Monday Mirthiness – The mind of a climate alarmist

Josh has been thinking a lot lately about what goes on in the minds of climate alarmists, especially the poor children who have been scared into thinking that they have no future unless we immediately “act” on doing something, anything, to save the Earth’s climate.

With the help of some old textbooks, he’s been able to illustrate the mindset.

Josh comes up with this stuff on his own time, if you like his work, chip in for a pint.

I’ve stopped watching the BBC – and then stayed with a relative for a week who constantly has the BBC on. And it was constant climate propaganda. They constantly say “the science supports” … but they do not mention the science (because it doesn’t support their nonsense).

Eventually, I asked my relative whether they had done anything to check out the claims of the BBC themselves. They got angry, but eventually admitted they hadn’t – and this is someone from a “science” background.

So, the technique is a form of brainwashing: constantly saying there is a problem and that the “science” and every “scientist” is in agreement (they are not), constantly denigrating and attacking people who don’t support their stance (without allowing them to be heard) and never once giving the actual science (which doesn’t support them).

And I have to say, I have a lot of sympathy for people who grew up trusting the BBC and so haven’t changed their habits to look at the internet for alternative sources of information.

And you can tell people subject to this brainwashing, because if you ask them to give a scientific reason to justify their position – they can’t – and for someone who thinks these climate cultists views are actual “science” and that they themselves understand them, that is a very difficult position – they just can’t justify what they imagine to be their “own” views because they just don’t have anything to support it.

Being precocious, and religious as taught, I had a question about the theology of my family’s religion. I asked my mother about it. She was somewhat stumped, so, to my surprise, she put me in the car and drove us into town to speak to our preacher!

I asked him the question, and he gave us the answer. I don’t remember the question; I don’t remember the answer. But it was the end of my belief in that specific religion, and laid the groundwork for my dismissal of all religions.

To wit, we had to go ask someone what we believed. The cognitive dissonance was too great. Skepticism set in.

Same deal here, Mike. People accept the climate change religion. It is what is to them. They never realize that it doesn’t add up. They trust their institutions. So if they ever have any questions, they’ll ask the BBC, and incuriously accept the answer. It doesn’t even need to be a good answer.

Best comment I’ve read ever. Yes, there is great cognitive dissonance in having to ask someone what we believe, or memorize a creed of what we believe. That dissonance, when realized and accepted is the likely driving force behind aesthetic hermits who somehow find a spiritual life without outside dictates, simply in their solitude, surroundings and thoughts.

Regardless of whether you are an atheist, Buddhist, Christian you have to answer the question of how did we get here? An atheist may say ‘Who Created God?’ to justify their position. It still takes faith to believe in atheism just like any of the other religions of the world. And if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice! (Rush). As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord.

I find the concept of god unnecessary or unhelpful in explaining anything. It’s not a choice, but a lack of choice. I have plenty of options I could take: I could praise Thor, Odin and the Sun on Sundays. I could bow to the Moon, or the spirits of the woods. I could take Buddha’s teachings true and try to find enlightening (death) via learning to not want things. I could sacrifice (offer) to my ancestors. I could believe an Arabic prophet taught us all about the God. I don’t see why your option would be superior, sorry. Yes, I know you believe so.

I won’t answer how we got here. If I did, I’m sure you wouldn’t take my answer anyway. I’m happy with my answer, though it’s a bit unconventional. Though, I think an answer is also totally unnecessary. This is my three cents.

Still one thing. I’m not sure atheism has any meaning to me. It’s not an ism to not be religious.

You only need to ask “How did we get here?” if you believe that we have been created or evolved for a purpose. I’ve concluded, based on my experience, that there is too much chance and chaos involved to believe that logic and purpose (or justice) play any substantial part in life. If we are just one more link in a chaotic evolutionary chain which will continue beyond the extinction of our species, then the answer to the question is: “We are here because we are here”, so, enjoy life’s journey, ’cause the destination sucks.

in the realm of logic, zero is not a number
it designates the empty set
the empty set has no members
to attribute properties to members of the empty set is the root of all mysticism a violation of the third law of logic
without logic one can not perform reason
reason is the application of logic to evaluate the truth of a proposition

I have questioned creeds plenty. I have never questioned my own spirituality. I don’t need to. If a spiritual life is real, if we are endowed with such a thing, to go ask someone other than ourselves what we believe seems to me to be evidence of a lack of faith, a lack of having an endowed spiritual nature. To realize it, I stopped asking someone else what I believed, and then I found my spiritual nature

A question SO fundamentally important to your entire “belief” system … that it cannot be remembered? That should be worrying. It’s something like NOT being able honestly or accurately predict the environmental impact of a 1.2 deg. Change in global temperature … yet cause adults to froth at the mouth, and children suspend their own education. Somehow, your story doesn’t sound … rational. Doesn’t sound … scientific.

