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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jun 10 18:46:38 PDT 1995
Article: 22052 of alt.revisionism
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Oberst Lindbergh
Date: 8 Jun 1995 00:35:04 GMT
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In message - bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Geoff Lupton) writes:
:>
:>Once again, we have the tired old tactic of labelling anyone in
:>favour of isolationism or America First a "Nazi". Pat Buchanan
:>can testify to the fact that this malicious strategy is still in
:>use today by those who wish to smear and label patriots.
For once in my life Geoff, I agree with much of what you say. To overly
smear Lindbergh after the fact is a classic example of revisionism, in the
same way as _everyone_ now thinks the Allies were wrong to appease Hitler at
Munich in 1938. I don't agree with your politics, but I do agree that
Lindbergh represented a large proportion of American thinking at the time.
And we all conveniently forget how popular Hitler was at the time of the late
1930's.
Gord McFee
"I'll write no line before its time"
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Oberst Lindbergh
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In message - bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Geoff Lupton) writes:
:>
:>Once again, we have the tired old tactic of labelling anyone in
:>favour of isolationism or America First a "Nazi". Pat Buchanan
:>can testify to the fact that this malicious strategy is still in
:>use today by those who wish to smear and label patriots.
For once in my life Geoff, I agree with much of what you say. To overly
smear Lindbergh after the fact is a classic example of revisionism, in the
same way as _everyone_ now thinks the Allies were wrong to appease Hitler at
Munich in 1938. I don't agree with your politics, but I do agree that
Lindbergh represented a large proportion of American thinking at the time.
And we all conveniently forget how popular Hitler was at the time of the late
1930's.
Gord McFee
"I'll write no line before its time"
From bzs@world.std.com Sat Jun 10 19:48:08 PDT 1995
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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>Also note the jews have never stated whats contained in the book as false
>or wrong.
Hrm?
You just make this stuff up as you go along, right?
It's hard to imagine a book more disavowed by Jews than the "Protocols
of the Learned Elders of Zion".
In fact, it's hard to imagine a book more disavowed by anyone you
might choose, other than perhaps the Apocrypha.
The book takes entire sections, verbatim, from an earlier work by a
Maurice Joly who wrote his text as a satire of Napoleon III in 1864.
The earlier work it was largely plagiarized from exists. Joly was
imprisoned for writing his book, none of this is unknown or
mysterious.
"The Protocols" version was presented to Czar Nicholas in 1903 and had
been fabricated by some of his secret police, notably Sergei Nilus.
One of the more interesting thing to know is that copies around that
time claimed it was the proceeding of a meeting of Jews held at some
international congress in 1897. Unfortunately, copies of the text have
been found to exist as early as 1884!
Not to mention the chunks taken from an 1864 work.
This is silly.
--
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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:28:54 PDT 1995
Article: 5549 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 13:55:07 +1200
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> >> Egypt practiced brother/sister marriages, especially
> >> Ok. Any empires that owed their longetivity to inbreeding, then?
> >> (inbreeding being the only alternative to miscegenation). I am sure
> you
> >> can find any number of common factors to them ...
>
> >Sure. Ancient Egypt practiced brother/sister marriages, especially among
> >their royal dynasties. Ramses II was the product of five generations of
> >this type of inbreeding.
>
> >> the Celts and the Norse both were a stew of many different "races"
>
> >So our ancestors practiced mixing. Does that mean that we aren't allowed
> >to learn?
> So is Les proposing to fuck his sister?
A lot of the so called brother/sister marriages were typically cousins.
You'll find in a lot of ancient languages the words mean the same. So
they could be translated so and so married his cousin or so and so married
his sister. I'm not saying sister = cousin, the words used typically refer
being of the same household. These words could include Uncles, Aunts and
those further separated, the more important the family the larger pool of
relatives contained within that household. For example, the Saxon Kings
of England, a new king could be chosen from a larger pool than the late
man's immediate family. William the Conqueror claimed kinship to Edward
the Confessor as a proof of his validity to the throne.
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:29:24 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> >Ah, Colin McKinstry - my favorite, brain-dead Nazi.
Elena are you a nurse or are you experienced with being brain dead? Or
perhaps you are still brain dead? Perhaps the reason you are brain dead
is the heavy heroin usage? Perhaps you should stop using heroin. If
heroin is the reason for you being brain dead then I am most definitely
not taking your advice and using it.
> >Didn't I tell
> >you to keep up on your medication, Colin?
I'm still a bit reluctant to use heroin even after you assured me that
it's done you no harm. You forgot to mention how many years you had been
taken heroin. I'm not prepared to take heroin unless you have had at
least ten years of heavy usage and even then I want to see a photograph of
you (to see any visual signs of damage) as well as a medical report.
> >And what are you doing
> >out of a.p.white-power? Surely you realize the terms of your parole
> >don't allow for that?
I'm a master escape artist. Thanks for your inquiry.
> >Now let's just try and discuss things scientifically, shall we?
Obviously you don't believe in leading by example:
>
> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
mixture of races?
> >All of these people were
> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
extremely vulnerable to disease.
>
> >If fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >Neanderthal?
No the polynesian hold that spot.
> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
>
> >--- Elena -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races".
> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000
> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and
> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They
> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent
> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there
> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the
> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but
> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has
> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy)
> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan
> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
anthropologist and historian "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
and Anglo Saxons")?
Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
races together. The skulls are different.
>
> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of
> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom
> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants
> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not
> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ...
>
As mentioned before please look at anthropology. See if the ancient races
bear witness to the races of today.
Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
P.S Elena, if you do decide to stop using heroin perhaps you should talk
to JeFf HaN's pschiatrist, JeFf recommends him.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:29:48 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:31:06 +1200
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> I said:
> >> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
> >
> >Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
> >mixture of races?
>
> Colin, we all know you couldn't read genetics research if you found it.
> You couldn't even read news re-hash of genetics research, otherwise
> you would know something, instead of the big nothing you do know.
>
> Why don't you surprise us? Why don't you provide sources for this
> claim you have made, that the "North American Indians" are a
> "mixture of races?"
I didn't realise it was such a big secret. It was on NZ national
television news (TV1, TV3) last May (maybe wrong on when it appeared), and
with NZ having tighter censorship I assumed it would have been on
somewhere in the States (I erred). If I happen to see it on the telly
again I'll be sure to let you know.
Of course every so often it's mentioned in a journal, if I see an article
again I'll still let you know.
>
> I continued:
> >> >All of these people were
> >> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
> >
> >Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> >extremely vulnerable to disease.
>
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.
Perhaps you should reread the laws of genetics concerning second and
further generations of half breeds.
>
> and I continued:
> >> >In fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >> >Neanderthal?
> >
> >No the polynesian hold that spot.
>
> Oh really? That's really funny, because it's your fellow Nazis who
> claim they are spawn of the Neanderthal. I see you don't even read all
> the lies you're supposed to be studying.
In polynesia the neanderthal still exists. Read an physical anthropolgy
textbook on polynesia.
> You probably skip ahead to
> the part where you're promised that you get to murder little babies
> once you "take over."
Your right I missed that, darn. Since you seem to have read it where is it?
Someone knows about my plans for world conquest, whose the bloody psychic?
>
> and I said:
> >> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
> >Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
> >
> Well, some folks may have passed through that area on their way to
> Europe, but the notion that the Caucasus are the home of the "Caucasian"
> race (which doesn't exist, by the way) is quite dated. So who's Shannon,
> and where did s/he say that?
Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
of hot air.
You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
well documented).
>
> Then someone else said:
> >> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> >> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races".
> >> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000
> >> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and
> >> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They
> >> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent
> >> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there
> >> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the
> >> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but
> >> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has
> >> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy)
> >> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan
> >> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
>
> Is this what you're talking about? Hmmm. I don't see any mention of
> Caucasians there, nor their mountains. And let's examine the dates in
> question, shall we? 4000 years ago is well within recent history. It's
> not even prehistory, since we easily had writing by then, and agriculture
> 6000 or more years before that. So what's your point? I'm talking about
> the first Europeans, who started to populate Europe 40,000 years ago.
And? Was I supposed to think the above was correct? Hence the following:
>
> >So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
> >anthropologist and historian "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
> >and Anglo Saxons")?
>
> I haven't read the good "Doctor" so I have no comment either way. In any
> event, you're still talking about recent history, in terms of
> paleoanthropology.
Doctor Waddell talks about prehistory Britain as well.
>
> >Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
> >race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
> >races together. The skulls are different.
>
> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.
I see, your another liberal who doesn't like an point in an argument and
so belittles it with emotional name calling, not very scientific is it?
Explain to my ignorant self the unimportance of skull shapes and be sure
to use one syllable words so that I can comprehend it.
>
> And someone else continued:
> >> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of
> >> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom
> >> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants
> >> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not
> >> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ...
>
> >As mentioned before please look at anthropology. See if the ancient races
> >bear witness to the races of today.
>
> As mentioned before, pull your head out of the garbage heap and get an
> education. That is, if you're educable, which I sincerely doubt.
Educable to what? More liberal teachings?
>
> >Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
>
> Colin's reference to himself as "The abomination of the Earth" results
> from a previous exchange wherein he stated that infants born of an
> interracial union were "abominations" and should therefore be killed,
> along with their parents, and to which I responded by crowning him with
> the aforesaid title. Although, to resurect the poetry of it, I said
> that he was an "abomination upon the Earth."
I'm too much of an egomaniac to believe that anyone else could be an
abomination upon the Earth. Hence my term "The abomination of the Earth".
>
> It's rare that you see Nazis willing to admit openly the plans they have
> in store for the world, even as they so hypocritically engage in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Holocaust denial and historical revisionism.
Please define what you mean by hypocritical.
And please fill in these plans of mine which I have so unwittingly displayed.
Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth (no dissenters please).
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> > : Another kingdom that collapsed was Ireland, the black/pug Irishman of
> > : Southern Ireland. Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.
>
> This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
>
Perhaps the author of the above would like to contradict the Irish history
books that talk about the three migrations waves into Ireland, 1.
Caucasians after the Assyrian conquests (fled to Ireland). 2. Caucasians
and Assyrians after the Babylonian conquests. 3. Caucasians after the
Grecian conquests.
Southern Ireland is where the Assyrians went after the second migration
and we have claims of negro input from the next author (whom I'm not going
to dispute):
>
> > Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can
> > tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the
> > Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain). That
> > is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly
> > Mediterranean look about them.
Every book I've read on Irish history book that talks about the migration
movements into Ireland mention the Assyrian (the caucasian is my
interpretation, based on whose occupied Ireland for the last 2000 years).
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 13:59:08 +1200
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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:
> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
>
>
> > WP #1: Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> > and other qualities we have always lacked! What do we
> > do?!
>
> > WP #2: Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> > stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> > claim that we won the argument all together.
>
> They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles. Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
>
> > WP #1: That sounds like cowardice to me.
>
> > WP #2: Of course it is! We just won't admit it. It's a time-
> > honored tradition, it is. Lies and cowardice have always
> > been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
>
> > WP #1: Gee, you're so smart...
>
> Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...
Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack? Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>
> JeFf HaN
It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton). All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Just Say No to Racial Mixing
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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
>
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did. How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else? Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
>
> Here's one for your white-power sayings:
>
> "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"
I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.
Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest. Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture). And some polynesians are
liberals.
> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike? Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?
Colin. Being a bastard as usual.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jun 11 10:57:13 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> >Ah, Colin McKinstry - my favorite, brain-dead Nazi.
Elena are you a nurse or are you experienced with being brain dead? Or
perhaps you are still brain dead? Perhaps the reason you are brain dead
is the heavy heroin usage? Perhaps you should stop using heroin. If
heroin is the reason for you being brain dead then I am most definitely
not taking your advice and using it.
> >Didn't I tell
> >you to keep up on your medication, Colin?
I'm still a bit reluctant to use heroin even after you assured me that
it's done you no harm. You forgot to mention how many years you had been
taken heroin. I'm not prepared to take heroin unless you have had at
least ten years of heavy usage and even then I want to see a photograph of
you (to see any visual signs of damage) as well as a medical report.
> >And what are you doing
> >out of a.p.white-power? Surely you realize the terms of your parole
> >don't allow for that?
I'm a master escape artist. Thanks for your inquiry.
> >Now let's just try and discuss things scientifically, shall we?
Obviously you don't believe in leading by example:
>
> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
mixture of races?
> >All of these people were
> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
extremely vulnerable to disease.
