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.....so hard to answer correctly....

Just shows how crass some countries' laws are that this sort of stupidity is needed to allow what is effectively a lottery to be open to their residents. By doing this a lottery becomes a contest and the stupid politicians are happy.

My rank 1 choice actually is Kannagi. My reasoning being it is beyond what I'm willing to commit to doing for an in game item and I don't have a group to make it less time consuming and make it 85 quickly which is as far as I'd likely get it, I also already have my 99 magician katanas which while no comparison in the long run get the job done.

It is also a weapon I would actually want to use unlike any of the mythics and most of the relic weapons, Blade:Hi just seems really good for Ninja and it looks cool. I know that mythics would be the biggest bang for buck choice but if I never use it then it would mostly be town gear or a conversation piece. I hope I win something ^^ 5x umbral marrow would be nice gil.

So you chose something that can be done in a couple days by two people, instead of options that are worth hundreds of millions of gil, and in the case of mythics potentially requiring a year+ of endgame as well(assuming new to ein/nyzul)?

I know everyone is free to choose w/e the **** they want, but you done ****** up.

Its not really worth anything though, thats just the price based on the materials. Its worth to me is simply its utility and if I will actually use it which in Kannagi's case I will.

Although 2 days would be a bit of a hardcore session yes I believe you can get an 85 Kannagi very quickly. I've helped with enough Sobek's while getting +2 gear to know you can get 50 skins over 2 weeks of average nightly groups, but I don't want to be that guy shouting for what is now old content or pestering my ls to help me, maybe if I jumped on it earlier it would be more up my street.

To me this is an opportunity to get an item I want that is otherwise out of my way the key thing being that I want, I'd choose Kannagi every chance I get till I won if only I could just magicly get someone to do one for me....but then again I'm not a magian....

Protip: They're only giving the level 90 version, so your Kannagi will still need the 1500 Heavy Metal Plates, which is the real cost of an Empyrean (~150mil, minimum, and not to mention cinder/dross).

I think it goes without question by most that you are doin' it way wrong.

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Airships on fire off the shoulder of Bahamut. I watched Scapula Beams glitter in the dark near the Three Mage Gate...

I'd never get that anyway so 90 is fine for me, most people seem to be fixated on the cost of the mythic weapon and its rarity/difficulty to obtain as making it the logical best choice keeping in mind that it is also a level 90 weapon I won't ever get to 99 stage it is also not something I personally would use.

Neither of them can be sold so its only real value to myself is its utility and whether it can be used to give myself a new edge as I only really play around in abyssea the Kannagi Blade:Hi combo seems to be the way to go and it is otherwise something I would not have unless I really got my act together and put aside a good few weeks and said right I'm doing this even if I have to solo my pop sets and a few NM's right now I'm not in a position to do that.

You could liken it to choosing a sports car over a mansion in the bahamas (neither of which your allowed to sell ever) a lot of people have sports cars not all but you see them up and down and you could and would drive it everywhere you go, impressing people who don't have one with its speed (damage numbers of Blade:Hi to those who don't have an empy they do make you go :O remember when they first came out that feeling) yes if you worked hard maybe you could of bought one someday but here is an oppurtunity to get it right now for free.

The mansion in the bahamas is a very rare thing that not many people could ever afford to have but its also just in the bahamas (mog house) you could bring people to see it and its nice and all but what does it do? Its great to say you have it but you don't really use it as your life is elsewhere you still need to work as there was no money in this deal so you know its just there gathering dust and all the time your sat in it you just think I should of got the sports car.

Protip: When you stop making choices based on what will make you happy and provide fun in a game your doin' it way wrong.

I'd never get that anyway so 90 is fine for me, most people seem to be fixated on the cost of the mythic weapon and its rarity/difficulty to obtain as making it the logical best choice keeping in mind that it is also a level 90 weapon I won't ever get to 99 stage it is also not something I personally would use. [...] Protip: When you stop making choices based on what will make you happy and provide fun in a game your doin' it way wrong.

Unless mythics are your thing and will provide that feeling.

Somebody didn't actually read the thread beyond the first mention of Kannagi and didn't want to feel stupid for picking it over Mythics.

Protip the third: Mythic Katana is better than Kannagi, or at least the best offhand to a Kannagi you could make in a week if you were lazy.

Statistical certainty has nothing to do with it. You chose poorly and we of this thread totally called that somebody would.

Edited, Jul 14th 2012 11:36am by Raelix

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Airships on fire off the shoulder of Bahamut. I watched Scapula Beams glitter in the dark near the Three Mage Gate...

