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As an example, here is 100 pages' worth of discussion of Ama's prediction that the 2012 Summer Olympics would not be held because a very short World War III would happen before or during, killing 2/3 (or so) of the world population. I don't recall either of those happening, do you?

And just to short-circuit complaints, note that PeaceCrusader will manually timestamp each of his posts, and if he quotes someone, will manually add the username and post number as well. He will not answer any questions about this.

He (singular) will also note that we (plural) is plural every time he (singular) uses the word.

Fred

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I'd like to hear PeaceCrusader explain why he lied to the members of this forum when he said that he would denounce Ka Apaz/"Ama" as a false prophet if the London Olympic Games prophecy failed, why he lied again after that failure saying he would stop discussing Ama's prophecies, and why after that debacle we should take anything else that he or Ama says seriously.

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We can discuss here the prophecies of the spirit of Ama that have happened, are happening, or conceived to have not happened at all.

There you go. Everything that you say that this stupid old crone supposedly said is false prophesy, and none of it has ever happened, including WWIII, your beautiful free house, ten wives, schools up the road and the Zoo that everyone could visit (providing that all the animals were kept inside for three days and nights after the war started.
7 Billion people are still alive that you wished dead.

OK. There is a sinister attempt going on right here and now to disavow what was previously espoused, by dint of a divide and conquer methodology.

PC fervently hopes that all will forget the failures of all previous threads by focussing on the minutia of the current point of discussion.

I cry foul. When each of the crackpot theories is presented in toto, one might wonder about the mindset, but it is easy to present in teeny weeny bits, and have everyone arguing about aspects of the minutiae.

Well, blow that. When one considers the body of work as a whole, one will find a whole pile.

Without further ado, here is a list of claims(with links to the OP's).

Consider them well.

This is from approx the first 25% of the first 2012 thread, yet has not reached the worst claims yet.

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I'd like to hear PeaceCrusader explain why he lied to the members of this forum when he said that he would denounce Ka Apaz/"Ama" as a false prophet if the London Olympic Games prophecy failed, why he lied again after that failure saying he would stop discussing Ama's prophecies, and why after that debacle we should take anything else that he or Ama says seriously.

Yes please

This forum needs a forced push option when people continue to avoid answers in order to start new threads

Thank you, Foster Zygote, for posting the list of prophecies of Ama prepared by abaddon. The list was posted at the thread “The crucifixion of Jesus”. The mod may not like that we go off-topic in that thread so I opened this new one where we can discuss the topic properly.

1. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.
2. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.
3. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.
4. Not Ama’s prophecy. I mentioned this before. Judge Floro consults dwarves. Their names are Luis, Armand, and Angel. I consult a spirit who we (plural) call Ama, the Filipino word for God the Father when capitalized. I wish to emphasize that the experience of talking to a spirit, tape recorded, is not exclusive to me. Anyone present may talk to Him that is why I say "we (plural)".
5. Ama’s prophecy. Failed. Ama mentioned that the world war would start from the Philippines before (or during) the 2012 Olympic Games (OG) in London on a Wednesday. I gave my interpretations. The OG successfully ended on 08-12 but the tensions at the Spratly Islands remain.
6. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.
7. Ama’s revelations which I first heard in 1983 – May 23 birth and August 17 crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. The crucifixion is being discussed in this Religion and Philosophy forum. Afterwards, the birth will be discussed.
I found the August 17 crucifixion true and correct in my study from 1999 to 2003. The results are in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .
I also found the May 23 birth true and correct in my study from 2004 to 2006. The results are in http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm .
8. I said this. I also said to pick up what will be good for your soul and discard what is evil. Just because Ama was wrong, do I just discard about Him altogether? No, I will not.
9. Not Ama’s prophecy. I picked out this number from the Holy Bible, Revelation 9:16. It is only now that this can be realized. Only China has this capacity.
10. Ama’s prophecy. Failed. Same as #5.

