I can confirm it does refresh at 5 stacks, though don't treat this trinket as a static 8k haste; it usually sticks around 2 stacks. With that said, during bloodlust this trinket seems to proc more (not sure why as it shouldn't be affected by additional haste) and the dps explodes.

It's a very good trinket all round though; alleviates complexities of gameplay whilst providing good burst occasionally.

RPPM scales with "True Haste" which includes lust, troll racial and a few other sources. In general if it gives you energy regen its true haste.

I'm pretty sure it's because you can't just do what I tried to do with uptimes. You could multiply the probabilities (assuming independency, which should be fine)... But the more I think about it, the dodgier it seems (uptimes are related to probabilities, but not sure that relation extends as far as I've pushed it!)

Edit: but to actually answer your question, yes, i do take into account the 5th stack can refresh itself - I think the issue is with the method itself though.

I have currently LFR talisman of bloodlust and double upgraded normal bottle. According to EJ's list i should use talisman , according to the other list i should go with bottle. Shadowcraft agrees with the latter.

Playing around with my model: bad luck protection won't apply to the stack refreshing cases (since a stack can only be refreshed within 10 seconds, which is less than the time for bad luck protection to kick in). Taking this refinement into account, I get:

Average uptime remains the same (of course), but the average stack size drops slightly to 1.55. If this holds true (or if the average stack size is around that number), it would put Talisman below most other trinkets (522 would be just below doubly upgraded bottle, in my gear).

I'm still working mathematical solution to this problem, what kind of haste are you considering with this list so I may compare results?

Originally Posted by nekroth

I have currently LFR talisman of bloodlust and double upgraded normal bottle. According to EJ's list i should use talisman , according to the other list i should go with bottle.

Yes; this was being discussed in detail back around page 7; if you're interested for combat, I recommend running it for yourself (artificially set non-haste secondaries to 0, add double their value to haste, sim, compare to normal DPS, divide by uptime), but I have doubts of its value as it supports averaging stats, which combat isn't really well known for. Temporary large secondary stats are much better set for other classes.

Ryme - I'll PM you some logs for a couple of rogues with ToB when I can. Also - RPPM abilities don't consider the 10% melee haste, do they? Just haste from gear, and temporary haste buffs (lust, etc.); or am I wrong?