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I would include ownership with this list as well.
Bird left for a reason, and I don't believe his health had anything to do with it. Bringing Walsh back has got to be one of the most ponderous moves I've ever seen a pro team make. Should we do a search and find the best guy for the job? Nah....bring in ol Bug Eyes so we can relive the Murphleavy glory days.

And to think I could have taken my family on a long trip to Hawaii for what I spent on season tix makes me wanna puke.

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Don't bench all the starters. Lance has done nothing wrong. Hill and West do try and show some heart. But bench Roy and PG. Place them in the inactive list. Just show that this is not allowed to continue.

Lance isn't a starter.

As far as Hill and West, more so West, go don't pay so much attention to their offense and ignore the defensive end.

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When things go bad you start to press, the more you press the worse it gets. The team has lost their collective confidence. Not sure how to get out of it! I have had it happen when I played and when I coached. Still don't know what to do! Sometimes it takes a fight on the court, sometimes a serious talk in the locker room. Wish I had a real good answer. One thing for certain the players are much more frustrated and upset than ANY of the fans. BTW I think that Hansbrough plays better when he's given more minutes. Go Pacers!

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I don't want to speculate but is this team on the verge of collapsing? It looks like our starters from last year just don't mesh up. PG had a nice start to the season but he's fading up. Roy has just...gone, mentally. I don't know what the heck is running on his head right now. Hill and West are really trying to do what they can, but they obviously need support.

Right now, I won't mind if Vogel will bench Roy for Tyler. And right now, I would like them to try something different to spark some life that's been missing in this team. And I really hope they start Tyler at this point because I think his offense-oriented mindset is what his teammates need to look at (drawing fouls, trying to score from inside, plays physical). It worked some time ago, and may probably work right now given our offensive struggles. And as for Roy, he needs to search his all-star and max-player self soon before the situations worsens further.

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Are we doing anything offensively that is different than last year? Doesn't look like it to me. Wasn't the theory Vogel with a full off-season/training camp would certainly adjust/diversify? Looks worse than ever right now.

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I'm being serious: What are some real solutions to correct what ails this team? Hell, before you answer that, what exactly is it that ails this team? Time to go through the process: Admit we have a problem(s), identify the problem(s), explore possible solutions.

1. (As with tonight) Give more of Hibbert's minutes to Hansbrough and Plumlee. It serves the dual purpose of letting Big Money know he is being held accountable & providing energy / fresh legs to the inside game on offense.

2. Have the 2nd unit run up-tempo, Alvin Gentry / Mike D'Antoni style. Augustin, Green, Mahinmi, etc are all lithe and athletic, so DO NOT FORCE THEM INTO A HALFCOURT SYSTEM...square peg for a round hole. Let the starters be "smashmouth" or whatever. Speaking of which, ...

3. Instruct Paul George to take the ball inside. He's taken more shots the last two games, which is very encouraging. The problem is that they haven't been great shots. With that said, I really like that turnaround/fadeaway in the lane that he's shooting. He's missing it almost 100% of the time, but it's a really smart shot for him to be working on and once he gets it down it will be devastating.

4. Instruct Lance Stephenson to take the ball inside. He gets there almost at will, but then he passes (or forces a pass) to someone else.

5. Play Augustin with West a little more often. I can see them developing a nice pick & pop rhythm. Annnnnnnnnnnnd....

6. Play Lance with Green a little more often. Lance will get him the open looks that Hill / Augustin have not.

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1. (As with tonight) Give more of Hibbert's minutes to Hansbrough and Plumlee. It serves the dual purpose of letting Big Money know he is being held accountable & providing energy / fresh legs to the inside game on offense.

2. Have the 2nd unit run up-tempo, Alvin Gentry / Mike D'Antoni style. Augustin, Green, Mahinmi, etc are all lithe and athletic, so DO NOT FORCE THEM INTO A HALFCOURT SYSTEM...square peg for a round hole. Let the starters be "smashmouth" or whatever. Speaking of which, ...

