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I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Summa Theologica: First part. Question 36, article 2: Whether the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Son?"...Hence also the Greeks themselves recognize that the procession of the Holy Ghost has some order to the Son. For they grant that the Holy Ghost is the Spirit "of the Son"; and that He is from the Father "through the Son." Some of them are said also to concede that "He is from the Son"; or that "He flows from the Son," but not that He proceeds..."Thomas's exposition has to some extent been superceded by a recent document.http://www.scoba.us/resources/orthodox-catholic/2003filioque.html

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Surely you mean the 2nd Council of Lyons (1272-1274), not the Council of Florence.

I have read some of St. Thomas's Summa Theologica, and I am confused. Question: In his writings does he support the filioque addition?

Thomas Aquinas was one of several theologians who did not accept the concept of the Immaculate Conception, as it was not considered to be Catholic dogma then.

However, since he was born after the Great Schism (1054 A.D.) and the filioque was one of the main reasons for the schism between Catholics and Orthodoxy, yes, he supported the doctrine of the filioque. Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Surely you mean the 2nd Council of Lyons (1272-1274), not the Council of Florence.

Yes, you are correct as he was born in 1225 and died on 7 March 1274.Thank you.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

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O Lord although I desired to blot outwith my tears the handwriting of my many sinsAnd for the rest of my life to please Thee through sincere repentanceYet doth the enemy lead me astray as he wareth against my sould with his cunning

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

bummer

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"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Obviously, St. Seraphim saw the good and acknowledged it.Pope John-Paul II mentioned St. Seraphim and St. Dominic in his book Threshold of Hope (I think it was called).Both emitted the Holy Light of Christ from their foreheads, a foretaste of our own glorification at the Final Resurrection.

« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 05:07:12 PM by Maria »

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Obviously, St. Seraphim saw the good and acknowledged it.Pope John-Paul II mentioned St. Seraphim and St. Dominic in his book Threshold of Hope (I think it was called).Both emitted the Holy Light of Christ from their foreheads, a foretaste of our own glorification at the Final Resurrection.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

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"Hearing a nun's confession is like being stoned to death with popcorn." --Abp. Fulton Sheen

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

One can only hope.

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"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Be careful what you wish for !

Besides, when did Papist become crypto ?

Oh, I'm not. Everybody knows how I feel about pretty much everything at this point.

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"For, by its immensity, the divine substance surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is. Yet we are able to have some knowledge of it by knowing what it is not." - St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa contra gentiles, I, 14.

Nevertheless, he was on his way to the Council of Florence to help "solve" the schism when he died.

Now I'm sad.

i doubt much would have come of it either way...

Still, I can dream.

Who knows?

Perhaps he would have joined the Orthodox Church?In fact, the Dominicans, to which St. Thomas Aquinas belonged, did send two groups of Dominican friars to the East to help "solve" the schism: one to Constantinople, and the other to Georgia. Both priories converted to Orthodoxy. The ones in Georgia were known as the white monks as they did not have the funds to buy expensive black monastic robes. St. Seraphim of Sarov adopted the white habit and the Rosary devotion from these ex-Dominicans.

Cool. Is there a source for this?

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Cue a post from Stashko denouncing St. Seraphim for being a crypto-Papist.

Be careful what you wish for !

Besides, when did Papist become crypto ?

Oh, I'm not. Everybody knows how I feel about pretty much everything at this point.

Three of my Dominican professors at a Catholic university that I attended mentioned this defection. It is part of the Dominican history that they studied while undergoing the Dominican novitiate at St. Albert's Priory in Berkeley, California. Unfortunately, I did not have access to their novitiate texts. The fact that St. Seraphim of Sarov personally adopted not only the white monastic garb but also gave his nuns a form of the Dominican Rosary speaks volumes.

Thanks. Doesn't really surprise me - there's a lot of vignettes like this in medieval/early modern history, especially in Eastern Europe, which are undiscovered or which are known only to a small group of historians.

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O Lord although I desired to blot outwith my tears the handwriting of my many sinsAnd for the rest of my life to please Thee through sincere repentanceYet doth the enemy lead me astray as he wareth against my sould with his cunning