A GROUP of Swindon people who feel that some of the country’s most impoverished residents are being unfairly hit by spending cuts, price hikes and austerity measures are planning a string of demonstrations this year.

Before mapping out a plan of action, members of the recently formed Swindon People’s Assembly (SPA) want to get their group on a firm footing and have organised a key meeting for anyone interested.

Although critical of Government policies, the body is keen to stress that it is not affiliated to any political parties.

However, it is part of national organisation the People’s Assembly Against Austerity (PAAA), which organises protests against policies that are “disproportionately hitting the poorest and most vulnerable people in our society”.

One of the Swindon organisers, cleaner Kate Linnegars, 52, said the meeting at The Unite union offices, Stratton St Margaret on Thursday, January 30 was of major importance to the movement.

She said: “To truly reflect the nature of the Swindon People’s Assembly we need to have people involved from as many walks of life, campaign groups, unions and anyone else who feels strongly on these issues.

“At the meeting we will be deciding how our group goes forward into 2014, what local and national actions we wish to support or set up, and deciding if we want to go along the line of having a steering group.”

She said means of funding SPA events would also be on the agenda.

Kate, who has lived in Swindon for most of her life, said: “I don’t belong to any political party but I want to stand up and be counted as someone who is aware of and opposes the present government policies.

“I am very concerned about the effects of austerity cuts and privatisation on the NHS, education, welfare and the environment. They are all producing a negative effect on people’s standards of living and of their wellbeing.”

Kate, of Rodbourne, said the group was working with dozens of others around the country to oppose the cuts. She said: “People are disgusted by what’s happening.

“By setting up the Swindon Peoples Assembly we have the opportunity to help mobilise people and support each other in demonstrations, days of direct action and other ways.”

Last month the SPA organised its first event in Swindon, a peaceful demonstration in the town centre shortly before Christmas. The group sang specially worded carols and invited passers-by to sign a giant Christmas card addressed to the Prime Minister opposing “the negative impact that drastic economic policies” were having on lives.

The SPA meeting takes place at 7pm on January 30 at the Unite offices, 75 Swindon Road, Stratton St Margaret, SN3 4PU.

"Although critical of Government policies, the body is keen to stress that it is not affiliated to any political parties."
Perhaps not officially, but you can bet they are all left wing trotskies and the like. Interestingly they are meeting at a Unite branch in Swindon.
Not political - don't make me laugh.

"Although critical of Government policies, the body is keen to stress that it is not affiliated to any political parties."
Perhaps not officially, but you can bet they are all left wing trotskies and the like. Interestingly they are meeting at a Unite branch in Swindon.
Not political - don't make me laugh.Always Grumpy

"Swindon People’s Assembly" or the PAAA.
They sound like some relic for Stalinist Russia or China under Mao.

IMHO they are a bunch of Marxists too left wing even for the Labour Party (but apparently not for one of Labour’s biggest supports UNITE).

"Swindon People’s Assembly" or the PAAA.
They sound like some relic for Stalinist Russia or China under Mao.
IMHO they are a bunch of Marxists too left wing even for the Labour Party (but apparently not for one of Labour’s biggest supports UNITE).swindondad

The size of Welfare cannot be sustained, that is the reality. Yes we need a social safety net but life on benefits that is simply out of the question.
The best way moving forward is to make work pay: increase wages and lower taxation for the lowest paid, rather than increase benefits.

The size of Welfare cannot be sustained, that is the reality. Yes we need a social safety net but life on benefits that is simply out of the question.
The best way moving forward is to make work pay: increase wages and lower taxation for the lowest paid, rather than increase benefits.A.Baron-Cohen

I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing!

I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing!angelgrace

angelgrace wrote:
I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing!

In order:
Name calling is rather a waste of time! >>Agreed.

You should be ashamed of yourselves! >>Why?

You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. >> Too many double negatives in that sentence but I think you're suggesting that not all protesters are unemployed. If they are employed, how do they get the time off work for this kind of thing?

Very narrow minded indeed! >> Yes you are.

