Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 review

The Panasonic Lumix DC-S1 is the company's mid-level full-frame mirrorless camera, built around the L-mount developed by Leica and now supported by Sigma and Panasonic. It features an image-stabilized 24MP sensor and is capable of shooting at up to 9 frames per second. The S1 can also shoot 4K/60p video from an APS-C region of its sensor or oversampled 4K/30p from its full sensor width. A multi-shot high-res mode lets it create 96MP Raw files and a paid upgrade enables 10-bit V-Log shooting.

The S1, along its sibling the S1R, also features one of the highest-resolution electronic viewfinders on the market: a 5.7M-dot OLED panel that runs at 120Hz and promises very little lag.

Panasonic Lumix S1 Key Specifications

24MP full-frame CMOS sensor

Depth from Defocus contrast-detect AF system

5-axis in-body 'Dual IS' system

Fully weather-sealed

Multi-shot 96MP 'High Res' mode

6 fps bursts with continuous AF

5.76M-dot electronic viewfinder

Dual-hinged 2.1M-dot touchscreen LCD

UHD 4K/60p video capture (1.5x crop); Oversampled 4K/30p with no crop

10-bit HLG built-in, optional 4:2:2 V-Log

One XQD and one SD card slot

380 shots/charge using LCD

USB charging, including from laptop/tablet chargers and portable power banks

The complete Lumix S system at launch

The S1, with its large, magnesium alloy body, is being pitched at a higher price than the 24MP models from Nikon and Sony, with a list price of $2499.

Alongside the S1 and its higher-resolution sibling, the S1R, Panasonic also announced 50mm F1.4, 24-105mm F4 and 70-200mm F4 lenses for the L system. They're priced at $2299, $1299 and $1699, respectively. Both cameras are also compatible with existing Leica SL lenses as well as APS-C 'TL' glass.

A battery grip (DMW-BGS1) is available for around $350.

What's new and how it compares

The S1 inherits (and improves upon) many of the features from Panasonic's Micro Four Thirds cameras, while adding new full-frame sensors, a High Res mode, HLG photos and more.

Akio lies restless in his grave. The auguries and portents foretell ruin and already the lamentations have begun. Or to put it another way, the best color yet from a camera that isn't the IQ180. Reproduction of the red to blue part of the color wheel very nice, starts to fall apart as you go toward green, stays muddy through orange and then picks up again as it nears red.

Ticks just about every box, but I'll never switch to a DFD based AF. Looks superb for anything but sports and action which is fine as I doubt they care about that market and doubt they'll ever release the necessary glass for that market anyway. If I were a landscape/fashion/architecture person only it would be a serious consideration.

Hopefully this helps raise the bar for the others to follow. We know the new high res EVF is coming to Sony, illuminated buttons would be great, hopefully Sony makes the next gen cameras a little bit larger, but not necessarily S1 large and hopefully not S1 weight. I likes EOS R's size the best and it weighs same as the smaller Sony's.

If Canon is NOT asleep at the wheel, and brings to the table their "Pro" model with it's classic great feel factor, but get's it's switchgear act together and ups the viewfinder and gets the DR up to 14 stops AND lowers their noise a stop at higher ISO they can THEN compete with the likes of this S1 level camera. The year end should reveal a ton.

And when you wake up it was your pillow?Canon is to busy protecting their professional video gear and their high end DSLRs to make such a mirrorless camera. And to get the better IQ they need the Sony sensors, they will never do that. Canon is lagging behind because they do not think ahead as much as Sony, Fuji and Panasonic does. Panasonic is totally in the hybrid video/stills market, a small market but with dedicated people willing to buy a more expensive camera...Canon is the all men's friend without a real goal, other then selling as much cameras as they can....

