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Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

Originally Posted by Orion

This is what you conservative radicals aren't getting. They have the freedom to do it and they're going to do it. You have no right to stop them, and your petty racist anecdotes about how all Muslims consent to terrorism is just going to turn the public against you.

What you don't understand is that Islam isn't a race it's an ideology.

Please keep running your mouth. Eventually someone will stomp their foot in it.

Understood you support physical violence to silence the opposition. If anyone tries putting hands on me or a "foot in my mouth" for exercising my 1st amendment rights I will put a bullet in their brain.

Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

He is certainly an Islamist albeit one who doesn't support violence to achieve his goals, but the goals are the same. It's a difference of degree not of kind.

An Islamist is simply one who is a scholar of Islam. I said radical Islamist. Big difference.

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

I wasn't aware that the YMCA offered religious services. What type of mass does the YMCA hold?

Missed my point entirely.

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

No that would be you. This is not a community center it is a Mosque, it will be offering religious services for Muslims but not for non-Muslim members of the community, it's a Mosque.

Nah it's a community centre... a mosque is for Muslims only. This place is for everyone, in the spirit of interfaith relations. It is obviously going to have religious services if the people who own the place are Muslim and they have to pray 5 times a day. Duh.

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

I wasn't aware that Pat Robertson was a large advocate against theocratic theocracy in general.

Is that supposed to change the fact that you sound just like him?

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

Every statement I have made is a fact or a logical conclusion based on the facts.

Most of your statements are emotional appeals based on exaggerated details. You're making mountains out of molehills. I'm just one of few people who are actually willing to spend the time to tell you this. Most others have abandoned this thread.

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

lol, this man supports Sharia law he does not separate the political from the religious, as an Islamist for him they are one in the same.

Link to where he said he supports Sharia Law?

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

They have a right to build it, I have the right to protest it and encourage others not to enter into voluntary contracts with the Mosque propenents to trade their labour for their capital. They have the right to build it, they do not have the right to silence the opposition or compel others against their will to build it.

Of course you have the right. You have the right to speak no matter how misinformed.

Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

It's not a ****ing community center it's a Mosque, if it was a community center when will they be offering religious services to non-Muslim members of the community?

This has already been addressed. Maybe you should try visiting a real mosque before you make assumptions about what a mosque is. Oh that's right, most of them won't let you in because you're non-Muslim. Maybe now you understand the difference.

It's the difference between having prayer services (like a chapel) in one part of the building versus making the entire building a place for prayer. Obviously they are going to insert a religious component into the community centre if they are Muslim... they want to support their faith. Christians do it all the time. Why do you think there are chapels in hospitals?

Calling it a mosque reveals your naivete. I know you'll keep calling it the "ground zero mosque" because that's all part of the talk radio buzz, but no matter how much you try to spin it, it will never be the case. You can say it over and over again but it won't ever be true.

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Originally Posted by Orion

An Islamist is simply one who is a scholar of Islam. I said radical Islamist. Big difference.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, an Islamism is political Islam IE non-secular Islam promoting implementation of Sharia Law, and adherent of Islamism is referred to as an Islamist. This Imam is an Islamist.

Missed my point entirely.

Then what is your point? The YMCA is not a church because it does not offer religious services, they do not hold mass at the YMCA.

Nah it's a community centre... a mosque is for Muslims only. This place is for everyone, in the spirit of interfaith relations. It is obviously going to have religious services if the people who own the place are Muslim and they have to pray 5 times a day. Duh.

lol, this Mosque holds religious services for Muslims and only Muslims, Mosques do allow non-Muslims to attend so that they may receive Dawa.

Is that supposed to change the fact that you sound just like him?

How do I sound just like him? If I sound just like him then he must be stating facts, because that's all I have done.

Most of your statements are emotional appeals based on exaggerated details. You're making mountains out of molehills. I'm just one of few people who are actually willing to spend the time to tell you this. Most others have abandoned this thread.

Most of your statements only go to prove your ignorance on the subject matter.

Link to where he said he supports Sharia Law?

Here you go:

At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.

Of course you have the right. You have the right to speak no matter how misinformed.

Just what am I misinformed about?

This has already been addressed. Maybe you should try visiting a real mosque before you make assumptions about what a mosque is. Oh that's right, most of them won't let you in because you're non-Muslim. Maybe now you understand the difference.

