Same Sex Marriage Laws

So many Americans wish to deny homosexuals the same public recognition of partnership, the same penalties and benefits of household status, the same turmoil and bliss of a long haul monogamous pact. Allowing gay marriage, or even civil unions devoid of religious implications, in itself, hurts no one. No physical or social harm derives from such a law. It merely infuriates a part of the population who finds the allowance immoral, even though other than those people knowing homosexuals can and do marry, the act itself will affect them in no other way.

It seems rather ironic too, that in a nation where the divorce rate hovers around 50%, where less and less people tend to marry, and where many believe family to be the backbone of the USA, people actually want to refuse others to be able to join in wedlock.

I think Americans have bigger issues to be concerned about, like the deficit spending of the country. It doesn't take a room full of economists and sociologists to understand the detrimental long term impact this will create. The long term affect of homosexual marriage? Fanatical speculation at best.

“We don't like to kill our unborn; we need them to grow up and fight our wars.”

What Does the Bible Say About Abortion?

Does life begin at conception or later down the 9 month long road? If someone aborts a birth, does she kill a life? What does the Bible say about abortion? At the current state of affairs - who cares? While activists, aggressive protesters outside abortion clinics, politicians, and everyone else bang heads about the issue, it looks as though the people we do know "count" as a life get ignored.

It's sad that the same amount of energy, devotion, and air time does not focus on trying to create better laws and policies to save these lives.

And while on the subject of saving lives, many of the people against abortion support the eye for an eye death penalty. Many more support a government that goes to war for trivial reasons costing hundreds of thousands of lives and displacing thousands of others. These people would prevent the ending of a life before it truly begins, but hold no qualms about ending the lives of who already walk amongst us. Poor medical care due to lack of personal resources and horrible nursing home care also leads to many deaths. It's time for the masses to start worrying about the people already brought into the world and saving them.

Cheating, Unfaithful Politicians

Over the past decade numerous American politicians resigned or rather, fell victim to multiple forces pushing them out of office and ending their careers. Why? Because they cheated on their wives or came out of the closet. I find it ironic that in most of these cases their wives did not push the issue. In fact, their wives stood by their side, just like Hillary stood by Bill in the nineties. Obviously, Americans missed the point.

The wives know about the activities of their husbands. In fact, the wives probably cheat too. Many of these elitist marriages form for the gain of power, status, and money anyway - a long standing tradition in the human history of the ruling classes. A strategy that worked well for Hilary Clinton who almost made it back into the White House. Even in the Kobe Bryant "scandal," his wife supported him through the ordeal. No victim, no foul. The only ones crying murder is the American public, not having anything better to entertain themselves with, not having any car accidents to watch or attempted terrorist threats to worry about.

Consider all the people that cheat on each other, commit adultery, imagine every one of them being crucified on television and blacklisted forever from their professions. The nation would sink into complete chaos. I don't remember ever walking into a job interview and being asked if I ever cheated on my spouse - it's not a qualification for working in this country. As long as politicians (who we all assume lie, cheat, and feed from the hands of lobbyists and interest groups anyway) do their jobs and effectively run the country, it's none of our business what they do in their personal life.

"The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy."

Are you ready to change?

Christians, Republicans, and Hypocrite Democrats need to stop being so concerned about the going ons in America's bedrooms and uteri and more worried about the public domain. The media takes a great deal of fault as well, helping politicians and elites use the politics of morality to distract citizens from concentrating on what matters, from actually improving people's daily lives. Then again, the media simply caters to an audience - aiming for better ratings and higher profits, news stations will dish out whatever gossipy and paltry topics our minds will jump to consume.

So, I guess the change will need to come from within, to put aside a few personal beliefs, so the government and society as a whole can start repairing the real damage that surrounds us.

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"-Mahatma Gandhi

His message and the problems facing America he wishes to fix. Even if he does not get elected, even if he cannot change the system if he does become President of the United States, at least he's filling the media and Internet with the issues that matter.

