Bartoli has power and consistency off both wings. A slugfest favors Bartoli. She can stay in rallies longer.

Bartoli doesn't move well. Sabine better not fall in love with all power all the time. She's been mixing in dropshots thus far. The won't even have to be that good.

Bartoli has a good ROS. If will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Sabine has "picked strategic" times to go on walkabout-she lost 8 games in a row to Serena. Lost 7 or 7 of 8? today to end the 2nd and start the 3rd 0-3. I guess that gives her a lot of belief when she gets down. I'd like to say...but this is the Wimbledon final, she won't get away with it again. But the I remembered it's the women's final, so sure she can

Marion is tenacious, gritty, and annoying. She's been to a Wimbledon final. I think she knows this is hers to win.

Bartoli has power and consistency off both wings. A slugfest favors Bartoli. She can stay in rallies longer.

Bartoli doesn't move well. Sabine better not fall in love with all power all the time. She's been mixing in dropshots thus far. The won't even have to be that good.

Bartoli has a good ROS. If will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Sabine has "picked strategic" times to go on walkabout-she lost 8 games in a row to Serena. Lost 7 or 7 of 8? today to end the 2nd and start the 3rd 0-3. I guess that gives her a lot of belief when she gets down. I'd like to say...but this is the Wimbledon final, she won't get away with it again. But the I remembered it's the women's final, so sure she can

Marion is tenacious, gritty, and annoying. She's been to a Wimbledon final. I think she knows this is hers to win.

I really would have liked Murray's to be the first match but he's coming off a 5 setter and will probably generate more crowd, so I understand. I just have some obligations tomorrow morning but hopefully something will turn up at the last minute.

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Babbs, I've given my take on the 1st match already but that was on the other forum and before the Verdasco match. Needless to say I was thinking ahead, (lol) so I am not sure how valid it is. Murray's feeling a bit pressure and after that dramatic match just yesterday, I am going to have ejust wait and see. Some of the points should still be valid however. I don't take much into account the Kubot match because I don't think he's as good as Melzer on grass.

But here it is:

Janowicz had 16 Aces against Melzer over a 5 set match. First serve in was 57% and won 80% of them. Winners 54 while Melzer had 57. Keep in mind that Melzer had 5 less Aces than JJ, so clearly he was the more aggressive player of the two. Janowicz also had 26 unforced errors as opposed to Melzer's 19. Melzer also had a better 2nd serve % win. What went against Melzer was that he was only able to convert 3 of 12 break points. This means JJ was able to serve better in key situations and that basically helped him win the match. Otherwise Melzer had the upper hand on most accounts.

Andy is the better mover and a great returner compared to Melzer and certainly better than JJ. His 1st serve is also a big weapon. These will be the key in that match should they both advance. Andy will have to take all his chances on JJ's 2nd serve but I feel he'll be able to take a stab at his 1st as well. Andy, in fact, is a better returner on the 1st. And there are other elements like, very big occasion for JJ, crowd support for Andy etc. and Janowicz being tired since he has not come this far in any Major so some of his game and physical aspects should be well compromised. Unless of course he's blind to all that or unaware, there shouldn't be any critical problem. He should be hot and heavy at least for a set and half, but after that, Andy will have him on the ropes. Andy has enormous experience playing in Majors against the top guys and beating on a few occasions. And these two have played very recently so no tricky opponent for Andy. In an ideal world, Andy should prevail on all accounts and he will.

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As to Delpo/Nole match, I do remember their meeting at the US Open. Delpo had his chances in the 2nd set but even then Nole was firmly in control of the match. But then again you have the match in IW where Delpo took care of Nole in the semi. Delpo is obviously not afraid to play in major occasions against the top guns, but he will have to bring a bit more in this match against Nole than his qtr final match. He played incredibly well against a grinder like Ferrer and blew him off the court at times, but obviously it's harder to get past Nole at the baseline. I don't feel Nole will give him many chances like that. As long as Delpo dictates the points, I like his chances. But with the knee and all, I am not sure what to expect. Nole looks very good at the moment but Berdy was very much spent after the two back to back competitive matches, so perhaps Del Po will be Nole's first real test. I'd like to pick Delpo in 4 if he's completely healthy.

