And sometimes it's a generational process. You work to be blue collar like our neighbor across the street who's fire fighter. That launched his kids
into the better level where it's possible to have more connections going through school and into college.

This statement made me think of a letter John Adams wrote to his wife Abigale in which he says;

1780
"I could fill Volumes with Descriptions of Temples and Palaces, Paintings, Sculptures, Tapestry, Porcelaine, &c. &c. &c. -- if I could have time. But
I could not do this without neglecting my duty. The Science of Government it is my Duty to study, more than all other Studies Sciences: the Art of
Legislation and Administration and Negotiation, ought to take Place, indeed to exclude in a manner all other Arts. I must study Politicks and War that
my sons may have liberty to study Painting and Poetry Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography,
natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick,
Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine."

It's the sense of duty, like your neighbor. To not only provide for, but to put into a better position, their progeny. Upward mobility to secure a
better future.

All Americans, including Black Americans, can gleam a bit of wisdom from Mr. Adams...and your neighbor. I believe we now live in a culture where we
want it now, for ourselves, as opposed to the idea of duty, to build for the future.

Because I'm referencing HISTORY. It seems pretty obvious that they had a bit of a head start on realizing the implications/ramifications of what they
did and made more headway than the States did. Good for them, not everyone learns at the same rate. Every step forward is a step UP!

If you can manage those, your odds of living in poverty is less than 10% no matter what you look like. Do the past events you keep harping on actively
interfere with you doing any of those things? No.

How could people ever fail at something that is so "Easy" amirite? :/

Not what I asked. I asked how slavery over 100 years ago prevents them from doing this. Especially since many were much, much better at it in the era
leading up to Civil Rights and the Great Society/War on Poverty than they are now.

I don't think I should explain this, look up post-slavery segregation/discrimination.

Maybe you should re-acquaint yourself with the timing of Civil Rights and the Great Society.

I am well aware that the Jim Crow Era was a challenge in more ways than one for blacks, but the fact remains that black families were more prevalent
and stronger with a better level of education and a better ability to get and hold down what jobs were available to them in those years than they are
now.

So between that time and this, something changed despite a political climate that should have made those already challenging activities that
blacks were fairly successful at far easier.

I am asking you how slavery and the sudden outlawing of the obstacles in their way in any way excuses the destruction of the black family, black
educational prowess and the ability of blacks to get and hold down jobs when they were succeeding at it before with the obstacles there.

If you can manage those, your odds of living in poverty is less than 10% no matter what you look like. Do the past events you keep harping on actively
interfere with you doing any of those things? No.

How could people ever fail at something that is so "Easy" amirite? :/

Not what I asked. I asked how slavery over 100 years ago prevents them from doing this. Especially since many were much, much better at it in the era
leading up to Civil Rights and the Great Society/War on Poverty than they are now.

I don't think I should explain this, look up post-slavery segregation/discrimination.

Maybe you should re-acquaint yourself with the timing of Civil Rights and the Great Society.

I am well aware that the Jim Crow Era was a challenge in more ways than one for blacks, but the fact remains that black families were more prevalent
and stronger with a better level of education and a better ability to get and hold down what jobs were available to them in those years than they are
now.

So between that time and this, something changed despite a political climate that should have made those already challenging activities that
blacks were fairly successful at far easier.

I am asking you how slavery and the sudden outlawing of the obstacles in their way in any way excuses the destruction of the black family, black
educational prowess and the ability of blacks to get and hold down jobs when they were succeeding at it before with the obstacles there.

It makes NO sense.

Just something to put out there, sex isn't easily controlled. And when you can't afford the responsibility that comes with it some people bail. You do
however understand that many times during slavery, child and father would have separate owners, they were separated many times. Slavery also prevented
slaves from getting married. I don't think getting married is at the top of the agenda after the end of slavery either.

