peeker643 wrote:Well, I clearly remember some guys being edging thrilled with ging up to get TRich ( THEY WANTED HIM!!!!) and Weeds. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch for a few days. And enjoy the back pedaling and rationalization.

Go at it, boys!

Enjoy!!!

Sometimes people are wrong. Sometimes people change their minds. Who gives a fuck?

Ha! Not me.

I only had to hear shit for a year about it. Hear about draft profiles and other such horseshit. From people who wanna make cracks about draft profiles and other such inane crap.

Love getting 'the guy they wanted and moved up for' an the gunslinger.

No idea why anyone would give a fuck. No idea why anyone would feel like saying," Hey, where are the fucking dipshits who loved those moves?"

HoodooMan wrote:Also, I don't know what team you guys have been watching, but I don't hear of T-Rich's departure and think, "Oh noez, how are we going to score points NOW?!?!"

I don't think this is a tank move. I think it's more like switching to Timmuh in '99 after getting blasted in the opening game--an acceptance of what we are, and going from there. We were already going to be bad enough to be in position for one of Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, or Boyd. We just sold high on a dud from the last regime to get our next QB someone worth throwing to.

I believe they are purposely tanking, but if one wants to translate it as "we realize that we're not going to contend for a SB this year and we feel that a 1st round pick has much more long-term value than a very replaceable Trent Richardson even if it hurts the team somewhat in the present although we want to make sure you know that we most certainly are NOT tanking", then that's fine too.

e0y2e3 wrote:Not that I've watched the Borwns yet this year, but when RBs get traded for first round picks their "name" still has value.

Sure, and no doubt the Colts figure they can resurrect him.

But as far as what he's actually shown on the field? He's been William Green. Before WG kind of figured it out prior to his injury/stabbing thing.

I like our chances of coming out looking good on this one. I think the Colts pulled a Raiders/Palmer panic deal, and we got out from under a slow, meh RB with bad knees who peaked in his Soph year at Bama.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Hikohadon wrote:Heard MacGahee is taking physical to become the new starting RB. Funny thing is he might be every bit as effective. For free.

Funny, just before I came here I responded to a friend's email and said that T-Rich is an average RB that gets what the defense gives him and nothing more. Similar to McGahee last season.

I'm all for the move. He was allegedly hurt all last year but showed nothing these 2 games when healthy and motivated. He is nothing special. Weeden has been getting tons of heat and T-Rich deserves just as much.

Because literally only someone that doesn't watch college football would be dumb enough to say Marriota is the top QB in the draft. He's at the very best the third and Scouts, fans and well everyone else agrees.

Oregon redshirt sophomore Marcus Mariota is now listed as NFL Network draft analyst Buck Brooks' No. 1 QB.Mariota moved up from No. 2. "It's time to give Mariota his props as one of college football's top players," Brooks writes. "He is a stat-stuffing machine with the ability to put up ridiculous numbers as a dual-threat playmaker." Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel moved up to No. 2, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater dropped to No. 3, UCLA's Brett Hundley moved from No. 7 to No. 4, and Clemson's Tajh Boyd dropped one spot to No. 5.Source: NFL.com Sep 18 - 2:49 PM

HoodooMan wrote:Also, I don't know what team you guys have been watching, but I don't hear of T-Rich's departure and think, "Oh noez, how are we going to score points NOW?!?!"

I don't think this is a tank move. I think it's more like switching to Timmuh in '99 after getting blasted in the opening game--an acceptance of what we are, and going from there. We were already going to be bad enough to be in position for one of Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, or Boyd. We just sold high on a dud from the last regime to get our next QB someone worth throwing to.

It's not a tank move as much as a "we no longer give a shit who knows we are tanking" move. They are turning a replaceable asset into a draft pick in the unthinkable event that the defense is accidentally good enough from keeping them from either Ted or Tahj. More bullets and all that.

They will probably get there by themselves but it never hurts to hedge, especially with the most Interchangable position on the field.

I'm beside myself that they got a first.

Does this mean I don't think they won't somehow fuck it up?...no. No it does not.

HoodooMan wrote:Also, I don't know what team you guys have been watching, but I don't hear of T-Rich's departure and think, "Oh noez, how are we going to score points NOW?!?!"

I don't think this is a tank move. I think it's more like switching to Timmuh in '99 after getting blasted in the opening game--an acceptance of what we are, and going from there. We were already going to be bad enough to be in position for one of Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, or Boyd. We just sold high on a dud from the last regime to get our next QB someone worth throwing to.

It's not a tank move as much as a "we no longer give a shit who knows we are tanking" move. They are turning a replaceable asset into a draft pick in the unthinkable event that the defense is accidentally good enough from keeping them from either Ted or Tahj. More bullets and all that.

They will probably get there by themselves but it never hurts to hedge, especially with the most Interchangable position on the field.

I'm beside myself that they got a first.

Does this mean I don't think they won't somehow fuck it up?...no. No it does not.

HoodooMan wrote:Also, I don't know what team you guys have been watching, but I don't hear of T-Rich's departure and think, "Oh noez, how are we going to score points NOW?!?!"

