<quoted text>If the Catholic Church is not the one started by Christ, then which one of you 42,000 are?This is very very important LTM, because Jesus clearly started a Church that He promised to protect from the gates of Hell. Thus, the Apostles clearly started a Church and those they ordained wrote much about Bishops, Priests and Deacons and the Magistrium that was started by the Apostles.So, where did this Church that Christ promised to be with til the end of the world, go?please answer

Clay we are still here, you just dont wish to join us.

when Jesus said you must repent and be Born Again, so the person that does that is now part of His church.

nothing else is required or asked of you than that.Avie asked me what the "theme" of the bible is because she thought that I wouldnt know,and in fact she didnt know until I told her.

from Genesis through Revelation, there is a Scarlet thread, and that is Blood. it took the shedding of Blood for adam and eve to be covered.

it takes the same shed Blood of Jesus to cover our sins. the sprinkling of warer will not and can not do that. Only His Blood.

BTW, I have always preferred to preach out of the OT. once when i was first starting, my pastor spoke about how young ministers wouldnt Preach out of Psalms. so when I got up to preach(with knees knocking) I told the church to turn to Psalms and I Preached that morning about the kine in Basham

Anti-Catholic Protestants like 4GVN don't have any logic!It is all based upon vengeance, animosity and (ingrained) vindictiveness toward the Catholic Church and the fact that "each Protestant" is (all over the place) when it comes to rationalism and (in particular) when it comes to the TRUTH of Church History and the TRUE interpretation of Sacred Scripture...All bible only (rationale) is predicated and supported by a "pyramid of bible verses" that is based upon "relative truth".(what each person thinks is truth--becomes the truth for them). This is why there continues to be a growing list (each day) over 42,000+ inconsistent) Protestant denominations) As one bible verse (what I think) interpretation after another is disproved, the Protestant "pyramid" begins to "crumble" and it leads to another denomination of "relative truth" which has little or no truth at all.. BEEN THERE!! DONE THAT!!--for over 35 years! This is why, it is a "total waste of time" to play the Protestant "question and answer"--merry-go-round-- circus (game) with ANY of them! Protestants are not here to learn "anything" about the TRUTH of the Catholic faith--- except to spread their anti-catholic "heretical bible only distortion,condemnation, judgement and vengeance against the Historical and Biblical TRUTH of our PROVEN Catholic Faith and against Jesus Christ HIMSELF manifested in His One True Apostolic Catholic Church. God is not, has never been and will never be the author of Protestant "relative truth" (half-truth, half-heresy) Christianity that is "infected" by confusion and chaos!!

<quoted text>you will like this, may have to do 2 replys.It is VERY strict. You would have more freedom going to jail.Become a Jehovah's Witness and you can't...Celebrate Mother's Day,Father's Day, Grandparent's DayBirthdays Thanksgiving New Year's Eve or Day Christmas Halloween Easter Flag Day Independence Day (Fourth of July) Hanukkah St. Patrick's Day Valentine's Day"Any" Holiday Sing any Holiday Songs Eat Turkey on Thanksgiving Create Holiday artwork in schoolJoin the Boy ScoutsJoin the Girl Scouts Buy Girl Scout Cookies Become a Cheerleader Attend class reunions (No "Worldly" association) Go to the school promPlay School Sports (No competition allowed) PlayProfessional SportsJoin any organization that has ties to ChristianityShop at the Salvation Army Volunteer for the Salvation ArmyDonate to Relief Organizations like the Red Cross, Salvation Army, Charities and more Shop at Church run thrift storesShop at Church Garage Sales Shop at any Store that has Christian ties Contribute to the Red Cross Attend a Church SchoolJoin the YMCA Join the MilitaryBecome a Police OfficerAttend Alcoholics Anonymous Have any job with a gunStrike against a Company Salute the FlagCan't Stand at Public Events while others are Standing to salute the Flag Sing the National Anthem Go to WarWear Clothing Associated with War; e.g. Combats or Army Tops Learn karate Vote (Conscience matter now to please Governments, you will be ostracized if you do)Run for any Public Office Campaign for a CandidateContribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on your tax return Can join union, but not participate in its affairsRun for class president Join Sororities or FraternitiesParticipate in holiday parties at schoolBuy lottery tickets Gamble Play Bingo Can't buy a raffle ticket Date without supervision - young or old Watch R rated movies Cannot work on another Church if it's a regular customer Own a religious picture or statue Smoke cigarettes, pipes or a cigars Sell cigarettes, pipes or a cigars Accept Blood Donate Blood Store your own blood before an operationWear blue jeans or casual clothes to the Kingdom HallWear pants to the Kingdom Hall if you are a femaleWear skirts or dresses that are above the knee at any timeWear any type of long hair if you are a manWear a beard in some Kingdom Halls and areas (judged hard) Pierce ears if male, other body parts if femaleHave any tattoos Say curse words Can't be hypnotizedGet divorced unless scriptural (adultery or fornication is committed by one partner) if you do divorce cannot remarry unless ex fornicates first Toast drinks (pagan origin)Throw rice at a wedding (pagan origin) Say "Bless You" when someone sneezes Say "Good Luck!", "Wish me Luck", "I was Lucky" or "You were Lucky"Tell ghost stories Practice Yoga Own a Smurf Eat Lucky Charms Cereal (References to Magical)Throw a penny into a wishing well Read Horoscopes Promote anything SuperstitiousHave wind charms because they represent a pagan symbol for scaring away demons

