ok, so we're joining these arguements together into a string, and then passing it to a function which splits it again...rediculous.

01:49

ah, there's a nice little helper function for this..

01:50

cyberorg: http://slexy.org/view/s20nuMyFpE

01:50

cyberorg: try that one.

01:51

<cyberorg>

trying

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<cyberorg>

Ryan52, yes!! it worked :)

01:54

<Ryan52>

yay!

01:54

<cyberorg>

thanks, remind me to pay for a beer when we meet ;)

01:55

vagrantc would be very happy with this

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<Ryan52>

it's probably best if you don't do that...I'm a minor ^.^

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<cyberorg>

Ryan52, i am sure you will be 18 when i see you

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<Ryan52>

oh, ok. :)

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<Ryan52>

cyberorg: should I commit this?

01:56

<cyberorg>

yup :)

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<Ryan52>

pushed

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<cyberorg>

Ryan52, now you can go sleep :)

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<Drakonen>

hello, i hav e aproblem with xrdp and ltsp. we have some small "chippc"s which do rdp. we want to connect them to ltsp, but when the xrdp session starts, it looks like they are in a different X environment. when i PXE boot an other machine, it looks fine (and i can configure it better). does anyone here know how to make xrdp use the same resources as a PXE booted session?

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<Drakonen>

does that even make sense?

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<cyberorg>

hi vagrantc :)

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<vagrantc>

stgraber, cyberorg: did that patch stgraber just commit work for xrdp session selection?

people can now switch off their terminals and resume from where they left

11:13

<vagrantc>

gotta figure out some other way for the sound variables ...

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<cyberorg>

we assume users will use the same terminal most of the time

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<vagrantc>

that's a big assumption

11:16

one of the feature that wins people over is that they can log in from any machine

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<cyberorg>

well it should work in most cases, at least first time user logs in

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<vagrantc>

but depends on your environment

11:16

at any rate... it's pretty slick.

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<cyberorg>

try live DVD when i am done, i've tried to make switching to nomad quite simple

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* vagrantc doesn't have the space for a DVD image

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<cyberorg>

i am preparing a jumbo image, first one was 1.8G

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: so, what are the things that nomad handles above normal xrdp? just sound?

11:20

<cyberorg>

with LDM, sound and local disks both

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i am not sure how much difference is between normal xrdp and nomad one, there is one big patch that is in suse package

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<maginot>

good afternoon

11:28

so ... Im with 6 clients connected, (ubuntu 8.10) and the box is using 25gb of memory .... is this normal or Im missing something in the proccess?

11:28

<vagrantc>

cyberorg: well, local disks work with "normal" xrdp. obviously the sound stuff is missing.

11:29

cyberorg: well, normal xrdp + ldm with nomad patches.

11:29

<cyberorg>

vagrantc, compiz, but i dont care for it much, so haven't looked at how to get it working

11:29

<vagrantc>

cyberorg: do you have a URL to the xrdp patch(es) for nomad?

11:30

<pscheie>

maginot, 25GB of RAM?

11:30

<maginot>

pscheie, yep

11:31

<pscheie>

maginot, How much RAM have you got in the box total?

11:31

<vagrantc>

wow. most of my LTSP application servers only have 2GB of ram.

11:31

<pscheie>

Mine all have 4GB

11:32

<Lumiere>

if you've got over 4G of ram

11:32

you better be running 64bit

11:32

<maginot>

this server have 32gb ... but now I just discovery what happened

11:32

<cyberorg>

vagrantc, http://prime.cyberorg.co.in/xrdp-nomad-patch.tar.bz2

11:33

<maginot>

a miss comunication here between the personal and something turned off the server in the middle of a dd for a forense recovery and I think nc was stucked in the middle

11:33

Lumiere, I have recompiled the kernel to support high memory

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I didnt know dd could use all the system resource in such a way ... impressive

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<epsas>

maginot - were you using bs=1?

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: looks like it also adds support for xdmx ...

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<cyberorg>

yup, you will see lot of composite and xdmx stuff

11:37

<maginot>

epsas, Hmmm to be honest I didnt set any parametrs, just if and of ... but I think the default is 512 isnt ?

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: i see a bunch of scp_session_set_wm stuff added. i'm wondering if your patch will work with plain xrdp...

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<cyberorg>

maginot, you know linux caches heavily filling all available RAM? that does not mean it is using all of it

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vagrantc, i am sure it does

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: i'll give it a whirl sometime...

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<maginot>

cyberorg, but if memory usage rises to top isnt this going to prejudice the clients ?

