first of all i was talking about joeckel and moore, not matthews. Secondly he starts running around before anything even happens half the time and because Joeckel (and to a lesser extend matthews) are so good he can actually scramble sideways and move upfield when he wants instead of having to go back because the edge is set by the defender.

and regards the crap qb to aa argument --> AJ McCarron

Im not sure about you but im just not ready to give a guy the heisman for playing a really good first half against alabama and feasting on soft teams

Put it this way, I think Manziel was the most deserving candidate.
BTW what was ND's schedule besides a list of soft teams??

Put it this way, I think Manziel was the most deserving candidate.
BTW what was ND's schedule besides a list of soft teams??

the preseason #1 ranked schedule
10 bowl eligible teams
2 conference champs
5 teams that have been ranked in the top 10

not that that has anything to do with the discussion as im not saying that manti should win, im just saying that manziel is a really flawed candidate and that people hating on manti makes them fail to address that

why do people keep bringing up ND, im not defending manti as a heisman candidate im saying manziel is a sucky one. If you ask me if manziel or tavon austin (just to name a name) deserves it more id easily pick the latter, same goes for franklin, clowney, lee, elam and warmack if were going for most outstanding player

Manziel only lost to 2 top level teams and he beat the (still) best team in the nation while setting new SEC offensive records. I don't think Johnny stands even with the Newtons/Luck/RG3/Ingrams/Gerharts of the past few years, but he is the best of what we have this year.

I could see Mathews staying, sliding over to LT and working his way to a top 5-10 pick

There's no reason he shouldn't be a top 10 pick this year. He's every bit as good as Joeckel and is better than the 2nd best OT by a fairly significant amount. Only thing that will hold him back as a prospect is being 6'4 but that won't change next year.