Rubio: The only way to incentivize border enforcement is to hold up the green-card process

posted at 11:01 am on January 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

While confusion continues to reign over the border-enforcement mechanisms in the Gang of Eight immigration-reform proposal, its most critical proponent continued to insist yesterday that a lack of a robust trigger on border security was a deal killer. Marco Rubio took his case to Sean Hannity, who asked (as I did yesterday) whether Rubio would oppose his own compromise plan if the commission-certification trigger was watered down or removed. Rubio committed again to opposition by saying that it would “absolutely” be a deal-killer:

Rubio: “That’s why the details are so important of how you write it. You’re absolutely right. This is a town where they write things that are called something, but that’s not what it is. So it has to be important. Look, you said something in your outline that is very important. I don’t want to ever have to do this again. But that’s what is going to happen if all we do is the legalization part and we don’t do the enforcement part. And the only way that I know to incentivize the enforcement part is to say that the green card stuff doesn’t even begin to happen until the enforcement happens first. That trigger is critically important, otherwise it will never happen. That’s why we are where we are today. Because when they did this in 1986, they did not do the enforcement, and that led to 11 million people. We will be right back here again in ten years or less if we don’t do the enforcement.”

Hannity: “Can I characterize that, if you don’t get enforcement first, or securing the borders first, is that a deal killer for you?”

Rubio: “Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because we will be right back here again. I want to deal with this permanently. And by the way, I think the vast majority of people in both parties would agree with me on that point. No one ever wants to have to do this again. I mean, no one is happy about the fact that we have 11 million people here who are undocumented. This is something that should never ever happen again. But the decisions that were made that led to this happened when I was in ninth grade. That was a long time ago. And now we have to deal with it so that it never happens again.”

The confusion isn’t just contained to the Right, nor the concern over this point. Greg Sargent reports that Democrats from the Gang of Eight have become just as evasive as some of the Republicans while Rubio publicly insists that the package will require commission approval before the normalization can proceed:

Meanwhile, Dem Senate aides tell me that the commission’s role is designed to be purely advisory and nonbinding. At the same time, Chuck Schumer’s office declined to respond to my request for clarification on this point.

Can we get a straight answer on this, please? This question is viewed as critical by people on both sides of the debate. Yet Senators appear to want to keep the answer to this question vague. Which tells us something about the politics of this fight — and about just how difficult the prospects for reform remain.

Judging by Rubio’s response to this question, it’ll be hard for Republicans to support reform that doesn’t require a security seal of approval from border state officials. This reflects pressure from the right on Republicans to demand an extremely heavy emphasis on enforcement in the plan. (See Conn Carroll pushing Rubio on this point.)

We probably won’t get a straight answer until we see the legislative language, and that will be a few weeks off. However, Rubio is raising the bar on this issue in a very public manner, and even McCain’s answer suggests that the commission might have to pass the question to DHS before a decision can be made. As Rubio and Hannity both agree, the devil is in the details.

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All we have to go on is how the two party evil money cult leaders in Washington D.C. have handled this in the past.

No border security, none, millions more come, Brian Terry dead, more will die, Zetas in Dallas, Chicago, L.A. hell the Zetas are forceing the blacks out of Compton Calif. via base ball bats and guns this very hour.

So, there will be talk of border security, they will fund it and then steal the money and the borders all of them sea, land, air will still be open.

Fluking Kabuki theater. The “certification commission”, or whatever other fanciful name they come up with, is a complete sham. Even if their members are well-intended American patriots – and that won’t happen too often – the media, La Raza and ACLU will put them in such a squeeze that they won’t be able to sign the certificates fast enough. Of course, they will stop a particularly odious cartel gangster once in a blue moon so the papers could scream about it for a month.

Second look at Charlie Crist? The orange guy sure caused much less damage per TV screen minute. Nah, too late now…

It is totally destructive for our country if we give the illegal immigrants a citizenship even if take 15 years to do so… Legalize them but with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP under any condition… not even Green Card… Issue them work visas that can be renewed every 5 years with a fee and under the conditions that they cannot use any benefits (social security, medicare, medicad, welfare, food stamps, housing, etc…) and they cannot commit any crime not just “serious crimes”… Also we should not let them pay social security and medicare taxes because they should not be benefiting from these programs…

Rubio: The only way to incentivize border enforcement is to hold up the green-card process

Yeah, this is never going to happen, because the minute the GOP tries anything like this, the race card will be deployed. Furthermore, as has been repeatedly pointed out, the executive branch is going to be in charge of any border enforcement provisions. The enforcement provisions are a joke and are there to fool the easily fooled and the willing dupes.

