tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post113935875718565005..comments2017-09-26T12:27:25.452-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Democrats and Spiritual Cannibalism at the King FuneralGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139523715347547632006-02-09T14:21:00.000-08:002006-02-09T14:21:00.000-08:00Omgosh, I know this is a bit late, since I haven't...Omgosh, I know this is a bit late, since I haven't been over here in a bit, but I totally agree with you Bob on this! I was watching the whole thing on tv and when they started their political one liners, and when those in the pews jumped up to their feet and cheered it all on like a campaign rally, I jumped on my feet too...<BR/><BR/>I got up and turned the channel.<BR/><BR/>It just felt too disrespectful to be part of it then....even via satellite!LiquidLifeHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949269503629475002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139487706997114512006-02-09T04:21:00.000-08:002006-02-09T04:21:00.000-08:00Where was Walter 'Fritz' Mondale? Why wasn't he ca...Where was Walter 'Fritz' Mondale? Why wasn't he called on to address the faithful too? Fritz steps up to the podium" "Where am I? Who is that dead woman? Jimmy, where is Billy, why isn't he here? I'm here to tell you that Bush's war on poverty has failed. Take one look on the other side of the tracks and it becomes clear that if you are white, you have an obligation to give half of your income to poor Negros. I think Dr. King would agree with this and at this time I ask him to step up here beside me."<BR/><BR/>Blacks didn't even have the courage to speak up and even suggest that political attacks are not the venue of a funeral. That is the real shame of it all. It reflects their willingness to be viewed as victims, dependent on white Democrats for economic and political salvation. They let ol' massa' speak for them again, sho' nuff'. That is what disguts me.<BR/><BR/>Bob, some folks want to review Petey's book for possible sale/distribution. I will contact you shortly. They had lots of questions about Petey - your name wasn't mentioned, sorry.Goeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07208001377214618320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139445629829204332006-02-08T16:40:00.000-08:002006-02-08T16:40:00.000-08:00Confused in ATL,It's interesting that after that d...Confused in ATL,<BR/><BR/>It's interesting that after that dramatic lead about the "Spectre of Ku Klux Klan" (the intent of which, I suppose, is to show us how the clock has been turned back on civil rights due to Bush! Halliburton! Alito! etc.) we later learn that almost half of the churches were white.<BR/><BR/>And, of course, all they care about is whether its a <I>racially</I> motivated "hate crime." If it turns out to be just anti-Christian, I doubt there's even a follow up story. <BR/><BR/>Hmmm, wonder if thousands of Christians will riot, threaten lives and demand apologies from the governor of Alabama, the President and, well, just for the heck of it, some random countries thousands of miles away.Kahntheroadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139444288417176202006-02-08T16:18:00.000-08:002006-02-08T16:18:00.000-08:00Close the portal, Bob, that Chevy wasn't worth it!...Close the portal, Bob, that Chevy wasn't worth it!<BR/><BR/>JWMjwmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139443990835891372006-02-08T16:13:00.000-08:002006-02-08T16:13:00.000-08:00back to 1956 indeed from the times of londonChurch...back to 1956 indeed from the times of london<BR/><BR/>Churches burn as 'night riders' bring fear back to Deep South<BR/>By Tom Baldwin<BR/><BR/>Spectre of Ku Klux Klan is revived by nine arson attacks in deep South in a week<BR/>THEY came under cover of darkness like the “night riders” of the old Ku Klux Klan. They drove down the back roads of rural Alabama, looking for wooden churches in forest clearings. When they found them, they kicked in their doors and set them alight.<BR/><BR/>Four Baptist churches scattered ten or twenty miles around the tiny town of Boligee, near the Mississippi border, were burnt in this manner on Tuesday night. All had black congregations.<BR/><BR/>Last Friday five churches in Bibb County, farther to the east, were destroyed or badly damaged by fire. Of those, four had predominately white congregations and the fifth was mainly black.