cman:Karac: freak7: mitchcumstein1: It's freedom of religion, not freedom to be an asshole

People have a right to be against homosexuality for any reason, including religion.

Yes, they have that right. But if they choose to exercise that bigotry in public, and in an official capacity, while working for an organization with a stated order to not harass people because of their sexual orientation ... well, then they should expect to have some problems at the office.

Then there is the other problem: POLITICS HAVE NO PLACE IN THE MILITARY

You should not ask and you should not tell.

"Sergeant: harassment on the basis of homosexuality is no longer allowed in the US military. If you are ordered to investigate such harassment, can you follow that order, or will your religious beliefs prevent you from fulfilling your sworn duties?"

You know what - that sounds to me like an excellent question that should be asked.

And as for telling: heterosexuals have 'told' their sexual orientation for the entirety of the existence of the military. They 'told' it every time they brought a date down to the e-club, or took their girlfriend to an official function, or put a picture of their wife on their desk. Why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to do the same?

HairBolus:NuttierThanEver: Yeah the reports of Airmen being forced to attend "nondenominational" but obviously fundie protestant church services or face a verbal reprimand from Commanding officer is just bullshiat http://www.truth-out.org/archive/item/91383:troops-punished-after-ref u sing-to-attend-evangelical-concert

A lot of people don't understand what "nondenominational" means and think it is something like "all-denominational" - vague enough to be acceptable to all Christian denominations including Catholics and Mormons and maybe even outsiders like Jews or Muslims.

"nondenominational" means not affiliated with any denomination. Most mega churches are "nondenominational" which means they can make up whatever crazy theology they want without it being the accepted teachings of any denomination, and more importantly they get to keep all of their money and don't have to contribute to a parent organization.

Avoid "nondenominational" because they are often crazy and out to take your money.

This. I know from extensive personal experience that "non-denominational" almost always means crazy fundamentalists. The vast majority of the big college campus Christian groups claim to be non-denominational but are actually strict, the Bible must be taken completely literal, fundi nutbags.

Karac:And as for telling: heterosexuals have 'told' their sexual orientation for the entirety of the existence of the military. They 'told' it every time they brought a date down to the e-club, or took their girlfriend to an official function, or put a picture of their wife on their desk. Why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to do the same?

because it is icky! damn gay people, wanting to be treated like normal folks!

/my brother posted this on facebooks a few days ago. i posted back "yeah, it's getting hard to be a bigot these days".