In Defense Of My Hellenic Brothers And Sisters - The Christianization Of Greece

This is my second post about Greece and Her history. I admire Greece and Greek People as this is a country which has had an extremely rough history which should have dissolved the country into the ocean but kept alive with a strong beating heart at the center of it all-The Greek People. I recently did a report on the "Christianization Of Northern and Southern Europe". The christianization of Northern Europe(Sweden, Norge, Danmark, Suomi etc) is a report within itself as I will create a different thread sometime to explain this better as the People of Northern Europe have a unique history as well and are also a unconquerable People, with extreme respect and gratitude from my heart. Here, I shall focus only on the christianization of Greece. I've recently found a time line of Greece's history during the christianization period by a Greek man named Florin Achaios. Here, Mr. Achaios gives a brief explanation of what happened during the giving year. There are several different countries also included, but this mainly concerns Greece and Greek history. Mr. Achaios to my knowledge is not a WN. Many modern day Christians are unaware of any of this so let's take a look at "The Christianization Of Greece and Other Southern Countries".

314*Immediately after its full legalisation, the Christian Church attacks the gentiles (non-Christians). The Council of Ancyra denounces the worship of Goddess Artemis.

324*The emperor Constantine declares Christianity as the only official religion of the Roman empire. In Dydima, Minor Asia, he sacks the Oracle of the god Apollo and tortures the Pagan priests to death. He also evicts all non-Christian peoples from Mount Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic temples.

326*Constantine, following the instructions of his mother Helen, destroys the temple of the god Asclepius in Aigeai of Cilicia and many temples of the goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Aphaca, Mambre, Phœnicia, Baalbek, etc.

330*Constantine steals the treasures and statues of the Pagan temples of Greece to decorate Nova Roma (Constantinople), the new capital of his Empire.

335*Constantine sacks many Pagan temples of Minor Asia and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of “all magicians and soothsayers”. Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.

341*Flavius Julius Constantius persecutes “all the soothsayers and the Hellenists”. Many gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.

346*New large scale persecutions against non-Christian peoples in Constantinople. Banishment of the famous orator Libanius accused as a “magician”.

353*An edict of Constantius orders the death penalty for all kind of worship through sacrifices and “idols”.

354 *A new edict orders the closing of all the Pagan temples. Some of them are profaned and turned into brothels or gambling rooms. Executions of Pagan priests.

354*A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the Pagan temples and the execution of all “idolaters”. First burning of libraries in various cities of the empire. The first lime factories are being organised next to the closed Pagan temples. A major part of the holy architecture of the Pagans turns to lime.

357*Constantius outlaws all methods of divination (astrology not excluded).

359*In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested non-Christians from all around the empire.

361 to 363*Religious tolerance and restoration of the Pagan cults declared in Constantinople (11th December 361) by the Pagan emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus.

363*Assassination of Julianus (26th June).

364*Emperor Flavius Jovianus orders the burning of the Library of Antioch.

364*An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all those that worship their ancestral gods or practice divination (“sileat omnibus perpetuo divinandi curiositas”). Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the Pagan temples and the death penalty for participation in Pagan rituals, even private ones.

370*Valens orders a tremendous persecution of non-Christian peoples in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other non-Christians, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire. All the friends of Julianus are persecuted (Orebasius, Sallustius, Pegasius etc.), the philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated.

372 Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.

373*New prohibition of all divination methods. The term “Pagan” (pagani, villagers, equivalent to the modern insult, “peasants”) is introduced by the Christians to demean non-believers.

375*The temple of god Asclepius in Epidaurus, Greece, is closed down by the Christians.

380*On 27th February, Christianism becomes the exclusive religion of the Roman empire by an edict of the emperor Flavius Theodosius the Great (379-395*AD), requiring that:

All the various nations which are subject to our clemency and moderation should continue in the profession of that religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter.

The non-Christians are called “loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind”. In another edict, Theodosius calls “insane” those that do not believe to the Christian God and outlaws all disagreements with the Church dogmas. Ambrosius, bishop of Milan, starts destroying all the Pagan temples of his area. The Christian priests lead the hungry mob against the temple of goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus. The 95 years old hierophant Nestorius ends the Eleusinian Mysteries and announces the predominance of mental darkness over the human race.