I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! >> "Nasty" cuts? How are they nasty cuts? (welfare benefits have increased every year since the coalition was formed).

I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! >> "Wealthy companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves.

Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! >> And most abnormal people too. If you increase wages, costs will also increase. To maintain profit margins will increase the cost of goods and services. Increasing the cost of goods and services will put pressure on the cost of living. It's a viscous cycle and simplistically increasing the wages of the lowest paid will not end that.

If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing! >> I've not called you anything, however you shouting down anyone that disagrees with your opinion shows how narrow minded you really are.

[quote][p][bold]angelgrace[/bold] wrote:
I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing![/p][/quote]In order:
Name calling is rather a waste of time! >>Agreed.
You should be ashamed of yourselves! >>Why?
You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. >> Too many double negatives in that sentence but I think you're suggesting that not all protesters are unemployed. If they are employed, how do they get the time off work for this kind of thing?
Very narrow minded indeed! >> Yes you are.
I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! >> "Nasty" cuts? How are they nasty cuts? (welfare benefits have increased every year since the coalition was formed).
I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! >> "Wealthy companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves.
Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! >> And most abnormal people too. If you increase wages, costs will also increase. To maintain profit margins will increase the cost of goods and services. Increasing the cost of goods and services will put pressure on the cost of living. It's a viscous cycle and simplistically increasing the wages of the lowest paid will not end that.
If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing! >> I've not called you anything, however you shouting down anyone that disagrees with your opinion shows how narrow minded you really are.The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

angelgrace wrote:
I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing!

I suggest you try and all read the comments again. I have, including my own, and cannot see where anyone commenting has claimed the crowd in question are unemployed.
My opinion of what this crowd represents and who they represent has not changed, despite your vitriolic outburst. Re-read the comments above for a more detailed reply to your tirade.

[quote][p][bold]angelgrace[/bold] wrote:
I have read the comments here. Name calling is rather a waste of time! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You do not know these people to judge if they are working or not! Not everyone who complains and protests are not always unemployed. Very narrow minded indeed! I say good luck to them and at least they are standing up against the nasty cuts! I say there are enough wealthy companies not paying their share of tax! Corporate greed needs to end! Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! If you want to name call on me go ahead and show how narrow minded you really are that changes nothing![/p][/quote]I suggest you try and all read the comments again. I have, including my own, and cannot see where anyone commenting has claimed the crowd in question are unemployed.
My opinion of what this crowd represents and who they represent has not changed, despite your vitriolic outburst. Re-read the comments above for a more detailed reply to your tirade.Always Grumpy

A few recent articles down here that may or may not make some of you reflect. Live and let live...guys. Is someone paying you to be so negative?
http://www.theguardi
an.com/business/2014
/jan/20/oxfam-85-ric
hest-people-half-of-
the-world
Oxfam: 85 richest people as wealthy as poorest half of the world
As World Economic Forum starts in Davos, development charity claims that growing inequality has been driven by a 'power grab' by wealthy elites

http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/jan/20/nazi-ge
rmany-apartheid-sout
h-africa-nelson-mand
ela
Be it Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa we must thank the few who resist
I'm proud that my parents joined Nelson Mandela's freedom struggle when it would have been easier for them to do nothing

A few recent articles down here that may or may not make some of you reflect. Live and let live...guys. Is someone paying you to be so negative?
http://www.theguardi
an.com/business/2014
/jan/20/oxfam-85-ric
hest-people-half-of-
the-world
Oxfam: 85 richest people as wealthy as poorest half of the world
As World Economic Forum starts in Davos, development charity claims that growing inequality has been driven by a 'power grab' by wealthy elites
http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/jan/20/nazi-ge
rmany-apartheid-sout
h-africa-nelson-mand
ela
Be it Nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa we must thank the few who resist
I'm proud that my parents joined Nelson Mandela's freedom struggle when it would have been easier for them to do nothinganyopinion

Just so you know, 'The People's Assembly' is a national movement of avant-guarde people from different walks of life, from the middle to high classes to the working classes, the unemployed and people with disabilities. What these people have in common is a vision of a better world that you 'narrow minded people' cannot even comprehend.

