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All Things Green Bay PackersWed, 25 Mar 2015 03:15:54 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Jay Timmonshttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28388
Thu, 02 Jan 2014 05:29:00 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28388Agree completely!
]]>By: RayMidgehttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28387
Wed, 01 Jan 2014 18:33:23 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28387My brother described Rodgers demeanor during his injury as “Will Hunting watching me do a math problem.” He really is a master, and what is difficult is easy for him…he might be about to go on a legendary tear.
]]>By: Dave Khttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28376
Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:53:00 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28376I have no problem kicking the extra point that early in the 4th quarter. There is a good chance of both teams scoring again with that much time left and you just can’t predict how important that one extra point will be later in the game. In my opinion, to many coaches go to the chart too early especially when you consider converting a two pt conversion is about 50/50 in the NFL and the Packers have been 1 for 8 over the last three seasons.

]]>By: awhayeshttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28369
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:21:14 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28369Solid point Chris. I did wonder that a bit too – if MM had reasonably lost faith in his defense to stop them there. But you’re right about that being pessimistic/defeatist thinking. I think this is an epidemic of thinking that affects lots of NFL coaches for some reason. Unfortunate really.

If MM would have punted on that 4th down I would have passed out.

]]>By: awhayeshttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28368
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:18:33 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28368Wilson – great point. I really do think some of the tension between McCarthy and Rodgers has to do with deciding which plays to call when. And I think what we’ve seen over the last 2 months with Rodgers injury and McCarthy’s clear joy that Rodgers was back (said something like “you’re darn right I’m glad the best player in the NFL is coming back”), points to a full-on shift in the power dynamic there. The shift had been in process, now it’s complete. This is Rodgers team now, not McCarthy’s team. There’s of course debate about whether or not that’s good, but given the success Peyton Manning has had I’d say on balance that’s a good thing. So let’s just let Rodgers run the show and have McCarthy focus on game management while contributing offensive play ideas.
]]>By: wilsonmaywickhttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28367
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:13:46 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28367“I think (perhaps foolishly) that Rodgers would do a better job calling ALL the plays from the huddle than the status quo.”

Not foolish at all Jay…I’ve been thinking and saying the same thing. I also wonder if some of the public differences of opinion between number 12 and MM is related to their difference of philosophy?

]]>By: Chrishttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28366
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:13:07 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28366I would have gone for two on the first two Packer touchdowns of the second half. But just playing Devil’s Advocate here………McCarthy must have been thinking on the fourth quarter TD, “If we go for two and don’t get it, and the Bears march down the field and score a TD, we’re down by 9, and then we’re screwed.” Now that’s defeatist thinking, but I can at least see why he elected to kick the extra point there. What’s even more frightening is McCarthy was thinking of punting on the fourth and one with 4:41 left!
]]>By: Travhttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28362
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 05:14:03 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28362Jay – Read that same article some time ago and it is an interesting use of the data to make game management decisions. We talk about this at work all the time with our business partners: “the data doesn’t lie”. I think it’s a matter of who will have the guts to step up and embrace a data driven decision model like this and be willing to take the heat for it when they don’t make a 4th down conversion and force a short field for the D.

I think what hurts NFL and College Head Coaches to the same extent, is that they have the precedent of “this is always how it was done” that rules their judgment along with, generally, being way too conservative in their management style.

Using the NBA as a counterpoint, it is such a statistics driven league to the point of how to defend a player to push them to a particular point on the court because their shooting percentage is X percentage points lower than at a different spot. Same with MLB.

You don’t read that much about the NFL using similar statistics, or I should say I haven’t seen cover stories pointing this out like the SI article you referenced. They may do it and it would be interesting to see how often the “gut” of the coach would override the data. I have to believe MM has a chart about when to go for 2 along with Asst Coaches with him and in this case went with his gut to kick the PAT rather than try it earlier in the 4th.

]]>By: awhayeshttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28359
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 04:42:28 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28359with you Trav – would be fine is Detroit keeps Schwartz.
]]>By: Jay Timmonshttps://packergeeks.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/game-thoughts-packersbears-7/#comment-28357
Mon, 30 Dec 2013 03:59:34 +0000http://packergeeks.wordpress.com/?p=11156#comment-28357Oh hey… Question for you. I am sure you saw the stories on Pulaski HS in Arkansas. What do you think of the statistics based strategy? Think it could work in the NFL? I really enjoyed seeing Rodgers convert though 4th downs today!