>
> >If fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >Neanderthal?
No the polynesian hold that spot.
> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
>
> >--- Elena -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races".
> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000
> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and
> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They
> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent
> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there
> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the
> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but
> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has
> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy)
> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan
> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
anthropologist and historian "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
and Anglo Saxons")?
Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
races together. The skulls are different.
>
> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of
> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom
> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants
> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not
> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ...
>
As mentioned before please look at anthropology. See if the ancient races
bear witness to the races of today.
Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
P.S Elena, if you do decide to stop using heroin perhaps you should talk
to JeFf HaN's pschiatrist, JeFf recommends him.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jun 11 10:57:34 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> I said:
> >> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
> >
> >Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
> >mixture of races?
>
> Colin, we all know you couldn't read genetics research if you found it.
> You couldn't even read news re-hash of genetics research, otherwise
> you would know something, instead of the big nothing you do know.
>
> Why don't you surprise us? Why don't you provide sources for this
> claim you have made, that the "North American Indians" are a
> "mixture of races?"
I didn't realise it was such a big secret. It was on NZ national
television news (TV1, TV3) last May (maybe wrong on when it appeared), and
with NZ having tighter censorship I assumed it would have been on
somewhere in the States (I erred). If I happen to see it on the telly
again I'll be sure to let you know.
Of course every so often it's mentioned in a journal, if I see an article
again I'll still let you know.
>
> I continued:
> >> >All of these people were
> >> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
> >
> >Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> >extremely vulnerable to disease.
>
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.
Perhaps you should reread the laws of genetics concerning second and
further generations of half breeds.
>
> and I continued:
> >> >In fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >> >Neanderthal?
> >
> >No the polynesian hold that spot.
>
> Oh really? That's really funny, because it's your fellow Nazis who
> claim they are spawn of the Neanderthal. I see you don't even read all
> the lies you're supposed to be studying.
In polynesia the neanderthal still exists. Read an physical anthropolgy
textbook on polynesia.
> You probably skip ahead to
> the part where you're promised that you get to murder little babies
> once you "take over."
Your right I missed that, darn. Since you seem to have read it where is it?
Someone knows about my plans for world conquest, whose the bloody psychic?
>
> and I said:
> >> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
> >Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
> >
> Well, some folks may have passed through that area on their way to
> Europe, but the notion that the Caucasus are the home of the "Caucasian"
> race (which doesn't exist, by the way) is quite dated. So who's Shannon,
> and where did s/he say that?
Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
of hot air.
You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
well documented).
>
> Then someone else said:
> >> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> >> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races".
> >> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000
> >> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and
> >> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They
> >> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent
> >> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there
> >> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the
> >> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but
> >> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has
> >> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy)
> >> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan
> >> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
>
> Is this what you're talking about? Hmmm. I don't see any mention of
> Caucasians there, nor their mountains. And let's examine the dates in
> question, shall we? 4000 years ago is well within recent history. It's
> not even prehistory, since we easily had writing by then, and agriculture
> 6000 or more years before that. So what's your point? I'm talking about
> the first Europeans, who started to populate Europe 40,000 years ago.
And? Was I supposed to think the above was correct? Hence the following:
>
> >So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
> >anthropologist and historian "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
> >and Anglo Saxons")?
>
> I haven't read the good "Doctor" so I have no comment either way. In any
> event, you're still talking about recent history, in terms of
> paleoanthropology.
Doctor Waddell talks about prehistory Britain as well.
>
> >Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
> >race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
> >races together. The skulls are different.
>
> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.
I see, your another liberal who doesn't like an point in an argument and
so belittles it with emotional name calling, not very scientific is it?
Explain to my ignorant self the unimportance of skull shapes and be sure
to use one syllable words so that I can comprehend it.
>
> And someone else continued:
> >> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of
> >> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom
> >> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants
> >> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not
> >> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ...
>
> >As mentioned before please look at anthropology. See if the ancient races
> >bear witness to the races of today.
>
> As mentioned before, pull your head out of the garbage heap and get an
> education. That is, if you're educable, which I sincerely doubt.
Educable to what? More liberal teachings?
>
> >Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
>
> Colin's reference to himself as "The abomination of the Earth" results
> from a previous exchange wherein he stated that infants born of an
> interracial union were "abominations" and should therefore be killed,
> along with their parents, and to which I responded by crowning him with
> the aforesaid title. Although, to resurect the poetry of it, I said
> that he was an "abomination upon the Earth."
I'm too much of an egomaniac to believe that anyone else could be an
abomination upon the Earth. Hence my term "The abomination of the Earth".
>
> It's rare that you see Nazis willing to admit openly the plans they have
> in store for the world, even as they so hypocritically engage in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Holocaust denial and historical revisionism.
Please define what you mean by hypocritical.
And please fill in these plans of mine which I have so unwittingly displayed.
Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth (no dissenters please).
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > : Another kingdom that collapsed was Ireland, the black/pug Irishman of
> > : Southern Ireland. Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.
>
> This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
>
Perhaps the author of the above would like to contradict the Irish history
books that talk about the three migrations waves into Ireland, 1.
Caucasians after the Assyrian conquests (fled to Ireland). 2. Caucasians
and Assyrians after the Babylonian conquests. 3. Caucasians after the
Grecian conquests.
Southern Ireland is where the Assyrians went after the second migration
and we have claims of negro input from the next author (whom I'm not going
to dispute):
>
> > Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can
> > tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the
> > Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain). That
> > is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly
> > Mediterranean look about them.
Every book I've read on Irish history book that talks about the migration
movements into Ireland mention the Assyrian (the caucasian is my
interpretation, based on whose occupied Ireland for the last 2000 years).
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 13:59:08 +1200
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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:
> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
>
>
> > WP #1: Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> > and other qualities we have always lacked! What do we
> > do?!
>
> > WP #2: Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> > stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> > claim that we won the argument all together.
>
> They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles. Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
>
> > WP #1: That sounds like cowardice to me.
>
> > WP #2: Of course it is! We just won't admit it. It's a time-
> > honored tradition, it is. Lies and cowardice have always
> > been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
>
> > WP #1: Gee, you're so smart...
>
> Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...
Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack? Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>
> JeFf HaN
It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton). All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.
Colin.
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Subject: Re: Just Say No to Racial Mixing
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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
>
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did. How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else? Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
>
> Here's one for your white-power sayings:
>
> "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"
I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.
Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest. Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture). And some polynesians are
liberals.
> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike? Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?
Colin. Being a bastard as usual.
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Subject: Re: Gettin' land (was: Re: Expulsions! Expulsions!)
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jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz says...
>
> >I don't seem to see Les and his ilk saying that their tough either. You
> >came up with the statement, so if you can't take it don't write it. You
> >see, unlike you folks, I don't go around spurting verbal diarhaea.
>
> Golly, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the correct word should
> be "spouting."
>
No spurting is the word I intended. Spurting as in fluid action.
Colin.
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> Just for fun, a list of European empires which collapsed due to a lack of
> miscegenation. Cetic-Latin-Germanic assumed to be all components of
> "White", as they are all present in W., N., and non-Slavic Central
> European peoples.
>
> Etruscan Empire (6th Century BC)
> Athenian Empire (4th Century BC)
> Visigothic Empire in Spain (8th Century AD)
> Carolingian Empire (8th-10th Century AD)
> King Canute's Empire (9th Century AD?) - England, Scandinavia
> Anglo-Saxon England (1066)
> Teutonic Knights in Baltic (Late Middle Ages)
> Holy Roman Empire (17th-19th Century) - Gradual decline of once great
> Germanic Empire
> Swedish Empire (Early 18th Century) - arguably the purest Nordic Empire
> ever, barely
> lasted a century
> Austria-Hungary (1918) - The Germans and Magyars were fiercely
> nationalist, refusing to mix with the
> Slavs and causing their downfall
> Third Reich (1945) - Self-evident
> British Empire (1950's, 1960's) - Very color-conscious empire, marriage
> outside one's color
> frowned upon in Caribbean, India,
> and Africa, and look what happened.
Perhaps you failed to notice that they might have fallen but they came back,
except of course when they miscegenated later on. All you've really listed
is when a "dynasty" has fallen but was replaced by an another. The ones I
listed
never came back except when the land was reoccupied by a new power and people.
For example the Vesdu and the Aryan rule over India.
Perhaps you didn't notice with the British Empire that it became a
Commonwealth of nations. Each country paying respect to the crown while
remaining autonomous. One mustn't forget the role of the States when it
comes to the collapse of the British Empire.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
> need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
> of hot air.
> You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
> well documented).
>
Well I made an error, going over my notes last night the name should be
Sharon Turner. Please accept my apology (how could I expect you to know
about someone who didn't exist).
Though the Caucasus mountains still exist (under that name) please use a
Russian map, as you can guess they are unlikely to appear anywhere in a
map of America.
Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth.
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Subject: Re: Hybrid vigour and civilization
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> |> >>>Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> > |> >>>extremely vulnerable to disease.
> >
> > What sort of half-wit wrote this?
> > Obviously, someone who knows little about epidemiology.
> >
> > First of all, you need to dilineate between the different types
> > of diseases. Are you talking about genetically inherited defects,
> > bacterial infections, or viral infections? Or do you even know that
> > this distinction matters.
> >
> > In terms of genetic defects, cross breeding tends to supress
> > allele expression. Thus, you probably get a healthier organism.
>
I was generalising. Cross breeding is mainly guesswork (like
african/european honey bee mixes). Yes, occasionally you find an
incredibly resistant half breed. Only met one myself (got sick as often as
an average white) a first generation half breed. Oh if you don't think I
get a lot of exposure to half breeds then come visit Auckland New Zealand
the most multicultural city in the world. You can witness for yourself
half breeds in action.
Colin.
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> What the hell does that mean? Doesn't "breed" true. Since when are there
> "breeds" of humans. We've never been "bred" and consequently are about
> as similar as it's possible to be. Can you at least step into the
> latter half of the 20th century in terms of science, please?
I take it from your statement that you cannot grasp the concept of a breed
of dog, horse, sheep, bovine or cat either.
>
> >(Elena)
> >>>> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >>>> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >>>> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >>>> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
> >superior to Blacks.
>
> Logical only to ignoramuses like you, Les. Do you really not know that
> there is more genetic variation by far among sub-Saharan Africans than
> exists among the whole of the non-African population? Thus, there can
> be infinitely greater distance, genetically, between to black Africans
> then could be found between you (presuming you're European) and any
> Chinese man in Asia.
What sort of logic to you use, Mickey Mouse's? You'll note Les was not
commenting about genetic variation but about cross-breeds.
>
> I've told you many times: things like skull shapes, eyelids, body
> build, and pigmentation are directly selected for by the external
> environmental effects of weather, latitude and geography.
About the only one of the list is relevant is build. Have you come up
with a theory on how skull shapes change shape (not writing about the
effect of a hammer on one's skull). How long does it need (40 generations
perhaps)?
>
> That's why people from really hot climates are often slender, with
> short torsos and long limbs, while people from cold climates present
> the opposite appearance.
Only example you've given is build.
>
> It's these very superficial traits that 17th and 18th century
> naturalists based the whole concept of race on. They didn't know
> then what we know today about genetics, and they had their own
> motives for carving the species up as they did.
>
> We don't have to remain fixated on old, discredited and outdated
> science in population biology, anymore than we have to be stuck in
> the astronomy of that era. Had we been so backward in astronomy and
> physics, we never would have had the space program, or walked on the
> moon, any one of a million advances we have made because we pursued
> an open minded and scientific course.
Perhaps you'd like to explain how the ancients (who were sooooo ignorant)
managed to name the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy?
>
> Now we're faced with an era of immense gains in our understanding of
> these very issues of race that you are so obsessed with, and
> because the answers we are deriving don't jibe with your geocentric
> way of viewing things, you want to deny their existence.
>
> Well, I'll tell you Les - you can look in the mirror and deny it
> to yourself all you want, but when you get up on the net and promulgate
> 18th century science in a 21st century world, you just make a complete
> fool of yourself, and a laughing stock of your backward philosophies.
>
While you like to say we have an open minded and scientific course. Would
you please explain why natural anthropology is a banned discipline. Got
outlawed completely about ten years ago. I've been tempted to reproduce
some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving over the
evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition. Then of
course various inventions disappear because of our open mindedness. For
example Nikola Tesla came up with more than two inventions, yet nobody
(another generalisation) has ever heard of his other inventions.
