spicorama:DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

He's a mall security guard actually doing his job and trying to keep some semblance of order in the place. Or would you rather just let folks run all over your business, selling drugs and robbing you left and right, scaring away customers. No, not because they're black, but because that's what happens in this part of Atlanta.

If we're talking about the same video that woman had it coming, and her kids were completely out of control yelling at the guard before it escalated. Nobody was an innocent bystander in the one I'm remembering.

His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

You didn't see the guy that got tased walk up to him and take a swing?

That right there is grounds for him to defend himself.

So therefore he's retroactively justified in tasing the guy he already tased? Doesn't work that way. If I punch you, and you then take a swing at me, I can't claim that my punching was preemptive self defense.

snocone:You seem to lack any real world experience upon which to base your crappy derp.That mall is a war zone. You start at 11 and escalate.

And you seem like a tough guy whose been around and who knows a thing or two about all of the evil in the world. I wish the internet had a phrase for guys who are as tough as you. Something that we could shorten into an acronym.

No Such Agency:This guy seems like a total moron, but he's probably the kind of moron required to prevent that mall from being robbed blind every day of the week

IF he was doing what it took, why is he a moron.

DROxINxTHExWIND:His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him

When the women swung at him it became about protection.

DROxINxTHExWIND:But that was after Blart came over there like Mr. Toughie talking about "get out". If he had grounds for them to be removed from the property there was a way to handle that without it escalating like it did. He was already cranked up to eleven when he approached them.

His videos are all over reddit. If somebody has been alrerady ordered off property and they keep returning, the security guard isn't "escalating" the situation.

These people (I am talking about the morons in the video who repeatedly ignore him, not any generalization about black people, so don't get your panties in a wad) can't be handled any other way.

snocone:DROxINxTHExWIND: spicorama: DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

He's a mall security guard actually doing his job and trying to keep some semblance of order in the place. Or would you rather just let folks run all over your business, selling drugs and robbing you left and right, scaring away customers. No, not because they're black, but because that's what happens in this part of Atlanta.

If we're talking about the same video that woman had it coming, and her kids were completely out of control yelling at the guard before it escalated. Nobody was an innocent bystander in the one I'm remembering.

His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

You didn't see the guy that got tased walk up to him and take a swing?

That right there is grounds for him to defend himself.

/I can't wait for his inevitable truetv show.

Didn't realize he swung. But that was after Blart came over there like Mr. Toughie talking about "get out". If he had grounds for them to be removed from the property there was a way to handle that without it escalating like it did. He was already cranked up to eleven when he approached them.

You seem to lack any real world experience upon which to base your crappy derp.That mall is a war zone. You start at 11 and escalate.

You ever been in a war zone? Like, a combat zone? 99 percent of the time, everything's all calm; security dude's Youtubes are just the 1 percent when the shiat hits the fan. I wouldn't have the slightest hesitation in shopping at that place; I go in to places like that all the time and nobody ever bothers me, aside from sometimes trying to bum money off me or sell me drugs. That stuff is irritating, but it doesn't hurt you. And I don't carry a pistol.

And what says "gang" about that crowd to you? Those dudes are too old to be gang bangers. I mean, sure, anybody hanging around a shiathole like that in the middle of the day is likely to be involved in some kinda bent activity, since they don't have a job, but that doesn't equal "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle."

Theaetetus:spicorama: DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

He's a mall security guard actually doing his job and trying to keep some semblance of order in the place. Or would you rather just let folks run all over your business, selling drugs and robbing you left and right, scaring away customers. No, not because they're black, but because that's what happens in this part of Atlanta.

If we're talking about the same video that woman had it coming, and her kids were completely out of control yelling at the guard before it escalated. Nobody was an innocent bystander in the one I'm remembering.

His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

You didn't see the guy that got tased walk up to him and take a swing?

That right there is grounds for him to defend himself.

So therefore he's retroactively justified in tasing the guy he already tased? Doesn't work that way. If I punch you, and you then take a swing at me, I can't claim that my punching was preemptive self defense.

