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oh shit I almost forgot this one too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_baby_woodrose we had been using the morning glories for a while and then Tim ordered these things from the internet! They worked great! Much better than eating a shit load of morning glory pods/seeds. You only need to eat a few of these woodrose seeds, and they work very well.

No, in my position I hear about all of the latest fads and tricks. (Jenkem anyone?)

It's also in the Anarchist Cookbook. But from what I've heard if you make a tea out of it, from its pure form, it has some hallucinogenic properties. But no, I've not tried it.

Nothing in the Anarchist cookbook is ever worth listening to, ever.

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"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

No, in my position I hear about all of the latest fads and tricks. (Jenkem anyone?)

It's also in the Anarchist Cookbook. But from what I've heard if you make a tea out of it, from its pure form, it has some hallucinogenic properties. But no, I've not tried it.

Nothing in the Anarchist cookbook is ever worth listening to, ever.

This is very correct. Nutmeg, while a psychoactive drug, will send you on a 3 day deleriant trip that very few people come back from feeling good about what they just did with themselves. I only attempted it once, and ended up with a threshold "whoah" sort of feeling and my short term memory was severely messed with. And the anarchist cookbook also spouts bullshit like saying banana peels contains some crazy psychedelic called "bananadine".

As far as "tripping balls off of plants you totally wouldn't have thought were psychedelic" goes, I've had some success with coleus blumei (yes, the plant in lots of backyards). Make a quid with some leaves and chew like crazy, holding in the juices as long as you can stand, and you get a mild, dreamy trip. The Mazatec, the people who started using s. divinorum for tripping, used it a bit. The only problem with it is that there's a shitload of very similar looking varieties of coleus, they're crossbred a lot with each other (as all ornamental plants are), and there's only one that will do anything psychoactive.

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As I understand it, those who suffer problems from the use of LSD are those who have underlying mental problems in the first place, and do not use it as part of a structured therapy routine with professional and experienced practitioners.

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"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

Mantis is cool, and you have links and stuff so I'm sure he wont mind.

But yes, its hard to say since we have to work with stats from the 60s or among habitual drug users (neither of which are very reliable) but it does seem to be the case that LSD is not dangerous unless you were going to have a psychotic break anyway. All LSD does is replicate how the brain works with a few of the buffers down anyway, it makes sense that problems would be deeper-seated.

Richter and Cram might know more, I know both of them are pretty knowledgeable about psychology.

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"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before

speaking as a person who at one time had a very long and intense affair with LSD, i can say that the "flashbacks" are much exaggerated. they happen, but it isn't like falling into a random 8-hour trip all over again. also, i'm pretty sure neither of my children were born with any defects, physical or otherwise. as for long-term "effects," i think what they mean is that by taking LSD repeatedly and with the intent to expand your perception, you have a higher risk of not falling for their bullshit all the time, which is a problem, but not for the user.

There is a massive problem with silent data here. Because, lets be honest, the only time an LSD user is likely to show up on the mental health services radar is because they are having problems coping. People who dont have problems with LSD, aren't counted, because taking LSD is illegal and there is no way to quantify the overall population.

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"The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before? Only the Logos allows one to mitigate that slavery. Only knowing the sources of thought and action allows us to own our thoughts and our actions, to throw off the yoke of circumstance."- R. Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before