Trump Taxes Reveal Donations to ‘Gay’ Activists, Including Group Promoting Homosexuality to Children

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump donated $30,000 to “gay” activist organizations in 2012, a filed tax return outlines, including to a group that promotes homosexuality to children.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation donated $20,000 to the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) according to a form 990 posted online and available for public review, as well as $10,000 to the Gay Men’s Health Crisis.

GLSEN was founded in 1990 by Kevin Jennings and a coalition of Massachusetts school teachers who supported advocacy for homosexual issues. The group, whose motto is “championing LGBT issues in K-12 education,” creates printed resources for teachers to use in the classroom, including for LGBT History Month and LGBT Pride Month. It also provides suggestions for reading material to use as lessons for the children, including the books “Heather Has Two Mommies,” “It’s OK to Be Different” and “Tango Makes Three.”

But some of the books that GLSEN has recommended have drawn severe criticism due their graphic sexual content, including “Queer 13: Lesbian and Gay Writers Recall Seventh Grade.” In the book, writer Justin Chin recalls how as a 13-year-old, he experienced “near-rapes” by older men, but “really did enjoy those sexual encounters.”

In the book “Reflections of a Rock Lobster,” author Aaron Frickle outlines how he and his male friends often engaged in sexual activity in elementary school and “never worried” if they got caught.

“By first grade I was sexually active with many friends. In fact, a small group of us regularly met in the grammar school lavatory to perform [a sexual act] on one another,” it reads.

According to reports, those involved with GLSEN believe in speaking about sex and gender to students from an early age.

“Children in the kindergarten age are ‘developing their super-ego’… That’s when the saturation process needs to begin,” activist and New York school teacher Jaki Williams said in teaching a workshop on “Inclusive Kindergartens” at a GLSEN conference.

“Five-year-olds are very interested in the big questions. They’re very interested in sex, death, and love, and they ask those questions, and they talk about them,” she asserted. “And we want to help them find the answers.”

The other organization that the Trump Foundation supported in 2012, the Gay Men’s Health Crisis, is a New York-based group that seeks to address the HIV/AIDS epidemic among homosexual men.

“In 1981, six gay men (and their friends) gathered in writer Larry Kramer’s living room to address the ‘gay cancer’ and raise money for research. This informal meeting provided the foundation for what would soon become Gay Men’s Health Crisis,” its website reads.

Trump’s donations are among a variety of causes the foundation supported, including the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, which received $100,000, the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York, which received $5,000, and the Magic Johnson Foundation, which received $10,000.

As previously reported, last month, Trump was interviewed by lesbian publisher Susan O’Connell of the homosexual publication Bay Windows, who asked, “When President Trump is in office can we look for more forward motion on equality for gays and lesbians?”

“Well, you can,” Trump, who personally opposes “gay marriage,” replied. “And look, again, we’re going to bring people together. And that’s your thing (homosexuality) and other people have their thing. We have to bring all people together, and if we don’t we’re not going to have a country anymore.”

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Emmanuel

At least he’s consistent with donating to all sides. he wants to look good to everyone.

Angel Jabbins

And how to you get ‘good’ out of this?

“By first grade I was sexually active with many friends. In fact, a small group of us regularly met in the grammar school lavatory to perform [a sexual act] on one another,”
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It is pure evil to corrupt the minds of young children….and this is the ‘good’ Trump has contributed to.

Emmanuel

I forgot to add this: 😉 or sarc

Angel Jabbins

Whew! Glad it was sarcasm.

Rabbit

Just shows, you Trump is a wolf in sheep clothing, he is of this world and stands against,God. No real Christian should ever donate to Gay activist as their agenda is a direct threat to procreation and life itself, and is not something God approves of. it’s well known the LGBT are godless and hates God’s peoples. The time will come, when they, will cheer Christians are persecuted and take away our rights..

Jolanda Tiellemans

Oh pelease, some of you Christians are such drama queens. We have here SSM for 14 years now, almost 15. Can people of all faith still practice their religion? Check. Is incest, pedophilia and such still a crime? Check. Can heteroes still get married? Check. Can heteroes still have kids? Check. Here no one is persecuted for being Christian or any other religion.

John N

Ah, but did you look outside to check the Second Coming, the Rapture or Armageddon? Or maybe some cities on fire, or a Global Flood? Not even a small local flood?

You know, it could be any day now. And if you miss it, there will not be a third chance…

Jolanda Tiellemans

It rains a lot today. Does that count?

John N

That must be the start of it! Gods wrath and punishment for humans allowing ssm! We were warned!

Jolanda Tiellemans

It stopped. You think that is a good sign?

John N

Not sure. Send out a dove.

Emmanuel

I agree and these pastors are endorsing him. Goes to show our pastors need discernment. This is what we get when we stop preaching about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Timmy Focus

I just thought he was an arrogant, small-minded racist ideologue. Now he seems almost likable.

Gott Mit Uns!

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Amos Moses

i see what you did there……….

