Snow causes accidents and traps drivers on hill

SEVERAL accidents have been reported across the region following today's snow, which police say left some drivers stranded on a hill between York and the East Coast.

Two cars collided on the roundabout linking Monkgate, Huntington Road and Heworth Green, near the Brigadier Gerard pub this evening, leaving the road partially blocked. It has now been cleared, with one person being treated at the scene for minor injuries.

The road over Sutton Bridge, near Elvington, was also partially blocked following a two-car crash, leaving drivers having to find alternative routes. Nobody was seriously injured in the collision, which happened just after 5.15pm, although reports suggest a wall next to a flood plain was damaged. The road was expected to reopen by 7.30pm tonight, according to police.

Meanwhile, the A1079 was closed in both directions at Arras Hill, near Market Weighton, after a four-vehicle accident, causing long delays. Humberside Police said some drivers abandoned their cars while others waited for conditions to improve, with up to 40 vehicles becoming trapped and snow ploughs and gritters also struggling in the snowy conditions.

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Heavy traffic has also been reported on the A64 north of York and on the A1066 tonight. In East Yorkshire, Humberside Police officer Pc Darren Kirkwood reported on twitter that the B1248 was blocked between Wetwang and Bainton Roundabout, and the A166 was blocked at Garrowby Hill because of a broken-down vehicle, with conditions being hazardous in both directions.

Two vehicles also collided head-on at Highfield Lane, Fangfoss, at about 4.10pm today, with a man and a woman being injured and treated at the scene by paramedics.

Paul Meoff wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.

Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?

[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.[/p][/quote]Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?NoNewsIsGoodNews

York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.

York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.Pete the Brickie

Pete the Brickie wrote:
York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.

There's the problem. Their rear wheel drive 5 series wouldn't get out of the yard.

[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote:
York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.[/p][/quote]There's the problem. Their rear wheel drive 5 series wouldn't get out of the yard.Paul Meoff

Paul Meoff wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.

Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?

Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......

[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.[/p][/quote]Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?[/p][/quote]Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......Paul Hepworth

Paul Meoff wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.

Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?

Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......

Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!

Blue touch paper lit.

[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.[/p][/quote]Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?[/p][/quote]Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......[/p][/quote]Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!
Blue touch paper lit.NoNewsIsGoodNews

Hull seemed to have the right idea, I saw gritters there doing the rounds at 1pm.

Yet the usual Garrowby and Arras hills fell at the first whiff of snow, you would think councils would know the routes that get cut off and are prone to drifts etc would get gritted first, not left till theres been an accident etc such as tonight at Garrowby and Arras. Should make for an interesting drive into work tomorrow if the rain hasnt washed it all away.

Hull seemed to have the right idea, I saw gritters there doing the rounds at 1pm.
Yet the usual Garrowby and Arras hills fell at the first whiff of snow, you would think councils would know the routes that get cut off and are prone to drifts etc would get gritted first, not left till theres been an accident etc such as tonight at Garrowby and Arras. Should make for an interesting drive into work tomorrow if the rain hasnt washed it all away.muckybutt

Paul Meoff wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.

Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?

Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......

Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!

Blue touch paper lit.

Sounds as if there's an echo in here.....!

[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.[/p][/quote]Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?[/p][/quote]Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......[/p][/quote]Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!
Blue touch paper lit.[/p][/quote]Sounds as if there's an echo in here.....!pedalling paul

Paul Meoff wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.

Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?

Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......

Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!

Blue touch paper lit.

Sounds as if there's an echo in here.....!

Are you talking about that empty space in your head Paul?

[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote:
Delays? Gridlock? Get a bike. Took no longer than usual.[/p][/quote]Another Paul obsessed with cycling and cycling related articles.
One has to wonder if this is yet again, another alto ego of one Mr Hepworth?[/p][/quote]Moi... alter egos? Anyway for the record, I was out on my bike this afternoon for a while, but glad to get back indoors with a cuppa. Tomorrow morning my velocipede will start first time......[/p][/quote]Tch tch tch....only one bite so far!
Blue touch paper lit.[/p][/quote]Sounds as if there's an echo in here.....![/p][/quote]Are you talking about that empty space in your head Paul?yorkborn66

Pete the Brickie says...
7:32pm Wed 13 Feb 13
York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.

