If Sandusky never got a HC gig because word was out about his pedophilia, then there are multitudes of people in college football who could have spoken up but didn't

Why not?

Anyone who even had a suspicion of these atrocities is guilty, IMO and many, many many people are keeping their mouths shut ....some likely just to protect their football programs and their own good names

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I grew up with my two closest friends...one played football at tOSU, I played in the ACC and my other best friend played at Penn St...needless to say we have had much discussion about what has transpired at tOSU and at Penn St. My buddy who played at PSU played after Sandusky abrupbtly "retired." And he said this "let me make this perfectly clear...everyone was aware of why Sandusky "retired" and everyone found it odd that he always had children around him...with that said even if all of the deatils weren't entirerly known to everyone outside the program, the entire football staff and admin at PSU needs to be held accountable for what has happened...."

Needless to say he is sick about this. But he also said there isn't any doubt in his mind that Joe Pa and the powers that be knew every detail of what transpired in that shower in 02 and the fact they sat by and did nothing about it makes them every bit as guilty.

And when asked what he meant by "everyone knew".....

According to my buddy who played there he said people knew Sandusky retired for "inappropriate contact with a child" and his assumption is most people played it off as they forced him to retire and figured (hoped) it was an isolated incident.

Fire Marshall Bill wrote:If Sandusky never got a HC gig because word was out about his pedophilia, then there are multitudes of people in college football who could have spoken up but didn't

Why not?

Anyone who even had a suspicion of these atrocities is guilty, IMO and many, many many people are keeping their mouths shut ....some likely just to protect their football programs and their own good names

This is probably the most under scrutinized point in this whole mess. Way too many reports of more than just State College knowing about Sandusky and his rep, yet no similar reports of outsiders demanding info and asking questions, nor refusal to be around him/the program until answers were clarified.

The possible scope of this is mind numbing.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

A reputation is one thing and to the outside world that reputation existed only in terms of his 1998 “No Charges Pressed” event.

No one is going after PSU for 1998-2002, because no one knew for sure. No one knew anything behind guy had some creepy incidents that THE JUSTICE SYSTEM cleared.

Penn State received verification in 2002 that this wasn’t just a creep show, but an actual sexual predator. They are the only people in college football that knew this. That is why they are being targets and people who heard rumors about a non-charged incident are not.

By the letter of the law physical proof (that he was charged for) was discovered in 2002.

The rest is conjecture.

More with the feds involved mayhaps the murder of the prosecutor who disappeared during this time will be reopened, bad enough a government guy gets whacked , but to find out his laptop gets found in a river sans a hardrive is X files worthy .

I won't go so far as to make false accusations, but yeah it is pretty naive to think that nobody (or even just a few people inside & outside of the program) knew of certain things or hadn't at least heard the most accurate versions of rumored stories.

Here's the thing, the stigma that comes with acts and crimes of this nature is too much to be reversed (even through well intention-ed acts of goodness to a community, even with the most sincere efforts by the guilty or accused), let alone be cleared by the law. The stigma alone can keep the reputation alive, fairly or unfairly. Hell that's part of what makes the topic in its most general form so controversial. Like telling a jury to disregard remarks made in testimony on the stand, never gonna happen.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

It seems to me that the only thing missing in 1998 that wasn't there in 2002 is the smoking gun of someone actually witnessing an assault, and that's really only relevant to the cover up charges. But considering that the GJR's account of the '98 accusations included two kids with very similar stories--and at least 3 more victims to be found if anyone had been interested in looking--that, plus one dead/missing DA, I have a really difficult time believing the cover up in '98 was any less bad than the cover up in '02 and that PSU wasn't somehow involved.

Former Pittsburgh Steelers running back and Penn State alum Franco Harris blasted the school's Board of Trustees for its decision to fire Joe Paterno and defended Mike McQueary, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault.

"They really wouldn't give a reason. They're linking the football program to the scandal and, possibly, the cover-up. That's very disturbing to me. I think there should be no more connection to the football program, only in the case that it happened at the football building with an ex-coach. I'm still trying to find out who gave him access to the building, who signed that contract."

One can in no way say that our national obsession with football played a role creating in those crimes. Nor can one say that the subsequent inaction and cover up wasn’t perpetrated in part by the culture that was uniquely that of State College when it came to the perfect storm of a lack of media scrutiny, the cult of personality, big-time finances and wealthy power brokers, and the cloak of hubris that they were somehow different and immune.

Just as a heads up, I assume there's something missing in that sentence above.

ETA: On second thought, maybe I just confused the message of those two sentences? (I can be very anal, but I wasn't trying to share that by pointing out a little typo.)

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My take on this whole mess, in regards to college sports, is that's it's so much different, yet so much the same. And you can take it from Paterno's words after the ax fell. All the "I've given my life to Penn State......I care about Pnn State...."

