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Re: More talent: Reds or Cardinals?

In 2012 Reds RF had OPS of .824 Cardinals RF had OPS of .837.

Have to imagine when it all ends up this season they will be in about the same range. Bruce slow start but will end up about there I am sure. Beltran had hot start last season but cooled off a bit. Better off looking at overall production from RF due to Beltran missing so much time.

Re: More talent: Reds or Cardinals?

I think it's safe to say the Cardinals are overachieving right now and the Reds are underachieving.

Beltran will break down and so will the Cards. Their pitching will come back to Earth too.

The cards pitching will come back down to earth. The problem is there are only two cardinals starters that have an "earth." Waino and Westbrook. Waino is an ace when he is down to earth and Westbrook is a high 3's low 4's ERA guy. Lynn, Garcia, and certainly Miller don't have an earth. In Lynn's rookie season he was fantastic out of the bullpen, and in his first season as a starter he was an All-Star. He didn't finish the year as strong as he hoped but that has been attributed to fatigue caused by his David Wells physique. Now that he is in shape, and starting to really get into sync with his new body his "earth" has yet to really be established. After an impressive rookie campaign Garcia was somewhat of a disappointment in '11 and certainly in '12, but Wainwright and Carpenter have said since Garcia came along that he has the most movement of anyone on the staff. Garcia's issues are almost 100% between the ears. If he figured that out he could be a sub-3 ERA pitcher again like he was in 2010. And with Miller, the guy has been projected to be a top of the rotation guy, possibly and ace his whole minor league career. Will he finish with 1.50 ERA? No, probably not, but i don't think anyone can know how much or how little regression he will face over the next 4 months.

Re: More talent: Reds or Cardinals?

Originally Posted by RadfordVA

In 2012 Reds RF had OPS of .824 Cardinals RF had OPS of .837.

Have to imagine when it all ends up this season they will be in about the same range. Bruce slow start but will end up about there I am sure. Beltran had hot start last season but cooled off a bit. Better off looking at overall production from RF due to Beltran missing so much time.

Re: More talent: Reds or Cardinals?

Originally Posted by Salukifan2

I mean I use probably only because I can't see the future.

Ok, that's cool. But if you want to position that as a rational statement, I'd simply ask you what you think the odds are of Miller staying in the rotation all year and posting an ERA under 1.50 are. You won't hear another peep from me on the matter unless you directly ask.

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