George: (Chuckle) You're a good guy. Anyway,
tonight our guest is Alan Watt. He's a profound thinker in many fields of
secret societies, parapolitics, the occult. And he's done such in-depth
research, but he's mainly a truth seeker. And he has a site,
cuttingthroughthematrix.com. If you go in there, all of our listening
audience, go in there right now if you're on your computer,
cuttingthroughthematrix.com, and start perusing through his site, and you're
going to dig down in there and find some very impressive writings and
ideas. Alan, how you been doing the last few weeks? Okay, been
pretty busy?

Alan: Very busy. A bit too busy.

George: Tell us, this Cutting Through the Matrix, we're
going to talk in general.

Alan: Naturally, when you're born and you don't question
much about it. And it isn't into you go into the deep books, the old
books, and the history books, and go into the big foundations and so on that
guide the direction of the planet and the cultures, that you realize that
culture itself, everything that you're taught, is taught for a particular
reason, and that's to shape and mold your mind, so that you'll go along in the
flow within the matrix itself, without questioning it. And it's the
reality, the reality that's been presented to you from birth, that you're
expected to swallow without question. That's what it is.

George: So, this is part of the education system and, what,
the religious systems. It's a whole system of ideas that we take on, and
our parents they give us these ideas, they teach us, they, but they're not
knowingly doing this. They're unintentionally, unwittingly conditioning
us into what they suffer from. Is that sort of the idea?

Alan: It's the same thing, and studies have been done, and
it's well known in the right quarters that all mammals, all mammal species look
towards one of the parents, the protector, to warn it and teach it what is
dangerous to it, in particular. And if the mammal does not know, then the
young one will grow up not knowing either, and therefore its worst enemy could
walk right up to it and it would be eaten for instance. And it's the same
with us. If our parents don't know how everything evolved along this way,
or was shaped along this way, then the child grows up thinking it's all quite
natural, and you accept everything as being natural. Right now there's
children, who are seven years of age, who literally have been brought up since
9/11 thinking that the law enforcement they see on the streets in the big
cities, the machine guns, all this is quite natural. And they'll grow up
in a few years to be the first soldiers who've never known a pre-9/11
existence.

George: So there's an evolution here, a debasement of
society, away from freedoms into more of a military state, but it's
accelerating. Do you see the acceleration occurring in this direction?

Alan: There's no doubt. There's not a day goes past
that there's not more information published in either the US, Canadian, British
or French, or other European countries' main newspapers about laws, laws, laws
and more laws. Just a couple of days ago, the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation, the BBC of Canada, announced that a little place south of me, on the
Great Lakes, Lake Huron, they're actually building a 6 foot high barbed wire
security fence all around this little port. And supposedly it's to keep
out terrorists. Now, you're not going to get invasions of terrorists
coming over in landing craft all the way through Canada, from the Middle
East. So it's nothing to do with what they're claiming. The
terrorism is to come from the public, as they start taking this system
down. That's where it's going to come from.

George: So you've got domestic terrorism of the public
itself, by a big government, and military types of units, and the extension of
their powers through this Matrix of Terror, right?

Alan: There's no doubt. See, a long time ago, when you
go into the writings of the top, the psychologists and the behaviorialists who
are funded by the big foundations and became world famous, you've got to take
note of these characters who are built up into a fame stature internationally,
because it doesn't happen by chance. They're promoted to the top by the top.
And the same with Darwin. Darwin would have been a complete unknown if
the big boys at the top hadn't decided to make him a star. Same
thing. Well Skinner for instance, the behaviorist, wrote lots of books,
about human conditioning and how to achieve certain goals with whole vast
populations. And he said that everyone who's alive today – this was back
in the '60s and '70s – is technically insane. Every citizen. So
here's someone in the psychology profession, condemning everyone, every citizen
as being insane because they had antiquated values. They had family
units, which were also antiquated, and they passed on contaminated ideas from a
previous era to their own children. And that was reiterated through all
psychiatric and psychology books and courses, and taught to a whole new
generation of psychologists. And that has been the agenda for a long
time, is to literally create professionals who will be our new
taskmasters. They'll be the new overfuhrers.

George: So it's a battle of ideas. This principality,
these battles of principalities, that is true then that it's ongoing, is it
not?

Alan: It's ongoing because we're living, you see our lives,
we think in such short-term planning, because we live so short a life really,
we forget that foundations were created as far back as the 1800s, big
foundations, under the guise of philanthropy.
Jacques Ellul and other people, big writers, talked about these
foundations, and how they could literally plan something, plan a world three
hundred years down the road and bring it into being because they had their
tenets of belief for that foundation, they could hire and retire men generation
after generation, who would work on a specific agenda, and make it happen, over
the course of one, two, three hundred years, and they have.

George: So it's a steady, it's a steady progressive thing
that many people have devoted their full lifetimes to perpetuating and
extending and continuing. Is that true?

Alan: There's no doubt about it. Adam Weishaupt talked
about it, the foundations, institutions, and it was also set up in Britain and
run from there, still is today.

George: We've got to cut away, we'll be right back
Alan. Thank you very much.

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Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown. And gentlemen,
I'd like to go ahead, and if you don't mind, open up the phone lines. I'm
going to go ahead and, is that okay, with you Alan?

Charlotte: Okay, we'll keep that in mind, and we'll be sure
to have them silenced or muted if you find that it's a problem, okay. 1-800-259-9231. So anyways. Tell
me, so these authors, Adam Weishaupt.

Alan: Weishaupt, it really means wise leader. These
guys chose their names because they belonged to societies. And he was not the beginning of the
Illuminati, because you can look in the Oxford dictionary, it will tell you
that groups that formed around the 1500s called themselves Illuminati, two
hundred-odd years before Weishaupt came along. So going down through the
ages, and there's many branches of them, and Weishaupt boasted about all the
techniques to get people in, the useful idiots he called them, that would work
for this particular goal, never realizing what the goal was. Only those
at the top would know the real agenda.

Charlotte: Sure. Now, could it be fair to say that a
meme is I guess a smidgen of information that is generational information or
cultural information? A packet of cultural information that's
communicated down I think, it's called a meme.

Alan: It's almost familial. It's through families too,
that the information and the agenda is passed on, very wealthy families, but
it's also through the big institutions. We take them for granted, because
we think they're philanthropic organizations. And yet, they've been
exposed before, when they've done investigations into the agendas of these big
charitable organizations. Now, I'm talking about Rockefeller foundation,
the Ford and the Carnegies, and a whole host of them in Britain as well, and
across the world. And it was the Reece Commission that did investigations
into them back in the '50s. And Norman Dodd was sent out to talk to the
heads of these, and he talked to the leaders or the CEOs of these
organizations. And the guy from Ford foundation told him, that their
function was to work and put out culture, snippets of information, ideas
through the media, etc, into the people's minds, so that they could comfortably
merge the Soviet Union with America.

Charlotte: Right. You know, believe it or not, I
believe Charlotte Iserbyt purchased the documents from those hearings.
And if you go to Americandeceptions.com, or you look up Charlotte Iserbyt, and
her last name is spelled I-S-E-R-B-Y-T. Yeah, you know, Alan, I believe
that she actually spent all the money to purchase that. Otherwise the
American history, we wouldn't even have a copy of these documents.