381*On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights the Christians that return back to the Pagan religion. In all the Eastern Empire the Pagan temples and Libraries are looted or burned down. On 21st December, Theodosius outlaws even simple visits to the temples of the Hellenes. In Constantinople, the temple of goddess Aphrodite is turned to a brothel and the temples of Sun and Artemis to stables.

382*“Hellelujah” (“Glory to Yahweh”) is imposed in the Christian mass.

384*Theodosius orders the Praetorian Prefect Maternus Cynegius, a dedicated Christian, to cooperate with the local bishops and destroy the temples of the Pagans in Northern Greece and Minor Asia.

385 to 388*Maternus Cynegius, encouraged by his fanatic wife, and bishop “Saint” Marcellus with his gangs scour the countryside and sack and destroy hundreds of Hellenic temples, shrines and altars. Among others they destroy the temple of Edessa, the Cabeireion of Imbros, the temple of Zeus in Apamea, the temple of Apollo in Dydima and all the temples of Palmyra. Thousands of innocent Pagans from all sides of the empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.

388*Theodosius ordered to be burnt Porphyry's (c232-c300*AD) Treatise against the Christians.

388*Public talks on religious subjects are outlawed by Theodosius. The old orator Libanius sends his famous epistle “Pro Templis” to Theodosius with the hope that the few remaining Hellenic temples will be respected and spared.

389 to 390*All non-Christian date-methods are outlawed. Hordes of fanatic hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, libraries and Pagan temples, and lynch the Pagans. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against non-Christian peoples, turns the temple of Dionysos into a Christian church, burns down the Mithraeum of the city, destroys the temple of Zeus and burlesques the Pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.

391*On 24th February, a new edict of Theodosius prohibits not only visits to Pagan temples but also looking at the vandalised statues. New heavy persecutions all around the empire. In Alexandria, Egypt, Pagans, led by the philosopher Olympius, revolt and after some street fights they lock themselves inside the fortified temple of god Serapis (the Serapeion). After a violent siege, the Christians take over the building, demolish it, burn its famous library and profane the cult images.

392*On 8th November, Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them “superstitions of the gentiles” (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions against Pagans. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop “Saint” Epiphanius and “Saint” Tychon destroy almost all the temples of the island and exterminate thousands of non-Christians. The local Mysteries of goddess Aphrodite are ended. Theodosius’s edict declares: “the ones that won’t obey pater Epiphanius have no right to keep living in that island”. The Pagans revolt against the emperor and the Church in Petra, Aeropolis, Rafia, Gaza, Baalbek and other cities of the Middle East.

393*The Pythian Games, the Aktia Games and the Olympic Games are outlawed as part of the Hellenic “idolatry”. The Christians sack the temples of Olympia.

395*Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against Pagans. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of the baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable gentile Hellenes and burn down all the temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).

396*On 7th December, a new edict by Arcadius orders that Paganism be treated as high treason. Imprisonment of the few remaining Pagan priests and hierophants.

397*“Demolish them!”. Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing Pagan temples to be demolished.

398*The Fourth Church Council of Carthage prohibits to everybody, including to the Christian bishops, the study of the books of the Pagans. Porphyrius, bishop of Gaza, demolishes almost all the Pagan temples of his city (except 9 of them that remain active).

399 With a new edict (13th July) Flavius Arcadius orders all the still standing Pagan temples, mainly in the countryside, to be immediately demolished.

400*Bishop Nicetas destroys the Oracle of the god Dionysus in Vesai and baptises all the non-Christians of this area.

401*The Christian mob of Carthage lynches non-Christians and destroys temples and “idols”. In Gaza too, the local bishop “Saint” Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch Pagans and to demolish the remaining 9 still active temples of the city. The 15th Council of Chalkedon orders all the Christians that still keep good relations with their gentile relatives to be excommunicated (even after their death).

405*John Chrysostom sends hordes of gray dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the “idols” in all the cities of Palestine.

