DontToewsMeBro wrote:Brendan Morrow is as much of a "sure thing" as Joe Morrow. We are putting our hopes that the guy that played for the Stars last week is not the same guy that will play for the Penguins next week...we're banking on some hidden "energy" being there that hasn't shown to exist. Just saying that there is some uncertainty on both sides...

Flawed logic. B Morrow is a proven NHLer of 12 seasons, J Morrow is still a prospect who may or may not have a meaningful NHL career. B Morrow may not have the speed he once had, and certainly isn't the 60+ point producer he once was, but he is being brought in to fill a need - physical play and veteran presence. That's something he certainly can still do.

He is also only two years removed from a career high 33 goals. His pace certainly slowed last season, but that was still a 37 point pace (26 points in 37 games). Right now, his 6 goals and 11 points this season are on par with the current 3rd line of Cooke-Sutter-Kennedy.

As long as he can stay healthy, the absolute worst case is that adding B Morrow is an upgrade over Glass and any upgrade is a good thing.

Isn't 26 points in 37 games a lot higher than a 37 point pace. Let me rephrase: 26 points in 37 games is a lot higher than a 37 point pace.

slappybrown wrote:The best time to trade a prospect is right before the other guy figures out he's a bust. If Morrow had struggled at WBS again next year, because he wasn't listening/progressing, his value would have nose-dived.

Good point, slappy. And thanks for the WBS link.

If he had struggled as a 21 year old in the AHL? I don't think thats a good point at all. A year and a half ago, people thought he should be making the NHL as an 18 year old. That was ludicrous of course, but his stock isn't going down, and isn't going down anytime soon barring a sudden inability to skate and move the puck.

I think its fair to assume if he has two consecutive poor seasons in the AHL his value would be reduced. That's hardly a controversial statement.

pcm wrote:It's funny how people rationalize their desire to marginalize Joe Morrow's value now that he's been traded away.

Post the whole quote: “I definitely struggled the first half of the season trying to find my place and find positives in what I was doing,” Morrow said. “They nitpicked my game so hard in the defensive zone that I had to change a lot of things. I did that and after the halfway point of the season I’ve played with more confidence and it’s been a steady uphill climb from there. It’s been going good.”

He's basically commending Hynes for improving his game. There's no whining at all. Joe Morrow is going to be a beast and a leader in this league. There's nothing wrong with admitting that Shero traded away a very good player. That's the price to pay for stocking up for a cup run.

I didn't "hide" the entirety of the quote if that's what you're suggesting. The portion I quoted came from Bombulie's article, which was all he quoted and all I read. I didn't see the entirety of the comments, but I agree, they aren't what his blog post suggested.

DontToewsMeBro wrote:Brendan Morrow is as much of a "sure thing" as Joe Morrow. We are putting our hopes that the guy that played for the Stars last week is not the same guy that will play for the Penguins next week...we're banking on some hidden "energy" being there that hasn't shown to exist. Just saying that there is some uncertainty on both sides...

Flawed logic. B Morrow is a proven NHLer of 12 seasons, J Morrow is still a prospect who may or may not have a meaningful NHL career. B Morrow may not have the speed he once had, and certainly isn't the 60+ point producer he once was, but he is being brought in to fill a need - physical play and veteran presence. That's something he certainly can still do.

He is also only two years removed from a career high 33 goals. His pace certainly slowed last season, but that was still a 37 point pace (26 points in 57 games). Right now, his 6 goals and 11 points this season are on par with the current 3rd line of Cooke-Sutter-Kennedy.

As long as he can stay healthy, the absolute worst case is that adding B Morrow is an upgrade over Glass and any upgrade is a good thing.

I don't know that it's flawed logic. He needs to make an impact in some way and I think it's certainly reasonable to ask whether or not he can based on his play. If he can't keep up with the 2nd or 3rd line, what is his value?

I think he will, but it's not a sure thing by any stretch. And really, they Pens need to progress far in the playoffs to justify this deal, which is certainly no sure thing.

canaan wrote:I dont get the Palffy was washed up comment. people have a really bad revisionist history of him because he didnt want to play here anymore.

True this. He finished 11+31 in 42 games played as a Pen, 6th on the team in that 05/06 season.

I don't like Palffy because he quit on the situation. He flat out took his ball and went home. The shoulder issue he supposedly had couldn't have been that bad considering he went home and continued playing for years after. He's a bum with no heart.

canaan wrote:I dont get the Palffy was washed up comment. people have a really bad revisionist history of him because he didnt want to play here anymore.

True this. He finished 11+31 in 42 games played as a Pen, 6th on the team in that 05/06 season.

I don't like Palffy because he quit on the situation. He flat out took his ball and went home. The shoulder issue he supposedly had couldn't have been that bad considering he went home and continued playing for years after. He's a bum with no heart.

canaan wrote:I dont get the Palffy was washed up comment. people have a really bad revisionist history of him because he didnt want to play here anymore.

True this. He finished 11+31 in 42 games played as a Pen, 6th on the team in that 05/06 season.

I don't like Palffy because he quit on the situation. He flat out took his ball and went home. The shoulder issue he supposedly had couldn't have been that bad considering he went home and continued playing for years after. He's a bum with no heart.

i understand this view. the "washed up" angle is silly.

Palffy took a season and a half off before playing again. And then played in a much less physical league.

slappybrown wrote:The best time to trade a prospect is right before the other guy figures out he's a bust. If Morrow had struggled at WBS again next year, because he wasn't listening/progressing, his value would have nose-dived.

Good point, slappy. And thanks for the WBS link.

If he had struggled as a 21 year old in the AHL? I don't think thats a good point at all. A year and a half ago, people thought he should be making the NHL as an 18 year old. That was ludicrous of course, but his stock isn't going down, and isn't going down anytime soon barring a sudden inability to skate and move the puck.

I think its fair to assume if he has two consecutive poor seasons in the AHL his value would be reduced. That's hardly a controversial statement.

Everyone knows he could be a good player in the nhl someday. Because of Shero's drafting of Dmen and not drafting forwards this won't be the last defensive prospect traded.

canaan wrote:I dont get the Palffy was washed up comment. people have a really bad revisionist history of him because he didnt want to play here anymore.

True this. He finished 11+31 in 42 games played as a Pen, 6th on the team in that 05/06 season.

I don't like Palffy because he quit on the situation. He flat out took his ball and went home. The shoulder issue he supposedly had couldn't have been that bad considering he went home and continued playing for years after. He's a bum with no heart.

i understand this view. the "washed up" angle is silly.

Palffy took a season and a half off before playing again. And then played in a much less physical league.

Puck Drama wrote:The best thing about this trade is it does not hurt the Pens cap situation going into next year. Leclair and Palffy were the end of Patrick. Will Morrowkerovsky signify the end of Shero?

You've fallen so far. Wait till Fleury has some bad games then redeem yourself.