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Re: Nicole's "sudden" feelings for Eric, I do think that we've seen hints here and there. However, it really doesn't matter, IMO, because this is Kristen we're talking about -- she knows how to get inside a person's head. Whether Nicole has actually displayed feelings for Eric is irrelevant. Kristen's simply making an educated guess, and she manages to strike a nerve that forces Nicole to realize that Kristen is right.

We saw the exact same thing happen with Marlena -- Kristen made an educated guess that Marlena was secretly relieved that Kristen was going to be preoccupied with Brady and wouldn't have time to go after John. We hadn't seen any evidence of that, either, but Marlena knew that it was at least partially true.

Daniel has to cut his romantic getaway with Jenn short when Chloe calls in a panic over Parker. The doctor rushes back to the mansion and discovers that the kid is okay. He is not amused. He lashes out at the diva until Parker starts calling him ‘daddy’. That warms the cockles of his heart. Later, Jenn issues Chloe a stern warning. She and the doctor plan a night out with Brady and Kristen in Chicago. That’s not the only planning Jenn does. She also turns to Nicole for some advice on how to deal with the diva. Jenn feeds false information to Chloe about where she and the doctor are going. Chloe falls for it and is furious when her plans to interrupt them falls apart. When she gets home to Parker, she discovers he has a severely high temperature. Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to track Daniel down.Cam and Abby have breakfast together. They feel pretty optimistic about things. Meanwhile, Will doesn’t feel too optimistic. He hands Sonny back the keys to his place and reminds him that he loved him so much that he was willing to give up his own child for him.As John hunts down Stefano in Europe, Marlena lashes out at Kristen in Salem. She only succeeds in making things worse. The DiMera decides it is time to up the ante. She plans to jilt him at the altar. She soon discovers she might have trouble getting him there though. When she mentions marriage to him, he laughs in her face. He explains that it’s too fast and he wouldn’t want to rub that in his father’s face. She claims John wouldn’t have to know. He still doesn’t like the idea. Meanwhile, Victor presses to have Nicole arrested for stealing Titan files. Hope manages to talk him out of it. Kristen decides to try and forge a truce with Nicole. That fails. The DiMera points out how obvious Nic’s lust for Eric is. Nicole is appalled but can’t hide the truth and does her best to avoid the priest, which confuses him.Elvis and Sami hit the sheets. Although that makes her feel warm and fuzzy, not everyone is feeling so good about it. When Brady hears she has reunited with him, he thinks she’s being a twit. The news of the naked nookie continues to spread. Johnny knows all about it and blabs to Rafe. He declares that was the final nail in the coffin for that relationship. Caroline and Gabi both try to talk him around but no dice. When he runs into Samanther, they have a brutal battle about her bedmate. This fight is so big it manages to also be about Will’s claim over the baby. Sami suggests that he could get full custody and then urges her son to have a paternity test done.Gabi notices that Nick has a giant scar and wonders where he got it. It’s a memento from his time in prison and he doesn’t want to talk about it. Julie shows up and conveniently blabs that it was from him being stabbed in custody. Nick still doesn’t want to talk about it. Rafe shows up and worries to his sister about Sami’s suggestion that Will could file for full custody. Nick is a convicted killer after all… Nick just happens to eavesdrop on this conversation. He buys some surveillance equipment and then texts “I know your son shot EJ DiMera” to Lucas. Nick plants the surveillance device on Will and then records the father and son’s discussion of the crime.http://blog.soapoperafan.com/2013/01/days-of-our-lives-spoilers-for-february-4-8/#more-115865

Why is Chloe tracking down Daniel instead of calling an ambulance or taking Parker to the hospital where I am sure there is someone on staff with training in pediatrics?

