Will Irene Garza ever get justice?

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

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Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

Not looking like she'll "get justice", and that makes her no different than thousands of others who never get justice. What does it matter who they think killed her? Plenty of people are murdered and their killers allowed to walk free after a few years, or months, to kill again. How many days did "ted is dead" kennedy spend in jail after mary jo kopechne's death?

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

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Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

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Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

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For one thing, both the monk who had confirmed that he was told by a Catholic Church official that Feit was sent to the monastery was summoned as a potential grand jury witness, but the DA never called him to testify. Ditto the priest who served in McAllen when Feit did and who came forward apologetically, after decades of silence, to say that he also knew Feit had committed the murder. He was summoned but not called to take the stand and testify.

A slide viewer belonging to the priest was found with the victim in the canal where her body was dumped, as were two candlesticks that had been in the church just days earlier.

Not looking like she'll "get justice", and that makes her no different than thousands of others who never get justice. What does it matter who they think killed her? Plenty of people are murdered and their killers allowed to walk free after a few years, or months, to kill again. How many days did "ted is dead" kennedy spend in jail after mary jo kopechne's death?

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How brazenly callous and asinine of you. A decent person would wish that all murderers were brought to justice and sentenced to appropriate punishments. Only a disordered dingbat would apply the absurd reasoning that you have offered. If Ted Kennedy did not get what he deserved, that in no way means that other guilty persons should go free. If you were the relatives of the victim in this case, you would not entertain such harsh and inhumane views.

How brazenly callous and asinine of you. A decent person would wish that all murderers were brought to justice and sentenced to appropriate punishments. Only a disordered dingbat would apply the absurd reasoning that you have offered. If Ted Kennedy did not get what he deserved, that in no way means that other guilty persons should go free. If you were the relatives of the victim in this case, you would not entertain such harsh and inhumane views.

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Pointing out the obvious is in no way being callous or saying the guilty should go free. It's the opposite. I would love for all murderers to be brought to justice and sentenced appropriately, and if it wasn't for you bleeding heart liberals it would happen more often. I recently posted on my thread about the couple getting a ridiculous "sentence" for murdering their daughter by withholding medical care. There is another couple mentioned that killed TWO of their children by withholding medical care. Where's the justice for them? Face it, you wanted to take yet another shot at catholics by dragging up an old murder. Get over it, there are no telling how many cases of coc members, as with all denominations, murdering their spouses or others, and being supported and protected by their church and getting away with it. IMO only a disordered dingbat would keep digging for junk like this just to have something to make a thread so they could dig at another denomination. The coc as a whole is as crazy as ********* rats. Spend some of that energy working on them.

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

* * *

Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

If Texas is like Alabama, the family may sit in on the proceedings. Yes, their opinion is subjective, but it can still be telling.

How brazenly callous and asinine of you. A decent person would wish that all murderers were brought to justice and sentenced to appropriate punishments. Only a disordered dingbat would apply the absurd reasoning that you have offered. If Ted Kennedy did not get what he deserved, that in no way means that other guilty persons should go free. If you were the relatives of the victim in this case, you would not entertain such harsh and inhumane views.

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Pointing out the obvious is in no way being callous or saying the guilty should go free. It's the opposite. I would love for all murderers to be brought to justice and sentenced appropriately, and if it wasn't for you bleeding heart liberals it would happen more often. I recently posted on my thread about the couple getting a ridiculous "sentence" for murdering their daughter by withholding medical care. There is another couple mentioned that killed TWO of their children by withholding medical care. Where's the justice for them? Face it, you wanted to take yet another shot at catholics by dragging up an old murder. Get over it, there are no telling how many cases of coc members, as with all denominations, murdering their spouses or others, and being supported and protected by their church and getting away with it. IMO only a disordered dingbat would keep digging for junk like this just to have something to make a thread so they could dig at another denomination. The coc as a whole is as crazy as ********* rats. Spend some of that energy working on them.

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

* * *

Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

If Texas is like Alabama, the family may sit in on the proceedings. Yes, their opinion is subjective, but it can still be telling.

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In Alabama only the grand jury, the DA and the witness is allowed in the grand jury room during testimony.

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

* * *

Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

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For one thing, both the monk who had confirmed that he was told by a Catholic Church official that Feit was sent to the monastery was summoned as a potential grand jury witness, but the DA never called him to testify. Ditto the priest who served in McAllen when Feit did and who came forward apologetically, after decades of silence, to say that he also knew Feit had committed the murder. He was summoned but not called to take the stand and testify.

