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No it isn't. Its because the people misjudged the mood. The poor were getting the short end for years and people were willing to throw the dice . It's like the Bob Dylan lyric " when you got nothing you got nothing to lose"

I'm still convinced that if parliament would have ran its course (as it should have) instead of the lib dems and Tories forcing an election then we would now have a hung parliament where all options would be open.

How would JC have handled the civil liberties aspect differently do you think?

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I get those things may be the case mate, but they’re not worse than dying. They’re just not. In terms of this virus existing and spreading, it is what it is. It’s here now and we need to react in the best, most pragmatic way possible to stop it. In my opinion it (COVID-19) needs to be shown the greatest of respect and mitigated/avoided at all costs. Similar to how if an uncontrollable fire was burning through your neighbourhood, you wouldn’t stand in its path for fear the government were being handed a charter to force people from their homes in future non-lethal circumstances.

Are we woefully unprepared for it? Yep. Has the way our society and especially health service have been run down in particularly the past 10 years contributed to that? Absolutely. Is a serious period of reflection then transformation required domestically and globally, to find a better way to live with and care about what happens to one another, so people aren’t so vulnerable and greater focus is given to value and quality of life than cost? 100%.

Unfortunately though, at the moment we just need to stem the bleeding. However dystopian the risk of losing things we currently enjoy as staples of our normal life may be. Obviously all only my personal view. I get others have their own opinions, so apologies if I’m being self-righteous.

Watching the relative degradation of our health service up close under normal circumstances for a very long time and then seeing the devastating affects of this in other countries has just got to me when I think about what is highly likely-inevitable to be coming. Apart from everything else there is to consider on the human cost side, having the remarkable souls who man our NHS effectively used as cannon-fodder is turning my stomach.

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Just heard that one of my best mates is in intensive care at the JR in Oxford. His sister says he's got 2 days to respond to treatment or it's over. He's 41 with an 10 year old daughter

6 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

We’ve just been told that a colleagues wife has died of it.

Sorry to read this and hope there's some response from your friend matty. It's horrible to see such a short time frame for someone in that situation.

I follow Michael Rosen on twitter and saw him tweeting about his illness early on. He thought he had it, then was better and thought it might not have been this, then I saw a tweet from him days later describing an even worse state. At that point I feared checking back on him then saw on Guardian earlier that he's in intensive care. It's a gutter to know so many are going through this, especially where people feel better then it starts up again even worse.

Our governments have to be held to account properly now so that we don't ever see something like this spreading around the world so badly again with such a collective failure from them. A total mess of a response that's cost so many lives and that'll cost many thousands more before it's over.

I always have the mindset that I'd happily have some weed as long as I'm not feeling ill (haven't smoked it for over a year I don't think.) When I first have some after a while without it though the first smoke almost always gives me a paranoid feeling for a while and I have to drink with it too so anxiety doesn't flare up too bad. So fuck knows what I'd be like if I had some now.

I'd definitely still smoke some now but would start by just having a couple of drags then leaving it for a while, then go back to it. The thought of smoking half a joint or more with all of this on my head + weed paranoia makes me cringe.

Reminds me I still have an almost full bottle of baileys and keep saying I'll have some soon but still haven't. Might get some a bit later.

Covid-19 on 210 death certificates in England and Wales by 20 March

The ONS has published the first of its new weekly bulletin which will include all instances where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate and will include non-hospital deaths.

A total of 210 deaths in England and Wales that occurred up to and including 20 March (and which were registered up to 25 March) had Covid-19 mentioned on the death certificate, according to new figures from the Office for National Statistics.

This compares with 170 coronavirus-related deaths reported by NHS England and Public Health Wales up to and including March 20.

A quick note on the difference between the figures published by the ONS and those that have been published thus far by NHS England and Public Health Wales:

The ONS death figures are based on the number of deaths registered in England and Wales where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate as “deaths involving Covid-19”. The number includes all deaths, not just those in hospitals, although there is usually a delay of at least five days between a death occurring and registration.

The figures published by NHS England and Public Health Wales are for deaths only among hospital patients who have tested positive for Covid-19, but include deaths that have not yet been registered.