Which is to the point, he cares about Penn State more than the lives of children. And, while this is the most vile example, it's really the same reasoning college personel use when they turn their head when a player rolls into the athletic lot in a tricked SUV, or has a blind eye to the "ready made" classes that players take.

It's safe to say that if you don't give a shit about the lives of children, you don't give a shit about a fraudulent education, an unsavory booster or anything else.

And Peekers correct on a couple counts, 1. It's horrific, yet not really suprising, and 2. We will overestimate this effect on college sports as a whole. Tremendous (and catastrophic) effect on Penn State. Other colleges, well, you might think they are saying to themselves "I'm gonna walk the line now...." When the reality is more like, "Shit, hope this doesn't cause them to tighten up and nose around here now...."

Or make the whole set of trials a new Nuremburg so fucks like these HS staff and some of these moronic football families get the message that king football < basic human decency.

They ought to hold them in the president's loge at Beaver Stadium broadcast on the jumbotron.

It's why this story keeps getting worse and worse because at almost every turn, no one seems to be acting with any sembleance of responsibility or rationale thought.

The idea that this town loved Sandusky enough to even think about brushing this off makes me sick to my stomach. Actually ill.

I'm tired of hearing about "woe is Penn St." and woe is the area and people. The majority of these people are pond scum. They have allowed football and this insane notion that their community is above any moral reprehension or examination makes me only wish the spotlight bigger on the entire situation. I hope the doors get blown off these sick fuckin people.

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle

noles1 wrote:It's why this story keeps getting worse and worse because at almost every turn, no one seems to be acting with any sembleance of responsibility or rationale thought.

The idea that this town loved Sandusky enough to even think about brushing this off makes me sick to my stomach. Actually ill.

I'm tired of hearing about "woe is Penn St." and woe is the area and people. The majority of these people are pond scum. They have allowed football and this insane notion that their community is above any moral reprehension or examination makes me only wish the spotlight bigger on the entire situation. I hope the doors get blown off these sick fuckin people.

Go on any board and read any Lion fan and it remains clear they still don't get it. I do. You do. It's obvious.

A lawyer for a former Penn State assistant football coach accused of molesting boys says he didn't mean to refer to a gay sex phone line when he said anyone who believes university officials thought his client raped a 10-year-old boy and did little about it should call 1-800-REALITY.

The phrase is one attorney Joseph Amendola says he's used for years to mean "get a life." But the phone number is a sex line for gay and bi-curious men.

This lawyer for Sandusky is insane. Almost like he is trying to lose it.

Sandusky's comments and relating it to football and the 4th qtr.... huh? This guy is likely not only guilty of these crimes but he is one of the stupidest criminals I have ever seen.

McQueary testified today and from the transcripts it would seem he blew the doors off all this. From the sounds of it, he testified to telling everyone and had subsequent meetings with each of the 3. Nothing was done. Curley and Schultz are in a world of trouble. JoePa will probably get out of criminal charges but the damage is done to his legacy. This will last forever.

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle

noles1 wrote:This lawyer for Sandusky is insane. Almost like he is trying to lose it.

Yeah...another example of the horrendous advice Sandusky has been getting from his attorney. Like allowing to give early interviews to Costas and others that resulted in making him look even more horrible than he had already...and confirming him as a serial liar.

Consider too the stunt his attorney pulled the other day when he allowed everyone to believe he was going to participate in the preliminary hearing only to pull out and decline at the last minute just so he could have an audience with the assembled (and info-starved) media. That sorry story is related at this link by Andy McCarthy, (an experienced federal prosecutor and former Asst. US Atty.)

Thought I heard on the radio last night that this same lawyer is now using the "Sandusky was naked with boys in the shower in order to show them the proper way to apply soap"-defense.

I forgot about that prior to posting earlier because so many parts of this story are nearly unimaginable.

My God.

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle

Circumstantial stuff there, but I think we're to the point where only the willfully blind Paterno worshippers and guardians of his legacy (pretend to?)believe he wasn't right in the middle of things in 1998. His top assistant "retired" suddenly at age 55, and the man who oversaw every detail of the program told him at the time he would never become the head coach, but that Paterno was was completely unaware of why that was? C'mon.

"I believe it is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting." H.L. Mencken

danwismar wrote:Circumstantial stuff there, but I think we're to the point where only the willfully blind Paterno worshippers and guardians of his legacy (pretend to?)believe he wasn't right in the middle of things in 1998. His top assistant "retired" suddenly at age 55, and the man who oversaw every detail of the program told him at the time he would never become the head coach, but that Paterno was was completely unaware of why that was? C'mon.

Anyone without fanboy hero worship blinders knows the score. And that swamp still isnt drained of the gators.