Chad is a creation of 4chan and the original Chad memes come from an angry hapa/Asian. Forget about Chad.

80/20 is real however. Genealogical analysis of X and Y Chromosomes show that 80% of all women who ever lived reproduced. For Men the number is 39%, with the most common half found 3 times as often as the least common.

That’s 80/20 exactly.

Another clue that 80/20 is still in effect even today is the rates of STD infection. STDs differ in their sex rates and some STDs are particularly easy or hard for women to catch. Most STD rates, however, male rates of infection outnumber female rates by up to 20%.

However, take the homosexual men (and women) out of the equation, and women are 1.5-4 times as likely to have STDs as men.

There are a ton of women dating the few infected men, even as there are a ton of dudes barely ever getting laid.

(11-24-2018 04:16 AM)N°6 Wrote: Once the very separate online and RL dimensions reach total eclipse, we will see a crash of the sexual free market as it would mean the bottom 50% risk inceldom (defined as less than 2 sexual partners per year).

What does this look like in real life? It seems we will see it by 2030.

Mainstreaming of cougar LTRs as opposed to the sex orientated nature of cougar interactions of today.

More Lost Boys going rogue.

In Europe, the number of Muslim men of fighting age equalling the numbers of European men of fighting age. Muslim SMP remaining protected by tariffs (i.e. converting to Islam), while the European SMP remains a liberal market place under WTO/ GATT Treaty rules.

Quote:I think the old dividing line between photographs (online SMV) and what used to be called “real life” is gone.

In the smartphone era, the media is the message. The media is tinder, bumble and especially Instagram.

No.

Being active in real life has become more powerful than ever before. While everyone is addicted to online crap, girls crave for real life contact.

A woman you meet in real life might like real life contact (personally I think social media is asocial and perhaps anti-social) but fewer women are capable of real life contact.

Moreover, you would be speaking to someone who has thousands of likes and offers for cock, safely tucked away in the smartphone in her handbag. That is going to have some sort of influence on how she values your attention.

Quote:Moreover, you would be speaking to someone who has thousands of likes and offers for cock...

Thousands of pixelated and desperate cocks. And when she decides to meet one of them for real they turn out to be awkward socially and sexually inept cocks.

Then she meets some random guy who approaches her on the street and makes her smile for a bit. She be forgetting about those pixel cocks real quick.

It is funny. But most girls actually hate social media and smartphones even while they be on it whole day. They hate it because it is boring. They hate it because getting stalked by thousands of horny cocks. They hate it because it is replacing real human contact, something we humans are wired for.

It makes approaching a blast. Often girls get real excited when approached. It is increasingly becoming the ONE interesting thing that happens to her for whole week or even month.

Few weeks ago I approached a lonely girl inside an office. Right under nose of guys who work there and pay her salary. Guys who make considerable more money than I do. Guys who dress better than I do. Guys who look better than I do. Guys who are more social than I am.

Guys who do not know how to talk to girls.

Pulled her right away during her break while she was supposed to go have lunch with these jokers. Her phone be beeping whole time. She did not even look at it once. And all I did was walk inside (while I was not supposed to), ignoring all these guys and invite her for lunch.

Only three ways to do something: "The right way. The wrong way. Or my way. Obviously my way is best."

Always makes me laugh when guys say something like this.
As if you are floating on a cloud above us all.

Well, it's not my problem if you understand it on the wrong way, as if I was saying that I am better than you or anyone. Relax your ego.

Not at all. I just mean, matter of taste.
I am not saying that Im a badass slaying pussies. Just that even in a group of 10 girls that are 7-8, perhaps I would connect with 5, 6... I dont know. I cant do 'click' with all people, and I dont force myself to get attracted.
And if in the same group, you connect with all of then and then fuck them, it's all ok.
It doesnt mean that you or me are better than anyone.

PS. Maybe I used wrong words for english language and it seemed kind of arrogant.. Xcuse me, I am spanish speaker.

