The Masons, particularly the lower ranking 7,000,000 or so, are as much victims as members of Opus Dei.

The "illuminati" are the same elite families of the world, work your way downward from Liz II and all monarch families from there on, whom rely on their Knights, Barons and Lords, whom say are around 150,000 elite 33rd Degree level, whom control around 5,000 Grand Masters, whom in turn keep the Master Masons in line, whom in turn sort out all the other millions of Masonic footsoldiers.

I'm an agnostic borderline atheist, - however I have no objections as to what anyone else wishes to believe in, - if men want to run around with one trouser leg rolled up and a noose around their neck whilst blind folded, then so be it, - many a Mason are good men, though they are just the same as everyone else, as there's nothing special about being able to keep secrets and turn a blind all seeing eye whenever corruption arises.

I have appealled to the fraternity to modernise itself, tear down the curtains within the lodges, - be open about who you are - and part of this modernisation, means we have to move away from circa 1776 not be kept trapped in it. A ban might be a bit too ambitious, though the demand that members of the government and their related bodies should have to declare their involvement with the Freemason’s is not new, and in some cases and professions; ‘voluntary declaration’ is asked, - though who’s policing it, and why volunteer if it’s not a legal requirement?

The crux of the matter is, - and for real transparency to begin to happen, then we the public have the right to know, who is, and who isn’t a member of a secret society whilst working for our governments, and more important, their resignations from either their appointed positions, or their membership from the ‘secret society’, such as the Freemasons.

I/we propose that any member of a secret society, should be banned from also being permitted to be a member of government or its related bodies, i.e. our town halls, the judiciary, military and the police etc. – as it’s without doubt a major conflict of interest.

This currently abhorrent state of affairs where anyone involved in our governments etc. are allowed to be also members of a secret society that require death defying oaths to be sworn, – whereas the blindfolded initiate, and with a dagger held to their heart, swears to be 100% allegiant and committed to the Masonic agenda, – and over and above that of all else.

The potential for corruption and dodgy deals makes a complete mockery of our democracy and justice system.

Our government and its representatives; via our town halls and justices of law must be free from commitment to these highly influential groups if they are expected to maintain a shred of credibility and earn the public’s trust and respect once again.

TAP - I would go further. Every member of a secret society would have to declare it on his business card, and have all his associations eliterated after his name by law. If he gave his name without the relevant letters of all secret societies to which he is a member, he would be fined a substantial amount. It's not only politicians that matter. Trust is crucial to all human relationships. Secret behind-the-scenes societies are a curse.

The societies themselves should be made to publish all the names and addresses of their members. It should be made legal to refuse employment or business based entirely on a person being a member of a secret society.

There must be no more legalised secrecy. It must be eradicated totally. Sorry about the 7,000,000 lower level cowards who hide in the shadows. Let's see you out in the open, you oh so brave men.

The potential for corruption and dodgy deals makes a complete mockery of our democracy and justice system.

Our government and its representatives; via our town halls and justices of law must be free from commitment to these highly influential groups if they are expected to maintain a shred of credibility and earn the public’s trust and respect once again.

There must be no more legalised secrecy. It must be eradicated totally. Let's see you out in the open, you oh so brave men.

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Originally Posted by sofa king

Seeing as there are posters here that are masons, you are calling these posters cowards.

And yet here you are, as a moderator, attacking without provocation.

Do me a favor. Drop the hypocrisy. You are living a conflict of interest yourself. How dare you accuse others while do the same.

I'm not a moderator and i agree 100% with the words in the quote above yours, in this post, which were contained in the original post of "tusme".

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."...is a mantra often touted by members of "Secret Societies" who hide their membership of "Secret Societies" from the vast majority of members of the general public who are not members of "Secret Societies."

By your logic nobody would be able to criticise any group or organisation for fear that there might be members of those groups on this forum.

Is that how you think the forum should be run?

You got him good there.

It's a pretty chilling feeling being exposed to how these people's minds work.... though I doubt there's any 'mind' there as such. They just do as they're told. I wonder how much individuality can exist when one is forced to defend the indefensible day in day out.

The soul probably flees leaving just a kind of robotic reflex which seems like a real person. But really, it's just a mason drone.

The same could be said of college fraternities. And yet virtually all federal politicians in the US belong to such fraternities. Do we outlaw those as well?

If the names and faces of their members are not available for anyone and everyone outside of those "fraternities" to view Yes.

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Originally Posted by zegzy

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."...is a mantra often touted by members of "Secret Societies" who hide their membership of "Secret Societies" from the vast majority of the public who are not members of "Secret Societies."

Members of "College Fraternities" can be classed as "Secret Societies" too if their names and faces are hidden from the public.

It's hard to have respect for anyone that willingly becomes the puppet of others.

This is what two of the most influential freemasons of all time thought of the blue degrees/initiates.

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The Blue Degrees are but the outer court…of the temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretation. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them…The true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd degrees) - Albert Pike

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These good folk swell our numbers and fill our money-box. Set yourselves to work; these gentlemen must be made to nibble at the bait…But this sort of people must always be made to believe that the grade they have reached is the last - Adam Weishaupt