Amos Moses

Populism does not usually put the best candidate forward……….. None of the current crop are worthy of my vote.

BlameTheFed

They are all awful– except Ted Cruz, who is still not perfect, but at least will respect the Constitution. He will get my vote.

Becky

“Children in the kindergarten age are ‘developing their super-ego’… That’s when the saturation process needs to begin,” activist and New York school teacher Jaki Williams said in teaching a workshop on “Inclusive Kindergartens” at a GLSEN conference. “Five-year-olds are very interested in the big questions. They’re very interested in sex, death, and love, and they ask those questions, and they talk about them,” she asserted. “And we want to help them find the answers.”

These people/groups want to help kindergartner’s find and accept perversion as early as possible. It’s vile. They want innocent children growing up with the twisted lie that homosexuality is normal, so that, someday very soon, homosexuals will be able to live out their perverted lives without much controversy from people around them…like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. That’s what our country, the world really, will look like when these innocents have gone through the “saturation process” from homosexual activists.

Angel Jabbins

Amen, Becky!

John N

Right again Becky.

Take an example on Lot, the righteous one, who slept with both his daughters a few days after your god supposedly killed his wife (besides the inhabitants of two cities, including children and babies) for not listening to him.

I guess that is how you want the world to be, isn’t it?

Becky

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Lot was a righteous man. He was made drunk. In fact, in both instances, he didn’t know, “when she lay down or when she arose.” (Genesis 19:33-35). His daughters were guilty of committing incest and rape against their own father.

“…and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)…”
2 Peter 2:6-8

John N

Right again, Becky. His daughters made him do it. The standard excuse of every incestuous pedophile.

And that is your big example of righteousness. Well, after the god that supposedly burned alive the inhabitants of two cities, including their innocent children, babies, their pets and stock, as a ‘endlosung’ for the mistake of creating them ‘sinfull’ in the first place.

You really think teaching children that murdering people for your own mistakes is morally acceptable, while teaching them homosexuals are to be treated as equals is wrong? And you do not see a problem in that?

acontraryview

“His daughters made him drunk.”

So they forced him to drink? He had no choice in the matter?

Jolanda Tiellemans

At least she doesn’t claim that homosexuality was the reason Sodom and Gomorrah where destroyed.

acontraryview

Perhaps she knows that homosexuality was not in the original story of S&G and that it was only added later. I doubt it, however.

Becky

Now the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man on the earth to come in to us as is the custom of all the earth. Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.

It happened on the next day that the firstborn said to the younger, “Indeed I lay with my father last night; let us make him drink wine tonight also, and you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve the lineage of our father.” Then they made their father drink wine that night also. And the younger arose and lay with him, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.
Genesis 19:31-35

acontraryview

Thanks for sharing. Now, back to my questions:

So they forced him to drink? How did they “make” him drink? How is it that he would have not been able to say “No, I don’t want to drink”.?

Paige Turner

You cannot make people gay

BlameTheFed

Wrong. This is an evil that people choose because they have been corrupted.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Here we go again. Do you really think homosexuals choose to be bullied, called names, youths being kicked out by their parents for being homosexual?

Rabbit

Once again, I will explain enough for you to understand. No gene in the human body decides your sexual preference and what type of marriage you will be in when you get to that point in life. When one decides, to have,sex it’s a choice to part-take in the activity unless it’s rape.

Being homosexual is a choice. do you understand? Good.

John N

No gene in the human body decides your sexual preference? So you have been able to determine the function of every gene in our body?

Please publish your work in a peer reviewed scientific magazine. If published, a Nobel prize is waiting for you.

And after that, explain us how in the development of our body, sex hormones have absolutely no influence on brain formation and therefore do not influence sexual orientation, contradicting current scientific knowledge.

Until you’ve done that, your conclusions are at the least premature and not at all supported by science.

But even in the odd case you are right, that would mean being homosexual is a choice like being heterosexual or being christian is a choice. Do you understand? Better.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Damn you beat me to it.

John N

Sorry for that, Jolanda. I’ll leave the next one for you.

Regards,

acontraryview

“When one decides, to have,sex it’s a choice to part-take in the activity”

So if someone chooses to be celibate, then they have no sexuality?

acontraryview

“No gene in the human body decides your sexual preference”

And you know this, how?

“When one decides, to have,sex it’s a choice to part-take in the activity”

Behavioral decisions are most certainly a choice. What does that have to do with sexuality?

“Being homosexual is a choice. ”

So, then, Rabbit, you could simply choose today to be romantically, emotionally, and physically attracted to someone of the same gender, correct? Tell me, Rabbit, what would be the rationale for someone choosing to be homosexual?

Paige Turner

No, that is complete nonsense. No one chooses to be Gay just like you didn’t choose to be straight.

Straight couples raise gay kids – a lot of Gay kids. Millions of them. If your comment was true then these children were all corrupted by their straight parents or just have really low sales resistance.

