I'm a little confused. You are saying that the healers had to spam heals on the DK, when they actually healed him for LESS damage than they had to heal the druid for.

AND as the DK gains better gear, his damage intake is going to be less. There is at least a 10ilvl difference between the bear and the Dk, and the DK is healing/preventing far and a away more of his own damage.

Death Strike Healing (not absorb) alone was worth 80% of what the Druid healed for. Taking away the BLood Shield, and looking at just the "active, controllable healing" that the DK used

Here, the interesting twist is in the african-american community, where kids are named with seemingly at time random strings of characters. Shandrakeela, Letikasha, etc. Oddly, it only seems to happen with girl's names.

While being creative is nice, giving a kid a name that immediately paints her as a member of a certain social demographic just perpetuates the cycle.

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Here, the interesting twist is in the african-american community, where kids are named with seemingly at time random strings of characters. Shandrakeela, Letikasha, etc. Oddly, it only seems to happen with girl's names.

While being creative is nice, giving a kid a name that immediately paints her as a member of a certain social demographic just perpetuates the cycle.

Shoju, one thing to notice in that log is that the DK took almost twice the overhealing as the druid. It's hard to say if that's because of healer insecurity with the DK's health or just difference between the healers focusing on the two tanks, though.

Zalaria wrote:Shoju, one thing to notice in that log is that the DK took almost twice the overhealing as the druid. It's hard to say if that's because of healer insecurity with the DK's health or just difference between the healers focusing on the two tanks, though.

I would venture to guess that it was one of the healers being

1.) inexperienced with a new class (monk) 2.) probably not as experienced at DK healing.

The Paladin Healer, was my healing partner through most of my Cata experiences as a DK. He should be well versed in the "yo yo" that it DK tank health.

Another cause for the overhealing could have been the obvious undergeared nature of the DK, and not wanting him to splat, so pump him up.

Even with that considered, I think it is interesting in the damage taken levels vs self healing. I will admit, I'm not completely up on the active mitigation model of druids (obviously), but looking at the amount of healing done, I am pretty impressed with the way the logs look for DK Self Healing.

I would assume as the Monk healer gets more comfortable with the class, and with the DK, the overheal should start to fall off. Looking at the overheal numbers, the monk seemed to be overhealing with almost everything that they hit him with.

The paladin overhealed as well, but it didn't seem to be as consistently done as the monk. I'd chalk that up to second guild raid as a monk, and a "newness" of the healer. (They joined the guild after I was gone)

I LOVE the QQ over the Brawlers guild in the forums, especially the fact that the first invites will be sold on the BMAH, and then those people can invite others. If I was richer, I'd buy them all out and control it for a while.

I really like what they are doing with it sofar, just wish there was a way for a goblin to sponsor a team of fighters.

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Shoju wrote:I'm a little confused. You are saying that the healers had to spam heals on the DK, when they actually healed him for LESS damage than they had to heal the druid for.

Note, I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it is certainly my experience with DKs and Druids and is how they have worked in the raids I've done with them, take from it what you will.

When you take damage and in what amounts is almost always far more important than how much you take overall. A tank who takes a few, large spikes is far far harder to heal than one who takes lots of smaller, moderate amounts of damage even if the second tank takes more overall damage. The healers may well have done less total healing on the DK, but when they do have to heal him it's not a moderate amount it's "AMG HE GUNNA DIE!" and they're required to spam their expensive, high health heals. With the Druid a constant, predictable damage intake results in healers being able to cast cheaper, longer cast time heals since they never see his health spike as dangerously as the DKs.

It's the reason that Paladins and to an extent warriors, have often been preferred in non gimmick fights, despite the fact that overall we take the most damage, thanks to shield block that damage intake is moderate and predictable, with the best damage spike smoothing.

The fact the DK has vastly more overhealing done to him could certainly been seen to support this, he has periods of high health when everything overheals and then periods of healers spamming to deal with damage spikes, which again will often results in massive overheals as healers struggle to deal with unexpected low health. It could of course be simply what you suggested, an inexperienced healer, but DKs are known for and I've certainly seen it myself, having yo-yo health even with good healers and this is almost always going to result in higher overhealing on one.

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Zalaria wrote:Shoju, one thing to notice in that log is that the DK took almost twice the overhealing as the druid. It's hard to say if that's because of healer insecurity with the DK's health or just difference between the healers focusing on the two tanks, though.

I would venture to guess that it was one of the healers being

1.) inexperienced with a new class (monk) 2.) probably not as experienced at DK healing.

The Paladin Healer, was my healing partner through most of my Cata experiences as a DK. He should be well versed in the "yo yo" that it DK tank health.

Another cause for the overhealing could have been the obvious undergeared nature of the DK, and not wanting him to splat, so pump him up.

Even with that considered, I think it is interesting in the damage taken levels vs self healing. I will admit, I'm not completely up on the active mitigation model of druids (obviously), but looking at the amount of healing done, I am pretty impressed with the way the logs look for DK Self Healing.

I would assume as the Monk healer gets more comfortable with the class, and with the DK, the overheal should start to fall off. Looking at the overheal numbers, the monk seemed to be overhealing with almost everything that they hit him with.

