I'm not up to date with the effect of soy to the body (actually I hardly read anything about food), I just know that it's a "good" source of protein but also contain phytoestrogens (or something) which some people say isn't good for males if consumed beyond certain amount.

Because I'm too lazy to find and read articles about soy, I'd like to listen what your opinions are about eating soy instead Because I also like how it taste, I'm starting to eat approximately a handful (dry/uncooked) of soy each day. Do you think that I'm gonna start to develop man boobs?

The most recent evidence is overturning the anti-soy studies. So it looks like it's ok. It's technically a complete source of protein by one definition of that. However the ratios are a little off, so in another way it's not. However combining it with other incomplete proteins works. Of course having meat along with it does the trick too.

Here in China, shops sell fresh warm soy milk by the bowl to girls who drink it every day for breakfast hoping and praying that their flat little chests will develop into something impressive. Soy far it does not appear to be working.

Soy is estrogenic, as are a lot of things in the environment like plastic (BPA is the obvious culprit), hormones in commercial meat and dairy, pesticides, some skin products, excess omega 6 and alcohol. Estrogen has a lot of negative consequences like muscle wasting and fat gain, enlarged prostate, some cancers, etc.

If you have studies that contradict this, follow the money.

Bam, estrogen can cause early puberty in girls. I think if they're meant to have a flat chest, they'll just get there earlier..

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

_________________Stu Ward_________________Let thy food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food.~HippocratesStrength is the adaptation that leads to all other adaptations that you really care about - Charles Staley_________________Thanks TimD

By the way... if commercial didn't grow their plants they way they do now (commercially - hydroponics, fertilizer rich, insecticide filmed, etc.) most of the plantable (organically grown) land today would be barren of nutrients within a few years in order to maintain the worlds demand on food. I don't see much wrong with commercially grown anything... meat/veggies/whatever these days. hehe

Not sure, read it somewhere. Can't remember the source. It makes sense though. Our world is so massively populated, we'd have a hard time supporting our entire world population for too long doing all organically grown foods. One can only cycle their plants that use a different set of nutrients from the ground before the cycle just runs into it's a$$ end. At some point in time, someone would have to fertilize to replenish the soil, then insecticide for the obvious reasons, then back to all commercialized again.

most of the plantable (organically grown) land today would be barren of nutrients within a few years in order to maintain the worlds demand on food.

Where'd you get that idea? the fertilizer/insecticide corporations?

It's hard to sort out.

The Amish use no heavy machinery, they rotate crops, let fields lie fallow and are not in it for the money, produce at a surplus and they continue to buy up land across the American Midwest.

Agribusiness is in it for the money, so they prefer heavy equipment over laborers (where possible for stuff like corn and wheat), the fertilizer, irrigation and pesticides are there to minimize chance and acts of nature, to make the profits predictable.

So could the Amish style feed the world? Funny thing is, for all of the talk of Agribusiness of the absolute necessity of their methods and the tremendous benefit to a "hungry planet", they produce enough to feed the world but plenty of people are starving. How does that work?

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Bam, estrogen can cause early puberty in girls. I think if they're meant to have a flat chest, they'll just get there earlier..

When I say girls, I mean 20+ y.o. Chinese females -- which by American standards -- emotionally, physically -- they're about 15 y.o. I know this isn't conclusive evidence, but it just seems strange -- I would've expected to see an increase in females maturing at a younger age in China where the consumption of soy is comparatively high. I've been here for over 10 years.

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