'...this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything' -- Sen. Harry Reid, 4/19/07

Thank you Drudge.

ROFL

bango

12-22-2007, 12:59 AM

Who in the hell does he think he is, and who let him change his stance?

SBK

12-22-2007, 01:03 AM

Harry Reid is the man. We need more Senators like him. When I think of people that get things done in Washington, people that aren't corrupted, and people that actually have the countries interests at heart I think of people like Harry Reid.

You're a better man than to slander a gentleman like Harry Reid like that Johnny. I disagree with the man politically, but I would never think to slander him. I think he's a weak leader, but I'd never question his character.

I don't understand why so many people of the right side of the political spectrum think that slander is so permissable. It only reveals a weakness of character for the person doing the slandering, IMO.

patteeu

12-22-2007, 08:44 AM

You're a better man than to slander a gentleman like Harry Reid like that Johnny. I disagree with the man politically, but I would never think to slander him. I think he's a weak leader, but I'd never question his character.

I don't understand why so many people of the right side of the political spectrum think that slander is so permissable. It only reveals a weakness of character for the person doing the slandering, IMO.

Yeah, that's a characteristic of the right. The left and the Ron Paul "true right" would never be involved in that practice. LOL

Chief Henry

12-22-2007, 08:49 AM

You're a better man than to slander a gentleman like Harry Reid like that Johnny. I disagree with the man politically, but I would never think to slander him. I think he's a weak leader, but I'd never question his character.

I don't understand why so many people of the right side of the political spectrum think that slander is so permissable. It only reveals a weakness of character for the person doing the slandering, IMO.

Try a search for "President Bush/Hitler" sometime on Google and you'll
see the left's political spectrum slandering President Bush brutally.
I guess it only reveals the weakness of character for the persons
doing the slandering.

'...this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything' -- Sen. Harry Reid, 4/19/07

Thank you Drudge.

ROFL

Oh crap, Pelosi is going to have a stroke!! DNC will have to redistribute their campiagn funds somewhere else now.

stevieray

12-22-2007, 10:36 AM

I don't understand why so many people of the right side of the political spectrum think that slander is so permissable. It only reveals a weakness of character for the person doing the slandering, IMO.

ROFL ...whew... ROFL

SBK

12-22-2007, 12:54 PM

Yeah, that's a characteristic of the right. The left and the Ron Paul "true right" would never be involved in that practice. LOL

ROFL

My rep box would say that Taco is either a hypocrite or believes otherwise too.

Taco John

12-22-2007, 01:17 PM

ROFL

My rep box would say that Taco is either a hypocrite or believes otherwise too.

Huh? When is the last time I bothered to rep you? I don't remember it.

wazu

12-22-2007, 01:49 PM

No question the surge has helped Iraq. It's also cost more American lives and money. If it's worth the toll in tax payers and American lives to you, then go ahead and have a good laugh.

KCJohnny

12-22-2007, 02:05 PM

You're a better man than to slander a gentleman like Harry Reid like that Johnny. I disagree with the man politically, but I would never think to slander him. I think he's a weak leader, but I'd never question his character.

I don't understand why so many people of the right side of the political spectrum think that slander is so permissable. It only reveals a weakness of character for the person doing the slandering, IMO.

Taco:
Not slandering the man at all - but his state gave me the creeps when I flew through Las Vegas for Army business in OCT this year. I thank God my kids were not with me - there would have been no way to shield their eyes/ears from the porno promotions, filthy language, 20' banners of indecently exposed women in slutty poses, etc... Mind you, this was the AIRPORT BAGGAGE CLAIM, not a casino.

I don't need to say anything about the reprehensible behavior of many San Franciscans. As a regular old American GI, I am disgusted with what those two cities have come to represent and I find it telling that the Senate and House majority leaders hail from these 2 cesspools.

I know there are thousands of great God-fearing, law-abiding patriotic Americans in both cities, but they must have to little or no influence in how the rest of the country views their hometown.