Please show me how a person was made gay by being corrupted.

Rabbit

We all have free will and we get to choose how we live our lives. God gave us this free will. No one chooses who they are attracted to or love, it is something inside that makes the decision.

TheKingOfRhye

“No one chooses who they are attracted to or love”

Bingo. Ergo, no one chooses their sexual orientation (which is a different thing than their sexual activity!)

TheKingOfRhye

Anyway, I thought it was Lee, Lifeson, and Peart that gave us Freewill. Permanent Waves album, 1980….

Paige Turner

You’ve made my point for me except the stuff about God. We cannot choose who we are attracted to.

Rabbit

Do you conscientiously chose to look or lust at other people of the same gender? Yes.

Do you conscientiously chose to pursue people of the same gender? Yes.

Do you conscientiously chose to have sex with people of the same gender? Yes.

What makes a person gay? How they view and what they do with people of the same gender.Lusting, pursuing, and having sex with people of the same gender are all very common practices with homosexuals.They are common practices with people around the world also. If you conscientiously chose to do said activities,and you conscientiously chose to continue doing them and you conscientiously chose to label yourself gay., there is no other conclusion than you conscientiously chose to be gay..

Jolanda Tiellemans

You think about sex a lot, don’t you? Well shouldn’t be surprised, your username says it all. How many kids do you have?

acontraryview

“No one chooses who they are attracted to or love, it is something inside that makes the decision.”

You just refuted your own position.

Behavior choices and traits are two different things. If we use your logic, a heterosexual man who chooses to live a celibate life ceases to be a heterosexual. Correct?

Paige Turner

Unless you can speak from experience in that you are a gay person then your opinion is irrelevant.There is more to being gay than sex at least in the minds of healthy adults that can comprehend the differences in humans and that religion has nothing to do with any of it.

Reducing gay people to a sex act shows how juvenile and immature your world view is. Time for you to grow up and realise that other people’s lives don’t impact yours in any way.

Jolanda Tiellemans

*sighs**facepalm* seriously?

Andrew

Gee, what a shock – not everyone thinks like you. How awful.

acontraryview

“someday very soon, homosexuals will be able to live out their perverted lives without much controversy from others”

Oh my gosh. That’s awful. Children must be taught to view anyone who operates in a way that the Bible labels as sinful as being vile. Like anyone who worships a god other than the Christian god, anyone who has been divorced for reasons other than adultery, any man who has long hair, any woman who has short hair, and, of course, homosexuals.

The last thing we need in a country which puts forth that all citizens are to be treated equally under the law and enjoy freedom and liberty, is to have those who do so in a way that is contrary to Biblical beliefs to be viewed as anything but vile.

You should start a movement to be sure that public schools include teachings regarding viewing others as “vile” who don’t follow the Bible. Let me know how you do with that, Becky!

Jolanda Tiellemans

Oh my, I’m a sinner, I have short hair. Am I going to hell now?

BlameTheFed

God doesn’t care how long your hair is, but He cares that you mock Him.

May God have mercy on you and on us all. Repent of your sins and seek baptism in water and Spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ if you want to be saved from the fires of Hell.

Becky

Amen.

acontraryview

1 Corinthians 11:14-15 disagrees with you.

RevealTheFacts

Do you mean the way those priests in Altoona did?

acontraryview

Hopefully you’ll have time to grow it out.

Seabreezer337

Look kindergarten and elementary schools do not need to push sex ed. Let them be kids. The time is short and you liberals want to take that away from them too. Stop it!!! Just leave children alone. Let them still be innocent.

acontraryview

“Stop it!!! Just leave children alone. Let them still be innocent.”

Issues regarding school curriculum are made by local school boards. I am not a member of a local school board, therefore there is nothing for me to stop doing.

You are certainly free to express your concerns to your local school board, to vote for school board members who share your views, or run for a seat on your local school board where you will have direct input on school curriculum.

Josey

When I was a child of five years of age, I wasn’t thinking about sex. Becky, you are so right, they are perverting the young, to the pure everything is pure but to the vile their thoughts are vile constantly. Woe unto those who offend these little ones!

Becky

Amen, Josey!

acontraryview

Just horrible. The last thing we need is a President who has given money to an organization whose stated goal is: “we want every student, in every school, to be valued and treated with respect, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. We believe that all students deserve a safe and affirming school environment where they can learn and grow.” or an organization whose stated goal is: “to end the AIDS epidemic and uplift the lives of all affected.”

How can he possibly justify support those two causes? We need a President who that every student should NOT be valued and treated with respect and does NOT deserve a safe and affirming school environment where they can learn and grow.

In addition, we need a President who does NOT want to end the AIDS epidemic and whats to denigrate the lives of all affected.

“We need a President who does NOT want to end the AIDS epidemic and whats to denigrate the lives of all affected.”

Yes, that is the true face of compassionate conservatism.

Amos Moses

Yes, letting the AIDS epidemic run rampant would solve the problem, just not in the way many homosexuals would like. Early death is not a good outcome.

