Wednesday, October 21, 2015

Money for Guns

Hours after Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced a $250,000 gun buyback program on Monday, a downstate gun-rights advocate promised to come to Chicago to exploit it.

“We will be delighted to transact business once more with do-gooders in Chicago,” John Boch, executive director of Champaign-based Guns Save Life, said Monday.

Guns Save Life used Chicago’s 2012 gun buyback to embarrass city officials. That year, members said they turned in about 60 guns — some of them rusty and inoperable.

They received $100 MasterCard gift cards for each gun, which they used to buy ammunition for a National Rifle Association youth camp in Bloomington and bolt-action rifles to give away to campers.

Suburban Chicago gun dealers also took advantage of the no-questions-asked policy of the 2012 buyback to unload inventory worth less than $100 in exchange for the $100 cards, sources said.

At the time, city officials angrily accused Guns Save Life of abusing a program intended to take guns off the streets of Chicago and reduce violence. But Boch says the group was simply demonstrating the ineffectiveness of the program.

“Tell the mayor we need substance over symbolism,” he said Monday.

As members of these organizations, we'd also extend our thanks to the mayor and the gullible taxpayers/corporations coming up with this money. It shall be put to good use.

Mayor Emanuel says officials and community leaders will make sure that gun rights advocates don’t scam the weapons buyback program by turning in worthless guns for gift cards. The Champaign-based group Guns Save Life has threatened to turn in worthless, inoperable guns.

“One of the things we did to redesign it is to work through our church leaders to make sure it’s exactly taking guns that we think need to get off the street off the streets,” Emanuel said. “I know where I stand. I stand with the residents, yesterday as well as last night, who want to see police on the street and getting both guns and kids off the street.”

And how exactly are the churches going to do this? Because churches are experts on guns. And the Department has already stated there will be no checking of ID's and pretty much no questions asked. It's not like they're setting up a portable firing range to test these things.

Are they going to discriminate against white people bringing in guns? Because we know lots of black people who belong to these groups. Are they going to only put the money in black neighborhoods? That might appear to be racist against brown and white people, after all, they're victims of crime, too. Oh wait...is Rahm only putting the quarter million in neighborhoods hardest hit by violence? Now we're getting closer to the problem that no one speaks about, but still claims is racist.

Give it up Rahm. One way or the other, you're going to give a bunch of this money to people who use it to educate people as to gun rights, sharpen their gun skills, or support gun camps for kids.

Question for the beat cops: isn't the black market price for a working gun higher than $100 - I thought it was $200-$400 bucks?

If you're making a turn guns in no question asked program into an economic decision, no one in their right mind will sell something worth way more for $100 gift card. As someone with background in economics, this seems a bit idiotic.

Do you have FFLs and collectors line up near the buy-backs to intercept the good guns and offer a fair price? You know that if a collector or FFL buys the guns, they will go to a good home, and they are as off the streets as if Rahm himself personally melted them down.

I like the way you put it SCC. Da Mayor is going to get some generally worthless guns off the streets, and by doing so, he will be financing gun camps for kids, training ammo, and other gun rights related things. We all know gun buy backs are a sham and don't reduce crime. If liberals really wanted to reduce crime they would. They know what works. Tough law enforcement, putting crooks in jail and keeping them there and promoting families.

Why only ghetto churches? you know Phelgers on the list for gun pick ups, hey media anyone ever thought of FOIA father Pheleger and ask how many City special programs have passed through his hands? Ask City Hall to give up the info!

Millions! If you think the heads of schools would steal you can't tell me a priest would not!

Rest assured that non functioning replica guns, lighters in the likeness of a gun,.177 caliber pellet guns, plastic guns with bright orange safety barrel tips and ivory handled cap guns will no longer be accepted. The department has put a safeguard in place. Community policing officers will utilize their gun familiarity experience and street knowledge to thwart those who seek to scam this mayoral sanctioned violence reduction initiative. Administrative officers will ensure the department reports are in chronological order and also ensure efficiency rationing paper clips, white out,staples and manila file folders. Tactical teams attired in backward ball caps will inventory these turn ins to elevate their status and stats.

Retiree health insurance $1,600 a month for husband and wife , $250k left over from block party funds .Sanctuary city is costing tax payers how much ?Extra money to buy back broken guns or guns from honest citizens .Don't forget cost of police salaries to work this program , money would be better for overtime ,extra officers on patrol .

