Why isn't someone tracking down Sharon's claim that Herman Cain upgraded her room at the Hilton 14 years ago???? Seems to me that if they can de-bunk that claim by her, he is home free as her story will completely crumble. The double standard our people face is unbelievable and highly depressing.

I suspect she was upgraded or she would not have mentioned such a otherwise meaningless factoid. If he did upgrade her room, he probably had some staff person do it - something not at all uncommon, especially where large organizations have special deals with hotels. We use to do that frequently when we had out-of-town visitors with a Company I ran, and I myself have had my reservations upgraded after the fact by businesses with similar special rate deals with hotels without me ever asking them to do it.

It would certainly surprise me if you could, since you’d be committing someone else’s credit card. I’m sure Bialek called the Hilton before she came forward to make sure that her story couldn’t be “verified” by the Hilton.

It’s the key question, and I can’t believe the press didn’t ask it. Are they even looking? One is that I know of: Geraghty at NRO has called the Hilton, but has no answer, at least not yet. The press conference was a FAIL all around. The press and the candidate were both retailing generalities. Specifics like the hotel have to be addressed, and either proven or disproven.

There were plenty of meaningless factoids. She remembers what she was wearing but can’t remember the exact date. And show me a CEO who will (out of the blue) have dinner with an employee who was fired (with just cause, I might add). This busy man, without her making an appointment...if she did it wasn’t through his Administrative Assistant...would somehow make contact with this person. How did she contact him? How likely is it she had his private number? Why the heck would she go to the CEO to get a job back (who wouldn’t be responsible for a low level hires). Anyway, she checks into her room. Did she make contact with him? How? Did she call the NRA? Because I don’t know a CEO who answers his own phone, do you? The point of an AA is to screen him from frivolous things like this. And even if she had contacted him ahead of time wouldn’t he take the time to look at her file? Seriously there are way too many holes here.

Oh, and if I was going to have a little tryst with some trashy little skank, I wouldn’t ask her to service me in a car. I’m going back to the cushy room. There is absolutely no logic to this woman’s story. Did she find this plot in a porn movie or something?

Cindie

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posted on 11/08/2011 3:30:18 PM PST
by gardencatz
(I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)

I doubt records exist or they’d have them, but I don’t see how this is relevant, other than in a very circumstantial sense. Even if he upgraded her room that doesn’t prove he groped her as she claims - the two acts are totally independent.

Hubby was thinking that Herman Cain missed a great opportunity in his press conference this afternoon. When asked about the veracity of his accusers, hubby said that Herman should ask the members of the MSM who were asking the questions, why THEY’RE not doing some investigation of these charges, to discover their veracity, since they clearly don’t trust Cain’s denials.

All true, Cindie, but I still think that critical analysis of the likelihood of her statement won’t be nearly as effective as disproving the hotel claim or some such thing. At this point, someone has to *demonstrate* that she’s lying, not just argue that it’s likely. I know that the burden shouldn’t have to be on Cain, but this is politics and that really is what someone needs to do. The press won’t dig (except for Geraghty at NRO), because they want Cain gone. So they spin and spin (the lazy bums). At the end of the day, Cain doesn’t get off without contrary proof. I hate it, but that’s what he needs.

It is possible because I’ve taken care of things like this for clients under special circumstance. However, you have to provide credit documentation and complete specific forms to do it. If Cain did this himself, he would have had to have provided copies of a credit card, ID, and a signature authorization to make it happen. If the records still exist, it could be easily verified.

I don’t believe someone in his position would ever do something like that or even know how to do it.

Bialek said yesterday that her boyfriend at the time booked the room for her, which I thought was a strange fact to include in her statement. What relevance does that have, whether she booked it or the boyfriend booked it? By the way if it was booked under Bialek’s boyfriend’s name, unless Cain is a mindreader how could he unilaterally upgrade her room? He wouldn’t know the name it was under.

His not upgrading her room does prove one thing - she's a liar, on at least that point. If she fabricated the room upgrade story, it raises a question as to her basic credibility. What else might she be lying about? Everything?

I travel extensively with professional and amateur racing teams. I have never been able to get anything changed in my team supplied room outside of adding my CC information for anything additional than the group paid for the room.

Also, as we check in en-mass we are usually not aware of the room numbers of teammates. When I go to, or call, the front desk to ask for the room of a particular person, they will call from the front desk and hand me the phone or make the connection via switchboard telling me at both that they are not permitted to give me the room number.

If we want to change the rooms in any way, the logistics person must make the call and provide the card number to make any changes.

So from my experience, she is lying and they feel there is no way to cross verify this.