Shame is a powerful deterrent. If it keeps them alive, how is that a bad thing? But then homosexuals no longer have any shame, it would seem. Consequences do flow from that.

So, is that really “compassionate”?

Quantz

“Yes, letting the AIDS epidemic run rampant would solve the problem, just not in the way many homosexuals would like.”

Why do I get the impression that YOU would like it a lot?

Amos Moses

“Why do I get the impression that YOU would like it a lot?”

Why do i get the impression that even with the warnings given to them, by the CDC and numerous other organizations, about the disease, They do not care and are choosing to die anyway? But it is “loving” and “tolerant” to let them do so? A more hateful thing i cannot imagine. someone is doing a thing that will most likely end in their premature death and the solution offered is “sit down and shut up”. /SMH

Quantz

What would you like them to do with warnings from the CDC? Seriously? Stop being homosexuals? You think ANYONE can do that if they’re gay? News flash: You don’t die from being gay. True, HIV is a serious problem in the gay community, but you don’t get HIV from being gay, you get it from unprotected sex, and guess what? Straight people get it that way too.

Amos Moses

“What would you like them to do with warnings from the CDC? Seriously? Stop being homosexuals?”

The only one who can bring them to salvation from it is Christ, and they do not want to listen to Him OR to the secular sources of this world as to just how deadly what they are doing is.

They are choosing death.

Quantz

No one can change a person’s sexuality. It is fixed and unchangeable. This is fact.

Amos Moses

“No one can change a person’s sexuality. It is fixed and unchangeable. This is fact.”

Really, because trannies say it is fluid and based on “feelings” and if you “feel” you are a woman and you are a man, then you are what you “feel.” So which of you is right and which of you is wrong?………

Trick question, both are wrong.

For example, it is very hard for me to understand how a transgendered person can claim they should become the other sex because they feel like the other sex; for how can they know what it is like to feel like the other sex if they have never been the other sex?

Similarly, if I understand correctly, it is impossible for males to understand the experiences of women, which is why we men must ever check our privilege; but if it is therefore impossible for men to know what it is like to be a woman, how can one who claims to be transgender know what it is like to be a woman and therefore know he feels like a woman?

It is also said that to be transgendered means to have a male brain in a female body, or a female brain in a male body; yet are not we told the minds of men and women are equal and identical, and that to argue biological differences between the minds of men and women is a particularly devious trick of the patriarchy to marginalize women’s thoughts?

But if women and men have the same minds, how is it then that women can have a peculiar perspective or insight which they contribute? It still seems to me that if women have special thoughts and special insights, it must come from a special mind, yet a special mind by definition could not be the same mind as a male mind; otherwise neither would be special, but normal.

scottrose

Gays could end the AIDS epidemic themselves, at zero cost.

gogo0

how do you propose gays eliminate heterosexual HIV transmission?

cadcoke5

There is a vaccine called “morals”, which is highly effective in preventing sexually transmitted diseases.

John N

Correct. It says all homosexuals should be put to death. Very effective against spreading diseases.

At least, that is the fundi christian version of ‘morals’.

More rational people advice the use of condoms.

gogo0

thats catchy, but it doesnt address how homosexuals will eliminate heterosexual HIV transmission

Quantz

What’s “moral” about asking someone to live a loveless, sexless life? Is this the fundamentalist Christian way?

JohnnyBoy

Well, most people with AIDS are heterosexual so I don’t know how your plan would work out.

cadcoke5

My intended “morals” statement, was in regards to honoring the marriage bed. Whereas condoms, in regards to pregnacy are only considered around 98% effective if they are used perfectly over the course of a year. But, in more typical use, around 85% effective. Aids transmission for condom users seems to follow a similar effectiveness.

John N

Condoms are only 85% to 98% effective?

In that case they should be prefered above honoring the marriage bed, which is according most figures around 75% effective.

Can’ t wait to see christian churches change their doctrine about condom use.

jael2

Go to the CDC for stats. The majority of HIV transmissions are Male to male.

JohnnyBoy

I work for the CDC.. I’d like you to post link from their website stating that “stat”. The majority of transmissions is not male to male.

“Homosexuality is no less of God’s design than is heterosexuality.
Orientation is as immutable as the color of eyes, hair, or height.”

What utter rubbish. Sin is the only thing in that group you mention that is a choice. We are sinners, and so we sin. Homosexuality and all other sexuality outside of marriage is a sin.

Christ can take us out of that, out of any sin. But we were not “designed to sin”. We were designed to follow God but we rejected that, and consequences followed that. Just as any criminal who gets caught and has to accept the consequences.

To say a homosexual is beyond saving is the most cruel thing anyone could say to them. Orientation is not God-given. There is no evidence to even support that contention any more than being a murderer is an “orientation”. But you are correct, “acting straight” does not fix anything. Christ does.

