posted Monday, October 16, 2017 9:54:00 PMspotify is like a cloud. what if an EMP knocks the grid out and theres no power for weeks or months- do you have a back up of digital files inside a electromagnetic proof faraday cage? and electronics in there too?

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Monday, October 16, 2017 9:56:14 PMNah Loewi for some reason the album doesn't show up on my phones music player after i unzip it until i restart the phone. I got a Galaxy S6.

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Loewi

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posted Monday, October 16, 2017 9:59:34 PMMight need to download a different music player app but not sure

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Monday, October 16, 2017 10:00:37 PMEhhhh there's just something about streaming an album on Spotify that enhances the listening experience as opposed to D/L, unzip, music player.

posted Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:09:14 PM^there about the same 88. dope and worth checking for sure. only checked them once though but theres a variety of beat styles and the production is solid. he has strong moments lyrically-some more average moments. listening again tonight.

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Paper Piff And Polo

Total Posts: 765Member Since: 2017Location: New York City

posted Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:12:07 PMNo Mackelmore Feature????

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Daddy Alfredo (Admin)

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posted Tuesday, October 17, 2017 8:13:32 PMis the coverart lazy and horrible for a reason. ive d/led god awful instro tapes with more effort in the artwork than this shit.

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Thunny Brasko

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posted Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:18:44 PM^^ LOL... Yo I dig homies music, but yea he has to work on getting his cover art on point. Especially when it comes to copping physical copies.

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dj rolo

Total Posts: 3383Member Since: 1999Location: New Bedford, MA USA

posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:43:35 AMif they not "worth" $25 for a digital, what s it worth exactly and how do people get to decide this? cuz if you ask "people", eveeyone gonna say $5 for everything, nobody wants to pay for anything anymore, let's keep it a buck

...but why do artists like CRIME not deserve that price? ...asking for myself

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:16:46 PMcome on man, $5 is less than most would pay and you know it. i don't think a digital album should be more than a dollar per track, and i'm willing to bet that 99% of people would agree on that because it's the accepted standard for digital music. if an artist decides to increase that price just because they feel like it, then of course people are going to have a problem with it. usually when the price of something goes up, there's a reason for it. shortage of supply, something is old/out of print, increased manufacturing costs, etc. digital files are nothing, just bits of data. it's not tangible, there's nothing to look at, you can't really put it on display. combine that with the fact that you can't even preview the album beforehand and it becomes straight up insulting. i've seen people compare this to someone buying a painting, or someone buying rare/limited sneakers, but in both of those cases you know what you're buying before you buy it. how can you expect people to blindly spend their money on something they don't even know if they'll enjoy just for the purpose of supporting an artist? movies have trailers, you can flip through a book before you buy it... this is like if you were at an auction and a painting was being sold that was completely covered up, except it's not a van gogh piece it's some new artist you've never heard before

i've been saying from the beginning that my problem with this business model is that it sets a precedent and encourages others to do the same, and we're already seeing that happen. here we have a brand new artist taking a page from the dump gawd playbook, selling two of his first projects for $25 each. i just cant bring myself to support this shit lol, 12 digital tracks for $50 is ridiculous to me, but if you think it's reasonable then go for it lol.

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:28:33 PMalso call me crazy but i really dig the minimalistic cover art on these two projects

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88

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posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:29:26 PMi'm indifferent to the perfect covers, which is a step up from calling metraletta's cover hella wack.

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tippi dink

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posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 12:33:22 PMyeah it's kinda funny that the only project of his that you can actually get a physical copy of is the one with the bad album cover.

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technosapien36

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posted Wednesday, October 18, 2017 2:16:31 PMAll 3 of his EPs are dope. Buck Dudley is a beast of a producer.

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dj rolo

Total Posts: 3383Member Since: 1999Location: New Bedford, MA USA

posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:37:46 AMtippi, everything you typed makes sense, and i would even say i agree, but "accepted standard"? where can i read/see this? because music been $1/track since forever, when can music adjust for inflation? why can't it be $2 per track now in 2017? everything has gone up, why can't music?

...and i agree, if someone doesn't agree, simply don't buy/support it. but buying something on the strength that he a dope artists and you kinda know what his music sound like isn't all that peculiar

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LEX718

Total Posts: 800Member Since: 2017Location: Queens, NYC

posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:47:16 AMWhen you take out the cost of production for digital music (it costs close to nothing to host and there is no physical manufacturing involved), the ease/low cost of setting up a serviceable, digital home studio in comparison to what it used to cost to record, the ease of accessing music via streaming and pirating as well as the low demand that creates for digital music the cost of music as a retail product would actually go down. But a lot of sites have upped the price slightly to something like 1.11 per track. But an artist has the right to charge whatever they want for their intellectual property. Only problem with that is a lot of it is sample based, so if they ever get pinched, it might come back to bite them. Think of Fahim or Mach making 10 sales at 1K a piece. If someone gets wind of an uncleared sample and tries to sue them, it may actually be worth pursuing as they made some decent money off of it.