I'd never get that anyway so 90 is fine for me, most people seem to be fixated on the cost of the mythic weapon and its rarity/difficulty to obtain as making it the logical best choice keeping in mind that it is also a level 90 weapon I won't ever get to 99 stage it is also not something I personally would use. [...] Protip: When you stop making choices based on what will make you happy and provide fun in a game your doin' it way wrong.

Unless mythics are your thing and will provide that feeling.

Somebody didn't actually read the thread beyond the first mention of Kannagi and didn't want to feel stupid for picking it over Mythics.

Protip the third: Mythic Katana is better than Kannagi, or at least the best offhand to a Kannagi you could make in a week if you were lazy.

Statistical certainty has nothing to do with it. You chose poorly and we of this thread totally called that somebody would.

Edited, Jul 14th 2012 11:36am by Raelix

I read this thread and ones before it on ffxiah.com saying how bad it would be to choose it over a Mythic etc but if it is what I would like and want to use it can't really be stupid and my odds of winning are such that ultimately it probably won't matter I may not even be playing anymore next year so it would be nice for me to have it before I leave.

I don't think it would be better really and the model alone is enough to convince me not to use it as it looks kind of rubbish even as an offhand weapon lol I'll settle for looks over killing X NM 30 seconds faster which lets face it is all these weapons do, just makes you do what you did yesterday a little bit faster and more efficiently either way the monster with enough support and mostly appropriate gear winds up dead.

Choosing poorly has nothing to do with this situation though we are both thinking about it in different ways.

I'm looking at what I want to have fun with, I would like a Kannagi but don't have one. I don't care for the Mythic weapon at all, if I won the Mythic I'd still want a Kannagi though if I win the Kannagi I'll be content which meets my needs and goals.

Your viewpoint is based on the relative ease and effort required to obtain the Kannagi as opposed to the Mythic, with this in mind it seems unreasonable and foolish for someone to choose a lesser item over such a rare coveted piece. There has been much player specualtion as to why Empyrean weapons have been grouped with Mythics particularly if only up to the 90 stage likening it with SE being out of touch and not knowing the game etc.

We are both right though most of the people posting here on the forum will probably share your view as that is the nature and standpoint of most players with commited ties to the forums and with their experience of the game what they see as the correct choice.

I've been playing since 2006 now and have followed and tracked up a lot of information but often make choices that from a numbers or pure logic sense you may find more akin to a newb or a player who does not understand the game, though most of these choices often boil down to the fact that I find some aspect of it unrewarding or unnecessary and or otherwise compromising my enjoyment of the game. I'm at fault every single time and you can prove it wrong or obsolete with ease but I cannot put into words how right it feels and how much more enjoyment I derive from playing its a shame that you probably won't be thinking anything more than this guy must suck lol. Though my explanation is lacking detail so that is to be expected but don't worry that is not the case I prefer upper medium as a modest evaluation.

I don't think you're a bad player. I just think you're an idiot. There's a pretty major difference.

You know Kannagi is a good weapon, you're probably a decent enough player just on that, but don't realize you're blowing a chance at something worth far more effort on something I would actually sit down for a weekend and get for you just so you don't make such a stupid decision; now you make page-long posts trying to defend that decision.

We all make mistakes. It's when somebody points out that some dork will make an easy mistake and that dork comes 'round to defend himself that shenanigans start, especially when you come back next week with 'Hey guys, I won my Kannagi, how hard is it to get these heavy metal plates I need?'

So in the end, I only point and laugh because:

Edited, Jul 14th 2012 4:35pm by Raelix

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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Airships on fire off the shoulder of Bahamut. I watched Scapula Beams glitter in the dark near the Three Mage Gate...

Lol great clip haha I'm sorry you feel that way besides a prerequisite of playing an MMO is being a bit of a dork there is nothing wrong with that though, it would be so funny if I did win it just to see the reaction of the players haha LEEEERROOOY JEEEENKINS!!!! it was in all honesty a serious choice by myself though not a joke I stand by the decision for the reasons I said previously.

I'd never get that anyway so 90 is fine for me, most people seem to be fixated on the cost of the mythic weapon and its rarity/difficulty to obtain as making it the logical best choice keeping in mind that it is also a level 90 weapon I won't ever get to 99 stage it is also not something I personally would use.

Mythics are stupid easy to get from 90->99, definitely the easiest of the 3, possibly intentional due to the fact mythics are by far the worst of the 3 just to get the original 75 piece (and I'm sure a lv99 Nagi would still potentially be a useful weapon, even if it's definitely not one of the better mythics). Scoria is worth far less than marrow on most servers from what it seems, and you only need 3 as opposed to 5. Given that PW doesn't seem to be nearly as difficult to farm a pop for and consistently take down as ADL can be, I would think it's not hard to find 3 scoria.