Pete sometimes I read your posts with amusement and you make sense tonight you are a fool who else would have directed things, what is your obvious hate for the Police?If they turned out and got things flowing what is the problem? The races? I bet they just love working that. Why don't you volunteer if you know so much about everything

Pete the Brickie says...
7:32pm Wed 13 Feb 13
York's entire road network collapsed into a series of gridlocked junctions and roundabouts following less than an inch of snow for the want of a dozen police officers controlling them and a couple of council workers staying on after five to monitor the traffic cameras and adapt traffic light phasing to the slippy road conditions. I can only imagine police officers think those bright yellow coats they insist on wearing are just to keep them warm on the short walk from the briefing room to the 5 Series rather than make them visible whilst directing traffic. What's strange is there's no shortage of them throughout the summer to carry out the same task while the races are on and it's warm.
Pete sometimes I read your posts with amusement and you make sense tonight you are a fool who else would have directed things, what is your obvious hate for the Police?If they turned out and got things flowing what is the problem? The races? I bet they just love working that. Why don't you volunteer if you know so much about everythingyorkma

I did see a CYC gritter go down Huntington New Lane at about 2pm just as the snow was starting to settle. The problem is that it came down thick and fast... I had gritted some pathways near me, and whilst it did have some effect it only worked for about an hour or so then after that the snow just started settling on top of it as it was laying faster than it could melt.

When the roads do get like that, the best bet is to add extra time to any movement - the lack of which probably caused the collision on the Huntington Road roundabout as I'm guessing somebody tried to pull out when they didn't have time.

But if the whole city became gridlocked because of this, it once again shows what a thin line we are treading on in this city with regards to road capacity.

I did see a CYC gritter go down Huntington New Lane at about 2pm just as the snow was starting to settle. The problem is that it came down thick and fast... I had gritted some pathways near me, and whilst it did have some effect it only worked for about an hour or so then after that the snow just started settling on top of it as it was laying faster than it could melt.
When the roads do get like that, the best bet is to add extra time to any movement - the lack of which probably caused the collision on the Huntington Road roundabout as I'm guessing somebody tried to pull out when they didn't have time.
But if the whole city became gridlocked because of this, it once again shows what a thin line we are treading on in this city with regards to road capacity.Magicman!

SB Dubs wrote:
Plenty of cyclists pushing their bikes home along gridlocked Fulford Road at 5pm. Even the professionals

That's where the 2.1" nobblies come into their own. 23mm skinnies not recommended in such conditions.

[quote][p][bold]SB Dubs[/bold] wrote:
Plenty of cyclists pushing their bikes home along gridlocked Fulford Road at 5pm. Even the professionals[/p][/quote]That's where the 2.1" nobblies come into their own. 23mm skinnies not recommended in such conditions.Paul Meoff

Pete sometimes I read your posts with amusement and you make sense tonight you are a fool who else would have directed things, what is your obvious hate for the Police?If they turned out and got things flowing what is the problem? The races? I bet they just love working that. Why don't you volunteer if you know so much about everything

Sorry, my point was thousands of us took up to two hours to move less than half a mile on the way home last night, I agree the police are the only organisation able to assist and man junctions to get the traffic moving, they didn't turn out though and they didn't get things moving.

Luckily God mistook some of the words I was mumbling after being on hold on NYP's non emergency number for twenty minutes as an ancient Suix Indian rain chant at about seven o clock and duly obliged converting the snow to slush and allowing me and the others to leave Hull road.

I did at one point last night feel like volunteering, donning my yellow coat and helping my fellow motorists but as a builder I lack a pointy hat and any authority what so ever to tell people not to block roundabouts, wave them through red traffic lights or instruct a council worker to switch the bloody things off or alter their phasing to stop them changing every five seconds to suit the level of frozen precipitation on the highway so it would have been dangerous for me to do so.

