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Again, apologies if I'm reading it wrong, but I don't think he's mentioned using the A85 with the MA's. He is comparing the cheap Pioneer surround amp with the Arcam surround amp. His sig mentions the A85 is being used with some AE1s.

You're probably right.....I'm on a fair bit of medication at the moment....so the wrong end of the stick is easy to grab! :oops:

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines." Nelson Pass

Again, apologies if I'm reading it wrong, but I don't think he's mentioned using the A85 with the MA's. He is comparing the cheap Pioneer surround amp with the Arcam surround amp. His sig mentions the A85 is being used with some AE1s.

You're probably right.....I'm on a fair bit of medication at the moment....so the wrong end of the stick is easy to grab! :oops:

Don't worry, I know the feeling...

The MAs are attached to my arcam avr250. And the KEFs to the pioneer sub/amp.

But, on previous comparisons the sonos attached to the avr250 sounded very similar to the dv79 attached to the same. Now, the dv79 sounds much, much better than the sonos. Which is odd.

Having spent some not inconsiderable amount of time with kit shuffling I finally got to the root cause of the problem. Me. :oops: I had, at some point changed the settings on the Sonos connected to the main AV amp from "Fixed" to "Variable". And I have now learnt a lesson, even with the volume on Variable set to full, the extra volume controlling / equalisation hardware in the Sonos it goes through really mulches the output. With it set backed to Fixed, the Arcam AVR250 now sounds at least as good as the Pioneer. Which is nice.

Having spent some not inconsiderable amount of time with kit shuffling I finally got to the root cause of the problem. Me. :oops: I had, at some point changed the settings on the Sonos connected to the main AV amp from "Fixed" to "Variable". And I have now learnt a lesson, even with the volume on Variable set to full, the extra volume controlling / equalisation hardware in the Sonos it goes through really mulches the output. With it set backed to Fixed, the Arcam AVR250 now sounds at least as good as the Pioneer. Which is nice.