“Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that cost on to consumers.”

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I’m not just scared if His Majesty is re-immaculated. I’m scared if he loses, he will have a “compressed” second term that will last from now until January 20th.

A hard-left committed idealogue with 35 hard-left czars and hundreds of commissars can do a lot of damage in three months, with executive orders, agency regulations, recess appointments, and fast and furious type “under-the-radar” stunts.

I was discussing politics this past summer with one of my best friends, who works for a school especially dependent upon government assistance, and does very well on our dime. This good friend also likes to think he is a political wonk, but had never heard this Obama quote before. Amazingly none of the MSM, upon which he depends for political wisdom, had ever supplied this most astonishing of open admissions from a man who wants our support.

After that incident I made sure everyone I know watched this mugger’s confession.

I believe Romney referred to Obama’s remarks in a speech a couple of weeks ago in front of coal workers in PA. But I agree with you Steve…the Romney Campaign should be hitting this issue hard! Hopefully they are in Ohio, PA, MI, WI and VA in ads.

Maybe it’s because they think they’d be called racist.
“But that’s just Obama’s own words.” … “Racist!” It’s not racist. Go ahead and make the point about O’s own words on gas prices (that he [like Chu] said [in 2008] that he wants prices to rise, only slowly.. and that’s exactly what he “achieved” over his 4 year term! Imagine the second term it may rise slowly to the $10 a gallon Chu wants.).

Energy underpins the economy. Is it any wonder that O’s economic performance has been the worst since the 1930s.
In the debate O tried to get us to believe that he is pro-energy, when other than fanciful ineffective windmills and solar that would bankrupt this country, he’s done nothing but try to obstruct energy: opposing shale and fracking, continuing to restrict Alaska drilling and now imposing even more restrictions on Alaska, banning or limiting drilling on federal lands everywhere, stopping the XL Pipeline, and laying the foundation for bankrupting the coal industry.
That’s O’s record. That record is no surprise and fully consistent with his very own words about wanting to see energy prices skyrocket. O’s bs about having an “all of the above” energy policy is belied by his record, and his swaggering talk against oil and coal and other forms of vital conventional energy. And it is belied by the words of his (Anti)-Energy Secretary Stephen Chu who said he wants us to have to suffer $10 a gallon gas. Insane.

Gore would have won had he not lost his home state, and now his own newspaper has evidently taken note of O’s oil interests abroad:

“AL GORE’S NEWSPAPER ENDORSES ROMNEY: “To say this endorsement by The Tennessean is an eyebrow raiser is an understatement. This is the same newspaper where former Vice President Al Gore got his start in journalism, that endorsed Obama in 2008. Of course, the paper endorsed Gore in 2000. In 2004, the paper endorsed Democrat John Kerry over President Bush. Also, Middle Tennessee is a traditional Democratic stronghold.”

If so, then shouldn’t those who damage private property be held accountable?

Shouldn’t producers and and users pay for their damage they do by burning fossil fuels? Generating power with fossil fuels creates more damage than value-added, according to Yale economist William Nordhaus in a 2011 paper:

Of course, no one on forums like this wants to mention external costs, because including them makes it clear that we are all subsidizing fossil fuels by a huge amount through worse health and higher medical costs.

Please explain why users of these fuels shouldn’t be paying for their damages.

Appell’s fantasy world, where they only people allowed opinions are those with PHD’s after their name and a PHD always carries with it unassailable ethics. Personal liberty for the rest of the untermensch is verboten. What a sad person.

You are amazing. I post a video where the president of kenya says he wants to make electricity prices skyrocket. You respond with some crap about how that is good, and then you ask how it affects me? ROFLMAO

And when their bullshit carbon tax on top of everything for nothing goes through you can bet it will be passed down to everyone that has to pay for anything. except for those that owns the carbon trading markets. they can issue themselves carbon credits and live the high life.

For every $1 in value that comes from coal-generated electricity, it creates $2.20 in damages.
Total damages: $70 billion per year (in 2012 dollars).Petroleum-generated electricity is even worse: $5.13 in damages for $1 in value.

“For every $1 in value that comes from coal-generated electricity, it creates $2.20 in damages.”

Are you seriously putting forward the claim that if we shut off the fossil fuel industry tomorrow we would be $1.20 better per unit of value? E.g., If the fossil fuel industry bestowed a trillion dollars in economic benefits to the planet annually, shutting it down tomorrow would bestow an extra 1.2 trillion dollars of value?

David, hundreds of people drown in bathtubs every year in the US, should manufacturers of bath tubs pay for it and pass on the cost to consumers? A similar number die of accidental suffocation and strangulation in bed. Should consumers pay for that? About 16,500 people die each year in some sort of transport accident, including hundreds of bicyclists. Should everyone pay for the costs of those deaths? Charge more for bicycles perhaps? Tens of thousands of individuals die from drug overdoses… should the companies that manufacture those base chemical compounds compensate the ‘victims’ ?

