Sunday’s lineups and a comparison to a staff that got 30 starts from Brett Tomko

The Giants starting pitchers, as mentioned in last night’s game story, have a 4.81 ERA. Anyone remember the last time a Giants staff had a mark like that at this point of the season?

Anyone remember the Lowry, Tomko, Schmidt, Hennessey Rueter group of 2005? That’s the last time the Giants staff had an ERA like this after 43 games. Young Matt Cain made seven starts that season; Jeff Fassero made six. Yikes. Brian Cooper made a start. Brian Cooper!

So yeah, this is weird territory we’re in. Luckily, Barry Zito has Stopper written all over him. Maybe. Zito has the second-lowest active ERA against the Rockies: 2.47. Only Chris Carpenter is better and he’s not really active.

Well, if Scoots and Buster need a day off, I like Craw batting second and Belt batting 5th. If Belt is going to be the future long-term 1B, these are the types of games he needs to come up big in.

fesnyc

that year really did suck…interesting reminder of Sabean’s pre-Valhalla days…

Matthew

Woj- when you write posts about players “producing”, it appears to me that your speaking about a portion of their game: hitting. Last thread you spoke of the non-“production” of Arias and, I think, Blanco. And you continued to berate the choice to demote Pill.

Now, I so,e what agree that it would be nice to find a spot for Pill, and the demotion had nothing to do with his offensive production.

But this team is built across all facets of the game. Even though we are struggling through a slump defensively, the core of several players attributes is lead boy their defensive contributions.

I understand your passion for certain players based on their hitting. That seems to ignore the full spectrum of their baseball talent, and seems shortsighted when analyzing their fit to this roster.

I am under moderation for using the word ” pa$$ion” and forgetting to use “$” instead of “s”.

the Runnitt Legacy is a pain in my arse.

picojim

the giants have passion.

stickman

Wondering if there happens to be an updated, high-tech system of sign stealing out there ~ like with high-resolution camera somewhere in center field and little ear-buds invisible and inaudible to all but the man at the plate with the bat in his hands. If you’re up there facing pitches coming in at somewhere around 90MPH, it sure would be nice to know what’s next.

Lefty

Armando Benitez…shudder…

But except for Tomko, that wasn’t such an awful rotation on paper. Reuter, Schmidt, and Lowry all had some good years for the Giants. I remember Hennessey being an OK #5, and “young Matt Cain” doesn’t sound bad, either. I guess that’s the point, though. They weren’t having a good year THEN. Just like our current guys have all won World Series games for the Giants in their time here…but this is now.

Mo P

Zito has the look of a stopper. He did what the team needed in 2012 against the Rockies.

But this is 2013. Barry Zito on the road is 0-2 with a 11.25 ERA with opponents hitting .426 off of him. This year.

Mo P

So the starters have been as bad as 2005… How did the Giants do in 2005?

ClutchUp

Send two emails or 15 explaining your pa$$ion for letting the web team and the mercs terms of service know things are out of control.

Ryan,
How many times over the last couple of seasons has a commenter said that very thing and the GIANTS ended up winning the game? Answer: many.
Go GIANTS!!!!

Richard in Winnipeg

I am hoping Z comes thru big today.
I could take no more of last nights game and left in the 4th.
I watched instead an old duster video with Henry Fonda and Tyrone Power as Frank and Jesse James.
A completely satisfying end to my evening.
I just cannot figure out Timmy, or has everyone in the National League figured him out.
I know it is early, buth this is reminding me when Woody started to lose it.
Fingers firmly crossed here.

ClutchUp

Yu Darvish lost the Japan verson of Cy Young in 2011 to Masahiro Tanaka who bested Yu. Yu was 18-6/1.44 era/0.828 (Matthew, I copied stats from Chron) :o/

Tanaka is 24 (looks 34) pitches agressively is is emotional “like an +swalt”
Not stoic like most Japan pitchers
Posting bid will be Ginormous.
96 mph FB
Splitter
Slider

Right up Foothills Ryans alley

As well as the Guggi group
Yanks and Rangers

Wild Bill

Here’s a play that came up in yesterday’s game.

