Where does the Westside start?

Is it a fixed place, with its own borders, customs and society,
or only a state of mind? The Westside is a familar concept to any Angeleno. We all know the basics.
The Beach. The Pier. The 310 area code. The 405 Freeway. But when it comes down to details, could we actually draw it on a map?
How far east does it run? Does it include Malibu?
How about West Hollywood?

With no official definition, there's no official answer. That's why we held this debate to ask readers
how they define the Westside. We shared our best guess, and then asked you to share your thoughts, and your maps, with
everyone below.

“You gotta stop it somewhere,” said Doug Smith,
the Times staffer responsible for drawing the boundaries. “Not everybody can live on the Westside.”

Where readers draw the line

Readers submitted more than 300 maps,
with borders ranging from Lincoln to La Brea and beyond*. The Times analyzed the results and no
one definition approached a majority.

The 405 Freeway leads all other candidates in the race to be declared the Westside's eastern border, appearing in
nearly 25 percent of reader comments. But it is closely trailed by a diverse field of candidates that includes a dozen different streets and
a cast of less precise perennials like traffic,
beauty,
beaches
and Buddhist enlightenment.

The map above shows
the L.A. neighborhoods
that readers most frequently included in their versions of the Westside. Each time a reader map
overlapped with a neighborhood, the neighborhood's score increased. The darkest neighborhoods are
the ones readers included most frequently.

Consensus couldn't be found, but several sets of partisans emerged. They include:

The 405 Faithful

The 405 Freeway was the most common answer, a position readers butressed with appeals to tradition.

"Grew up in the Valley. (pre Zappa)," said b martins. "Westside has always been west of 405 north of 10."

The La Cienega Set

As popular as the 405 was, many readers demanded a broader definition. Answers varied widely, but no city street outnumbered La Cienega Boulevard.

"Basically, Mulholland to the north, Santa Monica Fwy to the south, and La Cienega Blvd. to the east," said Robert.
"Anybody who says the Westside ends at the 405 is pretty sheltered and doesn't have a very good feel for the city they live in."

The Downtownists

A small but committed group of readers let the city's early history be their guide and cited Downtown L.A. as the dividing line.
This group tended to see the city as two parts, one west and one east, with no need for anything in between like The Times' Central L.A.

"It's just geography people," said Jerome.
"If Downtown is the center of the city ... then the west side is anything from downtown to the ocean."

The Potter Stewart School

Not everyone picked a city street as their dividing line. A number of readers defined the Westside using the fuzzier measures
of class, race and way of life.

"You're cruising down Beverly or Santa Monica Blvd, minding your own business, when all of sudden WHAM,
you realize you're surrounded by smug rich white people," said Eric.
"What could possibly be going on? You my friend, have entered the Westside Zone. (dee-dee-doo-doo-dee-dee-doo-doo)."

"It's something you feel as you're driving west. You could drive down Santa Monica Boulevard and you'd feel it," Smith said. "You're in a different world."

Does Smith plan to revise The Times' version of the Westside in response to reader maps?

"No. We won't make changes," he said. "Ours is built for the Mapping L.A.
site, with a community-first approach. So the regions will
continue to be a collection of communities. They are the building blocks."

"If we cut it off at the 405, what are we going to call the rest?" he asked. "The near Westside?"