Hang on, I just heard on radio York that there is a lorry broken down on Lendal Bridge. This is causing horrendous queues as just reported.

Since when did bus delays become breaking news, Mmmmm.

Hang on, I just heard on radio York that there is a lorry broken down on Lendal Bridge. This is causing horrendous queues as just reported.
Since when did bus delays become breaking news, Mmmmm.YOUWILLDOASISAY

Heavy traffic due to broken down lorry on A1036 Rougier Street both ways between B1227 Rougier Street and Duncombe Place. Affecting traffic headed in both directions coming off the Lendal bridge.
Last updated 13 minutes ago

Nothing to do with broken traffic lights in Fishergate as already stated by sniper 9964, broken yesterday.

First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.

From the press traffic reports:
A1036 Rougier Street York
Heavy traffic due to broken down lorry on A1036 Rougier Street both ways between B1227 Rougier Street and Duncombe Place. Affecting traffic headed in both directions coming off the Lendal bridge.
Last updated 13 minutes ago
Nothing to do with broken traffic lights in Fishergate as already stated by sniper 9964, broken yesterday.
First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.YOUWILLDOASISAY

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.YOUWILLDOASISAY

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.

Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....

They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic

[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.
Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....[/p][/quote]They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffickidology

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.

Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....

They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic

[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.
Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....[/p][/quote]They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffickidology

So we've now had a half dozen vehicles broken down around town in the last week. It happens.

Broken traffic lights usually switch off, like the Mount ones keep doing, but if they're like the Foss Islands ones last year, where they jam... you see where I'm going with this?

So we've now had a half dozen vehicles broken down around town in the last week. It happens.
Broken traffic lights usually switch off, like the Mount ones keep doing, but if they're like the Foss Islands ones last year, where they jam... you see where I'm going with this?oldgoat

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.

Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....

They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic

Or alternatively the story has been updated since the comment.

YOU read the story before trying to insult people!

[quote][p][bold]kidology[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.
Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....[/p][/quote]They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic[/p][/quote]Or alternatively the story has been updated since the comment.
YOU read the story before trying to insult people!AGuyFromStrensall

The new lights on Boroughbridge Rd were doing that this morning too, turning to red when there wasn't any traffic in or out of the housing estate. Then the ones on Poppleton Rd for the bus priority lane also turned to red when there were no busses and then the lights at Fishergate, not only turning to red without reason but staying on red for ages. I felt I had a cursed trip into work this morning!

The new lights on Boroughbridge Rd were doing that this morning too, turning to red when there wasn't any traffic in or out of the housing estate. Then the ones on Poppleton Rd for the bus priority lane also turned to red when there were no busses and then the lights at Fishergate, not only turning to red without reason but staying on red for ages. I felt I had a cursed trip into work this morning!MrsHoney

I am still waiting for David Levene to return my calls/e-mails; basically to see how much help he wants from the public! I hope he responds because the summer months and the Cycle Event will test the traffic control to the limit.

Lights at P and R sites should be scrutinized/re-appra
ised to see when they are really harmful; and when they really are useful. Not an expensive issue at all. The council have the money from PCNs, so why not act instead of spending excess costs on 20mph limits/zones when , I believe, only the police can prosecute THOSE TRANSGRESSIONS!

I still wish York had portable variable message sign illumninator boards on all main routes into the city!

