I have lightly cleaned the dial, as it was dirty.. the hand placement in the listing hiding the worse of it!! That said, its looking ok... the numbers are faded. May consider getting the dial and hands relumed with a 'toast' colour... may help give some definition.

few more pics of the movement (inc bottom plate)

Love the fact the bottom plate has been finished to such high standard (more so than top?)

As for the movement or case design..... if anyone has any facts/info... happy to hear it.

Re: The other other watch that arrived yesterday... Universal Geneve

The dating of the watch is around 1939/40... from the serial number. I agree the inclusion of Incabloc would be early indeed... IIRC it was introduced in 1936? I guess someone had to be using it....

As for the hands. I honestly dont know. The watch has a military style to it, with these type of hands used during this period! Im not saying they are original (as I dont know), but I dont have any reason to doubt they are.

The dial itself may have been refinished... but I think more likely that and branding (UG) has come off...

Its similar in style to this Wittnauer (hands and style of dial with light outline to the numbers)

Re: The other other watch that arrived yesterday... Universal Geneve

The dating of the watch is around 1939/40... from the serial number. I agree the inclusion of Incabloc would be early indeed... IIRC it was introduced in 1936? I guess someone had to be using it....

Hi - I realized the dating was secure. It was just one of those things I notice. When I am looking at buying I watch and I see the Incabloc I always think to myself post-WWII - but that is really not the case. Good to see one earlier - try to train my mind not to jump to conclusions...

Thanks Horologist007 for the patent date - so much to learn and know in this hobby/passion.

As for the hands. I honestly dont know. The watch has a military style to it, with these type of hands used during this period! Im not saying they are original (as I dont know), but I dont have any reason to doubt they are.

Indeed...I asked because I thought that they clashed a little (color wise more than style) with the second hand. But that could be my monitor as easily as anything else.

I checked out you other post - it seems like you were 3 for 3 with really nice scores in that lot of watches.

Re: The other other watch that arrived yesterday... Universal Geneve

Indeed...I asked because I thought that they clashed a little (color wise more than style) with the second hand. But that could be my monitor as easily as anything else.

Thanks PT, all in all, the lot was not bad at all.

As for the UG... I would agree, if the hands are original, Its likely thats not the original lume. But as I have not seen another like this, I dont really have anything to go on...

Originally Posted by joeuk

Very clean movement a shame about the dial fade, but agree toast (as you said) lume would make it look good again.

Thanks Joe,

I think the case design (with tight fitting inner cuvette) has helped keep the movement tidy... but not the dial. That said, its not uncommon to see this type of metal painted dial, which would have been lumed, looking quite tired and faded. I will consider what to do!