Start the Week Open Thread 11 February 2019

As we count down the days until UK leave the EU we now have another countdown – that of the showing of Tommy Robinsons’ Film about the BBC . How will the BBC prepare for it? How damaging will it be to them ? Will it have long term consequences ? Can but hope …

Dear Guardian lover.
Nobody at Biased BBC is in the least surprised by the “People’s vote”.
Some of us were surprised that the latest version of EU cheating took so long.
Or perhaps I should have said EEC cheating because that is what the UK joined.

We were not looking in the other direction when the EU imported tens of millions of our most implacable enemies to vote for more EU.

We were not looking in the other direction when the EU had repeat referenda every time there was an inconvient vote.

Many of us made the decision to leave, years, or even decades, ago.
We grabbed the opportunity when offered.
We are leaving.
If a few hundred treasonous MPs and several million traitors at large are collateral damage in the leaving process that will be just fine by me.

or just the lack of a bit of qualification when it suits?
BBC report on the El Paso incident says “He has claimed journalists are “the enemy of the people” and slammed the “fake news” for reports he deems unfavourable.
I think that enemies would only be the purveyors of fake news

My Twitter feed is swamped with BBC hacks making capital out of it. Like all their Christmases arrived together. Shocked, they are. To the core.

Has the internet identified the perpetrator yet? There’s an assumption by all that it was a Trump supporter, but no one I’ve seen has provided any evidence one way or the other. It’s perfectly possible it was an agent provocateur and I’m surprised not to have seen him named yet.

Note how – as a result of the cameraman being bumped, we actually get to see the size and scale of the crowd – which the FakeNews including BBC and CNN always refuse to show, as Trump taunts them with his massive rally, filling football stadiums, compared to Billary’s events that never had more than a couple of hundred people jammed into a small room….

Wont be long before the terms ‘cricketing/tennis whites’ and working at the ‘coal face’ will be outlawed. Speaking of coal face, interestingly, I wonder how many people of colour actually worked down a coal mine in this country. My dad worked night shifts for over a decade, and never once mentioned working with anyone other than white.

Honestly ? as an aside, if that form of employment were available today, I cant see any of our man-boys queuing up to do it. The ‘toughness’ of the male species has been knocked out of them over the past few decades, and replaced by what I call Papoose man !

Looking at BBC News channel. Theresa the Appeaser is speaking with forked tongue as usual and right at the bottom of the screen the Breaking News ‘ticker tape’ keeps repeating a quote from Raheem Stirling saying Gordan Banks’ legacy will live on. Am I being cynical or is the BBC spinning the multi culti angle?

Supporters of the BBC, who presumably see the working class as cannibals, are organizing their protest against TR’s video in Manchester. Support for the BBC is coming from the TUC and Unions, the multiculty people of al Burnham’s Manchester, Stand up to Racism, not forgetting the UAF, whose founder member is David Yaxley Cameron former Tory Prime Minister. Just remember links with these Trot thugs and a former leader of the Tory Party.

These far left globalists are obsessed with me. Look at these posters plastered all around Manchester with some kind of pathetic meeting to ‘know your enemy’ at https://www.meetinghousemanchester.co.uk on the 13th Feb.
They could have just invited me to their little far-left fascist gathering and we could have had a little chat. Instead, all of the little wet wipes will turn up with their faces covered all dressed in black thinking they have superpowers. They will sit in the meeting house shouting NAZI for two hours, go home and tweet Nazi for two more hours, then go to bed and have wet dreams.

#1 Someone organises a protest
#2 Some other group make a big plan to overwhelm the first protest and stop it.
.. To this aim they “bear false witness” against the first guy, misusing extremely emotive language “Fascist” “Nazi”which should be kept for its true purpose so not to devalue it
Also they make a number of false claims, eg he is not saying that journalists shouldn’t criticise him.

It should be obvious that the second group are the ones likely to cause a breach of the peace.
They could just let the first protest take place and there would be no breach of the peace. If mayor Andy Burnham facilitates them, then he is implicit.

Not ever having been affected by abortion, I didn’t really have an opinion on it, however, hearing that Democrat describe that after the child being ‘born’ and ‘made comfortable’ the mother and health officials could make a live or die decision???????
Unbelievable.
But like most things, if the lefties are mad for it, it’s bad.