Ah, misread that - guy took a swing first and then got tased. I withdraw the criticism.

Theaetetus:spicorama: DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

He's a mall security guard actually doing his job and trying to keep some semblance of order in the place. Or would you rather just let folks run all over your business, selling drugs and robbing you left and right, scaring away customers. No, not because they're black, but because that's what happens in this part of Atlanta.

If we're talking about the same video that woman had it coming, and her kids were completely out of control yelling at the guard before it escalated. Nobody was an innocent bystander in the one I'm remembering.

His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

You didn't see the guy that got tased walk up to him and take a swing?

That right there is grounds for him to defend himself.

So therefore he's retroactively justified in tasing the guy he already tased? Doesn't work that way. If I punch you, and you then take a swing at me, I can't claim that my punching was preemptive self defense.

He took a swing before he got tased... He got tased as a direct result of his actions.

mbillips:And what says "gang" about that crowd to you? Those dudes are too old to be gang bangers. I mean, sure, anybody hanging around a shiathole like that in the middle of the day is likely to be involved in some kinda bent activity, since they don't have a job, but that doesn't equal "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle."

If you are WASPy, everything about this video says "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle".

The second just lost one of it's biggest draws - a modern 8 screen cinema. It is following the exact same path as the first. A decade from now, it will be closed too.

Right. And no one shops on-line or goes to big variety stores like Walmart and Target. Its all because the thugs scared people away. Nowadays, many malls would LOVE for some thugs to come in because they'll be the only ones in the place. The mall where I used to live in Laurel, MD would routinely have more employees in the place during business hours than actual customers. Can't blame the thugs because there aren't any in Laurel.

mbillips:snocone: DROxINxTHExWIND: spicorama: DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders ...

You ever been in a war zone? Like, a combat zone? 99 percent of the time, everything's all calm; security dude's Youtubes are just the 1 percent when the shiat hits the fan. I wouldn't have the slightest hesitation in shopping at that place; I go in to places like that all the time and nobody ever bothers me, aside from sometimes trying to bum money off me or sell me drugs. That stuff is irritating, but it doesn't hurt you. And I don't carry a pistol.

And what says "gang" about that crowd to you? Those dudes are too old to be gang bangers. I mean, sure, anybody hanging around a shiathole like that in the middle of the day is likely to be involved in some kinda bent activity, since they don't have a job, but that doesn't equal "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle."

kumanoki:mbillips: And what says "gang" about that crowd to you? Those dudes are too old to be gang bangers. I mean, sure, anybody hanging around a shiathole like that in the middle of the day is likely to be involved in some kinda bent activity, since they don't have a job, but that doesn't equal "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle."

If you are WASPy, everything about this video says "violence imminent, remain in your vehicle".

I'm a 51-year-old white dude who lives in the suburbs. But I've been around. I think that mall cop's problem is he starts out with the tough guy stuff, without working up to it. An actual cop buddy of mine said that he always started out acting nice to people he was going to have to order around, because you can always scale up to hardass. If you start out hardass and that doesn't work, you're stuck; you can't back down to nice.

People are people. There are techniques to managing uneducated people who may have a certain moral flexibility about other's property rights, and barking orders at them generally doesn't work too well.

liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him

DROxINxTHExWIND:His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

...says DROxINxTHExWIND, while sitting comfortably behind his computer, without ever putting a foot near that place or having to deal with that sort of shiat.

I'm sure you know better than the man who actually has his neck on the line.

liam76:His videos are all over reddit. If somebody has been alrerady ordered off property and they keep returning, the security guard isn't "escalating" the situation.

These people (I am talking about the morons in the video who repeatedly ignore him, not any generalization about black people, so don't get your panties in a wad) can't be handled any other way.

First, I know this may come as a big surprise to you but...everyone doesn't have the internet or know what the fark "Reddit" is. I know, I know. I'll give you a second to let that one sink in.

