Bay Confirmed Transformers 4 - Preliminary Release June 29th, 2014!

Speculation over! After today's announcement, Michael Bay has confirmed the rumors by posting a news article on his own site. He will be returning for Transformers 4 after signing a deal with Paramount Pictures for 2 movies. Not 2 Transformers films however. He will finish his work on Pain and Gain starring Mark Wahlberg and Dwayne Johnson first, and then begin his work on the next installment of the Transformers Movie.

Same producers.Same director.Shia does NOT want to come back (though, he may change his mind after hearing this news).It'll be 50/50 sequel and reboot. (Some characters will stay, others will be new and the whole thing "refreshed")Same year as the anniversary.

Well, now we know what Hasbro was talking about when they said they had big plans for 2014.

Well... I'm not happy about this, but every cloud has a silver lining. For instance, the world may end in 2012 and I'll never have to actually deal with the horrid reality that Bay is still making movies.

Thank you for making me feel I'm not alone! Yeah I think 3 chapters is enough to have to hear Shia LaDouche scream like a p*ssy so please kill his character's ass off. Hopefully 2014 should give enough time for a decent story and better portrayal of characters not having them act like a bunch of gundam clowns...'nuff said!

Y'know what? F**k it. You guys can take it. Obviously there's no reasoning with anyone who had already been a Michael Bay fan, but maybe a quadrillogy of the same junk food films will finally leave a bad enough taste in people's mouths for them to see the series as little more than a bad memory. Probably not, you people worship Hasbro like toy gods so it's unlikely.

The majority of the profits come from ticket sales, toys from the movies shelf warm for months or years on end, Transformers Prime is mediocre as all hell and is not a worthy replacement for Animated, the aesthetics of the movies have infected the comics and toylines, Bumblebee may never talk again. Yeah, outside of the quantity of figure molds we've been getting, nothing about the movies pleases me. The distribution for most of the new molds has been crap because of all the damn movie toys anyway.

The worst part is that I simply think it's too soon. And in fairness Bay has already done a full trilogy, this should really have been put to bed. If I couldn't call it "milking it" already, now I can.

Vicalliose wrote:Y'know what? F**k it. You guys can take it. Obviously there's no reasoning with anyone who had already been a Michael Bay fan, but maybe a quadrillogy of the same junk food films will finally leave a bad enough taste in people's mouths for them to see the series as little more than a bad memory. Probably not, you people worship Hasbro like toy gods so it's unlikely.

The majority of the profits come from ticket sales, toys from the movies shelf warm for months or years on end, Transformers Prime is mediocre as all hell and is not a worthy replacement for Animated, the aesthetics of the movies have infected the comics and toylines, Bumblebee may never talk again. Yeah, outside of the quantity of figure molds we've been getting, nothing about the movies pleases me. The distribution for most of the new molds has been crap because of all the damn movie toys anyway.

The worst part is that I simply think it's too soon. And in fairness Bay has already done a full trilogy, this should really have been put to bed. If I couldn't call it "milking it" already, now I can.

I shall follow the same game plan for this as I have for all the other Bay TF movies1) Don't get hyped up, or pissed off at whatever I hear - keep expectations neutral2) See the movie in theaters3) Only but the fraction of figures that will go ok on my Classicverse shelves.

Vicalliose wrote:Y'know what? F**k it. You guys can take it. Obviously there's no reasoning with anyone who had already been a Michael Bay fan, but maybe a quadrillogy of the same junk food films will finally leave a bad enough taste in people's mouths for them to see the series as little more than a bad memory. Probably not, you people worship Hasbro like toy gods so it's unlikely.

The majority of the profits come from ticket sales, toys from the movies shelf warm for months or years on end, Transformers Prime is mediocre as all hell and is not a worthy replacement for Animated, the aesthetics of the movies have infected the comics and toylines, Bumblebee may never talk again. Yeah, outside of the quantity of figure molds we've been getting, nothing about the movies pleases me. The distribution for most of the new molds has been crap because of all the damn movie toys anyway.

The worst part is that I simply think it's too soon. And in fairness Bay has already done a full trilogy, this should really have been put to bed. If I couldn't call it "milking it" already, now I can.

That sums up what I think, except I didn't care much for the Animated series either.

I don't HATE the movies completely (except the second one), but a competent director and some competent writers can take almost any concept and make it into a multi-layered, enjoyable and brilliant movie that can really give characterization instead of the B.S. stereotypes and horrible dialogue everyone has resigned to. The more you accept this kind of garbage, the more you will get this kind of garbage.