Vine “yeh electro-sensitivity is definitely a thing, some people need to be away from phone masts for their health”
… Don’t think so.. if you could demonstrate that to be true, you’d win the James Randi $million prize
. Normal.radio waves at a distance can’t harm your health
.. Engineers working right up a high power mast can be affected by waves , but at any distance the inverse square law means the energy is practically zero.

Stew the inverse square law applies but there are studies of the effects of base towers radiation showing harmful effects going back even to 1G. Cumulative effects are still not acknowledged by the industry.

Also if they start bringing in 5G, this requires far more of the new masts which will be much closer to homes

TM in science you need to have two things
– A measured effect
– A physical mechanism for the cause
In the real world for EMF there seem to be neither
There is no large scale measured effect on people who live near towers
An old time physist once explained there is no physical mechanism for EMF damage.
So when someone says “I got cancer and I lived near a phone tower,” then that means sure you got cancer, but it’s almost certain to other factors and that you would have still got it even if the tower had never been switched on.

Measured effect: well there is a lot of evidence of non-thermal effects of EMFs now. Of course for an old time physicist the mechanism may not be fully understood but in evidence based medicine (EBM) the effect against various outcomes is the critical matter. E.g. drugs get approved without understanding the pharmacological pathways and also acupuncture which shows some favourable results in clinical trials even though the ‘physical mechanism’ is very much in dispute.

Not news and of no real interest or relevance to anyone outside the family affected. Pages to fill and fluff to fill it as real stories and issues that should be being reported are wilfully and routinely ignored because they don’t suit the narrative.

TWATO
had Ruby Wax and some others on to discuss how much they watch BBC – hilarious it didn’t go to plan..Wax and other don’t watch BBC prefer Netflix and Prime…so switch conversation to Radio.That didnt go too well either…so BBC says well should we stop free licence for over 75s or cut other programmes…no other way of making savings then? It really didn’t go their way…just reinforced that fewer people are watching BBC ….but they never ask themselves why.

Next on R4.. their series Fatwa…..FFS…not any real criticism of giving a death sentence because somebody writes something they don’t like…this is why people are switching off

There was an item on the Today programme this morning about private schools. This is not a subject I know a lot about or am terribly interested in but one thing puzzles me. The shared assumption between interviewer and guests was that old Etonian politicians like Boris Johnson can never empathise with or understand the concerns of ordinary people because they didn’t go to school with them. So we should get rid of private schools or at least open them up to bright poor kids so that our future leaders can meet and get under the skin of human beings who don’t have a farmhouse in Tuscany to repair to during the vacations. This will be beneficial for our politics, they seem to be saying.
I am sceptical. First, it assumes that human beings have no imaginative sympathy or curiosity and are limited by personal experience. False. Most people, and especially those with a good education, have learned to put themselves in the shoes of other, often quite alien, people. The study of literature, I always think, is quite good at imbuing us with this skill. Second, it assumes that an acquaintance with poor people during childhood would result in the mature politician abandoning conservative principles and adopting socialist policies of higher taxes and an expanding welfare system. Why would it? Conservatives, whether they’ve met the poor or not, believe self-reliance is better for everyone than welfare dependency. Third, almost all of these politicians and BBC lefties who bleat on about inequality and the unfairness of the private education system seem to send their own children to private schools for some reason.

So The BBCs printed arm The Guardian – cries out about the reception a couple of beeboids got at a President Trump rally . They seem surprised that people didn’t do the expected bowing and scraping which is expected when people working for the BBC.
If they looked in the mirror and saw what they are doing promoting solidly anti President Trump bias they might realise the reception they are getting . There must be a price to be paid for lieing .

BBC World Service report on the incentives being offered to Hungarians to have several children, as a way of reducing population decline rather than taking down the fences. It was of course a “bad thing”. The BBC reporter was casting round for reasons why it was wrong, apparently the wrong mothers (middle class?) would choose to breed. But the beeboid’s best shot was that the initiative would fail because the maternity services in Hungarian hospitals are less than ideal & women would not want the experience more than once.
Really? A decision on having a family will be determined by wanting to avoid 3 hours hard labour?

