>betraying Madoka, her hope, and her love>enslaving all life in the universe>tormenting her friends who not moments before risked their lives to save her>jeopardizing the stability of the world>destroying Madoka's afterlife>brainwashing Madoka to keep her in a cage

>>102284735
Seeing Homura suffer gives me the greatest pleasure I have ever felt. Just thinking about how Madoka can torture her for all eternity brings a smile to my face. Imagine Homura realizing the girl she gave everything for hated her guts, and wanted vengeance against her for her actions in Rebellion. Imagine the other girls joining in the fun and releasing all the pent up hatred they had for that rotten bitch. Even Kyubey, who normally wouldn't care about bullying, would endorse it, since he could collect vast amounts of grief from Homura's crushed soul. And, after Homura has given up the will to live, she can be teased by showing her happy dreams of everyone getting along, only to be woken up by the harsh reality that she's a failure hated by all. This sight is the most beautiful thing in the world.

>>102287776
But can she>save all magical girls through hope like Madoka>save the world through love like Homura>give her life to save and protect her friend like Kyouko>fuck every single man on earth until her soul gem turns white like Sayaka

>>102287171>I feel even worse.
Here, something from the game.
When they were together Kyouko won a teddy bear for Mami, when Kyouko goes to visit Mami's apartment after she dies, Kyouko finds the teddy bear in her room, Kyouko then put the teddy bear in Mami's tomb that she make in her father's church.

>>102287905
Mami is nice to Moemura and she completely ignores her, Mami is nice to Madoka and she don't try to revive her, not even once, Mami is nice to Sayaka and when she need it more Sayaka just turns her back, the only one that really care about Mami was Kyouko and they threw out the window that relationship in the movie.

>>102288853
Originally Kyouko was the first friend of Mami, in the movie her first friend was Bebe, Mami and Kyouko are just coworkers or acquaintances, their interaction during the movie don't suggest otherwise.

>>102288758
Like Urobuchi says, Mami's loneliness is widely exaggerated. Her interactions with the others are not shown because they are not essential to the narrative. That's also the reason why she names her attack and no one else does; it helps establish the narrative frame of the classical mahou shoujo world, before it's subverted by her death.
Mamifags calm your tits. She's the leader of the Quintet and everyone admires her grace, power, skill, and confidence. Her win over Homura cements her as strongest normal meguca. etc.

>>102289234
That's just in the dream world, Nagisa needed a place to stay as a sleeper agent of the Law of Cycles. There's no reason to believe they didn't know each other in the past in the real world.

>>102289302>Like Urobuchi says, Mami's loneliness is widely exaggerated.
Based Urobuchi for saying that. Fuck, the fanbase exaggerates the fuck out of that. Just like how they exaggerate, well, everything actually.

>>102289259
They don't really give any reason to feel sorry for Nagisa or make up for what she did, I know you can't blame a witch for what they do but the death of Mami has a strong image and they really don't do anything to get that image out of your head and instead they simply show you her murderer right in your fucking face while she has that stupid grin.

>>102288892>apparently naive and clueless about sex, as the rest of the girls>fathers died when she was a little girl, few chances to none of being told anything about the subject from them>almost no contact or real conversation with girls her age, let alone boys>gave up almost everything a normal girl would do to concentrate in her role as a meguca>"wait, she has big titties">automatically a tiger in the bedroom

I am not saying she necessarily would be a mess neither, but stating a thing like that?

>>102289302>She's the leader of the Quintet and everyone admires her grace, power, skill, and confidence.
You should realize that this is a burden to Mami, she wants friends and when everyone see her as this perfect magical girls, they just make it more difficult for her. That was big part of the point of TDS.

>>102290821
But she must take charge. She is the most experienced out of all the girls, at least till Sayaka takes the lead.
Following someone doesn't mean ignoring her flaws or considering that person perfect.

>>102291904>they're all dykes.
Not really.>It's perhaps derogatory but not degrading at all.
Yeah it is. That's what it means to be derogatory, retard. You can call a black guy a nigger or you can call him black. They mean the same thing but one is just a disrespectful way of saying it. Same with lesbian and dyke, dyke being the negative term.

>>102285861
A childish, but possibly twisted personality to a lonely figure that all too easily seems like would spoil her. Which is what drove me to write vore, smell, and cheese fucking fanfics about the two of them.

Really though, she was the witch who killed and ate Mami. Then she got paired up with her officially as a loli. The stories wrote themselves at that point. The fact she loves cheese and that Mami is the cheese only exacerbates the matter.

Honestly though I like her a lot. Her fighting style and design was pretty cool in the movie.

>>102292048
Because it seems like most of the persistent posters in Madoka threads are just yurifags from /u/. You know, people who just want to see Madoka and Homura fuck and don't really care about the show. People from Sakura Trick threads who throw around terms like Hetshit and Haremshit. You know the faggots I'm talking about.

>>102291904
The only people close to being dykes are Sayaka and Kyouko. Homura is too loony to be able to justifiably say whether she actually loves Madoka like a lover or a sister or whatever and isn't just obsessed with her to the point of idolizing her like a golden calf, and Madoka has yet to show any feelings for Homura beyond that of close friends. Syaka and Kyouko at least are living together and talk about how much the other means to them while holding hands blushing.

