Topic started by Telugu (@ 61.11.81.95) on Thu Jun 17 08:52:19 EDT 2004.
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I have come across many Tamils who look down Telugu and think that their language is superior although they use the same letter for diffrent things.this problem does not exist in Telugu we have independent letters.
Another problem with these Tamils is that they think that their movies are a far out than us. discuss.........

Responses:

42% of Tamil Nadu are Telugus." 42% !!! where did you get this astronomical figure. There is absolutely no evidence to your blatant lie. As per census 2001 less than 15% of TN population is Non-tamil speaking. Telugu population is mostly concentrated in pockets of Vellore, dharmapuri, Cuddalore, Salem Namakkal and some Kamma population in Combatore. Madurai, Virudunagar, Dindugul has about 5% of so called Telugu( mostly Naidu/naicker) population that claims themselves as CHAMPIONS OF TAMIL.

>> "How about TeluguNadu... emm sounds cool "

only in youre dreams Pal. This only shows Telugu people's land grabbing mentality. you guys are not satisfied with all the land ( chittoor and Nellore districts) that we gave you and now you want more. You guys have a land mass, AP that is twice the size of TN and have a GDP that is not even close to TN. No matter how much land you have you guys would not not make the best use of it.

>>"Telugus can adapt themselves to other cultures and traditions. Thats why they are ruling IT industry"

Completely agree. Eventhough Telugus are ruling high in Software, I still wonder why Telugus still cannot make Hyderabad match Bangalore or even Chennai in Software exports.

>>"Telugu people are powerful. Look at the chief ministers of TamilNadu.Except Subbarayan, Kama Raja Ndar and MGR, all oters are Telugus."

A few of the Telugu people are powerful and contribute to TN economy. No doubt but there is nothing significant about it!! It happens in every other state. There are also few Tamil investors who own companies in AP and provide employment to locals. So what are you trying to prove.

Chief Ministers like Omandur reddiar, Kumaraswamy Raja held CM posts of combined Andhra and Tamilnadu but again they identified themseleves as hard core Tamils. I hope you dont consider Anna, Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha as Telugu people; do yo??

>> "7. Actually, even in Sigapore most of the so called Tamils are Telugus by origin."

Do you think that chettiars and vellalars are people of Telugu origin. This only shows your lack of knowledge on Tamil community

>>It would we great if some opportunistic people stop trying to discourage Telugu in Tamilnadu. Unfortunately some of the people doing this are Telugus. And Telugus are known for their self respect, If some one tries to attack on thier self respect, serious things might happen."

Oh really??!! Then why in the hell do they claim themselves as Tamils in TN (pretend to be Tamils and assimilate their culture and festivals. Dress like them and worship their gods like ayyanar and ayyappan. Read and write in Tamil). Do you mean to say that Telugus are doing this only because they are afraid to show themselves as Telugus in Tamil land. I dont buy that Pal! In my observation, after talking to many telugu friends, they find Tamil culture/language/relegion/customs more native and try to assimilate it

Pretending to like a language fearing jeleousy..Another load of garbage! How do you come-up with such insane Ideas. oh my.., well if it is true that only shows the cowardly nature of telugu guys and their lack of self-confidence.

>>"even the supreme power of Tirupathi was hesitant about you ppl, thus choose to live where he belong. Dont challenge the home of Lord Venkatewara, YOU WILL BE DESTROYED TO ASHES no one would tolerate if you intend to disturb the choice of Lord."

was it god's decision??? I pray to lord venkateswara to forgive you for your ignorance!

The temple itself was built by Tamil Kings with God himself being praised in Tamil Nalayira divya Prabandhams ( which is still the practice). The temple walls still bear tamil epigraphs on how varoius tamil kings developed and patronized it. The Names Tirupathi and Tirumalai are clearly Tamil. ****ody can deny thses facts. It was Given to andhra considering that It was the only revenue generating city in the whole of Rayalaseema region without which the whole area would be poor.
Anyway I would NOT advise annexing Tirupathi back with Tamilnadu becuase it would be the only sustenance for the most backward Rayalaseema without which it would be the poorest region in India.

1.Well 42% is from the census 2001 . They considered people who know how to read and write Telugu as Telugus(Thats why you got 7.1% as Telugus). But according to me people who have Telugu orgin are Telugus. They have changed Telugu names to Tamil names. For ex. they changed Krishna to Krishnan, Ramiah to Raman. Also most of the Ayyars are Telugus by origin. But all ayyangars are Tamils.

2. Karunanidhi, Jayalalitha and Anna are Telugus!!. Do you know actual name of Anna. It is Anna Dora (not Anna Dorai). This is an example of opportunistic nature of these politicians.

3. Also Vaigo, who supports Tamil revolution in SriLanka is a Telugu and speaks Telugu at home. Being Telugu doesn't stop one to fight for others!!

4.For your information Kamba Ramayanam which you read on this website was written by Kambudu who is a Telugu.

5. Best way to woo Tamil masses(including educated masses) is to talk about Tamil. Thats how Tamils are being exploted. Time to wake up guys!!!

6. Also Telugu was there even in Kerala. There are evidences. For instance,the place where Thyagaraja (who is like god of Carnatic music and who is a Telugu) is now in Kerala.

7. Actually many Telugus complain about Chennai being given to Tamils just like you do in the case of Tirupathi.

It would be great if all Tamils respect existance of Telugu in TamilNadu.

