Not a JDate ad, a new “minority classification” at the City University of New York, and some who prefer to stick with preexisting minority classifications are not happy:

Touting a move to make its faculty more diverse, CUNY administrators have broken out Jews into a separate minority group: “White/Jewish.” …

“This is, as far as I know, the first time a religion has been introduced into any affirmative-action document,” said David Gordon, a history professor at Bronx Community College and the Graduate Center. “What would the response be to a category ‘White/Methodist?’ Silly? Irrelevant?”

“It’s an insult and idiotic,” said Hershey Friedman, deputy chairman of the Finance and Business Management Department at Brooklyn College. “Most Jews are brown-skinned. We also have black Jews and Asian Jews. Once you mix religion with race you’re opening a Pandora’s box — and you look stupid.” …

The new White/Jewish category is discussed in a report on CUNY’s Diversity Action Plan, issued last month by CUNY Chancellor Matthew Goldstein. The plan is aimed at boosting the recruitment and inclusion of minorities.

A steering committee led by Joyce Moy, director of CUNY’s Asian Research Institute, ran faculty focus groups based on “identity.” The groups included “African-American/black, Asian, White/Jewish, Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual/Transgender, Hispanic/Latino, Individuals with disabilities, and Italian-American.”

“White,” said a Jewish professor at Kingsborough Community College, “is in every way a detriment to be categorized because of the push to hire minorities.”

How is it any different from African-American?

True story. We had a student live with us who had a South African mother and an American father. She grew up in South Africa, but had dual passports. She was African-American. And as pale white as Elizabeth Warren.

I’m a black man originally from the Dominican Republic; last week I was at a hospital in Baltimore, MD (I’m a new father) and a official came up with some forms that I had to fill; she asked me questions about my ethnicity (“Are you hispanic/latino?”), to which I answered yes and then the next question was about my race to which I responded “black”. She gave me this weird look and told me that her computer does not allow that selection when you select “hispanic” as your ethnicity. She told me that in race she will have to select “other” and manually input “black/hispanic”… and so a new category is added to the American melting pot…

You are dead right about “new categories” being defined in America, by the government no less. If you look at the US Census exerpt document I cited, notice how far off kilter the “race” section has become. For example: just how, is a Korean a different “race” than a Japanese or Chinese?

Adding “white/Jewish” is just another layer of ignorance, no doubt soon to be adopted by government, too. There’s a dangerous precedent for that … for marking any group by race & religion for that matter. What is next, yellow Magen David patches for “white/Jews” to wear? Perhaps some yellow crosses for “white/Catholics” to wear? Maybe a yellow “X” for “white/African-Americans” (as cited by the Prof) to wear?

The next time I’m given one of these forms to fill out I intend to check “other” and fill in “Homo Erectus” for my race.

“It’s an insult and idiotic,” said Hershey Friedman, deputy chairman of the Finance and Business Management Department at Brooklyn College. “Most Jews are brown-skinned. We also have black Jews and Asian Jews. Once you mix religion with race you’re opening a Pandora’s box — and you look stupid.”

Damn sure!

You know CUNY, is just a few letters away, from something Maggot Maher would say..

The alternative is that, if it isn’t already, it will become entrenched like Jim Crow. It’s part of the spoils system that holds the leftist coalition together. Actions like CUNY’s help force a resolution one way or another. Let’s see if the Left finds yet another excuse to dodge the issue.

2. Imagine the shrieks of antisemitism if a conservative institution had done this.

3. Upscale Jewish liberals, the kind who “live like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans”, have been supping with the collectivist devil for longer than a reasonable person can excuse. I have no sympathy if their chickens come home to roost (which remains to be seen).

All of this could be solved if only someone had “a dream that [his] four little children [could] one day[*] live in a nation where they [would] not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

But where could we ever find such a dreamer?

