Americans support Israel and the press hates it

posted at 3:21 pm on August 4, 2014 by Noah Rothman

One gets the impression that America’s broad support for Israel’s mission in Gaza over that of Hamas militants, support reflected in policy in Washington, is evolving into an obsession for members of the press. In fact, it seems that the more stubbornly Americans cling to their support for their country’s democratic ally in the Middle East, the more frenetic and scolding the media’s tone has become while covering the conflict.

Over a month into the current crisis, a NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll found that a significant plurality continue to sympathize with Israel over Palestinians. 43 percent of Americans said they back Israel compared to just 14 percent who claim to support Palestinians generally. This is, however, misleading as Israel’s current conflict is not with the Palestinian Authority but with Hamas – the ruling faction in Gaza. Unsurprisingly, Americans are even less friendly toward this group which the U.S. State Department lists as a terrorist organization. Only 7 percent of Americans told NBC/WSJ pollsters that they back Hamas while 54 percent support Israel.

America’s sentiments are not unfounded or chauvinistic display of support for a historic ally. In spite of being lectured endlessly by the American government to expend even more energy in order to limit civilian casualties in Gaza, Israel’s rules of engagement are far more self-limiting and crippling than any to which the U.S. would agree to abide by.

Front Page Magazine quotes a report which summarizes the extensive lengths to which the Israeli Defense Forces go in order to limit civilian casualties, often resulting in decreased operational capacity and IDF casualties.

Testimony that is reaching us from fighter pilots who provide close air assistance to the combat soldiers who are currently fighting in the field,” Channel 2′s military correspondent Nir Dvori reported, “about growing frustration over the fact that they hear the forces below them on the ground asking for cover and close air support when they see the terrorists drawing near from short range, firing at them, and there is no approval, because of various limitations, so as not to hit innocent civilians, and out of concern not to hit uninvolved people, and for this reason they cannot always give covering fire, cannot always fire, and so the frustration is that to some extent, they are leaving the fighters on their own to fight on the ground…”

Ynet’s veteran defense analyst Ron Ben Yishai reported that one of the reasons that Hamas was prepared to face Israeli ground troops in the Shejaiya neighborhood, where IDF suffered 13 killed in one day of fighting, is that the residents were given ample advance notice of the IDF’s intent to enter the neighborhood.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz took pride in the fact that the IDF takes such care to notify residents of its attack plans. “We cannot agree for Hamas to place civilians in our path,” he said earlier this week. “So what we have done is to warn the civilians over and over again to evacuate. There are no armies like this, which drop leaflets, call on the phone, bomb next to the target or carry out a ‘knock on the roof,’ and even disperse the residents with smoke.

The press has been broadcasting all of this. Anyone who has watched an evening news report in the last month has likely seen the “knock on the roof” warning strikes and the leafleting which occurs before a surgical Israeli munition levels a single structure while leaving the surrounding buildings standing.

Occasionally, a few Americans will see a familiar face – like Hamas spokesman Osama Hamdan who recently appeared on CNN with anchor Don Lemon in support of the terror group ruling Gaza – saying things in Arabic which Americans recognize as barbaric anti-Semitism.

Take, for example, this clip of Hamdan appearing on the Lebanon-based al-Quds television network last week. “We all remember how the Jews used to slaughter Christians, in order to mix their blood in their holy matzos,” he noted.

America’s collective memory of such tales must have faded in the intervening centuries.

This is not to say that Israel is infallible, or that there have been no errors in judgment or unpleasantness in this conflict. Not every piece of ordnance Israel uses is precision, and Hamas is often successful in its efforts to put civilians in the line of Israeli fire. War is horrible, and it is a utopian dream to suggest that all atrocities resulting from combat can be prevented.

While America’s support for the Israeli cause is solid, the opposite appears to be true in Europe where anti-Semitic riots have become a regular feature of life in Western European nations like Germany, France, and England. In the American media, too, one gets the sense that America’s close intergovernmental relationship with Israel is a source of endless consternation.

“As harsh as the administration’s language has been in the past few days, it’s hardly been backed up by any meaningful public action pressuring Israel,” Beauchamp wrote. “There’s zero indication that the US is going to take tangible steps to punish Israel, either by limiting defense cooperation or letting through a UN Security Council resolution condemning Israel’s conduct in the Gaza war.”

