Its not me who introduced this quote "See Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Da‘ifah by al-Albani, no. 1935.", but it was done by abuayisha in her earlier posting, however, I see my mistake by not putting her comments in quotes in my own reply. Also we, or atleast I, would like to know more about true sunnah of our Prophet on the topic rather than knowing the "Big people's names" of some madhib or behind any website. All your quotes on the topic has done is to provide the final verdict, but not the evidence on which they based their view. Cheers!

brother Rami I have PM'ed you on this issue the obscene articles posted
by Ameena99999 describe forms of mutilation that are HARAM in all
madhabs these articles have been deleted from every other Islamic forum
they have been posted on in the past so I suggest you do the same
inshaAllah

After discussing the issue with the head moderator we have decided the
original post and those following will be removed and any further posts
of such nature will be dealt with in a similar manner.

I feel the posts are inapropriate and plainly wrong in there approach
towards further understanding the issue. I have taken into account the
pm sister Sophie sent me but it was not entirely the basis for my
decision.

I have decided to keep the posts relating to fiqh since this is a valid Islamic discussion.

Edited by rami

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

chastebeauty
>>>You
could have proves allowing circumcision from the madhhabs which I am
just hearing for the first time yet confusing and contradicting.<<<

If you mean by contradicting that the madhhab has more than one
rulling, in a madhhab there can be more than one position held by
different scholars in the madhhab usually these are labeled as the
major and minor positions of the madhhab meaning the majority of say
the shafii madhhab agree on such and such a ruling, so this would be
regarded as the stronger position while the other is the weaker. It is
permisable to follow either the major or minor position 's but it is
more recomended to follow the major, everything is by intention.

>>>So probably you could enlighten me more on what bida'a is in a way other than mine.<<<

you may like to read the following article,
The Sunni Definition of Bid`a, By Dr G.F Hadadhttp://www.livingislam.org/n/sdb_e.html

>>>There fore they should please provide a prove where he practiced circumcision on his daughters and wives...that
would really help me understand better and of course change my view,
but if it’s just a culture accepted by the madhhab point of view, then
Alhamdulillah I am out.<<<
Personaly i dont know much on this rulling except for what i posted, i
dont know what the key proofs are since Reliance of the traveller is a
book of ruilings in the shafii madhhab it does not discuss the key
proofs, the author in the book said he will translate the key proofs at
a latter date in a sister work titled "The Guidance of the Traveller"
they are there in arabic but not translated as of yet. If you read my
post from sunni path again more carefully you will see that the shaffi
positions is that it is approved act but since the art has died out it
is no longer practiced.

Please read what i posted again more carfully they do not contradict but complament and further explain each other.

Ahmad
>>>Its not me who introduced this quote "See Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Da‘ifah by al-Albani, no. 1935.", but it was done by abuayisha in her earlier posting<<<

I am sorry for the mistake i didnt notice.

Everyone please use quotation marks when posting it would save a lot of confusion.

>>>rather than knowing the "Big people's names" of some madhib or behind any website.<<<

for that you will have to see a scholar who is familiar with the
rullings of the shafii madhhab, i am not. The rulling i gave was not
simply from a website of some madhhab it was from reliance of the
traveler a book about the rullings of Imam An Nawawi A mujtahid Imam in
the shafii Madhhab, i dont understand what you will do once you see
what the proofs are you are not in a position to analise the rulings of
a mujtahid to know how he arrived at his position.

Sophie

>>>
brother Rami I have PM'ed you on this issue the obscene articles posted
by Ameena99999 describe forms of mutilation that are HARAM in all
madhabs these articles have been deleted from every other Islamic forum
they have been posted on in the past so I suggest you do the same
inshaAllah<<<

What i posted was in relation to female circumcision not mutalation, we
have to make that point clear. Mutalation is haram without question but
curcumcision is not.

Just a note for everyone asking to see proofs that rasull allah (sallah
llahu alaihi wa sallam) practiced this act we need to understand how
islamic rulings are arrived at, The quran and the sunnah are our
primary sources but so are the companions of the prophet and the
actions of the tabe'een.

Generaly speaking we need to learn about Usul al Fiqh "the methodolgy
of how our scholars arive at rullings in islam". I am not a scholar and
have a very basic understanding of the matter but i think some
knowledge is required it is not as simple as finding a hadith wich
clearly says dont do such and such, that is over simplistic.

Insh allah if people have the time please read

USUL AL FIQH AL ISLAMI; SOURCE METHODOLOGY IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/alalwani_usulalfiqh/

Imam Al Shafii played a Key role in developing this science.

There is a reason why our scholars are respected, they are smarter than
we are, allah in the quran says "are those who know equal with those
who dont?" he himself streses a difference between those who know and
those who dont.

Fezzwig
>>>>Seems to me that if god wanted your body to be thus-and-so he would have made it thus-and-so.<<<<

by that reasoning stop cutting your hair.

Edited by rami

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

"i dont understand what you will do once you see what the proofs are you are not in a position to analise the rulings of a mujtahid to know how he arrived at his position. "

Dear Bro Rami,

Without going into the details of the issue, I do admit that I am the most ignorant person in Islam. I also admit that I have very little, rather no knowledge of Islam at all. However, I also believe, that God has given me a mind to think and ponder over His creation. To use this mind to understand Islam through my awken consciousness and not through blind faith. Just as an example, all prayers are required to be offered with full consciousness. It is for this reason, of awken consciousness, that all alcohlic beaverages were initially made unlawfull before going for rituals of prayers. Man should know what he is praying for, with all his mental faculties open and fully devoted to the rememberance of Allah. Would you still suggest me not to wish for the evidence as to how our great ulema reached at a particular conclusion? Besides, there is a difference of opinon among themselves, based upon various factors, that depends upon someone's understanding through one particular angle, or it could be ignorance on the part of a particular Alim concernign a key evidence "a parituclar hadiths" that might not be available to that Alim before making his opinion. It is in this sense, that even these scholars of famous madhibs themselves had asked their people to throw away their opinion, if a new evidence "a sahih hadith" that contradicts their opinion is found. We also know that not all madhib were developed simultaneously; but evolved in time through the science of critical logic (Mantik) where the student had the liberty of contrasting his teacher, if he had better logical arguments consistent with the evidence from Quran and Sunnah. Hopefully, thirst of looking at the basic evidence would not be discouraged, but encouraged in this forum.

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