July 22, 2009

Two white men arrive in a taxi and knock down the locked front door of a house. A neighbor calls the police. A black policeman arrives and find an extremely agitated man who identifies himself, in between hurling abuse at the cop, as a resident of the house. The cop asks the man "If there is anyone else in the residence?" The man replies, "None of your business, you [bad word for black people]!"

What should the cop do?

Let's assume he goes away.

A few days later, a neighbor notices an unpleasant odor. The police get a search warrant and find the corpse of the agitated man's wife.

Would this become a massive feminist issue splashed all over CNN?

Good question. If the cop who walked away had been white, then, sure, of course it would be.

On the other hand, race usually trumps sex. Consider O.J. Simpson vs. Mark Furhman. When O.J. would beat up Nicole Simpson and she would dial 9-11, the responding cops' typical response over the years would typically be along the lines of "Hey, it's The Juice! Can we get a picture of you and us and your Heisman? Do the Heisman pose!" The one cop out of the many who came by their place on Brentwood who didn't get wrapped up in the jock-sniffing extravaganzas and who actually worried about the welfare of Mrs. Simpson was Mark Fuhrman.

As you'll recall, the only individual convicted of a felony in connection with the evenutal murder of Nicole was ... Detective Fuhrman.

As feminist prosecutor Marcia Clark found out when she tried to pack the OJ jury with women and Johnnie Cochran tried to pack it with blacks, and they ended up in a compromise packing it with black women, race trumps sex in modern American identity politics.

Obviously this would never happen, because there are no black cops (the police is a patriarchal white supremacist institution) and white men don't ride in taxis (their drivers tend to be nonwhites, which white men can't stand) and besides, they would never have to force a door because their male privilege would cause it to open for them. What a preposterous scenario, Steve.

"Two white men arrive in a taxi and knock down the locked front door of a house."

No. Apparently, there wasn’t a previous break-in, but the front door jammed (old house, humid summer) when Gates first tried to open it. Gates’s limo driver then damaged it while trying to unjam it. Meanwhile, Gates went to the back and got in that way. The driver then had success with the front door.

Yes, but that will change, I think. As tax rates go up, men will become less useful to women. Gender quotas will become more common. TV is a female medium, newspapers increasingly so, movies too.

150 million females versus, what, 35 million blacks plus x million more brown people? More females than minorities, and as they become more butch they will flex their political muscle more and more.

"and white men don't ride in taxis (their drivers tend to be nonwhites, which white men can't stand)"

You're telling me, although the reason we dislike them is because they dislike us first and more intensely. Our antipathy is reactionary, theirs is just primal and it is encouraged by the government and media, whereas ours is heavily discouraged.

No gender quotas for the taxi business? It's dangerous I guess but so is being a cop and a fireman, and they have gender quotas. Greedy feminists just cherry pick the best jobs for quotas.

Have fun with "The Sisterhood", Stevie Money, you can bet the klaxon call went out with this post.

That this post keeps changing from its original incarnation shows a lack of a clear thought behind it, and in fact the hypothetical question being asked has changed since the original version to be targeted to getting a specific answer. If you already know the answer you want, why not just say it?

Painting this as a feminist question is pretty odd and unnecessary. Maybe it's bait for the perpetually disgruntled/sexually frustrated T99 to explain why white women as a group are out to castrate the white man.

Of course, Rap's misogyny is the function of sexual selection. Black women went from rewarding guys who sang soulful love songs of yearning and such (the early R&B guys) to "Let's get it on" to well, thugs who were rappers.

Much of the violence in the Black community, like that of the White chav class, is driven by what women reward (i.e. thugs).

Often, diversicrat Black guys like Gates enjoy showing power/dominance over White guys. Social rules (particularly not wanting to appear "racist" in front of White women who disapprove of it) give diversicrat Black guys a lot of power. You can see it even among jocks, like Donovan McNabb complaining about the treatment he got as a Black QB, during the heat and fire burning under Eli Manning and Rex Grossman. It was ridiculous, but an assertion of social power.