Last week a survey asked how the cost-of-living crisis was affecting people.
Below are some of the 6,897 personal stories we received.
If you want to know the true cost of David Cameron's government to our country, this is it:
"I've had to forgo meals so my kids could eat."
- Tony, Swindon
"It's become too expensive for my kids to visit me over weekends. As I am a pensioner, I feel lonely come Saturday and Sundays."
- Farooq, London
"I walk an hour to work because I can't afford the bus."
- Harriet, Brighton
"I'm a single mum and have had to skip meals so I can feed my three kids and pay the heating bill."
- Cheryl, Carlisle
"We worry about and struggle with the costs associated with getting to hospital."
- Phil, Sandwich
"I have to wear two and three extra items of clothing, because I cannot keep my heating on."
- Frank, Rochdale
"I had to get rid of my car and now have lodgers to help cover costs."
- Steve, Milton Keynes
"It is a stark choice between heating and eating."
- Sara, Liverpool
"I'm kept awake at night worrying about how we are going to keep a roof over our head."
- Sarah, Clywd
"I have two young kids and haven't had a pay rise in five years. I've never been out of work and am proud of supporting my own family, but we are sailing close to the edge."
- Sam, Gateshead

Just so you know, 'The People's Assembly' is a national movement of avant-guarde people from different walks of life, from the middle to high classes to the working classes, the unemployed and people with disabilities. What these people have in common is a vision of a better world that you 'narrow minded people' cannot even comprehend.
Last week a survey asked how the cost-of-living crisis was affecting people.
Below are some of the 6,897 personal stories we received.
If you want to know the true cost of David Cameron's government to our country, this is it:
"I've had to forgo meals so my kids could eat."
- Tony, Swindon
"It's become too expensive for my kids to visit me over weekends. As I am a pensioner, I feel lonely come Saturday and Sundays."
- Farooq, London
"I walk an hour to work because I can't afford the bus."
- Harriet, Brighton
"I'm a single mum and have had to skip meals so I can feed my three kids and pay the heating bill."
- Cheryl, Carlisle
"We worry about and struggle with the costs associated with getting to hospital."
- Phil, Sandwich
"I have to wear two and three extra items of clothing, because I cannot keep my heating on."
- Frank, Rochdale
"I had to get rid of my car and now have lodgers to help cover costs."
- Steve, Milton Keynes
"It is a stark choice between heating and eating."
- Sara, Liverpool
"I'm kept awake at night worrying about how we are going to keep a roof over our head."
- Sarah, Clywd
"I have two young kids and haven't had a pay rise in five years. I've never been out of work and am proud of supporting my own family, but we are sailing close to the edge."
- Sam, Gatesheadanyopinion

A SONG FOR OUR TIMES - Now all you good people - by popular demand, you can now listen to 'Bugger The Bankers'
Performed by 'The Austerity Allstars'
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD
6Io
Enjoy...

A SONG FOR OUR TIMES - Now all you good people - by popular demand, you can now listen to 'Bugger The Bankers'
Performed by 'The Austerity Allstars'
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD
6Io
Enjoy...anyopinion

So mr The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old ManWealthy says that "companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves."

Let me see , you are saying that the tax system is overly complicated and this allows companies to avoid paying the rightful amount of tax...a bit silly an argument don't you think so?

So mr The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old ManWealthy says that "companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves."
Let me see , you are saying that the tax system is overly complicated and this allows companies to avoid paying the rightful amount of tax...a bit silly an argument don't you think so?Suindone

In 2011, 10,600 disabled people died within 6 weeks of their benefit claim ending…The DWP and Atos do not record or release any information about this genocide.
The unemployement cost of the welfare budget amount to just 4% of which only 0.7% is fraudently claimed.
The real injustice is our immoral socio-economic-priva
tised system and how the whealthy, immoral and greedy tax evaders/avoiders/dod
gers are allowed and supported by our politicians to ammass fortunes in tax heavens whilst their own fellow human being are starving and committing suicide in desperation.
The People's Assembly stands to pacefully fight such injustice!
If some of you do not believe or understand this...it is your problem, so go and get your head examined you cowards!!!!!!!

