You could just tell it was going to be shiat with how hard they were playing it up in the media. It's like they don't get that with even all the advertising money and Rolling Stone covers in the world that if your product is shiat people aren't going to pay for it.

I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

IdBeCrazyIf:I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I'll probably end up renting it...or, even more likely, checking it out from my library when they inevitably get it.

This is a movie that features Johnny Depp wearing a bird on his head the whole time.

Do you realize that for a few months or so, Johnny Depp showed up to work every day and someone put a bird on his head and they filmed it and someone said, "Hey, that was great! Be back tomorrow morning so we can put the bird back on your head"?

IdBeCrazyIf:I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

thanks, up til now I was quite perplexed as to why they cast a high-profile A-list actor as Tonto and a relative unknown for the titular role

PizzaJedi81:IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I'll probably end up renting it...or, even more likely, checking it out from my library when they inevitably get it.

I do the AMC rewards program, so I'll probably end up using my stubs 10 dollar reward since I know between the summer movie seasons this year I'll be in the theater for at least 100 bones of tickets

IdBeCrazyIf:I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

Wait, help me out. BTiLC was from the side-kick view? Who was the side-kick?

/ I have seen it more than a dozen times// no idea what you are talking about/// I'm not really dumb, just apparently cinema dumb

JerseyTim:This is a movie that features Johnny Depp wearing a bird on his head the whole time.

Do you realize that for a few months or so, Johnny Depp showed up to work every day and someone put a bird on his head and they filmed it and someone said, "Hey, that was great! Be back tomorrow morning so we can put the bird back on your head"?

America, where people no longer watch movies for entertainment but to have their "professional" critique posted on a website.

"Grandpa?""Yes, dear?""What was the highlight of your life?""Well dear, I used to critique movies and have my comments posted online. You see, that is what people used to do way back when to feel superior than others."

Trade Secret:Wait, help me out. BTiLC was from the side-kick view? Who was the side-kick?

/ I have seen it more than a dozen times// no idea what you are talking about/// I'm not really dumb, just apparently cinema dumb

Yep, Carpenter envisioned the film as an action movie told from the sidekicks perspective. The studio forced him back to reshoot that first scene with Egg Shen and the lawyer along with some other changes because they didn't get it.

I'm in my 40s and I have no interest in the Lone Ranger, that was way before my time. I remember the 80s version starring Klinton Spilsbury (look it up!) but that tanked because no one could remember him then either.

Who the fark is the Lone Ranger? Does he have a nemesis? What's his point? Why do I care?

IdBeCrazyIf:Trade Secret: Wait, help me out. BTiLC was from the side-kick view? Who was the side-kick?

/ I have seen it more than a dozen times// no idea what you are talking about/// I'm not really dumb, just apparently cinema dumb

Yep, Carpenter envisioned the film as an action movie told from the sidekicks perspective. The studio forced him back to reshoot that first scene with Egg Shen and the lawyer along with some other changes because they didn't get it.

/Don't play trivial pursuit with me when movies are on the line

This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

I'm in my 40s and I have no interest in the Lone Ranger, that was way before my time. I remember the 80s version starring Klinton Spilsbury (look it up!) but that tanked because no one could remember him then either.

Who the fark is the Lone Ranger? Does he have a nemesis? What's his point? Why do I care?

Hebalo:This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.

When my girlfriend and I first saw the trailer, we were both shocked by how Johnny Depp as Tonto sounded EXACTLY like Rob Schneider's awful "Indian" character from Adam Sandler's Bedtime Stories, and really, I knew then that absolutely nothing good could come from that comparison.

JerseyTim:This is a movie that features Johnny Depp wearing a bird on his head the whole time.

Do you realize that for a few months or so, Johnny Depp showed up to work every day and someone put a bird on his head and they filmed it and someone said, "Hey, that was great! Be back tomorrow morning so we can put the bird back on your head"?

IdBeCrazyIf:Hebalo: This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.

Is there a "director's cut" anywhere? (If so, is it any good?)

// also, am I the only one who kind of liked Seth Rogen's Green Hornet?// the movie, if not the character

Dr Dreidel:IdBeCrazyIf: Hebalo: This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.

Is there a "director's cut" anywhere? (If so, is it any good?)

// also, am I the only one who kind of liked Seth Rogen's Green Hornet?// the movie, if not the character

Not sure about a director's cut, but the DVD commentary is hysterical. Carpenter and Russell start on a case of beer and get hammered over the course of the commentary. At one point, Russell starts talking about his kid and going to hockey practice with him.