Daniel has to cut his romantic getaway with Jenn short when Chloe calls in a panic over Parker. The doctor rushes back to the mansion and discovers that the kid is okay. He is not amused. He lashes out at the diva until Parker starts calling him ‘daddy’. That warms the cockles of his heart. Later, Jenn issues Chloe a stern warning. She and the doctor plan a night out with Brady and Kristen in Chicago. That’s not the only planning Jenn does. She also turns to Nicole for some advice on how to deal with the diva. Jenn feeds false information to Chloe about where she and the doctor are going. Chloe falls for it and is furious when her plans to interrupt them falls apart. When she gets home to Parker, she discovers he has a severely high temperature. Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to track Daniel down.Cam and Abby have breakfast together. They feel pretty optimistic about things. Meanwhile, Will doesn’t feel too optimistic. He hands Sonny back the keys to his place and reminds him that he loved him so much that he was willing to give up his own child for him.As John hunts down Stefano in Europe, Marlena lashes out at Kristen in Salem. She only succeeds in making things worse. The DiMera decides it is time to up the ante. She plans to jilt him at the altar. She soon discovers she might have trouble getting him there though. When she mentions marriage to him, he laughs in her face. He explains that it’s too fast and he wouldn’t want to rub that in his father’s face. She claims John wouldn’t have to know. He still doesn’t like the idea. Meanwhile, Victor presses to have Nicole arrested for stealing Titan files. Hope manages to talk him out of it. Kristen decides to try and forge a truce with Nicole. That fails. The DiMera points out how obvious Nic’s lust for Eric is. Nicole is appalled but can’t hide the truth and does her best to avoid the priest, which confuses him.Elvis and Sami hit the sheets. Although that makes her feel warm and fuzzy, not everyone is feeling so good about it. When Brady hears she has reunited with him, he thinks she’s being a twit. The news of the naked nookie continues to spread. Johnny knows all about it and blabs to Rafe. He declares that was the final nail in the coffin for that relationship. Caroline and Gabi both try to talk him around but no dice. When he runs into Samanther, they have a brutal battle about her bedmate. This fight is so big it manages to also be about Will’s claim over the baby. Sami suggests that he could get full custody and then urges her son to have a paternity test done.Gabi notices that Nick has a giant scar and wonders where he got it. It’s a memento from his time in prison and he doesn’t want to talk about it. Julie shows up and conveniently blabs that it was from him being stabbed in custody. Nick still doesn’t want to talk about it. Rafe shows up and worries to his sister about Sami’s suggestion that Will could file for full custody. Nick is a convicted killer after all… Nick just happens to eavesdrop on this conversation. He buys some surveillance equipment and then texts “I know your son shot EJ DiMera” to Lucas. Nick plants the surveillance device on Will and then records the father and son’s discussion of the crime.http://blog.soapoperafan.com/2013/01/days-of-our-lives-spoilers-for-february-4-8/#more-115865

Why is Chloe tracking down Daniel instead of calling an ambulance or taking Parker to the hospital where I am sure there is someone on staff with training in pediatrics?

"Track Daniel down", in this case, probably means "contact Daniel". Jennifer probably turns his phone off, convinces him to turn his phone off, erases his messages, or does something else to prevent Chloe from contacting Daniel. Daniel will later learn of this deception and lash out at Jennifer.

In other words, it's most likely a rehash of what we just saw with John, Marlena, Kristen, and Brady a few months ago.

I believe the key word here is how Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

Poor Lucas. Thank goodness EJ kept up his side of the bargain and saved him.

The implication being that Lucas should just give E.J. a free pass on raping Sami because he deigned to save Lucas' life afterward? Was raping Sami the equivalent of Gummiberry Juice or something?

No, but that parts really between EJ and Sami. And since she's forgiven him, maybe Lucas should at least move forward from it. Sami sure has.

And considering what a bastard EJ was then, at least he did go through with helping Sami get that beam off him. He didnt have to and quite frankly I was surprised he did.

I believe the key word here is how Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

Yeah, great point.

Then imagine what that poor kid will think about big brother Will and how he was conceived. Her mommy drugged then raped her uncle, who was in love with her sister then told everyone she was pregnant by him but really she had secretly slept with his brother.

It really is hard to figure out which of those kids will be the most screwed up.

Frankly, if anyone has a right to be pissed off about the rape (and all of Sami's children have a right to be pissed about it, as far as I'm concerned), it should be Johnny. "Oh, by the way, son, you were the result of a lovely night where I raped your mother after shooting your grandfather. Now, come over here and give me a great big hug!"

I hate to think about James Scott actually remaining on the show long enough for such a storyline to play out, but frankly, if Johnny doesn't disown E.J. (or do something equally dramatic) when he learns about that little tidbit of information, it will be one of the biggest missteps that the show has ever taken, IMO.

Frankly, if anyone has a right to be pissed off about the rape (and all of Sami's children have a right to be pissed about it, as far as I'm concerned), it should be Johnny. "Oh, by the way, son, you were the result of a lovely night where I raped your mother after shooting your grandfather. Now, come over here and give me a great big hug!"

