OS/2 shares most in common with Windows NT. Remember of course that it wasn't until Windows 2000 that Windows NT was really ready for the everyday user. Before then it's hardware requirements were also too steep and lack of DOS compatibility was also a major problem. In some ways OS/2 was too early but they had to launch early to try and see off Windows NT. If things had worked out a little differently I'm sure many people would be using a descendant of OS/2 now.

OS/2 had a lot of improvements and advantages to bring to the table, even when compared to NT 3.5.1 or NT4. But it had one fatal disadvantage: It wasn't adopted into business client pc world, because it didn't fit within the Soft- and Hardwarearchitectures back then.

You couldn't just take the advantages of OS/2 and integrate it into your NDS oder NT environment and profit.

If you compare OS/2 on it's own to WfW 3.11, W95 or NT4, it's the better system, flat out. But commercial success didn't happen.

OS/2 shares most in common with Windows NT. Remember of course that it wasn't until Windows 2000 that Windows NT was really ready for the everyday user. Before then it's hardware requirements were also too steep and lack of DOS compatibility was also a major problem. In some ways OS/2 was too early but they had to launch early to try and see off Windows NT. If things had worked out a little differently I'm sure many people would be using a descendant of OS/2 now.

Pappnaas wrote:

OS/2 had a lot of improvements and advantages to bring to the table, even when compared to NT 3.5.1 or NT4. But it had one fatal disadvantage: It wasn't adopted into business client pc world, because it didn't fit within the Soft- and Hardwarearchitectures back then.

You couldn't just take the advantages of OS/2 and integrate it into your NDS oder NT environment and profit.

If you compare OS/2 on it's own to WfW 3.11, W95 or NT4, it's the better system, flat out. But commercial success didn't happen.

We ran Gupta's SQLBase (client/server SQL server) and 3Com's LAN Manager on OS/2 in the early days, and I mean early days. We developed one of the very first true Windows-based client/server apps using Gupta's SQLWindows as the client-side front-end on Windows 2.0 and Windows386....ah the good old days. When SQLBase came for Netware, it was screaming fast compared to OS/2, but not as stable. We moved to ORacle shortly thereafter.

OS/2 as the database platform was amazingly solid for what we were doing then (OLTP), I wish I could say the same for real-mode DOS network drivers in Windows. HIMEM.SYS was your best friend. Thx for the memory-jog of the past (no pun intended), been a while since I've thought back to any of that.

We ran Gupta's SQLBase (client/server SQL server) and 3Com's LAN Manager on OS/2 in the early days, and I mean early days. We developed one of the very first true Windows-based client/server apps using Gupta's SQLWindows as the client-side front-end on Windows 2.0 and Windows386....ah the good old days. When SQLBase came for Netware, it was screaming fast compared to OS/2, but not as stable. We moved to ORacle shortly thereafter.

OS/2 as the database platform was amazingly solid for what we were doing then (OLTP), I wish I could say the same for real-mode DOS network drivers in Windows. HIMEM.SYS was your best friend. Thx for the memory-jog of the past (no pun intended), been a while since I've thought back to any of that.

I guess that would depend somewhat on your point of reference. I found it suitable for the times, given what we were doing with it. When NT4 came out (the Win95 GUI on top of NT), I remember thinking OS/2 and NT4 "felt" very similar, fwiw.

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btw do u remember GEM, deskmate, pc tools?

GEM - maybe, was that a front-end tool? Was deskmate a PC-based database? That sounds familiar. I remember doing research on where the tech was going back in the late 80's and almost nobody was doing true client/server, SQL backend. Not even Oracle, at the time. Certainly not Sybase. Everyone was moving that direction, but no one actually had it except, strangely enough, Gupta.

I only used OS/2 in its short prime that was version 3(Warp), but I used it a lot because it was great. It came out before Windows 95 and with a little extra RAM in the machine it ran almost all Windows 3.1 applications as well or better than Windows itself. I even ran some CD based DOS games better than under pure DOS. While technically superior to Windows 95 and at least to me as easy to use, the explosion of applications developed specifically for Windows 95 made it almost necessary to switch as a regular user. After that it was pretty much done as a home OS. I never even tried version 4.

