>>121439308Because Toriyama has to shit on Gohan in everything he does.

My question is why the heck is Krillin a cop?Even if he wants to make money because 18 is all about the zenny there's so many ways he could make more money much easier with his strength than ending up as traffic patrol.

>>Freiza comes back>>Has trained to the point he is able to beat Goku, Vegeta, Beerus & Whis>>The only one who can stop him is Tarble, who has unlocked his full potential and reached Super Saiyan God 2

With Freeza down, his army is in shambles. So to reorganize, Sorbet (former staff officer of the third stellar region) takes control of the army for the time being. He heads for Earth together with Tagoma, a warrior on par with the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria.

They coerce the Dragon Balls from Pilaf and co., summon Shenlong, and wish to revive Freeza.

Freeza: “I won’t be satisfied until I’ve killed the two Super Saiyans who did this to me.”

Tagoma says something he shouldn’t, and gets killed for it.

Sorbet: “Son Goku has become strong enough to defeat Majin Buu.”

Freeza: “That’s more than I imagined. But I’m a prodigy, so if I bring out all of my dormant power through training, I’ll crush even the Saiyans in the blink of an eye.”

>>121440018The fight choregraphies are nice, it's fast and you can feel the strength of the fighters. In the manga, the anime is terrible.Also, if you look at the fights before the Cell and Buu saga, they have a lot more things than what you said.

>>121439926How the fuck does Freezer even know about Majin Bu or how strong he is? Not even Babidi knew how strong Buu actually was.And if frieza really had a "dormant strength",why the fuck he didn't train after he got beaten by Goku, he just built himself a robot body. To think that this shit is canon.

>>121440168To be fair, Freezer built himself strong enough to destroy everyone on Earth at that point. There's literally no way he could have known Trunks would have appeared from the freaking future out of nowhere.

>>121440168He didn't build himself shit. He was scooped up by daddy in deep space and built into a cyborg while immediately flying toward earth to destroy it and torture everyone on it under the assumption that Goku was dead.

Obviously now that he's back and probably immortal, things are different

>>121440211Not strong enough to beat Goku.The whole "he never gave a fuck so he didn't train" could work, but not here. Freeza will probably become stronger than Buu in a matter of days, a ridiculous amount of time. Even if we say he knew he was the strongest in the universe and didn't have a reason to train, he feared Super Saiyans, enough to plot behind the scenes and exterminate the future threats. Why would he wait to be killed twice to train?Now if he was picked up right after Trunks "killed" him and trained for 30 years, that'd make it a bit more ok but I don't think that'll happen

>>121440286Freezer didn't die against Goku, he managed to survive just enough that he could be revived through machinery. Trunks is the one who actually killed him. Freezer has been in Hell (or HFIL lololo) since then.

But really, why do you say he wasn't stronger than Goku? He definitely was. Goku stayed on the planet that saved him and trained with them for a little while before returning to Earth. At this point, though, Freezer had thought that Goku blew up with Namek.

>>121440373Except Freiza knew the God of Destruction personally, was his bitch. It seems like less of a baseless legend if his officers knew about it and could tell Freiza how badass Goku was just by mentioning the name.

>>121440423I guess he was, since he was able to predict and block Trunks' sword with his index finger. But wasn't that only because he trained before coming back to Earth? Freezer was just foolish about it. He didn't think Goku would ever even survive Namek let alone think he would have trained some more in the time it took Freezer to be rebuilt.

>>121440530He wanted to torture him by leaving him alive or some shit. But yeah he really didn't think about the consequences. Goku not killing Piccolo makes sense because he could always kick his ass the day he tried to do something bad. Sparring Veget and Freezer was irresponsible.

>>121440583Which is why he's retarded, he thinks just because he was stronger that means Freiza couldn't get back at innocent people... like the billions he had slaughtered in the past. All Goku seems to care about is personal fights.

>>121440553>>121440559It's been a while. That does sound right, though. My mistake. But then Freezer still didn't think Goku would train enough during the time it took him to be rebuilt. Again, he was just being cocky about it all.

Showing up and going "SINCE WHEN WERE YOU UNDER THE IMPRESSION MY FINAL FORM WAS MY FINAL FORM?" would be really aggravating.

How he trains is important though. Doing some shadow boxing and calling it a day would be a bad way of going about it. I want to see him on some horrid planet training under a fuckload of gravity in really poor conditions.