This is not just a domestic issue. I was in a guard tower in Haiti in 1994 across from a Bengladeshi soldier. I asked him what comes to mind when he thinks of America. This Muslim soldier laughed out loud and retorted, "that's easy! Free sex!"

That might pass for smutty, sophomoric humor among the immature who post here, but there are strategic consequences to being perceived that way.

'...this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything' -- Sen. Harry Reid, 4/19/07

Thank you Drudge.

ROFL

I see nothing wrong with a politician having the courage to change his stance on an issue. Especially if the results are there to support it.

No, Im not a Reid supporter.

Cochise

12-22-2007, 02:38 PM

I see nothing wrong with a politician having the courage to change his stance on an issue. Especially if the results are there to support it.

No, Im not a Reid supporter.

Reid should be shamed for trying to talk down the war and induce surrender when the policy he was opposing was exactly what was needed.

It's not like he had courage to change his stance, he was drug by reality kicking and screaming over to the other side of the issue.

HolmeZz

12-22-2007, 03:00 PM

Taco:
Not slandering the man at all - but his state gave me the creeps when I flew through Las Vegas for Army business in OCT this year. I thank God my kids were not with me - there would have been no way to shield their eyes/ears from the porno promotions, filthy language, 20' banners of indecently exposed women in slutty poses, etc... Mind you, this was the AIRPORT BAGGAGE CLAIM, not a casino.

Your kids shouldn't be exposed to that kind of stuff and for their sake I hope you don't expose them to the kind of hatred you spew on these boards either.

I know there are thousands of great God-fearing, law-abiding patriotic Americans in both cities, but they must have to little or no influence in how the rest of the country views their hometown.

Are those the only type of good people or something?

This is not just a domestic issue. I was in a guard tower in Haiti in 1994 across from a Bengladeshi soldier. I asked him what comes to mind when he thinks of America. This Muslim soldier laughed out loud and retorted, "that's easy! Free sex!"

GoChiefs disagrees.

That might pass for smutty, sophomoric humor among the immature who post here, but there are strategic consequences to being perceived that way.

No kidding there are consequences. So if you care so much about what the rest of the world thinks, why the hell would you support the 'War' on Terror?

KCJohnny

12-22-2007, 04:40 PM

No kidding there are consequences. So if you care so much about what the rest of the world thinks, why the hell would you support the 'War' on Terror?

I have demonstrated my patriotism by my service to our country.

penchief

12-22-2007, 04:56 PM

Considering that the obstructionist republicans in congress have already broken the record for using the filibuster halfway through this senate's term, it's pretty hard to criticize the democratics for republicans being such huge hypocrites.

The democrats have been inexcusably impotent in ending the Iraq occupation. However, they have passed some meaningful and practical domestic legislation that is relevant (i.e. minimum wage, CAFE standards, etc).

penchief

12-22-2007, 05:01 PM

I have demonstrated my patriotism by my service to our country.

Me, too?

HolmeZz

12-22-2007, 05:20 PM

I have demonstrated my patriotism by my service to our country.

Now how about you demonstrate a little humility.

Then maybe you could reply to my points correctly.

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 05:26 PM

Still, he's a turd. Feckless or "feckful."

yep

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 05:31 PM

KCJohnny,

It's interesting that the bangladeshi soldier make the "I think of free sex, when I think of America" IMO one of the biggest problems the muslim world has is they are so repressed and guilt ridden about sex they have perverted it and turned it into a deviancy. Beastality, A*al Sex, homosexuality (when the guys aren't even gay), rape. These are all signs of a sickness that pervades the muslim world.

Speaking in Des Moines, he said the gains from the increase in troop levels have done little to defuse the region's underlying conflicts.

"The surge is not the solution to Iraq's problems because it is not achieving the political accommodations and benchmarks that were the stated purpose of our troop increase," Obama said.

