This day is two-fold, combining the suggestion for a Youth Day (where youth and adults would change roles) with a suggestion for a day of ceremonial training. For this day, youth will be adults and adults will be youth. The youth will set up and conduct a ceremony while attempting to explain enough to their advisers so they think everything is safe.

Please note that for purposes of this day adults are aged 20 and less, while youth are 21 and over.
Adults will have to set rules for the youth, i.e. bed times, buddy plan, no electricity in latrines,
etc.

Special effects in Winter must be done with care. Setting up the W's could be very difficult. Try wrapping 150 wire connections with frozen hands. Perhaps we will be able to do a few exciting things at Winter Camp that will inspire the real ceremonies. I would also like to see 1 or 2 totally new effects.

Actaully, that post was meant for the year round program, it wasn't until I submitted the post that I realized I was in the WC XXIII section. I thought it was a "wall" for ceremonies discussion (hint hint)

The youth as in the chapter or the youth as in the wintercamp ones........I would think and hope it would be tthe chapter youth so that the ceremony team's stuff doesn't just come from wintercamp (since after all it benefits our whole chapter).....if is the decision of the chapter youth........that is easily taaken care of at November's chapter meeting.

Answers and observations:Steve: we will if the youth decide we do. My guess is that we willTom and Dave: your generosity is appreciated, but would probably be put to better use in our year-round program rather than just for Winter CampW's are fine, but we need to do some work ahead of time. Additionally, snow on the face might make them inordinately difficult. Setting up all three seems like overkill in any event. One should be sufficient for our purposes...

Well, if we don't I suggest starting a fund for it. I'll make the first donation of $50. I figure if everyone one the ceremonies team (or who ever wants to for that matter) chips in a few bucks or more every month to a fund then we would have the money needed to buy things like wax, and keep all the costumes in good condition plus get things we might think would be cool for the ceremony.

I like the idea of doing the WWW's. We haven't done it since the spring of '92 if I'm not mistaken. So it's due for it's return.

Perhaps you don't realize that Jeff ran the adults when he was a youth.
So I don't see this role-reversal as any different.
Just roll with it...I'm willing to be that Jeff has some *special* ideas that he will furnish you with...

I am willing, for the sake of responsibility, to hold onto the restricted box (since I have a dual role as an adult and a youth..kind of). Another point of order, Jeff, you may wwant to contact your advisor for he has some very good suggestions on a lot of the day if you want some help planning it. Email me for his phone number or email me with yours (he can use my phone card I suppose).

The adults should be concerned about what Jeff does with the restricted box.
He may seem like a responsible Council Executive, but you should be concerned when you realize where they originated.
I think self igniting candles/fire/candidates may be more of a reality than you think...

No, that's not a typo - since this day is reversed, Jeff *is* the youth and Mike *is* the adviser.

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