The Language of Vampyr

Oh and btw, you find it acceptable when someone is explaining harrassment to you, to use words such as illness, and the "ignorance of the patient?"

I am apparently confused. I used myself as an example with an illness and my own ignorance as well. I thought if someone was dealing with a problem
like I was that they could find like minded people who have found ways to overcome.

Originally posted by Jonjonj
Well then, how curious. After basically being embarrassed into desisting from any and all investigations of FL, or at least the reporting and posting
of such in this thread, as it would have constituted an invasion of (FL) privacy, it seems the thread has turned into a mutual backslapping and yay
you, yay me festival.

Fortunately I have been a little sneaky and kept myself entertained immensely for the last... The Basque thread is a most
promising line of enquiry if one were to look for a loose end, as it were. Agur.

Ahhh yes, Jonjon....I have been awaiting someone from the thread like you, who would bring us back to the "essentials"...... Please, do not be run
off, for I have felt this way, too, recently, and/or it is too important what may be going on here to dismiss it on a personal level...or any other
level. So, please, do not leave the thread for those reasons, for we all get sidetracked and distracted by our personal situations, and always could
use a somewhat objective and derisive voice, as it were.......

Welcome back,
tetra50

So you believe digging into the background of members of FL's personal lives is acceptable?

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Absolutely not. Go bait someone else, abeverage. For it is clear to many that is what you are doing here. But no matter; I am through with this
thread for this reason. Nice chat we had U2U, which just shows you to be a hypocrite. I knew this was where it would go between us long ago. Bait
someone else.......I never went into anyone's background, and offered mine, honestly and willingly, while you extractred and continue to try to
extract, a price.

This is called disengenuous.

Perhaps I should have rephrased this, I apologize if you felt baited it was not my intention, perhaps I misunderstood what the "essentials" of this
thread was.

Originally posted by The GUT
Kantzveldt, with all due respect, might I ask you to provide an overview of your own rather cryptic (to me) thrust and implications of this thread?

Not a pointer to various of your offerings here at ATS. Just a concise thesis/introductory of where you are going with your threads and the whole
Sumerian angle?

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that for some reason you hesitate to openly state what you really feel and instead proffer vague statements that are
heavy on supposed inference, but seemingly light on actual, meaty, digestible content.

Are we talking Ancient Alien Theory to some extent?

Who are the good guys/bad guys when you mention Ea/Enki/Enlil/Inanna?

Do you believe the above characters actually exist as intelligent beings? If not, how could any group release the "Gallu demons" on society rather
than just in their own head/lives?

If they are not actual beings, then why would we use ancient and fragmented Sumerian myths for modern psycho-social and/or self-analysis?

What translation sources do you consider valid as far as Sumerian texts go? Have you used Sitchin for any of your source material?

No offense, sister, I'm just confused and trying to figure out what you are trying to say with all these rather baffling threads that seem to skirt
around a coherent thesis that we might use as a direction and starting point to your research.

I understand that the study of all the variables will be complex, but your thesis/pov should be clear or, if not, it would seem to indicate that it's
not even clear to yourself.

It's not only a fair question, but relates directly to your comments about FL in this thread. You've somehow tied it all together with the Sumerian
aspect, so please clarify.

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You're trying to get a handle on where Kantz is coming from, huh, Gut? LOL

I laugh, because, I've had similar questions, and have asked her via private messages to some extent without pinning her to the wall....(I was too
interested in seeing her artwork to offend her, maybe, as an artist myself. And I must say it did not disappoint, and was quite informative as to who
this person is, as well as, inspiring, and I cannot say that easily about many others.)

It IS a fair question, though, as most of Kantz's threads are about Sumerian culture and the interpretation of such.

What I find fascinating, is I've been doing some language/physics/atom structure research, and have found significant speeches by physicists as early
as 1959. I'm going to save that source, because I'm preparing my own thread on that, as kind of an extension to this one, for it directly relates
to language, quite surprisingly.

But God save her/him, for she/he has opened up a totally different and new inquiry for our minds, here, and I thank God for her for that, if for
nothing else.

This thread has changed all of us, I think, who have participated. Greater knowledge is NEVER a bad thing, in my opinion. So, whatever Kantz's
personal intentions, I decided long ago I didn't really need to know them, for she/he was propelling me into a whole perspective I had not
encountered, and my mind was sent a'searching......that cannot ever be bad, in my humble opinion.

Oh we did, absolutely, I think......I'm a pushover, anyway....anyone who knows me knows that, but you really have me rolling on the floor laughing
with that, despite my lack of vodka, now!!! LOL......

Thank you so much, Gut.....

