Minutes:2010-01-10 HackTing2010

[18:07] *** Das Kanalthema lautet: „Discussion channel for a hackerspaces meetup in 2010 || IRC meeting Sunday evening at 19:00 (that's 20:00 for the Finns) -- agenda here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || FYI: Two hours after this meeting begins, a global hackerspace call-in is arranged: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Call-in/2010-01-10“.
[18:07] *** Das Thema wurde am 10-01-2010 10:22 von jchillerup!~aaa@hald.gbar.dtu.dk gesetzt.
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[18:08] *** Kanal wurde erstellt am: 01-01-2010 14:48.
[18:09] <jchillerup> ptrf: certainly
[18:12] <jchillerup> The channel will not be +m, since it is too difficult to keep track of the list of people wanting to say something while having a discussion. However, please consider writing long statements, and avoid repeating stuff that's already been said.
[18:12] <jchillerup> (the meeting starts in ~50 min)
[18:36] --> panton hat den Kanal betreten (~panton@1608ds1-vby.0.fullrate.dk).
[18:37] --> rreipas hat den Kanal betreten (~reipas@cassowary.riseup.net).
[18:40] *** anelma nennt sich jetzt elmom.
[18:41] <elmom> Even 2 nicks from Finland :)
[18:41] <jchillerup> great
[18:41] <jchillerup> both from 5W?
[18:42] <elmom> Helsinki, actually.
[18:42] <jchillerup> oh, how are they doing? I see Finland has four spaces, are they all active
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[18:43] <-- panton hat den Server verlassen (Remote host closed the connection).
[18:45] <elmom> 2 are very actively starting, 1 is just an idea, and of the 3rd, we know nothing about, so not regarded as anything. Was added anonymously, googling ht name gave nothing hackerly.
[18:47] <elmom> At least in helsinki, we will be renting a space as soon as possible, definitely before summer, hopefully a lot sooner. Money is the only issue, as usual :)
[18:48] <jchillerup> Heh, but that's great
[18:48] <elmom> kyb3r is from 5w, hopefully will show up.
[18:50] <jchillerup> ok
[18:50] <jchillerup> that's good
[18:51] <jchillerup> I have no cola
[18:51] *** Sie sind jetzt als carl^aarhus bekannt.
[18:52] *** jchillerup setzt das Kanalthema auf „Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: N/A“.
[18:54] --> olleolleolle hat den Kanal betreten (~webchat@127.0.0.1).
[18:54] <olleolleolle> and wow.
[18:54] <olleolleolle> I visited a place called Tangopalatset tonight. http://www.tangopalatset.se/ and talked to the manager. They have a stage, bars, sound system (including sound guy). You know, the Conference kinda place.
[18:54] <jchillerup> Hi!
[18:55] <jchillerup> great. We'll be starting shortly
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[18:57] * jchillerup pours a glass of chocolate milk
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[18:59] <jchillerup> OK
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[19:00] *** jchillerup setzt das Kanalthema auf „Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: “.
[19:00] *** jchillerup setzt das Kanalthema auf „Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: CCC recap“.
[19:01] <jchillerup> Thank you all for /joining us today at this meeting concerning creating a Scandinavian hackerspace event. I'm JC from Labitat, and I have no super-powers whatsoever.
[19:01] <jchillerup> As said we're going to discuss a trans-Scandinavian hackerspace event. This idea came up at a Scandinavian hackerspace meeting at the 26c3 conference. The meeting went as described on http://www.lolpad.org/scanhack -- generally just a status meeting with people from all over Scandinavia.
[19:01] <jchillerup> The status of hackerspaces in Scandinavia is that we do have spaces (avg. 3 per country), but all of the spaces are relatively now. At the CCC we talked about creating an event this summer to which we invite all of the spaces in Scandinavia to come and socialize, have talks, workshops and parties. It seems you guys are interested in that, too, so let's discuss it.
[19:02] <jchillerup> I think we can use the fact that all of the spaces are relatively new to learn a lot from each other.
