I think post WW2 Germany is a better model. The socialist side would be a dreary place overcome by poverty. The free side would be an engine of prosperity. There would be tension as the free states wondered if the socialists would try to take the things that they don't have the motivation to produce for themselves, but we would stay ready and they would stay back so long as they could not count on an easy win. As far as I'm concerned, the Untied States would be a huge step up from a "United" States led by an anti-American communist.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:05:18 PM PST
by Pollster1
(Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)

The Lord Protector of England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales held as much power in 1656 as did the previous king. But in those days debt was much more limited. No human “Lord Protector” will be able to bail out the American economy in short order. Still it would be nice to see our “king’s” head fall after a trial. Charles was guilty of much less in 1649 than Hussein I in 2013.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:09:50 PM PST
by Monterrosa-24
(...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)

Agreed. I wish I had a screen shot of Drudge Report from just 5 or 6 years ago.. The tenor of articles has changed dramatically.. It could just be that the age of social media has changed the 'pitch' of the stories we read, but it appears to me that there's a mass breakdown, worldwide not just here.. Mothers stabbing their toddlers to death, kids drugging their parents so they can use the Internet, seems every other teacher is having sex with their students, or this headline, "High school sports star caught on camera LAUGHING as football team players 'raped and urinated on girl, 16, during house party"...

I do believe the the POTUS sets the tone for America and it seems that anything goes because our POTUS has NO MORAL COMPASS and it's all downhill from there.

In the mid-19th Century, there was a book written about newly-independent Greece, having just recently emerged at that time from the Ottoman Empire.

The book detailed that everyone was dodging taxes, the government was in debt up to its eyeballs and the corruption was nothing short of a national pasttime. And it’s economy was going down the crapper as well.

That was about 150 years ago. So, yeah....we’ve got a loooong time go. More like the air leaking out of a tire that’s been punctured by a sewing pin.

It won’t happen anytime soon, certainly not in my lifetime (I’m 43). Fact is, the USA has a long way to go. And with the recent re-emergence of petroleum as factor in the US economy, they can safely kick that can down the road for another century.

In other words, I wouldn’t be holding my breath.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:16:58 PM PST
by AnAmericanAbroad
(It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)

We don’t even have the ability to manufacture things anymore because the factories are gone, the manufacturing machinery is made in other countries, most of our population is too ADD/ADHD to even work an assembly line (or they are too badly-educated to run a highly automated line).

We destroyed the family.

We ridicule morality.

We tell ourselves that Allah is the same as God, and that Jesus was a nice man.

Our politicians of both parties are resigned to creating a socialist state. The only argument is method of conversion and how close to full communism they want to take us.

People learn science from TV shows. They learn history from fiction.

People will let their kids starve while they spend over $100 a month on a cell phone.

Crazy people wander the streets telling us “Don’t you be judgin’ me” and when one of them shoots up a school, we blame a law-abiding citizen’s gun that is locked up in a safe.

We already went splat, but like a brontosaurus, the pain impulses just haven’t reached the brain yet.

Some doddering European-style Social Democracy Welfare State that happens to have the name “United States” will probably stagger along slowly draining it’s reservoir of wealth and resources for about 100 years IMHO.

About four years ago, I was predicting about 10 years until the civil order breaks down completely. I don’t think that’s too far from right. Police forces are under manned and under funded because gangs have taken over the cities, and the cities have spent all their money on everything but public safety, and they have lost their taqx base as a result.

Fewer people see anything wrong with preying on others using violent means, either peronally, or using the government.

At some point, the federal government be so far in debt that it will not be able to afford a defense against external threats, and the Goths are already within our borders.

Elections are being rigged, and people are losing faith in the electoral process, and politicians and voters alike are holding the Constitution in contempt.

Six years. Obama may try to play Julius Caesar. Two years after that, chaos.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:27:02 PM PST
by Daveinyork
(."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)

The communist's plan has worked well. They have taken over the schools, media, and churches. They have brought in a large groups of refuges ( Hmongs and Somalis) that have nothing in common with the general population and have placed them in locations to cause chaos. The government's war on poverty has grown a class of immoral and unproductive barbarians that would keep Obama in power indefinitely if possible. Our government have purposely left the borders wide open to allow the worst from Mexico, central America and south America to steal benefits, destroy the culture and keep the Democrats in power.

The United States as a land of freedom and opportunity is done. Prepare for war. Welcome to serfdom and the dark ages.

Our country DIED when ABORTION was made LEGAL. WE now have over 55 MILLION DEAD BABIES.....KILLED BY THEIR MOTHERS....and Americans wanting MORE and MORE DEAD BABIES and ELECTING PEOPLE WHO WILL SEE TO MORE and MORE DEAD BABIES.....and THEY CHEER THE KILLERS AND THE HELPERS!!!