A slide viewer belonging to the priest was found with the victim in the canal where her body was dumped, as were two candlesticks that had been in the church just days earlier.

Semi, do you compare the passive death of anyone who didn't receive medical treatment to the aggressive violent murder? I don't; if you do fine, but I'm sure most don't.

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And this from a woman that made fun of my dead child, wanted to see the obituary as proof I wasn't lying, & accused me of talking about it all the time!!!! I feel sorry for you lady, you are a piece of work!

Oh, and she had a soul, something you don't even think your child had... How sad.

(I have never said my child did not have a soul!!)

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

I've known many women who have lost a child, including two of my friends who killed themselves. They didn't have to mention it every five seconds.

Can you link the obit of the child that died?

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Could semi, who mentions her dead child with every other breath (Cold Comfort Farm style) prove it existed?

Jenn ask you approx. 3 times what obit, what child would that be, & you finally answered with this.

“Baby's obit? I have no idea how old the alleged child was. If older than one, it wouldn't be correctly called a baby, so I certainly may have erred in that reference. Apologies if the supposed child was not a baby.”

And BTW, you seem to think if a child is older than one, it shouldn't be called a baby. News flash, lady. My Dad called me baby up until the day he died. I was in my late 30's.

Is this woman not evil, does anyone besides me not see that as evil??

Jenn was the only woman on this forum that bothered to speak up & defend me. She knew, being a Mother, how that would probably hurt me. She came out against your evilness when speaking such ugliness against a Mother that lost a child. Doesn’t matter what your reasoning was, lady, it still speaks of your evilness. And in your evilness, you attack Jenn for defending me.

I’m sure you will bring up what I was supposed to have said about your 3 dead friends that committed suicide. When you mentioned the color red, I said I had never heard of such junk, that you couldn’t wear red to a funeral.

Your friends were 3 grown women that choose to kill themselves. Nothing was more important to them than dying, not their children or husband if they had one! To kill one self is nothing more than a selfish act! My child didn’t choose to die. He didn't make the decision to die. Your great, wonderful, merciful God killed him!!

You’re about as evil as this God that you claim to love & be living for!! Now shut the hell up about me & mine!!!.

Yes, God is merciful. God did not kill your child. God kills no one. Semi, there is not one person here, I would venture, over the age of 25 or 30, who has not lost a person dear to them. Some of us have lost the dearest in the world to us, and yet we go on each day.

BTW, suicide is an act of mental illness, it's may seem selfish to those who remain behind, but those who commit suicide are not thinking of us when they do it. In other words, they don't say, "What can I do to hurt those I love?"

Yes, God is merciful. God did not kill your child. God kills no one. Semi, there is not one person here, I would venture, over the age of 25 or 30, who has not lost a person dear to them. Some of us have lost the dearest in the world to us, and yet we go on each day.

BTW, suicide is an act of mental illness, it's may seem selfish to those who remain behind, but those who commit suicide are not thinking of us when they do it. In other words, they don't say, "What can I do to hurt those I love?"

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The fact I used the word merciful was sarcastic!! And yes, he did kill my child! I don't need you or anyone else to tell me any different!! And, yes, those women were selfish! They had a brain, they knew they could have gotten help, they just didn't want it. Mental illness is terrible, there is help for it. But you do have to get off your lazy azz & go get it.

I know a lady that killed herself because her husband was having an affair. (yes, I know this, there was a note) She left two precious children that needed her because the man she claimed to love couldn't keep his pants zipped.

Just please leave me alone, Kate, I've had about all of your evilness I can handle. I've cried my last tear over your ugliness.

I can't find anything online either way, but in the cases I'm aware of, the defendant was testifying and the victim's family was allowed to hear the testimony.

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You must be talking about a jury trial and not the grand jury.

No, but actually these instances were in Mississippi, not Alabama. The families were called necessary to assist the prosecution. I have no idea how a determination could or should be made, but I would imagine that it could be loosely used in many cases?

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

* * *

Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

=======================

If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

___

For one thing, both the monk who had confirmed that he was told by a Catholic Church official that Feit was sent to the monastery was summoned as a potential grand jury witness, but the DA never called him to testify. Ditto the priest who served in McAllen when Feit did and who came forward apologetically, after decades of silence, to say that he also knew Feit had committed the murder. He was summoned but not called to take the stand and testify.