Feminists real enemies are the Straight White Guy. Straight White guys are workplace competitors, demand stuff like military spending that employs mostly nerdy White guys not hip/happening women and a few Alpha men mixed in with lots of gay guys (the Hollywood "creative" model). Straight White guys are mostly unattractive to women, and the bearer of unwanted sexual attention.

So Feminists, and women in general suck down their resentment and ally themselves with Blacks and Hispanics against the mutual enemy: White guys. [Obama's stimulus is almost entirely oriented towards women, after NOW complained about it's first form.]

This is the basic political alliance across the West (substitute Muslims for Blacks/Hipsanics in Europe).

Intriguingly, the British National Party has made a huge play for White women, offering them a "better deal" with pride of place in the spoils politics of modern life. Arguing that a White-first share of the pie will be bigger for them (particularly wrt National Health) than the current alliance where they are at the near back.

It's a very female-oriented play, one that accepts and embraces socialism (rather than male-oriented individualism, markets, etc.) It remains to be seen if it works.

But in short, women are perfectly agreeable in sacrificing potential marginal bad outcomes for personal safety and physical security, even sure bets on degraded safety, for more slices for their side against the common enemy: Straight White Men.

I'd invite any who doubt this to peruse TMZ, or any female-dominated forum for a week and watch the casual attitudes towards race and gender on display.

Sailer's shilling for his adoringly racist white lackeys. Some idiot cops lost their cool, got paranoid, with the "THEY'LL KILL YOU!" coward cop training, then arrested a man for breaking into his own home, which cops should have figured out anytime, factoring in human outrage at harassment. First: do no harm. Cop training should factor in that you can be perceived, wisely, as an invalid cyst, interfering in people's independent agency, they've maybe enjoyed for decades, unmolested by morons. When you have somebody in handcuffs, maybe you should settle the matter then, with conversation, questioning and un-hanfcuffing, instead of drooling on yourself like it's the Darwin Award Spectacular Gala.

"And he is not going to gain a lot of sympathy for trying to exploit the situation for money and/or fame."

Too late:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-21-harvard_N.htm?csp=34

White people are ALWAYS to blame. Always. Either white people aren't doing enough/ignoring NAMs or white people are doing something wrong or being meddlesome. Reminds me of the loan disaster to NAMs. There were all those articles about redlining and how poor blacks and hispanics couldn't get loans because of white racism. Well, they got the loans alright, with predictable and depressing results. Now we get articles of how NAMs were exploited by those loans. Of course! Same dance different tune...

---Perhaps most helpfully, Gates provides the following rhyme, which he describes as a popular African-American toast:

Deep down in the jungle so they say There's a signifying monkey down the way. There hadn't been no disturbin' in the jungle for quite a bit, For up jumped the monkey in the tree one day and laughed, "I guess I'll start some sh*t."---

Anonymous:Yes, but that will change, I think. As tax rates go up, men will become less useful to women. Gender quotas will become more common. TV is a female medium, newspapers increasingly so, movies too.

TheMacallan99:Feminists real enemies are the Straight White Guy.

But even you Darwinists ought to realize that that stuff only lasts for a single generation.

Forty years after their mothers and grandmothers first claimed the right to flaunt their femininity, today's young women have discovered what has been dubbed "la nouvelle pudeur" - new modesty.

The cultural shift is being put down to a backlash against the liberal ideas of previous generations.

French commentators have now declared that the days of the proudly-held bosom, the monokini and the no-strap tan may be over...

According to a recent poll by the IFOP agency, 88 per cent of French women describe themselves as pudiques. Nearly half say they are shocked by the sight of bare breasts on a beach, and 57 per cent by bare breasts in the garden.

The most striking finding was that younger women are far more unwilling to bare all than their mothers or grandmothers. A quarter of 18 to 24 year-olds even described themselves as "tres pudiques"...

