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Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
[Fwd: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft]]
[Fwd: SR-71]
Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments
Re: F117 on static display...
This and that
Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Re: This and that
Re: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Re: This and that
[Fwd: SR-71]
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:02:35 -0500
From: "Tom C Robison"
Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Terry Colvin sent:
Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
"...the new Lockheed-Martin space shuttle
[National Space Plane] and the B-2 [Stealth bomber] both have
electro-gravitic systems on board;" and that...the B-2 can switch to
antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world
without refueling. ...that the F-117A _also_ has hybrid propulsion
and lift technologies, utilizing
conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but
switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range,"
and etc.
Is this a belated April Fool's joke, or a head start on next year?
===================
and Ryan Kirk wrote:
"Maybe they weren't refueling the F-117. Maybe they were just hooking it
up to one of those super-secret electricity machines."
Or recharging the flux capacitor, perhaps? Was there a wild-eyed
white-haired old man in a white smock nearby, and a kid on a skateboard?
==================
and Patrick Cullumber wrote:
"Either I was viewing a non Warp engined version or they had a secret panel
which opens up somewhere in the cockpit revealing the controls to the Warp
drives."
Perhaps it is a thought-control device, a'la the Firefox!
_________________________________________________
Tom Robison
tcrobi@most.fw.hac.com
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:18:19 -0700
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Subject: [Fwd: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft]]
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From: "[UASR]> Perry van den Brink"
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Subject: Re: [UASR]> [Fwd: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft]
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[U A S R]> UFO's-, ALIEN's-, SPACE- RESEARCH MAILING LIST Perry van den Brink"
Dave Pigott wrote:
At 9:32 am +0100 1/8/98, Terry W. Colvin wrote:
> >Dr. Boylan,
> >
> >This fellow would like CV on your doctorate. Can you provide?
> >
> >Terry
>Terry,
>
>Richard Boylan's PhD is in Psychotherapy, but he was struck off some time
>ago for activities incompatible with his professional position (there is a
>web page with the judgement and detail of the offenses somewhere, but I
>don't have it to hand at the moment.)
>
>Dave
Hello Terry, Dave and all,
To read about Boylan go to UFOMIND at :
http://www.ufomind.com/people/b/boylan/
and
http://www.ufomind.com/people/b/boylan/dispatch/
Happy reading :-)
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:58:34 -0700
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Subject: [Fwd: SR-71]
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Gang,
While at Sheppard in 71 there was an SR-71 that came in and was parked
way out away from the hanger. It was roped off and had SP's all around
it. I was just curious why an aircraft such as this would be at a
Training base.
I just got off the phone with Don in Texas and we were talking about the
SR-71's, and was telling him about some of the stories you posted on it.
I was especially interested in the speed. I've always wondered about
that. Don was telling me while at Sheppard as an instructor he had the
chance to see the flight logs and 781A's on a blackbird that came in. It
came in from Andrews AFB. Here's the mind blower. Flight time from
Andrews to Sheppard was wheeww, 45 minutes. Boy that motor scooter was
humming. I thought that was very interesting.
Rodney
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:58:25 -0700
From: "Terry W. Colvin"
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 19:24:49 +0200
From: Andy Denne - A.U.R.A.
To: UpDates - Toronto
Subject: Re: Belgium Sightings: Discussion Summaries & Comments
> That's how you go from flap to flop.
> This is science.
> Please add this to any future synopsis you make on the Belgium
> UFO flap.
>
> Serge Salvaille
Serge,
I'm glad someone brought this up. To be honest it's quite
amusing to hear all the American specialists on the Belgian
flap. See, I used to live in the most southern part of Holland
VERY close to Belgium at the time of the flap,and me and my
family had several sightings ourselves. Now I know that no one's
going to say: "Oh well, if you say so and saw it..." right now
;-)
But I strongly doubt these things were made by one of our own. I
suspect this for following reasons: First of all the absence of
any sound. Then there is the capabilty of these objects to stand
still in mid air, rotate around its own axis and accelerate to
enormous speed at once, from a stationary position.
One of the eye-witnesses there with us, is the Head of the
Eurocontrol Educational Centre, the european Air Traffic
Control. We were (and still _are_) absolutely certain that
whatever those things were, there weren't ours. But there's
another thing that bothers me in the Secret Aircraft Hypothesis:
These objects were seen over Belgium and a few over the south of
Holland. If those things were secret aircraft then why would
they test-fly 'em over one of the most crowded places in Europe?
We also must assume they were from the Belgian Air Force, and
that also strikes me as somewhat ridiculous, with what budget
would they do that? If these things were from NATO or even the
USAF why in the world would Belgium spend hundred of thousands of
dollars to try and intercept these things with F-16s? Or does
anyone honestly think they wouldn't be briefed by NATO or the
USAF?
