Video: Was Gosnell an aberration in late-term abortions?

posted at 11:01 am on April 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The trial of Kermit Gosnell — and the media silence on it for much of the proceedings — have shone a light on lat-term abortions that abortion advocates have hardly welcomed. In response, the abortion industry has argued that Gosnell was an aberration, a rare instance of inhumanity for a service that is critical to the health of women. How true is that? Live Action conducted an undercover operation to allow people a look into the late-term abortion business, and we discover that the lawless approach we saw in Gosnell’s clinic was at the very least not unique.

Live Action’s undercover journalist went to a Bronx abortion clinic to discuss the potential outcomes of a 23-week abortion — that’s nearly 6 months along — and got the kind of advice that one would expect from Kermit Gosnell himself:

What happens, the young woman asks, if the baby is moving and breathing when it comes out? No worries, says the abortion-clinic saleswoman — the toxic solution will make it “automatically stop.” If the baby spontaneously delivers, she advises the mother to “Flush it!” Or, failing that, stick the baby in a plastic bag and bring him or her to the clinic for the toxic solution. Don’t go to the hospital, she warns, because the hospital might actually try to save the baby.

The employee assigned to take note of medical history reassured the woman, “We never had that for ages” (a seeming admission that a baby did survive abortion at the clinic at least once) but that should “it” “survive this,” “They would still have to put it in like a jar, a container, with solution, and send it to the lab. . . . We don’t just throw it out in the garbage.”

Oh, and this innocuous-sounding “solution” was, of course, a toxic substance suitable for killing an infant.

“Like, what if it was twitching?” asked the pregnant woman.

“The solution will make it stop,” said the clinic employee. “That’s the whole purpose of the solution . . . It will automatically stop. It won’t be able to breathe anymore.”

As for any qualms a woman might have about seeing her newborn child being poisoned and drowned in a jar, the employee advised her “patient” not to worry: She’d be under sedation, and the murder would take place in another room anyway.

The employee said, humorously, that “the doctor” is “not gonna wake you up and be like, ‘Hey, excuse me, you have—’ ”

The sentence was left unfinished, too unthinkable even for a euphemism. There’s no polite way to say, “You have just given birth, but we will murder the child.”

Smith also notes that the 24-week limit in New York will be under no threat as long as the media keeps silent about these operations:

Gosnell “is not an aberration. He is not alone. There are abortionists all across the country who are performing [illegal] late-term abortions and killing babies,” Rose says. “The inhumanity is business as usual.”

But a primary reason the Gosnell case has received amazingly scant and grudging attention from most of the major media outlets is that it’s impossible to discuss illegal abortions without thinking more about legal ones.

It’s necessary (unless you think abortion should generally be illegal) to declare an arbitrary cutoff point. But is 24 weeks the right one? Fetuses that old have an excellent chance of surviving once born. By contrast, at 21 weeks or less, viability outside the womb is virtually nil.

You can bet that Planned Parenthood and other pro-choice groups that enjoy strong support from the media would raise an unholy ruckus at any suggestion that the 24-week limit is not strict enough.

Yet when the 23-weeks-pregnant woman told the Bronx clinic, “It actually looks like a baby,” she was told by a different counselor, “It is at this point.”

Not to worry, though: all that would be left after the abortion, she was told, would be (those disturbing euphemisms again) “pregnancy parts” and “tissue.”

The New York Times, in the sole article it published on the Gosnell trial before it grudgingly admitted the story was an important one and reversed course, incorrectly and revealingly referred to the murdered babies who had survived abortion as “fetuses,” The Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto pointed out.

Fetus? No. That’s misinformation meant to downplay what happened. Once born, you’re no longer a fetus. And ending your life is infanticide, not abortion.

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What happens, the young woman asks, if the baby is moving and breathing when it comes out? No worries, says the abortion-clinic saleswoman — the toxic solution will make it “automatically stop.” If the baby spontaneously delivers, she advises the mother to “Flush it!” Or, failing that, stick the baby in a plastic bag and bring him or her to the clinic for the toxic solution. Don’t go to the hospital, she warns, because the hospital might actually try to save the baby.What happens, the young woman asks, if the baby is moving and breathing when it comes out? No worries, says the abortion-clinic saleswoman — the toxic solution will make it “automatically stop.” If the baby spontaneously delivers, she advises the mother to “Flush it!” Or, failing that, stick the baby in a plastic bag and bring him or her to the clinic for the toxic solution. Don’t go to the hospital, she warns, because the hospital might actually try to save the baby.

…yep!…watch the Sunday talking azzes!…they are informing the masses azzes!