Colin46: Is Canon really making the best lenses out there? They make good lenses, some are very good indeed. But So does Sony, Leica, Panasonic, Olympus,Fuji etc. etc. At some point lenses are just good enough, better will only be visible in very very large prints or when viewed at 100%. And does excellent lenses (from what ever brand you name) are all extremely expensive,,,,

I have heard from lots of Canon users that 'Canon lenses are the best' and you only have to look at the lenses released for the RF system so far to see that Canon themselves are aware of this perception amongst their users and are exploiting it somewhat with initial offerings of expensive and impractical 'halo' lenses.

The truth is if you want the best lenses at any given length you need to choose catholically from all the brands. Newer lenses tends to be optically better and faster focussing so age is also a strong factor.

If Panasonic issues a firmware update in the near future which promises to radically change its performance, if course we'll look into it, resources permitting. This doesn't imply that the score will necessarily change, of course.

Barney - you should have also waited for the July video update to better assess the S1 and include it in the review. Even if it's an optional, paid upgrade, those of us who already own the S1 will get it for free.

Paid updates are extremely shortsighted and a total non starter for me. The camera is already overpriced, heavy and with serious shortcomings in the AF department. A free update would have made the system unique and maybe moved potential customers to purchase.

Quite a few limitations and drawbacks to the a7iii continuous :NoteThe shooting speed during continuous shooting becomes slower when [RAW File Type] is set to [Uncompressed].The shooting speed during continuous shooting becomes slower when [e-Front Curtain Shut.] is set to [Off] in [Continuous Shooting: Hi], [Continuous Shooting: Mid] or [Continuous Shooting: Lo] mode.When the F-value is greater than F11 in [Continuous Shooting: Hi+], [Continuous Shooting: Hi] or [Continuous Shooting: Mid] mode, the focus is locked to the setting in the first shot.The subject is not displayed in real-time on the monitor or viewfinder when shooting in [Continuous Shooting: Hi+] mode.Continuous shooting is unavailable in the following situations:The shooting mode is set to [Scene Selection] and a scene other than [Sports Action] is selected.

And more:About RAW imagesTo open a RAW image file recorded with this camera, the software Imaging Edge is needed. With Imaging Edge, you can open a RAW image file, then convert it into a popular image format such as JPEG or TIFF, or readjust the white balance, saturation or contrast of the image.You cannot apply [Auto HDR] or [Picture Effect] functions with RAW images.RAW images recorded with this camera have a resolution of 14 bits per pixel. However, resolution is limited to 12 bits in the following shooting modes:[Long Exposure NR][BULB][Cont. Shooting] when [RAW File Type] is set to [Compressed]

It's great you can read the manual, but I have the camera. You can set the 10fps mode (Hi+) with uncompressed raw and there is no perceptible difference to the compressed setting. I have tried a quick test with a stopwatch and in both settings the camera shoots over 20 images in 2 seconds (AFC, static subject). The top speed is obviously 10fps in both cases. Of course, there is a substantial difference in buffer depth. The note in the manual might indicate that or possibly that the frame rate drops more in the uncompressed mode when the buffer is full.

In any case, the most practical setting is Hi with 8fps and live view, not 10fps.

As for those limitations - some are not limitations at all. The ability to shoot continuously with AFC at F11 is actually an advantage over the vast majority of cameras out there. The possibility to drop to 12bit is an advantage with electronic shutter, as it halves the scan time and thus substantially limits rolling shutter.

The question isn't whether you own the camera or not - it's not really irrelevant what you, I or anybody else owns for the sake of this conversation. What is relevant in the context of commenting on the cross brand comparison, is that if presenting spec sheet details for one brand of camera in a cross comparison table, then the same level of detail needs to be applied across all brands. Clearly this wasn't the case here... where the 'caveats' of the Sony are not shown and details for Nikon are out of date relevant to the latest firmware update. In this instance, 12bit continous Nikon is akin to the 11+7 Sony approach. FWIW I agree with you totally that a reduced raw file bit rates only helps from a pragmatic point of view, but again I don't feel that's relevant right now.The only thing I am advocating for is that the same approach and level of detail for cross spec sheet presentations is taken irrespective of brand loyalty :)

I meant that because I have the camera, I can directly check whether some feature is available and working, or not. And 10fps with uncompressed 14bit raw is there and working, in contradiction with your original comment. That's my point.

