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Examples of Lefebvre's Dialectics Against De Fide

"The Church will know of suffering before it is entirely closed. It will undergo the direst outrages, not to mention those of a large number of its children who will deny it, by reason
of their attachment to promises on the part of men who will break their own word; that will break anything that can be found of the most sacred; who will treat the Son of God with the most
abonimable words. The number of those souls, forever seperated from God, so to speak, will rise beyond the three
quarters.". (Heavenly revelaton to Marie-Julie Jahenny,
June 29, 1882 - "Prophecies Of La Fraudais of Marie-Julie Jahenny" pp. 210-213)

One of the basics of Communist deception is its use
of (condemned by the Church) Hegelian dialectics, i.e, the diabolical:

The word "dialectic"
according to the American Heritage® Dictionary, 4th edition is defined as:

dialectic

noun

2. a. The process especially associated with Hegel of arriving at the truth by stating a thesis, developing a contradictory
antithesis, and combining and resolving them into a coherent synthesis.

b. Hegel's critical method for the investigation of this process.

3. a. The Marxian process of change through
the conflict of opposing forces, whereby a given contradiction is characterized by a primary and a secondary aspect, the secondary succumbing to the primary, which is then transformed into an aspect of a new contradiction. Often used in the plural with a singular
or plural verb.

b. The Marxian critique of this process.

4. dialectics (used with a sing. verb) A method of argument or exposition that systematically weighs contradictoryfactsor ideaswith a view to the resolution of their real or apparent contradictions.

From our research, Mr. Lefebvre was never mentioned as being not in full-capacity
of his faculties or absent-minded/forgetful. What follows is just one sampling of this sectarian's well-known dialectics against de fide.

Note: In TCW's04/19/13 post we showed why Mr. Marcel Lefebvre according to true Catholic Tradition (Thomism) was never a priest or bishop. Any reference(s) below to layman Lefebvre as a "priest" or "bishop", are erroneous/false (although
they were likely made in good faith), yet are part of the documentation of his statements. -ED

On June 30, 1988, He did
consecrated three bishops under "Operation Survival""Catholic" Aug/Sep. 88, p.1. This is not to say that in 1976 Lefebvre did have any intentions to consecrate, however, some believed the contrary at that time.

June 29, 1976In spite of all objections, he proceeded with the ordinations. Paul VI replied on 1st July by striking the priests ordained with a suspensus a divinis. On 29th July the same sanction struck Lefebvre - who replied the
same day with an unequivocal declaration: "This conciliar church is a schismatic church because it breaks with the Catholic Church of the centuries." He continually insisted upon the heresy and schism of Vatican II and its church. However, at the same
time he was talking of "interpreting the council in the sense of Tradition" and was already demanding "that they allow us to experiment with Tradition." (ECÔNE FULL STOP,
Fortes in Fide, by Fr Noél Barbara)

July 29, 1976On this day, under the shock of the suspension a divinis, Mgr. Lefebvre declared: "This conciliar church is a schismatic church because it breaks with
the Catholic Church of the centuries ..." "This conciliar church is schismatic because it has taken as the basis for its updating principles opposed to those of the Catholic Church." "The church which affirms errors like these is both schismatic and heretical.
This conciliar church is thus not Catholic."

Aug. 4, 1976"But, then, less than a week later, speaking of the council, he said: 'I do not reject it altogether. I accept the council in so far as it conforms to Tradition.'France-Soir, Aug. 4, 1976. What is more, in a statement to the newspaper 'Le Figaro', he excelled himself. After repeating his harsh words of 29th July and questioning the legitimacy of Paul VI, he concluded: 'We are thus quite decided
to continue our work of the restoration of the Catholic priesthood whatever happens, convinced that we can render no better service to the Church, to the pope, to the bishops and to the faithful. Let them allow us
to experiment with tradition.'Le Figaro, Aug. 3, 1976"

On one day Mgr. Lefebvre treats the conciliar
church, its hierarchy and particularly its "pope" as schismatic: "All those who cooperate in the application of this upheaval, accept and adhere to this new conciliar church ... enter into schism."Le Figaro, Aug.
4, 1976. (ECÔNE FULL STOP, Fortes in Fide, by Fr Noél Barbara)

Dec. 24, 1978

On another day, he lowers himself to beg from these (who he calls) "schismatics" a recognition for which
he is still waiting: "Most Holy Father, for the honour of Jesus Christ, for the good of the Church, for the salvation of souls, we beseech you to say a single word, a single word: 'Let them continue'." Letter to John Paul II, 24 December 1978.

Nov. 8, 1979

Lefebvre stated that his own views had not changed over the years; that no one should be mistaken regarding his and the official position of the SSPX on the Novus Ordo Missae - which was: that no one in the
SSPX could "tolerate among its members those who refuse to pray for the Pope or affirm that the Novus Ordo Missae is per se invalid...""Catholic", July & Nov 83, p.3.

Fr.
Noél Barbara: "He (Lefebvre) often says, in defence of his work, that the saints did not act differently.

"Whatever the prelate may say, the wild seminaries, the ordinations without dimissorial
letters, confirmations and confessions without jurisdiction are practices contrary to what has always been done in the Church.

"With the exception of the heretical-schismatics who do not recognize the Catholic
Church as the sole ark of salvation and do not belong to her, no bishop or saint whatever has ever opened a seminary, a university, a place of worship, even a private one, or administered the sacraments without the previous permission of the Ordinary, still
less in defying his prohibition, without having first denounced him as a heretic and acting publicly in consequence, as did St. Athanasius in his day." (ECÔNE FULL STOP)

"Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the Catholic faith. For unless a person keeps this faith whole and entire, he will undoubtedly be lost forever." (Athanasian Creed)

Long-time Traditionalist, and publisher of the Catholic journal "The Spark", Christopher Shannon, (who was in Econe-Sion, Switzerland in the early 1970's but left after realizing the SSPX HQ's and Lefebvre were permeated with Freemasonry) wrote on January 29th, 1997:

"And this. Follow the money trail. I suspect the bulk of the funds are from Rome. Lefebvre made frequent trips to Rome while I was with him (I sat next to him at the dinner table). All of these were cordial,
not combative, or argumentative, as most would believe. He was simply arranging strategies under the leadership of his Roman bosses. How do I know this, too? He
told me.

The man's a devil, benign saintly smile. The sugar, the poison, was instilled in the process and grows, and grows, until the harvest."

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"The veil covering the greatest deceit ever to have mystified the clergy and baffled the faithful, is doubtless beginning to be torn asunder. 'Archbishop'
Marcel Lefebvre." -Piers Compton,TBC,

His Holiness, Pope Pius IX, Quartus Supra, January 6, 1873: “4. It has always been the custom
of heretics and schismatics to call themselves Catholics and to proclaim their many excellences in order to lead peoples and princes
into error.”

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