well. we can always take real life evidence. The evidence points to black people being failures at all levels, in all places of the world. I'll give examples

Black people are more likely to be in prison ( I want to use this link here http://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/2...brams-confirms it is about the difference in sentencing between the races. While it is true that black people are more likely to be in prison there are other factors involved than just race. Enviroment and the culture of that enviroment play the biggest role in the determining factor of the likley hood of someone going to prison. If you take a black child and put them in a different enviroment you will see a difference in how they group up.)Black familiese are horribly broken (And you think white families don't suffer from broken homes? Look at the high rates of divorce, broken families is just not a black problem but a problem in general.)Black neighborhoods are filled with crime (Black neighborhoods also tend to be poor neighborhoods and most poor neighborhoods generally are filled with crime.)Black cities inherit all the problems of black neighborhoods as well as having broken city budgets (look at Detroit) ( The problems with Detroit came in with the fall of the American auto industry it is called The Motor City for a reason. But what about cities like Atlanta which is a black city as well?)Black countries are crap. Countries that were prospering under colonialism or apartheid are breaking down to extreme forms of poverty without their white benefactors.( Could it be that their white benefactors did nothing to teach them how to take care of themselves? If you look at the education system over there you will clearly see that while their white benefactors made sure their children where well taken care of they did not do the same for the black people of those countries. And the reason is simple you never want people to become educated because it becomes harder to control them.)

The fact is, is that black people prosper no-where on this earth. Racism or colonialism isn't sufficient to explain this because other countries that were also colonized and have non-white populations are prospering in their own way. ( How do you define prospering? Because depending on the definition the people of those countries were also prospering in their own way as well. Your standard of what it mean to prosper and someone else's could be vastly different.)

Please forgive me if my post make no sense because I am just an ignorant black woman typing this up from my prison cell.......or maybe I don't need to add ignorant or prison cell since I am black and it makes it sorta like a double negative? The parts I will add will be to the quote and I will bold them for easier reading.

First of all, with all due respect you can scratch that "Dr. Phil-esque Pseudo Sympathetic Ear" tone.

"They" (whoever you're referring to as it was totally different groups) didn't care, because they were slaves who were probably war criminals (whether they actually were or not is a different matter.) "Region" is just a wide reaching term, because a single region can house a few dozen different groups who engaged in different practices. This line of logic of yours is based on the assumption that Europeans didn't periodically lie to the Africans about their intentions, if the subject even came up at all. Factoring in that they weren't honest right off the bat in what they traded FOR the slaves, by giving goods that were low quality by European standards (cheap wine, dated rifles, mirrors, etc...etc....), I doubt they were upfront with what their real intentions were. Especially when you read about of the reaction of some chieftains/Oba/Alaafin/.etc..., when they got wind of what their former captives were subjected to.

It doesn't matter how many times you accuse me of it. Putting things in the proper light that conflicts with what you wish, isn't me "romanticizing" anything. It's being more accurate than what some "historically biased, feel good, blame shifting" scholars like to say. Who only accept one point of view (theirs) as "what really happened".

Blame shifting historians?
That's a dangerous definition. It could go both ways don't you think?
The discussion has become unsustainable though, you aren't seeing clearly.
Accusing historians might be a step too far.

Please forgive me if my post make no sense because I am just an ignorant black woman typing this up from my prison cell.......or maybe I don't need to add ignorant or prison cell since I am black and it makes it sorta like a double negative? The parts I will add will be to the quote and I will bold them for easier reading.

Not a double negative. Redundant information. All black people are obviously always in prison by virtue of being black.

If you are particularly bold, you could use a Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will infuriate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. You have been warned.

Accepting that stereotypes hold some truths isn't racist as long as you understand any individual can differ from that type.
For example, my deep hatred of Blood Elves doesn't mean I don't think I might find one I like....someday.

Those that get offended by seeing patterns in groups should under no circumstances read this article that came out after talk of "The Talk" that some people give their kids.

First of all, with all due respect you can scratch that "Dr. Phil-esque Pseudo Sympathetic Ear" tone.

"They" (whoever you're referring to as it was totally different groups) didn't care, because they were slaves who were probably war criminals (whether they actually were or not is a different matter.) "Region" is just a wide reaching term, because a single region can house a few dozen different groups who engaged in different practices. This line of logic of yours is based on the assumption that Europeans didn't periodically lie to the Africans about their intentions, if the subject even came up at all. Factoring in that they weren't honest right off the bat in what they traded FOR the slaves, by giving goods that were low quality by European standards (cheap wine, dated rifles, mirrors, etc...etc....), I doubt they were upfront with what their real intentions were. Especially when you read about of the reaction of some chieftains/Oba/Alaafin/etc..., when they got wind of what their former captives were subjected to.

