TexasOutlaw wrote:I'm surprised that there isn't much talk about the z wasp; it's a very good disc.

It's a freakin awesome disc! It's a great complement to the buzz too. When most folks are pulling out their Rocs around here, my wasp is out and gliding down the fairway. It's always getting a "what was that you threw?!" response...

Wizard, Roc, Teebird, Wraith-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Addicted since October of '05

My wasp and buzz (and shark, coyote, roc, champ roc, beat roc, and mrv )were replaced by an s element x. That said, the wasp makes it back into my bag on occasions simply because I like watching it fly. It is an excellent disc. I also use it for the wooded courses around here when I don't want to slam my element x into a tree or two.

sleepy wrote:That being said, how do you all feel the Roc and Wasp compare?

they compare like they do on the flight chart. the wasp is slightly more overstable.

Does a beat in wasp fly as nicely as the famous beat in Roc?

for the most part, yes, but the wasp has less glide and are a little more difficult to break in since the d plastic it is in is prone to warping and the z takes forever to break in. the x are domey and are more comperable to a domey roc than a flatter roc.

Is a Z Wasp the closest substitute for a Champion Roc?

closer to a 2001 yes, but with a lot less glide.

Also, if you use a D Wasp, once it beats in is there a need for a Buzzz?

depends how you want to throw it. a very broken in roc/wasp must be thrown hyzer to fly straight. the buzzz is more of a "throw it flat" disc.

sleepy wrote:Also, if you use a D Wasp, once it beats in is there a need for a Buzzz?

The Z Wasp that I have been using for around 3 months has broken in to new Buzzz stability for me. I'm working on a D Wasp now. I never thought I would replace the Buzzz but the Wasp has done it. It allows me to only throw 1 midrange mold. Also, the new D Wasp that I have is a fair bit less overstable than a new Z Wasp. Both discs are 176g. Actually the D has that stupid 175-176g sticker but that's close enough.