Add U.S. Rep.Michele Bachmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann) to the list of potential Republican presidential hopefuls, as the tea party favorite plans a trip later this month to the early caucusstate of Iowa (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.0,-93.0&spn=3.0,3.0&q=42.0,-93.0%20%28Iowa%29&t=h) — and creates possible complications for fellow Minnesotan and maybe-candidateTim Pawlenty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pawlenty).

“Nothing’s off the table for her,”Andy Parrish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Parrish), Bachmann’s chief of staff, said Wednesday. “She’s looking forward to traveling to Iowa for the fundraiser, and you know, she’s looking forward over the next year to traveling and sharing the story of why we can’t re-electBarack Obama (http://www.whitehouse.gov/) as president.”
Parrish wouldn’t say when Bachmann would decide. But he said her own decision-making process won’t be influenced by those of either Pawlenty or former AlaskaGov. Sarah Palin (http://www.chacha.com/topic/sarah-palin), whom Bachmann has previously called a good 2012 prospect.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/37836

Maybe the two loonies can be on the same ticket.:rolleyes:

dnf777

01-22-2011, 06:11 PM

You heard it first here......

Palin/Bachmann!!!

Actually that other clip was NOT Rush mocking the Chinese president.....that was his reaction to Bachman running for president!

BonMallari

01-22-2011, 06:21 PM

Palin and Bachman are cut from the same mold...they both shoot from the lip without thinking about the consequences..neither one will settle for the passenger seat on a ticket...be very interesting to watch them throw digs at each other...Bachman's camp is smart, if she comes out as a candidate first before Palin, she takes a lot of the air out of the Palin balloon..shrewd move, lets see how the Palin camp handles this

Uncle Bill

01-22-2011, 06:41 PM

You heard it first here......

Palin/Bachmann!!!

Actually that other clip was NOT Rush mocking the Chinese president.....that was his reaction to Bachman running for president!

Please explain WTF a so-called-self-proclaimed (and obvious phoney) independant knows about Rush Limbaugh. The only unfortunate flaw Rush has in common with you is being a Steeler follower.

As to your views concerning Palin OR Bachman, you are as intelligent as Roger in that department, so please don't pretend to bring something important to that story. Either of them forgot more about the U.S.Constitution than you'll ever know.

UB

dnf777

01-22-2011, 07:10 PM

As to your views concerning Palin OR Bachman, you are as intelligent as Roger in that department, so please don't pretend to bring something important to that story. Either of them forgot more about the U.S.Constitution than you'll ever know.

UB

bill,
what I just flushed down the toilet knows more about America and the Constitution that you ever did, or will! Keep your dream machine tuned to Rush and Annie C, and let them keep feedin' ya!

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/images-9.jpg

M&K's Retrievers

01-22-2011, 07:33 PM

bill,
what I just flushed down the toilet knows more about America and the Constitution that you ever did, or will! Keep your dream machine tuned to Rush and Annie C, and let them keep feedin' ya!

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/images-9.jpg

Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick........

Blackstone

01-22-2011, 08:02 PM

You heard it first here......

Palin/Bachmann!!!

If you’re a late night show host/comedian, this would have to be a dream ticket!

Roger Perry

01-22-2011, 08:18 PM

If you’re a late night show host/comedian, this would have to be a dream ticket!

Even Archie Bunker would have called these two dingbats.:lol:

road kill

01-22-2011, 08:36 PM

Even Archie Bunker would have called these two dingbats.:lol:

OK, now that you have called them both names, what is it about their specific positions you dis agree with??

Oh, wait......you would have to actually know something about them first.

Your crap is getting old.

RK

Pals

01-22-2011, 09:11 PM

Lunatic??? As opposed to Pelosi or Boxer? Please. I would wager to bet she is a hell of a lot smarter than your sorry butt, you've got some nerve calling her a lunatic and giving free pass to the boxer/pelosi duo of delusional divas.

huntinman

01-22-2011, 09:33 PM

You libs have truly gone off the deep end. Michelle Bachmann can hold her own with any of your lightweight lib politicians, especially Barack Hussein Obama. You libs are supposed to be so enlightened and progressive, welcoming women, minorities, gays and according some even slackers... But every time a conservative, woman or minority steps up you guys wet your pants and go into panic mode. Running around talking about how stupid they are or hateful or whatever. You might as well face up to it, the public can see through the BS now, it does not work anymore. So, go ahead, keep making total asses of yourselves and we will continue taking the country back, one senate seat and congressional district at a time. Long live Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, the National emblems of your downfall along with Obama.

david gibson

01-22-2011, 10:27 PM

bill,
what I just flushed down the toilet knows more about America and the Constitution that you ever did, or will! Keep your dream machine tuned to Rush and Annie C, and let them keep feedin' ya!

