I'm ok with new adaptation for 2017, I hope it will be better than 2016. If they just follow manga and don't do things too fast, I think it could be decent anime. From episode 4 in 2016 adaptation they were just following manga, beside animation and drawing style the biggest problem was pace of scenes from manga, some episodes were really decent, just following manga with good pace, but some were doing things too fast. If they can do it better, I will be happy.

As much as the new anime was a let down there is still that part of me that is happy to see all this Berserk love, new Figmas , Threezero has new figures , and what seems like new companies picking up the license now the new anime is getting a second season.

As much as the new anime was a let down there is still that part of me that is happy to see all this Berserk love, new Figmas , Threezero has new figures , and what seems like new companies picking up the license now the new anime is getting a second season.

What's that about new companies picking up the license? Could you elaborate on that?

Berserk isn't really "dark fantasy" either. It's plain fantasy, and spans a lot of things within that genre and others. Anyway, you guys should know better than to discuss residentgrigo's ramblings.

Our hero Guts is found as a baby laying in the mud under his dead mother who was hung by the neck from a tree. He is later rapped as a boy because his foster dad "sold" him for that purpose. (Kudos to Kentaro Miura for NOT drawing 19 pages of that.) Fast forward to the Golden Age Arc, Guts spends most of his time slicing people in half, disemboweling a hundred men in one setting. This is all following the dreams and ambitions of Griffith, a friend who once sold his body to some Lord who's either a pedophile or just into androgynous guys with long hair, for money to advance his own goals. After Guts decides to go off on his own, Griffith is tortured for a year having his tendons cut, his tongue cut out, and left to rot in a dungeon. One year later Guts and Casca get the band back together and rescue Griffith. Guts doesn't hold back slicing men in half and throwing them into a black pit as they make their escape. Then what many would call "a dick move" Griffith uses a Beherit to summon some demon lords and sacrifice almost everyone who ever cared for him in what is easily one of the bloodiest scenes in anime with his friends being torn apart, chewed up, and devoured by demons. There is also a 19 page raped scene involving Casca and Griffith as Guts watches him, helpless to do anything and has to cleave off his own arm to get free. Guts is then tackled by a demon and has one of his eyes torn out. Casca is then left in a regressed child-like state, while Guts searches the world for other demons to get his revenge on Griffith, and he's not afraid to have sex with them to do it! See Berserk Vol One, Page One for more details.

I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

Our hero Guts is found as a baby laying in the mud under his dead mother who was hung by the neck from a tree. He is later rapped as a boy because his foster dad "sold" him for that purpose. (Kudos to Kentaro Miura for NOT drawing 19 pages of that.) Fast forward to the Golden Age Arc, Guts spends most of his time slicing people in half, disemboweling a hundred men in one setting. This is all following the dreams and ambitions of Griffith, a friend who once sold his body to some Lord who's either a pedophile or just into androgynous guys with long hair, for money to advance his own goals. After Guts decides to go off on his own, Griffith is tortured for a year having his tendons cut, his tongue cut out, and left to rot in a dungeon. One year later Guts and Casca get the band back together and rescue Griffith. Guts doesn't hold back slicing men in half and throwing them into a black pit as they make their escape. Then what many would call "a dick move" Griffith uses a Beherit to summon some demon lords and sacrifice almost everyone who ever cared for him in what is easily one of the bloodiest scenes in anime with his friends being torn apart, chewed up, and devoured by demons. There is also a 19 page raped scene involving Casca and Griffith as Guts watches him, helpless to do anything and has to cleave off his own arm to get free. Guts is then tackled by a demon and has one of his eyes torn out. Casca is then left in a regressed child-like state, while Guts searches the world for other demons to get his revenge on Griffith, and he's not afraid to have sex with them to do it! See Berserk Vol One, Page One for more details.

I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

I don't think you understood what Aaz tried to say. We all know that Berserk has elements of dark fantasy, but categorizing it under one subgenre is a pretty ignorant way of viewing the series.

Berserk withholds elements of dark, low and high fantasy and even elements of other Genres. Referring to it as simply Fantasy is much more easy and truthfull to it's content though.

Perhaps I did, but it seems like Kentaro creates an awful lot just so he can destroy it. This fairy tree village they're at in the current manga is going up on flames. I will be shocked if it doesn't. It might take 5 years worth of issues but it's going to happen.

Also I agree that genera labels can be stupid and pointless. I used to work at a movie theater and some films we got in were labeled simply as "Foreign" ... Foreign what!? Romance, Comedy, Action, Thriller? What the hell does Foreign mean? Apparently nothing happens but you have to read subtitles. Usually there would always be a second label as a qualifier what type of Foreign film it was but some were only labeled as Foreign.

I could go on but I think I made my point. The thing that makes Berserk great is the quiet times of character development between the scenes of relentless violence that make this series one of the darkest fantasy series ever made. Not every episode or issue/volume is worth having an R rating but there's plenty in there that does.

The only point you made is that you lack reading comprehension, or plain comprehension for that matter.

