Mr. Anbu,
You have said.
"Peetaadhipathis like Kanchi Aachaarya also walked into Chery to
meet with paamara janas in order to stop conversion."
The answer is previously given by Mr.Vidyashankar for Guru Lakshana
Quote
5. *if some guru has a penchant for being in the news all the time, it is
suspicious, to say the least. Guru-dom is not a tradeable commodity to be
marketed and publicized via media outlets.
*Unquote
Regards,
Sriram
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> "As long as these leaders and the institutions they run are not frauds,
> and
> their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no condemning of
> them. Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those special
> groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can take
> them up the spiritual ladder."
>> I completely agree with Subramanianji on this.
>> Swamy Nithyaananda is a blend of Ramakrishna Mission with his own roots in
> Thiruvannamalai and Ramana Maharshi. He is more of a Hindu than
> Ramakrishna
> Mission. He is no different from Swamy Chinmayananda or Swamy Dhayananda
> except that he has more native followings.
>> I suspect the hand of Christian Missionaries who are international in
> character and the ever detracting culprits of adharmic secularists in the
> media, never ending vishamis of the Dravidian politicians and their
> constant robbing of properties of peaceful citizens using goondaism and
> blackmail and so on. Our Hindu temples are owned and operated by the
> politicians as their cash cow. There are no kshathriyas to protect our
> dharma. We all have to wake up to this reality while talking philosophy.
>> Since the advent of secularism the varnasrama dharma has gravely weakened.
> This has not only created confusion on the minds of the janas on their
> purushaartha but also not provided guidance from Madaadhipathis who were
> increasingly getting into their shell away from the common folks. The
> vacuum got filled by spiritual leaders from non-sampradhaaya traditions
> many
> of whom are doing a great job of unifying the Hindus thirsting for
> spiritual
> guidance. Peetaadhipathis like Kanchi Aachaarya also walked into Chery to
> meet with paamara janas in order to stop conversion. I do not think other
> traditional Achaaryas such as Sringeri Achaarya would venture into such
> revolutionary act. Swamy Chinmayananda and Swamy Dhayaananda do not belong
> to Sampradhaaya traditions. In fact they belonged to the elitist group who
> completely shunned Karma Kaanda but people like Sathya Sai Bhaaba conduct
> yagnas.
>> But all these non-traditional Swamys are a source of inspiration for the
> Hindu diaspora abroad who for all practical purposes have given up on
> varnaasrama dharma. In some sense they do peddle yoga, thanthra and
> gnyaana
> to Hindus of Indian origin and non-Hindus who are dissatisfied with their
> own religion. In a way they are more rooted in the west. In India
> Ramakrishna Mission got attacked by the secularists and so they had to say
> they are their own religion different from mainstream Hindus in order to
> save themselves from the attack from the secular laws.
>> Thus we should all realize that secularism is the main cause for the attack
> on Hinduism and the only way to protect Hinduism is the revival of the
> Kshathriyas. Sri Aurobhindho advocated this but it is yet to be fulfilled.
>> Om Sri GurubyO Namaha
> Anbu
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:09 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> >wrote:
>> > Dear Satish ji,
> >
> > You have highlighted some important issues. Especially the ones
> regarding
> > conversion and the target of atheistic forces is of great concern to all
> > our
> > Hindu Religious leaders, Peethadhipathis, big and small, cutting across
> > internal deity/school/sampradaya differences.
> >
> > I have witnessed the Pejawar Mutt Seer (Madhva) working in unison with
> the
> > Adi Chunchanagiri Swami (Gowda/Vokkaliga). They hold joint programmes,
> > share the same dias and address a lot of issues concerning the lower
> > starata
> > of the society, caste-wise and class-wise.
> >
> > If the lower caste Hindus have to be weaned away from the lures of the
> > forces bent upon conversion, a number of strategies become the need of
> the
> > hour.
> >
> > Not all people of the Hindu fold are adhikAri-s for shAstra education.
> > There are a number of sections who do not even come under the varna
> dharma.
> > Their religious requirements, in the ultimate view of their spiritual
> > development must be taken care of. Not all Peethams are cut out for
> this.
> > There is a need for certain kind of institutions, leaders, practices,
> etc.
> > that are suited for such people who do not come under the
> shAstra-adhikAri
> > groups.
