Sadly, "Anglican theology" has long ceased being coherent. Their appropriation of Orthodox trappings is no surprise.

I always wondered this; if the Queen one morning in all honesty claimed she witnessed, say, the Archangel Michael talk to her to say some message, is that experience supposed to be embued within the Church theology then?

I know most Britons probably wouldn't take it too seriously but still.

Like I said, Anglican theology has been all over the place for more than forty years. If the Queen did see such a vision, it would make no difference to what the Anglican church as a whole believes, not when there have been bishops openly questioning fundamental teachings such as the virgin birth and the Resurrection of Christ.

Like I said, Anglican theology has been all over the place for more than forty years. If the Queen did see such a vision, it would make no difference to what the Anglican church as a whole believes, not when there have been bishops openly questioning fundamental teachings such as the virgin birth and the Resurrection of Christ.

One of them is David Jenkins, Bishop of Durham, 1984. York Minster was hit by a lightning bolt and set on fire several days after he said these things. He is by no means the only one. Then there are American Episcopalians like Bishop Spong.

One of them is David Jenkins, Bishop of Durham, 1984. York Minster was hit by a lightning bolt and set on fire several days after he said these things. He is by no means the only one. Then there are American Episcopalians like Bishop Spong.

Well...what would you describe the Anglican Church as then, if anything? To quote the late Robin Williams "I'm an Episcopal, which is Catholic Lite. It's like same religion, half the guilt. "

I have seen an icon once or twice in a (Western) RC Church and was shocked.

You haven't been to many RC churches, have you? There would be few RC churches in the world which don't have an icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help on display, and usually facing a stand of votive candles. This is not a new custom, either.

I have seen an icon once or twice in a (Western) RC Church and was shocked.

You haven't been to many RC churches, have you? There would be few RC churches in the world which don't have an icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help on display, and usually facing a stand of votive candles. This is not a new custom, either.

This icon is known in Orthodoxy as Mother of God of the Passion.

That's very interesting; I've never seen that, not even in St. Patrick's Cathedral. Why are icons rarely mentioned in that church, then? How did the Orthodox veneration grow so strong but Rome's decrease?

That's very interesting; I've never seen that, not even in St. Patrick's Cathedral. Why are icons rarely mentioned in that church, then? How did the Orthodox veneration grow so strong but Rome's decrease?

Were icons ever popular in the pre-Schism West?

Your questions require long answers to fully address them, but here's a start:

The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

"In this regard, it must be remembered that the Byzantines were the descendants of the Greeks and Romans who gave the world the physical perfection of Classical sculpture and murals (such as the sculptures of Praxiteles and Pheidias, or the frescoes of Pompeii), and where the development of geometry allowed the refinement of linear perspective in depicting three dimensions on a flat surface."

It just hit me to make the connection how the same Empire that produced some of the greatest art known to man drastically changed its art focus over the centuries from the naturalistic to the abstract . Did the "Byzantines" see the Classical sculpture as idolatrous?

Really? all I see is icons hung up as pictures....I didn't see HM bowing or kissing or any other signs of actual veneration.

Well...I'm sure she has done something like that (kind of) in her life before at a service, but there's a cultural difference too. I don't know how the media would react if she was captured kissing an icon or praying to it. They would probably tear her apart and Protestant ministers would label her everything in the book, she can't do anything.

Notice that the people there consider them more as works of art rather than icons to be venerated.

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The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai Writings from the Philokalia: On Prayer of the Heart,Translated from the Russian by E. Kadloubovksy and G.E.H. Palmer, Faber and Faber, London, Boston, 1992 printing.

It just hit me to make the connection how the same Empire that produced some of the greatest art known to man drastically changed its art focus over the centuries from the naturalistic to the abstract .

Naturalism is for earthly things. The abstraction of iconography speaks of what is not of this world.

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Did the "Byzantines" see the Classical sculpture as idolatrous?

It's possible some saw them in that light, but it is also telling that the standard for images suitable for veneration became the icon, not the statue.

Sadly, "Anglican theology" has long ceased being coherent. Their appropriation of Orthodox trappings is no surprise.

Regardless, many in Modern England, including the Royals have done much for Orthodox refugees, historical sites, preservation of the writings, and so on. I have no patience for traditional Orthodox people so quickly condemning the West.

I mean what do you want to say about the Orthodox? That a minority of us (and not us personally) didn't go iconoclastic, Islamic or commie in a time of severe persecution within our own culture?

Sadly, "Anglican theology" has long ceased being coherent. Their appropriation of Orthodox trappings is no surprise.

Regardless, many in Modern England, including the Royals have done much for Orthodox refugees, historical sites, preservation of the writings, and so on. I have no patience for traditional Orthodox people so quickly condemning the West.

I was going to say this, if I remember correctly Prince Charles said he was interested by Orthdoxy and had a few kind words about it.

Sadly, "Anglican theology" has long ceased being coherent. Their appropriation of Orthodox trappings is no surprise.

Regardless, many in Modern England, including the Royals have done much for Orthodox refugees, historical sites, preservation of the writings, and so on. I have no patience for traditional Orthodox people so quickly condemning the West.

Nobody here is "condemning the west", but it is an unfortunate fact that Anglican doctrine and theology has degenerated into incoherence in recent decades, to its detriment.

I was going to say this, if I remember correctly Prince Charles said he was interested by Orthdoxy and had a few kind words about it.

Prince Philip was Orthodox before marrying the future Queen, through his being a member of the Greek royal house. Philip's grandmother was of the Romanov imperial family of Russia. Prince Charles has long had an interest in Orthodoxy, though this is not his only religious interest.

Well...what would you describe the Anglican Church as then, if anything?

A country club for the culturally British.

If you call it 'Church of England', it will make a lot more sense.

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It might be more accurate to say the Roman Catholics venerate images, which includes icons, statues, pictures, etc. A lot of Catholic imagery is decorative, but people certainly kiss statues and light candles and incense in front of them. It is also very different among different ethnicities.

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Woe is me, that I have read the commandments, and have become learned in the Scriptures,and have been instructed in Your glories, and yet I have become occupied in shameful things!

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

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Sadly no

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Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

That is very intresting nice album/avatars

Uhh...thanks I guess

Do you have Steam/Myanimelist? If you do I would really like if you PM your links to me. I also need some advice about a thing.

Sadly no

I can however make a Myanimelist account and PM you the link though.

Seriously? You need tomake both accounts. Even steam has free games almost any computer can run. I can tell you more over PM. MAL is a great way to keep track of anime and such and they have forums as well. pls

Whether or not these icons are venerated is another issue all together though.

That is very intresting nice album/avatars

Uhh...thanks I guess

Do you have Steam/Myanimelist? If you do I would really like if you PM your links to me. I also need some advice about a thing.

Sadly no

I can however make a Myanimelist account and PM you the link though.

Seriously? You need tomake both accounts. Even steam has free games almost any computer can run. I can tell you more over PM. MAL is a great way to keep track of anime and such and they have forums as well. pls