Leaving bombs out of the equation, because presumably will take them a while to get all the stuff ready and what not, isn't it more worrying that the NK's are messing around with a nuclear facility [again]? Natural disasters strike, plus they are a bunch of crazy people; safety protocols, construction.... Isn't a Chernobyl &/or Fukushima f-up more of a threat than chubby doing any harm by getting all war-mongery?

ACunningPlan:Leaving bombs out of the equation, because presumably will take them a while to get all the stuff ready and what not, isn't it more worrying that the NK's are messing around with a nuclear facility [again]? Natural disasters strike, plus they are a bunch of crazy people; safety protocols, construction.... Isn't a Chernobyl &/or Fukushima f-up more of a threat than chubby doing any harm by getting all war-mongery?

I just asked that above, no one seems to think so but frankly if we reach THAT point, China needs to man up and take the toys out of their hands.

seniorgato:colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

We didn't get one friggen gallon of oil and our gas prices went from like $1.00 to $4.00. If it was about Oil, we screwed up royally.

It's wasn't for the good of the public, it was for the good of the Military Industrial Complex. It was a wonderful proving ground for the current generation of military hardware. They even got to design, build, and deliver a few new vehicles like the MRAP. It also got all the contracts to build bases, rebuild infrastructure, train personnel, feed the military, provide security etc etc. The MIC is still wary of getting involved in anything in east Asia because it's a logistical nightmare and the profit margins are slim.

awalkingecho:Anyone think there's a chance the restructuring of the mothballed reactors will just wind up being a giant Chernobyl-esque fiasco and solve the problem itself?

That would be interesting as all fark.... What would happen If a north korean nuclear reactor melted down, and started sending radiation into china, SK, and japan? If the north koreans could not contain it, would the world have to take down the regime just to fix it?

PerilousApricot:Because right now, they have NK separating 10billion US/SK troops from their border. If NK fell and we took over, we'd be way too close for their comfort

If i were China, i would use the treaty as a bargaining chip:

"We will break our treaty with the NK and not come to their defense should you go to war on these conditions:

1. When the conflict is over, the US pulls back to SK, and allow the rebuild/annexing of NK to be handled by China1a. leaving negotiating room to include: A joint taskforce between China and SK with US/UN oversight to rebuild/reintegrate NK

2. China is awarded all mineral and developmental rights to the former NK2a. leaving negotiating room to split with SK for 50/50

Unless these conditions are met, we feel we are obligated to continue to honor the treaty with NK"

US then only has to worry about the actual combat, leaving any post-iraq financial syndrome to China/SK which would probably give the pentagon a huge viagra fueled boner...

Maul555:awalkingecho: Anyone think there's a chance the restructuring of the mothballed reactors will just wind up being a giant Chernobyl-esque fiasco and solve the problem itself?

That would be interesting as all fark.... What would happen If a north korean nuclear reactor melted down, and started sending radiation into china, SK, and japan? If the north koreans could not contain it, would the world have to take down the regime just to fix it?

I think it would be a global necessity that we would have to do precisely that.

awalkingecho:ACunningPlan: Leaving bombs out of the equation, because presumably will take them a while to get all the stuff ready and what not, isn't it more worrying that the NK's are messing around with a nuclear facility [again]? Natural disasters strike, plus they are a bunch of crazy people; safety protocols, construction.... Isn't a Chernobyl &/or Fukushima f-up more of a threat than chubby doing any harm by getting all war-mongery?

I just asked that above, no one seems to think so but frankly if we reach THAT point, China needs to man up and take the toys out of their hands.

Thank you. Agreed, it is to be hoped if NK run into a problem, China does take charge.

DubtodaIll:seniorgato: colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

We didn't get one friggen gallon of oil and our gas prices went from like $1.00 to $4.00. If it was about Oil, we screwed up royally.

It's wasn't for the good of the public, it was for the good of the Military Industrial Complex. It was a wonderful proving ground for the current generation of military hardware. They even got to design, build, and deliver a few new vehicles like the MRAP. It also got all the contracts to build bases, rebuild infrastructure, train personnel, feed the military, provide security etc etc. The MIC is still wary of getting involved in anything in east Asia because it's a logistical nightmare and the profit margins are slim.

When dudes like you take a shiat, do you factor the Military-Industrial Complex into it?

Well in Roman times when the Roman army conquered some new land the money that came from that was divided up equally among all Roman citizens. In a couple cases this meant the poorer among them got near a year's income in one fell swoop.

CeroX:1. When the conflict is over, the US pulls back to SK, and allow the rebuild/annexing of NK to be handled by China

That one will never happen. Even China, publicly, agrees that both North Korea and South Korea are Korea. Nominally, this is still a Civil War.

