sprossley

An 80% success-rate is an outrageous claim, especially since AA itself has been around since 1936 and estimates of AA's success-rate range from 5-20% at best. Other methods have similar rates (yes, AA alternatives like Lifering**** exist). Sounds more like wishful thinking. Just as with AA, I highly doubt any scientific, verifiable studies demonstrate a success-rate anywhere near 80%.

jd1967

Don't get me wrong hartman even Bill W only had 24 hours at one time during his recovery; however he also didn't make make unsubstantiated and unlikely claims or give unrealistic expectations to those looking for help. I can only offer this; the twelve step program of Narcotics Anonymous makes no claims about rates of success for those who walk through the doors wanting help. If it worked for everyone who needed recovery that would be fantastic. We could get rid of all treatment centers and empty the majority of our prisons and institutions, but unfortunately it doesn’t. The program doesn't work for everyone who needs it, it does however work 100% of the time for those who want it, and who can be honest, open-minded, and willing to do the work to get it. Page 79 of the Basic Text says: “We have never seen a person who lives the Narcotics Anonymous Program relapse.” So there is hope for all those who want recovery, but let’s be honest it works if you work it, and it ***** if you don't

hartman75

Thanks for expanding on your first comment jd. You're right, not everyone finds what they need in rehab and sometimes even those that WANT to end their addiction have difficulty getting to that point on the first or second or third or...try. It takes patience even when you're at your wits end, understanding even when you don't understand and perseverance even in the face of failure - and that pertains to family and friends as well as the addict. Personally, I view just about anything or anyone that helps an addict cope with their addiction as something positive.