Free Agency 2013

I'm guessing the Chargers probably offered him 2 mil a year. If it were any more he'd probably already have signed. It's possible he still may end up signing if no one else offers more. Although mixed stories are suggesting Dallas is the front runner for his services.

I'm guessing the Chargers probably offered him 2 mil a year. If it were any more he'd probably already have signed. It's possible he still may end up signing if no one else offers more. Although mixed stories are suggesting Dallas is the front runner for his services.

Free agent right tackle Eric Winston says he just wants to be paid a fair wage for a starting offensive lineman, and he’s getting frustrated that no NFL teams are willing to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.​

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Winston said on Sirius XM NFL Radio that he knows he won’t get the kind of money he got last year from the Chiefs, when he signed a four-year, $22 million contract that included a $4 million signing bonus. The Chiefs cut him to avoid paying a $4.9 million base salary for 2013, and now Winston is just hoping some team will pay him more than $3 million in salary this year.​

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“In the $3-4 million range is something that I think is more than fair for a starter who has played pretty well throughout his career,” Winston said.​

“It’s also frustrating in the sense that there are still a lot of teams with money to spend, but it doesn’t seem like anyone wants to spend it,” Winston said.​

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The one right tackle who made good money from a new team this offseason was Gosder Cherilus, who left the Lions for the Colts on a five-year, $35 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus and a fully guaranteed $5.5 million salary this year. Winston laughed when he was asked about the huge contract that Cherilus got, although he declined to say whether he thinks he deserves more money than Cherilus.​

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“No comment on that one,” Winston said.​

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What Winston will comment on is this: If you’re a right tackle and your name is not Gosder Cherilus, the free agent market stinks.​

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This dude is pissing and moaning like a little kid that is made to sit at the dinner table until he eats all of his food. Grow up dude, you are in the NFL making millions of dollars. God guys like this irritate the hell out of me.

yeah but you really wouldnt be surprised if he took over royals spot? royal didnt have a good season last year but then again nobody on our offense did besides danario so i dont blame him... i would be SHOCKED if butler stole royals job as the slot wr

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If anyone's "stealing" Royal's spot it's like going to be Brown bumping Floyd from his starter's spot and M80 seeing action in the slot which he operated out of with success when we ran VJ and Chambers on the wings (though I expect us to rotate our receivers a decent amount this year). Also, where Royal has the leg up on Butler is that Royal has thus far proven in his career to be more effective on bubble-screens and sweeps - which both McCoy and Wiz used with some frequency in their past gigs.

Free agent right tackle Eric Winston says he just wants to be paid a fair wage for a starting offensive lineman, and he’s getting frustrated that no NFL teams are willing to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.

Winston said on Sirius XM NFL Radio that he knows he won’t get the kind of money he got last year from the Chiefs, when he signed a four-year, $22 million contract that included a $4 million signing bonus. The Chiefs cut him to avoid paying a $4.9 million base salary for 2013, and now Winston is just hoping some team will pay him more than $3 million in salary this year.

“In the $3-4 million range is something that I think is more than fair for a starter who has played pretty well throughout his career,” Winston said.

“It’s also frustrating in the sense that there are still a lot of teams with money to spend, but it doesn’t seem like anyone wants to spend it,” Winston said.

The one right tackle who made good money from a new team this offseason was Gosder Cherilus, who left the Lions for the Colts on a five-year, $35 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus and a fully guaranteed $5.5 million salary this year. Winston laughed when he was asked about the huge contract that Cherilus got, although he declined to say whether he thinks he deserves more money than Cherilus.

“No comment on that one,” Winston said.

What Winston will comment on is this: If you’re a right tackle and your name is not Gosder Cherilus, the free agent market stinks.

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What a baby, makes me not even want him here any more.

He has a point, but a ROT is not worth an average salary of $7M a year at all (Gosder Cherilus). I think even Telesco is laughing at his former boss for such a stupid contract. But, I think he is really doing all he can to get rid of Jeromey Clary's over paid contract.

Now, Anthony Davis' contract is the model for other ROT's. He's averaging $6.1M a year but he is also the top ROT in the league. So, I'd say Eric Winston is worth about $2.5-3M a year.

Still, probably the best option for Plan B if we can't get on of the top LT's

Mckinnie and Cooper on the left side look a lot better than 2nd or 3rd round rookie LT and Cooper (rookie)

2 Rookies on the left side is pretty scary

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Well I don't know if I'd start them on both the same side if they were even selected, but Bryant McKinnie is a 1 year rental. He's gonna be 34. The longer we put off LOT as a need, the faster its going to catch up on us. AJ did this way too much, and we don't want a repeat of that.