His comments, part of a speech on foreign policy, come at a time when military leaders and media reports indicate violence is down in Iraq. The situation is being greeted by supporters of the war as a sign that the tide is turning in favor of American interests.

Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said Iraq has distracted from the war on terrorism and the related war in Afghanistan. He proposed withdrawing troops from Iraq and increasing the military and economic commitment to Afghanistan.

"Six years after we took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan -- the origin of the 9-11 attacks -- we still don't have our priorities straight," he said.

Prior to Obama's arrival, his campaign held a policy roundtable with some of the candidate's advisers and supporters. The events were an attempt to rebut one of the greatest criticisms of Obama by his rivals, that he doesn't have enough experience on foreign policy.

Anthony Lake, former national security advisor to President Clinton, said Obama will succeed on the world stage because he is straightforward, without needless posturing.

"I think we need to return to the politics of authenticity," Lake said.

SIOUX CITY ADD: Another panelist, State Sen. Steve Warnstadt of Sioux City said Obama has the good sense to know that military force shouldn't be the first option. Warnstadt is a member of the Iowa Army National Guard.

"I need to know I have the commander-in-chief who will deploy those forces wisely," he said.

banyon

12-22-2007, 06:03 PM

Oh, and Merry Christmas to you. ;)

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 06:11 PM

My reasons against this war have little to do with a modest improvement in the # of our soldiers that are being maimed or killed daily.

I've consistently maintained that the entire fiasco is a gigantic waste of money, time, and our soldiers, for nothing that serves any vital national security interest.

I've always supported the ops in Afghanistan, because we had a good causus belli to go in, and our presence continues to make strategic sense.

Speaking in Des Moines, he said the gains from the increase in troop levels have done little to defuse the region's underlying conflicts.

"The surge is not the solution to Iraq's problems because it is not achieving the political accommodations and benchmarks that were the stated purpose of our troop increase," Obama said.

His comments, part of a speech on foreign policy, come at a time when military leaders and media reports indicate violence is down in Iraq. The situation is being greeted by supporters of the war as a sign that the tide is turning in favor of American interests.

Obama, a U.S. senator from Illinois, said Iraq has distracted from the war on terrorism and the related war in Afghanistan. He proposed withdrawing troops from Iraq and increasing the military and economic commitment to Afghanistan.

"Six years after we took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan -- the origin of the 9-11 attacks -- we still don't have our priorities straight," he said.

Prior to Obama's arrival, his campaign held a policy roundtable with some of the candidate's advisers and supporters. The events were an attempt to rebut one of the greatest criticisms of Obama by his rivals, that he doesn't have enough experience on foreign policy.

Anthony Lake, former national security advisor to President Clinton, said Obama will succeed on the world stage because he is straightforward, without needless posturing.

"I think we need to return to the politics of authenticity," Lake said.

SIOUX CITY ADD: Another panelist, State Sen. Steve Warnstadt of Sioux City said Obama has the good sense to know that military force shouldn't be the first option. Warnstadt is a member of the Iowa Army National Guard.

"I need to know I have the commander-in-chief who will deploy those forces wisely," he said.

Nice filibuster. Now go hug your kid and silently thank god for strong leadership in the White House and the guys who implement said leadership who keep you and I and our families safe.

PS - Citing Hussein Obama is not a very compelling arguement

Donger

12-22-2007, 06:15 PM

"The surge is not the solution to Iraq's problems because it is not achieving the political accommodations and benchmarks that were the stated purpose of our troop increase," Obama said.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but hasn't the result of the troop surge done exactly that?

Donger

12-22-2007, 06:18 PM

I had actually hoped that the Democrats would chose congressional leaders that had some spine and intelligence. It would have been interesting to watch.

Instead, we got these two mental midgets.

banyon

12-22-2007, 06:18 PM

Nice filibuster. Now go hug your kid and silently thank god for strong leadership in the White House and the guys who implement said leadership who keep you and I and our families safe.