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/images-9.jpg

Can't agree more. The right will never see the lunacy amongst their own ranks.

dnf777

01-22-2011, 10:37 PM

You libs have truly gone off the deep end. Michelle Bachmann can hold her own with any of your lightweight lib politicians, especially Barack Hussein Obama. You libs are supposed to be so enlightened and progressive, welcoming women, minorities, gays and according some even slackers... But every time a conservative, woman or minority steps up you guys wet your pants and go into panic mode. Running around talking about how stupid they are or hateful or whatever. You might as well face up to it, the public can see through the BS now, it does not work anymore. So, go ahead, keep making total asses of yourselves and we will continue taking the country back, one senate seat and congressional district at a time. Long live Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, the National emblems of your downfall along with Obama.

You really want to associate with Michelle Bachman? The one who wants to revive McCarthyism?? There are LOTS of qualified, competent conservatives out there. Why in God's name would you want Bachman and Palin as your image???

Marvin S

01-22-2011, 10:44 PM

The one who wants to revive McCarthyism??

Senator Joseph McCarthy, a frequent guest of the Kennedy family (yes, that family) when old Joe was alive. :) :-P

There are LOTS of qualified, competent conservatives out there.

Name a few who would meet your criteria, LOTS covers a big territory!!!!!

dnf777

01-22-2011, 10:52 PM

Senator Joseph McCarthy, a frequent guest of the Kennedy family (yes, that family) when old Joe was alive. :) :-P

Name a few who would meet your criteria, LOTS covers a big territory!!!!!

While I don't necessarily agree with all of their positions, I would feel that someone competent was at the helm with Newt, Pawlenty, Romney, Brown, McConnell, Paul, Huckabee.....need I go on?

I mean, your side is being sabatoged by the total wackos! What the hell do I know...but just go ahead and put Palin/Bachman up on stage, and see what happens. Those supporting them are a very narrow, small group. A special group, if you will. Why not put Christine ODonnell back on the ticket? She'd fit right in, wouldn't you say?

david gibson

01-22-2011, 11:04 PM

While I don't necessarily agree with all of their positions, I would feel that someone competent was at the helm with Newt, Pawlenty, Romney, Brown, McConnell, Paul, Huckabee.....need I go on?

I mean, your side is being sabatoged by the total wackos! What the hell do I know...but just go ahead and put Palin/Bachman up on stage, and see what happens. Those supporting them are a very narrow, small group. A special group, if you will. Why not put Christine ODonnell back on the ticket? She'd fit right in, wouldn't you say?

Exactly! very well stated!

Blackstone

01-22-2011, 11:22 PM

You libs have truly gone off the deep end. Michelle Bachmann can hold her own with any of your lightweight lib politicians, especially Barack Hussein Obama. You libs are supposed to be so enlightened and progressive, welcoming women, minorities, gays and according some even slackers... But every time a conservative, woman or minority steps up you guys wet your pants and go into panic mode. Running around talking about how stupid they are or hateful or whatever. You might as well face up to it, the public can see through the BS now, it does not work anymore. So, go ahead, keep making total asses of yourselves and we will continue taking the country back, one senate seat and congressional district at a time. Long live Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, the National emblems of your downfall along with Obama.

Come on, Bill. You have to admit some of the comments Bachmann has made are a bit bizarre. Do you really want someone with that kind of thought process leading the country?

M&K's Retrievers

01-22-2011, 11:29 PM

While I don't necessarily agree with all of their positions, I would feel that someone competent was at the helm with Newt, Pawlenty, Romney, Brown, McConnell, Paul, Huckabee.....need I go on?

I mean, your side is being sabatoged by the total wackos! What the hell do I know...but just go ahead and put Palin/Bachman up on stage, and see what happens. Those supporting them are a very narrow, small group. A special group, if you will. Why not put Christine ODonnell back on the ticket? She'd fit right in, wouldn't you say?

Tick, Tick, Tick Tick....

subroc

01-22-2011, 11:56 PM

I don't know Michelle Bachmann from a hole in the snow, but if the left could elect an inept guy like obama, I expect the right could elect her.

dnf777

01-23-2011, 08:02 AM

I don't know Michelle Bachmann from a hole in the snow, but if the left could elect an inept guy like obama, I expect the right could elect her.

Come on, Bill. You have to admit some of the comments Bachmann has made are a bit bizarre. Do you really want someone with that kind of thought process leading the country?

Let's line her up against Nancy P.

