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Two Babylons?

Our friend Bosco is fond of writing about Catholicism as the ‘religion of Nimrod’ and calling Catholics worshippers of Semiramis. He seems not to know that such stuff, which nowadays tends to be spread by Jack Chick and his devotees, derives from an early nineteenth century Scottish clergyman, Alexander Hislop, who wrote an anti-Catholic book called ‘The Two Babylons’. Whilst seldom recommending Wikipedia as a source to my students, I did ask Bosco to look it up, as it contains helpful comments and links which, essentially, show that the book is based on out-dated ‘scholarship’ that was not strong when it was written, and which has been comprehensively debunked since. To take one example, key to Bosco’s views:

Lester L. Grabbe [an expert of Judaisim and ancient history] has highlighted the fact that Hislop’s entire argument, particularly his association of Ninus with Nimrod, is based on a misunderstanding of historical Babylon and its religion.[1] Grabbe also criticizes Hislop for portraying the mythological queen Semiramis as Nimrod’s consort, despite the fact that she is never even mentioned in a single text associated with him,[1] and for portraying her as the “mother of harlots”, even though this is not how she is depicted in any of the texts where she is mentioned.[1]

Woodrow is an interesting case, as his Christianity occupies the same end of the spectrum as Bosco’s, and he published a book based on Hislop. He, however, had the grace and the guts to (at some cost to himself as the book sold well) to withdraw the book when he realised how baseless its claims were. I wonder if Bosco has the same intelligence, humility and honesty? After 5 years of experiencing him, I am, sadly, betting that he will simply ignore all of this and then repeat the same of script. He has no argument left, just an immovable prejudice against the Catholic Church, which only a miracle can shift; but miracles happen.

As Wiki puts it in relation to the nonsense about Nimrod and Semiramis:

Much of Hislop’s work centers on his association of the legendary Ninus and his semi-historical wife Semiramis with the Biblical Nimrod. Hellenistic histories of the Ancient Near East tended to conflate their faint recollections of the deeds of ancient kings into legendary figures who exerted far more power than any ancient king ever did. In Assyria, they invented an eponymous founder of Nineveh named Ninus, who supposedly ruled 52 years over an empire comparable to the Persian Empire at its greatest extent. Ninus’s wife Semiramis was in turn a corruption of the historical figure Shammuramat, regent of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from 811 BC.[7] Hislop takes Ninus as a historical figure, and associates him with the Biblical figure Nimrod, though he was not the first to do so. The Clementine literature made the association in the 4th Century AD. An influential belief throughout the Middle Ages was that Ninus was the inventor of Idolatry,[8] a concept that Hislop clearly drew upon. However, Hislop wrote before the historical records of the ancient near east had been thoroughly decoded and studied, and it became apparent in the decades after he wrote that there never was any such figure as Ninus, and that the Greek authors whom he quotes were without credibility on the subject.[9]

And yet it is on such stuff Bosco relies. Why, you might ask, waste time on such poor stuff? The answer is simple. If you look on Amazon, which is still selling the book, you will see hordes of people praising it to the skies. some even saying that if it were not true, why has the Catholic Church not responded to it? That is a bit like saying why has it not responded to David Icke’s claims that the world is ruled by reptiles? Incidentally, and coincidentally, Wiki adds this:

Author and conspiracy theoristDavid Icke incorporates Hislop’s claims about Semiramis into his book The Biggest Secret, claiming that Semiramis played a key role in the establishment of a global conspiracy run by Reptilian aliens, whom he asserts is secretly controlling humanity.[18]

There is something heartbreaking about the thought of human beings so adrift from the real message of Christ’s Gospel, and the truth about His Church, that they find refuge and a truth they can believe in such sources. St Paul’s verdict applies:

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

The good news, for Bosco and for all who are misled by such toxins, is that the Church is there, opening its arms, which are the arms of God, and has the power of Christ to forgive all our sins and to help guide us on the road to Heaven.

The CC is called the Mother Church, even by people as yourself, Mr good brother Chalcedon. From there the prot sections split off. The prot sections still consider sunday as the Sabbath. Stop me when im wrong. The Sabbath is Saturday. The CC substituted their own Sabbath. Even though the prot world says they have nothing to do with the murderous CC, recognizing sunday as Sabbath is what I like to call a picture of Mom in their wallet.

