Scottemojo wrote:Anyone else getting the vibe Hernandez was part of or running a little side business maybe tied to his gang roots? I just can't figure out why else he would do what he did the way he did.

I am now... On video saying he doesn't know who he can trust now. Then rolling with an armed entourage to kill one man. And the victim telling his girlfriend he's with 'NFL.... Just saying.....'

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Scottie, I just can't imagine he'd be so stupid to do what he did, AND how he did it just because some supposed "problem" with the guy. It almost has to be something more. But.....don't underestimate the idiocy of some of these asshats either.

They're saying he did it because the victim, was talking to some people at a club that Hernandez didn't particularly like. This whole thing is sounding juvenile as hell, you are a multimillionaire, living the dream, playing a game that you more than likely love, how do you keep these kinds of people are around you? How do you put yourself in a situation to possibly even be affiliated with them in more ways than just a friendship?

I don't think I'll ever understand that line of thinking, once you get out why would you look back???

samwize77 wrote:Scottie, I just can't imagine he'd be so stupid to do what he did, AND how he did it just because some supposed "problem" with the guy. It almost has to be something more. But.....don't underestimate the idiocy of some of these asshats either.

Well in Vick's case- I believe it was guys he grew up with that wanted help financing the operation. Also very poor judgement skills are involved.

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H4WKSF4N wrote:Something doesn't add up; anyone with a brain wouldn't plant a dead body a mile from their house in a rental car in their name.

Sounds like more of an escalating lifestyle that he's gotten used to. Heard he had another gun incident as a teen. Multiple drug incidents. The shooting this past February, etc. He probably feels invincible and thinks he's above the law since he didn't really face any repercussions from those incidents.

My neighbor thinks i'm stupid because I built a shed instead of buying a pre-fab. I think I need to ventilate him...excuse me I'll be right back.....................................gee golly...I hope I don't loose my job over what I just did......and I hope the detectives don't search my computer and see what I just wrote...and I hope they don't find the shotgun I just used....and I hope they don't look at the video on my home security system. You guys won't say anything will you?

H4WKSF4N wrote:Something doesn't add up; anyone with a brain wouldn't plant a dead body a mile from their house in a rental car in their name.

Most murderers are that dumb and leave a trail of evidence a blind man could follow. The clever killers who require brilliant detective work to uncover are mostly found on TV shows and are the exception rather than the norm in real life.

OJ Simpson literally left a trail of blood from the crime scene, to his car, and upstairs right into his bedroom. He was smart enough and rich enough, though, to hire expensive lawyers who could nullify the jury by cynically putting the LAPD on trial instead.

Throwdown wrote:They're saying he did it because the victim, was talking to some people at a club that Hernandez didn't particularly like. This whole thing is sounding juvenile as hell, you are a multimillionaire, living the dream, playing a game that you more than likely love, how do you keep these kinds of people are around you? How do you put yourself in a situation to possibly even be affiliated with them in more ways than just a friendship?

I don't think I'll ever understand that line of thinking, once you get out why would you look back???

What it sounded like to me is that Hernandez may have been doing what the ex-Cowboy was doing in Chicago. The whole walking through the crib with his handgun talking about not being able to trust anyone moments after the killing makes me think this was more than just you speaking with folks I have beef with. Some media types from his neck of the woods are claiming Hernandez had recruited some folks from his old crew to come take care of Lloyd. Innocent until proven guilty but there are a lot of moving parts that makes no sense.

$40M, do you really need to keep hustling and beefing with folks? Get rid of the old crew and just accept being a square. Street cred isn't worth the mythical paper it is written on.

samwize77 wrote:My neighbor thinks i'm stupid because I built a shed instead of buying a pre-fab. I think I need to ventilate him...excuse me I'll be right back.....................................gee golly...I hope I don't loose my job over what I just did......and I hope the detectives don't search my computer and see what I just wrote...and I hope they don't find the shotgun I just used....and I hope they don't look at the video on my home security system. You guys won't say anything will you?