3. Instruct Paul George to take the ball inside. He's taken more shots the last two games, which is very encouraging. The problem is that they haven't been great shots. With that said, I really like that turnaround/fadeaway in the lane that he's shooting. He's missing it almost 100% of the time, but it's a really smart shot for him to be working on and once he gets it down it will be devastating.

4. Instruct Lance Stephenson to take the ball inside. He gets there almost at will, but then he passes (or forces a pass) to someone else.

5. Play Augustin with West a little more often. I can see them developing a nice pick & pop rhythm. Annnnnnnnnnnnd....

6. Play Lance with Green a little more often. Lance will get him the open looks that Hill / Augustin have not.

I like your ideas. However, I do not believe uptempo suits Agustin any better. The guys just isn't good. I don't think he's athletic at all. He's lilliputian in stature with no lateral movement whatsoever. I don't think he'd be particularly more effective.

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i'm gonna say it again...y did we have to suck this year? i would not be surprised if we somehow finally got the #1 pick this year, but it would be the wrong year. Our luck right? Andrew Wiggins to Indiana 2014!

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The most bizarre thing about this is we just don't know WHY this is happening.

Is Frank losing the team? Has this been an issue looming in the background for a longer period of time?

Or is it truly just a mixture of HORRIFIC slumps by 3/4 of our team all at the same time?

Go back and look at the Kings game, or the opening night Toronto game. It may not have always been pretty, but guys were engaged and into the games.

They cared!

What has changed?

I've been saying this and I know it's not popular but go back and review Roy's college career. He really made a name for himself his second to last year (or in this case, last season), then he came back for his last year being considered maybe the best true center in college basketball or at least top 2, and he was just not as good (this year), he plummeted out of the top 10 in the draft and was so inconsistent and frankly non chalant that he went from being a guy I really wanted in the draft to being a guy I want no part of. What am I saying? What if Roy is just one of those guys that once he hits a goal, he plateaus and that is that. I don't know, I'm not saying that's true, but it's a little frightening to me how the end of his college career parallels these last two seasons.

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I've been saying this and I know it's not popular but go back and review Roy's college career. He really made a name for himself his second to last year (or in this case, last season), then he came back for his last year being considered maybe the best true center in college basketball or at least top 2, and he was just not as good (this year), he plummeted out of the top 10 in the draft and was so inconsistent and frankly non chalant that he went from being a guy I really wanted in the draft to being a guy I want no part of. What am I saying? What if Roy is just one of those guys that once he hits a goal, he plateaus and that is that. I don't know, I'm not saying that's true, but it's a little frightening to me how the end of his college career parallels these last two seasons.

That's really bizarre. I certainly won't discount the theory, but it does seem like a bit of a reach if I am being honest.

Roy has never struck me as a complacent sort of individual. But he does have a fairly fragile sense of self-confidence as a basketball player.

For whatever reason, be it his contract or something personal we will never know, that self-confidence is just at rock bottom on the court right now.

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Thank goodness this rough Bobcats-Raptors-Bucks schedule is over. Now the Pacers can look forward to the Mavs. Dirk's not playing, so the Pacers should dominate. All teams completely fall apart when they lose their best player, right? No?

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That's really bizarre. I certainly won't discount the theory, but it does seem like a bit of a reach if I am being honest.

Roy has never struck me as a complacent sort of individual. But he does have a fairly fragile sense of self-confidence as a basketball player.

For whatever reason, be it his contract or something personal we will never know, that self-confidence is just at rock bottom on the court right now.

the fragile, sensitive Roy is an excuse. If it is somehow true, than how could our management spend so much money on an unstable individual? What happened is Roy didn't put in the work in the off-season. He didn't take basketball seriously. Being the highest paid player on our team, he was supposed to be our "de facto" leader. With Danny being out, who is actually a leader, Roy has failed in leading his team