Bigfoot expert Matt Moneymaker takes his team of specialists to Oregon to examine a video taken on a rafting expedition. While investigating, the BFRO team hears a sound in the middle of the night that they believe could prove the creature’s existence.Animal Planet

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75 Responses to “What Did You Think Of Finding Bigfoot: “Fishing for Bigfoot in Oregon”?”

Well, its just starting here, but five minutes into the show I already see so many flaws… A fuzzy, low quality video on river rapids. They are already speaking in the tense of fact without proof. Not lookin good for the rest of the show… :/

As a film editor and compositor I can say that the film discussed in the show does show signs of a hat on the figure near the end of the clip.

The re-creation (as with every re-creation done so far on the show) proves nothing. That it was done with an obviously different camera and different lighting conditions and shows a complete lack of any kind of scientific thinking. It is all for show.

There may be a way to scientifically search for Bigfoot. You could not find a more unqualified group of people to do that search than the Finding Bigfoot team.

One thing that I’ve always wondered about is that if they are real, why haven’t they been more bold towards humans? Nearly every other wild animal out there is an opportunist when it comes to food…even primates. Wild animals try taking food from humans all of the time. Bears and other carnivores go through people’s trash for food. Dear and other herbivores go through yards and gardens to eat veggies. You would think that bigfoot would also behave as such at least every once in a while.

The thing by the river did not look human to me; the uniform color is one thing, but the body structure looked different. Short neck, wide shoulders and long, wire-y arms with no evidence of a sleeve. And Ranae saying the low grade video made the color look uniform didn’t make sense, because on the guy in the raft that parallels the creature you could see difference in the colors. Also why could you clearly see the green on the foliage around it? Nutty analysis.

The creature also looked like it was further behind the rocks that Bobo posed behind.

“Self-professed Bigfoot expert Matt Moneymaker wastes his team of specialists time by traveling to Oregon to examine a previously debunked video taken on a rafting expedition. While investigating, the BFRO team hears a sound in the middle of the night that they believe could prove the creature’s existence. Sadly, they return empty-handed, though Moneymaker is convinced that he personally verified at least three dozen different sights, sounds and smells that he can directly attribute to the legendary and elusive creature.”

I don’t have to watch the show to judge its outcome. They heard a sound at night that could prove its existence. Come on! People, I hate to sound like a broken record, but I’m going to risk it: Body Body BODY! You need to shoot, tranquilize or trap one to prove its existence, not record a Bigfoot doing the backwoods version of a Luciano Pavarotti Impersonation!

I’m going to have to watch this show on Youtube or something (I don’t have cable), but I doubt Ranae would have thought a sound at night could prove an animal’s existence, anymore than a Yeti’s fart or the Loch Ness Monster’s Burps could prove them!

No offense intended to the cast of the show, but I’m just sick and tired of circumstantial evidence: we need concrete proof!

And as for risking killing a person in a suit if we shoot a squatch: Has there ever been a case where someone was killed or wounded due to being misidentified as a squatch?

Hi folks. Found tonights’ episode fairly appealing. Seems there has been some adjustments coming from both sides as the series progresses. Not so much fakery, if you will, as the first couple of episodes I’ve watched. Matt seemed a bit more controlled, even enjoyable at times, and Ranae was REALLY strong tonight, particularly on the “story” that Mary presented. Bobo, as usual, was his consistent self. His rendering of the McKenzie river footage was strong and compelling, although I still feel as if the objects in the video were quite mysterious. Still intrigued by the video. Just seems real, as in not staged, and very well could be our beloved cryptid. The recorded calls toward the end of the episode tonight seemed to be very strong and made for a good. I felt really strong about the fishing incident that was presented tonight. Made me recall my experience that I had in Washington state I mentioned a couple of weeks back. If I had seen glowing eyes, I probably would have soiled myself. Anyway, IMHO, this was a better showing tonight on all sides. Maybe we’re on the right track now……………. here’s hoping!

Okay, first off, if you see urine, WHY NOT TAKE A SAMPLE?? Nothing to lose and who knows? It could be what you’re looking for. Secondly, I find the “in-your-face-cam” to be annoying and pointless. Third, why wasn’t there some in-depth, professional analysis of the footage? Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy the show for what it is, AND I do appreciate that the show even exists, but the investigations seem to be very quick and with not enough follow up. If you hear a howl that you believe to be a Sasquatch, why not stick around for a few days, even a few weeks and use some of that fancy technology to get some definitive evidence to back it up? I’ll keep watching but I’ll continue to ask the obvious questions.

What’s next? Is Moneymaker going to take his team of “experts” to investigate the video of the bigfoot in North Carolina crossing the road? The more “proof” that I see presented on these shows, the less I believe.

I am going to call bogus on the uniform color argument. Folks, please sit back and think about it for a moment. What were these guys doing while going down the river? White water rafting? What do many people wear while white water rafting? The answer is wetsuits. The majority of wetsuits are uniformly black (I find it convenient that BFRO decided to wear gray two tone suits last night. Not a coincidence in my opinion). Occam’s Razor is a strong argument that the figure was another fisherman or rafter that these two guys didn’t see.

I liked this show more than the others. Matt seemed somewhat calm, or at least they edited him down to calm. That video has always fasicinated me and I dont think its been debunked anymore than its been proven to be a bigfoot. One reason I think they got such good vocal responses is because this time Matt didn’t do a howl. Matt has the worst bigfoot howl I have ever heard, unless they are looking for a retarded bigfoot, his is only going to scare them away.

