Nabb1:Trivia Jockey: shanrick: Is it too soon to talk about popcorn control?

Yes, let's talk reasonable butter limits.

That shiat they put on movie popcorn is not butter. It's like an industrial lubricant made out of the most powerful cholesterol known to man.

I worked at a movie theatre as a poor college student. Had a '77 Dasher that burned oil like a motherfarker.

I have to admit that in some bleaker moments of poverty, in those darkest "hey, what's the worst that couId happen" musings, I seriously considered tapping off some of that free "butter" for the Dasher when I would have to choose between food or a few quarts of 10W40.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

The death penalty applies for every crime, from attempting to ask direction while black to throwing popcorn in a movie theatre.

But you can't kill a fetus the size of a pin head even if it almost certainly will cost the life of the mother-to-be or was produced by incestuous father-daughter rape and will certainly be a miserable shameful inbred misfit and cause of misery and crime for life.

Actually no, stand your ground only works, if it is reasonable for the person to believe his life is in danger, and you are lawfully about your business. Throwing a tub of popcorn would not be reasonable.

This guy being an ex-cop, also actually works against him. It will be assumed that he has a higher level of training and restraint. IE, he was trained to fight with his fist, and could be reasonably expected to defend himself, without using a firearm, unless the other guy was built like a heavyweight boxer, and the ex-cop had some medical condition that would make a prolonged fight a life threatening affair for himself.

Happen to be an ex-Florida cop myself. Still haven't shot anyone in a movie theater, yet.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Actually I don't think the movie hadn't started. Apparently this all happened during the previews.I wonder if the movie theater warning about not using cell phones had already been shown before it all went down.

vpb:factoryconnection: Trivia Jockey: And SYG wasn't used at his trial. QED.

Oh, that is correct as well.

Not really. He didn't try to invoke the immunity in SYG, but "Stand Your Ground" changed the standards for self defense as well. It eliminates any requirement to retreat.

As Mr. Zimmerman's defense included the claim that he was pinned on his back on the sidewalk and thus physically unable to retreat, and as the prosecution admitted an inability to disprove that claim, Mr. Zimmerman's defense would have been unchanged even if Florida law had explicitly mandated a "duty to retreat".

/Fun fact: a failed effort to supposedly repeal the "stand your ground" statute would not actually have repealed the "stand your ground" statute; it would have instead modified the state's "castle doctrine", while leaving the explicit declaration that no "duty to retreat" is imposed on an individual using deadly force in any location intact.//The text of the proposed bill.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Dimensio:Generation_D: Trivia Jockey: vpb: The problem is that all he has to do is claim that he was afraid and he is good. It doesn't matter if he actually had a reason to be afraid, it just matters that he was.

That's not true. Although I hate SYG, it doesn't just require a subjective feeling of fear. It requires a showing of reasonableness.

"Here's the thing," said Bob Dekle, legal skills professor at Levin. "It's not whether or not you're in fear. If the standard about shooting were fear that would give cowards carte blanche. The question is was there reasonable fear, was the fear reasonable?"

Yeah, but that's the logic Invader Zimm used when the Scary Black Kid was Walking and Talking on the Cell Phone in a threatening manner, wearing a hoodie and carrying skittles.

You are correct. That Mr. Zimmerman also reported being pinned to the ground and repeatedly punched in the face by Mr. Martin was in no way a part of his legal defense.

Yes, making up multiple lies was part of his defense, not just one lie. Let's be fair.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

Generation_D:It appears if you are a cop, or a wannabe cop, Florida is your paradise these days.

All you need is

1) A gun

2) An attitude

The shooting gallery is open, time to go hunting!

Note: fans of civilization that doesn't resemble Beirut in the 1980s, Somalia today or perhaps a very populated Old West, might want to just skip Florida entirely.

Let the inbreds and the senile battle it out.

Actually the "Wild West" had stricter gun control laws, and a lot less firearm deaths (at least that they documented, I suspect some people get killed and were buried in the desert without a trace...so the numbers may be skewed). I read that the most firearm deaths in any year, was 4 in Tombstone, the year of the OK Corral gun fight. Most frontier towns averaged 2 firearm deaths a year (again, this is something I read, so take with a grain of salt unless you want to do your own research).

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.

Dimensio:This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

This is either a brilliant and subtly sarcastic observation, given the fact that the shooter in this case actually is a retired law enforcement officer, or it's really dumb.

Serious Black:Dimensio: This incident is just another example of why "shall issue" concealed weapons permit statutes need to be repealed. The only people who should be allowed to legally carry firearms in public are law enforcement, active and retired.

I don't remember when I did it, but I faved you as "Loves Guns" some time ago. Nice troll. 8/10.

Oh, it's not a troll, it's a straw-man. Sometimes the differences are subtle.