I could try and debate how Wolfesbane could defeat Kaine but I will not insult your intelligence. Wolfesbane can turn into a wolf with heightened sense of agility and strength whereas Kaine is a clone of Spiderman.

She is a magnificent wolf and Kaine is an ugly scarred version of Spiderman. There are so many clones of him and only one version of mine. Do you really want to vote for a bad copy of a good character when you could vote for an original character like mine…. :D

Heimdall is a God of Asgard. He serves at the gates as a guard. His senses are such that he can hear sap running through trees miles away from him. His vision is also of similar standard. Obviously, he can sense where Nova is at any time. Heimdalll is also a consummate warrior with skills he has honed over Millenia.

Nova is not as strong and certainly does not have the skills of an Asgardian God.

Heimdall could avoid any attack from a long distance as he will be able to hear it or see it from miles away using his Asgardian superhuman speed to avoid it. This Nova also does not have the mastery of the Nova from Annihilation so he cannot use his powers to the utmost potential whereas Heimdall has thousands of years of experience behind him.

In summary, Heimdall's senses will allow him to avoid any attacks by Nova while surprising Nova with his superiour Asgardian strength and speed.

On a side note, Heimdall was once inhabited with the Odin force which shows how noble and skilled a warrior he was. Otherwise, Odin would have never passed it onto him.

While not as powerful as some characters, Arkon easily has enough power and ability to take out Owl.

One of Owl's main advantages over his foes is his intelligence. He is rather crafty, but so is Arkon. Arkon is from Polemachus, which is an alien planet that loves nothing more than war. Since his birth he has been schooled in the tactics of battle and has exceeded every other Polemachian in the art of combat. Simply put, since his birth, he has lived and breathed all the various types of warfare, including one-on-one matches.

Besides his excellent knowledge of battle, he also has a formidable weapon in his lightning bolts. There are 3 kinds. One teleports whomever it hits to a different place, the other two are explosives. The weaker explosives is like being hit with 10 pounds of TNT, which is more than deadly if it hit Owl. It has even knocked Thor to the ground before (although it didn't hurt him, just knock him off his feet). The final arrow is much more powerful and is the equivalent of 20 tons of TNT. Enough to shatter a small mountain.

The only advantage Owl really has in this fight is that he can glide, but that's it. Also, he can't fly, only glide for about a block. He could probably dodge some of Arkon's arrows for a bit, but eventually, he will glide back to the ground where any dodging advantage he had will be gone. Also, even if Owl does have the slightest advantage in mobility, he has no long ranged attacks to use against Arkon. He would still have to fight him hand-to-hand and Arkon is considered the greatest warrior of his entire planet and is physically stronger than Owl.

Another thing to note is that while villians usually have a slight edge since they are willing to kill (unlike heroes), this is not Arkon's case (if he can even be considered a hero). On more than one occassion he has tried to destroy Earth to save his planet. While he did try to destroy Earth with noble intentions, it still shows that he has no problem with actually killing people in battle.

All of this adds up to a pretty one-sided match where Owl might be able to dodge Arkon's blasts for a little while, but would eventually fall to Arkon.

Phaedrus45

10-13-2006 11:35 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

LOCATION REMINDER:

This week's battles take place on the Blue Area of the Moon.

An artificial, self-sustaining Earthlike environment on the far side of The Moon, the Blue Area was created roughly 100,000 years ago as part of a competition between two alien races, the Kree and the Cotati. The Skrulls moderated this contest, whose goal was to determine the worthiness of both races by discovering which could create a more suitable habitation. The Skrulls changed later on, becoming warmongers. The Cotati won the contest by creating a long-term sustainable ecosystem, but the Kree angrily rebelled and overthrew the Skrulls, stole their starship, and initiated the millennia-long conflict now known as the Kree-Skrull War.Its Role in Storylines
The Blue Area has played a pivotal role in many events of the Marvel Universe. It was the site of the first battle between the Fantastic Four and the Red Ghost. It is also the home of Uatu the Watcher. For many years, it was the location of Attilan, home city of the Inhumans. But it is perhaps best known as the site of the epic ending to the Dark Phoenix Saga, where, to prevent herself from endangering any more lives, Jean Grey committed suicide.
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Heimdall, a standard Asgardian warrior only possesses limited super strength, about 30 tons, his skin is only about 3 times as dense as a human, and other superhuman physical attributes.