Barring a win of my own, I sincerely hope a 'useless' pick wins just to continue the tsunami of butthurt I am seeing over someones choice to pick a Kannagi.

It's almost as if some people are literally incapable of understanding that not everyone prioritizes effort:reward ratio in a video game.

As an important addendum, how 'easy' an empy is to make is directly proportional to the amount of helpers you have.

If you have two full parties farming pops, claiming the timed spawns, proccing red, providing TH, and holding sets so that you can chainspawn 10 NMs at a time... yes, it is a joke and you'll be done in a weekend.

If you're soloing, you're going to have to make sacrifices. You can't do all the things. You'll either farm without TH or farm without many red procs. Without burning meds on a perfect NIN/WAR, some of the NMs will require a subjob that has less red procs. If you lack the event items to proc weapons you usually cant equip, you're even further SOL.

Then, after slowfarming a set (would be even slower to farm pops, warp, regear, go back, pop on nin/war, proc reds, warp, go back on another job to fight), you have to solo the NM. This can (rarely) go wrong, but will always be incredibly slow and frequently yield single-drops without TH. Then when you're done, you have to do the whole farming phase again because you can't have six sets queud up one after another.

tl;dr: If you don't have a group of helpers or a dual-box WHM and nothing in your life but free time, making an empy can be a daunting task. It's easy for some people (it was easy for me), but back when I didn't have help I got fed up after slowly soloing about ten Briareus helms on NIN/DNC. I can see why someone who doesn't have helpers and doesn't wanna spend 200 hours grinding would pick one.

I did pick a mythic because even solo, an empy is theoretically attainable... I don't think there's enough Alexandrite flowing on my server to finish a mythic before the heat death of the universe, even if I could afford the 4-600 million gil pricetag. Nevermind the ridiculous prereq quests.

So I was ok with hearing that JP fans who physically attended vanafest could buy the in-event items (6 for about 35-40$) and redeem the codes for in game items, including (and they didn't say the amount that will be given away) afterglow weapons.

I was ok with this when I thought they were going to give away a HIGHER quantity of lvl 90 weapons to NA and EU folks.

That may be true, Reiter, if you do not have things to do in your life and do not value your time.

I could have easily solo'd my Almace, but I could not have quickly solo'd my Almace. The NMs are not all that hard, I solo'd plenty of them during quiet hours when no one was around.

The drop rates without TH suck, the KI rates without 13/13 red procs suck, spawning the NM once rather than several times sucks. Tanking Pantagruel backwards for a minute because Violent Flourish missed and you can't afford to be para'd and miss Moribund Hack sucks. You're looking at a marginal increase in difficulty and an exponential increase in time spent.

If you don't factor in time or efficiency, every single thing in abyssea is easy because you could just farm cruor solo for a few hours and then brew it, eventually getting the drop you need... it's not difficult. ****, it's 'easier' than forming a party and fighting it the normal way! And yet, if you form the party, you'll get procs and TH and some actual drops, and forego the hours of cruor farming...

Y'know, if you have something to do outside within the next month, rather than soloing abyssea NMs from sunup to sundown in a pit of empty cheetos bags.

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In games/cases where your reward often comes at the expense of the effort of other people, it usually should be prioritized.

Implying any of the people who picked a mythic are actually going to make a mythic if they don't win. The kannagi, on the other hand, is something that very likely would be been done eventually, so if you want to boil this down to work saved...

It's not like a mythic can be sold. If you don't want one, what sense does it make to win one just because it's expensive? I imagine a 50 pound ball of guano from an endangered species of bat is quite rare and valuable, but if I didn't have the option of selling it or giving it to someone who needed it, I wouldn't even take it over a quesadilla.

The effort it takes to get a Mythic to 99 (3 Scoria = ~20mil and 3 Salvage runs) is pretty insignificant compared to the effort it takes to get an Empyrean or Relic to 99. If you are a casual player looking to get a good weapon out of the Bonanza because you don't have time to play, picking anything other than a mythic is just a bad choice. You can get the 95 in two or three days (or within a ~5 hour period with the right preparation and timezone) and plink gil away to get it to 99 on your own time schedule. Gil is not hard to get these days. Your three Salvage runs to get it to 95 will, depending on your zone, server, and luck with pouches, potentially already fund one of your Scoria.