I am still waiting for David Levene to return my calls/e-mails; basically to see how much help he wants from the public! I hope he responds because the summer months and the Cycle Event will test the traffic control to the limit.
Lights at P and R sites should be scrutinized/re-appra
ised to see when they are really harmful; and when they really are useful. Not an expensive issue at all. The council have the money from PCNs, so why not act instead of spending excess costs on 20mph limits/zones when , I believe, only the police can prosecute THOSE TRANSGRESSIONS!
I still wish York had portable variable message sign illumninator boards on all main routes into the city!Cheeky face

[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kidology[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.
Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....[/p][/quote]They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic[/p][/quote]Or alternatively the story has been updated since the comment.
YOU read the story before trying to insult people![/p][/quote]So someone trying to score cheap points gets +ve and me calling him out gets -ve
Stay classy comments section....AGuyFromStrensall

When York councillors decided to fill in all the lay-by style of bus stop it seemed evident to all but them that it would cause problems. Adding to that now are the bus drivers who, rather than pull up parallel to the kerb, often leave their back ends 3 foot out into the road in an attempt to stop other traffic progressing normally. The habit annoys other road users which in turn usually means cars then do not pause to allow the buses out. Catch 22.

When York councillors decided to fill in all the lay-by style of bus stop it seemed evident to all but them that it would cause problems. Adding to that now are the bus drivers who, rather than pull up parallel to the kerb, often leave their back ends 3 foot out into the road in an attempt to stop other traffic progressing normally. The habit annoys other road users which in turn usually means cars then do not pause to allow the buses out. Catch 22.chunkyyorkie

delays around the Railway Station area caused by car transporters unloading in Queen Street, taking a lane out of action.

What's this all about, is it a usual occurrence? Why are the police allowing it, have we actually got a police force nowadays?

[quote]delays around the Railway Station area caused by car transporters unloading in Queen Street, taking a lane out of action.[/quote]
What's this all about, is it a usual occurrence? Why are the police allowing it, have we actually got a police force nowadays?Sillybillies

If the traffic lights are red then people will stop thus causing delays. If the lights are completely off then traffic flows much more quickly. The lights should have been covered but the council seem to do nothing these days.

If the traffic lights are red then people will stop thus causing delays. If the lights are completely off then traffic flows much more quickly. The lights should have been covered but the council seem to do nothing these days.ouseswimmer

ouseswimmer wrote:
If the traffic lights are red then people will stop thus causing delays. If the lights are completely off then traffic flows much more quickly. The lights should have been covered but the council seem to do nothing these days.

Have you ever been to one of the many countries in the world that traffic lights are ignored (like the were off)? Funnily enough the traffic doesn't flow like the utopia you claim.

Now if certain lights were part time in off peak times so you wouldn't wait 2 minutes looking at an empty street, now that would actually make some sense.

[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote:
If the traffic lights are red then people will stop thus causing delays. If the lights are completely off then traffic flows much more quickly. The lights should have been covered but the council seem to do nothing these days.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been to one of the many countries in the world that traffic lights are ignored (like the were off)? Funnily enough the traffic doesn't flow like the utopia you claim.
Now if certain lights were part time in off peak times so you wouldn't wait 2 minutes looking at an empty street, now that would actually make some sense.AGuyFromStrensall

The closure of lendle bridge did not just clear one place, it cleared clarence street gillygate and the station, now the old delays are back, so no point moaning just sit in it and count the hours away

The closure of lendle bridge did not just clear one place, it cleared clarence street gillygate and the station, now the old delays are back, so no point moaning just sit in it and count the hours awaydaveyboy25

If a bus is running 50 minutes late but there's a 10 minute frequency on the service, what's the problem? Shouldn't there still be a bus every ten minutes once the first, delayed one has gone past? Even more once the obstruction has been removed...

If a bus is running 50 minutes late but there's a 10 minute frequency on the service, what's the problem? Shouldn't there still be a bus every ten minutes once the first, delayed one has gone past? Even more once the obstruction has been removed...Ignatius Lumpopo

daveyboy25 wrote:
The closure of lendle bridge did not just clear one place, it cleared clarence street gillygate and the station, now the old delays are back, so no point moaning just sit in it and count the hours away

Do you think people just gave up and didn't drive during the closure? Really?

