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Rich Prick

That pretty much sums up the left. In their world, one special cause trumps other special causes. That’s why usually strident feminists are so quiet when it comes to the horrors inflicted on women by Islam’s men.

Caine9

AgentBallSack

stephen2d

They are Griff, but I don’t recall any conservative Christian throwing gays of balconies or whipping/killing/raping women for daring to go “inappropriately dressed” in public. Not in the last two centuries, at least.

stephieboy

“It’s always amusing to me when I hear right-wing Christians speaking out so angrily against Islam. When you separate Islamic radicals (aka terrorists), and just focus on the two religions themselves, they’re not all that different. In fact, on many issues they wholeheartedly agree. Again, I’m not talking about groups like ISIS or any other terrorist organization, I’m focusing on basic, non-militant Islamic fundamentalists who believe in Sharia law and that religion should rule over government, such as those in Saudi Arabia.

Take women’s rights for example. Granted, women here in the United States are given far more freedoms than women in many nations ruled by Islam, but that freedom has come from secularists – not Christian fundamentalists. If it were up to many of these fundamentalists, women would have far fewer rights than they currently have. Even in 2015, I still meet hardcore evangelicals here in Texas quite often who think women should wear long skirts and hide as much skin as possible. But when you get beyond basic rights for women, both right-wing Christians and Islamic fundamentalists oppose abortion, sex education and contraceptives.

Then there’s always homosexuality and gay rights, a subject both sides vehemently oppose. Homosexuality is extremely frowned upon (if not outright illegal) in many Islamic nations. Meanwhile, here in the U.S., Republicans continue to do just about everything they can to deny homosexuals equal rights and legalize discrimination against them. Again, millions of homosexuals are moving closer and closer to equal rights because of secularists, not because of Christian fundamentalism. I fully believe that if it were up to many right-wing evangelicals in this country, and we had no Constitution to prevent them from doing it, many wouldn’t have a problem with making homosexuality illegal….”

radvad

Poor old Griff can’t differentiate between a difference of opinion and murder.

I can.
Easy .
Progressive liberals is the only difference.
Without us you lot would still be gleefully drowning witches, slaughtering infidels and burning heretics between doffing your caps to the aristocracy and grubbing for your pitiful existence on a meager patch of the local knobs land.

I’m sorry, but equating the US with Moslem nations is a bit of a joke, right?

‘Meanwhile, here in the U.S.’

Meanwhile, here in the Western world, we don’t execute people for being homosexuals. We don’t gang rape and stone women to death for being ‘impure’. I’m sorry, but the plights of women and homosexuals in our way of life are a dream come true for some people. To equate them must, surely, be a joke.

And women and homosexuals achieved a hell of a lot before secularism became ‘mainstream’, even in the US.

Shunda barunda

“Progressive liberals is the only difference.
Without us you lot would still be gleefully drowning witches, slaughtering infidels and burning heretics between doffing your caps to the aristocracy and grubbing for your pitiful existence on a meager patch of the local knobs land.”

I have got to get a hold of this history book you own Griff.

Is it the lib-prog history of the world abridged and edited for a contemporary audience?

Just maybe if you put down that bible of yours first you might learn shundra.
Conservative do you know the origins of the word ?
Here let me help.
In Britain, conservative ideas (though not yet called that) emerged in the Tory movement during the Restoration period (1660–1688). Toryism supported a hierarchical society with a monarch who ruled by divine right. Tories opposed the idea that sovereignty derived from the people, and rejected the authority of parliament and freedom of religion.

Shunda barunda

Toryism supported a hierarchical society with a monarch who ruled by divine right. Tories opposed the idea that sovereignty derived from the people, and rejected the authority of parliament and freedom of religion.

And you say that they derived this from the teachings of Christ Griff?

All_on_Red

Longknives

There is an Aussie Feminist writer (who’s name escapes me) I often see links to on Facebook.
She is a hardcore Feminist- but bizarrely the staunchest defender of Islam you would ever see!
White Christian males are the root of all evil of course…
This cartoon sums up such people perfectly.

dubya

Did I say that ?
Very little if anything Christians say on here has any basis in the teachings of Christ .
If you do ever get around to reading and thinking about the actual teachings of Christ you will find he was a lot more like a liberal progressive than a conservative.
Luke 10:25-37
Matthew 7:1
Matthew 19:21
Etc etc etc

DifferentPerspective

Woo hoo – a visit to the naughty chair at the Human Rights Tribunal is on the way for you!

