Mexican Gangs.. have permanent bases in Arizona: Merged

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Mexican drug cartels have set up shop on American soil, maintaining lookout bases in strategic locations in the hills of southern Arizona from which their scouts can monitor every move made by law enforcement officials, federal agents tell Fox News.

The scouts are supplied by drivers who bring them food, water, batteries for radios -- all the items they need to stay in the wilderness for a long time.

“To say that this area is out of control is an understatement," said an agent who patrols the area and asked not to be named. "We (federal border agents), as well as the Pima County Sheriff Office and the Bureau of Land Management, can attest to that.”

Much of the drug traffic originates in the Menagers Dam area, the Vekol Valley, Stanfield and around the Tohono O’odham Indian Reservation. It even follows a natural gas pipeline that runs from Mexico into Arizona.

In these areas, which are south and west of Tucson, sources said there are “cartel scouts galore” watching the movements of federal, state and local law enforcement, from the border all the way up to Interstate 8.

“Every night we’re getting beaten like a pinata at a birthday party by drug, alien smugglers," a second federal agent told Fox News by e-mail. "The danger is out there, with all the weapons being found coming northbound…. someone needs to know about this!”

The agents blame part of their plight on new policies from Washington, claiming it has put a majority of the U.S. agents on the border itself. One agent compared it to a short-yardage defense in football, explaining that once the smugglers and drug-runners break through the front line, they're home free.

“We are unable to work any traffic, because they have us forward deployed," the agent said. "We are unable to work the traffic coming out of the mountains. That traffic usually carries weapons and dope, too, again always using stolen vehicles.”

The Department of Homeland Security denies it has ordered any major change in operations or any sort of change in forward deployment.

“The Department of Homeland Security has dedicated unprecedented manpower, technology and infrastructure resources to the Southwest border over the course of the past 16 months," DHS spokesman Matt Chandler said. "Deployment of CBP/Border Patrol and ICE personnel to various locations throughout the Southwest border is based on actionable intelligence and operational need, not which elected official can yell the loudest.”

While agents in the area agree that southwest Arizona has been a trouble spot for more than a decade, many believe Washington and politicians “who come here for one-day visit” aren’t seeing the big picture.

They say the area has never been controlled and has suddenly gotten worse, with the cartels maintaining a strong presence on U.S. soil. More than ever, agents on the front lines are wearing tactical gear, including helmets, to protect themselves.

“More than 4,000 of these agents are deployed in Arizona," Chandler says. "The strategy to secure our nation’s borders is based on a 'defense in depth' philosophy, including the use of interior checkpoints, like the one on FR 85 outside Ajo, to interdict threats attempting to move from the border into the interior of our nation.”

Without placing direct fault on anyone, multiple agents told Fox that the situation is more dangerous for them than ever now that the cartels have such a strong position on the American side of the border.

They say morale is down among many who patrol the desolate area, and they worry that the situation won't change until an agent gets killed.

And so, the cauldron keeps on bubbling and bubbling and bubbling... and the Fed's keep turning a blind eye and provide lip service! "Move along... Nothing to see here!"

All the border states have this problem. AZ is being highlighted because they put their foot down.

The AG is prepping a case to sue AZ for the immigration law they passed, and now Mexico (hadn't heard that one). We already have Mexican citizens suing the US and border states (and winning) because one of their family members died of exposure while trying to cross because "we" did not set up rest and water stations in the middle of the desert.

The term "Gangs" is a generalized statement, and should not be implied as a local organization. Of course this is all coming from FOX, who recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate.

Anchor babies - give the caught parents a choice since they have power of attorney over their kids. Either renounce their kids citizenship and take them with them back home during deportation, or remand them to the state child services system. Either way, the adults are leaving.

I said this in another thread. If AZ calls for volunteers for a militia to assist in securing the border, count me in. Then the Antis will find out about where the "Militias" are that they think the 2A only applies to...EVERYONE.

This whole situation is spiraling out of control. If this issue is not addressed soon, something is going to pop, and it will not end well for anyone.

