Why can't people just shoot themselves instead of taking someone else out with them? Twitter also reporting that the couple has a young child, too. Some saying 2.5 months old, some saying 2 year old. Either way, seems like a small baby now having to be raised by somebody else. Unconfirmed by a legitimate source so far, though.

Yep, CDT, you know the concussion stories are being prepped as we speak.

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Report is he shot himself in front of Romeo and Pioli, which is an additionally fucked up thing to do.

I've been seeing a lot of suicides lately, and I just don't get it. It is one of the most hateful things you can do to those that love you. I've had a lot of friends just devastated by the loss of loved ones for no good reason. I understand things can go wrong in life, but just throwing it all away... that's not the answer.

LarsHancock wrote:Report is he shot himself in front of Romeo and Pioli, which is an additionally fucked up thing to do.

I've been seeing a lot of suicides lately, and I just don't get it. It is one of the most hateful things you can do to those that love you. I've had a lot of friends just devastated by the loss of loved ones for no good reason. I understand things can go wrong in life, but just throwing it all away... that's not the answer.

Prayers to his family and especially his child.

I would never advocate suicide, even the Kevorkian type. But agree: why does the shooter need to do max damage first? At least some people figure out how to disappear forever, or at least require minimal cleanup and trauma to others.

Some people are messed in the head, or the meds are messed up- I get that. But it's like my wife's coworker's husband. They raced to have as many kids as they could make in 5 yrs, and then he hangs himself, at home, for all to see. I can't even think about the kids. All the adults near the situation are calling him selfish, bastard, idiot, and worse. Don't know if he ever considered his legacy, but that is it.

I think the inescapable fact is that if people on the edge were able to think rationally about the consequences of their actions and its effect on their loved ones, they wouldn't be on that edge to begin with.

LarsHancock wrote:Report is he shot himself in front of Romeo and Pioli, which is an additionally fucked up thing to do.

I've been seeing a lot of suicides lately, and I just don't get it. It is one of the most hateful things you can do to those that love you. I've had a lot of friends just devastated by the loss of loved ones for no good reason. I understand things can go wrong in life, but just throwing it all away... that's not the answer.

Prayers to his family and especially his child.

It's crazy. Just in the last 5 or 6 months I've been affected a few times. I had a pretty good friend from high school who I hadn't seen in a few years hang himself in July. Also, I guy I was acquainted with in dental school committed suicide a few months back. He had 2 kids, one of them less than a year old IIRC.

Absolutely awful. Lars's post says what I would say, for the most part.

As someone who has known how much pain a suicidal person is in, I have nothing but sympathy for every party involved. A man was very sick and unfortunately, for whatever reason, he chose to hurt a huge number of people. There are no words.

motherscratcher wrote:I think the inescapable fact is that if people on the edge were able to think rationally about the consequences of their actions and its effect on their loved ones, they wouldn't be on that edge to begin with.

Bingo.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

This is just crazy. How narcissistic to kill not only the mother, but yourself, leaving an infant child parentless. But, whatever, it's all about this person's one drama.

I feel incredibly bad for the child. There's a long road to climb for the rest of the family.

I live by a cemetary, I take my 2-year old for walks through there a few times a week. He loves to walk around there, talk to the stones, and stare at the big flag pole in the middle of the grounds. I frequently see some people all gathered around the same stone, put in summer of 2011.

I finally had a chance to speak to them, and the person they were mourning had committed suicide. They clearly still are not handling the suicide in any kind of fashion that would suggest they are moving on with their lives (The person was 22).

Senseless, absolutely senseless. And as a father of a young child (With another on the way), I can't fathom how anyone would do something like this.

And, CDT, those concussion stories already are being fired off left and right.

Yea, Joe fan is suoopsed to (and should) reserve judgement until all the facts are out there, (Whether we should be privy to ALL facts is another argument) yet they can go on and on lauding a guy who did THIS.

Christ, if this was some random guy from Arkansas the general public would be mother f'ing him till the cows came home.