From: JK (@ host-24-225-248-229.patmedia.net)
on: Sat Sep 4 10:12:19 EDT 2004
>>"Well 42% is from the census 2001 . They considered people who know how to read and write Telugu as Telugus(Thats why you got 7.1% as Telugus). But according to me people who have Telugu orgin are Telugus. They have changed Telugu names to Tamil names. For ex. they changed Krishna to Krishnan, Ramiah to Raman. Also most of the Ayyars are Telugus by origin. But all ayyangars are Tamils."

The census 7.1% gives people who speak Telugu ( kamma, naicker, gavara, reddiar, chetty, et al) at their homes. But I believe it will be close to 10% because some people of Telugu origins dont claim to be telugu People or even speak telugu at home anymore. As far as people who can read and write Telugu, the percentage is less than 2% ( new immigrants living mostly in Madras and border areas of vellore, dharmapuri, tiruthani and gummidipoondi). Your 42% theory is bogus (May be you included vanniar, mudaliar, Thevars, dalits etc.. in your list).

By the way, If you want to talk about origins. I would say the whole of AP are tamils because Telugu itself is an offshoot of Tamil in my opinion. And I am basing my theory on proven antiquity of Tamil and relatively shorter literary history of the Telugu language.

>>"Karunanidhi, Jayalalitha and Anna are Telugus!!. Do you know actual name of Anna. It is Anna Dora (not Anna Dorai). This is an example of opportunistic nature of these politicians"

Karuna is an Isai Vellalar, Jaya is a Mysore Iyengar. Anna was a Mudaliar. How in the world do you consider them to be Telugu's.

May be you consider them as Telugus because they were opportunistic( becausue you think all telugu guys in TN to be opportunistic??)

>>"Also most of the Ayyars are Telugus by origin. But all ayyangars are Tamils."

How exactly are you basing your theory. I am not sure if your statement will be welcomed by Iyers Themselves.
Iyers are a very old group in TN and were belived to have come from North Inida in waves during the Pre-christina era and mingled with local preistly community. They were called as anthanars in Tamil records and have contributed much to Development of Tamil literature. Your statement does not hold much truth or logical sense here.

They very name Ayyar (not ayyudu or ayyulu) itself poses a big question mark on the Telugu origins of Ayyars. However there are some Telugu speaking Brahmins like SPB living in TN.

>>"4.For your information Kamba Ramayanam which you read on this website was written by Kambudu who is a Telugu."

On what theory was it based. Do they have any historical or epigraphical evdidence for this. Anybody can write anything on a website. Visit nadar.org and you will see that Nadars claim Kamba Nadan was a Nadar

>>" Best way to woo Tamil masses(including educated masses) is to talk about Tamil. Thats how Tamils are being exploted. Time to wake up guys!!!"

completely agree. I appreciate your concern for Tamils. Many Non-tamils have and still are provoking dravidian/tamil sentiments for their own well being.But those who are exploiting cannot do so for a long time. People identify them very easily.

>>"Also Telugu was there even in Kerala. There are evidences. For instance,the place where Thyagaraja (who is like god of Carnatic music and who is a Telugu) is now in Kerala."

Thyagaraja was born in Tanjore region. He has nothing to do with Kerala except the fact that he is known to very few Kerala People who learn carnatic music.

Telugu evidences of Kerala doesnt mean anything. On that note Tamil has epigraphical evidences all over andhra pradesh. Most of Telugu country once fell under Chola empire. Even the so called First Andhra kingdom, Satavahanas have engraved their coins in Tamil and Prakrit( Not Telugu??!!). Tamil epigraphical evidences were available even in most parts of south east asia like Thailand and Indonesia. I beleive tamil hymns are still recited in Thailand( in government ceremonies)

>>"It would be great if all Tamils respect existance of Telugu in TamilNadu."

Telugus are treated no different than Tamils in TN. They have the same opportunities and previleges. I dont see any reason why any Telugu person should complain.

From: Telugu Guy (@ adsl-64-175-245-172.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
on: Sat Sep 4 22:29:03 EDT 2004
>>Telugus are treated no different than Tamils in TN. They have the same opportunities and previleges

This is a BIG joke.Anyways time is coming where all the truths will be unveiled.

>>Karuna is an Isai Vellalar, Jaya is a Mysore Iyengar. Anna was a Mudaliar

This is another BIG joke.What you said is what you CLAIM and not true. Anyways we don't want that garbage into telugu community.

>>Telugu itself is an offshoot of Tamil in my opinion

This is another JOKE. Actually, the so called TamilNadu is Telugu land. Telugus are here for a LONG time and they belong to this place. Pure Tamils don't belong to India. They migrated from a continent called Lemuria which sank in Indian ocean.

Even the very appearance of actual Tamils reveals this. And there are people who say that Tamils belong to RAKSHASA category.

I have lot of Tamil friends. Most of them are Iyers. They are not language fanatics. They respect Hindi a lot and speak Hindi very well like us. And most of them watch Telugu serials and movies at home. Their parents can speak Telugu.

Telugu is a very old language. But the documentation of the language was started late. One of Christian showed some crap showing that Indian culture is NOT old. The problem is same. We didn't document everything.

And please DON'T associate Telugu with Tamil. We are proud to be Telugus.

Coming to the age of the language, there are several stone age scripts and languages. Who cares about them anymmore??

There is only one way, try to be part of India (or Hindia as you call). Atleast then north indians will consider Tamils people as people having brain. (Now a Madrasee means brain-less!).

Anyways I still respect Tamil.

FINALLY its not long before Telugu gets its recognition in so called TamilNadu.