If you do not allow us to raise the debt ceiling you will not get your SS check says Obama

The US is broke and the news is trickling out...I feel that is why this does not feel like a typical shutdown.

It's obvious that this whole shutdown fiasco has been more about the debt ceiling than anything else since it began. And it's also very obvious that
if the debt ceiling isn't raised then the US is in for big trouble very soon. But the question is how far can it be raised? Why don't they stop
beating around the bush and just admit the debt ceiling must be infinite because they will continue to keep raising it.

Scaring old people is a great tactic the Left has been using for years. Unfortunately for them the baby boomers are much brighter than their parents.
This usefulness of this tactic is starting to wear off. the best thing for the United States would be for the Government to be shut down for about
another 5-7 months. They should only be allowed to work when the tax money is in and they have money to blow. When it runs out they shut the doors.

"In a government shutdown, Social Security checks still go out on time. In an economic shutdown — if we don't raise the debt ceiling —
they don't go out on time," Obama said. "In a government shutdown, disability benefits still arrive on time. In an economic shutdown, they
don't."

If anyone has paid attention to my posts, I don't approve of Obama in any way.

But to be fair, he said they won't go out... ON TIME. And he stated it twice, that they won't go out ON TIME. Not that they won't go out at all.

That would seem to make quite a difference, no?

OR everyone can simply ignore he used those two littles words, twice, which seems to be the popular decision.

I've said from the start that if this is about going all the way, then I'm honestly not kidding about saying it's inevitable and may as well
get on with it. Sooner than later.

Math wise, there is no way out anymore. There is no 'solution'. Nothing the people we see at any level of current serving office will deal with or
even consider in a serious way. So, if it's to really go to total collapse.... I don't welcome it, but I'm not unprepared for the reality of it.

Anyone who has been watching the economics of debt build now since 07 should have steadily been seeing collapse as a question of time, not outcome.

Now having said that? If this IS NOT about going 100% ALL the way into collapse for rebuilding out of what WILL be ashes both figuratively and
physically by that point I fear, then it's just throwing the US into longer term suffering and kinda flopping around like a fish on a sunny dock.
That, for nothing.

Fix it or let it fall as honestly should have happened under the final years of Bush if anything free market still operated in our nation. Just don't
play Frogger in traffic, is all I ask. No... No Frogger. The little toad never ended well. It was only how many trips it got before being squashed.
We're about out of trips I think.

Have you ever known someone who was bankrupt, broke, unemployed AND on welfare? Someone who couldn't keep their bank account balanced and who was
always asking for money and spending it on booze and gambling? Someone who also owns a gun and is psychologically deranged yet always has a smile on
their face and a lie spewing out of their mouths? Someone who also keeps telling you how irresponsible YOU are, all the while eating food out of your
refrigerator and causing trouble with ALL of your neighbors?

If we hit the debt ceiling, it's game over. I recommend getting a job today if you don't have one, before everyone else is forced to and it's
impossible to get one.

Also, stock up on food, water and gas.

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I know a lot of people that are already using their back-up plans to survive, meanwhile, like living with family or on government assistance.

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I am not entirely sure, but I am guessing if government workers are out of work, we hit the debt ceiling and people don't get their social security
checks and disability checks, while meanwhile other countries aren't getting paid their loan payments, that could smash the economy.

"In a government shutdown, Social Security checks still go out on time. In an economic shutdown — if we don't raise the debt ceiling —
they don't go out on time," Obama said. "In a government shutdown, disability benefits still arrive on time. In an economic shutdown, they
don't."

You call it scaremongering but is there anything in this statement that is incorrect? You can blame the bickering between parties and point fingers at
the POTUS all you want but when it all comes down to it, it is a lose-lose situation. Raise the debt ceiling so you all can continue with your lives
like there is nothing wrong OR leave it where it is and deal with the consequences now. You already owe $16,000,000,000,000 so what is a few trillion
more right? Kick the can down the road a little then you can all have these same old arguments next fall.

My thoughts are that party lines have been divided due to polarization. A lot of this is originating from the Tea Party in the House, but a lot of the
Tea Party's power came from the fact that liberals have been being *dicks* lately.

Even being a Democrat, I would have voted in a Tea Party member just because I don't like dicks. And liberals have been being absolute inconsiderate
dicks about certain issues.

