phrawgh:Neighborhood Watch: Headso: that's the worst part, you must live in constant terror of a family member making a bad decision or trying to escape the country. Being killed is probably a better fate than those prison camps based on the descriptions I've read...

That's communism, kiddo - every progressive's idea of 'progress'.

/it takes a lot of secret police and gulags to achieve REAL social justice

Actually it's is much more like a theocratic dictatorship. The Kim's are held up as, and revered, as near to gods as one can imagine (think pharaohs).

That's religion kiddo - every conservatives idea of 'paradise'.

/I think the money even has "In Kim We Trust" on it.//They basically pray to Kim in school every morning.

Tatterdemalian:phrawgh: Neighborhood Watch: Headso: that's the worst part, you must live in constant terror of a family member making a bad decision or trying to escape the country. Being killed is probably a better fate than those prison camps based on the descriptions I've read...

That's communism, kiddo - every progressive's idea of 'progress'.

/it takes a lot of secret police and gulags to achieve REAL social justice

Actually it's is much more like a theocratic dictatorship. The Kim's are held up as, and revered, as near to gods as one can imagine (think pharaohs).

That's religion kiddo - every conservatives idea of 'paradise'.

/I think the money even has "In Kim We Trust" on it.//They basically pray to Kim in school every morning.

He's just pulling a Fark Independentmove; injecting his retarded view of American politics into everything and anything because he's such a bore. He's like a internet version of your crazy Uncle who FWD:FWD:FWDs everything.

/translation: Wow. Just wow.//wonder how much of that population would love to slow-roast the little butterball over a nice campfire?

It's a brilliant way to snuff out dissent and rebellion. !0 many people are brave enough to risk death to fight for something they believe in, Far less people are willing to risk the lives of their children and spouses in such a fight (thus conscience doth make cowards of us all) , and even if they WERE the fact that your spouses, children etc know they will bear the consequences of your misdeeds they are much more likely to turn you in before you do something bad, meaning there is literally NO ONE you can trust when trying to put together a conspiracy

Tatterdemalian:phrawgh: Actually it's is much more like a theocratic dictatorship. The Kim's are held up as, and revered, as near to gods as one can imagine (think pharaohs).

That's religion kiddo - every conservatives idea of 'paradise'.

/I think the money even has "In Kim We Trust" on it.//They basically pray to Kim in school every morning.

Totalitarian, not theocratic. I live with my mom

No relevant difference. The Kim family has a literal religious mythology built around it. Kim Jong-Il's birth was heralded by great miracles and magic. His dad is called "Eternal Leader" because he's still in charge, ruling from the heavens.

Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

The cute, kinda-dumb-but-sweet miniature eskimo on that show about a mom-and-pop "airline" in Alaska? Maybe the big-boobed broad who used to be on that stabbiness-inducing Idiots Buy Their First House show from Canda? Ummm... the too-perky nymph from Vacation Places You'll Never Be Able To Afford maybe gets a pass for being on Bourdain's show in a gloriously self-aware and self-deprecating way?

SFSailor:cardex: Name 3 reality tv stars that should not be lined up and shot

Hmm.

The cute, kinda-dumb-but-sweet miniature eskimo on that show about a mom-and-pop "airline" in Alaska?

/ someone had to try

You mean Era Alaska, from the show "Flying Wild Alaska"? I wouldn't put "airline" in quotes. It has something like 80 planes and services almost 100 towns and villages. It may not be Alaska Airlines, but it's a pretty decent setup, and has fairly solid facilities. Way bigger than the "airline" I flew for up in Fairbanks. We had 4 planes, 6 pilots/mechanics/cargo haulers, the owner's wife and daughter were our secretaries/accountants, and we served about 25 villages and small towns, and ran researchers and oil employees out into the bush.

SFSailor:cardex: Name 3 reality tv stars that should not be lined up and shot

Hmm.

The cute, kinda-dumb-but-sweet miniature eskimo on that show about a mom-and-pop "airline" in Alaska? Maybe the big-boobed broad who used to be on that stabbiness-inducing Idiots Buy Their First House show from Canda? Ummm... the too-perky nymph from Vacation Places You'll Never Be Able To Afford maybe gets a pass for being on Bourdain's show in a gloriously self-aware and self-deprecating way?

big pig peaches:SFSailor: cardex: Name 3 reality tv stars that should not be lined up and shot

Hmm.

