Loads and loads. DOOM used Lemon Grass himself as King Geedorah on Krazy World, Myrtle Leaf's on the same Geedorah album too but I forget which track (still an instrumental on there tho, if memory serves). There are others from the set on there too (Sarsaparilla, Untitled Meditation). Joey Bada$$ used Pennyroyal and Datura Stramonium on 1999. Ghostface's Fishscale has a whole bunch too (Four Thieves Vinegar, Orange Blossoms, Fenugreek, Sumac Berries among them).

This is the type of thing I find super interesting thanks! What about "Monosodium Glutamate" - I swear this is used on another DOOM song but cant recall which?

Anyway, im putting together a playlist on Spotify.

edit: \/\/\/\/ ahhhh yupp, thank you for resolving my brain fart I was thinking Rhinestone Cowboy for some reason but that is a Madlib beat. It's not exactly easy to browse Doom's ridiculously huge catalogue and various monikers

thathonkey fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 17:35

I think there is more than 3 hours of Special Herbs sets, I have quite a few of them and they are all like 20 tracks. I think it comes to like 7 or so hours of beats. And every one of them is amazing.

DOOM is a god who deserves way more attention.

e; RZA used one of his beats called Sasparilla to make You Can't Stop Me Now. I spent like a day wondering where the gently caress I had heard it before realising what it was.

Also, I noticed that DOOM never gets any credit for these beats anywhere in the production or anything like that. So, are these guys just stealing his beats wholesale or are they paying dues somewhere else cause it sounds like they are getting famous off someone elses works. For example, Soul doesn't seem to credit him anywhere.

Doom gets credit when his stuff gets used. You're confusing the samples for the beats. Book of Soul uses a different beat, it just has the same sample.

Loads and loads. DOOM used Lemon Grass himself as King Geedorah on Krazy World, Myrtle Leaf's on the same Geedorah album too but I forget which track (still an instrumental on there tho, if memory serves). There are others from the set on there too (Sarsaparilla, Untitled Meditation). Joey Bada$$ used Pennyroyal and Datura Stramonium on 1999. Ghostface's Fishscale has a whole bunch too (Four Thieves Vinegar, Orange Blossoms, Fenugreek, Sumac Berries among them).

Monster Zero is the instrumental you're thinking of. Other one is Rhymes Like Dimes. Also the names are a bit misleading because a bunch got renamed during the 0-9 special herbs set rerelease.

As an aside, part of the reason Born Like This wasn't better received was because a bunch of the special herbs beats were used on there-dudes who had been following him for awhile already knew them so it gave the album kinda a mixtape feel (the old version, where dudes would just grab other beats to rhyme over). The stuff on the Neruvian project were some of the first original Doom beats I've heard in like 15 years (outside of the random Trunks EP which wasn't even released, and I'm not sure was even handled by Doom outside of the song he pulled from the Gheedora album)

As for the attention he receives, I'm pretty sure he's not lacking, given the fact that he never really "broke" through. He was one of the indie rap dudes who still had a lot of credibility with dudes who preferred more "street" oriented stuff. Also you see tons of younger dudes still naming him as an influence and talking about his music (not to mention most of the 90's throwback dudes all hopping on his beats).

His career is kinda odd, because he had a super-productive period and right when he seemed to be about to at least get some minor mainstream attention, dude just kinda disappeared (that's also when the doomposters started showing up at his shows). He did the DangerDoom album for adult swim (when Danger Mouse was still big from "Crazy"), and was on all sorts of stuff for Adult Swim. There was talk of Madvillain 2, the Ghost/Doom project, all sorts of stuff. But instead there was just nothing, and he kinda disappeared. There were lots of rumors about him being near-death and I don't think there was ever any interview or story where he really said why he quit making stuff for that period.

Dude's always been my fav rap guy and I'd put his stuff up against any one else in rap in terms of quality or w/e.

Also in the old thread I made a giant Doom post about where to start with his stuff and w/e if anyone wants to go looking. I may do another if people want that cause the old thread's probably archives now.

alansmithee fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 16:40

To me the drums laid over the sample on Book of Soul and Burdock Root that creates "the beat" is very similar if not identical though. Even if it is technically a different beat they employ the sample in the exact same fashion It's one of those gray area things that comes with the territory I guess.

Also in the old thread I made a giant Doom post about where to start with his stuff and w/e if anyone wants to go looking. I may do another if people want that cause the old thread's probably archives now.

Yeah, I remember that because I asked for it.

And yeah, Burdock Root and Book of Soul are almost exactly identical. I would be mega pissed if I heard some guy made something so close to something I already did without at least dropping an influence mention.

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alansmithee posted:

For production work, I'd go with King Geedorah and MF Grimm-Downfall of Ibllys. He's rapping on some of the stuff on there (and I Hear Voices pt. 1 on the Grimm album is actually just a Doom track from one of the singles for Op: Doomsday) but it's mostly other dudes rapping. Geedorah also has the track I mentioned before with that Trunks dude, so you may wanna try tracking down the EP he did.

