USS Indianapolis

August 1, 2006

On July 30, 1945, the USS Indianapolis was sunk after delivering the Hiroshima bomb on a super secret mission. So secret, it was days before it was even noticed missing.

When it was hit, 900 of the 1196 men went into the water. Less than 300 came out when they were sighted by accident and rescued after those horrible days. If you recall the movie Jaws, Quint told the story of what happened to the men. Although some died from the torpedo blast, most drowned or were taken by sharks. I always thought as a kid that being eaten was the worst way to go, but I was thinking Lion at the time.

I watched a show on the History Channel about this fateful voyage. Most of the men didn’t even know that they were delivering the “bumb” as Quint called it.

Here’s the description from the movie that tells the gruesome details:

Hooper: You were on the Indianapolis?Brody: What happened?Quint: Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes into our side, Chief. We was comin’ back from the island of Tinian to Leyte… just delivered the bomb. The Hiroshima bomb. Eleven hundred men went into the water. Vessel went down in 12 minutes. Didn’t see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. 13-footer. You know how you know that when you’re in the water, Chief? You tell by looking from the dorsal to the tail. What we didn’t know, was our bomb mission had been so secret, no distress signal had been sent. They didn’t even list us overdue for a week. Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruisin’, so we formed ourselves into tight groups. You know, it was kinda like old squares in the battle like you see in the calendar named “The Battle of Waterloo” and the idea was: shark comes to the nearest man, that man he starts poundin’ and hollerin’ and screamin’ and sometimes the shark go away… but sometimes he wouldn’t go away. Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark… he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living… until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin’ and the hollerin’, they all come in and they… rip you to pieces. You know by the end of that first dawn, lost a hundred men. I don’t know how many sharks, maybe a thousand. I know how many men, they averaged six an hour. On Thursday morning, Chief, I bumped into a friend of mine, Herbie Robinson from Cleveland. Baseball player. Boatswain’s mate. I thought he was asleep. I reached over to wake him up. Bobbed up, down in the water just like a kinda top. Upended. Well, he’d been bitten in half below the waist. Noon, the fifth day, Mr. Hooper, a Lockheed Ventura saw us. He swung in low and he saw us… he was a young pilot, a lot younger than Mr. Hooper. Anyway, he saw us and he come in low and three hours later a big fat PBY comes down and starts to pick us up. You know that was the time I was most frightened… waitin’ for my turn. I’ll never put on a lifejacket again. So, eleven hundred men went in the water; 316 men come out and the sharks took the rest, July the 30th, 1945. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

Here is a picture of the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima. I recently visited ground zero and the Hiroshima museum. It made it clear from the pictures of women, kids and old people who were being trained to fight as both sides anticipated an invasion.

Ground Zero where it was dropped:

Shortly after this, the bomb was dropped and the war in the pacific theater was over. God bless those men who made the ultimate sacrifice for peace and freedom. They saved millions of lives as the Japanese were preparing to kill or die in an invasion. Upwards of 2 million lives were saved.

Nagasaki was chosen as the next target as it was mainly occupied by military forces, so it was both strategic and civilian collateral damage was held back.

Further, evidence was found that the Japanese had their own nuclear bomb and tested it on the Island of Hungnam days after the “bomb” was dropped on Hiroshima. So this act not only saved millions of lives, it now appears to have stopped a nuclear war. Reporter David Snell has documented this.

DID IT SAVE LIVES?

If you look at the last battle before dropping the bomb which was Okinawa, it was one of the most bloody battles of the Pacific. Japan would have been worse for both the US and the Japanese.

There were also some 2 million Japanese soldiers fighting throughout the Pacific, China and Burma — and hundreds of thousands of Allied prisoners and Asian civilians being held in Japanese prisoner of war and slave labor camps. Thousands of civilians were dying every day at the hands of Japanese barbarism. The bombs stopped that carnage as well.

The Soviet Union, which signed a non-aggression pact with Japan in 1941, had opportunistically attacked Japan on the very day of the Nagasaki bombing.

By cutting short the Soviet invasion, the bombings saved not only millions more lives, but kept the Soviets out of postwar Japan, which otherwise might have experienced a catastrophe similar to the subsequent Korean War.