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All the border states have this problem. AZ is being highlighted because they put their foot down.

The AG is prepping a case to sue AZ for the immigration law they passed, and now Mexico (hadn't heard that one). We already have Mexican citizens suing the US and border states (and winning) because one of their family members died of exposure while trying to cross because "we" did not set up rest and water stations in the middle of the desert.

The term "Gangs" is a generalized statement, and should not be implied as a local organization. Of course this is all coming from FOX, who recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate.

Anchor babies - give the caught parents a choice since they have power of attorney over their kids. Either renounce their kids citizenship and take them with them back home during deportation, or remand them to the state child services system. Either way, the adults are leaving.

I said this in another thread. If AZ calls for volunteers for a militia to assist in securing the border, count me in. Then the Antis will find out about where the "Militias" are that they think the 2A only applies to...EVERYONE.

This whole situation is spiraling out of control. If this issue is not addressed soon, something is going to pop, and it will not end well for anyone.

For Sticks, a question

Originally Posted by Sticks

All the border states have this problem. AZ is being highlighted because they put their foot down.

The AG is prepping a case to sue AZ for the immigration law they passed, and now Mexico (hadn't heard that one). We already have Mexican citizens suing the US and border states (and winning) because one of their family members died of exposure while trying to cross because "we" did not set up rest and water stations in the middle of the desert.

The term "Gangs" is a generalized statement, and should not be implied as a local organization. Of course this is all coming from FOX, who recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate.

Anchor babies - give the caught parents a choice since they have power of attorney over their kids. Either renounce their kids citizenship and take them with them back home during deportation, or remand them to the state child services system. Either way, the adults are leaving.

I said this in another thread. If AZ calls for volunteers for a militia to assist in securing the border, count me in. Then the Antis will find out about where the "Militias" are that they think the 2A only applies to...EVERYONE.

This whole situation is spiraling out of control. If this issue is not addressed soon, something is going to pop, and it will not end well for anyone.

You wrote, : "This whole situation is spiraling out of control."

How do we know that?

Do we believe FOX, which as you correctly pointed out, "recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate."

Or, do we believe Homeland Security Officials who were on TV C-SPAN yesterday pointing out dramatically fewer problems at the border this year than last, dramatically reduced arrest rates, and a host of additional improvements which do not amount to anything spiraling out of control? Besides fewer illegal crossings than in the past, they are deporting criminal aliens at a much faster pace than in the past, and in many cities with large undocumented populations the crime rates have dropped-- as they have in general across the country the last couple of years.

As for anchor babies, we do already make the parents leave and they always have the option of taking the baby with them or making arrangements. I don't think we need to set up a vastly expanded AND EXPENSIVE child services establishment to deal with the problem.

When we make policy decision based on both misinformation and hysteria, or we use misinformation for political gain, the results are not going to be good.

re: Sticks

Originally Posted by Sticks

All the border states have this problem. AZ is being highlighted because they put their foot down.

The AG is prepping a case to sue AZ for the immigration law they passed, and now Mexico (hadn't heard that one). We already have Mexican citizens suing the US and border states (and winning) because one of their family members died of exposure while trying to cross because "we" did not set up rest and water stations in the middle of the desert.

The term "Gangs" is a generalized statement, and should not be implied as a local organization. Of course this is all coming from FOX, who recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate.

Anchor babies - give the caught parents a choice since they have power of attorney over their kids. Either renounce their kids citizenship and take them with them back home during deportation, or remand them to the state child services system. Either way, the adults are leaving.

I said this in another thread. If AZ calls for volunteers for a militia to assist in securing the border, count me in. Then the Antis will find out about where the "Militias" are that they think the 2A only applies to...EVERYONE.

This whole situation is spiraling out of control. If this issue is not addressed soon, something is going to pop, and it will not end well for anyone.

You wrote, : "This whole situation is spiraling out of control."

How do we know that?

Do we believe FOX, which as you correctly pointed out, "recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate."

