Bay Area retailer’s ‘diversity’ in question
By Matt O’Brien
Contra Costa Times
03/03/2010

SAN MATEO — Hani Khan never set out to be the next lightning rod of the culture wars, testing the limits of religious acceptance in the Bay Area and the retail industry.

Unfazed by the blaring pop rock, haze of cologne and sepia-toned posters of bare-chested surfers, she walked confidently into a Hollister Co. clothing store last fall, sat down for an interview and secured a part-time job. The 19-year-old liked that she could go to work in flip-flops, jeans and a color-coordinated hijab, the head scarf she wears as an expression of her Muslim faith.

“Hollister associates represent American style,” said the employee handbook she picked up on her first day. “America is diverse, and we want diversity in our stores.”

So far, so good. She was, after all, American, born in New York to an Indian father and Pakistani mother and raised in California. The sophomore at the College of San Mateo has worn a head scarf in her classrooms since kindergarten. She wore it to malls and movie theaters and while playing second base for the softball team at San Mateo High.

“To me, it symbolizes my faith, where I’m coming from,” she said. “People don’t focus on my beauty so much as they focus on my intelligence, on what I have to say.”

In the broad-minded Bay Area, no one ever argued with that.

Except, last month, at Hollister, the spinoff of Ohio-based Abercrombie & Fitch that she says fired her for wearing the hijab at work almost five months after she started there. A week before her termination, during a meeting with a district manager, was the first time in her life someone had confronted her — not just out of curiosity — about her Islamic garb.

“She called us from there and said, ‘Come and pick me up,’ ” said Khan’s father, who asked that his full name not be used in concern for his family’s safety. “She was really upset.”

Abercrombie & Fitch has refused to comment on its dress policy or on Khan, who filed a federal discrimination complaint against the company last week. News of the dispute, which is likely to be investigated by the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, or EEOC, has fielded a diverse reaction.

At the crux of the debate is how inclusive employers should be when a worker’s appearance clashes with their corporate image.

“A company like Abercrombie & Fitch, and particularly the Hollister brand, is really selling not just clothing but a lifestyle, an image,” said Jo-Ellen Pozner, who teaches organizational behavior at the Haas School of Business at UC Berkeley. “It is normal for organizations to recruit and socialize their staff in a way that’s consistent with the image they’re trying to get across to their customers.”

From an ethical standpoint, however, it seems to Pozner that the company went too far.

“It’s entirely appropriate until the line where it invades someone’s civil liberties,” she said. “If (the company culture is) strong and it’s enforced informally, then people who don’t fit in are going to be filtered out. That’s a pretty powerful way to keep a culture strong. It’s very different to fire someone.”

Building a unique and uniform brand — in Hollister’s case, one associated with a made-up Southern California beach town — is part of the business model.

Flip-flops or slip-on sneakers are not only encouraged for Hollister employees, but required, according to the handbook Khan received, adding to the surfboards and other props that give the store a beachy atmosphere.

Lip balm is welcome, but not lipstick. Makeup, if worn at all, “must be worn to enhance natural features and create a fresh, natural appearance.”

Tattoos are accepted as long as they will not distract customers, and “cornrow hairstyles are not permitted.” Hair must “appear neat, clean, natural, kempt, and classic. This means that the hairstyle must look as if it could have grown that way.”

Because she wore a hijab, no one could see Khan’s hair. But there was nothing in the guide, known as the Look Policy, that seemed to expressly prohibit a scarf over her head as long as she wore the right colors. The only reference to headgear was a ban on caps.

“Even though Hollister sells caps, they are considered too informal for work — caps are not allowed to be worn,” the guide said.

Kjerstin Elmen-Gruys is surprised that Khan got the job in the first place, and that she wanted it. She worked for more than a year as an associate merchant for Hollister clothing at the corporate headquarters of Abercrombie & Fitch in New Albany, Ohio.

“Think of your customer as young, sexy, all-American,” was what employees were told, Elmen-Gruys said. “We talked about who the customer was, not what it wasn’t. All-American was left for us to figure out what it meant on our own.”

