When I saw Warbringer, their drummer had just broken his arm a few days ago, so one of their guitarists played drums (he wasn't the best, but it was still alright). A not-so-good drummer and only one guitar and they still slayed live.

The Exodus tour, I remember that. Were you at the KC show?

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Darkthrone was pretty nasty to Dag Nilson when they decided to switch from Death Metal to Black Metal. They basically called him a death metal trendy who showed up to record A Blaze in the Northern Sky with a giant DM Bass Rig, wanting to lay down technical death metal bass riffs and they said, "Hey you plug into this here piece of shit amp and you play stripped down BM" or go home. Dag stuck it out.

After recording, Dag quit the band and only got credited as a session musician. Fenrez basically called him a poser wimp for not liking the switch to BM.

On a side note, I understand the reason why these guys switched to Black Metal, but never dug the hatred the early Norwegians, following Euronymous' example, poured out onto the death metal guys. Nicke Anderson of Entombed said it best in Swedish Death Metal, "One minute Darkthrone was like our best friends partying with us, needing our help to record Soulside Journey, then the next they treated us like enemies for no reason." And what was up with all of the BM guys mouthing off that DM metal bands were all running around in jogging suits? I never saw this, did anyone else?

Well, I am sure it's over exaggerated, but I DID see Grave play live at the Corona Showcase theater back in 1996 (it may have been one of the VERY first shows I ever went to) and the guys in Grave had jogging suits and soccer jerseys on. I was like, is Korn playing, or is Grave playing?

Sorry to sound like a d-bag here, but could it be, perhaps, that they wore jogging suits because they're comfortable? Does the assumption immediately have to be "sell out" or that they are betraying metal in some way by dressing a certain style?

When I saw Warbringer, their drummer had just broken his arm a few days ago, so one of their guitarists played drums (he wasn't the best, but it was still alright). A not-so-good drummer and only one guitar and they still slayed live.

Ouch, I opened for them once, drummer was so laid back and cool. Talked with him for a while I recall..

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8) Trey and David of Morbid Angel. Back in the 90s they ripped on other bands for being clones and unoriginal. I even remember Trey calling out Chuck of Death for writing music with no depth.

Yes, he still does I believe. They hate the new shit so much that they had to try it themselves lol But Trey kind of indirectly stated in an interview that he didn't like bands that sing about sticking dildos in their asses lol (porno brutal deathgrind bands) and that it is just plain shit. True that.

When I saw Warbringer, their drummer had just broken his arm a few days ago, so one of their guitarists played drums (he wasn't the best, but it was still alright). A not-so-good drummer and only one guitar and they still slayed live.

Sorry to sound like a d-bag here, but could it be, perhaps, that they wore jogging suits because they're comfortable? Does the assumption immediately have to be "sell out" or that they are betraying metal in some way by dressing a certain style?

Yep they are comfortable, so are pajamas but I can't wear them to work so a metal band shouldn't wear jogging suits on stage.

Sorry to sound like a d-bag here, but could it be, perhaps, that they wore jogging suits because they're comfortable? Does the assumption immediately have to be "sell out" or that they are betraying metal in some way by dressing a certain style?

Yep they are comfortable, so are pajamas but I can't wear them to work so a metal band shouldn't wear jogging suits on stage.

loooooooooooool, I love the idea that metal bands have a dress code to meet like its a real job and not guys performing art for practically no money while living out of a van. Next time I go to a show I should wear a sportcoat with patches on the elbows and shit.

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loooooooooooool, I love the idea that metal bands have a dress code to meet like its a real job and not guys performing art for practically no money while living out of a van. Next time I go to a show I should wear a sportcoat with patches on the elbows and shit.

I had a vague recollection of reading something about Joey DeMaio and King Diamond having some kind of disagreement; there was the usual sort of verbal sparring in the press. I remember reading an interview with King Diamond in "Metal Mania" (or one of those 80's mags from that era) where he was not very gracious towards Manowar, although he didnt elaborate as to what exactly went down.

Dave Mustaine: Who? You mean the guys who are ripping off our drum riser and stage moves, and copying all of Metallica's sounds, and singing like James?

