_________________Champions are made from something they have deep inside of them - a desire, a dream, a vision. They have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have the skill & the will but the will must be stronger than the skill. Muhammad Ali

_________________Champions are made from something they have deep inside of them - a desire, a dream, a vision. They have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have the skill & the will but the will must be stronger than the skill. Muhammad Ali

Would've won:Leading the race in Singapore/ Easy was cruisingCatalunya Easy went from 24th to 8 without safetycars beating Jb who started 9thLeading the race in Abu dhabi/ Easy was cruisingBrazil Hard but could've won it.

Think this says it all my friends think about it. He was on fire this year. The only thing that was able too stop himwas unreliabilty and people running in too him.

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

Unbelievably quick qualifier, Alonso isn't, Vettel is, but Webber beat him many times even though he is 35 average driver.

Hamilton is just so exciting to watch, whether he's in the lead or in the midfield, there is something about his driving that just commands your attention, Alonso is close, Vettel is boring, and always in the best car no matter what some people say, that car is fundamentally good, since 2009 always has been, those comeback drives, anyone could have done them, the other cars don't compare, they are slow.

Ehh part of being a good driver is managing your career - and getting in a situation where you have other title winners as your teammates (which traditionally hasn't worked out so well for anybody) is just poor management. You can't hold it against other drivers if they are smart enough to spend as much time as possible in the situation with the best opportunity to succeed. That's another tick in their favor, for me.

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

This i was on F1technical and some guy made the same argument i never taught about it like that but even when Heikki was driving for McLaren they wouldn't give lewis the defacto number one status. I cant imagine a grid without Lewis right now.

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

This i was on F1technical and some guy made the same argument i never taught about it like that but even when Heikki was driving for McLaren they wouldn't give lewis the defacto number one status. I cant imagine a grid without Lewis right now.

Eh?

When Heikki was in the team, who got the new bits first and the better fuel strategies? (Remember they quali'd on race fuel) .

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

Webber has a chance; he's just not good enough to take it. If he was faster than Vettel he'd have won a title or two by now. he has as much opportunity as Seb

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

This i was on F1technical and some guy made the same argument i never taught about it like that but even when Heikki was driving for McLaren they wouldn't give lewis the defacto number one status. I cant imagine a grid without Lewis right now.

Eh?

When Heikki was in the team, who got the new bits first and the better fuel strategies? (Remember they quali'd on race fuel) .

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

Webber has a chance; he's just not good enough to take it. If he was faster than Vettel he'd have won a title or two by now. he has as much opportunity as Seb

You say Webber has a chance, he's just not good enough, so what Red Bull did? They picked Vettel over him, they backed one driver over the other. Mclaren should've done the same, they should've backed Hamilton over Button who is slow. Hamilton would've been 2 or3 time WDC, instead they wasted their energy on Button.

If Webber is not good enough( which I agree with) then he shouldn't be able to out-qualify Vettel-who is supposedly one of the best-so many times this year. That's Newey's car for you.

Look at the fuel strategies. The whole thing has been discussed many times on the forum many times.

Even big Ron and Martin whitmarsh have said that Heikki was fuelled heavier and that made him appear slower but Fuel adjusted he would have out quali'd Lewis a number of times.

Now why would they constantly heavier fuel 1 driver if all was equal?

Look, if you want to sit and do nit-picking, then we'll never get anywhere. The guy asked a question, and I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from Hamilton. Even IF he was given #1, that wouldn't have been something he asked for.

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Look at the fuel strategies. The whole thing has been discussed many times on the forum many times.

Even big Ron and Martin whitmarsh have said that Heikki was fuelled heavier and that made him appear slower but Fuel adjusted he would have out quali'd Lewis a number of times.

Now why would they constantly heavier fuel 1 driver if all was equal?

Look, if you want to sit and do nit-picking, then we'll never get anywhere. The guy asked a question, and I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from Hamilton. Even IF he was given #1, that wouldn't have been something he asked for.

My original comment was too.

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but even when Heikki was driving for McLaren they wouldn't give lewis the defacto number one status.

when it was fairly obvious he did get it. It wasn't whether he asked or not. It was whether he had it.

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

This i was on F1technical and some guy made the same argument i never taught about it like that but even when Heikki was driving for McLaren they wouldn't give lewis the defacto number one status. I cant imagine a grid without Lewis right now.

Eh?

When Heikki was in the team, who got the new bits first and the better fuel strategies? (Remember they quali'd on race fuel) .

I'll give you a clue. He wasn't Finnish.

If that isn't getting #1 status I don't know what is.

Once at the German GP, Lewis had One part firstThe fuel argument does not work, too.

Ok, for Hamilton it was the exception not the rule ( even though there is no proof of it, since Mclaren prides its self by giving drivers equal chances) whereas for Alonso and Vettel to a lesser extend, it's the other way around, even Button now is drooling.

