Sunday, May 17, 2009

Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews, anti-Semitism and Jews.

Not always, but more often than not, I am hounded as a Jew and as "disloyal" and told to leave Canada. Like this. Or like this. Or like this.

That last link above gifting us with Ti-Guy writing:

It's very rare that I am moved to think "go back to where you came from," but in Shlemazl's case, that's the reaction I quite often have. He's been holding all Canadians responsible for the trauma that was inflicted on him growing up in some god-forsaken place in the Urals and has been using the Israel/Palestine conflict to keep that wound festering. He's managed to introduce a viciously racist quality into the discussion of that conflict that never really characterised the debate among most Canadians (who've been forced to pay attention to that never-ending tribal squabble for decades) all that much.

It's an imposition and it's insulting, quite frankly.

Which, to be honest, I find a perfectly reasonable position. If shlemazl wants to whine on and on and on and on and on and Jesus, Mary, Mother of God, tiresomely, tediously on about Canadian anti-Semitism, what's wrong with suggesting that he drag his sorry ass to Israel, join the military and put all that blogging energy to work physically defending the Motherland from eight-year-olds with rocks? In what way is that any different from the years of, "You like communism so much, why don't you move to Russia? Huh? Huh?"

I don't see a problem here, shlemazl. Given your incessant snivelling, you have my blessing to pack up your shit, get on a plane and go put your money where your mouth is. What's so offensive about that?

And shlemazl gets just a wee bit panty-bunchy here:

To be fair, there was one exception. A bit of a fuss ensued following this comment partly due to implied support for the objectives of the Nazis, which is still a taboo even among Left2 but largely due to a newspaper article which quoted this as an example of where the NDP is moving to.

That link gives us Robert McClelland:

When the State starts rounding up my Jewish neighbours, I’ll speak up.

Not me. People like Klownsella, Chernyuk and Smeagol the Jew have taught me it’s not worth getting involved. When next they come for the Jews I doubt I’ll even be able to muster up a “what a shame”.

Probably not the best choice of words, but not hard to see where that's coming from, given the incessant shrieking from the pro-Israel lobby that everything is anti-Semitism, as Haroon Siddiqui explains here. Personally, I'm pretty much fed up with every single criticism or condemnation of Israel being immediately slapped with a label of "anti-Semitism," and it's why I've gotten to the point where each new accusation barely registers on my radar anymore. When you hear that shrieking at least once a day, after a while, you just stop listening, especially when every time you do check out the shrieking, it turns out to be utter shash. After a while, you just get tired of being suckered.

Oh, and there's this from shlemazl:

Is it beginning to sound a little bit familiar? Let me provide another illustration of what I am referring to. In the post entitled "Stephen Harper: Good Little Jew Boy" - apart from the racially provocative choice of words (how about calling the US President "Good Little Nigger"?) Canadian Cynic claims that the Prime Minister of Canada jumps whenever "Jewry" tells him to.

See Haroon Siddiqui link above. But what's absolutely fascinating is what's not in shlemazl's latest shrieky piece -- there's not a single mention of the raging neo-Nazi sentiments of shlemazl's Blogging Tory comrade Kate McMillan and other Canadian wankers. One scans shlemazl's latest piece in vain for any mention of Kate McMillan, or Canadian Sentinel, or Jessica Beaumont. How ... odd. Which makes my original accusation all the funnier and more poignant:

North American Jewry is unable to recognize actual anti-Semitism because they're too busy spooning intimately with it.

And, hilariously, shlemazl provides the perfect evidence for just that, yapping on about anti-Semitism over there while it's currently plopped down right in the middle of his Blogging Tory aggregator living room. Then there's shlemazl's money quote:

There are anti-Semites on the right and on the left. The difference is that mainstream Canadian right do not tolerate anti-Semitism.

I'm going to stop now, since I really don't want to chance getting any of that stupid on me. Seriously.AFTERSNARK: OK, one more observation. It's tres amusante to hear shlemazl take the position that there's precious little anti-Semitism among Canada's "Right," suggesting that he is not overly bothered by other kinds of bigotry and prejudice.

