Breaking: Obama to announce gun-control proposals tomorrow

posted at 12:31 pm on January 15, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

President Obama will unveil a sweeping set of gun-control proposals at midday Wednesday, including an assault weapons ban, universal background checks and limits on the number of bullets magazines can hold, according to sources familiar with the plans.

The announcement, to be delivered at the White House, is also expected to include a slate of up to 19 executive actions that the Obama administration can take on its own to attempt to limit gun violence. The White House has invited key lawmakers as well as gun-control advocates to appear at Wednesday’s policy rollout, according to two officials who have been invited to the event.

The rollout event looks like a revealing bit of theater. I’m going to guess right now that there won’t be a broad bipartisan showing at it, since the above proposals don’t even have unanimous Democratic support, especially the assault-weapons ban. Instead, it seems that Obama wants to surround himself with as many supporters as possible and claim it shows a broad consensus for his plans, even while Harry Reid is downplaying the likelihood that its centerpiece can pass the Democratic-controlled Senate.

Why rush the rest and get ahead of Reid on the assault-weapons ban? Obama could easily have just announced all of the EOs and been depicted as a Commander in Chief, even though — as Allahpundit pointed out earlier today — the amount of authority he can exert through EOs is very limited. If Reid isn’t fully on board, then there’s simply no way that Obama will get 60 votes in the Senate to clear cloture on this package, and some of the nays may well come from red-state Democrats eyeing the 2014 contests nervously, like Mark Pryor in Arkansas.

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I think most lawful gun owners are just putting too much faith in the D.C. crowd to ultimately stand up for our 2nd Amendment rights. I really believe gun owners believe this will have a happy ending for all concerned.

Everyone should understand that the next “mass” shooting will prompt Obama to issue his “Executive Order” ultimatum. He will bypass Congress and simply order law enforcement agencies to start rounding up legal, registered guns and that will be the start. Where else can he begin, except to order the confiscation of registered guns? And I believe that will include all firearms, including those firearms used for hunting and target purposes. Next, he will allow a time limit for those lawful citizens that “cling to their guns” to turn them in voluntarily. Let’s say 90 days, and then “clingers” who still refuse to give up their firearms will face very stiff fines and jail time for failing to comply.

What happens next after the majority of lawful gun owners comply? Hard to say, except the criminals will still have their illegal and stolen firearms in their possession. Not sure how he’ll deal with that. But one has to understand who Obama is. Ted Nugent called Obama psychotic and I truly believe that. He will go forward with his “Executive Order”, leaning back with his head cocked towards the sky, honestly believing that his ordained destiny is to disarm the American citizenry.

What’s frightening is that no group of people can stop him. Oh, there may be pockets of resistance here and there, but this is not the 2nd Revolutionary War were talking about. This is reality and we are doomed as a country. I submit that within 6 months after his “Executive Order”, millions upon millions of lawful citizens will not have their firearms anymore. And many firearm manufacturers will be out of business, as well as the retail gun shops. Do you all believe that bloggers and their followers are going to mobilize and stop the madness of Obama? And speaking of mobilizing, that is the only possible way to combat the agenda of Obama, but no one is really willing to put forth the effort. It just isn’t going to happen, and those that dream of armed resistance in the name of freedom and liberty are in for a rude awakening.

Megyn Kelly just announced they just got word that O is going to be flanked by children and parents who wrote to him after Sandy Hook!!!!

This president has no shame.

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Just heard the same on Rush. Not only does he have no shame, he has no soul nor conscience.

I can chart the path forward for no other man, but I will contest to their last breaths the desires of petty tyrants and their co-conspirators if they cross this red line that determines that the soap box, ballot box, and jury box have failed, and that the cartridge box is our last resort.

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” – Adolph Hitler, 1935

RedRobin145 on January 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

You should know that quote is of dubious provenance. The Nazis did not impose new gun regulations until 1938. They did not need to given the fact that civilian possession of all firearms and ammunition, including those then currently owned, was banned in 1919 by the Weimar Republic when it enacted the Regulations on Weapons Ownership. Germany was required to disarm its populace, in large part, by the Versailles Treaty. The following year, the Weimar government passed the Law on the Disarmament of the People, which put in place the Versailles Treaty’s limitations on military-type weapons in both the hands of the government and the people.

In 1928, the Weimar government passed the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, which loosened gun laws, but imposed very strict and mandatory licencing. It repealed the 1919 law, Regulations on Weapons Ownership.

The German Weapons Act of 1938 replaced the 1928 law. As with the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of 1928, all but exempted citizens were required to register their weapons and be permitted before acquiring a gun and then permitted again before said firearm could be carried. The law restricted gun ownership to those “…persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit.”

