08 September 2009 4:05 PM

Putting Nick Griffin on Question Time

I suppose it had to come. I believe the BBC have been worrying about this for ages. But since they must base their idea of what is legitimate on the party voting strengths, and it is hard to see how they could avoid this, they really do not have all that much choice about giving Mr Griffin a seat on the Question Time panel.

This need not be a disaster, especially if it is preceded by proper TV and radio grillings of Mr Griffin, by interviewers who have briefed themselves properly about his past, not least his remarks about the Holocaust. I am travelling at present and need to be brief, but I'd like to make a couple of points. First, I suspect Mr Griffin would relish being on a panel with the usual bland robotic party spokesmen and women, who would make his point that the establishment is dominated by elite liberals with no idea of what the world is like. He would have a much harder time against outsider Labour and Tory MPs, ones who have been prepared to speak against multiculturalism and uncontrolled immigration, and, for instance, Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch, who has for years made an entirely respectable and untainted case for migration control.

I also think his appearance with David Duke, and the words he used there, should be calmly and firmly put to him - the event is available on YouTube, and he should not be allowed to avoid explaining what he meant. That done, I suggest that he should be put on the spot on all the policy areas on which he has little to say, or his policies are mere slogans.

Again, the difficulty here for the BBC is that it is peopled by staff who think the case against Mr Griffin is already obvious and does not need to be made. They have very few interviewers and presenters who recognise that the failure of the establishment to speak or think about immigration, culture and disorder leaves space in which such people can operate.

One other thing. I suspect the current efforts to force the BNP to admit people whose ethnic origins it doesn't like are misguided. The BNP's openly bigoted constitution is the best evidence that we have of its true nature. Forcing it to change its membership rules will not make it into a multi-ethnic party, nor alter what is in the hearts of its leaders, but will make it harder to attack.

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Why do you people Pratt on about the BNP racism Fascism. when you ignore the real criminals the real injustice in our country! the massacre of the Serbs,2000 i think and they where only fighting for there country against Islamic fanatics worse is to come there! then the illegal invasion of Iraq by the lib/lab.con 80.000 innocent men women children butchered by them plus they hung the duly elected leader.then the thousands in afghanistan with hundreds of our soldiers killed maimed wounded. all for nothing .yet you bleat about the BNP spouting lies deceit. At last people can see the truth We have the rite to listen and make a choice my choice is for the BNP get rid of the thieving murdering lib/lab/con

I want Britain to feel like Britain - not Poland or India. That does not mean I'm racist, but it means I want a Britain where the language spoken is English, the welfare state is for its own citizens (black or white) and the customs reflect British traditions.

Mr Nick Griffin was unprepared for questions he knew he would have to face on Question Time. Mr Nick Griffin came out looking stupid, out of touch with reality, contradictory with his responses and very narrow minded. No amount of editing could have changed that. What a very sad man indeed.

Whilst I abhor the BNP.s policies, questiontime last evening was a blatent stichup.Dimbleby is supposed to be an unbiased mediator, not an active participant in debate.And I suspect tne audience was pretty carefully selected. I wonder what the programme would be like if it had come from some other part of the UK. I reiterate I find the BNP repulsive but fair is fair.

Karl Elliott:
I feel for you ! Again the Home Office are too blind to see what goes on as its not on thier doorstep.
Dont ever think that these immigrants get in 'through the back door'. They are being let in through the front door, given vast amounts of money and put in rural areas and seaside towns to keep them out of 'beautiful London'.
Do not live in fear. Report whats going on, to your local BNP representive. The Police have thier hands tied due to the Political straight-jacket that has been fitted on them.

