I picked these up last weekend. I was told they were pilots wings. Have no way to post picture, so here is description
Appr 3 inches long,Blue felt backing,white embrodered wings with yellow wreath in center with gold star in center of wreath,white sewn bar under that and smaller yellow bar under that.
If it is a pilots badge,what is appr value??

Hmm... This is indeed interesting! As far as my research has taken me (from several sources), this would be an example of a pair of Imperial Japanese Army pilot wings, of the type worn by pilot cadets and officers. However, there were pilot badges indicating meritorious flying skills that were issued by the flying schools - but far from every pilot received these badges (an oval metal badge with a star in the middle, from which rays emanated, and having a horisontal propellor at its base).

From what I have learned, the way to indicate "air force" personnel (e.g. air crew, pilots, ground crew), was the light blue colour backing to rank insignia and uniform collars, etc.

Eric; Where can I find this information about these wings designated as being air crew wings? And what did, according to these sources, the actual pilot badge look like? How to explain the insignia previously indicated to be the observer wings (also a woven patch, but with an eagle design)?

That is the badge I was referring to...! The reason I ask is that I have read (in the accounts of a Japanese pilot) that the "pilots wing" - one like Odell's wing - was worn by the cadets and later pilot officers. That this should be a pilots wing is also indicated by Tod Rathbone (a well-known collector) in his web page, and described as such by Russ Huff (in his "Wings of World War II", pp. 104-107), where he also indicates another source of information regarding Imperial Japanese uniforms and insignia. Furthermore, Huff describes the metal badge as a graduation badge given to top students for proficiency in training, only given to the top 2-3 in a class of 200. So, this is why I am eager to find more references regarding Japanese WWII flight badges and insignia...!
Anyone...?
KR
Mike G

Question 1: Where can I find this information about these wings designated as being air crew wings?

Answer 1: I am not aware of any reference books that lists these wings as air crewman's wings per se. However...

Item 7, of Plate 213, on page 84 of Imperial Japanese Army and Navy Uniforms & Equipment by Tadao Nakata lists the wings as "Army Flight Breast Badges." The English language summary sheet that accompanies this book list Plate 213 as being "Embroidered army and navy badges and shoulder distinctions" which isn't a whole lot of help.

Note: Plate 406 on page 126 of Imperial Japanese Army and Navy Uniforms & Equipment shows another set of wings that are listed as "Special Flight Breast Badge." These wings are similar to the ones shown on page 84 Item 7.

On page 34 of Japanese Military Uniforms 1930-1945 by Ritta Nakanishi, there is a set of wings that are also listed as being "Flight Breast Badges." (The English translation below the wings states "Air man breast badge.")

On pages 40 and 41 of A Companion To Wings of World War II by Russell J. Huff, the set of wings posted in this thread are listed as being for "A Pilot Officer."

Since these wings are fairly common, consensus amongst collectors is that these wings are flight service wings that were worn be both pilot's as well as air crewmen. The variation of wings shown here in this thread are believed to be for an officer because of the separate, stand-alone, raised brass five-pointed star insignia in the center of the badge. An earlier version of this same badge (i.e., a set of wings with a separate, stand-alone, raised brass five-pointed star insignia) has bullion embroidered wings and wreath are also believe to be for officer's. The machine sewn or woven ones are believed to be for enlisted men.

Question 2: And what did, according to these sources, the actual pilot badge look like?

Answer 2: Here is where stuff gets confusing.

Items 9 & 10 of Plate 213 on page 84 of Imperial Japanese Army and Navy Uniforms & Equipment by Tadao Nakata lists the pair of wings as "Air Service Person's Badges."

On page 34 of Japanese Military Uniforms 1930-1945 by Ritta Nakanishi, these same set of wings are also listed as "Air Service Person's Badges." (The English translation below the wings states "Air man badge.")

On pages 40 and 41 of A Companion To Wings of World War II by Russell J. Huff, there are two set of wings listed, one set is listed as a "Army Observer [with] Gold Bullion on Blue" badge and the other as "A Silk, Summer E[nlisted]M[an's] Observer" badge.

Consensus amongst collectors is that the above mentioned badges are "Army Pilot Badges" and that a pilot could wear this badge (i.e., the "Army Pilot's Badge") in addition to the "Army Flight Breast Badge."

Question 3: How to explain the insignia previously indicated to be the observer wings (also a woven patch, but with an eagle design)?

Answer 3: Hopefully, someone will be able to find a period Japanese manual that shows, and explains, the differences between the "Air Service Person's Badge/Army Pilot's Badge" and the "Army Observer's Badge."

Hmm... This is indeed interesting! As far as my research has taken me (from several sources), this would be an example of a pair of Imperial Japanese Army pilot wings, of the type worn by pilot cadets and officers. However, there were pilot badges indicating meritorious flying skills that were issued by the flying schools - but far from every pilot received these badges (an oval metal badge with a star in the middle, from which rays emanated, and having a horisontal propellor at its base).

From what I have learned, the way to indicate "air force" personnel (e.g. air crew, pilots, ground crew), was the light blue colour backing to rank insignia and uniform collars, etc.

Eric; Where can I find this information about these wings designated as being air crew wings? And what did, according to these sources, the actual pilot badge look like? How to explain the insignia previously indicated to be the observer wings (also a woven patch, but with an eagle design)?