And you haven't made any case why the Bush legacy is any different than the Obama's when it comes to correcting our financial problems.

Bush took a surplus and exploded a deficit and established a problem, in the Bush tax cuts, that is the key driver of the deficit and key contributor to the debt. Two deficit-financed wars. And Medicare Part D.

Obama, by contrast, deficit-financed an economic recovery, which is sound economic practice. He has attempted to repeal part of the Bush tax cuts, which Republicans still dive in front of to save. And he passed a healthcare reform of his own that is bigger and more efficient than Part D, which paid for itself.

I've lost the capacity to feel hope many, many years ago. But this is definitive change.

Bush took a surplus and exploded a deficit and established a problem, in the Bush tax cuts, that is the key driver of the deficit and key contributor to the debt. Two deficit-financed wars. And Medicare Part D.

I agree. I'm on record with that.

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Obama, by contrast, deficit-financed an economic recovery, which is sound economic practice. He has attempted to repeal part of the Bush tax cuts, which Republicans still dive in front of to save. And he passed a healthcare reform of his own that is bigger and more efficient than Part D, which paid for itself.

The Obama deficit financed economy was totally ****ed up from the beginning. It spent borrowed dollars on leftist dreams that made little sense. Hence the weak economy we face now.

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I've lost the capacity to feel hope many, many years ago. But this is definitive change.

I was with you on the losing hope until Ryan was introduced as the rep VP. At least he is talking reality. Other than that I don't see any definitive change.

It didn't save us from a Depression and we could argue all night about how many and what kind of jobs it created and the money wasted. If Obama wouldn't have been such an elitist novice with a stacked congress that money would have been better spent. We're almost 4 years into Obama's recovery and what's our growth rate? 1.5% Wow. Amazing. We've got a lot more unemployed than being reported and we're heading for 3rd world status.

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When, exactly?

It wasn't during his RNC speech. Ryan's speech was light on details and wrong on the few he did bring up.

You want to talk about talking reality, look at the OP in this thread.

When Obama and the dems want to address voters and the entitlement crisis we face come talk to me. Until then all they are about is winning elections. Ryan at least has shown the promise of attempting to bring the conversation to light.