well yes and no. new clubs are certainly easier to hit and give extra distance. but those old school clubs were players clubs. much easier to shape your shots with those blades. you have to fight against cavity backs, theyre too damn forgiving.

tigers greatness isnt about his consistancy or distance, which the new clubs increase, its about the shots he was able to hit when he needed to hit them. hes never been very consistant, his fairway percentage is pretty abismall relatively speaking, and hes never been the longest hitter on tour. but he can save par from anywhere on the course, no matter how much shape he has to put on the ball, no matter how much spin he has to give it, no matter how well guarded the green, no matter how hard of a read it is to the hole.. tiger is a beast.

Cavity backs are too damn forgiving?

What is your handicap?

The only person to ever say that cavity backs were too "straight" was Sir Nick Faldo, when he had a tryst with Ping Eye 2's.

The only person to ever say that cavity backs were too "straight" was Sir Nick Faldo, when he had a tryst with Ping Eye 2's.

LOL i definitely need to use cavity backs, but when i need to hit a low curving punch shot around a tree(or anytime otherwise when i need to shape a shot more so than just a ad bit of a fade or draw) i can never get the kind of spin i want with the cavity backs. i have to over exaggerate the fuck out of the swing and pray i make good contact.

LOL i definitely need to use cavity backs, but when i need to hit a low curving punch shot around a tree(or anytime otherwise when i need to shape a shot more so than just a ad bit of a fade or draw) i can never get the kind of spin i want with the cavity backs. i have to over exaggerate the fuck out of the swing and pray i make good contact.

LOL i definitely need to use cavity backs, but when i need to hit a low curving punch shot around a tree(or anytime otherwise when i need to shape a shot more so than just a ad bit of a fade or draw) i can never get the kind of spin i want with the cavity backs. i have to over exaggerate the fuck out of the swing and pray i make good contact.

Tbombz, it has very little to do with today's clubs, but has everything to do with the ball.

My swing coach (yes, I am that obsessive) had some unused balata balls that we brought to the short game area. I was spinning those suckers so much I couldn't believe it. Hitting fucking draws with a wedge!!!!! On 40 yard shots!!!

hmmmmm. well i do use the cheapest balls i can find, since i play excessively aggressive and usualy go through 10+ balls per 18 holes

Also, you are more than likely doing what every other amateur does (which took 2 full years for me to stop doing) and that is releasing too soon, therefore not putting enough "compression" on the ball.

Need downward strike!!!! Firm left wrist, which must be flat or bowed, not flipped.

Coach, first we are comparing apples to oranges. Different eras. Had Jack been pushed by Johnny Miller and Tom Watson for a longer period of time, maybe Jack would have pushed himself to the limit, instead of being the awesome family man he was/is.

You also say that the competition wasn't as good back then. Uhhhh....Palmer, Trevino, Watson, Zoeller, Irwin, Faldo (prior to 1986 he was a pro), Greg Norman, etc. All Hall of Famers.

Secondly, take a look at the amount of times Jack finished second (especially in Majors). He was always in contention. A few putts here and there, and Jack is untouchable.

Hold on...I don't I ever said they were not that good. I think what I said is that there was less competition.

Also, you are more than likely doing what every other amateur does (which took 2 full years for me to stop doing) and that is releasing too soon, therefore not putting enough "compression" on the ball.

Need downward strike!!!! Firm left wrist, which must be flat or bowed, not flipped.

nah ive been golfing since i was 10, spent years with a pga tour professional who gave me weekly lessons, played on the NCJGA as a kid and on 4 years varsity in high school. my swing problem is that i come way too far inside during the back swing. i used to have a slice and my coach had me practice the in-to-out swing path for months to develop a draw and now i cant get rid of the damn thing. plus my muscles get in the way. my short game is impeccable, within 150 yards im a beast, but ourside of that, if i have to take a full swing, its shanks to the left all day long.. but im too stubborn to shorten up my swing and and play conservatively so i shoot reall shitty scores on account of taking 3 shots to get within 150yds on every hole

He has a long way to go to get to Nicklaus. I am not pointing directly at anyone here, but so many people automatically say he is the best that never even knew what a golf ball was before he came along, thanks to ESPN and our wonderful media these days. Golf was played before 1997.

Yes, the fields may be deeper these days, but there was much more quality at the top in the Nicklaus era, as some have already pointed out.

He's been placing high right up on the leader board and even coming close to winning in several tournaments this year, it was just a matter of time. His confidence is flying right now and I'm sure the rest of his peers who thought is was over and didn't give him a second thought anymore are thinking twice. Granted he's one of the biggest assholes on the face of the planet but arguably the greatest golfer to ever play the game. He's like the Ty Cobb of golf..LOL.

I agree Joe. He will be a contender soon and will win again. Like the old self? No. But definitely has more to show.