There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring, said Stephens. Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.

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Put aside all religious issues, and current scandals. I'm drilling it down to a sovereignty issue.

The Vatican was there as a nation/state before the UN. You don't get to wipe it away with the stroke of a pen just 'cuz you don't like religion.

If the Vatican was there first, perhaps they can disband the UN with a stroke of a pen as well?

There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring, said Stephens. Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.

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Put aside all religious issues, and current scandals. I'm drilling it down to a sovereignty issue.

The Vatican was there as a nation/state before the UN. You don't get to wipe it away with the stroke of a pen just 'cuz you don't like religion.

If the Vatican was there first, perhaps they can disband the UN with a stroke of a pen as well?

Here's what pisses me off about Dawkins. It's not enough for him to simply be an athiest and let other believe as they want. He seems insistent on attacking people for their faith (I say that as a person that is not particularly religious).

Here's what pisses me off about Dawkins. It's not enough for him to simply be an athiest and let other believe as they want. He seems insistent on attacking people for their faith (I say that as a person that is not particularly religious).

In that light, he's on par with the most fervent evangelicals.

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I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic, and I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the same about Michael Moore - I agree with him on a lot of issues, but I intensely dislike him because he's an ASSHOLE.

Here's what pisses me off about Dawkins. It's not enough for him to simply be an athiest and let other believe as they want. He seems insistent on attacking people for their faith (I say that as a person that is not particularly religious).

In that light, he's on par with the most fervent evangelicals.

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I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic, and I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the same about Michael Moore - I agree with him on a lot of issues, but I intensely dislike him because he's an ASSHOLE.

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That's it. The guy is an asshole. I take umbrage with his attempts to take science and discredit religion. Again, other side of the same coin as ID.

If he want's to reach his own conclusions on the matter that is fine, but no scientific journal will accept a paper that "disproves God".

Here's what pisses me off about Dawkins. It's not enough for him to simply be an athiest and let other believe as they want. He seems insistent on attacking people for their faith (I say that as a person that is not particularly religious).

In that light, he's on par with the most fervent evangelicals.

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I'm somewhere between an Atheist and an Agnostic, and I agree wholeheartedly.

I think the same about Michael Moore - I agree with him on a lot of issues, but I intensely dislike him because he's an ASSHOLE.

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That's it. The guy is an asshole. I take umbrage with his attempts to take science and discredit religion. Again, other side of the same coin as ID.

If he want's to reach his own conclusions on the matter that is fine, but no scientific journal will accept a paper that "disproves God".

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