For many painstaking hours many of us have spent years working with DAZ's Victoria 3. In that time we've gotten to know V3 almost personally and there is still no end to what you can create this very moment. I understand how those have moved on to newer versions as well as upgrades in the Poser progams have everyone dashing around for the newest copy of anything they can find. For many of us it is not easy to leave because V3 has become a very familiar piece of clay and we are not done with her yet. And! There is nothing wrong with it! It really gives us the time to concentrate on more skin like texture to make her one of the best. Make your investment pay off before you move on! No doubt, I have seen some spectacular V4 renders, but I have seen the magic of V3 as well. Keeping things alive is very hard when everyone is willing to move on....but its like the first Barbie doll you get...She's unique in every way.