<quoted text>I already explained it your just trying to make Christianity gay. People are born impotent and would automatically be celibate, so you wouldn't need to castrate them. Eunuch doesn't mean gay, stop spreading lies from the pit of hell. Yes god loved gays so much he kills them! No matter how many ways you translate gods word they still burn in hell. Leviticus 20:13KJV:(King James Version, 1611): If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.LB:(Living Bible, 1971): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves.NIV:(New International Version, 1984): If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.MSG (The Message, 1993): If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.NLT:(New Living Translation, 1996): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act, and are guilty of a capital offense.NET:(New English Translation, 2005): If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.You must be the author of the new piece of trash Queen James Bible. You will burn with the gays! Amen

Prove that any of the so-called scripture against people who God created with only the ability to be attracted to the same gender are NOT only about straight people having sex with the same gender for pagan worship.

<quoted text> 19:12 There are some eunuchs. The classes are named who need not marry:(1) Those born physicallyincompetent; (2) those made eunuchs by mutilation, once a very common practice in the East, and (3) those who abstain from marriage to devote themselves, free from worldly cares, to Christ's work. Paul was as example.(1Co 7:7,8).So yes you lied a eunuch is not a gay!...

You haven't proved that as of yet.

Just like you cannot explain why God creates some people with ONLY the attraction to the same gender, and then condemn them for it. YOUR god may be a sick and twisted thing, but Jesus was not such a creature.

Sin is a choice, and gay people can make bad choices. But being gay is not one of those choices.

Here is one of many articles on the hard evidence that has been found showing that being gay is something that is determined before birth and there are actual biological differences in the brains of homosexual versus heterosexual:

Being born gay is something gay people have been insisting all along but hate based religions reject this truth as it conflicts with their misinterpretation of scripture. People have been burned alive over this insanity!

Rejecting reality to protect one's religious beliefs is insane! Unfortunately it happens all the time.

False hate and fear based religion is a millstone around the neck of humanity and is impeding our true evolution in LOVE as a species!

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

<quoted text>Never has been until the born again evangelical movement started in themid 1970's so the republican party could resurrect Christian REconstructionism, create wedge issues like abortion and homosexuality, and get the "flock" to vote republicans, making themselves poorer and the rich richer.

<quoted text>Man lie with man = death. Simple! Your opinion is man lie with man in private fine! Man lie with woman public fine! Man lie with man in public = death! That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You see I'm going to heaven and there won't be any gays there, they will burn with all the new age fake pro homo Christians! Thank God there are no gays at my church because I wouldn't want it struck by lightning! I listen to no man or woman twisted version of Christianity. I only need my Bible and God. If I need help with Scripture I ask God! He often answers instantly but sometimes its the next day or next month but he always answers! He has even awaken me at night with an answer or answered it in my dreams. So I don't need your flawed view of God when I have the real God! Amen

Here is one of many articles on the hard evidence that has been found showing that being gay is something that is determined before birth and there are actual biological differences in the brains of homosexual versus heterosexual:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...Being born gay is something gay people have been insisting all along but hate based religions reject this truth as it conflicts with their misinterpretation of scripture. People have been burned alive over this insanity!Rejecting reality to protect one's religious beliefs is insane! Unfortunately it happens all the time.False hate and fear based religion is a millstone around the neck of humanity and is impeding our true evolution in LOVE as a species!We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Your post is wonderful and I believe accurate! I couldn't have expressed it nearly as well as you just have. You seem to be one of the few here who truly understand what being religious is about and I sure commend you for it!! God bless :)

<quoted text>You haven't proved that as of yet.Just like you cannot explain why God creates some people with ONLY the attraction to the same gender, and then condemn them for it. YOUR god may be a sick and twisted thing, but Jesus was not such a creature.Sin is a choice, and gay people can make bad choices. But being gay is not one of those choices.It is a God given trait.If you don't like that, complain to the God who made us.

Quest, you're right; God created some people homosexual. People forget that the soul has NO GENDER. Being gay is not a choice; it's simply a fact of life.

<quoted text>Your post is wonderful and I believe accurate! I couldn't have expressed it nearly as well as you just have. You seem to be one of the few here who truly understand what being religious is about and I sure commend you for it!! God bless :)

thank you!

I go back and forth about staying on topix. The hate really gets to me at times.

