I don't see a problem with KTM adding a luxury touring bike, it's a cool looking bike! Not sure how much of a PITA it's going to be to do Maintainence, valves and stuff though.

But for going seriously offroad, even the 950/990 is a garbage scow. Who wants to throw a $14,000 / 600lb (loaded) beast onto the ground at regular intervals anyway? But to take long trips and be able to get out back to the best fishing spots, camping spots, etc, ok, I can see that. If I want to go hardcore offloading, even a 500 is a lot of bike.

I like the new 1190, and if its going to be 150hp it's going to rule the roost in the adv big bike category.

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Hey, I'd not have a problem with it either if they still built an improved 990! And some guys actually ride these bikes off road, real off road.

By improved 990 I don't mean more, more, more! I mean less, less, less! 15 other guys and myself thought that open class adv bikes were great for todays Scrub Pine Enduro in NJ sand and I'll bet to a man none of them thought another 50 HP or 25 lbs would be a good thing to add to their bikes today!

"But for going seriously offroad, even the 950/990 is a garbage scow. Who wants to throw a $14,000 / 600lb (loaded) beast onto the ground at regular intervals anyway? But to take long trips and be able to get out back to the best fishing spots, camping spots, etc, ok, I can see that. If I want to go hardcore offloading, even a 500 is a lot of bike."

Exactly KMC1, like a KTM Adv 990 was such a great bike to toss around the woods or dessert.

From my comments elsewhere on advrider.com on this same topic:
"I used to ride and love motocross and enduro, grew up with the nostalgia of that type of bike, love that comfortable riding position, already have a street bike, want a fun-to-ride all arounder. Something as comfortable to commute to the office with as well as take a nice weekend (or longer) road trip possibly with the guys or with the wife. Needs to be pannier capable, must have a great motor ready to cruise at highway speeds (and then some), decent mileage, reliable as all heck cuz I might neglect it some between dealing with work and the kids, adventure styling cuz its cool, thats what I want. Will I be off-road ride deep in the jungle/dessert, not likely, nor would I want a +500lb beast - of any brand mind you - for that anyway . Plain and simple, the SUV of the motorcycle world as it's been reffered to" .

So for wanting more even though you're not likely to ever take it off road is for poser squids cuz there not wrestling a 500 lb machine off road? The way I see it - if your wrestling some 500lb machine off road you made the wrong choice. These are great times for motorcyclists, do I want more power, yes, do I want more braking, yes, do I want lighter, yes, do I want more of more, absolutely, and I want it now. Can't wait for the KTM 1290 and hopefully Honda will get off its arse and bring something comparable to the US.

15 other guys and myself thought that open class adv bikes were great for todays Scrub Pine Enduro in NJ sand and I'll bet to a man none of them thought another 50 HP or 25 lbs would be a good thing to add to their bikes today!

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An rxv 550 would be much faster than a 950 in the open class if you wanted to be competitive. Just sayin...

Hey, I'd not have a problem with it either if they still built an improved 990! And some guys actually ride these bikes off road, real off road.

By improved 990 I don't mean more, more, more! I mean less, less, less! 15 other guys and myself thought that open class adv bikes were great for todays Scrub Pine Enduro in NJ sand and I'll bet to a man none of them thought another 50 HP or 25 lbs would be a good thing to add to their bikes today!

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I thought the 950 SE was taking the Adventure design into the right direction... but for some reason the market just didn't follow. Or that the SE was just too far ahead of it's time.

I hope KTM doesn't give up on this direction. It has a lot of downstream potential, at least in my view.

I want an 1190 really bad. How come the only KTM dealers near me sell only offroad only motorcycles? Even the dealer where I bought my 990 says he can no longer sell street leagal KTMs.

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It's all part of KTMs strategy to go "upscale" and leave their loyal dealers and customers behind. My dealer is awesome, Town & Country in Hamburg, NJ, and can't sell them either. If this is what they are bringing no loss anyway.

It's all part of KTMs strategy to go "upscale" and leave their loyal dealers and customers behind. My dealer is awesome, Town & Country in Hamburg, NJ, and can't sell them either. If this is what they are bringing no loss anyway.

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Interesting how Chile is such a different market. KTM dealers in Europe sell very few Adventures, being the Duke their best seller; if you go to any KTM dealer in Chile you'll see a couple of Dukes and lots, lots of Adventures, clearly their best seller even ten years after it was introduced.
We are lucky in terms of freedom to ride offroad, and since Chile is such a long country where you can travel hundred of miles on and off road makes the Adventure a perfect bike.

in this video it doesn't seem the guy on the KTM super enduro is having any problems at all... none! I'd say its just a bit larger than the 690. Typically its not the bike, I know that to be true with my skills or lack of..

jeez, you guy still complaining and trying to figure out why the 1190 is not your replacement for your 950/990??? starting to sound like a bunch of bmw whinners. it's a new bike for a different segment. is that so hard to comprehend? if everyone love there 950/990 so much over this bike then keep riding it for many years to come. no one is putting a gun to your head to upgrade.

I would definitely buy it if I had the 25 000 &#8364; extra money. But I don't have so much extra, only few hard earned euros. I can't justify to myself buying one because I see the only improvements over the old one is the engine and some little tricks like the off-road abs. If it had even 100 hp, under 200 kg weight, 35 liter tank and the best long travel suspension ever I may have other thoughts.

On the other hand this new adventure is a good thing for me at least money wise. Now I think I will keep my 990 forever because it's going to be the last street version of a Dakar winning "big" bike. Maybe I should by a spare bike to get spare parts before they end.. $$

"We're absolutely coining it in on our small capacity dirt bikes and will continue to do so, but there's another lucrative market segment we should be going after: The middle aged, middle class man who has watched The Long Way Round and wants a bike that people who know what they're doing can/will ride in the dirt, but which he himself will never even take down a gravel road."

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Not picking on you in anyway Ceri JC, it's just that your post kind of describes me.... I'm very interested in the 1190. I haven't had a street legal bike in a long time. I've been thinking it's time to buy another one. Ideally (meaning if I had the money), I'd buy two street legal bikes - something like the Honda or Kawasaki 650 or KTM 690 plus an "Adventure" bike. I don't want another "crotch rocket" (too old for those now) or a "cruiser" (those just aren't for me) or a Gold Wing. Since I don't have the money for two more motorcyles (I have four dirt bikes and two ATVs), one bike that appeals to me will have to suffice and from what I've seen about the 1190, that's it. I WILL take it down a gravel road in a heartbeat. I probably will not ever do any serious offroading with it because I already own bikes better suited for offroad than any "Adventure" bike. I doubt seriously that I'll ever make any long trips on it either (meaning no further / longer than a few hundred miles / weekend trips). I want something that I can ride on both the interstates and the back roads and also haul a change of clothes and a tooth brush in case I don't want to go back home the same day plus something that is capable of and practicle to ride somewhere other than paved highways.

BTW, I've never seen (or even heard of it before your post) The Long Way Round.

It is that simple... Buy the 1190 (The "R" if you want to presume and sacrifice the comfort) and get a bike who you can drive better than any other "adventure bike" on the current market.
And for those who real want serious off road.. Just buy a second hand pure off road bike!
Just that simple!

I want an 1190 really bad. How come the only KTM dealers near me sell only offroad only motorcycles? Even the dealer where I bought my 990 says he can no longer sell street leagal KTMs.

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KTM forces the dealers into buying too many street bikes, they cannot order just ADV bikes. Can't remember the number but one dealer said he was forced to take a shitload of various big twins regardless of the local market demands. Thus, many dealers do not handle street bikes.