<BR/><BR/>The FBI confirmed yesterday that it was investigating whether the string of arson attacks during the past week had been racially motivated “hate crimes”.confused in atlantanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139442617230986322006-02-08T15:50:00.000-08:002006-02-08T15:50:00.000-08:00...yer a humorless little twit, ain'tcha?waytoosad......yer a humorless little twit, ain'tcha?<BR/><BR/>way<BR/>too<BR/>sad<BR/><BR/>JWMjwmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139441908574896722006-02-08T15:38:00.000-08:002006-02-08T15:38:00.000-08:00jwm after you put down your down payment on ur che...jwm after you put down your down payment on ur chevy you can pop on by for some Lester Maddox's good ol' tasty fried chicken at his restaurant back when it was run the right way w/out govt intervention. All white just like the chicken breasts<BR/><BR/>that was back when men were men and some folk knew their place...till that king guy screwed things up !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139437670396301922006-02-08T14:27:00.000-08:002006-02-08T14:27:00.000-08:00Confused in Atlanta, and Chicago got me thinkin'.A...Confused in Atlanta, and Chicago got me thinkin'.<BR/>As soon as you get that portal to 1956 open let me know. I want to get there in time to grab a job at a Sunnoco station and start saving up for a down payment on next year's Chevy.<BR/><BR/>JWMjwmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139433791090092122006-02-08T13:23:00.000-08:002006-02-08T13:23:00.000-08:00Petey,Do you really think that would have made a d...Petey,<BR/><BR/>Do you really think that would have made a difference? Do you think it would be beneath these shameless people to destroy her reputation as well? Either they'd dismiss her as old and senile, or they'd just ignore her all together.Kahntheroadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139433543230834622006-02-08T13:19:00.000-08:002006-02-08T13:19:00.000-08:00PETEY: Had she spoken up, would it really have sto...PETEY: Had she spoken up, would it really have stopped them? Nothing in the world can make these people think twice about what they're saying or doing; perhaps Coretta saw the Sisyphean nature of convincing the Left to resist quietly, and decided that it would be better to live as an example. She doesn't seem to have jumped to any negative conclusions regarding GWB, and if she did she had the good graces to keep them under wraps.<BR/><BR/>But it seems to me the only example a Leftist willfully follows is his own.Michael Andreyakovichhttp://mikeomatic.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139432096813848412006-02-08T12:54:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:54:00.000-08:00Bob,"We can certainly applaud his real world achie...Bob,<BR/><BR/>"We can certainly applaud his real world achievement without embracing ideas that would be dangerous and self-defeating in other contexts."<BR/><BR/>Agreed. The intellectual laziness of this type of attitude is all too prevalent (of course, these days, people can be pretty diverse in the application of fallacy). <BR/><BR/>When I hear some moonbat quoting Einstein's views on international affairs it drives me up the wall.<BR/><BR/>Senor Moonbat, did it ever occur to you that Einstein might have been a bit too preoccupied with, say, revising man's conception of the structure of the universe, to put sufficient thought into issues of diplomacy and war? <BR/><BR/>Of course many moonbats seem to have embraced Einstein's genius for grooming as well.<BR/><BR/>Now, when it comes to discussing Relativity, well, I don't know that they've bothered to read the man's lesser works.Kahntheroadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139431990198653202006-02-08T12:53:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:53:00.000-08:00petey what do you expect ?All those leftys, "civil...petey what do you expect ?<BR/><BR/>All those leftys, "civil rights leaders", and "leaders of the black community want is power and money for themselves and reverse discrimination (aka affirmative action and "diversity targets")and handouts from government.<BR/><BR/>Whatever social ills exist in their community are the fault of their own deficient culture. And why are their unqualifed kids taking up spots in our universities ?<BR/><BR/>You have to stop just scribbling and get into action. I'm in a cell phone circle that calls into Michigan to get votes for the non discrimination proposal that will totally ban affirmative action. And I work actively for school vouchers to keep from wasting tax dollars on lazy unionized teachers.<BR/><BR/>If the $4,000 voucher isn't enough to get some folks a school they like because they don't like church run schools, let them get a second job.