I hate to think about James Scott actually remaining on the show long enough for such a storyline to play out, but frankly, if Johnny doesn't disown E.J. (or do something equally dramatic) when he learns about that little tidbit of information, it will be one of the biggest missteps that the show has ever taken, IMO.

IA and why should Lucas forgive EJ for raping sami just because sami was stupid enough too not to mention EJ tried to kill LUcas after that anyways.when someone hurts someone you care about you tend to hold a grudge.

Does anyone actually care how Lucas feels about EJ? Well I guess some fans do, but no one on the show seems to. All of Sami's kids, except Will should be pleased that Sami forgives the unforgivable. They wouldn't be here otherwise.

Does anyone actually care how Lucas feels about EJ? Well I guess some fans do, but no one on the shoe seems to. All of Sami's kids, except Will should be pleased that Sami forgives the unforgivable. They wouldn't be here otherwise.

I think the post about "like Lucas should just give E.J. a free pass on raping Sami" may have been a typo, as the conversation preceding it was about Allie's feelings about EJ, and so I think "like Allie should just give E.J. a free pass on raping Sami" b/c he deigned to help Lucas was intended. I can't speak for other posters of course, and I could be so entirely wrong, but that was the impression I had reading it.

As for the question though, if anyone on the show really cares about what Lucas thinks about EJ, does anyone on the show really care about anyone's feelings about EJ? Well, maybe a few people re: Sami's feelings about EJ. But that's about it. I am not sure that is exclusive to Lucas. Lucas cares about his feelings I suppose, insofar as that he has them, and feels them, and that's that.

As for Sami's children's feelings about EJ and the circumstances by which they came to be, I am not sure they should feel any one way. If I were Allie, I could be thankful that my was father saved on some level, but no less outraged if I learned about what happened that night. I am not sure I understand the she should be 1100% angry or the she should be 1100% grateful thinking. Probably some mixture of both, maybe a little more angry (or that's how I would feel). And if she found out about some of the things her parents did to each other, I am not sure she would be pleased. Or if she found out about the things EJ did to Sami in later years, she might not be too thrilled either.

Fundamentally though, as we see Allie on twice a month, we are giving her more of an interiority than the show ever will.

I believe the key word here is how Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

You think a 6 year old should be told about - much less understand the meaning of rape? :huh1:

Does anyone actually care how Lucas feels about EJ? Well I guess some fans do, but no one on the shoe seems to. All of Sami's kids, except Will should be pleased that Sami forgives the unforgivable. They wouldn't be here otherwise.

I think the post about "Lucas should just give E.J. a free pass on raping Sami" may have been a typo, as the conversation preceding it was about Allie's feelings about EJ, and so I think "Allie should just give E.J. a free pass on raping Sami" b/c he deigned to help Lucas was intended. I can't speak for other posters of course, and I could be so entirely wrong, but that was the impression I had reading it.

As for the question though, if anyone on the show really cares about what Lucas thinks about EJ, does anyone on the show really care about anyone's feelings about EJ? Well, maybe a few people re: Sami's feelings about EJ. But that's about it. I am not sure that is exclusive to Lucas. Lucas cares about his feelings I suppose, insofar as that he has them, and feels them, and that's that.

As for Sami's children's feelings about EJ and the circumstances by which they came to be, I am not sure they should feel any one way. If I were Allie, I could be thankful that my father saved on some level, but no less angered if I learned about what happened that night. I am not sure I understand the she should be 1100% outraged or the she should be 1100% grateful thinking. Probably some mixture of both. And if she found out about some of the things her parents did to each other, I am not sure she would be pleased. Or if she found out about the things EJ did to Sami in later years, she might not be too thrilled either.

Fundamentally though, as we see Allie on twice a month, we are giving her more of an interiority than the show ever will.

I'm not sure it's exclusive to Lucas, either, but it was his refusal to offer forgiveness that has become the topic. I didn't get the impression that that was a typo, rather than thread drift.

I'd be happy to see the show deal with letting the kids find out everything their parents did (and brother, in the case of EJ getting shot the first time). All of the adults have a lot to answer for. And I agree that I could see Allie being conflicted about it all. I think the debate has dragged on for so long because the scenario wasn't cut and dried even amongst the actors and there's a lot of drama in the 15-20 year old twins finding our about that (and the shooting, death row, the drugging, bloody clothes, the paternity lies etc.).

