sombrio wrote:Very beta of me to question the alpha status of an obvious follower.

This is bad, man. This is really bad. Les, you don't get it. There are horrible things happening here and you're on the wrong side of the whole damn thing.

This is how democracies die. FiveThirtyEight had the chances at 30% today. I don't want to play Russian roulette with one bullet, much less two.

The Cubs won and I hope election day is this good. But I worry.

I'm just going to say, unlike some people here, I'm an actual American. I love my country. I don't want to see this happen to her. This is a bad, bad thing, and it's too close for any kind of comfort. And foreigners who support fascism coming to America can FUCK RIGHT OFF.

I agree about fascism coming to the USA, thus it's even more clear to NOT have H.R.C. win. That will be very bad if the horribly corrupted person that she is wins the highest office in the USA.

Horrible things have and will likely happen to the USA and abroad, this is why the USA needs D.J.T. You are on the wrong side of it all if you feel H.R.C. represents a better tomorrow for the USA. She cares only for one thing, herself. She along with Slick Willy has used public office for her and their own gain as well as to move her leftist, socialist agenda forward. She has been outed as a liar, a sociopath and as with all we have and are learning about her email and server scandal is a threat to US security. She along with the Clinton Foundation is under criminal investigation as we sit here and yet many still think she should be POTUS. REALLY!?!

You don't have a clue, do you?

The smear campaign against Hillary Clinton is just that. A right-wing smear campaign. You know how I know she's clean? She's been subjected to the most rigorous vetting anyone could possibly think of--an entire political party trying to destroy her and her husband for the past 25+ years--and NOT ONE THING has stuck. Not one.

Name one specific, concrete piece of evidence that shows that Hillary Clinton is "a liar, a sociopath and ... a threat to [national] security."

Worse, every single thing you said about her applies to Trump as well. You know how I know you're drinking the Kool-Aid? Because you're just parroting Republican Party talking points. They know they have an untenable candidate, so they use projection. Everything they say about Clinton is what Trump is guilty of. The difference is that with Trump there's actual evidence. Not just evidence but pending litigation. As Gary Johnson pointed out, if he gets elected, we'll have a President-Elect standing trial not only for fraud, but for trial rape.

Trump has been repeatedly sued by the government for housing discrimination, and now he's being sued for fraud. And has a civil case pending against him for the rape of a 13-year-old.

Not one charge against Clinton has ever made it even as far as trial.

She's clean. If she weren't, the Republican Party would have made something, anything, stick by now. They can't, because they've got nothing.

1300zuk wrote:Les, how many shirtless bathroom selfies have you taken?

None, how about you?

What I send on snapchat is none of your business.

I was undecided on who I was voting for, if I thought Hillary was going to clearly win my state I was going to vote for someone else. But now I'm likely voting hillary and will probably need a drink before and after voting.

Look up what these terms mean, HRC, Bill, the Podesta's and her/their buds/friends, Democrat/liberal associates all seem to know them well. THIS IS NO CONSPIRACY!!! It's all out in wikileaks emails and leaking from NYPD investigation of Anthony Wiener. If our MSM would do their jobs and be credible news journalists and reporters we'd all know up front what these terms mean.

Not revealing such MSM, makes you all complicit under the law.

Add 'Lolita flights' to the private island in the US Virgin Islands is also ALL OUT THERE IN THE FUCKING LEAKS!!! Dammit why are people not wanting this stuff to be out in the bright light of day!?! WTF is wrong with all of you people?

The worst mass murderers are women, they murder the unborn in millions per year and are the worst killers of children. Both points here are facts.

The global unholy alliance,Communism, Islam and the imposter Pope of the corrupted Catholic Church.

BTW before one of the 5 or 6 other posters at this forum here come back with some silly comment or attack towards me or worse defending the 'crimes' against America that Hilary Clinton has done and some other pro H.R.C. support knowing and/or having the ability to learn such through all the wiki leaks of these emails and such, WHY DO I BOTHER!?!

I'll end with this, D.J.T for the win.

The worst mass murderers are women, they murder the unborn in millions per year and are the worst killers of children. Both points here are facts.

The global unholy alliance,Communism, Islam and the imposter Pope of the corrupted Catholic Church.

