Any pro boxer trained in MMA would wipe the mat with the full contact guys of today. If you have ever been around pro football, baseball or basketball, then you have an idea how good these guys really are, they are mutants.

I think the guy is an ass, but he is dead on right. When the money comes then you will see the truly elite fighters.

pro boxer? what about all these pro jujitsu guys?its makes me cringe to hear things like that, hes a boxer not a mixed martial arts fighter. Put him in he ring with a Muay Thai boxer and he would get taken apart. Now add ground game to the spectrum and you have to take all those hours out of his hands just to start to make up for what hes lacking.

Think it is best to say that Mayweather, as he has demonstrated, has a great deal of insecurities. IMHO, its best to say, as others have done, that an MMAist or boxer would have advantages in a sporting contest based on the rules they fought under and their own ability. There is not much point in turning this into a style vs. style thread.

The fact is pro athletes are on a completely different level. You may cringe when you here that but I question if you have ever been around the people who make it to the pros, you would understand the point.

That is not to say they would beat a pro juitsu guy without training, of course not.

But if you have the abiltiy to make it in pro boxing, why would you even consider fighting MMA? You wouldn't.

Just watch any clip of Mayweather and then watch any clip of any MMA match, the difference in ability jumps off the screen.

Kimo, I am afraid I am not understanding your point. Style specialists will be better at that particular style than a generic MMAist. But the overall skillset afforded by that MMA training will give the overall advantage to the more well-rounded fighter. So Floyd is simply picking nits to say that Chuck Liddell is not as good a boxer as he (Floyd) is. Chuck is not a boxer. Chuck could also say that Floyd is not as good a wrestler as he (Chuck) is. Floyd is not a wrestler.

It is insulting and untrue to say that (especially the top tier) MMA people have no skill.

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My point is not about style. The reason I spoke up is as much as I am a fan of MA, and the people who are out there like the Chuck Liddell’s, I get very concerned when people start comparing them to other Pro Athletes, as someone else said MMA is generations behind boxing.

Liddell would most likely beat an untrained Mayweather in the octagon, but what does that prove? Chuck Liddell deserves respect his is among the best in the world at what he does, but if you look at him as an athlete, he is at best college caliber and that is a long way from Pro caliber athlete and no where near Floyd Mayweather (even if Floyd is a raging a******)

So Mayweather did not need to shoot of his mouth, but we as MA’s need to be realistic about the caliber of athletes in our sport, and I am sorry but I know of no one fighting today that is an elite athlete.

On another note, I doubt MMA will get much better, reason is that as the athletes improve the injuries will escalate causing 2 things to happen, more rules, and less people willing to risk injury. Boxing will always out earn MMA fights for that reason.

Oscar and Floyd are to make between $10,000,000 and $25,000,000 each for this fight ... yes, generations ahead of MMA, no question. But you cannot base a pro based on money, that would be ridiculous. Baseball players make good money and they are pros but would not do well in MMA or boxing and neither would boxers or MMA guys do well in baseball. Then look at pro football players, tennis players, hockey players, etc. They are all pros in their specific sport and they are trained to the caliber that is required of them. If a MMA guy was going to turn to a pro boxer then you can guaran-god-dam-tee that they would train to that caliber. If a boxer wanted to do MMA he would have to do the same. They are two different sports and cannot be compared to each other so why does Mayweather even get off spouting crap like he is? The elite fighters in MMA are pros, no question. In every professional sport there are those that stand out more and perform better such as Evander Holleyfield, Jerome Bettis, Wayne Gretzky, Andre Agassi, Hank Aaron, etc. And there will always be those that don't, but that doesn't make them less of a pro, just not as elite.

Mayweather perhpas is in the elite level of boxing right now but to spout crap like this does nothing for him. In a MMA ring even with training he would be destroyed by somebody like Chuck Liddell. Are people that daft that they think grappling is so dam easy? That defending from a Muay Thai clinch and knees is no problem? How about defending from ground 'n pound or elbows being dropped? What because you can last 10-12 rounds in a boxing ring and you are a good boxer that you think fighting in the cage would be simple? Many guys have great hands and find out that isn't enough. Many guys are great on the ground and find that isn't enough. Many people are very well rounded and sometimes that isn't enough. Mayweather should only talk about stuff he knows and MMA is not one of them.

I hope he makes his millions and still gets his ass kicked by Oscar. Go get him Oscar, at least I know he has respect for MMA fighters.

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Quote:My point is not about style. The reason I spoke up is as much as I am a fan of MA, and the people who are out there like the Chuck Liddell’s, I get very concerned when people start comparing them to other Pro Athletes, as someone else said MMA is generations behind boxing.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop right there. 'Generations behind' in prize money - not skill. These guys are not boxers, so you cannot compare them to boxers. Boxers are specialists in a narrow feild of combat sports.

Quote:Liddell would most likely beat an untrained Mayweather in the octagon, but what does that prove?

That Chuck has more overall skill - the exact point I was trying to make.

Quote:Chuck Liddell deserves respect his is among the best in the world at what he does, but if you look at him as an athlete, he is at best college caliber and that is a long way from Pro caliber athlete and no where near Floyd Mayweather (even if Floyd is a raging a******)

Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. Again, TOTAL skill level is what I am looking at. Not one specific focus.

Quote:So Mayweather did not need to shoot of his mouth, but we as MA’s need to be realistic about the caliber of athletes in our sport, and I am sorry but I know of no one fighting today that is an elite athlete.

Now you are really being ridiculous. Randy Couture, Genki Sudo, Fedor, etc...are not elite athletes? Come on man.

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'On an interesting side note Floyd Mayweather Jr. cleared up some questions about his rumored life after boxing. In the past weeks boxing's widely regarded pound for pound champion had made derogatory comments about mixed martial arts and its fighters, prompting UFC President Dana White to reportedly offer Floyd Mayweather Jr. a fight against current UFC Lightweight Champion Sean Sherk to prove if Mayweather's suspicions of mixed martial arts fighters were true.

Mayweather Jr. swallowed his pride and sincerely stated to Fightnews that he has no plans of competing in any organization of mixed martial arts,

"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that. I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White (UFC owners), . I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts." '