(Another) poll on what Finns think of future immigrants

When will these end and when will these what-Finns-think-of-immigrants polls stop? Name one country where a native believes there are too few immigrants and therefore more foreigners should move to their country? Why are these types of polls important and what do they reveal?

The YLE poll asks a similar question if it polled white members of a community in the United States and asked them if they want minorities to move to their neighborhood.

The recent poll commissioned by YLE and done by Taloustutkimus shows that the majority of Finns (surprise! surprise!) don’t want to encourage more immigrants to Finland.

Nearly two thirds of Finns say Finland should not encourage more foreigners to move here, according to a YLE survey. Supporters of the right-wing True Finns Party were the most opposed to more immigrants. However, Centre Party and Social Democratic supporters were not far behind.

According to the survey, 63 percent of respondents said Finland should not try to entice foreigners to live here. A whopping 82 percent of True Finns backers were of the same opinion. For Centre Party supporters the number was 70 percent, while 68 percent of Social Democratic backers felt the same way.

Supporters of the Green League were the most receptive to more immigrants. A total of 65 percent of Green respondents said that Finland should work to attract foreigners here.

Meanwhile, 45 percent of backers of the conservative National Coalition Party said they supported more immigration while 53 percent were opposed.

One third of respondents said that immigration would play a significant or very significant role in their voting decisions in the next elections.

A total of 2,399 people responded to the survey carried out by pollster Taloustutkimus.

The poll shows that the majority (63%) are against luring more immigrants to Finland. Source: YLE

The poll shows that the most critical party towards luring future immigrants to Finland was none other than the True Finns (PS), followed by the Center and Social Democratic Party. Source: YLE

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I wonder whether the results would be the same if the elements of that question were analysed out and stated plainly.

For example economic growth is the single most important factor underlying migration for employment, so can we assume that the respondents are opposed to economic growth in Finland? The specific public policies that encourage international businesses like Nokia to remain in Finland and others like Google to establish themselves in Finland are also significant underlying factors determining the workplace locations of non-Finnish employees of those businesses. Should these policies be changed to discourage such foreign investment, thereby keeping these foreigners out?

“In both affluent countries in the West and in the developing world, people are concerned about immigration. Large majorities in nearly every country surveyed express the view that there should be greater restriction of immigration and tighter control of their country’s borders.”

Hi Tiedonantaja, and welcome to Migrant Tales. True, it appears that few countries believe that they want more immigrants. However, we live in a globalized world and there are immigrants living in countries. That is a reality and there is no way to escape this fact. Immigration is as normal as people travelling from countries to countries. For some reason, some have a difficult time accepting this fact of global life. They use written and unwritten laws to disenfranchise people in varying degrees in order to create unequal opportunity. I know this is a very general explanation, but I think it is how certain ethnic and economic groups keep and maintain power in a country.

Question in case of Finland is, do we want more negro muslims from somalia, muslims from Iran, Iraq or Afganistan to move to Finland?

Most of those “people” can’t reed or write, can’t speak any languege spoken in Finland. They comes in saying “we are only 16 years old”, when the truth has being even more then 34 years in most worst case.

So, adult mans who should be taking care of their own country, are coming to Finland for living with our taxpayers money, for ever, a?

Then after one(1) year they have rights to bring their entire family to Finland, by plain, Finland pay?!

That sounds OK?

FORTUNATELY we are going to have parliament election next year 2011, and we have now a new party that WILL blow up all this shit, Muutos2011!

Most of those “people” can’t reed or write, can’t speak any languege spoken in Finland. They comes in saying “we are only 16 years old”, when the truth has being even more then 34 years in most worst case.
-Because there are so many countries on this planet where you can learn Finnish at school…you are not able to write proper English even so your education is regarded as being so good. How can you expect an immigrant to get native Finnish skills?

So, adult mans who should be taking care of their own country, are coming to Finland for living with our taxpayers money, for ever, a?
-If you don’t give them jobs because of their background then maybe yes. But there might be also others who are just fed up after a while and move to another country.

Then after one(1) year they have rights to bring their entire family to Finland, by plain, Finland pay?!
-You would most likely also bring your family if you immigrate to another country. What’s the use of living alone? Never heared that any country pays the flights 🙂

As a party, I would more think about how to generate new jobs and stimulate the economy rather than blaming 2.9% immigrants in Finland for all their problems.

What I find interesting about such racists talks is that these people have usually not even talked with somebody coming from those countries. So basically, they are forming their opinion according to something they have heard or most likely learnt from somebody else. All this kind of thinking is usually a result from not finding out about things yourself, but going along with the group of people who all repeat the same shit.
Let me ask you – have you ever had a conversation with a somalian, iranian or an iraqi?

And also may I say that somebody who does not know how to write correct english is not in a position to tell somebody should know how to speak finnish 🙂 It´s not a task to learn english……learning finnish is something completely different.

–Let me ask you – have you ever had a conversation with a somalian, iranian or an iraqi?

A very good question, Jihu. Thank you xyz for your input in trying to explain ro Teponpoika Teppo that “the majority” of Muslims are not illiterate. This person, who uses as an icon “lakupekka” licorice and says that Muutos 2011 will “blow up all this shit” is scary.

I was reluctant to let this person make a comment here but his questionable point of view goes well with showing an example of a person who is totally off track when it comes to dealing with people from other cultures.

I have had conversations with all these people. And I asked them all “did Muhammad give a violent example to his followers or did he preach peace?” In each case they said that Muhammad never hurt anyone and that all he ever preached was peace.

That brings me to the doctrine that is in Islam called
Taqiyya. You probably are not aware of it. This means that a Muslim entering a country could lie on his declaration if he thinks that he is doing it for Allah. All the people I talked to did not know that I have studied this subject for a long time and knew something they thought I, like most people in the the west, did not know. They can go around and say that Islam is anything and most people wouldn’t know if it was true or false. Of course Muhammad was a general and went around beheading people. Why is it that terrorists are seen on TV beheading innocent people? Because they are doing as they are told. They are being good Muslims. Of course not everyone is a good Muslim, like Christian they are nominal. These couldn’t care less about violence or any Islamic doctrine. They just want to live in peace. But, what eventually happens is that as the numbers grow, the more violent ones take over and make the peaceful Muslims irrelevant. This has happened around the world, and it is how they do it one country at a time. Lying is part of the process, and you can’t tell who is following the Qur’an and who isn’t – they don’t go around advertising it.

So, truth is not a priority to these people if they are true believers. Therefore their religion is not welcome in Finland…period. Finns are known for their love of truth. So, I know you will have some “smart” comeback to this, so let’s hear it.

You cannot say that saying things about Islam (a theopolitical ideology, not a religion) is racists. Islam is not a race but an ideology. It is being called a religion. It is not. So it is OK to be on the other side opposing Islam because you can think of it if you wish, as more of a political party, such as Fascism or Communism, but definitely not democracy. There is no democratic principles in it. It is totally totalitarian.
OK you theologians, give it your best shot! Tell me I am wrong.

–You cannot say that saying things about Islam (a theopolitical ideology, not a religion) is racists. Islam is not a race but an ideology.

No matter how much you claim to know Osmo, your message boils down to the following: they are so strange and never can be like us. Kick them out or keep them out. If you believe our culture is so much in the right why do you fear others so much? Isn’t it funny that that is the conclusion of your discourse? They are so strange and evil. If we lived in the 1950s you would be telling us about how blacks are going to take over and how we should fear them as well. That kind of fear you are preaching is the exact language that the worst dictatorships use.