Actually they will let me in to receive Dawa which is the reason why allowing non-Muslims into this Mosque.

It's the difference between having prayer services (like a chapel) in one part of the building versus making the entire building a place for prayer. Obviously they are going to insert a religious component into the community centre if they are Muslim... they want to support their faith. Christians do it all the time. Why do you think there are chapels in hospitals?

Chapels in hospitals do not hold masses. Chapels in hospitals are non-denominational unless the hospitals themselves are of a particular religion. This is a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic Community Center open to non-Muslims so that they might receive Dawa, if it was an actual community center then they would either be a) not offering religious services, or b) offering religious services to all members of the community.

Calling it a mosque reveals your naivete. I know you'll keep calling it the "ground zero mosque" because that's all part of the talk radio buzz, but no matter how much you try to spin it, it will never be the case. You can say it over and over again but it won't ever be true.

Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, an Islamism is political Islam IE non-secular Islam promoting implementation of Sharia Law, and adherent of Islamism is referred to as an Islamist. This Imam is an Islamist.

Then what is your point? The YMCA is not a church because it does not offer religious services, they do not hold mass at the YMCA.

lol, this Mosque holds religious services for Muslims and only Muslims, Mosques do allow non-Muslims to attend so that they may receive Dawa.

How do I sound just like him? If I sound just like him then he must be stating facts, because that's all I have done.

Most of your statements only go to prove your ignorance on the subject matter.

Here you go:

Just what am I misinformed about?

Actually they will let me in to receive Dawa which is the reason why allowing non-Muslims into this Mosque.

Chapels in hospitals do not hold masses. Chapels in hospitals are non-denominational unless the hospitals themselves are of a particular religion. This is a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic Community Center open to non-Muslims so that they might receive Dawa, if it was an actual community center then they would either be a) not offering religious services, or b) offering religious services to all members of the community.

Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.

I sincerely question your reading comprehension ability. Clearly the article you're quoting is about how to CHANGE Sharia law.

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Originally Posted by Agent Ferris

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, an Islamism is political Islam IE non-secular Islam promoting implementation of Sharia Law, and adherent of Islamism is referred to as an Islamist. This Imam is an Islamist.

Then what is your point? The YMCA is not a church because it does not offer religious services, they do not hold mass at the YMCA.

lol, this Mosque holds religious services for Muslims and only Muslims, Mosques do allow non-Muslims to attend so that they may receive Dawa.

How do I sound just like him? If I sound just like him then he must be stating facts, because that's all I have done.

Most of your statements only go to prove your ignorance on the subject matter.

Here you go:

Just what am I misinformed about?

Actually they will let me in to receive Dawa which is the reason why allowing non-Muslims into this Mosque.

Chapels in hospitals do not hold masses. Chapels in hospitals are non-denominational unless the hospitals themselves are of a particular religion. This is a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic Community Center open to non-Muslims so that they might receive Dawa, if it was an actual community center then they would either be a) not offering religious services, or b) offering religious services to all members of the community.

Mosque - any place of Muslim worship. A jami-masjid or Friday Mosque is a major mosque where weekly prayer services are performed and a sermon or khutbah is given.

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Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy

I sincerely question your reading comprehension ability. Clearly the article you're quoting is about how to CHANGE Sharia law.

No he is saying that he wants to change the Penal Code while simultaneously advocating it Sharia law itself, hence the title of the article "How Islamic Law Can Work," his problem with the Sharia is not the criminilization of homosexuality, apostasy, adultery, pre-marital sex, or gender discrimination in cases related to inheritance and the like but rather his problem is with the penal code, if he was not an Islamist he would be supporting secularism not reform in the Sharia penal code.

The only one who's being ridiculous here is you. He clearly said that what he wants is: "...to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad...". Again his problem is not with Sharia but with the penal code.

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Re: The 911 Hard Hat Pledge

Originally Posted by Orion

Oh lord... I see the equivocation has begun.

Really? What equivocation have I begun? You made a false analogy between the YMCA and the Cordoba House, the YMCA does not offer religious services let alone religious services to only a specific religion, the Cordoba House offers religious services to Muslims and Muslims only.

You, also, gave a false definition for the term "Islamist," by asserting that an Islamist is simply an Islamic scholar, whereas, the fact is that an Islamist is an anti-secular pro-Sharia Muslim, this man is not a secular Muslim he is an Islamist.