I don't think this is a tank move. I think it's more like switching to Timmuh in '99 after getting blasted in the opening game--an acceptance of what we are, and going from there. We were already going to be bad enough to be in position for one of Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, or Boyd. We just sold high on a dud from the last regime to get our next QB someone worth throwing to.

It's not a tank move as much as a "we no longer give a shit who knows we are tanking" move. They are turning a replaceable asset into a draft pick in the unthinkable event that the defense is accidentally good enough from keeping them from either Ted or Tahj. More bullets and all that.

They will probably get there by themselves but it never hurts to hedge, especially with the most Interchangable position on the field.

I'm beside myself that they got a first.

Does this mean I don't think they won't somehow fuck it up?...no. No it does not.

peeker643 wrote:Well, I clearly remember some guys being edging thrilled with ging up to get TRich ( THEY WANTED HIM!!!!) and Weeds. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch for a few days. And enjoy the back pedaling and rationalization.

Go at it, boys!

Enjoy!!!

Sometimes people are wrong. Sometimes people change their minds. Who gives a fuck?

Ha! Not me.

I only had to hear shit for a year about it. Hear about draft profiles and other such horseshit. From people who wanna make cracks about draft profiles and other such inane crap.

Love getting 'the guy they wanted and moved up for' an the gunslinger.

No idea why anyone would give a fuck. No idea why anyone would feel like saying," Hey, where are the fucking dipshits who loved those moves?"

But I digress.

What's funny is that this one is like a year old.

Sorry I forgot the glasses, I guess I didn't take the time to be thorough back in '12.

FTR - I told you many times that you might very well be right in your assessment, my issue with your takes was how much of a bitch you sounded like.

Fortunately your "I told you so" take from tonight shows you have moved beyond your previously whiny ways.

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Oregon redshirt sophomore Marcus Mariota is now listed as NFL Network draft analyst Buck Brooks' No. 1 QB.Mariota moved up from No. 2. "It's time to give Mariota his props as one of college football's top players," Brooks writes. "He is a stat-stuffing machine with the ability to put up ridiculous numbers as a dual-threat playmaker." Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel moved up to No. 2, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater dropped to No. 3, UCLA's Brett Hundley moved from No. 7 to No. 4, and Clemson's Tajh Boyd dropped one spot to No. 5.Source: NFL.com Sep 18 - 2:49 PM

I'm not sure who Buck Brooks is, but I am sure he is an enormous asshole. What an awful draft board.

scrambler wrote:I'm not sure how good the Colts are. This is a team that had to come from behind to beat the Terelle Pryor Raiders in his first NFL start then lost to the same Dolphins team at home that the Browns lost to also. They are not far from losing two straight at home to start the season. I think this is a potential top 10 pick and at worst 15.

I agree. Everything went right for them last year. Luck is really good. Still due for a step back.

Oregon redshirt sophomore Marcus Mariota is now listed as NFL Network draft analyst Buck Brooks' No. 1 QB.Mariota moved up from No. 2. "It's time to give Mariota his props as one of college football's top players," Brooks writes. "He is a stat-stuffing machine with the ability to put up ridiculous numbers as a dual-threat playmaker." Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel moved up to No. 2, Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater dropped to No. 3, UCLA's Brett Hundley moved from No. 7 to No. 4, and Clemson's Tajh Boyd dropped one spot to No. 5.Source: NFL.com Sep 18 - 2:49 PM

I'm not sure who Buck Brooks is, but I am sure he is an enormous asshole. What an awful draft board.

considering I was actually wrong about Ubaldo Jimenez ever being able to pitch major league baseball with any effectiveness, it may be I could be right about one thing as well. (or not). I really think the Colts win no more than 6 or 7 this year and this is a top 10 or top 15 pick. Richardson didn't look as good as Peyton Hillis did one year with the team...I like the trade ok I think. Hell, he didn't look as good as Jerome Harrison did one or two years with the team. dive, dive

FUDU wrote:First, anyone else having a helluva time getting on this site the last hour?

Second, OK fine boo hoo man, but the conventional wisdom still had the Colts improving/doing well this year. A WC choice by many. I'm actually more with you though, that this just might be a steal.

Actually, conventional wisdom saw the Colts as regressing from the very typical improvement attributed to the last place schedule they had in 2012. You could find a Vegas over under total as low as 8. That team has little defense and an awful offensive line. Of the 3 things that matter in the league, they got one of em'. Albeit the most important, but also only in his second year.

Playing the schedule they have this year, with no way to get to the QB, and no way to protect their own.....that ain't makin' the playoffs in this day and age.

And, by the way, as awful as their O line is, the Browns could hit the jackpot if Luck gets hurt for a stretch. From what I've seen so far this year, he's got a pretty good chance of missing some games.

peeker643 wrote:Well, I clearly remember some guys being edging thrilled with ging up to get TRich ( THEY WANTED HIM!!!!) and Weeds. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch for a few days. And enjoy the back pedaling and rationalization.

Go at it, boys!

Enjoy!!!

