Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Hmmm . . .

I should add that Hopkins, our confirmed DF49+ DF23- guy, also has 481=22.

Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Hmmm . . .

I think I will be surprised if Leister is DF23+.

--david

I agree. He and Hopkins have 481=22, but no one in DF23+ or M222+ has a value that low there.

Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Hmmm . . .

I should add that Hopkins, our confirmed DF49+ DF23- guy, also has 481=22.

Hmmm . . . hmmm! ;-)

Yes, it does appear we can see the incremental changes in 481 through the SNP trail.

Well, argiedude is DF13+. That gives us one weird haplotype for our club.

Rich, remember what I have been saying from years:1) to test these Kellaways, who are the closest to him2) to test some relative in Italy to be sure that this is his descent3) after we’ll be able to search where an Italian Lake Region R-L21/DF13+ come from.

Well, argiedude is DF13+. That gives us one weird haplotype for our club.

Rich, remember what I have been saying from years:1) to test these Kellaways, who are the closest to him2) to test some relative in Italy to be sure that this is his descent3) after we’ll be able to search where an Italian Lake Region R-L21/DF13+ come from.

No response from the Kellaways (which is also what happened when I wrote them a couple of years ago).

I don't know whether or not argiedude has relatives in Italy. Getting him to answer an email at all is a game of chance, and he is a very private person, not even including his surname in his Ysearch entry or on his FTDNA pages.

No response from the Kellaways (which is also what happened when I wrote them a couple of years ago).I don't know whether or not argiedude has relatives in Italy. Getting him to answer an email at all is a game of chance, and he is a very private person, not even including his surname in his Ysearch entry or on his FTDNA pages.

Then we cannot build theories upon these people. R-L21 in Italy remains a chimera.

No response from the Kellaways (which is also what happened when I wrote them a couple of years ago).I don't know whether or not argiedude has relatives in Italy. Getting him to answer an email at all is a game of chance, and he is a very private person, not even including his surname in his Ysearch entry or on his FTDNA pages.

Then we cannot build theories upon these people. R-L21 in Italy remains a chimera.

Like one of my closest matches (the one actually born and raised in England): not cooperating, and so of little use.

Leister, kit N26284, also got a DF49+ result. He is M222- but has not yet tested for DF23. What is interesting about him is that he has 481=22 (the modal value). If he is DF23+, then he will have the lowest 481 value of any DF23+ guy thus far.

Hmmm . . .

Leister came up DF23+ this morning (it's a bit after midnight where I am), but McElrea, kit 216031, jumped in and took his place. He's DF49+ DF23-.

Obviously it's not exact there are some mistakes in this especially the 67 STR tree where i see a number of Null425 folks are pulled into DF41 cluster. However given that Moreno seems to fall over near the L744 part of tree it would be interesting to see if he is indeed DF41+

Obviously it's not exact there are some mistakes in this especially the 67 STR tree where i see a number of Null425 folks are pulled into DF41 cluster. However given that Moreno seems to fall over near the L744 part of tree it would be interesting to see if he is indeed DF41+

-Paul(DF41+)

He hasn't ordered it that I can see, but Jose is an enthusiastic SNP hunter. I just sent him an email about what you pointed out.

Obviously it's not exact there are some mistakes in this especially the 67 STR tree where i see a number of Null425 folks are pulled into DF41 cluster. However given that Moreno seems to fall over near the L744 part of tree it would be interesting to see if he is indeed DF41+

-Paul(DF41+)

He hasn't ordered it that I can see, but Jose is an enthusiastic SNP hunter. I just sent him an email about what you pointed out.

I'm guessing he will order DF41.

Rich,

Thanks hopefully he will, it will be interesting either way. One it will help validate Alex tree bit more, McMillian and McCrere who are in the 67STR DF41 cluster both came back as DF41+. Given that Jose appears to cluster near the L744+ folk it would be interesting if he is DF41+, and if so then to see what his status is with regards to L744 and L746.

Obviously it's not exact there are some mistakes in this especially the 67 STR tree where i see a number of Null425 folks are pulled into DF41 cluster. However given that Moreno seems to fall over near the L744 part of tree it would be interesting to see if he is indeed DF41+

-Paul(DF41+)

He hasn't ordered it that I can see, but Jose is an enthusiastic SNP hunter. I just sent him an email about what you pointed out.

I'm guessing he will order DF41.

Rich,

Thanks hopefully he will, it will be interesting either way. One it will help validate Alex tree bit more, McMillian and McCrere who are in the 67STR DF41 cluster both came back as DF41+. Given that Jose appears to cluster near the L744+ folk it would be interesting if he is DF41+, and if so then to see what his status is with regards to L744 and L746.

-Paul(DF41+)

We'll know soon, because I just heard back from Jose, and he's ordered DF41 already. :-)