this past week, you know,whenjohnmccainsaidare we or are we not the friends of the syrian people? it was senator kerry who pointed out that, you know, this is a country not unlike many in the region that has so many dimensions to it, not the least of which is what happens, you know, once the various sectarian factions, sunni, shia, drews, et cetera, how do they play out? what happens with the kurds? where are the arms going? where is the money going? and in a way -- sorry, just to finish up the point. in a way this is the obliqueness phyllis is talking about. nobody is going to say look at what has happened with libya. they're not going to say that, obviously. but this is part of the lesson learning mission that soon-to-be secretary kerry is on and needs to be on in order to figure out how do we not be part of the problem anymore. >> that's absolutely right. it's libya we did intervene and syria we are intervening in the sense of we're sending money and helping other people send weapons so it's not like we're sitting by. but in terms of what happened at libya, that has been the l