Hahahaha oh man as being a former top tier raider yeah I've heard people cry hell even cry to me on skype / vent from time to time. You wanna know how my raid life was life in Woltk? Here I'll give you all a just of it

Yeah people will cry if they are treated like this.

As a former GM that went 2 expansions killing 11/12H, 12/14H, 7/8H, etc etc due to incompetent healers... I can completely understand the need to yell at idiots that can't comprehend basic tasks wipe after wipe after wipe. If you don't single them out and show the raid that said idiot is the one wasting everyone's time, they will continue to do so unhindered.

HOWEVER, yelling as that person did in the video for as long as they did is pretty silly. The best way to go about it is to single them out in front of everyone, verbally reiterate what they're doing that is stupid and tell them that it needs to stop. Most times they'll correct whatever issue they had been repeating previously.

Further, this doesn't apply to learning mechanics, first night pulls or first (even second or third) time mistakes. In those situations it's best to keep everything friendly.

EDIT: To everyone preaching that friendly, laid back and kind leaders are what people should look for, that's fine if you want to be consistently mediocre (or casual). If you want to be competitive, your leader needs to be strict and to the point. Friendliness doesn't get you anywhere in moderate to bleeding edge progression.

I can get very annoyed quite fast or even start to rage when it's clear people aren't paying attention. However so far I've managed to restrain myself from calling anyone with names or shouting my lungs out. Usually the criticism is something like "that was fking stupid" and the speeches are almost always targeted to the whole group instead of specific player(s). Sometimes things can get a bit ugly when players argue back to me, but for me these fights end when next pull counter is started and I do hope my fellow raiders feel the same way and hold no grudges.

Why rage then? There isn't really a way to defend this kind of behavious but sometimes I can't help opening my mouth if people are wasting my time, when I and rest of the raid are giving their best performance.

I think we were all too uncomfortable to boot her from channel when she was already so upset so we just pretended like the game had a new sobbingwoman soundtrack.

Holy crap. I can't believe I laughed at this. Feel so bad but damn that's hilarious.

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Originally Posted by glo

As a former GM that went 2 expansions killing 11/12H, 12/14H, 7/8H, etc etc due to incompetent healers... I can completely understand the need to yell at idiots that can't comprehend basic tasks wipe after wipe after wipe. If you don't single them out and show the raid that said idiot is the one wasting everyone's time, they will continue to do so unhindered.

HOWEVER, yelling as that person did in the video for as long as they did is pretty silly. The best way to go about it is to single them out in front of everyone, verbally reiterate what they're doing that is stupid and tell them that it needs to stop. Most times they'll correct whatever issue they had been repeating previously.

Further, this doesn't apply to learning mechanics, first night pulls or first (even second or third) time mistakes. In those situations it's best to keep everything friendly.

EDIT: To everyone preaching that friendly, laid back and kind leaders are what people should look for, that's fine if you want to be consistently mediocre (or casual). If you want to be competitive, your leader needs to be strict and to the point. Friendliness doesn't get you anywhere in moderate to bleeding edge progression.

This is very true. There has to be a time when your RL has to get you to buckle down and focus. If speaking nicely doesn't work, then raising his voice is probably the next thing to try. The good RL's know how to motivate their team though. Sometimes RL can be dumb as hell and still scream at people. Those are the ones I don't respect. If you're gonna scream at someone, you better know your shit through and through. If you're learning it like everyone else, then you gotta give some leeway.

I would guess the RL had a moment of nerd rage, and the fiancee got overly sensitive... When you're just starting out raiding, you're going to get yelled at a couple of times. Well, probably not yelled, but at least talked to in a sarcastic / aggressive manner

I mean what could he have possibly said? "Oh my god you're terrible! How can you not see that? Are you blind?" Pull the boss again, all is forgotten.

Kind of dumb on the RL's part to go off on her if he knew her soon to be husband was the GM though >.>

Seriously, don't join guilds like these. If not drama, they will go on vacations together etc. And you've got your GM and a healer gone for weeks (Let me guess, the GM was one of the Tanks too right?). Painful for 10 mans especially. Avoid!

Leaders who can't do their leading job until they get to the boiling rage-yelling point are crappy leaders. A good percentage of decent players with attention responsibility can figure out what goes wrong. Anyone of them can rage-yell at a role until someone, not necessarily the person responsible, feels so bad they quit/cry/feels so bad they can't focus on their task in later runs. A good leader can figure out the mistake and give a strategy talk earlier. THEN there might be time for shiftouts, not making people cry ffs. That said, I regularly run into people both at work and generally IRL I'd love to yell at for not even knowing what's going on around them, so it's kinda hard to say without being there. I swear there's people who wouldn't even realize the fight had started over again even if Garrosh himself jumped out of a portal and impaled him on his shoulder tusks.

