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05-23-2014 10:33 PM

Kyndaara

Agree with the clean out/regenerate theory, especially if you are going to collect/freeze. Had a friend who collected her male and they were dead. A couple of days later--wallah. Not sure what Proscar does but know of a stud dog maintained on it that bred until he was 12--live cover. I never did reconcile 60 days regeneration vs. a couple of days but learned the hard way that if the male hasn't been used recently and you are contemplating a breeding with fresh chilled, do a clean out.

Great!!! I forgot to ask about the drugs you mentioned sorry!!! I am sure your guy(vet) is leading you on the right path. If taking him off that drug will significantly increase count, then you should have zero issues.

Edit: just did a quick search on Finasteride, I can see why it would impede sperm count. Did he have prostatitis? Just curious why he was on it.

He did have BPH. We don't take the full amount now. Almost all male intact dogs (and humans) have it so he still takes it off and on though we've had no issues in years

05-22-2014 09:51 PM

gsdsar

Sperm evaluation...

Great!!! I forgot to ask about the drugs you mentioned sorry!!! I am sure your guy(vet) is leading you on the right path. If taking him off that drug will significantly increase count, then you should have zero issues.

So I asked my vet today what she thought of the numbers you gave. Her biggest concern was with the count. To her 125 mil/mL is low. Unless they got 8-10 mL. If they only got 2-3 mL, then that's not great.

As for cleaning him out. Not necessary for most dogs, but for some it can help, but should be done no less than 7 days prior to breeding.

She also asked about the morphology of the 80%. I didn't know the answer. She just wasn't sure what they included in the 80%, if the included defective sperm than that makes usable sperm even less. If not, than she though the 80% was ok.

If you are really hoping to breed him, I would find a boarded or very experienced repro vet. It's a small number of boarded theriogenologists, but you may have a vet in the area that does a huge amount if repro work.

Original text was "He has a good sperm count. 80% motility. I will have actual count and defects later. Initial analysis good." Theoretically if I pull him off finasteride the count should increase by asuch as 4 fold from what studies I've found

This is a repro vet and also a dob breeder

05-22-2014 09:21 PM

gsdsar

So I asked my vet today what she thought of the numbers you gave. Her biggest concern was with the count. To her 125 mil/mL is low. Unless they got 8-10 mL. If they only got 2-3 mL, then that's not great.

As for cleaning him out. Not necessary for most dogs, but for some it can help, but should be done no less than 7 days prior to breeding.

She also asked about the morphology of the 80%. I didn't know the answer. She just wasn't sure what they included in the 80%, if the included defective sperm than that makes usable sperm even less. If not, than she though the 80% was ok.

If you are really hoping to breed him, I would find a boarded or very experienced repro vet. It's a small number of boarded theriogenologists, but you may have a vet in the area that does a huge amount if repro work.

I don't think cleaning out is really necessary. At least not in my experience. We took our 10yo male to a repro vet a while back for evaluation and freezing. He actually double checked the dog's AKC papers for birthdate because after looking at the sample he didn't believe the dog's age and said the count, motility and survival after freezing and thawing a small sample was better than most young dogs. Just one collection provided a large enough sample for 13 breedings which are now in storage. Then a month ago this same dog bred for the first time (natural/live cover) and we got confirmation earlier this week that the bitch is pregnant with a nice sized litter. He'd never been cleaned out, has only ever used his boy parts twice in his life, once at 9.5yrs and once at over 10, and the little swimmers were just fine.

Well, of the two people that do it, one has a stud dog that I believe has never produced less than 10 puppies in his litters and the other has bred dozens of litters over the years (some top-winning conformation dogs, not really my thing but she's successful in her venue). Also the repro vet and tech recommended it. If anything, it's not going to hurt. Based on what I've read there may be some disagreement as to how quickly a dog produces new sperm, but everything has been between 24 hours and 3-4 days so collecting a dog a week ahead of a breeding won't hurt unless the dog is not producing sperm normally (which would question whether he should be bred). I think GSD people don't always do it because many are using stud dogs that are already being bred several times a year or more.

Well we will just do weekly evals and freezing and find out lol

05-22-2014 09:53 AM

Liesje

Well, of the two people that do it, one has a stud dog that I believe has never produced less than 10 puppies in his litters and the other has bred dozens of litters over the years (some top-winning conformation dogs, not really my thing but she's successful in her venue). Also the repro vet and tech recommended it. If anything, it's not going to hurt. Based on what I've read there may be some disagreement as to how quickly a dog produces new sperm, but everything has been between 24 hours and 3-4 days so collecting a dog a week ahead of a breeding won't hurt unless the dog is not producing sperm normally (which would question whether he should be bred). I think GSD people don't always do it because many are using stud dogs that are already being bred several times a year or more.

Some do it, some don't. I'm certainly not going to do it myself, but I have a few friends who breed (different breed) and they do it especially with a dog breeding or being collected for the first time or a dog that is bred very infrequently.

Any proof it works?

05-21-2014 11:44 PM

Liesje

Some do it, some don't. I'm certainly not going to do it myself, but I have a few friends who breed (different breed) and they do it especially with a dog breeding or being collected for the first time or a dog that is bred very infrequently.

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