One doesn't have to work very hard to notice that, even among shlemazl's Blogging Tory bunkmates, one finds raging bigotry and hatred targeting, oh, gays. And blacks. And aboriginals. And Muslims. And immigrants. And feminists. Yet, curiously, none of this seems to bother shlemazl, for whom anti-Semitism remains the only true test of bigotry, and all the rest is simply details.

And when shlemazl is so obviously indifferent to everyone else's persecution, is it any surprise that -- after a while -- everyone else stops giving a shit about his?

I'm just sayin'.THE UNBELIEVABLY BURNING STUPID: I just noticed this from shlemazl:

See I have never met a person who said that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic.

I have read Stephen Harper's statement and then I reread it and for the life of me I cannot see how it can possibly be interpreted as a claim that all criticisism of Israel is anti-Semitism.

And wishing specific terrorist leaders dead does not fall under "bigotry" in my book.

As for your kind suggestion that I should leave Canada... Thanks but no thanks. I shall pass on your advice and on that of the other intolerant bigots like Mr FYS from my comment section. Thankfully, you are a tiny, tiny minority in my Canada and most of you are likely blogging from mental institutions.

Well I'm now embarassed that in that thread I didn't make the most powerful argument available concerning some Right blogs--clearly there have been instances of blog posts and comments expressing hatred or intolerance regarding any number of identifiable groups. (To be fair, I don't know which sites are part of the Blogging Tories as such as shelemazl's argument wasn't re: all sites but only re: that subset.)

Having said that:

1. I need to hear a coherent innocent explanation for calling shlemazl "Smeagol the Jew."

2. I disagree with the argument that if he feels anti-Semitism exists here he should be told that he is free to move to Israel. What would you say to Ann Coulter if she told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson that they are free to go to Africa? Sounds to me like you're calling him "uppity."

3. I'd argue that if a racist wanted to find a place to go on the Internet to spew venom, the place of first resort would be a spot like Stormfront. At the same time it is undeniably true that there are people who view the Left's critique of Israel as an opening to spread hatred and lies regarding not Izrael but Jews. When that occurs at times nobody says a bloody thing. The fact that the Left is often falsely accused of anti-Semitism doesn't mean that there aren't some rogues out there who try to use Left blogs to perpetuate the myth of the "international Jewish conspiracy."

Certainly, MM, but shlemazl is the very last person I'd pick to have such a discussion with. The bastard called me a neo-Nazi recently, but was slimy enough to say he wasn't just as he was doing it.

Feh.

But even the more gifted David Hirsh plays that game. A critic of Israel was favourably quoted by David Duke. When told of it, he said (quite reasonably) that if David Duke wanted to pick up and recontexualize his remarks, that wasn't his fault. Hirsh--yes, you guessed it--criticized him for that response.

Duke also opposes the war in Iraq--so that, I suppose, makes all opponents of the war neo-Nazis. Indeed, IIRC, Steve Janke tried that on with the Cindy Sheehan people. And (I'm assuming here, but still...) Duke likely draws a connection between breathing and continuing to live. So now we should all hold our breaths?

Damn, I hate the pro-Israel forms of argument, their unsavoury blend of accusation and smarmy ad hominem innuendo. I'm all for engagement, but that doesn't mean we don't get to call these folks on their style of debate.

Fair enough Dawg, but I'm reminded of the fact that according to a former leader of Malaysia:

"Jews invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy to avoid persecution and gain control of the most powerful countries."

He went on to say a lot of other crap that could have come from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Feh and oy vey. And he received a standing ovation for it. But it's ironic that the case for the Palestinians is soundly rooted in progressive ideals of fairness, justice, equality, etc. and yet in the minds of some people who are not considered cranks but actually are leaders, those very ideals are part of a Jewish plot.

But I suppose I digress.

I'll agree with Ti-Guy's quote CC referred to that this is a tribal conflict. It's very difficult to try to pigeon hole it into a Left/Right issue but IMHO the debate we have here in North America has been reduced to just that.