(11-19-2018 01:01 PM)tugofpeace Wrote: See the thing is, I understand all of this from a hookup standpoint. I just don't get it for relationships. What I see most of the time is that the vast majority of guys out there are beta, and the women they settle down with usually aren't the stereotypical women who fuck alphas their entire lives and settle with a beta. They're just normal women.
What this forum preaches is that women will only settle with alpha males and that if you're not one of them, you'll basically be a MGTOW type person and be alone your entire life. I don't question that if you're not part of the 20%, it will be difficult to get laid, but I don't believe that you have to be part of the 20% to settle down.
As for the "Chad" theory, I don't doubt that it's easy for them, as my roommate was as Chad as a Chad could get. I've seen it first hand, and this was before dating apps. Thing is, even he settled down and he's dating a girl who's physically a 5-6, but she makes a lot of $ and probably has a great personality. This type of person really is extremely rare though. I think it's blown way out of proportion.

This isn't a fucking relationship forum. That's why we don't obsess over the correct way to juggle holding your GF's purse and multiple shopping bags while strolling through the mall.

I'm going point something out to you about human thinking. We sometimes need extreme type thinking to help us move in the right direction. Most of the guys on here are not just dedicated to pussy. Most of the guys on this forum either do have or should have a ruthless dedication to self improvement. I think more than anything... THAT is the true value we find here. In a society that is more focused on attacking anything traditionally masculine a lot of boys and young men are totally lost. Frankly, we need Red Pill 101 taught in every highschool, but it won't happen.

I've been in male model shape, and I've been 60lbs overweight. I can tell you from straight experience that the 80/20 rule is generally correct. It's a good rule of thumb for you to use when motivating yourself to improve into that top 20% of men, whether that means you are going for a financial goal, a fitness goal, or a social skills goal... it doesn't matter. Anyone who sees the 80/20 theory as an insurmountable problem has no reason to be here.

So, my suggestion is to stop Tugging your Piece, and start adding ideas of true value to the forum.

(11-28-2018 06:18 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote: Thousands of pixelated and desperate cocks. And when she decides to meet one of them for real they turn out to be awkward socially and sexually inept cocks.Then she meets some random guy who approaches her on the street and makes her smile for a bit. She be forgetting about those pixel cocks real quick.
It is funny. But most girls actually hate social media and smartphones even while they be on it whole day. They hate it because it is boring. They hate it because getting stalked by thousands of horny cocks. They hate it because it is replacing real human contact, something we humans are wired for.

I think this is KEY. You don't have to be funny or witty or really anything special. You just have to figure out how to unlock your own sense of fun. The goal of any interaction should be to enjoy yourself and have fun. This is the type of energy you need to put out to the world.

(11-24-2018 04:16 AM)N°6 Wrote: Once the very separate online and RL dimensions reach total eclipse, we will see a crash of the sexual free market as it would mean the bottom 50% risk inceldom (defined as less than 2 sexual partners per year).

What does this look like in real life? It seems we will see it by 2030.

Mainstreaming of cougar LTRs as opposed to the sex orientated nature of cougar interactions of today.

More Lost Boys going rogue.

In Europe, the number of Muslim men of fighting age equalling the numbers of European men of fighting age. Muslim SMP remaining protected by tariffs (i.e. converting to Islam), while the European SMP remains a liberal market place under WTO/ GATT Treaty rules.

(11-27-2018 08:23 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote: Only thing you need to show is that you are sexual. That you are the kind of guy who will fuck her brains out and make her beg for more, without making any fuzz about it. Just displaying this one quality lifts you into this top 20%/10%/5% instantly.

Agreed. I think one of the things that has recently kicked my results up a notch is getting bigger and dressing in such a way that the show muscles are out. Also just changing up my eye contact and sometimes even giving girls the visual once over. For a lot of girls it creates a situation where my approach is "warm" since they're already thinking of me in a sexual way.

A lot of guys? They meekly slink around women and it shows in their results.

.Disclaimer: I wrote this 'text' not really knowing where it was supposed to go or how I would make it end. It is imperfect. Please do not hammer me on the head for the flaws ans simplistic views. Disclaimer this and that...

"Alpha Fux, Beta Bux".

