finacial concerns was head platters

updated wed 11 dec 02

artimater on tue 10 dec 02

Lili wrote:
If we have
promoted ourselves from "mere" craftsmen to "real" artists, all =
financial
considerations should not apply.

And Tony wrote:
I have
found that great artists make art, regardless of the material, not =
product
and are not concerned with trends or what's in.

That's all pretty tidy huh?....First you get an idea then you turn it =
into a reality...It is hard to make an artistic statement if the idea =
never leaves one's head....To turn it into a reality you will need =
materials....So you go get the materials that are the most suited to the =
project....If you thought that material would be a thousand rubys....you =
may have to settle for red glass. but you make it the best glass you can =
get your hands on...If all you have is a chalk rock and a sidewalk to =
execute the idea, then you use a chalk rock on a sidewalk....You decide =
which rock most conveys the idea....If you have two rocks and one works =
better than the other one that is the one you use....You use the best of =
whatever you can get to do the project......
When you have done the best you can do with the best you can get =
you should then end up with a product....Now, Money will help you get =
more appropriate materials for your project(it will also make your =
morning trip to the throne more interesting)......That is of finacial =
concern to an artist.....Mebbe I'm just funny that way but I think an =
artist deserves compensation for his product just as much as a (insert =
human endevour)..........The product of an artist is liable to be =
infused with great thought and spirit and value....Any product produced =
without art is lacking in all those qualities....Those products are made =
purely for the money....
The problem arrises when Lili says we are not allowed to even =
participate in the renumeration of the artless....This is how artists =
are exploited....This is why they are called "starving"....This is why =
so many ARE starving....It's almost as if the world expects us to =
apologize for creating product of meaning and beauty....I think alot of =
the problem stems from pure green eyed jealousy...Those who can't create =
have to crap on the artists and try to minimize their =
contribution.....All their artless does not add up to anything of great =
meaning spirit or value....They usually control the money and they say, =
"Yes it's beautiful, but I will only give you a dog biscuit for =
it"....It is up to the artist to say, "I'm kinda partial to Italien =
food"....Far too many accept the dog biscuit...and a pat on the =
head....I'd rather stay hungry.....
PAX,
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of =
indulgences and snakes handy"
http://artimator.com
rush@artimator.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasceramics/
Artimator Galleries
2420 Briarwood Ln.
Carrollton, TX 75006
972-841-1857

Tony Ferguson on tue 10 dec 02

Hey Arti,

Duh we need materials--I meant that an artist uses whatever he or she needs
to make their statement--and obviously outside their head. Whether their
using rubes or shit glass--its how the artist puts it all together that
defines it as art or product.

Lili wrote:
If we have
promoted ourselves from "mere" craftsmen to "real" artists, all financial
considerations should not apply.

And Tony wrote:
I have
found that great artists make art, regardless of the material, not product
and are not concerned with trends or what's in.

That's all pretty tidy huh?....First you get an idea then you turn it into a
reality...It is hard to make an artistic statement if the idea never leaves
one's head....To turn it into a reality you will need materials....So you go
get the materials that are the most suited to the project....If you thought
that material would be a thousand rubys....you may have to settle for red
glass. but you make it the best glass you can get your hands on...If all you
have is a chalk rock and a sidewalk to execute the idea, then you use a
chalk rock on a sidewalk....You decide which rock most conveys the
idea....If you have two rocks and one works better than the other one that
is the one you use....You use the best of whatever you can get to do the
project......
When you have done the best you can do with the best you can get you
should then end up with a product....Now, Money will help you get more
appropriate materials for your project(it will also make your morning trip
to the throne more interesting)......That is of finacial concern to an
artist.....Mebbe I'm just funny that way but I think an artist deserves
compensation for his product just as much as a (insert human
endevour)..........The product of an artist is liable to be infused with
great thought and spirit and value....Any product produced without art is
lacking in all those qualities....Those products are made purely for the
money....
The problem arrises when Lili says we are not allowed to even
participate in the renumeration of the artless....This is how artists are
exploited....This is why they are called "starving"....This is why so many
ARE starving....It's almost as if the world expects us to apologize for
creating product of meaning and beauty....I think alot of the problem stems
from pure green eyed jealousy...Those who can't create have to crap on the
artists and try to minimize their contribution.....All their artless does
not add up to anything of great meaning spirit or value....They usually
control the money and they say, "Yes it's beautiful, but I will only give
you a dog biscuit for it"....It is up to the artist to say, "I'm kinda
partial to Italien food"....Far too many accept the dog biscuit...and a pat
on the head....I'd rather stay hungry.....
PAX,
Rush
"I only indulge when I've seen a snake, so I keep a supply of indulgences
and snakes handy"
http://artimator.com
rush@artimator.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/texasceramics/
Artimator Galleries
2420 Briarwood Ln.
Carrollton, TX 75006
972-841-1857