I'm not saying that _all_ triangle sightings are therefore
'unknowns'. But the idea that _all_ FTs are man-made doesn't
really hold up neither. Remember, there are triangle-sightings
(and photos) from as far back as 1966. And these FTs were
spotted above the USSR? Also Stealth-technology? That doesn't go
for me, sorry people!
Andy Denne
(A.U.R.A)
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:02:32 -0700
From: "Corey Lawson"
Subject: Re: F117 on static display...
>This brings up an interesting question. Has anyone ever seen an F-117 on
>static display? I believe that the F-117 is still highly classified as
Yes, Abbotsford Air Show in '91 or '92, Miramar MCAS air show last year.
And, yes, they have the "double ring" security... two layers of rope
barriers
with security patrol in the middle.
Now, does anyone know what the B-2 like, unpainted fiberglass molding is
up at the March AFB Museum? When I saw it, it was outside on the south
side of the building...
>far as the public being able to "inspect" it. Last year I took a tour of
>the Skunk Works on the day of the air show at Edwards, and they were
>fueling the F-117 to fly in the show at Palmdale airport on the Air
>Force's property. As soon as our big white van got in the vicinity of
>the plane they immediately closed the gates to the area the F-117 was
>inside and sent out guards and patrol cars to keep us away. And the
>F-117 was not even on display at the show, even though the B-2 was (with
>several guards with M-16's around it). I think the F-117 is a lot more
>classified than people think.
Yes. They probably don't want anyone touching the plane. All those finger
prints on matte black finish would be hard to get rid of. Yeah...That's
the ticket.
>Maybe they weren't refueling the F-117. Maybe they were just hooking it
>up to one of those super-secret electricity machines.
>Ryan Kirk
>StratusNine Productions
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Corey Lawson
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:42:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Lednicer
Subject: This and that
In regard to the SR-71/YF-12/A-12's top speed, a friend inside the
SW tells me that the world's fastest air breathing man is Darryl
Greenamyer, who did M=3.6 on a test flight. The fastest air breathing
woman is Marta Bohn-Meyer, who flies back seat in the NASA SR-71s. I
don't know what her personal fastest is, but it can't be much more than
M=3.2.
Yes, JSF is on the floor at the SW, but so is Darkstar and JASSM.
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: dadams@netcom.com
Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
> Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
> after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to
> antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world
> without refueling.
>
> I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a
> Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A
> _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing
> conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but
> switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for
> lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe
> in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend
> light around the airframe).
Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with
these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed
imaginations of UFO religious cult members?
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:18:09 -0700
From: "Terry W. Colvin"
Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Dean,
These were forwarded along with the others from the TLCB list
as fillers. No insult intended. There are a few nuggets of
good information from the TLCB posters; the Dr. Boylan posts
are another matter. FYI, some members of the UFO lists are
neither ignorant nor cult members. The "wide-eyed imagination"
implies all of these folks are not skeptical. The truly cult
and New Age posters are taken to task by the more academic
list members. Why stereotype when life has no absolutes?
Terry
dadams@netcom.com wrote:
>
> > Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
> > after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to
> > antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world
> > without refueling.
> >
> > I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a
> > Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A
> > _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing
> > conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but
> > switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for
> > lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe
> > in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend
> > light around the airframe).
>
> Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with
> these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed
> imaginations of UFO religious cult members?
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 15:38:23 -0500
From: gregweigold@pmsc.com
Subject: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
The list has been awfully slow lately, and these are kinda amusing....
Greg W.
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Subject: Re: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
Author: "Terry W. Colvin" at INTERNET
Date: 8/3/98 12:18 PM
Dean,
These were forwarded along with the others from the TLCB list
as fillers. No insult intended. There are a few nuggets of
good information from the TLCB posters; the Dr. Boylan posts
are another matter. FYI, some members of the UFO lists are
neither ignorant nor cult members. The "wide-eyed imagination"
implies all of these folks are not skeptical. The truly cult
and New Age posters are taken to task by the more academic
list members. Why stereotype when life has no absolutes?
Terry
dadams@netcom.com wrote:
>
> > Source: Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
> > after taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to
> > antigravity mode, and, I have heard, fly around the world
> > without refueling.
> >
> > I have also heard, and deduced for myself after inspecting a
> > Stealth F-117A fighter at Beale Air Force Base, that the F-117A
> > _also_ has hybrid propulsion and lift technologies, utilizing
> > conventional thrust for public take-offs and landings, but
> > switching to antigravity mode for extended cruising range, for
> > lightning-fast maneuverability, and for shrouding the airframe
> > in invisibility (by having its local counter-gravity field bend
> > light around the airframe).