Let's talk about evolution. As living being on this Earth your "purpose" is to survive in the first place and reproduce second. This is in fact what makes you alive. Your DNA continues forward to the next generation if you succeed. It is this DNA that is important, not you. Every ancestor you have, since beginning of life, has been successful at these tasks and that is why you have been born.

Simple this far. Kindergarten stuff.

Woman sexual strategy is dualistic in nature. She has two goals to accomplish to be successful at reproduction and uses different methods to do this. First goal is to stay alive and preferably be healthy. She needs rescourses and protection for this. Like food and someone to kill scary spiders.

Many men are useful to provide food and kill spiders. You do not need very special men to do this. We love sharing our food and showing off our strength by killing spiders. And a good way to attract men is to offer a trade; promise of sex (reproduction possibility) for "food and spider killing services" in return.

This is the "Beta Bux" side of the story.

You get sex for killing spiders and giving some of your food away. In a sense this sex comes from a "transaction".

The second thing a woman needs to be a successful living being on Earth is "good seed" to produce a baby. And although killing spiders might sound impressive to some. She is looking for the seed of someone a bit more impressive. She wants the best available seed.

What does she look for? This is the big question males been asking since beginning of times.

She is looking for males that have a high "survival value". It is very Darwinistic. It is life. It is evolution. She be looking for males that display dominance over their environment. Males that are in control and are not fearful or timid. Males that basically scream: "I rule over this world!" and sound believable. Males that appear to be able to survive and even thrive in the world.

It is survival of the fittest (most adaptable in environment).

She will desire a male like this. Deeply.

Does this mean you should conquer the world and become emperor? That certainly be a good way to go about it. It is however entirely unnecessary. Because even if you be emperor, not all girls get the magnificent chance to have sex with you. They be having to settle for someone of lesser grandeur.

What makes you one of these "legendary" Alpha super males?

Not much. You already have all the qualities in you. Your line of DNA has survived this far all since the beginning of life. That must count for something.

The thing to remember is that sex is a biological thing. Its purpose it to make babies. Sounds like kindergarten stuff again. But it is important. Our instincts are still the same as 100.000 years ago. Before we had anything that even looked like society or civilization.

And these instincts are looking for the same "triggers" as 100.000 years ago. We as males look at tits and ass to determine whether we want sex or not. We do not care about how much money she makes. Or about how smart she is. None of that makes our dicks hard. We look for fertility and good health. This is because we want her to survive the birth and raise the kid. Infertile and unhealthy woman are not suitable for this purpose. They die before giving birth (back in those days).

Woman look for something different: Survival value.

It is not important whether or not you survive birth. Making babies costs you nothing except a few minutes of your time. For a woman making babies is a costly thing to do. You, as a male, are easy to replace. Your "purpose" in the dynamic is to take the risks. Risks that we, as a species, can not afford to let woman take. Woman after all need to make babies.

You need to display the qualities of a man that can do this and take this role upon him. This means you not only need to kill scary spiders. You might have to defeat a scary lion as well. And when your tribe or group gets attacked by other tribes you should not run away in fear.

When you encounter strange and unknown plants. You need to taste first. Perhaps it is poison and your dead will inform the group of this fact. You are replaceable. You might have to climb into trees to grab a coconut or something. Perhaps you fall and die. That is your role. Your "purpose" in the male / female structure.

Who do you think is the Alpha male?

The guy who runs away when a lion appears? Or the guy who grabs a spear and attacks it full on and then dies a horrific dead?

Fun fact: You do not have to fight lions. You just have to look like you are not the guy who runs away.

Perhaps I write more in the near future to dive deeper into this "legendary" Alpha male. Or perhaps not.
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Only three ways to do something: "The right way. The wrong way. Or my way. Obviously my way is best."