[19:03] <jchillerup> Does anybody have anything to add to what happened at the CCC Scandinavia workshop?
[19:03] <olleolleolle> Ambition level of conference: Tricky. Experience from Hacknight (Malmö, summer 2009) was "with luck, we managed to run a day-long conf for 100 peeps".
[19:04] --> nose hat den Kanal betreten (~webchat@127.0.0.1).
[19:05] <olleolleolle> Hacknight had 1 speaker track and 1 workshop track. People came from all over Skåne, and also from CPH and some friends from the rest of Sweden. Since it was a 1-night-only event, there was no sleeping arrangement problem, which is a hard problem to solve, otherwise.
[19:05] --> elhaard hat den Kanal betreten (~webchat@127.0.0.1).
[19:05] <olleolleolle> Hacknight also tried to solve the "feeding the 5000" problem. Perhaps that was overreaching.
[19:05] <carl^aarhus> i did not know there was a Scandinavian meeting at the CCC. Was there a note in the 26c3 wiki?
[19:05] * olleolleolle tries to leave as much information as possible before leaving.
[19:06] <olleolleolle> carl^aarhus: It was impromptu, added ad-hoc.
[19:06] == jchillerup changed the topic of #scanhack to: Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: Discussion about ScanHack2010
[19:06] <elhaard> But it was on the wiki
[19:06] <@jchillerup> Olleolleolle from Forskningsavdelningen in Sweden proposed having it in Malmö, and I think that's a good idea. Comments?
[19:07] <olleolleolle> What kind of price and scale do you want/expect/wanna work for? Number of participants, length of event, kinds of service.
[19:07] <@jchillerup> 50-60 participants won't be unattainable, I think
[19:07] <@elmom> Well, that's the best available venue I suppose (Utkanten then?).
[19:09] <@jchillerup> The question is if people are allowed to sleep in Utkanten. Olle said he visited http://www.tangopalatset.se/ today and it looked good and conference-esque. However, we don't have a lot of money. So unless people are willing to pay upfront some time in advance I suppose it is not an option, or am I missing something?
[19:09] <olleolleolle> jchillerup: You're not missing anything.
[19:10] <@o> One of the ideas was to have an outdoors/semi-outdoors kinda thing, as there is no CCC or HAR-like event this summer.
[19:10] <olleolleolle> (Please note: Utkanten does not offer the opportunity to run a bar service.)
[19:10] <@jchillerup> Outdoor could be nice. We can make good use of the Swedish Allemannsrät (sp?) that allows people to camp in and near forests for free, as long sa they clean after themselves.
[19:11] <@o> Doesn't .dk have more liberal laws concerning bars?
[19:11] <@o> jchillerup: Not a bad idea.
[19:11] <olleolleolle> Thinking more of scale: If we're 50-60 people it might be overkill with a spacious place Utkanten, also.
[19:11] <@jchillerup> Yes. If you're throwing a private party (that is, not open to anyone without signing up or prior invitation) you are allowed to sell alcohol.
[19:12] <olleolleolle> Outdoor, this matches what syn2cat just announced. HaxoGreen.
[19:12] <@elmom> Is alocholo really an issue?
[19:12] <@jchillerup> I wouldn't mind ScanHack being a larger event; the question is, however, if we can get more interested people than that.
[19:12] <@jchillerup> UNLESS we team up with hackerspaces.net and throw the hackerspaces festival in Sweden/Denmark
[19:12] <@jchillerup> /Finland/Norway/wherever
[19:13] <olleolleolle> elmom: I'd like to run a "no-drinking" event. http://events.hackerspace.lu/camp/2010/wiki/HaxoGreen is the Luxembourg event.
[19:13] <carl^aarhus> you need a lot of planing to do that
[19:13] <@jchillerup> BUT I have not talked with them about that possibility, and we should not expect anything at this point.
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[19:13] <carl^aarhus> maybe it would be a better idea to make a smal gathering. Under 100 ppl.
