Rate the drivers on the grid

Here we are in the summer break and silly season is in full mode. So much talk about the drivers and who goes where.
I propose to rate the drivers on the grid, based mostly on the season they have had so far.

Seb without the Germany mistake would have been first. Kimi with a win would have been 3rd. Verstappen to many mistakes, only 7th. Gasly impressive in the 9th best car deserved his 9th, maybe even more. Leclerc doing well in the Sauber. Magnussen doing at least what that Haas is capable of, Grosjean to many mistakes. Williams drivers not doing that car any favors.

If Seb didnt have some mistakes(Germany,France,Baku) he would definitely be n1. but he showed incredible speed,courage and humility and with Ferrari being (hopefully) better in 2nd part we can win both championships.
PS. Kimi should stay at least one more year 8 podiums in 12 races and he had 2 DNFs and wasnt quite lucky.I still think Charles needs time to be a Ferrari driver, he would be a good replacement to Crashjean in Haas next year and it would be nice to get Antonio in Sauber next year and kick out stupid boring slow rich Ericsson.

1) Sebastian Vettel (performances like Bahrain, Baku (fantastic performance despite strong winds, other drivers including Hamilton went off), Montreal, Spain qualifying, Austria tyre management)
2) Charles Leclerc (putting the Sauber where it doesn't belong multiple times)
3) Fernando Alonso (same as Leclerc)
4) Nico Hulkenberg (can't beat top 3 teams but can beat others and is beating them)
5) Valtteri Bottas (nothing to separate him and Hamilton in qualifying and has been the better Mercedes driver but luck costing him big time)
6) All others can fight from now on based on their occasional strong performances

Now the rating based solely on luck:

1) Lewis Hamilton (Baku, Silverstone, Germany, Hungary)
2-18) Other drivers
19) Valtteri Bottas (losing despite in winning position like China, Baku, Austria)
20) Sebastian Vettel (Bottas was in winning position in the first place is due to the terrible bad luck of Vettel, whenever Vettel is in prime position to get pole or win, something out of his control will happen most of the times)

1) Sebastian Vettel (performances like Bahrain, Baku (fantastic performance despite strong winds, other drivers including Hamilton went off), Montreal, Spain qualifying, Austria tyre management)
2) Charles Leclerc (putting the Sauber where it doesn't belong multiple times)
3) Fernando Alonso (same as Leclerc)
4) Nico Hulkenberg (can't beat top 3 teams but can beat others and is beating them)
5) Valtteri Bottas (nothing to separate him and Hamilton in qualifying and has been the better Mercedes driver but luck costing him big time)
6) All others can fight from now on based on their occasional strong performances

Now the rating based solely on luck:

1) Lewis Hamilton (Baku, Silverstone, Germany, Hungary)
2-18) Other drivers
19) Valtteri Bottas (losing despite in winning position like China, Baku, Austria)
20) Sebastian Vettel (Bottas was in winning position in the first place is due to the terrible bad luck of Vettel, whenever Vettel is in prime position to get pole or win, something out of his control will happen most of the times)

Nice, i like this, i think Dani ric and hulkenberg is better than lewy, but yeah 200% truth mostly lol

hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

1) Sebastian Vettel (performances like Bahrain, Baku (fantastic performance despite strong winds, other drivers including Hamilton went off), Montreal, Spain qualifying, Austria tyre management)
2) Charles Leclerc (putting the Sauber where it doesn't belong multiple times)
3) Fernando Alonso (same as Leclerc)
4) Nico Hulkenberg (can't beat top 3 teams but can beat others and is beating them)
5) Valtteri Bottas (nothing to separate him and Hamilton in qualifying and has been the better Mercedes driver but luck costing him big time)
6) All others can fight from now on based on their occasional strong performances

Now the rating based solely on luck:

1) Lewis Hamilton (Baku, Silverstone, Germany, Hungary)
2-18) Other drivers
19) Valtteri Bottas (losing despite in winning position like China, Baku, Austria)
20) Sebastian Vettel (Bottas was in winning position in the first place is due to the terrible bad luck of Vettel, whenever Vettel is in prime position to get pole or win, something out of his control will happen most of the times)

I pretty much agree with this^
but I'd put Alonso ahead of Max and Bottas 2-3 places further down.

Which one has the stewards falling all over themselves to assist him? Professional wresting is less rigged than this.

lol very true

hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

1) Sebastian Vettel (performances like Bahrain, Baku (fantastic performance despite strong winds, other drivers including Hamilton went off), Montreal, Spain qualifying, Austria tyre management)
2) Charles Leclerc (putting the Sauber where it doesn't belong multiple times)
3) Fernando Alonso (same as Leclerc)
4) Nico Hulkenberg (can't beat top 3 teams but can beat others and is beating them)
5) Valtteri Bottas (nothing to separate him and Hamilton in qualifying and has been the better Mercedes driver but luck costing him big time)
6) All others can fight from now on based on their occasional strong performances

Now the rating based solely on luck:

1) Lewis Hamilton (Baku, Silverstone, Germany, Hungary)
2-18) Other drivers
19) Valtteri Bottas (losing despite in winning position like China, Baku, Austria)
20) Sebastian Vettel (Bottas was in winning position in the first place is due to the terrible bad luck of Vettel, whenever Vettel is in prime position to get pole or win, something out of his control will happen most of the times)

I think you are being generous with Vettel there. Dude has the Fastest car and still he is behind with only 9 races to go. Schumacher would be close to wrapping up the championship with several races to spare in such a dominant car.