Noted Martha Kearney couldn’t shut up and listen to Boris Johnson, as he tried to answer some Brexit comments of hers.
She seemed to have no questions, only objections.
But the bit that annoyed me was her quoting of Donald Tusks abuse re ” hell”.
Then asking him if he was ” feeling the heat” yet?
Outrageous to pin some EU numpty and his nasty comment , to Boris and her oh so clever link to ” heat”.
How do Today’s ranters get away with this. None of them believe in God, the Muslims would shut her Yap if she ever dared to rope in Islamic terms in this way.
Cultural appropriation, not that Frank Welby would know what he’ll was.

A man pushes journalists at a Trump rally and the BBC tells us it was a targeted attack on ‘the BBC’ caued by Trump’s ‘enemy of the people’ rhetoric against the media…the same media that encourages people to assassinate Trump and does its best to undermine US democracy and a sitting President…doing Russia’s work ironically as they complain about Russian interference, lol….

Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman at El Paso rally

‘A supporter of US President Donald Trump has attacked a BBC cameraman at a campaign rally in El Paso, Texas.

Sporting a Make America Great Again cap, the man shoved and swore at the BBC’s Ron Skeans and other news crews before being pulled away.

Mr Trump saw the attack and confirmed Mr Skeans was well with a thumbs up after it happened.’

We’re alos told by another BBC journo….

‘”This is a constant feature of these rallies – a goading of the crowds against the media,” Mr O’Donoghue said, who added that he had been “spat at before”.’

Seems the Media must be above criticism however much they distort the news, lie and shape that news to send a particular message.

Naturally it was not an attack on the BBC but on the pack of journalists at the rally…and Trump was not giving the BBC’s Mr Skeans the thumbs up but all of the journalists there.

The BBC is now claiming that Trump ‘whipped up’ the crowd into a frenzy against the media….er no…all Trump said about the media in the speech was this ….and the crowd reaction was more in the nature of an audience booing the pantomime villains…it was good natured…no frenzied mob baying for blood….

‘Wow, look at all the press that you believe that this is like the Academy Awards used to be used in they’ve gone down a long way since they started hitting us and that have been right. They’ve gone down, that was a long that was a long fall, but there they are.

‘First, our agenda is not a partisan agenda, although some people say it is every once in a while. It does become that way. Right. It’s a mainstream commonsense agenda of the American people. It’s where we want to be and where we want to go and despite the fact that the media refuses to acknowledge what we’ve done and how well we’re doing a new poll just came out as I was coming on, and it shows I don’t know how you Can do this, I don’t think I’ve had a good story in years.
I don’t get a good [press]. I used to get great press until I decided to run for office and we have done together an incredible job at a new poll which just came out today. Rasmussen is one of the most respected polls, one of the polls that got the election right. So I have to remember that, you know what the number is: 52 percent with no good news. Explain that how do you get that when you don’t get good press, I guess ninety three percent of the stories are negative, no matter what we do, they figure out a way to make it [bad]. I’ll give you a quick example: when I came in North Korea was, it was looking like it was going to war.
You know that was going to happen, bad things. Now you have no missile launches. You have no rocket testing. You have no nuclear testing. I have a good relationship, maybe even a great relationship. We have tremendous sanctions on North Korea, but we have our hostages back, we have remains, they are coming back and our presidents have been dealing with north Korea for many, many decades, many, many decades, and on a nuclear way over the last 20 ,30 years, and all I Hear is can’t you move faster.’

Hardly ‘whipping up’ anyone into a frenzy merely pointing out a fact…and it’s true tht 90% of the media are against Trump and report negatively on him regardless…our very own finest the prime example…ironically as shown by this BBC journalist’s tweet lying about what happened….

#Irony
The first amendment is the right to free expression
yet ” journalists are very concerned at the erosion of our First Amendment …want .. T-Shirt BANNED”
… so they in fact are the ones interfering with first amendment rights

YP letters
\\ Free TV licences for over 75s was a gimmick by Gordon Brown
… He wanted to be in with the pensioners
..but instead of increasing pensions he came up with free TV licences.
..same for free bus passes//

It seems to be OK to portray Trump and anyone who votes for him as a Nazi and racists who should be exterminated but you cannot criticise the media for pushing that narrative which of course is intended to ‘whip up into a frenzy’ anti-Trump protestors and maybe encourage some of the crazies to kill him or some of his supporters. No tears will be shed on the BBC if that happens.

