Corduene, I am with you. You know that. However, having gotten to know Turks and the fascism that imbues their leadership's thinking, they will delay the process by first seeking the proper definition of the words "humanity" & "crime" prior to reaching Hague! The whole thing will deteriorate into a semantics' debate! If only Europe was brave enough to call spade a spade in the case of Turkey. If only 'Europe' rose up to be Europe!

Can Mr Tahir please give us a breakdown of the 5 million MOslems killed in European Turkey, by whom, and when??????????????????????

Given that he refuses to accept that 1.5 million Armenians were killed in the 1915 GENOCIDE organised by the Young Turks, the 500,000 Assyrians during WW I, and 1 million Greeks from 1914-1922, is this request of mine too much to ask?

Booming revenue also means Booming Defense budget. You may note the capabilty of their military now. In addition to booming budget, they have very successfull defense industry now.

So my dear friend, looking at the media circus on Recognition of Genocide, I can understand that Armenians are very far from Ground realities.
Next war with Azerbaijan (Yes, it will happen, I am Sorry for that) will finish Armenia beyond recognition.
If Russia intervines, there will be changes in the map of Russia as it can barely able to quell the civil war in their south.

A quotation from today's press by Ariana Ferentinou to inform those who are unaware or ignorant:

'Yes, the Princes’ Islands still resist modern amenities such as automobiles and motorbikes. Yes, there are still mosques, synagogues and churches conducting their services in a spirit of peaceful coexistence. And it is here where you will hear Greek, Ladino, French, German, Italian and a variety of other languages spoken by groups of people positively accepting the religion and culture of the other. This is not so much the problem.'

As per the rich & civilised west, Turkey is cured, It is no longer the Sick man of Europe.
Now they accuse us of having Rolls Royce ambitions while only Land Rover is available.
Tomorrow they will accuse us that we want to have our own Neil Armstrong while only fighter pilots are available...!!!
;)

@freethinking
You should consider the events starting from 1960s, and stop playing with numbers.

From Wikipedia (check the relevant page for external citations):

Kyle notes "there is no doubt that the main victims of the numerous incidents that took place during the next few months were Turks". 700 Turkish hostages, including women and children, were taken from the northern suburbs of Nicosia. Nikos Sampson led a group of Greek Cypriot irregulars into the mixed suburb of Omorphita and massacred the Turkish Cypriot population indiscriminately. By 1964, 193 Turkish Cypriots and 133 Greek Cypriots were killed, with a further 209 Turks and 41 Greeks missing, presumed dead. The British Daily Telegraph called it the "anti Turkish pogrom".

post '74:
In the meantime, Nikos Sampson was declared provisional president of the new government. 'Had Turkey not intervened,' Sampson told the Greek newspaper, Eleftherotipia, on 26.02.81, 'I would not only have proclaimed Enosis but I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus as well.'[see the external resource in Wikipedia].

So you think Turkey should have waited till all Turks were killed... Europe did the same thing, waited till most of the Bosnians were killed, and only then, reacted.

None of these facts, however, legitimise the death of thousands of innocent Greek civilians. But I am just fed up with those people who claim that the Turkish intervention came out of no reason.

Stone the Turks to death! Popular and easy option, isn't it? 265 comments so far; too much hate speech, in addition to 'subjective and emotional' verbal behaviour. Many irrelevant topics are being covered (like Cyprus issue and Turkey's EU membership) as well. As a novice, and probably uneducated on the issues being discussed compared to most of you; here comes my summary (Although these will not be directly related to the article we are commenting on):

1. I do not believe that the religious intolerance in Turkey is more than, for example, Switzerland. Turkey is a secular state, and will always remain like that; governments are not permanent...
2. Turkish governments, throughout the history of the republic, oppressed the Kurdish minority by banning their language. This is changing; but yes, it should have been a more rapid change. The foundation of PKK and the support it received from many countries however, cannot and should not be supported. This is terrorism, drug trafficking, murder etc.
3. No westerners listen to or know the story of Cyprus from an objective perspective. The military coup in Greece and killings of Turkish Cypriots initiated Turkey's interference in 1974. The interference was self defence. However, after the fall of military junta, Turkey should have left and let the people of Cyprus should have decided on their future together; both Greeks and Turks. Yet, Greece should also have looked for cooperation rather than crying to her western brothers.
4. European Union membership... The only way Turkey can be in the union is the day when Eastern part of the country is separated, the Turkish existence in Cyprus is terminated, and the control of Bosporus and strategic locations in the remaining part of the country is given to the control of imperial forces. So this is not a good deal for Turkey. Having options is better.
5. No matter what this government has in mind; Turkish people are not becoming religious lunatics. For god's sake; they like having fun, drinking Raki etc. Of course it is better for, for example, United Stated if Turkey becomes a country like Saudi Arabia, and ruled with Sharia. It will be easier for them to control the people then. Stop dreaming, this will not happen.
6. I believe in the youth in Greece, in Turkey, in Armenia, in dominantly Kurdish populated regions... Things will change...

