Dear The Bunch

I watched your movie at the premiere in Burlington a few days ago, and while it was a good movie I have some constructive criticism I want to share. I like watching you guys ski, but I don't like watching your obnoxious editing style. It detracts from the overall quality of your movie because people are there to watch skiing not simulate an acid trip and it is hard to watch when the editing is so distracting. Not trying to hate just saying sometimes less is more.

Dear chadsgape,
glad to hear that. kindly, no one cares when you criticize something artistic especially something made by a crew that is notorious for giving no shits. fuck your criticism.
sincerely,
everyone else

brov1Dear chadsgape,
glad to hear that. kindly, no one cares when you criticize something artistic especially something made by a crew that is notorious for giving no shits. fuck your criticism.
sincerely,
everyone else

Criticize something artistic? Are you retarded thats the point of art.

Also, you say they give no shits but I can guarantee they will give a shit when no one goes to their movie next year and they don't make money from their venues. This wasn't just my opinion, other people that I was with said the same thing. They are obviously going for that "edgy" vibe and trying to be trippy, but they took it too far and it wasn't enjoyable.
Yes, I have done acid I understand it doesn't make you trip like that at all but you get what I mean.

chadsgapeThis wasn't just my opinion, other people that I was with said the same thing. They are obviously going for that "edgy" vibe and trying to be trippy, but they took it too far and it wasn't enjoyable.

Even though I'm going to get hate for giving my opinion, I actually agree with you. I'm all for people being different and creative but I don't think that this was a good way to go about it at all.

And even if I didn't agree with OP I wouldn't be as harsh on him as some of you guys are being. It's an opinion, y'all need to chill out.

How does someone edit a video "obnoxiuosly". As with skiing, everyone has their own style. Some like to use very clean and cut shots and others like to experiment with more unique types of shots. I watch ski movies for the skiing, not the editing.

The Bunch edits their movies the same way they ski, differently. They are trying to be creative, and reflect their lifestyle and journeys in skiing, while also trying something that isn't the same old shot by shot ski edit. If your not a fan of what they do, go watch the 10,000 other ski videos on Newschoolers, and i bet you'll get your fix of clean cut, shot by shot, ski videos. The Bunch aint for everyone, but i sure respect what they are trying to do

chadsgapeCriticize something artistic? Are you retarded thats the point of art.

Also, you say they give no shits but I can guarantee they will give a shit when no one goes to their movie next year and they don't make money from their venues. This wasn't just my opinion, other people that I was with said the same thing. They are obviously going for that "edgy" vibe and trying to be trippy, but they took it too far and it wasn't enjoyable.
Yes, I have done acid I understand it doesn't make you trip like that at all but you get what I mean.

I like that fact that based on your own completely subjective opinion, you seem to have already concluded that the Bunch will fail down the line. I guess you just ignore the fact that they are insanely popular right now. Yes, they get a lot of hate, but they sure as hell also get a lotta love!

Long story short, based on their previous films and the general hype surrounding them, we can conclude that your opinion is out of sync with a fairly large percentage of the ski community.

JibberinoI like that fact that based on your own completely subjective opinion, you seem to have already concluded that the Bunch will fail down the line. I guess you just ignore the fact that they are insanely popular right now. Yes, they get a lot of hate, but they sure as hell also get a lotta love!

Long story short, based on their previous films and the general hype surrounding them, we can conclude that your opinion is out of sync with a fairly large percentage of the ski community.

It's pretty funny how an unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population, but then that same population has a popular negative opinion about say Goepper and his skiing style and it's perceived as correct and acceptable to believe. You guys are so silly.

eheathIt's pretty funny how an unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population, but then that same population has a popular negative opinion about say Goepper and his skiing style and it's perceived as correct and acceptable to believe. You guys are so silly.

What I posted wasn't an opinion or generalization, it was a comparison based on a unique situation. IE People express a negative opinion about something that the general population likes (the bunch, proven by this thread and the comments being made) and they get shit on. And inversely someone posts a negative opinion about something the general public dislikes (goeppers style, speaking to a unique event like a thread after xgames, etc) and they get praised.

Its actually bullshit, but thats how NS usually works when it comes to opinions, you're either right or wrong.

eheathIt's pretty funny how an unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population, but then that same population has a popular negative opinion about say Goepper and his skiing style and it's perceived as correct and acceptable to believe. You guys are so silly.

What I posted wasn't an opinion or generalization, it was a comparison based on a unique situation. IE People express a negative opinion about something that the general population likes (the bunch, proven by this thread and the comments being made) and they get shit on. And inversely someone posts a negative opinion about something the general public dislikes (goeppers style, speaking to a unique event like a thread after xgames, etc) and they get praised.

Its actually bullshit, but thats how NS usually works when it comes to opinions, you're either right or wrong.

I agree it's bs but I don't think it's the case here. I bet if there was an anti-goepper thread i doubt the op would be praised, he'd probably get shit for being close minded

I wouldn't say op in this thread was getting shit on either, just people disagreeing with his opinion

Someone give Goepper a proper baggy hoodie and pants, have him lay down both way nollie lip 2 pretz 2 on a handrail, film on a fisheye vx, then we shall see who splooges.... But on a more serious note:

Comp skiers are really good at what they do and have a stupid amount of skill.
The bunch are really good at what they do and have a stupid amount of skill.