11:48

Hmm

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<cyberorg>

maginot, check "free -m"

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<maginot>

interesting, after reaching the max memory availble it frees the memory and start filling again

11:49

<cyberorg>

maginot, used - cached = really in use

11:50

check the third line -/+ buffer/cache, that is real figure

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<maginot>

cyberorg, very interesting, I didn't realize that

11:54

thanks

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* Lns wonders why the ltsp.org site doesn't have the new logo up yet :(

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<Nubae1>

oh, which logo won?

12:57

<Lns>

Nubae1: I forget, and every time i go to view design submissions my firefox almost craps out on me =p ironyyyy!

12:57

I'm sure it's in your IRC logs though =) can-o-spam had made an announcement shortly after the contest was over

12:57

oh, and on the list

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<Nubae1>

ah... well we'll see it soon enough I guess :-)

13:01

<Lns>

=) How's everything with you Nubae1 ?

13:01

Haven't chatted in a while

13:02

<ball>

Wish I had an EPROM programmer

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<Nubae1>

yeah, its good... not too much to tell really... trying to get some interest for ltsp based systems + lotus server for small businesses

13:03

how bout u?

13:03

<Lns>

Nubae1: Lotus eh? My brother works a lot with that down in L.A.

13:04

Nubae1: I'm doing well, have some interesting things in the pipeline for LTSP work here in Cali (mostly targetting pri/sec edu) and getting some great contacts in the area

13:04

Note to all: Attend your local LUG meetings, you'll meet many knowledgeable people

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<ball>

Lns: I don't think there is one.

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<Nubae1>

yeah non here either

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<ball>

I thought about setting up something informal, but I don't know.

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<Nubae1>

u have it easier up there in US of A

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<Lns>

you should..it's got to start somewhere

13:05

bah, nonsense. Linux is universal =)

13:06

even if people aren't into it over there, you could get people into it

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<Nubae1>

well, I'm still trying to convince schools here to take the plunge, but it takes time for them to make decisions

13:06

though they are all interested

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<ball>

Nubae1: where are you?

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<Nubae1>

Vienna, Austria

13:06

u?

13:07

<ball>

Illinois, USA

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<Lns>

schools are definitely slow moving

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but it's worth the time investment, as the results are great

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<ball>

Lns: somewhat, though in some ways they get to try things you wouldn't get away with in the corporate world.

13:08

(such as turning old machines into X terminals)

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<Lns>

ball: exactly

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<ball>

I saw a school tech job advertised recently, but it was 160 miles away

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<Lns>

for instance my one school district took the plunge simply based on my recommendation as an outside consultant..took me 2 years to get 7 schools online, but it happened

13:09

<ball>

...it's not practical for me to drive 320 miles every day

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<Nubae1>

Lns: u must be quite the salesman... so far I've only managed to convince 2 schools :-(

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<Lns>

Nubae1: nope..i convinced the district IT director. =)

13:10

And he was already a Linux/Apple guy, so... =p

13:10

it was the easiest sale ever

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<ball>

Lns: ...it doesn't hurt that MacOS X comes with an X server ;-)

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<Lns>

ball: yup, though it's modified enough to make it hard to work seamlessly

13:11

What I think really helps is that if they have existing computers w/Windows/whatever on them, simply change the BIOS to boot to the network and set up an LTSP server. They can switch back and forth at their leisure

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They won't feel as intimidated if they can revert to their "working" setup as things progress

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<Nubae1>

yeah thats really true

13:13

thats the sales pitch for small businesses too

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no need to change everything

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<Lns>

yeah... get them used to the idea mentally

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<ball>

Lns: how difficult is it to set up an LTSP server though?

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<Lns>

ball: not difficult at all. It's an install option on Ubuntu Alternate CD

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<ball>

Lns: if I have an Ubuntu Server box with two NICs, can I have it serve terminals on one interface and connect to the Internet on the other?

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<Lns>

ball: sure

13:16

ball: you can also do a 1-NIC setup, just depends on how you want the topology to flow

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<ball>

I would rather go with two Ethernets, to keep the terminal data off the general LAN

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What's the first document I should read to learn about setting this up?

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<Lns>

ball: are you planning on using ubuntu?

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<ball>

Lns: Ubuntu Server, at least to begin with.

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<Lns>

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP

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<ogra>

!ubuntu

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<ltspbot>

ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall

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<Lns>

ball: I'd use Ubuntu Desktop and just install the server kernel+headers

13:18

ogra!

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<ogra>

Lns!

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<Lns>

ha

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<ball>

Lns: must I?

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<Nubae1>

ball: no, but its easier for sure

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<Lns>

ball: no, but you'll need to manually install the desktop environment after the server install. It's the same stuff, just a different config

13:20

ogra: how's life?

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<Nubae1>

discovered chandler today... nice little calendar/todo program

13:20

<ball>

Okay, because I was hoping to use Xfce, with the normal Xfce desktop, not the Xubuntuised one.