Alan: Well, it is published in books. I think Dodd
himself published it. There's one book called Foundations: Their Power
and Influence (by Rene A. Wormser). That has all of that in that book
as well. And it has a lot more besides that, because it goes into all the
foundations, and they're all interconnected towards this one agenda.

Charlotte: Sure, but wasn't the meeting you're talking
about, the hearings, wasn't it a very negative hearing, that quickly got
brushed under the carpet?

Alan: Yeah, in fact Dodd himself said that, that he was
given the run-around by guys at the top, and he realized that this power and
influence certainly stretched wide and far and very high, and they wanted to
give it short shrift. And I'm not surprised, because he was investigating
something that he was not supposed to really know about, or anybody else was
supposed to know about, that we have a parallel government in existence. And that ties in with Professor Carroll
Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, and his other book too, The
Anglo-American Establishment, to do with the Council on Foreign
Relations. And he also admits right in there, he says, there's been a
parallel government here for sixty years. That meant it began around the
1900s.

George: We see the Council on Foreign Relations now raising
its head or its influence with our presidential candidates. That's quite,
quite prevalent and common.

Alan: Yes, at one time they would take on a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations, never tell the public on newscasts what the
person stood for, what their organization was. You took it for granted it
was some sort of official capacity, but the Council on Foreign Relations is a
private organization. They came out in Canada in 2005, for the first time
as a Council, as a panel, declaring something to the Canadian public, and that
was the first open signing of the amalgamation of the Americas: Canada, U.S.
and Mexico. And they admitted that they drafted up the amalgamation
treaties that the Presidents and Prime Minister signed. So here's a
private organization drafting up treaties that they give to your government to
sign.

George: Yeah. They've given most of the presidential
candidates briefings here in the last few months, I know, on policy issues that
they say. Because what they're doing is
they're dictating through these very clever briefings. You know, they're
saying, you toe the line and this is what we want.

Alan: That's right. And yet, you see, that was set up,
the Council on Foreign Relations is just the American branch of the Royal
Institute for International Affairs that was started off in England.

George: Well, there's also a Chicago group that Michelle
Obama belongs to, up in Chicago.

Alan: There's groups all over. They have their round
table societies as well, that's part of them.

George: I think the one up in Chicago is called Chicago
Council on Global Affairs. And she's a
director of that up there.

Alan: Well, you know, they're actually teaching a course in
some universities in the States now on global governance. You can get a
degree in it.

George: And so they're pushing these Councils and these
Relations, Councils on Foreign Relations as something very good and positive,
and what they're doing is they're power centers.

Alan: Massive. Not just power centers, but they have a
complete picture of what they want for the future, the kind of society they
want, and it's a totally radically different society than the one we have at
the moment. Radically different. They were behind a lot of the changes
that went on in Europe. You've got to understand that the CIA is tied in
with this too, big time, and so is MI6 from Britain, and they guided the
cultures, through the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s up to the present time. They
gave us our fashions, our music. They gave us pretty well everything we
think is normal, and the multiculturalism and so on to get ready for a global
society. All of the things that we take for granted were pushed, planned
by think tanks employed by these groups, and promoted to the public, marketed
to the public, through all media: magazines, comics, cartoons, movies,
newspapers, all of that stuff.

George: It's almost like a cartoon. A virtual
reality. Have you ever seen it in that
way in a way?

Alan: It is, it truly is.

George: It's not real, it's an invention. It's a
concoction into a conjured up system of ideas that are not reality based,
they're created by men.

Alan: What they give us for the future becomes our reality,
because we live into it. We live
through the changes. And because we're the most adaptable species on the
planet, we can go through drastic changes and take it for granted, never
thinking.

George: So, if they give us a script, and we believe
the script to be the truth, and we act out that script, then it becomes the
truth to us.

Alan: That's right.
We work their plan into existence.

George: It's a stage managed play, isn't it? (Laughter)

Alan: It is. It's all stage managed, there's no doubt.

George: I've actually written a musical, but I didn't, but I
knew that that was fiction, right.

Charlotte: Well there's actually a Rush song guys, all the
World's the Stage and We are Merely Players, Performers and Portrayers.

Alan: Shakespeare, yeah.

George: Shakespeare, yeah. Well, he had it down years
ago, centuries ago, right?

Alan: Yeah, All the World's a Stage, and We are But the
Players.

George: And each of us must play our part.

Alan: And also, that's why they have a theater of war.

George: Oh, that's right.

Charlotte: That's right, yeah.

George: We've got to cut away here again for a short
break. We'll come back. This is getting interesting Alan. I'm
beginning to enjoy this virtual reality. It's so much fun, isn't
it? We're having fun. Hey, we'll be right back Alan, Charlotte.

(Commercial Break)

George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler, along with....

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.

George: Welcome back, Alan Watt.

Charlotte: I think he went to get some wood chopped, maybe.

Alan: No, I'm here.

George: Welcome back, Alan.

Alan: It's a pleasure, yeah.

George: Okay, in this, you described this process of trying
to bring people out of this delusion, or this system of programming as
de-programming. What is the biggest barrier that you found so far to this
deprogramming process?

Alan: Well, people, you can't just, it's not a matter, in
American society we're so used to fast food, fast everything, drive through
this and it's a matter of time. Because people will hang on to their pet likes
actually, the cultural likes. It's like going up a ladder and they get
stuck on a rung. And sometimes they can't go any further without a little
help. Some will never go any further. They choose not to. You
almost have to give up everything that gave you your whole idea of what you
were, and your place amongst everything. You have to throw it out the
window and be willing to take the chance of maybe even having a complete
breakdown, if need be, and coming out of it. Because you have to throw off
all of the old indoctrinations, and that's not easy. I mean, it's a lot
of indoctrination we've had for our whole lives, you know, and it's ongoing
daily.

George: So your approach is a knowledge based one through
education and then trying to realize, trying to get people to realize at a
higher level of understanding what binds them, what enslaves them, what ideas
are so overwhelmingly addictive and enslaving and limiting.

