I was happy with their effort, I think they got a bit soft when we got a lead and soft on 3rd and medium, but other then that, solid.

ASS11

11-06-2005, 08:18 PM

Phenomenal in the first 3 quarters.

Officials screwed us on one drive in the 4th quarter. Then the D folded like a cheap tent on the Raiders last drive. I screamed a cry of anguish when Benny Sapp dropped that interception.

Deberg_1990

11-06-2005, 08:20 PM

Phenomenal in the first 3 quarters.

Officials screwed us on one drive in the 4th quarter. Then the D folded like a cheap tent on the Raiders last drive. I screamed a cry of anguish when Benny Sapp dropped that interception.

It seemed like the Raiders had the ball forever on that last TD drive of theirs...IM actually glad they scored when they did, because any more time off the clock and we would have been screwed. I was actually one of those screaming to LET THEM SCORE! So we could get the ball back with a decent amount of time.

ASS11

11-06-2005, 08:21 PM

A key play was DJ forcing Jordan out of bounds with 1:45 left.

Rain Man

11-06-2005, 08:22 PM

A lot of guys had their best games of the year. I would argue that Washington, Mitchell, Dalton, Hicks, and Warfield all had their top games of the year, and possibly Wesley, too.

I'll take an outing like this any time. Lots of activity and passion out there.

RINGLEADER

11-06-2005, 08:23 PM

They did great in the first three quarters but then seemed to deflate totally in the last half of the fourth. Not sure why they do that, but if they can get it corrected it would be something.

Was happy to see Washington step up...hopefully he'll get the chance to be the nickel from this point forward.

ASS11

11-06-2005, 08:24 PM

A lot of guys had their best games of the year. I would argue that Washington, Mitchell, Dalton, Hicks, and Warfield all had their top games of the year, and possibly Wesley, too.

I'll take an outing like this any time. Lots of activity and passion out there.

I wasn't too impressed with the run defense.

People rag on Wesley but he just keeps getting interceptions.

Deberg_1990

11-06-2005, 08:25 PM

Was happy to see Washington step up...hopefully he'll get the chance to be the nickel from this point forward.

nah.......McCleon has started on 2 Super Bowl Teams.....

Rudy lost the toss

11-06-2005, 08:25 PM

A key play was DJ forcing Jordan out of bounds with 1:45 left.
yep....I was almost ready to call for a gator flop

Deberg_1990

11-06-2005, 08:27 PM

I wasn't too impressed with the run defense.

Same here, but they got the job done i guess.......The had a hard time tackling Jordon on 3rd downs.......oh well, i cant complain too much.....they have come a long, long way altogether....

Rain Man

11-06-2005, 08:27 PM

Oh, and Browning, too. I think that Browning had his best game of the year, too.

morphius

11-06-2005, 08:27 PM

4.9 yards rushing without a huge run is pretty damn high.

RedThat

11-06-2005, 08:30 PM

I think the defense played ok. Not good, outstanding, or great. They played ok enough to win. Im a harsh critic mind you. I think we did get lucky on some plays. Kerry Collins absolutely stinks under pressure, he made some terrible throws. Even when guys were chasing him but werent close to hitting him, Collins still made bad throws. He gets scared way too easily, and is not patient enough. Lamont Jordan had some drops in where he could've gained plenty if he caught them. Courtney Anderson and a another one of their receivers dropped some passes.

*All these little things add up, and made our defense look good. But imo, they were average. Im a harsh critic, and I think some are overhyping our D a bit.

I still think our D-Line s*cks a**. No pressure. Id like to see Jared Allen play with the same intensity the way he did against the Skins. He didnt bring that same intensity today. We had to blitz to create pressure and were still late getting there. Thank goodness Collins was impatient. The coverage from our secondary was good. DeWayne Washington was our best player today. Mitchell and Johnson played solid today. I wonder whats up with Mitchell? I hope hes not hurt. Hes growing into a pretty solid linebacker.

FringeNC

11-06-2005, 08:53 PM

We only allowed 276 yards when the Raiders average 344.7 a game.

What do you think?

Those stats pretty much some it up. Plus we didn't get that many 1st downs on offense. We make the playoffs for sure if the D hold teams under their average...

Mr. Laz

11-06-2005, 09:08 PM

it helped the the faiders were stupid and elected to run the ball for 3 quarters.

as soon as they starter throwing the ball in the 4th quarter we starting giving it up in the passing game again.

140 yrds out of the Faider's 276 gained in the 4th quarter.

Deberg_1990

11-06-2005, 09:13 PM

I still think our D-Line s*cks a**. No pressure.

The only thing holding this D back from being truly outstanding....unlikely to change this year, hopefully next year we can draft and add in some stout free agent pass rushers up front.

Pants

11-06-2005, 09:14 PM

it helped the the faiders were stupid and elected to run the ball for 3 quarters.

as soon as they starter throwing the ball in the 4th quarter we starting giving it up in the passing game again.

140 yrds out of the Faider's 276 gained in the 4th quarter.

That's not true, they tried passing throughout the first half but it was either broken up or incomplete due to QB pressure for themost part. It seems like the D either gave up bit after that penalty or they simply got tired from being on the field all day (thanks O).

They had trouble tackling Jordan the whole way, though...

Deberg_1990

11-06-2005, 09:18 PM

it helped the the faiders were stupid and elected to run the ball for 3 quarters.