[19:14] <@o> I think that people have been talking past eachother, some have been thinking about this as an scandinavian hackerspaces meetup kinda thing, and some as an even broader event (like summer CCC or HAR, but smaller but not limited to scandinavians or hackerspaces). Plus that there is an international hackerspace event this summer, no?
[19:14] <carl^aarhus> if everything goes well we can make a bigger one next year
[19:14] <olleolleolle> Babel is a club space in Malmö. Stage, bars. Quite spacious. http://babelmalmo.se/
[19:14] <@elmom> olleolleolle, I "no-drinkin" would nice.
[19:14] <elhaard> I think that an international event (i.e. invting people from outside Scandinavia) will be too risky for our first event
[19:14] <@jchillerup> Yeah. I agree with carl^aarhus. I think we should keep it below 100 people (for logistical reasons), and I wouldn't mind having a no-drinking event.
[19:15] <@jchillerup> However, I'm not going to stop people from drinking if they so desire...
[19:15] <seal-from-abben> hello everyone, I'm seal from abbenay (stockholm), sorry I'm late (technical problems)
[19:15] <@o> np
[19:15] <carl^aarhus> hi seal-from-abben
[19:15] <@jchillerup> OK. So we agree on a small event, <100 people, primarily from Scandinavia, in either Sweden or Denmark. Right?
[19:16] <elhaard> Right
[19:16] <carl^aarhus> right
[19:16] <@jchillerup> We don't need to find a venue at this meeting. Just a general outline of what we're seeking.
[19:16] <@o> This "smaller event" seems like the quarterly scandinavian hackerspace meetups we (or some of us) where talking about.
[19:17] == jchillerup changed the topic of #scanhack to: Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: When should the conference happen?
[19:17] <@o> We are starting to plan this now, about half a year in advance. I think we _can_ make it big.
[19:17] <@jchillerup> o: Yes. Exactly. It can grow, but for now I think it's overly ambitious to plan for a quad-yearly thing.
[19:17] <olleolleolle> Outdoors camp-style event – opportunity to build a DOME. In Malmö, I know a group of dome enthusiasts who constructed a 6 meter diameter dome last summer.
[19:17] <@o> As for when, lets search for other hacker like events this summer, to not collide with them.
[19:18] <@jchillerup> Yes. I did that, and found late june/early july to be the best
[19:18] <@jchillerup> later in july comes HOPE, Blackhat and Defcon.
[19:19] <carl^aarhus> what the heck is a DOME?
[19:19] <olleolleolle> jchillerup: that date range is "when many folks have time off work". Some folks go abroad, some can't afford it and are thusly at home. Some are with family during that time. It's ripe with opportunity. And conflict.
[19:19] <@jchillerup> Haxogreen is in late July
[19:19] <elhaard> Would it be an advantage or disadvantage to have it close to Roskilde Festival? Or is that irrelevant?
[19:19] <@o> olleolleolle: We have a large network of creative people in malmö who i think would gladly help, even though they are not (currently) active and/or interested in hacker spaces.
[19:19] <@jchillerup> I think Roskilde Festival is irrelevant.
[19:19] <@jchillerup> olleolleolle: were you considering September?
[19:19] <@jchillerup> - or?
[19:19] <olleolleolle> carl^aarhus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic_dome a quick-to-build structure.
[19:20] <olleolleolle> jchillerup: no, in 5-7 months from now.
[19:20] <@jchillerup> That's mid-June to mid-August.
[19:20] <carl^aarhus> thanks olleolleolle
[19:20] <@jchillerup> That's basically the same dates as I propoesed...
[19:20] <@o> what have we? juny, july or august?
[19:21] <@o> ok
[19:22] <olleolleolle> Event site: If it's 100 people at a camp site, during high summer season, perhaps we need to book venues now.
[19:22] <@o> I'm leaning towards August.
[19:22] <@jchillerup> All right.
[19:23] <@jchillerup> 6-8 August perhaps?
[19:23] <@o> And I won't be able to make it in late June.
