Frances: "God created only earth as a habitable place." My bible says that Jesus made worlds - plural. (See Heb 1:2, 11:3) I believe that there are many inhabited planets, but earth is the only one that fell into sin.

God created only earth as a habitable place. We have the moon and sun to light us by day and night. We have stars to navigate by. The rest is the vivid imaginations of occult practitioners. Any aliens or other worldly manifestations are demons. We should not allow them to deceive us into belief in extra terrestrial physical life. There are, however, other supernatural beings on earth in another dimension that sometimes overlaps ours. People say that the stars are other suns millions of light years away, but I am not persuaded of this. It does not fit in with the age of the Universe.

Please do not take this as my final word....but I believe at this moment in time....that the Nephilim were some kind of giants. Remember that there were many giants on earth after the flood, one of whom was Goliath. Architecture and Egyptian drawings and stories support the existance of giants, and many skeletons have been discovered. Possibly through warfare they were all destroyed and all we have left are a few remains, and some genes in the gene pool leading to occasional giants among us. Of course most people think I am away with the fairies so I add here that I also believe dragons existed as the Bible states and as all cultures report.

I still would not call the scripture you quoted the "story of the Nephilim." They are merely mentioned in passing as having been "on the earth" at that time. ---jerry6593 on 5/15/09 I would say they are worthy of more than just a passing reference since God destroyed the earth because of them. Or are you saying that the passage just makes a flying leap and changes the subject and that the Nephilim were not related to the destruction of the Earth? One thing for sure, it is not clear exactly WHAT they were other than "giants".

Obe: I stand corrected. It was Daniel who called the Nephilim "aliens." It was your substantiation of his assertions that misled me. I still would not call the scripture you quoted the "story of the Nephilim." They are merely mentioned in passing as having been "on the earth" at that time.

I agree with the most important answer anything to steer believer's from the name above all names is Jesus Christ. Who's job is that the first rebel Lucifer. A creation from God that rebeled and in a blink was cast down. So we know that demons exist former angels a 1/3 fell with the first rebel instantly. There was no meeting the acts of sin from the first rebel jealousy, envy, and self-ambition cast down. Who gets to sit with Christ in His table with the King of Kings, Lord of Lords. His human creation in glorified form sit at the table co-heirs. Angels are standing surrounding but not sitting.

there is a lot of things that the bible does not answer to,but the purpose of the bible is to point men to christ and not to answer our every whim and fancy, however we get a lot of clues,but not definite answers on lot of certain things. we have to be careful when we speculate, using clues found in the bible.speculation can lead to false teaching,many people have decieved a lot of followers, because they speculated on things that the bible gave clues,how then can we approach issues,that we just have clues about? first we can state what the bible says, and then say, well this is my view,i could be wrong, but i think....(and give your personal view)

Obe: Great scriptures, but THEY SAY NOTHING ABOUT ALIENS! Who are the Sons of God?

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name: ---jerry6593 on 5/14/09 I never said they are aliens. You said: "what story", so I posted the story.

The mystery is about why God was so upset about it. It looks to me like the liasons described are what caused God to send the flood.

When God's plan has finished, He will destroy the heavens and the earth. Would He destroy the heavens if there were fifty godly planets? Would He destroy the heavens if there were forty godly planets? Would He destroy the heavens if there were ten godly planets?

I visited the Freeman Perspective website today and watched a one hour video on this subject and realized there are some real possibilities for cults to come out of this stuff. People are really hungry for conspiracy theories and anything on UFO's, the Nephilim, and Freemasons, and end times, and the New World Order..yada yada...I am drifting back to thinking I should be reading more of the Berkeley Spiritual Counterfeits literature now...LOL There is one thing for sure and it is that there is money to be made on all sides from the video and book sales.

I have seen UFO"S at two different times. One was picked up on Military Radar and tracked. Thousands of people saw it. My Aunt was on a Texas Highway far away from me and saw it. The other I followed across town and alerted my husband and friends at home who came outside and saw it. Both were fairly close,not way off in the distance. They appeared to be grey metal,not demons but tangible metal flying machines. Giants were already in the land before Sons of God took daughters of men for wives. Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days,and also after that,when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,and they bare children to them,--.

Genesis 6:1-71 When men began to increase in number on the earth...the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married... 3 ...4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those daysand also afterwardwhen the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved...and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth...NIV

Obe: "Actually, the story about the Nephilim IS in the Bible." What STORY? Where? The Nephilim were giants, that's all. All people before the flood were giants. So what? Where's your story about panspermia (aliens "seeding" planet earth) to be found? Only in the fiction section.