If it is all ‘enforcement first’ then how about an enforcement only bill that EVERYONE should agree to and see if the border can ACTUALLY be secured?

Really, Rubio, et. al. should be gung-ho all for that and be willing to hold up the rest as it is contingent on the first.

So how about it, Sen. Rubio? Can you get behind an enforcement only bill and say that the rest has to be back-burnered until the US government can demonstrate that it can actually do its job? You know, enforce the laws, secure the borders, protect the Nation… because the last time Congress swore up and down it would actually enforce the border it didn’t do that and this is just the type of stupidity being replayed this time. How about breaking the old cycle of stupid, Sen. Rubio? Or is ‘normalization’ more important than having the government do its job?

Rubio will learned that the Democrats have destroyed him on this. They know he’s damaged his brand with some conservatives with this. Now, they’ll make the bill such that he HAS to vote against it to damage his brand with the other side. He’s played right into their hands. this was ALL about destroying Rubio for 2016 and he fell for it.

Rubio is proving himself to be an embarrassment. America does not have a damned Illegal immigration problem. What we have is a law enforcement problem. Enforce the damned laws we already have, put politicians or LEWO’s who advocate for Sanctuary cities or states in prison and enforce the damned laws.

As far as the illegal aliens already here, perhaps a refresher in American History is in order. Operation Wetback

Rubio is proving himself to be an embarrassment. America does not have a d@mned Illegal immigration problem. What we have is a law enforcement problem. Enforce the d@mned laws we already have, put politicians or LEO’s who advocate for Sanctuary cities or states in prison and enforce the d@mned laws.

Marcus on January 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Are you going to pay for the cost of ObamaCare and extra entitlements for the “illegals” once they become citizens?

bw222 on January 29, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Of course not! See, when they flood the emergency rooms now and as per federal law they have the same right to medical care that you do and I would be sued bankrupt if I did anything but provide that care, I shall to continue to accept their Monopoly money as payment in full./

Rubio is proving himself to be an embarrassment. America does not have a d@mned Illegal immigration problem. What we have is a law enforcement problem. Enforce the d@mned laws we already have, put politicians or LEO’s who advocate for Sanctuary cities or states in prison and enforce the d@mned laws.

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 11:20 AM

True that.

The Federales are not doing their constitutional duty and have been actively interfering with border states.

See, when they flood the emergency rooms now and as per federal law they have the same right to medical care that you do and I would be sued bankrupt if I did anything but provide that care, I shall to continue to accept their Monopoly money as payment in full./

Marcus on January 29, 2013 at 11:22 AM

And you think giving them pieces of paper is going to change that behavior? LOL. They don’t give a sh!t about any of our laws. They’re not going to start giving a sh!t just because America surrenders to them and then aids and abets them in the new crime of printing up citizenships for illegals who are already citizens of one or many other countries. And they like just running to the emergency room, whether they have BarkyCare or not. What’s going to happen, they’ll be turned away? LOL.

Rubio’s an idiot. Bush is an idiot (the whole friggin globalist family). Perry isn’t too swift. And Cruz did not do himself any favors with his wishy-washy, silly statement. Amnesty is a deal-breaker and anyone who doesn’t realize that is an idiot – aside from being a treasonous worm who is looking to destroy the concept of the nation-state, which is what such a lack of respect for national sovereignty is tantamount to.

Take your squishes and go. They are idiots and morons who will just cause the death of the GOP that the party almost achieved with the moronic 2006-2008 push for amnesty and treasonous aiding and abetting of illegals.

We don’t need any new laws. The immigration laws currently on the books are sufficient, just insufficiently enforced.

Seal the southern border, drastically curtail the issuance of visitors visas, disband the TSA and use money slated for that to hire up more border guards and interior enforcers and let the system go to work. Within ten years, judging by previous yearly rates of deportations and voluntary exodus, our illegals will be gone back to their home countries.

The Marxists have infiltrated the GOPe, it’s that simple. the GOPe does not represent the Conservative base. Time for a true Conservative Political Party and time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs.

And enough with the whole “creating a path to citizenship” nonsense. There *is* a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. It involves going to their home country and applying for citizenship through existing channels.

We don’t need any new laws. The immigration laws currently on the books are sufficient, just insufficiently enforced.

