Some good in with the bad but I think this class is extremely weak at WR. With more and more character issues with Bryant and us having so many needs I say we do not look wr until 3 unless Benn is there in the 2nd. Also did not realize we could have had Bowe instead of Ginn man talk about a punch in the face on that one

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:34 am

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

What are the more and more character issues with Bryant?

Dez is the best WR to come out since Calvin Johnson. If you look at a lot of the 1st round busts, they have basically been one dimensional players.

Ginn, Bey, Williamson, Davis....all pure speed guys. And then obviously there are the character issue players like Williams.

I have questioned Dez's immaturity in the past, but he doesn't have any real off the field issues, and his talent is undeniable. Speed, route running, hands, YAC, strength, the ability to go up and make a play......the guy has it all.

Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:21 pm

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

His problem (supposedly) is motivation. He's lazy and routinely late according to Jason Cole's "sources."

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:50 pm

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

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Some good in with the bad but I think this class is extremely weak at WR. With more and more character issues with Bryant and us having so many needs I say we do not look wr until 3

....Huh!!! The draft class for WR is weak, so let's wait till the 3rd round to draft one? Last year's WR class was one of the strongest in recent memory, so we waited till the 3rd round to draft Patrick Turner....who then sat on the bench all year. Please tell me the logic in waiting till the 3rd round this year???????

This team has needed a true #1 receiver for years. Draft one, or bring one in by free agency. If the Dolphins continue to stay stuck on stupid, then the team will continue to flounder. Look at last year's playoff teams. All but one got there on the strength of their offensive teams....and it was the passing game that drove most of those offenses. The NFL is a passing league. The Jets even featured Braylon Edwards....a receiver quantum leaps ahead of any of ours. We got the QB now....so get him some darn toys.

Dez Bryant is clearly the best WR in this year's draft. If he is there at #12, we would be insane not to take him. But, then again, this is the team that drafted Pat White and brought in Wilford and Gibril Wilson....so mistakes are not something they have entirely avoided.

Also, that list of 1st round WR's is chock full of stars....and guys who show signs of being better than any receiver on our team. I will highlight the top receivers from that list...looks like quite a few guys who would have made our team better:

2005Braylon Edwards Mark ClaytonRoddy White

2006Santonio Holmes

2007Calvin JohnsonDwayne BoweRobert MeachemAnthony Gonzalez

2009Michael CrabtreeJeremy MaclinPercy HarvinHakeem NicksKenny Britt

2nd Rounders2005Vincent Jackson

2006Sinorice MossGreg Jennings

2007Sidney RiceSteve Smith (NYG)

2008Donnie AveryJordy NelsonEddie RoyalDesean Jackson

2009Mohamed Massaquoi

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:39 pm

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

Mark Clayton, Sinorice Moss and Dwayne Bowe are not better than this team has. Sidney Rice had a decent year with Berrian, Peterson and Favre..I wouldn't put him above Miami's receivers either.

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:59 pm

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

Dwayne Bowe and Sidney Rice have stats that clearly show they are superior to our team's wide receivers.

Yep....Bowe is a better receiver.....I would take him any day over Ginn. He is also better than Bess. Hartline is the only receiver we have that is close to being as big a threat to score....but he is just a rookie and we will have to wait and see.

Sidney Rice (3 year pro)

129 Rec 1,849 yds 14.3 avg 16 TD's

Closer match against Ginn....but still clearly has figured out where the endzone is. Rice did this with Tarvaris Jackson as his QB for 2 years....and Rice only started in 7 games total in 2007 and 2008. He started 14 games in 2009. So...yep....Rice is a better receiver than Ginn. Clearly he is better than Bess. Hartline is our closest match for him in terms of production in 2009.

So....yeah Bowe and Rice are better than our current crop of wide receivers. What makes you think otherwise? You are right about Sinorice Moss though....I should have scratched him off that list.

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Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:14 pm

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

FrustratedFinFan wrote:

Dwayne Bowe and Sidney Rice have stats that clearly show they are superior to our team's wide receivers.

Because stats are the only thing that matter...Regardless, you only compared them to Ginn...who is just awful.

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

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Rice did this with Tarvaris Jackson as his QB for 2 years....and Rice only started in 7 games total in 2007 and 2008. He started 14 games in 2009.

Incorrect, he had Gus Frerotte in 2008...and you act like because he only started 7 games total in two years that that makes him good...if you aren't starting, doesn't that say something about the coaching staff's faith in you? I think it does.

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

I agree we need more playmakers. Our receivers aren't awful, they are just very similar (possession receivers without big YAC ability). Ginn has the speed and has shown flashes, but I think even the last of his die hard fans have given up on him being the playmaking WR you lean on.

The Dez Bryant character concerns are just that, concerning, but weren't the same things said about Crabtree? Once he actually made it on the field he was highly productive.

I don't have an issue with drafting Bryant but I don't think he will be there and I doubt even more that the front office looks at anything other than defense in the first few rounds.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:42 am

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

If I understand it correctly, isn't Bowe a bigger, stronger version of Chambers? Great playmaking ability but inconsistent hands?

Pretty sure Rice had a good rookie year, was hurt in 08, and rebounded nicely this past season. I'd take him in a heartbeat because of size and toughness.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:44 am

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

Is a first round WR worth it? "IF" Dez Bryant is our pick, then absolutely without a doubt. Beyond him, I am not so sure in this years draft.

I like that kid from Georgia Tech, but not with a first round pick.

Dez Bryant, if he stays healthy, I would expect a great chance of being an All-Pro wideout in the NFL.

IMO, he would even be worth trading down ahead of Denver, if he makes it that far. He can be a star for many years to come.

Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:07 am

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Re: is a first round WR worth it?

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Is a first round WR worth it? "IF" Dez Bryant is our pick, then absolutely without a doubt. Beyond him, I am not so sure in this years draft.

I like that kid from Georgia Tech, but not with a first round pick.

Bryant is the only WR worth the 12th pick. I'd say Arrelious Benn and Golden Tate have a chance to be 1st round WRs, but I think there is some better talent at other positions that should be taken before them if we are talking about the 12th pick.

Demaryius Thomas could go anywhere from the 2nd to the late 3rd. Its possible he could go late 1st if a team falls in love with his upside.