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Re: The Red Sox Thread

Bobby V is truly a clown. After all of his comments about his own team, constantly getting booed by Bostonians, spring training jabs at teams and his inability to conduct a local interview without getting all heated... he cant even manage a game. Bard clearly should not have remained in there to face Longoria, he was gassed.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Cherington had to step in and mediate the dispute, I love his comments at the end about Bobby V learning from this...

Cherington wound up mediating the dispute.

“I think as with many things in baseball and life, the more you get a chance to talk about it and understand what people mean were and how they perceived something, that’s what allows you to get past it. Kevin and Bobby spoke. I spoke to Bobby, I spoke to Kevin. What needed to be said has been said and we’ll move forward,” Cherington said.

The GM said repeatedly after speaking to Valentine he felt the quote didn’t reflect what he was trying to say.

“I was surprised to see the quote. I didn’t see the interview live, but I had it in that context. I was surprised because that’s not something Bobby had expressed to me. And we’ve all seen Kevin play for a long time and never wondered why he wasn’t into the game. He plays hard every day. That’s why it’s important to talk about it. I understood better what happened and we were able to talk through it,” Cherington said.

Asked what he thought Valentine was trying to say, Cherington explained “[Valentine] hadn’t seen the same player on the field that we have all seen in the past. So he acknowledged that first of all, and said it was not the best way to express it. He told the same thing to Kevin and apologized. He had a chance to explain what he meant. I think we’ll all learn from it and handle it differently next time.”

All kidding aside, I think you MIGHT be able to explain away the physical part of the comment. As if he's not physically into the game due to an injury, soreness, etc. Bobby V. could state he didn't finish the thought, but that's what his intention was. At worst the implication could be he's not prepared to play due to poor conditioning.

When you bring in the emotional aspect, it's very difficult to just explain away. As the manager, he should be in tune with his players. When you openly discuss a players emotional state, perceived or reality, you are getting into an area that the fans and media have little real information to go by. It's also bordering on privileged information and Bobby probably did violate some trust on the team.

If they ask who was our star, give them 25 names, and if you forget our names, just tell them we were Yankees.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

While i think the pitches to Ross were bad in the 9th, this is not good for him to say, nor for Gonzalez:

"It's tough because I'm up there battling my butt off, trying to get something going right there in a late situation," Ross said. "For me, it's unacceptable. I'm bearing down, our whole team is bearing down. Everybody on the field should be bearing down.

"We've been playing this game for so long that you recognize pitches early, and you see them out of the hand and you say, 'that's a ball' and it crosses wherever, and it's [called] a strike. So, I've taught myself over the years to take those pitches and not expand my strike zone, make him make a mistake and he didn't make a mistake. As soon as it comes out of his hand, I'm in shutdown mode. What are you going to do? Just move on and get them tomorrow."

he acts like he can recognize every pitch that's a ball correctly.

Ross was frustrated - in part - because he said there's no accountabilitiy from the umpires.

"It's tough," Ross said. "That's the crazy thing about this game. If I'm going up there and I'm striking out every at-bat, I'm going to get benched. But it's not that way with them. They can make bad calls all day and they're not going to be held accountable for it. It's such a tough situation, believe me. I've umpired before, it's tough, it's hard. But at this level, you have to bear down. "

Adrian Gonzalez, who grounded out for the second out of the ninth, went even further in his criticism of Vanover.

"Those pitches that were called on Cody, that's just not right. They're in the left-handed hitter's box and the way I see it, we missed the playoffs by one game last year, and if he walks there how he should have, Sweeney gets a hit and we wind up winning, it could make a difference. Those three pitches to Cody, that shouldn't happen."

Re: The Red Sox Thread

That was annoying as ................. If I had been more emotionally invested in that game I would have been ................ing infuriated.

Originally Posted by ieddyi

Bard clearly had nothing left- he should have been lifted before he loaded the bases

FWIW, he seemed to be having trouble keeping his FB down even while he was doing well and that's part of what led to those early walks. You're right that he was clearly gassed and needed to be lifted, though. Pretty good results, but a better lineup might have made Bard pay for so many belt high and up fastballs.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

today it was 6 earned runs without retiring a single batter. He's been unimaginably bad this year.

According to the baseball-reference Play Index, Melancon was the first player since 1918 to allow at least 6 earned runs and at least 3 home runs in 0 innings.

Eight Texas hitters had at least 3 total bases. Going back to 1918 there have been only 11 games where nine or more teammates had at least 3 total bases (I don't how many times eight teammates did it). Tonight was also the sixth time since 1918 (and first time allowed by the Red Sox) that a team allowed at least 18 runs, at least 21 hits, at least 6 home runs, and at least 8 walks.