Vicalliose wrote:Transformers Prime is mediocre as all hell and is not a worthy replacement for Animated,

How could you even say that? You would have me think that a show with great plot lines and story arcs, well-designed characters with interesting backstories, and both Peter Cullen AND Frank Welker, is worse than a crap fest with poorly drawn characters, Optimus and Starscream with chin tumors, and some goofy subplot with an annoying human who turns out to be a twice as annoying android?

My only hope, only hope....is that shia labouf is done and they get a decent, charismatic actor to focus the story on. Cause if half the movie is going to be a human, at least get one that can read their lines.

Autobot032 wrote:Well, it was inevitable. It was merely a matter of time before it was officially announced.

Now, we have that announcement.

That, coupled with the anniversary, makes me wonder if Hasbro really DOES have something BIG planned.

Yeah. And here I had actually held out hope that a proper 30th anniversary line would be what they meant. Reissues of hard to find figures, new versions of weird stuff like Breast Force or Transforming Pretender shells, and actual Minerva...

Who knows. Maybe we'll get lucky and Hasbro will spoil the fans; but I doubt it.

To clarify uninformed reports coming out of Toy Fair - Steven Spielberg and I are working on a whole new re imagining of Transformers, the fourth installment. We have been working on the idea for a few months. I'm excited about where it's headed. But first I'm doing a small $20 million dollar edgy black comedy of a true crime story set in Miami called "Pain and Gain," staring Mark Wahlberg and Dwanye Johnson, and very close to signing on a couple other great actors. I'm extremely excited to simplify my film career this spring with a great character piece.

That starts filming at the end of March. I might then jump onto a very cool television show my company Platinum Dunes is selling to a major cable network. It might be my first pilot I might potentially direct. We are still working out the details of the deal.

FIRST UP FOR THE PROLIFIC FILMMAKER IS “PAIN AND GAIN” STARRING MARK WAHLBERG AND DWAYNE “THE ROCK” JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY A NEW INSTALLMENT IN THE HUGELY POPULAR “TRANSFORMERS ” FRANCHISE, TO BE RELEASED ON JUNE 29TH, 2014

HOLLYWOOD, CA (February 13, 2012) – Paramount Pictures announced today that director Michael Bay has signed a two-picture deal with the studio, which will commence this spring with the filming of “Pain and Gain,” and will be followed by the next installment in the hit “Transformers” franchise.

Based on a true story, “Pain and Gain” follows a group of bodybuilders who engaged in a campaign of kidnapping, extortion and murder in Florida. First told in an article from the Miami New Times, “Pain and Gain,” will be directed by Bay and will star Mark Wahlberg and Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson. Expected to begin production in early spring, the movie’s producers include Bay, Donald De Line and Ian Bryce.

Following “Pain and Gain,” Bay will bring audiences a new take on the “Transformers” franchise as he begins production on the fourth installment in the hit series of movies based on the best-selling Hasbro toyline. The third, and most recent installment of the franchise, “Transformers: Dark of the Moon,” is the fourth highest global grossing film of all time with 1.24 billion dollars of worldwide box office success. Directed by Bay, the movie will re-unite the filmmaking team from the hit franchise, including producers Lorenzo di Bonaventura, Don Murphy, Tom DeSanto and Ian Bryce; and executive producers Steven Spielberg, Bay, Brian Goldner and Mark Vahradian. Paramount Pictures will release the film on June 29th, 2014.

“Michael has been working on PAIN AND GAIN for a number of years but has patiently waited for the perfect casting to trigger a start," said Adam Goodman, President of Paramount’s Film Group. "Clearly his patience has paid off as we couldn't be more excited about this combo. His passion for this project is just awesome."

A re-imagining...? I dunno what to expect from that o.O...But in any case I will keep myself neutral on what to expect from TF4. 2 years is a long time ~_~...By that time I probably will get re-excited about it but for now...Meh~

I don't like the idea of a reboot, it's too soon for that. Maybe take it in a different direction, but in the same continuity. Like focusing on a different group of Autobots on another planet, or possibly a prequel set on Cybertron. For the love of Primus don't title it Trans4mers.

I'm worried about the "reimagining", when it's supposed to be in the same universe/continuity.

I don't even know how you'd make that work unless they do a time travel thing. If the critics complained about ROTF and DOTM on the silly factor, then time travel will just give them HUGE ammunition to go after the film.

