A quick google search landed a quote from Metzen himself in an interview in 2012 about Pandaria:

Sadly that is Metzen, and you are correct. Frankly i've stopped giving him the time of day however; even his voice acting is grating on me. There are more than two races in WoW; it's about time he recognized this, or leaves his station so that someone else who recognizes this fact can take his place.

"It hath been found by experience that no matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a conservative may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘bigotry’, ‘hatred’ or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1." - Cranmer's Law

Sadly that is Metzen, and you are correct. Frankly i've stopped giving him the time of day however; even his voice acting is grating on me. There are more than two races in WoW; it's about time he recognized this, or leaves his station so that someone else who recognizes this fact can take his place.

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Hehee! ^_^

Actually, believe it or not, I agree that I don't want WoW to be about just Orcs vs Humans either. It's so stupidly limiting from an age where the game was a simple RTS. The majority who currently play WoW I don't believe have even played the first game... and many (such as myself) started with WoW as their first entry into the Warcraft World.

It's such a shame if they don't move on past this ridiculous Orcs and Humans focus on things and just move on to being Horde against Alliance vs the big nasties. The Horde isn't just "orcs" anymore. Just as the Alliance isn't about "humans" anymore.

"Tell them only that the Lich King is dead... and that World of Warcraft... died with him..."

Originally Posted by BenBos

That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

Wait so Thrall needs the approval of the rest of the horde before deciding the leader of the Orcs? Like how the Tauren asked everyone else before appointing Baine? Do you know why he's the WARCHIEF? Because he's the strongest of all the Horde clans. And I don't have a problem with "we don't like garrosh so we gonna waste him." I have a problem with a weaker, minority faction of the Horde holding power as a Warchief. The Orcs are the strongest, don't think otherwise.

Btw, my favorite race was the Undead and Human in WC3, and a night elf warrior in WoW so don't think I'm some dumbass Orc fanboy.

Well since the Warchief tells the other races what to do, yeah it would have been nice. Especially since for example Cairne and Vol'Jin were Thralls advisers.

I don't know who appointed Darth Baine but Thrall wasn't his/her advisor. And Baine does not have the right to command Vol'Jin or Sylvanas. Big difference.

...the pillars of the franchise are orcs and humans; it really is the Alliance and Horde by extension, and it really is those two groups beating the brains out of each other for an extended period of time. That’s always gotta be what Warcraft is about...

I can't help but feel that when Blizzard says stuff like this, they're just trying to appeal to the fans who just cannot get over Orcs vs Humans (the ones that say it can't be Warcraft unless the Alliance and Horde are fighting each other, like somehow fighting the Scourge and the Burning Legion is not a war).

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

None of these were about the Alliance and Horde fighting each other. Sure, it happened, but it was not what they were about.

...the pillars of the franchise are orcs and humans; it really is the Alliance and Horde by extension, and it really is those two groups beating the brains out of each other for an extended period of time. That’s always gotta be what Warcraft is about...

I can't help but feel that when Blizzard says stuff like this, they're just trying to appeal to the fans who just cannot get over Orcs vs Humans (the ones that say it can't be Warcraft unless the Alliance and Horde are fighting each other, like somehow fighting the Scourge and the Burning Legion is not a war).

Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

None of these were about the Alliance and Horde fighting each other. Sure, it happened, but it was not what they were about.

Agree, it's annoying.

Frankly I think it's just an excuse because Metzen and co lack the ability to create an interesting story for more than a couple characters at once

Wait so Thrall needs the approval of the rest of the horde before deciding the leader of the Orcs? Like how the Tauren asked everyone else before appointing Baine? Do you know why he's the WARCHIEF? Because he's the strongest of all the Horde clans. And I don't have a problem with "we don't like garrosh so we gonna waste him." I have a problem with a weaker, minority faction of the Horde holding power as a Warchief. The Orcs are the strongest, don't think otherwise.

Btw, my favorite race was the Undead and Human in WC3, and a night elf warrior in WoW so don't think I'm some dumbass Orc fanboy.

The orcs have yet to have anyone actually challenge them recently, because of plot armor.

No, no don't wanna be a hipster but a big star
And I wanna see my name tattooed where your tits are

The orcs have yet to have anyone actually challenge them recently, because of plot armor.

Also because of regular armor. And the warchief rules because he's the strongest. Man, after they introduced Blood Elves, the Horde has been filling up with people who want to have tea and discuss shit in flower fields. I called this back then too.

It's such a shame if they don't move on past this ridiculous Orcs and Humans focus on things and just move on to being Horde against Alliance vs the big nasties. The Horde isn't just "orcs" anymore. Just as the Alliance isn't about "humans" anymore.

Oh they've long moved past it. Him saying that amounts to nothing but nostalgic fan service. It hasn't been about Orcs vs Humans since WC3.

Oh they've long moved past it. Him saying that amounts to nothing but nostalgic fan service. It hasn't been about Orcs vs Humans since WC3.

Tell me more about how important the dwarves and gnomes are to the Alliance storyline. And how important the worgen are, king standing next to varian n shit. Oh and the draenai seem incredibly important in the Horde/Alliance conflict. The only thing that's fanservice is that small bit with the Night Elves in pandaria...a land where their storyline couldve come out.

Also because of regular armor. And the warchief rules because he's the strongest. Man, after they introduced Blood Elves, the Horde has been filling up with people who want to have tea and discuss shit in flower fields. I called this back then too.

The orcs have not done anything they did not lean on their partner races for. This isn't a thread talking about the raw strength of a class, but a lot of the orcs' engineering and infrastructure was created by goblins and ogres. Not sure where the orcs would be without Ogre influence, actually.