It is not a Saturday Night Live skit. It is not an article by the satirical website The Onion. It is not a trick or a mistake. An article titled “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? The surgical and neoplastic role of cacao extract in breakfast cereals.” has been accepted by not one, not two, but 17 medical journals. The article was authored by Pinkerton A. LeBrain and Orson Welles. And still it was accepted.

Harvard medical researcher Mark Shrime is the actual “brain” behind the article. Because he is inundated on a daily basis with solicitations by medical journals of all sorts, which invite him to submit an article for publication in their journal (for a nominal fee of around $500), Shrime decided to test out the validity and credibility of these journals. So he made up a ridiculous article and submitted it to 37 different journals over the course of 2 weeks. So far, 17 of the journals have accepted the article and are willing to publish it if he pays the $500 fee per journal.

A major publisher of scholarly medical and science articles has retracted 43 papers because of “fabricated” peer reviews amid signs of a broader fake peer review racket affecting many more publications. As The Washington Post reports, BioMed Central – a well-known publication of peer-reviewed journals – shows a partial list of the retracted articles suggests most of them were written by scholars at universities in China. The Committee on Publication Ethics stated, it “has become aware of systematic, inappropriate attempts to manipulate the peer review processes of several journals… that need to be retracted.”

Peer review is the vetting process designed to guarantee the integrity of scholarly articles by having experts read them and approve or disapprove them for publication. With researchers increasingly desperate for recognition, citations and professional advancement, the whole peer-review system has come under scrutiny in recent years for a host of flaws and irregularities, ranging from lackadaisical reviewing to cronyism to outright fraud.

And as The Washington Post reports, BioMed Central, based in the United Kingdom, which puts out 277 peer-reviewed journals of scholarly medical and science articles has retracted 43 papers because of “fabricated” peer reviews amid signs of a broader fake peer review racket affecting many more publications…

Again, cant reply in an honest fashion to what is presented so you resort to ad hominem. Laughable. So is your field “psychology” and how do you know what you presented was even close to legitimate?

Top experts, scientists admit even they don’t know which journals and studies are real

The field has become so saturated, apparently, with so many journals and studies pouring in from all over the world, that even top experts and scientists in their own fields admit that they can’t make heads or tails of what’s legitimate anymore.

“As scientists, we’re aware of the top-tier journals in our specific sub-field, but even we cannot always pinpoint if a journal in another field is real or not,” admitted Dr. Shrime to Fast Company.

“For instance, the International Journal of Pediatric Otorhinolaryngology is the very first journal I was ever published in and it’s legitimate. But the Global Journal of Pediatric Otorhinolaryngology is fake. Only someone in my field would know that.”

Jolanda Tiellemans

For someone like him that is no truth. Well reading his comment, I am right.

Jolanda Tiellemans

I know someone who tried to “act straight” he even prayed to your Christ. Got married, had a kid. Got depressed, eventually tried to kill himself. All this because his parents would never accept him for being gay. When he was in the hospital, his parents asked him why he tried to kill himself, he told them and they turned their back on him, telling him to never contact them again. I’ll guess acting straight didn’t work for him. He is married now to a great man, he is trying to get into contact with his parents again. I guess your Christ can’t fix everything.

Amos Moses

” All this because his parents would never accept him for being gay. When he was in the hospital, his parents asked him why he tried to kill himself, he told them and they turned their back on him, telling him to never contact them again.”

Sorry, He did not accept himself as he, despite all the evidence, knew he was in sin and was wrong. Had nothing to do with his parents, he still would not accept any personal responsibility for his actions. Even his own near death. And that type of denial of the facts is sad.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Which facts? Yours? He is very happy now, now he stopped trying to be straight.

Amos Moses

A still not accepting any responsibility for what he is doing or has done. He tried to kill himself. You brought that fact to the conversation. So your facts.

John N

Oh yes, sin.

The imaginary disease invented to sell people an imaginary cure. Churches are thriving on it. Christians seem to love it. I guess it gives them a feeling of moral superiority. All because there is this 2000 year old book written by unknown authors filled with questionable quotes.

Of course this book gives them superpowers, like mind reading abilities, and the right to blame the victim. Someone got depressed because of his’ parents unability to accept his homosexuality? Must be his fault, because he denied his responsibility. And this while most scientific research done so far points to the biological origins of sexual orientation.

And this type of denial of the facts is really sad.

Amos Moses

“The imaginary disease invented to sell people an imaginary cure. ”

So the person being discussed, his imaginary “disease” was “mommy and daddy do not like me”, and his “imaginary cure” was suicide. Sorry, not buying it.

Committing suicide is a desperate plea for help. It is not because “mommy and daddy did not love me enough”. It was because he was in a self imposed state and he knew just how bad off he was.

“Of course this book gives them superpowers, like mind reading abilities, and the right to blame the victim.”

Does not take superpowers to diagnose this, “psychologists” do it all the live long day and get paid mightily for it. So your snide remarks aside, you do not know what you are talking about.

