Energy Solutions THEY don't want you to know about

Originally posted by Freezer
Unless the inventor develops their device in total secrecy, and then fully and freely discloses the building plans across the internet, it will never
happen.

Okay. Let's do that. I'm in the process of reclaiming my garage. Henceforth, it shall be known as the Factory. It shall be used to investigate
alternative energy technologies from the point of view of someone who loves energy, but has no engineering or physical science background beyond high
school and extracurricular physics readings.

I see my lack of established training as a plus in this area. No limits!!

Doesn't matter. They can seize your materials under the presumption that it is either a meth lab (or something similar) or it is terrorist
activity.

Matter of fact, when you get close enough to release anything, you likely will be swept up in a black van, and the nightly news will talk about
"homegrown terrorist" plots that were thwarted by "local authorities".

Just because free energy systems have been attempted to be built and failed, doesn't mean their impossible to build. Anyone ever stop to think that
to achieve something like free energy it would take more than a couple tries to build it, and even a different approach maybe?

My guess is that just like 9/11, they've someone managed to brainwash some really smart people by giving you fake "tests" and "evidence" of these
things not being able to work.

Originally posted by nightbringr
Each and every one of these devices has been debunked.

A good start for understanding why they will not work would be the wikipedia entries on perpetual motion machines, and water fueled cars. Perpetual
motion defies the very laws of physics, and converting water to hydrogen and oxygen, as needed to power hydrogen cars uses more power then is released
in the process.

That kind of mind set will keep you hearded in with the sheeple. I think you may be repeating something you have heard. I know that some of the
concepts presented are plausible and achievable if the right minds were to cooperate.

I know for a fact HHO generators increase fuel mileage significantly why they do not incorporate them on all new cars is a travesty. I made it work
for my truck so there really is no excuse for car companies.

I cannot testify to zero point energy but there are hundreds if not thousands of viable ways to make energy cheaper, cars more efficient, and ways to
create sustainable renewable energy.

They have their second "Release of Technology" meeting for political leaders from anywhere in the world to attend and see the technology for
themselves.

are holding their 2nd international presentation "The world peace invitation and release of technology"
(www.keshefoundation.org...) on September 6th to which only
political leaders from all over the world are invited to learn about the tech and what it could do for their countries. They have one open to the
public on the 21st of September.

Google Middle TN State U builds a car that runs on Hydrogen. A professor Ricketts built a car that was designed to crack water into H2 and O2 using
solar panels. This can be done "on demand" yet only a company in Tokyo is building it and that was 20 plus years after the MTSU car. The EPA knows
about it too as I personally told them at a huge conference where my peers hopped up and blasted them for not helping to get it into production.
HYPOCRITICAL A holes are what the man made global warmers are who do know the truth about alternative engines and fuels.

I agree that we are 1000 times more advanced. Anything that we have now has been achieved since the early ages. People now and days are some what
opening there eyes. But one major thing I would like to point out is these pyramids and how they were used to power the cities. If they did it then,
then we can damn sure bet that they can do it now and even better. The only thing we can do is hope that it comes out peacefully and not in kaos.

I'm such a sceptic with these kind of things I'd need to see the science around it rather than just a bunch of people "using cars that run on
water."

Another thing is that any car that runs on any non-renewable energy source (even one that we have tons of -- on a global scale) like water is a bad
idea in my opinion. Electric based cars are the vehicles of the future as far as I can see.

And to think more about it the water can be separated using frequency. I believed the guy who built the castle out of stone was a frequency master as
well as the guy who built the car that is fueled by water. If you can get the right frequency on an object or any thing that has matter you can
"change" the way it operates.

From what I understand about cars that run on water (that is assuming there are any) is the only byproduct that would be created by it would be
oxygen. The other argument I heard being made is there isn’t enough fresh water. 1st that would be false overall but second is if you can run an
engine on water then you can run desalinization plants on water as well. Stan Myers is the most well-known but there is a lot of information out there
that makes a strong case for it being a hoax.