13:20

<ogra>

Lns, busy ... nearing release :)

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<ball>

I suppose I could try Gnome

13:21

...for the purposes of this exercise.

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<Lns>

ogra: nice. Those things just keep popping out like. every 6 months or something! =p

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<ogra>

thats an illusion :)

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truth is we're all slackers and only change the color ;)

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<Lns>

ball: nothing wrong with using xfce

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<ogra>

nobody notices :P

13:23

<Lns>

ogra: =p~ yeah I finally saw Jaunty a couple weeks ago, the bootsplash was different..i was all "ooooo!" haha

13:23

besides the fact that everything worked much better :)

13:23

<Nubae1>

yeah new login screen is kinda nifty

13:23

<ogra>

yeah its a lot new bling

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<Lns>

I definitely like the artists doing the work a lot. Every release looks great, and it doesn't change drastically at all (COUGHwindowsCOUGH)

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<ogra>

yeah, we have a bunch of new teams ...

13:25

design ... desktop experience ... usability ...

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<Lns>

I kinda wish the compiz advanced settings were installed by default but that's such a small thing...i couldn't think of anything else that I had to do manually =p

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<ball>

Does LTSP support Xvideo?

13:29

...perhaps only on cards with video hardware?

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<Lns>

I forget who asked yesterday regarding multi-head LTSP clients... but here's the article I was looking for that talked about it in Ubu Jaunty: http://www.stgraber.org/2009/03/31/ltsp-past-and-future

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<_fang>

hello all, i'm using ubuntu intrepid and installed ltsp using the standard procedure (aptitude install ltsp-server-standalone. the server boots fine, i can get to it via xdmcp and ssh, no problems. when i pxe boot with my client, it gets the kernel image and begins to boot normally, i get to the ubuntu splash screen and then it freezes. if i check the daemon.log on the server, i can find the follwowing: nbd_server[xxxx]: Read failed: Inappropriate ioctl for de

14:02

i also tried using nfs, but got another error. i'm intending to use nbd, so i didn't bother with that at all

the clients X keeps flashing (like connecting and disconnecting) and the server log says that it is receiving connections

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but won't go past it

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<vagrantc>

_fang: that sounds like a problem with X configuration

14:11

_fang: what sort of thin clients are you using?

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<_fang>

gxfb 0000:00:01.1: could not find valid video mode

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<Lns>

_fang: see if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting helps you at all

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<_fang>

i got this on the client

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<Lns>

ah

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* vagrantc wonders if it's a geode

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<_fang>

it is =[

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<Lns>

*ding ding*

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vagrantc: you just won a new CAAAAR!!

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I thought geode stuff was fixed in the ibex

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* vagrantc has no use for a car

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<_fang>

what's up with the geodes?

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<vagrantc>

some of the geode chipsets are not well supported by recent versions of X.org

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* vagrantc just got a geode thin client yesterday ... just need to upgrade the ram to see if it works at all

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<_fang>

hmmm

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so, there's a chance that it won't work at all??

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<vagrantc>

_fang: maybe try forcing the video to use vesa: XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf

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<_fang>

okay, i'll do it

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: session selection definitely isn't working in debian

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: since debian's testing release is in such flux, i'll see if i can get it to work on the stable release.

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might be other unrelated problems.

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<_fang>

vagrantc: i still have the same problem with the change in lts.conf

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anything else i can try???

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<vagrantc>

_fang: i'm not real savvy with the whole issue ... did you look at the page Lns mentioned a while back?

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<_fang>

yes... the only problem i got on the X logs is that /dev/fb0 could not be opened (no such file or directory)

14:46

the same problem if i try to X -query 192.168.0.1 :1

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<Lns>

_fang: did you disable the bootsplash like vagrantc said earlier?

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that was a big issue with the geodes

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<maginot>

guys, Im having some problems with /tmp dir of client ... after open from firefox some PDFs I'm receiving an error telling that the I need to specify an application (this is already done in mozilla preferences) if I go to the /tmp dir I can see the file there with the user ownership but with 400 mode after deleting those files firefox open the pdf without problem (open with evince)

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<_fang>

yes. and also used some parts of the link you sent to enable root access and try to find some hints. i got the fb0 stuff, trying to google to find something, but maybe if someone else knows some pointers ;)

14:56

maybe setting vesa on the boot lines?

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<Lns>

_fang: using XSERVER=vesa (or whatever it is) should do the equiv

14:57

if Gadi were around he'd probably be able to tell ya

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<_fang>

already did it

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<Lns>

_fang: have you done all server and chroot updates?

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<_fang>

what chroot update you mean?

