Oddly enough, it was the US Army that taught me this, over 40 years ago. And while right-wingers are bitching about the Army being used for a "social experiment" regarding integration of gays & lesbians, just as they once did about Blacks in uniform, the truth is the military is much more progressive than the general population.

Because of the very fact that it IS military. You don't get to pick & choose, declare you won't serve next to a Black, or a woman, or a gay, you just do what you're told. And the US military is surprisingly good at educating & explaining why these things are so.

Maybe not in the heat of battle, when you're given an order to take a hill, no questions asked, no time to hesitate, or in Army Basic Training (or its equivalent in the other services) where your NCO trainer makes you jump for no apparent reason.

And so the only criteria I ever used during my career as an Army leader was performance. The rest didn't interest me. I promoted women when that surprised some men.

I ignored if soldiers in my command were obviously gay, and gave them early promotions ahead of others, when they were the best performers, the best SOLDIERS I had. Or if they weren't the best, then others were advanced past them.

There's one RJ member here who consistently says I hurt gay soldiers during my career. He had no evidence for that, just his usual nuttiness. But it does bother me, when others read those lies, because I honestly did use a job-performance basis, as I was duty-bound to do, as the US Army charged me. And gay men & women never were disadvantaged by me, but rather promoted & advanced as their performance merited, not based on their sexual orientation, for the betterment of the US Army. I'm glad the general US public is coming to that same point.

So the title of this thread is misleadingly "and, er, so what-esque?".

The question asked about being out at work is interesting though. I hate coming out at work in that it can be so laborious, unless you're "obviously" gay.

Corporate environments are so PC these days you can be waiting weeks, months, for someone to ask if you're single/have a girlfriend/wife.

My ideal is to talk about my partner and slip in that he's a he as unobtrusively as possible.

Hate saying, "I'm gay" cos it automatically makes something an issue that really isn't/shouldn't be an issue but clearly is an issue or I wouldn't be typing this ...

OK so I DO like to string people along for a while to get that "oh I had no idea" reaction.

That said, if I worked with an open homophobe (so very, very unlikely these days), I'd be out of that closet faster than a flie to shit and rub the bastard's nose right in it. And scare him. Before changing his views on the issue by being me. I seriously fucking rock, you see.

Unless you are talking about the priesthood, as that was created for man, not women. Oh and just because she may want, there still is no place for females in the priesthood, their roll is to have babies. I know and just as not all women can breed, not all men can behold the priesthood either.

pattison saidUnless you are talking about the priesthood, as that was created for man, not women. Oh and just because she may want, there still is no place for females in the priesthood, their roll is to have babies. I know and just as not all women can breed, not all men can behold the priesthood either.

I_Am_English saidSo the title of this thread is misleadingly "and, er, so what-esque?".

The question asked about being out at work is interesting though. I hate coming out at work in that it can be so laborious, unless you're "obviously" gay.

Corporate environments are so PC these days you can be waiting weeks, months, for someone to ask if you're single/have a girlfriend/wife.

My ideal is to talk about my partner and slip in that he's a he as unobtrusively as possible.

Hate saying, "I'm gay" cos it automatically makes something an issue that really isn't/shouldn't be an issue but clearly is an issue or I wouldn't be typing this ...

OK so I DO like to string people along for a while to get that "oh I had no idea" reaction.

That said, if I worked with an open homophobe (so very, very unlikely these days), I'd be out of that closet faster than a flie to shit and rub the bastard's nose right in it. And scare him. Before changing his views on the issue by being me. I seriously fucking rock, you see.

Or the bitch's. but it would probably be a man, wouldn't it?

I'm not sure where you came from... but I'm really starting to like you

I_Am_English saidSo the title of this thread is misleadingly "and, er, so what-esque?".

The question asked about being out at work is interesting though. I hate coming out at work in that it can be so laborious, unless you're "obviously" gay.

Corporate environments are so PC these days you can be waiting weeks, months, for someone to ask if you're single/have a girlfriend/wife.

My ideal is to talk about my partner and slip in that he's a he as unobtrusively as possible.

Hate saying, "I'm gay" cos it automatically makes something an issue that really isn't/shouldn't be an issue but clearly is an issue or I wouldn't be typing this ...

OK so I DO like to string people along for a while to get that "oh I had no idea" reaction.

That said, if I worked with an open homophobe (so very, very unlikely these days), I'd be out of that closet faster than a flie to shit and rub the bastard's nose right in it. And scare him. Before changing his views on the issue by being me. I seriously fucking rock, you see.

Or the bitch's. but it would probably be a man, wouldn't it?

I'm not sure where you came from... but I'm really starting to like you

I was here before you and I'll be here after you. I'm the alpha and the omega and shit.

I_Am_English saidSo the title of this thread is misleadingly "and, er, so what-esque?".

The question asked about being out at work is interesting though. I hate coming out at work in that it can be so laborious, unless you're "obviously" gay.

Corporate environments are so PC these days you can be waiting weeks, months, for someone to ask if you're single/have a girlfriend/wife.

My ideal is to talk about my partner and slip in that he's a he as unobtrusively as possible.

Hate saying, "I'm gay" cos it automatically makes something an issue that really isn't/shouldn't be an issue but clearly is an issue or I wouldn't be typing this ...

OK so I DO like to string people along for a while to get that "oh I had no idea" reaction.

That said, if I worked with an open homophobe (so very, very unlikely these days), I'd be out of that closet faster than a flie to shit and rub the bastard's nose right in it. And scare him. Before changing his views on the issue by being me. I seriously fucking rock, you see.

Or the bitch's. but it would probably be a man, wouldn't it?

I'm not sure where you came from... but I'm really starting to like you

I was here before you and I'll be here after you. I'm the alpha and the omega and shit.