Les / Vipers Rule wrote:BTW before one of the 5 or 6 other posters at this forum here come back with some silly comment or attack towards me or worse defending the 'crimes' against America that Hilary Clinton has done and some other pro H.R.C. support knowing and/or having the ability to learn such through all the wiki leaks of these emails and such, WHY DO I BOTHER!?!

I'll end with this, D.J.T for the win.

I don't know why you bother. No one values your opinion. No one takes you seriously. And the handful of comments you make that are half-way understandable are horrifying in substance.

Man - I'm a wreck. My wife is driving across the Rockies, we're completing the purchase of a condo, I'm looking for a job in Victoria (fortunately I'm solid in my current job, and my wife has a position she starts next week), my mother-in-law and her other daughter are living with me, we're getting stuff packed for the shippers on Tuesday for the move to Victoria, and this election is currently happening.

Funny how talking heads especially here in Canada talk about how much and what type of change will come from who will be POTUS?

They say Trump will be much more of a change and have a bigger affect on change with the USA and Canada to name two partners. Clinton will be more status quo. UM NO $HIT SHERLOCK! Any time a nation changes it’s head of government/state especially if it’s a change from one political party to another WILL HAVE CHANGE! Sometimes more change other times less so. Sheesh PM Sunnyways is a big change in one year from our previous PM Dingleberry. THAT’S LIFE!

Clinton is status quo more or less to Obama (the worst, most mushy, indecisive POTUS in decades), inside the USA and outside. THAT IS WHY MANY AMERICAN’S DO NOT TRUST HER AND HATE HER!

Trump is at least HONEST and jeez is that not refreshing. He tells it as he sees it and that is a great reason to vote for him. YOU WILL THEN BETTER KNOW WHAT YOU WILL GET!

Trade between the USA and Canada in fact between the USA and world will go on. All nations want trade with the USA. This talk of how Trump is a protectionist stuff is tiring! He is all for trade. He is clear in what he feels are lousy trade deals to the USA. When I hear talking heads in Canada for one cry how a Trump Presidency will be bad for Canada’s trade with the USA, I say YOU PROVE HIM RIGHT! Trade deals should be neutral therefore they should not affect one side or the other adversely. They should be transparent, accountable and fair. TWO WAY STREETS as Trump says. If Canadians fear negative affects of Trump either forcing a reopening of NAFTA or the USA abrogating it, well he has a point.

He seems to be against omnibus trade deals. He has always been clear in all he says, but some people DON’T LISTEN! He wants trade between the USA and the world but not if it robs the USA of wealth and potential along with robbing it of sovereignty as these big deals have and do.

If his actions may also mean the USA pulls out of WTO ! SO BE IT! Why and where did it say the WTO must remain a part of humanity forever! If say on Jan. 21st. 2017 the USA pulls out of WTO, LIFE WILL GO ON! Trade will continue to go on. Nations will all still line up to trade with the USA as it is still circa 2016/17 the most important nation on Earth.

If Trump gets NAFTA to be reopened he will get some concessions, but in ‘horse trading’ on renegotiating NAFTA maybe Canada and Mexico will get some too. SO BE IT! We will still trade with the USA as we did long before NAFTA.

THE FEAR MONGERING IS PATHETIC! Blind globalism is not working for most. Globalism as we see it is crony-capitalism for the elites and biggest corporations which are now fat ‘n lazy and do not want to compete but want to be oligarchs and instill creeping socialism with cultural Marxism for all the rest of us. I say most Americans of most if not all backgrounds and incomes HAVE HAD IT! and so too do most Canadians if they are honest.

LIFE CHANGES! Nothing man made should be proverbially written forever in stone, not trade deals, not any global organizations such as the UN, WTO, NATO, OECD, BLAH BLAH BLAH!

Trump may be the elixir this world needs, NOTHING TO FEAR FOLKS! Change via his ideology may be better for us all in the long run.

Nations freely allowing there people, corporations big and small competing with each other in all ways from the human market place of ideas, to economics, to social structures, to politics, in most if not all ways, will be better and a truer way to global capitalism and democratic values, than in the ways we see now it with, blind cronyism and socialistic globalism.

Les / Vipers Rule wrote:BTW before one of the 5 or 6 other posters at this forum here come back with some silly comment or attack towards me or worse defending the 'crimes' against America that Hilary Clinton has done and some other pro H.R.C. support knowing and/or having the ability to learn such through all the wiki leaks of these emails and such, WHY DO I BOTHER!?!