<BR/><BR/>Action folks, not just words on a blog !!jodie dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139431023450159732006-02-08T12:37:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:37:00.000-08:00Still, one has to wonder about someone like Mrs. K...Still, one has to wonder about someone like Mrs. King, who, with just a word, could have ended the larcenous careers of people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and restored some dignity and credibility to the civil rights movement. Likewise, she could have easily shamed Harry Belafonte into stuffing a sock in it, or told her cohorts to stop saying such reprehensible things about Condaleeza Rice or Clarence Thomas.Peteynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139430878117063272006-02-08T12:34:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:34:00.000-08:00bob-the most effective combat against radical Isla...bob-<BR/><BR/>the most effective combat against radical Islam is for the multi-culti bubbleheads to READ what Mohammed dictated to his scribes and the stories of his life and behavior.<BR/><BR/>there,in seeing the genesis of Islam,is where the roots of real courage for the would be <BR/>victims-of-Islam are <BR/>in this thing,imo.<BR/><BR/>to hear them tell it,<BR/>they're all "intellectuals".<BR/><BR/>you'd think the effort to <BR/>"understand another culture"<BR/>would already have been made by now.<BR/><BR/>the language barrier(Arabic)<BR/>used to be problematic.<BR/><BR/>now it is so only for the Arabs<BR/>and the "second-tier-Arab"<BR/>Mohammadens who insist that<BR/>the Quran "cannot be translated".<BR/><BR/>indeed it can be,and has.<BR/><BR/>and the societal behavior of the Arab and sub-Arab world fits <BR/>it like a rubber stamp.<BR/><BR/>in many ways,the pen<BR/>(and now the Internet)<BR/>still ARE mightier than the sword.<BR/><BR/>i don't consider either to be<BR/>"passive-resistance" in the face of evil,tho.<BR/><BR/>i would agree that "passive-resistance" in the face of an adversary without any sense of "fair-play" is suicide.<BR/><BR/>Ghandi knew the British well.gumshoe1https://www.blogger.com/profile/02749146148708198148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139430451949988842006-02-08T12:27:00.000-08:002006-02-08T12:27:00.000-08:00Oh yes. I admire Coretta Scott King if for no oth...Oh yes. I admire Coretta Scott King if for no other reason than she had dignity. Dignity, sobriety, and temperence are exactly what are lacking in the left. It figures that they turned the funeral of a dignified woman into such an undignified spectacle. <BR/><BR/>I agree with you about King--like a Churchill or Lincoln, he was the right person at the right time chosen for a divine mission--but to the extent that he believed that Gandhi's principle of "ahimsa" was a universal one applying to all situations rather than a political tactic, I'm afraid he was talking through his hat. We can certainly applaud his real world achievement without embracing ideas that would be dangerous and self-defeating in other contexts.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139428437972052662006-02-08T11:53:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:53:00.000-08:00Bob,I think the flaw in her view was more an impro...Bob,<BR/><BR/>I think the flaw in her view was more an improper extension of a core value. For example, Martin Luther King may have, philosophically, been a socialist and a non-violence absolutist; however he applied his core principles within an appropriate area - and we're all better off for his presence (I have little doubt that King would be an example of one of those 'divine,' corrective figures in our history).<BR/><BR/>If only the Palestinians held the same core values of King or Ghandi. <BR/><BR/>I'm much more concerned with those who hold core values that are inherently harmful than those with, perhaps, flawed values that can be useful in a specific or limited area. <BR/><BR/>For example, I may disagree with certain core values held by either General Patton or my daughter's kindergarden teacher, but so long as they each stick to his or her respective field I'm fine. Now, if, godforbid, they switch roles, well...Kahntheroadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139426516753570352006-02-08T11:21:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:21:00.000-08:00Yes, I want to re-emphasize that I do not harbor a...Yes, I want to re-emphasize that I do not harbor any animus toward Mrs. King. I'm sure she was a well-intentioned person, even if I strongly disagree with her core idea, which is passive resistance in the face of evil.