There used to be great Rap in the 80's and early 90's with the liked of Grand Master Flash, Public Enemy, Nwa, De la soul, Eric B and Rakim, Whodini, and Wu Tang Clan and all these guys had a message with thier stuff, some cool samples and interesting lyrics but Modern Rap as they call it is rubbish, it's too many samples/Covers from 70's/80's out there and it's all about Hoes, Cars, Clothes and Cash, it's not only the lyrics that are pointless but also the sound of the music is way to commercial. Rap has officially died.

Crazy Canuck

Nov 19th, 2002, 06:29 PM

It's also about "bitches" but I suppose that goes with "hoes" ;)

sartrista7

Nov 19th, 2002, 07:35 PM

In one sense you're right... there's so much commercial crap out there, and that's what passes as hip-hop culture nowadays: talentless chancers talking crap about stuff only thick people could ever give a shit about. Hello, Ja Rule, you twat; if I wanted to hear some bloke shouting gruff nonsense I'd go and poke a tramp with a stick. As for P fucking Diddy, just, like, DIE.

But rap's not dead: there's some amazing underground stuff out there, and simultaneously commercial hip-hop (and r'n'b) is responsible for some of the most thrillingly innovative sounds around. For the former, look at Saul Williams, Anti-Pop Consortium and Sarah Jones; for the latter, see Missy Elliott, Dr Dre and the Neptunes.

nasty nick#2

Nov 19th, 2002, 07:42 PM

You're right Rap is not dead, but don't mention Missy Elliott and good in the same sentence.

Missy Elliott is possibly the single most important woman in American music right now - she's a performer, songwriter, producer, label boss, Svengali, style maven and untroubled member of the bling-ocracy all in one. And she's GOOD - Get Ur Freak On was one of the most astounding things I heard in 2001. And she raps with the most incredible charisma.

Choco - right on about all of those except Lil Bow Wow, who is an irritating little shit, and Jay Z, who I just find really annoying and an example of everything bad about commercial hip-hop. Haven't heard of Redman - hang on, isn't he the one who duetted with la Aguilera? Oh dear.

Oh yes, and a mention must go to the one and only PRINCESS SUPERSTAR.

King Satan

Nov 19th, 2002, 07:55 PM

Their's a lot of good stuff still out there, you just have to look for it.

I like everyone on your list CHOCO, all those kats have good music

King Satan

Nov 19th, 2002, 07:56 PM

One other one I love is DMX

nasty nick#2

Nov 19th, 2002, 07:57 PM

She can't rap and her music is rubbish. Next?

King Satan

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:01 PM

You don't know wtf your talking about Nick, don't you know how many great songs she's written? a hell of a lot

nasty nick#2

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:03 PM

Then we'll have to disagree then.

King Satan

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:05 PM

Yes we shall lol

sartrista7

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:08 PM

I'll just assume you haven't heard anything ever written by Missy Elliott, then.

nasty nick#2

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:10 PM

People got diffrent tastes, face it.

Monica_Rules

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:10 PM

I have to say Missey E is very talanted i love her work.Shes one of the few rappers i like.

G-Ha

Nov 19th, 2002, 08:15 PM

Missy is excellent. She's an innovator who has put out some quality material (my personal faves are Sock it to Me and Work It). And she's refreshing in a genre that's still male dominated.

But Nelly and Lil Bow Wow are NOT examples of quality rap...quite the opposite (even though I'll admit I liked one of Bow Wow's songs). Nelly is so commercial and I can't think of any song he's put out that isn't like something we've all heard before. He's also dropped a notch in my book for subjecting us all to that silly Nelly and Kelly song that gets WAY too much airplay.

Mercury Rising

Nov 19th, 2002, 09:06 PM

I don't like many of these rap/hiphop songs, and you get slammed by it here, it's terrible. Missy Elliot: puke, horrible to listen too, except one song this year, forgot the title. Some Outkast songs I like.
Lil Bow Wow, is that that little guy? Yikes.

I would like a non-rap/hiphop radio station here, but the only one is with classical music :rolleyes: