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Many of the aforementioned hard core users have serious mental problems. They range from internet shut-ins and cyberstalkers to the mentally ill, the delusional, and pathological liars. You really don't want to get to know some of these people.

BMA

These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

The
people who were responsible for the attacks of 9/11 did something so
unbelievable that most people would not believe they did it, even if
presented with conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they
also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.

In
the end, there is always the comment by those who would discredit the
research and the evidence that has been uncovered. The defenders of the
official version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the champions of denial. How naive they are.

At the higher levels of government the issue is no longer about secrecy, but about survival.
The extent of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real scenario of
self preservation has arisen. It may well be that whistle blowers fear
the consequences of exposing the truth about 9/11, not to themselves,
but to the nation.

It
is highly probable that they believe that their testimony would lead to
the end of the United States of America as a viable power.

In
this worst case scenario, the good people in our government and in our
intelligence community may really fear that America would never ever
regain its credibility in the world, and would never again be respected
or trusted. They may envision a terrible time when the United States
would relinquish its leadership position in the world and sink to the
position of a rogue nation that had committed an unforgivable atrocity
against its own people for political purposes. If this is so, can
anyone blame them for not coming forward to expose what they know?

A
deep love of country might easily create a dilemma for those who know
the truth. What would happen at that unimaginable moment when a ranking
government official was charged with complicity in 9/11? Would the
nation recover? Could the nation heal after such a huge betrayal of the
trust that has been cultivated and nurtured over our 230 year history as
a nation?

The
people who were involved in 9/11 know that there is more at stake than
their exposure. They already have the blind loyalty of those Americans
who would refuse to believe they could possibly have been involved. .
But deep in their corrupted souls they also have another ace in the
hole. They are counting on the protection of those who fear for the
stability of the nation. They are convinced of their own invincibility and really believe that they will never be held accountable. But they also believe that no one of credibility will step forward to expose them.

How many seriously would say to themselves, I better not spill the beans, because I may damage America standing in the world. These thousands are going to have a deep love for a country that killed on mass its own citizens. Any descent person would spill the beans, and that would have been done at the planning stage before it went any further. If that failed, those involved seeing the actual scale of the carnage would spill the beans. No one seriously would keep their mouths shut because they were patriotic. The truthers if they were successful in proving a conspiracy, would not stop because they are thinking of America. The reason the truthers want to find a conspiracy because they believe it is the greater protection of the country to find out rather than cover it up.

So your arguments for the culprits keeping mouths shut are the same arguments truthers use to open their mouths.

Just change all your script and substitute conspiracy theorists.###################################################as follows

The people who were responsible for the attacks of 9/11 did something so unbelievable that most people would not believe they did it, even if presented with conclusive evidence of their guilt. As a result, they also carried it off, and the evidence be damned.

In the end, there is always the comment by those who would discredit the research and the evidence that has been uncovered. The defenders of the official version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the champions of denial. How naive they are.

At the higher levels of government the issue is no longer about secrecy, but about survival. The extent of the 9/11 crimes are so great that a very real scenario of self preservation has arisen. It may well be that whistle blowers (conspiracy theorists) fear the consequences of exposing the truth about 9/11, not to themselves, but to the nation.

It is highly probable that they believe that their testimony would lead to the end of the United States of America as a viable power.

In this worst case scenario, the good people in our government and in our intelligence community may really fear that America would never ever regain its credibility in the world, and would never again be respected or trusted. They may envision a terrible time when the United States would relinquish its leadership position in the world and sink to the position of a rogue nation that had committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own people for political purposes. If this is so, can anyone blame them for not coming forward to expose what they know?

A deep love of country might easily create a dilemma for those who know the truth.(or the conspiracy theorist who uncover a conspiracy) What would happen at that unimaginable moment when a ranking government official was charged with complicity in 9/11? Would the nation recover? Could the nation heal after such a huge betrayal of the trust that has been cultivated and nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation?