And yes, we are certainly a sight, and a site, altogether.........
Yours always,
Tetra

The funniest thing, I think, is I am so uncomfortable, evidently, with sparkly hearts and ponies. Btw, that was Eidelon I got that from , but
she/he was right, and nailed it, at least for me.....

I wish I wasn't so jaded. But, ah, I am who I am, and I will not give in to being anything nor anyone else, nor would any of us here.....which is
why we appreciate each other, I find, daily.....
Yours,
Tetra50

Sorry, perhaps it's just me. Brotherman, that predictive language stuff you're looking at is exactly what current government alphabetic
agencies are researching. Just have an open look at any of their sites, via linguistics research, so they can determine the posters on sites like
this and others, with different screen names that are the same...... Too funny it arrives here, like this.

Second, your reply to Kantz, about what this really seems to center on: the discovery in 2005 of those artifacts in Iruna Veleia. and whether that is
a hoax or not. I found Ecuarpo's information really interesting, and buried in the thread are literal pages of conversation between
sourceable, known linguists, about this issue and as it relates to FL. This is, undoubtedly, the whole DEAL of FL and this thread. I am surprised,
frankly, you downplayed it in that way in reply to Kantz, as it is a MAJOR factor that's been uncovered here, in regards to this website and what its
intentions and the motivations for developing may have been.

However, I am grateful for your replies which led me to research Unicode, established, (ASCII) in 1968, right in the middle of Viet Nam, imagine that,
when the Burroughs Corp. was just getting deeply into quantum computing and satellite control of U.S. military weaponry systems via satellite......

Upon reading several sources about Unicode, there was a known "glitch" from the beginning, so that translation of various languages, such as Latin
(huh, imagine that) and others, would be not so spot on, so to speak. .....even French.

26.3.1. Latin Extended-A

The 128 characters in the Latin Extended-A block of Unicode are used in conjunction with the normal ASCII and Latin-1 characters. They cover most
European Latin letters missing from Latin-1. The block includes various characters you'll find in the upper halves of the other ISO-8859 Latin
character sets, including ISO-8859-2, ISO-8859-3, ISO-8859-4, and ISO-8859-9. When combined with ASCII and Latin-1, this block lets you write
Afrikaans, Basque, Breton, Catalan, Croatian, Czech, Esperanto, Estonian, French, Frisian, Greenlandic, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese,
Polish, Provençal, Rhaeto-Romanic, Romanian, Romany, Sami, Slovak, Slovenian, Sorbian, Turkish, and Welsh. See Figure 26-7.

Also, it may just be numbers being the same, but I don't think so. Our highest standard of encryption, on a personal computer today, is 128
bit......comparative here to 128 characters.....used for ASCII...

Now, I'd like to say something about what I see as "judgements" from FL as to Basques and "Indo-Europeans," as a political, and nationalistic goal
seems to be hiding herein.
Does no one else find it ironic that the linguists on this site are bashing the Basque for not providing full translations of their languages and
dialects, while trying to develop and "anti-language" they describe for use within groups of dissimilar people who won't understand, except for
them?

And you find nothing disengenuous or worrisome about motivations, here?
Tetra

I saw you called me out, this is just where my studies have taking me I am trying to understand the language of vampyre only I do not think it is what
others think, I would say that if collectively you would find more strange and estoric knowledge and insight on ATS in comparison difference is you
can read it in english, I am interested mostly in how and what they post and how they do it the information extracted is only a bonus for me. I do not
mean to down play anything but by saying this is dull for me is in some cases even worse I did say before and will say again it is the language that
interests me most not demons, bull#, gods, or anything else this information comes when I find it this becomes interesting not pre determined thoughts
no one here can read what they say to each other all these themes and everything else to me are not my focus has not been for awhile. To end I am
interested in the language not everything else, however I do not deny it exists, please do not argue about my interests.

regards to alpha agencies and linguistics research who says I have not looked into it or have not been familiar for quite some time. Also you should
look into in your line of thought into the cyz-10 device as I have been told and heard by gospel by key board warriors 128 bit is the highest
encryption while at the same time it has been shown here that a damn web site has for the most part been un-encoded. I am interested in this alone the
info I read I chose not to present as sometimes for me when meaning is uncertain maybe my mouth (fingers) should stay un involved in such things.
People talk about lots of stone artifacts and all kinds of other things, I am saying I simply disagree sometimes

Just me and my ink pen...... I wonder how many atoms it would take to get that on a pinhead.....or Kantz's art for that matter.......or
anyone's.....or the information of our lives, etc....each, unique and separate, not meant to be absorbed or assimilated by another, but to exist just
as it is.

the cyz-10 device as I have been told and heard by gospel by key board warriors 128 bit is the highest encryption while at the same time it has been
shown here that a damn web site has for the most part been un-encoded.