*For certain that “one day” will never arrive so long as liberals/leftists occupy themselves in their foolish and vain attempts of coming up with ways of “making life better.”

lt is incomprehesible to me. How black americans , 150 years out of slavery , 50 years out of jim crow- segregation , have been 90+% hell bent on putting themselves along with the rest of us into servitude to a central authority. Since they started down this path 50 years ago the results have told a story of increasing destruction. This last , but 1st black overlord . is being the most devastating overlord for them of all. Yet in a few months they will overwhelmingly vote for him again. l just dont get it.

It’s rather ironic that American Jews, most of whom descend from people who fled anti-Semitism in Russian Empire, which included quotas, are so eager to embrace affirmative action.
I knew a young woman from Botswana who had Dutch ancestry and considered herself African American.

Recently, it has come to my attention that City University of New York (CUNY) has added a minority category of White/Jewish. I’m wondering whether if I might qualify. The last that I looked in a mirror I seem to qualify “White,” although it’s uncertain what proof might actually be required of me because I am male. Also, I have read the Torah, although not in Hebrew. Do you think this is a problem? If not, could I qualify as “Jewish”? I would appreciate a reply at your earliest convenience. Hey, good luck with that whole Cherokee thing. You’re truly an inspiration. Yours,

“This is, as far as I know, the first time a religion has been introduced into any affirmative-action document,” said David Gordon, a history professor at Bronx Community College and the Graduate Center.”

What part of “WASP” doesn’t he understand? Does he KNOW what the “P” stood for?

When I was at the University of Washington (1990s), that was the only ‘white’ choice available… there wasn’t a ‘white Catholic’ option. I chose “Other/Scandinavian”.

Incidentally, they were pleased with that: It meant one more ‘minority’ they could count. I was told that their Federal Aid was directly tied to the number of ‘Minorities’ they reported. It was all supposed to be confidential, so we were encouraged to check one of the ‘minority’ boxes so the School would get more money, and they could ‘keep tuition down’.

Maybe… just maybe… Mrs. Warren was actually trying to do something altruistic with her claims of being an Ancient American or whatever the Great Minds have decided we are supposed to refer to them as.

Unless of course you’re not Bohemian like me and are instead Moravian or some other, lesser, Czech variant. In which case you must become my mortal enemy.

I see…

So the Czechs, not content to have the Slovaks leave their confederation, are now trying to tick the Moravians off as well?

Other Slavonic populations behave the same way.

In contrast, twenty years ago some observers described West Germany’s acceptance of impoverished East Germany as economically ruinous. The Germans took the bull by the horns, and once again they are the dominant state in Europe.

During the SCOTUS hearing on the Univ of Michigan quota system (I forget how many years ago) there was a brief that the original entrance criteria for quotas (before they were illegal) for Harvard Law School was put in place to screen out too many overachieving New York Jews.

Harvard, likely the other Ivies as well, did the same to Catholics. For a little history on this as it related to Boston College (which rumor has it was once a Catholic school; fortunately those in charge of its present form have pledged allegiance to political correctness and have done their best to shake off such shameful history), see this article,http://bcm.bc.edu/issues/winter_2012/features/class-warfare.html

I grew up in a large farm family (the “chicken farming Jews”, immigrants, in upstate New York.) As a kid, my father dreamed of going to Cornell, but when he finished high school, he didn’t make the cut under the Jewish quota system.

He never got over the disappointment, and he never did go to college. We grew up on this story, and as kids had it hammered into us to study hard, how wonderful that “times had changed”. Most of my sibs in fact did end up going to Cornell on free rides with full academic scholarships, four of them through professional degrees. (The eldest grandchild also became a Cornell valedictorian, sort of ending the Cornell enthusiasm for the rest of this generation. They picked other universities. :-))

But the point is, we all internalized the idea as a value that hard work and achievement will be rewarded, and I guess with that a loathing and fear of quota systems. For affirmative action, supposedly to thwart entrenched subtle advantages of legacy and white maleness, a generation or two of “catch up” should have been sufficient. We’re now into the third generation. Diversity goals were to have been a means, not an end. Enough.

Years ago I had a colleague at major U of “x” who was from Italy and had a name which could be interpreted as Spanish. His wife got back something or other classifying her as “Hispanic.” She was born German, and raised in Germany, blonder than Lizzie Warren.

