I've never seen a team seriously not care this much about improving the roster. period.

I mean, this is Donald Sterling level incompetence. At least you can kind of side with the Tribe and the Cavs for their recent tank job. (and going back to it, eeyore's quote on Shapiro being a fine mid-market owner is beginning to ring true everyday.), the Browns? In-fucking-excusable for the lack of activity.

As it stands now, the Browns have now officially became WORSE on offense than they were in 20-fucking-10 when Brian Daboll was running things, and with Robiskie and Massaqoui were our star receivers.

There is nothing on this roster that makes me want to put 65 bucks for a ticket. Absolutely nothing. Hell, I may try to find ways to avoid watching this complete and utter CRAP all together if things don't change. Izod Indycar is calling my name, and at least they don't fucking treat their fans like garbage year in and year out.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

All I'm saying is that it's not like the guy would take 2 mill less to go somewhere else for a year. Browns would have offered him 4.5-5 mill, he's here, unless he's really as dumb as he looks, sounds, and acted last year.

Which means there was zero market for him and the Browns didn't want him back for some reason. Seems like there's more to the story here.

Even at 1 year, 5 mill ... the Browns would be insane not to bring him back if they feel there is a decent chance of him being close to the back he was in 2010.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

I don't understand, every new hole that pops up on an offense with like four positions set and a defense with like six adds to the length of the rebuild.

We're already looking at a five year plan for Holmes regime at the very least.

That is the frustration. You can make fun of people for being pissed off all you want, but with each day the speed of the rebuild slows a little bit more.

But damnit, Holmes is gonna do it the right way!!! The draft way!!!

And then when he needs a franchise QB he's going to trade three first for him and still have ten UFA's in the top two of the draft chart because he'll have kept to his you get two or three FA's a year wetdream.

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swerb wrote:All I'm saying is that it's not like the guy would take 2 mill less to go somewhere else for a year. Browns would have offered him 4.5-5 mill, he's here, unless he's really as dumb as he looks, sounds, and acted last year.

You cannot be serious here.

That absolutely was the case. And it isn't unheard of when it comes to players with big heads and small brains after one decent year and some publicity.

peeker643 wrote:They allegedly offered him 3 yrs/$9million, 3 yrs/$16m last season and an incentive laden 3-year deal as recently as last month.

He keeps getting cheaper and dumber.

Now, I guess we need to let people bitch for a bit. As misplaced as their anger over this may be I've been told it's wrong to complain about their complaints. Even if logic isn't at all a part of them

Don't think I'm not pissed off about this. I am. Another guy that takes less to go somewhere else, even if the dude is batshit crazy. H & H be sittin' in their offices saying "What the fuck did we get ourselves into?"

But, yeah, this one's on Hillis. Stupid hilljack psycho.

But I get that prolonged flogging eventually leads to anger which leads to a certain disreason. This is why we drink.

If they get Tate, then Hillis is just a bad trip we took, and thank god our hands have finally stopped shaking.

swerb wrote:All I'm saying is that it's not like the guy would take 2 mill less to go somewhere else for a year. Browns would have offered him 4.5-5 mill, he's here, unless he's really as dumb as he looks, sounds, and acted last year.

You cannot be serious here.

That absolutely was the case. And it isn't unheard of when it comes to players with big heads and small brains after one decent year and some publicity.

I find that hard to believe. This league, where the average career of a RB is like 4 years, I'd be shocked if the guy walked away from 2 million dollars cause he wanted to shove it up the Browns ass. Not like the guy has made a lot of $ in his career. Sure all that Madden $ is gone with that new wife of his.

I think there is more to the story here. Hopefully it comes out. Cause Hillis, when his head was right, was a helluva back. Runs people over, great hands, the larger than normal facemask. I'm shocked he only signed for 1/3.

Guy may be just a stupid hilbilly. It's possible.

"It's like dating a woman who hates you so much she will never break up with you, even if you burn down the house every single autumn." ~ Chuck Klosterman on Browns fans relationship with the Browns

swerb wrote:All I'm saying is that it's not like the guy would take 2 mill less to go somewhere else for a year. Browns would have offered him 4.5-5 mill, he's here, unless he's really as dumb as he looks, sounds, and acted last year.

Which means there was zero market for him and the Browns didn't want him back for some reason. Seems like there's more to the story here.

Even at 1 year, 5 mill ... the Browns would be insane not to bring him back if they feel there is a decent chance of him being close to the back he was in 2010.

He was dumb enough to not capitalize on all of his success of 2010 and the Madden crap. He's hired more agents than his beloved CIA in the past two years. He's a fucking nut. Like Glenn Close Rabbit in the Pot crazy.

I don't think he ever was coming back here after the strep/hurt/okay/intervention thing.

