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No, we can make it great!.. well we can if Reno would try a little harder.

Originally Posted by Crusina

Nice post Blue Harvest, I'm going to assume that post of yours involving the angry rant actually this has a lot to do with Escavalier, and definitely not Shedinja?

It has to do with the POTW, good enough for me.

Originally Posted by Crusina

I don't think it has an inferiority to Scizor since the way they are played is different. Its sort of a dragonite/salamence relationship, one's faster, one's bulkier, etc, and they have overlap on many sets, but they never quite play the same way.

I did forget to mention that He does extremely well on rain teams as you mentioned.

Yeah except unlike Salamence vs Dragonite who actually outclass each other in different areas Scizor outclasses Escavalier in literally every way. Escavalier is garbage sadly, because its a really cool Pokemon (and its cry rocks). A little more special bulk + Megahorn is not enough to beat Scizor's infinite utility with Bullet Punch / Quick Attack, powerful Pursuits, tide turning U-turns and *not raped as bad by Heatran / Magnezone* Superpowers. 65 speed outruns a TON of stuff with minimal or heavy investment like Tyranitar, Skarmory, defensive Heatran and virtually all other walls. Escavalier's Special bulk is wasted due to the fact that it is outrun by everything and it has no priority.

Anyone who thinks Escavalier is even remotely usable compared to Scizor has no idea how this game is played

No, we can make it great!.. well we can if Reno would try a little harder.

It has to do with the POTW, good enough for me.

Yeah except unlike Salamence vs Dragonite who actually outclass each other in different areas Scizor outclasses Escavalier in literally every way. Escavalier is garbage sadly, because its a really cool Pokemon (and its cry rocks). A little more special bulk + Megahorn is not enough to beat Scizor's infinite utility with Bullet Punch / Quick Attack, powerful Pursuits, tide turning U-turns and *not

raped as bad by Heatran / Magnezone* Superpowers. 65 speed outruns a TON of stuff with minimal or heavy investment like Tyranitar, Skarmory, defensive Heatran and virtually all other walls. Escavalier's Special bulk is wasted due to the fact that it is outrun by everything and it has no priority.

Anyone who thinks Escavalier is even remotely usable compared to Scizor has no idea how this game is played

Basically, this is a better versoin of Scizor...given Trick Room. Also, it may not have Roost, but it is considerably more bulky, yet being able to hit just as hard. If you think you can protect against Fire moves moreso than the average team, screw Scizor and try Escavalier instead!

A Rest set is plausible with either Leftovers or Chesto Berry, but the main point here to use Escavalier over someone like Scizor or Genesect is Megahorn while still having access to iron Head (advatanges over Scizor) and the super-powerful Megahorn and pure power. It also has Swords Dance to put over Genesect's head.

Scizor and Genesect are the more tricky Pokemon. Escavalier is what you want with pure brawn and invincible bulk.

Now for actual moves...
Megahorn/Iron Head and their pure brute force is really all the coverage Escavalier needs. It gets walled by Keldeo and most Steel-Types. With that in mind, you can throw in a bunch of random support moves such as Toxic, Knock Off, perhaps a random Hidden Power. (60 SpAtk isn't THAT bad...on par with...Spinda.)

This is especially important if not running Swords Dance. Aerial Ace can help against the random Keldeo, but offers little else. The bad movepool makes way for an interesting move such as Scary Face (perhaps to help setup a teammate?).

Pursuit is another viable move, but unless you're trying to shoot down a Gengar locked into Shadow Ball, it won't help much. Due to such open space, expect Protect and Substitute to be popular moves.

As a final note, you may complain about Megahorn's bad Accuracy. It is perfectly plausible to run both Megahorn and X-Scissor. Escavalier doesn't have much of a movepool to boast about anyway. so don't think it's counterproductive. There are just times you want a Bug STAB with perfect Accuracy and don't need the strength of Megahorn.

As a final note:
Karrablast + Little Cup + No Guard + Megahorn

Good day.

Last edited by PhilosophicalPsychologica; 14th November 2011 at 7:06 AM.

Choice Band double its insane attack, which is good. Megahorn, X-Scissor and Iron Head explain itselves. Slash damage alot while Double Edge also do the same, only taking recoil. Reversal are for Forretress, Ferrothorn and Bisharp that will try to wall you.

Other options...

Knock Off. Since Escavalier is a powerhouse, F.E.A.R would ruin him. Knock off knocks the Focus Sash.
Occa Berry. Reduce the damage from Fire type moves.

Partners...
Trick Room and Rain Dance Team would help him. I believe Slowbro, Slowking and Jellicent would be the best choice, as they cover the only weakness of Escavalier.