In 1865 terms, China is like if Great Britain had backed the Confederacy. No matter how much they farked up, the southern states were never going to become part of Great Britain, and eventually the US would be unified again.

way south:HMS_Blinkin: If they managed to get a warhead to an American city (which is near impossible) I would say the chances of us retaliating with nuclear weapons of our own are barely above zero. There's no point nuking a place that's that backward

For starters, I'm not so sure that getting a nuke into America is impossible. Our borders are far from air tight. Someone with enough determination and luck could sneak a payload within blast range the same way people sneak in trailer loads of drugs.

Second, we've got to consider that someone with one nuke might have two.Do we have time to wait for a conventional land army to dismantle that place?

Not that we'd want to encourage the use of these weapons, but we also wouldn't want to lose another city.

Someone's receiving payola from Homeland security after having built a WOPR in their garage from a bucket, broom, Lite-brite and a Merlin.

WhyteRaven74:Well in Roman times when the Roman army conquered some new land the money that came from that was divided up equally among all Roman citizens. In a couple cases this meant the poorer among them got near a year's income in one fell swoop.

BgJonson79:colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

In fairness, we thought they still had WMDs because we had the receipts...

That's always been my pet theory on the WMDs, and not just the US, other countries' paw prints too. Plus people who want something badly, don't always tell the whole truth; possibly a few fishermans' tales came from the Iraqi dissidents.

This text is now purple:CeroX: 1. When the conflict is over, the US pulls back to SK, and allow the rebuild/annexing of NK to be handled by China

That one will never happen. Even China, publicly, agrees that both North Korea and South Korea are Korea. Nominally, this is still a Civil War.

In 1865 terms, China is like if Great Britain had backed the Confederacy. No matter how much they farked up, the southern states were never going to become part of Great Britain, and eventually the US would be unified again.

i might be over simplifying the terms, but i didn't necessarily mean that NK would become annexed by chuna, just that china would oversee the annex/reintegration

This would basically allow china to have a lot of control as to where and how NK get rebuilt and may even allow china to swoop in and set up some new factories for some of it's manufacturing operations since they are experienced in getting back hill hicks integrated into working heavy equipment for next to nothing while getting those bumpkins to believe they are living like kings (and compared to how they used to live, eating dirt and all that, they would be)...

generallyso:WhyteRaven74: Well in Roman times when the Roman army conquered some new land the money that came from that was divided up equally among all Roman citizens. In a couple cases this meant the poorer among them got near a year's income in one fell swoop.

I don't think the Roman army is in business anymore.

And 'Roman Citizen' didn't include slaves, who were the majority of the population in Rome.

MNguy:generallyso: WhyteRaven74: Well in Roman times when the Roman army conquered some new land the money that came from that was divided up equally among all Roman citizens. In a couple cases this meant the poorer among them got near a year's income in one fell swoop.

I don't think the Roman army is in business anymore.

And 'Roman Citizen' didn't include slaves, who were the majority of the population in Rome.

Conquest, also, does not exactly fit the definition of 'War' as we know and use it today.

It's amazing how conveniently people forget this. Further, that Iraq had recently been lobbing Scuds at Israel and pursuing a chemical weapons program at the same time. The fear was real. From NK... not so much. We already beat them into submission in 1953.

It's an empty threat isn't it? For instance. Bruce nuclear power station here in Ontario, Canada, mothballed a reactor in 1995. It took $2.5 Billion dollars to bring it back up to speed, and Canada is a leader in nuclear technology with access to correct parts and technology. It's takes 5-7 years to recondition and bring a reactor back on line with proper equipment and money. I doubt Best Korea could scrape together 2.5 dollars let alone billions. And they're years behind in parts and technology. I doubt you'll ever see these sh*t heads ever bring that reactor back.

Serious question: what does North Korea have to benefit by goading South Korea/USA into making the first strike? I understand that in all likelihood all this attention seeking behavior is supposed to pressure the UN into giving NK aid, but as the stakes get higher all they're really doing is painting a big target on their nuclear power station/refinery/thingamajig. Surely they are at least in some way aware of this.

Also, in regards to China strengthening it's military presence on the boarder: I don't think China is really interested in direct conflict, it's one thing to let the regime commit suicide by attacking SK (potentially), but after all the time and energy spent standing up for NK, it would be embarrassing to do a 180 now. They're still a communism, after all, just a far more open one. More likely China is securing the border in the event of 25 million Koreans fleeing the evil capitalist invaders, IMO.

Lehk:if Best Korea up and decided to knock off the bullshiat and wanted to have trade relations with South Korea, it would be signed by the end of the day.

Which is why China is backing off Best Korea, there are some minimal trade relations right now. SK has a few factories in the north right across the border where skilled workers go to build shiat for NK. Its a massive influx of cash yet Fatty Mcfaterson is threatening to close it down.

When he did that, not the nuke threat mind you, but when Best Korea threatened to shut down economic relations, that's when the entire world including China took a collective look at Kim and asked "Dude really?"

sodomizer:Dick Gozinya: Iraq didnt have an ally like China watching their back.

It's amazing how conveniently people forget this. Further, that Iraq had recently been lobbing Scuds at Israel and pursuing a chemical weapons program at the same time. The fear was real. From NK... not so much. We already beat them into submission in 1953.