An easy way to judge the accuracy of any statement about spirituality is to take a child's viewpoint and look at it through the eyes of LOVE.

To deny scientific evidence that shows the reality of our existence to support the hate of any minority group in the name of religion can clearly be seen not to fit the GOD of the historical Jesus:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

Gay people want to demonstrate the glory of GOD in a sacred relationship built on LOVE just as much as the rest of us! A couple in LOVE is a demonstration of GOD'S GLORY

hate based religions based on so called conditional love are not even remotely Christian!

Military rape is not homosexuality. TRUE Sexuality in any form is an expression of LOVE. Rape is an exercise of dominance just as is the patriarchal form of marriage forced on people by patriarchal religions that mistakenly call themselves Christian.

People fall in LOVE despite the patriarchal marital relationship forced on society in the name of religion not because of it!

<quoted text>thank you!I go back and forth about staying on topix. The hate really gets to me at times.An easy way to judge the accuracy of any statement about spirituality is to take a child's viewpoint and look at it through the eyes of LOVE.To deny scientific evidence that shows the reality of our existence to support the hate of any minority group in the name of religion can clearly be seen not to fit the GOD of the historical Jesus:1 John 4:8 (King James Version)"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

Gay people want to demonstrate the glory of GOD in a sacred relationship built on LOVE just as much as the rest of us! A couple in LOVE is a demonstration of GOD'S GLORYhate based religions based on so called conditional love are not even remotely Christian!Military rape is not homosexuality. TRUE Sexuality in any form is an expression of LOVE. Rape is an exercise of dominance just as is the patriarchal form of marriage forced on people by patriarchal religions that mistakenly call themselves Christian.People fall in LOVE despite the patriarchal marital relationship forced on society in the name of religion not because of it!GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Grandpasmurf952 - I really like you a lot! You display true unconditional love, the type Jesus stressed and ultimately gave His life for, but the RCC is so totally and unyieldingly conditional.

Your post is refreshingly clear and expresses the way Jesus wanted us to love one another. I feel fortunate to have met you, as you set a great example :)

<quoted text>Grandpasmurf952 - I really like you a lot! You display true unconditional love, the type Jesus stressed and ultimately gave His life for, but the RCC is so totally and unyieldingly conditional.Your post is refreshingly clear and expresses the way Jesus wanted us to love one another. I feel fortunate to have met you, as you set a great example :)

Not everyone speaks as kindly as you do about me.

The Christianity I consider real was destroyed by the Romans and replaced with what we have now. I have been trying to encourage people to help restore historical Christianity based on the reality that the historical Jesus was a Jew and focused his teachings on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel using the Hebrew Scriptures exclusively in his ministry as these were the only scriptures in existence at the time.

What is totally amazing is that now in the 21st century science is beginning to prove the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel with such events as the confirmation of Bell's theory on entangled particles and David Bohm's work on the holographic nature of the Cosmos. Religions based on god(s) of conditional love don't want to hear this at all!

For bringing this issue up I have been attacked hatefully by all sides here on the topix religious forums who normally hurl insults at each other instead.

Some have even accused me of being Satanic for trying to get people to realize the foundation of the message of the historical Jesus was all about unconditional LOVE.

There are even websites created by so called Christian fundamentalists who insist that unconditional LOVE is from Satan!

Anyway, thank you for the complement. I usually post in the Jehovah's Witness forum as that is the religion I grew up with. My brother and sister are still trapped in the cult and I am hoping to successfully expose it for what it is so I can free them and of course the others that have been tricked into this cult.

I started a thread on the Roman Catholic Church and the outlawing of reincarnation in the 6th century by the Roman Emperor Justinian this morning that you might find interesting:

<quoted text>You haven't proved that as of yet.Just like you cannot explain why God creates some people with ONLY the attraction to the same gender, and then condemn them for it. YOUR god may be a sick and twisted thing, but Jesus was not such a creature.Sin is a choice, and gay people can make bad choices. But being gay is not one of those choices.It is a God given trait.If you don't like that, complain to the God who made us.

Just like you can't explain why God creates some people with ONLY the attraction to the opposite gender, and than condemns them if they have sex without being married, and than limits that sexual behavior to that one spouse and none other. And Jesus endorsed those opposite sex limitations concerning sexual behavior. Now what?