Countering...
Heatran resist the STAB of Escavalier. Droughtales is also a good choice.

Basically, this is a better versoin of Scizor...given Trick Room. Also, it may not have Roost, but it is considerably more bulky, yet being able to hit just as hard. If you think you can protect against Fire moves moreso than the average team, screw Scizor and try Escavalier instead!

A Rest set is plausible with either Leftovers or Chesto Berry, but the main point here to use Escavalier over someone like Scizor or Genesect is Megahorn while still having access to iron Head (advatanges over Scizor) and the super-powerful Megahorn and pure power. It also has Swords Dance to put over Genesect's head.

Scizor and Genesect are the more tricky Pokemon. Escavalier is what you want with pure brawn and invincible bulk.

Scizor and Escav' don't compare. Same Type, HP, and near-identical Attack, but Escav' is a defensive Pokemon, Scizor is an offensive one. It's much like comparing New York- and Chicago-style pizza:
-New York-style is designed for people constantly on the go in their routine (like Scizor on rapid offense)
-Chicago-style is designed for people able to sit down and relax for a while (like Escav' on drawn-out defense)
...you can't compare Escav' and Scizor just because of their classifications. Apples and oranges are both fruit, but beyond that, not at all alike.

However, when Trick Room is active, all bets are off. Scizor still has Technician-Bullet Punch to go first, but Escav's Iron Head beats it on damage output. Same with Megahorn, even without Swarm, VS Technician-Bug Bite.

Yeah except unlike Salamence vs Dragonite who actually outclass each other in different areas Scizor outclasses Escavalier in literally every way. Escavalier is garbage sadly, because its a really cool Pokemon (and its cry rocks). A little more special bulk + Megahorn is not enough to beat Scizor's infinite utility with Bullet Punch / Quick Attack, powerful Pursuits, tide turning U-turns and *not raped as bad by Heatran / Magnezone* Superpowers. 65 speed outruns a TON of stuff with minimal or heavy investment like Tyranitar, Skarmory, defensive Heatran and virtually all other walls. Escavalier's Special bulk is wasted due to the fact that it is outrun by everything and it has no priority.

Anyone who thinks Escavalier is even remotely usable compared to Scizor has no idea how this game is played

First of all, this is supposed to be about POTW, but since you insist on being a hypocrite and I suck at backing down I feel like I have to point out a few things.

1. you only said "it's good enough for me" to save face for the fact that you posted in the wrong thread, about the wrong pokemon, trash talking about someone...in the wrong thread. Which I find funny.

Of course there is. What's your point? The POTW is supposed to list the best possible uses of a Pokemon.

So saying he sucks, if you don't know he sucks you don't know pokemon etc, is directly contradicting what you said earlier. Which I'm guessing you only said to make yourself look better when everyone was trashing Granbull and you wanted to act like a leader of the lost or something, now when everyone likes the pokemon in question, you're downplaying everything it can do because it makes you look intelligent because you aren't following the masses in their "it's a fantastic pokemon111!!"

We all know it's outclassed in most area's, but as YOU said, focus on what it can do well, not what's better.

((see? I can attack you to! It's fun to mock people isn't it? (That's sarcasm btw))

3. Regardless, it's obvious that you are an intelligent person, but you're starting fights, attacking people, and acting like a douche. Why don't you prove you're the better person in every area, starting with how you act, before attempting to gain any position of power?

Now, that I've brought up all relevant points if you have a problem, PM me, PM the webmaster, but stop bringing your grievances onto these threads, and unlike me, stay on topic please. This thread is about a specific pokemon, keep the discussion on that pokemon.

Last edited by Crusina; 14th November 2011 at 4:15 PM.

“What if she's all I give you in this life of ours, my love?" she asked quietly.
"Then I'll shout at the goddess in fury," he said fiercely. "I'll beg to know why I've been given so much when other men have so little.”

“And through all the misery, she said that some of us in this lifetime experience a moment of beauty beyond reckoning. I asked her what that was, and she said, "If you're one of the lucky ones, you'll know it when you see it. You'll understand why the gods have made you suffer. Because that moment's reward will make your knees weak and everything you've suffered in life will pale in comparison.”

Basically, this is a better versoin of Scizor...given Trick Room. Also, it may not have Roost, but it is considerably more bulky, yet being able to hit just as hard. If you think you can protect against Fire moves moreso than the average team, screw Scizor and try Escavalier instead!

A Rest set is plausible with either Leftovers or Chesto Berry, but the main point here to use Escavalier over someone like Scizor or Genesect is Megahorn while still having access to iron Head (advatanges over Scizor) and the super-powerful Megahorn and pure power. It also has Swords Dance to put over Genesect's head.

