tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post116313339862589185..comments2014-09-16T17:14:40.095-04:00Comments on Dan Shanoff: RRRRUUUUTTTTGGGGEEEERRRRSSSS!Where Do I Rank 'Em? (How 'Bout No. 2?)Dan Shanoffnoreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163260952148729012006-11-11T11:02:00.000-05:002006-11-11T11:02:00.000-05:00hey, i've been liking rutgers all season...don't o...hey, i've been liking rutgers all season...don't overhype it and spoil it for me!!xcdannonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00373415182091507496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163189098248502082006-11-10T15:04:00.000-05:002006-11-10T15:04:00.000-05:00john (ann arbor, mi),I agree with your points that...john (ann arbor, mi),<BR/><BR/>I agree with your points that obviously Louisville has a weak D and Rice is also puttin these numbers up against the Big East and obviously we all can't agree what that means. But my point is you can tell what a stud player he is by watching him play. Everyone could see how good Tomlinson was when he was at TCU despite the inferior talent he was playing against. <BR/><BR/>Basically, I just wanted to give Rice props and I think he deserves to be in the top 3 roght now in the Heisman race and could steal it with a big performance in a win vs WV. People do get bored of a one-man race and I think voters could get excited and vote for a late run by a great athlete who performs big in late games (see Charles Woodson coming late to beat Peyton).slaskarishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01397113886860334235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163188621644566542006-11-10T14:57:00.000-05:002006-11-10T14:57:00.000-05:00Hey, solomonrex...too bad it isn't that easy to "r...Hey, solomonrex...too bad it isn't that easy to "rake in Google Dollars" or I would be a millionaire over at my blog...You stay classy, Dan.<BR/><BR/>PS - Everyone is railing against a rematch if OSU and Michigan is close - what if Ohio State and Texas play again. Personally, I am against any rematch in the title game.Vincehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16872540522957779689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163182557187001302006-11-10T13:15:00.000-05:002006-11-10T13:15:00.000-05:00I think we're all missing the important point here...I think we're all missing the important point here: my ASU Sun Devils are the last team to defeat Rutgers, so ASU obviously must be ranked ahead of Rutgers. Oh wait, that's right, we suck this year. Oh well. We can still cling to our claim of being the last team to beat Rutgers (as weird as that sounds to be a good thing).Timhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15334926902238695230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163180310526824922006-11-10T12:38:00.000-05:002006-11-10T12:38:00.000-05:00NYC-Stillers Fan,Totally with you about the deafen...NYC-Stillers Fan,<BR/><BR/>Totally with you about the deafening OSU-Michigan noise, but to say nobody in the conference gave them legit upset threats just isn't right.<BR/><BR/>Two losses are still two losses for Penn State, but our 1st-year QB has his head out of his behind against the Bucks (in their house) and that 14-6 score wouldn't have been 28-6. Horseshoes and hand grenades aside, taking Michigan deep into the 4th quarter, having to rely on a 3rd string QB due to U of M's very impressive D, also belies your theory.<BR/><BR/>Trust me, I know it's tough living with Cowher's apparent decision to toughen up Roethlisberger with some Ls in his column, but try not to let it cloud your judgment.EPorvaznikhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16690979561368489711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163178959605161602006-11-10T12:15:00.000-05:002006-11-10T12:15:00.000-05:00John of Ann Arbor,my complaint is with anyone who ...John of Ann Arbor,<BR/>my complaint is with anyone who thinks UMich and OhioSU are so good that not only should they be ranked 1 and 2 now, they should be that way after the 18th, and who discount the fact that other conferences may in fact be just as tough, if not tougher than the Big10. <BR/>I hear your argument that a good conference should have teams that are capable of upsetting the top-tier teams, which is the same as my argument. The Big10 is down this year, though. It is impossible to tell if OSU and Michigan would both be undefeated headed into the Nov 18 matchup if they played in the SEC (I frankly don't believe they would). <BR/><BR/>At any rate, they are two good teams, but I get pissed off by fans of theirs who don't think that there are good teams in the other conferences. <BR/><BR/>This is the best year for Big East football ever (including back in the day when VaTech and Miami were actually in the conference and doing well). But everyone is beating up on them, and saying they don't deserve it, but I swear to F'en god, if they were named Miami or VaTech, there would not be the same problem. So I say, good riddance to the hurricanes and Hokies, and we're developing new versions of good football programs, and they're in the