Wouldn't making the sale of those guns illegal reduce the number that is available for criminals to steal? Can you guarantee that once a law abiding gun owner has the gun, it will never fall into a criminals hands or that law abiding person turns violent?

If they don't have that particular gun in the first place....it can't be stolen, it can't be used to commit a crime, it can't be misused.

And that one, miniscule percentage, rare occurrence act....has been stopped.

Or....we can sit here and just hope it doesn't happen again.

Well, if they are law-abiding, yes I can guarantee it. At the point they transfer those guns illegally, they become criminals.

I do love the naivity of those who think a gun ban is going to do anything. It's been proven- gun bans do not stop gun violence.

We have gun laws running out of our ears, yet criminals still get them. Hell, our gov't gives them to the criminals at times (Fast and Furious)! How exactly is the gov't going to keep guns from coming into the country from Mexico, Canada, or anywhere else for that matter. They can't even keep illegal immigrants and drugs out of our borders.

Originally Posted by Bones42

How much big game is taken down with pistols?

Quite a bit, actually. Many people who hunt dangerous game will keep a sidearm on them as a back-up.

There are a lot of people who even hunt small game with pistols.

Not that it matters, as the SCOTUS and other federal courts have ruled handguns are protected by the Second Amendment. Illinois just learned that little lesson.

Yup, you guys are right. We need more guns. Heck, if everyone had one...there'd be no killings.

Well the fact that law abiding citizens weren't allowed guns in Chicago certainly didn't stop the murders there now did it?

Funny how little things like that get ignored. Illinois has no concealed carry and Chicago had and still has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and yet murders have been on the rise. How can that be? The anti-gunners say if we limit the amount of guns law abiing citizens can have gun crime and murders will go down. It seems that isn't always so.

I can't wait to see how you spin this one Bones...By the way, my statistics come right from the FBI. So I can prove what I am saying here.

Yup, you guys are right. We need more guns. Heck, if everyone had one...there'd be no killings.

So getting piszy because we're presenting you with facts, and then conceding that we're right in a facetious manner is the solution then, eh?

Catch covered it pretty well in his last post. Law abiding citizens don't use they're firearms for killings. And once they do, or contribute their firearms to such a heinous act, they are no longer law abiding citizens. And if you think that law abiding citizens willfully buying and handing over firearms to criminals is the problem, you're mistaken. Theft, black market sales, and like I stated before and Catch stated, if you're a Mexican drug cartel the US Gov. will hand you weapons. There's always going to be intentional murders and killings, with guns, regardless of the laws that are passed.

It's time to stop this ridiculousness, and get to the root of the issue. Mental health issues, and quite honestly, the **** poor parenting style that this society has adopted. (And that's coming from someone who grew up in the "**** poor parenting" age. Fortunately, I had parents (or a parent, could be debated lol) that knew how to keep me in line.

And again, looking at the FBI statistics, even with guns in the hands of essentially everyone, violent crime and gun related deaths are down over the last 20 years, so the guns obviously aren't the problem.

"A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

Well the fact that law abiding citizens weren't allowed guns in Chicago certainly didn't stop the murders there now did it?

Funny how little things like that get ignored. Illinois has no concealed carry and Chicago had and still has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and yet murders have been on the rise. How can that be? The anti-gunners say if we limit the amount of guns law abiing citizens can have gun crime and murders will go down. It seems that isn't always so.

I can't wait to see how you spin this one Bones...By the way, my statistics come right from the FBI. So I can prove what I am saying here.

I like your method of getting facts. Evidently Bones is using the method whereby if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. Standard liberal modus operandi.

Furthermore, this is another reason I'm so passionate about keeping my 2nd amendment rights, and not having them infringed in any manner. I've been holding onto this gem for a while, hoping someone would ask me "What, don't you trust the police to protect you?"

I don't have anything against members of Law Enforcement. Running fire and EMS in the same county now, I've made quite a few LEO friends.

However, on over 10 different occasions, the supreme court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you as an individual, and that it is YOUR responsibility to protect you and yours. LEO's have a duty to protect society has a whole, not you as an individual. That is your responsibility, and a right guaranteed to you by the 2nd amendment.

If I have multiple attackers come burglarize my house, or have a home invasion with multiple attackers happen, how well is a limited capacity magazine going to help me protect my family? It's not. End of discussion. SCOTUS has ruled that it's my responsibility to protect my family, and god dammit I'm going to do it.

"A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

So getting piszy because we're presenting you with facts, and then conceding that we're right in a facetious manner is the solution then, eh?

Catch covered it pretty well in his last post. Law abiding citizens don't use they're firearms for killings. And once they do, or contribute their firearms to such a heinous act, they are no longer law abiding citizens. And if you think that law abiding citizens willfully buying and handing over firearms to criminals is the problem, you're mistaken. Theft, black market sales, and like I stated before and Catch stated, if you're a Mexican drug cartel the US Gov. will hand you weapons. There's always going to be intentional murders and killings, with guns, regardless of the laws that are passed.

It's time to stop this ridiculousness, and get to the root of the issue. Mental health issues, and quite honestly, the **** poor parenting style that this society has adopted. (And that's coming from someone who grew up in the "**** poor parenting" age. Fortunately, I had parents (or a parent, could be debated lol) that knew how to keep me in line.

And again, looking at the FBI statistics, even with guns in the hands of essentially everyone, violent crime and gun related deaths are down over the last 20 years, so the guns obviously aren't the problem.

Kudos brother, I think you hit the biggest nail on the head. Bad parenting. Discipline. I didn't know what ADD or ADHD was..I was too busy walking around the woods, fishing, going to school, focusing on my schoolwork and dreaming about my adult life. I never had nice things, nice clothes, a nice car in school, but I never once thought about doing these things that these other kids did. Why? It's called knowing the difference between right and wrong. And I'm in your boat as well, my grandparents basically raised me, so that meant leather belts, and those wooden yardsticks..not depression pills, ADHD pills, and whatever else that doctors have no idea the long term side effects are.

I talk about having a firm foundation as far as training to be a firefighter..learn the basics and learn them well..then go and do all the other cool stuff.

the same can be said for parenting, and raising children. It is not a glamorous job, but neither is building that foundation of block and mortar..it is dirty, hard, and unappreciated..UNTIL the mansion that is built upon it is standing for 2 or 300 years.

I thank god that my grandparents instilled discipline in me, as a person, and discipline with firearms. I will be honored to do the same to my kid(s) 1 day, and I'm excited to know that there are others out there with the same belief system as mine.

Hunting with a handgun is becoming quite popular. I knew a guy, had a shoulder accident..Couldn't use a rifle or shotgun so he hunted with a handgun. Thompson and magnum research make a variety of rifle caliber handguns. While not as popular as the "sporting AR-type rifle" there are quite a few out there.