Alan: You see, the system that we have is not a humane
system, number one. I mean, the U.S.
started off and the founders had the right idea, but they also said the
truth. They said that freedom could only last in such a country if the
people themselves would hang onto that freedom, and it was meant for an
agricultural society, where everyone had his land, his home, and no one could
touch that. No one, no law, nothing could touch that property. And
so they were well aware that if industry came in. You see, Britain
already had industry, and factories going. If industry came in, then big
money powers would move in and take over, disrupt society, move them into the
cities for workers, and out of the chaos that would ensue, they would then
bring up social work departments, all that kind of stuff that deals with the
chaos. They're very good at giving us stuff to deal with
chaos. And those institutions end up having power and laws over us, and
they become overlords too. Well, that's what we have today. And
they decided a long time ago that this system that we're going into, this New
World Order as it's often called. Bush Sr. called it that too. Many
people in the past have called it that. Adolf Hitler called it that
too. It's all the same movement, going along the same road, towards a
scientifically designed, efficient society, including a vast population
reduction, and a society where the workers basically will have no rights of
their own. They will be told what to do. They will be bred for what
they have to do in fact, scientifically, eventually. And you will not be
born unless they have somewhere, some job for you to fill. That literally
is it. They call that common sense planning, the big planners at the top,
and everything has to do with planning. They don't want
inefficiency. Right now, you see, we served their culture well. We
have fought the wars that they needed, to create, to amalgamate the world in
these big business takeovers and that's all wars are about. You're empire
building, it's just business takeovers of one country to the next. We've funded
it. We've provided the manpower for it. We've provided the taxes
for it. And we've made the machines of war and so on, and we can see the
end coming. And they've talked about this fifty years ago. They saw
it coming when the time would come when they were ready for a global society,
they'd have to find substitutes for war, because that's how they kept control
over the people in the past, was the threat of some country or other going to
invade them. When that's gone, they have to find a new enemy, and the new
enemy is the terror within. The whole world will have secret
terrorists. It will be like the Red under the bed scenario, only
global. And we'll all be terrified. And that's why they'll have to
rule us with an Iron Rod. They must maintain control, and they say, now
this was published by one of their biggest think tanks. That was in the
book, by the Club of Rome, published by the Club of Rome. Big powerful
think tank that directs the future, and the ideas that come out of the Club of
Rome are given to other organizations, other think tanks to fine-tune, and then
it's marketed through all the media in the world. All the magazines in
the world market their ideas. And the Club of Rome's founders wrote a
book called The First Global Revolution, published in the early 1990s,1991 I
think. In the book, they said that back in the 1970s, they saw that when
the world was ready and conquered and all the rest of it, and global, they
would have to find a new enemy. And they looked around to find what they
could find for an enemy, and they said that the enemy would be man himself, and
we shall claim that man is destroying the planet and causing global
warming. That's what they hit on. It was an idea. One of many
ideas, but that's the one they chose. And that's what we're hearing
now. We are the enemy. We are causing the problems. We'll
have to reduce the populations. It was planned seventy years ago.

George: Well, it seems like animals at times have more
rights than humans, at times.

Alan: Well, they do. In the Earth Charter that was
fronted by Maurice Strong on behalf of the United Nations and the Rockefeller
foundation, Maurice Strong said to a person who asked about trees and animals,
and he says, you'll wish you had the rights of a tree when we're finished.
Because under the Earth Charter, the animals do have rights, but there's no
rights for us.

George: Boy, that is a very dire prediction. So, what
we're doing here tonight is trying to resist this change, and trying to expose
where we have been planned to head, or the goals that have been set out for
us. Is this what we're doing here in our life's work as it's
unfolding? Is this part of what you're really about, Alan?

Alan: Yes. We've lived through a good part of the
changes, even the cultural changes, the dramatic cultural changes.
Remember, these characters always use the term revolution, and most revolutions
are bloodless. It's only the occasional one here or there that's actually
bloody. And we've had the cultural revolutions. We saw it in China,
remember when they had their Communist Revolution, and they had the Cultural
Revolution to get them updated. In the West, you had the free sex, free
love liberation thing. You had the various gender liberation movements,
which were revolutions, sexual revolutions, they called it. And so on,
and so on, and so on. You've seen all the revolutions carried on.
You've lived through them, but you didn't recognize them for what they actually
were. And it was meant to change a society that would be guided by people
at the top, and they certainly have been. The big foundations, remember,
pay non-governmental organizations, thousands of groups, thousands of them,
that then come forward as a big group, and demand laws get changed. And
the governments are only too happy to oblige them. That's how this system
works. And it's modeled after the Soviet Union, because Soviet meant Rule
by Councils. And in the Soviet Union, because it was supposed to be run
by the people, they had non-governmental organizations, but the Politburo
always appointed the head person themselves, you see. So it's no
different here. You have massive organizations, non-governmental
organizations, who go to Washington and say, look, we've got so many thousands
or millions of members, we demand you change this law. And the government
says, oh, thank you very much, we've been waiting for you to come. That's
how this con game works, but it's directed through the big foundations.

Charlotte: Well, you know, Ron Paul has a remedy for that
called individual liberties and rights, and God-given rights.

Alan: Here's the problem though. We're dealing again
with the mass man, and we've got to understand this too, that we ourselves have
all been affected by the cultural changes. So much so that most people
have no idea what any kind of values are anymore. Talk to someone at
fourteen, thirteen, and listen to what they're being taught at school.
And it's shocking to see the vast difference from one group to the next just
coming out of school. And this was mentioned back in the 1930s, at the
Communist International meeting in Russia, by the head man, who was Beria, who
was charge of it. He was in charge of the NKVD then, that became the KGB,
and all the members came back to the Western countries and it was published in
the newspapers. He says, it used to take us seventy years to get our
agenda through by indoctrinating one generation. One generation at that
time was seventy years. He says, we can now do it and upgrade the system
every five years by getting the children young, and every intake four years
apart, five years, give them a step up further along our agenda. Now it's
every year.

George: We've got to be going. Ron Paul, he's trying
to hold the line on this, and get back to some kind of constitutional
government.

Charlotte: But he's just one man.

George: But we understand where you're coming from.
We'll be right back

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George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler, along with....

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.

George: Welcome back, Alan Watt.

Alan: It's a pleasure.

George: When we're talking about this matrix and this system
of rule and control, you seem to identify these different groups better than
anyone else. There is something, Therefore Thirty, the Club of Rome has a
group called Therefore Thirty. It's for people around Thirty Years of
Age. So they're indoctrinating and beginning to teach a whole new
generation.

Alan: Yes. And everyone is. If you notice, all the
big players that were put up there to guide a world, including Bill
Gates. Bill Gates did not open the doors himself, or open the windows I
should say. You don't get up there unless they open the windows, and you
get up, they bring you up. And a long time ago, during the Cold War, the
CIA discussed this war as being a war of technology. Whoever had the
highest advanced technology would win the Cold War. And they put out
front organizations, real corporations, funded them heavily through various means,
and black budgets and so on, that became big international corporations.
That hasn't stopped. They would never let someone come from the
grassroots with new inventions or whatever that would upset the apple cart if
it was given to the public and could bypass their system of spying on us
all. So they put their own boys in. Now Bill Gates, now, is a top
philanthropist. Another big foundation, you see. And he funds
certain projects across the world. Look into those projects and you'll
see how he's affecting the cultures of other nations.

George: Yes. Yeah, Charlotte take over a second, I
need to plug in my computer. Okay, go ahead, continue the
conversation.

Charlotte: Sure. So, Alan, with regards to these large
groups having to petition the government by their sheer numbers, you know, like
you can't even be taken serious unless you have 60,000 names on a petition or
something like that.

Alan: That's right.

Charlotte: You know, that really disempowers an individual.

Alan: That's an interesting point, because that's the very
point that was brought up a hundred years ago when they debated the meaning of
democracy. They said the time would come when you'd have to belong to a
major group to have any protection, protection is the word they used, at all
from the system. They knew they'd bring us to this stage, and that's
where we are. You're right. You're dead right about that.

