Not exactly Dark Tower related, but my son was born today and since I'm a big fan (yooge!) we named him Roland Deschain after my favorite fictional character. The fact that it's the 19th today did not escape my attention.

caruso_stalker217 wrote:Not exactly Dark Tower related, but my son was born today and since I'm a big fan (yooge!) we named him Roland Deschain after my favorite fictional character. The fact that it's the 19th today did not escape my attention.

HEY CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's awesome news, Caruso, and is the best name ever. Nice work. Since you wont be sleeping for a few months you should start re-reading the whole series.

caruso_stalker217 wrote:Not exactly Dark Tower related, but my son was born today and since I'm a big fan (yooge!) we named him Roland Deschain after my favorite fictional character. The fact that it's the 19th today did not escape my attention.

caruso_stalker217 wrote:Not exactly Dark Tower related, but my son was born today and since I'm a big fan (yooge!) we named him Roland Deschain after my favorite fictional character. The fact that it's the 19th today did not escape my attention.

HEY CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's awesome news, Caruso, and is the best name ever. Nice work. Since you wont be sleeping for a few months you should start re-reading the whole series.

Put McConnaghey as Roland and Elba as Mwrtin/Man in Black/Flagg and I'd be happy as could be. But Elba as Roland is just wrong. First, he doesn't look at all like Eastwood. Second, it would ruin the entire relationship between Roland and Detta.

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Fievel wrote:Put McConnaghey as Roland and Elba as Mwrtin/Man in Black/Flagg and I'd be happy as could be. But Elba as Roland is just wrong. First, he doesn't look at all like Eastwood. Second, it would ruin the entire relationship between Roland and Detta.

And some different stuff going on wandering the streets of New York (in any of the decades he does) and having run-ins with the po-po.

He'd be fine though. The gunslingers of that world have become studly, and lax.

Fievel wrote:Put McConnaghey as Roland and Elba as Mwrtin/Man in Black/Flagg and I'd be happy as could be. But Elba as Roland is just wrong. First, he doesn't look at all like Eastwood. Second, it would ruin the entire relationship between Roland and Detta.

Fievel wrote:Put McConnaghey as Roland and Elba as Mwrtin/Man in Black/Flagg and I'd be happy as could be. But Elba as Roland is just wrong. First, he doesn't look at all like Eastwood. Second, it would ruin the entire relationship between Roland and Detta.

they can always make Detta Korean.

No..... because then she's always be trying to eat Oy!

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I think the casting of Elba if it goes forward will be used as a way to justify changes to the story, like the alternate timeline in Abrams' Trek.

Which is fair enough--there'll have to be changes. That goes without saying on any project, but especially this one as it gets into the meta-aspects of the later books.

I guess they could go super literal and have the movie characters realize that they're characters in a book... which they're not... but I'm excited by the idea of not knowing what's going to happen all the way through. This is a whole different turning of ka's wheel.

This is like when Halloran took the axe to chest, and you knew The Shining wasn't gonna end the same. They're putting the axe into white Roland NOW.

I was excited about this project, then dubious, then wrote it off, then kinda excited again, and then I didn't care anymore.

I've come around to the idea that The Dark Tower isn't adaptable in any satisfying way. It isn't about Elba or any of the other casting, it's about how deliciously bizarre much of this story is, and how completely it must be synthesized, shortened, dumbed down and mass produced to make it to screen. I have 0 faith at this point that this is adaptable. This is one of those projects that is a lot more fun to talk and speculate about than to actually watch.

By doing this, I can divorce myself of the source material and maybe the film(s)/TV shows will be enjoyable without the comparison. It happened for me with World War Z and some other things. And if it happens to be fun it will be a nice surprise. But regardless, I don't think it will be The Dark Tower as I know it.

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I was excited about this project, then dubious, then wrote it off, then kinda excited again, and then I didn't care anymore.

I've come around to the idea that The Dark Tower isn't adaptable in any satisfying way. It isn't about Elba or any of the other casting, it's about how deliciously bizarre much of this story is, and how completely it must be synthesized, shortened, dumbed down and mass produced to make it to screen. I have 0 faith at this point that this is adaptable. This is one of those projects that is a lot more fun to talk and speculate about than to actually watch.

By doing this, I can divorce myself of the source material and maybe the film(s)/TV shows will be enjoyable without the comparison. It happened for me with World War Z and some other things. And if it happens to be fun it will be a nice surprise. But regardless, I don't think it will be The Dark Tower as I know it.

I feel the same way. It'll be fun because I enjoy the story and also because it'll be fun to see how others interpret it.

Sometimes the noblest thing an adaptor can do is acknowledge the impossibility of the task through what they're doing.