The congestion just went somewhere else! *sigh*

[quote][p][bold]daveyboy25[/bold] wrote:
The closure of lendle bridge did not just clear one place, it cleared clarence street gillygate and the station, now the old delays are back, so no point moaning just sit in it and count the hours away[/p][/quote]Do you think people just gave up and didn't drive during the closure? Really?
The congestion just went somewhere else! *sigh*AGuyFromStrensall

bolero wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.

No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the "I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.

[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.[/p][/quote]No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the "I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.Caecilius

These people are probably working and need their car to get from place to place.

Aye, that'll be right!

[quote][p][bold]electricwarrior[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote:
Too many cars with one person in it.[/p][/quote]These people are probably working and need their car to get from place to place.[/p][/quote]Aye, that'll be right!Haywire

bolero wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.

No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the &quot;I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.

Do you know that all of these cars were going into town? I doubt it very much. Lendal Bridge; in case you don't know; is part of a through route through York to many other destinations and because of a failure to duel the 1237 drivers find it quicker to stick to the old route thereby avoiding even worse congestion. This is amply demonstrated today where traffic is virtually at a standstill on the outer ring road. All of our intrepid cyclists have also taken to their cars today of course because of the weather conditions.

[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.[/p][/quote]No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the "I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.[/p][/quote]Do you know that all of these cars were going into town? I doubt it very much. Lendal Bridge; in case you don't know; is part of a through route through York to many other destinations and because of a failure to duel the 1237 drivers find it quicker to stick to the old route thereby avoiding even worse congestion. This is amply demonstrated today where traffic is virtually at a standstill on the outer ring road. All of our intrepid cyclists have also taken to their cars today of course because of the weather conditions.bolero

Just because you are paranoid does not mean that people are not out to get you! lol.

[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kidology[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote:
Hang on. I thought all the wise heads on here told us with great authority that traffic moves better with the lights off.
Who would have thunk that his might be wrong....[/p][/quote]They do read the story properly they kept changing to red hence holding up traffic[/p][/quote]Or alternatively the story has been updated since the comment.
YOU read the story before trying to insult people![/p][/quote]So someone trying to score cheap points gets +ve and me calling him out gets -ve
Stay classy comments section....[/p][/quote]Just because you are paranoid does not mean that people are not out to get you! lol.eeoodares

Heavy traffic due to broken down lorry on A1036 Rougier Street both ways between B1227 Rougier Street and Duncombe Place. Affecting traffic headed in both directions coming off the Lendal bridge.
Last updated 13 minutes ago

Nothing to do with broken traffic lights in Fishergate as already stated by sniper 9964, broken yesterday.

First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.

not a job for you then as you know nothing.

[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
From the press traffic reports:
A1036 Rougier Street York
Heavy traffic due to broken down lorry on A1036 Rougier Street both ways between B1227 Rougier Street and Duncombe Place. Affecting traffic headed in both directions coming off the Lendal bridge.
Last updated 13 minutes ago
Nothing to do with broken traffic lights in Fishergate as already stated by sniper 9964, broken yesterday.
First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.[/p][/quote]not a job for you then as you know nothing.jake777

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

get a life you sad person.

[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.[/p][/quote]get a life you sad person.jake777

Cheeky face wrote:
I am still waiting for David Levene to return my calls/e-mails; basically to see how much help he wants from the public! I hope he responds because the summer months and the Cycle Event will test the traffic control to the limit.

Lights at P and R sites should be scrutinized/re-appra

ised to see when they are really harmful; and when they really are useful. Not an expensive issue at all. The council have the money from PCNs, so why not act instead of spending excess costs on 20mph limits/zones when , I believe, only the police can prosecute THOSE TRANSGRESSIONS!

I still wish York had portable variable message sign illumninator boards on all main routes into the city!

Yawn Yawn Yawn gramaphone.

