Just want to say that the course was looking and playing great on Saturday. Thanks to all who have had anything to do with that course this past year. Love it. Really like hole 16 long - think that is a great disc golf hole.
Thanks to Tony, Drew, Adam, the Park guys and all who helped with the tourney. Had a great day.

FWIW...I was thinking about it and discussing it with a couple buddies and they both agreed, the CCS should have three divisions (with of course, master and grandmaster). There is really no point to having Intermediate and Advanced. For all of the events thus far the scores have been pretty comparable in both divisions with the top 5 (in tournaments with this many in each division) being almost identical. With the size of the rec division there is no reason to not also just have a large advanced division. It would increase payouts and also be more attractive to rec players to move up. As a current rec player I am considering moving up from rec to open once I win rec a few times (I have cashed every CCS and moved up the chain with each event in my first year playing competitively and intend to make money off this sport one day. Obviously only time will tell and we'll see if that progression happens.) and feel like I can compete at that level. The small fields of advanced and intermediate just really don't appeal to me for these events. I don't mean to be condescending or a dick, I may be thinking too far ahead and assuming to much of myself, I'm just thinking out-loud.

Two years ago we did not have the intermediate field. It was Rec and Advanced. There were a people asking for the Intermediate division to help cut down on bagging in Rec. We put in Intermediate and you see the results so far. We will give this division some time to see if it works out, otherwise we will cut it, and go back to just the two divisions.

FWIW...I was thinking about it and discussing it with a couple buddies and they both agreed, the CCS should have three divisions (with of course, master and grandmaster). There is really no point to having Intermediate and Advanced. For all of the events thus far the scores have been pretty comparable in both divisions with the top 5 (in tournaments with this many in each division) being almost identical. With the size of the rec division there is no reason to not also just have a large advanced division. It would increase payouts and also be more attractive to rec players to move up. As a current rec player I am considering moving up from rec to open once I win rec a few times (I have cashed every CCS and moved up the chain with each event in my first year playing competitively and intend to make money off this sport one day. Obviously only time will tell and we'll see if that progression happens.) and feel like I can compete at that level. The small fields of advanced and intermediate just really don't appeal to me for these events. I don't mean to be condescending or a dick, I may be thinking too far ahead and assuming to much of myself, I'm just thinking out-loud.

I remember when this was a hot contested debate. I hate to say I told you so, but this is exactly what I said would happen. The advanced field dwindled and everyone went to Intermediate. Back in the day we had Novice, Advanced , Advanced Masters, Open , Open Masters, Grandmasters etc. You played Novice for a few tournaments so that you could get acclimated to tourney play then you moved up and played advanced. I think some people feel that they need to win or have a chance of winning in everything they play so that is why rec and intermediate were created. I believe rec is a good idea while intermediate basically just waters down the Advanced field.

As a current rec player I am considering moving up from rec to open once I win rec a few times

Is this serious?

On to the actual question...

I once again say people will play the division they believe they have the best chance of winning. With no rules in place to force people to move up this will always be a problem. Its funny that it always come down to Rec. Why are people not upset at the masters who could play open, the advanced masters who could play advanced? etc..

Honestly it is. I have played casual rounds that have resulted in open scores and the small intermediate and advanced divisions make me consider getting my butt handed to me every event in open for the learning experience rather than have a chance at a small plastic payout. Obviously this is thinking far ahead but if I'm not aiming for open cash and I'm trying to be competitive then why even bother?

Here we go again! Every few years the pendulum swings back the other way and we readjust the divisions. It's an endless battle between those who want fewer divisions with bigger fields and those who want more little divisions. I support the former. It's become ridiculous how many micro divisions we have now. The overlap in scores shows the silliness.

Four years ago we had a significant sized demand for the intermediate division. If I had a dollar for every time I heard "Dayton has an int. division" I could golf all day and be a 960 rated player. Our club took 2 years to offer the division and by then many demanding the division either improved, moved, or stopped playing in the series. Fast forward two years and the turnout has not justified the division.

If anyone thinks we have issues with too many divisions or not, please take a few minutes and look at the results of the CCS events and look at the total strokes for each division. Looks like we don`t need any divisional separation since everyone seems to shoot pretty damn close to each other.With so many different divisions all it does is split up the pie more, just look at how many times the same score for one division would have won/cashed in a few others.

Just to catch up with the prior topics... I thought the Goshen course was REALLY nice too. Mr. Spaulding is quite the trooper, in his 80's, to be out on his mower cutting the grass on the course. The Smith couple are really sweet folks too (I think I have the names right - Adam, let me know?). Pete shot some "smokin'" golf and it was great to see his family out there with him.

The divisional debate is a tough one. Simply put, I think AM divisions need to be motivated by payout and entry fee, with the advanced division having a steeper payout and higher entry fee than the less skilled divisions. Folks who shoot better scores should naturally move to divisions where their good scores will yield more payout. If I could regularly still shoot 1000 rated rounds, I would attempt to take on the Open division guys for the big bucks :-)

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