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My take...In the first match, I really don't care who wins it. Novak vs Del Potro... But I really think Novak will win it.In the 2nd match...it would be great if the new comer (Janowicz) wins, just because of how unpredictable this Wimbledon has been. But...I really think Murray will have no problem with him.

In the final... Come on Lisicki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I won't go as far as Alex and talk about Bartoli, but I just hate...absolutely hate...her game. Nothing against her, but the quirks, the no ball bounce, the fighting with swords/rackets, etc...those things just 'irks' me somehow. So I definitely will not be pulling for her.

As to Delpo/Nole match, I do remember their meeting at the US Open. Delpo had his chances in the 2nd set but even then Nole was firmly in control of the match. But then again you have the match in IW where Delpo took care of Nole in the semi. Delpo is obviously not afraid to play in major occasions against the top guns, but he will have to bring a bit more in this match against Nole than his qtr final match. He played incredibly well against a grinder like Ferrer and blew him off the court at times, but obviously it's harder to get past Nole at the baseline. I don't feel Nole will give him many chances like that. As long as Delpo dictates the points, I like his chances. But with the knee and all, I am not sure what to expect. Nole looks very good at the moment but Berdy was very much spent after the two back to back competitive matches, so perhaps Del Po will be Nole's first real test. I'd like to pick Delpo in 4 if he's completely healthy.

I agree. Also keep in mind Delpo beat Djokovic on grass at the Olympics last year in straights to take the bronze, that was a huge surprise to me. Actually Delpotro doing well on grass comes as a bit of a surprise for me as well - I know he's beaten some folks now but still. The knee might be an issue but regardless, Delpotro doesn't have anything special that Berdych doesn't and Djokovic should take care of business in three or max 4 sets.

So Babs wants some analysis. I do some long ones on MTF, not here, because everyone is more casual, and very few people do any meaningful analyses here. MTF consists of 80% trolls, tards and kids. However the 20% left are very smart and knowledgeable. So, sometimes in order to find a good post you have to go through pages and pages of pure BS.

Here, we are like a little family, same 10/20 guys (plus Emma) posting all the time.

Anyway, what is going to happen tomorrow?

DP, even when 100% always has had a big match-up issue with Djokovic. Yes, he won their only match on grass but Djokovic is playing the best grass tennis ever at the moment. His movement has improved on grass a lot and he looks scary good. He'll probably make DP run from left to right, right to left and DP is not a great mover while Djokovic is moving effortlessly, like a puma. DP will have to serve exceptionally well, anything bellow 80% will not cut it because Novak is returning like being possessed.

low bounce ball on grass will be DP's big enemy here (it's a problem for all super tall guys and it will be a big problem for Janowicz too). DP is also not comfortible at the net and that's something Djokovic will probably try to exploit. Now, some guys think Nole is not 'that good' at the net. check out his stats If you don't believe me.

The first serve conversion will be very important too. DP, as I said must serve out of his mind, that is his only chance to win this match hoping that Djokovic 1.0 might show up. I doubt it. I think Djokovic will take this in 3 or 4 sets.

Now, Murray vs. Janowicz. very similar situation. Murry will need to neutralize Jerzy's first serve, and I think he'll do it because his ROS is great. However, what I said about DP applies to Jerzy too. He needs to serve out of his mind, that's his only chance. Murray is simply better at all other aspects of game than Janowicz.

One more thing ... Murray needs to improve his second serve. It's simply not good. It's a big liability and If his opponent is smart enough he can exploit it easily. Also, Janowitcz tends to be too emotional, even neurotic and that will work out against him. Big stage, the crowd will be pro Murray, not so sure if he'll be able to deal with it.

Murray in 3.

I hope Babbs is happy that I had to type all of this, feeling so tired. Emma, could you come over and massage my back, shoulders and my fingers please ?