Oh, you should note there is a discipline in genetics that study genetics
in regard to human migrations (Encyclopedia Brittanica v14pp465 1989). So
perhaps those outmoded sciences aren't outmoded (just to modern
propaganda).
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 13:59:08 +1200
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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:
> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
>
>
> > WP #1: Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> > and other qualities we have always lacked! What do we
> > do?!
>
> > WP #2: Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> > stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> > claim that we won the argument all together.
>
> They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles. Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
>
> > WP #1: That sounds like cowardice to me.
>
> > WP #2: Of course it is! We just won't admit it. It's a time-
> > honored tradition, it is. Lies and cowardice have always
> > been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
>
> > WP #1: Gee, you're so smart...
>
> Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...
Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack? Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>
> JeFf HaN
It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton). All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Just Say No to Racial Mixing
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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
>
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did. How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else? Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
>
> Here's one for your white-power sayings:
>
> "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"
I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.
Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest. Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture). And some polynesians are
liberals.
> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike? Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?
Colin. Being a bastard as usual.
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Subject: Re: Gettin' land (was: Re: Expulsions! Expulsions!)
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In article <3r62rs$1hca@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz says...
>
> >I don't seem to see Les and his ilk saying that their tough either. You
> >came up with the statement, so if you can't take it don't write it. You
> >see, unlike you folks, I don't go around spurting verbal diarhaea.
>
> Golly, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the correct word should
> be "spouting."
>
No spurting is the word I intended. Spurting as in fluid action.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: All Jew Haters Read This
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In article ,
pkramer@connix.com (Peter Kramer) wrote:
> > Perhaps you should see a physician, Colin; you may have to renew
your valium
I take it you know of a good one? Do physicians in your corner of the
world give out valium so freely? Please tell your physician for me that
he is doing a great job proscribing valium to you so far and that he
should continue the treatment. He must be a great man.
> > prescription. As for that part about the Jews' "delicacies (eg.,
> homosexuality)
Perhaps you should do some reading on the jew, like for example the sexual
preference of the average Israeli soldier. Until the politically correct
terminology it was reasonably well known that jews suffered heavily from
homosexuality (statistics before the 60's might help).
>
>
> Lithium would be more appropriate. Perhaps cyanide.
^^^^^^^
You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?
Colin.
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In article , sgarza@csubak.edu
(Steve Garza) wrote:
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
>
> (bearcat's long rational message deleted.)
You another one that believes he writes rational letters? Could you
please show us an example of your achievements? I seemed to have missed
any rational message that you have posted. They all seem to be irrational
likes bearcat's verbatim.
>
> > And we are to assume your letter was dealing with such things as logic,
> > science and intelligence?
> > By your own definition you've made yourself a nazi.
> > And you seem to hate Nazi's. Which would mean you hate yourself.
Before you
> > commit suicide you should contact Jeanne, she seems to have a fetish with
> > those that commit suicide.
> >
> > Colin.
>
> And am I to assume that you read his essay and then dismiss it with a
> little paragraph?
Yes, it's amazing how succinct I can be. Reduce a long piece of waffle
down to a few lines.
> Lester likes to do this too. He reads some long post and
> responds with a few lines. Hey, if bearcat is a Nazi that doesn't mean he
> has to buy the crap about the holocaust as never happening or Jews being
> nefarious and controlling the economy.
The point was he hated Nazis' then he defined Nazi's which unknownly
described himself. I'm not one to miss such a oppurtunity (though I might
since these types of letters seem to on the increase). Since he hated
Nazi's and his own definition made him a nazi. Then logically he hated
himself. QED.
> You don't get it do you. Hitler
> wanted to build a fantastic country with majestic buildings, science,
> aesthetics, and a better race of people through controlled breeding. Those
> were his goals for his country. But he needed a scapegoat to rally the
> people together. He found the Jews. If there had been no Jews, but a
> minority of Arabs, Asians, or blacks then those people would be been his
> scapegoats. He just needed an enemy. Educated people won't stand for ideas
> like that anymore. Just because the government of Iran would like to
> destroy America and create a holy war against the west does not make all
> Muslims evil. Just because a few rotten apples decide to blow up the trade
> center in New York does not mean that Muslims should be put in
> concentration camps or shipped off to Lebanon or some such place.
Perhaps you should take a history lesson on Jews and rulers. They always
seem to come to odds at some point. Perhaps that is the real reason?
>
> I am making sense to anyone or am I wasting my time? It seems like a bunch
> of common sense to me but hey, most posters here probably have not taken a
> critical thinking or logic class so I should not assume anything.
Yes you would be right. We can assume your one that hasn't attended a
critical thinking or logic class either. Either that or you never apply
it.
Colin.
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> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?
>
> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
> McKinstry?
>
All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).
Colin.
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>
> Perhaps you would be advised to read a little more carefully what Les and his
> ilk write, and attempt to decipher what they stand for. Once you have done
> that, you might wish to re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand
> the point I was making. If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.
>
> In any event, sir, I can take it. And you might be well advised to lose the
> excrement images--reminds one too much of Hitler's fascination with it.
>
>
So when did Les and his ilk write they were tough Gord or do you make it
up as you go? You didn't like it when I reapplyed the term to you with
your eloquent defence "I didn't say I was tough". So you would be advised
to read a little more carefully what Les and his ilk write, and attempt to
decipher what they stand for. Once you have done that, you might wish to
re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand the point I was
making. If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
Date: 13 Jun 1995 22:51:38 GMT
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> > Mr. Joshua seems unaware that Churchill and many others - FAR more
> >than believe in the authenticity of the Protocols - believed
> >in the Nazi
> >gas chambers, too. May we assume that in light of this startling new
> >information, he will now accept that homicidal gassing of Jews by the
> >Nazis must have been true to some extent at least?
>
> ..
> > The double standard of the hypocritical Mr. Joshua (and Colin
> >McKinstry, Chris Fowlie, and many other Holocaust deniers) stands
> >revealed in the way they argue for the authenticity of the Protocols.
>
How does Churchill's testimony bear witness for the so called falsity of
the Protocols? What ethnic group was Churchill's mother?
>
> > To him, the fact that influential people
> >believe in the Protocols is
> >evidence that there is some truth to them. But the fact that
> >far more people believe in the Holocaust is of no consequence.
>
> ..
Whether influential people believe in them is of little consequence. What
is contained within has far more merit. Would you care to argue over
other books which you haven't read? Why don't you read it? Afraid that we
might be right and that you might be wrong?
Colin.
P.S When you start waffling could you please keep it to a minimum?
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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> Mr. McKinstry claims that a previous note is untruthful:
>
> >I don't believe you. I've had access to the available book catalogues,
> >and no one had the Protocols for sale (this was a University book
> >Catalogue that access to International titles).
>
> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
> previous note was untruthful.
It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
I know because I tried to find it.
>
Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
Protocols. So why would I want to get one?
Colin.
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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> I've just done a search at Oxford University Library and found the following
> entry:
>
> Author(s): Nilus, Sergei Aleksandrovich, 1862-1929
> Title: The Jewish peril : protocols of the learned elders of Zion
> Publisher: "The Britons", London, 1920
> Edition: 3rd ed
>
> Note: Translated from Russian
>
> Subjects: Communism / Jewish question
>
> 95 p. ; 23 cm
>
> There are also entries for Polish and French translations, and another
edition
> published in 1985 by an Islamic organisation. All are marked as being in
> the library. These all-powerful Jews of Ricky's imagination don't seem to be
> quite so good at banning books as he appears to think.
>
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that public libraries often have the
Protocols. Which is where I read it.
Colin.
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> >> the Swedish dynasty stayed intact, but
> >> Sweden lost 1/2 its territory.
> >> Today, Sweden is an insignificant country noted perhaps for a high
> >> standard of living and neat furniture, but as a world power,
> >> it's nothing.
> >> This despite a racially "pure" population.
> >
> >You'll note Sweden is still going well. Whereas Portugal
> >isn't. I forgot to mention I have Portuguese friends as well
> >(deary me such ignorance on my part).
>
> How long since your friends have been home? Oh, and are they nazi
> kooks like you?
They go back approximately once a year. The ring up their parents
reasonably often. And no their not nazi kooks (whatever that means),
there as liberal as you are.
>
> Portugal's problems in the current era stem in large measure from
> the fascist dictatorship that wasn't overthrown until 1974. After
> that it took 11 years of wobbling as they tried to get their
> democratic footing.
>
The pre 1945 Encyclopedia Brittanica (under Portugal) puts it down to
racial mixing. That is until such things were censored (couldn't offend
the Portugeuse could we?).
> It took strong leadership to foster the beginnings of stability;
> I would point out that said leadership has been, on the whole,
> quite conservative. Although still troubled by a great deal of
> poverty for too many of its citizens, Portugal has been on the
> upswing for several years, and has the fastest growing economy
> in Europe.
>
> Do you believe in democracy? And what the hell does "miscegenation"
> have to do with it?
>
No I do not believe in democracy. It comes from the greek diamontes. Di
means split or schism. Montes means government. I do not believe in Split
or schismed government. The word demon has the same root. Demonocracy.
Colin.
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Subject: Re: reason and white supremacism
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> : Perhaps you could educate your liberal buddies to the art of reasoning.
> : Your friends have shown no ability in the art of reasoning.
>
> : > Have
> : > : you done a course recently that has taught you both to reason?
> : >
> : > No, we just pay attention to the real world.
>
> : Yes, while be both like Donald Duck, but Donald Duck does not constitute
> : the real world.
>
> You're kind of hard to talk with. I'm not sure I understand what you're
> trying to say here. Let me just reiterate: facts, history, the way the world
> turns, the way historical forces move, the way individuals and cultures
> interact--that's the real world. Of course, I'll watch Donald Duck
> anytime I have an opportunity. After all, I'm a red-blooded Amurrican
> boy.
Donald Duck world (at Walt Disney) is the world you live in (your claim to
paying attention to the real world). It's sarcasm, I'm prone to using it
on flippant remarks.
> Okay. Give me a lesson in reasoning. Les won't, even when I whine.
Unfortunately it is genetic. Few people have it.
>
> [clip]
>
> : > I call no one a brute, Colin.
>
> : You might if you saw me (hey! a one syllable sentence). Elena states that
> : I'm The abomination of the Earth.
>
> See, you're teaching me stuff already. Elena must know you a lot better
> than I do. I'd still not call you the abomination of the earth. I'd call
> the State, the military, and big business the abomination of the earth.
> I'd call every human being a victim of the beast that we've allowed to
> be created. Call it Mammon; call it Caesar; call it the Principalities and
> the Powers. Call it by its filthy name: Evil.
I don't see a problem with this. Perhaps you do have some reasoning ability.
Elena is a pyschic. She can make claims about all sorts of stuff. She
guessed I was a hunk of slime, I was planning on taking over the world
with my sheep legion and of course my favourite "The abomination of the
Earth".
>
> : Misinformed, scared, and filled with
> : > blather, but never a brute.
>
> : Misinformed? well lets see, I used to be a liberal once. Guess that is
> : what made me misinformed.
>
> Forget the "liberal" nonsense. I'm not a liberal either (although I'm
> clearly more influenced by classical and other liberals than you). I'd
> argue--can you guess?--that you're misinformed if you use shadows as
> your reasons for the way the world works. It ain't Jews, dude. It's classes.
How do classes affect anything? What you learn in academia is largely
crap with a few good bits and pieces. Lecturers by in large have no
concept of the world in action. Otherwise they wouldn't be lecturing.
>
> : Scared? Well I used to have a mild fear of heights, that is until I
> : overcame it.
>
> When the world's falling apart--as it transparently is--people get
> (naturally) scared. One of our biggest failings is to go for the simplest
> answers. I know because I've done that myself. Seems to me that white
> nationalists go for head-in-the-clouds conspiracy theories to try and
> make sense of a very complicated world situation. It provides a worldview
> and understanding. Same kind of base as Biblical literalism, etc. Answers,
> but then you can't go looking for questions any longer. At least, since
> you think you know how the world works, you don't have to be afraid any
> longer.
>
No, I now look for the Jews involved in it. How they managed to hide
their actions and fool almost everybody with it. While I agree not every
Jew is in on it (every race (ethnic group) has it's lower classes), the
Jew is behind most of worlds problems. This is further helped by the
liberals. How can you say that we shouldn't fear? There is a huge war
brewing.
> : Filled with blather? Guess I am, I reply to letters that contain nothing
> : but blather. So logically all I can do is add to it.