87 comments for “Abercrombie & Fitch Fires Muslim for Wearing Hijab”

Too bad if the dress code says no head covering it means everyone.America must not change for the will of a minority because this is what has happened in Europe.If American women think our laws are subversive try sharia law!

I am surprised too that she wanted the job. And I am glad that the hijab is seen as un-American. Islam is anti-American from what I can see. A Moslem's allegiance is not to America 1st, it is to Islam and other Moslems.

If they saw that her hijab does not "fit" with the image they are trying to keep up with, then why hire her in the first place? why wait 5 months and they fire her? She is An American, she has civil liberties and rights just as any US citizen, she has the right to apply to any job she wants in the US. Islam is not anti-American, get your facts straight and educate yourself before you make assumptions about something you obviously know nothing about.

I invite you all on this site to Study the True Islam via authentic Quran not just the translation but also with the commentary.

All divine books contain the same message of Oneness of the True Creator (God). all Divine books teach Love, peace, equality, good character and humanity. Some people strive hard to follow the true teachings and some misinterpret it. Who is to blame for the failings, the message or the follower?

Each manufactured car comes with a manual to explain about the vehicle’s specification. How well the driver understand the power of the vehicle is down to the driver not the vehicle. A bad driver does not represent the weakness of the vehicle but it’s own comprehension of the vehicle’s true power.

It is the same with religion and Divine messge. Some try to follow it well while others do not.

Quran is not like the bible to be interpreted at one’s will. To truly understand teh real message of Islam, one must understand the circumstances and history behind each revelation. To do this you need the Commentary alongside the translation (Ibn Kathir recommended).

I invite you all to study Islam and to embrace it as a complete way of life to acheive eternal peace.

Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David, Mohammed all followed One God and preached the same message. It’s the people who created their own divisions and deviancies within each religion. The message had always been the same!! Oneness of One God.

For those who fear the world being taken over by Shariah Law, I pity you and your insecurities. If you had spared just a little time to get to know some muslims in your own communities (without prejudice), you will find that 99% are happy living with the laws of the land they reside in without wanting to change anything.

Fear of the unknown leads to prejudice. I urge you all to get to know some muslims in your local communities to put your minds at rest. you will find that your fears are baseless.

1. You keep saying I am wrong about Islam, yet you cannot prove it. Here is the deal, do it on your next post or you will not be posting here anymore. I will not spend anymore time on you.

2, The Sharia movement is clearly documented on this site, and people can read the articles and see that you are just another lying Muslim. Talking to Muslims does not change a thing, Muslims are very deceptive people, and you are a perfect example of this. You are posting under the names Sara, Joe King, and Voice of Reason. All from the same IP address. Obviously you cannot be trusted. Thanks for proving my point.

” … Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David, Mohammed all followed One God and preached the same message. It’s the people who created their own divisions and deviancies within each religion. The message had always been the same!! Oneness of One God…. ”

This is a lie from the pit of hell. There is no way that the pagan god of the Arabian desert is the same deity that spoke to Moses on the Arabian mountain of Sinai. The gods of the Arabian pagan pantheon are an anathema to the G-D of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. The demonic message tells Muslims that their imp, demon allah is the same god as the Deity of Abraham, Isaac (the son of promise), and Israel. “… Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David,” all knew the traits of a false prophet and all would have turned Muhammad out of the camp (or stoned him) for teaching a god that they had not known and bringing a message that HaShem did not dictate. Jewish sages believe that HaShem conversed with Moses as one man speaks to another. When Moses came down from the mountain, the face of Moses beamed brightly with shekinah of HaShem so that the people asked Moses to cover his face when he spoke to them. This Moses was not speaking with the demon, allah. This is just more flawed Islamic catechism that you and many other Muslims spread on this site and many others like it.

To ChristopherL and Other: Check out the definition of Islamosphobia and see if you fit the bill.
For so called ‘Modern’ age, you people hold some amazingly stone-aged intolerant views! and you have the Cheek to criticize other peoples morals and beliefs.. Heck that makes me laugh!
You people get your (mis)information from a box so you don’t have to exercise your pea-brains and then have the audacity to be discriminate. Non-muslims are treated WAY better in muslim countries compared to how you alledgedly ‘tolerant’, ‘open-minded’ bigots treat ethnic minorities!

