Moving Marcus Camby rumors

Though i don't envision it happening, i would be quite distraught if i woke up sometime this week to find Camby on another team. Something obviously has to change though.
Moving Camby? There have been a number of reports suggesting NBA teams have been calling the L.A. Clippers inquiring about the availability of center Marcus Camby. Clippers' GM and Head Coach Mike Dunleavy played down the notion of a deal saying the Clips had a number of players other teams coveted and nothing was close or even serious.
Internally the Clippers have been adamant they would not trade Marcus Camby for two....

This is by far THE MOST DISFUNCTIONAL FRANCHISE IN SPORTING HISTORY!!!

The last 3 years we have had roster makeovers, more starting rotations than the military sending fresh faces overseas

More players getting hurt on this team than I can recall (Livingston, Brand, Maggette, Rush, Davis, Kaman, Camby, Gordon etc)

Worst losing pct than the Detroit Lions & Kansas City Royals in a 10 yr span

We always have the ambition, but never the direction

One of the worst owners in sports next to Al Davis

Camby is freaking 36 yrs old and his stock is as high as it is going to get.

So why not trade him for just another random player to add to the non-stopping carousel?

I think Blake wants to go with................can you blame him?

ekker3

12/14/2009 - 01:05 PM PST

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if camby leaves:

we're giving up on the season since he's one of our best players

we're commiting to a role player via trade instead of an elite player in 2010

we get name brian skinner our backup power forward behind rhino

if we trade kaman instead (as the article brings up):

we get to start the constantly lost deandre at the 5

come 2010, now we have to worry about replacing not 1 but 2 starting big men (kaman and camby) instead of going for the best available talent.

they're both giant mistakes.

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12/14/2009 - 01:15 PM PST

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^^^ I think trading Camby can make some sense under the right circumstances... First, we don't trade him to bring in another contract that takes up significant cap space next year. You're right. That would be foolish... However, if we could move him for a legit prospect who doesn't get paid alot and could be a fixture in our future (say Bayless), then it does make sense. The key is take only the right deal that doesn't jeopardize our chances this off season. It won't be easy to find the right move given the cap, etc. but if it comes along, we should take it... If it doesn't, then as you say, we should just wait... But if I can get Bayless and 7 million in cap space, I would prefer that to no Bayless and nine million in cap space. And remember, if Bayless doesn't pan out, he would be very easy to move at the end of the season or any time we wished since he only makes 2-million a year.... Little harm done.

Re: Trading Kaman, I think you're exactly right.

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12/14/2009 - 01:29 PM PST

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im always weary about acquiring players that are demanding trades and complaining about minutes (especially when they're just starting out their careers and expecting that they're entitled to starters minutes and superstardom).

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12/14/2009 - 02:27 PM PST

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Its all a little bit scary now. We have to hope that Dunleavy the GM doesn't start considering short term, band-aid type moves that he thinks might help save Dunleavy the coach's job. Parting with Camby mid-season for anything other than a star or a low-priced prospect who won't cost us our cap space would fit that description.

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12/14/2009 - 02:31 PM PST

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I agree, but I was using Bayless as an example of the type of player... Inexpensive, yet with the potential to become a very solid player. I don't know that Bayless has complained all that much... These days if a player says "I sure wish I were playing more," the media can turn it into a scandal.

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12/14/2009 - 02:57 PM PST

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12/14/2009 - 03:33 PM PST

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Probably right on both accounts but I like the idea of moving Camby for an elite wing. Blake is back soon and with him, we are overly deep in the frontcourt. Need better balance on the roster as Sool and Ricky are obviously not getting it done. We can spare Camby once Blake is back...as long as we get real value at the wing position in return.

I agree, don't trade Kaman. DJ is no Bynum yet.

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12/14/2009 - 04:57 PM PST

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I don't think trading Camby is smart until we know Blake is ready to start even then I'd ask for a pick and a prospect like GEORGE HILL if that rumor was true damn we missed out. Then use the draft to rebuild the rest of the bench and free agency to decide whether if Thornton stays starter or we get our new guy at SF.

