PonceAlyosha:I was under the impression that Saint's Row 3 was pretty well regarded.

I thought that was the case too. SR1 and 2 were pretty solid games too. They managed to out-GTA GTA on the balls out zany fun. Never played SR3, but that's more because I just haven't played many games lately.

RodneyToady:I actually just started playing SR3 about a week ago, after a big sale on Steam. I'm finding it more enjoyable than GTA IV.

I haven't played any of the Saints Row series, but GTA4 wasn't as fun as the previous games in the series for me, and it seemed too easy to die or get caught with a six star wanted level. The Lost and the Damned wasn't much better, but I haven't had the chance to play the Ballad of Gay Tony yet.

Also Red Dead Redemption is overrated. It seems like there's none of the silliness that was in GTA3 or Vice City. The series began to suck with San Andreas.

Step 1: The city sandbox genre is built on the premise that you are given all sorts of fun toys, and in order to overcome the obstacles in your path, you have to experiment with the procedurally-generated game world and the various toys that you're given.Step 2: Make a game so utterly easy that there is no reason to experiment with any of these variables.Step 3: Reward all of this progress with statistics, property, vehicles, and weapons, all of which are pointless because you can pretty much beat everything in the game by shooting everything in the head with the starter pistol. In-effect, this doubles down on the things that derailed the Grand Theft Auto franchise during the Vice City and San Andreas years.Step 4: Go play Crackdown or Grand Theft Auto III instead.

skinink:I haven't played any of the Saints Row series, but GTA4 wasn't as fun as the previous games in the series for me, and it seemed too easy to die or get caught with a six star wanted level. The Lost and the Damned wasn't much better, but I haven't had the chance to play the Ballad of Gay Tony yet.

BOGT helped redeem it. Brought back some of the zanyness (not much, but a touch) and was more fun on a fun/time played basis than the main story or TLAD.

Mike_LowELL:Step 1: The city sandbox genre is built on the premise that you are given all sorts of fun toys, and in order to overcome the obstacles in your path, you have to experiment with the procedurally-generated game world and the various toys that you're given.Step 2: Make a game so utterly easy that there is no reason to experiment with any of these variables.Step 3: Reward all of this progress with statistics, property, vehicles, and weapons, all of which are pointless because you can pretty much beat everything in the game by shooting everything in the head with the starter pistol. In-effect, this doubles down on the things that derailed the Grand Theft Auto franchise during the Vice City and San Andreas years.Step 4: Go play Crackdown or Grand Theft Auto III instead.

Yes, let's fight over it.

Are you talking about SR3?

Because comparing it to GTA is like comparing Tex Avery cartoons to Grave of the Fireflies.

Nemo's Brother:I miss their N64 Wrestling Games. The fact that they did not carry that engine over to newer games shows they deserve to die.

They didn't own that engine, AKI did. and in an interview with IGN they asked THQ why they don't re-release those games on Xbox arcade etc. THQ said they couldn't because they couldn't find AKI or whoever bought them or if they just dissolved.

as for this article: fark there goes Darksiders and the South Park RPG which look farkin' awesome!

Dougie AXP:Nemo's Brother: I miss their N64 Wrestling Games. The fact that they did not carry that engine over to newer games shows they deserve to die.

They didn't own that engine, AKI did. and in an interview with IGN they asked THQ why they don't re-release those games on Xbox arcade etc. THQ said they couldn't because they couldn't find AKI or whoever bought them or if they just dissolved.

as for this article: fark there goes Darksiders and the South Park RPG which look farkin' awesome!

I want to get DS2, but the PC port was fraught with issues which will probably not get patched now.

I have to go against the SR3 group think here and say I didn't love it. Does every mission have to be an epic slug fest where you kill 483583745 cops and blow up half the city? What about some finesse and build up like the GTA series gives you? Granted GTA 4 was my least favorite of the 3d era but I did play through the whole thing. Saints Row I gave up after around 12 exhausting hours of "play"

skinink:RodneyToady: I actually just started playing SR3 about a week ago, after a big sale on Steam. I'm finding it more enjoyable than GTA IV.

I haven't played any of the Saints Row series, but GTA4 wasn't as fun as the previous games in the series for me, and it seemed too easy to die or get caught with a six star wanted level. The Lost and the Damned wasn't much better, but I haven't had the chance to play the Ballad of Gay Tony yet.

Also Red Dead Redemption is overrated. It seems like there's none of the silliness that was in GTA3 or Vice City. The series began to suck with San Andreas.

Vice City was definitely the high point of the series. San Andreas was more serious but added more content (a LOT more content) and more polish that VC. GTA4 was trying to be Godfather: The Game, and just ended up being really bland. The most believable, fully realized city I've ever seen, sure, but so incredibly bland. Snarkily named products and companies only do so much to counter a really morose plot and game world.

rosemary's baby daddy:I have to go against the SR3 group think here and say I didn't love it. Does every mission have to be an epic slug fest where you kill 483583745 cops and blow up half the city? What about some finesse and build up like the GTA series gives you? Granted GTA 4 was my least favorite of the 3d era but I did play through the whole thing. Saints Row I gave up after around 12 exhausting hours of "play"

Tis a shame. I rather enjoyed Saints row 2 and 3. They sucked at the WWE games though (or really all the sports games I tried with them). Sad as this is, there are plenty of other games out there. Currently playing far cry 3 which is exceptional btw. I recommend it to anyone who likes sandbox games.

I played and enjoyed SR2... couldn't get into SR3 though. I'm not entirely sure why, maybe the schtick just played itself out for me over the course of one game... not enough to keep me interested for two games.