St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.

"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."

Fark all of you. Your "homework" wasn't even good enough to determine if it was an actual meth house, much less whether there were children inside.

Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters

"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

Marcus Aurelius:"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recoveredPLANTED during the search. St. John declined to release specifics . . . . . . .

dittybopper:Marcus Aurelius: "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."

Who could possibly know that throwing a grenade at people would cause injuries? This is regrettable, but could have been avoided if these people had simply moved to another country where the police don't act like filthy animals.

It's even worse: It was a suspected meth lab. Those are known to explode with little provocation. Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

Not when the police do it, apparently. When they do it it's called "being tough on crime".

FTFA: A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.

Family sounds like a bunch of primitive screw-heads who didn't listen up.

How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

M11618:How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

Situations like this is exactly why SWAT teams and no-knock warrants exist: if law enforcement didn't bash down doors those no-good junkies might flush suspected meth labs down the toilet when the cops knocked.

dittybopper:Using a grenade without warning and when there is no resistance in the presence of a meth lab is criminal negligence.

This.I don't know how they got to thinking "We have to raid a suspected meth lab full of volatile chemicals" and concluded with "Lets start by throwing an explosive device at it!". But if they'd actually found what they were looking for, we'd now be talking about a half a dozen officers who set themselves on fire.

FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..

You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

Calmamity:Seriously, I hope the parents successfully sue that police department for so much that they have to sell all their military bullshiat and act like real cops again.the town has to close down it's fire department.

phrawgh:You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. While this incident is regrettable, something has to be done to bring these meth heads and dopers under control so they stop preying on our children. It may be cliche but 'if you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about' applies. Apparently the police found evidence of other illegal activity anyway. Police have a hard job to do and we should support them rather than question their every move.

The sad part is that there are actually people out there who truly believe this stuff.

Arcturus72:FTA: The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.

In other words, Do we have the gear? Check. Are we bored? Check. Checklist done...

And also, FTA, the guy was opening the door for them, when they knocked it down anyways... WTF?

I hope these idiots get sued so bad they have to lay the farkers off, but considering "Evidence was collected" means they'll trump up some charges against his perscription meds in order for them to drop their lawsuit... Jack boot thugs, indeed..

If the family is smart, they've gone with a high-powered big city attorney who is used to handling these kinds of cases, not the local friend-of-the-family law partner. They're going to need a guy who knows how to quash the probably illegally acquired evidence that has nothing to do with the no-knock meth lab warrant, but which might well succeed in scaring off a general practice lawyer with no experience in how these things work. When the cops' attorney threatens to charge them with the half dozen Valiums daughter had in her book bag, they need a lawyer to wave the copy of the search warrant at them and say, "You mean the Valiums that aren't covered on your warrant to search for products of the meth lab?" or somesuch in proper legalese.

Meth makes you do some farked up shiat that you probably wouldn't do if you weren't speeding your ass off.

Example: go to a house with the intention of having sex with a young engaged mother, suffocate her half-sister (who is also a young mother) when she asks you what you're doing at the house at 4 in the morning, beat young mother number one to death, try to have sex with her body, and dump their bodies out in a field in rural Western Missouri.

M11618:How does a swat officer not know there is a delay on a flash bang? One of the1st things i learned in the military was how to properly toss a grenade. This is piss poor training, have they never heard of a cordon and knock? Bored small town cops is what this is.

I have a small amount of experience with SWAT through my job and friends who are cops. The guys on those teams range from ex-special forces badasses to people who shouldn't even be greeters at Walmart. SWAT definitely doesn't always mean "elite".

I was at Fort Hunter-Liggett,, near San Luis Obispo at annual National Guard training and saw my Platoon Sergeant get wounded almost identically to the injuries in the photo provided by jigger. We were attacked by OPFORS at about 3am, and a flash-bang was thrown on his sleeping bag. He was in a hasty firing position next to it in his skivvies, saw it and believing it to be a smoke grenade, attempted to shake it off (so he didn't have to pay for his damaged sleeping bag) when it went off. His injuries were severe enough to put him in the hospital, and he couldn't return to work for another month. It also blew the hell out of his fartsack.

Flash-bangs are not small. They're basically grenades without large shrapnel. This family has a legitimate grievance.