Second, You don't know "those people". So, you don;t know HOW they would have responded to the guard had he spoken to them respectfully. I don;t know what you could be basing your assumptions of their attitude on other than how they look.

DROxINxTHExWIND:liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him

When the women swung at him it became about protection.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Next time, just say "THIS".

No it isn't. The whole confrontation was because hew was trying to "enforce his will" (I would call it do his farking job, which you seem to be against). The taser helps him do that because the peopel he is dealing with are acting like savages.

maggoo:DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

...says DROxINxTHExWIND, while sitting comfortably behind his computer, without ever putting a foot near that place or having to deal with that sort of shiat.

I'm sure you know better than the man who actually has his neck on the line.

You're right. I'm black and I live in DC. I've probably never had to deal with confrontation. Lol. Why is it the first thing you clowns do is go after me and what I know? This is the second of third time in this thread. You don't have shiat on me cuz. Trust me. Leave me out of it and talk about the article. I'm not the subject of the piece.

haws83:The Muthaship: I'm sure the clip of the incident between the woman and the guard is still out there somewhere. You might want to watch it. He spent a long time just trying to get her to leave by asking.

In all honesty, I don't care enough to look, but wouldn't that be the time to call the cops and have her arrested for trespassing?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's sweet. You think the APD shows up at Five Points when someone calls.... You're probably a very nice person. Glad to have met you.

DROxINxTHExWIND:liam76: His videos are all over reddit. If somebody has been alrerady ordered off property and they keep returning, the security guard isn't "escalating" the situation.

These people (I am talking about the morons in the video who repeatedly ignore him, not any generalization about black people, so don't get your panties in a wad) can't be handled any other way.

First, I know this may come as a big surprise to you but...everyone doesn't have the internet or know what the fark "Reddit" is. I know, I know. I'll give you a second to let that one sink in.

WFT are you on about?

You think an individual who was told they weren't allowed to be there can ignore it because they didn't see the video on reddit?

DROxINxTHExWIND:Second, You don't know "those people". So, you don;t know HOW they would have responded to the guard had he spoken to them respectfully. I don;t know what you could be basing your assumptions of their attitude on other than how they look

I could be basing it off the fact he has posted videos talking to them. Which tells me all I need to know.

He isn't going up to random peopel and yelling at them. There are plenty of people he walks by in that mall he has no problems with. The people he is approaching are ones he has already talked to who have come back, or won't leave.

But go ahead and ignore reality so you can pretend this black guy is racist agaisnt other black people.

Malls have been getting crushed by strip malls again for quite some time. With on-line shopping there is just that much less draw. The "thugs" are just a tiny part of the problem for most malls.

Personally, I'd like to see "malls" go back to how they were in the 1960s-70s...one long strip of stores that you could enter without having to go "into" the mall. They were fun, successful and easy to get to the store you wanted. Then someone wanted to enclose everything and malls have failed since.

DROxINxTHExWIND:spicorama: DROxINxTHExWIND: dukeblue219: kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

He's a mall security guard actually doing his job and trying to keep some semblance of order in the place. Or would you rather just let folks run all over your business, selling drugs and robbing you left and right, scaring away customers. No, not because they're black, but because that's what happens in this part of Atlanta.

If we're talking about the same video that woman had it coming, and her kids were completely out of control yelling at the guard before it escalated. Nobody was an innocent bystander in the one I'm remembering.

His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

You didn't see the guy that got tased walk up to him and take a swing?

That right there is grounds for him to defend himself.

/I can't wait for his inevitable truetv show.

Didn't realize he swung. But that was after Blart came over there like Mr. Toughie talking about "get out". If he had grounds for them to be removed from the property there was a way to handle that without it escalating like it did. He was already cranked up to eleven when he approached them.