Since my relatives could have been Vikings hundreds of years ago, is it possible I am part Turkish, or No. African, or Indian (some got to Newfoundland) or Arab, or… I want my privileges too.

This is weird on a number of levels, including the professors’ apparent ignorance that Jews are indeed a race. Not all Jews with an identifiable and traceable gene practice Judaism, and of course many (converted) practicing Jews don’t have the gene. But all those with the gene are deemed “Jewish.” Together, you end up with somewhere in the neighborhood, worldwide, of 13 million Jews–less than two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population.

I agree wholeheartedly that affirmative action based on any criterion with the possible (and defensible) exception of African Americans is silly. Which is what makes the Lizzie Warren saga so amusing. But by the rules established and currently in operation, there’s no reasonable argument for excluding Jews.

Why is discrimination to offer advantage to Blacks justified? There were Blacks who were slavers, including members of Obama’s ancestral tribe (Luo). There were Whites who were slaves. Why the arbitrary distinction between one slave and another? How can it be reasonably justified to recognize discrimination against Blacks but not Whites? It is not defensible at all. If we follow this standard, then we are all tainted by the sins of our ancestors, including American Indians, Muslims, etc.

The rules established and currently in operation must be rejected, ironically, with prejudice.

Only a tiny part of me believes that you believe what you just wrote (and that you aren’t being sarcastic in ways that I adore). So to that minuscule part, I’ll say only that Muslims aren’t a race–and that Muslim Arabs are notorious for discriminating against, and murdering, Christian Arabs. Now what?

What’s your point? Do you assign or presume guilt of individuals or of classes? Do you believe that the sins of the father are conferred on the son? Do you respect individual dignity and what compromises do you accept to accommodate billions of individuals each with a unique dignity? What principles guide your ideology?

For the example you cited, upon proof, you hold the individuals accountable. If it is murder, then then murderer is put to death. However, we do not presume guilt. Even in war, there is an effort made to distinguish between individuals in the field.

“I agree wholeheartedly that affirmative action based on any criterion with the possible (and defensible) exception of African Americans is silly. Which is what makes the Lizzie Warren saga so amusing.”

Jim Crow lasted more than a century after the Civil War, as did covenants in the North. It’s a defensible argument for American blacks. Defensible isn’t necessarily the same as being right.

I do not consider denigration of individual dignity to be a defensible proposition. It is, however, lucrative in both economic and political terms. There is a better way to handle exceptional discrimination, and it is not through the establishment or perpetuation of institutional discrimination. The current policies and programs serve to perpetuate prejudice with the presumption of guilt. This is or should be unacceptable.

It’s not “political correctness”. It is more correct to describe it as progressive corruption… of individuals and society. It is a fundamental corruption, which threatens the viability of a society and humanity.

Jews have suffered terrible discrimination throughout history and deserve special consideration for school admission and jobs in America, although they have become too successful in recent times and shouldn’t receive as many diversity points as white Hispanics, for example, who, in turn, deserve fewer than brown Hispanics.

Black Jews are mostly stigmatized for their skin color and so are already given racial preference. Asian Jews have too many advantages and probably shouldn’t take minority slots away from the black and white Jews.

One of the reasons for considering white Jews a minority group is that it paves the way for us to finally recognize Arab-Americans as a people who experience terrible prejudice and unequal opportunity. The Chamber of Commerce is now considering such a move that would help Arab businessmen have a well-deserved hand up over regular white/white non-Jew Americans.

Best, though, is that white/ Jew recognition will lead to white/ Muslim becoming an official minority. They have endured terrible prejudice in America, especially since 9-11, and deserve preferential placement on campus and in government offices.

Affirmative action, quotas and preferences are needed until America is truly diverse and minorities may, one day, enjoy majority standing.

So, you reject individual dignity? As you perceive individuals to form a collective through arbitrary classifications, do you also recognize that Muslims and Arabs enslaved Europeans, Africans, Indians, etc. by the millions? That they failed in their genocidal ambitions only by virtue of Europeans and other populations joining together and rejecting Islamic tyranny? Shouldn’t everyone be held equally accountable for the sins of their ancestors? Perhaps Muslims and Arabs deserve a special designation as they continue in their old ways of murder, rape, torture, and enslavement of whole populations.