Or, do we believe Homeland Security Officials who were on TV C-SPAN yesterday pointing out dramatically fewer problems at the border this year than last, dramatically reduced arrest rates, and a host of additional improvements which do not amount to anything spiraling out of control? Besides fewer illegal crossings than in the past, they are deporting criminal aliens at a much faster pace than in the past, and in many cities with large undocumented populations the crime rates have dropped-- as they have in general across the country the last couple of years.

As for anchor babies, we do already make the parents leave and they always have the option of taking the baby with them or making arrangements. I don't think we need to set up a vastly expanded AND EXPENSIVE child services establishment to deal with the problem.

When we make policy decision based on both misinformation and hysteria, or we use misinformation for political gain, the results are not going to be good.

Do we believe FOX, which as you correctly pointed out, "recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate."

Or, do we believe Homeland Security Officials who were on TV C-SPAN yesterday pointing out dramatically fewer problems at the border this year than last, dramatically reduced arrest rates, and a host of additional improvements which do not amount to anything spiraling out of control? Besides fewer illegal crossings than in the past, they are deporting criminal aliens at a much faster pace than in the past, and in many cities with large undocumented populations the crime rates have dropped-- as they have in general across the country the last couple of years.

As for anchor babies, we do already make the parents leave and they always have the option of taking the baby with them or making arrangements. I don't think we need to set up a vastly expanded AND EXPENSIVE child services establishment to deal with the problem.

When we make policy decision based on both misinformation and hysteria, or we use misinformation for political gain, the results are not going to be good.

Hop ole buddy you certainly have problem with Fox. But irregardless of that what about what the people on the ground say. Dismiss what the talking heads at the networks say. Listen to the boots on the ground. They're not painting a pretty picture.

It comes down to who you choose to believe

Originally Posted by 21bubba

Hop ole buddy you certainly have problem with Fox. But irregardless of that what about what the people on the ground say. Dismiss what the talking heads at the networks say. Listen to the boots on the ground. They're not painting a pretty picture.

As I stated above, Homeland Security Officials were on C-Span yesterday and claimed that things have improved greatly during the last year.

The problem of course is that none of us know who to believe. Neither the word of FOX nor Homeland Security can be taken at face value.

In a different thread here it has been reported (accurately) that LEOs here have been threatened by drug lords located in Mexico following a seizure of weed.

As I stated above, Homeland Security Officials were on C-Span yesterday and claimed that things have improved greatly during the last year.

The problem of course is that none of us know who to believe. Neither the word of FOX nor Homeland Security can be taken at face value.

In a different thread here it has been reported (accurately) that LEOs here have been threatened by drug lords located in Mexico following a seizure of weed.

Someone tell me, how will deporting babies solve that problem?

Are our LEOs being threatened by babies?

You and I both know that the original post had nothing to do with babies. Don't try and take this where it was never intended.

This is the problem that you(Hopyard) seem to have on this whole border/ illegal alien situation. You want to play the humanity card, while others me included want the problem resolved and we're not too concerned about whatever it takes to accomplish it.

Don't misunderstand I don't want to kill babies, I just believe that what it's going to take to resolve these issues is not going to be pleasant.

Maybe there is just more attention being drawn to the whole immigration debate. But my hackles get raised when I see IAs on the news who are in this country illegally whining that they are not criminals...Umm, yes you are. Play by the rules, learn the local language or get out. Don't demand that we adopt your language, and support you. Your countries flag has no business being flown here.

Do we believe FOX, which as you correctly pointed out, "recently caused quite the uproar of stating that the US ceded a large chunk of AZ back to Mexico, and that an entire (state or national park - can't remember which) was closed to the public. Neither of which was remotely accurate."

Or, do we believe Homeland Security Officials who were on TV C-SPAN yesterday pointing out dramatically fewer problems at the border this year than last, dramatically reduced arrest rates, and a host of additional improvements which do not amount to anything spiraling out of control? Besides fewer illegal crossings than in the past, they are deporting criminal aliens at a much faster pace than in the past, and in many cities with large undocumented populations the crime rates have dropped-- as they have in general across the country the last couple of years.

