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UPDATE! Stick A Needle in My Eye? Not Anymore!

May 20, 2013

Hey Readers — The American Studies major in me can’t get enough of the way language changes with the culture. At my lectures (book me!) I always point out what someone once noted right here: “Arrival” and “dismissal” at school have morphed into “drop-off” and “pick-up.” Inherent in those new terms is the idea that an adult is, of course, always with the child. The new terms define the normal culture. And now look at this:

I guess so many kids were sticking needles in their eyes, we simply HAD to change the rhyme. But really, what’s so disgusting about this change is that it assumes — once again — that while every previous generation could chant the old rhyme without becoming terrified, suicidal or eye-maiming, this generation is so endangered, it needs to be protected from even the sing-song suggestion of harm.

UPDATE: Commenters are noting that the new words come directly from My Little Pony, which to me just means that some TV exec didn’t think anyone could say, “Stick a needle in my eye” on a kiddie show, which is in itself a sign of the times. But at least it’s not what all kids are saying now. – L.

I can answer this. This is from a children’s cartoon called “My Little Pony; Friendship is Magic.” My nieces watch it all the time, and the characters do this rhyme. This has nothing to do with children being sheltered, it’s just a rhyme one of the characters (who likes cupcakes) made up. The little girls just probably picked it up from that.

I’m all for free range kids, but please, let’s try and get our facts straight before we label everything as over protecting.

I mean, think about it. If it were truly child-sheltering the rhyme wouldn’t involve sticking ANYTHING in one’s eye, or “hoping to fly,” as with most people’s logic, this might provoke a child to actually try and fly off the roof.

I was always amused by parents that refused to sing the line in Rock a bye baby ” when the bough breaks, the baby will fall” As though the mere mention of falling will traumatize the poor infant or toddler.

@katrin: I always figured Rock-a-bye Baby was written to let parents get out a little bit of that pent-up frustration when the baby just isn’t falling asleep. Babies can really piss their parents off sometimes, and it’s nice to have a traditional song that acknowledges that. 🙂

And 20percentcooler is right, btw: it’s from My Little Pony (I think it’s called a “Pinkie Promise” named after Pinkie Pie, though other ponies use it too), and it’s a non-issue here. Come to think of it, while it’s hard to tell the ages of cartoon ponies, the show does feature three kid ponies who have their own clubhouse and go gallavanting all over the place on their own. So free-range friendly! 🙂

I went to a baby story time at our local library when my son was a infant. they did lots of rhymes and songs. And they changed the last line of “Where is Thumbkin” from “run away” to “run and play” because heaven forbid we encourage that kind of thing in our non-mobile babies! I refused to sing it that way.

I’m glad to see other parents stopping in to advise that this isn’t a case of sanitizing an old standby, but more a matter of updating the old standby to make sense in a different world — one where some ponies fly and cupcakes are practically currency.

Well, when I was a child in the 60’s, my parents changed the words of the “Now I Lay Me Down to Sleep” prayer. Instead of “if I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take” we said “Guide me through the starry night and wake me with the morning light.”

I don’t know if my folks made that up or not, but my mom always said the dying part sounded morbid to her.

I can see “stick a FINGER in my eye” as a substitute for “stick a needle in my eye,” but “stick a cupcake in my eye” sounds ridiculous. Also, “cross my heart and hope to fly” doesn’t make any sense either, because flying is a positive thing. Actually, this whole thing may be moot, because I don’t think I’ve ever heard a kid reciting that rhyme, in its original form or otherwise. Maybe it’s a regional thing, or maybe it fell out of favour before my childhood, but my peers and I would seal promises with a pinky swear, rather than with a rhyme.

Please don’t compare MLP with Barney. Pinkie Pie said cupcakes because she’s all about cupcakes. She wouldn’t have said finger; ponies don’t have fingers. The ‘hope to fly’ bit is pretty silly, but not offensive.

