Nobody said they're driven by ease of access. That happen more than they would if there weren't such ease of access. I'm not even saying we should change anything. I just wish you guys wouldn't be so obtuse about the notion that if we had more restrictive gun policies, we'd have less of these events. It's a cost of our freedom.

So stop selling anything that looks like an "assault rifle"

A handgun with a clip would have done the same damage, he was not using an automatic weapon, he had to pull the trigger for each shot....same as any handgun

Is a semi-automatic rifle an essential liberty in present day America?

The beauty of the constitution is that it doesn't have an expiration date, or was there a footnote after "...shall not be infringed." which I missed?

Quote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.*

*void if Chuck Schumer cries during press conference.

_________________“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

Speed limit freedom results in (a lot more) death. If we had common sense gun laws speed limits (say, 25mph...hard to die in a 25mph crash) think of all the lives which could be saved! And you don't even have a right to drive a car.

Typical liberal partisan my view only response- "Cars serve the greater good, cars are essential to the economy, nobody intends to kill someone by driving 85mph recklessly, cars must be registered and insured in every state. Guns are intended to kill people, that is their only use, thus there is no comparison. also an "assault" rifle can kill a bunch of people at a time, where as a car accident just kills 2-3 people at once. Also car accidents are accidents- like getting killed by an avalanche or aux fire in a Baltimore ghetto- it's an accident. Guns kill people ON PURPOSE".. THAT is who you are arguing with.

And a response like that succeeds in pointing out how poorly thought out their original argument was, moving the debate to something more rational (where they ultimately admit that they don't believe you have a civil right to personal self defense).

Nobody said they're driven by ease of access. That happen more than they would if there weren't such ease of access. I'm not even saying we should change anything. I just wish you guys wouldn't be so obtuse about the notion that if we had more restrictive gun policies, we'd have less of these events. It's a cost of our freedom.

So stop selling anything that looks like an "assault rifle"

A handgun with a clip would have done the same damage, he was not using an automatic weapon, he had to pull the trigger for each shot....same as any handgun

Cho killed more. He even had some low capacity ban-era magazines.

_________________“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

Speed limit freedom results in (a lot more) death. If we had common sense gun laws speed limits (say, 25mph...hard to die in a 25mph crash) think of all the lives which could be saved! And you don't even have a right to drive a car.

Typical liberal partisan my view only response- "Cars serve the greater good, cars are essential to the economy, nobody intends to kill someone by driving 85mph recklessly, cars must be registered and insured in every state. Guns are intended to kill people, that is their only use, thus there is no comparison. also an "assault" rifle can kill a bunch of people at a time, where as a car accident just kills 2-3 people at once. Also car accidents are accidents- like getting killed by an avalanche or aux fire in a Baltimore ghetto- it's an accident. Guns kill people ON PURPOSE".. THAT is who you are arguing with.

And a response like that succeeds in pointing out how poorly thought out their original argument was, moving the debate to something more rational (where they ultimately admit that they don't believe you have a civil right to personal self defense).

wow, you drove BG off the damn rails....he could be our next psycho

Let's see if you can manage to type a grammatically correct sentence in 2018. It would be your first you dumb redneck.

_________________“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

Nobody said they're driven by ease of access. That happen more than they would if there weren't such ease of access. I'm not even saying we should change anything. I just wish you guys wouldn't be so obtuse about the notion that if we had more restrictive gun policies, we'd have less of these events. It's a cost of our freedom.

So it's your opinion that if all semi-automatic guns were banned, that mass shooting casualties would be the same, because people would use bombs and other means?

A glock/Sig/Beretta/HK 9mm and most other handguns are "semi-automatic".. you are arguing for an outright gun ban, just so you know.

Just so you know, I'm not arguing for that. I'm just trying to get the UWS locals to admit that our gun freedom results in death and that it's costly. I don't think I've gotten anyone on this board to admit that.

You should be more worried about this crazy F's who perpetrate the crimes. We should be institutionalizing these people instead of them wandering the damn streets. And to be crystalline, from my perspective, their right to not stay out of a mental facility does not equal or exceed my right to own a firearm. The vast, vast majority of people are not a threat to society.

_________________"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

"Christian socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat" Karl Marx

You should be more worried about this crazy F's who perpetrate the crimes. We should be institutionalizing these people instead of them wandering the damn streets. And to be crystalline, from my perspective, their right to not stay out of a mental facility does not equal or exceed my right to own a firearm. The vast, vast majority of people are not a threat to society.

The ACLU waged a successful battle in protecting the rights of people with mental disabilities last year.

Late in the 90's the NY ACLU successfully kept the records of mental patients or with mental disabilities out of the hands of anykind of national database to be used in background checks.

Oh, and thanks for using the term "fake news". It's a dead giveaway when it comes to spotting idiots.

The most recent incarnation of “Fake News” started with the left. It’s another way Trump is turning your stupid shiRt back on you tards. It’s actually been masterful. It has truly and completely exposed what the so called media is.

_________________"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."

I also have a Henry .357Mag/.38 Repeating Rifle. The reaction is "Oh what a cute cowboy rifle" then I blow a hole in a target and hay bail from 50 yards away (.357Mag) and it's like damn Skippy.

My most powerful rifle is probably my Marlin model 1895 in .45/70. For anyone who doesn't know, 1895 is the year it first came out.

_________________“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

_________________“At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child — miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.”

Well ignoramus, you had to disarm them in the 80s and 90s as they've been armed the majority of the time since we created public schools to begin with. But that was another time when we didn't have people like you and Nolan that need instruction to not eat Tide pods.

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