Re: the arguments of some of Israel's advocates, I agree. In my view there is a case for Israel that easily can be made firmly and sincerely on progressive grounds. I don't see why Israel has allowed itself to fall into an embrace with the Right and let that side of the debate speak for it.

Ah, Israel and the Internet. I swear to gawd, every time there's a post on Israel, a million sock puppets are created to argue for and against it. I had a MarkyMark (creator of at least 12304701289417048290 sock puppets) accuse me of you-know-whatism because of links put up in my comments section by an arthurdecco. Then I noticed he was going to other blogs, "see? this is the link sooey let arthurdecco post!" and he'd post it on someone else's blog. Then arthurdecco would show up to make claims about international jewish conspiracies (see above) and the two of them would completely take over the comment sections of blogs hither and yon.

After a while, I figured MarkyMark and arthurdecco were probably the same nut.

Anyway, the argument now is, if you're not on the Right and you post about human rights abuses in Israel, it's because you're a you-know-whatite or you wouldn't be posting about human rights abuses in Israel you'd be posting about human rights abuses in Iran. Irrefutable logic, I'm afraid. Afterall, let's face it - Iran is way less of a beacon of hope in the Middle East than is Israel, unless, of course, you're a Palestinian in Gaza. But if you're a Palestinian in Gaza you're probably spending your idle hours firing rockets into Israeli neighbourhoods, so it's your own fault if Israel isn't your beacon of hope in the Middle East, isn't it.

"2. I disagree with the argument that if he feels anti-Semitism exists here he should be told that he is free to move to Israel. What would you say to Ann Coulter if she told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson that they are free to go to Africa? Sounds to me like you're calling him "uppity.""

You're missing the point, MM. No one's suggesting that shlemazl piss off to Israel simply because he's upset with what he sees as anti-Semitism in Canada.

One is suggesting he piss off since he complains about it relentlessly, never shutting the hell up about it and seeing anti-Semitism everywhere. Which, after a while, leads one to suggest that, if he's that much of an incessant whiner, maybe he'd be happier elsewhere.

That's not being prejudiced or bigoted, it's simply suggesting to someone that they might not be such a perpetual crybaby if they simply changed their situation.

I don't see the problem here. It's just like Canada's Littlest Racist Kathy Shaidle bitching non-stop about how much she hates Canada and would prefer to live in the U.S. Solution: have her fuck off and move to the U.S. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to come up with that idea.

sooey, since I created the MarkyMark name some time ago I have used that name alone and no "sock puppets." I am not arthurdecco.

I'm not even remotely making the argument you are accusing me of making. Wher ehave I said that criticism of Israel equates with anti-Semitism? I'm making the opoposite point.

But if people want to call shlemazl "Smeagol the Jew" or tell him to leave Canada, or if people think it's "ho hum" when rogue commenters spout off about the international Jewish conspiracy or link to "jewish tribal review-when victims rule," they're full of it.

The whole point of blogs is to link back and forth as part of an overall discussion. We're doing that here right now, aren't we?

You chose to allow arthurdecco to spew his venom at you place. Your decision-not mine. I haven't referred to that decision in years but since you bring it up again-shame on you for being an enabler of CLEAR anti-Semitism.

"JewishTirbalReivew-when victims rule-a critique of Jewish pre-eminence in America"--does anything more need to be said?

I'm not going to get into another flame war with you though-we should be able to discuss these ideas on the plane of ideas.

Sooey, Marky is not shlemazl. At least he isn't to the best of my knowledge. However Marky is Dr Dawg; that's for sure. Have you noticed how both of them have a habit of starting sentences with the word "but"?

All three of us (or should I say two?) live in the suburbs and get instructions from the same centre. However that is a terrible secret and you are told this in confidence. Do not divulge this information. Even if you do noone will be believe you for people will just laugh at you and think that it's yet another lefty conspiracy theory.