PS - Citing Hussein Obama is not a very compelling arguement

Dude, I don't have kids. But I'll thank God that I live in a free society where I can vote for more competent leadership to take over on 1/20/09.

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 06:25 PM

Dude, I don't have kids. But I'll thank God that I live in a free society where I can vote for more competent leadership to take over on 1/20/09.

Who is the little girl in the pic? I thought you were implying she was yours.

I hope we get better leadership in '09 as well as I am not a fan of how Bush communicates to the public and his mishmash of bullshit. That being said behind the scenes I believe he has been a solid C+ to B- President. For the record I voted for him twice and he is no doubt superior to what Kerrey or Gore would of given us. Those two are lightweights and bullshit artists of the first order.

HolmeZz

12-22-2007, 06:28 PM

Now go hug your kid and silently thank god for strong leadership in the White House and the guys who implement said leadership who keep you and I and our families safe.

Was 9/11 a mulligan or something?

banyon

12-22-2007, 06:31 PM

Who is the little girl in the pic? I thought you were implying she was yours.

I hope we get better leadership in '09 as well as I am not a fan of how Bush communicates to the public and his mishmash of bullshit. That being said behind the scenes I believe he has been a solid C+ to B- President. For the record I voted for him twice and he is no doubt superior to what Kerrey or Gore would of given us. Those two are lightweights and bullshit artists of the first order.

She's just some girl. Who knows? I thought it was funny.

I didn't vote for Gore and voted with my nose held for Kerry, so they are no great shakes either.

I'm starting to get interested in this campaign, but if it boils down to Hillary/Giuliani or Hillary/Romney, I will vote indy yet again.

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 07:07 PM

Was 9/11 a mulligan or something?

Clinton's fault.

Donger

12-22-2007, 07:11 PM

Clinton's fault.

That's just silly. Clinton's only fault with regard to his approach of terrorism is that he didn't view it as a war, but rather a criminal matter. In retrospect, that was myopic, but I can't fault the guy too much.

And I can't stand Bill Clinton. Too much of a lawyer.

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 07:12 PM

We are grinding these SOB's into the ground. These a-holes will rue the day they fooked with the U.S. (Insert George C. Scott as Patton here. Ah yes, a little jingoism. It does a heart good)

DUBAI (Reuters) - An al Qaeda-linked group in Iraq has confirmed the death of Abu Maysara, a top operative who the U.S. military said was killed in a clash last month, according to a recording posted on the Web on Saturday.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the Islamic State in Iraq, hailed Maysara as "a martyr who was a scholar and a mujahid (holy war fighter)", on the audio tape posted on Islamist Web sites.

The U.S. military said earlier in December that Maysara, a Syrian, was among nine senior al Qaeda members killed in November. It described him as an adviser to Baghdadi, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, and his slain predecessor Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Baghdadi called on insurgents to keep fighting during the current Eid al-Adha feast, when Muslims sacrifice animals.

"May God accept your sacrifice, and may they be the apostates of the Awakening Councils, who are servants of the Crusaders," Baghdadi said, referring to U.S.-backed neighborhood patrols who fight insurgents.

An increase in U.S. troops, more efficient Iraqi security forces and neighborhood patrols organized by mainly Sunni Arab tribes have been credited for a decline in violence and a fall in civilian and U.S. military casualties in the past two months.

The tape's authenticity could not be verified but was posted on a main Islamist Web site often used by insurgent groups and the speaker sounded like earlier recordings of Baghdadi.

While the Iraq wing of al Qaeda remains at the forefront of many groups fighting U.S. forces and the Shi'ite-led government supported by Washington, its fighters have faced growing opposition in the Sunni areas of Iraq where they operate.

HolmeZz

12-22-2007, 07:20 PM

Clinton's fault.

It's not Clinton's fault and it's not even Bush's fault. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to attribute Bush's strong 'leadership' to keeping us safe, when the largest enemy attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor happened on his watch.

