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With Halo 5 for this year and Halo Wars 2/Gears 4 for next year, it does make me wonder what their big exclusive will be for holiday 2017. I could actually see them trying to quicken the output of Halo to a two year cycle as well. Or they may try harder to get third party deals for 2017 to hold them over until Halo 6 in 2018.

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With Halo 5 for this year and Halo Wars 2/Gears 4 for next year, it does make me wonder what their big exclusive will be for holiday 2017. I could actually see them trying to quicken the output of Halo to a two year cycle as well. Or they may try harder to get third party deals for 2017 to hold them over until Halo 6 in 2018.

I think they sell well enough, but from what I understand, car games are in decline overall. Though, Gran Turismo Sport will probably sell a lot, just because of the brand. GT6 (releasing on PS3 after PS4 launched with virtually no marketing campaign) still managed to sell 4.71 million copies. Forza will not be going away any time soon.

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I think they sell well enough, but from what I understand, car games are in decline. Though, Gran Turismo Sport will probably sell a lot, just because of the brand. GT6 (releasing on PS3 after PS4 launched with virtually no marketing campaign) still managed to sell 4.71 million copies.

I would guess so if they keep on pushing them. The games are never huge sellers though. MS wants a racing series to compete with Gran Turismo (and I guess Driveclub now) so I believe that a Forza game would have to REALLY bomb (maybe NBA Live levels) for them to consider stopping the series.

Guess we will find out what they will do with the Forza brand in a few months. I would be very excited/pumped if Horizon 3 is set for 2016 but I'm in no rush at all. Forza Motorsport 6 (and Horizon 2 for that matter) could last me the whole gen as is.

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I would guess so if they keep on pushing them. The games are never huge sellers though. MS wants a racing series to compete with Gran Turismo (and I guess Driveclub now) so I believe that a Forza game would have to REALLY bomb (maybe NBA Live levels) for them to consider stopping the series.

Guess we will find out what they will do with the Forza brand in a few months. I would be very excited/pumped if Horizon 3 is set for 2016 but I'm in no rush at all. Forza Motorsport 6 (and Horizon 2 for that matter) could last me the whole gen as is.

I remember reading back before the PS4 launched that they were thinking of giving Driveclub GT branding (so, I guess a spinoff of GT) but Polyphony turned it down. I could have seen that causing more comparisons (Driveclub vs. Horizon).

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I remember reading back before the PS4 launched that they were thinking of giving Driveclub GT branding (so, I guess a spinoff of GT) but Polyphony turned it down. I could have seen that causing more comparisons (Driveclub vs. Horizon).

The thing that still isn't clear is if Gran Turismo Sport is meant to be a spin-off of Gran Turismo like how Forza Horizon is a spin-off for Forza Motorsport (I'm not saying GT Sport will be the same type of game as FH, but simply a spin-off).

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The thing that still isn't clear is if Gran Turismo Sport is meant to be a spin-off of Gran Turismo like how Forza Horizon is a spin-off for Forza Motorsport (I'm not saying GT Sport will be the same type of game as FH, but simply a spin-off).

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I remember reading back before the PS4 launched that they were thinking of giving Driveclub GT branding (so, I guess a spinoff of GT) but Polyphony turned it down. I could have seen that causing more comparisons (Driveclub vs. Horizon).

One of the things EVO came out and said with DC from the get go was that this was a pet project they wanted to make for over 10 years, and they trademarked Driveclub since over 10 years ago biding their time.

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I remember reading back before the PS4 launched that they were thinking of giving Driveclub GT branding (so, I guess a spinoff of GT) but Polyphony turned it down. I could have seen that causing more comparisons (Driveclub vs. Horizon).

The thing that still isn't clear is if Gran Turismo Sport is meant to be a spin-off of Gran Turismo like how Forza Horizon is a spin-off for Forza Motorsport (I'm not saying GT Sport will be the same type of game as FH, but simply a spin-off).

I may be wrong, but with all being considered, I think that the gap will be even bigger in December than November. I think that with both added we could be looking at > 600k gap between the two months in NPD.

Yet another interesting month

Also, on the hourly, both PS4 bundles (CoD& BF) are right back above the XB1 GeoW, but that is subject to wild variations.

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I frankly don't understand why Queso lost it a little bit there. It was a perfectly reasonable line of questions and discussion, and very reasonable to, upon facing a very strong correlation, to actually ask what's causing it.

It was a reasonable line of questions and discussion... back when we did the whole line of questions and discussion the first time some weeks ago.

Then the same questions come back. And the same responses, and the same challenges to positions I'm not even taking.

All I've EVER stated, was that the data correlates, and my HYPOTHESIS is that it's not the audience moving away from packaged console games, but rather publishers.

I never said that the hypothesis was the truth. I never claimed it could be proven. I never claimed that the correlation is foolproof.

THERE'S NO WAY TO PROVE THAT A CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP EXISTS. I've said that over and over.

