Hi all community, i was thinking about which one of those 2h Weapons will be better for DPS Dk Frost.

1k STR + Expertise vs +2ks Weapon Dmg + Haste.

Thx a lot!

PS: I dont have the luck of any drop (LFR or Normal mode) for the sword, so i dont know how to check the amount of dps out with Starshatter against the Pole with my actually stuff.
PS2: I cant link the items from wowhead cos id never made an account here before xD.

I think this is the third or fourth thread on this, please use search.

But try to load your char into askmrrobot.com and see what it says.

He said for dps, don't think its been discussed for dps. Personally i'm not too sure as the higher weapon damage and better stats *could* make it better, but yea, as he said, use askmrrobot or another sim to check.

I don't think it has raid buffs but just about everything else, I don't really see that it would matter much anyway.

The problem comes when we are talking about the difference between STR and Weapon dmg, cos with Pillar of frost for example, Kings, or Fallen Crusader, you will get a STR Bonus an improve of this will make you hit stronger, thats because i was asking about the buffs and procs into the raid refering about this webs.

Honestly, I think Starshatter would come out ahead with Kings/Pillar/Meta gem. This is also depending on what you reforge, etc. Also depending on what your gear is at, and what your stat weights come out to be.

I would just get simcraft, and create two profiles in CharDev, and just run those.

Honestly, I think Starshatter would come out ahead with Kings/Pillar/Meta gem. This is also depending on what you reforge, etc. Also depending on what your gear is at, and what your stat weights come out to be.

I would just get simcraft, and create two profiles in CharDev, and just run those.

Admittedly, the MAX damage of the sword is less than the MAX damage of the Polearm, but if you know of a way to always swing with Max damage, then please share.
However, in terms of Min. damage, the sword is better because of strength.

Especially now with upgrades. Since upgrading increases the damage numbers equally (at first level, min damage goes up by 500 for both sword and spear), then the increase to strength also pushes the sword further ahead.

Mastery
Screaming Tiger provides 871 Mastery which is 1.45. This comes out to 2.9 (we'll say 3) so 6% bonus damage.
Reforging out of Exp into Mast gives the sword 224 Mastery which is about .37. this comes out to 0.75 so 1.5% bonus damage.

Granted, for mastery, the polearm gives you a bonus 4.5% damage, but reforging other gear should be able to get around this. Moreover, this only applies to Howling Blast and Frost Strike, both of which are below Obliterate.

I haven't actually run sims, but this what makes me think that SS would be better.

TL;DR
All the bonuses you get from the polearm are either miniscule (crit) or don't work on our main ability (mastery) or are RNG based and not guarantee (Max damage)

I haven't actually run sims, but this what makes me think that SS would be better.

TL;DR
All the bonuses you get from the polearm are either miniscule (crit) or don't work on our main ability (mastery) or are RNG based and not guarantee (Max damage)

Run sims. Your napkin math isn't really accurate or correct. It uses the right formulas but doesn't show understanding of how they should be applied to the situation at hand. Splitting up the calculations into trying to determine the worth of the weapon when isolating it doesn't make much sense. Compare your stats with weapon 1 vs. your stats with weapon 2, that's the only way to check which weapon is really better.

If you'd want a quick and dirty comparison, try this: "how much % of your total strength do you get from your weapon" vs. "how much % of average weapon damage increase is the change"

Also, when comparing weapon damage compare the average damage, not min/max dmg unless you wanna try a lucky max-dps-parse in which you want highest max dmg and pray for only hitting with max dmg

Napkin math sucks for minuscule stuff, use a sim to compare. It's more accurate and gets the result faster.

Run sims. Your napkin math isn't really accurate or correct. It uses the right formulas but doesn't show understanding of how they should be applied to the situation at hand. Splitting up the calculations into trying to determine the worth of the weapon when isolating it doesn't make much sense. Compare your stats with weapon 1 vs. your stats with weapon 2, that's the only way to check which weapon is really better.

If you'd want a quick and dirty comparison, try this: "how much % of your total strength do you get from your weapon" vs. "how much % of average weapon damage increase is the change"

Also, when comparing weapon damage compare the average damage, not min/max dmg unless you wanna try a lucky max-dps-parse in which you want highest max dmg and pray for only hitting with max dmg

Napkin math sucks for minuscule stuff, use a sim to compare. It's more accurate and gets the result faster.