post by BenSix of Back Towards the Locus
Here’s an interesting picture. On the right is Markus Beisicht of the Pro Köln movement, in the centre is Petra Edelmannova of the Czech Národní Strana and on the left is Fillip Dewinter of Belgian’s Vlaams Belang party. They’re at the Anti-Islamisation Congress, demonstrating unity against the fearsome Mosque-constructing hordes…

The Národní Strana (or, National Party) have been in the news recently, issuing a promotional ad that’s luridly blunt in its bigotry…

The camera panned over dishevelled and dirty-looking Roma women and children, before a voice-over said ‘we call for final solution to the gipsy issue’.

There were also slogans on screen such as ‘Stop black racism’, ‘No favouring of gipsies’ and ‘We don’t want black racists among us’.

Their “final solution” ultimately aims to deport Romanis to India. That message is portrayed in campaign materials that demonstrate, among other things, a lusty disdain for subtlety…

Pro Köln is a German campaigning organisation, which opposes the apparent “Islamisation” of Europe. Formed from a clutch of hard-right activists, it enjoys a firm relationship with the National Party, sharing a confidential meeting to discuss “forms of the direct cooperation“. They’re also on friendly terms with the BNP: inviting Richard Barnbrook to address one of their periodic demonstrations.

The Anti-Islamisation Congress was convened this year by Cities Against Islamisation, which includes representatives from Pro Köln, the National Party, Vlaams Belang and numerous others. This unity of the hard-right showed, rather conveniently, the lengths to which they’ve folded xenophobia into the debate regarding Islamism.

We are tired of the Arabic and Turkish writing on the front of shops, windows, and products.

We are disgusted by the ritual slaughter of animals.

We do not want any Islamic symbols or food or hijabs in our schools.

We want the Islamisation of our towns and districts to stop

Europe, my dear friends and comrades, is indeed a continent of castles and cathedrals, and not of minarets and mosques.

That’s his stirring climax?That Europe is a continent of some buildings, not other buildings?Fucking hell,that’ll get ‘em rushing to the gates of Vienna.

What thispetulant drivel reveals is not a defender of liberty, boldly struggling against those who’d constrain it, but a stale, bigoted monoculturalist.

We’ve seen this before with Geert Wilders, whose “appreciation of our many liberties” quickly descended into “binding pledge[s] of allegiance“, “national identity” lessons and “legally binding contract[s] of assimilation” for “every member of a non-Western minority“. We can see it with Dewinters’s attacks on a mythical, monolithic “Islam”…

Islam is like a cuckoo which lays its eggs in the European nest, and multiculturalism forces us to nurture these Islam-eggs…

Islam wants to dominate all of Europe, and it uses mass immigration as a terrifying weapon…

“Charles Martel forced Islam back at Poitiers in 732 , and in 1683 near Vienna, Islam was again forced out.

“And if it is necessary, then for a third time we should also force Islam back to the place it belongs, namely the far side of the Mediterranean Sea.”

To claim otherwise shows one to be a demagogue, and Dewinters et al. are certainly demagogues, more keen on the “strong, clear and aggressive” response that they envisage than understanding, either of others or of the situation that they claim to be drawing attention to. Obviously, that’s also true for Griffin and Edelmannova, whose stated political concerns are just coy, winking performances.

That they and others have so successfully adopted these ostentations is a measure of how poorly mainstream debate regarding Islam – if, indeed, it can be dignified thusly – has been conducted: generalising, fearmongering and exclusionist. Indeed, that debate has found it far harder to integrate Muslims than most Muslims have found it to integrate into society.

I wonder how long it will take the HP Sauce commentor trolls to get here.

Do you think they click on this site every day, hoping someone will post something that gives them an excuse to spew forth, or do they sit around on search engines typing in key words and forget the last time they were here, between attacks?

Hey-y-all.
Photographs showing Vlaams Belangs Filip Dewinter with Pro-Kolns Markus Beisicht,in front of what appears to be a neo-Nazi demonstration have been circulating the web.
Actually (on closer scrutiny) the banners behind Dewinters are from Antifa,Antifascistische Aktion,a violent Leftist group.( Not the kind of movement Dewinters would be welcome to:)
The Photo is a fake.
The real photo shows Dewinter and Bersicht on the roof of the Flemish Parliament in Brussels.
Manfred Rouhs,a Pro-Koln member of the city council,is not a neo-Nazi.
Here is a statement from Rouhs.