Actually – now that I think about it – clearly the HRC is biased towards the Government and the far right. After all – they actually have the word “Right” in their name! How much more blatant can you be!

It’s so funny how the loons on the left label anyone who they don’t like or disagree with as a fascist or a nazi – all the while espousing all of the key characteristics of the fascists and nazis of the 30s and 40s:
– support and sympathy for the evils of Islam
– restrictions on freedom of expression
– rampant anti-semitism

Shunda barunda

There is an Aussie Feminist writer (who’s name escapes me) I often see links to on Facebook.
She is a hardcore Feminist- but bizarrely the staunchest defender of Islam you would ever see!

Yeah, my sister often posts her garbage.

Last time I talked to her she fired a shot across my bow (even though I never bring up Christianity with her) then informs me that her son has been praying to Allah with the new Muslim boyfriend of her best friend.

Told me that if anyone has a problem with it then they will feel her wrath.

This dude knocked up her best friend out of wedlock and seems to be quite sympathetic to ISIS, but if I dare mention Jesus I had better look out!!!

BarryB

There are two types of tolerance:
1. The type when you exercise patience when – for example – someone is learning to drive – they will get better.
2. The other type is when one lowers your standards or expectations – eg: Oh well – if people cant spell properly then we will probably have to go along with it.

Now as for likes and dislikes and prejudice – well I am entitled to the ones that I have.

As for rights – actually there are very few deliverable ‘rights’. We hear people wailing about the ‘Right’ to a house or a job or all sorts of things. The question to ask when these claims are made is “And who is responsible for delivering or supplying these demands” – and of course the usual answer is “the government” – ie: us, me, you etc. Well guess what – I dont have a duty to supply anyone with a job or a house or respect or tolerance, etc, etc. I have no duty to respect transgender people or to not discriminate against them (on a personal level).

I think there is a lot of stupid stuff spoken about rights and tolerance.

radvad

tom hunter

Griff (13,404 comments) says:
May 24th, 2016 at 3:47 pm
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Progressive liberals is the only difference. Without us you lot would still be gleefully drowning witches, slaughtering infidels and burning heretics …

Pity that “Progressive liberals” are so shit useless at those things now – just when they were needed again they’re folding like cheap suits.

And of course, that’s stipulating your argument in the first place, which, being familiar with Christian history, I’m not inclined to accept, even though I’m also a secularist, like a few others who’ve posted here.

I realise that you absolutely loathe “God freaks” and “Sky Worshippers”, especially where the pronounce on socially conservative things, and wish only to figuratively kick the shit out of them, and you love trolling them – but this obstinate refusal to cut the historic Christian faiths any slack at all for having so often produced the “liberal progressive” aspects you so love, just makes you look both ignorant and fanatical.

But I’ll leave it to the likes of Kimbo to explain the intellectual history to you. You might actually enjoy it.

It appears the reason the left are being tarred with this tolerance of gay bashing and misogyny if is carried out by Muslims is a consequence of their opposition to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan along with being critical of the regular slaughter of Palestinians carried out by the IDF and fanatical settlers.
Apparently, the US and their flunkies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to liberate women and homosexuals; weird thing is, this is exactly the same reason Israelis have to slaughter so many Palestinians.

No tom you will not get kimbo on your side
he is after all a bloody liberal under all that fancy language

refusal to cut the historic Christian faiths any slack at all for having so often produced the “liberal progressive” aspects you so love, just makes you look both ignorant and fanatical.

Being a Yankaphile you of course know the story of the pilgrims..escaping persecution from main stream Christianity.

The constitution of your fantasy country was writing by?
A conservative Christians from the established religions
b heretics.

Thomas Jefferson

“every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty … they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon

Thomas Paine

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

James Madison diest not a conservative christian.
John Adams Christian Unitarian not a conservative christian.

You were saying about history… I think you forget the USA was founded in spite of not because of the Christian establishment at the time

eszett

Third panel Should read I am a conservative christian.
After all their ideas shared are with Muslims fundamentalists even coming from the same source .