Islamophobia is an attack word used to try and silence the critics of Islam. It does not work here, and no one should tolerate the intolerance of Islam.
The Copts are a perfect example of just how well non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries. Sorry but we deal in facts, and not your propaganda.

Let me know when you have Afro-American relatives, Japanese relatives, Chinese relatives, Mexican relatives, South American relatives and are a white man like me, that is only the second generation born in the US. I have to lol at the real bigots like you who pull the race card and talk down to others as if they, themselves are really living above their own inane rhetoric. If you hose-brains really are so socially superior, then I’ll be happy to compare the number of different races at one of my family gatherings around a holiday with different races at one of your family gatherings!!! What is the real definition of ” … so called ‘Modern’ age .. “??? Come on Dr. expert on bigotry; expound upon what ‘Modern’ really means to you. Expound on the diversity of your family tree, and then try to pull the race card again!!!

” Non-muslims are treated WAY better in muslim countries compared to how you alledgedly ‘tolerant’, ‘open-minded’ bigots treat ethnic minorities”
Tell that to the families of the Pakistani Christians who were burned alived for the sin of being Christians. Tell that to the Christians in Iraq who are being murdered in their homes and places of business for the sin of being Christian.

You are an uninformed idiot. You have no right to call anybody names or make judgements as you have NO INFORMATION! I was a true blue liberal fool like you til I started talking to friends in another country where this death to the west process is in a more`advanced stage. Get informed then call names.

Given the state of modern America, this girl being fired for her Faith is no surprise, even if she is born in this country. People will ALWAYS judge you with HATE if you’re a muslim, and if by some Freak conincidence they get past that, they might get to know you’re a human being too and a nice one at that!

This is prejudice, This is discrimination, This is modern America!!!

Land of ‘freedom’, ‘hope’ and glory !?!?! … As long as you do what you’re told and wear what you’re told!!!

But you come here and preach non stop hatred of us and call us apes, pigs, monkeys. YOU started this hatred and name calling not us. Your koran does nothing but call for death, torture and enslavement of non muslims and Christians and Jews in particular. You are here to undermine and destroy America and our idiot leftys are helping. Just be patient you will be legally cutting Christian throats in the US soon. Obama has promised your leaders this and I’m sure he will deliver. I was threatened with death as was my entire family by one of you sweet, just want to get a long, muslims because I was wearing a cross at my local target. Save the taqiyya you freaking hate our guts and want to murder us every one in some horrific cruel way. Stuff it!

PS: she WAS NOT fired for her faith she was fired because she did not promote the company image. We should still have the right to run our business for profit. Why would a “pious” muslim choose to work in a store that promotes a lifestyle that is unislamic? Maybe to help CAIR with it’s fund raising activities via lawsuits?

I teach 7th grade Social Studies and we discussed this article in class today. The kids were up in arms about the underlying issue of freedom of expression/religion. Some students understood and supported the Company’s position, while other students thought Khan’s rights were being trampled all for the sake of a “Look Policy.” Our question is this: If the hijab was against the store dress code, then why did she get the job in the first place???

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. That is a good question, and I do not have a definite answer to it. Maybe the person who hired her did not mind the headscarf, but the district manager did (as stated in the article). Obviously the district manager had the last call. Also she might not have worn it during the interview, and then when she showed up with it they were afraid to fire her. I appreciate you bringing this issue to light in your classroom.

As an employer, Abercrombie and Fitch has a right to make conditions to its workers.
There are many employers which require a specific uniform or mode of dress. There has never been a 1st Amendment suit filed against a hospital for requiring a surgeon to scrub and wear surgeon’s gear, for example.
The employer has always had the right to dictate the atmosphere in the place and the clothing and supply of his/her workers.

Everyone who’s commented here must be kidding. How could you support the people who fired her if you live in America. Talking about being all-american and especially the comment “We are not going to let Islam takeover in the name of freedom.” is definitelynot american. We’re not going to let people who wear hijabs take over our freedom? YOU’RE THE ONE TAKING AWAY THE FREEDOM of America by even SAYING that shit. Someone who won’t allow another to follow their own religion is NOT freedom.