Not so offensive as Barney’s “Here we go Luby-Loo” which I learned as “Loopty-loo” which at least makes sense, because loops. You change loops to lube and you get something a little suggestive, especially “all on a Saturday night.”

But I am in the perfect age group to hate Barney (my baby sister loved it; yech!) yet love MLP (my own daughters), so I’ll admit my bias right now.

While some of the articles here are good examples of overprotectedness in our communities… there are many, many examples of the author being out of touch with reality. Here’s another one: “some TV exec didn’t think anyone could say…” — really? It’s a silly kids TV show and doesn’t have anything to do with kiddie protection.

I’d rather they’re playing outside, but as a whole TV is much *more* desensitizing to violence now than 30 or 50 years ago. *This* show is not *that* problem.

It should be noted that Pinkie Pie is able to poke herself in the eye without any ill effect, but others injure themselves while attempting to do so; she is much more a Warner Bros style character than the rest. Given the choice between teasing a balrog and breaking an oath to her, I would advise you to choose the former. The character is a baker, party planner, and free spirit who is essentially responsible for maintaining the morale of the entire town. She also has a photographic memory (able to remember the contents of a book that fell on her head), the ability to sense immediate disasters, and is quite skilled in hand-to-hand combat.

My daughter is a huge fan of the show, and it is actually quite free-range. There are three very young characters who have their own clubhouse and constantly roam around together unsupervised. This despite the fact that the village borders on a forest populated with creatures ranging from hydras to manticores. These characters are constantly trying new things, in order to determine what they should be when they grow up. Despite the often comically disastrous results, they are never discouraged from trying something new just because they might get hurt. Children are encouraged to work alongside adults and to run around on their own.

Overall, the show is a very good influence for kids, though the character names alone pretty much preclude any boys from being interested in it.

IMO, changing “when the bough breaks” is not to protect the feelings of little babies, but to protect the feelings of parents who have been brought up with religion or spiritualism, and somehow still believe that if you mention something bad, that bad thing will happen. It’s rampant in Jewish families (cf evil eye), and probably others.

2. You guys ARE aware that most of these rhymes and songs come from oral tradition, meaning that there are many variations and none is more definitive or “correct” just because you heard it when you were little, right?

3. Somebody is bound to bring this up now that we got started, so lets nip this one in the bud right now: Ring around the Rosie has nothing to do with the plague, and the most widespread set of words right now isn’t the same as the first recorded set.

Crack an egg on your head
Feel the yolk ooze down
Stab a knife in your back and
Feel the blood ooze down
Spiders running up your back
Spiders running down
Squish squash apple sauce
Now you’ve got the chills

(And that one requires touching!)

Writing them out, they do seem morbid, but we said these rhymes at school and at camp (where we also told ghost stories)….

Looney toons and Tom and Jerry had characters banging each other over the head, Popeye had the big bully and fist fights. Now we are using cupcakes?Even without violence, kids shows are way different. Think the Little Rascals, Codename:Kids Next Door…even old school Sesame Street DVDs are marked “not for kids”….

Point being, even if this specific example is not one of sanitizing what kids see or say, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.

Taradion–I remember the second rhyme, except you forgot the chorus. It goes, “Concentrate! Concentrate! People are dying, children are crying, concentrate! Concentrate!” Then, it goes into each verse–crack an egg on your back, stab a knife in your back, etc. I don’t remember the spiders or applesauce part, but these things are passed on verbally by kids, and rarely written down, so there’s bound to be some deviation.

On the update: I don’t even think the point is that the TV producers thought the traditional version was too mean — it’s that their version of the rhyme is the one little ponies would use in little pony world.

While I thought this version was *stupid* when I first heard it, it’s hard to watch MLP and think anything has been sanitized. It’s definitely not as sugar-sweet as the version I watched in the 80s. I seriously don’t think anyone is afraid for ponies to say the word “die,” as I’ve definitely heard at least one of them freak out and be all over-dramatic about something, including “we’re all gonna die!”