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tippi dink

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:02:29 PMusually when the price of something goes up, there's a good reason for it. this is a new artist selling a 6 song project for 25 dollars just because they feel like it. like lex said, the manufacturing costs have gone down and it's cheaper/easier to record music, so what's the excuse for these 6 digital files to cost as much as a 2xLP vinyl album from any other artist, which will most likely come with a code to download the album as well? if every single album was 50 dollars instead of 12 and you couldn't hear the album before you bought it, people just wouldn't buy music. like i said before, i just don't like the precedent this sets or the mentality that it perpetuates.

also, it's one thing for a price of something to go up in tiny increments but if you go for 10 dollars to 1000 for a project like fahim/mach of course people are going think it's ridiculous. that's a 9900% increase.

but buying something on the strength that he a dope artists and you kinda know what his music sound like isn't all that peculiar

he's a dope artist based on the one project you heard from him before, but that doesn't mean that everything he puts out is going to be great. i'm sure you could think of a hundred artists that put out promising debut/sophmore albums and then fell off afterwards. there's always a chance that it could suck, or that it will be different from the artists previous work and you won't like it. that's the whole point of multiple singles being released before an album comes out, it gives you an idea of what the album will sound like as a whole. if an artist doesn't offer a preview of the album, or even a tracklist, i view that as the artist not being confident enough in their work and relying on people to buy it blindly because they don't believe they would have otherwise. that's just the way i see it, if you feel differently that's cool but there's no way i could ever bring myself to support that because it's shady to me. you'd think that as a new artist you would want as many people to hear your music as possible so your fanbase will grow and you'll get more exposure, especially if an artist truly believes they're the greatest rapper ever. if people keep buying these projects it just keeps encouraging the artists to keep testing the waters by pricing their music higher and higher, i honestly wouldn't be surprised if the next crimeapple album was $100 digital only with no tracklist available.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:40:01 PMAt Tippi:So if most albums are $10-11.99 and your saying 99 cents a track so every album would only have 11 songs on it? Most albums have like 12-13 songs some have 15 17 songs so those albums should be sold for the same price? Seems kinda backwards considering the sungle tracks are 99 cents so it would cost more to download the album track by track as opposed to buying the whole album?

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:41:32 PMEveryones like this dudes business model sucks but never give an example of a better one. Put that 8 year biz degree to work and drop some knowledge on us PLEEEASE!

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dj rolo

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:26:44 PMso would you feel better if for each EP he let one single fly for free as a preview? or would it not matter? i'm just trying to gauge people's philosophy on shit, so i'm genuienly asking out of wanting to know

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tippi dink

Total Posts: 5680Member Since: 5/5/2015Location: bluffington

posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:46:33 PM At Tippi:So if most albums are $10-11.99 and your saying 99 cents a track so every album would only have 11 songs on it? Most albums have like 12-13 songs some have 15 17 songs so those albums should be sold for the same price?

lol, it was just an example man. i never said that every single album should cost the same regardless of the number of tracks, that would be ridiculous. i'm just saying, if an album has 12 tracks you can expect it to cost about 12 dollars which means you're paying a dollar per track.

Seems kinda backwards considering the sungle tracks are 99 cents so it would cost more to download the album track by track as opposed to buying the whole album?

that's literally how it works right now though, go look at any album on bandcamp with more than 12 tracks. buying the tracks individually costs more than buying the album outright.

Everyones like this dudes business model sucks but never give an example of a better one.

people have multiple times lol, for example selling expensive limited physical copies for the hardcore fans but still having the music available to be streamed, or at least purchase digitally for a lower price. if people can actually hear the dude's music, they might be more inclined to spread the word and also purchase those physicals in the future. just my opinion though.

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tippi dink

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 2:47:32 PM so would you feel better if for each EP he let one single fly for free as a preview? or would it not matter? i'm just trying to gauge people's philosophy on shit, so i'm genuienly asking out of wanting to know

well there is one single available for preview from both eps, but i think there should be more especially since you get a bonus track when you purchase each of the the eps, so that gives people incentive to to buy them. i personally still wouldn't buy the ep unless i could stream the whole thing, but it someone else did it would make sense to me. there's never been an album that I've liked 75% of the songs on and didn't buy, but there's a ton of albums i would have never bought if i hadn't been able to hear them beforehand and that's kinda where i'm coming from with all of this.

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Paper Piff And Polo

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:03:43 PMyeah no doubt

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Clockworx (Admin)

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:46:05 PM

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dj rolo

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posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:19:22 PM^them Ep's are that work..i support CRIMEapple

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Lit Jagger

Total Posts: 2275Member Since: 2017Location: They call it the underground because that's where dead things are buried

posted Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:56:42 PMPeople still use spotify ? What is this ? 2013?