jahozer wrote:Not sure why everyone has problems with the qtron. I have used the min-Qtron and now a micro-Qtron. The mini was huge, and after about 5 years or so, it started loosing oomph, or thats what I thought anyway. I dunno, 5 years out of an 80 dollar pedal that sounds almost exactly a 3-600 one is pretty good for me.

I get what I think is dead on with it. It doesnt happen all the time, and the sweet spot between how hot my guitar signal vs. the drive setting on the pedal can be somewhat elusive, but thats endemic to the nature of envelope filters being dynamically controlled.

I opted for the mini and micro over the + because, I really dont want to tweak a bunch of settings during a gig. I dont really care if I dont get the reverse phase sound from Dancin 77.

Having gigged with it a few times now and having had the chance to dial it in in the context of the band, I really like the Hartman... much more so than the Emma, of which I was a devout worshiper. Much more organic and touch sensitive; very happy with it!

jmfranc wrote:Don't mean to spam but I won this Hartman Envelope pedal from a charity auction. I will not be using it and I've never even plugged it in. Buy it now for $225 - it's less than than the charity auction final and much less than retail. Here's the listing:

jmfranc wrote:Don't mean to spam but I won this Hartman Envelope pedal from a charity auction. I will not be using it and I've never even plugged it in. Buy it now for $225 - it's less than than the charity auction final and much less than retail. Here's the listing:

Hey just got the hartman envelope filter (AWESOME birthday present) a few days ago and have had some time to tweak the knobs a bit. This thing is awesome!

I've tried a few envelope filters to get an idea on what to expect and here is my opinion on it:Envelope filters are (like most pedals) instruments in themselves. They require practice and discipline and you get better at them the longer you play with them. It gets tricky when you have a pre-conceived expectation for what the pedal should sound like. My knowledge of jerry's mutron sound made me incredibly picky when it came to which envelope filter i wanted to invest in. I wanted to sound just like him. I tried the q-tron mini, the q-tron plus, the AF-9, and even a bass envelope filter, and each of these pedals did a great job at what they did...but for me they either got one tone right but not the other or came kinda close... Its also important to note that jerry's tone came from the envelope filter partly, but was primarily his style/attack/sensitivity/guitar/pickups/amp/equalizer settings/volume..all of which can effect (no pun intended) the pedal's sound.

With all that in mind..the hartman is the closest thing i can hear to mimicking the sounds of the mutron, when I play it.

In the next few days i plan on trying to make a demo video for all of ya... there isn't much out there for the pedal as far as demos go..Mr. Paul