thats gr8 thanks Plex, I hope this info would help ppl like me who tends to buy a set but end up upgrading in short span of time and loose money

I'll post this if needed again, it can be very helpfull. In the future if you are helping someone get speakers find out the room size. This will help that person avoid the over buy and most important the dreaded under buy

Last week I picked up a df tech pro 600 package, and was loving it so much the following week I wanted to make it a 7.1 system so I picked up 2 def tech pro 1,000's . For the front left and right and put the 600's for surround . Everything sounded great my living room is only 17X15 . I loved the 1,000's so much this following week I picked up 2 more and replaced the 2 surround back left and right , I left 2 600's for the left and right 7.1 set up . And now since I have 4 1000's I then purchased a pro center 2000 for the center . And now I'm really enjoying the system more I left the subwoofer alone that came with the pro600 it's fine for the 17X15 room. So now I have taken the 2 left over 600's and 600 center and put them in my bedroom for my computer setup!!! Lol I think I went a little crazy I should have just put a 1000 system together but I'm happy how it all ended up . In the later future I might upgrade the subwoofer . But for now I think it's time to put my bank card away hahahah. I think I did have a def tech overload! But I'm loving it!!!!!

4x PM 1k's
1x PC 1k

Replace Center with a C/L/R 2002

Then I replaced by front 1k's with 2x BP8020ST towers
Then I replaced my center with a HD8040 Center, lol

Well my setup is all done 7.1 system consists of 6 pm 1000's 1 pc2000 and 1 pro sub 1000. I'm very happy the set up sounds great my room is only 17x15 . Now my receiver is 4 years old so that's the next upgrade in mind. I have all the speakers set to small and on my receiver you can set the cross overfor all speakers,but not individually . I set it to 80hz but I wish I can change the setting for the center and sub . Does it matter that all speakers are set to 80hz ?????? I know the center should be set to 60hz and sub to 100hz . My AVR is a Yamaha v-663 . Does it matter that all speakers are 80hz even the center I'm assuming the sub is also I dunno ??? Hopefully my next AVR I can set each speaker separately .

Well my setup is all done 7.1 system consists of 6 pm 1000's 1 pc2000 and 1 pro sub 1000. I'm very happy the set up sounds great my room is only 17x15 . Now my receiver is 4 years old so that's the next upgrade in mind. I have all the speakers set to small and on my receiver you can set the cross overfor all speakers,but not individually . I set it to 80hz but I wish I can change the setting for the center and sub . Does it matter that all speakers are set to 80hz ?????? I know the center should be set to 60hz and sub to 100hz . My AVR is a Yamaha v-663 . Does it matter that all speakers are 80hz even the center I'm assuming the sub is also I dunno ??? Hopefully my next AVR I can set each speaker separately .

Since you are talking Pioneer, I'm not a good source, but since you are considering a new AVR try to find one that may have a better bass managment system [XO for eack speaker set]

Ok, I just wanted you to make sure all settings where checked before you blamed the AVR

Not for sure if it is the sub or the avr. Im going to guess maybe the avr. Been doing alot of research and have decided to get the Denon 2112.

It was the AVR, but now i have another problem. It is my subwoofer, anytime there is an amount of explosions or sorda deep bass my sub sounds as if it is blown (rattles). It is a pro 800 sub, any suggestions would be very helpful.

It was the AVR, but now i have another problem. It is my subwoofer, anytime there is an amount of explosions or sorda deep bass my sub sounds as if it is blown (rattles). It is a pro 800 sub, any suggestions would be very helpful.

If the problem is with my sub, what sub would you guys recommend to go with:

Denon 2112 AVR

Front R/L - Studio Monitor 450's

Subwoofer - ProSub 800 (This is the one that rattles, seems to be at lower bass hits, a good example is when i watch Transformers Dark Side Of The Moon.)

Center - Pro Center 1000 ( prob going to upgrade soon)

Rear R/L - Pro Monitor 800's

I also have two more ProMonitor 800's to setup for 7.1, that will happen after i get the 5.1 working flawlessly.

Oh my limit for the sub is around 350 dollars. I have found a supercube 2000 for 350 is it worth picking up or should i go with something else if my sub is shot. I would prefer to stick with the sub i have, that is if i can get the rattle noise to quit. Thank You guys for all of your help.