World War II was the most deadly event in human history. Some 60 million people perished in the six years between Germany’s surprise invasion of Poland on Sept. 1, 1939, and the official Japanese surrender on Sept. 2, 1945. No natural disaster — neither the flu pandemic of 1918 nor even the 14th-century bubonic plague that killed nearly two-thirds of Europe’s population — came close to the death toll of World War II.

Perhaps 80 percent of the dead were civilians, mostly Russians and Chinese who died at the hands of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Both aggressors deliberately executed and starved to death millions of innocents.

World War II was also one of the few wars in history in which the losers, Japan and Germany, lost far fewer lives than did the winners. There were roughly five times as many deaths on the Allied side, both military and civilian, as on the Axis side.

It is fine for Secretary of State Kerry and President Obama to honor the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims. But in a historical and moral sense, any such commemoration must be offered in the context of Japanese and German aggression. What the president forgot were these actions that were stopped at Hiroshima:

He forgot the Bataan Death March conducted by the peaceful Japanese war machine.

He forgot the Sandakan Death March

He forgot murder and cannibalism on the Kokoda Track.

He forgot conscripting women for sexual slavery in Japanese Army brothels.

He forgot the mutilation and murder of Dutch civilians in Borneo.

He forgot the murder and cannibalism of captured American pilots.

He forgot the murder of American pilots and air crew at Midway.

He forgot the bombing of the hospital ship Manunda.

He forgot the sinking of the hospital ship Centaur.

Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan started the respective European and Pacific theaters of World War II with surprise attacks on neutral nations. Their uniquely barbaric war-making led to the deaths of some 50 million Allied soldiers, civilians and neutrals — a toll more than 500 times as high as that of Hiroshima.

The crews that dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were seen by Americans as saviors for ending the war. But over the years, the morality of atomic warfare and the need for the bombings has been questioned.

Mr. Van Kirk joined his fellow crewmen in unwavering defense of the atomic raids.

“We were fighting an enemy that had a reputation for never surrendering, never accepting defeat,” he said. “It’s really hard to talk about morality and war in the same sentence.”

He continued: “Where was the morality in the bombing of Coventry, or the bombing of Dresden, or the Bataan Death March, or the Rape of Nanking, or the bombing of Pearl Harbor? I believe that when you’re in a war, a nation must have the courage to do what it must to win the war with a minimum loss of lives.”

Nowadays, many question whether those bombs were necessary. Given that they killed almost exclusively civilians and that the second of the two was dropped only two days after the first, many people have concluded that the attack was immoral. Today, the typical American is likely to react to the words “Hiroshima” and “Nagasaki” with a vague sense that our country did something wrong.

But the nuking of Japan was a moral act: war is hell for those who do the actual fighting, so those two bombs put an end to their suffering. This was true for the soldiers on both sides (even a Japanese soldier must have felt relieved to know he was going to survive unscathed). A purely theoretical model for explaining why dropping nukes was bad appeals only to those who have no skin in the game.

The Japanese war had already killed millions, most of whom were civilians. The two nukes killed 140,000. Do the math. It is a distasteful application of arithmetic, but it is an application that soldiers have to do all the time in their struggle to win a war.

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Being a martial artist, I am studying the history of the Japanese and their culture.

Surrender was forbidden to the Japanese. They had the warrier spirit of the Samurai which led them to know that they would win, or die. That is why they had kamikazi’s and all were willing to commit seppuku, the reason that almost no prisoners were taken. The greatest honor was to give your life for the emperor, so the war wouldn’t be over until the last soldier had given his very all, and all were soldiers in the emperor’s Army, remember he was considered a diety back then.

I agree that civilian causalties are tragic, even one but it was dictated by the Japanese that this would be the rules. We are a culture that values living, where then (and now in our current conflicts) the opposition considers dying for their cause to be the ultimate honor and the way into heaven. That changes the rules of engagement. History documents that the Japanese kept coming on the attack, even with swords when the ammunition ran out rather than surrender.

Historians also estimate that 2 million were saved by ending the war early as the next battle was to be the invasion of Japan, where even more would have died if the war hadn’t ended, on both sides. The battle plan was prepared and was only days from beginning when they finally surrendered. The war’s result may have been fate accompli, but it was not over until the spirit to fight was removed.

War is not pretty, fun or any other word except hell, as are the consequences of war. When in time has man not been at war?

pride and acknowledgement of sacrifice is good, important even, but what about the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by the bomb you mention. the ultimate sacrifice for peace and freedom – that was the price paid by the civilians, as well.

