I'm not a huge fan of Nietzsche even though I agree with him about some things. The fact is Hitler achieved more than Nietzsche could have in his wildest dreams.

Nobody is a slave for respecting a man who had a great vision, and did the best he could to achieve his goals. But he met the wrath of most of the world's military precisely because he chose to do the right thing instead of being another slave to jewish power.

If someone suggests that one is a slave just because they identify more with the losing side must also believe that one is a master who does the bidding of the wining side.

My opinion is I just dont agree with Nietzche.
And I also think the NSt leaders who followed his teachings made a mistake by taking him too serious.
But its nice to see what others opinions are.
Unfortunately some get offended very easily.
I couldnt care if he thought I was a slae mentality or not.
He might have been smarter than me but that doesnt make him know everything.

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This was an interesting thread LFV. For me I would start with defining what is a master and what is a slave. To me it doesnt matter if a slave posses a master mentality because he is a slave. A master is someone with the ability to seize wealth and power and to rule the weaker people. His mentality is essential but not in the regard of sentiments.

Oh I don't know how about I have a mentality about not being enslaved to the central banks!

You do know that is what Hitler was fighting against correct?

Instead of getting angry read the question here properly.
It has nothing to do with who or what Hitler was fighting.
It is about Nietchze and his view on people who I will call Hitler supporters which I take it you count yourself as.
Did Hitler ultimately defeat the power of the Central Banks or when he died were they still in control.
Did he succeed in his fight or did he die without beating them.
The fact they never lost their place in this World would be an indicator that he failed.
According to Nietchze then anyone who supports a man who didnt emerge victorious, no matter how well meaning the man was, has a Slave mentality.
Nietchze was a favourite of NS intelligensia.
Why dont you just say you think his phillosophy was wrong and those who support it are wrong instead of getting mad.
Instead of telling us what Hitler wanted, which no one is debating, tell us why Nietchze was preaching a false philosophy if thats what you believe.
A lot of hyper sensitives either havent read or dont understand the OP.

This was an interesting thread LFV. For me I would start with defining what is a master and what is a slave. To me it doesnt matter if a slave posses a master mentality because he is a slave. A master is someone with the ability to seize wealth and power and to rule the weaker people. His mentality is essential but not in the regard of sentiments.

I will admit much of Nietchze is beyond me.
Whether his opinion of me as having a Slave mentality is correct in his views is unimportant.
The bits of his work I do understand I mostly disagree with anyway so his opinion of me is no more valid than my opinion of him.
I would have more respect for a man with decent honourble intentions who fought against all odds in an effort to build his ideals and who died and failed while trying than I would have for someone who got lucky and emerged victorious in an easy battle where everything went his way even though he is meant to attract the support of the Master Mentality.
I think a lot of his work what really shines through is a lack of understanding of people.

The opinion of most NS is that of, Hitler fought in the early years of the war of international jewry war. It is viewed as a war that hasn't ceased. We are just the next army that opposes them. Hitler armed us with the weapons that will topple them. As in the ideology of NS. I admire Hitler and what he attempted to achieve, but as with all dead people, I leave them in the past. Although it would be foolish not to note was what successful at that time. Just as it would be equally foolish not to note what didn't work. As posted by someone previously, all things should be questioned.

The opinion of most NS is that of, Hitler fought in the early years of the war of international jewry war. It is viewed as a war that hasn't ceased. We are just the next army that opposes them. Hitler armed us with the weapons that will topple them. As in the ideology of NS. I admire Hitler and what he attempted to achieve, but as with all dead people, I leave them in the past. Although it would be foolish not to note was what successful at that time. Just as it would be equally foolish not to note what didn't work. As posted by someone previously, all things should be questioned.

