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Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami

By yachiru I thought you meant the little girl unohana would destroy renji no Dout....

Renji begged him to take the 5th spot so what renji went threw urahara special training an learned bankai in no time by change I did not mean it was broken but you kno what I meant, ikkaku bankai was always weak an his shikai is a huge let down lol renji is just stronger..renji sucks at kido what where you get that from anyway ikkaku also sucks at kido so what you trying to say?

Weather or not yumichka has bankai matters a lot, yea he one shotted hisagi but that's hisagi we are talking bout renji some one with a bankai yumichka has no chance he took that squad zero guy punch like it was nothing..hisagi like I said I don't kno he Probly has bankai right now but if not he will lose.

Actually the punch did hurt him, his fist were shaking to show this also Kirinji held back in his punch.

“Foolishness is more thanbeing stupid, that deadlycombination of arrogance andignorance.”

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by N1nken

I did mean the little girl. Yachiru Kusajishi. My point was that hype means everything to Kubo. If he hypes up a character, more than likely, they WILL be strong. The only exception to that was Ginjo, but that whole arc was just to show Ichigo off. Don't be fooled by her appearance.

I'm saying if anything, they're equal. Renji's too eager to pull out his Bankai, and Ikkaku is too hesitant. They're two sides of the same coin. Either way, Renji is vastly overrated. Ikkaku would've been a captain already if he wasn't stubbornly serving under Kenpachi until he died. Also, during his fight with Szayel, Renji admitted that he sucked at kido. Because he's in the 11th Division, Ikkaku's essentially taught not to use kido. Renji's just plain bad at it.

Bankai just means more reiatsu for Ruri'ro Kujaku to consume. Renji is lieutenant level, Yumichika is 3rd seat level. He's not that far behind. I'm not saying Renji hasn't improved, but after his transfer from the 5th Division, he was the 6th seat of the 11th while Yumichika was 5th, and only got transfered as Byakuya's lieutenant because his last lieutenant, Ginjiro Shirogane, was retiring to open up the Glasses Shop. Not to mention the fact that this happened I believe only a couple of weeks before Rukia was sent to the Human World, so he JUST became a lieutenant right before the series started.

Then why In ur last post did you say unohana was a unknow everybody knos she would beat renji..anyway what hype does yachiru have Mabey I missed something.

Renji will pull out his bankai when ever ikkaku on the other hand won't because he's in squad 11..how is renji overrated? Yea ikkaku would have been a very weak captian compared to all the others once you get bankai you ate considered captian level simple as that..yea they are both bad at kido so why even bring that up ikkaku would need more than renji if they wer to fight..

you think renji will get caught in that silly move good luck trying to catch him in that ruri'ro kujaku renji is to long range for that his baboon cannon thing will keep yumichka away he's just not on renji level he needs to show more, an we also seen renji physical power he's no joke.

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by N1nken

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Renji has surpassed Ikaku, why is that so hard for you to understand? At one point, yes Ikaku was stronger, the first arc already showed that Renji's shikia was stronger than ikaku's... and by watching them fight other opponents it's vicious that Renji's bankai is stronger...don't be a fanboy man!!... And Kubo stated that Yumichika and Ikaku are the same strength so, that is that...and you cannot definitely say how strong Yachiru is cos we've only ever seen her hang onto Kenpachi's back.

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Renji vs. Ikkaku argument is irrelevant. The two will never fight, it is impossible to accurately compare their strengths.

Isshin's full power is unknown. I'm assuming his bankai is similar to Ichigo's, since he knows about the final Getsuga Tensho. Therefore, I'm going to place an estimate that he has a similar strength to Ichigo, maybe being a bit lower, due to Ichigo's mixed heritage. (Having quincy and Soul Reaper blood, I'm guessing, helps him have a higher reitatsu. But that's just a guess.)

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami

It barely hurt him..he was holding back give me proof yea u can't but I to believe he was holding back as well a little bit.

