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On 08 Jul 1630 in Soulbury Parish, Buckinghamshire,
England, Elizabeth LOVETT, d/o Robert and Anne SAUNDERS Lovett
of Liscombe, Soulbury Parish, m John COMBE, s/o
John and Margaret
ARCHDALE Combe who m 11 Dec 1587
in St. Antholin's Parish, Budge Row, London. Robert LOVETT, father
of Elizabeth LOVETT Combe, d in 1643 at Sparsholt, Berkshire,
which is where John and Elizabeth LOVETT Combe were residing
at the time with their children, including son, Archdale COMBE,
b in 1641 in Soulbury Parish, Buckinghamshire.

Combs-Lovett Families

A Comparison of the
Burke Extinct and Dormant Pedigrees
and the
Harleian Society Visitations

By Combs Researcher Denise Mortorff

In looking for primary sources to validate the lineage of Combes
and allied families, it is worthwhile to compare the Burke
Extinct and Dormant Pedigrees and the Harleian Society
Visitations (See Vince Griffin's Lovett
Family Lineages)
to see what differences may exist between these two versions of
the LOVETT lineage of which Elizabeth LOVETT who married John
COMBES at Soulbury, Bucks, England descends. The generations are
named as they appear in order as presented in the Burke lineage.
See Also comparison to History of Bucks
under Direct Descendancey below; and the Lovett Ecclesiastical Memorials.

Gen 9 Agrees with Harleian Gen.8. Harleian names John Lovetts wife Margaret. Bucks adds her surname is d'INGLETON. This is gen.11 of Burke that states they are also of the Manor of Helemeden, Northamptonshire.

Gen.11 Agrees with Harleian Gen.11. John Lovett of Liscombe. Burke indicates this is the John married to Margaret d'Ingleton, but this mar. is accounted for earlier by both Bucks and Harleian with another John Lovett.

12.Simon LOVETT, although not ascribed to son William, son Thomas of Astwell, Northampton acquired land in Oxford & Gloucester, by his marriage to Joan, dau. & co-heir of Thomas BILLINGE, knt and Chief Justice of Common Pleas

12.Simon LOVET of Lyscombe Bucks, esq.

Gen.12 Agrees with Burke & Harleian

13.William LOVETT esq. of Liscombe

13.Richard LOVETT 2nd son

Gen.13 Agrees with Harleian Gen. 13.
Richard Lovett 2nd son. Bucks indicates the names of sons and also shows Richard as the 2nd son in line of descendancy.

14.Roger LOVETT esq. of Liscombe

14.Thomas LOVETT esq. of Liscombe m. a dau of NEVILL of Gothurst

15.Richard LOVETT esq. of Liscombe m. Alice, daughter of Thomas MARTIN of London

Gen.15 Agrees with Burkes Gen 16 & Harleian Gen. 15. Agrees with Harleian on the parentage of Elizabeth as Reginald WILLIAMS of Berks. although Burke of Binfield, not Burvield. Clarifies further that Reginals is a sir and is the brother of John Lord WILLIAMS of Thame.

Gen.18 Agrees with Burke Gen. 19 with names of brothers -- Robert, Lawrence, Edward and Christopher. Descendancy is traced differently however: through Christopher Lovett. Bucks provides additional dates that appear to be more specific for the brothers than in Burke.

Conclusion -- There are some distinct differences in this
lineage prior to Gen.12. Specifically, there is disagreement
at Burke generations 4/5,8/9/10,11/12, and 12/13; and at Harleian
generation 10. Not all generations are represented by Harleian.
This means that the closer forward in time Burke more closely
matches the Buck History, while Harliaen more fits closely for
a large part of the middle part of the lineage. There are some
similarities that need to be noted between Burke and Harleian
since they appear to believe that there as a generation or more
that includes the name Roger Lovett. These should not be discounted
and all data should be taken into consideration when using this
to document this lineage as accurately as possible. Denise Mortorff

The reason for making this comparison is to be certain the differences
in descendancy are obvious and the implications for researching
this lineage further are apparent. Also, once researching at the
manorial level or in land records it will be apparent where land
holdings were stated, not as concrete evidence, but as clues as
to where to begin searching in associated records; i.e., parishes,
etc. Also, the siblings and their surnames may assist us in locating
family members; i.e., Archdale COMBE to verify if he is
merely contemporary or is the same person as Archdale COMBES
of Old Rappahannock County, VA. I would not view either
lineage as perfect or better than the other, but as useful in
finding primary documentation that will support this lineage further
by those who find they descend through the union of Elizabeth
LOVETT and John COMBES married at Soulbury Parish, Bucks.
Please feel free to advise or question this data since I could
have quite easily made mistakes. This took an inordinate amount
of time to figure out and I have no doubts there could be errors.

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