JerseyTim:This is a movie that features Johnny Depp wearing a bird on his head the whole time.

Do you realize that for a few months or so, Johnny Depp showed up to work every day and someone put a bird on his head and they filmed it and someone said, "Hey, that was great! Be back tomorrow morning so we can put the bird back on your head"?

IdBeCrazyIf:Hebalo: This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.

You realize that you're talking about a movie that doesn't exist, right? Regardless of the original intent or what was left on the cutting-room floor, BTILC was *not* told from the side-kick's view.

Dr Dreidel:Is there a "director's cut" anywhere? (If so, is it any good?)

// also, am I the only one who kind of liked Seth Rogen's Green Hornet?// the movie, if not the character

The blu-ray has some scenes reedited back in along with commentary track but sadly no

And no, you are not the only one who liked Green Hornet, it was a fun silly movie

WhippingBoy:You realize that you're talking about a movie that doesn't exist, right? Regardless of the original intent or what was left on the cutting-room floor, BTILC was *not* told from the side-kick's view.

I think we're arguing about how to say tomato at this point so we'll just agree to disagree

Charlie Chingas:America, where people no longer watch movies for entertainment but to have their "professional" critique posted on a website.

"Grandpa?""Yes, dear?""What was the highlight of your life?""Well dear, I used to critique movies and have my comments posted online. You see, that is what people used to do way back when to feel superior than others."

Or you can go meta and try to feel superior by going online to critique the online critics.

/I'm not judging you, btw. If I post an online critique of your online critique of the online critics, we'll be so far down the rabbithole we'll be sharing space with the dormouse in the Mad Hatter's teapot.

A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

steverockson:A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

EdgeRunner:Charlie Chingas: America, where people no longer watch movies for entertainment but to have their "professional" critique posted on a website.

"Grandpa?""Yes, dear?""What was the highlight of your life?""Well dear, I used to critique movies and have my comments posted online. You see, that is what people used to do way back when to feel superior than others."

Or you can go meta and try to feel superior by going online to critique the online critics.

/I'm not judging you, btw. If I post an online critique of your online critique of the online critics, we'll be so far down the rabbithole we'll be sharing space with the dormouse in the Mad Hatter's teapot.

serpent_sky:steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

I'm part Cherokee also, I have a card and everything, but by all modern definitions I'm white.

IdBeCrazyIf:I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

So...because a movie is told in a similar fashion as another movie you like, you're saying that makes it likely to be of similar quality? Despite it being made by completely different people in a completely different era in a completely different genre?

A Terrible Human:You could just tell it was going to be shiat with how hard they were playing it up in the media. It's like they don't get that with even all the advertising money and Rolling Stone covers in the world that if your product is shiat people aren't going to pay for it.

IdBeCrazyIf:I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story. I'll have to watch it again.

browntimmy:So...because a movie is told in a similar fashion as another movie you like, you're saying that makes it likely to be of similar quality? Despite it being made by completely different people in a completely different era in a completely different genre?

Imagine that, a premise for telling a story that I rather enjoy the shake up being introduced into another product, why there is no way that could ever convince me to at least give this new one a shot.

IdBeCrazyIf:Hebalo: This seems over simplified. If anything, Big Trouble is the story of a man who THINKS he's hero, while his 'sidekick' does most of the asskicking.

Having said that, it's certainly not told from the sidekick's POV.

Watch the DVD commentary and listen to the directors own words on the matter, it only appears like you think it does because the studio forced his hand to play up Burton's character. There was a lot of film left on the floor that played it very differently.

I'm going to have to agree with Hebalo, you claimed it was like Big Trouble, not like what Carpenter intended Big Trouble to be. I didn't think I had missed that angle of the movie since I've seen it about a half dozen times.

steverockson:A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

manimal2878: Wasn't World War Z suffering a pretty low score before it actually came out and more people saw it? It's hovering at a near %70 rating rate now.

I don't think so. There was just a lot of bad buzz after the trailer came out that showed it wasn't going to be anything like the book and had weird CGI zombies, and because they had production problems and needed to refilm things (usually a bad sign). From what I've seen, typically scores are higher pre-release.

browntimmy:I don't think so. There was just a lot of bad buzz after the trailer came out that showed it wasn't going to be anything like the book and had weird CGI zombies, and because they had production problems and needed to refilm things (usually a bad sign). From what I've seen, typically scores are higher pre-release.

