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Thursday, February 22, 2018

Ask Fr. Kramer: Pope Benedict XVI vs material schism

Ask Fr. Kramer: Pope Benedict XVI vs material schism

Recent email sent to me answered by Fr. Kramer

Laudetur Iesus Christus!

Dear Mr. Gajewski,

I am Michael Bogucki (Michał in Polish). I have followed the line of
H.E. archbishop Marcel Lefebvre for several years and know personally
two priests of the Resistance (Fr. Roland de Merode and Fr. Martin
Fuchs). I would like to ask a help from You on a issue which also may be
interesting for many other people.

I am firmly convinced that the resignation of His Holiness Benedict XVI
was invalid due to the reasons explained by both Fr. Paul Kramer and Fr.
Nicholas Gruner. It logically follows that the traditional priests who
does not recognize Him (i.e. H.H. Benedict XVI) as the current valid
pope are in objective error. I know that You are in close contact with
Fr. Paul Kramer (since I have no possibility to contact Him directly)
and probably could consult Him on below mentioned points:
1. whether these priests are in material schism;
2. is it allowed to participate in Holy Masses which are said by them (with Francis mentioned as the pope);
3. is it allowed to go to confession to them;
4. is it allowed, to go to confession to other priests (Novus Ordo, FSSPX) who also recognise Francis as the pope.

As far as I know, in case of an extremal necessity, one can ask for
confession even a heretical priest, but below I put a quotation which
concerns similiar issue and have raised my attention. It is taken from:
Denzinger, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, Preserving Christian
Publications, Boonville, New York 2009, Translated by Roy J. Deferrari
from The Thirtieth Edition of Henry Denzinger's "Enchiridion
Symbolorum", page 561, no. 2181a

"On Dying and Dead Schismatics
[Reply of the Holy Office to various local ordinaries, May 17, 1916]

I. Whether when material schismatics at the point of death, in good
faith seek either absolution or extreme unction, these sacraments can be
conferred on them without their renouncing errors? - Reply: In the
negative, but that it be required that they reject errors as best they
can, and make a profession of faith.

II. Whether absolution and extreme unction can be conferred on
shismatics at the point of death when unconscious? - Reply:
Conditionally, in the affirmative, especially if from additional
circumstances it can be conjectured that they at least implicitly reject
their errors, yet effectually removing scandal, at least by manifesting
to bystanders that they accept the Church and have returned at the last
moment to unity.

The quoted rulings on schismatics do not refer to Catholics in
objective error of fact (like SSPX priests), but those who are properly
in material schism, such as those who in good faith belong to an
Orthodox Church that does not recognize the Roman Pontiff. Schism is
properly the act of refusal to be subject to the pope. It is not the act
of not knowing who is the true pope and mistakenly believing that a
false claimant is the pope; although that would in a broader sense of
the word also constitute material schism. Unless the priests have been
excommunicated by name (by legitimate authority), or have openly
renounced the Church, Canon Law allows the faithful to attend their
Masses and receive their sacraments. When Conciliar Rome formally goes
into heresy & schism, then it will be forbidden to have any communicatio in sacris with them.

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St. Bernard:

Go forth confidently then, you knights, and repel the foes of the cross of Christ with a stalwart heart. Know that neither death nor life can separate you from the love of God which is in Jesus Christ, and in every peril repeat, "Whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's." What a glory to return in victory from such a battle! How blessed to die there as a martyr! Rejoice, brave athlete, if you live and conquer in the Lord; but glory and exult even more if you die and join your Lord. Life indeed is a fruitful thing and victory is glorious, but a holy death is more important than either. If they are blessed who die in the Lord, how much more are they who die for the Lord!

How secure, I say, is life when death is anticipated without fear; or rather when it is desired with feeling and embraced with reverence! How holy and secure this knighthood and how entirely free of the double risk run by those men who fight not for Christ! Whenever you go forth, O worldly warrior, you must fear lest the bodily death of your foe should mean your own spiritual death, or lest perhaps your body and soul together should be slain by him.

Indeed, danger or victory for a Christian depends on the dispositions of his heart and not on the fortunes of war. If he fights for a good reason, the issue of his fight can never be evil; and likewise the results can never be considered good if the reason were evil and the intentions perverse. If you happen to be killed while you are seeking only to kill another, you die a murderer. If you succeed, and by your will to overcome and to conquer you perchance kill a man, you live a murderer. Now it will not do to be a murderer, living or dead, victorious or vanquished. What an unhappy victory--to have conquered a man while yielding to vice, and to indulge in an empty glory at his fall when wrath and pride have gotten the better of you!

But what of those who kill neither in the heat of revenge nor in the swelling of pride, but simply in order to save themselves? Even this sort of victory I would not call good, since bodily death is really a lesser evil than spiritual death. The soul need not die when the body does. No, it is the soul which sins that shall die.

The knight of Christ, I say, may strike with confidence and die yet more confidently, for he serves Christ when he strikes, and serves himself when he falls. Neither does he bear the sword in vain, for he is God's minister, for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of the good. If he kills an evildoer, he is not a mankiller, but, if I may so put it, a killer of evil. He is evidently the avenger of Christ towards evildoers and he is rightly considered a defender of Christians. Should he be killed himself, we know that he has not perished, but has come safely into port.

Once he finds himself in the thick of battle, this knight sets aside his previous gentleness, as if to say, "Do I not hate those who hate you, O Lord; am I not disgusted with your enemies?" These men at once fall violently upon the foe, regarding them as so many sheep. No matter how outnumbered they are, they never regard these as fierce barbarians or as awe-inspiring hordes. Nor do they presume on their own strength, but trust in the Lord of armies to grant them the victory.

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Saint Athanasius

"May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith?The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle – the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ..."You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day. "Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."