STicking to the point here, we are looking for common ground and also supporting criteria in guidelines as well as usability. I shudder to think what a switch user would do with a hugely stacked page and Have it marked up in such a way as to not be breakable.
On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@smart.net> wrote:
Yes, different strokes for different folks. Fortunately, it is programmatically trivial for web technology to give the user a choice between a single or multiple page view.
Jamal
On 6/21/2013 10:00 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
> I often find long pages tedious to load and too navigation intensive. I like short pages with links to next and previous properly titled and relivant links on the pages. I find that what often serves as a heading is also well served as a link to another resource and the resource you wish is easy to find and load if well structured.
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> Articles are a different thing entirely but they can have links in them as well. If the article is long, It is fine even then. We need to look at accessibility and usability with functionality for the broadest audience which is why for me the above is true.
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 9:38 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@smart.net> wrote:
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> Actually, As a screen reader user, I usually prefer a long page with a complete document rather than multiple pages. This allows me to invoke a screen reader feature that reads continuously without interruption. It also allows me to do global searches on the whole document.
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> For example, when reading a newspaper or magazine article, I always search initially for a "print" or "single page" view. Otherwise, it can be quite tedious to navigate to the next page and isolate the main content again. I think a lot of blind people share this perspective.
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> I do understand that sighted people or people with other disabilities have different usability considerations.
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> On 6/21/2013 6:26 AM, Vivienne CONWAY wrote:
>> Thanks for that Morten.
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>> I agree, in that less is usually better. For some reason people seem to think they have to put everything on 1 page - often on the home page. They don't think about how tedious and often difficult it is for the user to find the information they need.
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>> Hi!
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>> I agree with Patrick, and this is a classic usability topic. General answers do not excist, at least the target group and type of content is important. Steve Krug has some quite good usability statements (in the book Don't make me think):
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>> 1. Don't make me think
>> 2. It doesn't matter how many times I have to click, as long as each click is a mindless unambiguous choice.
>> 3. Get rid of half the words on each page. Then get rid of half of whats left.
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>> As Patrick write: "... though it may make their experience far more tedious" is of course correct (and this is probably the reason why you asked this question). An example is a page with hundreds of links without any local page jumps: possible to use with a keyboard, but not efficient for the keyboard youser.
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>> Emne: Re: Page length and number of links
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>> On 21/06/2013 09:55, Vivienne CONWAY wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a bit of advice about the appropriate maximum length
>>> of a page and number of links on pages. We recently came across a
>>> page that seems to go on forever and can't see any of the guidelines
>>> that actually deals with this issue. The page is poorly divided up
>>> and that obviously comes under headings etc.
>>> Also, wondering if anyone has any 'best practice' links on both this
>>> and the number of links that a page should limit itself to. If you
>>> think either of these violates WCAG 2, I'd really like to hear how and why.
>> This sounds to me like more of a general usability issue rather than a specific accessibility one (as overly long pages will likely affect all users, not just specifically users with disabilities, though it may make their experience far more tedious). And no, there doesn't seem to be anything specific in WCAG 2.0 on this matter.
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>> It's difficult to say what length a page should be..."as long as it needs to be" is possibly the only advice I could give.
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>> If this was part of an audit, I'd add it as a general remark about usability.
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>> Sorry, not very helpful I guess...
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