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re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

We're still having these debates? It's not 2005 anymore.

On a similar note, I don't know if you guys have been following the Mali incursions but it's quite clear that all this talk of "Islamism" is a great way to filter the advancement of imperial interests through the media into a legitimate pill that the public can easily digest.

Resistance movement fighting against the government affecting your natural resources? Call them Al Qa'ida and say you're going there to fight "the Islamist threat". Make some vague fearmongering point about how they could use that country as a "jumping off point" to target "the West" and voila, instant support.

Nah dude although I'm not on the muslim hatin bandwagon.

These guys in Mali are pretty bad guys and we gotta stop em... well we'll let the French stop em.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

We're still having these debates? It's not 2005 anymore.

History ended in 2005?

On a similar note, I don't know if you guys have been following the Mali incursions but it's quite clear that all this talk of "Islamism" is a great way to filter the advancement of imperial interests through the media into a legitimate pill that the public can easily digest.

It's quite clear? Others closer to the action have quite a different view.

Resistance movement fighting against the government affecting your natural resources? Call them Al Qa'ida and say you're going there to fight "the Islamist threat". Make some vague fearmongering point about how they could use that country as a "jumping off point" to target "the West" and voila, instant support.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Grant

Right. It's all about oil, again.

"In the long term, France has interests in securing resources in the Sahel - particularly oil and uranium, which the French energy company Areva has been extracting for decades in neighboring Niger," said Sold.

It's quite obvious why France is involved in Mali. I don't see how you could dispute this.

"I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique

"In the long term, France has interests in securing resources in the Sahel - particularly oil and uranium, which the French energy company Areva has been extracting for decades in neighboring Niger," said Sold.

It's quite obvious why France is involved in Mali. I don't see how you could dispute this.

Did you read your own link?

But sending troops to Mali represents a tightrope walk for France. The country may be out to defend its political and security interests, but there's a danger of seeming neo-colonialist. However, France is sticking to the demands of a UN mandate passed in December 2012.

"There is a defense agreement between France and Mali that was written for exactly such cases," stressed Alexander Stroh, a researcher at the German Institute of Global and Area Studies.

As such, France could be said to be simply fulfilling its obligations to Mali's government by preventing the rebel groups from marching on the capital.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Jetboogieman

Over the years this has been the crux.

Guys like Marsden and Grant won't openly say it but it's pretty obvious they have an intense dislike for muslims, they say things that pretty much spell out that they believe that even if most muslims aren't actively violent, most of them passively support the violence.

When you confront them on this though they will deny it.

So they think there's a muslim problem...

Then you ask "What's your solution"

and they freeze up.

Never... not once... even from the hardest of the hardcore muslim haters that used to be at DP NEVER have they answered that question...

Have you ever had a teacher, coach, supervisor or family member who was stern but fair?

I have no dislike of individuals Muslims who wish me no harm and who aren't bigots against Jews. But when I think of how friendly Ziad Jarrah appeared in those snapshots at the Florida flight school with his infidel classmates and instructors I'm reminded how easily we can all be fooled.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Meanwhile, as the haters keep on hating, and the reasonable keep pointing it out, the Algerian government has gone in with tanks in a frontal assault. Early news suggests most of the local workers escaped, but few of the foreign workers have been so lucky. One Irish guy has phoned his family, but no news of anyone else so far.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Manc Skipper

Meanwhile, as the haters keep on hating, and the reasonable keep pointing it out, the Algerian government has gone in with tanks in a frontal assault. Early news suggests most of the local workers escaped, but few of the foreign workers have been so lucky. One Irish guy has phoned his family, but no news of anyone else so far.

What I'm seeing on BBC World News suggests that the Algerians did not inform any western nations with hostages about the assault and that it may have caused more casualties.

Numbers may take time to reach London and other nations because they have not found all the hostages yet who may have hidden themselves or may still be held by terrorists as it is a large compound.

re: Dozens held after Islamists attack Algerian gas field!!!![W:280]

Originally Posted by Grant

Did you read your own link?

Of course it "could be said". It could also be said that World War 1 was simply the result of nations fulfilling their treaty obligations.

"I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."