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Friday, January 31, 2014

An Italian court yesterday reversed the acquittal of Amanda Knox and found her guilty of murder after a different Italian court had previously convicted her before another court overturned those convictions. Now, yet another Italian court must confirm the verdicts. Crazy. Amanda is in the US and as long as she continues to stay in the US will never be extradited to Italy. Her former boyfriend was in Italy for the trial and was stopped at the Austrian border trying to flee the country. Amanda was on Good Morning American to talk about the new verdict.
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Why was her boyfriend so dumb to stay in Italy and wait for verdict? Now he actually has to go to jail. She did the smart thing. Stay in US and continue as per normal. Too many things do not add up in this case so she is innocent in my eyes until they get real and proper evidence.

If the conviction is upheld, the US might not accept extradition. According to the US/Italy extradition treaty, the US can deny if the defendant has been acquitted previously. It might not even get to that phase, though.

I don't know if she had anything to do with it but there is zero evidence she was involved. The prosecutor's theory about why she did it has changed multiple times - from a sex thing gone awry to they fought over cleanliness of the apartment shows they have no clue what they are talking about. The US better not extradite her!

@nunaurbiz, they said that may not hold up as she was originally convicted only overturned on conviction and that this new trial convicted her so she was not really acquitted. I dunno but this is one crazy prosecutor and their justice system appears not to care that there was no evidence against them.

The U.S. will never extradite her, nor should they. From the Extradition Treaty with Italy:

"ARTICLE VI

Non Bis in Idem

Extradition shall not be granted when the person sought has beenconvicted, acquitted or pardoned, or has served the sentence imposed, by the Requested Party for the same acts for which extradition is requested."

Knox was tried, convicted, and acquitted upon appeal. The second conviction (by a prosecutor with a track record of claiming "satanic cults" did it, as in this case) is considered double jeopardy under U.S. law. In addition, another man, with a history of B&E, confessed to the crime and is in jail now for such. His DNA was all over the apartment, and on *and* inside the victim.

Zero doubt over here, she's guilty as sin.How the US handles it will be a tricky situation.I don't agree with the whole 'we don't do double jep' argument because of course...you are dealing with a different country. A different set of laws.

@Bacon, you're referring to her boss. Knox was tricked by the police into believing that it was his DNA found in the apartment and after over thirteen hours of interrogation without a lawyer or a bathroom break, she began to break down and concur with the police claims that he was involved. However, that man was exonerated.

I read up on this case extensively during the time she was imprisoned. The first responding police officers tainted the crime scene considerably by walking around in the apartment haphazardly without the proper protective gear. The murder’s, who was a drifter as mentioned previously, left a bloody footprint as well as “evidence” in the toilet. Amanda was guilty of being young and naïve. She acted inappropriately during the hours after the murder but there is no material evidence that points to her as the doer in this case. As far as the different statements, I feel like if I were muddling through a story in my second language I might not be very consistent either. Years of this woman’s life were taking from her because of a sensationalized trial. I hope for her sake it does not come to extradition.

We will never know the truth because the Italians fucked up everything. And it's unbelievable that the prosecutor is still able to practice. Read about the book :Monster of Florence". I feel horrible for Meredith's family. As for Amanda, it's impossible for me to say. Something is fishy but whether she actually did the murder, or how involved she was, we will never know.

Maybe here in the US we got a filtered version, but maybe in Europe a biased version was also given. She's never going to be extradited and if she's guilty her conviction shouldn't of been overturned. That's a failing on the part of the justice system. There are a lot of people walking free that shouldn't be but I don't see Amanda Knox turning into a raging serial killer. There are also a lot of people in prison who shouldn't be. None of us really know which she is even though from my perspective she's innocent and was steamrolled.

@Laura Ramona, she may have changed her statements multiple times, but so did the prosecution (in terms of all of the wacky theories/motives they came up with).

@Sophie Helene, we may have gotten the "American edit," but did you consider perhaps you got the "Euro edit?" Are you suggesting that the European version was more truthful than any other reporting? Doubtful. There was just as much anti-American bias in your reports as there was anti-Italian on ours.