Thats a good post.
You put forward some points I hadnt considered that could be viewed as long term victories for Hitler as a man eg giving people the weapons to defeat the enemy with.
Shame someone else hadnt tried something more positive like that.
Also if you take the view that Hitler was simply one chapter in a book that began long before he was born and is a work in progress with an as yet undecided finish it could be argued that leaving behind a larger than life semi mythological personality is a victory in its own right because it gives people an almost messianic type figure that will never be completely eradicated and will continue to attract interest from potential armed warriors untill the day of reckoning.
That would change his followers to having a Master mentality towards the man rather than a Slave one in Nietchzes views.
Personally I am not a great supporter of the man himself
But it is nice to see that some people actually understood the point and tried to address it rather than just getting spitting mad that someone might print them and the word Slave together.
I think the NS hierarchy were over influenced by Nietchzes philosophy which may sound good on paper but is useless in real life.
A lot of NS PR problems come from the association with Nietchzes Blonde Beast ice cold , PSYCHOPATHICALY unfeeling and no mercy ruthless machine like human on his way to replacing God.
They chose that image as an ideal of sorts and something to be aspired towards in behaviour if not in the looks dept the media decided to stress.
In fact Hitler being influenced by Nietchze was a serious flaw in his make up I think.
But it would still be nice to see what others have to say.
By the way I think your last two lines shows what seperates you from the herd.

This is not meant to be offensive since according to the theory I also have a Slave mentality.
A recent post by a Stormfront member, wish I could recall their name to show respect for teaching me something, talked about Nietchze and his Slave and Master mentality theory.
According to this theory men could be divided into those with either a Slave or Master mentality.
One of the big differences between both was that the Slave mentality respected men for their intentions and what they tried to achieve.
The Master mentality though respected men only for what they actually did achieve.
I myself tend to respect men for what drives them and for their intentions rather than just what is actually achieved.
I know that many Hitler supporters are also admirers of Nietchze and his philosophy.
Does this mean that admiring Hitler, who ultimately failed completely is a Slave attitude.
If Hitler could look down I wonder what would be his opinion of those who are devoted to his memory.
Would he see them as second rate because they respect him for his ideals rather than any actual success.
Or do youse think Nietche was wrong in his own philosophies and perhaps Hitler was wrong to respect his ideas.
Anyway it will be interesting to hear your opinions.

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This is not meant to be offensive since according to the theory I also have a Slave mentality.A recent post by a Stormfront member, wish I could recall their name to show respect for teaching me something, talked about Nietzsche and his Slave and Master mentality theory.
According to this theory men could be divided into those with either a Slave or Master mentality.
One of the big differences between both was that the Slave mentality respected men for their intentions and what they tried to achieve.
The Master mentality though respected men only for what they actually did achieve.
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I believe you mean my recent post:

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Originally Posted by Alpha Tauri

This is not about debating history or self-worship, it's about fundamental differences between biological worldview and the Christian worldview. Check the so-called holy books and find anything which talks about preserving one's race -- you won't find it. Also, try to find anything which values master instead of slave morality -- you won't find it either. This topic is not easy to discuss, because people imagine slave owners and slaves when one mentions "master & slave morality". I mean this:

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Master–slave morality is a central theme of Friedrich Nietzsche's works, in particular the first essay of On the Genealogy of Morality. Nietzsche argued that there were two fundamental types of morality: 'Master morality' and 'slave morality'. Slave morality values things like kindness, humility and sympathy, while master morality values pride, strength, and nobility. Master morality weighs actions on a scale of good or bad consequences unlike slave morality which weighs actions on a scale of good or evilintentions. What he meant by 'morality' deviates from common understanding of this term. For Nietzsche, a particular morality is inseparable from the formation of a particular culture. This means that its language, codes and practices, narratives, and institutions are informed by the struggle between these two types of moral valuation.

Cosmotheism values that which is ensuring our evolution towards perfection, which is connected to evolution of our biological race. It is compatible with Nietzsche's notion of master morality, or to be more universal and not limited to one philosopher, it is compatible with the Natural order itself.

Normally it is best not to follow anyone completely, be it Hitler or Christ Himself. It is important to harness your life-energy and direct it towards things which really interest you. It will in turn increase the creative potential of any civilization, which means greater power and true progress. Blind obedience (ie. Führerprinzip) is also very powerful, especially among elites, but it should be reserved to those few who are ready for it.