>>121440645There's nothing wrong with mecha Freezer, keep in mind that he wanted to 2 vs 1 Goku. He probably would have destroyed the planet too.Freezer not training at all when he could've became stronger than Buu, however...

>>121440930Same,its like getting rid of all the saiyans tails to the point of forgetting them completely when trunks/goten rolled around or getting rid of all the beast people that were also earthlings.Its just making the whole setting more bland and samey.

>>1214405301) Goku wasn't concerned about Freeza's army because he hardly knows anything about them, it's not really his job to do it. He's never been interested in being in control of anything other than a fight. Goku could probably clean up crime pretty well, but it's not his job to do it.2) He was under the impression that Freeza would be too ashamed (read; scared) to try and fuck with him anymore.3) He also says to Freeza that he shouldn't cause trouble anymore. If anyone heard about the warrior that trounced Freeza, they try to go call him.

>>121440723That's also what I remembered, but thinking about it, didn't Emma said Dabura loved "hell" so he sent him to "heaven" ? Which implies it exists. Doesn't means it's anything like the one in the Anime filler. This shit was so retarded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiXxNbGGI4c

>>121440875He's half-Human, so I guess that means he can still have Human disadvantages. Chi-chi kept him reading books for most of his childhood, so he probably developed near-sightedly. We all know people in the DBZ world mostly use Ki to sense things during a fight anyway.

>>121440908Well obviously Goku is going to get pissed off when his friend dies. He's not a cold-blooded asshole.

Goku being dumb about his enemies is what makes his character so amazing. He's satisfied just being able to beat strong people in a fight, he doesn't want to kill them. In fact, he wants them to live so they can get stronger and thus give Goku more of a fight later on. If he cared about killing people who threatened his world, he never would have given Freezer a bit of his power to live, and he never would have given Cell a Senzu Bean. It was like, "this amazingly powerful bad guy is going to destroy Earth, but Goku gave him a Senzu Bean? Is he crazy?!," how is that boring?

Speaking of Goku's status as the MC its pretty boring that Goku keeps getting handed new forms like he was Ichigo. Now SSJ3 was one thing, but even then it wasn't the same as it being revealed only saiyans were capable of becoming literal GODS by having a bunch of other saiyans circlejerk them to divinity including a fetus in the womb. If anything the God thing could have been used as a grand leveler to deal with the cancerous power level wank, bring everyone who's worthy to a new baseline so they can all get some proper fights in again not just the saiyans.

>>121441067> Cell says he will torture the hell guy, then he directly tries to kill him> Freezer's eyelashes> Fucking Freezer being impressed that Goku beated the Ginyu forces and think that means he became much much stronger> Pikkon rekt improved Cell who is SSJ2 tier even tough he got beaten by a SSJ1 Goku

>>121441485Could be explained by "he began to understand the importance of life", but that's still retarded. Reread Dragon Ball, he kills ton of people, like the black vice president of the red ribbon army.

>>121438943>Sense Shenlong being summoned>Everyone flies to scene within 30 seconds.>Sees Frieza revived from first wish>Beat the shit out of him for the third time>Use 2nd wish to revive him again>Beat the shit out of him for the fourth time

>>121442249Goku still got made into the one taking exploding Cell to the afterlife and then pulling out the father-son kamehameha assist to finish super cell even then. Buu saga gohan was made into a dumbass who couldn't even catch an earring despite his superspeed.

>>121442329To this day i'm still baffled>ok so we have three wishes and there's Kid Buu to beat>let's revive everyone being killed by any villain since the tournament (so even the ones killed by Vegeta) to gather the energy nessary to beat him>the earthlings will listen to a random guy sucking their energies out>um,that's a quite complicated wish,may take a while>how about something simpler,like BRINGING FUCKING GOHAN THERE>nope>vegetamastertactictian.jpg

>>121442702>>121442633Its not really funny how all the characters that weren't goku got shit on as time passed, heck most of them are more interesting in one way or another than him but got treated even worse than sidecharacters in Naruto or Bleach.

>>121441060Dammit, that filler arc was such horseshit. Having Pikkon own Cell in a matter of seconds when it took everything Goku and Gohan had to beat him, only for Goku to beat Pikkon in the tournament in the end? Horseshit.

I can't think of a single Dragonball character that's got shittied on more than Orihime and Chad, from Bleach.

Yamcha, Puar, Oolong, Kuririn, Yajirobe, Tenshinhan and Chaiotsu, at their worst, still proved to be helped during the story arcs they were introduced in.