The 80/20 rule gets applied to alot of things, not just the SMP.
As mentioned above it comes from the Pareto Principle. This principle can be applied to any economy, including the SMP. It is not meant to be treated as a clear truth. It should just illustrate that there is a minority of men sleeping with a majority of women who are on the SMP, but not necessarily a hard 80/20

I get that the focus of the forum isn't necessarily on relationships, but they should be a big part of any conversation regarding game and sexual dynamics. The majority of sexually active people period are in relationships. Serious relationships are a huge dimension of interaction between men and women. A lot of manosphere truisms fall completely flat within the scope of serious relationships. As I've said earlier, the 80/20 rule fails when it comes to relationships. "Alpha fucks and beta bucks" also frequently fails when it comes to girls in relationships (who are not insignificant in number at all and probably outnumber women who purely want casual sex). I personally believe that a lot of manosphere ideology/talking points are centered around people's inability to form genuine bonds with women. Roosh's latest writings are full of bitterness against meaningless casual sex and lament how there aren't any good women anymore. This is also bullshit, as there are millions of men, even in the west, who in fulfilling relationships with so-called "good women". I am in one currently and so are many of my friends.

The manosphere was instrumental in getting a lot of young men off their asses and forcing them out of inceldom. Unfortunately, platforms like RSD and even this site teach a truckload of bullshit that needs to be unlearned in order to have a satisfying life.

The endless navel gazing about whether its 80/20, 95/5, 60/40 is a waste of time. What ultimately matters is what you are going to do to improve your situation with life and with women. Anything else is meaningless mental masturbation.

Always makes me laugh when guys say something like this.
As if you are floating on a cloud above us all.

Well, it's not my problem if you understand it on the wrong way, as if I was saying that I am better than you or anyone. Relax your ego.

Not at all. I just mean, matter of taste.
I am not saying that Im a badass slaying pussies. Just that even in a group of 10 girls that are 7-8, perhaps I would connect with 5, 6... I dont know. I cant do 'click' with all people, and I dont force myself to get attracted.
And if in the same group, you connect with all of then and then fuck them, it's all ok.
It doesnt mean that you or me are better than anyone.

PS. Maybe I used wrong words for english language and it seemed kind of arrogant.. Xcuse me, I am spanish speaker.

Actually, it IS your problem if he misunderstands you because you are by your own admission not a native English speaker. If you'd said that in the beginning he would've likely asked you to clarify or at least had that context when replying. Instead, you used it as an excuse afterwards and called HIM arrogant.

The arrogant one is the one that has a poor grasp on a language and instead of letting the others know that, he tells them it's not his problem that they don't understand him. That's hugely arrogant.

(11-27-2018 09:09 PM)Zoso Wrote: Less than 20% of girls deserve my game/time/carisma.
This is why i started to learn game.

Id must be payed to be in that 'great' 20% of guys.

It would be more accurate to say that you started to learn game because you are not getting the girls you want. This is the same as for a guy who is not getting ANY girls and would settle for girls you wouldn't consider.

To say you would need to be paid in order to be in the top 20% of the guys that are getting the majority of the women is a fundamental understanding of the principle. I'll explain more below:

(11-27-2018 01:12 PM)Zoso Wrote: What is the proof that 20% guys are fucking 80% girls?

Fellas, even if I have a group of 100 random girls, most probably I would find hot and fuckable just 20-30, being generous.
So, I would not want to be in the 20% of guys that are banging not so pretty girls.

For this 4-6 girls, I would prefer P4P.

There have been good posts showing how we know that 20% of the guys are getting 80% of the women so I won't go into that further.

The very fact that you are talking about only the girls you would find hot and fuckable (the more attractive ones who have the qualities you desire) shows that you misunderstand the principle. The 20% of women that the 80% of guys are getting are by definition the lowest quality, foremost in terms of attractiveness, but also in other secondary qualities.

The reality is that the guys who are fucking the hottest but sluttiest girls (or that have some other quality you find a turn off) are likely a small subset of this 20%. Likely within the top 2-3% of the ENTIRE pool of men.

What you want to be is somewhere in that 20% but NOT in the very top who don't care if a woman has the qualities to be a good seamstress (or whatever quality you're looking for).

Think of it this way. You want to be in the top 20% of income. This means you're likely going to need to be working for yourself (such as a freelancer/contractor) or have your own business. Just because you choose qualities that are more important to you (such as flexibility of your schedule or long-term contracting/job stability) doesn't mean that you'd want to be in that bottom 80%.

Also, we do not advocate P4P here, so that's a bad idea to encourage in any way.