I don’t think you get the point. It’s not about whether conservative muslims and christians have similar if not the same attitude towards women and gays.

The point is that large parts of the left will passionately criticise any conservative or christian attitudes towards gays or women or any other topic but shy away from even the slightest criticism of muslims.

Be a conservative christian and against gay marriage: you are a christian bigot.
Throw gays of a rooftop: Nothing to do with Islam.

Insofar the title is wrong, it should be called the “regressive left”.

I think such things are mostly just the right wing wonks talking shit .
Atheists on here often get much the same bullshit “you attack Christians yet suck up to Muslims ”
I dislike Muslims religion as much as I do Christians .
Seen any Muslims on here to attack for the absurdity of their beliefs lately ?

Shunda barunda

Would you like to point out were I have lied for the fsm shundra rather than hand waving ?
The definition was from wiki as was the quotes.
I could go else where to find the same if you dont agree both the history of the constitution and the origins of political conservatives are common knowledge undisputed by all except the most wonky far rightwing nutters .
You really would be doffing your cap to the local lord or bishop if it was not for progressive change rather than conservative status.

eszett

Seen any Muslims on here to attack for the absurdity of their beliefs lately ?

Again, the point is not about right wingers criticising muslims.

The point is that lefties are reluctant to criticise Islam and it’s doctrines and that some muslims behave the way they behave precisely because of those doctrines. They will happily betray their own ideals, rather than to even give the slightest appeareance that they may be rascist.

When Chrsitians are motivated by their faith or the holy books, the left have no problem pointing that out that lot of the bigotry is justified or rooted by religious beliefs and their holy books. And rightfully so.

When Muslims do far, far worse things than any Christian fundementalist would do the left bend over backwards not to criticise Islam and come up with all sorts of excuses. And they do so even when those Muslims tell us, abundantly clear and ad nauseum, their motivations and why they do the things they do.

And very sadly, and ironically, only the right remains to criticise Islam.

The rise of the far right in Europe and elsewhere is to some degree a responsibility of the lefts fairlure to address these issues.

Rich Prick

They will happily betray their own ideals, rather than to even give the slightest appearance that they may be racist.

Ah, yes, and the first casualty is the “equality” they keep demanding. I guess the Muslim hangman is more “equal” than the homosexual dangling from his noose. The Muslim man throwing acid into his daughter’s face is more “equal” than her and her wicked dating ways. That’s the left for you. Weird bunch.

DifferentPerspective

eszett (2,978 comments) says:
May 24th, 2016 at 7:28 pm
Seen any Muslims on here to attack for the absurdity of their beliefs lately ?

Again, the point is not about right wingers criticising muslims.

The point is that lefties are reluctant to criticise Islam and it’s doctrines and that some muslims behave the way they behave precisely because of those doctrines. They will happily betray their own ideals, rather than to even give the slightest appeareance that they may be rascist.

When Chrsitians are motivated by their faith or the holy books, the left have no problem pointing that out that lot of the bigotry is justified or rooted by religious beliefs and their holy books. And rightfully so.

When Muslims do far, far worse things than any Christian fundementalist would do the left bend over backwards not to criticise Islam and come up with all sorts of excuses. And they do so even when those Muslims tell us, abundantly clear and ad nauseum, their motivations and why they do the things they do.

And very sadly, and ironically, only the right remains to criticise Islam.

The rise of the far right in Europe and elsewhere is to some degree a responsibility of the lefts fairlure to address these issues.

Shunda barunda

You really would be doffing your cap to the local lord or bishop if it was not for progressive change rather than conservative status.

Christianity has been a religion of continual reform and progression, that there were a few problems along the way does not make it rational or logical to ignore the context of history or the various dual agendas at play that often corrupted the gospel.

We (and most of the western world at least) don’t have a problem with the teachings of our prophet, all our problems have been related to NOT following them consistently.

Your view of history on this matter is not accurate or rational, it reveals a prejudicial view that in my opinion puts your form of atheism firmly in the conspiracy theorist camp.

Adolf Fiinkensein

AgentBallSack

Adolf, when did it stop being a crime for being a homosexual (under our laws based on the 10 commandments)? People were still imprisoned in our society in the 1970s for sodomy. When did rape of a spouse become illegal?

Seen any Muslims on here to attack for the absurdity of their beliefs lately ?