[19:24] <@jchillerup> OK. Let's settle for August for now.
[19:24] <@o> Yeah, why not? I think it's right before school start in .se
[19:24] <olleolleolle> This makes things depend much on summer availability of venues.
[19:24] <@jchillerup> ... with 6-8 August being the prospect weekend :)
[19:24] <olleolleolle> Good to have a prospect date range, of course.
[19:25] <@jchillerup> olleolleolle: What is the alternative? As I see it August is likely to be less booked than, say, June
[19:25] <olleolleolle> Let's make a list of acceptable venues in the region. Should this be a venue "just outside Malmö" or is "the larger Skåne region" ok?
[19:26] <@jchillerup> August is still warm enough to have an outdoors event. I wouldn't mind sleeping in a tent, for example. Anyway, we now have a prospective date, and I think we should move on.
[19:26] <@o> We have a small but interesting city to do it in, if we're talking about Malmö. Malmö is easy to move around in, no distance is really far and it would be kinda fun to spread out activities, location-wise. :D
[19:26] <@jchillerup> I think the exact place is of little importance, and it is something to be taken care of by the coordinating group
[19:27] <@jchillerup> ... which currently comprises of kyb3r, olleolleolle and me.
[19:27] <elhaard> But we need to agree on the type of venue. Do we want a camping ground, some lecture halls (e.g. at a univesity), or a hackerspace?
[19:28] <@o> Do we?
[19:29] <olleolleolle> SO, for activities at the event, I've expressed interest in running an electronics room, where there are seats with some basic tools, so that one may buy kits and make them.
[19:29] <@o> But yeah, we should talk about the "main event" prehaps.
[19:29] <@jchillerup> yup. but let's stay on topic here.
[19:30] <carl^aarhus> in a univesity we have power, space and internet
[19:31] <@jchillerup> (Should we add a point for discussion about what should happen at the meetup?)
[19:31] <@o> I have contacts with contacts in city planning, and there are a few empty warehouses in Malmö.
[19:32] <rreipas> about the date: 6-8 August overlaps with assembly-party in helsinki.
[19:33] <@o> when is that?
[19:33] <@jchillerup> That's no good.
[19:33] <rreipas> 5-8 Aug assembly summer
[19:33] <@o> ah
[19:33] <@jchillerup> What about the 13-15 then?
[19:34] <@jchillerup> We could also go for weekdays, but I suppose some people have work and whatnot.
[19:34] <olleolleolle> Related link, not pertinent to discussion: http://www.assembly.org/winter10/program/robosota Robosota (Fi. robot war)
[19:36] <@o> I think a week-end is better, yeah.
[19:36] <olleolleolle> jchillerup: As long as we have a target date, we can do some scouring work with it.
[19:36] <olleolleolle> location-scouting work
[19:36] <@jchillerup> yup. Is a collision with the assembly tolerable (I say no)
[19:37] <elhaard> I would prefer if we could avoid it. The 13-15th sound good.
[19:37] <@jchillerup> OK. So let me round this point off: We have decided that the meetup should be somewhere in Southern Sweden -- exactly where is unimportant -- during the week-end 13th-15th of August. Any more comments as to when the meetup should happen?
[19:38] <olleolleolle> No, go ahead.
[19:38] == jchillerup changed the topic of #scanhack to: Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: What should it be called?
[19:38] <@jchillerup> I think ScanHack2010 is a decent name, as long as we only invite people actively working on/in hackerspaces. But I'm by no means clinging to it, so if people have suggestions for other names or just general comments, please come through with them.
[19:40] <@jchillerup> Nothing?
[19:40] <elhaard> I can definately live with that name. As for funding, location permits, press coverage, it might be better with a name like Scandinavian Creativity 2010
[19:40] <olleolleolle> Crea
[19:41] <@o> "ScanHack" doesn't necessarily have to imply Scandinavian Hackerspaces.
[19:41] <olleolleolle> I'm with elhaard on that point. (Not loving "Scan" as short for Scandinavia.)