Trust their institutions? Like the press? Right in the middle of the AP story on the historic nature of this year’s flooding up and down the Mississippi River, was this. ‘As the planet warms due to human-caused climate change, heavy downpours are increasing in the Midwest, according to the National Climate Assessment. From the early 1990s to the mid-2010s, very heavy precipitation events in the Midwest increased by 37%, the assessment said.’ Up to that point it was a good accounting of the severity of the flooding and how it measured up to past floods. The media just can’t seem to get past blaming every severe ‘weather ‘ on global warming or climate change. I spent almost 10 years in St. Louis in the 70’s and 80’s, we had severe flooding in 7 of the years. Much was blamed on global cooling in that the late spring thaw caused more runoff and ice blocking the river damming it up.

Sky News interviewed a “Liberal Democrat” who had just been elected into the EU Parliament earlier. She said Britain voted to Remain in Europe partly because of the fight against climate change. There’s absolutely bugger all going on in that mind!

Need to show the diapers- climate alarmists appear to still believe in fairy tales. The mentality is that of someone who just blindly believes any lie that is told to them. Like dung beetles, they have a seemingly endless appetite for swallowing bullshit.

… and it’s color is green. The purpose of it is to drive a wedge between the old and the young generation of Germans. And it was an outstanding success. By “divide and rule” the American Empire has controlled the world for over 100 years. And now we are feeling the “power of division”, too. After this election, Germany will no longer be the successful, higly industrialized country it once was, for a young generation of “internet activists” will sneak into power out of their cozy parents’ basements totally free of expertise and supply fears, to impose a green reign of terror on us, compared to which Girolamo Savonarola’s young guards in Renaissance Florence and Mao’s young Red Guards will look like amateurs.

On the U.S.A. Memorial day, when my country commemorates the service of those who have fought and died in the service of our country, the statement of “By”divide and rule” the American Empire has controlled the world for over 100 years.”, I become disgusted to think of the tens of thousands of American lives spent in 2 world wars to delay the spread of totalitarianism in Europe and the rest of the world.

I know not where you live Michael, but the U.S. dodged a bullet when Trump was elected. 4 more years of the Obama/Democrat socialist/communist government would may well have been the end of FREE enterprise in the U.S, and eventually the entire world. The United States and Free Enterprise/Capitalism has done more to free men of the constraints of Monarchy/Serfdom in any of it’s forms, under any name, than any other country or system.

So sorry that my country has controlled the world as such. Comments such as yours make me wish the U.S. had more closely followed G. Washington’s admonition from his so called Farewell Address:

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”

Thus Trump, in my opinion, with his desire to settle and end dangerous differences with N Korea and Iran in such a fashion so as to allow the U.S to return to that noble desire to allow the rest of the world to fend for yourselves without the U.S. holding your hands in some form of “divide and rule” that has essentially allowed the free capitalist countries of the world to still, as of yet, be free.

I wish for you to have a world, outside of N. America, uncontrolled and unprotected by the American Empire. The U.S needs to take the high ground, the Moon, to ensure true Mutually Assured Destruction from that high ground, so that no country will dare to attempt to invade of attack the U.S in the future. Yes I do mean, to Take the Moon. Not allow any other country a foothold there. The North American Continent truly has all that is needed for the maintenance of it’s people and industry.

I say let the rest of the world be dammed. America has done enough for you ungrateful denizens of Europe and Asia. Just think how RICH the inhabitants of North America would be were it not for the vast sums of productive labor and resources wasted on the military expenditures of the last 105 years. We could all be living in 3000 sq ft houses, driving bigger and safer cars on bigger and safer highways with no fear of hunger or energy shortages or shortages of anything for that matter.

BTW we would have NO national government debt were it not for WWII. A little research will show that the US debt is due to the cost of WWII having never been repaid. Just compound the interest from the debit incurred to defeat Germany, Italy and Japan, and you come to the current national debt. So do you intend to have your nation and the rest of the free world repay what you owe the US? I don’t think so.

END RANT Sorry Anthony and mods. Today I could not let the slur go without response.

I wasn’t slurring anyone, I was only stating what is common wisdom in Europe. American grandstanding is something of the past, thank you very much. And now we would be pleased if you let us mind our own businesses, while America (No, not America, only the USA!) is free to mind her’s as she pleases, too, as long as she stops messing in the businesses of other people.