[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote:
I am still waiting for David Levene to return my calls/e-mails; basically to see how much help he wants from the public! I hope he responds because the summer months and the Cycle Event will test the traffic control to the limit.
Lights at P and R sites should be scrutinized/re-appra
ised to see when they are really harmful; and when they really are useful. Not an expensive issue at all. The council have the money from PCNs, so why not act instead of spending excess costs on 20mph limits/zones when , I believe, only the police can prosecute THOSE TRANSGRESSIONS!
I still wish York had portable variable message sign illumninator boards on all main routes into the city![/p][/quote]Yawn Yawn Yawn gramaphone.jake777

York has been busy all week, quite a lot of schools outside of York are still on holiday and do not return till next week so many extra tourists.

If it's the same next week I suspect the Council will have messed with the timing of the traffic lights to prove a point over the bridge fiasco.

York has been busy all week, quite a lot of schools outside of York are still on holiday and do not return till next week so many extra tourists.
If it's the same next week I suspect the Council will have messed with the timing of the traffic lights to prove a point over the bridge fiasco.Back and Beyond

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

get a life you sad person.

Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).

Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.

[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.[/p][/quote]get a life you sad person.[/p][/quote]Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).
Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.YOUWILLDOASISAY

bolero wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.

No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the &quot;I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.

Do you know that all of these cars were going into town? I doubt it very much. Lendal Bridge; in case you don't know; is part of a through route through York to many other destinations and because of a failure to duel the 1237 drivers find it quicker to stick to the old route thereby avoiding even worse congestion. This is amply demonstrated today where traffic is virtually at a standstill on the outer ring road. All of our intrepid cyclists have also taken to their cars today of course because of the weather conditions.

its a case of I wont go out without my car, bring on the congestion charges.

[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote:
Well at least the facts as stated clearly show that the disruption is not caused by the reopening of lendal Bridge if that is what they are trying to convince us of.[/p][/quote]No. It's caused by broken-down vehicles and by the highway being obstructed by the delivery of goods (ironically, yet more cars.....) to a city business. I wonder if its owner was one of the minority of traders alleging that the closure of Lendal Bridge was causing a fall in sales and demanding that it should be reopened? The disruption, in turn, makes the everyday congestion that's being caused by cars even worse. Lendal Bridge is rammed with cars again, and their drivers can now ring the changes by sitting motionless in traffic there instead of sitting motionless in traffic somewhere else - though the "I pay road tax!" brigade can enjoy the satisfaction of seeing that, once again, they're forcing people who walk, cycle or take the bus to share in the negative consequences of the drivers' choice to take the car into town. Traffic was tailed back all the way from Bootham Bar past St Peter's School at lunchtime today, just like it always is regardless of whether Lendal Bridge is open or shut. The whole of York was close to gridlock on Monday evening simply because 2 or 3 broken down vehicles were all it took to cripple a road network choked by the amount of traffic. Reopening Lendal Bridge was never going to do anything to reduce congestion, because closing the bridge was never the cause of it.[/p][/quote]Do you know that all of these cars were going into town? I doubt it very much. Lendal Bridge; in case you don't know; is part of a through route through York to many other destinations and because of a failure to duel the 1237 drivers find it quicker to stick to the old route thereby avoiding even worse congestion. This is amply demonstrated today where traffic is virtually at a standstill on the outer ring road. All of our intrepid cyclists have also taken to their cars today of course because of the weather conditions.[/p][/quote]its a case of I wont go out without my car, bring on the congestion charges.jake777

wildthing666 wrote:
First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.

First York cannot even run a decent bus service

another no brains ha ha ha..

[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote:
First York would be better off running busses and leaving traffic reporting to those who know what they are doing.
First York cannot even run a decent bus service[/p][/quote]another no brains ha ha ha..jake777

Back and Beyond wrote:
York has been busy all week, quite a lot of schools outside of York are still on holiday and do not return till next week so many extra tourists.

If it's the same next week I suspect the Council will have messed with the timing of the traffic lights to prove a point over the bridge fiasco.

go back to the beyond.