After days of secrecy in the closely watched investigation, the prosecutor's comments in court provided the first detailed account of Lloyd's killing and the evidence detectives have uncovered.A jogger found Lloyd's body, riddled with gunshot wounds, in a secluded area of an industrial park near Hernandez's house June 17, McCauley said.Investigators later found five shell casings at the scene. Inside his pocket, McCauley said, they found a wallet and keys to a car that Hernandez had rented.Around 2:30 a.m. that same day, the prosecutor said, Lloyd was last seen leaving his Boston home with Hernandez in a silver Nissan Altima.Less than an hour later, surveillance cameras at the North Attleborough industrial park showed the vehicle heading toward the remote area where Lloyd's body was later found, McCauley said."The car goes down there at 3:22," McCauley said. "Four minutes later, the car is visible again. During the interval between 3:23 and 3:27, people who were working the overnight shift hear gunshots."Minutes later, surveillance video from Hernandez's home security system shows the former NFL player arriving back at his house with two other people, according to the district attorney. Hernandez appears to be holding a firearm, McCauley said."The defendant goes walking through the house with the gun in his hand. That is captured in the video. ... And they all go down to the basement," McCauley said. "Once in the basement, the surveillance gets shut off."McCauley said the gun Hernandez was carrying in the surveillance video has not been found.

The car was not found next to the body. Hernandez returned the car to the rental company, and exchanged it for another. The original rental car, when being inspected, was found to have a mirror broken off. Hernandez said he didn't know how that happened.

Then, during cleaning of the rental, a shell casing and the gum was found underneath the driver's seat. The employee threw both away, and after being interviewed, cops retrieved both pieces of evidence from the dumpster.

Man what a tool. All I can think of is Dave Chappelle's " keeping it real" skits. If he didn't pull the trigger, hell, if he was just there he deserves what he is now going to experience. I have been around this animalistic reality and the guys that follow it are just that, animals. Below human in my opinion. To bad it didn't happen in a death penalty state. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Ray Lewis out of his ass and walk then become a preacher and portray himself as a role model to kids. Weak minded, no morals.. man, this kind of stuff pisses me off.

Before someone gets on the soapbox, the facts are the facts. Even if one of his buddies did the dirty work he was still there. How many of you guys have close buddies that would do what was done to the deceased for what has been mentioned as motive? What would the motive have to be for you to defend your buddies? My 21 year old nephew just came back from Afghanistan, did a year and a half on the ground in the Army, knocking on doors and interacting with the citizens. He reassured me that humans are still humans Saturday when I hung out with him again. People like this do not deserve to ever be a part of society.

drdiags wrote:the whole walking through the crib with his handgun talking about not being able to trust anyone moments after the killing .

I thought that happened before the man was killed. That makes a difference right?

I could be mistaken since I was half-ass listening to the radio when the story was being relayed. Makes more sense that this was before the murder. Does go toward his state of mind prior to the murder if the prosecution can show he was in a high state of agitation toward the victim.

I just wanted to give props to Calihawk1, who gave me reason to pause when I was heading down Conspiracy Lane in the other thread. Cali said the cops were getting their case airtight before moving in and it looks like he called it. If this bizarre situation played out the way it appears to have, then today is a good day for justice.

TwilightError wrote:I read somewhere that Hernandez has been a gang member since he was 14 years. Which gang was that? In a place like Bristol CT?

I don't know if what you read is true or not, but he does have the word "blood" tattooed on one of his hands. I'm not to sure if there is any gang affiliation associated with that tattoo, but you can take it for what it is.

There are some places in CT where gangs run rampant, I forgot the city, I believe it was Hartford had a huge Latin King base in the 90's. So it isn't far fetched that there's other gang activity in the state.

One thing I'm not gonna do is write this guy off on any possibility for his personal life, we look like we're just scratching the surface on what might be just a straight up bad dude.

here's another article about it.. I read he has affiliations to the Blood Gang, which the word is tattooed on his wrist..

the old saying holds true, you can take the kid out of the streets, but you can't take the streets out of the kid... Sad Story..

hopefully this will have an effect on more of the young guys coming into professional sports, make them realize regardless who they are, they'll be held accountable for their actions. Horrible for the victims family, and his fiance and unborn child... what a waste.