We are only nine days into 2013 and there have already been 13 murders in Chicago. Mostly on the South Side and mostly gang-on-gang shootings. I hope the task force headed by VP Biden looks at the reasons why young people join gangs and obtain guns. I don't think they can address gun violence without also looking at other issues like poverty, education, stability of the family, and just creating a better future for young people than gang membership, prison, or early death. Mayor Emanuel announced that he wants the community policing program in the city administered on a local level instead of by the department central administration, so they can try to do more in their immediate communities where the police are working. VP Biden, I'm sure Chicago is not the only big city dealing with gangs, drugs and gun violence. HELP!

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On New Year's Day 2013, 3 people were shot and killed in the City of Brotherly Love! Yes - Happy New Year, Philadelphia!

Total not available for January yet, but December was pretty brutal........
105 gun related injuries
23 of those died the day of the shooting

I don't see an end to all of this madness - unfortunately.

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Cop Out....

All I am saying is that people break laws. No matter what they are, if they feel like it. Make all the gun control laws you please. Dude wants a gun, Oh I'm pretty sure he or she will finf one.

Teenagers will get and drink alcohol regardless of laws...so why bother having any laws? People will drive drunk - no matter what if they feel like it so...why have controls on it? People will drive any speed they want - no matter if there are speed limits. Make all the speed limits you want...guy wants to speed...he or she will.

The hallmark of a civilization is the willingness and will to establish rules and standards of behavior - even if some people will break the laws nonetheless.

That is because your logic, as usual, is nonexistent. An AR is a highly accurate platform. As such, you don't need more than one or two shots to put down a coyote. However, like most predatory canines, they move in packs. You may need to shoot more than one. My neighbor raises horses. He uses a semi automatic rifle to eliminate problem animals as he isn't a professional sniper. Sometimes it takes more than one shot to eliminate the animal. Should he give up farming because he doesn't meet your bar as a marksman?

No, I haven't confused anything. One of the requirements for WW2 jeeps was that they would be able to use various and sundry weapons in several different types of mounts. Hence, they were designed to kill. HMMWVs mount several different types of weapons from different weapons stations as well. They were, in fact, designed as killing machines. I know a little bit about both weapons systems, I've used both. First hand, not what my father told me at the kitchen table. Gunnery table 8 exists for a reason.

Again, various gunnery tables involve the use of jeeps with ring mounted weapons (when they were still in the system) and HMMWVs. Not silly at all, except in your mind.

Keep on paddling. At least you may convince yourself! Guns are good. Guns are good. Guns are good. Close your eyes and repeat...guns are good...

But insulting my father? Really, really low. He knew more about machines than you could ever, ever know. I guess his 32 patents don't compare to your exalted knowledge. Really, really low. A pity your father didn't tell you about decency at the kitchen table. Mine did.

I'm not quite sure that we need to get nasty with one another or feel the least bit wierd if we all have a difference of opinion on a subject. It's not like one persons opinion is going to change anything one way or another. I get that if I break the law I should be punished to the full extent of the law. Bring it on. I try not to do it personally and I don't wanna pack heat. Call me stupid, a pacifist or nieve. It is MY choice.

He is correct. The original specs for the GP, the first Jeep, was for a weapons platform. The Hummer, or originally the HMMWV, was designed as a weapons platform.

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

But insulting my father? Really, really low. He knew more about machines than you could ever, ever know. I guess his 32 patents don't compare to your exalted knowledge. Really, really low. A pity your father didn't tell you about decency at the kitchen table. Mine did.

The only one violating civility, and decency here is you. There was no insult to you or your father by LH, you are trying to be a victim with that.

Here is an observation, your father was probably a humble man who did not brag about his patents, and did not brag about his knowledge of machinery to others. He also probably would have gotten along with LH.

If I am wrong however, he would probably be as indecent as you are on the internet, if not more so.

I only say that because my own father has been a thin skinned a$$ on the web far far longer then I have. Only difference is I have a far thicker skin then him, or you.

Keep on paddling. At least you may convince yourself! Guns are good. Guns are good. Guns are good. Close your eyes and repeat...guns are good...

But insulting my father? Really, really low. He knew more about machines than you could ever, ever know. I guess his 32 patents don't compare to your exalted knowledge. Really, really low. A pity your father didn't tell you about decency at the kitchen table. Mine did.

How was I insulting your father? Your self-righteous pap comes to the fore again. You brought your father's skills into this as proof of YOUR knowledge of systems. One of my ancestors was a master builder in a shipyard for a very famous ship that was a technological leap ahead of its competition. That relationship doesn't mean I can build a fir frigate from the keel up. My father is a powerplant engineer. While I am intensely familiar with the systems involved in a steam powerplant, it doesn't mean I can build one. We are not the Poslenn'ar, we do not have genetic memory. Your father may well have been a highly competent engineer. That means nothing in relation to your knowledge of a tank.

As to my own abilities, I am a technician, not an engineer. We fix what the engineers fark up.

I merely exposed it as what it is, with no mention whatsoever of your father's skill. His skill doesn't translate into your abilities. Nice try, dearie. Try again.

By the by, I know a great deal about decency and respect. Respect and decency are earned parts of social interaction. You, Madame, have earned exactly what you are getting.

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Silly Richard, she shouldn't have had the gun to protect herself with in the first place! Why post such a story?!

I agree! I'm wondering what she could have done differently to protect herself and her children without shooting that poor guy.
After all he was just wandering through her home uninvited after breaking in and she didn't even know who he was.

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