Sunday, March 6, 2011

[gita-talk] Re: On Development of World Community & it's coming into Existence. YourThoughts?

I read in a beautiful "FOREWORD" written by S. Radhakrishnan in a book called "SAINTS CALL TO MANKIND" by Swami Sharananandji Maharaj which has touched me deeply. S. Radhakrishnan says, "The destructive potentialities of increased scientific power and technological skill can be neutralized only by the development of a world community. If human life is to be bearable, such a community must come into existence. This requires a change in human nature, a great wave of generosity. The world cannot be better than the individuals who compose it. Changes of government or economic systems do not help us to raise the quality of human beings."

We must get rid of our self-centerdness and develop world loyalty. We have to turn to the disciplines of religion for effecting change in human nature, for saving us from egotism, individual and collective of which we are the victim.

Sadhaks, how do we effect such a change in the quality of human beings? HOW? What are your thoughts on a World Community and World Loyalty?

A Sadhaka

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For developing world community, we should train the minds of people, that as our Anatomy,and Physiology are same whether we are Hindus or Moslems or Indians or Chinese, so also we breathe the same type of air or drink same type of water, we are also a world community having same Spiritual Values such as Love, Compassion, Cheerfulness, Equanimity, Forgiveness etc.Most of the scriptures teach these and such other positive values. However, to give shape to these values,an organisation becomes necessary. To remain focussed, these organisations also develope auxiliaries like going to Church,Praying, Fasting etc. Again to remmain focussed, they teach that they should not go to other organisations where Church would be replaced by Mosque or Temple with different rituals. So far it seems correct. Only whether it is Church or Mosque, they should teach them the values of love, compassion etc. and also teach them torefrain from negative parameters like Hatred,Lust,Greed,Revenge,Jealousy,Arrogance etc. This is Universal Dharma and others are sects to facilitate its implementation. If we spread this idea, slowly it will take shape in Human Mind and make it ready to receive this idea. Much more work has to be done to implement it in practice. Jayantilal Shah

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vasudhaiva kutumbakam concept is not new it's an old concept prople have tried also but for any such mission curbing greed for power ,money ,ego ,self interest have to be controlled in individual as well as in group and masses also people in the name of caste creed religion language province and country .they fight so much of blood shed and deaths .individually every body wants peace .not only in india in so many other countries there have been so many sages spiritual gurus with all their sincere efforts but somehow evil wins over good .so we have and even today seeing so many wars . let us all pray and try to have peace on this beautiful earth manav ka manav par atyachar aur shoshan kya kabhi bhi khatm nahi hoga .even christ,says peace be on earth.letus be united on this jai shri krishna

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never read any thing from a person, about gita who says krishna is not a god. my personal view. s radhakrishan is one of them.

Ashok Gupta

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Dear Sadaks, In Vasita Geetha or Yoga Vasita, said by Vasita to Sri Rama at the age of 16, is that in the next yuga there will be a speech given by Paramathuma to Arjuna. Think of that prediction. In the end of Kali yug man height will be 2 and half feet. Look at that prediction in Srimath Bagavath. The 4 yuga (Symbol of Bhrama with 4 heads) will have to complete. We can be unselfish, good, pious, that is ones own choice. The TV is predicted as FOX by Veera Bhramagaru saint 200 years ago. People are loosing their valuable life span on that TV. ""A prostitute lecturing on "Pativrataa" (being a chaste wife) then how will that appear?"" is posted. Why not it be thought over like this. The prostitute learn t valuable lesson by becoming prostitute. Her good wish that other should not fall pray to become so. A smoker addicted advises others not to smoke, so that others DO NOT get addicted. Can we say the adviser should first stop smoking then others will stop. But others not taking the smoker advise, falls pray to smoke addiction by not caring that addict advise. B.Sathyanarayan

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Dear Ones, namaste! All of us seekers of truth should be concerned about wiping out destructive potentialities and make this world a beautiful place to live! It starts and ends with each one of us!

Notice, no one can remain peaceful if one's loved ones, one's friends, one's neighbor, or community suffers for whatever reasons! One feels pains, even if one cannot help for some reasons! This suggest that we are so much interconnected that we cannot survive in isolation, not even physically! We are not "individuals" in the deeper sense. Individual means "indivisible". However, each one of us is the "world" itself. This is because whatever one thinks or does affects one and his immediate family, community and world at large in some measures, however small it may be. For example, what Mother Teresa or Gandhi as well as Hitler did is still affecting world! Their thoughts behind their deeds are in the environment for subsequent generations as well as thoughts of our ancestors! So it becomes necessary for one to think and act responsibly because we are affecting the world. If all of us individually change, not just superficially, but in some significant way, right then and there, world around us will have changed! On a more fundamental level, one should bring spirituality in life. Above all, Life should not be divided into "personal" life at home different from business life at work places, social, political, and religious life different. What happens then is that people cheat in business dealings and yet go to temple and think they are religious! We should practice spirituality rather follow dogmas! We should be taught to be "world citizen in the core of our Being". Our communities and nationalities are only for practical reasons of maintaining welfare and rich cultures, traditions we are born into! Our actions should be with world vision, and not limited by nationalities which have brought about wars only! These changes should be accomplished through education incorporating spirituality in curriculum of schools so our children be the agent of change! Even if it takes many years of right education for the new generations, it is still worth to start! Let us not say "this is not possible, how can you change societies, nations etc" and go about doing things selfishly! Ego is smart, when it finds weak in some situations to defend its selfish motives, it organizes community and nations to fight with other communities and nations! Let us just start living what we are learning here on this platform RIGHT NOW, not tomorrow! Pratap Bhatt

