WHY DO I READ THE COMMENTS ON ARTICLES LIKE THAT? I KNOW BETTER, UGH!!!!

To summarize:
-Unions are greedy and full of rich evil people who want to fuck you over
-Blame Obama you can't have twinkies anymore
-these bakers are greedy, they should have pretty much agreed to work for free and been thankful for it
-that'll teach those greedy unions a lesson!

Poor management will always blame the union. And of course private equity is involved, no surprises there... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/16/1162235/-Private-equity-owned-Hostess-blames-striking-workers-as-it-liquidates?showAll=yes

@parallel-lines I think there may be fallout like this in the next year or two from companies who were creating their executive profits by treating their employees like shit, and the executives sure as shit aren't going to take a paycut, knowhaymsayin?

It's like Jon Stewart said: "Let's face the facts... Pizza and coal companies are just unlucky enough to have a labor force that can't be outsourced. Obamacare [unions, anyone calling bullshit] is just the latest excuse to wriggle out of the social contract."

@parallel-lines
i think and hope that there is enough transparency in society now that people will see these business' actions for what they truly are, not what they're claiming. Articles like this help shine a light on the "real dirt". Changes need to happen for workers to have fair wages and benefits, and if companies aren't going to provide them then other companies who will provide it will fill in the void these shitheads leave behind. Let's hope we don't have to break too many eggs to make this omelet :-/

@teenie And also why construction labor can demand decent wages, until undocumented workers are exploited, too. And why smart unions should encourage undocumented laborers to join. Also Cesar Chavez, where are you. (Dead, I know, but I miss him.)

Every vote that didn't put Mitt "Job Creator" Romney in office is an encouraging sign, to be sure, but until fair labor practices are seen as an 100% necessary cost of doing business (rather than high returns to shareholders and/or astronomical CEO salaries) we're all fucked.

@PistolPackinMama My grandma has this giant (like 4' by 3') Cesar Chavez poster (it's him holding a bowl of grapes, with 'boycott grapes' in big letters), and it's pretty much the only thing I really hope to inherit.

@parallel-lines Business owners, by and large, will always scapegoat the workers and blame the unions when it's really their own greed that causes their companies to go under. They either file for bankruptcy or sell their business and go home happy while their employees are jobless, with few prospects and walk away with nothing. Then they skew the presentation to the public and act like it's the workers who are to blame. This has been going on for almost two centuries now in industry, it's grotesque.

@teenie Yeah but, I feel like the people who scream, "BLAME THE UNIONS/OBAMA/ETC" really quite like being hateful, ignorant bastards. They can have "facts" (WHATEVER THAT MEANS) pinned to their faces and they'll keep being angry morons.

@katiemcgillicuddy Okay, Jesus Christ, my union-hating friend just came on Twitter and was like "Good job, unions, you just screwed yourself out of Twinkies". I was ABOUT to reply with "Bullshit" but I just said "I can't even argue about this with you."

@katiemcgillicuddy What's so crazy is that she's a staunch Democrat, sane on so many other topics, but she just. hates. unions. And hey, I'm not saying union representation is universally without problems by any stretch, but to dismiss the entire concept out of hand as "greedy" just makes me itch. And that's before we get into employee healthcare, which as I said below is my InstaRage topic.

@PistolPackinMama Sweet soothing logic. Mama, would you just pat me on the head for a while and read me speeches by Rust Belt Democrats?

@teenie True story: I had never heard of TastyKakes, but when I went to the store today to stock up on Hostess Cupcakes, I saw Tasty Kakes right next to them. I didn't buy them, because I was a woman on a mission, but it seems they are already encroaching on the snack cakes market...

@Ashley Lange@facebook That is going to be my second breakfast today! I have a weakness for all things orange-scented and orange-flavored and those are one of the few sweet orange things out there! ~*PANIC*~

@jane lane My boss (a staunch Republican Obama-hater) feels the same way. He says he's going to drop our health insurance coverage when Obamacare kicks in. I'm hoping he'll adjust our pay to make up for the amount he contributes to our insurance now, but we haven't had raises in five years as it is so that doesn't seem likely.

@fondue with cheddar The words "convenient excuse" come to mind re: dropping coverage. Also way to make sure no one ever wants Obamacare to go away, on account of how it's the way people will get their health insurance.

@PistolPackinMama Exactly. I don't think he actually has a problem with Obamacare. I mean...it's going to save him money, so that's good for him. But he doesn't like Obama in general. He doesn't talk politics much as he's in the minority here (the rest of us are Democratic-leaning and most of us really like Obama). He's not usually a juicebox, just when it comes to politics. Oh, and he's slightly racist but in an old-person type way not in a hateful type way. Not that that's okay but it's not as bad. I don't think race has anything to do with his feelings about Obama.

Those chocolate cupcakes have been a favorite treat of mine since I was a wee one. I hope they continue to make them, but with a fairly compensated labor force this time. (I'm thinking about not buying from Papa John's anymore either; bitching about providing minimal healthcare flips all the switches that turn me into a frothing rage machine.)

@JessicaLovejoy I'm just sayin', I took one for the team. I don't know what the rest of you slackers have been up to. (Or, alternate interpretation of events: I overslept and those are the best breakfast option in my office vending machine)

@Blushingflwr Oh shit. I was totally okay with this news, even though some of the striking and therefore job loss is just a couple of miles from me, but then you reminded me about the powdered donuts, and now I want to cry.

That said, my mom was a crunchy hippie who wouldn't let us eat them as kids. When I was about 10, I was at a friend's house, and they had TWINKIES! I was so excited, took a giant bite, and ohmygod they are the grossest disappointment in the world.

Apparently Canada will still have them (CBC told me so this morning! Because Hostess brands licensed these things to another company to manufacture in Canada!) I will trade Americans Twinkies, Ho Hos and other treats in exchange for your ridiculously wide variety of Girl Guide cookies. And I mean literally - let's mail them cross border!!

I've never had a twinkie, or any other Hostess food (I have natural-food obsessed parents), and now I'm totally torn. Should I get one and eat it, just because I never will otherwise? Or are they really so gross I shouldn't bother?

@MilesofMountains Me neither (UK-based, although I bet if I lived in the US my parents would have refused to buy them anyway) and am wondering the same thing. American media always made Twinkies sound so appealing.

@anachronistique @fondue with cheddar YES, Entenmann's is memory food! When we went up to my Baba's house in New York, my parents would allow us to buy Entenmann's donuts, as a treat. I would nom the hell out of the crumb-topped ones, and sometimes the chocolate-covered yellow cake ones. And whenever there is a big family breakfast gathering we buy Entenmann's crumb cake and sit around and drink coffee and chat. ::nostalgic sighs::

@anachronistique @area@twitter great memories! My grandpa would always have a second piece and claim he was just trying to "even it off". :) And I loved scooping up all the crumbs that fell between the edge of the tin and the box. We ate ours Entenmann's on these:

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