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Shikamaru became a genin after his preformance in the main matches.
He lost..didnt use genjutsu or taijutsu at all. He never even hit his opponent.
Shikamaru tactically outsmarted Temari. And he possesed "the most important attribute" for a chuunin. (Leadership)

Yet, became a chuunin.

We know the battles of Naruto during the Chuunin exam and main matches.

[Lets talk about Kiba's battle and compare it to Shikamaru's battle.]

IF you ask me that was a battle worthy to call Naruto...a chuunin (if you would compare that to Shikamaru)

1: He captured Akamaru very smart, and was able to bite Kiba (he caught Kiba totally offguard) Excellent timing and use of Kage bunshin+Henge No Jutsu

2: Used Henge to confuse Kiba & Akamaru by transforming into their forms. Right after he got hit..he changed into Akamaru.
Then not only he made Kiba attack Akamaru but Naruto was also able to hit Kiba and catch him again...offguard.

3: Then his finishing move which he saw from Sasuke...with a bit improvisation he made a very decent move.

Now if you ask me... IF Naruto fought like that in the main matches...he'd have a great chance of becoming a Chuunin. (Naruto's Leadership may be a flaw but i think the rest of his ability's are enough)

Naruto fails as a leader, he's just not smart enough. His only qualities are his stamina and will to win; qualities for a fighter only. If Naruto was a Chuunin, he'd get his squad into countless fights that should have been avoided.

Johnny, The question lack a little bit of coherence and I was not understanding it.

The question should had read something like (if it is what you are asking) “Is Naruto worthy to be Ranked as a Chuning?” or “were the Selection of Chunin in the Chunin arc were Fair?” or did Naruto deserved to be Promoted to Chunin?"

Given the explanation of what Chunin is about, NO, At that time (or current) Naruto was not worthy of been a Chunin, sure Naruto came up with good tactics (even Fighting with Neeji), but that was not it, it was about Maturity, is about that Naruto fought for Himself, for the win, Shikamaru fought calculating as a plattoon leader.

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Johnny, The question lack a little bit of coherence and I was not understanding it.

The question should had read something like (if it is what you are asking) “Is Naruto worthy to be Ranked as a Chuning?” or “were the Selection of Chunin in the Chunin arc were Fair?” or did Naruto deserved to be Promoted to Chunin?"

Given the explanation of what Chunin is about, NO, At that time (or current) Naruto was not worthy of been a Chunin, sure Naruto came up with good tactics (even Fighting with Neeji), but that was not it, it was about Maturity, is about that Naruto fought for Himself, for the win, Shikamaru fought calculating as a plattoon leader.

Yes, sorry if i wasnt clear...but i ment the first: Is Naruto worthy to be Ranked as a Chuunin.

I myself voted Yes...and agree that his overall knowlegde is below that of an average Chuunin. If he would gain more knowlegde he'd be more carefull and would understand things easier.

you say he doesnt have the qualities but yet you want him promoted as a chuunin?
r u high or something.

this is what i hate in this forum. people love a character so much they dont care if he or she is dumb dead or something else.just because they love the character they make everything worthy for him/her.

I think definitely not. Shikamaru played with his opponent as if it were a game of chess. He considered possibilities, and found his best route to victory, as a leader should.

Everyone else however, specifically Naruto, just ran in and used brute force. They didn't plan ahead so much as improvise. They showed little or no leadership ability. Again, naruto more so than others. >.<

I'm still on the fence about this issue I definitely agree that pre-timeskip Naruto wasn't chuunin material, but..

Spoiler for the manga:

I definitely agree that pre-timeskip Naruto wasn't chuunin material, but he has trained with a Sannin for nearly 2.5 years and that should count for something. Naruto has shown that if he just clears his head he is capable of forming strategies which utilize teamates. Case in point when came up with a very impressive strategy that he and Sasuke used to free Kakashi when they fought Zabuza. More recently, he came up with a strategy with Sakura to pass the bell test (which was far less impressive but nonetheless clever). We haven't seen him in a post-timeskip battle where his emotions concerning Sasuke or Gaara haven't been involved. I think he'll perform better when he gets in a battle where a friend's life isn't immediately at stake.

Plus Chouji's a chuunin and pre-timeskip he was shown to be nearly as dumb and skilless as Naruto (if not more so). So I say Naruto might be worthy.

Last edited by Sabaku Kyu; 2006-10-24 at 13:19.
Reason: forgot, no manga tag.