Good brother Constantine lifted the ban on Christianity. He made it the state religion. the pagan idolatrs joined this new state religion and it came to be know as catholic. the followers of Christ refused to join it, as we do now. then came persecution anew to the followers of Jesus, this time by the new state religion. the persecution of Christians really never stopped. The new catholic church made Romes persecution of Christians look like amateur hour. id rather be eaten by a lion than having my tongue torn out.

Yes, that is true, even today. America has no right to say anything to anybody. it doesn’t matter if it was a million yrs ago, America is guilty of the worst kind of slavery. It still shoots down blacks like dogs in the streets.

I’m inclined to think that Babylon may be relevant to Bosco, although not in the way he perceives. That struck me yesterday in reading about a new translation of Genesis made by Sam Bray and John Hobbins. Their translation of Genesis 11:9 (which they say renders the feel of the Hebrew better than others do. The point of his article was the language, not religion, although he says he is. But when I read it, I laughed and said, “Hello, Bosco.”

“Hence her name is called Babylon, for there the LORD scrambled the tongue of all the earth and made it babble. And from there the LORD scattered them over the face of all the earth.”

The obelisk is just one of hundereds of pagan symbols in the Vaticanus Hill. Catholicism is Roman pagan deity worship with a new name. the gods are now renamed with Christian historical figures. Diana is now Mary, Jupiter is now peter…..so on and so forth.

Lets see good brother Chalcedon make the big fat Egyptian pagan Obelisk in the courtyard of the Vatican go away. its not just decoration, because the CC is full of Egyptian pagan symbolism. He cant make the Dragon in the Vatican go away either. None of this is his fault. I don’t know why he feels the need to explain it away. just get out of that false religion. Simple as that.

Why do I need it to go away? The British Museum has Egyptian statues in ot, it doesn’t make this country one that worship Isis. Perhaps Californians, having no history, don’t appreciate that others do. I have a very beautiful Ming vase, it doesn’t make me Chinese. Really, Bosco, do you think that having the artefacts of old civilizations in the Vatican means that the Pope worships them? Even by your standards, that’s bizarre.

I don’t explain anything away, there’s nothing to explain. If you read Woodrow’s article you’d see you are the victim of a scam – but then prejudiced people who think they are right on everything, are easily scammed. I’m sad for you. God gave you intelligence and you abuse it.

You accuse me of something I didn’t say and then say that everything I say is wrong because of it. Youre a sad case. Ill repeat ;…….the Vatican has Egyptian symbols that it incorporates into its form of Christianity. Most aren’t aware they are demonic pagan symbols. And to top it off, there is a obelisk in the front yard. This is supposed to be the headquarters of the church that Christ founded. But its oozing with paganism. Why? Because it is pagan.

Lots of catholic church building have one the outside or on the inside , a all seeing eye inside of a pyramid. Its not an artifact. Its a drawing or its carved into the wall. Come on, don’t challenge me on this…..youre making youre self out to be stupid, and we don’t want that, do we.
is the Popes pine cone staff an ancient artifact? No. I can go on and on.

The church is an abstract idea. It worships nothing. It does nothing. It exists in mens minds. There are all seeing eyes in many catholic church buildings. Its a sign of who the religion has allegiance to. Its like the masonic hand shake. It lets the other person know you are a mason.Yes, I have pictures of the all seeing eye in my all seeing site.

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Thanks, C, for taking this up again. This misdirection from Hislop hinders true exposition of Rev. 17 and 18 – if Bosco’s efforts were directed to praying against the true Babylon, then Saudi Arabia would be a Christian country.

Gods words are more accurate than an eye witness account of the same thing. prophesy that is. I know you Papist would like the book of Rev to go away, but one day, soon, its going to read like the daily news. Rev is deadly accurate. just like every word of scripture is. It describes the CC better than the Holy Father can. I mean the CCs Holy Father, not God, who is my Holy Father.

my ideas of Rev are fluid. I have modified one or two things. But the book of Rev isn’t for us today. But we try to flesh it out anyway. We have a good handle on the things that have come to pass, but lots of Rev prophesy hasn’t happened yet. So its impossible to figure out how it shapes up. One thing im certain of….catholicsm and Islam will disappear. It will be replaced by the Beast and his Image.