Scott Ian: And with dance steps laid out on the stage on how to have stage presence. But we didn't mention the name, you did.

Dave Mustaine: Guitar World called them "the Lennon & McCartney of thrash," but aren't they more like Simon and Garfunkel?

Scott Ian: All I have to say is: where would they be without these three bands (Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer) and Metallica? I just find Testament too hard to even take seriously. Whatever they do, I suppose they do it well, but it just isn't them. Every time you hear them on the radio, you think Metallica.

Jeff Hanneman: I heard them on the radio the other day and I could have sworn it was Metallica.

I like how they forgot to mention that they were all just jealous because Alex Skolnick is 3 times the guitarist any of those guys will ever be. Also, is it just me or does Testament not really sound that much like Metallica? Yeah there are some similarities, but especially earlier on they were definitely more dark and aggressive sounding.

I like how they forgot to mention that they were all just jealous because Alex Skolnick is 3 times the guitarist any of those guys will ever be. Also, is it just me or does Testament not really sound that much like Metallica? Yeah there are some similarities, but especially earlier on they were definitely more dark and aggressive sounding.

I wouldn't say He's better then Mustaine or the other top tier Megadeth guitarists, but yeah he is better then those other guys. I do hear a bit of Metallica in there but it's nowhere near as obvious/Worship like bands such as Trivium.

There's no question Testament took a lot from Metallica's style. Doesn't make them bad. If you're gonna copy a band from that era, Metallica's a very good choice assuming you can pull it off. Ultimately I doubt any of them were rather jealous re: Testament regarding anything, which is why they were 3/4 of the Big 4 and Testament is merely another thrash band to the majority.

_________________"It's not some safe thing like Fugazi where everyone sits down and eats their tofu and goes 'wow man, that's revolutionary' " - Jerry A of Poison Idea

Good God, don't even try to claim Mustaine is better than Skolnick. Personal preference? Okay, I totally get it. But at the end of the day, Skolnick slays all of those guys without even trying. He's on an entirely different level and I'd love to see them try to comprehend the fusion licks he pulls out of his ass in a live setting. As far as the comparisons to top tier Megadeth lead players? Skolnick's in their league. When you get that good, it no longer becomes a matter of who is better.

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Good God, don't even try to claim Mustaine is better than Skolnick. Personal preference? Okay, I totally get it. But at the end of the day, Skolnick slays all of those guys without even trying. He's on an entirely different level and I'd love to see them try to comprehend the fusion licks he pulls out of his ass in a live setting. As far as the comparisons to top tier Megadeth lead players? Skolnick's in their league. When you get that good, it no longer becomes a matter of who is better.

In terms of their Metal work he is. Although I forgot he has projects outside of Testament in the Jazz Fusion vein so maybe I spoke out of turn...

I had a vague recollection of reading something about Joey DeMaio and King Diamond having some kind of disagreement; there was the usual sort of verbal sparring in the press. I remember reading an interview with King Diamond in "Metal Mania" (or one of those 80's mags from that era) where he was not very gracious towards Manowar, although he didnt elaborate as to what exactly went down.

Ten years ago or so I read of something similar. It was very possibly way over exaggerated, but something along the lines of manowar transporting some gear for king diamond or MF(cant remember which) and they lazily just tied the gear to the top of the bus, resulting in equipment falling/getting damaged. Basically King Diamond was extremely pissed, and put curse on joey demaio. The story always makes me laugh, but I doubt anything to this extent ever occured.

Instead of just adding a old myth/rumor to this thread, In the summer of 2003 I was in colorado, I was hanging out with martin lopez (ex-opeth drummer) during the day before their show. He mentioned Dream Theater, how he doesn't like them, how they're full of themselves, and mentioned when they crossed paths at some festival or something, he viewed james labrie as some snobbish whiny crybaby making him dislike them even more.