Was she really retried or just following Italian appeals process?? If later then don't think that double jeopardy is even the issue. Interested to see how it all plays out. If a US tried convicted murderer was hiding in Italy they would not extradite them because we/the US have the death penalty. Don't know what logic we would use to deny an extradition request from Italy. I'm sure there will be some diplomatic mumbo jumbo so that we don't extradite and everyone saves a little face.

HOw is an appeals court vacating/overturning a verdict an acquittal? How will the US refuse to extradite her if it is obligated to do so? Also, the idea that the boyfriend was in fact fleeing does not really match what i've read elsewhere about what happened. In any event, she seems to have ample high powered legal help so the idea that she is being treated unfairly by the Italian legal system is a reach. The PR battle is just that--PR bulls**t.

The first trial was screwed upThe second found her guilty, along with her boyfriend.

Now it could be because of the scrutiny around the world wondering what happened that night, who knows? Either way, at this point the evidence says they are responsible for removing Meredith from this planet.

Well I really have no idea of her guilt or innocence, but I wouldn't trust the Italian legal system or the Italian press. Not sure why any American would.

As an American citizen that she is, she does deserve the protection that this provides as would any of you if you found yourself in a situation outside of this country as out of control as this one is.

So if you go abroad for any reason, you better hope the American justice system can help you if you find yourself in a predicament. Many times it cannot.

I always thought she was guilty because she changed her story so many times. That's why the police have you repeat your story to at least five different officers (or more if you keep changing what went down). A guilty person keeps changing the story.

I know this firsthand from when someone broke into my house and assaulted me. I was getting frustrated with so many teams of detectives coming out to ask me the same questions and as they called it, tie up loose ends. While all this was going on, there was a story in the local paper about another woman in our neighborhood being assaulted. I asked one of the female officers about it, and she said they couldn't corroborate that because the woman had told ten different stories to as many officers. Recently, I've heard law enforcement officials interviewed on TV, and that's one of the gauges they use to "assume" a person is lying. However, in the end, lying will not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt unless a good prosecuting attorney knows how to bring that to the table and convince a jury.

@GPS: You're reading the extradition treaty wrong. The "requested country" in the passage you cite is U.S. (since it's the country from which extradition would be requested). Knox has never been tried let alone acquitted in the U.S. That passage has nothing to do with "double jeopardy" in the *requesting country.*

On top of that, there's no violation of double jeopardy here in any case. Knox was convicted and then her conviction was overturned on appeal and then she was retried. That can and does happen in the U.S. frequently.

On top of that, the U.S. extradites to countries that don't recognize double jeopardy (e.g., Mexico, Scotland). It's not a bar to extradition at all.

Don't jump down people's throats about not having read the treaty when you obviously haven't read it carefully/don't have all the facts.

Now, the U.S. may decide not to extradite on policy/evidentiary grounds, but her extradition definitely wouldn't be barred by the treaty.

I don't think she is guilty. There actually is no evidence to support that. The "evidence" used to convict her turned to not be what it seemed. That's why her conviction was overturned and why it should be overturned again.

I'm in the UK and I have to say I think she's guilty and the buying lingerie the day after her flat mates been murdered, the blaming others, the putting the Kercher family link on her website implying they were ok with her when they weren't all are part of the reason

She was tricked? So she says but then she would wouldn't she? Why did she have a shower in the house even though she saw blood all over the floor and not investigate? Why did she go shopping the day after Meredith was found to buy sexy lingerie?!

Muddled? She accused someone of murder that's abit more than muddling and she's very very fluent in Italian, second language or not. The police did ruin the crime scene but this worked in her favour specifically the DNA on the bra strap which was excluded because of that.

In any country there can be abuse of judicial power, and too many innocent people have found themselves in jail. I would never convict on how someone appears. We have had two women put through the ringer in Australia because they kept their emotions in check: Lindy Chamberlain & Joanne Lees. Everyone responds differently. For police to tramp through evidence at a crime scene is arrogant & destroys any hope of getting a 'clean' conviction. I don't know who committed the murder, but I do know that correct procedure wasn't followed and that has brought grief to multiple families.

still I'm not a big believer in following media about cases.....there always seems to be a slant by the writer

she may very well be guilty but it could not be proven here in the US by our standard as opposed to Italian standards.....for that reason I do believe she will never be extradited. A reason will be found not to. They will prob ask for her to be jailed here, and I doubt the US would agree to that either.