If you look at these weapons as a path to the 99 version, then you're comparing: Mythic - Costs ~20 mil. Relic - Costs 2-3 times as much Empyrean - Costs ten times as much

So a 90 Kannagi is going to stay a 90 Kannagi forever for casual players, especially those too casual to seriously consider making it. Regardless how casual you are, anyone with a bare minimum of competence, a modicum of effort, and two friends can get their Mythic to 95. Given a slightly sustained effort, farming gil for the Scorias really isn't that hard either. If you compare a 99 Mythic to a 90 Empyrean, the 90 Empyrean is rarely (if ever?) better... even when that Mythic is Nagi, which is arguably one of the worst mythics. Choosing Kannagi is not a rational decision unless you are going to play so little with it that you might as well not have entered the drawing in the first place and could have just left it for someone that might actually use it.

I have no doubt that someone like the Kannagi guy will win the Rank 1 prize. I'm really hoping that I can win a Rank 3 prize, but I doubt I will. Best of luck to everyone!

Just to add additional details the Kannagi and the Mythic would both be staying at there 90 version and I'd not be upgrading them unless it was handed to me and I am a mostly solo only kind of guy with no strong ls affiliation making pick up groups for +2 I want/wanted got most 5/5 now for my jobs so I'm not going to get a Kannagi ever, other than through this event or others like it.

ItsAMyri is on to a winner with what they said they get it, also the Nagi would not be used if I won it so would be even more of a waste as I'd not play the job over others by choice and would rather continue my usual spot as Blm, Blu, Whm or Thf.

Okay, despite the feeling that I, too, disagree with choosing something other than a Mythic for Rank 1, I want you guys to stop insulting redpheonix for his choice on the matter. I don't care how stupid or idiotic you may feel it is, I want you to stop. It's not like he could go back and change his choice, so bashing him about it isn't going to change anything this time around anyway. Most of you are capable of approaching a subject in a logical, reasonable fashion, so just do that. I've always asked that if you're going to argue a subject with someone on here, just lay out the information you have available as to why you believe it's better. If they still don't believe or understand your point, just leave it alone. Berating them and insulting them is only going to cause more problems for you, not for them.

If you usually don't even play nin, why wouldn't you pick a mandau, tizona or a yagrush, based on those jobs you listed? Just curious.

Well Ninja was and still is one of my favourite jobs and 2nd 75 so I've always geared that first and foremost it will also be the job I leave on to have immortalised forever on ffxiah.com so would be nice to have it looking good etc. The reason I tended to not play it these days was because it was normally Blm, Whm, Blu needed for procs and then Thf obviously for treasure hunter is good to have, also it was all maxed out except parrying so made sense to use my time as the other jobs skilling them up and gearing etc.

Ninja is my go to job for getting something killed solo when I don't need or benefit from having Thf for Treasure Hunter and its just an awesome job that I have many fond memories of tanking to 75, it would be nice to have the items you listed for my other jobs but they won't make or break me enough to choose differently.

I don't mind you guys questioning my choice its fine, ordinarily you would be correct in fact you are absolutely right with what you say and I would have acted accordingly and agreed this is just a time where I need to break the mould for my own enjoyment and benefit. Its not something you can calculate, ratify or explain thats probably why it sets off so many alarms and errors in logic and judgement.

The drop rates without TH suck, the KI rates without 13/13 red procs suck, spawning the NM once rather than several times sucks. Tanking Pantagruel backwards for a minute because Violent Flourish missed and you can't afford to be para'd and miss Moribund Hack sucks. You're looking at a marginal increase in difficulty and an exponential increase in time spent.

And yet, I still see tons of solo NINs on Briareus NMs, and tons of Kannagis out there. Somehow these people are getting it done instead of finding excuses.

Good way to avoid the spikes btw is to just TP on other things and WS the NM. Nobody's gonna bother stealing your NM unless you die, since the KI will go to you anyway if it drops.

And yet, I still see tons of solo NINs on Briareus NMs, and tons of Kannagis out there. Somehow these people are getting it done instead of finding excuses.

Either unemployment, high school/college students on summer break, or a slow grind over several months, one or two kills a day.

For someone who isn't lacking either school/a job or a non-digital social-life, soloing an empy is about like soloing a relic: A couple hours a day, you'll get your reward sometime a few months from now, if you still play and keep at it. Some people don't like that, so, they want the lazy route.

I probably could have done better choosing a gil drop in rank 2 than an Ephemeron, but I really don't care to kill Aello seven hundred times to obtain one. (The pulse cell for it has never even touched the AH on my server.)

