They should. Braulio and Jefferson Olacio have #1 starter "potential".

That is a pretty big stretch. Ortiz has not shown any ability to pitch deep into games. No idea yet if his stuff will hold up stretched out. He would be a coinflip to even make the top 100 prospects in the game. Olacio has some potential, but number 1 is beyond a stretch.....

That is a pretty big stretch. Ortiz has not shown any ability to pitch deep into games. No idea yet if his stuff will hold up stretched out. He would be a coinflip to even make the top 100 prospects in the game. Olacio has some potential, but number 1 is beyond a stretch.....

Why is it a stretch to comment on their potential? They're both extremely young and having some success. Ortiz is 21 pitching in adv-A and Olacio is 19 pitching in A ball. Both have thick frames, live arms and have shown some ability with their offspeed pitches.

I like Semien. After last night he has a line of .280/.403/.454 and is the rare Sox prospect with more walks (74) than strikeouts (62). I think he can be at least a solid bench player for the Sox - and maybe more than that.

I like Semien. After last night he has a line of .280/.403/.454 and is the rare Sox prospect with more walks (74) than strikeouts (62). I think he can be at least a solid bench player for the Sox - and maybe more than that.

4 for 5 with 2 doubles and a triple last night.

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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).

I think veteran infielders should be simple enough to find, should Ramirez get dealt. Keep in mind, Semien is only 22, has been in the minors for 2 years, and is playing in AA. That's already challenging enough for a young prospect, so it's better not to put him over his head.

I think veteran infielders should be simple enough to find, should Ramirez get dealt. Keep in mind, Semien is only 22, has been in the minors for 2 years, and is playing in AA. That's already challenging enough for a young prospect, so it's better not to put him over his head.

Agree big time. Alexei is currently giving us horrendous defense and a .650 OPS. You can find some vet at league minimum for that kind of production.

Why is it a stretch to comment on their potential? They're both extremely young and having some success. Ortiz is 21 pitching in adv-A and Olacio is 19 pitching in A ball. Both have thick frames, live arms and have shown some ability with their offspeed pitches.

Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

How do you know what their potential is? There are many, MANY players who are not seen on top-prospect lists while they're in the 18-21 year old range.

Hell, I remember Magglio Ordonez finally pop up at #56 in BA's top 100 when he was 24 years old.

Because that is not their potential? I mean, to say those 2 have front line, ace caliber potential, you might as well say that about every single player in the farm, because someone might become an ACE at some point.

They are 2 guys with good, live arms. They have much better projection than, say, a Kyle McCollugh - a blah, uninspiring pitcher with little to no ability to overpower a hitter. Sure, everybody has a chance to be an "ace." But, realistically, not everybody has the potential.

They are 2 guys with good, live arms. They have much better projection than, say, a Kyle McCollugh - a blah, uninspiring pitcher with little to no ability to overpower a hitter. Sure, everybody has a chance to be an "ace." But, realistically, not everybody has the potential.

I guess to me, to use the term "front-line potential" I need more than "damn that kid has a good arm". I want something atleast somewhat projectable. I would agree, they are 2 of the more intriguing prospects in our system, and maybe one day they could have that, but based purely on the stuff tool, it is just too soon.

The reason I say at that point you have to say everyone has the potential is, for example, as a very young prospect, who said Kyle McCollugh could not be another Mark Buehrle. Softer tosser, location specialist with movement, average at best stuff tool. But you can't project that all.