In an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, George Zimmerman discussed fatally shooting an unarmed 17-year-old in a controversial Florida confrontation earlier this year. Zimmerman said he didn’t regret what led to Trayvon Martin’s death.

“I feel like it was all God’s plan, and for me to second-guess it or to judge it,” he said.” However, at the end of the interview, he said he didn’t understand Hannity’s question. “I do wish that there was something, anything that I could have done that wouldn’t have put me in the position where I had to take his life.”

Zimmerman also had a message for Martin’s parents: “I’m sorry… I am sorry that they buried their child. I can’t imagine what it must feel like. And I pray for them daily.”

Millions of people talk about “God’s Plan” for any number of reasons. It is obvious that God is imaginary, but for millions of people there is a delusional belief that God is real. For these people: How would anyone know what God’s Plan is? It is when this question is asked that the insanity of religion is laid bare.

135 Responses to “The insanity of religion, God’s Plan version”

I’m so glad he said this. When one religious nut says something so incredibly stupid that other religious nuts have to argue against him, it’s a win-win for us.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 3:18 pm 2.Lou(DFW) said …

1.BrianE said …

“…it’s a win-win for us.”

I know what you mean, but it’s actually a lose-lose for everybody.

The theists must accept his claim.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 3:27 pm 3.DPK said …

“How would anyone know what God’s Plan is?”

Well, by definition, anything that happens is God’s Plan. Otherwise, it wouldn’t happen, what with the whole omnipotent/omniscient thing he’s got going on.

The even bigger question is, since everything happens according to god’s plan, and god has known for eternity exactly everything that is going to happen, why do religious people pray to god for certain things? He isn’t going to change his mind. Indeed, since he already knows what will happen, he actually CAN’T change his mind (rendering the whole omnipotent claim rather moot, eh?). Furthermore, how do they reconcile the idea of god’s plan with their claim of free will? If god has determined what will happen according to his plan and his will, then we are nothing more that pages in a book that has already been written. But, if we have the power to change the pages in the book, then god’s plan cannot exist.

The simple reality that theists cannot reconcile, that god either WANTED Zimmerman to kill Martin, or he did NOT want Zimmerman to kill Martin, but was powerless to prevent it. You really can’t have it both ways, now can you?

on 20 Jul 2012 at 6:06 pm 4.RJ said …

Of course when these tragedies happen and the culprit claims “God told me to do it!” the “christians” always say “The man was clearly disturbed! Don’t blame religion!”

But how can they suggest he’s disturbed? Because of his claim that God spoke to him? No, because “christians” claim God speaks to them many times.

Because God would never command someone to kill? No, because there are many stories in the OT where God commands just that.

So I’m just curious how “christians” are so sure God didn’t tell this guy to do it (or any of the other mass murderers over the years who made the same claim).

on 20 Jul 2012 at 6:42 pm 5.A said …

“When one religious nut says something so incredibly stupid that other religious nuts have to argue against him, it’s a win-win for us.”

You think so Brian? How is this a “win-win” for your “us”?

on 20 Jul 2012 at 6:43 pm 6.A said …

Here is the reality. Within in a 1/2 mile radius of me, 3 students have died this year. We all die. Martin made a poor decision of attacking a man with a gun and it costs him his life. God allowed him to make that decision.

But here is the real win. Your Democrat comrades The New Black Panthers putting out hits for cash on a man who has not been convicted of a crime. Your Prez sitting back and allowing it to take place. He is apparently powerless to stop it.

Lou how old are you?

on 20 Jul 2012 at 7:00 pm 7.DPK said …

Lou, “A”‘s unhealthy fixation on your age leads me to think maybe he wants to date you… provided you are around 12 or 13.

I must confess I have no idea how old Lou is, but it is obvious to me that he is old enough to recognize your bullshit and your bullshit, co-op answers.

So, “A”, let’s get you on record. “God allowed him to make that decision.”… and he did so knowing full well it would cost him his life, as well as ruin the life of his faithful servant, Mr. Zimmerman… correct? Therefore, your god WANTED things to unfold exactly as they did, correct? In fact, according to Mr. Zimmerman, it was part of god’s plan. Do you agree, or not?

No DPK, you got it right the first time. You make me laugh with your many gaffes.

I did forget to mention, Zimmerman is a fellow Liberal democrat too. His belief in God probably mirrors Obama’s.

Actually another blogger brought up Lou’s age and it is quite relevant. The human brain is not fully developed until a certain age. This could be in play and explain much.

What’s wrong DPK? Afraid to answer one single question? An atheist has a lack of belief regarding their own age? Obviously he is fearful to reveal it.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 8:39 pm 10.Lou(DFW) said …

5.ASStrophysicist said …

“But here is the real win. Your Democrat comrades The New Black Panthers putting out hits for cash on a man who has not been convicted of a crime. Your Prez sitting back and allowing it to take place. He is apparently powerless to stop it.”

You really are a nut. Get help.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 9:05 pm 11.DPK said …

What the fuck does Zimmerman’s political views have to do with the question before YOU about god’s will?

You have a really hard time staying on topic, don’t you? It must be tough being a world class Astrophysicist with such a sever case of ADD. I feel for you.

Now, try to follow along.
1. I don’t know how old Lou is, so why should you assume that I am “afraid to answer”?
2. I assume you will agree, if your god is in fact real, he is not political, so let’s try to keep your extreme and psychotic hatred of democrats out of the discussion unless you can show it is somehow relevant.
3. Why don’t you EVER answer any questions asked of you? You remind me of someone named Horatiio who did the same thing… and made the same common grammatical mistakes as you, and also used to take delight in making simple minded, childish comments about irrelevant things…. hmmm.
4. Hit squads? Really? Ok, since you brought that into the topic, I’ll give you one chance to both prove it and make it relevant to the discussion… which was god’s plan for the world.

Now, Hor, er, Astrophysicist… why won’t you answer the question? Are you afraid, too stupid, or just completely disingenuous?

on 20 Jul 2012 at 9:08 pm 12.DPK said …

And while your at it, why don’t you explain exactly what a “co-op answer” is that you think I “got right” the first time.

You are a complete fucking idiot. No wonder you believe in invisible, magical beings.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 9:16 pm 13.Prime said …

ASStro does the following here so far:

1. Post #4: Fail to see how a person claiming a religious rationalization for a horrendous tragedy, one so patently disgusting that most of the religious community is rejecting it, serves as a “winning” situation for the cause of those who wish religion to fall out of the mainstream. (Subsequently, he tries to sound clever in voicing this opinion while trying to draw the person that expressed it originally into a “trap.”)

2. Post #5: Try to trivialize the tragedy by saying “we all die.”

3. Post #5: Tries to shift blame in an undecided case onto Martin, who very well may have been the victim–a reality he cannot know but acts as though he does. This is a further attempt to trivialize the tragedy by placing the blame on the dead boy presumptively.

4. Post #5: Says that the victim died as a result of the gift that God gave him, the ability to make a choice, although there is no way he can know that the boy made this choice or was even capable of making it. This is a deflection to further place the blame away from his worldview and onto those threatening it.

5. Post #5: Bring up an outraged organization, possibly justly outraged–depending on the realities of the case, which remain unknown–and then tie them to his political opponents as a further attempt to displace blame, one that is utterly irrelevant to the topic. This he calls “the real win.” We might, if we wanted to play his stupid game, point out ties between the KKK and the Tea Party.

6. Post #5: Accuses the president of “allowing” and being “powerless to stop” the activity of this outraged group.

7. Post #5: Disowns his own president because of his political affiliation.

8. Post #5: Asks an utterly irrelevant personal question of Lou(DFW) like he’s hot on some kind of case, as if Lou’s age will reveal something meaningful to his ASStropic ways.

9. Post #8: Call’s DPK’s insignificant error, which was corrected, a “gaffe.” Indeed, claims it is one of many and that it is somehow funny. Fails to look in the mirror while doing this.

