Sandie Zimmerman, wife of Jewish Voices Messianic Rabbi Jack Zimmerman, shares fascinating revelations about the true time period of Yeshuas (Jesus) birth in this YouTube video.

You will be surprised to learn it wasnt December 25! By looking at the biblical account and the timing of the Jewish festivals, you will be astounded at the fulfillment of both prophecy and the historical elements that clearly point to Yeshua being born at the time of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles or Feast of Booths), not in December on Christmas.

Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptist’s father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.

I tend to suspect that the Christians in the Roman empire were not so ill-informed, stupid, and dull as to get the date wrong after 200 years or so (when they first started celebrating Jesus’ birthday), and Christmas has NEVER been celebrated in the Fall.

So sorry Messianic Jews, Sukkot is NOT Jesus’ birthday—and 99.99% of Christ followers in history agree. You may want to get on the bandwagon and celebrate the date Jesus’ followers have faithfully followed for at least 1700 years.

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posted on 09/22/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT
by AnalogReigns
(because the real world is not digital...)

Here's a chart someone put together...of course I'm for the 25th...it's when the world comes together to celebrate even if they don't believe in Christ the Spirit of Christ is known and heard throughout on the 25th.... He his honored fully that day....and I rejoice in that...

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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posted on 09/22/2013 6:30:44 PM PDT
by Repeat Offender
(What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)

That’s because the new year didn’t begin in January back then, but in early spring. There have been various systems, and the calendar has been adjusted several times. Our current system, the Gregorian calendar, came into use in 1582.

I don't believe in Zeus either, But I believe in the real God. Just keep in mind, if you are right, and there is no God, well then we all end up as worm food. If Christians are right, then you might want to read the bible and talk to someone. It will give purpose and meaning to your life. Call it fire insurance. :)

>> “Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptists father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.” <<

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Nonsense!

Using the courses of service would deliver dates roughly 6 months apart, so December 25 is completely impossible.

Since Zeremiah served in the course of Abia, as stated in the scriptures, Sukkot is shown to be the date. But that should be no surprise, since the purpose of Sukkot was to prophecy the coming of the Messiach.

SkyDancer is a very smart person (based on posts I've seen), but like many other thinking folks, what little evidence they have seen, is easily disproven because it is lies that we've inherited. Just like Christmas being celebrated as the birth of the Messiah, when clearly it isn't.

SkyDancer, the reality, once you start examining it, leaves little doubt that a higher power exists - I promise you will be blown away by the enormity of it all. PM me if you need a few suggestions of where to start looking. ;)

The problem with that date is that April would be when an agricultural society, like most of Roman subjects would have been, starts planting their crops. After a long winter, their wealth would be at a low point and there would be very little to collect, which was the reason why Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem.

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posted on 09/22/2013 6:58:35 PM PDT
by Jonty30
(What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)

Christ fulfilled all “the shadows” of things to come. I don’t think he at all minds when we celebrate His birth, rather that we understand why HE came and His purposes.

Rather like people attempting to put a date on His second coming....we see the signs...which as at his birth were significant and with much meaning....but HE’s chosen not to tell us exactly when.

So too His birth...we can get a general idea but to get caught up in when exactly He was born is to miss the message of the “Good News”....and it is that Good news we celebrate...”A Savior is Born”....and generally when Christians do celebrate the Savior’s arrival.

the Apostle says,... “let no one act as your judge in regard to . . .”

He is saying don’t let anyone tell you these things are ‘requirements’ for fellowship with God.... They were only shadows of the person and work of Christ,.... He has not only come and fulfilled those shadows, but He is ‘totally sufficient’.

Colossians 2:16 and 17.... in no way forbids believers from commemorating something such as the birth of Christ if it is done out of love, devotion, and the joy the season gives when used as a way of focusing on the Savior and not as a religious duty...... The issue is not the observance date or time, but the reason, the attitudes and the spirit in which it is done.

I personally believe The Messiah was born in the 1st day of God’s calendar 6th month. Exactly 40 days before the Day of Atonement - where on the day of Atonement He was dedicated At the temple after the circumcision and the day purification of Miriam. They would still be in the area or Tabernacles for him to dwell as John put it...

Actually, depending on when Zacharius, John the Baptists father served in the Temple, gives a possible date of...NOW OR, around Dec. 25th.

I tend to suspect that the Christians in the Roman empire were not so ill-informed, stupid, and dull as to get the date wrong after 200 years or so (when they first started celebrating Jesus birthday), and Christmas has NEVER been celebrated in the Fall.

So sorry Messianic Jews, Sukkot is NOT Jesus birthdayand 99.99% of Christ followers in history agree. You may want to get on the bandwagon and celebrate the date Jesus followers have faithfully followed for at least 1700 years.

So you can explain those shepherds watching their flocks in late December, right?

FYI, for over a thousand years the Catholic Church was notorious for slapping Catholic Holy Days on top of "pagan" Holy Days, and building churches on top of "pagan" Holy Sites.

And right around December 25, there is the Winter Solstice, which is celebrated by the "pagans" as when the sun "stops" and then restarts after three days of apparent immobility in the the zodiac, being "born" as the "new sun(son) on... what a coincidence... December 25th.

Grow up. You want to be a Christian, fine. But at least acknowledge the existence of the rest of world history before you spit.

Well I suppose if one is Jewish these dates make a difference...since they were directed to the Jewish People....however in Christ we are complete in Him...the observances of all the laws was met in Him...and so He becomes our all in all.

So no...Jesus set us free from the Jewish rites, ceremonies and religious feasts once were commanded. Now we celebrate Him and what He has done for us.

To say that God is “incensed” when we celebrate His birth on a particular day...puts a person back ‘under bondage’ to these rites and celebrations once offered to the Jewish people.

Early Christians did not celebrate Jesus birth for first one or two hundred years, and even condemned the practice when pagans wanted to introduce it.

We are specifically instructed, on the other hand, to celebrate not His birth - but His death - often. The dates of His birth or death are not important. What occured in his death is all-important. Our salvation. Proven by His resurrection.

<...”Actually, no, he (Christ) only completed some interim fulfillment's”....>

Well yes he did fulfill all that HE said HE would and did. His last words were..”It's finished”....all the law was fully met in Him...all the requirements HE met through His life, death and His Resurrection. IF we're going to keep old testament laws, then we better make sure we keep all of them,... including all implied laws of adultery by thought and murder by hate.... Which of course is impossible, except in Christ.....

What christian do you know today who claims to follow the Old Testament law is going to Jerusalem three times a year? Because that is the law of God. .....What christian follows the law of splashing blood on the door posts? That also is the law of God.

But you see, there are some groups who want to pick and choose (depending upon their traditions) what Old Testament laws they want to keep, and which ones they exclude themselves from....... But the law isn't a salad bar where we take what we want, and leave the rest. If we are indebted to one law, we're indebted to all the laws.

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