1800+ rating Club
StreetSoccer

After Corne (who is almost constantly above 1800), myself and Gerard (both of us only stayed above 1800 a very little while), now Petr Trojek is the 4th I know of that has a rating above 1800... Congrats!

Good things come in pairs! Right after Petr (congratulations!), my good friend tonywu became the 5th player to cross the 1800 boundary. In fact, as of this moment (Feb 25, 1:40pm Boston USA time), his 1808 rating is above corne’s 1806! I dont remember when was the last time corne was NOT at the top of the list!

Today my rating peaked at 1817 before I lost some games again... I even lost 8 points on a game I won 3-2 (well, it was a tie in which I scored the last goal). So Corne, you’re safe again... but one day I WILL overtake you! ;-)

It’s empty now in the 1800+ club house. While 1700+ is nescecary last time for the top-10.My left wing made a blunder that caused a draw and finaly I lost in extra time, what costed ca. 25 points.My games in progress now are 2-1, 2-1, 1-0, 1-0, 2-2, 1-1, 1-1 and 0-0.I want to stay in the top-100. :-)

And after a few lost games in extra time, Petr Trojek took the lead again.I regretted some choices in my games. ‘Normally’ my bad choices turned out to work good. :-)The top-10 within 38 points now. And the top-15 within 53 points.Who will take the lead too?.....

Never mind... I just checked Corne’s rating history and he was over 1875 for a while. So Gerard still has some work to do (he’s 3-1 up against me in the final of August MC so he might score some more points).

thanks Ronald and tony for the congrats. it’s ironic that when i reach 18xx i am ranked 4th, but a few weeks ago i was ranked 1st at only 1775 (IIRC). to me, this means the ratings still fluctuate very wildly for each individual player. right now we have <10 players who have ever reached 18xx, but because of the fluctuations, we probably need a pool of 20+ players who can reach 18xx, before 10 or them would reach it at the same time! so i think we are still far from the day when top 10 requires 18xx — i would be surprised if that happens in 1 year, for example.

in fact, given the amount of luck in streetsoccer, i would not be surprised if the “stable” or “asymptotic” distribution of ratings among all players never reaches the stage when the top 10 are 18xx. thinking more, i suppose it is a function of the total number of players too. so maybe we’ll get to top 10 18xx, not because we play better, but because there are more newbies to beat up on! :)

well, i see that it seems not easy to get 1800+. but rating of top players do increasing. few months ago, you surely get into top 10 with 1700+. but today, you probably need 1730 or even 1740+ for top 10.

Now that we have more than 10 members in the 1800+ club, I propose a contest:

Guess the exact date when, for the first time ever, every top-10 player will have rating 1800 or higher.

My guess: I think it will take about another year. So I’m gonna pick arbitrarily June 7, 2005, which is my birthday. :)

Some approximate statistics that might be relevant:

For almost half a year now, we have added on average 1 or 2 new members to the 1800+ club per month. We need quite a large pool of club members before 10 of us can be above 1800 at the same time. This is especially hard since we beat up each other so often! ;) (Please, no beating up on newbies just to reach the magic date...)

I have not tracked carefully, but the 10th ranked player’s rating seems to have risen by 5-10 points per month. Right now it’s around 1740-1750. By this estimate we will reach 1800 in half to one year, but I am on the pessimistic side.

I’ll make a guess. One important aspect to consider, is not only how many has been above 1800, or how fast the 10th best player is, but how many players have a “high” rating, let’s say above 1650.

The reason for this is that street soccer is such an even game, that playing against a much lower rated opponent is, on average, bad for your rating. At least that’s my guess. Also, these high rated players are the ones with a possibility to reach 1800 soon.

I think that recently, many players have increaced their rating and entered the "high rating"area. This will, according to this hypothesis, lead to all top 10 players having above 1800 in rating too.

Another aspect: Some players (like myself) almost only play in the championship. Thus, when the next championship will start surely will have an influence on when all top 10 players are above 1800.

I guess that sometimes during the next championship, all top 10 players will be above 1800. To pick an arbitrary date, I’ll guess November 6th 2004 – which is MY birthday! :)

I will agree with Marius. Unforunately my birthday is in about two weeks from now (24th of July) so it’s not good for this estimate. In another thread I had conjectured that we will reach 222.222 games by then. Let’s see.