Umm, yeah, that was my whole point, actually, but thanks for the clarification.....

I just posted a piece of very primitive art, mine, yes.....I found it pertinent to this thread, for reasons of language and pain and art: I.e., I
was writing in my journal, ran out of words, and this is what resulted......

So Bybyots, yes we can learn and get a lot of creativity from breaking something: language, stressing those who are trying to speak......and would
you want to discuss the specificities of what it takes to get to that?

This is my interest, in FL, really..... I know, intimately, what it is to be "broken" just like you descibe, and yes, certainly, one can learn and
create a lot from it......the brokenness....but would I go through it again to creat this crap........no, sorry, don't think so. And, personally, I
think there's a whole lot more than that going on here, as per language, images, triggers, and cultures that will not go along with the current quid
pro quo.....JMHO.....
Tetra50

I only posted this " art" bc it has the essentials in this thread: language, running out of it, and drawing a picture, on pure notebook paper....

That's what you get when you smash my atoms together, at least. Ha Ha.....not so funny, sometimes I cry and sometimes i draw it, when I can't write
it......

sorry to get so personal, but it's a direct example of why this thread resonates with me as it does......I know that woman, and I know her pain...I
could not longer "write it with language," but I surrounded her with it on purpose, and then visualized her......just like me, and so many friggin
others.......
Tetra50

ETA: So, yes, there are some of us that would like to keep something of ourselves, and not be judged for that.....
and this is my contribution, such as it is, for this night.
Thanks for this thread, Kantz.....it has taught me much about myself, and others, though I drew that five years ago.....

I saw you called me out, this is just where my studies have taking me I am trying to understand the language of vampyre only I do not think it is what
others think, I would say that if collectively you would find more strange and estoric knowledge and insight on ATS in comparison difference is you
can read it in english, I am interested mostly in how and what they post and how they do it the information extracted is only a bonus for me. I do not
mean to down play anything but by saying this is dull for me is in some cases even worse I did say before and will say again it is the language that
interests me most not demons, bull#, gods, or anything else this information comes when I find it this becomes interesting not pre determined thoughts
no one here can read what they say to each other all these themes and everything else to me are not my focus has not been for awhile. To end I am
interested in the language not everything else, however I do not deny it exists, please do not argue about my interests.

Yes, I called you out, and perhaps this is not fair, as we do have explicitly different interests, here. And I do not wish to argue that. However, I
would question, really, your interests on that basis that they negate so much more that becomes apparent here, IMHO. And I have stated, already,what
I find apparent and all important as to FL and their intentions and motivations. If you wish to keep trying to decode their code, while they are
clearly duplicitous in their endeavors to encode while criticising those who would wish to keep their culture by not allowing direct translation
without TRUST, while they pursue an anti language that would inherently seek to provide communication amongst their "group" or "tribe" while providing
ABSOLUTELY NO translation or cross communication with others they are in the midst of.....hey, go right ahead. I can point out to you how
disengenuous this is to you, which means an inherent lie all I want and choose to warn, but those of you who will pursue on some different,
esotereic, searching for knowledge when the knowledge is designed to destroy you, will go on, if not just for the challenge, or the seduction invovled
with this website, its art, its ideas, its mystery.

I have called you out, as I saw and researched, and named what you were about quite honestly: I have researched and have personal experience with
what DARPA investigates and the conclusions and ends to which they are devoted. Understand, it's not like a CIA agent devoted to going after Bin
Laden to end Al Quaeda. It's totally different. It's the hijacking, really, of our perceptible world, to thereby control it. It is why I
distinctly believe they have in part funded FL, and hate the Basques, because there is a code therein the y cannot break, a narrative of a culture
they cannot collect.....and I WILL NOT HELP THEM DO IT, for I know very well where that will lead.

Your programs designed to extrapolate and analyze a poster, and their use of language, of specifically in the intelligence community designed, right
now, to determine, who we are who post on these websites, without our user names.

Hate to tell you, dude, but I've paid a high price already for what I know...I'm sure others have too. No doubt. So I'm not gonna be very easy on
you trying to research a program to identifiy, perhaps, whistelblowers, trying to warn.....So YEAH, I called you out on that....because that is what
those agencies are researching RIGHT NOW AND FOR THAT REASON.....and so I am suspicious of you just for that.

As for Bybyots, I don't care if it's THOM or whatever, the fact you are jazzed by breaking something to learn from it, I want really nothing to do
with that, either, for I know all too well what it is to be broken so someone can learn something.

