Proportions: 1 male in 15 (apx, it's less than 1:10 but more than 1:20, ok?) is homosexual, right? So if the ratio of molestation were the same for het & hom, there'd be a LOT less boys molested by males. idk why you guys cannot see that.

#3 I've never said anything of the sort: I've simply applied reasoning to the numbers.

@Cajun: Anomalies are normal in evolution! In prosperous times they help keep the population from getting too high. In tough times they die off early, Mother Nature's Rules.

Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:29:33 PM@5Cats: 1 - I listed my source in regards to 3 to 1 ratio so I stand by them. The 2nd source was from a survey in San Francisco. I’ll be more than happy to provide additional backup for my claims as the ratio is valid based on other surveys.

2 - You assume every episode of abuse was by one perp and there is no repeat offender. I am only going to the extreme to illustrate my point, theatrically ever instance of SCA could have been committed by only one person. Obviously this is not the case however it is generally believed that those who sexually abuse young kids are repeat offenders. (David Lisak, a psychologist from the University of Massachusetts).

3. I have yet to see any “hard facts” that show homosexuality leads to pedophilia.

60% male assaults on boys. Yet homosexuals are less than 10% of the male population, correct? That's still a massive over-representation. Not 5X but more like 8X!! I note that the F>girl is 6%, which is actually about the % of female homosexuals, a little less even.

So thanks for the info, you've (inadvertantly I presume) proven my overall point!! Even increased it!!!

Sunday, May 20, 2012 3:09:19 PM@5Cats 1 - In regards to a male being born attractive to females is not a learned response, it's more of a chemical (ie phermons) and the way we are programmed.

2 - According to American Journal of Preventive Medicine , in an article entitled: "Long-Term Consequences of Childhood Sexual Abuse by Gender of Victim" pages 430-438, females were responsible for 40% of the male childhood sexual abuse. Your numbers thus are not logical.

Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:55:27 PMmost pedophiles commit their acts against someone they know very closely.@Cajun that has nothing to do with the "Born that way" arguement. It just means people like to have sex with people they know, most of the time. Drunken nights in Vegas aside...

I am attracted to grown women. I was born this way.No @jtreb, you weren't. You've been socialized since you were very young, and learned to do what "the pack" does, just like animals, since humans ARE animals after all...

@Cajun: if 3X more girls are molested than boys, but there's 15X more hetero- than homo- men (assuming the number of females molesting children is low) then it's 5X more likely that a homo- man will molest a child. It's not reality but that's how it works.

Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:45:13 AMAngilion: Those politicians you refer to typically speak out against anything that deviates from a heterosexual relationship or heteronormativity. So no a heterosexual politician who loudly denounces homosexual activity while satisfying their own sexual curiosity is still a hypocrite.

Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:30:33 AM@Viking: So girls are 3X more likely, but male heteros outnumber homos by about 15X, so that means a homo man is 5X more likely to molest than a hetero man. BY YOUR FIGURES (I'm making no such claim, I'm pointing out what his facts mean, ok?)

Thanks @Angilion! This is about logic and reasoning, I'm glad someone 'gets it!'

@Gerry1: From the 'born vs learned' threads. The 'born' side consistantly claimed that gay acts 'made you gay' in both humans and animals, k? Applying that reasoning here, men having gay sex with boys = homosexual, period.

PLUS the pedophiles also claim to be "born that way" which is what gets my nickers in a knot when the homosexualists do it!!

So...next time a politician who speaks against homosexuality is found to have been having homosexual sex often and is publically derided as a hypocrite as a result, ruining their political career, who here is going to speak out in their favour and say they're not hypocrites?

You're going to do that, Cajun247? After all, you think that those men are NOT homosexual, right? They're not having romantic homosexual relationships, they're having homosexual sex.

Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:59:40 AMIf gays want every kid to try it, why are all the pedophiles straight men?

They're not, obviously. You're just showing your own irrational prejudice, just like someone saying that all the paedophiles are gay men, or someone saying that all drug dealers aren't "whites", or someone saying that all abusers of any kind are male. Same prejudice, different groups - "all <bad thing> is done by <target group>". Or, if you take it a bit further, "all <target group> do <bad thing>".

Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:26:10 PM"...and maybe is forced..." Every child? Like we make them go to school or brush their teeth? This guy sounds authoritative on the subject. We should totally take him seriously. 5cats too.

Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:01:55 PMOh, those gay men over there doing homosexual acts are not REALLY gay men

Of course not, they're called MSM. Being straight or gay doesn't just entail sexual behavoir it's romantic as well. The word "bisexual" also has different meaning pending on context. A bisexual person is capable of having romantic relationships with either gender or simply has no preference either way, whereas a bisexual act can involve both sexes.

Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:59:09 PMNobody is denying that Pedophile Groups exist, however saying that gays drive pedophile an outright falsehood. THe University of New Hampshire published a Sexual Abuse Factsheet (by Emily M. Douglas and David Finkelhor) that show girls are 3x's more likely to be a victim of sexual abuse then a boy will. Using the logic that some anti-gay activist use, then being heterosexual is 3 times more likely to cause pedophile then being homosexual.