It was an ok movie, I wish they had gone with the original ending though. But apparently it didn't test screen well.

manimal2878:I'm going to have to agree with Hebalo, you claimed it was like Big Trouble, not like what Carpenter intended Big Trouble to be. I didn't think I had missed that angle of the movie since I've seen it about a half dozen times.

manimal2878:IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story. I'll have to watch it again.

Nah, he didn't. But the side kick was the real hero/straight man, while Kurt Russell - the guy who's supposed to be the big hero - turns out to be as lucky as he is inept.

manimal2878:IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story. I'll have to watch it again.

There are scenes where Jack screws up somehow and it's actually Wang that does the real ass kicking in most of the movie. In one scene, Wang and Jack are confronted by a group of thugs and Jack goes to shoot them, but his gun jams and he runs off camera to clear the jam while Wang lays the beatdown. When Wang drops the last guy, Jack comes jumping back in with his now ready gun in hand.

Of course, who could forget the start of the "final fight" when Jack yells charge and shoots the ceiling, which collapses and knocks him out for a few minutes.

that being said, there are plenty of other things that Jack does that are heroic, obviously he's the one that ends the big bad guy.

Side kick or not, BTILC is still one of my favorite movies. Definitely my favorite Kurt Russell movie, and that includes The Thing.

serpent_sky:steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

manimal2878:What was the original ending? I heard they changed it, but not from what.

After the plane crash Gerry ends up in Russia and is drafted into the Russian Army to fight the hordes. A few shots and then cut to a grizzled Gerry in the middle of a Russian winter where you get to see the lobo axes in action and Gerry realizing that cold is how you fight the hordes. He stumbles on his cell phone stolen from him from when he was drafted and he calls his wife who is alive but is basically in a camp where you have to trade to survive and her with nothing has traded her body for survival to that one soldier at the beginning. That soldier tells Gerry to just live a new life and he has none of it, he ignores his Russian commanders and takes the woman that survived with him from the crash and several other defectors across Siberia and the movie ends with him landing somewhere in Oregon storming the beaches Normandy style..after a final fight we see Gerry with group walking into the forest him stoically on a trek to find his wife.

Depressing ending, but I think more fitting than yay everyone reunited and happy.

A Terrible Human:You could just tell it was going to be shiat with how hard they were playing it up in the media. It's like they don't get that with even all the advertising money and Rolling Stone covers in the world that if your product is shiat people aren't going to pay for it.

They lost me in the very first commercial I saw. A horse jumped on to a moving train's roof, then ran through the train with a rider (the train interior was somehow about 12 feet tall). Explosions, bad CGI, Depp doing a slightly cranky Jack Sparrow voice. It looked horrible.

Zombie Eater:manimal2878: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

I don't remember a side kick in Big Trouble telling the story. I'll have to watch it again.

Nah, he didn't. But the side kick was the real hero/straight man, while Kurt Russell - the guy who's supposed to be the big hero - turns out to be as lucky as he is inept.

It's a twist you rarely see, and when you do it's usually a Don Quixote knockoff.

serpent_sky:steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

He has claimed that his great-grandmother was either Cherokee or Creek, but there's no evidence of this whatsoever. Oddly enough, Armie Hammer actually does have some verified native ancestry. Ancestry.com did a story on it a week ago, although they tactfully/cravenly did not mention Depp's claims, instead focusing on an interesting but irrelevant ancestor of his who was the first free black woman in America or some such thing. It sorta makes me wonder how much the studio payed them.

GRCooper:serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

LV426:GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

steverockson:LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

/unless he's from the hood and is actually saying "hi" to his horse " Hi, Yo, Silver!"

/Tell they at least play the WT Overture in the new movie.....please?

I read that they did play an extended version of the WT Overture at the end of the movie and when TLR says "Hi Yo Silver, Awaaay", Tonto derisively says "Never say that again".

hi HO Silver.

That's where you're wrong.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0032590/.

Exactly. I barely even know who the Lone Ranger is, but I never ever thought he said "Hi HO Silver." That's stupid. It was always Hi-Yo and if you got that wrong, then you are stupid and I weep for your soul.

Trade Secret:IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

Wait, help me out. BTiLC was from the side-kick view? Who was the side-kick?

/ I have seen it more than a dozen times// no idea what you are talking about/// I'm not really dumb, just apparently cinema dumb

Jack Burton. Wang is actually the hero; it's his fiance that was kidnapped and he does most of the ass-kicking.

It's a naked attempt to repeat the success of the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Take old nostalgic property.Add lots of action scenes and special effect to obscure the lack of a coherent storyHave Johnny Depp play a quirky and visually memorable character that you can pimp out in all the advertising

Strolpol:It's a naked attempt to repeat the success of the Pirates of the Caribbean.

