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So can I therefore assume that the candlesticks are definitely MARY by Walther, but that the jury is still out on the tray :?:

Cheri - yes, that's how I see it.

The Walther catalogs have clear and distinct illustrations of the candlestick, and it is shown as "Mary". But in the catalogs that I have, there is not an entire suite of shapes shown - just one or two "here and there" - and certainly no "Mary" oval tray.

There are several dresser trays shown - but none is the exact match to yours. But then we know that not every piece was shown in the pattern books, and of course, there must be catalogs that have not yet seen the light of day.

I do appreciate the assistance and the compliment on the gorgeous candlesticks.

I am tentatively listing the tray as Mary too, as it was purchased from an Estate as a set with the candlesticks and certainly the glass seems identical, plus, there is just "something" about the pieces that seem to match....Look forward to hearing if Pamela's sleuthing turns up anything more definite on the tray

Cheri, had no time today to count the rays of the star base - in fact I even didn't go to my museum :? but looked through all catalogues' copies I have got:there is a similar oval tray with the same star base in the Walther VMG 1931 catalogue ROLAND # 21186/21188 on page 46 - the one pictured has got 18 arches, whereas yours has 30 ! maybe 21186 had 18 and 21188 had 30? :evil: another one is shown on page 114 - that one has got 24 arches :?

I do think that offering your tray as maybe Walther is not incorrect, but it seems - as Glen said - it is not MARY

'Mary' as a pattern name never apppeared again in Walther catalogues in other shapes!

Glen, are you able to post the Walther/Radeberg pages here, please? VMG 1931 came with PK 2003-2-1 : thank you! (this computer here is a simple small notebook, no scan, no print, no nothing but GMB! which is the most valuable equipment )

I have sometimes purchased dresser "sets" only to discover later that they are in fact made up of pieces by a variety of manufacturers! So I am guessing that is maybe what that pink set may be :roll: and also so possibly the fact that my MARY candlesticks and the tray came together but may not be from the same pattern or both by Walther(tho I must say again that there is just that distinctive "something" about them that whispers Walther to me!....the texture and colour of the glass is very like my green satin Nymphen set, and the workmanship is what I have come to love about Walther pieces)

so, for now the candlesticks are labelled Walther "Mary" and the tray just "believed to be Walther" with thanks to you and Glen in both descriptions