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Kirk from the opening seenis portrayed still as a wild party boy and rebel.

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Kirk has always been a rebel, it's one of his most defining characteristics.

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I absolutely LOVE NuKirk's Kirk. So believable that Prime Kirk who was still getting in huge trouble with Starfleet when he was retirement age started out like that. Only he doesn't have the leeway he's going to earn after years of successfully saving their asses

I Invite eeryone to go back and watch the original Khan from Spock's Death thru to his Funeral scene and shoot down to the genesis planet and see how Real Trek Moves you, right down to playing Amazing Grace for Spock as he in Death finds his humanity.

And then go watch JJ's version.

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If JJ had included Amazing Grace I would have walked out. Utterly retarded to play an christian hymn at a Vulcan's funeral.

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There is that, isn't there? We're a little more sensitive to that kind of thing than we used to be - the U.S. government, after all, supposedly made some cursory attempt to give even bin Laden a burial appropriate to his beliefs.

I Invite eeryone[sic] to go back and watch the original Khan from Spock's Death thru to his Funeral scene and shoot down to the genesis planet and see how Real Trek Moves you, right down to playing Amazing Grace for Spock as he in Death finds his humanity.

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Sorry, have seen that dozens of times (I own a copy, of course) and know it well. You exaggerate its virtues far beyond the modest sentimental impact of the thing (and "Amazing Grace" evoked a couple of groans from the opening night crowd at KB MacArthur in June of 1982 - puh-lease).

That has no bearing at all on how good this movie is - and it's very, very good. It's as much "Real Trek" as that thirty year-old, good but limited film was. Frankly, most of these actors are better than most of those actors and they're allowed to show more range.

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Oh Good God I'll take Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly any day over any of these new actors, i like how the originals are being marginlized now.

TWOK is a brilliant film, within limits. It's probably the only Trek film of the 1979-1992 period other than possibly ST 4 that's really remembered by non-trekkies. I think the script, the direction and the production design all maximize the very circumscribed resources with which it was made - and it's for that reason as much as any other that it comes closest of any of them to representing the essence of the original TV series.

I Invite eeryone[sic] to go back and watch the original Khan from Spock's Death thru to his Funeral scene and shoot down to the genesis planet and see how Real Trek Moves you, right down to playing Amazing Grace for Spock as he in Death finds his humanity.

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Sorry, have seen that dozens of times (I own a copy, of course) and know it well. You exaggerate its virtues far beyond the modest sentimental impact of the thing (and "Amazing Grace" evoked a couple of groans from the opening night crowd at KB MacArthur in June of 1982 - puh-lease).

That has no bearing at all on how good this movie is - and it's very, very good. It's as much "Real Trek" as that thirty year-old, good but limited film was. Frankly, most of these actors are better than most of those actors and they're allowed to show more range.

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Oh Good God I'll take Shatner-Nimoy-Kelly any day over any of these new actors, i like how the originals are being marginlized now.

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Shatner? Maybe. But he's the Shat he'll survive it.
Nimoy? Since Spock Prime was essential to the resolution of the movie, not so much.
Kelley? Considering how much Carl Urban was channeling him in STiD I think he is smiling in whatever place he is now.

Kirk's death at the end rang hollow. We haven't spent enough time with these characters to really appreciate a moment like that. It looked exactly like what they were trying to do… Ape The Wrath of Khan. Plus who didn't know that Khan's blood would save the day?

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- I hated Kirk last movie. The death scene made me cry (also cried when they killed off Pike...BASTARDS....he was so friggin' hot. )

- Um, er, I missed that. My husband said he knew, but I was going, "They can't kill off Kirk, can they? There's another movie, right?"

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I loved McCoy. He's just as good as the original and I'm a big fan of DeForest Kelley.

I do of course own it and have seen it at least 20 times. And I do prefer Montalban to Cumberbatch in the role but that is 100% on the writers not the acting. Give Cumberbatch more development, more to do! Hopefully we get that next time around.

Kirk's death at the end rang hollow. We haven't spent enough time with these characters to really appreciate a moment like that. It looked exactly like what they were trying to do… Ape The Wrath of Khan. Plus who didn't know that Khan's blood would save the day?

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- I hated Kirk last movie. The death scene made me cry (also cried when they killed off Pike...BASTARDS....he was so friggin' hot. )

- Um, er, I missed that. My husband said he knew, but I was going, "They can't kill off Kirk, can they? There's another movie, right?"

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I loved McCoy. He's just as good as the original and I'm a big fan of DeForest Kelley.

How the fuck did I miss a Mudd reference? FUCK...where was it?

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Yeah, I don't think I ever cried to a Star Trek movie before, and one second later I was laughing out loud.

They got hold of that freighter they used to get onto Qo'nos during "The Mudd Incident", it was just before he talked to Mr. Cupcake if I am not mistaken.

And I do prefer Montalban to Cumberbatch in the role but that is 100% on the writers not the acting. Give Cumberbatch more development, more to do! Hopefully we get that next time around.

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I think that Khan's speech in his cell describing how Marcus used threats to his "family" to control him was stronger, more human dramatic material to work with than all the "beloved wife" and Melville-quoting "from Hell's heart I stab at thee!" that Montalban was given to chew on.