Income inequality, reforming Wall Street and our financial system, and creating a true living wage

Poverty and child homelessness

Healthcare reform, medication costs, and veteran care

Racial injustice, women's rights, and the rights of the LGBT community

Fair and humane immigration policies

War should be our absolute last option

Money corrupting government, politics, and taking the voice from the American people

Great change is not impossible, it just takes a great collective will :)

"If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.”

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AUTHOR

Warren Samu

6 years agofrom San Diego, CA

ElijahTruth...

I don't know where to start.

You make so many accusations against the motivations of the gay community. Can you back this up? Do you have anything other than speculation that the gay community in general wants to infect the the rest of the population with disease and rape all heterosexuals? Other than bias opinions of religious groups?

That sounds like a very radical and irresponsible agenda to be spreading about another group of people.

Also, "obama" happens to our president, President Obama. You could at least show him the same respect as "Adam and Eve" and capitalize his name. I believe no matter how much you disagree with his political position, you can at least show him the degree of respect he deserves as the elected leader of our country.

I also remember reading statistics that the African American community tends to support homosexuality less than most other social groups. Where are you getting your data?

To equate sin and disease sounds like a dangerous game. Disease for the most part is a physical affliction. Sin is a choice.

If I remember correctly, Americans have the freedom to make unpopular choices and often choices with negative consequences. Gamble, drink alcohol, eat fried fat, disrespect our elected officials, publicly humiliate and spread lies about people we don't like. It's part of the trade-off of liberty - not everyone does what's best for themselves or for others.

Say homosexuals do commit sin (the same sin millions of heterosexuals commit, but I don't hear anyone going after them), then it's their right to do so. Our constitution gives them that right, as consenting adults, as long as they're not breaking the law or harming others (or at least, only harm others who wish to be "harmed").

If people don't like our freedoms, maybe they should move to a more restrictive and oppressive country... like, I don't know, Iran?

ElijahTruth

6 years ago

Hello Ghecko, I received a notification that there were more comments here so stopped by! Tell me where did you get the Image of the statue of liberty holding the cross???? Would like to know!

What some do not realize about the gayness/homosexual agenda is the goal of the nucleus of the movement is the actual symptoms of Sodom! Have you gone by the websites posted in my last comment??? This is an Amazing day for some and a day of sorrow for others, let me copy and paste a comment I made on another site/article! Respect { just a few years back I worked around gays many considered themselves pillars of the gay community, and some thought they could try and know me, while me saying begone, so that is much of their Thoughts on where their rights should lead }

What few understand is they do not just want to be allowed to be gay, they want all infected with the same symptoms they have, and want it to be as in Sodom the judges setting laws to where anyone not gay must be raped, and allow the gays to known them, and is why our Lord is prerparing His retaking of earth, with proof below, first obama, who is helping end many destiny's..

He obama approves/affirms same sex marriage, yet has no right to do so, as oprah proved on her talk show years back, the majority of black men see gay/same sex relations as being normal, and say you can do so and not be gay, shocking black house wives and America! So obamas view does not count, due to him hiself apparently having some time in his life met men in downtown areas, and had normal sex with them!

To view what causes gayness/homosexuality now found by science, yet has been know for many years, go to the about us page on the website at Adam and Eve seed gathering Ministry near the bottom of the page are many discussions and images of the unclean bacterial spirits that cause all unnatural acts of mankind/womankind from drunkenness to drug use, to harlotism to yes homosexuality!

Also go for evidence our Lord the Great Physician who came long ago and told us we all had a disease called sin, go to the Prophecy and the signs page, and therein are the prewritten news events of this day, such as the Japan quake and tidal wave, and the DC/Virginia Beach Virginia quake our Lord Jesus brought on the same day martin luther kings statue was unveiled, as for many more signs that have come and are coming, the listed signs posted more than three years ago and more.... Also go to the Adam and Eve in Action blog for undeniable links and videos... Respect to all of Adam's/God's seed ...

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

6 years agofrom San Diego, CA

Hi John!

Thanks for your comment. I'm not denying what the Bible says about homosexuality, just that those beliefs should not be at the center of our political arena.

Unfortunately, marriage is both a spiritual and state institution.

