I love Apple as much as anyone. But this is the kind of thing that really pi$$$es me off. I must have a screw loose for having an emotional investment in a company (and I would bet that I'm in good company here), but I can deny that this kind of story upsets me.

Apple freely admits that the app in question doesn't technically violate any of the rules, yet they rejected it anyway. Good grief! Are they begging people to give the Android platform a serious look?!? Despite their incredible head start, this this is the kind of thing that could relegate Apple to an also-ran. I'm afraid to admit that this is the sort of thing that could replay the Microsoft/Apple scenario of the 90s. Perhaps I don't have a thorough understanding of the wisdom behind AAPL's business strategy?

And on a side note: why isn't WiFi syncing included in the iPhone OS to begin with? That it is not-- is infuriatingly absurd! Grrrr!

not quite the same thing, but the HTC EVO coming out in a few weeks is going to allow wifi tethering for up to 8 devices ($30/month). i could see people paying that and dropping Comcast or other ISPs since the EVO will pull in up to 10 GB on the 4G network. heck, if i didn't have kids then my wife and i would each get an EVO and pay for the wifi tethering (we have 4G coming this summer) and stop paying Comcast $60/month . . . in a heartbeat.

AT&T/Apple remind me of the closed proprietary system that i used to hate about Verizon where i couldn't even get my own ringtone onto my phone and was forced to purchase it through Verizon's online system. the Android OS is more open . . . and the OS itself if built on Linux. i am on a pretty strong open source kick lately so i will likely switch to the EVO once 4G arrives in my city.

i appreciated that Apple rejected Adobe's Flash (still seems weird not to say Macromedia's Flash); however, having Apple use the justification of wanting an open Internet when they have such a closed app store just seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

Well your still stuck with Android or MS or Apple (closed group of open source developers)

closed app store just seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

Well over 200,000 apps Sure does not seem (Closed app store) , I mean anyone can develop an app and it certainly looks that way .

People are confusing Closed with Quality control - Remember the whole reason originally .

1 - Find apps in one location - before there were hundreds of apps out there , just no one knew where to find them . Example lets take these 200,000 apps and 2 billion songs and spread those all over the net ? iTunes and the app store is sorta like a Wall*Mart <-- yes you have to use their shopping carts , use their check out systems , get used to their store layout - or you can drive to 5 different stores to get what you need .

2 - Have one place that stores and manages your apps and music what was it before , although this is kinda subjective . I guess the majority of people would rather have a one stop place for everything - others would rather have greater control - to each his own .

Well, both Google and Apple get that it's about user experience, but they get two different chunks.

Apple gets the chunk about the interface, unified user experience, etc - This chunk isn't going away and is here to stay.

Google gets the open chunk, that the more they send you elsewhere, build free wifi networks, eventually subsidize phones and pads, etc, etc, the more and more you go back to Google products and advertising - This chunk isn't going away and is here to stay.

carp, when you compare Android to Flash then you're missing the boat. Android source code has been completely released to anyone in the world who wants to download it and work on it. while it's true that Google has a huge hand in Android, they also stopped owning it years ago. technically, the Open Handset Alliance is the group developing Android (and other open source solutions for mobile devices). and the Open Handset Alliance is really a consortium of a bunch of businesses including Google (and Google pays a few people to work full time on Android). but it's still open source and free. you could develop a new phone tomorrow and install Android on it for free. if you didn't like something about Android then you could download the code and make the tweaks you want for your device and nobody would stop you.

quality assurance . . . sure, Apple does this better than anyone else with their app store (even if we often get examples of apps being denied that seemingly don't violate the terms -- e.g., see the first post in this thread). Android users can potentially download some horribly coded applications. i suspect you could say the same thing about buying any product in the world -- we are allowed to make mistakes in what we purchase. if you're a casually savvy phone owner (and many people using Android are beyond ignorant, i'd guess) then you can wait for reviews of products from other users similar to buying products from Amazon.com and make more informed decisions on your own. i like that. the Apple store uses that system more or less anyway since you can still get very buggy apps from the Apple iTMS.

i suspect a lot of people do want porn on their phone, carp. porn is still wildly popular on the internet so it's no stretch to think that many end users would download porn-based applications. Apple doesn't even let the user decide . . . and this has nothing to do with quality control. i don't need Apple protecting my kids; i can handle that on my own.

Android isn't proprietary, but apps that you download on an Android device can be (e.g., Flash is available).

i'd agree with you that the whole cell phone industry is a joke. charging as much or more for ring tones than a single costs on the iTMS. charging for text messages when watching a single YouTube video on your phone uses thousands or millions of more data than a simple text message that potentially costs me 15 cents to send. WTH is that? there really aren't a lot of ways we can force their hands. if we want an iPhone then we're really stuck with AT&T. it's hard for me to speak with my wallet if i want an iPhone. that's really crummy for consumers.