The victim here is a young man in terrible pain, of his own making, and the people who are lying to him about what is truly wrong in his life, that mommy and daddy were properly trying to point out to him. Those two actually were showing a proper love toward their son.

You, on the other hand, not so much.

John N

Sorry Amos, homosexuality is not a disease, does not need treatment, and psychologist (scary quotes not needed) do not need to diagnose homosexuality. Homosexuals just want to be accepted, above all by their parents. Not being accepted for who you are can do strange things to people.

The actual problem is more like religious bigots continuously pointing their finger and telling other people what is wrong in their live and how to solve that, based on the preconceptions of ancient people written down in an old book. And, on top of, calling that ‘love’.

Amos Moses

“homosexuality is not a disease, ”

i did not refer to it as a disease. Another tried to say that sin was a disease. You should try to follow the thread. Sin does cause disease, obviously, this person tried to commit suicide.

” Homosexuals just want to be accepted, above all by their parents. Not being accepted for who you are can do strange things to people.”

No, sin does that, does strange things to people. If the murderer or the thief wants to be accepted for what they are, then they should stop what they are doing. Parents are not required to go along with the bad habits, sins and crimes that their children commit.

Committing suicide is not the answer because they “want to be accepted, above all by their parents. Not being accepted for who you are”. If that is what they want, then they should act as if it was important to them, and on every level, they are not. They are in rebellion to their parents and to good common sense.

Many want to make excuses for their rebellion, their desires to commit acts that they know repel others, but at the same time, are upset when their behavior repels others. Their only response is “pity me, pity me” and “let me do what i want” and basically to the devil with whatever the rest of society wants.

They wanted to be outside of societies norms, and then when they are, they find that is not really what they want. A reprobate mind is a difficult thing to deal with and having asked for what they have become, find that it does not suit them, but it is everyone elses fault, and they will not accept responsibility for their dilemma.

John N

Amos, you keep on hammering on sin as a reason for people getting sick and trying to commit suicide.

You don’t seem to understand that in the real world – outside your christian cult – sin is as real as pots of gold at the end of a rainbow.

While religious bigotry is known to exist and known to be harmful.

Amos Moses

“And why would homosexuals want to be outside scocieties norms?”

Fact is, they are. So if they have no desire to be there, then why are they there?

“In most civilized societies, homosexuality is accepted as being equally normal.”

So the 1.5 billion Muslims think it is “ok”? And the 1.5 billion catholics think it is “ok”? That is far more than half the world. So are you trying to imply they are “uncivilized”?

Sorry, half of all of them will contract AIDS in their lifetime. That is not “normal” by any definition.

” And why is that?”

You can’t figure it out?

John N

Fact is?

I’ m afraid you’ve lost every contact with reality. Fact is, only religious fundamentalist, christians and muslims alike, think homosexuals are not equal. Which is at least for christians a minority.

And I do believe that discriminating people because of their skin color, gender, or sexual orientation is indeed not a civilized thing to do.

And why always that link to AIDS? A lot of heterosexuals also get AIDS and some die from it. Do you want to forbid them to have sex as well?

Never said i did not think they were equal. They are sinners, just like everyone else.

The fact is, they think they are better than anyone else and are entitled to act anyway they “feel” and the rest of us should “shut up” and “accept them”. And when we don’t, they have a tantrum or cannot understand why we do not agree and then they try to commit suicide or other such acts, like become drug addicts or worse. so now they have a “protected” status, and that is not enough, they want a Superior status.

“And I do believe that discriminating people because of their skin color, gender, or sexual orientation is indeed not a civilized thing to do.”

There is no evidence whatsoever that their “orientation” is anything but an unverifiable “feeling”, unlike the other things you mention (skin color, gender) and trying to equate them to one another is a lie. Consequences do not care about your cry-baby “feelings”.

“And why always that link to AIDS? ”

Seriously……… They are linked to it…. by ALL the evidence and the CDC reports. Sorry, what planet are you on?

“Do you want to forbid them to have sex as well?”

If they want to pick that form of slow death suicide and murder of their partner, i cannot stop them. Nothing i can do but ask them not to, but their Pride is in their face blinding them to the truth of their error. Really, what worse could i do to them that they are not already doing to themselves. If AIDs is not going to be a warning to them, What Will?

John N

>’Never said i did not think they were equal.’

But you don’t want them to marry their partners.

>’…so now they have a “protected” status, and that is not enough, they want a Superior status.’

Where and when did homosexuals receive a protected status? Where did they claim a superior status?

>’There is no evidence whatsoever that their “orientation” is anything but an unverifiable “feeling”, unlike the other things you mention (skin color, gender) and trying to equate them to one another is a lie. ‘

What is your evidence their “orientation” is anything but an unverifiable “feeling”? Are you able to refute the scientific evidence that sexual orientation is determined by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences? Are you? If not, you are the one lying here.

>’Seriously……… They are linked to it…. by ALL the evidence and the CDC reports. Sorry, what planet are you on?’