On Monday, CNN’s Chris Cuomo buffeted State Dept. spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki with questions about America’s military support for Israel, going so far as to suggest America is complicit in the deaths of Gaza’s civilians. “You say this is wrong, you can’t do this kind of shelling or targeted attacks,” Cuomo said of the recent attack on a school. “You are providing the weapons and artillery that allow these attacks to continue. Does that complicate a message of humanity coming from the United States?”

This instinct in the press to reward Hamas’ strategy of ensuring maximum civilian casualties in order to turn global opinion against Israel is a bipartisan one.

“Every day that goes by with images of children being pulled out of the rubble of bombed-out schools, hospitals and public markets is a day that only makes Hamas stronger and threatens Israel’s long-term security,” he added. “And blindly supporting Israel’s politicians when their actions may be strengthening Hamas is no way to show our support or friendship.”

Morehouse College professor Marc Lamont Hill told CNN anchor Carol Costello on Monday that the United States is sacrificing its moral authority by supporting Israel both rhetorically and substantially. “It’s suggesting that there’s an unjust war going on that innocent civilians are being killed and U.N. schools and other safe havens and yet they’re doing nothing to stop it from happening,” he said of American policy toward Israel. “They could control this war at this point. They could end this right now if they want to.”

Tell that to John Kerry.

Hill’s conservative counterpart in that segment, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat, favorably entertained the notion of cutting off military support for Israel, though he avoided making any claims about the morality of that policy prescription.

The American press has an odd blind spot when it comes to the public’s support for Israel. It seems the media is attempting to educate the public that their support for the Jewish State is not founded in logic but on tradition. The media, in fact, might be better served by taking a lesson from the public, which is watching the situation in the Middle East closer and more scrupulously than the elite press has given them credit for.

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“It’s suggesting that there’s an unjust war going on that innocent civilians are being killed and U.N. schools and other safe havens and yet they’re doing nothing to stop it from happening,” (Marc Lamont Hill) said of American policy toward Israel. “They could control this war at this point. They could end this right now if they want to.”

He’s either a horrible liar or an astoundingly gullible idiot.
Or both.

IDF forces in the Gaza Strip found a Hamas manual on “Urban Warfare,” which belonged to the Shuja’iya Brigade of Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades. The manual explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and reveals that Hamas knows the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has continuously used the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. The discovery of a Hamas “urban warfare” manual by IDF forces reveals that Hamas’ callous use of the Gazan population was intentional and preplanned.

This Hamas urban warfare manual exposes two truths: (1) The terror group knows full well that the IDF will do what it can to limit civilian casualties. (2) The terror group exploits these efforts by using civilians as human shields against advancing IDF forces.

While America’s support for the Israeli cause is solid, the opposite appears to be true in Europe where anti-Semitic riots have become a regular feature of life in Western European nations like Germany, France, and England.

A better post than usual from Noah, but again it beats around the bush on a few key points. For instance:

While the average European is likely more anti-Semitic than the average American, they are not rioting in the streets. The people rioting in the streets are the result of Europe’s problem with uncontrolled immigration and unassimilated immigrants. The people rioting in the streets are Muslim immigrants from the Third World. These immigrants have put enormous strains on Europe’s crumbling welfare systems. They have caused a massive increase in crime, including rape and gay bashing. They honor kill their daughters. And they hate Jews.

At least 3 UN schools have been found to be storing rockets and one UN health centre was found to contain the opening to a Hiding Amongst Mosques And Schools tunnel.

Resist We Much on August 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM

In jimbo56′s 5-ringed world, the UN is totally ethical and above reproach.

But here on Planet Earth, anyone with access to objective and credible information sources knows how corrupt the UN has been for decades.

That’s because the UN knows that it is diplomatically immune from anything it does, and is largely unaccountable for its actions. They also treat the huge amount of money they get from the US as an entitlement.

And what about these?

The UN Human Rights Council, even after a major 2006 “reform,” continues to keep scrutiny of Israel as the only standing item on its agenda, condemns Israel more than any other state, and among its members newly elected in 2012 are such human rights abusers as Pakistan, Cote d’Ivoire, Gabon, Kazakhstan and Venezuela.