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12/14/2009 - 05:22 PM PST

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i still would not trade Camby, i would like to keep him, and resign him to a smaller contract that way we can get a superstar

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12/14/2009 - 06:07 PM PST

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just keep him. we wouldnt even have 5 wins if it werent for cambys hustle and the plays he makes whenever it seems as if its all done. the defense that he plays in clutch moments is awesome, he starts ALLL of the runs we go on, with a block and or hustle play. ALL of the runs, he starts.

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12/14/2009 - 06:10 PM PST

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Why would Camby agree to a smaller contract when he's going to be a free agent in June, available to the highest bidder?

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12/14/2009 - 06:12 PM PST

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^^^ I think trading Camby can make some sense under the right circumstances... First, we don't trade him to bring in another contract that takes up significant cap space next year. You're right. That would be foolish... However, if we could move him for a legit prospect who doesn't get paid alot and could be a fixture in our future (say Bayless), then it does make sense. The key is take only the right deal that doesn't jeopardize our chances this off season. It won't be easy to find the right move given the cap, etc. but if it comes....

i still would not trade Camby, i would like to keep him, and resign him to a smaller contract that way we can get a superstar

Why would Camby agree to a smaller contract when he's going to be a free agent in June, available to the highest bidder?

Don't you think he could be signed for the midlevel next year? Dude is old. I wouldn't sign him at age 37 next summer for much more than that.

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12/14/2009 - 11:22 PM PST

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Trade Kaman, he's ugly

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12/14/2009 - 11:52 PM PST

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After Deandre fouls out in 8 min. Who would play the rest of the 40 min. If Kaman is traded, the Clippers will not have a center, since Camby can't guard stronger players.

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12/15/2009 - 12:42 AM PST

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all that bragging about having the best post duo in the league and dun is just gonna trade that away...

that dude (dumbleavy) babbles nonsense

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12/15/2009 - 12:50 AM PST

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puddnhead83 wrote:

ekker3 wrote:

if we trade kaman instead (as the article brings up):

we get to start the constantly lost deandre at the 5

After Deandre fouls out in 8 min. Who would play the rest of the 40 min. If Kaman is traded, the Clippers will not have a center, since Camby can't guard stronger players.

yup, im with you - that's what im meant. dont trade kaman.

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12/15/2009 - 12:54 AM PST

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If we can get an equal value center who's more defensive minded like Kendrick Perkins or Tyson Chandler, i can assure you we won't miss Kaman. Sure Kaman is having a very good year. I just think he needs to be a go to guy on a team to be efficient. When other players step up he falls down.

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12/15/2009 - 01:07 AM PST

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If we trade Camby.. look for every team to score +50 points in the paint cause Kaman can't play defense.

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12/15/2009 - 03:46 AM PST

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Why doesn't anyone think about something a bit more obvious...

Say we did trade Chris Kaman, what would we as a team like in return?

Obviously we view Kaman a bit higher up on the trade scale than most as fans, and probably the organization as well. But then again most teams that have a good player and are considering trading him want to sorta, "rip" the other team off. I however can see the Clippers entertaining a few things here.

1 - We move Kaman to a team where we can get a good role player, or potential starter at the 3. Maybe even throw in Al Thornton as part of the deal, thus heating up accusations that we are in fact going to throw the house at Lebron in 2010, or at least make a play to get a SF in the draft.

2 - In said trade we bring in a bad contract that expires in 2010, thus heating up talks again that we are going to TRY to get someone like Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Amare.

3 - Having brought in a role player or a solid asset, and a bad contract we are looking to the future, that being DeAndre Jordan. Maybe the Clippers feel that with a bit more playing time and guidance he can be a starting Center in a couple years. Which leads me to

4 - We trade Kaman, bringing in a solid contributor either a starter or a bench player, along with someone ( or all pieces we get ) whose contract expires in 2010, thus freeing up more cap space, thus allowing us to actively pursue someone like WAde, Lebron, Bosh or Amare etc. Thus also giving us extra cap room to RE SIGN MARCUS CAMBY.

