Is there the intention to give the existing customers of the CSW V 1 a discount if they want to replace their CSW V1 with the new V 2?

I have bought the CSW 9 months ago and then bought the whole clubsport equipment (CSP, CSS SQ, BMW rim, Formula rim). I will never buy the CSW V 2 if there isn't a possibilty to send in the old version and then getting an appropriate refund. Who needs 2 bases?

I don't think I am the only one who is not willing to pay futher 500 € for a better base after spending already 450 € for the old base not a long time ago. That's nearly 1000 € together, only for the bases.

And the possibilty to sell the old base isn't attractive because the launch of the new base will drop the prices for the used old version.

Thomas: You should do something in this direction and care more for good existing customers. I have spend nearly 2000 € for FANATEC products.

if you want to buy a new car and trade in the old one then the dealer pays you about 10-20% less the market value for the old one so he can also earn some money on it because selling a used car is also an effort.

Selling a base on ebay is easy and I expect prices to be stable as the V1 is far more attractive than many other wheels out there.

At least you get the 100,- pre-order discount and this is the best we can do.

For those of you complaining about using the wheels on PS4 or XB1, I hope this is an eye opener for you.

These companies will not allow products on their platform, unless they get a cut of every sale. This is why you won't be able to use ANY of the existing steering wheels on the PS4 or XB1. Fanatec will need to make individual wheels for each platform and for each type of racing discipline. (F1 wheel for PS4 and XB1, GT wheel for PS4 and XB1, etc, etc, etc...)

This is a horrible business model, as the customers are the ones that get screwed. I've been using a console all my life and most recently a PS3. After the proprietary way both Sony and Microsoft approached the next generation, I decided to make the move. Built a gaming PC and will not look back.

I love the simplicity of the consoles, but that comes at a huge price. When you add up the price of the console and the amount you need to spend on proprietary peripherals, it does not make sense to lock yourself into a platform.

Of course, there is a cost to this, as I won't be able to play the next generation Gran Turismo. So, the question becomes, is it worth spending $400 on a console and $400 on proprietary peripherals, just to play one game?? I think not. I'll stick to the PC, which is compatible with 99% of the games out there and allows me to use all my Fanatec gear, as I choose.

My 2 cents. Sham on you Sony and Microsoft. Compatibility is the future. This proprietary stuff makes me sick.

I don't understand your comparison. The comparison would only make sense if you would be willing to pay 10/20 % under the market value of the old CSW. But that is obviously not the case. Or did I misunderstand you?

If you compare it with the automotive industry, there is a signicant difference: If I buy a new car, you know when the next model of this car will be introduced. A car at the end of the product history is sold at lower prices than the same model a year ago because most people want to wait for the new model.

In your case you made a secret about the new version, no one should know until today. I understand that is interesting for FANATEC to hype a new product. But do you think also about the people who wanted to order the CSW a week ago and waited understandably with that because of your mystcal 7-1 countdown. Now they look into the "Röhre" (;-) and can wait a long time because they are a the end of the invitation list or not even on this list. That is not fair in my opinion.

I don't understand your comparison. The comparison would only make sense if you would be willing to pay 10/20 % under the market value of the old CSW. But that is obviously not the case. Or did I misunderstand you?

Marc, you can sell your 9 month old base for $200-$300 pretty easy and you get a $100 discount on the new product. That means you would only have to fork out a few hundred dollars to get a much improved base with much better internals.

If that is not worth it for you, you still have what you paid for 9 months ago and can enjoy that instead. This is the way the world works. Nobody gives you a discount because they came out with a new product. That's just not reality.

You think Thrustmaster is allowing people to return their old gear, just because they came out with a new product? Your expectations are unreasonable.

I was one of the first wave of buyers of the CSW base when it went on sale a couple of years ago. While I have had it repaired multiple times I still don't see an invite code for the new unit. I also have the Formula Rim, BMW rim, Clubsport Shifter SQ.

Odd that I haven't received a code when my unit was within the first 25 that went out.

i have purchased csw f1 rim 04/08/14 my question is approximately when will you send me a pre order mail for new base?a month or two?am i second priority turn for new base pre order? i also will buy carbon f1 rim and v2 pedals too with new base...thanks your answer...

Thomas's posts states that emails will be coming in waves over the next few months and that they will send out emails when the products are available for shipping, around end of September or early October.

So David, I think you'll need to wait about 2 to 4 weeks for the first emails to start to come out, but you should have your base by October.

I think this is a very clever solution to an f'd up situation thanks to Microsoft and Sony Although potentially expensive. 600euro for the base, minimum 80euro for pedals and then at a guess 180euro+ each for an xbox one rim AND a PS4 rim. But I guess we will all probably buy it right! That thing is sexy!!!