Oh come on Sooey, one last thing... Would I be right to derive from that that arthurdecco is me? And that me is arthurdecco? Because if that is so the arthurdecco-me (as opposed to shlemazl-me) is probably gonna go and blow up a Synagogue or something so the shlemazl-me really needs to know about this well in advance.

It's nice out and I'm goig to sign off soon too but a couple of thingsL

1. CC, shlemazl's issue appears to be anti-Semitism on the Left. I disagree with him but I don't think he's that differnet from, say, Al Sharpton, whose known for his issue being racism against African Americans. Many people think he sees racism where it doesn't exist and that he whines about it. If you would go after Kate for a remark about Sharpton then I think the logic really is the same re: shlemazl.

2. I have complained in the past about Holocaust "revisionists" and Jewish international conspiracy theorists being able to post in these discussions, complete with links to sites like JTR. For making that argument I have been subject to quite a bit of hostility (see above) and in fact my name has been "outed" to punish me for this colossal crime. I don't get it. Unlike shlemazl, I am NOT saying that people that I would call "rogue" commenters speak for progressives at all--and I understand the temptation for people who have been falsely accused of anti-Semtiism to take a pass when the real deal appears-but no serious progressive could possibly view those rogues commenters as anything other than what they are. Some people (DD) are very clear on the point.

Would you mind if I ask you NOT to compare me to Al Sharpton? I would much rather be told by CC&Co to bug off to Israel than to be compared to AS by Marky-Mark-me. Otherwise.... I am warning you, I shall compare you to Sooey.

Also, can you let shlemazl-me explain what shlemazl-me's views are rather than take it upon yourself to re(mis?)interpret them?

Since sooey wishes to ex-communicate me from the Left for having the audacity to hope (OK-insist is more accurate) that a progressive blogger would react when a frequent commenter uses her blog to promote a hate site, perhaps I should do what she says and join the Right where she implies I belong.

Have you noticed how animated is the dialogue in a comments section when one doesn't have to wait for the excruciatingly slow response of a moderator? I just thought I'd mention that. It's how we grown-ups like to encourage debate.

P.S. And for someone who pleads for the freedom to explain his own views, it's pretty hypocritical to continually misrepresent mine.

I don't have sock puppets so I think I'll repost my comment so other commenters can reread what I actually said instead of the misrepresentation of what I said by MarkyMark/arthurdecco/shlemazl:

Ah, Israel and the Internet. I swear to gawd, every time there's a post on Israel, a million sock puppets are created to argue for and against it. I had a MarkyMark (creator of at least 12304701289417048290 sock puppets) accuse me of you-know-whatism because of links put up in my comments section by an arthurdecco. Then I noticed he was going to other blogs, "see? this is the link sooey let arthurdecco post!" and he'd post it on someone else's blog. Then arthurdecco would show up to make claims about international jewish conspiracies (see above) and the two of them would completely take over the comment sections of blogs hither and yon.

After a while, I figured MarkyMark and arthurdecco were probably the same nut.

Anyway, the argument now is, if you're not on the Right and you post about human rights abuses in Israel, it's because you're a you-know-whatite or you wouldn't be posting about human rights abuses in Israel you'd be posting about human rights abuses in Iran. Irrefutable logic, I'm afraid. Afterall, let's face it - Iran is way less of a beacon of hope in the Middle East than is Israel, unless, of course, you're a Palestinian in Gaza. But if you're a Palestinian in Gaza you're probably spending your idle hours firing rockets into Israeli neighbourhoods, so it's your own fault if Israel isn't your beacon of hope in the Middle East, isn't it.

It's as incoherent and nonsensical the second time as it was the first time.

Whether you or I like it or not, sadly there are some "rogue" commenters who do exist and prey on these discussions. I have no reason to believe arthurdecco is some sort of plant. Do you have any evidence that this is so? Preumably if he and I were the same (as laughable as the day is long), you and other bloggers could simply say the comments came from the same IP address. Duhhh.

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

As this is now entering flame war territory, and I too don't want another coronary, I'm exiting,

I'm really getting tired of giving this douchenozzle space and awareness for his idiocy.