Finally

5 - After making a big play for a top flight player in the 2010 FA pool, whether we sign one or not people are panicking what to do about the 5 spot? Well heres where that extra cap space comes in, we make a 1-3 year offer to Camby who can play the 5 for us while Jordan gets good minutes off the bench at Center. Leaving us with Camby at the 5 and Griffin at the 4. And Smith/Jordan as primary back ups.

Although Camby is old, he is still an absolute monster, a great leader and a highly intelligent basketball player. Jordan hasn't had his time to shine really, and last year during the start of the season everyone was saying the same things about him. Then the last half of the year came along and bam, he was improving. Same COULD be said this year. Maybe he just has to get some more confidence and so forth. Yes this displeases people but I'd rather have him play great the last half so we have a better shot at a better record, showing FA's we are improving our young talent and to theoretically make a playoff run.

Jordan needs time and a mentor, losing Camby would be a blow, and I don't think Chris is the guy we need teaching him 1 on 1. Camby is the player that I believe we all hope he turns into, a defensive leader who down the stretch of his career starts doing things nobody knew he could, like hitting jumpers, passing well, stealing the ball etc.

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12/15/2009 - 09:59 AM PST

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Two things will help us sign a significant free agent next summer......cap space.....and looking like a team with a future. We are already in a good position to have the money. But whatever move we make better add W's and a chance to make the playoffs. The best players are going to want to go and play with a winner or at least with a team on its way up. That is not us at the present time. The clock is ticking.

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12/15/2009 - 10:31 AM PST

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SamMays wrote:

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i still would not trade Camby, i would like to keep him, and resign him to a smaller contract that way we can get a superstar

Why would Camby agree to a smaller contract when he's going to be a free agent in June, available to the highest bidder?

because if we can sign a superstar we have a chance for championship, i think camby would take a pay cut to be on a good team. And if we get a superstar we will be a scary team, plus i remember an article he doesnt like to move because of his children.

SamMays

12/15/2009 - 10:41 AM PST

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I don't think we have any chance at a superstar if Dunleavy is still here... Likewise, I don't think Camby will resign if Dunleavy is still here... Furthermore, why would we want a 36-year-old Camby when our future is with youth.

In any event, our positive future won't start until Dunleavy is gone... We have to go one step at a time to turn this ship around. Fire Dunleavy. Hire a GM with a plan and let him deal with administrating said plan.

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12/15/2009 - 10:51 AM PST

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Is Sterling interviewing new coaches yet? Does he even have the savvy to know which coach to hire? As GM, will Dunleavy be interviewing to replace himself as coach? Free agents will not perceive this team as being on it's way up with Dunleavy as coach........to much history of failure!

TheDude

12/15/2009 - 10:55 AM PST

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Meet your new GM, Mr. Charles Barkley. If he was offered the job, the guy takes it without a second thought.

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12/15/2009 - 11:04 AM PST

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Slightly more detailed rumors:

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12/15/2009 - 11:19 AM PST

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BoomRizzle wrote:

Slightly more detailed rumors:

Joseph Mael of the Los Angeles Clippers Examiner wrote:

Mike Dunleavy has steered clear of confirming the rumor that Marcus Camby is on the way out of a Clippers uniform, says the L.A. Times.

The smooth rebounding machine is currently ranked 6th in the league with an 11 rebound per game average, while also blocking 2.1 shots per game (5th in the league). The 33 year-old is in the final year of his Clipper contract worth $9.1 million.

Camby has value, as he has proved to be durable, consistent and a leader on a disappointing team. Camby is a fan favorite, and has sweet tattoos. Take away the miserable luck of this year's squad, and he'd be in the thick of a fantastic season.

Marcus is also a man who knows his role as a player and understands where he and his team stands, often making insightful comments in interviews and trying desperately to show the fans he has the heart.

Trade rumors include a 3-team deal that could bring Tracy McGrady to L.A. (no thank you), but there is another movement that involves a salary dump to make room for a potential deal for Lebron James this summer to join Baron, Kaman, Gordon, and Griffin. Of course there are all sorts of trade ideas popping up. Some involve Joe Johnson and Dwayne Wade, but realistically, there seems to be little chance of any of these super-stars to enter the Staples Center in a Clippers uniform.

