Brandon Boykin's intriguing to me, though I think he'll go very early in the 4th. He's a decent CB, fragile and undersized, but I think he'll be a factor as a returner and could be an above average nickel DB. Some mocks had him in the second, but he got hurt (again) at the Senior Bowl and missed quite a few games at UGA.

Just saw Alfonzo Dennard is still out there. If you're willing to overlook the character issues, including assaulting an officer just days before the draft, he also might be a decent depth corner in the 5th/6th.

Obviously won't be the Browns, but I'm curious to see where Ryan Lindley goes. I like him a lot. Had to play under 3 different OCs while at San Diego State and played well with NFL caliber weapons like Vincent Brown and Ronnie Hillman.

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Hikohadon wrote:In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

I get the logic. My contention with that is that 80% (my guess) of the playbook is designed for short throws. Is that because they don't have a fast guy to stretch the field or because Colt McCoy couldn't throw a deep ball? Or because Shurmur and Holmgren want it that way and having different personnel won't change that?

I imagine they'll incorporate more deep routes with Weeden and a faster WR, but I guess I'm just too cynical about H&H to believe it until I see it.

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Hikohadon wrote:In the 4th round, I don't necessarily care if they draft the highest ranked WR.

I want them to draft the FASTEST WR, even if slightly lower ranked.

Enough possession types on the team - need someone to stretch the field.

I get the logic. My contention with that is that 80% (my guess) of the playbook is designed for short throws. Is that because they don't have a fast guy to stretch the field or because Colt McCoy couldn't throw a deep ball? Or because Shurmur and Holmgren want it that way and having different personnel won't change that?

I imagine they'll incorporate more deep routes with Weeden and a faster WR, but I guess I'm just too cynical about H&H to believe it until I see it.

I don't disagree, but at this point you're not looking for a 80+ catch guy, and they have no one that can scare teams deep. I don't care if the guy catches only 20 passes, as long as he can break up that logjam that teams put around the LOS against the Browns without any logical deep threat.

Finally got a QB with the arm to throw it there, so now we need an Antonio Brown (6th rd pick).

skatingtripods wrote:Sure takes a lot of touch to get the ball downfield to a guy who isn't even 5'10". Love the speed and athleticism anyway.

I guess bubble screens and jet sweeps soften the defense.

True. But him speeding down the sidelines probably takes 2 defenders out of the box, whether they throw it to him or not. Heave it his way just enough for the opponent to treat him like a viable threat, then the running game and slants open up.

Hikohadon wrote:True. But him speeding down the sidelines probably takes 2 defenders out of the box, whether they throw it to him or not. Heave it his way just enough for the opponent to treat him like a viable threat, then the running game and slants open up.

I don't disagree. But, he's ranked below several of the other WR. Couldn't we have drafted our decoy later?

If they're throwing 35 yard bombs to him on 2nd & 2 to free up the defense for 3rd down, I love the idea. Which is probably how they intend to use him.

Indians game isn't on yet so I can look at everything under a microscope.

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Being an FSU fan over the years, Benjamin falls in line with some of the other good Miami WRs that FSU simply had a helluva time trying to guard.

Really like this pick. Under the radar, sneaky speed pick.

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Hikohadon wrote:That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. 4.36 speed. A little smaller, but no smaller than Deshaun Jackson. Probably catches only about 20-30 balls, but his greater impact will be in loosening the D up.

I said the exact same thing over at DBN. Love this pick.....if he pans out and (huge freakng if) Glittle gets over the dropsies....could have something started here. Interesting pick.

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For what it's worth nfl.com had Miller rated as a late first or early second round pick. The breakdown says he's athletic enough that with his size he could probably find a home at tackle rather than guard. They rated Billy Winn as a high second rounder. Says he is a high-motor guy who is solid in all areas.

Sounds like decent value, and I like the burner at WR and thumper at LB. Sounds like Acho should be a solid special teams guy at the very least. At least none of these picks are head scratchers.

There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

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rbm0183 wrote:There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

rbm0183 wrote:There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

I'm still surprised that someone hasn't had the hubris to think they would be the ones to maximize his talent and minimize his knuckleheadedness. I suppose that's a testament to just how incredibly knuckleheaded he is, because it seems like there's always a GM who will take a swing on someone with his talent.

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Hikohadon wrote:And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

rbm0183 wrote:There's a part of me that wants to see them take a risk on Vontaze Burfict at this late stage. If they could somehow get his head right he could be a steal. I'm guessing he's not even on their board, though.

He might not be on ANYONE's board. He should start working on his professional wrestling career.