10. Post #8: Calls man being tried regarding the tragedy a member of the political party he opposes and does so in a way that reveals his general ignorance by tacking on pointless adjectives: “liberal democrat.” He fails to realize that this makes him look stupidly opinionated and beyond rational discussion in the process.

11. Post #8: Associates religious views of defendant in tragedy with the religious views of the president, as if that’s in any way relevant, particularly noting that the president has never publicly said that this tragedy was “God’s plan” (the topic at hand, which ASScake seems to have forgotten).

12. Post #8: Mistakes people commenting on a blog for “bloggers.”

13. Post #8: Displaces blame from himself about the personal question placed on Lou(DFW), accusing another “blogger” of bringing it up (in a rhetorical question, which has been thoroughly explained previously to his awareness), although only he seems so obsessed with it.

14. Post #8: Mistakes this detail about Lou(DFW) as “quite relevant” although it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand or with the correctness of Lou’s arguments. This is a distraction to a possible red herring that he probably won’t even be able to execute if Lou is forthcoming with this piece of information (personally, I hope he is not so we can measure, no doubt in months, how long ASSbates keeps bringing it up).

15. Post #8: Taunts DPK who he might be mistaking for Lou(DFW) temporarily and then not later in the same series of schoolyard taunts.

16. Post #8: Lies about either DPK or Lou(DFW) by saying that they lack belief regarding their own age. Wtf?

17. Post #8: Assumes Lou(DFW)’s reasoning in keeping an irrelevant piece of personal information to himself is an exhibition of fear.

18. Post …: Does not comment meaningfully on the topic at hand or present evidence for his imaginary God.

Indeed, ASSmaster, you are possibly dangerously mentally ill. Lou’s suggestion in Post #9 that you get help is pretty likely to be of significance.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 9:17 pm 14.Prime said …

Oh yeah, I knew I was forgetting one!

19. Post …: Answer simple, direct, relevant questions asked of him.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 9:53 pm 15.Xenon said …

I don’t know how old Lou (DFW) is but I would guess early 20s by his responses.

I saw today after the Colorado tragedy ABC immediately attempted to pin the shooter to the Tea Party. Of course he wasn’t a Tea Party member. How sick is it when the left attempts to politicize thinks like Aurora and Martin for their own benefit while ignoring all the obvious crimes of the Occupiers.

How much more sick is it when a hate group like the Panthers can put bounties on the heads of others without consequences.

I too would like to know how BrianE sees this as a win-win for his side. How sad it is he sees this as sides?

on 20 Jul 2012 at 10:22 pm 16.Prime said …

Painfully irrelevant.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 10:43 pm 17.A said …

X

If Lou is in his early 20s that would be the upper end of the guess. He acts like a little boy.

Anywho, moving on to relevancy. Zimmerman, this guy who will never get a fair trial, who looks scared to death and can never go home again. And why?

These horrible national tragedies are all the same. The loony left race baiters, gun haters and political ideologues all look for opportunities to score. It is only irrelevant for guys like ODD who actually like the left loonies promoting their filth.

Remember the Duke Lacrosse players? They were innocent. The accuser gets a free college education compliments of Jesse. Guess where she is now? In jail for murder. Never one apology from Sharpton, Jesse or the Black Panthers.

Zimmerman can expect the same.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 11:19 pm 18.alex said …

14.Xenon said …

blah? groups? blah? more diversions? +fail.

16.A said …

blah? tragedy? blah? groups? diversion? +fail.

get the fuck out of here.

on 20 Jul 2012 at 11:26 pm 19.alex said …

oh, i’m so thankful that god spared me! 5 billion motherfuckers on the planet and if i died it would be such a tragedy! the rest of those poor dead fuckers should have been more righteous like me.

let’s pray for their souls. prayers will somehow determine their destinies, pre-planned by the imagined schizophrenic god. boo-hoo.

we die, lights out. get over it. be nice. leave folk alone.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 12:34 am 20.DPK said …

Wonder why Astrophyscist won’t answer the question?
How about it A… You are really making a fool out of yourself even worse than normal.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 12:36 am 21.The Judge said …

The Logic of Barack Obama:

If you were successful at killing 12 people and injuring 59 more in a movie theater, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a terrible teacher somewhere in you life. Somebody helped to create the state of affairs that we have that allowed you to kill. Somebody invested in roads and bridges that enabled you to get to the theater. If you’ve got a gun and tactical armor, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 12:42 am 22.alex said …

21.The Judge said …

you’re a two-faced moron. the potus is one of you, but because he black, he ain’t good enough. you’re a white bread, republican xtian. anybody different, ain’t good enough. he even prays to your god.

get the fuck out of here with your side shit. oh, look, lou is 11.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 1:40 am 23.Prime said …

21.The Judge said …

“The Logic of Barack Obama:
If you were successful at killing 12 people and injuring 59 more in a movie theater, somebody along the line gave you some help.”

Why am I overwhelmingly compelled to say “yes… the NRA, for one…”?

on 21 Jul 2012 at 2:05 am 24.MrQ said …

A, and Xenon (inert gas bag)

What do Zimmerman, Hitler, Pol Pot, the Pope, Jesse, Sharpton, and the Panthers have in common? Answer: It’s ALL part of your god’s plan. Just trying to steer the thread back on track……..

on 21 Jul 2012 at 2:18 am 25.Xenon said …

“Why am I overwhelmingly compelled to say “yes… the NRA, for one…”?”

Because you are not a very bright individual. That pesky Constitution is a real inconvenience for your ilk.

Take away guns but legalize drugs. That makes a bunch on nonsense.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 2:24 am 26.Prime said …

24.Xenon said …

“Because you are not a very bright individual.
Take away guns but legalize drugs. That makes a bunch on nonsense.”

Ow. The irony. Make it stop. Hilarity points to you and your stupidity, Xenonsense.

“That pesky Constitution is a real inconvenience for your ilk.”

You idiots like to say stupid things like this, but the real question is whether or not you’ve ever read it… or understand it. My guess is that you’ve treated it exactly the same way you treat your bibles: you stare at it, think “omfg, words!”, put it down, and wait for some talking-head to cherry pick some part he wants you to hear so he can play up on your fears and prejudices and get you to do things… like buy lots of guns that he happens to have a stake in selling to you.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 3:27 am 27.DPK said …

Sigh… Endless diversions. The question was, “was it God’s plan for Trevon Martin to be killed by George Zimmerman.”
Why do you idiots refuse to answer the simple question about your god? Is it because doing so will demonstrate the depth of your delusion about the reality of your imaginary god. Why do you insist on trying to divert the topic to such none sense as drug use, gun control, Black Panthers, and the Constitution?
What are you afraid of?
Zimmerman said the death was “part of God’s plan”. Is he correct?
“A” has implied that it was, saying that god allowed Martin the free will to make the decision to “attack a man with a gun.”. But maybe god gave Zimmerman the free will to hunt down and kill a kid? We don’t know, but either way, it must have unfolded according to gods plan for the world? Correct?

on 21 Jul 2012 at 3:44 am 28.Prime said …

It’s because they go to a church and listen to news sources and live in a deluded society where if you say something enough times loudly enough, no matter how ridiculous, that makes it “true” enough. All of that bullshittery has to be maintained by complete and total deflections away from the topic at hand, lest it be discovered for what it is.

In other words, they practice stupid.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 4:15 am 29.DPK said …

Ok theists.. Enough with the diversions. Here is the question. Any of you have balls enough to step up and own the faith you claim to have and answer?

“The simple reality that theists cannot reconcile, that god either WANTED Zimmerman to kill Martin, or he did NOT want Zimmerman to kill Martin, but was powerless to prevent it.” In fairness, I’ll add a third possibility. God did NOT want Zimmerman to kill Martin, had it in his power to prevent it, but decided instead to let it happen, resulting in the death of one and the life of the other being destroyed. The same three options can be stated about the movie theater massacre in Colorado.