Take old nostalgic property.Add lots of action scenes and special effect to obscure the lack of a coherent storyHave Johnny Depp play a quirky and visually memorable character that you can pimp out in all the advertising

I haven't seen it yet, but reviewers are saying that Depp just channelled Jack Sparrow as a Native American, that could be distracting.

steverockson:LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm in my 40s and I have no interest in the Lone Ranger, that was way before my time. I remember the 80s version starring Klinton Spilsbury (look it up!) but that tanked because no one could remember him then either.

Who the fark is the Lone Ranger? Does he have a nemesis? What's his point? Why do I care?

I know I'm falling for a troll trap, but here goes:

Really, today nothing is before anyone's time. We live in a great age where everything exists and is available side by side. It only takes some curiosity to look for something that happened to be made more than a year ago.

The 80's Lone Ranger didn't tank because nobody could remember him. Far from it. What happened was that the actor from the TV series had been going around going to conventions dressed up as the LONE RANGER. This had been going on for years and years (the show ended in 1954). He wouldn't have done them if people didn't know who he (or the character) was.

Jump forward to the 70s. The people who owned the rights to the Lone Ranger character decide to make a new movie. They tell the actor to quit wearing the mask & costume, because there can be only one Lone Ranger now. The "people" you refer felt this was an insult to the actor. The actions of the producers created such a negative vibe that people just stayed away from the film. Didn't help that the film was really bad anyway, and "Klinton Spilsbury" ended up being dubbed by Stacy Keach (and has never acted again).

As far as the rest of your questions - you might like the original stories, you might not. If you like Westerns or pulp heroes or not, I have no idea. As far as this new film goes, it's so far removed from anything that happened before, all the names could have been changed and nobody would have thought it was the same.

cannotsuggestaname:steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do know that my mom's grandmother was full-blood cherokee but she didn't have a card so it didn't count.

I can hardly remember the last good movie Depp was in. The Tim Burton and Pirate movies have been absolutely unwatchable. I would say he needs to resuscitate the Shantaram adaptation, but I'm afraid it would turn an otherwise good book into a star vehicle clunker (see Seven Years in Tibet).

malaktaus:serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

He has claimed that his great-grandmother was either Cherokee or Creek, but there's no evidence of this whatsoever. Oddly enough, Armie Hammer actually does have some verified native ancestry. Ancestry.com did a story on it a week ago, although they tactfully/cravenly did not mention Depp's claims, instead focusing on an interesting but irrelevant ancestor of his who was the first free black woman in America or some such thing. It sorta makes me wonder how much the studio payed them.

steverockson:cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...

log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?

steverockson:LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

Lodger:The 80's Lone Ranger didn't tank because nobody could remember him. Far from it. What happened was that the actor from the TV series had been going around going to conventions dressed up as the LONE RANGER. This had been going on for years and years (the show ended in 1954). He wouldn't have done them if people didn't know who he (or the character) was.

anfrind:steverockson: cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...

log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?

Free healthcare, free legal council, if you're poor you can get housing for almost nothing, food, get your utility bills paid. The Cherokees have a private school that your kids can go to and live (9-12). If you are a tribal member and you agree to work for them for 2 years you can get college paid for with a stipend in certain fields of study. I'm probably leaving some stuff out.

steverockson:anfrind: steverockson: cannotsuggestaname: steverockson: According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

how far back is 1/256th? That's a lot of generations. My great-great grandmother (maternal) was full blood Cherokee, but I never bothered to apply for a card.

I'm not sure, I do kno ...

log2256 = 8

Just out of curiosity, what are the privileges that go along with being a tribe member?

Free healthcare, free legal council, if you're poor you can get housing for almost nothing, food, get your utility bills paid. The Cherokees have a private school that your kids can go to and live (9-12). If you are a tribal member and you agree to work for them for 2 years you can get college paid for with a stipend in certain fields of study. I'm probably leaving some stuff out.

I have excellent health benefits being a VA employee but there is a brand spanking new Cherokee health clinic about 3 miles from my home where we take our kids because the pediatrician there is great.

Confabulat:Lodger: The 80's Lone Ranger didn't tank because nobody could remember him. Far from it. What happened was that the actor from the TV series had been going around going to conventions dressed up as the LONE RANGER. This had been going on for years and years (the show ended in 1954). He wouldn't have done them if people didn't know who he (or the character) was.

omg I remember that. Ha, internet outrage before the internet.

