An explanatory note to the document says that currently there are mass violations of military discipline, in particular, desertion from units and
drinking alcohol, as well failure to execute commanders’ orders.

In late January, a new Ukrainian military draft for 2015 came into effect. This one is the fourth wave of mobilization since Kiev launched a military
operation against militias in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.

It was expected to see 100,000 people joining the army in three stages throughout the year. However, the country’s Defense Ministry said on January
31 that nearly 7,500 Ukrainians are already facing criminal charges for evading military service.

The Ukrainian president’s adviser, Yury Biryukov, cited statistics, showing that desertion surprisingly was primarily a problem in western
Ukraine, traditionally seen as a hotbed of anti-Russian sentiment.

The War in Ukraine: Editorial in The New York Times Suggests US Is Looking for a Face-Saving Way Out

The editorial in the New York Times we attach below is the first belated acknowledgement that the only way of saving Ukraine and ending the war is
by conceding federalisation to Ukraine’s eastern regions.

We do not know for sure whether this editorial reflects official US thinking. However, the probability is that it does.

Firstly, it is not unheard of for the US government to float ideas in this way through editorials in the New York Times. The New York Times is
regularly chosen to do this because of its reputation and because it is widely read abroad. The British government used to use the Times of London in
the same way.

Ukraine as a country ceased to exist on Feb 22, 2014. The people in eastern regions are fighting for their homeland. Kiev Junta has not right to
send its army to east and conduct shelling of the civilians. Russians weapons are for the self defense of the people of Novorossiya being conducted
via NAF.

Kiev Junta better pulls out of several provinces or it will risk losing Kiev itself.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
It seems that support for the war is failing in the Ukraine.

An explanatory note to the document says that currently there are mass violations of military discipline, in particular, desertion from units and
drinking alcohol, as well failure to execute commanders’ orders.

In late January, a new Ukrainian military draft for 2015 came into effect. This one is the fourth wave of mobilization since Kiev launched a military
operation against militias in eastern Ukraine in April 2014.

It was expected to see 100,000 people joining the army in three stages throughout the year. However, the country’s Defense Ministry said on January
31 that nearly 7,500 Ukrainians are already facing criminal charges for evading military service.

The Ukrainian president’s adviser, Yury Biryukov, cited statistics, showing that desertion surprisingly was primarily a problem in western
Ukraine, traditionally seen as a hotbed of anti-Russian sentiment.

The War in Ukraine: Editorial in The New York Times Suggests US Is Looking for a Face-Saving Way Out

The editorial in the New York Times we attach below is the first belated acknowledgement that the only way of saving Ukraine and ending the war is
by conceding federalisation to Ukraine’s eastern regions.

We do not know for sure whether this editorial reflects official US thinking. However, the probability is that it does.

Firstly, it is not unheard of for the US government to float ideas in this way through editorials in the New York Times. The New York Times is
regularly chosen to do this because of its reputation and because it is widely read abroad. The British government used to use the Times of London in
the same way.

Your first source is RT, so the spin there is obvious. You second source is from Global
Research, which takes it opinion from a NYT editorial which in NO WAY states the US is "looking for a face saving way out". Rather, it's a
pretty frank article on how Putin is continuing his aggresive actions in Ukraine while lying about it as usual, and how the U.S. could possibly bring
Putin to the negotiating table. There is nothing in the article that even HINTS that the U.S. is looking "for a way out". Please research your own
sources before you post them. Or did you expect I wouldn't read them?

Problem with your so called spin is that the important information which is talked about comes actual from the Ukrainians themselves, but if you don`t
care to read it because it`s RT, you will never see that.

Problem with your so called spin is that the important information which is talked about comes actual from the Ukrainians themselves, but if you don`t
care to read it because it`s RT, you will never see that.

Oh I read it. I told you I read it. I don't lie about reading sources. Ukraine
certainly did vote on those measures. But once again RT spins it to mean "Ukraine is shooting deserters in the back". Which has never been proven to
have happened before, and is unlikely to happen in the future.

Why is China doing all this? In the Russian strongman, Beijing’s policymakers see not only someone who shares their general outlook and a fighter
willing to take on Washington, but also a now needy and therefore pliable junior partner. With America essentially identified as China’s
geopolitical opponent, it is only natural that Beijing seeks to fortify the Kremlin. The Chinese are “happy to join with Moscow to expand business
in defiance of Washington,” notes Alexander Salitsky of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations.

Like mentioned before, China knows that if Russia goes down then Beijing will be the main opponent to crush in the geopolitical ambitions of the
AngloSaxon alliances. BRIC nations alone can make a target of growing business with each other at the rate of 20% a year, even if quality of the
products is a notch lower than those offered from elsewhere.

No Chinese Money also backed the last 14 years of our Wars.

China has no Interest in damning America, it's territorial Interests are not actually in competition with us, none at least that wont resolve
themselves in time like Taiwan or North Korea certainly will in the same sort of manner Hong Kong did. In reality these locations actually make for
cross over zones for British and American and Chinese behind the scenes interactions, The truth is we are very intimately connected to China as a
result of these locations and neither side is seeking to fix them or conflict over them any time soon.

No one really seems to understand China's hand in all this least of all apparently the Russians.

China is emulating the West, it's chosen it's side even if the secretive alliance is tenuous at best...

