( G_R ) » Thu May 12, 2016 1:37 pm wrote:Because Pedro, my main suspect had 4 posts and was dead to rule 11 anyway, had you hammered. Your lack of action confirms my read on you as town. My play was having all townies in the wagon and both the scum and the neutral dead at the end of the day. I also had my ability as a Hail Mary had things gone awry.

I explained why I was concerned about the lynch of NA in an earlier post.

10 days? Really? Jeez, sorry guys. I've been trying to keep up while sitting on the John, but I haven't had a spare minute to actually give this game some thought. I will have time soon. I think. For sure before deadline.

Stardust » Fri May 13, 2016 8:30 pm wrote:10 days? Really? Jeez, sorry guys. I've been trying to keep up while sitting on the John, but I haven't had a spare minute to actually give this game some thought. I will have time soon. I think. For sure before deadline.

Luckily you don't need to think about the game to claim. Should be quicker than pooping.

As the day progressed, the sacrifice of Jeb Bush weighed heavily on the minds and hearts of the true Republican leaders. Those honorary gentlemen who put themselves before their constituents in an effort to better the American Way, hearts heavy and hurting, sought to find those left among them who would besmirch Lincoln's Grand ol' Party. Turning their sights on Stardust, they waited for a reasonable explanation for his actions.

...

They poked and prodded and practically begged that he address their concerns.

...

Deciding they would wait no longer, hamfactorial entered the circle wherein lied Stardust and let fly a righteous noose, landing precisely around Stardust's neck. Pulling with all his might, Stardust flies into the air and proceeds to die as silently as he'd live those last few days.

Stardust has been lynched. He was Rand Paul, Libertarian Recruiter

Pedrobear has been modkilled for failure to adhere to rule #11. He was Bobby Jindal, Town Super Doctor

It is now Night 2. Day 3 will begin Thu May 19th around 11AM central time or when all Night actions have been submitted, whichever comes first.

Lumbering into the hall, you notice there's two left alive. ( G_R ) was killed overnight in a bloody mess. Eyes locking, hamfactorial sees the malicious intent in Kraj's eyes...but it is too little too late.

( G_R ) was killed overnight. He was Chris Christie, Town Distractor

hamfactorial was killed at the beginning of the Day. He was Scott Walker, Town Investigative Committee member

Kraj is the lone survivor. He was George Pataki, VP Candidate for Mr. Trump

Congratulations are in order for Kraj. He replaced into what could easily have been an unwinnable situation and performed remarkably.

I hope you guys enjoyed this game. The I really liked the setup and would have liked to see Stardust do a bit better. (I regret having you need 3 recruits and, had you gotten 2 before you died, would have modified it to allow you to win. With this few people in the game, it was too steep a goal for you.) I've always disliked Cults (which is precisely what he was) UNLESS they're just there. The Cult had no bearing on Town or Scum for their win-con. (I actually got the idea for that role before any others because of Rand Paul, the Libertarian Republican. All other people were randomized into their roles.)

So....feel free to discuss!! But try not to be TOO hard on me for being a bastard.

In the final moments I thought you had tricked us Ham and chose to protect Kraj, which didn't matter since he NK'd me. I could have chosen to redirect from me to him which would have changed the outcome. The lack of hammer the first time Stardust went L-1 was some move, congrats Kraj.

( G_R ) » Tue May 17, 2016 4:02 pm wrote:In the final moments I thought you had tricked us Ham and chose to protect Kraj, which didn't matter since he NK'd me. I could have chosen to redirect from me to him which would have changed the outcome. The lack of hammer the first time Stardust went L-1 was some move, congrats Kraj.

From the Mafia chat:

"Thinking out loud here. I could have quick hammered Stardust, hoping that my NK followed by a DK first thing tomorrow would bring it home. The gamble is town abilities. A RBer, Jailer, Vig who didn't like my hammer could lose the game for me, as could a Watcher or Doc, or a menagerie of less likely abilities. With Last Resort, all bets are off on what tools the town might have.

It's unlikely at this point that I'll get lynched over GR, Pedro, or Stardust, and nobody has yet blamed me for Red, so I need to continue looking town before night if I want the best chance of a successful NK. My biggest worry is a mass claim since I have nothing to work with, so I need to steer away from that if I can. If Stardust's claim is a good one, then it might prompt the mass, but it would be absurd to lynch him without it."

For the record, I hated having to modkill RedNihilist. I was tempted to refuse to do so and issue a warning instead because of rule 9:

9. Be sporting. No trying to get modkilled, no cryptoclaiming, no outing of your scum buddies as some twisted revenge. Please don’t try to win so hard that you ruin the game in the process.

but r_0 convinced me that would be wrong. I gave Red warning in the PM he received after using his Last Resort, shown below:

IF you break your post restriction, you will be modkilled. FAIR WARNING.

