T15H retribution dps simcraft

http://simulationcraft.org/520/Raid_T15H.html this where ret pala stand in dps meter its like in the middle of nowhere
Seriously ? I mean the 4/4 set bonus that really bad ! They talked about ret pala cleave but its not comparable to the others i know its early to judge and we need to wait but its already a dejavu like cata expansion

The simcraft module,gear list, action priority are far from optimized for retri dps. Go check whether you can find some odd buff uptimes/wrong rotations/abilites that hit not as hard as they should etc and post them to the appropriate places.

These simcraft stack rankings are completely stupid, particularly with how much attention people pay them. Sorry if this comes off as critical to anyone in the thread, but it just irks me to see this linked over and over.

1) There is not a single fight which is similar to a Simcraft Patchwerk like sim in all of T15.

2) Remember that every single spec there is built by a completely different author. Author #1 wrote locks and #2 wrote mages, and sometimes different authors for different specs, and if any of those authors has created a less perfect sim than the others, it will completely skew the results.

I question how much value we can get out of a comparison of basically 20 different authors and mods, stacking them up against each other, simulating a fight situation which doesn't really happen in T15. So I do not really trust the stack rankings. There is some small amount of information there, but it's just not that meaningful overall.

I do value Simcraft a lot, and I absolutely believe in simming, but the stack ranking gets linked like it's some kind of bible that will be mirrored in Skada when you go raid and that is just not close to reality.

Now for meaningful data, you can try Raid Bots. This takes real logs out of World of Logs and identifies how different specs have performed; you can narrow it down by fight and also control which data you are looking at. This is also not a perfect reflection of reality and has its own issues - it is skewed by the best players and by skill -- but it will be a much, much more meaningful look at how different specs perform in different raids.

Spoiler Alert: ret has performed significantly better in real raiding for the past 6 months than the stack ranking would have led anyone to believe. Wasn't amazing on every fight, but sure wasn't broken. As far as raid representation, there is an average of over 1 ret paladin per 25 man raid, which is pretty good considering that 25s run far more than our fair share of paladins in general since prot and holy are excessively popular specs.

Which has made the little ret buffs we got in this last patch even better. I am 9/12 so far and I have been extremely satisfied with how my DPS has held up against the rest of my raid.

Anyways, the moral of the story is that I really wish people would stop looking at the stack rankings and having this imaginary idea that this is what Skada / Recount look like in a raid. Um.... not true DPS in a real life PVE environment, particularly at the higher levels, is not something which is even close to as simple as Simcraft's stack rankings make it look. It has some limited value but you have to take it with a really big grain of salt... and investigate other sources of data.

My anecdotal experience of T15 so far - 9/12 25M since we've only had two raid nights. Ret is lookin' good and feeling good. Very happy with the buffs we got & quite satisfied with both my DPS and my raid running 2x mainspec rets on the roster for T15 heroics.

http://simulationcraft.org/520/Raid_T15H.html this where ret pala stand in dps meter its like in the middle of nowhere
Seriously ? I mean the 4/4 set bonus that really bad ! They talked about ret pala cleave but its not comparable to the others i know its early to judge and we need to wait but its already a dejavu like cata expansion