"Have you had people flooding your comment section with threats to kill your children? Come back with your valuable advice after that happens."Please, like other bloggers never get threats from the Right. And that's even if I believe it was true. WHICH I DO NOT! What a fucking whiner.

I am exiting KEvron, but what you (and sooey) sre arguing is ridiculous--yes, critics of Israel are often unjustly smeared--but that doesn't mean that there are NO anti-Semites and that the (very few) instances of such expressions on lefty sites are fake and the work of sock puppets. You have no evidence to support that theory and it's a bunch of malicious BS.

"The comments shlemazl reproduces are unacceptable, immoral and wrong."

Yes, they are. Or they would be if we can believe their accuracy. Given the way the Right likes to embellish everything, I'd have to have more proof than shlemazl's say so, especially given the way he's misrepresented what I've written.

I mean, really, for all we know, he's as dishonest as Patrick Ross, which means nothing he writes can be taken seriously. So you'll forgive me if I don't immediately leap to shlemazl's defense, given his talent for distortion.

once i catch one of these guys engaging in some reprehensible behavior, i never trust another thing they say. nazl's so game to assume the roll of victim, i have no doubt that he would create some of his own attackers.

Glad to see an uncensored free speech zone, its getting rarer and rarer these days!

You are spot on about that Shlemazl character being a lying piece of sh*t, his favourite tactic seems to be labelling anyone he disagrees with, with the labels increasing in hysteria and seriousness according to your ability to prove him wrong.

The other tactic he favours is spoofing disgusting comments from people who are able to use reason to expose his ignorance, and then enabling censorship (or CM) and then saying he did it to prevent any more Nazi comments from people he has spoofed and labelled. All the while insulting them behind his screen.

He is the one who obsesses in pretty much every post over anti-semites and Nazis and all of that jazz and then staw mans it out to others.

A typical internet hardman and coward with nothing of substance to say.

Can I make a friendly suggestion? Gentlemen, you should really be a bit more careful about letting people on Progressive blogrolls. Sockpuppets all around you. You should get your comrades in arms to do an IQ screening first; anyone over 50 should be expelled to Blogging Tories.

I didn't realize you were hanging on to a grudge. Let it go. You know I'm not arthurdecco so stop with the smear that I'm a right winger creating a Nazi sockpuppet to embarass progressives. It is beneath you. I've said for years now that when people went lightly on him it was probably because they've been burned with the false charge of anti-Semitism.

Either prove I'm arthurdecco or stop lying.

CC, for Shlemazl to prove the authenticity of the quotes he reproduces he would have to give companion IP addresses. Do we really want to go there?

Here is just one small example of the insidious way in which Marky Mark operates on the Internet (note the similarity to the insidious way in which shlemazl operates on the Internet) Here he is "posting" things on shlemazl's site:

"Marky Mark said... B,

I agree with you. But if I understand the somewhat incoherent statements coming from sooey over at CC, any Jew who dares to comment on a truly anti-Semitic comment made by a "rogue" commenter on a progressive blog is "uppity" and probably a crafty insidious Jewey right wing plant trying to embarass the Left."

"Can I make a friendly suggestion? Gentlemen, you should really be a bit more careful about letting people on Progressive blogrolls. Sockpuppets all around you. You should get your comrades in arms to do an IQ screening first; anyone over 50 should be expelled to Blogging Tories."OH NOOOES! Shlemazl was sooooo mean to us progressives!!! Can I call him a bigot now?

It is you who is lashing out for trying to discredit what I said in this thread before you arrived with the lie that I am a right wing plant. At first I thought you were joking. Now I think you seem to believe it. I invite you to prove it. You will have as much success in trying to prove the Earth is flat. .

I don't regret it. You're both creating a lie that an evil crafty rightwinger (all Jews being righwingers of course) has created and used arthurdecco to embarass you.

You're proving shlemazl's point.

But I'm limiting my comment to the two of you and am not extrapolating.

Perhaps I will do my usual insidious thing and mention this sorry example at Dawg's place the next time he hosts a civil discussion among intelligent and informed reasonable people on the very real issues CC's post addressed.

