....And Obama gonna take his gun? yeah right....

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages. Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life? I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

This is why it only took five days for the Netherlands to surrender to Germany.

Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages. Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life? I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

There are no second chances when you point your weapon at another human being. At that moment you have crossed the line from being a human being with feelings and worthy of a "second chance" to a violent criminal with nothing to lose. Guess how it would have played out in any other city in America? The same way. Guess how it would have played out if he pulled his gun on the cops? The same way. Guess how it would have played out if he pulled his gun on me in my home? You guessed it...the same fucking way.

I am willing to bet that you would have pissed yourself and cowered like a little girl in the corner.

It takes guts to confront someone when they are armed, real guts, not internet Joe - armchair ninja, I am talking you must be ready to die. You guys in the netherlands spend too much time smoking pot.

Killing people because they steal a buck or 2 from you is just barbaric and uncivilised. That is why we have cops you savages. Don't you value human life? Do you really think 10 bucks is more important than a human life? I mean ffs, that is why murder is so rampant in the states, you kill each other over nothing, you just have to look at somebody sideways and boom, there goes your head cause pride is more important than life.

How do you even know the gun is real? Maybe it was just a confused teen in despiration, does he really deserve to die for 1 fuck up? Was your life really in danger? If you had just given him his money you would still be unharmed, the only thing that chances is that a human being gets a second chance at life.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!

Quoting: Chip

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Not that it even matters, I'm a woman and would not hesitate to shoot first if someone approaches me with a gun drawn. I don't care what they want or if the gun is fake.When someone does that its to instill fear in the person they're aiming at.

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Did you read the article, fucktard? ARMED ROBBERY!!

********Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please*******

It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!

Quoting: Chip

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!

Quoting: Chip

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

It was the perp that did not value human life enough to control himself you stupid nanny state loving fag. If a human being is stupid enough to take a firearm into an establishment and threaten peoples lives in order to get "a buck or two" he's worth more to society dead than alive.

God damn you're a stupid motherfucker!

Quoting: Chip

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Who in the Hell has time to dial the cops when a gun is pointed at them?

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.

Quoting: Chip

Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.

SO why then does it work perfectly fine in my country? People get robbed but they just give them their stuff, nobody dies in the end and crime isn't worse here. What you just don't understand is that a human life is more valuable than a stupid crime. And how do you know he really threatened their lives? He didn't shoot at them right? The onyl person threatening someone's life was the "hero" bartender.

IMO even in 100% justified self defense you should go to prison for a year or so, taking a human life is ALWAYS bad.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Hahaha! You're an idiot. Your nation is number 4 with the highest crime victims. No wonder...they all think like you.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

That is only because we report the most crime, ofcourse stats are going to be higher if you have more information. We trust the police so we report everything that happens, we are civilised, we don't take justice into our own hands.

Who in the Hell has time to dial the cops when a gun is pointed at them?

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.

Quoting: Chip

Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

I totally understand what you're saying but how about you say it to the people that are robbing and threatening lives? Before you leave let me ask you a few questions.What would it take to defend yourself or a loved one?Would you allow someone to rape your daughter as long as he promised not to kill her or would you put a few holes in him before he has a chance to rape her?

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.

Exactly why that thug got shot. He drew first. So what's to understand?

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

That's because mushy emotional degenerates have taken hold of your government. Not because you are "smarter" or more "civilized".

In fact...keeping people who have no respect for other lives alive is down right destructive to any civilization.

That's like finding a house of fire and saying "Let the fire burn! Don't put the fire out! Because the fire is building the house!".

Now I understand this ZImmerman thing. People in the states are just backwards, everything is upside down there. Stealing a buck or 2 is so horrible you should die a painful death for it but murdering somebody is just fine if you say "he was coming right at me".

So what if the robber killed the bartender? Was he right cause the bartender pointed a gun at him?

I really don't understand Americans, everything is so wrong and backwards. No consistncy whatsoever.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Naturally. Stupid people will never understand "smart" people. It's the defining aspect of their stupidity. Can you understand that...at least? Stupid.

Quoting: Chip

Ok you people just fail to understand my points. I think I am going to leave it here. You people just come from a different culture, you don't understand the value of a human being. You can't just point guns at people and think you are justified at doing so, that creates a lawless wild wild west scenario.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

I totally understand what you're saying but how about you say it to the people that are robbing and threatening lives? Before you leave let me ask you a few questions.What would it take to defend yourself or a loved one?Would you allow someone to rape your daughter as long as he promised not to kill her or would you put a few holes in him before he has a chance to rape her?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

I don't know what I would do in such a situation. Frankly I don't worry 24/7 about how my children could be raped, I am not paranoid like that.

Are you serious???? You think that a person who enters your home uninvited with a gun drawn might just want to play checkers??? Surely you can't be so naive. Do you honestly think you should wait until you're at death's door before you defend yourself???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

Why would I like him? Isn't he more like you people? He didn't value human life, he was prepared to shoot dozens of people over nothing.

Also note that he still is alive, why? Cause Noors like Dutch people value human life and aren't hypocrites.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

That's just it.... If you could kill him prior to those events. If you saw him approaching the kids with his rifle drawn, and you had the means to end him before he killed them would you not feel compelled to act?

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

And what would you do?

Invite him for tea?

You liberal eurotards wouldnt last 10 minutes here.

Quoting: Sledster

well look at it this way,

just simple ethics;

what is more ethical, co-operating with a burglar or killing them?

Killing is always bad so it IS better to co-operate.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

Sure, killing IS always bad, but I would rather the perp be killed than me or my family.

Well in my country you can't just kill somebody breaking into your own house, many people have gone to prison for excessive aggression against a burglar. But yet everything is working fine, nobody gets murdered by burglars cause they know they won't get shot over petty crime.

Why would I like him? Isn't he more like you people? He didn't value human life, he was prepared to shoot dozens of people over nothing.

Also note that he still is alive, why? Cause Noors like Dutch people value human life and aren't hypocrites.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1516308

That's just it.... If you could kill him prior to those events. If you saw him approaching the kids with his rifle drawn, and you had the means to end him before he killed them would you not feel compelled to act?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23764026

If the police had shot him I would be thankful. Maybe in that particular situation it would have been better if someone had shot him but that sets a very bad precursor for future events where people will just shoot others left and right cause they "feel" justified. USA doesn't have 15K gun deaths a year by pure coincidence.

Any asshole that enters my home, business, car, etc. with a weapon already drawn is a threat to my life. I don't give a shit if its pointing at my head or the ground. If the gun is already drawn he is trying to convey the message that he is ready to use it therefore I am ready to defend myself and stop him from doing what he intends.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45318999

But somebody in your home is not really a threat now is it? He is just there, for all you know he will run away the moment he sees you, why would you have to kill him over nothing?

A threat in my opinion is a guy shooting at you or somebody putting a knife against your throat.

Somebody just wondering in your house doesn't seem like a big enough threat to me to just kill somebody over.