At 5/31/09 01:21 PM, 36Holla wrote:
The only thing that still bothers me somewhat is the sometimes visible lack of guidance that mods give newer users when those users make a thread that breaks the rules, but they genuinely don't know that it breaks the rules. (mostly referring towards the un-official rules posted by various mods)

I agree, just posting and locking a thread with the reply "Read the Rules" isn't really that helpful to a new user, you can run through the BBS Rules for hours and still not know what you did wrong.

At 5/31/09 01:26 PM, gamejunkie wrote:
2. You get 5 or more Mod's give a thread a reply, then another will come along and close it for some bullshit reason. The power of being a Mod goes to the heads of some of them and they just get mean and nasty.

I do agree with this to an extent.

3. You try to start a thread, only to have it closed or removed, at the same time as getting directed to a previous thread on a same or similar topic. Yet the BBS rules clearly state dont bump old threads, so either way you are doing wrong, apparently.

This rule, as far as I know, goes for threads that are years old, not ones from the past few months.

4. And anything that states 'PHOTOSHOP THE ??????' should be removed, they are just bullshit stat builders.

Actually, quite a few are comedy genius. There's far more threads that function as post count increasers than photoshop threads. newgrounds is, after all, focused on creativity.

5. Masturbation Topics should not be allowed.

Why? Why should any topic be banned? If it promotes discussion and isn't illegal there's nothing wrong with it, if you don't like them ignore them, this forum is mainly teenage boys.

At 5/31/09 01:21 PM, 36Holla wrote:
The only thing that still bothers me somewhat is the sometimes visible lack of guidance that mods give newer users when those users make a thread that breaks the rules, but they genuinely don't know that it breaks the rules. (mostly referring towards the un-official rules posted by various mods)

I agree, just posting and locking a thread with the reply "Read the Rules" isn't really that helpful to a new user, you can run through the BBS Rules for hours and still not know what you did wrong.

For every good mod, there seems to be five egotistical idiots having circlejerk show-off threads. Each new wave of users seems to result in an entire year's worth of old ones disappearing (I guess that's to be expected, but we rarely ever get good new users). Repetitive, done to death wastes of space (SO DID YOU SEE THIS MOVIE FROM SIX MONTHS AGO?, SOME SHIT THAT HAPPENED TO ME AT SCHOOL, etc.) get made every day and stay open, but joke threads where people are actually having fun get locked left and right.

There's also a bizarre sort of rampant egotism, particularly noticeable in users from the past few years. The huge pile of "FUCK 4CHAN/7CHAN/INSERT IMAGE BOARD HERE" and "THIS FORUM IS SHIT" threads nearly dwarf all the eBaums hate from way back when. It's fucking ridiculous, especially with the whole "4CHAN RAID" drama adding up to fucking nothing at all.

At 5/31/09 01:14 PM, Rucklo wrote:
^^^^ agree with this, we do not have a warning-system of any kind, so the short-duration bans is an easy and conventient way to give a heads up.

This whole warning thing is something I've discussed with a few users now and again. The whole, "you mess up and we ban you" thing is too harsh. Maybe on users who are just looking for trouble yeah. But respected users or people who just don't know they're in the wrong should perhaps get a warning.
I often thought that a Probation system would work pretty well on newgrounds. LIke, Mods can either ban or put on probation. If probated then your name would be red or something and other mods will see that they've had a fair fuckin warning already, and if they continue then its time to pull out the ban stick.

i used to warn people via PM, but it takes longer time to do so, and after a while its impossible to know who was warned for what.

Exactly. Thats what I mean by the prob system. I think the main problem would be the BBS not having an exact set of defining rules. As occasionally Mods lay down unofficial rules which not everyone will see.

Another thing would be that people dont see mods as users now, the're seen as the POLICE. If mods would just ease back a bit and relate to the users more rather than cracking down on us it would be a lot more enjoyable around here. When browsing through threads if I see a mod post I stop to read because if a mod is posting like a regular user I respect that. A lot of mods only go around banning/locking.

My biggest problem with the system we have is that too many people with some kind of power are allowing their decisions to be made off of personal, rather than professional, choices.

