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Fan Service: The Reverse, Reverse, Reverse Harem - #04

Join Gray Haddock, Kerry Shawcross, Miles Luna, Yssa Badiola, Austin Hardwicke and Cole Gallian as they discuss Death Note Advertisements, Kiss Him Not Me, Sports Anime and more on this week's Fan Service!

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HidingFromTheSpotlightFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

8 months ago

I started watching Yuri!!! On Ice because of this show, but the english dub is weirding me out because Yuri occasionally sounds like Miles and Guang-hong Ji sounds kinda like Kerry.

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BismarckeeFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

8 months ago

A platoon of pilots . . .

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RavenSugaraFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Streamer/Fic Writer

10 months ago

Hey sorry but about that fan service shot of the week- I know ghost in the shell, but what were the other clips from? They looked interesting but I missed the actual show titles if they were mentioned except Red Line

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StSeungRiFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

As you said, there was Ghost in the Shell and Redline, there was also: Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin, Rebuild of Evangelion and Akira. They're actually mentioned in the link dump right under the video for future reference.

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DavidtheWavidFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Evangelion 4.4: You Will (Never) See It

+1 Funny

Cobrass67FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I'm dying to check out that space robot one after Akira on Gray's list, anyone know the name of it?

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SuitedmetalheadFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

2 weeks ago

I think it was Gundam the origin

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Iftekhar_UddinFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Downthehollow

10 months ago

Memes never die....they just wait for their next moment to strike...

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DavidtheWavidFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

They're just missing in action

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PaddlesFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Ravenclaw

10 months ago

Why do I like yuri on ice!! So much, I ask myself as I start watching the next episode.... That intro though is amazing

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wonderbread58FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Ano hana and Toradora are two of my favorite animes. I may have to check out Iron Blooded Orphans.

+1 Ditto

hatterandahareFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

i totally get what Yssa is saying!!! it starts very tropey and fanservicey then slowly matures into a real relationship, organically and very naturally / realistically. once she said it that way it just snapped into focus for me how they sorta trick you into thinking this is a normal baiting anime where the gay jokes are thrown loosely around, we all know the types. this handled a true romance and handled it well.

+1 Cool

TwilliFellFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Please, please, try Nanbaka, just watched the first episode, it's hilarious. No idea what the rest will be like but just watch the first episode.

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Dr_EnwordFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Average Gamer who talks

10 months ago

Are they ever gonna discuss Dragon Ball Super?

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goddessapostleFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I love Yuri On Ice and I love the direction Victor and Yuri's relationship is headed - and hell, I'll watch just about any show with positive LGBT representation but like... Yssa's fetishizing it and that's really uncomfortable.

+4 Ditto

DavidVickersFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Pretty sure there's a difference between liking something and fetishizing.

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VataliniFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

The feel I'm getting from Yssa is that she's more a fan and really likes BL and the like rather than fetishizing.

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hayleymarlaFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

OH MY GOD! I just watched all of the updated episodes of Kiss Him, Not Me! because of Yssa's recommendation, and BOY was I tickled pink. Thank you so much Yssa, it's so funny. One of the funniest anime I've seen.

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allybentzFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Qwuinoa

10 months ago

Holy Shit Kerry was almost right about Yuri On Ice!!! That's so wierd

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EVApilot_011FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

So why is Jack Black sitting in the audience?

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Invader-JimFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

LOL, no shit. I had to rewind and pause on that cunt coz his head just cracked me the fuck up.

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inryokuFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭*:･ﾟ✧

10 months ago

I hope they end up talking about the intense homophobia present in Japan. It's not a coincidence that anything not straight is severally fetishized in anime. Often times it's a shock factor and baiting to get those fans to keep watching. Real life gay people in Japan are vilified and find it hard to live openly. It would be really nice if my sexuality was made valid instead of just a shocking entertainment twist for a harem anime.

I feel like Yuri on Ice handles this really well so far because for one it's centered around a sport with ties to gay communities and not once has there been a gay panic scene. It's not being openly apart of the Boy Love genre because of censoring but makes it obvious there is romantic love happening. It's refreshing to see an anime centered around these themes without being a fetish shit show.

Yuri on Ice gives me hope that those like me can be more normalized in media and not have our personalities only be that we are gay. There are so many more stories to be told.

+9 Cool

hatterandahareFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

THIS so perfectly sumarizes my feelings about this anime, how it tricks you into thinking its a lady baiting anime then turns into a real mature story of two people falling in love in a space where the gender boundary is a bit looser ie skating

+2 Ditto

ZeusBaxterFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
THAT Guy

DecroziFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Anime fan

10 months ago

This gets hard to watch at times. I love the info it provides about anime I haven't heard of, but Miles and Kerry... they are the stereotype of anime fans. If Gray ever leaves this show, I'm out. I'm old so watching dad and his kids talk anime gets rough for me at times.

