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Garchomp Banned Once Again

Smogon announced yesterday morning that Garchomp has once again been banished to Ubers.

From Smogon:

"In case you weren't aware, OU suspect testing round 4 finished the other day, and the voting has been going on since then. First, the Non-Pokemon Voting finished, resulting in no bans. Just last night, the Pokemon Voting ended, resulting in Excadrill, Latios, and Deoxys-S being OU, Thundurus being put on watch due to obtaining a simple majority, and Garchomp being banned by supermajority! Yes, that's right, Garchomp is banned from OU... Again! In response to this ban, the Dream World and BW OU tiers on the Pokemon Online server have had their ladders reset for the new period. Partake of the new suspect testing round 5 and see how you fare in a metagame without Garchomp!" ~Rising_Dusk

This thread is to discuss how this will effect the BW OU Metagame. Personally, I think that we will see a slight drop in the number of Sand teams that are used, which, based on the massive amount of them I've seen on PO, will improve Poke-diversity and make things more interesting.

I also think that we will see a sharp rise in the usage of Salamence and Haxorus. People will want another dragon with huge, Garchomp-esque offenses to take Garchomp's place. Dragonite is already extremely prevalent as a bulky dragon, but I think these two dragons, which have thusfar lived in the shadow of Garchomp, will find dramatically increased usage.

it's about ****ing time. i voted chomp uber but i didn't think the support was there but 55-17 LOL. landorus is the obvious replacement for garchomp on sand teams so i'm guessing landorus usage will go up. doubt it will crack top 10 or even top 15 for that matter since it's typing is redundant with gliscor who was on the standard rotom-w/jirachi/gliscor/garchomp/tyranitar/reuniclus teams. o well. looking forward to a much better meta

god damnit, i was making a team to counter garchomp. Back to the drwaing board....

Yep we should ban baton pass, and weather too. Oh and Trick Room, I'm tired of having to worry about Trick Room all the time. Just ban the move Trick Room, and prankster, it's broken. Ban all status moves on prankster users, they're too cheap. Oh and ban Probopass to it's so cheap. Just ban everything except Magikarp with splash.

Well, actually Blaziken isn't really Uber because some people whined about how they were getting owned by it. I mean, it doesn't stand a chance in the Uber enviroment.

This will definitely cause an increase in the amount of people that use Salamence. He may be the next to be banned, just like in 4th gen as history repeats itself.
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god damnit, i was making a team to counter garchomp. Back to the drwaing board....

Just put a Weavile in your team and everything will stay the same!

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I never had much of a problem with him. Any decent ice attack does the job. Maybe I just don't play against experienced battlers.

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not a big fan of pseudolegends, especially garchomp, i think he fits in Ubers.

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My only question is why Latios is firmly OU in this metagame, while it's been pretty much sent straight to Ubers in every other gen. ..Same with Deoxys, actually. Is there something major that I'm missing here? Did 5th gen. really weaken them that much? o.0

@cannibaleyes: 5th gen gave us Ferrothorn and significantly increased the popularity of specially defensive Tyranitar and specially defensive Jirachi, the latter two of which were rather impractical during some of gen IV (though special defensive Rachi was okay then). All of these are pretty hard counters to Latios and also have a ton of other use.

My only question is why Latios is firmly OU in this metagame, while it's been pretty much sent straight to Ubers in every other gen. ..Same with Deoxys, actually. Is there something major that I'm missing here? Did 5th gen. really weaken them that much? o.0

I think Dragonite is the best Dragon this Gen. Multiscale is such a crazy ability. Get some spin support and you have a crazy DD sweeper right there. Plus it could shut down Chomp and K.O. it. So if Dragonite and Weavile aren't enough, I don't know what is for Chomp to stay down.

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@cannibaleyes: 5th gen gave us Ferrothorn and significantly increased the popularity of specially defensive Tyranitar and specially defensive Jirachi, the latter two of which were rather impractical during some of gen IV (though special defensive Rachi was okay then). All of these are pretty hard counters to Latios and also have a ton of other use.

I guess that makes sense, but it's still hard to believe that one or two counters would change things that drastically... Although I suppose it could. Still, those pokemon could have been used back them to counter it, they just weren't as common.

Originally Posted by IceTacos

It's probably because Soul Dew isn't available in 5th Gen yet?

This makes sense, I suppose, since if I remember correctly, that item was one of the main reasons it was banned in the first place (or at least the item was).

So, what about Deoxys? Then again, it was Deoxys-A that was banned to Ubers first, in 4th gen., right?

Anyway, on the topic of Chomp, I think he deserved to get banished to Ubers in 5th gen. especially, considering the popularity of weather teams this metagame (including sandstorm). IIRC, it was his ability in sandstorm that sent him to Ubers in 4th gen., too.

I wouldn't say Haxorus is shadowed by Garchomp with that 147 base attack, access to DragonDance, and able to hit levitaters with Earthquake. If you want to kill the foes Garchomp, Just get your spec'ed/scarfed Froslass to use Ice Beam(or Blizzard depending on your team). Garchomps are still worthy of the ubers though. I'm gonna have to change my Sandstorm team though...

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