I think you are being generous with Vettel there. Dude has the Fastest car and still he is behind with only 9 races to go. Schumacher would be close to wrapping up the championship with several races to spare in such a dominant car.

Had Ferrari signed me instead of Vettel, I would have wrapped up title already, such is the dominance of SF71H.

I think you are being generous with Vettel there. Dude has the Fastest car and still he is behind with only 9 races to go. Schumacher would be close to wrapping up the championship with several races to spare in such a dominant car.

Such a dominant car? Where? Did I miss the whole season? We are on par with Mercedes and have been all year. One or the other have been in front and maybe we are now, but it is far from domination. Maybe I need to remind you of what a dominant car does... Last example is Mercedes 2016, winning 19 of 21 races. In the 2 lost races, they crashed being 1st and 2nd(Spain), and in the other a crash for one driver, and car failure for the other while leading the race(Malayasian GP). That is domination, my friend...

Such a dominant car? Where? Did I miss the whole season? We are on par with Mercedes and have been all year. One or the other have been in front and maybe we are now, but it is far from domination. Maybe I need to remind you of what a dominant car does... Last example is Mercedes 2016, winning 19 of 21 races. In the 2 lost races, they crashed being 1st and 2nd(Spain), and in the other a crash for one driver, and car failure for the other while leading the race(Malayasian GP). That is domination, my friend...

Lewis fans are trying to suggest he is leading the title in the 2nd best car, the truth is as you said not the fantasy of Lewis fans.

Lewis fans are trying to suggest he is leading the title in the 2nd best car, the truth is as you said not the fantasy of Lewis fans.

No if you put fandom aside a bit and be honest it’s pretty hard to categorically claim that Vettel has put in the best performance so far this season in the best car. Leclerc and Alonso for example have been phenomenal. All opinions are valid, but not equally so.

Best car? A toss up every race it seems. Worse car , Max's car. Seb or Lewis in Max's car; and Max in either of their cars, a new 20 yr. old WDC contender for sure.

Yes best car. Ferrari are not inept as people like to portray. They are a great team so why is it so hard to believe that they can do better than Redbull and Mercedes? Sometimes you even wonder if certain people here are truly Ferrari fans the way they talk down the car. Marchionne did a really good job rebuilding why won’t people acknowledge the fruits of his labour. This constant barrage of negative posts talking down the car is becoming tedious when it is universally accepted that finally Ferrari have overhauled Mercedes.

Yes best car. Ferrari are not inept as people like to portray. They are a great team so why is it so hard to believe that they can do better than Redbull and Mercedes? Sometimes you even wonder if certain people here are truly Ferrari fans the way they talk down the car. Marchionne did a really good job rebuilding why won’t people acknowledge the fruits of his labour. This constant barrage of negative posts talking down the car is becoming tedious when it is universally accepted that finally Ferrari have overhauled Mercedes.

I couldn't agree more! Your being kind saying certain people rather than most fans here . I believe it's because they are driver; WDC fans; and not WCC fans. Talking down the car gives these driver1st fans an excuse when their driver doesn't get pole or win or even see the podium. Esp. when it's their hero's error. Yes Ferrari finally has overhauled as you say, Merc, now we need the driver to put the car on pole and finish 1st!! For me either driver will do, WCC is where it's at.

No if you put fandom aside a bit and be honest it’s pretty hard to categorically claim that Vettel has put in the best performance so far this season in the best car. Leclerc and Alonso for example have been phenomenal. All opinions are valid, but not equally so.

Such a dominant car? Where? Did I miss the whole season? We are on par with Mercedes and have been all year. One or the other have been in front and maybe we are now, but it is far from domination. Maybe I need to remind you of what a dominant car does... Last example is Mercedes 2016, winning 19 of 21 races. In the 2 lost races, they crashed being 1st and 2nd(Spain), and in the other a crash for one driver, and car failure for the other while leading the race(Malayasian GP). That is domination, my friend...

100%

hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

VER and Sainz was almost equal and now Hulk is far ahead Sainz, and RIC and VER is like equal.

I hope Hulk can beat him or be almost equal, i really like Hulk

hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)

hehe crossing my fingers hulk beats him, that will help give everyone the better picture of how consistent and talented he is, would love it too if Sainz or Gastly beats Max too lol

hockenheim 2018 / China 2018 : Never forget how quick Ferrari can lose it all, be humble.
Positivity doesn't win you championships, whining about people being negative makes you blind!
lol ignore the bitter old cows ;-)