Nova, possesses the Nova force, flight, enhanced strenght, speed and durability. His suit allows protection from harsh weather conditions and the ability to breathe in space.

This match comes down to heimdall's super senses, vision and hearing and Nova's use of the Nova force. Quite simply put, Nova wins quite easily as he outclasses heimdall in Speed and agility thanks to the Nova force and he eloquently put, hits real hard. Heimdall being an Asgardian warrior will put up a real good fight, and its commeneded but Nova outclasses him in every way possible. It should also be noted that nova's helmet is able to pick up radio and heat transmissions so Heimdall isnt able to outclass him in the sense department. The asgardian is able to move fast and take a lot of hits, but Nova hits harder and is faster. Simply put, while we'll get a good match up and Nova will take a couple of good hits, Nova will come out on top.

Trigger

10-13-2006 01:07 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Owl would rarely go the animalistic combat route in combat, something he wouldn't do against a guy would explosive arrows. In fact, he'd be more likely to dodge the arrows and wait for Arkon to run out, and he has more than enough physical strength to engage Arkon in hand-to-hand combat.

Also, Owl is a well-known manipulator, and shouldn't have to much trouble out witting Arkon. In the time it'd take Arkon to launch an arrow and reload, Owl would be to close for it to be effective.

Havoc has the ability to absorb ambient stellar energy and reemits it as a focused plasma blast strong enough to melt steel or fry a person.

Shadrac is constantly consumed in intense flames which he could manipulate in the form of blasts emitted from his hands or an aura he could expand at will. It is unknown what high temperatures he could reach, but Shadrac was able to melt metal at the touch of his hands.

Its clear this will be a close match but Havok is in freaking space. What better place to be able to absorb cosmic/stellar energy than in freaking space! Shadrac would be a formidable foe but considering that the same flames Shadrac uses are killing him as well, its clear Havoc has an advantage. Simply put, while both have somewhat similar powers, Havoc would easily over power Shadrac.

kytrigger

10-13-2006 03:02 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

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Originally Posted by Trigger

This is all assuming that Owl would go the animalistic combat route in combat, something he wouldn't do against a guy would explosive arrows. In fact, he'd be more likely to dodge the arrows and wait for Arkon to run out, and he has more than enough physical strength to engage Arkon in hand-to-hand combat.

Rebuttal

While Owl does have heightened strength, it's not as much as Arkon has. Also, Owl is known as a manipulator. He rarely fights himslef nad has his minions do the dirty work while he plans. While tht has worked for him in the past, it does him absolutely no good in this fight seeing as how he is completely alone. On the other hand, Arkon, who is stronger, is also a very skilled warrior. He is considered the absolute best on his planet, which centers it's life around warfare.

Also, it would be impossible for Owl to just keep dodging all of Arkon's energy bolts until he runs out. Maybe if Owl could fly, he would have a small chance, but he can only glide. This might allow him a little bit of extra manueverability for a time, it is nowhere near as much a flying would. Also, if Owl was dodging quite a few of the energy bolts, Arkon would just resort to using his powerful black bolts. These are equal to 20 tons of TNT. You don't have to hit the person with them to kill them. He could miss by 50 yards, and still be able to kill or greatly injure Owl with a blast like that.

JewishHobbit

10-13-2006 09:29 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Kaine Vs Wolfesbane

I like both characters, but I think Kaine has this one fairly easily. Wolfesbane is the basic beastile character with senses, claws, etc. The thing about Kaine though, is that he is a clone of Spidey plus some. His powers were never stated specifically in the comics, but the creaters have all stated outside of the pages that his powers are all upgraded exaggerations of Peter's. His limited ability to see the future is an extreme case of Spidey Sense. His 'Mark of Kaine' is an exageration of Peter's ability to stick to walls (basically sucks the crap out of someone's face to leave those scars). Etc. This means that he's faster and stronger than Peter as well, and that's dang impressive. He's also a known killer, and very skilled at it.

Here's a simple outline of the battle. The two are on the moon, which isn't special to either of them, and they are hunting one another. Both are expert hunters and they would find one another quickly. I do think that Wolfesbane would get the drop on Kaine first, but he would react quicker than she could handle. She may get a quick wound in, but Kaine would quickly throw her away with a punch or something of that nature. Wolfesbane would lose her cool and woudl attack, but Kaine would counter and just beat the crap out of her. Wolfesbane would probably flee, but Kaine would grow tired of the match and kinda vanish (in to shadows as he does often) and kinda show up again in Wolfebane's path. He'd pick her up by the throat and break it, and grant his first victom of the contest of marvels the pleasure of bearing the Mark of Kaine.