406*John Chrysostom collects funds from rich Christian women to financially support the demolition of the Hellenic temples. In Ephessus he orders the destruction of the famous temple of goddess Artemis. In Salamis, Cyprus, “Saints” Epiphanius and Eutychius continue the persecutions of the Pagans and the total destruction of their temples and sanctuaries.

407*A new edict outlaws once more all the non-Christian acts of worship

408*The emperor of the Western Empire, Honorius, and the emperor of the Eastern Empire, Arcadius, order together all the sculptures of the Pagan temples to be either destroyed or to be taken away. Private ownership of Pagan sculpture is also outlawed. The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the Pagans and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the Pagans are also persecuted. “Saint” Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting Pagans in Calama, Algeria.

409*Another edict orders all methods of divination including astrology to be punished by death.

415*In Alexandria, Egypt, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyrillus, attacks a few days before the Judaeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron. On 30th August, new persecutions start against all the Pagan priests of North Africa who end their lives either crucified or burned alive.

416*The inquisitor Hypatius, alias “The Sword of God”, exterminates the last Pagans of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.

423*Emperor Theodosius*II declares (8th June) that the religion of the Pagans is nothing more than “demon worship” and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.

429*The temple of goddess Athena (Parthenon) on the Acropolis of Athens is sacked. The Athenian Pagans are persecuted.

435*On 14th November, a new edict by Theodosius*II orders the death penalty for all “heretics” and Pagans of the empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian religion.

438*Theodosius*II issues an new edict (31st January) against the Pagans, incriminating their “idolatry” as the reason of a recent plague!

440 to 450*The Christians demolish all the monuments, altars and temples of Athens, Olympia, and other Greek cities.

448*Theodosius*II orders all non-Christian books to be burned. All copies of Julian’s work which could be found were destroyed, and they would have been lost entirely if bishop Cyril of Alexandria (376-444*AD), had not cited extracts from the first three of seven of Julian’s books in his refutation of him, while admitting that he would not cite some of his srguments!

450*All the temples of Aphrodisias (the City of the Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).

451*New edict by Theodosius*II (4th November) emphasises that “idolatry” is punished by death.

457 to 491*Sporadic persecutions against the Pagans of the Eastern Empire. Among others, the physician Jacobus and the philosopher Gessius are executed. Severianus, Herestios, Zosimus, Isidorus and others are tortured and imprisoned. The proselytiser Conon and his followers exterminate the last non-Christians of Imbros Island, Norheast Aegean Sea. The last worshippers of Lavranius Zeus are exterminated in Cyprus.

482 to 488*The majority of the Pagans of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the emperor and the Church.

515*Baptism becomes obligatory even for those that already say they are Christians. The emperor of Constantinople, Anastasius, orders the massacre of the Pagans in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the temple of local god Theandrites.

528*Emperor Jutprada (Justinianus) outlaws the “alternative” Olympian Games of Antioch. He also orders the execution—by fire, crucifixion, tearing to pieces by wild beasts or cutting to pieces by iron nails—of all who practice “sorcery, divination, magic or idolatry” and prohibits all teachings by the Pagans (“the ones suffering from the blasphemous insanity of the Hellenes”).

529*Justinianus outlaws the Athenian Philosophical Academy and has its property confiscated.

532*The inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus, a fanatic monk, leads a crusade against the Pagans of Minor Asia.

542*Justinianus allows the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus to convert the Pagans of Phrygia, Caria and Lydia, Minor Asia. Within 35 years of this crusade, 99 churches and 12 monasteries are built on the sites of demolished Pagan temples.

546*Hundreds of Pagans are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.

556*Justinianus orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last non-Christians of the city and burn all the private libraries down.

578 to 582*The Christians torture and crucify gentile Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last non-Christians of Heliopolis (Baalbek).

580 The Christian inquisitors attack a secret temple of Zeus in Antioch. The priest commits suicide, but the rest of the Pagans are arrested. All the prisoners, the Vice Governor Anatolius included, are tortured and sent to Constantinople to face trial. Sentenced to death they are thrown to the lions. The wild animals being unwilling to tear them to pieces, they end up crucified. Their dead bodies are dragged in the streets by the Christian mob and afterwards thrown unburied in the dump.

583*New persecutions against the gentile Hellenes by the Mauricius.