Notice that? The Tea Party got its power from the Democrats.

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Hope? Hmm... that would involve people dealing with their egos in time, I am not sure there is enough time to deal with all of the ego problems that
have been building up, but maybe.

It is even possible that people would realize they have to deal with their ego problems at the last minute, and run out of time to.

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Suggestions? If you don't have a job, get one today - like as in right after you are done reading this, start looking

The Federal Government will never default on it's debts - it will only default if they choose to. The Federal Government generates an obscene amount
of cash daily through tax revenues, oil and mineral leases etc.

How much extortion are they going to get away with? Anyone that thinks this hasn't been planned out way back in time, is naive to say the least.
Seriously all the wars, all the offshoring&automation that creates trade deficits and trade deficits that create welfare statism, a DOD budget that is
about 7 times bigger than china's or russia's, etc.

Every year we here this extortion. We must raise the debt ceiling but make minor cuts that dont affect the rich. Both parties using their leverage
to get what they want. But what happens when two cars playing chicken in a head-on collision don't have time to get out of each others way? They
collide!

USA will not default entirely but it will cause credit downgrades, which means more interest on the treasury notes, and the more interest you pay, the
faster and deeper you dig yourself into the hole. When we are talking trillions of debt even 1% more means hundreds of billions just in interest
payments.

The debt ceiling needs to be raised but if Obama had any brains left he would scrap ACA immediately and admitted it was too flawed. Obama will be
known as the ACA and QE president that along with Bushes 9-11 and two wars caused america to become a second tier nation.

I just wonder if this is just a show or they just got really bad problems they can't really fix where the media/obama says it's because the
republicans (god I hate that word) / tea party they can't do ANYTHING. Truth could be they just can't make a budget because of not enough funding to
pay for everything?
Of course they could never admit/say that so it's possible..

No offense but are you insane? Delayed SS benefits for those rellying on them to live is unspeakable!

Many of these folks are RETIRED and have no other source of income. They wont have any money to buy food, buy clothes, pay for kerosense to keep
their furnaces up and running. PEOPLE DIE UNDER SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES!

There would be a need for charities to supply soup and food kitchens, tent cities, salvation army, etc.

Since there is so much fear and anger over the possibility of default, I thought you'd like to see this:

House GOP leaders also insist they don't want a default, and they've already passed a bill to prevent it—not that the media have paid any
attention. First sponsored in 2011 by California Republican Tom McClintock and Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey, the Full Faith and Credit Act is
essentially an insurance policy against miscalculation. Their bill certifies that U.S. sovereign debt will always be repaid, on time and in full.

If Congress fails to authorize a statutory increase in the debt limit—during a period of, say, intense political conflict over the fisc like the one
now—the bill stipulates that Treasury can continue making contractual interest and principal payments to bond holders and rolling over debt with
incoming tax payments. Debt service gets the first call on revenue.

The McClintock-Toomey bill replicates the guarantees that state constitutions have had for hundreds of years to strengthen investor confidence. It
gives the Treasury Secretary discretion to prioritize among other federal obligations until the political deadlock ends, tempers cool and the parties
can reach a deal. But it makes his first priority to protect the full faith and credit of the U.S.

Yet instead of embracing this insurance against default, Democrats have voted to kill it even as they cry havoc about the risk of default. The House
passed McClintock-Toomey in May, but only on a 221 to 207 party-line vote after a raucous debate. The White House issued a formal veto threat, calling
it "unwise, unworkable and unacceptably risky."

It seems as though the Democrats are hoping to use the possibility of a default as a political tool to increase their strength, and have little
interest in ending that possibility. Good for the Democrats, bad for the country.

Let's be honest here... who DOESN'T think it is time to clear the hill? I mean honestly..

Every single member of government in DC needs to be fired.. period. They have proven time and time again that they can't get ANYTHING done to benefit
the people of this country.

I am so tired of hearing "democrat this.." and "republican that..". ENOUGH. If these two "groups" can't get their $h$% together enough to do
GOOD for the United States of America then its time for them to go. And as public opinion polls have shown.. no one in this country approves of the
job they are doing. As they are duly elected by US, the people, to represent us... I think it is our right to remove them from office. When an
employee is horrible at his job, do you let him/her continue on? When they don't do the work that is expected of them... do you let them go on a paid
vacation?!?!

