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Burning Questions: Should you tip your hairdresser or barber after paying?

PAYING for a haircut provides an awkward social moment, so how do you handle it? To tip or not to tip, that is the question.

You stand up from the chair after thanking the hairdresser or barber for a job well done, even though you’re not convinced the trim they’ve given you has really made a difference or the new style they told you is the in-thing is really what you wanted.

You then walk over to the counter to pay and after picking you jaw up off the floor from being charged fifty quid for about 10 minutes’ work you hand over your card or cash.

It’s around this point you have to decide whether to provide a tip or not.

Do you give the stylist a bit extra for his or her work? If so, how much do you give and how do you offer the tip? Do you give the tip because you think it’s fair and deserved, or because you feel under pressure to comply with convention?

Add your comments below and tell us how you approach this one.

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Comments

My local barbers (Halil's in Abbey Wood) make it easy for me. They charge £9 for a haircut. I always withdraw £10 out of the cash machine and give them a £1 tip.

My local barbers (Halil's in Abbey Wood) make it easy for me. They charge £9 for a haircut. I always withdraw £10 out of the cash machine and give them a £1 tip.joertmclark

My local barbers (Halil's in Abbey Wood) make it easy for me. They charge £9 for a haircut. I always withdraw £10 out of the cash machine and give them a £1 tip.

Score: 12

Gypo.Joe
9:48am Mon 9 Dec 13

@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.

@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.Gypo.Joe

@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.

Score: -18

Tmcd
9:58am Mon 9 Dec 13

My Barbers, (Bromley North Barbers, near Bromley North Station) charge around £11-12 but I always tip them a couple of quid. the reason I do this is because they do a great job on my hair. I would always tip a barber but if I had a barber that didnt cut my hair how i liked i would simply go somewhere else next time.

My Barbers, (Bromley North Barbers, near Bromley North Station) charge around £11-12 but I always tip them a couple of quid. the reason I do this is because they do a great job on my hair. I would always tip a barber but if I had a barber that didnt cut my hair how i liked i would simply go somewhere else next time.Tmcd

My Barbers, (Bromley North Barbers, near Bromley North Station) charge around £11-12 but I always tip them a couple of quid. the reason I do this is because they do a great job on my hair. I would always tip a barber but if I had a barber that didnt cut my hair how i liked i would simply go somewhere else next time.

Score: 7

joertmclark
10:09am Mon 9 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe wrote…

@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.

Why don't you go there and see for yourself?

[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote:
@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.[/p][/quote]Why don't you go there and see for yourself?joertmclark

Gypo.Joe wrote…

@ joertmclark , FFS only 9 quid, you must be bald. What do they give you a flick over with a yellow duster for that and shave ya bum fluff.

Why don't you go there and see for yourself?

Score: 18

RoyalFactor
1:05pm Mon 9 Dec 13

If they do a good job it's good to tip. And they're probably paid a pittance by the owner...

If they do a good job it's good to tip. And they're probably paid a pittance by the owner...RoyalFactor

If they do a good job it's good to tip. And they're probably paid a pittance by the owner...

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.Charlottesays

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

Score: 19

Bob Goulding
2:02pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.Bob Goulding

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

Score: 3

Charlottesays
2:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.Charlottesays

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

Score: 6

Bob Goulding
2:31pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.[/p][/quote]It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.Bob Goulding

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Score: 9

Charlottesays
2:39pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.[/p][/quote]It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.[/p][/quote]Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! LolCharlottesays

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

Score: 6

Bob Goulding
3:22pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.[/p][/quote]It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.[/p][/quote]Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol[/p][/quote]I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.
When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.
When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).
It’s your choice at the end of the day.Bob Goulding

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

Score: -8

Alconcalcia
4:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.

[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.[/p][/quote]It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.[/p][/quote]Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol[/p][/quote]I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.
When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.
When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).
It’s your choice at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.Alconcalcia

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.

Score: 6

Bob Goulding
5:54pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Alconcalcia wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

Bob Goulding wrote…

Charlottesays wrote…

I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.

I rest my case.

