They need to include instructions on that Kinky Curly Curling Custard KCCC on how to remove it from the hair.

I was in the shower with soaking wet hair and bucket loads of conditioner trying to detangle with just my fingers.

After about 1 hours I just turned the water off and stood in the mirror. The KCCC is more like glue than a gel. No wonder it's known to defrizz cause it glues your hair together. I only used my fingers to separate sections and finger from tip up to my roots.

I lost so much hair you would've thought I was doing a big chop BC!!

The bad part is KCCC is a great product. Makes the curls look phenomenal but the rinsing out is not what's up. They need to supply a removal product. My suggestion is wet the hair and put on a plastic cap for about 2 hours and let the product dissolve somehow.

## My first use of Giovanni is not spectacular. The conditioner smells like orange hand cleaner you find at an auto mechanic shop sink. The consistency is not as thick as I would have liked for that price. I think it has proteins because I it turns white like toothpaste after a while of detangling with a wide tooth comb.

## TRESemmé Naturals is THE BOMB =) I was completely satisfied with the product performance and the smell is unbelievable. If they wanted to charge $30 for that conditioner instead of $5 they would have every right and I'd gladly pay. I'm looking forward to my next cowash because that product made it an experience and not just a task. If you love extremely thick and creamy conditioner then look no further. You would think they were paying me to write this but I assure you of every word I said about this product.

I'm always buying new conditioners so I can't say I won't look beyond this one but I know I can always trust it especially since it is cone-free.

Now I just need to see if TRESemmé has a cone-free leave-in conditioner that's hydrating and smells just like the naturals conditioner.

2. I'm uncomfortable with having my hair come forward. I want to pull some hair into the front but I don't know it that would give me "man bangs" LOL The whole purpose in my hair experiment was to create hairstyles the guys can wear that are masculine and sexy at every length as it grows from bald head, medium, long, and ridiculously long.

3. I want to give up on all gels and holding products. I want the curls to be free flowing and soft to the touch especially since so many people ask to touch my hair. I want them to say that it is soft and not that it is crunchy.

4. How much shedding or breakage is normal? Does everyone experience some kind of breakage when detangling? Does anybody else get frustrated and even mad when they cowash and get hair in the comb or on the hands?

5. I didn't expect my hair to grow this fast so is it more effective to just condition as a separate process from showering?

6. Where can I find a good leave-in that's cone-free?? Do I have to go to specialty hair stores for this?

7. I have heard of the "a-cone" and I don't ever want to use that but why have some people decided that it was am OK CONE yet I get the vibe that they feel they compromised in choosing to use it in the first place.

Princeton,
You got to take it light on the curling custard. I will look for the youtube video on how much to apply, that is how I learned. A little goes a long way. I will post video as soon as I find.

Nice vid. I'll retry because it does make the curls look real good. I'm in that migration period of used to like crunchy but now loving super soft. I'll use a much smaller amount than what she used in the vid and this time make sure to rinse out and end of day.

Going cone-free requires finding a smooth way to detangle because the silicones that were present in the coney conditioners is no longer being used. The glycerin and silicone combo used to help detangle but now I find cone-free conditioners are not as slippery.

Today I found a method that works for me.

(1) Wet my hair completely and then I use my first conditioner (Giovanni) as my scalp agitator. This conditioner is great for this step because it offers light suds.

(2) Load my second conditioner (TRESemmé) onto the rest of my hair and gently massage as if shampooing.

(3) Put my head under the shower and then start to detangle with wide tooth comb. The rinse helps move the conditioner down the hair shaft and provides the slip needed for easy detangling.

(4) After detangled put conditioner back in and let sit in the hair while I shower my body. Rinse off my hair after I rinse off the body wash.

NO-COMBING is the secret of the naturally curly trade. I've noticed less topical frizz by eliminating detangling of my hair by comb. Use the ribboning effect I mention below to detangle while adding product.

Ive also implemented NO-SCRUNCH into my routine. I will only scrunch after my hair is completely dry and only on second or third day. Scrunching gives me results that I only want when trying to stretch a day between washes.

1) Never detangle in shower with comb or minimize down to once a month when using comb on wet conditioned hair. Curls like to be free to wrap around and cup adjacent curls. The constant detangling only reverses any work done to promote noticeably healthy curl patterns.

2) Never use any device, fabric, or cloth of any type to dry. Get up early enough to cowash hair so it can air dry in time.

I have a specific method for cowashing but that's for another day.

3) Style hair immediately after cowashing while its still dripping wet and continue to add a little water with hands between adding styling products. The products soak up the water and if you don't add more water then you will invite topical frizz. Also, adding water helps distribute the product.

4) 1st stying product to add is conditioner again. I prefer a deep moisturizing conditioner because I use protein conditioner as my cowash product and also because I add protein again later with gel. The protein rebuilds the hair and the moisture helps keep it from drying out. I also have another step for oiling scalp with coconut oil so the conditioners don't settle and dry on the scalp which can add to hair loss.

Begin to apply conditioner by puddling it in your hand and then reaching into the hair and grabbing hair at the curl bed (scalp). With a semi-tight hold start to coat the clumped hair with conditioner as you pull hand back out toward tip of hair strands. This can be done swiftly after you get the hang of it. Focus on sides and use extra product on back of head and even more on the hair region 3 inches above neck line.

5) The 2nd product is your curl enhancer. I'm currently digging the Kinky Curly Curling Custard KCCC so I add small amount similar to the previous step. This will coat the conditioner while sealing it into the hair. I don't scrunch! The tight pulling from root to tip will curl the hair similar to ribboning with ribbon and scissors.

6) Final product is protein gel. Protein gel is excellent for cone-free regiments. By going cone-free you allow the protein to penetrate instead of immediately caking up as white lumpy buildup that sits on top of the silicones. I apply the protein gel similar to the previous methods of "puddling and ribboning" this time the harder gel will seal in the curl enhancer and the conditioner.

7) AIR DRY ONLY NO EXCEPTIONS

The removal of silicones or being cone-free is definitely starting to show results. My hair looks shiny and healthy. The main benefit is my hair is not unnecessarily thick and moisture of any kind now works for me (and not unpredictably) as it seems to soak into the hair and not just sit on top.

Yesterday I was jogging and got caught in the pouring rain for 15 minutes. Non-stop pouring heavy rain!!!

I found an article on discovery.com that said rain water is very beneficial to hair especially for people who have hard water running in their house.

I also heard that its only a concern to not use rain water on hair for conditioning or shampooing if you live in an area where the rainwater turns into acid as it falls toward the ground. That's horrible and I think cowashing your hair should be the last thing on a persons mind if they have acid falling onto them.

Anyhow, turns out rain water is safe for hair and body but you have to detoxify it if you plan on drinking it. Rain water is not safe to drink.

Someone walked up to me and said "wow your hair looks so good" and I said thanks.

But I need to confess that since I started this thread topic a month ago I have not used shampoo at all since then. I just use conditioner only method. I use 2 types of conditioner but the one I use in the shower to scrub my scalp and to cowash my curls is the Giovanni Deep Hydrating with Silk Protein which I think acts as a tiny poo cause it yields a ton of suds. I then rinse completely out and use a second conditioner as my styling leave-in.

Anyhow, I think I will continue to just use this method and I hope to gain more compliments. Seems like someone tells me how healthy my curls look on a daily basis.