I don't know who the best driver is (besides Scott) but I know who the hottest one is!

Also the one that shops at like, Swiss Target/Walmart.

I have totally become a fan of scott speed after reading this thread... Damn... Even his name says SPeed.... How awesome is that...

But still, the best driver is Bat Man. If he brings his bat mobile on the track, he is going to kick everyone's donkey (or fire a rocket at it, or run over it) Bring Bat man in F1.... Go team Bat!!!'and how about if Scott Speed is his team mate??? But then who gets #1 status???

_________________KIMI: Yeah,Winning feels good.But I am not the type of guy to jump up and down and rub it in everyone's face.

If you argue with me, I will attempt to bury you under the colossal weight of out of context statistics, driver quotes, subjective blogs from journalist-types, compliments from really old fogies who drove f1 cars back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, excuses, and stuff I made up.

I disagree. (I just want to see the burial efforts...)

First, he was champion of the Formula Renault 2000 Eurocup and Formula Renault 2000 Germany championships. Those are HUGELY relevant and even more important the his 3rd place finish in the GP2 series. Andrew Benson said so. Anyway, he was the #1 driver within his team there, ahead of Nico Rosberg and Heikki Kovalainen. Nico has been beating his 7x WDC teammate and Heikki drove for McLaren once so obviously that means Scott is better than Schumi and could have driven for McLaren if he wanted, but he knew RBR was going to be totally awesome and wanted to follow the path to them instead.

Next, he is the FIRST American since 1993 to get a ride, even as a test driver, in F1. Americans were basically banned from the sport for like 10 yrs so for Bernie to change that rule for SPEED he must have REALLY been worth it. I mean, MICHAEL ANDRETTI was the last one before him so he's clearly on par with him.

He was amazingly consistent. In eleven out of 18 races he finished between 10th and 14th in a HORRIBLE car, which failed to see the checkered flag four times in that first season. He showed his consistency again in 2007 by not finishing 7 out of the 10 races he took part in, and, further, finished in his usual 9-14th in the ones he did complete. How many drivers can boast that kind of regular consistency?

Unfortunately for Scott, Helmut Marko is a total psychopath and drugged Dietrich Mateschitz, put him under evil hypnosis, and convinced him to oust Scott in favor of that god-awful whiny brat talentless crash kid Vettel. Everybody knows Marko ONLY cares about Vettel, and that Red Bull was started back in 1987 when he was born, to hand deliver WDC's in Newey-built rocketships. I'm pretty sure Mateschitz had something to do with Adrian moving from CART to Formula 1 that very same year. I read a tweet about it actually.

Lastly, his illustrious career with a NASCAR start and park team since leaving Formula 1 is proof that he'd have made it big because NASCAR drivers are the best in the world. Jackie Stewart said it once, and Lauda agreed. He takes his cap off to Scott.

I don't know who the best driver is (besides Scott) but I know who the hottest one is!

Also the one that shops at like, Swiss Target/Walmart.

Everyone to their own on that !

I don't find Seb even remotely 'hot' - give me Schumi anyday, although not when he's dressed in his idea of 'style' ... Entering/leaving a track in jeans/T-shirt, showing his muscles - I can only drool. Plus, I also consider him the best driver ever - bonus . Most of his races before Ferrari dominated were awe inspiring, particularly those in the wet.

The best driver currently on the grid is Lewis HamiltonWhy? It's because he never had #1 status which Alonso and Vettel enjoy( no matter what Webber is made to believe, when push come to shove, he doesn't have a chance) in their teams, beat 2time world champion in his rookie year.

Webber has a chance; he's just not good enough to take it. If he was faster than Vettel he'd have won a title or two by now. he has as much opportunity as Seb

You say Webber has a chance, he's just not good enough, so what Red Bull did? They picked Vettel over him, they backed one driver over the other. Mclaren should've done the same, they should've backed Hamilton over Button who is slow. Hamilton would've been 2 or3 time WDC, instead they wasted their energy on Button.

If Webber is not good enough( which I agree with) then he shouldn't be able to out-qualify Vettel-who is supposedly one of the best-so many times this year. That's Newey's car for you.

There's a difference between being not good enough and no good at all. He's clearly a fast driver and a proven race winner; he's just too inconsistent and unable to compete satisfactorily with Vettel on track in the long term. The point is he has an equal chance to Vettel to get his car on the podium but doesn't always make the most of the opportunities he has. It has nothing to do with Vettel being number one in the team and everything to do with Mark's performances.

Everybody knows that to truly identify the 'best' driver, you must take into consideration the obvious things (success, skills, performance against team-mates). But what only those highest echelon of the sport know is that the true test of a driver is his/her ability to grow a beard and how fast they can grow it. And that is why I present to you gentlemen:

Mark Webber

Heidfeld could grow one, but Mark shaves moments before the race and has a full beard by the time the chequered flag falls.