Newt or Mitt who would you vote for if it came down to those two for the nomination?

Just came out of a meeting of people, from the public sector (government employees) in Florida. 6 people. All 6 were registered Republicans, which
is an odd thing in government. Democrats are the majority here.

When the discussion turned to voting in tomorrow's primary, 4 of the 6 have decided not to vote tomorrow. Too much negativity flying back and forth
between Mitt and Newt. They don't trust either candidate. NOBODY likes Santorum, and they are scared to vote RP, he has been painted as extreme.
So, their solution is to not vote at all. Of the other 2, one was a very vocal RP supporter, and then there was me, and I simply observed and offered
up RP as a better solution than staying home, but most of them had their minds made up.

Informal poll, of 6, educated, very involved, and politically savvy, registered Republicans, and the consensus was 66% will refuse to vote and 33%
will vote RP.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
If the topic were "Vanilla or Strawberry, what is your favorite ice cream?" Would everyone that said "Chocolate" be off-topic? Of course not, it
is a valid answer, there are more than 2 flavors of ice cream.

That may very well be one of the worst analogies I've ever seen.

If there were a thread asking which flavor was preferred between vanilla or strawberry specifically, then yes I think chocolate would literally be
off-topic.

If someone starts a thread comparing the potential Dem vs Rep platforms, would it be off-topic to drag the discussion into the platforms of the 4
other parties likely to field candidates, especially if the discussion careened off in a direction designed to minimize, if not eliminate by
substitution, the originally stated topic? Don't bother to answer, I can already see that it would be ok.

Originally posted by NowIsThe
A vote for Gingrich or Santorum is a wasted vote! Here's why....

The MSM is using Internet polls for the sheep...just like the man behind the curtain in the wizard of oz! No matter what the media wants you to
believe, it’s already a two-man race. Of the 2286 total Republican delegates, 1144 are needed to win the nomination. In five states: Virginia,
Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee and Illinois - Gingrich and Santorum are not even on the ballot. That’s 564 delegates that they cannot get. After South
Carolina, only 59 delegates have been allocated to the four candidates. Mitt Romney has 39 of those. This means Santorum or Gingrich has to pick up
1144 delegates from the remaining 1683.

Dr. Paul is on the ballot in every state so let’s say that Dr. Paul only picks up 20% of the total number of delegates – I happen to believe he
will do much better – but let’s pick 20%. That’s 457 delegates for Dr. Paul. Add that to the 564 that Newt and Santorum won’t have a shot at
and now there are 1021 delegates that Santorum and Gingrich have no chance of getting. Subtract that 1021 from the total 2286 and you’re left with
1265 delegates. That means that Gingrich and Santorum, one or the other, must pick up over 90% of the available delegates to get the nomination. So,
essentially, we’re down to Dr. Paul and Romney.

A vote for Gingrich and Santorum is a wasted vote! A vote for Ron Paul is not a wasted vote and may well mean that the next President of the United
States will be a man that, for the last 30 years, has never broken a promise, compromised his principles or waffled his position on an issue. A man
that still believes that the Constitution of the United States is THE law of the land and that the protection of our individual liberties is the
primary reason for the Federal Government. Dr. Paul does not need to win FL. He only needs to win the caucus states, which overwhelmingly support
him.

As much as the media would like us to believe, this race is not over.

RON PAUL 2012!

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It's All about the NUMBERS . Newt and Santorum Cannot get enough Delagates to Win the Republican Nomination . To even talk about Gingrich is a Total;
Waste of Time . It's either Romney or Paul , CHOOSE ............

Just came out of a meeting of people, from the public sector (government employees) in Florida. 6 people. All 6 were registered Republicans, which
is an odd thing in government. Democrats are the majority here.

When the discussion turned to voting in tomorrow's primary, 4 of the 6 have decided not to vote tomorrow. Too much negativity flying back and forth
between Mitt and Newt. They don't trust either candidate. NOBODY likes Santorum, and they are scared to vote RP, he has been painted as extreme.
So, their solution is to not vote at all. Of the other 2, one was a very vocal RP supporter, and then there was me, and I simply observed and offered
up RP as a better solution than staying home, but most of them had their minds made up.

Informal poll, of 6, educated, very involved, and politically savvy, registered Republicans, and the consensus was 66% will refuse to vote and 33%
will vote RP.

Very interesting but bias as its really 1 in five that will vote for RP. Because you are counting yourself and your obviously voting for RP. And I
don't take anybody who says they aren't going to vote seriously because they may just end up doing it, or they may not really want to voice their
opinion. It's called peer pressure.

I thought about the peer pressure aspect, and it probably does have an effect, but in this case nobody mentioned any particular candidate until the
very end. Actually, someone did mention wishing they could still vote for Herman Cain.

I intentionally waited, because I was curious and
didn't want to taint the well, and the other person was eager to speak up, but they are a little lower level manager, so they waited for just the
right moment to chime in with RP.

The ones that said they are not voting, will really not be voting, because we were arranging coverage and planning on who would be in and out during
the day, so I know they really are not planning to leave and vote.

I'm pretty sure Newt will be winning the primary here in Florida, but I still think the GOP is going to be in trouble in November.

I liked both Cain and Huntsman as well. I am afraid Cain didn't have the complete package. Maybe he did, but I think he might have ended up in over
his head. Huntsman will be a great president some day, but I think he is the most logical choice for Secretary of State this go around. He'll be
primed and ready to be the frontrunner in 2016. Maybe Huntsman/Christie in 2016?

