> And you ?>> Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but> please tell me>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU.>>>>> this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you>> wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for>> others to do if they really cared)>>>>>> You've got no creditbility here.>>>>> Why, because you say so?>>>> What did you do for computer security lately?>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>>>>>>>> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a>>>> comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda>>>> (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)>>>>>>>> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you>>>> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic>>>> English).>>>>>>>> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily>>>> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil>>>> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).>>>>>>>> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer>>>> security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security>>>> related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated>>>> to computer security_?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli>>>>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something>>>>> EVIL.>>>>>>>>>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking>>>>> brown noze.>>>>>>>>>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@rocketmail.com>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for>>>>>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he>>>>>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or>>>>>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda>>>>>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like>>>>>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but>>>>>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you>>>>>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew>>>>>> Intelligencer &>>>>>> Founder of n3td3v>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider>>>>>> <avri.schneider@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@gmail.com>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> which propaganda ?>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> But i understand why now :>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the>>>>>> military>>>>>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and>>>>>> participating>>>>>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. ">>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@gmail.com>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <A.L.M.Buxey@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi,>>>>>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber>>>>>> security>>>>>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing>>>>>> was>>>>>> >>>> > setup.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into>>>>>> technical>>>>>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing>>>>>> lists are>>>>>> >>>> > created?>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of>>>>>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting>>>>>> here>>>>>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting>>>>>> it here).>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and>>>>>> >>>> useful!>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want>>>>>> >>> (security related or not).>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security>>>>>> related>>>>>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect>>>>>> some spam.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with>>>>>> propaganda, or>>>>>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options ->>>>>> either a)>>>>>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend>>>>>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be>>>>>> accomplished by>>>>>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a>>>>>> certain>>>>>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and>>>>>> blacklist the>>>>>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham>>>>>> schneider/js>>>>>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that ->>>>>> and you are>>>>>> >>> back with a readable FD.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to>>>>>> being>>>>>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least>>>>>> without>>>>>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it>>>>>> is),>>>>>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some>>>>>> hypocricy>>>>>> >>> here.>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> ala>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.>>>>>> >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html>>>>>> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________>>>>>> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.>>>>>> >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html>>>>>> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________>>>>>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.>>>>>> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html>>>>>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.>>>>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html>>>>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.>>>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html>>>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>