コレ見てサザンだけが浮いてるっていうのもすごい時代になったよねI'm amazed at the times that we're in, since looking at this, Southern is the one that looks out of place

812： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 17:03:26.34 ID:XSfeME8F

>>5

>>8

B'zとかミスチルとか、もうランクインしなくなってるんやなぁEven B'z or MisChil can't even make it into these rankings, huh

13： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:21:36.89 ID:DSrt/B3b

そもそもJ-POPって言葉が邦楽を壊したんですがI actually think that the term "J-POP" destroyed Japanese music

21： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:22:34.66 ID:t5aUf4IF

ラジオでもあんまり新曲流さないよなThey don't play too many new songs even on the radio, right?

24： 坂本先生 ◆hOgSBX1pOBTE 2013/12/03(火) 15:23:22.64 ID:seSlPtvO

俺は宇多田と平井がぶっ壊したと思ってるけどな

本格派なんて誰も求めてないのに視聴者もマスコミもみんな玄人ぶってこいつらを持ち上げた

そのせいでヘタウマジャンルが死んだんや

In a sense, I'm actually thinking that Utada and Hirai destroyed it.No one was asking for genuine artists like them, and it led to the consumers and the media all acting like specialists and experts by praising these 2.And because of them, the "heta-uma" (bad-but-good) genre died.http://ticketcamp.net/live-blog/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/01/0eab1906737950b4e055aa840ec4d482.jpg

But who would've thought that people would start missing the songs in 2004.I think 2ch at that time was already voicing out that the industry was over, much more so than these days.

90： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:32:44.91 ID:6Z5++ZUN

AKBが売れてることの何が不満なんかわからんI don't get why you guys are not satisfied with AKB selling well

96： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:33:48.07 ID:YS85ZOpb

>>90

売り方が汚い

歌に魅力がない

歌唱力がない

Dirty selling method.Songs have no appeal.No singing ability.

99： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:33:57.19 ID:wL7DUizq

>>90

握手券のせいで楽曲の出来関係なくミリオンだからBecause they sell millions regardless of the quality of the song, just because of the handshake passes

92： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:32:50.54 ID:9JQgGfr8

元々CDって豆腐より需要無いんだから、って誰か言ってたなSomeone did say that CDs had lower demand than tofu

104： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:34:23.68 ID:rJx7QQqL

ビーイングがバーニングと対立して干されたのは痛い

これでユーザーの選択肢が狭まったからな

Being going up against Burning Productions and getting frozen out in the process was a huge blow for the industry.Because of this, users had less choices.http://www.tsuhanclub.sakura.ne.jp/img/cdbeing02.jpg

106： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:34:29.85 ID:rEg1HS82

ええやん

４８グループとジャニーズとEXILE除いたランキング出したれやThen someone should come up with a ranking minus the 48 groups, Johnny's, and EXILE

113： 坂本先生 ◆hOgSBX1pOBTE 2013/12/03(火) 15:35:10.70 ID:seSlPtvO

>>106

今それやると上位がアニソンだらけになるIf you do that now, all that'll be left at the top will be anime songs

118： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:35:48.41 ID:aehPWBJU

>>106

***1位 ： *33.8万枚 … サザンオールスターズ 「ピースとハイライト」

これだけ

**1st: 338 K --- Southern All Stars "Peace & Highlight"That is all.

117： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:35:39.25 ID:cIS3t6rZ

フォークが流行ってＪＰＯＰおわた

歌謡曲が流行ってＪＰＯＰおわた

小室系が流行ってＪＰＯＰおわた

ＡＫＢが流行ってＪＰＯＰおわた

ＪＰＯＰ終わり過ぎ！

When folk became popular, J-POP was finished.When kayou-songs became popular, J-POP was finished.When Komuro-kei became popular, J-POP was finished.When AKB became popular, J-POP was finished.J-POP's always getting finished!

125： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:36:38.18 ID:bs0M0/rB

でも昔より多様な音楽を手軽に聴けるんだからよっぽどええ時代やろ

ランキングなんかマスコミの洗脳成果てしかないやんけBut we're in much better times now since more music is easily accessible these days. Rankings are just the result of the media's brainwashing tactics.

I don't care if AKB's selling well, I just want them to stop appearing in anything and everything.It's only a few members who are particularly popular, right?

134： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:37:16.01 ID:4MwnLEYj

ガールネクストドアが出てきた辺りでおかしくなった気がするI get the feeling that everything started going the wrong way when Girl Next Door emergedhttp://www.littleoslo.com/lyj/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/girlnextdoor_cd.jpg

151： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:39:04.00 ID:rJx7QQqL

>>134

その辺の時期の実力ないのを無理矢理ゴリ押したエイベックスが発端やと思うで

AKB以上に人気ないのにメディアで煽りまくって人気のように見せてたからな

Avex was at fault that time for forcing these talentless ones on us.They were less popular than AKB but the media kept pushing for them and tried to make it seem that they were popular.

143： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:38:38.54 ID:DSrt/B3b

itunesのランキングとTSUTAYAのランキング見とけば大体流行ってるのはわかる

今年はAKBと進撃の巨人ときゃりーぱみゅぱみゅと西野カナの時代やった

You'll get an idea of what's really popular when you take a look at the iTunes and TSUTAYA rankings.In 2013, it was AKB, Shingeki no Kyojin, Kyary Pamyu Pamyu, and Kana Nishino.

152： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:39:28.82 ID:LFPjwwzt

小室の曲は本当気持ち悪い

AKBのがまだ普通に聞ける。

つかメロディーラインの綺麗さは流石プロって感じだけどな。

小室の曲で記憶に残るのなんて一曲か二曲やろ

Komuro's songs are really disgusting.I can still bear to listen to AKB's songs.But his beautiful melody lines really makes you realize that he's truly a pro.But there are only 1 or 2 Komuro songs that leave lasting impressions.

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/59750717/Tetsuya+komuro.png

168： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:41:47.09 ID:7dQLPNbv

>>152

俺は逆に小室は過小評価されすぎだと思うの

特に歌詞

I on the other hand think that Komuro's underrated.Especially his lyrics.

164： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:41:14.29 ID:KPJGEJ/v

共通の話題として大衆性みたいな時代じゃなくなって好きなジャンル聞けばええ時代になったんやろかね

I just think that we're no longer in the times when everyone liked one single thing. Now, it's more like you just listen to whatever you want.

170： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:42:12.71 ID:6Z5++ZUN

>>164

音楽だけじゃなくて娯楽全般がそんな感じやろThat's not just in music, but you can say that about entertainment in general.

174： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:42:19.63 ID:JX6gnCxe

宇多田ヒカルとオレンジレンジ辺り

日本人にR&Bとかラップが合わないからそっぽ向かれた

I think during Hikaru Utada and Orange Range's time.Japanese people didn't really like R&B and rap so people turned their heads away.http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/bipblog/imgs/d/0/d046aa1f.png

179： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:43:05.22 ID:t5aUf4IF

やっぱ原因はインターネットの普及やろな

昔はCDの発売日が待ち遠しかったけど、今はネットで聴けるもんな

It's all about the dawning of the Internet.Everyone really anticipated the CD release dates back in the day, but now you can just listen to them on the net.

195： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:45:36.83 ID:1IJa6RQx

割とマジでボーカロイドじゃねーの？I'm actually serious here when I say that it's the vocaloidshttp://img5.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/14/8c/sd_hsj_xxx/folder/318989/img_318989_3090536_1?1385510655

200： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:46:31.34 ID:rJx7QQqL

>>195

ボーカロイドはチャートがこんな状態だからこそ伸びたんやろAnd that's precisely why the vocaloids became popular--- because this is how our charts are

235： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:51:19.75 ID:RU0w3Zj0

>>195

インディーズファンがボカロに流れて

新規メジャーデビューってのが減少して空洞化しつつある感じではあるな

Indie fans started going to the vocaloids, which in effect lowered the number of major label debutantes. It does feel like it's becoming devoid of substance.

213： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:48:33.12 ID:P7d3Nhk+

今ある形もJPOPやろ

JPOPは時代で変わっていくんやで

壊したも糞もないんやで

Even what we have now is still called J-POP.J-POP evolves along with the times.It's not destroyed or any of that crap.

239： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:52:15.67 ID:ihN4DmPi

秋元やAKBが批判されるけどオマケ商法は他にいくらでもある

それより批判されるべきはドーピングされた売上枚数を元に『AKBは日本中から大人気』として煽ってるマスコミだろ

特典付きのCDはオリコンから除外するべき

Akimoto and AKB are being criticized, but there are numerous ways of selling with added extras. The ones who should be criticized are the media who's claiming that "AKB is the most popular in Japan", even with those sales that are on steroids.Oricon should remove these CDs with extras from their tally.

253： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:54:46.49 ID:wKDJpiv6

>>239

AKBが消えても新たなゴリ押しが出てくるだけで何も変わらんでEven if AKB disappears, another gori-oshi will just emerge in their place. Nothing's gonna change.

254： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:54:59.06 ID:KPJGEJ/v

多様化のおかげかJPOP聞かない人に対する「ふーん(話しづらいなこの人)」みたいな風潮は減った気がする

Thanks to diversity, it does feel like people aren't that bothered anymore by the ones who don't listen to JPOP (because it's hard to talk to them)

256： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:55:06.16 ID:VqzPHZFb

60、70年代の邦楽はそんなに酷いものじゃなかった。

編曲、演奏もしっかりしてたし。

But the music back in the '60s and the '70s wasn't that bad.The arrangements and the instrumentalizations were all done properly.

277： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:57:58.14 ID:8cZDVVvn

ガチで酷くなったのは2000年代後半から

チャートが終わったのはAKBが握手券商法始めたあたりから

It seriously worsened from the late 2000 onwards.The charts became finished once AKB started their handshake selling method.

284： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 15:59:11.91 ID:7dQLPNbv

>>277

０３年あたりからガクっとおかしくなったで

後半ですでに焼け野が原やったわ

It all suddenly got ruined from 2003 and it was already like a barren land during the second half of the decade.

It's because the people who bought CDs back then grew older and couldn't sympathize with the lyrics of these young bands these days.That's me.

305： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 16:02:18.51 ID:wg9iy3bl

90年代が全てにおいて日本のピークだっただけEverything in Japan just peaked in the '90s.

361： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 16:10:13.65 ID:vhZc2J5y

邦楽終わったとか言われだしたのは90年代のビーング系、小室系全盛期なんだよなぁ

なお今ではこの頃の音楽が懐古されてる模様

だから最近邦楽終わったとか言ってる奴はアホ

People started saying that Japanese music was finished from the emergence of Being-kei and peak of the Komuro-kei in the '90s.And it seems that people now are starting to reminisce about the music of these times.That's why people who say that Japanese music is dead these days are stupid.

368： 風吹けば名無し 2013/12/03(火) 16:11:00.51 ID:SsLUH7C6

歌だけ歌ってればいいって時代が終わって

それについていけなかった連中が

落ちぶれただけの事やろ

The times where artists only need to sing songs are long gone. People who weren't able to cope with the changes just declined, simple as that.

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