You prove your point Pat. You were a sub 4 miler, why are your guys slow at Samford? Literally you prove your point, just because you might have run fast does not make you a good coach. Alberto is NOT the greatest coach ever, right there you have lost credability.
The fact that we are talking about Pat on this topic is simply amazing, it is not going to happen this go around Pat, wait ten years and let your results earn you a job at a power 5. Do something, recruit someone, and develop anyone.

I’ve been at a National high school track meet recruiting and one of these young coaches you guys keep talking up, started chatting with me. I kid you not he/she looked me square in the face and said “I have no clue what I’m doing here” . You can take that how you want but just be careful with all this hyping up you all are doing on here. I’ve been a college coach for over 25 years and I can assure you I’m still a student of the sport and will never consider myself an “elite” coach, it is irrelevant.

WRONG!!!! Actually the majority of elite athletes do not make good coaches. The best college coaches are the athletes who were solid but not great, that had to work extremely hard to get everything they could out of their bodies through extreme dedication and becoming students of the event. They have the extreme passion, work ethic, and patience that it takes to be a great college coach! Nothing comes easy or naturally for them. ...

Ummm... Ever hear of the GOATEST COACH EVER???

I’ll give you a hint..... His name is Alberto Salazar. I’d say he was pretty good runner.

Didn't realize my little joke/sarcasm would have been take so literally. Fast people can make good coaches, fast people can make bad coaches. Slow/average people can make good coaches, slow people can make bad coaches. It's all how you're willing to learn, apply it, and adapt.

'If he wanted it easy, he should have stayed at G'Town. You get what you ask for, If I'm the AD at Stanford, "Home of Champions" I'd be asking coaches to stand up as well.'

This is one of the most unintelligent comments I have found on the topic of competitive college coaching. It starts with the fact that competitive college running success for a team isn't easy anywhere. Many teams from Stanford, Gtown, Colorado, Oregon, Princeton, Ole Miss, Syracuse..... have built in advantages ranging from cost, admission standards, available scholarships, facilities....Those combinations are dang near infinite in number as each coach tries to recruit and develop runners. If it was so easy why can't any of them win year in and year out? Oregon seems like it has it all and I think they even missed NCAA XC nationals two years ago. How about Wisconsin? (Well, the current coach has bonked that one).

You think Ohio State with all of it's resources devoted to football has it easy compared to Alabama? Point being even with all the built in advantages of places it is still hard to win in sports. How about Notre Dame football? They seem to have it all but can't win NCAA titles.

I don't think he left Gtown thinking Stanford was an easy gig. He has proven himself to be qualified and highly competent even at Stanford. If he is looking at Notre Dame it might be because he has other priorities in addition to winning NCAA titles. I am sure that his goal is to win NCAA titles but perhaps he wants a few other things that Stanford doesn't provide.

"I'd be asking coaches to stand up as well" is a statement that shows extremely little understanding of the big picture and virtually zero comprehension of what it takes to actually win a championship. Nothing to be ashamed about in winning a title but finishing 4th among 350 teams in the sport is puts you in the top 1.5% of your craft. Highly significant success even with the built in advantages. This because other programs have a different set of advantages.

I hope the statement was a joke because there are a lot of people who think they are experts on this board who either have little knowledge of what they speak about or they have a whole set of other personal issues that prevent them from earning the opportunity that others like Milt have earned.

You put way too much thought into that response. MIlt. Hasn’t done a great job of hiring great coaches to be around him. That is what championship Directors need to do, and he pulls his weight by having the distance kids put up points. He will win a national title at Stanford, way before he does at Notre Dame.

The longer I'm around the truly great ones, the more I realize that is exactly how they think. Great post, Coach!

Stopwatch wearer wrote:

I’ve been at a National high school track meet recruiting and one of these young coaches you guys keep talking up, started chatting with me. I kid you not he/she looked me square in the face and said “I have no clue what I’m doing here” . You can take that how you want but just be careful with all this hyping up you all are doing on here. I’ve been a college coach for over 25 years and I can assure you I’m still a student of the sport and will never consider myself an “elite” coach, it is irrelevant.

You put way too much thought into that response. MIlt. Hasn’t done a great job of hiring great coaches to be around him. That is what championship Directors need to do, and he pulls his weight by having the distance kids put up points. He will win a national title at Stanford, way before he does at Notre Dame.[/quote]

Are you kidding me? His staff at Stanford is outstanding. The throws coach scored 31 women's points at NCAAs and was just hired at Texas. The sprints coach has turned from having just a few good athletes to a deep solid team with 3 relays at NCAAs. They are one of the fastest improving sprint teams in the NCAA. Baker, who was 5th for 4 points, trains with the sprint coach. Eskind, the jumps coach is outstanding too. Milt's greatest challenge will be keeping his staff there. They scored 35 of their 51 points outside of his events.

juddy96registered

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion7/5/2018 3:43PM - in reply to Cardinal3241

So much for those super-hot SEC assistants - nice call all the way around on that one - from your version of what is considered to be a "hot" assistant, to your 100% wrong view of what Purdue admin would do. Well Done.

Congrats to Elliott.

3 cents

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion7/5/2018 6:01PM - in reply to TrackFan19

This makes a lot of sense. The program is on the rise, promote from within. This means John Oliver will likely stay at Purdue. Which means Hakon is likely to stay at Kentucky. Which means Herbster may end up back at Texas (Edrick would be smart to do this) unless Herbster decides to go to UNC OR...the other scenery could see Hakon going to Texas and Herbster taking over at Kentucky. I see Hakon and Herbster being at Texas and Kentucky, they might just end up switching cities...

TrollAlerter

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion7/5/2018 6:07PM - in reply to Ahsten

Unless you live in the Bay Area, you have no idea the terror that non-progressives feel on a daily basis. Speaking out against the liberal-approved orthodoxy is hazardous to your livelihood, personal property, and health. During the last election, the police departments of San Jose and Sacramento allowed Progressives to bloody anyone that gathered for the purpose of expressing an unapproved opinion. There were riots on the Cal campus over a few people trying to give speeches that went against the government-approved position. Why would a coach want to stay in that area under those conditions? Why would a family send their kids to Stanford, Cal, UCD, Sac, etc when they would have to be indoctrinated or get a beat down? Milt would do better elsewhere.

Hahaha the bay area is nothing like this. Idiot. Back to job talk!

Info80

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion7/5/2018 6:16PM - in reply to Update18

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Troost

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion7/5/2018 6:22PM - in reply to Info80

University of Illinois at Chicago
Winston Salem University
University of Maine at Fort Kent
University of Texas at Austin
Sewanee University of the South
University of Washington
Southern Arkansas University
Keiser University
Notre Dame
United States Naval Academy
Air Force Academy
University of Pikeville
Missouri Western State University
Northwest Missouri University
Fontbonne University
Illinois State University
University of Michigan
Edinboro University
Susquehanna University
University of Connecticut
University of Kentucky
Mount St Mary
University of New Orleans
Lindenwood University
NC A&T
Missouri State University
UNC Wilmington

UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS has selected their candidate. Announcement soon.