Here is one of many articles on the hard evidence that has been found showing that being gay is something that is determined before birth and there are actual biological differences in the brains of homosexual versus heterosexual:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story...Being born gay is something gay people have been insisting all along but hate based religions reject this truth as it conflicts with their misinterpretation of scripture. People have been burned alive over this insanity!Rejecting reality to protect one's religious beliefs is insane! Unfortunately it happens all the time.False hate and fear based religion is a millstone around the neck of humanity and is impeding our true evolution in LOVE as a species!We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Theistic inclined opposite sex orientated people (though they do it wrongly according to their scriptures) have never tried to validate adultery as being okay with God. Also (though many participate in the act wrongly against their scriptures) they don't try and justify premarital sex and claim God is okay with it. Though many do it (and it's against their scriptures) and live in "unmarried shack-up relationships" they have never claimed God is good with unmarried sexual relationships.How in the heck do you think they would justify same sex sexual relations if they won't justify opposite sex sexual relations?

<quoted text>Your post is wonderful and I believe accurate! I couldn't have expressed it nearly as well as you just have. You seem to be one of the few here who truly understand what being religious is about and I sure commend you for it!! God bless :)

I wouldn't jump on any band wagon with smurf and pat his back till you understand his motives for theism just yet.He doesn't believe in the Bible as far as how most believe in it.Smurf has ripped the Bible apart and assimilated together those parts that fit his current theistic ideology.In other words, Smurf doesn't believe in the Bible. He demonizes most of it's characters and contents as evil and full of hate speech.Smurf understands what smurf believes and nothing more. God is what Smurf defines him as being. You'd be wise to read his posts, just saying.

<quoted text>Theistic inclined opposite sex orientated people (though they do it wrongly according to their scriptures) have never tried to validate adultery as being okay with God. Also (though many participate in the act wrongly against their scriptures) they don't try and justify premarital sex and claim God is okay with it. Though many do it (and it's against their scriptures) and live in "unmarried shack-up relationships" they have never claimed God is good with unmarried sexual relationships.How in the heck do you think they would justify same sex sexual relations if they won't justify opposite sex sexual relations?

To outlaw marriage for gay people and than say they are evil because they live in sin is insane.

Think about it.

If you don't want gay people living in sin, legalize marriage!

It has been scientifically confirmed that sexual orientation is determined before birth.

To deny hard evidence to support a religious belief system that opposes homosexuality based on a misunderstanding of the nature of military rape and male prostitution in an ancient culture is just plain nuts!

And to deny the validity of the two homosexual love stories in the bible is even more ridiculous!

<quoted text>Not everyone speaks as kindly as you do about me.The Christianity I consider real was destroyed by the Romans and replaced with what we have now. For bringing this issue up I have been attacked hatefully by all sides here on the topix religious forums who normally hurl insults at each other instead.Some have even accused me of being Satanic for trying to get people to realize the foundation of the message of the historical Jesus was all about unconditional LOVE.

Why don't you explain why Bible thumpers attack you? They believe in the Bible(with or without mistakes)and you don't. You who doesn't believe in the Bible attack those that do and you act surprised that they find offense with you?You attack their beliefs in that book with rants and statements filled with hate and anger. But the real hypocrisy is though you believe in sources out side of the Bible content to believe in God, if someone else believes in sources out side of the Bible content, you turn into a vicious mean mouthed anti-religious bigot telling them how wrong and awful they are to have did such a thing. Why don't you explain the actual truth instead of feeding them hog wash for why people are against you?

<quoted text>To outlaw marriage for gay people and than say they are evil because they live in sin is insane.Think about it.If you don't want gay people living in sin, legalize marriage!It has been scientifically confirmed that sexual orientation is determined before birth.To deny hard evidence to support a religious belief system that opposes homosexuality based on a misunderstanding of the nature of military rape and male prostitution in an ancient culture is just plain nuts!And to deny the validity of the two homosexual love stories in the bible is even more ridiculous!

