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en-usTechdirt. Stories about "vlingo"https://ii.techdirt.com/s/t/i/td-88x31.gifhttps://www.techdirt.com/Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:46:07 PDTNY Times Takes On Our Broken Patent SystemMike Masnickhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121008/03151820635/ny-times-takes-our-broken-patent-system.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121008/03151820635/ny-times-takes-our-broken-patent-system.shtmlhighlighting just how broken the patent system is today. It kicks off with an anecdote of the type of story we hear about all the time: where a startup innovator gets threatened by a patent holder (in this case, not a troll, but a larger company), and the lawsuit effectively kills the startup. Even though it actually won in court, after spending an astounding $3 million fighting the lawsuit, the company was basically out of money... and was forced to sell itself to the company who had sued it, knowing that it still faced another five patent lawsuits. That's not a unique story. The company who sued, Nuance, defended its actions in the articles with this line of pure crap:

“Our responsibility is to follow the law,” said Lee Patch, a vice president at Nuance. “That’s what we do. It’s not our fault if some people don’t like the system.”

No. "Following the law" does not include shaking down competitors in your space, taking them to the brink of bankruptcy and then getting them to sell to you at firesale prices.

Perhaps more interesting in the article is the talk about Apple's awakening on how powerful patents could be used as a weapon against others, all stemming from its legal fight with Creative Technologies over a ridiculously broad patent for a digital music player. Rather than fight Creative, Apple just paid the company $100 million to go away. At the time, we wrote about how unfortunate it was that the company who succeeded in the market basically had to pay off the company who couldn't compete. But what we didn't realize was that it also turned Apple into a vociferous patent-hungry beast. The NY Times report notes that, right after this, Steve Jobs made it clear to his staff that Apple now needed to "patent everything."

Soon, Apple’s engineers were asked to participate in monthly “invention disclosure sessions.” One day, a group of software engineers met with three patent lawyers, according to a former Apple patent lawyer who was at the meeting.

The first engineer discussed a piece of software that studied users’ preferences as they browsed the Web.

“That’s a patent,” a lawyer said, scribbling notes.

Another engineer described a slight modification to a popular application.

“That’s a patent,” the lawyer said.

Another engineer mentioned that his team had streamlined some software.

“That’s another one,” the lawyer said.

[....] The disclosure session had yielded more than a dozen potential patents when an engineer, an Apple veteran, spoke up. “I would like to decline to participate,” he said, according to the lawyer who was at the meeting. The engineer explained that he didn’t believe companies should be allowed to own basic software concepts.

Unfortunately, very few companies seem willing to take a stand on this, even as many, many engineers feel the way that last engineer feels. I spend a lot of time with engineers in Silicon Valley, and I have trouble thinking of any who think the patent system is a good thing.

Apple's former General Counsel, Nancy Heinen, has a good quote in the article highlighting part of the problem:

"Think of the billions of dollars being flushed down the toilet... When patent lawyers become rock stars, it’s a bad sign for where an industry is heading,."

It's a very bad sign, but there seems to be little appetite by anyone to do anything to fix the wider problem. And despite Apple's foray into being a massive patent warrior, attacking tons of other companies, it still hasn't occurred to many people just how broken the system remains. The NY Times piece spends some time looking at Patent 8,086,604, an Apple patent issued last year, which many refer to as the Siri patent, as it covers a "universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system." Basically, a way to search multiple databases at once. As a separate companion piece to the full article highlights, that patent was rejected 8 times before the examiner was "worn down" and approved it, despite no meaningful changes in the language.

See all those red dots? Those are times the patent got rejected. See the green dot? That's when it got approved. The black dot that follows right after the green dot? That's when Apple started suing with it. The NY Times even gets patent examiners to admit that their process is more or less random, quoting one admitting that he doesn't really have enough time to "get it right every time" as well as a former patent examiner who notes:

"If you give the same application to 10 different examiners, you'll get 10 different results..."

That's not a functioning system. It's the opposite. It's a lottery... where the "winners" get to take billions of dollars away from actual innovation. It's becoming a national disgrace.

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]]>that's a patenthttps://www.techdirt.com/comment_rss.php?sid=20121008/03151820635Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:18:00 PDTStartup Holds Nose, Pays Up To Intellectual Ventures To Get Patents It Needs In Patent FightMike Masnickhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100801/23085310445.shtml
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100801/23085310445.shtmlsold, but it wasn't clear if it still had an interest in any awards or settlements received. It has become clear that the company has set up over 1,000 shell companies, however, so that makes it more difficult to know sometimes.

However, there have been two cases of IV patents officially involved in lawsuits lately, and both are on the "defensive" side. The first was back in March, where IV sold some patents to Verizon that it could use in its fight against TiVo. TiVo had sued Verizon, but since Verizon had paid IV some huge amount of money (hundreds of millions of dollars), it had the right to pick from IV's patent portfolio to sue back. That same thing appears to be happening again, though, this time with a smaller company who wasn't already an IV member. Speech to text company Vlingo was sued by speech recognition software giant Nuance for patent infringement, and now Vlingo has paid Intellectual Ventures to "join" and to get patents back, which it can use to fight back against Nuance.

Now, you might consider this situation to be slightly better than using IV's patents to directly sue, but it actually makes the whole situation a lot worse. Basically, IV is about patents for hire, at a super high premium. This has nothing whatsoever to do with encouraging innovation at all. Instead, IV has every incentive in the world to see more wasteful lawsuits, so more companies feel the need to pay up to grab some patents. It's making a complete farce of the already troubled patent system.

Even Vlingo, the company that just paid up, seems to recognize this. In commenting about the "deal," Vlingo's CEO said:

"Our patent system in America is horribly broken. If we had a rational patent system, there wouldn't be a place in the market for Intellectual Ventures. It's a shame they even need to exist."

Indeed. When your newest "customers" admit it's a shame you need to exist, it seems pretty evident that what you're doing is not benefiting society at all, but causing more harm.