Patch 5.4 - What to stock up?

So, I have been playing since Vanilla but I was never really into gold but I am now working on farming it up. What type of things should people be stocking up on for 5.4? I farm Windwool Cloth, Spirits of Harmony, Ore, Exotic Leather, Enchanting Mats etc.

I know obviously Living Steel is the big one however I only have one toon with Enchanting/Tailoring
Cloth doesn't seem like a big help since there is a literal fuck ton of it and I'm on Illidan
Spirits of Harmony are probably going to be useless so I've been using it to buy and AH Golden Lotus.

just living steel and golden lotus for flasks. But that is not to sell later, just to buy them now when they are cheap to use later.

Unless you play on a low pop server, there are going to be a lot of people thinking about this also.. so it never really works. Just buy your enchants, gems, LS and flasks now when they are cheap... but there probably won´t be much of a windfall to try to sell them later.. Happens every time on my server with gems.. as soon as a new raid hits, there are 10,000 people who have been saving gems who all try to dump them at the same time.

And from where do you have this information? Lots of people claim this but no one I asked so far has shown something like a breakdown that evidently assures there will be more new Items which require Living steel on demand than old Items requiring Living steel no longer on demand.

Originally Posted by Combooticus

Sha crystals and enchanting mats for all the new gear that people will enchanting

Enchanting mats I believe but the sha crystal tip is way too speculative and I would advise everybody not to touch these.
The other items like Ghost Iron or Golden Lotus which people speculate on can still be sold for a noteworthy amount even if the predictoins fail you are facing a minor loss only. Sha Crystals on the other hand may completely plummet, we're talking 60 Gold here.

And from where do you have this information? Lots of people claim this but no one I asked so far has shown something like a breakdown that evidently assures there will be more new Items which require Living steel on demand than old Items requiring Living steel no longer on demand.

There is a new mount that requires 30 Living Steel, two pets that require 15 Living Steel. Check all the "Dat Sky Golem" posts.

There is a new mount that requires 30 Living Steel, two pets that require 15 Living Steel. Check all the "Dat Sky Golem" posts.

I hear everyone that wants the mount is going to buy 30 living steel bars the day of the patch

Originally Posted by Fincher

And from where do you have this information? Lots of people claim this but no one I asked so far has shown something like a breakdown that evidently assures there will be more new Items which require Living steel on demand than old Items requiring Living steel no longer on demand.

Enchanting mats I believe but the sha crystal tip is way speculative and I would advise everybody not to touch these.
The other items like Ghost Iron or Golden Lotus which people speculate on can still be sold vor a noteworthy amount even if the predictoins fail you are facing a minor loss only. Sha Crystals on the other hand may completely plummet, we're talking 60 Gold here.

I hear everyone that wants the mount is going to buy 30 living steel bars the day of the patch

No, but even if people stock up, the demand will be higher than the supply -- sending prices through the roof. The only thing that could hurt this is if they decrease the amount of living steel needed for the mount, or not release the mount at all (which is also highly likely).

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Originally Posted by artem123

Every logical person will buy em now when its cheaper.

Right. And people who make money off the AH make it from people who are not logical. Most people do not know this mount is coming. When it becomes available advertising, flying around in game...the Living Steel won't be able to be kept on the AH.

To the OP: Unless there is some loot pinata in 5.4 that hands out epics besides the new raid, enchanting mats and gems aren't going to be a big seller. The lack of new 5 mans really hurts the gem and enchant market.

I hear everyone that wants the mount is going to buy 30 living steel bars the day of the patch

This, while sarcasticly put, is the truth of it.

It's like the trillium bars for the legendary questline, the run on those never happened either, cause the demand was so spread out and people had plenty of time to get the trillium ready. The Living Steel is more limited, and I suspect there'll be a tiny price rise because of scarcity of ore and lack of enough cooldowns, but it's not going to be a paradise for Transmute Alchemists to charge rediculous amounts of gold for the Living Steel they have/make.

