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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

We tried the B.Rush experiment once. The problem with him isn't that he isn't talented. It is that he use that talent. He is lazy, dosen't play 100% when he is in the game, and his attitude wasn't great. He had those great stretches of games at the end of the season a couple of years back. That offseason alot of people on here thought he was our answer at SG. We thought he would average between 15-20 ppg. He never did. He just went back to the same old timid B.Rush.

He might be done. I think he can still give a team 10-15 minutes per game, but he has to find that team.

BRush received a qualifying offer from the Warriors. Given the number of Players on their rookie contracts that did not receive a qualifying offer....what does that tell you?

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

You keep talking about Korver in the playoffs against us, but you realize he was shooting over a guy 8 inches shorter than him, yes? Pretty easy to be comfortable doing that all day.

You make it sound like shot volume is the giant difference here, and it's not. In Rush's 4 years in the league, he's shot 394 of 953. Korver in the last 4 years has shot 400-937. Pretty close to identical in shots made, and volume of them taken.

Just so you know, Korver wasn't a free agent, and he was traded to the Hawks for nothing but "cash considerations". As we know, guys who are cold hard killers on the court get traded for packages that involve no picks, and no players all the time.

You have some strange personal vendetta here, because you're skewing facts, making things up and calling other people names the whole way down that road. There was a lot of misinformation in there, but I only picked these two things because I didn't feel like spending several minutes on it. Rush doesn't and didn't suck.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

It seems PacersPride is still sticking to his old arguments. Hilarious

Yes, indeed. And arguments plural is exactly it. Let's see here, off the top of my head...

Rush is not a good 3 point shooter.
Rush is not a consistent 3 point shooter.
Rush is not a consistent 3 point threat.
Rush doesn't hit any big 3 point shoots.
Too many of Rush's 3's are wide open.
Rush air balled a 3 once, which shows he isn't a good shooter.
Rush isn't a good shooter.
Rush isn't a consistent shooter.
Rush doesn't score enough.

The best part? Whenever you poke holes in some of these (some make more sense than others, but he seems to like the silliest ones best), he just shifts to the next one and carries on as if they are the same argument! HI-LARIOUS, in a face meets brick wall kind of way. :| Does he care that Rush just came off a season shooting 50% overall and 45% from behind the line (and improved his much maligned free throw shooting average to just below 80%?) Nooooope, somehow it should be even more obvious to us that Rush totally sucks. Come on man, even those of us who were disappointed with Rush's time here aren't buying it.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

For those who love Rush, they need to get over the fact that while it would be great to have him back in Indiana, he will never come back for PR reasons, fair or not. And Indy is far from the best place for him to be playing right now anyway.

And this is why I get frustrated with TPTB/Bird because I feel like he somewhat perpetuated that view as some defense of his pick or something, like it was a good pick BUT he's lazy so it's not my fault.

If Larry/fanbase just accepted that he was a great 3pt bench SG defender (what DJones kinda was last year) and gave you more scoring+defense than Barbosa, then he could have just stood his ground, let fans accept that you build a team with high picks that become average and average picks that become great (and all other variations), and enjoy him filling a much needed role on the team.

BTW, ditto with Josh.

The whole Josh/Rush shuffle last year that ended up as Lou and Barbosa was just wasted energy. They easily could have just stood pat on both guys and spent basically exactly what they spent anyway for 2 known bench players with reliable specialty skills that the team needed.

Or in other words, Rush sux at 3 ball.

BTW, I don't get "lazy". The guy was a pretty strong shot blocker from the SG spot and a good SG rebounder...because those are things lazy players do, right? His only "lazy" area was not trying to take a shot 11 times in 10 minutes (ahem, Barbosa) and on this squad I wouldn't consider that a negative.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

I watched a lot of Golden State games last season. Rush performed very well for them and was most definitely a consistent 3 point threat and as a defender. He was almost always in at crunch time, that right there says a lot about how well he played.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

I watched a lot of Golden State games last season. Rush performed very well for them and was most definitely a consistent 3 point threat and as a defender. He was almost always in at crunch time, that right there says a lot about how well he played.

Crunch time? Golden State didn't have any meaningful crunch time. They were 13th out of 15 teams in their conference. OTOH, the Pacers were 3rd in their conference and had several bench players as good as Rush.

Seriously, I don't get this hand-wringing over Brandon Smokin' Rush. Collison was a better bench player and he's gone too. Dahntay Jones is basically Rush's equal bringing different things to the court. Both are good backups and both are gone. I suppose he's better than Barbosa, but that's not saying much. We probably should have kept DJ who I think is a better player overall. Certainly DJ doesn't fall asleep out there.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

Crunch time? Golden State didn't have any meaningful crunch time. They were 13th out of 15 teams in their conference. OTOH, the Pacers were 3rd in their conference and had several bench players as good as Rush.

