At 12/27/2015 9:12:52 PM, janesix wrote:Does it feel like anger? Does it have its own feeling?

Let's gauge the hate . So your at your mums, three large man kick the door in. They tie you up. And make you watch while they gang r a p e your mum and beat her. On the way out they kick your cat . And they takeoff with your brand new B M X.. bike. The hated you would feel if this happened I'd hunt em down , vengeance. I mean, that BMX was like not even a month old , it had like them unreal rims on it , and real expensive cranks . I'd call the cops they will help you get back the BMX back. Your mum starts crying . You think to yourself, it's not as if she just had her bike stolen. I mean you will probably more then likely never see it again. And you have to live with that.

Seems many tell you what circumstances they need or what justifications that hate requires, but you asked what it feels like.

I have no other avenue of experience other than my self.

When I hated someone, it started off as anger, I feel the cloud 'descend' on my brain, where all i see and hear were the things that made me mad - "You look so stupid like that, omg you should listen to what you are saying.... ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDDING ME>?!?!", basically, thoughts that just grow and grow to rage.

At that point i started to honestly hate the person (I will not give you context as to what the situation is, as it is private). Whenever I see this person, whenever i think of this person, whenever the person's smell comes near me - My body immediately strains - I feel a pressure building in my arms and legs, I feel the need - to need to find them, just so I can grate and vent my anger towards them.

Whenever this person is in my mind, I feel a lot of heat, Like my body sort of goes up 10 degrees. I find it hard to concentrate on tasks and subjects, and a lot of my prepared speeches go out the window to be replaced by vulgar profanities.

In short - Craziness increases a thousand foldAll other senses take a 'back seat' - I remember feeling other things/emotions afterwards, however at the time, it is dismissed and made irrelevant.

I disagree. Emotion is for psychology forums, and hatred is not an emotion. As I just posted in another forum a moment ago, there are four main emotions:1. Happiness2. Sadness3. Anger/disgust4. Surprise/fear

Hatred is not an emotion, it is an idea. Pride is not an emotion, nor is envy, gluttony, or any of the "seven deadly sins." Hatred, or wrath, is not the same as anger. For example, let's say I hate black people. I am not actively, emotionally angry at black people, even though my hatred can create that anger readily. My hatred for them would be an idea based on pride, which itself is based on bias. Humans are intelligent, which is also called sentient, which is also called self-aware. Any self-aware being is also biased towards the self inherently, and this bias takes the form of pride, which in turn derives the seven deadly sins - of which hatred is included. There is no psychological basis for the 7 Sins, these ideas would be present in any self-aware being no matter what its genetic/biological composition.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

I disagree. Emotion is for psychology forums, and hatred is not an emotion. As I just posted in another forum a moment ago, there are four main emotions:1. Happiness2. Sadness3. Anger/disgust4. Surprise/fear

Hatred is not an emotion, it is an idea. Pride is not an emotion, nor is envy, gluttony, or any of the "seven deadly sins." Hatred, or wrath, is not the same as anger. For example, let's say I hate black people. I am not actively, emotionally angry at black people, even though my hatred can create that anger readily. My hatred for them would be an idea based on pride, which itself is based on bias. Humans are intelligent, which is also called sentient, which is also called self-aware. Any self-aware being is also biased towards the self inherently, and this bias takes the form of pride, which in turn derives the seven deadly sins - of which hatred is included. There is no psychological basis for the 7 Sins, these ideas would be present in any self-aware being no matter what its genetic/biological composition.

Do you always make up your own definitions in order to act as if you have a point? These are from dictionary.com, though they might not actually realize they're in the business of defining things,

emotion[ih-moh-shuh n]noun1.an affective state of consciousness in which joy, sorrow, fear, hate, or the like, is experienced, as distinguished from cognitive and volitional states of consciousness.2.any of the feelings of joy, sorrow, fear, hate, love, etc.

pride[prahyd]Spell Syllablesnoun1.a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.2.the state or feeling of being proud.

Wow, look at that. Pride is a feeling, hate is a feeling, and emotion is a (strong) feeling. Is that what intensely means? Oh wait, I'm asking the wrong person. You sure you know what 7 deadly sins actually means? And I'm not asking if you think anything is a sin, I'm simply asking if you understand what the words mean. That's a joke btw.

Do you always make up your own definitions in order to act as if you have a point?

I am engaged in the search for truth. In its most advanced stages, the truth requires you to re-define concepts which are colloquially ill-defined.

These are from dictionary.com, though they might not actually realize they're in the business of defining things,

Not sure if that's tongue-in-cheek or something, but dictionary.com is not the be-all, end-all of the universe. Plato didn't spend hundreds of pages trying to define "justice" in the Republic just to be outdone by a couple sentences in a common dictionary. If we could simply use a dictionary to figure out every philosophical concept and be done with it, there would probably be nothing left for philosophers to discuss.

emotion[ih-moh-shuh n]noun1.an affective state of consciousness in which joy, sorrow, fear, hate, or the like, is experienced, as distinguished from cognitive and volitional states of consciousness.2.any of the feelings of joy, sorrow, fear, hate, love, etc.

pride[prahyd]Spell Syllablesnoun1.a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.2.the state or feeling of being proud.

