The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents-the request of the Air Force-verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it

Or, that's when they learned whatever it was that they learned that made them so adamant about covering the aliens up.

I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

Lsherm:I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

Lsherm:I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

They've been drip fed Paul's picture for the last 60 plus years so people wouldn't freak out.

The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

LordJiro:The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

Sorry, sci-fi fans.

Unless God decided to put them there. Having placed us upon the Earth, it would have been easy for Him to place them nearby.

Lsherm:I don't buy it. Why would a UFO and aliens in the 50s look exactly like Hollywood thought UFOs looked in the 50s? A flying saucer? Please, it doesn't make sense from any aerodynamic or space travel perspective.

There's a pretty good PBS documentary where they basically said that every UFO ever was an experimental plane that they wanted to hide. Wouldn't be entirely surprised if this was a case of left hand (FBI) being unaware of right hand (USAF secret experiments)

/Forget the name//But they had actual flying saucers at one point, thanks to Nazi science.

LordJiro:The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

PainInTheASP:So let me get this straight. A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah. Totally believable. By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year? All of them?

Yes, actually. Hoover was a famous micro-manager, and the FBI was much smaller back then. His correspondence with field office directors and even individual agents was ENORMOUS. And this memo to him is from the Special Agent in Charge in DC, based on a report from a redacted informant to a redacted special agent (probably in New Mexico). It's probably the last one before Hoover said, "OK, these are all bullshiat; stop sending me UFO reports."

You can find gigantic piles in the archives of field reports about erroneous crap that informers told the FBI, which had no basis in reality. Like this one from some loony claiming that an unnamed Air Force investigator had told him about a UFO crash. RTFM; you can click on it and zoom in to make it readable.

Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.

Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Whenever the White House wants to distract the Press, they release a UFO. For example, Obama shooting a shotgun, but holding it the wrong way and pointing it in the wrong direction. The crazies pick that shiat up and run with it, totally missing any real news.

Don't try to tell anyone FN is run by a Brit, either. That's not a UFO, it's just crazy.

My crazy mother in law used to send memos addressed to Hoover ALL the time. She would read the scandal rags and conclude who the guilty party was and send J. Edgar himself a memo about it. She was so persistent and so profoundly irritating that the FBI called our county cops to see if they could do something about her!Yes my late mother in law harassed the FBI! Mrs Kravitz had nothing on my mother in law.

Electromax:Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.

Joe Rogan says there's governemnt documents that say the wreckage was flown in two separate planes to Ohio or indiana or some shiat, and then I think he also claims that there's other doceumtns saying that at the same time, President Eisenhower or whomever was the Parzadent at the time was flown there that same day. GET OUT YOUR TINFOIL HATS ZOMG

LordJiro:The odds against ANY alien life living anywhere near Earth (and existing at the same time as humanity) are astronomical. Let alone intelligent creatures with recognizably humanoid features who live near enough to visit

mbillips:PainInTheASP: So let me get this straight. A memo to the FBI DIRECTOR about a flying saucer that crashed was: "...simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Yeah. Totally believable. By the way, how many memos did the FBI director get sent during any given year? All of them?

Yes, actually. Hoover was a famous micro-manager, and the FBI was much smaller back then. His correspondence with field office directors and even individual agents was ENORMOUS. And this memo to him is from the Special Agent in Charge in DC, based on a report from a redacted informant to a redacted special agent (probably in New Mexico). It's probably the last one before Hoover said, "OK, these are all bullshiat; stop sending me UFO reports."

You can find gigantic piles in the archives of field reports about erroneous crap that informers told the FBI, which had no basis in reality. Like this one from some loony claiming that an unnamed Air Force investigator had told him about a UFO crash. RTFM; you can click on it and zoom in to make it readable.

Anyway, if this were any sort of proof, and the FBI were trying to cover it up, would they publish it in their online archive? That's not how conspiracies work.

Oh there you go bringing sensibility into this. WE'LL HAVE NONE OF THAT, MISTER.

serial_crusher:The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents-the request of the Air Force-verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it

Or, that's when they learned whatever it was that they learned that made them so adamant about covering the aliens up.

They learned that nothing is uglier than a naked alien. You'd cover them up too.

LordJiro:Electromax: Generally speaking, it seems sort of weird that the discovery of extraterrestrial life would be covered up for 50+ years. Wouldn't NASA have gotten some memos/guidance about switching up their priorities? Wouldn't the little green bodies be shriveled and decayed by now to the point that scientific advantage (which has apparently not manifest in military tech) would no longer be gained? What would be the point of hiding it this long, in the sense of protecting a secret or getting an advantage over other nations? Just to avoid a War of the Worlds public freakout?

And why wouldn't the mothership send more dudes to recover them? Seems like we would.

Well, according to MIB, it's better to withhold untold scientific advancements because "people are panicky'.

Yeah, I spose.

I would love for this to be true but I'm too skeptical to believe it. I will say that my brother in law used to work as an MP at Groom Lake AFB and he sort of grins when I asked about that but he DID say there was technology in there that he considered more advanced than the general public would be comfortable with so it hasn't been "unveiled" yet.

I've always taken this to mean things like military drones or bio weapons or surveillance tech, but he still refuses to talk about it to anyone due to clearance concerns or whatever. Most likely he's just pulling my leg but it's fun to daydream about.