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So quick question how did they make nick fury a white guy to a black guy in the comics. I don't understand why they need to do this. Zodac fury, they did with the punisher in the 90's. Why not just make a new character that is a different race then white. I really don't like that they do it. I see in movies but I'm still against it.

The Ultimate universe could get away with changing races, since it was an alternate universe. They made the Wasp an Asian woman and a mutant.

Ultimate Universe Nick Fury is based off Samuel L. Jackson with his permission for the Ultimates (the Ultimate version of the Avengers). Naturally, the movies would hire Sam Jackson and use that particular character instead of the standard 616 version. Now the general public sees Nick Fury as Samuel L. Jackson, thanks to all of those Marvel movies and TV Shows (Avengers: EMH and Ultimate Spider-Man)

Eventually, the 616 comics has to match the public's idea of what Nick Fury looks like, as BCI Guy explains.

I think that the two companies should have swapped tactics. I think Marvel should have rebooted it's entire universe and washed away Loeb, Bendis and Millar, while DC should have simply refreshed some of the lackluster or underperforming parts of it's universe.

well first they replace Ultimate Peter Parker with that stupid Miles Morales character and now it looks like 616 Peter is being replaced as well, with the writer dropping subtle hints that it may not be Peter Parker under the mask

"“Peter Parker has spent a lifetime living up to the responsibilities his powers foisted upon him but his Amazing story finally ends dramatically in the historic Spider-Man #700,” Marvel said. “NOW! the new Spider-Man has arrived and he is better in every single way. Smarter, stronger…Superior.”"

Now if this is true and they have yet again replaced Peter Parker with another guy (like they did in Ultimate universe) then all I can say is that I hope it bombs spectacularly and that the whole stupid company (Marvel) goes out of business

With the other statements I took it less like they are replacing Peter Parker with another character and more replacing Peter Parker with another Peter Parker that all these young hip kids can get into.

One Gum Drop to rule them all, One Gum Drop to find them,
One Gum Drop to bring them all and in the sweetness bind them
In the Land of Candy where the Gingerbreads lie.
-Tag line for the Candy Land Movie Adaptation

The Ultimate universe could get away with changing races, since it was an alternate universe. They made the Wasp an Asian woman and a mutant.

Ultimate Universe Nick Fury is based off Samuel L. Jackson with his permission for the Ultimates (the Ultimate version of the Avengers). Naturally, the movies would hire Sam Jackson and use that particular character instead of the standard 616 version. Now the general public sees Nick Fury as Samuel L. Jackson, thanks to all of those Marvel movies and TV Shows (Avengers: EMH and Ultimate Spider-Man)

Eventually, the 616 comics has to match the public's idea of what Nick Fury looks like, as BCI Guy explains.

Wasp being asian in the Ultimate Universe...lasted for what, 5 minutes?

Nick Fury's secret son, Sgt. Marcus Johnson who is an African American and ends up losing one eye in the series... Nick Fury retires at the end of the series, and his son joins S.H.I.E.L.D. Johnson changes his name to his original birth name of Nick Fury Jr.

Originally Posted by Axel Alonso

Marvel NOW! hearkens back to 11 years ago, when Marvel found great success employing a simple formula: great artist plus great writer plus great character plus great story.

well first they replace Ultimate Peter Parker with that stupid Miles Morales character and now it looks like 616 Peter is being replaced as well, with the writer dropping subtle hints that it may not be Peter Parker under the mask

"“Peter Parker has spent a lifetime living up to the responsibilities his powers foisted upon him but his Amazing story finally ends dramatically in the historic Spider-Man #700,” Marvel said. “NOW! the new Spider-Man has arrived and he is better in every single way. Smarter, stronger…Superior.”"

Now if this is true and they have yet again replaced Peter Parker with another guy (like they did in Ultimate universe) then all I can say is that I hope it bombs spectacularly and that the whole stupid company (Marvel) goes out of business

Unless it ends up being some plot device to reboot Spider-Man to his world before Brand New Day, count me out. I'm still boycotting Spidey until they fix that mess.

Ultimate Janet Van Dyne was Asian all the way through. But she is is dead now. The Ultimate Blob was eating her corpse during Ultimatum.

I thought some pencilers stopped drawing her that way about half way through, but since I only seen parts of The Ultimates' run, I'm probably the one mistaken. I remember that end too and thought it was lame.

As a big fan of Bendis' independent work, I've thought other than Alias and his early Daredevil he has been pretty horrible.