590*In all the Eastern Empire the Christian accusers “discover” Pagan conspiracies. New storm of torture and executions.

692*The “Penthekto” Council of Constantinople prohibits the remains of Calends, Brumalia, Anthesteria, and other Pagan/Dionysian celebrations.

804*The gentile Hellenes of Mesa Mani (Cape Tainaron, Lakonia, Greece) resist successfully the attempt of Tarasius, Patriarch of Constantinople, to convert them to Christianity.
950 to 988*Violent conversion of the last gentile Hellenes of Laconia by the Armenian “Saint” Nikon.
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I find it interesting that many of the people who were "saints" actually were not "saintly" at all. Growing up attending nine years of Catholic school, I was taught that Constantine was a good man and a savior of civilization. How far from the truth could that be.

Re: In Defense Of My Hellenic Brothers And Sisters - The Christianization Of Greece

I imagine that's a pretty accurate check-list of how Christianity gained power in Europe. That would have been the same sort of 'hardball' any new 'imposed' cultural paradigm would need to employ. These were the methods that were used in the 'Hellanization' of the Near East, and the later 'Romanization' of Europe. Societies are like metal, and can only be reforged in FIRE.

Anyone who desires the 'removal' of the current global power structure needs to re-read that list, internalize it, and commit to do whatever they must... theoretically of course!

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Originally Posted by Vinternatt1785

950 to 988*Violent conversion of the last gentile Hellenes of Laconia by the Armenian “Saint” Nikon.

Whole lot of blood shed, far too many temples desecrated.. but always found the fixation of those that claim to be Hellines "ethnikoi" really annoying.. since distortions aren't something that honor our ancestors nor are they actually needed to prove whats evident.. Christianity was forced upon them..

What I mean when I say distortions:
The Maniates had already converted during the rule of Basileios Makedon 860's since as Konstantinos Porphyrogennitos in his 'De Administrando Imperio' p.54 tells us:

the Maniates which are not Slavs but descendants of the older "Romans" who 'till this day call themselves Hellenes practiced idolatry like their ancestors untill Basileios baptized them and they became Christians

So its impossible for Nikon to have persecuted them since they had alredy converted almost a century earlier.

great thread none the less

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Re: In Defense Of My Hellenic Brothers And Sisters - The Christianization Of Greece

Excellent OP! You've really gone into detail about Christianity's shameful, disgusting, intolerant and violently invasive takeover of our ancient European societies. Their imposition of the Jew's creed and the Jewish god will not be forgiven, ever.

After reading such a list, one can only wonder in painful desolation and sadness at the CENTURIES of scientific, literary, philosophical, historical and geographical knowledge forever lost because of these utter creeps of eastern Jewish superstition and violence. Those persecuted philosophers and thinkers of the fourth century were the best of their era by far, and few of their works survive because of their criminally insane enemies.

Christianity is truly the Communism of Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Though unfortunately now (in light of our race-related struggle) it's unreasonable to want our people to completely shed Christianity (it is, sadly, a part of Europe's heritage now) it will have to be fully excised from our White Nationalist societies in the future.

This is how I look at it: Christianity has suffered massive blows in the past 50 years. It has been largely eradicated by a focused, nefarious Jewish effort to undermine our people's collective conscience. Though I despise those who did this, we have to be pragmatic. Let us use this opportunity to distance ourselves as fully as possible from Christianity (while proclaiming religious freedom and tolerance for Whites - Pagans and Christians, your belief, your business). In time we'll be able to fully remove the alien creed of Christianity from our societies.

Then the Jews will realize that having a bunch of Pagans who hate their guts because they forced the Christian lie on our ancestors, will be a lot worse than having some docile, turn-the-other-cheek meek Christians who worship a Jew. I believe that the secularization of our society was a grave mistake for the Jews, and they'll pay for it dearly. Christians, though sometimes violent with the Jews, still respected them as "people of the book" and as the original Old Testament people and all that pointless crap. Pagans will have no qualms about any such "relations". The Jews are full 100% aliens to us and shall be treated as such. No quarter for the invader.

Does this attitude apply to the "invasive" takeover of societies by the Greeks, and later the Romans, or are your 'issues' just with Christians?

