As someone who plays hockey, and did a bit of time in the USAF... shower rooms are not erotic. If you arrive at the shower room with the energy to think about anything even remotely sexual, you have failed to give your all on the ice, and you should be too farking ashamed to look in a mirror, let alone at anyone else. You arrive pretty well exhausted, wash off, go home... it isn't sexual... aside from that, there is this weird belief amongst insecure heterosexual males that THEY are what gay people are after... I've seen some of the nastiest, fattest, greasiest farkers talking about how upset they'd be if a gay person hit on them. Let's be clear, gay and blind are too different things, and FFS, some of you straight guys, even blind girls have farking standards, get with the damn program already.

The etiquette in those Euro countries where of-age nudity is accepted in some contexts, such as at a sauna, beach or spa, is simple. You get one glance, after that you make eye contact or look at something else. Staring is not OK. Becoming aroused is not OK. In effect the modesty lies in how they treat each other. Rules are similar for an American hetero man around women in bikinis or yoga pants. There are many contexts in which nudity or a state of partial undress can be non-sexual, if the norm is enforced by the group.

Gestankfaust:The TRUTH is that we DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE GAY OR NOT!! STOP TELLING US!!!

I don't care that you're farking straight, yet still you keep putting pictures up to show people that not only are you straight, you've found someone to mate with... FFS, you even wear a special ring to advertise it.

Waldo Pepper:Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper: Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper: Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper: Rapmaster2000: Waldo Pepper:ask jr high school girls that same question and i bet you get a totally different answer. better question. would you want a 13 year straight middle school boy showering in the same shower with your 13 year daughter and changing clothes right beside her in the locker room

I wouldn't want my 13 year old daughter getting married, driving a car, drinking alcohol, or moving to her own apartment either. I think you can see the flaw in your argument.

i've looked and i've yet to see the flaw in my argument, well unless your daughter is "the stinky girl" and never showers. that might cause a flaw in part of my argument but i'm guess she still would have to dress out for PE.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that you have seen no flaws in your false analogy. In addition, I imagine that your biases are confirmed on a pretty regular basis.

please explain and keep in mind it is in response to this:A Jr. High Student is gonna be horny if you put him in a shower alone, it doesn't really matter with whom you put those raging little balls of hormones, they're just gonna be horny no matter what. That said, I don't recall, in Jr. High, anyone giving a fark what my orientation was, because oddly enough even Jr. highschoolers aren't quite the dickbags many adults are.

I really can't. If you were responding to that with that analogy then I have no idea what you were trying to say.

Just pack it in. It didn't work... at all. You ad hominem about "my stinky girl" kind of drove the point home. You've already hit the two fallacy mark. Care to pile on a third?

awe are you feeling hurt. so far you have add little to nothing to this discussion. so my third will be to not respond to you weak attempt to troll me.

It's always a troll when you're losing. That's the third.

But on the subject of losing, you are correct in thinking that there's a culture war of radical lib ...

They aren't real concerns... this is just as retarded as people who were "concerned" over blacks playing baseball or interracial marriage... your f'd up insecurity is not a social problem, it's a you problem.