Re: Oh No! Eckankar made it to the movies!

There were two things that I found interesting with the story line. One, is that this guy Stone (Ed Norton) finds Eckankar in prison and thinks it s cool

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, Nov 22, 2010

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There were two things that I found
interesting with the story line. One,
is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
it's cool that Eckankar believes that
we all start out as "stones." Hence,
the name he gives himself. Of course
that's not quite right since Eckists
actually believe that we start out as
Soul. But there is that mineral state
of con that is talked about early on.
I always thought it was a stretch
of the imagination (B.S.) since what
would be the purpose of being a rock
after a few hours let alone centuries?
Perhaps this story is a way to explain
away why Gakko came here 6 million
years ago. He was communicating with
stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

Another thing that stands out is Stone's
girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
microwaves and cellphones are and using
magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
air!

Then there's that Sound and Light
thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
Sant Mat.

Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
how one makes it to the next "level"
in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
your own and it requires money and
a membership card. Leveling up is
the "initiation" process. It seems like
Stone is showing Eckists that they
don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
become a spiritual "traveler."

It's also interesting to read that
Stone develops a much more
subdued personality. Eckists are
like that too... zoned out zombies
who are always smiling (well, at
seminars anyway). It's taking a
matter-of-fact karmic attitude
towards life.

I will have to say that religion can
unlock feelings and insights that
might never have been discovered
otherwise, but then we can let it
go. When the dogma begins to limit
us and what we can say and believe
then it's time to walk away... you've
learned all you need from that path.

************************************
Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

"Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's been in
the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his grandparents. In his
initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be with his
wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison life.
When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An alien man."

Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting parole and
decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to ingratiate
herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with him by
brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of toxins:
"It's all the microwaves and cell phones  everything going through the air that
we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to hear if
his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way to ease
his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that proves
uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based on a real
world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can connect with
God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea and slowly
begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts off as
stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of traveller, not a
vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He knows and
feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange religion
has somehow unlocked it.

It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate epiphany, however
it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that finally
makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the "next
level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires Stone
suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the two.
Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their own could
define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and becoming
born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these elements into
something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take Scientology,
it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the notion of
God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun capitalization
and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi Wan as
its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for now until I
watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and I'm just
starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted Inception
which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

May the Eckankar be with you."

etznab@aol.com

Do they really mention the word Eckankar in the movie? I read one of the reviews and saw something about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and something about

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, Nov 23, 2010

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Do they really mention the word Eckankar
in the movie?

I read one of the reviews and saw something
about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and
something about Arnold instead of Harold.

There were two things that I found
interesting with the story line. One,
is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
it's cool that Eckankar believes that
we all start out as "stones." Hence,
the name he gives himself. Of course
that's not quite right since Eckists
actually believe that we start out as
Soul. But there is that mineral state
of con that is talked about early on.
I always thought it was a stretch
of the imagination (B.S.) since what
would be the purpose of being a rock
after a few hours let alone centuries?
Perhaps this story is a way to explain
away why Gakko came here 6 million
years ago. He was communicating with
stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

Another thing that stands out is Stone's
girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
microwaves and cellphones are and using
magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
air!

Then there's that Sound and Light
thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
Sant Mat.

Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
how one makes it to the next "level"
in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
your own and it requires money and
a membership card. Leveling up is
the "initiation" process. It seems like
Stone is showing Eckists that they
don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
become a spiritual "traveler."

It's also interesting to read that
Stone develops a much more
subdued personality. Eckists are
like that too... zoned out zombies
who are always smiling (well, at
seminars anyway). It's taking a
matter-of-fact karmic attitude
towards life.

I will have to say that religion can
unlock feelings and insights that
might never have been discovered
otherwise, but then we can let it
go. When the dogma begins to limit
us and what we can say and believe
then it's time to walk away... you've
learned all you need from that path.

************************************
Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

"Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's
been in
the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his
grandparents. In his
initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be
with his
wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison
life.
When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An
alien man."

Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting
parole and
decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to
ingratiate
herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with
him by
brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of
toxins:
"It's all the microwaves and cell phones – everything going through the
air that
we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to
hear if
his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way
to ease
his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that
proves
uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based
on a real
world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can
connect with
God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea
and slowly
begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts
off as
stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of
traveller, not a
vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He
knows and
feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange
religion
has somehow unlocked it.