Basically, as far as I can work out, your philosophy is that if anything bad ever happens to anyone, everyone else should be responsible in some indirect way, and we should all compensate each other. The compensation, I suppose, can come from borrowing money from China or something. (I assume you haven’t thought about the economics but rather focus on the “fairness” part of it.) 😉

Sadly, you still don’t get it. Goods, services and technologies incur benefits as well as costs. I purchase a pair of Nike running shoes. I cross the street and get hit by a car and die. Should Nike compensate me? On the other hand, thanks to Nike, more people exercise, live healthier lives and Nike’s products produce a net benefit to society.

The problem with your ‘logic’ (I’m being polite) is that you’re prepared to accept all the benefits but don’t wish to subtract the benefits from the costs. This is because you’ll end up owing Nike more than you did for the payment of those shoes…

As for fossil fuel base load energy… would you prefer that or a little wood oven in your kitchen? Let’s say hypothetically fossil fuel base load energy shortens the life span of every US citizen by, oh I don’t know… 14 minutes… But let’s take away the fossil fuel base load energy supply. Do what they do now in some parts of Africa. Maybe that shortens the life of every citizen by 4 years.

Your problem is that you’re demanding compensation for 14 minutes, while being unprepared to compensate the energy supplier for those extra 4 years. Do you now understand how juvenile your argument is?

Or to put it in David Appell speak, why should the energy suppliers provide you with benefits you are unwilling to fully pay for? How is that fair to the coal industry?

William Nordhaus isn’t a “crack smoking delusion” — it’s one of the best environmental economists in the world, whom climate skeptics cited copiously when he said cap-and-trade wasn’t economically efficient.

Your dismissal of him just proves you don’t even know what side he’s on. (Don’t expect your future replies to be taken seriously.)

Why are you still using the computer or taking a hot bath or cooking on the stove courtesy of Natural Gas and Coal.Why are you still eating the food you bought at the store that were originally from the farms and they ALL use Natural Gas and Coal to make it all possible.

There are still are places to go to live away from “modern conveniences” you rail against.Try living the way Helen and Scott Nearing did by growing most of their own food,build their own house,sheds and the solar heated greenhouse by their own hands,

I am sure you will finally lose all that extra weight and feel better knowing you now live like the monkey does out in the wild and leaving that natural stuff like coal and Natural gas in the ground where they belong.

Surely some of the food you eat was produced using fossil-fuel energy, right? Or the vehicle you use to commute (even bike or public transit)? Heck, the manufacturing of the systems used to generate your “green” energy were likely made using fossil-fuel energy…and even if they weren’t, then certainly energy used in the original R&D of such technologies was from fossil fuels.

You see, the numbers you’re throwing around are only valid in a system with set boundaries. I could just as easily claim, and probably more validly, that all of the “green” technologies were developed using energy generated by fossil fuels and therefore any benefits from them stemmed from those same fossil fuels. The claim that the net benefits of fossil fuels is negative is bizarre to me. I don’t see any alternative than to conclude that there would be far, far, fewer people on the Earth if fossil fuel technology had never been used. So the only way your argument is valid is to say that each person alive in the last century or so caused a net loss of wealth.

Viewing people as a net negative has certainly been done before, but such a religious view is frankly quite frightening.

I think you forgot at least three major points next to your supposed damage ratio of oil:

1. The energy each and everyone uses a day is equivalent to 600 men working for you
2. The goods produced with energy are the basis for our free market and prosperity
3. The costs of producing ‘green energy’ in both raw materials for production (rare earth metals, land, damage of property and so on) and taxes are extremely high.

Really, the utter bullsh%^ factor here is what the cost would be of NOT having these things. One of the things this “analysis”* “accounts” for is SEWAGE TREATMENT! Can you IMAGINE the real cost of not having modern sewage processing?!? And get this -marinas! They nazis want your boats now! Marinas! Would it make them feel better if everyone kept their boats separately? Costs a bit to do that without your own waterfront property. Ormaybe that’s what they’re driving at — middle class people shouldn’t be allowed to own boats and keep them together where they;re handy and can be cared for properly. Only the 1%s with beachfront on Cape Cod get to have boats. Is that it, Rube Appleknocker, or whatever your name is?

We live in a true dark age when an ignoramus such as David demonizes the fundamental technologies that are essential for our quality of life. Although another politer word for ‘imbecile’ is ‘romantic’. (Society went through a similar period towards the end of the 18th century, where fuzzy feel good ideas trumped reason.)

Completely agree Will. My grandparents generation knew from first hand experience what electricity, gas heat and gasoline powered engines meant and wouldn’t be snowed by the BS that is pumped out by the morons of the world like Appell. Hopefully this election cycle will turn a corner in the right direction.

“Electricity derived from fossil fuels damages human health, private property, and ecosystems. Why shouldn’t those who use that product pay for those damages?”

Oh does this mean we stop driving trucks and cars and go back to Horses and carriage? Where the horses poop in the street and cause Monte Carlo round of transmitted diseases on us and where Scarlett Fever clean out half a town/village.I am sure the people who lived in the 1800’s envied the few who stayed healthy beyond 65 years of age…. oops most people were already dead!

By the way “green energy” causes damages to the environment but you being a typical shallow minded econazi drone you fail to see it because you are caught up in a fantasy world where utopia is in the green.

