Should make for some good devices I personally can't wait until the A15 cores are more common just to see what they can do, 72 GPU cores on the Tegra 4 sound's pretty insane.

Then again Tegra 3 was very impressive on the unveiling as well though and never quite lived up to it. The new Mali GPU's are also quite impressive and will start filtering through this year.

To me it looks like this could really be the year phones start challenging consoles and actual pc's in capability but even if they don't who wouldn't want a quad core A15 and 72 GPU cores in their pocket.

I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out

Color me skeptical. Not on the chip itself -- I'm sure it does what Nvidea says it does -- but on the way it was announced and the prospects for their handheld on the market. Say what you want about Apple: when they announce a new chip they do so in conjuction with a device that will be available within weeks (not a vague "2nd Quarter") and for a purpose that seems compelling to a wide audience, such as running a retina display or streamlining the form factor. My guess is that there are no third-party Tegra 4 devices coming in the near future, otherwise Nvidea would not have introduced the chip with a handheld aimed at a non-existent market (hardcore Android gamers).

As much as like Marek and Madfinger, there's no way that they will attract Vita and 3DS gamers with a freemium zombie shooter -- and in any event the market for dedicated handhelds has been shrinking steadily. I would have been less skeptical if we'd seen committments from major players like Activision, EA, and Take 2. But even then, we've seen what they've delivered for the Vita so far.

It's exciting to see the capabilities of mobile devices improving at such a fast rate. But great gaming requires much more than raw power. You need a real market, one that is willing to pay enough for games to make the large investment worthwhile. I don't see the Tegra 4 changing the dynamics of the market.

Are you implying the Tegra 4 is DOA? If so, be prepared to eat your own words (no offense intended). I have a Tegra 3 tablet, and while it performs worse than my primitive iPad 2 (in today's sense), I have played some pretty cool Tegra 3 exclusives such as Puddle and Auralux.

Color me skeptical. ...My guess is that there are no third-party Tegra 4 devices coming in the near future, otherwise Nvidea would not have introduced the chip with a handheld aimed at a non-existent market (hardcore Android gamers)..

My friend, CES 2013 has not even begun. Take my word for it that at least the three Taiwanese brands (Asus, Acer and HTC) will indeed be showing off Tegra 4 hardware during CES, and it will launch during Q1 2013 itself (before the nVidia gaming console).

Well regardless of what manufacturers pick it up and how powerful it might be on paper or even in real-world performance, few devs want to make games for it. Money is not in Android unless you're sponsored by nVidia or a very, very big name like Gameloft, Madfinger or EA, and even then only a small fraction of their revenue comes from Android. For the smaller devs (mika mobile comes to mind, likewise Crescent Moon isn't likely to port their big RPGs) porting to Android isn't worth it.

So T4 isn't a game changer in the sense that it probably won't solve Android's no. 1 problem, which is that few want to make games or apps for the platform.

Well regardless of what manufacturers pick it up and how powerful it might be on paper or even in real-world performance, few devs want to make games for it. Money is not in Android unless you're sponsored by nVidia or a very, very big name like Gameloft, Madfinger or EA, and even then only a small fraction of their revenue comes from Android. For the smaller devs (mika mobile comes to mind, likewise Crescent Moon isn't likely to port their big RPGs) porting to Android isn't worth it.

So T4 isn't a game changer in the sense that it probably won't solve Android's no. 1 problem, which is that few want to make games or apps for the platform.

Sorry for sounding brash, but you are taking an elitist stand on this. Have you used Android devices before? Do you know people who game on Android?

I will be the first to agree iOS gaming is leaps and bounds ahead of Android, but iOS gaming cannot progress much farther. For Android, the progress is near-limitless.

Why? Because you have native controller support, are easily able to plug in your tablet/phone into the TV via HDMI, can play cloud-streamed games and have innovative products such as gaming tablets, handheld console and traditional console/home media boxes.

Besides, Android gamers have a penchant to spend too...though at the moment it is much lesser than iOS despite having more total users.

Personally, the problem that is holding back Android gaming is Android itself. I mean, putting a Tegra 3 (or any currently available quad-core Android device) next to an iPad 2 which is over 20 months old, and the iPad 2 will put any Android device to shame.

Android is unstable, inherently laggy and I have yet to meet a SINGLE GAME that runs smoother and on a higher framerate on Android as compared to an iDevice.

Tegra 4 seems to be some awesome tech that'll likely be totally wasted on Android shitware just like Tegra 3.

I want to believe, but fool me once, shame on you, fool me four times and I run out of idioms to use.

I understand that you run the show around here, but isn't "shitware" a nasty word to use? I was asked by a fellow member here to use good language or else face the ban, but yet you go around saying such words and spewing hatred to another platform.

Just a case in point: if I used "shitware" in a context to put down the iPhone 5 or iPad 4, would I be banned?

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