While watching a replay of Guerrero-Berto as part of the Mayweather vs Guerrero preview last night. It came to my mind Andre Berto (undefeated then, before he lost to Ortiz) was supposed to be one fighting Manny Pacquiao in cinco de mayo two years ago instead of grandpa Shane Mosley, and a year later, Pacman was robbed against a black guy, Timothy Bradley.

Will Berto, then unbeaten, get the judges' nod against Pac, not that he's gonna beat him.

While watching a replay of Guerrero-Berto as part of the Mayweather vs Guerrero preview last night. It came to my mind Andre Berto (undefeated then, before he lost to Ortiz) was supposed to be one fighting Manny Pacquiao in cinco de mayo two years ago instead of grandpa Shane Mosley, and a year later, Pacman was robbed against a black guy, Timothy Bradley.

Will Berto, then unbeaten, get the judges' nod against Pac, not that he's gonna beat him.

There was never a Pacquiao-Berto fight. Berto was supposed to fight Mosley but cancelled because of a crisis in his home country. There are promotional reasons why Pac-Berto will likely never be made.

I kinda liked Khan for a while, but he's starting to fall off my radar. Maybe if he turns out to rattle off some wins, I might be interested again, especially if they're mostly stoppages. Man, I thought Wladimir had chin issues.

I kinda liked Khan for a while, but he's starting to fall off my radar. Maybe if he turns out to rattle off some wins, I might be interested again, especially if they're mostly stoppages. Man, I thought Wladimir had chin issues.

I think Wlads chin is fine. Just his reaction to getting hit is the problem.

Khan to a lesser degree. Dumb goddamn fighter if i ever saw one. His discipline and defense (maybe both are ego problems?) are the bigger liability in my opinion.

Bradley is a better fighter altogether than Berto. I had Pacquaio a clear winner vs Tim but Bradley put up a better fight than Andre would have and thats WITH the injuries! Berto is pretty dangerous but nothing too special, great hand speed, explosive power (kinda like a Zab Judah type of power imo) and his flashy shots are pretty eye catching for judges. On the flip side He has a HORRIBLE defence, a questionable chin, a weak inside game, average mobility, can be out willed in there and despite his muscular squat frame a lack of physical strength. Also he busts up.
Tim Bradley? Id have him on my War Team Any day! The guy is so tenacious. He can box or brawl effectively and while he isnt the hardest puncher out there he throws a lot to compensate. He has mad heart, i mean did u see the Ruslan Provodnikov fight??? He was actually Knocked out and still fighting for like the whole round! He's a man of Steel! Just a natural fighter with good instincts and unreal conditioning, what an engine he has.

Not a huge fan of either guy but Bradley way better.
Pacquaio would have knocked Berto cold

So you're saying their chins are better than people think. And you're saying Khan is good, but needs better discipline and/or training.

Wlad's chin, definitely. He can ship a good hard punch but it used to make him freeze and be open for another. Now it appears to shock him into a defensive mode (a very good one). He can ship accumulation as good as the next guy. Just like Ken Norton really.

Khan's chin also to a degree, but it seems to be deteriorating. I feel his ego and ring IQ is going to keep him from ever being truly elite. Bad technique all around.