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Should I vote for Jill, or should I write-in Bernie and why?

TL;DR: I think the new Bernie write-in campaign is CTR propaganda meant to take away votes from Jill and wish that people voting outside the two parties pay closer attention to their options and critically evaluate their decision.

Now for some background and wall of text on why I want people to debate this. The Evan McMullin story (where was it hiding all this time?) and the Bernie write-in campaign coming from "quiet insiders" is CTR's most recent form of damage control on the third party front.

If you look at all the actual articles about the new Bernie write-in campaign, you'll catch a whiff of someone having asked CTR to "use Bernie math against the Berners". They'll often be coming from new accounts freshly prepped/bought for shilling gaining random karma points ready to post these articles and defend them. These accounts will often use very similar-sounding (but flawed) arguments and language as us.

In fact, many Vermont residents say that they are already planning on writing Bernie in.

I could not verify this from 538.

Believe it or not Bernie Sanders is actually the lesser of three evils in some Republican eyes.

They don't give a shit beyond his role as a Hillary spoiler. To Republicans he looks like how the Westboro Baptist guy looks to us.

Have You Asked Bernie About This?

Due to Bernie Sanders’ current positioning with the Democratic Party (basically he is supporting Clinton in return for her endorsement of his Progressive agenda) Bernie is unable to endorse anything that would interfere with a Clinton Presidency.

We will have to be like Bernie.

Independent.

CTR: we're turning Jane's don't-listen-to-me tweet on its head and aiming it right back at you.

Our Bernie write-in campaign in no way hinders Jill’s progress.

CTR basically saying: hey, if Jill is not a spoiler to Dems, Bernie write-in is not a spoiler to Jill.

A historic percentage for the Greens can be very bad for business for the Dems and will make it harder for them to dismiss progressives as a powerless minority. Look at it from their perspective: dog and cat fights between Dem and Repub are par for the course, always have been. An actual grassroots third party is the bigger long-term threat, and the Dems really wouldn't want the Greens to do what the Libertarians did to the Republicans. With Gary Johnson bombing his TV appearances, Jill is probably in a better place right now than ever and it totally makes sense for them to do this.

I do appreciate the irony of my statement in that it sounds a lot like the old Nader argument, but I hope people can recognize that there are major differences between this and that. Bernie doesn't have an organized write-in campaign. He's not saying he's running for the seat. He's not running, like, at all. He can be voted for in 7 states, and Jill can be voted for in 47 states. For all intents and purposes, writing him in is literally throwing your vote away. It's a vote, not a greeting card. Be like Bernie: he'd do the right thing, not the most emotionally satisfying thing.

If you want Bernie's policies enough to write in Bernie, give your vote to Jill Stein. As the Green party swells in numbers, support, and influence, it will likely manifest as what is effectively the Bernie Party. Or really, it already is when you consider the things Ralph Nader has been saying all along.

I'm really fucking tired of people who have the gall to tell others how they should vote and that if they don't vote the way the poster thinks they should vote that they're throwing their vote away. I've heard it from the Democratic establishment for the past dozen years and I don't want to hear it from people who ought to know better.

B - Voting for Stein sends a message that we reject the duopoly AND about the kind of policies we want.
B - Voting for Bernie sends a message that we reject the duopoly AND about the kind of policies we want.

C - Stein has virtually no chance of actually winning - this is about sending that message.
C - Bernie has virtually no chance of actually winning - this is about sending that message.

D - Voting for Stein brings the Green Party closer to getting federal funding, name recognition, and easier ballot access in future elections.
D - Voting for Bernie has no useful benefits for any party or future candidate whatsoever, and would spoil the Green Party for no benefit to us.

It's not actually the case bernie can be voted for in those 7 states. you can write his name in, but because he is not running for president and you aren't allowed to draft someone, your vote is exactly the same as writing in mickey mouse. the no requirement write in states are for the convenience of the candadiate not the voter.

in VT jill is polling at 10%. if you live in VT, you still fucking have bernie as your senator, wasting your vote for president when it could do good, is worse than voting for clinton or trump. it's petulant obstinacy. anyone who thinks otherwise is selfish or foolish or both.

