Hi to all Romanians here I'm a true lover of facts And I know a history...
North Bukovina was under control of Romanian government for many years. But is this mean that Ukrainians didn't live in this territory in those times?

Map based on the Romania's demographic situation in 1930. It's a pro-Romanian data Moldovans is shown just like Romanians. But as we can see all territories, which belong today to Ukraine, settled mostly by Ukrainians!
So... Are you know a history or you just talk ?!

There are Hungarian majorities in some Romania's counties (Harghita - 84%; Covasna - 73% ets) and this territory was under Hungarian control for many years. Maybe it's just Hungarian land?! What is your opinion?

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Originally Posted by Porolissensis

Ukrainians in Romania have schools and churches in their mother tongue as far as I know. Do Romanians in Ukraine(I don't think Bukovina is a very explicit term since is split between Romania and Ukraine) have that? What else do they have?

As a personal observation, I've noticed that everyone in Eastern Europe has the impresion that their coethnics in the neighbouring countries have less rights then minorities in their own country.

We have:
- 0.3% of Ukraine's population is Romanians;
- 0.3% of Romanian's population is Ukrainians.

There are 70+ Romanian schools in Chernivtsi Oblast (North Bykovina). Also there are some schools in Odesa and Zakarpattia Oblasts. So, we have more then 100 Romanian schools in Ukraine.

And how many Ukrainian schools we have in Romania? Only 2?
Also there are lessons of Ukrainian language in 10+ Romanian schools...

So... Maybe the situation in Ukraine isn't so bad?

Also...

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Originally Posted by war54

de "compensatii",

Oh... What a nice emperor you are... As I know many Hungarians think that "Transilvania is a Hungarian land". I'm sure that just right now those emperors think: "We must take Buharest! It's a "compensatii""

OceanEyed, you simply forget that both the if the population exchanges which the austirans and the soviets made

Since you belive in the Moldovan nation, it means that there's also a separate Rusyn nation and obviously a lemko nation, a separate Hustul nation.
You seem to forget that East of the Dnister there's still a regime where the hammer and sickle dominate. The same hammer and sickle that gave you teritorial without you dropping blood for it!

Hungarians at least were always honest, they never did this kind of crap!

Since you belive in the Moldovan nation, it means that there's also a separate Rusyn nation and obviously a lemko nation, a separate Hustul nation.

I don't need to believe in anything I'm openminded and I've the information
The rusyn, lemko and hutsul people use dialects of the Ukrainian language. The moldovan people use a dialect of the Romanian language(also Russian). The difference is: according to the Ukrainian Population Census(based on self-detection) results the absolute majority of rusyns, lemkos and hutsul detected themselves as the part of the Ukrainian nation; Moldova also had a census, but most of Moldova's population(especialy in Transnistria) detect themselves as Moldovans.
Also... what do you think about Austrians and Australians? Do those nations exist?
I'm not really interested in the situation, but if those people detect themselves as Moldovans and you detect them as Romanians... Who are more right?

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Originally Posted by IchLiebeDachau

OceanEyed, you simply forget that both the if the population exchanges which the austirans and the soviets made
You seem to forget that East of the Dnister there's still a regime where the hammer and sickle dominate. The same hammer and sickle that gave you teritorial without you dropping blood for it!
Hungarians at least were always honest, they never did this kind of crap!

Austrians cared about Ukrainians?! This is something new Can you show me some Austrian data about that? Because I know that Austrians cared only about Austrians and Germans(Romanians cared about Romanians; Ukrainians cared about Ukrainians ets). In those times Chernivci was a German-speaking city with German and jewish majority, but Ukrainians lived in the countyside.

Soviets?! Are you joking with me? Please, look at the map in my previous post again! It's the Romanian data from 1930 and all territories, which belong today to Ukraine, settled mostly by Ukrainians Soviets occupied those territories only in 1940, so what are you talking about?

So have you any arguments why territories like Bucovina must be Romanian, except "My country must be bigger!"?

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Originally Posted by IchLiebeDachau

The same hammer and sickle that gave you teritorial without you dropping blood for it!