With that said, seeing she has declared bankruptcy two times and recently had an asset seizure ruling set against her, her debtors information is a matter of public record and a very good investigator can track that information down. The only thing missing is the date which all of this was alleged to have happened.

So many things like rental cars, airline tickets (which they have to keep the information because of security practices) the landscape is rich with resources but it won’t be accomplished tomorrow or anytime reasonably soon enough to matter to the primaries.

Turn on mark Levine - she used to work for CBS and people there said she had a ‘reputation’. He’s playing tapes from a morning show from Chicago where people who knew her said she probably went after Cain when the car was parked ...

It would certainly surprise me if you could, since youd be committing someone elses credit card.

This isn't THATout of the ordinary. I don't know how often it happens, but it does happen. A good friend of mine's family owned a Hilton hotel in Arkansas. I went down to New Orleans one Summer on a regular booked room. They found out I was going down there and staying at the Hilton, and voila I had a much nicer room.

I’m not sure how 3rd party reservations work, but if the bf called to reserve a room under Bialek’s name, I think he could still use his credit card. 1997 was before online reservations, could have been thru his travel agent. I just wonder how long Hilton keeps these records. Should be a lengthy period of time but I’m not sure 15 years.

Also, I don’t understand how this woman, unknown to Cain, would call to make a dinner date with him to talk about getting a job. Especially since a branch of the trade association he was running had just fired her.

Years ago I was moving from once city to another. A man I knew in the destination city arranged interviews for me with his client in that city. All of it was done at the client’s offices during the day. IF she called to discuss employment opportunities, why didn’t she meet him at the NRA offices?

Would the hotel even keep records that far back? I don’t know if something like that can be proved. Do the credit card companies even keep credit card records that long? If so you’d have to go through every card he may have had back then, including company cards. Considering how often he was on the road have we even established he was there when she was? Would there be any kind of record of his schedule this many years after he was there? My guess is someone made some attempt to prove her claim (bet reporters were on it like white on rice).

Cindie

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posted on 11/08/2011 4:41:09 PM PST
by gardencatz
(I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)

And show me a CEO who will (out of the blue) have dinner with an employee who was fired (with just cause, I might add).

Ditto that. She was wearing a tattoo on her forehead which said..."trying to entrap the CEO of the firm that just fired me."

Cain has been around the block...he ain't gonna fall for that.

But if you have an authoritative source for her cause for separation, I would like it so I can spread it around. Word is that she was fired for false accusations of "sexy harassment"...but no source of substance has been offered (just that Macsmind blog IIRC).

Just for the heck of it I called Marriott Accounting tonight where I am a preffered member becuase I travel extensively for work. I told them I was dealing with a tax issue covering the years of 1997-1998 (same timeframe as the alleged upgrade at the Hilton). I told them I needed hotel receipts from a series of stays. They said they COULD in fact help me but it would take them up to a week to reserach the records WHICH ARE KEPT THAT FAR BACK!!!! They provided me with instructions on where to send the inquiry etc... So here is my questions, if I could learn that in less than 5 minutes about MArriott, why cant someone at Cain's camp do the same with the Hilton folks???? This is the WAY to totally discredit this woman if in fact she is lying.

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posted on 11/08/2011 6:38:19 PM PST
by dictatorMA
(Allen back up again)

Just for the heck of it I called Marriott Accounting tonight where I am a preffered member becuase I travel extensively for work. I told them I was dealing with a tax issue covering the years of 1997-1998 (same timeframe as the alleged upgrade at the Hilton). I told them I needed hotel receipts from a series of stays. They said they COULD in fact help me but it would take them up to a week to reserach the records WHICH ARE KEPT THAT FAR BACK!!!! They provided me with instructions on where to send the inquiry etc... So here is my questions, if I could learn that in less than 5 minutes about MArriott, why cant someone at Cain's camp do the same with the Hilton folks???? This is the WAY to totally discredit this woman if in fact she is lying.

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posted on 11/08/2011 6:40:17 PM PST
by dictatorMA
(Allen back up again)

Just for the heck of it I called Marriott Accounting tonight where I am a preffered member becuase I travel extensively for work. I told them I was dealing with a tax issue covering the years of 1997-1998 (same timeframe as the alleged upgrade at the Hilton). I told them I needed hotel receipts from a series of stays. They said they COULD in fact help me but it would take them up to a week to reserach the records WHICH ARE KEPT THAT FAR BACK!!!! They provided me with instructions on where to send the inquiry etc... So here is my questions, if I could learn that in less than 5 minutes about MArriott, why cant someone at Cain's camp do the same with the Hilton folks???? This is the WAY to totally discredit this woman if in fact she is lying.

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posted on 11/08/2011 6:40:23 PM PST
by dictatorMA
(Allen back up again)

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