Wednesday, September 3, 2008

For the chart below I contacted SSF2T players from all over the US (plus, as of this new version, one player from across the Atlantic) and asked them for their take on their favorite characters' match-ups. A '1' means their character has a big disadvantage. A '9' means they've got a big advantage. '5' means even.

The values in the +/- column indicate the difference between the sum of all the values in the row and the baseline value of 80.

14 comments:

I have been playing several match ips over and over since the last post. I would like to change and tighten up several of my numbers.... I know you're going to Kill me! I'd like to change claw to a 3, Dj to a 2, Guile to a 4.

I beleive I ranked Zangief at a 5 the first time around, you labeled him as a 3. Tsk, tsk Nohoho! LOL!

can you explain the reasoning behind the 5:5 blanka vs. gief, fatboy? find this an interesting opinion.I always considered this to be a very bad matchup for gief. blanka c.hp destroys gief, and he has to mash c.lp and pray to get close.

To Decoy,I donno man, have you play Giga MSX's O.Sagat, or Choi's, Valle's, or Coles. They don't make mistakes.

The game comes down to whether or not you decide to jump in with Jab nor not. You have to decide is Sagat going to AA with standing fierce or is he going to TU me? Depending on which changes your jump-in.

A good O.Sagat will trade everything in his favor.

He has to throw out a stupid fireball or choose to jump in somewhere for Blanka to gain the advantage. IMHO.

I think somewhere Komoda Blanka said the Sagat match is very difficult for Blanka as well. IIRC. I could be wrong though.

Made some requested changes to Fatboy @ Blanka and UltraDavid @ Honda and Gief.

I beleive I ranked Zangief at a 5 the first time around, you labeled him as a 3. Tsk, tsk Nohoho! LOL!

Hey hey I didn't change anything. Original file is on my hard drive last modified july 13th. I'm second guessing the 4-6 vs. Dhalsim since Komoda said the match was pretty hopeless in that INH interview but in general my opinion is the same as it was a month and a half ago.

I hear ya fatboy and I can understand why you would think that way but maybe it's just me. I've played Valle's and Giga's O. Sagats and to be honest, I didn't think it was that bad at all. Granted, it's online but matchups are matchups and if Sagat was such a monster vs Blanka it would also show online to an extent.

Also, I really don't think mistakes are what Blanka needs to win that matchup either. Just a little outside the box thinking. I don't play a conventional Blanka so maybe that's why I speak with such foolish words lol. But hey, a character only loses to another character UNTIL someone shows you a more effective way to play that fight.

BTW, I also don't agree with some of the other numbers but I'll defer to the better players opinion. I'm a HF Blanka player first before I'm an ST player.

Either way, I think the table is terrific reference material so a HUGE thank you to everyone who took the time to give their input especially Nohoho. Great job!

Hey, I just saw this now, since I've been way out of the ST loop lately. Great job on it!

I actually did something similar to this, using my own made-up matchup chart, but with one difference: I made a "tournament version" of the figures by weighing them against the estimated popularity of each opposing character.

For example, at a high-level U.S. tournament, I think ~15% will play Claw, ~10% will play Ryu, ~2% will play Blanka, and so forth.

The results in my version were interesting. Like O.Sagat, who looks amazing on paper, started to look less attractive because the few unfavorable matches he does have are against popular characters like Dhalsim and Claw.

Someone like Guile, who looked alright at first glance, tends to be a weak metagame choice because 3 of the popular choices (Dhalsim, Claw, O.Sagat) give him a hard time, and Boxer is no cakewalk either.