I know that it's up to you guys to decide who gets to be a Moderator, for example. But I've often heard talk of who could be made into a Mod and I've been appalled at the choices. Some of the people that you guys choose have no idea what it's like here or what the users are like or they're a huge asshole who no ones likes but seems to have gotten onto someone's good side.

At 5/31/09 01:38 PM, TacticalShoe wrote:
My biggest problem with the system we have is that too many people with some kind of power are allowing their decisions to be made off of personal, rather than professional, choices.

At 5/31/09 01:38 PM, TacticalShoe wrote:
My biggest problem with the system we have is that too many people with some kind of power are allowing their decisions to be made off of personal, rather than professional, choices.

I think that Zerok is one of the best Mods on the BBS. He posts in threads like a normal user a fair bit of the time. And it's nearly always an interesting intellectual answer. I love reading Zeroks posts and coming up with equally fun replies. 4Chan is the devil, if you wanna discuss 4chan go there to do it. Why come here?

At 5/31/09 01:26 PM, gamejunkie wrote:
3. You try to start a thread, only to have it closed or removed, at the same time as getting directed to a previous thread on a same or similar topic. Yet the BBS rules clearly state dont bump old threads, so either way you are doing wrong, apparently.

You can bump old threads as long as you're doing it to continue the discussion (unless of course it is an extrmely old thread, for example from 2001). If you're unsure about what to do, remember that you can always PM a mod ;)

At 5/31/09 01:38 PM, TacticalShoe wrote:
My biggest problem with the system we have is that too many people with some kind of power are allowing their decisions to be made off of personal, rather than professional, choices.

Especially since he sure doesn't bother to clean up the other shit polluting the board.

Hmm, Zerok seems to be quite modest and fair when it comes to Modding and generally posting. I think he just defines silly much like one of us would define stupid or spammy. As for the bit about the 4chan thing, who the hell cares. Go to /b/ to bitch about it, why would you do it here?

I think that Zerok is one of the best Mods on the BBS. He posts in threads like a normal user a fair bit of the time. And it's nearly always an interesting intellectual answer. I love reading Zeroks posts and coming up with equally fun replies.

While I do agree that Zerok is a good guy, his ability to be witty and fun has little to do with his moderatorial skills. It helps, but those two can be very separate things.

4Chan is the devil, if you wanna discuss 4chan go there to do it. Why come here?

At 5/31/09 01:46 PM, Viridis wrote:
4Chan is the devil, if you wanna discuss 4chan go there to do it. Why come here?

You're a real winner.

People with your attitude are one of the huge fucking problems with the BBS.

First off, I honestly doubt you've ever seen the threads relating to 4chan Zerok has locked, they're usually only tangentally related at best and the only ruckus comes from people like you spouting ludicrous shit.

At 5/31/09 11:04 AM, Sawdust wrote:
Stop banning regulars who post entertaining things that are for laughs; basically if you see ANY joke worth a lick done by ANYONE don't lock the thread and ban the user.

Lighten up on the definition of "spam thread."

Only ban people that are giving other people a hard time; like the try hard hardasses or the people who make genuine spam. Hold off on banning trolls; let them have their fun then ban them. There will be more laughs that way.

All I could think of right now.

See, now this is something I could go for. Like that thread that was around a couple days ago, it was a rhyming thread, I saw no reason for it to be deleted. I think threads that get more than 15 replies should be able to continue just to see what others will think up. I actually liked it. It was genuinely hilarious. If a thread like that gets de-railed, let it. It was a rhyming thread, of course it was going to get derailed. That's what makes those kinds of threads fun to read and in which to post.

At 5/31/09 01:46 PM, Viridis wrote:
I think that Zerok is one of the best Mods on the BBS. He posts in threads like a normal user a fair bit of the time. And it's nearly always an interesting intellectual answer. I love reading Zeroks posts and coming up with equally fun replies. 4Chan is the devil, if you wanna discuss 4chan go there to do it. Why come here?

Why do people have the sort of "us or them" attitude towards 4chan? Discussion about 4chan is perfectly appropriate here. 4chan is a place for anonymity, but what if you don't want to discuss 4chan in an anonymous way?

