I think all the companies outsourcing production are prone to such disappointments. I have bought recently a very expensive buggy 1/10 designed in Germany, but outsourced to Taiwan. What a mistake. All the machined parts have a poor fit similar to that of aftermarket parts coming from SE Asia. The spur holder was out of true, and wobbled like a rotten tooth! That's not what you expect when spending upwards of 600$ on a car.

Look at the fit of Tamiya or Xray, or any other car built in a western country and you'll realise there's a huge difference. I think if you want to go down this path you have to factor in a huge cost in warranty claims or 100% zero tolerance QC.

Volkswagen did this when they took posesion of their Skoda factory in the Czech Republic and the result was a more reliable car than the competing Volkswagen/Audis built on the same platform in Germany where QC was only 40%.

I think all the companies outsourcing production are prone to such disappointments. I have bought recently a very expensive buggy 1/10 designed in Germany, but outsourced to Taiwan. What a mistake. All the machined parts have a poor fit similar to that of aftermarket parts coming from SE Asia. The spur holder was out of true, and wobbled like a rotten tooth! That's not what you expect when spending upwards of 600$ on a car.

Look at the fit of Tamiya or Xray, or any other car built in a western country and you'll realise there's a huge difference. I think if you want to go down this path you have to factor in a huge cost in warranty claims or 100% zero tolerance QC.

Volkswagen did this when they took posesion of their Skoda factory in the Czech Republic and the result was a more reliable car than the competing Volkswagen/Audis built on the same platform in Germany where QC was only 40%.

you are speculating these issues. i feel it wont happen, as the quality of the gas cars on the current platform and manufacturing, the 411 is coming from the same place. the 966 , 733, and the 120 are all national champion chassis (from certain parts of the world). and i believe the 411 will do the same some time soon.

so save all the speculations, and if you choose to not go down that path, then that is your choice, you can not warn others of bad things when the car isnt even released yet.

you are speculating these issues. i feel it wont happen, as the quality of the gas cars on the current platform and manufacturing, the 411 is coming from the same place. the 966 , 733, and the 120 are all national champion chassis (from certain parts of the world). and i believe the 411 will do the same some time soon.

so save all the speculations, and if you choose to not go down that path, then that is your choice, you can not warn others of bad things when the car isnt even released yet.

Nice patronising pep talk.

But wrong.

Speculation is a predictive opinion about whether or not something will happen without hard data. I have presented my hard data, but issued no prediction, if you read it carefully.

You on the other hand "feel" and "believe" it's not going to happen without any supporting evidence. Now who's speculating?

But that's fine, you can speculate as much as your heart desires. I don't mind. It's an open forum.

Speculation is a predictive opinion about whether or not something will happen without hard data. I have presented my hard data, but issued no prediction, if you read it carefully.

You on the other hand "feel" and "believe" it's not going to happen without any supporting evidence. Now who's speculating?

But that's fine, you can speculate as much as your heart desires. I don't mind. It's an open forum.

dont start this crap again. i know who you are.

you talk about a totally different brand, yet slap it on the 411. your comment is not relevant, to the serpent product. what i said, is from years of racing the serpent product at the highest level of racing in Australia. yet you like to race kids and the not so experienced to gain your results.

the serpent product has been very good since changing its base to china, some initial flaws that were sorted out very quickly , but really only one that was a tank issue. now every brand has its own issues and you cant label every brand a cheap one, or very low quality as you have previously stated.
i make my statement from racing the serpent product, and supporting it. i would never ever go to a Mugen thread and say the cars are no good. or a HB or Tamiya thread and say the product is no good, why, cause i do not race it, nor would i slander a brand or chassis that i have no personal knowledge of.

Hey niznai, why so immature. You made a statement which is rather speculative. So its more than logical that you will be put right...and when so happens just be humble and reply with respect.

No necessity for such behavior. This indeed is an open form for S411 enthusiasts. So if you are disappointed in your own decision to buy a crappy product. Please be so kind to share in a thread concerning that brand ore type of vehicle. And if you do not have anything to contribute to the cause, please don't reply

From a non serpent owner and somewhat new to RC racing. I have heard more than one person tell me about a car serpent made, then stopped making parts for it. So my opinion is, it really doesnt matter who posts what. Most people know of the S400 issue. Even the noobs. Nice lookn ride tho

Fact is non of us know what this car will be like, lets just wait and see.

Yes i too think its pretty funny as well

so getting back to the car..........

some one asked for more info ? we should get to know more in about 8 or so days. some one is flying in to oversee production, once happy then i guess things should start to be finalized. there are lots of pics of the car on redrc.net for those wanting to look some more.

From a non serpent owner and somewhat new to RC racing. I have heard more than one person tell me about a car serpent made, then stopped making parts for it. So my opinion is, it really doesnt matter who posts what. Most people know of the S400 issue. Even the noobs. Nice lookn ride tho

that is fine, the people who made comment had owned the car themselves. but it was not a quality issue at hand, was a parts supply, so thats what got me more annoyed, but im past that, and to be ignored now, probably is the best way in the long run for himself.