(11-29-2018 05:35 PM)Zoso Wrote: Using tinder to get statistics is like going to a brothel where few women workers are having sex more than 8 times a day with a lot of guys.

It simple doesn't show the average reality.

No, it's not. It's not even close to that. Assuming they used good methodology it's representative of Tinder users and likely most dating apps like it. Considering that these dating apps are the most common way to meet someone (at least the lowest effort method), it's at minimum something to consider.

Your defeatist/negative attitude is not going to get you anywhere with women and certainly not all that far in life. I suggest you knock it off and try a different approach.

(11-29-2018 07:35 PM)Jaxon Wrote: The manosphere was instrumental in getting a lot of young men off their asses and forcing them out of inceldom. Unfortunately, platforms like RSD and even this site teach a truckload of bullshit that needs to be unlearned in order to have a satisfying life.

This site meaning all the stuff anyone posts, or do you mean this site as in the high quality posts by the highly repped and highly respected members. If you're not focusing your learning on this site from only the highly repped and highly respected members, then YOU are accepting a truckload of bullshit.

Always makes me laugh when guys say something like this.
As if you are floating on a cloud above us all.

Well, it's not my problem if you understand it on the wrong way, as if I was saying that I am better than you or anyone. Relax your ego.

Not at all. I just mean, matter of taste.
I am not saying that Im a badass slaying pussies. Just that even in a group of 10 girls that are 7-8, perhaps I would connect with 5, 6... I dont know. I cant do 'click' with all people, and I dont force myself to get attracted.
And if in the same group, you connect with all of then and then fuck them, it's all ok.
It doesnt mean that you or me are better than anyone.

PS. Maybe I used wrong words for english language and it seemed kind of arrogant.. Xcuse me, I am spanish speaker.

Actually, it IS your problem if he misunderstands you because you are by your own admission not a native English speaker. If you'd said that in the beginning he would've likely asked you to clarify or at least had that context when replying. Instead, you used it as an excuse afterwards and called HIM arrogant.

The arrogant one is the one that has a poor grasp on a language and instead of letting the others know that, he tells them it's not his problem that they don't understand him. That's hugely arrogant.

(11-27-2018 09:09 PM)Zoso Wrote: Less than 20% of girls deserve my game/time/carisma.
This is why i started to learn game.

Id must be payed to be in that 'great' 20% of guys.

It would be more accurate to say that you started to learn game because you are not getting the girls you want. This is the same as for a guy who is not getting ANY girls and would settle for girls you wouldn't consider.

To say you would need to be paid in order to be in the top 20% of the guys that are getting the majority of the women is a fundamental understanding of the principle. I'll explain more below:

(11-27-2018 01:12 PM)Zoso Wrote: What is the proof that 20% guys are fucking 80% girls?

Fellas, even if I have a group of 100 random girls, most probably I would find hot and fuckable just 20-30, being generous.
So, I would not want to be in the 20% of guys that are banging not so pretty girls.

For this 4-6 girls, I would prefer P4P.

There have been good posts showing how we know that 20% of the guys are getting 80% of the women so I won't go into that further.

The very fact that you are talking about only the girls you would find hot and fuckable (the more attractive ones who have the qualities you desire) shows that you misunderstand the principle. The 20% of women that the 80% of guys are getting are by definition the lowest quality, foremost in terms of attractiveness, but also in other secondary qualities.

The reality is that the guys who are fucking the hottest but sluttiest girls (or that have some other quality you find a turn off) are likely a small subset of this 20%. Likely within the top 2-3% of the ENTIRE pool of men.

What you want to be is somewhere in that 20% but NOT in the very top who don't care if a woman has the qualities to be a good seamstress (or whatever quality you're looking for).

Think of it this way. You want to be in the top 20% of income. This means you're likely going to need to be working for yourself (such as a freelancer/contractor) or have your own business. Just because you choose qualities that are more important to you (such as flexibility of your schedule or long-term contracting/job stability) doesn't mean that you'd want to be in that bottom 80%.

Also, we do not advocate P4P here, so that's a bad idea to encourage in any way.

