---------- We previously reported about Tupac's upcoming LP entitled Loyal To The Game. We spoke to Amaru Entertainment, who confirmed what we reported and also gave us additional information on the LP.

The LP contains between 11 and 12 previously unreleased songs produced by Eminem as well as three or four remixes by Raphael Saadiq, Red Spyda and Scott Storch.

The songs produced by Eminem features guest appearances from 50 Cent, Jadakiss, Lloyd Banks, Nate Dogg, Obie Trice, Outlawz and Young Buck. Obie Trice makes an appearance on "Hennessy" while Sleepy Brown is featured on Red Spyda's remix of the song. The Eminem-produced "Ghetto Gospel" is also said to feature a very special guest appearance (Eminem perhaps?).

Afeni Shakur serves as executive producer and Eminem as co-executive producer of the LP, which is scheduled to be released in the United Kingdom on December 6th and in the United States on December 7th 2004. Stay tuned for the release dates for the rest of the world. ----------

The Petition: Even if you are not a fan of Tupac's music, as a fan of art and music in general I stress the importance of becoming aware of this issue and signing the petition. This petition is against reworkings and additions to the artist's original vision of his work, the fact that people who did not even know the artist are altering his work is blasphemous and disprespectful to any artist who has ever had pride in his or her work. Can you imagine changing historical works from Leonardo Da Vinci in order to create a more "modernly appealing" version? Unacceptable.

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The Petition: Even if you are not a fan of Tupac's music, as a fan of art and music in general I stress the importance of becoming aware of this issue and signing the petition. This petition is against reworkings and additions to the artist's original vision of his work, the fact that people who did not even know the artist are altering his work is blasphemous and disprespectful to any artist who has ever had pride in his or her work. Can you imagine changing historical works from Leonardo Da Vinci in order to create a more "modernly appealing" version? Unacceptable.

Again, please sign the petition and make your voice known.

WHOA now. This petition is a farce. Music (well, if you can even call what Tupac did music) is reimagined all the time. For example, every time a new classical CD comes out by a different orchestra under the baton of a different conductor, the music is different from its original presentation. Does this make the album bad? NO. The music is re-recorded because it is respected. The individuals re-recording Tupac's whatever probably respect what he's done, which is WHY THEY ARE DOING IT. That Da Vinci analogy is wholly inaccurate in this case.

I appologize if you found that an attack on you, Wolverine. I don't find attacking Tupac the same as attacking you. I was simply "making my voice known".

I didn't like or respect him or his music when he was alive, why should I now that he is dead? I do think it's a farce that they keep releasing what was undoubtedly crappy B-sides (at the very best) as new full albums by an artist that has been dead for 5 years.

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Mods, I expect action to be taken, that post was very insulting.

First a question. Were you insulted because Engine used the f-word or were you insulted because he used the f-word about Tupac? Because the thing is, what he said was insulting, but to Tupac and not to you. If Engine had said f___ Wolverine that not only would have crossed the line but would possibly have led to his banning.

As far as the language goes, I'd say we try to maintain a PG-13 atmosphere here. We as mods expect this forum community to act as adults. That means sometimes we will use language we might not necessarily use at a PTA meeting. I know I have and so have others. It's unavoidable. On the other hand, we don't want to degenrate into a Junior High cussing match. I would encourage you/me/us to be careful about our language. Engine I understand "making your voice known" but there are many ways to disagree without using profanity.

I think we as mods are willing to extend a *little* rope to the community on this issue - please let's not use it to hang ourselves with.

I'm just questioning the sort of environment you guys are expecting here, I suppose I was just assuming we were all working towards a mature message board that frowns on moronic threads and posts that add absolutely no insight to the subject.

Tell me then so I can get this straight: I can go into every thread if I feel like it, and just say "fuck [the topic]" randomly at will? If thats the case fine, I'll lower my expectations when making a thread, understanding that there is infact no level of maturity or quality required, and I'll act the same if I feel like being an asshole. I don't very much like GTA: San Andreas, I'm gonna go into all the threads posted on it and reply "fuck GTA: San Andreas"... (not really going to do it but I suppose I could without breaking the rules?) That would really attract intelligent discussions or even members from development teams, wouldn't it?

:Sigh: I guess I just had my own lofty expectations coming from GoneGold.

Tell me then so I can get this straight: I can go into every thread if I feel like it, and just say "fuck [the topic]" randomly at will? If thats the case fine, I'll lower my expectations when making a thread, understanding that there is infact no level of maturity or quality required, and I'll act the same if I feel like being an asshole. I don't very much like GTA: San Andreas, I'm gonna go into all the threads posted on it and reply "fuck GTA: San Andreas"... (not really going to do it but I suppose I could without breaking the rules?) That would really attract intelligent discussions or even members from development teams, wouldn't it?

Do you equate doing it once, out of apparently genuine feelings on the subject at hand, with doing it in every thread for the sake of being a nuisance and trying to prove a policy wrong?