One user inteface aspect that OS/2 heralded as feature of core importance was drag-and-drop, that might seem like nothing special today but I actually see less and less drag-and-drop interoperability in between software today than I saw in the OS/2 days. Developers don't care because Microsoft doesn't encourage them to do anything in that field anymore. In fact with Windows 8 they're practically killing drag-and-drop as a concept.

I guess that would depend somewhat on your point of reference. I found it suitable for the times, given what we were doing with it. When NT4 came out (the Win95 GUI on top of NT), I remember thinking OS/2 and NT4 "felt" very similar, fwiw.

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btw do u remember GEM, deskmate, pc tools?

GEM - maybe, was that a front-end tool? Was deskmate a PC-based database? That sounds familiar. I remember doing research on where the tech was going back in the late 80's and almost nobody was doing true client/server, SQL backend. Not even Oracle, at the time. Certainly not Sybase. Everyone was moving that direction, but no one actually had it except, strangely enough, Gupta.

i am thinking of end-user. gem desktop was an alternative to DOS as was deskmate.

thing is, they both used 640k dos limit and they each used like 100-200k for the gui leaving like 300k for the program.

I only used OS/2 in its short prime that was version 3(Warp), but I used it a lot because it was great. It came out before Windows 95 and with a little extra RAM in the machine it ran almost all Windows 3.1 applications as well or better than Windows itself. I even ran some CD based DOS games better than under pure DOS. While technically superior to Windows 95 and at least to me as easy to use, the explosion of applications developed specifically for Windows 95 made it almost necessary to switch as a regular user. After that it was pretty much done as a home OS. I never even tried version 4.

One user inteface aspect that OS/2 heralded as feature of core importance was drag-and-drop, that might seem like nothing special today but I actually see less and less drag-and-drop interoperability in between software today than I saw in the OS/2 days. Developers don't care because Microsoft doesn't encourage them to do anything in that field anymore. In fact with Windows 8 they're practically killing drag-and-drop as a concept.

it seemed to me though that the best os experience was os/2 prior to 95 if u could afford the ram

Whoa.... Throwback... I remember using it a lot, but don't remember why.... that predated OS/2, Win 95 though.

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OS/2 shares most in common with Windows NT. Remember of course that it wasn't until Windows 2000 that Windows NT was really ready for the everyday user.

That was OS/2's biggest problem. Hardware compatibility. IBM made OS/2 to sell its own hardware. Microsoft made win 95 to sell win 95. It was hard to get non-IBM hardware to play nice with OS/2. Heck, a lot of hardware did not work on the NT kernel until Win XP.

It was hard to get non-IBM hardware to play nice with OS/2. Heck, a lot of hardware did not work on the NT kernel until Win XP.

Yeah, I had a painful realisation that I had to move from Windows 2000 to Windows Millennium back in the day. Win2000 was so nice not having used any previous versions of NT at home, but it was just a bit too early. I've been in love with the mouse pointer shadow ever since. ;-D

Whoa.... Throwback... I remember using it a lot, but don't remember why.... that predated OS/2, Win 95 though.

edh wrote:

OS/2 shares most in common with Windows NT. Remember of course that it wasn't until Windows 2000 that Windows NT was really ready for the everyday user.

That was OS/2's biggest problem. Hardware compatibility. IBM made OS/2 to sell its own hardware. Microsoft made win 95 to sell win 95. It was hard to get non-IBM hardware to play nice with OS/2. Heck, a lot of hardware did not work on the NT kernel until Win XP.

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Blood wrote:

It was hard to get non-IBM hardware to play nice with OS/2. Heck, a lot of hardware did not work on the NT kernel until Win XP.

Yeah, I had a painful realisation that I had to move from Windows 2000 to Windows Millennium back in the day. Win2000 was so nice not having used any previous versions of NT at home, but it was just a bit too early. I've been in love with the mouse pointer shadow ever since. ;-D

i'm not entirely sure os/2 will work w/ ps/2 since ps/2 includes 8086 and 286, and memory expansion limitations as well.

all were very crash prone. i heard of os/2 and how it was crash proof but my pc and others didn't have the mem to run it and it was a time when vga monitors were like $800 and memory was like $800 per mb

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