I do think Skolnick had more technical ability than any of the other guitarists on that tour, even more than Mustaine (although with Dave, it was close.) The other 3 BANDS however, were better. Technical ability does not always translate into writing memorable songs. I dont really know why those bands would talk shit about Testament (maybe they were just talking out of their ass being drunk or something?) since regardless of ability, all three were far more successful than Testament ever was. Testament just seemed to burn out (creatively speaking) after only two albums, and even their second one really wasn't all that great. I remember reading somewhere that there was an age gap between the bands too. I think Skolnick was barely 18 when their first album came out, while the other bands were already in thier mid to late 20's.

Geoff Tate on Eddie Trunk slammed Ozzy-era Sabbath calling it their worst line up and referring to them as "Black Suck".

Don't expect Geoff Tate and Queensryche to appreciate the slow crushing riffs and Ozzy's eternal lament tone of voice that made early Sabbath such a wow. They obviously preffered Black Sabbath after Dio took the reins and you can spot some influences from that era in their sound.The spacey part in "Heaven and Hell" with Tony's distant guitar for instance is a feature of many a Queensryche song. You can't expect Tate to even understand "Doom" as the 'Ryche's sound is severely devoid of any riffs that can be described as "slow and crushing"!

This. I found this to be the most insulting. Who does he think he is? Look who suddenly rediscovered his faith...

Also, there's a band called "Fuck Xasthur" from Germany. For all I know their music could be good, but I'm not going to listen to it. Not with titles like 'Disgruntled Sissies in Denial', 'Scott Conner Must Die' and 'Wrest We Forget'. Even the demo artwork is a red cross on a picture of Malefic. Its one thing to ridicule a subgenre (and while I like it I can see why some would ridicule it) and its another thing to form a band and make music dedicated to attacking individual USBM bands and members.

On Ralph Santolla and Deicide, I actually met him at a gig in Stockholm and had a shot of vodka with him. Really, really cool guy. I asked him about the feud with Glen and he basically said Glen is a piece of shit and a psychopath. If half of what Ralph said is true Glen really is an asshole.

I read that Iron Maiden lead singer said that he hated reality TV. And that during several gigs at Ozzfest, that Ozzy's entourage threw eggs and bottletops when they played live. Ozzy's wife threw a fit when Bruce stated his comments! He did not intend to insult the Osbournes on their reality TV show!

I read that Iron Maiden lead singer said that he hated reality TV. And that during several gigs at Ozzfest, that Ozzy's entourage threw eggs and bottletops when they played live. Ozzy's wife threw a fit when Bruce stated his comments! He did not intend to insult the Osbournes on their reality TV show!

I'm pretty sure he openly said Sharon Osbourne was a bitch and that their show was crappy, but she also went on stage and said Dickinson was a prick for his comments so who knows. Either way I side with Dickinson.

Scott Ian: And with dance steps laid out on the stage on how to have stage presence. But we didn't mention the name, you did.

Scott Ian: All I have to say is: where would they be without these three bands (Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer) and Metallica? I just find Testament too hard to even take seriously. Whatever they do, I suppose they do it well, but it just isn't them. Every time you hear them on the radio, you think Metallica.[/i]

Yeah, this just made me that much more excited to see the two of them play with Death Angel when they come to Indy on the 27th.

And at this point, isn't it pretty much common knowledge that Glen Benton is an asshole?

Benton claimed one of the Hoffmans (I can never remember which one is which) was on steroids, compare the band pics from the first album to Legion and the blonde guitar player is all fat and bloated, Glen claimed the other one was a total moron, etc. Funny shit. Watch that documentary dvd that came with the Scars Of The Crucifix album, all four of them seem a bit...dim.

Good God, don't even try to claim Mustaine is better than Skolnick. Personal preference? Okay, I totally get it. But at the end of the day, Skolnick slays all of those guys without even trying. He's on an entirely different level and I'd love to see them try to comprehend the fusion licks he pulls out of his ass in a live setting. As far as the comparisons to top tier Megadeth lead players? Skolnick's in their league. When you get that good, it no longer becomes a matter of who is better.

In terms of their Metal work he is. Although I forgot he has projects outside of Testament in the Jazz Fusion vein so maybe I spoke out of turn...

