LOL LOL LOL !! Thank you very much... but I was born curious and I just HAVE to try and understand.

I realize that once you cross that line between this reality and "the other side" (you can call it death) you will automatically KNOW everything, but I like doing it the "hard" way.... I really enjoy trying to figure things out/trying to understand.

My mother would NOT agree with you... it drove her absolutely crazy. Nope - she didn't consider it DIVINE at all !!! LOL

I think that means you have a passion for knowledge and wisdom, and you approach the subject of theology with such an open and innocent heart.

Quoting: Rising Son

r mother seems like she may have been a victim of that same evil, and it jaded her into thinking there is no God. Just thinking...

I didn't even have to think about it - it suddenly just made sense to me. FUCK FREE WILL !!!! Our Creator will NEVER infringe upon our FREE WILL. I sooooo wish he would !!!!!!!

Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!

And did you wonder that yourself? Tried to understand it's meaning? It's logic?

What's manmade is to give it a name, that's all. It was always there. Also evil is a point of view.

And there's no free-will.

Don't worry! I added a little bit to my earlier posting:

Evil is an unfortunate byproduct of creation, but evil is also necessary in order to distinguish from that which is good. Since God is omnipresent and all-knowing, He must have planned for evil in order to sift through those souls worthy and those not. Just my thoughts..

Quoting: Rising Son

Bad things happen to us so that we understand the true goodness in our lives, not evil. Loss is necessary for gain, again not evil.

When we say evil generally speaking it refers to chaos. To all the madness, the corruption. Because nothing is evil by it's nature. "all-knowing", "he must have" don't mean a single thing it's just a make believe. It is to live a lie.

How could he planned do you really think it is simple for a soul to suffer? You say "those souls worthy" yet he created all the souls and didn't give them any choice. He or it just decided that while some souls are worthy while others are not? Is this it?

Offering heaven to those who are good and for others hell... If one believes into this then that one is blind.

Really.

And judging by how corrupted our world is and how it is going nowhere while souls suffer from this injustice this would be a sign that the one who created everything is a form of chaos itself, that it's not his test. It's his nature to bring chaos. As it always did. It's right there in front of our eyes.

The "evil" is so overwhelming that what good left is becoming a scarcity and losing all hope to gain it's light again. It's going nowhere as it came from nowhere.

Bad things happen to us so that we understand the true goodness in our lives, not evil. Loss is necessary for gain, again not evil.

When we say evil generally speaking it refers to chaos. To all the madness, the corruption. Because nothing is evil by it's nature. "all-knowing", "he must have" don't mean a single thing it's just a make believe. It is to live a lie.

How could he planned do you really think it is simple for a soul to suffer? You say "those souls worthy" yet he created all the souls and didn't give them any choice. He or it just decided that while some souls are worthy while others are not? Is this it?

Offering heaven to those who are good and for others hell... If one believes into this then that one is blind.

Really.

And judging by how corrupted our world is and how it is going nowhere while souls suffer from this injustice this would be a sign that the one who created everything is a form of chaos itself, that it's not his test. It's his nature to bring chaos. As it always did. It's right there in front of our eyes.

The "evil" is so overwhelming that what good left is becoming a scarcity and losing all hope to gain it's light again. It's going nowhere as it came from nowhere.

Quoting: Rising Son

You do not believe what I do, and that is fine. Nothing you wrote here comes close to convincing me of the validity of your point, simply because the faith I have in God originates from the spirit within me, and there are no words, actions, or inflictions that can extinguish the spirit of faith within me. Believe me, I have tested this over and over again with my mistakes and pain, and I have found truth in the deepest, darkest corners of this planet. Once you are truly immersed in the darkness, the badness, the "evil" - whatever you want to call it, only then does the light become that much clearer.

WOW !! I've always wondered where evil came from. Creation is beautiful in every way. So complex and wonderful. And then there is EVIL. That's when I finally just put it out there, and OMG.... He answered me in a voice that was almost audible !!!! And NO, I'm not schizophrenic. LOL

I didn't even have to think about it - it suddenly just made sense to me. FUCK FREE WILL !!!! Our Creator will NEVER infringe upon our FREE WILL. I sooooo wish he would !!!!!!!