I'm not sure it could be handled correctly, by him.I like Bay, I do, but those complexities aren't something you can film on a blink and you miss it kinda style.

People will be like "Wait. Wasn't he just..." and "Where are they now?!" Even if the writing would be solid, the visuals have to help sell it.

Skywarp64 wrote:You would have me think that a show with great plot lines and story arcs

Yeah, virtually nothing of major interest happened until the end of the first season, Optimus is basically what I would call a "stereotypical Optimus", Bulkhead is no different or more established than his original character so whatever, Bumblebee is straight up screwed from the get go, Arcee is somewhat interesting but like the other characters she has an unreasonable attachment to her human partner, and the human characters still have NO good reason to be there. Megatron, oh primus, he's nothing more than a mad overlord, not cold or calculating, just another stereotypical villain throwing his weight around. He's basically more like Galvatron.

Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever, that's fanfiction level of writing. Even going so far as to say "dark energon is the blood of Unicron". Yeah it's a good plot alright.

Skywarp64 wrote:and both Peter Cullen AND Frank Welker

I'm tired of Peter Cullen. "OFMG WHAT THE HELL S WRONG WIT U UR NOT TRU TRANSFORMER FAN!!!!!1111!one!!" Yeah he's kinda lost "the touch" in his Prime voice. Just doesn't sound natural anymore. As for Welker... well I just don't like the character he's portraying anyway.

Skywarp64 wrote:Optimus and Starscream with chin tumors

Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

Skywarp64 wrote:and some goofy subplot with an annoying human who turns out to be a twice as annoying android?

Uh, goofy? Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense? Please. At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.

griftimus prime wrote:i am all for a reboot. been waiting since the first movie. but bay and steven again? this is the worst idea since beast machines.

Beast Machines wasn't THAT bad. Still I agree. I've been waiting for a reboot since the first movie myself, and with Bay still on board, I'm afraid it will be at least three more movies before there's a chance of seeing an actual Transformers movie made.

Michal Bay wrote:I'm extremely excited to simplify my film career this spring with a great character piece.

LOL! He can't do a character based movie. He's proven that. The idea of him even trying is and imagining he'd be successful is simply hilarious.

Since the initial disappointment of DOTM and overall trilogy story, I've decided to open up my mind. And actually, believe it or not. My criticism of DOTM ruined the movie experience. I didn't enjoy it. So I've since forgiven Bay, and started liking the movies, with all their flaws. TF has always been Hasbro's, and they know what they're doing. They have costs, etc. So I'm going to switch off criticism , so that I don't hurt myself in the process. I say bring whatever you have BAY/ other director. Tf has since entered the public domain, and I intend to embrace it. In reality Bay's movies were what breathed life into it, and we are really thankful.

It doesn't matter what I want for the 4th movie. I'm sure it will surprise me either way. I would want to see more bots, more cons.

Unless Tf 4 is a g1 reboot, then It will be something.

Figures, we'll see, I'm more interested in FOC and TF Prime. 2014 is a long ways away.

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off. They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning. Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

"re imagining of Transformers" it doesnt matter how you package it as long as bay and the same morons are attached its still going to be more of the same crap, either completely hand it over to Spielberg and see what he can do on his own or give it to a totally new crew. This franchise needs a reboot fast and Bay and the boys cant pull it off. They need to get rid of bayformers and anything remotely resembling it (tfprime) and start brand new, new crew new ideas new beginning. Maybe actually hire some people who have been fans since the 80s and 90s so there are people that know the franchise and didnt just google it.

Hate to say this but if they make a movie resembles G1 and it's design....Let's just say it will have worser reception than ROTF. I'm just saying alot of people(The "normal" ones who dont care much about transformers) would hate it. And let's face it guys...Us fans vs the regular crowd? That's like 10 million vs 1 billion people...It's the truth wether you like it or not...

Just saying that if M.Bay(Or another director) wants the target audience to be us fans? The movie would have so little profit,I dont think it's even going to go into the "Top 10 movies of the year"...

Now I have been reading these pages long enough and I just finally wanted to spill my beans so to speak.