Well if there is not any second season then I hope they learn alot from this one. I enjoy the show. I read all of the comments here. And do understand the members views. I just wish they never toe tag a BODY BODY BODY… So quick to kill huh? That is the problem we as people have today. They just don’t respect anything anymore. If you do not believe then that is your opinion. But not a soul has to kill anything. As more and more people are buying property outside of cities, I am sure that a clear cut video will be released one day. I am in no rush to prove whether NAPES are real or not. Studying them is cool. But not harming them. I am telling you if someone was to kill a NAPE, and quote me on this. Expect for the Native American Community to have a uproar. Enough is enough. This is not a video game where we just buck people down and five seconds later you reappear somewhere else on the stage to try and kill again. It is disgusting. Study NAPES but leave them be. As far as the video goes. Its not to clear. But that landscape is beautiful. And the quality of the scenery is great. The quality of the NAPE not so great. But they were not focusing on that. The show is bringing more people to the subject (NAPES). So on that aspect its great. Maybe one day we can get some high rollers to finally get top notch equipment and get clear cut footage of a single one or a family. They seem to be peaceful and playful. Gentle giants. As with any wild animal they can show signs of aggression. As example look what we do to each other, And we are suppose to be ambassadors of peace. Thank you Mr. Coleman.

Better, but I’m a bit baffled that they never even acknowledged the second figure (person) in the river clip. There is someone crouched down on the edge of the river that springs up when the boats approach. I believe the FB/FB folks were the first to label it as the “auburn” bigfoot. I happen to think it’s just another person. It’s been pretty widely discussed online, but they failed to address it last night.

I agree with Eyecitga. I think the show is progressing a little. Sure they suppose that everything is a Bigfoot, but remember that Animal Planet is picking and choosing which comments to put in. If they composed the show with, “Well nothing this week folks.” Who would watch?

I think that leaving the film ambiguous is the right way to go. Sure it’s most likely a human and probably 90% of sightings can be explained away as well, but the idea of this is to figure out what it is, not what it isn’t.

I think leaving more to the viewer is a good idea. They were not definitive on anything last night except that the area was a good Squatch area and that the sounds heard were Bigfoots. If the sounds that were on the show were the actual sounds, (which seems likely due to the poor quality) then yes, it does sound like the other recordings of some creature that we haven’t been able to link up with known species yet. Bigfoot maybe, but as good a guess as any right now.

Thanks for a good show folks. I watch with a grain of salt and scepticism, yet it makes for interesting viewing through the right lense.

These guys couldn’t catch a cold, let alone a nocturnal animal. They need to begin using massive amounts of duct tape if they want an encounter with Bigfoot. First, the whole production team needs to tape their MOUTHS shut. Sound travels LONG distances at night and Bigfoot has ears. Then, tape themselves to a rock. Stop MOVING! Show some patience. Learn from military snipers how to hunt. The cast of this show act like Boy Scouts on a day hike. Bigfoot, if it exists, has adapted to night hunting so he smells, hears, and sees better than any human. To find him, on purpose, will require a hunter, not a city film crew. And when most the the team jumps to the conclusion of a Bigfoot every time they hear a sound makes them all look stupid. The producers need to get a handle on the show because it’s a joke right now.

Sas- exactly! we can see the colors in the boaters, why not the ‘squatch? And I had trouble seeing the location match because the water level changed the scenery, But I agree the entity was further back than the ‘Bo’

Hapa- Go talk to Kahil…we wanna discuss the show. If the show actually got evidence, you think WE’D see it first? The show is about ‘Finding Bigfoot’, not ‘found bigfoot’.

mcw2112- You keep it up and I’ll subscribe to your newsletter. The show does need more science and less Moneymaker.

and, Eyecitga – It was a better show, with less hype…kinda. I still don’t understand the abandonment of an area while it’s producing, but I gotta remember that the production company cut-and-pasted to make their own story. I’ve never heard of RED glowing eyes in any animal, except ghosties and black dogs.

Bobo and Ranae are the only ones that seem to know anything about sasquatch and actually approach things reasonably on this show without jumping to the conclusion “oh there’s an acorn over there, there are definitely bigfoots in these woods” or “did you hear that sound, that was a bigfoot for sure!”

Finding Bigfoot is getting redundant. It appears that there are Bigfoot everywhere and every sound is a Bigfoot. Yet no proof has been given by the Moneymaker crew. How about having a specialist truly analyze the sound instead of the Moneymaker crew blurt out it’s a Bigfoot. Get some PHD’s to analyze this stuff. Matt has been working on a TV deal for a few years now. One would have thought he would have paid attention to the other failed shows and picked the best parts of them and made them better. Fail…

I agree with mcw2112 100%. They came upon what could possibly be Bigfoot urine and they just look at it and walk away. HUH? No sample or anything?!!! One witness said he had an incident just a week and a half before the team got there. If you’ve had a sighting that recent, stick around for a week or so, not just 1 or 2 days. Obviously proving Bigfoot’s existence could be the discovery of mankind and put your name in the science books, and others, forever. I don’t know if they’ll prove Bigfoot is real, however, the way they conduct their “research”, I have serious doubts. Watching the show is a good way to kill an hour though.

As far as call/sound blasting goes…I think my wife had a great point when she said last night that maybe they are scaring them away with that! Point in case: The wolfman show (about the guy that lives with them and goes in there enclosure and does everything with them)…Well, when a rancher overseas couldn’t handle a wolf problem he called the wolfman over and what he did was set up speakers and broadcast wolf howls to warn the guilty wolf pack to stay away…IT WORKED! Maybe this golden calf needs to be chucked?

