For the price, their guns are not that bad, however the Azodin Kaos is much better because it has industry standard parts. Their electric guns are outmatched by the GOG Envy, for just a little more. The gripe that most people have with them is the proprietary parts(ie spyder threaded barrels).

In short, No. Spyders are not bad as people say they are. They are starter/beginner markers and yes there is better on the market, but Spyders also won't leave you stranded mid-game either.

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Stop worrying about how you look, and start worrying about how you play. Get out on the field and play paintball the best you can, not stand at home in front of a mirror trying to figure out if your jersey matches your eyes.

Spyders are solid performers, however there are better markers out there for the price.
And yes, the last I heard, Spyder's got rid of all their metric-ness and staggered ASA's.
Most "low-end" Starter markers have spyder threads.

However, like I said, there are better markers on the market for that price point

For the price, their guns are not that bad, however the Azodin Kaos is much better because it has industry standard parts.

I keep hearing this and if it was ever true it's not true today.If anything, Spyder parts are much more common than Azodin parts. For that matter, Spyders switched to SAE screws years ago but the Azodin guns are still built in metric.

For the price, their guns are not that bad, however the Azodin Kaos is much better because it has industry standard parts.

I keep hearing this and if it was ever true it's not true today.If anything, Spyder parts are much more common than Azodin parts. For that matter, Spyders switched to SAE screws years ago but the Azodin guns are still built in metric.

Where does this saying even come from?

He must be taking about the autococker threaded barrel and ion threaded feedneck. I'd still take a spyder over an azodin. Their stock clamping feednecks aren't that bad so no need to replace and you don't to be investing in a nice barrel for these guns so the whole industry standard advantage is a bit of a moot point to me.

For the price, their guns are not that bad, however the Azodin Kaos is much better because it has industry standard parts.

I keep hearing this and if it was ever true it's not true today.If anything, Spyder parts are much more common than Azodin parts. For that matter, Spyders switched to SAE screws years ago but the Azodin guns are still built in metric.

Where does this saying even come from?

He must be taking about the autococker threaded barrel and ion threaded feedneck. I'd still take a spyder over an azodin. Their stock clamping feednecks aren't that bad so no need to replace and you don't to be investing in a nice barrel for these guns so the whole industry standard advantage is a bit of a moot point to me.

Actually, I bought an Ion threaded clamping neck for my Spyder and it works perfectly. No problems at all. Only downside these days is the fact Spyders don't come with 'cocker barrel threads.

Spyders are fine for low end guns. You shouldnt be upgrading anything on it anyways so what does it matter if it's "industry standard?" Although you're probably just better of renting a marker since performance will be the same and you dont have to worry about maintenance.

na not really, when you love them they love you back. If you leave it full of broken paint and never lube it yeah it's gonna have problems, honestly though a mechanical spyder is bullet proof. very rarely does a gun that simple fail because of it's design.

I still have my electro spyder, I threw an old WGP reg on it that I had lying around and it shoots pretty nice for something so cheap. I keep it as my backup

Spyders are an entry level marker. It's when people try mod a volkswagon and race a lambo that they become disappointed. Kingsman tried to compete with the midend market and those that bought into the advertising was disappointed as well.

My Spyder rodeo is a loaner. It's reliable for the beginner and easy to use. It's been around for awhile and I won't sell it because it does what I want it to do. Nothing more or less than what it was designed for.

Couldn't be further from the truth. There isn't a marker made today can stand up to the punishment you can put a Spyder through and still function as intended. Every Spyder I've owned has gone toe to toe with the big boys and never faltered. Same with all the Sypders my teammates have been using since they started playing. If you clean it out, use a good oil and change an o-ring every once-in-awhile, Spyders will last forever. Hell, my RS will jump in to Ramp faster and easier than any other marker I've shot. Yes, it's loud, sure it has a bit of a kick (not a mull kick like people will claim), but it still fires 12.5 bps and very rarely chops.

My Spyder Compact Deluxe java edition is still going strong and has never chopped a ball(got it 10 years ago). I will be using an Axe now after selling the pos x7 Phenom. But will have my Spyder as a backup. I've decided to stop listening to people about markers.

What's the pain with them? I mean, honestly, they are beasts of simplicity and reliability. My first gun was a Spyder, and I still retain the one below for mech play. My girlfriend loves to use it when playing as she does not have to be concerned with electronics or anything going wrong on the field.

Is it a good value? Would I recommend a novice to go out and buy one compared to a more reasonable and capable PMR/GoG product? Well...no. They are a long ways from a modern and proper electro as they should be. Far from shit though, very far if you ask me. Their customer service isn't--don't even bother calling.

Reliable guns that are extremely easy to fix. A vast majority of the issues can be fixed by swapping out orings. Don't buy them new though. Just get a used one for around a 1/4 of the price. There is a reason why they are the guns we have been getting for loaners when we play.....I think we have about 30 of them now. Cheap. Reliable. Shoot ok (not great but for the price, I am not complaining). Parts EVERYWHERE. Odds are you can get a lot of a few guns for like $40. Make a couple of them nice and use the rest for parts.