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I don't think I know one person who's gone education has helped the, get a job. Not one. My richest mate didn't even get a degree. Anothe rone is doing realyl well and he's got two GCSEs (I kid you not).

Everyone I know who went through school / college / uni working hard now has a shit job which they could have got without a single exam pass anyway. Yet, some people I know left school at 15, learnt how to be a plumber or sparky and are now skilled and minted.

The existance of all buildings, cars, toasters, ipods, computers, the internet, roads, electricity, milk, supermarkets.... all rely on the expertise of university educated people. If yout think education has no value you clearly aren't well enough educated.

I know that education isn't actually a waste of time. As JezCC said, before insulting me, that all the stuff around us is a product of education.

What I MEANT to say was that when you grow up, parents, teachers, adults tell you to stick with school and go to uni work hard at your qualifications as it's the best route to do what you want and to be financially stable. And my point it, no it's not.

If I left school at 15 and became a carpenter (something I've always wanted to do) then by now I'd be earning more and actually be skilled at something.

Maybe this has more to do with the nature of education. More theory and crap and less ands on work. Why the fuck did they take life skills out of the syllabus. I think there's something like only one college in the South East that teaches brick laying.

and I'd argue that you are still wrong about one thing. Education is still the best way to do waht you want and to be financially stable. If you'd learned to be a carpenter then you'd have been educated, and yes, I definitely agree that trying to shoehorn everyone into academic education is a terrible idea. This nation has a skills shortage in many practical areas and we're still trying to create more graduates who can't use their degree anywhere.

I'm making. I want life skills as well as other subjects. Stuff needs to be more vocational. Otherwise you leave uni and become a teacher / surveyor / accountant / fire fighter... all need vocational exams.

I duuno. Listen, I'm just hacked off that I was also told about this mythical end of the rainbow where employers fight over your amazing skills, where as in fact, you come out of uni an inexperienced, overweight twat who's destined to work in a fucking office, wasting away his life behind a desk, slowly losing any masculinity he might have ever had, whilst his actual dreams of being active or doing or making ANYTHING of value slips away into a fucking Excel spreadsheet.