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Originally Posted by Transilvanian

Their imposition of the Jew's creed and the Jewish god will not be forgiven, ever.

Equating Christianity with the Old Testament beliefs of the Hebrews is a bit like claiming English is actually Phoenician. The core values shift dramatically in the New Testament. See Johann Andreas Eisenmenger's The Traditions of the Jews.

On top of that, modern Judaism is profoundly different than the Old Testament beliefs, nor are most modern Jews descendants of the ancient Hebrews. See Michael Hoffman's Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit.

Atheism and alternative religions, including the poorly researched romantic drivel that is neo-Paganism, is in fact, much more than Christianity, doing the bidding of the Jew.

"...we are reeducating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, we shall not overtly lay a finger on existing churches, but we shall fight against them by criticism calculated to produce schism..."

from Protocol #17 of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

What do you think they mean by "new" TRADITIONAL religions!?

Here's another fun fact to know and share,

"Surveys of Neopagans have shown that they are more than twice as likely to be of Jewish background than of any other."

from Witchcraft Today: An Encyclopedia of Wiccan and Neopagan Traditions by James R. Lewis pp.162

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Originally Posted by Transilvanian

After reading such a list, one can only wonder in painful desolation and sadness at the CENTURIES of scientific, literary, philosophical, historical and geographical knowledge forever lost because of these utter creeps of eastern Jewish superstition and violence. Those persecuted philosophers and thinkers of the fourth century were the best of their era by far, and few of their works survive because of their criminally insane enemies.

How would the ritual magic and the conjuring of daemons of the neoplatonist Iamblichus, (See Iamblichus: De Mysteriis) or the intricate structural systems of Plotinus' speculative monotheistic be more scientific than Augustine of Hippo or other 'Doctors of the Church'? I'm not sure I follow your logic? Greco/Roman thought in Late Antiquity was anything but "scientific". Empiricism and the Baconian world-view grew directly from the Church's campaign against the deification of nature and primitive 'pagan' beliefs about the 'sacred' & 'magical' nature of plants, animals, and celestial spheres. Science as we know it would not have arisen without Christian presuppositions, i.e. God's creations operate according to laws that can be discovered by man. This is in stark contrast to pre-Christian cultures which believed nature was unpredictable and the gods were capricious. Much of the criticism of the Church's stance of being supposedly against science was anti-Church propaganda, from the usual suspects. See Woods, Thomas E. Jr., How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, Regnery Publishing, 2005. and Duffy, Hugh. Queen of the Sciences: The Special Relationship Between Catholic Theology and Liberal Education. Cork Hill Press. 2004.

The Roman Church allowed European civilization to continue the 'unity' imposed by the Romans, and added a common system of beliefs. If this had not had happened, and the feeble Empire had continued, Europe would have lost everything to Muslim invaders. The political bonds, and power of Christian faith gave European man the means to halt the invasion. A Muslim takeover would have certainly discouraged "Western" science from developing.

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Originally Posted by Transilvanian

Christianity is truly the Communism of Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Though unfortunately now (in light of our race-related struggle) it's unreasonable to want our people to completely shed Christianity (it is, sadly, a part of Europe's heritage now) it will have to be fully excised from our White Nationalist societies in the future.

Politically, the Church was an ardent support of the institution of Monarchy. See below for the Church's economic doctrines.

From "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church" ~

"The free market is an institution of social importance because of its capacity to guarantee effective results in the production of goods and services. Historically, it has shown itself able to initiate and sustain economic development over long periods." [347] "the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources and effectively responding to needs".[726] The Church's social doctrine appreciates the secure advantages that the mechanisms of the free market offer, making it possible as they do to utilize resources better and facilitating the exchange of products. These mechanisms "above all ... give central place to the person's desires and preferences, which, in a contract, meet the desires and preferences of another person".[727]

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Originally Posted by Transilvanian

Then the Jews will realize that having a bunch of Pagans who hate their guts because they forced the Christian lie on our ancestors, will be a lot worse than having some docile, turn-the-other-cheek meek Christians who worship a Jew. I believe that the secularization of our society was a grave mistake for the Jews, and they'll pay for it dearly. Christians, though sometimes violent with the Jews, still respected them as "people of the book" and as the original Old Testament people and all that pointless crap. Pagans will have no qualms about any such "relations". The Jews are full 100% aliens to us and shall be treated as such. No quarter for the invader.