Why don't you list some of her comments and positions that offend you?
I will list some of Pelosi's.......sound like a fair fight to you???

stan b

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 08:42 AM

Let's line her up against Nancy P.

Why don't you list some of her comments and positions that offend you?
I will list some of Pelosi's.......sound like a fair fight to you???

stan b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxQZMSl-o0

I don't even have to pull up video's of Sarah Palin do I??????????????????

road kill

01-23-2011, 08:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxQZMSl-o0

I don't even have to pull up video's of Sarah Palin do I??????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI4ecR9gWj8

Game, Set & Match.....RK

NEXT........

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 08:55 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI4ecR9gWj8

Game, Set & Match.....RK

NEXT........

Hey RK, have you EVER seen me defend Nancy Peloci or any other Democrat for making stupid statements yet let anyone make any statement about any Republican and you righties are right there to defend them to the bitter end.;-) I didn't hear anything about Pelosi running for the highest office in the land have you? Checkmate.

depittydawg

01-23-2011, 10:09 AM

Let's line her up against Nancy P.

Why don't you list some of her comments and positions that offend you?
I will list some of Pelosi's.......sound like a fair fight to you???

stan b

Good point. I'll start it. "Impeachment is off the table".

depittydawg

01-23-2011, 10:15 AM

You libs are supposed to be so enlightened and progressive, welcoming women, minorities, gays and according some even slackers... .

For some reason, the Conservative movement has a soft spot and a warm embrace for hard talkers. I don't think these people are stupid at all. They are cashing in on a nitch that exists within the conservative movement. They are very dangerous to democracy however.

huntinman

01-23-2011, 10:27 AM

For some reason, the Conservative movement has a soft spot and a warm embrace for hard talkers. I don't think these people are stupid at all. They are cashing in on a nitch that exists within the conservative movement. They are very dangerous to democracy however.

It took a few "hard talkers" to get this country started. It may take a few to save it from the likes of the crowd screwing it up now.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 10:29 AM

Good point. I'll start it. "Impeachment is off the table".
To expound on that
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/nancy_pelosi/index.html?inline=nyt-per) promised Wednesday that when her party takes over, the new majority will not attempt to remove President Bush from office, despite earlier pledges to the contrary from others in the caucus.
“I have said it before and I will say it again: Impeachment is off the table,” Pelosi, D-Calif., said during a news conference.
Pelosi also said Democrats (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/d/democratic_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org), despite complaining about years of unfair treatment by the majority GOP, “are not about getting even” with Republicans (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org).
She said the GOP, which frequently excluded Democrats from conference committee hearings and often blocked attempts to introduce amendments, would not suffer similar treatment.
“Democrats pledge civility and bipartisanship in the conduct of the work here and we pledge partnerships with Congress and the Republicans in Congress, and the president — not partisanship.”
http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2006/11/08/cq_1916.html

On the other hand----
Thu, 12/10/2009 - 5:38pm — Misty
A new poll released by Public Policy Polling (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/12/obamas-december-standing.html) Wednesday introduced some surprising numbers.
Thirty-five percent of Republicans said that they would support impeaching Obama for his actions so far, though there is no indication of what specific "actions" they think could potentially merit impeachment.

dnf777

01-23-2011, 10:45 AM

Thirty-five percent of Republicans said that they would support impeaching Obama for his actions so far, though there is no indication of what specific "actions" they think could potentially merit impeachment.

These are the people you see on "Hoarders" each week. They traded in their teeth for IQ points. And they weren't starting with all 33 to begin with!

Now before anyone here gets their bowels in a twist, I'm NOT referring to anyone here! I love you guys.

Go STEELERS!!

BrianW

01-23-2011, 11:08 AM

Comparing some issues that matter to me:
2nd Amendment - MB is a strong supporter of the 2nd and member of Congressional Sportsman' Caucus. PBO favors restrictions on firearms such as ratification of the Small Arms Treaty and has appointed a SCOTUS justice that concurred with the dissenting opinions against gun ownership.

Health care reform - MB wants to address lawsuit abuses/ PBO had his chance, did nothing
HSA's - MB wants to expand them/PBO wants to get rid of them via Ocare
Medical expenses & premiums - MB wants 100% deduction/ PBO wants us to pay for others care as well as pay fines or go to prison if you don't.

Energy independence - MB favors utilizing our resources to reduce monies going to foreign, often hostile interests, does not support Cap & Trade/ PBO has made domestic production more difficult, helped cause prices to go up and favors the huge expansion of the gov through C & T, which by his own admission would cause electricity rates to skyrocket..

