I agree! That's why I'm postponing buying a new Mac for as long as I can.

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I know it`s off topic and all that; i have been through many iterations of OS X, truth be told all. Mountain Lion is really not a bad OS by any means Apple just needs to do a little more work on multiple monitors. Lion yep not so good and Snow Leopard i do like and still run on older systems rock steady stable, equally ML offers the same on my systems.

I believe it`s a matter of adaption, once i adapted to the way the newer variants of OS X work i found that i could get through things a lot faster; typically six desktops and several spaces on my primary Late 2011 15" 2.4 i7 MBP, Retina more so. everyone`s workflow is different and some may not want to adapt. For me what i am losing with Snow Leopard, i feel am gaining far more with Mountain Lion and when i swap back to an older Mac the feeling is very apparent.

Apples not perfect and they do screw things up from time to time, however so far i am happy with ML`s progression, some things i don't care for like the social networks integration then again if you don't use them it`s not intrusive like many of the other additions.

I believe it`s a matter of adaption, once i adapted to the way the newer variants of OS X work i found that i could get through things a lot faster; typically six desktops and several spaces on my primary Late 2011 15" 2.4 i7 MBP, Retina more so. everyone`s workflow is different and some may not want to adapt. For me what i am losing with Snow Leopard, i feel am gaining far more with Mountain Lion and when i swap back to an older Mac the feeling is very apparent.

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Can you share how you adapted with Mission Control? I tried twice, once with Lion (for a week or two) and once with Mountain Lion (for a month), but I always reverted back, as Mission Control is just not for me and I haven't found a way to adapt to it. Even TotalSpaces can't help yet.

Of course, not everyone uses that many Spaces, but Mission Control seriously hampers the usefulness of more than four virtual desktops.

I have limited myself to nine desktops on both my Macs, and will try to narrow it down more, but the combination of showing all windows in all Spaces via two mouse button presses is just something I still cannot live without.

I agree! That's why I'm postponing buying a new Mac for as long as I can.

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Nice. I won't be in need of a new computer for a long time (hopefully) and I am anticipating on upgrading my 2010 MBP later on and using it for as long as I can. I'm running 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.

Lion and ML look great and all but something about SL makes it so different. I dislike all of the Facebook/Twitter integration type stuff on the new OS models, plus for the fact that I'm still making use of USB 2.0 and an optical drive. Hell, I still use Ethernet. Not that those things have to do with the OS, but the models are so different too.

Apple is leaving me behind, but they have to do what is most profitable of course.

Can you share how you adapted with Mission Control? I tried twice, once with Lion (for a week or two) and once with Mountain Lion (for a month), but I always reverted back, as Mission Control is just not for me and I haven't found a way to adapt to it. Even TotalSpaces can't help yet.

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Same as your good self i run a lot of desktops/spaces, i tend to leave many apps windows open so i can return to them to work or research. I don't allow ML to automatically arrange spaces on last use, so i know exactly what space runs which app and like SL i predetermine which space an app will run in. Anything windowed runs in a predetermined desktop anything fullscreen runs in a space.

At first with Lion in the early days i too was frustrated by Mission Control`s shall we say lack of visual cue`s as opposed to SL, all the same i stuck with it and as hard as it was to break away from what i was comfortable with in SL i stared to realise that i was moving faster with Lion; launching apps, switching between apps and or spaces, using more gestures. Only multiple displays being a significant issue, a complete pig in Lion and a "halfway house" in ML, i hope for more...

Right now i am running seven desktops and four spaces, all of which is navigable at high speed with ease. My set up is also likely to influence as i run two 15" MBP, Late 2011 with external monitor and Retina standalone. This setup allows me to run a tremendous number of spaces (easily 20+) and i am able to deal with them with ease thanks to ML, and Magic Trackpad`s as both notebooks are on Rain Designs Mstands.

Nice. I won't be in need of a new computer for a long time (hopefully) and I am anticipating on upgrading my 2010 MBP later on and using it for as long as I can. I'm running 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.

Lion and ML look great and all but something about SL makes it so different. I dislike all of the Facebook/Twitter integration type stuff on the new OS models, plus for the fact that I'm still making use of USB 2.0 and an optical drive. Hell, I still use Ethernet. Not that those things have to do with the OS, but the models are so different too.

Apple is leaving me behind, but they have to do what is most profitable of course.

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Yeah I know the feeling. That's like with Leopard on my G5. Compared to me using Lion/Mountain Lion on my Intel Macs.

Yeah I know the feeling. That's like with Leopard on my G5. Compared to me using Lion/Mountain Lion on my Intel Macs.

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For sure, that has to be more of a "complete" feeling as well - non-Intel Macs have been gone for a while now, I've only begun the feeling. It's a shame but it has to happen unfortunately.

I don't know what I will do in the future, I don't think I'll have a place with Apple laptops with all of the modernizing and such. I love my 2010 MBP though and will continue to use it for as long as I can. I'm just not the kind of person that has a need for anything that the new operating systems and models emphasize - things like the need for WiFi, social networking, syncing of devices, etc. I just have one Mac laptop - not a ton of devices like most - that I hook up to Ethernet, connect my USB 2.0 devices to, I am always using the optical drive, etc. I love it, and I want it to last as long as possible before I am completely dropped off.

But in the back of my mind I keep thinking "Lion and ML can't be nearly as bad as everyone says. I should probably upgrade. using SL is like sticking to Windows XP."

But I'm not so sure sometimes. All the new features in lion and ML seem to be for social media users and not for actual productivity. (As least according to the complainers.)

Basically, I can get a regular MBP 2012 and install SL from scratch, yes?

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No the hardware is significantly different between the 2011 and 2012 machines, as for the social media if you don't use it, then you will never see it and there is a lot more to ML than this. Personally i have no time to play about with the likes of Facebook and i am only interested in what the OS can delver for me i the way of productivity. i still have a Early 2008 15" MBP on Snow Leopard and it is now worlds away from Mountain Lion the newer OS is the better for those that can or are willing to adapt, not perfect mind.

For some Lion & Mountain Lion without a doubt will break their workflow, at first you feel that you have to make compromises, later you realise that the loss is far less than the gains. It`s all very much subjective and personal, what works for me may not work for you etc..

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