Well, beyond the supposed Jewish "mind control" inflicted on the White masses through Christianity, the Jews have a much more effective weapon... MONEY. And they had it in ancient times. They had just as much power and influence in the ancient Alexandria and late Rome as they do now in London and New York. The violent hatred between the Jew of Rome and the early Christians resulted in sever restriction on Jews after the Roman "conversion". One might even suspect Emperor Constantine may have championed the Christian cause as a political move against the Jews.

If anyone really believes the White world is going unite under the flag of paganism (as if it were a single doctrine) is sadly naive. There isn't time. Modern neopaganism is mostly romantic speculation, taking fragments of primitive 'nature' cults out of context, and trying to make them into a "faith" for modern people who no longer fear or rely on nature. It is rather absurd. The reality is that 78% of American identify themselves as Christians, and most of those people would be people of European ancestry. Why insult the very group we need to court?

You must realize the strategic advantage of moving the views of the main-stream Christian Churches back to what they were just 50 years ago. We'd gain far more support that way, than by debasing what little remains of our traditional heritage by mocking it as "Jew worship" and promoting this romanticism and hedonism that's trying to pass itself off as our "indigenous faith". Purging the leftist from the established Churches and linking WN with established cultural institutions is the best way to move forward.

Re: In Defense Of My Hellenic Brothers And Sisters - The Christianization Of Greece

I've always wondered since I was young why many of Greece's temples lie in ruin. It is not because of time's toll nor is it because of bad storms. Those temples were built with the utmost "strength" in their base and blueprint. What I find upsetting most is the burning of the Library Of Alexandria and all the other libraries. To imagine all the ancient knowledge that was gathered since man first started to build civilization that was lost due to the ignorance and arrogance of an angry one track minded mob just makes me fill with anger and hate. People say, "Oh, well that was over a thousand years ago, get over it." I can't, for I know how much time and knowledge were lost due to weak human ambition to further a cause which to this day, continues to make smart people superstitious and retards further search for the unknown due to concern of an immortal soul's eternal damnation.

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Originally Posted by Vinternatt1785

I've always wondered since I was young why many of Greece's temples lie in ruin. It is not because of time's toll nor is it because of bad storms. Those temples were built with the utmost "strength" in their base and blueprint.

The vast majority of Christian churches stand on the sites of ancient Hellenic ones or are built with the use of some of the ancient temple's ruins..
One of the finest examples being Hagia Sophia in which they used the capitals of the columns from the temple in Ephesus..

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Originally Posted by Hellinas

The vast majority of Christian churches stand on the sites of ancient Hellenic ones or are built with the use of some of the ancient temple's ruins..
One of the finest examples being Hagia Sophia in which they used the capitals of the columns from the temple in Ephesus..

It's almost like a "victory flag" over top of what they conquered. The Muslims do the same thing. I wonder if the forefathers of Christianity ever thought of the near future consequences of the result of this? I question if they ever thought people would find out? I know Constantine was a big fan of doing this as well, even decorating Constantinople with ruins of destroyed and desecrated temples.
Many people think that the Norway Stave church burnings in the early 90's were due to Satanic beliefs and occult goings on, however this is not true. The stave churches were burned due to them being built on top of ancient pagan worship sites and burial grounds. This is true of the Fantoft stave church which was even moved from it's original site to be placed on top of an ancient "sun circle".

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

Does this attitude apply to the "invasive" takeover of societies by the Greeks, and later the Romans, or are your 'issues' just with Christians?

Neither the Greeks nor the Romans ever forced anyone to bow down to their religious beliefs. Never did they destroy any religious sites, with the noted exception of the Jewish temples during the JEWS' revolt against Rome.

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Equating Christianity with the Old Testament beliefs of the Hebrews is a bit like claiming English is actually Phoenician. The core values shift dramatically in the New Testament.

