If your PC was idle when you ran netstat, then there's some software running in the background doing something you are not aware of.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27652077Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:56:20 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27652461
netstat -bno will display the IP addresses, ports, owner of the process and the executable, that should give plenty of info including what program is connecting to what IP.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27652461Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:09:36 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27650850
From the looks of it though, those yyzs06-*in-f* entries are typically Google CDN (Content Distribution Network) for Google/YouTube video streaming. These are local sites that help serve up content quicker.

Burlington, Ontario.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27649819Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:18:47 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27649786
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27649786Mon, 22 Oct 2012 21:06:48 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27649766
i did do a netstat with the 2-wire hooked -up and also tested my theory, but on the 2-wire i only can watch the Bell usage meter. Not very reliable. Netstat with the 2-wire shows a buch of WAN connections, as if it is taking priority over the LAN connection? They both travel down 1 cable to the 2-wire.

Anyhoo, if the is any interest in my netstat I dont want to post if nobody wants to see it.

I will watch the usage meter to see if my 650mb file transfer shows as a download. i am the only person on the network in my house right now......thx all.....--

And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.

This is kind of what I was getting at before. Depending on his upstream sync rate, if his LAN streaming traffic was hittng the BAS, he would be having a lot more issues with excessive buffering during playback. (IF indeed it would even work at all)

if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike

I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night...... And if it does reach the BAS... then you'd notice speed be limited to your internet connection and the not LAN speed at all.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27629154Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:22:13 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27629076

if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Mike

I am waiting to test this theory, how crazy is it that my LAN traffic is routing through my BAS? I am open to any help or ideas that will quickly get to the bottom of this. I will be home tomorrow night......--Pat2k8@yahoo.ca
Burlington, Ontario.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27629076Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:23 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27628616
said by MaynardKrebs:

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?

LOL. Yeah.

Something has GOT to be up with this though. I don't get it. The modem/router has nothing to do with the calculation of usage, right? It's done at the BAS if I'm not mistaken. That being the case, it stands to reason that if 10GB of lan traffic were initiated by a user and it magically shows up on their usage bill, that traffic had to leave their lan and hit the BAS. It's the simplest explanation, and all things being equal....

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

Could there be a configuration option in the router firmware:"Check here to increase your speed charges" option?

Does the end user use any off-site backup service that sends only the delta's? Something like that would tend to double the amount of transfer used.

The user should run a program like "Little Snitch" (OS x) or a Windows equivalent to see what's actually doing on at the machine level. Wireshark would do the trick too but there's a steep learning curve.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27628531Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:33:07 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27628413
said by realthang :

Your friend downloaded tv shows from a usenet server on the internet (alt.binaries.teevee), therefore it counts as billable traffic. the traffic is counted at the CO, not your modem or router. therefore, any internal traffic such as copying files across your home lan doesn't count because bell can't see the traffic and doesn't care even if it could.

Is it even remotely possible that the router config is messed, and the traffic between two computers on the lan actually leave the lan and go out over the internet first?

Yes, I would have been there with my DIR-655 within 5 minutes of him telling me about it... but he's 5 hours away, one way.

Talk him through an trial install of LogMeIn or any one of the remote control apps, then take control of his machine & router to see what's going on and make any required changes.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624919Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:25:50 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624645
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624645Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:19:01 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624632
said by pulp46:

I'm also assuming it's wildly exaggerating LAN B/W too. The reporting is broken, hopelessly so... not out of the realm of possibilities! :)

yes the bandwidth meter is counting upload and download. one of the items that stands out from my previous month would be that I downloaded a 5GB file FROM THE INTERNET and then transfered it from that PC to another in my house. How is it that Bell should be able to charge me for the internal transfer, I don't know?

I dont know how it is calculating the usage up/down, but when I get home later this week I will be all over this like a spider monkey. I will track usage and transfer of large internal files and see what I can confirm. If I screwed something up, I will be the first to admit it. But like I have said, I know what my usage is and this just isn't what is being reported.....