Continued advantage = MB

Taxes - MB would do away with the IRS as we know it through the Taxpayers Bill of Rights and other measures for a simpler. fairer tax system such as eliminating the death tax/ PBO has added more agents and expanded the IRS's role to enforce HCR, and has committed us to higher tax levels for generations to come through increased deficit spending & higher debt ceilings, would have added even more taxes through C & T. With the policies continued by, and initiated from this Admin, I am reading from some financial experts, that even if we taxed every American's income at 100%, we still couldn't pay the interest on our debt. We would still have to borrow money to maintain the status quo.
THAT'S some "hope & change" for us!

Privacy - PBO & his Admin has pushed for increased government intrusion/intervention into private lives, from advocating domestic monitoring of cell phones & the Internet, to tracking your movements via GPS without a court ordered warrant, and statements that citizens do NOT have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their public movements. In addition, under Ocare, the gov will monitor & review the decisions made by a patient & their health care provider, & maintain a new database that will be used for only God knows what future purposes, limited by only an appointed secretary/ bureaucrat's twisted logic.

With a resume like that in only 2 years, and enough "stupid statements" of his own on the record, such as "the Constitution doesn't state what the government must do for you" how can one say that Bachmann doesn't have a right to make herself heard?

Jmtc, if it wasn't for the tradition of trying to balance the ticket geographically, I'd say that an "all MN ticket" of Pawlenty/Bachmann wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility.

huntinman

01-23-2011, 11:17 AM

Brian, good points and logic don't count with the libs. Their irrational hatred of all things conservative knows no bounds especially if it comes from something they fear... an attractive woman, who is well eduacated (an attorney), and is not afraid of them. They will continue to attack her while frothing at the mouth just as they do with Palin. Like a pack of crazed animals... Obamazombies or whatever you want to call them.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 11:37 AM

Comparing some issues that matter to me:
2nd Amendment - MB is a strong supporter of the 2nd and member of Congressional Sportsman' Caucus. PBO favors restrictions on firearms such as ratification of the Small Arms Treaty and has appointed SCOTUS justice that concurred with the dissenting opinions against gun ownership.

Health care reform - MB wants to address lawsuit abuses/ PBO had his chance, did nothing
HSA's - MB wants to expand them/PBO wants to get rid of them via Ocare
Medical expenses & premiums - MB wants 100% deduction/ PBO wants us to pay for others care as well as pay fines or go to prison if you don't.

Energy independence - MB favors utilizing our resources to reduce monies going to foreign, often hostile interests, does not support Cap & Trade/ PBO has made domestic production more difficult, helped cause prices to go up and favors the huge expansion of the gov through C & T, which by his own admission would cause electricity rates to skyrocket..

Continued advantage = MB

Taxes - MB would do away with the IRS as we know it through the Taxpayers Bill of Rights and other measures for a simpler. fairer tax system such as eliminating the death tax/ PBO has added more agents and expanded the IRS's role to enforce HCR, and has committed us to higher tax levels for generations to come through increased deficit spending & higher debt ceilings, would have added even more taxes through C & T. With the policies continued by, and initiated from this Admin, I am reading from some financial experts, that even if we taxed every American's income at 100%, we still couldn't pay the interest on our debt. We would still have to borrow money to maintain the status quo.
THAT'S some "hope & change" for us!

Privacy - PBO & his Admin has pushed for increased government intrusion/intervention into private lives, from advocating domestic monitoring of cell phones & the Internet, to tracking your movements via GPS without a court ordered warrant, and statements that citizens do NOT have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their public movements. In addition, under Ocare, the gov will monitor & review the decisions made by a patient & their health care provider, & maintain a new database that will be used for only God knows what future purposes, limited by only an appointed secretary/ bureaucrat's twisted logic.

With a resume like that in only 2 years, and enough "stupid statements" of his own on the record, such as "the Constitution doesn't state what the government must do for you" how can one say that Bachmann doesn't have a right to make herself heard?

Jmtc, if it wasn't for the tradition of trying to balance the ticket geographically, I'd say that an "all MN ticket" of Pawlenty/Bachmann wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility.

that even if we taxed every American's income at 100%, we still couldn't pay the interest on our debt.
And just who was it that got our Government trillions of dollars in debt to start with? It sure wasn't Clinton.;-)

PBO & his Admin has pushed for increased government intrusion/intervention into private lives, from advocating domestic monitoring of cell phones & internet

Wasn't it really Bush who authorized illegal wire taps then got a law passed after the fact to make it legal?????
Senate Approves Telco Amnesty, Legalizes Bush’s Secret Spy Program

The Senate overwhelming voted Tuesday evening to legalize President Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program and grant amnesty to the phone companies that helped out with the domestic spying..

