I agree about Faz - but he carried them due to his individual talent rather than his leadership qualities. In contrast, I think Sinfield whilst an inferior individual player, manages to inspire those around him to performance levels they wouldn't otherwise achieve. All Faz did as a leader was instill fear into those around him that they would let him down, it was more intimidation than inspiration in my view.

I'd agree. And for much of the latter time Faz was virtually playing on one leg. Sinfield was awesome tonight though and he got plenty of off the ball stuff from Wire. You have to wonder why he doesn't seem to be able to turn it on at international level. I believe he is very underated. But then I believed Deryck Fox was very underated as well!

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Greatest player? No - there are numerous players of greater talent that have graced SL and even a few with more trophy laden careers, including his team mate Peacock.

Greatest captain / leader in SL - undoubtedly in my view.

And that's exactly the point that many miss when judging him internationally. They judge him as a player in a position not as a leader. I guess that's why MoS has never come his way.

The same argument could be said for Deacon when GB decided on others.

yes I agree with both of you,but sometimes because he play's for Leeds,it reminds me of the bias that was hurled at Lewis Jones who was the most visionary skilful player that has played for Leeds or the sport,but somehow because he played for Leeds ther derided him.There is a potential motion at LCC to make Sinfield a freeman of the city and rightly so

but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
The hour is getting late
FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB HAS DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESSTHEN i DONT KNOW WHAT IS.

Sinfield is a Super League legend, he is irrelevant in the international game however.

agreed but I did say " greatest SL player " - so we're talking of the time post 1998

thinking along the lines of SL consistency, longevity and general RL ability - Peacock and others are up there of course ( and it pains me to say it as a Saints fan) but I would put Sinfield ahead of the rest by a mile because of his pivotal ability to change & influence games - the man is a legend

Sinfield is undoubtedly a great player, especially with the boot, he is also a great captain, a superb motivator of those around him and a very tactically astute leader.

He does lack that x factor that makes a player special, maybe as kicking in RL isn't considered that much of a part of the game then compared to great players who drive your team forward on the ground as opposed to by kicking the ball in the air he gets overlooked.

Sinny will go down as an all time great for Leeds but will possibly fall short as an all time great for the game.

As for comparing him to Faz and Scully, forget it, both were far more talented.

KS seems to have been consistenly pivotal in so much of Leeds' success that's why I put him at the top of the list - there are better players in certain positions of course but as an all round inspirational leader and influence on his team I can't think of many more consistent players throughout the SL years

I only watched the game on TV but it seems to me that he does little things that turn games, like following up after his bomb to be in the right place for the pass for the first try. On another occasion there was a loose ball in his own 22 area where the other Leeds defenders were unsure of the exact whereabouts of the ball and a Warrington try was a possibility when he swept in from the centre of the park and took command of the ball and got heavily clattered for his pains. A small thing but the game could have turned if he didn't do that. I am not a great believer in goalkicking but his deadly, unflapable accuracy helped to turn the screw on Warrington.

In the Wigan game, as Captain, I am sure he was following the coach's game plan, but he was the on field architect of that and the kicking game, both bombs, touch kicking and drop and place kicking worked a treat in the conditions in keeping Wigan pinned in their own end and keeping the scoreboard ticking along. Not pretty but effective and, to me, a further illustration of his value to the team. He will never be a player of individual brilliance like say, Tomkins, but his tactical skills, his kicking abilities and his selfless courage mark him as a rare player for his team and an intrinsic part of their superb successes over the last few years.

Its OK doing things at SL level where he has excelled, but wonder why he has never done much on the International stage? He is very talented especially with his kicking and motivational skills etc. Is it that Sinfield plays much better by bossing the show rather than following somebodyelse who is captain? Is it that the GB Coaches have not used him correctly? There is a vast difference between the slower and poorer SL and then stepping up to play International level, but others like Hall, Roby, Graham have managed it despite having a less influential role at SL level than Sinfield has. There must be something why such a standout in SL has failed to make any impact at all on the international stage.