This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

but this is played all year not just last 3 months, basically we're just wasting time 7-8 months

you can get dirt cheap TOTS team because hardcore players collected vast amounts of coins and everything is worth much less

But I’ve had loads of different teams throughout the year which have all been competitive. The game starts with golds, progresses with If’s, moves to specials and finishes with icons. That how I see the game. 90% of the player base does the same. And if they choose to do it a different way, that’s up to them.

Buying FP’s helps you skip parts of the progression with is fine. But that’s all it is. What advantage does that give someone other than finishing the game faster. It’s a game at the of the day unless you’re conpeting for prizes. Imo only pros need the elite players at the start. since making my end game team, I haven’t played much because I basically completed the game. I can now log on and use any card on the game pretty much except PIM Gullit and PIM R9 (that’s a completely different issue altogether).

Playing casual gives you 120k a week, even if you pack nothing in the packs discard gives you close to a mill a month. That's even without trading, what more do you want for free.

What's a casual for you? I'd love to know how a "casual" can get 120k per week just from playing. Also, 120k*4=480k≠1M.

A terrible fifa player gets:

58k (d5/R1 rivals)
30k (G3 W/League)
30k (E1 S/Battles)

Rank 1 in rivals (considering matches in weekend league too) = 40 matches per week if based on 50% win rate for a 'terrible player'.
Elite 1 in squad battles even with 41 matches played isn't easily attainable for a 'terrible player'.

Either way you're looking at 80+ matches in a week to get those rewards - 11 matches per day - 3.5 hours every day... that's more than a casual player.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

That’s a fair point but I think we want different things from the game. I want a progressive game that doesn’t require me spending money and I have to say Fifa allows that. Fifa has its faults and it’s not a football sim which is one of my dislikes but I accept it for what it is.

We all start that game that same just like every other game. Fifa is a strategy game. It doesn’t hand out cards. That’s just the way it is. It requires time to learn it. Maybe more than others but really you can learn it by looking up a few methods. I dont use anything secret. Work 8 hours a day. Go to the gym and work freelance on the side. I have 2 kids and a wife and trust me... I don’t play or trade half as much as some of my friends. I play more than other games for sure but Fifa is a hobby. Maybe my favourite hobby outside of the gym.

I get your point about having access to every card on the game 100%. Everyone should have access A month before it finishes at the very least, even if it’s in stages. Just not at the start. There should be something to work towards is what I’m trying to say. If I loaded up fortnite right now, I would lose straight away becuase I’m rubbish at it. I’ve learnt how to play Fifa.

Terrible the way fifa is going. Only the privileged can have an upper hand. Fifa points and getting the best players. Very unfair.

Lol no it’s not u can easily get 2-300k per week just from playing games without even packing a decent player
if your lucky and actually pack someone from rewards I can get a lot more
No fifa points needed

Terrible the way fifa is going. Only the privileged can have an upper hand. Fifa points and getting the best players. Very unfair.

Lol no it’s not u can easily get 2-300k per week just from playing games without even packing a decent player
if your lucky and actually pack someone from rewards I can get a lot more
No fifa points needed

No, not easily (you have to grind)...but you can.

I’d agree. 200k for a average player is very good grinding personally bare in mind the amount of loses they will take.

Realistic goals are the key. I dont have time to play all the modes so I split it up equally. 5-6 wins SB, 11-14 wins on WL and top up DR to R2. That does ok. I then take Untradables and use anything good and recycle the rest on sbcs for more rewards. Usually end up around that figure before some safe trading.

If I pack something good it’s a bonus but I’m not complaining. That’s what I have time for. That’s the game I play.

You know what? If everyone would have free access to players, we would have a thread named "I am bored, too many God squads" in the first week of the game. FUT is not a game, it's a game MODE. If you want free access to all the players, go and play career mode or online seasons. If you want the special players and the Icons, you will have to be patient and work for them.

If you want a team instantly it’s true but if you are prepared to trade & wait a little any team can be obtained

But but but.... I want everything right now! And I want it given to me!

