Mexico is Way More Screwed than You Think

my good buddy recently got back from a trip to mexico. he met a lady, and now they're touring all around north america. she's great, mid-20s, well
educated, funny, sweet. we were up last night drinking on the porch, as you do. he was down there (veracruz) for a couple of months, but that was
enough. here's what they told me.

*if you're a gov employee, and you don't play ball, the cartels will kill your family. all of them. it happened to a 2nd cousin of hers, as well as
several acquaintances. so guess what? the gov, local and federal, is entirely in the cartels' pockets. the cartels set policy and call the shots,
absolutely.

*she has a 1 yr old niece who has never left the family home. if you're a woman or a girl, you do not leave the house alone. if you are a person of
either sex, you get indoors before 11pm. and you do not DO NOT allow your children outside. EVER. that's because...

*people get kidnapped EVERY DAY in EVERY COMMUNITY.

my buddy and Y____ went out for tacos one day. they're mowing down on some fine tacos when Y____ perks up, looks nervous. "we have to go. NOW."
turns out that she overheard one of the other patrons on the phone telling someone about the american who was just begging to get snatched, and could
they send a van and backup? mind you, there are two cops in line toting semi-automatic rifles giving zero #s.

they kidnap men for organs and ransom, they kidnap boys for organs and fresh soldiers, they kidnap girls for child prostitution, child porn, and
organs. three months ago in Y___'s hometown, a truck was pulled over for speeding. the cop asked to look in the back, the driver agreed. and then
blew his brains out right then and there. open the back and there are DOZENS of children and babies, living and dead, missing organs and missing eyes.
standard cartel practice. if you live the kid (usually male) alive, you take the eyes out and dump them in the street. good luck finding accurate
stats out there, because...

*one of the things you will be asked to do by the cartels if you work in law enforcement is tamper with the kidnapping reports. bury them, alter them,
etc. if you are a police officer, you can bust someone for going shirtless in public, but a body can be chucked out the back of a van in the town
plaza right in front of you, and you will do nothing.

*they even kidnap dogs. they take them from yards and parks and either ransom them or sell them to the chinese for meat. Y___ took her dog to the park
one day, and a woman approached her and tried to take it. Y___ kicked her and ran like hell with the dog in her arms.

*nobody has a job. unless it's cartel related.

*education is a joke.

*back in may, some super draconian legislation was passed that severely restricted mexicans ability to speak out on the internet. she posted a video
about it on my buddy's fb wall, and two weeks later, it was gone. not a dead video, but *poof* disappeared off his timeline altogether.

"they want to silence us, so the world doesn't know how it really is here."

make no mistake, you americans have a full on somalia-style failed state boiling just beneath you. if any american companies/agencies are still
selling weapons in mexico, they ought to be ashamed. i'm not saying what is going on with the flood of illegals into your country is ok, or that
it's being handled well by your gov. but try to understand, these people aren't coming here to steal your jobs or take your tax dollars. they are
terrified, and have every reason to be terrified.

That's a very nice second hand story with nothing to back it up but a map of where cartels operate. Got any proof? I am sure things of a similar
nature happen there, but I have been to Mexico and never had any problems and I am about as white as they come. As a matter of fact, I had some of
the best experiences I have ever had in Mexico with my wife who is as white as you can get too, and very pretty. Never once were we uncomfortable.
We were treated with respect everywhere we went and loved our times there. I am sure there is a higher concentration of some of these events at
certain cities or areas, but no real difference from the US in certain cities.....there are just some places you don't go. I live in Atlanta and I
know the places not to go even in daylight hours.

So, got anything other than a 3rd person story to back up your claims or is this just an attempt to smear Mexico for some reason?

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
That's a very nice second hand story with nothing to back it up but a map of where cartels operate. Got any proof?

nope, that's why i posted this in the grey area.

i used the maps to illustrate the rapid spread of cartel influence over the last three years.

So, got anything other than a 3rd person story to back up your claims or is this just an attempt to smear Mexico for some reason?

i'm not certain why you are being so hostile, but that's ok. when was the last time you visited, and where?

No hostility here. Last time was a year ago and went all over. Your statement, though, doesn't specify any particular city or area.....just a
blanket statement about all of Mexico. I am sure there are some bad areas, but that is in every country.

yeah, since i couldn't sleep after that, i ended up trying to gauge how widespread the problem was, and how severe. there's a lot of articles
pre-2013, but reports taper off sharply into 2014. here's some of the ones i found that might be helpful for getting some of the picture in place.