For the person who said that the names alone preclude boys liking the show, I guess you haven’t heard about “bronies.” That’s what boy fans, like my teenaged son, are called. It’s silly, IMO.

When my older kids were little, they were given little dolls that said the bedtime prayer like this:

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my soul to keep
May angels watch me through the night
And keep me safe to morning light

Since the kids wanted to pray with their dolls, we said it that way, and just added in at the end:

I would just like to say that the image of someone sticking a cupcake in their eye keeps making me laugh! Please note, in my image, it’s one of those cupcake with more frosting than cake and the person is smashing it into their eye in a manner similar to a frat boy smashing a beer can into their forehead. Also, the frosting is bright pink, but no sprinkles or glitter-that could hurt your eyes 🙂

@Warren – I doubt they will censor Bambi like that. We all cried when Bambi’s mom died (and when when we watch the movie, still do,) but that’s what mad it nostalgic. I doubt they’d cut out something that was a part of someone’s childhood

Really?
How is it different from changing Santa’s pipe, or Humpty being put back together? Or the fact that every Looney Tunes cartoon comes with a warning longer than the Resident Evil series?

No Bambi won’t be altered, it will just not be shown.

We had it out with my oldest daughter’s high school. Actually I had nothing to do with it, the students took care of it. They wanted to remove certain books for politcal correctness. Not from the library, that was still freedom of choice, but they wanted to make a list of books not eligible for assignments. Their rational being the assignments may be presented to the class, or displayed for the school, thus not giving the students the freedom of avoiding them.
One of them was “Taming of the Shrew”, because the word Shrew was insulting to women. The students confronted the school, and told them they were not going to return to the days of book burning censorship, and that the student body would take action against the school. They won.
Politcal correctness/uber safety/helicoptering parents, all will be our downfall. Traditions, heritage and history are all at risk.
The most hilarious one of late, is that any movie that has anyone smoking in it, is automatically rated R. That is how bad it is becoming.

I only know “Cross my heart and hope to get spanked until my bottom goes purple”… (Queen Elizabeth in Blackadder II, ep 6)

All these sanitized nursing rhymes remind me of the far more wicked songs we sang in recess in primary school, standing in a circle and clapping hands etc, for example changing the song of the dwarfs in Snow White into ‘hey ho, hey ho, this is how you f**k’ (it would rhyme in Dutch), followed by an explanation of the required actions to start a new family that was so rude the teachers scolded us for it once they found out what we had been singing all those weeks…
Aaahh, the innocence of children…! 😀

I thought the “sanitized” version of Humpty Dumpty went, “All the king’s horses, and all the king’s men, tried to put Humpty together again,” whereas the original version was “couldn’t put Humpty together again.” Even in the sanitized version, it’s still ambivalent as to whether the people’s efforts were successful.

@Natalie–Yes, I do remember that. Also, in the original Three Little Pigs, Goldilocks jumped out the second-story bedroom window, and was never seen again. The story doesn’t say outright that she died, but it elaborates on possibilities–maybe she broke her leg, maybe she died, or maybe she was just so scared that she ran away. In that version of the story, the bears were much less anthropomorphized, and they growled and snapped at Goldilocks like they wanted to eat her. In the story I remember from my youth, the bears chased Goldilocks down the stairs and out the front door, and she simply ran away. In a contemporary version of the story on the children’s cartoon “Super Readers” (which I saw while waiting for something else to start), the bears get upset with Goldilocks for making a mess, but then she apologizes and cleans up the mess, and all is well.

Wow… wow… uh, I don’t know where to begin here. I was reading this and noticed the saying… first off this is from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. It is a TV show made by the creator of The Powerpuff Girls and Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends and based very loosely around Hasbro’s My Little Pony toy franchise. The fact that the show avoids “girliness” (the creator is a feminist herself) and shows a wide variety of well-developed characters has given it possibly the largest peripheral demographic following of any TV show; it is the 9th most active fandom (defined here as a community based on a specific intellectual property of some sort) on college-male-dominated aggregator site Reddit.

