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Berberine HCL is the strongest I know of. It´s been shown to work mg/mg just like the drug Metformin.

No shit! Now the question is if insulin resistance is not present, diet is on par, training is intense, do drugs and supps like that give your body a supraphysiological response or do they have no effect at all since there is no real issue. I mean there has to be a threshold where it cannot get much better.

i noticed in the vertical diet plan that stan efferding does not use rice in his ‘cutting’ template which is a bit suprising to me. is there a particular reason for this? maybe cause the carbs are relatively low and you get enough carbs from the fruits, juices, sweet potatoes??

i noticed in the vertical diet plan that stan efferding does not use rice in his ‘cutting’ template which is a bit suprising to me. is there a particular reason for this? maybe cause the carbs are relatively low and you get enough carbs from the fruits, juices, sweet potatoes??

Bruce Lee said it best: "Absorb what is useful and discard what is not."

very true AB. also which i came across, is that the example template that stan layed out is roughly 1750cals which is on the very low end of what the majority of people would need. once you have the cranberry juice, orange juice, fruit, and sweet potato, there arent many carbs left to ‘fill’. with that said, im guessing you could add rice into your meals as long as it fits and supporte the overall diet and workout routine.

i was curious if the white rhino thought for rapid fat loss avoiding rice would be beneficial- possibly because of the starch.

very true AB. also which i came across, is that the example template that stan layed out is roughly 1750cals which is on the very low end of what the majority of people would need. once you have the cranberry juice, orange juice, fruit, and sweet potato, there arent many carbs left to ‘fill’. with that said, im guessing you could add rice into your meals as long as it fits and supporte the overall diet and workout routine.

i was curious if the white rhino thought for rapid fat loss avoiding rice would be beneficial- possibly because of the starch.

Keep carbs in before training and after. Other meals you honestly don't need it added unless you're trying to gain weight. Everyone is different so you have to experience quite a bit of trial and error.

seven rules

I apply the seven rules that Stan Efferding described in his article. I am a college student and it is very difficult for me to organize my time considering training and proper nutrition.
Here are these seven rules:
1. Sleep more than usual.
2. Eat healthy, protein-rich food
3. Drink water with a little salt
4. Train hard
5. Be careful with cardio
6. Take supplements wisely
7. Identify goals and track progress.
Never underestimate the importance of setting goals and tracking your progress for the right mix of masses. I want to be able to assess my progress daily, weekly, monthly and yearly to be responsible and to be sure that I am achieving my goals. More about my results read here.

Stay focused and don't deviate HD ...

Originally Posted by hardwell

I apply the seven rules that Stan Efferding described in his article. I am a college student and it is very difficult for me to organize my time considering training and proper nutrition.
Here are these seven rules:
1. Sleep more than usual.
2. Eat healthy, protein-rich food
3. Drink water with a little salt
4. Train hard
5. Be careful with cardio
6. Take supplements wisely
7. Identify goals and track progress.
Never underestimate the importance of setting goals and tracking your progress for the right mix of masses. I want to be able to assess my progress daily, weekly, monthly and yearly to be responsible and to be sure that I am achieving my goals. More about my results read here.

Please keep us updated with your progress! Good luck on your path to "HUGENESS"!

No shit! Now the question is if insulin resistance is not present, diet is on par, training is intense, do drugs and supps like that give your body a supraphysiological response or do they have no effect at all since there is no real issue. I mean there has to be a threshold where it cannot get much better.

That´s a very good point, Chris.

We can take this even a bit further and ask: Could those supplements in this scenario even be destructive/counterproductive in the scenario you are describing? For example, I know Metformin also causes diminished carbohydrate absorption in the gut. Meaning some of the carbs you´re eating are just passing through untouched (Which can cause severe diarrhea or constipation).

I have sea salted my meals for 10 years, and everyone should. Salt is good it helps transport the nutrients throughout our systems. Just like people who compete you want salt on show day to push the carbs to your muscles to fill out.

Avoiding sodium and salt is bad..
Now getting 1g from a TV dinner that is comparing apples to oranges.

I have sea salted my meals for 10 years, and everyone should. Salt is good it helps transport the nutrients throughout our systems. Just like people who compete you want salt on show day to push the carbs to your muscles to fill out.

Avoiding sodium and salt is bad..
Now getting 1g from a TV dinner that is comparing apples to oranges.

If you can find Iodized Sea Salt, you're golden! I've luckily found one brand and it comes from Belgium but is quite cheap.