[quote][p][bold]Alconcalcia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Charlottesays[/bold] wrote:
I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.[/p][/quote]I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.[/p][/quote]It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.[/p][/quote]Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol[/p][/quote]I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.
When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.
When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).
It’s your choice at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.[/p][/quote]I rest my case.Bob Goulding

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I feel being a girl I'm severely disadvantaged here anyway. First price lists are directly related to which person cuts your hair, (junior stylist, stylist, senior stylist, style director, and then something poncy like "art director" or manager) and trust me, it's so not worth the heart ache of going for the (only marginally cheaper) junior stylist or what not, the amount of times my hair has been AWFUL after that! For a girl you basically can't get a good hair cut for under 50 quid, and a lot pay a lot more (my sister regularly pays 80pounds a time). At that much money I feel like I'm being ripped off anyway, and I can't afford to pay that to get a regular cut , so I have to wait until my jar is in sch a state before I can justify spending that much money on myself. £50+ for an hours work is, in my mind, a tip anyway!! But yet I'm ALWAYS made to feel guilty for not tipping! Most places have a little system where at the end of your cut the hairdresser (or senior stylist or art director or whatever they call themselves nowadays) walks you over to reception so the receptionist can take your money, and then they just HANG AROUND waiting for you to tip! I'm sorry but being barely able to afford 50 pounds on a haircut there is no way I can afford to tip you for doing that thing I'm paying you for doing anyway?? I'm sorry but to me, the whole thing is ridiculous.

I quite understand your frustration but don't you think you should consider changing your salon. My partner has been a customer of various branches of Graham Webb for many years and has never experienced this kind of intimidation... the reverse if anything. And she has always had good value for money.

I have tried MANY a salon (mainly coz I'm always trying to find somewhere decent that's not expensive, years of being a student and then mother and never having an abundance of cash has made me a cheapskate) and my experience is that this is just standard practice for hairdressers.

It may be 'common practice' but it is most certainly not 'standard practice'. If you cannot afford salon rates, have you attempted to find a stylist that is prepared to come to you. They do exist you know as there are many out there that need the extra work and/or cannot work normal salon hours.

Ok arguing over semantics is just pointless lol. I was just explaining how it works for a lot of women and how it is really expensive, and therefore I think tipping shouldn't be a necessity. Having worked for many a place at 6 pounds and hour without getting tips I find it hard to justify WHY some one should get tipped when they are charging so much in the first place. If they do a good job- great, you would hope they would as they charge a fortune! Lol

I wasn't arguing over semantics I was simply trying to be realistic and constructive.

When you pay a salon to cut your hair you should take into account that you are not just paying the staff for their time but you are also making a contribution to the salon’s other overheads…Rent, rates, gas, electricity, insurance, cleaning, laundry, training, management, administration, ‘down time’ (when there are no customers in the salon), etc.

When you are deciding whether or not to tip you should bear in mind that stylists receive nothing like £50 for a haircut and that the juniors that wash your hair are probably on the minimum wage for their age (apprentice/trainee £2.68 per hour; under 18 £3.72 per hour; 18-20 £3.72 per hour).

It’s your choice at the end of the day.

Why don;t the salon just make the price reflect their overheads and thus avoid the mutual embarrassment of judging someone as mean or generous depending on their tip? Luckily I found a great hairdresser who works from home round the corner and doesn't expect a tip. The price is the price, not a rough cost with me deciding what the actual total price is.

I rest my case.

Score: -1

Harold_Monk
1:26am Tue 10 Dec 13

I don't tip. I just point to the floor and say "keep the hair". They get £10 a bag-full

I don't tip. I just point to the floor and say "keep the hair". They get £10 a bag-fullHarold_Monk

I don't tip. I just point to the floor and say "keep the hair". They get £10 a bag-full

Score: 1

kentmum
9:58am Thu 12 Dec 13

I only tip if i have the change as always pay by card. Girls, go to a hairdressing college, it is so much cheaper and they use the same quality products as a salon. You just need to allocate more time for your appointment as they are trainees and it may take a bit longer.

I only tip if i have the change as always pay by card. Girls, go to a hairdressing college, it is so much cheaper and they use the same quality products as a salon. You just need to allocate more time for your appointment as they are trainees and it may take a bit longer.kentmum

I only tip if i have the change as always pay by card. Girls, go to a hairdressing college, it is so much cheaper and they use the same quality products as a salon. You just need to allocate more time for your appointment as they are trainees and it may take a bit longer.

Score: 3

Jakey_Lou
1:16pm Thu 12 Dec 13

No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.

No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.Jakey_Lou

No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.

Score: 3

Bob Goulding
1:49pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Jakey_Lou wrote…

No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.

