and furthermore... the reason i SIDE with the ZFT on this issue all along is because they own the fucking music and the rights to it. it's really pretty simple. Andre wanted soooooo badly to be part of it and he was rejected. GET OVER IT DUDE! end of fucking story.

Shut up you stupid Trendmonger lapdog asslicking son of a cocksucking mother who has no idea who you father is asshole son of a bitch. Being related to a famous person does not allow anyone (I'm talking about Gail and Dweezil here) the right to be an arrogant, wrong-headed and legally ignorant asshole. And why a great original artist like Adrian Belew would ever feel compelled to Kow Tow to a tribute band leader like Dweezil is beyond me. I think he's probably just too nice of a guy. As for you jaypfunk you assmunching douchebag (just speaking to you in your own language that you 've been polluting this website with for years), I'm sorry you're an over-the-hill piece of crap who only has the Roxy DVD to look forward to in your miserable life. Go suck on a tailpipe you bullying piece of rat excrement.

Lets play nice kids. We all know who our common enemy is.IDo you think the ZFT just don't like other tribute bands as they don't make any money from them?

They own the rights but as stated, you can cover music on disc and pay royalties and perform it live in a licensed venue, belongs that is happening no law is broken.

I'm not really sure of the common enemy you're speaking of. I'm sure as hell not a part of any collective. I'm not really sure of Gail's (the ZFT's) motivation because it's just so bizarre and has no legal grounding (which she has proven herself with her failed lawsuits). Tribute bands are big business these days and while I give ZPZ and Dweezil credit for doing such a good job, in theory they are no different than Project/Object or that Eagles Tribute band playing at your local bar this weekend.

From the versions presented, it's clear that Dweezil didn't want Andre around during ZPZ's show and asked Adrian to pass it on to Andre.Adrian said nothing to Andre.At the show, Andre was around...obviously, because he was working on Adrian's gig, which was on before ZPZ. It's normal for muso's to hang around after their gig to watch the next one. He didn't know Dweezil had warned him off, so how could he possibly be dumb or arrogant or culpable for what happened? Sure, he'd had issues with ZFT but he had a right to be in the vicinity, for fucks sake. He was working there!I think it's a bit unreasonable for Dweezil to ask that at a public event, someone should not be in his line of sight.I've met Andre and he's a nice and reasonable guy, not an arsehole. I've also met Dweezil (briefly) and he's a nice guy too. Adrian was put on the spot and said nothing, but I can understand that he didn't want to upset Andre with it and just hoped everything would be ok. He's a nice guy too. Shit still happens among nice guys.

From the versions presented, it's clear that Dweezil didn't want Andre around during ZPZ's show and asked Adrian to pass it on to Andre.Adrian said nothing to Andre.At the show, Andre was around...obviously, because he was working on Adrian's gig, which was on before ZPZ. It's normal for muso's to hang around after their gig to watch the next one. He didn't know Dweezil had warned him off, so how could he possibly be dumb or arrogant or culpable for what happened? Sure, he'd had issues with ZFT but he had a right to be in the vicinity, for fucks sake. He was working there!I think it's a bit unreasonable for Dweezil to ask that at a public event, someone should not be in his line of sight.I've met Andre and he's a nice and reasonable guy, not an arsehole. I've also met Dweezil (briefly) and he's a nice guy too. Adrian was put on the spot and said nothing, but I can understand that he didn't want to upset Andre with it and just hoped everything would be ok. He's a nice guy too. Shit still happens among nice guys.

And it was a festival date, a huge one, which is a different animal. Just one big cluster fuck.

and furthermore... the reason i SIDE with the ZFT on this issue all along is because they own the fucking music and the rights to it. it's really pretty simple. Andre wanted soooooo badly to be part of it and he was rejected. GET OVER IT DUDE! end of fucking story.

Shut up you stupid Trendmonger lapdog asslicking son of a cocksucking mother who has no idea who you father is asshole son of a bitch. Being related to a famous person does not allow anyone (I'm talking about Gail and Dweezil here) the right to be an arrogant, wrong-headed and legally ignorant asshole. And why a great original artist like Adrian Belew would ever feel compelled to Kow Tow to a tribute band leader like Dweezil is beyond me. I think he's probably just too nice of a guy. As for you jaypfunk you assmunching douchebag (just speaking to you in your own language that you 've been polluting this website with for years), I'm sorry you're an over-the-hill piece of crap who only has the Roxy DVD to look forward to in your miserable life. Go suck on a tailpipe you bullying piece of rat excrement.

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From the versions presented, it's clear that Dweezil didn't want Andre around during ZPZ's show and asked Adrian to pass it on to Andre.Adrian said nothing to Andre.At the show, Andre was around...obviously, because he was working on Adrian's gig, which was on before ZPZ. It's normal for muso's to hang around after their gig to watch the next one. He didn't know Dweezil had warned him off, so how could he possibly be dumb or arrogant or culpable for what happened? Sure, he'd had issues with ZFT but he had a right to be in the vicinity, for fucks sake. He was working there!I think it's a bit unreasonable for Dweezil to ask that at a public event, someone should not be in his line of sight.I've met Andre and he's a nice and reasonable guy, not an arsehole. I've also met Dweezil (briefly) and he's a nice guy too. Adrian was put on the spot and said nothing, but I can understand that he didn't want to upset Andre with it and just hoped everything would be ok. He's a nice guy too. Shit still happens among nice guys.

After all the bullshit time wasted, money wasted that Andre put the ZFT thru he should have known better to steer clear of ZPZ. That's it. Arrogance or just plain stupidness?