That takes us deeper into mixing ethnicity and religion to arrive at “aggrieved minorities”. What next, white/Jehovah’s Witnesses, Hispanic/Jehovah’s Witnesses, black/Jehovah’s Witnesses, Asian/Jehovah’s Witnesses, ‘other’/Jehovah’s Witnesses… I maintain that there are fewer J-Dubs than Muslims, and they may be just as reviled. Recall that Hitler went after them early on, along with the Jews and Gypsies.

And much of the Islamists’ wounds are self-inflicted by their ideology. Of the 50-60 wars/conflicts in the world all but a handful involve Muslims’ inability to get along with their neighbors and fellow citizens.

You are correct regarding the bulk of Muslim grievances … they are self inflicted. I’ve said as much in my comments following this one. I live in a Muslim community and can confidently assert that they discriminate amongst each other more than anyone else. Put a bunch of Iraqis, Lebanese, Yemeni,and sundry Palestinian Arabs in a room together and you have the ingredients for instant fist fight. It’s kind of like Italians, Irish, and Puerto Ricans … 🙂

The ignorance you display is outright astounding. Just what is your experience in the American Muslim, ne’ “white/Muslim” community? I suspect your opinion is academic. Mine is based upon living, for over 25 years, in the largest concentration of American Muslims in the United States. My “hood” is about 90% Shiite at the moment. May I tell you that you are full of crap about massive discrimination against Muslims? CAIR, who you sound like you read up on, is a political agenda outfit that represents almost no ordinary Muslims, here or anywhere else … anymore than Jesse and Al represent regular black folks.

Don’t you think it telling that you worked in “Shiite” and “crap” in the same sentence?

And per your self-description and photo in the comment below, I should think you’d qualify for official disability preference as the most hirsute Irish Catholic ever to type gibberish on a keyboard.

Muslims are treated worse than Catholics because no one has a problem with tradition-bound RC women covering their heads for church, but when Muslim women are modestly clothed according to their beliefs, the Christianist police want to force them to expose their heads for “identification.” purposes.

Reading is not your strong point I see. “Crap” and “Shiite” are not in the same sentence. A period usually defines the end of a sentence. There is a period between the two statements you cite…the second being an interrogatory.

And you did not answer the first question. What are you sources for your assertions? Things you’ve read or things you’ve lived?

Where in the United States are “Christianist police” demanding hijab be removed? Or are you referring to the niqab. Do you know the difference?

The photo you refer to …. is that my avatar, which is a picture of one of my German Shepherds, from a Jewish breeder. Yep, odd I am, Irish, Catholic leaning, dude with a Jewish bred dog, (and another Czech bred), living in a Arab Muslim neighbor hood …and liking it. I have no problems, my neighbors have no problems. You seem to have the problem.

First, I stand corrected: Same line. We OK now? But, my, you’re pretty out of sorts over periods.

Second, you are being corrected: I do not make assertions which, like your assumptions, would make an ass out of you, me and the historical record. I deal in fact, whereas it is your side that is not reality-based.

Third: This country was founded on and forged by Christianity, and the fact of some early Deist founding fathers doesn’t change the Cristo-theological bent of American culture ever since. The police are coercive functionaries of the de facto Judeo-Christian State, and they are notorious for discriminating against minorities. Even the black and hispanic police do profiling (as do neighborhood white hispanic watchmen/ murderers.)

Fourth: Devout Muslim women have not only been forced to remove their veils but their entire hijabs for body searches. In prison, they are forced to wear western man-like garb and only through lawsuits are allowed to wear their headscarves/ niqabs. The system is not multiculturally sensitive, because it is was designed by white Christianists.

“Fifth”: You must be drinking one, or maybe having to take it in court under oath. You haven’t convinced anyone of your multiculti bonafides by invoking dangerous fascist animals, privileged ancestors, and neighbors whose racial and religious plight you apparently refuse to recognize and make amends for.