[quote]
yorkma says...
11:27pm Wed 13 Feb 13
Pete sometimes I read your posts with amusement and you make sense tonight you are a fool who else would have directed things, what is your obvious hate for the Police?If they turned out and got things flowing what is the problem? The races? I bet they just love working that. Why don't you volunteer if you know so much about everything
[/quote]
Sorry, my point was thousands of us took up to two hours to move less than half a mile on the way home last night, I agree the police are the only organisation able to assist and man junctions to get the traffic moving, they didn't turn out though and they didn't get things moving.
Luckily God mistook some of the words I was mumbling after being on hold on NYP's non emergency number for twenty minutes as an ancient Suix Indian rain chant at about seven o clock and duly obliged converting the snow to slush and allowing me and the others to leave Hull road.
I did at one point last night feel like volunteering, donning my yellow coat and helping my fellow motorists but as a builder I lack a pointy hat and any authority what so ever to tell people not to block roundabouts, wave them through red traffic lights or instruct a council worker to switch the bloody things off or alter their phasing to stop them changing every five seconds to suit the level of frozen precipitation on the highway so it would have been dangerous for me to do so.Pete the Brickie

There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems.

The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades.

People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is.

Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur
ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.

There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems.
The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades.
People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is.
Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur
ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.ReginaldBiscuit

Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.

Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.MrsHoney

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.

Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!!

[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote:
There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.[/p][/quote]Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!!matroom

MrsHoney wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.

I agree that was part of it, but I'd also say that the traffic light phasing did not help. Like you I ended up taking a longer but clearer back road route home in the end. But the council could have eased this last night, people needed much longer to get their vehicle moving, only two cars were getting through every change of lights instead of twelve or more due to this. As Anne Reid and her daughter's wedding proved the highways department have the facility to change light patterns and they could and should have done so.

[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree that was part of it, but I'd also say that the traffic light phasing did not help. Like you I ended up taking a longer but clearer back road route home in the end. But the council could have eased this last night, people needed much longer to get their vehicle moving, only two cars were getting through every change of lights instead of twelve or more due to this. As Anne Reid and her daughter's wedding proved the highways department have the facility to change light patterns and they could and should have done so.Pete the Brickie

That second photograph highlights a great example of moronic traffic planning. A huge hedge on a traffic island directly before a busy roundabout. Some idiot thought "if we put a hedge there, people will have to stop". They do. (Most would anyway). And when they've stopped, they still can't see. And neither can traffic on the roundabout see them, behind it. Bikes in particular lurk unseen - it's a death-trap.

It's a dreadful junction that a couple of hours with a pair of garden shears could sort out to everyone's advantage.

Another example of CoYC's "let's make the roads as difficult for road-users as possible" policy.

That second photograph highlights a great example of moronic traffic planning. A huge hedge on a traffic island directly before a busy roundabout. Some idiot thought "if we put a hedge there, people will have to stop". They do. (Most would anyway). And when they've stopped, they still can't see. And neither can traffic on the roundabout see them, behind it. Bikes in particular lurk unseen - it's a death-trap.
It's a dreadful junction that a couple of hours with a pair of garden shears could sort out to everyone's advantage.
Another example of CoYC's "let's make the roads as difficult for road-users as possible" policy.Ignatius Lumpopo

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.

Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!!

Stop reading books like "How to be a complete Bell End" then.

[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote:
There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.[/p][/quote]Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!![/p][/quote]Stop reading books like "How to be a complete Bell End" then.ReginaldBiscuit

MrsHoney wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.

I agree that was part of it, but I'd also say that the traffic light phasing did not help. Like you I ended up taking a longer but clearer back road route home in the end. But the council could have eased this last night, people needed much longer to get their vehicle moving, only two cars were getting through every change of lights instead of twelve or more due to this. As Anne Reid and her daughter's wedding proved the highways department have the facility to change light patterns and they could and should have done so.

Yes that's true, nobody wants to be trying to race through the lights when it's slippy so they need to allow extra time.

Ignatius, I've often thought that about the A59/ring road roundabout, you can't see what's coming. They're supposed to be changing it though so fingers crossed they use common sense this time.