Charlotte: And as far as Bill Gates, are you saying, so, did
he originate the technology?

Alan: No, no.

Charlotte: So he was aided.

Alan: I'd say he was definitely aided indeed. An
interesting family lineage too, if you go into it. One of the main
advisors, you see, after the first Rockefeller had the militia out that gunned
down all the miners at the strikes, back in the early 1920s and so on. I
don't know if people remember this stuff.

George: It was up in Colorado I was thinking.

Alan: That's right. And they gunned down workers in
trains even. They just opened up machine-gun fire and just riddled the
trains. And they destroyed the tent towns of the miners. Well, he
got a bad name. And so they said, we've got to remake your name, and make
you into something different. So they brought in the future Prime
Minister of Canada, that's why he got the job as the Prime Minister. That
was his payoff. And they brought in another guy called Gates, you
see. And Gates was a professional in creating image making for these
characters, and he made him into suddenly a great philanthropist for the
people.

George: So he did publicity. He recast him into some
kind of a great benefactor and philanthropist, vs. people that had mowed down
people. They broke that strike up there and killed people. There
were people murdered in Colorado. It was just a terrible thing that
happened up there.

Alan: It was.

Charlotte: Well, I'll tell you gentlemen. None of this
could develop without almost monopolistic control of the media and the
communications.

Alan: Yes. And again, Carroll Quigley goes into that
in great detail, talking about all the major newspapers being owned by the
Royal Institute for International Affairs, and the Council on Foreign
Relations. So that's right on. It's essential they own all media,
because like Brzezinski said, the media is so important. He said, shortly
the public will be unable to think for themselves, they will rely upon the
media to do all their thinking for them. So they could never allow free
press on a big scale.

George: What trends do you see now in them taking over?
The internet is a little bit out of their control, still. What do you
see? Where are they moving to try to restrict our internet freedom of
communication.

Alan: They're already doing it. There was a meeting in
Canada a few years ago with the United Nations in fact that was brought in, to
draft up the laws for the internet, for policing the internet. And
eventually they'll bring down fines initially, and then cut you off if you're
undesirable. They will use pedophilia. They will also use stalkers
and hate mail, and all this kind of stuff, which is actually out there
too. I mean, that's true. They always use the weirdos as the
problem to penalize us all. And that will start to bring it down.
They'll bring it down gradually. But it's already getting funneled, all
the servers are getting funneled into one main trunk eventually. There
will be one company that runs the world internet, and that will be the big
policing force, as well.

George: Well, there was a recent, an individual that
uncovered live editing of Wikipedia citations in there, by large corporate
interests. And they were continuously going in automatically and taking
out and actually redacting in a way, by removing some of the material they
didn't want on there.

Alan: Yes. And I mean, I get hits every day from
intelligence agencies, military establishments, it comes up on my firewall, it
reads out who they are. And there are about four or five large ones,
one's based in Holland, one's in Australia that does the Pacific Rim Region, it
comes up as the Pacific Rim Police, and there's two in the United States.
One is at MIT. And they're already policing the world. These groups
are classed as nongovernmental organizations too, by the way, who were given
permission to try and hack into people's computers for information.

George: Well, there are certain gateways I've noticed of
numbers that you can't track down. So
those gateways are where they funnel that information to intelligence gathering
operations.

Alan: It is. And I talked to one of the top designers
at Dell computers. He's paid big money, this man, because he does the top
programming there. And he said, by law, every computer has built-in back
doors, because they must be accessible by government agencies.

George: Yeah, I'm sure every computer has its own individual
fingerprint.

Alan: It has.

George: And so you can track, when it moves around, you know
where it's going.

Alan: Sure you do.

George: I mean, once you know who's the user, there's email
there, they can, you know, surreptitiously eavesdrop on you anyway, and then
they can put these sleeper programs in that report back to them who you're
typing and virtually observe all of your mail right now.

Alan: They already put chips in the modern boards, the
typing boards, keyboards, that do transmit your letter to them before you even
get it sent.

George: That's nice. So our whole lives can be printed
out, right.

Alan: That's what the real purpose is. If you want to
control society, everyone in that society must be under observation and
predictable 24 hours a day.

George: There was a site over in England one time, and
someone told me, they were working up there, it was someone I knew, and they
were listening to Senators talk in their offices to other Senators. But over in England they were intercepting
their conversations through satellite systems.
And that was a long time ago.

Alan: Well, you can imagine what the NSA can do.

George: Oh, they're listening to everyone.

Alan: Yes, they are.

George: So, what you're saying is the war now is against
individuals. In other words, individual terrorists, domestic terrorism
right?

Alan: Yes, and they keep expanding the meaning of it.
That's the beauty of putting a law on the books. It's always put on with
a plausible explanation and reason initially. Anything can be, you see,
initially. But all laws, if you go through the history of the legal
system, tend to expand and expand and expand to encompass so much more than you
thought it was designed to do. It actually was designed to expand, that's
why they put these things on the books.

George: Alan, have you gotten into any of this?
Charlotte has made, you know, some major contributions to exposing some of this
electronic voting. Have you looked at any of that lately?

Alan: I get bits and pieces of it, and I mean, I'm not
surprised. I watched an election here in Canada, on television a few
years ago, and I saw them reversing the votes from one MP to the other in a
split second. They literally reversed their votes.

George: Yeah, they just dropped off the screen. I've
seen that here locally. We were down
here watching television one time, down at an accounting session of constables
and counties, and you know, officials, and all of a sudden it went from 1500 to
1000 votes, and what was that? And I think that's recently that they've
had stuff up in New Hampshire. But there's people in there looking after
that, right now. We've got to move out of here right now, for a top of
the hour break. Alan, it's getting better. Charlotte?

Charlotte: Yes, George?

George: We've got to move out here for the top of the hour,
but we'll be right back, okay.

Charlotte: Okay, see you on the other side.

George: Okay, babe. Bye, bye.

(Commercial Break)

George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler, along with....

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.

George: Alright, welcome back, Alan Watt.

Alan: It's a pleasure to be here.

George: We've got Dana, on the line. Are you ready to
take a call?

Alan: Sure.

George: Dana, what is your question for Alan Watt?

Dana: Well, I have a couple of statements first, and then I
have a couple of questions. Is that okay?

George: Yeah, go ahead. Tell us what's on your
mind.

Dana: Okay. I don't know if you listen to the news, I
just heard one again a while ago while you were on break, from Bush's speech
yesterday, I think he was drunk. If you listen real close, his words are
terribly slurred.

Alan: I heard that, yeah.

George: He's on medication also, so that can cause slurring
also, medication can.

Dana: Well, that's true too, but I find it kind of
interesting that his words were so slurred. And the other comment I
wanted to make was, this is the first time I've listened to your particular
show, on GCN, and I didn't even know you were around, but I don't usually
listen to the talk shows on the weekends, but I find your show very
interesting. And I love the title. Now, what I wanted to ask your
guest, he mentioned the book earlier that was printed in 1991, and I didn't
have a pen and paper handy to catch the name of that book, where all of these
projected foundation mind control ideas were set out. Does he remember
what I'm referring to?

