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Enough of the smart remarks and taking pot shots at people and keep to the facts. It is not a social club at all, but these players need to feel management is committed. We need to be able to keep these type of players and attract others, so we do not want them with the mindset that all decisions are strictly financial (as they apparently have as their mindset now).

Until TC got to N.O. and teamed up with CP3 EVERYBODY had labeled him as a bust. CP3 almost got TC into the all star game last year...

now riddle me this... who will OKC use to bring this out of him? TC was a perfect fit in N.O. because he had a PG that could get him shots. There's not a "pass-1st" PG on OKC's roster.

I think he'll be a good "role-player" for them... grab some boards... block some shots... but he won't reach the level where he was last season with OKC.

I agree that TC's production will probably suffer with OKC (at least until Westbrook grows up and learns to play as a team player). However, it is not about what he does for OKC, it is what he meant to us. If Wilcox can come in and be a good defender and is able to play toe to toe with Duncan and Gasol/Bynum and the team is able to sign him after the season, then maybe everyone will forget about Tyson.

I agree that TC's production will probably suffer with OKC (at least until Westbrook grows up and learns to play as a team player). However, it is not about what he does for OKC, it is what he meant to us. If Wilcox can come in and be a good defender and is able to play toe to toe with Duncan and Gasol/Bynum and the team is able to sign him after the season, then maybe everyone will forget about Tyson.

I doubt they'll leave that all on Wilcox... now that we also have Jow Smith I think we'll be able to send more guys out and not lose much production... I think that's why I like the trade so much.

Joe Smith can paly some defense... he's no "Camby", but he's a prideful guy that will get in there and do what he can. His offensive game is nice... he has a nice mid-range game (similar to D-West), and he has a nicee post game that he can use to score and he knows how to draw fouls.

Wilcox plays the same game as Tyson... he runs the pick/roll and finished STRONG... but he also has a good 15-17 foot jumper. He's a monster on the glass too, and HE MAKES FREE THROWS.

I think we'll be OK... its just for some reason.. after reading alot of posts in different threads... I get the feeling that SOME "fans" would rather see the team fail just to prove their point that we'll miss TC.

I'm in the minority that believes this worked out great for us... maybe its because I'm just elated that we got Wilcox. I love the guy's game.

I was reading about the other guy that we got from OKC, and he seems to be a Tyson "clone"... got this from another thread...

What Hardin will be able to do in the pros is finish off pick-and-rolls, off-ball cuts, and by sealing his man on the block, utilizing his size and athletic ability in all three areas to make himself an easy target and a strong finisher. As for the rest of his offensive game, his mid-range jumper is very inconsistent and not very effective, and he’s not a great free-throw shooter either, finishing at 64% this season.

We need to be able to keep these type of players and attract others, so we do not want them with the mindset that all decisions are strictly financial (as they apparently have as their mindset now).

We didn't suddenly realize we were over the cap or in luxury tax hell. As George said, he was committed to doing what it took...including eating the luxury tax pill. Things didnt' work out. He would be foolish to sit on this team as it is and pay the luxury tax. He WILL do what it takes, but it takes more than one move to undo what you thought was THE right mix. If TC were healthy and productive...and dependable for a long term (the real story no one wants to accept or understand) Shinn wouldn't have made this move.

If Chris or David don't understand that, they are stupid....and thats not the case...they are emotional. Like I've said a million times before, this lockeroom is a tight ship. Like the fans, I guess Chris, David and Byron are forgetting that this is a business.

George Shinn told everybody in the organization that if one bad comment about either Oklahoma City (in 2005/2006/2007) or New Orleans (2007/2008) was attributed in the press to ANY Hornets employee or player, he would be traded or fired.

I heard that straight from the horse's mouth. Shinn actually takes CREDIT for this and wears it as a badge of honor. It's part of his "aww shucks I'm in this with ya'll" routine that he had going for so long in Charlotte. Everybody abided by that dictum until West and Scott broke free yesterday.

Nobody included Byron Scott's quote, incidentally...

"But I've been doing this for nine years, and this was the toughest one to handle. I know we as coaches are not supposed to be emotionally involved, but I've seen the development of that young man, and knowing what type of person he is made it very difficult."

Wilcox plays the same game as Tyson... he runs the pick/roll and finished STRONG... but he also has a good 15-17 foot jumper. He's a monster on the glass too, and HE MAKES FREE THROWS.

Wilcox is not a good free throw shooter if I recall (probably similar to Tyson). I hope he succeeds as I want the Hornets to do well. I also hope he does well enough that we sign him to a 2-3 year deal at a reasonable price. If not, I am not sure where we get our center for next year from.

Looks like the Hornets tried to unload Chandler to the Bulls for Gooden and Noah. It doesn't say if the Bulls rejected it or if the Hornets prefered the Thunder offer, my guess would the former since Chandler doesn't really bring a new dimension to their interior game, they seem to be looking for interior scoring hence the Bosh / Amaré rumors.