Victor Vaughn album is pretty good as well-it's Doom over other people's beats. The last couple tracks kinda aren't up to the same standards but the rest is really top notch. You could make a case some of his best rhyming is on there. He also did (or was somehow involved with, not sure exactly how "official" it was) a VV 2 album which I think actually has a lot better production than the first, but way less Doom raps (he pretty much shits on the project in his opening verse on the intro).

As I said Born Like This is way better than people give credit for-most dudes at the time were sour on it because the production was so old if you'd been following Doom's stuff and it kinda dropped with no fanfare after he disappeared or whatever (also prior to that was when he first started sending imposters to his shows so people were kinda salty). The beats mostly weren't rapped over before (some had been, but mostly not) but since all the Doom stuff was on special herbs and I think the only other production was Dilla stuff from Donuts, it wasn't exactly new.

JJ Doom had like 1 song on it I really liked, just didn't seem to mesh well. Mouse and the Mask is kinda interesting if you like the early era Adult Swim stuff and/or really wanna listen to Doom make raps about anything but is largely skippable. The Unexpected Guests album gets a bunch of his singles/appearances and is decent but tbh it's missing some of my fav songs/features of his (Mic Line, off the Monsta Island Czars cd which was mostly bad besides that song). It's also missing some of his earlier stuff, but the "KMD" (Kurious and another random dude Doom was supposedly gonna make a new KMD album with [another of the many rumored-but-never-seen Doom projects a la Madvillainy 2 & the Ghost collab-this was from like 2000 so it's not something exactly new with him]) track Sorcerors is on there, which is really nice. The Count Bass D track is also cool (he might be the only industry dude who doesn't have bad poo poo to say about Doom fwiw). If you really want more, there's also the MF EP which has Grimm/Doom tracks (and if you like any of that, I can elaborate on Grimm who's not as good but has also had an interesting career, with some great to ok music). That's most of his stuff covered, as I said there's also some random features that are good but not "necessary" unless you're a real completist (I remember a song he did on one of the Prefuse albums was decent, and another I've not tracked down in awhile with Aesop and some other dude that i got on a random CD-R, for instance)

Hope that helps

Another Person fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 17:32

Gibbs throwing his no-name homies on tracks is interesting. They aren't nearly as good as him or really all that interesting, but fresh voices (in the case of whoever the first guy is on this track) and smooth flows with some new Gibbs are all good.

I bought a ticket to see the Deniro Farrar / Denzel Curry tour later this week, have any goons caught them coming through their towns and can tell me what the setlist was like? Did Denzel play anything from prior to Nostalgic 64?

Gibbs throwing his no-name homies on tracks is interesting. They aren't nearly as good as him or really all that interesting, but fresh voices (in the case of whoever the first guy is on this track) and smooth flows with some new Gibbs are all good.

What G-Unit had was HUNGER. It oozed out of every track they did. Listen to their first albums/mixtapes and the obvious effort put into them. Few came in as hard as they did and did it consistently. Yes it's different now but they're still pretty good and the reunion has seemed to reinvigorate 50's creativity.

They are easily the best rap group out right now though? Black Hippy doesn't do anything, A$AP Mob had an awful mixtap and can't even put together another project, and Odd Future...well...

All the one-off songs they've released since getting back together has been awesome and Beauty of Independence was really good. 50 can still hold his own, Banks never fell off, Young Buck makes Flocka and Meek mill sound like they're on tranquilizers, Yayo is still one of the most entertaining hype men and rappers ever, and Kidd Kidd has stepped it up considerably. One of the best groups ever.

I bought it until you started complimenting Yayo. Like, one of the major reasons Beg For Mercy is the best they'll ever do is Yayo being in jail. He's okay being on like 1-2 songs an album.

the three man Banks-50-Buck dynamic is just right in terms of balance anyway. I admit it sounded cool as a kid that one week where it seemed like Game was gonna be part of G-Unit...but it probably would've gotten crowded.

Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at Oct 14, 2014 around 01:59

Game will never be part of G-Unit again because it's way deeper than rap. He aligned himself with Jimmy Henchman who had Yayo's moms house shot up and the same guy that got Pac shot in 94. (edit: I misread your post and thought you said you thought Game was gonna be back when they reunited. Yeah it either could have been too crowded or made them easily the biggest rap group of the 2000s even though they pretty much already were)

Do any US rapper use UK Grime beats? I always thought those were perfect for freestyles.

Google 'street bass compilations' and you'll find a whole shitload of albums by the label Seclusiasis. They are basically putting grime-ish instrumentals under rap with varying success.https://soundcloud.com/streetbassbo...es-turnin-headz
For example^ I put that song in a mix I did, its very heavy.