Brian Murphy: He is healthy now and although he might be hurt again by November, Gronk is still a week-winner player and the king of the tight ends. He should be a second- or third-rounder in redrafts.

John Adams: Yes, the injury bug is a persistent problem for Rob Gronkowski, but there is no tight end in the game that even comes close. If you can get him, his fantasy potential far outweighs any concerns about injuries.

Josh Rabbitt: If I promised you that Gronk would play all 16 weeks of the season, how high would you draft him? If you answer is anything but the first round, you are wrong. Gronk is the biggest difference maker in any position in the NFL. However, that health concern is always there. I think Gronk will play enough games to earn his #1 role.

Levi Andrew: Gronk is the #1 TE till he doesn’t play football anymore. He is injury prone, and there are more mouths to feed with targets. But Brady loves him some Gronk.

2. Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

Brian Murphy: I’m skeptical that Kelce can repeat his 1,125-yard effort from 2016, but he should remain a target monster and is destined to score more than five touchdowns one of these years.

John Adams: Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce is expected to be ready for the start of training camp despite having off season should surgery. Don’t let his lack of touchdowns scare you off, this is the second best tight end in the game.

Josh Rabbitt: What happened to the crazy rankings by Rabbitt? Am I just going to go chalk this whole way or what? For the most part yes. Yes I will. Redzone targets- and lots of them hold up Kelces otherwise flimsy value. There is a HUGE drop off from two to three in my opinion. Kelece is my 3rd best TE, but I wouldn't draft him where he is drafted.

Levi Andrew: You want to know who will be the biggest winner of the Jeremy Maclin release, Travis Kelce. 76 targets gone, Kelce sees at least a third of those. Alex Smith is a check down king.

3. Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

Brian Murphy: A huge problem for opposing defenses, Reed will be leaned on heavily in 2017 following the departures of Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson. He has shown that he can be an elite fantasy player when he’s available for most of the games since he has never made it through a full season. Injuries will always be a concern, and his next concussion could put his career in jeopardy.

John Adams: Ever since Kirk Cousins took over the starting position, Jordan Reed has been an integral cog in the Redskins pass offense. He has a long history of injury problems, but Cousins trusts him completely which makes him a top five or six fantasy tight end coming into 2017 when he is on the field.

Josh Rabbitt: The only challenger to the Gronk throne has the same issue Gronk has - only scarier. Reed is probably one concussion away from being done. Forever. However, the Redskins offense runs through him. If he and Gronk are both healthy this year, they are more or less locks to finish the season #1 and #2 in TE scoring.

Levi Andrew: If Reed can stay on the field I can see him with a 110 targets this year. He had 89 last year. More targets equal more opportunity.

4. Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

Brian Murphy: Olsen may not have much upside left entering his age-32 season. However, he hasn’t missed a game in nearly a decade and has become an annual lock for 1,000 yards and a handful of TDs. He’s the safest player of the lot.

John Adams: Olsen has three straight seasons with more than a 1,000 yards receiving and there’s no reason that won’t happen again coming into 2017. His touchdown average was cut in half to only 3 scores last season, but he should bounce back for six or more in 2017. Although he’s 32-years-old, Olsen stays healthy and is always an asset at the TE position.

Josh Rabbitt: Unless you think CMC is going to catch all of the random Cam is in trouble action, Greg is still the only real threat in this offense. He is very old, and a decline is coming- but when?

Levi Andrew: Here is probably the most reliable TE in all of fantasy football. Since 2012 he hasn’t dipped under 800 yards, and only scored less than 5 TD’s in 2016. His base is 800/5 that’s TE1 numbers.

5. Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

Brian Murphy: He performed better than anyone could have imagined following his major 2015 knee injury and finished last season as fantasy’s No. 4 TE. Another year removed from that torn patellar tendon, it’s reasonable to think that he could surpass his 2016 line of 65-923-6.

John Adams: It’s hard to understand, but I feel like Jimmy Graham is being overlooked coming into the 2017 season. Graham had a huge bounce back season last year just missing the 1,000 yard receiving mark. Graham and Russell Wilson developed a nice chemistry in 2016 connecting on six scores together. Graham is a top flight tight end and should go no later than the fifth round in fantasy drafts.

Josh Rabbitt: A year removed from his terrible injury should be a year better for Jimmy G. However, usage questions still are quite scary here.

Levi Andrew: I should have Jimmy way higher. But I just feel a huge regression for all Seahawks this year. But for now, he is my TE8.

6. Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

Brian Murphy: I don’t feel great about placing Eifert even this high at No. 7, but i’m not totally in love with anyone behind him either. The major issue -- and the reason why I probably won’t be drafting him anywhere -- is his health or lack thereof. He missed half of last season and almost all of 2014. Eifert has said he is unsure if he will be ready for training camp next month, so why make a big investment in an injury-prone tight end who might start off this season injured yet again?

John Adams: Tyler Eifert is always hurt, but when he takes the field, he’s all about the touchdowns. Eifert is a touchdown dependent player, but because he’s caught 18 touchdowns in his last 21 games, touchdowns come quite often. He missed four games last season, but he’s healthy again and is always a threat in the red zone.

Josh Rabbitt: Eifert is showing the problem with the TE position. The really good ones tend to get hurt. Eifert is an awesome threat when healthy, but he has shown to be a remarkably slow healer, along with a crazy propensity to get hurt. When he plays- he is as good as anyone. This is a guy I feel is criminally under drafted and I am targeting him in many leagues.

Levi Andrew: If Eifert’s comments are true about not being ready for minicamp due to back surgery, you will see him way lower next time you see my rankings. This TE7 ranking is due to my shear hope.

7. Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

Brian Murphy: Rudolph might be Sam Bradford’s biggest supporter. Fantasy’s No. 3 TE last season, the Notre Dame alum won’t repeat that success, but he is another one of those useful, semi-dependable tight ends outside of the top tiers.

John Adams: Vikings tight end Kyle Rudolph was expected to break out years ago, but his potential was always blocked by a severe lack of targets that hovered at the three per game range. That all changed last season with the arrival of Sam Bradford at the quarterback position. Bradford loves using Rudolph as a safety valve and loves the big target in the end zone. Rudolph rang up 840 receiving yards last season to go with seven touchdowns and those numbers are likely to get even better in 2017.

Josh Rabbitt: Two words you know well by now from me - Mike Zimmer.

Levi Andrew: Had his best season last year. I solely attribute it to Sam Bradford. That’s why till Bradford isn’t the QB anymore I will have Rudolph top 5 TE.

8. Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

Brian Murphy: Will the additions of Eric Decker and rookie Corey Davis cut down on Walker’s target total? Perhaps, but it might also lead to less defensive attention. He has been a top-10 fantasy tight end for three years running and is another safe bet.

John Adams: During his 11-year pro career, Delanie Walker has only cracked the 1,000 yard receiving mark one time. However, for a tight end, Walker has a strong nose for the end zone. The problem is that there are too many mouths to feed in the Titans pass offense and Walker could see his receiving yards dip again this season. Because the tight end position is razor thin in the NFL, Walker is still a TE1, but his numbers are on the decline.

Josh Rabbitt: Too many mouths to feed in Tennessee now, even before Eric Decker. The aging tight end has to see a dip in production here.

Levi Andrew: The Eric Decker signing really hurts Walker in the red zone. I may have even had him top 3 before the signing moved him to TE6 now. He will still have value being Mariota’s TE. You can read my more in-depth piece on Mariota and Walker here.

9. Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

Brian Murphy: The sheen has worn off. Ertz is never going to be a supremely special player, but he is dynamic enough to be a solid low-end TE1 on a weekly basis.

John Adams: Some people love potential, I’m more partial towards actual results. Much like Kyle Rudolph for too many season, Ertz is another tight end that may just break out some day. However, I wouldn’t mark it down on your calendar just yet. Ertz caught 78 passes last season for a shade over 800 yards and four touchdowns, I would expect a slight regression coming into the 2017 season.

Josh Rabbitt: Zach Ertz is going to catch a ton of I'm really scared and not a real NFL QB balls from Carson Wentz this year. I could argue him a couple spots higher actually.

Levi Andrew: Carson Wentz sure did like throwing Ertz way, 106 targets. Philly does have a whole new cast of skill players. But I feel like Wentz will still rely on Ertz. If he sees another 100 targets and a few more red zone TD’s this year TE8 many even be too low.

10. Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

Brian Murphy: Bennett’s yardage total may leave you hollow, but there is no doubt that the touchdowns will be there for him in this offense.

John Adams: So Marty Bennett traded in Tom Brady for Aaron Rodgers. On paper, that seems like a good idea, but the reality is that it won’t boost Bennett’s fantasy value. No one loves to target tight ends more than Brady and that is NOT the case with Rodgers. Brady is the master of the short pass, while Rodgers likes to look downfield. Bennett is a borderline TE1, but just barely.