At 5/31/09 01:21 PM, 36Holla wrote:
The only thing that still bothers me somewhat is the sometimes visible lack of guidance that mods give newer users when those users make a thread that breaks the rules, but they genuinely don't know that it breaks the rules. (mostly referring towards the un-official rules posted by various mods)

I agree, just posting and locking a thread with the reply "Read the Rules" isn't really that helpful to a new user, you can run through the BBS Rules for hours and still not know what you did wrong.

A More deep Reply would be nice and less of the Sarcasm.

Reading the rules before posting is the ideal, but since we don't live in an ideal world, it's impossible to expect everyone to read them before posting, much less read them at all. Telling a user to read the rules should be a supplement piece of advice in addition to the advice given for the specific situation at hand. And even if you can't find the specific reason in the rules for why a topic was locked, or why you were banned, you should still go through them to get at least a general overview of what the major rules are. And reading them should be more so apparent if you're told directly by a mod to go read them.

I agree with a lot that has already been said here. I especially like the idea of a warning system and a clearer, more updated set of rules that ALL moderators can follow.

I haven't been to the General boards in a while, mostly just C&C and VGs. I guess these boards have gotten boring, but I don't know why I even bother going to VGs since there's so many stupid and underage users there.

I think a night shift of mods would be a good addition. Not exactly making the mods work in shifts, but one or two (already modded or newly appointed) people that have the ability to keep watch between 2am - 6am. That's when i see the most spam show up, and then it's bumped the next afternoon, and EVERYone goes nuts about "OMG where did this spam come from".

Eyelovepoozy, oh lol. in my opinion, he's an ok guy. Sure he can dish out a cruel joke, and a shovel full of bans, but the way i see it, he's doing the work of three mods at once. The regulars see it as "Abuse of power", and the new guys see it as "He's out to get me". Not that i'm saying people should stop posting when Poozy is online for the sake of a possible ban, but when bigger brother is watching, i watch what i say, carefully.

One topic i haven't noticed yet, is favored regulars. Mods should NOT give one inch to even their closest friends. However, i think warning PMs and posts would set a good example. Bans can really put someone in a bad mood, and i think warning someone saying "stop posting EPIC over and over", rather than "You have 72 hours in the corner to think about what you said....". would really give the mods a more...human appearance, rather than some robot that spits out bans and funny lock messages. Though bans should not be eliminated completely, there are still the select few that continue to test the mods patience, and the forums sanity, and they deserve their bans. They should be applied more selectively.

I know when i'm about to get banned, every time. I post in a thread, and i think "Ahh shit, i'm getting 3 days. My bad". But i think there are a few who are still oblivious to what a spam thread is. I suggest, when a spam topic is posted, ban the OP, that's it. It seems silly to ban 14 people for one persons stupidity. That's not always the case though, some people do go overboard and consistently push the mods buttons by posting one liners threads, and everyone should know, just leave it be.

At 5/31/09 01:46 PM, Viridis wrote:
4Chan is the devil, if you wanna discuss 4chan go there to do it. Why come here?

You're a real winner.

People with your attitude are one of the huge fucking problems with the BBS.

Thanks for that.

First off, I honestly doubt you've ever seen the threads relating to 4chan Zerok has locked, they're usually only tangentally related at best and the only ruckus comes from people like you spouting ludicrous shit.

I love the way you can honestly assume that I've never seen a certain thread. That shows flawless logic right there. Not only that, but Mods may be biased sometimes but they don't lock for no reason.

Second, why can't I discuss another site on here? I'm not allowed to?

You can. But 99% of the time I see people discussing 4chan its ridiculous shit which just riles people up. Maybe I should spend more time in general so I can see these great 4chan threads you speak of.

At 5/31/09 01:51 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote:
Why do people have the sort of "us or them" attitude towards 4chan? Discussion about 4chan is perfectly appropriate here. 4chan is a place for anonymity, but what if you don't want to discuss 4chan in an anonymous way?

I don't have an Us or Them attitude towards it. If someone made a thread genuinely discussing 4chan and what its all about i'd be all for it. But I've never seen a thread like that. And I doubt I ever will.

That kind of back seat moderation will maybe get you banned because its just not cool. It shows you don't respect the users you are posting with, and if that's the case, you certainly shouldn't be moderating the community.