[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.[/p][/quote]I agree that was part of it, but I'd also say that the traffic light phasing did not help. Like you I ended up taking a longer but clearer back road route home in the end. But the council could have eased this last night, people needed much longer to get their vehicle moving, only two cars were getting through every change of lights instead of twelve or more due to this. As Anne Reid and her daughter's wedding proved the highways department have the facility to change light patterns and they could and should have done so.[/p][/quote]Yes that's true, nobody wants to be trying to race through the lights when it's slippy so they need to allow extra time.
Ignatius, I've often thought that about the A59/ring road roundabout, you can't see what's coming. They're supposed to be changing it though so fingers crossed they use common sense this time.MrsHoney

ReginaldBiscuit wrote: There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.

Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!!

Stop reading books like &quot;How to be a complete Bell End" then.

Ah, yes, the one i borrowed from you ?? You can have it back, it $hit !!!

[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: There's a something extremely fundamental here. One event causes chaos and pandemonium. Fortunately this doesn't happen often although if one of the routes out of York is blocked at rush hour, it causes major problems. The transport network in this city is incredibly fragile and vulnerable to a number of scenarios. You can argue till you're blue in the face about the causality but the fact remains that a system as susceptible as this is allowed to continue without any action. Any outlying event brings the transport system in York to a halt. This isn't the fault of a select group or one individual, this is a combination of failings over decades. People who use the transport system are fed up of listening to councillors petty squabbling and point-scoring. The public are equally skeptical when it comes to bigwigs and individualists representing York's interests abroad when it can't even solve it's problems at home. I am sure JA and the happy crew made clear in their recent visit to Paris how terrible York's transport system actually is. Unfortunately in these lean times, the only way forward is generating money to improve services. I personally think vehicles should be charged to come into York and tolled to use A1237 the bypass between the A64 and A59 (you could make an absolute fortune in a short time given the amount of traffic that uses the road). Failing that and this will please our richest companies, make the supermarkets pay for the upgrade of routes around them. Tescos/Asda/Sainsbur ys/Morrisons etc. All corporate behemoths avoiding corporation tax anyway they can. They generate much of the traffic, they should pay for the upgrade of the infrastructure.[/p][/quote]Anybody who uses the word fundemental / fundementaly is an ar$e in my book !!![/p][/quote]Stop reading books like "How to be a complete Bell End" then.[/p][/quote]Ah, yes, the one i borrowed from you ?? You can have it back, it $hit !!!matroom

MrsHoney wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.

Exactly. Most car drivers are stupid. they do NOT drive according to the conditions. I rode a motorcycle home yesterday from York to Stamford bridge. Took longer but I allowed for it. I lost count of how many unbelievably moronic car drivers were trundling along with snow covering all except the windscreen. Even the lights were covered. Too much effort for these brain dead scum to sort out their car before setting off. (And thus drive legally). But that's too straight forward for these mindless gimps in their cars. If THEY crash and die, fine. One less f*****g prat on the roads and one less oxygen waster. No real loss...

[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote:
Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Most car drivers are stupid. they do NOT drive according to the conditions. I rode a motorcycle home yesterday from York to Stamford bridge. Took longer but I allowed for it. I lost count of how many unbelievably moronic car drivers were trundling along with snow covering all except the windscreen. Even the lights were covered. Too much effort for these brain dead scum to sort out their car before setting off. (And thus drive legally). But that's too straight forward for these mindless gimps in their cars. If THEY crash and die, fine. One less f*****g prat on the roads and one less oxygen waster. No real loss...deathwatch

i really dont think there is any need to go out and spend hundreds of pounds on winter tyres ..for the few days of snow ..how about people drive a little slower drive sensibly im sure we will get through it just fine

[quote][p][bold]Triker55[/bold] wrote:
Let me guess.....
Nobody had winter tyres fitted?
You'll never learn!![/p][/quote]i really dont think there is any need to go out and spend hundreds of pounds on winter tyres ..for the few days of snow ..how about people drive a little slower drive sensibly im sure we will get through it just fineRonald Crumble

MrsHoney wrote: Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.

Exactly. Most car drivers are stupid. they do NOT drive according to the conditions. I rode a motorcycle home yesterday from York to Stamford bridge. Took longer but I allowed for it. I lost count of how many unbelievably moronic car drivers were trundling along with snow covering all except the windscreen. Even the lights were covered. Too much effort for these brain dead scum to sort out their car before setting off. (And thus drive legally). But that's too straight forward for these mindless gimps in their cars. If THEY crash and die, fine. One less f*****g prat on the roads and one less oxygen waster. No real loss...