In 2011, 10,600 disabled people died within 6 weeks of their benefit claim ending…The DWP and Atos do not record or release any information about this genocide.
The unemployement cost of the welfare budget amount to just 4% of which only 0.7% is fraudently claimed.
The real injustice is our immoral socio-economic-priva
tised system and how the whealthy, immoral and greedy tax evaders/avoiders/dod
gers are allowed and supported by our politicians to ammass fortunes in tax heavens whilst their own fellow human being are starving and committing suicide in desperation.
The People's Assembly stands to pacefully fight such injustice!
If some of you do not believe or understand this...it is your problem, so go and get your head examined you cowards!!!!!!!anyopinion

I totally agree with angelgrace when she says "Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! >>
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man is a tory/ukip supporter with a sweat shop to run and he would squeeze every penny out of their employees if let loos. Thatcher has gone mate!
Raising wages stimulates demand and controlling/reinvest
ing profits will reduce inflation. Easy.

I totally agree with angelgrace when she says "Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! >>
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man is a tory/ukip supporter with a sweat shop to run and he would squeeze every penny out of their employees if let loos. Thatcher has gone mate!
Raising wages stimulates demand and controlling/reinvest
ing profits will reduce inflation. Easy.Suindone

To all narrowminded people:
Would you please answer the following questions as clearly as possible.
Do you feel the benefit system in the UK is fit for purpose? How could it be improved and what problems does it have?
Do you think ATOS should continue to administer the work capability assessments? Does the number of decisions overturned on appeal worry you? Do you believe ATOS should be fined for their performance delivering public services?
Do you support the implementation of an Unconditional Basic Income granted to all citizens? Could you explain your position and what kind of evidence would prompt you to change your mind?
Do you know how many suicides took place in 2013 linked to the administration of benefits in the UK? How many suicides could take place in a year before you would call for an urgent review of the administration of benefits in the UK?
What do you feel the function of benefits are in a society? Which is the greater problem in society, benefit fraud or tax evasion? Have you even claimed benefits? Does anybody in your family?
Do you believe there is a relationship between income inequality and social problems such as violent crime, obesity, mortality, health, literacy, drug addiction and family breakdown? Are you committed to reducing income inequality and how?
Have you or anyone in your family ever lived in a council property? Do you support the bedroom tax?
Could you live of £53 a week? Have you read the Devils Tune?

To all narrowminded people:
Would you please answer the following questions as clearly as possible.
Do you feel the benefit system in the UK is fit for purpose? How could it be improved and what problems does it have?
Do you think ATOS should continue to administer the work capability assessments? Does the number of decisions overturned on appeal worry you? Do you believe ATOS should be fined for their performance delivering public services?
Do you support the implementation of an Unconditional Basic Income granted to all citizens? Could you explain your position and what kind of evidence would prompt you to change your mind?
Do you know how many suicides took place in 2013 linked to the administration of benefits in the UK? How many suicides could take place in a year before you would call for an urgent review of the administration of benefits in the UK?
What do you feel the function of benefits are in a society? Which is the greater problem in society, benefit fraud or tax evasion? Have you even claimed benefits? Does anybody in your family?
Do you believe there is a relationship between income inequality and social problems such as violent crime, obesity, mortality, health, literacy, drug addiction and family breakdown? Are you committed to reducing income inequality and how?
Have you or anyone in your family ever lived in a council property? Do you support the bedroom tax?
Could you live of £53 a week? Have you read the Devils Tune?anyopinion

Austerity is bound to “disproportionatel
y hit the poorest and most vulnerable people in our society”.

Benefits are only paid to the poorest and most vulnerable, so any cut in benefits will obviously hit this group.

