It's unfortunate that this will be coming out on the heels of two great seasons of 'Sherlock'. It will, inevitably suffer by comparison but will probably be a hit because it is on CBS. That means it will be boring and formulaic to the point you could rename it "CSI IV: You get what you ask for folks"

If not Jeremey Brett, then Benedict Cumberbatch. If not either, then no. There are old ones to rewatch on Netflix with Brett and new ones (finally!) with Cumberbatch to watch. The books are always worth a reread and great in the audio format with the right narrator. There are myriad reasons and ways to lose yourself in Sherlock Holmes. This show is not one of them. I'll pass.

bluenote13:It's unfortunate that this will be coming out on the heels of two great seasons of 'Sherlock'. It will, inevitably suffer by comparison but will probably be a hit because it is on CBS. That means it will be boring and formulaic to the point you could rename it "CSI IV: You get what you ask for folks"

I'd say more like one damn-near-perfect season, a good episode and an abortion.

I loved the way season 2 started, but I honestly fell asleep near the end of the Hounds episode. I woke up just as whats-his-face was standing in his cell or whatever. I figured I'd missed something, but my fiance said, "No, it just didn't make any sense"

IlGreven:rudemix: If not Jeremey Brett, then Benedict Cumberbatch. If not either, then no.

If it's not Basil Rathbone, it's CRAP!

It's not Basil that drives me away from his Holmes, it's the wide varying from original source and even worse the making of Dr. Watson into a bumbling farking idiot. One of the things I most enjoy about the books is Watson. He is a very intelligent, educated and travelled man. He is not to be a dumski to be compared to Holmes to show how smart Holmes is, he is meant to be above average and still look far below mediocre in comparison. Both Brett and Cumberbatch benefit from solid Watsons. I would bet Rathbone reading it would be great listening if it followed original Holmes stories, or at least stayed in the world of Holmes.

And on that note I will prepare some reports listening to some solid gold. A Scandal in Bohemia(pops)

rudemix:IlGreven: rudemix: If not Jeremey Brett, then Benedict Cumberbatch. If not either, then no.

If it's not Basil Rathbone, it's CRAP!

It's not Basil that drives me away from his Holmes, it's the wide varying from original source and even worse the making of Dr. Watson into a bumbling farking idiot. One of the things I most enjoy about the books is Watson. He is a very intelligent, educated and travelled man. He is not to be a dumski to be compared to Holmes to show how smart Holmes is, he is meant to be above average and still look far below mediocre in comparison. Both Brett and Cumberbatch benefit from solid Watsons. I would bet Rathbone reading it would be great listening if it followed original Holmes stories, or at least stayed in the world of Holmes.

And on that note I will prepare some reports listening to some solid gold. A Scandal in Bohemia(pops)

The saddest thing about Lionel Bruce was that he would have made a damnfine 'straight' Watson; the Rathbone HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES wasthe first of their films together, and was a fairly faithful (for the time) adaptationof the story and Watson comes off rather well (not surprising given that he wasfront and center throughout a good portion of the original novel).

Let's see, cast Lucy Liu in the role of Watson, air it on CBS, they'll be lovers or have a sexual tension by the end of season 1. Once you take away the platonic relationship Holmes and Watson simply don't work.

KatjaMouse:Let's see, cast Lucy Liu in the role of Watson, air it on CBS, they'll be lovers or have a sexual tension by the end of season 1. Once you take away the platonic relationship Holmes and Watson simply don't work.

This show makes me yet even sadder for my country.. top gear US... eck.. coupling US OMFG WHY... everything we touch we destroy. Even when the US wanted to do a Fawlty Towers US, they wanted to remove basil fawlty!

P.S. Cumberbatch would be a great porn name:)

P.P.S. if you have never seen Coupling (the UK one) It easily has the best writing of any sitcom i have seen...

rudemix: The books are always worth a reread and great in the audio format with the right narrator.

CLIVE MERRISON FTW!!!!!

\Not a narration, but a Licensed BBC audio drama of every offical Holmes story written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.\\Almost prefer it to Brett & Cumberbatch\\\ALMOST\\\\Shame about Johnny Lee Miller. Guy can't catch a break on US TV.\\Would like to see the adaptation of Frankenstein that he and Cumberbatch did on stage a few months ago...

CalvinMorallis:bluenote13: It's unfortunate that this will be coming out on the heels of two great seasons of 'Sherlock'. It will, inevitably suffer by comparison but will probably be a hit because it is on CBS. That means it will be boring and formulaic to the point you could rename it "CSI IV: You get what you ask for folks"

I'd say more like one damn-near-perfect season, a good episode and an abortion.

I loved the way season 2 started, but I honestly fell asleep near the end of the Hounds episode. I woke up just as whats-his-face was standing in his cell or whatever. I figured I'd missed something, but my fiance said, "No, it just didn't make any sense"

Matter of opinion. I thought the Hounds episode was a nice little stand alone episode, other than the random ending with Moriarity. I really wish they would make 5-6 episodes per season. Three is not enough to build up the 'arcs' they want to do so the ending was tacked on as 'crap we have to remind people who the real bad guy is before the last episode of the season next week'. I have already seen the finale and it is very very good.

P.P.S. if you have never seen Coupling (the UK one) It easily has the best writing of any sitcom i have seen...