Scizor and Genesect are the more tricky Pokemon. Escavalier is what you want with pure brawn and invincible bulk.

Now for actual moves...Megahorn/Iron Head and their pure brute force is really all the coverage Escavalier needs. It gets walled by Keldeo and most Steel-Types. With that in mind, you can throw in a bunch of random support moves such as Toxic, Knock Off, perhaps a random Hidden Power. (60 SpAtk isn't THAT bad...on par with...Spinda.)

This is especially important if not running Swords Dance. Aerial Ace can help against the random Keldeo, but offers little else. The bad movepool makes way for an interesting move such as Scary Face (perhaps to help setup a teammate?).

Pursuit is another viable move, but unless you're trying to shoot down a Gengar locked into Shadow Ball, it won't help much. Due to such open space, expect Protect and Substitute to be popular moves.

As a final note, you may complain about Megahorn's bad Accuracy. It is perfectly plausible to run both Megahorn and X-Scissor. Escavalier doesn't have much of a movepool to boast about anyway. so don't think it's counterproductive. There are just times you want a Bug STAB with perfect Accuracy and don't need the strength of Megahorn.

As a final note:
Karrablast + Little Cup + No Guard + Megahorn

Good day.

Scizor is better in that it can ACTUALLY hit steels and fire types with brick break and superpower (chandelure can beat both) (toxic don't hurt steels)
so what if he have more Special attack still he doesn't compare to scizor as an offfensive pokemon with 20 speed and his main problem-m limited move pool.

what he needs is a better movepool then there should be a POTW cause with iron head and megahorn he have really bad coverage.

there are 5 steel/bug types

foretress=hazards
scizor=offence
Durant=Hustle+ hone claws = offence
genesect=mostly scarfed= revenge killer but can work with his 99 speed too as a Life orb user boltbeam,flamethrower,bugbuzz something like nidoking.

excavalier.. have bad move pool he can't be a supporter his main use is trick room offence.

You can basically use him to scare the crap out of any psychic, or on a trick room team, or just to simply punch holes.

But he doesn't set up hazards, can only revenge kill with pursuit really, and his weakness to fire isn't unlike any other pokemon (tyrannitar obviously is X4 weak to fighting and that doesn't stop him) but his speed and lack of means to boost it regardless means he can't handle anything with a fire attack unless it's in rain.

Plus he can't U-turn, which would be great to save him for later if you predict a fire switch, but he doesn't get it...

It's stupid how gamefreak makes a pokemon based on a Knight, and doesn't give it flame charge, close combat, flare blitz, anything related to charging/combat beyond megahorn basically.

Although my excavalier once did 2HKO a bold zapdos.

Last edited by Crusina; 14th November 2011 at 6:24 PM.

“What if she's all I give you in this life of ours, my love?" she asked quietly.
"Then I'll shout at the goddess in fury," he said fiercely. "I'll beg to know why I've been given so much when other men have so little.”

“And through all the misery, she said that some of us in this lifetime experience a moment of beauty beyond reckoning. I asked her what that was, and she said, "If you're one of the lucky ones, you'll know it when you see it. You'll understand why the gods have made you suffer. Because that moment's reward will make your knees weak and everything you've suffered in life will pale in comparison.”

So saying he sucks, if you don't know he sucks you don't know pokemon etc, is directly contradicting what you said earlier. Which I'm guessing you only said to make yourself look better when everyone was trashing Granbull and you wanted to act like a leader of the lost or something, now when everyone likes the pokemon in question, you're downplaying everything it can do because it makes you look intelligent because you aren't following the masses in their "it's a fantastic pokemon111!!"

If I was to ever be crazy enough to use Exca in OU I would use this (IN THE RAIN). Special Defense is great enough to never be 2HKOed by LO Latios HP Fire and only take ~34% from +1 Reuniclus Focus Blast. Megahorn easily 2HKOs defensive Reuniclus while OHKOing Trick Room Reun (8 attack guarantees this) and all Latios / Latias. Special Bulk takes 40% max from Gengar's LO Focus Blast letting you usually beat it. Shell Armor prevents annoying crits. LO Starmie Hydro Pump 2HKOs in the rain but even then you always survive Thunderbolt + Hydro Pump. Without Rain Hydro Pump is a 3HKO. Knock Off is good in the last slot to cripple Pokemon like Skarmory, Infernape and Heatran but Protect lets Exca live a bit longer and scout choiced opponents.

But yeah, I'm siding with BH on this one. I'm not going to explain everything she's said already. LOL.