” Our growing reputation in the middle of society has also made grow the hatred of dhimmi parties and left-wing groups against Pro Koln.
We are democratic patriots,strictly defending our constitution and the freedom of speech and expression.
We defend our Jewish people against the growing anti-Semitism of Muslim Immigrants in Germany”.
Markus Weiner of Pro Koln says
“The German neo-Nazi -Szene attacked Pro-Koln as “Zionizsts” and “men of the system”.
The prominent German neo-Nazi party NPD attacked Pro-Koln also declaring the group to be their main enemy.
Pro-Koln has no neo-Nazis in prominent positions or even as members.
The real neo-Nazis in Germany hate Pro-Koln because of their positive relationship to Jews,Western immigrants,democracy and human rights.
Pro-Koln has many Jewish members,including one of its officials ;MIcheal Kucherov.”

Its funny all this you know–Malmo in Sweden and the Tennis championships invoving Israely players.
Once again the Islamists,Nazis and the Left join forces to disrupt it and as in Germany the police are instructed to stand passivley by in the face of violence.
It was this reluctance by the police in Koln at Pro kolns first demonstration where they were attacked by Nazi-s and Lefties that has shocked many Germans into reálizing that democratic rights and freedom of speech are under threat.

“Everyone with a public profile is a hundred percent ” on message ” because of the “aspirational” adoption of elite orthodoxy by the middle class.
“To be progressive is to be elite”.
This is why it is an “Ideological Cast”.
You can only belong if you submit ,and you have no career if you think for yourself.
The elites are afraid to listen to others opinions and face the harsh reality.
This is leading to anti-Semitism as they grovel for oil and finance for western banking.

We are given semi-psychriatric labels for our recalcitrance—prejudice,paranoia,living in the past , irrational.
We have been labelled and do not need an explaination.”

I believe the above quote is aimed at western goverments.
@byGuest
The E.U will stop at nothing to prevent the secession of Flemish Belgium from the Nation and the E,U. as they have demonstrated by dragging the party through 6 legal prosecutions,5 of which found them innocent except for the last one,and then it was only possible by changing several legislative points of law and changing part of the Belgium constitution.
Further “black ops”to be expected in the future concerning just about anybody connected with Anti-Isalmification.and anti-E.U.( Having morphed into the same thing )
If the Left can,t stand up against the revival of 14th century Christianity wearing a different hat,then someone else,less bordereless,international and utopian will come along to fill the gap.
Never thought I,d see the day when the only tyranny around was the “Tyranny Of NIce”.

“Photographs showing Vlaams Belangs Filip Dewinter with Pro-Kolns Markus Beisicht,in front of what appears to be a neo-Nazi demonstration have been circulating the web.”

Indeed, and it’s conspicuously absent from my post.

“The real neo-Nazis in Germany hate Pro-Koln…”

And yet, they consistently extend invitations to groups such as the BNP and the National Party. Indeed, they attempt to foster “forms of…direct cooperation” with them. If they were the lambs that you present them as, they’d have to be remarkably bad at spotting wolves; especially as the NDP, which they profess to oppose, uses near-identical promotional materials to Edelmannova’s Party.

It is , and it is,nt ( a grand imperial monolithic consciousness) I know that,you know that,and even ( the enemy ) the counter-jihadists know that.
We all know , thank Zeus,that Islam is not like –Der Fuhrer waiving his hand and a billion minions jump on the shovel.( At the moment )
But while we are discussing,what a monolith,consciousnes,movement is,is,nt, and just how centralized,and conspiratorial and seditious is, or not–in relation to Communism;Nazism, and 14th century Christianity,perhaps it would be more productive to examine the effect present and future that this monolith,non-monolith,conscious or completely unconcious entity has and will have on our democratic,liberal, tolerant ,—political,social,and economic fabric .

I don,t believe in the argument of “symmetric opposites”.
Some kind of either or argument , like “Ah-ha we did it , you see we have just proven that some Anti-Islamist group has exhibited racially inclined tendencies,which means that the problem is not Islam,but some primitive, racial hysteria or perhaps evil, power mongering individuals, manipulating the ignorant masses for their own personal gain.”