>
> No, you could refute me. Or teach me to reason in your sense of the word.
>
If I was trying to "convert" you over to my side I would use such
tactics. Unfortunately I have read Pro-verbs concerning certain groups of
people. With that knowledge I know better than trying to teach them
anything.
>
> Nope, don't do that. I'll leave it to Dracula.
Perhaps you realize that Dracula is about a Jew (Vladimar the Impaler)?
>
> : Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
>
> Be well, Colin.
> --
Only on Wednesdays.
Being an interesting discussion Chris, thanks.
Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
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Subject: Re: Jesus Christ a Jew?
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> > Oh, as stated before Jesus was from Galilee. Therefore regionally he
> > couldn't have been a jew (jew was a regional term, implying you were from
> > the place called Judaea).
>
> Really? What about all that stuff about being slaves in Egypt?
>
> But this is silly. Look up Jew in the dictionary:
>
> jew \ju\ n -s
> 1: a:Judahite (hey! there is such a word) b:Isrealite
Claims and nothing but claims. One of these things that become fact by
much repetition (for example the Greenhouse Effect).
>
> 2: a member of the nation existing in Palestine from the
> 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D. within which the elements
> of Judaism largely developed
Interesting comment, perhaps you should Josephus in this time era.
>
> 3: a person belonging to the worldwide group constituting continuation
> of descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people and characterized
> by a sense of community; esp: one whose religion is Judaism - see
> Ashkenazi, Sephardi
So who are the Ashkenazi and Sephardi?
>
> 4: a person believed to drive a hard bargain
>
> Yep. Sounds like Jesus was a Jew. Like I said, if he existed at
> all.
Better do some more work.
>
Jew is also a derogatry word. Ever heard the term "Your a Jew-boy"?
Colin.
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Subject: Re: Jesus Christ a Jew?
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> >> >Hate to burst your bubble, Barecat (actually, I don't), but there was no
> >> >Nazareth in Jesus' time, according to Roman maps. Jesus was a NAZARENE,
> >> >not "of Nazareth".
> >>
> >> Nazarene ... (phonetic spelling omitted)... n [ME Nazaren, fr. LL
> >> Nazarenus, fr. Gk Nazarenos, fr. Nazareth] 1: a native or resident of
> >> Nazareth 2 a: CHRISTIAN 1a b: a member of the Church of the Nazarene that
> >> is a Protestant denomination deriving from the merging of three holiness
> >> groups, stressing sanctification, and following Methodist polity
> >>
> >> Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary copyright 1981 G. & C. Merriam Co.
> >>
> >> Is this not like saying the city of London did not exist in Hadrian's
> >> time because there was no "London" on Roman maps of the period, but
> >> Londinium?
> >>
> >> Consulting my Roman Auto Club map of the period I see Les is right!
> >>
> > Congragulations Lee. Since you have proclaimed yourself the expert of the
> > city of Nazareth that supposedly existed then.
>
> I haven't proclaimed myself an expert on ANYTHING, least of all
> Jewdeo-Christianity.
Sorry Les, Lee was the one proclaiming expertise in the field.
>
> > Could you please tell me
> > about it. Since that is my current research topic, and I haven't yet
> > completed it. Theories I've heard that Nazareth was a town filled with
> > Essenes, but that seems unlikely because of the work I've done. All I've
> > managed to gather was Jesus was keeping the Nazarite vow (or at least done
> > so for some period of time). What got me confused is with Matthew saying
> > he came from Nazareth was that nobody has ever found out what he was cross
> > referencing too (at least to my knowledge). It's so damn blatantly
> > obvious. Without giving the game away it's in the whats called the minor
> > prophets.
I should probably define the so called minor prophets as no one as yet has
solved the prophecy quoted by Matthew. Try the book of Amos. It requires
only a little bit of lateral thinking.
> >
> > Oh, as stated before Jesus was from Galilee. Therefore regionally he
> > couldn't have been a jew (jew was a regional term, implying you were from
> > the place called Judaea).
> >
Colin.
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> > The Romans, who kept
> > accurate records on anything and everything worth looking at would've
> > surely wrote _something_ on Jesus, considering all of the "works" he
> > was supposed to have done.
I don't think may historians would back you 100% on your statement.
Romans suffered biasism just like everybody else.
Tacitus wrote a wee snippet about Jesus.
> --
>
> (News program fault-might not receive follow ups)
> The Romans did record happenings relating to Jesus, including the
> darkening of the heavens etc at the time of His death.
>
Romans by in large weren't concerned with Judaea either. So long as
Judaea continued to maintain the peace (as well as the taxes). So why
would they record something that didn't interest them?
Colin.
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> : Colin, and still The Abomination of the Earth (and no Elena you can't take
> : it back).
>
> Colon, the Kook of the Net.
>
> Mike "Ya gonna whine about name-calling now?" Beebe
> --
Why Mike so original? Couldn't you come up with something better? Your
imagination levels a bit low? It's rather boring wouldn't you agree?
Colin, and still The Abomination of the Earth.
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> Colin,
> Sweden and Austria may be "doing well", but they're doing well in a far
> smaller area than they did before. And they're insignificant on the world
> stage. As empires, they've collapsed. No one said anything about
> standard of living - that's a horse of a different color.
So I am not allowed to compare say Portugeuse and Swedish standard of
living? Because you say so. How pray is it a horse of a different colour?
Surely the health of a nation is reflective in it's standard of living?
> And I'm
> curious, what do you mean by N.Z. dying? If you mean in international
> significance, well, it's hard to say Austria is going strong and N.Z. is
> dying. If you mean in terms of standard of living, I don't believe
> there's such a gap between N.Z. and Austria, or that N.Z.'s is declining.
New Zealand is declining. It is almost third world status as it is.
Standard of Living is crap, people need food banks, inflation keeps well
ahead of wage rises so that money doesn't buy you a lot. Public transport
is crap. The sewers need to be replaced in all cities. Most of the
electrical cabling needs replacing. That sort of thing.
> The Queen controls the police force in India or Jamaica? She's
> commanding the tanks of the South African army? I knew she was head of
> state in a lot of these countries, but I had no idea that the Queen was
> also Commander in Chief of the armed forces, as in the US with the
> President. Or, are you insinuating she has full tactical command over the
> armed forces of the ex-Empire nations? :) Please. This isn't 1914 or
> 1939 - If Britain were to start a war (as in 1982) you may have a few
> Kiwis and Canadians join, maybe not, but the bulk of the ex-Empire is
> beyond British control. No Indians or Gurkhas would help out. The British
> Empire is a thing of the past.
No, she can literally still mobilise the armies of the commonwealth.
> You really head out into outer space on your WWII history. First of
> all, when you asked who the British were indebted to after the war, my
> immediate response was the U.S.
But who too is the US? If those history books are being fair they mention
the name Rockefeller.
> That's what all the history books say,
> too, and all the money is traceable. For a Jew to get a job in an
> American banking firm in the 30's and 40's was rare; for a mythical
> coterie of Jews to control the industry would have been inconceivable. If
> J.P. Morgan et al. were really controlled by secret Jews, wouldn't they
> made more of an effort to hire their brethren? Also, the "Churchill was
> Jewish" and Roosevelt/Rosenfeld stories were just constructs of Nazi
> propaganda - Even accepting that Churchill's Great-great-great-garndmother
> may have been Jewish, to say that therefore he decided to defend his
> country becuase of his loyalty to a fictitous long-dead ancestor is an
> unreasonable stretch of the imagination.
You only need go to Churchill's mother.
> Also, Roosevelt's ancestors (who
> were Dutch and English, pedigreed), be they Jewish or not, couldn't have
> done a thing to stop Pearl Harbor.
Then you go against all the things now been said about Pearl Harbour?
That Roosevelt knew about the Japanese attack (I first heard this from the
mouth of liberals).
> I'm curious how you arrive at 20% miscegenated for England. Are 1/5 of
> children born in England of mixed marriages?
Just a statistic I've heard from people living in Britain. This
apparently comes from the Department of Statistics. It's one of the many
things I have as yet not clarified, perhaps someone would like to it for
me?
> In the US, the number isn't
> close to that, and we're a far more diverse society than England.
> Besides, most Caribbean blacks and Indians arrived in Great Britain long
> after WWII ended and the Empire was gone, so to attribute the decline of
> the Pax Britannica to British miscegenation ignores chronology.
>
Yes, miscegenation isn't the cause of collapse, it's the resultant. Which
I blame on Liberals who have decided they don't the old laws.
> By the way, you've hit your nadir when you start using the typical
> racist approach - when backed into a corner by the facts of history, you
> start crying "Jew! Jew! Jew!"
Never knew we did, could you perhaps give quotes? Me, I was showing the
Jew involved in the cases. Jew, Jew and nothing but Jews was a response
was a succinct conclusion to your letter.
Colin.
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In article <3rhrpv$1k6@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:
> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
>
> : Well aren't some polynesian liberals? I can compile a list of names if you
> : don't believe me. Incest among polynesians is very high. Almost every
> : polynesian family will practise it at some stage. Then I wonder why when
> : the white women that marry into polynesian men complain when their dear
> : hubby rapes their little daughter.
>
> Source?
>
> Mike "Or is this another 'banned book' [smirk!]" Beebe
No, I'll just have to go through old court records. It would take a
little time but for you, no problem.
Colin. Or is this just another useless attack [smirk!]?
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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>> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
>> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
>> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
>> previous note was untruthful.
>
>It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
>I know because I tried to find it.
Well, you did not try very hard! I just typed "telnet dra.com", which
provides access to the library of congress catalogue, entered the
single word "protocols", paged down a few screenfuls on the hits and
found:
LC Call Number: DS145 .P5 1978
Author: Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
Title: Protocols of the learned elders of Zion / translated from
the Russian of Nilus by Victor E. Marsden.
Publication Info: New York : Gordon Press, 1978.
Phys. Description: 71 p. : ports. ; 23 cm.
My, that took almost 30 seconds.
>Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
>Protocols. So why would I want to get one?
Well, perhaps you have a valid complaint with your govt, but what has
that got to do with any of this?
We don't care if you get a copy or not, Mr McKinstry, not
particularly. We'd just rather you would stop lying and claiming that
no one else can.
If someone can produce an on-line copy of the "protocols" I will
gladly put it up in the Online Book Initiative for free distribution.
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>> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
>> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?
>>
>> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
>> McKinstry?
>>
>All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).
And you base this claim on....what?
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
>Protocols. So why would I want to get one?
and in a following message...
From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that public libraries often have the
>Protocols. Which is where I read it.
I suppose those librarians are lucky not to be in jail!
Oddly enough I just connected to the Victoria University of
Wellington, NZ online library card and didn't have any problem quickly
locating:
TITLE Warrant for genocide; the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy and
the Protocols of the Elders of Zion [by] Norman Cohn.
NAME 1. Cohn, Norman (Norman Rufus Colin), 1915-
IMPRINT London, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1967.
EXTENT 303 p. 12 plates (incl. ports., facsims.)
NOTES Bibliography: p. 289-296.
SUBJECT 1. Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
2. Antisemitism -- Germany.
Now clearly this is not a work that is likely to be very positive in
its view of the protocols, but does it contain the text Mr McKinstry
claims to be a criminal offense in New Zealand? Well, perhaps we
should have this entire university arrested along with Mr McKinstry's
librarian!
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cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> > > While you like to say we have an open minded and scientific course. Would
> > > you please explain why natural anthropology is a banned discipline. Got
> > > outlawed completely about ten years ago.
> >
> > McKinstry adopts the Griswoldian tactic of assertion sans substantiation.
> > Where was this "discipline" banned? Who banned it? What are the relevant
> > citations to the law that bans it?
>
> It was banned because it explains the races. Which a desiring to be
> multicultural governments couldn't afford to have. Hence why it was
> banned.
You still fail to provide any substantiation for your charge. You have
merely repeated it, and embroidered it a bit. Not one word of your reply
constitutes proof.
I suppose you could have misunderstood the question. I doubt it; it is far
more likely that you are trying desperately to avoid admitting that no
such ban exists. You say the ban was enacted "about ten years ago": it
follows that some specific act, by some specific body, instituted the ban.
Let me rephrase the questions, so as to avoid all possibility of
misunderstanding, whether honest or deliberate:
1) Who, specifically, banned the study of 'natural anthropology'?
