(07-27-2016, 11:25 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: A tyranny doesn't really need a honest press as much as a democracy does.

Agreed. Democracy relies on it, and tyranny is undermined by it. But can honesty be truly black and white?

Pretty much, yeah. You can limit information such as personal information to protect individuals, but truth should be absolute and not subject to opinion. And a tyranny would not necessarily be undermined by a honest press if it has the people's best interests at heart.

That's where trust and communication comes in. I don't think you fully understand the extent of your country's deterioration. It's not normal for citizens to live in fear of the police, or the police to live in fear of the citizens. Your media curates narrations so people can hear what they want to hear and ignore everything they want. Hell your two presidential candidates are Trump, who bullshits left right and center and Clinton, who is surrounded by scandal and accusations of corruption. In Canada candidates like those would never had made it this far, and would be asked to step down from even the most minor position in the government. You haven't had a viable third party ever as far as I'm aware of, and the only ones you have (such as the Libertarian) focus on such extremes that they cannot be accepted by the vast majority of citizens. You're entire society has an "Us vs Them" mentality where there is little room for middle ground that people can agree to. Any topic devolves into an attack on the other party while trying to promote your own. A shooter runs rampant in an elementary school just before Christmas? Oh no! Dey wanna take our guns! Hell even Batman is being pitted against Superman and the Avengers are infighting. The only reason why the country is even still running is because there are people fighting tooth and nail to desperately keep things running. I sincerely believe that if Bernie Sanders called for a Revolution yesterday instead of supporting Clinton, you would literally be in a full-fledged civil war right now.

(07-28-2016, 12:21 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: That's where trust and communication comes in. I don't think you fully understand the extent of your country's deterioration. It's not normal for citizens to live in fear of the police, or the police to live in fear of the citizens. Your media curates narrations so people can hear what they want to hear and ignore everything they want. Hell your two presidential candidates are Trump, who bullshits left right and center and Clinton, who is surrounded by scandal and accusations of corruption. In Canada candidates like those would never had made it this far, and would be asked to step down from even the most minor position in the government. You haven't had a viable third party ever as far as I'm aware of, and the only ones you have (such as the Libertarian) focus on such extremes that they cannot be accepted by the vast majority of citizens. You're entire society has an "Us vs Them" mentality where there is little room for middle ground that people can agree to. Any topic devolves into an attack on the other party while trying to promote your own. A shooter runs rampant in an elementary school just before Christmas? Oh no! Dey wanna take our guns! Hell even Batman is being pitted against Superman and the Avengers are infighting. The only reason why the country is even still running is because there are people fighting tooth and nail to desperately keep things running. I sincerely believe that if Bernie Sanders called for a Revolution yesterday instead of supporting Clinton, you would literally be in a full-fledged civil war right now.

I'm a bit closer to the situation in the US, and it's polarized for sure. We have an institutionalized two-party system that invariably promotes polarization. It is a system built upon honor, but power corrupts and undermines honor.

Revolting as Bernie's supporters may appear, they are not the ones who will start any sort of violent rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised if half the pro Bernie protestors in Filthydelphia are republicans.

I'm just saying he could've started it. All he would have to do is give a call to arms and his backers would be enough to let enough people to consider it to be a bona-fide revolution and join in on the fun, even if they don't support Bernie. Mob rule.

(07-28-2016, 11:31 PM)FuturDreamz Wrote: I'm just saying he could've started it. All he would have to do is give a call to arms and his backers would be enough to let enough people to consider it to be a bona-fide revolution and join in on the fun, even if they don't support Bernie. Mob rule.

I bet he could have done many things, but he didn't, and that's the factor. And even if he did, it doesn't mean that they would have.