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BTW - all we either need to move this thread to pro or cut the specific price info out. The other thing is at this point I think we've truly high-jacked NINAX's thread, hopefully he's sitting back laughing at the debate he triggered!

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TThe interface has to be simple to use and allow access to the couple of things required, preferablly bolted to the wall and nothing else, the loytech touchscreen would be ideal if I could get them at a better price.

Goverment networks mostly that are all very touchy regarding access etc. So it has to be stand alone.
Dazza

For the feature set the LVIS touch panel is significantly less $/point than the competition. Maybe the "problem" is that LVIS has more points, more alarms, more schedules, more trends, action items, triggers, email, VNC server, mathematical objects and animations. What happens with touch panels is you want to always do "one more thing". LVIS does the "one more thing" without Windows OS issues. It just works.

For the feature set the LVIS touch panel is significantly less $/point than the competition. Maybe the "problem" is that LVIS has more points, more alarms, more schedules, more trends, action items, triggers, email, VNC server, mathematical objects and animations. What happens with touch panels is you want to always do "one more thing". LVIS does the "one more thing" without Windows OS issues. It just works.

We sell a ton of them. Especially on government jobs.

The fact that it does all of the above is great and I certainly think it is good value for money but it is way over the top in features for what my clients are looking for.

They dont want trends, action items, triggers, email, vnc server, math, animations, they just want to view several units status and access a schedule occasionally and maybe tweak a setpoint from time to time.

They dont want trends, action items, triggers, email, vnc server, math, animations, they just want to view several units status and access a schedule occasionally and maybe tweak a setpoint from time to time.

The fact that it does all of the above is great and I certainly think it is good value for money but it is way over the top in features for what my clients are looking for. They dont want....
Dazza

Really? Then why do you sell them Tridium, VI, Plexus, etc... (you get the point)? Facts are it does the same thing the web servers do for consistency. However, I acquiesce that some people will want something cheap and risk needing to know multiple products to get varying degrees of "job done" rather than sticking to a plan and doing a couple things really well. Facts are your labor is the bigger cost.... every time. This includes the soft costs of support and product reliability. Some people actually bought Yugos and they did manage to get people around for awhile.