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01-24-2014 08:40 PM

Delilah's_Human

Quote:

Originally Posted by middleofnowhere

This.

Read some Pat Miller articles on reactive dogs, read a bunch on positive training, forget your yelling and hitting and laying her down.

I don't hit her for acting out. I yell at her and I'd give a light side ways jerk even on her collar as the strongest 'correction' I use. When I was using the pinning method. when I pinned her I didn't do anything but hold her down, she can react any way she likes at that point and can get up (is rewarded) for being relaxed and allowed to get back up. I don't hit my dog the last slap she received was on the rump for that fight and I slap my hubby's butt harder than I hit her. lol

01-23-2014 01:32 PM

misfits

Another book that really helped me understand my fear-reactive guy was Behaviour Adjustment Training by Grisha Stewart. Still worked with a trainer though, as it helped to have someone else watch my timing with rewards, etc.

01-23-2014 01:20 PM

middleofnowhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Winners

It sounds like you have a nice dog that is having fear based aggression caused by the attack.

No amount of physical corrections will make that fear go away.

If you let go of the idea that you have to use punishment to make the problem go away you will have a far easier time addressing the fear in your dog.

Rewards based training is not something just used for poodles in the circus. Most police, military, sport and competition dogs are trained with rewards, including food and toys. Corrections are kept to a minimum with many trainers.

Delilah needs to learn that she doesn't need to fear dogs, or what you may do to her when another dog is around.

If you can take a step back and except that there are other ways of training that have value, besides compulsion, you have a great chance of working through this with your dog and an experienced trainer.

David Winners

This.

Read some Pat Miller articles on reactive dogs, read a bunch on positive training, forget your yelling and hitting and laying her down.

01-23-2014 12:39 PM

David Winners

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delilah's_Human

We take our walks at 2 am, no leash, no one around. play in the snow, sniff all the pee spots she wants, never a correction. At home she doesnt whine anymore and when she does bark its only for a good reason and she never gets scolded for barking for the right reasons. like the other night the dog on the next floor was barking insistently she gave a growl and a low bark and she didn't get scolded cause I know she was telling him to SHUT UP.

It seems that you are willing to work very hard, far above and beyond what most pet owners are willing to do. I think you should check out some local trainers, without your dog, even if it is at a big box store, and see what they have to offer. If you don't like what you see, buy your dog a little stuffed toy and leave.

Short of that, I would recommend educating yourself to the best of your ability and taking your time.

David Winners

01-23-2014 10:49 AM

Lilie

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Winners

It sounds like you have a nice dog that is having fear based aggression caused by the attack.

No amount of physical corrections will make that fear go away.

If you let go of the idea that you have to use punishment to make the problem go away you will have a far easier time addressing the fear in your dog.

Rewards based training is not something just used for poodles in the circus. Most police, military, sport and competition dogs are trained with rewards, including food and toys. Corrections are kept to a minimum with many trainers.

Delilah needs to learn that she doesn't need to fear dogs, or what you may do to her when another dog is around.

If you can take a step back and except that there are other ways of training that have value, besides compulsion, you have a great chance of working through this with your dog and an experienced trainer.

David Winners

01-23-2014 10:15 AM

Delilah's_Human

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyominggrandma

Not every dog needs to be around other dogs and playing all the time...

Sounds a lot like the Dog Whisperer training, you can see him holding dogs down for other to sniff, walking back and forth in front of barking dogs and correcting when the leashed dog looks at, barks or whatever .
Personally, I think you are making things worse for your dog. She is constantly being picked at, corrected for things and doesn't even seem to get a chance to just go for a walk or just be a dog without you doing your version of training. Take her for a walk alone and just relax without having to be constantly expecting some type of correction for looking at other dogs, barking at other dogs, hackles raised for other dogs. Sounds like she even gets corrected in her home for raising her hackles, whining, etc.

She is a dog, and is not now nor ever will be a perfect machine ..... she is an animal.

We take our walks at 2 am, no leash, no one around. play in the snow, sniff all the pee spots she wants, never a correction. At home she doesnt whine anymore and when she does bark its only for a good reason and she never gets scolded for barking for the right reasons. like the other night the dog on the next floor was barking insistently she gave a growl and a low bark and she didn't get scolded cause I know she was telling him to SHUT UP.

01-23-2014 10:09 AM

my boy diesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyominggrandma

Not every dog needs to be around other dogs and playing all the time...

Sounds a lot like the Dog Whisperer training, you can see him holding dogs down for other to sniff, walking back and forth in front of barking dogs and correcting when the leashed dog looks at, barks or whatever .
Personally, I think you are making things worse for your dog. She is constantly being picked at, corrected for things and doesn't even seem to get a chance to just go for a walk or just be a dog without you doing your version of training. Take her for a walk alone and just relax without having to be constantly expecting some type of correction for looking at other dogs, barking at other dogs, hackles raised for other dogs. Sounds like she even gets corrected in her home for raising her hackles, whining, etc.

She is a dog, and is not now nor ever will be a perfect machine ..... she is an animal.

Agree totally. There's training situations where u can make the situation worse or better with your techniques, you have successfully made her issues worse.
I'd say winners advice of positive training may salvage some but not all this issue. Scolding her for being fearful has to stop immediately :-(

01-23-2014 10:09 AM

Delilah's_Human

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip18

Well you've laid out a perfect example of why many of us "don't go to dog parks".

Your number one jobs is to protect your dog. This dog shouldnít be around other dogs,She's stressed and now feels she has to protect herself because you didnít!

More punishment isnít the answer. You have to decide if your going to continue to push this dog to be around other dogs or give her and your self a break and condition her to ignore other dogs,,,no more dog parks no more doggie friends!

Give up the dog to dog stuff and I think you can fix the damage on your own. If you insist on having a dog park dog...your going to need a qualified trainer!

We have never been to a dog park.

01-23-2014 10:01 AM

shepherdmom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delilah's_Human

This is a dog that never barks. well 8 months ago, my mom brings her dog over who is a socialized dog that has always been well behaved. Delilah has met her before. well the dog came up to her with raised tail and delilah raised her tail and the dog went after her and delilah fought back. I yelled just one word and delilah backed down and came to me. my mom snatched her dog up and reprimanded her. I gave delilah a firm disappointed yelling at and a smack on the rump. The other female avoided delilah. delilah stuck by me and kept an eye on her but otherwise seemed to ignore her.

You FAILED to protect her. Then you yelled at her for protecting herself. Great! Protect her so she doesn't have to protect herself and find an expert to help you get her through this.

01-23-2014 09:48 AM

wyominggrandma

Not every dog needs to be around other dogs and playing all the time...

Sounds a lot like the Dog Whisperer training, you can see him holding dogs down for other to sniff, walking back and forth in front of barking dogs and correcting when the leashed dog looks at, barks or whatever .
Personally, I think you are making things worse for your dog. She is constantly being picked at, corrected for things and doesn't even seem to get a chance to just go for a walk or just be a dog without you doing your version of training. Take her for a walk alone and just relax without having to be constantly expecting some type of correction for looking at other dogs, barking at other dogs, hackles raised for other dogs. Sounds like she even gets corrected in her home for raising her hackles, whining, etc.

She is a dog, and is not now nor ever will be a perfect machine ..... she is an animal.

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