sendtodave:griffer: Oh for the love of Rand! You jackanapes are a disgrace. Terrible, horrible stupidity. Like a bunch of circle jerling monkeys, egging each other on by lobbing feces. Congratulations on your total regression. Join Scientology now, and give up your brain entirely. No wonder we are doomed. I am so glad I have chosen to not procreate and protect my progeny from this decay.

If only there were some sort of organization where everyone got together and agreed on the rules then set up a system to enforce those rules. This organization could also do things like check that products are safe and being made safely and step in to make financial markets more fair in order to help mitigate the harm caused by information asymmetry.

jjorsett:There's the ad hominem diversion I was waiting for. No need to evaluate and debate an idea when we can dismiss it because we don't like its proponents. Hitler was a vegetarian, so people who like lettuce are fascists, etc.

This is somehow the most non-sensical post in this thread. That took effort. Well done.

sendtodave:griffer: Oh for the love of Rand! You jackanapes are a disgrace. Terrible, horrible stupidity. Like a bunch of circle jerling monkeys, egging each other on by lobbing feces. Congratulations on your total regression. Join Scientology now, and give up your brain entirely. No wonder we are doomed. I am so glad I have chosen to not procreate and protect my progeny from this decay.

Enjoy your disgusting mud pit, you stupid dicks.

WHY YOU TALK FUNNY? YOU FROM LAND BEYOND THE BIG WATER?

TALK LIKE REAL CAVEMERICAN.

SO EASY, CAVEMAN CAN DO IT.

I refuse to stoop to your level of inanity.

Do you realize our founding fathers were fluent in Latin, Greek and several European languages like French and German?

kronicfeld:jjorsett: There's the ad hominem diversion I was waiting for. No need to evaluate and debate an idea when we can dismiss it because we don't like its proponents. Hitler was a vegetarian, so people who like lettuce are fascists, etc.

This is somehow the most non-sensical post in this thread. That took effort. Well done.

MOG TAKE GRAINS FROM FIELD, MASH THEM, PRESS THEM INTO SQUARE OVER THERMAL VENT

InmanRoshi:Every libertarian utopia somehow revolves around people living off the land in some rural outpost. The trouble is commerce and capitalism encourages population density. I'd love to hear how libertarianism works in a condensed urban environment where 9 million people are forced to share a finite amount of resources and land.

Same as now, except without laws other than those that protect body and property.

RobertBruce:Garble: Thomas Jefferson specifically turned "Life, Liberty and Property" into "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."That would be a burning-at-the-stake level offense to most self-identified libertarians today.

He wanted to leave it. Ben Franklin convinced him to change it.

Proving Franklin was a hell of a lot smarter than the racist hypocrite from Virginia.

griffer:sendtodave: griffer: Oh for the love of Rand! You jackanapes are a disgrace. Terrible, horrible stupidity. Like a bunch of circle jerling monkeys, egging each other on by lobbing feces. Congratulations on your total regression. Join Scientology now, and give up your brain entirely. No wonder we are doomed. I am so glad I have chosen to not procreate and protect my progeny from this decay.

Enjoy your disgusting mud pit, you stupid dicks.

WHY YOU TALK FUNNY? YOU FROM LAND BEYOND THE BIG WATER?

TALK LIKE REAL CAVEMERICAN.

SO EASY, CAVEMAN CAN DO IT.

I refuse to stoop to your level of inanity.

Do you realize our founding fathers were fluent in Latin, Greek and several European languages like French and German?

griffer:Oh for the love of Rand! You jackanapes are a disgrace. Terrible, horrible stupidity. Like a bunch of circle jerling monkeys, egging each other on by lobbing feces. Congratulations on your total regression. Join Scientology now, and give up your brain entirely. No wonder we are doomed. I am so glad I have chosen to not procreate and protect my progeny from this decay.

pippi longstocking:Capitalism is like a game of monopoly, everybody starts the same (let's say a new industry) and everything is neck-to-neck for a while until eventually one asshole has all of the resources.

Capitalism is inherently flawed and the only means to regulate it is via government, thus lobbyist for said companies are strongly against that.

This is the crux of the issue. In a capitalist society government is essential for maximizing personal freedom.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:GROG TRY TO MAKE BIG BRAIN ETCHING ABOUT TIGER TRIBE TAKING HIS SHINY ROCKS. OTHER CAVEMEN THROW DUNG AT HIS WALL. GROG MAD. OTHER CAVEMEN SHOULD GO BACK OVER BIG WATER WHERE OTHER CAVEMEN BELONG.

MAYBE GROG NEED GO ACROSS WATER WHERE DARK TRIBES LIVE. MANY TRIBES. NO LAW, NO ELDERS. ALL DO AS WANT. GORK THINK GROG LIKE IT BETTER THERE.

Pocket Ninja:Libertarians are the atheists of the political world, in that many of them will loudly and frequently tell you they are that thing, but a very small percentage of them -- a miniscule amount, really -- actually know what being that thing means. Most of them have chosen to self-label as a reaction to something else, not out of conscious selection, and almost none of them can identify more than the most patently obvious truisms about their "chosen" belief system. They know what they've been told, or what they've read about being told, and that's about it.

Damn. I have honestly never heard anyone just lay it out in such a succinct way.

Pocket Ninja:Libertarians are the atheists of the political world, in that many of them will loudly and frequently tell you they are that thing, but a very small percentage of them -- a miniscule amount, really -- actually know what being that thing means. Most of them have chosen to self-label as a reaction to something else, not out of conscious selection, and almost none of them can identify more than the most patently obvious truisms about their "chosen" belief system. They know what they've been told, or what they've read about being told, and that's about it.

Hey, as an Atheist who can't stand libertarians I... agree. There does seem to be a bit less "No True Scotsmanship" lame rationalization going on among atheists though, but it's still bad enough as it is.

griffer:Oh for the love of Rand! You jackanapes are a disgrace. Terrible, horrible stupidity. Like a bunch of circle jerling monkeys, egging each other on by lobbing feces. Congratulations on your total regression. Join Scientology now, and give up your brain entirely. No wonder we are doomed. I am so glad I have chosen to not procreate and protect my progeny from this decay.

buckler:Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG TRY TO MAKE BIG BRAIN ETCHING ABOUT TIGER TRIBE TAKING HIS SHINY ROCKS. OTHER CAVEMEN THROW DUNG AT HIS WALL. GROG MAD. OTHER CAVEMEN SHOULD GO BACK OVER BIG WATER WHERE OTHER CAVEMEN BELONG.

MAYBE GROG NEED GO ACROSS WATER WHERE DARK TRIBES LIVE. MANY TRIBES. NO LAW, NO ELDERS. ALL DO AS WANT. GORK THINK GROG LIKE IT BETTER THERE.

AS SOON AS GROG HAVE BIG BRAIN STORY ABOUT WHAT GROG WANTS OTHER CAVEMEN TELL HIM TO GO ACROSS WATER WHERE DARK TRIBES LIVE. GROG IS BORED BY THIS AND OTHER CAVEMEN HAVE SMALL BRAINS.

CheatCommando:RobertBruce: Garble: Thomas Jefferson specifically turned "Life, Liberty and Property" into "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."That would be a burning-at-the-stake level offense to most self-identified libertarians today.

He wanted to leave it. Ben Franklin convinced him to change it.

Proving Franklin was a hell of a lot smarter than the racist hypocrite from Virginia.

He was trying to 'inspire' (manipulate) the unwashed masses. Remember, it was a revolution from the top- lawyers and wealthy landowners. Not exactly a common event in history.