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-- Sinclair Lewis

Tuesday, May 22, 2018

How Will Trumpy The Clown Do In Singapore Against Kim Jong Un?

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Is Kim Jong Un smarter that Señor Trumpanzee? Probably. Or at least he knows that Trump is a habitual liar and that nothing he says or agrees to is worth anything at all. Trump very publicly spent his entire life lying to and cheating everything he's negotiated with. Why would this meeting with Kim be any different? When Bolton let the cat out of the bag a couple of weeks ago-- that the U.S. foresees Kim winding up dead in a ditch, his country reduced to anarchy, like Gaddafi and Libya after they were tricked into giving up their nuclear deterrent-- Trump was forced to contradict him with more of his barely coherent, infantile blather: "The Libyan model isn't a model that we have at all when we're thinking of North Korea. The model, if you look at that model with Gaddafi, that was a total decimation. We went in there to beat him. Now that model would take place if we don't make a deal, most likely. But if we make a deal, I think Kim Jong-un is going to be very, very happy," Mr Trump said. He'd be there, he'd be in his country, he'd be running his country, his country would be very rich... Nothing has changed on North Korea that we know of. We have not been told anything. And if it does that's fine and if it doesn't I think we'll probably have a very successful meeting."

The North Koreans might believe it if Trump sent them Bolton's head on a pike. Vice-Foreign Minister Kim Kye-gwan issued a statement about Bolton: "We do not hide our feeling of repugnance towards him." The Washington Post noted today that "Trump advisers have expressed alarm at Pyongyang’s hostile rhetoric and actions over the past week, questioning whether Kim is committed to pledges to seriously discuss denuclearization." Maybe Trump should send Bolton's head in return for the whole nuclear arsenal. Nobel Peace Prize, Trumpanzee, Nobel Peace Prize.On the other hand, as the Aoociated Press reported this morning, "Going into the North Korea meeting, senior administration officials say, the president has been almost singularly focused on the pageantry of the summit--including the suspenseful roll-out of details. He has not been deeply engaged in briefing materials on North Korea’s nuclear program, said three people with knowledge of the White House efforts." He's "staring down a dealmaker’s worst nightmare: overpromising and under-delivering."