In terms of sheer skill and ability, Skolnick is the winner all day. IF you prefer Mustaine, that's fine. Mustaine has made more music that I enjoy, personally. But he's not anywhere near the player Skolnick is.

_________________"History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever."

Mike Muir (ST) slammed Rage Against the Machine (not metal) in interviews for being kids from wealthy families not knowing anything about any hardships in life now and having had their college education and cars paid through by their folks.. Now singing about revolution and pretending to 'fight the power'. That was about when RAtM were at their peak. Infectious Groove then released this song called "Do What I Tell Ya!" which made fun of RAtM's "Killing in the Name of".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8l2UtJ83I4

Many feuds between Ritchie Blackmore and Ian Gillan of Deep Puple (accepted as metal by this site):

Ian Gillan: "I'd rather slit my throat than work with Ritchie again". Then Gillan joined Purple again, and worked with Ritchie again.

Ritchie Blackmore on Ian Gillan (recently): "Ian did a wonderful thing with his voice on Highway Star. He could sing then."

David Coverdale on Deep Purple (1989): "I wonder who their singer is this week ?"

Travis Ryan really doesn't like Dave Astor. At all. When I asked Josh about him, he was like "Yeah, none of us talk to him, we've just gone our separate ways and done our own things and left it at that.". Later that night, when a buddy and I were talking about Kevin Schwartz's playing in Pathology, Travis overheard our conversation and immediately interjected with "Fuck Pathology. Well, fuck Dave Astor. Pathology's okay, he's just lucky that he has that kid who's a good guitarist and songwriter playing for him.". I'm guessing that either a). Travis is the one who hates him and Josh is ambivalent about the whole thing, or b). both of them hate him and Josh is just a lot more tactful in regard to his words about it.

If you've ever read any interviews with Kam Lee, the guy's generally pretty nasty towards just about all of his former bandmates.

I know a couple people who've met Kam Lee, and they've all said the same thing about him: rude, abrasive, obnoxiously standoffish dick with a massive rockstar complex. This is just hearsay, but Jeremy Nissenbaum (Lecherous Nocturne's old drummer) apparently blew up at him when LN was playing with one of Lee's bands (might have been Bone Gnawer) and had to put up with Lee acting like an asshole all night and just generally pissing everyone off. I don't know what he said, but it was apparently something about how he had no right to act like a big shot when his greatest claim to fame was being the singer for a glorified garage band and how he was famous only because of other people's ideas and needed to quit taking credit for shit that he didn't create. Lee apparently responded by getting up, walking to a bouncer, and telling him to "get this fuckin' kid out of here before he gets his ass kicked", which only caused the bouncer to tell him to get fucked and that he was just as sick of his bullshit as everyone else was and that Nissenbaum just said what everyone was thinking. Once again, I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly lines up with everything else I've heard about Lee's behavior towards others.

Travis Ryan really doesn't like Dave Astor. At all. When I asked Josh about him, he was like "Yeah, none of us talk to him, we've just gone our separate ways and done our own things and left it at that.". Later that night, when a buddy and I were talking about Kevin Schwartz's playing in Pathology, Travis overheard our conversation and immediately interjected with "Fuck Pathology. Well, fuck Dave Astor. Pathology's okay, he's just lucky that he has that kid who's a good guitarist and songwriter playing for him.". I'm guessing that either a). Travis is the one who hates him and Josh is ambivalent about the whole thing, or b). both of them hate him and Josh is just a lot more tactful in regard to his words about it.

Yer I remember Travis mentioning Dave when I was hanging with those guys. Definitely doesn't like the guy lol

White Wizzard shitting on Holy Grail, and vice versa. WW's bassist, Jon Leon is pretty much the new Mustaine. Kicking out a band member every month and just starting shit. It kinda died down now, but it was still funny.

I've always seen Jon Leon as being the new Jon Schaffer. Where Iced Earth is more "Jon Shaffer and friends", White Wizzard is pretty much "Jon Lean on friends". Although the latter have the kind of line-up turnover which makes Spinal Tap seem stable... I may go to a White Wizzard show to see if their drummer spontaneously-combusts.