[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote:
York has been busy all week, quite a lot of schools outside of York are still on holiday and do not return till next week so many extra tourists.
If it's the same next week I suspect the Council will have messed with the timing of the traffic lights to prove a point over the bridge fiasco.[/p][/quote]go back to the beyond.jake777

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

get a life you sad person.

Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).

Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.

better comedian than yourself jog on sony.

[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.[/p][/quote]get a life you sad person.[/p][/quote]Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).
Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.[/p][/quote]better comedian than yourself jog on sony.jake777

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

get a life you sad person.

Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).

Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.

better comedian than yourself jog on sony.

A comedian is all you are (sony is a Japanese electronics company).

[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.[/p][/quote]get a life you sad person.[/p][/quote]Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).
Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.[/p][/quote]better comedian than yourself jog on sony.[/p][/quote]A comedian is all you are (sony is a Japanese electronics company).YOUWILLDOASISAY

I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.

I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.Paul Hepworth

Dave Anne. Get as many of your supporters to write letters to the press as you can over the next few months expressing their displeasure at the reopening of Lendal Bridge.
We will keep the score adjuster on hand to change the scores on any negative comments.
In the mean time we will change the sequencing of the lights, which we altered to make the bridge closure look good, back to short set to create as much congestion as they created before. In view of this if your supporters are advised when they write in to mention how bad the traffic is now that would be helpful.
I will also get in touch with First and ask then to tell the press every time a bus is held up.
Thanks ??????? FOI - wink wink

Dave Anne. Get as many of your supporters to write letters to the press as you can over the next few months expressing their displeasure at the reopening of Lendal Bridge.
We will keep the score adjuster on hand to change the scores on any negative comments.
In the mean time we will change the sequencing of the lights, which we altered to make the bridge closure look good, back to short set to create as much congestion as they created before. In view of this if your supporters are advised when they write in to mention how bad the traffic is now that would be helpful.
I will also get in touch with First and ask then to tell the press every time a bus is held up.
Thanks ??????? FOI - wink winkstrangebuttrue?

The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.

BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!

Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.

Boycott them if you possibly can !

If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.

Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.

We really have some filth in power now.

Labour = pathetic losers.

The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.
BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!
Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.
Boycott them if you possibly can !
If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.
Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.
We really have some filth in power now.
Labour = pathetic losers.MorkofYork

BL2 wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these &quot;news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.

Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.

Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.

get a life you sad person.

Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).

Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.

better comedian than yourself jog on sony.

A comedian is all you are (sony is a Japanese electronics company).

Clever boy/girl 10 out of 10, go to the top of the class.

[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote:
Seems I'm not the only one who noticed these "news" articles appearing after the Lendal Bridge trial is ended. I wonder how many delays, etc there were during? I expect much the same.[/p][/quote]Could it be bias reporting on traffic now being used to condition us all to the error of our ways post the Lendal tragedy.
Traffic reporting needs to be accurate not based on a for profit company's opinion who see's benefits in degrading the road network for the majority of users. Anyway who is going to read the press before getting on a bus, there is something not quite right about the way First York are using the press to report there service level with inaccurate reasoning/causes.[/p][/quote]get a life you sad person.[/p][/quote]Yes Jake777, your right, I'm the one that needs to get a life (fits of laughter).
Crack on you one line wonder, your intelligent contributions are always appreciated even if it is only for the comedy value.[/p][/quote]better comedian than yourself jog on sony.[/p][/quote]A comedian is all you are (sony is a Japanese electronics company).[/p][/quote]Clever boy/girl 10 out of 10, go to the top of the class.jake777

Happytoliveinyork wrote:
First have been tweeting that recent delays are because the bridge is open again - laughable!

Please can the down voters get me to -100 please?

[quote][p][bold]Happytoliveinyork[/bold] wrote:
First have been tweeting that recent delays are because the bridge is open again - laughable![/p][/quote]Please can the down voters get me to -100 please?Happytoliveinyork

MorkofYork wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.

BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!

Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.

Boycott them if you possibly can !

