Messages - dimrod80

depends on your numbers. If you have high numbers, getting in now will not be a problem. If you're numbers are borderline or you're a splitter, you may be at more of a disadvantage now than earlier in the cycle. However, no point crying over spilt milk, either way apply now and see what happens, you're still before the deadline.

Rejected as well - came as a bit of an "ouch" cause my numbers aren't that bad, I have lots of softs, and I expected at least a waitlist or for them to hold on to my application until they got all the apps in. Apparently they took one look at me and thought "no way in hell". Sour grapes, the village is an expensive place to live anyway.

I haven't really been keeping up with this thread, but I thought you all should know that I went to the G-town open house this past weekend and as I was leaving, I overheard Dean Cornblatt talking to two men in suits and I distinctly heard him say that 65% of the acceptances have been sent out.

HYS will probably grab the great students and maintain their numbers. CLS, Chicago, Penn, NYU will go slightly lower (admitting 4/5 cuspers instead of 1/5 for example). They will maintain their numbers though. The rest of the T14 will dip a point or two LSATwise but not GPAwise. The fact is that there are a finite number of high performance LSAT takers and a larger number of high GPAers.

For the high LSAT scorers, they will have their pick this year. Because their high scores will be in demand at the top schools to boost up averages, I expect a lot of splitters will be going elite this year as well (HYSCCPN) and the high GPA/lower LSATers (sub 169) will be in the bottom half of the T14, but accepted nonetheless.

As far as the cuspers, soft factors will play a big role this year in deciding which will make it elite and which won't. There will waitlists, but a lot of movement on them around April/May.

For those of you complaining that Duke went 0-for-the-season and Michigan just played in a BCS Bowl, let me ask you this: when was the last time Michigan football lost a big game? Answer: New Year's DayAnd when was the last time Duke football lost a big game? That's right, you can't think of one. There you go.

I can't think of the last time Duke lost a football game because until you mentioned, I'd honestly never heard of Duke having a football team.

And to make all of you a bit more comfy in your T14 status, hop over to the non-trad board and you'll find quite a few applicants who scored 170+ but due to family, work, financial obligations aren't able to up and move to a T14 so they go to the local T2, or have to continue to work and go to a PT program, or end up choosing a full-ride at another lower ranked school.

Sweet - that makes more room for us at the top!

I hope this thread gave some assurance to some of those in the precarious 95th percentile (not quite high enough for an auto-admit, not quite low enough to want to retake). Write good essays, get good grades, have good LORs and you will get into at least one top school.

More empirical evidence: another thing that led me to start this thread was scrolling through LSN and checking the stats of every person last year with LSAT 167 and GPA between 3.7 and 3.8. Every single one of them got into at least one t14, and usually at least one t10 by the end of the cycle. Some of them were def, accepted and some WL, accepted. But they all got in somewhere, except for that one guy I referenced earlier who inspired me to work out the numbers. He must have written a pretty obnoxious PS or something.

So dim, just because I'm bored, what's the best school you think I can/will get into? I think I have better than an outside shot at Columbia, and if I was applying, I bet Chicago might give me a look. Personally, I think I'm looking more at the Penn/UVA area (I'm not applying to Boalt or Michigan), UVA especially since I would be in-state. Your turn!

I have no idea really, since we're opposite. You are high lsat/lower gpa, I'm high gpa/lower lsat. Just do some web searches and see which schools weigh in the lsat factor more. I've heard Columbia does. But, really, the most important thing for you is to stop posting on this website and finish up your applications - there is a rolling admissions, so get your apps in this week and then hope. After your apps are in we can obsess about all this.

On second thought, the longer you take with your apps, the more likely they'll take mre in your place...lets keep talking...

Thanks for the advice Dim. I've got most of the schools you listed there (I know I have no shot at Yale, though I sent an app into Harvard for the hell of it). I know I should send one out to Duke and VA, but that extra 200 bucks seems hard to part with. I'm hoping I hear from NW, Mich or Cornell soon, either with rejections or acceptances so I know how to proceed.

I know it's still early in the cycle, but we're clearly all obsessive people so no surprise that we're anxious.

I'm actually not that anxious. I'd like to get into CLS or NYU, but I don't think my chances are stellar. I've already gotten into G-town, so I'm in the clear as far as going to a t14. I applied to a couple of other higher rated ones (though not HYS, cause why waste my money), and I'm hoping, but I'm really ok with just going to G-town if it comes down to it. I really just started this thread cause I get annoyed by people who blame their sub-170 LSAT score for everything. And I also get annoyed at peolpe who blame URMs for everything.

I hope all of you are right about your URM placement but I HIGHLY doubt it. I am a "choice" urm with an "elite" lsat and from what I can gather I'll get a small boost moving me from attending Michigan under non-urm status to NYU with URM status.

That was my whole point! URMs who get a boost are usually going from a lower t14 to a higher t14, not from a 155 LSAT into Harvard. I'm just trying to explain that people need to stop bitching about URMs stealing places at top law schools, when there is room for all people within a certain range (and not just 170+ers).

The numbers game (plus the non-response of almost every school I applied to) makes me really nervous that I should apply to every T14 just in case. I'm really borderline at most schools with a 169 (for those that are taking the higher score). I just feel like there are enough 170+ people out there to fill up all the seats at the T14, even though your numbers say otherwise.

What's your GPA? What was your lower LSAT score?

With 169, anything more than a 3.6GPA could probably get you in somewhere - that's just my $.02. And there are definately not enough 170+ers. They are all getting all the acceptances now, early in the cycle. But there are not enough of them to fill all the seats. Sooner or later they'll start turning down schools and that's when the rest of us 95%+ers will have a shot - you'll see.

Hope you're right! I only applied to 8 T14 schools so I'm a little nervous and thinking about throwing in a few more apps (especially if I get any more fee waivers). My lower LSAT was 164, so I'm on the cusp (5 point increase is where they usually start to take the higher score but not sure if it's generally MORE than five points that will make that happen). GPA is 3.6, so I'm on the cusp there too.

I hope you applied to some at the bottom of the t14. Too many people apply to Harvard, Yale, Stanford when they haven't got a prayer (even most 170+ers haven't got a prayer at Yale). If I were you, I'd try VA, Cornell, Northwestern, G-town, Boalt, Michigan, Duke. If yoru GPA was higher, I might tell you to aim higher and it doesn't hurt to apply, but honestly, your best bets are with the 8-14s. Again, just my $.02