A muslim in my local Target threatened to kill me and my entire family because i was wearing a cross. Hows that for infringing on “religious freedom” for ya. No not fire me (I didn’t work there) KILL ME AND MY ENTIRE FAMILY! Muslims are trying to push a ban the wearing of the cross all over Europe and the US How’s that for religious freedom for ya. I bet you would support that ban too.

Certain Islamic groups in America don’t think that a woman should have to show her face for a drivers license. It was ruled that she does have to show her face to obtain a license to drive. Is that unAmerican??? Nobody is depriving her of a job. If the Islamic community approves of Abercrombie & Fitch, then I am sure that a franchise could be opened by Islamic owners that would require that a hijab or even a whole berka be worn by all female sales people. So, what is that to you???

85% of you have probebly never seen the cover of a book let alone read it…you guys are all unintellectual bigot freaks that are slaves to the media. It clearly states in the article that the girl has had her hijab on since kindergarten why would she take it off for the interiview to get the job when she knows that they wouldnt allow it. that means she is choosing the job over the hijab so when they told her that it was not allowed she should have taken it off…but she DIDNT. secondly she clearly read the “look policy” and if it said anything about not wearing a hijab she would not accept the job and she would not have been hired. And im assuming that you guys are at least able to read…IT SAYS ONLY WEARING CAPS WAS NOT ALLOWED you idiots that means it didnt state anything about her not wearing a hijab.
you guys just disgust me you say america is freedom but where is the freedom when they fire you for what you where and where is the freedom when you guys keep saying that crap about muslims. there is a reason why three quarters of the world population hates America. when people travel they never say they are from america cuz they get treated worse, whats there not to hate about america…starting all the current wars killing millions of people…IT NONE OF THIER DAMN BUISNESS

Your childish comment shows just how intelligent you are. What I know about Islam I did not learn from the MSM, and how do you know she did not take it off for the interview? The article states that she received the book on her first day, which means she was hired already.

America is not going to let Islam takeover in the name of freedom, and Muslims are looking to takeover Canada as well. Will you support them in the name of freedom?

oh if you dont care what i think of america guess what its not just me the whole world hates america,your obviously too blind to realize!!whats the point of fighting for this whole situation if the girl can take her hijab anytime she wants(might as well not wear it) did you know that hijab is not just for show,when one wears it they commit to it because it is a part of her religion…THAT shows how unintellectual YOU are…unlike you i have done research on this beautiful religion and im converting soon

its not like those slutty white women that wear a bikini at the beach and wear full clothing as soon as thier out on the streets,muslims wear hijab everywhere at the beach,on the street,in the mall
they are not contradicting like you red necks

do me a favor and read the article again or better yet go and search for the real islam (quran)

And honestly Islam does not care to take over America,maybe America should stop taking over their countries…so you don’t want Muslims to take over America but you allow America to take over their countries what kind of justice is that?

Muslims are clearly trying to takeover America, and it is well documented on this site. America allowed Sharia in the Constitutions of Afghanistan and Iraq. That is not trying to takeover, and I want to end both wars anyway. Also Muslims attacked America long before we were over there. Google the Barbary Coast Wars.

Read the book “a world without Islam” and you will see who started it!

admin

November 23, 2010 at 11:55 am

The world would be better off without Islam, and Muslims started the Barbary Coast Wars. All because of their religion.