And what would be those ways? You seem to be rather informed on how to handle large unruly crowds as an individual. Instead of throwing stones, let's hear your alternative methods.

kumanoki:With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

NO. No it's not, It's actually quite awesome. Thug culture in the U.S. is past critical mass, in fact, it's teetering on anarchy in slum areas such as this one. That kid and other bystanders will know that being a raving shiat actually HAS consequences, so straighten the fark up before it's too late. You libs miss chivalry and courtesy? Too farking bad, you shiatbags KILLED it.

ManRay:JackieRabbit: They don't say what part of Atlanta this mall is in, but in some areas, a taser would be lightweight.

I believe it is at Five Points. He is outgunned with the taser. The first video I saw where he used it, I thought "damn, now he's a sitting duck". I fully expected him to get rushed.

Actually, the GoPro is probably his best weapon.

Yep, it is about a block away from the Five Point Station, about 2-3 blocks from the capital, and a block from Underground. I have walked through that area many times as my office is not far. The Metro Mall is not a mall by most standards. It is tiny shops that hustle weaves, gold teeth things, fake perfume, fake handbags, etc. Shops there close before sundown and never on weekends that I am aware of. I have never been approached other than a panhandler, but it is truly a disgusting area. I side with the guard. APD is slow to respond to anything in that 3 block radius. They have bigger fish to fry about 5 blocks north on Peachtree where all the hotels, conventioneers, and tourists spend money. That area is the safest area in Atlanta.

DROxINxTHExWIND:maggoo: DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him.

...says DROxINxTHExWIND, while sitting comfortably behind his computer, without ever putting a foot near that place or having to deal with that sort of shiat.

I'm sure you know better than the man who actually has his neck on the line.

You're right. I'm black and I live in DC. I've probably never had to deal with confrontation. Lol. Why is it the first thing you clowns do is go after me and what I know? This is the second of third time in this thread. You don't have shiat on me cuz. Trust me. Leave me out of it and talk about the article. I'm not the subject of the piece.

Because you are the one instructing us on how this guy did it wrong, but you are not telling us how he should have correctly performed his job. Basically, people are suspecting you are full of crap and want you to start making positive contributions instead of blindly defending the criminal in this situation. (and, yes, she is the criminal. Her charges are pending.)

zabadu:Personally, I'd like to see "malls" go back to how they were in the 1960s-70s...one long strip of stores that you could enter without having to go "into" the mall. They were fun, successful and easy to get to the store you wanted. Then someone wanted to enclose everything and malls have failed since

That is the way ti is going.

a flagship store corner store with shops in between. Of course now 95% of them are chains...

DROxINxTHExWIND:liam76: His videos are all over reddit. If somebody has been alrerady ordered off property and they keep returning, the security guard isn't "escalating" the situation.

These people (I am talking about the morons in the video who repeatedly ignore him, not any generalization about black people, so don't get your panties in a wad) can't be handled any other way.

First, I know this may come as a big surprise to you but...everyone doesn't have the internet or know what the fark "Reddit" is. I know, I know. I'll give you a second to let that one sink in.

Second, You don't know "those people". So, you don;t know HOW they would have responded to the guard had he spoken to them respectfully. I don;t know what you could be basing your assumptions of their attitude on other than how they look.

Yes, but here we are, on the internet, a step away from the "Search" box. I don't see how we're talking about anyone except informed actors here. From watching the video, the people who escalated the situation were already told not to be in the building. He may not have shown the times he asked people to go nicely, but rather, he posted the much more interesting time where he's assaulted (The lady chucked a rock at him).

Magnus:And what would be those ways? You seem to be rather informed on how to handle large unruly crowds as an individual. Instead of throwing stones, let's hear your alternative methods

If he had asked them nicely Dro thinks they all woudl have quietly and nicely dispersed, nevermind he is dealing with individuals he has told not to be there, and nevermind what the place was like before he started getting agressive.

I don't get why some black people have a problem with this guy. Guy I work with was also saying similar things to what Dro and others are saying in this thread. Abuse of power, he is a thug himself, escalating for no reason, etc.

Then again guy at work says it causes him physical pain to watch the average worldstar hiphop video outrage.