Draw a line from Syria to Afghanistan and what you have is a new Silk Road, bought by China fought for by the West the main trade item this time OIL,
the US doesn't need Middle Eastern Oil but what the "Globalization" of the world needs is a Nation of 1.4 Billion consumers to replace the USA,
China can't just "leap over" the Industrial era, it has to have the Oil and there is a very, very intimate relationship between the US war on
terror plowing through 7 Nations in the ME and stabilizing that supply to China over decades, there is also the actual territorial aims of China,
which do NOT include the butchering of the other East Asian nations but rather involve a Chinese desire to see the as satellite nations which
precludes any desire for their destruction, resentments and disputes aside... South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and America are Chinas biggest trading
partners... The ME however supplies rather unsavory religious concepts, are non Asian by race, has the capacity to rape China on oil prices holding
back it's modernization, has historically been a thorn in China's side in regards to East West Trade and Conceptually are both lands via the Mongol
Empire and the Middle Kingdom that China considers theirs and to be filled with "Barbarians" ditto would apply to Siberia.

Of course China would back Russia with funds. So would I.

When the number of migrant workers crossing the border into Siberia every year is as high or higher than the population of Siberia you would
absolutely want Russia to do the following. 1: Turn it's forces West away from you 2: with a declining population both bleed itself of more young
males and make it's population war weary 3: Cripple it's supply of Tanks

Then years later when the Chinese population in Siberia out numbers the Russian 4-1 you get it without a fight. You also get the next stage of the
"war on terror complete" Syria gone and the Mediterranean open.

These are blatant Western tactics funding your enemy to it's own demise in war. China has oil rich Kazakhstan next door 30 Million people to Chinas
1.4 Billion, Siberia 9 Million people to Chinas 1.4 Billion, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan... source of Muslim incursion into China... the only
thing stopping China's expansion in the end is Russia. So of course encourage them to war with the West.... The Chinese invasion wont even have to
come with guns, it is the basic Chinese philosophy of "peoples War" They will go with workers and just not leave in most cases... There are
Trillions of acres with vast energy reserves and demographically no one there but a few "Barbarians" and...of course Russia under a Nuclear Umbrella
and China needs land... you would fund them to engage in anything that in the end can only shrink and dis-empower them. Russia can't afford "long
term" conflict with the West the population is shrinking, every Russian boy that dies is a major loss for Russia, even if they take Ukraine it's in
the long term still just a step to being more a part of the West for Demographic reasons and that's what Europe wants, that's what Asia wants and
that is what the US wants and that's what a lot of Ukranians and also Russians want... Russia part of the West reduced to it's basically European
borders and part of the EU, in fact the only ones who don't want this... Hardliners in Russia who are already cold war relics like Putin.

Funding one side against the other, don't believe me follow the elites Money and see how much Gold has already gone to China and how much money is
now being held there, China... it's the new America.

It is very important not to forget that Poroshenko entered into commitment to put into effect constitutional reforms and hold fair elections in
Donbas, the US Secretary of State noted.

So maybe you should have added the rest of that...

” It’s very important not to forget that he (Poroshenko - UP) also made a commitment to implement genuine constitutional reform and hold new
fair and free elections in Donbass. And if these measures are implemented, then surely we can expect that the axis of the measures set out in Minsk
agreements will be implemented ” - said Kerry.

I also found this interesting...

As you know, Poroshenko protysnuv voting law on the special status of Lugansk and Donetsk region and an amnesty.

& nbsp; Then he demanded that the elections in these areas were carried out in time specified by Parliament. However, the militants had illegal local
elections on November 2.

Ukraine is very much in existence and frankly I think Putin is grabbing cheese from a trap like a greedy Rat. Problem is the Cheese is Poisoned.

Even if he grabs a section of Ukraine he now has divided families across borders on his hands with those in Western Ukraine waxing more and more
Western the issue then goes to terrorism over years and years and Russia is literally opening a hole in it's borders to a desire for more
westernization, there are 45 Million Ukrainians who over time will want unification and resolution and only 145 Million Russians, 3 Million less then
when Putin started and Siberia is literally turning Chinese before Putins eyes... All of this is the LAST situation you would want if your Putin a
Russian Nationalist from the Cold War era by ideology. Russia in 20 years will be joining the EU, he's falling right into it.

I wonder what Russia will do if the separatists actually win and they decide to stay with Ukraine. My guess is we'll see another vote monitored by
little green men where the region isn't given the choice to stay with Ukraine.

I wonder what Russia will do if the separatists actually win and they decide to stay with Ukraine.

Well the separatists may not have a choice according to this...

According to the left-leaning Russian daily newspaper Novaya Gazeta, which cited officials within the Kremlin, sources within the cabinet of
ministers and pro-Russian insurgents, Russia has abandoned the idea of either war-torn region becoming an independent state, instead preferring that
both remain autonomous regions within Ukraine.

They already have asked if they could join RF and Russia turned them down.

Russia isn`t interested in the Ukraine and the economic burden it brings, it`s all a bunch of crap coming from Western media.

Russia wants to have influence in the Ukraine because it doesn`t want NATO over there, and it can`t have influence if Eastern Ukraine isn`t part of
the Ukraine anymore. It also opens up NATO coming again much closer to Russia, and that`s way too close for comfort to them.

Russia should aim for all the provinces on the NovoRossiya map and then have it become an independent state. Taking whole of Ukraine or hoping to
have enough influence over Ukraine so that it does not join NATO...........is a too risky idea and will create problems later on.

Novorossiya as an independent state will offer Russia buffer from NATO and left over part of Ukraine can still be influenced to keep it away from
NATO.

Push comes to shove, NATO can change its laws and be ready to have nations with internal conflict, join the alliance. Then what would Russia do?
Within a week, NATO can have its troops land in Ukraine and then its a matter of direct confrontation of NATO vrs Russia.

Except for Poland, no other Eastern European country has seen much upliftment in economics etc. Even Polish cas is only a modest success. The only
charm EU offers is the ability to migrate and do menial type jobs. Language barriers are bit too much plus there are also "non official" rules that
have businesses not hire Eastern immigrants to certain jobs.

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