I know that’s not the point of the story and they were more than willing and lined up to die, but I am increasingly sickened by our individual and cultural willingness to ignore civilian casualties like abortion.

Anyone that went through what the men on the Indianapolis went through certainly deserve our sympathy. What do I know, even if the boat was sunk *before* it delivered the bomb, but that’s a different question.

I found this from a Japanese site I’ve since lost, but the links are still intact

For every drop of blood spilled at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the vicious and xenophobic Japanese army spilled a bucket of innocent blood in the so-called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, including:

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Korea, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Korean nationals.Korea under Japanese rule

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Manchuria, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Chinese nationals in which an estimated 17,000,000 to 22,000,000 civilians were slaughtered.
Japanese invasion of Manchuria (wikipedia.org)

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Vietnam, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Vietnamese nationals.Vietnam during World War II

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Malaysia, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Malaysian nationals.Malayan Campaign

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of the Philippines, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Philippine nationals.Philippines Campaign (1941–1942)

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Indonesia, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Indonesian nationals.Japanese occupation of Indonesia (wikipedia.org)

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of Burma, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Burmese nationals.Japanese occupation of Burma (wikipedia.org)

Japan’s brutal invasion and occupation of various Pacific islands, and the numerous atrocities and widespread murders committed by Japanese against Pacific Islanders.Empire of Japan (wikipedia.org)

James, have you not studied history? Some of the worst civilian atrocities were committed by the Japanese whilst serving Tojo on China, Vietnam, Korea and all other countries in the region. The Japanese war machine was willing to fight to the death of the last man, woman including civilians, at the cost of senseless lives of most countries in Asia as well as those from countries fighting for the freedom of the pacific.

The hits just keep coming in on how the Japanese treated others James. This link describes the atrocities the Japanese inflicted on our POW’s to answer what would have happened if the boat was sunk prior to the bomb being delivered. http://www.atimes.com/powerful-reminder-american-suffering-wwii-japanese-camp/ . Your reference to civilians and/or civility is ridiculous when considering the atrocities of the Japanese towards the rest of the world, POW’s and others This article shows they were as bad if not more evil than the Nazi’s experiments on people. You are a twit, but I did read the link showing you as a commie.

In addition to said above.
Pearl Harbor was a military object, unlike Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I think one of main thoughts which occupied minds of politicians, soldiers, pilots etc., was something like “Let’s these revenge these japanese monkeys for the Pearl Harbor!”. Well, they did it. It’s the main reason of “national pride” of U.S. for atomic bombings of civilian towns.

And yet another thing. It’s very complex question, how to admire, to respect or to scorn people like quint for us, living 60 years after that war and that raids. But I think that Quint/s death in the jaws of Shark, and the way it was pictured, have used to be some kind of avenge for Indianapolis and the bomb, by Spielberg’s intention.

It has nothing to do with National pride for bombing anyone. That is a perversion of history. Unconditional surrender was the only terms the Japanese would end the war. It saved millions of lives. Spielberg has distorted history numerous times in his movies to support the typical hollywood version of the facts. He got this one right, but it was drama not revenge that Quint got eaten by the shark.

And yet another thing which confirms that, in my opnion . “Quint” means “fifth” as a fifth victim of the killer-shark in th movie. First four were killed in the coast. So, Quint’s fate is predestined in the names meaning,just after their sailing off the Amity Island.

For those who commented here and don’t like war, don’t forget the difference between Neville Chamberlain and Winston Churchill. One (Chamberlain) tried to appease evil, and the other defeated it. Same analogy for Reagan and Carter (or Clinton/Obama). You must defeat the enemy, then you can negotiate.

Also, in the famous words of Jack Bauer: You sir are weak and unwilling and unable to look evil in the eye and deal with it.

Evil must be stopped and Freedom is not Free. That is why the best countries are the free and not ruled by tyrants and dictators, and are capitalists, not socialist.

The government of Japan had already militarized the entire civilian population in anticipation of the up-coming invasion by Allied forces. So they were all legitimate targets for destruction. Doesn’t matter anyway. But I thought it might help you ignorant folks out there to know this, so when you go and get into a tangle with an America-hater, you’ll know what to say..

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