I liked both Cain and Huntsman as well. I am afraid Cain didn't have the complete package. Maybe he did, but I think he might have ended up in over
his head. Huntsman will be a great president some day, but I think he is the most logical choice for Secretary of State this go around. He'll be
primed and ready to be the frontrunner in 2016. Maybe Huntsman/Christie in 2016?

I would have voted for Cain and a couple thousand people still do He actually beat Perry in SC! And Cain put his support around Newt and I like Cain a
bit more than I like Huntsman. So that solidifies my vote for Newt. Plus I don't really trust Romney, but I'll vote for him if/when he gets the
nominee. He sure knows his economics and could balance the budget.

If he wins I fear Obama will Win. Obama is prepared for Romney. Not prepared for Newt. But Newt does get a little testy at the media. He has GREAT
days and then crappy days. Let's just say there will never be an Obama and Reagan again. These two people are what each party will hope to have
again.

He is the only one that will stop the massive spending by the Feds, and the government/administrations.

Not to mention that if anybody wants to start a war with Iran, let Europe do it. We should stop going to war unless it is TRULY necessary, as in we
are getting attacked, or we know a military fleet of x is coming to our shores.

Instead we should put the DHS to work on our borders and stop illegal immigration, and not to harrass Americans.

I think a lot of trepidation in Ron Paul is the fear the media instills in viewer's minds, that he is somehow going to get rid of Medicare and SS.
However, what he would do is bring our troops home, close many of our unnecessary bases around the world and focus that money (huge money, btw) on
funding those entitlement programs. Funding these programs are against his ideals but he knows it would be political suicide to do otherwise, despite
the fact they are unconstitutional.

If we continue down the road with the status quo (Obama, and the three other Republican stooges) we will have to end those programs entirely. They
were strategically robbed by prior administrations for war mongering purposes and have yet to be replenished. We spent as much money in one month in
Afghanistan as we have in the last 34 years of funding NASA (That is from the mouth of Rush Limbaugh). Imagine how different our lives would be, how
much further a head America would be if we kept ourselves out of debt and funded domestic programs, such as NASA, and put that money into securing our
borders instead? Or better yet, how about given it to you and me in the form of reduced tax to spend here at home, helping our economy grow? This war
on terror is so obviously phony to the average Joe, it's unbelievable that so many still eat the propaganda. The problem is they just haven't done
enough research to know the truth. The war is real. However, the reason for its existence is just completely different than what the Zionist owned
media wants you to believe.

It's early morning...so, this is five hours ago.
From the Philadelphia Inquirer:

+ + +

Santorum says daughter, Bella, 3, will be OK

January 29, 2012|By Anthony Campisi, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum, who scaled back campaign appearances to be with his 3-year-old daughter, Bella, at Children's
Hospital of Philadelphia, said Sunday night the little girl was getting better and should be able to go home in a few days.

Speaking to Florida supporters by phone from Bella's hospital room, Santorum said she'd had a rough 36 hours with pneumonia, but was awake, alert
and back to being a "beautiful, happy girl."

Bella, one of seven Santorum children, suffers from a serious genetic disorder called Trisomy 18, a condition caused by a third copy of material from
chromosome 18 instead of two, leading to a wide array of physical and mental problems.

Thanks for the update Colbe! Santorum is a good guy, maybe with too much religious overtones for me, but I could definately get around him if he wins,
I'm just more liberal when it comes to social issues, actually like RP I beleive it's free choice what you do to your own body. See Paulites, I do
believe in some of RP stances!!! Jeez.

You criticize Paul supporters and even use the language of a 12 year old to describe him. You hide out in every Paul thread speaking negatively
about him. I think you have an unhealthy obsession. It's alright to dislike him or not support him, he doesn't have to come out of your mouth in
every post. It shows your bias.

I don't agree with you and think you're an idiot if you support either of Mitt/Newt as they are both completely in bed with the bankers who control
our currency and rip off the people while doing so, but it is your choice to make. Neither one of them stands a chance at ousting Obama, he's the
hand picked puppet, well maybe Romney, but can't see it. To fall for this sham at this day and age is frightening. I can't believe either one of
them would get a single vote, they are completely full of #.

Just came out of a meeting of people, from the public sector (government employees) in Florida. 6 people. All 6 were registered Republicans, which
is an odd thing in government. Democrats are the majority here.

When the discussion turned to voting in tomorrow's primary, 4 of the 6 have decided not to vote tomorrow. Too much negativity flying back and forth
between Mitt and Newt. They don't trust either candidate. NOBODY likes Santorum, and they are scared to vote RP, he has been painted as extreme.
So, their solution is to not vote at all. Of the other 2, one was a very vocal RP supporter, and then there was me, and I simply observed and offered
up RP as a better solution than staying home, but most of them had their minds made up.

Informal poll, of 6, educated, very involved, and politically savvy, registered Republicans, and the consensus was 66% will refuse to vote and 33%
will vote RP.

I'm in Southwest Florida. Wish I could have better news. Ran into a LOT OF PEOPLE voting Santorum.. kind of makes you question what world you are
living in... Scary. I'd rather have Grinch or Robomney than Santorum. People really want to get into Iran it sounds like and blow up their High
School science class centrifuges.

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