Deep down in the jungle so they say There's a signifying monkey down the way. There hadn't been no disturbin' in the jungle for quite a bit, For up jumped the monkey in the tree one day and laughed, "I guess I'll start some sh*t."---

testing99 wrote"...women are perfectly agreeable in sacrificing potential marginal bad outcomes for personal safety and physical security, even sure bets on degraded safety, for more slices for their side against the common enemy: Straight White Men.

I'd invite any who doubt this to peruse TMZ..."--------------------------------

I don't think that the explanation, or at least the entire explanation, for the OJ case. Black women have a really tough time in the marriage market. Finding a black guy who's healthy and employed without a criminal record is nearly impossible unless the woman is drop-dead gorgeous.

So when black women see white women swoop in and take one of the few eligible black men it pisses them off in a major way. I'm not at all surprised a jury full of black women set OJ free - they hated Nicole sight unseen for the crime of poaching a black man.

There are more single women now than married women if I am not mistaken. Women are increasingly becomming dependant on the state for their daily bread as a consequence. AA, Progressive taxes, alimony, social security and child support are all essentially transfer payments from men to women. On top of that health care is also a sop for women. They use far more health care at all stages of their lives and out live men by 4-5 years.

Blacks too are overly dependant on the Government largess. Government jobs are stable and are great places for mediocres to hide. They suck up far more resources including prison / police costs (we could have half the number of cops if there were no blacks in the US). Add failed schools and the rest and what you end up with is white mans burden. It is only natural that women and blacks form an alliance.

Roosevelt formed a coalition of ethnic whites, southern whites, and ethnics to overcome the new england wasp establishment. Obama is trying for a similar coalition now only it is blacks, hispanics, and liberal women against white men.

"So when black women see white women swoop in and take one of the few eligible black men it pisses them off in a major way. I'm not at all surprised a jury full of black women set OJ free - they hated Nicole sight unseen for the crime of poaching a black man."

RIGHT ON SPORT, I'M WITH YOU!!!!

(Or maybe they didn't think the prosecution made enough of a case, as did the three whites on the jury?)

BTW Steve-O, what's up with the posts this week, did you get mugged over the weekend or what?

This slut/prude cycles sometimes correlated with economic downtimes like the gay nineties and falppers of the 20s. Another less cyclical factor may also be that France is has permanently shifted away from the France of their mother's or grandmother's times. With so many French African, Arab and other immigrants, it's probably prudent not to dress or act like the western slut as sterotyped in the 3rd world, fair or unfair.

Evil99, feminist do not reflect the will of women anymore than republicraps/democons politicians reflect the will of the voters. Do not confuse obnoxious pot bangering lesibians with the majority of women anymore than you would the opinions of the "LA-NYC-DC Axis of the Elite" with the citizenry on issues like illegal immigration, reverse discrimmation/affirmative action or cultural nihilism.

Bitter, angry beta boys like T99/Whiskey are useful idiot 5th columnist for the angry feminist crowd. The majority of normal woman reading his incessent one-note estrogenic screeds are going to be pushed back toward the self-destructive and defeatist feminist ideology which the current college age generation are rejecting.

Men need to come to an understanding with women to form any effective voting bloc and change. Women tend to fall victim by elite/MSM opinion makers who expertly play off their more compassion and comformist natures. Being a paranoid ahole man who sees evil conspiracies around every corner does nothing to bring out women's natural conservative natures for safety, security and predictablity as wives, mothers and sisters.

Guys, stop harshing on Gates just because he uses the 'signifying monkey' bit. He's not particularly funny, but it's cool stuff. And you Alfred Kreuber fans out there would be interested in knowing this:

From Youtube:

"If you read 'Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim﻿ Like Me', you will note that some of the toasts recited by black people were learned from white prisoners."

I remember watching the awesome Rudy Ray Moore do some of his signifying monkey act at the NuArt in L.A. back in the 90s and saying to some of my friends, "Man, I hope Harvard professor and post-structuralist Skip Gates doesn't get a hold of this schtick, because his natural delivery is horrible, and it'll bring a lot of people down."