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139426420499933012006-02-08T11:20:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:20:00.000-08:00Bob...I just wanted to thank you for your site. I ...Bob...<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to thank you for your site. I visit at <I>least</I> once a day, usually more. You do a great service for many people.<BR/><BR/>As for the funeral, you nailed it.<BR/><BR/>Today, I am in a mood of "useless sadness," because things ain't gonna change anytime soon. It's like watching events unfold in another reality...<BR/><BR/>Cheers.Dan Spomerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678487838606040961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139426315691115462006-02-08T11:18:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:18:00.000-08:00Thank you, Who You. I couldn't have said it bette...Thank you, Who You. I couldn't have said it better. Bush demonstrates what it means to behave with affable gallantry and turn the other cheek to these classless pissants. I can scarcely imagine what it must feel liketo be the Democratic Toilet Breast (if you know Melanie Klein's infant psychology).<BR/><BR/>Faux-proto-religious Emperor's Lineage piety. I like that. Like all such spectacles, it is empty at the core, having long ago been scooped out by the poverty pimps and race hustlers. Just another empty liberal icon as a replacement for thought, not to mention a blunt instrument for debate.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139426206187477962006-02-08T11:16:00.001-08:002006-02-08T11:16:00.001-08:00Actually, lets not lump Mrs. King in with the knee...Actually, lets not lump Mrs. King in with the knee-jerk Bush haters:<BR/><BR/>Here's an article from 2004, when the President attended a memorial service for her husband: (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/15/elec04.prez.bush.thursday/)<BR/><BR/>Of course, once Bush showed up, the usual vile cretins abandoned any intention to respectfully honor Dr. King themselves; instead they saw fit to protest <I>Bush's</I> respect for King's memory by "Carrying signs and chanting to rhythms pounded from conga drums, members of the crowd resisted efforts by police to move them to a designated protest area about 150 yards from the reflecting pool in front of the simple white marble crypt.." <BR/><BR/>This is DURING the memorial ceremony!<BR/><BR/>Not only that: <I>"Their signs indicated the protesters were drawn from a wide coalition. "War is not the Answer," "Promote Peace, Not Halliburton," "HUD Sponsors Racism," "Impeach the Liar" and "No Blood for Oil" were just a few of them."</I><BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, throughout this disgraceful - and I'd imagine hurtful - nonsense, Mrs. King conducted herself with quiet dignity:<BR/><BR/><I>"King's widow, Coretta Scott King, walked with the president to her husband's tomb. After Bush laid the wreath, he stood, head bowed, for about 15 seconds."</I><BR/><BR/><I>Although King Center officials did not invite Bush to join their planned celebration</I> (CNN had to point this out...along with the rest of the shameful spin of this article)<I>, Mrs. King met briefly with the president.</I><BR/><BR/>In a quick Google search I found a few articles about Mrs. King - for example, on her support for gay marriage - but nowhere did I find her engaged in race baiting or demagoguery; rather she expressed her personal views in an intelligent respectful manner.<BR/><BR/>Now, I suppose we could say she should have spoken out against the disgraceful behavior, or whatever, but that's quite a burden to put on an elderly woman who, even of she had been disturbed by some aspects of today's movement, can be forgiven for not wanting to spend her final years fighting against the people closest to her.<BR/><BR/>Actually, when one considers the company she kept and the ideological obligation thrust upon her as King's wife, I find it remarkable that she was able to resist the 'mind parasites' of those surroundings such that she was capable of even the slightest bit of respect for President Bush. To me, that alone indicates a woman of character and strong will worthy of her husband's legacy.Kahntheroadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139426187307691412006-02-08T11:16:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:16:00.000-08:00As to Girard, some of his recent writings and inte...As to Girard, some of his recent writings and interviews have deplored the seizure of his work for identity politics, relativism, and deifying the victim-any-victim. In fact, my