Blackstone

01-23-2011, 12:21 PM

Let's line her up against Nancy P.

Why don't you list some of her comments and positions that offend you?
I will list some of Pelosi's.......sound like a fair fight to you???

stan b

I never said Bachman’s comments offended me. I said they were bizarre, and they are.

I’m not sure how Peloci got dragged into this. I realize she has made some bizarre comments of her own, and you haven’t ever seen me defend her either. But, how does Peloci’s behavior legitimize Bachmann’s behavior? It doesn’t make Bachmann any less bizarre. Personally, I wouldn’t want either one of them as President or Vice President.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 12:32 PM

I never said Bachman’s comments offended me. I said they were bizarre, and they are.

I’m not sure how Peloci got dragged into this. I realize she has made some bizarre comments of her own, and you haven’t ever seen me defend her either. But, how does Peloci’s behavior legitimize Bachmann’s behavior? It doesn’t make Bachmann any less bizarre. Personally, I wouldn’t want either one of them as President or Vice President.

I basicly said the same thing to RK that I never defended Pelosi and never got a response back from him either. Stupid remarks are stupid remarks it doesn't make any difference to me if it is a Republican or Democrat that makes them but the righties here feel they have to step up and defend their own.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 12:35 PM

Brian, good points and logic don't count with the libs. Their irrational hatred of all things conservative knows no bounds especially if it comes from something they fear... an attractive woman, who is well eduacated (an attorney), and is not afraid of them. They will continue to attack her while frothing at the mouth just as they do with Palin. Like a pack of crazed animals... Obamazombies or whatever you want to call them.

Because Bachman is an attorney you think she is smart. Obama also is an attorney who taught Constitutional law and you think he is not smart.:confused:
You also think GW Bush is smart yet he was unable to get into law school because his grades were too low.:rolleyes:

road kill

01-23-2011, 12:37 PM

I never said Bachman’s comments offended me. I said they were bizarre, and they are.

I’m not sure how Peloci got dragged into this. I realize she has made some bizarre comments of her own, and you haven’t ever seen me defend her either. But, how does Peloci’s behavior legitimize Bachmann’s behavior? It doesn’t make Bachmann any less bizarre. Personally, I wouldn’t want either one of them as President or Vice President.

And I have never called her any names, have I???

But many of the so called "middle of the road independents" can't help them selves when it comes to calling people names.
I don't like it.

And don't start with what about the name calling of Obama, anyone that's been around here a while knows how I feel about that as well.
Makes the name caller's arguments diminish greatly.

stan b

BonMallari

01-23-2011, 01:00 PM

Because Bachman is an attorney you think she is smart. Obama also is an attorney who taught Constitutional law and you think he is not smart.:confused:
You also think GW Bush is smart yet he was unable to get into law school because his grades were too low.:rolleyes:

Guess he was smart enough to get an MBA from Harvard, and his BA from Yale, last time I checked those two universities arent giving those away:p

huntinman

01-23-2011, 01:06 PM

Because Bachman is an attorney you think she is smart. Obama also is an attorney who taught Constitutional law and you think he is not smart.:confused:
You also think GW Bush is smart yet he was unable to get into law school because his grades were too low.:rolleyes:

I never said Obama is not smart, I think he knows exactly what he is doing. That's why I want him out. As for Bush, well I know you love him...his grades were better than John F'ing(as he is known in the media) Kerry:razz:

M&K's Retrievers

01-23-2011, 01:13 PM

I never said Obama is not smart, I think he knows exactly what he is doing. That's why I want him out. As for Bush, well I know you love him...his grades were better than John F'ing(as he is known in the media) Kerry:razz:

Don't forget Ted Kennedy.

Blackstone

01-23-2011, 01:17 PM

And I have never called her any names, have I???

But many of the so called "middle of the road independents" can't help them selves when it comes to calling people names.
I don't like it.

And don't start with what about the name calling of Obama, anyone that's been around here a while knows how I feel about that as well.
Makes the name caller's arguments diminish greatly.

stan b

I don't hold with the name calling either. That's why I don't do it.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 01:32 PM

Guess he was smart enough to get an MBA from Harvard, and his BA from Yale, last time I checked those two universities arent giving those away:p

If his father was not a senator he would never been allowed into either school.:-P And here I thought his Majors were cocaine and alcohol-- silly me

M&K's Retrievers

01-23-2011, 01:37 PM

I hope for the sake of all of us that that the real estate business in St Wherever, FL picks up soon.;):p

dnf777

01-23-2011, 01:43 PM

I hope for the sake of all of us that that the real estate business in St Wherever, FL picks up soon.;):p

What ya got shakin' in Kingston, OK?

road kill

01-23-2011, 01:49 PM

If his father was not a senator he would never been allowed into either school.:-P And here I thought his Majors were cocaine and alcohol-- silly me

Prove your Bull Shat accusation.

stan b

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 01:50 PM

I hope for the sake of all of us that that the real estate business in St Wherever, FL picks up soon.;):p

Me to:lol: Just waiting for the football game to start.

