define in order without the following of rules and regulations?

militia, noun: A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

regulate, verb: Control or supervise (something, esp. a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

Am I off-base to consider a well-regulated militia one that has the ability to activate, has the ability to follow and carry out orders, and can be adequately supplied with ammunition?

Yes; you are assuming that the term "regulated" within the text of the Amendment was not intended to mean "To put or maintain in order".

How then, does one, "put or maintain in order," without control or supervision by means of rules and regulations? More importantly, how does one define in order without the following of rules and regulations?

How can something be regulated without regulations?

Don't anger him, he's a powerful member of the Deer Lobby. We're one Justice away from a Deer Law interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, and at that point....at that point, kiss your hybrid cars goodbye.

TWX:FormlessOne: moothemagiccow: Good thing he was planning to use that gun to rise up against the government, not murder that toddler.

Yeah, we always forget that "well regulated militia" part of the Second Amendment, in the rush to defend that whole "right to bear arms" part.

I wonder how firearms enthusiasts would react if they were told they could have all of the small arms of just about any type that they wanted, on the condition that they signed up for essentially a homefront military reserve-reserve and registered every firearm (serial number, ammunition type(s) fired so that ammunition could be provided if ever activated) they had. A pseudo-army that could be activated only in literal defense of one's home state or region, couldn't be foreign-deployed unless repelling a foreign force from our soil and pursuing, information for unit organization provided to each militia member, mandatory two-week conference every five years with training and a practice maneuvers, etc, with the caveat that if ever called into service, one would be expected to follow orders without question within the bounds of the established framework, and that UCMJ rules would apply to deserters and those who wouldn't follow rules...

Probably not too many, the only argument I ever hear from them is "but my RIGHTS!" Never mind anyone else's rights. Many farkers believe the 2nd amendment should entitle them to rocket launchers and tanks, and anything else that could be considered "arms".