Thomas, my account history page is missing lots of my purchases As you hopefully know I pre-ordered the CSR Elite wheel day one it was available same with CSS SQ and even the PWTS. I also ordered from you CSP and CSL Seat

Is anyone else confused by the usage of direct drive, belt driven, and gear ratio all in the same spec announcement? Is the V2 direct drive or not? If I'm reading it correctly, it seems it's a brushless servo motor using a gear box to increase torque with a belt system to connect it to the wheel shaft. Anyone else get this?

Very Nice product!I've Been with fanatec since the 911 turbo S + CSP in 2010. Then the GT2 wheel in 2011 and the CSR wheel + CSR elite pedal same year. I've purchase also a 2nd hand elite wheel. So I'm hope having an invitation code.Please let us Know the next gen compatibility asap

Is anyone else confused by the usage of direct drive, belt driven, and gear ratio all in the same spec announcement? Is the V2 direct drive or not? If I'm reading it correctly, it seems it's a brushless servo motor using a gear box to increase torque with a belt system to connect it to the wheel shaft. Anyone else get this?

Agreed. The description seems pretty clear that there's belts involved, but the use of "direct drive" confuses things. I think the claim is that it has the "smoothness, vividness and precision of a Direct Drive wheel combined with a torque increase of about 75%," but it doesn't say the base is a direct drive base.

I'd like to see a video of its internals in action. That would clear up a lot of questions.

I have one question. Is there a plan to provide an upgrade package for the CSWB V1 so we can just swap the internals (and back cover as it seems) with the new ones?

My wheel is freshly out of warranty, if i'm not mistaken, and I'm more than capable of doing it myself (experience with R/C racing pays of in this case ). I might upgrade it that way but I don't see myself spending another 500€ when my wheel is still running like new.

if you want to buy a new car and trade in the old one then the dealer pays you about 10-20% less the market value for the old one so he can also earn some money on it because selling a used car is also an effort.

Selling a base on ebay is easy and I expect prices to be stable as the V1 is far more attractive than many other wheels out there.

Thomas I will be keeping my old old base for spare. I bought the elite, then CSW and just sitting here waiting for email with money in hand.

Thank youAt least you get the 100,- pre-order discount and this is the best we can do.

Well, I'm in the second group of people having bought the CSPV2. Cannot wait till I get that e-mail! I bought the TX wheel recently and it continually overheated and shut down. Took it back, got a full refund and have the $$ sitting there waiting and hoping for this exact announcement. =D hope the base lives up to the hype.

Thank you Fanatec, I feel the same way about this company as I do about another great German product manufacture BMW. I have own BMY products since my very firts car, they both produce a product that is more of an experince, an emotion you get when behind the wheel. This is why Fanatic will be my choice of Sim periphrial from here out. Just want to say, great job, cant wait to get my hands on this.

Thank you Fanatec, I feel the same way aboutthis company as I do about another great German product manufacture BMW. I haveown BMY products since my very first car, they both produce a product that ismore of an experience, an emotion you get when behind the wheel. This is whyFanatic will be my choice of Sim peripherals from here out. Just want to say,great job, can’t wait to get my hands on this.

Can you please send me an invite of the CSW Base V2. I am a past customer of Fanatec US and you can see it on my records here. I just want to have one before my birthday and I know I am not asking too much.

We are all waiting! I read and read again the presentation page of the CSW BV2 and check my inbox mail every minute. I do not know what are the delay for the waves of emails. Having bought my CSRE in november 2011, I hope I will receive an invitation code very soon. (It is not at all a question to you Thomas, I know your process is well established). We have just to wait... Hours seems like days8->

The day has come and I am proud to show you the brand new ClubSport Wheel Base V2.

waiting for my email

Although it looks familiar to you it has almost no part which has not been modified or replaced to make it a better base.

Our focus was durability, durability, durability and then performance. And while we made a radical re-design, we decided to make an offer nobody can refuse.

The smoothness, vividness and precision of a Direct Drive wheel combined with a torque increase of about 75% and (optional) compatibility to the latest gaming consoles. And all that with a moderate price increase.

Here are the details:

7 Ultra Precise

We replaced the optical sensor with two magnetic high resolution hall sensors mounted on both the motor and the steering axis. The new sensors have double the resolution and the magnetic sensore are less vulnerable to dust or scratched code discs.

6 Smoothastic

The cogging of this system cannot be felt by a human anymore. It is incredible smooth and feels natural and realistic. It is on par or better with the best and most expensive wheel out there although those wheels costs a multiple of the CSW B V2.

Every little bump can be felt and effects which were filtered by the wheel mechanics can now be felt. Your racing simulations will feel different and new to you.

