eliminate the crap that happens in Iowa and New Hampshire as it's representative of what 1.3&#37; of what the USA is....

and as a first step... don't make states winner take all (Democrats hate hearing about this).... big step is making California a split electoral vote.... let the left win SF and LA and the coast... and let the right win OC and SD and the valley and mountains...

and then the second step... redistrict on plain geography, not drawing boundaries that suit one party or another.

then... after a couple elections pursue the plausibility of a popular election.

eliminate the crap that happens in Iowa and New Hampshire as it's representative of what 1.3% of what the USA is....

and as a first step... don't make states winner take all (Democrats hate hearing about this).... big step is making California a split electoral vote.... let the left win SF and LA and the coast... and let the right win OC and SD and the valley and mountains...

and then the second step... redistrict on plain geography, not drawing boundaries that suit one party or another. then... after a couple elections pursue the plausibility of a popular election.

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NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! At least I HOPE NOT!!!!! (The man absolutely terrifies me!) I just predicted he would win on the Republican side because there are an awful lot of fundamentalist voters out there...

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I think it's early to suggest that Edwards "drop out"; he finished second (barely, I'd admit) in the caucus. Edwards is relatively strong in Nevada and South Carolina -- if he pulls a surprise in any of the other January states (Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire), that'll rekindle his momentum.

I agree the odds are against him, but not by such an astronomical amount that he should withdraw after the first event in the race.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! At least I HOPE NOT!!!!! (The man absolutely terrifies me!) I just predicted he would win on the Republican side because there are an awful lot of fundamentalist voters out there...

President Obama would be just fine, though! :smile:

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President Obama is not a realistic possibility. Over the Christmas period, I had a chance to discuss politics with a some people from "America's heartland" and the attitude towards an Obama candidacy was accurately summed up by one person who said (and I apologize in advance if this offends anyone) "*igger has forgot his place in life." As sad as this is, as long as these attitudes are out there, an Obama presidency is not a possibility.

I think it's early to suggest that Edwards "drop out"; he finished second (barely, I'd admit) in the caucus. Edwards is relatively strong in Nevada and South Carolina -- if he pulls a surprise in any of the other January states (Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire), that'll rekindle his momentum.

I agree the odds are against him, but not by such an astronomical amount that he should withdraw after the first event in the race.

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I am shocked that Edwards finished second; I did not expect him to place in the top three regardless of what the polls say. Edwards in the begining tried to base his campign on sympathy because of a dying wife and now with accusation that he has a pregnant mistress, he is politically finished (regardless to wether the rumours are actually true or not). If by some stupid mircale he does win the nomination (or is the VEEP candidate) I feel that we might as well cancel the general election and swear in the republican nominee.

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President Obama is not a realistic possibility. Over the Christmas period, I had a chance to discuss politics with a some people from "America's heartland" and the attitude towards an Obama candidacy was accurately summed up by one person who said (and I apologize in advance if this offends anyone) "*igger has forgot his place in life." As sad as this is, as long as these attitudes are out there, an Obama presidency is not a possibility.

This is what I tried to say a year ago and many people here jumped down my throat like you wouldn't believe!

I am shocked that Edwards finished second; I did not expect him to place in the top three regardless of what the polls say. Edwards in the begining tried to base his campign on sympathy because of a dying wife and now with accusation that he has a pregnant mistress, he is politically finished (regardless to wether the rumours are actually true or not). If by some stupid mircale he does win the nomination (or is the VEEP candidate) I feel that we might as well cancel the general election and swear in the republican nominee.

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I'm shocked he finished 2nd as well. To me he has always been a bit of a milktoast. I hadn't heard the rumors about the pregnant mistress. That's horrible and a definite deathknell for his campaign if it is true or gets more press.