And, in this day and age, why is a private corporation dictating to government what government and citizens can and cannot do with tax dollars. You’d think that Planned Parenthood was a Cabinet level department of government, not a private corporation, what with all the Presidential attention, and the attention of other members of the Administration, and the dependence on federal funding.

They are private. A non-government entity. If they cannot exist without federal dollars (our dollars) then they simply have to change their business model.

If the baby spontaneously delivers, she advises the mother to “Flush it!” Or, failing that, stick the baby in a plastic bag and bring him or her to the clinic for the toxic solution. Don’t go to the hospital, she warns, because the hospital might actually try to save the baby.

“Him or her” not it. These people know they are committing murder and just don’t care. They will all go to hell.

I offer a humble suggestion – why is the video not used as a commercial to inform people on a mass scale? Are there no well-off right-leaning people or groups with pro-life beliefs and money to burn that can fund it? Sure, there will be networks that balk, but others won’t. Why not use that Hot Air-pull with powerful Republican figures to make this happen?

What are you, a newspaper editor? I can smell your desperation to make this topic vanish through the computer screen. It makes me want to see 3 times the level of reporting on this.
Saltyron on April 28, 2013 at 11:25 AM

You miser the previous thread where Liam was taunting nonpartisan about topics she doesn’t like. I’m simply offering congratulations on this newfound psychic abilities. For the record, I am pro-life.

Abortion is America’s holocaust, but since it takes place behind closed doors, the left is determined to downplay its horrors. But a person is a person, no matter where they be, and life will continue to be the most important of all rights so long as one can enjoy no others without it.

When C.S. Lewis wrote the book “The Screwtape Letters” he said he never wrote a book with such ease, twisting his mind into the diabolical attitude almost smothered him before he was done. I can not read these horrors without thinking Screwtape and his Wormwood relatives are rejoicing over these ineffable abominations to God.

The left will cry salty, salty tears over the clubbing death of baby seals. They will sit in circles in forests and wail and moan over trees being chopped down. They will fight tooth and nail to protect snail darters and itsy little fish from evil farmers and their irrigation ditches. But innocent babies who had the misfortune to be born alive after a botched abortion?

Anyone who supports this is sick, depraved and evil.

My spouse has started calling Obama “President Baby-Killer.” I think I will now, too.

I offer a humble suggestion – why is the video not used as a commercial to inform people on a mass scale? Are there no well-off right-leaning people or groups with pro-life beliefs and money to burn that can fund it? Sure, there will be networks that balk, but others won’t. Why not use that Hot Air-pull with powerful Republican figures to make this happen?

Saltyron on April 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

It would be interesting to see if they could find a network that would sell them the airtime for it.

Done.
Had to pray alot about my tween grandaughters, who follow me.
Did add ‘not for the squeemish’.
Figured who better to learn this, NOW !
Thankfully I can trust their parents, but if they give me any grief, I know Who will back me up.

The left will cry salty, salty tears over the clubbing death of baby seals. They will sit in circles in forests and wail and moan over trees being chopped down. They will fight tooth and nail to protect snail darters and itsy little fish from evil farmers and their irrigation ditches. But innocent babies who had the misfortune to be born alive after a botched abortion?

Anyone who supports this is sick, depraved and evil.

My spouse has started calling Obama “President Baby-Killer.” I think I will now, too.

theotherone on April 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Good post.

It’s in keeping with their entire mindset of logic defied and deviancy glorified. It is, however, the most abjectly evil item on their reality-and-sanity-defying list of priorities.

…we discover that the lawless approach we saw in Gosnell’s clinic was at the very least not unique.

I’ve consistently speculated that, that the Gosnell horror activity is but one among others — more likely “commonplace” among abortion-facilities than the public is aware.

Gosnell’s deeds and standards, if they can be called that, are abysmal beyond many beliefs but I do speculate that his/those same deeds and “standards” are in practice nationwide.

Abortion and the industry of abortion is not healthcare, it’s not medical care, it’s barbarism, it’s disgusting wrong-doing of paramount proportions.

And “flushing” a living human being — Lord, God in heaven, dear Lord, I pray for they who perish in such depraved cruelty, may God comfort them with His love forever. And for those who cause them to perish, God’s judgement awaits.

My spouse has started calling Obama “President Baby-Killer.” I think I will now, too.

theotherone on April 28, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Yes, agreed.

He not only is as guilty as anyone else so involved in these evil deeds, Obama appears to actually be the or one of the primary cheerleaders of de&th of the innocents. He speaks of abortion — the taking of innocent human life, the barbaric acts by which this is done time and time again — with real lust, real enthusiasm, real monstrosity.