Turkey is not fascist; not by a long way and there are no concentration camps and no official policy of extermination

It is nationalist and strongly so and it ill served by its corrupt political class - France and Italy have many of the same tendencies and both thos ecountries can be pretty intolerant of outsiders and minorities - think waht has happened to Bretagne and its culture or Pays Basques and its.

Turkey is also ill served by an underfunded poorly managed education system

And if you are objective - and most comemntators here are not - you have to recognise 1) the Armenians from 1870 onwards were agitating for more freedom within the empire and at various times took up arms against their rulers with the assistance of outside help (Irish nationalists did teh same in their struggle against the British Empire, American nationalists did the same, Acehnese nationalists did the same, Vietnamese nationalists did the same)The Ottomans (as did the British in 1916 and 1776, as did the Indonesians in the 1970s, as did teh French in the 1950s) responded with brutal force. The Kurds were promised a homeland by the British, who with the French reneged and divided the oil rich parts of the former Ottoman empire between them; the Turkish Republic's attitude to the Greeks was much shaped by the crazy invasion of Turkey by Venizelos in which millions of Turks were massacred, raped and otherwise brutalised by the advancing army and by their newly "liberated" "Greek" neighbours led in many cases by nationalist, even Fascist, Greek Orthodox clergy. Which in no way excuses the ultimate Turkish revenge in destroying Smyrna.

My point, action creates reaction; anger breeds anger; resentment breeds resentment. Look for faults closer to home before you start accusing others. As the old slogan goes fighting for peace is like effing for virginity, so Intolerating intolerance is also an oxymoron.

the policy did work with Bosnians, Tatars, Albanians, Cherkess, Chechens, Cretan Moslems, Laz etc etc. All are happy to call themselves Turks and to be equal citizens of the only Moslem country which is rapidy catching up with the developed countries thanks to their discipline and hard work.

Then there are other people who hope to solve their problems by hoping we will all go to hell.

Turkey's Kurds do not produce anything and the PKK terrorism has scared away all investments.

It will be a historic decision whether they go the way of Hazmataz or the PKK.

Don't misinterpret and spin, please Ben. Venetians were responsible for the most significant destruction wroght upon one of the most spectacular pieces of ancient architecture in the world - the Athenian Parthenon. They were also responsible for devastating ancient Constantinople in a way that it never recovered until the spectacular works of islamic architecture, now forming the world-famous glory of Istanbul's skyline and silhouette. (Many of these are even better from the inside as temples of peace and light to one God, devoted to the individual in prayer, and so contrasted to the 'charnel houses' as the emperor Julian the apostate (from Christianity) called churches - the latter as monuments to individuals, their blingy wealth and often - especially in Italy - to their earthly remains, rotting and exhibited in gory reality to a crdeulous public who think this display of human vanity and egocentricity is 'religion', and respecting it will earn them a place in heaven!

Yep, Ben, most probably (though I can't PROVE that they were ''Italians'' of course. Can you prove deliberate government policy?).
The damage inflicted on Ercolano has been shocking, though quite possibly the motive was financial gain or the sheer pleasure for some of mindless vandalism, rather than the earlier church vision (look at the disasters that have befallen Roman architectural wonders in Italy and elsewhere) of deliberately DESTROYING mnonuments deemed to be 'pagan'.
Very large, often scandalously vulgar parts of St Peters in Rome were built precisely from this vandalised material!
I'm claiming Ben, that large parts of spectacular Armenian architecture have been destroyed through earthquake - also true of collapse of the weakened (through pilfering) sections of the Colosseum in Rome.
You prefer propaganda and spin to certain too obvious (and for you too simple and boringly unconspiratorial) facts.
More seriously of course for your 'change the subject' tactic of ''attack is the best form of defense'': the very EVIDENT, very wilful destruction of non-Cristian monuments in the Balkans - some of which happen to be gems of Islamic architecture????

You're like those who blame the Ottomans for the destruction of the Parthenon in Athens, by allowing the Venetians to fire cannon balls at it in the hope of blowing it up and thus secruing the defeat of the said Ottomans.
Bonkers as an interpretation, but one widely spun and touted as if no-one has any intelligence at all!

in 1915, most Kurds were deprived from education by Turkish ottomans brutal state, and paid the clerics to peach hatred in the Kurdish area to stir them against Armenians.

Turkish army with their mercenaries killed many Christians but ordinary Kurds not only not participated in the killing but hide and protected them! I have seen many Armenians in iraqi whom grandparents escaped the Turkish massacre mentioned they were saved by Kurds.

the people who terrorize Christians in mardin are gangsters that are funded and supported by Turkish regime to kill fellow Kurds. These people do not in any way represent Kurdish people but are mercenaries!

I have been visiting the Midyat region for many years, and although things improved in the early years of this decade the current attempt to steal the land from Christians shows that Turkey's structures are very corrupt. It should be noted that the Yezidis, another religious group, have been totally removed from SE Turkey.