I apologize, I was wrong on the A7iii spec. I incorrectly assumed Sony were using the same 11+7 mechansim to inflate frame rate and buffer depth similar to A7ii, A7rii lines and cameras that had come before. No offense intended.

Panasonic, Nikon, Canon and Sony got all together in a bar and decided to take bits of a perfect camera and promised to focus on those bits only. Panasonic took video and handling. Sony took AF. Canon took brand name. Nikon took big lens mount. Leaving us users in search of the elusive "perfect camera".

The perfect camera does not exists at all! Some people want small light and affordable cameras that can do both video and pictures at an affordable price. Others wants the best stills camera with the best AF and the best IQ and the fastest frame rate, and is willing to pay for it. An other is wanting....Every manufacturer is looking at the total group of buyers and try to make the camera best for the group they aiming at.Panasonic choose to go for the hybrid video/stills cameras, those cameras are for a limited group only and are not cheap. Sony choose to go for the people wanting an allround camera, that might not excel in anything, but is a great camera for an affordable price. And Sony makes them small from the start, but filled with features. Canon has a large user base and tries to win them over to their new mirrorless cameras. Nikon does the same. Olympus, well they are loosing it a bit at the moment, hope they return soon...

My favorite section of the Image quality / studio shot is the little sepia etching of a family looking at a painting on an easel. And no matter how much I want to see huge quality improvements in this S1 compared to other brands ... I don't , even Fuji and Olympus stand up quite well to it . So what's all the humdrum about ?

Now that you've finished with the review I imagine you want to dispose of the reviewed camera bodies so they don't clutter up your workplace. If you send them to me I'll be happy to help you get rid of them and will even pay for postage. I feel like doing a good deed.

Nice to see more competition in this market --- But am I seeing really iffy skin tones? Reminds me of my G2 and the days of the GF1 M43 Panasonics when people were struggling to get realistic hues. The studio sample areas with images of people of color are waaay off from other cameras (including benchmark MF models).

The pixel shift is stunningly sharp in comp mode, but the color looks like it needs fixing.

Great review; it would be good to expand reviews and have seperate reviews from say, sports photographers, wedding photographers, portrait photographers etc etc (I know we don't have sports lens available for this camera yet). I know dpreview can't do everything though, wishful thinking.

Am I the only one that feels like someone broke into Canon's safe and stole the plans for the S1 missile? This is what Canon SHOULD've made plain & simple...And if the as to be released mirrorless 5D4 can't match this it's over-Game. Set. Match.

Yeah. To many biases towards what the reviewer likes/dislikes, firmware add-ons, brand loyalty, etc... then DPR hides behind the fact that all of that should be based behind the reviewer. Tired of seeing 88/89 scores, yet one gets a Gold, the other Silver.

Then again, I don't take DPR reviews for being credible anyways. They tend to hide behind the reviewer and not their own review guidlines.

Well, it is good for Leica and Panasonic shooters, and defnitely shows that all camera companies are gearing for the long term battle in FF mirrorless. As Nikon Z6 and Panasonic GX85 owner, I am glad that there is more competition. But man, the FF mirrorless segment is really heating up!

I am surprised that the L-mount is not mentioned in the conclusions. Maybe the number of lenses is still small, as compared to the other systems, but the potential of glass becoming available is important, maybe even more than the body itself. I would argue that having both Sigma and Leica providing lenses that will be native on this body is a big plus.

> I am surprised that the L-mount is not mentioned in the conclusions.

> the potential of glass becoming available is important,> maybe even more than the body itself

That's a fair and often overlooked point.

DPR is not big on lenses. They're the kind of guys who'd publish an article like "Is Canon RP right for you?", while the headline question only makes sense for people having Canon EF glass already. I'd expect them (DPR) to know better, but, alas...