You clearly have no knowledge of UK tax law:

'Tips and gratuities received by taxi drivers, postmen, hairdressers, waiters, etc, in respect of services they have provided are taxable as earnings within Section 62 ITEPA 2003.'

You also clearly have no appreciation of the economics of running a hairdressing salon otherwise you might be a little less inclined to insult the intelligence of their customers.

[quote][p][bold]Jakey_Lou[/bold] wrote:
No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.[/p][/quote]You clearly have no knowledge of UK tax law:
'Tips and gratuities received by taxi drivers, postmen, hairdressers, waiters, etc, in respect of services they have provided are taxable as earnings within Section 62 ITEPA 2003.'
You also clearly have no appreciation of the economics of running a hairdressing salon otherwise you might be a little less inclined to insult the intelligence of their customers.Bob Goulding

Jakey_Lou wrote…

No tips from me, sorry. It's tax free money for some. I get taxed in all my earnings, so i dont see why others should 't. The "£9 haircut" con is clever business (expecting the customer to say "keep the change"), but I dont fall for it. As of women paying £50 for a haircut, it's their fault that they pay that money. The salons charge that because they know that women will walk in and pay it. The most profitable industries on the high street evolve around women taking advantage of womens total lack of sense when it comes to spending money.

You clearly have no knowledge of UK tax law:

'Tips and gratuities received by taxi drivers, postmen, hairdressers, waiters, etc, in respect of services they have provided are taxable as earnings within Section 62 ITEPA 2003.'

You also clearly have no appreciation of the economics of running a hairdressing salon otherwise you might be a little less inclined to insult the intelligence of their customers.

Score: -2

sarfflondonbird
3:33pm Thu 12 Dec 13

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.sarfflondonbird

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

Score: 4

Bob Goulding
3:40pm Thu 12 Dec 13

sarfflondonbird wrote…

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.

[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote:
I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.[/p][/quote]OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.Bob Goulding

sarfflondonbird wrote…

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.

Score: -1

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5:27pm Thu 12 Dec 13

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sarflondonbird is a nappy headed ho ho ho
(and as tight as a submarines door )Gypo.Joe

sarflondonbird is a nappy headed ho ho ho

(and as tight as a submarines door )

Score: -3

lollie,erith
5:49pm Thu 12 Dec 13

lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.

lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.lollie,erith

lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.

Score: 2

sarfflondonbird
6:10am Fri 13 Dec 13

lollie,erith wrote…

lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.

Or for that matter, paying all that money to watch wasters kicking a football about for 70 plus minutes. Where's the economics in that?

[quote][p][bold]lollie,erith[/bold] wrote:
lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.[/p][/quote]Or for that matter, paying all that money to watch wasters kicking a football about for 70 plus minutes. Where's the economics in that?sarfflondonbird

lollie,erith wrote…

lol jakey_lou saying high streets are full of taking advantage of womens lack of sense. look at the amount of bookies on the high street taking advantage of mainly men's stupidity who come away with nothing or even far less money than what they went in with.

Or for that matter, paying all that money to watch wasters kicking a football about for 70 plus minutes. Where's the economics in that?

Score: 0

sarfflondonbird
6:19am Fri 13 Dec 13

Bob Goulding wrote…

sarfflondonbird wrote…

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.

Ok, maybe a blow dry (yes Gypo, I said blow dry not the other) gets thrown in occasionally but not always. Have you never heard of dry cut? As for washing and setting, I do that myself as I have sensitive skin. That is salon economics for you.

[quote][p][bold]Bob Goulding[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote:
I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.[/p][/quote]OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.[/p][/quote]Ok, maybe a blow dry (yes Gypo, I said blow dry not the other) gets thrown in occasionally but not always. Have you never heard of dry cut? As for washing and setting, I do that myself as I have sensitive skin. That is salon economics for you.sarfflondonbird

Bob Goulding wrote…

sarfflondonbird wrote…

I'm a meany............I dont give a tip as I consider £25 for just a cut and nothing else is far sufficient funds paid. As for colouring and perming etc., the prices are far too expensive, even if you are paying for their time and resources. They can take their tips our of their charges.

OK, so how long does it take to cut your hair? Presumably it is washed first then blow-dried and 'styled'. Seems that you too have no idea of salon economics either.

Ok, maybe a blow dry (yes Gypo, I said blow dry not the other) gets thrown in occasionally but not always. Have you never heard of dry cut? As for washing and setting, I do that myself as I have sensitive skin. That is salon economics for you.

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