Again, the point is not about right wingers criticising muslims.

The point is that lefties are reluctant to criticise Islam and it’s doctrines and that some muslims behave the way they behave precisely because of those doctrines. They will happily betray their own ideals, rather than to even give the slightest appeareance that they may be rascist.

When Chrsitians are motivated by their faith or the holy books, the left have no problem pointing that out that lot of the bigotry is justified or rooted by religious beliefs and their holy books. And rightfully so.

When Muslims do far, far worse things than any Christian fundementalist would do the left bend over backwards not to criticise Islam and come up with all sorts of excuses. And they do so even when those Muslims tell us, abundantly clear and ad nauseum, their motivations and why they do the things they do.

And very sadly, and ironically, only the right remains to criticise Islam.

The rise of the far right in Europe and elsewhere is to some degree a responsibility of the lefts fairlure to address these issues.

When the Soviet Union collapsed the Western establishments shit themselves, all of a sudden there was no ‘imminent threat’ providing a pretext to spend up large on military arsenals; no pretext to justify authoritarian style intelligence networks; no rationale to fund foreign terror regimes in the global battle against communism. Without the ‘evil empire’ there was no official enemy. So guess what Western establishments set about doing, they’ve embarked on a path of creating a whole new raft of ‘official enemies’.

And those ‘lucky’ Muslims got promoted to the top of the shit list; and you want me to join in this far-right agenda of screaming at some stereotype promoted by the most sophisticated propaganda machine the planet has ever witnessed.
Sure, there are plenty of Muslims who are disgusting homophobes, misogynists and all out socio-paths; the Western propaganda system loves these Muslims so much, and promotes them so fervently, we have become accustomed to the words Muslim and Islam being synonymous with concepts like terrorism, repression of women and the persecution of homosexuals.

This cartoon has nothing to do with criticising the Left’s reluctance to condemn the homophobic and misogynistic tendencies within Islam, it is about justifying the right of Western warmongers to demonize a marginal group so when they are slaughtered en masse we needn’t trouble our consciences with their blood; THEY HAD IT COMING!

No thanks, eszett. You join in this far-right hate fest, if that’s what makes you feel better. Just don’t expect much in the way of support from people like me. The growth of the far-right in Europe and the US is as a direct consequence of the kind of bigoted propaganda we have been subjected to for the last couple of decades; it has got nothing to do with the ‘Left’s’ unwillingness to participate in the progrom.

eszett

This cartoon has nothing to do with criticising the Left’s reluctance to condemn the homophobic and misogynistic tendencies within Islam, it is about justifying the right of Western warmongers to demonize a marginal group so when they are slaughtered en masse we needn’t trouble our consciences with their blood; THEY HAD IT COMING!

The gays thrown of rooftops were muslims. The women who are opressed are muslims. The men, women and children ripped apaprt by suicide bombers are muslims.

No one suffers more under Islamist more than muslims. The number of muslims killed and maimed by other muslims greatly outnumbers anything undertaken by western forces by a country mile.

The cartoon has nothing to do about right wing war mongerers other than in your imagination. It has everything to do with the regressive left enabling the Islamist warmongerers and their sympathisers.

tom hunter

Yoza (2,862 comments) says:
May 24th, 2016 at 10:07 pm

Eighty years ago in Germany you pricks were using the same tactics to go after Jews.

Less than forty years ago evil little pieces of communist shite like you were gleefully murdering thousands of people because they wore glasses, and millions more for “counter-revolutionary” activities or some other inhuman crap. Just two years ago you were masturbating on here frequently to the sound of Chavez.

Chuckle. Can dish it but not take it eh sweetie – or was your little late-night jibe at me the other night on the Venezuela thread simply an acknowledgement that you’d run out of defensive and deflecting arguments?

As you have here. All you’ve got left is boiler-plate bullshit inscribed in the deepest recesses of your calcified little brain.

If you had even the faintest clue about what real humans are like outside of your texts you might begin to understand why so many left-wingers have turned their back on you and yours and joined up with the “Far Right” in Europe or at least abandoned you. It’s pretty bloody grim, but with every rant the likes of you spew they become more certain that you’ll sell them down the river even more than you already have in your fanatical, insane desire for class warfare.

