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Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Typhon

Just because you say something doesn't make it true.....

I suppose you believe Moses fit two of every animal on earth onto a boat he built, correct?

No, but I do believe Noah did. An elephant back then is not necessarily the size it is today. That plays into adaptation and all that jazz. Also, after the flood, the atmosphere became 1/7th of what it was. This caused UV rays and other rays to penetrate the earth easier, thus changing biology. A creationist even built a mini-biosphere capsule just as the world had been pre-flood. Through his research, he found that he could make animals change size. He made a piranha somewhere around 40% larger, maybe more, than what it is today. That proves that back then, animals weren't the exact same as they are today. With that, it's not impossible to believe Noah fit all of those animals on his boat. It's a pretty big boat btw.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

do you understand the concepts of nuclear decay, radio active tracing, red shift blue shift speeds, the big bang, the formation of planets string theory, mitosis/miosis, gravity, orbits, space, anything you honestly have no clue what you are saying sience has prooven 100 times over that A we evolved and B the planet/universe is billions of years old my lord you are stupid. i generally dont get mad on here but WOW!

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

No, but I do believe Noah did. An elephant back then is not necessarily the size it is today. That plays into adaptation and all that jazz. Also, after the flood, the atmosphere became 1/7th of what it was. This caused UV rays and other rays to penetrate the earth easier, thus changing biology. A creationist even built a mini-biosphere capsule just as the world had been pre-flood. Through his research, he found that he could make animals change size. He made a piranha somewhere around 40% larger, maybe more, than what it is today. That proves that back then, animals weren't the exact same as they are today. With that, it's not impossible to believe Noah fit all of those animals on his boat. It's a pretty big boat btw.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

No, but I do believe Noah did. An elephant back then is not necessarily the size it is today. That plays into adaptation and all that jazz. Also, after the flood, the atmosphere became 1/7th of what it was. This caused UV rays and other rays to penetrate the earth easier, thus changing biology. A creationist even built a mini-biosphere capsule just as the world had been pre-flood. Through his research, he found that he could make animals change size. He made a piranha somewhere around 40% larger, maybe more, than what it is today. That proves that back then, animals weren't the exact same as they are today. With that, it's not impossible to believe Noah fit all of those animals on his boat. It's a pretty big boat btw.

It doesn't matter if animals were under a pound back then. There are literally millions of species. The size of the boat wouldn't just have to be "big" it would have to be the size of countries, or a continent. Noah wouldn't be capable of gathering all of that wood and building the ship himself, then gathering two of every animal (while ignoring the Dinosaurs) within a thousand life times, let alone one. Its just not possible. So your statement before about the bible not being proven wrong, is factually false. Not to mention it directly contradicts itself plenty of times.

Also, care to link where you're getting your "facts" from? Because they're most certainly not true.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Typhon

It doesn't matter if animals were under a pound back then. There are literally millions of species. The size of the boat wouldn't just have to be "big" it would have to be the size of countries, or a continent. Noah wouldn't be capable of gathering all of that wood and building the ship himself, then gathering two of every animal (while ignoring the Dinosaurs) within a thousand life times, let alone one. Its just not possible. So your statement before about the bible not being proven wrong, is factually false. Not to mention it directly contradicts itself plenty of times.

Also, care to link where you're getting your "facts" from? Because they're most certainly not true.

the bible isnt a book of "facts" it is a spiritual guidline ment to be interpreted he is just taking everything at face value which is soooooo ignorant

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

No, but I do believe Noah did. An elephant back then is not necessarily the size it is today. That plays into adaptation and all that jazz. Also, after the flood, the atmosphere became 1/7th of what it was.

Can you show me a link to this information? A study done on when a flood that covered all of the land on the earth happened? Evidence? A name of a scientist that can support what your saying?

This caused UV rays and other rays to penetrate the earth easier, thus changing biology. A creationist even built a mini-biosphere capsule just as the world had been pre-flood.

What was his name? Do you know the name of his research paper?

Through his research, he found that he could make animals change size. He made a piranha somewhere around 40% larger, maybe more, than what it is today. That proves that back then, animals weren't the exact same as they are today. With that, it's not impossible to believe Noah fit all of those animals on his boat. It's a pretty big boat btw.

When did this flood happen? Is it the same flood that is written about in the bible?

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Typhon

It doesn't matter if animals were under a pound back then. There are literally millions of species. The size of the boat wouldn't just have to be "big" it would have to be the size of countries, or a continent. Noah wouldn't be capable of gathering all of that wood and building the ship himself, then gathering two of every animal (while ignoring the Dinosaurs) within a thousand life times, let alone one. Its just not possible. So your statement before about the bible not being proven wrong, is factually false. Not to mention it directly contradicts itself plenty of times.

Also, care to link where you're getting your "facts" from? Because they're most certainly not true.

You do know dogs come from wolves? It's highly unlikely that back then, Noah had a pet pug or Great Dane. Through cross-breeding, new species are made. They didn't have those species back then. So really, you wouldn't need a boat the size of a continent.

There's a thing called the Internet. I shouldn't have to have a Works Cited page because you don't believe what I'm saying. And you don't ask all the other Evolutionists here for their links and sites. It's a little thing called credibility. If you don't believe what I say, that's your choice.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

for all u people who dont believe in evolution .you guys can suck it and take ur ass back to school. and im also a christian but u cant have the common sense to put two and two together . then a , i guess we all going to hell

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

You do know dogs come from wolves? It's highly unlikely that back then, Noah had a pet pug or Great Dane. Through cross-breeding, new species are made. They didn't have those species back then. So really, you wouldn't need a boat the size of a continent.