Josh Rabbitt: Perpetually injured highly talented TE. Sounds familiar. However he doesn't quite take on the dominating role of the other guys that tend to get beat up. He will be a solid TE every week he plays.

Levi Andrew: Aaron Rodgers has been talking about Two Tight End sets, I can see Bennett playing a huge part in the offense. Huge red zone asset. I think he might be a tad TD dependent though. That’s why I have him at TE12.

11. Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

Brian Murphy: The torch has been passed in San Diego as Henry has officially stepped in front of Antonio Gates. He scored eight touchdowns as a rookie last season and is bound to rack up more yards and catches this fall.

John Adams: If not for Antonio Gates, Hunter Henry would be much closer to the top in fantasy rankings. Henry has proven himself to be the best tight end in San Diego (now Los Angeles), but Philip Rivers often only has eyes for Gates, especially in the end zone. Henry caught an impressive 8 scores during his rookie season and should be able to match that coming into 2017.

Josh Rabbitt: Everyone’s breakout darling last year is a breakout darling this year. He is a decent talent, but Rivers still seems to trust Gates more. That hurts his production. Ask me again when Gates is done.

Levi Andrew: I can probably say I will be the lowest on Henry at TE11. Gates is still there, and I just don’t see Rivers not targeting his buddy. Henry has Value and that’s why I have him higher then Gates. But he won’t be a top 10 TE.

12. Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

Brian Murphy: Sure, he has been disappointing because he hasn’t lived up to his first-round draft slot, but if Ebron had caught just four touchdowns last season instead of one, he’d be a top-10 tight end in fantasy. There is plenty of upside here, and the Lions still throw the ball more than most teams.

John Adams: For the past three years, I always feel like Eric Ebron and Zach Ertz are the same tight end. (Eric Ertz or Zach Ebron?) Another guy who is packed with potential, but never quite breaks out. To be fair, Ebron’s receiving yards have improved each season, but he is allergic to the end zone and I don’t draft tight ends that don’t catch touchdowns.

Josh Rabbitt: Ebron has gotten better every year he has been in the NFL. Stafford is going to throw the rock like a billion times this year. Someone has to catch it, and there isn't much going on here offensively outside of Golden Tate. I bet he finishes closer to 10 than 20.

Levi Andrew: Ebron has never played more than 14 games, every season his numbers have improved though. He finished last year with 61/711/1. This could be his break out year where he lives up to his 1st round pedigree. TE13 for me due to injury concerns.

13. Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

Brian Murphy: With Dwayne Allen out of the picture, Doyle should get a large number of red-zone targets from Andrew Luck this season. And sometimes, a touchdown is all you need from your tight end to make him worth your while. Real talk, however: Watch out for Erik Swoope.

John Adams: So Jack Doyle is my top Boom or Bust sleeper pick coming into the 2017 season. Last season, Doyle showed Andrew Luck that he can be the go to guy in the red zone. Luck was constantly on the lookout for Doyle near the end zone and the Colts said sayonara to Dwayne Allen who packed his bags for New England. While splitting time with Allen last season, Doyle still caught 59 balls for 584 yards and five touchdowns. As the lone tight end, I think Doyle can get close to the 1,000 yard mark with a potential for 9 touchdowns.

Josh Rabbitt: Andrew Luck makes anyone around him in "ok" shape. He should finish the year as a TE1, but is limited athletically. This seems like the right spot for him.

Levi Andrew: Jack Doyle is my sleeper for a top 5 TE this year. He flashed last year when he was on the field. Luck targeted him more than Allen last year. Guess who is gone this year? I can see Doyle having a 100 target easily this year.

14. Julius Thomas - Miami Dolphins

Brian Murphy: Even at his worst in Jacksonville, Thomas was a top-15 tight end when healthy. I have him at No. 14 because he is still in his 20s, the Dolphins are in need of another big target and have no better options at TE. If he plays even 14 games, Thomas should break into the top 12 here, perhaps the top 10. I will be targeting him in the late rounds often.

John Adams: I don’t see Julius Thomas in the top-20. He hasn't been worth Jack in Jacksonville - 9 scores and 700 yards receiving in two seasons. Without Peyton Manning I don't see his worth and Tannehill is a train wreck. He's never played a full NFL season. The closest he came was in 2013 when he played 14 games (4 years ago). Jax OC Clyde Christensen can drone on and on about how Thomas is a 10 touchdown guy, but I don't buy it for a half a second.

