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Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Originally Posted by Dynawing

honestly I think Kiritsugu's my least favorite character in this whole thing. And other things.

Kiritsugu is my favourite character. He knows what his goals are and does everything necessary to reach them. He doesn't play fair because playing fair is a sure way to give someone else the chance to win. He's very similar to saber. He is willing to sacrifice everything for his goal - Saber sacrificed everything she had to serve her country. Very beautiful.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Originally Posted by Zelos Wilder

LUCK OF THE IRISH EH

pfft

Anyway, I just watched the new episode, and yeah, I second Lancer deserving a better death than that. The whole thing was tragic, I guess (especially how Kayneth actually did something vaguely redeeming by sacrificing the Grail for his fiancee, even though it was an unrequited love), but since two of the three characters who died were dicks, it wasn't as sad as it could've been.

Gotta say, I forgot how much I enjoyed Maiya. Slicing off Sola's arm? Badass.

I'm honestly not sure what to think about the whole Kiritsugu thing. On one hand, I really like that they're bringing out his anti-hero side (what are you doing to my concept of morality Urobuchi ;-; ) but at the same time, I guess there's a really fine line to walk between making Kiritsugu a fascinating dark hero and making him cross some sort of moral event horizon which just makes you lose all sympathy for him.

And I'm still really hoping that Gate of Babylon vs. Ionian Hetairoi happens.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Originally Posted by Lenore

pfft

Anyway, I just watched the new episode, and yeah, I second Lancer deserving a better death than that. The whole thing was tragic, I guess (especially how Kayneth actually did something vaguely redeeming by sacrificing the Grail for his fiancee, even though it was an unrequited love), but since two of the three characters who died were dicks, it wasn't as sad as it could've been.

Gotta say, I forgot how much I enjoyed Maiya. Slicing off Sola's arm? Badass.

I'm honestly not sure what to think about the whole Kiritsugu thing. On one hand, I really like that they're bringing out his anti-hero side (what are you doing to my concept of morality Urobuchi ;-; ) but at the same time, I guess there's a really fine line to walk between making Kiritsugu a fascinating dark hero and making him cross some sort of moral event horizon which just makes you lose all sympathy for him.

And I'm still really hoping that Gate of Babylon vs. Ionian Hetairoi happens.

As for Kiritsugu, I think they're doing a pretty good job so far. That speech to Saber (Or Iri, considering) was very well spoken- definitely enough to make me feel sorry for the guy. Also, didn't Rider imply that the attack on Cthulhu would deplete the soldiers in his reality marble? Unless they regenerate, I'm not entirely sure on Ionian Hetairoi's mechanics.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Spoiler: My Reactions

- Maiya slicing Sola's hand off came off as really funny to me. Just how quick and calm she was about it. Bad ass, girl! Why don't you get more fan attention?
- Similarly, Kayneth's slowly scooting away after shooting Risei had me in stitches. Does this make me a bad person?
- I'd feel more pity for Kayneth when his fiancee was kidnapped if he wasn't such a dick.
- Being Lancer is suffering.
- Oh, Saber's low on mana? Hey. Laaaaaancer. Pullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullas hiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroupullashiroup ullashirou
- Saber, the only thing that grants me peace is your fighting spirit.Get. A. Room.
- NOW KISS!
- This is not kissing.
- Cool bgm though.
- So chivalrous. Now kiss.
- Kayneth is a creeper, watching them fight like that. Doesn't he know that this is the Heroic Spirit equivalent of sex? (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.)
- Oh &&&&, Kiritsugu. Holding Sola hostage like that, eh? Hardass.
- Oooh, more exposition on random nasuverse magic. I love this magic system.
- Smooth, Kiritsugu. But I like how you only mentioned you hurting them.
- Oh, &&&&. Lancer. Lancer. Lancer. You were supposed to have thousands of knight babies with Saber. No. No. No.
- Oh, thanks Lancer, for screwing the War up. Nice. And why did you think that Saber was in on it and he was doing it for his love and and and
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- People getting bent out of shape by Kiritsugu's actions. Man, Kiritsugu is pretty much exactly what Shirou would be if he realized exactly what he was fighting for. I really want to see SN!Archer meet Kiritsugu now. Even if Kiritsugu had let them go, Kayneth or Sola would have gone after him at some point (probably Sola, because Lancer).
- Kiritsugu's speech was really impressive. I liked it. Still, Saber has some good points too... feels and philosophy? Have I gone to heaven?
- Also, 'Kiritsugu spoke to me three times'. LOLNOPE.
- Oh &&&&. Iri.

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

&&&&, son.

&&&&.

This episode was crazy. Anyway, I feel that Kiritsugu is someone I can feel bad for. I mean, you guys have seen the episode where he's asking Iri if they can take Illyasviel and just run away from it all, right? Whenever I find myself thinking they've pushed him past the point of me being able to feel sorry for him, I remember that. I remember what Kiritsugu is like when he doesn't have his dead eyes on. I think that helps.

Anyway, the last speech was really well done, and it was interesting to see Saber going from "oh my god this man is a monster" to "...but what made him a monster".

And he's still not as bad as Gilles in that regard. And we all felt bad for him so shut up

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Ah, I was craving a good episode with Gil and Kirei. Good to see that something finally happened with that, and I definitely enjoyed this one. Even if the symbolism of Kirei literally stabbing Tokiomi in the back with a Tohsaka family dagger was painfully heavy-handed.

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Originally Posted by Pat55word

The nico subs suck though -_-

But omg so cuuuuute.

I like Nico's commenters though

Yeah, Kerry was such an adorable child, as was Shirley. I just wish that we could have seen her death - it would have been a great storytelling tactic, and I'm surprised that the Urobutcher chose to let us go without it.

He were not hanged. He would not answer aye or nay to his indictment; for if he denied the charge they'd hang him surely, and auction out his property. So he stand mute, and died Christian under the law. And so his sons will have his farm. It is the law, for he could not be con-demned a wizard without he answer the indictment, aye or nay... Great stones they lay upon his chest until he plead aye or nay. They say he give them but two words. "More weight," he says. And died.

Re: Fate/Zero [Spoilers within, enter at your own risk]

Originally Posted by Eruedraith

Urobutcher

This is the best nickname ever.

Anyway, yeah, this ep was cute (young Kerry is strangely easy to like). I was expecting Kerry's backstory to be adorable, but then... uh, holy &&&&. Anyway, the next ep looks to be even better. Looking forward to seeing Kiritsugu turn into the morally ambiguous guy we all know and... uh, have mixed opinions on.