I'm kidding about that haxorus thing XD

And I agree for the most part, but most people use it in UU...which doesn't have Scizor anyways and the like anyways.

“What if she's all I give you in this life of ours, my love?" she asked quietly.
"Then I'll shout at the goddess in fury," he said fiercely. "I'll beg to know why I've been given so much when other men have so little.”

“And through all the misery, she said that some of us in this lifetime experience a moment of beauty beyond reckoning. I asked her what that was, and she said, "If you're one of the lucky ones, you'll know it when you see it. You'll understand why the gods have made you suffer. Because that moment's reward will make your knees weak and everything you've suffered in life will pale in comparison.”

I don't know if this has already been settled, but I saw a lot of people giving it swords dance on trick room sets. That wouldn't turn out too well. First, a pokemon uses trick room. Then it swaps out. Excavalier uses Swords Dance. Now it has only two turns to sweep, because you wasted that first turn on Swords Dance.

Reno listed the Shedinja set priorities out of order and mentioned ubers way too much despite Shedinja being absolutely terrible in ubers.

Oh well its still Shedinja, kinda hard to **** that up.

Excavalier has a Choice Band set, and Swords Dance set. It doesn't have any other viable sets but I guess Reno will list some random Counter / Flail gimmick.

Heh, no fan of Reno?

But on to Escavalier...

Pretty cool looking. Great attack, good defenses. Speed most usable on TR teams (maybe worth going with Brave/0 IV Speed even if not on a TR team, to counter opposing TR teams). Shallow movepool. EXTREMELY boring.

Swarm is an okay ability, a boosted Megahorn hurts badly.Shell Armor pairs pretty well with its defenses (even better if it'd ever use a defense-boosting attack, but that isn't the case), and protects you from the hax that always seem to get me.Overcoat is useless. It protects you from... hail?

The only way to really make use of Escavalier is in a TR team. Or possibly a rain team. That 4x weakness to fire would force Escavalier to switch, losing the SD boost(s), under the assumption that all teams have something faster with a fire type move to take you down.
Choice Band sure gives it a punch, but without good prediction (and some luck), that won't get you too far.

The only "surprises" it could bring to the table would be Knock Off, Toxic or maybe Scary Face/Screech to leave the opposing poké scarred. Though they're not really threatening or likely scenarios.

really, excalaveir is an awesome pokemon, but is unfortionatly outclassed by scizor in every way.
BUT
UU classification saves it, and it can do very well in said tier. Just watch out for UU chandelure.

I, too, applaud the use of Hidden Power to cover Escav's one Weakness. I don't like the fact Escav' only has Base 60 Sp.Atk, but it could be a lot worse. That said, Ground or Rock could be alternative Hidden Power Types, but they wouldn't get a boost from Rain, which that particular set might also rely heavily upon.

These examples show that damage from Hidden Power (Water) with Rain is quite respectable, even though it's kind of weak normally. Barring a Drought-tales, Hippow-Stream, or Sand-ranitar's intervention, you can 1-to-3 K.O. many Fire Types and/or Rock Types. As to Bug Buzz, I'd advise against with that set...

Sorry for the (potential) double-post. I get paranoid about editing and about submitting large posts in-general...

Those are just examples of best and worst possible Sp.Def from the best and worst Special Defenders of those Types. I don't recommend taking Escav' to face Ho-oh, nor to stand its ground against Fire Types at all. I just posted the damage output to show my point with best- and worst-case scenarios on Move Type effectiveness and potential switch-in hits.

Wow! Escavalier is a pretty good pokemon. But it's super hard to get unless you know someone...But it's amazing 135 attack and it 105 special defense and regular defence are amzing. Of course we have to consider it HORRIBLE speed. Any ability would be great :P
A Good move-set is::
Iron defence
swords dance
X-sissor
Iron head
I would give it a shell bell :P

Wow! Escavalier is a pretty good pokemon. But it's super hard to get unless you know someone...But it's amazing 135 attack and it 105 special defense and regular defence are amzing. Of course we have to consider it HORRIBLE speed. Any ability would be great :P
A Good move-set is::
Iron defence
swords dance
X-sissor
Iron head
I would give it a shell bell :P

Leftovers outclasses Shell Bell in every way.

Credit to Beck for the RNG userbar.
As of August 18th 2012, I resigned as a CG leader.

I think that with the correct nature and ev spread, Focus Blast would be a good answer to those Steel types with giant defense, but lower sp. defense...Hidden Power is in the same boat too... Add those to Megahorn and whatever else you want, and you've got yourself a bug with pretty good coverage