Anyone have any experience with purevpn? Mainly concerned about the speeds they can offer. Supposedly, I speed-tested at 50Mbit+ (with speedboost) to one of their Canadian VPN servers today. Don't know if that was a good test though.

I suppose I should have posed the question as "do the copyright hounds look into the users of usenet indexing sites". Yes I use newsgroups to which the downloads are encrypted but I get the posts through an indexing site to which Im a member of.

VPN and encrypted protocols only protect transit and/or change your geo location. The end points know where the other end is. The law will ask the endpoint where the other end is. If they know that some IP copied a particular file they follow the trail without seeing the data itself. If the end point(s) give up who the other end is then encryption is irrelevant. So your mileage may vary.

That's right but that little detail needs to be clear before thinking that encryption alone will solve it.

Here's a tame scenario, Netflix knows that a U.S. IP is watching a movie. If my account and whatnot is valid then that's the end of it. They don't know that the IP is really a VPN endpoint with me somewhere else entirely. If they or someone with access decides that nobody is allowed to watch that movie then Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the VPN provider gives up my IP and now they all know.

To kick things off: I've done some initial research and two options jumped out as potentially useful: BoxPN and PrivateInternetAcess. Anyone ever use one of these?

I use private internet access, and I can tell you on torrents with enough seeds their VPN can easily max out my connection, I did posted screen shots on dslr a while back. They also don't keep logs and I paid with bit coins, so zero paper trails, remember even cash "can" leave a paper trail...lol. They give you a shared IP and the canadian servers are dmca free zones for now and they are P2P friendly VPN; not all VPNs are like that.

Private internet access has servers in north york and toronto and they use Amanah Tech and Yesup Host respectively.

Also you can have 3 simultaneous connections with them, others don't let you do that.

Prices is very low, it cost me about 2.95 bitcoins for 1 yr of service.

That's right but that little detail needs to be clear before thinking that encryption alone will solve it.

Here's a tame scenario, Netflix knows that a U.S. IP is watching a movie. If my account and whatnot is valid then that's the end of it. They don't know that the IP is really a VPN endpoint with me somewhere else entirely. If they or someone with access decides that nobody is allowed to watch that movie then Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the VPN provider gives up my IP and now they all know.

So pick your end point wisely....

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

To kick things off: I've done some initial research and two options jumped out as potentially useful: BoxPN and PrivateInternetAcess. Anyone ever use one of these?

I use private internet access, and I can tell you on torrents with enough seeds their VPN can easily max out my connection, I did posted screen shots on dslr a while back. They also don't keep logs and I paid with bit coins, so zero paper trails, remember even cash "can" leave a paper trail...lol. They give you a shared IP and the canadian servers are dmca free zones for now and they are P2P friendly VPN; not all VPNs are like that.

Private internet access has servers in north york and toronto and they use Amanah Tech and Yesup Host respectively.

Also you can have 3 simultaneous connections with them, others don't let you do that.

Prices is very low, it cost me about 2.95 bitcoins for 1 yr of service.

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

This is why you have to know what your VPN provider will do. And if someday the law is such that they must keep logs then the game changes again. So the question needs to be asked of the provider. Me and the hordes of hillbilly lawyers of the internet can't say for sure.

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

This is why you have to know what your VPN provider will do. And if someday the law is such that they must keep logs then the game changes again. So the question needs to be asked of the provider. Me and the hordes of hillbilly lawyers of the internet can't say for sure.

to say it again, pick your endpoint wisely.

and then they tell them by law you need to keep logs or you are an ilegal service, then what....ya see with these omnibus bills we inch closer to the net being useless just like they want.

If you actually read they log the IP for 3 days. This is obvious for any type of connection troubleshooting. They are also located outside of NA. Do you really think any paid VPN does not log the connection IP ? Get educated before you respond.

That's irrelevant...because if they log then they log, plain and simple.Also there are many paid VPNs that have zero logs of any kind; those are the VPNs you should look for, not some random free vpn crap that you posted.