CR-AH would solve the issue of not having stuff in AH with CRZ, that was what I thought

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

So I was bored while waiting for AV, and flew around Storm Peaks. At 2 am zone time, I saw 5 hunters from 4 different servers camping a rare in one spot. As I hovered over, counting them, the rare spawns, and one tries to tame, and another kills it. Guess that's working as intended. Glad I'm done with any old world rares myself, because it would suck now.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Worldie wrote:CR-AH would solve the issue of not having stuff in AH with CRZ, that was what I thought

CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

So sorry to the people who are mad they can't have entire zones to themselves anymore. They complain about how world pvp was dead and how everything felt so empty just like they complained about how LK was too easy and when they change things everyone bawls and complains about how unfair it is and how they're going to quit.

The players have absolutely no clue what they want aside from wanting one more thing to bitch about.

So because it benefits PVP it's a success? err.. not.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:So I was bored while waiting for AV, and flew around Storm Peaks. At 2 am zone time, I saw 5 hunters from 4 different servers camping a rare in one spot. As I hovered over, counting them, the rare spawns, and one tries to tame, and another kills it. Guess that's working as intended. Glad I'm done with any old world rares myself, because it would suck now.

That never happened before cross realm zones. Everyone was nice and civil to each other.

Newsom wrote:Try leveling a profession on a super low population server and see how you like CRZ then. Doesn't matter how much gold you have, there are no materials to buy on the auction house and farming is a hot mess.

I leveled multiple professions post CRZ as I shifted around which of my alts had what professions and had zero issues farming ore for engineering and jewelcrafting.

halabar wrote:Was talking this over with a programmer/server admin I know, and our hunch is that this is all being done to allow them to virtualize their server farm, so while there still might be "realms" they are not on individual blade servers anymore. So, the result is they can actually merge servers without ever admitting to doing so, since they can dynamically scale resources between servers as the population changes.

This is dumb. When people talk about merging servers they mean realms not actual server hardware.

halabar wrote:So because it benefits PVP it's a success? err.. not.

Because it makes farming and rare hunting harder it is a failure?

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

I think what annoys me the most is that this was supposed to fix leveling zones feeling empty (aka no other players in your level range to quest with/compete with) but what is happening in practice is that all zones are instead filled with max level characters who do nothing but detract from the leveling experience.

Have you been to Hellfire Peninsula lately at level 60? I had to boost my friend through dungeons just so he could get past the zone (10-20 level 85 gankers killing everyone low level on both sides).

Then there's the whole fact that there are no low level herbs on my server's AH, and it took over 2 hours to farm 5 stacks of Swiftthistle. I counted 10 herbing druids in Hillsbrad at one point.

You miss my point as to why they are doing this. The point is that they are likely doing this to manage server resources. I can't see how they would consider this effort just to populate Ungoro Crater with more people, when they routinely add more to make lower levels trivial. Either this is part of the server resource allocation, or a byproduct of it. If they can manage resources better by balancing people in zones, and by having less instances of a zone live, then it makes sense on their part. It's basically load balancing. Combine 150 instances of Ungoro Crater into 10 or so, that can be dynamically managed.

And if I'm right, we won't see them fix the fishing tournaments by un-CRZing them. Instead, they'll CRZ the whole continent in the case of Northrend. Not sure what they'll do with Stranglethorn. Or they might just remove the tournaments from Salty alltogether.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Newsom wrote:Then there's the whole fact that there are no low level herbs on my server's AH, and it took over 2 hours to farm 5 stacks of Swiftthistle. I counted 10 herbing druids in Hillsbrad at one point.

That's impossible, Flex is always right.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Newsom wrote:Have you been to Hellfire Peninsula lately at level 60? I had to boost my friend through dungeons just so he could get past the zone (10-20 level 85 gankers killing everyone low level on both sides).

But that's what guys like Flex want, the ability to gank...

Basically they are giving every server the problems of a high-pop server.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Newsom wrote:Have you been to Hellfire Peninsula lately at level 60? I had to boost my friend through dungeons just so he could get past the zone (10-20 level 85 gankers killing everyone low level on both sides).

But that's what guys like Flex want, the ability to gank...