Winner - Kaine

JewishHobbit

10-13-2006 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahura Mazda

I could try and debate how Wolfesbane could defeat Kaine but I will not insult your intelligence. Wolfesbane can turn into a wolf with heightened sense of agility and strength whereas Kaine is a clone of Spiderman.

She is a magnificent wolf and Kaine is an ugly scarred version of Spiderman. There are so many clones of him and only one version of mine. Do you really want to vote for a bad copy of a good character when you could vote for an original character like mine…. :D

Heh... cute. Just so you know, we typically do awards after certain rounds, and one of my favorate categories is a section of humorous battle strategies. Keep working on it, and you may get an entry :)

This battle would be a difficult one, but the fact is Shadrac melts metal at a touch that means as soon as he gets within a couple feet of Havoc he would be able to kill him. I know this however would be difficult considering Havoc's power, but Shadrac fought Spiderman and manage to give him a good run and his agility is far supior to Havoc. This will be close but even if one of Shadrac's blasts gets a good hit this match is over.

Ahura Mazda

10-14-2006 04:44 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

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Originally Posted by Darthphere

Heimdall, a standard Asgardian warrior only possesses limited super strength, about 30 tons, his skin is only about 3 times as dense as a human, and other superhuman physical attributes.

Nova, possesses the Nova force, flight, enhanced strenght, speed and durability. His suit allows protection from harsh weather conditions and the ability to breathe in space.

Rebuttal

Heimdall is anything but standard. His strength is in that range and everything else about him is superhuman including his speed.

Nova's strength is only in the 20 ton range. Given Marvel's ranking, the difference between class 20 and class 30 is very big.

Therefore we are talking about a weaker character when we compare Nova to Heimdall.

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Originally Posted by Darthphere

This match comes down to heimdall's super senses, vision and hearing and Nova's use of the Nova force. Quite simply put, Nova wins quite easily as he outclasses heimdall in Speed and agility thanks to the Nova force and he eloquently put, hits real hard. Heimdall being an Asgardian warrior will put up a real good fight, and its commeneded but Nova outclasses him in every way possible. It should also be noted that nova's helmet is able to pick up radio and heat transmissions so Heimdall isnt able to outclass him in the sense department. The asgardian is able to move fast and take a lot of hits, but Nova hits harder and is faster. Simply put, while we'll get a good match up and Nova will take a couple of good hits, Nova will come out on top.

First of all, Nova does not outclass Heimdall in every way. In fact, it is Nova who is outclassed in terms of strength and Fighting prowess.

The speed factor is also questionable. Yes his outright travel speed is greater but are his reflexes? No they are not. They are comparable therefore in a fight, they would be on a level playing ground so far as fighting is concernned. Of course, Heimdall would be the one hitting harder with his arrays of weapons.

Let me say Nova would put up a good fight and it is commended, but he would be outclassed against an Asgardian God.

Just a little note this is not....I repeat not....Nova with the Worldmind. This is Nova, average centurion guard.

Ahura Mazda

10-14-2006 04:48 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by JewishHobbit

Heh... cute. Just so you know, we typically do awards after certain rounds, and one of my favorate categories is a section of humorous battle strategies. Keep working on it, and you may get an entry :)

I will be honest and say I started writing a battle but just could not see how, if they used their powers, Wolfesbane could defeat Kaine.

So I was in between Wolfesbane befreinding Kaine and tehn leading him to the Attilan where he would accidentally get killed by the Inhumans or write what I did aiming for the popularity vote.

There were 2 many clones of Spiderman made.

Darthphere

10-14-2006 01:29 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahura Mazda

Rebuttal

Heimdall is anything but standard. His strength is in that range and everything else about him is superhuman including his speed.

Nova's strength is only in the 20 ton range. Given Marvel's ranking, the difference between class 20 and class 30 is very big.

Therefore we are talking about a weaker character when we compare Nova to Heimdall.

First of all, Nova does not outclass Heimdall in every way. In fact, it is Nova who is outclassed in terms of strength and Fighting prowess.

The speed factor is also questionable. Yes his outright travel speed is greater but are his reflexes? No they are not. They are comparable therefore in a fight, they would be on a level playing ground so far as fighting is concernned. Of course, Heimdall would be the one hitting harder with his arrays of weapons.