Our country adheres to the separation of church and state. In this regard, whether same-sex couples should be able to enter a state endorsed union comes down to a simple matter of equality. Outside of the religious debate, there's no reason not to allow them to marry.

At the same time, I do not support the idea that the government should be allowed to force religious congregations to marry same-sex couples. Separation of church and state should also protect religion from government interference with their beliefs, as long as those beliefs do not break any law.

Solution: same-sex marriage for couples recognized by the state, but not by the church. Although, many religious groups, churches, temples, etc around the country do support same-sex marriage and should be allowed to do so in accordance with their beliefs.

That's my personal view... all this aside though...

Our politicians have much bigger issues to worry about and larger problems to solve than whether Dave and Justin, or Ashley and Jen, get married.

-Fixing the financial state of our government

-Fixing our infrastructure

-International trade

-Protecting the country (military)

-Fixing our healthcare system

-Fixing our education system

etc etc etc

All issues that affect a much larger population and will impact us way more than what two consenting adults wish to do with each other in their bedrooms.

John

6 years ago

In the old testament God told Israel to Kill any man found with a Man and woman with a woman and man or woman found with a animal. In the New Testament Paul calls it like it is a sin to be that way. Go read your Bible more you folks that say its ok. The Bible also tells us Life starts in the second of conception. God new each of us in the womb.

elijahtruth

6 years agofrom texas

Some here feel it is a minor thing this abortion issue, our Lord prophesy abortion and birth control while walking to His cross to save thousands unto this very day, In luke 23rd Chapter our Lord spoke of the coming abomination called abortion and BIRTH CONTROL, and spoke the rewards of those who would bring it forth and make it legal, only in this day can mankind keep the womb of woman bear so this is the day/generation in question! These people on this site are so fortunate that their mother and father were not abortion activists, or they could not set complaining on this blog! No greater issue is more important than the stopping of abortion!

Same sex marriage and gayness, the main body of religion speak of the anti-christ as a being that will show up, and take over society, yet what our Lord was speaking of was death/satan/principalities of the air/bacterial microbes that infect all society and cause men and men to prefer the company of man or woman preferring woman, it is so sad the science has now found the cause of homosexuality and all unnatural acts of mankind/womankind, and is exactly what our Lord Jesus Christ foretold!

To those of you using the Bible as a weapon against homosexuality, you are wrong. Homosexuality is not a sin. The Bible is constantly being taken out of context to support anti-gay views. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, Greek temple sex worship, prostitution, pederasty with teen boys, and rape, not homosexuality or two loving consenting adults.

Thats why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will.

This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will.

Sandria Green-Stewart

8 years agofrom Toronto, Canada

thegecko, I must say even though I was raised 'Christian' I do agree with you. We definitely should think of it as human rights. Even though you could say therein lies the contradiction of the abortion debate. It is an individual right to decide - not the government.

Daniel Young

8 years ago

An interesting thing I find is that some don't realize what Law is. Many fail to realize that what men calls 'law' is nothing but man's will (it is abstract; fragile), which though we find to be mostly in favor in protecting the interests and liberty of people, there are some that are "passed" to favor a specific few. Also, observation alone is enough to indicate that man governing makes a mess of all things. Think about this: your opinion becoming 'law'....

....That is generally what all laws are! Opinions/beliefs 'legislated' into having power - power backed up by the people or those who made man's will 'law'.

According to the Bible, Law is God's will (though intangible, it is eternal). Essentially, it is His OPINION -- in all His Holiness -- that dictates what should be determining our conscience, as it is His conscience on matters that makes 'law' Law. Furthermore, being an almighty Being, whose power cannot be surpassed, His Law is backed up by Himself; it is the absolute in Law. Understanding 'absolute law' will render to one an understanding that there is then an absolute moral code, which God calls us to live under.

I would also like to add that, yes, love is the ultimate command. But do not think that though He loves you, He will not condemn you. Proof of this is the scripture John 3:16.

~Daniel Young

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outcultured

9 years ago

And a horse is of course a horse of course.

First, I love the hub.

