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Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Ppl always died in OP, just minor characters. The warriors in Alabasta, Sky Pia and so on. Well, I'm not saying those petrified men are dead, but I wouldn't be surprised if they indeed are. As to Ace and WB, I don't think they are exceptions. I do expect more on-screen kills.

Regarding Bon, I said it back then but I wasn't heard, so I will say it again. If the protagonists mourn their death with emotional expression, like for instance tears, they are pretty much confirmed dead. Sabo, Ace.. all those other character in the SHs past (flashback) for which the protagonists broke down in tears, are dead. However as Bon supposedly faced his end, despite Buggy making fun of him, Luffy still believed in his survival. That pretty much confirmed his well being.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by k-dom

The problem with Whitebeard and Ace deaths is that people think now we will see some more in One Piece when they were an exception.
Last big sacrifice with saw was Bonchan, isn't he in wonderful shape in Impel Down? Did the yeti brothers kill Brownbeard ?
Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the petrified guys were able to survive somehow.

I totally agree with you,sir! ace's death unleashed chaos because we didn't expect his death. WB's one followed ace's,but it wasn't as important as fire fist's death,since his death was quite needed to make the story go on. now we can't really consider Brownbeard's survival as a proof,but surely we won't see other characters' death for a while,maybe the last arc will change things,though.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

I don't have beef in this, but If I may:

Hisargument was that the first impression may often be deceiving. Bon was considered dead, but he turned out to be doing well. Same case with Brownbeard. Now k-dom used these two examples to support the idea, that the the petrified men in this chapter might be fine after all.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

The idea that Mononosuke is already dead is ridiculous, at best. He is not an important enough of a character that his death would have any impact on the audience. Nor would his death impact any of the established characters. Kinemon is to new a character, his grief at the death of his son probably would not resonate with many readers. The death of a character never introduced to the main cast, and never seen by the audience, would be almost entirely pointless.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by k-dom

The problem with Whitebeard and Ace deaths is that people think now we will see some more in One Piece when they were an exception.
Last big sacrifice we saw was Bonchan, isn't he in wonderful shape in Impel Down? Did the yeti brothers kill Brownbeard ?
Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if the petrified guys were able to survive somehow.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we not actually see Magellan 'kill' Bon-chan, but instead only see Magellan preparing to strike? Surely that is different from what is happening now, since these nameless fodder are actually getting 'killed' on screen?

Originally Posted by Kaiten

The idea that Mononosuke is already dead is ridiculous, at best. He is not an important enough of a character that his death would have any impact on the audience. Nor would his death impact any of the established characters. Kinemon is to new a character, his grief at the death of his son probably would not resonate with many readers. The death of a character never introduced to the main cast, and never seen by the audience, would be almost entirely pointless.

None of the main cast met Queen Otohime, but that didn't stop Oda from killing her...
Momonosuke doesn't have to be dead, he could be alive, he could even die in this arc, but I think its a little ridiculous to decide how important a character will be before we have any information on him.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by Tonix

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we not actually see Magellan 'kill' Bon-chan, but instead only see Magellan preparing to strike? Surely that is different from what is happening now, since these nameless fodder are actually getting 'killed' on screen?

None of the main cast met Queen Otohime, but that didn't stop Oda from killing her...

We don't really know if it really kills them or not, we got a confirmation of them being paralyzed, they might somehow have a chance to live, would be a great chance for Chopper to show of his medical skills and rescue the presumed dead.

Flashbacks for arcs are differernt to someone dying just recently Imo. Noland, Tom and Otohime were important to understand the actual plot and gave us some nice insight into the background of the characters and how they act. Don't know how that would be done with someone dying just recently

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by Schabrak

We don't really know if it really kills them or not, we got a confirmation of them being paralyzed, they might somehow have a chance to live, would be a great chance for Chopper to show of his medical skills and rescue the presumed dead.

Flashbacks for arcs are differernt to someone dying just recently Imo. Noland, Tom and Otohime were important to understand the actual plot and gave us some nice insight into the background of the characters and how they act. Don't know how that would be done with someone dying just recently

but they should really be dead,as the name of the weapon (shi-no-kuni) means "land of death" . I doubt chopper can even revive dead,however,he will prove to you his medical skills by saving the children,and probably nullifying the giant effects.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by Kaiten

The idea that Mononosuke is already dead is ridiculous, at best. He is not an important enough of a character that his death would have any impact on the audience. Nor would his death impact any of the established characters. Kinemon is to new a character, his grief at the death of his son probably would not resonate with many readers. The death of a character never introduced to the main cast, and never seen by the audience, would be almost entirely pointless.

kinemon is as established as sanji, usopp, and chopper were in the beginning. brook also got one arc before he joined. One arc and they joined so if kinemon cant resonate with the audience then by your logic, the previous characters i named wouldnt either.

Re: One Piece 676 Discussion/ 677 Prediction ~ One Piece is on break this week ~

Originally Posted by chess4

kinemon is as established as sanji, usopp, and chopper were in the beginning. brook also got one arc before he joined. One arc and they joined so if kinemon cant resonate with the audience then by your logic, the previous characters i named wouldnt either.

True, but I don't think there showcasting Kinemon enough on this arc, I REALLY think Oda will change up his "I got a arc, so now I'mma show off and join the Straw hat crew" it wouldn't be suprising that DD as well as the other broker is watching the video, and after they beat CC and vergo maybe even Monet (if she's not working with Law) flee and leave the island, then all the sudden DD use the video transmissioner telling Kinemon, Law, and the rest of the Straw hats that he'd captured Momonosuke, which upset Kinemon after he hear his son say "father help me" and Kinemon decides to leave at once, but the Straw hats join him to go save his son, that's when I think his real "showcasting" starts. I'm sure DD have many strong warriors for Luffy and the gang even Kinemon to fight. Also Law said "a samurai?" like he knew about him maybe helped capture his son who is a samurai too when he worked for DD? After the DD arc then I can see Kinemon join (maybe DD kills his son, it would be a really sad moment for the Straw hats because they couldn't save Kinemon son) *Just a guess*:

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