he deserved it just as much i think.. better story.. fumbles were horrible, but he had some nice throws and runs for score.. who cares anyways, sunday's all i care about , then the playoffs and RW ROY... done deal.

NorCal wrote:Third QB ever to throw for 4 TDs at Foxboro. The others are Brady and Manning. Sounds impressive to me.

I'm not sure how impressive it is, really; when's the last time the Patriots had an elite defense? Even when their defense was good under Belichick, DBs were their biggest weakness. DB has been the biggest weakness on the entire Patriots team for most of Belichick's reign there. Don't get me wrong, 4 passing TDs is a good QB showing regardless, but it's not like it's a challenge to throw against the Patriots defense. Hasn't been for a long, long time. It also hasn't been a challenge to run against them most of Belichick's career there, either.

Also probably the worst showing by the Patriots in a half (first half) ever. I couldn't believe all the mistakes, as well as pieces of luck here and there for the 49ers, that contributed to the make-up of that first half.

NorCal wrote:Third QB ever to throw for 4 TDs at Foxboro. The others are Brady and Manning. Sounds impressive to me.

I'm not sure how impressive it is, really; when's the last time the Patriots had an elite defense? Even when their defense was good under Belichick, DBs were their biggest weakness. DB has been the biggest weakness on the entire Patriots team for most of Belichick's reign there. Don't get me wrong, 4 passing TDs is a good QB showing regardless, but it's not like it's a challenge to throw against the Patriots defense. Hasn't been for a long, long time. It also hasn't been a challenge to run against them most of Belichick's career there, either.

Also probably the worst showing by the Patriots in a half (first half) ever. I couldn't believe all the mistakes, as well as pieces of luck here and there for the 49ers, that contributed to the make-up of that first half.

No doubt. For all that Belichick gets a lot of pub for being some defensive mastermind, his defenses usually suck arse. Sure he's a good coach, but a lot of his resume comes courtesy of Tom Brady (and Lawrence Taylor).

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CANHawk wrote:Yeah, Kap did good and really deserves some credit, but those fumbles were horrible. He got straight up lucky to not have 4 really bad give aways.

He also threw a few bad ducks that at least one of which would have been picked off by our secondary, too.

I think Kaepernick's going to get exposed this Sunday. If SF wins, it'll be because of the ground game. That is, assuming our 3rd-string CB plays well like he did last week. Missing Browner is definitely a concern.

NorCal wrote:Third QB ever to throw for 4 TDs at Foxboro. The others are Brady and Manning. Sounds impressive to me.

I'm not sure how impressive it is, really; when's the last time the Patriots had an elite defense? Even when their defense was good under Belichick, DBs were their biggest weakness. DB has been the biggest weakness on the entire Patriots team for most of Belichick's reign there. Don't get me wrong, 4 passing TDs is a good QB showing regardless, but it's not like it's a challenge to throw against the Patriots defense. Hasn't been for a long, long time. It also hasn't been a challenge to run against them most of Belichick's career there, either.

Also probably the worst showing by the Patriots in a half (first half) ever. I couldn't believe all the mistakes, as well as pieces of luck here and there for the 49ers, that contributed to the make-up of that first half.

You're bashing the Patriots defense, when Wilson tore up the BILLS defense.

NorCal wrote:Third QB ever to throw for 4 TDs at Foxboro. The others are Brady and Manning. Sounds impressive to me.

I'm not sure how impressive it is, really; when's the last time the Patriots had an elite defense? Even when their defense was good under Belichick, DBs were their biggest weakness. DB has been the biggest weakness on the entire Patriots team for most of Belichick's reign there. Don't get me wrong, 4 passing TDs is a good QB showing regardless, but it's not like it's a challenge to throw against the Patriots defense. Hasn't been for a long, long time. It also hasn't been a challenge to run against them most of Belichick's career there, either.

Also probably the worst showing by the Patriots in a half (first half) ever. I couldn't believe all the mistakes, as well as pieces of luck here and there for the 49ers, that contributed to the make-up of that first half.

your kinda of making our point... if the Pats D is so terrible(and it is) then why doesn't everyone throw 4 TD's in foxboro... come on bro we can play this game all u want but we know what Kaep did in his 3rd road start against belichick on Sunday Night Football was impressive

NorCal wrote:Third QB ever to throw for 4 TDs at Foxboro. The others are Brady and Manning. Sounds impressive to me.

I'm not sure how impressive it is, really; when's the last time the Patriots had an elite defense? Even when their defense was good under Belichick, DBs were their biggest weakness. DB has been the biggest weakness on the entire Patriots team for most of Belichick's reign there. Don't get me wrong, 4 passing TDs is a good QB showing regardless, but it's not like it's a challenge to throw against the Patriots defense. Hasn't been for a long, long time. It also hasn't been a challenge to run against them most of Belichick's career there, either.

Also probably the worst showing by the Patriots in a half (first half) ever. I couldn't believe all the mistakes, as well as pieces of luck here and there for the 49ers, that contributed to the make-up of that first half.

your kinda of making our point... if the Pats D is so terrible(and it is) then why doesn't everyone throw 4 TD's in foxboro... come on bro we can play this game all u want but we know what Kaep did in his 3rd road start against belichick on Sunday Night Football was impressive

well seemingly every man and his dog can put up 108 points against the Cardinals and Bills

therealjohncarlson wrote:So should we also count terrible throws that are nearly picked out of a QBs rating?

Yes, with the exception being balls that were tipped. I'd love to see that included, but it would HAVE to have some logical things put into it. Don't count cases where there is PI happening against the player on offense that is targeted, i.e., pushing a receiver down as the ball's getting thrown, turning what might have been a good pass into a bad one.

The more I think about it, this would be a tremendously difficult stat to quantify. I'm not sure it's possible with any degree of fairness, frankly; but I'd love it if it could be done. I'd also love it if they penalized QBs for passes the receiver has to adjust to, assuming the receiver is running a crisp/correct route.

AF_Hawk wrote:Wasn't Russell Wilson the first rookie to rush for 3 tds and throw for 1 in a game since the 1950s? And that was all in the first half. I think I read that somewhere, but I could be wrong.

I saw this somewhere too, that Russell Wilson was the first QB ever to run for 3 TDs and throw for one in the first half of a game.