Charlotte: Alan Watt is our guest's name.

Dana: Alan, what is his name again?

Charlotte: Alan Watt, W-A-T-T. And Alan has actually
published a few books of his own, but Alan is on the line here, so we'll let
him talk for himself. Alan?

Alan: Yes, the book you want to get, it was put out and
published by the Club of Rome, and it's called The First Global
Revolution. They tell you right in there, they looked for causes that
they could bring up to unite the world with a common enemy, and they thought,
and they looked at a few different, they even thought about the UFO scenario,
could they terrify the public with an invasion from outer space, would that
work with enough propaganda, and then they settled on creating the idea of
global warming, and they would use that as an excuse to control the people and
society.

Dana: Well, Alan, what I have heard you say tonight, I just
turned 60. So, I grew up in the baby boomer generation, which to me is
mind boggling how things have changed compared to what my comfort zone is, and
what I'm used to. And what I find you explaining gives some insight to me, as
to why sometimes when I talk to people, about bills or anything else over the
phone, they lack common sense, and they answer like they're reading from a
script. Like their brain can't commute and get on the page with me about
what I'm talking about.

Alan: I know. I know exactly what you mean.

George: It's like parroting. We have become parrots.

Dana: Yeah. Right, and it's so frustrating. You
know, you end up slamming down the phone, and just getting frustrated. Because you can't get them to relate on the
page that you're on, and I'm finding this now even happening with people around
my own age, and I'm going, what is going on? Am I the only sane person
left? Is it because I don't eat out at fast food places all the
time? What is going on that this has become more prevalent?

Alan: What's interesting is, you see, there is such a thing
as culture creation and culture guidance, and the science of it goes back to
Plato. Plato talked about it 2300 years ago, how the elite would always
create a culture. He said, if we want to, we can change that culture and
all of its values and morals, upside down in one generation, and the last ones
to notice will be the ones who live through it.

Dana: That's where we are, aren't we? This is where
baby boomers are, because this generation is just not, it's like the twenty and
thirty year olds, are just, they are lost.

George: They have been dumbed down, and they've been
overcome by the wrong ideas. Very debased thinking.

Alan: They have nothing to hold on to. You see the family structure is almost
destroyed. That was one of the tenets that they said in psychology many
years ago. They would destroy the family unit. That was the big
chant through all of the psychiatric and psychological industries, because they
were promoting this from the top. They'd destroy the family unit, and
then the State would be in charge of the conditioning of the child.

George: The inmates have taken over the insane asylum,
Dana. They used to be inmates, and we
used to be able to have them, you know, under control. Now they escaped,
and they're in control of the insane asylum, the inmates are.

Alan: Yeah, the psychopaths.

George: They're psychopaths.

Alan: They're psychopaths at the top.

George: Yes. The psychopathic thinking on the highest
levels is so profound that it's tragic.

Alan: It is. It's awful. It's terrifying to see
very well. You see, it's one thing to be a psychopath, it's another thing
to be born into family dynasties of them who have the financial backing and the
powerful friends to make their ideas work. That's the problem.

George: Yeah, a poor psychopath is not as terrible as a
really rich one, you know.

Alan: That's right.

George: A billionaire psychopath, you've got problems with
those people.

Dana: Well, there's one more thing Alan, that I wanted to
point out, and you probably know about it maybe in some of your writings,
too. Is, when I was in graduate school at Texas Tech, about 12 years ago,
there was a lot of crossover from undergrads taking graduate classes that were
taking also International Law courses.
Now, I think that is a big signal. Listening to what you said
earlier, I remember that, and I thought, that adds an under the cover title of
what they were doing with these people, these students, younger students,
teaching them international law. It fits right in with what you're
talking about.

Alan: That's how far back it goes. You're right
on. They said that they'd rear technocrats in fact. They would
choose the brighter ones, teach them, and the ones that were really good at it,
they'd pick them out. And these people actually were brought into the
United Nations to work as high-level bureaucrats, but now they're teaching.

Dana: Absolutely, there was one girl that was telling me she
was applying for an internship that coming summer of 1993, to go to the UN for
an internship towards her international law degree. Because she was going
into law school when she graduated, but she was taking Poly Sci Masters
classes, which was what I was in, Political Science. And I was just
flabbergasted that she had all these doorways open to her. Now it makes
me wonder, with what you said, just exactly who was she?

Alan: As you say, they do have doors opened for them.
It's the same with the Rhodes scholarship. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes
scholar, 200-odd bureaucrats on your federal level are all Rhodes
scholars. And they work. They vow to work to a global
society. That's what they vow to take. So, doors, as soon as they
come out of Oxford, or wherever they come from, or certain Ivy League
Universities, the doors open automatically for them, because they have big powerful
friends now guiding their lives.

George: The political science taught on the university level
does not free us, it continues the state of delusion, where the completion of
truth is never achieved.

Alan: Elihu Yale went into this. He put up the money
for the funding for Yale University, before the American Revolution. And
Elihu Yale, his family were one of the founding members of the British East
India Company, the first big international corporation in the late 1500s.
And Elihu Yale said that they would fund...

Dana: What you're talking about makes some sense too, in why
we have such a hard time getting so much of the public to realize our
government did 9/11. Everybody thinks everybody is crazy that even talks
about that.

Alan: I know.

Dana: And this didn't happen just overnight. It's like
you're saying, Alan, this has been planned and going on for centuries.

Alan: Yes.

George: Dana, thank you very much for your call and your
statements and comments. Call us back again, and keep listening. Thank
you very much. We're going to cut away for another break. Thank
you, Alan. Thank you, Charlotte.

(Commercial Break)

George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler, along with...

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield.

George: Yeah, I believe we have another caller.
Welcome back, Alan Watt to the program.

Alan: Yeah, it's a pleasure.

George: We have another caller on the line. Charlotte,
who is that we have on the line?

Charlotte: This caller is James, from Ohio.

(Dial Tone)

George: James, what is your question?

Charlotte: Well, I guess we lost James. Just so the
listening audience knows, they can call 1-800-259-9231, if you'd like to join
in the conversation briefly. Or if you have a question for our guest and
author, Alan Watt, tonight.

George: Alan, you know that last caller, Dana, I mean there
are people that are waking up, all of a sudden, across the country, across the
world. We're getting callers now from all over the world, and it's almost
like a world freedom movement; have you ever heard it described like
that?

Alan: Yeah, it's in the air. The people are getting
edgy because they see the same plans being implemented at the same time, of
totalitarianism. They see the structures being built all around them.
And they're getting the wind up to realize that something is vastly wrong, and
it's nothing to do with what they're being told is the cause. They know
it's all been built for them. And so they're asking lots and lots of
questions.

Charlotte: Oh, you mean it's not the Islamo-Fascism?

Alan: Yeah, we're just waiting from armies to come across on
camels, and swim across the sea, and up the Great Lakes in Canada, down the
Saint Lawrence, and that's why they're putting all the barbed wire fencing around
Port Hope, Port Huron.

George: I saw a downtown lake last night. There were
frog men attacking it. I think they had snorkel devices.

Alan: I hope so.