If the real facts (i.e., no imaginary dead wife) were more or less the same with a white professor, I think most people would favor the professor. I respect the profession of policeman, but it's naive to believe that they never go on power trips, and without probable cause, Crowley had no reason to stay once Gates eventually produced his two IDs. (We also have no evidence that the dead-wife scenario actually crossed Crowley's mind, do we?)

But Gates was foolish enough to play the race card and make himself look a whiner, and hence he lost his chance at public sympathy.

"Of course, Rap's misogyny is the function of sexual selection. Black women went from rewarding guys who sang soulful love songs of yearning and such (the early R&B guys) to "Let's get it on" to well, thugs who were rappers."

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm not that interested in the Gates issue, and there seem to be other concerns going on here.

There was once a psychiatrist who studied the observations and comments of mentally ill and retarded kids. He noticed that a lot of the stuff they came up with were things that were actually practiced in primitive tribes--such a cutting off parts of the body because they were ugly or whatever; abuse of animals because they "looked" at you funny, etc.. Somehow totally negative/fear-driven views of life in general seemed to prevail unless the rational mind could make sense of it.Supposedly the soulful black love songs of the 50s and 60s were deliberately written to appeal to white, mainstream tastes, but I'm sure a lot blacks actually did like them, and got into the spirit once they forced themselves. After all, you can't bring up what isn't there at all.There is something especially sick about parts of American culture, and increased black participation in the past few decades has not improved anything since Motown and Dizzy Gillespie.I once read a book studying the tales, jokes, rhymes, songs, etc., from black American sub-culture. At some point PC determination abandoned me, and I just couldn't stand it anymore--the degrading imagery and interpretations of normal human reproduction and behavior were so distorted and insane, so incredibly ugly and void of human feeling, that the only description I could come up with was "psychopathic." I've studied the folk tales, curses, songs, proverbs, etc. of cultures and ethnicities all over the world but they were nothing like this. There were psychopathic elements, but they were balanced with other perspectives, and this was true no matter how hard and oppressed the cultural background. A documentary on rape in the Congo and elsewhere in Africa does show where some of this comes from. The director had been gang raped in Washington, DC years earlier. She went to Africa to see how African women were coping. While nobody blamed men in general--the black male guide, father of daughters, was horrified and baffled by the violence and there were good men featured -- it was a rare instance of gender trumping race. The African women understood her story and sympathized. The color of the attackers was not an issue to them, though I am not sure how the director felt. She was too PC to say.

I do blame "society" in a way. The women may reward it--but surely only the most stupid and most twistedly instinctual would desire blantantly evil, uncivil men, (unless she's evil and uncivil too--that's it!) for they bring nothing to the table except a few hours of sex and offspring who have his genes. Yech. It is "society" that puts these creatures on the covers of magazines, spends precious time "analyzing" their "art"; publicizes their "art", drags them and their unflushed toilets in our faces.The world really is scraping the bottom of the pond.Art and music are intrinsically tied to intelligence and transcendancy. It is not a "different type" of intelligence, so I should not be surprised.Some have justified cRap by referencing Shakespeare, of all people, because some (mostly the worst)of Shakespeare's plays were violent. Ok--let us compare a Shakespearean sonnet to the best rap the afficiando can come up with. He had his "misogyny" and some of his female characters had their "misandry", but the greatness of the author always saw the other pov, life in the whole.What will future generations make of all this?Sometimes you just have to admit that culture has hit the skids. We are in a Dark Ages no matter how many toys get invented.

"But even you Darwinists ought to realize that that stuff only lasts for a single generation."

Well who am I to argue with one (1) article from one (1) mainstream media source located on another continent depicting one (1) aspect of feminism among one (1) European peoples?

The suggestion that women are becoming less feminist is preposterous, the boobie thing can be explained by French women not wanting to "give it away" for free - they're actually becoming bigger C U Next Tuesdays, not less. Lecherous immigrants is another explanation.

That isn't what happened, Steve. A peaceful professor opened his door to find a hysterical female accuser standing beside a cop. The professor refused to come out on the porch (as he has every legal right to do). The cop came in and the professor showed him his ID. Case closed. No need for the cop to take an attitude. It's probably the case that the cop / his training made him treat Gates like a criminal in his own home.