So there,the problem is not Islam,because Islam doesn,t really exist. It has no Head Office. Its just a figment of our imagination.
And then comes the “moral equivalence” Timothy Mc Veigh—see we have nutters to.
And then we have the ” cultural relativity”–Islam is just one more culture and all culture are the same, infact our culture is despicable and we must atone for the sins of our fathers.
The thing I love about ” progressives” ( I hate the pretentious title ) is the platinum-gold plated guarantees we are given,that there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
They claim the demographic projections are misleading because,just like us ,the birth rate will fall.
That just like other immigrants to western countries,they will merge into society.
I propose this; Your assurances cost you nothing if your wrong, but i can,t say the same for western society.
There is I percieve one paradoxical similarity between the left and the right concerning this matter,in that they both hope you assumptions are correct.

” An interesting angle is how much of this far right networking has been supported by American right wingers,through groups like the International Free Press Society:”

Fascination question. I believe I.F.P.S was founded by a Dane called Lars Hedegaard, following the Danish Cartoon circus.
´The main concern of this organisation seems to be the ever increasing relentless attempts to restrict freedom of speech in western society, in deference to a tiny-iditty-bitty minority of a highly sensitive privileged religion. (Under pain of threats,violence and dry petrol pumps ).
These restrictions demanded at the last U.N meeting by the (57 member state O.I.C )
“defamation of Islam “.
Met with theatrical , protest by our goverments–for our benefit,but followed by sly wink and a nod in the other direction. ( Sharia Finance for the Right Wing Corporationists )
And met with a deafening silence from the entire..non-American,non-right-wing,progressive movement.
I would be more worried if nobody was bothering at all.
Infact if it wasn,t for organisations like I.F.P.S..nobody would..certainly not Liberal Conspiracy.

IN 1995 there was a ministerial meeting at the highest level in Barcelona,with representatives from all E;U nations; the European Council and from Morroco,Algeria,Tunisia; Egypt; Israel;Jordan ; Lebanon and Turkey ( population 280 million ) with the specific aim of integrating ,starting 2010 ,these countries into th E.U.

The amount the E,U is now sending to these countries to improve their infrastructure would be substantially increased.
There would be free movement of labour within this sphere.
Govermental,N.G.O:Educational and Media organisations would work toghether to erradicate xenophobia,racism and promote “cultural enrichment” in Europe.
With emphasis on respect for Islam.
This full details of this treaty were available only to those aware of its existence.
By tapping Barcelona Process into their computer.

Norweigan Imam,Asgar Ali, member on the board of the Norweigan governing labour party,and the 36.000 member IT and electronics union,could not oppose death for homosexuals earlier this month,and is awaiting a decision from the “European Fatwa Council “before coming to any decision.

Now you know why the Progress party in Norway are as you say”such a fun bunch”.
If the Norweigan Green Party and Red Party got of their arses, but no,that would be white surpremacist,racism.
Adious.

“Infact if it wasn,t for organisations like I.F.P.S..nobody would..certainly not Liberal Conspiracy.”

Oh dear.

And you’ll have to do a lot better if you want to clean up the image of the openly racist, xenophobic Progress Party.

Although they are trying to be slightly cunning – countering a recent drop in support by proposing legalising euthanasia (although scant details, so it could just be slipping-in an extension of Norway’s previous eugenics programme by the back door). Trying to reposition themselves as “civil libertarians” is a smart move – until some of their representatives open their mouths and start spouting their more familiar lines, of course…

Tucker, your concision stands as an example to all trolls. I applaud you for it.

Journeyman…

“We all know , thank Zeus,that Islam is not like –Der Fuhrer waiving his hand and a billion minions jump on the shovel.( At the moment )…”

We do? Well, this should come as news to, say, Geert Wilders, whose film closes with the words…

“In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe.

In 1989, Communism was defeated in Europe.

Now, the Islamic ideology has to be defeated.”

It should also come as a shock to the makers of Obsession, who featured Walid Shoebat blathering that “Nazism is less dangerous than this Islamofascism that we see today“, and warned of “several Nazi Germanys if they get their way.“

“Some kind of either or argument , like “Ah-ha we did it , you see we have just proven that some Anti-Islamist group has exhibited racially inclined tendencies,which means that the problem is not Islam,but some primitive, racial hysteria or perhaps evil, power mongering individuals, manipulating the ignorant masses for their own personal gain.”