Second, I am sick of people making comments claiming to know what is and is not a sin. How can you dishonor a church by saying you are married. How can you dishonor God by loving someone- this coming from people who are hating people... What gives. Although I am called to love everyone, including those who hate me, I really feel that if you want to seek self justification by pretending to know the will of God, go to one of those "mega" """churches""" that someone made up to make people feel good about making others feel bad and do your business there. It gets really hard for gay, Christian, taxpayers to live in such a state of hatred and bigotry. After all the greatest commandment is, Love the lord your God and Love one another as you love the Lord. I still love you.

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

9 years agofrom San Diego, CA

"You gotta squeeze a little, squeeze a little

Tease a little more

Easy operator come a knockin' on my door

Sometime, anytime, sugar me sweet

Little miss innocent sugar me, yeah

Take a bottle, shake it up

Break the bubble, break it up

Pour some sugar on me

Ooh, in the name of love

Pour some sugar on me

C'mon fire me up

Pour your sugar on me

Oh, I can't get enough

I'm hot, sticky sweet

From my head to my feet yeah"

Wow, I guess fornication and sugar do go hand in hand... o.O

Jennifer

9 years ago

Firstly- if you believe the state can tell you to get married versus God then the state can grant rights to whomever- but if you believe God is the one who gives you that right then NO ONE needs a license to get married. Secondly- there is life in the blood--as soon as a blood cell is created it is alive- to say a thing is not alive because it is relying on an umbilical chord is ludicrous. SIN IS SIN- let's call a duck a duck- homosexuality is sin, abortion is sin and fornication is sin- and there is a penalty for sin whether man wants to pour sugar all over it or no.

rudeboi565

9 years agofrom Connecticut

Okay, I am not even going to comment on the whole "killing innocent forigners" statement you made initially regarding our "invasion of small countries." But out of curiousity, when did killing terrorists, that want to kill us and anyone else, change to "Innocent forigners?" What I will comment on is you ability to side step (as many liberals do I might add) religion, moral belief, and the status of the country. You want "civil unions?" fine. let them get their medical benefits. My cousin is gay, and he is also christian, and would never dishonor the church by declaring himself "married." Morality comes from teachings of the past. There is no morality in anything you speak. We disagree on all points, but I will never contest your right to say it.

Mogabe, in a theocracy your words would have weight, but here in a democracy religion does not rule the states and morality laws are a function of the government, not the bible. I do not see marriage itself as some self-contained moral unit.

We are quite comfortable living in this Universe, thank you.

Cheers!

Chef Jeff

illustros

9 years agofrom Washington, D.C.

This issue on same-sex marriage is not being dealt appropriately by both its advocates and its oppositions. It just creates noise rather than enlightenment.

It's been a long, long time since we had a newcast that simply reported the facts, without all the opinions and agnedas getting in the way. I laugh at some of the talking heads of both sides who spout opinions as if they were facts.

I also laugh at Right Wing King's comment above - as if the Right isn;t doing the same! We all need to get a grip and discuss these issues, not shout each other down. Great hub, thegecko, and I hope to read more!

Cheers!

Chef Jeff

spiderpam

9 years agofrom USA

I wrote on the topic of gays and gay marriage, we disagree, but you should read it.

mohamedhmm

9 years agofrom USA

I am with the human rights for everyone without harm for the rights of others and the wellness of our community; soon or later:

Not to sound cliche, but I think encouraging "change" was the whole point of the article...

mogabe

9 years ago

The People decide what their Constitution says.

If you don't like it, change it, or go live somewhere else.

God says what is sin; homosexuality and abortion are among the more abominable.

If you don't like that, go to another universe.

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

9 years agofrom San Diego, CA

Hi Dorsi!

Thanks for your comments :)

In response to Prop 8 and democracy... the legal aspect of the entire situation bothers me. I do not think that an amendment should be made with such a small margin, with a simple majority. I definitely believe in protecting the rights of minority populations, and one could argue that almost half of the population did not support what has become the strongest type of Californian law. I do not see that as very representative of what people want or desire.