It was the AVR, but now i have another problem. It is my subwoofer, anytime there is an amount of explosions or sorda deep bass my sub sounds as if it is blown (rattles). It is a pro 800 sub, any suggestions would be very helpful.

Thank You

A long way back in the thread someone posted he solved a rattle coming from his PS800. Something was loose inside and he posted detailed pics and a fix. I don't know how the warranty would be affected, but it was a simple fix as I recall. I'd love to link the post, buy I have idea where it is. Good luck!

Hey guys,
Looking to install
ProCenter 1000 with 4 PM 800's the question is the sub!!
I was impressed with the New SuperCube 2000 with how small it is and the amount of bass it puts out. Is this a sub worth the price tag or are there better subs on the market?
Thanks

Hey guys,
Looking to install
ProCenter 1000 with 4 PM 800's the question is the sub!!
I was impressed with the New SuperCube 2000 with how small it is and the amount of bass it puts out. Is this a sub worth the price tag or are there better subs on the market?
Thanks

Hey guys,
Looking to install
ProCenter 1000 with 4 PM 800's the question is the sub!!
I was impressed with the New SuperCube 2000 with how small it is and the amount of bass it puts out. Is this a sub worth the price tag or are there better subs on the market?
Thanks

You pay a premium for the size of the supercubes in my experience. You can find a variety of subs with better performance for less cost if you are not limited by size constraints.

Larger subwoofers from internet direct companies like hsu elemental designs and svs will offer more performance for the money.

Both front and rear speakers are mounted to Sanus speaker stands. My system is powered with a Pioneer Elite VSX-21Txh.

I have upgraded from the Procinema 60 to the Procinema 800, and now my mixed system. In my room (12 x 19) I noticed that I was losing base strength on one side of my room (initially had the Prosub 800). After replacing the 800 with two 1000's, I have the whole upstairs shaking.

Both front and rear speakers are mounted to Sanus speaker stands. My system is powered with a Pioneer Elite VSX-21Txh.

I have upgraded from the Procinema 60 to the Procinema 800, and now my mixed system. In my room (12 x 19) I noticed that I was losing base strength on one side of my room (initially had the Prosub 800). After replacing the 800 with two 1000's, I have the whole upstairs shaking.

Hi Nupe,

That's a great looking system you have there. I'm a huge proponent of using multiple subwoofers. Properly set up, they helped tame room modes and give more consistent bass response throughout the room. I've published graphs taken with REW in an attempt to show others the benefit of using multiple subwoofers in previous posts. Glad to hear your happy with dual subs!

You pay a premium for the size of the supercubes in my experience. You can find a variety of subs with better performance for less cost if you are not limited by size constraints.

Larger subwoofers from internet direct companies like hsu elemental designs and svs will offer more performance for the money.

Hello PMC and Todd,
There is a lot going on with this question! I used to work for Velodyne, so I have a lot of sub experience, and I see both sides. Yes, if the size of the box is no issue, you can get more bass for your buck from a larger sub. But we sell a ton of SC 2000, because it's an amazing amount of bass from a tiny, easy to place box, and it's very musical, too. There are customers for both types of product. I hope this helps. Feel free to PM me or reach me at jfinn@definitivetech.com. Best regards, Joe

That's a great looking system you have there. I'm a huge proponent of using multiple subwoofers. Properly set up, they helped tame room modes and give more consistent bass response throughout the room. I've published graphs taken with REW in an attempt to show others the benefit of using multiple subwoofers in previous posts. Glad to hear your happy with dual subs!

Todd, you are so right. It's really hard (impossible?) to get great bass all throughout your listening area with just one sub. Using twin subs enables you to get greater coverage, for smoother bass for more listeners. Four subs is even better, but not many customers can or will go to that extent. The good news is that much of the benefit from four is already attained with two. Best, Joe

If the problem is with my sub, what sub would you guys recommend to go with:

Denon 2112 AVR

Front R/L - Studio Monitor 450's

Subwoofer - ProSub 800 (This is the one that rattles, seems to be at lower bass hits, a good example is when i watch Transformers Dark Side Of The Moon.)