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Originally Posted by AdMan

I'd like to hear PeaceCrusader explain why he lied to the members of this forum when he said that he would denounce Ka Apaz/"Ama" as a false prophet if the London Olympic Games prophecy failed, why he lied again after that failure saying he would stop discussing Ama's prophecies, and why after that debacle we should take anything else that he or Ama says seriously.

...this...

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But the one's that offer no time deadline can be counted as successes because, of course, they will happen at some point in the future. So we can dismiss trivialities like the failure of WWIII to disrupt the 2012 Olympic Games and focus on the successes such as the assurance that a cat will give birth to a human baby, which we know is true because it hasn't happened yet.

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Thank you, Foster Zygote, for posting the list of prophecies of Ama prepared by abaddon. The list was posted at the thread “The crucifixion of Jesus”. The mod may not like that we go off-topic in that thread so I opened this new one where we can discuss the topic properly.

As I've already explained, your continual citation of Alvaran in support of your claims in the Crucifixion thread makes her past prophetic failures very much on-topic as they establishe her lack of reliability as a source.

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1. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.

2. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.

3. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled.

4. Ama’s prophecy. Failed. Ama mentioned that the world war would start from the Philippines before (or during) the 2012 Olympic Games (OG) in London on a Wednesday. I gave my interpretations. The OG successfully ended on 08-12 but the tensions at the Spratly Islands remain.

4a. Ama’s prophecy. Not yet fulfilled. [Actually, this is a failed prophecy. WWIII did not start during the Olympic Games. The 2/3 dead figure related to the prediction that WWIII would have started months ago.]

Above we have only four actual prophetic statements.

The first three are temporally indefinite. You will cling to them as though they are as good as proved because you can always rely on them to be impossible to disprove. If you lived a thousand years you could still declare that they are simply, as yet, unfulfilled. Prophecies of this nature are useless because it is impossible to test them to establish the reliability of the prophet. However false the prophecy may be, its open-ended nature allows the false prophet to simply claim that it will happen some time in the future.

The fourth prophecy is an unmitigated failure and is all we need to establish Alvaran as a false prophet.

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Just because Ama was wrong, do I just discard about Him altogether? No, I will not.

Then you lied. You said, "If the prophecy fails, then He must be a false god, an impostor". The prophecy did fail. Even the Bible, which you cite as the authoritative word of God, tells you this:

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Deuteronomy 18:21-22 You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a word that the Lord has not spoken?’ If a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.

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I always thought believers were forbidden by scripture from consulting with spirits, mediums, seers or those that channel the dead.

Leviticus 19:31
'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.'

Leviticus 20:27
"Men and women among you who act as mediums or psychics must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense."

Deuteronomy 18:10-13
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 10:13-14
Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

2 Chronicles 33:6
He [King Manasseh] sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, provoking him to anger.

Isaiah 8:19
When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

A good point.
Why do you give a second thought to the utterances of someone who claims to offer mediumship to a select clientele?
PC, you claim this woman becomes possessed by the spirits of the dead- how do you square this with Christianity?

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Originally Posted by Akhenaten

What's to discuss?

Game over.

Yeah, good luck with that...

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I'd like to hear PeaceCrusader explain why he lied to the members of this forum when he said that he would denounce Ka Apaz/"Ama" as a false prophet if the London Olympic Games prophecy failed, why he lied again after that failure saying he would stop discussing Ama's prophecies, and why after that debacle we should take anything else that he or Ama says seriously.

If nothing else, PC has shown us once again that nothing can stand in the way of blind faith. If the complete failure of the Olympic Apocalypse didn't shake him, even after he promised it would, nothing will.

If nothing else, PC has shown us once again that nothing can stand in the way of blind faith. If the complete failure of the Olympic Apocalypse didn't shake him, even after he promised it would, nothing will.

Am I in time to coin the word 'Olympocalypse' and the phrase 'Olympocalyptic Fail'?

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

Am I in time to coin the word 'Olympocalypse' and the phrase 'Olympocalyptic Fail'?

I always wanted to coin something.

With its own musical genre: Olympocalypso! (I wonder how soon Jamaica could host the Games...)