“I think they got such good vocal responses is because this time Matt didn’t do a howl. Matt has the worst bigfoot howl I have ever heard, unless they are looking for a retarded bigfoot, his is only going to scare them away.”

Here’s some news for Justin31p. It was MY howl that it responded to. Ask Cliff. Ask Bobo. They will tell you.

The show is great. I believe Matt Moneymaker and the rest are sincere in their search. Matt Moneymaker, if you are reading this, give the guys on Animal Planet hell for:

1) Playing music in the background when the audience is trying to hear your audio. The cheesy music does not make it more suspenseful. It only makes it sound like an episode of Ghost Hunters. Cut out ALL the music please.

2) If you spot or hear something, via thermal or some other means, don’t let the crew “rush you off” the next day or hour to another site.

I get the impression that some Animal Planet jackass is behind the screw ups I have seen on this show that make me doubt whether they are legit or if its all staged for entertainment purposes.

This episode was a little better but I agree with mcw2112 – get the urine sample! Yikes! Any school kid would think to take a sample if that is what they thought it was. Also, I agree with various other posters who wonder why they just don’t stay in one area if they think it is hot. A couple hours noisily rummaging around the forest one night just doesn’t cut it! I want to believe in Bigfoot, but these guys aren’t helping.

1. Talk to Kahil…? There is a Kahil, and a Kahil Nettleton. Were you meaning the former? I thought we were all talking together but if he/she/bigfoot(?) has a different thread than I’ll go see.

2. If the people on the show found a sasquatch, it would be in a press conference instead of Animal Planet. Doesn’t mean they might not find something like a bone or skin and the analysis might take too long to do for a show schedule. Destination Truth had some supposed alien carcass that looked suspiciously like a chicken with shoes, still under investigation even though they have the carcass. And there was some Chupacabras-like humanoid supposedly found in Mexico that last time I checked was still an unknown. It wouldn’t be the same for a Sasquatch carcass (it wouldn’t take years to examine and determine that it is a non-human, native north American ape), but a small bio sample might be given a thorough few months of examination.

Plural of Bigfoot, to each their own on that one. Bigfoots, Bigfeet, the latter sounds better than the former but I think we can get a better name. The Term “Sasquatch” could be used perhaps in both a singular as well as plural, though I did read somewhere of a plural form of that word, “Sasquai”. I kinda like that term, but nothing is official.

A number of them would be most likely called a “Pod of Sasquatch” or a “Pod of Sasquai”.

@ Mik – I don’t like the show, just like so many of us here do not like the show. No need to single me out. And no, I don’t hate Matt or anyone else for that matter. I’m hated against all day and every day just for who I love, so I see no point in hating anyone else, including Matt. I don’t know Matt and for all I know in person he could be the nicest person I’ve ever met. As anyone can clearly see, my posts here are solely directed toward the content and format of the show. If you, Matt or anyone else can’t handle critics, then it isn’t my problem. I have not made any personal attacks, unlike others. My views on the show are on par with the vast majority of others. We don’t see it as a fact finding mission or documentary. We see it for what it is, pure entertainment.

If they would like to change that perception, then they need to do some damage control against what the production company airs on TV. Thing you do: be up front and honest with viewers/fans/critics. Thing you don’t do: viciously lash out at critics. Thing you don’t do: sign away all of your creative control. Thing you do: retain some creative control for credibility in lieu of a payday.

If by some small chance the show gets picked up for a second season, hopefully Matt and the team will have learned from past mistakes.

I think I can safely speak for all of us here and say that most of us were kind of excited for the show, then we saw the first episode, then we were disappointed with content, behavior and the “creative editing” practices. All we heard was someone stating that they know for a fact that a bigfoot does this, does that, looks like this, etc., yet we were given zero proof.

If I told you I saw a One-Eyed-Purple-People Eater and gave a very detailed description, will you believe me just on my word?

Well… As for the plural of Bigfoot or what a group of them would be called… I’d say it’d be like other apes and it’d be a troop. Since in theory they’d be rather intelligent, one might even call them a tribe.

Troops make sense, but tribes does make them sound more human. I suppose we will have to wait until one is captured to see where its intelligence ranks (I assume between ape and human). It would be amazing if there turned out to be several tribes with different hierarchies and behaviors, instead of solitary wanders who only meet up for reproduction. (a la bears).

But going by what is on record it seems like they are solitary except for the rare instances of an adult and juvenile traveling together (again, similar to bears). Either that or the only ones that are being sighted are the hunters who travel furthest from the home. (Completely a supposition, I know, there is no evidence one way or the other, but I like playing with hypotheticals).

Wish I could add my 2 cents regarding the show, but I’ve given up on it. Maybe I’ll catch a marathon of it one day and give it another chance but right now it just isn’t holding my interest due to the it’s a squatch at every turn, the uncritical acceptance of any and all evidence, and the heavy handed editing that has been done. If it gets a 2nd season I’ll watch at least 3 episodes of that and see if its gotten any better.

@ Matt – What that really necessary? You and the rest of BFRO are supposed to be a team right? Then why is it that all we are all hearing is “me me me” from you? Show a little humility. If it was in fact a sasquatch replying to you and not a “creative edit”…then you don’t know for sure if it was responding to your call. Sound takes tame to travel and it can travel far in a valley. There would be no way to know if it was just responding late to another call or if it was further away. The point is that you guys went out there as a team, any results would be a team effort. It comes off as though all the show is to you is an outlet for self promotion and ego boosting.

@ flame821 – For me the line between troop and tribe would be their intelligence level. Do they have a rudimentary language? Do they use tools?