Not to mention the attempted assassination of an ex president, which is an act of war.

orclover:nekom: Vodka Zombie: I would feel kind of bad if we nuked North Korea. The people there are pretty much political prisoners and completely ignorant of the planet.

It would be like blowing up a box of kittens.

But, hey! You guys go ahead with your nuclear holocaust fetish.

No one is going to nuke them. EVEN if they used a nuke, I seriously doubt anyone would respond with nuclear weapons. A few precision strikes could eliminate their ability to make war with hopefully a minimum of casualties. What happens after the dust settles though, well that's the big mystery.

If NK nuked SK, we would probably not nuke them, hell if they nuked Japan (which in a Joker way would be farking hilarious) we would only respond with low yield munitions.....and then watch as a pissed off Japan became a full fledged nuclear power in a matter of farking days. Farking nipon nukes with tentacles and shiat. However. If NK nuked the mainland United States, somehow, maybe by giant sling shot or something, the sitting POTUS would HAVE to nuke them back, at least once. Not to send a message to the world, but to make sure that we didnt end up with a GoP majority rule and President for the next farking millennia. Any less of a response would be the death of the controlling power.

DysphoricMania:MugzyBrown: I don't know why people seem to think a fight with N Korea would be cake.

Because it would be, if we had ground forces in place. It's more like pie at the moment... we would have air superiority overnight. We could decapitate the CnC abilities and air defenses within a week. However, you can't win a war with air power alone. Something going down with NoKo would be something similar like we did to Iraq back in '91...where we had a few weeks to load in the ground forces. Sure, we can do amphib attacks better than anyone, but that's limited in scale. We would need at least 2-4 weeks to move in troops, tanks, supplies... but we -could- do so should the need arise.

meanmutton:colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

What not having WMDs may look like: Warning: graphic, disturbing images of the civilian victims of Iraqi chemical weapons

Maybe he forgot about that and the 14+ stern letters and resolutions from the UN to Iraq. That and american oil companies did not get the oil, but dont let that change his koolaid narative of "Blood for Oil"

Joe Blowme:meanmutton: colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

What not having WMDs may look like: Warning: graphic, disturbing images of the civilian victims of Iraqi chemical weapons

Maybe he forgot about that and the 14+ stern letters and resolutions from the UN to Iraq. That and american oil companies did not get the oil, but dont let that change his koolaid narative of "Blood for Oil"

Never understood this completely made up stupid. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, directly and openly funded terror, fired on coalition aircraft thousands of times, but all libs think is we went in and stole all the oil.

colinspooky:Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

Iraq. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them. Decade+ of stern letters before someone enforced UN resolutions

Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them. Only been a little while since the saber started rattling

Kim is following the Saddam script precisely. Rattle saber, talk up WMDs, buy weapons from (former) communist power and receive lip service backing from them, then beg for food from the West with backing down as the compromise

Thunderpipes:Never understood this completely made up stupid. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, directly and openly funded terror, fired on coalition aircraft thousands of times, but all libs think is we went in and stole all the oil.

It must get lonely when you realize that everyone is ignoring you for being a troll, doesn't it?

Vodka Zombie:Thunderpipes: Never understood this completely made up stupid. Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, directly and openly funded terror, fired on coalition aircraft thousands of times, but all libs think is we went in and stole all the oil.

It must get lonely when you realize that everyone is ignoring you for being a troll, doesn't it?

I think you need an alt.

So which part of this is trolling? All i see is facts that are easily GIS for truth.

way south:HMS_Blinkin: If they managed to get a warhead to an American city (which is near impossible) I would say the chances of us retaliating with nuclear weapons of our own are barely above zero. There's no point nuking a place that's that backward

For starters, I'm not so sure that getting a nuke into America is impossible. Our borders are far from air tight. Someone with enough determination and luck could sneak a payload within blast range the same way people sneak in trailer loads of drugs.

Second, we've got to consider that someone with one nuke might have two.Do we have time to wait for a conventional land army to dismantle that place?

Not that we'd want to encourage the use of these weapons, but we also wouldn't want to lose another city.

bhcompy:colinspooky: Iraq. No WMDs but has oil. Invade. Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them, but no oil. Stern letter.

Iraq. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them. Decade+ of stern letters before someone enforced UN resolutions

Best Korea. Yes WMDs or at least boasting such and threatening out loud to use them. Only been a little while since the saber started rattling

Kim is following the Saddam script precisely. Rattle saber, talk up WMDs, buy weapons from (former) communist power and receive lip service backing from them, then beg for food from the West with backing down as the compromise

OR...

Best Korea is the little annoying brother that likes to talk shiat and kick people then hide behind big brother. Little brother is hoping they will get their enemy into a fight with big brother. Big brother is annoyed at little brother, but big brother doesn't like little brother's enemy also, so secretly big brother is waiting for little brother's enemy to push them to get to little brother so they can beat the snot out of little brother's enemy without Mom & Dad stepping in.