I assume I need to use my temporal clone to stand on the pressure plates in the NW.

I'm unable to figure out how to program my clone to walk through the door, because it's closed whilst I'm programming him.

I've tried walking him east 10 paces, then west 10 paces, and blocking his progress at replay time, but he just keeps retrying
the action that failed. When I move out of the way, he carries on where he left off.

I'm missing a basic mechanic here .... these are just the tutorials aren't they - eek.

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But currently I'm feeling a bit cheated: I'd figured out what bomber50 said, that a temporal clone records a sequence of moves.

So, if you record "W-W-W-W" with the clone whilst he's up against a closed door, then during replay (when the door is wide open) I see the clone trying west: this is indicated with a fade-in fade-out graphic of the clone saying "this way".

Why doesn't he go for it? there's no longer anything stopping him.

Yet when I force his hand and slap him about with the body of my spear, suddenly he wakes up and starts navigating unseen territory.

Is the blockage specific to door squares, I wonder?

I smell the smell of "tough puzzles ahead" .... right?

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The key here is massive head trauma (there's a fair bit of this in TSS).

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×The second Beethro can push the first one around with the spear, stunning him and pushing him to a place he couldn't have been himself. At which point he can continue up a new path. You just need to program that movement in the space you have, then reposition #1 to the right starting point with #2.

I realize this. My problem is getting the clone to make a move that I am unable to
do myself. Could I have some kind of a demo here to get me over this hurdle?

The long and short of it is that...

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×...you can't. It is impossible to for your clone to make a move that you are unable to. So if the clone can't move himself...

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×Think about the weapon token in the room. It's there for a reason. What can you do with a spear? Explicit solution in the next hint:

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×You need to push the time clone to the west with the spear. Since time tokens let you record a series of moves, you'll record the time clone going as far north as possible. Then when you hit tab, follow the clone up to where he would be in line with the formerly closed yellow door, then push him west using the spear. Once you stop pushing, he will continue to follow the pre-recorded moves and will move to the north.

Lastly, don't be too discouraged by this level. Time clones take a lot of time to get used to. It's fun mechanic once you get the hang of it, but I remember this level taking a lot of time to process and understand. If you can make it past Shattered Mine you can definitely make it through this level!

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Links to neat forum tools that I always have trouble finding:

I realize this. My problem is getting the clone to make a move that I am unable to
do myself. Could I have some kind of a demo here to get me over this hurdle?

The long and short of it is that...

Click here to view the secret text

×...you can't. It is impossible to for your clone to make a move that you are unable to. So if the clone can't move himself...

Click here to view the secret text

×Think about the weapon token in the room. It's there for a reason. What can you do with a spear? Explicit solution in the next hint:

Click here to view the secret text

×You need to push the time clone to the west with the spear. Since time tokens let you record a series of moves, you'll record the time clone going as far north as possible. Then when you hit tab, follow the clone up to where he would be in line with the formerly closed yellow door, then push him west using the spear. Once you stop pushing, he will continue to follow the pre-recorded moves and will move to the north.

Lastly, don't be too discouraged by this level. Time clones take a lot of time to get used to. It's fun mechanic once you get the hang of it, but I remember this level taking a lot of time to process and understand. If you can make it past Shattered Mine you can definitely make it through this level!

Thank you. I should be able to get it with those hints. Back to work.

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(They taught me all I knew);
Their names are What and Why and When
And How and Where and Who..... Rudyard Kipling

Please help me understand. I have the clone step on 16, 25 so I can open 21, 28 ,get the spear and hit the orb. Using the spear I can push the clone all the way to the force arrows
That s where I get confuse. At that point pushing Tab again does not give me anything.
If I push pass the arrows then I am stuck. How Tab is used is what I dont seem to grasp
Help please
Thank you

-When you step on one, you start recording a series of moves.
-When you press Tab, the time token becomes inactive, and a timeclone is created. After this, the time token cannot be used again, so pressing Tab again will do nothing.
-The timeclone will then attempt to carry out the moves you recorded.

So how do you do this room?

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×If a timeclone is pushed, it will attempt to make the same moves from its new position.

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×Wait on the pressure plate for a bit when recording, then walk over the force arrows to the far end of the room. After recording, get the spear and push the timeclone into the left side of the room. It will repeat the earlier moves, walking to the pressure plate.