> >
> > As long as these leaders and the institutions they run are not frauds,
> and
> > their goals are not anti social, adhArmic, there should be no condemning
> of
> > them. Leaders, especially with charisma are looked upon by those special
> > groups, who indeed form the majority of our society, as those who can
> take
> > them up the spiritual ladder.
> >
> > Take for instance the Melmaruvathur institution. To my knowledge for the
> > last nearly three decades this institution has been a centre of great
> > religious awakening. Innumerable people, especially from the non-brahmin
> > communities, are followers of this 'Amma' who is a male. He is very
> famous
> > in that part of the Tamil Nadu state. A lot of funds generagted there is
> > spent on professional education colleges, social upliftment programmes,
> > etc. I have known a number of Brahmin women and a few men too who are
> > ardent devotees of this 'Amma'. They observe vratams, like Sabarimalai
> > devotees, annually and make devout pilgrimages.
> >
> > The Sathya Sai phenomenon of Puttaparthi too is one such. We may not see
> > much of ShAstra learning, etc. there. Yet, these institutions provide
> > great
> > solace to a large majority of the society. Their religious and spiritual
> > needs are greatly catered to by these institutions. I think the
> > proliferation of such institutions came as a natural consequence of
> people
> > realizing that the Peethams of the Top Class are more Brahmin-friendly
> and
> > to a certain extent non-inclusive. This is a fact that none can deny.
> >
> > At the end of the day, the test is: Is a leader and the institution
> > indulging in fraud, anti social, anti government and adhArmic activities?
> > If they can't be faulted on these grounds, there should be no objection
> to
> > their functioning, leading people to the higher spiritual goals.
> >
> > We do not know who needs what kind of guidance. The Protector, Provider
> > God
> > has innumerable plans, devices, methods, paths laid out for each
> > individual. He attracts people to His fold thru miracles, siddhis, cures
> > for afflictions, and the like. For a vast majority of people the initial
> > steps to spirituality could be these. They need to tread this path. The
> > finer aspects of spiritual growth through shAstra shravaNam is a distant
> > goal for them. They will be lead by Providence to this goal. Several
> > factors are involved in this growth and Swamis and Swaminis of a variety
> of
> > class do have a role to play.
> >
> > Om Tat Sat
> > v.subrahmanian
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since it is a lengthy article, here are some highlights.
> > >
> > > "What became evident to me was that there was “cooperation” in informal
> > and
> > > unofficial ways among the media, police and lower level judiciary. In
> > fact,
> > > many third parties were aware of the attack in advance and had warned
> his
> > > people before it happened with specific details of the plan. For
> > instance,
> > > one of his top devotees got a phone call from someone based in New York
> > > describing the media and police attack that was to come. His
> predictions
> > > turned out to be accurate but at that time the ashramites did not take
> > the
> > > threat literally. He said that for the right sum of money he could be
> > > helpful in preventing such an attack. He claimed that the planning for
> > this
> > > attack had started a year ago. He mentioned that a budget of Rs 200
> > crores
> > > was allocated by some overseas groups to demolish Hindu gurus
> especially
> > in
> > > south India, and named two south Indian churches as the nodal agencies
> to
> > > coordinate this strategic plan. (I am presently pursuing these leads as
> > > part of my book investigation.) "
> > >
> > > "
> > >
> > > "These common folks, mostly from the lower strata of Tamil
> > > society, had walked 300 kilometers for this journey which they saw as a
> > > spiritual pilgrimage. The reason for the anger of Christian and
> Dravidian
> > > forces is that his activities have put a dampener to conversions in
> many
> > > districts, and several Christians have return to Hinduism by getting
> > > initiated formally into his organization. The swami himself has spoken
> > > against conversions, and has also stated that the Dravidian movement
> had
> > > made Tamil people unspiritual in their lives, and that this had caused
> > > social decay. His Tamil language publications and courses have become
> his
> > > most popular ones, far exceeding the numbers in English. Also he is a
> > very
> > > big threat because he is not a Brahmin. Because he cannot be targeted
> > using
> > > the classical attack on Brahmins, and because the masses in Tamil Nadu
> > were
> > > rising to swell his ranks, the threat he posed to the existing
> political
> > > power structure had to be stopped one way or another."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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