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Descions like these are why Norv Turner has something like a 55-77 career head coaching record. Dude sucks ass as a head coach...he can be the Raider HC for as long as he wants!

RedThat

11-06-2005, 09:18 PM

The only thing holding this D back from being truly outstanding....unlikely to change this year, hopefully next year we can draft and add in some stout free agent pass rushers up front.

I agree. Id like to see us make a run for John Abraham next year. Honestly, I know he'll be tough to sign, but man, we need a guy like that.

Gaz

11-07-2005, 08:28 AM

This is still not a good Defense and it will not be a good Defense until we can get pressure on the pencil neck with our front four. That is not going to happen this year.

However, the D played well yesterday. They held Jordan under 100 yards and did not give up the long gainers. 2nd & 3RD tier players stepped up. It is a sports cliché, but it is true. Washington and Sapp did a good job. They rose above themselves and filled the huge shoes of Surtain. I expected the Raiders to pass up and down the field, but the Chiefs secondary held them down. We had to blitz to do it, but we forced Collins to throw before he was ready several times.

This Defense is still a work in progress, but I see steady improvement week by week. They have overcome the disappearance of the Offense on several occasions, fighting a delaying action against The Enemy until our Offense wakes up and joins the battle.

Big props to the D.

xoxo~
Gaz
Trying to be patient.

Chief Henry

11-07-2005, 08:38 AM

I thought the Defense played much better yesterday. We still don't get ENOUGH pressure on the QB. Until we can get MORE PRESSURE on the
opponets QB, our Defense is going to be like a pot stew. We won't know for sure what were going to get.

Coogs

11-07-2005, 08:45 AM

I thought the front 7 did an excellent job yesterday at getting pressure in the backfield on both passing (CB's didn't have to cover each play for 10 seconds) and running plays (could have tackled a bit better once we got there on running plays though). Mitchell is becomming a favorite defensive player. I wish Gun would turn DJ loose like the Skins have done with Arrington. We could have two big time playmakers at two LB positions.

All-in-all, if we stay with the power running/play action pass on offense, and play defense in the backfield with the front 7, we just might have the winning combination we need

CupidStunt

11-07-2005, 10:07 AM

Those complaining about rush defense..... I assume you must not have watched the TV coverage? Or maybe you just missed the breakdown they gave when we had SIX---yes, 6---guys in the box.

Did it hurt us? Not a damn bit. I'll take those cheap yards against soft fronts if it prevents big plays, all day long.

htismaqe

11-07-2005, 10:35 AM

We held Jordan to a long of 11 yards and held him under 100 yards, despite playing nickel and dime all freaking day...

I'll take it. I'm not picky.

ChiTown

11-07-2005, 10:38 AM

They started off shaky with a bunch of missed tackles in the first qtr, but came back strong. Other than the last Raider TD penalty meltdown, I thought they did great.

Brock

11-07-2005, 10:44 AM

it helped the the faiders were stupid and elected to run the ball for 3 quarters.

as soon as they starter throwing the ball in the 4th quarter we starting giving it up in the passing game again.

140 yrds out of the Faider's 276 gained in the 4th quarter.

Collins threw the ball 21 times in the first half, 40 in the entire game.

As far as I'm concerned, the defense played very well. The offense isn't carrying their share of the load.

Thig Lyfe

10-17-2010, 03:14 PM

Totally disappeared the second half. I hope they come back angry.

beer bacon

10-17-2010, 03:17 PM

They played fine the first half and horrible in the second. The pass rush wasn't there today, and we didn't seem to want to blitz. We still could have won with better game management.

I don't know why we didn't run it on that 3rd and 2 at the end of the game, and I don't why we didn't go for it on 4th down. I don't know why we didn't assign Flowers to cover AJ all game, instead of letting AJ abuse Carr, and then rolling multiple guys to him leaving other receivers wide open.

I have been very happy with our coaching this year, but they did not do a good job today.

thurman merman

10-17-2010, 03:17 PM

Wait. Why is this thread getting bumped?

Mr. Laz

10-17-2010, 03:18 PM

why in the fuck did this stupid thread get bumped?

KC Tattoo

10-17-2010, 03:19 PM

are you talking about our Greg Robinshit that played today?

Remanence the Vermeil era.

BigMeatballDave

10-17-2010, 03:19 PM

WTF? Why was this thread dug up?

aturnis

10-17-2010, 03:19 PM

Totally disappeared the second half. I hope they come back angry.

Who bumps a 5yr. old thread to talk about todays defense?

beer bacon

10-17-2010, 03:20 PM

Didn't even notice the thread was from 2005. Nice.

Thig Lyfe

10-17-2010, 03:21 PM

Who bumps a 5yr. old thread to talk about todays defense?

I wanted to avoid a repost so I searched for "defense" and came up with this thread.

The D's meltdown was of 2005 proportions, though...

Pawnmower

10-17-2010, 03:22 PM

Wait. Why is this thread getting bumped?

Because of a complete idiot

Thig Lyfe

10-17-2010, 03:23 PM

Because of a complete idiot

:thumb:

WhitiE

10-17-2010, 03:26 PM

you're damned if you do and you're damned if you dont.....

scho63

10-17-2010, 03:43 PM

Our defense today was like that tasty Swiss cheese known as Emmental; full of irregular holes, not very sharp, and somewhat soft.