Isn't this site here for the purpose of changing people's minds, so that neither Trump, nor that next-most-popular alternative are as popular as they are?

Yes.

In the meanwhile, while we debate philosophically over the internet, real life consequences exist according to the governing forces in this world, and trying to sink one you don't like so that someone much worse can move in, is counterproductive.

Sophism and porcelain towers are nice. Real life is a bit more complicated than that.

So, yes, the site's mission is to bring greater liberty and freedom.

But in the real world in which we live in, called reality, the next most popular alternate which would assume power from Trump, guarantees us neither more liberty or security.

Would I wish Trump was impeached so that Rand would become President? Absolutely.

But I don't think that would happen. Indeed, I fear it would be much worse.

That is why someone can be a supporter of the site's mission and not want to see Trump impeached.

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'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

The day trump supporters admit they followed a hypocritical, draft dodging, authoritarian, big spender, will be the day I admit they called the election right. Trump has proved his election was another loss in the battle for freedom, so the war is still on against Trump and the ideas his followers espouse. I fought against Bush, I fought against Obama and I sure as hell am not hanging it up because someone tells me trump is great and fighting against globalists even though I am getting $#@!ed by his agenda. I don't care where they are located if they are evil they are evil and the average person is NOT going the care if they are getting $#@!ed by the people in the global tower or the WH.

War; everything in the world wrong, evil and immoral combined into one and multiplied by millions.

Isn't this site here for the purpose of changing people's minds, so that neither Trump, nor that next-most-popular alternative are as popular as they are?

No, it is mostly training ground for trolls.

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

The Rulers are not pleased with the American public. They will be punished for this insolence.

And intriguing thought, leading to the question of "how?" The mind reels at the possibilities.

"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty - and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies."-- H.L. Mencken

The day trump supporters admit they followed a hypocritical, draft dodging, authoritarian, big spender, will be the day I admit they called the election right. Trump has proved his election was another loss in the battle for freedom, so the war is still on against Trump and the ideas his followers espouse. I fought against Bush, I fought against Obama and I sure as hell am not hanging it up because someone tells me trump is great and fighting against globalists even though I am getting $#@!ed by his agenda. I don't care where they are located if they are evil they are evil and the average person is NOT going the care if they are getting $#@!ed by the people in the global tower or the WH.

And intriguing thought, leading to the question of "how?" The mind reels at the possibilities.

Who cares? Just keep lowering their wages. $#@! them.

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

Coming from the same sample population that reelects congress at a 96% rate. So who cares and what's the point?

The 96% rate is a bona fide proof most humans are sycophants.

The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

The day trump supporters admit they followed a hypocritical, draft dodging, authoritarian, big spender, will be the day I admit they called the election right. Trump has proved his election was another loss in the battle for freedom, so the war is still on against Trump and the ideas his followers espouse. I fought against Bush, I fought against Obama and I sure as hell am not hanging it up because someone tells me trump is great and fighting against globalists even though I am getting $#@!ed by his agenda. I don't care where they are located if they are evil they are evil and the average person is NOT going the care if they are getting $#@!ed by the people in the global tower or the WH.

Would be interesting to see what the demographics for the 37% poll are, do we know what they are?

They are the ones who are about to get $#@!ed by Obamacare Lite.

Trump when told the biggest losers under 'Trumpcare' would be his own voters: 'Oh, I know'

President Donald Trump nodded in agreement during a Wednesday interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson when told the American Health Care Act, the bill to repeal and replace Obamacare, would cause the most damage to people who voted for him in November.

During the interview, Carlson mentioned an analysis by Bloomberg that showed that counties that voted more heavily for Trump in the election would see their tax credits to purchase insurance fall dramatically and likely see the number of people without insurance increase.

According to the analysis, people in counties that voted for Trump would see $6.6 billion in annual tax cuts, while people living in counties that supported Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would get a tax break of $21.9 billion.

Additionally, since the AHCA's tax credits would be flat totals based on age instead of income and cost of living, some states would see a sharper decrease in their average premiums.

Based on an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the seven states in which Americans would see their tax credits decline the most are Alaska, North Carolina, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Alabama, Nebraska, and Wyoming. Each of those states voted for Trump. In fact, the 13 states that would see the steepest declines in tax credits all swung toward Trump in November.

Despite the disproportionate effect the bill could have on his own voters, Trump said the bill would eventually pass. But he suggested changes to the existing version.

"A lot of things aren't consistent," Trump said. "But these are going to be negotiated.

"And by the way, if we're not going to take care of the people, I'm not signing anything," he added. "I'm not going to be doing it, just so you understand."

ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

I pretty much believe the opposite of whatever CPUd says, and that serves me quite well.

This means I can make you believe whatever I want.

ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

Arnold Schwarzenegger is turning the table on Donald Trump by taking to social media to criticize the president's own approval ratings.

Schwarzenegger posted a video on Twitter referencing a new Gallup poll that showed Trump's approval rating at 39 percent, down 6 points from a week earlier. Schwarzenegger tells Trump, "The ratings are in and you got swamped."

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"The future is here, it's just not evenly distributed yet." - William Gibson

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ďI donít think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,Ē he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. Heís the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul