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About Molan....she will continue practicing her mother's evil teachings for a while. After she came to the Liang house, 2 of Liang 6th son's concubines suffered exactly the same type of difficult births that ML's mom went through. Pretending to be good main wife, feeding the concubines good, over rich food that resulted in babies growing too big in the womb. Not sure if both babies died....or the concubines. But after the second time it happened people started talking and connecting it to Molan.

I'm not sure what they did to her after that ..jus﻿t read this on the spoiler site.﻿

@dito Which spoiler site you read this from I would love to check out whats been posted there.. Yes but I can see how people are associating it being connected to her being it was the same method used on ML mom and probably all of these complicated births didn't start not until she entered the home..

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I see a few chingus asking for translation for the meeting between GTY-ML in the Weibo preview, at the start and end.

Couldn't seem to see any reply so I'll try with my limited understanding. If someone already responded, my apologies for double up.

GTY: I must get you/ succeed in getting you. Even the heaven pity me, so opens up the opportunity to me.

ML: That's because heaven is afraid of powerful scary people.

GTY: seriously, even when I go war, its not this complicated. I had to plan meticulously (strike in the east, while making others think I'll strike the west). Just to get a wife, I had to use all the strategem of war teachings.

ML: u speak of this so casually. But my 5th sister reputation and sheng's reputation is at stake.

And she walks away.

GTY: ehhh...but I'm not done talking yet.

ML; what do U think I am? A pig? A fish? GTY, U are a rascal!

Will not translate GTY/QH meeting since it has been translated earlier.

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus, an elaborate scam, to push me to the corner, run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back.

The next meeting with GTY bowing down to her is a bit harder to understand.

GTY: I can't say/promise how great it will for you to be married to me. But I can say this to heaven and earth, that from now on, *I think he said they will both be nobles*.

Then he bowed and said something that I could hardly understand, but from the minimal understanding it seems like he promised that he will care for her his entire life.

That was sweet...

Yoooooooooo minglan had the nerve to mention sheng’s reputation after the scheme she pulled to entrap molan

see this is the novel’s “you get what you give” concept. A schemer getting schemed by a master schemer indeed

33 minutes ago, Renaro Kopique said:

I remember in the polo match, Madam Liang offered to partner with MingLan but QiHeng butted in to take over. Was Madam Liang really that bad that she was rejected like that? They all knew what would happen if MingLan partnered up with him but continued to let them do so. I just found this part a bit weird.

QiHeng's somewhat smart in books but he doesn't know how to be in real life situations. I felt like he never once thought about MingLan's sake but for his own happiness. She gave him countless chances and a lot of "time" but the dude just sat idle and used Concubine Lin's act dead state to threaten others which he clearly didn't master in yet.

MingLan did say that she won't be disloyal to him as long as he didn't disappoint her. She then continued countless times saying that if he strives forward then she will but if he gives up, so will she. I'm not even gonna count how many times he had disappointed her. Bruh, did you see his father? He's submissive to his princess wife, that's why we got a beta Qiheng not alpha.

- He's clearly a mama's boy. No girls wants that (besides status?) because they know they won't be a priority.
- Of course, I hope he can mature over the things he had to go through. (I still feel sorry for his personal servant - was it buwei?)

This drama is quite weird for me, I kinda like it and dislike it at the same time because they could jump scenes very quickly by using a line of dialogue but in some areas they let a scene on and on for a bit. That's why I was like damn, the banquet was over already? Or damn Grandmother already hushed Madam Liang? It's just sometimes I wish there was closure on some unexplained or unseen stuff. Probably many scenes have been filmed but they had to cut it off I guess or they wanted to exclude the unnecessary stuff and let the story progress faster.

I found the time lapse to be a flaw too.. Like.. how the hell is rong er that big already? When did that happen?

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Yoooooooooo minglan had the nerve to mention sheng’s reputation after the scheme she pulled to entrap molan

see this is the novel’s “you get what you give” concept. A schemer getting schemed by a master schemer indeed

I found the time lapse to be a flaw too.. Like.. how the hell is rong er that big already? When did that happen?

Its just a time skip but even then she should not be that big unless like 6+ years have passed from when we last saw her but i dont think thats true?

She looked at least 12 to me but maybe i didnt see it properly, maybe 9 or something that could make more sense i dunno anymore. I cant remember how old she was before we last saw her and how long has it been since then, 4 year's?