The cute, kinda-dumb-but-sweet miniature eskimo on that show about a mom-and-pop "airline" in Alaska? Maybe the big-boobed broad who used to be on that stabbiness-inducing Idiots Buy Their First House show from Canda? Ummm... the too-perky nymph from Vacation Places You'll Never Be Able To Afford maybe gets a pass for being on Bourdain's show in a gloriously self-aware and self-deprecating way?

ristst:Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

Just smile and wave....and then break out a huge sandwich and eat it like a glutton having an orgasm in full view of as many of them as possible. MmmmMmmmm, dont you wish you had food too?

Anastacya: chrylis: Given the mention of finding Bibles among their possessions and making the families watch the executions, it sounds like somebody decided to clean out some potential religious and/or political dissidents and make it clear to the families to toe the line.

Nah, they keep a crate of those things around to plant. Kim Il Sung dictated that three generations of a family should be purged. They keep enough "evidence" around to make sure that they can get everyone who pisses them off.

The idea that a bunch of folks made a porno tape for sale in a country as conservative and isolated as DPRK sounds real unlikely. This is the country that prosecutes you if they catch you with a bootleg copy of a South Korean soap opera.

My money is on some of these folks being Christian converts and maybe it was spreading amongst their little social circle.... South Korean missionaries are active in that area. Or it was a political crime of sorts - plans for defection, too many critical comments made about the regime, or even being too visible.

This is just a salicious made-up crime to make them even look worse in the eyes of the masses.

Neighborhood Watch:Headso: that's the worst part, you must live in constant terror of a family member making a bad decision or trying to escape the country. Being killed is probably a better fate than those prison camps based on the descriptions I've read...

That's communism, kiddo - every progressive's idea of 'progress'.

/it takes a lot of secret police and gulags to achieve REAL social justice

ristst:Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

Best Koreans are indoctrinated with the idea of NK 'purity' as something to be revered and protected. It's part of the isolationist mindset. Outsiders must be kept out lest they dilute our superior, pure race. To the average NK citizen, any outsider, even South Koreans, Japanese, etc. not to mention the evil US and other western nations would bring down the utopia that is Best Korea.

ristst:Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

Sorry Norks. I can't see you hating me while I'm eating this delicious Whopper on this side of the border. Mmmmmmmm!

And see this? It's called "Ketchup"? Ever seen ketchup. It's made from to-ma-toes. Ever seen a tomato?

But anyway, the Norks have been running a cartoon series that's been ongoing since the freaking 1960's (and you thought George R.R. Martin was glacial with his books) called "Squirrel and Hedgehog", where the brave hedgehogs, squirrels, and ducks defend their Marxist Paradise against the Imperialist army of wolves, weasels, rats, and foxes. Check it out on You Tube. There's even Rule 34 art dedicated to one of the evil female villains of the series, known outside of Norkland as "Lt. Fox Vixen".

wherenow:ristst: Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

Best Koreans are indoctrinated with the idea of NK 'purity' as something to be revered and protected. It's part of the isolationist mindset. Outsiders must be kept out lest they dilute our superior, pure race. To the average NK citizen, any outsider, even South Koreans, Japanese, etc. not to mention the evil US and other western nations would bring down the utopia that is Best Korea.

TV's Vinnie:ristst: Have a friend who was stationed in SK, and he talked about the demilitarized zone and how the Best Korean soldiers would stare at US servicemen with pure hate in their eyes. He said it was palpable...they would glare with utter hatred.

Obviously some extremely effective rhetoric being spoon fed to the masses from a very early age.

Sorry Norks. I can't see you hating me while I'm eating this delicious Whopper on this side of the border. Mmmmmmmm!

And see this? It's called "Ketchup"? Ever seen ketchup. It's made from to-ma-toes. Ever seen a tomato?

But anyway, the Norks have been running a cartoon series that's been ongoing since the freaking 1960's (and you thought George R.R. Martin was glacial with his books) called "Squirrel and Hedgehog", where the brave hedgehogs, squirrels, and ducks defend their Marxist Paradise against the Imperialist army of wolves, weasels, rats, and foxes. Check it out on You Tube. There's even Rule 34 art dedicated to one of the evil female villains of the series, known outside of Norkland as "Lt. Fox Vixen".

I was going to ask what Korean porn may look like, but now I'm not so sure.

WGJ:FTFA: "They were executed with machine guns while the key members of the Unhasu Orchestra, Wangjaesan Light Band and Moranbong Band as well as the families of the victims looked on," the source said.

Who were the victims???

Hyon Song-wol and Mun Kyon-jin were the victims. They were victims of an atrocity, according to the original article.