I just hate this. Yeah...that's right. I guess I am a Michael Böy hater. I don't like any of his movies now that I think of it, and unfortunaltely I don't really like his TF movies either. They could have been better, but no. And what comes to his latest comments about TF3 and problems with 3d, he kind of feels a douchebag as well. Nothing is ever his fault, but someone elses and He surely know what he is doing, for HE is the man. Sound like narsistic behaviour to me. Oh, I just wanted to clarify this, so that none of you super fanboys need to remind me of this. I like the idea of Transformers, but too bad that what comes to the movies, I'm stucked with Bay

And I'm also WELL aware that this is not G1. Yes, I got that, but doesn't make these movies any better. It doesn't matter what they are. Desings are quite awful all the way, the script horrible and actors do a lame job, not to mention Michaela Båys methotd to direct things so that it makes me feel ill. And that humor...no...please..no. Maybe those G1 cartoons were not that great, but these aren't great either.

Look, Idon't want to attack agains you fans as persons, but I also hate when people, who don't even know me, are trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong and I don't understand. That I should be crateful for movies like these and I should be happy with this sh*t Michale Bor is offering me. Well, as a paying customer, I say no. No I shouldn't. I was hoping to get something else. better movies with better acting, script and robots. Ok, the first movie wasn't that awful, but the rest are. I admit that I was fooled to see the third one. Yes, Im can only blame myself for that. But no more! No more of this dogshait! I mean..look. We are the one who make these things work. We are the paying customers and as one of those customers, I have every right to say that I'm not happy about this. It's also guite alarming that this movie consept is starting to poison other products as well. I mean look at the latest FOC Bruticus...just awful

And please, don't come to bring me any numbers that actually doesn't tell if some movie is actually good or not. Like I said, I was foolish enough to see the third one after the horrible secon movie. But can I get my money back? I don't think so. So when you think all those box office numbers, bear in mind that there as also some x amounth of money that belong to people like me, who payed to see but in the end didn't (more or less) like the movie. And one other thing is this small thingy called the inflation. For most of you most likely remember how movie tickets in the early 2000 weren't as expencive as nowadays. A simple example: Movie A was released in 2003 and lets say that a ticket was worth 5 dollars. 1000 people saw the movie, so it made 5000 dollars. Movie B was released 2011 and because of fancy 3D and inflation the price for a ticket was now 7 dollars. Now only 750 people went to see this one, but still it collected 5250 dollars. So if we just compare these different numbers (and from different era), can we say that movie B was better? Or maybe it was, but 2011 just wasn't the right time for..I don't know...My Little Pony movie. Simplified example, but like I said; those box office numbers aren't always the best way to compare movies or to say, how good something is. And lets not forget how clever marketing can make something look more desirable than it actually is.

And since here are actually some persons (at leats one that I know) who doesn't like when movies have a plot, good acting, not just paper thin characters and some other silly stuff. I got only one message for you; I don't want to talk about Movies with you, for it is a waste of my and your time.

They are just movies, I know. But now that Bay and the rest are making another TF movie(s), I just feel sad. I hoped to see something fresh and new. But no. It is also a great mystery to me how a quack like Bay can be so freaking popular. Maybe he has a cleaver marketing team or something and big names behind him. I Don't know. I just don't believe this crap anymore.

PS. One more thing. No, you don't have to be a moviemaker to say if you like some movie or not. We all can make our own decisions about things like this. And like I said; as customers who pay, it's our right as well. I'm just saying this for that happens to be a favourite argument that some people here use; "dude, you are not director like bay is...lololololo". Don't use it, please.

PSS. You know there are more directors in a world than just Boll and Bay. I case you would like to ask, if a guy like Boll would be a better choice to do these, or would I rather see him doing these. I don't want to see either of them.

First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you. Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the fuck out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

A "re-imagining"? A reboot of the film continuity is pointless without a new director. I stuck it out through the trilogy, but TF4 will have to do some things significantly different in order to get my attention. For now, color me unimpressed.

No pay to no gay!!!When (hopefully "if", of course) new film comes out - just download it, if you wish to look at, but dont go movie, and no buy the dvds.Just to make sure, that Bay dont get a bad idea, about how we are liked to be raped.

I did not want to post a long narrative but I have been a fan since 84 and moved away from the franchise as I got older. I got back into it when I discover alternators while shopping for toys for my son, being a big car enthusiast that line pulled me back in and my collection grew with alternators and masterpiece.

The first movie was not bad, but still had a ton of opportunity, I was hoping for more in the second installment, but left the theater saying what the @#$& was that. By the third movie I did not even go to the theater. I still have not sat down and watched the whole movie, I have only seen parts of it. What I have seen has all been really bad and really centered on people with the Cybertronians being secondary props (I saw the Starscream death scene)enough said. I would really love to see something different, WFC was fresh and new and I like the creativity.It seems like at least one third of the fan base (look at the post around here) is unhappy with the movie fiction. A reboot with Spielberg at the helm would at least been a step in the right direction (at least he is a fan of the franchise).

