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Re: Granger To Resume Practice

Offenses almost always start slow at the beginning of a season. There are a few teams putting up a lot of points right now, but the execution starts getting better in late December/early January.

Look at how bad our offense was early last year. By playoff time it was one of the top two in the league. And our offense by default will be better this season with everyones' improvements and by replacing two of our worst offensive players.

In some cases it is a matter of offenses adjusting to defenses. In others, it is a matter of defenses slacking off somewhat during the long grind of the season. I think the Pacers' improvement last year was pretty much Roy working out of his injury so that we were able to establish an inside-out game, which isn't something you can count on offenses to do.

As far as Danny goes, this is just weird. I'm not an injury expert, but how will Danny ever play if he's shut down every time he experiences soreness?

For a soft tissue injury, soreness is an indication it isn't healed yet. They don't want the strain to get worse and force the kind of in-and-out that will cause comment (and be something like GHill's hip).

The whole thing has been weird. The dissonance between Danny saying "I'm fine, I'll play in a couple of days" and Frank simultaneously saying "this could be more serious than we thought" two weeks ago was strange.

Danny's talking from the perspective of having played on a strain before and that it would be no big deal. Frank is talking from the perspective of having everything totally healed before Danny moves forward.

At a certain level I think they are being a little too conservative. I think if it's an injury most players would tough out during a season, they should let Danny decide.

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

For a soft tissue injury, soreness is an indication it isn't healed yet. They don't want the strain to get worse and force the kind of in-and-out that will cause comment (and be something like GHill's hip).

Could be. Or it could just be typical soreness associated with phsyical activitiy after long periods of inactivity, which also can lead to soft tissue injuries if you keep pushing it. Which is probably what happened with his calf to begin with.

Whenever I go long periods without playing, and then play, my calves and quads are both usually really sore the next day. They feel like a big ball of knots.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

we're all way too deep into this lol. Before we know it we'll forget all this even happened where we were freaking out because he's back, in decent game shape, and contributing to the team's offense and defense! (I hope lol)

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Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I'm not sure they are better with him. Hear me out. Is there one shot you want him taking away from guys who are getting shots now? His team defense has always been average at best. He has a chance to help Paul not have to guard the big 3s as much, but for me thats it. At this point he's a new player to the mix that could possibly take away from the greater whole. I'm sure this isn't a popular opinion, but I feel like he might very well hurt the team, for sure in the short term if he comes back, possibly even beyond. I hope I'm wrong, but I am 1.) skeptical he'll play another game, but really not more than a handful. 2.) He even makes them better.

Think of it this way. When he plays somewhere else next year and he has to face PG, don't you think PG will absolutely kill him on both sides of the floor. I do.

I've said it before, I hope he comes back, get 10 pts and 20 mins a game allowing PG to not get beat up as much, but I really really doubt that's even possible at this point.

Answer to the coming question: No, not because of the soreness, but because of everything in his career to this point, makes me think this.

Answer to another coming question: He's an average team defender because he gets back doored cuz he's not paying attention, he gives up an offensive rebound because he's not paying attention, and he'll be out of position to help a few times a game.

3rd Answer: Not hating, I hope for the best for him, but moreso for the Pacers. I think this is just the reality of where we are right now. I'd rather have a role player, athlete aka Solomon Hill/OJ or a dynamic fearless playmaker aka Lance than 30 year old, 18 months off Danny at this point.

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Great inteview. I'll bet he's practicing again Thursday.
Sounds like he's still on schedule to return next week. I was hoping he could make a debut on sat. against the Bulls but maybe we'll see him Wed. at NY.

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Solomon and OJ.

I'm really baffled as to why you'd chose either one of them over Danny. For the sake of the argument, I'll concede the Lance or Danny starting discussion. Danny is 100x better offensively than either player. And even if he plays average defense, it's still an upgrade as to what OJ gives you. He plays good positional defense, but it makes Lance guard 3 so he's out of position, and Danny is a by far better rebounder. I get the argument for next season, due to salary cap ramificiations, but not this season.

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Seriously, if Danny is healthy do you not think he is better than those two? If he gets anywhere close to as good as he was prior to the injury he is better than Hill and West. You are acting like he is some bench player who was on a crappy enough team to get a starting spot, not the player who lead this team to two playoff appearances, and was a big reason why we pushed the Heat so hard in our first series against them. We are talking about a guy who has been a top 20 to 40 player in the NBA for most of his career. Not a slightly better version of Orlando Johnson.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

In some cases it is a matter of offenses adjusting to defenses. In others, it is a matter of defenses slacking off somewhat during the long grind of the season. I think the Pacers' improvement last year was pretty much Roy working out of his injury so that we were able to establish an inside-out game, which isn't something you can count on offenses to do.

For a soft tissue injury, soreness is an indication it isn't healed yet. They don't want the strain to get worse and force the kind of in-and-out that will cause comment (and be something like GHill's hip).

Danny's talking from the perspective of having played on a strain before and that it would be no big deal. Frank is talking from the perspective of having everything totally healed before Danny moves forward.

At a certain level I think they are being a little too conservative. I think if it's an injury most players would tough out during a season, they should let Danny decide.

Wilson Chandler is coming back today. He was out with a calf strain all the preseason until today, that's about 6 weeks. Danny had a grade 2 strain which takes 3 to 6 weeks to heal.

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Perceptions are going to be fluid from now through May, but at this point I feel like we have the offense to beat New York and/or Brooklyn, but it's going to be cutting it close with Chicago and Miami. With the Heat, we know Roy can put up above-average scoring performances, so there's that to consider, but Chicago may be the toughest opponent in terms of our ability to score.

Of course, the flip side to that is I think our defense will be more effective against Chicago than it will against Miami (because putting Paul George on Rose can really throw a wrench in their gears, whereas there is no way to stop LeBron).

It'll be very tough, but we're right there.

Anyone know if it were reported the Pacers practiced some zone defense during training camp. I don't see the Pacers going to it much but as you mentioned there is no way to stop LeBron (at times). Not really advocating it but the last time LeBron was stopped it was by Dallas and that was the trump card.

Tough news regarding Granger. Its starting to feel like Bob Sanders to me. I hope Granger can play around 80% this season. He deserves the chance to play for this team as a contender.