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Tsundere is basically a reinvention of the most cliched one-dimensional anime characters.

Anime-watchers are used to basically differentiating the characters in anime based on their hair color, bust size, or a prevailing personality trait. Many of the characters, a lot of the borne out the fire and brimstone of date-sim bishoujo games, are so far lacking in real character and real personality, that the only way to tell apart one girl from another is that one is petite and has pink hair and the other is tall and has blue hair (yes, Kimi ga..., I am bashing YOU!).

These characters usually have a single character trait that makes them what they are. Date-sims convertions are a very good indicator. Take Love Hina. You can tell Mitsune apart because she is a drunk and flirty. Madoka is a pseudo-miko-cum-samurai. Shinobu is a timid loli.

They are so one-dimentional because it makes them easier to understand. The audience these shows are aimed at is too young to be able to grasp the nuances of complex character relationships found in seinen or josei, thus the need for highly simplyfied, one-dimensional characters who exist to fulfill a single role.

But, over the years, even this simplicity gets a bit tiring, thus the totally bogus invention of the 'tsundere' character.

A Tsundere is a one-dimensional character multiplied by 2. She is one type of character half of the time, and another type of character the other half, which offers some novelty, but does not solve the fundamental problem that these kind of date-sim-spawned characters are absolutely devoid of life.

Since the tsun-tsun and dere-dere personalities are the most prevalent and simplistic among the cliches that pester date-sim convesions, combining them into one has been a no-brainer.

I know that 'tsundere' is now considered 'moe' among some fans, but don't let that simple attraction to bitchy-turned-sweet characters fool you into thinking that they in fact have multi-faceted personalities. The don't. They exhibit two personalities not because they are complex, but because that creates an illusion of complexity.

Here Here, I'll drink to that post! Mmmmmmm, Root Beer! Right then, back to Code Geass. Sheesh Ya'll (meaning everybody in this thread) need to go watch Legend of The Galactic Heroes or something. Then come back and talk about character.

No, Lum is very consistent in her affection towards Ataru and all of her anger is just. To qualify for tsundere streotype, the character must show excessively negative outburst to mundane matters by the other character. Ataru was publicly asking for sex to strangers, thus would have been arrested or beaten to pulp by someone else anyway, had Lum not intervened first, in a way saving him from legal troubles and furthur humiliations. Ataru is the lustiest(?) person in the universe, so it will take extraordinary force to stop him, so you can't really say Lum's lightening bolts are excessive.Ran is closest of Urusei Yatsura Characters to tsundere type. Of course, the person nobody wants to anger is O-Yuki Sama.

No, Lum is very consistent in her affection towards Ataru and all of her anger is just. To qualify for tsundere streotype, the character must show excessively negative outburst to mundane matters by the other character. Ataru was publicly asking for sex to strangers, thus would have been arrested or beaten to pulp by someone else anyway, had Lum not intervened first, in a way saving him from legal troubles and furthur humiliations. Ataru is the lustiest(?) person in the universe, so it will take extraordinary force to stop him, so you can't really say Lum's lightening bolts are excessive.Ran is closest of Urusei Yatsura Characters to tsundere type. Of course, the person nobody wants to anger is O-Yuki Sama.

Ran a tsundere? I have to disagree. She's not even close to being a tsundere as she does show affection towards Rei. She's more of a burikko.

I would opt for Benten or Fujinami Ryunosuke as being the closest to tsundere in Urusei Yatsura. They are both tomboyish at nature, but show signs of dere as well (especially Ryunosuke towards Shinobu wwww).

I guess it is best to say tsundere streotypes were not fully formed at the time of Urusei Yatsura. All the girls in Urusei Yatsura were rather complicated person when you got to know them, thus difficult to put them in to a streotype category. O-Yuki may remind you of cool beauty type, but she occasionally shows her 'playgirl' side ( remember her sigh while she says she wasted an opportunity of a fun little quickie with Ataru? ), tease ( how about some sherbets to her 'friends' she recently froze ), and her anger is terrible to behold, but most importantly, she was made many years before Rei of Evangellion fame.

I'm kinda split on the tsundere archtype... some of my top favorite anime characters fall under it (Asuka Langley-Sohryu, Urumi Kanzaki, Rin Tohsaka, etc), but some of my least favorite anime characters fall under the archtype as well. (Akane Tendo, Sakura Haruno, etc)

I find that I like tsundere characters as long as they're smart and competent (I mean that they're actually smart and competent, not just that the show tries to tell you that they're smart and competent when they're really not, like in Sakura Haruno's case) and not too abusive. The only exception to the rule that comes to mind is Naru, whom I've always liked for some reason that I can't figure out. Too hot to hate?

I'm kinda split on the tsundere archtype... some of my top favorite anime characters fall under it (Asuka Langley-Sohryu, Urumi Kanzaki, Rin Tohsaka, etc), but some of my least favorite anime characters fall under the archtype as well. (Akane Tendo, Sakura Haruno, etc)

I find that I like tsundere characters as long as they're smart and competent (I mean that they're actually smart and competent, not just that the show tries to tell you that they're smart and competent when they're really not, like in Sakura Haruno's case) and not too abusive. The only exception to the rule that comes to mind is Naru, whom I've always liked for some reason that I can't figure out. Too hot to hate?

It is kind of similar with me, only I don't like the Tsundere types in Harem series, like Narusegawa etc. I find them abusive and simply being jerks. To me Tsundere is more attractive in a more serious setting, ie. Evangelion etc.

I like to agree, except that Ataru's lust is literally out of the world, plus it is hard to label the character that popularized the word 'Harem' as mere tsundere. He is the first character I know of, that unabashedly expressed his desire to become a Harem Master.

Kizaki Tamayo? u-n, she's more of a hyper-active girl, than a tsun...
Michuru? u-n...not quite...
Nagaoka Shiho? Defintely not a tsundere. Hoshina Tomoko is more like a tsundere than Shiho.
Touka? Hmm... yappa chigauna~...

tteiuka, how can you guys forget Suigintou from "Rozen Maiden"? She's tsuntsun and "obakasa~n" to everyone except the occasional moe~ dere she shows towards Megu!!!

:O how can you miss out an obvious one...
Tohsaka Rin ~ Fate/Stay Night

I get the feeling she's being dodged. This despite the fact that's she's practically the poster girl for the archetype. She doesn't start out hard and go soft. She goes from one side to the other and back again, and she does so relatively naturally. As I got to know the character better, I felt I could see both sides at the same time. I recall some people complaining that Rin wasn't getting enough "character development" towards the end of the series, which I found ironic. I thought she was very well developed, and that the complainers were confusing character development with screen time.

She may be obvious, but she's inconvenient if you're dealing with the Tsundere archetype in absolute terms.

Kazuki seems rather shell-shocked by Yuuji's initial behavior... it doesn't take long before she starts smacking him for every little offense (and non-offense). Look closer; much of the abuse Yuuji takes in the series is undeserved.

So does Deunan Knute of Appleseed qualify as Tsundere? She is madly in love with Briareos, who was once her sensei of sorts... and after being VERY standoffish and untrusting to those who become her friends, she later becomes playful and protective of them. But to the rest of the world, she's an ice cold killing machine...

The two sides of her, the all business vs. sexy lover make her one of the more attractive characters in Manga. (more than in Anime, due to a really quality anime of Appleseed having never been accomplished) I loved her character from the start and even these many years later, find her attractive. More for her dedication and continuing care for those she loves than her hard public face...