And away we go again with the utter stupidity wasting taxpayers money again! The same old nonsense just raised taxes now throw it all away! No wonder Trump an outsider is tops in polls! Black white brown all tired of total disregard for innocent honest people! Hope the Feds gut city/state/ county ASAP! Bennett the bird sing, Dorothy brown come on girl talk! In

Yes, they have minority members. They even have women members too, I'd bet. Holy shit, I went to their website and their vice-president is a woman! And their Chicago meeting coordinator is a black woman!

I confess: I've been to a couple of their meetings downstate and they even had a tranny. No shit. So much for the liberals thinking they are a bunch of redneck good old boys.

Rahm thinks all these gun people are old white guys. Joke's on you, shorty.

Either way it is a win-win for the city. Rahm will use this as an opportunity to lie to the public more by saying how he is "making the streets safer", the democrats want to disarm all citizens and this is another bullshit waste of taxpayer dollars to give back to their constituents. There should never be such a thing to give away taxpayer dollars for people to do the right thing. Yet another idiotic democratic, liberal idea.

Tact teams will be stationed at turn in locations to seize any White turn-ins not deemed worthy of a gift card. The White folk will then be put thru the legal ringer if they do not acquiesce to the seizure.

Everything Rahm does has to do with money,but he won't pay his debt,if you had a missing digit and you never got it back and had to put on a tutu and go to ballet lessons you'd be an @$$#ole too! An arrogant one at that!

"...and your tricks for free"?????? Really????!!!! "Money for nothing and the CHICKS for free..."

You're also the one that thinks it's "...Hold me close now, Tony Danza..." (Elton John-"Tiny Dancer") and "...revved up like a douche, another rumor in the night..." (Manfred Mann-"Blinded By The Light").

"A grieving mother of an alleged gangster in Puerto Rico had her dead son propped up in her bar to play one last game of dominos.

"Pictures show the late 23-year old Jomar Aguayo Collazo sitting at a table inside his mother's bar and dressed in a blue and white tracksuit with matching hat and sunglasses. In one hand, the corpse holds a domino and in the other a condom.

"Aguayo Collazo and two other alleged gang members were shot dead inside his mother's bar in Río Piedras, Puerto Rico just days before as he celebrated his birthday. Police purportedly found a gun on Aguayo Collazo following what is being described as a drug-related shooting..."

Anonymous Anonymous said...Question for the beat cops: isn't the black market price for a working gun higher than $100 - I thought it was $200-$400 bucks?

If you're making a turn guns in no question asked program into an economic decision, no one in their right mind will sell something worth way more for $100 gift card. As someone with background in economics, this seems a bit idiotic.

10/21/2015 01:18:00 AM

Winner winner! Chicken dinner! That's exactly the point. A decent gun costs so much more than $100. There has almost got to be a catch for this to be a bargain or break even situation. There are two main categories: the gun sucks and had no value anymore or the gun was used in the commission of a crime and you can sell it back to the city for $100...(a lot of other people won't want to buy it from you knowing there are bodies on it).

It's a political move because other people actually believe paying for guns off the street does something. Most people aren't giving up a gun they actually want to keep.

Anonymous said...So SCC, you support what the Guns Save Life organization is planning on doing?

10/21/2015 12:31:00 AM

What a silly question. What do you think people in the city are doing?...I don't own a gun in poor enough condition to accept only $100 for it. If I did, I'd be out there too. You actually think people are turning in good guns? THEY COST TOO MUCH TO TRADE IN FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICE. This program, legitimately, is only for people trying to rid of guns they don't want or need, probably belonging to deceased family members and being old, rusty, pieces of crap that have sat in some attic or drawer for a long time. You act like Guns Save Lives is going to turn in a crappy gun and take the last gift card so poor Violent Felon Francis will get to the table, realize no more gift cards are left and make an ill fated decision not to change his life around thereby keeping another illegally possessed gun on the streets. Sorry. Not likely.

Guess it will mean blm "Black lies matter" group will get bulk of taxpayers cash! As usual turn in locations will be wait for it "in minority areas" areas with the most MB (make believe) deceptive churches correct? The taxpayers are really getting overwhelmed every time you turn around more of "our money" wasted away! All this found money rahm, come on sir how many billions do you have hidden away? How much tax money going to the "friends and family" programs?

So if you go to the BUY BACK, stand in line, present the firearm and for what ever reason, ( they don't like you, gun inoperable, out of gift cards) and they won't give you the money (gift card), will they let you leave with the firearm?