They offered him more than anyone at least twice.

I'd have been fine with a year for $3-$5m but again, don't see this as Browns issue so much as Hillis is a redneck tool box issue.

e0y2e3 wrote:I don't understand, every new hole that pops up on an offense with like four positions set and a defense with like six adds to the length of the rebuild.

We're already looking at a five year plan for Holmes regime at the very least.

That is the frustration. You can make fun of people for being pissed off all you want, but with each day the speed of the rebuild slows a little bit more.

But damnit, Holmes is gonna do it the right way!!! The draft way!!!

And then when he needs a franchise QB he's going to trade three first for him and still have ten UFA's in the top two of the draft chart because he'll have kept to his you get two or three FA's a year wetdream.

Question- was it a hole or was it not a hole last year with him? Dude was found money coming back for Quinn. Ya wanna bitch, bitch about the Hardesty and Marecic picks.

Hillis had a terrific 2010. Aside from that last year isn't an aberration. Love the style and the brand he wears. But it doesn't exactly lead to longevity. He's had 1 healthy season in the league.

So much more to be bent about than him. He wasn't on the team when he signed with KC. They did not cut him. They offered him a huge deal last year. He said no then flaked and got hurt.

Can someone just start a new thread telling me when we can officially be pissed off and rant for real?

Is it when we draft another offensive lineman in the first round?Is it when Colt McCoy is still the best QB on the roster?Is it when Rusty Fucker is out best FA signing?Do I have to wait until Montario Hardesty is our #1 RB for 2 quarters of week 1?Is it while watching Greg Little bounce passes off his shoulder ma pads once a week?

bookelly wrote:I wonder how many people are stuck with a "Hillis" jersey. I guess us people should learn by now to pay the extra dough to have yer own last name on the back of the jersey.

My choice was down between bernie and him.

and bernie won out.

thank god.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Can someone just start a new thread telling me when we can officially be pissed off and rant for real?

Is it when we draft another offensive lineman in the first round?Is it when Colt McCoy is still the best QB on the roster?Is it when Rusty Fucker is out best FA signing?Do I have to wait until Montario Hardesty is our #1 RB for 2 quarters of week 1?Is it while watching Greg Little bounce passes off his shoulder ma pads once a week?

SD:

I dunno I was down wth Randy calling Holmgren on the carpet the minute they blew the RG3 pick lobbing off his head and kicking it down the steps of Berea and reclaiming the franchise , for for gross insubordination and incompetence .

There is no way its an accident that suddenly Colt is now the last man standing and no other QB is in sight .

MKC reported the Browns have not contacted Flynn and that my friend is the smokin gun that the RG3 debacle was no accident.

Can someone just start a new thread telling me when we can officially be pissed off and rant for real?

Is it when we draft another offensive lineman in the first round?Is it when Colt McCoy is still the best QB on the roster?Is it when Rusty Fucker is out best FA signing?Do I have to wait until Montario Hardesty is our #1 RB for 2 quarters of week 1?Is it while watching Greg Little bounce passes off his shoulder ma pads once a week?

SD:

I dunno I was down wth Randy calling Holmgren on the carpet the minute they blew the RG3 pick lobbing off his head and kicking it down the steps of Berea and reclaiming the franchise , for for gross insubordination and incompetence .

There is no way its an accident that suddenly Colt is now the last man standing and no other QB is in sight .

MKC reported the Browns have not contacted Flynn and that my friend is the smokin gun that the RG3 debacle was no accident.

SoulDawg

I am starting to believe, they thought they were all in and going to get RG3 and now that they did not they have shat all over their offices and have no idea what to do next.

swerb wrote:I just can't see Tate coming for anything less than the price tag of #37 overall.

The more you see of him the righter you may be.

That said, I'd rather not give that up. You can get Miller or Wilson at 37 or even wait and look for Doug Martin a round or two later.

Impression: Martin isn't a dynamic size/speed back, but there aren't many negatives to his game as a back. He plays fast, runs low, is natural through the line of scrimmage and has a skill set somewhat similar to former Alabama RB Mark Ingram last year. He might fall a bit because he doesn't run overly well, but he has the skill set to start in the league.

All three of those guys are a better value than Richardson at 4 though it's Wilson and Martin who are supposedly much better in blitz pickup.

Unfortunately, I agree with Spin. Unless you can get Weinke v 2.0 at 37 and take a flier, Colt with another full year in the same system with (hopefully) better receivers and development from Norwood and Little is probably going to be better than anything else that we still have a shot at. Hope to get your elite QB next year, without having to give up the farm for it.

Maybe we'll be rewarded for the patience of not blowing 3 years of first rounders by having some productive elite talent this year and a QB next year. Not holding my breath, though.

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