So they aren't shocked, who cares. The point is that of all people, those who sign up to work over night at a retail store have absolutely nothing to say here. You clearly gave that story because they are forced to work the holiday as if that is something unexpected or unjust. Why should overnight workers have any say in whether or not they work overnight on one of the stores busiest days?

By definition an attempt to one up other retailers would be them opening at the same time or earlier. They knew when the competition was opening but they at least delayed it an hour.

I forgot to say that, if I remember right, they told them all that they'd be there overnight on Wednesday night/Thursday morning there normal hours (1 AM- 8 AM) to stock everything up, but that they'd also be scheduled later on in the day in order to open at 9 PM. Not sure if that changes anything for you but THAT'S the shitty part I was talking about.

What do you think Wal-Mart's earlier opening hours was in essence? They're doing it to get a leg up on the competition. Not the exact definition of "one-upping" but pretty damn close. Target is just following suit because they have to. But hey, they're opening an hour later than Wal-Mart; they must really care about their employees holidays, right!?

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Unless you are a person that has advocated for movie theater people working holidays in the past all you people complaining about this should just now.

Movie theaters are a bit different to me. First of all, as you mentioned, movie theaters have been open on holidays as long as I can remember. These retail employees were, until very recently, allowed to enjoy their holidays before dealing with the Black Friday madness. Secondly, and this is more a reflection of the culture of Black Friday than anything as others have pointed out, but a holiday spent at the movies or bowling alley with the family is so ridiculously different than running out to your local Wally World to get that TV you've wanted for cheap.

I don't like where it's heading; that's the problem I have.

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I can't think of very many people that wouldn't throw a shit fit if the Thanksgiving holiday they have always been allowed to have was forcably taken away from them.

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"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03

Also something to think about, a lot of times, the hours for Black Friday openings are kept under wraps until very near the holiday. My friend told me that they were told they'd opening at 9 PM on Thanksgiving only a couple weeks ago. I did a quick Google search of Wal-Mart's opening hours in 2011 and the front page had people asking (Yahoo! Answers) as late as November 9th.

I think black Friday is retarded and I have never once shopped on that day. However, some people just have to work on that day (many professions) and if you don't think retail is one of those, you are stupid.

I think black Friday is retarded and I have never once shopped on that day. However, some people just have to work on that day (many professions) and if you don't think retail is one of those, you are stupid.

If you took your job knowing this then I don't think it's a big deal. But if your employer changed their policy to require you to work then I think it is. Freakin retailers are open 363 other days. What is two freakin days off to them?

Seriously, has our conspicuous consumption society become so jaded that we can't even allow for TWO FREAKING DAYS to celebrate with family, community, or church? And if it has, what does that say about us?

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What is your job? The deal here is that people have to work on Thanksgiving because Target wants to leak black Friday into Thursday night.

I managed a movie theater through college. Everyone we hired knew they were going to work late, weekends, and holidays(3 shifts out of the 5 between Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve/Day, and New Years Eve/Day). The issue is a lot of places don't have this expectation. Knowing you will have to work every Black Friday and now being asked to work Thanksgiving night because Black Friday is now Black Thursday is a legit gripe IMO. I wouldn't quit over it, but if people were rallying to stop it I would be behind them.

If you took your job knowing this then I don't think it's a big deal. But if your employer changed their policy to require you to work then I think it is. Freakin retailers are open 363 other days. What is two freakin days off to them?

Seriously, has our conspicuous society become so jaded that we can't even allow for TWO FREAKING DAYS to celebrate with family, community, or church? And if it has what does that say about us?

Technically they said we have 6 paid holidays off, however, someone has to do therapy due to medicare laws. Since I am new there, I am likely expected to work as many of my colleagues will probably take it off.

A day is a day. I can save PTO and take time off at some other time to spend time with my family since I will be working holidays.

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What is your job? The deal here is that people have to work on Thanksgiving because Target wants to leak black Friday into Thursday night.

I managed a movie theater through college. Everyone we hired knew they were going to work late, weekends, and holidays(3 shifts out of the 5 between Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve/Day, and New Years Eve/Day). The issue is a lot of places don't have this expectation. Knowing you will have to work every Black Friday and now being asked to work Thanksgiving night because Black Friday is now Black Thursday is a legit gripe IMO. I wouldn't quit over it, but if people were rallying to stop it I would be behind them.

Speech Therapy. I think it is utterly retarded that retailers are open Thanksgiving night but such is life. I was pretty sure I was going to be getting holidays off too when I accepted a new job but I realize now that work still has to be done on that day and I am "encouraged/expected" to work most holidays. Plus the increased pay doesn't hurt.

It's never going to change unless the customers refused to go to the stores.

The people to blame are the customers in my mind.

I agree with this. I wish it would start becoming an embarrassing and shameful to be seen at these sales but instead it's trendy and all the rage. Even a guy being stampeded to death didn't stop people so a few people having to work on Thanksgiving evening won't.

I may shop online on Thanksgiving Day. I suppose some IT guy is having to give up time with his family to make sure the company website doesn't crash. However, I will NOT shop at a brick and mortar store on Thanksgiving Day unless it's a drug store like Walgreens or CVS which never closes. Opening on Thanksgiving was a terrible precedent started amongst big box retailers by Kmart a number of years ago and I gave up shopping with them because of it.

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BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid."
"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03

Technically they said we have 6 paid holidays off, however, someone has to do therapy due to medicare laws. Since I am new there, I am likely expected to work as many of my colleagues will probably take it off.

A day is a day. I can save PTO and take time off at some other time to spend time with my family since I will be working holidays.

Speech Therapy. I think it is utterly retarded that retailers are open Thanksgiving night but such is life. I was pretty sure I was going to be getting holidays off too when I accepted a new job but I realize now that work still has to be done on that day and I am "encouraged/expected" to work most holidays. Plus the increased pay doesn't hurt.

You have a high demand of patients on Thanksgiving?

__________________Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid."
"It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03