Trolls are pretty damn huge though, taller than any other race when they stand up straight, and it's especially obvious since the best view we get shows him and Varian. I was more surprised at Garrosh's bulk really.

Getting the impression i'm the only one who thought the cinematic was really well done, all the characters fit their part, including Jaina.

Scratch that, wtf is up with Thrall... That's what i think a lot of you are skimming over, because ya'll think he cant put a foot wrong, THAT was not Thrall.

It is very WC3 Thrall. Its definitely not WotLK onwards Thrall but I dont think thats a bad thing. I think after WotLK and Cataclysm, the do no wrong Neutral Thrall needs to be toned down.

Originally Posted by Sesto

Very doubtful. Varian was just surprised that Thrall wasn't the new Warchief, I don't see how he looks like he is 'afraid' or something. Why would Vol'jin being the new Warchief even make a difference? Thrall is way more powerful than Vol'jin.

Because Thrall has always been very open to dealing with the Alliance in some way. Vol'Jin is depicted in Shadows of the Horde by the Alliance soldiers, as a human hunting machine. His reputation as well as the unknown - I mean how many times have Varian and Vol'Jin been in the same room with each other? Out of all the Horde leaders, Vol'Jin is probably the most unknown to the Alliance.

I don't think he is afraid, more cautious. Varian has dealth with Thrall before, he knows he is able to be reasoned with. Reasoning with a Troll? Especially one as proud as Vol'Jin - not as easy.

Because Thrall has always been very open to dealing with the Alliance in some way. Vol'Jin is depicted in Shadows of the Horde by the Alliance soldiers, as a human hunting machine. His reputation as well as the unknown - I mean how many times have Varian and Vol'Jin been in the same room with each other? Out of all the Horde leaders, Vol'Jin is probably the most unknown to the Alliance.

I don't think he is afraid, more cautious. Varian has dealth with Thrall before, he knows he is able to be reasoned with. Reasoning with a Troll? Especially one as proud as Vol'Jin - not as easy.

Vol'jin didn't even talk about anything with Varian, all he confirmed was he spoke for the horde, and Varian did all the talking.

I never said he did any talking with him. I said Vol'Jin has never really had many (in game atleast) encounters with Varian, coupled with his reputation amongst Alliance soliders, would probably cause Varian to be a bit uneasy or cautious in dealing with him, as depicted by his surprised look in the cinematic.

I'm curious about this as well. I don't see why there wouldn't be, but so far I haven't seen anyone post anything.

Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.

The ending proves how hollow was the premise of the whole expansion. Nobody apart from the 0.5% of players caring about not just the lore but the politics of the lore care than the uninteresting chain of command of any faction has a change. It's like the whole expansion lead to the switching of a government official.

I never said he did any talking with him. I said Vol'Jin has never really had many (in game atleast) encounters with Varian, coupled with his reputation amongst Alliance soliders, would probably cause Varian to be a bit uneasy or cautious in dealing with him, as depicted by his surprised look in the cinematic.

I think most of it was just surprise to be honest. Varian, after all, has not read Shadows of the Horde and wasn't aware of the foreshadowing of Vol'jin taking over the Horde. He likely assumed Thrall would reclaim the title and had to rethink what he was going to do when it turned out to be Vol'jin. He ultimately decided that Vol'jin was an acceptable choice and gave basically the same warning he planned to give Thrall.

Roleplaying, hardcore Raiding, running LFR on the occasional weekend, PvPing, rolling alts, achievement hunting, pet battling, or just enacting an endless series of whims, I don't care how you play WoW. Just as long as you have fun doing it.

Getting the impression i'm the only one who thought the cinematic was really well done, all the characters fit their part, including Jaina.

Scratch that, wtf is up with Thrall... That's what i think a lot of you are skimming over, because ya'll think he cant put a foot wrong, THAT was not Thrall.

I thought it was great. My only quibbles would be:

1) Yeah Thrall executing Garrosh right there is a bit out of character, but then again considering all he's done and the fact that this is the end of a punishing internecine civil war, and the fact Thrall feels personally responsible for him - maybe that makes sense.

2) Jaina's new direction. They basically swapped her and Varian because they decided the hotheaded idiot Varian needed to mature into a more responsible, thoughtful leader worthy of our respect (this I'm okay with). Unfortunately this means someone has to be the aggressive warmonger asshat and now it's Jaina, thanks to Theramore. Which sucks because I always liked Jaina. I hope they write her responsibly in future. I don't think she's RUINED FOREVER, but I hope they don't take her character too far for the sake of creating conflict.

3) Vol'Jin's face really needs some work (I know his model was relatively recently updated but still)... bring on that model update already!

Still horrendously disappointed that he's not dead or exiled, yet. The entire Goblin start was him trying to rob and kill the entirety of his people then trying to kill the former Warchief of the Horde and then going to Orgrimmar and being allowed to build a "pleasure palace" instead of getting a public execution? Writing staff went home early that day and let Bob from tech support finish the synopsis.

The ending proves how hollow was the premise of the whole expansion. Nobody apart from the 0.5% of players caring about not just the lore but the politics of the lore care than the uninteresting chain of command of any faction has a change. It's like the whole expansion lead to the switching of a government official.

ya the storytellign really is terrible, they need to do something about that it was just piss poor. The 180 approach to storytelling is the worst freaking approach one can take.