Recorded on 5 July 2011, at the Carnegie Institution Dept. of Global Ecology at Stanford University with Dale Simbeck, Vice President Technology, SFA Pacific, Inc. Produced by Ken Caldeira for Near Zero.

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Dale Simbeck's statements represent his own views. He is not speaking on behalf of Near Zero.