he didnt hear one bad word from british journos for that, but it made me dislike him ever since

You mean after he fell awkwardly?

Murray, like Federer, has taken maybe a handful of MTOs in his career. I doubt he decided that Queens was the time to start using them to play mind games.

11-16-2012 07:17 AM

duncandhorne

Re: Is Murray using mind games during matches?

Generally I don't think Federer has to resort to that kind of gamesmanship. Though he did make a small fuss about a few drops of rain in Shanghai against Murray this year, and did think to myself ,"That's right Rog, slow it down a bit!"

11-15-2012 07:17 AM

Shinoj

Re: Is Murray using mind games during matches?

In Shanghai Final Murray was incessantly cursing whenever Djokovic was playing good. Although you cannot fault him for that because it looks as if he is doing it on himself. But actually he is doing nothing but jinxing the opponent. But afterall its a Professional game and like the Man from Scandinavia said. Its a Professional game and at the end of the day you have to see the yellow Ball and whack it and forget everything else.

"I don't mind mind games as it brings spice to the confrontations, but please, spare me of this BS that Federer is some classy guy who doesn't play dirty. He does, just like Nadal, Nole and Murray"
Quoted from the closed thread.
I thought about it and I can't remember a single occasion when he tried to disrupt his opponent in such way, unlike the other three. He is mostly abusive to himself only.
Can anyone actually remember him doing something like that?

All tennis pros engage in mind games, as a competitor you have to mentally tough enough to block it out and focus on hitting that fuzzy yellow ball and getting the match won. A lot easier said than done I know.

That makes way too much sense for some MTF posters on here. Yes, all players engage in mind games. I have no problem with it. It's just another test you have to pass during a match. But apparently some posters on here believe what they want to believe about their favorite players and think that they are different and never use mind games. Denial.

Nieminen? Absolute bullshit. I'm guessing he faked the injury so Nieminen would have some hope for a win? Wrong, Andy was injured and slowly got back into the match after some treatment throughout the first hour or so. No mind games there, he was injured and crawled back into it.

Also, he looks tired because that's how he looks. That's not mind games, that's just how he looks. You could say a player who scowls is using mindgames or how Raonic is using mind games because he keeps himself calm. Those aren't mind games, they are just things that the players do all the time. Also, Andy grabbing parts of his body is the closest thing he does to mind games and even then he does it because he's always done it. Even when winning, he does it. He doesn't do that to annoy/irritate/throw off his opponent. That's absurd.

Murray dosen't play mindgames intentionally the way nadal does for instance.

When things arent going his way sometimes his psychological symptoms can manifest into physical ones. Thats about all, he isn't doing it to put the other guy off if anything it only hurts his performance.

And you know this how? Are you a mind reader? When Nadal takes a medical time out, why don't you apply the same "sometimes his psychological symptoms can manifest into physical ones" BS? How come is it only when it comes to Murray that you can read minds? Could it be because you're a Murray fan and far from objective on this matter?

11-15-2012 12:44 AM

GOATsol

Re: Is Murray using mind games during matches?

Obviously. It's the only way this no talent pusher managed to win a slam.

Murray did it to Nieminen at Roland Garros. Always looking like he is dead tired is mind games, but players have to be professional and focus on the round yellow thing and hit it.

Nieminen? Absolute bullshit. I'm guessing he faked the injury so Nieminen would have some hope for a win? Wrong, Andy was injured and slowly got back into the match after some treatment throughout the first hour or so. No mind games there, he was injured and crawled back into it.

Also, he looks tired because that's how he looks. That's not mind games, that's just how he looks. You could say a player who scowls is using mindgames or how Raonic is using mind games because he keeps himself calm. Those aren't mind games, they are just things that the players do all the time. Also, Andy grabbing parts of his body is the closest thing he does to mind games and even then he does it because he's always done it. Even when winning, he does it. He doesn't do that to annoy/irritate/throw off his opponent. That's absurd.

11-14-2012 10:12 PM

DjokerFan3

Re: Is Murray using mind games during matches?

All tennis pros engage in mind games, as a competitor you have to mentally tough enough to block it out and focus on hitting that fuzzy yellow ball and getting the match won. A lot easier said than done I know.

11-14-2012 09:53 PM

stewietennis

Re: Is Murray using mind games during matches?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. One of the first basic lessons in confrontational sports like boxing and wrestling is to act strong when you're weak, act weak when you're strong. If an opponent falls for it, that's on him. If an opponent lets up on the attack, that's on him. Subconscious or not, no one is forcing him to go easy on you. Every professional athlete and a vast majority of people know this simple tactic. When Djokovic appeared to start breathing heavily and gestured to his team in the fourth set during the AO final the commentators mentioned that he's in trouble, I knew better than to count him out, he wasn't in trouble, and Nadal didn't let up. You can throw all the mind games that you can at an opponent but if said opponent is smart enough to not be bothered by it, it all cancels out and only athletic ability matters. If anyone falls for these so called 'mind games' he's a mental midget.