Illuminaire wrote:I've already shared my thoughts on WS as a measuring tool, PIF. You fall back on it every time... we're just going to have to disagree if that's your go to move, and I don't trust it as an accurate measure.

Agreed. Any statistical measure is going to have it flaws. It certainly can't be used as the lone piece to measure someone's value. IMO, you have to take into account a number of different statistical tools to get an overall picture of a players real impact.

Being solely dependent on one measuring tool and being so vociferous in your arguments to such is how one can wind up looking incredibly wrong and stupid in the long run.

Anyone knows how Landry Fields is doing up in Toronto these days?

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Illuminaire wrote:I've already shared my thoughts on WS as a measuring tool, PIF. You fall back on it every time... we're just going to have to disagree if that's your go to move, and I don't trust it as an accurate measure.

I like the WS measure, but I agree with your premise. Like other measures, WS can slight some and over-reward others that happen to be overly strong or weak in a key area of the system. Still, you could legitimately arrive at the same conclusion about Wall using other means, including just looking at his shooting % from the 2 and 3 and his turnovers, especially coupled with the team's record. I still think Wall has the tools to be an all-star (maybe they could try surrounding him with some scorers), but right now I'd be happy to see him return healthy, and just work on being really good.

To the Rubio vs. Wall thing for a moment. Using MY stat tool, which (despite dat's unsubstantiated claim to the contrary) is without flaw, I'd agree with payitforward's basic assessment. In my measure, 100 = average and higher is better...

Rubio -- Rookie -- 104Wall -- Rookie -- 87Wall -- Year 2 -- 97

It's actually interesting to see how remarkably similar their rookie seasons were category by category. Wall actually shot for a higher percentage from the floor. Their rebounding was virtually identical. Rubio had more assists and steals. Turnovers were about the same.

Wall shot more frequently so he had more missed shots. Another factor, at least in my rating, Rubio performed better in the defense part of my metric.

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