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I initially targeted for a sul because of the wind conditions I'm facing but suls are much harder to trick on... But with uls, I may have even lesser chance to be in the air.... That's my other concern.

Still think you will learn tricks faster on a UL than a SUL. For me 1 day on a UL is better than 3 days with a SUL.

There is a limit to what tricks a SUL can do because they have so little mass. Plus they trick different than UL and Standards, so one you learn a trick normaly then you have to relearn how to do it on a SUL Plus some tricks can't be done on a SUL

Flying in Light winds is a skill. With practice you will be able to fly in very light winds with the right UL. This is MUCH MUCH lighter winds than your current kite, so you may be flying you UL much more than you think.

Most flyers in our local group pull out gliders rather than SUL when the wind drops. They find it is more fun and less frustraion.

Due to shipment and such, the cost ends up almost 2.5times the cost of a wm ul. (Exaggerated a little on the 3times). Which brings into picture another two popular kites, the talon ul and deepspace ul... These three are in the same range in terms of price on my point of view, reputable low flyers, and that I will not outgrow that quickly.

In terms of forgiveness level and ease of learning, my gut feeling is telling me it is better to go with wm ul, as the other 2 are out of new learners' comfort range. Is that feeling right?

Due to shipment and such, the cost ends up almost 2.5times the cost of a wm ul. (Exaggerated a little on the 3times). Which brings into picture another two popular kites, the talon ul and deepspace ul... These three are in the same range in terms of price on my point of view, reputable low flyers, and that I will not outgrow that quickly.

In terms of forgiveness level and ease of learning, my gut feeling is telling me it is better to go with wm ul, as the other 2 are out of new learners' comfort range. Is that feeling right?

For low wind ability. I don't know about the deepspace UL. I have a standard. I'm sure someone else can chime in. The Talon UL has a smaller sail and does not fly as low at the WM UL .

As for either ones suitability as a first stunt kite I'm sure you will get a range of oppions here.

For me the WM UL is the safest best IMO. But this is a personal choice as it really is what works best for your flying style. (a little hard to determine since you are just starting.)

The Talon UL is my favorite kite, as it matches my person style. However, I'm not sure how much I would have like it when I first started. Back then I liked full size kites (well I still do)

The Deepspace is not a precision kite but a smooth flyer. It's trickabily is not a good match for my skills. It likes to roll out of one trick and into another, sadly I still do most of my tricks one at a time. . But my favorite kite for the TAZ

One other option would be the freestylist UL. It is a good budget kite in the $200 range that fly as low as the WM UL.

Hi JJ,Where do you usually fly.? If you look around in our tiny island, there are some trick flyers. If the winds blowing from south do drop by East Coast Park (carpark D1) there are guys flying there almost everyday. I'm sure they 'll be glad to help you.If the winds are from North, we'll probably flying in the fields around Punggol.

BTW, save up for both Widowmaker STD and UL . I'm sure you learn faster as you could fly all year round with those two.

Hi JJ,Where do you usually fly.? If you look around in our tiny island, there are some trick flyers. If the winds blowing from south do drop by East Coast Park (carpark D1) there are guys flying there almost everyday. I'm sure they 'll be glad to help you.If the winds are from North, we'll probably flying in the fields around Punggol.

BTW, save up for both Widowmaker STD and UL . I'm sure you learn faster as you could fly all year round with those two.

Oh yea. Not only the ability to test fly some kites, but maybe some free lessons

Once you fly a high end kite, you can see the value in paying more. Plus the air is free so its much cheaper than other sports.

If you look around in our tiny island, there are some trick flyers. If the winds blowing from south do drop by East Coast Park (carpark D1) there are guys flying there almost everyday. I'm sure they 'll be glad to help you.If the winds are from North, we'll probably flying in the fields around Punggol.

I heard from another SG flier Fred that fliers gather at ECP D1 often, but due to other commitments, I don't see daylight often during weekdays. I believe it's difficult to fly at night, esp with the lighting at ECP.

How often you fly will determined your progress. Put in more hours and you will be able to adjust what inputs are needed for certain tricks when you change kites few minutes.

Here a suggestion:zero wind - indoor glider (iflite,emong ... etc) or Focus kite - Echo ( for some dual line flying) Widowmaker UL Widowmaker STD ( get windbrakes for those high wind days) and if it still pulls like a cow get a Revolution JB series Full Vent.

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