Let me say Nova would put up a good fight and it is commended, but he would be outclassed against an Asgardian God.

Just a little note this is not....I repeat not....Nova with the Worldmind. This is Nova, average centurion guard.

Rebuttal: Even without the Worldmind Nova has the strenght, speed and agility to take down Heimdall. EVen though Heimdall is an Asgardian, I think youre overestimating his powers in this match. Nova would be able to move quicker, strike faster and harder than heimdall could. Strenght really isnt even an issue when you can hit a guy as fast as Nova can. Youre underestimating Nova in every which way. Also, the fact that Heimdall was in possession of the Odin Force at one point is irrelevant to this matchup.

JewishHobbit

10-14-2006 03:48 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahura Mazda

I will be honest and say I started writing a battle but just could not see how, if they used their powers, Wolfesbane could defeat Kaine.

So I was in between Wolfesbane befreinding Kaine and tehn leading him to the Attilan where he would accidentally get killed by the Inhumans or write what I did aiming for the popularity vote.

There were 2 many clones of Spiderman made.

Nah... only 3, and all three of them were cool characters. The rest were just mush things. Kaine, Ben Reilly, and Spidercide were all great! I'd love to see any of them return.

Ahura Mazda

10-14-2006 06:35 PM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darthphere

Rebuttal: Even without the Worldmind Nova has the strenght, speed and agility to take down Heimdall. EVen though Heimdall is an Asgardian, I think youre overestimating his powers in this match. Nova would be able to move quicker, strike faster and harder than heimdall could. Strenght really isnt even an issue when you can hit a guy as fast as Nova can. Youre underestimating Nova in every which way. Also, the fact that Heimdall was in possession of the Odin Force at one point is irrelevant to this matchup.

I realise his powers but his speed is limited by the location and of his heroic sense. He will not destroy the atmosphere by accelerated to too great a speed.

Therefore he may only be slightly faster then Heimdall when it comes to close fight. Heimdall has physical senses greater then any of the other asgardian gods...he would be able to hear Nova's muscles tensing before even a swing being thrown. heimdall would be able to dodge plus lets not forget he has a sword he knows how to use as an expert.

And Heimdall hitting Nova is no joke....nothing anyways Nova could take without feeling it. Plus Heimdall's sword could cut through Nova like through warm butter and as a warrior he will not shy away from doing so.

Arkon easily takes this battle. He outclasses Owl in physical strength, fighting ability, durability, and long ranged firepower (of which Owl has none). Owl is a genius, but when it comes to knowledge of battles and wars, Arkon is one of the best in the MU and is right up there with Cap and Fury and easily trumps Owl in this category as well. If this was on who could plan a better bank robbery, then that's one thing, but this is battle, and nobody outshines Arkon in that department.

The only thing Owl even has going for him is that he can glide. Not fly, glide...for about a block. While this gives him a little more maneuverability, it is nowhere near the same as actually flying, and Arkon would eventually hit Owl with one of his energy bolts.

You can try and claim that Arkon would keep missing until he ran out of ebergy bolts, but that won't happen. Even if Arkon did run out of his normal explosive bolts, he would then just use his all powerful bolts that are equal to 20 tons of TNT. These can shatter mountains, you don't even have to be that accurate with them. Hell, Arkon could close his eyes and just throw it and Owl would still probably be blown up from the blast.

Arkon is from the planet Polemachus. A planet where war is everything to them (much like the Spartans). From that entire planet of gung-ho warriors, Arkon is the absolute best. He lives for battle, and relishes defeating his opponent. The only dissapointment for Arkon in this battle is that it would simply be over too quickly without any real challenge for him.

Winner: Arkon

Phaedrus45

10-17-2006 11:10 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Voting May Begin!!!

Darthphere

10-17-2006 11:11 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Do I have to vote for my character?

Darthphere

10-17-2006 11:15 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

Kaine
Havoc
Nova
Arkon

Phaedrus45

10-17-2006 11:24 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

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Originally Posted by Darthphere

Do I have to vote for my character?

lol...You can vote for whoever you like. Last season, there were times when a character didn't even get a vote from their own owner.

Phaedrus45

10-17-2006 11:26 AM

Re: Contest of Marvels II Thread 4

*Kaine

*Havoc - (Excellent match-up, and in the end I had to give it to the character with more experience. But, it would be a very close match.)