I think it will take a lot longer, at least when there are a lot of players like me: I play a lot of tournaments and I don’t really care about the rating of my opponents. It’s true that playing against low-rated opponents costs a lot in the long run because you will lose a game or two. But I’m not playing to get my rating above 1800, I’m playing to have fun. I’m pretty sure that if I would play to get above 1800 I could accomplish it. I’ve done it already twice... but with my style of playing (meaning: playing a lot) it’s really hard to stay there. Unless you pick your opponents...

I agree, the number of players are important. The more players we have, the more will be above 1800.

But a high GROWTH in the number of players will have a negative effect on the number of players above 1800, I think. This is because these new players with 1500 in rating will “steal” more rating points form the top players than they will give back.

Ofcourse, when the growth stops, we will just have gotten more players, which in turn will give us more players above 1800 – in the long run.

all this statistical speculation very interesting. i.ve justwon a string of games, and my rating has reached 1743. i’d like to know where i stand overall. there are loads of you who obviously do this regularly – how do you see a list of player in rating order?

also, the 10th place has crept up to 1761, which is the highest i can remember (but i dont check very often). when will the entire top 10 be 18xx? by whose birthday will it happen? :) mine, Marius' or tony’s?

After 254 finished games I reached the Top 10 for the first time yesterday. Hurray!!! I already needed 1767 points to get there. A few hours later that score wasn’t even enough for top 10 and I dropped with my 1767 points to 11th place...

The date when every top 10 player needs 1800+ is getting closer and closer. I think it will be december 16 (my birthday)!

yes, the 10th rating has been increasing steadily. however, as of this moment, the top player passenger, with a rating of 1871, is on a self-declared experiment to manipulate the rating. so the top 10 rating is artificially inflated just a tiny bit by him. i hope he will reach 1900 soon so that he will stop his experiment!

for a discussion of his experiment, see his posts (starting 2004-09-22) on this thread: http://www.littlegolem.net/jsp/forum/topic.jsp?forum=100&topic=235

I thought I’d mention that I just hit 1800 for the first time. 3 weeks ago I was struggling around 1575, before I just took off. I wish I knew my secret! http://www.littlegolem.net/jsp/info/player_chart.jsp?gtid=soccer&plid=5290

My birthday has come and gone, and yet (to my knowledge, at least) there has still not been a moment where all top ten players had more than 1800 in rating. Currently seven players are above 1800, and the next three are close. It can’t be long now...

Was in soccer any rating tournament where 4 players are over 1800?? Or maybe it will be a first tournament on level 9?Now are 3 players who register in RT over 1800. We need 4th person with rating over 1800.Who will help and make first tournament in level 9

>Dan Vasilescu (silexu):>I will try a passenger experiment to reach the 1800 club;>I hope I will not disturb you too much.

Dan, you are playing very well. You are winning our game and it was not luck — you definitely deserve to win that game with some very sound play. You’re leading in last few moves and if I equalize it’ll only be because I’m a lucky bastard. :) In short, there is no need for you to “cheat” to enter 1800; you play well enough that it will happen.

I objected to passenger’s experiments back then, and I object to your proposed experiment now, for what my opinion is worth. I dont care that you manipulate your own rating. However, in the process you also manipulate (and artificially inflate) many other players' ratings when you finally finish your experiment. That has implications on several other experiments such as when will all top 10 be 18xx, when will certain other players become 18xx, will they feel well-deserved if they enter 18xx because of your artificial boost, etc.

Moreover, passenger specified a date for his experiment to end. If you dont have a pre-set end date, your experiment is worthless, because it will absolutely definitely happen that you cross 18xx if you cheat long enough — there is nothing to experiment, nothing to test, no challenge, and it will prove nothing. So, if you must do this experiment, please at least set an end date that is very soon.

But back to my original point! Dan, you are playing very well, at least where I can see (i.e. in our game), and you dont need to cheat to enter 1800. Earn it the right way!

Thanks antkam for your words. Actually I am not trying to follow exactly the passenger experiment. I will close most of my games even if I am loosing or winning. I will not close the one where with my move I surelly win. This games will not be too many so not many players will be affected. I put and end date for my experiment the end of this month or earlier if I manage to enter the club earlier.