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Given a slightly sustained effort, farming gil for the Scorias really isn't that hard either. If you compare a 99 Mythic to a 90 Empyrean, the 90 Empyrean is rarely (if ever?) better... even when that Mythic is Nagi, which is arguably one of the worst mythics.

Could be mistaken, but I feel like Kikoku would be my choice if I was trying to get a ninja weapon out of this.

As an aside, I did choose Tizona for rank one, but I am curious as to whether a 99 Tizona even beats a 90 Almace. Even with the +25% (or more?) boost to Expiacion, I can't see it beating Chant du Cygne, so I feel like the weapon would hinge entirely on the MP proc.

I'd put my money on Almace winning in abyssea and Tizona winning everywhere else, but I do not think mythics are common enough to say with any certainty.

I don't see what the big deal is. You're both as unlikely as each other to actually WIN the thing, so the entire argument is pretty moot. Just pick whichever weapon you happen to like the stats of best, regardless of how 'easy' it is to obtain. After all, at the end of the day its all about doing your job that tiny bit better, not about who's toy glows the most.

Most of my jobs are mages, so I really don't care much for the melee side of things much. That said, I went for a Yagrush for my rank 1 choice simply because of the bonus to Divine Veil. It's a great macro piece for ~na spells even if I rarely use it in melee. Still, I've got so little chance of actually winning it, that I'm not all too bothered by the choices I've made, for better or for worse.

Yeah, they must all be total losers irl since you can't get it done that easily, right?

1) I have an Almace. Just because I recognize that it's hard for people busier than I am to solo doesn't mean I cannot or did not obtain one.

2) Since when are students on break losers?

3) Since when areunemployed people losers, especially when qualified people looking like mad can't even find work?

I'm not calling anyone losers, I'm saying they have more free time to spend on FF. If you only have a couple hours a day and no help, you will spend months making an empy. If you've got nothing going on until August (like me, summer break) and a few friends willing to help, you can get it done in under a week. For me, it took five days, three short sessions and two long (8+ hour) ones.

Your average worker or even student (during the school year) can't spend an entire Thursday monopolizing Gukumatz while the JP are asleep and the NA aren't home yet.

It's important to note that just because it's easy for you and me, that doesn't mean it's easy for the guy working two jobs, the guy whose friends drag him out into the light of day after work, or the girl drowning in her studies.

It's not a difficult concept to understand, but perhaps it is when you want to pretend your virtual accomplishments to be symbols of skill and status rather than time invested.

3) Since when areunemployed people losers, especially when qualified people looking like mad can't even find work?

You misunderstand me. You were saying that these people can only get their emps done because they don't go to school/work (in other words, insinuating that only no-lifers can get their emps done). I'm telling you that's a load of **** and you should probably just speak for yourself only.

This is the correct answer. Any other line of thinking just shows a rather skewed perspective imo. Have fun, pick the prize you want, and if anyone has a problem with it tell them they can pay for your sub if they want to decide how you do things.

You misunderstand me. You were saying that these people can only get their emps done because they don't go to school/work (in other words, insinuating that only no-lifers can get their emps done). I'm telling you that's a load of sh*t and you should probably just speak for yourself only.

No, you'll have to finish reading before you get your jimmies rustled.

You either have 'no life' (as you put it, not me) OR you have help OR you spend weeks/months grinding 1-2 drops per day.

Some people have things to do, so they can't spend every waking hour for a week soloing pops. Some of these people also don't have helpers who can get them 10+ helms or skins in a two hour stretch.

So what's left for those people? Long-term dedication and a couple helms a day, like a daily dynamis run. Some people don't like that, whatever, they're allowed to not like it. If they want to get their Kannagi next week on a rank one rather than getting it sometime in October doing 1-2 helms/skins/horns a day, why should I be all buttmad about it?

If I spoke 'for myself', I could be another neckbeard mocking people for not having empys because my empy trials were easy as pie. However, I'm capable of realizing that just because I personally had an easy time with something, it does not mean that everyone else will have an easy time with it. It would have easily taken me ten times as long if I did not have help.

so I am seeing people with the costume items out and about... are they staggering when they send through the prizes, or can we assume if there is nothing in our inbox we're big losers?

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When it comes to sitting around not doing anything for long periods of time, only being active for short windows, and marginal changes and sidegrades I'd say FFXI players were the perfect choice for politicians.

If not solo or group then that leaves one other option. Both. SE have obviously cracked the Heisenberg principle and allow you to play with players who are at the same time both there and not there thus you're technically not playing solo but your not in a group either, but in a quantum superposition.