(11-29-2018 05:35 PM)Zoso Wrote: Using tinder to get statistics is like going to a brothel where few women workers are having sex more than 8 times a day with a lot of guys.

It simple doesn't show the average reality.

No, it's not. It's not even close to that. Assuming they used good methodology it's representative of Tinder users and likely most dating apps like it. Considering that these dating apps are the most common way to meet someone (at least the lowest effort method), it's at minimum something to consider.

Your defeatist/negative attitude is not going to get you anywhere with women and certainly not all that far in life. I suggest you knock it off and try a different approach.

(11-29-2018 07:35 PM)Jaxon Wrote: The manosphere was instrumental in getting a lot of young men off their asses and forcing them out of inceldom. Unfortunately, platforms like RSD and even this site teach a truckload of bullshit that needs to be unlearned in order to have a satisfying life.

This site meaning all the stuff anyone posts, or do you mean this site as in the high quality posts by the highly repped and highly respected members. If you're not focusing your learning on this site from only the highly repped and highly respected members, then YOU are accepting a truckload of bullshit.

@AneroidOcean

I'll go a little bit tangent here . I have been reading this thread and it gets me thinking .
How would you know if you are in 20% ?
The reason I am asking is because I am, by no means , handsome . I am not ugly though . But what happened this year was mind blowing for me .
1- Three girls ( 6,7, and 5) stopped me and opened me in the street . My game sucks so I couldn't close . One of them even suggested going to happy hour after we talk for like 20 min.
2- Whenever I go out, I got a lot of IOI's .
3- A coworker blushed , breathed heavily and played with her earlobe and hair when I talked to her. She even touched my biceps, and rubbed my back. She has a BF btw.
I am 5'6" , brown dude, very well dressed, and average build. My game is still so bad . When I say bad, I mean very bad. I fuck up with "yes" girls . This is how bad my game is.

Either I am in the top 20% or this rule doesn't exist. Or maybe I am underestimating my quality

(11-29-2018 09:20 PM)Anchor Man Wrote: I am 5'6" , brown dude, very well dressed, and average build. My game is still so bad . When I say bad, I mean very bad. I fuck up with "yes" girls . This is how bad my game is.

Either I am in the top 20% or this rule doesn't exist. Or maybe I am underestimating my quality

It's the latter.

If you are 5'6", brown, and average build, with no other distinguishing features, you're simply not in the top 20%, no matter how well you dress.

The only way to truly get an idea of the percentiles is to spend some time around guys that actually are in that top 20%. I have done so, and it is eye-opening.

We're not talking about IOIs on the street from 5-7s. We are talking about legit stunners sending them nudes with no provocation. Girls begging them to bust raw. Girls double and triple texting them. Thousands of Tinder matches, etc. It's quite thrilling to be around.

(11-29-2018 09:20 PM)Anchor Man Wrote: I am 5'6" , brown dude, very well dressed, and average build. My game is still so bad . When I say bad, I mean very bad. I fuck up with "yes" girls . This is how bad my game is.

Either I am in the top 20% or this rule doesn't exist. Or maybe I am underestimating my quality

It's the latter.

If you are 5'6", brown, and average build, with no other distinguishing features, you're simply not in the top 20%, no matter how well you dress.

The only way to truly get an idea of the percentiles is to spend some time around guys that actually are in that top 20%. I have done so, and it is eye-opening.

We're not talking about IOIs on the street from 5-7s. We are talking about legit stunners sending them nudes with no provocation. Girls begging them to bust raw. Girls double and triple texting them. Thousands of Tinder matches, etc. It's quite thrilling to be around.

It's far simpler than that. You can likely calculate it as there is data out there on how many lifetime partners the average male or female has. If you are significantly above the average (I won't attempt to do math right now as I've had a couple beers since I last posted in here), you are likely in that top 20%. In this case I doubt he's in the 20% but with some self-improvement (especially in game) you could be in that top 20%. Remember that most guys have far lower than double-digit notch counts in their lifetime.

That's crazy to think about, but it's true.