Smilin’ faces…sometimes, don’t tell the truth…smilin’ faces leave no traces of the evil that lurks within…

And “flushing” a living human being — Lord, God in heaven, dear Lord, I pray for they who perish in such depraved cruelty, may God comfort them with His love forever. And for those who cause them to perish, God’s judgement awaits.

Lourdes on April 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

And the leftist scumbags here at HA not only defend these immoral acts, they laugh and taunt about them.

Progressives have a sordid love affair with infanticide. I say we play along and sever the necks of liberals at say, the age of 24? Fresh out of college and useless pieces of sh_t for the most part.

Vile trash that they are.

Polish Rifle on April 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM

My TV was on a timer channel-change and then continued on after that timer broadcast with the channel’s (Progressive) programming.

I noted after approaching the set to change the channel but stopping to listen to a bit of what was going on that the Progressives on that channel (NBC or PBS or something) were ALL lapsing into some sort of pity-advise and caution about “mental illness among us” and “psychological stress” and all this, on and on, it’s as if their entire focus is on some sort of Let’s-Grok-The-Illness, the whole New Age Old And Busted stuff.

Look at their “voting blocks” or groups who vote for this stuff and what they DO and vote FOR: abortion, suicide, dependency, removal of personal defense abilities (or desires to defend), the non-gender-gender-change paid for by someone else demands, anti-Christianity if not works to penalize those who believe as such…

I am strongly convinced if the media would have done their due diligence and reported IL. Senator Obama’s opposition (3x) of intervening in botched abortions, we would have never seen him as our President…

Future generations will judge this far worse than the slave trade, holocaust, or indian wars.

abobo on April 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Abortion is far worse, but future generations will be too selfish to care.

With the homosexual revolution gaining strength, soon there will be no tolerance in Western nations for Christianity or for anyone else who opposes homosexual behavior.

Economies will grow ever weaker for two reasons:
– folks will keep trying to vote themselves others’ money, &
– as the next generation is killed off in abortion mills, fewer people will be around to care for the ever-increasing share of the population that’s elderly.

I am strongly convinced if the media would have done their due diligence and reported IL. Senator Obama’s opposition (3x) of intervening in botched abortions, we would have never seen him as our President…

hillsoftx on April 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I don’t know about that. The fervor over Obama disregards who he is and what he’s about. My impression is many who support him, and voted for him, would boil themselves in hot oil if he gave a big speech about how glorious it was if they’d do that for him.

Spiritually, they have already done so, unless there’s actual change among many of them.

What is it about gay men (for the most part) and their love for abortion and infanticide? Self hate?

CW on April 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM

I wonder if their hipster I-am-only-having-one-kid friends commitment to gay rights would include having their single kid be gay themselves. Or should the gay gene ever be found, would it be “Hello, Doctor Gosnell…?”

– as the next generation is killed off in abortion mills, fewer people will be around to care for the ever-increasing share of the population that’s elderly.

itsnotaboutme on April 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

That problem has been considered since the 80s, first with the idea of ‘doctor-assisted suicide’. It would be preferable for the elderly and seriously ill to ‘remove’ themselves from being a burden, but the idea never took hold. Then came the euthanasia concept, which isn’t a big sell, either; most people would balk at the idea of putting down a comatose parent or grandparent.

Obamacare will provide an intermediate course, by denial of certain medical services because ‘the money isn’t there for everyone.’

For now, the baby-killers don’t want Gosnell looked at too closely. I also hear no calls from politicians, especially from the likes of Pelosi or DiFi, to find out if Gosnell is the aberration libs claim, or if he’s all too common. Where are those Dems who claim to care so much about women and children?

In response, the abortion industry has argued that Gosnell was an aberration, a rare instance of inhumanity for a service that is critical to the health of women.

Late term abortion service is an aberration in services critical to the health of women. Heck, it’s not even a critical service when it comes to health of women. Maybe to their pocket books. Maybe to their convenience.

Aberration is not the correct “a” word to use in connection with discussion of late term abortion. A correct “a” word is abomination.

Adolph Hitler was a mad man, and was responsible for over 11 million murders in the holocaust and WWII. At the time such a thing was unthinkable. But now we have a society which also has discarded 50 million lives over the past 40 years. Will we ever regain our senses?

I think another angle I have not been seeing has been the reason women have waited this late to ask for abortions. The Left seriously tells people that almost all of these late abortions are demanded by women who find out late in the process the baby has some horrible birth defect, such as anencephaly. Or that these women are poor little match girls whose unintended pregnancies tick along while they try to sell enough matches on the mean streets of New York to afford the abortion they wanted from the beginning.