If you want to use that term, I guess. The Lone Ranger had built a following for decades, it's not like some Twilight flash-in-the-pan flavor of the moment.

GRCooper:steverockson: LV426: GRCooper: serpent_sky: steverockson: A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

Isn't Johnny Depp actually part Cherokee Indian? And even a little more than the "my great-great uncle seven times removed may have been Native American" but actually it's pretty strong in his bloodline?

Yes and no. The interview snippet I saw he said "I'm part Cherokee, or Chocktaw, or Creek or something"

That's like saying "I'm part Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish or something".

/part Cherokee, still a honkey

It's starting to sound like all the people (my mother included) who believed some bull story that their great grandmother was a Native American princess. No and No. If I recall the rules correctly you have to have proof that you are more than 50 percent blood line to be considered a Native American. And there is no such thing as a Native American princess so stop.

So attention Johnny Depp YOU ARE NOT A NATIVE AMERICAN just because a tribe decided to steal some publicity by making you a member of the tribe still doesn't make you Native American. So yes STILL A HONKEY!!!!

According to the actual tribes you only have to prove that one of your ancestors was a Native American. I know this because I am a member of the Cherokee tribe. I have a CDIB card that says I'm 1/256th Cherokee (even though I'm more than that, it's all I can prove). But still I have all the priviledges that go along with being a tribe member.

Interesting. I'm 128th Cherokee.

What are these priveledges?

Overactive tear ducts, alcoholism, and the ability to wear fringe without looking gay.

steverockson:A reviewer I read said that Depp just played the part of Captain Jack Sparrow as a Native American. If that's true then this will be a hard pass from me and an epic fail. If you're a white dude playing a Native American you better be respectful. Otherwise it comes across as playing an African American in blackface. I was afraid this would happen when I read that Depp would be playing Tonto.

I heard a lot about it and read exposes and I'd like to watch it once to show my editors.

Yeah, seeing a horse gallop through a train while her rider is shooting through the windows at another train reminded me of a submarine surfacing in the canals of Venice... or maybe a villain's evil iceberg lair, composed mostly of ice, exploding and then sinking. Beneath the waves. Waves made of water. Which is heavier than ice.

So yeah, it's going to suck as much as League of Extraordinary Gentleman and G.I. Joedid.

It's not necessarily the impossibly powerful yet amazingly recoilless laser guns (like in Eraser) or the completely illogical science that kills action movies (like the time travel in every movie ever except Primer). It's when they try to mess with the most basic laws of the universe that even non-physicists can understand: large things like horses don't fit into small things like train compartment aisles, and jumping into deep water is not the same at eighty feet as it is at ten.

thornhill:Despite the half-dozen trailers, I have no clue what the movie is about besides it having as many explosions as Transformers. But I suppose that's good enough for most people.

Pretty much this. I went to see Monsters U, expecting to finally get a good look at the Lone Ranger. I still have no idea what it's about. I really wanted this to be good. Probably won't waste my time now.

I'm finding I enjoy independent films on Netflix more than any big budget, SPLOSIONS!!!! type movie.

devilEther:IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

thanks, up til now I was quite perplexed as to why they cast a high-profile A-list actor as Tonto and a relative unknown for the titular role

InmanRoshi:I can hardly remember the last good movie Depp was in. The Tim Burton and Pirate movies have been absolutely unwatchable. I would say he needs to resuscitate the Shantaram adaptation, but I'm afraid it would turn an otherwise good book into a star vehicle clunker (see Seven Years in Tibet).

I liked the first pirate movie, and the second was entertaining, but the third was dumb and I didn't bother with the 4th.

I have avoided all of the burton movies after sleepy hollow, which I really liked.

The Banana Thug:devilEther: IdBeCrazyIf: I've read and seen that it plays out as the tale told from the perspective of the side kick Tonto, kind of like Big Trouble in Little China. And honestly if that's the case, that's enough for me to plunk cash to see.

thanks, up til now I was quite perplexed as to why they cast a high-profile A-list actor as Tonto and a relative unknown for the titular role

Relative unknown? Check his filmography and get back to us.

I instead spent an hour interviewing passersby on the street. Here's a summary of my results:

Q: "Are you a Johnny Depp fan?"A: "Yes, I love him?" -OR- "No, I don't care for his work."Q: "Are you an Armie Hammer fan?"A: "Who?"

So as you can see, relative to Johnny Depp's worldwide fame and status as a household name, Armie Hammer is an unknown.