("Multicultural governments" is not a specific. "The government of
Freedonia", for example, would be. Do you understand what 'specific' means
in this context? An actual name of an actual person or group of persons,
up to and including a national government or international body governing
some aspect of scientific study, is specific. A vague, handwaving "they"
is not.)
2) When and where was the ban enacted? (Specifics, again, are necessary.)
3) Where can documentation of the ban, specifying just what type of study
is banned and what the penalties will follow upon violation of the ban, be
found? Specific documents, dates, and page numbers must be given.
There is a common tactic, used many times before here and elsewhere by
others like McKinstry. It consists of saying, in effect: "I know this is
true. You're just ignorant of the facts of the matter. Why should I do
your homework for you? Go look it up yourself." This is not a valid
tactic: it conveniently overlooks the clear obligation of he who raises a
point or makes a claim to establish the evidence for said claim. It is not
the task of those who challenge a claim to back it up with evidence; it is
the task of those who make the claim to do so.
> > > I've been tempted to reproduce
> > > some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving over the
> > > evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition.
> >
> > A more likely explanation is that the evidence for McKinstry's alleged ban
> > simply does not exist.
> >
> Gee, my ego has been damaged. Why didn't you just say chicken?
If you insist. You are chicken: you fear that you cannot produce the
evidence for said ban, because no such ban exists.
> One day I might just reproduce some texts. Just be
> prepared for a lot of reading. Though only once the heat dies down on the
> propaganda against the Internet.
Since you have not defined what "heat dies down" means, you have given
yourself the perfect excuse to never post the evidence you claim to
possess.
JGB
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"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
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> >I've seen some strange ideas around here. But let's say we even had
> >a rational, clear-headed lib like Steve Garza come up and try to
> >debate us. The reason that they fail, time and again, it that we are
> >fighting on the side of Jesus Christ and everything he stands for.
>
>
> What?! Are you serious? Would JC be pro-WP if he were alive
> today? If you're answer is yes, how do you come to that conclusion?
> Maybe we're talking about someone else. I always thought JC preached
> love, acceptance, and non-violence...
>
Shit, so he never told his disciples if they didn't have a sword they were
to sell their cloak and buy one? Well we all now the peace in a sword. I
can just imagine those disciple hippies running around with 2 feet long
swords with slogans of "Make love not war". Perhaps they had those slogans
at the end of their swords? Making sure that no one was excessively
discomfited by them.
How about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"? Nice peace loving
message in that one.
Or even the two separate times he made scourges and whipped them
moneychangers (has anything changed?) out of the temple? Oh a scourge is
a whip with metal bits (hooks). Primarily designed to rip bare flesh. It
does it quite nicely. Guess he was really loving there. Accepted those
moneychangers didn't he?
Guess christians don't read their bibles too well eh?
Colin.
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Subject: Re: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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I> > > Did you ever feel like you COULD choose to be homosexual? did you ever
> > > have that option? Do you feel like you could, if you so desired, be
> > > attracted to members of your own gender?
>
> Well di you? I notice you ignore this little point. . .
No, heterosexual came to me like being able to grow a beard. I didn't make
a conscious decision. Hit puberty and then wham I started looking at
girls.
>
> > > As for the natural argument, many animal species have exhibited
> > > demonstrated homosexual behavior. (Rams, seagulls, bonobo apes)
> >
> > As they say "Only in America". Rams and seagulls anywhere else are
> > heterosexual. Can't speak for bonobo apes though my research,
> > unfortunately limited to books indicate the opposite of the current
> > propaganda machine to make sodomites happy.
>
> Actually, the ram research was done in England, and the Seagull research
> in France. . . next?
Only yo be propaganded in America. I'd love to see this research. Why
didn't farmers notice it before if it was normal? Rams loving
drainpipes? Give me a break. New Zealand's is the sheep capital of the
world, how many farmers live in your family? How many of your friends (an
assumption) are farmers? Guess they must ALL have normal rams. These
researches must have imported the rams from America surely?
As for seagulls, I lived near the beach practically all my life. Never
saw once a drainpipe loving seagull. In France they must have specially
imported them from America as well.
>
> As for the Bonobo apes, I can post the research here if anybody really
> wants to see it.
Actually I would, I went through this once with a liberal female. She was
most distressed when she realized it was a lie.
>
> > > As for why it's a good and productive thing, well, overpopulation is a
> > > bad thing, right? Homosexuals are less likely to reproduce. In fact,
> > > back when we were all hunter/gatherers, a homosexual realtive (who would
> > > be unlikely to have children of hir own) could be very useful in case a
> > > child's natural parents died. Sie also would contribute to the resources
> > > of the tribe without producing children to deplete those resources.
> >
> > Lets see how many sodomites actually add to the community. Farmers, well
> > they all seem to be heterosexual. The list goes on and on ... the last,
> > but not least, argument that they work against society to produce a
> > decadent, slothful, and soft people that any man and his dog could defeat.
>
> Tony Kushner? Barney Frank? Jodie Foster? Eleanor Roosovelt?
>
> Nah, they were all a pox on society, beginning to end. . .
>
Couldn't agree with more.
> And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more
> bizarre things I've seen on the Net. Cites, please?
>
Please cite sodomite farmers, please?
> > > The
> > > list goes on and on. . . . the last, but not least, argument being that
> > > if two people are completely and totally in love, it is blatantly wrong
> > > to keep them apart.
> >
> > Back to emotional tactics are we? Define love.
>
> Ego-death. The state of caring about another individual's well-being
> more than your own. Never having to say you're sorry.
So children don't love their mother then? I guess when children when they
say they are sorry are saying "I hate you", right?
> A happy little
> sled that suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. (At night, the
> ice weasels come.)
>
One of the most bizarre things I've seen on the Net.
> Whatever the definition, please tell me why it is just to separate two
> people who believe that they are in love.
>
> --Asharte
I can't Asharte until you define the word love. All I know from your
definition is that is if a wife loves (whatever that means) her husband
(and vice versa) and one of them dies. Then it follows the other should be
put to death so they are not separated.
You should also define what you mean by "believe" also, too many
christians have stuffed that word up. Wouldn't know what you mean by it
these days.
Colin.
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> >It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
> >I know because I tried to find it.
>
> Interesting. I imagine I could find it in ten minutes, merely by
> checking out Raven's web page.
>
> Did you consider looking in the bibliography of this book, in the
> Victoria University library ?
>
> ---
> TITLE Warrant for genocide; the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy and
> the Protocols of the Elders of Zion [by] Norman Cohn.
>
> NAME 1. Cohn, Norman (Norman Rufus Colin), 1915-
>
> IMPRINT London, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1967.
> EXTENT 303 p. 12 plates (incl. ports., facsims.)
>
> NOTES Bibliography: p. 289-296.
>
> SUBJECT 1. Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
> 2. Antisemitism -- Germany.
> ---
>
> Or is it too difficult for you to telnet opac or ask a librarian
> about inter-library loans ?
>
> >Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
> >Protocols. So why would I want to get one?
>
> Mind telling me what piece of legislation and clause it violates ?
>
> - Tony Q.
> ---
It comes under the UN law, human rights -- I can get the appropriate numbers.
It comes under the section "Inciting racial hatred" which covers all most
everything.
Colin.
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> >> but not least, argument that they work against society to produce a
> > >> decadent, slothful, and soft people that any man and his dog could
defeat.
> > >
> > > Tony Kushner?
> >
> > Who's that?
>
> A playwright. He wrote _Angels in America_, which was just about the
> most popular new play in years. Won a whole bunch of awards. I'm
> surprised you never heard of it.
Was Angels that crappy comedy about Baseball? And you thought it was
good? No accounting for some people's tastes.
>
> >
> > > Barney Frank?
> >
> > You're defeating yourself here!
> >
> Is he "decadent, slothful, and soft"? No. He's a highly successful
> politician.
Aren't all politicians decadent, slothful and soft? A bit self defeating
isn't it?
>
> > > Jodie Foster?
> >
> > Does she know that you guys are claiming her as one of your own?
>
> Who is "you guys" here? And yes, I think she does. . . .
>
> > > Eleanor Roosovelt?
> >
> > Same as for Barney Frank, you're not helping your argument!
>
> Once again, a highly intelligent, successful woman. . .
And that somehow disproves that they aren't decadent, slothful and soft,
especially in today's liberalists society?
> > > And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more
> > > bizarre things I've seen on the Net. Cites, please?
> >
> > And have you any evidence that they AREN'T?
> >
> You made the assertion. Burden of proof is therefore upon _you_.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds more like crap. I made the statement, it's up to you to prove me
wrong. That is if you can.
Hows the definition of love coming along Asharte?
How about "An environmental expression that comes from an ego problem"?
Colin.
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> > I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> > Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
> babies
> (I thought you guys might wonder what badies were! It only rains in Arica
> once in 50 years on average. It is officially the driest place on earth.
> When people died they would put them in pits and after they had collected
> enough they would bury a woman, man, and children together as spiritual
> families.)
>
> > her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
>
Sounds like they believed in Asharte's definition of love. You will
note Chile and Africa (please proof read before you write) are on
different continents. And since "Gondwona" is supposed to be further back
in history, you cannot say (though you already have) that Chile is part of
Africa. Yes I realize Africa is a continent all by itself.
Colin.
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> > > (bearcat's long rational message deleted.)
> >
> > You another one that believes he writes rational letters? Could you
> > please show us an example of your achievements? I seemed to have missed
> > any rational message that you have posted. They all seem to be irrational
> > likes bearcat's verbatim.
>
> I will elaborate. Bearcat's message did not fit together as a argument
> with one premise supporting some argument. But each point he made seemed
> reasonable as I read it as it was a summation of what I know from history.
Bearcat's message: I can write emotional letters, here is proof.
> But you're right. A more detailed analysis is required.
>
> 1) Anti-Semetism exists (Lunatics who cook up conspiracy theories.)
> a. Groups of people over time have invented myths and hatred toward Jews.
Maybe they had just cause.
> b. Pogroms have occured against the Jewish people for hundreds of years.
Probably because they deserved it.
> c. The inquisition forced Jews to convert or be put to death.
Inquisitors like Torquemada had jewish origins. Jews killing Jews. Next point.
> d. The holocaust killed 6 million Jews.
An overestimation. A mathematical impossibility (you can use a ordinary
calculator on the figures).
> e. Confiscation of Jewish property.
Thats what happens when the government wants something you have. Happens
to all groups of people (like the Palestinians).
> f. Laws forcing Jews into gettos and certain occupations.
To keep them separate. Since they believe they are Israel, and Israel is
a holy (separate) people. They were enforcing there own laws upon them.
QED.
> 2) Nazi crimes become known, nobody likes Jews, and Nazis aren't punished.
> Ok. So this point is weak. Nazis crimes generally are not well enough
> known. Not enough people have been exposed to the horrid images and
> testimonies of the crimes committed by the Thrid Reich. Some people are
> not concerned about Jews. Some people hate them while others adore them.
> Some Nazis were incarcerated, a few put to death, and some escaped and
> changed identity or were never charged.
The Nuremburg trials beg to differ over supposed Nazi crime.
> 3) Little Nazi parties exist in Western countries.
> Fact.
Liberals exist in Western countries.
Fact.
> 4) Nazis dream up the idea that whites are Jews.
> I have no information on a subset of Nazis supporting the idea that
> they are Jews. Other groups of "whites" have dreamed up ideas that they
> are Jews or decendents of the lost tribes. Mormons and some protestant
> groups are two examples I can think of. I used to subscribe to a religious
> magazine called the Plain Truth. They offered a free book entitled America
> and Britain in Prophosey. They seemed to support such ideas.
So what is a Jew, where does the name come from? Not from the bible thats
for sure. Ester, Jew should be translated Judahite. So called new
testament Jew should be translated Judaean. Point?
I fail to see one letter entailing that "Nazis" claim they were Jews.
Israel yes, not Jews. Hebrew yes, not Jews. Semitic yes, not Jews.
Adamic yes, not Jews. Aryan yes, not Jews. Caucasian yes, not Jews. White
yes, not Jews. I've yet to see Jews yes, Jews aren't Jews. While I have
mentioned that Jews are Idumaeans (Jewish Encyclopedia 1925 under Edom) I
have always called them Jews. I have mentioned that Ashkenazi are not
Israel yes. Always said Ashkenazi are Jews. Have mentioned that
Sephardic are not Israel. Always said Sephardic are Jews.