Because of that, refusing to modkill him for posting words twice in one day would have been favoritism towards Town, and I couldn't allow that, no matter how much I wanted this game to play out just a BIT more.

Bah. I wasn't even a cult, just a weird kind of survivor, though it took me weeks to figure that out. I was planning to full claim, out PedroBear as my cult buddy and declare Kraj to be scum based on GR's wagon reasoning (which was pretty legit). It wouldn't have won the game for me though. Still needed a third recruit, and you guys would have lynched me the next day (even my teammates would have turned on me since Manders outed my lie in the cult chat ).

I think Manders should have ended the Day after Red's modkill. That was pretty unsporting. No reason to give him what he wants (help to town).

Either way, sorry for ditching for so long. I wish I had more time for mafia these days, but this might be my last.

I have a question, a question for everyone: Do you hate all rich people, or just rich people who don't contribute to your campaign? Do you hate poor people or do you just hate poor people with jobs? I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat, there is something profoundly un-American about using the brute force of government to bully someone.

I rode my bike to school every day from age five to age fourteen. It was a small town - you could go anywhere. I don't want to live in a nanny state where people are telling me where I can go and what I can do. If our freedom is taken, the American dream will wither and die.

That's still a kind of cult. Since you had the ability to recruit, you're considered a cult.

I was planning to full claim, out PedroBear as my cult buddy and declare Kraj to be scum based on GR's wagon reasoning (which was pretty legit). It wouldn't have won the game for me though. Still needed a third recruit, and you guys would have lynched me the next day (even my teammates would have turned on me since Manders outed my lie in the cult chat ).

They could have been convinced to No Lynch and let you win alongside the Town.

What lie, though? I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I think Manders should have ended the Day after Red's modkill. That was pretty unsporting. No reason to give him what he wants (help to town).

I considered this as well and, in hindsight, I agree that I should have done that. Especially since I'd already implemented a deadline.

Red, I hope you realize your suicide had a direct, negative effect on this game, AS IT ALWAYS WILL. Suiciding is NEVER best for the Town unless you are Mafia. Even if you get mislynched, that's information that can be had.

Oh, yeah, I was a cult. Just not anti-town. I don't think I would have had much luck convincing people to no lynch, though, not after losing PedroBear. Or would it have been 4 alive, so me and my new recruit control the vote? I didn't do the math, maybe that would have worked out? Whatever. I got to the thread with 30 minutes to spare, only to see that I'd been lynched. Them's the breaks.

Oh, yeah, and the lie was about the reversion to town. I didn't post my full role PM to the chat thread when I said I did. Guess you didn't notice. Didn't want my underlings rising up against me at the last minute.

Stardust » Tue May 17, 2016 5:09 pm wrote:Oh, yeah, and the lie was about the reversion to town. I didn't post my full role PM to the chat thread when I said I did. Guess you didn't notice. Didn't want my underlings rising up against me at the last minute.

I'd be interested to see the full setup, Manders. Balancing a game this small without mostly vanillas is a tough task.

Thank you for the compliments but I can't take too much credit. I'm happy with my play, but with both NightArcher and Rez lurking hardcore day 1 I got to come in without any baggage and skip day 1, which is where I'm weakest. More so, there were too many town players lurking or actively lurking, which gave me lots of easy targets to attack, and made it very hard for the active players to tell what I was up to.

In case anyone is curious, I NK'd ColonelK for several reasons. ColK came across as savvy and was less suspicious of Red than GR was, and I knew I wanted to attack Red. I also had GR's defense of NightArcher to work with if Red and Pedro were a bust. With Ham obvtown and the only claimed player, I expected him to be a magnet for protection, watcher, etc. I also had godfather protection, so I wanted the investigative committee to stick around and target me. I was actually disappointed when ColK flipped as a mason. I also thought that, if cornered, I could convince the town to let me live another day and that you'd trust Ham enough to pick between me and whoever else was alive, knowing that I could likely win with the daykill before getting lynched.

Red, I'm genuinely sorry if I upset you at all. This is why you don't give in to frustration; you were absolutely right there was scum on your wagon! I don't think the town was as set on lynching you as you thought. You could have made it very difficult for me to keep pushing you.

Pedro, I hope you had fun. Forum mafia is very different than in-person, and it's very difficult to play in a second language because the words you choose can be scrutinized so closely. If you enjoyed yourself at all, I encourage you to try again. If you like, I'd be happy to help as a mentor.

Some randoms from my notes:

Stardust » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:29 pm wrote:I do not hate freedom. Let me remind you that of all the candidates on this stage right now, I am the only one who has been fighting for the common man. Look to my record, you can see for yourself. Big government and moneyed interests are destroying the American dream, and must be opposed. Donald Trump must be opposed. So what have you done lately? Nothing. Nothing for this party and nothing for this country. The only people you work for are your donors and your vested interests.