Explain. Show your work.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 11:32 am 30.alex said …

god didn’t want anything. he gave zimm free willy, knowing full damn well that zimm was gonna kill. the forethought doesn’t cancel out the free willy. the nonintervention, though, is not very godly. but, it was in the grand plan all along. god knew the events ahead of time and didn’t do shit. the kinda of shit you’d expect from a nonexistent being. or a handsoff kinda god dude that could care less about human piddly shit.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 12:18 pm 31.Boz said …

“Why am I overwhelmingly compelled to say “yes… the NRA, for one…”?”

What Prime meant to say is:

Why am I overwhelmingly compelled to say “yes… the 2nd Amendment, for one…”

Liberal Obamacrats are all alike. They want control and in order to get it, they must disarm the citizens. Obamacrats spend their time studying tactics to get around the Constitution.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 1:30 pm 32.alex said …

“Liberal Obamacrats are all alike.”

who cares? you theist morons are all alike. same delusion, no proof. hey lookey here, I got more diversions! +fail.

try to remember, despite the blackness, obama is one of youse. idiot.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 2:14 pm 33.DPK said …

The Boz persona shows up with a completely irelevant assertion and attempts to not only tell Prime what he “meant to say”, but also attempts to throw another red herring.
Can’t even say, “nice try” there, Bozo.
No one has the balls to address the actual issue, huh?
Alex, of course you are right. The contradictory god they all claim to worship and love looks exactly, 100% like a nonexistent god. That is why they are silent on the issue.

I was recently a state witness in a criminal case. We didn’t really have to do anything other than present the facts to the judge and allow the defendant to testify. He, like ASS/Xenonsense/Bozo went off on a long rambling defense full of tangents and non-sequiturs. He, just like our resident wacko, lost.

“(personally, I hope he is not so we can measure, no doubt in months, how long ASSbates keeps bringing it up).”

;>)

on 21 Jul 2012 at 3:20 pm 35.Prime said …

ASStroXenonsenseBozo (who will be Lou shortly enough) can’t even disguise his political contempt for the president well enough to keep the secret on his sock puppetry.

Then again, maybe he’s essentially a robot that just vomits back up whatever he heard on TV or the radio, like all the rest of these pointless lunatics that threaten to subvert our country in the name of our country like the selfish, ignorant hicks that they are.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 5:49 pm 36.40 year Atheist said …

According to Wired on-line, there is a massive NSA facility being built in the middle of Utah’s desert. The facility, which is near Bluffdale and just off Beef Hollow Road, will be five times the size of the US Capitol, and will house the most intrusive capability of spying on Americans devised to date.

”Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.

But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle—financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications—will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: ‘Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.’”

Even though they can’t legally access any more than the addresses and IP numbers, they can store information in the messages. How could this possibly go wrong?

Well, Wired supplies that for us to consider, too. Were you aware, as I was not, that there is such a thing as a secret court ruling? Or that spies are granted secret powers by these secret court rulings?

” Two Democratic senators urged the Obama administration Thursday to declassify secret court rulings that give the government far wider domestic spying powers under the Patriot Act than intended. The 10-year-old measure, hastily adopted in the wake of the 2001 terror attacks, grants the government broad surveillance powers with little oversight that can be used domestically. While much has been written and debated about the bill’s powers and efficacy, there’s evidently much more going on than the public knows. A secret tribunal known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court has issued classified rulings about the Patriot Act that U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colorado) say expand the government’s surveillance powers even more.

At issue, the lawmakers said, is section 215 of the Patriot Act. The sweeping power, one of the most controversial in the law, allows the secret FISA court to authorize broad warrants for most any type of record, including those held by banks, internet companies, libraries and doctors. The government does not have to show a connection between the items sought under a section 215 warrant and a suspected terrorist or spy: the authorities must assert the documents would be relevant to an investigation.”

To put this in some sort of perspective, if that is at all possible, Wired provides a third puzzle piece. The FBI issues National Security Letters, NSLs, in which they demand from communications providers such as ISPs data on their communications customers. The NSLs demand not only the data but also that the demand be kept secret. In 2010, some 24,000 NSLs were sent, seeking information on 14,000 persons.

14,000 terrorists running around this country? Only 14,000? Remember that Big Sister issued warnings which covered all conservatives, gun owners and Southerners (just for a start). I think the FBI is running behind.

More seriously, I think that the FBI, NSA and the Federal Government in general is running amuck. Oops, someone’s at the door with AR’s and flash bangs…

Gotta git.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 6:19 pm 37.Prime said …

Oh good. 40YPointless sees something about the government, posted by our resident irrelevant, and springs in with a mountain of irrelevant bullshit from his blog. Here come the fanboys to eat it up, wallow in their conspiracy theories and government hating, and say nasty things about the president… while still avoiding answering any questions whatsoever pertaining to the topic of this post or the blog in general.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 7:10 pm 38.alex said …

blog really, really, needs an exclude function.

if this is wordpress, surely we can find a plugin.

number 1 to exclude is 40year old. suppose, i could be numero 2?

on 21 Jul 2012 at 9:43 pm 39.A said …

“Oops, someone’s at the door with AR’s and flash bangs…”

Its Prime/alex/Lou/Anonymous 40YA to confiscate your gun. Make sure you say President Barack Hussein Obama when referring to a DNC president.

The political hacks are nauseating. When W is in power they get the panties in a wad over wire taps. But when President Barack Hussein Obama is in power they will sit back and let the guy do whatever he desires with scarcely a whimper.

Wouldn’t it be great to get a majority of Americans back who support America rather than a party?

(sigh)

on 21 Jul 2012 at 10:01 pm 40.Prime said …

38.A said…

“Wouldn’t it be great to get a majority of Americans back who support America rather than a party?”

You. have. got. to. be. fucking. kidding. us.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 10:02 pm 41.Prime said …

38.ASShat said…

More irrelevant political bull instead of anything to do with the topic at hand. Reject. Next.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 10:42 pm 42.Severin said …

Why would I care for your bullshit US politics?
Stop maltreating me with this shit, or I will start debate about bullshit politics in my corner of the world. Trust me, many will swallow the hook if I start, and this blog will be flooded with world and local politics.
This is another sort of blog, not political one.

Now, please, give us the evidences that your god exists, we are all waiting for a few years, becuse THAT is the topic here.

And tell us why, the hell, your god sacrificed his son for only a few people (compared to entire population of earth at that time), and let the rest of population to wait to know something about Jesus for 1500 years or more.
Or, maybe Indians and Aborigines were not god’s children?
A racist god?

on 21 Jul 2012 at 11:06 pm 43.Lou(DFW) said …

38.A said …

“Wouldn’t it be great to get a majority of Americans back who support America rather than a party?”

You really are a clueless wacko. There’s simply no other explanation. Beaten down, even you have abandoned the defense of your religious delusion, and resorted to attacking the the politics that may or, most probably, may not represent those of the posters on this blog.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 11:09 pm 44.Asher said …

“Remember that Big Sister issued warnings which covered all conservatives, gun owners and Southerners (just for a start).”

40Year,

It was once said a government should fear the people, the people should not fear the government. When the #1 enemy of the government becomes the peaceful dissenters who speak out, that is a scary issue. When a government picks and chooses which laws it will enforce that is a criminal issue. Sadly, history is not on our nation’s side for continued greatness.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 11:10 pm 45.Lou(DFW) said …

38.ASStrophysicist said …

“Its Prime/alex/Lou/Anonymous 40YA to confiscate your gun.”

In that single sentence are several of the usual grammatical errors that expose the sock-puppeteer.

But if there was any single reason for me to support strong gun-control laws, it’s the frightening thought that you may own one.

on 21 Jul 2012 at 11:56 pm 46.alex said …

“It was once said a government should fear the people, the people should not fear the government.”

uhhmm, this is part of your god’s plan and you don’t likey? what’s wrong? everything is planned, remembre? even your idiocy is planned. now that you know this, the plan says, you will spout more moronic stupidity. stay tuned…

on 22 Jul 2012 at 12:01 am 47.Lou(DFW) said …

43.Asher said …

“It was once said a government should fear the people… When the #1 enemy of the government becomes the peaceful dissenters who speak out, that is a scary issue.”