Probably got confused with Whales (Pod of whales). Some of the definitions on this link talk about the phrase. Read on in the link, says the word can be used for whales, dolphins, seals, and for small groups of birds. It hints it might be used for other mammals, but there you go.

Matt Moneymaker says:
“Here’s some news for Justin31p. It was MY howl that it responded to. Ask Cliff. Ask Bobo. They will tell you.”

OK, I will certainly concede to you that maybe you did make some calls that night that were edited out, but do you realize how dumb it is to assume that the possible (yes that’s the word you need to learn to use) bigfoot cry was a direct response to your call? You have a law degree, so this would get an automatic objection in court as the witness can’t know the mindset of said bigfoot.

Now on to the substance of your calls, I challenge you to show me audio of a bigfoot in the wild that sounds anything close to what you make. Cliff does a good mimic of the so called whooping screeching sounds. Bobo does a close imitation of the “Ohio” and many other howls. What is yours called?

I will now proclaim to be a “Bigfoot expert” as my 4-year-old daughter is a “unicorn expert”. Aside from being an active crypto-hominid researcher I live half an hour from where this Mckenzie river footage was shot, and fish the river regularly. First off, during fishing season there are HUNDREDS of people along the shore and it is often hard to find a spot to fish without ‘stepping on someone’s toes’. As someone pointed out many fisherman are wearing neoprene outfits of some form as the Mckenzie river is cold, even in summer. Secondly Hwy. 126 runs very close to the river for most of its length. I believe that “squatch” did exist in this particular habitat until the last couple of decades. Most of the down stream riverbank has been sold as private property, and with the expansion of Hwy. 126 in the eighties, the human traffic between Springfield and Bend is now incredible. I strongly feel that Sasquatch still inhabit my beautiful home state, but at slightly higher elevations.
As far as I am concerned “squatch calling” in this manner seems unscientific, and frankly, it makes this overfilmed team seem even more ridiculous. As with many AP productions; I admire all the neat toys (I have a few myself), but feel that FLIR imaging of piss is not scientific unless further scrutiny is applied. Despite their intent, these “experts” are not shown in a scientific light. So is it just for our entertainment? If so, don’t BS the REAL scientists.

This series in general, is a step in the right direction. There are far too many consistent sightings across North America for centuries, numbering in the thousands. You could doubt that it’s real, but you could never prove that it is not real either. Animals in general are elusive, and extant homins in the past were hunted by other hominids, or one more advanced. It seems likely that those early hominids would develop their own niche, and avoid detection. Whether or not you like the show, or feel that its staged by the producers. There is always their entertaining gut reactions. When Cliff Barackman found those tracks in Georgia, you got a real sense of his genuine elation. If people didn’t think it was there, no one would ever look. It is always easier to judge someone else’s work, than to judge you own.

I like the show and I’m quite fond of the whole cast because their excitement is contagious. But having said that, I think they need to make it a little more scientific. Even the doofus host of Destination Truth would have taken a sample of that “Squatch Urine” even if it later turned out to belong to an Elk or Bear. And this idea of howling or playing recordings merely begs the question of whether the response is just an echo, another animal, or a recording being played back from some distance away – and I’m not accusing anyone but the producers at Animal Planet if that’s true. I just wish sometimes they would act more like bird watchers and listen instead of howl.

I’m still disappointed about the Skunk Ape episode and the unidentified horse at the end. Number one, the little airplane drone was supposed to find a “remote” place to view the Skunk Ape, and instead we get a power line trail with a horse? Can you say “farm”? Someone could have found that just as easily with Google Earth. If this show wants credibility, they need to earn it and stop these rather silly mistakes.

This was the best episode by far. It was still terrible. Their scientific approach resembles chickens running around with their heads removed. The lack of any controls on the “Evidence” makes it nearly unwatchable. Bobo declares the sound was a Squatch, Moneymaker chimes in his agreement and the discussion is over. Now that folks is science!

The positive is that Barackman was given a more leading role is an incredible improvement of Moneymaker. Hopefully the much more interesting and reasonable Barackman continues to push Mr. Moneymaker to the side.

Evidence of Animal Planet’s commitment to the show is really apparent on the website. Ranae and Bobo’s bio’s both say “Coming soon.”

Four episodes in and clearly Animal Planet could care less about any credibility for this show! It’s really sad. It is almost as if Animal Planet is trying to damage the principles’ credibility and make them all appear fools.

I was very excited for this show when it came out….very excited. It is obvious that they did not “find a bigfoot” during filming or we would have already heard about it.

I have a very good feeling that what we have seen on the show up to this point is the most that we will ever see:

1. Terrible video
2. Two different groups of people out in the woods at the same time and doing wood knocks back and forth while not knowing the other group is out there
3. Thermal images of the other sadistic idiots looking for bigfoot at night
4. Elk Bugles

Look, every place the crew goes for is a “hot spot” for bigfoots. You can do a basic youtube search on the areas they have all been to and you can see videos of other people doing knocks and howls in the same spot.

What I am saying is that all this show consists of and will consist of is multiple groups of “bigfoot” hunters knocking, howling and catching each other on the “therms”.

I am serious, do a search on youtube for the places they have been on all 4 episodes. You will find people doing knocks on the Mackenzie river, howls in the everglades and throwing rocks in North Carolina to call in bigfoot.

This is what the show is and each episode is just a different version of Elk Bugles that carry a long distance and branches snapping.