During the year 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to speak with Tripoli’s Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Jefferson and Adams asked the Ambassador
how can they make war on nations that have done nothing to them? The Ambassador replied that “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once”.

admin

November 23, 2010 at 11:57 am

Would you allow your daughter to be married off at the age of 6? Will you beat your child at the age of ten for not praying, as Islamic Law calls for?

admin

November 23, 2010 at 10:45 am

Will you mind sharing your husband with other wives? Will you wear a burqa?

no where in the quran say that you must wear a burqah…where did u get that from? it is completely a personal choice
and about the four wives it is under certain circumstances like if you are far away from your wife and back then there were no planes so it would take years to get to see her…and men cannot contain themselves (sexually) so instead of committing a sin by going to a prostitute it is allowed to marry another women…so explain how when u don’t allow more than one marriage you still have affairs which is worse than being married to more than one wife..because at least they take the responsibility for their actions (pregnancy,
but in this day and age there is no reason to have more than one wife unless she allows her husband to do so…and if you do it anyways it is a major sin

Dont just look at things on the surface and make assumptions there are always rules and regulations to everything

admin

November 23, 2010 at 11:52 am

Point out where I said the Koran mandates a burqa. I didn’t, I asked if you will wear one. There are planes now, and having four wives is still allowed and happens. I don’t have four wives, and I do not go to prostitutes. You are going to have to do better than that. Women who allow their husband to have more than one wife, are being played the fool.

I am not making assumptions, I am stating facts. Islam is stuck in the past.

eib

November 23, 2010 at 11:37 am

Sharia is still the law in Afghanistan and Iraq.
So . . . how have we taken over exactly?

no where does it say that women must wear a burqah…wow you got that one congrats now you have the rest to go!!
if it is still allowed doesnt mean the rules dont apply..i told you there are specific rules to it and the rule i gave you was an example there are hundreds of rules to it and just because people are doing it doesnt mean its right to do, so just because preists are pedophiles doesnt mean its the right thing to do…right?
and maybe the wives that let their husbands marry again cannot give them what they need example children. and besides i was saying that it is with the agreement of the wife that all this can happen and most wives do not agree so if a man does do it anyways that is a major sin and not part of islam. you are obviously a close minded american that cannot seem to think there are third world coutries out there and they have very different circumstances than we do here in North america,we have it extremely easy over here ive been to iraq,iran,afganistan and i saw what they experiance over there,you might say there is no reason to marry another but thats because we live here and our circumstances are different b but how would you know what others are going through. And tell me this has no man or WOMEN cheated on thier spouse before here in north america at least they do it the right way where they get married to thaat person and take responsability for them instead of throwing them out the window

ps.you are making assumptions and you are not stating facts…i know that for a fact!

admin

November 23, 2010 at 12:30 pm

You are not giving anything but your opinion and I do not support cheating on ones wife. But you are only kidding yourself if you think Muslims do not do that as well.
What do you call this?

Afghan Christian to go to trial on Sunday for his faith
Said Musa was arrested on 31 May. He is set to appear before a judge without legal counsel and without knowledge of the charges against him. Many fear he might be made an example to show that Sharia is the law of the land.

Kabul (AsiaNews/Agencies) – An Afghan national, in prison since May because of his religion, will be put on tried this Sunday. However, he has been denied legal counsel. Local sources say no one knows what charges will be laid against him when he goes before a judge.

The authorities arrested Said Musa, 45, on 31 May, a day after a local station, Noorin TV, broadcast images of Christians praying after being baptised. This was followed by a wave of arrests against Christians in what local sources describe as a manhunt. Apparently, Said Musa is the only Christian to go on trial.

Leaving Islam for another religion is a capital offence under Afghanistan’s Islamic law, despite the fact that the Taliban lost power in 2001.

I do not hate…i am not childish to hate
i don’t hate America, i dont even hate you because everyone is a creation of god and according to the quran/god it says to love everyone and everything no matter what..but you wouldnt know that of course

and for thoes that oppose islam all i can do is teach them the truth because someone taught me the truth

wow all i can say to you is…ignorance
I don’t feel like i need to justify myself to you anymore because it doesn’t work your mind just can absorb more than its capacity..hah!

ps.if you’ve read the quran than you would know that she wouldnt take her hijab of for the sake of a job,so ask yourself this where in the quran does it say we allow pedophiles …huh? and guess what we are having an argument so obviously it would heated and sound hateful this is the nature of arguments

admin

November 23, 2010 at 11:46 am

Obviously you cannot refute my statements.

Koran verse 004.024
YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

That verse allows the taking of sex slaves. Which is kidnapping, slavery, and rape.