If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.

Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.

We really have some filth in power now.

Labour = pathetic losers.

Don't you mean `non-starters`?

[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.
BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!
Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.
Boycott them if you possibly can !
If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.
Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.
We really have some filth in power now.
Labour = pathetic losers.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean `non-starters`?bolero

HoofHearteds wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon

Why? Are you going to draw breath?

[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon[/p][/quote]Why? Are you going to draw breath?bolero

Paul Hepworth wrote:
I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.

How can you justify riding a single occupancy bike? I think it's your moral duty to give someone a backer, attach a trailer with a family in it and carry someone on your shoulders, otherwise they all need their own bikes and think of the environmental damage of that. If you object to this you just selfishly want a 'single bike paradise'. And next time you watch TV or listen to music or read a book in the privacy of your own home, well how dare you when at least 10 people could be comfortably sitting next to you enjoying those things too?

[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.[/p][/quote]How can you justify riding a single occupancy bike? I think it's your moral duty to give someone a backer, attach a trailer with a family in it and carry someone on your shoulders, otherwise they all need their own bikes and think of the environmental damage of that. If you object to this you just selfishly want a 'single bike paradise'. And next time you watch TV or listen to music or read a book in the privacy of your own home, well how dare you when at least 10 people could be comfortably sitting next to you enjoying those things too?swh1963

And which councillor was late for a wedding this time? Have they been mucking about with the lights synchronisation again! When the lights were down on the Mount the other week, Minster FM reported traffic queues as I drove through that area. There was no traffic whatsoever, as was rang in to Minster FM. The traffic did appear to move much freer with the lights out. Maybe there was less traffic than normal, who knows.

And which councillor was late for a wedding this time? Have they been mucking about with the lights synchronisation again! When the lights were down on the Mount the other week, Minster FM reported traffic queues as I drove through that area. There was no traffic whatsoever, as was rang in to Minster FM. The traffic did appear to move much freer with the lights out. Maybe there was less traffic than normal, who knows.deckhanddave

HoofHearteds wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon

There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.

[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon[/p][/quote]There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.m dee

Paul Hepworth wrote:
I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.

Well you should have popped over to the West office and asked the new Head of Transport why he had not come outside and took the same course of action as you did ,and did you ask the driver why it took him ten minutes to pick up the phone for assistance.

[quote][p][bold]Paul Hepworth[/bold] wrote:
I cycled to work this morning from Holgate. Poppleton Road right into town was tailbacked, but I made the trip in around 10 minutes. Most of the queuing cars that I passed were single occupancy.....
When I reached Lendal Bridge I came up behind a stationary lorry with an 'orrible pong coming from it. I spoke to the driver who was on the phone to his company, saying that he had broken down and needed recovery. I confirmed his location to him, as he initially thought he was on Station Rise. On the opposite side of the bridge, a broken down car was part on the footpath, with its lady driver also trying to get assistance.
I flagged down a police patrol vehicle that was approaching, updated the officer and asked if he could let his Control Room know, which he did. A little later on, two PCSO's were seen managing the situation.
So either PP has switched on his fiendish motor vehicle zapper, or two road users were having a coincidentally unlucky morning.[/p][/quote]Well you should have popped over to the West office and asked the new Head of Transport why he had not come outside and took the same course of action as you did ,and did you ask the driver why it took him ten minutes to pick up the phone for assistance.m dee

HoofHearteds wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon

There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.