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Hi, PC.
As you see, no-one here believes Maria Liwayway Alvaran channels any spirit at all.
Just out of curiosity, could you post up any articles about her that you've seen in the press?

Actually, even if I were to believe devoutly in the Bible and believe that that woman actually has a spirit that reveals stuff to her, that's someone with a familiar spirit according to the OT. As such, it's something that the OT God REPEATEDLY warns against consulting (or even letting live) and makes threats even against those consulting them, ranging from turning his face from them and separating them from him (i.e., you're going to Hell, dude) to delivering whole nations to their enemies for practicing and allowing that kind of thing.

(I posted a couple of verses about it in the crucifixion thread, so I'm not gonna spam by repeating them verbatim.)

If I were to believe that the bible is the word of God, then the warnings against seeking those who have a spirit telling them stuff, are also the word of God. The idea that God is sending new official information through exactly the people he told you not to seek, is patently absurd.

Furthermore, God said exactly how he'll send information to the prophets. 'Through a dead person's spirit' is not what he said.

The whole notion is as absurd as, dunno, if mommy warned you not to trust people giving candy from the back of their van, and told you not to take any from them, to accept that one of them is giving you new info from mommy. Why would she do that through exactly the persons she told you to avoid?

If I believed that the Bible is the word of God, and some woman is channelling the spirits of the dead, then actually what I'd think God wants me to do is get her stoned. Well, ok, I'm not religious, but I'll get her some weed if she's ever around here

ETA: dang, Tony99 beat me to it. Just shows I should read the whole thread before jumping in to shoot my mouth.

Absolutely.
Maria Liwayway Alvaran is also a faith healer with over 50 years experience and I've asked repeatedly if she's a psychic surgeon.
Does she have experience in exorcism, lifting of the evil eye, or love cantrips?

I mean, in my tasteless example, the guy with the van and the candy bars near a primary school, may also be a respected priest the rest of the time, and great at doing your taxes too. I would see no inherent contradiction or problem if you go to him to book a funeral or have him do your taxes. My problem is strictly with the internally contradictory scenario where a kid would believe that that guy is sent by mommy to give him new rules (like, say, "it's ok to get in a stranger's van for some candy") although he's exactly the person mommy tells him to avoid.

Now move that to adults, and it only baffles me more.

If person X tells you explicitly and in no ambiguous terms to not trust person(s) Y, not have anything to do with Y, and even that he'll kick your ass sky high if you ever have anything with Y. I dunno, maybe you're a soldier and you're strictly forbidden to talk to the press about military stuff. What kind of insanity is required to then believe that exactly an Y is sent to give you new rules from X?

If you were an officer and a soldier shot his mouth to a reporter about classified stuff, would you buy an excuse like, "oh, the reporter said you sent him to tell me it's ok"? You know, instead of getting such a permission through the established channels?

I mean, in my tasteless example, the guy with the van and the candy bars near a primary school, may also be a respected priest the rest of the time, and great at doing your taxes too. I would see no inherent contradiction or problem if you go to him to book a funeral or have him do your taxes. My problem is strictly with the internally contradictory scenario where a kid would believe that that guy is sent by mommy to give him new rules (like, say, "it's ok to get in a stranger's van for some candy") although he's exactly the person mommy tells him to avoid.

Now move that to adults, and it only baffles me more.

If person X tells you explicitly and in no ambiguous terms to not trust person(s) Y, not have anything to do with Y, and even that he'll kick your ass sky high if you ever have anything with Y. I dunno, maybe you're a soldier and you're strictly forbidden to talk to the press about military stuff. What kind of insanity is required to then believe that exactly an Y is sent to give you new rules from X?

If you were an officer and a soldier shot his mouth to a reporter about classified stuff, would you buy an excuse like, "oh, the reporter said you sent him to tell me it's ok"? You know, instead of getting such a permission through the established channels?

well, he also told that mommy lied and the info provided by the guy in the van proves mommy is perfect (wtf?)

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