Assuming David Appell PhD theoretical physics lives in Portland Oregon, the power pulled from his wall socket is on average 61% from fossil fuels, with 32% from burning coal. Unless he has installed solar panels or a wind turbine on his house and disconnected from the grid, his claim that none of his power comes from coal is the sort of vacuous drivel I hear from graduate students studying creative writing.

How about sending them this strange one too? Does he even know what he sounds like in saying this?? He makes it sound like it’s a good thing. He must have meant “is” and not, “is not”….. right? Or is he even messing himself up from all the curves he throws, and doesn’t even know what he is and is not saying?

Nordhaus’ paper is your typical leftist fantasy, yet sadly not in 3D. It is all assumptions and models, just like their ‘Climate Science’. Nordhaus just pulls numbers out of his ass, and then models them, as if anyone with a brain would care.

Sadly, true. Nordhaus publishes in a strange little ‘branch’ of economics called ‘environmental economics’. This has the approximate relationship to economics equivalent to what naturopathy has to nutritional science… For example Nordhaus et al., discuss how the energy industry ‘damages’ the economic output of a berry farm, due to unaccounted for externalities such as air pollution. In doing his calculations he is weirdly oblivious to the obvious fact that the berry farm would not exist without the energy industry, as this is required for transport, cultivation, administration, etc. The field is so utterly bizarre and disconnected from reality, it can’t even be described as junk science… perhaps it can be tagged as ‘ideology’ or some such.

I have now watched both movies, 2016 and just now, “Dreams From My Real Father”. I highly recommend them both! .. however, I must warn, I now feel like slitting my wrists.

How the hell could the sheeple of this country EVER elect this piece of garbage to one of the most powerful positions in the world??

Also, heed this warning, there WILL be an event or events between now and January in an attempt to thwart the removal of Obama from office should Romney win. Mark my words here. This POS will NOT be leaving the White House quietly! … mark my words…

“For every $1 in value that comes from coal-generated electricity, it creates $2.20 in damages.”

Are you seriously putting forward the claim that if we shut off the fossil fuel industry tomorrow we would be $1.20 better per unit of value? E.g., If the fossil fuel industry bestowed a trillion dollars in economic benefits to the planet annually, shutting it down tomorrow would bestow an extra 1.2 trillion dollars of value?

Are you a mental retard?”

Yes, David is a f*cking idiot. He also thinks that a crappy paper written by an deranged alarmist who was kicked off of wikipedia for dishonest editing practices “proved” that the 70’s ice age scare did not exist.

David: “None of my power comes from coal. I pay extra to have green energy.”
And the free market says?
Oh, forgot as you outlined the big oil, big coal has been stealing from us for years – unlike your very publicly subsidized ‘green energy’.

Summary:
“This lengthy catalog of EPA horrors does not include schemes being hatched but not yet disclosed. Nor does it include initiatives by “junior EPAs” — such as the cap-and-trade plan by CARB (Calif Air Resources Board).
Clearly, if Romney-Ryan are elected, they will have their hands full just reining in the EPA – an essential step in restoring economic growth. They will need all the help they can get from the next Congress.”
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Just read the article to find out what the costs will be of all of this. The US may never recover.

A glimpse into the mind of the “undecided voter”, obtaining political insight from South Park. I hope Adam spends election day with the Cartoon Network and a bag of Cheetos, and leaves the voting to adults.

I really don’t think you’ll be disappointed if you pay the $2.95 to see it. You may find you’ll want to watch it again. A lot of people have. I watched it more than once. You can watch it more than once since it is a 7 day rental. It will open your eyes to how far America has sloughed toward communism. And you may find it is better made than you are thinking it will be.

So Dickhead Appel, You exhale CO² are you going to pay us for your pollution. You fart Methane, will you pay us for that. You use transport will you pay us for that. You wash everyday, I presume (could be wrong, of course) will you pay us for the hot water. You are such an enormous plonker, really.

I was born in one country, raised in another.
My father was born in another country. I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name. My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional beliefs & didn’t follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them. That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career. I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30′s then with secret help, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit. I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances. This bolstered my ego. At first, my political campaign focused on my country’s foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized every opportunity to bash it. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country’s economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight. I called mine “A People’s Campaign” and that sounded good to all. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that if I merely offered the people ‘hope’, together we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include “persecuted minorities” like the Jews & Blacks. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I became my nation’s leader. I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I truly believed, if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with. I’m glad they didn’t. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the world learned the truth.

His “other” religion. Don’t say he had a Jewish background? I heard he was.
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If I was a US citizen, I’d vote Republican at the drop of a hat providing the GOP acted fairly and honestly. Which they did not.
I guarantee crazies and psychopaths will be wandering the halls of power after the elections. Regardless.

Steven, I would like to submit this video to you and suggest all of your readers view. This is an outstanding video that I think everyone should watch and consider as they prepare to vote on Tuesday. And please, EVERYONE get out and vote. I cannot stress enough just how important this election is. You can go out of your way to do all sorts of other trivial things in your life, this is one of the most important things you may ever do during your lifetime. You MUST get out and vote!