I want to mention also that I will close the games in the ascending order of opponents rating, so each one will not be affected too much. In plus I will not keep more than two games not closed with the same opponent in order not to affect him/her too much.

here is my solution for establihing true and valid membership in the 1800+ Rating Club.

i think only those should be members of the 1800+ Club who have made it three times, and never fell below 1600 points in between the three occasions of passing the 1800 mark. an added condition is that only those could become members who have already played 100 games.

this solution could filter out manipulations and one-time lucky coincidences and favors long-standing excellent performances.

rules are always arbitrary, and we can negotiate a better arbitrary rule, but this might be a good solution.

(by the way, this rule would disqualify me from membership, which is only fair, as i myself had one lucky run only)

No problem to make the triple->1800 without dropping below 1600. You just have to do the reverse-passenger-move like Nostradamus (first resign all your games you will loose and keep the games you will win in your queue). This will get you above 1800 without the great drop after it. Once you’ve mastered it jumping like crazy over the 1800-mark is no problem...

As it has been said couple times, there is always a room for manipulation, but I do like firenze’s idea because it greatly reduces it. And his sorting out the previous 1800+ club members does show a convincing result.

If Nostradamus stays over 1800 after his manipulation, dropping just below 1800 twice then go back, he deserves to become a club member. But he won too many too early, being eager to pass 1900, so he will not be able to remain over 1600.

congrats, rehakles! as soon as you make 1800 three times without falling under 1600 in between those three occasions, you will become a full member of the club. making it once is easy, staying there is not. i know that well :D

hm, what if I would not drop down below, but stay above? Than the “3times-rule” would not apply – anyway, that will not happen, because some games with the final rolls in progress I will loose in a short time.

well the benefits of full membership include a membership card with discounts on whiskey and cigar consumption, conversations with Mr Phileas Fogg, and the indispensable five o’clock tea.

but see, rehakles, you will go up and down 1800 in no time, just be careful not to drop down below 1600 because then you would lose your temporary membership card and may drink only diet cherry coke :D

Firenze’s suggestion is, I think, that if you drop below 1600 before reaching 1800 three times, you must start counting the 1800 visits again. I don’t think that many people have commented for or against adopting this as the usual definition of the 1800+ club... so I don’t think it has been adopted as such. (I will find if difficult enough to reach 1800 once!)

But firenze qualify my person to players which are very close. But I reach 1800 3 times (twice passing 1800 and once reaching 1800) After that I felt below 1600. So my question is if 1800 qualify or I must pass 1800 every time?

right, although the resolution of the charts are very low, it does seem that you reached exactly 1800 points once in between two peaks above 1800. that makes it three, and you are happily selected as one of the very few who can have a five o’clock tea with Mr Phileas Fogg :D

by the way: watch Nostradamus and Barry in their recent trip to 15-minute stardom, and see if they can make 1800+ three times without dropping below 1600 in the course of their run ...

and yes, we should not forget that Barry from the UK invented the whole thing of manipulating with the score by selecting winning games to finish and putting losing gaes aside. his curve is the craziest, just as his wdp, which is way-way below zero. :D

I have now reached 1879, with no games left to play. I remember someone suggested “no games left to play” as the only “true” time to evaluate your rating (maybe in the “1900+”-thread?). I disagree with that, but nevertheless feel that I now deserve a place in the celebre “1800+ club”.

It’s time for me to claim membership in this distinguished group. My max rating was 1899, but that was a hot streak that was followed by a cold streak. Now at 1833 between competitions, so this is a fair rating.

I’m back in 1800+ rating club, with 1814 right now, but not for long, I guess :( My maximum was 1853. If you play a lot, it’s difficult to stay at this level but I’ll do my best ... and someday I’ll reach 1900+ club :)

No one cares about 1800+ club anymore, since it became a common achievement. Anyway, I’m very proud to have gotten to 1800 (exactly!) for the very first time. Hopefully I’ll be able to sustain myself here and even get a few more elo points.

Hmm, I’ve just noticed that I’m well over 1900 and have been for a while. (Apparently I’ve reached 17th place, but I do have plenty of games on the go and will lose several – no idea if I’ll ever be able to post to the 2000 thread.)