I think that each of the Horde races, given the opportunity, could subjugate the other. And that is part of the point of this expansion and raid. The orcs are NOT infallible and the "strongest" (debatable) warchief yet has been able to be taken down by the mobilized efforts of the Horde and even the Alliance.

No, no don't wanna be a hipster but a big star
And I wanna see my name tattooed where your tits are

If Varian were the one to pick the new leader and its someone we wont be suspecting the only "horde" he would probably trust would be Valeera Sanguinar. Or Baine Bloodhoof if he asks his son for advice on who would be good.
Don't really think that its going to happen but would be cool to have a hot female leader of the horde.

The orcs have not done anything they did not lean on their partner races for. This isn't a thread talking about the raw strength of a class, but a lot of the orcs' engineering and infrastructure was created by goblins and ogres. Not sure where the orcs would be without Ogre influence, actually.

I think that each of the Horde races, given the opportunity, could subjugate the other. And that is part of the point of this expansion and raid. The orcs are NOT infallible and the "strongest" (debatable) warchief yet has been able to be taken down by the mobilized efforts of the Horde and even the Alliance.

Okay? So what? You built my blimps, so now I'm going to include you in my executive decisions? The gnomes are asked when Varian decides wtf to do? And no, the Blood Elves will never be able to subdue the orcs and joined with them just because the alliance scumbagged them, the Tauren do not have it in their blood to subdue the orcs because they are not a warmongering race, the Undead cannot subdue the orcs because the Humans will crush their lands if they try and in fact, need the orcs more than the orcs need them, the trolls are a super small faction of Darkspears when compared to the massive troll race and the goblins were always the neutral race helping whoever gave them more money.

As you can see, clearly the orcs are leaned on more than any other race with the possible exception of the Tauren. You must've never played WC3. And this expansion only proved that the Horde is not as unified as people thought with the exit of Thrall and that's that. Thrall respectfully and semiforcefully earned his position of Warchief, while Garrosh didn't. It didn't prove they could subdue the orcs. In fact, this is a small faction of orcs AND they needed Alliance help to raid Ogrimarr. Lol.

Sadly that is Metzen, and you are correct. Frankly i've stopped giving him the time of day however; even his voice acting is grating on me. There are more than two races in WoW; it's about time he recognized this, or leaves his station so that someone else who recognizes this fact can take his place.

got to love how you tried to dismiss him saying what he said to begin with, and yet when its shown to you how it was actually said, your response is 'bah, I don't like him anyway'.

I've never known a more ungrateful group of whiners then people in the wow community, since what you are actually whining against is the person who GAVE YOU THIS GAME TO BEGIN WITH. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Tell me more about how important the dwarves and gnomes are to the Alliance storyline. And how important the worgen are, king standing next to varian n shit. Oh and the draenai seem incredibly important in the Horde/Alliance conflict. The only thing that's fanservice is that small bit with the Night Elves in pandaria...a land where their storyline couldve come out.

The whole fact that Tyrande or Malfurion could have interacted with Pandaren or even met Shaohao during their lifetime before the Sundering, etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, the potential of the NE connection with the Pandaren (there's even the eastern feel to NE architecture) was yet another wasted opportunity.

So the closing cinematic about the raid where the Horde rebellion overthrows their corrupt Warchief after their previous Warchief confronts him will be about the Horde having a new Warchief.

But the Alliance get to raid the enemy capital, so it's totally for the Alliance!

Yeeeeaaaaah, I don't think I've ever felt like this since I started WoW, but.......A Realm Reborn starts next week! WOOHOO!

"There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."

Tell me more about how important the dwarves and gnomes are to the Alliance storyline. And how important the worgen are, king standing next to varian n shit. Oh and the draenai seem incredibly important in the Horde/Alliance conflict. The only thing that's fanservice is that small bit with the Night Elves in pandaria...a land where their storyline couldve come out.

Things are still a bit Human dominated on the Alliance side, but on the Horde side the leader of the revolution is a Troll (with Thrall playing a secondary, if important, role) and Lor'themar ended up taking centerstage for half the MoP patched content for the Horde.

Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.

got to love how you tried to dismiss him saying what he said to begin with, and yet when its shown to you how it was actually said, your response is 'bah, I don't like him anyway'.

I've never known a more ungrateful group of whiners then people in the wow community, since what you are actually whining against is the person who GAVE YOU THIS GAME TO BEGIN WITH. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

So, um....just out of curiosity, we should be lapping up Star Wars: Episodes 1-3 as the greatest films we could have hoped for since Lucas gave us Star Wars in the first place?

"There is good and evil in this world; we must find the black and white in the gray."

Things are still a bit Human dominated on the Alliance side, but on the Horde side the leader of the revolution is a Troll (with Thrall playing a secondary, if important, role) and Lor'themar ended up taking centerstage for half the MoP patched content for the Horde.

Alright...? So having the Orcs serve as a final raid encounter against the combined races of all the remaining Horde AS WELL as the Alliance doesn't put them at the centerlight? Am I on crazy pills here?

If Varian were the one to pick the new leader and its someone we wont be suspecting the only "horde" he would probably trust would be Valeera Sanguinar. Or Baine Bloodhoof if he asks his son for advice on who would be good.
Don't really think that its going to happen but would be cool to have a hot female leader of the horde.

Once again, Varian will have no say on who the Horde's leader will be.

None of the Orcs would accept it. The only thing stopping the different clans from fighting among eachother is having a Warchief that rules over all and can keep them in check. They won't listen to an Orc leader who is not the Warchief. Nor would they listen to a Warchief that is not an Orc.

They could choose a capable leader for the orcs but choosing another leader to lead the horde as a whole. For example saurfang as warchief but Vol'jin as leader of the horde.
Or just make a council.