The main political parties in this country have only themselvs to blame for the rise of the bnp. This country lets just about anybody in, supports them with tax payers money when we can't even afford to look after our own old age pensioners or provide proper equipment for our brave troops, black and white, who risk their lives each day in the middle east. Why is it a woman can be allowed to walk down the street wearing a full burka then another can risk the sack for wearing a crusifix to work.
The people who are keeping this country afloat are being marginalised and are being pushed toward right wing parties such as the bnp the fact that the bbc have invited them on question is partly because there are now a growing number of people in the uk who have had enough of paying for any tom dick or harry to come here at the cost of hard working decent people.
I am not a nazi, gay hater, or anti semetic , I live near Gt yarmouth where on the sea front it has now become a dangerous place due to albinian and other eastern european immagrants hanging arround the streets begging and mugging and the police are powerless to do anything about it for fear of beimg brandid racists.

I think that last nights 'Question Time' was an absolute mouse of a programme. The show was edited, so that Nick Griffin came over as anything but 'positive'. The studio audience was hand-picked by the BBC. The audience were made up of Corner Shop owners, Tory Boys, would-be Labour candidates, students and Gay-right supporters.
Not once did any member of that audience ask Humne or Straw, 'how has it come to this ?'
Why was there an American play-write, who I may add, is now 'deputy of the British Museum' on the panel ? Go back to writing stage plays, my dear.
It was nothing more than a witch hunt againts Nick Griffin, until they shot themselves in the foot, over immigration, economy, the wars in the middle East and the nations identity.

The BBC should go back to what is was once very good at. Making TV Drama's and proper family entertaiment.
Nick Griffin has exposed our 'leaders' for what they really are. Let him speak

The immigration policies of the Wilson and Blair governments were equally disastrous. Don't forget that there WERE other places for the Ugandan Asians to go in 1970. Blair's policies were even worse, being incompetent and then worse in trying to justify the incompetence. In both instances, there was a repression of dissenters. Enoch Powell was branded an extremist, and now, worse still, the white majority in this country, whose families have lived here for centuries, are being repressed through not being allowed to express their opinions. In the name of political correctness, dishonesty is the order of the day. Nick Griffin is being demonised by the media, whose dishonesty is far worse than any racism.
And now, finally, the government has admitted immigrants into this country who are intent on one thing: blowing us all up.
None of this touches on the wider problems of the threats to our heritage, of cultural annihilation and of compromised communication.
I am delighted Nick Griffin is on Question Time. I would vote him in as Prime Minister tomorrow.

I despair of all three major parties, however the BNP offers some hope. In the belief that "cometh the hour, cometh the man," may I wish Nick Griffen a highly successful 'Question Time' and a much greater prominence in British politics in the future.

Although I do not agree with the policies and views of the BNP. I do believe Mr Griffin should be allowed on QT.
On reading through some of these comments it seems to be of the more intellectual type of people who have read through the BNP's manifesto and so on. Which may I add, although good, are in fact a minority in their own right.
The 2 seats that the BNP won for Euro Parliament were towns in the country where people are not what would be so called as the middle or upper class states, but in fact the working (or not working) class which is the country's majority.
Even though people were using the vote as a protest i believe the issue of immigration that the BNP (or the media) kept banging on about is quite an important one and something that the 2 main parties need to start to take seriously.
If they do I believe the BNP's presence in our lives like it is currently will dissipate. Now, for the general public to understand who and what the BNP are about, the BBC need to allow Mr Griffin on to show his true colours.
Although it will not as mentioned before in early comments, be a fair (trial) it will however, allow people to make up their own mind and discover that the BNP are not and never will be a democratic and serious party.
I for one am part of the working class majority and I WANT to hear what this gentleman has to say so I can understand further where he stands as a man, a human being and a British citizen.
I personally do not want media propaganda always clouding or determining my point of views. A typical example of this is the issues with Zimbabwe (to be kept for another time).
So in conclusion Mr Griffin = QT = allowing people the right to listen and make up their own minds = Democratic Britain = Good for the country in the long run.

Chris peterson is talking nonsense or lying regarding the Bnp dealing with "chavs" like those who drove a mother to kill her disabled child and herself. The Bnp are the type of chavs who behave in this way in the first place. I think they should be allowed freedom of speech on jeremy kyle. Question time is looking for freak show viewers if they put them on.