Values aren't the issue here, belief is. Christians believe in the Old Testament and see it as a worthy book of God, when in reality it's just a collection of superstition and fantasy written by a bunch of Jews thousands of years ago. I'll give you an example: The Christian Crusaders of the First Crusade likened their Siege of Jerusalem in 1099 to the Siege of Jericho in the Old Testament. They compared themselves to those Jews who were "spreading the will of God" or some similar nonsense. Then they took Jerusalem and slaughtered Muslims and Jews. The hypocrisy is idiotic and visible to anyone.

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On top of that, modern Judaism is profoundly different than the Old Testament beliefs, nor are most modern Jews descendants of the ancient Hebrews. See Michael Hoffman's Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit.

Jews remain Jews, and while you may deny their claim to Israel and to links with the ancient Jews (I suppose you'll bring up the Khazars), the world doesn't work that way. For all purposes, Jews today are following Judaism, which existed 2000 years ago as well, different though it may have been.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

Atheism and alternative religions, including the poorly researched romantic drivel that is neo-Paganism, is in fact, much more than Christianity, doing the bidding of the Jew.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

"...we are reeducating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, we shall not overtly lay a finger on existing churches, but we shall fight against them by criticism calculated to produce schism..."

from Protocol #17 of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the best you can do in this? So, according to what is perhaps the biggest fraudulent text in the world (it's based on satire, for the gods' sake), we should not split but should all stick to the one religion that was spawned by Jews in order to better fight the Jews? How do you figure that works? Christianity is a Jewish creation, it sure as hell won't help us defeat them.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

"Surveys of Neopagans have shown that they are more than twice as likely to be of Jewish background than of any other."

from Witchcraft Today: An Encyclopedia of Wiccan and Neopagan Traditions by James R. Lewis pp.162

Real Pagans, not that Wiccan crap. Also, no Jews are allowed to be real European Pagans. Any who try are to be excluded and ignored.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

How would the ritual magic and the conjuring of daemons of the neoplatonist Iamblichus, (See Iamblichus: De Mysteriis) or the intricate structural systems of Plotinus' speculative monotheistic be more scientific than Augustine of Hippo or other 'Doctors of the Church'? I'm not sure I follow your logic? Greco/Roman thought in Late Antiquity was anything but "scientific". Empiricism and the Baconian world-view grew directly from the Church's campaign against the deification of nature and primitive 'pagan' beliefs about the 'sacred' & 'magical' nature of plants, animals, and celestial spheres. Science as we know it would not have arisen without Christian presuppositions, i.e. God's creations operate according to laws that can be discovered by man. This is in stark contrast to pre-Christian cultures which believed nature was unpredictable and the gods were capricious. Much of the criticism of the Church's stance of being supposedly against science was anti-Church propaganda, from the usual suspects. See Woods, Thomas E. Jr., How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, Regnery Publishing, 2005. and Duffy, Hugh. Queen of the Sciences: The Special Relationship Between Catholic Theology and Liberal Education. Cork Hill Press. 2004.

I love how you base your information of pro-Catholic revisionists who try to hide their Church's blatant 1000-year stagnation which followed 300 years of cultural and scientific destruction. How the hell do you justify the destruction of vast libraries full of knowledge??? How do you justify the murder of Hypathia, one of the most intelligent persons within the whole of Antiquity? How do you explain the simple fact that Pagan scientists were theorizing about a Heliocentric universe and a spherical Earth a full 1500 years before anyone spawned in Europe's Catholic world had the guts to say it? And even then, those who said it were persecuted by the "pro-science" Catholics and forced to recant in favor of more ignorant Church dogmatic crap.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

The Roman Church allowed European civilization to continue the 'unity' imposed by the Romans, and added a common system of beliefs. If this had not had happened, and the feeble Empire had continued, Europe would have lost everything to Muslim invaders. The political bonds, and power of Christian faith gave European man the means to halt the invasion. A Muslim takeover would have certainly discouraged "Western" science from developing.