Mohammad married Aisha when she was six year-old.

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham’s father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

The Koran states that actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.

033.021
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

That is pedophilia, and the hate in your comments go way beyond a heated debate.

Will you wear a burqa? Are you willing to share your husband? Do you want Sharia to rule Canada? Have you read the Koran, or are you just blindly going on what someone told you?

There is still no proof that she wore it to the interview.

New Cursader

November 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm

You’re glad you’re a Canadian. I bet they’re not to glad for you. Since America is so bad why do you live in any western or western style country. Is it because you cannot, or do not like to live in a muslim (npbut) country? Is it because you might just have to give up some of you’re western desires and live like a full-fledged muslim (npbut)? Maybe this would label you as an infidel in a muslim (npbut) country and you could die. Or have you come as part of your Jihad? Just asking.

just because im converting to islam doesnt mean i have to live in a islamic country,(for the record i have lived a couple of years in different islamic coutries and they have treated me in the most humble way not like how you treat muslims) this is my coutry (canada not america) and i have been used to the culture and lifestyle here. and i have adapted very well to the islamic countries thankyou very much i dint need your concern and besides staying here i have been able to get many canadians to join my side and learn the truth
ps.your ignorance makes me laugh

Of course they treat you good, they see you as a messenger of the Islam is a religion of peace falsehood. If you are so confident you have told them the truth, bring them here. I will show them how you try and justify pedophilia, and rape. How you do not have the courage to even begin to question Islam.

004.024
YUSUFALI: do you even know what the Islamic rule to that is it is not sex slavery, it is called mutaa’ when both parties agree to get married temporarily and with the womens agreement and the man has to pay her and take responsibility for her but that doesnt make her a slave if she agrees to it. this is done so no sin is committed it is better done by agreement and in the open rather than two people having sex unlawful,we dont have sex unless there is a sort of marrige involved. prostitution is haram it is a sin that is why it is done like that at least our quran talks about this and god knows everything he created us so he knows our nature and that we are sexual beings so he wants us to do it in the right way..unlike the priests abstaining from sex that is like going againts your nature. which priest isnt a pedophile? tell me that

Anyways you have got to look deeper into the quran you cant just look at the surface and be prejudice about it..i feel you should research and there is no point to arguing with someone that lacks bacis islamic knowledge

Wrong, it is sex slavery and mut’a is something different. It is a temporary marriage. Basically it is prostitution. So now I see how you try and justify rape. Are you afraid to criticize Islam? Do you think Islam is perfect?

“The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Scared Law”
This book has the stamp of approval of Al Azhar, the highest learning Islamic school in the world.

Justice Chapter: Jihad
THE RULES OF WARFARE

o9.13 When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.

This is backed up by other Koran verses.

033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

008.069
YUSUFALI: But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

I don’t support pedophilia Priests, but you support a religion that allows it. You are not even making sense. I have done research, and you have yet to prove me wrong.

i think islam is more than perfect i think your messed up culture and your twisted minds that is why is country has gone haywire. so its fine there are prostitutes in this country and there are rapist
how is it rape when the women agrees to have sex too…huh? u obviously have not had the right definition of rape:force (someone) to have sex against their will
this guy is paying the girl and women have sexual desires too have you not acknowledged that your so sexist. temporary marrige is what this is called..i have already proved you wrong because now god will hold you liable on judgment day saying that you hated one of his religions and you completely are opposing the word of god…my god is the same as the christian and the jewish god…therefore you are going aganst the word of your god if you are christain..and i dont want to get started on how humans have changed that beautiful religion to something of thier own
all religions are beautiful that come from god but once it is changed by man it becomes corrupted

oh and dont look at the islamic goverment and dont look at the people practicing islam because obviously no one is perfect only look at the religion and the quran

the governments in iran,iraq,saudi arabia…no one said they are doing the right thing they just do things under the name of islam doesnt mean its right! you should know better than that

admin

November 23, 2010 at 12:52 pm

I have looked at the religion, and it calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.