And mental illness is mental illness. There's much left to be figured out, but couldn't you argue we haven't figured out those of Sandusky's ilk either? Cause some that'll give this guy a pass want Sandusky in front of a firing squad.

Funny how this was the second story behind the all important AFC playoff race on CBS's coverage.

At least CBS was able to bring humor into this story w/ Cowher stating that he wouldn't want anyone else other than Romeo coaching this game today for KC.

KC to have a moment of silence for victims of domestic violence prior to kickoff.

Just an screwed up situation in any case but agree w/ Lead, if this was John Doe from Aurora, he'd be villified. 'cause this guy could play ball, his brothers in arms will cut him some slack

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LarsHancock wrote:I've been seeing a lot of suicides lately, and I just don't get it. It is one of the most hateful things you can do to those that love you. I've had a lot of friends just devastated by the loss of loved ones for no good reason. I understand things can go wrong in life, but just throwing it all away... that's not the answer.

But for them, it was.

The reason it's such an appealing option to these people is exactly that they don't have to deal with the cleanup on aisle loved ones. You don't have to deal with anything ever again.

The height of selfishness, yes. Especially if you're taking someone out with you.

Most of you seem to miss the primary cause of a murder/suicide. It's the murder that triggers it. Then when they finally process the ramifications of murdering someone (living with the guilt, going to jail, etc.) they decide to take their own life.

And when someone is capable of killing themself they tend to not worry about the results of that particular action. Reminding them how much it will hurt their loved ones or the people who witness it is rarely an effective tactic to convince the person not to go through the act.

Bill Reiter wrote that the Chiefs players had this guy's jersey hanging in the locker room in memorium. I guess baby mama's are a dime a dozen and the murder of one of them has no lasting affect on anyone.

** edit - not that I'm surprised

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Larvell Blanks wrote:Bill Reiter wrote that the Chiefs players had this guy's jersey hanging in the locker room in memorium. I guess baby mama's are a dime a dozen and the murder of one of them has no lasting affect on anyone.

** edit - not that I'm surprised

How many of those guys look in the mirror every night and wonder if they are going to be next?

They are violent men, raised (and often medicated) to be even more violent. They all have their demons - drinking, drugs, whores, whatever they may be - and all their heads are a little scrambled from the game that they play.

Who will wake up tomorrow not knowing what they did on Sunday like Belcher did a couple of weeks ago? Who will have their thinking and decisionmaking impaired, and turn to drugs and booze to rectify it, and then do something they regret for the rest of their life, as short as it may be?

In that locker room, it is hard to blame the man for being defective. They know that, they know the demons he ultimately lost the battle to. They fight them every day.

Are we as humans called to be better? Of course. And was it a despicable and cowardly thing that Belcher did? Of course. But there's a reason we don't send mentally ill people to the gas chamber in America. Whether Belcher was "ill" or just "defective" we'll never know.

LarsHancock wrote: How many of those guys look in the mirror every night and wonder if they are going to be next?

They are violent men, raised (and often medicated) to be even more violent. They all have their demons - drinking, drugs, whores, whatever they may be - and all their heads are a little scrambled from the game that they play.

Who will wake up tomorrow not knowing what they did on Sunday like Belcher did a couple of weeks ago? Who will have their thinking and decisionmaking impaired, and turn to drugs and booze to rectify it, and then do something they regret for the rest of their life, as short as it may be?

In that locker room, it is hard to blame the man for being defective. They know that, they know the demons he ultimately lost the battle to. They fight them every day.

Are we as humans called to be better? Of course. And was it a despicable and cowardly thing that Belcher did? Of course. But there's a reason we don't send mentally ill people to the gas chamber in America. Whether Belcher was "ill" or just "defective" we'll never know.

Not sure where you are going here - but I would like to point out that just because guys play a violent game does not necessarily mean they are prone to violence off the field.

