The Democratic governor said future generations will be living "indoors ... or we'll be living on some other planet."

Living on another world? Cool! I always wanted to know what it felt like to be a early American colonial, helping develop a new world. I'd like to live on the lush, green world with sparse human population. And I want my plot of land to be around 3,000 acres.

Personally I think that there will be one of many other factors which will cause humanity to get his ass kicked long before any kind of global warming shiat happens. It may not wipe us out but it will sure humble the fu(k out of us.

Cythraul:Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

All we need to do is find a way to terraform Mars. Should be pretty simple.

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Mars doesn't have an iron core. No Van Allen belts for you. The atmosphere is being stripped away by the solar wind faster than it can generate and harsh radiation bakes the surface instead of being deflected.

We can't even fund fiscally sane healthcare, or stop lobbing rockets at each other and you think we can fund a ship with the matte rials to terraform Mars and get enough people there?

bim1154:Personally I think that there will be one of many other factors which will cause humanity to get his ass kicked long before any kind of global warming shiat happens. It may not wipe us out but it will sure humble the fu(k out of us.

Cyborgs kicking our asses off the planet and chasing the remainder around the galaxy.

I think we find a habitable planet in the end though, so we got that going for us.

lohphat:Cythraul: Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

All we need to do is find a way to terraform Mars. Should be pretty simple.

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Mars doesn't have an iron core. No Van Allen belts for you. The atmosphere is being stripped away by the solar wind faster than it can generate and harsh radiation bakes the surface instead of being deflected.

We can't even fund fiscally sane healthcare, or stop lobbing rockets at each other and you think we can fund a ship with the matte rials to terraform Mars and get enough people there?

You really thought I was being serious? Heh.

It's far more likely that humanity will never leave this rock as we will most likely end up destroying ourselves. Our rate of technological discovery in the way of space travel and planetary engineering has to outpace the rate at which we are killing each other or the rate at which we are damaging this world. I don't think that's currently the case.

Gwyrddu:JackieRabbit: I'd like for Gov. Brown to put down the hash pipe for a few minutes and tell us which Earth-like planet he would recommend.

Here's a list:[www.hpcf.upr.edu image 850x637]

Oh, a generally hypothetical list of possibly habitable planets (we really have no way to know for sure). And how far away are these new vacation destinations? Inasmuch as we do not have the capability for manned interstellar travel and won't for several hundred years, the point is moot.

JackieRabbit:Oh, a generally hypothetical list of possibly habitable planets (we really have no way to know for sure). And how far away are these new vacation destinations? Inasmuch as we do not have the capability for manned interstellar travel and won't for several hundred years, the point is moot.

I find that predictions of how long certain technologies take to get off the ground to be a difficult problem to estimate. In the sixties people thought that space flight would be easy in the future while severely underestimating advances in computer technology. Interstellar space flight could take hundreds of years, or unexpected breakthroughs and development could get us there a lot sooner.

Anyway, I'd say his statement is a moot point mostly because he wasn't seriously suggesting a planetary colonizing program as a plausible solution to global warming, he was bringing up more as absurd alternatives to the relatively easier problem of fixing the problem here on earth.

That isn't to say though that interstellar exploration and eventual colonization isn't worth talking about as well. However long we may think it would take to develop the technology, it will never happen if we don't start down that path.

Gwyrddu:Mrbogey: Call me crazy, but I think it'd be less labor intensive to clean up the Earth than to find another planet and make it habitable.

I think that was the point he was getting at.

Yes, pretty much this. That said, carbon trading is a farce that does nothing to reduce emissions. It just allows big emitters to pay a tax to the government while they keep right on emitting. The program will simply drive away the very businesses and industry California needs to keep paying all those taxes. Everything can't convert to emissions-free software development.

The only way something like this, "cap"...not "trade", is if it's instituted nation-wide, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. And wouldn't male a difference globally anyway, since China, India, Brazil and other large developing countries are belching out CO2 like there's not tomorrow,

It's going to be a bumpy ride, environmentally speaking, for the next century or so until solar and other renewables come on line in sufficient numbers. Or we could build new generation reactors...

Yeah, a conditional statement of alternatives to having to live indoors or extinction is surely nutty. Never mind that this is one of the central tenets of the science fiction most of you 'tards worship, Jerry Brown is the crazy loner.

Humanity isn't going to destroy ourselves. That's just hysterical short-term thinking. Will we continue to live the cushy First World existence that we all love to vilify from the comfort of nice desks and $200 laptops? Probably not. But homo sapiens will survive. It's all just ebb and flow.

Cythraul:The Democratic governor said future generations will be living "indoors ... or we'll be living on some other planet."

Living on another world? Cool! I always wanted to know what it felt like to be a early American colonial, helping develop a new world. I'd like to live on the lush, green world with sparse human population. And I want my plot of land to be around 3,000 acres.

Can I talk to you for a minute about the cult church of the Latter Day Saints? You get your own planet! Just hope it isn't right next to Romney's .

Never is my best guess when it comes to practical, large-scale inter-stellar travel. Hell, our physics practically precludes it on a theoretical basis. Yet, there are really, really people who think that what could generously be called this scintilla of a possibility justifies continuing to pollute.

signaljammer:Never is my best guess when it comes to practical, large-scale inter-stellar travel. Hell, our physics practically precludes it on a theoretical basis.

That's because you perception of what is practical is too narrow. Hollow out an asteroid, fill it with an inter-generational colony ship with sufficient fuel and send it off with a drive that can approach the speed of light and you could eventually reach any star in the galaxy. Actually, you could probably reach most of the galaxy just by making 10 to 15 year jumps between star systems. The science already exists for interstellar travel and colonization, it is just the engineering and technology that is currently lacking, and we'll have that as well eventually.

Yet, there are really, really people who think that what could generously be called this scintilla of a possibility justifies continuing to pollute.

Possibly, but again Jerry Brown was not advocating that we continue to pollute based on the alternatives he presented, he was advocating we not pollute because the alternatives he suggesting were absurd in comparison.

Just when I was starting to think Brown is a semi-normal guy he comes out with this crap. I was hoping that in his old age he wouldnt have these dipshiat hippy ideas. Man made global warming does not exist. The planet is going to be just dandy. There is no need for us to start scoping out other planets.

Ima4nic8or:Just when I was starting to think Brown is a semi-normal guy he comes out with this crap. I was hoping that in his old age he wouldnt have these dipshiat hippy ideas. Man made global warming does not exist. The planet is going to be just dandy.

You seem pretty certain of that for some reason. Yet most scientists, insurance companies and even the Navy all not only know that the Earth is getting warmer but use that information to more effectively do their job. It is also well known that the amount of greenhouse gases has been increasing over time along with the average global temperature. It is also known that the presence of greenhouse gases traps heat in the atmosphere and thus has effect on global temperature.

Things do get more complicated from there. We do know human activity, especially the burning of fossil fuels releases large amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. There are also plenty of other CO2 sources and sinks in the world as well, one of those sinks being forests, especially the amazon rain forest which we've cut down a lot of thus removing a major feedback loop that could slow global warming.

But it is legitimate to question how much global warming is due to human influence and how much is naturally occurring. But just because there may be natural occurring global warming doesn't mean we aren't or that we should help it along. And just because the earth will be fine doesn't mean human civilization will be fine. Jerry Brown I think was exaggerating on the effects of global warming, but it is clear that global warming will be and probably already has been an expensive proposition, more expensive than actually doing something about it.

And that is not even including all the side benefits of efficiency of green technology. Technologies that waste less resources are just likely to become more profitable as traditional energy sources inevitably become more expensive.