The car that runs on compressed air and the trash to fuel stations is not in anyway hoaxes.

As far as the planets rotating and everything in motion you're right. But even space isn't a perfect vacuum, and while it may appear to us that
things are continuing as they always have, they are in fact not. Again,I urge you to read up on perpetual motion machines and why they violate the
laws of physics. Smarter people than you or I have proven these things. I understand one day these things may be disproven in the future, but
currently it stands. If your a particle physicist and have a new theory on this, i'm sure people would love to see it, as you will surely win a
Nobel prize.

And yes, I agree water would be a great source of energy, but until we learn to extract that energy efficiently, its useless.

edit on 28-8-2012
by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

Smarter people?

Wow! That is interesting...

Exactly what 'laws' of physics are we talking about?

I don't exactly know how to speak Parrot so that I could put it in terms you could understand...

(Oh WHO am I kidding. I speak PERFECT Parrot!

)

So I'll give it a go...

The 'laws' you're referring to are sometimes paraphrased as the 'law of conservation of energy'. Basically, it states that Energy can not be
created or destroyed. And that somehow these devices you want to classify as 'perpetual motion' machines somehow violate this/these laws.

Irregardless of how well they might work, they can NOT possibly actually be working! Cuz it's violating these laws!

These 'laws' are supposedly inviolable.

One tiny little problem is the underlying assumptions of these laws... that they are operating in a closed system (kind of a what you see is what you
get situation.

). What I like to call the XYZ world. The reality we all supposedly share and occupy.

The problem is these devices are NOT operating in a CLOSED system... But in an OPEN system. A quite VAST open system.

That some VERY smart people believe exists.

That and ALL of the 'laws' (AND 'theories'

) accepted by 'mainstream' 'Science' are total BS.

It's just MOST people are apparently incapable of seeing that their 'Science' has almost no correlation to the REALITY that is merrily dancing by
their eyes...

You know... Kind of like when a gigantic cloud goes floating by... Obviously NOT understanding the GRAVITY of the situation.

Another thing is that any car that runs on any non-renewable energy source (even one that we have tons of -- on a global scale) like water is a bad
idea in my opinion.

Water is non renewable??? Wow so what do you think happens to the water the car runs on? Do you think it disappears into nothing? These water cars
split these water molecule into hydrogen and oxygen and burns the hydrogen for power. Even burning hydrogen does not turn it into nothing the elements
cannot be destroyed only transformed into something else. What comes out the tail pipe is lo and behold "water" it even cleans the air as it puts
water back into the atmosphere...

I thought the existing law of physics has been found to be flawed. In a YouTube presentation, which is three years old, Dr. Eugene Jeong has shown
that the capacitor have more energy accumulated inside of it than it takes to charge it. You will never hear this story from the mass media. No one
has proved his discovery was wrong.
Remember the theory of E&M has been around over 200 years. No one so far has found there was a serious flaw in the well established physics. Of
course, they will downplay it. The whole academic world is full of deception. It is not just the TPTB. The math used in his presentation is
impeccable.

When will we know how to handle the toxins produced from mining and extracting rare earth metal / powerful magnets. For all electrical generators that
require powerful magnets ie wind , tide , dam , . i will not call them solutions for our energy problems, till we have a solution for the toxic waste
produced.

Originally posted by nightbringr
Each and every one of these devices has been debunked.

Perpetual motion defies the very laws of physics,

And what exactly do think the universe is? Planets? moons? Stars? Galaxies?
Asteroids? etc...are ALL moving perpetually...the universe itself and everything within it is one giant perpetual motion machine. Absolutely NOTHING
is "at rest" or "motionless"...

the "LAWS OF PHYSICS" he says...