Seal the southern border, drastically curtail the issuance of visitors visas, disband the TSA and use money slated for that to hire up more border guards and interior enforcers and let the system go to work. Within ten years, judging by previous yearly rates of deportations and voluntary exodus, our illegals will be gone back to their home countries.

You know why immigration ‘reform’ has to be ‘addressed now’? Because the flow across the border has stopped; the job market for people of illegal status is saturated. We have to now legalize those already here so they will lose their jobs (which is largely BASED on their illegal status) and likely many ending up in our entitlement realm. THEN the flow of NEW illegals- to fill the illegal jobs- can start up again.
Are people really THIS dumb not to see this??

The government has done nothing in the last few decades to resolve the issue while REFUSING TO ENFORCE/IGNORING EXISTING LAW & CREATING NEW ‘RIGHTS’ FOR ILLEGALS (mandating no illegals be arrested, held, charged, convicted, or serve time for any crime less than a FELONY). This has resulted in millions of Illegals in this country for decades & provides Liberals with the arguments that 1) there are too many to deport (don’t need to – don’t give them anything & don’t allow them to work & they will leave on their own) & 2) They have been here ‘too long’ to ‘uproot’ now.

That basically meand there is a lot of ‘RED’ (illegals) ‘on the books (here in America. The Liberal response is NOT to come up with a NEW idea that involves (finally) FULL ENFORCEMENT OF OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS, that does NOT include any solution to the continued influx of illegals (& terrorists), & does NOT include any real deterent for illegals to come here or punishment for those who do. All they want to do is ‘clear the red off of the books’. their way to do that is a new easy ‘AMNESTY’ solution.

Great – millions of ‘new citizens’ loyal to the Democrats who just gave it to them for their own personal/political benefit (to h@ll with what is best for the nation) – the books are wiped clean & we can start ANEW, beginning to add new decades of RED.

What is the last REAL solution our federal government has come up with? ‘Damage control’ & bending everyone over for special interest groups & their own personal/party benefit is what our government has been reduced to.

Sorry, but I call bullsh-t. Rubio is lying and is trying to throw a bone to conservatives while pandering to Hispanics, which are perceived as all being pro-illegal immigration.

Yes, their proposed bill holds up the green card process until the border enforcement is implemented. But, in its place, it grants everyone here illegally a temporary legal status until the green card process can move forward. If everyone is now allowed to be here legally, how is that incentivizing border security? Answer: It’s not.

The GOP has already caved on this. They are convinced that their stance on illegal immigration is one of the things that cost them the 2012 election. They believe all Hispanics want illegal immigrants to be rewarded. And they’re scared to death that someone may call them racist if they try to enforce border security.

Face it, folks. The GOP pushing through tough border security that sticks is not going to happen.

The Marxists have infiltrated the GOPe, it’s that simple. the GOPe does not represent the Conservative base. Time for a true Conservative Political Party and time for the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs.

One of the ‘solutions’ Liberals put in this bill to enforce our immigration laws better & prevent the flood of illegals into our country is BEING STRICTER ON OUT-OF-DATE WORK VISAS. Anyone who knows the biggest problem with Visas today is there aren’t enough people working to keep track of & follow-up on the Visas that are handed out. Work Visas, for example, are like the stamp the Librarian puts in the book you are checking out. You can keep that d@mn book out for the rest of your life & that 1 librarian is not going to track you down & hold you accountable.

They say they want to tie the Visas to a US-wide electronic ID check system so if anyone’s ID is checked using this system they will be flagged. Remember how by now all the medical files were supposed to be on-line so that doctors anywhere could instantly have access to your records? We are $16.8 Trillion in debt & instead of facing the already existing problems & enforcing existing law we are coming up with ‘fantasy’ solutions that would cost a TON of money that we don’t have already. It’s a joke/pipe dream.

Besides, as pointed out, when the President tells his Attorney General that it is his new ‘policy’ that illegals who commit crimes less than a FELONY they will not be arrested/charged/sentenced/jailed – a ‘right’ American citizens don;t even have – how is ANYTHING they come up with going to have any impact/work in any way? This President has violated the Constitution & U.S. Law so many times any plan he comes up with TO ME isn’t worth being used for anything other than Toilet Paper!