-6 Lame

Wolfwood_RoTFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Finally had time too watch this after Extra Life.

Annnnd Sold! Seeing death note movie now. So glad it was on Extra Life stream aswell.

Also on Extra Life, Yssa seeing two guys kiss in front of her during it was adorable. She was completely focused on it.

I get that way about Yuri so it's cool to see the other side is just as addicted and engaged.

All the best people never compromise on their hobbies! That's why Yssa has become one of my favourite RT peoples.

Actually curious if she reads or has watched Genshiken. Second season of the manga has a bunch of characters that remind me of her.

Fanservice shot of the week was awesome this week. Pure action!

Also the Live action Ghost in the Shell was a bit iffy for me as if I would see it or not... Until the "Shelling" scene! The music and feel has sold it to me. I don't expect it to top the feeling I got from the Anime but I still really want it to be good. I also want to support what could possibly lead too a lot of Anime live action movies like what happened with comics.

Yuri on ice, "It's so gay!" - Yssa.

Seriously, so good as well. Fun to enjoy something outside my normal style.

HalfDeadRosesFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Harambe may never die

-2 Flamebait

Invader-JimFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Guess what? He was shot dead. Harambe is dead. Forever Dead.

+1 Cool

olivemeisterFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I love the podcast and I love the cast, but it makes me so uncomfortable the way Yssa (and some of the audience members?) seem to treat boy/boy romance as a spectator sport. I wish she would have a little more awareness that gay guys exist and are trying to live their lives as something outside of a show for girls to enjoy...

Before anyone misunderstands me, I don't want people to think I'm calling anyone homophobic. It's just something that's exhausting and frustrating for me as a guy who's interested in guys. And it's a huge and disheartening trend for romance between guys to exist in media simply for the sake of entertaining women (which is exactly what Yssa is outlining with how the target audience of sports anime is shifting). Fujoshi culture has been devastating to me as someone who's trying to break free from the idea that liking men is wrong, and that's what I honestly feel like Yssa is dipping into. At least she isn't "affectionately"calling her gay ships sinful. That said, I do recognize that it's the exact same thing guys do re: lesbians and I won't pretend otherwise. It's just really shitty on all sides to treat people as if these parts of them exist for the sake of making someone unrelated feel good.

On a different note, the fact that she did all that research into sports anime is really cool. As someone who's been an anime fan for a good decade or so, I was sort of subconsciously aware of the trend shifting re: the sports anime audience, but didn't spare a second thought on actually, you know, thinking about it. I think it's pretty clear that there's much more awareness that sports anime attracts a large audience of BL/yaoi fans, usually women, and the industry is acting accordingly. Plenty of sports anime exist that are not actively courting this kind of audience (I don't feel Haikyuu!! is for anything but a shonen audience), but it's becoming more and more common for little nods to an audience of women to appear.

I do find it interesting that Oofuri/Big Windup was discussed but no mention was made that the author, Asa Higuchi, made her debut with a BL manga called Yuku Tokoro. So much attention was given to how Oofuri changed sports anime and put more focus on the emotional ties between men, I feel like the context of Higuchi-san having created BL content would be interesting at the very least. The emphasis of relationships in Oofuri (and how it influenced other sports series) may not have been intentional ship-tease from Higuchi-san, sure, but, you know, authors tend to have similar themes repeat in their work.

+5 Cool

EveradeptFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I am pretty sure she knows gay guys exist and that anime characters are not representative of real life people.

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Broadway2151674FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Broadway

CorpsePrincezzFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Because of this I binged watched all six episodes of Kiss him, not me and I don't normally watch anime unless they have a English dub, but that is all over with now. I did watch the first dubbed episode of Kiss him, not me and it was pretty good.

+2 Cool

GanglyLimbs9947FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I love Big Windup, I have to go back and read it. I don't know why I stopped. I'm hoping Yuri!!! ends up like Big Windup, where we have Yuri and Victor as the "main characters" but it also follows all these other competitors and you actually feel sorry for them when they don't make it because that's my favorite thing about sports animes.

My predictions for Yuri!! is that Victor actually misses skating and competing and has to deal with "do I want to compete again or do I stay and coach?" And if he does compete, Yuri is then coached by his ballerina friend (sorry forgot her name) and ends up competing against Victor.

+1 Ditto

AzureburnFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

It was a little frustrating that Kerry kept derailing while Yssa was discussing the history of sports anime. Maybe I'm just imagining it though. Eh, I'll just have to read the essay.

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UPdawg101FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Yuri on Ice? More like Yaoi on Ice, am I right?

