I love how they try to boil it down to whether or not two men or two women can have children.

By that logic, infertile people should not be allowed to marry, because infertile people do not have children. Or older people who have lost a spouse, or just met the right person after menopause can't marry because post-menopausal women cannot have children. I don't think those arguments would fly, so why should they for gay couples?

I hope Pat lives to be 300 - long enough to see the Christianity he preaches either die entirely or be ignored in favor of a more hippy-dippy Christianity (how's THAT for irony?). I hope his 300-year-old brain remains as healthy as it is now, so that he sees all this happen. I hope he keeps biatching about it, so much that on the last episode of The 700 Club, he asks "Why have you forsaken me?" and the answer is a resounding "BECAUSE YOU'RE A PRICK AND THE GOD YOU WORSHIP IS EVEN WORSE."

700 Club host Pat Robertson agreed and added: "The foundation of our society since the founding of our great Republic is under attack by a few people [who] want to have their way doing of sex affirmed by everyone else."

propasaurus:700 Club host Pat Robertson agreed and added: "The foundation of our society since the founding of our great Republic is under attack by a few people [who] want to have their way doing of sex affirmed by everyone else."

thismomentinblackhistory:The striking down of sodomy laws "affirmed the lifestyle." If Jesus returned tomorrow he wouldn't give these two the time of day.

Agreed. I also think that were this Jesus to return tomorrow his first order of business would be to go after the money men, the people who have bought and paid to make everything in this world to their liking; the lobbyists, the corporatists, the politicians etc who have farked us all over royally.

Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

My father-in-law is 85 and still uses the term "coloreds". That's about like Pat Robertson's views on gay marriage.

My grandfather was like that. I used to ask him, "what color were they?"

Purple.

You see, long ago God made man in His Holy Image (and women too, ahem), and made them all the many colors of the rainbow. But the orange people, who had no Jersey Shore, wandered away to find better tanning salons, and the blue people went up into outer space, save one who mentored five teenagers to become Power Rangers and fight the evil Rita Repulsa. The green people slowly died off as they were mistaken for trees and cut down, and finally only the purple people, with mystical powers over the forces of the universe, remained. Thus we now await the coming of the Great Purple Leader, who shall bring us out of dark times into salvation.

letrole:Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

When you make spaghetti, do you use butter on the noodles after they've cooked, or just put salt in the boiling water? I think people generally do one or other other, but not both.

I hope Pat lives to be 300 - long enough to see the Christianity he preaches either die entirely or be ignored in favor of a more hippy-dippy Christianity (how's THAT for irony?). I hope his 300-year-old brain remains as healthy as it is now, so that he sees all this happen. I hope he keeps biatching about it, so much that on the last episode of The 700 Club, he asks "Why have you forsaken me?" and the answer is a resounding "BECAUSE YOU'RE A PRICK AND THE GOD YOU WORSHIP IS EVEN WORSE."

That they, and other evangicals, clergyman, etc. like them can't or won't see the times changing (even when it's a giant semi at full speed and they're all standing in the middle of the highway) pretty much tells us the relevancy of religion.

My father-in-law is 85 and still uses the term "coloreds". That's about like Pat Robertson's views on gay marriage.

My grandfather was like that. I used to ask him, "what color were they?"

Purple.

You see, long ago God made man in His Holy Image (and women too, ahem), and made them all the many colors of the rainbow. But the orange people, who had no Jersey Shore, wandered away to find better tanning salons, and the blue people went up into outer space, save one who mentored five teenagers to become Power Rangers and fight the evil Rita Repulsa. The green people slowly died off as they were mistaken for trees and cut down, and finally only the purple people, with mystical powers over the forces of the universe, remained. Thus we now await the coming of the Great Purple Leader, who shall bring us out of dark times into salvation.

So Bob Jones University is protecting the world from Thanos and/or Sinestro?

Three Crooked Squirrels:He is a leader in the "pulpit freedom" movement, which insists that pastors should be free to carry out political advocacy from the pulpit in defiance of Internal Revenue Service regulations.

Any pastor/minister/imam can carry out political advocacy from the pulpit all damned day long. He just doesn't get the special tax-exempt status. If you have a storefront church that isn't set up to make heaps of money, though, you'd be paying virtually no taxes anyway, so go for it.

serpent_sky:I love how they try to boil it down to whether or not two men or two women can have children.

By that logic, infertile people should not be allowed to marry, because infertile people do not have children. Or older people who have lost a spouse, or just met the right person after menopause can't marry because post-menopausal women cannot have children. I don't think those arguments would fly, so why should they for gay couples?

"The concern is that redefining marriage as a genderless institution will sever its abiding connection to its historic traditional procreative purposes, and it will refocus the purpose of marriage and the definition of marriage away from the raising of children and to the emotional needs and desires of adults," Cooper said.

Justice Elena Kagan, an appointee of President Barack Obama, pressed Cooper on that argument, asking him why then the government could not bar couples who are both over the age of 55 from marrying, on the assumption that they are infertile.

Cooper replied that it would violate the Constitution to ban older people from marrying.

That's right - the guy arguing that gays shouldn't be able to marry because they can't procreate believes it would be unconstitutional to ban older people from marrying due to their inability to procreate.

letrole:Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

This just a rewording of what Robertson has already said. You used to be so much better at this. :tsk tsk:

FTFA:Pastor Jim Garlow claimed: "There isn't that much interest in marriage, there isn't that much interest in commitment and monogamy, it isn't there; it's attempting to force us to affirm a lifestyle, that's what's at stake here."

Have I not been pointing out that this is their primary concern for years now?

AdolfOliverPanties:thismomentinblackhistory: The striking down of sodomy laws "affirmed the lifestyle." If Jesus returned tomorrow he wouldn't give these two the time of day.

Agreed. I also think that were this Jesus to return tomorrow his first order of business would be to go after the money men, the people who have bought and paid to make everything in this world to their liking; the lobbyists, the corporatists, the politicians etc who have farked us all over royally.

If Jesus returned tomorrow his first order of business would be to stand on a street corner shouting absurd end-of-the-world prophecies with the rest of the paranoid schizophrenics.

letrole:Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

That is the party line, yes.

Of course, that might have something to do with the lack of option and the culture which surrounds it. We're not an alien species...we have the same basic drive as the heterosexuals, but the option to follow their lead was denied by law.