Josh Rabbitt: I want some of that rekindled mile high magic down in south beach. He is a risk, but the reward is so high at the end of drafts that you almost have to take him. Thomas has the upside to be a home run league winning type pick. You just have to rub that Jacksonville stink off of him first.

Levi Andrew: Head coach Adam Gase went out and traded for Thomas. Gase knows how to use Thomas and will have plays just for Tannehill to throw to Thomas. He may be able to reproduce stats from his Denver days, hopefully.

15. C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

Brian Murphy: Will Tom Savage or Deshaun Watson love C.J. as much as Brock Osweiler seemed to? Even if not, he will most likely be a decent bye-week replacement player.

John Adams: Some fantasy owners carry two tight ends, some don’t. If you do, C.J. Fiedorowicz in Houston is a strong insurance policy if you decided to draft one of those top tier tight ends that are plagued with injury issues. A muddy quarterback situation in Houston isn’t necessarily a bad thing because young and nervous QBs often target tight ends when they are in fear for their lives.

Josh Rabbitt: Was quietly really productive last year. He should be a high end TE2 this year.

Levi Andrew: What a breakout year for C.J. last year. This year will be no different. C.J. will get his share of targets from either Tom Savage or Deshaun Watson. TE14 with the uncertainty around the QB. He is also one of my Dynasty Buy Lows which you can read about.

16. Coby Fleener - New Orleans Saints

Brian Murphy: Mock him all you want, but Fleener is going to be very fantasy-relevant for another year. The Saints throw more passes than almost anyone else and will need some slack picked up following the Brandin Cooks trade. He will definitely turn in some clunkers, but you will want Fleener in your lineup when he inevitably shines thanks to Drew Brees.

John Adams: Coby Fleener disappointed last season in his first year with the Saints finishing as the 12th ranked tight end. Experts expected Fleener to have a greater impact with Drew Brees than just 50 catches for 631 yards and three touchdowns. Many expect Fleener to do much better during his second season in the Big Easy, I expect him to perform at the same level he did last year.

Brian Murphy: Although he signed a five-year contract this spring, it’s creeping toward midnight for Witten. The 35-year-old has yet to finish outside of the top 15 in tight end fantasy scoring since 2003, but with my No. 16 ranking, I’ll say he falls just short of continuing that long trend.

John Adams: Witten was the cream of crop for many years until father time finally ran him down. Nobody knows how long Witten has left to play, but he’s a TE2 at best now and is no longer a week to week starter.

Josh Rabbitt: Here is a guy I would never draft because there just isn't any upside. However you could do worse as a bye week fill in than the old warhorse.

Levi Andrew: Dak Prescott relied heavy on his TE last year, feeding him 95 targets. Witten finished as the 14th best TE last year TE18 this year. He takes a step back this year due to Dez getting more in the passing game.

18. O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Brian Murphy: Howard has got that first-round rookie gloss that makes him so attractive and although he will have some big weeks thanks to his natural athleticism, it won’t be a smooth ride for fantasy owners. Cameron Brate is still alive, you know.

John Adams: What sets O.J. Howard apart from other rookie tight ends is his tremendous ability to block. But blocking doesn’t translate into points for fantasy owners. At 6’6 and 250 pounds, Howard is packed with size, potential and talent, but his impact for the Crimson Tide never translated into more than just three touchdowns per season. He is a trendy pick, but Brate is a better bet for your fantasy squad.

Josh Rabbitt: The guy that I think most likely of my TE2's to be a TE1 is Howard. Problems? I don't trust the QB, I also don't trust that he can beat out Brate right away. This is the kind of TE2 you want though, as he should get better as the year goes on, and can fill in great for the weeks your stud is hurt.

Levi Andrew: O.J. is a great talent, he slipped to the Bucs in the first round. He makes the passing attack that much better NFL wise. But Howard won’t do much fantasy wise this year. Making him my TE20.

19. Cameron Brate - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Brian Murphy: Last season will probably end up being an outlier for Brate. He will be much more impactful for the Bucs than for fantasy owners in 2017.

John Adams: Many pundits are ranking O.J. Howard above Cameron Brate in Tampa Bay and that is a mistake. Brate has proven chemistry with Bucs QB Jameis Winston catching 57 receptions for 660 yards and an eye opening 8 touchdowns. That chemistry won’t evaporate just because the team drafted Howard.