How exactly does it show that you don't respect the users? Call me short-sighted or whatever, but I don't clearly see how merely helping out a user by pointing things out is a sign of disrespect. If anything, it should show that you care without being a condescending wanna-be mod.

Other times, I know, you guys just want to help. I was like that myself, but sometimes pming the user instead of posting in the thread is better. By posting in the thread and pointing it out you can derail the thread, you really aren't calling moderation attention to the situation, and you are giving user, who may be looking for it, more attention thats undeserved. The PM system is great if you find a problem. You can pm either the user or the moderator, but posting in threads that a user should be banned etc isn't really helping anyone.

Yes, the PM system is great for this, but if that were the case and everyone just used the PM system instead of "kinda backseat modding" then Mods would be swamped with messages. Furthermore, the PM system shouldn't be used all that much if Mods went into the threads themselves.

Mostly, I like to present the idea that there's a thin line between TELLING a user what they SHOULD be doing, and SUGGESTING an alternative and maybe linking to an EXAMPLE.

Out of everything, this has to be my biggest issue with the BBS. The line is often fuzzy and like you said very thin and it's sometimes hard to distinguish.

Just try not to imply you have authority when you don't because it sometimes make's our job harder.

People interpret posts differently. What may imply false authority to one user may not to another. It's all relative when it comes to this, unless of course it's blatantly obvious.

At 5/31/09 01:49 PM, Porkchop wrote:
I think he just defines silly much like one of us would define stupid or spammy.

By that logic, 99% of threads should be locked.

No, by that logic, the same threads would be locked, more or less.

As for the bit about the 4chan thing, who the hell cares. Go to /b/ to bitch about it, why would you do it here?

Because /b/ is the only part of 4chan, amirite?

Christ, you people are so fucking ignorant.

Baww, keep spouting "We're so ignorant"
The point is, most 4chan threads were about shit that someone saw on /b/. Most references to 4chan nowadays is related to /b/ inasmuch as telling one off for using a shit meme or something related, and you're right in saying that it's only a minor tangent related to 4chan. When the entire thread becomes about something stupid (as deemed so by the locking/deleting mod), it's locked. Personally, i'd just keep 4chan at 4chan.

At 5/31/09 01:58 PM, Viridis wrote:
I love the way you can honestly assume that I've never seen a certain thread.

I can.

It was far from recent and you hardly appear to be the fervent lurker type.

You can. But 99% of the time I see people discussing 4chan its ridiculous shit which just riles people up. Maybe I should spend more time in general so I can see these great 4chan threads you speak of.

I speak of no great threads.

Stop trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself look like the victor.

At 5/31/09 02:01 PM, Porkchop wrote:
When the entire thread becomes about something stupid (as deemed so by the locking/deleting mod), it's locked.

That's my point.

4chan threads got locked left and right because idiots tried to pick fights, while plenty of other equally awful threads faced no reprisal.

You know.. 4chan is actually a decent site once you overlook the whole /b/ cesspool of rubbish. They have some good boards and good discussion available.

I can't see the problem with talking about their activities, especially when they are in the news a lot now. I do agree with Gendo, I have seen perfectly good threads about 4chan locked due to the wrong reasons really.

Less bans and more warnings to newer users. They're newer and still learning the ins and outs of the BBS, and shouldn't be punished as severely for it. I remember when I was relatively new here and I'd be banned for every nook and cranny rule I broke, and never once got any warnings. They aren't 3-4 year regulars, they don't fully know what goes on here from day to day.

At 5/31/09 02:09 PM, Gagsy wrote:
You know.. 4chan is actually a decent site once you overlook the whole /b/ cesspool of rubbish. They have some good boards and good discussion available.

I can't see the problem with talking about their activities, especially when they are in the news a lot now. I do agree with Gendo, I have seen perfectly good threads about 4chan locked due to the wrong reasons really.

I agree. Most the the people who think 4chan think "/b/, no, GTFO now.". I hate to say it, but in reality, the BBS and 4chan are the same concept; a pile of shit with gold underneath it.

It looks disgusting, but start digging, and you'll find the good stuff. And the Mods can help by deleting the shit, and display the gold.