As you stated in a later post - neither. I have a tendency to take the media, mega-corp-rats and Government statements with a grain of salt - talking heads saying what ever they have to, to keep the herd thinking and moving in the direction they want.

As for anchor babies, we do already make the parents leave and they always have the option of taking the baby with them or making arrangements. I don't think we need to set up a vastly expanded AND EXPENSIVE child services establishment to deal with the problem.

We are already paying for them in welfare, food stamps, medicare/aid, (soon social security that they have not paid into IIRC), not to mention prison room and board for the plethora of ones that engage in other criminal activities and get caught, and higher insurance rates . Wonder how many hit and runs, and stolen vehicles are IAs? Here in CO, a huge majority of the ones that make the news are IAs. By my count just paying for the kid is far cheaper for everyone, and if it creates more state level jobs for expanding the system...win-win. BTW - Colorado, especially Denver Metro is an amnesty state. Catch and release, no deportation unless they did something really bad - which usually means that they get housed in prison first then sent back south.

When we make policy decision based on both misinformation and hysteria, or we use misinformation for political gain, the results are not going to be good.

Huge rallies and protests (in the tens and hundreds of thousands) chuck full of mexican flags waving on US soil demanding all the benefits, rights and freedoms of a US citizen without becoming one, and a stop to deportation of the illegals that get caught?!? I think there is a serious problem here.

Border states with increased cross-over extreme violence, border agents doing their job getting hung out to dry because "A family member of the "Victim" gets their undies in a twist.

End of topic drift

Even if there is just one hill top with 2 lookouts being supplied, that is too much and needs to be dealt with.

If there is one square mile of US soil closed off or extremely unsafe and US citizens are warned to stay out because of IA activities, that is too much and needs to be dealt with.

If one US citizen/civilian living along the border (or anywhere in the country for that matter) is killed by an IA, that is too many and needs to be dealt with...with extreme prejudice.

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Another bunch of ...if it is know that "Mexican Cartel gangs have invaded US soil and our government does nothing," I have a question.

Where's sheriff Joe? Hiding? Aren't the local State Police and the local Sheriff's
the folks responsible for local gang control?

Ernie asked, " WTH is wrong with administration?" Nothing.
Or do you guys want DEA at BATF running the whole show?

Last I heard the control of gang activity is mostly a state responsibility. The control of illegal migration is a Federal responsibility.

SO, let those wonderful
LEOs who know about the local gang activity round the dudes up and turn them over for deportation after their sentence is fulfilled.

Let Border Patrol patrol the border.

Since it's not the 1930's, 40's or fifties anymore we can no longer shoot invaders.

It seems that the days of my father and grandfather are gone, and illegal aliens are now, sadly, seen as human beings with "rights". I only ask, where is my right to live peacefully without government intrusion and foriegn invaders?

The laws, and resulting systems, of this nation are broken and need to be fixed. Part of fixing them is to return to what some would consider a more draconian approach, IMO. The, for lack of better terminology, pantywads have prostituted our nation and need to be run out on a rail. Consideration and thoughtful pause is necessary, but there comes a time when that needs to cease and action is demanded. It is well past the time to act.

To put it bluntly, I view illegal aliens as enemy combatants, and think they should be treated as such. Sadly this is not the view of the vocal minority and laws remain in place to punish those that would act on such matters. Until the laws can be changed we as a nation are doomed to falling like Rome.

Hopyard

All I was trying to convey is that 21Bubba correctly stated that I don't support amnesty; but, neither do I support acts which would be inhumane.

Therein lies the crux of the problem.

What you would consider inhumane I consider a good start.

Hanging and disembowelment were the norm at one time. Sadly it is not the norm in this day and age. I bring this to light to point out one thing, one man's inhumanity is another man's compassion. Most would consider a bullet to the head as humane if compared to hangng and disembowlment.