Basically they are giving every server the problems of a high-pop server.

With none of the benefits. (Working economy, people to PUG with)

Anothing thing is it dismounts people on your 2 person rocket when flying into a CRZ zone. Super fun going from Blade's Edge -> Netherstorm only to have my firend fall down into the nether randomly. Twice.

I don't understand why people flag on PvE servers. There's a huge amount of corpses everywhere near dark portal on our server.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

So sorry to the people who are mad they can't have entire zones to themselves anymore. They complain about how world pvp was dead and how everything felt so empty just like they complained about how LK was too easy and when they change things everyone bawls and complains about how unfair it is and how they're going to quit.

The players have absolutely no clue what they want aside from wanting one more thing to bitch about.

So because it benefits PVP it's a success? err.. not.

Yeah you're right.. that's totally the sole reason why aside from the fact I'm not so delusional I expect to play a game of 9 million people by myself with absolutely no one around.

So sorry to the people who are mad they can't have entire zones to themselves anymore. They complain about how world pvp was dead and how everything felt so empty just like they complained about how LK was too easy and when they change things everyone bawls and complains about how unfair it is and how they're going to quit.

The players have absolutely no clue what they want aside from wanting one more thing to bitch about.

So because it benefits PVP it's a success? err.. not.

Yeah you're right.. that's totally the sole reason why aside from the fact I'm not so delusional I expect to play a game of 9 million people by myself with absolutely no one around.

Tell that to the RPers that got raped in Goldshire by a PVP-PVE CRZ combination. Take 50 RPers at an event, and add in 3 horde DKs...

MMO does NOT mean perpetual combat. PVE servers exist for a reason.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:Tell that to the RPers that got raped in Goldshire by a PVP-PVE CRZ combination. Take 50 RPers at an event, and add in 3 horde DKs...

MMO does NOT mean perpetual combat. PVE servers exist for a reason.

iirc, you are only flagged outside of your faction zoneswhich are the zones containing capital cities and the zones adjacent to themIE Elwynn forest, Westfall, Redridge Mtns, and Duskwood around SW with North Barrens, Mulgore and Durotar around Ogr

any one of the opposite faction should be flagged already, but unless you were already flagged, you should be flagged in Goldshire as an alliance

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

halabar wrote:Tell that to the RPers that got raped in Goldshire by a PVP-PVE CRZ combination. Take 50 RPers at an event, and add in 3 horde DKs...

MMO does NOT mean perpetual combat. PVE servers exist for a reason.

iirc, you are only flagged outside of your faction zoneswhich are the zones containing capital cities and the zones adjacent to themIE Elwynn forest, Westfall, Redridge Mtns, and Duskwood around SW with North Barrens, Mulgore and Durotar around Ogr

any one of the opposite faction should be flagged already, but unless you were already flagged, you should be flagged in Goldshire as an alliance

Bad things are still happening with it. Want to go for a ride on my drake?...

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:Bad things are still happening with it. Want to go for a ride on my drake?...

huh?did i miss something again?

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Let's say there are 160 realms, which are now merged down to 20 CRZ realms. So, instead of node spawns adjusted for people on 160 different servers, you now have the node spawns of 20 servers providing Whiptail to those 160 servers. While the spawn rare does increase based on the number of people in the zone, it's going to be increased so much as to balance out 160 servers going down to twenty. And that Whiptail is not going to be evenly distributed across all those servers.

End result: Less mats on the market on most servers.

A friend of mine who dabbles in botting noted that he saw at one point 20-30 bots in Uldum, mostly from high-pop servers.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

what does that have to do with my point of lowbie ally RPers shouldnt be getting flagged while in goldshire?

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

halabar wrote:You miss my point as to why they are doing this. The point is that they are likely doing this to manage server resources. I can't see how they would consider this effort just to populate Ungoro Crater with more people, when they routinely add more to make lower levels trivial. Either this is part of the server resource allocation, or a byproduct of it.

Yeah, it can't possibly be for the reason they claim, which was to make the world feel "alive" and populated again. That would just be silly. An overblown conspiracy theory based on a largely presumptive knowledge of their server architecture is much more likely.