Austerity is bound to “disproportionatel
y hit the poorest and most vulnerable people in our society”.
Benefits are only paid to the poorest and most vulnerable, so any cut in benefits will obviously hit this group.MrAngry

anyopinion wrote:
To all narrowminded people:
Would you please answer the following questions as clearly as possible.
Do you feel the benefit system in the UK is fit for purpose? How could it be improved and what problems does it have?
Do you think ATOS should continue to administer the work capability assessments? Does the number of decisions overturned on appeal worry you? Do you believe ATOS should be fined for their performance delivering public services?
Do you support the implementation of an Unconditional Basic Income granted to all citizens? Could you explain your position and what kind of evidence would prompt you to change your mind?
Do you know how many suicides took place in 2013 linked to the administration of benefits in the UK? How many suicides could take place in a year before you would call for an urgent review of the administration of benefits in the UK?
What do you feel the function of benefits are in a society? Which is the greater problem in society, benefit fraud or tax evasion? Have you even claimed benefits? Does anybody in your family?
Do you believe there is a relationship between income inequality and social problems such as violent crime, obesity, mortality, health, literacy, drug addiction and family breakdown? Are you committed to reducing income inequality and how?
Have you or anyone in your family ever lived in a council property? Do you support the bedroom tax?
Could you live of £53 a week? Have you read the Devils Tune?

People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.

[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote:
To all narrowminded people:
Would you please answer the following questions as clearly as possible.
Do you feel the benefit system in the UK is fit for purpose? How could it be improved and what problems does it have?
Do you think ATOS should continue to administer the work capability assessments? Does the number of decisions overturned on appeal worry you? Do you believe ATOS should be fined for their performance delivering public services?
Do you support the implementation of an Unconditional Basic Income granted to all citizens? Could you explain your position and what kind of evidence would prompt you to change your mind?
Do you know how many suicides took place in 2013 linked to the administration of benefits in the UK? How many suicides could take place in a year before you would call for an urgent review of the administration of benefits in the UK?
What do you feel the function of benefits are in a society? Which is the greater problem in society, benefit fraud or tax evasion? Have you even claimed benefits? Does anybody in your family?
Do you believe there is a relationship between income inequality and social problems such as violent crime, obesity, mortality, health, literacy, drug addiction and family breakdown? Are you committed to reducing income inequality and how?
Have you or anyone in your family ever lived in a council property? Do you support the bedroom tax?
Could you live of £53 a week? Have you read the Devils Tune?[/p][/quote]People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.Always Grumpy

Always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'

To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.

Always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'
To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.anyopinion

Troll always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'

To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.

Troll always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'
To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.anyopinion

Suindone wrote:
So mr The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old ManWealthy says that &quot;companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves."

Let me see , you are saying that the tax system is overly complicated and this allows companies to avoid paying the rightful amount of tax...a bit silly an argument don't you think so?

I didn't say they are avoiding paying the "rightful amount of tax". I'm simply saying they are paying the legal amount of tax. If you, and the government want business to pay more taxes, then the tax system (across all of europe at a minimum), must be changed to accommodate this. And then be prepared for the consequences of those actions.

[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote:
So mr The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old ManWealthy says that "companies" are paying what taxes they are legally required to do. Your ire should be directed at the overly complicated tax system that allows them to do this, not the companies themselves."
Let me see , you are saying that the tax system is overly complicated and this allows companies to avoid paying the rightful amount of tax...a bit silly an argument don't you think so?[/p][/quote]I didn't say they are avoiding paying the "rightful amount of tax". I'm simply saying they are paying the legal amount of tax. If you, and the government want business to pay more taxes, then the tax system (across all of europe at a minimum), must be changed to accommodate this. And then be prepared for the consequences of those actions.The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

Suindone wrote:
I totally agree with angelgrace when she says &quot;Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! &gt;&gt;
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man is a tory/ukip supporter with a sweat shop to run and he would squeeze every penny out of their employees if let loos. Thatcher has gone mate!
Raising wages stimulates demand and controlling/reinvest

ing profits will reduce inflation. Easy.

Try again. (on all counts you are wrong), and the last sentence shows a naive at best, dangerous at worst lack of understanding of basic economics. It just doesn't work like that in a free market economy.