Pablo Sandoval early in the game caught a ball down the third base line right near the stands. When he caught the ball he stuck out his glove to give the fan the ball, which she did by taking the ball out of Sandoval’s glove.

The rules state that a player when making a catch must take the ball out of his glove and show it to the umpire.

I wondered why the Rockies didn’t say anything about this.

I have seen other games where the catcher will stop a rolling ball with his mask and be penalized or countless other mundane rulings.

Oh well, nothing else to really do this morning while waiting for today’s game.

Ryan

Mike,

It’s my lucky trump card ! :–)

a little negativity works every time – a reverse curse.

Ryan

hummmanuhhummmannnuhhummmmmmm…..

Rockies 20, Giants 3

Head home.

ClutchUp

Maybe the ump was right there for the call and he saw ball in glove.

Was obviously the third out of the inning?

Obsessivegiantscompulsive

Do not diss Brian Cooper! Isn’t he a Giants pitching coach, or did he move on?

Why all the worry, this is a proven bunch of internally developed veterans and they are in the lead, worry when we are as behind as the Dodgers currently are. They had hiccups in 2010 and 2012, only mid season or late, let them play and get into gear.

Of course, it does not help when the media says the sky is falling, or is bipiolar in reporting on the Giants, up and down, one could get whiplash sometimes.

But as I have been saying for years now, the Giants are situated for great things, enjoy the ride instead of worrying about every little bump in the road. Appreciated the beauty and joy of this team and you will get more out of life.

Woj

Even Pill couldn’t help this trainwrech of a lineup and road Zito. 1-5 roadtrip coming up.

As bad as things are in the West Bay @ least these aren’t the Dodgers; or the Mariners. . .or the Pale Hose. . .or the Phillies. . .

So there’s that. . .

Bapah

Woj, why are you even here? You don’t like this team. You don’t understand baseball. AND the people here don’t seem to have a clue when compared to your insightful predictions. I’d plan your days around another activity.

Mike Souza

Woj,
I bet you were angry, bitter and disappointed that the GIANTS didn’t sleep the World Series in three games huh?

Mike Souza

#sweep#

Ryan

Clutch,

Billy Hamilton has a .286 OBP in AAA. That’s almost as bad as Gary Brown (.275).

A certain base was like this down the stretch in 2010 (2011) and 2012.

The length of the season provides enough lows and highs like a rollercoaster.

Jeff K use to tell Ralphie Barbie to “enjoy the game (of baseball) more…

ClutchUp

Ryan: those were Rickys quotes and it was baserunning specific as I’m sure you saw…

Mooooooooooose

So Mo, how is it that the hitters will not be able to make as many comebacks in the future as they have in the past (ie – regress to the mean) yet the pitching is what it is and will NOT regress to the mean (ie – pitch better).

Mooooooooooose

Obsessive @ 11:49, I like how you did that. Apparently I can only say those kinds of things by mocking others!

ClutchUp

Made me smile:
Pacers and their “Warrior-like fan” closing out Melo and the fraudulent Knicks.

Made me sad:
Seeing home town St Joes HS/CAL bears Jason Kidd go SCORELESS in the last 10 games, 0/17 with hardly any PT.

Woj, why are you even here? You don’t like this team. You don’t understand baseball. AND the people here don’t seem to have a clue when compared to your insightful predictions. I’d plan your days around another activity.

Don’t tell me who I do and don’t like. FYI – I’ve liked the Giants for 35+ years my man, sat at 45 degree Candlecrp weather in the $2.50 bleachers when tornados of hot dog wrappers were brewing out in CF and the Giants were winning ~75 games a season. Most bloggers like you are like employees of KNBR, you refuse to be critical even when warranted. How long have you been a Giants fan? 5 years? Do you even know where Candlestick Park is and that the Giants played there for decades?

BTW, I’ve read a lot of your posts but I found I rarely learn anything from them so I generally skip the rest. I don’t bother with fantasy leagues either so I only focus on my team – the 2010 and 2012 World Champs. You don’t like my posts from the land of real fine, but stop throwing our verbal bombs when you don’t know what you are talking about.

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