A youtuber, I forget which, pointed out that it seems like they're fully animating these scenes first and then deciding where to put the camera afterward. And that's such a huge mistake. Everyone thinks comic books and manga are easy to adapt into movies because "it's already story boarded" but this isn't quite true. Characters and settings are drawn and posed with word balloons in mind. Characters suddenly turn away from one another and become animated in their actions for dramatic effect all so they can place word balloons when in reality people don't move this way. Recreating every panel would be great but sometimes it's a mistake. Action scenes are often drawn to get the proportions wrong on purpose for dramatic effect and this isn't as easily done in a computer generated environment. Where this method excels though is in sweeping battle shots like we saw in the three movies we got. The battle is fully animated and then the camera is set on a track to pan over the whole thing. Because we doesn't need focus on any one thing in particular it works great. But all the one on one combat scenes or Guts fighting a small group of people, it's done poorly. Often they have the camera panning for no reason at all, even during scenes where two characters are standing still just talking to one another. Hopefully this problem will be better addressed or we'll be calling it Berserk Season Two Many.

Also I would like to say sorry to Azealh. I had thought that was your personal opinion. Walter explained to me that Berserk is actually listed and promoted as just a Fantasy series by the publisher which hearkens back to how useless genera labels often are.

Also I would like to say sorry to Azealh. I had thought that was your personal opinion.

But this is in fact my personal opinion. Mangetsu got it right: I think categorizing Berserk as one specific subgenre is inherently stupid. Just like I said, Berserk spans a lot of things within the Fantasy genre as well as within other genres. Reducing it to "dark fantasy" is doing it a great disservice in my opinion. What is even "dark fantasy" anyway? A fantasy story where the world is bleak? Berserk, despite the tragedies and drama that occur in it, keeps a generally upbeat and hopeful tone. It has many comedic moments, tender and cute moments, epic and heroic moments. It also has its sad and melancholic moments, its terrifying moments, its sordid ones... And all of these can sometimes overlap. Berserk is a very complex, comprehensive work of art. Not a simplistic story with simplistic themes.

Even beyond Berserk though, I find the concept of subgenre to be generally meaningless, which is something you agreed on yourself.

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

Why can't Mad house make a Berserk anime? I'm really worried about how they will ruin this arc

No need to worry about the how; just rest easy in the knowledge that they will ruin it.

But in all seriousness, it does break my heart that, as much as I love beautifully-adapted shows like One-Punch Man, Berserk can't seem to get the same love from a studio. Our favorite series gets shafted at every turn.

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

Guts! - He doesn't need his name up in lightsHe just wants to swing his sword whether it's day or it's nightHe feels so unlike everybody else, aloneIn spite of the fact that some people still think that they know himBut fuck em, he knows the merc codeIt's about the salaryIt's all about reality and making some coinSurviving the battle – making sure his flag stays upThat means not putting the sword down till the job is done! Let's go!

Concerning the anime, I can't believe there is going to be a season 2 of this mess. I won't be watching unless I hear good things, which sadly, I'm not expecting.

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A good sword, even if it rusts and dulls, has good steel that never rusts left over in the wick. That steel's the ultimate steel. Even if it cracks, if you return it to the fire, it's sure to be reborn. - Godot

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

Guts! - He doesn't need his name up in lightsHe just wants to swing his sword whether it's day or it's nightHe feels so unlike everybody else, aloneIn spite of the fact that some people still think that they know himBut fuck em, he knows the merc codeIt's about the salaryIt's all about reality and making some coinSurviving the battle – making sure his flag stays upThat means not putting the sword down till the job is done! Let's go!

I really don't want to see how this arc will be ruined I wish we won't have the limited repeated soundtracks we have in the 2016 anime. The rock song and Guts and blood, hai yo in each episode over and over again.Im not saying Hai yo is bad. But they used it way too much. And ash crow they used in the final epside should have been used in Griffith's birth

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

I don't think I've ever witnessed this side of Aaz. A welcome turn of events I'll say.

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

That would make a great outtake. Remember how the 1997 series had outtakes. I wonder if this new series had any, or if they just left them in.

His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavyThere's vomit on his armor already, Gambino's spaghettiHe's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop blows,But he keeps on forgetting what he planned down,The whole crowd goes so loudHe grits his teeth, but the legs won't moveHe's choking how, everybody's joking nowThe mercs run out, time's up, over, blaow!

When somethin' happens in the Kingdom of Midland? Nothin' happens!! It's just another mercenary dead...

I'm comin' straight outta Wyndham, crazy motherfucker named GriffithFrom a gang called Falconz Wit' Attitudes When I'm called off, with my crossbowSqueeze the trigger, and bodies are hauled offYou too, boy, if you fuck with meBlack Dog Knights gonna have to come get meThru the Eclipse - that's how I'm goin' outThe King's teen daughter, her hymen I'm knockin' outThe Bakiraka wanna fuck around with us?We chop off their limbs and fry 'em into kebabsGoin' off on a Kushan like thatLeavin' his turban head severed on the floor And once moreI'll leave you one-eyed and turn your girl into my hoeHere's my murder rap to keep you calmer With a crime record like Jeffrey DahmerCaptain Guts was my main toolFor killing kids young enough for pre-schoolMe and Casca go toe to toe, no "maybe"I'm poundin' her uterus dailyYo, weekly, monthly and yearlyUntil them dumb muthafuckas see clearlyThat I'm now down with Nosferatu Z-O-D-DBoy, you can't fuck with meSo when I'm in your villageYou better duck'Cause Griffith is crazy as fuckAs I leave, Skull Knight's corpse I'm stompin'But when I come back, boy... I'm comin' straight outta Wyndham