epoch_destroi:gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist. Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

gameshowhost:epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist. Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

If a law is unjust, there is no reason to follow it (if you're prepared to face to face the consequences).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

If a law is unjust, there is no reason to follow it (if you're prepared to face to face the consequences).

epoch_destroi:gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist. Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

I think we're expressing similar notions; ideally the state/nation would officially apologize to everyone that was ever charged/convicted, and yes of course those that were convicted broke the law.

Official national apologies for old laws are few and far between, though. Don't hold your breath.

gameshowhost:epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: gameshowhost: epoch_destroi: Why should he be pardoned? It was against the law, and he broke the law, whether or not you like that law.

You're right.... enshrine the law in the Awesome Law Place Of The Most Awesome Laws!

I'm not saying the law shouldn't have been changed, but all this does is show people that no matter what law they break, they may be some day pardoned. Which is bullshiat.

Hey, I completely agree that laws targeting sexual orientation are utter shiat and shouldn't exist. Yes, I agree that it'd be more than just nice to get a full apology from the gov't.

But I hope you're not suggesting that the act of pardoning be completely eliminated? It's still a useful tool for when the legal *system* fails to yield a fair/just/correct result (presuming the underlying law itself remains sound).

Maybe we just see it differently. What I would have liked to see is a public apology for the law, and a post-mortem apology to him for what happened to him in the hands of the law. But as farked up as the law was, he obviously broke it.

I don't know. I could very well be wrong. I just...feel weird about this.

I think we're expressing similar notions; ideally the state/nation would officially apologize to everyone that was ever charged/convicted, and yes of course those that were convicted broke the law.

Official national apologies for old laws are few and far between, though. Don't hold your breath.

Agreed. :) thank you for being so civil as we hashed this out. it's been a good conversation.

It is kinda confusing. If you get thousands of men killed needlessly, and fark some tarted up seacow, you get an earldom; if you get thousands of men needlessly not-killed, and then fark one of them, you get death. Ahh, Britain.

And what about all the other good folks in Britain over the centuries that were convicted and/or killed for being gay? Not that Parliament should pay reparations or anything, but an apology would be nice. You know, for firing, beating, raping and/or killing us over the years. Also, a promise to STOP TREATING US LIKE shiat would be good.

Just sayin'.

If you aren't rich and aren't famous - you aren't important. And even then, it's probably not enough.

For everyone else, try to avoid being anything other than straight, white, 30-40, upper-middle class, pay your taxes, and hope you don't have the SWAT team break down your door at 2am and shoot your family.....or that the government doesn't decide it wants your land (and forcefully takes it).

And what about all the other good folks in Britain over the centuries that were convicted and/or killed for being gay? Not that Parliament should pay reparations or anything, but an apology would be nice. You know, for firing, beating, raping and/or killing us over the years. Also, a promise to STOP TREATING US LIKE shiat would be good.

Just sayin'.

and if the ancestors of slaves are owed reparations, why not those murdered for being gay?