shitty ACC, which is the conference people should be beating up on this year. If Rutgers finished undefeated, they should be afforded the same measure of respect as if they were the hurricanes (back when they were marauding through an even worse Big East) or the sooners or cornhuskers (back when they were playing one tough game a year as a bonafide play-in game to the Orange Bowl in what was, more often than any other bowl, a de facto natl chamionship game). The current system is better, but if Rutgers doesn't get in, it sucks. I'm with chrth, I want an all-scarlet NCS if Rutgers wins out (which I am on record as saying I don't think they will, because I think WVU beats them, but that shouldn't diminish the fact that this season has shown that Big East Football is back, better than ever!).nyc-steelers fanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15712184926356540038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163178718532807832006-11-10T12:11:00.000-05:002006-11-10T12:11:00.000-05:00I too am hoping for Rutgers to win out and not jus...I too am hoping for Rutgers to win out and not just b/c I grew up in NJ and have lots of friends who went to RU and suffered through a generation of awful sports. I think it'd be great if Rutgers was 12-0 and yet only about 6th in the BCS, which is where I think they'd be. No way they'll jump ahead of the SEC one-lossers, etc. I'm not even ready to make the argument that Rutgers deserves to be compared to teams like Florida, Auburn, Michigan, OSU, etc.... but if you run the table is a supposed BCS conference, you deserve a shot. <BR/><BR/>Like so many, I am rooting for the BCS to take it up the pooper.J Moneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16798810348178611227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163177391681387402006-11-10T11:49:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:49:00.000-05:00nyc-steelers:The thing about playing in a real con...nyc-steelers:<BR/><BR/>The thing about playing in a real conference is that every team can give you a run at an upset. Maybe most Big Ten teams are out of the Top 25, but few of them belong outside of the Top, say, 50.<BR/><BR/>If you can have a bad week, and have a hard time putting away, say, East Carolina in Week 4, or Cincy in Week 7, or UConn in Week 10, it's to your great disadvantage to play 8 or 9 games per year against teams that can each beat you, if you have a real bad day against them. (Don't even mention <A HREF="http://draconnery.blogspot.com/2006/11/almost-losing-to-ball-state-not.html" REL="nofollow">Ball State</A>, either.)<BR/><BR/>And I contend that almost all of the Big Ten teams can say that (especially, um, Wisconsin?). No, they're not beating everybody week in and week out (would be impossible for all of them to do so, anyway), but they are certainly able to give good teams a run at an upset any given Saturday, which is what you were complaining about anyway.<BR/>In the College Football season, the challenge is to prove that you're consistent. If you want it to mean anything, it ought to be mostly against teams that can beat good teams at least once in a while.john (ann arbor, mi)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16358370226095549102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163176596147852192006-11-10T11:36:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:36:00.000-05:00RuTgErS iZ tHe BeZt tEAm EvaR!!!!!!!quick, look to...RuTgErS iZ tHe BeZt tEAm EvaR!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>quick, look to the east, the second coming of Christ... oh wait, thats just rutgers winning one great game in school history.<BR/><BR/>anoint them!anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14081850597589618432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163176251188840952006-11-10T11:30:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:30:00.000-05:00slaskaris -If you watched the WVU game last week a...slaskaris -<BR/><BR/>If you watched the WVU game last week as well, you know how Louisville loves to let RBs right through. Similarly, Rice is the third-leading rusher, [having played a bunch of Big East teams].<BR/><BR/>I'm half-sold on Rice, I was impressed with the guy, but I think if you put (say) Mike Hart, even with Rutgers' line in front of him, against UL, he runs for 131 or more, too.<BR/><BR/>But, I mean, this was a very big, very clutch performance. I don't want to take too much away from Rice, but I think Heisman frontrunner is pushing it (unless you're factoring in the inertia/team-not-individual points that are keeping Smith and Quinn at the top right now. In which case, sure, why not let somebody else have a turn at the top, since nobody is really going out there and taking it?).john (ann arbor, mi)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16358370226095549102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163175821779960182006-11-10T11:23:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:23:00.000-05:00mike (Re: "Louisville should have been #2 last wee...mike (Re: "Louisville should have been #2 last week") -<BR/><BR/>... since when has that logic ever been used by anyone except D.S. for ranking teams? Ever?