Look at midwinters thok screenshot from the previous page and where their warlocks are...not a knock against midwinter's warlocks at all, but give method's warlocks credit, those are some of the best locks in the world (blat/spark are beast).

Of course being troll helps too =P

I think you give them too much credit. The game is not so hard that good players can't execute everything near perfection. Method warlocks seems to have better trinkets than BL warlocks.

Edit: Ah, you were talking about midwinter and not BL, but anyway that might be the case for midwinter also. And just looked the screenshot, you really can't draw a conclusion from that. Those warlocks could have died mid fight, there is no way they would be otherwise be at the middle unless they are pretty terrible players which I can't believe.

I think you give them too much credit. The game is not so hard that good players can't execute everything near perfection. Method warlocks seems to have better trinkets than BL warlocks.

Edit: Ah, you were talking about midwinter and not BL, but anyway that might be the case for midwinter also. And just looked the screenshot, you really can't draw a conclusion from that. Those warlocks could have died mid fight, there is no way they would be otherwise be at the middle unless they are pretty terrible players which I can't believe.

Perhaps I am, and I agree that players in the top guilds typically all perform +1/-1 of each other for their respective classes, but on a fight where you have to deal with A LOT of 1 second pulsing interrupts and constant movement, I feel that only the very best can squeeze out that much more inbetween all of that (not to mention if you watch method's video, there are plenty of times sparkz the warlock was getting interrupted/out of range so theoretically he could actually be doing more).

It's kinda silly that a racial can make or break a fight. I really hope Blizzard just removes all the raid affecting racials from the game next expansion. There's really no reason for them in the game, it's not even like they help with leveling or do anything cool. It's just a straight up PvE nerf to not have horde racials.

It's kinda silly that a racial can make or break a fight. I really hope Blizzard just removes all the raid affecting racials from the game next expansion. There's really no reason for them in the game, it's not even like they help with leveling or do anything cool. It's just a straight up PvE nerf to not have horde racials.

I was actually wondering the same thing, does mages suffer more from the p1 (unability to cast ?)
Also their only mage during this whole progress is Vykina, not that many instant in fire so that might be the problem here.

I'm just guessing though, but seeing BL without any mages on Thok seem to indicate a trend.

Don't take much note of it there isn't any reason in particular to not bring a mage, Fire Mage is probably one of the highest DPS on that boss, you lose almost nothing from the interrupts if you time casts well.

It's starting to seem likely that first Siegecrafter kill will be by an Asian guild (Stars or Kin raiders, both at 11/14) and then this thread will devolve into a shitstorm about them playing a different game due to double lockouts, item levels etc. Which is pretty much correct. It's just highly annoying, they should be part of the exact same race and I have no idea why Blizzard is creating different standards for them.