So heterosexuals do not get AIDS?

>’If AIDs is not going to be a warning to them, What Will?’

So all your argumenting is boiling down to this: AIDS is your god’s warning agains homosexuality. And I guess heterosexuals dying from AIDS are just collateral damage, as in the global flood- or in the Sodom and Gommorah-stories.

Besides from the fact that you believe homosexuals are going to be tortured for eternity by your god once they are in his hands, you are now saying he also will give them a long, painfull way to die. Just because they used the ‘free will’ your god supposedly gave them? Or is it because he was unable to create them perfect in the first place?

How morally depraved does one need to be to worship such a god, even if it is a mythical one?

Amos Moses

“But you don’t want them to marry their partners.”

No, they had the exact same right to marry as any other person. They now seem to have superior rights. They are a protected class of person.

Amos Moses

“AIDS is your god’s warning agains homosexuality.”

i did not say that. But it is His enforcement of his laws. All acts have consequences. If homosexuals want to do what they do, there are consequences. They choose death over acting in another way.

“Besides from the fact that you believe homosexuals are going to be tortured for eternity by your god once they are in his hands,”

They are in His hands now and are already under judgement. We all are.

“How morally depraved does one need to be to worship such a god, even if it is a mythical one?”

You worship your own belly, answer your own question.

Amos Moses

“What is your evidence their “orientation” is only an unverifiable “feeling”? ”

What is your evidence that it is anything else but?

Jolanda Tiellemans

Being homosexual is not a crime. So don’t compare it with murder or stealing.

Amos Moses

Under whose law? Sorry, it is a crime under Gods law. As is murder and theft.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Uhm, news flash, we don’t live under your God’s law. What is a good thing.

Amos Moses

Uh, yes you do whether you recognize it or not. Jump off a building and see if His law of gravity has any effect on you. Or try driving your car around a sharp turn at 60 miles per hour or at a brick wall and then tell me about the law you do not live under.

Delusion………………..

Jolanda Tiellemans

His law of gravity? What is it you don’t understand when someone tells you, ‘I don’t believe in your God?’ Hence he didn’t create the world, so not his law. Understood yes?

i understand that they are lying to themselves so that they may believe whatever is convenient to them and their base desires. Again, you are governed by many laws whether you choose to recognize them or not. The judge of the law cares not whether you believe in him, you will still suffer the consequences.

Jolanda Tiellemans

My, what a holier than thou attitude. And how are you acting as your Father did?

Amos Moses

“My, what a holier than thou attitude”

No, that would be you.

“And how are you acting as your Father did?”

By telling you the truth, that you refuse to accept. He has told us the truth from the beginning as to how all this is going to turn out. That is what a good Father does. And a rebellious child goes his own way to prove it wrong,,,, and falls flat on his face.

Jolanda Tiellemans

I am not the one claiming that Christians are lying to themselves, cause they believe whatever is convenient to them and their base desires. If you want to believe what you want, I’m not stopping you, it is called free will. The only thing I hate is when people discriminate against people who don’t believe like they do, who are homosexuals. Don’t say you Christians don’t, cause some of you do. My friend when we where in Berlin in the Dom, she lighted a candle, I’m not like, that is stupid, I respect her believe, like she respects that I don’t believe. Some of you don’t and think you are superior to anyone who doesn’t believe.

Amos Moses

“I am not the one claiming that Christians are lying to themselves, cause they believe whatever is convenient to them and their base desires”

No, you are on a christian site, you are clearly NOT a christian, and yet you pontificate as to what we believe and whether it is true, and that somehow we are supposed to agree with you.

“The only thing I hate is when people discriminate against people who don’t believe like they do, who are homosexuals.”

Then why are you here mixing with such obviously, in your mind at least, hateful people?

FYI, that is not the only thing you hate. In fact you have demonstrated hate of numerous things and people for their beliefs. So you are the liar i believe you to be.

“Don’t say you Christians don’t, cause some of you do.”

Right, and all Muslims are bad because some of them are suicide bombers and all gun owners are bad because some one used a gun to kill people. FYI, the VAST majority of homosexuals will contract a deadly sexually transmitted disease. But you cannot seem to come to terms with that truth.

Homosexuals deny they are doing anything wrong, they deny that truth, they lie to themselves and they then lie to us when we know better, and they murder their partners in doing what they do, and they are committing slow suicide. If they were just smoking cigarettes, most people would have a conniption that they were doing it in a public place, but we are supposed to “accept” their acts as if it “peachy keen and hunky dory”……………. When it aint.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Oh, and you know what you are talking about? You are a psychologist?

Amos Moses

“You are a psychologist?”

Are you?

Jolanda Tiellemans

No, but I’m not the one claiming to know how someone feels without knowing that person. I mean meeting him personaly, having a conversation with that person. Something you are doing.

Amos Moses

“No, but I’m not the one claiming to know how someone feels”

Neither have i, i just know a lie when i hear one.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Delusion. You think you are a psychologist. Find another job, cause you suck at it.