Indeed…but then, I, er, haven’t used that argument.

And then comes the “moral equivalence” Timothy Mc Veigh—see we have nutters to.

Another argument that’s tantalisingly absent from my post.

The thing I love about ” progressives” ( I hate the pretentious title ) is the platinum-gold plated guarantees we are given,that there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

I’d hesitate to call myself a progressive, but if you’re referring to me, well, yes there are many things to worry about: environmental disaster, civil liberties, elite power structures, the expansionism of imperial states, the…am I depressing anyone yet? It’s not up to me to show why I shouldn’t worry about Islamic immigration – or, for that matter, any other kind of immigration – it’s up to others to show why I should.

If all the people who rant about “Islamisation” and the supposed threat posed by Muslim immigration left the country and each one of them was replaced by ten Muslims, I’d consider it very much a change for the better.

First off,Let me say that you are correct in that I attacked a few statements which I pecieved to be typical stances of the left,and not something actually put forth by you which is “bad form ” and unfair. I stand admonished.
Yes I did conceed that “Islam is not like Der Fuhrer waiving his hand and a billion minions jump on the shovel. (At the moment )”.
And to the contrary;Widers draws a comparison between Nazism,Communism and Islam.
The descrepancy between the two statements.I believe takes us into the (once again) – almost abstract “micro–analysis”, as in
What is this assumed threat? What can we compare it to? Is it somewhat like Nazism?,( are they white and wear jack-boots? )
Not like Nazism at all? ,75% like Nazism?Not a threat at all ? Is it a Monolith–Multi headed-semi-conscious entity.? ( sounds like headless chicken paralysis syndrome )
Is there really such a chasm of perception between you and me.?
How can any age of enlightenment defend itself from any threat , when absolute moral untainted purity must be attained before daring to risk any ” discriminátory judgement ,
or condemnation.?( do you remember The word “discriminatory judgement” )

Just out of curiosity. All this anti-Islamist stuff . JIhad Watch / Melanie Phillips / I.F.P.S /
Widers / and adinfinitum. Do you read it or just dismiss it out of hand as all part of a racistic right-wing hate frenzy,because of who knows who.?(Dr Strange Gaffney and how I learned to love the bomb )
Is it at all possible that like me, you have spent countless hours,recieving updates avaialble now to anyone with a computer and in your connection with Liberal Conspiracy, faced with literally a subject that dominates the news with ever increasing
intensity ( globally ),and yet you give the impression of being totally oblivious to it.

“its not up to me to show why I shouldn,t worry about Islamic immigration,or for that matter any other immigration–it;s up to others to show why I should.”

I shall endevour to do my best.

For some reason, the Zen analogy of “one hand clapping “comes to mind here,as if–if we magically erradicated the Islamophobes and Vlaams Belang–political radical Islam would vanish into the mist.
Anyway -best regards to everyone at L.C.
Goodnight.

I’ve read Jihad Watch and Melanie Phillips for the past few months, yes. It’s not always pleasant – rarely for the reasons they intend.

I’ve also had the dubious pleasure of watching Fitna – the best I can say for it is that it’s very short – and posted a review.

“…or just dismiss it out of hand as all part of a racistic right-wing hate frenzy,because of who knows who.?(Dr Strange Gaffney and how I learned to love the bomb ).”

I clearly don’t “dismiss it out of hand” because – and thangs for giving me a gift-wrapped opportunity to spam – I’ve spent a lotof time addressing it. In this very post I’ve dealt with the claims of Dewinters.

“Is it at all possible that like me, you have spent countless hours,recieving updates avaialble now to anyone with a computer and in your connection with Liberal Conspiracy, faced with literally a subject that dominates the news with ever increasing

intensity ( globally ),and yet you give the impression of being totally oblivious to it.”

To answer erratically, I’m not entirely sure what you mean by “connection with Liberal Conspiracy” – I read and comment, and they’ve kindly published this post; that’s it.