M&K's Retrievers

01-23-2011, 02:38 PM

What ya got shakin' in Kingston, OK?

Absolutely nothing especially real estate but the wind is blowing. I got that working for me.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 02:51 PM

Prove your Bull Shat accusation.

stan b

Or, he cound have gotten a cheerleader scholarship:-P

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/f/bush_college_cheerleader.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushsuckerpunch.htm)
George W. Bush as a cheerleader at Andover

BonMallari

01-23-2011, 02:54 PM

If his father was not a senator he would never been allowed into either school.:-P And here I thought his Majors were cocaine and alcohol-- silly me

Prove your Bull Shat accusation.

stan b

He cant because GHWB was never a Senator...but whats a fact here and there:rolleyes:

BrianW

01-23-2011, 03:11 PM

With the policies continued by, and initiated from this Admin,

Privacy - PBO & his Admin has pushed for increased government intrusion/intervention into private lives,

Did ya miss those little words from my post in there, Roger? Or just ignoring them?

The whole point of your OP is a predicated run against PBO by Bachmann, NOT BUSH ! :rolleyes: I'm merely responding to your hypothesis.

This Admin's Justice Dept. attorneys, NOT BUSH'S !, are the ones that, in 2010 argued in court for warrantless cell phone tracking, to read your e-mails without warrants, and stick a GPS unit on your car to track you without your knowledge and without a warrant. This Admin's work, NOT BUSH'S !, is the one that helped get the intrusion between doctor and patient in the PPACA by requiring electronic reporting.

PBO's Admin is the one pushing for raising the debt ceiling to over 14 trillion dollars this year, 2011, NOT BUSH'S !

If you can't face the hoax in "change", that's fine.
But if you can't even discuss the potential issues between 2 hypothetical future candidates, because you're so stuck in the past of "I hate Bush" land, that's pretty sad. :(

depittydawg

01-23-2011, 03:51 PM

Did ya miss those little words from my post in there, Roger? Or just ignoring them?

The whole point of your OP is a predicated run against PBO by Bachmann, NOT BUSH ! :rolleyes: I'm merely responding to your hypothesis.

This Admin's Justice Dept. attorneys, NOT BUSH'S !, are the ones that, in 2010 argued in court for warrantless cell phone tracking, to read your e-mails without warrants, and stick a GPS unit on your car to track you without your knowledge and without a warrant. This Admin's work, NOT BUSH'S !, is the one that helped get the intrusion between doctor and patient in the PPACA by requiring electronic reporting.

PBO's Admin is the one pushing for raising the debt ceiling to over 14 trillion dollars this year, 2011, NOT BUSH'S !

If you can't face the hoax in "change", that's fine.
But if you can't even discuss the potential issues between 2 hypothetical future candidates, because you're so stuck in the past of "I hate Bush" land, that's pretty sad. :(

Have to agree with you. As an agent of change, BO has been a complete failure. Hopefully, we only have 2 more years to put up with him.

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 04:35 PM

Did ya miss those little words from my post in there, Roger? Or just ignoring them?

The whole point of your OP is a predicated run against PBO by Bachmann, NOT BUSH ! :rolleyes: I'm merely responding to your hypothesis.

This Admin's Justice Dept. attorneys, NOT BUSH'S !, are the ones that, in 2010 argued in court for warrantless cell phone tracking, to read your e-mails without warrants, and stick a GPS unit on your car to track you without your knowledge and without a warrant. This Admin's work, NOT BUSH'S !, is the one that helped get the intrusion between doctor and patient in the PPACA by requiring electronic reporting.

PBO's Admin is the one pushing for raising the debt ceiling to over 14 trillion dollars this year, 2011, NOT BUSH'S !