The show is not trying to bowdlerize anything; in fact its creator would probably be very averse to any type of pure censorship. In this case, it is another silly joke (made by the character known for being quite silly) which places a well-known saying into the world of Equestria. Some ponies, called pegasi, are able to fly. Pinkie Pie is an Earth pony, so for her to fly she would have to totally change her kind, which is impossible (unless there is some sort of reincarnation, in which case fly and die mean the same thing for her, but that is not mentioned in the series at all). Cupcakes are often made by the characters, most notably by Pinkie Pie in a song sequence. This line from the show is no more an attempt at censorship than the line “Float like a Butterfree, sting like a Beedrill” which is found in one episode of Pokémon. The TV exec most definitely did not decide to censor with that; it would actually be more out of place for a character as goofy as Pinkie Pie to say the original than this version. The edit of the saying was made because it is the type of thing this character would say; it is called good television writing and character development, not bigwigs messing with scripts after they’ve been written in order to “protect” kids.

After reading the comments I realize a lot of people already said this, but there needed to be a little more background information explaining that even Lenore’s edit is incorrect and mentioning that the creator would not want anything to be bowdlerized.

Also, 20percentcooler: At first you said your nieces watch the show… I was going to respond with “Your name seems to suggest it’s not just your nieces” then I saw your later comment attesting to the reality. /)

First thing I thought of reading this is the softening of the bedtime prayer, too. “If I should die before I wake…” My mother gave my children those prayer stuffed animals saying the “the angels watch me through the night until I wake in the morning light.”

As for My Little Pony, mamas don’t let your babies grow up to be “bronies”.

Warren: Good point. A bit on a tangent, but why is it more acceptable to hold a video game controller like a gun than it is to hold a PENCIL like one? Both are perfectly innocuous objects (though the video game controller may get damaged due to being thrown against the wall one too many times)

Being a fan of My Little Pony, I disagree with your conclusion about the TV show creators thinking the needle was “too dangerous” for a kid’s show. The character who coined the cupcake part, Pinkie Pie, is this goofy little party-loving pony, and as she says cupcake she actually stabs her hoof into her eye. (Later, when another pony is making the same promise, the rhyme is interrupted by her saying “ow” after she is required to hit her eye.)

Surely this makes the rhyme much more dangerous than a metaphorical needle that doesn’t come anywhere close to being a real danger to kids and their eyes.

@Kay – What’s the matter with teenage boys liking ponies? They were named best fandom of TV Tropes, because bronies have been known to be kind and tolerate others as a result of them liking a show about ponies. I should know. My brother and I are bronies. Many bronies have even posted pictures online of getting other people from the fandom together to build houses, collect charity donations, etc, while wearing My Little Pony shirts to show our support.

Who knows? After seeing this, we might encourage our kids to be more free-range.

Twentysixletters-
I`ve meet Bronies that where sexist,racist and/or prejudges. Don’t believe me then go to /mlp/. I saw some Bronies push another to commit suicide on there as well.

Liking some show or not makes little or no difference in who that person is. You can be a good or bad person if you watch the show or not.

Like keeping anything controversial or violent away from your child is not going to sure you that you wont have a delinquent or violent child. As well as tv show morals often fail as well. Teaching the kid yourself will always have more importance then some tv show or other form of media.

Kaye, the a-tishoo! version definitely predates the ashes version, but not by very long. Neither of them is the first recorded version, or even the most widespread one until recently! And, again, there is absolutely no connection to the plague.

Until now the best one that I heard was, “Ba Ba Rainbow Sheep. The nursery rhyme was changed so that it wouldn’t prompt a racial issue.
3 blind mice nursery rhyme was also changed to, ……she cut them some cake with a carving knife…….