UNRWA, the U.N.’s Palestinian Refugee Agency, to which the U.S. is the biggest donor, was created in 1949 as a temporary outfit, but more than 60 years later has become an entrenched welfare system, its client rolls swollen five-fold to some 5 million recipients, impeding peace and fostering terror in the Middle East. Headquartered in terrorist-controlled Gaza, UNRWA in 2011 opened a representative office in Washington, staffed by former U.S. congressional aides, in effect using U.S. tax dollars to help promote UNRWA’s interests to Congress and the administration.

Following the Oil-for-Food scandal, in which the U.N. profited from and covered up for billions in Baghdad kickbacks and corruption, the U.N. in 2006 promised greater transparency, accountability, an end to Peacekeeper rape, the elimination of redundant mandates, and a more ethical culture. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon arrived in office in 2007 promising “to restore trust” and calling for a system-wide audit. None of these things has been accomplished.

Inside the U.N., a special anti-corruption task force set up in 2006 was dissolved at the end of 2008.

support for Israel is becoming a partisan, and to a lesser extent, generational issue. That means it is no longer something Israel can take for granted, and hence they can’t count on it. That’s a very good thing.

support for Israel is becoming a partisan, and to a lesser extent, generational issue. That means it is no longer something Israel can take for granted, and hence they can’t count on it. That’s a very good thing.

Funny, all the scumbag libtards that infest this site…support terrorists. Looking forward to the day that scumbags like Tlaloc get what their soulmates in hamas would really like to give them.

HumpBot Salvation on August 4, 2014 at 7:28 PM

They all have simple minds, so it’s a simple Pavlovian response. They automatically have to support anything that we oppose, even if it means supporting terrorists who kill innocent civilians in cold blood.

Only utter idiots do such a thing. They must be so proud of themselves!

support for Israel is becoming a partisan, and to a lesser extent, generational issue. That means it is no longer something Israel can take for granted, and hence they can’t count on it. That’s a very good thing.

Time to wash our hands of Israel and walk away.

Tlaloc on August 4, 2014 at 7:16 PM

+1. Let them do what they feel is appropriate without us meddling, right?

“Hill’s conservative counterpart in that segment, New York Times columnist Ross Douthat, favorably entertained the notion of cutting off military support for Israel, though he avoided making any claims about the morality of that policy prescription.”

Note to Hot Air: William Safire is dead. There are no NYT conservatives.

Just had a new idea for Israel to try to clear out areas of civilians before an attack- borrowed from the blasting Barry Manilow in the malls to get rid of gangs concept.

Make really bad klezmer recordings-think Ferris Bueller “Never Had One Lesson” crossed with Harold Hill’s Boys Band from Music Man crossed with an amateur klezmer band playing out of tune. Broadcast at 120 dB in the target area.

Bet it would be more effective than their curren tactics, but I would recommend adding it to their current strategies.

I don’t no any non-Jews who can tolerate good klezmer music for more than about 5 minutes, so I think this would be really effective.

Morehouse College professor Marc Lamont Hill told CNN anchor Carol Costello on Monday that the United States is sacrificing its moral authority by supporting Israel both rhetorically and substantially.

I ask Mark Lamont Hill why he continues to encourage Hamas to use children as human shields.

Has he condemned them for their heinous acts evne now after they have sacrificed 1800 or so in this conflict alone? Why does he continue to condone their actions?

I know I’ve missed several, but I wanted to thank you for your thoughtful, well-written and informative responses. I’m always trying to learn something while interacting here, and your logic, critical thinking and common sense never fail to impress. You are among the best of HotAir and a big reason why many of us populate this site.

Hamas is a terrorist organization and more generally the PA is rife with corruption.

Now why you think that gives you a blank check to murder Palestinians I can’t imagine.

Take your time.

Tlaloc on August 4, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Simply breathtaking.

Please tell us why you inserted the word “you” into your second sentence.

Disclaimers:

1. I’m not Israeli, nor am I a member of IDF.

2. I’m not even Jewish.

3. I get my “news” from all sides, but that includes sources that you Low-Info/Low Brain Cell Democrats refuse to acknowledge. As a decades-long shortwave radio listener, I’ve listened to Kol Israel since the days of the Six Day War, and do so now online. The fact that you don’t seem interested in hearing Israel’s side of the story speaks volumes.

anti-Semitic riots have become a regular feature of life in Western European nations like Germany, France, and England.