This is getting ridiculous. This time last year we were hearing the same old BS about the "debt ceiling". Can we just come to terms with the fact
that the United States is BANKRUPT? That we've been bankrupt since 1913.. and that we will NEVER get out of debt with the current system?

Enough.. seriously. It is time to get these people out of here. These entitled, corporate ass kissing morons need to go. They don't care about this
country.. they've PROVEN they don't care about the people... Time for the pink slips. That goes for every single one of them.

The problem is that they have been kicking it down the road since 07. I do not even want to blame any POTUS at this time as it was put in play in the
early 90's, for this to happen. 9/11 was a huge economic set back but most people forget that. The internet boom that made everyone millionaires one
day and broke in a few years? This is the biggest Ponzi scheme ever. They even screwed people recently with Facebook and everyone still fell for it.
It is all about those who have getting more and if you step out of line you lose it. This started in 1913 folks and this is the result.

Fact is, the US is broke, like it or believe it does not matter, these are the facts. They have been shooting money in every direction and the rest of
the world is now looking at us like the spoiled old ball player who lost all his money, then relied on friends he lent money too, then whored himself
out to whoever would employ him or give him free drinks for endorsement and now is just a broken shell of what once was, or, at least what they
thought that they were. Everyone is kicking us around and laughing. Now, it is down to stealing from the old and poor. Middle class is tapped out.
Rich people are all going overseas.

If the government hadn't repeatedly raided a Social Security trust fund THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO to pay for their other poorly managed entitlement
programs and wasteful pork barrel projects, (leaving only IOU's in their wake that will never get paid back), this would not be an issue. This
government took a sizable and planned financial surplus and replaced it with worthless poorly drawing government bonds. In so doing, they have made it
entirely reliant on the general fund to pay out its beneficiaries, which is not what was billed as being intended.

When I look back on the whole program now, it more and more makes sense that all it ever was was another intentional and well-designed leftist Ponzi
Scheme played on the American people under the guise of social welfare in order to extract an additional stream of revenue from us. And borderline
criminally so ...There is a contractual case for fraud/theft to be made here by the American people against the US Government when this socialist
program eventually fails, as well. They basically set up a public company 50 years ago to dump (what have become) their low performing bonds into, and
we are the forced purchasers left with nothing more than a worthless I.O.U. piece of paper in our hands and the threat of a default on a payout
obligation later this month.

Make no mistake. This country is run like a large corporation. Like it or not, we are its investors. And the goal of any corporation is to make money
through any immoral means necessary. Social Security has been one way the government has achieved this on that front. And it has been at the expense
of the very investors it is soon to screw over. There are no bleeding hearts in the U.S. government, People. Politics are big business. They are a
lie. They tell you what you want to hear to buy their product. It's all propaganda. A sales job intended to extract as much money from you as it can.
Those who would label themselves Democrat or Republican are sheep. They are pawns of the teams they have divided this country into to perpetuate their
money making scheme. The phrase "divide and conquer" has never rung so true as it has this day.

This impending shutdown and SS freeze is not just on Republicans, despite what Obama would try and have his sucklings believe. This is a failure of an
entire increasingly more corrupt government over a period of 50 years, and is right there in black and white the pratfalls of big nanny state
government on its people ...And yes. That includes YOU Mr. Obama, who is implicit in holding the American people hostage right now over the same one
year Obamacare reprieve you passed out to your corporate overlords, despite the fact that it is not even close to being ready to foist upon us. To
solely blame one party or the other is to put your head in the sand as to what is really going on. The two-party system is a lie. (I'm running long
here, so I'll leave it to you all to trace the lines to figure it out)

SS is yet another example of a government program in which the initially "well-intended brainchild" it billed itself as has been compromised since by
a perceptually dysfunctional and inept government (or (cynically) is it running as smoothly today as ever?) and is leading us to potentially dire
financial and societal straits in the coming future. Quite frankly, contractually at the end of the day this is not Obama's or this federal
government's money to be holding hostage like this. This was billed as an independent trust fund the AMERICAN PEOPLE would pay into to finance their
retirement. Instead it has shown its true face as another pseudo tax revenue fund the Feds have repeatedly drawn from to near exhaustion at their and
this country's peril.

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