Just like when people in the USA talk about the "1%" financially, if you look at how skewed the whole world is, just by virtue of living in the USA and not being at the extreme poverty level you are actually in the 1%. The truly wealthy in the USA are the 10% of the 1% (pulling that out of my ass but the point is that the 1% is far broader of a category than you'd think).

(11-29-2018 09:20 PM)Anchor Man Wrote: I am 5'6" , brown dude, very well dressed, and average build. My game is still so bad . When I say bad, I mean very bad. I fuck up with "yes" girls . This is how bad my game is.

Either I am in the top 20% or this rule doesn't exist. Or maybe I am underestimating my quality

It's the latter.

If you are 5'6", brown, and average build, with no other distinguishing features, you're simply not in the top 20%, no matter how well you dress.

The only way to truly get an idea of the percentiles is to spend some time around guys that actually are in that top 20%. I have done so, and it is eye-opening.

We're not talking about IOIs on the street from 5-7s. We are talking about legit stunners sending them nudes with no provocation. Girls begging them to bust raw. Girls double and triple texting them. Thousands of Tinder matches, etc. It's quite thrilling to be around.

It's far simpler than that. You can likely calculate it as there is data out there on how many lifetime partners the average male or female has. If you are significantly above the average (I won't attempt to do math right now as I've had a couple beers since I last posted in here), you are likely in that top 20%. In this case I doubt he's in the 20% but with some self-improvement (especially in game) you could be in that top 20%. Remember that most guys have far lower than double-digit notch counts in their lifetime.

That's crazy to think about, but it's true.

Just like when people in the USA talk about the "1%" financially, if you look at how skewed the whole world is, just by virtue of living in the USA and not being at the extreme poverty level you are actually in the 1%. The truly wealthy in the USA are the 10% of the 1% (pulling that out of my ass but the point is that the 1% is far broader of a category than you'd think).

Thank you. This method won't be applicable for me for many reasons : 1- I started really late . I started the game last year.
2- As I said , my game is really really bad. You have no idea how bad it is.

Anyway, I really appreciate the comments . I don't want to make the thread about me though .

I went to a college with a big greek life. If you went to a party at the top house the ratios of girls to guys to was 4:1, sometimes higher and these girls were hot, if you went to a party at low status house the ratio wasn't even 1:1, and the girls that were they were usually sub par.

Now they were plenty of girls at the top houses that weren't getting talked to, and they could have gone to a lower status houses and gotten more attention. But they'd rather fight for the attention of the high status men, then been seen dead with low status men.

That's what I think of when I hear 80/20, the exact number doesn't matter, and not all girls follow it, but it's definitely a trend I've noticed in younger hotter women before I even knew what game/red pill was.

@Aneroid Ocean -- Roosh himself has articulated ideas that are either completely wrong or have blown up his face. The dude spent years and years talking about how hypergamous and broken American women are, yet suddenly did a 180 bemoaning how it's impossible for him to find a quality woman and how he wasted years of his life "enjoying the decline".

Meanwhile, there are probably millions of men in America and hundreds of millions around the world who are in relatively satisfying relationships with women they're attracted to and love. This is not a tiny, "dark-triad" slice of the population, this is a very large group of men who have essentially achieved the impossible in the eyes of the manosphere. Most of them have probably never heard of the red pill or the manosphere.

There are millions of normal, non-"game" aware men across the West who are essentially outperforming Roosh every day of their lives.

I respect game and the manosphere for getting me off my ass and forcing me to approach. I was an awkward, insecure kid when I discovered it in my teens. Roosh and RSD deserve full credit for helping me get my first few lays, get over approach anxiety, and get comfortable spitting game. But as time went on, the issues in their approach/ideology got more and more apparent, at least to me. I think it's important to be critical of game gurus and their teachings.

The best posts on this forum come from guys like LINUX who also call bullshit on a lot of the "truisms" in the manosphere. But for every one of their posts, there are a hundred posts about the 80/20 rule, hypergamy, the decline of morality among American women -- even from guys like Roosh. RSD will put out a million videos about how spam approaching and acting like an autistic ape will get you "major pussy". There's a grain of truth to all these teachings, but the fact is that most of them do not deserve the level of scrutiny and attention that they currently receive.