P.S. I agree that the Left Behind series is pure, non-biblical fiction - as is the secret rapture theory itself.

Daniel: Your theories make good comic book material, but cannot be supported from the Bible. ---jerry6593 on 5/11/09 Actually, the story about the Nephilim IS in the Bible. The details about what happened after that are open to speculation - just like a lot of details about things written in Revelation. I mean, how any end-times comic books have been written? We have the entire multi-million dollar earning "Left Behind" series to tell us EXACTLY what and who will happen and you know what -- it is FICTION. (Albeit based on "fact")

I do not have a personal on this matter, instead I have the truth on this matter. UFO's and "aliens" are very real, but they are not what they appear to be. In the bible when the sons of God (angels) came upon the daughters of man they fathered abominations called Nephilim. These creatures have been seen through out history as "aliens", and now some people are beginning to believe that they created us. It is a lie told by Satan to take the focus off God! These "aliens" are really half demon and human hybrids, that are building an army lead by Satan. Do not be decieved my friend!

I enjoy messing with UFO heads. One of my favorites is to buy one of those "Happy Whatever" helium-filled mylar baloons at the grocery store, and attach a chem-light stick to it (I prefer green). Wait for a dark night and a gentle wind to carry it over a populous area. Now that's a UFO!

Unless you believe people are manipulating the membership of this website to exclude and ban anyone agreeing with me, then why should you think that nobody could possibly agree with me and therefore Betty and Frances are the same? If you believe such manipulation is taking place, then you are adamant that the illuminati control everything and denying it makes you disingenuous. Please make up your mind if you think illuminati are active or not.

Has anyone heard of Project Bluebeam. Some kind of government project to make believe there is either an alien invasion, or a Second Coming. Or maybe it will be the arrival of the Antichirst on to the scene.

I am only going to say this once so everyone pay attention...UFOs are absolutely real, and do exist. They are UN-IDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS. Thats it. There are things passed by in the sky that were not able to be identified. The fact that we didn't look in time to identify the object make it a mystery. Aliens? Not a chance. This universe to too fine tuned for life to exist on this planet and the chances of all these factors falling into place like with out planet are virtually impossible.

Yes, indeed, Betty and I are different people. I agree with her, Jesus would not need a spacecraft. There are certain flying objects mentioned by the prophets. Nowhere does it say they came from other planets. The Catholic Church has a space centre outside the Vatican. They say we should consider UFOs a possibility. Personally, I believe that they are demonic manifestations, a bit like ghosts, orbs, etc. They do exist and I have seen such things in the sky and elsewhere. If you keep your eyes open you will see such things, but you have to be awake to them. They are not hidden, but people are too busy or don't consider such things real. The government want us to believe in an alien threat.

Why would they be suffering the effects of the fall of Adam, necessarily?It certainly didn't affect the angels, now did it? And they are created beings as well.---katavasia on 4/28/09

So here we have it. Katty believes in aliens. I feel sure he believes that men can even fly through space. We have a sad case of T.V. upbringing, combined with Satanic brainwashing. Perhaps it happened when he was abducted by aliens.

For everyone to be on the same page there must be a difinitive and fully clarified definition of what is a ufo.Likewise the same with what is a alien.One could easily call a visitation of a angel or spirit an alien.However if the opinion is directed towards the actual physical appearances of unknown lifeforms and their modes of transportation then are these vehicles and forms of life human but are also a creation from the source of all creative energies.Sometimes the imagination tells the human brain that angels need wings and have feathers so pictures are painted.Our imagination serves to put everything into perspective.And then it serves us well and accurately .

katavasia- It may be important for people to realize this: God never needed a UFO, spacecraft or any mode of transportation made by hands. Some people think Jesus Christ will come back to earth on a spacecraft, but God is not coming back on a spacecraft of any kind. He doesn't need that mode of transportation because He can go where He wants to. Any spacecraft is made by man.

Yes, UFOs and space aliens exist. But, not as they appear to us to be. They are demons in disguise. And, they have a plan to manifest their demonic, extra-terrestrial agenda onto the lost and ungodly of this Earth.