Funny, Americans hate each other too-but they will stand to the death for each other against other nations.

I am really fascinated with the different comments here. Its been interesting reading. Personally i think the italians have fked this case beyond recognition. She probably should be let off due to lack of firm evidence. That doesnt however give MK's family any justice...But thats the fault of the italian system.

MK's family got justice in that Rudy Guede is in prison for the murder. I think he acted alone. I think Amanda was stoned and self absorbed at the time and did some dumb things, but, at the same time, too stoned to commit a murder and hide all her fingerprints, footprints, etc. She went to buy underwear cuz the police wouldn't let her back into her house and she had only the clothes on her back.

I've been waiting for this, and I am really happy at the verdict. She is a killer, and has the face to match. It's not just that she tried to frame someone else (her boss), which an innocent person wouldn't do, but that there is enough exact evidence to convict her. When trying to frame Lumumba, she said that she was there and heard Meredith's screams. And she was not interrogated for 13 hours without a break. She had an interpreter, tea and bathroom breaks. She did not lie under duress, she lied to save her ass. Yes, the murder scene was cleaned up, but with and without luminol, there are traces of Knox's footprints in Meredith's blood. While at the police station with some of Meredith's friends, Knox said that Meredith was killed by the closet. At that time, none of these details were known - except by the killer. Her friends reported this to the police and suggested that she be viewed as a suspect. She shouldn't have known that, as the body was moved after death. She and Sollecito knew things that only the killer would know. I think the evidence holds up. Too much of it. I've read the website themurderofmeredithkercher.com, as well as true justice for Meredith Kercher. I think they both hold up. Anyway, I hope she is extradited and serves time. Killer.

It is amazing to me the number of people who can determine her guilt or innocence by her face. Ridiculous. Luckily, in the United States, trials proceed on evidence, which in this case was completely bungled by the inept Italians.

And yeah, lots of people do and say weird things when a crime has been committed. Innocent people even confess. Human psychology is very weird, so that is why legal systems are based on evidence, not behavior or facial features. Excuse me while I go roll my eyes.

There is 0 physical evidence! In today's day and age no one should be convicted of murder without physical evidence! The investigation was sloppy with contradicting lab results. And it was a very messy scene so some evidence should have been found if she was guilty.

@Jeannies bottle: I totally agree with you. I am American, live in Europe, and speak/read Italian. The Italian press slaughtered her (satanic foxyroxy underwearbuyer). That said, she named Mr. Lumumba, an innocent Congolese bar owner, as the killer. She smoked pot. I can't remember if she bought it from Rudy Guede (an Ivorian now in prison for the murder)but if he was implicated why would she bring in someone else?

AMANDA KNOX IS AS GUILTY AS SIN. SHE NOT ONLY CHANGED HER STORY MULTIPLE TIMES, BUT THE STORIES SHE GAVE ARE CLEARLY LOES. SHE SAIDMSHE WERE PLACES SHE HAS NEVER BEEN, SHE LOGGED ON THE COMOUTER WHEN SHE CLAIMED TO BE SLEEPING, AND THERE IS NO COMPUTER ACTIVITY WHEN SHE SAID SHE WERE USING IT. HER DNA WAS ON THE KNIFE, THEN THEY COMPLAINED IT WEREN'T A BIG ENOUGH SAMPLE TO RETEST, THEN IT TUENED OUT WITH MORE MODERN TECHNIC THEY RETESTED TWO AREAS, AND KNOX's BLOOD AND MEREDITH'S WERE BOTH ON IT. ALSO, KNOX TOLD PEOPLE DETAILS OF CRIME SCENE AND VICTIMS BODY (STAB AREAS) THAT WERE NOT RELEASED! WITNESSES SAW HER THERE AND SAW HER BUYING BLEACH THE NEXT MORNNG EARLY. SHE IS GUILTY. SHE IS A PSYCHOPATH AND PROVEN LIAR.

