dantezebu wrote:Both quotes from OTH on the subject of the Gaspars statements:

"But suppose you made a statement like the Gaspar one and you realised by now that it was just a big misunderstanding (guys can be very silly when they've had a few drinks), how would you feel that your original statement has been sent around the world for everyone to read? Not even a retraction would repair the damage between you and your (former) friends"

"The problem that someone may decide not to go to the police with their suspicions for fear of the fact that, if they are wrong, it may have terrible repercussions when that statement is made public and they are outed as a witness, as happened in this case when it was shelved"

I don't know who he is or what he does, but what was this all about?

guys being silly???Gaspars made a mistake?terrible repercusions?? for who?

All sounds a little personal to me.

Yes OTH seems very concerned about the effects of such statements being made public. But he/she doesn't seem to have any concern about the effects of Team McCann's various statements on the lives of others e.g. Amaral. And oddly for a UK media person, he/she shows absolutely no concern about the use of secret court orders in this case. Once again I invite OTH to condemn the secret court order (made when the McCanns were still arguidos) instructing all official agencies to co-operate with them (this order was revealed during the McCanns v Leics Police case).

Why is OTH on here?

Even Cristobell admits that she can't name anything 'positive' he has brought here, she simply says she has high hopes because he says he is a journalist.To those who will no doubt accuse me of being unfair, sarcastic, beastly to newbies etc. etc., I have to admit that I have a very low threshold for time-wasters

and we all know who they are TB. So, so tiresome.

I would never take anyone at face value either on internet or real life. No way Jose.

You would think someone with intellect would never take anyone at face value screen name or real name, but apparently NOT.

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

I dont take every word he uttered deadpan-like at face value, but I have faith he will do his job properly deadpan face and all.

What do you base this faith on aiyoyo? I think the strings are being pulled at a much higher level, however with the Portuguese re-opening the case it may be a bit more difficult to mop up and close (as such).

IMO there's not going to be a "mop-up". There's a genuine effort to solve this case, I think. To be on the safe side, though, I'd just advise people getting close, maybe not take a walk in the woods until it's over

@Woofer wrote:@ Daisy - What does "fill ya boots" mean? I`ve never heard it before - is it a Yorkshire term?

I can't claim it as a Yorkshire saying Woofer, not sure where it originates (can't be arsed looking) but it means Knock yourself out, Get your fill, that sort of thing. Nothing disrespectful you understand.

I understand. Something to do with having to take it at face value right ?

Here in East Yorkshire "Fill my boots" is a common expression. My husband's cousin is a prolific and (in?)famous antiques dealer locally. When I spoke to him in the summer he was talking about an antiques fair he was heading down to over the weekend. "I'm off down to Newark to fill me boots", he beamed, rubbing his hands together. Round these parts it means 'get rich quick' or to find oneself overflowing with too much treasure to carry. I.e., after cramming your pockets with loot and carrying as much as you can, you resort to 'filling your boots' with even more.

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

What sort of expression were you guys expecting, the man is a fairly high ranking police officer working on a very high profile case. The deadpan give nothing away/extremely serious face is par for the course, what else could he realistically do, smile?

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

What sort of expression were you guys expecting, the man is a fairly high ranking police officer working on a very high profile case. The deadpan give nothing away/extremely serious face is par for the course, what else could he realistically do, smile?

Yeah, why not? "Others" managed it a mere few days after a major trauma. There are photos to prove it. Go on Andy, show us yer knashers!

That is not deadpan to me, but a face that expresses determination and resolve. Something in the eyes and the set of the mouth. No I did not expect a smile but that to me is not a neutral expression. Just my opinion as always. !

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The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.~John F. Kennedy

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

What sort of expression were you guys expecting, the man is a fairly high ranking police officer working on a very high profile case. The deadpan give nothing away/extremely serious face is par for the course, what else could he realistically do, smile?

Always look into the eyes. That's where you see the soul. I agree he looks conflicted, but only in so far as he has a very difficult thing to face. The whole stance has been 'favour the McCanns' and he has to break the (bad) news.

It's an interesting mixture of facial expressions.However ... now that even the French local have decided, that it's time to stop fireworks and my dogs have settled down again, I beg to take my leave and go have some sleep too.So, I'll be back tomorrow :-)

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

What sort of expression were you guys expecting, the man is a fairly high ranking police officer working on a very high profile case. The deadpan give nothing away/extremely serious face is par for the course, what else could he realistically do, smile?

Always look into the eyes. That's where you see the soul. I agree he looks conflicted, but only in so far as he has a very difficult thing to face. The whole stance has been 'favour the McCanns' and he has to break the (bad) news.

I sincerely hope you guys are right however I have serious doubts that truth and justice will prevail.

OT Happy New Year to one and all, hopefully we will see justice for Maddie and victory for Amaral

@Woofer wrote:@ Daisy - What does "fill ya boots" mean? I`ve never heard it before - is it a Yorkshire term?

I can't claim it as a Yorkshire saying Woofer, not sure where it originates (can't be arsed looking) but it means Knock yourself out, Get your fill, that sort of thing. Nothing disrespectful you understand.

Ta Daisy........ No, I`m sure you`d never be disrespectful.

____________________The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear - Jiddu Krishnamurti

@Woofer wrote:@ Daisy - What does "fill ya boots" mean? I`ve never heard it before - is it a Yorkshire term?