George: They had that little pop-in deal. Do you
remember the old snorkels that had the little, it was like a ping-pong ball in
them? Did you ever see those?

Alan: Yeah, I used one.

George: That was the old one, and then where you had to just
put your tongue in there and blow out the water. Remember we went to those later.

Alan: That was the new improved version.

George: The new improved. (Chuckle)

Charlotte: Well, gentlemen. I've got one for
you. What about the supposed lack of security with the nuclear devices,
the supposed suitcase bombs that came out of the collapse of Russia, or the
Soviet Union I should say. And you know, we just had what was it, six
nuclear warheads, live on their pedestals accidentally flown, and
intercepted. And then we've got this lady Cybele Edmonds I guess is her
name, claiming to have inside information. It seems like there is
something going on. Are you guys tracking that in the news, and what is
your thoughts on that?

Alan: There's been some talk about the first one with the
aircraft, it was a bit of a scam, I think. You see, we always get so much
disinformation put out from the top, to keep this hype and terror and fear
going, and keep us all worried and scared. It's difficult to say. I
do know that there are, I've got some clippings from newspapers in the States
here, where there's special teams of helicopters now, scan your cities at
night, and they're equipped to detect the minutest amount of radiation.
And they also have teams of people dressed, often in civilian clothing, walking
amongst you in the cities, and they also have these tiny little devices that
are very sensitive to radiation. So they're already looking for all of
this, all over the place.

George: Yeah, they've had a special response team, even
before 9/11, out of Nevada. It was an emergency response team. It
was a nuclear team that they could deploy anywhere in the country, within just
a matter of a few hours. And they had
that, and I guess they've extended that capability of that.

Charlotte: I mean, how terrifying is that? You
know. The bad guys, you know, are going to put a suitcase nuke in your
neighborhood, you know.

Alan: Well, I think the only bad guys I would worry about
are the bad guys that work in these shadowy secret agencies that work for
governments.

Charlotte: Yes, the false flaggers.

Alan: Yeah, I really do. Honestly, I do. If you
look at the British history, they were famous for this. They caused
problems, blamed someone else, and get everyone fighting. That was
standard policy. And it's never been changed, because why change something
that works so well. So, it's the same thing here. I was talking
about 9/11 the other day to someone, and I said well, regardless of all the
evidence, there's so much evidence there, I said, regardless, the fact is, the
New American Century club it was called. The New American Century club
itself, that was comprised of Cheney and Rumsfeld and Bush and other ones, and
Perle, they published in the 1990s that they would want to take over the Middle
East. They published about Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran and so on.
They also said they would need something on a scale of Pearl Harbor to motivate
the American public behind them for a war. And then you find that
Brzezinski wrote about that too, the same thing, he's a member of the club, in
his book called The Grand Chessboard, also published in the 1990s. Then
2001 comes along, and voila, they get their wish. They win the
lotto. They're so lucky, these guys.

George: Yeah, we've got another caller. Mary Ann, you
have a question for Alan Watt?

Mary Ann: I have a comment and a question.

George: Yes, ma'am, go ahead.

Mary Ann: Alan, thank you for having the courage. I'm
always, my dad died in the Second World War, and that's why history to me is
very important. And in reality, why the Second World War was, that story
is never told the truth either.

Alan: And the victors always write the truth in all eras.

Mary Ann: Then I have another thing which worries me
tremendous. All those young people with the vaccinations and ADD and all
the poisoning of the children. Is it
that the children, that they sought out the extremely intelligent ones?

Alan: Well, we know for a fact that the high private
schools, even in Britain are the same, they don't get the same vaccines for
those children that the rest of the populations get. We know from the
writings as well, of people like Arthur Koestler and Bertrand Russell.
Last week, if you go into the archives on my website, I talked on the air about
comments made in Bertrand Russell's own books, and he was a big player in this
too for global government and a type of society that was scientifically
trained. And he said, they could use all means, he mentioned food, water
and the needle, he was talking about inoculations, to dumb down a public, a
people, so that they would not have the intelligence to rebel in any
intelligent manner, for these big changes that were planned. So they have
written about this agenda.

Mary Ann: What other books can you recommend?

Alan: If you find The Ghost in the Machine is a good
one, by Arthur Koestler. And he worked for, it's now publicly admitted
to, he worked for MI6 in the Culture Creation Department. So did Bertrand
Russell. So did even the one who wrote Nineteen Eighty-Four.
All of the big authors worked in the Department of Culture funded by the CIA
and MI6 during the entire Cold War, and afterwards. They give us our
culture.

Mary Ann: Again, thank you for your courage. And if
you ask, you know, that the vision will given to you, you just get enough what
you can take, but pass it on, and if you pass it on to your family, there is
hope.

George: Thank you very much for your call. Keep
listening and call back again. Thank you very much for your comments and
your call. We've got to cut away here again. We've been getting
some interesting calls tonight, Alan.

Alan: Yes, they are.

George: We'll be right back. Thank you.

(Commercial Break)

George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler along with....

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown. And gentlemen,
I'm going to go ahead and give that number out again, since we're having such a
great stream of callers here tonight. That's 1-800-259-9231. George.

Alan: Yes. I've noticed that. There's been a big
change over the last two or three years. And more and more people don't
want to simply jump in and yell and be terrified and say, what's
happening. They're actually looking into the histories of it, and that's
so important as the last caller said. You've got to know the histories to
understand how we got here, and what the plan for the future is. They
tell you in very old books.

George: What I see also though, just as a feel for the guests,
is that they're over fifty years old, most of these people calling tonight, it
seems like.

Alan: During the week I get younger people too. I get
a lot of mail from young people, early twenties even.

George: A lot of email? Email from younger people.
They're tuned into that.

Alan: And you'd be surprised. Because those
youngsters, as I say, they've had almost all the old system of family and so on
has been stripped away, and so they're naturally asking more questions than the
previous generation, because they have no one left to lean upon or help
them. And so they're asking questions fervently. And very
intelligent questions too. They want to know why this has all
happened. Why this generation? Why are they being given such a poor
education, a limited education? Hardly any history at all. And they
want to know what's going on.

George: So they've been given a very, very subdued, most of
it's what? It's stimulation by the media. Is that what our young
people have been subjected to?

Alan: It's stimulation by the media, but they've also been
given an educational minimalistic system, of groupthink. Everything in
school now is to do with the group. Independence, individuality is
frowned upon, in the group. And it's to make you conform to a new mass
system.

George: It's a new collective that they're nurturing and
building.

Alan: They call it Communitarianism. And that was the
term first used by George Bush Sr. He would promote
Communitarianism. It's the same term now the United Nations is
using. And they're using the same thing in the global governance
committees for their degree at university.

George: So they can herd people around better, I
guess.

Alan: More docile. You can't think for yourself.
You'll be unsure if your own decision is correct. You look to others for
approval or disapproval. And that's how it's all meant to work. You
get social approval or social disapproval trained into you, and that was also
said from the United Nations. They would use that very system from China,
the Model State for the World, on the rest of the planet. And so if the
group disapproves, you'll feel embarrassed, and you want to get back into their
good books, and you'll go along with them.

Charlotte: Or you leave, right?