[19:42] <olleolleolle> (Perhaps Nord != Nordic for some folks. I'm fine with *that* particular shortening, though.)
[19:42] <elhaard> Nord != Nørd :-)
[19:42] <olleolleolle> Nørdic Meetup
[19:42] <carl^aarhus> NørdHack :D
[19:42] <@elmom> :)
[19:43] <@jchillerup> haha, I kindda like "Nørdic"
[19:43] <olleolleolle> with slash _and_ dot,
[19:43] <@jchillerup> yup!
[19:43] <olleolleolle> to map to Swe/No/Da.
[19:43] <@jchillerup> poor finns
[19:43] <b4k4^^> Nerdic =P
[19:43] <elhaard> Nørdic Days 2010?
[19:43] <@kopimi> scandinavian creativity is a nice name
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[19:43] <@o> how about throwing in "summer" and/or "tinker(ing)"?
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[19:44] <@olleolleolle> (Thinking: Does this "nerd" theme open door towards other parts of fan culture? fan, fandom, cultural geekery)
[19:44] <@elmom> We can have a short name and longer one simultaneously.
[19:44] <@carl^aarhus> Nordic Creativity Festival
[19:44] <@b4k4^^> (broadly interpreted, I'd think so, but I don't know what the "common" definition is)
[19:44] <@olleolleolle> @o, yes I really like "summer". It places things temporally.
[19:45] <@dalurka> Nordic Creativity Meetup ?
[19:45] <@j|GHS> is there a word that is somewhat like "skapa" for "create" in the other nordic languages? cause then we could go with something like "skapism" (create, escapism, etc)
[19:45] <@dalurka> Crea for short?
[19:46] <@elhaard> Nørdic Summer? Nørdic Creation?
[19:46] <@jchillerup> Creation has a "intelligent design" sound to it.
[19:46] <@b4k4^^> j|GHS: "luoda" in Finnish, wouldn't work
[19:46] <@seal-from-abben> creativity feels... meaningless. It doesn't say what will happen or who will come
[19:46] <@o> And I would somehow (if possible) make the name imply that big things are going down in scandinavia 2010, to pep us and others.
[19:47] <@jchillerup> THE CONVENTION 2010
[19:47] <@o> But maybe that is asking too much. ;)
[19:47] <@elmom> Yes, nordic spelling could even replace the word "nord*" for locality, as long as it's recognisable
[19:47] <@olleolleolle> (In the RPG world, there is a pan-Nordic event, which rotates to each of the Nordic countries. Knutepunkt, Knudepunkt, Knutpunkt and Solmukohta is its names.)
[19:47] <@jchillerup> wow.
[19:47] <@elmom> That might work!
[19:48] <@carl^aarhus> 4 names for one event?
[19:48] <@jchillerup> It's the same word.
[19:48] <@b4k4^^> Summer sHack (but the caps suck and descriptivity isn't good)
[19:48] <@o> BETAGOIS2010 - Big Entrancing Things Are Going On In Scandinavia 2010.
[19:49] <@seal-from-abben> olleolleolle: +1, knutpunkt is good inspiration for this event
[19:49] <@b4k4^^> you, big acronyms :P
[19:49] <@b4k4^^> *yum
[19:49] <@olleolleolle> (End-noting the Knutpunkt thing, http://knutpunkt.se/ is where it'll be in 2010.)
[19:50] <@jchillerup> Capacitor '10
[19:50] <@olleolleolle> I expect the sharing of ideas, the meeting of minds, a few practical workshops, maybe some talks, and socialising.
[19:50] <@olleolleolle> jchillerup: Genius, Capacitor is really good.
[19:50] <@jchillerup> Scapacitor
[19:50] <@jchillerup> :), nah capacitor is better than scapacitor
[19:51] <@jchillerup> we could also go for "kondensator" in the various languages
[19:51] <@olleolleolle> Oh, cool, AFK, for a while.