<BR/><BR/>It's not "just put some teams in order, leave out the situations which will sort themselves out later on." Ask Oregon State if you don't need to worry about where a team is ranked, since they'll get their due after beating a top-3 team. (I know that's a ridiculous comparison, but the point is, your logic is... all I can come up with is, cancerous.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>"face it"? Sorry, boss. Your point is far too nonsensical to use a tone like that.<BR/><BR/>Besides, what in the blue fuck do you want from me? I had just admitted that Dan's logic was excusable (i was excusing it, anyway), though stupid.<BR/><BR/>Also, your math is spectacular. UL beat <I>the old</I> #3... so they should be... #2. Just like Michigan should have been #1 after beating the old #2 (I'm not griping about Michigan's ranking throughout the season, I'm pointing out how stupid your argument is). How could you act like a team should jump the team ranked <I>above</I> the team they beat? What kind of system is this?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, great post. Keep it up, slugger.john (ann arbor, mi)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16358370226095549102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163175500285920732006-11-10T11:18:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:18:00.000-05:00"also i find the Rice thing like Woah! he had a bu..."also i find the Rice thing like Woah! he had a bunch of yards on Louisville's run D??? When has that happend before???"<BR/><BR/>- I knew last night that someone would say Rice only looked impressive because of the Cards D being weak. One problem, Rice is the third leading rusher in the NCAA. Besides, anybody watching that game realized just how talented and dominate that kid is - I'm with DS on this guy!!!slaskarishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01397113886860334235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163175470554357612006-11-10T11:17:00.001-05:002006-11-10T11:17:00.001-05:00actually, I have seen where Troy Smith is consider...actually, I have seen where Troy Smith is considered a decent pro prospect at QB. Not that that matters.rafaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09578916176866494787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163175427934196002006-11-10T11:17:00.000-05:002006-11-10T11:17:00.000-05:00Cool - I must have missed that. Thanks for the in...Cool - I must have missed that. Thanks for the info.<BR/><BR/>Proving once again, that when it's all said and done, I have no idea what I'm talking about.Big Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17927858314078069482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163171012122992622006-11-10T10:03:00.000-05:002006-11-10T10:03:00.000-05:00@big d:"NCAA Associate Director for Playing Rules ...@big d:<BR/><BR/>"NCAA Associate Director for Playing Rules Administration Ty Halpin said that, by rule, Penn State could have accepted a 5-yard penalty where it ended up with the ball."<BR/><BR/>Since they had got the ball at the 5, they traded the clock for the possible field position.ChrThhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09416426166006021790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163170894563492022006-11-10T10:01:00.000-05:002006-11-10T10:01:00.000-05:00wonki~ When did you graduate? My cousins are als...wonki~ When did you graduate? My cousins are also alum and one was at the game with his wife last night. That would have been insane to experience that!<BR/><BR/>I slept through the second half and woke up to my husband saying "Jen! Jen! Rutgers just won!!" <BR/><BR/>I think it was great. I was pulling for them to knock Louisville off their high horse.jenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04201013604925494268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163170744533756622006-11-10T09:59:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:59:00.000-05:00Quick note on my last comment, obviously the winne...Quick note on my last comment, obviously the winner of the OSU-Michigan game will be worthy of going to the title game, I'm just saying.<BR/><BR/>I'll give OSU the respect, but they are beatable. Michigan is good, but still.kmv9http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464637235384987585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163170673784637462006-11-10T09:57:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:57:00.000-05:00The problem is that most experts (and non-experts ...The problem is that most experts (and non-experts like Shanoff) had Louisville (and West Virginia) way overrated to begin with.Geoff-Detroithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07488815333470936808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163170615514554722006-11-10T09:56:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:56:00.000-05:00RU - Respect Us.Here's something for you to chew o...RU - Respect Us.<BR/><BR/>Here's something for you to chew on. Some of you are saying Rutgers has barely beat some of their opponents, so they're not worthy of a high ranking.