That Gates blew a gasket and started hollering publicly, taking it into the street, demanding the name and badge of the cop, probably saved his own life, not risked it.

I like reading H.L. Mencken, who as a young Balitmore reporter in the early 1900s was told by his hard-bitten editor: "Rule one, Never trust a cop." Mencken said this was some of the best advice he ever got. It can be applied to more than newspaper reporting. Cops lie, but they also plant evidence, Taze unthreatening people, and (at least in the past) had the uncanny habit of being close by whenever prisoners fatally "tripped on the stairs" in prison.

Where was the presumption of innocence for Gates? Why did he have to produce his papers on an accusation? Doesn't the accuser bear the burden of proof, or (outside court) any responsibility? And though the Supreme Court would disagree, a cop should have a warrant to enter a home and conduct a search. (Such was the case in old "weird America," the country one our Founders built. Look up "Fourth Amendment.")

The more I think about this case, the worse it stinks.

As to stinking corpses, the SMELL is what creates a REASONABLE assumption that someone has been murdered. Until then, that is a wild fantasy in extremis. "I see a man walking down the street - men are statistically more prone to be rapists than are women - how do I know he's not coming from a rape scene? Better arrest him to be sure, and even shoot him if he - cough - resists arrest. After all, he wouldn't have come to my attention if he were completely innocent."

Steve needs a vacation. Now. He is dropping into the hate-filled world of the creepy freepers. Believe me, I know the stats on blacks and crime, but this is a "hard case" WNs are well-advised to treat gingerly. Why? Because don't ask for whom the Police State tolls. It tolls for thee.

I wish you would let this one go Steve. Maybe the cops followed procedure, maybe they didn't, but the cops don't need our protection. The cops don't need people coming up with reasons why their abusive actions towards someone that committed no crime are justified.

James Kabala said... "Just curious - does anyone have any theories as to why the non-black O.J. jurors voted for acquittal?"

They were pissed off because the trial dragged on for so long. (Jurors tend to take that out on the prosecutors.)

They were browbeaten by a couple of overbearing alpha types on the jury.

The prosecutors bungled the case. (OJ was obviously guilty as hell, but the prosecutors were so cocky they didn't even do the most basic, obvious things. They also couldn't take the heat of intense media scrutiny and publicity, which led them to make some very bizarre and counterproductive decisions.)

Melykin said... Huh? You guys really must have issues if you believe this stuff...

Yeah, testy is missing out on a lot of nice experiences you can have with an intelligent, decent woman. And I'm not talking about sex. There are a lot of fine women out there who are not primarily thinking about how to bash beta's like testy.

I don't think race trumps sex if you are white in a majority white society, usually. Race can trump sex when a woman is part of a vocal minority. A woman might see herself as Jewish before female and side with Jewish custom over feminism in some instances. Black women often side with anti-racism over anti-sexism and sometimes the two do conflict. .

I am not sure about Asian women. Most Asian women I know are more concerned about sexism than about racism or ethnic identity. Perhaps this is because stereotypes of east Asian women can be particularly objectifying.

There is often a deep conflict between "cultural rights", ethnic pride and women's rights. Most post modernists choose to ignore this problem

Anyways, after having relied on Crowley in my personal life, I think he is the type of person that automatically tends to pay extra attention to a case where violence against a woman is concerned. It is unfortunate that he has been the target of a racism accusation. I was receiving threats from a nutjob who was amongst many things, a racist of the sort whose comments are expunged through moderation. I showed Crowley the emails and he made special note of the racial nature of the threats, and he was insinctively offended by such comments. I think for a white working class person, he is especially sensitive to racism against minorities (I am one and my problem maker was white). I have found him to be especially dedicated to resolving situations where threats against women are concerned. I once had my bike stolen. The cops came and took some notes and that was the end of it. When I had to report threats to my personhood, I was lucky to be referred to Crowley because he went above and beyond in order to investigate my claim, bring the claim to court and see that my freedom was not restricted after arbitration.

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