I can't claim it as a Yorkshire saying Woofer, not sure where it originates (can't be arsed looking) but it means Knock yourself out, Get your fill, that sort of thing. Nothing disrespectful you understand.

I understand. Something to do with having to take it at face value right ?

Here in East Yorkshire "Fill my boots" is a common expression. My husband's cousin is a prolific and (in?)famous antiques dealer locally. When I spoke to him in the summer he was talking about an antiques fair he was heading down to over the weekend. "I'm off down to Newark to fill me boots", he beamed, rubbing his hands together. Round these parts it means 'get rich quick' or to find oneself overflowing with too much treasure to carry. I.e., after cramming your pockets with loot and carrying as much as you can, you resort to 'filling your boots' with even more.

Sorry,

Eeek! well I didn't quite mean it that way. But looking into the etymology of the saying it is very varied. I read another suggestion that said:

"The phrase originated with the English Cavaliers, who wore thigh-high riding boots. When drinking, rather than stepping outside to relieve himself, a Cavalier apparently had the option of doing so into his boots. Thus, "filling his boots" meant he could drink all he wanted without leaving the table."

____________________“Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.” Unknown

“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”

@Woofer wrote:@ Daisy - What does "fill ya boots" mean? I`ve never heard it before - is it a Yorkshire term?

I can't claim it as a Yorkshire saying Woofer, not sure where it originates (can't be arsed looking) but it means Knock yourself out, Get your fill, that sort of thing. Nothing disrespectful you understand.

Ta Daisy........ No, I`m sure you`d never be disrespectful.

You seem to have a problem with me Woofer? Can we sort it out now instead of carrying it into a new year?

____________________“Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them and you have their shoes.” Unknown

“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.”

@Woofer wrote:@ Daisy - What does "fill ya boots" mean? I`ve never heard it before - is it a Yorkshire term?

I can't claim it as a Yorkshire saying Woofer, not sure where it originates (can't be arsed looking) but it means Knock yourself out, Get your fill, that sort of thing. Nothing disrespectful you understand.

Ta Daisy........ No, I`m sure you`d never be disrespectful.

You seem to have a problem with me Woofer? Can we sort it out now instead of carrying it into a new year?

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

I dont take every word he uttered deadpan-like at face value, but I have faith he will do his job properly deadpan face and all.

What do you base this faith on aiyoyo? I think the strings are being pulled at a much higher level, however with the Portuguese re-opening the case it may be a bit more difficult to mop up and close (as such).

Well, on the silly belief that the eyes of an enlightened person do not blink.

@russiandoll wrote:I will take this guy at face value........look at that expression, a picture painting a thousand words imo . You go Redwood !

That is a very determined face and scary I would imagine to anyone with something to hide. I felt a distinct change in tone when they did the Crimewatch update, and that picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

What sort of expression were you guys expecting, the man is a fairly high ranking police officer working on a very high profile case. The deadpan give nothing away/extremely serious face is par for the course, what else could he realistically do, smile?

Always look into the eyes. That's where you see the soul. I agree he looks conflicted, but only in so far as he has a very difficult thing to face. The whole stance has been 'favour the McCanns' and he has to break the (bad) news.

Eddie and Keela alerted to items and places concerned with the McCanns - and importantly to no other items or places.

According to Eddie and Keela, the body of Madeleine McCann lay lifeless behind the sofa in Apartment 5a, clinging to the only thing from which she could derive any comfort; a soft toy called 'Cuddle cat'.

Kate's book 'madeleine', Page 219: "Did they really believe that a dog could smell the 'odour of death' three months later from a body that had been so swiftly removed?"

After forensic analysis of the 'Last Photo' there is little doubt now that the pool photo CANNOT POSSIBLY have been taken on the Thursday 3rd May, but most likely on the Sunday 29th April. So, where was Madeleine at lunchtime on Thursday?

John McCann:"This was terrible for them, Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: "Maddy's jammies, where is Maddy?"Martin Roberts:"If Madeleine's pyjamas had not, in fact, been abducted then neither had Madeleine McCann."Dr Martin Roberts: A Nightwear Job

Death Toll in McCann Case

Gerry McCann called for an example to be made of 'trolls'. SKY reporter Martin Brunt doorstepped Brenda Leyland on 2 October 2014 after a 'Dossier' was handed in to Police by McCann supporters. She was then found dead in a Leicester hotel room the next day. Brenda paid the price.

Colin Shalke died suddenly in mysterious circumstances with a significant amount of morphine in his system. At the Inquest the coroner said there was no evidence as to how he had come to take morphine, and no needle mark was found.

Ex-Met DCI Andy Redwood had a "revelation moment" on BBC1's Crimewatch on 14th October 2013 when he announced that Operation Grange had eliminated the Tanner sighting - which opened up the 'window' of opportunity' from 3 mins to 45 mins, in accordance with their remit, to allow the staged abduction to happen.

Dr Gonçalo Amaral, retired PJ Coordinator: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened, they don't need to investigate anything. When MI5 opens their files, then we will know the truth."

Tracey Kandohla: "A McCann pal told The Sun Online: "Some of the savings have been siphoned off from the Find Maddie Fund into a fixed asset account, which financial experts have advised them to do. It can be used for purchases like buying a house or building equipment."

The McCanns, Operation Grange and the BBC are all working towards one goal - to make us keep looking at what happened (or didn't happen) on 3rd May, instead of looking at what happened days earlier. There is NO evidence of an abduction. Smithman is ALL they have got. Without that, they are sunk. No wonder Operation Grange clings on to Smithman...