This seem like more of a reason too put up a wall, not take one down. The cartels will follow if a strong board is not put up and all the people
running here will be for nothing. The US people would just end up joining everyone that came over in a mass run to Canada, if we don't draw a line in
the sand so to speak.

No hostility here. Last time was a year ago and went all over. Your statement, though, doesn't specify any particular city or area.....just a
blanket statement about all of Mexico. I am sure there are some bad areas, but that is in every country.

Y___ lives in veracruz, but she's under the impression that it's pretty much happening everywhere to a greater or lesser degree. i have to think
there are places designated "no fire zones", even cartel members wanna kick back and recreate once in a while. wouldn't surprise me if those zones
coincided with the areas wealthy tourists frequent.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
good grief, what is happening to this world, problem is the cartels are here, they will come too, only a matter of time, no where to run, no where to
hide, hell on earth

short of a full-scale invasion, the only solution i can think of is to starve them of income. for instance, legalising **** in just two states cut
into their profits so much that they ended up diversifying into oil
and agribusiness. no easy solution, but we definitely need to keep trying, because you're right. these things tend to spread like borders don't
exist.

I live near the border. There is a fight brewing. I predict that if all hell breaks loose, you would not want to be with the cartels. They have
pushed just about as hard as will be tolerated peacefully.

I would not like to be the cartels if it comes down to an all out fight between US population and them. The cartels are big and have fire power but
there is still tons of in fighting in them and wars between the different groups.

No hostility here. Last time was a year ago and went all over. Your statement, though, doesn't specify any particular city or area.....just a
blanket statement about all of Mexico. I am sure there are some bad areas, but that is in every country.

Y___ lives in veracruz, but she's under the impression that it's pretty much happening everywhere to a greater or lesser degree. i have to think
there are places designated "no fire zones", even cartel members wanna kick back and recreate once in a while. wouldn't surprise me if those zones
coincided with the areas wealthy tourists frequent.

The last time I went to Mexico, it was at a Resort, and they were very clear to me... they said "Don't leave the area of the Resort, inside the
resort its' very safe, but don't go outside"

It was pretty clear to me, and like I said, that was the last time I went to Mexico.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
good grief, what is happening to this world, problem is the cartels are here, they will come too, only a matter of time, no where to run, no where to
hide, hell on earth

short of a full-scale invasion, the only solution i can think of is to starve them of income. for instance, legalising **** in just two states cut
into their profits so much that they ended up diversifying into oil
and agribusiness. no easy solution, but we definitely need to keep trying, because you're right. these things tend to spread like borders don't
exist.

I've been saying this for years. End the war on drugs, and you pretty much sucker punch them in the gut. Tough to recover from and they would never
have the same power that they wield now with other crime rackets. Failing that, we may eventually have to go to war with Mexico and reconstruct their
government from the ground up. But that won't really fix the problem (because drugs would still be illegal here and the cartels would spring back).

No hostility here. Last time was a year ago and went all over. Your statement, though, doesn't specify any particular city or area.....just a
blanket statement about all of Mexico. I am sure there are some bad areas, but that is in every country.

Y___ lives in veracruz, but she's under the impression that it's pretty much happening everywhere to a greater or lesser degree. i have to think
there are places designated "no fire zones", even cartel members wanna kick back and recreate once in a while. wouldn't surprise me if those zones
coincided with the areas wealthy tourists frequent.

The last time I went to Mexico, it was at a Resort, and they were very clear to me... they said "Don't leave the area of the Resort, inside the
resort its' very safe, but don't go outside"

It was pretty clear to me, and like I said, that was the last time I went to Mexico.

A lot if the resorts play on outsider fears this way. They do it to keep you inside and overpaying for amenities. The whole country is not bad, it
is in certain areas just like any other city/country. Maybe you should have asked them why they built their resort in such a dangerous place.

They have more then one way to get funding. Drugs are large part but only a part, if they lose that part they'll just pump more in funding in the
others. They're very quick to change what they need to do to make money. With out the moral guide lines it makes it even easier. The human traffic
and organ trade would just grow.

We would have to cut out their drug trade and hit them at the same time to take any measure of power from them right now.

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