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i'm currently on grade 2, have been using the Yamaha P70 for almost a year already..

what i want to ask is, have there been any improvements in the digital piano scene recently? are there any new ones that can be comparably better than my P70?having played the P70 for a while, together with the upright i play at my teacher's place.. i'm feeling 'shortchanged' for the quality of the tone that i get. i need to get a piano for my cousin too.. she has just started learning piano only.. or you guys recommend me to get a traditional upright? budget is around 1000USD..

assuming i have 1.5k USD to spare, would it be better to get a traditional or digital? cos' the weight of keys on p70 is not really sensitive enough, so i can't produce the 'feel' of the piece. how about for the adult beginner? start on digital or traditional? she's planning to learn so that she can sing and play at the same time..

The first thing to remember is the Digital is say, twice as easy to play as an acoustic. Comparing new instruments.

When I first tried a low level digital, I was staggered at the simplicity of the key fingering and the utter lack of touch sensitivity.

Now I have a Kawai ES4 and its fine with some level of feel to the keys.

Nonetheless I would never put a Digital above an Acoustic as far as creative fingering goes and the subsequent vibes to the ear. It seems there is lacking in the digital, the timbre of an acoustic. Sorry to sound critical but I play both. I can practice silently on the Kawai and with sterio head phones get a nice sound.

Back to your question. As I assume you will have to play acoustic for your exams and at your teacher's piano? So you will realize the difference.

As to what acoustic upright you would get for $1000 I have no idea for America. I would think with luck you would get a playable instrument. If I were in your position I would think I would get something playable here. At that price you would have to search around. If you live near a big city so much the better. And if you don't expect to have a smart casing then don't give up.

Write a post on the Piano Instrument forum and see what they say for $1,000.

I see several possibilities. One is tojust keep using your P70. This is modeledon the sound and action of a concert grand piano--vastly better, in theory, than any upright, so maybe you're being a little too critical of it.Another is to use the vol. control knob.Each setting of the vol. control givesyou essentially a new piano. Turningit higher than your usual setting gives yousomething like a more expensive piano,since you can get a bigger sound withthe same physical effort. Turning itlower than usual gives you something likea grand piano with a heavy action,since you've got to use more effortto get the same sound--this is greatfor building technique, your fingers should then fly on your teacher's upright.

Another option is to get another digitalthat's very different from your currentone. This would be beneficial because it would give you another perspective on playing--like the difference between the P70and your teacher's acoustic upright has made you consider what playing is all about.After you've played on both digitalsyou'll begin to see that keyboard playinginvolves certain fundamental elementsthat are independent of whatever keyboardinstrument you happen to practice on--this is why a good organist who hasnever played the piano can switch tothe piano with little trouble.

Still another option is to get whateveracoustic piano the $1000.00 (US) can buy.You can often get used acoustic pianosfor a bargain price, because peopleget frustrated with playing and wantto get rid of their instrument at anyprice. Thrift shops are a good huntingground for used acoustic pianos; theyoften sell pianos for less than themoving costs. But be advised that an acoustic is no longer a maintenance-free device, like a digital is. It needsto be tuned several times a yr., andtoday that can run as high as $150.00per tuning. And it needs to be repairedfairly frequently--sticking keys area common problem.

CP33 is better than P70, which is in the same league as P90, with 64-polyphony but without built-in speakers. P70 is only an entry level digital, with 32-polyphony and GHS action (not as good as GH action as on CP33).

anther option is P140, similar to CP33 but with built-in speakers. the best stage digital from Yamaha is CP300 though, but it would add another $500-700 to your budget.

I think if you are patience, don't mind about low end pianos and don't care too much about color, cabinet look, etc, $1500 is probably doable for a slightly used chinese piano, assuming you like the sound.

About a couple months ago I found in craigslist, a few months old studio Bergmann for $1500 asking price (you could negotiate it lower) because the owner had to relocate to other state very soon. A dealer (out of town but not too far from where I live) is currently selling a 6 month old 45" Story n Clark for under $2000.

I, too, have limited budget. But I am maybe a bit picky, so I choose to stick with my Casio digital for awhile, and save some more to get a (hopefully) better piano. Gyro is right about the sound of digital piano being "decent". So far, I don't find any piano under $2500 that has better sound than my digital (didn't try the Bergmann nor the Story n Clark because I didn't like the cabinet).

that's why, in my first paragraph, I specifically wrote "assuming you like the sound". I am not suggesting him to choose a piano that is worse than his digital. I also said, I myself haven't found any piano under $2500 that has better sound than my cheap digital (imo).

But again, maybe if he is not in a hurry and patience enough, he could get lucky and found something "decent" for him within his budget. Maybe a used piano somebody just want to get rid of, or something. A decent piano FOR HIM, doesn't have to be a decent one for me or you. It only means that he likes the piano (touch/action, tone, appearance, etc) better (if not much better) than his digital, and he feels that whatever amount he spend on that piano is worth it. If that piano turn out to be a spinet or a studio, or a 100 yr old piano, then be it! If he choose to save some more to get (hopefully) "more piano", then be it.

Yes.. I do feel a lot of difference between my P70 and my teacher's 10yr old yamaha acoustic.. its pretty hard to control the volume on the acoustic i would say, because it seems like i always tend to use too much force on the acoustic - i.e. it diminishes my control skills.

I'm actually living in Singapore.. quoted USD prices because I thought that's the "standard" currency for easy conversion.. so any recommendations for the Singapore region?

As for tuning issues, it should be alright. it costs about 50SGD per tuning session. However, I'm still considered an amateur ( grade 2 abrsm ) for now.. so I don't really have enough expertise in choosing a good used acoustic.

Hmm, is the CP33 much better than the P70? Maybe I'd go down to the stores during the weekends to try it out. However, I think i'm still inclined towards acoustic, since control and touch is very important for my prepration to the exams.

I got another question though - is it true that the longer acoustic pianos are played/kept, the better they'd sound? assuming regular maintenance is done..