I've studied the BNP and David Duke websites and can find no references to white supremacism or threats of violence against non-whites. I would describe them as "white survivalists". Their concern seems to be that our culture will be swamped by the billions of ethnic people in the world and victimised by the higher crime rates associated with them. This certainly seems to be happening here and in the US so why shouldn't we have our own advocates just as ethnic minorities do in abundance? David Duke does have a lot of comments about Jewish influence in America but nothing I can see that advocates violence.

In answer to the Question on BNP economic policy I would hope they would say we will begin coining our own money rather than borrowing it at interest from international bankers, thereby eliminating the need to pay income tax to pay these 'loans' back.

In response to David Reeves. Yes the question should be asked why they only allow white people in the BNP. But the question then has to be answered why white people are excluded from lots of other things. The discussion must be open and fair on both sides or it is only going to make matters worse. And as a PS to my last message. Women stood up for "equal" rights. Not to be used as a bunch of mamby pambies for smug politicians and self congratulatory careerists.

The other problem we have of course is that QT and the like, are so tightly controlled that anybody with any sense will know that even if Griffin ends up on the panel, the likelihood of fair debate on either side is a/ fat or b/ slim. If it is stifled and manipulated people will be very annoyed again. Rightly so.

What we really need for the sake of peace is a balance - equality. This will never happen in a tick box culture like we have today. The diversity brigade have brought much of this about themselves. Whether you choose to admit it or not, labour has behaved like a fascist party against its voters. The tories are no better. It is a sad day for our country when decent people are feeling there is no option but look to 'all white' parties. However, many of those people have been excluded from their right to work, justice, funding - you name it , pushing them into serious positions of injustice. I know people who attended diversity training, some black and some white. They have all said they went on the courses as friends with no division and came out different colours. And the tax payers are funding this? It makes no sense. We are all people, stop the divide and rule. Give us equal laws, equal rights and a little respect. I have an arab friend who actually wants the bnp to get in because they see it as the easiest way of getting out of this ' god forsaken mess of a country'. Others are backing the BNP because they want to even the balance before its too late. As yet the BNP are some bums on seats, a voice to challenge what there is, whilst not in a position of leadership. Yup, even the immigrants are turning to the BNP because they see our leaders and quangos as a bunch of fascists. We are all humans. Please treat us as such! Don't think BNP support is all down to colour either. There are a whole host of issues going on here. It would be a mistake to think BNP has gained support from a bunch of hard done to numb skulls, or from whites only. Look also at the sexist push from right and left. Its false. As a woman I have approached the main parties for assistance after serious wrong doing whereby I was ruined by the legal system. There is no support for women who speak out, only those who speak in favour of the state. Harman, you should be ashamed of yourself. You will have us all grabbing our bras off the fire and chaining ourselves up for women to be extracted from power. This is not what women stood up for!!

If the BBC were to allow this odious Aryan fascist a seat on the question time panel, it would almost be a crime not to have the question asked of him "why does your party exclude membership of none white British citizens?"
The only reason that the BNP are recruiting members and voters, instead of being seen as the band of racist reactionary demagogues that they are, is because the so called serious political parties have bottled out of the debates on immigration, multiculturalism etc. And they are in agreement on the issue of the Iraq and Afghan wars. They've backed themselves into a corner by legislating political correctness, and so are afraid to debate these issues. The Tories have miserably failed as an opposition party by backing the government into Afghanistan and Iraq. If the political establishment had an injection of courage and would seriously debate these issues, then the BNP would quickly fade back into obscurity.

Whether or not you agree with the BNP , the media and politicians controlling one way debates like QT will only recruit support for the BNP. Following the filming of QT in Bournemouth numerous people went to look further into the BNP because fair debate was stifled and they were not able to hold Harriet Harman to account. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe she stated that it is immigrants who have made this country the Great Britain it is today? A/ It might be great for her kind but not for the majority of Brits or indeed many immigrants B/ Those who died and suffered in the name of our freedom should be furious about this invalid personal comment that belittles what brave people have done for us. Please check out her comments and if I am right demand a public apology in the name of our war vets and indeed the brave pensioners who are standing up for our rights and so called democracy today. Perhaps she is recruiting for the BNP under cover? If not , this should go down as one of the most stupid comments in political history.