Levi Andrew: Cameron had a breakout showing last year with 57/660/8. Finishing as the 6th best TE. Soo you’re asking why I have him at TE19. Well that’s where my TE20 comes in. O.J. Howard. The Bucs first round pick. He will cut into Brate’s targets this year. Make them both low in the rankings.

20. Antonio Gates - Los Angeles Chargers

Brian Murphy: He will have a few turn-back-the-clock box scores. Philip Rivers will make sure of that.

John Adams: As long Antonio Gates suits up and hovers around the end zone, Philip Rivers will be on the lookout for him. Even at 37-years-old, he is still a threat to catch a touchdown. Gates recorded 7 touchdowns last season and it would not be a shock to see him do it again.

Levi Andrew: Gates may be taking a secondary role to Henry this year. But I don’t see him taking the whole TE job to himself. Gates is 1 TD away from the all-time touch downs for a Tight End. Rivers will get him that and more, bring gates to my TE16.

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The Table below shows the consensus ranking and each writer’s rankings.

Rank

Player

Consensus

Best

Worst

1

Rob Gronkowski - New England Patriots

1

1

1

2

Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

2.25

2

3

3

Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

3.5

2

6

4

Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

5

4

6

5

Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

5.25

4

8

6

Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

5.25

3

7

7

Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

7.75

5

11

8

Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

8.25

6

13

9

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

9

7

10

10

Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

10.25

8

12

11

Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

11

9

15

12

Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

12.25

11

13

13

Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

12.25

10

15

14

Julius Thomas - Miami Dolphins

15.125

9

> 20

15

C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

15.25

14

19

16

Coby Fleener - New Orleans Saints

17.125

13

> 20

17

Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys

17.75

16

19

18

O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

17.75

16

20

19

Cameron Brate - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

18.625

15

> 20

20

Antonio Gates - Los Angeles Chargers

19.625

16

> 20

Brian Murphy's WR Ranking:

Rob Gronkowski - New England Patriots

Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

Coby Fleener - New Orleans Saints

Julius Thomas - Miami Dolphins

Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys

O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Cameron Brate - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

Antonio Gates - Los Angeles Chargers

John Adams' WR Ranking:

Rob Gronkowski - New England Patriots

Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

Cameron Brate - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Coby Fleener - New Orleans Saints

Evan Engram - New York Giants

O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys

Antonio Gates - Los Angeles Chargers

Josh Rabbitt's WR Ranking:

Rob Gronkowski - New England Patriots

Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

Julius Thomas - Miami Dolphins

Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Coby Fleener - New Orleans Saints

Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys

Gerald Everett - Los Angeles Rams

Austin Seferain-Jenkins - New York Jets

Levi Andrew’s WR Ranking:

Rob Gronkowski - New England Patriots

Travis Kelce - Kansas City Chiefs

Jordan Reed - Washington Redskins

Greg Olsen - Carolina Panthers

Kyle Rudolph - Minnesota Vikings

Delanie Walker - Tennessee Titans

Tyler Eifert - Cincinnati Bengals

Jimmy Graham - Seattle Seahawks

Zach Ertz - Philadelphia Eagles

Jack Doyle - Indianapolis Colts

Hunter Henry - Los Angeles Chargers

Martellus Bennett - Green Bay Packers

Eric Ebron - Detroit Lions

C.J. Fiedorowicz - Houston Texans

Julius Thomas - Miami Dolphins

Antonio Gates - Los Angeles Chargers

Charles Clay - Buffalo Bills

Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys

Cameron Brate - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

O.J. Howard - Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Brian Murphy has been writing about sports -- fantasy, pro and college -- since 2001. He has written for numerous fantasy sites, including Scout.com. He has a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Central Florida and a master's degree in mass communication from California State University-Northridge. He currently lives in Orlando.

John Adams has nearly 20 years of television network reporting experience covering professional and college teams across the country including the Denver Broncos, Colorado Rockies, Colorado Buffaloes, Carolina Panthers and the Florida State Seminoles.

Josh has been playing dynasty fantasy football for more than a decade and manages over 50 teams and has won more than 100 championships. When Josh isn't managing his teams or spending time with his family, he is either coaching football or watching football. Josh has B.S. in Social Studies Education from the University of Wisconsin Platteville and is currently teaching high school history.

Levi likes to spend time with his 6 year old son, which includes coaching his football and baseball teams. He's also trying not to hurt himself on the skateboard again.

Levi raises chickens on his little farm in Washington State. He has 17 chickens, 1 turkey and 2 ducks.