They’re right at the top…easy to find and very prominent….and part of the point is that the BBC is just not interested in such attacks on Trump and his supporters…they only have one narrative..and that is everything Trump does is bad and they will lokk the other way when anti-Trump protestors behave far worse and encourage violence.

Yes, near the top….the maga cap one seems to have been removed…I guess we’re both wrong….she can read them and does manage them to some extent. However she has the reaction she wants…the vast majority of comments support her and are along the lines of ‘Trump is going to get a journalist killed’ so ‘confirming’ the BBC narrative and ‘whipping up’ the anti-Trump messaging.

I might be wrong but 1. where is evidence camera man was personally attacked and not just pushed in a mele or pooed his pants and dropped his camera. I await proper footage – 2. I may be wrong but was the chap afro-american? BBC don’t seem to mention that bit especially as Trump and supporters are racists..What a load of British Bull Crap reporting

Never mind all this stuff. Imagine my horror when I awoke to a R4 Xtra drama in which a bloke was telling someone how he’d defiled a youth, because he just had to, and turned him into a druggy alcoholic wreck.
Charming waking to that and do they not know or care that children hear radio.

Stew – that must have been a white working class beeboid because a decent member of the beeboids would choose free range organic responsibility sourced fair trade avocados complete with ‘ green’ certification and picture of the farmer and picker …

Isn’t it interesting that our spies ( therefore with government approval if not government orders) can smuggle an Iranian defector into the UK, ignoring any consequences from a viciously belligerent islamic state but they couldn’t bring in a Christian lady and her family ( in the face of real threats to their lives) in case a few uppity paklanders, who are living here in self constructed ghettos, get upset and do a bit of muslim rioting.

It’s not just double standards, it’s cynical disregard for people who would live here and cause absolutely no trouble for anyone in our country.

The MSM failed to champion Asia Bibi’s cause, which is not at all surprising given she’s ‘only’ a Christian, but the craven cowardice of MPs makes me sick.

Isn’t it a shame that Mr Sopel wasn’t there to witness the results of his smug anti President Trump vitriol ?

I find myself using the word ‘ vitriol’ quite a bit here but with reference to the nasty attitude of all beeboids it seems the most suitable – you can cut and paste that one Max it’s there to amuse you .

An octogenarian member of the public is hauled out of a Labour conference here and it’s just part and parcel of the rough and tumble of politics. A bloke wearing the wrong colour of gilet gets his hand blown off by a BBC favoured President and it is mostly his fault for leaving his fingers out, and both get quietly shelved.

But a BBC… yes… a BBC drone gets man-handled at a rally they have gone to misreport, and suddenly it’s like all their Kristallnachts have come at once and they gear up for full flounce for the week ahead.

The other week at work a bit of politics came up in the team about Brexit. A young co-worker said he was in favour of get us out, no deal, sod Europe etc. Whether that has blighted his future career I’ll never know. The international company I’m working for is chock full of Europeans and other overseas workers although we only have one ethnic minority on our team.

Anyway there were murmurings of approval from some, but others seemed too embarrassed to commit because a senior manager happened to be present. Nobody actively spoke up for Remain.

As I’m only a temp due to finish next month I followed it up with – not only should we Brexit off the cliff and keep our £39 billion quid but I’d also declare war on France and Germany just for a laugh.

The BBC’s hero, George Soros, is worried that the EU will break up as the plebs don’t have enough pro-EU parties to vote for, (like 40 plus years of Blue Labour, Yellow Labour, Green Labour and Good Old Red Labour!). Amazing what UKIP did without even a single proper MP!

And the Dutch Belgium Verhofstadt things brexiteers could be guilotined if someone can’t get sun dried tomatoes because of brexit

Please someone remind him

1 the guilotine is French
2 Blighty is a bit tougher that the non country he comes from
3 George Soros saying that populismcould destroy the EU is a Good Thing – and actually might make for a far healthier Europe – without added third worlders

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The EUFilth are coming apart at the seams.
Just like their beloved Project.
Exposing how disgusting they, and their beliefs, are.
The real pity is May is also part of the EUFilth.
With a real Brexit leader they would have done the decent thing, and killed themselves, by now.