EngineNo9's post obviously offended you, and yes, it was cold, but it was not directed at you, but at a person in the public domain. He doesn't make a habit of disrupting threads, so no one called him on it. I feel moderation requires more than just cross-referencing words with a list of rules. I feel it also requires common sense.

In a public forum, everything said isn't going to be sanitized for us, and our feelings about a given subject. I've found that almost anything I post on, someone out there doesn't like it, or even hates it.

I'm just questioning the sort of environment you guys are expecting here, I suppose I was just assuming we were all working towards a mature message board that frowns on moronic threads and posts that add absolutely no insight to the subject.

Tell me then so I can get this straight: I can go into every thread if I feel like it, and just say "fuck [the topic]" randomly at will? If thats the case fine, I'll lower my expectations when making a thread, understanding that there is infact no level of maturity or quality required, and I'll act the same if I feel like being an asshole. I don't very much like GTA: San Andreas, I'm gonna go into all the threads posted on it and reply "fuck GTA: San Andreas"... (not really going to do it but I suppose I could without breaking the rules?) That would really attract intelligent discussions or even members from development teams, wouldn't it?

:Sigh: I guess I just had my own lofty expectations coming from GoneGold.

"And here it should be noted that hatred is acquired as much by good works as by bad ones, therefore, as I said before, a prince wishing to keep his state is very often forced to do evil; for when that body is corrupt whom you think you have need of to maintain yourself- it may be either the people or the soldiers or the nobles- you have to submit to its humours and to gratify them, and then good works will do you harm, bitch " (pulls out 9mm dagger and caps yo ass)

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Do you equate doing it once, out of apparently genuine feelings on the subject at hand, with doing it in every thread for the sake of being a nuisance and trying to prove a policy wrong?

Of course not but that isn't the point, which it seems like your avoiding now. Offending or at the very least disrespecting someone once or multiple times makes no difference. I'm not saying I want Engine to be suspended, I don't even care if you guys directly warn him or not, but it should be known that a level of respect towards other members as well as maturity is expected. If a post like Engine's has insulted me, which I've made clear, don't you think you should probably make a point about it?

Like I said, unless you guys are saying its O.K, not to me but all the visitors however many thousands of them there are, that we can go ahead and say things like that which, while it may not be a direct attack, indirectly offends someone, then you should throw out a warning. Otherwise, don't be surprised if someone makes a thread about his or her father's heart condition and you get a random reply "fuck your father", cause if your not against it then you are condoning it.

If you feel I'm overreacting, fine, I'll accept that. In return, please clearly state the rules specifically related to what lines Engine's reply may have crossed or not crossed so we know our own boundaries.

Like I said, unless you guys are saying its O.K, not to me but all the visitors however many thousands of them there are, that we can go ahead and say things like that which, while it may not be a direct attack, indirectly offends someone, then you should throw out a warning. Otherwise, don't be surprised if someone makes a thread about his or her father's heart condition and you get a random reply "fuck your father", cause if your not against it then you are condoning it

Based on your example, there's a huge difference between the two, one is a personal attack, while the other isn't.

There's no ban on cussing on the forums, we do not encourage it, and we ask that people would restrain from using it, but it's not something that mods are going to search every thread for and make sure nobody is using it.

I don't think Engine09 purposely said that to offend you or anyone else, however maybe he should have used a different word to describe a similar feeling.

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If a post like Engine's has insulted me, which I've made clear, don't you think you should probably make a point about it?

Warning and I both made a point to try to watch the language because it could offend somebody.

If a post like Engine's has insulted me, which I've made clear, don't you think you should probably make a point about it?

Earier I said:

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First a question. Were you insulted because Engine used the f-word or were you insulted because he used the f-word about Tupac? Because the thing is, what he said was insulting, but to Tupac and not to you. If Engine had said f___ Wolverine that not only would have crossed the line but would possibly have led to his banning.

You said:

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Like I said, unless you guys are saying its O.K, not to me but all the visitors however many thousands of them there are, that we can go ahead and say things like that which, while it may not be a direct attack, indirectly offends someone, then you should throw out a warning.

Earlier I said:

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... we don't want to degenrate into a Junior High cussing match. I would encourage you/me/us to be careful about our language. Engine I understand "making your voice known" but there are many ways to disagree without using profanity.

Really I think your concerns have already been addressed. I'm not sure what you are looking for. Someone has a different opinion than you and he used harsh language. If you'd like Engine to sit in the corner with a dunce cap on don't hold your breath. Engine, you and everybody else should hopefully know that it's not acceptable to liberally sprinkle "f- this" and "f- that" all over the place here. But on the other hand (which I also posted earlier... *sigh*):

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As far as the language goes, I'd say we try to maintain a PG-13 atmosphere here. We as mods expect this forum community to act as adults. That means sometimes we will use language we might not necessarily use at a PTA meeting. I know I have and so have others. It's unavoidable.

Find something else to get your blood pressure worked up about. Like the fact that my beloved Cards got killed tonight. :twisted:

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