I will post with Audiogon some time next week.....I wanted to give folks here an opportunity first.

I have the III with the bass management pots and walnut base. Has JJ 6CA7 34's. Purchased August 16th 2011 and arrived November 18th 2011. I have had some time off over the last 35 days to burn it in sufficiently and compare to my Select. I love the Torii for its majesty, power and bass. However, I can't justify having it just sit if I find myself listening to my Select 80 or so percent of the time.

I would like $2400 firm + buyer pays paypal, shipping and insurance. No International.

I enjoyed my time with the Torii. However, as you mentioned, the Magic of the Select with these conventional Speakers at 68 to 82db SPL is just bliss. Not every conventional speaker can be used as you know. I know you had success with your floor standing Bose Speakers for quite some time. I have enjoyed that same synergy with my Polk LS 90's and now with the SDA 1's. Because of the success with the LS90's and now the SDA 1's, I never wanted to change that magic with more efficient speakers. Failure's with conventional speakers have been: Paradigm v4 Monitor 7, Parker Crusader, Polk Monitor 12 Series II, Polk RTiA1, Magnapan 1.1's & Polk S Series..... . None of these at my wheel house listening level, SPL mentioned, have had the magic. So, these two pair I have.....I can't explain....other than a simpler crossover. All of these Speakers do have 90db @ 1watt/1meter in common too (except the Magnepans). I brought/bought the Polk SDA 1's on a whim and could not believe they worked. I use them in 2 ch stereo only....no SDA function needed or wanted with using the Select.

Now my 2nd Muse/2nd System takes that turn to the grandiose. This system, I know can't do what the Select system can do in Magic. However, audio is compromises and even though I only listen to 1 out of four discs (Real Jazz & Contemporary Jazz)....I need that one out of four discs on this system:Denon DCM290 Transport>Stereovox XV2 Digital Cable>DacMagic>Kimber Silver Streak Interconnect >Rotel RA-1062>Kimber 8TC Speaker Cable>Polk SDA SRS 1.2/use SDA always>Kimber PK10 Palladian Power Cord to Rotel

Eventually, I will add a Wyred for Sound DAC 2, to drive the ST 500 directly. I do enjoy driving the Select directly with my AA Dac 3.0.

Anyway, these are my two muse's. The Polk SDA SRS 1.2's driven at 375 watts per channel in to 6ohm load of the 1.2's can do the grandiose (currently running the Rotel Integrated). However, this 2nd System can't do what the Decware Zen Select (SE84CS) Reference System can do with the lit from within SET Magic. I have also A-B-A'd other cables to beat my Kimber Select 1030 and Kimber Select 3033 with the Select and the Kimber's will never leave the system.

Merry Christmas Stone! It makes sense to divide and conquer as you do with two systems for two styles of listening. Good thinking, and you're happy and that's what counts. I agree that the simple crossover may be what makes a speaker work really well with the Select.

I'm sure your Torii will find a good home. . . that waiting time for a new one may get shorter but it's LONG!

Yes Lon, the waiting time for a 3 is still long. I should be able to make someone happy next week I hope. I should have it on the gon' by Tuesday or Wednesday.

I would keep it if it could drive my grossly current hogging Polk SDA SRS 1.2's. But make no mistake, any newbe stumbling in to this thread..... . It will drive anything else pretty much not crazy power hungry with more musicality than Solid State and with weight.

I am not selling this Amp! Hell, I am thinking about ordering Steve's new Horn Speaker to mate with it.

Why the change? Well, hit the 300 hr mark with this Amp and you will know. Sorry to the guy that wanted to buy it before I even posted to Audiogon............I can't part with it.....no hype and no BS.

Will I upgrade my SDA SRS Polk 1.2's and drive them with a high current power amplifier = yes. However, will it have to stand up to my Zen Select & Torii MK 3 for utter musicality......you bet it will have to pass the muster or just be listened to a whole lot less.....read: HT status.

You've got that right Lon and Pale Rider/I know you love this Amp with your awesome set up too. I don't know what I was thinking? It is like getting your best girl you ever had back in the 11th hour before it is to late because I'm an idiot or something. Listening bliss is happening as I type.

I had to turn down Daniel today whom was to buy it ASAP. He saw it here because I did not post it anywhere else yet. (I had not committed yet-we were still negotiating price).

Hahahaha....that's great news Stone! I am at about 100 hours of burn in so good to know that it will only keep getting better. I do have to say that I do love the speed and transparency so far, and the bass is fast and tight also. What tube compliment are you using now btw?

Yes, the speed and no grain, providing that musical rightness where you don't want to leave your chair or the room. I am using the tubes that came with for now: JJ 6CA7, 0A3's, 6N1P-EV, 5U4G & the Raytheon little regulator (I like to call it). You using the same ones right now?

Fidelity is everything. My other system is an SPL pissing match system that I need to partake in from time to time (well not way loud...I keep track/under control with my SPL meter). However, it does not match the fidelity of the Torii 3 and certainly not my SE84CS (Zen Select).

I love the Treble and Bass pots too.....without obsessing on them. Enjoy....Stone

Hi Stone, I am currently at about 200 hours and I am using a Quad of Black Treasures along with alternating two different rectifiers. One is a Japanese Mullard And the other is National 5u4g's. Both of these are huge upgrades over the stock rectifier (you should just toss the Chinese rectifier IMO). I do want to now break in the JJ's that came stock to compare to the Black Treasures. I do not think that you want to sell this amp until you change out the rectifiers, the 5u4g and the 6N1P and break them all in! Happy New Year and Happy Listening,Morgan

Happy New Year Morgan. I would have National's on the way right now but, Tube Depot is out of stock. Lon suggested a cryoed 6N1P too that I book marked. Thanks for the input and I can't believe I was going to sell this Amp. Any other Rectifier suggestions? I should do a search for what others are using as well. The Torii is my Porche and I'm driving it with bald tires. I need to put some Pirelli's on it to start w/Rectifiers. -Stone

Hi Stone, My favorite rectifiers so far are Japanese Mullard GZ-34's from Andy at Vintage Tube Services. Another less expensive option are RCA 5A4's from the 50's and 60's. I also have to order the National 7dj8's as the replacement for the 6N1P. I decided to start the break in on the JJ 6CA7's tonight. I'll let them burn in for a few days and then should be able to compare them to the Black Treasures. Where are you located? Cheers,Morgan