Under The German Weapons Act of 1938:

* Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Rifles and shotguns were completely deregulated under this law, as was the ammunition used with either.

* The groups of people exempted from registration and permitting requirements were expanded to include members of the Nazi Party, holders of annual hunting permits, and government workers.

* The legal age of gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18.

* Gun carry permits were valid for 3 instead of 1 year.

* Jews were not allowed to manufacture or trade in firearms or ammunition.

* Like the 1928 law, gun sellers at both the wholesale and retail levels were required to maintain records with the names of buyers, types of weapons, and the serial numbers. All of this data was required to be turned over to the national government every year.

In 1939, the Nazis also decreed via the Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons that no Jew could possess firearms, ammunition, and other specified weapons.

Nevertheless, the point remains: Hitler disarmed the people he wanted to exterminate or control most: The Jews.

What’s frightening is that no group of people can stop him. Oh, there may be pockets of resistance here and there, but this is not the 2nd Revolutionary War were talking about. This is reality and we are doomed as a country. I submit that within 6 months after his “Executive Order”, millions upon millions of lawful citizens will not have their firearms anymore. And many firearm manufacturers will be out of business, as well as the retail gun shops. Do you all believe that bloggers and their followers are going to mobilize and stop the madness of Obama? And speaking of mobilizing, that is the only possible way to combat the agenda of Obama, but no one is really willing to put forth the effort. It just isn’t going to happen, and those that dream of armed resistance in the name of freedom and liberty are in for a rude awakening.

I think most lawful gun owners are just putting too much faith in the D.C. crowd to ultimately stand up for our 2nd Amendment rights.

metroryder on January 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Why should they? Did Shelley Parker or Otis McDonald? No, they went to court and their cases (the Parker case became Heller) became seminal Second Amendment decisions.

Anyone, who puts her rights and their defence in the hands of an elected few and then does nothing, deserves whatever she gets.

What conservatives and libertarians had better learn PDQ is that the Left NEVER SLEEPS. It is ALWAYS pushing….ALWAYS agitating…ALWAYS organising…ALWAYS demanding…ALWAYS campaigning for new laws and regulations. The Right can NO LONGER rest and hand the defence of their liberties to those that they elect.

No, no, no! If you want to protect your rights, you’d better do it yourself and remember that it is not a job analogous to the 11 AM Sunday-morning churchgoer where one can show one’s face for an hour on Sunday and then spend the remaining 167 hours per week living a lifestyle completely opposite to that which is demanded by her faith.

Excellent post. Have you read where some have postulated that the Democrats simple translated the law from that Socialist Worker’s Paradise to use as a framework for one of their gun grabbing legislation?

Galt2009 on January 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Thanks. It wouldn’t surprise me. The US exported eugenics to Germany. Why would it surprise anyone that the US would import gun control policies from Germany? After all, much of the Left’s “Absolute Shall” dogma, Hegelian and Nietzsche philosophical bases, and Bismarckian socialism. Herbert Croly, Richard Ely, etc, were big cheerleaders of German social policy, for example.

How long would it take to make a 30 round magazine in your basement? It is a cartridge with a spring in the bottom. Cut it in the middle and solder in an extension using the middle of two other magazines.

Ted Torgerson on January 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Respectfully, it’s not the making of that’s a concern, it’s the going to federal prison for the possessing of that’s the larger issue…

Thanks. It wouldn’t surprise me. The US exported eugenics to Germany. Why would it surprise anyone that the US would import gun control policies from Germany? After all, much of the Left’s “Absolute Shall” dogma, Hegelian and Nietzsche philosophical bases, and Bismarckian socialism. Herbert Croly, Richard Ely, etc, were big cheerleaders of German social policy, for example.

Respectfully, it’s not the making of that’s a concern, it’s the going to federal prison for the possessing of that’s the larger issue…

CaptFlood on January 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

But if all gun owners peacefully resists, there will not be enough prisons to hold us all. We are a law abiding conservative family, but as for me and my house, we will NOT submit or give up our second amendment rights! I can only hope and pray that millions of others will join me!

I think most lawful gun owners are just putting too much faith in the D.C. crowd to ultimately stand up for our 2nd Amendment rights.

Absolutely and they do so because they believe in the rule of law. The problem is that criminals never follow the rule of law. (I’m not referring to street thugs here) They also put too much trust in the police and military to do the right thing. What they don’t want to see, is that the right thing will be following orders from the legally elected government.

I really believe gun owners believe this will have a happy ending for all concerned.

No, it will not. Well it will for the armed criminals.