It doesn't matter how many times you accuse me of it. Putting things in the proper light that conflicts with what you wish, isn't me "romanticizing" anything. It's being more accurate than what some "historically biased, feel good, blame shifting" scholars like to say. Who only accept one point of view (theirs) as "what really happened".

Well; isn't that nice? With all due respect, there's no debating with someone who jumps to insulting others.
The slave traders in Africa, whoever had the largest investment in said trade, weren't the bloody stupid naive imbeciles you make them out to be.
I'm not shifting the blame. I'm spreading it around equally. I'm not going to say that the European slavers didn't partake in the horrors of it. They knew what they were doing, and they simply didn't care.
As for the low quality rifles and mirrors and beads: Yeah, no. They were good weapons, and beads and mirrors wouldn't trade half as well as popular history would like to tell us. Again: Those people weren't idiots, and they weren't ignorant of the ways of the world, either. It's a huge misconception that those tribes were primitive and such. They had trade. They used gold coins just like everyone else. They traded with Mesopotamian regions, with Europeans (evidently), and were far from stupid.

I find the whole concept of racism to be a double standard. If I as a white person say something it is racist but if my friend Tonya where to insult my race, being a black lady it would be ok.

When a black person tells you its like a club and all white people are excluded, its a bit fucked up lol.

But is being racist a big deal? Not really. It is no different than haveing a dislike for a fast food chain or a type of animal. The big deal is how you choose to act on your thoughts and feelings. My dad is a racist man, but he does not run around comitting hate crimes. He just chooses not to associate with blacks and hispanics. He will deal with them on a day to day basis at work or the store but he is professional about it. Says what needs to be said Hi, Bye, Thank you and leaves it at that. I will admit that even I am a little racist but I dont let it keep me from extending common curticey to people. If you come to my store I will help you in every way I can but due to the demographic statistics on theft and shoplifitng in my town, I will keep a better eye on people of certain minorities but I do not consider that racist, just a habbit based off of proven statisitics of my area.

But to sum it all up, being racist is only an issue if you let it control your actions and said actions bring harm/distress to an individual.

Not a double negative. Redundant information. All black people are obviously always in prison by virtue of being black.

Ah, I did not even think about it being redundant but then again I am black so not thinking should be a given.

I am so using being black as a reason to say crazy stuff on the boards and get away with it.

Originally Posted by Vainglorious

Accepting that stereotypes hold some truths isn't racist as long as you understand any individual can differ from that type.
For example, my deep hatred of Blood Elves doesn't mean I don't think I might find one I like....someday.

Those that get offended by seeing patterns in groups should under no circumstances read this article that came out after talk of "The Talk" that some people give their kids.

Ah, I did not even think about it being redundant but then again I am black so not thinking should be a given.

I am so using being black as a reason to say crazy stuff on the boards and get away with it.

I am so getting melanin shots and tan the hell out of myself. Sign me up!
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Though I was unaware that melanin made someone thoughtless.
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That kind of sucks, because I have a high amount of melanin to start off with, which, in specific races (see whut I did thar?) of caucasoids, causes freckles. Yups; people with lots of freckles are pretty much black. :P
So hey! There's my excuse for crazy stuff, right there!

Or we could just accept the very fact that melanin levels have no impact on the brains.

I find the whole concept of racism to be a double standard. If I as a white person say something it is racist but if my friend Tonya where to insult my race, being a black lady it would be ok.

When a black person tells you its like a club and all white people are excluded, its a bit fucked up lol.

But is being racist a big deal? Not really. It is no different than haveing a dislike for a fast food chain or a type of animal. The big deal is how you choose to act on your thoughts and feelings. My dad is a racist man, but he does not run around comitting hate crimes. He just chooses not to associate with blacks and hispanics. He will deal with them on a day to day basis at work or the store but he is professional about it. Says what needs to be said Hi, Bye, Thank you and leaves it at that. I will admit that even I am a little racist but I dont let it keep me from extending common curticey to people. If you come to my store I will help you in every way I can but due to the demographic statistics on theft and shoplifitng in my town, I will keep a better eye on people of certain minorities but I do not consider that racist, just a habbit based off of proven statisitics of my area.

But to sum it all up, being racist is only an issue if you let it control your actions and said actions bring harm/distress to an individual.