Brady will be humiliated, but since their relationship has been so short, he won't be devastated. All this will do is show him the light and send him right back to his father and mother seeking forgiveness. Hardly edge of your seat suspence, it isn't like someone's life is hanging in the balance.

Daniel has to cut his romantic getaway with Jenn short when Chloe calls in a panic over Parker. The doctor rushes back to the mansion and discovers that the kid is okay. He is not amused. He lashes out at the diva until Parker starts calling him ‘daddy’. That warms the cockles of his heart. Later, Jenn issues Chloe a stern warning. She and the doctor plan a night out with Brady and Kristen in Chicago. That’s not the only planning Jenn does. She also turns to Nicole for some advice on how to deal with the diva. Jenn feeds false information to Chloe about where she and the doctor are going. Chloe falls for it and is furious when her plans to interrupt them falls apart. When she gets home to Parker, she discovers he has a severely high temperature. Unfortunately, it’s almost impossible to track Daniel down.Cam and Abby have breakfast together. They feel pretty optimistic about things. Meanwhile, Will doesn’t feel too optimistic. He hands Sonny back the keys to his place and reminds him that he loved him so much that he was willing to give up his own child for him.As John hunts down Stefano in Europe, Marlena lashes out at Kristen in Salem. She only succeeds in making things worse. The DiMera decides it is time to up the ante. She plans to jilt him at the altar. She soon discovers she might have trouble getting him there though. When she mentions marriage to him, he laughs in her face. He explains that it’s too fast and he wouldn’t want to rub that in his father’s face. She claims John wouldn’t have to know. He still doesn’t like the idea. Meanwhile, Victor presses to have Nicole arrested for stealing Titan files. Hope manages to talk him out of it. Kristen decides to try and forge a truce with Nicole. That fails. The DiMera points out how obvious Nic’s lust for Eric is. Nicole is appalled but can’t hide the truth and does her best to avoid the priest, which confuses him.Elvis and Sami hit the sheets. Although that makes her feel warm and fuzzy, not everyone is feeling so good about it. When Brady hears she has reunited with him, he thinks she’s being a twit. The news of the naked nookie continues to spread. Johnny knows all about it and blabs to Rafe. He declares that was the final nail in the coffin for that relationship. Caroline and Gabi both try to talk him around but no dice. When he runs into Samanther, they have a brutal battle about her bedmate. This fight is so big it manages to also be about Will’s claim over the baby. Sami suggests that he could get full custody and then urges her son to have a paternity test done.Gabi notices that Nick has a giant scar and wonders where he got it. It’s a memento from his time in prison and he doesn’t want to talk about it. Julie shows up and conveniently blabs that it was from him being stabbed in custody. Nick still doesn’t want to talk about it. Rafe shows up and worries to his sister about Sami’s suggestion that Will could file for full custody. Nick is a convicted killer after all… Nick just happens to eavesdrop on this conversation. He buys some surveillance equipment and then texts “I know your son shot EJ DiMera” to Lucas. Nick plants the surveillance device on Will and then records the father and son’s discussion of the crime.http://blog.soapoperafan.com/2013/01/days-of-our-lives-spoilers-for-february-4-8/#more-115865

Why is Chloe tracking down Daniel instead of calling an ambulance or taking Parker to the hospital where I am sure there is someone on staff with training in pediatrics?

I believe the key word here is how Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

You think a 6 year old should be told about - much less understand the meaning of rape? :huh1:

You really have to wonder who's behind this speculated, deliberate off screen cruelty.

I believe the key word here is how Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

You think a 6 year old should be told about - much less understand the meaning of rape? :huh1:

You really have to wonder who's behind this speculated, deliberate off screen cruelty.

I thought they were referring to a SORAS'd Allie and not the actual 5-6 year old Allie?

Quoting limited to 4 levels deephow Vicky4Mimi can correct me if I'm wrong but I think Vicky is refering to Allie learning that the twins with different fathers happened because EJ raped her mommy while her daddy was dying.

You think a 6 year old should be told about - much less understand the meaning of rape? :huh1:

You really have to wonder who's behind this speculated, deliberate off screen cruelty.

I thought they were referring to a SORAS'd Allie and not the actual 5-6 year old Allie?

Perhaps, although If they were talking about something that might take place a decade from now, I have to wonder why they used past tense, ("Maybe Allie found out") as if it had already happened.