FTS … you’ve not answered my question regarding your bona fides, but wish to challenge mine? You say I am “being corrected’ but offer no evidence to support your correction. So be it. Your argument is so cliché’ it is amusing. As I’ve said, I live my positions, you either read yours, or imagine them.

I do believe you are a freshman college student with one cultural anthropology course under your belt.

Yours very truly,

Aridog: A coercive functionary of the de facto Judeo-Christian State,and proud of it.

BTW … I am of Irish descent, and Catholic orientation…only slightly whiter than Lizzy Warren….and I like living here, do not intend to move. I find your conclusion that diversity isn’t achieved until a minority achieves majority standing amusing. It’s your “tell” … do you want to tell us what “majority standing ” means to you?

To all good people with common sense, logic, reason, etc, of course this is stupid, crazy, idiotic, etc.. but to the liberals, this is standard normal rationale theory and strategic tactics of divide and conquer put into practice and execution, which is what liberal race, gender, and class warfare is all about, their agenda.

Whom do liberals consider their enemy, white religious conservatives, so they they target people into selected groups and categories to purposely divide them by their race, ethnicity, creed, color, gender, and combined with their religious affiliation, makes it even more distinct in who and what they are, and is how people can be targeted out and labeled for specific prejudice, bias, coercion, intimidation, etc., just like Hitler and the Nazi’s did with the Jews..

This all part of their strategy that must essentially be sanctioned by authority, specifically govt. authority, to make it legitimate and normal in practice.

Distinct separation of people into categories and subcategories for human identification is what they politically want.. ie; separating and labeling their political targets.

If anyone thinks this is just a passing error in judgement, or political correctness gone wild, are seriously naive, mistaken, or are part of the plan and people actively who implement that plan.

The only way for it to stop, is for the conservative politicians and overwhelming mass of people to rise up and demand this practice be abolished, as well as being against the law.

The People / the Majority of the populace, had better wake up and realize they are at war with a ruthless and radical subversive element in the nation, or it will be too late by the time they do, if they do. just like the innocent people of Europe in the early 20t century found out too late.

They are opportunistic. It is notable that the people who advocate and defend these schemes recognize their individual dignity before all others. They know how to manipulate people in order to induce prejudice. They thrive on commission of emotional extortion. Perhaps they learned something from the German socialists’ experiments. I wouldn’t doubt that was the motivation for their degenerate methods and policies.

Their policies sponsor progressive corruption of individuals, society, and humanity. It is a fundamental corruption which they justify through a selective recall of history, science, and reality. Unfortunately, a large minority which dreams of instant gratification willingly supports this process, and too many others have been cowed into submission.

“Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man is entering the starting line in a race 300 years after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up with his fellow runner.”

Vis a vis time of entering the race, etc… should we presume the author of the quote does not believe in out of Africa evolution in any way? Can we assume that after the 300 years that the aggrieved will have caught up and then be done with all this nonsense? Or 600 years? Or ever?

It boils down to a simpler concept, equal opportunity. That is what we must assure, regardless of race, ethnicity or religion. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcomes. I have a lot in common with Kanye West, (piggy attitude and lousy voice) but he’s far richer than I am. We’ve both had equal opportunity. When do I get to catch up?

Let’s see, kids I know personally:
Two red headed, freckled 1/8 Native Americans (tribal memberships) who went to expensive private school from kindergarten on, whose father is a partner at a major US law firm, making well over 1 million a year. (Duke)

One lily-white 1/2 Hispanic whose father’s family were German Jews who immigrated to Mexico before WWII- educated at private school K-12- father is respected doctor. (NYU)

One lily-white 1/2 Hispanic who never used father’s Latino surname (divorced parents) until she began taking SATs. (Princeton)

Two 1/8 Native American (tribal membership) blond and blue eyed (whiter than Elizabeth Warren), private schools, heirs to oil company and football team. (Vanderbilt)

One Hispanic whose father is of Russian Jewish descent, owns apartments in Paris, spends a month at Hotel du Cap in summer.