More like: "We Will take your money...and wont fix any issues in the game, Will give you some shiney cards if you give us more money, cards Will expire in cca 10 months and then you can give us more money for glorified patch that most likely still does not fix any issues the game has. ...and dont you Dare complain about it, you bunch of "freeloaders"."

P.s.
And Just to make sure you dont use grade to much se Will use captcha every 15 minutes, to make sure you are not a robot (even when logged into console)...and if that does not work and you are still trading a lot we Will abuse you of Tos breach and wipe your coins...you can open a case and when (if) cucssesful you Will get them back in cca 6 months with apology...or something among those Linea.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

That’s a fair point but I think we want different things from the game. I want a progressive game that doesn’t require me spending money and I have to say Fifa allows that. Fifa has its faults and it’s not a football sim which is one of my dislikes but I accept it for what it is.

We all start that game that same just like every other game. Fifa is a strategy game. It doesn’t hand out cards. That’s just the way it is. It requires time to learn it. Maybe more than others but really you can learn it by looking up a few methods. I dont use anything secret. Work 8 hours a day. Go to the gym and work freelance on the side. I have 2 kids and a wife and trust me... I don’t play or trade half as much as some of my friends. I play more than other games for sure but Fifa is a hobby. Maybe my favourite hobby outside of the gym.

I get your point about having access to every card on the game 100%. Everyone should have access A month before it finishes at the very least, even if it’s in stages. Just not at the start. There should be something to work towards is what I’m trying to say. If I loaded up fortnite right now, I would lose straight away becuase I’m rubbish at it. I’ve learnt how to play Fifa.

I like progressive games. Keeps it fun.

BUT

FUT is on a 1 year game cycle, so in the grand scheme of things, what is the point? By the time you get the team you want the next game is released and your back to square 1.

It's all pointless.

Let people get the "ultimate team" by jan/feb so you have it long enough to enjoy it.

I dont want cards handed out but think we should grind towards players instead of packs and coins.

Example, score 400 goals in online games with Portuguese players to get untradeable NIF Ronaldo.

Keep 200 clean sheets to get NIF untradeable De Gea

Better players will achieve these quicker. Traders can still trade, spenders can still spend but people who buy the game for football can still work towards the "ultimate team" without it being their life.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

That’s a fair point but I think we want different things from the game. I want a progressive game that doesn’t require me spending money and I have to say Fifa allows that. Fifa has its faults and it’s not a football sim which is one of my dislikes but I accept it for what it is.

We all start that game that same just like every other game. Fifa is a strategy game. It doesn’t hand out cards. That’s just the way it is. It requires time to learn it. Maybe more than others but really you can learn it by looking up a few methods. I dont use anything secret. Work 8 hours a day. Go to the gym and work freelance on the side. I have 2 kids and a wife and trust me... I don’t play or trade half as much as some of my friends. I play more than other games for sure but Fifa is a hobby. Maybe my favourite hobby outside of the gym.

I get your point about having access to every card on the game 100%. Everyone should have access A month before it finishes at the very least, even if it’s in stages. Just not at the start. There should be something to work towards is what I’m trying to say. If I loaded up fortnite right now, I would lose straight away becuase I’m rubbish at it. I’ve learnt how to play Fifa.

I like progressive games. Keeps it fun.

BUT

FUT is on a 1 year game cycle, so in the grand scheme of things, what is the point? By the time you get the team you want the next game is released and your back to square 1.

It's all pointless.

Let people get the "ultimate team" by jan/feb so you have it long enough to enjoy it.

I dont want cards handed out but think we should grind towards players instead of packs and coins.

Example, score 400 goals in online games with Portuguese players to get untradeable NIF Ronaldo.

