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Re: NO on forward pasess

I think
1 you see that frequently
2 its never called as forward
3 if anyone ever called it forward people would think it crazy

I have never seen a player throw the ball back over his shoulder when running towards his own DBL.

Three scenarios - X is running towards his own DBL with the ball:
1. X passes to Y who is several metres nearer the DBL.
2. X passes sideways exactly compensating for his own backward speed.
3. X throws the ball back over his shoulder.

You appear to be claiming that all three are valid passes ie it does not matter how he passes as long as he is running towards his own DBL. That is tantamount to saying that it is impossible for him to throw a forward pass, which does not make sense.

Please explain what you would accept as a throw forward from player X.

He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
And whistled as he went, for want of thought. The Referee byJohn Dryden

Re: NO on forward pasess

I have never seen a player throw the ball back over his shoulder when running towards his own DBL.

whoever mentioned that?
using velocity vectors is NOT a good way to define a forward pass as no one understands it.

Scenario
- a player is running toward his own goal line, forward velocity -10
- as he crosses the 22m line he passes the ball along the 22m line to a team mate.
- forward velocity of the ball = 0 (it's travelling along the 22m line)
- this is NOT a forward pass
- even though he changed the forward velocity of the ball from -10 to 0

Re: NO on forward pasess

Originally Posted by crossref

whoever mentioned that?
using velocity vectors is NOT a good way to define a forward pass as no one understands it.

Scenario
- a player is running toward his own goal line, forward velocity -10
- as he crosses the 22m line he passes the ball along the 22m line to a team mate.
- forward velocity of the ball = 0 (it's travelling along the 22m line)
- this is NOT a forward pass
- even though he changed the forward velocity of the ball from -10 to 0

OB.. please concentrate on the scenario as written

The point is that he INCREASED the forward speed from -10 to 0. That is a forward pass. We do not measure a pass by its speed over the ground, but by its direction relative to the passer.

I gave you three examples which covered three different directions relative to the passer - forwards, sideways, and backwards. They cannot all three be valid passes.

The requirement is that the ball should not be moving forward relative to the passer when it leaves the passer's hands. That is exactly equivalent to my statement that the passer must not increase the forward speed of the ball, but the latter is easier to measure if you have the equipment.

He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
And whistled as he went, for want of thought. The Referee byJohn Dryden