I think I deserve the credit just for trying to scroll down to the end of the comments!

It's pretty much the only game I've played properly in the last few years and any opportunity to piece together more snippets of the world's lore was worth it alone. Artorias of the Abyss for Dark Souls. I'd have loved it, even if it was just a 30 minute video of 'Yatta.' Reply0

This just highlights to me how few games I've actually had the time to play this year. I actually looked for Dark Souls in the list then realised how long ago that was released! Since I did actually buy and play that at launch, I can only ask. Where the fuck has the motherfucking time gone?!? Reply-2

I loved this game as a kid. Remember it being ridiculously hard once I got to higher teams.

Played the mini version on my Ps3 loads and it was still very addictive. Although nowhere near as hard as I remembered. Never once bought a transfer either, just stuck with the originals and mutilated there genetic structure for the sake of victory. Reply0

This thread is surely an excellent example of how the internet is full of people trying to argue about stuff they're completely clueless about?

It's almost like some people have never actually spoken to a woman before. I hear they're actually lovely in the flesh, and only eat and devour you once you've had sex with them, so really some of you have nothing to worry about.

Oh, good video by the way, always nice to see people actually enjoying some of their precious time :) Reply+6

Throughout history stories have been re-written because of the public. On every occasion it has been to the detriment of the original artistic vision, and eventually they've returned to their original state.

@Daeltaja. Another in the long line of fairly shocking review scores lately from Eurogamer. Such a shame, as I still love the writing style so much more on here. Abandon scores! Reply-1

Seems to have been a rather worrying trend for Eurogamer to over rate average generic games with big budgets whilst under rating the more diverse and interesting/risky games. Bit weird really, as I used to consider the reviews here as the opposite to that. Reply+6

Every single one of you that bought the game and now complains deserves a slap in the face. Seriously, it's not like Blizzard didn't give you plenty of warning beforehand that they were going to try raping you all. Thankfully my mum taught me not to accept sweets from strange men in cars. Reply+1

@UncleLou
I'll assume Demon's Souls was only ever playable with internet connection then? No? Completely specious comparison then? Yes. Even when they turn those servers off for all the copies of Demons Souls (some are still online) I can still play the single player game. This is not the case for Diablo is it? If the companies funding the servers went bust, the entire game would be useless.

In seriousness, my internet is fairly flakey at the best of times, and that's a sale they've lost because of no option to play it offline. I too would view this sort of game as ideal for moments when I actually don't have internet. I don't care, as there's less time in my life than games to play, but as a business decision, whichever benefits they think exist, must be on a very cynical and clinical level to essentially just remove a whatever percentage of potential customers. Reply+8

So you didn't say that anyone middle class would probably already own a console? You pretty much keep referencing a group of people that this now allows entry into the console market for. As though their lives have now been made richer by the addition of yet futher monthly debt options.

I suppose you think consolidating loads of monthly debts into one more manageable debt is a good idea as well? How is tempting people who can't afford to buy a console into buying a console for more than it costs to buy a console at a time when the console is only going to get cheaper anything but money grabbing and scummy? Lowering the cost of entry, but increasing the actual cost... So the person who can't afford it is now paying more than the person who could?!? Enjoy your 6 figure salary and having no idea what you're talking about :p To suggest that it is good for any income bracket is also rubbish. If you can afford it straight out, then why on earth would you pay extra to be able to buy it over 2 years? You didn't mention any of my other points about what happens when someone can't afford payments? Do they go without food and think about how lucky they were to be able to gain entry to such a prestigious club? Consoles are already the low point of entry for gaming, if you want high end you get a PC at 5 times the price. Your comparison to things like internet service providers are poor, am I right in basically thinking this is a locked in subscription for a 2 year period? Even mobile phone contracts normally let you adjust terms after 12 months... Reply-5

So who owns what then... What happens when inevitably someone can't afford repayments due to not quite correctly estimating their finances over a 2 year period? Have Microsoft started a new bailif and debt collecting department?