I'm just posting this for the record. I'll just leave this thread and let you guys discuss it, if you want to.

Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!

Most schizophrenics don't know they're schizophrenic, even if they know the signs.And fuck free will? You want to be a slave? And if someone did indeed create us, he/she/it is responsible for the evil. Blaming it on man is a pussy move and isn't very respectable.

WOW !! I've always wondered where evil came from. Creation is beautiful in every way. So complex and wonderful. And then there is EVIL. That's when I finally just put it out there, and OMG.... He answered me in a voice that was almost audible !!!! And NO, I'm not schizophrenic. LOL

I didn't even have to think about it - it suddenly just made sense to me. FUCK FREE WILL !!!! Our Creator will NEVER infringe upon our FREE WILL. I sooooo wish he would !!!!!!!

I'm just posting this for the record. I'll just leave this thread and let you guys discuss it, if you want to.

Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!

So...where does satan come into it? like I thought satan was responsible for evil in the world, but God created satan, so what does he say about that?

The collective progress of humanity, to include it's endeavors, lives, and milestones is not God, it is Mankind. Mankind is God's Creation, just as we individually are God's Creation. However, the evil that exists within Mankind is perpetrated by the individuals within Mankind, not by God.

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Quoting: powerup

God of the bible did not create moral evil. He has however brought disaster to those who oppose hi. This is what the above quote refers to.

God did not CREATE moral evil. Nor did man.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35033288

Then what's left ? If not the Creator, and not God, and not man..... then where did it come from ????? LOL

Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!

the fallen.Ref: Enoch.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15720612

There are no "fallen angels""You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you." Ezekiel 28:15

Look around - it's Adam and his nature. Adam brought death through sin. Adam was the one who liked what the serpent said. Adam WAS NOT deceived. From Seth onwards, we are all born in his image and in his likeness until we are born again, thus enabling us to be transformed into the image and likeness of God through Jesus.

The Holy Spirit states through James that we are tempted by our own evil desires and Jesus says

“‘These people honor me with their lips,but their hearts are far from me.They worship me in vain;their teachings are but rules taught by men." and

"But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man ‘unclean.’ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what make a man ‘unclean’;"

We are all fallen in Adam's image and likeness with iniquity within our hearts and thoughts. It's why we must be born again through the Holy Spirit which transforms us from the old image into the new creation, having our mind and hearts come into complete alignment with Him and no longer with Adam. We must PUT OFF the old man because he died with Jesus - and everything that goes with Adam - sin, lusts, desires, the world, disobedience, rebellion etc.

The occult exalt their "primordial man" and reject the Saviour, Jesus Christ. They esteem all that Adam desired. They all believe that they are immortal, they all desire "hidden knowledge" and all believe that they are "divine" and "gods". Doesn't that clearly demonstrate to us about Adam and his nature? Doesn't scripture tell us that it is man who rejects God and not the other way round? We live in a world of the deceived and those being deceived because of their own evil desires and iniquity. The fallen is humanity without Jesus Christ who keep putting their "I WILL" above God's WILL Today, Buddhism and Hinduism is sweeping across every aspect of our lands because it appeals to that very inequity - millions are absorbing it's meditative self hypnosis and concluding that they are gods and immortal. They need Jesus not the adversary who appeals to their iniquity!

So, if you believe that man created evil, how is this possible when man was not created yet when the angel Lucifer decided to revolt against God?

Quoting: Watching the world

Evil is not so much a creation, as much as an intended consequence of creation, moreover free will. Just as God gave us free will, so did He give His angels in Heaven - what they chose to do with that free will was their choice, and that choice can only be made by the one making it.

"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

WOW !! I've always wondered where evil came from. Creation is beautiful in every way. So complex and wonderful. And then there is EVIL. That's when I finally just put it out there, and OMG.... He answered me in a voice that was almost audible !!!! And NO, I'm not schizophrenic. LOL

I didn't even have to think about it - it suddenly just made sense to me. FUCK FREE WILL !!!! Our Creator will NEVER infringe upon our FREE WILL. I sooooo wish he would !!!!!!!