Oceaneyed, I heard that at one time "ruthenians" wanted to make an independent Transcarpathia. Hypothetically this would be made, even if, obviously, with russian support. What would that mean, that there's a different rusyn nation?

You seem to forget the soviet policies to russify and divide nations. Not something new, right? (at least you recognized that "moldovan" and romanian are the same).

As far as the Ukrainians that died in WWII, did they die for the borderlands or for the Soviet Union? Million dollar question

Oceaneyed, I heard that at one time "ruthenians" wanted to make an independent Transcarpathia. Hypothetically this would be made, even if, obviously, with russian support. What would that mean, that there's a different rusyn nation?

If you talking about WW1 period... Yes, they wanted to make a state interpendent from Slovakia and Hungary.
If you talking about present time... As I already said there are ~2 000 people who detected themselves as Rusyns(nationality, not an ethnic group) in Transkarpatia. Also there are ~1 000 000 people who detected themselves as Ukrainians. And if you don't want to hear me you always can visit Transkarpatia and try to hear those people

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Originally Posted by IchLiebeDachau

You seem to forget the soviet policies to russify and divide nations. Not something new, right? (at least you recognized that "moldovan" and romanian are the same).

What do you want to hear about Russification from me? When Romania occupied Bucovina and South Besarabia in ~1920, how many Ukrainian schools was opened?
Do I support the Russification? NO!

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Originally Posted by IchLiebeDachau

As far as the Ukrainians that died in WWII, did they die for the borderlands or for the Soviet Union? Million dollar question

Do you know the history?
Romania was a friend of Germany in those times. And Hitler didn't like Slavs In his view, the proper work for the German race was colonization and Ukrainians would be Germanized or killed
So, do you really think that they fight only for the Soviet Union? What will you do when enemies attack your motherland?

Now please answer to my question. Why Bucovina and South Bessarabia must belong to Romania(let's forget about Moldova)? Or you disagree with this opinion? Cheers

I know for a fact that Proud Romanians/Dacians will always marry the same kind where ever they are in the universe and no outsider ever tells us how our own history written down. OCEANBLINDEYE i disagree with you a lot i smell bolshevism info and we all know there info haha "hint hint nudge nudge"
Just like a proud jew will marry a jew.

I know for a fact that Proud Romanians/Dacians will always marry the same kind where ever they are in the universe and no outsider ever tells us how our own history written down. OCEANBLINDEYE i disagree with you a lot i smell bolshevism info and we all know there info haha "hint hint nudge nudge"
Just like a proud jew will marry a jew.
Lead by example.

Oh... Can we speak without insulting?

Disagree? Ok, but why without an argumentation?
What "bloshevism info" do you mean? I'm posted the romanian map. But maybe you have some better information... Maybe you can prove that those territories had the romanian majority in 1930... or in 1910... or in 1800... or... whatever...

I'll be waiting

P.S. And please don't forget that I can prove that some Transilvanian territories have the hungarian majority in 2009... or in 1950... or in 1930... or in 1910... or in 1800... And I think that those territories are belonging to Romania today. Hope you agree? Or I must change my opinion?

Find out what Dacia is all about and then try to ask me those questions of yours.

Dacian Pride.

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Originally Posted by OceanEyed

Oh... Can we speak without insulting?

Disagree? Ok, but why without an argumentation?
What "bloshevism info" do you mean? I'm posted the romanian map. But maybe you have some better information... Maybe you can prove that those territories had the romanian majority in 1930... or in 1910... or in 1800... or... whatever...

I'll be waiting

P.S. And please don't forget that I can prove that some Transilvanian territories have the hungarian majority in 2009... or in 1950... or in 1930... or in 1910... or in 1800... And I think that those territories are belonging to Romania today. Hope you agree? Or I must change my opinion?

Find out what Dacia is all about and then try to ask me those questions of yours.

Dacian Pride.

I did it
And? As I already said... Ukrainian territories were under control of many empires: russian, polish, austrian, hungarian, romanian, osmanian... and dacian So what?
Romania was under control of Austria by many years. Do it means that all people were Austrians?

Also... It was many many many many years ago... Maybe all lands of Roman Empire must belong to Italy? Including some "dacian" lands, as I know