The paladin overhealed as well, but it didn't seem to be as consistently done as the monk. I'd chalk that up to second guild raid as a monk, and a "newness" of the healer. (They joined the guild after I was gone)

the monk was actually in her first raid as a monk, as she had missed last weekand through out the raid, she was getting used to what abilities she had and didnt have and what mechanics to use when

the dk is VERY undergeared, as well as being a newer raiding dk tank (has played a dk as blood for at least 1 xpack, just not as a raider)

ill admit his health was very yo-yo-ish and at times i feared for his lifei think when he gets more gear and the healers get more used to him tanking, the spikiness will smooth out a bit and less over healing will happen

i was really surprised by the amount of self heals going out as well

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This guy thought it'd be cute to try and chew me out for being terrible at ret when the entire group had blasted him for taking fuckloads of damage and wiping the group twice.

It's funny because as he was bitching at me for being a fail ret I was slapping down an easy 65k on the final boss in Halls after completely fumbling my cooldown stacking and hitting my Avenger/Wrath/Trinket macro before I hit GAnK. Cute.

bldavis wrote:ill admit his health was very yo-yo-ish and at times i feared for his lifei think when he gets more gear and the healers get more used to him tanking, the spikiness will smooth out a bit and less over healing will happen

I was really surprised by the amount of self heals going out as well

Back in mid-LK I had an interesting experience in that I got to heal on my druid a friend who was Gearing 2 tanks at the same time.

We were doing 80 Heroics, and my resto druid had mostly i232 badge gear, so decently geared for Heroics at the time.My Frind had 2 tanks, a Warrior and a DK. Both these tanks had *almost* identical gear, and could be considered undergeared/just acceptable for Heroics - Being new it was predominantly crafted blues and 1 or 2 purchaced Epix.And we got to run the same random heroic with both tanks on the same day. (H-Drak Keep)

While I can no longer recall their exact health pools (20 and 27k maybe?) I do remember how much less stressful it was keeping the undergeared Warrior alive compared to the undergeared DK.

On any pull the Warrior seemed to take very little dmg to begin with, then the intake would ramp up to a steady amount - by that time I had the HoT's rolling and very few direct heals were required.The DK though was very stressful, sometimes She was taking a fraction of the warriors damage, other times I was madly spamming the big fast heals and letting lifebloom bloom to keep her up. Random damage by its nature is stressfully unpredictable.

I could see then exactly why Healers like warrior/paladins.

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I know we are trying to keep the politics in it's own thread, but this was a legitimate amusement. Fox News last night, from the moment that NBC called the election in favor of OBama on. It was.... pure comedy gold. Oh man.. If only you could give them an emmy for comedy based on that news hour.

Shoju wrote:I know we are trying to keep the politics in it's own thread, but this was a legitimate amusement. Fox News last night, from the moment that NBC called the election in favor of OBama on. It was.... pure comedy gold. Oh man.. If only you could give them an emmy for comedy based on that news hour.

I swear I thought they were going to revert to barbarism and start eating each other in their anger and terror it was... a sight to behold.

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Shoju wrote:I know we are trying to keep the politics in it's own thread, but this was a legitimate amusement. Fox News last night, from the moment that NBC called the election in favor of OBama on. It was.... pure comedy gold. Oh man.. If only you could give them an emmy for comedy based on that news hour.

I swear I thought they were going to revert to barbarism and start eating each other in their anger and terror it was... a sight to behold.

I was cruising through twitter, and a couple people mentioned it, so I turned it on, and OH MY GOODNESS. Fair and Balanced? Lulz.

dam...i was watching cbs and abc until they claimed obama had won (way before most battleground states were above 30% reporting and before alaska had closed polls) when my mom got fed up and decided it was time to watch something else

ah the joys of only 1 tv

so i watched online...and i guess missed the great fox freakout

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Shoju wrote:I know we are trying to keep the politics in it's own thread, but this was a legitimate amusement. Fox News last night, from the moment that NBC called the election in favor of OBama on. It was.... pure comedy gold. Oh man.. If only you could give them an emmy for comedy based on that news hour.

I swear I thought they were going to revert to barbarism and start eating each other in their anger and terror it was... a sight to behold.

I was cruising through twitter, and a couple people mentioned it, so I turned it on, and OH MY GOODNESS. Fair and Balanced? Lulz.

Meh, the fawning of some of the other side over Obama, while not as extreme, is just as one-sided. Saw one of the sideline reporters that I though was gonna orgasm when she was talking about the Obama win.

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Sagara wrote:I am now both amused and afraid of our driver's licence system.

I called my driving school because I had an appointment for my first hands-on lesson and I wouldn't be able to pass my theory before that. Little did I know you are not required to SUCCEED at the theory to get hands-on lesson.

You don't even need to *FOLLOW* theory before your hands-on lessons. I.e. they could put you behind a wheel without you having ever touched or read about a car. I won't ever look at drive school cars the same again...

Aaah... getting behind the wheel in Belgium... Still amazed at how you can get in a car while shitfaced drunk and high on whatever suits your fancy, go speeding like you're on a F1 track, in the process kill somebody (or even more than one), and only get 1 year provisional prison time, and a 3 month revoking of your driver's permit, if it's your first offense... yh, that'll teach 'em

valura wrote:Aaah... getting behind the wheel in Belgium... Still amazed at how you can get in a car while shitfaced drunk and high on whatever suits your fancy, go speeding like you're on a F1 track, in the process kill somebody (or even more than one), and only get 1 year provisional prison time, and a 3 month revoking of your driver's permit, if it's your first offense... yh, that'll teach 'em

Seriously? o_O I never did follow that kind of news, but come ON!

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