If you are going to use the “therm” use it right. Do your knocks and howls or whatever it is you do to “draw in a squatch” then mount the therm to that mini freaking drone they used in Florida and fly over your area you pinpointed from talking to the “eye witnesses”

Guys, we have all came up with PERFECT ideas to find bigfoot better and yet they won’t do anything different than examine crappy video, knocks, howls and talk to eye witnesses.

Why?

Because what we are suggesting for one is common sense and for two it will actually prove bigfoot DOES NOT EXIST and that will put the BFRO OUT OF BUSINESS.

As long as they can keep providing us with minimal evidence at best they can justify their funding of the BFRO. Once the world finds out there really is no bigfoot, then there is no BFRO and these guys will have to go get a real job and be a normal member of society!!!!

As far as calls go, I don’t think I would do them. If Sasquatch are out there and you are trying to mimic their sounds, how do you know what you are saying? You might be saying, “Get out. Stay away.” just as they might be. How is that helpful?

When it comes to hunters or scientists using sounds, it’s usually for an animal that has been studied for a long time and patterns can be established and you can figure out what sounds are done at what time. But, as far as Sasquatches go, no one has studied them to find this out.

I’ve seen a few comments declaring that the howl-responses were elk bugles. Its possible that the sounds heard were some other animal, but it didn’t sound like an elk to me. I don’t have much experience with elk, so I’m not claiming to know for sure. But the quality of the recording was not very good, so I don’t think anyone can positively identify what animal made it. I will say that it sounded like some alleged sasquatch recordings I have heard. I agree that we shouldn’t go forward with an “its a bigfoot” mindset, but let’s keep an open mind. After all, its just as negligent to jump on the “its NOT a bigfoot” bandwagon.

Regarding the use of call-blasting, I’d like to point out that it is not like the cast was trying out any new techniques. Call blasting has been around for a long time, and while no one can be sure what the effects are (whether it scares or attracts sasquatch), the use of this technique has elicited responses on numerous occasions. Calling works with turkeys, elk, deer, etc., so its not too far fetched to think that, even though we have no knowledge of their behavior, it may work with a sasquatch as well. As far as calling by voice, its hard to say if that method is as effective, but it has got responses before, so it is worth trying too.

Understand that everyone has a different approach and opinion on what works. I’ve had similar discussions with many other hunters on what techniques are or are not best to call in turkey or other game. The point is, every hunter or “squatcher” has a particular method that they feel gets them the best result. With an animal that we know very little about, it seems silly to say that something won’t work. I say try any approach you can; the evidence obtained is all that matters.

@Kahil
“If by some small chance the show gets picked up for a second season, hopefully Matt and the team will have learned from past mistakes.”

Really? I just googled tv ratings for this show and “Finding Bigfoot” has more viewers than “American Chopper”, so give it up @kahil. Animal Planet knew they were picking this up for multiple seasons after the numbers hit from the very first show.

@Kahil
Here’s another quote from you:
“I think I can safely speak for all of us here and say that most of us were kind of excited for the show, then we saw the first episode, then we were disappointed with content, behavior and the “creative editing” practices”

Well, I’m one of the “all of us here” and, based on your ‘woman scorned’ rants and amateur insights, I would never have you “speak for me” on anything. You continually flame this show and respond to every post about this show, but I bet you’re glued to the tv every Sunday night.

I personally think calls are useful for only two situations. Claiming territory (thereby challenging the other animal to come fight to keep it) and for finding mates (Which I am assuming will only work during mating season when said animal are in rut).

Now, if Bigfoot is on the higher end of the intelligence scale it COULD be a form of rudimentary language, but if Bigfoot is on the lower end, it could just as easily be a way of aggravating or chasing them away. Unfortunately we have no way of knowing at this point.

If BRFO or another organization was so inclined, an additional data base of research techniques and outcomes by geographic location could be started (bad thing being outcomes are EXTREMELY subjective) to see if there is any correlation between call blasting and responses (as a control I would insist the call session be recorded so the animal response could be evaluated by an expert so an elk or bear is not counted as a BF) same thing for knocking, rock throwing, etc.

@ riverguy
It is obvious by your post that you have become aggravated with Kahil, however you are verging on sexist with terms like ‘woman scorned’ especially as Kahil is not a woman (at least not judging from his professional website). And what exactly IS typical behavior of a scorned woman how does it differ from a man’s? I understand not wanting anyone to ‘speak for you’ but please, please, choose your terminology a bit more carefully.

I understand Kahil’s responses due to being here from the beginning and seeing how things unfolded. I have chosen to put a killfile on MM posts so I no longer have to see and be aggravated by him, but that is how ‘I’ deal with things. Others prefer the more direct approach, some prefer no approach at all, a few commentors seem to have fallen silent all together.

Whatever, its all good.

We are all individuals and are entitled to our own opinions and we do have the right to express those opinions within the guidelines of this site and the Mod’s graces. Please continue your dialogue with Kahil as your viewpoint and opinions are every bit as valid as his, but as a personal favor I ask that you weight your terminology before hitting post.

Just started watching the episode. Someone mentioned the BF calls sounding like Elk calls. No, it’s lacks the whinny tone Elks give when they call. It’s more deep, gut like like tone that almost sounds human. Honestly the closest I’ve come to hearing anything that sounds like that ungodly tone is a human voice, monkeys or moose (but even moose lack the almost humanness of the call). I heard that sound years ago. Makes the hairs raise on your back, especially when you hear it crashing though the woods at you.
Never forget it, scared the pants of me. Glad I didn’t stick around to see what was causing it.

Moose or hellishly big humanoid ape, that’s what is sounds like to me.

Gotta update, saw the entire ep. The howl response at the end of the ep, I’m on the fence. They could easily be elk. Though I stand by my moose or humanoid ape for the howls the kids recorded.