One of my favourite novels of all time is Leonard Cohen's "Beautiful Losers." Written in 1964, and still no one has dared put it to film. But local performance company One Yellow Rabbit attempted a stage adaptation...

Ultimately it became a piece called "Doing Leonard Cohen," where the first act was dance interpretations of a variety of his songs, and Act Two was an adaptation of maybe the first two-thirds of "Beautiful Losers," done in such a way that it didn't feel cut-off or abrupt.

Technically they left out the "best" parts of the book, but I think they realized through their process that there was little they could do with those more esoteric sections on stage, without detracting from their original power and end up just faffing about. They had enough respect for and understanding of the book to know when to quit.

I had a great time at the theatre, having had a new experience with these artists who loved the book as much as me. And I left happy that my memories of my experience with the book felt unmolested by a third party, trying to recreate those personal moments and tie themselves up with them forever.

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I was excited about this project, then dubious, then wrote it off, then kinda excited again, and then I didn't care anymore.

I've come around to the idea that The Dark Tower isn't adaptable in any satisfying way. It isn't about Elba or any of the other casting, it's about how deliciously bizarre much of this story is, and how completely it must be synthesized, shortened, dumbed down and mass produced to make it to screen. I have 0 faith at this point that this is adaptable. This is one of those projects that is a lot more fun to talk and speculate about than to actually watch.

By doing this, I can divorce myself of the source material and maybe the film(s)/TV shows will be enjoyable without the comparison. It happened for me with World War Z and some other things. And if it happens to be fun it will be a nice surprise. But regardless, I don't think it will be The Dark Tower as I know it.

I feel the same way. It'll be fun because I enjoy the story and also because it'll be fun to see how others interpret it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I can't imagine any "fun" to be had with a Dark Tower adaptation. I don't believe there is any way to do the story justice, or any way to actually adapt it without a complete overhaul which makes me wonder how much of the original story (and most importantly the characters) would even be left. Plus, there's no way in hell this ever gets an R-rating which might not mean much to a lot of people but is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.

I've been a fan of the series ever since I took my first crack at The Gunslinger when I was eight. I am a Dark Tower purist. This is my Lord of the Rings. I'm the guy sitting in the aisle seat, fourth row who stands up after the movie is over and yells "WHERE THE FUCK WAS TOM BOMBADIL??"

There is basically no fucking way I'm going to enjoy this thing, no matter how well it's made or how noble the filmmakers' intentions are.

I doubt they're going to adapt this very faithfully. Most people have never read these books. Hell, most people have never heard of these books. Their best bet is to water this down as much as they can to reach the widest audience possible. They certainly don't care what someone like me thinks. It doesn't matter if I sit this one out. I'm a drop in the bucket and my opinion doesn't matter at all. And shit, I'll probably end up watching it anyway just out of morbid curiosity, so they might as well just make this Dark Tower-in-name-only.

look at the bright side. by the time this thing actually gets made, your son will probably be old enough that they'll cast HIM as Roland. and by then you'll be so old and senile you'll actually think it's a good movie.

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I was excited about this project, then dubious, then wrote it off, then kinda excited again, and then I didn't care anymore.

I've come around to the idea that The Dark Tower isn't adaptable in any satisfying way. It isn't about Elba or any of the other casting, it's about how deliciously bizarre much of this story is, and how completely it must be synthesized, shortened, dumbed down and mass produced to make it to screen. I have 0 faith at this point that this is adaptable. This is one of those projects that is a lot more fun to talk and speculate about than to actually watch.

By doing this, I can divorce myself of the source material and maybe the film(s)/TV shows will be enjoyable without the comparison. It happened for me with World War Z and some other things. And if it happens to be fun it will be a nice surprise. But regardless, I don't think it will be The Dark Tower as I know it.

I feel the same way. It'll be fun because I enjoy the story and also because it'll be fun to see how others interpret it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I can't imagine any "fun" to be had with a Dark Tower adaptation. I don't believe there is any way to do the story justice, or any way to actually adapt it without a complete overhaul which makes me wonder how much of the original story (and most importantly the characters) would even be left. Plus, there's no way in hell this ever gets an R-rating which might not mean much to a lot of people but is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.

I've been a fan of the series ever since I took my first crack at The Gunslinger when I was eight. I am a Dark Tower purist. This is my Lord of the Rings. I'm the guy sitting in the aisle seat, fourth row who stands up after the movie is over and yells "WHERE THE FUCK WAS TOM BOMBADIL??"

There is basically no fucking way I'm going to enjoy this thing, no matter how well it's made or how noble the filmmakers' intentions are.