> 5) Being Anti-semitic, rejecting the religious values of Judaism yet
> claiming to be Jewish is contradictory.
See above. Please note, I can trace my ancestry back to Pheonicia. You
could look up the dictionary on Semitic. You'll note Pheonician under the
category. How can I be anti-semitic?
>
> To reiterate Bearcat: I hope this helps.
> Look, I don't claim to be an expert on Jewish History or genetics or
> anthropology or even politics. But I do have the background knowledge and
> logic to see fallacies as blantant as believing that whites are descended
> from Jews.
See above.
>
> > Perhaps you should take a history lesson on Jews and rulers. They always
> > seem to come to odds at some point. Perhaps that is the real reason?
>
> Just listen to you: They always seem to come to odds at SOME POINT. What
> about all the years people live in peace until some day the economy is
> bad, disease rears it's ugly head, or war comes along. Then people need
> someone to blame.
>
Funny how the Jews always seem to have their greedy fingers in the pie.
> > > I am making sense to anyone or am I wasting my time? It seems like a bunch
> > > of common sense to me but hey, most posters here probably have not taken a
> > > critical thinking or logic class so I should not assume anything.
> >
> > Yes you would be right. We can assume your one that hasn't attended a
> > critical thinking or logic class either. Either that or you never apply
> > it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >^^^^^
> > Colin.
>
> Do you really want me to? I admitted I was using common sense. What
> fucking damn incentive do I have to spend hours researching to bring up
> credible sources for fools who use one liners or short paragraphs?
I find it incredibly difficult to waffle. It's always been the downer on
my English grades. You may have perfected the art, I haven't. I try to
be as brief as possible.
> I tell
> you what Mr. McKinstry. Lets both spend at least eight hours going to the
> library. You can get evidence to prove whites are Jews and I can go to
> collect evidence that they are not.
Please read above. Israel on the other hand sure. I've already jumped
the gun. Jeanne wrote a letter to try and mock me "Sparky Vintage
McKinstry". You'll note various etymological evidences provided there.
Please read first. That was not even the tip of the iceberg. The fairy
tales stuff is just sugar coating. I don't claim it's proof of identity.
> Then you can develop your thesis and
> support it with premises and facts. Then present at least a five page
> report on your findings. Also a page of references would help. Do you
> want to take the challenge? I'll spend my time if you'll spend yours.
>
> "Lets see an example of your achievements."
>
> I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
> her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
>
> Right now I can log into four different super computers including a Cray
> T3D and a Paragate parallel computer.
>
> I just finished writing an economist data base in Visual Basic.
>
> I took a logic class.
>
> I took a critical thinking class.
>
> I graduated from college.
>
> While this isn't nearly enough. It is a start.
Not bad. If I said "Does it prove anything?" would that hurt your ego too
much. I spend a few hours every day researching bits and pieces.
I have been to various Maori sites, and have found first hand Pheonician
artifacts. Possibly date back 3000 years. For example a Pheonician Doll
made out of Totora wood which came from Thames (New Zealand).
I took a logic class
I took a critical thinking class
I graduated from University.
Currently still at University.
Studied Astrophysics for seven years (a hobby).
Studied medieval history for five years (a hobby).
Studied mythology for ten years (a hobby).
Studied ancient history for two years (a hobby).
Studied prehistory for four years (a hobby).
Studied computer science for three years (a hobby).
Studied "British-Israel" for twelve years (a hobby).
While this isn't nearly enough. It is a start. And it's nowhere near complete.
If I got reasonable response from the audience I would write lengthy
articles. When I first appeared they were of this criteria. I got no
response. So I quickly learned what maturity level the audience is. I now
write letters according to that maturity level. If however you want
something more your going to have to prove it. I can't see why I should
wast my time and years of research just to have it ignored by a group of
immature people. The side that you've sided with typically has done no
work and like to mouth off on their feelings. While I can understand
their revulsion to white power (due to extensive propaganda campaigns)
their lack of effort shines through like a beacon.
Yours,
Colin.
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> >Probably just copying their friendly black neighbours (if they can get
> >away with so can I attitude).
>
> Hmmm... When did you last see a black person do something as
> horrible/dumb as what was done by the Oklahoma bomb?
>
What about Arabs hmmm?
Oh, has a court of law already prosecuted McVeigh and found him guilty?
Otherwise your statements are misdirected. Unless of course you like to
show your liberal (lawlessness) origins. Isn't one of America's
foundations of justice "Innocent until proven guilty"?
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Homo "love" (was: They were BORN that way!)
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> 1. How is it just to separate two people who believe that they are in love?
So children should never leave home? Husband's shouldn't work (as they
will be separated from their wives)? Do you want me to continue?
>
> 2. What is the question which you seem to think I'm "dodging?"
>
Probably the one I asked. Define love. Also define believe.
If you cannot come up with a suitable definition then I can see no wrong
in separating "two people who believe that they are in love".
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: "Banned" material?
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> You know, just for the hell of it, I walked into the Kingston Public Library
> too see if I could find anything on the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion.
> I found several original texts (not THE original texts) and books on them.
> Took me about five minutes. Amazingly enough, they were neither locked
> up nor hidden. They were, in fact, all in the common reference section.
>
> So I tried the Queen's University collection at Stouffer Library. Same
result.
>
> This is a banned book?
Oh de fortune of living in America.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Communique from ZOG
Date: 15 Jun 1995 07:59:24 GMT
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> While listening to my shortwave radio tonight I
> intercepted the Voice of ZOG report, at 8.P.M. E.S.T. on 19.48
> Megahertz.
>
> ZOG Intelligence officer revealed for the first time tonight that
> Science-Tech ZOG is about to unveil their new netweapon for use in the
> netwar between the supporters of World Jewish Control and dose
> wascally white supremacists.
>
> The new weapon is called 9MM for Windows. Soon after .357Mag. &
> 45ACP for Windows will be released. Apple and OS2 versions of course
> will take longer.
>
>
> The following is a transcription of the interview between the Voice of
> ZOG radio DJ and ZOG Intelligence agent #001897.
>
> DJ: What was the need for this new technology?
>
> Agent 001897: ZOG spies recently discovered that the white
> supremacists were far along in the development of their own netwaffen.
> It will soon come to market and it's called: Fertilizer for Windows.
> And after their recent success in OK this may prove to be a potent
> weapon.
>
> DJ: Are our Jewish scientists working on a similar project?
>
> Agent 001897: ZOG Tech. looked at it closely and came to the
> conclusion our enemies were already to far ahead in this area.
> Besides, everybody knows the neo-nazis are unquestionably the
> undisputed experts in....er.....Fertilizer.
> And besides, we were in a race against time. Several weeks back one of
> our top agents went insane, joined the Jews for Jesus, and before he
> could be stopped released three of our most closely guarded secrets.
> ZOG must win quickly now before this information becomes generally
> known to all those Christian dupes.
>
> DJ: Now that it's public, would you mind repeating the three
> secrets so our ZOG listeners will be prepared for the inevitable
> netkrieg by the neo-nazis.
>
> Agent 001897: Of course, first, it is now known that Ronald
> Reagan's real name was Reuben Rosenstein. And he's an executive board
> member of the Elders of Zion.
>
> DJ: OY!! You mean it was really the "Rosenstein Revolution?"
> OY!!, wait till Pat Buchanan finds out!
>
> Agent 001897: Worse, our turncoat agent revealed the true meaning
> of the company name G.M., which of course stands for General Moses.
> And if that wasn't enough, ZOG's most secret weapon, MicroAssChips
> (macs) became known.
>
> DJ: OY!, what if the neo's find out how to disable the macs?
>
> Agent 001897: It's a serious problem, however it is a very
> delicate operation, complicated by the fact that the neo's brains are
> located in the same general area. So I don't believe many will be
> successfully disabled.
>
> DJ: There is a rumour that in the future the microasschips might
> be better placed in the male sexual organ. Is there any truth to that
> story?
>
> Agent 001897: Yes, Medical ZOG have done some experiments in that
> area. However, we're dealing with the Neo's, so we found we just
> didn't have enough to work with.
>
>
> The report ended with the usual sign-off announcement:
>
> If you want to contact ZOG write to:
>
>
> ZOG
> PLANET EARTH
>
> (no other address details required as we own the entire world)
>
>
> They closed with the nightly musical number, which was
> new House-Club-Techno version of the 1944 classic by
> Spike Jones, "In Der Fuhrer's Face"
>
> End of Communique
>
>
> I'll keep the radio on,
>
> Chuck
>
> Readers of Less Griswelch's posts die many deaths,
> Readers of alt.tasteless.jokes, taste of death but once.
Probably the most amusing thing a liberal has done.
Can you please do an equally impressive repeat performance or this a stand
alone performance? Please keep it at least as amusing as this one.
Colin.
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> >And Jews have a history of crying their way into the hearts of a people
> >then turning
> >on the people who helped them. Read your Jew bible. It shows how hateful
> >you Jews
> >are. Everything that the Jews are doing today can be found in your bible.
> >You people want to know why everyone wants to kill you. Read your dirty
> >fucking kike bible.
> >Start with what you bastards did to Egypt
>
> Yes. It's true! I confess! The Egyptians helped us Jews by allowing
> Joseph to save them from famine. To further show their benevolence, the
> Egyptians generously enslaved us and started killing our firstborn males.
> You can read all about their generosity in the Bible, just as you say!
> How unreasonable of us Jews to ask to be let go, after all the nice things
> the Egyptians did for us!
Thats a wierd statement coming from a self confessed Ashkenazi Jew. What
did you have to do with Joseph? Weren't you guys in Mount Seir at the
time?
> >then work your up to how you fucked up Rome. You knife in the back all
> >who befriend you.
>
> Yes! Those friendly Romans benevolently invaded and took over Judea!
> And we Jews were so ungrateful that we revolted. We sure messed up those
> Romans - bleeding all over the Roman soldiers' swords and armor! Do you
> know how hard it is to get bloodstains out?
>
Obviously doing you a favour. Though didn't the Idumaeans do the most
killing in the sacking of Jerusalem (those people originally from Mount
Seir)?
>
> >America helped you out of Germany and 50 years later you bastards have
> >killed this nation. America is fucked up because we tried to help you
> >Jews. If America would have rejected the Jews and helped Hitler
> >then America would still be a great nation.
>
> Yes! If only the US hadn't belligerently parked its ships _right_
> under where the Japanese dropped their bombs (no doubt due to an evil
> Zionist plot),
I thought the Roosevelt conspiracy was incredibly well documented. But I
forget, USA never shows it documentary's over it's own TV stations. Just
to other countries. Gimme a break.
> Hitler wouldn't have been _forced_ by this hostile action
> to declare war on America! But now, we evil Bolshevist Jews have
> destroyed the United States, which is why the Soviet Union is now the only
> superpower in the world!
>
> *sob* Oh, how can you ever forgive us?
Because we won't. I've got my pile of rocks ready (not forgetting the
sheep legion).
Colin.
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> >>Ol JC was a Jew? Nah... According
> >>to my uncle's Talmud, he was a bastard,
> >>and his mother was a whore. Sanhedrin. ;>
> >
> >... some of the early anti-semites who
> >admired Jesus for some reason insisted that he *had* to be a
> >non-Jew. One such desperate piece of reasoning can be found
> >in Houston Stewart Chamberlain in _Foundations of the
> >Nineteenth Century_. I read somewhere that the Talmud said
> >Jesus' father was a Roman soldier. Can anyone verify this?
>
> The talmud, as it existed prior to 500 A.D. has no mention whatsoever
> of Jesus. If something were added after 500 A.D. it hardly matters,
> does it?
>
> >Regards Mary, and the traditional Jews (not the Reform Jews)
> >hold that it's the mother that counts, there are two
> >traditions regarding Mary's birthplace. The Western (Roman
> >Catholic) one places her in Bethlehem, which is inside
> >Jewish territory, but the Eastern Orthodox place her in
> >Galilee, called in the Old Testament "Galilee of the
> >nations" in the King James Version, and "Galilee of the
> >Gentiles" in other translations. I looked up the Hebrew word
> >in Strong's Concordance, and it's "goyim," which means in
> >Hebrew the same as "gentiles" does in its Latin root, namely
> >"kinds." This could be taken, therefore, as implying that
> >Mary was not Jewish.
>
> In ancient Hebrew, 'goyim' meant only "nation."
