Marcus Samuelsson Would Cook Catfish for Hillary Clinton

The Chef Talks Red Rooster, Harlem and a Hypothetical Dinner for Presidents

Marcus Samuelsson was born in Ethiopia, was raised in Sweden and lives in Harlem. He’s got restaurants in
New York, Chicago, Sweden, Norway and Bermuda. He has cooked for the Obamas and is friends with John Legend.
And his personal story is one of the more interesting stories you’ll find, among chefs, or anyone.

But he’s already told that tale, so his new work, The Red Rooster Cookbook: The Story of Food and
Hustle in Harlem, is a focused look at the food, people and history making up the neighborhood that he
calls home.

It’s a good read. Especially if you like compelling characters, humorous anecdotes, music and
fried-chicken recipes you’ll want to snatch right off the page (you
can ogle those here).

So we got Chef Samuelsson on the phone to ask him a few questions about his new book, Harlem and, obviously,
what he’d cook for each presidential candidate.

After coming to New York, what first drew you to Harlem?
I was always enamored and inspired by the community and had some friends there. So whether I went for music
or other events, I often found myself there among these beautiful brownstones and all the culture. I wanted
to be part of the community. Before that I lived in Midtown, which was great, but no one knows their
neighbors.

In your book you talk about the eclectic style of the Red Rooster. How do you describe the
food?
There are notes of the Harlem community mixed with undertones of my own background. So the fried yardbird
and shrimp and grits have Swedish and African influences. You have my grandma’s meatballs on the menu, and
see Ethiopian spices like berbere. And we’ve got some influences from the barrios of Spanish and Mexican
Harlem, too.

Music plays a large role in the book, both its history as it relates to Harlem, and also the
playlists in your restaurant. What’s your relationship to music?
Music is an art. It’s the narrative of Harlem. We have musicians from the neighborhood playing every day
or night, and it informs the setting and what we cook that day. The art and culture is not just there to be
pretty. It informs the food.

You’ve had restaurants in Minnesota, Chicago, Sweden, Norway and Bermuda, and worked in kitchens
in France. How do you find cooking for other parts of the country and world compares to cooking for New
Yorkers?
In Harlem, Red Rooster works so well because it’s part of the community. It’s one experience, even
though we have three different guests: locals who walk in, New Yorkers who make reservations and travelers
who read about us and make plans to visit.

Sweden is a very different place, but people come for the same reasons. You could be there because you live
nearby, or because you’re a foodie and visiting for the very first time. Across all the restaurants, we
try to maintain a local conversation that we drive through local talent and food.

What’s your favorite city for eating?
There are so many places, but I love Singapore. There you can have Indian for breakfast, hawker stall
Chinese food for lunch... the street food there is so amazing. But I also love what’s happening in America
right now. Even much smaller cities than New York, San Francisco and Chicago. I didn’t expect that. But
you see such a level of pride in chefs, and now you can have amazing food anywhere. The local cooking scenes
have become much more important across the country. For example, there’s so much happening in Oakland
right now that it rivals San Francisco. And Nashville and Austin are doing good things. It’s not just the
chefs but the community at large with all the farmers’ markets and food activists. Customers are better
for it because they get a better experience.

How would you describe the food scene in Harlem? Has it changed a lot since you opened your
restaurant in 2010?
The food scene is very diverse. Italian, Puerto Rican and Mexican food, Jamaican, Chinese and
African-American, of course. Japanese food is really strong right now, too. The big thing is this idea of
aspiration and inspiration. Young cooks used to leave Harlem to get inspired, but now they don’t have to.
There’s a movement now that, if you love food, stay uptown. If you’re a local entrepreneur, you can make
it happen here. It’s important that every borough and neighborhood has good food.

Your book suggests there’s an almost mythical, spiritual aspect to making fried chicken. Why does
that feeling persist with fried chicken specifically?
It’s a very relatable dish, yet people have their own secret recipes. You can cook the whole
animal—everything from the wing, thigh, breast—and it’s a protein that almost anyone can eat
regardless of religion or culture. It’s affordable, so it’s democratic. Koreans have their version.
Americans have their version. Everyone has a version. The chicken is a very diverse bird.

Let’s say I’m frying chicken at home. What are the most important tips to getting it
right?
Use a large pot, and fill it one-third to halfway full with oil so it doesn’t boil over. That hot oil is
intimidating. Second, once you drop in the chicken, reduce the temperature to 320. Keep the oil at 320 to
cook it through. Lift out the bird, let it rest and drop it back in for a second fry so it gets crispy. I
think thigh meat, bone-in, with the skin on assures you of having the most juicy bird.

What should we drink with our perfectly fried chicken?
I love beer. It works really well. But if it’s a big dinner party, I would go with a lighter wine like a
pinot noir. If I’m eating late at night, I would drink bourbon. It’s less about the chicken and more
about the time of day and who you’re with.

You cooked braised short ribs when President Obama stopped by. What would you prepare for a future
President Clinton or Trump?
Well, for Trump, I wouldn’t cook him anything, because he’d probably try to kick me out of the country.
I’m sure I wouldn’t be his first choice for a state dinner. Hillary is on the road a lot, working hard
and hustling. Catfish would be perfect. It’s flavorful and gives you energy to keep going.

Can John Legend cook?
John can throw down, absolutely. But he is a better singer and songwriter than he is a cook. Which is good.
He’s got to leave something for the rest of us.