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Anti-Vaxx Mom Asks How To Protect Her Unvaccinated 3-Year-Old From The Measles Outbreak, Internet Delivers

Having recently run a post about an enterprising 15-year-old looking to protect himself from preventable diseases after his parents let him down, now we have the other side of the coin. In the midst of a measles outbreak in Washington state, in an area with a higher-than-average percentage of measles vaccine exemptions (what a coincidence!), one anti-vaccination mom has looked for advice on how to protect her 3-year-old from the measles.

Hmm. If only there were a tried and tested method with which to protect people from infectious diseases. Perhaps one that led to measles being declared eliminated in the United States in the year 2000? This achievement is something that the recent rise in unvaccinated children is sadly threatening to overturn, which is why the anti-vaxx movement must be confronted for the good of public health.

Needless to say, the mom certainly got a response from the pro-vaccination crowd as the post was widely shared, and some of the best roasts were hilarious if a little dark at times. Because if people refuse to listen to data and evidence and choose to endanger their children with their stubbornness, what else can you do? Scroll down below for a cathartic dose of black humor, and let us know what you think in the comments.

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@Chris Kelly, Nice job pointing to a study that was redacted
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/
If you are redacted on an open source journal, you know your work is absolutely trash

@Damien Coté
It's pointless to point out when BS studies have been debunked. They don't care, they will just scream that any falsification is a deep state big pharma conspiracy. I can't tell you how many people on articles like this STILL cite the Wakefield study on articles like this as if they are dropping some titanic knowledge bomb.

OH like this report
Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Mawson Homeschooled Study Reveals Who is Sicker
Children's Medical Safety Research Institute
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
This is a valid study

@chris kelley... "assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports" is not a study.
If you want a _proper_ study, there are two of them - covering more than two million children - saying the rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/

Makes me wonder how many antivax parents would under-report measles symptoms until it became desperate. And how many antivax parents would be proud of their slightly autistic child's special talents whilst denying they were even on the spectrum.

I had the measles when I was six years old, before the measles vaccine was available, and I remember two things from it. One is drifting in and out of fever hallucinations and the other is banging my heels on the wooden footboard of my parents' bed to try to get relief from the terrible itching. How's that for "pain relief"? If you even as much as like your children, vaccinate them!

I was 17 before the MMR vaccine was available--and when it came on the market, my doctor and my mother made sure I got them all. More to the point, I was 18 months old before the polio vaccine was released. I think my mother broke every speed limit getting me to my pediatrician--because she'd seen children with polio. Anti-vaxxers are too stupid to live. Unfortunately, it's not THEIR lives they're playing Russian Roulette with.

And that's the whole point ! Nothing is 100% guaranteed but your body now has those antibodies to kno to fight, making everything mite tolerable. The flu is a virus and guess what, that's why there isn't a cure for it or the common cold. They mutate. But at least if you get it, you're not feeling like death for a week and a half and/or being hospitalized.

A week and a half? Try a MONTH. I came down with an awful case of flu nearly 40 years ago, I think before there were readily available flu vaccines, and I have never felt so awful in my entire life. Hoped I could die but knew even though I felt that awful I was going to survive. Eventually. Then when I recovered from the flu, I lasted one day with my hideously weakened immune system and promptly got a HORRIBLE strep throat, and was laid up flat for another 2 weeks.
And that's why I make sure I get vaccinated for everything I need or even potentially COULD need!
I also am old enough to have been vaccinated for smallpox, so if that ever crops up, heaven forbid, I'll be one of the few old people nursing everyone else. You can thank me when that happens for appreciating what my parents did for me.

I have an idea... take parental classes, get educated on medicine that has been proven successful for the last decade or so, and stop trying to be the “unique parent” acting like you have high IQ when in all reality, I can confidently say you should go back to elementary and high school. Please share the College degree you received as well. It’s obvious the admissions group was paid off to let you in.