I would have prefer that trade as well because even if Noah might not be the next big thing, he is alright, he is developping and we would have been able to keep him for at least the next 2 years because he is on his rookie contract. Unfortunately, it takes 2 willing teams to make a trade.

the bigger picture... yeah well it's not like we have any other choice but too accept it ! That said if our FO really thinks that Chandler's condition will be a chronic one, I guess I can accept that trade, better get rid of him before he ends up like Grant Hill in Orlando!

Will this New Orleans Hornets trade, and future moves, square with Chris Paul?

Well...last week I was taking up for JD because of his understanding whats going on inside the Hornets. In this piece he thinks he nails the story but misses the real story. Yes, keeping Chris happy is an important part of this...but can you keep Chris happy with a 7-1 C who is watching from the bench and eating up 12M dollars of cap space and causing the team additional financial penalties in the process? JD is missing the real story (that comes BEFORE the CP matter)....which is uncommon for him.

DWest has never been on lockdown about what he "could" say. He just doesn't talk. I don't think anybody, anywhere, could tell him what to do or say, ever. It's just his nature to not comment. The fact that he did comment, and comment like he did, says a lot about how he feels. And I completely agree with the above about CP. Hopefully he was at least given all the information, even if what he would prefer wasn't what happened, he should be in the loop.

I disagree with this statement. DWest strikes me as the type of guy that will say what is on his mind, if it needs to be said. He has been instructed too keep his mouth shut. I would bet.

this is the loser mentality that is killing this team....how do u know we cant beat them? Our starting five healthy with tyson is probably the best in the league....CP3 is one of or if not the most competitive player in the NBA....he damn well wouldnt sit here and say. We cant beat this team or that team...Hes not like that...and to have that mentality around a player like this is causing him to think twice about this team...because too many people on this organization make comments like that...now im hearing people say Tyson was never gonna bounce back, when he was averaging a double double RIGHT before he got hurt...but no one notices that...or about our 21-11 record with him, and our under 500 record without him, This is why everyone is disappointed. We dont even get a chance to see what this team can do THIS YEAR, because of something that we have to worry about 3 years later?...How do you even know if CP3 is 100 percent by that time? God forbid he has a horrible injury, then what next? you throw away a chance for him to win a championship because of a business move?....If basketball was such a business, why are there small market teams? Why not just leave it to LA , miami, CLe, Chi, and Boston? The game is played to win, maybe most people dont understand that concept clearly, but its players like Chris Paul with a competitive nature that think that way...and throwing away a season for something really irrelevant to THESE TIMES AT THE MOMENT is not something hes impressed with, and I agree with him

i stopped taking your post seriously after i read "when healthy we have the best Starting 5 in the league" that is absolute homerism at it's best.

after hearing we didn't get any draft picks in return i thought the trade was very stupid. but it's been proven that Bower hasn't been able to pull off the good deals and always leaves us ion the short end of deals. with that being said i do think that the combination of Joe Smith and Wilcox will give us more production out of the 5 spot than at anytime Tyson wore a Hornets jersey. yes Tyson was presence in the middle, but teams didn't fear him cause he wasn't that great of a shot blocker ,most of his blocks came on help defense, something both Smith and Wilcox do well. Tyson for as athletic as people think he was did not have great lateral movement. something both of these guys posses.

throughout your post you mentioned CP3, and he was the reason Tyson even became the type of player he was and he will be the reason these 2 guys perform at a high level. both guys have shown flashes throughout their career and it was all done with out a PG like Paul. he will no doubt raise the level of their games which will reflect greatly on the offensive end and help this team betetr cause they won't be essentially playing 4 on 5 on that end of the floor.

fact of the matter is, this team is in Salary Cap hell and whether our owner is cheap or not, you cannot warrant paying a guy $12 mil a year when he's only scoring 8 PPG unless he's pulling down 20 RPG and is the defensive player of the year...... something Tyson is not

I doubt they'll leave that all on Wilcox... now that we also have Jow Smith I think we'll be able to send more guys out and not lose much production... I think that's why I like the trade so much.

Joe Smith can paly some defense... he's no "Camby", but he's a prideful guy that will get in there and do what he can. His offensive game is nice... he has a nice mid-range game (similar to D-West), and he has a nicee post game that he can use to score and he knows how to draw fouls.

Wilcox plays the same game as Tyson... he runs the pick/roll and finished STRONG... but he also has a good 15-17 foot jumper. He's a monster on the glass too, and HE MAKES FREE THROWS.

I think we'll be OK... its just for some reason.. after reading alot of posts in different threads... I get the feeling that SOME "fans" would rather see the team fail just to prove their point that we'll miss TC.

I'm in the minority that believes this worked out great for us... maybe its because I'm just elated that we got Wilcox. I love the guy's game.

