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their redzone offense and 3rd down defense has been awful tonight. I don't get why they didn't run the ball more in the edzone after they recovered the fumble; carolina's run defense isn't exactly stout.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets.
2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did.
3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity.
4. Tebow did pretty good in Denver
5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.
6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing.
7. You don't have a WR
8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB.
9. You don't have a LT
10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)
11. You have a rookie HC
12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.

Always the deflector aren't you pal? The title of this thread still holds merit if you ask me.

It has nothing to do with that. I'd say the same about any other team including the Dolphins. The facts are that the Jets made it the the AFCCG in 2009 and 2010. That doesn't make them elite. Just because a team advances further than another team in the playoffs does not automatically make them a better team. Not everyone plays the same opponents. The Jets advanced further than the Ravens 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Are the Jets a better team than the Ravens because of that? The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFCC game in 2009. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier in the division round. The Jets lost to the Steelers in AFCCG in 2010. The Ravens had to play them 1 week earlier. Had it been the Jets who had to play Indy or Pitt in the Division game, it is very likely that the Ravens would be the team that advanced further each year.

To me, you need quality regular seasons as well as playoff wins to be considered one of the best teams. Bal went 11-5, 9-7, 12-4 and 12-4 in the last 4 years with their 2 AFCC games, so I consider them 1 of the best in the AFC. NE went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 with a Super Bowl App, so I would consider them one of the best in the AFC. 9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 is not one of the best to me even thought they have more playoff wins than both of those teams.

Tied for NFL lead in playoff wins
lead AFC in playoff wins
ONLY team to reach 2 title games in last 3 seasons

They have been elite whether your jealousy allows you to see it or not.

Originally Posted by Kinzua

Yeah, they could have, but it would have cost them a $ 9 million cap hit, which is why they didn't move him.

If you think Holmes' attitude has been "adjusted", you are delusional. The only reason he hasn't caused trouble already is because he hasn't played due to his rib injury. Sanchez is still playing the same crappy way he was last season, and Tebow is even worse. Holmes sees his career being wasted by inept QB play, and he's frustrated. He'll start trouble yet again this season.

He's a winning player, he's not Stevie stone hands who drops every "big" catch(in big situations since he's never played in a big game). They would have taken a cap hit but if they were getting rid of him March was the time to do it.

Originally Posted by 13ktownguy

How do you explain that they are much better teams than the jets? And yet you are elite and they are not. You cant deny that both the Steelers and Gmen are better teams, never mind the silly elite argument!

I didn't say they weren't, I'm just using the ever changing criteria phinz has for elite teams.

Originally Posted by Vaark

and unless you watch the nuances of the game, poor stats are conveniently deemed immaterial .. that's of course unless we're talking about good stats regardless of the outcome of the game.

the homer who I'm not sure even watches games is now discussing nuances of the game.

Originally Posted by registeredguy

Their offense tonight vs Carolina is vintage Sparano.

The offense was fine, had a dropped TD, had a drop that turned into an INt but we controlled both sides of the ball w/ starters in.

Originally Posted by bigvince75

their redzone offense and 3rd down defense has been awful tonight. I don't get why they didn't run the ball more in the edzone after they recovered the fumble; carolina's run defense isn't exactly stout.

1. Sparano was not the OC in Miami and he's not a HC of the Jets. he just empowered the OC and enabled him by defending his playcalling that was so predictable, that opponents laughingly admitted they could predict 3 or 4 out of every 5 plays. Beyond that, even in Dallas, before he was relieved of the playcalling duties, 2/3rds of the yards gained were with Todd Haley's plays and players through the air. And of all Dallas's key skill players, the jest don't have even one to compare on the ground or through the air with that year.

2. We will not run 30+ plays out of WC like Miami did. Really? In an era where the game has been purposely regulated to encourage passing, the only reason to bring Tebow in, is to make up for your CFL-level QB's many deficiencies

3. Jets did not draft Pat White, rather traded for a known commodity. The jest drafted Gholston and Ducasse.. what could be worse than that?

4. Tebow did pretty good in DenverThat's until the league caught up with him and he lost 4 of his last 5 games, or did you not realize that?

5. Jets had been running the WC successfully long before Dolphins.But we ran it better with Henning (the one thing he could do and David Lee who designed it) You've got the clueless meatball

6. You just lost your second best defender to yet another draft pick soon to be a bust. I wouldn't be laughing. See Ducasse, Gholston and maybe Coples per above

7. You don't have a WRand you have only 1 and he's a natural #2 and a clubhouse cancer. Which is better?

8. You don't have an NFL caliber QB. Actually we potentially have 2...including Moore who would be starting on the jest immediately. For a jest fan to accuse anyone else of lacking a NFL calliber QB is akin to Lindsay Lohan labeling someone else "a mess." Too ****ing funny

9. You don't have a LTA LT as in Jake? You need to see Vanna to buy a clue, especially after DeBrick's last year performance. Really??

10. What you do have is a team in rebuild process (been that way since Marino retired)Your team is presently in that mode.. u just are too oblivious to realize it.

11. You have a rookie HCYou had a rookie head coach who still hasn't had more than 1 out of 3 legitimate winning seasons and stood obliviously in the middle of his locker room flashing the bird and F bombs while everything around him was exploding! At least our rookie coach wasn't rejected by a savvy GM like Ozzie Newsome who knew him best, among about 4 other teams before the beancounter bit.

12. You have Jeff Ireland...nuff said.You have the bean counter.. it's a push.