How many of them are actually obtained because the mother has taken this long to finally be sick of the babydaddy, a daughter has hidden a pregnancy from her mother, or other reasons for which we are not so happy about them obtaining this procedure?

Have any of our trolls been able to tell us the magical process that happens between 20 and 24 weeks of gestation that makes a fetus “human” and deserving of personhood/protection under the law?

Is it voodoo? I bet it’s voodoo.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I can’t answer for the likes of Marxist Pig and Genuine Lee Stupid, obviously. Where I stand is when heart and brain activity are both detectable; if nothing else than for internal consistency, because that’s when I stand on life ENDING.

Never read Things to Come, just watched the movie. Always thought it showed the fallacy of the Utopia concept. Looks good on paper never works. I was never a big fan of Wells writings although I have read War of the Worlds several times. The 50s movie with Gene Barry was, IMO better than the book and far superior to anything that came after it. The remake with Tom Cruise…ugh! I kept hoping something would jump out and eat Dakota Fanning just to stop her incessant whining.

It would seem that now, according to the New York Times, a baby born alive is still a fetus..albeit a viable fetus. So far, however, the Times has not decreed what at what point is the dividing line between fetus and baby/child.

So I suggest that we adopt the NY Times style book and refer to Jill Abrahamson’s two children as her two fetuses.

To post this here, might be simply preaching to the choir, but this is the first time I’ve actually watched it, and I’m sure that 80-90% of our FB friends still haveno clue, so it might go there, too.
Just so you can have it handy, too ….. tactics used to get RvW passed, by the main manipulator.

Our society prides itself on its secularism and being “rational” and not “clinging to God and guns”, yet the liberals who are so adamant about abortion at any stage of gestation, who hug trees, stop human progress for bait fish or some rare bacteria in the soil are no different than the pagans of Old Testament times. Sure, the method is more modern, but they still sacrifice their children to the god Molloch, Instead of fire, they use “toxic solution”, but in the end, the result is the same. They worship the earth and the starry host, but instead of building idols of those things, they construct restraining orders and injunctions and then encircle and bow at the feet of the trees or snail darters.

The nation of Israel was conquered because the Jews started worshiping the evil god Molloch and the other pagan gods. While we are not God’s chosen nation, the fact that we are following in this same pattern will bring about the fact that we will have to suffer the consequences of our actions. The real question is if we as a country can turn this around and stop this evil. It seems as if the next generation has a much dimmer view of abortion than our current 60′s inspired hippie generation, so there may be some hope for us yet.

The writer of Ecclesiastes was right, there is nothing new under the sun, it has all been done and seen before. May just have different wrappings, but the same corruption is there.

It would seem that now, according to the New York Times, a baby born alive is still a fetus..albeit a viable fetus. So far, however, the Times has not decreed what at what point is the dividing line between fetus and baby/child.

So I suggest that we adopt the NY Times style book and refer to Jill Abrahamson’s two children as her two fetuses.

Blaise on April 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM

The Left doesn’t want “it” referred to as a baby or a human being WHEN it’s aborted, at any time.

In other words, to the Left, any abortion DOES NOT INVOLVE, in the Left’s view, a human being losing it’s life because it’s “not alive” or if it is “it’s not a baby, it’s not thinking” and such.

They discount all humanity from the human being that is aborted to ease their decrepit minds as to their lack of valuation of vulnerable life.

I can’t answer for the likes of Marxist Pig and Genuine Lee Stupid, obviously. Where I stand is when heart and brain activity are both detectable; if nothing else than for internal consistency, because that’s when I stand on life ENDING.

Berate me if and as you will.

MelonCollie on April 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Key word in your statement is “detect”. Just as the original RvW case used and arbitrary “viability” time that medical advances have pushed back for premature survivability, the ability to detect development has, and continues to improve. So what is just detectable today may be weeks old news in future detection technology. Parenthetically, anybody want to bet this is why Obamacare and the libs are happy to curtail medical advances? So, why not use a definition that is one of the very few step functions in nature, conception? Prior to conception, you have two cells with the potential for life, at the moment of conception, you have a developing life. At the moment of conception, the DNA and personhood of the conceived is set. This is readily defined, readily measured and leaves no doubt. With modern contraceptive methods and people desperately wanting to adopt, there is no reason to sacrifice a child at any stage of development to the evil god Molloch.

Not berating, just pointing out the need to separate modern capabilities from physical reality.