European wisdom! Leftist European wisdom. Socialism soon to be communism, then economic collapse, as per Venezuela. I agree, we need to leave you to your own demise. We should have left mainland Europe alone 70 years ago so all of Europe could be speaking German now.

Europe will not even pay their contractual 2% GDP towards defense per NATO. Ungrateful wieners. Trump finally spoke to that.

I am all for removing all of the US military bases and equipment from mainland Europe, Asia and Japan. Should have been done long ago. Remove the buildings, runways, etc., leave nothing but bare land. Watch the local economies collapse. Think of Subic Bay naval base in the Philippines, closed in 1992. 20,000 Filipinos were employed there. The closure was due to excessive “rent” demanded by the Philippine government.

Won’t need any of that once the moon colony is up and running.

I think the British Crown Colonies as still salvageable from the red scourge so I don’t know if the US should unilaterally leave the UK and Australia, common heritage and all. I would probably err on the side of GW and leave without a specific request and economic inducement to stay.

The Philippines invited the US back in 2012. Note the coincident construction of the “islands” by China in the South China Sea in areas claimed by the Philippines. Again, I do not think the US should have started reusing the facilities, let the countries near China deal with that issue.

I do think the US should not allow the Chinese encroachment on “International Waters”, which no country should stand for. Grandstanding? Who else can or will do so? I notice the EU has sent naval ships to the area to show the Chinese they will not be allowed to flout international law. Oh, right, the US has done that, no one else.

SNORT!

Again I agree with G Washington, quit holding other countries hands. Let all of Europe deal with resurgent Russia and Germany under East German Merkel and their natural gas pipeline. You can deal with the Arabian and Iranian problems also. It won’t be long before you are all under the yoke again. You mostly already are under the EU paradigm of elitist bureaucratic control. Switzerland changed their gun laws as demanded by the EU, cowards! The hilarious EU elections of a legislative body that can’t even write its own laws. What a JOKE. Why bother? While you are at it, enforce free trade on the oceans too. I will wait for you bold actions.

SNORT!

The US will be such a wealthy country when we quit squandering our riches protecting the rest of the world from totalitarianism. Thank God for Trump, Hillary would have us so close to communism it would have been almost beyond the point of no return.

Also still waiting for the $22 trillion funds transfer to the US treasury. SNORT!

The US Navy polices most of the world’s oceans for free, maintaining the relatively free flow of global trade, because piracy and privateering didn’t end with the Age of Sail. Without so much as a thank you from the maritime economies that benefit.

The use of NLP, a kind of hypnosis actually, to get people to a common purpose (used to be called group think) is a highly developed technique. Besides its obvious political use, various agencies, firms, have being using this for around 20 years, maybe longer.
That mysterious chorus of “climate leadership” reeks of NLP or a close variant at work. It is applied behavioral psychology to “re-frame” minds, and it can be done even where the subject is not aware of it. Greta et al do indeed seem to be dazed (hypnotized?). Get them into a group, tell a story (“imagine…”) with pauses, hand gestures – any professional hypnotist can spot the technique.
One of it’s clever tricks is to use small “nudges”, lots of little changes to achieve the change they all want, never spelled out though. This is borrowed from Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals (Obama’s advisor).
The money trail leads to the usual big banks, and indeed the little “change agents” do breed like mice all over the place and spread havoc.

What I’ve found is that the vast group of “sheeple” who go along with the climate cult – but don’t actively campaign themselves, are absolutely clueless about the science. What is even more bizarre is many – indeed maybe a majority are highly educated and supposedly knowledgeable about science. Yet if you try to find out why “they” believe what they do, they are unable to come up with a coherent reason. There’s clearly a conflict between what they believe THEY believe … that they have formed a view based on science, and the fact that they have no evidence to support their view.

The classic symptom of someone in this “brainwashed state” … is that if you challenge them, they become aggressive … because they think they believe that the global warming alarmism is science, through repeated indoctrination, but when challenged they find they don’t have a single piece of evidence to support their view. Their only defence is to try to stop the conversation and avoid the subject.

So, it seems to be the obvious way to attempt to address what appears to be cult brainwashing, is to look at how people who have joined cults were “deprogrammed”.

The irony is the educated get selected (they don’t just walk in) for these Common Purpose courses. Just google that and notice it is not just climate – look at the NHS administration for example. It gets really alarming when police, politicians, judiciary, even doctors are found to be “graduates”, covering for each other.

Be carefull chalenging the programmed, especially if they are very young – it could be dangerous for them. NLP is likely in schools – the climate books should be looked at again for that. Are teachers using it? Try challenging a Judge, and watch out!

