Lloyd gets a bit ranty about presenting complex narratives as a battle between good and evil. Someone wants to make lunch in Lloyd’s podcasting studio. Dan talks about the campaign to get artists paid. But we round up quite harmoniously with a call for guests to join us in our next conversation.

This morning I had a skype conversation with my friend and oftentimes collaborator, Dan Thompson. We talked about what we’ve been doing and stuff and then got into the subject of social art, what it is, how you pay for it, who can do it, etc. It’s not a conversation that’s finished, we’ll be doing more of these, I’m sure.