+1 Zing!

inryokuFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭*:･ﾟ✧

10 months ago

it's not in the boy's love genre tho. but there is a reason for it seeming like it is because ice skating has always been a queer coded sport. so the show is pretty much toeing the line to make a statement about how homosexuality is accepted in sports and anime. since if an anime is considered yaoi or yuri it is usually treated as for adults only and kept away from larger audiences. especially in japan.

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Milo_WNFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Secretly a Wizard

10 months ago

I wanted to make that joke from the first time they say the show's name, but I thought "maybe it's too obvious"...apparently it's not.

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PrincelyFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
Princely

10 months ago

I Very much recommend Big windup! ITS SO GOOD AND EMOtional So realistic. I love it <3

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SailorVeFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
☾❤☀

10 months ago

Kiss Him Not Me is a gift from the gods

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Toshinou_KyoukoFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Pleas, please, please! Give Flip Flappers a watch, it is so underwatched.

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ArkatoxFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I have two episodes of Yuri left before I'm letting myself watch this.

Please never make us binge a slow-paced series again. It's good, but it's hard to find the time to watch. I was looking forward to the anime club because one or two episodes a week is actually manageable. I wasn't prepared for "Oh, and this week we're watching five episodes of a show that's really hard to binge!" Lol.

Also, your viewers are now required to have CrunchyRoll Premium in order to participate. Well played. I'll go sign up...

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ChrisMillsFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

OH GOD. I remember watching Redline, and my jaw just dropping at how good it was. And probably one of the big gateways that got me super interested was Sword of the Stranger

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harryoppFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

i think hijame no ippo and slam dunk were more influential than Captain Tsubasa or big windup

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SuperSpyro96FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

IPPO!

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YangPandaFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
➲☯☯☯☯

10 months ago

Gray mate you wearing a Gorillaz shirt so much respect for you now haha

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ShennaFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
@sena_bun

10 months ago

Since last week's episode I've watched the entirety of Haikyuu up to this the latest one and wow. Yuri On Ice was the first sports anime I liked (wasn't a fan of free) and now I think I'm invested in sports anime. I liked hearing about Yssa's sports research so if she does end up researching other anime things I hope she continues to share it!!

Also now I'm kinda curious about Kiss Him Not Me.

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kinshomaFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Ghost in the Shell was my gateway anime.

A couple of anime recommendations for those who love space operas

1) Crest of the Stars (Pr equal), Banner of the Stars

2) Heroic Age (imagine space Iliad)

+1 Cool

PhatnaruFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

I love seeing Yssa geeking out over BL and just anime guys in general. I've always felt... I guess ashamed would be the best word to describe how I feel when I geek out over cute anime girls, and maybe a little disrespectful. I feel super happy when I see the reverse though. I suppose it makes me feel a little justified. As though I can geek out over anime girls without having to judge myself.

+2 Cool

CodeZTMFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Thanks so much for all the suggestions this week! I started watching Kiss Him Not Me, and it's a really cute show! Last harem anime I watched was Negima, so it's fun to try another show like this! I also started watching Drifters and Kaijo because of this show, and it's really gotten me back into anime! Once I get some more time, I'm going to dive into Yuri on ice, because it sounds really interesting!

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Emd23FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

This sports anime discussion missed a mention of Slam Dunk! That was iconic.

Nor Kuroko's Basketball. That was bigger than Free! ever was, and the girls adored it. The anime aired a year before Free! as well.

Glad to see Tsubasa was mentioned. It was hugely popular in Latin America.

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farson135FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Don’t worry Miles, I just finished the anime Hana Yori Dango (started 1996) and liked it. If I can praise an obscure shojo anime from 20 years ago, you can praise Ghost in the Shell.

For the record, the reason I started watching the show was because it was just released on DVD last week, and it was dubbed (and pretty well dubbed at that). Three things that are rather unusual for a non-shonen late 90s anime, and as such got my attention. Also, I have been on a bit of a romance kick lately.

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INoScopedJFKFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

10 months ago

Why did he say he was mad at 11,000?

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AbissFIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

I think Victor needs Yuri and Yuri needs Victor because they both inspire each other. Their healthy relationship is built on mutual respect and love, making them the best anime portrayed power couple I've ever seen. I don't think Victor will leave, I think it's been confirmed that they will stick together through the end, but I think conflict will (hopefully) arrive in Yuri needing to kinda step up his eros as pointed out by Chris in the last episode (Yuri has an innocent kind of eros).

Victor has been a pillar of strength so far and maybe as the show goes on some weaknesses will start to show? This whole show has been a 10/10 for me (Yssa is my soul sister omg) and I have confidence that the conflict will be not only be natural but will also give more character development.

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Yukito_097FIRST Member Star(s)Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold
That Kool Guy

10 months ago

Prince of Tennis is a nice sports anime, and - if you can count it - Hikaru no Go (technically a games anime, but it's a similar vibe, so...)

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