So your saying 0 division < Renji...lol get outta here he's not exactly going to use full strength is he and it barely hurt him you say people don't shake also I didn't realize you could tell how much it hurt him when it doesn't show anything other than his hand shaking which indicates he's in pain.

“Foolishness is more thanbeing stupid, that deadlycombination of arrogance andignorance.”

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by TheHokage

So your saying 0 division < Renji...lol get outta here he's not exactly going to use full strength is he and it barely hurt him you say people don't shake also I didn't realize you could tell how much it hurt him when it doesn't show anything other than his hand shaking which indicates he's in pain.

Well of Course renji is not stronger than him renji is just tough being healed by that blood pool thing Probly did something to him...an his hands shaking meant that he was hurt for that second he was hit it hurt but not that much.

“Foolishness is more thanbeing stupid, that deadlycombination of arrogance andignorance.”

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by Roju

My point exactly it's called looking at the whole picture and for the assclown who said kensei is week choke on your keyboard he is stronger than Mayuri and toshiro.

Kensei just lose every fight mayuri would beat his ass..toshiro Probly would to kensei can't beat the strongest ice zanpacto..kensei is a joke that's why we never really see him fight...an to end this renji is stronger than thoes three its just how the show turned out don't be mad.

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

kenpachi's equal obviously. and for the record i am stating it again isshin is the retired 3rd squad captain before rojuro.

It's impossible for Isshin to have been the predecessor of Rose.

Shinji is just as old as Rose and from the way he talked in the 'Turn Back the Pendulum' Arc he was a Captain before Rose was. Despite this, when Isshin confronted Grand Fisher Shinji explicitly said he didn't recognize Isshin's reiatsu. If Isshin was around before Rose then Shinji should have known it was Isshin back then.

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by kotoamatsukami

Kensei just lose every fight mayuri would beat his ass..toshiro Probly would to kensei can't beat the strongest ice zanpacto..kensei is a joke that's why we never really see him fight...an to end this renji is stronger than thoes three its just how the show turned out don't be mad.

Woah woah there, hold up. Hollowified kensei is a beast, and he's obviously strong enough or he couldn't have been captain of the 9th division. Mayuri could outsmart him but he may not have the mobility to dodge kensei's attacks as he is rather slow (note this is coming from someone who's fav character is mayuri) and if he takes a hit from kensei it could be damaging.

As for toshiro, nah, i'll give you that, Kensei would lose, shiro's got too many powerful moves and he's only gonna get better.
I'm not gonna estimate Renji's power levels until he leaves the zero division quarters and starts fighting again. As far as i'm concerned, Renji is low/mid captain class atm. Whatever he turns out to be is yet to be seen.

But come on, overall, Kensei's not exactly weak, and he's not a joke. In fact, none of the captain class Vaizards are.

“Foolishness is more thanbeing stupid, that deadlycombination of arrogance andignorance.”

Re: How strong is Isshi Kurosaki ?

Originally Posted by jsrhoden

Woah woah there, hold up. Hollowified kensei is a beast, and he's obviously strong enough or he couldn't have been captain of the 9th division. Mayuri could outsmart him but he may not have the mobility to dodge kensei's attacks as he is rather slow (note this is coming from someone who's fav character is mayuri) and if he takes a hit from kensei it could be damaging.

As for toshiro, nah, i'll give you that, Kensei would lose, shiro's got too many powerful moves and he's only gonna get better.
I'm not gonna estimate Renji's power levels until he leaves the zero division quarters and starts fighting again. As far as i'm concerned, Renji is low/mid captain class atm. Whatever he turns out to be is yet to be seen.

But come on, overall, Kensei's not exactly weak, and he's not a joke. In fact, none of the captain class Vaizards are.

Yea kensei is strong but he won't beat mayuri he will fall to poison befor he knos it plus mayuri knos about everybody bankai an Probly has a counter for it some how in some way..

From renji eating that food it kinda looks like he already gotten stronger.