I do not drink other than water or tea, I thought I made that perfectly clear.

Yeah, right, and your wife is perfect, and you're both like supermen when it comes to gun safety.

If you're going to make one ludicrous claim after another then how am I to separate the chaff from any wheat that might happen to be present, if any. Until you start making sense so that I can gain some sense of trust in what you say then I'm going to bet you're a wet drunk, which would explain why you say so many of the things you do.

My point was it does not matter the bad guys can get guns that will fire as many times as an ar15 whether guns are legal or not.

What you actually said was:

Why not make 10 and band them together. Then make another 80 or a hundred. That way you could fire a 110 times before you had to reload. But if you had someone reloading them for you it would mean you could shoot a lot more times.

Suggesting that a pickup load of homemade single shot shotguns, weighing hundreds of pounds, and accompanied by an accomplice of course, is in some way equivalent to a semi-automatic rifle that can be carried and reloaded on the run and hidden under a coat. You are spouting ignorant and dishonest bullshit. What does your buddy Jesus think about that?

Sadly, it's usually a child who pays the price for this kind of irresponsibility. This man is an idiot, and if his gun owning friends are actually as incompetent as he is, then he has truly found a layer of bottom-feeding scum.

If you want, search for Sam Harris' description of how a responsible person (with a measurable probability of actually facing the situation this Walter Mitty wannabe dreams about) treats his firearms.

As someone who grew up in a culture of hunters, I have to point out to Icant that he is, put simply, viewed as an asshole by the people he imagines are his peers.

But just think what everybody would have thought when Jesus reached down and picked up the head and set it in place and patted him on the head and said lets go.

The ear did not even register with them.

Your solution to the grisly violence that you would deliberately inflict on a fellow human, in deliberate disobedience to Jesus' wishes, is a magical cure? Really?

Gun violence is a serious issue in the US. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to have a better solution than magic. Because not a single gunshot wound...not one, is currently being cured by magic.

Your solution to the grisly violence that you would deliberately inflict on a fellow human, in deliberate disobedience to Jesus' wishes, is a magical cure? Really?

It would have been a much more dramatic scene than cutting off an ear.You forget Peter was protecting Jesus and I would have been doing the same even though He would not have needed any help.

But that does not have anything to do with me being able to own and bear arms which the Constitution gives me the right to do.

Aussie writes:

Gun violence is a serious issue in the US.

In 2016 we had:40,000 motor vehicle-related deaths39,000 people firearm-related deaths of which 22,018 were suicide.64,000 people drug overdose-related deaths62,000 men and 26,000 women died from alcohol related causes.2,226 died from malnutrition. 44,193 suicide's 22,018 guns, 11855 suffocation, 6816 poison.

So the 22,018 firearm suicide's would have been a different form but would have taken place guns or no guns.

The 64,000 deaths from drug overdose is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.

The 88,000 deaths due to alcohol related causes is a much worse epidemic than gun deaths.

The 18,671 suicide's by means other than guns tell you guns are not required.

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights. But then alcohol is not a constitutional right as well as drugs.

So why don't we hear a lot more about all these other problems. No we just got to take away everybody's guns and then there will be no gun deaths. That is a pipe dream. Gun deaths would probably triple if guns were outlawed.

OK get off the soap box ICANT.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

So the 22,018 firearm suicide's would have been a different form but would have taken place guns or no guns.

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights.

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

Gun deaths would probably triple if guns were outlawed.

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates? Why did the gun death rate decline in Australia in the years after they outlawed, bought back, and confiscated guns?

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

People in the US are a lot different than the folks from the UK. I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.

People in the US are morally depraved, spoiled rotten and capable of doing anything. Also willing to do anything without even thinking about it. Everybody makes their own rules.

Percy writes:

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

I believe in workfare for those who are able to work. I also believe we should take care of those who can not help themselves.

Maybe that is because I have worked since I was 7 years old. I did not have an allowance like kids do today. If I wanted something I had to get it by working for whatever I could get to barter with. I have never been without a job since I was 14 unless I chose to be.

Percy writes:

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates?

There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.

Why does Chicago have the gun violence they have as they have some of the strictest gun laws anywhere?

Australia is 55 times the size of Florida and has a population of 4 million more that Florida. I would think the density of the population would have a lot to do with the death rates as it does in our large cities.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

What, no claims that you and your wife are superhuman, or that you're as good and fast a shot as a half century ago, or that you don't need a lockbox to keep your guns safe? I'd almost believe you wrote this while sober if you didn't go on to say yet more crazy stuff.

ICANT writes:

Percy writes:

Really? Given that the suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6, how do you conclude that?

People in the US are a lot different than the folks from the UK.

People in the US and the UK are pretty much the same. The only society more similar to us than the UK is Canada.

I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.

I've lived in the United States all my life, have never worried about somebody kicking my door in during the night, and nobody ever has.

People in the US are morally depraved, spoiled rotten and capable of doing anything. Also willing to do anything without even thinking about it. Everybody makes their own rules.

There you go saying nutty things again. People in the US are pretty much the same as in the UK.