The people who were involved in 9/11 know that there is more at stake than their exposure.( as do the conspiracy theorists) They already have the blind loyalty of those Americans who would refuse to believe they could possibly have been involved. . But deep in their corrupted souls they also have another ace in the hole. They are counting on the protection of those who fear for the stability of the nation. They are convinced of their own invincibility and really believe that they will never be held accountable. But they also believe that no one of credibility will step forward to expose them.(and no conspiracy theorist will expose them)

You do not have a strong case, SRH. I'm sorry, you just don't -- at least, not in my learned legal opinion. Then again, like I've said before, reasonable minds can disagree.

40 things 911 believers don’t want to hear!

1. No fighter jets were sent/911 believers say budget cuts2. The 911 commission has been exposed/government has an excuse3. No black boxes/government has an excuse4. Thermite proven by one side/discredited by the government5. Pentagon videos missing/government won’t release them6. Evidence shipped overseas and destroyed/government gives no reason. If my son was killed and ll the evidence was destroyed by the cops before it could be analyzed I would be pissed. I'm just disgusted by this. Apparently 911 believers are not. 7. Bush and Cheney agree to testify with conditions it was not made public/government gives no reason8. Six of the hijackers being are said to be alive9. Reichstag fire false flag, Operation Northwoods, The false flag Gulf of Tonkin Incident Vietnam. Several war game exercises were being conducted on 9/11/01. Operation Northern Vigilance redeployed northeast sector air defense resources to northern Canada and Alaska. Operations Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian, which simulated hijackings and involved live radar "injects," may have confused military and civilian personnel monitoring aircraft. The National Reconnaissance Office, which monitors satellites and airborne objects, was evacuated while the attack unfolded because it was conducting a plane-into-tower crash drill. The Tripod II biowarfare exercise, scheduled for 9/12/01, resulted in the deployment of FEMA to Manhattan before the attack. 19. Two co-chairs of the 911 Commission believe the commission was set to FAIL.11. American witnesses were ignored by the 911 commission that didn’t fit the government’s story?12. NYCCAN wanted a new investigation and was denied?13. The 911 families for truth have their own experts that can slaughter the 911 believers14. 250 pilots say it was impossible for Hani Hanjour to do what he did? Alleged Flight 77 pilot Hani Hanjour was not up to the task. The spiral dive approach to the Pentagon was such an extreme maneuver that experienced air traffic controllers thought it was military jet. 13 The tree-top final approach skimmed objects in the yard and crashed the plane into the first floor of the building. Experienced pilots have wondered if any human pilot could have executed the maneuver. Hani Hanjour was considered incompetent by his flight school instructors, and was denied rental of a single-engine plane.15. 911 believers fail to mention is that, given the prevailing technology in September 2001, it was extremely difficult, if not impossible, to place a wireless cell call from an aircraft traveling at high speed above 8000 feet.16. http://stj911.org/press_releases/NIST.html Scholars and Family Members Submit Request for Correction to 9/11 NIST Report. Gaps and inconsistencies reveal fundamental flaws in NIST's building collapse analyses.17. The United States government funds the National Institute of Standards and Technology.18. Stock trades bet on the fall in share values for the two airlines whose planes were used in the attack.19. The alleged hijackers partied at topless bars and drank alcohol, despite being portrayed as fundamentalist Muslims20. No video, of any of the 19 hijackers at any of the three originating airports of the four flights, has been made public, except for a video allegedly showing hijackers of Flight 77.21. None of the four flight crews radioed Air Traffic Control about hijackings in progress.22. None of the four flight crews punched in the four-digit hijacking code.23. The success with which hijackers allegedly took over four jets with knives and then piloted the jets to small targets is simply miraculous.24. None of the four flight crews were able to stop the alleged hijackers, in spite of several of the pilots being Vietnam veterans.25. None of the alleged hijackers were good pilots, yet the three buildings were hit with phenomenal precision.26. Despite normal intercept times of between 10 and 20 minutes for errant domestic flights, the airliners commandeered on 9/11/01 roamed the skies for over an hour without interference.27. On 9/11/01 three skyscrapers were totally destroyed, with structural collapse primarily due to fires given as the explanation. Fires and bombings have never before or since caused steel-frame buildings to collapse.28. The Twin Towers exploded into dust and shattered steel, a behavior inconsistent with the known behavior of steel structures outside of explosive demolition.29. The Pentagon, the heart of the military establishment of the world's greatest super-power was hit after ample warning without being protected by any defensive action.30. The Pentagon is within 11 miles of Andrews Air Force Base, which apparently had two combat-ready fighter wings on 9/11/01.31. The 9:37 pentagon strike was well over an hour after the first signs of a hijacking and 34 minutes after the South Tower strike confirmed that an attack was underway.32. The portion of the Pentagon that was attacked, the West Block, was in the process of being renovated, and so was at low occupancy.33. The 9/11 Commission advanced a new timeline, which contradicts NORAD's earlier timeline and the testimony of military officials to the Commission itself.34. Despite the worst failure in history of the military to protect American civilians and the worst alleged engineering failures in history, there were no consequences for the responsible authorities, and no honest investigations.35. Investigators were not allowed access to Ground Zero.36. Investigators were not provided with the blueprints of the buildings.37. The 9/11 Commission Report failed to even mention the destruction of Building 738. The 9/11 Commission Report denied the existence of the Twin Towers' core structures.39. When presented with evidence of explosives, NIST has done the opposite of investigating: It has denied, evaded, changed the subject, and produced straw-man arguments.40. The FAA banned firearm possession by commercial pilots’ two months before the attack.

