Here's How Palestine Can Gain The Upper Handhttp://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-palestine-can-gain-the-upper-hand-2011-6/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:44:16 -0400George Friedmanhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e00b344ccd1d52b78010000StrangersTue, 21 Jun 2011 11:05:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e00b344ccd1d52b78010000
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The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim.
Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point.
Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago. It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine.
Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition). Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.
In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e00a7f4ccd1d5cf64050000John YorkTue, 21 Jun 2011 10:17:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e00a7f4ccd1d5cf64050000
If it is ever reached, the current and any other artificial “peace agreement” will be illegitimate before it is ever signed because (1) all people living in Palestine regardless of religion, race, origin, etc. (hereinafter “All People of Palestine”) were never given a choice on how they want their land to be governed, and (2) all contracts signed under duress are null and void.
The biggest problem in Palestine is that the Zionist regime never offered a choice to All People of Palestine on how they want to govern their land because the Zionist regime cannot exist as a democratic entity. If there was ever any democratic process in Palestine, Zionists would have been outvoted and the Zionist regime would have never existed. That is why the Zionist regime is the occupier because it does not offer choice (i.e. democracy), but instead imposes its regime (i.e. occupies). Imagine if Russians would simply occupy a town in the U.S. where they are in significant numbers and attempt to create a Russian state there without giving the rest of the Americans living there a choice. Imagine then if they would try to institute a “peace agreement” that would attempt to legitimize their occupation. The “peace agreement” would logically and legally be illegitimate because the Americans were not given a choice.
Under all countries’ laws, any contract is null and void if it is signed under duress. The current Palestine “peace agreement” process reminds me of The Godfather movie where the mafia boss (i.e. the Zionist regime) made a guy “an offer he could not refuse” by placing a gun (i.e. Zionist conventional and nuclear arsenal) to his head and making him sign the contract. Like the mafia boss’ offer, any “peace agreement” other than the choice for All People of Palestine is a crime, and the contract is legally null and void.
The bottom line is that All People of Palestine never wanted to divide their land into artificial two states the way the occupation and this “peace agreement” attempt to divide it. From the beginning of the Zionist regime to its unavoidable end, All People of Palestine and the region never wanted the Zionist regime and they do not want it even more after all the atrocities the Zionist regime committed. I just cannot believe how the Zionist regime can be so ignorant to think that this or any other “peace agreement” that does not allow people to choose how they want to be governed will last and ensure its people’s survival. The Zionist regime fails to realize that no matter if it succeeds in muscling this “peace agreement” by unspeakable historic coercion tens of millions of moral people around the world will oppose it until it is corrected, and until justice and free choice prevail. Also, ever increasing number of Jewish people are realizing that Zionism is becoming a destructive force for them and are leading the global resistance to it.
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The only solution for a lasting peace is absolute democratic process (that we Americans cherish so passionately) for the entire territory in question, otherwise, the peace will not last. All people who lived there without regard to religion, race, etc. should vote on how they would like their one country to be run. I favor one state solution because two states would only attempt to “legalize” Zionist occupation that will be remembered in history until it is corrected by future large scale conflicts, so no lasting peace will result.
The only issue with the fair democratic process is what to do with all manipulated Jewish people who the Zionist regime imported for decades to increase the Jewish population from around 100,000 to over 5 Million since the start of the occupation. This is obviously an attempt to unjustly manipulate any future democratic process by forcefully increasing the occupier’s population at the expense of others. Any compromise other than the absolute fair democratic process with no manipulated population will be temporary with terrible conflicts looming to correct it in the future.
The truth is that the Zionist regime will not accept any democratic process even if the manipulated Jewish population is included because it cannot exist as a democratic country as Zionists will be outvoted by all others who live there (Zionists were in an infinite minority before the occupation). The Zionist regime can only temporarily exist through the force of its arms as a one people country where only select ones can vote and where different laws apply to different people.
The world must stand up against the Zionist regime by cutting all diplomatic and economic relations with it. Many countries have already stopped all relations with the Zionist regime and others are in the process of doing the same. We Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime through urging our state representatives and senators to do what the rest of the world is doing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df2e6774bd7c89e0b1b0000david singerFri, 10 Jun 2011 23:52:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df2e6774bd7c89e0b1b0000
To James Hovland
You spout a lot of nonsense.
Tha Arabs were offered a State in 1937 by the Peel Commission and in 1947 by the UN. Both were rejected out of hand. Jordan occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem from 1948-1967 with not one Jew living there as they had all been driven out by six invading Arab armies in 1948. Those 19 years could have seen the creation of a Palestinian Arab state with the stroke of an Arab League pen.
Jordan's loss of the West Bank and East Jerusalem followed its ill-fated alliance with Egypt and Syria to wipe Israel off the face of the map.
An Arab West Bank is a pipe dream. It will have to be ultimatey shared with Israel as UN Security Council Resolution 242 stipulates.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df0eb394bd7c8fe3f150000RachelThu, 09 Jun 2011 11:48:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4df0eb394bd7c8fe3f150000
Are you joking about Hamas accepting the two-state solution?!!