Hang in there, SCC. "Busy news days," more s__t going on than you could shake a stick at, Cubs, and an asteroid the size of the Empire State Building going to near-miss us on Halloween, clipping along at 72,000 MPH.

Would that last event buff out?

Like the song goes, "I like this bar." Never get beat up in here, either, unless you are adjudicated to be an "asshat."

Thanks for all of your hard work -- we all appreciate what it takes -- and keep it comin'.

Asteroids...I am seeing Slim Pickens ridin' that H-bomb down all the way.

O/TWord is out that pursuant to the new garbage tax the city will be picking up garbage cans from all residences and allowing each household 1 blue can for recycling and 1 black can for garbage. Additional cans can be requested at $8 per month. I advocate for a modern day "tea party" by thanking your respective alderman for their vote of approval on this money grab, with one or two of your neighbors' freshest bags of garbage upon the doorstep of the ward office. Time to stand up people and let your voice be heard.

From a troll: This program is another Rahm pissing up a rope with smoke and mirrors. The crime problem is the community, the catch and release juducial system of the SA's office, the corrupt court system and incomptent judges and finally, the politicians demand that their criminal constituents be treated with leinenacy. If you had mandatory gun crime sentencing, you would reduce street crime because the gunmen would be locked up. End of story. The hell with the guns, go for the gunmen and lock them up a good long time.

"Go to Shore Galleries, and they'll consign it, and you'll likely make more money provided it is not a piece of junk."

10/21/2015 10:41:00 AM

Oh, right. Some establishments are real finicky. 1911s with cracked frames, revolvers with > .080" cylinder gap, and expensive "new" rifles with the barrels green with copper fouling, take a sharp new stainless brush, half a bottle of Shooters, and 50 patches to get it out.

O/TWord is out that pursuant to the new garbage tax the city will be picking up garbage cans from all residences and allowing each household 1 blue can for recycling and 1 black can for garbage. Additional cans can be requested at $8 per month. I advocate for a modern day "tea party" by thanking your respective alderman for their vote of approval on this money grab, with one or two of your neighbors' freshest bags of garbage upon the doorstep of the ward office. Time to stand up people and let your voice be heard.

lets just say I have this "friend" who had his personal carbine stolen out of the back of a squad car, locked in the rack, parked 10 feet from the front door of a Hospital ER and directly under the hospitals security camera. Window smashed, rack broken, gun gone after sitting on a prisoner for less than 30 minutes in relief. So my friend is told by a coworker who shows up to the scene that the brand of rifle he owned DSA Arms in Lake Barrington IL has a policy of repairing or replacing any rifle they sold that is damaged or stolen while being used properly in the course of duty. This friend of mine wasn't aware of that policy because he didn't purchase the gun from the manufacturer or a dealer but from a third party as a transfer. Even after being told of the policy, this officer was afraid they wouldn't honor it because he did not buy it directly from them. Not only did DSA Arms honor the policy, they went out of their way to reach out to the officer within hours of the incident to make sure that he knew about the policy - they even replaced the minor add ons and extras the officer had installed after purchasing the Rifle as well as throwing in some other minor magpul extras that he inquired about purchasing for his rifle while they were setting up his replacement rifle - they even discounted some ammo and a cleaning kit he bought when picking up the replacement rifle - they totally went out of their way and bent over backward to replace at no cost a very expensive piece of equipment the officer otherwise would not have likely had the money to replace right away. I just thought a company that goes the extra mile to be good to the CPD ought to be recognized. So if you are thinking of buying a carbine, DSA Arms in Lake Barrington IL would probably be a great choice for any member of CPD.

"lets just say I have this "friend" who had his personal carbine stolen out of the back of a squad car, locked in the rack, parked 10 feet from the front door of a Hospital ER and directly under the hospitals security camera. Window smashed, rack broken, gun gone after sitting on a prisoner for less than 30 minutes in relief."

10/22/2015 09:51:00 AM

As brazen as it gets -- but remember, CCW holders, "leave your gun in the car" before you enter someplace with a "No Guns" sticker.

...and if you use public transportation, where you are far more vulnerable, leave it at home.

Ballerina pushed through this national health care plan so working class people could save $250 a month .Yea bs on that one , ballerina raised health care insurance for retired city workers so high , some are paying 1/3 of pension for insurance .remember folks keep voting democratic , make politicians millionaires , bring middle class down to poverty and give away more to those that can but refuse to work

I remember when they were giving gift cards for BB guns. Just about every other squad car had one I the truck or glove compartment, we would collect as many as we could and have a civilian friend turn them in. The city paid for some good parties.