5 Rock Solid

Our focus was to achieve high durability even for hardcore users.• Improved QR release with rubber o-ring and less tolerance in production• A brushless motor which can be cooled much easier as it gets hot on the outside and not on the inside so heat can be transfered better• New cooling system featuring an additional fan on the backside right behind the new huge heat sink• Integrated heat sensor inside the motor• Motor can now even be operated at 180 C° although the FOR overclocking would be de-activated already at 120 C° and FF would shut down at 130°C. The motor has plenty of power so most people will not use max settings anyway. And during betatests it never happened that a motor was shut down or the FF was cut due to overheating.• Ball bearings on the motor axis and bigger ball bearings inside the pulleys so we can increase the belt tension and avoid any belt slip. At the same time we have much less drag in the system.• Magnetic sensors instead of the optical so we avoid problems with dust and scratches• New main cable• New electronics• And many other small improvements to the overall build quality

4 Power. A lot.

The new motor is custom designed and exclusive to Fanatec. Although the gear ratio has been changed to increase the rotation speed, it delivers about 75% more torque than the CSW B V1. This means over 7 NM of sheer power and this is enough to use even heavy rims with no disadvantages. The size of the power supply has also increased in order to feed the big motor.

3 Brushless Servo

A brushless servo motor is currently state-of-the-art for force feedback systems and in principle this is exactly the same motor as the most expensive direct drive base units out there. • Smooth performance with no cogging (in combination with our Poly-V belt drive system or direct drive)• Easier to cool as the heat is on the outside of the motor and not on the motor shaft• Strong axis with ball bearings• Optimized for use in stall at max power• Fast acceleration• More efficiency -> more torque with same power

We had to develop entire new electronics for that motor as the motor driver is quite complex. Now that it is done we can easily use it for smaller brushless motors or a direct drive wheel.

2 Next Generation

The ClubSport Wheel Base V2 is the next generation of ourwheel base but there is also a strong demand of wheels for “Next-Gen” consoles. People were asking us to make their wheels compatible to the Xbox One and Playstation 4 but if we want to make it official and legal then we need to follow the rules of the console makers and they clearly do not allow that.

So how can we make a product where there is a chance that the customer can keep at least most of the equipment he purchased? We can easily make the pedals, shifters and handbrake compatible and this is what we did but what about the base unit?

And how can we make a product multi-platform compatible if we can only get approval for a license if the product has only the symbols of either one console on it?

We came up with an idea which brings modularity to a whole new level and protects your investment. If you play on PC then just go ahead and purchase the wheel base as it is and you will not be bothered with symbols which might hurt your eye.

But if you want to enjoy the painless simplicity of a console with its great exclusive racing simulations then you will get the option to buy an optional steering wheel which will add full console compatibility to this base.

We want to achieve compatibility to both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 and we are happy to announce that we already signed a contract with one of them. We will announce this product at the end of this year.

There will be multiple steering wheels available in different price ranges and they will compatible to several Fanatec base units from mid-range to direct drive.

1 By Invitation Only

The great response we get from our beta testers lead us to the conclusion that the demand for this product will be much bigger than the supply. Production output will be lower as before as we spend even more time on quality control and testing.

At the same time we want to honor the loyalty of our existing customers and want to offer a special pre-order discount for the owners of the current ClubSport and CSR Elite base so that they can enjoy a little upgrade advantage.

This is how it works:• We will send an e-mail to our webshop customers with an invite code. There will be several waves of e-mails in the next months. • Only after you entered the code to your profile page you will be able to purchase or pre-order this product• After you purchased one V2 base you will receive a second code. You can give that to a friend or buy a second base. • Only one code will be given with a purchase as we want to avoid that people are selling their products or invites on eBay and make money with it.• We will also give away invites in giveaway events so frequent followers of the blog or Facebook will also get a chance to get an invite

This is the priority we will use for the invites to make it as fair and transparent as possible.1. Webshop customers of the CSW B V1 and CSR E (sorted by purchase date)2. Webshop customers of other ClubSport products like CSP or CSS3. All other Fanatec customers

Of course we will treat all territories with the same priority.

Not every customer will use his invite so go ahead and ask your friends if they use their invite of if they give it to you in case you are not on the list yet. It is possible and welcome to transfer invite codes.

Please do not ask our sales team for invites. They are not authorized to give out codes anyway. If it is your turn then you will get an e-mail. We will open a thread in our forum which explains more details and where you can also ask for invites from other members.

By the way, all lucky customers who placed a pre-order for the old V1 base just got a free upgrade to V2 and they are the first to receive the new product.

The Price

Pre-order price:EU: 499,95USA: 499,95AUS: 655J: 65.000

Regular price:EU: 599,95USA: 599,95AUS: 785J: 78.000

Prices are calculated different in the regions depending on taxes, laws, logistic costs and other local costs.

Availability

We started production this week and as soon as we start shipping, we will open the pre-orders for the invited guests. The first products should arrive at the end of September or early October.

Well, I'm in the second group of people having bought the CSPV2. Cannot wait till I get that e-mail! I bought the TX wheel recently and it continually overheated and shut down. Took it back, got a full refund and have the $$ sitting there waiting and hoping for this exact announcement. =D hope the base lives up to the hype.

Interesting about the TX problems. However while there may be nothing fool proof as far as possible defects from factory I see these upgrades as addressing the main issues with the v1 base and yes I agree with Thomas that we will see more durability in the v2