I also can't wrap my head around "it looks so horrible..." The graphics are actually quite beautiful and well-done. In Diablo 2 there are some brilliant and absolutely remarkable aesthetics, and most of the same applies to 1.

On the original resolution yeah. But when its stretched onto a 24'' monitor? Not so much...

The millions of copies of Torchlight sold would like to have a word with you. While Torchlight is definately not as good as D2 IMO. Its not crap. The sales and continued sales prove that false. Torchlight is a great d-crawler, it is missing some heavy difficulty and multi player, which is why the above poster may deem it crap. Other than that, its a good game and the engine runs flawlessly on older machines, and it looks great.

Sale numbers mean very little, when you can't track how many people continue playing after initial purchase. I bought the game, but I stopped playing after the first couple of hours, and I know there are many many others like me.

Maybe my initial comment about Torchlight was a bit over the top. Some people really like it; which is fine, to each his own. But in comparison to Diablo 2, Torchlight doesn't compare in any way.

Sale numbers mean very little, when you can't track how many people continue playing after initial purchase. I bought the game, but I stopped playing after the first couple of hours, and I know there are many many others like me.

Maybe my initial comment about Torchlight was a bit over the top. Some people really like it; which is fine, to each his own. But in comparison to Diablo 2, Torchlight doesn't compare in any way.

Proof? None. Torchlight is leaps and bounds better than D2 in terms of playability, UI, and graphics. I fully expect Torchlight 2 to be an improvement on a great first release.

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Proof? None. Torchlight is leaps and bounds better than D2 in terms of playability, UI, and graphics. I fully expect Torchlight 2 to be an improvement on a great first release.

Playability is terrible thanks to repetetivness on greater magnitude than Diablo 2, talent trees are crap, loot is changed every few levels (yeah, uniques are worthless), UI is a mess and graphics are terrible (only improvement is that it is 3d and I dont have pixelated mess instead of face). Even Runic said that they made this turd just to get some quick money and look, sheep flock to it just because "original minds behind diablo" made it.

Personally, I don't think D2 ever held up well. The game was great for a bit, but I find it really hard to play, even 5 or so years ago, because it looks so horrible...

I recommend you play some Titan's Quest, if you want newer (but not as good looking, or as feature/variety rich), try Torchlight...

-Alamar

lol you dismiss D2 and advise him Titan's Quest haha. this must be a very bad joke.
Anyway if you play D2 remember it is hard and you can bind spell (with F1 F2 etc, town portal is bindable as well) and your potion are bound on 1 to 4. W is to switch weapon sets, you can put the map on transparent and shift+clic make you buy faster. Enjoy, this is a very good game but pretty hard. I advise you lan mode and a software to reset your talent points not to cheat but in case you make a mistake.)

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Originally Posted by Lysah

D2 easily the best game ever created as far as playability. I have probably poured years of my life into it, WoW can't even compare.

Not being able to get past the graphics of a game makes me kind of laugh I'll be honest. How much do you stand to potentially miss out on because of vanity.

exactly. Diablo 2 could easily stand for the best 2D game of the 90s, or ever. The story, the musics, the sounds, the monsters, every things is so great about it. Only problem with this game is the potion spam and the scroll of identity spam, everything else makes for one of the best gaming experience.

D2 is amazing. I poured years of my life into that game, and while I don't play it like I did.. I occasionally will hop on it and play it for a couple of weeks before stopping. That's not nostalgia, I still play the game and it's that old.

It's the same when people cite that people like FF6 or Chrono Trigger over the newer generation RPGs or "3D" ones if you will because of nostalgia. When most of us who like these games still play them from time to time, whether it be emulators.

Not all of us value graphics over game play. I'll take a game with superior game play over improved graphics any day. Of course I like to have both but it's not going to stop me from enjoying a well made game, even by today's standards.

D2 is great. The graphics and resolution are for sure shit, but it still isn't that bad when you consider that it's 2D. I find it hard to play NES games because the 2D is shit, but SNES has good 2D graphics. Playing N64 is tough because the 3D is full of blocks, but playing things that are the generation above it is a lot easier. Sure D2 is shit in the graphical department OVERALL, but it's not bad 2D and has a style about it that makes it okay to jump back into.

D2 is an awesome game maybe not for graphics but its really nice not to many quests either per map only thing i find bad with D2 is the third map since its so boring otherwise the other 4 maps i think it is are pretty fun and definitly worth 10 euros to just play trough.
Should not tunnel graphics to much i rather play a game that feels nice and fun to play rather then a game with insane good looks into it.

Lets remove the nostalgia filter here, D2 was full of crap and baal runs.

Eh? Diablo II is one of the best games ever made; people still play it 11 years later. I still play it at times as well. It definitely was not full of crap. Imho I wouldn't play Torchlight if you can choose D2, it's an okay game but the one dungeon design gets tiring fast. Diablo II is simply a lot better where replayability is concerned and has a lot more interesting classes.

Whether it will disappoint people or not. I don't know. The graphics are very outdated, and it might be hard to get into for new players.

It's all opinions. Honestly, this community feels a little toxic sometimes. I might as well throw my opinion in there too though. D1 is slow as hell and is more of a museum piece than a game. D2 is the current standard of the genre. I don't know about TQ and TL and don't care.

I have played a lot of dungeon crawlers and the only game that comes close to Diablo 2 for me was the original Dungeon Siege.

Also really liked Nox and Champions of Norrath.

Played...

Torchlight
Titan's Quest
Divine Divinity
Sacred
Throne of Darkness

While these games were decent, they all seemed to lack the draw that D2 and Dungeon Siege had, and i found that i was often forcing myself to play just so i could reach the finish and be done with them.

Personally none of these games (especially Torchlight and Titan's Quest) are even half as addictive or fun as Diablo 2.