If you can't face the hoax in "change", that's fine.
But if you can't even discuss the potential issues between 2 hypothetical future candidates, because you're so stuck in the past of "I hate Bush" land, that's pretty sad. :(

US Government Tracking US Citizens Via. GPS Without Warrants (http://ourtaxdollarsatwork.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/us-government-tracking-us-citizens-via-gps-without-warrants/)

WASHINGTON, DC – Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn’t violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn’t tracking your movements.
That is the bizarre — and scary — rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants — with no need for a search warrant. (See a TIME photoessay on Cannabis Culture.)
It is a dangerous decision — one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.
This case began in 2007, when Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents decided to monitor Juan Pineda-Moreno, an Oregon resident who they suspected was growing marijuana. They snuck onto his property in the middle of the night and found his Jeep in his driveway, a few feet from his trailer home. Then they attached a GPS tracking device to the vehicle’s underside.
After Pineda-Moreno challenged the DEA’s actions, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit ruled in January that it was all perfectly legal. More disturbingly, a larger group of judges on the circuit, who were subsequently asked to reconsider the ruling, decided this month to let it stand. (Pineda-Moreno has pleaded guilty conditionally to conspiracy to manufacture marijuana and manufacturing marijuana while appealing the denial of his motion to suppress evidence obtained with the help of GPS.)

In these highly partisan times, GPS monitoring is a subject that has both conservatives and liberals worried. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's pro-privacy ruling was unanimous — decided by judges appointed by Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

I could not find a link for that. The only link I found was the 9th district court in California which came about because a gps was attatched to an auto in 2007.

BrianW

01-23-2011, 07:28 PM

here. i'll help you out -
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/20/justice-department-decide-gps-case-supreme-court/

Justice Department to decide if GPS case moves to Supreme Court

Five months after his drug conspiracy conviction was reversed, former D.C. nightclub owner Antoine Jones (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/antoine-jones/) remains in prison as the Justice Department decides (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/)whether to ask the (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/supreme-court/) Supreme Court (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/supreme-court/) to review his case.

The central question that resulted in Jones (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/antoine-jones/)' successful appeal, which is being closely watched by civil liberties groups, is whether the government needs a warrant to use GPS technology to tail a suspect.

Jones (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/antoine-jones/)' lawyer on appeal, Steve Leckar (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/steve-leckar/), argued that his client's right to a reasonable expectation of privacy was violated when federal agents attached a GPS device to his vehicle without getting a warrant. Jones (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/antoine-jones/) was sentenced to life in prison.

A federal appeals panel agreed with Mr. Leckar (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/steve-leckar/) in an August decision, which was later backed in a 5-4 ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/us-court-of-appeals/) for the District of Columbia Circuit. The Justice Department (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/department-of-justice/) has until Feb. 17 to challenge the ruling to the Supreme Court (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/supreme-court/).

Roger Perry

01-23-2011, 07:47 PM

One simple question:

In 2010, whose Administration Justice Dept lawyers argued that case position before the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia circuit?

Another very simple question:

In 2011, whose Administration Justice Dept has until Feb. 17 to decide if they want to challenge the ruling & send the 5-4 reversal of conviction to the SCOTUS?

What I don't understand if the 9th circuit court district already said it was legal to use a gps planted divice wouldn't it then have to go to a higher court? These are 2 different cases involving 2 different people and one has already been ruled on.

huntinman

01-24-2011, 08:11 AM

[B]In 2007 Obama was not the President of the U.S. and he will not be in 2013!!;-)

There, now doesn't that look better?

BrianW

01-24-2011, 08:56 AM

What I don't understand if the 9th circuit court district already said it was legal to use a gps planted divice wouldn't it then have to go to a higher court? These are 2 different cases involving 2 different people and one has already been ruled on.

There's really only 1 thing you need to understand here, Roger -
BOTH of these cases were argued before the Circuit Courts by Obama Justice Dept lawyers.
The Obama JD has until Feb. 17 to take the Jones case to the SCOTUS.

If Obama, through Holder, et al didn't believe this was an appropriate procedure, to track you via GPS without a warrant, they could have just dropped the case on lack of merit, similar to the New Black Panther Party case. But they want to be able to track you without a warrant, which is the point I was making in my post comparing issues.

BonMallari

01-26-2011, 10:05 AM

Back to the original topic, after her Tea Party response last night was there any doubt that Bachmann has Presidential aspirations...her response was just campaign rhetoric from last Nov. she offered nothing new or fresh and the camera that was on her was unflattering because her eyes were fixated on the teleprompter. I never felt like she was talking directly to the viewer, more like we were an observer in the room

M&K's Retrievers

01-26-2011, 10:18 AM

Back to the original topic, after her Tea Party response last night was there any doubt that Bachmann has Presidential aspirations...her response was just campaign rhetoric from last Nov. she offered nothing new or fresh and the camera that was on her was unflattering because her eyes were fixated on the teleprompter. I never felt like she was talking directly to the viewer, more like we were an observer in the room

That was distracting and hard to watch. It was taped, I think, so you would think they could have fixed it.:confused:

dnf777

01-26-2011, 12:58 PM

I thought the republican response had nothing new either. Same old bash the democrats, and offer nothing instead. He delivered his speech very well however, but spoke in a few code words. How about "if you're near retirement age, you won't be affected"? What does that mean?