Camby is not going to bring us any more wins than what he has already provided. If t-mac can bring any offense back i say bring him in and see how he can play for us. Our offense sucks and we dont have any go to guy. Maybe T-mac can bring some fans back and his contract expires this year so if we did some type of deal for him would clear room for a big tim FA.

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12/15/2009 - 12:32 PM PST

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With Camby every team is scoring +50 points in the paint. Camby is not a center. If the clippers trade Kaman, Blake would have to guard all the bigger guys. That is a lot of pressure to put on the Rookie. With Kaman gone, Skinner is the only good defense big man the Clippers have.

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12/15/2009 - 01:17 PM PST

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Having seen over a quarter of the season now, it's pretty clear that TMAC or Camby is not the answer... We thought and hoped that maybe the job of rebuilding this franchise had been done and that we were playoff calibre. That's clearly not the case. The parts don't match and as a result, we've fallen behind many of the teams we were supposed to be ahead of, OKC and even Memphis... Both of those teams have past us and have better young rosters than we do and are better positioned to improve than we are.

Sure, I know we're 10 - 13, which is not the worst record and, theoretically, we're still in the hunt. The problem is, the easy part of our schedule is past in another three games. From here on in we'll have a lot more games against the likes of SA, Utah, Pheonix, and the Lakers than we'll have against Washington.

Sad to say, but this franchise needs to rebuild once again... The good news is we have two and possible three solid NBA pieces to work with. Gordon. Griffin and Kaman... Possibly even Thornton, though I think he's a bad match for Griffin when he comes back... I think, once again, the Clippers are about next year and the team should make moves accordingly... Shedding contracts and adding youth and cap space. In today's NBA, we're two good moves away from dramatic improvement...

But Camby and Baron, as expensive older players, don't fit into those plans.

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12/15/2009 - 01:59 PM PST

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I generally agree. I think Camby is likely to elsewhere in the off season anyway. My question about Baron is whether having him on the team helps in terms of our pursuit of a big FA acquisition this summer. If we could sign one of the major FAs, including even Joe Johnson, I think the other players on the roster are good enough that we could immediately become a playoff caliber team with only minor tweaking. Even thought the parts don't fit great now, I think the addition of one superstar could significantly improve things. I guess what I'm saying is that I would reserve moving forward with a major rebuilding project until we see how we do in the FA market this summer. Besides, I think its unlikely we'll move Baron or Camby during the season anyway.

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12/15/2009 - 02:48 PM PST

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I agree that T-mac s not the answer, but for a salary unload to pick up his contract for the rest of the year wouldnt be a horrible thing and if he plays 80% of regular T-Mac play, him and Eric Gordon could be pretty exciting together. Tmac likesto handle the ball and dishes out a good amount of assists and then we hae all of the sudden over $25 million to spend.

Could work great. Mabe a 3 way deal with the Blazers and rockets. Send the blazers Baron the rockets Camby and of course move around pieces to make it work. If we can do whatever it takes to unload Baron it is worth it.

Kaman on the other hand is very fairly priced for center. Most centers who dont even average a double double make around $10 million. Not really much better production at that price range available

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12/15/2009 - 03:34 PM PST

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^^^ Yeah, if we had to take T-Mac to move Baron, so be it... I'd do it... I just have so much trouble believing anyone would help us out by taking him.

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12/15/2009 - 03:48 PM PST

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That'll be good for the future, but our team looks horrible right now when Baron is not in the game. We will really hurt if we don't get a descent point back.

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12/15/2009 - 04:13 PM PST

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Warriors have put their young prospect Anthony Randolph on the trading block if their is any move to make with Camby this may be is package Camby and a future 1st for AR and Vlad(wait til jan 15th) or get Maggs (eating his contract will make it easier to move that pick to a 2nd rounder).

Clipps fans this is our chance to cash in. when healthy the team is going into the next season

Baron Davis/

Eric Gordon/

Thornton/ or Thornton

Blake Griffin/ Anthony Randolph

Kaman/D.J.