Alan: That's right. Or you're shunned.

Charlotte: A lot of people leave.

Alan: You'll get shunned.

George: Seems like, you know, when people have a problem,
they say, what kind of a government program can help me? Isn't that the solution, government
is. Not, what can I do myself to overcome my own problems.

Alan: That's very, very important because, at one time, not
so long ago, people helped people. And that again, that bonded real
communities, the natural communities together by helping each other.

George: Friendship. Real friendships.

Alan: Very good bonding. Tremendous bonding and
friendship. I always say that God speaks through people by their actions
of kindness to each other.

George: We've got another caller on the line. Caller,
what is your name? Give us your name and where you're from. Okay,
Darrell in Montana, you're on live now. What is your question or comment?

Darrell: Well, basically my comment is, I've been studying
the metaphysical realm, and I've known of Alan Watt, since I was a wee little
kid. I really appreciate all of his vast levels of knowledge. I
guess my frustration with so-called spirituality and even religion in
metaphysics today is the fact that most of what's being taught, from my perception,
is all basically various levels of black magic.

Alan: Oh, it is. It's Pantheism. They're
bringing back the pantheistic system, but it's not by chance, again. That
whole movement was guided by the ones who gave us the culture. And the
CIA were heavily involved in promoting that culture. If you go into the
book, it's called Towards A New Global Civilization by Mikhail Gorbachev, the
ex-president of the Soviet Union, he's now working for this new party here in
the States. And he's working with the United Nations as well, and he
said, we are creating a new religion of the world, and it must be based on a
form of Earth Worship. You see, Earth Worship fits in well with
depopulation. Bring your population down, and they'll even have voluntary
sterilizations to save the world. It's all to do with a con to get all
the children brainwashed into serving a new system.

George: Darrell, what was your other question? Did you
have anything else to say? Okay, he's off the line. He dropped
off. Thank you. He's what
now?

Charlotte: Jack in Canada?

George: Okay, Jack in Canada, what's your question for Alan
Watt?

Jack: Hey. Good Evening. It's great listening to
your show. I really didn't have a question, I was just going to make a
quick comment. I know that Ron Paul's name came up, and even though I'm
not able to vote in any primaries down your way, but it just occurred to me
that it's not so much that the single man, I've been just fascinated by how
many people are starting to wake up to some of these things that have been, you
know, obscured or hidden from view. So even though, many, many people,
I've noticed this myself over the years, have been very reluctant to even
entertain any of these ideas that Mr Watt is talking about. What's happening
is there's a groundswell going on. I see thousands and thousands, tens of
thousands of people waking up to some of these ideas, which is really
delightful to see.

Alan: It is. If nothing else, all of this stimulates
the conversation which must be had. It must come out into the open for
the first time.

George: Yes, I think the conversation is on a new level, and
it's we're moving towards a greater understanding, awareness, and enlightenment
in the end, hopefully.

Jack: Well, maybe it has something to do with moving into
this photon belt, and some of these other esoteric things that seem to be
hovering around. Because I certainly have noticed, I've been studying
these kinds of issues that Mr Watt has written books on, and I really am a
great admirer of yours Mr Watt, thank you very much for doing this. But
I've found that over the years, most people's eyes glaze over, or they get even
frightened and fearful, if you broach any of these ideas. And I've
noticed over the last year or two, that trend seems to be changing.

Alan: It's also changing, it's changing too because, and
this is how the elite talk about us, too, we're a grazing herd, and we're in a
field, and we don't look up. And the shepherds always work very slowly,
so we don't get spooked. But right now, since 9/11, so much is changing,
all around us. No one can escape the little bits of information that
comes across the news on a daily basis now, on more totalitarian measures, for
something everyone knows has nothing to do with people in the Middle East at
all, or Afghanistan. They know it's all to do with something that's going
to happen right here. And so that's why they're asking the questions as
they build this prison camp around us. They're talking about ID'ing every
single one of us. And even giving us the chip down the road.
They've just introduced a chip, the very chip now is for diabetics. Not
just the elderly and babies at hospital. They now want to put them into
diabetics. They're expanding the reach and eventually we'll all have
one.

Jack: Well, anyway, I'll let you carry on with your
show. Thank you very much.

Alan: Thanks for calling.

George: Well thank you much for your call, and thank you
very much for your comments. We appreciate you calling in. Keep
listening to us.

Charlotte: Yeah, what I have a difficulty with, is because
I'm aware of this also, that there's, when I allow new information, because I'm
bombarded with information, but when I allow new information, I have to test it
to see if it's valid. And so it slows down your whole process to a
certain degree, because you're needing to make sure that you don't incorporate
concepts and ideas and information that doesn't have integrity.

Alan: That's right. I mean, I don't go out into the
outer realms looking for problems or Planet X, or whatever. In fact, I
think a lot of that is put out by the other side, to make us terrified even
more. It's great we're all looking at the sky, while they're building
barbed wire fences round us down here.

George: Well, I have trouble enough Alan, with my own human
nature, you know what I mean?

Alan: Yes.

George: I mean that's the battle. The battle is within
our own issues and conflicts.

Alan: The battle right now is the will, the will of
individuals for an alternate way of living that's not the one that's planned by
the elite because that is death.

George: To come out of this delusional state is the ultimate
battlefield that I see. Hey, we've got to cut away here, we'll be right
back. Thank you.

(Commercial Break)

George: Welcome back to the Secret Truth. I'm George
Butler, along with...

Charlotte: Charlotte Littlefield Brown.

George: Alan Watt, welcome back to the program.

Alan: It's a pleasure to be here.

Charlotte: Gentlemen, George, before we go somewhere
else. You know, it's really interesting the concept of global warming,
because due to the freedom of the internet you get to hear and read just a
tremendous amount of information, and it seems that there's information that
all the planets in our solar system are experiencing a degree of climate
change. So it's really interesting that potentially this information is
accurate. They're talking about Neptune. The moon more precisely,
you know, it's gone up something like, it's experienced like a 5% increase in
it's temperature. Just all over the whole solar system. So, how can
somebody say to us, well you're doing it, when it's happening to the whole
neighborhood?

Alan: Well, you see, we have cycles. I mean, we have
Ice Ages and then we have Warming Ages. And the old schoolbooks that
children got, I got it at school, used to say there was over a hundred recorded
Ice Ages, because the scientists, you know they drilled holes, they bored holes
in the North Pole and the South Pole and so on. And they could actually
tell through the different trapped pollen between layers, when these Ice ages
happened, how long it took between them, and so, we go through these Ice
Ages. Now what happens between Ice Ages is you warm up, and things melt,
and then you get to a certain stage, and it goes back again. And so you
have ups and downs all the time, and that's the natural rhythm of our cycle
around the sun. And this is known at high quarters, so they're using a
natural phenomenon to terrify us for a different agenda. And to get us to
reduce our population, because the elite have decided the future they're going
to bring in, with all of its sciences and cyborgs and robots, etc, they won't
need all of humanity. We're looked upon as the worker bees. That's
our function according to the elite. They don't need us all anymore.