We have a Congress that made it against the law NOT to pass a budget annually. KNOWING they would be the ones to commit that ‘crime’/break that law, they purposely put no ‘teeth’ to the bill, no punishment associated with it! THEY GAVE THEMSELVES A ‘PASS’ FOR BREAKING THE LAW! you think they are going to put ‘teeth’ into the bill that would punish the largest/fastest growing source of future constituents, voters who would hold them accountable for ENFORCING U.S. LAW – which is not in their (illegals’) best interest?!

Rubio is just pointing out the obvious – ‘the emperor has no clothes’. You can be so partisan that you avert your eyes to the ‘king being necked’ & punish the messenger if you want, but it just makes the politicians laugh. Our nation has become so messed up – partisan – that corrupt career politicians who act in the best interest of themselves & their party versus what is best for the nation have most of Americans SO blindly partisan that they have ‘us’ fighting each other over who is LESS corrupt/criminal versus holding them ALL accountable. It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic…

Rubio: The only way to incentivize border enforcement is to hold up the green card process.

Incentivize law enforcement? Well, we’ve lost the battle then.

And a trigger? A TRIGGER? There is no such thing. We’re not that stupid, Screwbio.

Border enforcement is national defense issue. It should only be dealt with and prioritized as such. It should never be linked -legislation wise- with immigration. The second you conflate the two, you’ve lost the battle on both fronts. This is where we are today.

We’re far better off doing absolutely nothing. Too few politicians and citizens have real interest in defending our borders and enforcing immigration law. Anything -ANYTHING- that passes weakens the position of real law enforcement as well as national defense because ANYTHING that passes will be amnesty. And embracing amnesty confirms to the world that the United States is not serious about our security OR legal immigration.

I am not a huge Marco Rubio fan, there is something about him i don’t trust. I personally think he will end up another wealthy senator in a few years. It also annoys me that fake smile he puts on. I hope i’m wrong.

Texas has lost court cases trying to enforce the law & finally caved on the Dream Act to avoid another law suit and try and save the state some money.

That law is up for review in this legislative session…It will be interesting to see what happens.

We need immigration enforcement, secure borders and immigration court reform because the immigration courts have become a corrupt cesspool that funnels money to the immigration leeching grievance industry & politicians who enjoy power by manipulating the issue.

There are lawful Latino immigrants sponsored into this country who have to wait 12-15 years for citizenship and other groups who are favored for fast track immigration for political reasons.

Rubio: The only way to incentivize border enforcement is to hold up the green card process.

Incentivize law enforcement? Well, we’ve lost the battle then.

And a trigger? A TRIGGER? There is no such thing. We’re not that stupid, Screwbio.

Border enforcement is national defense issue. It should only be dealt with and prioritized as such. It should never be linked -legislation wise- with immigration. The second you conflate the two, you’ve lost the battle on both fronts. This is where we are today.

We’re far better off doing absolutely nothing. Too few politicians and citizens have real interest in defending our borders and enforcing immigration law. Anything -ANYTHING- that passes weakens the position of real law enforcement as well as national defense because ANYTHING that passes will be amnesty. And embracing amnesty confirms to the world that the United States is not serious about our security OR legal immigration.

This is ONLY about the vote.

LetsBfrank on January 29, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Rubio’s father comes from a favored class of immigrants and he’ from Florida.

Democrats are expert at exploiting this with other Latinos.

Cruz understands that being from Texas…Rubio being from Florida doesn’t.

Florida tends to be insular & Democrats from California to Texas exploit this to their advantage.

This is all so thunderingly stupid. Obama isn’t going to sign ANYTHING to do with enforcement. He’s the strong horse here. He’s asserted himself in a void and no republican dares to challenge him. So they’ll posture and pontificate and then cave to get soemthing he can sign.

Not only are we all idiots but we secretly want to shoot all illegals or throw them into death camps, right?

Or have you backed off from your hysterics of yesterday?

Bishop on January 29, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I don’t secretly want that. Although I prefer the idea of identify and deport first, then if they come back forced labor prison camp, failure to carry ones own weight in the labor camp brings execution.

Of course, the first lines of actions should be.

Secure the border. Fence and personnel.
Make the green card a tracking device which must be active and on the immigrant at all times. Failure means deportation and a bar on future entry for life.
Workplace enforcement with many many more company officials put in prison.
Extend the work place verification to include day labor type employees. You pick someone up at Lowes or Home Depot, you better ask for ID, or you could be in prison.
Make it such that any government employee that OKs welfare for any illegal alien is punished, if the number of people they OK is large, such as 10 or more, they face prison.
End anchor baby status. No American parent, not American citizenship. We do not need them.
End the reimbursement for illegal alien medical care. If a hospital services someone, they need proof of citizenship or payment in advance.
Citizenship, school visa or permanent resident status required to go to school. Any school that is teaching the illegals will have 5 times the value of the found illegals removed from their budgets.