Everyone should understand that the next “mass” shooting will prompt Obama to issue his “Executive Order” ultimatum. He will bypass Congress and simply order law enforcement agencies to start rounding up legal, registered guns and that will be the start. Where else can he begin, except to order the confiscation of registered guns? And I believe that will include all firearms, including those firearms used for hunting and target purposes. Next, he will allow a time limit for those lawful citizens that “cling to their guns” to turn them in voluntarily. Let’s say 90 days, and then “clingers” who still refuse to give up their firearms will face very stiff fines and jail time for failing to comply.

But what if there isn’t a next shooting for years? BO and the gun grabbers need another shooting but if they don’t get one, well, I guess they are out of luck. Unless? Well, I just will not go there.

What happens next after the majority of lawful gun owners comply? Hard to say, except the criminals will still have their illegal and stolen firearms in their possession. Not sure how he’ll deal with that.

A armed TSA turd on every street stopping you for your papers. TSA checkpoints on many roads for stop and search. TSA at every mall for grope of people entering and leaving the malls. All of this will be for you own protection from the criminals with guns of course.

What’s frightening is that no group of people can stop him.

Nope. Some people tried. People like the so called birthers that were demonized and mis-represented by everyone just because they questioned BO eligibility. People like the Tea Party and Palin who were demonized and mis-represented by everyone just because they dare question BO’s actions. All lunatics according to proper “conservatives”.

Do you all believe that bloggers and their followers are going to mobilize and stop the madness of Obama? And speaking of mobilizing, that is the only possible way to combat the agenda of Obama, but no one is really willing to put forth the effort. It just isn’t going to happen, and those that dream of armed resistance in the name of freedom and liberty are in for a rude awakening.

The White House has invited key lawmakers as well as gun-control advocates to appear at Wednesday’s policy rollout, according to two officials who have been invited to the event.

Can we please call the kind of advocate that would get an invite for what they are? Anti-Constitutionalists. Which is long hand for rat bastard traitor.

Truth be told, the NRA is also a gun-control advocate but not in the way the Brady Group or rat-eared wonder likes. They are rushing this through because they can only hide behind those 20 tiny caskets for so long.

“I would say that every time President Obama opens his mouth and Sen. [Dianne] Feinstein opens her mouth and they talk about gun bans and restricting the rights of law abiding Americans, people pay attention to that and sign up,” says Andrew Arulanandam, the NRA’s public affairs director.

But if all gun owners peacefully resists, there will not be enough prisons to hold us all. We are a law abiding conservative family, but as for me and my house, we will NOT submit or give up our second amendment rights! I can only hope and pray that millions of others will join me!

Next, he will allow a time limit for those lawful citizens that “cling to their guns” to turn them in voluntarily. Let’s say 90 days, and then…

metroryder on January 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I don’t have the friends or platform for the level of community organizing it would require, but someone should get the word out that as soon as the effective date hits any gun owners who can should carry any magazine, bullet, etc. down to their local police station or sheriff’s department to turn themselves in and/or seek guidance on the law.

Don’t be bullhorned away once they catch on. Each individual needs clarification on their particular situation, and each needs it in writing.

Then go home, get something else, and bring it for the same clarification.

It’s the only way to fight this. If just 10% of the new criminal class could do this it would be overwhelming. I figure here in Charlotte it would be ~50K people, and that’s not including the county.

The GOPe silence is deafening. It amazes me that NO ONE is calling for a mass calling to their reps…roll over and play dead squishes?

Mr. Arrogant on January 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

I know. Mark Levin has been beating this meme like a gong.

-Where is the GOP leadership on this?
-Where are the legions of citizens marching through Capital Hill who were able to defend themselves thanks to their right to bear arms?
-Where are the billboards showing what horror such stringent gun control has wrought in Chicago?
-Where are the TV spots showing the security and protection that Obama, Bloomberg, Menino and others demand for themselves and theirs whilst denying it to you and yours?

‘Peaceful resistance’ was 24yrs ago when CA enacted the 1989 Roberti-Roos AWB and they only got about 10% of the “assault rifles” registrations they expected to garner.

‘Peaceful resistance’ was 24yrs of legal challenges, hardware development, and legal Q&A that resulted in the ‘Off List Lower’ movement, the ‘Bullet Button’ device and things like the Monster Man Grip, whereby more AR- and AK- pattern rifles where legally imported sold and built in CA, than were ever barred by the feeble ban attempts of 1989 and 1991.

THroughout it all and the clear expression of the public’s will in massive purchases of arms and all their accoutrements in the winters of 2008 and 2012, the Left just keeps pushing and pushing. The tyranny in NY last night and today is egregious. What the Obamunists will stage tomorrow will be monstrous.