Uh, what? No they haven’t.
There’s been a few protests, mainly in London (but people are always protesting something in London, the place is a hole), and in some of the other larger cities there have been cases where dozens of people (wow, so many!) turned up outside government buildings to protest.

What’s more worrying is the people who don’t go out and protest, but just make little comments now and again, tacking an addendum like “… and screw [company x] because they’re supporting Israel.” onto the end of a conversation and just leaving it like that. It’s not a good atmosphere.

There was one guy the other day I challenged on this – he explained (voxsplained?)that Hamas weren’t actually firing any rockets at all, and the Israelis were making the whole thing up as an excuse to bomb Gaza. I’m not sure how to counter this level of stupidity.

Israel will never live peacefully with the Muslims. It is crazy to even attempt. Israel should give a 7 day notice to those living in Gaza to abandon Gaza immediately as it will be flattened to the ground in exactly 7 days to the minute. Flattened. Demolished. Anyone surviving will be shot on sight.

Studies and various polling over the last several years have concluded that the mainstream media largely (about 80%) leans left. In the old days of the big three (NBC, ABC & CBS) when Americans only had a few sources for news, the media was more able to shape public opinion to its liking.

In today’s world however, with the internet, more news sources, personal blogs, social media, etc., people are finding their own sources of news and ratings for today’s big media continue to circle the toilet, NBC & CNN being the most notable.

Big media doesn’t like it when people don’t accept their spoon-fed biased diatribes. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the media was to discover the real Jew-haters are they themselves and their pro-terrorist reporting. And they are learning that most Americans don’t share their liberal views anymore.

support for Israel is becoming a partisan, and to a lesser extent, generational issue. That means it is no longer something Israel can take for granted, and hence they can’t count on it. That’s a very good thing.

Time to wash our hands of Israel and walk away.

Tlaloc on August 4, 2014 at 7:16 PM

I can’t help but notice that you don’t seem to think we should wash our hands of hamas as well. Or at least you haven’t said so, like you just did for Israel. Why not?

It’s odd that you want to walk away from a democracy that includes arabs (including “palestinians”), has mosques within it’s territory, and where women have equal rights.

But you seem to want to cozy up to what you admit is a terrorist organization whos very existence is to kill every jew on the planet (starting with Israel), allows nothing but mosques as religious sites within the territory they control, treats women like property (and worse), and kills gay people simply for being born that way (kinda how they treat jews).

None of what I just posted is in dispute, by you or hamas. So I have to ask, why do you give such full throated support to people who make nazis look like catholic school girls? Is it, as you suggested, just a question of the party you support?

You were asked a simple question about whom were the sources to substantiate another of your ‘apparent’ claims which you so intently ‘believe’ – and to provide links for those sources.

Rather than answer, you tell them to read the articles, while declining to link to those articles….all of which will allow you to move the goalposts to ‘other’ sites, while saying that ‘those weren’t the sites I was referencing’.

Here’s a simple conclusion….without links and proof, you’re just making the whole thing up yet again in another lame effort to justify your support for terrorists who want to kill all the Jews.

You were asked a simple question about whom were the sources to substantiate another of your ‘apparent’ claims which you so intently ‘believe’ – and to provide links for those sources.

Rather than answer, you tell them to read the articles, while declining to link to those articles….all of which will allow you to move the goalposts to ‘other’ sites, while saying that ‘those weren’t the sites I was referencing’.

Here’s a simple conclusion….without links and proof, you’re just making the whole thing up yet again in another lame effort to justify your support for terrorists who want to kill all the Jews.

Haven’t you read about US’ reaction to the Sunday bombing (this is from the WSJ, but it’s been all over the news):

“The State Department reaction to the strike outside the U.N. shelter on Sunday was the most pointed to date. Spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the U.S. was “appalled by today’s disgraceful shelling.” U.S. officials said the wording was meant to signal to Israel that the administration has reached what American officials described as “a breaking point”.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the strike in Rafah “a moral outrage and a criminal act.”