I'm in OR, used to live in VT, love Bernie--voting Stein. I see no point, absolutely none, in writing in Sanders even where it's counted (except in VT, symbolically, perhaps) when a vote for Stein can increase credibility of 3rd parties and secure federal funds. It's a shot across the bow of the duopoly. The major parties will barely notice, but we have little else available to us anymore.

if bernie as a write in is not an option thats counted in your state vote for Jill but make fucking certain OGGIE that JILL'S votes are counted and not stolen via electronic fraud for HILL dead weight dead personage Clintooon

This. We need to be protesting the rampant corruption of our government. There is no question that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Department of Justice, and President of the United States are all complicit in working against the will of the people to install a corporate approved monster into the oval office.

We need to be taking to the streets and demanding our civil servants do their jobs working for the people.

Remember, never let your rights be trampled for fear of what might come. This is how despots rule.

no we cannot have wwiii and that is what hillary totally represents more than any of the others.....

i just have always liked bernie and i thought he was very brave to step forward and when you think about everything he has helped to expose .... it really makes you so sad that our choice and the person who won is being totally denied i say time for all these denying rat fuckers to move out of our way...

chicky I am simpatico with you almost always but I have to disagree on this issue. Bernie threw in the towel at the convention. Whatever went on behind the scenes happened and he decided to stop the fight. A vote for him as a write in will not get counted in most states because those ballots are treated as provisional ballots. So really the dow-ballot choices also get discarded. We need to get a viable third party going to break the stranglehold of the 2 party system on our elections. A third party vote is a better use for our votes IMO.

I'm not sure about Jill. Money could be a big issue. I assume it's pretty expensive to do a national poll. All their money was used fighting to get on the ballot in 50 states with all the barrier thrown in their way. That's why voting third party is so important so that they can cross that threshold and get federal funding.

My Stein vote is a long-game play to try to get the Greens over 5%. The powers that be see the Greens as a long term threat, thus the "write in Bernie!" campaign to siphon off as many Green votes as possible. Love Bermie, but he is done- so supporting the Greens for future elections, even if Stein goes nowhere. But your mileage may vary.

if you are reading msm you are reading their set-up lies and polls....
check their demographics asking folks over sixty is not gonna cut it and this is the set up for the electronic stealing they are planning for 11/8 read how they play their game

Chicky, you know I respect you a lot, so, truly with all due respect, I disagree. A write-in vote for Bernie is emotionally uplifting but doesn't get anything done. It's a ~0.1% shot. A vote for Jill is a vote for Bernie's agenda, and will get something done even if she doesn't win. It's a ~1% shot with an added bonus.

there is a path to victory [with ever the most respect i have for anyone here on reddit you know that ]with oregon and / or vermont writing in bernie and ruining the ellectoral college and forcing a vote in the house if we apply the right pressure hell BERNIE could be the outcome.....47 states out of 49 should continue to vote for JILL

Lets fuck them over on two fronts i say ... with all duest repect to you Ma Oggs

in NYC i am certain to vote green straight ticket same as i DID the very last time i voted FOR HOWIE HAWKINS ok and not the fuckhead rat fucker A MIA CUOMO worst governor EVER~

I see your point, but I think that in practice it might spread us too thin.

In the highly unlikely event that the race ends up being really tight between all 4 candidates, those two states have a possibility of going 50+% Jill and could be the margin that can decide her victory.

If neither candidate reaches the threshold and the Repub-controlled House has to decide, yes, you're right Bernie will possibly be in the theoretical running again. But there's absolutely no way the Republicans are going to let Bernie through. They've got a pillar of their party's ideology to defend, and that pledge with Grover Nyquist. They hate the S-word with a passion, and unlike the Dems, they don't sell out on their ideology. Jill has a slightly higher chance than him of getting Republican approval because of the lack of Socialist ties, but both have a nearly zero chance.

if we apply the right pressure and the house votes bernie the DEMS are sooo screwed for the next 50 years . think about dead dead dead [as dead as the dead weight they are dragging and the finish line gets further and further away her polls are terrible if they are not paid to say better!!!! [;0 i like jill i think she should do her own polling i think we should be putting a strategy together RIGHT NOW to make certain we have our own exit polling in place so 11/ 8 they cant denigrate

if we apply the right pressure and the house votes bernie the DEMS are sooo screwed for the next 50 years .

They would be just as screwed if it's Jill, she would act on what Bernie proposes from the senate floor, and, like you said, she is now polling much better and has a chance of actually defeating Hill than a write-in Bernie at this point.

Him actually winning the state of Vermont by write-ins is nearly impossible, given the election fraud and ease of dismissing write-ins and given that his demographic is going to split between Hillary, Jill and the others.

make certain we have our own exit polling in place so 11/ 8 they cant denigrate