Car theft figures are way down - of course the Police and local councils etc are claiming the credit but it's down to modern cars with better alarms/immobilisers etc.

There is a place in Swansea known for joyriders dumping cars - the sort of things you see there are the much older cars - I even saw a Volvo 240 estate burnt out not long ago - talk about scraping the barrel - when did you last see one of those on the road???

As to search and rescue etc it all comes down to economics - I think that the £3,000,000 a year these things cost to run could save far more lives if spent elsewhere - get more bobbies on the beat etc etc.

Now the Police helicopter is being used to stop EVIL 4x4 drivers enjoying themselves and terrorising the countryside!!!

Ever been to sea in a Targa.....I woudn't. They roll like an absolute pig. The police have one here for the River Shannon and bring it round the coast for "Occassions". The Crews hate its sea keeping abilities. Also remember a cabin Redbay would cost a third of a Targa to buy and run .

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Craig C's 8.4 is an amazing boat, could have been designed for this application me thinks.

thanks ian, i also agree. to have a redbay 11m on loch lomond is ridiculous. i would like to meet the man who decided that an 11m would be needed for a 25mile stretch of water. an 8.4 exped would offer all cabin features but in a smaller package. one of my mates has a house and a boat on loch lomond and laughs about how they cant park a searider next to his pier.....how they going to get on with 11m and a deep vee

Ever been to sea in a Targa.....I woudn't. They roll like an absolute pig. The police have one here for the River Shannon and bring it round the coast for "Occassions". The Crews hate its sea keeping abilities.

I haven't been on a Targa (except at a boat show) - I thought they had a pretty good sea keeping reputation though?

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Also remember a cabin Redbay would cost a third of a Targa to buy

I could be completely wrong but off the top of my head I though a Targa 25 cost in the 80-90k ball park (with engines etc). Looking at the cost of second hand redbays there is noway a new one can be 1/3 of that - I would guess they are similar priced.

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and run .

Fuel will be the major running cost element. I don't know the spec of the boat they are buying, nor even if it will be diesel. If it is petrol then I think as it is inland water they can not reclaim the duty. If it is diesel I would be surprised if the fuel consumption would be significantly different between the two boats if they had similar engine set ups.

thanks ian, i also agree. to have a redbay 11m on loch lomond is ridiculous. i would like to meet the man who decided that an 11m would be needed for a 25mile stretch of water. an 8.4 exped would offer all cabin features but in a smaller package. one of my mates has a house and a boat on loch lomond and laughs about how they cant park a searider next to his pier.....how they going to get on with 11m and a deep vee

craig - do you know its an 11 m they are getting ? there is no detail in the newsletter. I would be surprised if it is significantly bigger than the 25 ft targa (rought 8-9m ish) as the jetty space they use is about that size.