Today I got a new d750 at third the price of this Panasonic. Yes it is dslr and lighter than the S1 and there are milion of Nikon lenses in the market some of it cost less than 250$!Panasonic you need to rethink about your prices!

I can get a used D610 for between a 1/4 and 1/5th of the price of this, and I could get a new D7200 which interests absolutely nobody; for 60% of the price of a D750 with little difference in image quality in most circumstances, why pay a large sum of money for a FF? Even better, I can get a medium format film camera for $500 or less etc etc etc

Sorry new gear, new mount defenders, that's the reality these new $2000+ FF MILC cameras have to live in. Cameras like the EOS R and Z6 bring NOTHING new to the game, they are actually shaping up to be all talk (big lens mount) but no show. This panny here on the other hand is the 1st to bring DSLR size/handling to FF MILC and has an alliance of L mount producers.

I know that some people have wanted a DSLR sized mirrorless camera but to me, the only reason to go mirrorless is for the smaller size. I would never pick a mirrorless over a DSLR otherwise. That and the fact that this camera is only 24mp make me wonder why anyone would want one, especially for the price Panasonic is asking. To each his own I guess.

Miss the film days, where there were different looks and feels to the cameras. Mamiya Press, RB67, TLR, Hasselblads, Rolleiflex, Pentacon 6x6, Bronica "Hassie" and RF, Mamiya 645, Fuji GW690, Mamiya 6 and 7, Koni-Omega, etc. all different forms for that 120 roll film.

These modern digital cameras are obviously built on common sub-assemblies. Even modern lenses pretty much look alike compared to film days.

Haha, so not true!Fuji, Olympus, panasonic, Canon, Sony, nikon. All so different to hold and behold! And modeled after the ancient 35mm slr concept!Just compare the buttons on an Olympus to nikon buttons. Night and day feel and tactile response!

Price and AF performance really degrades the camera too much, because you expect much better performance in this price area. Overall i like it more than the a73 and z6.Jpegs and raws sems quite better than both.

Yeah, but accurate/good color profiles aren't always that easy to find or properly apply, as Panasonic, Sony, etc. folks can attest. The majority of other cameras tested in this genre seem to do a much better job so it's a valid concern for people looking to use this as a pro rig as it's being touted.

DPR said in this review about S1:" By comparison, their build-quality makes some of the competition feel downright dinky."So this is the first "NOT DINKY" mirrorless, but I still prefer a D850.Nobody was talking about a D750!

Fascinating camera. Good job Panasonic. I'm still surprised the cameras exist but I applaud the competition and the competence of this first version. Not for me due to DfD wobble, size, weight, and cost, but I'm glad they exist.

AZ: Ahh. Maybe. Always helps to be precise n one’s statemenys.But do you think the distinction is relevant to image quality, in various use cases?I’m assuming here that image quality has some relevance.

Some are taking issue with the one card slot. Others brush it off. I like the fact I have backup on my A7iii. i've seen a video of a Sony shooter shooting a friends Z7. The photos are really beautiful. I don't think it's so much image quality. But little things. I always felt Nikon should have at least equaled the A7iii. Also i've been reading about front and back focusing issues with the Z's and all lenses. And the question arises why a sale on the Z's and they are not yet 10 months old.

Yes, I mean what Nikon can learn for the Z family. The D750 and D850 successors could certainly use improved video AF, and I find it unlikely the D760 and D860 are going to have high-res modes, improved EVFs, but Nikon could surprise me, I suppose.

I take FF non-Canon image quality for granted at this point. Of course it's good. Only when something surprising happens (as in the superior ISO 3200+ for the S1 versus the D5) do I comment.

Oh no! I angered a fan-child! My arguments that Nikon screwed up by not having dual card slots, doesn't have a high-res mode, and the S1 EVF is better remain.