Seriously, I don't get this hand-wringing over Brandon Smokin' Rush. Collison was a better bench player and he's gone too. Dahntay Jones is basically Rush's equal bringing different things to the court. Both are good backups and both are gone. I suppose he's better than Barbosa, but that's not saying much. We probably should have kept DJ who I think is a better player overall. Certainly DJ doesn't fall asleep out there.

Yes they did, GS lost so many last second games that I'm not sure if it was some kind of record, by the way Rush was huge for GS last year, he is their main defensive guy, he usually guards the Lebron's and Wade's of the NBA, call me crazy but the Pacers need a guy like him at this moment.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

Yes they did, GS lost so many last second games that I'm not sure if it was some kind of record, by the way Rush was huge for GS last year, he is their main defensive guy, he usually guards the Lebron's and Wade's of the NBA, call me crazy but the Pacers need a guy like him at this moment.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

Crunch time? Golden State didn't have any meaningful crunch time. They were 13th out of 15 teams in their conference. OTOH, the Pacers were 3rd in their conference and had several bench players as good as Rush.

Seriously, I don't get this hand-wringing over Brandon Smokin' Rush. Collison was a better bench player and he's gone too. Dahntay Jones is basically Rush's equal bringing different things to the court. Both are good backups and both are gone. I suppose he's better than Barbosa, but that's not saying much. We probably should have kept DJ who I think is a better player overall. Certainly DJ doesn't fall asleep out there.

If you haven't noticed just about every NBA game comes down to the 4th quarter, so yes even bad teams like Golden State have plenty of games with crunch time. The bad teams just seem to lose most of them.

No hand ringing here, just saying Rush is a consistent 3 pt shooter and solid player. He blew his chance here and won't ever be invited back. I have no problem with that. Doesn't mean I don't like him as a player.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

I have nothing personal against Brandon Rush, and he may be doing well in GS, a change of scenery was probably good for the guy.. and CALI is probably a good location for Brandon in the grand scheme of things. My expectations of Rush lowered considerably after the first 5 games of the season he was suspended and came back to basically go back to his normal ways after a few good games. OBrien problem had a considerable amount to do with Rush's overall lack of development (JOB is a good scapegoat for any scenario). Rush would have been a find backup sg/sf, however ... Bird wanted him gone and he was very difficult to trade at least to the point where Memphis nixed a deal b/c he was included.

In his time w/ GS he may have improved, a 4% increase suggests so, nevertheless his time here in Indiana he was not a consistent 3 pt shooter. The best way to resolve this is with a game log of his career here with the Pacers.

I am not going to go to the detail this evening but i will try to check it out soon. sorry, ive seen that guy play 90% of his games as a Pacer, and I am not going to let his 3pt % mislead me.

it will be interesting to see the games where rush actually hit some 3's that meant much to the outcome of the game. his third year here is the season he came off the bench, so his #s should have improved against the other teams second unit.

if someone who can embed rush game log of at least his third season i would greatly appreciate it.. i can only provide the link. if possible pls include the opponent and final score, along with minutes played .. and free throws missed.

my hunch is rush had his best games against weak opponents (2nd units of nonplayoff temas) and blowouts.

sorry fellas, if brandon rush is consistent 3 pt threat than the league has some really bad shooters. rush was never consistent with antthing he did, not even defense.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

Yes they did, GS lost so many last second games that I'm not sure if it was some kind of record, by the way Rush was huge for GS last year, he is their main defensive guy, he usually guards the Lebron's and Wade's of the NBA, call me crazy but the Pacers need a guy like him at this moment.

Rush was huge for a bad team. He was a bench player no better than Dahntay Jones for the Indiana Pacers and he wasn't as good as Collison. I don't get the love. Brandon had his head up his arse half the time all spaced out. When he wasn't spaced out, yes, he was a great defender. But that was half the time. He's not a crunch time player by any stretch and I cannot remember any games of relevance for him in Indiana. Lance Stephenson is younger than Rush was his rookie year and will probably far surpass him. Then you have George Hill who will get backup minutes at the 2. The Pacers simply don't need Brandon Rush. What you all value in Brandon isn't real. He doesn't play good defense for more than stretches and from one game to the next he vanished completely and was the definition of inconsistent. I could not be more happy the team moved on...

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

sorry, ive seen that guy play 90% of his games as a Pacer, and I am not going to let his 3pt % mislead me.

Here lies the problem. You think your perception is more accurate than what happened.

When a guy shoots 40%+ from 3 point range, 3 out of 4 seasons, and the only one he didn't was his rookie year .... he looks pretty consistent to anyone not letting their own personal perceptions get in the way. I don't care what the stats say in the game logs. Unless you can tell me who he was guarding and who was/wasn't on the floor at his position, it's meaningless.

It really is just that simple. On any given season only 20-30 NBA players shoot 40% from 3 point range with enough shots to qualify for the leader board. Rush has done it 3 seasons in a row.

Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

Here lies the problem. You think your perception is more accurate than what happened.

When a guy shoots 40%+ from 3 point range, 3 out of 4 seasons, and the only one he didn't was his rookie year .... he looks pretty consistent to anyone not letting their own personal perceptions get in the way. I don't care what the stats say in the game logs. Unless you can tell me who he was guarding and who was/wasn't on the floor at his position, it's meaningless.

It really is just that simple. On any given season only 20-30 NBA players shoot 40% from 3 point range with enough shots to qualify for the leader board. Rush has done it 3 seasons in a row.

no, my perception is accurate, the problem is some disagree with it.

let me ask, was robert horry a 3pt threat, many would say yes. now was horry consistent.. maybe. i dont remember him being an excellent 3 pt shooter, but whne the game was on the line there are very few i would choose to shoot the game winner than him. either way he still was not consistent.. and by consistent i mean excellent.

because here is the thing.. consistency means more than just a good shooter. i can go out in my driveway and knock down 30 3's in a row.. does that make me a consistent shooter??? well it depends, can i hit shots when the D is in my face, can i hit 3's vs weak and strong opponents, can i hit when it matters most or just when the game is a blowout.

to be truly a good 3 pt shooter, a player has to be consistent. hitting wide open 3's does not make me a consistently good shooter, its when someone is gaurding me and it matters most its what makes somone consistent. its the reason ray allen at 36% is a better shooter than rush at 45%.

and just think about this.. the difference between 45 and 36% is 9 threes per every 100. if an nba player shoots 300 threes in a season and makes 21 3's more than a 33% shooter, it puts him in the 40% group. just 21 's threes difference correct??

so if those 21 3's are against a second unit or come in a blowout victory or because an elite player draws the defense and kicks it to the player for a wide open corner three.. than just 21 of those gets you to 40%.

point is.. rush's % does not make him a consistent 3% threat.. not like a ray allen player who the defense constantly focuses on. if allen got rush's looks, he would shoot over 50%.. whereas if rush had ray allen type focus of defenses than were looking at a 30% shooter at best for rush.

ray allen is a consistent 3% threat.. rush is no where near his level. is rush a good stand still 3pt shooter.. sure maybe.. but in no way is "consistent and threat" words i would use to describe rush's ability as a shooter.

again.. %'s are very decieving sometimes, and those extra 21-28 3's a season are not going to mislead me into believeing rush was ever a consistent 3 pt shooter.

theres a chance im wrong on this one.. but having watched rush play.. there were times when he would be on.. maybe 1 in 5 games.. but over the duration of an entire season.. no rush was not a consistent 3 pt shooter for the blue and gold.

if someone who knows how to embed a game log on here could supply one that would be fantastic.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

To even further layer on top, there is literally 0% chance that Rush willingly comes back to Indy. He wanted a change of scenery. He said it to me directly. His future here in Indy was as a part of the bench mob, and that destiny was cast for him via a combination of his behavior and JOB's. He wanted a fresh opportunity to create a new outcome for his career.

I wish him the best of luck in his future exploits, but for all concerned, it's best that he moved on. He clearly is a comparably great outside shooter, and good defender... there's a shot that he'll find the right match for his skills on some team during his time in the NBA.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

to be truly a good 3 pt shooter, a player has to be consistent. hitting wide open 3's does not make me a consistently good shooter

I want NO part of this argument..but if you read this part out loud, it truly does not make any sense. You don't think having the ability to hit wide open 3's makes a player a consistent 3pt shooter?

This may just be my opinion but not all great 3pt shooters have the ability to make a move, and pull up to hit a 3, nor do they need to have the ability to roam off various screens before they launch a J from 3.

Some players just drift into the corner and/or wing to provide spacing for other players to operate, and then are counted on to knock down open 3's due to the opportunities created by their teammates. They aren't less efficient fust because they are shooting 3's within a spot up situation.

In fact, one could argue that they are MORE efficient simply because they don't know how many opportunities they are going to get to shoot. When you're working off screens, you know if you're open, you're getting the ball. When you're working in an iso or pick and roll situation, you know when you're open, you can shoot the 3.

But when you're spotting up, you don't know whether or not you're man is going to leave you open nor do you know whether or not someone will pass you the ball. It takes a lot of concentration to stand in one place catch and shoot. If everyone could do it, everyone would be 40% 3-pt shooters. But the league average is closer to 33-35% for a reason.

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Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

...oh, and let's not forget Gerald Green who is at least as good and is also younger. So...we have Paul George, Danny Granger, George Hill, Lance Stephenson and Gerald Green playing on the wing...with Barbosa mopping up the garbage time. I think we'll be fine.

Honestly, I don't think Brush would get in the game if Lance Stephenson plays well on the second unit. There just wouldn't be any minutes.