You could safely argue that. its a matter of semantics. the term nation state is relatively new. These countries qualify as nation states when you take a look at the definition of a nation state. It has borders, a core belief, protects it borders, elects its leaders in some fashion or another, has its own currency and identifies itself as a separate nation.

Like I said, its semantics. it could go either way. England is considered an empire, and it is also a nation state. America is considered an evil empire by most of the world, but we consider our country a nation state. OK, empire. No Prob. Ill use the word empire as a Beast. You get no argument out of me.

Bosco is trying to be more gentile. Good brother Spaniard has worked you guys over. Ill leave the fire eating to the new generation. bosco is tired and worn out, maybe seeing the end soon. I hope I get raptured. I don’t want to die by conventional means.

No, Spaniard banged his snowflake head against a brick wall and went away crying like a baby. You are a child of God and He loves you – that’s all that you, and I, need to know. I do not know why He led me here, any more than you do. We trust in him and He will provide.

@ Chalcedony, I did called you a liar and as a true Christian that wasn’t right, you do have my apology. Saying that, by you Chalcedon, calling people idiots and stupid is not Christ like and it is condemned in the Bible. We should keep the attacks on doctrine that we disagree in, not on personal attacks. I never called you a Satan, I called what you teach satanic and demonic. You were never banned, only your nasty language was banned. I just wanted to get the record straight. I’m not afraid of you or anyone else for that matter.

If you use strong words such as ‘satanic’ and ‘anti-Christian’, you must expect me to respond it kind.You will see here that I seldom resort to such terms, but where people use strong words, expect them back. If I am hit, I hit back, and if you are a snowflake, don’t bother.

The European Union is what was once called the holy Roman Empire. Whats in a name. Its the same thing. Now reach your boney skeletal like fingers into your worn and torn pockets and pull out a Euro coin. What do you see? Somebody stop me. You see a woman riding a beast with a cup in her hand. But good brother Nicholas thinks it preposterous.
Personally, I believe every word of scripture. the fearful and idolatrous think Gods words are preposterous. That’s because it shines a light on their vehicle of salvation, the murderous catholic cult of personality. they hate the light.

You have heard of the beast that was and is not and yet is? This is the Roman empire. it was, and it ruled the western world. It was taken over by a religion run by popes instead of Caesars. Then in 1798 , its head, a pope, was taken into custody and died in France. It seemed to be gone. In 1929 the catholic church was given back its ownership of its state. Its now rich beyond belief and has its tentacles everywhere. It still is. You call me a tin foil hatter out of one side of you mouth and out of the other you boast that the Roman State run religion has 1.2 billion members. I think that qualifies the CC as being alive and the major player on the earth.

No problem. I believe you. The world is like it is, no matter what we call it. We can jabber about it, but we cant do much to change it. Now, Europe has a immigrant problem. This is a game changer. The Europe of the 40s and 50s and even 60s is gone. Now its a shooting gallery, a killing field.Instead of being greatful, these muslims are running down the very people who let them in. Europe is in chaos. Trump is trying to keep them out of here, and that means the good ones with the bad ones. the good ones have to suffer because of the bad ones. Could this be the beginnings of Jacobs troubles? The muslims are raging all around Israel, but are largely leaving Israel alone. That is going to change.This is when Gods fury comes up in his face. I want out of here.

Here, finally, we agree. Europe is a decadent civilization, like the late Roman Empire. We are not producing enough children, nor are we defending our values now we are ‘post-Christian’. Within two generations or so, we shall be out-paced by the immigrants who do have babies and who do have faith in their religion’s values. One reason Christians should stop fighting each other is that we have the beast in full view – militant Islam.

“The good news, for Bosco and for all who are misled by such toxins, is that the Church is there, opening its arms, which are the arms of God, and has the power of Christ to forgive all our sins and to help guide us on the road to Heaven.”

As Cardinal Ratzinger wrote (before he became Pope Benedict XVI), it was humbling for the Church to realize that it does not forgive sins because only God can forgive sins. This is important. The graces that flow from the Sacraments come from God and not from the priests. The Church is not God.