Heidegger’s students noticed his mesmerizing, but it took Jaspers to bring it to the Forces attention.

It sure looks like that stuff was then co-opted and developed post-war.
NLP sometimes goes wrong, partly catching, resulting in severe problems. Odd CP was told to remove programming from their resume.

The joke is that even when a CP group graduates they do not see thy have been re-framed.
This is exactly Bertrand Russell’s Impact of Science on Society – belief that snow is black or any shade of grey, without knowing where that came from.

I always ask the alarmists if they are willing to bet $100k on catastrophic 5+ feet sea level rise in the next 12-25 years based on their experience with sea level in their lifetimes. (I live near the Oregon Coast.) Strange, no alarmist has taken me up on the offer yet. Easy money right?

Jeff B: “I always ask the alarmists if they are willing to bet $100k on catastrophic 5+ feet sea level rise in the next 12-25 years […]

Like. Like. Like. Like.
There’s no Like button so I can hit the imaginary one as many times as I want to ;o)

I’m in my mid-60s so that 25 year bet might only be payable to my heirs. How about betting them 1 foot in the next 5 years? And make the bet for $5,000. You’d probably get more takers and have a nice bit of mad money to put away for, or use now, in retirement.

Thank you for the cartoon. Now I will have to wait an hour for breakfast because my stomach has curdled.

This is interesting: when my old TV shut off and wouldn’t restart (mother board failed) I decided against having it fixed and put the cable money into more important things. Computers offer more choices for resource information, and the news is usually at the local level anyway, there is no “official source” of anything other than when street crimes or fires – that sort of thing – are reported. The weather is reported as W-E-A-T-H-E-R, not climate and nobody gives a crap about “climate” or has panic attacks over it. What makes it so interesting is that people like me, who don’t have the “boob tube” running all the time and/or don’t pay any attention to it aren’t suckered into that intolerant, reactionary, small/closed-minded, restricted mindset because we’re too cotton-pickin’ busy doing other things and aware that there is more going on i the world that “just one thing”.

If there is a disaster in the making, it will be all those closed minds gathering in one place and being persuaded somehow to commit mass suicide, in the Heaven’s Gate/Jim Jones at Jonestown fashion, as “there is NO hope left, we are all DOOMED, we must all die now”. This is a horrendous idea, but it is not impossible.https://www.brainz.org/10-most-notorious-suicide-cults-history/

This is brainwashing cultism at its worst. The media plays right into it, making it seem “okay” to not question didactic propaganda and people whose attitude is “IT IS IF I SAY IT IS!!!!”

This is not going to end well unless some of these “believers” snap out of it and start questioning that hogwash in public.

Sara, I understand your thought process but it is not mass suicide they are heading towards. They are creating an army of Stepford boys and girls with glassy eyes who will surround your house and mine.

This movement read Mass Hoax is run at the highest levels. By the people who pull the politicians strings. The first people they plan on ‘disappearing’ are the non believers. Mass suicides of the automatons will come later as a population control mechanism.

You completely missed the point of the Stepford wives. They were career-oriented women, married with families, normal in every way, until at some point (after a “romantic weekend”) they suddenly became submissive, docile, and unambitious. The photographer who moves to Stepford with her husband suspects the real women have been replaced by robots, and finds herself threatened by the same thing at the end of the story.

The idiotic mindlessness and “groupthink” of the GReenbeans/CAGWers/Warians/whatever is the result of constant indoctrination. They aren’t robots, not by any mean. They are heavily indoctrinated into believing that the cult they belong to and support is leading them to salvation. they get a cheap thrill and a jolt of adrenaline out of what they do at protests, the same as people who go to rock concerts or political conventions. The groupie smiles on their faces, and the ridiculous things they do like the London protest a few weeks ago, tell you everything about that. And yes, if they were told that the only way to “SAVE THE EARTH’ is to jump off a cliff, or someting similar, they are so indoctrinated that they will do it without questioning why. That is what cults do – demand everything, including self-sacrifice – of their followers.

Frankly, after that incident in Central Park NYC last year – self-immolation in front of a crowd, which included children, in addition to other such odd behaviors (gluing themselves to buildings and sewer covers in traffic) – it is more and more apparent that this entire thing is a cult that demands the same self-sacrifice of its followers. Money and mere obedience won’t be enough.

This is NOTHING – repeat: NOTHING – even vaguely like the Stepford Wives. These people are not robots. They are brainwashed.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but you did NOT acquaint yourself with the Stepford Wives story.