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Seems to me Andre knew the score at the time of this little shindig... if he was going to "hang around" the ZPZ set - he was just instigating something. Period. No different than an older brother "hanging around" his younger brother and just being present... making trouble without lifting a finger. Just be in the same area and create tension.

This topic incited me to reread Necessity Is... and I think it's a smashing read.

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Unfortunately, in the early nineties a lawsuit between Zappa and some of the ex-Mothers members arose concerning a dispute over back royalties due over a period of of [sic] 25 years. When asked about the situation a few years back, Jimmy Carl Black commented: "I can't really talk about that. As far as my feelings about Frank, I loved Frank Zappa and I always will. He was like a brother to me. I learned a lot from him and I think he learned a lot from the original Mothers. Frank was a real friend of mine. I don't know how he felt, but that's the way I felt about it." By the time the lawsuit was settled, Bunk Gardner was asked what his feelings were. "They are the same I had at the end of our association in October 1969, which is sadness and disappointment. I'm not at liberty to discuss any aspects of the lawsuit. In closing, all that I can say is that in spite of some of the difficulties, I have a lot of great memories and lifetime friendships as a result of my years with the Mothers of Invention."

25 years has to be a mistake, hence "sic". The MOI sued first in January 1985, that's 15 years and 5 months after the MOI demise. Then I dunno what happened to the case, but it was reopened in 1990, this time for "defamation of character" as FZ had dismissed the whole suit as some drug-induced crap (my own wording). Eventually it was settled out of court in 1991. So that's 22 years after the breakup.

I think they decided to sue once they heard that FZ was going to re-release the old MOI albums. Or release the Old Masters set, if you will.

Oh crap, of course, the period of 25 years may in fact mark from the release of Freak-Out till '91! That indeed is 25 years! This was a matter of unreceived royalties, remember! The MOI thought they deserve performance royalties. FZ of course dismissed the whole concept, maintaining that the composer alone deserves royalties and the rest should be treated as mere hired hands. The MOI were full of frustrations for not getting paid enough. So the re-release of old albums could've been a tipping point: as if FZ was going to profit from the sale of these albums again without the other players seeing a single dime for them.

That's my effort to understand this mess.

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Thanks Phuzby, you understand me. The sic was my addition: Billy James used the word "of" twice there and I wanted to quote verbatim but still maintain my language profile. But were you referring to me as "his"? On one hand it's a mistake I understand, with the Zappa-fandom being very masculine, but on the other hand, did you miss the discussion about my front page on this topic?

Fortunately my home country, for all the flaws within the music industry, does have a separate union for studio musicians, so that they too can get a small amount of money whenever a song they play on is bought or played on the radio. PALM, they're called. Seems like music business is something FZ was attempting to master on the go, since his musicians would be in the right unless they signed a contract stating otherwise. By Dutch law at least.

I think the Dweeze is all wet on the Ottawa deal. He doesn't have the right to dictate where someone can be or not be. He doesn't own the stage, except when he's actually playing on the front of it. He also stupidly involved Adrian Belew, sticking him in the center of something he had no clue about.

It's not harassment to sue someone. But to threaten venues and sue repeatedly is harassment, given that the ZFT never won any suits, to my knowledge. The law clearly allows for tribute bands to play covers and not have to cough up any cash.

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Do you think the ZFT just don't like other tribute bands as they don't make any money from them?

They own the rights but as stated, you can cover music on disc and pay royalties and perform it live in a licensed venue, belongs that is happening no law is broken.

Isn't it ZFT, who gets the royalties?

And, it is ZPZ, who covers the music, not the such members of "tribute bands". Members of ZPZ did not even play in any Frank's band (okay, Dweezil played lead guitar couple of times, but you know, what I mean). But here we are talking about people, who actually played with Frank, and he personally trained them to play his music. Few days ago, I saw Banned From Utopia live (Ed Mann, Ray White, Bobby Martin, Albert Wing, Tom Fowler + Morgan Agren, Mike Miller), and I can't imagine, it can get any better, than this was. I personally prefer to see people, who actually played with FZ on gigs and albums, and so they are at least some part of "the original", instead of revival band, even if it is official and authorized. It's the music, what matters, not who owns rights on it.

Do you think the ZFT just don't like other tribute bands as they don't make any money from them?

They own the rights but as stated, you can cover music on disc and pay royalties and perform it live in a licensed venue, belongs that is happening no law is broken.

Isn't it ZFT, who gets the royalties?

And, it is ZPZ, who covers the music, not the such members of "tribute bands". Members of ZPZ did not even play in any Frank's band (okay, Dweezil played lead guitar couple of times, but you know, what I mean). But here we are talking about people, who actually played with Frank, and he personally trained them to play his music. Few days ago, I saw Banned From Utopia live (Ed Mann, Ray White, Bobby Martin, Albert Wing, Tom Fowler + Morgan Agren, Mike Miller), and I can't imagine, it can get any better, than this was. I personally prefer to see people, who actually played with FZ on gigs and albums, and so they are at least some part of "the original", instead of revival band, even if it is official and authorized. It's the music, what matters, not who owns rights on it.

I catch an alumni show every chance I get. They not only play the music right, they can improvise on it too, just like they did with FZ every night on every tour. DZpZ does a great job of replicating the recorded versions. Not much room to improvise there.

MOI and the ZFT becoming working friends...never happen. To bad too, DZ could learn a lot more about how his dad got what he wanted from the guys and gals that gave Frank the sound he wanted, when he wanted it.

As far as DZ, Adrian and Andre', that shit's going on five tours/years ago, who still gives a fuck anyway?

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