Center - Pro Center 1000 ( prob going to upgrade soon)

Rear R/L - Pro Monitor 800's

I also have two more ProMonitor 800's to setup for 7.1, that will happen after i get the 5.1 working flawlessly.

Oh my limit for the sub is around 350 dollars. I have found a supercube 2000 for 350 is it worth picking up or should i go with something else if my sub is shot. I would prefer to stick with the sub i have, that is if i can get the rattle noise to quit. Thank You guys for all of your help.

Hello PP, feel free to conact Chet at chet.pelkowski@definitivetech.com if you have a service issue - which it sounds like you do, as your sub shouldn't be rattling. The SC 2000 is a bargain at $350. Best regards, Joe

Hello PP, feel free to conact Chet at chet.pelkowski@definitivetech.com if you have a service issue - which it sounds like you do, as your sub shouldn't be rattling. The SC 2000 is a bargain at $350. Best regards, Joe

So, Joe, the SC 2000 is a new sub line or and addition to the Super Cube lineup

So, Joe, the SC 2000 is a new sub line or and addition to the Super Cube lineup

Hi Plex, the SuperCube 2000 is a relatively new sub, and a strong seller. It's the little brother of the SC 6000 / 4000. People love the bass performance you get from a tiny box, and at $599 retail it's not huge money. I hope this helps - best, Joe

Hi Plex, the SuperCube 2000 is a relatively new sub, and a strong seller. It's the little brother of the SC 6000 / 4000. People love the bass performance you get from a tiny box, and at $599 retail it's not huge money. I hope this helps - best, Joe

Todd, you are so right. It's really hard (impossible?) to get great bass all throughout your listening area with just one sub. Using twin subs enables you to get greater coverage, for smoother bass for more listeners. Four subs is even better, but not many customers can or will go to that extent. The good news is that much of the benefit from four is already attained with two. Best, Joe

Hi Joe,

Yeah I really got hooked on the idea of using multiple subs after listening to Floyd Toole talk about the subject on the Home Theater Geeks podcast and subsequently buying his book "Sound Reproduction". Most people with a single subwoofer are hearing the rooms negative contribution to the low frequencies more than the program material. And yes, I've come very close to pulling the trigger on quad subs and still may do so.

Speakers were delivered yesterday. These little guys are heavy!
One problem though. The Subwoofer grill is broken. ALL the posts that insert into the sub box to hold the grill on are sheared off clean.
Should I contact DT directly or Newegg?

Redid my Audyssey setup and it choose small speakers for all the speakers. Should I make the front L/R speakers "large speakers"

So far I'm pleased with the sound. I do notice a slight lacking of MID range, but the speakers aren't broken in and I'm not done tweaking the Audyssey settings in the Denon.

Hello all, FYI - the new Studio Monitor 45 and 55 are now shipping. The SM 65 will begin shipping soon. Info is up on the Definitive web site now - Best, Joe

Joe,

I already have a PC2000 & now I need a pair of bookshelves for my front L&R. Would the new SM45's match up well with the PC2000? I read the CS-8040HD is the center recommended for the SM45s - curious why not the PC2000? If I have to get the PM1000s I will, but I thought the SM45s might be a nice upgrade to the 1000s. Thoughts?

Hello I have finally ordered a new center channel for my system to replace my procenter 1000. I ended up getting the c/l/r 2002 .(Hopefully i will get it within a few days) I know not the newest center channel that def tech has, but figured it would be the best match with the sm 450's. (Not sure if the newest would be the best).

I was wanting to get your guys input on a new subwoofer. I am choosing between a HSU VTF-2 MK4 or Outlaw LFM-1 EX Subwoofer. Which one do you think would be a more well rounded sub as in for games, movies, and music?

I'm running a pro 1000 center , 2x BP6 towers and 2x pro 800 in the rear with a super cube 2000 sub and using a Pioneer SC-25 receiver to run it and it sounds amazing , everything is sync and has smooth transitions, I run a Xbox360(cod), pioneer elite BDP-330 Blu ray, and direct tv , sounds and looks fantastic

Plarmigan , the 450's are nice for sure as well as the 1000's , can't go wrong either way , will say i noticed that the 450's can hit a lil lower than the 1000's so unless you don't have a sub already I'd say get the 1000's for the clarity and set the crossover for the sub to wherever