Dee sugar plum, calm down and don't jump to premature conclusions. The Pen pushers decision to try and tell people 250 miles away from his place of work and home is all being sorted. The temporary reopening of the bridge has been positive. The responses from Residents and now businesses have become louder and more in favour since the traffic flow around the city has worsened. A few bigots with political axes to grind wont stop the Smoke free train of progress pushing forward. Choooo Choooo ;=)

[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon[/p][/quote]There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.[/p][/quote]Dee sugar plum, calm down and don't jump to premature conclusions. The Pen pushers decision to try and tell people 250 miles away from his place of work and home is all being sorted. The temporary reopening of the bridge has been positive. The responses from Residents and now businesses have become louder and more in favour since the traffic flow around the city has worsened. A few bigots with political axes to grind wont stop the Smoke free train of progress pushing forward. Choooo Choooo ;=)HoofHearteds

One of the key issues we face is that most road intersections and other features these days seemingly HAVE to be controlled by traffic lights; even minor junctions with very little turning traffic. The housing estate on the old printworks site on Boroughbridge Rd is one example, the entrance to the business park on Poppleton Rd is another, the Park and Ride entrance on Shipton Rd etc - (that sees ONE York-bound bus turn right in each 10 minute period) yet it has TWENTY separate traffic light poles all burning electricity 24/7. The place is closed with a gate across the entrance for at least 12 hours a day for goodness sake.

I fail to understand why the concept of a basic T junction, where road users exercise their own judgement seems to be such an alien concept in contemporary road design. If you're incapable of completing a right or left turn without a traffic light to stop all other traffic, you shouldn't be cycling or driving on the roads. Obviously lights are needed at busy 4-way or blind junctions, but not at many others.

There's also the installation, maintenance and electricity costs (and environmental impact) to consider. The junction of Rawcliffe Lane and Shipton Rd for example, (which until a few years ago was always a standard T junction), now has at least a TEN separate traffic light poles burning electricity and stopping vehicles when there's no oncoming traffic and no pedestrians in sight.

One of the key issues we face is that most road intersections and other features these days seemingly HAVE to be controlled by traffic lights; even minor junctions with very little turning traffic. The housing estate on the old printworks site on Boroughbridge Rd is one example, the entrance to the business park on Poppleton Rd is another, the Park and Ride entrance on Shipton Rd etc - (that sees ONE York-bound bus turn right in each 10 minute period) yet it has TWENTY separate traffic light poles all burning electricity 24/7. The place is closed with a gate across the entrance for at least 12 hours a day for goodness sake.
I fail to understand why the concept of a basic T junction, where road users exercise their own judgement seems to be such an alien concept in contemporary road design. If you're incapable of completing a right or left turn without a traffic light to stop all other traffic, you shouldn't be cycling or driving on the roads. Obviously lights are needed at busy 4-way or blind junctions, but not at many others.
There's also the installation, maintenance and electricity costs (and environmental impact) to consider. The junction of Rawcliffe Lane and Shipton Rd for example, (which until a few years ago was always a standard T junction), now has at least a TEN separate traffic light poles burning electricity and stopping vehicles when there's no oncoming traffic and no pedestrians in sight.york_chap

And just think... if Lendal bridge was still closed, that lorry would have broken down on it! Or even if lorries were permitted over the bridge but private cars were not, the adverse effect of a broken down lorry there would have been much less - especially as bus drivers tend to take turns letting each other go around the single lane section of road when there is an obstruction, compaed to car drivers who tend to force their way through.

And just think... if Lendal bridge was still closed, that lorry would have broken down on it! Or even if lorries were permitted over the bridge but private cars were not, the adverse effect of a broken down lorry there would have been much less - especially as bus drivers tend to take turns letting each other go around the single lane section of road when there is an obstruction, compaed to car drivers who tend to force their way through.Magicman!

HoofHearteds wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon

There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.

Dee sugar plum, calm down and don't jump to premature conclusions. The Pen pushers decision to try and tell people 250 miles away from his place of work and home is all being sorted. The temporary reopening of the bridge has been positive. The responses from Residents and now businesses have become louder and more in favour since the traffic flow around the city has worsened. A few bigots with political axes to grind wont stop the Smoke free train of progress pushing forward. Choooo Choooo ;=)

You are horribly smug, dreadful personality. It's no surprise you support this council.