This. It shows how a tv series can have a defined beginning, middle, and end, and leave before it gets stale and stupid. Most American shows, especially sit-coms, could learn from this. My wife loved the first few seasons of TBBT, but said it became aimless and stupid the longer it went on. She pointed out that if they had followed the Coupling model, you would have gotten 4-5 really funny seasons of Leonard and Penny meeting, dating, getting married, and having a kid, with his cast of friends (particularly Sheldon) trying to learn to deal with it.

And I'm American and think this version of Sherlock Holmes looks terrible.

What I saw was Holmes being skittish, stereotypically autistic (rather than artfully subtle), and every indicator the writers are adding a lame extra storyline element to Watson of being "a strong and empowered woman" to hook chick viewers.

fickenchucker:What I saw was Holmes being skittish, stereotypically autistic (rather than artfully subtle), and every indicator the writers are adding a lame extra storyline element to Watson of being "a strong and empowered woman" to hook chick viewers.

I'll pass.

I'm pretty sure the British reboot of Holmes that this is based on features a stereotypically autistic holmes as well.

Though Watson is played by a dude rather than Lucy Liu. It's America, we need tits to look at or we'll lose interest real fast.

To be honest, I can't wait for it. I hope CBS keeps up the trend they started with Person of Interest with complex plotlines, gray characters and brutality. (Best fight scenes on TV at the moment.) I like that Sherlock is a recovering addict. Yes, I know House did it. But I want to see how this version does it. Though the way Holmes moved and acted in the clip, I bet the pilot will end revealing he is still on something.

Don't get me wrong, I love the new BBC version of Sherlock as well. In fact, I love just about every incarnation of Sherlock. He and Watson are two of my favorite pop culture characters.

What I hope for this new series is that the mysteries will be better than Sherlock. To me, that is the weakest thing about the BBC series. Love the characters and the dialog but I can guess the plotline within the first ten minutes. Which takes away the fact that Sherlock is supposed to be a genius. (Really, it never occurs to him that the password to the phone is "Sher" as is "Sherlocked" until the last act? Who didn't guess that the first time they saw the phone?)

mekki:What I hope for this new series is that the mysteries will be better than Sherlock. To me, that is the weakest thing about the BBC series. Love the characters and the dialog but I can guess the plotline within the first ten minutes. Which takes away the fact that Sherlock is supposed to be a genius. (Really, it never occurs to him that the password to the phone is "Sher" as is "Sherlocked" until the last act? Who didn't guess that the first time they saw the phone?)

(Django raises his hand)

But, I am rather clueless in general, and was distracted by a nekkid IreneAdler.

mekki: To be honest, I can't wait for it. I hope CBS keeps up the trend they started with Person of Interest with complex plotlines, gray characters and brutality. (Best fight scenes on TV at the moment.) I like that Sherlock is a recovering addict. Yes, I know House did it. But I want to see how this version does it. Though the way Holmes moved and acted in the clip, I bet the pilot will end revealing he is still on something.

Don't get me wrong, I love the new BBC version of Sherlock as well. In fact, I love just about every incarnation of Sherlock. He and Watson are two of my favorite pop culture characters.

What I hope for this new series is that the mysteries will be better than Sherlock. To me, that is the weakest thing about the BBC series. Love the characters and the dialog but I can guess the plotline within the first ten minutes. Which takes away the fact that Sherlock is supposed to be a genius. (Really, it never occurs to him that the password to the phone is "Sher" as is "Sherlocked" until the last act? Who didn't guess that the first time they saw the phone?)

*raises hand*.

And I would hazard a guess that you're in the minority on having figured it out before the big reveal. Besides, one of the main goals of Adler's "game" was to distract Sherlock enough to prevent him from guessing the password, which she did exceedingly well. As Mycroft said of Adler's game, "it was textbook."

Icetech3:This show makes me yet even sadder for my country.. top gear US... eck.. coupling US OMFG WHY... everything we touch we destroy. Even when the US wanted to do a Fawlty Towers US, they wanted to remove basil fawlty!

P.S. Cumberbatch would be a great porn name:)

P.P.S. if you have never seen Coupling (the UK one) It easily has the best writing of any sitcom i have seen...

I dare you to try to watch the U.S. version of Spaced. It's beyond awful.

DjangoStonereaver:mekki: What I hope for this new series is that the mysteries will be better than Sherlock. To me, that is the weakest thing about the BBC series. Love the characters and the dialog but I can guess the plotline within the first ten minutes. Which takes away the fact that Sherlock is supposed to be a genius. (Really, it never occurs to him that the password to the phone is "Sher" as is "Sherlocked" until the last act? Who didn't guess that the first time they saw the phone?)

(Django raises his hand)

But, I am rather clueless in general, and was distracted by a nekkid IreneAdler.

Was the scene they showed on PBS the same they aired on the Beeb? I was expecting more (couldn't be much less) considering the stink it caused over there.

Wellon Dowd:DjangoStonereaver: mekki: What I hope for this new series is that the mysteries will be better than Sherlock. To me, that is the weakest thing about the BBC series. Love the characters and the dialog but I can guess the plotline within the first ten minutes. Which takes away the fact that Sherlock is supposed to be a genius. (Really, it never occurs to him that the password to the phone is "Sher" as is "Sherlocked" until the last act? Who didn't guess that the first time they saw the phone?)

(Django raises his hand)

But, I am rather clueless in general, and was distracted by a nekkid IreneAdler.

Was the scene they showed on PBS the same they aired on the Beeb? I was expecting more (couldn't be much less) considering the stink it caused over there.

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Pretty much, though I think there may have been some minor digitization offleeting underboob in a couple of scenes.