It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate
epiphany, however
it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that
finally
makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the
"next
level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires
Stone
suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the
two.
Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their
own could
define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and
becoming
born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these
elements into
something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take
Scientology,
it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the
notion of
God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun
capitalization
and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi
Wan as
its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for
now until I
watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and
I'm just
starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted
Inception
which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

May the Eckankar be with you."

prometheus_973

Hello Etznab, I listed two sites with reviews and quoted one where they mentioned Eckankar by name and gave other details. I guess you ll have to see the movie

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, Nov 23, 2010

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Hello Etznab,
I listed two sites with reviews and
quoted one where they mentioned
Eckankar by name and gave other
details. I guess you'll have to see
the movie for yourself to know what
is actually said about Eckankar.

etznab@... wrote:

>
>
> Do they really mention the word Eckankar
> in the movie?
>
> I read one of the reviews and saw something
> about Zuckangor instead of Eckankar - and
> something about Arnold instead of Harold.
>
>Etznab

Prometheus wrote:

There were two things that I found
interesting with the story line. One,
is that this guy "Stone" (Ed Norton)
finds Eckankar in prison and thinks
it's cool that Eckankar believes that
we all start out as "stones." Hence,
the name he gives himself. Of course
that's not quite right since Eckists
actually believe that we start out as
Soul. But there is that mineral state
of con that is talked about early on.
I always thought it was a stretch
of the imagination (B.S.) since what
would be the purpose of being a rock
after a few hours let alone centuries?
Perhaps this story is a way to explain
away why Gakko came here 6 million
years ago. He was communicating with
stones via the mineral state of consciousness!

Another thing that stands out is Stone's
girlfriend is talking about how dangerous
microwaves and cellphones are and using
magnet therapy to rid people of toxins.
This sounds like some of Klemp's nutty
talk about harmful EMR/EMF waves in the
air!

Then there's that Sound and Light
thing that Twitchell "borrowed" from
Sant Mat.

Of course Stone doesn't quite understand
how one makes it to the next "level"
in Eckankar. It doesn't happen on
your own and it requires money and
a membership card. Leveling up is
the "initiation" process. It seems like
Stone is showing Eckists that they
don't need a LEM or a Mahanta to
become a spiritual "traveler."

It's also interesting to read that
Stone develops a much more
subdued personality. Eckists are
like that too... zoned out zombies
who are always smiling (well, at
seminars anyway). It's taking a
matter-of-fact karmic attitude
towards life.

I will have to say that religion can
unlock feelings and insights that
might never have been discovered
otherwise, but then we can let it
go. When the dogma begins to limit
us and what we can say and believe
then it's time to walk away... you've
learned all you need from that path.

************************************
Eckankar and the LEM (Arnold) will
be mentioned in the movie "Stone."

"Dialogue and story points. Edward Norton plays Stone, a prisoner who's been in
the clink for eight years for helping in the murder of his grandparents. In his
initial meeting with Jack he pleads to be put on parole so he can be with his
wife, Lucetta (Jovovich), who has been helping prepare his post-prison life.
When Jack asks about Stone's wife, Stone replies "She's an alien. An alien man."

Stone is feeling uneasy, rightfully so, about his chances getting parole and
decides to send Lucetta on a mission to seduce Jack. As she begins to ingratiate
herself into Jack's world, Lucetta initiates a bit of small talk with him by
brining up the idea of magnet therapy and how it helps rid people of toxins:
"It's all the microwaves and cell phones  everything going through the air that
we can't see." Um, science fiction much?

Eckankar: Experience the Sound and Light of God. While Stone waits to hear if
his blackmailing plan is successful he bides his time looking for a way to ease
his mind. First, he tries reading about Christianity, but when that proves
uninspiring he discovers a pamphlet on a New Age-esque religion based on a real
world religion called Eckankar. The idea behind it is that we can connect with
God through sound and light. Suddenly, Stone is enamored by the idea and slowly
begins to change into a much more subdued personality.

The other component to the religion is the idea that everyone starts off as
stones and have to work their way up to become human beings. To me, this
solidifies the idea of Norton's character as being some sort of traveller, not a
vagabond in the basic sense, but in the extraterrestrial sense. He knows and
feels that he has another purpose, a bigger purpose and this strange religion
has somehow unlocked it.

It isn't just this one concept that brings him to his ultimate epiphany, however
it's his witnessing of a fellow prisoner dying infront of his eyes that finally
makes Stone feel like he has succeeded in working his way up to the "next
level." Stone looks into the dying man's eyes and as his life expires Stone
suddenly flinches back as if something had been transferred between the two.
Your typical prison shanking scene it is not.

It's about Religion. Sure, taking any of the elements above on their own could
define the movie as being about one man's discovery of religion and becoming
born again. However director John Curran deftly mixes all these elements into
something that looks, sounds, and feels like science fiction. Take Scientology,
it's nothing other then a science fiction creation wrapped within the notion of
God. Or the idea of The Force in Star Wars (with its proper noun capitalization
and all) that turns the basis of religion into science fiction with Obi Wan as
its Pope and Yoda as its Jesus.

There's many more levels to this, but I'll let this sit with you for now until I
watch it again. Seriously, there's a lot of stuff going on in Stone and I'm just
starting to uncover the layers. All I know is that it out incepted Inception
which makes it one of the best science fiction films of the year so far.

May the Eckankar be with you."

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