18 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

It is the magic of Song era special diet.It makes Rong grow up in a jiffy.GTY fight multiple soldiers/bandits sucessfully without getting a scratch.

I can let GTY fighting skills pass considering hes a general's son's and back then people could fight pretty well.

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Just watched epi 34.GTY's step mom is one crafty lady.More conniving than concubine Lin.She will be a headache for ML.

6 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Its just a time skip but even then she should not be that big unless like 6+ years have passed from when we last saw her but i dont think thats true?

She looked at least 12 to me but maybe i didnt see it properly, maybe 9 or something that could make more sense i dunno anymore. I cant remember how old she was before we last saw her and how long its been since then but maybe 4 years?

I can let GTY fighting skills pass considering hes a general's son's and back then people could fight pretty well.

Agree on good fighting skills but facing a barrage of arrows and going scratch free with only a spear as a weapon and not even sporting a sheild. Don't get me wrong it was enjoyable just that the creative license was stretched a bit.

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I know. The grandma should be awarded for her role. She totally nailed it. All the expression, emotion. Epic!

I love ML's Grandma!! The best character both in novel and drama

10 hours ago, dito said:

Just from the quick look at the previews for tomorrow...QH character growth went down the drain the minute he heard GTY and ML are getting married. The mini tantrum, throwing things....he's gone back to his entitled young master behavior again.....smh...smh.

Hmmm... Would the drama version QH turn evil after GTY got his dream girl?? His reaction in drama is bigger compared to in novel.. QH in novel seems to resigned with his fate not getting ML by getting drunk most of the time..

10 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Exactly this is why GTY said he will fight with everything he has to marry ML.

Woohooo!!! Fight all the way! The "Best Man Wins" LOL

7 hours ago, m0us3y said:

GTY: I must get you/ succeed in getting you. Even the heaven pity me, so opens up the opportunity to me.

ML: That's because heaven is afraid of powerful scary people.

GTY: seriously, even when I go war, its not this complicated. I had to plan meticulously (strike in the east, while making others think I'll strike the west). Just to get a wife, I had to use all the strategem of war teachings.

ML: u speak of this so casually. But my 5th sister reputation and sheng's reputation is at stake.

And she walks away.

GTY: ehhh...but I'm not done talking yet.

ML; what do U think I am? A pig? A fish? GTY, U are a rascal!

ML runs to the grandma and told granny that the GTY rascal created such huge ruckus, an elaborate scam, to push me to the corner, run out of options. I'm so angry to I left him and came back.

The next meeting with GTY bowing down to her is a bit harder to understand.

GTY: I can't say/promise how great it will for you to be married to me. But I can say this to heaven and earth, that from now on, *I think he said they will both be nobles*.

Then he bowed and said something that I could hardly understand, but from the minimal understanding it seems like he promised that he will care for her his entire life.

That was sweet...

I love the preview LOL... The way ML get angry with GTY is sooo cute!! hahahaha... More interaction like this please drama lord *praying* LOL

6 hours ago, dito said:

QH should realize the entire blame for bringing ML and GTY together lies on his own head.

Who told him to pray for a good husband for ML at the Youqing Monastery?

Thats why they say.... be careful what to wish for, you might actually get it.

Hahahahaha... Yaa, I remember the scenes where QH prayed for ML to get good husband His prayer comes true but he throws tantrum when GTY cut his line.. The heaven thinks GTY is better than QH then.. Pity QH..

On another note, this thread is moving so fast! hihihi.. I love all the comments and opinions shared in here.. Group hug everyone!!! XOXOXO

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Just watched epi 34.GTY's step mom is one crafty lady.More conniving than concubine Lin.She will be a headache for ML.

Agree on good fighting skills but facing a barrage of arrows and going scratch free with only a spear as a weapon and not even sporting a sheild. Don't get me wrong it was enjoyable just that the creative license was stretched a bit.

I mean most Chinese drama's exaggerate the fighting so i dont see issues back then they think everyone was a martial arts expert. If he was a general spear solider i would agree with you but drama has made a point to show that he loves the spears and knows spear dance etc..

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I mean most Chinese drama's exaggerate the fighting so i dont see issues back then they think everyone was a martial arts expert. If he was a general spear solider i would agree with you but drama has made a point to show that he loves the spears and knows spear dance etc..

This is my 1st brush with chinese period drama.The production has tried to be realistic in its portrayals so was wondering why does GTY fight sequence mirror fantasy movie fights where the hero gets hulk strength to take down a town of villains all alone.

As you said this is the norm with martial arts fights in dramas I got more clarity.

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in ep 35, I don't know what strategy that was from the strategems of war that Princess Qi the mother of QHY used to save her life. She saw her in laws killed right before her eyes and she started acting crazy and hysterical and instead of getting killed by the imperial concubine, she got thrown out in the streets. Good thinking lady.... whatever strategy it was, it worked. I am presuming here since the drama did not show how she survived after she got thrown out into the streets but she probably had someone waiting to take her.

She must have also warned her son Yuan Ruo to stay away and her husband survived too. She seemed to know what was going down.

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in ep 35, I don't know what strategy that was from the strategems of war that Princess Qi the mother of QHY used to save her life. She saw her in laws killed right before her eyes and she started acting crazy and hysterical and instead of getting killed by the imperial concubine, she got thrown out in the streets. Good thinking lady.... whatever strategy it was, it worked. I am presuming here since the drama did not show how she survived after she got thrown out into the streets but she probably had someone waiting to take her.

She must have also warned her son Yuan Ruo to stay away and her husband survived too. She seemed to know what was going down.

To be honest, I don't even know why she accepted that invitation when she knew the Rong Clan hated her guts.

Even if she was afraid they would be even angrier if she rejected, I suppose she would be a fool to not make preparations and have someone waiting for her or to report if she didn't appear.

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QH is the 'a fool in love' type, i supposed if i were in his shoes, i'd do the same (seeing how he was brought up as he was - obedient, respectful and gentlemanly while to us he's considered weak and only sees what's on the surface) ..maybe he has this feeling that ML loves him back and he'd thought love can conquer all so i can understand with him again asking his mom to propose but he'd failed to realize that ML has a 'life' of her own and he is not the 'centre' of her being..GTY is the 'take action and ask questions later' type of guy that's y he got ML but QH is like 'good things will come to those who waits' guy..pity life doesn't wait on him.

Again, I'm not trying to defend QH as I never consider him as second male lead and part of love triangle while listening to the book. I also do not like the way the writers have started writing QH in these upcoming episodes. However, I just wanna clarify some stuff for those who hasn't watched the recent episodes and previews with sub. I'm only discussing up to the point of his conversation with GTY in preview and try to reason QH's thoughts by being in his shoes.

Before I start with QH, GTY as a character has been pretty lucky in the way of gaining his military achievement very quickly (both in the book and drama) (not saying he has no good qualities, he did not make any efforts or he did not suffer) as well as in chance of saving ML i.e. leading to having open conversation with her (in the drama, 4 times is pretty damn unbelievable chance-encounters) and being close friend with her brother who knew and trusted GTY well. In TV epi 38, WS (Daniang) actually said to SH and CB that she would like RL to marry GTY not only because he changed his way and attitude in living and dealing things but also because he has good luck that she believes will continue to "bring luck" to the marriage i.e to RL eventually. She said that who would have thought Zhao, Prefect of Yu Zhou, whom GTY gave his allegiance to would become new emperor since he is just a distant imperial relative (even script writers already said so ). In addition, (others and I have mentioned before) GTY had advantage of age, life-changing experiences (both good and bad) and monetary independent compared to QH. I'm also not saying things turned out this way because GTY is male lead (of course, we all know at the end he is the male lead and the writers wrote things that way). I'm only discussing for individual character at this time point. I like GTY character as ML's husband and the fact that he is the one who can protect and give ML the life she wanted but I just did not think GTY is better than QH as a person or as in the effort in pursuing ML for marriage(at this point). [Please I'm not arguing about who deserves ML or who is suitable for ML!]