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 07:22 PM

It's not Clinton's fault and it's not even Bush's fault. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to attribute Bush's strong 'leadership' to keeping us safe, when the largest enemy attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor happened on his watch.

Wrong. It's also Tip O'neill, Jimmy Carter and the Church commission's fault. We de-balled the CIA starting in the 1970's. 9-11 was a direct result of not having the proper information or leadership in the White House and Congress since Vietnam. That's the truth.

banyon

12-22-2007, 07:34 PM

Wrong. It's also Tip O'neill, Jimmy Carter and the Church commission's fault. We de-balled the CIA starting in the 1970's. 9-11 was a direct result of not having the proper information or leadership in the White House and Congress since Vietnam. That's the truth.

I guess Reagan's off the hook for arming Bin Laden in the first place though, right?

ChiefaRoo

12-22-2007, 07:36 PM

I guess Reagan's off the hook for arming Bin Laden in the first place though, right?

Yep, because at the time they were fighting the greater threat, the Soviets.

banyon

12-22-2007, 07:45 PM

Yep, because at the time they were fighting the greater threat, the Soviets.

figures. I guess you think that was a great long-term strategy then?

bango

12-22-2007, 07:48 PM

Now they are fighting an even more funded and even more organized threat in Islamofascism, and drugs too.

Donger

12-22-2007, 08:00 PM

I guess Reagan's off the hook for arming Bin Laden in the first place though, right?

Yes, there's that two-variable logic that got us embroiled in every petty third world skirmish across the globe, installing petty dictators wherever we went.

Donger

12-22-2007, 08:26 PM

Yes, there's that two-variable logic that got us embroiled in every petty third world skirmish across the globe, installing petty dictators wherever we went.

The world's an imperfect place, banyon. I doubt that Reagan would have supported bin Laden if he'd have known he'd end up being a killer of Americans. Since he didn't have a crystal ball...

Clinton DID know that bin Laden was a threat and had killed Americans.

I don't blame Clinton for 9/11, no more than I blame Bush. I blame bin Laden.

But, to compare Reagan's support of the mujahideen to Clinton's lack of action is stupid.

KCJohnny

12-22-2007, 09:19 PM

It's not Clinton's fault and it's not even Bush's fault. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to attribute Bush's strong 'leadership' to keeping us safe, when the largest enemy attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor happened on his watch.
:shake:

Bush has had to fight terror abroad and the democrats here who tried to dismantle our surveillance architecture.

Without the vigilance of the Bush administration, we would have been attacked at least a dozen times more. The attack you refer to was planned years in advance.

HolmeZz

12-22-2007, 10:10 PM

:shake:

Bush has had to fight terror abroad and the democrats here who tried to dismantle our surveillance architecture.

Without the vigilance of the Bush administration, we would have been attacked at least a dozen times more. The attack you refer to was planned years in advance.

Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?

stevieray

12-23-2007, 08:53 AM

Were you born stupid or did you have to work at it?

were you born gay, or did you have to work at it?

stevieray

12-23-2007, 08:57 AM

Clinton viewed it as criminal, and not as a war? That's interesting considering Bin Laden declared a jihad agianst the US during Clinton's watch....oh wait, Clinton had a habit of viewing things differently than they really were.

Thank God the attack in 93 didn't bring down the tower, or there is no telling how many thousands would've died.

HolmeZz

12-23-2007, 10:24 AM

were you born gay, or did you have to work at it?

Looks like we've got another contender for Grand Marshal of the Stupid Brigade!

The Mad Crapper

02-23-2010, 01:23 PM

Is the war over? Did we lose?

Taco John

02-23-2010, 01:52 PM

lets do the time warp again

HonestChieffan

02-23-2010, 05:20 PM

Come on Harry's the man. He also says unemployment makes all men wife beaters.

The Mad Crapper

02-24-2010, 12:21 PM

Come on Harry's the man. He also says unemployment makes all men wife beaters.