I'm just posting this for the record. I'll just leave this thread and let you guys discuss it, if you want to.

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

I didn't even have to think about it - it suddenly just made sense to me. FUCK FREE WILL !!!! Our Creator will NEVER infringe upon our FREE WILL. I sooooo wish he would !!!!!!!

Quoting: Yes I Did !!!!

And did you wonder that yourself? Tried to understand it's meaning? It's logic?

What's manmade is to give it a name, that's all. It was always there. Also evil is a point of view.

And there's no free-will.

Don't worry! I added a little bit to my earlier posting:

Evil is an unfortunate byproduct of creation, but evil is also necessary in order to distinguish from that which is good. Since God is omnipresent and all-knowing, He must have planned for evil in order to sift through those souls worthy and those not. Just my thoughts..

Quoting: Rising Son

Bad things happen to us so that we understand the true goodness in our lives, not evil. Loss is necessary for gain, again not evil.

When we say evil generally speaking it refers to chaos. To all the madness, the corruption. Because nothing is evil by it's nature. "all-knowing", "he must have" don't mean a single thing it's just a make believe. It is to live a lie.

How could he planned do you really think it is simple for a soul to suffer? You say "those souls worthy" yet he created all the souls and didn't give them any choice. He or it just decided that while some souls are worthy while others are not? Is this it?

Offering heaven to those who are good and for others hell... If one believes into this then that one is blind.

Really.

And judging by how corrupted our world is and how it is going nowhere while souls suffer from this injustice this would be a sign that the one who created everything is a form of chaos itself, that it's not his test. It's his nature to bring chaos. As it always did. It's right there in front of our eyes.

The "evil" is so overwhelming that what good left is becoming a scarcity and losing all hope to gain it's light again. It's going nowhere as it came from nowhere.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35064681

Nothing is evil by nature? Tell that to the molested child. Tell that to the innocent railroaded to jail, who cannot get justice from a crooked official. Tell that to the 4000 babies a day murdered through child sacrifice in the US alone. What is happening is that those who conclude that "nothing is evil by nature" are slandering the character of God. These are called devils in scripture - slanderers. By equating good and evil and making no dinstinction between them, one slanders Our Creator who IS GOOD, JUST, MERCIFUL AND LOVE. One who accepts and makes no distinction between good and evil - as defined by His laws written in our hearts - is one who has not the spirit of God within them. Man has a wicked heart and thoughts. That wicked heart and thought wants to relabel what it wants to do from "evil" to "good" so that there is no conviction within his heart. Pedophiles do this - they convince themselves that their acts are actually good for the children. Read NAMBLA's writings. It's reprobate minds which will steer the other wicked into the pit.

Yes there is physical suffering in this world but it's from man. Our own iniquities fall back on our own heads. One cannot sow evil and reap good, likewise we cannot sow good and reap death and misery. But yet, society keeps thinking "but I'm a good person" and wonders why the poop is collectively hitting the fan. Instead of stopping to understand that maybe what they've defined as "good" isn't really good and what they've defined as "evil" isn't really evil - that things have been inverted - we just carry on in our perverse desires. A world which defines good based on what it perceives as good through its senses is a world that rejects the truth and goodness of God. Scripture states that His Divine Plan will demonstrate His Glory. I trust that even though I currently only understand a bit of it. But what I must continually guard myself against is this - viewing Him and His ways from a human mind. Because then I sit as god judging Him. Judea did that, and whilst they tried God and strung Him up in a public farce, little did they understand that they were the ones being judged, condemned and sentenced to destruction. The world once again stands at this same exact point -

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

Quoting: Rising Son

But there is also luck. You don't know what life has in store for you. You don't decide what you will live through. There are many outside factors that can strongly change the way of things about you and your life.

What? Like God didn't know what would happen by giving us free will? Puhleezeee! Free will gives God an excuse to wash his hands of any thing that would go wrong with his creation and also allow him to blame, destroy and torture his creations as he sees fit since it's all our fault now..