As the Singapore meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un draws near, the president and his allies are growing increasingly anxious about how he can score a win on the world stage. While Trump has not suggested he wants to back out, he has struggled to define his objectives for the historic sit-down and last week he drew fresh criticism from his foreign foil.“I think that Trump imagined he would go into this meeting and be able to have a historic breakthrough with a deal, but it’s clear he’s starting to realize it won’t be as easy as he imagined,” said Jean Lee, director of the North Korea program at the Woodrow Wilson Center and a former Associated Press bureau chief in Pyongyang.Trump, who has pitched himself as the ultimate negotiator, has focused on ambitious deals as president but has struggled with the fine print. He just hit the pause button on his threatened trade war with China, announcing an agreement to reduce America’s trade deficit with China-- but few details. He recently withdrew the U.S. from the international Iran-nuclear deal-- without outlining a path forward with his allies. And his Middle East peace plan, which he deputized his son-in-law to lead, is months overdue and facing a more skeptical audience than ever.Supporters stress that sometimes Trump’s ambitious efforts do pay off, as with the massive tax cut bill he signed into law late last year.Going into the North Korea meeting, senior administration officials say, the president has been almost singularly focused on the pageantry of the summit —including the suspenseful roll-out of details. He has not been deeply engaged in briefing materials on North Korea’s nuclear program, said three people with knowledge of the White House efforts. They were not authorized to speak publicly.Scott Snyder, director of the Program on U.S.-Korea Policy at the Council of Foreign Relations, said there’s a risk that “the ceremony and the historic nature of the meeting be allowed to overshadow the deliverables.”Driven by gut instinct, Trump rarely dives deep as he prepares to meet with foreign counterparts. For the North Korea meeting, insiders say, he is motivated by the idea of scoring a historic deal and is tickled by suggestions he could win a Nobel Peace Prize-- especially since Barack Obama won the honor early in his presidency. Trump has maintained publicly that his goal is to see the Korean Peninsula denuclearized, and the North has agreed to put its nuclear program on the negotiating table as a condition for the talks. But the two sides are still miles apart on defining what might be mutually acceptable.Trump will huddle Tuesday at the White House with South Korean President Moon Jae-in to prepare for the June 12 summit. It was Moon’s government that delivered the initial invitation from Kim for a meeting, and South Korea has been pushing the U.S. toward a peaceful resolution to the nuclear crisis.North Korea threw a wrench in the plans last week, threatening to cancel over concerns about the U.S. push to see the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. Administration officials viewed the warning as bluster, akin to Trump’s own promise to walk away if Kim isn’t serious about denuclearization. Both sides, they said, have a vested interest in a successful meeting.Trump attempted to assuage Kim’s concerns last week, promising “protections” should he abandon his nuclear weapons. But Trump also suggested Kim risks being overthrown and possibly death if the arsenal remains.Two former Trump administration officials said the high degree of uncertainty surrounding the talks benefits Kim, who stands to gain the most in the form of international legitimacy from a sit-down with Trump.Concrete gains for Trump would be slower to emerge. Denuclearization programs are measured in months, not days, and for North Korea, which has already demonstrated thermonuclear capability, it would likely take years to dismantle and verify that it had abandoned its atomic efforts, should it agree to do so.One official said the priority of the talks in Singapore would be to reach a topline understanding with Kim, with details to be fleshed out later.The best-case scenario, experts said, would mirror the Iran-nuclear agreement that Trump withdrew from earlier this month — securing an end to the North’s atomic program in exchange for a lifting of sanctions. Such an agreement could provide Kim more assurances that his leadership would be secure.While public jockeying last week led to speculation about whether the meeting will happen, people close to Trump say he does want it to take place.Victor Cha, a professor at Georgetown University and former White House official, said the best outcome would be “good optics, good atmospherics, some broad statements on denuclearization and peace, and some immediate deliverable.” He said the worst-case scenario was canceling the meeting.“Where are we, if the meeting is canceled? Are we going back to where we were in 2017? Is North Korea going to start testing again?” he asked. “I think from the broader perspective, that would be the worst outcome.”Laying the political groundwork, Vice President Mike Pence, in an interview with Fox News, said both the Clinton and Bush administrations had been ‘played’ by the North Korean government. “We offered concessions to the North Korean regime in exchange for promises to end their nuclear weapons program, only to see them break those promises and abandon them,” he said. “It would be a great mistake for Kim Jong Un to think he could play Donald Trump.”

Today, during his meeting with South Korean President Moon Jae-in, Trump announced that the summit with Kim Jong-un may not go ahead as planned and that "maybe it will happen later.” Trumpanzee said "there are certain conditions that we want" before the summit, and if they aren't met the summit won't happen. In return for denuclearization Trump farted out of his mouth that "we will guarantee his safety" under the terms of a deal, and that China, South Korea and Japan are all willing to invest big bucks to "make North Korea great." I wonder who he thinks takes his bullshit seriously.

kinda agree. While TX sends us such terrible Nazis, NY gives us some really awful 'craps. Scummer may be the worst of them all. It's a close call.

Un seems to be playing this far better than trump. he's made separate concessions and created some excitement in his sort-of reconciliation with the south. Whether this is genuine or just a play remains to be seen. But he's setting up trump and Bolton as villains when, not if, the summit crashes and burns, as it almost surely must.

The americans are all hubris and bluster (the Iran fuster cluck proves this) and will never adhere to any deal for long. And they'll make demands that no sane leader of the North can abide.

Already the Bolton gaffes might be enough to do this. But there shall be more. These two shitheads are unacquainted with restraint.

BTW, their Nazi base will get huge boners if this happens. They want nuclear war and abhor peace. THIS is our future.