I still see us taking an OT even if we signed him, keeping that rookie at ROT until he's ready to move to LOT in 2014. I think if we sign another OT to a good chunk of change, most likely means Jeromey Clary is out the door.

McKinnie is the best plan B available. Worst case scenario he's a real one-two year rental while someone we select later in the draft learns his trade and takes over LT eventually. Best case he'd be a hell of an improvement over Jeromey Clary (not saying much I know) with (Insert Tackle here) manning the left side.

An athletic, yet-to-be-drafted rookie could be the Chargers' left tackle in 2013.

Or, perhaps, they'll go the veteran route.

San Diego reached out Wednesday to the representation of Bryant McKinnie, the latest of a "couple general discussions" between the two sides, a source said. The former Ravens left tackle helped key Baltimore's Super Bowl run this past year, starting all four playoff games after working as a reserve in the regular season.

No deal is imminent. No visit to San Diego is planned.

Pursuit of McKinnie, who turns 34 in September, could turn more heated should the team not find a starting left tackle during the April 25-27 draft. The 6-foot-8, 354-pound veteran has started 147 of 164 career games, spending the first nine seasons of his career in Minnesota before two in Baltimore.

McKinnie reportedly battled weight issues in recent years. He is training this offseason in Miami.San Diego has already signed one left tackle, King Dunlap, in free agency. The 6-foot-9 veteran is versatile, able to play at either tackle spot and shift inside to guard, projecting as a top option off the bench.

Well I don't know if I'd start them on both the same side if they were even selected, but Bryant McKinnie is a 1 year rental. He's gonna be 34. The longer we put off LOT as a need, the faster its going to catch up on us. AJ did this way too much, and we don't want a repeat of that.

I still see us taking an OT even if we signed him, keeping that rookie at ROT until he's ready to move to LOT in 2014. I think if we sign another OT to a good chunk of change, most likely means Jeromey Clary is out the door.

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What Ant said, I still see us selecting a LT, just if the top 3 are gone, I'd rather see us take sign McKinnie giving our draftee time to develop

McKinnie is the best plan B available. Worst case scenario he's a real one-two year rental while someone we select later in the draft learns his trade and takes over LT eventually. Best case he'd be a hell of an improvement over Jeromey Clary (not saying much I know) with (Insert Tackle here) manning the left side.

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Good Lord Ant - if McKinnie is the "best plan B available" the NFL is hurting worse than I thought. Ever since reading that story, (Blue put a copy here), I've been hearing the theme from "The Love Boat" rolling through my mind... McKinnie has more violations of team rules and police contact than the NFL should allow IMO. After being cut by the Vikes, and signed by the Ravens just before the 2011 regular season, in 2012 he was fined $30k for failing to show up for training camp - I was just observing to Jackfrosting that he only saw spot play during the regular season last year (he didn't start a single one) but is now trying to cash in and get starter's pay at (almost) 34 because he took all the snaps during their playoff run... Somebody ought ta ask Brett Favre what HIS honest opinion is of "Mount" McKinnie...

I am hoping/praying Telesco and the Chargers are just doing due diligence on this one.. Same for Winston on the right side unless he comes in damn cheap. Both of those guys are trying to cash in on a few games - and I really question whether or not Harbaugh wants McKinnie back unless its a financial "fit" - Fat Andy already cut Winston. Bolts have done enough barrel scraping while paying through the nose, now TT has to reverse that trend and if it takes a couple of years to set the ship aright through the draft with intelligent use of $ for FAs then so be it.

McNeill was only a standout as a rookie (ironically, with two broken hands). Dielman as a HUGE help to McNeill, because he knew he didn't have to worry about being beaten inside with Dielman next to him. The loss of Dielman is what caused the collapse of the O-line.

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Nails post - and never one truer. McNeill simply could NOT handle the inside spin move EVER - and anybody that watched the O-Line knew it was Dielman saving PR's bacon more often than not, (when he wasn't having to cover a Hardwina mistake). Dielman belongs in the Chargers Hall because he had to play 1.5 positions on the offensive line.

Good Lord Ant - if McKinnie is the "best plan B available" the NFL is hurting worse than I thought. Ever since reading that story, (Blue put a copy here), I've been hearing the theme from "The Love Boat" rolling through my mind... McKinnie has more violations of team rules and police contact than the NFL should allow IMO. After being cut by the Vikes, and signed by the Ravens just before the 2011 regular season, in 2012 he was fined $30k for failing to show up for training camp - I was just observing to Jackfrosting that he only saw spot play during the regular season last year (he didn't start a single one) but is now trying to cash in and get starter's pay at (almost) 34 because he took all the snaps during their playoff run... Somebody ought ta ask Brett Favre what HIS honest opinion is of "Mount" McKinnie...