You can’t even keep your political nonsense straight.

on 22 Jul 2012 at 1:24 am 48.Hell Yeah said …

Because this is a religous blog, I am only going to say one thing about politics and that is it.

The Good = no politicians, The Bad = the Democrats, the Ugly = the Republicans. Why is it that people complain about the bad, when the only other option is the ugly?

The Republicans are only for the top rich, which is mind boggling why the poor and middle class vote for them. They are voting against their own interests. The Republicans are also good at finding ways to make those voters think they are good and that the Democrats are the enemy. They know that religion, the gay topic, and guns are the major points that their stupid base will go for, so they make up that the Democrats will take away their guns for example. Scare those redneck hunters into thinking they won’t be able to hunt anymore. And then those rich Republicans have great brain washing tools such as Fox News and Rush Limbeau to keep jamming crap into their head to make them think they are the good guys so they get votes.

It is sad that our country has come down to people being unaware about reality when it comes to politics and religion, and they seem to go hand in hand for the most part.

on 22 Jul 2012 at 2:23 am 49.alex said …

“I am only going to say one thing about politics and that is it.”

one thing?

not too sure, what your game is, but i’m sure not all atheists here vote the same. relevant?

on 22 Jul 2012 at 4:42 am 50.Anonymous said …

Other than agreeing with himself, did A/Asher/Boz/Judge/Xenon/Hor ever, you know, get to the point regarding his supposed-gods plan? Or was it all his usual mean, nasty, and disturbing hate-filled rage?

on 22 Jul 2012 at 5:16 pm 51.DPK said …

No, as expected, he stubbornly refuses to answer any questions about his god, or provide any reasons as to why we should accept that it exists. Choosing instead to vent his thinly veiled racism and try to focus attention away from the fact that his god, as he describes him, is implausible at best, and impossible at worst.
No surprise there, really. Just good to see it demonstrated plainly for all to note.
How about it Hor… Aren’t you or any of your sock puppets going to even acknowledge that you have been given a direct challenge to explain your god? Multiple times?
You got nothing?
Bueller? Bueller?

on 22 Jul 2012 at 5:40 pm 52.Biff said …

Hi 40YA,

It is surprising that more media coverage is not being done to determine just what the Feds are up to in the desert. It used to be their job. If there is a way to insure they spy only on foreign governments and terrorist I am all for it.

Forbes has good article on the operation but who knows what will eventually take place there.

“If there is a way to insure they spy only on foreign governments and terrorist I am all for it.”

Try Allstate.

Biff, if you’re not going to defend your belief in an imaginary god, then at least learn to keep your stupid mouth shut with the diversions. They only demonstrate your stupidity.

on 22 Jul 2012 at 6:11 pm 54.alex said …

“It is surprising that more media coverage is not being done to determine just what the Feds are up to in the desert.”

more sideways shit? boom! bullshit detected! get the fuck out.

if it’s in god’s plan, what is surprising?

now, you’re peddling linkbacks?

on 22 Jul 2012 at 6:42 pm 55.DPK said …

Actually, I find this both enlightening and entertaining.
Entertaining because their refusal to engage in any discussion about the behavior of their imaginary god is being documented for everyone to see.
Enlightening because their rather severe case of attention deficit disorder that prevents them from staying on topic for even 2 paragraphs is rather telling.
No wonder they can’t follow the indications and arguments that indicate their god is just a figment of their imagination. They can’t focus on one consecutive idea for more than 10 seconds before their simplistic minds get derailed… “ooohhh… shiny….” So they fall easy prey to the manipulators that brainwash them. They are easily brainwashed, because that load of laundry is rather small.

So, yeah… keep talking about Black Panthers, government conspiracies, and gun control. Anything but the topic… eh? Because we all know there is nothing you can say about the actual topic that will not make you look even more foolish that you already do. And, apparently, you know it too.

on 22 Jul 2012 at 6:46 pm 56.Prime said …

It’s also entertaining to see how they try to talk over and around the conversation, which might be appropriate if this was their blog and they were trying to ignore people/trolls attempting to hijack. Instead, they’re trolls pretending not to be. So, so stupid.

on 22 Jul 2012 at 6:46 pm 57.Prime said …

“They” probably also high-five “each other” every time one of us refers to “them” in the plural.

on 23 Jul 2012 at 1:45 am 58.Anonymous said …

It is entertaining. It’s almost as entertaining as seeing a Xtian try to explain the problem DPK highlighted in post #3.

So, come on, Hor. Explain it to us. Was it with your so-called god’s will or foresight that this shooting occurred as it did?

After all, Zimmerman said it was his god’s will, did he not? If he’s lying, how can anyone tell the truth between Zimmerman’s claims and the ones someone like whine-baby Matt or Chris/Lover makes?

on 23 Jul 2012 at 2:31 am 59.MrQ said …

So, theists, did Zimmerman carry out god’s plan? Does the plan include a response on your part?

I feel this is yet another dead thread. Too many difficult roads to go down, all of which lead one to conclude that the xtian god is yet another fake in a long succession of man made gods.

Right, more delusions for which they have no evidence. In fact, gun control and gun ownership statistical facts contradict their delusion about that issue.

“They are easily brainwashed, because that load of laundry is rather small.”

You got it…as they so frequently demonstrate here, even about things other than a belief in an imaginary god.

on 24 Jul 2012 at 4:17 am 61.Prime said …

Interesting tidbit I read last night, concerning the Black Panthers and gun control….

It appears to be potentially verifiable that the “guns rights” movement espoused so passionately by so many of the racist rednecks that are so into it was actually initiated by calls by Malcolm X and then later the Black Panthers to arm the black men of the late 1960s against the racist white folks of that era.

Love your guns, gun lovers. Thank the Black Panthers for the change in zeitgeist, taking the US from a nation with some of the strictest gun control laws to a big, rich, mostly white Liberia in just 40 years.

on 29 Jul 2012 at 4:42 pm 62.Sometheman said …

Just wait! Be patient! God is God evenif everyone denies God. some of you simple baby mind,You will see just wait.

on 29 Jul 2012 at 4:49 pm 63.alex said …

“God is God evenif everyone denies God.”

allah is allah. yahweh is yahweh. thor is thor. which one is it moron? or the hundreds or thousands before, which one? you think you’re smart?

what about elves? do they exist even if you deny? next. you’re not even original. your porn tab has finished loading.

Sometheman, never to be heard from again…….

on 29 Jul 2012 at 5:07 pm 64.Anonymous said …

“Just wait! Be patient! God is God evenif everyone denies God. some of you simple baby mind,You will see just wait.”

Another idiot shows up in a drive-by posting.

How do you know this? Answer: You don’t. You just have wishful thinking that you’re special. You’re not. Get over it and get on with living your life to the fullest extent possible.

What is more “baby minded”? That your life ends when you you die. Or the story made up by some simple-minded illiterate nomads who thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe, about an invisible man in the sky, who sacrificed himself to himself to atone to himself for fucking up on account of a conversation a talking snake had with a woman made from a rib, is actually true even though for two thousand years people have been making excuses to explain why the world doesn’t operate like the story says it does?

Face it. You’re delusional and religions is a mental illness and the escape clause from reality for the emotionally weak and feeble minded.

on 29 Jul 2012 at 5:23 pm 65.Scott said …

“Love your guns, gun lovers. Thank the Black Panthers”

I read a little tidbit too. It is called the founding fathers and the Constitution. The founders were packing heat during sessions of Congress. They called for the protection of gun rights because they knew governments would attempt to disarm the people. Students went to class and put their rifles in gun racks during class. Yes, they were gun lovers!