Kubo made a point to put aside whole story arcs for Chad and Orihime JUST to play up how useless they are.

I can't really take Naruto to task, by comparison, since the character got to do something, even they were proven worthless, in the long run.

Rock Lee, Shikamaru, Chouji, Neji, Ino, Tenten, Guy, etc. all got to fight somewhere in the show, instead of just showing up to get one-shotted or killed off; that's about even for what the non-Goku characters in Dragon Ball got, as the series went on. And even then, at least Toriyama gave enough shits about his characters to give them a passing mention years later, without resorting to Data Books, like Kubo has done.

>>121444329So... the exact same thing you're accusing Kubo of?Toriyama completely forgot about her and threw out something belated later on outside the series itself to explain why she completely vanished.The anime crew remembered her more than he did.

No he didn't. He has her dialog on the page where Android 17 is shown holding up some poachers.

It was originally supposed to be Lunch, given technically 17 never met Son Goku, so when he says "Ah, that's a voice I haven't heard in a long time." it makes zero sense.

Toriyama actually requests they fix it for the anime release that came a year later. The only character he forgot is Tao Pai Pai, but that was 10+ years after Dragon Ball ended with that duo interview with the author from One Piece.

Next to 'when DBZ was supposed to end', 'Toriyama's bad memory' is the only thing more exaggerated by DBZ fans. Considering Dragon Ball was running on a week-to-week schedule, often with only a two-chapter buffer between the weekly releases, it's amazing Toriyama didn't forget a lot more things during Dragon Ball's run.

Frieza was a mutant - an outlier. He was the strongest in the universe for no reason but fate. The Super Saiyans -what he feared most- ended up taking his life, and now that he's been gifted new life, he has the chance to train his body and mind for the challenge of killing the man who humiliated him.

>>121438886>Frieza isn't given some kind of power up from a new character like an evil god or demon, it's just "well if I train that means I can get stronger quickly">Beerus suddenly can't do shit because he has a cold>Whis apparently chooses to do nothing to kill Frieza

Yep, sounds like Toriyama alright. Not that I'm complaining but I expected more.

>>121446006It makes sense when you understand the greater SSJ transformations are kind of useless. They fit the situations at hand, but in a fight against someone who knew what he was doing (Bills) they were just too slow. SSJ 3, for example, worked against Buu. That's because Buu let himself get hit due to his regeneration powers. He didn't give a fuck. Frieza would be way too fast for that - similar to Bills.

The real question is can Frieza tap into the same mindset Goku found after experiencing Super Saiyan God? Why the hell not? I'm a fan of that potential asspull.

>>121444494>People bitch about Yamcha jobbing, but at least he's won a notable fight, which is more than you can say about Chad.

Even if you ignore the characters fighting record, at least Yamcha, Tien and Krillin still hang out with Goku and try to help, when shit goes down.

In Bleach, Ichigo barely sees his human friends anymore. I recall the chapter where Aizen attacks the real Karakura town being one of the best ones, since at see Mizuiro throwing pipe-bombs and shit at Aizen, for all the good it did. It's a shame that guy, Tatsuki and Keigo didn't get special powers, because they were a hell of a lot better characters than the shitload of Soul Society characters that get focus wasted on them.

So,let me get this straight, Freeza could become Buu tier with few days of training,but decided to exterminate the strongest race of soldiers of his army instead?Jesus this is not any less retarded than the Broly movies.

>>121446156We don't know the plot of the movie, yet. Goku and Vegeta could be on a level with Freeza, turning this into nothing more than sport. There might be no reason for those two to intervene.

Just my opinion.

Goku was shown fighting Freeza in base form. Perhaps Goku and Vegeta greatly outclass Freeza, and killing him is no problem, but he was granted eternal life by the dragon balls, and they have to discover a more creative way of stopping him than simply sending him to the spawn point?

Frieza is only like a hundred years old, I find it hard to believe that Beerus was able to form a strong impression before going into another sleep cycle. I mean frieza comes across as a total gentlemen.

That's because Kubo is busy making Ichigo a billion and one things, he doesn't have time to hang out with his faggot friends when he can be hanging out with some else getting them sweet power ups that are going to be used once or twice and forgotten.

This movie is a legit scenario WHAT IF FREEZA WANTED TO GO UNDER TRAINING TO BECOME EVEN STRONGER dude was a monster almost SSJ tier by doing nothing his whole.