Our only hope are the House republicans. They stopped it last time, it’s up to us to force them to stop it this time also.

Rebar on January 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM

I just got back from Cruz’s Houston office with a few other NumbersUSA people and the phone was ringing off the hook. We could barely talk to the staffer because he was putting people on hold and having to get back to them. You could even hear some people yelling through the phone. I told him that the grassroots in Texas has his (Cruz) back and to draw a line in the sand. I also heard Laura Ingraham say that opposition is starting to mount. This whole “enforcement” sham is being exposed for what it is.

It is all about creating a whol enew source of millions of loyal voters to the DNC!

o Has everyone forgotten the 1st Illegal march across the US a few years ago? Millions of Illegals marched carrying signs stating ‘Scr@w America’, ‘We don’t want to be Americans – we want Texas back’, ‘Give us the money’, etc. The day after that march Leaders got the word out that this display would anger Americans & hurt their effort – they organized another march with them carrying U.S.-friendly signs that next time.

o Has everyone forgotten what I mentioned – Obama’s directive to Holder that illegals committing crimes less than a felony were NOT supposed to be arrested/charged/sentenced/jailed? Military families that are forced to move from state to state couldn’t get in-state tuition for their families but Illegals were being given in-state tuition!

o We KNOW there are terrorist cells in this country now as a result of our porous borders…but that wasn’t enough to get them to secure our borders. There have been cases where the Mexican Military came across the border & provided military protection for Mexican Drug Cartels doing drug deals/deliveries on our side of the Border – some Border Patrol Agents have been fired on by the Mexican military….almost none of this was elevated very high in the news to keep Americans ignorant, & even these ‘INVASIONS’ were not enough to get out self/party-serving politicians to do anything about securing our borders!

o There was a case where Illegals were crossing a farmers field, the farmer shot at them, the Mexican govt sued, & the US govt seized the farm & gave it to Mexico as ‘reparations’ to the illegal trespassers – still being fought in court. Remember the husband/wife on the border lake – husband killed & never recovered the body & some Mexican was offered up as a scapegoat.

And are you telling me the U.S. Govt can’t can’t find a way to secure OUR OWN BORDERS & protect Americans? Is it a matter of they ‘CAN’T’ or they haven’t wanted to/tried to? Why can’t we enforce the laws we have? A U.S. court just found Obama in violation of the Law/Constitution by making appointments (NLRB) while Congress WAS in session – since them Obama refuses to acknowledge the court’s decision, refuses to have the NLRB chief step down, & the NLRB Chief just said he is ignoring the court & ‘proceeding forward’. Is that an ‘INABILITY’ to obey existing laws or, as this demonstrates, is it the lack of desire to do so?!

Okmulgee, Muskogee and Bartlesville. The largest gang in the area is the Hoover Crips. Their main sets are the 107, 54,63, 57 and 27. Most of their disputes are with the Neighborhood Crips involving homicides, shootings and fights at the schools. During the summer of 2008 Tulsa saw 4 gang related murders involving the Hoover Crips, Neighborhood Crips and the Bloods.

Folk Nation Gangster Disciples are becoming more prevalent in Tulsa and most are aligning with the Crip sets. Latin Kings have also been seen.

Senator Rubio has lost my vote for President. As long as we continue to offer amnesty, more and more people will cross the border illegally and we will become the northern most states of Mexico. What part of the word “illegal” doesn’t he understand?

Mr. Rubio has lost my vote for President. I have no desire to live in the northern most states of Mexico. What part of the word “Illegal” doesn’t he understand? I refuse to learn Spanish to live and function in the city I was born.

The GOP has already caved on this. They are convinced that their stance on illegal immigration is one of the things that cost them the 2012 election.

Shump

That’s what they want you to think. The reality is they don’t believe that at all. In fact, they know it’s complete BS. That’s just a talking point they’ve used to reel in rubes like illinidiva.

When you have John McCain, a former Republican presidential candidate, saying we need to do this to finish what was started by Ted Kennedy, one of the biggest liberals to ever serve in the United States senate, it’s pretty clear it’s not about getting votes. Make no mistake, these guys are just as much for open borders as any liberal, and it has nothing to do with getting votes.