The evidence is overwhelming. If there was a trial, bush and cheney would be found guilty, the NIST would be exposed, and the 911 commission would be exposed. Kapono, I’m sorry man, I don’t want to be rude to you because you’ve been nothing but respectful….but I think 911 believers have a denial disorder.

F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But
NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the
officer directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't
know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a
destination." Because the hijackers had turned off the plane's
transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their
radar scopes for the primary radar return. American 11 struck the North
Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still
trying to locate the flight, word reached them that a plane had hit the
World Trade Center.

Radar data show the Otis fighters were airborne at 8:53. Lacking a
target, they were vectored toward military-controlled airspace off the
Long Island coast. To avoid New York area air traffic and uncertain
about what to do, the fighters were brought down to military airspace to
"hold as needed. "From 9:09 to 9:13, the Otis fighters stayed in this
holding pattern.

In summary, NEADS received notice of the hijacking nine minutes
before it struck the North Tower. That nine minutes' notice before
impact was the most the military would receive of any of the four
hijackings.

"The evidence is overwhelming. If there was a trial, bush and cheney
would be found guilty, the NIST would be exposed, and the 911 commission
would be exposed. Kapono, I’m sorry man, I don’t want to be rude to you
because you’ve been nothing but respectful….but I think 911 believers
have a denial disorder."

###########################################You start off the evidence in trail, and the jury hears your opening statement, point 1. Your case collapses at the first hurdle. The jury sees all the boxes of case papers that you brought in, and immediately with your opening allegation you lose the jury, case closed

Nope I miss spoke. I should have said NO fighter jets were sent to the right places.

NORAD Stand-DownThe Prevention of Interceptions of the Commandeered Planes

It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times.

There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.

Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001.

The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.

Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions.Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.

Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.