Wow, look at that. Pride is a feeling, hate is a feeling, and emotion is a (strong) feeling. Is that what intensely means? Oh wait, I'm asking the wrong person. You sure you know what 7 deadly sins actually means? And I'm not asking if you think anything is a sin, I'm simply asking if you understand what the words mean. That's a joke btw.

Is it really a stretch to purport that the authors of these definitions are1) designing them for colloquial use, not technical and2) not experts in the fields of philosophy or psychology?

Furthermore, terms tend to fluctuate. Vocabulary is a marvelous thing. It changes over time, it changes from person to person, it grows healthier and it suffers and mutates. The word "emotion," for example, is the offspring of the term "passion." "Ambition" is rooted in political canvassing and was originally meant to describe ruthless tyrants who would step on underlings and smite the weak to succeed. Now, to call somebody ambitious is perhaps the greatest compliment you can give. Pride is similar to ambition, in that it started out as the paragon of negativity, and somehow mutated into a positive term.

I challenge you to research "emotion" instead of relying on dictionary.com. Psychologists have different frameworks they use to capture the term, and the one I prefer is the simplest - that we have four basic emotions, and all other emotion is a derivative of them. Formerly, we split disgust from anger and surprise from fear to make six. Other psychologists use much more elaborate models, showing many more emotions and going from there. I think you will notice quickly that the seven sins are not part of these models, that is, the experts who are doing the research and creating these models do not list things like envy, pride, and hatred as part of psychological emotional theory. Perhaps there will be some model out there which clumsily lists hatred as an intense version of anger, which I would disagree with, but nonetheless you will see what I'm saying is true.

Beliefs in a nutshell:
- The Ends never justify the Means.
- Objectivity is secondary to subjectivity.
- The War on Drugs is the worst policy in the U.S.
- Most people worship technology as a religion.
- Computers will never become sentient.

Do you always make up your own definitions in order to act as if you have a point?

I am engaged in the search for truth. In its most advanced stages, the truth requires you to re-define concepts which are colloquially ill-defined.

So that's a yes you make up your own defintions

These are from dictionary.com, though they might not actually realize they're in the business of defining things,

Not sure if that's tongue-in-cheek or something, but dictionary.com is not the be-all, end-all of the universe. Plato didn't spend hundreds of pages trying to define "justice" in the Republic just to be outdone by a couple sentences in a common dictionary. If we could simply use a dictionary to figure out every philosophical concept and be done with it, there would probably be nothing left for philosophers to discuss.

Were you planning on mentioning an actual emotion?

emotion[ih-moh-shuh n]noun1.an affective state of consciousness in which joy, sorrow, fear, hate, or the like, is experienced, as distinguished from cognitive and volitional states of consciousness.2.any of the feelings of joy, sorrow, fear, hate, love, etc.

pride[prahyd]Spell Syllablesnoun1.a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.2.the state or feeling of being proud.

Wow, look at that. Pride is a feeling, hate is a feeling, and emotion is a (strong) feeling. Is that what intensely means? Oh wait, I'm asking the wrong person. You sure you know what 7 deadly sins actually means? And I'm not asking if you think anything is a sin, I'm simply asking if you understand what the words mean. That's a joke btw.

Is it really a stretch to purport that the authors of these definitions are1) designing them for colloquial use, not technical and2) not experts in the fields of philosophy or psychology?

Furthermore, terms tend to fluctuate. Vocabulary is a marvelous thing. It changes over time, it changes from person to person, it grows healthier and it suffers and mutates. The word "emotion," for example, is the offspring of the term "passion." "Ambition" is rooted in political canvassing and was originally meant to describe ruthless tyrants who would step on underlings and smite the weak to succeed. Now, to call somebody ambitious is perhaps the greatest compliment you can give. Pride is similar to ambition, in that it started out as the paragon of negativity, and somehow mutated into a positive term.

I challenge you to research "emotion" instead of relying on dictionary.com. Psychologists have different frameworks they use to capture the term, and the one I prefer is the simplest - that we have four basic emotions, and all other emotion is a derivative of them. Formerly, we split disgust from anger and surprise from fear to make six. Other psychologists use much more elaborate models, showing many more emotions and going from there. I think you will notice quickly that the seven sins are not part of these models, that is, the experts who are doing the research and creating these models do not list things like envy, pride, and hatred as part of psychological emotional theory. Perhaps there will be some model out there which clumsily lists hatred as an intense version of anger, which I would disagree with, but nonetheless you will see what I'm saying is true.

You're rather entertaining. No one with a half a brain would even consider hatred being equated as equivalent with anger. Though one can become angry using hatred as a stepping stone or coinciding with it of course. Pop psychology is a rather strange reference. And what's the 7 sins got you all wound up for? And I'm not this stupid. Pride is an emotion Mr. Spock.Webster's....pridenounSimple Definition of pridea feeling that you respect yourself and deserve to be respected by other peoplea feeling that you are more important or better than other peoplea feeling of happiness that you get when you or someone you know does something good, difficult, etc.Oxford dictionary...prideSee definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's DictionarySyllabification: pridePronunciation: /prid /Definition of pride in English:noun1)A feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one"s own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired

More of that pesky little "feeling" word. But hey, whatever melts your butter or ultimate search for the "truth", you know as far as wrongly defining words go. Do you accept the definition of truth via the dictionary or do you have your own idea? And I'm not implying some people aren't aware of something being true that others aren't. Just you know, the actual definition.