[19:51] <@b4k4^^> ("kondensaattori" in .fi, would be recognisable as the same event)
[19:51] <@jchillerup> capacitor (dk|se|no) is free
[19:52] <@jchillerup> Couldn't check for fi
[19:52] <@elmom> Yes, condensing the awesomeness in the nordic contries temporally and locally :)
[19:52] <@elhaard> Capacitor is a cool name, but it does not say much about the content
[19:52] <@elmom> or consentrating...
[19:52] <@jchillerup> I think it's difficult to tell people everything about hackerspaces in one name
[19:53] <@o> OH! I just came to think about the very typically old scandinavian word "Ting"! And how that could be connected to "tinkering", "tinker-ting" or something?
[19:53] <@jchillerup> Oooh, like "folketing", "landsting", etc?
[19:54] <@o> yeah
[19:54] <@jchillerup> Very, very good!
[19:54] <@elmom> Explain "Ting" to us finns :)
[19:54] <@o> as in http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ting_(forsamling)
[19:54] <@o> for example
[19:54] <@jchillerup> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ting
[19:54] <@o> (with links to sv. and da. etc)
[19:54] <@seal-from-abben> Kondensator/Kondensator/Kondensator/Kondensaattori ...
[19:56] <@jchillerup> it seems "ting" is the same word in Finnish, even
[19:56] <@elhaard> i don't know about other languages, but in Danish, "Tingsted" meaning "Assembly place" could also mean "Place with things"
[19:57] <@j|GHS> yeah, "ting" is also "thing" in swedish
[19:57] <@jchillerup> but "thing" is also kind of what we do. We explore stuff
[19:57] <@carl^aarhus> ting2010, tingHack2010, summerting2010
[19:57] <@elhaard> Exactly my point
[19:57] <@j|GHS> but something like maketing would then both become a meeting for makeing, and the makeing of things
[19:58] <@j|GHS> /slow
[19:58] <@o> Ting-Caring
[19:59] <@o> what more scandinavian words do we have in common? =)
[19:59] <@o> the name doesn't have to be in english (summer etc)
[19:59] <@elmom> It's not used in the finnish language at least, so not recognisable
[19:59] <@o> ok =/
[19:59] <@jchillerup> Hm. Should we fall back on capacitor then?
[20:00] <@carl^aarhus> i like ting more then capacitor
[20:00] <@seal-from-abben> With local spelling I think capacitor is best so far.
[20:00] <@elmom> But swedish in general is good.
[20:00] <@elhaard> Nørdic Capacitor Ting ? :-D
[20:00] <@o> But another thing I really like with the word "ting" is that it comes from old scandinavian democratic like tradition.
[20:01] <@jchillerup> HackerTing 10
[20:01] <@jchillerup> or HackTing
[20:01] <@elmom> Why not. It needs explaining anyway :)
[20:01] <@j|GHS> why not just "Ting"?
[20:01] <@jchillerup> I think Nørdic Capacitor Ting is too much of a good 'ting' :P
[20:01] <@carl^aarhus> capacitor calling 2010
[20:01] <@jchillerup> j|GHS: domain names :P
[20:02] <@j|GHS> jchillerup: well, most people just google i anyway, so we could put it under ting.hackerspace.se or something like that :)
[20:02] <@elhaard> NørdTing?
[20:03] <@carl^aarhus> NordicTing
[20:03] <@jchillerup> I think Nørd is superfluous unless we use it as a pun of sorts ("nørdic")
[20:03] <@seal-from-abben> Nörd/Nord + Ting sounds like a comic convention
[20:03] <@carl^aarhus> :D
[20:03] <@jchillerup> I think HackTing is good
[20:03] <@jchillerup> But I'm sorry for the Finns.
[20:03] <@carl^aarhus> ack
[20:04] <@jchillerup> Ting only makes sense in Danish, Swedish and Norwegian. To obtain true awesomeness, we should have a name that makes sense to all
[20:04] <@jchillerup> (but the idea is very good)
[20:04] <@b4k4^^> The Nits have an album called "Ting" =P
[20:04] <@elmom> Well, it's just a name.