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There is only one way for each individual to prepare oneself for the World Community as per Gita: to practice in life the Truth of equinimity, to see oneself in everyone and every thing in the World, to see in oneself every thing and every one in this World, not to get perturbed/ angry/ frstrated over how things and people behave, to accept the World as it exists and emerges in future, to give up all desires for physical, mental or emotional satisfaction including the desire of setting up an orderly world community. This may seem impractical to almost all people. That is the way God has designed human beings.. But at the same time God Himself has given the idea of equinimity for human beings to practice. Some practice, many others do not. When most people practice equinimity in life, the desired World Community would be established at least for a while. But for those who practice equinimity, the World Community is already in existence. Basudeb Sen

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To change all of mankind in to a perfect society or a good global community is to make yourself free of sins and a good person. Besides this no other solution will work. When Lord manifested on earth in the form of Lord Shri Ram and Lord Shri Krishna, even they were unable to transform all of mankind, then who else is there, or will ever be that will be able to change all of mankind? No one! Only change yourself. Become good yourself then the world will be able to become better. So be it, A Sadhak

Dear "A Sadhaka", It is very simple... Put yourself in the other being's 'shoes'...and think from his(now,your angle)... One does not need to READ any books on Philosophy to do this...only one should have the will and determination to do it... Simple ? It is not as simple as one thinks it...Try it...and see for yourself... With the very best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK !

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Dear Sadhak,

I appreciate your feelings which come up after reading Mr. S Radhakrishnan's views.

In my opinion these views just remain the views on paper till these are implemented successfully. What I felt that there is no dearth of good views/opinion on this earth, however, all these views lost in the midst of selfishness of the people whose desire is only to become (1) powerful either by hook or by crook, (2) to amass the wealth, (3) to become fame and rule over the people.

If you look at the history of years back, you will find that people kept on fighting for the petty things viz. "ZAR, ZORU and ZAMEEN" and most of the rulers had lost their kingdom just for the sake of achieving their personal desire. The similar thing is happening in the present world.

So good ideas / opinion comes and goes but people remain unchanged because they are so highly gripped with self-centeredness or selfishness which guide them to follow or adopt only those ideas which either help them or their family to uplift their living standard. They won't bother to fulfill their desire, even at the cost, if it is harming their brother, sisters or society.

In Short, I would like to say that till the time people's agony remain, the selfishness shall remain and people though they are aware about good or bad things, keep on ignoring the good things just to fulfill their worldly desires

Further, I would like to elaborate that even a father is not able to get the views changed of their children then how is it possible to change the entire world. But father keeps on telling his children what is good or bad / right or wrong, in the hope that time will come when they will understand his teachings or views and mend them accordingly.

In my opinion, its better to change oneself on its own in such a way that let other comes on their own to emulate and make effort to change them. Even then, there is no guarantee that people will stick to the good things forever.

Its endless topic.

A Sadhak,

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Before we embark on a noble mission, it is well started when one anticiaptes the possible hurdlws and implants in the program methods and methodology to overcome such hurdles. this is not negative thinking or pessimism but calculated realism. Most of the suffering of humanity is high level of theorizing with no attention paid to practical implementability of the theory. As an example, it is theorized that lack of desires is the way to peace - internal and external. However, how practical is being&#65533;desire less. Impossible. Like that, saying the whole humanity is just one community the community of God' children is both impractical and unequal to the task. .I am a fgan of Sarv epalli; He was our neighbor when I was 6 OR 7. But a world community sans divisions of color, religion/faith and political economic divides is just not possible. Such divisions are due to the three Gunas of Prakriti, and weaknesses in human mind. Religions exploit these chinks and play Havoc. Gita and Krishna did their best to eradicate this virus of religion thru the elixir of Dharma. Unfortunately even us Indians do not recognize it In such case how do you contribute to world community. There is a saying in Telugu : .&#65533;

Krishna Samudrala

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Shree Hari Ram Ram

Attached are few responses related to society and community -

Question: What are some solutions to improving the Society?

Answer: By improving ourselves, the society automatically improves; because an individual is a limb of the society. If one's own life is not proper, but we speak great things then neither we will improve, nor the society. A prostitute lecturing on "Pativrataa" (being a chaste wife) then how will that appear? Therefore it is not that our talks should be great, rather our life should be great. With the desire to improve the society, one must attempt to improve one's self. We will improve when we give up our selfishness and pride and do things for the welfare of others.

Question: In the society there are many different kinds of customs and practices, of them, which ones are good and which ones are not so good - how are we do decide on that?

Answer: In those customs and practices where one gives up their selfishness and does things for the welfare of others, that alone is good.

From "Prashnouttermanimaalaa" in Hindi pg 136 by Swami Ramsukhdasji

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It is impossible that on engaging in satsang, that there is no change whatsoever. If you do satsang, there will definitely be a change. If there is no change, then you have not received real (asli) satsang. On receiving real satsang (association of Truth or exalted Souls), change is inevitable (one cannot remain without being changed).