All in all despite all the flaws and annoying bits we’ve beaten to death (ie the fact they talk about BF as if it does exist, etc), it wasn’t a bad ep for what the show is. I really enjoyed the call blasting, and I found the team working together more this time. It seemed less about Matt and more about the group of them. Other issues I had, were discussed above. The lack of urine sample collecting got to me. I do hope they collected it later and tested it.

The last one, in North Carolina, was really bad, but I don’t wish to go into it, most folks on that ep thread covered everything that got to me there.

@riverguy – You clearly don’t understand how TV works. I work in the industry. Their ratings aren’t impressive by any means. American Chopper has gone way downhill over the seasons, so it isn’t a comparison when comparing to a new show. Most new shows have high ratings for their first few episodes, then they drop off. If you want to watch mindless entertainment with zero facts for an hour, then by all means, watch the show and keep watching it….no one is stopping you. Oh, and almost no network will pickup a show right off the start for multiple seasons. Anymore it goes season to season. this kind of show simply isn’t sustainable for multiple seasons, especially if they don’t find bigfoot.

First off, I’m not a woman, so your ‘woman scorned’ blast was a poor choice of words. Second, I’m not flaming, I’m on topic here. “What did you think of Finding Bigfoot: ‘Fishing for Bigfoot in Oregon’?” Our opinion was asked and I gave mine. So lose the tude dude.

Were you not excited for the show? You sure seem so. Were you disappointed with the creative edits, faking of evidence and Matt’s angry and bigoted attacks here? If not, you should be.

Amateur insights? And you base that assumption on what exactly? We are talking about cryptozoololgy here…there is no such thing as an expert in cryptozoology. You can’t be an expert on something that hasn’t been studied or proven to exist right? Thought so. One can only be dedicated to it. It’s not how long you study something, its how well you learn. No need to make personal attacks here.

I agree that Moneymaker’s “howls” sound utterly ridiculous. If anyone was in the area and heard him (campers, high school kids out partying in the woods) they would simply mess with him immediately by howling back or knocking. Maybe even crunching brush. The other guy’s howls are a million times better. MM did a good job in obtaining the Ohio Howl and deserves great credit for that but he needs to retire from making howls himself. He’s terrible at it, but I guess his team doesn’t want to offend him by telling him so.

I would think that after 25 years of looking for this supposed creature and the best you can come up with is a few “footprint” casts, recordings of “something” howling, recordings of “knocking” back, almost all fuzzy videos, a couple of supposed hair samples that the DNA results are never publicized, and no real concrete physical evidence like bones, pelt, body, a nice real sharp video, then either A.) Bigfoot doesn’t exist or B.) You’re doing something very wrong in your search methods. Watching the show the people on it seem to rarely stay outside beyond 1am. They talk to each other throughout the search. They wave flashlights around. They crank out sound recordings of something howling. No wonder they haven’t seen much of anything let alone a supposed very rare creature such as Bigfoot. They should be like deer hunters and use treestands, plaster the woods with those stop motion cams hunters use, spray the site with a scent that is non-human. Sit tight and shut the “F” up!

For the record I found this episode the best of the ones aired thus far. There was actual objective alternate theories offered besides “Yup! It’s a Squatch!”. I do think they were too quick to dismiss the woman driving. They pretty much called her a liar. It could have been someone in a suit messing with her. She was probably excited to be on TV and exaggerated. Yeah she could have made it up but let’s face it there is a lot of making up in this show.

Anyway that’s my 2 cents. Just sit in the woods and shut the “F” up! You just might get the find of the century!

LOL Chris213 wrote my exact feelings almost word for word, it was that close.

Glad to see I’m not the only one Matt Moneymaker has not convinced, seems there are more than Animal Planet would imagine.

One thing I did do though, I went out to my local San Gabriel Mountains just before sunrise today for fun, I let out a yell or howl as loud as I could to see if any coyotes or such would reply. Well from way up in one of the canyons I got a similar howl come back at me. Then I yelled HELLLLLLLOOOOOO and of course the hiker that made the howl I heard HELLLOOOOED me back, it was a laugh for us both.

Just saying, with any howl you may hear in the woods, the last thing you should assume is that it is an animal that has never been known to exist by science in North America. Just saying Matt.

@ Kahil
you can speak for me as one of the most people here cause we have the same low opinion of said show and its host.

someone earlier had a comment about red eyes. wild pigs have eyes that shine red at night also bears eyes shine deep red as well as rabbits and most rodents as well as the only North American Marsupial the oposum whos eyes shine a pinkish red. the last animal with red eye shine is a human but it usually takes a super bright light such as a flash from a camera to see human eye shine like redeye in a picture. so lots of animals eyes shine red. when people say it couldnt be a rodent or an oposum because the eyes were too high off the ground just remember lots of rodents and oposums live in trees.

as for the show I didnt watch because i said i wouldnt. i watched monster quest on netflix instead and must say it sounds like i made the right choice. remember everyone who doesnt like the show . by watching it every week your doing just what MM said you would do. (paraphrasing) no matter what you and your family will watch the show and bow to me. or some crap like that….by watching week after week you are serving his purpose and by continuing to have 60 plus posts on the show every week you are serving as advertisement for he and his show…just an observation those who dont like he or his show why boost his ratings and viewing audience by watching and keeping the show talk alive and on everyones lips….

@ Redrose999
Quote: “Glad I didn’t stick around to see what was causing it.”