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Larvell Blanks wrote:Bill Reiter wrote that the Chiefs players had this guy's jersey hanging in the locker room in memorium. I guess baby mama's are a dime a dozen and the murder of one of them has no lasting affect on anyone.

** edit - not that I'm surprised

How many of those guys look in the mirror every night and wonder if they are going to be next?

They are violent men, raised (and often medicated) to be even more violent. They all have their demons - drinking, drugs, whores, whatever they may be - and all their heads are a little scrambled from the game that they play.

Who will wake up tomorrow not knowing what they did on Sunday like Belcher did a couple of weeks ago? Who will have their thinking and decisionmaking impaired, and turn to drugs and booze to rectify it, and then do something they regret for the rest of their life, as short as it may be?

In that locker room, it is hard to blame the man for being defective. They know that, they know the demons he ultimately lost the battle to. They fight them every day.

Are we as humans called to be better? Of course. And was it a despicable and cowardly thing that Belcher did? Of course. But there's a reason we don't send mentally ill people to the gas chamber in America. Whether Belcher was "ill" or just "defective" we'll never know.

The reason I brought this up was the effort that the organization made to ensure his name was not mentioned and their moment of silence for all victims of domestic violence. Seems like if they didn't want any type of "memorial" out there, knowing the media, national media, would see his jersey hanging in the locker room seems like someone wasn't paying attention. The players lost one of their own, I get that, but someone in that organization has to see that jersey and tell these guys it can't be visible. 2 people lost their lives in this and one was, what we presume, an innocent victim. A third was orphaned and denied the chance of knowing her parents.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:You cannot tell them how they can and cannot mourn the loss of a friend.

Not saying they cannot mourn a friend/teammate. However with the public outcry of this guy murdering someone and the organization making every effort to make sure they don't publicly mourn Belcher, to have his jersey hanging in the locker room for all to see (national media) doesn't assist KC w/ their original intent. The players intent was not to glorify what he did, however in this day and age, perception will be peoples reality. Those in the minority who see it as the Chiefs players paying tribute to Belcher and his actions will crucify the entire organization regardless if they are wrong or right.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:How does emptying his locker change the perception of anything?

It doesn't but it doesn't help perception having his jersey hanging there as a rallying point for the team in a room that the media will be in after the game. Especially when those who are signing the checks have distanced themselves from the situation by not acknowledging Belcher. The last thing ownership and the FO probably wanted was for players paying tribute for him seeing they rejected the idea of a black sticker and/or armbands.

If he only took his own life I could see the tug of war, but by brutally taking the life of someone else it's tough to justify paying tribute to him, to me at least it is.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

LarsHancock wrote: How many of those guys look in the mirror every night and wonder if they are going to be next?

They are violent men, raised (and often medicated) to be even more violent. They all have their demons - drinking, drugs, whores, whatever they may be - and all their heads are a little scrambled from the game that they play.

Who will wake up tomorrow not knowing what they did on Sunday like Belcher did a couple of weeks ago? Who will have their thinking and decisionmaking impaired, and turn to drugs and booze to rectify it, and then do something they regret for the rest of their life, as short as it may be?

In that locker room, it is hard to blame the man for being defective. They know that, they know the demons he ultimately lost the battle to. They fight them every day.

Are we as humans called to be better? Of course. And was it a despicable and cowardly thing that Belcher did? Of course. But there's a reason we don't send mentally ill people to the gas chamber in America. Whether Belcher was "ill" or just "defective" we'll never know.

Not sure where you are going here - but I would like to point out that just because guys play a violent game does not necessarily mean they are prone to violence off the field.

Not really sure where I was going, or if I was going anywhere.

I was trying to explain the reason the players would memorialize their teammate, but not excuse it. And yeah, I understand that there are a lot of players who are gentle giants and have great hearts off the field. And there are a bunch who aren't and don't. Belcher was the latter, despite the perception he was able to deliver that he was the former.

And I do think this scares a lot of guys into wondering if they will indeed be next in snapping.

