The Nexus 6P and 5X removal shouldn't surprise anyone, but it marks the (possible) end of the Nexus lineup. The Nexus 5X is still my favorite phone, and after seeing the prices of the Pixel phones, I will likely hang onto it for as long as possible. The NVIDIA Shield removal does spark interest, perhaps indicating that the SHIELD has not been overly successful.

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I guess people are blind if they don't see pricetags for today's Android flagships

Marko Šaric

I guess.

iPhone_user1

Well, goodbye Nexus brand...

someone755

And, as it stands, goodbye Android (for me). How much is an SE (which still has software support) worth nowadays? About as much as the Pixel should cost, right?

TheinsanegamerN

The 64GB iphone SE is $450 from apple directly. The 16GB one is $399.

Bought one after the pixel price was leaked weeks ago. Very happy getting updates timely, and will enjoy getting 5+ years of updates.

someone755

I'm just bummed about having to use iTunes -- is there a way to get around that?
Got a 10GB+ collection of flacs that I have no intention of converting to mp3.

Srujan

The fuck are you doing Google?

Dmitry Stepanushkin

$649? $649!! :)))))))

frozencloud

Read theverge hand-on.

NO OIS
NO Stereo Speakers

SO FUCK YOU GOOGLE

jonathan3579

Kinda sad that they attempted to mimic Apple and didn't include waterproofing, stereo speakers, or OIS. I will give the Pixel XL a try but honestly if I'm not wowed, I'm gonna give the 7 Plus a try right after...

"There’s no optical image stabilization, but Google has tied the gyroscope into the camera system. In a demo, I saw the Pixel get rapidly shaken up and down an inch or so while recording with no visual jitter or jelly at all."

That's for video. You can do things like that with video since the resolution is much lower, most of the pixels don't need to be used.

person

That's good. I like how stable my N6's video is but introducing high frequency jittering, OIS goes nuts.

TheMeckMan

OIS has no bearing on Jelly or jitter. That's caused by rolling shutter (how data is read from the sensor). OIS is a function of lens optics that shifts the image plane.

TheMeckMan

OIS has no bearing on dxomark scores. But Google is counting on most people to have a limited understanding of this.

OIS is a function of lens optics that shifts the image plane. The idea is it keeps the image steady. Dxomark mainly rates the sensor though for fixed systems Ther may take into account optics the function of OIS is not going to factor in. Quality of the lens, aperture, and aberrations will.

"A single electronic connection embodies Google's new approach. It links the image sensor with the motion and tilt sensors so the phone knows exactly how the camera is moving, updated 200 times each second."

DiDaDo

who really needs stereo speakers on a mobile device??

WORPspeed

I do :)
Use t all the time. Every morning when I wake up it plays my morning anthem on the 6p stero speakers

DiDaDo

Wow, with one ear right in your pillow :D Why dont you use an external bluetooth speaker with more better sound than those tiny-winy smartphone-speakers?

WORPspeed

It's after I get up, so both ears get to listen....I prefer my phone speakers over my UE boom in the morning, in the afternoon it switches...the other way around.

When I wake up play the morning news when i do my bathroom ritual, and play podcasts when i'm making my lunch and eating breakfast... every morning... My N6P broke, use a temp. iPhone 5 and Oneplus One, but just ordered the N6P again after the announcement ended...

Brian Menius

Some people smoke their breakfast. Google? Google smokes the fucking buffet.

Decent phones. However they are two (2x) times the price they should be. SHAME on Google for becoming greedy shysters. They sell your data AND charge top dollar now. This is treason against all of us Nexus loyalists. Also the obsession to prevent full experience with rooted devices by Google is disgusting. Next phone may be time to switch. No waterproofing, no IP67, no expandable storage, massive bezels and no removable battery. Pixel (non-XL) is just stupid price, over twice the price of the phone it replaces.

Nicholas Castano

Well so when should I go looking for a Nexus 5X for my wife? Will the price drop? How does that normally work?

Fargo_Zoidberg

I'm sure Amazon and other places will have a nice Black Friday deal for these Nexi

I would jump on it sooner rather than later, there is no guarantee more stock will come in.

TigerMike901

Awesome, now ship the thousands of leftovers to those reliable ebay sellers who can sell me a brand new 6P for like $250 or a 5X for $199. I'm ready.

Quint’s Sharking & Seashells

I'm curious if you still get a warranty if purchased through eBay. I'm definitely interested.

TigerMike901

To answer your question directly, I'm not 100% sure. But I would guess the warranty would still apply so long as new units are also being sold from other official outlets like B&H, Amazon, or Best Buy.

Ian Dunbar

I would think you could get a Square Trade warranty or something, yes?

So, I guess these won't get any of the new features in 7.1? Like, not the Pixel Launcher, assistant etc...

The running vm

Those features are the only selling points the pixel has.

someone755

Don't forget the 20 minutes they spent talking about Google Assistant, also known to most other Android users simply as "Now On Tap"! It's an amazing piece of code that totally hasn't been around for a few years now and can't in any way be ported to other devices!