Palestinian officials, who in Gaza are another phrase for Hamas officials who have in their playbook staging propaganda events to damage Israel. (You did read Del’s link to the Hamas Urban Combat Guide? I, of course, jest, because we know you didn’t.)

The anti-Semitic, anti-Israel United Nations, which is more upset at Israel than with Hamas using their facilities to store missiles?

Or the pro-Hamas US State Department?

Perhaps I should believe the unnamed journalist who reported the story for Sky – even after all the reports by other international journalists that reported threats being made if they didn’t assist the Hamas propaganda efforts?

Or should I believe a pathologically dishonest troll who prefers to defend terrorists, move goalposts, picks nits, splits hairs, and is otherwise dumber than a box of rocks?

Well, there is Israel’s take… a country that is prosecuting for murder the 3 Israeli’s who murdered a Palestinian teenager in revenge for the Palestinians murdering 3 Israeli teens….and interestingly enough, not one of those Palestinians was even arrested for their crime. Instead, they were called heroes.

Or a country that will place their own soldiers at greater risk to avoid civilian losses, and will admit mistakes when they are made, versus a terrorist organization that you reprehensibly support that uses their own civilians as human shields and props (living and dead) for propaganda purposes while firing hundreds of missiles into Israeli villages, towns, and cities?

How about supporting a country that grants it’s 25% Arab population more rights than any Arab has in the rest of the region, permits open practice of all religions, supports gay and women’s rights, and is the only real Democracy in the region versus supporting those who wish to return to the 7th Century?

Palestinian officials, who in Gaza are another phrase for Hamas officials who have in their playbook staging propaganda events to damage Israel. (You did read Del’s link to the Hamas Urban Combat Guide? I, of course, jest, because we know you didn’t.)

The anti-Semitic, anti-Israel United Nations, which is more upset at Israel than with Hamas using their facilities to store missiles?

Or the pro-Hamas US State Department?

Perhaps I should believe the unnamed journalist who reported the story for Sky – even after all the reports by other international journalists that reported threats being made if they didn’t assist the Hamas propaganda efforts?

Or should I believe a pathologically dishonest troll who prefers to defend terrorists, move goalposts, picks nits, splits hairs, and is otherwise dumber than a box of rocks?

Well, there is Israel’s take… a country that is prosecuting for murder the 3 Israeli’s who murdered a Palestinian teenager in revenge for the Palestinians murdering 3 Israeli teens….and interestingly enough, not one of those Palestinians was even arrested for their crime. Instead, they were called heroes.

Or a country that will place their own soldiers at greater risk to avoid civilian losses, and will admit mistakes when they are made, versus a terrorist organization that you reprehensibly support that uses their own civilians as human shields and props (living and dead) for propaganda purposes while firing hundreds of missiles into Israeli villages, towns, and cities?

How about supporting a country that grants it’s 25% Arab population more rights than any Arab has in the rest of the region, permits open practice of all religions, supports gay and women’s rights, and is the only real Democracy in the region versus supporting those who wish to return to the 7th Century?

It’s clear you fail in critical thinking.

Athos on August 5, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I’d rather believe the UN and the US, thank you.

It’s clear you just don’t like the way I think. Boo hoo. You’re all in the bag for Israel because you can’t believe that Israel can do anything wrong. Just like many of the Germans couldn’t believe that Hitler would do anything wrong. Failing to critically think about what a government tells people is never good. You fail that test because you can’t think critically.

Go ahead and join the IDF if you want. And go ahead and give all your money to Israel and have your church, temple or whatever do bake and bagel sales and send their members to join the IDF if you so believe. No one is stopping them or you.

You’re all in the bag for Israel because you can’t believe that Israel can do anything wrong. Just like many of the Germans couldn’t believe that Hitler would do anything wrong.
jim56 on August 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM

You’re all in the bag for Israel because you can’t believe that Israel can do anything wrong. Just like many of the Germans couldn’t believe that Hitler would do anything wrong.
jim56 on August 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM

You’re all in the bag for Israel because you can’t believe that Israel can do anything wrong. Just like many of the Germans couldn’t believe that Hitler would do anything wrong.
jim56 on August 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Do you even realize the ironic idiocy of that statement?