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<Lns>

_fang: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot

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<_fang>

ltsp-update- images and kernel

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<_fang>

Lns: i'll try it then

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* Lns continues to love wikis

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<Lns>

write once, read many ;)

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_fang: remember to replace instances of "Hardy" with "Intrepid"

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such as in sources.list

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<_fang>

roger that

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<jrock2004>

Doing some research on possibly setting up an LTSP server. Is it difficult to set the default X-Windows used?

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<jammcq>

hello friends

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<_fang>

something just hit me now. i'm using a somehow old kernel with ubuntu (2.6.20). should the image have the same kernel version²

15:16

?

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<Guest23642>

I have one client and it's just started booting in 800x600 resolution when before it was much higher (and useable). Same monitor on server but resolution is fine

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card in client is nvidia but it's never been a problem before

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<jhai1>

Is it possible to get access to a local CD or usb drive from an ltsp client?

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<vagrantc>

jhai1: yes.

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!localdev

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<ltspbot>

vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev

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<jhai1>

Thanks. I'll have a look at those.

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<Lns>

_fang: do you have -updates enabled??

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<_fang>

vagrantc: i'll ask something based on what jhai1 asked. is it possible to use something like a webcam or those fingerprint scanners on a client?

15:30

Lns: just enabled, i'm rebuilding the image

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<jrock2004>

is there a way I can switch what window manager is set to by default?

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<vagrantc>

_fang: i'm not sure there's much documentation on it. but surely it's *possible*

15:31

<_fang>

vagrantc: ok! i'll try it later. one thing at a time xD

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<vagrantc>

ltsp5 is essentially running whatever distro you're running on the server. so if it's possible to run on a standalone machine, it should be possible to run on ltsp.

15:32

<_fang>

only if it was that simple xD

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<Lns>

_fang: it's simple, you just have to know how it all works together =)

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<_fang>

that's the point. sometimes i really get lost

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<Guest23642>

I'll rebuild the client see if that works

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<_fang>

this is the first i'm trying ltsp with ubuntu and geodes. i used to do it a lot with debian and some old pentium machines. never really bothered me. but now.........

15:35

<Lns>

_fang: the more you work with it the easier it gets. It's not all that complex, it's just visualizing the big picture

15:38

<_fang>

yup! i'm trying as hard as i can! hehe i learned quite a bit with debian. it was much easier to start with ubuntu because of that

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<Lns>

note to self: never underestimate the flexibility of 'ssh -X'

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg, Ryan52: that last patch definitely breaks working with xrdp entirely, at least for my setup. it seems like rdesktop fails to run at all and/or exits, and it just hangs during login, with the cursor spinning...

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<_fang>

there's really no way to get it working.

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Kernel call returned: broken pipe

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what the hell was that supposed to mean??

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<irvken>

nope, rebuilding the client doesn't work

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how does the client know what resolution to boot in?

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<Lns>

_fang: uhhhh...when does that happen?

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<_fang>

nbd0: queue cleared

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just after taht

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<Lns>

_fang: during client bootup?

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<_fang>

right

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<irvken>

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1120093

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<_fang>

it keeps telling me that it can't find /dev/fb0 any clues on it?

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<vagrantc>

cyberorg: i'm guessing opensuse uses a different setup. i've managed to get crude session selection working by tweaking /etc/xrdp/startwm.sh to read session and language from the user's ~/.dmrc file.

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<_fang>

well, i changed the errors. let's see what comes out of it

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<alkisg>

irvken: X probably doesn't detect your monitor frequency OK. Search the logs for instructions on how to use the X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH options.

i tried to boot with my laptop as a client and got the same error message

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<Lns>

_fang: I'm just guessing at this point but it sounds like something got funked up in your chroot...you might want to consider rebuilding from scratch (and updating afterwards) unless you know what you might have done in there

16:50

rebuilding chroot that is

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<_fang>

Lns: i'll be back to it tomorrow.. i'll try debian instead, maybe i'm more lucky with it =)

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anyway, thank you very much guys

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<Lns>

_fang: good luck =)

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<_fang>

thanks!

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cheers!

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<Lns>

cheers

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<dmarkey>

stgraber: hey, works great, 2 issues though

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when a USB key is yanked how long before it is goes away from /media/root?

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and can the names of the folders be changed in /media/root

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like just usb1 instead of usbdisk-sda1

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Ryan52: Fedora 11's glibc.i586 is broken, so chroots wont work at the moment.

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<k-man>

can i make a ltsp client work over wireless networks?

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<ball>

Does LTSP make any attempt to support Xvideo on terminals that have hardware MPEG?

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(or colourspace conversion)

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<BugsBunnyBR>

!help

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<ltspbot>

BugsBunnyBR: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.