Well, it's not a technical issue - It's something else ( Steved ) - Cross-compiled Flash runs as Obj C and Apple has wisely never argued they suck batteries quicker, and they approved a lot of these before the policy change.

Whatever it is, at the end of the day it's good for the old media guys, "helping" them in a way that doesn't process with Apple - They will have to burn their boats or die, because they aint gonna make it with blessed cheezo glorified PDFs. Oh, of course, on a site with wrapped stuff on an Android pad, you can either do nothing ( and suck battery ) or just cross-compile and have cool rich interactive stuff running natively , or burn the boats.

So, on one platform your choices are burn the boats or die, on another platform you have three choices.

So, in a weird perverse way, this is good for old media, the guys that this Apple stuff was supposed to help, and help them it will, but just not how anyone thought it would unfold. With any luck, most old media will crash and burn. Or this bites Apple in the arse

Thank you, Apple

Ed

Everyone's all concerned with preserving stuff - Sometimes stuff must be destroyed and Apple's a great wrecking ball. I don't know how happy they'll be with Apple-branded reconstruction, but hey, that's the Pied Piper's price

I don't think I compared Android to Flash ? At lease I could not find out where I wrote that ?

AnywayI do agree that Apple does have a heavy hand on quality control .

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Apple doesn't even let the user decide

<-- I agree

However when a user downloads an ?

1 - Battery draining apps - Apple gets the blame for lousy battery life2 - Buggy software - Apple gets the blame for buggy OS its Apples fault and they field the service call3 - Porn apps - Apple gets the blame for allowing that in the store

Just a few examples of why Apples heavy hand , not to mention that iTMS and app store is new to the Apple Business model, so their over protective at the start and really not to sure what to do .

Most parents are not like you Sean.Most I suspect don't even monitor their children web habits , so allowing porn in the app store would be a disastrous decision . Apple got slammed over that (Slap the Baby app) and that was not even porn.

i am not sure where my first sentence above came from. let's ignore it. ;~)

there's porn all over the internet. parents know it's the way of the world. Apple could very easily have parental controls built in where you need a parent to unlock the ability to download porn or mature content apps. they could do this easily. since Apple reviews each application submitted they could code mature leaning apps a certain way so they aren't even viewable in the list of apps unless a parent allows it. kids (e.g, 14ish) can't buy an iPhone on their own anyway so even a bad parent has to intervene initially. the default can be to have porn turned off so bad parents don't have to do anything. i am sure Apple could have a system that isn't restrictive for everyone. that being said, i honestly don't care about porn other than it illustrating a point.

Apple already has applications that drain the iPhone. i watch YouTube videos each night right before i go to bed -- to see the top viewed videos each day. that drains my phone faster than just about anything. 3G drains the battery much faster than EDGE, but you also get faster speeds. Wifi on drains the battery faster as well. Flash works on the HTC EVO. that being said, i am extremely disappointed in how YouTube videos run even on my Mac Pro with 8 GB of RAM and fast dual processors. Adobe is really half assing it with regard to Macs. so in that sense, i believe that an iPhone would even have more trouble with Flash . . . so this one is not that big of a deal to me.

Apple doesn't control the quality like one might expect when evaluating every application that appears in the app store. for example, here's a list of 30 apps with bugs right now (and this isn't all inclusive -- it's just a quick Google search): http://www.iphonebuglist.com/last30.php

I think the problem with iTunes is that it is sorta family oriented - really all you need is an account number and that establishes your age . Teens today I assume they use their parents accounts to buy music , unless they have their own credit cards

Parental controls blocks web sites , I am sure Apple can somehow block certain parts of iTunes . For example give teen a account number thats different from parents and tell iTune that this account cannot go to (app porn store) could work . Keep in mind that teens are pretty smart and can find ways to break in or simply get ahold of parents account number . Then Apple will get the blame again.

The 100% guarantee way , is to not have any porn at all .

Battery drainersCorrect , but people know certain things like Flash , YouTube , watching movies yada yada - Are already (Known battery drainers) you have to be brain dead to not know that - Its when you down load something like (Spank the Baby) or any other small app , then it drains the battery , people start to think its Apple problem . Like the guy with the Flash Light app , he thought he had 5 hours of use

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Apple doesn't control the quality like one might expect when evaluating every application that appears in the app store. for example, here's a list of 30 apps with bugs right now

30 out of 200,000 is pretty dang good if you ask me - Try and imagine if Apple lets anyone upload an app for sale at the store , sorta simply like a youtube upload might have 500,000 apps by now with the reputation of (The Crap Store .)

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