George: We've got a few more minutes for taking calls.
1-800-259-9231. I think one of the points you were trying to make Charlotte,
was maybe the sun is the most influential one.

Charlotte: No, that we better keep the internet free.
(Laughter)

George: Well, I see the sun though, in other words, they're
trying to make this more local than the sun's influence. And maybe the
sun is having a greater influence than our local pollution problems.

Charlotte: Right, and then when you have, you know, you've
got to consider the motivation of the people making the claims. I mean, you've got a former, you've got a
politician, Al Gore, I mean, I don't doubt the sincerity of some of these
people. And I don't doubt that they really believe that some of, you
know.

George: Charlotte made me go to that, Alan, watch that with
her.

Charlotte: I didn't make you.

George: I'm just kidding you, Charlotte.

Charlotte: Yeah, well, we've got to see what everybody is
doing, so, and I always think it's important to see something if you're going
to talk about it, you know what I mean?
You better know what.

George: No, I enjoyed it Charlotte. It was informative
to a degree. It really was.

Charlotte: I'll tell you who did a good job, was Michael
Moore. I came out of Sick-O begging for Socialized Healthcare. He
just really made it look like it was the cream of the crop. And my
daughters, I took them to see it, and of course we discuss this stuff, you
know, at length afterwards and everything, but they wanted to move to France so
they could live the easy life.

Alan: Southern France, is it?

George: Yeah, there's always three meals out there, right.

Alan: Yeah, and vino with every meal.

George: We're allowed to do a thing for our supper, right.

Charlotte: Yeah, that's one thing my father always would
tell me, always reiterated all the time. You know, he actually conveyed
to me a lot of wisdom, but he loved that one about, there's no such thing as a
free lunch, you know, and these kind of things.

Alan: There's always a deal. There's always a deal,
and the masters make the rules.

George: Even when you got back to primitive societies
though, they had to do something to get game, or to hunt, or to fish. And
they had to expend energy and work to live, to gain subsistence, so, that's the
nature, that's the real nature of our existence is that we do need a certain
amount of substance to continue to live.

Alan: It's nature. See, we're also part of
nature. Here they are blaming us. We have all the rights of every
other creature to live and survive.

Charlotte: You know what, I've often thought that if the
world were allowed to develop in a more natural state than being forced the way
it is, you know, with these trade organizations and these big corporations and
the money creation, you know the international banks if you will, and all this,
that had it not been directed the way it has been, I think it would have
developed into something much more pleasant.

Alan: Yes, yes, absolutely.

Charlotte: And cooperative. Everybody would be
doing. It seems like right now, we've got all our eggs in one basket kind
of. It's like all the tiny widgets come from China, and the....

George: Yeah, but the trade that's occurring because of
internet sales and small businesses is still there.

Charlotte: Well, yeah. That's why the internet is so
important. I think this could be the tool we could grow from, you know,
to not stay, get out of the system. Their system if you will. Not
humanity, not check out of life, or anything like that, but to get out of the
grid there of control. Because you go
down, you make a purchase on your credit card, and they innocently ask you to
verify your address, and you know, what's your phone number and this and that,
and it's like you guys are saying, it's these NGOs, these corporations.
It's not necessarily that the government is collecting it on us.

Alan: Oh, they are too though. They are, as well.

Charlotte: They all are now.

George: Well, there's a partnership between government and
large corporations, let's face it.

Alan: Private.

George: That's it.

Charlotte: And we've already gotten to the place where
people, for example seeking health insurance or life insurance, are being
disqualified because of some medical this or that.

Alan: You're right, and you know that human genome project
that they were doing?

George: Yeah, the DNA.

Alan: They're going to say that you might be, you might be
prone to this or that down the road, and so you can't get insurance.

Charlotte: We've already come to that. It's already come to that. I think
there are people with heart disease and things like this, that they're being
excluded. So it's already coming, it's coming.

George: Well, I had domestic terror genes and they wouldn't
give me no insurance. (Chuckle)

Alan: Oh, no.

Charlotte: You had what?

George: I had domestic terror genes, and they wouldn't give
me any food, right? (Chuckle) I mean,
that's the extremity of it, of the whole insane mess, is it not?

Alan: That's right. In the Soviet Union they had a
designation under psychiatry. They said
that you had inflexibility of opinion. And that was enough to get you
locked up.

George: Well, the DSM 4, what revised, or whatever the
latest manual there for psychologists, don't they have some classifications in
there that are awful suspect of anti-government or something like that in
there?

Alan: There's a whole list in there.

George: Delusion, or paranoia, or whatever.

Alan: Or, a loner, if you like solitude then you're a
possible terrorist. Maybe if you read a lot you're another terrorist.

George: Oh, if you read too much it could hurt your eyes and
you're a terrorist.

Alan: And also, if you read the Constitution to any law
enforcement, you're probably a terrorist.

George: Yeah, if you openly bring up the Constitution when
they stop you then you're a terrorist, for sure, yeah.

Alan: That's a fact.

Charlotte: Well, I'll tell you, there was an interesting
phenomena, I think we all went through in the past, well it subsided, but for
maybe the previous thirteen years or so, but it subsided in the last three
years. It seemed like the government, or the authority would say something,
and then you'd hear the opposite of it, for example, aspartame and these
low-fat diets are good for you, and then you'd hear a dissenting voice saying,
no, it's not good for you, it causes cancer. It was confusing. It
got to the point like, you know, people saying your coffee caused your cancer
or didn't or this or that. And now that we've gone through all that, and
I'm looking back, that was actually people dissenting voices against this
machinery if you will, the authority.

Alan: Also, it was Donald Rumsfeld that was the CEO of the
corporation that made aspartame that got it passed through law.

Charlotte: Yeah, I mean, yeah. And there are still
people that trust aspartame and you know these things like that.

Charlotte: Yeah, they wonder why we've got epidemic
diabetics. Well, these children are getting a tremendous amount of corn
syrup in their diet.

Alan: They've also altered so much of it. You see
they've altered, the GMO foods out there, everything has been altered.
Especially the stuff they push the most. They even altered your coffee,
you know, ten years ago.

George: A friend of mine looked up and down her street one
day, and she said, a lot of the children along this street are sick. Now
what is that about? And she discovered that all of these problems of
food, drugs, mercury, you know, inoculations and all that, all that together
has destroyed the health of our children

Alan: We're being poisoned. And to be honest with you,
I think it's a healthy paranoia when you study history you find that was part
of an agenda.

George: Well, paranoia is healthy, is it not?

Alan: It's a survival mechanism.

George: It's a survival mechanism. You bet it
is. I look around, all around me all the time, because there's something
might jump out from behind a tree.

Alan: You never know.

George: Yeah, one of them aliens might want to get me.
(Chuckle)

Alan: That's right, one of these walking lizards.

George: Them walking lizards might get me, boy.

Charlotte: Well guys, we didn't cover, there's so much more
to talk about, to cover.

George: Alan Watt, we need to have you back. We beg
for you to come back

Alan: Yeah, I'll come back.

George: And enjoy our conversation. We love your
conversation. And thank you so very much tonight. And we did touch
a few hearts, I believe, and we answered a few questions. And you really
did a beautiful job in that today.