SB

they're still up on the project fi page. better hurry y'all

Kevin Brosseau

Why would they remove the Shield TV and any mention of Android TV?

Duder12

They will probably stock the Mi Box Android TV. Guessing no wonder is buying shield s through them

If Google had little faith in Android they wouldn't keep this OS alive for 8 years straight, they would've replaced it or scrapped the project entirely a long time ago

Mahbubul

Nice gif!

1. I wonder how the other OEMs will take this 'made by Google' approach. What will happen if Samsung assembles few major manufacturers and go for other OS in five-years timeframe? No one is getting any profit anyway other than Samsung with Android.

2. Google's idea of Nexus was always a direction for others. It was cheap because it had limiting hardwares. But going for premium prices without providing something premium is not justified. Yes, some can say Google was giving subsidy but if the idea is to sell more devices, this Pixel has some serious issues. I think Pixels just don't have such features that can force people buy, specially who can afford iPhone.I think if we can get an actual figure of how they are selling the Pixels in next quarter will justify all the frustration of the Nexus lovers.

I am happy with the 5X and I'm getting another one so that I can patiently wait next two years to see Google's next direction.

>What will happen if Samsung assembles few major manufacturers and go for other OS in five-years timeframe?

Nothing. Virtually no one will be interested in switching to it unless they manage to build an app catalogue that's at least comparable to Android, and if they're just gonna use some built-in compatibility libs or whatever to launch Android apps: then
1) what the hell was the point in going away from Google's OS in the first place?
and 2) there will be no incentive for developers to add yet another OS to their releases when they can just port the Android version as is

And as far as I know BlackBerry hadn't much of a success with that idea, neither did Jolla, and Microsoft scrapped the whole Android and iOS support in Windows 10 concept entirely

So even if they DO manage to build a new OS - it will flop, simply because of how much marketshare iOS and Android have combined. Hell I don't even think there will be any updates to Windows 10 mobile, that thing is essentially dead now

Dmitry Stepanushkin

RIP

_ThaNerd_

What about the Google Angelfish and Swordfish smartwatches weren't they suppose to introduce these 2 new smartwatches?!?!

Yeah, I thought we were supposed to get more developer preview stuff in the form of maintenance releases. Maybe sometime soon hopefully.

Plombir

If you look at the Pixel description on the Play Store, it says it comes with 7.1. So, I guess when Pixels start shipping?

blindexecutioner

Wow, dang. Wonder where the extra stock will go? How do those ebay resellers get access to that stuff?

Leeroy Jenkins

Honestly considering an iPhone for the first time. Can't believe they didn't even mention the future of the newer Nexus devices. 650 Euro for a freaking 1 year old 6p and they can't even mention how it will tie in and what features it will and wont get. wtf Google.

Suicide_Note

Why would they talk about the 6P/5X? This was an event to introduce new hardware, not last year's products.

They'll need to do more than that. They'll probably need to get a new Nexus phone out for next year, after this DOA shit fails.

Duder12

Ugh on the Shield removal

TheDave1022

Isnt there a rumored new shield coming out. maybe just clearing out until the new unit is released?

JT3

I hope so... but I'm kind of betting that it's so their $69 dongle doesn't have to compete with a $199 console that offers a lot more for the money. Sure, they've got the better price-point, but that's it.

I still don't understand why the dongle doesn't have Android TV built in.

Ian Dunbar

I *think* I heard it was canceled. Hope I'm wrong on that one.

EDIT: Nevermind, you're talking about the Shield TV. It was the tablet that got canceled.

JSo

It makes sense. You want people buying your new devices, not the old ones.

YuCMi

Count me out of buying any future Google smartphones if they don't have dual front facing speakers. I'm disappointed by how fast Google drops products and services, to the point where I might start considering other options in the future.

JD

I already have. Google has proven time and time again they have no vision and are willing to drop a huge market share on a whim.

They have to start, haven't they? And yet they choose the worst possible way to start: overpricing their product. If they made a version that would not get that unlimited storage bullsh*t (FOR ME its pure bullsh*t, I barely take photos and therefore I have no need for it) that would cost $100 less, I would still call it slighty overpriced, but much more reasonable.

Those things are true but it's also true that, vs. the iPhone 7, the base Pixel has twice the RAM, arguably better cameras, a better screen (higher res/PPI), a bigger battery, quick charge capability, support for VR (with free VR headset), a normal 3.5mm headphone jack, and integrated Google services, including the (for now) exclusive Google Assistant. Those are all points in favor of the Pixel. Why should Google put out a flagship that is priced less than Apple and immediately signal to the market that it's an inferior phone when it isn't? If you want a good Android phone at a lower price, you have plenty of options, particularly from Chinese brands. Google isn't looking to compete there.

JD

Doesn't look like they're competing much anywhere.
Knife to a gun fight design/specs
Priced way too high for people who are willing to pay money for the privilege to beta test their next version of software.

Marcelove

Twice ram won't make Pixel beat the iPhone 7.
When reviews about the quality of photos and videos of Pixel Vs iPhone 7 start appearing Pixel will only equal iPhone quality at best.
Bigger battery doesn't mean bigger device "on time".
Quickcharge is an important thing that is an advantage over iPhones
VR isn't yet" a thing".
No headphone jacket I have to agree it was a stupid decision from Apple
Google Assistant is way better than Siri but both are a bonus, and not something that people can't live without.