If you idiots still didn't get it just remember at the beginning of saiyan saga Goku had as much powerlevel as a random farmer with a shotgun and by the end of the series he had to fight on other planet because he could easily evaporate the whole earth.

If you still think Freeza being powerful as fuck after training is an asspull you are an idiot.

>>121446833Goku trained in 100G chambers,had a shit ton of zenkais and ultimately trained with fucking gods.No shit he improved so much.Frieza has neither of those things.Not to mention that those powerlevels are bullshit to begin with,by that chart fucking Puar has Olympian strength.

>>121446833>yet people is buttblasted because freeza got stronger after training

Because it's pretty unbelievable that Frieza could train in such a short time and suddenly be able to match SSG Goku, who has gone through way more shit since Namek. People were expecting another universe's god of destruction giving him a powerboost.

Maybe if Frieza was revived a long ass time ago and trained in secret it would be different.

Freeza by default had as much powerlevel as Goku after his first zenkais and 100G training.

Like I said Freeza training and becoming even stronger is indeed stupid and I won't deny it but, it makes sense in DBverse because powerlevel scales on a retarded manner look at Goku nigga went from 10 to like 9999999999999999 powerlevel you keep this scale but change the base powerlevel from 10 to a shitload of millions Freeza had then do the math...

Again it's cheap and stupid but this is how senile Toriyama is justifying Freeza being "legit strong" after all these years.

Super Saiyan Grade One (Basic Form)When they transform into Super Saiyans their battle power, the height of their ki, and muscle strength are all dramatically increased compared to when they are regular Saiyans! What's more, once they transform their black hair stands straight up and is dyed gold, and they emit an intense aura. This form could be called the basis for all later Super Saiyans from Grade Two onward!!

Son GokuOn Planet Namek Goku challenged Freeza (in his third transformation form) to an intense battle, and when Kuririn was killed his anger transformed him into a Super Saiyan! Afterwards, he adopted the pattern of normally living as an ordinary Saiyan, and transforming into this Grade One during battle.

Son GohanSon Gohan is a kind-hearted boy who loves peace and hates fighting. But the blood of the Saiyans, the strongest fighting race in the universe, flows inside him! Gohan finally transforms into a Super Saiyan after receiving special training directly from Goku in the Room of Spirit and Time! The power that was hidden inside of him is greater than Goku's!?

VegetaWhen Vegeta learned that Goku had transformed into a Super Saiyan, he began intense training as he traveled the universe on his own! Through his anger towards Goku and himself (for being unable to surpass Goku), he transformed into a Super Saiyan, capable of using a great technique called the Big Bang Attack!

>>121447389Unlike Sayans,humans don't have a legendary powerup that turn their appearance. And even then,there is a specific reason,be it training or rage. There Krilling fucking multiplies his strength x7 out of the blue.

Super Saiyan Grade TwoA Super Saiyan that has surpassed the limits of Super Saiyan: that's Grade Two! Muscles are even larger than in Grade One, with power and speed raised as well! The shape of the Super Saiyan's trademark upright hair is also even more combative. When Vegeta underwent this transformation during his battle with second stage Cell, he called himself "Super Vegeta".

VegetaVegeta underwent ultra special training in the Room of Spirit and Time. The fruits of his labor were this Grade Two transformation and the great Final Flash technique, which has enough force to shatter the Earth! Though he's a warrior who surpasses even stage two Cell, his power was no match for Cell in his perfect form.

TrunksTrunks became capable of transforming into Grade Two through his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, which he entered with Vegeta. He first showed off this transformation when trying to stop Cell from absorbing No.18!

Son GokuGoku passed on the secret of the Super Saiyan transformation to Gohan. He demonstrated the Grade Two transformation for Gohan, then continued right on to Grade Three!

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Super Saiyan Grade ThreeA Super Saiyan with overwhelming power that far surpasses even Grade Two! But the enlarged muscles get in the way and kill speed. In other words, it could be called a transformation that relies too much on power. Another flaw is that its energy consumption is too intense.

Trunks In terms of power he even surpasses Super Vegeta (Super Saiyan Grade Two)! After Super Vegeta was defeated, he challenged Cell in his stead, but was outclassed in speed and sadly suffered a complete defeat. Incidentally, it seems that Vegeta is also capable of transforming into a Grade Three.