Only the BBC could describe two fleeing criminals driving down the wrong side of a main road in their desperation to get away as “young newlyweds”:
Two people killed in a car crash following a police pursuit in London are believed to have been young newlyweds.
Patrick McDonagh, 19, and his 18-year-old pregnant wife, Shauna, have been named in hundreds of tributes.
A car veered to the wrong side of the A40 near East Acton at about 21:00 GMT on Sunday before hitting a coach and killing a man and woman inside.
The car was being followed after reports of an armed burglary in Harrow.
Any betting that these two are from our much-admired travelling community?

Sad news of Gordon Banks and the BBC were quick to pay tribute and show his magic ‘best ever’ save against Pele’s certain goal. Shame, with all that cash and technical resource, they couldn’t do a slo-mo replay to let us see just how brilliant his reaction was.
ITV managed it though.

.@anguswalkertalk last night overheard Olly Robbins, @theresa_may's Brexit negotiator, in a bar in Brussels saying MPs would in March be presented with a choice between her reworked deal or a potentially long delay to Brexit. Great scoop. More here https://t.co/RkYgL3dv5X

This is all you need to know about our cameraman Ron Skeans. He is the most decent, politest, professional, hard-working, kindest, most patriotic man you could hope to meet. Ron Skeans, BBC Cameraman: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know https://t.co/HFLAYWwWrr via @heavysan

Trump campaign comment on attack on BBC cameraman at #ElPasoRally. "An individual involved in a physical altercation with a news cameraman was removed from last night's rally. We appreciate the swift action from venue security and law enforcement officers." Not that swift…

Well said: The White House Corrs Ass'n condemns physical attack on colleague at the rally in #ElPaso, Texas. We're relieved that, this time, no one was seriously hurt. @realDonaldTrump should make absolutely clear to his supporters that violence against reporters is unacceptable.

Statement from @PressSec on attack on BBC cameraman last night in #ElPaso: “President Trump condemns all acts of violence against any individual or group of people – including members of the press. We ask that anyone attending an event do so in a peaceful and respectful manner."

Conversely, here’s what the entire BBC has to say about the EU Ombudsman’s verdict on the appointment of Martin Selmayr: “Selmayr’s appointment did not follow EU law, in letter or spirit, and did not follow the Commission’s own rules”. Or Olly Robbins’s warning to MPs that they either accept May’s deal or extend Article 50.

Nick chips in. They are still trying to build an unsustainable narrative around this,

Alarmed but hardly surprised to see this – it’s the violent corollary of enemy of the people rhetoric. The BBC cameraman Ron, an American, is one of the nicest people in the industry. One of the really good guys. https://t.co/alcpRuTbIk

Sad to think that while Sopel has devoted his professional life for the past year and more to fully justifying and earning a smack in the mouth – he then metaphorically dodges to let his cameraman suffer. What a grindingly dreadful little person.

Mr Kristof is worried that the President’s contempt for the American media may egg on his supporters:

I’ve lost reporter and photographer friends in war zones all over the world, and have had other friends kidnapped and tortured. When Trump galvanizes crowds against reporters in the room, I worry that we may lose journalists in the line of duty not only in places like Syria but also right here at home. Trump will get people hurt.

In fact, it’s Kristof, Gitlin, CNN et al who are getting people hurt, right now – including reporters and photographers. Their willingness to cover for brute thuggery has incentivized antifa, who, entirely reasonably, have concluded they’re free to punch the lights out of any fascist who gets in their way. And, happily, if you’re deluded enough to believe that the principal threat to the United States in the year 2017 is “fascism”, why then everyone and his l’il old spinster auntie looks like a “fascist”. In that video up above, that’s a cameraman getting beaten up by antifa. Here’s a female journalist for The Hill getting punched in the face by an “anti-fascist”. Oh, and here’s a CBS reporter antifa put in the hospital. What’s your problem? In America today, Democrat state senators urge the assassination of the President and pay no price.

Watching the crime drama Shetland now. Looks like whitey is treating the innocent noble black community in those far off isles (neither did I) very badly. On the bright side, the BBC is continuing to meet it’s ethnic actor quota targets.

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