By the way, I do think it was insensitive to the murder victim to hang the jersey there. Would Carolina have hung Rae Carruth's jersey if he decided to kill himself instead of hide in a trunk (opening debate as to which would be a more cowardly act...)? Would every fan in Baltimore have a Ray Lewis jersey, and would they blow him constantly on TV if he had killed himself after the double murder he committed?

rk wrote:Most of you seem to miss the primary cause of a murder/suicide. It's the murder that triggers it. Then when they finally process the ramifications of murdering someone (living with the guilt, going to jail, etc.) they decide to take their own life.

And when someone is capable of killing themself they tend to not worry about the results of that particular action. Reminding them how much it will hurt their loved ones or the people who witness it is rarely an effective tactic to convince the person not to go through the act.

True, but don't most of them go down at the same time, and same place? This guy shot his GF with his mom in the house then got in a car and drove to Arrowhead Stadium, only to shoot himself. I mean can you picture him getting stopped at the last red light on the way saying to himself "Fuck!".

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

rk wrote:Most of you seem to miss the primary cause of a murder/suicide. It's the murder that triggers it. Then when they finally process the ramifications of murdering someone (living with the guilt, going to jail, etc.) they decide to take their own life.

And when someone is capable of killing themself they tend to not worry about the results of that particular action. Reminding them how much it will hurt their loved ones or the people who witness it is rarely an effective tactic to convince the person not to go through the act.

True, but don't most of them go down at the same time, and same place? This guy shot his GF with his mom in the house then got in a car and drove to Arrowhead Stadium, only to shoot himself. I mean can you picture him getting stopped at the last red light on the way saying to himself "Fuck!".

Latest report says he did not kill himself until the police arrived. Which leads me to believe he shot himself because of what he had done, he did not shoot her because of what he was going to do.

Bitch came home late from a hip-hop concert, fucking kid wouldn't stop crying and ...shit...no wonder he shot her nine times and saved one for himself. If he'd had a bigger magazine he'd have shot her 14 times and saved the last one. No playin' around.

This had to have been building for awhile. He is 25 she is 22. They have a 3 month-old. Any man who had known a pregnant women, knows that there hormones change. It is tough to be around them sometimes when they filp to script on you because of hormones. So they had to have been fighting for awhile. Belcher just didn't buy a gun this week, so it is possible that it was pre-meditated. He is immature and doesn't understand or what to embrace being a father. The gf mother was probably called to watch the toddler. GF, goes to the concert, the club and the hotel lobby to kick it like she used to(with his money). She comes home, someone says something to talk smack. Belcher gets fed up with her grabs his gun and the rest is history.

Belcher “Was Dazed, Suffering From Short-Term Memory Loss” After Last Start; Alcohol, Painkillers, Domestic Tensions Played Role In Murder-Suicide

It almost plays itself out like a old Chappelle Show skit called "When keeping it real goes wrong."

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

kman_holla8 wrote:This had to have been building for awhile. He is 25 she is 22. They have a 3 month-old. Any man who had known a pregnant women, knows that there hormones change. It is tough to be around them sometimes when they filp to script on you because of hormones. So they had to have been fighting for awhile. Belcher just didn't buy a gun this week, so it is possible that it was pre-meditated. He is immature and doesn't understand or what to embrace being a father. The gf mother was probably called to watch the toddler. GF, goes to the concert, the club and the hotel lobby to kick it like she used to(with his money). She comes home, someone says something to talk smack. Belcher gets fed up with her grabs his gun and the rest is history.

Belcher “Was Dazed, Suffering From Short-Term Memory Loss” After Last Start; Alcohol, Painkillers, Domestic Tensions Played Role In Murder-Suicide

It almost plays itself out like a old Chappelle Show skit called "When keeping it real goes wrong."

So you, like the "friend" who was the source of Deadspin blog you quoted (without linking) essentially want to believe the whole thing was some big, explainable, misunderstanding and the victim "was the catalyst"? In other words the bitch deserved it?

Am I understanding your POV?

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