Son GokuHe transforms into a Grade Three during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time! This grand form amazed and impressed Gohan, but Goku spotted its flaws: its intense energy consumption and the way that its muscles lower speed!

Cell is also capable of the same transformation!?Cell was startled when he saw Trunks transform into Grade Three. But the truth is that Cell himself is also capable of this power up! However, he realized that a transformation that relied on power was meaningless. He therefore tried to avoid using it.

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>Super Saiyan Grade FourA form where without consciously raising their ki they are still able to remain Super Saiyan on a regular basis: that's Grade Four. From the start Grade One balanced power, energy consumption, etc. This form removes the slightly agitated state which characterizes Grade One. It's a natural form of Super Saiyan which has even gotten rid of their wild personality!

Son GohanHe grew a lot both physically and mentally during his roughly 1 year of training in the Room of Spirit and Time! After Goku surrenders, he succeeds him in stepping up to the Cell Games ring and challenging perfect form Cell! His clothes were given to him by his martial arts master Piccolo.

Son GokuGoku transformed into Grade Four during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, and stepped up to the ring as the first challenger in the Cell Games. Though he put up a good fight against perfect form Cell, he sadly resigned, and selected Gohan as Cell's next opponent.

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>Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form)An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System!

Son GohanGohan's true power that had lain dormant finally awakens! He transforms through his extreme rage towards Cell, who tormented Goku and the others with his Cell Juniors, and even destroyed No.16! His personality does an about-face; the strongest Super Saiyan, he easily battles Cell!

>>121446944Freeza was born powerful. If had any one of those advantages, he'd body Goku more thoroughly than Daigo did Justin Wong. Fuck off, you fucking Goku cocksucking, dick-riding fanboy. I bet you think Goku can beat Superman too.

>>121447705>If had any one of those advantagesWell,guess what,he hasn't. And while goku achieved his results in a lifetime,Frieza is going to do it in a few days. And a sub-par training of top of that.You can call me goku cocksucker,it won't change that it's stupid and forced.

>>121447912>You haven't read the manga or knew what training he has gotten, Goku dickrider.You didn't either. There isn't a single person in the entire galaxy that will give Frieza any kind of special training.

>>121438886>Freeza revival>Weak as shit>Vegeta mocks him>Goku finds it boring and tell him about the asspull chamber>Freeza spent a day (year) training>Come out with God tier powers>Vegeta jobs as usual to make Freeza looks like an actual threat>Goku saves the dayDid I miss something?

>>121448268>he multiplied his power so much because he literally had god like training.And Freeza was known to the gods, particularly Beerus. Him availing of God-like training isn't unusual. Stop sucking Goku's dick over his fucking training, Freeza could get that too if he wanted to since he was rep even before Goku went to the afterlife.

>>121446468To be fair, Frieza can take an exceptional amount of punishment. His legs got cut of and they didn't even get gangrene or anything. Then he got blown to shit when Namek exploded and he was still fucking alive.

Frieza's race is probably the most resistant to any problem puny non-frost demons (whatever his race'a name is) face. Ebola or the flu would probably just make him stronger and shut like that. Coupled with the fact that he's a mutant far stronger than the other members of his race and he has some serious potential.

>>121448232>Bulma and the Kaiocan give those kind of training.Freeza has mad rep even before Goku met Kaio. I'm surprised it didn't occur to you that he himself can pull strings to get that training done.

>>121448374>And uttely despised by him.That doesn't mean he can't find gods to get him training. There aren't just goody gods available. But sure, backpedal some more. I enjoy imagining seeing it dawn on your idiotic face that you're wrong about this.

>>121448427Well sure,if Frieza actually finds a god training him it's not bullshit if he goes Buu tier.>backpedalHow am I backpedaling? Is now admitting a mistake a wrong thing? To me it looks like the only ones getting mad here are Friezafags calling other Goku's dickriders/ Mexican hues.

>>121448531>Well sure,if Frieza actually finds a god training him it's not bullshit if he goes Buu tier.And we're discovering more and more things cosmic and spiritual about Dragon Ball every day, so to say that it's bullshit he got powered up is like saying it's bullshit Perfect Cell was invented by a Red Ribbon Army scientist, an organization that was destroyed when Goku was a toddler.

>>121448522>Why would toriyama introduce the idea of another god in revival of fWhy would Toriyama introduce more gods back in Z in order to justify Majin Buu as being a bigger threat than Perfect Cell?

It's to continue the story, retard. And he already introduced different dimensions into the mix too.

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