I do not necessarily like marriage in our legal system in general. It is religious doctrine and I whole heartedly support the seperation of church and state. I would be more in favor of calling all government recognized marriages "civil unions" with no religious strings attached, and leave the practice of marriage to be handled by the proper beacons of faith.

Of course I would go as far as removing "In God We Trust" from our currency, getting rid of "One nation under God" from the pledge of allegiance, or having people pledge on the Bible in court.

As for abortion, I did not state my views. I agree with you, that people should consider and try to take every road possible. Adoption, reaching out to relatives, etc. They should also take every means necessary to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

However, as long as a government wishes to curtail or completely deny the possibility of an abortion, then that government should also take on the burden and responsibility of the life it promises to save. If a governement outlaws abortion it should provide full financial support for the child up and to the point when it would be deemed possible for the mother/parent to resonably and fully take on the role of caregiver. As for children of rape victims etc., the government should also ensure a high quality of life during the upbringing of that child if placed with another family. I think if you take money out of the abortion equation, it doesn't leave much ground to positively argue for the practice other than for medical reasons.

Dorsi Diaz

9 years agofrom The San Francisco Bay Area

I gave you a thumbs up because this is a well written hub. I do however disagree with you on a couple of points. Marriage has been defined as between a man and woman for thousands of years. The problem comes in when a handful of judges comes in and decides to change that definition. It went back to vote and the people have spoken - which is what democracy is all about. I am a Christian however I have many gay friends. Although I may not agree with their lifestyle I still love them, and don't judge their actions.

As for abortion, it can be devastating to the mother and all involved. Sure there are many problems we face as we do life but a baby is a life that needs protecting. Instead of abortion there are kinder and more humane ways to handle it. I experienced it myself so I know what I'm talking about, not just throwing some half baked theory out there. Read my latest chapter on abortion and the consequences of it:

This atricle is a joke catering to you freaking left wing liberals that try to force your views on others!

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

10 years agofrom San Diego, CA

Yeah, but sometimes I wonder... Prop 8 passed after all and I believe mostly for religious reasons. So much for seperation of church and state.

Thanks for the comment!

josephdiego

10 years agofrom Eastern Long Island , New York

Beautiful, beautiful what a wonderful hub, Yeah , I saw the title, and said OMG not another BS topic. I have to agree with you 100%. To me it&rsquo;s like they do this stuff on purpose. It's like the Boxer that distracts you with one arm that he is swinging like crazy, then Knocks you out with the fist you&rsquo;re not looking at. Everybody knows that it's there. But the distraction keeps the focus off of the real danger...Seems like it's all a game, but we seem to be the ones losing. I just don't know.. Thank you for such an outstanding Hub...

Amanda Severn

10 years agofrom UK

Brilliant hub, and well said all round. I'm frankly baffled by some of the stuff that goes on in the States, and I'm so relieved I'm not the only one!

Misha

10 years agofrom DC Area

What a nice surprise!

I came here expecting to see yet another misguided babbling - and how wrong I was! :)

Thanks Thegecko! :)

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

10 years agofrom San Diego, CA

I like Ben :)

Attractive One

10 years ago

Well put. What this country needs is a political party that espouses fiscal responsibility while not trying to control people's personal lives. Republicans will likely only get back on track when they wise up and jettison all those voices among them who clamour for control over other people's personal/private lives.

Was it Ben Franklin who said: He who minds his own business usually has a good one.

Jason Menayan

10 years agofrom San Francisco

I agree with you on just about everything here. I would say maybe it's a California thing, but there are probably people everywhere that agree with this hub.

AUTHOR

Warren Samu

10 years agofrom San Diego, CA

Thanks, just trying to point out what I think many of us feel :)

that one girl

10 years agofrom Washington state

Exactly! What a well-written and well-presented hub. You made some great points.

Marian Swift

10 years agofrom San Francisco Bay Area

Thank you, right on and hallelujah!

Judy Cullins

10 years agofrom La Mesa, CA

Great hub. I happen to agree with you on all counts-we waste time chasing our opinions, thinking we are just reporting facts.

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