I think Sooey's nailed Marky Mark, although I'm not convinced he's a fraud. Just hopelessly addled. He rushes around to different blogs, introducing commentary posted elsewhere by commenters who are not even participating in the discussion and manages to muddle the conversation beyond all recognition.

I've told him before to stick to one discussion and one assemblage of commenters to try to maintain a coherent dialogue, but he doesn't seem focused enough to do that.

So I pretty much ignore anything he writes that's longer than a sentence or two. His writing lacks clarity, anyway.

Let's shift the goalposts Ti. And your blog? I do a running blog and go to other like blogs. I also follow left blogs. There is no rational reason to launch personal attacks or question my motives. In fact, you know very well about the vicious personal attacks arthurdecco has launched against me (and of late, on you) but many of his against me are actually identity specific. You know it.

This character seems to see antisemitism everywhere, even when none exists. If I were to witness him stealing and called him on his theft, he would see it as antisemitism.

Look, shlemazl, if you pull your head out of your ass you'd learn quite quickly that few people give a rat's ass about anyone's religion, culture or personal system of belief. They tend to get growly, though, when you shove it in their face over and over and over and over and over again along with shrieky, paranoid rantings of a bigot.

In short: People don't dislike you because you're Jewish. They dislike you because you're a bigot who has divorced themselves from reality and aligned themselves with a prejudiced, racist, homophobic bunch of asswipes.

And I'm sorry I did. I took sooey's bait. She knew I would. Sure she clearly flamed me but I should know better than to respond to someone who lies.

I will do the insidious thing and do my own post on my own turf or in friendlier confines and explain clearly and precisely where this is coming from.

This blog and many of the comments draw attention to other blog posts and comments. That is how is should be. You are trying to set up an exception for me and are unable to articulate any rationale for the exception. I can't think of any honourable explanation for that view.

Not quite KEvron. It is more a case (as far as I can tell) of the sad tribal conflict now seen mainly as a Ledt/Right issue. This is cognitive dissonance at its finest.

And then sooey makes these false charges and nobody requires any proof. She can't prove what is false and she has a collateral animus that explains why she is lying. But enough of that before I go nuclear as I know she is daring me to do.

Let's say Kate's response to a criticism of some of the comments on her blog (comments that are copied and pasted here quite often) argued they were a left wing plant and really were posted by you?

I'm confident if you take a breath and read the thread CC linked to as well as I said above pre-flame that you will kmow I'm no fraud.

I can just imagine Shlemazl's inner rage at not being able to control what is being said here by way of his favourite pairing of defamation and censorship, but it is interesting to see that the reasons that Shlemazl cites for his own use of censorship are conspicuously lacking here: No death threats against anyone (let alone children) and no Nazi rants ( and not even whimper from a white supremacist )

Not even a contentious comment presenting the "legal liablity" he seems to be irrationally afriad of.

So tell us, Shemazl, what is the real reason for your fearful censorship?

OK sooey--carry on with your delusional fantasy that there are no progressives who believe in self-determination for the Jewish People Please continue to smear every such person as a right wing plant and, at the same time, please continue to allow people who honestly believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to say just that at your "progressive" blog--of course next time someone gets the false impression that "Jewish Tribal Review-When Victims Rule" is something you enjoy, make sure you keep it on your blog rather than doing your typical Stalinist thing and scrubbing the record, changing comments after the fact, etc.

Also: Have you ever thought that the more you wave your arms while shrieking "ANTISEMITE" at every mouse squeak and breze that blows by the less credence you give to the testimony those who *are* experiencing antisemitism?

Sunday, May 17, 2009Progressives Hound a Lefty Jewish Blogger In the comment section to my previous post Marky Mark tried to argue that "Left have zero tolerance for anti-Semitism" (source).

Today he is hounded and lynched by his comrades in arms at "Canadian Cynic". He is being accused of being a right-winger, a nazi plant and even (the worst humiliation of them all!) of being me, i.e. "shlemazl".