[quote][p][bold]Suindone[/bold] wrote:
I totally agree with angelgrace when she says "Better wages will help as they are a complete joke at the moment! Cost of living has gone up for most normal people! >>
The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man is a tory/ukip supporter with a sweat shop to run and he would squeeze every penny out of their employees if let loos. Thatcher has gone mate!
Raising wages stimulates demand and controlling/reinvest
ing profits will reduce inflation. Easy.[/p][/quote]Try again. (on all counts you are wrong), and the last sentence shows a naive at best, dangerous at worst lack of understanding of basic economics. It just doesn't work like that in a free market economy.The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

anyopinion wrote:
Troll always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'

To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.

I'll leave you to wallow in ignorance.
Quite clearly you aren't very bright and fail to understand any of the current measures being taken to improve this countrie's finances. I suspect you really are a selfish nobody happy for others to suffer, but not you or your little bunch of cronies.
By the way, someone who disagrees with someone elses views is not a troll. You also replied 'for the last time', twice. Very clever of you - Not!

[quote][p][bold]anyopinion[/bold] wrote:
Troll always grumpy said 'People who disagree with your bigotted left wing policies are not being narrow minded. Far from it in fact, as we can see the bigger picture and not the selfish and self centred attitude of you and the groups you belong to.
Try and wake up to realities and join the real world.'
To reply to you for the last time I will say this: always grumpy, the name you chose make sense...but i didn't realise that you were also intellectually challenged...sorry for engaging in these comments with you. Good bye and good luck, you so obviously need it.[/p][/quote]I'll leave you to wallow in ignorance.
Quite clearly you aren't very bright and fail to understand any of the current measures being taken to improve this countrie's finances. I suspect you really are a selfish nobody happy for others to suffer, but not you or your little bunch of cronies.
By the way, someone who disagrees with someone elses views is not a troll. You also replied 'for the last time', twice. Very clever of you - Not!Always Grumpy

Swindon People’s Assembly (SPA) - read their website, they make it quite clear they're merely the kind of Anti-Tory Marixists who in another era would have been taking part in Poll Tax riots.

If you want more money, get off benefits and get a proper job.

Swindon People’s Assembly (SPA) - read their website, they make it quite clear they're merely the kind of Anti-Tory Marixists who in another era would have been taking part in Poll Tax riots.
If you want more money, get off benefits and get a proper job.ChannelX

Do you realise that your CHARITY PAY OUT for that is what benefits are, come out of my pocket, therefore I have a big say in this.

Kate says “People are disgusted by what’s happening". NO they are not, it is only the people on Charity pay outs who say this.

Have any of you watched TV lately, try Benefit Street.!!!!!!

I totally agree with channelX.
Get off your backsides and work to keep yourself.
I have done that all my life so why do you people find it difficult.
Do you realise that your CHARITY PAY OUT for that is what benefits are, come out of my pocket, therefore I have a big say in this.
Kate says “People are disgusted by what’s happening". NO they are not, it is only the people on Charity pay outs who say this.
Have any of you watched TV lately, try Benefit Street.!!!!!!trolley dolley

Chanel No5 is another person or is he the same as troll doll? They like to talk to hear the sound of their voices.

But Grumpy The artist deserves a reply. There are no economists supporting the fairy tale of the free market economy outside the Austrian School. None of them is taken seriously at any level by any state (Us or EU included the UK).

The most famous of course is Van Mises who "recognized that his free-market theories and Jewish background would place the lives of him and his family in danger, so he left everything behind and fled to Switzerland" .

In his “Human Action" he finally accept that free market is a illusion for the benefit of the elite, state or private corporations....

Chanel No5 is another person or is he the same as troll doll? They like to talk to hear the sound of their voices.
But Grumpy The artist deserves a reply. There are no economists supporting the fairy tale of the free market economy outside the Austrian School. None of them is taken seriously at any level by any state (Us or EU included the UK).
The most famous of course is Van Mises who "recognized that his free-market theories and Jewish background would place the lives of him and his family in danger, so he left everything behind and fled to Switzerland" .
In his “Human Action" he finally accept that free market is a illusion for the benefit of the elite, state or private corporations....Suindone