I am hoping/praying Telesco and the Chargers are just doing due diligence on this one.. Same for Winston on the right side unless he comes in damn cheap. Both of those guys are trying to cash in on a few games - and I really question whether or not Harbaugh wants McKinnie back unless its a financial "fit" - Fat Andy already cut Winston. Bolts have done enough barrel scraping while paying through the nose, now TT has to reverse that trend and if it takes a couple of years to set the ship aright through the draft with intelligent use of $ for FAs then so be it.

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McKinnie just won a Super Bowl, he can't be that bad. More troubling is whats our alternative? Starting a kid strait out of Arkansas Pine Bluff? You think Armstead or Watson (who played RT not LT at FSU) can handle Tamba Hali's rip move today?

I would take him on a 1 year deal, tell him he has to compete for the job, and if he wins we can give Armstead or Watson a year to learn the LT position where all the pressure is not on them.

McKinnie just won a Super Bowl, he can't be that bad. More troubling is whats our alternative? Starting a kid strait out of Arkansas Pine Bluff? You think Armstead or Watson (who played RT not LT at FSU) can handle Tamba Hali's rip move today?

I would take him on a 1 year deal, tell him he has to compete for the job, and if he wins we can give Armstead or Watson a year to learn the LT position where all the pressure is not on them.

No, I'm just saying if Mike Harris gives up 1 sack against Tamba Hali, and was an UDFA who saw most of his time at LOG at UCLA then I think a 1st or 2nd rounder could as good as job or even better. Take into account we're playing a more zone scheme too versus man from last year.

McKinnie just won a Super Bowl, he can't be that bad. More troubling is whats our alternative? Starting a kid strait out of Arkansas Pine Bluff? You think Armstead or Watson (who played RT not LT at FSU) can handle Tamba Hali's rip move today?

I would take him on a 1 year deal, tell him he has to compete for the job, and if he wins we can give Armstead or Watson a year to learn the LT position where all the pressure is not on them.

I simply like what Telli is doing, he hasn't entered a panic mode as it seems a rather large measure of Bolt fans have. Harris, a total wash in the minds of many gained a wealth of experience last year in his baptism by fire and came out healthy. You and I don't have to agree on shite. The men in the know have looked over the stock in the stable and are probably already figuring on the team in which to hitch the yoke too.

I simply like what Telli is doing, he hasn't entered a panic mode as it seems a rather large measure of Bolt fans have. Harris, a total wash in the minds of many gained a wealth of experience last year in his baptism by fire and came out healthy. You and I don't have to agree on shite. The men in the know have looked over the stock in the stable and are probably already figuring on the team in which to hitch the yoke too.

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He knows there is a good chance this draft goes sideways on us and he's doing his best to create contingency plans.

I've been saying for a while I think its very likely we don't leave draft weekend with a legitimate future LT prospect, so I am open to a 1 year deal for a guy like McKinnie.

The Chiefs have given the Dolphins permission to negotiate with LT Branden Albert. This will set the wheels in motion quickly. The Chiefs reportedly want a second-round pick for Albert, who is in search of a long-term deal and a home at left tackle. After losing Jake Long to the Rams, the Dolphins appear very interested in accommodating. They have two second-round picks and plenty of money under the cap thanks to the back-loading of their free-agency signings. Albert will take a physical with Miami and begin contract talks.

I know it sounds a bit counterproductive given that we have a need at LOT, but this is still something of a win for us. The Chiefs stay the Chiefs and are effectively still not much more than the pre-Wade Texans or pre-Griffin Redskins. This is a lateral move for them and once again KC will opt for the free agent QB over actually drafting a franchise QB of their own. I think it's been something like 25 years or more since a QB that was actually drafted by the Chiefs led them to a playoff win (2-3 free agent QB's like Green and Montana have, and Grbac might have, but not a single one they've drafted).

At what point can we reclaim the Lamar Hunt Trophy and rename it for a more competent owner? And no, I'm not advocating Spanos in the least for this, but even the Paul Brown Trophy would make more sense

I know it sounds a bit counterproductive given that we have a need at LOT, but this is still something of a win for us. The Chiefs stay the Chiefs and are effectively still not much more than the pre-Wade Texans or pre-Griffin Redskins. This is a lateral move for them and once again KC will opt for the free agent QB over actually drafting a franchise QB of their own. I think it's been something like 25 years or more since a QB that was actually drafted by the Chiefs led them to a playoff win (2-3 free agent QB's like Green and Montana have, and Grbac might have, but not a single one they've drafted).

At what point can we reclaim the Lamar Hunt Trophy and rename it for a more competent owner? And no, I'm not advocating Spanos in the least for this, but even the Paul Brown Trophy would make more sense

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forget about the playoffs, it has been that long since a QB they drafted won even a regular season game,