I won't call her names, but I could NOT sit through bachmann's recitation.

huntinman

01-26-2011, 01:03 PM

. How about "if you're near retirement age, you won't be affected"? What does that mean?

.

It means the exact same thing as "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance... and... If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

BonMallari

01-26-2011, 01:13 PM

like I hinted at a few days ago, it will be interesting to see Palin and Bachmann battle it out to be the face and voice of the Tea Party and their movement

for those of you who consider yourself a Tea Party backer who do you want as your standard bearer..Palin ,Bachmann, Rand Paul,Marco Rubio

not a Tea Party bandwagoner, but I do share some of their stances and I do like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio...but I think both can do more in the Senate for now than going after POTUS at this early stage of their political careers

dnf777

01-26-2011, 01:17 PM

like I hinted at a few days ago, it will be interesting to see Palin and Bachmann battle it out to be the face and voice of the Tea Party and their movement

for those of you who consider yourself a Tea Party backer who do you want as your standard bearer..Palin ,Bachmann, Rand Paul,Marco Rubio

not a Tea Party bandwagoner, but I do share some of their stances and I do like Rand Paul and Marco Rubio...but I think both can do more in the Senate for now than going after POTUS at this early stage of their political careers

Didn't Rubio just back out of a lot of the tea bag platform items? I thought he was OUT of the tea party.

dnf777

01-26-2011, 01:18 PM

It means the exact same thing as "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance... and... If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

Sit down and listen... I'll explain this carefully... It means your man in the White House lies and cannot be trusted. That is the relation. Come on, you are so busy insulting the tea party, you can't understand a simple slam of Obama?

BonMallari

01-26-2011, 01:28 PM

Didn't Rubio just back out of a lot of the tea bag platform items? I thought he was OUT of the tea party.

I dont know about Rubio, but Scott Brown-( R. Mass) seems to have abandoned those that got him elected (based on his limited voting record)

Roger Perry

01-26-2011, 01:30 PM

Sit down and listen... I'll explain this carefully... It means your man in the White House lies and cannot be trusted. That is the relation. Come on, you are so busy insulting the tea party, you can't understand a simple slam of Obama?

Where's RK on this one, another disrespectful statement:confused:

dnf777

01-26-2011, 02:41 PM

Sit down and listen... I'll explain this carefully... It means your man in the White House lies and cannot be trusted. That is the relation. Come on, you are so busy insulting the tea party, you can't understand a simple slam of Obama?

I insulted the tea party?
What, by asking if Rubio backed out of some of their platforms? That's insulting???
And the comment about "near retirement" was by the republican responder...not the self-appointed one who felt the tea-baggers needed their own, separate response by such an eloquent spokeswoman.

Get you insult accusations correct before flailing wildly with them!

huntinman

01-26-2011, 03:08 PM

I insulted the tea party?
What, by asking if Rubio backed out of some of their platforms? That's insulting???
And the comment about "near retirement" was by the republican responder...not the self-appointed one who felt the tea-baggers needed their own, separate response by such an eloquent spokeswoman.

Get you insult accusations correct before flailing wildly with them!

I know aren't that dense. Although I have known a few doctors that were a little short in the common sense department (including one I was married to for way too long). But, you seem to have a pre-occupation with the term tea-bag or tea-bagging. I know your avatar shows you with lots of makeup, but I think you should see a shrink about your hangup with sick activities like that. Maybe take "Big Ben" along with you.

troy schwab

01-26-2011, 03:12 PM

For God's sake DNF..... tell me that isnt you in your avatar!!!!!!!!!!!!! If so, it would explain a lot...... but tell me it isnt so.........LOL

dnf777

01-26-2011, 03:36 PM

I know aren't that dense. Although I have known a few doctors that were a little short in the common sense department (including one I was married to for way too long). But, you seem to have a pre-occupation with the term tea-bag or tea-bagging. I know your avatar shows you with lots of makeup, but I think you should see a shrink about your hangup with sick activities like that. Maybe take "Big Ben" along with you.

As usual, you're a day late and a dollar short with your silly claims! We beat this horse to death a long time ago. The term "tea-bagger" is a self-supported claim. I'm just using what many have dubbed themselves. This otherwise fine gentleman, and disabled vet, clearly demonstrates that the term "tea bagger" is not of DNF origin. Sorry if it embarasses you, get over it, or join another movement.