Over pass is 85$ mil... what they plan is around 25$ mil.... they would love to do overpass but is cost is major factor.....

How much is that cluster of a diverging diamond just up the road costing? That money could have gone a long ways to fixing a real problem. And before you mention accidents at that intersection, there are more and worse accidents involving the Holleman intersection. Heck, I even had my truck totaled as a result of the diverging diamond construction. But of course overpass doesn't sound near as progressive as "diverging diamond".

Over pass is 85$ mil... what they plan is around 25$ mil.... they would love to do overpass but is cost is major factor.....

your numbers are way off, but cost is the sole reason for not putting in an overpass. I'm not sure how much they even thought about an overpass as it was not an option in the detailed traffic analysis that looked at delay and safety. TxDOT and COCS screwed it up before (they should have grade separated Jones-Butler when they did the 2818 and Welborn work) and they are screwing it up again. There are issues along the whole corridor, the proposed plan will address them. They could have modified the proposed plan to allow for the grade separation at Holleman, and provided higher traffic flow and greater safety for only a few million more. They choose to not use funds effectively. There is so much money wasted by the agencies every year.

Over pass is 85$ mil... what they plan is around 25$ mil.... they would love to do overpass but is cost is major factor.....

your numbers are way off, but cost is the sole reason for not putting in an overpass. I'm not sure how much they even thought about an overpass as it was not an option in the detailed traffic analysis that looked at delay and safety. TxDOT and COCS screwed it up before (they should have grade separated Jones-Butler when they did the 2818 and Welborn work) and they are screwing it up again. There are issues along the whole corridor, the proposed plan will address them. They could have modified the proposed plan to allow for the grade separation at Holleman, and provided higher traffic flow and greater safety for only a few million more. They choose to not use funds effectively. There is so much money wasted by the agencies every year.

It's my understanding that effectively, in terms of long range planning, what they are about to start building with the 2818 widening are the frontage roads that will accommodate a freeway in the future down the middle of the road which will give us the overpasses. So while an overpass isn't immediately on the docket, it will be in the future and there will be minimum disruption and decent cost savings since they won't have to rip out very much old roadway if any at all.

I know I've posted this before but I'll do it again: TXDOT offered to front the cost of the overpass at Holleman and 2818 when the Wellborn interchange was built. COCS declined the offer. For sure the city would have been obligated to pay it back but the option was floated.

I know I've posted this before but I'll do it again: TXDOT offered to front the cost of the overpass at Holleman and 2818 when the Wellborn interchange was built. COCS declined the offer. For sure the city would have been obligated to pay it back but the option was floated.

Not the exact story I heard, but not far from it either. Either way its a mess that has caused significant delay and many accidents. The only way to fix it is to write the city and txdot.

Been saying forever that they need an overpass there. And there's no way it would cost $85 million. It's best to avoid that intersection like the plague during rush hours. Imagine putting a traffic light on Hwy 6. That's about what that intersection is like.

This is what should have been done 10 years ago when they did the wellborn interchange. Instead they chose to design holleman like they did, then a couple years later redesign the new section because it was insufficient, now they are talking about this after txdot came up with their 2818 redesign. When I had previously heard about this, I though it was a joke. You do not need a full intersection at holleman if jones butler gets used properly (there is already one grade separated lane there that is completely wasted).If cocs and the mpo can come up with 5mil now, which is 2x what they were asked to provide 10+ years ago and this new design will not be as good as what would have occured if all segments in the area were designed at the same time, then why the heck can they not work with txdot to fix the holleman situation? You would all cringe at the amount of money the mpo has, and what it gets spent on.

Here is an idea, how about a singular vision for our roadways where involved agencies work together! Instead we get the MPO wasting money doing a study and txdot and cocs redesigning the same damn areas.

Its ok, you can support poor decision making. You think its wasteful spending to make 2818 a freeway, I agree. It just needs a grade separation at holleman/jones butler and super street design along the rest of the segment for all I care. Do you think it is a good idea to be doing these two projects at the same time instead of doing one better project?