This is a terrible idea, and further fits into the cultural absurbity that people should be able to buy everything they can't afford as long as they are tied into futher debt when they buy it. Can't afford a games console, don't buy a games console...

All Microsoft are cleverly doing is selling an old console at the end of its lifespan for more than it costs to just buy it.

I can only assume Tazerfan is incredibly wealthy, as it's only the wealthy who seem to think working class people need as much help as possible to access amenities... instead of accepting that we just save for things we want as we appreciate that a games console isn't perhaps a necessity in the same way as a monthly food shop.

Finally, to ask whether someone buys all their rent up front is retarded. I am renting a flat, not renting an xbox. I am financing a flat or house if I buy it as an investment and a necessary place to live. I pay a service provider for my internet, I pay for a package on a monthly basis, and I can change at any point. They haven't said to me, right, you will own this internet router in 2 years time once you have paid us more than it would have initially cost to buy it. We will of course ignore the fact that in those 2 years the price of all the components will actually drop futher and what you eventually pay for a console we barely support anymore will in fact be even more disparate to the cost of just buying a new one. Of course, you get 2 years of live, which is an awesome investment considering you can buy it on discounts at various places at various times, not to mention that in the next 2 years a new servive may well have actually replaced it making it fairly obsolete...

Anyway, you're a prime example as to why the next generation of consoles and the marketing speak that is beginning to flood the rumour mills are generating such apprehension amongst gamers. Reply-4

I've made this point before sort of and no I am not saying they are on a par, however Hamlet was considered too depressing for it's time and was actually rewritten a couple of times to its detriment. It was eventually restored to it's intended shape and then recognised as the masterpiece it is.

Probably not relevant, but essentially leave created content in the hands of the creator, and it can stand on it's own merit forever more.

I just think it's nice a game ending has actually sparked something resembling a debate and bordering on critial reactions. Perhaps games really are catching up with the other artistic mediums? Reply+1

Ignore the, "if you go by the videos" part of course... If you think those videos are correct, then it stands to reason it's far better than the countless, and they lived happily ever after, or blahblahblah. Meh. I must be insane to present a different side of an argument. Reply0

Did you watch the video? It isn't just a dream (which is without doubt the cheapest way to write anything and would be an entirely unsatisfactory way to end anything). However, it does place Shepherd into the exact same position as every other sentient being that has lived. He is not a god, and the Reapers have every chance to eat into his psyche. It would be weirder if he was immune to it all just because he's the hero of the game.

I genuinely think it makes a lot of sense, and if anything is fairly bold of them and the closest thing to a decent ending I've heard of in games yet.

Shepherd was a man who was able to see beyond the lives of millions for the greater good. Everyone who has played through has obviously made those decisons. However, the reapers only chance was to rely on the individual, the child that represents those that can not save themselves. Meh, I do like the vitriol though. Just a shame that companies will almost certainly think twice before trying something different.

Basically, everyone said Hamlet was too gruesome and no one would like it. Today it's one of the most respected of Shakespeare's work. I'm not saying this is masterpiece, but if you go by the videos he posted, it's certainly one of the best endings ever written in games, and something that has not really been approached too often. Reply0

Crossifixxo. That is without doubt the only way the ending should be viewed. Finally a game ends with something resembling an interestingly written ending with layers to it to decipher, yet of course people are stupid and see only what is in front of them.

Further proof that games do not need good stories, people don't read them anymore. They read crap like Harry Potter (awfully written). Give (and no I'm not saying they're on the same level) some of English Literatures' greatest pieces to your average person, and they may only see what is written, but the right minds will find the true meanings, will look beyond what they think is in front of them. Reply-6

I am expecting some kind of puzzle related to this now. Maybe even a door you open, peak inside, and very quickly slam shut and back away looking traumatised... "What was in there dude?"
"You don't want to know!!!" Reply+1