Is the science fiction book some of you talk about one of L.Rod Hubbard's maniac books?Its sounds like some of his crazy stuff.----------------------------------------It was too long ago for me to remember. I even forgot where I read about it. I think it was a book review in a magazine. I do not get my theology from Science Fiction anyway and for the most part have stopped reading it. And, it is just what it says it is FICTION. That is what some people need to realize. I don't dispute that the proliferation of Sci-Fi literature is preparing some people to be deceived. That is why I posted the comment about the Berkeley Spiritual Counterfeits project.

Is the science fiction book some of you talk about one of L.Rod Hubbard's maniac books?Its sounds like some of his crazy stuff.

He wrote awful science fiction books that few bought.He used his ideas and started his 'religion' of Scientology.He knew that religion sells and he made a fortune selling his religion to ignorant people looking to fill a void in their lives.

If you look at some of the basics of Scientology, ie going to other planets, time travel etc you can see his poorly written books reflected in their beliefs.

He's an unidentified flying objectHe will sweep down from the skyHe's an unidentified flying objectsome will sleep but will not dieHe's an unidentified flying objectcoming back to take you homeHe's an unidentifed flying objectHe will role away your stone

and if there's life on other planetsthen i'm sure that He must knowand He's been there once alreadyand has died to save their souls

Donna: You are correct. The UFO sightings, when not natural phenomena, secret military aircraft or outright fraud, are delusions of demons. Why do you think the Bible calls Satan "the Prince of the power of the air?"

As for Ezekiel's vision, any Bible student worth his salt knows that was a vision of God's throne, and the four creatures that support it.

Your belief is not biblical. Just because you think Ezekiel's wheel is a UFO, doesn't mean Ezekiel and others didn't recognize it as something from heaven.------------------------------------------UFO = Unidentified Flying Object. Ezekiel only "identified" it in "symbolic" language. It was "flying" and it was an "object". I never said it was not from God. Clearly he states in chapter one that the object was from God. As for angels of light, I am trusting God that he won't allow me to be deceived, but I do not expect to meet any angels real or deceitful before Chist comes back.

Does that include Ezekiel's wheel? It is the most famous UFO account in the Bible. ---obewan on 4/30/09

obewan--where in scripture does it reference Exekiel's wheel as a UFO? Are the words UFO ever mentioned in the bible? Where? Where does God or Jesus or Paul or Isaiah or Jeremian ever reference UFO's?

Your belief is not biblical. Just because you think Ezekiel's wheel is a UFO, doesn't mean Ezekiel and others didn't recognize it as something from heaven. Will you recogize the anti-christ when he comes? Because he's going to disguise himself as an angel of light and proclaim peace, peace. Will you say he's an UFO?

I believe all forms of UFO's are demonically driven by demons themselves. Anything to take our attention off of God is satan's goal. ---donna8365 on 4/30/09

Does that include Ezekiel's wheel? It is the most famous UFO account in the Bible. Have you ruled out that angels might travel by UFO too? Don't forget, demons are fallen angels in some cases.

Ezekiel 1:4 (NIV)I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north--an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal ...

Shawn T, I really liked your answer to this question. You stated the answer without saying yes or no to the idea that many have. There is many things God did not think we should bother with, if He wanted us to know some other things He would have told us. Only the idea's of man and his mind and dreams can come to any conclusion for the human mind can contrive so many things. But without God's word to confirm it, they are only ideas of man.To the human, those topics are exciting. I see that movies nowadays use incidents in Scripture to protray a false story. Like the Decoding the past. Sounds true when they speak but after a little study it is all false.

Obe: "Actually, there is a Science Fiction novel written where that is exactly the case. Jesus was going around from planet to planet to save all the fallen aliens!"

Really? That's funny.

Kat: "Why would they be suffering the effects of the fall of Adam, necessarily?"

A couple of reasons I have for this belief: Romans 8:22 says "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now". Everything created was affected by sin. Also, Revelation 20-21 speaks of a renewal of both the heavens and the earth, which was necessary because all of creation 'needs a bath'.

It would seem that Christ would need to be incarnated as one of these alien creatures and subsequently would need to be resurrected in a glorified alien body. To me, this scenario sounds more than a bit off. ---Bobby3 on 4/28/09 Actually, there is a Science Fiction novel written where that is exactly the case. Jesus was going around from planet to planet to save all the fallen aliens!

**I have been persuaded that intelligent alien life does not exist because these hypothetical alien beings, who would also be suffering of the effects of the Fall along with the rest of creation (Rom8), would require a Savior. **

Why would they be suffering the effects of the fall of Adam, necessarily?

It certainly didn't affect the angels, now did it? And they are created beings as well.

