It wasn't Iris that was killed, it was HR using an image inducer to make him look like Iris. During the "fight" where Barry was trying to blast Savitar with the speed cannon, HR was able to take her place somehow. His overwhelming guilt in revealing she was on Earth-2 pushed him to it.

I don't think HR switched places with Iris, but I don't have any good reasons to support that yet. Although we know they have a transmorgifier(?)...ok image inducer....ha.

But, wasn't there a scene earlier in the season, when Wally was vibed to the future and HR was on the roof with some device? So I think more went on while we were focussed on Savitar and will come out right off the bat in the next season opener.

And HR definitely had an idea when he looked at the part of the Savitar armor that was in the case. What might that idea be?

One thing that bothered me was Barry picking up Captain Cold from the past. If you don't watch LEGENDS OF TOMORROW, it's easily glossed over, but Snart was crucial to the Legends succeeding in their mission in the first season. If Barry had let Snart die, it would have been more disastrous than Flashpoint. Although I think they tried to ameliorate that by suggesting Snart's heroic sacrifice was inspired by the Flash.

Also, since Savitar is one of the time remnants Barry creates to fight Savitar in the future, why is no one suggesting taking away Barry's powers to prevent Savitar from being born. It's a little extreme, but so is destroying the timeline yet again.

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But, wasn't there a scene earlier in the season, when Wally was vibed to the future and HR was on the roof with some device?

I believe Joe was in the sniper position on the roof that HR was in when Barry and Cisco vibed to the future.

ITEM: Michael Roberts, you're correct about Snart's role in LoT... but how would Barry know that? In context, it made sense.

ITEM: They know the EXACT DATE AND MOMENT AND LOCATION OF IRIS' DEATH. And they can do NOTHING about changing it?!?!? They had the right idea putting her on Earth-2 (see below), but maybe they could have put her on Earth-1... where she could have been protected by the DEO, Supergirl, Manhunter from Mars, the Guardian, Mon-El, maybe Superman... perhaps a little safer than Harrison Wells' lab.

Or as long as they were screwing around with time travel anyhow, why couldn't Barry just take Iris one day into the future? Skip May 23rd entirely? It couldn't foul up the past because it was occurring in the current time, and finding out about blond Dr. Don't-remember-her-name already changed what the future was going to be.

ITEM: They told "Flash" where Iris was, on Earth-2. Notwithstanding that telling that to Savitar wasn't very bright... the whole reason they moved her without telling Barry was because when they told Barry, Savitar would instantly "remember" it. Geez... I know H.R. is stupid, but HOW stupid does he have to be?!?!?

ITEM: Using the image transmogrifier might be a cheap out... but it WAS the gun on the wall in Act 1 in this series, it seems. Have to fire it by Act 3.

Brian Floyd - Guardian and Mon-El mightn't be very effective, but as opposed to H.R. and Joe's effectiveness? That's not a comment on their characters - that's an observation on their usefulness.

Michael, I just don't remember seeing it on screen, so I can't say that it happened. I mean, it's certain that they know about the Legends somewhat; they were able to summon them during the Invasion.

And in retrospect, one tiny piece of consistency that I LOVED - when Flash went back to get Snart, they used the LoT conceit of the date and location in the corner. I SO love continuity in the right manner.

This season may well be my last. The show has fallen into a repetitive rut that goes far beyond the season-long threat being an evil speedster.The fact that somebody has to have a pep talk every single episode is cheesy, lame and beyond repetitious.

The writing has taken a decline and at least in terms of the science-fiction aspects, it was never that good to begin with.

This episode's glaring example:

if Argus has a building with a "magic" (my declaration, not theirs) power-dampening field that eliminates all super powers regardless of how different the powers are, or whether the powers are scientific or magical in origin, etc, etc, than why didn't they just keep Iris in that building for the entire day that she is "supposed" to be killed by Savitar?Answer: because the show never puts that much depth of thought into their stories.

Great episode, except.... Hated the ending of the show.... Truly didn't make any sense.

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Felt the exact same way.

"Yay, we won!"

"What now?"

"Now I'm going to sacrifice myself to the Speed Force because we've ended the previous two seasons with a cliffhanger, and we need something here!"

"OK! But shouldn't you treat this with more urgency instead giving each of us a long drawn out goodbye while the city is being bombarded with lightning and tremors?"

"Nope, we have four more minutes to fill!"

I could tolerate the "sentient" Speed Force when it was more ambiguous and could be interpreted as a speedster's way of processing another dimension. When it pops up on Earth looking like Barry's mom, it's just silly.

Speaking of silly, I think there was a better way of letting Caitlin keep the Killer Frost powers without handing her a cure, having her refuse to take it, and all her friends respect the wishes of a homicidal persona induced by those powers. Let her take the cure and not eradicate her powers completely guys.

I liked the Jay Garrick surprise, but there's one thing I don't understand, so perhaps someone can help me.

Savitar had to kill Iris so Barry would go down the dark path and create Savitar. But why did Savitar have to kill her at that exact moment for that to happen? Couldn't he have just killed her at any point for that to happen, like a few hours later when he was standing right next to her?