P.s. THIS IS ALL JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE EVIDENCE. ADD IN IMPLICATING RAMDOMLY AN INNOCENT MAN WTH AN AIRTIGHT ALIBY, SHE IS AN EVIL LYING MURDERER, AND PEOPLE ARE ONLY THINING SHE IS NNOCENT BECAUSE OF HER PR TEAM AND HER LOOKS.

i really wish people would get their facts right on rudy guede claiming amanda & rafeale were involved. he originally had a longer sentence than them and when he said that "they did it with him" his sentenced was reduced to sixteen years. geez just think about that and what he got out of that for making that shit up. their is no DNA evidence of them there and really even if there was, the police contaminated the evidence so badly and screwed up their own evidence.

@nunaurbiz, the US regularly denies extradition requests from other countries. I'd say this chick is on safe ground - though I hope she got the travel bug out of her system because she may not be able to visit many countries in future.

I know this is a serious thread, but fracking LOL @EmilyYeah - you said it re Brit papers, 'believe me we wouldn't get pro Italian anything' - heh. Substitute any European country into that statement and it holds.

Texas Rose is correct. There's no double jeopardy when the acquittal is part of the regular appeals process. On top of that, the acquittal wasn't with a jury. Even Alan Dershowitz said there's almost no way the USA wouldn't extradite her under the treaty -- the only thing she's got on her side is her looks and possible public support, but not legal and treaty backing.

The whole thing is so murky, I'm not sure if she did the actual killing, but also I don't think she's 100% innocent. This dumb bitch needs to count her blessings and stay away from the cameras and just live a low profile life. Don't make OJ's mistakes, Miss Knox.

Knox brings out strong emotions, and this case pushes all kinds of buttons, clearly. But I don't think she's guilty of murder -- even though her odd behavior sets off alarms left and right. I think she is a somewhat eccentric personality who drew attention to herself and became the lead suspect because of her personality (cartwheels, the Nazi photo, making out on the doorstep while the body was being moved, the lingerie shop thing, etc., etc.). I just don't think she's a murderer, though.

All she is guilty of is being an American exchange student that the locals hate. They come into their towns, take their jobs, have sex with their men & woman and take off.

Amanda was convicted in the court of Italian public opinion. The courts just followed suit to save face. Feel sorry for ex Italian boyfriend that will have to suffer the brunt of it alone in jail again for almost 30 years now.

Krab said........ Luckily, in the United States, trials proceed on evidence, which in this case was completely bungled by the inept Italians.

Have just pissed myself laughing at that statement. How many trials have been run on bungled or false evidence in the US? Purlease.

As for Knox, she definitely had something to do with the murder of Meredith, she'll never tell now since I believe she's enjoying her safety and 'celebrity' in US and feels nice and protected. She may very well be extradited, since the world will not stand for so much one way traffic of extraditions to US, but relatively few on the way out. Plus the verdict was the result of an appeal, it's not another trial. Italy doesn't have Double Jeopardy. US wants to extradite an Autistic man who hacked their computers to US to 'face justice', but doesn't want to send a probable killer back to face justice in another country? Pah.

And exactly what would be the motive for these three acquaintances to conspire and slaughter an innocent girl so violently? They'd all have to be criminally psychotic, and quite frankly, I don't see that coincident occurring--random strangers meeting each other in a short period of time and all getting off on gruesomely murdering a young lady.

I don't know what happened in Italy, but I think it's a much more likely scenario that in order to deter panic, the police needed suspects in custody right away, and they had to back the arrest up with justification. Police are imperfect, too, and they are sometimes pressured to make facts fit theories rather than theories to fit the facts--to quote Sir Conan Doyle.

I don't know about you, but if I came home and found my roommate brutally murdered in her bed, I know I'd be pretty mentally and emotionally effed up for a good, long while. And guess what? Police have a long history of using abusive techniques to get confessions from innocent people--even here in America:http://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/41297877.html

As far as the rationale that more than one person was needed to kill Meredith in this manner, that's B.S. Sadly, one man can restrain and rape and violently kill one woman. It's horrifically been done often enough.

Maybe we should all question why Amanda Knox is the only focus here? What about the third alleged conspirator? He seems to be never mentioned. Think about that. Where's the public outrage at his alleged horrific crimes?

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