Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Are civil unions allowed only for same sex couples? And are the benefits/responsibilities the same as 'traditional' marriage? If both are 'yes', I could easily see civil unions becoming a popular alternative for those who don't need or want the intermingled state and religious institution but do want a legal association with their partner, regardless of gender.

EngineerAU:Are civil unions allowed only for same sex couples? And are the benefits/responsibilities the same as 'traditional' marriage? If both are 'yes', I could easily see civil unions becoming a popular alternative for those who don't need or want the intermingled state and religious institution but do want a legal association with their partner, regardless of gender.

I can't speak for Colorado, but in California civil unions (domestic partnerships, I believe) are restricted to same-sex couples.

Theaetetus:Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

iheartscotch:Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Some people view baby steps and half-measures as insufficient when it comes to civil rights. I am one of those people. This is just some 'separate-but-equal bullshiat for the sake of religious fundie's delicate sensibilities.

Colorado needs to stop wasting their time on little things like ending the war on drugs and gay marriage and start focusing on important things like ending the sale of large sodas. Farking backward-ass red states I tell ya.

iheartscotch:Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Because it's not about the ceremony, it's about the over a thousand legal rights and privileges that come with the civil institution of marriage. Ceremonies? Shiat, those are always up to the church, which is why divorced people can get wed by protestants and thumb their noses at the Catholics. Weddings have nothing to do with legal rights, though.

KiTTeNs_on_AciD:iheartscotch: Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Some people view baby steps and half-measures as insufficient when it comes to civil rights. I am one of those people. This is just some 'separate-but-equal bullshiat for the sake of religious fundie's delicate sensibilities.

I agree, seperate but equal is screwy.

And anyone who reads the passage in the bible that concerns homosexuality knows that it wasn't really about them being gay; it was more about them wanting to rape some dudes.

So, the message really is; rape is bad.

/ still don't know why they don't just get married and worry about the legality later

After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.

iheartscotch:KiTTeNs_on_AciD: iheartscotch: Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Some people view baby steps and half-measures as insufficient when it comes to civil rights. I am one of those people. This is just some 'separate-but-equal bullshiat for the sake of religious fundie's delicate sensibilities.

I agree, seperate but equal is screwy.

And anyone who reads the passage in the bible that concerns homosexuality knows that it wasn't really about them being gay; it was more about them wanting to rape some dudes.

So, the message really is; rape is bad.

/ still don't know why they don't just get married and worry about the legality later

Your confusing the wedding with the rights that are granted to spouses. Having a ceremony doesn't solve any inheritance issues, or immigration issues, or custody issues, tax filing issues, or any of the other issues that legally married straight couples don't have. I know a few gay couples here in Colorado who did get married, ceremony and all.... but their marriage is not recognized by the state. Hence why we are worried about the legality NOW.

Theaetetus:iheartscotch: Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Because it's not about the ceremony, it's about the over a thousand legal rights and privileges that come with the civil institution of marriage. Ceremonies? Shiat, those are always up to the church, which is why divorced people can get wed by protestants and thumb their noses at the Catholics. Weddings have nothing to do with legal rights, though.

Not about the ceremony? If it doesn't matter, why go through with all the hassle of having a ceremony? Legal briefs suck!

/ I know what you mean; equality for everyone and all that jazz. I agree.

KiTTeNs_on_AciD:iheartscotch: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: iheartscotch: Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Some people view baby steps and half-measures as insufficient when it comes to civil rights. I am one of those people. This is just some 'separate-but-equal bullshiat for the sake of religious fundie's delicate sensibilities.

I agree, seperate but equal is screwy.

And anyone who reads the passage in the bible that concerns homosexuality knows that it wasn't really about them being gay; it was more about them wanting to rape some dudes.

So, the message really is; rape is bad.

/ still don't know why they don't just get married and worry about the legality later

Your confusing the wedding with the rights that are granted to spouses. Having a ceremony doesn't solve any inheritance issues, or immigration issues, or custody issues, tax filing issues, or any of the other issues that legally married straight couples don't have. I know a few gay couples here in Colorado who did get married, ceremony and all.... but their marriage is not recognized by the state. Hence why we are worried about the legality NOW.

You can accomplish most of the same stuff by giving the other person power of attorney.

I guess I don't know why anyone, now-a-days, wouldn't have a living will. But, sometimes wills mean squat in court.

Custody issues are difficult for everyone.

I agree that changes are needed; but, you might have to wait till all of the boomers are gone before it happens.

milsorgen:After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true. I am not trying to avoid you. Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado. Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true. I am not trying to avoid you. Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado. Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

milsorgen:After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.