I do thank the Racist Panthers for exposing the hate of the far left anarchist and the compliance of this regime.

on 29 Jul 2012 at 6:44 pm 66.alex said …

“I do thank the Racist Panthers..”

who cares? go to their site and tell them who you are and that you’re a bad motherfucker.

on 29 Jul 2012 at 10:56 pm 67.Anonymous said …

The Scott persona attempts to divert attention from the subject at hand, it’s rather sad isn’t it?

No matter, avoiding the subject also shows the desperation with which delusional Xtians act in order to distract themselves from how irrational and absurd their belief in a god actually is.

Still waiting for that proof that the magic man in the sky exists. Two thousand years or so and we’re still waiting. Sad doesn’t even come close to the reality of a belief in an invisible friend who loves people in a way that mirrors non-existence.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 12:56 am 68.A said …

“Still waiting for that proof that the magic man in the sky exists.

Mouse,

The proof has been shown. We theists acknowledge the proof and have moved on. You are way behind. The atheists then move from “proof of God” to “which God”. You lack focus.

Since that is your game tell me which of the over 100 Big Bang models you believe? With your lack of logic unless we can point to the one true model, Big Bang cannot be real.

Which evolutionary process for man do you acknowledge? Unless you can point to the correct one with absolute certainty, it cannot be true.

You are a materialist. Come on, show us or will you just run and hide like a coward? Lets see how you do.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 1:01 am 69.A said …

Scott,

What I enjoy is how Prime fits the profile of an looney liberal so perfectly. Atheists are so predictable it is almost scary. Attempting to portray gun owners as redneck southerners as if gun owners should be ashamed.

Its because pasty-faced elitist are scared of guns and have no clue how to use them.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 1:30 am 70.Anonymous said …

No, “Ass” you and your sock-puppet persona have never provided proof. All you do is to try divert attention away from your inability to behave honestly and with integrity.

Right now the challenge is for you to prove that you are not a delusional asshole and a troll. So far you are doing a really bad job at disproving either.

So, provide your proof or continue to make us all laugh with your inability to construct coherent sentences and arguments. Go ahead, your every post shows us what a inadequate little person you really are.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 2:46 am 71.A said …

“So, provide your proof”

We already have the proof. Your denial is not our issue.

Running coward? Won’t answer the questions? Come on, give it a shot.

Which of the over 100 Big bang models do you accept?

What evolutionary model do you accept for modern man?

Quite simple questions. If you believe you must know, right?

on 30 Jul 2012 at 2:49 am 72.A said …

“All you do is to try divert attention away ”

Speaking of incoherent sentences, were you attempting to communicate “to divert” alex jr?

Too easy

on 30 Jul 2012 at 3:37 am 73.alex said …

“We already have the proof”

where? up in the sky? in the bible? in your ass?

alex is incoherent. alex smells. alex this, that?

who gives a fuck? who cares about liberals? who cares about the big bang? who cares about alex?

you say you got proof? bring it. no? typical theist shit. nothing.

biff is a muslim. 40year is a xtian. scott believes in zeus. i believe a non-interventionist god can exist. pick one.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 3:45 am 74.Prime said …

At the moment, I like the diversions more than I do their central troll dance, so I’ll play. We might say ASStro and Scott showed up to this gun fight with a knife, which is a bit of a tactical error on their part. Of course, I’m talking about their intelligences, in comparison to my own, not to actual physical weapons, just in case they miss it.

OPPOSITION TO GUN CONTROL was what drove the black militants to visit the California capitol with loaded weapons in hand. The Black Panther Party had been formed six months earlier, in Oakland, by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. Like many young African Americans, Newton and Seale were frustrated with the failed promise of the civil-rights movement. Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were legal landmarks, but they had yet to deliver equal opportunity. In Newton and Seale’s view, the only tangible outcome of the civil-rights movement had been more violence and oppression, much of it committed by the very entity meant to protect and serve the public: the police.

Inspired by the teachings of Malcolm X, Newton and Seale decided to fight back. Before he was assassinated in 1965, Malcolm X had preached against Martin Luther King Jr.’s brand of nonviolent resistance. Because the government was “either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property” of blacks, he said, they had to defend themselves “by whatever means necessary.” Malcolm X illustrated the idea for Ebony magazine by posing for photographs in suit and tie, peering out a window with an M-1 carbine semiautomatic in hand. Malcolm X and the Panthers described their right to use guns in self-defense in constitutional terms. “Article number two of the constitutional amendments,” Malcolm X argued, “provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun.”

Guns became central to the Panthers’ identity, as they taught their early recruits that “the gun is the only thing that will free us—gain us our liberation.”

on 30 Jul 2012 at 3:48 am 75.alex said …

“Running coward?”

try a comma, asshole.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 3:49 am 76.Prime said …

Since you stuperstars are too dense to do it for yourself, the entire modern gun-rights debate was sparked by those Panthers with that act because it led to the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, which essentially caused liberty-nuts to explode, a “fine” tradition that they’ve carried on to the present day.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 6:52 am 77.Severin said …

71 A
“We already have the proof.”

Maybe you have, but we haven’t.
I never saw your proof for god on these pages.

It might be my fault.
If you published it, and I missed it, I deeply apologize and kindly ask you to repeat it for me.

I promise I will instantly become a believer in god.
I do NOT say I will accept it and worship it, but I WILL believe.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 12:14 pm 79.Xenon said …

I think what Prime is saying is:

Black Panthers – bad
Black Panthers use guns
Guns – bad

And we can conclude

Liberalism – bad

on 30 Jul 2012 at 12:23 pm 80.Xenon said …

“In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community”

Prime you have been labeled a troll. I don’t agree but lou has made the proclamation.

Also pointing to some terrorist who use guns does not make guns bad. That is utter stupidity. They also uses phones, electricity and the internet. So you gonna be banning them next?

One way to stop them is when they break a law prosecute them for the offense. I have yet to see that happen.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 12:55 pm 81.alex said …

“I think what Prime is saying is:”

wrong. just like your god.

“Prime you have been labeled a troll.”

wrong again. who labeled him?

“One way to stop them is when they break a law prosecute them for the offense. I have yet to see that happen.”

wrong again. nobody is prosecuting the colo shooter?

usual theist crap. nonsense.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 1:02 pm 82.Lou(DFW) said …

80.Xenonsense said …

“Prime you have been labeled a troll.”

I didn’t do any such thing, but we’re all too familiar with your m.o. of lying to make a point, so let’s clarify something:

Care to take a guess who introduced the Black Panthers to the discussion?

6.ASStrophysicist said …

“Your Democrat comrades The New Black Panthers putting out hits for cash on a man who has not been convicted of a crime.”

Care to take a guess who encouraged the Black Panthers discussion?

15.Xenonsense said …

“How much more sick is it when a hate group like the Panthers can put bounties on the heads of others without consequences.”

on 30 Jul 2012 at 1:22 pm 83.MrQ said …

Xenon,
The deaths of your parents….was it part of god’s plan? I seem to remember that you mentioned that they died in unusual circumstances when you were fairly young.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 6:29 pm 84.Severin said …

68 A
“The proof has been shown … The atheists then move from “proof of God” to “which God”. You lack focus.”

71 A
“We already have the proof.”

Sorry to say, but you are a liar.
I traced your posts long way back and never found any proofs for your god that you posted.
In fact, none of you theists ever did.

Then, we always ask “which god” because we are concerned for your mental healthiness. YOU should be worried about “which god”, when you see paradoxes like this:

YOU say that YOUR god answers prayers, and give billions of examples for it, Muslims say the same, and give billions of examples for it, and Jews say the same, and give billions of examples for their claims. If I was in your shoes I would be VERY
concerned! I would try to use logic and ask myself:
Are those gods that are answering prayers to Jews and Muslims competition gods to Christian god? Maybe also: Does MY god answers prayers to Muslims and Jews?
What, the hell, is going on?