I think the real problem is that mall cop tapes the altercations and puts them on youtube for the world to see. Maybe exposing this stuff makes him a racist (or an uncle tom)

liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him

When the women swung at him it became about protection.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Next time, just say "THIS".

No it isn't. The whole confrontation was because hew was trying to "enforce his will" (I would call it do his farking job, which you seem to be against). The taser helps him do that because the peopel he is dealing with are acting like savages.

I'm not going to get drawn in with the dog whistles so you can save your keystrokes. As far as my point, yes, the guard was there to forcefully remove the men from the property when that is a job for the police. My first job was in a CVS that was connected to a mall called Capital Plaza in Maryland. We caught shoplifters all of the time and we would turn them over to mall security, who would turn them over to the police. The mall cops had very strict guidelines on what they could and could not do. They were not to initiate any sort of confrontation and that included being disrespectful to potential customers who they thought were up to no good. If they felt a situation was getting out of hand they were to protect themselves until they were able to call the real police. You can;t go around ordering folks around and tasering them when they dont respond to your threats...if you're a damned mall cop.

spicorama:Ummm... That and the fact he pulled out a real gun shortly after shooting his tased. I have no doubt he would have shot someone dead if they had rushed him. They knew it too.

I couldn't tell what the second weapon was that he pulled out. I figured if it was a gun then that just escelate things even farther. This guy is lucky he got fired, the way he was headed someone was going to get him soon when the cameras were not on.

zabadu:Personally, I'd like to see "malls" go back to how they were in the 1960s-70s...one long strip of stores that you could enter without having to go "into" the mall. They were fun, successful and easy to get to the store you wanted. Then someone wanted to enclose everything and malls have failed since.

There are already several open air "malls" built around here in the last few years. In fact, it is one of the reasons some some of the enclosed malls are dying on the vine.

DROxINxTHExWIND:liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: His job isn't to threaten and then use force. That taser is there for his PROTECTION, not for him to enforce his will. Paul Blart was supposed to call the REAL police in the second situation. He was not in any immediate danger in the second clip. He may have been within his rights to use it on the woman because she was assulting him

When the women swung at him it became about protection.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Next time, just say "THIS".

No it isn't. The whole confrontation was because hew was trying to "enforce his will" (I would call it do his farking job, which you seem to be against). The taser helps him do that because the peopel he is dealing with are acting like savages.

I'm not going to get drawn in with the dog whistles so you can save your keystrokes. As far as my point, yes, the guard was there to forcefully remove the men from the property when that is a job for the police. My first job was in a CVS that was connected to a mall called Capital Plaza in Maryland. We caught shoplifters all of the time and we would turn them over to mall security, who would turn them over to the police. The mall cops had very strict guidelines on what they could and could not do. They were not to initiate any sort of confrontation and that included being disrespectful to potential customers who they thought were up to no good. If they felt a situation was getting out of hand they were to protect themselves until they were able to call the real police. You can;t go around ordering folks around and tasering them when they dont respond to your threats...if you're a damned mall cop.

Must have been rough handling those teenage girls after you caught them shoplifting in the burbs.

Stinkyy:kumanoki: With the sound off, it just looks like someone with a taser threatening innocent bystanders.

It...what? It is?

*sound on*

The sound of the kids screaming when he knocks the woman out the door is heartbreaking.

NO. No it's not, It's actually quite awesome. Thug culture in the U.S. is past critical mass, in fact, it's teetering on anarchy in slum areas such as this one. That kid and other bystanders will know that being a raving shiat actually HAS consequences, so straighten the fark up before it's too late. You libs miss chivalry and courtesy? Too farking bad, you shiatbags KILLED it.

liam76:DROxINxTHExWIND: is it the first thing you clowns do is go after me and what I know?

DROxINxTHExWIND: So, you don;t know HOW they would have responded

haha

I fail to see the contradiction. The first was a comment on a personal attack. The second was my opinion that since we do not know the people in the video personally there is no way that we can accurately guess how they would react had things been done differently.