I think you'll find the universe is in motion over a period of billions of years in a vacuum but it won't go on forever. Just because Venus does not
stop suddenly does not mean it is a perpetual motion machine.

and converting water to hydrogen and oxygen, as needed to power hydrogen cars uses more power then is released in the process.[/p]

Gas is a much more difficult "energy" source to attain and attaining that resource itself costs energy and reduces the "efficiency" of it, it has
to be accounted for. Water however is much much easier to obtain and is much much more prevalent than oil is. The energy saved from not having to
build, maintain, deploy, and decommission the oil infrastructure as it ages is massive...

edit on 28-8-2012 by Sly1one because: (no reason given)

Hydrogen + Oxygen = Water + energy

In other words water is the "ash" from the exothermic reaction. In order to split the water you need to ADD BACK THE ENERGY.....DUH! This is why
these are scams.

OK I give you a chance. What is the waste product in a water motor ? It CANNOT be water!

I took an interest in this kind of stuff over 10 years ago. During that time EVERY SINGLE device has been proved to be a scam.

Then there's the basic logic problem: There are very many countries in the world who would love to stick two fingers up at the US and Bigoil. If
there really was a free energy device one of those countries (e.g. China) would have developed said machine, be running on free energy, and be even
richer DUH!

Not only that but any inventor with IQ slightly higher than 1 knows that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by votan
If any of these were viable some other country would have already used it to beat the crap out of the USA.

The global economy runs on oil. Oil keeps the elites wealthy everywhere, not just in the USA. The need to keep viable energy alternatives to oil out
of public view and knowledge protects the golden goose for these elites.

The elites everywhere will be united on keeping alternatives to oil hidden for as long as they can. Probably the only point they all really agree on.

In other words water is the "ash" from the exothermic reaction. In order to split the water you need to ADD BACK THE ENERGY.....DUH! This is why
these are scams.

OK I give you a chance. What is the waste product in a water motor ? It CANNOT be water!

I took an interest in this kind of stuff over 10 years ago. During that time EVERY SINGLE device has been proved to be a scam.

Then there's the basic logic problem: There are very many countries in the world who would love to stick two fingers up at the US and Bigoil. If
there really was a free energy device one of those countries (e.g. China) would have developed said machine, be running on free energy, and be even
richer DUH!

Not only that but any inventor with IQ slightly higher than 1 knows that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just wow!

Are you wearing an orange leather vest?

That's quite the lecture...

Let me let you in on a (NOT so) tiny little secret.

What you apparently believe is some kind of 'all-mighty' Science... is actually 'Science'.

If you need an analogy to help you wrap your brain around it...

Think of it as 'Sandbox' 'Science'.

It is a 'safe' Science where nothing of any REAL significance will be let out of the 'sandbox'.

All the parrots believe that our economic system is something like a 'free enterprise' system where the laws of 'supply and demand' govern the price
of goods.

Our economic system is basically one of economic slavery. There is a gigantic scam in place sometimes referred to as the SCARCITY PARADIGM.

As such, what people loosely call TPTB, are NOT going to let anything sometimes referred to as a DISRUPTIVE technology mess us their little situation.

Do you have ANY idea exactly how many BILLIONS the energy monopoly generates EVERY year?

(Big Hint: Energy is by far the biggest economic sector)

There are ALL kinds of (slightly) hidden controls to insure that this gigantic economic engine isn't derailed.

There are a variety of successful schemes that have altered the underlying normal basis to weaken the bond (most via an electrical/magnetic field or
the influence of certain alloys) to enable the dynamic splitting of the bond, automagically making them available for recombination blah. blah.
blah.

Which gives you a 'water engine', but it's really a hydrogen powered engine.

There are also a lot of other schemes that allow you to have inexpensive motive power. Some are even commercially scalable.

There are a number of hot spots in the good ole USofA where you might have set at a stop light next to one of these vehicles.

Some guys seem to intuitively know that if you make too much noise... You'll get Stan Meyered or have your CNS ventilated. get left in the median and
you won't be found until the snow melts in the spring.

You get my drift?

Everything in our modern world and economic system is functioning EXACTLY the way it is supposed to...

Do you have ANY idea how many devices, everywhere around you, apparently haven't read those 'pages' on Wikipedia?

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