Whooping cough creates asymptomatic carriers with the vaccine. Look up the studies. Its not about trusting Drs its about looking at peer reviewed studies for yourself and actually reading the vaccine insert sheets from the manufacturer like you would do with any drug

I totally understand the measles vaccine. But there's a lot of debate over the chicken pox innoculation. Why?
1) No mortality rate in adults, extremely low among kids and elderly
2) VZV is introduced, Shingles later in life
3) Shingles comes out with a reduced immune system, not because of communicability (no 'heard immunity' argument)
4) Shingles innoculations are then recommended, but FDA guidance has varied
I have no VZV in my system. This means I (age 45) have to get the chicken pox first, before I can get the Shingles. If I do, then of course, I will get the Shingles innoculation from then on out. But there's a growing amount of evidence that a subset of the population can naturally keep the VZV out of their system, so introducing it artificially actually increases risks.
Especially since Shingles is virtually non communicable, and the mortality rate of the chicken pox is extremely low, and usually only due to complications in combination (with much higher morality illnesses).

I do hope that you don't get chicken pox later in life, because it's supposed to be much worse in adults than in children. :( I caught chicken pox when I was at school and gave it to my dad, who had never had it before.
For the record, I also had shingles at the grand old age of 21! This is following a bout of actual chicken pox as a child, not a chicken pox vaccine.

@ Petya - Chicken pox is more severe the older you are. This is why in pre-vaccination times parents would intentionally allow their young children to contract it "get it over with". We had "chicken pox parties" where all the kids were all over each other for the afternoon parents knowing one child was contagious. Mum could be ready and prepared to deal with the pox within a week or so - rather than waiting for years.Somehow I didnt get mine until age 13 - caught from my 7 yr old brother - I was way more ill than him

My two children and I had chicken pox last year. All vaccinated. They had a rather mild dose though mine was very intense and attacked my optic nerve resulting in vision loss in one eye for 2+months. There was a definite outbreak in our area. Thank would assume these types of results could warrant a vaccine.

As the mother of a child who survived leukemia (diagnosed at 18 months) I will tell you the one specific reason that there should be a CP vaccine. People with no immune system. Children who are suffering auto-immune or other diseases that reduce their immunity can die because they can't be vaccinated themselves. My daughter in particular was very lucky, she was exposed to chicken pox by accident 2 weeks after her last chemo session had 92% body coverage, and it spread internally. Had she not had just enough time for the steroids to rebuild her immune system somewhat we would have lost her. As it stood the CP virus weakened her lungs enough that she had to also suffer 3 bouts of pneumonia in the successive months following 2 of which were touch and go. I would much rather her be at risk for shingles later in life (or shockingly get vaxxed for them..) than have CP run rampant

When I was a child, the chicken pox vaccine wasn't mandatory here, so I haven't got it. I caught chicken pox at 25, because my grandpa got shingles. His case was a bit atypical - it was on his head and affected mostly his eyes, so they didn't realize what it was for days and I helped him put eye drops and I got chicken pox because I was in contact with him. Fortunately, mine was a light case. But if it was up to me I would have preferred not to have VZV in my system, as chicken pox wasn't so bad, but shingles is terrible. My grandpa had a high chance to go blind, it was miracle he didn't and he said the pain was terrible and didn't go away for months, even after the rash was long gone.

@Laeinea, Sorry that you had to go through this.I hope your daughter is fully recovered and well now. This tread made me check and it seems the vaccine for chicken pox still isn't easily available in my country, for shingles too. If you want them, you have to get them from neighboring countries.
@diane, mine was a very light case, even compared to children - no fever, not so many blisters, for a 25 year old I was super lucky. Surprisingly I haven't caught it earlier, I remember there were outbreaks a few times when I was a kid.

There's no study because the people who received the chicken pox vaccinations aren't old yet. Shingles vaccine is only 4x a chicken pox vaccine. & there are rare instances where people are completely immune to certain diseases. I'm not 100% sure what it's called or which diseases. But, maybe you can't get any type of herpes. & yes every1 reading this chicken pox & shingles are herpes. Herpes zoster & herpes simplex.