OT: I stacked cloth bolts and GI bars for personal use, cause I know prices will go up slightly and I can buy the stuff cheaper right now. It's also a convenience thing where I just prepared all my shit so I just have to have my banker send my toons the ready made mats once every few days and I can concentrate on doing the fun stuff in 5.4, and not be looking for cheap ore and smelting bars or making bolts of cloth. Means I spend the least possible time on my daily cooldowns and can have fun then, where I'm bored and looking for things to do right now anyway.

For reselling it will depend on the server, but Ghost Iron ore is a safe bet to have. JC will need more of it for the gems in new gear, Engineers will need it for bars for the cooldown they get. Alchemists will need it to turn into trillium bars that they turn into Living Steel and trillium bars they sell on to Blacksmiths, who need the trillium bars for their cooldown each day.

No, but even if people stock up, the demand will be higher than the supply -- sending prices through the roof. The only thing that could hurt this is if they decrease the amount of living steel needed for the mount, or not release the mount at all (which is also highly likely).

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Right. And people who make money off the AH make it from people who are not logical. Most people do not know this mount is coming. When it becomes available advertising, flying around in game...the Living Steel won't be able to be kept on the AH.

To the OP: Unless there is some loot pinata in 5.4 that hands out epics besides the new raid, enchanting mats and gems aren't going to be a big seller. The lack of new 5 mans really hurts the gem and enchant market.

Point 1: I know that price will increase, however I expect most that want the mount day 1 will have the mats before the patch. And most people that dont know about it that want it will wait till the price of Living Steel to lower before buying.

Point 1: I know that price will increase, however I expect most that want the mount day 1 will have the mats before the patch. And most people that dont know about it that want it will wait till the price of Living Steel to lower before buying.

Point 2: See point 1.

Point 3: No faction requirement on epic items from launch factions.

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We'll have to wait and see I guess. I expect at least a 50% increase in Living Steel, if not 100% for at least 1 week. I'm rarely wrong with in game economies, but we can leave it at that.

I don't expect launch faction gear that is 80 item levels lower than current tier to be in high demand for gems and enchants. When ICC came out, people weren't gemming and enchanting their level 200 epics. Same with Dragon Soul.

There has to be 5 mans with the new raid to increase demand. When ICC + the 3 5 mans were released, gems went nuts. When the trolloics were released, nothing happened because the gear was worse than the current tier gear. Firelands same thing. If only 1 raid is released, the gear acquisition is too low to build a demand (unlike spamming new heroics). When Dragon Soul came out gems nearly quadrupled. Dragon Soul + the heroics + gear with double or triple gem slots, plus they killed a major botting program that made ore super scarce that patch.

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Originally Posted by xskarma

This, while sarcasticly put, is the truth of it.

It's like the trillium bars for the legendary questline, the run on those never happened either,

No, it did happen. For a two week period, on average the price of Trillium increased 25% in NA, and almost doubled in the EU.

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Originally Posted by usiris

Why do you think Sha's are going to fall?

It always does the last tier of an expansion, due to there being 2 (or 3) previous tiers of useless gear to DE.

There is a new mount that requires 30 Living Steel, two pets that require 15 Living Steel. Check all the "Dat Sky Golem" posts.

That may be true but at the same time there are old Items like Jewelcrafting Panthers will see less demand and I have yet to be convinced when considering the following:
In addition to today's LivingSteel-consumers, some speculators are artificially increasing demand. Come 5.4, said speculators will turn and artificially increase the LivingSteel supply.

And from where do you have this information? Lots of people claim this but no one I asked so far has shown something like a breakdown that evidently assures there will be more new Items which require Living steel on demand than old Items requiring Living steel no longer on demand.

Enchanting mats I believe but the sha crystal tip is way speculative and I would advise everybody not to touch these.
The other items like Ghost Iron or Golden Lotus which people speculate on can still be sold vor a noteworthy amount even if the predictoins fail you are facing a minor loss only. Sha Crystals on the other hand may completely plummet, we're talking 60 Gold here.

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