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

Quoting: Rising Son

Benefits? LOL! You sound like a prison guard who thinks that the innocent, railroaded inmates, who are being held against their will should be grateful for the roof over their head. Well, time for me to get ready and go to Church........NOT!!!

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

Quoting: Rising Son

Benefits? LOL! You sound like a prison guard who thinks that the innocent, railroaded inmates, who are being held against their will should be grateful for the roof over their head. Well, time for me to get ready and go to Church........NOT!!!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Your very life, your beating heart, each one of your experiences is a benefit. Aside from that, I find it hard to believe that there are no other benefits within your life that you could be grateful for. Regardless, for you to enjoy any of these yet claim that you were given life against your will is a moral contradiction.

"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

Wrong - God told us what He wanted us to do, and what He did not want us to do. He told us what the repercussions would be if we disobeyed and defied Him. He also told us the wonderful joy and happiness we would experience if we did as He wanted us to do. It is our choice to obey or disobey, so it is OUR choice to suffer or not to suffer. That's how much God respects us, and look at the way some of you "respect" Him...

Quoting: Rising Son

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

Quoting: Rising Son

But there is also luck. You don't know what life has in store for you. You don't decide what you will live through. There are many outside factors that can strongly change the way of things about you and your life.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35064681

I'm not sure that I believe in luck, other than predictable benefits of a life lived according to the laws of God. I have lived on the wrong side of life for a very long time, and since I chose to live in accordance with God's Laws, my life has gotten so much better. There will always be randomness, but the collective summary of your experiences I would say is directly tied to how you live your life.

"Be still, and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

Most of our choice's aren't choice's at all. We are driven to do most of the things we do good or bad. As far as free will goes, I didn't choose to be born here in the first place. All of us are here NOT because of our free will. We kinda woke up here one day in human form Huh? I suspect you think life is some precious gift don't you. May want to take a closer look at your/our situation if you aren't too fearful of the thing you worship. But then again you aren't supposed to question it are you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

You are right, our choices are usually at the end of a progression of influencing factors and external stimuli. However, each one of those factors and stimuli involved their own separate choices on your part, and if you possessed the knowledge, experience, and wisdom to make the right choice, you did so and did not suffer. Just as we would not touch a hot stove twice, neither should we do so with things that result in emotional pain.

As far as debating the free will of your existence, you negate your existence by doing so, and you do not qualify to reap any benefits of your existence, since you did not choose it. However, you are still blessed with good things in your life, despite your ingratitude for them. If you did not want this life, then why are you so willing to accept the benefits?

Quoting: Rising Son

Benefits? LOL! You sound like a prison guard who thinks that the innocent, railroaded inmates, who are being held against their will should be grateful for the roof over their head. Well, time for me to get ready and go to Church........NOT!!!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35068033

Your very life, your beating heart, each one of your experiences is a benefit. Aside from that, I find it hard to believe that there are no other benefits within your life that you could be grateful for. Regardless, for you to enjoy any of these yet claim that you were given life against your will is a moral contradiction.

Quoting: Rising Son

Since you value this place so much, you can have my part of it. I hope you and all the people like you that love the lord stay here for ever and keep having kids and teach them your lordly ways and wallow in it for as long as you like. As for me, the first chance I get to break free from this dreadful stinking shithole, I'm gone! I heard a quote the other day on here it goes something like this; "If you could reason with Religious people then there wouldn't be any religious people"... Profound statement. BTW enjoy your beliefs and benefits.

If god created us then there is no free will. Because he knows everything from start to finish. And he knows everything we will do in the future. So he can not punish us because that would be realy stupid not.

animals (unless corrupted by man) are not capable of sin, because they are one with the garden.

adam and eve ate from the tree, and so, fell from eden into this world of sin, and took humanity with them.

sins are an illusion, animals dont sin because they are totally insynched with thier dna. humanity however are not, we are out of synch with our dna, this is why we feel as we dont belong, or what are we, where we came from etc etc.