Deneb81:Incorrigible Astronaut: Lolz. This team is actually pretty classy and might make for a boring Hard Knocks, but I'd love to see them knock off the aging Steelers and Ravens to win the North this year.

Aging Ravens?

Have you even looked at a roster lately?

Aging was implied for the Ravens with the way I put that sentence together, but I didn't mean it to be.

Just glad to see they're having one at all this year. And on a side note, I think NFL Network should buy the Hard Knocks franchise and that the NFL should require teams to appear. Team selection could be based on rotating between, say, 1) the best team (Superbowl winner) one year, followed by 2) the worst team, 3) middle of the pack, etc, with exceptions to prevent teams from having back-to-back appearances. You'd get different teams each year, all in very different situations.

Incorrigible Astronaut:Deneb81: Incorrigible Astronaut: Lolz. This team is actually pretty classy and might make for a boring Hard Knocks, but I'd love to see them knock off the aging Steelers and Ravens to win the North this year.

Aging Ravens?

Have you even looked at a roster lately?

Aging was implied for the Ravens with the way I put that sentence together, but I didn't mean it to be.

I take back my indignant questioning of your knowledge in that case.

Though I'll say that the Bengals are likely going to wish they played the Ravens earlier in the season. It's a young team now, and with some solid talent on both sides. I think they'll struggle early with consistency and cohesiveness because of the new parts. But they've got a great coaching staff and should be in prime form by late in the season - barring another injury run like last year. I certainly think anyone who writes them off in June is going to look silly later. They'll likely push for the division and wildcard late in the year.

Are we still calling them the Bungles? Get your head out of your ass and realize this isn't the 90s anymore. The team isn't quite NFL elite yet, but they are young and talented. Anyone who disagrees with this is either willfully ignorant or so team biased they can't comprehend facts.

I love Hard Knocks because it humanizes the players, coaches, and organization. The last Bengals version was actually pretty funny to watch, except for the cuts sequences. I'd love for Da Bears to do the show, but they likely never will unless compelled by a higher authority. Far too secretive.

DeathByGeekSquad:I love Hard Knocks because it humanizes the players, coaches, and organization. The last Bengals version was actually pretty funny to watch, except for the cuts sequences. I'd love for Da Bears to do the show, but they likely never will unless compelled by a higher authority. Far too secretive.

NFL Network recently ran the first season of Hard Knocks. It was the Ravens from 2001. It was HORRIBLE. No narrator. Production values of a cable access show. The player/coaches interviews were done in front of this God awful purple screen.

bearcats1983:Are we still calling them the Bungles? Get your head out of your ass and realize this isn't the 90s anymore. The team isn't quite NFL elite yet, but they are young and talented. Anyone who disagrees with this is either willfully ignorant or so team biased they can't comprehend facts.

Have you seen fark? Once something is a joke assume that people will make the same joke for at least five years.

thecpt:bearcats1983: Are we still calling them the Bungles? Get your head out of your ass and realize this isn't the 90s anymore. The team isn't quite NFL elite yet, but they are young and talented. Anyone who disagrees with this is either willfully ignorant or so team biased they can't comprehend facts.

Have you seen fark? Once something is a joke assume that people will make the same joke for at least five years.

bearcats1983:Are we still calling them the Bungles? Get your head out of your ass and realize this isn't the 90s anymore. The team isn't quite NFL elite yet, but they are young and talented. Anyone who disagrees with this is either willfully ignorant or so team biased they can't comprehend facts.

I'm skeptical of "offensive genius" Jay Gruden. I guess I won't really learn more about him from this show, other then whether or not he seems likeable, but the offense was awful down the stretch last year. They beat the Steelers without an offensive touchdown. It was the ugliest, yet most satisfying game of the year to watch.

Zimmer was hilarious last time on Hard Knocks. I hope he doesn't tone it down since he's been interviewing for HC jobs the last few seasons.

There's only one reason this is happening: How much is Mike Brown getting paid for this show? That's all he cares about. He doesn't want his team in the playoffs, the paychecks come out of his pocket when they get there. He doesn't want to pay for Business or First Class plane tickets for free agents, they can shove their 300+ pound backsides into coach, those other types of tickets are expensive!

Mike Brown is a cheap bastard. Everything else is just window dressing. This show included.

Count me in with the idea that the NFL needs to buy this franchise from HBO and make it manditory for teams to participate on a rolling schedule.

I would rather watch;

Saints-Payton's back, switching to a 3-4 and already lost their prize OLB free agent to a season ending ACL tearCardinals-will Fitzgerald maintain his calm nice exterior or will he go nuts on yet another average to bad QB, honey badger in campCowboys-will Romo be shown counting his money on the sideline or actually preparing, will Dez maintain his cool, will Miles Austin pull yet another muscleBrowns-will Weeden hold onto his job or lose it to Jason C., will Mingo try to stop Richardson in practice or will he play it like the BCS game and let him go

HST's Dead Carcass:There's only one reason this is happening: How much is Mike Brown getting paid for this show? That's all he cares about. He doesn't want his team in the playoffs, the paychecks come out of his pocket when they get there. He doesn't want to pay for Business or First Class plane tickets for free agents, they can shove their 300+ pound backsides into coach, those other types of tickets are expensive!

Mike Brown is a cheap bastard. Everything else is just window dressing. This show included.