With respect, I think the “automaton replacement” idea of the Stepford Wives story is not as appropriate as looking at certain political episodes in actual history. I am thinking mainly here of Chairman Mao’s Red Guards. Mao’s young “Red Guards” were a significant part of the whole Cultural Revolution mass murder episode in China, see for instance, https://www.thoughtco.com/who-were-chinas-red-guards-195412

Fortunately, we are seeing significant push back against the Left’s brainwashing of children in the democratic countries now. I strongly suspect that lots of the smarter kids will end up being skeptics long before they can be used to cause much in the way of actual mayhem.

As for suicide, one has to wonder how many people of any age are there who really believe the gloom and doom, versus all the ones who are just in it for virtue signalling — or for grinding a political axe against hated oil companies, etc? Isn’t pretty hard to gloat over taxing an oil company to death if you’ve committed suicide?

I’m just guessing about this, but I think what Great “sees” is floaters in her eyes, which are tiny, nearly microscopic, pieces of the retina that occasionally break loose and float around in the vitreous fluid in your eyes.

I have a couple of them, but I ignore them. I haven’t even named them yet, but I was thinking of Fred and Ethel? Maybe we could find a way to put a stop to this idiotic exploitation of this child by outing her mother in a way that she can’t deny what she’s been doing.

Overwhelming guilt complex.
Fracking, coal mines, pipelines, plastic, landfill, oil exploration etc hardly matter in other countries, but in your own country they are evil and must be stamped out.
then if we need the products we can simply import them from the ‘naughty countries’ buy a few carbon credits and then the problem has gone away

Climate is the fear object but the goal is power and authority for their collective group.

The Republic is in serious decline, they’ve had enough of the restrictions. They want to apply their superiority without input from the rest. “Settled science” means they do what they want for your own good. Dissent will be punished under the same rationale.

I wrote, “In contrast to current models suggesting global warming will cause wild weather swings Mann concluded “the Little Ice Age may have been more significant in terms of increased variability of the climate”.

But Peter Meisler refused to believe his hero would say such a thing. So, as he often does, Meisler accused my honest quote as a fabrication. He emailed Mann who replied with the following

“Hi Peter,
I have no idea what the source is, but I’m sure it is being taken out of context and misrepresented if its being quoted by climate change deniers. I was probably simply referring to the fact that there was more interannual variability (due for example to the large number of volcanic eruptions) during that time frame. I have no idea how that could be spun to support contrarian views about climate change. Only if they don’t understand the point. Which is almost certain.”

Perhaps Mann is suffering from extreme memory loss but here is a link to his quote:

I too was simply referring to the fact there was “was more interannual variability” during the LIA. But Meisler also denies the facts and thus pathetically and constantly tries to accuse me of being dishonest. But every time it has been shown Meisler is the dishonest one, or just a complete idiot, or perhaps both.

My view of recent years is that Leftism and Rightism are things you drift towards based on how your brain is wired.

You do not become a Left because of what you believe, you are a Left because of the way you process ideas.

Lefts tend to believe in broad terms that things would be better if only they were in charge. They – or at least the people they like spending time with – know best. They know best because they are correct.

Now the motivation behind this thinking is open to discussion. Some no doubt honestly believe that doing ‘x’ makes the world a nicer and fairer place and hence it is their morale duty to make everyone agree to ‘x’. They no doubt mean well.

Also however you get the ones who start to enjoy the ‘if we were in charge’ part of the ‘solution’ a little too much. They may justify what they are going by labelling it ‘The Greater Good’ (The Greater Good) but the desire to command – and the perks that go with it – is very strong. None of which is any real problem because they of course ‘know best’ and are clearly ‘correct’.

This belief that ‘they know best’ is unfortunately what drives them to be such horrible people. They Know Best. This is a major cornerstone to their lives. Everything is clearly ‘correct’ or ‘false’ and since they clearly Know Best everything else is clearly False. Not open to discussion, or a new way of thinking, just False.

And it has to be False because since They Know Best to admit that they don’t actually know best is to confess that a very large part of their lives has been a complete lie. Since this is such a self destructive situation the easiest way to deal with this is to double down on the Know Best and attack anyone who disagrees with them because they are WRONG and not only WRONG but attempting to destroy them personally.

Lefties talk in non self aware paradoxes. They tell people to be more open minded, but what they really mean is ‘you disagree with me and I don’t like it’. They tell people to be tolerant and inclusive, and then shut out anyone who challenges their status.

They tend to be humourless, possibly because since they refuse to even deal with outsiders they never developed the skills in making strangers laugh as a non hostile ice breaker. They don’t want to deal with strangers and their False ideas, so why get friendly with them?

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