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they have a lot of vids. Im sure they would be happy to talk to you also

I work for none of the above.

but please take your time. this should be the last machine you get. make sure you get the matching level grinder.

slurp slurp.

I'm on night 2 of no sleep :) As far as grinders go, do you have any thoughts on the Ceado E37? I'm a sucker for heavy duty housing and minimal plastic parts and this grinder looks be built like a tank.

looks interesting. get your grinder at the same place you get the machine. I also went doserless as i thought less to clean. and clean is very important. i got the Compac K3. Im very happy with it. its a tiny chore to clean but no big deal. what I have perfectly suits me. it might not suit others.

the question you have to ask yourself is " for me the perfect espresso is ... " leave yourself a little room to get a system that costs a little more than you thought you would spend.

dont think for a minute that 10 K will make a better cup than the stuff I have or you are considering. there is the 'hand of the barrista' which is the limiting step.

Roast your own? .....

Im sure ChrisCoffee ande Seatle Coffee gear will have a matching grinder for you.. dont get more grinder than machine. if you buy both at the same place you will save a great deal of Moooola. and might even get free shipping.

take your time. the two places are not the only ones that sell great stuff. if you decided after talking to both places many times on the machine and the grinder, shop around. you might find them else were but dont change your mind after youve made up your mind unless you have good reason to

Just keep in mind that the Expobars have pretty large footprint. I ordered a direct plumbed Office and it wouldn't fit under my cabinets.

The non-plummable is only 15" high which should fit under most standard cabinets. Not sure I want to go through hiring a plumber to route a water line up through our counter-tops

Yeah, I hear you, but its not that hard, you can get John Guest kits that allow you to tap into the water at the sink and run a 1/4 plastic line to the machine, very DIY. Plumbed is a major convenience.

As far as no need for PID on an HX, I would agree that there's no "need" but my experience (PID'd Oscar) was that it was less hassle, more reliable , and more easily adjustable than a pstat. YMMV