So why don't you try again. The suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6. What explains this if not widespread gun availability in the US?

Percy writes:

But the biggest problem I see with those stats are the 2,226 that die from malnutrition. That is a disgrace in a country that throws away more food than many countries have for their total population. And is totally preventable without infringing on anyone's Constitutional rights.

So you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

I believe in workfare for those who are able to work. I also believe we should take care of those who can not help themselves.

So how are you going to prevent those 2,226 deaths from malnutrition? You don't really believe your workfare answer, do you, that sending people dying from malnutrition to work is going to solve the problem, so are you in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

Maybe that is because I have worked since I was 7 years old. I did not have an allowance like kids do today. If I wanted something I had to get it by working for whatever I could get to barter with. I have never been without a job since I was 14 unless I chose to be.

So that's your answer? Everyone should be more like you? What if they're not like you, then what? You're not going to do nothing, right? You called it a disgrace that 2,226 people die from malnutrition. What are you going to do besides tell them, "Be more like me."

Percy writes:

Then why are gun death rates the lowest in states with the lowest gun ownership rates?

There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.

Bzzzt - wrong again. Check out this graph showing the correlation between gun death rates and gun ownership rates:

Why does Chicago have the gun violence they have as they have some of the strictest gun laws anywhere?

There are two problems with this claim. First, it is false. Chicago used to have very strict gun laws, but conservative politicians have chipped away at these laws. You don't even need to get a permit anymore. Second, Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions with lax gun control laws. A ten minute drive takes you outside the city limits where you can buy all the guns you like.

Australia is 55 times the size of Florida and has a population of 4 million more that Florida. I would think the density of the population would have a lot to do with the death rates as it does in our large cities.

Most of Australia is virtually empty. Care to try again? Here's a population map:

You said stuff both crazy and wrong. Could I suggest that a bit of research beats blowing smoke every time?

People in the US and the UK are pretty much the same. The only society more similar to us than the UK is Canada.

I think The Taliban and Isis is much more similar to us than the residents of the UK minus their radicals are.

Percy writes:

I've lived in the United States all my life, have never worried about somebody kicking my door in during the night, and nobody ever has.

Neither has anyone ever kicked my door in either. But if they had they would have wished they hadn't.

There are 3.7 million homes broken into each year. That comes to 7 homes every minute.

1 million of those were with people in the home.

41% of those involved guns by the thief.

Criminals don't get anything 55% of the time when someone is home.

Each year a shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender however they shoot the offender only 8% of the time. The rest of the time it is used to scare the offender away.

You see we have been a couple of the lucky ones.

Percy writes:

So why don't you try again. The suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6. What explains this if not widespread gun availability in the US?

You make that statement as if all the deaths were by guns which is misleading.

Firearms in US are responsible for 50.9% of the suicides. = 6.9733 per 100,000

The UK number seems to be a little wrong as there was 5,821 which comes out to 8.817 per 100,000 with Hanging & suffocation responsible for 51.7% of the suicides.

People who want to commit suicide will find a way guns or no guns.

Percy writes:

So how are you going to prevent those 2,226 deaths from malnutrition? You don't really believe your workfare answer, do you, that sending people dying from malnutrition to work is going to solve the problem, so are you in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

If those who were able to work was doing so that would relieve a lot of money that could be used to see that the 2,226 had food to eat.

You do know there is over 7 million unfilled jobs in the US today.

Percy writes:

What are you going to do besides tell them, "Be more like me."

Distribute food every week.

Percy writes:

Bzzzt - wrong again. Check out this graph showing the correlation between gun death rates and gun ownership rates:

Nobody knows who has guns and who does not have guns. So any conclusion made is just guessing.

Percy writes:

There are two problems with this claim. First, it is false. Chicago used to have very strict gun laws, but conservative politicians have chipped away at these laws. You don't even need to get a permit anymore. Second, Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions with lax gun control laws. A ten minute drive takes you outside the city limits where you can buy all the guns you like.

How can you blame conservatives when Chicago has been run the past 84 years by the democrats?

How would you propose to eliminate the availability of guns in the US? Especially when you can go to the hardware store and purchase material to build a weapon for less than $20. You can also make your own gun powder in less than 30 minutes. Primer takes longer.

There are people that has enough material to manufacture million of rounds of ammunition that would have to be eliminated if it could be found.

As long as there is money to be made from buyers there will be guns for sale.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

People in the US and the UK are pretty much the same. The only society more similar to us than the UK is Canada.

I think The Taliban and Isis is much more similar to us than the residents of the UK minus their radicals are.

Drinking during the day again? How can anyone take you seriously if you're going to make provocatively insipid statements like this?

Percy writes:

ICANT writes:

I lived among those folks for 15 years where I could not have my guns. And I did not worry about somebody kicking my door in during the night.

I've lived in the United States all my life, have never worried about somebody kicking my door in during the night, and nobody ever has.

Neither has anyone ever kicked my door in either. But if they had they would have wished they hadn't.