It would be arrogant to believe that we are the only inhabitants of space. However if Aliens did visit Earth then apparantly they became bored and left. And if they are visiting Earth, then they appear to be a little more advanced scientifically then we are so don't worry about it. However that is my advice anyway, don't worry about it.

Kat: "Can you please tell us just how, either way, this will adversely affect such core doctrines as the Trinity, Incarnation, or Resurrection?"

I think the question does actually intersection with two of these core doctrines, namely the Incarnation and Resurrection. I have been persuaded that intelligent alien life does not exist because these hypothetical alien beings, who would also be suffering of the effects of the Fall along with the rest of creation (Rom8), would require a Savior. It would seem that Christ would need to be incarnated as one of these alien creatures and subsequently would need to be resurrected in a glorified alien body. To me, this scenario sounds more than a bit off.

There has been scholarly research done on this from a Christian perspective. To better understand the deception aspect of this go to the Berkely Spiritual Counterfeits website and use the search to look for UFO papers in the past journal archives. They make the case that science fiction and fantasy literature are preparing people to develop a deceptive faith in aliens and all that stuff.

Infinite Knowledge presence Infinite Possibilities and with God our Lord, all things are Possible but we're unable to know them all, for there are also many other things which our Lord did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:25

While it's a Truth that whatever the thoughts of our hearts are able to Dream, Envision or Make Up does Exist(FOR All Things Being Made By God & Without Him Was Not Any Thing Made That Was Made :John 1:3), only God's Spirit can Discern if the thoughts of those dreams & visions are Good or evil.

We once saw an object that was flying as we drove through the desert, I couldn't identify it...UFO? Then there were 2, then several, we stopped and watched them. Buzzing about like HUGE hornets.

My husband explained that it was a 'drone' that could take pictures from the air. It's remotely guided by someone at a computer. We were close to an Air Force base that's tucked away in the desert for experimental puposes.Maybe that's why so many in that area (close to area 51) have seen "UFO's"?

Illuminati? Me thinks that 'Betty' and 'Francis' must be one in the same.

Dont know enough about this. It sounds wierd but, the bible does say there are good spirits and fallen spirits. the bible says something about that but, don't know where . I believe it could be the bad spirits.

Aliens and UFO's are demonic activity. If you interview the people that say that they have seen or been obducted by aliens or UFO's, then you look into their background, you will find that all of them are involved with or have dabbled with the occult or new age stuff. Most also report smelling sulfer, which is the smell of Hell.

Can you please tell us just how, either way, this will adversely affect such core doctrines as the Trinity, Incarnation, or Resurrection?

It takes all the mental, psychic, and spiritual energy I can muster to make sure I'm in synch with God's will for my own life. I have none remaining to worry about His plans for beings that may or may not exist.

Many people may have really seen UFOs, but it could be only demonic manifestations, and maybe NASA. Who has the ability to send up spacecrafts like that? NASA. Isn't the world, maybe especially the USA, wild over UFO movies and books? You know NASA is interested in UFOs...most likely interested enough to manufacture their own and test them right under our noses. They can't get them out of this world. Hoaxers. Also the Army has the ability to use mind control and mind-bending techniques. They can make people think they saw something they didn't. Interesting things about this can be found on the internet.

Satan is not always to blame about everything. The government is acting unholy. Be informed. The Illuminati controls the government. The Lord would not want His people to be ignorant, nor afraid, yet they should be aware.

I don't think physical technology could transport an alien the number of *light years* one would need,. (Bill)---------------

Actually then you have to ask how Jesus and angels travel throughout the universe.

I read a real quantum mechanics Phd Thesis once that discussed experiments done in the realm of sub-atomic particle physics.

There have been sub-atomic particles discovered that have linked charges not bound by time and space. At least, that is how the theoretical math works. If a charge is applied to one particle on the opposite side of the universe, the charge on its mating particle will instantly reverse regardless of the distance. So, with infinite knowledge, a transporter beam would be possible.

I don't think physical technology could transport an alien the number of *light years* one would need to travel, in order to get from even those closer solar systems to here. Allure with U.F.O.'s can be used to keep people's attention away from God, including having them hung up about "conspiracy theories" > this *is* Satan's world > there *are* his conspiracies going on, all the time, including his conspiracy to keep our attention on real and imagined conspiracies, instead of concentrating on and specializing in being submissive to God in His peace (Clossians 3:15). And Satan's spirits are in another "dimension", and these can produce or have people falsely report alien experiences, for our *attention*.