BTW, this is based on talking to no less than 3 doctors. I've been tested twice for VZV, and don't have it. Again, because of the virtually nil mortality rate among adults, and the extremely low rate among children and the elderly who only die when they are fighting something with a much higher mortality rate in combination, and the fact that I will never get the Shingles without it, which is far more of a mortality issue, especially at age, they don't think I should get it either. It comes up every time I'm asked if I've had a Shingles innoculation, and I have to tell them I don't have VZV in my system. The technicians babble the same BS, but the RNs and definitely all MDs have to say, "Oh, he's been tested and doesn't have VZV. There's no reason to introduce it at his age. If he ever gets the Chicken Pox, then he can start the Singles innoculations, but he may have a natural ability to keep VZV out of his system. It's better if it's not in his system, at his age."

@Chris Kelly, Nice job pointing to a study that was redacted
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/
If you are redacted on an open source journal, you know your work is absolutely trash

@Damien Coté
It's pointless to point out when BS studies have been debunked. They don't care, they will just scream that any falsification is a deep state big pharma conspiracy. I can't tell you how many people on articles like this STILL cite the Wakefield study on articles like this as if they are dropping some titanic knowledge bomb.

OH like this report
Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Mawson Homeschooled Study Reveals Who is Sicker
Children's Medical Safety Research Institute
http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
This is a valid study

@chris kelley... "assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports" is not a study.
If you want a _proper_ study, there are two of them - covering more than two million children - saying the rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/

Makes me wonder how many antivax parents would under-report measles symptoms until it became desperate. And how many antivax parents would be proud of their slightly autistic child's special talents whilst denying they were even on the spectrum.

I had the measles when I was six years old, before the measles vaccine was available, and I remember two things from it. One is drifting in and out of fever hallucinations and the other is banging my heels on the wooden footboard of my parents' bed to try to get relief from the terrible itching. How's that for "pain relief"? If you even as much as like your children, vaccinate them!

I was 17 before the MMR vaccine was available--and when it came on the market, my doctor and my mother made sure I got them all. More to the point, I was 18 months old before the polio vaccine was released. I think my mother broke every speed limit getting me to my pediatrician--because she'd seen children with polio. Anti-vaxxers are too stupid to live. Unfortunately, it's not THEIR lives they're playing Russian Roulette with.

And that's the whole point ! Nothing is 100% guaranteed but your body now has those antibodies to kno to fight, making everything mite tolerable. The flu is a virus and guess what, that's why there isn't a cure for it or the common cold. They mutate. But at least if you get it, you're not feeling like death for a week and a half and/or being hospitalized.

A week and a half? Try a MONTH. I came down with an awful case of flu nearly 40 years ago, I think before there were readily available flu vaccines, and I have never felt so awful in my entire life. Hoped I could die but knew even though I felt that awful I was going to survive. Eventually. Then when I recovered from the flu, I lasted one day with my hideously weakened immune system and promptly got a HORRIBLE strep throat, and was laid up flat for another 2 weeks.
And that's why I make sure I get vaccinated for everything I need or even potentially COULD need!
I also am old enough to have been vaccinated for smallpox, so if that ever crops up, heaven forbid, I'll be one of the few old people nursing everyone else. You can thank me when that happens for appreciating what my parents did for me.

I have an idea... take parental classes, get educated on medicine that has been proven successful for the last decade or so, and stop trying to be the “unique parent” acting like you have high IQ when in all reality, I can confidently say you should go back to elementary and high school. Please share the College degree you received as well. It’s obvious the admissions group was paid off to let you in.

Whooping cough creates asymptomatic carriers with the vaccine. Look up the studies. Its not about trusting Drs its about looking at peer reviewed studies for yourself and actually reading the vaccine insert sheets from the manufacturer like you would do with any drug

I totally understand the measles vaccine. But there's a lot of debate over the chicken pox innoculation. Why?
1) No mortality rate in adults, extremely low among kids and elderly
2) VZV is introduced, Shingles later in life
3) Shingles comes out with a reduced immune system, not because of communicability (no 'heard immunity' argument)
4) Shingles innoculations are then recommended, but FDA guidance has varied
I have no VZV in my system. This means I (age 45) have to get the chicken pox first, before I can get the Shingles. If I do, then of course, I will get the Shingles innoculation from then on out. But there's a growing amount of evidence that a subset of the population can naturally keep the VZV out of their system, so introducing it artificially actually increases risks.
Especially since Shingles is virtually non communicable, and the mortality rate of the chicken pox is extremely low, and usually only due to complications in combination (with much higher morality illnesses).