Amos Moses

My, what a loving and tolerant attitude. And how are you acting as your father did?

Jolanda Tiellemans

And finally he accepted himself and is now a very happy gay guy. But I guess your Christ rather see his children being miserable and depressed, instead of happy and content with their lives. Sorry to me that is not a true father.

Amos Moses

” But I guess your Christ rather see his children being miserable and depressed, instead of happy and content with their lives. Sorry to me that is not a true father.”

A “true father” would rather see you as a slave to your own flesh, your own desires? No, sorry. Seeing people in slavery is not a good choice. And this so called “very happy gay man”……………..isn’t. No matter what lie is being told.

Jolanda Tiellemans

No a true father would help his child in any way he can, be proud of him/her. Support him/her in any way. Doesn’t judge him for what he/she is, be it religious or not, be it hetero or homosexual. Oh yeah, now I know for sure, you are a psychologist. Cause you seem exactly to know how he feels.

Amos Moses

“Oh and news flash, not every homosexual wants to be saved.”

So what? Do they need to be saved? Yes, they do. But many would rather die the slow agonizing death that they have chosen rather than admit they are in sin and are wrong before God/Christ. No surprises there.

i have seen many people with AIDs die, personally, none of them were happy about it, nor were they taking any “Pride” in their miserable state. Not sure if any of them ever repented. Hope they did.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Oh now I get it. You think every homosexual has aids. Riiiiiight!

Amos Moses

Sorry, did you not read what i just wrote. No, of course you didn’t……………..

Jolanda Tiellemans

You mean your ridiculous statement that all homosexuals need to be saved? Yep I did. And I tried not to laugh, but failed at that. Laughed so hard, I scared my dog.

Amos Moses

We all need to be saved…We all need a savior…but laugh at Him all you want… He laughs at you and holds you in derision ….. in your denial.

You have said, “My will be done”, and He has given you your desire……. Hope that works out for you.

Jolanda Tiellemans

I don’t need to be saved, I’m very happy with my life. And if your God/Christ, whatever wants to save someone, why not all the people who are starving? I remember that my mom used to say, when Yehova witnesses came knocking on the door, if your God loves his children so much why does he let them suffer so much? To me that is not a true father, my husband would do anything for his children. Usually they had no answer. So if you and your ilk want to save people, volunteer, foodbanks, which I did for some time and “gasp” I’m not even religious. See how easy that is, even for me. Other things like, soupkitchen, hospice, those people are wonderfull, see a lot of things you can do, instead of preaching hell and damnation to people who don’t need saving.

Amos Moses

“And if your God/Christ, whatever wants to save someone, why not all the people who are starving? ”

Why haven’t you?

Jolanda Tiellemans

I do what I can. I’m just one person. He according to you and others is a saviour, hence can save everyone. Well at least that is what Christians are claiming.

Amos Moses

Sorry, food does not save the soul. That is what Christ is talking about.

Jolanda Tiellemans

That is going to help alk those people who are starving to death. How hard it sometimes got, my dad made sure we had food on the table every night. So the soul is more important to your God, then to make sure that “His” children don’t die? Got it. Cruel father if you ask me.

Amos Moses

It is man who has caused this problem, not God. God permits man to have free will. Mans free will blinds him to the plight of others.

“So the soul is more important to your God, then to make sure that “His” children don’t die? Got it. ”

No, you don’t “got it”. All people die, the cause is not important. Where the soul goes afterward……….. of infinite importance.

JoeMvGod

You probably do that without laughing.

Jolanda Tiellemans

Hahahahaha! Trying to be a comedian? Well, don’t give up your day job.

Amos Moses

Gay and Bisexual Men | HIV by Group | HIV/AIDS | CDC
cdc gov
29 Sep 2015 … Gay and bisexual men are more severely affected by HIV than any other group in the United States (US).

CDC: 20% of Gay Men Are HIV-Positive, but Nearly Half Don’t Know …
healthland time com

CDC: 50% of Black Gay Men Will Contract HIV
New research reveals stark differences in risk
About half of gay and bisexual black men will be diagnosed with the AIDS virus in their lifetime, according to new government estimates. Overall, for the average American, the odds of an HIV infection is 1 in 99 and has been declining. But the risk varies widely for different groups. For example, the projection is 1 in 2 for gay black men, but fewer than 1 in 2,500 for heterosexual white men. “The differences are stark,” said Dr. Jonathan Mermin of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after the CDC released the estimates at a Boston medical conference on Tuesday.

Trump supports HOMO HOMIAGE as “the law of the land”. He is a fag-enabling baby killer. Should have stayed on The Apprentice.

sINCORED

2% or less of the population, these LGBT groups programming their sexual agenda on the children of the %98? Do people really get the gravity of this? Groups that you would consider perhaps perverse, PROGRAMMING THEIR VALUES not to you but YOUR CHILDREN? I would call this institutionalized pedophilia

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