<BR/><BR/>Well IF Rutgers beats WVU in a few weeks, they have to be a top 5 team. BIIIIIG IF, because sports is a crazy world. Rutgers will have won games against 2 legit top 15 teams.<BR/><BR/>Ohio State IF they beat michigan, will have 2 wins over top 10 teams, and noone else is ranked... i think.<BR/><BR/>Michigan? What have they really done? They beat Notre Dame you say? Well isn't everyone saying Notre Dame is waaaaay overrated?<BR/><BR/>I think Rutgers is getting the shaft because they've sucked for years on end. That was then, this is now.<BR/><BR/>RU - Respect Us.kmv9http://www.blogger.com/profile/02464637235384987585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163170237301715282006-11-10T09:50:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:50:00.000-05:00@ chrth:"Because then Louisville would decline the...<I>@ chrth:<BR/>"Because then Louisville would decline the penalty on the offsides. Wisconsin didn't force the clock to run down, the opponent allowed it to (after a horrible runback) by not declining the penalty."</I><BR/><BR/>Thought penalties on the kicking team on a kickoff couldn't be declined? I mean, Wisco did it twice before finally launching a normal kickoff. And considering it was JoePa and Penn State on the other sideline, I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that he would know the rule and decline the penalty.<BR/><BR/>Didn't end up mattering anyway, but just imagin if that kid takes <I>another</I> one back 100+ yards?Big Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17927858314078069482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163169511340066212006-11-10T09:38:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:38:00.000-05:00my freshman year Rutgers was 0-11 and it hurt deep...my freshman year Rutgers was 0-11 and it hurt deep. Sweet redemption last night, even sweeter rushing the field as an alum who can still jump down 8 feet off a fence. To the naysayers, Louisville has one of the most prolific offenses in the nation (in par with Ohio State and Michigan). Rutgers D has an SEC flair to it as well. If Teel can play smart and we let the running combo of Rice and Leonard do their thing, we are arguably in the top 5. We win out and let the one-loss teams kill each other, and we're in the running. Dan, i wish you programmed the BCS computers.wonkisportshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02924472497023081717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163169387499688732006-11-10T09:36:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:36:00.000-05:00Okay Dan, How exactly do you feel about Boise Stat...Okay Dan, <BR/>How exactly do you feel about Boise State then? They have been in the top 25 for about three years now, which would mean they have "paid their dues" and can be ranked high in the BCS just like WVU was this year. Nice game by Rutgers, but it doesn't mean they can just launch into a #3 ranking! That is just laughable. Has anybody ever thought that if the whole conference is over-rated then every win against them is over-rated. If I was a school in the Big 11 or SEC I would jump to sign up to play these Big Least teams and get a "quality win" Think about it, play a less than quality team that counts as a big win in the computers. It is like beating the system. Finally if the BSC is all about money, why would they ever rank Rutgers up there anyway, nobody in NY even knows they exist and the R is a pretty small market team.Kid Keithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15732069718798190371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163168739361638662006-11-10T09:25:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:25:00.000-05:00Geoff from Detroit,Thats funny, because most exper...Geoff from Detroit,<BR/><BR/>Thats funny, because most expers thought theyd also get smoked by Louisville.<BR/><BR/>We thought Texas would get smoked by USC...<BR/><BR/>The list goes on and on.<BR/><BR/>Thats why they play the game.Richardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01345431884349785123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163168665478836322006-11-10T09:24:00.001-05:002006-11-10T09:24:00.001-05:00Im not a rutgers fan...Im not a rutgers fan...Twa & Ry Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04005543167251009926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33624629.post-1163168661364757152006-11-10T09:24:00.000-05:002006-11-10T09:24:00.000-05:00chrth...no qb has ever schooled another qb, they d...chrth...no qb has ever schooled another qb, they don't play against each other. Smith is now getting all the hype that Brady Quinn had... best qb on a top team. Smith is a COLLEGE QB with very little pro future as a qb.<BR/><BR/>Now I'm not a big fan of Texas, but love controversy. Would Texas be ahead of Florida in the BCS is the Pac 10 officials didn't screw Oklahoma? If Florida and Texas win out, I want to see what the numbers would be if Oklahoma won that game.jhawkjjmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01121137385290899419noreply@blogger.com