Was it changed for racial reasons? Or just so that when singing to preschoolers you can sneak in a lesson about colors? Not everything has a creepy ulterior motive, some of them are just normal ulterior motives.

As far as three blind mice goes, the oldest recorded version is nothing like you think. One might as well ask why we stopped singing about Dame Julienne and exhorting others to lick the knife!

Uly, since I can’t quite imagine how substituting the word “rainbow” for the word “black” actually teaches kids anything about colors, I really do find it more plausible that resistance to the word “black” is more the issue here (particularly since that wrecks the meter of the song, as well.) What the precise thinking behind the resistance is, we can’t really know.

Who said anything about “substituting the word rainbow for black”? You sing black sheep, then pull out another color, identify it, and sing about red sheep, green sheep, and so on. You use a rainbow of sheep. Also, it takes longer.

I just can’t help thinking that if the goal was simply to avoid singing about the word black they would just sing a different song altogether. It’s not like there aren’t zillions of nursery rhymes and children’s songs to sing. If you don’t like baa baa black sheep you can try Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star or the ABCs. Or, I don’t know, that one about the frogs on the log eating bugs.

I’ll probably get crucified for saying this, but I don’t think updated rhymes are part of any child protection conspiracy. I think that things just evolve over time.

And even if newer versions WERE taught to kids as a safer alternative, or even if they just evolved at play group, I think we should let our kids decide which one they like to say. While I believe in Free-Range Kids, I also believe in kids who decide what they like for themselves, not being told to like one version over the other for any reason. It takes all the fun out of it, if you ask me.

Maybe they sing “Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep” because rainbows are more appealing to four year olds because rainbows are more fun than the color black. Or maybe the three blind mice were given cake because kids like cake.

As long as you’re not getting snapped at by other moms who are overly concerned about you teaching your daughter about the original black sheep or tailless mice, I see no problem with teaching your kids both old and new and letting them decide which to use.

That still doesn’t teach kids anything about color. Singing about colors doesn’t teach you about colors, really.

But you may be right that it isn’t necessarily about avoiding “black.” Still the answer to “why would they just not sing the song” is the answer to why lots of things get changed, instead of avoided — they want to sing the song, but they have some perception that it needs to be changed.

Well, it’s my understanding that many preschools and preschool programs use props, as I stated in my comment. They point to something red or hold up a red sheep and – voila! – teaching. I have personally seen it done this way by three different programs, and I wouldn’t be surprised if other people do the same thing.

In fact, I just googled it, and a teacher suggestion site with just that idea was, like, the second up. Teachers seem to crib from each other all the time (and who can blame them?), so if its fourth from the top it must be all over the place by now.

Also, I don’t necessarily think it’s a *good* idea, just that it’s less inane than conflating black sheep with black people and assuming any reference to one must be bad. If that were the reasoning, though, I’d expect them to take out the word “master”, and people don’t seem to do that as much.

Rainbow sheep? A useful concept – a shame they don’t exist in nature. Would save a lot of time in the dyeing process. Can’t say I have heard that version of the rhyme here, but then we seem to still use mostly the traditional ones, I think – I know I do. Also I think there would probably be a hue and cry from farmers and the community – some kids are out of touch already with the realities of food and animal production, and the last thing they need is nonsense about sheep colour.

Also I had no idea My Little Ponies were such a cultural icon. I thought they were just irritating little plastic things invented by some marketer on illicit drugs…….All the wonderful psychedelic colours. Obviously I was wrong.

You know, hineata, that might be another factor. Children rarely see sheep in cities or suburbs (and 80% of the US population lives in cities and suburbs) and are at best vaguely aware that they’re white. If they can be black, why NOT be all sorts of odd colors? Sweaters and hats come in colors, after all, so why not the wool?

If you want to teach them reality, you wouldn’t want to do that, but then, you probably also wouldn’t want to teach them that sheep can answer questions.