Thus being said, (1) I do not agree that QH missed the chance to be with ML because he did not take GTY's offer of temporarily kidnapping the princess. From QH's point of view and experience with Yong Wang family, it will bring disaster to ML and his family if princess was kidnapped even if YW could not connect anything to Qi and Sheng family when YW became emperor. Nobody could predict that there will be rebellion, and YW will be dead. (2) I don't believe QH thinks that he is ML's center of being and expect her to wait around for him. First, after being married to princess and resigned his life to fate, he already thought of ML marrying another guy, leading him to wish for her meeting good suitable person. Secondly, QH had his own reason for waiting around to propose ML again. He regained hope in being with ML after his princess wife passed during rebellion, but his mom was not in good mental health after needing to pretend being crazy and being ashamed by Long Fei by asking her run around in the streets like a lunatic. So, I assume that Qi family recluse themselves into their home disconnecting themselves with others due to their circumstances. It is also tradition that you have to wait for a year before marrying again in addition to being imperial mourning time. In his conversation to GTY, QH said that he regretted promising and letting ML's know ahead of his plan of proposing to her hands in marriage before it was certain. Since he hurt ML in his first attempt, he waited to let her know of his feelings and plan, by making sure his mom's approval by passing imperial exam before the proposal. GTY was lucky to find out about ML's marriage prospect from CB and was able to bring Cao family back from exile (grandma already snapped at Cao aunt that it is unbelievable that they are back at the capital and getting support from relatives being exiles (If GTY didn't have connections and authority, Cao family would not be able to come back to the capital without being arrested).

(3) Although QH's main mistake of being late in this proposal was not communicating with ML openly, ML never really gave QH any opportunity like RL did for Wen scholar even from the beginning of his courtship. They never really had the opportunity to have heart-to-heart talk like ML and GTY, and RL and Wen scholar. He was never able to share with ML about the hell he went through in protecting ML and Sheng family. As mentioned in #2, he felt terrible for letting ML down first time. Filial Piety being the most important societal value of the time, he needs to recover his parents' lost reputation by passing the imperial exam though his mom already said his marriage is now up to him even before he takes the exam.

So, it was "timing" that has been gone wrong for QH. This remind me the Chinese saying "marriage is meeting suitable person at the right time"

(4) I do not believe QH was being inconsiderate for asking GTY to withdraw his proposal. Yes, it is not fair of QH to ask GTY to give up ML. However, at this point, QH was told by his mom who was told by grandma that GTY ended up being betrothed to ML as he came proposing marriage to Sheng family just after RL was betrothed to Wen family. I think that's why QH said to GTY that "it is not like you have to marry ML, it is not like she is THE ONE for you." He didn't know GTY already admired and fell in love with ML. Also, since the marriage hasn't happened yet, if GTY is willing, being a male and emperor favorite, he can still withdraw his proposal and Sheng family can accept QH's proposal. This way Sheng family won't lose their face. He just didn't know GTY's scheme to marry ML.

In his conversation with his mom, he was shocked and pissed as he never thought in his mind that GTY would ask for ML as GTY's feeling for ML wasn't known to him, ML being a shu daughter (GTY said before that he would only marry di daughter) and he didn't know ML is now considered di being recorded under Daniang. Also, in his mind, ML does not love GTY and at least have feelings for him.

This is just my thoughts being in QH's place. After he found out GTY also admires ML and ML already made up her mind, if he plans to prevent the marriage or continues pestering ML after marriage, his actions are out of logic for his character and just became plain obsession.

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This is my 1st brush with chinese period drama.The production has tried to be realistic in its portrayals so was wondering why does GTY fight sequence mirror fantasy movie fights where the hero gets hulk strength to take down a town of villains all alone.

As you said this is the norm with martial arts fights in dramas I got more clarity.

AH if its your first then i understand lmfao literally every Chinese fantasy/Historical drama has quite exaggerated fighting. I was like you when i first watched NIF i was like how the richard simmons these people flying wtf this crap. I dropped that drama which was the biggest mistake ever then picked it up again and its my fave drama of all time no drama will ever come close to it.

28 minutes ago, nrbrown said:

@minglan1 Yep, it’s usually the norm. Sometimes it’s a lot more over the top. I guess I’m used to it, So, I just tend to go for the ride, and pretend Im watching an action flick for some minutes.

At least people not randomly flying away ;p

I just watched the eternal love two and they just fly into the sky like superman lmfao.

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I think from now until end there will be several years passed in the drama so i think they are having the new Rong'er actress to the end. Also a child her age can usually interract with the cast better than the previous actress since she was too young. I've seen this in other drama. So i think the two reason is because several years will pass and it will be better with an actress that can interract with the cast. Because children were alot more mature during that era compared to today. I've seen something similiar in the korean drama "Come, Jang Bori" the female leads adopted daughter was supposed to be 5 or something like that while the actress was 8 or 9.

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I like GTY character as ML's husband and the fact that he is the one who can protect and give ML the life she wanted but I just did not think GTY is better than﻿ QH as a person or as in the effort in pursuing ML for marriage(at this point). [Please I'm not arguing about who deserves ML or who is suitable for ML!]