[quote "Vicalliose"]Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever[/quote]Eh, I was pretty impressed.[quote "Vicalliose"]I'm tired of Peter Cullen.[/quote]How could you be tired of him if he's hardly been in any of them? Think back.

Vicalliose wrote:Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

I'd like to get used to it. I really would. But those chin tumors are simply unforgivable, especially coupled with Prime's teenager voice. Why is the leader of the Autobots 19?

Vicalliose wrote:Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense?

Would YOU pass up the chance to hang out with giant robots? Yeah, didn't think so.[quote "Vicalliose"] At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.[/quote]These humans are perceived by the Decepticons as Autobot allies. If they left Autobot protection, they'd be in danger.

[quote "Vicalliose"] So Sari is annoying?[/quote]Yes. At least Miko's voice is bearable. And at least there are two non-annoying humans to balance with that one.

Have no idea why, but I couldn't get some of these quotes to work properly.

freetouch wrote:First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you. Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the **** out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

You just can't resist starting a fight huh? Well ok. First of all; I think my Opinion is as valid as yours and I have every right to say what I think about Bay and his movies. After all this is my first post about this matter, so its not like I'm complaining about this in every topic. It's funny how everting what we who don't like the movie say is always ludicrious, hilarious etc. Why don't you smell your own thoughts for once. If you like his movies, fine. Don't expect that all share your taste.

Besides frack...for some of you Bay really seems to be next to God and Santa. He is not doing this for charity you know. He most likely won't care what we think of him, so you don't really have to defend him so hard. And I called him a douchebag, for some of his latest comments have been less nice and when I have listened his comments about his movies, he always seems a bit smug to me. But hey, I didn't know he's your dad. Sorry

freetouch wrote:First of all... you people are utterly hilarious. Its like you are all sleeper agents, and then someone says your key word "Michael Bay" and you turn into a frothing sea of anger and ludicrous statements. I knew there was a reason why I lurked/joined seibertron. Thank you. Secondly, I will go and see the movie in 3D and buy the Bluray and enjoy the **** out of it because I am a fan of transformers, and more so, a fan of cars and planes that transform into big robots.Thirdly, bitch all you want, the majority of you will go see it, So see you there fellas.

Transformers 4: Energon

I will buy the figures also, because they are neato-squeeto.

on a serious note, a reboot so soon is insane. but the "re-imagining" has to be done considering they killed all the decepticons.

You just can't resist starting a fight huh? Well ok. First of all; I think my Opinion is as valid as yours and I have every right to say what I think about Bay and his movies. After all this is my first post about this matter, so its not like I'm complaining about this in every topic. It's funny how everting what we who don't like the movie say is always ludicrious, hilarious etc. Why don't you smell your own thoughts for once. If you like his movies, fine. Don't expect that all share your taste.

Besides frack...for some of you Bay really seems to be next to God and Santa. He is not doing this for charity you know. He most likely won't care what we think of him, so you don't really have to defend him so hard. And I called him a douchebag, for some of his latest comments have been less nice and when I have listened his comments about his movies, he always seems a bit smug to me. But hey, I didn't know he's your dad. Sorry

lol... look, i'm pretty new here myself, but from two posts, you seem a little angry. I didnt even realize you said anything... to the point I just had to go back and read through again to find your post. I wasn't responding to you, I was just generalizing.So to put it bluntly, I don't care about your opinion. I was making a generalized statement that whenever bay's name is mentioned a lot of people get their panties in a bunch.

Now, for the ludicrous statement thing... my point is proven with your last paragraph... Comparing him to God or santa, my father... just.. that whole thing. But I suppose its just you getting upset for the wrong reasons. Whatevs bra, if it was a mistake, cool, if you are going to be certifiable every time you post, that would be awesome too, either way, hi, welcome to seibertron.

Skywarp64 wrote:How could you be tired of him if he's hardly been in any of them? Think back.

Forgot I mentioned it was because he lost "the touch"? I've grown more fond of the other Prime performances at this point. He's only here because he's Peter Cullen.

Skywarp64 wrote:I'd like to get used to it. I really would. But those chin tumors are simply unforgivable, especially coupled with Prime's teenager voice. Why is the leader of the Autobots 19?

You never even watched the show. Not a single episode. Or else you'd understand how ignorant that statement was.