Keep 200 clean sheets to get NIF untradeable De Gea

Better players will achieve these quicker. Traders can still trade, spenders can still spend but people who buy the game for football can still work towards the "ultimate team" without it being their life.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

That’s a fair point but I think we want different things from the game. I want a progressive game that doesn’t require me spending money and I have to say Fifa allows that. Fifa has its faults and it’s not a football sim which is one of my dislikes but I accept it for what it is.

We all start that game that same just like every other game. Fifa is a strategy game. It doesn’t hand out cards. That’s just the way it is. It requires time to learn it. Maybe more than others but really you can learn it by looking up a few methods. I dont use anything secret. Work 8 hours a day. Go to the gym and work freelance on the side. I have 2 kids and a wife and trust me... I don’t play or trade half as much as some of my friends. I play more than other games for sure but Fifa is a hobby. Maybe my favourite hobby outside of the gym.

I get your point about having access to every card on the game 100%. Everyone should have access A month before it finishes at the very least, even if it’s in stages. Just not at the start. There should be something to work towards is what I’m trying to say. If I loaded up fortnite right now, I would lose straight away becuase I’m rubbish at it. I’ve learnt how to play Fifa.

I like progressive games. Keeps it fun.

BUT

FUT is on a 1 year game cycle, so in the grand scheme of things, what is the point? By the time you get the team you want the next game is released and your back to square 1.

It's all pointless.

Let people get the "ultimate team" by jan/feb so you have it long enough to enjoy it.

I dont want cards handed out but think we should grind towards players instead of packs and coins.

Example, score 400 goals in online games with Portuguese players to get untradeable NIF Ronaldo.

Keep 200 clean sheets to get NIF untradeable De Gea

Better players will achieve these quicker. Traders can still trade, spenders can still spend but people who buy the game for football can still work towards the "ultimate team" without it being their life.

That’s not a bad idea tbf. I’d like to achieve my main targets via gameplay.

I understand what you’re saying about a 1 year game cycle. It’s sucks if you’ve got to the end and not had an opportunity to make your ultimate team. I think jan/Feb is a little early imo but it’s only my opinion and I have the advantage of being as good as I need to be. I’m not greedy. I dont compete although of course I like winning. I think I manage my time ok and don’t spend too long on Fifa. I only trade and play to get what I set out to get at the start.

But as I said, Ive Always been of the opinion that everyone should be able to access any player in the later stages of the game even if it undos the work I’ve done.

I think FUT should be a subscription mode/game where your progress is continuous like an mmo, Was never a fan of restarting every year. But that poses its own problems as well

I think it would lose a lot of customers. Maybe only me but I dont buy into subscription gaming. It’s a game and I want to play when I want. I don’t want to play because I’m paying. Maybe it filters me out. I can’t say if it would be good or bad.

As I said earlier in the thread, the REAL problem with FUT is the removal of any kind of SQUAD TIER SYSTEM.

The game could be for everyone. For those that grind hundreds of hours, or spend ££££ to attain the best cards. And for those that play less and have cheap golds, or those that want to play bronze or silver.

All we have now is GOLD ONLY and with the plethora of special cards on offer this soon becomes almost exclusively SPECIAL CARD ONLY.

EA made the game like this solely to increase pack sales. They've manipulated your choices of what players you use by limiting the platforms in which you can use them.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

No one is saying it doesn’t take time. It just doesn’t take as much time as you think. Maybe at first but soon it becomes easy. Every game takes time to hit the top rank. Fifa is no different.

If I load up another game right now, I will be bottom of the pile... why? Because I’ve not played it much. I dont expect to get good at something unless I play it. Trading is the same. Gameplay is the same.

FUT takes time to learn, just like any other game but when you get to grips with it, you can have all your weekends free. I spend all mine with my family and still play Fifa. No so much WL anymore but you don’t have to. It’s a choice. I have maybe one for the best teams in Fifa and I have it 3 months ago without spending a penny.

You are missing the point.

I dont really play Fortnite. But if I played it right now, i wouldnt enter the game with ANY disadvantage.

Noobs, hardcores and pro's all start the same. The way a competetive game should be.