[20:05] <@jchillerup> I think we should move on...
[20:05] <@b4k4^^> (it's a percussive glass instrument, of all things)
[20:05] <@elmom> Can we decide on HackTing?
[20:05] <@jchillerup> If the Finns don't protest
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[20:06] <@jchillerup> in Danish Hack Ting means hack stuff
[20:06] <@jchillerup> and hack "gathering"
[20:06] <@b4k4^^> hack the gathering =P
[20:06] <@rreipas> no protest
[20:06] <@b4k4^^> ok by me
[20:06] <@jchillerup> OK, HackTing10 it is. Let's move on.
[20:07] == jchillerup changed the topic of #scanhack to: Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: Who wants to be in coord?
[20:07] <@jchillerup> All right. I think we have reached a point where we all agree. So, we need some people who want to commit the time to arrange this. Remember these people will not necessarily do *all* the work, they will just be in charge. So far kyb3R, olleolleolle and myself have added ourselves to the list on the wiki. Anybody else interested?
[20:07] <@o> TING - Ting In(?) Nordic Gathering
[20:08] <@o> ah, sry
[20:08] <@elhaard> No problem. Anyway, you must have ment Ting Is Nordic Gathering
[20:09] <@o> yeah :D
[20:09] <@elhaard> On topic: I would like to help out, but I am not sure I have the time
[20:09] <@o> And I can be part of coord as well, will register at wiki.
[20:09] <@jchillerup> great.
[20:09] <@jchillerup> https://labitat.dk/index.php/Scandinavian_hackerspaces_meetup_2010
[20:09] <@jchillerup> that's the place to sign up
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[20:13] <@jchillerup> All right.
[20:14] <@jchillerup> (I lost connectivity there)
[20:14] <@carl^afk> sorry guys, i have an exsam tomorrow. Need to learn a bit more
[20:14] <@jchillerup> :-)
[20:16] <@jchillerup> The next point is about having a common communications platform for Scandinavian hackerspaces, but I did not add that point, and I have no knowledge about that sort of thing. We already have a mailing list, hacksam@lists.hack.org
[20:16] == jchillerup changed the topic of #scanhack to: Agenda is here: http://piratepad.net/hOsuh3vg0R || Please take your time to write as long lines as you can, and please don't repeat what's already been said. || Current topic: Common communications platform.
[20:16] <@jchillerup> The next point is about having a common communications platform for Scandinavian hackerspaces, but I did not add that point, and I have no knowledge about that sort of thing. We already have a mailing list, hacksam@lists.hack.org
[20:17] <@jchillerup> Does anybody have anything to add? I think this sort of thing is something that's pretty good to discuss at a gathering like HackTing.
[20:17] <@elhaard> Agree. Unless we need some kind of organisation for HackTing (I don't think we do)
[20:18] <@jchillerup> We'll have an IRC channel and I suppose some live meetings.
[20:18] <@jchillerup> (or video conferences or whatever)
[20:19] <@jchillerup> BTW: A point we forgot, hackerspace.fi and hackerspaces.fi are still available. Is there any of you Finns who want to register those?
[20:20] <@elmom> I asked on our mailinglist last Friday, no comments yet.
[20:20] <@jchillerup> How much is a .fi domain?
[20:20] <@jchillerup> (and can private persons buy them)
[20:21] <@elmom> rreipas, b4k4^^ ?
[20:21] <@b4k4^^> (AFAIK yes, 13EUR/year)
[20:21] <@b4k4^^> I already have three domains :D
[20:21] <@jchillerup> I think somebody should do it.
[20:22] <@jchillerup> (and fast)
[20:23] <@jchillerup> OK. Should we postpone the rest of the meeting?
[20:23] <@jchillerup> The stuff about becoming an EU entity
[20:24] <@elhaard> I second that
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[20:25] <@b4k4^^> as I see it, no need to decide here and now *who* does it, as long as we Finns agree that someone *will* register the domain(s?)