WE ARE MORALLY BANKRUPT even if our economy goes gangbusters....we are FINISHED......with BLOOD ON OUR HANDS.

It's already toast. The theater will go on for 2 years at best, but probably less - maybe as early as this spring (depending on what other natons choose to do). They're faking it now, but they can't fake it forever. They've milked the tax cow dry. That's when the once a month checks stop coming in the mail. The politicians will be long gone before we realize what has happened. They'll start "disappearing" one by one, quickly, and their entire secret service team will disappear right along with them. Some will fly out to a secure island, others will go underground.

Hmmm...around 2015, default process begins to conclude with meaningful big spending cuts, partial repudiations of debt, and so on. No “splat.” Only poverty and helplessness for former political regulator socialists and government-connected business folks, with everyone watching and recording each and every one of them, 24/7. The world will go on and on, while they stay at the bottom of everything for the rest of their natural lives.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:31:57 PM PST
by familyop
(We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)

Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. ― Winston Churchill

Our Constitutional Republic was a grand idea;
a noble and fragile experiment
in Life, Liberty & The Pursuit of Happiness.
We are now too far down
Marxism-socialisms free stuff slope,
to stop the descent into madness and collapse.
Its not the fall that will kill us;
its the sudden stop at the bottom.

America - a great idea while it lasted.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:35:19 PM PST
by carriage_hill
("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")

I used to believe it was all Democrats and liberals. But the Republicans are just as guilty in killing the once great USA. We have been betrayed by all sides. Might as well embrace the coming NWO because it is inevitable. The America I grew up with is a memory now.

Many surmise it will take a long time, but considering the exponentially quickening rate of the country’s decay (economic, moral, and cultural), I’m now leaning towards a much sooner and more sudden demise. Which would be more beneficial, allowing the potential of self-survival in the form of a new breakaway republic.

One of the main draws of being a conservative has always been the preservation of traditions and free-market ideals that made America the greatest nation in history. But there does seem to be a lamentable point in which there no longer appears anything left worth even salvaging.

We are already there. When I see people going through my garbage fives times in one night looking for cans and bottles that is not a populace of a superpower. When you have 47 million people in a government soup line you are no longer a leading nation.

THEY did, we didnt. We fought it every step of the way. We told them what would happen. They laughed at and ridiculed us. Everything we told them would happen has happened. Now we are telling them what is going to happen to the ecomony if they keep following commienomics. They are too stupid to understand or too stubborn to care. They wont stop until they spend every dollar they can bleed out of the productive or steal from their 401Ks. They they will blame us for their failure and write it in the history books.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:42:35 PM PST
by Brooklyn Attitude
(Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)

I know. But we, as a nation, allowed all this to happen. We did it in the name of diversity and fairness and openness. We didn’t shame unmarried mothers so it became a legitimized lifestyle choice. We locked our sons up in the house because we were afraid of “predators” so they became lazy, ADD, and addicted to porn and videogames. We let our daughters dress like whores and it attracted the worst kind of boys.

Again I say “we” because we didn’t want to anger our neighbor by telling them what damage they were doing to their kids. After all, we go along to get along, right?

The Enabler isn’t as bad as the Addict, but they carry their fair share of blame.

It's already here. They're just not telling us. Even our "electronic" voting machines are built by another country for us.This is why our government is doing things contrary to every law and belief we have, and no one, no politician/party/judge is stopping them. Our taxes feed and support the world. Where in the Constitution does it say we must send welfare checks, or "share" our wages with the poor globally? Where does it say we have to check with the UN before we do anything? In fact, the UNs headquarters is located here, right in the heart of the worlds superpower. It's like their capital building.

Many surmise it will take a long time, but considering the exponentially quickening rate of the countrys decay (economic, moral, and cultural), Im now leaning towards a much sooner and more sudden demise.

Notice how the democrats are scamming as much money as they can and how fast they're doing it. They're practically grabbing it right out of hands. They're scarfing at a record pace, almost as in they're in a panic. I think they know their welfare house of cards is about to tumble, and they're desperately trying to buy their way out of it ......with others people money, again, which got us into this mess in the first place!

“The Enabler isnt as bad as the Addict, but they carry their fair share of blame.”

Sometimes there is just nothing you can do to prevent a self destructive society, especially when it is being promoted by a sick media saturating society with poison messages. We did what we could, society will burn but at least it is not our fault.

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posted on 01/03/2013 1:59:43 PM PST
by Brooklyn Attitude
(Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)

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