Then, when a Muslim blows a bomb in Tel Aviv, and some Jews die, some are wounded, and some survive, and Jewish priests declare that GOD saved their lives, you should ask yourself (or someone else), WHICH whore of god was it who spared their lives, when you know that giving and taking of lives is the exclusive privilege of Christian god!?
Was it the SAME god who spared Petra’s life?

Can you explain to us that paradox?

Or, maybe, just maybe, YOU are losing the focus?

on 30 Jul 2012 at 8:15 pm 85.40 year Atheist said …

The newspapers in this area are woefully behind the times. Both of the regional papers, one in our small town and that one in the city several counties to the left of here, still refer to the First Amendment on their editorial pages. That might not be the only Amendment to the Constitution which they care about, but it’s the one they care about the most.

The American Left however, has left that behind them and is taking the reverse stance these days. Back in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s, of course, the Left was not in charge of much of anything, so their mantra was free speech, which included flag burning, defecation art, protest posters calling for the death of various officials, and so on.

These days things are different. Free speech is allowed only if it is in support of the new orthodoxy which the Left thinks it has in place. Speech which supports things like a nuclear family which sports a blood-related father is considered too evil to allow into the carefully morally-controlled culture. Hence, the officials who protect the morals of the culture must prevent the likes of Chik-fil-A from entering their moral cloister. Free speech is like free thought, then: only certain ideas are acceptable and deviations must be condemned and abolished. The problem is that the moral condemnation is governmental, and the punishment is banishment from economic enterprise. The heretics are removed from the society which the Leftist government thinks it owns.

To make things even more interesting, the moral guardians have loop-holes for certain like-minded groups, “like-minded” meaning having the ambition to unilaterally dictate the morals and behaviors of their citizen-subjects. Here the reference is to Islam and the creation of Islamic centers in the same city that refuses to accommodate Chik-fil-A. The Islamists actually think similar thoughts concerning the nuclear family, but in draconian and non-voluntary terms. Homosexuals are to be terminated under Islam, and the only internal debate is the method of termination, be it by fire or by tossing off of high buildings.

This doesn’t faze the moral guardians, however, who will no doubt claim freedom of speech for their Islamic pals. So it is apparent that freedom of speech is not for those who advocate voluntary moral character as an approach to social issues, it is only for those who advocate dictatorship over moral behaviors, and consequently access to business opportunity as well.

In the minds of the Leftists who finally have a little control, free speech is a tool of the state, and morality in thought and speech is a dictate of the state which is punishable if the thought and speech are not dogmatically Correct.

The lesson here for homosexuals is that they are pawns in this Leftist game. If they think they are actually protected by the Left, they are not paying attention. Their freedom of speech is as volatile as anyone else’s, unless they join the diktat class. And many have, as demonstrated in the morality laws of California. But historically, under real Leftist rule homosexuals have not fared all that well. The Left is never favorably disposed to anything except control, and all of the Leftist interim feints are temporary; the Hegelian antithesis is always in play and the Left will not stop at the current synthesis with homosexuals. Aggressive Alinsky Consequentialism considers everything and everyone to be a tool to be used, and that includes faux attachments to moral positions and the people who hold them. And that is exactly what is being seen in the great Chik-fil-A caper.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 8:16 pm 86.Prime said …

Here we go with this aspect of the recycled bullshit.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 8:24 pm 87.Lou(DFW) said …

84.40 year A-hole said …

“The newspapers in this area are woefully behind the times.”

So are you. So what?

Cue the sock-puppet fluffers.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 9:10 pm 88.Boz said …

The Chicken war just proves one thing. The far left in this nation are more concerned with what their chicken sandwich company believe about marriage than they are the president they nominate. Maybe they will evolve.

It is the ultimate head up the rear scenario.

Gotta run. Time for dinner and I need to research the abortion positions of the local restaurants.

on 30 Jul 2012 at 10:10 pm 89.DPK said …

No, it also proves something else, that the theists here can’t stay on topic for more than 2 posts without delving into something that has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with “The insanity of religion… God’s plan version.”

What are you all getting so riled up about… if god wants you to have chick fil a, you shall have chick fil a. The government has been crawling up our ass trying to regulate morality since before prohibition.

Here’s a shock for you… I agree with you that city government has no right preventing a business from opening because of the owner’s religious views. Surprised? I also believe in the right to bear arms!
What’s that??? Right wing thoughts from a godless atheist? No, free thought from a person who doesn’t let other people do my thinking for me.

“These days things are different. Free speech is allowed only if it is in support of the new orthodoxy which the Left thinks it has in place.’

That includes college campuses and Occupiers who scream down dissenting opinion. Have you noticed how the media rushes to link the Tea Party to every tragedy but not Occupiers?

Good point on the homosexual agenda. Obama was the 2nd coming even though he didn’t support Gay marriage until just a few months ago. But the Chicken king is evil incarnate for the same opinion.

Incredible.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 1:39 am 92.Lou(DFW) said …

87.Lou(DFW) said …

84.40 year A-hole said … “Chik-fil-A”

“Cue the sock-puppet fluffers.”

88.Bozo said … The Chicken war…

91.Has-Ben said … the Chicken king

Next 40 year A-hole fluffer please…

on 31 Jul 2012 at 2:16 am 93.Lou(DFW) said …

31 Jul 2012 at 1:23 am 91.Ben said … Good point on the homosexual agenda.

08 Apr 2011 at 7:55 pm 76.Horatiio said …

Ben

A good point on the ACLU and the 1st amendment.

on 14 Nov 2010 at 1:01 am 4.Rostam said … Good point by Hor.

on 02 Aug 2011 at 3:07 am 178.Swede said … Well, good point Horatio.

on 22 Mar 2010 at 10:24 pm 16.Burebista said … Good point on Cathy however.

on 25 Apr 2010 at 4:53 pm 79.Horatio said … Good point however –

10 Jul 2012 at 4:33 am 8.Curmudgeon said … Lou made some good points

on 13 Jul 2012 at 6:23 pm 103.Prime said … Then another one comes in and says “Good point, OtherMe.” and adds more stupidity of the same kind to the fray.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 2:25 am 94.40 year Atheist said …

“Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as “bad luck.”

Robert A. Heinlein

It’s now known as “you didn’t build that”.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 2:34 am 95.Martin said …

from WSJ online

The Presidential election has a long way to go, but the line of the year so far is President Obama’s on Friday: “You didn’t build that.” Rarely do politicians so clearly reveal their core beliefs.

Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama delivered another paean to the virtues of higher taxes on the people he believes deserve to pay even more to the government. “There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans,” he observed, and many of them attribute their wealth and success to their own intelligence and hard work. But the self-made man is an illusion: “There are a lot of smart people out there,” he explained. “Let me tell you something—there are a whole bunch of hard-working people out there.

“If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help,” he continued. “There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

This burst of ideological candor is already resonating like nothing else Mr. Obama’s said in years. The Internet is awash with images of the President telling the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs and other innovators they didn’t build that. Kevin Costner’s famous line in “Field of Dreams,” as adapted for Mr. Obama: “If you build it, we’ll still say you didn’t really build it.”

Beneath the satire is the serious point that Mr. Obama’s homily is the soul of his campaign message. The President who says he wants to be transformational may be succeeding—and subordinating to government the individual enterprise and risk-taking that underlies prosperity. The question is whether this is the America that most Americans want to build.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 5:34 am 96.Severin said …

Martin et al.,

We debate here about god, not about American politics.
I am not interested in taxes in the USA.

I am interested to see your evidences that god exists.
You are obviously unable to stay consistent, and in lack of adequate words you wander around exposing bullshits that have nothing to do with god, to try to turn our attention to other topics.

The right question for you to think about, and maybe also to answer it, is: which god answers the prayers of Muslims, Jews, … ?
Which god saves the lives of Muslims and Jews in situations similar to one in which Petra was “saved” by Christian god?

on 31 Jul 2012 at 11:26 am 97.Lou(DFW) said …

96.Severin said …

“We debate here about god, not about American politics.”