One of the JW's told me that they don't celebrate Thanksgiving.She said a neighbor brought her some turkey on Thanksgiving day and that she accepted it.

One would think that they would not be allowed to accept it because it was part of Thanksgiving.

<quoted text>I think she is upset because i do not care for her religion,and being an honest person,i had to say/speak the truth on how i feel about jehovahs,nothing personal against her,like i said she is probably a great person,but i don't agree with her religious beliefs,espeacially when people are allowed to die needlessly in a belief that can not be 100% proven it is true.

she isn't even spell right God's name has no vowels , if she was to be honest she has no knowledge at all.

Well to be honest I lost a sister to blood transfusion she got tinted blood.She got Hepatitis C , suffered 15 years before she past on. In 1985 I had an operation, I had to be tested for a year or moreFor H-C and HIV, scary time.H-C can lay dorment for years before it will raise its ugly head many people could be walking around with it and don't know it.If I was going to have an operation now I would get the Doctor to take several pints from me before hand. They will do that now over a period of a couple of months, they like me at the blood bank I have O positive I can give my blood to anyone.

<quoted text>Clay we are still here, you just dont wish to join us.when Jesus said you must repent and be Born Again, so the person that does that is now part of His church.nothing else is required or asked of you than that.Avie asked me what the "theme" of the bible is because she thought that I wouldnt know,and in fact she didnt know until I told her.from Genesis through Revelation, there is a Scarlet thread, and that is Blood. it took the shedding of Blood for adam and eve to be covered.it takes the same shed Blood of Jesus to cover our sins. the sprinkling of warer will not and can not do that. Only His Blood.BTW, I have always preferred to preach out of the OT. once when i was first starting, my pastor spoke about how young ministers wouldnt Preach out of Psalms. so when I got up to preach(with knees knocking) I told the church to turn to Psalms and I Preached that morning about the kine in Basham

You told me? Sorry I missed your post I was enjoying some yummy garlic bread.

Have you made the peace with your nephew or are you still bitterly angy at him? You know what Jehovah says: if you cannot forgive others he will not forgive you.

<quoted text>let me challenge you on the Bible. go get you a Jewish masoretic Holy Scripture, and compare it to your version(aint about to call it a Bible), then compare it to a KJV.the Masoretic texxt and teh KJV are almost identical which is why old steiner gave it back to me pretty quick(as i knew that he would). you flakes arent allowed to know the truth.

Hi Preston! Hold on a sec. Don't want to get spaghetti sauce on my cute top?:oD

<quoted text>You don't get to decide what Catholics believe. I see allot of finger pointing towards us; people telling us what we believe instead of asking us. How many posts start out,'Catholics think that...Catholics believe in ... Catholicism is..'you guys hate what you think is the Catholic Church, not what IS the Catholic Church.

what i say about catholics are based on their man made pagan/christian traditions,what they/you believe in is found nowhere in the bible/scriptures,catholocism is a baby religion it's only 2000 yrs old,and created by a pagan emporer and about 100 learned men. who put the two religions together to keep the people of the empire happy. don't understand why it's so hard to understand with people,it is not gods/jesus' church or religion.there's plenty of history to prove it and nothing that states otherwise.there is not one passage anywhere in the bible or scriptures where jesus says his church is the catholic church,only man says that.and that is meaningless.

<quoted text> You told me? Sorry I missed your post I was enjoying some yummy garlic bread.Have you made the peace with your nephew or are you still bitterly angy at him? You know what Jehovah says: if you cannot forgive others he will not forgive you.

I dont have to forgive him, he has done nothing to me, but he is a low life scum bag not to take care of his mother, as the bible tells him to do. of course, your book probably left that part out since it interferes with the seperation that your chuch enforces on you kooks.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

guess that your religion aint very pure, but of course we already knew that.