Political Islam doesn’t “dominate the news” – although, considering the state of British journalism, it wouldn’t mean much if it did. One of the problems with the “counter-Jihadists” is that they ascribe any immoral or bewildering act by an Islamist – or, let’s be honest, Muslim – to their religion, rather than considering the context. Thus, one can be startled to find that conflicts in, say, Chechnya, Palestine and Iraq are reduced to the same theme. It’s political realism for dummies, and when that clumsiness is stripped away the issue becomes rather less urgent and rather more nuanced.

As for being “oblivious“, well, no. A mere year-and-a-bit ago I saw political Islam as a very grave threat, hoarsely castigating the bearded sharia-considering one and describing Islamism – all forms of it; the whole kaboodle – as fascism. It’s partly that I was a spittle-flecked, generalising fool that’s led me to oppose spittle-flecked, generalising foolery.

How much ideas and ideologies inspire acts is an interesting and very necessary issue, but it’s a debate that demagogues, bigots and entryists should be booted from. Otherwise, the subject becomes – well, has become – fraught with hysteria and shot through with propaganda. Similarly, opposing coercive powers and ideologies is always necessary, but I’m not going to link hands with people who’d just prefer to impose their own.

(If, by that question, you simply meant “have you wasted too much time on the internet” then God yes.)

“For some reason, the Zen analogy of “one hand clapping “comes to mind here,as if–if we magically erradicated the Islamophobes and Vlaams Belang–political radical Islam would vanish into the mist…”

I don’t disagree with you saying “How much ideas and ideologies inspire acts is an interesting and very necessary issue, but it’s a debate that demagogues, bigots and entryists should be booted from.”

But I’d be interested to have that issue on the table here.

And although you argue that there is more “nuance” to be considered when looking at why Islamic people commit violence in Chechnya, Palestine and Iraq – you are right to inidcate that there are likely a range of reasons- but if you factor in the Islamic violence in Philipines, Thailand, Singapore, Germany and etc there is without doubt quite alot that all these people DO have in common, and indeed is common in their public statements.

But you ought to apply the same space for nuance on the other side:, just saying:
“No, unlike Wilders, Dewinters et al. I won’t stoop to eliminationism”
is un-nuanced: from what I read there is clear water between Wilders and the others, as he doesn’t seem to be a fascist at all – (but is certainly not afraid to discuss the issue of culture change via immigration).

Are you saying that the Qu’ran is being mis-understood by the Islamic terrorists around the world? All of them.
You’ve quoted one scholar only, but mainstream islam builds on what Mohammed was (military and political leader), and what he did.
It’s mainstream Islam that he beheaded hundreds of unarmed jewish prisoners. That the theme of violence runs constantly through the Qur’an: reading the New Testament through and then the Qu’ran, it’s very clear that Jesus and Mohammed are polls apart.

There are just sooo many verses on bringing Islam about through violence in the Qu’ran- they are listed elsewhere, but just one:

“(9:29) Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low’.

I’ll try to address your comments more fully tomorrow – sorry I can’t be more coherent at the moment, but the words are merging into an eccentric mass of verbiage …pretty…

Anyway, yes…

“…you ought to apply the same space for nuance on the other side:, just saying:
“No, unlike Wilders, Dewinters et al. I won’t stoop to eliminationism”
is un-nuanced: from what I read there is clear water between Wilders and the others, as he doesn’t seem to be a fascist at all – (but is certainly not afraid to discuss the issue of culture change via immigration)..“

You’re right, to some extent – terms such as “et al” are always clumsy, and I shouldn’t have used it. However, the specific accusations are quite fair: Wilders is, I think undeniably, a bigot and authoritarian; supporting policies such as…

7. Have every member of a non-Western minority sign a legally binding contract of assimilation.

8. We need a binding pledge of allegiance in all Western countries.

9. Stop the building of new mosques.

It’s difficult to see the impositions upon “non-Western minorit[ies]” as anything but overtly racist.

The specific accusation of eliminationism related to…

4. Encourage voluntary repatriation.

“Are you saying that the Qu’ran is being mis-understood by the Islamic terrorists around the world? All of them.“

If you’re referring to the section titled “Intellectual Dishonesty” then no, that’s not what I was suggesting. What I was demonstrating was that Wilders methodically distorted quotes to ensure that they’d imply political relevance.