This kid is a thumper. I wonder if heckert saw a little Jeremiah Trotter in this kid. That's who he reminds me of when I saw him play. He's the 180 of NyQuil. No drag tackling in this kid. Our ST;s blow and he'll help there asap. Then we'll see if he can develop to be more than the boar hunter.

Hikohadon wrote:And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

Hey, if they got him to push Marecic for the FB job, I love it. If he's a end of the 7th round TE, it feels like a wasted pick. Which - for the record - doesn't really bother me since it is an end of the 7th round pick. End of the 7th round pick is as useless as a 2nd round NBA pick.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I cannot understand this line of thinking at all.

I'm sick of them sucking.

Shit.... we're only another shitty year away from another 3 year plan.

I am with you on the "sick of them sucking."I mean, if the Cavs had completely played their asses off this year and somehow made the playoffs, our long-term team improvement would have been stunted.

I think the Browns are getting close. However, without a couple more elite players (I would settle for 1 elite WR), I think our ability to challenge in this division is shaky. It isn't like our divisional foes had crappy drafts this weekend.

Hey, if we can add elite by FAs, that's cool. We have struggled to do so as of late.

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This year as a Cavs fan, I really didn't want them to win. I wanted ping pong balls.We have a decent number of balls, giving us a chance to improve immensely. Then I am all about winning.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I mean, if we finish in the neighborhood of 0.500, we could get stuck there for a while.To truly improve, we have to suck another year.

I'm not buying this at all OD.

You're saying that the difference between perennial inescapable mediocrity vs 8 years of playoff football is the difference between next year's #5 vs #15 pick?

We have (allegedly) our QB, a decent OL, a franchise RB, an All Pro LT, and a stout defense. That's not to say we are set everywhere. Not even close. But right now the Browns are no longer a walkover team. At least on paper.

It's simple.

1. If Weeden is what we hope he can be we will be picking in the middle of the first.

2. Weeden is a franchise QB but we still have too many holes to fill and we are picking top 5-8 again.

3. Weeden is a bust and none of it matters anyway.

I guess I just don't know how #2 happens. If Weeden can play, how to the browns only win 4 games?

This year as a Cavs fan, I really didn't want them to win. I wanted ping pong balls.We have a decent number of balls, giving us a chance to improve immensely. Then I am all about winning.

As a Browns fan, I think we need one more year of suck to have a chance to add another elite player or two to the team.Then all bets are off and its all about winning.

I mean, if we finish in the neighborhood of 0.500, we could get stuck there for a while.To truly improve, we have to suck another year.

I'm not buying this at all OD.

You're saying that the difference between perennial inescapable mediocrity vs 8 years of playoff football is the difference between next year's #5 vs #15 pick?

We have (allegedly) our QB, a decent OL, a franchise RB, an All Pro LT, and a stout defense. That's not to say we are set everywhere. Not even close. But right now the Browns are no longer a walkover team. At least on paper.

It's simple.

1. If Weeden is what we hope he can be we will be picking in the middle of the first.

2. Weeden is a franchise QB but we still have too many holes to fill and we are picking top 5-8 again.

3. Weeden is a bust and none of it matters anyway.

I guess I just don't know how #2 happens. If Weeden can play, how to the browns only win 4 games?

I think that's feasible in the sense that even if Weeden can play, he's gonna have some issues his rookie year. Especially with a schedule that looks like there aren't going to be too many instances you can play it "safe" with him, and still get a win.

Hell, right now I'd take #2, cause the biggest component (by far) in any future Browns success is - can Weeden PLAY. If he can, I'll take this year's results no matter how they shake out.

Hikohadon wrote:And they drafted Richardson's FB with their last pick.

I like it.

NFL.com has him listed has a TE. ? Which is he?

CBS Sports has him as FB, but Alabama's website has him as H-Back/TE.

Not sure how this guy makes the team as a TE.

EDIT - He's definitely a TE. I like it much less now.

Hiko, in this scheme he may well project to FB to compete with Marecic.

And need + scheme = the story of this draft. Think about it. Why is ehrone biting about reaching and even the players are commenting on their slots?

need + scheme = this draft. which I might add is the best on paper by a Brwns organization since Ozzie & Clay. Yeah, I'm going there. In 2 seasons you can point to this weekend as the Battle of Britain or Midway (that's for SD).

He's an H-Back.

And the bottom line is you don't just over pay for shit because you have money in your pocket.

They overpaid in a couple cases and could have used that currency for something else.

Not saying they got it wrong or that I disagree with the guys they took, nor that I don't agree and can't see what they're trying to do. Just that they could have maximized the value of their picks had they not panicked on a couple of occasions.