The chance to save our country is fast running out. The old-gang paties have sold us all out. Only those who can afford to escape are happy with the mess they have allowed to happen.
Quick example, none other than trendy leftie and ageing singer Billy Bragg.
He detests the BNP, fair enough, but abandoned his 'beloved multi-cultural Barking' for a £million mansion in whitest Dorset a few years ago. When asked why his response was " I have my children to think of." Quite!

It is a long time since I sat in on a trendy Islington dinner party, Mr Peterson, but I do have vague connections to that part of London, having left in a hurry at the age of one when "German raindrops were falling on the roof''.

But as this particular debate is going nowhere, and I'm in danger of being accused by the more rational contributors to this site of prolonging the appearance of BNP posters, who, I must say, seldom have your level of perseverance (they do say there is nobody more entrenched than a recent convert to a cause), I shall leave this thread.

Norfolk Al: Ah, you're a BBC leftie after all! That explains a great deal. As for the 2.7% figure, it is patently false, like most of what the mainstream political-media tells us. Ministers have no idea how many illegals are in the country, and the majority of these illegals are Islamic.

And you accept that the BNP does not advocate an all-white Britain: good, hopefully you'll bring this important point up at your next trendy Islington dinner party.

Mark: thank you. I'd urdge you to support the BNP, at least until the collapse of the Tories and the creation of the Hitchensplan "proper conservative party", because none of the many problems I mentioned will be tackled under Lib/Lab/Con/Green, or the clowns at UKIP.

When did I say that, Mr Peterson? It might help the debate if you refrained from putting what ever thoughts I may have on the subject matter into your own words.

However, I can at least make a mental note that should your Leader again describe "Islam as a cancer that should be removed from Europe by chemotherapy", or any like phrase, that up to 1% of such believers can sleep in peace. Of course, if he takes us out of Europe, as promised, he might feel free to go the whole hog.

Mark: "Will the other organisations that you (and most people probably) dislike (eg Black Police officers Association) ever disband if they see white people doing the same? I think it will just create more and more divisions"

Well, I think that first and foremost it is a disgrace that non-white ethnic organisations, founded to speak for and support ethnic minorities at the expense of whites, are given government funding. If they want to have their own organisations, let them fund them, not white taxpayers. The BNP doesn't have any taxpayer funds, why should these other ethnic lobby groups?

As for divisions, history shows us that they are sadly inevitable between ethnic and religious groups forced to inhabit the same areas (Balkans, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Rwanda, East Timor, Norther Ireland, Basque country, etc, etc). We should work on reversing the dreadful effects of mass third world immigration, to ensure that mainland Britain remains peaceful and homogenous, as was the case for centuries before mass immigration.

"I wouldn't tar all ethnic minorities with the same brush- there are plenty who are not like that. For the most part the trouble is caused by white middle-class multiculturalists who are extremely keen to take offence on behalf of someone else."

True, white middle class Guardianista multi-culti types are a big part of the problem. But were it not for mass third world immigration, there would be no immigrants for them to coddle, grant preferences to, and change our country for. Frankly it's not surprising that the immigrants take advantage of said multiculturalists: they're laughing all the way to the bank with their council houses, benefits, free health care, public sector non-jobs, crimes and scams, etc. How much of that would they get back in Pakistan/Jamaica/Somalia? Not a lot.

As I said, the useful immigrants that you mention, who actually hold productive employment that adds value to the country, and don't have criminal records or suck up state resources, should stay. But unfortunately they're in the minority.

Norfolk Al - As I said, as long as the Muslim population of the UK remains below 1% of the total, it's not a problem. Hmm, doesn't quite fit in with your "they want an all-white Britain" diatribe, does it? Better start to go beyond the Guardian and actually put some thought into the issue.

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