Not that one should be too surprised by lefty conspiracy theories and general undersupply of braincells but isn't it remarkable that ALL progressives from Canadian Cynic would unanimously single out a lefty blogger for attack? Blogger who just happens to be Jewish?

In the mean time in the same comment section at Canadian Cynic's white supremacist neo-nazi from Britain called "Sentinel" gets a free pass. In fact they appear to be on the same wavelength.

Is "progressive" just a new name for what used to be called "the extreme right"?

If any of this was true then you would have all the evidence you would need to go the authorities, so why haven't you?

Maybe because its just another hysterical smear that you love to put out in lieu of substance; like I said earlier: The labels and accusations you use increase in hysteria and seriousness according to a persons ability to prove you wrong. You are indeed a strange and shallow entity with an ego the size of the planet; a petty little control freak and coward who screams like a little girl and cries wolf everytime he dosent get his own way in a debate.

Pathetic.

Are you made of the same stuff sooey? Are you actually able to rationalise and evidence your "white supremacist neo-nazi" slurs?

Specific threats against my family and calls for Jews to be sent to the gas chambers came from a blogger calling himself "The Sentinel". IP address 195.93.21.102, London, England.I didn't know Blogger provided for such accurate comment tracking. I thought you had to get Haloscan for that.

I checked out "Sentinel's" blog, Shlemiel. Sounds like a typical BNP'er (ie, far Righty) to me.

What a piece of work-you argue that my linking to or copying and pasting your posts is "insidious" (and of course it was YOU who did that here re: arthurdecco, not I-it's been YEARS since I last referred to your interaction with him) but of course the rules and standards you believe apply to others don't apply to you. They never have.

If you want to particpate in a dicsussion based on ideas, talk ideas.

CC,

If the quote re: the Tamils is wrong (it is) then so too are the types of comments sooey has referred to here. I know we agree that they are both wrong. That's what liberalism is about: judging people by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin or some other identifying group characteristic.

Rather than deal with those comments on the plane of ideas and reality, sooey is wishing them away by concocting the lie that arthurdecco does not exist.

That last sentence is confusing. I can't think of any white supremacist neo-nazi slurs I've made on the Internet. NOT that I wouldn't slur white supremacist neo-nazis, of course. I would. White supremacist neo-nazis are bad. Very bad. I just don't have occasion to slur them very often because I usually only read cc's and stageleft's blogs.

Pretty odd then, how the BNP has never been mentioned by me in the blog. Ever.

Pretty odd too how I am a campaigner for Gurkha justice and their right to equal pay and to UK citizenship and have posted around half a dozen times on the subject.

What I do post on, amongst other things, is the dangerous influence of organisations of AIPAC on US policy - so I guess by the standards of Shlemazl and yourself I must be right up there with Himmler and Heydrich.

It doesn't matter that every post is reasoned, sourced and evidenced does it? The truth is no defence, now is it?

And Shlemazl reveals his duplictious game when he says: "CC&Co you should check out his blog. You will find a lot of useful anti-Zionist information" - there is a world of difference between being an anti-zionist and the foaming rabid anti-Semite he tries to paint me as, but it is interesting "freudian" slip on his behalf.

I did. And your own 80 or so posts exposed your insidious brand of McCarthyism much more than mine ever could have done. Thanks.Ridiculous. You are making a new false charge to support what you now admit was a bald faced lie. There is nothing remotely McCarthesque in my comments of 9:52 and 10:10 which are what you'd like me to believe you reacted to. Your credibility is below zero at this point.

Years ago-and we're talking YEARS, I called you out for how you handled AD.

Get over it.

Dr. Dawg, many thanks for your comment.

KEvron, no I didn't call you an anti-Semite-I was making the point that the sad story of the Middle East transcends Left/Right issues here. I don't like people articulating incorrect (and toxic) assumptions that people are meant to hold certain partisan beliefs based on some sort of group identification. That's what I heard in your comments. But aren't you glad you reflexively vouched for sooey's now admitted lie that I use AD as a sock puppet?