I believe Kimster and his buddies were having some good time in London (?). One of the strip...uh, waitresses claimed KR took out his willie. Others, including owners of that club, denied this never happened. Considering that lady was defitenitely paid for the story, I wouldn´t simply take her word for it.

DC had a crash a couple of years ago in Monaco. He supposedly had 8 girls riding in his car and lost control when a girl decided to sit on his lap while he was driving. The antics of James Hunt are legendary. There's an anecdote in one of Rainier Schlegelmilch's about Ronnie Peterson, an air stewardess and a garden hose. Nelson Piquet (Sr.) saw multiple women at the same time: he had four kids from three women.

Enzo Ferrari's son Piero was the result of a long-term affair with his secretary, Lina Lardi. Stirling Moss was a reknown skirt chaser. Mike Hawthorn had an illegitimate daughter.

DC had a crash a couple of years ago in Monaco. He supposedly had 8 girls riding in his car and lost control when a girl decided to sit on his lap while he was driving. The antics of James Hunt are legendary. There's an anecdote in one of Rainier Schlegelmilch's about Ronnie Peterson, an air stewardess and a garden hose. Nelson Piquet (Sr.) saw multiple women at the same time: he had four kids from three women.

Enzo Ferrari's son Piero was the result of a long-term affair with his secretary, Lina Lardi. Stirling Moss was a reknown skirt chaser. Mike Hawthorn had an illegitimate daughter.

If Spankgate had involved a driver, people would have laughed it off.

And then there's Alain Prost, caught shagging the wife of his team boss - by that same team boss (Zandvoort 1983).Didn't really hurt his career either.

DC had a crash a couple of years ago in Monaco. He supposedly had 8 girls riding in his car and lost control when a girl decided to sit on his lap while he was driving. The antics of James Hunt are legendary. There's an anecdote in one of Rainier Schlegelmilch's about Ronnie Peterson, an air stewardess and a garden hose. Nelson Piquet (Sr.) saw multiple women at the same time: he had four kids from three women.

Enzo Ferrari's son Piero was the result of a long-term affair with his secretary, Lina Lardi. Stirling Moss was a reknown skirt chaser. Mike Hawthorn had an illegitimate daughter.

If Spankgate had involved a driver, people would have laughed it off.

It's been a common excuse for Max that what he was doing was just "sex". It wasn't. It was degradation, humiliation, pain, dominance, subjugation, relationships based on the abuse of power. And the taking of pleasure in those.

Originally posted by undersquare It's been a common excuse for Max that what he was doing was just "sex". It wasn't. It was degradation, humiliation, pain, dominance, subjugation, relationships based on the abuse of power. And the taking of pleasure in those.

Prost was just lucky that Watson didn't sign the contract he was initially offered. Being sacked by Renault, with no immediate recourse at Mclaren, could've been an absolute disaster in career terms.

In that case I think he could get any other team, Williams, Lotus, Ferrari, you name it. And would have landed at the right seat at the right time eventually. It almost always works that way with the really greats.

Sheckter actually got hauled into court over it, which is a problem. He was also driving for Jaguar which was more than a little image conscious. They had sponsors like HSBC at the time. In some ways more corporate than McLaren. I also get the impression they weren't that keen to keep him.

Originally posted by Flex So, what exactly is solicitation? Is that picking up a girl off the street that you have to pay for?

It depends where you live.

In the US solicitation is an offence where by you offer money with the sole intent of inducing another to commit a crime.

In the UK soliciting refers to loitering or soliciting services in a public place for the purpose of prostitution. It is not necessary that the person actually commit the crime, nor is it necessary that the person solicited be willing or able to commit the crime. A prostitute for example can be charged with soliciting if she is found to be in a public place where it it commonly known prostitutes offer their services, without actually having offered her services to anyone. The onus is then on her to prove she wasn't working.

Kerb crawling is the act of driving very slowly along a roadside with the intent to solicit street prostitutes for sex.

Originally posted by Cosworth-Daz Well i know we have had enough topics about mosley etc,

But What if it was a formula 1 driver who had been caught up in such a thing(spankgate),What do you think would happen? would his team drop him?Would he be punished by the FIA??

what would happen in gereral???

F1 drivers do not represent the whole sport, so I don't think the FIA would have anything to do with it. It would be up to his team and sponsors if they can accept such behaviour or not and drop him.

But I think he would have to be a very good driver not to be dropped by his team. F1 sponsors today are not amused by deviant behaviour. Wasn't Tomas Enge's F1 career over before it started because of his drug scandal? I don't think he was banned from F1 after that, but nobody wanted to touch him in F1 any more.

No point in discussion past indiscretions by our sporting heroes because none of them, not even inflatable dolphin shagging, compare with this.