A slide viewer belonging to the priest was found with the victim in the canal where her body was dumped, as were two candlesticks that had been in the church just days earlier.

<<<McAllen, Texas (CNN) -- All evidence pointed police to one conclusion: A priest had killed a beautiful 25-year-old schoolteacher. Searchers had found the lifeless body of former Miss South Texas, Irene Garza, face down in a canal in her hometown of McAllen. She'd disappeared on the day before Easter after going to Sacred Heart Catholic Church for confession.

* * *

Questioned by police, Feit [the priest to whom Ms. Garza went for confession] failed lie detector tests. What was also suspicious was that just 24 days before the killing, Feit had been arrested for attacking another young woman at a church in a town about 10 miles from McAllen. Feit pleaded no contest to misdemeanor aggravated assault. A judge found him guilty and fined him $500 with no prison time.>>>

The current district attorney, after refusing to act for a long time, finally presented the case to a grand jury. His presentation was shabby and incomplete, apparently by design. The grand jury did not indict Feit. A new district attorney might well be in office after the next election. The case is still open and the family of Ms. Garza hopes a new DA will steadfastly pursue an indictment.

Feit still lives, in his 80s, having left the priesthood long ago. He was hustled off to a monastery shortly after Ms. Garza was killed. A monk at the monastery has stated publicly that he was told by church officials that Feit had killed a young woman. Asked why he (the monk) did not report it at that time, he responded by saying that "We did as we were told" [by the church].

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If a grand jury is confidential than how does anyone know it was a shabby and incomplete presentation?

___

For one thing, both the monk who had confirmed that he was told by a Catholic Church official that Feit was sent to the monastery was summoned as a potential grand jury witness, but the DA never called him to testify. Ditto the priest who served in McAllen when Feit did and who came forward apologetically, after decades of silence, to say that he also knew Feit had committed the murder. He was summoned but not called to take the stand and testify.

A slide viewer belonging to the priest was found with the victim in the canal where her body was dumped, as were two candlesticks that had been in the church just days earlier.

I saw a show about this case a few years ago. The only time he served was for perjury, because when asked under oath if he had killed her he said no. There's her justice. About as much justice as ron goldman and nicole brown got.

LOL Because it's catholic and slumdog will never pass up an opportunity

to slam catholics. It's his favorite thing to hate.

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BTW....will all the time he has to do this research on the Catholic Church ever wonder why he never finds scandas involving protestant churches? Or, why he never finds anything GOOD about the Catholic Church?

I am shocked at the utter hypocrisy and duplicity so amply displayed here by certain devout Catholics. You're no better than apologists for the ****s, and your church ought to be disbanded and prosecuted under RICO statutes.

Hmmm... Another new nym... I wonder what bigotted zealot created it... Could it be one who has been blocked by many?

Meanwhile, Godwin's law is hereby invoked...

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of **** Analogies or Godwin's Law of **** Analogies is an assertion made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ****s or Hitlerapproaches1." In other words, Godwin said that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler or the ****s.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of **** analogies in articles or speeches. The law is sometimes invoked prescriptively to mark the end of a discussion when a **** analogy is made, with the writer who made the analogy being considered to have lost the argument.

Instead of the the Na-zis, I could have mentioned more recent examples of how the Catholic church supported the murderous dictatorships in South America, with few exceptions, but that certainly would be lost on some individuals, the very ones I was talking about. I tried top make it simple for you. A cut-and-paste quote is the best you can do in response, at any rate.

By the way, have you seen the DA on TV? He has that chipmunk face, permanently distorted as a result of habitual lying. That's probably how some of you look like.

Instead of the the Na-zis, I could have mentioned more recent examples of how the Catholic church supported the murderous dictatorships in South America, with few exceptions, but that certainly would be lost on some individuals, the very ones I was talking about. I tried top make it simple for you. A cut-and-paste quote is the best you can do in response, at any rate.

By the way, have you seen the DA on TV? He has that chipmunk face, permanently distorted as a result of habitual lying. That's probably how some of you look like.

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Yep, it's him. Same old nastiness & evilness coming thru. I wonder if Satan whispered in his ear about the alter-ego or if he came up with it on his own?

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