The gays thrown of rooftops were muslims. The women who are opressed are muslims. The men, women and children ripped apaprt by suicide bombers are muslims.

The only time these people become ‘worthy victims’ is when their deaths are at the hands of official enemies, if they’re being incinerated by US drones in Pakistan, massacred in Yemen by Saudi air strikes, rotting in Egyptian torture chambers or the subjects of Israeli terror they are largely ignored.

The horrors inflicted on women and homosexuals by Islamic extremists is disgusting, but don’t kid yourself about the right-wing crocodile tears or the crazy narrative about the left’s acceptance of Islamic violence.
I read a great many left-wing commentators and I don’t recall any of them making excuses for this kind of Islamic extremism. What you do get is commentators on the left pointing to Western terror creating the conditions which have led to a massive increase in acts of Islamic extremism, but this is a million miles from condoning that level of religious intolerance.

Rich Prick

tom hunter

And you’re losing, Yoza – as you have been for more than a century – and now worse than ever. Nothing more boring than that, especially when you’re too dumb to learn from your mistakes.

But I do appreciate the fact that it has taken the words of a real left-winger, eszett, to unhinge you. People like me you can dismiss with a wave of your unthinking mind. But eszett, with whom I have had many disagreements over the years on this blog, could only be assigned to the Far Right by a fanatic like you.

Luckily for him and the rest of the Western Left, they’ve not needed anything “in the way of support from people like you for decades.

I don’t recall any of them making excuses for this kind of Islamic extremism….

Way to miss the point, dim-dull, as most other lefties have here also.

As the cartoon brilliantly points out, one-eyed retards like you only see this sort of thing when it’s dressed up in the comfortable garb of a Western white male and only then are you willing to speak out and “get tough”. But when it dons Islamic clothes, Far Lefters like you turn out to be as compromised, as silent, and as useless as any twit from the modern Safe Space Trigger Warning Identity Politics club you so despise. You are one of them, but you try and dress it up as having roots in your ancient ideology.

The left’s losing? Name one genuinely capitalist country in the world. The most succesful countries all had capitalism extensively modified and muzzeled by socialist activism over the last 150 years, and in general the more they were modified by socialism the more successful they are (in terms of well-being of the people who live there). An actual capitalist country would be such a nightmare no-one’s been game to create one.

The point is that lefties are reluctant to criticise Islam and it’s doctrines and that some muslims behave the way they behave precisely because of those doctrines. They will happily betray their own ideals, rather than to even give the slightest appeareance that they may be rascist.

Well, some of them. I’ve had plenty of arguments over at the Standard with such apologists, often people who don’t hesitate to hold Christianity to account for the consequences of its ideology. But there are others who get the point.

mikenmild

Well said, PM. This thread has been a bit puzzling, as some people seem to think that the cartoon has highlighted some universal truth. Yes, some people might give Muslims a free pass to be sexist or homophobic. But this is probably just as rare as those fundies who think it is okay to discriminate against gays because of their own ‘religious’ freedom.
Fanatics and bigots come in all shapes and sizes, and use every variety of ideology to justify their nastiness.

slightlyrighty

It’s sad how some people’s ideas of tolerance lead them to be so tolerant that they tolerate the intolerable, and wear that as a badge of pride and honour. “Look at me!” they cry as they hold hands with those who oppress in the name of their cause, and when they are called out about it, they take on the mantle of the oppressed they claim to support.

Admittedly, they are few in number, but vocal in their presence. The self raising status they derive from their actions is increased as a result of the social media backlash they inevitably generate against themselves, and the cycle begins again.

tom hunter

Psycho Milt (3,191 comments) says:
May 25th, 2016 at 6:33 amAnd you’re losing, Yoza – as you have been for more than a century…

The left’s losing? Name one genuinely capitalist country in the world.

You’re aware that Yoza is a self-described Libertarian Socialist? Someone who regards leftists like you as a sell out. Although he does love his failing communist regimes, which leads me to think his anarchism is a sham and that he’s just a plain old hardline communist.

So yes, his brand of leftism has been losing for a long time.

I’d have said the same thing about an Objectivist.

Well, some of them. I’ve had plenty of arguments…

I have no doubt you have done this Psycho, but then you have often refused to hew to flavour-of-the-day Leftist causes.

That actually makes you the rarity, as these thread comments demonstrate.