Thanks for the link, Subby. That was neat. But who ever put together the "Old School" selection is apparently 25 years old. How does Jim Brown or Walter Payton -two of the most iconic players get left off?

I can respect Tim Brown as the Raiders 'old school' pick, but I think Rich Gannon and Kenny Stabler also have legitimate claims to have been included. Janikowski should have gotten the nod over Carson Palmer for the current player slot.

Frederick:Thanks for the link, Subby. That was neat. But who ever put together the "Old School" selection is apparently 25 years old. How does Jim Brown or Walter Payton -two of the most iconic players get left off?

swahnhennessy:That's not old school. Bronco Nagurski is old school. Y.A. Tittle is old school. Red Grange is old school. The guys in the link aren't even middle-age school.

Most people that would be voting have probably never seen any of these guys play. It would all be hearsay and old NFL films clips.

Frederick:Thanks for the link, Subby. That was neat. But who ever put together the "Old School" selection is apparently 25 years old. How does Jim Brown or Walter Payton -two of the most iconic players get left off?

Maybe beyond a certain year, EA doesn't have the rights to those players' likenesses? I have no idea but that's the only reason I can come up with as to why they wouldn't be there.

But you're right, Ron Rivera being there instead of Walter Payton justseems like they're trolling us.

Frederick:Thanks for the link, Subby. That was neat. But who ever put together the "Old School" selection is apparently 25 years old. How does Jim Brown or Walter Payton -two of the most iconic players get left off?

Walter Peyton is dead, so it would be hard to get him to grant likeness rights.

Jim Brown and EA had a bit of a legal kerfuffle back a few years ago when Brown sued EA for including his likeness in the game (they never used his name or his picture, just his uniform number and an avatar that looked like a big black guy).

My borther and I are actually friends with Jake. We went to high school together. The last time we talked he mentioned that when he left Cleveland he had options with many teams as the vet back-up, but he wasn't going to do that because he felt he could still start in the NFL. It really is sad when you see a friend lose grips with reality. Both my brother and I told him that he was probably grasping at straws, but he wouldn't hear it. Jake really is a great guy and he still talks to anyone that walks up to him. He is just a good ole cajun boy at heart. He rightfully catches hell here on fark for his woeful performance in that game, but he had a good career which is more than many NFL hopeful QB's can say.

Frederick:Thanks for the link, Subby. That was neat. But who ever put together the "Old School" selection is apparently 25 years old. How does Jim Brown or Walter Payton -two of the most iconic players get left off?

...and they left in Matt Forte. I'm a Bears fan and I voted against him.