This is a discussion on Link between INTJ's and capricorns (or earth signs in general)? within the INTJ Forum - The Scientists forums, part of the NT's Temperament Forum- The Intellects category; DON'T GET ME WRONG, I am not one of those people who blindly believes in things (astrology for example), nor ...

Link between INTJ's and capricorns (or earth signs in general)?

DON'T GET ME WRONG, I am not one of those people who blindly believes in things (astrology for example), nor am I someone who believes that every person is one of twelve "signs". In fact, when I was first introduced to the idea of astrology, I thought it was total bulls**t. BUT, after a friend did my my natal chart (yes, everyone has an individual "chart" of which the aspects in the chart vary according to time and place of birth, look it up) I began to wonder if this "astrology" crap held any water. I have six out of the twelve planets in capricorn, four being "personal planets" (sun, venus, mars, and mercury) and I have my moon in the sign of virgo. After realizing that there was so much more to astrology than the common perception, I became obsessed with proving it's validity to everyone who dismissed it as BS (and justifiably, I mean, what kind of a sane person would just believe that the position of the planets in the sky have a profound affect on our personalities, the theory seems far fetched to say the least) and explaining it in depth to people who had only read the extremely general horoscopes. Anyways, I am confused as to whether there is a link between earth signs and INTJ's as the majority of the aspects seen in capricorn (and taurus and virgo to a lesser extent) seem to be dead on with the INTJ description, yet there are a few capricorn traits that simply don't fit at all (eg. love of money and material things, excessive need to prove yourself to others, the key phrase "I use", rigid and boxed in thinking, traditionalism, etc.). I think it must have to do something with what the chart as a whole looks like. I mean, mine is very one sided with half of all the planets in capricorn, and most of the others (all besides the moon) in the upper half. This is known as a "bundle" or "cluster" chart and is supposedly the most rare of all chart types. This type of chart is generally associated with having deep understanding of and fascination with a very limited number of interests, which adds intensity to the personality (spot on for me). In other words, it is very "unbalanced" with the subject being very knowledgeable in some areas and very lacking in others. People with "bundle" charts also tend to know themselves very well from a young age and get frustrated with ritual oriented systems or being asked to do something without being told why (also spot on). The "average" chart these days (we are in the age of pisces) has a balanced spread of planets in throughout the chart, indicating shallow thinking in many areas, a wide range of interests that are not explored very deeply. As we head into the "age of aquarius" we are beginning to see more and more children being born with "bundle" charts like mine (we are also seeing a rise in psychosis, mental disorders in general, and school shootings, suggesting that these new children have different needs and abilities that aren't being met or nurtured by the current state of society). The people I have seen that REALLY fit the label for their sun sign were people with "age of pisces charts", planets spread out in many different signs. So, back to my question, do you think there is a link between earth signs (particularly capricorn) and INTJ's and do you think that there is a link between having a "bundle" or "cluster" of planets in an earth sign and being an INTJ? thanks yalls.*

Never had a chart done, but Gemini by birthdate. My fiancée (also an INTJ) is a Sagittarius.

Originally Posted by Freak the Mighty

After realizing that there was so much more to astrology than the common perception, I became obsessed with proving it's validity to everyone who dismissed it as BS (and justifiably, I mean, what kind of a sane person would just believe that the position of the planets in the sky have a profound affect on our personalities, the theory seems far fetched to say the least) and explaining it in depth to people who had only read the extremely general horoscopes.

The human body is actually very adaptable to external conditions, such as healing over a piece of shrapnel, or putting on more muscle mass. Which is fairly well known but I'm bringing up the point that our DNA only goes so far in defining the shape and form of our bodies, a great amount of how we look is defined by a subtle adaptation to external forces.

For instance in infants, the 'swirl' of our hair (the right or left circular dirction of hair follicles) is thought to be determined not by DNA but actually by the movement of the amniotic fluid. Possibly the fingerprints as well, but I'm not sure of that.

Most notable about this example is how little force is required to effect some changes.

Now Planetary bodies all emit an electromagnetic field and electromagnetic fields have been shown not only to be present in biological organisms but to be able to affect them in various ways. EM weapons have been researched specifically against humans which can affect the mind by creating a sense of anxiety or dread, intense drowsiness, or utter confusion.

Now imagine the subtleties of the EM fields present on earth during different times of year or as the planets change position around the sun. Such alterations to the EM field is minute and impossible to measure without the kind of scientific instruments that cost millions of dollars, are only accessible to the greatest scientists, and the rest of us can only drool over.

However, the formative years of a human embryo while the brain is wiring itself could result in very minute alterations to the neuronal pathways.

I don't put much stock into astrology but I can't ignore evidence supporting it's accuracy (to a point, there's a lot of flim flam that goes on too) This is the best theory I've been able to come up with after a few years.

Never had a chart done, but Gemini by birthdate. My fiancée (also an INTJ) is a Sagittarius.

The human body is actually very adaptable to external conditions, such as healing over a piece of shrapnel, or putting on more muscle mass. Which is fairly well known but I'm bringing up the point that our DNA only goes so far in defining the shape and form of our bodies, a great amount of how we look is defined by a subtle adaptation to external forces.

For instance in infants, the 'swirl' of our hair (the right or left circular dirction of hair follicles) is thought to be determined not by DNA but actually by the movement of the amniotic fluid. Possibly the fingerprints as well, but I'm not sure of that.

Most notable about this example is how little force is required to effect some changes.

Now Planetary bodies all emit an electromagnetic field and electromagnetic fields have been shown not only to be present in biological organisms but to be able to affect them in various ways. EM weapons have been researched specifically against humans which can affect the mind by creating a sense of anxiety or dread, intense drowsiness, or utter confusion.

Now imagine the subtleties of the EM fields present on earth during different times of year or as the planets change position around the sun. Such alterations to the EM field is minute and impossible to measure without the kind of scientific instruments that cost millions of dollars, are only accessible to the greatest scientists, and the rest of us can only drool over.

However, the formative years of a human embryo while the brain is wiring itself could result in very minute alterations to the neuronal pathways.

I don't put much stock into astrology but I can't ignore evidence supporting it's accuracy (to a point, there's a lot of flim flam that goes on too) This is the best theory I've been able to come up with after a few years.

I'm gonna assume that your girlfriend was born in either 1991 or 1993, no?

I'm a libra. Also, I thought the Age of Aquarius doesn't start for another hundred years or so? Or rather wont fully transition for another hundred years? It's not like it happens overnight.

Astrologers do not agree on when the Aquarian age will start (or has started).[3]*Nicholas Campion*in*The Book of World*Horoscopes*lists various references from mainly astrological sources for the start of the Age of Aquarius. Based on the research by Nicholas Campion most published material on the subject state that the Age of Aquarius arrived in the 20th century (29 claims), with the 24th century in second place with twelve claimants.[4]

wikipedia dawg, by the way, libras all suck and as far as I'm concerned can kiss me arse.

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