Why not? You could have been ridiculously rich and forever famous if you had proven Bigfoot exist. Oh yea, the bad: You could have easily been squashed by a “Squatch”. I do know that if we’re in the woods together and hear “that sound” and you’re in front of me, you better run fast or you’ll be picking yourself up off the ground, because I’m not sticking around either.

The howl response that Bobo picked up on the parabolic, was that the actual response he heard, or did production edit in another sound. The reason I ask, is that it sounds very much like a Coyote howl. Can you verify?

What really makes you think that the show has what it takes to last multiple seasons? Does the show have compelling, attention grabbing new content each week? Nope. We get baseless claims, lack of facts, faked or creatively edited content. So far each show has basically been the same show, different location. OOOO! That’s definitely a bigfoot’s footprint, or grunt, or knock, or scream, etc. There is never anything new…never any facts…never anything of value.

Most users give it a 1! The show’s ratings have plummeted. Just as it is with a lot of new shows, they get decent ratings to start as viewers tune in to see what it is all about. With this show, it certainly didn’t help that viewers found out or realized that a lot or most of what was seen was faked or “creatively edited”. This show simply doesn’t have what it takes to go multiple seasons. No new show gets committed to multiple seasons right out of the gates.

Look, you are obviously a fan of a show that most aren’t and good for you, whatever floats your boat.

So far you’ve come at me personally for no reason, called me a woman and made a childish bet…..what’s next?

Fun to watch, but this show will yield zero results. The only way to get good evidence of BF is to do nothing. Put up a tent, build a fire, strum a guitar and wait. People who see BF are not running through the woods at night with a sound crew, cameras and zillion watt lighting gear. They are camping, walking, driving, etc. BF is a curious creature. Get into his environment, be obvious, and let him come to you. Of course, he doesn’t know you have IR cameras and night vision recording gear. Only you do. But a show about people sitting around waiting won’t get aired so it’s a non issue. Oh well.

Kahil Quote 1: “You’ve come at me personally for no reason”
Ironic. Of course that’s how you see it. When you respond or make comments to others, in your mind it’s simply “commenting”. But, when someone does it to you, “it’s personal”.

Kahil Quote 2: “This show simply doesn’t have what it takes to go multiple seasons. No new show gets committed to multiple seasons right out of the gates.”
You have MULTIPLE statements to this claim. I think you’re saying this, not because it’s true, but because MM hurt your feelings.

And, I did not “call you a woman” I used the analogy of “a woman scorned” because that’s the tone of your posts. At first you were simply a bit negative, but after MM confronted you, you now you take a flame thrower to anything about the show, the cast, and especially MM. I simply don’t think that’s fair.

You seemingly like to shout, but don’t like it when anybody shouts back.

I kept seeing you make these statements that they’re not going to go multiple seasons and you use your claim of “I’m in the industry”, but I think you are wrong. I think Animal Planet will sign them for Season 2.

That’s why I proposed my bet with you.

If I’m wrong, and you’re so right, I’m willing to put up or shut up.
Look, if you don’t want to take it, that’s cool.

First, when you quote my name, the things I say and then respond with personal jabs, that isn’t “commenting”….nice try. Learn to debate bud. Debating is about attacking what someone says and not making it personal. Your “analogy” doesn’t make sense as you stated it unless you thought or were calling me a woman. Again…nice try…

Next, Matt never hurt my feelings whatsoever. No feelings to hurt in this scenario. He came here to make personal and bigoted attacks at people just because they didn’t like his reality tv show. You seem to feel the need to single me out though. I’m not the only one saying things against the show right? No, I’m not. Everything I’ve said has been on par with others. Let’s do a little run down here… Does the show engage in creative editing to make viewers believe something is there that isn’t? Yes. Does the show routinely fake evidence? Yes. Do the cast members make outlandish and factless claims? Yes. Do some of the cast members claim to be experts on something they have never studied or seen? Yes. Do they make claims about the looks, behavior, etc of bigfoot without providing a single shred of evidence? Yes. Did a particular cast member come here to make vicious and personal attacks against several loyal cryptomundo readers? Yes. Face it, the show is fake, just like every other reality TV show and is for pure entertainment only.

The show just isn’t going to be able to compete with the more popular series in that time slot that are now returning for their summer season. Ask anyone else in the TV industry and they will assure you that it is extremely rare for a show to be picked up for multiple seasons right off the bat. Nearly every single show that is on right now goes with a season to season contract. If the show isn’t keeping up with desired ratings, they can it and let another show have a go at it. It is just the nature of the business.

You seem to be vehemently defending the show and especially defending Matt. Hrmmm… Makes ya think don’t it folks.

If you like the show, then great….keep watching it and defending it.

Finally, I’m not shouting. I’m just trying to engage in a civil debate, but it seems that you and Matt enjoy making it personal. Sorry, not gonna fall for it. I’m not doing the whole “I’m right, you’re wrong” thing. Have I and others been calling Matt and the show out to provide facts rather than just bold claims? Absolutely. In regards to my thoughts on the show and the possibilities of a followup season, I’m just going on what I know from working with the television studios here in Los Angeles….oh, and the ratings and reviews by viewers and critics all over Al Gore’s greatest invention, the internet. ;P

Kahil Quote: “First, when you quote my name, the things I say and then respond with personal jabs, that isn’t “commenting”….nice try.”

I address you, then specifically the thing you said, and respond to it.
O.K. seems pretty much like a “comment” to me.

When you directly address someone in your comments and the comment they posted, you don’t seem to consider it a “personal jab”, you seem to consider it a “civil debate” when you do it. double standard.