Would be fun if you could post a picture of the Bell bandwith tracker.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624580Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:04:30 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624578
said by pulp46:

pat2k9, I REALLY appreciate your input and verification of this phenomina, people think we're nutz, wrongly so. Thank you and keep us posted! :)

"...like a spider monkey..." :D

I'm not saying your crazy... but to conclude Bell is counting LAN while your friends barely streamed 300mb... is pretty much a wild assumption.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624578Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:03:56 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624362
"...like a spider monkey..." :D]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624362Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:23:41 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624335
I dont know how it is calculating the usage up/down, but when I get home later this week I will be all over this like a spider monkey. I will track usage and transfer of large internal files and see what I can confirm. If I screwed something up, I will be the first to admit it. But like I have said, I know what my usage is and this just isn't what is being reported.....--Pat2k8@yahoo.ca
Burlington, Ontario.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624335Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:19:06 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624293
said by pat2k8:

for 13 years I have been with Bell, laugh, it's ok....

retentions sent me the 2701 modem/wireless router last year and i removed my dd-wrt routter. like i said, I told the rep on the phone, if i remove the phone line from your router/modem and transfer on my home network, you shouldnt see it or charge me for it. She softly giggled and said she would talk to tech, came back and confirmed it. I then told her I was removing the modem asap, she said it was a good idea? wtf.

I was away all weekend, no usage, any only transfered 2 .iso images from my NAS to my Desktop last night, approx 10GB. And today it is showing on my data usage 10GB approx. for yesterday!!!!!!!!

I dont believe this is actually ok to do, I would like to bump this up a level and do more. Their is NO WAY bell should charge me for my internal network traffic.

Call me a liar, bullsh*t or whatever you want, I know what im seeing...

If LAN was counted... Wouldn't both Download and Upload be counted ?

From what I gather here, you downloaded your ISO images and it equals to 10Gb...]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624293Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:10:31 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624260
correction, when I return I will use my modem to confirm usage through dd-wrt and hook that sum-a-biatch back up an log the usage its giving me. If I can confirm this, I will want to know what I can do for my overage charges and help anyone else experiencing this.

Think about it, the majority of people just shrug off the overage and say " I must have used alot of data". Well I would have some porn collection right now if I downloaded 150GB last month...............--Pat2k8@yahoo.ca
Burlington, Ontario.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624260Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:04:34 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624254
said by pulp46:

Well, that's 2 people now. Maybe they are the first 2 to notice and perhaps others are total noobs?

It just so happens both users have a 10Gig charge on that day... very very weird.

If you friend streamed a 280Meg file, it still doesn't make sense to have 10Gig extra... weather LAN or WAN was counted.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624254Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:03:58 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624226
retentions sent me the 2701 modem/wireless router last year and i removed my dd-wrt routter. like i said, I told the rep on the phone, if i remove the phone line from your router/modem and transfer on my home network, you shouldnt see it or charge me for it. She softly giggled and said she would talk to tech, came back and confirmed it. I then told her I was removing the modem asap, she said it was a good idea? wtf.

I was away all weekend, no usage, any only transfered 2 .iso images from my NAS to my Desktop last night, approx 10GB. And today it is showing on my data usage 10GB approx. for yesterday!!!!!!!!

I dont believe this is actually ok to do, I would like to bump this up a level and do more. Their is NO WAY bell should charge me for my internal network traffic.

Call me a liar, bullsh*t or whatever you want, I know what im seeing...--Pat2k8@yahoo.ca
Burlington, Ontario.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624226Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:59:35 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624218
I'm just telling you, that you are saying doesn't make sense. You are just relying on your friend's information, without having confirmed anything by yourself.

It would seem to me, that the sole purpose of this thread, is to promote Teksavvy.

This thread is going nowhere, so, this is it for me.]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624218Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:58:03 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624135
P. S. Love you TekSavvy! ;)]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624135Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:37:05 EDTRe: Bell Usage Meter counting LAN data?http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624104
Your friend (who you claim is not too handy with this stuff) is most likely right in that Bell is counting LAN traffic, something that every user on this forum has done at one time or another and would CLEARLY have noticed by now.

Furthermore, a fellow poster who just so happens to be in another province claims that his 1.2TB of data transfer did not count, but because he's in QC you cannot rely on it.

I hate to break it to you, but Bell is not counting your friend's LAN traffic. If he did, there would have been an epidemic on this site a few times over. ]]>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Usage-Meter-counting-LAN-data-27624104Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:31:30 EDT