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Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Why do you feel the need to force your personal opinion of intimacy onto others? Why should I or anybody else be beholden to your morality? If I wanted to go to my neighbor's house right now and give her fifty dollars for sex, what business is it of your's? Who are you to stop me, or her for that matter? She wants money, I want sex, we transact, end of story. You do not possess the authority or moral impetus to forcibly deny two adults the opportunity to engage in a mutually consenting transaction. Go home and mind your business.

Riv stated sex wasn't intimate. That was part of her argument in this here debate. Clearly -though she says that, it is intimate. There are rules, agreements, it's reserved, etc. When she said she didn't think sex was intimate, I didn't believe her. And I was right not to, as it turns out.

As far as the rest of it the government does possess the authority to outlaw prostitution. Many laws are based on morality/ethics.

As far as the go home and mind your business- this is a debate board. If you don't desire to debate a topic then don't.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by talloulou

If your sexuality wasn't an intimate part of your relationship then there would be no conditions surrounding it. Do you have rules about who you can make a sandwich for? Which gyno you can see? Whether you can schedule a massage?

I don't think anyone implied that sexuality isn't an intimate part of a relationship. There's a world of difference between making love to someone and ****ing someone. The sex itself isn't inherently sacred or intimate. It's the relationship that I have with my wife that enhances the sex when I'm with her. However, sex all by itself doesn't have some sort of weird inherent importance.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

I don't think anyone implied that sexuality isn't an intimate part of a relationship. There's a world of difference between making love to someone and ****ing someone. The sex itself isn't inherently sacred or intimate. It's the relationship that I have with my wife that enhances the sex when I'm with her. However, sex all by itself doesn't have some sort of weird inherent importance.

Explain the importance behind going to a stranger and paying for sex in an environment where you don't even know if the sex worker is in the position voluntarily or not.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by talloulou

Explain the importance behind going to a stranger and paying for sex in an environment where you don't even know if the sex worker is in the position voluntarily or not.

I personally wouldn't pay for sex. I think that when a person pays for sex they are desperate to have sex with someone who is younger and more attractive or they just have difficulty picking people up. However, while I may not agree with paying for sex personally I have no qualms about others doing it. As for your question, what would lead me to believe that they aren't there voluntarily? If it is a business like the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, what possible reason would I have to believe that those women aren't there voluntarily? This is the USA, not some third world country. Is your opinion of prostitution so low that you refuse to believe that any woman would choose that career voluntarily? I have a friend who used to be a prostitute and was there voluntarily and had absolutely no problems with it. She quit doing it because she got married and got into a different line of work where she didn't need the extra money.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by talloulou

What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?

I would say there are many reasons. Want to try something their partner won't, doesn't want to deal with trying to get it the old fashioned way, or just maybe even the thrill of paying for it. I'm sure there is nothing too significant behind the reasons other than they want to get some and that's how they want it.

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Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by talloulou

If your sexuality wasn't an intimate part of your relationship then there would be no conditions surrounding it. Do you have rules about who you can make a sandwich for? Which gyno you can see? Whether you can schedule a massage?

He's a jealous person in some ways, I respect that to the extent that I can.

If I was making sandwiches for some guy every day, I have a feeling it would bother him. If he was making dinner for some other woman every day, it would bother me. If he was cuddling on the couch with someone, it would bother me. If he was having intimate discussions with another woman on a regular basis, it would bother me. If he was holding hands with another woman, it would bother me.

If he had a one night stand with some stranger, I could deal with it. If we had a threesome with another woman, I'd be fine. If he wants to go to a strip club and stick dollar bills in some stripper's thong, I'm okay with that. If he gets a lapdance, I'm okay with that.

What I could not deal with is an actual intimate relationship with someone else.

The conditions involving sex have little to do with intimacy and everything to do with jealousy, possessiveness, and STD safety.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Originally Posted by talloulou

What is the significance in being able to screw a woman for money?

Having sex without all the bull**** surrounding it. Sometimes you just want to get laid. Many women, however, require that a guy buy her drinks, or dinner, or *something* to "woo" her. In other words, they require payment in a different form. Some guys want to cut through all the bull**** and just get to business. Some women do too. But going to the bar and finding someone of like mind is a crapshoot. Go to a pro, and it's guaranteed.

Originally Posted by talloulou

Riv stated sex wasn't intimate. That was part of her argument in this here debate. Clearly -though she says that, it is intimate. There are rules, agreements, it's reserved, etc. When she said she didn't think sex was intimate, I didn't believe her. And I was right not to, as it turns out.

I said it doesn't have to be intimate. I've had sex countless times when it wasn't intimate. In most cases, it is NOT intimate. It's just sex. If I WANT it to be intimate, then it is. If I don't, then it isn't. Just like watching a movie on the couch. It CAN be intimate, but certainly doesn't have to be.

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Ok so what is the argument for making prostitution legal RIV? You know women will make less money prostituting when it's legal. You know demand will increase. You understand the side effects and the human trafficking that tends to go along with legalization.

Can you really state simultaneously that prostitution is a respectable sexual agreement between two consenting adults while also arguing that the government now needs to get involved in legalizing it, regulating it, and providing safety for the women? Why do the women require safety? Why are they consenting to putting themselves in an unsafe position in the first place?

Re: Selling sex legally in New Zealand

Riv stated sex wasn't intimate. That was part of her argument in this here debate. Clearly -though she says that, it is intimate. There are rules, agreements, it's reserved, etc. When she said she didn't think sex was intimate, I didn't believe her. And I was right not to, as it turns out.

You said sexual intimacy shouldn't be cheapened by monetary transactions. I'm wondering why you think we need the government to maintain the dignity of other people's sexual encounters.

As far as the rest of it the government does possess the authority to outlaw prostitution.

No it doesn't. This is completely wrong. Cite the power-granting clause which confers said authority upon the government.

Many laws are based on morality/ethics.

US law is based upon the Constitution. The Constitution is based upon the theory of natural rights. You're attempting to circumvent natural rights with your morality.

As far as the go home and mind your business- this is a debate board. If you don't desire to debate a topic then don't.

It's a figure of speech. You need not concern yourself with the personal decisions of two consenting adults, nor should you oblige the government to concern itself on your behalf. Like I said, you need to mind your own business and stay out of other people's lives.