I do hope that you don't get chicken pox later in life, because it's supposed to be much worse in adults than in children. :( I caught chicken pox when I was at school and gave it to my dad, who had never had it before.
For the record, I also had shingles at the grand old age of 21! This is following a bout of actual chicken pox as a child, not a chicken pox vaccine.

@ Petya - Chicken pox is more severe the older you are. This is why in pre-vaccination times parents would intentionally allow their young children to contract it "get it over with". We had "chicken pox parties" where all the kids were all over each other for the afternoon parents knowing one child was contagious. Mum could be ready and prepared to deal with the pox within a week or so - rather than waiting for years.Somehow I didnt get mine until age 13 - caught from my 7 yr old brother - I was way more ill than him

My two children and I had chicken pox last year. All vaccinated. They had a rather mild dose though mine was very intense and attacked my optic nerve resulting in vision loss in one eye for 2+months. There was a definite outbreak in our area. Thank would assume these types of results could warrant a vaccine.

As the mother of a child who survived leukemia (diagnosed at 18 months) I will tell you the one specific reason that there should be a CP vaccine. People with no immune system. Children who are suffering auto-immune or other diseases that reduce their immunity can die because they can't be vaccinated themselves. My daughter in particular was very lucky, she was exposed to chicken pox by accident 2 weeks after her last chemo session had 92% body coverage, and it spread internally. Had she not had just enough time for the steroids to rebuild her immune system somewhat we would have lost her. As it stood the CP virus weakened her lungs enough that she had to also suffer 3 bouts of pneumonia in the successive months following 2 of which were touch and go. I would much rather her be at risk for shingles later in life (or shockingly get vaxxed for them..) than have CP run rampant

When I was a child, the chicken pox vaccine wasn't mandatory here, so I haven't got it. I caught chicken pox at 25, because my grandpa got shingles. His case was a bit atypical - it was on his head and affected mostly his eyes, so they didn't realize what it was for days and I helped him put eye drops and I got chicken pox because I was in contact with him. Fortunately, mine was a light case. But if it was up to me I would have preferred not to have VZV in my system, as chicken pox wasn't so bad, but shingles is terrible. My grandpa had a high chance to go blind, it was miracle he didn't and he said the pain was terrible and didn't go away for months, even after the rash was long gone.

@Laeinea, Sorry that you had to go through this.I hope your daughter is fully recovered and well now. This tread made me check and it seems the vaccine for chicken pox still isn't easily available in my country, for shingles too. If you want them, you have to get them from neighboring countries.
@diane, mine was a very light case, even compared to children - no fever, not so many blisters, for a 25 year old I was super lucky. Surprisingly I haven't caught it earlier, I remember there were outbreaks a few times when I was a kid.

There's no study because the people who received the chicken pox vaccinations aren't old yet. Shingles vaccine is only 4x a chicken pox vaccine. & there are rare instances where people are completely immune to certain diseases. I'm not 100% sure what it's called or which diseases. But, maybe you can't get any type of herpes. & yes every1 reading this chicken pox & shingles are herpes. Herpes zoster & herpes simplex.

BTW, this is based on talking to no less than 3 doctors. I've been tested twice for VZV, and don't have it. Again, because of the virtually nil mortality rate among adults, and the extremely low rate among children and the elderly who only die when they are fighting something with a much higher mortality rate in combination, and the fact that I will never get the Shingles without it, which is far more of a mortality issue, especially at age, they don't think I should get it either. It comes up every time I'm asked if I've had a Shingles innoculation, and I have to tell them I don't have VZV in my system. The technicians babble the same BS, but the RNs and definitely all MDs have to say, "Oh, he's been tested and doesn't have VZV. There's no reason to introduce it at his age. If he ever gets the Chicken Pox, then he can start the Singles innoculations, but he may have a natural ability to keep VZV out of his system. It's better if it's not in his system, at his age."