I'm amused that you satisfied a corollary of Hartman's law. Pointing out I could have been more specific (although it clearly took an ignoramus to think I was talking about anything other than the actual rivals to the S1), and stating "n one’s statemenys."

The authors missed no opportunity to emphasize the "wobble" when using C-AF due to the DFD system. I get that it affects the user experience in the moment.

What I'd like to see is a comparison between this camera and other cameras in the same category regarding the keeper rate in similar conditions. Is the "flutter" so distracting that it is causing you to miss shots or more of a side-effect that will become less noticeable with long term use? If the keeper rate is clearly lower, that is a problem.

Admittedly conjecture, but the tone of the review suggest that were it not for the DFD flutter, this camera would have received a "Gold" award. I don't recall any DPR review that had so many green lines so far to the right. Certainly none that were denied "Gold" status.

Big picture is that competition has brought us another excellent camera to choose from. Kudos to Sony for forcing everyone to raise their game.

dpr shot the s1 bicycle test in sunlight, which was an advantage that they haven't always given to other cameras that they have tested... understandable, given the dismal weather conditions up there, but it introduces variables into the test procedure.

"Depth from Defocus autofocus system is a bit less reliable than its peers, especially when photographing moving subjects"Especially for moving subjects? In my experience, it is ONLY for moving subjects in video. Single shot AF is as reliable as others (read: perfect).When you start the sentence as if all AF system is unreliable....

Just in theory!If your AF-C has the same precision and accuracy as you AF-S mode. And you are decoupling AF from the shutter anyway on pro cameras, why would you need AF-S? What benefit does it have over AF-C then?

Mr. Richard Butler, the Panasonic Lumix cameras in question have been widely hailed for superior durability, ergonomics, features and field usability in reviews across the photography world, but not here.

The Lumixes are picked apart over tiny details and raked over coals while often seriously flawed Sonys are put up on pedestals and given kid glove treatment.

I am not the first person to detect this bias. Consider what so many of us have long been saying. I criticize this site not because I want it to fail, as I really do not want that, but because I want it to return as the standard bearer it used to be.

This is Panasonics first shot at FF, it obviously isn't quite on par with Sony yet, so I don't see any bias here for this camera. It looks like a great camera for some type of work, the next version where they improve the AF could be impressive.

exactly... Panasonic proprietary dfd is a major fail, that has doomed the platform to such a small subset of owners that there will never be any decent level of 3rd-party lens support.

dfd is a total dead-end for adapted lens af in particular, in part because dfd requires specific bokeh info for each lens, and Panasonic failed to provide any way for users to generate that info, and make it available for the camera body to read and implement.

it's a ridiculous situation.

L-mount will end up like canon ef-m, that was released in 2012, but still has dismal lens selection, the worst of any aps-c mount.

Like CanonSharpShooter, I'm also feeling a bit bewildered about the criticism of DFD. I've never felt as enabled to get my shots than since I started using Lumix cameras regularly. DPR Chris and David Thorpe share that sentiment with DFD too. I wonder if it's a case of once-you-go-A9-there's-no-going-back, but saying the AF is unreliable just does not reflect my experience with it (many terabytes shot).

Canon does it on Full Frame cameras (R and RP) ..... [ of course at the same time Canon guts the video on these cameras] Fuji did sort of articulating display on its cheaper line recently (XT100 if I can remember correctly)... and of course Panasonic and Olympus m43 cameras do it. For anyone who, from time to time, likes to use these cameras to shoot him/herself, and don't want to carry around additional ridiculous gear like Atomos Ninjas, just to be able to see oneself, this capacity is essential.

Wow - I see weight is being bandied about but, i still use my Canon 1DS Mk II - 1.565Kg, versus the Panasonic DC-S1 - 1.021 Kg).I'll notice the 0.54 Kg difference more I guess , although the Nikon Z6 is pretty light at 675 g - but the weight difference between z6 and s1 is 325 g so comparatively for people used to lighter mirrorless, the S1 will feel heavy, but to me, that's a whole lens lighter :)

Panasonic makes great cameras from M43 in my experience. I just wonder if the market is too saturated and if the video is that superior to keep this ship afloat. I hope so, and Panasonic probably won't want to give up this prime real estate to Sony. Nikon and Canon are have a lot of cache in their names, but one big slip, particularly by Nikon, and I'm not sure they can go it on their own.