Debate? They simply cut and paste off-topic editorials. That is when you know theists don’t have any evidence for their delusion about god.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 11:36 am 98.A said …

40Year, “This is known as “bad luck.”

I would say it is called jealousy, covetousness or as our Prez likes it, Class warfare.

The court, in upholding this guy’s conviction, even said that he had a “delusional religious belief” that god spoke to him. I think everyone would agree that people who say god “told them” to kill sinners are, in fact, insane. But at the same time, we have no problem believing god told Abraham to kill his son, or god told Noah to build an Ark, or that god instructed Moses to kill Canaanites?

on 31 Jul 2012 at 1:10 pm 100.Lou(DFW) said …

98.ASStrophysicist et al., whined …

“I would say it is called jealousy, covetousness or as our Prez likes it, Class warfare.”

Who cares what you would say?

Translation:

“Boo-hoo-hoo, my imaginary god isn’t real, so I will whine about the President on a blog that’s not about politics because if I can’t support my god delusion with actual evidence, then I will attack those whom I mistakenly perceive to be left-wing liberals because they don’t share my delusion.”

on 31 Jul 2012 at 1:57 pm 101.Anonymous said …

What’s also telling is 40Yasshole’s hypocrisy and double standards.

On his vanity page, he’s ban-happy. Once you challenge him to stop blathering on about nothing and prove his point, he’ll ban you for not adhering to *his* agenda. Here’s he’s happy to intrude into any post and dump on us his recycled and irrelevant garbage. Then, of course, he runs away so as to not have to address the obvious criticism that he’s off his rocker. So, not just an irrelevant fool, but a two-faced one to boot.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 6:33 pm 102.A said …

Anonymous

Good you are back. You failed to answer these questions. Remember, part of your argument is you don’t know which God is real therefore there exists no God. So a little demonstration for you.

Since that is your game tell me which of the over 100 Big Bang models you believe? With your lack of logic unless we can point to the one true model, Big Bang cannot be real.

Which evolutionary process for man do you acknowledge? Unless you can point to the correct one with absolute certainty, it cannot be true.

Don’t be a hater just because because 40ya possesses twice the IQ as you.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 6:43 pm 103.Severin said …

101 Anonimous
(about 40YA)
“Then, of course, he runs away …”

Ignore him!
I don’t even read his bullshits any more.

Other theists here are stupid, uninformed, delusional, … (liars), but do not pretend to know much.

That one addresses to us like we are shit and he is an Einstein.
So, let him drown in his own shit alone.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 7:01 pm 104.Biff said …

“Leftist interim feints are temporary; the Hegelian antithesis is always in play and the Left will not stop at the current synthesis with homosexuals.”

40 Year Atheist, it has been years since I have heard this reference to Hegel. Hegel actually used the comparison once and attributed this terminology to Kant. But Marx and Engels can be credited with popularity of the triad.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 7:08 pm 105.Severin said …

102 A

O.K., for the sake of debate, let’s say that both, the b.b. and the evolution theories, are bullshits.

HOW DOES IT PROVE EXISTENCE OF GOD?
By the “logic”: if a theory does not work, it must be god?
Why not another theory that will come closer to solution of the problem?
Like, for example diseases: the first “theory” which people used as explanation for diseases was “god’s punishment”, and it kept “valid” for millenniums. Then, suddenly, it became the question of keeping hands clean (figuratively speaking), and only idiots continued to connect diseases with gods.

“Remember, part of your argument is you don’t know which God is real therefore there exists no God.”

Show us where that’s part of his argument. Unless you do, that makes you a liar.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 7:50 pm 107.Lou(DFW) said …

84.Severin said to ASStrophysicist…

“Are those gods that are answering prayers to Jews and Muslims competition gods to Christian god? Maybe also: Does MY god answers prayers to Muslims and Jews?
What, the hell, is going on?”

So, ASS, “Good you are back. You failed to answer these questions.”

Big Bang is irrelevant to the discussion. Big Bang doesn’t prove or disprove the existence of your imaginary god. But your inability and refusal to stay on topic IS indicative of the weakness of your position that god exists.

on 31 Jul 2012 at 8:05 pm 108.Lou(DFW) said …

104.Biff biffed …

“Hegel actually used the comparison once and attributed this terminology to Kant. But Marx and Engels can be credited with popularity of the triad.”

Wikipedia said:

“Hegel used this classification only once, and he attributed the terminology to Immanuel Kant.”

“The triad is often said to have been extended and adopted by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels…”

AREN’T YOU SMART, Biff!

on 01 Aug 2012 at 1:06 am 109.Asher said …

“Are those gods that are answering prayers to Jews and Muslims competition gods to Christian god?”

How do you know they answer prayers Severin?

“Does MY god answers prayers to Muslims and Jews?”

Maybe, are they asking prayers to MY god?

on 01 Aug 2012 at 1:27 am 110.MrQ said …

Gentlemen and ladies,
Notice that the thread has been de-railed. Let’s agree that the present and previous US presidents have been complete disasters.
Moving on, how do we get back to a discussion of “god’s plan” ?

It might be difficult. After all the theists here use the bible as evidence of god and probably use a comic book as evidence of Spiderman.

In exactly the same way that we “know” that yours does – they claim as much. But exactly as it is with your god, there’s no evidence that their prayers are answered by theirs god.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 5:41 am 113.Severin said …

109 Asher
“How do you know they answer prayers Severin?”

Because Muslims say so.
I’ve heard it really many times directly from Muslims.
I already exposed my direct experiences from talking with Muslims: they DO prey Allah, and they DO believe Allah (not Christian god) answers their prayers.
However, they have EXACTLY the same problem with prayers that Christians have: sometimes Allah gives them what they prayed for, sometimes he gives it later, and sometime he “says NO”.

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifications-about-islam/134310726-if-allah-does-not-answer-your-prayers-what-does-mean.html
Question:
„If Allah does not answer your prayers, what does that mean?”
Answer:
„If you ask for something and you don’t get what you specifically asked for, it doesn’t necessarily mean Allaah didn’t accept your du’a. It’s possible that Allaah replaces iswith something far better than what you made du’a for Allaah does for us or gives us whatever is good for us…what we think we need may not be good for us while what we don’t like is good for us…and it’s also possible Allaah will grant you what you asked for..later and not now. So yes I guess you could say that..Allaah knows us better than ourselves, so Allaah knows better what we need…hope that makes sense :/“ (same bullshits as in Christian sites)

So, WHO, in fact, answers prayers of Muslims?
They obviously do not pray to Christian god, unless his name is Allah.

WHO ANSWERS THEIR PRAYERS?

on 01 Aug 2012 at 6:11 am 115.Severin said …

Asher et al.

Internet is full of “testimonies” about how Allah saves lives.
I also heard such stories directly from Muslims.

I thought saving lives was reserved for Christian god, but it obviously wasn’t.

WHICH GOD is saving lives of Muslims?

You can’t just say that were only coincidences.

Or, maybe you can?!

on 01 Aug 2012 at 11:42 am 116.Moss said …

“WHO ANSWERS THEIR PRAYERS?”

I dunno, who?

Could be lies
Could be coincidences
Could be the one and only God Jehovah

God hasn’t told me why everything happens.

How does this disprove God?

on 01 Aug 2012 at 12:06 pm 117.Lou(DFW) said …

106.Lou(DFW) said …

102.ASStrophysicist said …

“Remember, part of your argument is you don’t know which God is real therefore there exists no God.”

“Show us where that’s part of his argument. Unless you do, that makes you a liar.”

Still unanswered.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 12:08 pm 118.Lou(DFW) said …

107.Lou(DFW) said …

84.Severin said to ASStrophysicist…

“Are those gods that are answering prayers to Jews and Muslims competition gods to Christian god? Maybe also: Does MY god answers prayers to Muslims and Jews?
What, the hell, is going on?”