I lived near Chicago but in the suburbs, I graduated with the one and only black friend from k thru 12. None of us "privileged" ever treated him
different or saw him different. But I will tell you what, when we went into the city we were treated different by the black community. I think blacks
are far more racist that white people!

Not sure what your reply has to do with the statement made but....it seems that very early on the freed blacks tried much much harder...they had to I
suppose....this resulted in well educated ex slaves quite successful blacks in many ways and it seems in many instances they were more successful than
poor whites. I agree with the poster...something changed along the way and instead of progress envisioned by the fighters of the MLK era we got
ghettos gangs victimhood compensation culture blame culture blah blah. I think nailing the changing point could be a start

Who gives a sh!t what color you or anybody else is. But don't you think it is funny how easy it is to call someone a racist online. Pretty weak if you
ask me. Why don't you go into a biker bar or some other public place and randomly start calling people racist to their face. Then come back here after
your hospital stay and write thread telling us how well it went.

edit on 23-9-2016 by Tarzan the apeman. because: I spell badly and my english aint so great either

I get that, but there was a time after slavery and before now when African American had gotten past it and had formed strong families.

So you can only use this excuse if there was never any evidence of a formation of strong black families and communities in the first place and yet
there is.

Your whole premise hinges on removing an entire set of facts about African Americans and then seeming together the past with the future, sort of like
climate scientists do when they ignore the 1930s and the Medieval Warm Period.

From my experiences, blacks and Mexicans can give any average white guy a run for their money in being racist. Let's face it, any and all races have
have no shortages of racism. Don't give me crap like, "oh I went to Iceland and those people don't have a racist bone in their body." Throughout
nature exists the desire to act out on things that look and act different than our own clan. Humans should be evolved beyond this but yeah, that isn't
the case. Why white people are more effected than any other race? Come on. We say blacks have been "held down for centuries" yet they have taken all
that with a grain of salt and let bygones be bygones? It's the whites that have the chip on their shoulders? They also are the ones going "protest
shopping" to stand up for all the inequalities and injustices happening as of late.
Yes, white people as a whole are horrible.

It actually IS a better world today....because we no longer tolerate those things. Humans learn they evolve they change but sometimes we have to go
through crap to see the light. That said, there will always I repeat ALWAYS be a top dog, and the dog bites the cat the cat bites the mouse etc etc
The early settlers did what they thought AT THAT TIME to be right, it was a matter of survival for many. Was there another way? I have no idea but at
that time in history that was how it was. Its no longer like that and that is the bit that should be embraced. People should be saying "Phew thank God
that won't happen again" and moving forward grateful its over and hopefully everyone learned their lesson, not clamouring for handouts reparations and
special treatment for something they never experienced

I get that, but there was a time after slavery and before now when African American had gotten past it and had formed strong families.

So you can only use this excuse if there was never any evidence of a formation of strong black families and communities in the first place and yet
there is.

Your whole premise hinges on removing an entire set of facts about African Americans and then seeming together the past with the future, sort of like
climate scientists do when they ignore the 1930s and the Medieval Warm Period.

Heh 'excuse'. Well let me say here I'm not knowledgable of the period you speak where african american had formed strong families. They also form
strong families today. Do you have any statistics of the period you speak of which would suggest that there was a period where the black had extremely
low child abondoning rates post-slavery?

originally posted by: Willtell
On the other hand praise to the millions of America white people like the great John Brown and even Abe Lincoln to a lesser degree, for fighting and
dying for that lofty principle of equality for all in, for example, the civil war.

The irony is that millions of white people willingly fought and died for the freedom of black people

All Americans should be proud of that

So when one rightly condemns the white racists always remember the great and honorable white people of America who were some of the greatest human
beings in history who died to free black people.

For every racist there is a John Brown

Lincoln didnt fight for equality. matter of fact he was going to deport them all away. Lincoln betrayed the constitution and his oath by not allowing
the south to do as it saw fit like the north. Lincoln wasnt a honorable man. Freeing the slaves was cover for what he did and thats it.

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