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Trade Ross are you crazy he's been playing good when given time and he's a rookie...

Listen bro --> PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!! DO IT!!!

Originally Posted by knicksfan42

...For me a large part of it is that they were rivals. LeBron vs Wade was a great rivalry and for them to team up just doesn't sit right with me. It would've been cool if LeBron had gone to the Bulls.....
and Bosh to the Heat to join Wade. That would've been awesome... I would've respected LeBron way more if he went there.

Why have great rivals when you can join them and have none.... Lebron James where losing the spirit of competition happens!

I don't like Davis or any young assets to be included in this deal... I like what Davis has been doing with starter minutes. We need a SF but not at the cost of our young up and comers.

Originally Posted by knicksfan42

...For me a large part of it is that they were rivals. LeBron vs Wade was a great rivalry and for them to team up just doesn't sit right with me. It would've been cool if LeBron had gone to the Bulls.....
and Bosh to the Heat to join Wade. That would've been awesome... I would've respected LeBron way more if he went there.

Why have great rivals when you can join them and have none.... Lebron James where losing the spirit of competition happens!

He's the #1 option on one of the best teams in the league, who play in the West. I could easily see him exploding a la James Harden if he played for Toronto.

Not a great first-30 games this season, but career above 45% FG. He's not always efficient, but he's an effective scorer and makes us significantly better.

That said, I probably wouldn't give up Ed Davis at this point... but I'd probably give up anyone on the team other than Val, Ed and maybe DeMar for him.

I don't understand why everyone keeps comparing this situation to Harden's. Harden is a ridiculously efficient player that was held back by playing time. Gay has averaged almost 40 minutes a game for the last 4-5 seasons and he has struggled to maintain an above average PER.

In addition, Memphis isn't winning because of their offensive prowess, they're winning because they're an elite defensive and rebounding team. Neither of which Gay contributes to. So in reality, saying Gay is the no.1 option on a top team doesn't really mean anything.

Trade Ross are you crazy he's been playing good when given time and he's a rookie...

Listen bro --> PUT THE PIPE DOWN!!! DO IT!!!

Step back and critically think about what Ross is. Do you believe he will be better in his career than Rudy Gay? I don't see Ross as anything more than a spot up shooter, and average defender. Teams have already started shutting him down by forcing him to take contested jumpers. He does not currently possess the dribble moves to get into the paint, nor the strength to handle the contact when he does get into the paint.

Hitting a few three pointers should not automatically make you an untouchable. Have to give up assets to get assets.

Step back and critically think about what Ross is. Do you believe he will be better in his career than Rudy Gay? I don't see Ross as anything more than a spot up shooter, and average defender. Teams have already started shutting him down by forcing him to take contested jumpers. He does not currently possess the dribble moves to get into the paint, nor the strength to handle the contact when he does get into the paint.

Hitting a few three pointers should not automatically make you an untouchable. Have to give up assets to get assets.

Yes.

You have to look at his base of skills to build off of. Elite NBA athleticism & great shooting mechanics with a decent handle + good Bball IQ. Just because he's not Shammgod with the handle doesn't mean that he won't be able to attack the basket in the future.

No, Davis is performing too well with the minutes the Raptors are giving him right now, so I'm pretty sure most of us would like to see where he is headed. If anything do a Bargs + Calderon for Gay + filler (idk if they have any) to even out contracts and I'm in.

Step back and critically think about what Ross is. Do you believe he will be better in his career than Rudy Gay? I don't see Ross as anything more than a spot up shooter, and average defender. Teams have already started shutting him down by forcing him to take contested jumpers. He does not currently possess the dribble moves to get into the paint, nor the strength to handle the contact when he does get into the paint.

Hitting a few three pointers should not automatically make you an untouchable. Have to give up assets to get assets.

he's already shown he's better than a spot up shooter and an average defender. He's shown us catch- and- shoot, shimmy-break-down crossover move from right to left where he can get off his own shot, and he's shown the can get to the basket at times. He's a rookie who is getting acclimated to the NBA style of play and contact.

Actually, he has shown more in his rookie year than Derozan or Gay, which is promising as the Raps has a lot to work with and Ross can grow into that player. I think in Ross' prime, he's a 20+ ppg scorer.

A package of Calderon, Kleiza, and ONE of Davis or Ross will get the deal done, but why should we help the Grizzlies avoid the lux tax when we're taking on the most long-term salary in the deal? If we can't get a JJ-Brooklyn type of deal done, then I'm stepping away from including any young assets. Not to mention the redundancy in the starting rotation..

Lowry
DeMar
Gay
Bargs
Val

You have a scoring PG, a scoring SG, a scoring SF who likes to iso/chuck and an almost exclusively scoring PF who also like to chuck. It just seems like a bad match the more I think about it; then you consider the $19 mil in two years...

A package of Calderon, Kleiza, and ONE of Davis or Ross will get the deal done, but why should we help the Grizzlies avoid the lux tax when we're taking on the most long-term salary in the deal? If we can't get a JJ-Brooklyn type of deal done, then I'm stepping away from including any young assets. Not to mention the redundancy in the starting rotation..

Lowry
DeMar
Gay
Bargs
Val

You have a scoring PG, a scoring SG, a scoring SF who likes to iso/chuck and an almost exclusively scoring PF who also like to chuck. It just seems like a bad match the more I think about it; then you consider the $19 mil in two years...

Pretty much.
Is a bad fit.
Gay is one of the most overhyped players in the league.
He isnt efficient at all.

A package of Calderon, Kleiza, and ONE of Davis or Ross will get the deal done, but why should we help the Grizzlies avoid the lux tax when we're taking on the most long-term salary in the deal? If we can't get a JJ-Brooklyn type of deal done, then I'm stepping away from including any young assets. Not to mention the redundancy in the starting rotation..

Lowry
DeMar
Gay
Bargs
Val

You have a scoring PG, a scoring SG, a scoring SF who likes to iso/chuck and an almost exclusively scoring PF who also like to chuck. It just seems like a bad match the more I think about it; then you consider the $19 mil in two years...

100% agree. worst deal ever.

Originally Posted by nycericanguy

well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

Step back and critically think about what Ross is. Do you believe he will be better in his career than Rudy Gay? I don't see Ross as anything more than a spot up shooter, and average defender. Teams have already started shutting him down by forcing him to take contested jumpers. He does not currently possess the dribble moves to get into the paint, nor the strength to handle the contact when he does get into the paint.

Hitting a few three pointers should not automatically make you an untouchable. Have to give up assets to get assets.

He is being coached to be a spot up shooter.

Remember when Derozan was a rookie? thats all he did, and he wasn't even good at it.

Ross has an elite first step and is much more explosive than Derozan. In time you will see him drive more, but right now, thats not what Casey is asking for.