Pick your poison, these cameras are neck and neck. The winner would be not by much, the loser would be not by much. Z6 no power grip and one card slot. DC-S1 contrast,AF makes it not as good choice for C-AF, but then too...no banding. Which leaves A7111, the winner? All Sony needs is a new camera, EVF, handling and menu.So what will firmware do for Panasonic ? The PRO level replacement for the Z6. Sony come on, you need to revamp the A7 line....a whole new camera in the hand, the out side more than inside.Pick your poison. Bottom line, Panasonic is now on the map..... along with Leica.

I think the Size+Cost+C-AF keep it from the Gold, and I say that as a satisfied S1 + 50mm f/1.4 user. The S1 has numerous thoughtful design choices and features, and I think this review does an admirable job highlighting them.

I chose the S1 over the A7III, largely due to my positive experience with the G9 over the past year. The S1 was the only FF MILC option that maintained the standout G9 features (4K60, best-in-class IBIS, EVF, build/handling) with FF IQ. The tradeoff is size, but I'm keeping my m4/3 kit around for occasions when I prefer to travel light.

I think (so IMHO) Canon decided to do a bunch of high-end lenses, so the Pros, who are probably happy with their DSLRs for a while, know they can wait for Canon as there will be some good stuff available, plus do some low/medium end bodies to get some customer volume for R and help the system get off the ground.

Gonna go out on a punt here and suggest that MILC man has never in his or her life used a DFD camera (with a clear head). Like DPR Chris, the guy above and many others who've used it report, it's incredibly accurate and fast. I'm very fond of mine, it's not my main camera but that MILC man doesn't sound like he has actual experience.

'Fast and accurate', that is what DPR Chris, David Thorpe, Steve Huff, and others say. 'Instantaneous' is often the word used. I agree. Put the camera to your eye, half press the shutter, and voila, it is focussed. It's you who is sticking your neck out against the bulk of reviews to suggest AF speed and accuracy is deficient, which I find very rich coming from someone who has no experience with the camera.

Not here to talk adapted lenses. I'm here to call out yet another keyboard masher on a mission.

5D mark II is after 10 years just about usable for hobby filmmakers as "C" camera, a couple hundred bucks entry level outperform it at almost every way, except build quality...Will it be the case after another 10 years for DC-S1?

But look what Canon has today. Their top of the line DSLRs and FF mirrorless are behind the competition in video mode because Canon wants the big bucks with their $7,500 C200 Cinema camera if you want a real video mode.

I think the Nikon Z6 proves you don't need a mirrorless camera to be as big as the Panasonic and be ergonomically excellent. So I agree with Richard Butler about the size and weight. I think a lot of enthusiasts will pass on the Panasonic for this reason.

The AF-C focusing is another issue. It's the most expensive of the competition by some margin and worst performer in this area. Not a great selling point.

None of the cameras in the sector are perfect but what I find interesting is none of Nikon, Canon or Panasonic'a offerings have made the A7 III look uncompetitive. I would have thought they would have used that as the benchmark and set out to at least match it in every area.

The Nikon probably comes closest with its recent firmware update but still doesn't have Nikon's famous 3D focusing. A bit baffling really.

At some point, though, they need to add some on-sensor PDAF to help stick the focus. DFD was cute in 2016 or whatever, but if it's still not comparable to PDAF, it probably never will be.

It's just too bad that all of these cameras have different mounts and lenses and electronic communication standards; imagine if there were only one or two different mounts for a given sensor size, instead of the half dozen that we have today. (I guess, in this respect, it's good that Sigma and Leica are using the same mount.)

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