All players in Fut should be available to everyone through playing the game...you know...football. I shouldnt have to switch on my PS4 and pretend im wolf of wall street so i can buy a TOTS player in 2 months time.

That’s a fair point but I think we want different things from the game. I want a progressive game that doesn’t require me spending money and I have to say Fifa allows that. Fifa has its faults and it’s not a football sim which is one of my dislikes but I accept it for what it is.

We all start that game that same just like every other game. Fifa is a strategy game. It doesn’t hand out cards. That’s just the way it is. It requires time to learn it. Maybe more than others but really you can learn it by looking up a few methods. I dont use anything secret. Work 8 hours a day. Go to the gym and work freelance on the side. I have 2 kids and a wife and trust me... I don’t play or trade half as much as some of my friends. I play more than other games for sure but Fifa is a hobby. Maybe my favourite hobby outside of the gym.

I get your point about having access to every card on the game 100%. Everyone should have access A month before it finishes at the very least, even if it’s in stages. Just not at the start. There should be something to work towards is what I’m trying to say. If I loaded up fortnite right now, I would lose straight away becuase I’m rubbish at it. I’ve learnt how to play Fifa.

I like progressive games. Keeps it fun.

BUT

FUT is on a 1 year game cycle, so in the grand scheme of things, what is the point? By the time you get the team you want the next game is released and your back to square 1.

It's all pointless.

Let people get the "ultimate team" by jan/feb so you have it long enough to enjoy it.

I dont want cards handed out but think we should grind towards players instead of packs and coins.

Example, score 400 goals in online games with Portuguese players to get untradeable NIF Ronaldo.

Keep 200 clean sheets to get NIF untradeable De Gea

Better players will achieve these quicker. Traders can still trade, spenders can still spend but people who buy the game for football can still work towards the "ultimate team" without it being their life.

This is how they have done it in other games like MLB: the Show. You use the players you earn to fill objectives, which allow you to obtain a better version of that player.

This game is 100% pay to win. You pay with either huge amounts of money or time.

I thougt I had a good team. This week I used the loan TOTY CR7 and TOTY Mbappe...

Now i realise my team is average.

The TOP players pretty much do everything for you and these cant be obtained by 99% of people.

Its your choice if you want to have a good team or not. You can use that time to grind out coins in fifa or be rich in real life. You can work hard in real life to buy a FP or trade in game.
I just dont get why do you think you will have a great team in FUT if you dont work hard for it.

If you dont want the progression throughout the season from golds to icons then FUT is not the mode you should be playing. Seasons would be the better mode. You don't need to spend money to be competitive, but you do need to spend time. That's fine with me.

You need the best cards in the game to see who really has skills playing the game. I say just get rid of Fifa Points. Then everyone has more of a chance to show how good they are at the game. I know some players who love fifa would probably beat some of these 'pros'

You just keep linking the same article. It gets boring especially considering people showed enough anecdotal evidence for you to atleast consider being a bit more diverse than just copy and pasting the same article for the 10th time.

You need the best cards in the game to see who really has skills playing the game. I say just get rid of Fifa Points. Then everyone has more of a chance to show how good they are at the game. I know some players who love fifa would probably beat some of these 'pros'

Why are people saying you could earn money instead? Many people play this after work or instead of going out drinking or so.

Would love to meet the guy who comes home after work only to "earn more real life money". Some people treat this game way too much like the equivalent of a job instead of acknowledging it as the hobby it is. Time consuming sure, but a hobby nontheless.

This, and the fact that many people like me enjoy trading and doing sbcs at the start of the game to get coins so don't see it as a hard chore just something to do when I have free time. Before Fifa 20 even comes officially out without spending a penny, you could easily have 200-300k from the advanced sbcs + doing some of the best value league sbc squads , + selling your loyalty packs and claiming your daily rewards. Earn 60k a week coin wise from playing quite casually + abit of trading and you could easily be on a mill about 6 weeks in and that's if you don't play that much or aren't that good at the game,