Here Are The States Where Obamacare Subsidies Could Disappear

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And the GOP has real reasons to hope they do not win this case. It will be a disaster for many Americans and that translates into disaster for the GOP.

A new Supreme Court case could strip affordable health care from as many as 10 million people.

At issue in the case King v. Burwell is the Affordable Care Act's health insurance subsidies, which help millions of Americans afford health coverage. If the Supreme Court rules against the government, thereby gutting one of the most fundamental aspects of the law, it'll mean that the federal government can't subsidize health care in states that declined to establish their own marketplaces under Obamacare. That'll make health insurance unaffordable for many of the poorest, sickest Americans.

Here's a map that shows how dire things are. For the 13 states and Washington D.C. that have established their own state-run marketplaces, nothing will change as a result of the ruling. Residents of the 37 remaining states stand to lose their health insurance.

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So you do not care that up to 10 million people would suddenly not have any medical insurance. Is this right?

Also, if the SC rules for the GOP rates will sky rocket in places like Montana, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, across the deep south, etc. Do you want that also?

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As a matter of fact, yes. They will have to get work and insurance just like the rest of us do rather than live off the government subsidies. At some point, there will have to be hard decisions that have to be made if we are to stop the gov't takeover of health care, the internet and the constitution.

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I really liked the plan and the price that I had before Obama care screwed it all up. Obama lied and lied big. I liked my plan but was not able to keep it. Now my middle aged wife has maternity care that she doesn't need, I get one free eye exam each year (whoopy!!), my premium doubled, and my deductible went out of sight. Hopefully, the GOP wins and it becomes the death knell for Obama care.

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Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber said that it was done intentionally.

This is all on the democrats.

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There is not supposed to be a federal exchange according to law. Even Democrat states did not want a state exchange. The whole tax increase was illegal because it originate in the Senate, not the House of Representatives.

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I really liked the plan and the price that I had before Obama care screwed it all up. Obama lied and lied big. I liked my plan but was not able to keep it. Now my middle aged wife has maternity care that she doesn't need, I get one free eye exam each year (whoopy!!), my premium doubled, and my deductible went out of sight. Hopefully, the GOP wins and it becomes the death knell for Obama care.

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So you do not care that up to 10 million people will be without insurance and that, depending on the state you live in, your premiums may go up even more? Your insurance in Alabama will go up dramatically if the GOP wins this case. That is one reason a number of Republican politicians are beginning to become scared and are trying to find ways to negate such a ruling by the SC.

Didn't Christ teach on how we should treat the poor, the sick, those in need. Did he not teach on the responsibility of those who have been given much?

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So you do not care that up to 10 million people will be without insurance and that, depending on the state you live in, your premiums may go up even more?

Didn't Christ teach on how we should treat the poor, the sick, those in need. Did he not teach on the responsibility of those who have been given much?

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Preacher, the Democrats wrote the bill allowing only state exchanges. As you know, Preacher, being without an insurance policy does not mean that you are without healthcare. Here in Indiana, for example, you don't need no stinking insurance policy to get healthcare from the best doctors.

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Didn't Christ teach on how we should treat the poor, the sick, those in need. Did he not teach on the responsibility of those who have been given much?

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That shows how poorly you understand this. Jesus told individuals, not governments to care for the poor. Like all big gov't people, you want the government to take care of everyone. The Bible says we ought to care for the poor as we are able. But the Bible also says that if a person won't work, he shouldn't eat. It says that the family ought to care for family members.

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So you do not care that up to 10 million people will be without insurance and that, depending on the state you live in, your premiums may go up even more? Your insurance in Alabama will go up dramatically if the GOP wins this case. That is one reason a number of Republican politicians are beginning to become scared and are trying to find ways to negate such a ruling by the SC.

Didn't Christ teach on how we should treat the poor, the sick, those in need. Did he not teach on the responsibility of those who have been given much?

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Trying to shame me into accepting a coming train wreck won't work Crabby. Unlike you I don't equate the government as being God.

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Not at all. I understand that if the Supreme Court rules against Obamacare that your premiums, unless you are covered by the VA, the premiums of your wife are going to sky rocket. Also, that many in Montana who now have coverage will not have any medical insurance.

Some Republicans are finally seeing that they are on the edge of disaster, on several fronts, if the SC rules against Obamacare.

Nearly 7.5 million people who get financial help to buy HealthCare.gov insurance would face average premium price hikes of a whopping 255 percent if that aid is ruled illegal in a pending Supreme Court case, a new analysis finds.

And that’s just the average price increase across 34 states served by the federal Affordable Care Act health insurance exchange.

On the low end, the Avalere Health consultancy found, HealthCare.gov customers in Arizona would face effective average price increases of 122 percent for their coverage. At the other extreme, subsidy-eligible customers in Mississippi would face an average price hike of a sky-high 774 percent.

The second-highest effective rate increases would come in Alaska, where Affordable Care Act customers could see average price increases of 449 percent, Avalere found.

And people will end up with no insurance and some will die as a result.

The risks are very real to people like Fox. She was uninsured in 2012 when she got her breast cancer diagnosis, but she’s now covered by an Obamacare insurance policy and in remission — and she wants to stay that way. She pays $220 a month for her insurance now, after a subsidy of about $280.

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Not at all. I understand that if the Supreme Court rules against Obamacare that your premiums, unless you are covered by the VA, the premiums of your wife are going to sky rocket. Also, that many in Montana who now have coverage will not have any medical insurance.

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That's not good, considering they've already gone up over 300%. And you said a few days ago you don't know ANYONE who's lost insurance. So I don't think you're honest enough to debate this.

Some Republicans are finally seeing that they are on the edge of disaster, on several fronts, if the SC rules against Obamacare.

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That's not good, considering they've already gone up over 300%.
Some Republicans are finally seeing that they are on the edge of disaster, on several fronts, if the SC rules against Obamacare.

You do remember it was the democrats that passed this, right ?

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And if the Republicans succeed in killing it and up to 10 million become uninsured will you care that they are uninsured, that some will die because of this, that children will suffer from lack of medical care. What is your real concern?

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And if the Republicans succeed in killing it and up to 10 million become uninsured will you care that they are uninsured, that some will die because of this, that children will suffer from lack of medical care. What is your real concern?

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So you refuse to answer the question. Bro, old buddy, since when it being concerned about others whining. I guess Christ, in your opinion, was whining when he said, "Feed my sheep," and when he said, "I was hungry and ye fed me."

I know you scream when Christ's words are mentioned. I did now know you considered his words on how we should treat others as whining. Hmmmm, most interesting.

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