I have been doing OOP for over 30 years now in a wide range of languages, but in particular C++ and Java. I appreciate that the OOP features of PHP are superficial but I have encountered a situation where I am prevented from defining a class in the way that seems natural to me from my experience with other languages.

The above of course fails because $this is not defined at the point where usort is called. However I have extensively searched the published examples and I cannot find any sample in either the PHP documentation or any of the fora which addresses this issue. The array($this, 'compare') syntax is given in many examples as a way to exploit polymorphism, but none of the examples explain the context in which this form can be used to declare a callback.

The definition of a callback function in PHP essentially precludes it being a normal class method. Yes there is a situation where you can call a normal class method from another class method, but you cannot perform a sort using a comparison method like the above from outside the class, where you do not have access to $this. Even if you do have a class method it might as well have "static" defined because the comparison method must have two parameters to define what it is comparing, it cannot, as above, compare the current instance to another instance.

I have long felt that the use of a static method indicates a poor class design because static methods defeat polymorphism.

It also seems really weird coming from any other language to see a function referred to by its character string name rather than by an object instance. To me this seems to be exposing the internal implementation of PHP in a way that should be unnecessary.

I understand that this is just the way PHP is, but I dislike being forced to add a wrapper function around a comparison method that is defined in the way that comparison methods are defined in almost every other language just to get it accepted syntactically.

Is there any forum for discussions of PHP evolution where I could discuss this issue.

It seems you're used to sorting that behaves like $a->compare($b). That's not how usort() works so of course you're having problems.

The callback to usort() is a static comparison method and receives two arguments (conventionally called $a and $b) that are the values to sort. If you want it to behave like $a->compare($b) then you need to make your callback do that:

PHP is not “primary procedural” PHP is a multi paradigm language , that most write PHP in primary procedural way even if they use classes is a fact , but this has nothing to do with the language itself. I am writing strictly OOP PHP many years now. As requinix mentioned use type hinting not evaluation , compare method of TestClass can take only a TestClass object so we have public function compare(TestClass $testObj){

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also don't mix the PHP functions for arrays with objects , (objects lists are exception to that but again if implements IteratorAggregate interface). I can't understand what you are trying to do with “usort($instances, array($this, 'compare'));” and do you believe polymorphisms is in this example.

I agree with you ,of course, that PHP wasn't designed as an OOP language, so in its core has mixed functional and procedural programming. For example is PDO in the core of PHP those days ? Is PDO OOP ? String manipulation as you mentioned is still a thing but I can't remember when I needed a string function that my OOP wrapper couldn't provide me. Do I still use PHP functions ? Yes of course when I am writing something that is in the core (in the framework) almost never in everyday life programming. Almost 95% of a time , there other 5% that you haven't decided if that has meaning to be in a layer , so you use it and if you use it again is time to build that OOP layer. I understand that many people are programming in PHP in other ways and I am not claiming that this is the right one , but you can treat PHP as an OOP language , the language support it and can play along.

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