How could ancient hebrew be in the so called new testament. The word in
hebrew is goy and it means stranger (well a little bit more, just giving
KJ version). Strong's concordance only gives Hebrew (so called old) and
Greek (new). I haven't checked Aramiac, but Strong's doesn't cover
Aramiac.
>
> If Jesus existed, then he was most certainly Jewish, given that he
> practiced Judaism. The "last supper" is, after all, a Passover seder.
> Also, the whole concept of a Messiah is 100% Jewish. They, those who
> go in for that sort of thing, are still awaiting the Messiah.
>
> During the terrible days in Israel, when Roman occupation was
> an onerous burden, and any Jewish rebels were likely to be
> crucified, self-proclaimed Messiahs were a dime a dozen.
>
> >If contemporary Jews want to disown Jesus, I can understand,
>
> There is absolutely no interest, to my knowledge in disowning
> Jesus. Some people just don't believe he really existed, given the
> fact that the gospels were transcribed 100 years after his death.
>
Evidence. Reputably Revelations was the last book written and that was in 96 AD.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > > I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> > > Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
> > babies
> > (I thought you guys might wonder what badies were! It only rains in Arica
> > once in 50 years on average. It is officially the driest place on earth.
> > When people died they would put them in pits and after they had collected
> > enough they would bury a woman, man, and children together as spiritual
> > families.)
> >
> > > her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
> >
> Sounds like they believed in Asharte's definition of love. You will
> note Chile and Africa (please proof read before you write) are on
> different continents. And since "Gondwona" is supposed to be further back
> in history, you cannot say (though you already have) that Chile is part of
> Africa. Yes I realize Africa is a continent all by itself.
>
Steve if you are still reading this. My apologies. My server couldn't seem
to comprehend your address. Yes Mike Stein already pointed out the Arica
is a place in Chile. Apologies once again.
Are you really interested in what I have to say about "British-Israel",
my previous experience with people has led me to believe I am wasting my time.
Are you one of these people? What bean of difference would it make to you
if I thrashed you to the point of embarrassment? Jeff Han, joan and Young
Ho are good examples of this.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
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> >> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
> >> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
> >> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
> >> previous note was untruthful.
> >
> >It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
> >I know because I tried to find it.
>
> Well, you did not try very hard! I just typed "telnet dra.com", which
> provides access to the library of congress catalogue, entered the
> single word "protocols", paged down a few screenfuls on the hits and
> found:
>
> LC Call Number: DS145 .P5 1978
>
> Author: Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
>
> Title: Protocols of the learned elders of Zion / translated from
> the Russian of Nilus by Victor E. Marsden.
>
> Publication Info: New York : Gordon Press, 1978.
> Phys. Description: 71 p. : ports. ; 23 cm.
>
> My, that took almost 30 seconds.
Thanks for the information. It's amazing what happens when you goad
people into action.
>
> >Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
> >Protocols. So why would I want to get one?
>
> Well, perhaps you have a valid complaint with your govt, but what has
> that got to do with any of this?
Some liberal was saying they could get me one.
>
> We don't care if you get a copy or not, Mr McKinstry, not
> particularly. We'd just rather you would stop lying and claiming that
> no one else can.
>
> If someone can produce an on-line copy of the "protocols" I will
> gladly put it up in the Online Book Initiative for free distribution.
>
If you would.
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jun 16 19:14:47 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >How does Churchill's testimony bear witness for the so called falsity of
> >the Protocols?
>
> I never said it did. Rather, a previous poster tried to insinuate
> that Churchill's belief in them bore witness to the _truth_ of the
> Protocols. This is a fallacious argument known as appeal to authority. I
> was pointing out this logical error using a satirical literary style.
> Unfortunately this proved to be beyond the level of your reading skills.
>
>
> >Whether influential people believe in them is of little consequence.
>
> Precisely the point I was trying to make. Perhaps you can explain
> this to the other poster who thought it was significant.
>
>
> >Would you care to argue over other books which you haven't read? Why
> >don't you read it?
>
> But precisely what makes you think I have not read the Protocols? Are
> you confusing me with someone else, or yet again hallucinating words I
> never wrote?
>
> In any event, I was offering a comment on the speciousness of the
> logic used by someone else to argue for the authenticity of the Protocols,
> not a comment on the Protocols themselves. I was also offering a comment
> on double standards for evidence.
>
>
> >P.S When you start waffling could you please keep it to a minimum?
>
> When you learn to read and interpret text correctly and follow a
> logical train of thought, do please let us know.
>
Didn't I reply to you on this a couple of days ago Mike?
Could you save me the trouble and post my reply?
Thanks,
Colin.
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> Les,
> I'm impressed. You followed up an entire post with only one borderline
> relevant comment. Bravo for you - that's one more than usual.
You make it so easy.
> I claim that Germans and English aren't pure Indo-European, due to
> mixing during the Roman Empire and Asiatic invasions which colored
> Germany's gene pool, and you reply...
>
> "You're just being silly."
May I interject. What race were the the original Romans? Martian?
>
> Me and 99% of historians in the world. Like I said, Les, trace your
> ancestry back 2,000 years and make sure your ancestors weren't
> dilly-dallying with Roman slaves from Africa or weren't raped by Huns,
> Magyars, or Avars.
My ancestors were doing quite fine 2000 years ago. Neither dilly-dallying
with Roman Slaves from Africa nor raped by Huns. You mustn't also forget
even if progeny did occur between Huns and Aryans it tended to meet a
rock. You can read the various Roman authors about what the Barbarians
thought about purity.
> Then I'll buy that you're pure "white", by your own
> definition. Even so, you have about 120 million Germans and Britons to
> chart - better get to work! Even Colin claimed that 80% of Britons are
> still white.
That's today. And it doesn't back up your argument in the slightest.
>
> You claim that Asians used men as cannon fodder, and that was why so many
> WWII casualties didn't occur on the W. Front; I replied that Germany
> fought on the E. Front, and lost a few million men there. Also, in the
> end, Germany was sending out untrained 14 year-olds and 60 year-olds to
> hold off the Allies and Russians, which is pretty much the definition of
> cannon fodder. Your perplexing response...
>
So we can forget about the mass suicidal runs of the Japanese at the
start/middle/end of the war?
> "Hoo boy! Eastern Front=MANCHURIA?"
>
> Uh, no, Les, most people know that the Eastern Front was where Germany
> fought the USSR. I'm sorry if I assumed too much, but if you're going to
> pontificate about history a) get your facts straight and b) make sure
> you're arguing someone who is already here. Anyway, my point still stands
> - millions of Germans, often poorly armed and not clothed for winter, died
> while fighting against the USSR. Also, teenagers and senior citizens were
> used in battles towards the end as cannon fodder, but I know you've
> already fought and lost that discussion so we won't dredge it up again.
I would have thought Germany was getting desperate by this time. Jewish
Stalin, Jewish Churchill and Jewish Roosevelt against him. If you are
running out of manpower and you know what the opposition is going to do
with you if you lose what would you do? Don't give me the crap about not
starting it in the first place. Try to answer the question instead.
>
> Yes, the early 1940's were technically wartime. But for most of 1940 and
> the first half of 1941, Germany wasn't on much of a war footing - it
> carried out few operation other than an air battle over Britain, some
> small battles in N. Africa, and the blitzkrieg subjugation of Yugoslavia
> and Greece. The German economy was not close to being as tightly
> mobilized as the British economy. In peace or in war, Germany is a food
> importer (Hitler admitted as much in the Hossbach memorandum) - beginning
> shortly after the capitulation, food flowed from the occupied nations into
> Germany, and rations even in France and the Netherlands were only one-half
> to two-thirds those in Germany, and even less for Jews in Occupied
> nations. Hitler's long-term plans guaranteed that Germany would be the
> wealthiest, most industrialzed nation in Europe, at the expense of
> everyone else. Beginning in 1940, Germany stripped occupied nations of
> much of their industry. Are you telling me they would have returned it
> after the war was over, when during the war they could have just as easily
> kept it in the occupied country and produced there? Only in a dream world
> would Britain be as important or well-off as it is today - not great, but
> still better than otherwise.
>
> "Anti-nazis are right at any price" is not exactly my credo, but you have
> to admit, it's hard to find something worse than a regime that devastated
> Europe and cost 35-40 million live, and lives on to inspire underachievers
> to torch grocery stores and wear studded leather. If there was an
> anti-Nazi who could have killed more people and disrupted Europe further
> (Stalin came close, but not really)
What do you mean not really? Stalin is probably the biggest butcherer of
all time. Even if the six million jews by Hitler is right (I don't but
that is another story), it is tiddly winks compared to Stalin.
Colin.
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Hybrid vigour and civilization
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> You still fail to provide any substantiation for your charge. You have
> merely repeated it, and embroidered it a bit. Not one word of your reply
> constitutes proof.
Inciting Racial Hatred which comes under UN law.
>
> I suppose you could have misunderstood the question. I doubt it; it is far
> more likely that you are trying desperately to avoid admitting that no
> such ban exists. You say the ban was enacted "about ten years ago": it
> follows that some specific act, by some specific body, instituted the ban.
Depends on the country, when it was banned. Hence "about ten years ago".
>
> Let me rephrase the questions, so as to avoid all possibility of
> misunderstanding, whether honest or deliberate:
>
> 1) Who, specifically, banned the study of 'natural anthropology'?
> ("Multicultural governments" is not a specific. "The government of
> Freedonia", for example, would be. Do you understand what 'specific' means
> in this context? An actual name of an actual person or group of persons,
> up to and including a national government or international body governing
> some aspect of scientific study, is specific. A vague, handwaving "they"
> is not.)
I'm pretty sure I said 'desiring to be'. The governments in general
slowly phased out such disciplines. Heavy tactics were not used. Natural
anthropology was phased into the more acceptable form physical
anthropology.
>
> 2) When and where was the ban enacted? (Specifics, again, are necessary.)
>
Depends on the country. Perhaps USA is exempt.
> 3) Where can documentation of the ban, specifying just what type of study
> is banned and what the penalties will follow upon violation of the ban, be
> found? Specific documents, dates, and page numbers must be given.
>
It goes against UN charter, human rights: Inciting Racial Hatred. Such and
such a number.
> There is a common tactic, used many times before here and elsewhere by
> others like McKinstry. It consists of saying, in effect: "I know this is
> true. You're just ignorant of the facts of the matter. Why should I do
> your homework for you? Go look it up yourself."
Sounds like a fair enough comment to me. So long as there is enough
information given to find the clues. Why should I slave my guts out over
the most common argument tactic in the book?
1. Here's the evidence book blah, pp blah, author blah and publisher blah.
2. He's garbage, I'll name call so he looks stupid, even though I've never
read the book.
1. Not good enough, here's another author blah ...
2. Your an idiot. Even a child could do better.
1. Howabout this author ...
2. Your a moron. That author couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag.
...
Of course the other tactic I've seen:
1. My claims, author ... (... being totally made up)
2. Oh, okay I believe you.
Both tactics I've seen in these newsgroups. Both of which I'll not be
party too.
> This is not a valid
> tactic: it conveniently overlooks the clear obligation of he who raises a
> point or makes a claim to establish the evidence for said claim. It is not
> the task of those who challenge a claim to back it up with evidence; it is
> the task of those who make the claim to do so.
>
Or so you say. If I can goad you into doing some work. Then you will
then know the folly of your previous stance (not necessarily you).
> > > > I've been tempted to reproduce
> > > > some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving
over the
> > > > evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition.
> > >
> > > A more likely explanation is that the evidence for McKinstry's alleged ban
> > > simply does not exist.
> > >
> > Gee, my ego has been damaged. Why didn't you just say chicken?
>
> If you insist. You are chicken: you fear that you cannot produce the
> evidence for said ban, because no such ban exists.
>
> > One day I might just reproduce some texts. Just be
> > prepared for a lot of reading. Though only once the heat dies down on the
> > propaganda against the Internet.
>
> Since you have not defined what "heat dies down" means, you have given
> yourself the perfect excuse to never post the evidence you claim to
> possess.
>
Trevor Rogers MP for Howick is having fun legislating the Internet. Such
letters would no doubt be fuel for his attack. Of course I've still yet
to convince a friend to hand the material over. It is up too his
benevolence whether he will let me reproduce such texts. He is a little
afraid of reprisals since he has a young family (or that was his excuse).
The other thing about "Inciting Racial Hatred" is it matters not whether
it be fact or fiction.