To me, frankly, what you two are discussing, inherently, disguised behind intellectual pursuits of one or another, is the essentail quiessience of
this thread: vampyric possibilities. Breaking, sucking the life from something, in order to create somethihng else, or just see what happens
next.

Count me out, on that score......

It's not about the language anyway, really. It's about Iruna Veleia, and what was discovered there, and making that a hoax. And sorry, Brotherman,
but increasingly, you seem like someone who is here to make sure that is either disregarded or seen as a hoax, and concentrating on issues which are
of paramount interest to those who are my enemies, and for the most part, the enemy of all human interest. Sorry. That's just MHO. I mean to
disrespect no one, but call it as I see it. Someone has to, or we will be lost forever in a conundrum not solveable..... But I'm just ignorant, here
to prove what ATS is for, after all: denial...
Tetra50

This transcript of the classic talk that Richard Feynman gave on December 29th 1959 at the annual meeting of the American Physical Society at the
California Institute of Technology (Caltech) was first published in Caltech Engineering and Science, Volume 23:5, February 1960, pp 22-36. It has been
made available on the web at www.zyvex.com... with their kind permission. The scanned original is available.

It may not immediately seem to apply, but it really does....and should tell us all something about how much is being done now, just by virture of the
fact that this man said this in 1959.....
Tetra

Kantzveldt, with all due respect, might I ask you to provide an overview of your own rather cryptic (to me) thrust and implications of this thread?

Not a pointer to various of your offerings here at ATS. Just a concise thesis/introductory of where you are going with your threads and the whole
Sumerian angle?

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that for some reason you hesitate to openly state what you really feel and instead proffer vague statements that are
heavy on supposed inference, but seemingly light on actual, meaty, digestible content.

All i can really say is that i provided an opportunity here for people to consider certain activities for themselves, provided an overview in the OP
within which i would contextualize them, but respected and expected that people might draw their own conclusions, which i wouldn't challenge as long
as i felt they were dealing with all the evidence...in short this is about people figuring things out for themselves.

Are we talking Ancient Alien Theory to some extent?

Who are the good guys/bad guys when you mention Ea/Enki/Enlil/Inanna?

Do you believe the above characters actually exist as intelligent beings? If not, how could any group release the "Gallu demons" on society rather
than just in their own head/lives?

If they are not actual beings, then why would we use ancient and fragmented Sumerian myths for modern psycho-social and/or self-analysis?

What translation sources do you consider valid as far as Sumerian texts go? Have you used Sitchin for any of your source material?

Yes certainly we bring into question here extraterrestrial visitation, the Igigi, physical Celestial beings that work in conjunction with the
spiritual Anuna Deities.

Of those it is most certainly not wise to think in terms of goodies and baddies as they are each all important facets of a singular nature, there is
seemingly apparent conflict but of the sort one might perhaps expect when say air, fire and water come into contact...much mist.

It is however the case that those who have been given to follow particular aspects or generated religious factions of such Divinities find themselves
caught up in very real conflicts.

The essential nature of the Anuna Deities is intelligence.

The manner in which chaotic Demons are manifest within the human psyche is through introduction of chaotic thought patterns within the mind, the
breaking down of rationale, it's a question of intelligence or lack thereof, you see a crazy there be Demons.

I would never use Sitchin as in my opinion he was a total liability to the entire debate.

No offense, sister, I'm just confused and trying to figure out what you are trying to say with all these rather baffling threads that seem to skirt
around a coherent thesis that we might use as a direction and starting point to your research.

I understand that the study of all the variables will be complex, but your thesis/pov should be clear or, if not, it would seem to indicate that it's
not even clear to yourself.

It's not only a fair question, but relates directly to your comments about FL in this thread. You've somehow tied it all together with the Sumerian
aspect, so please clarify

There have been things that i've been needing to figure out for myself in my threads, primarily the question of the Igigi, that's always fun for me,
the spiritual aspects i am generally more definite on, but even there i've needed to explore certain nuances, so like anyone else i engage in
discussion and inquiry to increase my own understandings.

I haven't presented any Thesis as such nor shall i ever, but things really are not so complicated, and the overall purpose is toward reconciliation
and resolution.