Goepper is an absolute god at laying down a slope run. The bunch are gods at whatever the words to describe what they do are. I hate hearing people say that the bunch is better than Goepper, or Goepper is better than the bunch. People need to stop comparing pro skiers like teenage girls compare hot boys in high school. Everyone has their own way of approaching skiing and there is no way to judge who is better except based on an opinion which most don't give two shits about.

Personally "winning" at skiing just feels weird for a sport that is recreational for the most part. Sure I don't like watching Goepper ski if I have a choice, but I'm not going to go running around saying Goepper sucks. The dude has both way triple 14s. That is straight up fucked and takes a hell of a lot of work.

Same goes with the bunch, some things in their videos really aren't as gnarly or look like they take as much skill as they really are or do. I don't like seeing small stuff in their videos but nonetheless they are innovative as fuck and definitely put out some great content, also their taste in music is absolutely on point. All of that together is the result of years of dedication to skiing and being fly individuals.

Tldr: stop comparing pro skiers on an objective scale, there is no such scale.

eheathIt's pretty funny how an unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population, but then that same population has a popular negative opinion about say Goepper and his skiing style and it's perceived as correct and acceptable to believe. You guys are so silly.

Yeah I totally get what you mean, the first post is made and that sets the tone for the rest of the thread.

eheathan unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population,

The karma/(post score) system discourages honest discussion because it sets up a repercussion for posting anything that ns doesnt totally agree with, aka hivemind. Its not at all how NS works, its how the karma system works.

But really the bunch wont care if people dont like the editing or the movie. The bunch is completely opposite to the mass appeal skiing scene. Everything they do just separates them further from profitable/popular skiing, which is why NSers like them and hype over their creativity. The bunch wont give 2 shits if people dont like it. As someone above said, its an expression of their own skiing, not anyone elses. Its often the artists who dont conform that are remembered best. Look at B&E muddy winter.

eheathIt's pretty funny how an unpopular negative opinion is inherently bad and wrong to the general population, but then that same population has a popular negative opinion about say Goepper and his skiing style and it's perceived as correct and acceptable to believe. You guys are so silly.

Actually, I was commenting on the fact that he was of the belief that the Bunch would "fail" (whatever that means) because of the editing style. So he's not only giving his opinion, but passing judgment that actually goes against what we know about the Bunch's popularity.

chadsgapeYeah I totally get what you mean, the first post is made and that sets the tone for the rest of the thread.

You cant praise the bunch just on the basis that they're doing something different from the masses and then trash on kids for having opinions that are different than the majority of people's on newschoolers.

Back when everyone had a boner for afterbang, clean style, big spins, and precise editing styles, the bunch were looking somewhere else at what to do next. Now that 90% of NS loves the bunch unconditionally, I can guarantee that these kids who are pushing back on popular opinion will be the innovators just like the bunch were. In order to do what is next you can never be content, or comply with the current status quo, which, as much as you guys love them, is the bunch.

TheDropYou cant praise the bunch just on the basis that they're doing something different from the masses and then trash on kids for having opinions that are different than the majority of people's on newschoolers.

Back when everyone had a boner for afterbang, clean style, big spins, and precise editing styles, the bunch were looking somewhere else at what to do next. Now that 90% of NS loves the bunch unconditionally, I can guarantee that these kids who are pushing back on popular opinion will be the innovators just like the bunch were. In order to do what is next you can never be content, or comply with the current status quo, which, as much as you guys love them, is the bunch.

TheDropYou cant praise the bunch just on the basis that they're doing something different from the masses and then trash on kids for having opinions that are different than the majority of people's on newschoolers.

Back when everyone had a boner for afterbang, clean style, big spins, and precise editing styles, the bunch were looking somewhere else at what to do next. Now that 90% of NS loves the bunch unconditionally, I can guarantee that these kids who are pushing back on popular opinion will be the innovators just like the bunch were. In order to do what is next you can never be content, or comply with the current status quo, which, as much as you guys love them, is the bunch.

TheDropSkiing? No. Newschoolers popular opinion? Definitely.
In terms of positive opinions i'd say the bunch is leading the site right now.

I think this is the key right here, the disconnect between NS and your average skier is pretty big so what is new and influential to them is old news to NS and everyone just gets confused

On here we take Travelling Circus and The Weak for granted now but a couple years ago Travelling circus were changing how people on NS look at skiing, and there was lots of backlash when Ian Compton started to put more value into creating art with his edits instead of just skiing.

Basically there's always gonna be something new and some people won't like it and more people won't like them not liking it. This thread has gone so deep were not liking the people not liking them for not liking it (if that makes any sense)

Everyone's entitled to their opinions blah blah blah but why all of the sudden are we super critical of skiers/skiing/edits now? So many people pick apart movies and edits as if they're critics for the New York Times or something, not that you aren't allowed to do so. Too much complaining over stuff now, it seems you're all way too jaded.

DeebieSkeebiesEveryone's entitled to their opinions blah blah blah but why all of the sudden are we super critical of skiers/skiing/edits now? So many people pick apart movies and edits as if they're critics for the New York Times or something, not that you aren't allowed to do so. Too much complaining over stuff now, it seems you're all way too jaded.

DeebieSkeebiesEveryone's entitled to their opinions blah blah blah but why all of the sudden are we super critical of skiers/skiing/edits now? So many people pick apart movies and edits as if they're critics for the New York Times or something, not that you aren't allowed to do so. Too much complaining over stuff now, it seems you're all way too jaded.

The only reason I even felt like sharing this was because no one that I was with thought the film was very good and I felt that the bunch should know why. Wasn't trying to hate on them or be over-critical if you saw the film you would see what I mean.