They never really had the opportunity to have heart-to-heart talk like ML and GTY, and RL and Wen scholar. He was never able to share with ML about the hell he went through in protecting ML and Sheng family. As mentioned in #2, he felt terrible for letting ML down first time. Filial Piety being the most important societal value of the time, he needs to recover his parents' lost reputation by passing the imperial exam though his mom already said his marriage is now up to him even before he takes the exam.

So, it was "timing" that has been gone wrong for QH. This remind me the Chinese saying "marriage is meeting suitable person at the right time"

This is just my thoughts being in QH's place. After he found out GTY also admires ML and ML already made up her mind, if he plans to prevent the marriage or continues pestering ML after marriage, his actions are out of logic for his character and just became plain obsession.

I agree with most of what you said but wanted to reply to these bit's, you said GTY has not put effort into marrying ML but hes actually the one marrying her through loads of scheme's and most likely did military to get her as well.

Hes a better person and her pursued with everything he had , QH did not at all he asked his mum at a terrible time. He made a huge mistake at polo match which then forced him to be married and give up on ML due to his own mistake.

GTY has worked way harder to protect ML , get to know her as a person and then fell for her and then did everything possible to get her.

Also totally disagree about him never having the opportunity to have a heart to heart it's he just seemed so infatuated with her that he never really got to know her as a person he let her know his feeling's but that was about it. If anything ML and GTY have not really had a heart to heart yet they just been getting along as basically friends.

Also he protected ML and Sheng family due to his own mistakes which he caused, my biggest issue with QH is lack of thinking which is obviously due to age and never suffering or competing in his house.

Unless hes used his brain he will continue to pester ML after marriage and for me that is totally in character and in logic with his character on the drama.

I bet they change it so his kids are actually named after ML and it was not just some accident like in the book i think the drama version of QH is a obsessed love sick unable to think puppy.

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AH if its your first then i understand lmfao literally every Chinese fantasy/Historical drama has quite exaggerated fighting. I was like you when i first watched NIF i was like how the richard simmons these people flying wtf this crap. I dropped that drama which was the biggest mistake ever then picked it up again and its my fave drama of all time no drama will ever come close to it.

NiF is on my list to watch.Since I am enjoying story of minglan.I want to give it a try after this drama ends.

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1) ConcubineLin... DEAD. Glad Granny finally caused him to see the light. Loved that he ran out to see ConcubineLin and confirm what Granny said and felt like such a fool. 'Cause he was! Some scholar he was to get played so bad by a scheming concubine. 'Hubby' said that he was going to kill her, and the way that servant went after her with that club, it looks like he got his wish. I think it was more than skin infection that kilt her, she probably had major internal injuries. Getting whacked like that with a massive club like that one is going to do some major damage: spine, intestines, you name it!

2) HILARIOUS that poor little MingLan sneaks out of the palace with the emperor's orders and runs right smack dead center into the rescuers and gets herself (and the emperor) rescued. Well, why not? It's CDrama.

3) ConsortEvil is the one who's sister ended tossed into the street and hung herself all because of wanting HotStuff, QH? Well, the other EvilConsort/Princess got him. Such a catch. In the temple scene QH prayed for MingLan's health and happiness and a good husband. Watch what you wish for...

I haven't seen the scene where HotStuff learns his wife is kilt and wants to reconnect with MingLan, the one where he tosses stuff in frustration. HotStuff gave-up on MingLan to protect her from the very same people that abducted the girl that kilt herdamnself. Poor girl. SpoiltPrincess' mom threatened to do the same to MingLan, so he immediately gave-up and married SpoiltPrincess. He seemed incline to protest that his father was held hostage, but when they threatened to hurt the 6th Miss from the Sheng family, he relented. SpoiltPrincess and her evil-plotting mom are now dead, so he wants to reconnect with MingLan. That understandable since she isn't married. BUT now there is another impediment: GTY! It's always something. HotStuff just can't catch a break.

4) RouSis marrying the scholar will please her father... although not the part about her secretly meeting him. I think that's a major NO-NO. The poor long-suffering wife, RouSis's mother... She has only caught one break in her entire life, when ConcubineLin and MoSis got caught, and now her daughter is caught sneaking out. Appears that out of the three 'daughters,' only MingLan will make a good marriage.

Closing-in on Ep 40, that's a lot of background until the main character gets launched. I am loving every minute of this series!