I don't think it has anything to do with Orthodox Christianity. I've heard the term as "inclusive orthodoxy,' with the small o, which is not the same as Orthodoxy. IIRC, "inclusive orthodoxy" comes out of Evangelical Protestantism.

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If you spend long enough on this forum, you'll come away with all sorts of weird, untrue ideas of Orthodox Christianity.

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I would suggest most persons in general avoid any question beginning with why.

In fact, I consider this to be dangerous and something we must protect the Church from. Things have dissolved almost to the point it was in the early Church which initiated the canonization of the scriptures to protect Christianity from all of the liars and false teachings.

Isn't funny how an Episcopal educates people about Orthodoxy? I suppose my question would be, "Why?" Why start this if it has nothing to do with your own denomination, church, ordaining body, etc.? Very dangerous indeed!

Isn't funny how an Episcopal educates people about Orthodoxy? I suppose my question would be, "Why?" Why start this if it has nothing to do with your own denomination, church, ordaining body, etc.? Very dangerous indeed!

Well of course because, as explained in the description of the book Homosexuality in the Orthodox Church, 'The conversation concerning the full inclusion of gays and lesbians in the Orthodox Church has not started in the same way it has in the Roman, Anglican, and Protestant churches.'

Until this presumptuous interloper came around to make sure that the conversation starts 'in the same way' as in the other religious bodies. Conversation, understand?

Have any Orthodox Bishops (those rightly dividing the word of the truth, anyhow) dialogued with this guy? Because someone really ought to make an effort to put him in his place.

Isn't funny how an Episcopal educates people about Orthodoxy? I suppose my question would be, "Why?" Why start this if it has nothing to do with your own denomination, church, ordaining body, etc.? Very dangerous indeed!

Well of course because, as explained in the description of the book Homosexuality in the Orthodox Church, 'The conversation concerning the full inclusion of gays and lesbians in the Orthodox Church has not started in the same way it has in the Roman, Anglican, and Protestant churches.'

Until this presumptuous interloper came around to make sure that the conversation starts 'in the same way' as in the other religious bodies. Conversation, understand?

Have any Orthodox Bishops (those rightly dividing the word of the truth, anyhow) dialogued with this guy? Because someone really ought to make an effort to put him in his place.

Isn't funny how an Episcopal educates people about Orthodoxy? I suppose my question would be, "Why?" Why start this if it has nothing to do with your own denomination, church, ordaining body, etc.? Very dangerous indeed!

When I was going to the Episcopal Church, I heard talk of great love of Eastern Christian traditions. Perhaps this is their shiny, new eastern branch and they're calling it "Orthodoxy"? (Have we got a copyright on that word or...)

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"At the Last Judgment I will not be asked whether I satisfactorily practiced asceticism, nor how many bows I have made before the divine altar. I will be asked whether I fed the hungry, clothed the naked, visited the sick, and the prisoner in his jail. That is all I will be asked." - Sv. Maria Skobotsova

That would be tricky to establish, as one could be an orthodox Calvinist or an Orthodox Jew without being an Orthodox Christian. As for Father Cannon (TWBAGBN), his approach seems rather curious. I can completely understand the desire to see a different sort of dialog about homosexuality among the Orthodox, but I can't see this as the best way to go about it. If anything, it's only going to encourage the sentiment that greater acceptance of homosexuality is liberal perversion that outsiders are attempting to force upon the Church. If it's gonna happen, it's gotta happen organically.

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"Some have such command of their bowels, that they can break wind continuously at pleasure, so as to produce the effect of singing."- St. Augustine of Hippo

Isn't funny how an Episcopal educates people about Orthodoxy? I suppose my question would be, "Why?" Why start this if it has nothing to do with your own denomination, church, ordaining body, etc.? Very dangerous indeed!

When I was going to the Episcopal Church, I heard talk of great love of Eastern Christian traditions. Perhaps this is their shiny, new eastern branch and they're calling it "Orthodoxy"? (Have we got a copyright on that word or...)

This is why I suggested people actually look at the webpage. He has mutiple references to Eastern and Coptic Orthodox.

Fr. Sergei has very good comments. He stands for both the Scripture and the Patristic Tradition, and I find his analysis to be more compelling than the Episcopalian Bishop's. Fr. Sergei also realizes the difference between state and the Sacrament of Marriage within the Church. Society can decide what they want, but the Sacraments will be the same.

The difficulty will be if the state tries to impose itself on the Church. And then there is all the cultural propaganda war surrounding this issue.

Now I just saw another thread requesting that homosexuality not be discussed on this board. I don't really care to discuss it, it's a non-starter issue in my opinion.

Just thought some might find it interesting to hear what Fr. Sergei had to say.

Please let me know if I should delete my post?

Thanks

Unless that person is a moderator of that thread, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. I found nothing wrong with your previous post. If that person is a moderator, do as they ask. The moderator of this thread is Carl Kraeff (Second Chance).

I'd never heard of it until I saw this thread.The difficulty will be if the state tries to impose itself on the Church.

And it is happening. Very difficult situation indeed.

Wasn't aware of that. In that case, it's comforting to hear a priest from Russia, where the Orthodox suffered so much, to say that the Sacraments will remain the same. He is the Priest at Holy New Martyrs of Russia, and some people may wonder why those martyrs are relevant to Americans...