There's a thing called the Internet. I shouldn't have to have a Works Cited page because you don't believe what I'm saying. And you don't ask all the other Evolutionists here for their links and sites. It's a little thing called credibility. If you don't believe what I say, that's your choice.

may i just say that if 1/7th of the atmosphere was wiped out there would be no more humans. at all. also animals used to be bigger not smaller because there was more oxygen in the air so they could grow to larger levels also how do you counter dinosaurs and carbon dating.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by gameove

for all u people who dont believe in evolution .you guys can suck it and take ur ass back to school. and im also a christian but u cant have the common sense to put two and two together . then a , i guess we all going to hell

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

You do know dogs come from wolves? It's highly unlikely that back then, Noah had a pet pug or Great Dane. Through cross-breeding, new species are made. They didn't have those species back then. So really, you wouldn't need a boat the size of a continent.

There's a thing called the Internet. I shouldn't have to have a Works Cited page because you don't believe what I'm saying. And you don't ask all the other Evolutionists here for their links and sites. It's a little thing called credibility. If you don't believe what I say, that's your choice.

I honestly believe that the holy books should not be followed word for word, but be used as a foundation for morals, if even that.
They are clearly not facts so I don't understand why people allow themselves to simply get mouthfed them as if they are. It's ok to believe in a God who created life or made the laws of the universe/correct conditions on this planet seeing as we have no proof either way but not ok to believe that god just randomly made 2 people who were tricked by a snake to eat a mystical fruit or that he ordered some guy to somehow fit all the animals of the world in a boat (not even possible at that time) or any stories of the like despite all the proof against it... (I am merely summarizing these stories and I honestly don't mean to be offensive. I grew up with these stories so I do know the entirety of it but for times sake, I'm grossly summarizing them.)

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

You do know dogs come from wolves? It's highly unlikely that back then, Noah had a pet pug or Great Dane. Through cross-breeding, new species are made. They didn't have those species back then. So really, you wouldn't need a boat the size of a continent.

There's a thing called the Internet. I shouldn't have to have a Works Cited page because you don't believe what I'm saying. And you don't ask all the other Evolutionists here for their links and sites. It's a little thing called credibility. If you don't believe what I say, that's your choice.

All dogs are the same species, so your point is moot. Selective breeding to create different "breeds" of dog does not create new species. And basically what you just told me is "Evolution happened after Noah's Ark to create many more species today than there were back then." Which suggests that you support evolution.....kind of an odd way of explaining it, no?

And the reason why I don't ask for their sources is because these are things I've learned before, I already know where they get their information from as I've learned it for myself beforehand. You on the other hand are throwing out statements I've never heard before and claiming them to be facts, and I'm just curious as to where you're getting this information from. Of course you don't have to reveal those sources, but if you're trying to have an intelligent discussion its pretty counter productive to say "just take my word for it".

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Hipster Madara

I honestly believe that the holy books should not be followed word for word, but be used as a foundation for morals, if even that.
They are clearly not facts so I don't understand why people allow themselves to simply get mouthfed them as if they are. It's ok to believe in a God who created life or made the laws of the universe/correct conditions on this planet seeing as we have no proof either way but not ok to believe that god just randomly made 2 people who were tricked by a snake to eat a mystical fruit or that he ordered some guy to somehow fit all the animals of the world in a boat (not even possible at that time) or any stories of the like despite all the proof against it... (I am merely summarizing these stories and I honestly don't mean to be offensive. I grew up with these stories so I do know the entirety of it but for times sake, I'm grossly summarizing them.)

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by thegreatninja13

may i just say that if 1/7th of the atmosphere was wiped out there would be no more humans. at all. also animals used to be bigger not smaller because there was more oxygen in the air so they could grow to larger levels also how do you counter dinosaurs and carbon dating.

All of the stuff I've learned has basically been in my Christian high school, my biological father (who is pretty smart), and researching. Btw, I'm only 16. I'm not a scientist and don't plan to be. To be completely honest, I've learned of carbon dating but forget exactly what it is. However, I've given enough facts earlier on in this debate to support creation and disprove evolution. However, I don't know the answer to everything, as I am still growing in my faith and knowledge.

The bottom line is, and I've said it a good 3 or 4 times already, it's what you believe. Some believe in God and some don't. People such as you and I are going to have to deal with it.

Re: Evolution. Were we really envolve from monkeys?

Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi

All of the stuff I've learned has basically been in my Christian high school, my biological father (who is pretty smart), and researching. Btw, I'm only 16. I'm not a scientist and don't plan to be. To be completely honest, I've learned of carbon dating but forget exactly what it is. However, I've given enough facts earlier on in this debate to support creation and disprove evolution. However, I don't know the answer to everything, as I am still growing in my faith and knowledge.

The bottom line is, and I've said it a good 3 or 4 times already, it's what you believe. Some believe in God and some don't. Deal with it.

see i am a scientist. i could state facts to you through arduous equations to prove points but you wouldnt understand but i am also religious i believe in god frankly nothing you have said came anywhere close to even remotley almost disproving evolution rubidium and strontium dating is measuring the decay of radio active isotopes and dating them back to the creation of said isotopes. it is increadibly accurate and has dated rocks and mineralls back hundreds of millions of years also how do you account for fossile records and the layers of rocks seperating the animals of different time periods