The Hamas charter still calls for the destruction of Israel and rockets attacks from Gaza are still the sad norm for Israeli citizens.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def48cf4bd7c8ef062e0000david singerWed, 08 Jun 2011 06:02:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4def48cf4bd7c8ef062e0000
Your lengthy article just happens to omit that Israel has already offered to cede its territorial claims to more than 90% of the West Bank on two occasions - 2001 and 2008.
Both offers were rejected by the Palestinian Authority (PA).
The PA apparently want 100% - and only on their terms. This is not a negotiation. This is madness.
A Palestinian Arab State could have been established in 1937, 1947 and in the 19 years between 1948-1967 when not one Jew lived in the West Bank and East Jerusalem as they all had been driven out by six invading Arab armies.
The PA can hold out now for 100%. The Palestinian Arabs will however be led down the garden path by a new generation of leaders who have learned nothing from their predecessors' rejection and intransigence.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deef425ccd1d5b867180000John KIddWed, 08 Jun 2011 00:01:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deef425ccd1d5b867180000
The Israeli government is reported to be planning to build a 4m high, concrete and steel wall, electrified with 110 volts, to enclose all its boundaries from Eilat in the south up to and around Gaza in the west, then stretching north to enclose the occupied Golan Heights. Thence south-east to take in the West Bank and Jerusalem and finally following the River Jordan back down to Eilat.
This self-imposed, electrified ghetto will guarantee isolation to all those within and keep out Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Bahai, the UN, the EU, NATO, the International Community, the ICC, the IAEA and any and every organization or community that does not subscribe to the Likud agenda.
All imports and exports by sea and road will be banned. Goods and foodstuffs will in future need to be consigned exclusively by air via the Israeli state airline and will require certificates of origin authorised by the new Likud Trading Authority. The only exceptions will be the importation of oil, plutonium, and propaganda materials, which will be free of any restrictions.
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This is a very interesting perspective on the current issue compared to the regular rhetoric heard on both sides regarding prophecies and the likes, and so your outlook is appreciated.
However, while most of the historic accounts are quite accurate, there is much speculation on the political strategies by the parties you mention almost as though the people are thought of as pawns on a chessboard. Understandably, as a CEO, there might be consistency in your opinions politically as there are with the way you run your business, but I think you are over-estimating such groups like the religiously charged Hamas group in particular. Their goal is simple: while Israel exists as an occupying force, it will react and retaliate simply because Israel cannot stand uncontested with their war crimes. Just because Hamas' ruthless responses have worked with regards to exposing Israel's predictability, doesn't necessarily mean that the militant group's intentions were to provide Israel a reason to kill civilians in order to sway international popularity against the Israeli cause.
Not many Arabs personally agree with Hamas' policies, and they have become increasingly more flexible in the recent weeks simply because they are losing significant popularity amongst Palestinians. A recent PCPO Poll found that 13.5% of Palestinians say they would vote for Hamas' Ismael Hanieh as opposed to a massive 55.4% who say they would vote for Fatah's Marwan Barghouthi.
These figures, along with the mounting pressure of the Arab Spring on regimes that have forgotten the power of the voice of their people, have forced Hamas into a position where, by avoiding a potential ousting of their own, have had no choice but to provide a more moderate approach to their policies, at least publicly.
Their own legitimacy is starting to wean, and while they believe there is hypocrisy in dealing with a government that wants them eradicated (as does Israel as well), Hamas have no choice but to end their own stalemate because it is not helping them progress or improve their public relations.
Let’s hope Israel see this too. Sooner rather than later, otherwise Dagan's warning would simply be too late.
Thank you again for an insightful read and you are more than welcome to read my blog posts too: <a href="http://hubofmiddleeastpolitics.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://hubofmiddleeastpolitics.blogspot.com/</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deebd094bd7c87123020000James HovlandTue, 07 Jun 2011 20:06:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4deebd094bd7c87123020000
No provocations required. Without the chaos and confusion of the conflict, the facts on the ground speak for themselves. Coming from a so-called "intelligence firm" the realities of the information war and the propaganda involved shouldn't need to be explained.
What happens when we remove the home-made rockets, F-16s and smart bombs from the equation? What we have left for the world to judge the situation by is... occupation, internationally condemned settlements, and what the world has come to view as apartheid. That might not count for much in closed doors negotiations with Israel's most loyal and obedient ally as the mediator, but at the UN with the world watching it's a very different story. Oh, and by the way, Hamas has already agreed to the two-state solution and has stopped firing rockets.
Peace goes forward as planned.
Recognition at the UN this September will set the legal stage for Palestine, the US and the international community to finally put an end to Israel's internationally condemned settlement expansion. All other attempts have failed, taking down one peace-process after another. These settlements, also know as "facts on the ground", should not be treated as assets that Israel gets to keep, but rather evidence of Israel's contempt for and utter disregard of international law. Appeasement on an issue of this nature has set a very dangerous precedent that needs to be corrected.