Trump's mental illness.

For the last year the focus on Trump's possible demise has been the Russia links. Imho the investigation will get close to him but not close enough so he is forced to resign before he is impeached. If he resigns he will do so because of his mental health but it will be dressed up as something else.

What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for …What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for him?If you vote for someone who is clearly a nutter to run your country maybe by default you are also one.

Whether we like it or not millions of highly intelligent people also voted for Trump.Simply saying Trump is a nutter and all his supporters are nutters is a failure to use the brain.

People voted for him - why?What were the main reasons?What did this guy offer them that the others didn't?

If we get an understanding of why people voted for him we get a handle on things - if we simply voice our disaproval we're left in the dark and the same thing - if not worse - happens again.

Instead of looking in envy at Trump his opponents need to be looking at themselves - why weren't they accepted by the voting public?

Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with …Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with healthcare, a friend of mine could no longer afford medication that keeps her alive. I imagine she had little to lose by voting Trump, even though it seems to be the opposite of what I would expect of her character.Perhaps similarly to the way people voted for Brexit, because they felt deprived.

Obama helped many more people than he he hurt through Obamacare. Your friend unfortunately fell through the cracks

You are right that the masses voted for Trump and Brexit as they felt deprived/ignored etc.

That would be disastrous. At least at the moment the majority of his mad acts can be smoothed over or ignored...if he is impeached or resigns then Mike Pence steps up. He’s just as frightening in terms of political beliefs but a career politician and far better at using the system cleverly. Trump as president is a blip...Mike Pence would be a whole new level of serious problem.

That would be disastrous. At least at the moment the majority of his mad …That would be disastrous. At least at the moment the majority of his mad acts can be smoothed over or ignored...if he is impeached or resigns then Mike Pence steps up. He’s just as frightening in terms of political beliefs but a career politician and far better at using the system cleverly. Trump as president is a blip...Mike Pence would be a whole new level of serious problem.

I agree about Pence.

2nd Dec 2017

What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for him?If you vote for someone who is clearly a nutter to run your country maybe by default you are also one.

What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for …What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for him?If you vote for someone who is clearly a nutter to run your country maybe by default you are also one.

What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for …What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for him?If you vote for someone who is clearly a nutter to run your country maybe by default you are also one.

Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with healthcare, a friend of mine could no longer afford medication that keeps her alive. I imagine she had little to lose by voting Trump, even though it seems to be the opposite of what I would expect of her character.

Perhaps similarly to the way people voted for Brexit, because they felt deprived.

Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with …Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with healthcare, a friend of mine could no longer afford medication that keeps her alive. I imagine she had little to lose by voting Trump, even though it seems to be the opposite of what I would expect of her character.Perhaps similarly to the way people voted for Brexit, because they felt deprived.

Obama helped many more people than he he hurt through Obamacare. Your friend unfortunately fell through the cracks

You are right that the masses voted for Trump and Brexit as they felt deprived/ignored etc.

The sad thing is they won't see any improvements in their lives

2nd Dec 2017

I read somewhere a while ago he was taken into a mental hospital in the nineties. I might be wrong as it's an un checked source.

Obama helped many more people than he he hurt through Obamacare. Your …Obama helped many more people than he he hurt through Obamacare. Your friend unfortunately fell through the cracks You are right that the masses voted for Trump and Brexit as they felt deprived/ignored etc.The sad thing is they won't see any improvements in their lives

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few eh? I don't suppose that means much to a person when you are dying, slowly and painfully.

I think it's a lot more complicated than many of us over here will understand fully. Myself included.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few eh? I don't suppose that …Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few eh? I don't suppose that means much to a person when you are dying, slowly and painfully.I think it's a lot more complicated than many of us over here will understand fully. Myself included.

You know I like you msk but you have to look at it from a distance and see if the Obama care was a bad idea.i fully take your point that we don't know what it entails exactly and maybe has made it worse for a fair few people, it's just a u educated opinion that overall it was probably a good idea.

Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with …Depends what you've had taken away from you. The way Obarma messed with healthcare, a friend of mine could no longer afford medication that keeps her alive. I imagine she had little to lose by voting Trump, even though it seems to be the opposite of what I would expect of her character.Perhaps similarly to the way people voted for Brexit, because they felt deprived.

Perhaps dissimilar to the way people voted for Brexit, given the EU is wasteful, expensive and supportive of unchecked immigration. Paint a picture of voters but you simply don't know the underlying reasons why people voted for Trump or Brexit.

Perhaps dissimilar to the way people voted for Brexit, given the EU is …Perhaps dissimilar to the way people voted for Brexit, given the EU is wasteful, expensive and supportive of unchecked immigration. Paint a picture of voters but you simply don't know the underlying reasons why people voted for Trump or Brexit.

No, I painted a picture of one voter and the comparison very much depends on your opinion of Obama.

You know I like you msk but you have to look at it from a distance and see …You know I like you msk but you have to look at it from a distance and see if the Obama care was a bad idea.i fully take your point that we don't know what it entails exactly and maybe has made it worse for a fair few people, it's just a u educated opinion that overall it was probably a good idea./ my 'n' keeps disappearing even after edit...... Uneducated

All I'm saying is not having lived through it, or understanding the subtleties of American politics, I don't think I can judge. I have to be open to either possibility.

My gut feeling was that it was a good thing, but what I've heard from a dear friend is frightening and upsetting. It definitely isn't working for her. Which was a shock to me.

All I'm saying is not having lived through it, or understanding the …All I'm saying is not having lived through it, or understanding the subtleties of American politics, I don't think I can judge. I have to be open to either possibility.My gut feeling was that it was a good thing, but what I've heard from a dear friend is frightening and upsetting. It definitely isn't working for her. Which was a shock to me.Not sure what liking or disliking me has to do with it though

Lol just didn't want you thinking I was attacking your opinion especially as it affects you in a personal way

Perhaps dissimilar to the way people voted for Brexit, given the EU is …Perhaps dissimilar to the way people voted for Brexit, given the EU is wasteful, expensive and supportive of unchecked immigration. Paint a picture of voters but you simply don't know the underlying reasons why people voted for Trump or Brexit.

I'm going to guess that being thick was probably a likely one.

2nd Dec 2017

Irony that the op wants to discuss the mental state of voters and foreign leaders when it appears that they might have a mental problem themselves. I'm not a doctor but I think the op might be suffering from a severe case of BrexitTrumpitus. Sadly, There is no cure.

Perhaps you will. Guessing and assuming is a fun game for the ignorant.

Really? I thought the ignorant specialised in cutting off their noses to spite their faces, I.e. Voting for Brexit or supporting Trump despite the long term impact of that action being detrimental to them.

Irony that the op wants to discuss the mental state of voters and foreign …Irony that the op wants to discuss the mental state of voters and foreign leaders when it appears that they might have a mental problem themselves. I'm not a doctor but I think the op might be suffering from a severe case of BrexitTrumpitus. Sadly, There is no cure.

It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to their own (and views that are against political correctness) so have to try to justify it by assuming anyone who opposes them must be mentally ill. I’m no doctor mind, but my guess isit must be some mental defence mechanism to protect their fragile minds. It frequently ends up as a name calling or insult - type responses from the anti-Trump individuals rather than rational debate.

it would be too easy to assume Theresa May and her supporters suffer a mental illness, but I know better and don’t sink to the lows of anti-trump haters.

Edited by: "118luke" 3rd Dec 2017

3rd Dec 2017

The sooner he goes the better.The rise of the far right in recent times can be traced directly to Trump's presidency.

What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for …What does it say about the mental state of all the people that voted for him?If you vote for someone who is clearly a nutter to run your country maybe by default you are also one.

Whether we like it or not millions of highly intelligent people also voted for Trump.Simply saying Trump is a nutter and all his supporters are nutters is a failure to use the brain.