>
> Yeech... why must you keep insulting the members of this list with
> these ridiculous examples of the extreme ignorance and wide-eyed
> imaginations of UFO religious cult members?
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:41:52 -0700
From: patrick
Subject: Re: This and that
At 09:42 AM 8/3/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote:
>
> In regard to the SR-71/YF-12/A-12's top speed, a friend inside the
>SW tells me that the world's fastest air breathing man is Darryl
>Greenamyer, who did M=3.6 on a test flight.
What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104???
patrick
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:21:51 -0700
From: patrick
Subject: Re: Re[2]: More on B-2 Stealth bomber as antigravity craft
At 03:38 PM 8/3/98 -0500, gregweigold@pmsc.com wrote:
>
> The list has been awfully slow lately, and these are kinda amusing....
>
> Greg W.
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
A stealth pilot told me he flew an F-117 to an air show in England and
while on static display there a man came up and asked him if this was the
plane that came out of the mothership.
patrick
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 03:42:47 GMT
From: betnal@ns.net
Subject: Re: This and that
On 8/3/98 12:41PM, in message <3.0.1.32.19980803124152.0074db24@e-z.net>, patrick
wrote:
> At 09:42 AM 8/3/98 -0700, David Lednicer wrote:
> >.
>
> What ever became of Greenamyer and his F-104???
>
> patrick
>
If I remember, he built it, was flying it but had gear problems returning from one
of his flights so had to eject.
Art
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:25:42 -0700
From: "Terry W. Colvin"
Subject: [Fwd: SR-71]
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From: "Cook, Howard"
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Subject: SR-71
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:39:30 -0400
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Gaggle
When I was at Kadena my next door neighbor was a crewchief on the
"Habu" (that is what it was called on Okinawa). Another friend worked the
A/R shop on it. I got to go over to the Habu Hangar twice as a "family
member". Way Cool!
The nose can be changed for a particular mission, i.e., camera or
radar (that's all they would admit). The mission equipment bays are along
both sides of the foreward fuselage, hinged compartments swing down for
different mission packages. Behind the GIB was another equipment bay for the
"Group". The Group was a navigation package which included a telescope. It
would align with celestial objects prior to launch. The aircrew wore silver
pressure suits and wore Astronaut wings. The engines were always under guard
as they contained precious metals.
The flight controls had many cable systems within systems. The
wheels were indeed "aluminized" or silvery in color. It was a bitch to
change the center wheel on the main gear.
It leaked (showered actually) when on the ground, until the airframe
and fuel system warmed up, they always had to wash out the hangars after
launch. One time the Habu's were sent to our side of the field after some
guys tried to sneak into the Habu area. One of them was in our hangar and we
didn't have enough drip pans.
The people assigned to the SR at Kadena wore a hat with "3+" on it.
Implying it went at least Mach 3. They never confirmed the altitude.
The speed of sound is 758 MPH @ 68 degrees F (at sea level). The
Concorde can cruise at Mach 2 (1336 MPH @ 55,000 ft.) Mach number depends
upon temperature and therefore altitude. Looking at the design of the SR,
apparently the fuselage and the engine nacelles do not conform with the
"area rule principle" or the wasp waist fuselage (F-105, F-106, F-4, T-38.
etc.) The area-rule and swept back wings were designed to allow the Acft to
go further into the transonic airspeeds while delaying the onset of the
supersonic shock wave. The SR shape isn't designed to cope with the shock
wave (of Mach 3 or 4) in the lower atmosphere.
The skin surface temperature of the Concorde at cruise should be
around 250 degrees F. If the SR could be cruising in excess of 100,000 ft at
Mach 3 (Mach at 100,000 is about 650 MPH) or about 1950 MPH and experience a
surface skin temp of about 600 degrees. Mach 4 at 100,000 ft would be about
2600 MPH with a surface skin temp in excess of 800 degrees F. Mach 4 would
imply to me that they were flying above 150,000 ft. Slowing down for
refueling, landing, etc., would allow the airframe to cool off sufficiently
for us crewchiefs to touch it. Of course the less atmosphere, the less
surface skin temperature.
The power units to start that monster were two big V-8 engines (500
plus cubic inches) in a power cart arrangement. I can't remember if was
electrical or air, but I believe they would drive an electrical generator.
The cameras and the film was still classified, although we were
allowed into the PIF (film processing) to see some samples. Really good
stuff, could be blown up almost infinitely. The cameras were massive,
especially the film containers.
The pilots carried that food in the tube.
David
The Regular Crewchief
It's good to be shifty in a new country.
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