You're primed and loaded and completely missing the point, half shot. Neither of us worries about "somebody kicking in my door," but you're the one placing yourself in greater danger by having firearms around the house, particularly that are loaded and not locked up.

41% of those involved guns by the thief.

You might want to check your figures on this.

Each year a shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender...

This would be just incredible if true. You've got 2/3 of homeowners scaring off their offenders with guns when only 1/3 of households have guns. Are burglars somehow drawn to households with guns?

You see we have been a couple of the lucky ones.

You're the one exposed to the greater danger, so you're the luckier one.

Percy writes:

So why don't you try again. The suicide rate in the US (rampant guns) is 13.7 per 100,000 people while in the UK (very few guns) it's 7.6. What explains this if not widespread gun availability in the US?

You make that statement as if all the deaths were by guns which is misleading.

There's no such implication. The US has a greater suicide rate than the UK because guns are a more lethal means of suicide than any other means, and the US has far more guns. Check out this chart of many countries with both lower and higher suicide rates than the US. Look at the much higher proportion of suicide by gun in the US as compared to all other countries:

The UK number seems to be a little wrong as there was 5,821 which comes out to 8.817 per 100,000 with Hanging & suffocation responsible for 51.7% of the suicides.

That's an obviously false thing to say, sottie. Guns are the best method for impulsive suicides. Other means require more preparation and/or planning, providing opportunity for changing one's mind.

Percy writes:

So how are you going to prevent those 2,226 deaths from malnutrition? You don't really believe your workfare answer, do you, that sending people dying from malnutrition to work is going to solve the problem, so are you in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services?

If those who were able to work was doing so that would relieve a lot of money that could be used to see that the 2,226 had food to eat.

You do know there is over 7 million unfilled jobs in the US today.

Sounds like we could use increased immigration.

Percy writes:

What are you going to do besides tell them, "Be more like me."

Distribute food every week.

So now we've come full circle. Repeating my question from a couple messages ago, does this mean you're in favor of increased funding for welfare and social services

Percy writes:

There are probably a lot more crooks and gangs in those areas.

Bzzzt - wrong again. Check out this graph showing the correlation between gun death rates and gun ownership rates:

Nobody knows who has guns and who does not have guns. So any conclusion made is just guessing.

Unsurprisingly, you're not making any sense. Look at the top state with the most guns and the most gun deaths: Alaska. Do you really think there are (to quote you) "a lot more crooks and gangs" in Alaska? The other states in that upper right hand corner are Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, New Mexico, Montana, West Virginia and Wyoming. Do you think there are "a lot more crooks and gangs" in those primarily rural states, too?

On the other side of the ledger, the more urban states (presumably with more crooks and gangs) that have fewer gun owners also have fewer gun deaths, like New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut and California.

Percy writes:

There are two problems with this claim. First, it is false. Chicago used to have very strict gun laws, but conservative politicians have chipped away at these laws. You don't even need to get a permit anymore. Second, Chicago is surrounded by jurisdictions with lax gun control laws. A ten minute drive takes you outside the city limits where you can buy all the guns you like.

How can you blame conservatives when Chicago has been run the past 84 years by the Democrats?

Surely you're not suggesting that liberals chipped away at Chicago's gun laws. Conservatives have little power in Chicago, not zero power.

How would you propose to eliminate the availability of guns in the US?

I don't want to eliminate all gun ownership, just most. Hunting rifles are okay. Handguns and assault rifles are not.

You're primed and loaded and completely missing the point, half shot. Neither of us worries about "somebody kicking in my door," but you're the one placing yourself in greater danger by having firearms around the house, particularly that are loaded and not locked up.

quote:According to the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, and other reputable sources, in the United States:One property crime happens every 4 seconds.One burglary occurs every 20 seconds.One violent crime occurs every 25 seconds.One aggravated assault occurs every 45 seconds.One robbery occurs every 90 seconds.One rape or attempted rape occurs every 5 minutes.

Home Invasion Crime Statistics and Facts:According to a United States Department of Justice report:38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.Over 2,000,000 homes will experience a break-in or burglary this year. There are over 4,500 home burglaries per day in the United States.The average number of home invasions per year was 1,030,000 between 1994 and 2010.Whether it is workplace violence, home invasions, car jacking, armed robbery, rape, identity theft or any of a number of other crimes, YOU need to take control and arm yourself with the best available preventive measures.

quote:“Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.“

quote:How many home invasions were stopped by guns?The government doesn't put a lot of emphasis on defensive gun use. Estimates show that 500,000 to 3 million defensive gun uses occur each year.

How many times do victims use a gun to scare their offender?A shocking 2.5 million victims use a gun to scare their offender. That's almost 5 law-abiding citizens a minute. However, victims only shoot their offender 8% of the time. They mostly use the firearm to scare their offender away.

Crime victims are not necessarily always victims of home invasions or burglaries. Many of those defensive uses of weapons take place other than in the home.

Percy I know you were probably taught to check your brain when you entered the classroom and that is the reason for your utter contempt for guns or gun lovers. So we will never agree on anything concerning guns so it is a waste of time for either of us to continue to discuss the situation so '30'.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."