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While watching the Brüno trailer the other day, it occurred to me that for a man like Sacha Baron Cohen to willingly engage in real-life actions that take place at the expense of others, which are described by the normal man as "cringeworthy", such as smashing up an antique store in Borat, it could be quite likely that he is a "socialised" sociopath, or something of that sort. This thought has led me to wonder if there are many other celebrities, who, due to their personality type have achieved a similar level of success. Any suggestions?

I want to live to see the destruction of this universe, and the beginning of the next.

I'm not so sure about Baron Cohen... ...I think he's more an intelligent guy who juist recognises an easy way to make a buck or two. It's like Marilyn Manson. He [Manson] doesnt' actually follow that goth culture. He just saw the niche that existed and decided to appeal to the youthful [and middle-class] youths. I cannot think of anyone else who was famous who could have had ASPD. I don't think it's actually possible for such a person to make it that far in life, which I'm guessing is going to prove a controversial statement.

Chucky wrote:I don't think it's actually possible for such a person to make it that far in life, which I'm guessing is going to prove a controversial statement.

I don't think it is possible for people with ASPD to go very far either Kevin. This is because some of the chief criteria for the disorder preclude it:

Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.

Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

Reckless disregard for safety of self or others

Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations

Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Now this is not to say there are no successful psychopaths or sociopaths--those who lack the neurobiology to feel the full range of emotions and internalize social norms. ASPD is a label denoting behavioral abnormalities, not congenital neurobiological deficits in key areas of emotional and behavioral processing like the amygdala and prefrontal cortex that is characteristic of the Psycho/Sociopath and may or may not lead to antisocial acts and subsequently an ASPD diagnosis.

Most, if not all ASPD individuals do not make it very far; some psychopaths and sociopaths do. That is the reality.

If this is still not clear I'll elucidate with an example. I could go out and disrupt enough of society to receive an ASPD diagnosis, however I could never be a true psychopath--no matter how many people I kill--because my biology precludes it (makes it impossible). Psychopathy and Sociopathy must be relegated to a category of their own. Many scholars do not make this diagnostic distinction and ignorantly use these terms--ASPD, Sociopathy, and Psychopathy--interchangeably. It is up to the reader to not confuse the terms, and if an author has and you are reading their material and do not want to get confused then only temporarily allow the terms to be read interchangeably, but keep a distinct category in the back of your head labeled "Biologically based ASPD/psychopathy/sociopathy" out of respect for the true pathology.

I think it's more then possible - after all, who are better actors then people with ASPD? I know will smith is Not a sociopath though, I had to watch the pursuit of happiness with an old girlfriend in theaters one time..... I swear he has some weird empathetic ability, same with all really good actors/actresses - they feel their parts.

But we can fake most of it better then them.

I met paris hilton, she's not very attractive, wears tons of make-up, totally slutty looking. Was at some after party up in the Madison area a year or two ago.

thecatalystkid wrote:I think it's more then possible - after all, who are better actors then people with ASPD? I know will smith is Not a sociopath though, I had to watch the pursuit of happiness with an old girlfriend in theaters one time..... I swear he has some weird empathetic ability, same with all really good actors/actresses - they feel their parts.

But we can fake most of it better then them.

I met paris hilton, she's not very attractive, wears tons of make-up, totally slutty looking. Was at some after party up in the Madison area a year or two ago.

Was probably a look alike.

But i doubt any actor will ever reveal their ASPD tendancies... afterall they act for a living.

thecatalystkid wrote:I think it's more then possible - after all, who are better actors then people with ASPD?

Who's better at acting? - Men with Narcissistic PD and women with Histrionic PD (and vice-versa) are better at acting.

morning star, where did you read that about Stan Collymore? I knew that there was something happening to him as he vanished from the public scene for a while, but I was made aware it was just depression (haha... ...'JUST' depression... ... )

thecatalystkid wrote:I think it's more then possible - after all, who are better actors then people with ASPD?

Who's better at acting? - Men with Narcissistic PD and women with Histrionic PD (and vice-versa) are better at acting.

morning star, where did you read that about Stan Collymore? I knew that there was something happening to him as he vanished from the public scene for a while, but I was made aware it was just depression (haha... ...'JUST' depression... ... )

Stan Collymore admitted to having BPD on the Jeremy Kyle show, it was a celebrity special. He thought he had depression but there was something else, and he was eventually diagnosed with BPD.