There are always double standards for why one portions of society gets away with certain things and another doesn't. It is wrong, but it is better to come at it from the stand point racism, or any kind of bigotry based on no knowledge other than quick prejudice.

We are all guilty of that, but this reverse racism, or anti racism is BS. it's racism if you apply the belief to anyone that could include ones own race.

Race is one of a slew of criteria by which someone can be judged. Sex, income and education level, physical appearance are a few more. I think race stands aloof of the others because of the way blacks were treated in the US in recent history, and because racism is largely the result of ignorance.

What do I mean by this? - that our brains attempt to categorize a person we know little about by using information associated with the characteristics that person bears, acquired from learning and experience.
If we have had many bad experiences with wealthy individuals, our tendency to favor them when our relationship with them is superficial wanes.
This can be applied to any criterion I listed and to a great many more. If I regularly see sports fans from country X resorting to hooliganism and barroom brawls, or even wearing their hair in a way inapposite to my own tastes, I develop a proclivity to cast a spiteful eye towards any individual from that group or schema my mind has created or expanded, prior to any more immediate acquaintance.

It's what the human mind does to make sense of the world - build patterns.

Some premature judgment is only natural - but its fermentation should be curtailed by being kept, to whatever extent possible, inside our heads: outward expression of it is the materialization of our own nescience.

I am so getting melanin shots and tan the hell out of myself. Sign me up!
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Though I was unaware that melanin made someone thoughtless.
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That kind of sucks, because I have a high amount of melanin to start off with, which, in specific races (see whut I did thar?) of caucasoids, causes freckles. Yups; people with lots of freckles are pretty much black. :P
So hey! There's my excuse for crazy stuff, right there!

Or we could just accept the very fact that melanin levels have no impact on the brains.

No, fair!
You have to stay apart of the evilz white race. *stamps colored people appication denied and sends away with Justin Bieber cd*

well. we can always take real life evidence. The evidence points to black people being failures at all levels, in all places of the world. I'll give examples

Black people are more likely to be in prison
Black familiese are horribly broken
Black neighborhoods are filled with crime
Black cities inherit all the problems of black neighborhoods as well as having broken city budgets (look at Detroit)
Black countries are crap. Countries that were prospering under colonialism or apartheid are breaking down to extreme forms of poverty without their white benefactors.

The fact is, is that black people prosper no-where on this earth. Racism or colonialism isn't sufficient to explain this because other countries that were also colonized and have non-white populations are prospering in their own way.

You may want to watch the movie "Cry Freedom".
If black people don't prosper at all, how come the USA's current president is black? How come the former secretary of defense was black? How come Tyler Perry is considered a entertainment mogul, yet he is black? How come Dr Dre was the most grossing artist in 2012, even tho he is black?
Might as well NOT have to do with color.. Color is a hindering, it's a road block thrown into these people's way.
Give them the same opportunities and rights, and they prosper as much as any other color.
Use the red colored people for example. Look at their struggle. They've been crushed. They once owned the entire territory called the USA today. They've owned all the riches in that territory. All the gold, all the silver was theirs. Taken from them. The US govt still today owns millions to the Indian nation for taking the Blackrock Mountains unlawfully even. Which leads me to another movie you should watch "My Heart Is Buried At Wounded Knee".
If you watched both these movies, and you come back and still want to hold up with your claims, then we can discuss deeper...
Both these movies showcase through RL events how much racism plays a role in the overall performance and prosperity of said colors.
Just because I'm white doesn't mean I need to be delusional and deny the truth. That would be essentially the same as denying the holocaust.

Before i tried to hide that i play a blood elf male in TBC because i would get alot of hate messages.

Now, i have to hide my race.

Why would you hide either? No sane person would attack you for playing a Blood Elf. Even higher skilled players play them since their racial - Arcane Torrent - is a very viable option for some classes. It's essentially a free mana or rune power/energy potion. And a nice AOE silence, which can be handy in PVP situations as well.
Even less would a decent person attack you for your color.

Before WOTLK factions used to hate eachother, atleast in the EU. Blood elves didnt fit in horde they said so they did everything to discriminate us. It might sound stupid but thats how it is. Pretty much like in sports. Two teams can hate eachother for real.

Yeah you could say that i should ignore these guys but they are so many id rather just hide my race, act as white as possible and enjoy the net. Its not that kind of a big deal for me. I dont have this problem IRL anyways and thanks to the hatred in the Internet i choose to enjoy IRL more and it actually feels great. I used to sit alot and chat but now im doing my own stuffs IRL while my friends are sitting home so i have to say thanks to the haters.