Yahoo front page says New York is going to cap magazines to 7 rounds?! Article says current owners of 10 round magazines will have a year to sell them out of state…. THIS IS NUTS!

El_Terrible on January 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I can already hear the sound of For Sale signs going in the ground in New York as the few remaining intelligent citizens flee that blue-state, socialist, tyrannical hell hole.

Note to NY staters who come down here: When asked where you’re from, just say “I’m from New York but I got to Texas just as fast as I could.” You’ll make a lot of friends that way. And all of them will have arsenals of defense rifles.

Megyn Kelly just announced they just got word that O is going to be flanked by children and parents who wrote to him after Sandy Hook!!!!

This president has no shame.

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM

This slimy jackhole excuse for a president and excuse for a human being needs to be run out of this country on a rail. Having “no shame” has been aptly proven in the past, but this show tomorrow with the backdrop of children is a brand new low for this slimebucket. WE NEED TO BE RID OF HIM!

But if all gun owners peacefully resists, there will not be enough prisons to hold us all. We are a law abiding conservative family, but as for me and my house, we will NOT submit or give up our second amendment rights! I can only hope and pray that millions of others will join me!

texgal on January 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM

I’m with you, texgal. But until it actually happens, we’re not going to know who stands and who kneels, and that’s something the libs understand all too well. If they thought they could simply issue an EO banning all guns, they’d do it. But they don’t, so instead it’s ‘death by a thousand cuts.’ They’ll push for what they can get now, then in a year or two, they’ll push for more.

The only way to cause a reset in their thinking is via a massive and overwhelming response from the citizenry and the GOP leadership. Unfortunately, all they’re hearing now is crickets.

A question for you as you seem to know quite a bit about this subject.

can_con on January 15, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Sorry, I missed this.

Has the constitutionality of “background checks” ever been litigated?

I am looking into it. I know that background checks played a part in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), but that case turned on whether the Federal government could force state and local authorities to conduct background checks pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. Certain portions of the Act pertaining to “commandeering,” ie, the Feds telling state and local officials/personnel that they MUST act on behalf of the Federal government was struck down as unconstitutional.

Since the case turned on unlawful commandeering and the petitioners were LEOs, I don’t believe that the Court ever delved into the issue of the constitutionality of background checks.

If a right is not bestowed upon by the government as per the constitution, shouldn’t everyone have equal access to that right, including the mentally challenged?

Yes, but absolute rights long ago went the way of the dinosaur. In United States v Lopez, even Scalia said that the right to bear arms was not unlimited or absolute and the government could regulate ownership provided the law survived strict scrutiny.

I know the mentally challenged are allowed to vote (See B.H.O elected twice) but curious as to how it applies elsewhere.

Generally, such limitations, provided that they are narrowly-tailored and are the least intrusive will survive strict scrutiny because the government does have a compelling interest in keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally impaired. I agree that this is a very slippery slope, which is why I generally think that gun control laws should be on a state basis and always contain a right of appeal.

You should also note that felons are barred from voting in almost every state and that has been upheld. See: Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974). Of course, there is no constitutional right to vote, per se, (see: San Antonio Independent School Dist. v. Rodriguez, 411 U.S. 1, 35 (1973)).

You helped to bring/keep Obama. May he destroy you and yours, in full.

Schadenfreude on January 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Wow – you wish me and “mine” death – you are truly a deeply disturbed individual. Don’t think I’ve ever wished death on you.

But how bout this … I’m 6’2″ and weigh 235 pounds – and Allah has MY PERMISSION to release my email address to you. Once you have it – send me an email and I’ll arrange a personal meeting with you so that you can “ensure” I get my due.

You are wondering why there is silence on this issue. It is because many people are waiting for the EO that makes them outlaws. Both sides know exactly what is at stake here. You guys remind me of the Liberals who were sayng just before the first Gulf war that maybe Saddam didn’t “get it” until Tariq Aziz came out and said, “Of course we get it.”

Americans know that if Obama comes out with an EO banning guns in any way that we will have another Civil War on our hands and are planning accordingly. All the letters have been written, all the phone calls have been made, all the pleas have been spoken, written and discussed and all the data analyzed for decades. It has done no good. Tomorrow, we enter a new American phase where the USA begins to make war on its own citizens.

I don’t drink coffee with people who voted for Obama. I despise you too much. May he destroy your lives as you knew them. YOU deserve him in full. He will see to it that you and your land will never be the same ever again.

I wish you and all who brung/kept Obama that he make your lives as miserable and unfree as possible. YOU wanted him, you got him.