recollection is that he is quite clear that (though many victims fit the scapegoat complex and were executed for ephemeral reasons) there was only one Victim who played it straight, though I really wouldn't pore through all those books again for a cite.dilyshttp://goodandhappy.typepad.com/g_as_in_good_h_as_in_happ/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139425816695883702006-02-08T11:10:00.000-08:002006-02-08T11:10:00.000-08:00Much of Bush's performance as President exhibits g...Much of Bush's performance as President exhibits generative (in Ericksonian terms) mature self-sacrifice, in its willing service and detachment from the self-contradictory idiocy of the speech and behavior aimed at him. This travesty must have been one of his most intense challenges. A hushed faux-proto-religious Emperor's Lineage piety around the invocation of the exceptionalism of King's family set the scene for a disgusting, rude, infantile, self-indulgent spectacle.who, me?https://www.blogger.com/profile/17954105359594780377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139423592344232392006-02-08T10:33:00.000-08:002006-02-08T10:33:00.000-08:00Confused in Atlanta--you remind me of Confused in ...Confused in Atlanta--you remind me of Confused in Chicago. He also hadn't taken a new cognitive imprint since 1956. Perhaps I can arrange an introduction, so you can fight together to end separate drinking fountains for blacks.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139423083843445542006-02-08T10:24:00.000-08:002006-02-08T10:24:00.000-08:00Yes, Girard's ideas regarding human sacrifice are ...Yes, Girard's ideas regarding human sacrifice are fundamental. I think they have been most ably elaborated by Gil Bailie in his Violence Unveiled, although I do have a major quibble (I guess that means it's more than a quibble) with their seeming inability to differentiate between moral and immoral violence. <BR/><BR/>Also, there are certain psychoanlytical determinants that Girard doesn't get into. Much of the scarificial impulse is rooted in pre-oedipal psychology.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1139422779666585882006-02-08T10:19:00.000-08:002006-02-08T10:19:00.000-08:00apropos of nothing King related,other than perhaps...apropos of nothing King related,<BR/>other than perhaps the Christian aspect of the original thread<BR/>(Mrs. King,her husband's life,etc):<BR/><BR/>bob-<BR/><BR/>Rene Girard has several books<BR/>regarding violence and the sacred,sacrificial victims and scapegoats.<BR/><BR/>i know i would,<BR/>and i imagine your other readers would benefit from a thread on his writings:<BR/>____________________________________<BR/>Violence and the Sacred<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/<BR/>tg/detail/-/0801822181/qid=<BR/>1139421487/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/<BR/>103-2478812-0501453?v=glance&s=books<BR/><BR/>and<BR/>___________________________________<BR/>The Scapegoat<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/<BR/>0801839173/qid=1139421487/sr=1-3/<BR/>ref=sr_1_3/103-2478812-0501453?s<BR/>=books&v=glance&n=283155<BR/><BR/>'Editorial Reviews<BR/>From Library Journal<BR/><BR/>Girard, professor of French language, literature, and civilization at Stanford, builds on his notable previous anthropological and literary examinations of myth and ritual in human society. Here he applies his appraisals of Freud and Levi-Strauss to demonstrate how religion functions to keep violence outside society by deflecting it onto a scapegoat whose sacrifice restores the social order. Using a rich variety of resources from Greek to biblical, primitive to modern, he cites the Gospel Passion as a myth with the power to break the evil of collective violence and the corporate murder it conceals. Girard's use of structuralism to analyze biblical texts will stir much discussion, and the book as a whole is bound to be considered provocative by specialists. Murray L. Wagner, Bethany Theological Seminary, Oakbrook, Ill.<BR/>Copyright 1986 Reed Business Information, Inc." <BR/><BR/>excerpt <BR/>from an Amazon reviewer's post:<BR/><BR/>"No doubt Girard gets carried away, and tries to explain too much. Simplicity is the curse of great intellects -- Marx thought love of money was the root of all motivation, Freud over-emphasized sex, and Ernest Becker proposed to explain all human neurosis in terms of fear of death. Similarly, Girard claims: "All human language, and other cultural institutions, in fact, originated in collective murder." All?"gumshoe1https://www.blogger.com/profile/02749146148708198148noreply@blogger.com