No, the Roman Church turned Europe into a frenzy of insane religious wars and fanaticism. The Crusades of the North, the wars against the Byzantines, the genocide of the Cathars, Charlemagne's brutal slaughter of 5000 Saxon leaders at the Massacre of Verden, the endless witch-hunts, the 30 years' war, the French wars of Religion, the wars between Pope and Holy Roman Emperor, the persecution of people like Jan Hus, Galileo, Copernicus, etc. All that sound like a positive to you? If that's not bad enough, the Church caused conflict after conflict while ignoring the Muslim and Mongol invaders of Europe. They send Crusades after the Cathars and after the Baltic people while Islam was still in Spain and was destroying the Crusader States in Palestine.

The Church was weak and superstitious, and it certainly had very little to do with halting Islam. Charles Martel (and later the Spanish warriors) did much more in the West. The Byzantines held off Islam for 800 years in the East. In fact, the Church's insolent attacks against the Byzantine Empire, culminating in the Crusades and especially the treacherous and evil Fourth Crusade, which sacked Constantinople, directly helped the Ottomans in their later invasion of South-Eastern Europe.

Intellectually speaking, the Church was purely anti-White. How the hell do you explain that, for 1000 years, the finest minds of Europe were encouraged to become monks, cloister themselves inside secluded monasteries and devote their lives to God???? Why the hell should Whites support a system which encourages our best minds to avoid reproduction!?!? It's genocide for the most intelligent people, pure and simple. What other system advocated genocide of the best, most intelligent? Marxism, Communism. I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

Politically, the Church was an ardent support of the institution of Monarchy. See below for the Church's economic doctrines.

From "Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church" ~

"The free market is an institution of social importance because of its capacity to guarantee effective results in the production of goods and services. Historically, it has shown itself able to initiate and sustain economic development over long periods." [347] "the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources and effectively responding to needs".[726] The Church's social doctrine appreciates the secure advantages that the mechanisms of the free market offer, making it possible as they do to utilize resources better and facilitating the exchange of products. These mechanisms "above all ... give central place to the person's desires and preferences, which, in a contract, meet the desires and preferences of another person".[727]

Obviously it supported monarchy, it's much easier to control and manipulate one man than an organized Republic or Oligarchy. As for that free marker citation, why is that in any way relevant for anything?

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

Well, beyond the supposed Jewish "mind control" inflicted on the White masses through Christianity, the Jews have a much more effective weapon... MONEY. And they had it in ancient times. They had just as much power and influence in the ancient Alexandria and late Rome as they do now in London and New York. The violent hatred between the Jew of Rome and the early Christians resulted in sever restriction on Jews after the Roman "conversion". One might even suspect Emperor Constantine may have championed the Christian cause as a political move against the Jews.

Constantine championed Christianity because it gave him the immediate support of the cheap slaves and the rabble who were Christian, not because he could fight the Jews with it. His mother was also a fanatical Christian. Why the hell would he fight Jews with a religion spawned by them?

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Originally Posted by Iamblichus

If anyone really believes the White world is going unite under the flag of paganism (as if it were a single doctrine) is sadly naive. There isn't time. Modern neopaganism is mostly romantic speculation, taking fragments of primitive 'nature' cults out of context, and trying to make them into a "faith" for modern people who no longer fear or rely on nature. It is rather absurd. The reality is that 78% of American identify themselves as Christians, and most of those people would be people of European ancestry. Why insult the very group we need to court?

You must realize the strategic advantage of moving the views of the main-stream Christian Churches back to what they were just 50 years ago. We'd gain far more support that way, than by debasing what little remains of our traditional heritage by mocking it as "Jew worship" and promoting this romanticism and hedonism that's trying to pass itself off as our "indigenous faith". Purging the leftist from the established Churches and linking WN with established cultural institutions is the best way to move forward.

That's why I advocate religious freedom for White Nationalism. I think we should maintain a status quo at this point. Christians should be free to believe what they want, but never will they be allowed to make their religion a state religion. As for Paganism, you can't unite anyone under the flag of Paganism, Paganism isn't dogmatic, it's individual and free, like our society should be. No more religions dictating what people will do and believe.

Also, the weakening of Christianity will have been final. After a White Nationalist state (empire?) is established, we won't bring back a cheap, egalitarian, love-the-slaves (proletariat) creed of Jewish origin. No, we'll turn to true European values of honor, strength, virtue, respect, honesty and intelligence. Christianity will not become what it once way; its breath is slowly giving away and soon it will die.