At least we have the primitive Wasp. I think they should stick with Primitives and be done with it.

Guys, let's keep to DEFCON 3 right now... Speck did say "until further notice". While I'm wracking my brain to think of another scenario, it's possible there is one that we don't know about. The thing that sticks in my mind is that with as public as CGL has made this over the course of going on two years now (the first art was published and displayed about this time in 2015), you'd think that if HG were involved, they would have swooped down like vultures much sooner. It's not like CGL hid that awesome art of Tasha K's Warhammer under a bushel basket.

The theory that may make more sense is Liam's Ghost's idea that this is a nuisance challenge from Palladium who are worried that the minis might eat into sales of their Robotech Tactics patience tests -- er, miniature kits. In which case, hopefully Simbieda et. al will be shown the door rather quickly (and, if there's any justice in this world, the judge will find him in contempt of players for the ridiculous Rifts rules) and we can all get on with business as usual.

Even if it were HG relitigating the FASA case again, and even if they were to win (two dicey propositions), it's not like ALL the Classics would be taken away at a stroke. We'd still have the BattleMaster, Shadow Hawk, Locust, Thunderbolt, Griffin, Scorpion, Goliath, and Wolverine. A kick in the balls, to be sure, but not the total catastrophe of the Unseen days all over again.

As others have pointed out, the art for the new RT based classics was the FIRST out the door with the Marauder and Warhammer. If HG or that other group had issue, it would have been not long after that. Also, MWO would also be feeling a lot of heat over their classics as well.

So lets stick to the following1. Internal issue between CGL and IWM - Wasp/Valkyrie were to be in plastic first and IWM goofed on their rotation. Logical, we do know that IWM is scheduled to produce 12 in metal.2. Production issue - cracked/broken mold for the Wasp, no mold until recently for the Valkyrie which would be inline with the removal of both from the current release schedule3. A POLITE word from HG asking for CGL to make slight changes to the Wasp/Valkyrie as they may still be too close to the source material. Least likely IMO but still possible. This is not the same as a C&D which would affect all Macross influenced classics.

Since Speck can't say much about all of this I think 1 is the most likely, especially if CGL is close to releasing a new box set and/or lance packs. I am really hoping they are close as I have some disposable income I want to spend on something worthwhile.

I'm thinking 1 or 3. I can't think that Speck would have to keep confidentiality if the mold were broken -- all he'd have to say is "the mold's broken, sorry, we'll get 'er back up and running as soon as we can."

I have to disagree. It still does not come close to the original source material but is a much better rendition than the PP art/minis. Some may feel as you do, and I do like the primitive much better than the PP version, but there isn't a lot that looks the same. Just my 2 cents.

So lets stick to the following1. Internal issue between CGL and IWM - Wasp/Valkyrie were to be in plastic first and IWM goofed on their rotation. Logical, we do know that IWM is scheduled to produce 12 in metal.2. Production issue - cracked/broken mold for the Wasp, no mold until recently for the Valkyrie which would be inline with the removal of both from the current release schedule3. A POLITE word from HG asking for CGL to make slight changes to the Wasp/Valkyrie as they may still be too close to the source material. Least likely IMO but still possible. This is not the same as a C&D which would affect all Macross influenced classics.

Or we could not add unfounded speculation and incorrect facts to the discussion.1. Nope. 2. Still not correct on the Valk.3. We've already discussed why that would be unlikely, though I'm not in a position to offer a hard no.

I'll throw out a #4: things are being organized behind the scenes to coordinate a big launch sometime in the near future. Again, I'm not privy to high-level discussion, and wouldn't be allowed to say anything if I was. I did notice a total lack of positive options and figured adding one might be worthwhile."When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left - however improbable - must be the truth." Now where's my Sherlock Holmes smiley?

On 2, you said it yourself up thread that first the mold wasn't complete and then a few days later it was. Reasoning behind that one.

I do like the idea for your 4th idea but at the same time something like that should allow for a limited information release rather than "can't say anything" and eerie silence.

It may be pointless to prattle on and on about the same old reasoning for all of this of idle speculation but these forums are good at that. Plus, I would rather advocate the middle case scenarios that seem most likely even if they aren't true rather than the worst case such as a C&D from HG which I find to be the least likely with a probability of .001%.

Even a "stay positive its not what you think" from Speck would shut many of us up and then we could all laugh and dance with the unicorns

On 2, you said it yourself up thread that first the mold wasn't complete and then a few days later it was. Reasoning behind that one.

Please do not change my words; I most certainly did not say that the mold had been made, as you can see from the quote below. My reply was that your assertion of the lack of a mold being a big issue holding up production was not the reason for the delay. It still isn't. The plan for release changed, which means not having a mold today, or last week, or last month is nothing to be concerned about.

Or we could not add unfounded speculation and incorrect facts to the discussion.1. Nope. 2. Still not correct on the Valk.3. We've already discussed why that would be unlikely, though I'm not in a position to offer a hard no.

I'll throw out a #4: things are being organized behind the scenes to coordinate a big launch sometime in the near future. Again, I'm not privy to high-level discussion, and wouldn't be allowed to say anything if I was. I did notice a total lack of positive options and figured adding one might be worthwhile."When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left - however improbable - must be the truth." Now where's my Sherlock Holmes smiley?

I prefer this positive hopeful #4 possibility. Have no idea what's going on and want to hope for the best!

My awesome inside sources have discovered the real reason for the discontinued Wasp.

Catalyst has decided to go with the one handed version instead, and insisted the Wasp be resculpted in a "Six Million Dollar Man" running pose, complete with speed lines. The Valkyrie is being held up because all hands are involved on trying to figure out how to do that.

To make up for the delay, Iron Wind Metals intends to cast the mini in 24 carat gold (at the same price point), as well as offering a free kitten (hairless breeds in adorable little sweaters available for those with allergies) with every purchase over ten dollars.

Hey, they can't all be predictions of doom.

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Catalyst has decided to go with the one handed version instead, and insisted the Wasp be resculpted in a "Six Million Dollar Man" running pose, complete with speed lines. The Valkyrie is being held up because all hands are involved on trying to figure out how to do that.

Hopefully, the Valkyrie will also be in a full-on running pose, then we will get this sexy action:

My awesome inside sources have discovered the real reason for the discontinued Wasp.

Catalyst has decided to go with the one handed version instead, and insisted the Wasp be resculpted in a "Six Million Dollar Man" running pose, complete with speed lines. The Valkyrie is being held up because all hands are involved on trying to figure out how to do that.

Hey, they can't all be predictions of doom.

I hope you are correct and not just kidding, I lived through unseen being pulled before, I dont know if I can take going through that again

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I may have a low amount of posts but I have a PHD in Battletech and mechs older then most people on this board!

If CGL pulled it for that reason. I think it's kinda dumb. Only because they're effectively trigging us players without being at least transparent what their doing.

I should point out that I have no awesome inside sources and was just kidding.

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Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

I saw Speck today and mentioned that I was NOT going to ask him about the Wasp and Valkyrie, and he said that if I were to ask him, the answer would be the same as what he posted here. What can you take away from that statement? That Speck is a stand-up guy who is true to his word, and that whatever is going on is probably not happeneing at a level where he is in the middle of it to give out info even if he wanted to.

Hilariously, there was another fan who heard me talking about this and he predicted that it was all HG's fault and that we wouldn't be getting unseen as long as they were in business. It was a real life-imitating-the-forms moment. Who knows, that guy may be right, or it could be something's else entirely. Regardless, the Wasp and Valkyrie are off the table for now and will remain so until people who are not Speck decide otherwise.