Actions have consequences. Period.

Schadenfreude on January 15, 2013 at 2:40 PM

It’s for the sake of these consequences that I voted for Obama. Your GOP wasn’t moving this nation back to the right. Now – with “Dictator Obama” – we’ll see how the people react and see if they are willing to FIGHT for liberty.

It’s gonna be a tough road – but a necessary one. It’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

I don’t drink coffee with people who voted for Obama. I despise you too much. May he destroy your lives as you knew them. YOU deserve him in full. He will see to it that you and your land will never be the same ever again.

But how bout this … I’m 6’2″ and weigh 235 pounds – and Allah has MY PERMISSION to release my email address to you. Once you have it – send me an email and I’ll arrange a personal meeting with you so that you can “ensure” I get my due.

Game Coward?

HondaV65 on January 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Pshaw! I’m 6’3″ and weigh 240 pounds. And, I hold a burnt umber belt in Tai Chi. How you like them apples?!?!

Plante on Megyn’s show said O had asked Holder for a list of gun control recommendations in ’11. Biden was a prop. It was in a drawer just waiting for the crisis.

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Rush said as much today. Just as Obamacare was written piecemeal over the years, so were these gun control recommendations.

We conservatives have got to start thinking as the Left does, seeing the long game, the five-year plan. We can’t just fight and win a short-term battle, perhaps, and think that’s the end of it. We need to plan and fight long term. They will never quit, so we can’t either.

At least a few Egyptians put up a fight when Morsi assumed usurpatious powers.

You won’t hear a peep out of the GOP establishment.

HondaV65 on January 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM

All will suffer their fate. Morsi won. Obama did too.

Schadenfreude on January 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Pretty much.

What’s REALLY dangerous is that there are so many willing slaves beholden to the Democrat Party that they end up being used as accomplices in the further persecution of any dissenters to the Sociailst dream proffered by Obama and his ilk. Just like Hilter used those under his spell to round up, quarantine, and then exterminate 6 million people because they were not like him. The same exact thing is taking root as we speak.

It’s worse than just that. We need to see all Socialist as threats to our very existence. They want us dead or worse… not just marginalized politically. They hate us in every way, shape and form… they literally want us to be exterminated so they can pursue the destruction of civilized society in their ruthless quest for power. The Democrat Party has, by virtue of embracing a platform anathema to humanity and morality, wants to destroy us in every way possible.

They CANNOT be trusted – defeat will have to be more than just winning an election… they need to be wiped off the scene permanently if we are to survive.

Yahoo front page says New York is going to cap magazines to 7 rounds?! Article says current owners of 10 round magazines will have a year to sell them out of state…. THIS IS NUTS!

El_Terrible on January 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM

It begins…You see, they are giving lawful gun owners a time frame to comply with their new laws. Non-compliance will mean lawful people have now committed a misdemeanor, whatever that may mean in New York. Rest assured, that misdemeanor charge may prevent you from legally owning guns in the future, when the 5-yr. license to own firearms expires in the state of New York. Or maybe that misdemeanor charge may be enough to confiscate your firearms. Who knows, but like one commenter said, the left will never sleep until this issue is put to rest…meaning the end of the 2nd Amendment.

They mentioned another part of the new gun laws for New York…the so-called “Webster provision.” The nutcase that killed the two firefighters was released from prison by the very same leftwing nuts that are against lawful and responsible ownership of firearms. This nutcase slaughtered his grandmother with a claw hammer for cryin’ out loud. He should have been done away with years ago with a bullet between his eyes.

With all the attention this issue is getting, there will soon be another nutcase that will go bonkers and kill several people with a firearm. These crazies love the notoriety. When that happens and Obama is still in office…the country-wide confiscation begins.

I don’t disagree with you; however, I think that this may be the road too far for many of us! What conservative libertarian minded Americans understand is that once the “big spending Socialist” collapses our economy (which he will, soon) there will be chaos and without guns we have nothing! I refuse to believe that this country is lost forever. There are still enough of us left who will fight for liberty or die trying! I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FREEDOM!

I don’t disagree with you; however, I think that this may be the road too far for many of us! What conservative libertarian minded Americans understand is that once the “big spending Socialist” collapses our economy (which he will, soon) there will be chaos and without guns we have nothing! I refuse to believe that this country is lost forever. There are still enough of us left who will fight for liberty or die trying! I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY FREEDOM!

texgal on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM

All is lost. At least we will all get killed defending ourselves, but there is no reason to even think that we will prevail or win. Would be better that we DO die than to see this country complete its conversion into a land that actively pursues the destruction of humanity.