In sum: no, your points don't show how superior Pixel is over iPhone. It at most equals iPhone 7, and for the price asked, Apple has a great device with way better support. Google failed hard this year and only gave reasons to people run to Apple or Android from other companies ( a Pixel device is a shame side by side with the Note 7... And please, don't bring the battery problem here since it is a past problem)

WitnessG

Why are people upset at google for removing their old phones from their store? They did the same thing with the Nexus 6. They want people to buy their new phones. Just cause they aren't selling it doesn't mean its not supported anymore.

Ali Mohamedali

i'm not upset about them removing it from the store too much since its still available elsewhere, but, they should go the apple route since thats what theyre kinda doing anyway, and i'm no apple fanboy at all. what i mean by that is when new iphones come out, apple usually sells their last years model for less, which lets those with not as much disposable income upgrade a year later than those who want the newest as soon as it comes out. i know this we're comparing nexus to pixel now, but they couldve still done that and probably gained a little more adoption for people who pick up a year old but perfectly good and cheaper nexus 5x or 6p and then maybe liked it and upgraded to a pixel in 2 years thats a year old again, using the model apple using for DISCOUNTING, not DISCONTINUING their model from last year (from googles store specificly)

Berkay

And I thought that stereo speakers and waterproofing/resistance would become a standard on all phones...

My 6P will remain with me until next year. Maybe I'll pick up one of these Pixels if the price drop is low enough and if they aged well. But the two years of major updates would mean I'd only have one more year left. Ugh. I hope the next Pixel phones will have Nexus level pricing.

Nathan Hubbard

These new phones won't age well. They are already unimpressive, and next year they'll be a joke.

LilSweetLin

WTF are the people at Google smoking? Their marketing is TERRIBLE, and that keynote was boring as fuck. NO mention of the speaker set up (bottom, I know) with regards to the DAC; NO upgrade in battery capacity; a SMALLER screen; NO OIS AND a base price of $769 for the 32GB XL, going all the way up to $869? I'll just leave this here, and skip off with my 64GB Matte Gold 6P, which I bought new, sealed in its OEM box for $425 back in August... https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/913bd6a81b86d3d7556ea06170fd9da65ecc7cb0391649d4e01ebb8635f46306.gif

blindexecutioner

Tax adds $50+ to them as well :)

LilSweetLin

Oh yes, who could forget the tax, plus the $89 + tax you'd pay for now "Pixel Protect", and people will be shelling out iPhone-level prices. Again, see GIF above.

Xenotrumpet

To all the people ragging on the Pixels, this is why you don't pick up first gen stuff. Wait until next year and see if Google has stopped fucking around.

JT3

That's my plan. I know everyone hopes that Google is starting over, and will market these Pixels in the way that they should have done with Nexus in the first place. However... still Google, so...

pfmiller

Just because they changed the name doesn't mean this is Google's first attempt at making a phone.

As a Pixel C owner I agree. While the tablet is great, it had so many hardware and software problems... And the magnetic keyboard is simply shit.

DanSan

Amazon fire sales of Nexus 6P here i come!

Jeff72

or OnePlus 3

gyatty

6P and 5X still available through Project Fi website. I just purchased a 6P for myself and a 5X for my mom.

NashGuy

I'm not sure it means much of anything that the Nvidia Shield TV is no longer listed on the Google Store. Maybe they just sold out of their stock, like most retailers lately. Nvidia will almost certainly be rolling out an updated version soon given that an updated remote and game controller recently passed through the FCC. It will still be the king of Android TV devices (and streamers generally) and will probably get re-listed on the Google Store when it debuts.

TheinsanegamerN

Hope they make it easier to change the internal drive this time around. A shield TV with a 512GB SSD would be sweet.

JD

The decent in to the Dark side is nearly complete.

Grayson

I'm kind of glad they stopped selling the 5X and 6P. In light of the super high prices of the Pixel phones and the inability to buy new 5Xs and 6Ps, I think resale value of the 5X and 6P might actually increase a bit in the next few months.

Patrick Smithopolis

There may be a new Shield console coming along.

PublicStaticVoidMain

What are you talking about? It is still available. google dot com slash nexus.

TheinsanegamerN

Charges iphone level money, but barely competes with $400 phones.

Google really is out of their minds.

Michael Acosta

While it's not possible to buy the last year nexus/nexi/nexuses on the google store. You can still buy them through project fi if you activate through them. I can't confirm this but all I can say is that on the website they still list the phones as being available to be bought

Diaz1999

The 5X and 6P are also still available through Project Fi,

*at Google*
o shit, we forgot about that one!

Roy

I guess we can now assume that Android TV is officially dead. Which is too bad, I love my nVidia Shield TV.

JunitoNH

No front stereo speakers, no water resistance, no micro SD, ugly G on the back, and ugly bezels. No thanks, I'll keep my 6p just a little longer.