>>102292896>Well, she was the original magical girl.
hahahaha lets just forget the millions of years that Magical Girls existed.>She's got the strongest magic.
Not even out of the five that we mostly follow.>She's the most mature and polite.
topkek>She's naturally caring.
So is Madoka, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Homura.>Why wouldn't she be the leader?
Why would she be?

she was forced to endure the unendurable in timeloop after timeloop, only to be denied the fulfillment of her wish and rewarded with abandonment in a world where madoka had been forgotten by almost everyone else.

with the final insult that the incubators laid at her feet creating the opportunity, it is only natural that homura should reach out to seize what was rightfully hers.

>>102293042>hahahaha lets just forget the millions of years that Magical Girls existed.
She was a magical girl before homu, syaka, madoka, or kyouko.
Kyouko was next.>Not even out of the five that we mostly follow.
Maybe kyouko holds a candle, but Mami can summon infinite guns and use the ribbons.
Homu has weak time magic, Sayaka has at most one or five swords and JUSTICE, madoka is only godlike because of homura's shenanigans. Otherwise she would just have magic bow.>topkek
she makes tea and cake for everyone, faggot.>So is Madoka, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Homura.>Homura

>>102293234>She was a magical girl before homu, syaka, madoka, or kyouko.
Kyouko was next.
That doesn't make her the original faggot. >Maybe kyouko holds a candle, but Mami can summon infinite guns and use the ribbons.
Faggot Mami can't break the Isolation Field that Bowmura and Madoka broke easily. >she makes tea and cake for everyone, faggot.
Yeah and while every other girl is struggling for someone they love Mami just wished to stay alive.

>>102293042>>102293393
It's unfair to compare a regular meguca with goddesses and demons, anon. She can beat Homu before she fills in Madoka's place in the universe. Bowmura likely has some or all of Madoka's power at that point.

>>102293234
Caring for Madoka exclusively, in a weird, obsessive, autistic way, is still caring.

>>102293234
Her experience makes her the most adept for being the leader, Kyouko being second but only Sayaka beats her when she stops pretending to don't remember anything.
She also shows being pretty cunning and long-sighted before and at the end of her fight with Homura.

>>102293393
Isolation field that Mami hit the shit off with her keki canon

>>102293501
We don't see nearly enough of her, but she's very strong up until she becomes a witch. Even then she's ridiculously overpowered and it took 2 megucas, 2 meguca-witch hybrids, and a goddess to get her witch under control. She reproduced the entire city in her barrier, and her Clara dolls alone are supposed to be powerful enough to be a match for megucas.

>>102294036>why would you assume he was talking about the countless, nameless, faceless other magical girls that nobody ever talks about, ever?
Because I'm assuming he's retarded, retard. This is insane. No wait, I don't mean it's insane. I mean it the opposite of insane. Fuck off.

>>102294179
Guess you shouldn't have assumed he was retarded. Made sense to everyone else.
Whatever Mami is, she certainly isn't the opposite of the very first (or original, as you are describing it in this context) meguca. So your last little quip doesn't make much sense.

>>102294523>Made sense to everyone else.
Speak for yourself, faggot. Mami is the original Magical Girl means Mami is the original Magical Girl. Mami is the original of the five main Magical Girls means Mami is the original of the five Magical Girls. These statements mean different things and to expect people to assume you mean the latter when you said the former is retarded like you. Retard. Kill yourself.

>>102294835>Well, technically I was speaking for...
Only one of those posts are even talking about the original shit. Fuck, even if there were more posts on your side, what is this shit? Youtube?>I GOT DA MAJORITY ON MY SYD IM RIGHT
Not the way it works, faggot.>You sure are a stickler for syntax and semantics, anon.
No I'm just not retard. Besides, only retards waste money on /lit/ degrees.

>>102295036>No I'm just not retard. Besides, only retards waste money on /lit/ degrees.
But, anon, the whole reason you got worked up was over the meaning of the word 'original'.
That's literally semantics.

And you are really worked up right now.
At least try to think of some more entertaining insults other than 'retard'. This is getting boring.

>>102294986>I wish I could live with her
There's a special kind of harem where there is little to no romantic interest involved but you all live in the same house and hang out.
Mami is definitely part of that.Along with Hidamari's Hiro and Joshiraku's Teto.

>even if she's physically 14, she's somewhere in her 20s>her innocence is long gone either way, so there's no chance of corrupting a naive little girl>sexiest meguca>best hair>prettiest eyes>best legs>best personality, especially now that she's confident and strong

For you, and they are only 3 years.
I would much rather wait and avoid any trouble than putting our relationship, the way other see her, or even herself at risk.
Still, till that time came, dating and cuddling would be a fact as the skies are blue.

>>102313271
But it's true, it seems that not a single boy ever notice the lonely and cute busty girl with peculiar haircut even once in all those years. Maybe the average boys don't find that atractive and prefer the shallow and plain green haired girls.
The friends, with the ones she shares her secret, already have a potential couple.
And she doesn't show much social skills if it isn't along friends, with someone who look up to her as a mentor or a random person who has just saved, again, a position of "superiority".
I just think chances are unlikely.

>>102315300
Mami takes her magical girl duties very seriously. Kyubey notes that her altruism is a rarity among magical girls. Most do not care to help others(or maybe they can't), they just want grief seeds.

>>102316881
But you save innocent people by not dying. If you were a witch you'd spread curses yourself, not to mention that if you were the only girl in the city, all of the other witches/familiars would run amok with no one to take them out.
There was really no wrong or right between Kyouko and Sayaka's methods. Mami is a special case because she's gone to the maximum effort to train herself into a superhero who can save everyone.