I'll be in NYC in a few weeks, now I find out I have to go to Canada for New York Fries. I wonder what country I have to go to and get a New York Pizza ......GGGEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ I can't keep up with this..........

pnwchef, I'll be running the Brooklyn Half Marathon in a few weeks and it ends on the boardwalk in Coney Island. Come on down, grab a hot dog and fries at Nathan's and cheer me on as I cross the finish line!

Just to stay "on topic", I think perhaps Adjudicator's account was hacked.

pnwchef, I'll be running the Brooklyn Half Marathon in a few weeks and it ends on the boardwalk in Coney Island. Come on down, grab a hot dog and fries at Nathan's and cheer me on as I cross the finish line!

Just to stay "on topic", I think perhaps Adjudicator's account was hacked.

I can assure you that Adjudicator's account wasn't hacked and I'm not even a moderator

pnwchef, I'll be running the Brooklyn Half Marathon in a few weeks and it ends on the boardwalk in Coney Island. Come on down, grab a hot dog and fries at Nathan's and cheer me on as I cross the finish line!

Just to stay "on topic", I think perhaps Adjudicator's account was hacked.

Billy, if I was there during that time, I would jog from the Nathans order line to the pick-up window and meet you at the finish line with a Nathans dog with the works........I know that would give you extra incentive to finish the race................We will not be in NYC until the second week of June, Mollie is in school until the 6th...............I wish you well for the race, I know you will be thinking of Boston........................Bill

Given that many FF chains are the polar opposite of what Roadfood is all about, it's not all that surprising that FF restaurants don't rate very highly with many posters on here. Might it be better (or more clear) to say that "some posters attack FF establishments"? When I first read the title of your post my first impression was that you felt that the Roadfood site attacks FF establishments, meaning those who run the site. Adjudicator, while it is certainly your right to have and post your point of view, putting up the title of the thread and providing a weblink that didn't seem to have any discernible connection to the title did very little to support your argument.

We once ran the following poll: Which of These Chains is Most Roadfood-Worthy? In-N-Out Burger (21%) Waffle House (20%) Chains? Roadfood-Worthy? BAH! (18%) Five Guys (10%) Maid-Rite (8%) Original Pancake House (7%) Steak 'N' Shake (7%) Graeter's (3%) Runza (2%) Piccadilly Cafeteria (2%) Burgerville (1%) Rubio's (1%) Total Votes: 1135 An interesting fact about the 11 chains listed is that, at some time or other, Jane and Michael Stern have recommended each and every one of them. It's true, we often attack chains, but it's not random and it's with plenty of forethought!

I had some time, so I read all the posts that were modified in the last year - 4 pages of them. While there may have been flame wars that were deleted, and which may skew my analysis, I don't think a majority of the RF forum posters attack FF places without cause. There is proselytizing by a few members against FF establishments. But a lot of the scathing reviews are not by snobs who only partake of "the finer things in life". There are posts about heavily publicized temporary menu items that are not really good, they are merely designed to get people into the stores to try them. We see hype jobs about menu revamping that are actually just cosmetic in nature. There are a lot of complaints about FF chain menu items that used to be good, but were cheapened over the years. Lastly, there are some posts praising certain FF chains.

It's nice to know where I can get what Canadians think of as New York fries in Iraq.

In all fairness, it's tough enough to run one restaurant, produce food good enough to get a write up from the Sterns, and to keep the quality up so people keep coming. It's even tougher to keep the quality up in a dozen or a thousand restaurants. If somebody can achieve Roadfood quality and then replicate it around the country, I say applaud them for it. If somebody can provide a good and consistent level of food and experience at a reasonable price, that's pretty good, too (even if it's not Roadfood).

Turns out the very first New York Fries was mostly likely a Roadfood place. I must have passed it many times just about 30 years ago, but can't remember it. Reading the history of the Canadian company, the firm started by buying the Canadian rights in 1983 to a business that had one outlet on the third floor of the then-new South Street Seaport. I used to work near there in the early 80's, and had lunch up there quite a few times. There were no or few chain restaurants up there, which was the food court area of the Seaport. I can remember a very good burger place up there, but not the New York Fries location. I verified the existence by finding an article on Google books, which had a scan of a Montreal Gazette page that carried a syndicated article from the Denver Post. The writer named a few of the eateries on the third floor, which included New York Fries. The web site of the State of New York's Department of State Division of Corporations shows a business by the name of New York Fries, Inc. filed on December 14th, 1982. Later information doesn't really tell what happened to them. After Pier 17 opened at the Seaport, a lot of eateries on the third floor of the Seaport building closed. That is a story in and of itself. Unfortunately, I can't find any independent writeups of that french fry eatery. From pictures of the early Canadian franchises, it seemed they only sold fries made from fresh potatoes and sodas. There were a number of unique eateries on the third floor of the Seaport. With just about every food outlet (Nathan's company owned restaurants being the notable exception) selling frozen fries back then, a place selling fresh-peeled fries was notable.

It's nice to know where I can get what Canadians think of as New York fries in Iraq.

In all fairness, it's tough enough to run one restaurant, produce food good enough to get a write up from the Sterns, and to keep the quality up so people keep coming. It's even tougher to keep the quality up in a dozen or a thousand restaurants. If somebody can achieve Roadfood quality and then replicate it around the country, I say applaud them for it. If somebody can provide a good and consistent level of food and experience at a reasonable price, that's pretty good, too (even if it's not Roadfood).