Well I'm no expect, but more than 1 dev has said that even though the spec are weaker than a high end PC, because of the standard platform that built purely for gaming (plus apps) the Ps4 can be optimized to run comparable to a high end PC.

A think a better saying among devs. is the PS4 aims for High End PC's, because the PS4 just doesn't have the Raw power to be considered a High-End PC.

The CPU is completely outclassed by an FX 8350 The GPU is completely outclassed by an HD 7970 GHZ

The PS4's one advantage is having 8GB of GDDR5, but that's slowly shrinking with GPU's using 6GB @ 288 GB/s (Titan), and 4GB @ 304 GB/s (9970).

High-end PC's are also capable of playing current-gen PC games in 4k, something the PS4 won't be able to do.

The games shown thus far are launch titles, and so they don't do the consoles complete justice and in 1 - 2 years the PS4 may very well be capable of releasing games with near high-end PC levels of performance, the problem is by then High-end gaming will be on another level with UHD GPU's hitting shelves.

The PS4 is a solid console, that will hold it's mid-range title for a good 2 - 3 years thanks to console overheads, but high-end it is not (well at least not compared to desktops, but compared to laptops then yes it's high end).

PC hardware improves EVERY year. Usually every 2 years high-end cards drop to mid-range, mid-range drop to low, and low are the new APU's (and year 3 is when the jump takes place)

In the case of the PS4 pound for pound it's a Mid range gaming PC when compared to the HD 7000 series GPU's (as it's a 7000 series mobile GPU). The HD 9000 series launches this year with the top GPU 9970 rumored to be more powerful than a GTX Titan.

So you have the PS4 1.84 TFLOPS (2014) compared to a HD 9970 8.2 (2014) which has nearly 4.5x more TFLOPS than the PS4. That basically means multiplats will run on the PS4 in 1080p @ 30 - 60fps, while the 9970 will run them in 4k @ 30 - 60fps with better graphic quality than the PS4.

Then in 2015 the jump will take place as AMD moves to UHD 1000 cards where even low-end GPU's will be running games in at least 2k @ 30fps, while the high end will be pushing 4k @ 60fps.

No matter how much you 25 people want to disagree this is just the cycle of gaming.

@ShinMaster

No everyone won't have a Titan, but you're foolishly speaking as if PC gamers are stuck with Titan for the next 5+ years. Titan is being rivaled by the GTX 780 and likely surpassed by the HD 9970 both of which will be $600 cards by the end of the year all of which are 4x more powerful than the PS4. PC gamers only need to upgrade their GPU this gen and maybe RAM or SSD.

It's not a knock against the PS4 it's just being real, and not having bias, or fanboy goggles on. A $400 console is not going to outperform a $1,000+ PC. PS4 games will look great and acceptable, but they won't rival a high-end PC PERIOD.

His statement is correct if you are looking at the whole world of PCs. There are literally hundreds of millions of computers actively being used in the world and PS4 will likely outperform 90% of them which would qualify for calling it a high end system.

However, the definition of a high end pc is completely different for an enthusiast. For an enthusiast, the bare bones, budget, entry level pc would outperform 85% of the PCs being used in the world.

It’s a high-end PC with extras, by that I mean the DDR5 RAM, the fact it doesn’t have an OS such as Windows on it taking up MUCH of the system resources, leaving us developers access to pretty much the entire hardware, meaning we can do more at with better performance than an equivalent PC spec.”

Go read something about the difference between GDDR5 and DDR5 then come back to replying me.

As for no bulky OS of PlayStation 4, tell me why won't Sony officially share the amount of memory reserved for the system and graphics lead? This is an official response from them:

We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for.

Why can't they comment, first the pump tell people that the memory is primary used for gaming on the other hand they get a hard time claiming if the whole memory is exclusive for game or OS. Promised 8 GB for gamers but can't even confirm what amount they officially give out to developers.

@xKugo, you are such a fucking retard. That reply was directed towards windblowsagain and 90$ of the consoles boys who think they are getting DDR5 ram on the PS4.

You think im not aware of the fact that DDR4 isnt even available to consumers at the moment? You think i don't know DDR5 is a 2017 part.

DDR5 won't be available to anyone until 2017 when mass produced by Samsung and TSMC. GDDR5 (Graphics Dual Data Rate x5) has been available on PCs since 2008, Consoles got it now since it has become the standard memory while hardare makers such as NVIDIA an AMD are moving towards the next step. Stacked Memory, HUMA, Cross-Link are the future.