I'm still on the fence about this issue I definitely agree that pre-timeskip Naruto wasn't chuunin material, but..

Spoiler for the manga:

I definitely agree that pre-timeskip Naruto wasn't chuunin material, but he has trained with a Sannin for nearly 2.5 years and that should count for something. Naruto has shown that if he just clears his head he is capable of forming strategies which utilize teamates. Case in point when came up with a very impressive strategy that he and Sasuke used to free Kakashi when they fought Zabuza. More recently, he came up with a strategy with Sakura to pass the bell test (which was far less impressive but nonetheless clever). We haven't seen him in a post-timeskip battle where his emotions concerning Sasuke or Gaara haven't been involved. I think he'll perform better when he gets in a battle where a friend's life isn't immediately at stake.

Plus Chouji's a chuunin and pre-timeskip he was shown to be nearly as dumb and skilless as Naruto (if not more so). So I say Naruto might be worthy.

Is this after timeskip we are talking? If so he is probably chuunin material, i would hope.

I think Naruto has the potential to be a leader, as you pointed out in his experience (pre-timeskip). He has a problem clearing his head, and using it however. Instead he charges in head first. This is a problem maturity can solve though, so i would assume after timeskip he can become a chuunin.

I highly doubt there is a difference between Lee's attitude/brains and Narutos attitude/brains. Both always has something to prove, and yet Lee is a Chunnin, so why can't Naruto be? The way Lee fights I would suspect he is just as likely to be as headstrong as Naruto. So yes, Naruto should be a chunnin.

All of Naruto's genin classmates have become either chuunin or jounin. And, except maybe for Neji, those people were/are/will be far away from Shikamaru in intelligence. That will not change. Still, they became chuunin, just like all the low-class chuunin you see everywhere.

Naruto is hot-headed but not stupid. (I am remembering lines from Prince of Tennis regarding Momoshiro.) His strength and his character make him act this way. Even before the time skip, he showed that he can analyze the situation and act accordingly - at a reasonable level, not high but still reasonable. But, those were all regarding his one-to-one fighting skills. In terms of the basic definition of leadership, he will never be as good as Shikamaru, but he will still do well, mainly because he has the body-strength for that unlike Shikamaru, to compensate for his lack of skills at the mind level.

So, yes, he deserves to be a chuunin.

If we talk about pre-time skip, the answer is "close, for me not yet, but in general it can go either way".

Hard to say. I mean, he&#180;s stronger than your average Chuunin by now and despite him not being the smartest guy alive he has shown the be good at improvising if the situation needs it. And if he&#180;s indeed going to become Hokage it&#180;s time for Naruto&#180;s intelligence and leadership skills to start going higher too. But so far he has not shown anything that makes me say he&#180;s fit to be a leader just yet. Leading people in battle than fighting alone.

I&#180;m hoping that Naruto getting promoted too Chuunin will be a breakthrough for him. That with responsibility he will get his act together and become more like a real leader.

We are comparing His friends taking in consideration how they were 3 years ago, and half of the people that were not promotoed to Chunin did not even reach the last Chunin Test. The test that really matters for the promotion.

What I have seen in the new Naruto is almost the same, He can analyze stuff, but he still is a loose canon and sometimes become a liability for the entire Team, So in terms of power he can be Jounin if you want, but he still lets his temper gets the best of him so he still lacks a sense of leadership

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you say he doesnt have the qualities but yet you want him promoted as a chuunin?
r u high or something.

this is what i hate in this forum. people love a character so much they dont care if he or she is dumb dead or something else.just because they love the character they make everything worthy for him/her.

Why do you say that?

I only said that he probably fails in the area of leadership...but his overall combat skills are enough for me to consider him a Chuunin.

I think his knowlegde is also something what he lacks... but Combat Skills, his techniques: Rasengan, Summoning, Kage Bunshin, Henge and his timing of jutsu's, his strategy (Is sometimes briljant)

I think he does have the quality's but still needs some improvements...if he improves in those area's (overall knowlegde, leadership, using advanced strategy's all the time) i may consider him even close of becoming a jounin.

Spoiler for Manga after the timeskip:

Then i would consider him a definetly close of becoming a Jounin...since it seems over the years he has become quite the hothead and loses his focus. But his ability's are definetly above that of any average Chuunin i think.

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Originally Posted by Uchikatsu

What kind of question is this...since it'd be up to the Producers and kishi himself if Naruto would be seen worth as chuunin.

This is a question and asking for other peoples opinion. I dont try to achieve anything...just like to hear some opinions...