“Father Frank Pavone, the director of Priests for Life, has asked officials in the Kermit Gosnell murder trial case if he can have the bodies of the babies after the all of the court proceedings are finished. He wants a proper burial of the remains of 45 babies killed by the abortion practitioner and his abortion clinic staff.

“These are not just medical waste. These are human bodies — real human being were killed,” Pavone said. “There are two reasons here: One, to properly honor these children of course who have been dishonored by what Gosnell did. And secondly, to alert the public and to raise the consciousness that we are talking about real killings here.”

I am not a super religious guy but abortion is the work of the devil. It is a tragedy we have people running this country who embrace this cult of death. Unforgivable.

echosyst on April 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Ironically its the same braying Jackasses who support unfettered abortion that are for open borders and are screaming loudest now for Amnesty. No need for native born Americans when we can import workers from third world hellholes to manicure their lawns, clean their toilets and raise their brats (at a highly discounted rate too).

I can’t answer for the likes of Marxist Pig and Genuine Lee Stupid, obviously. Where I stand is when heart and brain activity are both detectable; if nothing else than for internal consistency, because that’s when I stand on life ENDING.

Berate me if and as you will.

MelonCollie on April 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

That’s a much better answer than lester gave. All he could muster was that one is human and one isn’t because of “the law.”

To me, it’s just a matter of incrementalism. Ontologically speaking, I see no difference between, say, a newborn baby and a fetus at 28-32 weeks. So then, is there an ontological difference between a 28 week old fetus and a 24 week old? How about 24 weeks and 20 weeks?

Every stage of fetal development is a potential human, but libs get very fuzzy when you ask them when it deserves the rights of a full human being. Under their narrow umbrella of ‘viability,’ it should also be legal to kill children born with Tay-Sachs, or Progeria, or an adult with advanced Stage 4 pancreatic cancer.

Will FB this along with the video I posted above.
The video exposes the manipulation of the public to get RvW passed.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
New International Version (NIV)

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

“Father Frank Pavone, the director of Priests for Life, has asked officials in the Kermit Gosnell murder trial case if he can have the bodies of the babies after the all of the court proceedings are finished. He wants a proper burial of the remains of 45 babies killed by the abortion practitioner and his abortion clinic staff.

“These are not just medical waste. These are human bodies — real human being were killed,” Pavone said. “There are two reasons here: One, to properly honor these children of course who have been dishonored by what Gosnell did. And secondly, to alert the public and to raise the consciousness that we are talking about real killings here.”

If a pregnant woman is beaten or killed and the baby dies, it’s murder. If a pregnant woman tries to commit suicide but survives and the baby dies, it’s murder. If a new mother abandons a newborn and it dies, it’s murder. So how is any late-term ‘abortion’ where the baby has a chance of survival not murder?

Obama said to Planned Parenthood baby-killers that Republicans want to return ‘reproductive health’ to the 1950′s. Yet it seems it’s Liberals who want to freeze women in the 1960′s: When we didn’t have the preemie and neonatal care we have today. When we didn’t have the birth control options we have today. When we didn’t have in-home pregnancy tests as we do today. When we didn’t have sex education in schools.

Obama and the baby-killers are essentially saying that though women have the right to choose whether or not to have a child, they are too ignorant and brainless to be trusted to use modern birth control, or if they do and it fails, they need 6 months or more to decide whether or not to abort the baby. Sick.

Also imagine if Planned Parenthood funneled all their money to Republicans instead of Democrats. There’d be plenty of outrage then.

It’s always seemed a bit arbitrary that inside the womb, it’s a choice, not a person, but outside, suddenly we attach criminal penalties even to scared teenage girls who kill through negligence rather than malice.

Let’s be consistent here. If viability isn’t the driving force, then why bother stopping at birth. If the mother wants to kill her 1 week old, how is that any worse for society than this?

Honestly, I’d love to know. How do those who support abortion at 24 weeks (especially those who support it even later) justify jailing the stereotypical pregnant prom queen who dumps her baby in a trash can after giving birth?

“Father Frank Pavone, the director of Priests for Life, has asked officials in the Kermit Gosnell murder trial case if he can have the bodies of the babies after the all of the court proceedings are finished. He wants a proper burial of the remains of 45 babies killed by the abortion practitioner and his abortion clinic staff.

“These are not just medical waste. These are human bodies — real human being were killed,” Pavone said. “There are two reasons here: One, to properly honor these children of course who have been dishonored by what Gosnell did. And secondly, to alert the public and to raise the consciousness that we are talking about real killings here.”