Behind the back shot?

I recall seeing a behind the back shot from someone, I think Rosskopf.
Does anyone recall if that’s who it was and what tournament it was
from?

Thanks,
Musashi

Julian waters 2008-04-11 05:03:14

I recall Rosskopf doing it during a match at the US Open a couple of
years ago. It might have been for a clean winner too, although I could
be inflating it in my mind. I didn’t get it on video, unfortunately.

For two games, the much faster penhold looper Ma Lin rolled all over
Rosskopf and his great lefty two-winged shakehands shot-making abilities.
But Rosskopf got hot in the third, counterlooping winners off anything,
often right off the bounce. Rosskopf led 20-13 and you guessed it Ma
Lin, serving at the end, won seven in a row to deuce it! Rosskopf then
serve and lofted a soft loop, which Ma ripped (eight in a row) to go up
match point. Then, Ma serves, Rosskopf pops it up, and Ma pulverizes the
ball but Rosskopf, from right over the table, makes a miracle block
not a reflex block, it happened too fast to react, so Rosskopf must have
anticipated or gotten lucky and it s 21-all. Ma serve and loops into
the net, then Rosskopf blocks back a powerful Ma loop for a clean winner
and we re in the fourth, and we ve got a real match on our hands!

Ma takes early 4-1, 11-6, 16-11 leads, and seems to make game four like
the first two games. But Rosskopf scores four in a row to get to 16-15.
Then Ma scores four in a row to get to 20-15 match point, with Rosskopf
serving. Rosskopf serves and rips a winner, 20-16 and Ma calls a
timeout. Rosskopf serve and rips another winner, 20-17. Then Ma drops one
short, Rosskopf is forced to push, and Ma rips one and Rosskopf rips a
counterloop winner! 20-18! But Rosskopf seems to let his next serve get
away it goes long, and Rosskopf seems to freeze as Ma loops it.
Rosskopf makes a futile behind-the-back attempt to counter it, but the
match is over. (In an earlier match, he apparently had made a behind-the-
back return.)

I was at the US Open and saw the most amazing shot in some time.
Rosskopf was playing in one of the preliminary rounds in the stadium
courts. As the rally progressed for no real reason he swung his racket
behind his back and hit the ball crosscourt for a clean winner! Even he
was laughing at that one. I believe that put him up 20-16 in the game.

Musashi 2008-04-11 05:03:18

Thanks for the help fellas. I think it was that US Open shot that I
was thinking of. I guess I mistakingly thought I had seen it on tape.

Thanks again,
Musashi

Samuel chan 2008-04-11 05:03:23

During the 2002 US Open men’s singles final match (Ma Lin vs. Qin Zhijian),
Qin also made a behind-the-back shot after a quick Ma flick to Qin’s right
(backhand) side. But Qin’s trick shot didn’t fool Ma, as Ma killed the
return immediately to win the point.

: Thanks for the help fellas. I think it was that US Open shot that I
: was thinking of. I guess I mistakingly thought I had seen it on tape.

: Thanks again,
: Musashi

: On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:09:29 GMT, John Schneider

: >In article , drunk@home.com
: >says…
: >
: >> I recall seeing a behind the back shot from someone, I think Rosskopf.
: >> Does anyone recall if that’s who it was and what tournament it was
: >> from?
: >>
: >> Thanks,
: >> Musashi
: >>
: >Perhaps it was the 2001 World Championships:
: >
: >http://www.usatt.org/events/2001Worlds/worlds_may_4.shtml
: >
: >Ma Lin (CHN) d. Joerg Rosskopf (GER), 14,10,-21,18
: >
: >For two games, the much faster penhold looper Ma Lin rolled all over
: >Rosskopf and his great lefty two-winged shakehands shot-making abilities.
: >But Rosskopf got hot in the third, counterlooping winners off anything,
: >often right off the bounce. Rosskopf led 20-13 ?? and you guessed it ?? Ma
: >Lin, serving at the end, won seven in a row to deuce it! Rosskopf then
: >serve and lofted a soft loop, which Ma ripped (eight in a row) to go up
: >match point. Then, Ma serves, Rosskopf pops it up, and Ma pulverizes the
: >ball ?? but Rosskopf, from right over the table, makes a miracle block ??
: >not a reflex block, it happened too fast to react, so Rosskopf must have
: >anticipated or gotten lucky ?? and it??s 21-all. Ma serve and loops into
: >the net, then Rosskopf blocks back a powerful Ma loop for a clean winner
: >?? and we??re in the fourth, and we??ve got a real match on our hands!
: >
: >Ma takes early 4-1, 11-6, 16-11 leads, and seems to make game four like
: >the first two games. But Rosskopf scores four in a row to get to 16-15.
: >Then Ma scores four in a row to get to 20-15 match point, with Rosskopf
: >serving. Rosskopf serves and rips a winner, 20-16 ?? and Ma calls a
: >timeout. Rosskopf serve and rips another winner, 20-17. Then Ma drops one
: >short, Rosskopf is forced to push, and Ma rips one ?? and Rosskopf rips a
: >counterloop winner! 20-18! But Rosskopf seems to let his next serve get
: >away ?? it goes long, and Rosskopf seems to freeze as Ma loops it.
: >Rosskopf makes a futile behind-the-back attempt to counter it, but the
: >match is over. (In an earlier match, he apparently had made a behind-the-
: >back return.)
: >
: >
: >Or maybe it was the 2001 U.S. Open:
: >
: >http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y265425C6
: >
: >I was at the US Open and saw the most amazing shot in some time.
: >Rosskopf was playing in one of the preliminary rounds in the stadium
: >courts. As the rally progressed for no real reason he swung his racket
: >behind his back and hit the ball crosscourt for a clean winner! Even he
: >was laughing at that one. I believe that put him up 20-16 in the game.
: >