It would also seem that the USA has less problems with books (re:
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion). I'll try to compile a list of
books that come under the heading of natural anthropology. Such books are
'banned' in both Australia and New Zealand. To do so, is to Incite Racial
Hatred.
Though I doubt whether you'd read them (assuming you can get hold of them).
Colin.
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> : > As for the natural argument, many animal species have exhibited
> : > demonstrated homosexual behavior. (Rams, seagulls, bonobo apes)
>
> : Only in unnatural conditions (captivity, huge over-crowding and
> : over-population, huge difference in the male-female ratio)
>
> BZZZZZT!!
>
> Thank you for playing 'Nature for Netkooks', Les.
>
> Dolphins observed in the wild do exhibit homosexual and masturbatory
> behavior.
I take it they are American dolphins? How the hell do they masturbate?
Seems you don't have an imagination Mike.
Get this from the Mickey Mouse Encyclopedia to Wildlife?
Colin.
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Subject: Re: Les, Trotsky, and me
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> You know, folks, Les and Rick Knight came onto a newsgroup, alt.politics.
> socialism.trotsky, and started doing a little fun and fancy jew-baiting.
> When things got a bit hot for them, they disappeared. (BTW, a.p.s.t. is
> about the only place one can go to seriously debate left politics--
> whether you're a trot or not--and I'm not).
>
> Now I've come to visit--shit, I've moved my tent right onto their lawn!--
> and Les won't even talk to me any longer!
>
> As for Rick, our correspondence was short and sweet: I suggested on a.p.s.t.
> that we send him our thoughts on his "contributions" to the group, and he
> sent me a rather foul-mouthed letter claiming that I was trying to censor
> him, and threatening to get his legions of pals to flood my mailbox so
> I'd never read anything again.
>
> Hell, I'd probably reply to each one of them.
>
> And anyway, I'd censor no one. Not even Les. Not even Rick.
>
> My reason for this post? These people not only can't sustain a good
> argument, but they're pathetic and cowardly in the face of any serious
> criticism. I'm sure that it's clear to most readers that this is true
> (except the true believers), but I find it really sad. They claim to
> stand for something, then can't even elucidate what that is. When
> challenged, they descend to sliding one way or another, calling us
> censors and other less palatable names, and doing everything they can
> to avoid any kind of serious political dialogue.
>
> Are they the future of the white race? I think we "race traitors" have
> little to fear from the likes of these. I'm sure they're smart folks.
> I'm sure they, too, are searching for meaning in their lives. I just
> wish they'd take the time to read a bit more widely, and to ponder
> some of the things that they've been bubbling about.
>
> That's it.
>
> Signed:
>
> Your affectionate, queer-lovin', jew-lovin', black-lovin', leftist-liberal-
> Bilderberger-Rockefellerite (did I miss anyone?) friend,
>
> Chris
> --
Oh goody, I challange. Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
privately). Hope your not going to do a runner on me. Of course Mike
Beebe runs away and hides from me as well (only says one thing then hides
beneath his rock), Sub Genius doesn't reply back to me no more. It's been
kind of boring in the last two days.
One thing you forgot: Colin-hatin'. I consider it my moral duty to make
you hate me. Life long enemies is our destiny.
Signed:
Your melovolent, sodomy-hatin', jew-hatin', black-hatin', Chris
Faatz-hatin', leftist-liberal-Bilderberger-Rockellerite (did I miss
anyone?) enemy.
Colin. Looking forward to some challenges. So far Steve Garza is the
most promising (hopefully he can afford that $10 a month rental).
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Another liberal tactic, revealed!
Date: 15 Jun 1995 08:36:13 GMT
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> >Hey, gang! Here's another liberal slur that is always hurled against us
> >by the champions of flogging dead horses: dropping threads!
>
> >Yes, the liberal turds accuse us of dropping threads when we're "losing"
> >arguments. Never occurs to those brainiacs that White Supremacists don't
> >see a pressing need to beat an argument to death, thereby (hopefully)
> >impressing the "lurkers". More than likely, the "lurkers" are put off by
> >the liberal tendancy to keep hammering away at a dead topic!
>
> >Les
Hey Les, I like beating an argument to death but they (the liberals) won't
reply (sob). My body odour isn't too high is it?
>
>
> Isn't he great, kids? Let's give him a hand!
> Funny, you don't have to be here long to realize that Les, after a few
> days or maybe a couple of weeks, gets reduced to saying awfully clever
> retorts like "Yeah, well, it's none of your business!" A day or two later,
> a new thread arrives; inflamatory, hypocritical, and really fucking funny.
>
> Stacia An expert in stucco, a veteran of love, and an outlaw in Peru.
We aim to please.
Stacia could you please help Asharte with his definition of love? He is
having grave difficulties (I hope I haven't assigned him (her?) a task too
burdensome). Since you are the veteran of love.
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 16:40:38 PDT 1995
Article: 5768 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:51:28 +0100
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> >No I do not believe in democracy. It comes from the greek diamontes. Di
> >means split or schism. Montes means government. I do not believe in Split
> >or schismed government. The word demon has the same root. Demonocracy.
>
> >Colin.
>
>
> Is this the "flame troll" I have been hearing so much about? This is the
> greatest crap I have ever seen, and I have seen quite a lot of it! Is
> this perhaps how a "true aryan" reasons? some sort of "aryan reasoning"?
>
> Apart from the fact that it doesn't mean anything where the word is
> derived from (we can't make moral judgements on the basis of etymology,
> can we?) this is just so patently false that it is surprising that he
> oculd even have the nerve to imagine it:
>
All the words of today are based on etymology. I was given a little
historical account of the word democracy. It's etymology is still
consistent with today's meaning. I assumed it was possible for the
average person to make the connection. You however are proof that I
cannot make such assumptions. In the future I will bear in mind people
like you and write to the lowest common denominator. Satisfied?
Oh, people make all sorts of grounds to base their morals on. I wouldn't
be surprised if there were some that based it on etymology. For instance
etymology is consistent.
> (the following examples will have "H" as the letter "eta" and "W" as the
> letter "omega"
>
> 1) DHMOS means in Homer (the oldest author of greek) district or country.
> In later writers (e.g. Plato) it means the people of a country, or the
> common people.
>
> 2) KRATEW is a verb that means "to be strong" (derived from the noun
> KRATOS "strenght"), and, in a derived sense, means "to rule".
>
> 3) DHMOKRATIA means literally "rule of the common people"
>
> 4) there is no word in greek like "diamontes" nor montes, now matter how
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> you try to spell it. I wouldn't bet my life on that such a word (MWS,
> MOS, MONS, MONTES, MONTHS, MWNS, MWNTES or MWNTHS) is to be found at one
> obscure place in a little known work by an unknown writer, but it is not
> to be found (no trace of it) in the Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon by
> Liddell and Scott.
Was there last time I looked in the greek texts. Possibly bad
transliteration accepted. Try cross referencing the word schism or demon
in the King James to the greek. Montes which I suppose could be spelt
montus or similar is where we also get mountain from as well as mind.
>
> and lastly,
>
> 5) I hereby pledge a million dollars to the guy who can convince more
> than 3 Oxford classical scholars that DAIMWN "divinity" and DHMOS are
> cognate, derived from each other or related in any significant way (that
> is, within the span of hellenistic philology).
>
>
Got me lost on this one. When did the discussion go from democracy to
DAIMWN and DHMOS. Or are you delibrately trying to change the topic?
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 16:52:59 PDT 1995
Article: 5098 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Les, Trotsky, and me
Date: 15 Jun 1995 08:30:01 GMT
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> You know, folks, Les and Rick Knight came onto a newsgroup, alt.politics.
> socialism.trotsky, and started doing a little fun and fancy jew-baiting.
> When things got a bit hot for them, they disappeared. (BTW, a.p.s.t. is
> about the only place one can go to seriously debate left politics--
> whether you're a trot or not--and I'm not).
>
> Now I've come to visit--shit, I've moved my tent right onto their lawn!--
> and Les won't even talk to me any longer!
>
> As for Rick, our correspondence was short and sweet: I suggested on a.p.s.t.
> that we send him our thoughts on his "contributions" to the group, and he
> sent me a rather foul-mouthed letter claiming that I was trying to censor
> him, and threatening to get his legions of pals to flood my mailbox so
> I'd never read anything again.
>
> Hell, I'd probably reply to each one of them.
>
> And anyway, I'd censor no one. Not even Les. Not even Rick.
>
> My reason for this post? These people not only can't sustain a good
> argument, but they're pathetic and cowardly in the face of any serious
> criticism. I'm sure that it's clear to most readers that this is true
> (except the true believers), but I find it really sad. They claim to
> stand for something, then can't even elucidate what that is. When
> challenged, they descend to sliding one way or another, calling us
> censors and other less palatable names, and doing everything they can
> to avoid any kind of serious political dialogue.
>
> Are they the future of the white race? I think we "race traitors" have
> little to fear from the likes of these. I'm sure they're smart folks.
> I'm sure they, too, are searching for meaning in their lives. I just
> wish they'd take the time to read a bit more widely, and to ponder
> some of the things that they've been bubbling about.
>
> That's it.
>
> Signed:
>
> Your affectionate, queer-lovin', jew-lovin', black-lovin', leftist-liberal-
> Bilderberger-Rockefellerite (did I miss anyone?) friend,
>
> Chris
> --
Oh goody, I challange. Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
privately). Hope your not going to do a runner on me. Of course Mike
Beebe runs away and hides from me as well (only says one thing then hides
beneath his rock), Sub Genius doesn't reply back to me no more. It's been
kind of boring in the last two days.
One thing you forgot: Colin-hatin'. I consider it my moral duty to make
you hate me. Life long enemies is our destiny.
Signed:
Your melovolent, sodomy-hatin', jew-hatin', black-hatin', Chris
Faatz-hatin', leftist-liberal-Bilderberger-Rockellerite (did I miss
anyone?) enemy.
Colin. Looking forward to some challenges. So far Steve Garza is the
most promising (hopefully he can afford that $10 a month rental).
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 16:53:04 PDT 1995
Article: 5122 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Another liberal tactic, revealed!
Date: 15 Jun 1995 08:36:13 GMT
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> >Hey, gang! Here's another liberal slur that is always hurled against us
> >by the champions of flogging dead horses: dropping threads!
>
> >Yes, the liberal turds accuse us of dropping threads when we're "losing"
> >arguments. Never occurs to those brainiacs that White Supremacists don't
> >see a pressing need to beat an argument to death, thereby (hopefully)
> >impressing the "lurkers". More than likely, the "lurkers" are put off by
> >the liberal tendancy to keep hammering away at a dead topic!
>
> >Les
Hey Les, I like beating an argument to death but they (the liberals) won't
reply (sob). My body odour isn't too high is it?
>
>
> Isn't he great, kids? Let's give him a hand!
> Funny, you don't have to be here long to realize that Les, after a few
> days or maybe a couple of weeks, gets reduced to saying awfully clever
> retorts like "Yeah, well, it's none of your business!" A day or two later,
> a new thread arrives; inflamatory, hypocritical, and really fucking funny.
>
> Stacia An expert in stucco, a veteran of love, and an outlaw in Peru.
We aim to please.
Stacia could you please help Asharte with his definition of love? He is
having grave difficulties (I hope I haven't assigned him (her?) a task too
burdensome). Since you are the veteran of love.
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 16:53:07 PDT 1995
Article: 5125 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: let's help steve out!
Date: 15 Jun 1995 07:55:39 GMT
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> folks:
> steve garza has gotten a two week extension on his account from his
> university, where i guess he just graduated from if he passed his
> exams--he hasn't said, but i'm hoping steve passed.
> anyway, steve's account is going to be yanked in two weeks, and since
> he can't afford the ten bucks a month for an account, i'm proposing
> that we all chip in pay for steve an account until he can get on his
> feet and pay his own freight.
> even if he is a lib, i believe us wp people should chip in because
> steve is about the only interesting lib--other than sub--that we've
> got on this ng. there is variety in steve's posts--he writes about
> his personal experiences and doesn't just continually spout the
> liberal drivel.
> we like steve, and he must like us and trust us considering he comes
> to us for advice about his personal problems.
> let's get up a fund and pay for an account for steve.
>
While I like Steve as well (he is far far better than the rest he sides with).
My Scottish ancestry won't give away money. Especially considering he has
access to four supercomputers, he has graduated etc etc.
Colin.
From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 17:53:55 PDT 1995
Article: 22276 of alt.revisionism
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