I saw that one on your art thread, and messaged you it was actually one of my favorite's of your work, though I remain astounded at your use of
color, and mixing medias, as in the portrait of Audrey, to bring a different light through......
Your work, on the whole, is astounding, truly.
Tetra50

If you scroll down to pg.15 it's about the book of Enoch and how the Basque language is like 'god's language'

The Basque language, like the language of God, as you propose, has ZERO parallels anywhere on earth and it is considered to be entirely novel in its
origin;

It has even been suggested that, having the highest concentration of Rh-factor, Onegative blood on the planet (35% of the population), the Basques
are not entirely human. O-negative blood prevents mothers from producing more than one child if she pairs with a man of Rhpositive blood, much like
what happens when an ass is paired with a horse; the mule is sterile or produces young which cannot reproduce.

Enoch was of the seventh generation...and those guys lived nearly a millennium themselves. That provides quite a bit of time for the language to
morph.

What they were able to describe to me was that, like the ancient Hebrew your team is proposing, their language is not really capable of changing.

If you have a phonetic of a Basque word, see if it matches the Hebrew Phonetics. We did this with Arabic and for the most part, it's the same
language.

That gives a flavour and quite 'on topic' i think

Anyway back to catching up - i love this thread, best read in a long time - my heart actually beats faster as my brain fires back up again.
So many things falling into place now on so many levels.

Look, I made some "memes". I made them when I still thought that FL was anti-Basque or Iberian, or whatever. I still have no idea which side of the
fence they are on, but it seems to me now, that they are aware of some dishonesty concerning how the artifacts were treated and they are campaigning
for truth. Either way, I am grateful for having encountered the Huldras at FL.org, even though I don't understand them very well. It's been
fun trying.

Anyway, here they are, I thought they were funny as hell...

Somehow I felt that they belonged here. A monument to my misunderstanding. I learned a lot from it though

the cyz-10 device as I have been told and heard by gospel by key board warriors 128 bit is the highest encryption while at the same time it has been
shown here that a damn web site has for the most part been un-encoded.

Umm, yeah, that was my whole point, actually, but thanks for the clarification.....

I just posted a piece of very primitive art, mine, yes.....I found it pertinent to this thread, for reasons of language and pain and art: I.e., I
was writing in my journal, ran out of words, and this is what resulted......

So Bybyots, yes we can learn and get a lot of creativity from breaking something: language, stressing those who are trying to speak......and would
you want to discuss the specificities of what it takes to get to that?

This is my interest, in FL, really..... I know, intimately, what it is to be "broken" just like you descibe, and yes, certainly, one can learn and
create a lot from it......the brokenness....but would I go through it again to creat this crap........no, sorry, don't think so. And, personally, I
think there's a whole lot more than that going on here, as per language, images, triggers, and cultures that will not go along with the current quid
pro quo.....JMHO.....
Tetra50

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My point with the cyz-10 without saying anything illegal about how it is used is that 128 bit encryption isnt the whole part of the encryption there
is a 3D measure as well it isnt so black and white you need more then just the encryption to make it work right

Originally posted by tetra50
Now, I'd like to say something about what I see as "judgements" from FL as to Basques and "Indo-Europeans," as a political, and nationalistic
goal seems to be hiding herein.
Does no one else find it ironic that the linguists on this site are bashing the Basque for not providing full translations of their languages and
dialects, while trying to develop and "anti-language" they describe for use within groups of dissimilar people who won't understand, except for
them?

I think perhaps, what can be seen as their being 'judgemental' or ''prejudicial' is really just a necessarily puritanical approach.

It seems to me more about establishing a 'robust' model of a universally applicable metalanguage than anything else, based around Semantic
Primitives. Basque would be important, not only because it is a living isolate, but because the vernacular remains independent from the written
language. To establish a 'rule' of natural semanics in a metalanguage, and in order to create the required robustness, the oldest sources of
vernacular prior to standardisation would, I guess, be necessary. Sanskrit is also being studied for the same reasons, but Sanskrit became an elite
language, much like Latin did, passing out of vernacular usage, and that, therefore, limits some of it's potential for robustness due to it's death
as a vernacular language. Although the Basque language was transcribed into Latin, it has not undergone standardisation, retaining dialects.

So really, what I think they are trying to do, and I may be wrong, is to find the best language for describing all other language, hence PIE is no
good at all, it having created far too many bastardised versions of itself based on adoptionism, standardisation and integration. Their emphasis
seems to be on capturing the vernacular language as close to it first being put into script, or written form, as possible, and in turn, in seeing how
a diverse range of texts can be translated into that language without the use of standardised words and phrasing which often have little basis in
natural language development. I also think a lot of it is to identify cultural and contextual idioms, so that they can be removed in favour of
establishing literal meanings, or maybe a T-schema that can be used as a back check between translations and transliterations to ascertain where
values have been added during that process. All of which will add to the overall robustness of the resulting metalanguage, if that is the aim.

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