There's no way to estimate the impact of digital, because no reliable source of digital data exists.

So when I'm hounded again and again by certain users to PROVE my hypothesis with unquestionable proof, and I say that I cannot do that, nor am I claiming I am able to, I get the same line of questions again.

WTF am I supposed to do? The data isn't available to solve for X. It just isn't.

So why would anyone continue to engage in discussing a topic when they've already admitted the limitations to what they're presenting, that there are a number of unknown factors, and a number of unmeasurable, unknown influencers?

It's like people want to throw away what limited data that DOES exist because a bunch of stuff DOES NOT exist.

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This is a little off topic, but I just want to say we really appreciate your posts Queso. I'm not a big sales poster yet but it does intrigue me a lot and is a big reason I stuck around Neogaf. Your posts have a lot of really good info and food for thought. You can learn a lot about the industry from your comments.

Yeah, big trouble for MS incoming. Scalebound's destiny (no pun intended) is to bomb (again, no pun intended), and the reactions to the Gears 4 announcement so far was just... abysmal. Uncharted 4 is all over the place, getting a lot of headlines and premature praise, but almost no one talks about Gears 4. Just look at the thread for the most anticipated game of 2016 (voting ends in 3 days btw.). I doubt Gears 4 will make it into the Top 10 and that says a lot for a title which is supposed to be a headliner for its platform.

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It was widely available only during the first week of the month.
It was totally sold out during the Episode 7 launch week and it has been replaced by the COD bundle.

Indeed I think the monthly chart still needs to be properly updated and it's missing datas.
Gap between Star Wars bundle and Gears of War bundle should get smaller, while the COD bundle which is still absent in the monthly chart should enter and surpass the Uncharted bundle by the end of NPD tracking period.

Despite never having released, that sort of reminds me of what LittleBigPlanet Hub was meant to be. It was meant to be a free to play version of LittleBigPlanet for PS3 that was compatible with everything made for LBP1 and LBP2 (maybe even LBP3). I hope they bring it to PS4 (if it's not shelved completely).

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Yeah, big trouble for MS incoming. Scalebound's destiny (no pun intended) is to bomb (again, no pun intended), and the reactions to the Gears 4 announcement so far was just... abysmal. Uncharted 4 is all over the place, getting a lot of headlines and premature praise, but almost no one talks about Gears 4. Just look at the thread for the most anticipated game of 2016 (voting ends in 3 days btw.). I doubt Gears 4 will make it into the Top 10 and that says a lot for a title which is supposed to be a headliner for its platform.

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Yeah, big trouble for MS incoming. Scalebound's destiny (no pun intended) is to bomb (again, no pun intended), and the reactions to the Gears 4 announcement so far was just... abysmal. Uncharted 4 is all over the place, getting a lot of headlines and premature praise, but almost no one talks about Gears 4. Just look at the thread for the most anticipated game of 2016 (voting ends in 3 days btw.). I doubt Gears 4 will make it into the Top 10 and that says a lot for a title which is supposed to be a headliner for its platform.

Gears isn't coming out anytime soon so of course it's not going to top Uncharted on anticipated lists right now (that's outside of the fact that it's an exclusive on the lower selling console). We'll see how things are once the "hype train" starts with more info, footage, and details.

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Despite never having released, that sort of reminds me of what LittleBigPlanet Hub was meant to be. It was meant to be a free to play version of LittleBigPlanet for PS3 that was compatible with everything made for LBP1 and LBP2 (maybe even LBP3). I hope they bring it to PS4 (if it's not shelved completely).

That's not happening. LBP3 allows players to access all content from LBP1+2. I'd guess Sony either felt they needed more retail content for Christmas or that making LBP a F2P title wouldn't work, LBP3 is LBP Hub.

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Yeah, big trouble for MS incoming. Scalebound's destiny (no pun intended) is to bomb (again, no pun intended), and the reactions to the Gears 4 announcement so far was just... abysmal. Uncharted 4 is all over the place, getting a lot of headlines and premature praise, but almost no one talks about Gears 4. Just look at the thread for the most anticipated game of 2016 (voting ends in 3 days btw.). I doubt Gears 4 will make it into the Top 10 and that says a lot for a title which is supposed to be a headliner for its platform.

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Yeah, big trouble for MS incoming. Scalebound's destiny (no pun intended) is to bomb (again, no pun intended), and the reactions to the Gears 4 announcement so far was just... abysmal. Uncharted 4 is all over the place, getting a lot of headlines and premature praise, but almost no one talks about Gears 4. Just look at the thread for the most anticipated game of 2016 (voting ends in 3 days btw.). I doubt Gears 4 will make it into the Top 10 and that says a lot for a title which is supposed to be a headliner for its platform.

It's being made by a new developer that doesn't have Epic's legacy nor history with the franchise, and to make matters worse, it's first gameplay showing at E3 was rather weak. It's definitely got a lot to prove, though that's not to say it can't still turn out amazing.