1. Married with kids, so it was adulterous and embarrassing for them.
2. Prostitution. Not just one or two, but five.
3. Spanking. Until the skin breaks. Ouch.
4. German military uniforms/Nazi theme (I'm not going to debate this point)
5. Prison theme.
6. A nice cup of Earl Grey.

In todays image conscious world of F1 I really cannot see how a driver would survive this scandal. The team (even Red Bull) would most likely shit itself, the sponsors would be on the phone, and there would be variously more or less press coverage depending on whether it was Fernando Alonso or Vitantonio Liuzzi, etc.

The driver would not have been allowed into Bahrain, and would probably choose to drop out of a few races until things died down so he would become useless to the team anyway. There's just too much fallout.

Originally posted by se7en_24 Pretty much anyone in a 'high profile' position in F1 would be gone by now be it driver, team owner or commentator.

I don't think so. FIA official yes, commentator yes, team owner or a good driver no. The way I see it this crap only affects those whose value is mainly either political or financial. A team owner or a good driver would get financially hurt, but not fired because they add value that is not easily replaced nor is their job performance dependant on reputation, unlike a politician (FIA) or a salesman (commentator). A pay driver would be fired.

In truth it shouldn't matter in anyone's case. What we are witnessing is the stupidity and emphasis on image over substance that plagues the anglo-saxon culture and is spread over the whole world due to the dominance of the anglo-saxon media.

Originally posted by Josta Somehow, I don't see an F1 driver needing to pay hookers to do whatever he wants them to. Any F1 driver can have their pick of girls. Even the really ugly ones.

Not that I've ever been to one but....not everybody pays a hooker because they cannot pull themselves. Plenty of high profile footballers been caught with hookers. Perhaps it is because, although you are constantly in demand, if your particular fetish for being whipped/ shat on or whatever is a bit weird or nasty, you might still have an unsatisfied lust that most of the girls who throw themselves at you would be unwilling to perform...or be even more likely to go to the papers with.

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld Sheckter actually got hauled into court over it, which is a problem. He was also driving for Jaguar which was more than a little image conscious. They had sponsors like HSBC at the time. In some ways more corporate than McLaren. I also get the impression they weren't that keen to keep him.

It's possibly the last bit that is the key. Had Michael Schumacher been caught in this sort of think I don't reckon Ferrari would have sacked him, but if it was a test driver who wasn't really rated as a prospect anyway - say de la Rosa at McLaren then I reckon bye-bye.

In Scheckter's case, wasn't it also a company car which gave Jaguar another get out - misuse of company property or something?

Originally posted by Buttoneer No point in discussion past indiscretions by our sporting heroes because none of them, not even inflatable dolphin shagging, compare with this.

1. Married with kids, so it was adulterous and embarrassing for them.2. Prostitution. Not just one or two, but five.3. Spanking. Until the skin breaks. Ouch.4. German military uniforms/Nazi theme (I'm not going to debate this point)5. Prison theme.6. A nice cup of Earl Grey.

In todays image conscious world of F1 I really cannot see how a driver would survive this scandal. The team (even Red Bull) would most likely shit itself, the sponsors would be on the phone, and there would be variously more or less press coverage depending on whether it was Fernando Alonso or Vitantonio Liuzzi, etc.

The driver would not have been allowed into Bahrain, and would probably choose to drop out of a few races until things died down so he would become useless to the team anyway. There's just too much fallout.

All IMHO, of course.

But would the Nazi part stick to a driver in the same way?

I just can't see that it would really. None of the (current) drivers really have any dubious connections, and making the connection would be tenuous at best.

In truth it shouldn't matter in anyone's case. What we are witnessing is the stupidity and emphasis on image over substance that plagues the anglo-saxon culture and is spread over the whole world due to the dominance of the anglo-saxon media.

Ah but this scandal isn't just image to most people, it IS substance. The measure of a man is supposed to be his actions across his entire life not just at the office.

If Anglo Saxon culture means an aversion to sicko depraved sex like this little dungeon scene then great. I'll stand up for Anglo Saxon. Of course the media are only interested in a buck but that doesn't automatically make the scandal invalid.

Anglo Saxon media domination - pleeease! People can think for themselves some of the time at least and they don't like what they have seen.

I just can't see that it would really. None of the (current) drivers really have any dubious connections, and making the connection would be tenuous at best.

I think probably the other parts would be problem enough, but it is a judgement call, I agree. The adultery, prostitution, cup of tea. Any one of those could get you into trouble but together would create difficult sponsorship issues (IMO).

One example - Hamleys sponsorship for Williams? Santander, RBS or ING? I think all would be quite sex-scandal-phobic.

Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld Sheckter actually got hauled into court over it, which is a problem. He was also driving for Jaguar which was more than a little image conscious. They had sponsors like HSBC at the time. In some ways more corporate than McLaren. I also get the impression they weren't that keen to keep him.

I think the FIA too needs to be sponsored in the future by huge multinational corporations.... that will at least keep the office clean.