I doubt they're going to adapt this very faithfully. Most people have never read these books. Hell, most people have never heard of these books. Their best bet is to water this down as much as they can to reach the widest audience possible. They certainly don't care what someone like me thinks. It doesn't matter if I sit this one out. I'm a drop in the bucket and my opinion doesn't matter at all. And shit, I'll probably end up watching it anyway just out of morbid curiosity, so they might as well just make this Dark Tower-in-name-only.

Lord Voldemoo wrote:I was excited about this project, then dubious, then wrote it off, then kinda excited again, and then I didn't care anymore.

I've come around to the idea that The Dark Tower isn't adaptable in any satisfying way. It isn't about Elba or any of the other casting, it's about how deliciously bizarre much of this story is, and how completely it must be synthesized, shortened, dumbed down and mass produced to make it to screen. I have 0 faith at this point that this is adaptable. This is one of those projects that is a lot more fun to talk and speculate about than to actually watch.

By doing this, I can divorce myself of the source material and maybe the film(s)/TV shows will be enjoyable without the comparison. It happened for me with World War Z and some other things. And if it happens to be fun it will be a nice surprise. But regardless, I don't think it will be The Dark Tower as I know it.

I feel the same way. It'll be fun because I enjoy the story and also because it'll be fun to see how others interpret it.

Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I can't imagine any "fun" to be had with a Dark Tower adaptation. I don't believe there is any way to do the story justice, or any way to actually adapt it without a complete overhaul which makes me wonder how much of the original story (and most importantly the characters) would even be left. Plus, there's no way in hell this ever gets an R-rating which might not mean much to a lot of people but is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.

I've been a fan of the series ever since I took my first crack at The Gunslinger when I was eight. I am a Dark Tower purist. This is my Lord of the Rings. I'm the guy sitting in the aisle seat, fourth row who stands up after the movie is over and yells "WHERE THE FUCK WAS TOM BOMBADIL??"

There is basically no fucking way I'm going to enjoy this thing, no matter how well it's made or how noble the filmmakers' intentions are.

I doubt they're going to adapt this very faithfully. Most people have never read these books. Hell, most people have never heard of these books. Their best bet is to water this down as much as they can to reach the widest audience possible. They certainly don't care what someone like me thinks. It doesn't matter if I sit this one out. I'm a drop in the bucket and my opinion doesn't matter at all. And shit, I'll probably end up watching it anyway just out of morbid curiosity, so they might as well just make this Dark Tower-in-name-only.

What do you think of Idris being cast?

I like him, but not for this.

I'm more interested in the "Babylon 5" guy he's playing in STAR TREK AGAIN.

look at it this way.... whatever this project is, it's not the dark tower. it's something new, different, and as best i can tell, completely unrelated to the dark tower series in any way. all they need is a new title, something like The Cark Tower, to properly set it apart and put it in context

I'm beyond curious to know what the deal is with this casting and Tirana character. I've done the whole series twice and still had to look up the character. I do not remember her at all. Maybe they're going to make her a play toy for The Man In Black? A Harley Quinn to his Joker? I just don't get it.

i'm trying to keep an open mind. i'm going into this thing pretty much the same way as i did for the Hobbit: it might be great, it might be terrible, it might fall somewhere in between, but whatever this ends up being, i'm pretty sure it won't be The Dark Tower. let's just hope things turn out better than they did for Hobbit.

i guess it helps that i'm not a huge DT fan. i've read the whole series through, once. never read the comics or spin-offs, still haven't read wind and the keyhole. so i can roll with some changes pretty easily.

I'm just having fun watching the internet blow up at black Roland. I can't help but think of the scene from Lethal Weapon 2...... but imagine the dialogue being changed to "Listen to the fans.... Idris Elba can't be Roland........ because he's black."

Fuck 'em. Elba's gonna crush it. They're going to rework the story so there's plenty of new things happening between Roland and Detta. It'll be new, no one will know what's coming.

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With that hack onboard I'm keeping my expectations where they belong. In the fucking basement.

His draft is done and apparently revised, says Quint:

Arcel said that a good amount of the movie will take place in our world, which set off warning bells in my head. Not because it's a bad idea, but that's what Akiva Goldsman's draft did. Sure enough, later in the interview they state that Goldsman's script became the foundation for this new film.

The word I've heard is that there was a heavy, heavy rewrite when Arcel came on (and it needed it), but it sounds like the structure of Goldsman's draft has remained intact. I have read Goldman's script and maybe I'll do a more in-depth review soon... not necessarily a spoiler-filled transcription of what happens in it, but more a walk through of my fears and doubts about what could be brought over.

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Interesting news. -I love Vikings, and she's pretty good in the show. -who will she play in the Dark Tower? Race-reversal continuing with her as Odetta/Detta/Susannah? I actually hope this is the plan. Seems much too old for Susan. Roland's mom?

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