I was reading about the other guy that we got from OKC, and he seems to be a Tyson "clone"... got this from another thread...

great post
i'm joining the minority with you. i've been hoping since we got CP3 that we could get Wilcox, dude was a beast when he was given the ball in spots he liked in college with Steve Blake as his PG. he is a guy who will defend and run the court and provide and offensive game well beyond TC

i stopped taking your post seriously after i read "when healthy we have the best Starting 5 in the league" that is absolute homerism at it's best.

after hearing we didn't get any draft picks in return i thought the trade was very stupid. but it's been proven that Bower hasn't been able to pull off the good deals and always leaves us ion the short end of deals. with that being said i do think that the combination of Joe Smith and Wilcox will give us more production out of the 5 spot than at anytime Tyson wore a Hornets jersey. yes Tyson was presence in the middle, but teams didn't fear him cause he wasn't that great of a shot blocker ,most of his blocks came on help defense, something both Smith and Wilcox do well. Tyson for as athletic as people think he was did not have great lateral movement. something both of these guys posses.

throughout your post you mentioned CP3, and he was the reason Tyson even became the type of player he was and he will be the reason these 2 guys perform at a high level. both guys have shown flashes throughout their career and it was all done with out a PG like Paul. he will no doubt raise the level of their games which will reflect greatly on the offensive end and help this team betetr cause they won't be essentially playing 4 on 5 on that end of the floor.

fact of the matter is, this team is in Salary Cap hell and whether our owner is cheap or not, you cannot warrant paying a guy $12 mil a year when he's only scoring 8 PPG unless he's pulling down 20 RPG and is the defensive player of the year...... something Tyson is not

First of all if you arent gonna read the post, then dont quote it and make a mistake...because i didnt say the best...i said probably the best which isnt a "homer" opinion if you take the "Im too UN biased to make sense glasses off"....and go head to toe in the starting lineup WHEN HEALTHY and compare it to all the teams in the league...My point is pretty understandable, so if that screams homer to you..then allow me to scream self hater to you if you're gonna take it to that level...however to be mature and analyse your post....im sure wilcox would help, and im sure tyson was overpaid...but to make this move AT THIS POINT OF THE SEASON is not the way to go regardless if we save money or not...and to point out about Tyson, You cant teach 7 ft..you just cant, he is a center that can ALter shots, even when hes not trying to defend the paint if you say...he still alters shots by his presence...the numbers dont lie, when we are with him, we are 21 11, without him, we are what 10-10/11?...its what it is...I can go on a limb and say we wont be significantly better with this so called genius salary cut dump or whatever in the future, and CP3 wont be wanting to wait that long to see if this works...hes too competitive...its not just about the business..because you have to consider the PLAYERS who make this work...and if they arent happy, all this salary talk doesnt and wont matter period

I was there, I heard him say it. Opening night Shinn came center court and told the fan's thank you for the support and "we will do whatever it takes to win the NBA championship"

Oh really George! You should have said " We will do whatever it takes to win a championship except pay the luxury tax"

Way to go George, way to alienate all your new season ticket holders! It will be interesting to see what happens next year. Im still renewing but I have already talked to alot of people who are not renewing.

We were not going to win a championship this year with the Cavs, Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics all having superior depth and overall talent. We could have gone to the conference finals and no further. Stop kidding yourself.

This trade is part of what it takes to "win a championship." - A championship in the future.

Holding onto Chandler's contract would have put the franchise's future in New Orleans in jeopardy. Small market teams have to operate within their financial means, like it or not.

If you truly care about the Hornets, then, stop encouraging people to be pessimists with all of this doom and gloom talk and negative speculation of lower season ticket sales next year.

Here are a few positives:

1. This move along with the possibility of moving Peja's contract allows the Hornets to go after another big name in 2010. If this happens the Hornets could have 3 Allstar caliber players. Remind you of another team, i.e. Boston.

2. The addition of Joe Smith and Chris Wilcox provide the Hornets with more front court depth and scoring options.

3. Wilcox and Smith have both played in more games than Tyson this year.

I wish Tyson the best in the future, but it is very possible that he peaked last year.

Chris and Tyson were real close... I think Chris's feelings run way beyond "basketball", and more to "losing a family member".

CP will be delighted at what he gets... he gets 2 bigs... one that can run the pick/roll with him and not skip a beat, and another that can play pick/pop and nail that mid range jumper... as well as get some points down low.

Tyson will be missed, but hey... its a business... call Shinn cheap or whatever, but this is a move that hd to be made. I hope they're not done dealing.

I doubt they'll leave that all on Wilcox... now that we also have Jow Smith I think we'll be able to send more guys out and not lose much production... I think that's why I like the trade so much.

Joe Smith can paly some defense... he's no "Camby", but he's a prideful guy that will get in there and do what he can. His offensive game is nice... he has a nice mid-range game (similar to D-West), and he has a nicee post game that he can use to score and he knows how to draw fouls.

Wilcox plays the same game as Tyson... he runs the pick/roll and finished STRONG... but he also has a good 15-17 foot jumper. He's a monster on the glass too, and HE MAKES FREE THROWS.

I think we'll be OK... its just for some reason.. after reading alot of posts in different threads... I get the feeling that SOME "fans" would rather see the team fail just to prove their point that we'll miss TC.

I'm in the minority that believes this worked out great for us... maybe its because I'm just elated that we got Wilcox. I love the guy's game.

I was reading about the other guy that we got from OKC, and he seems to be a Tyson "clone"... got this from another thread...