Skywarp64 wrote:Would YOU pass up the chance to hang out with giant robots? Yeah, didn't think so.

Good God you completely missed the point. The kids should be in witness protection, no question. They serve no special purpose, except for helping out when the Autobots suddenly become inept at things they would have dealt with on a regular basis before coming to earth. Sari was directly connected to the AllSpark Key, a baffling fact which made it a higher priority for the Autobots to keep her around in TFA.

Skywarp64 wrote:These humans are perceived by the Decepticons as Autobot allies. If they left Autobot protection, they'd be in danger.

Again these kids should be in witness protection. If not that, then they should be at the Autobot base at all times. Also it is the Autobot's fault for allowing the kids to know where the base was in the first place. They put them in danger and continue do so almost every episode.

Skywarp64 wrote:Yes. At least Miko's voice is bearable. And at least there are two non-annoying humans to balance with that one.

Completely opinion. I think both of them sound annoying. I just got used to Sari, it's no doubt the same for Miko in your case.

Skywarp64 wrote:Have no idea why, but I couldn't get some of these quotes to work properly.

You left out the "=" sign.

Did I mention that agent Fowler does things that do not make sense either? Like showing up in person all the time instead of just contacting them, or perhaps the fact that he's a federal agent who keeps dirtying his hands? Why in the hell was he flying a jet in one episode, worse why did he not have a flight-suit on? He is a federal agent, not a green beret.

Skywarp64 wrote:You would have me think that a show with great plot lines and story arcs

Yeah, virtually nothing of major interest happened until the end of the first season, Optimus is basically what I would call a "stereotypical Optimus", Bulkhead is no different or more established than his original character so whatever, Bumblebee is straight up screwed from the get go, Arcee is somewhat interesting but like the other characters she has an unreasonable attachment to her human partner, and the human characters still have NO good reason to be there. Megatron, oh primus, he's nothing more than a mad overlord, not cold or calculating, just another stereotypical villain throwing his weight around. He's basically more like Galvatron.

Oh and Unicron in the center of the Earth? That's not clever, that's fanfiction level of writing. Even going so far as to say "dark energon is the blood of Unicron". Yeah it's a good plot alright.

Skywarp64 wrote:and both Peter Cullen AND Frank Welker

I'm tired of Peter Cullen. "OFMG WHAT THE HELL S WRONG WIT U UR NOT TRU TRANSFORMER FAN!!!!!1111!one!!" Yeah he's kinda lost "the touch" in his Prime voice. Just doesn't sound natural anymore. As for Welker... well I just don't like the character he's portraying anyway.

Skywarp64 wrote:Optimus and Starscream with chin tumors

Took me a while to get used to the animation. You're clearly not even as open minded as I am.

Skywarp64 wrote:and some goofy subplot with an annoying human who turns out to be a twice as annoying android?

Uh, goofy? Yeah ok, so the presence of human characters in TFPrime makes sense? Please. At least they gave a reason for why Sari stuck around.

Also.So Sari is annoying?

I hate to admit it seeing as I am a fan of PRIME, but Vicalliose does raise some vaild points. I do however disagree with regards Cullen's voice; Megatron's personality (I think he's a properly cold mutha trucker); Welker's presentation of him; and the idea of Unicron being encased as the centre of the Earth (a welcome new take on the character and a bold move locking him away so early on).

Especially agree on the humans included in PRIME. Raff I can tolerate because he kinda keeps to himself, but the rest of them just do the same annoying things every episode. They act like they've been pre-programmed more than the giant robots.

I want the Rock to be in it. Ahahaha, he can even be Cliffjumper too, if not a human character.

I'm just going to laugh at this point and enjoy whatever gets thrown out there. Like others, I'm also expecting at least part reboot though. If not, then I guess Unicron's just gonna have to fix all the Decepticons and send them after the Matrix. Wait. I could totally see that being the plot for the next film. Alright. I guess it's possible.

Oh well, I still have to make Crankcase before I worry about running out of costumes to make, so I'm not even too concerned about the designs. I hope Bumblebee goes away though, especially if Sam does (which I hope even more that he does, or at least we skip ahead to where he's "grown up" IE is more of a mentor / leader character like Lennox than the weird "identifiable" main kid character who has issues more pressing than NBE relations). He could show up at the big fight for 5/16 of a second possibly being horribly damaged within that timeframe and leading us to speculate whether he actually dead or not, but either way never to be heard from again. Or, you know, just not show up at all. I'm cool with either.