Failures to ReportComparing NORAD's timeline to reports from air traffic control reveals inexplicable delays in the times the FAA took to report deviating aircraft. The delays include an 18-minute delay in reporting Flight 11 and a 39-minute delay in reporting Flight 77. The delays are made all the more suspicious given that, in each case, the plane failed to respond to communications, was off-course, and had stopped emitting its IFF signal.Failures to ScrambleNo plausible explanation has been provided for failing to scramble interceptors in a timely fashion from bases within easy range to protect the September 11th targets. Fighters that were dispatched were scrambled from distant bases. Early in the attack, when Flight 11 had turned directly south toward New York City, it was obvious that New York City and the World Trade Center, and Washington D.C. would be likely targets. Yet fighters were not scrambled from the bases near the targets. They were only scrambled from distant bases. Moreover there were no redundant or backup scrambles.New York CityFlight 11 had been flying south toward New York City from about 8:30 AM. Yet no interceptors were scrambled from nearby Atlantic City, or La Guardia, or from Langley, Virginia. Numerous other bases were not ordered to scramble fighters.Washington D.C.

No interceptors were scrambled from Andrews Air Force Base to protect the capital, at least not before the Pentagon was hit. Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert, and is only about 10 miles from the Pentagon.Failures to Intercept

Even though the interceptors were not dispatched from the most logical bases, the ones that were scrambled still had adequate time to reach their assigned planes. Why didn't they? Because they were only flying at a small fraction of their top speed. That is the conclusion implicit in NORAD's timeline.

Otis to the WTC

The first base to finally scramble interceptors was Otis in Falmouth, Massachusetts, at 8:52, about a half-hour after Flight 11 was taken over. This was already eight minutes after Flight 11 hit the North Tower, and just 9 minutes before Flight 175 hit the South Tower.

According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower Impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC. That means the F-15s were flying at:(153 miles - 71 miles)/(9:03 - 8:52) = 447 mphThat is around 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph.At 9:11 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was:153/(9:11 - 8:52) = 483 mphThat is around 25.8% of their top speed.Langley to the Pentagon

The F-16s from Langley reached the Pentagon at 9:49. It took them 19 minutes to reach Washington D.C. from Langley AFB, which is about 130 miles to the south. That means the F-16s were flying at:130 miles/(9:49 - 9:30) = 410.5 mphThat is around 27.4% of their top speed of 1500 mph.Andrews to the Pentagon

Andrews Air Force Base, located on the outskirts of the capital, is just over 10 miles from the Pentagon. One would have expected interceptors to be scrambled to protect the capital within a few minutes of the 8:15 loss of contact with Flight 11. Instead, no fighters from Andrews reached the Pentagon until 9:49, several minutes after the assault.Failures to Redeploy

Fighters that were in the air when the attack started were not redeployed to intercept the deviating planes. When fighters scrambled to protect Manhattan arrived there too late, they were not redeployed to protect the capital even though they had plenty of time to reach it before the Pentagon was hit.Long Island to Manhattan

Two F-15s flying off the coast of Long Island were not redeployed to Manhattan until after the second tower was hit. 3 WTC to the Pentagon

By the time the two F-15s from Otis reached Manhattan, the only jetliner still flying with its IFF transponder off had just made a 180-degree turn over southern Ohio and had been headed for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes. It was still 34 minutes before the Pentagon was hit. Had the fighters been sent to protect the capital, they could have traveled the approximately 300 miles in:300 miles/1875 mph = 9.6 minutesThey even could have made it to the capital in time to protect the Pentagon if they had continued to fly at only 500 mph.

Be serious you post 40 points and say the evidence is overwhelming and the first bit of your evidence does not stand, the answer is that jets were scrambled. The defense asks for a yes or no, you are not allowed to waffle as in your reply post#537, the defense team do not allow that to happen. Period.

When you go to court make sure that you have your facts. Do not say No fighter jets were sent/911 believers say budget cuts. That is a lie under oath.

Welcome to tribe.net, one of the original social networking sites. The first thing you need to know is that it was way better back in the day, and you missed out on all the good times. Nowadays, tribe is but a sad shell of its former glory, and most new members are just perverts attracted to the site by one of its many special interest sexual fetish and perversion tribes.

Many of the aforementioned hard core users have serious mental problems. They range from internet shut-ins and cyberstalkers to the mentally ill, the delusional, and pathological liars. You really don't want to get to know some of these people.

BMA

These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

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