[20:26] <@jchillerup> b4k4^^: that's right.
[20:28] <@b4k4^^> hackerspaces.* seems to be available everywhere (but .dk isn't listed), so that would seem to be the one to get
[20:28] <@jchillerup> So are we postponing the EUÂ organizational part of the meeting
[20:28] <@jchillerup> I have hackerspaces.tv
[20:29] <@o> You mean EU-funding etc?
[20:29] <@jchillerup> err. .dk
[20:29] <@jchillerup> I mean becoming an organization within the EU. We can perhaps get funding for HackTing eitherway.
[20:29] <@jchillerup> (unless they don'át understand what hack meansÂ :))
[20:29] <@o> achso
[20:30] <@o> or what the hack we're talking abou
[20:30] <@o> t
[20:30] <@b4k4^^> exactly =P
[20:30] <@jchillerup> OK. So becoming an EU entity is possibly something to be decided at HackTing
[20:31] <@o> sure
[20:31] <@jchillerup> Or at a later IRC meeting
[20:31] <@o> It wouldn't hurt to have some more afk-meetings prior to hackting
[20:31] <@jchillerup> No, I second that.
[20:31] <@jchillerup> Maybe beginning of March
[20:32] <@jchillerup> Just a small "how's it going" IRC meeting
[20:33] <@carl^afk> i hope next time some more folks from aarhus will show up -.-*
[20:33] <@jchillerup> mhm.
[20:33] <@o> we could promote this channel more
[20:33] <@jchillerup> But I guess that concludes the meeting, unless somebody has something to add
[20:33] <@o> or have it on another network?
[20:34] <@jchillerup> We could do that
[20:34] <@jchillerup> ScanHack means nothing now :P
[20:34] <@o> Aren't we scattered across several networks as it is?
[20:34] * Yona|GHS comes alive.. Damn...
[20:34] <@jchillerup> But I think we have to talk about the name in the coord
[20:34] <@o> How about #hackting at freequest or something?
[20:34] <@jchillerup> I don't know if EU funding is an option with "hack" in the name
[20:34] <@o> :D
[20:35] <@carl^afk> CCC got Chaos in the name
[20:35] <@jchillerup> Yes. We could try.,
[20:35] <@o> On the other hand i don't think funding should be at the top of our agenda.
[20:35] <@jchillerup> Naahhh..
[20:36] <@jchillerup> Should we decide for a date for another meeting?
[20:36] <@carl^afk> yes
[20:36] <@jchillerup> March 7.
[20:36] <@jchillerup> That should be a question mark
[20:36] <@o> Same channel and network or not?
[20:36] <@carl^afk> i think sooner
[20:36] <@o> Yeah, how about monthly?
[20:37] <@jchillerup> We could do that
[20:37] <@jchillerup> First Sunday at 19:00 (20 for the finns)
[20:37] <@carl^afk> so the 7th Feb. ?
[20:37] <@jchillerup> Yes. Let's do it
[20:38] <@o> ..and 7th of march and 4th of april etc..
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[20:40] <@o> phrst: ohai =)
[20:40] <@jchillerup> who has a log of this channel
[20:41] <@jchillerup> for some reason that's rather idfficult in irssi
[20:41] <@jchillerup> a log starting prior to 19:00 today
[20:42] <phrst> o: hello, sorry for being late. Was on an irl meeting
[20:43] <@elhaard> I have a log from 19:05
[20:43] <@o> jchillerup: /lastlog -file <local_file.name>
[20:43] <@seal-from-abben> gtg, bye and have fun
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[20:44] <@carl^afk> jchillerup: from 18:05 http://pastebin.com/f36eb79f4
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[20:54] <@jchillerup> great, thanks
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[21:32] <@j|GHS> i've got a log from 18:53 at http://j.nurrd.se/scanhack.log
[21:34] <@j|GHS> ouh, that's 18:53 yesterday
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