I'll end with this, D.J.T for the win.

I don't know why you bother. No one values your opinion. No one takes you seriously. And the handful of comments you make that are half-way understandable are horrifying in substance.

SAME BACK AT YOU YOU ANGRY MIDDLE AGED MAN! Try cooling your jets for once.

The worst mass murderers are women, they murder the unborn in millions per year and are the worst killers of children. Both points here are facts.

The global unholy alliance,Communism, Islam and the imposter Pope of the corrupted Catholic Church.

Take that for what it's worth. Maybe he isn't as ignorant as you guys say he is.

Yeah he is. That's basically like saying that horrible things are OK simply because an 18th century election system decided that a minority of Americans said it was.

Funny how H.R.C. said the election system works and results should be accepted, well she said this before she lost. Now her supporters cry about the results and the system. GO FIGURE!

Fact is the Electoral college works as it makes sure one or two largest states cannot control in of themselves the results. If you take out just TWO of the winningest counties for HRC in California she'd have lost the popular vote decisively. In fact take California's vote out and she would have lost the popular vote by over 3 million. Should one state decide who becomes President?

The founding fathers were smart and obviously smarter than the whiners including the CANT' LET IT GO! lamestream media and among the H.R.C. supporters. The electoral college makes sure suburban and rural counties have a voice and are not just swamped by say especially California and lesser by New York. Imagine what the USA would look like and how probably messed up it would be if they did not have the electoral college. Liberal/leftist and messed up California would have put by its own vote every President in power probably going back to WWII or further. Do you all think that the rest of the USA would be OK with that.

Trump won about 3500 counties, H.R.C only about 500 counties.

H.R.C. LOST! You all who blindly supported her LOST, ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!

The worst mass murderers are women, they murder the unborn in millions per year and are the worst killers of children. Both points here are facts.

The global unholy alliance,Communism, Islam and the imposter Pope of the corrupted Catholic Church.

My god it's a right winger conspiracy psycho. They are they only people that talk like Les. The fact that he had to type "H.R.C" every time he referred to Clinton, is enough to show me that he can't have a sophisticated talk with anyone about American politics. Don't know why you guys keep engaging him.

thewalrus wrote:I accept that Clinton lost. I'm resigned to a Trump Presidency. I have faith in the fact that nearly two million more Americans rejected his ignorance and his hate than didn't.

You fell for the mainstream media propaganda of his hate, he has no such, at least compared to any other choices who ran on both sides this whole election cycle. Ignorant people do not become billionaires.

The party of hate is the Democrats and most liberals of today. Look at the hate in the illegal/violent protests, The hate on US College grounds, the hate online, the hate in mainstream media. I think you may have your blinders on.

The problem with modern liberalism (mostly socialists dressed as liberals as Late President Reagan warned America about) is that these general leftists have few if any core values. Their path they walk on is a dark path to tyranny if enough time goes by without opposition. Their values or ideals are mere constructs, here today, twisted there tomorrow, tossed out if a new construct fills their minds the next day. The every day working Joe's (call em independents if you may) to even the right and very conservative right, have core values that they never really sell out. Oh sure one can a find distaste in some of their values but at least you know where they stand. By such one can engage in debate and in trying to find common ground for peace and civility.

The new left, SJW, liberals, social democrats, to outright socialists have proven this whole election cycle that the can't debate. They can't defend their values as these are not based in a solid foundation. These are mere social(ist) and politically driven constructs that will again change, be tossed out or ignored to suit their hopeful end game.

Modern liberals/socialists/SJW's I look forward to see where they go when Islam's horrid values finally slams full force into LBGTQ/women's rights in a country like cuckville Canada has been going especially under PM Cuck Trudeau. But also even in the USA. Trump may be a force to blunt this soon to be crashing of counter values but he may still not be able to stop it in the USA. I guess we will all get a preview by looking at how it goes in Sweden, Germany, France, Britain, Belgium and Holland etc. first.STAY TUNED!

The worst mass murderers are women, they murder the unborn in millions per year and are the worst killers of children. Both points here are facts.

The global unholy alliance,Communism, Islam and the imposter Pope of the corrupted Catholic Church.