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I suppose I should have addressed the question directly to Joe S. or Jeff Goodwin. They are the only Dems I have seen here who can objectively, constructively and rationally make an argument about thier positions and opinions. I looked forward to a healthy and civil discussion, but all I got was "Bush sucks because Bush sucks". Oh well. I guess that's how we get a country led by Obama, Pelosi and Ried. I'm done now.

Jeff must have posted while I was writing. Thanks, Jeff. I knew you would come through for me.

How can you be done when I finally responded????

Every now and then I actually have to take a break from posting to work and play with my dogs.

Every now and then I actually have to take a break from posting to work and play with my dogs.

Your post was well thought out and you expressed your opinions well. Some of your points I disagree with completely, a couple were a little vague, but most gave me food for thought. I'll respond when I have had time to digest it. Perhaps some of our peers can learn from your approach.

Matt McKenzie

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it." Henry Ford

It took me back when I read in an earlier post, "the war...I don't see it as failed policy". The war was a HUGE foreign policy blunder on many levels. Took valuable resources away from Afghanistan and the real war on terrorism, gave Al Qaeda a new cause and life, destabilized the region, increased distrusted of the U.S. not only in that part of the world, but across the globe. Not to mention the economic consequences the war has had on our economy. And no I don't feel any safer because of it, and that line from the administration "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" is hogwash in regard to Iraq.

What its prominence suggest, and what all science confirms is that the dog is a creature of the nose- A. Horowitz.

1. Tax cuts when we had a budget surplus. You can't cut taxes and spend. So Clinton's surplus became Bush's deficit.
2. Going to war for reasons he didn't know (it took him several tries before he could find a reason that was true).
3. Brownie's response to Katrina.
4. Signing statements.
5. Tapping people's phones.
6. Never vetoing a bill until the Democrats took over the house and senate.
7. Spending every weekend at Crawford (the President was never in town when a crisis hit).
8. Faith-based initiatives.
9. Letting Karl Rove slander good Americans who differed with Bush's policies.
10. Commuting the sentence of Scooter Libby.
11. Allowing his people to go to the bed of an ailing Attorney General to get his signature to commit crimes.
12. Torturing prisoners of war at Abu G.
13. Taking his eye off of Osama Bin Ladin.
14. Hiring Justice Department employees who made one's political ideology a major qualification for employment and continued employment.
15. Giving the German Prime Minister a back rub during a state meeting.
16. Going socialist when the banking industry began experiencing problems.
17. Making Dick Cheyney his VP.

I'm sure there are many others, but these are the first that came to mind.

He freed 2 nations, one from a dictator the other from an oppressive government.

After hurricane Katrina when the democrat mayor and governor failed to protect their citizens, his efforts evacuated a major city in approximately 7 days. He took the blame to give cover to the democrats. He provided so much cover for the failed mayor that he was re-elected. Amazing.

He attempted to fix Social Security but was stymied by left wing ideologues in congress that chose to put party over the nation.

He appointed two fine justices to the Supreme Court.

He worked with democrats to create no child left behind.

He created a prescription drug program.

He funded aids programs in Africa at the highest rates ever by an American president in an attempt to eradicate and treat the disease.

History will look kindly on President George W. Bush, in much the same way it looks kindly on President Harry Truman.

I've followed this election closely, and have never heard Obama mention taking guns away. Can you enlighten me on this one?

In the priorities area, I'd rather lose my guns than my right to privacy (I don't have anything to hide either).

Do you really think that you are being tapped while talking to your mom about thanksgiving dinner? To think so is ignorant and a bit conceded if you think you are that important If he takes away your right to a gun you can be sure that your gun will be taken away whether you are a terrorist, criminal or law abiding citizen.

EDIT: Obama supports "gun control" which will take away a lot of our guns and he hasn't made a big deal about it because he knows how most of the country feels about taking away our guns. Doesn't mean that he hasn't mentioned it. Hell it was on his transition website for a while before he took it down