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12/15/2009 - 04:20 PM PST

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wait, camby and a 2nd rounder for maggette and his 5 year ugly contract?

vladrad has a player option next year for close to 7 million. you better believe he's gonna take it.

i like randolph, but he's the same ball-stopper that ras and al are. logjam of ballstoppers at the 3.

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12/15/2009 - 04:33 PM PST

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ekker3 wrote:

Icecoldclipper wrote:

Warriors have put their young prospect Anthony Randolph on the trading block if their is any move to make with Camby this may be is package Camby and a 1st for AR and Vlad(wait til jan 15th) or get Maggs (eating his contract will make it easier to move that pick to a 2nd rounder).

Clipps fans this is our chance to cash in. when healthy the team is going into the next season

Baron Davis/

Eric Gordon/

Thornton/ or Thornton

Blake Griffin/ Anthony Randolph

Kaman/D.J.

wait, camby and a 2nd rounder for maggette and his 5 year ugly contract?

vladrad has a player option next year for close to 7 million. you better believe he's gonna take it.

i like randolph, but he's the same ball-stopper that ras and al are. logjam of ballstoppers at the 3.

He would be developed at the 4 and maybe get 3 time if everyone at the 3 gets hurt. I think a Blake Griffin and AR Power Forward combo is deadly and I think they will push each other and make each other better. I see AR being a Lamar Odom type if he can be developed fully and put AR and DJ together off the bench come on this is a risk we should take.

As far as Maggs We do need some bench scoring and we could maybe flip him next season for someone else like we did Z-Bo come Ekker this is a shot at true Clipper development.

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12/15/2009 - 07:05 PM PST

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Camby seems headed down the road where the Clippers are going to say. He is a veteran player and we moved him to a team that has a chance at the title. Clippers will take ONLY expiring contracts that total less than Camby's. The Clips will in turn save money this year and still have cap space. The Clips are not going to take a contract back that's longer than this year, unless they can sucker someone into taking Baron the Bum. And the idea of trading Kaman is nuts, Deandre Jordan is the worst free throw shooter in the history of the NBA and that makes him not capable of being a center. Sad part is that he apparently isnt too embarassed by it.

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12/16/2009 - 12:03 AM PST

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The first part of that may be true. The second part is not. He's worked very hard at it and knows that costs him playing time. For a very poor free throw shooter, his stroke isn't actually that bad, so there is hope... The real problem is that it's gotten into his head and his confidence is non existant.

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Randolph(not Zbo) is a very talented kid. I'd pull the trigga on that trade in seconds.

After Deandre fouls out in 8 min. Who would play the rest of the 40 min. If Kaman is traded, the Clippers will not have a center, since Camby can't guard stronger players.

So how did Kaman's strength help in defending Dwight Howard?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291208012
How did Kaman's strength help defend Tim Duncan?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291208012
How did Kaman's strength help defend Marc Gasol?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291118029
Nice.
Still Believe Kaman is worth keeping but not "OMG it's Kaman" with it though, those are games Skinner should of played. To the DJ point the team needs to stop playing with him like he is Kaman in the post trying to....

I think regarding DJ you confuse pre season with regular season... In the preseason, DJ would frequently set a high pick and roll, catching a lob and dunking it. It was pretty to watch. How many of those have you seen in the regular season. Perhaps two... It's an easy play for defenses to stop since they know it's DJ's only weapon.

Dwight Howard, who everyone seems to think has no moves other than a dunk, actually has pretty good footwark, some up fakes and knows how to use his strength to free himself for those dunks. DJ has none of those skills yet. DJ doesn't get open lanes to the basket.

Nore can he play up high like Camby and move the ball, then sneak to the offensive glass on a shot attempt... DJ is DJ... A long term project and little more at this point.

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12/16/2009 - 12:53 PM PST

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not to mention howard could probably shoulder press dj with one arm.

howard's game revolves around his strength, something dj needs to develop if he's gonna be one-dimensional. lets wait and see what happens when he develop his "man-weight" in a couple years.