So, ASS, “Good you are back. You failed to answer these questions.”

Still unanswered.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 12:09 pm 119.Lou(DFW) said …

116.Moss said …

“How does this disprove God?”

It doesn’t. Please show us who claimed that it did.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 3:30 pm 120.Severin said …

116 Moss
“How does this disprove God?”

It doesn’t. I am never trying to disprove existence of god.
It is YOU who have to prove that god exists, but YOUR “answers” (“I dunno”) disproves the NEED for a god, aren’t you aware of that?

If Allah answering prayers to Muslims is coincidence (which, observing statistically, happens at the SAME RATE to Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Jews, …!), it AUTOMATICALLY abolishes the need for a god. God becomes unnecessary. Prayers become wasting of time.
You get something, or you don’t get it, or you get it later, whatever you are or whatever you do.

If Muslims “lie”, how do we know that Christians don’t lie?
A Muslim I personally know told me: my mother and I prayed to Allah to give me a good job, and I got it.
Another Muslim told me he prayed to god Allah to spare his father’s life after he fell from a horse and broke his backbone (playing polo). The man survived.
WHERE IS THE LIE, please? They DID pray, and DID get what they prayed for.
If THOSE are coincidences, how the hell we know that EXACTLY THE SAME EVENTS, when happen to Christians, are not coincidences, but “god’s hand”?

If YOUR god (THE ONE AND ONLY GOD JEHOVAH) answers the prayers of Muslims (who address their prayers to a competitive god, and, in fact, DENY your god), as you suggest, what idiotic god your JEHOVAH is?

Something smells badly in your answer.
It has absolutely no rational skeleton.
It is totally illogical and unacceptable.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 8:57 pm 121.Moss said …

“It is YOU who have to prove that god exists”

Why am I required to prove God to you?

“If Muslims “lie”, how do we know that Christians don’t lie?”

What does this have to do with God’s existence?

“It is totally illogical and unacceptable.”

What did I claim that you find unacceptable? Further, to be unacceptable you would need to prove to me you have the credentials to make such a decision.

on 01 Aug 2012 at 9:33 pm 122.Lou(DFW) said …

121.Moss said …

“Further, to be unacceptable you would need to prove to me you have the credentials to make such a decision.”

Yes, Sev, please produce your “credentials.” For example, I want to see your “credentials” before you decide whether or not Santa Claus exists.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 6:51 am 123.Severin said …

Moss,
I found your “questions”, and as always, I will answer them:
“Why am I required to prove God to you?”
Because YOU came to an atheist blog claiming that there was a god.
If you only SAY
it, that is the same bullshit as when someone says there is Allah, Ra, Santa, …
What about a pink teapot or spaghetti monster? If I say they exist and THEY created universe, will you not require some evidences from me?
So, if you want to stay on the position that god exists, please support your claims with some evidences.
NOT Bible, please! There are many books and stones much older than Bible, that claim things, but do not prove a shit.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 7:25 am 124.Severin said …

Moss, cnt.
““If Muslims “lie”, how do we know that Christians don’t lie?”
What does this have to do with God’s existence?”

Nothing!
I only wanted to stress that IF there is a god, or gods WHO ANSWER PRAYERS, something is very wrong with him/them. Especially with YOUR god, if he answers the prayers of Muslims, as you suggested as possibility.
If he (your god) does not, someone else obviously DOES! Because Muslims have exactly as many “proofs” about Allah answering THEIR prayers, as Christians have for THEIR god. Even the “METHODS” of answering prayers are same (“yes, no, later”).
Another god?
Army of gods?
Coincidences?

If you offer coincidences as a solution of Allah answering Muslim prayers, you have to explain why Christian god answering Christian prayers are NOT coincidences, which I DO claim (do not confuse it with existence or non-existence of god “en general”). Quantity, quality and methods of answered prayers are the same, but in one case those are coincidences, and in other case it is the will of a god.
THAT is, of course, pure bullshit, unless YOU have better explanation.
That looks like children arguing about whose father brakes stronger winds.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 7:49 am 125.Severin said …

Moss et al.
So, I do not believe there is a god, but do not exclude such a possibility.

Existence of SPECIFIC gods, such as Ra, Zeus, Allah, Christian god, with attributes given to them by human beings, are contradictory, and CAN NOT EXIST (because they are contradictory!).
Maybe there is a god, but it CAN NOT BE a god as described in Bible, Koran, Egyptian stones, Aztec stones, …
It CAN NOT BE a god who peeps over my shoulder when I have sex, who let children die, who orders exterminations, who DOES extermination, who challenges people’s faith by ordering them to slaughter their children, who supports slavery, who supports religion wars, who orders pulling hearts from people, who sometimes answer prayers and sometimes not, … finally, who has no better idea than to make a living creature from dirt.

So, I can say: MAYBE there is a god, but SUCH gods (as described above) are contradictio in adjecto.

Which makes all human religions delusional.

IF there is a “higher force”, it has nothing to do with ANYTHING human beings invented and called “god”.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 7:58 am 126.Severin said …

Can the guy who killed people in Aurora avoid to go to hell?
I was told once, when I was about 8 or 9, by a priest, that, if I burn a house and somebody dies in the house, then I repent and ask god to forgive me, maybe I will go to prison, but NOT to hell!

How can exist gods who reward evil?

on 02 Aug 2012 at 11:41 am 127.Biff said …

“I repent and ask god to forgive me, maybe I will go to prison, but NOT to hell!”

You have never been repentant and therefore do not understand.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 1:08 pm 128.Lou(DFW) said …

127.Biff biffed …

“I repent and ask god to forgive me, maybe I will go to prison, but NOT to hell!”

“You have never been repentant and therefore do not understand.”

Nor did he burn down a house and kill someone.

This is the question that you did not answer and attempted to avoid with your comment:

Does god allow “evil” people into heaven? If a person performs an “evil” act, does god allow him into heaven if he is “repentant?”

on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:42 pm 129.A said …

“So, I do not believe there is a god, but do not exclude such a possibility.”

Oops, we now have a problem. Louie declares he knows 100% certain there is no God. Now who do we believe?

Biff,

Make Louie define repentant. One of the funniest thing is to watch Louie/DPK use words and they have no idea what they mean.

on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:45 pm 130.A said …

“Nor did he burn down a house and kill someone.”

Very poor sentence structure for one who whines about it so often. Nevertheless, how do you know he didn’t burn down a house?

What is this stupid comment on a blog about God? :)

on 02 Aug 2012 at 8:57 pm 131.Lou(DFW) said …

129.ASStrophysicist said …

“Oops, we now have a problem. Louie declares he knows 100% certain there is no God. Now who do we believe?”

You “believe” the evidence, not simply what someone else believes – unless you’re a deluded theist.

“Make Louie define repentant. One of the funniest thing is to watch Louie/DPK use words and they have no idea what they mean.”

Biff, make ASS answer any of the many questions about his comments that he never answers, but rather posts more idiotic comments like this one that in no way contribute to the discussion. It should be very simple for you unless your split-personality is a true psychological disorder.

By the way “Biff,” you never answered:

Does god allow “evil” people into heaven? If a person performs an “evil” act, does god allow him into heaven if he is “repentant?”

You won’t, because then you would paint yourself into a corner.

“What is this stupid comment on a blog about God?”

I have no idea why you’re here doing that other than to troll.

on 12 Aug 2012 at 7:41 pm 132.Steve said …

I love this. What a hate fest. You truly have earned each others’s company, saying things here you would never dare to say to each other in person. You know your teeth would be forfeit.

When guys like 40Year Atheist come along and inject a bit of reason, it’s like stoking the fire and watching you human vermin flop and screech. You are vastly entertaining and are living examples of why I do not worship ‘Nothing’.

And yes, I would cheerfully say that to your faces, you great cowards. It’s said the doors of Hell are locked from the inside. Stopping by here, I can see why that might be so. You actually *like* doing this to each other.

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