009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Your constant excuses are not cutting it. Have you read the Koran?

admin

November 23, 2010 at 12:53 pm

In other words you cannot refute my statements.

admin

November 23, 2010 at 12:46 pm

Then why are you still here? Taking a woman as a sex slave, is not the same as a woman agreeing to have sex. Once again you are trying to cover for verse 4:24. Yes, he is paying her like a prostitute, but you try and justify it because it is legal in Islam. You obvious do not have it in you to question Islam.

Point out where you have proven me wrong about verse 4:24. Sex slaves and mut’a are not the same thing. I am not religious, but the God of Christianity is not the same God of Islam. Because according to the Islamic scriptures Jesus will come back as a Muslim, and destroy Christianity. So you are implying that the God of Christianity wants his religion destroyed. That does not even make sense. Mohammad was a lying terrorist, and plunderer. Islam has not been corrupted.

Lala; don’t go away. I have a few more questions I would like to ask. Such as: Is he a contributing source for your Zakat? Does his bint… ah… I mean.. wife know? How does she really feel about you? What does you husband do when he is away? Do you know? How do you feel about her? Just a few questions. All within the guidlines of the Quran.

Everyone chill.
Islam is a little messed up when they tell other faiths not to publicize it because it is against their own. Straight up, not fair. If they can wear head scarves and gowns to show their faiths I have no problem, but do not tell us we cannot wear a CROSS NECKLACE, our faith doesn’t have RULES hating on other faiths. That’s what real religion is about, in regards to this story. I admit Abercrombie has its problems this story does not provide adequate information as to if she was given a warning to her dress code. Upon the hiring process she was given a handbook, Abercrombie has an image and thats what sells. Any basic marketing knowledge would understand this principle. Stop fighting about religion it’s a never ending battle, and a hole that never can be fully dug. The worker knew the requirements of the workplace, and if she was against it she should have filed some sort of request to be excused. Not a problem. In Canada we are very diverse, there are always going to be problems, but the Islam community not being able to live in an American country and abid by the rules we would adapt to if we were visiting in their community is unjust and unfair. The Muslim community tried to change the Canadian Flag into something more multicultural, as the image was so “Canadian,” HELLO! You live in Canada.

The amount of hatred I see here makes me quite sad. Both the people defending and attacking Islam seem to resort to name-calling and underhanded jabs to try to get their point across, and I’m sorry, but that just seems malign. I may not be fluent with the religions of the world, but I’ve met people of all different faiths and ethnic backgrounds: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Pagans, Wiccans, Athiests, Scientologists, etc.

All the religions on this planet are good, but can be manipulated by the followers to meet their wants. There are bad muslims just like there are bad christians, and there are bad Americans just like there are bad Iraqis, and Russians, and Indians and so forth.

The girl should not have been hired if the hajib violated the look policy. The look policy itself isn’t a problem. I work at Abercrombie and can’t wear my Led Zeppelin shirts or my jeans that have been torn apart by skating and other sports, but I adhere to the policy because that’s my job. But I still wear my Vans and proudly show my tattoo because Abercrombie lets me. They let her wear her hajib, because like my tattoo, it’s apart of her. But because a DM felt like it was against a policy that never expressly stated such, that girl was fired, and I think that’s just wrong.

Imagine you wore a cross to Abercrombie and you worked there for months, but a DM comes by and tells you to take the cross off. You refuse, because of your religion, and you get fired. It’s the same thing, just different type of symbol.

Islam calls for the dominance over non-Muslims, while allowing child marriages and rape. Why don’t you explain what I should like about those actions? If you even scanned through the site you would have seen I get my point across using the Islamic scriptures, and the actions of Muslims.

So what you met those people? Who hasn’t? Meeting them does not change what Islam is.

If you do not know much about Islam, how do you know it is good? Did Mohammad “manipulate” the religion he founded?

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Christians and Jews are not on worldwide campaign threatening to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all. Muslims are.

Your tattoo is inked into your skin. A hijab is a removable piece of clothing. Your attempt at moral equivalence was not a good one.

The symbol of Islam is a symbol that stands for the domination over the non-Muslims. Is that what you respect? For the sake of your future generations, I hope you educate yourself on the issue.