Mdtta 2008-04-11 05:03:25

I was a clean winner. I remember watching that match.

Chris

Ch1co 2008-04-11 05:03:27

Hey Chris ,

You beat Rosskopf ?
So cool

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I remember a clip posted on the USATT website called “Bentsen behind the
back.” I think it had been from the 2002 US Open as well. It showed only
Bentsen, twice turning his body to hit a forehand before being forced to
switch to the backhand. The first time he just bailed out to a last-instant
backhand, but the second time he had so committed to the forehand that it
was easier to keep twisting that way and hit it behind the back. The shot
was weak and the opponent wasn’t named, so I think it was an early-round
match.

USATT League members get USATT League ratings from USATT League matches
only. Regular USATT members can get both USATT League ratings AND USATT
tournament ratings. The two rating systems are run the same, but are
separate. League matches do not affect tournament ratings, and vice versa.
USATT tournament ratings are used as the starting point for USATT League
ratings, if available.

If they are the same why should someone bother to play
in tournaments ? I can use far more lethal glues untested
and get a higher rating with a known set of opponents since
the systems are seperate.
Is the NATT going to process these ratings ?

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But if I know I am about 1787 , why bother to play
in a tournament ?
Also how do you know a strong league may not have
2 or 3 divisions ? Divisions not called U-1200 but
with a cut-off of say U-1200 but 3 more rolling
cutoffs every-week (This is what a league like
RITTA does).

You are still evading the issue

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That’s all you’ll ever know “about”. League ratings and tournament
ratings are different because the seriousness of the players is
different and the pressure is different. Plus, in league play you are
generally playing the same people over and over. You know their
serves, they know yours, you know how they play, etc… It’s
different when you go to a tournament and play a bunch of people
you’ve not played before.

If you are 1787 in your league, I’d bet your barely over 1700 in
tournaments.

Musashi

Caccob10io 2008-04-13 01:27:11

He he
I know someone who played in an RITTA league
(which uses similar system) for like 5 years in a
row. So I know more about that that you forgot.

You missed teh f****** point & Larry Hodges
& Robert Mayer have evaded it.
The issue is “Why donate $12 to USATT
when there is no benefit whatsoever except
one stupid issue of magazine which I can
read at teh club anyway ?”

Would you care to answer then ?

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Rosskopf did the down the line behind the back shot at the 2001 US Open.

Musashi 2008-04-14 08:41:27

Alright you impotent little p**** I’ll tell you why. Because league
play has less risks and less rewards, monetarily speaking. You’re not
going to win some cash or a trophy playing in a league. Believe it or
not some of us find competition exciting and the more you risk the
more exciting it is. Losing a few league rating points one week that
can be made up from the same guy the very next week is less
challenging.

Because league play just consists of you playing with the same people
over and over and never venturing into other regions to play in
tournaments with other people.

Because in tournament play there is a ref/umpire on hand to keep
unscrupulous little geeks like you in check.

Some people don’t have time to sit around and read a magazine at their
clubs. They play.

Some people want to support the USATT as a governing body to help the
sport. While others just want to sit back and b**** about every little
thing that’s not perfect.

The extra $28 bucks isn’t half a weeks “salary” for some people.

So your assertion that there is “no benefit whatsoever” is incorrect.
Sign up for the $12 level and then try to play in a tournament. You
might see the benefit then.

Musashi

Mrpong 2008-04-14 08:41:40

Uhh, let me guess… USATT?

B&B

Tara parker 2008-04-14 08:41:44

Ask your shrink to increase your dosage

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