BUT, I think Ultimate Spider-Man was a terrific book until the Universe got too continuity heavy, and the Miles Morales Spider-Man is actually pretty great.

Yeah I was wondering, I've heard good things about Miles story, not blaming anyone on the boards but people get so angry when they have a black character take on a character who was white before. but in this case sure it's spider-man but it's not like they made Peter Parker black. anyway I wanted to catch up on this run because I've heard good things.

Yeah I was wondering, I've heard good things about Miles story, not blaming anyone on the boards but people get so angry when they have a black character take on a character who was white before. but in this case sure it's spider-man but it's not like they made Peter Parker black. anyway I wanted to catch up on this run because I've heard good things.

You should check it out. You really don't need any background as I'm pretty sure the series covers everything you need to know. You'll also want to check out the recently concluded 5 issue "Spider-Men" series as well. Its really good.

I have heard good things, my problem was (minor) they made his replacement a half-black half-mexican homosexual. The last could have just been rumour though, it just seemed like they were blatantly stacking stuff up for the sake of trying to be relevant. That is/was a minor issue.

My real problem was between ultimatum and the death of Peter Parker the story telling seemed to be just phoned in, with little to absolutely nothing happening in issue after issue. I often had to check the previous issue just to make sure I hadn't gotten a double because of that. I got the feeling when I started hearing reviews for the Miles story that Marvel did this on purpose so they could say Peter's story was done and they were moving onto another character. Which I have no problem with that, except it seemed like they were forcing the issue instead of just letting it happen. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if the Miles story could have been more or less told with Peter Parker.

Of course the other problem I haven't bought a modern Marvel comic since I dropped Ultimate Spider-man. I do pick up some of the older trades, especially when I can get a good deal on them

One Gum Drop to rule them all, One Gum Drop to find them,
One Gum Drop to bring them all and in the sweetness bind them
In the Land of Candy where the Gingerbreads lie.
-Tag line for the Candy Land Movie Adaptation

You should check it out. You really don't need any background as I'm pretty sure the series covers everything you need to know. You'll also want to check out the recently concluded 5 issue "Spider-Men" series as well. Its really good.

yeah in a few weeks I'm planning on catching up on some stories I've been curious about. I will get into that thanks man!!

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Originally Posted by wyldman11

I have heard good things, my problem was (minor) they made his replacement a half-black half-mexican homosexual. The last could have just been rumour though, it just seemed like they were blatantly stacking stuff up for the sake of trying to be relevant. That is/was a minor issue.

My real problem was between ultimatum and the death of Peter Parker the story telling seemed to be just phoned in, with little to absolutely nothing happening in issue after issue. I often had to check the previous issue just to make sure I hadn't gotten a double because of that. I got the feeling when I started hearing reviews for the Miles story that Marvel did this on purpose so they could say Peter's story was done and they were moving onto another character. Which I have no problem with that, except it seemed like they were forcing the issue instead of just letting it happen. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if the Miles story could have been more or less told with Peter Parker.

Of course the other problem I haven't bought a modern Marvel comic since I dropped Ultimate Spider-man. I do pick up some of the older trades, especially when I can get a good deal on them

couldn't they have put him ina wheelchair too!?!? I will see what I think though, I've heard good things so I'm interested for sure.

My real problem was between ultimatum and the death of Peter Parker the story telling seemed to be just phoned in, with little to absolutely nothing happening in issue after issue. I often had to check the previous issue just to make sure I hadn't gotten a double because of that. I got the feeling when I started hearing reviews for the Miles story that Marvel did this on purpose so they could say Peter's story was done and they were moving onto another character. Which I have no problem with that, except it seemed like they were forcing the issue instead of just letting it happen. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if the Miles story could have been more or less told with Peter Parker.

The big problem with Ultimate Spider-Man is that after 160 issues, it had developed so much continuity and reliance on itself, it was no longer the "friendly to new readers" book it started out as. And it was becoming more and more just retelling classic Spider-Man stories with a twist.

I commend them for going in a new direction.

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Originally Posted by wolfsfang

I refuse to read any of his comics simply because he is NOT Peter and therefor will NEVER be Spider-Man to me

He's not supposed to be Peter or that version of Spider-Man - and he's not supposed to replace him in your head or your heart. He's a new character that was inspired (literally and figuratively) by a GREAT hero. He's more of a "legacy throwback" - like Alan Scott > Hal Jordan or Jay Garrick > Barry Allen.