Ok…seems as though riverguy has nothing new to add to the discussion/debate. A debate is when two or more people discuss opposing views on a subject. Re-read what I have said. When I name someone by name in a response, it is always in regards to something they said, not them as a person. Huge difference bud. Unlike you who has attempted to make it personal, like with your ‘woman scorned’ and other comments that are directed at me on a personal level. Again, nice try…so let’s move on.

Anywho… IMHO, if Matt and the rest of the group are sincere in their search and aren’t just out to get a paycheck or be on TV…and if they are truly innocent of the nefarious things that have been shown to go on with the show then I think they should do a weekly web series on youtube. This show just doesn’t have what it takes to go a multiple series run on any network. When it comes to a subject such as this, people want to see proof…not just someone making really bold claims without anything to back it up show after show. I think that a show such as this would do much better if it wasn’t done in a reality tv show format. It needs more science and less fluff and lip service.

Okay, I’ll throw myself into this just because I can actually search for some data regarding ratings.

According to IMDB median score is a 1 out of 10

Getglue shows almost no followers and many that do seem to be watching for the comedy value (going by the comments that are more than just episode names or ‘check'; a few are quite positive, most are pointing and laughing)

Tv by the numbers is showing FB as the 2nd lowest rank show on that day and time slot. Reruns of Swamp people beat it out, the ONLY show lower was American Choppers; Senior. (this data is most recent available, June 14)

Please tell me if there are any other valid sites to check.

Do I think it will get picked up for another season; actually considering how little Animal Planet has to offer, yes I do. Will it get renewed after that? Not if they don’t fix a lot of current issues, but as a summer fill-in series its fine for what it is; ‘reality’ tv just like Real Housewives of NJ and Keeping up with the Kardashians which (heaven help us all) topped the ratings for that day and time.

Are there bad feelings between MM and many people on this site, yes there is no denying that his past behavior has colored our views of him and his show. But that’s on his head, he chose his own behavior nobody ‘forced’ him to act like that. Key point; Cliff regularly does behind the scenes and explains a lot of things, he has spoken to Mr. Woolheater and posted at least one article here specifically to address what he felt was wrong with the editing of the series. To my knowledge NO ONE gave him grief, in fact we appreciated his honesty and integrity to come forward like that and explain who, what, where and when in a calm and reasonable manner.

This tit and tat between riverguy and kahil is pretty pointless. The readers here understand BOTH of your positions. Some of us agree, some disagree, some don’t care. But for the two of you to waste time bickering over something (or someone) like this is silly. Riverguy you are pro-finding bigfoot and want it to be renewed. Kahil you are anti-finding bigfoot and don’t expect it to be renewed. As for betting and silencing the other person….creepy.

You are both adults, both well spoken and both seem intelligent. Please drop this silly back and forth and move forward. No one wins in an internet argument except the trolls.

I’m amazed that the Finding Bigfoot episodes have caused such an expenditure of energy. In reading the entire discussion thread what really amazes me is that so many people find such a hokey, pseudo-scientific television series worthy of such attention at all.

I see that some people actually believe the ridiculous debacle bill-boarded as Finding Bigfoot actually has any merit or value in solving the questionable ( probable) existence of a “Gigantopithecus americanus sandersonii” or such. [sic.]

I have made a principled decision to not watch the series or its reruns. If the show presents anything worthy I’m sure I’ll read about it here first and investigate further at my leisure. Should the show be signed on for a second season, that fact in itself becomes a testament to the gullibly ignorant and lazy thinking, illogical condition of the average Bigfoot proponent. Thinking folks are infuriated by the presentation of crap as science, as well they should be. This spurs the debate in many cases when in fact maybe we’d all be better off to just forget the BS some “experts” and Hollywood types are trying to feed us. Lets move on to better topics for thought and discussion.

@ flame821 – I see your point. As you and others can see, I have been trying to engage in a civil debate. Why riverguy felt the need to come at me personally and not anyone else is beyond me. Yeah, the betting is for silence was a little odd. As for the show…I tried to debunk the ratings hype and reality of the show based on what I know from working in the industry…but apparently facts mean nothing…lol… As you pointed out, nearly everywhere you look or read, the show simply isn’t doing well at all. So far, the only ones who aren’t are bigfoot websites, etc.

You’re right…there is a very small chance that they might do one more season, but it is also highly unlikely to happen. Chances are Animal planet already has something else lined up…either a new show or reruns of other shows. I mean, come on…if reruns of other shows are doing better in ratings. Also, keep in mind that the show started during the programming offseason. As I’m sure we all have noticed, the summer season is starting and highly rated shows are returning…not to mention some promising new shows. If this show is doing so poorly during the offseason, it just doesn’t have a chance during the regular season.

Like I said…if Matt and the rest of BFRO want to save face and have creative control…then BFRO, especially Matt, need to grow some thicker skin and improve on their professionalism….and they should do regular to semi-regular web series.

I just wish that someone would do a bigfoot show or documentary right….as in making the show fun and compelling to watch without having to fake most or all of what is shown just for production. Otherwise it just comes off as complete fiction that is on par with sci fi B movies.

“Should the show be signed on for a second season, that fact in itself becomes a testament to the gullibly ignorant and lazy thinking, illogical condition of the average Bigfoot proponent”.

should read:
Should the show be signed on for a second season, that fact in itself becomes a testament to the gullibly ignorant and lazy thinking, illogical condition of the average “Finding Bigfoot” proponent. There’s undoubtedly a big difference between bigfoot proponent and “Finding Bigfoot” proponent.

And…by “Finding Bigfoot” proponent; I mean those that find nothing amiss with the program.
Sorry bout that folks