Saginaw Police Shoot Deranged Man 46 Times - Think Atheist2015-08-02T19:05:20Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/saginaw-police-shoot-deranged-man-46-times?feed=yes&xn_auth=noNonviolent protest has to be…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-11-24:1982180:Comment:12164962012-11-24T20:25:47.538ZRyan E. Hoffmanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RyanEHoffman
<p>Nonviolent protest has to be nonviolent.</p>
<p>Nonviolent protest has to be nonviolent.</p> If you fail to see the simila…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-19:1982180:Comment:11698722012-08-19T16:07:15.380ZArcushttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Arcus
<p>If you fail to see the similarity let me spell it out for you: The Saginaw police should have used beanbags and tasers, the SA police should have used teargas, water cannons, and water cannons. However, both shot first and asked questions later which is due to the tactical training (or lack thereof) they have received.</p>
<p>If you fail to see the similarity let me spell it out for you: The Saginaw police should have used beanbags and tasers, the SA police should have used teargas, water cannons, and water cannons. However, both shot first and asked questions later which is due to the tactical training (or lack thereof) they have received.</p> I don't think that's the same…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-19:1982180:Comment:11699352012-08-19T15:47:29.462ZRyan E. Hoffmanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RyanEHoffman
<p>I don't think that's the same at all. 34 Miners with machetes and "traditional weapons" which is really vague, does not equate to one mentally ill patient with a knife.</p>
<p>Nonviolent protest has to be nonviolent.</p>
<p>I don't think that's the same at all. 34 Miners with machetes and "traditional weapons" which is really vague, does not equate to one mentally ill patient with a knife.</p>
<p>Nonviolent protest has to be nonviolent.</p> There has been a lot of discu…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11698222012-08-18T23:16:10.850ZRyan E. Hoffmanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RyanEHoffman
<p>There has been a lot of discussion, especially lately as to who really controls the NYPD: Bloomberg or Kelly. I think it's a legitimate point to make that the NYPD runs itself.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of discussion, especially lately as to who really controls the NYPD: Bloomberg or Kelly. I think it's a legitimate point to make that the NYPD runs itself.</p> My experience is with the NYP…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11697332012-08-18T23:14:22.349ZRyan E. Hoffmanhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RyanEHoffman
<p>My experience is with the NYPD, and I 100% stand behind that comment. You have cops raping women and getting off without charges, breaking into "suspects" homes and shooting them w/o repercussion. Stop and Frisk has led to consistent harassment of non-criminal communities. The ticket fixing scandals... look, I know there are a lot of good cops out there that want to protect and serve, but there comes a point where you have to say that it's not just a few bad apples. There is a systemic…</p>
<p>My experience is with the NYPD, and I 100% stand behind that comment. You have cops raping women and getting off without charges, breaking into "suspects" homes and shooting them w/o repercussion. Stop and Frisk has led to consistent harassment of non-criminal communities. The ticket fixing scandals... look, I know there are a lot of good cops out there that want to protect and serve, but there comes a point where you have to say that it's not just a few bad apples. There is a systemic problem within the training, organization, and leadership that breeds a safe haven for racists and sociopaths.</p>
<p>Not bad apples. It's a bad bunch. </p> I think that the people who d…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11697992012-08-18T17:07:04.002ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>I think that the people who demonize the police tend to forget that these are usually family men and women who want to get home alive just like the rest of us, who have wives and children. The people these officers run into daily are typically difficult, hostile, and sometimes downright dangerous. How they deal with it, I don't know. That some can't is to be expected.</p>
<p>I think that the people who demonize the police tend to forget that these are usually family men and women who want to get home alive just like the rest of us, who have wives and children. The people these officers run into daily are typically difficult, hostile, and sometimes downright dangerous. How they deal with it, I don't know. That some can't is to be expected.</p> Don't you know how to qualify…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11695632012-08-18T16:59:11.071ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Don't you know how to qualify anything? Using your standard of proof and method of generalization would allow me to decide, for example, that blacks or Hispanics are all drug dealers because of the busts I've seen on TV or that all Middle Easterners are terrorists because most of the terrorists we know about are.</p>
<p>Don't you know how to qualify anything? Using your standard of proof and method of generalization would allow me to decide, for example, that blacks or Hispanics are all drug dealers because of the busts I've seen on TV or that all Middle Easterners are terrorists because most of the terrorists we know about are.</p> Something I am not at all sur…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11696272012-08-18T16:52:49.340ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p><em><strong>Something I am not at all sure Americans grasp is that your military now define all males over 14 as "militants" when doing body counts after drone strikes in order to keep the collateral casualty figures down. Is this fair and just - clearly not and it merely justifies the sense of injustice that is feeding the ranks of those who you would call terrorists.</strong></em></p>
<p>Your unimpeachable source for this "information" is what?</p>
<p><em><strong>Something I am not at all sure Americans grasp is that your military now define all males over 14 as "militants" when doing body counts after drone strikes in order to keep the collateral casualty figures down. Is this fair and just - clearly not and it merely justifies the sense of injustice that is feeding the ranks of those who you would call terrorists.</strong></em></p>
<p>Your unimpeachable source for this "information" is what?</p> It would be patently wrong to…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11695582012-08-18T15:38:17.732ZEdhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/EdwardDelauter
<p>It would be patently wrong to stereotype America's law enforcement community as chickenshit and megalomaniacs. This particular incident was not representative of the actual role our men &amp; women in blue perform for our communities. Most are conscientious and follow the proper rules of conduct. This incident is unfortunate as someone died who shouldn't have and it now places increased scrutiny on those who do carry out their job with integrity and compassion. For every one these tragic…</p>
<p>It would be patently wrong to stereotype America's law enforcement community as chickenshit and megalomaniacs. This particular incident was not representative of the actual role our men &amp; women in blue perform for our communities. Most are conscientious and follow the proper rules of conduct. This incident is unfortunate as someone died who shouldn't have and it now places increased scrutiny on those who do carry out their job with integrity and compassion. For every one these tragic cases there are ten thousand where an officer put his life in jeopardy to save an innocent victim and, in some cases, lost their own life doing so.</p>
<p></p> The only issue with that argu…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-08-18:1982180:Comment:11695392012-08-18T14:27:51.644ZArcushttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Arcus
<p>The only issue with that argument is the SA police quite obviously use much of the same tactics, and can hardly be said to be under neither the US fed gvmt or the SA gvmts full control.</p>
<p>The problem is the choice of tactics taught, which is usually under the purview of local police departments.</p>
<p>The only issue with that argument is the SA police quite obviously use much of the same tactics, and can hardly be said to be under neither the US fed gvmt or the SA gvmts full control.</p>
<p>The problem is the choice of tactics taught, which is usually under the purview of local police departments.</p>