Sterling Holobyte on August 5, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Oh, Sterling is quite right about the ironic idiocy of that statement. Guess when you were busy moving the goalposts over the last few days you’ve missed RWM’s posts showing Hamas terrorists-in-training delivering Nazi salutes.

No, rather than point to the real fascists, you project and accuse the one real Democracy in the region, the one that provides more freedoms not only to the Jews and Christians in their nation, but also to the Muslims and every other religion, including those without a religious belief, than any other nation in the region does.

I suppose in your twisted ‘beliefs’ that’s ‘apparently’ still fascism.

At this point, I just wondering when you’re going to learn from the first rule of hole digging? With you, the bar can’t be set any higher.

It’s clear you just don’t like the way I think. Boo hoo. You’re all in the bag for Israel because you can’t believe that Israel can do anything wrong. Just like many of the Germans couldn’t believe that Hitler would do anything wrong. Failing to critically think about what a government tells people is never good.

jim56 on August 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Given what you said here, it’s clear you have no idea what the last sentence even means. Pity.

You accept, uncritically, everything a democrat politician tells you. There has never been a single exception you could point to.

No, rather than point to the real fascists, you project and accuse the one real Democracy in the region, the one that provides more freedoms not only to the Jews and Christians in their nation, but also to the Muslims and every other religion, including those without a religious belief, than any other nation in the region does.

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Please don’t get verklempt again, bubala….

Athos on August 5, 2014 at 7:49 PM

You might want to look at a map. Turkey is in the middle east and has democratic elections and freedom of religion.

I can’t figure out if you’re a Shmendrik, a Putz or a Schlump. Don’t Plotz over this.

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It’s in the Turkey constitution. There are some restrictions, to be sure.

jim56 on August 6, 2014 at 5:26 PM

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When all “religions” have the freedom of open practice and expression ON THE STREET in Turkey, that they have in the U.S. and Israel, get back to us.
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In the mean time … you could try going over to Turkey, pick any corner in any town, and start trying to evangelize for Jesus Christ, and see what happens.

I’m not finding any reports where people were thrown in jail for doing that. Do you have any?

jim56 on August 6, 2014 at 6:42 PM

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Only from the man (my age) who went over there specifically for the purpose of Christian evangelism, near about the early 1980s.

He did not witness anyone getting arrested either, but he was firmly warned by whomever his sponsor/contact was over there to keep a “low profile.” I gathered the this Turkish citizen had seen persons arrested, and beaten.
My acquaintance flat-out told me that Christian evangelism was against the law, over there … but it occurs to me that just may have been a misconception, based on what he had heard about Christians being arrested.
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Side note – if you’ve seen the movie “Zero Dark Thirty”, you’ll remember a scene near the beginning where our heroine (Maya) is sleeping on a coach, and the local ‘muathin’ starts his “singing call to prayer” from high in the ‘minaret’, and Maya stirs, then moans to herself about it, ’cause it’s much earlier in the morning than she’s used to getting up.

My acquaintance’s description of his first morning in Turkey was exactly like that scene in the movie. He wanted to bury his head under his pillow, when that “calling” started.

nly from the man (my age) who went over there specifically for the purpose of Christian evangelism, near about the early 1980s.

He did not witness anyone getting arrested either, but he was firmly warned by whomever his sponsor/contact was over there to keep a “low profile.” I gathered the this Turkish citizen had seen persons arrested, and beaten.
My acquaintance flat-out told me that Christian evangelism was against the law, over there … but it occurs to me that just may have been a misconception, based on what he had heard about Christians being arrested.
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Side note – if you’ve seen the movie “Zero Dark Thirty”, you’ll remember a scene near the beginning where our heroine (Maya) is sleeping on a coach, and the local ‘muathin’ starts his “singing call to prayer” from high in the ‘minaret’, and Maya stirs, then moans to herself about it, ’cause it’s much earlier in the morning than she’s used to getting up.

My acquaintance’s description of his first morning in Turkey was exactly like that scene in the movie. He wanted to bury his head under his pillow, when that “calling” started.

listens2glenn on August 6, 2014 at 10:07 PM

I have seen the movie and I’ve been to Turkey. It is loud at around 5 p.m.

Having said that, your friend was there 30+years ago. Things have changed.