During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

I'm thinking the bulls and Knicks may be vying for worst pg rotation in the league

During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

I don't disagree with what's being said on the subway, I wouldn't of signed Hardaway at that price, I like many was optimistic that Noah had an off year the season before and would be better sure but it is what it is. It's New York's version of a rebuild

"It's hypocritical for Perry and president Steve Mills to declare defense as central to their new identity, and then acquire Tim Hardaway Jr., Michael Beasley, Enes Kanter and Doug McDermott. Sunday's 117-83 embarrassing preseason defeat to the Nets served as a reminder of the possibilities for New York's putridness."

"I heard some horror stories about Phil in presentation situations with players – unprepared, just disorganized. And sometimes, he’d have Steve Mills in there, who'd try to re-direct him. But I know of a couple players who walked out of meetings in a couple different free-agent scenarios and, 'Wow, that was Phil Jackson? That's not how I imagined he'd be.'"

After the trade deadline passed on Feb. 23, Frank Isola of the New York Daily News said one NBA general manager told him his team "can't get a hold of Phil. It's crazy."

ESPN NBA analyst Jay Williams said prior to the draft in June that a top prospect told him Jackson was "falling in and out of sleep" during the player's workout.

Stuff like that makes me think that Phil took the job because he always wanted to be involved with the Knicks in some capacity, but by the time the opportunity came about, he was getting on in years and he just couldn't make the necessary commitment. Understandable, but it did mean he took the Knicks' money to do a half-hearted job (at least in some respects).

Again, obviously what's done is done and he's gone now, but I think it demonstrates that despite some of his better moves here and there, it was definitely time for them to part ways. The front office may still stuck, but the Knicks need someone who's all in, and that wasn't Jax.

Andrew, Phil Jackson sold James Dolan, the Knicks organization and fan base a bill of goods. We all cheered when he was hired - we felt someone with his pedigree would finally end the dysfunction at MSG. We thought he'd do for NY what Pat Riley did for Miami. Boy, were we wrong. Phil added to the chaos - he had no idea on how to be a GM.

Not firing him before the draft is going to haunt this franchise. I think Smith was the way to go.

Had he taken the job years ago, maybe it would've been a different story. As it is, it seems he was too close to stepping away and enjoying his retirement to go all in. Fair enough given his age and long tenure in the NBA, but the Knicks needed more of him.

surprised dsj pulled that off against a strong defensive team in memphis. waiting for hardaway jr to heat up

During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

Meanwhile, the Knicks apparently are not paying attention in practice and don't know the plays. You wonder if Hornacek is a big softie and doesn't have control of his team. If you are running practices where players are just screwing around and not paying attention, I question if you have lost control or ever had any.

I'm sick of Hardaway Jr. already. He breaks off plays, looks off teammates to jack up bad shots, pouts, has poor closeouts on shooters and many times hardly makes an effort to fight through picks. He hasn't matured at all.

mp3 wrote:One of the biggest problems we have had with rebuilding is the fans, they might fill the seats but they don't want to see a lottery team play so call for quick fix trades or for someone to get fired.

would you say a lot of the attendance is due to it being a tourist attraction? even up to now, out of towners ask me to bring them to the united center to at least see the Jordan statue, sometimes see a basketball game. it's fairly easy to get a cheap tickets from 2nd party sites as well

During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

From people I talk too fellow knicks fans who get to go to gets offten say that alot of seats are through corporate companies who let employees go for free when there not wining and dining clients, then you have your hardcores and I think yeah tourist's like myself when in NY would go to as many games as I could despite the record or owners.

I went to 4 games when in Orlando and some of the guys I went with went to 3 knicks games last year when they were there so I guess that plays a big factor.

I imagine tourism and the general appeal of seeing an NBA game in Madison Square Garden is a factor. Comparing it to the situation AG brought up, I'd probably want to catch a Bulls game at the United Center if I were visiting Chicago. It's obviously not the ideal time to do so given the current state of the team, but I'd still want the experience given the opportunity. It'd be a similar situation with the Knicks. Beyond that, I think it's habit for a lot of long-time supporters. Fans have fanatical devotion, after all. It can be hard to break that. If nothing else, you might just want to see other teams and players live.

With all that being said, the Knicks are actually 6-4 so far in the early stages of the season. It's probably not going to last, but on the bright side, Porzingas is having some huge games.

But would you want to go to msg or the united center if you lived there? I consider myself a fan but I'm not going there unless it's free or at a considerably big discount.

During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

That flopping crap Porzingis was pulling in the final few minutes of the game with Dwight guarding him was complete crap. He just kept falling down, and the crowd was going "OHHHHHHHHH" like Howard actually did something. Howard wasn't even playing physical, KP was just being a wimp and trying to get calls, I hate that type of basketball.

However, it was nice to see the Knicks second unit really pull it together in the second half, Hornacek did the right thing by keeping them on the floor for extended minutes. A big three and drive for Porzingis late, and Tim Hardaway Jr hit a big three as well. Nice to see some energy from the fans and players in NY. Tough for some teams to guard Porzingis when he is literally able to put the ball on the floor from the three point line and take 2 steps and be at the hoop. His length is ridiculous.

Good game all around though.

"I don't know if I practiced more than anybody, but I sure practiced enough. I still wonder if somebody - somewhere - was practicing more than me." - Larry Bird

For all the NY cats, I hope you heard Bernard King on WFAN with Joe & Evan earlier this morning. He was plugging his new book, "Game Face". Great interview....BK talked about his career, and the crap he dealt with (from law enforcement) while in Tennessee. Eye-opening stuff - I have to pick up the book.

air gordon wrote:But would you want to go to msg or the united center if you lived there? I consider myself a fan but I'm not going there unless it's free or at a considerably big discount.

If I'd never seen a game live before, or there was another team or player I really wanted to see when they were in town, possibly. If I were in your position, living there and having caught games live during better times, I think I'd be far less likely to spend money to see this team live.

Cable and internet is already a pain. Pass on overpriced food and drink and a shitty Bulls team

Granted Il make the drive down to Milwaukee to watch a real nba team play at least once a year

During opening introductions, Jordan Bell made curious gestures with his hands, which he admitted after the game were meant to symbolize rubbing money together. "I wanted to see how cash considerations was doing over there," Bell said.

Yes, he's a bitch.For all the shit things Phil Jackson did to the Knicks it's still no excuse for Porzingis skipping the team exit meeting last season. Not yet Dwight Howard level of bitch but Porzingis is getting there whenever he bitches out when things go bad.

I do that when playing soccer all the time. You feel contact, you make it look good, ref calls it, you smile at the opponent.

Basketball is mind games and cleverness, not only pure skill.

Being fair is to not voluntarily injure players or going beyond good taste with your trash talk. Not to forget that I really never understood how all these brawls happen. As if phsyical fight has ever solved a conflict (oh well maybe it has, but I just see myself as a rational human who wants to avoid physical altercation)

So you are okay if a game is decided by a flop? many games are decided by one or two baskets, so if no real contact is made (Or minimal contact that wouldn't be a foul) and a player fakes getting hit and a call is made, you are okay with that? I think that's a cheap way to play and win, or even compete.

"I don't know if I practiced more than anybody, but I sure practiced enough. I still wonder if somebody - somewhere - was practicing more than me." - Larry Bird