If you raid hardcore, you have to able to be angry with people. You can dick around ingame all day and do all sorts of random shit, but during raid times, you can't play favorites. People that fail consistently need a firm talking to. That may go paired with angry voice. Never had any actual screaming, but there were times you could hear the frustration.

If you raid hardcore, you have to able to be angry with people. You can dick around ingame all day and do all sorts of random shit, but during raid times, you can't play favorites. People that fail consistently need a firm talking to. That may go paired with angry voice. Never had any actual screaming, but there were times you could hear the frustration.

Doesn't work with everyone in every situation. Some people react better if you stay calm, or repeat what you said. There are also different gradations in anger. Also take note the OP isn't in a hardcore raiding guild. They were gearing up for ToT by doing HoF Heroic. Hardcore raiding guilds didn't do that in 5.2/5.3 patch, they were already full BiS long ago.

Hahahaha oh man as being a former top tier raider yeah I've heard people cry hell even cry to me on skype / vent from time to time. You wanna know how my raid life was life in Woltk? Here I'll give you all a just of it

Yeah people will cry if they are treated like this.

If you're in a progression guild and you don't heal the tank for 9 seconds I would expect that sort of reaction. Raid leading is a lot like baby sitting, sometimes you have to scold the children that won't do their chores.

Being an ex raid leader and GM on the best guild in the server in TBC and Wotlk i can relate to this.

If player A messes up 1,2,3,4 or even 5 times i will calmly tell them to focus (seriously no rage at this point)

But if they mess up again i lose my shit and go beserk.

I recall one incident on Teron where i'd say atleast half couldn't control the ghosts correctly (which wasn't difficult, seriously it was easy)
Now we'd been wiping on this for 3 hours and just before the last attempt i said "Right the next twat that fucks up on some simple shitty ghost crap can find themselves a new guild, because frankly if you can't do it you must been purely retarded"

3 People got kicked and one was very upset - what can i say i was an angry teenager in WoW back in the day.

I'm not a fan of insults and raging, but I would silently curse my raid colleagues at some times during icc progression.

It's like, if 10 players are able to get out of the fire, use cooldowns at the right moment, move when you have to move, how come there are people who always fail at it? I mean, one mistake two mistakes that happens, but when I'm actually monitoring some dps that takes 3 seconds to move I feel like raging. No one has ninja reflexes, but constantly failing...The problem here is that those people don't work hard at improving, they just want to do the minimum job to down the bosses and get loot.

If you're not playing a game with the goal of becoming better at it, then I'd say you aren't a raider worth bringing. Especially with all the resources that nowadays you can get in order to become great at your class. OP, in your situation if I was the raid leader I wouldn't yell or rage, but I'd say all the things he said in a calm but urgent tone of voice. Making people realize that they're spot isn't guaranteed tends to bring awesome results.

Short story:

I had an enhancement shaman who couldn't "run" when syndragosa pulled the raid into her. We had to b rez him in every single attempt. No one raged with him, but we didn't invite him for 10man raids ever again that's for sure.

I had an enhancement shaman who couldn't "run" when syndragosa pulled the raid into her. We had to b rez him in every single attempt. No one raged with him, but we didn't invite him for 10man raids ever again that's for sure.

I rrrremember a rrrresto shaman frrrrrom Scotland who also had this issue. She claimed she popped Ghost Wolf ev'rrrry time, but was still somehow too slow. After a couple o' wipes I managed to surrrvive the wipe, HSed to Dalarrran, bought herrrr a boots rrrrun speed enchant (she didn't have it) and lou 'n behold: the prrroblem was solved! As you can see, I still sufferrrr frrrom this memorrry as the way she spoke on ventrrrrilo was quite memorrrable.

Yeah, it happened. For good reason though. If people are too stupid to grasp a mechanic after 2 wipes or they still have no idea how to play their class after clearing previous raiding tiers - they deserve to be putted down.

Yeah, it happened. For good reason though. If people are too stupid to grasp a mechanic after 2 wipes or they still have no idea how to play their class after clearing previous raiding tiers - they deserve to be putted down.

If people can't understand that no one deserves to be put down just because they are bad at a game they don't deserve friends. You can give constructive criticism and/or remove them from the raid without being a jerk and putting them down.