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Re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Rape and incest were pretty acceptable in Jesus' day. I don't mean acceptable in the sense that people just went "We're alright with it" but more like "Yeah, it happens. We get over it though." Surely, Jesus wasn't in favor of any of it, but the chances are he wouldn't have been all that angry about it either.

It was pretty much standard for old testament guys to marry a cousin or somebody of relation. It's a standard part of some Middle Eastern cultures to preserve kinship ties through marriage. So we find that Middle East Jews have pretty high incidence of first cousin marriages.

Now, as far as rape goes, there are more than once instance in which we see that the punishment for rape is just a little bit more serious than the punishment for stealing a goat. You pay a fine, you keep the woman. Women aren't exactly seen as anything but diplomatic property by social standards at that time.

So in a way, you're right - Jesus doesn't condone it. However, the evidence would suggests he didn't really give a **** about it either.

You should probably study up a little more.....

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re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

If you don't choose to believe in the Bible or in God that's your business

This thread is about the Pope and what The Bible specifically says about homosexual sex acts

If you (and Redress) want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.

It is very well my damn business. Why? Because you and a large number of Americans are using that goddamn book to interfere with my family. I don't take kindly to people who attack my family.

Especially when those people choose to ONLY emphasize the homophobic nature of God while ignoring 100% of every other racist, misogynistic, genocidal, homicidal, malevolent, bigoted, vindictive and egomaniacal thing this jerkoff has ever done and said in the Bible. I know you already choose to ignore half of it. Why choose to use your actions to only make LGBT people miserable?

re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

If you don't choose to believe in the Bible or in God that's your business

This thread is about the Pope and what The Bible specifically says about homosexual sex acts

If you (and Redress) want to debate the existence of God, feel free to create another thread.

Um, you might want to go look. I did not debate the existence of god, I merely pointed out your words where only your opinion, just as you had for others. You do not get to claim your opinions as fact while saying other people's are just opinion, nothing more.

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re: Pope Francis on gays: `Who am I to judge?'[W:65,239]

Originally Posted by Redress

Um, you might want to go look. I did not debate the existence of god, I merely pointed out your words where only your opinion, just as you had for others. You do not get to claim your opinions as fact while saying other people's are just opinion, nothing more.

Precisely.

There's only a few billion Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists, along with the atheists that will all claim to "KNOW" the "TRUTH".

Not to mention the various "christian" off-shoots whose beliefs probably differ from his as well.

Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, ..........

I'm guessing there's roughly 7 billion-ish people who believe they "know" the "truth".

What are the odds that Bronson, or davidtaylorjr, or anyone else here is "right"?