Same sex marriage was outlawed only after people tried to equate it with opposite sex marriage. Prior to that, same sex marriage wasn't an issue because it wasn't accepted as a valid relationship that produced children. Just as a pre-marital relationship between opposites wasn't accepted as valid because they weren't married. But non-married sexual relationships have always been tolerated be they same sex or opposite sex.For several thousand years in most modern cultures, they understood the difference between why marriage between opposite sex people existed and why all other forms of sexual interactions were tolerated but none made equal to the purpose of an opposite sex marriage. Most of the people on this earth this very day, they still recognize the difference of "established traditional opposite sex marriages and it's essential purpose" and having sexual interactions with whom ever one wishes to have sex with.Science has long established that males of the human species weren't born to mate with a single female and live with that single female all their life. It's a proven scientific biological fact of human males.Since it's a fact, like what you claim is a fact of homosexuals, should laws be petitioned to out law marriage so males can have sex with multiple female partners as biology drives them to do? To have sex with many different females? That's your logic!

<quoted text>Grandpasmurf952 - I really like you a lot! You display true unconditional love, the type Jesus stressed and ultimately gave His life for, but the RCC is so totally and unyieldingly conditional.Your post is refreshingly clear and expresses the way Jesus wanted us to love one another. I feel fortunate to have met you, as you set a great example :)

So are the born again evagelicals...only they go so far as to SHOOT abortion doctors.

I think the RCC may be against gay marriage, duh, but not all Catholics feel that way.

Marriage is a state license to make an agreement legal. HOly Matrimony is where the church says people marry in the sight of God. Don't want to have your church perform holy matrimony on same sex marriages, fine.

But there still is NOT biblical proof that GOD NOR Christ were against homosexuals. There's MEN writing as JEWS who were appalled by the public displays, but NO where is God quoted nor CHRIST quoted as saying homosexuality is wrong.

<quoted text>Why don't you explain why Bible thumpers attack you? They believe in the Bible(with or without mistakes)and you don't. You who doesn't believe in the Bible attack those that do and you act surprised that they find offense with you?You attack their beliefs in that book with rants and statements filled with hate and anger.But the real hypocrisy is though you believe in sources out side of the Bible content to believe in God, if someone else believes in sources out side of the Bible content, you turn into a vicious mean mouthed anti-religious bigot telling them how wrong and awful they are to have did such a thing.Why don't you explain the actual truth instead of feeding them hog wash for why people are against you?

First off I don't attack people I attack false religion which has afflicted the entire human race with a form of insanity that needs to be healed.

I provide documented proof for my statements pointing out flaws in a given belief system. I have to go up against irrational people like you full of rage and fear of a false god of conditional love.

I do this because it needs to be done. I take no pleasure in hurting people's feelings.

And I do not use vicious language. I have not said anything that could be construed to be vicious as you claim. You are trying to put words into my mouth again.

And since everything posted is still here you need to search for and find what you are accusing me of saying or admit how you tried to defame my character with false accusations.

I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth.

The example of the Mountain Meadows Massacre that your masters in Salt Lake City still deny responsibility for says volumes about religious bigotry and hate.

And to tell the truth, the treachery of those who did the butchering of so many people at Mountain Meadows does tend to make me somewhat angry. Especially when your leaders still try to lie their way out of accepting responsibility for it.

A religious bigot would be someone who thinks their particular religion is the only right religion and all others are evil. You know! Like the Mormons, the Catholics, the Jehovah's Witnesses, all claiming to be the only true religion! Religious tolerance is inherently dishonest as these religions and many more demonstrate. And that is just the tip of the iceberg!

I don't consider false religion evil anymore than believing in Santa Claus is evil. But I do consider it a cause of insanity and this has been observed by professionals all over the globe.

I am pointing out the dangers of the insanity of false religions such as the organization of Later Day Saints and others that need to be exposed as such for the sake of humanity.

I am not surprised that people like you take offense with me. I am exposing the false belief system that you mistakenly consider your ticket to immortality.

You perceive this as an attack on your person as you think it is threatening your survival. That is why you accuse me of attacking people.

Actually it should do just the opposite. If you let go of your false belief system you might be able to expand your consciousness into something that is real.

And your post says an awful lot about why I say many people are against me. You are not the only one that gets really, really upset at my writings but you are one of the more prolific posters when you get stirred up!

I won't back down. You don't like the Mountain Meadows Massacre and other skeletons in the church's closet being brought up but with the advent of the internet more and more people are going to start studying your church from the outside looking in and they are not going to like what they see!

If TRUTH rapidly spread by the masses can bring down the Soviet Union think what it can do to false religion!

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