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Originally Posted by oxymoronic

I've done the forums things before on other sites and usually somewhere along the lines somebody will try to label me a racist. Over the years I've grown to accept it (dont really think I am though). I've never hurt somebody over race, hell I still hold a door open for somebody other than my race, I treat them absolutely the same irl but I am a lot more wary of some races compared to others. I guess what it stems down to is being a realist that acknowledges some races are prone to violence, drugs, and general mayhem. Don't really know what I'm trying to get out of this but I'm tired of others thinking racist people are bad. There is many degrees of racism, please don't lump all of us together and dismiss an individual so easily because he/she doesn't think like you.

Yes there is a problem with being a Racist, it hurts the person who is racist the most. For starters there is not a single thing different between any two humans genetically. This means all the things you attribute to race are actually cultural adaptations and not based on race at all. There was a time when White males over 6 feet tall where considered violent drunkards who would rape and murder people randomly. Once Nordic culture died out the Nordic people became some of the most civil people on the planet.

The tenancy towards violence and drugs you perceive is based on the cultural adaptations which happened because one society was overwhelmingly dominate and would purposely kept the other cultures poor and imprisoned, this lead to the cultural adaptation of if we are going to jail for no reason, and we are poor, lets do something worth going to jail for, and maybe we can get more wealth.

Remember my comment about Nordics being violent and drunk? Well it was because of harsh winters and poor growing season that caused the Nordics to resort to a raid mentality. Right now the world really likes to pick on two ethnic groups and the regions they come from, so this is why there is a disproportional amount of Violence and criminal behavior coming from them.

I should also point out something else. In the early dark ages two very different groups were forced to migrate into Europe, the Hebrews and the Romany, both were treated very poorly and were considered inferior criminal groups. the two groups responded differently based on religious culture, however both were still seen during the majority of European history as outlaw peoples. The Hebrews tried to shut out everyone else, and the Romany started to act as they were accused.

The ironical part of this is that Romany and Jews got along just fine, and even inter married at times. Today no one would think a Jew is a savage willing to do drugs and live a criminal life, however the Romany are all considered criminals in Europe. However when they move to the United States, they find our culture accepts them and they end up living very differently here. Since in the US we call Romany Gypsies, and we pay them good money to read cards, and give dating advice.

Genetics is no reason to hate someone.And if you think a culture is failing because of a response to oppression than maybe you should look at how you made them in to what they are.

Racism is ridiculous and idiotic. As is being intolerant of homosexuals, or women or any group.

However, I find some of these movements actions just as ridiculous and idiotic. I.e suing Friends for not having a "black" friend or campaigning that there MUST be a gay character in Mass Effect, even though the story doesn't call for it and they feel completely shoehorned in for the sake of it. Arrow is my favorite TV show at the moment and I hear that is under attack for not having a gay character, so we'll have yet another generic badly written homosexual character on television as opposed to one who is well written, deep, complex and actually fits in to the story. As a woman, the feminist movement embarrasses me every time I hear about them. These groups do more to cause problems than fix them imo.

I mean, every other week in the UK someone is arrested for racism, and a lot of the time the offence doesn't actually seem racist. If I say I think the society of black lawyers suing friends is ridiculous, does that make me racist? Some would think so. And whats up with "society of black lawyers" and "nursery - black children priority". Surely this is racist in itself? I think the world is getting a bit too liberal.

There are black men, and there are niggers. The problem is many whites forget that the former exists, and they mistakenly believe that all black people are the latter.

Some people try to use pseudo-science to explain blacks being inferior to whites or asians, but the fact is the problems are more socio-economic than based on race. You have people growing up in poor neighborhoods, going to underfunded schools, growing up in a single-parent households and seeing violence and drugs everyday on the street.It's not a coincidence they are more prone to crime than people who grow up in better environments.

Not too relevant to topic though I am still curious: What's acting white like? Do you naturally act like a particular race otherwise? What does your race act like?

"Acting white" sounds kind of stupid, i have to find a new word because i dont really mean anything bad.

I mean if you keep your race for yourself and act normal, noone will question you until they see that you are a race they dont like in many websites around the internet.

I dont know what you can call my race. Mixed might be the best word, IDK. My ancestors are scandinavians but we moved to a country and lived there for hundreds of years. But from my country are the usual immigrants that gets picked on because they are "criminal". Its just a few but hate sites makes it look like everyone is like that and that makes the whole Internet be against them.

Maybe thats why "sane" people are getting more sensitive in the net and calls everyone racist for saying something "bad". Yeah even they are sometimes too much making people wonder if they are racists or not.