People voted for him - why?What were the main reasons?What did this guy offer them that the others didn't?

If we get an understanding of why people voted for him we get a handle on things - if we simply voice our disaproval we're left in the dark and the same thing - if not worse - happens again.

Instead of looking in envy at Trump his opponents need to be looking at themselves - why weren't they accepted by the voting public?

Whether we like it or not millions of highly intelligent people also voted …Whether we like it or not millions of highly intelligent people also voted for Trump.Simply saying Trump is a nutter and all his supporters are nutters is a failure to use the brain.

It depends on how you measure intelligence which is a more interesting subject than discussing Trump.Being intelligent in itself doesn't preclude you from being mentally ill though.Not that I actually said there is a correlation between voting for Trump and being mentally ill but asked if there might be a correlation.If you are going to try and engage in a serious debate you need to at least pick up on the finer points.

As for your belief that "millions of highly intelligent people also voted for Trump", what scale are you using to measure that as when you use highly as a prefix here, for me you are severely limiting the total number of Americans that fit in that camp. I very much doubt that millions of the American elite intelligentsia voted for Trump.

3rd Dec 2017

Trump should invite all those that strongly disapprove to move to a country with a stark difference in Leadership. North Korea would be a fine example for instance - it’s ideal. It’s citizens are brainwashed to hate Trump, so they would fit in rather well

It depends on how you measure intelligence which is a more interesting …It depends on how you measure intelligence which is a more interesting subject than discussing Trump.Being intelligent in itself doesn't preclude you from being mentally ill though.Not that I actually said there is a correlation between voting for Trump and being mentally ill but asked if there might be a correlation.If you are going to try and engage in a serious debate you need to at least pick up on the finer points.As for your belief that "millions of highly intelligent people also voted for Trump", what scale are you using to measure that as when you use highly as a prefix here, for me you are severely limiting the total number of Americans that fit in that camp. I very much doubt that millions of the American elite intelligentsia voted for Trump.

Getting bogged down in nonsense is nonsense.The fact is Trump got enough supporters to win, his opponents didn't.

Focusing on slagging his supporters rather than looking at why their favourites were rejected only ensures they'll make the same mistakes again - and we end up with another Trump term on top of this one.

Getting bogged down in nonsense is nonsense.The fact is Trump got enough …Getting bogged down in nonsense is nonsense.The fact is Trump got enough supporters to win, his opponents didn't.Focusing on slagging his supporters rather than looking at why their favourites were rejected only ensures they'll make the same mistakes again - and we end up with another Trump term on top of this one.

Just want to show respect for 2 well balanced and informative comments.

No I'm no supporter of Trump (especially with his unsupervised Tweets) but he is POTUS and he got there because of his views on how America should be run

He's no career politician and probably that is one of the main reasons the "establishments" (is that the correct definition?) are using very dirty trick to undermine his presidency (including the media)

I hope he does MAGA and proves to the world that the "establishments" are just corrupt back stabbers

I use the term establishments as referring to the political elite/media/big corporations - if it's the wrong wording then I apologise

It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to t …It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to their own (and views that are against political correctness) so have to try to justify it by assuming anyone who opposes them must be mentally ill. I’m no doctor mind, but my guess isit must be some mental defence mechanism to protect their fragile minds. It frequently ends up as a name calling or insult - type responses from the anti-Trump individuals rather than rational debate.it would be too easy to assume Theresa May and her supporters suffer a mental illness, but I know better and don’t sink to the lows of anti-trump haters.

Maybe if you'd actually read that thread instead of jumping on at the end without knowing what was being discussed you'd have noticed a lack of insults and rational debate (except when the Trump supporters tried woefully to stick up for him). But you preferred to guess what was being discussed as well.

3rd Dec 2017

Would continually banging on about Brexit and Trump be considered as a sign of mental illness?