Sometimes people are wrong. Sometimes people change their minds. Who gives a fuck?

Ha! Not me.

I only had to hear shit for a year about it. Hear about draft profiles and other such horseshit. From people who wanna make cracks about draft profiles and other such inane crap.

Love getting 'the guy they wanted and moved up for' an the gunslinger.

No idea why anyone would give a fuck. No idea why anyone would feel like saying," Hey, where are the fucking dipshits who loved those moves?"

But I digress.

Good Lord, get a room with Soul Dawg & grudge on. Just remember that every voodoo doll of me u buy on line a cut goes to me.

Turns out that Weeds blows, TRich is average. You win. Huzzah & hosannah to the highest. you hit a few draft dork web sites & regurgitated enough of it when slow at work and you're now all mad for being right? Christ you act like you actually scouted or did something that was your original work & slapped some poseur articles out of it like it was ur work. Glossed yourself a. "Draft expert" before you got ur balls busted & then edited the headline. Regardless of the outcome it was goofy and beneath you cause I know you & that aint you. You're just one of us with a take or two.

when you're a Browns fan and you try to be optimistic you get it broken off. Onto the next one. Maybe Ill learn.

It sucks that we traded up to take TRich at #3 and then turned that into a mid 1st rounder. But right now, on Sept 18 2013, to get a first rounder for a RB, TR, for ANY RB is a good trade.

RB is the most interchangeable position on the field. ANd when you are in the market for a franchise QB, with an upcoming draft that has a potential couple of them, you have to make sure your gun is loaded going into that.

They should just draw the blinds shut and say come back in 2014. Anybody think we can end up with Clowney at #1 and trade up into the top 5 and end up with a QB?

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

I was in a car with the Diagio Salesman on my way to Niles to drink free Don Julio Tequila when I heard this (yes, I'm bragging, Fuck you!!)

It took me less than a second to start laughing and applauding. I was on the fence before this move on whether or not this FO was committed to tanking. Now I'm 100% sure this FO wants the team to go 0-16.

Either we have ammo to trade up, or we have more picks to work with next year.

I'm fine with it since I've devalued the RB position and believe we fleeced the Colts.

Whether or not we actually utilize the picks properly is another thread.

This tank gives us two chances to get us a franchise QB. 1) We'll suck so bad we'll be in the top 2 or 3 of the draft, or2) We'll be in a better position to trade into the top 2 spots if we aren't already there.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

kman_holla8 wrote:They should just draw the blinds shut and say come back in 2014

Wasn't this already the case before the trade?

After stockpiling picks at the draft, yes but now after the Boyer announcement undoubtably so. In continuing the trend to improve the fan exprience at the next home game

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

So are we supposed to cheer for the Browns these last 7 home games? Or does management want us to cheer for the visiting team? Because Wednesday's roster activity makes me feel like the FO wants us to hope the Browns lose..........because 0-16 is quite clearly the goal.

Maybe they'll play the pump-up music and turn on the smoke machine when the Bengals come out next Sunday. Play the "Who dey say gon' beat them Bengals" jingle. PA Announcer shouts "FIRST DOWN BENGALS!" every time Gio Bernard and The Law Firm move the sticks.

"And three of the better guys in franchise history, Daugherty, Z and now Kyrie could get hurt in a rubber room full of cotton balls." - Leadpipe

I was never excited about Richardson. He never averaged 4 yards per carry, missed a lot of time. He's not a top 20 back. This offseason they're focusing on the offense. TRich isn't the back they need for their system. A LOT of these guys won't be here next year. I hope Little and Ogbonnaya are next, I'll drive them to the airport.

Browns fans are so hungry they're grasping at straws. Lets look at the last two players Browns fans were infatuated with. Peyton Hillis and Josh Cribbs. Where are they now? Hillis is 4th string on the worst team in the NFL, and Cribbs is out of the league. Whatever you do, DON'T buy a jersey with a player's name on it until we have a decent team!!! Just send me the money instead.

Spin wrote: Peyton Hillis and Josh Cribbs. Where are they now? Hillis is 4th string on the worst team in the NFL, and Cribbs is out of the league. .

There's quite a big difference between the two.

I could tell that Cribbs time as a home run hitting kick returner was over about 2 years a go. I was sad to see him go, but at the same time realized his time was up.

But, he built up quite a resume before getting to that point. 8 kickoff returns for touchdowns (tied for most of all time), 3 Pro Bowls, 2 All-Pro teams, and was named to the 2000's all-decade team. Hell, you could probably pencil him as the KR to Metcalf's PR on the All-Time Browns team now. He'd be literally one of the only post-1999 players you could do that with.

Plus that 09 Steelers in which he literally carried the team on his back to try to get a win made him a bit of a folk hero.

Not to mention that he attended (and still gives back) to a local university that happens to be home to a pretty huge alumni base that overlaps with the Browns fanbase.

His legacy is pretty well off, and he seems like he didn't really burn any bridges with the fanbase to boot.

All in all, I can walk downtown in his jersey, and it won't be met with any sort of negative reactions for it.

Cannot say the same about Hillis.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.