<quoted text>Actually, Marian doctrine is so deep rooted in scripture, that Evangelicals can't see it. You guys barely scratch the surface of scripture. Do you guys even study the Old Testament? Do you read the writings of the men the Apostles ordained?You need to do those things to be a serious Christian.Right now you fail to see things cuz you're so fixed on verse chapter verse of the New Testament. Heck, you think its all that's revealed about Jesus!That tells me you don't have a clue.

-Where in scripture is Marion doctrine even mentioned? please back up your assertions with scripture.

<quoted text>let me challenge you on the Bible. go get you a Jewish masoretic Holy Scripture, and compare it to your version(aint about to call it a Bible), then compare it to a KJV.the Masoretic texxt and teh KJV are almost identical which is why old steiner gave it back to me pretty quick(as i knew that he would). you flakes arent allowed to know the truth.

I'm not trying to challange you. The word of God should be discussed in a peaceful manner. Its what the scriptures say. What I know is that the Jews stopped using Jehovah's name because they came up with superstitious idea that his name was too holy to use in conversation and I haven't met many Jews who are fond of Jesus. And so I don't know the point you're trying to make.

<quoted text>I give my opinion based on my Biblical knowledge, and it is up to you or anyone else to accept it or reject it.I am not responsible if you accept it and get saved, and I am not responsible if you choose to not accept His Mercy on your soul.it all lays on your shoulders not mine.my shoulders are not broad enough to bear your sins and others.

<quoted text>You thought Preston was Catholic? lolHe just calls out the hypocrisy amongst you guys, that's all. None of you will admit it, but you are all doctrinally a mess. He has guts to stand up when he sees deception.

no hipocracy here,i just do not believe what the vatican/pope believe,that the catholic is the true church,and i show the history of the church which catholics close their eyes to that proves that point.how can you have a true church when you can't even prove a god exists.

2.The Time is at Hand, 1908, pg 101...the battle of the great day of God Almighty(Rev.16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earths present rulership, is already commenced.

Millions now Living Will Never Die, 1920, pg. 89, 90Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old...."

FROM AWAKE Magazine;

Aw, 5/22/1969, pg 15If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things......all evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

....as a young person you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career.

But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!

They blamed other religions for setting dates and called them false prophets. 1.Light 1930, pg 47,They have been prophesying particularly since 1918, and everyone knows that their prophecies to date have not come to pass; and that alone is strong evidence that they are false prophets

They blamed others,lol.

Paradise Restored 1972, pg 353,354, Jehovah, the God of the true prophets, will put all false prophets to shame either by not fulfilling the false prediction of such self-assuming prophets or by having his own prophecies fulfilled in a way opposite to that predicted by the false prophets.

<quoted text>One of the JW's told me that they don't celebrate Thanksgiving.She said a neighbor brought her some turkey on Thanksgiving day and that she accepted it.One would think that they would not be allowed to accept it because it was part of Thanksgiving.

<quoted text> I'm not trying to challange you. The word of God should be discussed in a peaceful manner. Its what the scriptures say. What I know is that the Jews stopped using Jehovah's name because they came up with superstitious idea that his name was too holy to use in conversation and I haven't met many Jews who are fond of Jesus. And so I don't know the point you're trying to make.

lol, man have you been lied to.

on my other forum, when the talk is about God, it is L_rd, and why should that bother any chriatian if they or anyone else feels that God and His Name is Holy. and they show that respect to His Holy Nmae.

guess that you havent had a close experience with God that will mkae you feel that the floor should be removed becuase you cant get low enough and humble yourself in His Presence.

<quoted text>Sorry retractions I said [God's church is a denomination]I meant to say isn't a denomination.

God's Church, which Jesus Christ HIMSELF initiated, formed and authenicated in Matthew 16:13-21 was, is and will always be His biblically authenticated (one and only) Apostolic Universal (referred to as Catholic in 045AD). This is the same Church that His Apostles taught in Antioch (Acts 2) which had Bishops, Deacons, Priests and Elders (also Acts 2). It is the same heirarchical, authoritative, visible Church that Paul referred to in his letters that he wrote to the (visible0 Churches in Philippi, Galatia, Ephesis, Thessalonica, Corrinth,and on and on. This is the same Church that is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament.--The Catholic Church is NOT a denomination, because it is the (one and only) True Church that Jesus (HIMSELF) initiate and formed! Denominations began with the Reformation and the dividing fracturing, and splintering that followed Martin Luther.

The Catholic Church (has never, nor will ever be) a part of this list, because the term "denomination refers to "particular branches of the Christian Church".. Jesus Christ is the "Head of His (one and only TRUE Universal (Catholic) Church, which is (the TRUE VINE) which is HIS BRIDE--the ONE TRUE CHURCH.... Protestant Churches are the "branches" that have rejected the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FULLNESS of the FAITH as the Prodigal Son chose to do by his own defiance and rebelliousness, in Luke 15:11

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