3rd Dec 2017

But the senators ruined Obamacare, what was passed was a watered down version of what he wanted and campaigned upon, to placate the private healthcare providers of whom I'm sure many had vested interests or where lobbied hard by them...(so hard they almost tipped over from the uneven wieght distribution in their breast pockets )

Getting bogged down in nonsense is nonsense.The fact is Trump got enough …Getting bogged down in nonsense is nonsense.The fact is Trump got enough supporters to win, his opponents didn't.Focusing on slagging his supporters rather than looking at why their favourites were rejected only ensures they'll make the same mistakes again - and we end up with another Trump term on top of this one.

This is just some light banter and engaging in that doesn’t preclude one from looking at the bigger picture in detail if one chooses as they aren’t mutually exclusive.

Maybe if you'd actually read that thread instead of jumping on at the end …Maybe if you'd actually read that thread instead of jumping on at the end without knowing what was being discussed you'd have noticed a lack of insults and rational debate (except when the Trump supporters tried woefully to stick up for him). But you preferred to guess what was being discussed as well.

Have you considered actually discussing this thread rather than de-railing it into a previous one that was deleted? Your vendetta against trump is apparently also focused on forum members too, do let us know when the insults and name-calling are going to begin - it’s the best indicator of weakness and desperation.

It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to t …It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to their own (and views that are against political correctness) so have to try to justify it by assuming anyone who opposes them must be mentally ill. I’m no doctor mind, but my guess isit must be some mental defence mechanism to protect their fragile minds. It frequently ends up as a name calling or insult - type responses from the anti-Trump individuals rather than rational debate.it would be too easy to assume Theresa May and her supporters suffer a mental illness, but I know better and don’t sink to the lows of anti-trump haters.

Trump should invite all those that strongly disapprove to move to a …Trump should invite all those that strongly disapprove to move to a country with a stark difference in Leadership. North Korea would be a fine example for instance - it’s ideal. It’s citizens are brainwashed to hate Trump, so they would fit in rather well

You're right it's best not to sink to those lows and stick to facts and debate.

3rd Dec 2017

So it transpires BrexitTrumpitus is extremely contagious. Be aware but don't be afraid.

Have you considered actually discussing this thread rather than de-railing …Have you considered actually discussing this thread rather than de-railing it into a previous one that was deleted? Your vendetta against trump is apparently also focused on forum members too, do let us know when the insults and name-calling are going to begin - it’s the best indicator of weakness and desperation.

I clearly did consider discussing this thread as I posted about the contents of this thread.

Let's see what I replied to which was by definition in this thread:

"It’s basically where they cannot comprehend views that are different to their own (and views that are against political correctness) so have to try to justify it by assuming anyone who opposes them must be mentally ill. I’m no doctor mind, but my guess isit must be some mental defence mechanism to protect their fragile minds. It frequently ends up as a name calling or insult - type responses from the anti-Trump individuals rather than rational debate.

it would be too easy to assume Theresa May and her supporters suffer a mental illness, but I know better and don’t sink to the lows of anti-trump haters."

So, people cannot comprehend views that are different to their own? I don't see any posts previous to yours that you're referring to. Can you please explain how that's about this thread?

Views that are against political correctness. Same as above.

Assuming anyone who opposes them must be mentally ill. Nobody assumed anyone was mentally illl but rather a question was asked about whether the administration would use that as an excuse if he resigned. How is that about this thread? Maybe you just skim read it, I'd accept that. What about the "anyone tthat opposes them" part, what does that have to do with comments in this thread?

You then say " it frequently ends up as name calling". There were 24 posts (op included) before you made this claim, with the only person close to name calling being the person you replied to and are siding with. Can you explain how such a comment describes this thread?

So unless you can explain how your post was about this thread, in which case I'll acknowledge and/or apologise for misunderstanding, I have to conclude that it was you that was talking about other threads, hence my reference to such.

What you call a vendetta against Trump and forum members is in reality me replying to people who support Trump but can't back up the comments they make. I understand it's frustrating that, unlike you, I can back up my comments but I don't see anything wrong with it. If you can't back up what you say don't blame me, I didn't ask you to say it.