[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote:
The minority of fools have got a temporary reprieve for now. But fear not people who see the bigger more important picture. The City will be free from car pollution soon[/p][/quote]There you are I see that adjudication officer you described as a pen pusher got his way ,hows that legal challenge coming along.[/p][/quote]Dee sugar plum, calm down and don't jump to premature conclusions. The Pen pushers decision to try and tell people 250 miles away from his place of work and home is all being sorted. The temporary reopening of the bridge has been positive. The responses from Residents and now businesses have become louder and more in favour since the traffic flow around the city has worsened. A few bigots with political axes to grind wont stop the Smoke free train of progress pushing forward. Choooo Choooo ;=)[/p][/quote]You are horribly smug, dreadful personality. It's no surprise you support this council.MorkofYork

MorkofYork wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.

BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!

Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.

Boycott them if you possibly can !

If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.

Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.

We really have some filth in power now.

Labour = pathetic losers.

what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.
BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!
Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.
Boycott them if you possibly can !
If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.
Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.
We really have some filth in power now.
Labour = pathetic losers.[/p][/quote]what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!jake777

You never do have anything of any worth to say. I think it's pretty obvious what they were up to. That's why this story exists.

Luckily Labour don't have enough time left to carry out their crooked plans. They can barely do anything more now, and i thought Ouse bridge was next ? What a shame.

You never do have anything of any worth to say. I think it's pretty obvious what they were up to. That's why this story exists.
Luckily Labour don't have enough time left to carry out their crooked plans. They can barely do anything more now, and i thought Ouse bridge was next ? What a shame.MorkofYork

MorkofYork wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.

BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!

Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.

Boycott them if you possibly can !

If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.

Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.

We really have some filth in power now.

Labour = pathetic losers.

what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jake777 - Have you noticed that not one of your comments gets a positive vote?! That's because nobody gives a flying about what you have to say.

You should save your breath for blowing up your girlfriend, SONNY!!

I look forward to your childish, badly constructed reply because frankly you are funnier than most comedies.

[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.
BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!
Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.
Boycott them if you possibly can !
If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.
Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.
We really have some filth in power now.
Labour = pathetic losers.[/p][/quote]what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]jake777 - Have you noticed that not one of your comments gets a positive vote?! That's because nobody gives a flying about what you have to say.
You should save your breath for blowing up your girlfriend, SONNY!!
I look forward to your childish, badly constructed reply because frankly you are funnier than most comedies.Matt_RSJ

MorkofYork wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.

BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!

Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.

Boycott them if you possibly can !

If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.

Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.

We really have some filth in power now.

Labour = pathetic losers.

what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jake777 - Have you noticed that not one of your comments gets a positive vote?! That's because nobody gives a flying about what you have to say.

You should save your breath for blowing up your girlfriend, SONNY!!

I look forward to your childish, badly constructed reply because frankly you are funnier than most comedies.

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[quote][p][bold]Matt_RSJ[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote:
The buses are deliberately creating obstructions. One sat in the left hand lane outside the Odeon and waited for another bus to pull out, the bus was still taking on passengers. We sat behind for 30 seconds to a minute while this bus just sat there blocking the road. I drove down the side of him because i was turning down nunnery lane and he had a dirty smug grin on his face.
BOYCOTT THE BUSES !!
Some things are right or wrong and deliberately trying to cause congestion is wrong, it doesn't matter if you drive or not.
Boycott them if you possibly can !
If the lights are have been out it might be that they're altering them. The lights on Gillygate kept going out right before the trial started.
Free parking or deliberately trying to cause congestion ? I would avoid town if possible.
We really have some filth in power now.
Labour = pathetic losers.[/p][/quote]what an Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]jake777 - Have you noticed that not one of your comments gets a positive vote?! That's because nobody gives a flying about what you have to say.
You should save your breath for blowing up your girlfriend, SONNY!!
I look forward to your childish, badly constructed reply because frankly you are funnier than most comedies.[/p][/quote]zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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