Wowzers !!! Your a bit harsh arent you ??? No valentines cards !!!

[quote][p][bold]deathwatch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: Yes it was slippy in places but part of the problem was people being over cautious. I could see plenty of people driving too slowly and stopping and starting all the time. That's what causes you to start slipping, if you can get a steady momentum it's OK. I went a different way home in the end that was less busier and was able to get to a reasonable speed. The snow was forecast, if you're not competent to drive in it then get the bus.[/p][/quote]Exactly. Most car drivers are stupid. they do NOT drive according to the conditions. I rode a motorcycle home yesterday from York to Stamford bridge. Took longer but I allowed for it. I lost count of how many unbelievably moronic car drivers were trundling along with snow covering all except the windscreen. Even the lights were covered. Too much effort for these brain dead scum to sort out their car before setting off. (And thus drive legally). But that's too straight forward for these mindless gimps in their cars. If THEY crash and die, fine. One less f*****g prat on the roads and one less oxygen waster. No real loss...[/p][/quote]Wowzers !!! Your a bit harsh arent you ??? No valentines cards !!!matroom

i really dont think there is any need to go out and spend hundreds of pounds on winter tyres ..for the few days of snow ..how about people drive a little slower drive sensibly im sure we will get through it just fine

Imagine if the council had that outlook... "no need to spend thousands of pounds on gritters that only get used for a few days each year, everybody can just driver a bit more slowly".

[quote][p][bold]Ronald Crumble[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Triker55[/bold] wrote:
Let me guess.....
Nobody had winter tyres fitted?
You'll never learn!![/p][/quote]i really dont think there is any need to go out and spend hundreds of pounds on winter tyres ..for the few days of snow ..how about people drive a little slower drive sensibly im sure we will get through it just fine[/p][/quote]Imagine if the council had that outlook... "no need to spend thousands of pounds on gritters that only get used for a few days each year, everybody can just driver a bit more slowly".Magicman!

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
That second photograph highlights a great example of moronic traffic planning. A huge hedge on a traffic island directly before a busy roundabout. Some idiot thought &quot;if we put a hedge there, people will have to stop". They do. (Most would anyway). And when they've stopped, they still can't see. And neither can traffic on the roundabout see them, behind it. Bikes in particular lurk unseen - it's a death-trap.

It's a dreadful junction that a couple of hours with a pair of garden shears could sort out to everyone's advantage.

Another example of CoYC's "let's make the roads as difficult for road-users as possible" policy.

I use the roundabout (Huntington Road / Monkgate) pretty much on a daily basis, and it completely baffles me that somebody thought putting a bush right in the line of view was a good idea. Approaching from Huntington Road, I have to evaluate the traffic setup from as far back as the end of Lowther Street to work out where cars will be when I'm approaching the stop line and effectively can't see anything.... If I'm on the roundabout from Monkgate going onto Heworth Green I am always uneasy about passing that exit simply because some car could just 'go for broke' and shoot out without being able to see what's there....

[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote:
That second photograph highlights a great example of moronic traffic planning. A huge hedge on a traffic island directly before a busy roundabout. Some idiot thought "if we put a hedge there, people will have to stop". They do. (Most would anyway). And when they've stopped, they still can't see. And neither can traffic on the roundabout see them, behind it. Bikes in particular lurk unseen - it's a death-trap.
It's a dreadful junction that a couple of hours with a pair of garden shears could sort out to everyone's advantage.
Another example of CoYC's "let's make the roads as difficult for road-users as possible" policy.[/p][/quote]I use the roundabout (Huntington Road / Monkgate) pretty much on a daily basis, and it completely baffles me that somebody thought putting a bush right in the line of view was a good idea. Approaching from Huntington Road, I have to evaluate the traffic setup from as far back as the end of Lowther Street to work out where cars will be when I'm approaching the stop line and effectively can't see anything.... If I'm on the roundabout from Monkgate going onto Heworth Green I am always uneasy about passing that exit simply because some car could just 'go for broke' and shoot out without being able to see what's there....Magicman!