Why would I be the one to let people know when the insults and name calling are going to begin? It's almost like you're suggesting that to be the type of thing I do. The closest I've come to that in all of my posts on this forum was an oblique reference where I said I was laughing at clowns. It wasn't in lieu of an argument or defence, and it's hardly offensive. The only other time I came close to posting such was moderated so unseen, and was after dismantling with rational and logical points a disgusting attempt to suggest that criticising Trump means one supports ISIS. Not an excuse, I don't name call so shouldn't have done that. I notice you make such accusations with ease and regularity so let's see you back this one up (or let's find out if you have an excuse for not backing up your accusation (my money is on I've made a long rambling post making an appearance) or whether you just won't respond).

Maybe if you'd actually read that thread instead of jumping on at the end …Maybe if you'd actually read that thread instead of jumping on at the end without knowing what was being discussed you'd have noticed a lack of insults and rational debate (except when the Trump supporters tried woefully to stick up for him). But you preferred to guess what was being discussed as well.

Thats discussion about a previous thread that has been deleted. Big clue there was your reference to "That thread"

So, people cannot comprehend views that are different to their own? I …So, people cannot comprehend views that are different to their own? I don't see any posts previous to yours that you're referring to. Can you please explain how that's about this thread?

See the title of this thread. It is regarding Trump having a mental illness (something that is a wild accusation in itself). Other (anti) Trump individuals also made comments about his supporters' mental states (see the top comment from Agharta)

Nobody assumed anyone was mentally illl but rather a question was asked …Nobody assumed anyone was mentally illl but rather a question was asked about whether the administration would use that as an excuse if he resigned. How is that about this thread? Maybe you just skim read it, I'd accept that.

Twist words much? Again - read the thread title. "Trumps mental illness" if that isnt a leading title then i dont know what is... coupled with: "If he resigns he will do so because of his mental health but it will be dressed up as something else." written by the OP. You are missing the huge sign that they are stating "Trump has a mental illness". You're not helping your credibility here Bryan.

What you call a vendetta against Trump and forum members is in reality me …What you call a vendetta against Trump and forum members is in reality me replying to people who support Trump but can't back up the comments they make. I understand it's frustrating that, unlike you, I can back up my comments but I don't see anything wrong with it. If you can't back up what you say don't blame me, I didn't ask you to say it.

Everything i've said thus far has been backed up where appropriate. However as yet, i have not needed to cite any references on this thread though i shall do where required. I haven't seen any official indication of Trump having a mental illness - care to submit official medical proof of him doing so?Nor have i felt the need to send a PM to try and justify my posts either.

Why would I be the one to let people know when the insults and name …Why would I be the one to let people know when the insults and name calling are going to begin? It's almost like you're suggesting that to be the type of thing I do. The closest I've come to that in all of my posts on this forum was an oblique reference where I said I was laughing at clowns. It wasn't in lieu of an argument or defence, and it's hardly offensive. The only other time I came close to posting such was moderated so unseen, and was after dismantling with rational and logical points a disgusting attempt to suggest that criticising Trump means one supports ISIS. Not an excuse, I don't name call so shouldn't have done that. I notice you make such accusations with ease and regularity so let's see you back this one up (or let's find out if you have an excuse for not backing up your accusation (my money is on I've made a long rambling post making an appearance) or whether you just won't respond).

Finally, the very fact you have had at least 1 or more posts deleted/moderated on the subject speaks volumes. You should know that i don't hold grudges against anyone on here - not you or even Destard or HEAWD, if its an entirely different topic then i will agree/disagree where appropriate, hence i rarely cite comments from other threads (though i'm partially doing it here as its left me little choice)Oh and I'd like to know where i stated anyone who doesn't support Trump must support ISIS. I strongly suspect you're misinterpreting what i said or taking it entirely out of context.

There - nice, broken down reply to keep it straightforward. Let me know what you fail to understand.