If there are any ways you can see to maximize my reforging then please let me know.
Also, what do you all think I should buy next with my valor? I was thinking the cloak since the chest will lose me mastery and the cloak is overall better (plus i have an enchant waiting for it in my bank). Note: I doubt my guild will be downing nef any time soon so you can probably forget about getting the valor helm to complement the chest for the set bonus (if i bought the chest that is). I thought about getting Band of Bees too but I am not quite sure if it would matter much between that or the cloak.

I am also unsure as to when I will receive the halfus shoulders either. So far it has not dropped for me, my guild is scared to do any BoT runs, and it is rare that I see a BoT raid needing mdps in trade chat. Feel free to give any ideas though assuming I can obtain those shoulders sometime in the near future though.

If there are any ways you can see to maximize my reforging then please let me know.
Also, what do you all think I should buy next with my valor? I was thinking the cloak since the chest will lose me mastery and the cloak is overall better (plus i have an enchant waiting for it in my bank). Note: I doubt my guild will be downing nef any time soon so you can probably forget about getting the valor helm to complement the chest for the set bonus (if i bought the chest that is). I thought about getting Band of Bees too but I am not quite sure if it would matter much between that or the cloak.

I am also unsure as to when I will receive the halfus shoulders either. So far it has not dropped for me, my guild is scared to do any BoT runs, and it is rare that I see a BoT raid needing mdps in trade chat. Feel free to give any ideas though assuming I can obtain those shoulders sometime in the near future though.

Thanks in advance for the input.

Sorry about the link; I usually just lurk.

About your reforging. You take away the right stats, and you have landed at 8.00% hit and 16 expertise, so it looks perfect at least. www.wowreforge.com is a very good tool for 100% optimized reforging, take a look there and see if there's anything you can improve there.

As you progress in raids you will learn to be extremely annoyed with expertise. It feels like almost every item has it. :P

Your gems are correct, and no slack enchants, so a very big + there. Try to skill up your JC tho.

Spec and glyphs are also top notch. So taken into account your low progress, but still min/maxing your gear etc, I'd give you a 9/10. Would be 10/10 with JC gems

Be gentle :P I just switched from holy ms to ret ms due to the guild needing it. (Raiding 10 man)
I know I'm above exp cap, there's nothing I can do about it right now. I could replace the cloak with the normal version cloak from twilight council, but that cloak is shitty as fuck. Would only replace it with the heroic version, but we havn't rly started working on them on hc yet. Gonna kill Sinestra, Nef and Al'Akir hc first.

And I'm using the tank wrists from Halfus because they are slightly better than the normal ones from Omnotron. Heroic version havn't dropped yet.

Also, take into account that I'm draenei please, I only need 7% hit from gear :>

I did some reforging after viewing some profiles here of paladins that were 13/13 or close to it. (my guild just became 1/13 this week on 25 man so we're a work in progress). I can could reforge my mastery back up to closer to 20. I reforged it down closer to 17 in favor of crit after doing some profile viewing.

I did some reforging after viewing some profiles here of paladins that were 13/13 or close to it. (my guild just became 1/13 this week on 25 man so we're a work in progress). I can could reforge my mastery back up to closer to 20. I reforged it down closer to 17 in favor of crit after doing some profile viewing.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated. =)

well, i'm probably not the one to judge you, as my gear isn't nearly as good as yours...
to say something though, i'm not a fan of Arts of Sacrifice. Isn't THAT useful in PvE imo, but works if you do PvP regulary.

mine: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ilkia/advanced
I hope armory updates again to ret though, just did some healing so im still in holy gear :s dunno how long it takes to update
Edit: now it shows my ret gear. i know my enchants aren't the best ones, but im kinda low on money atm, so can't pay for the expensive ones

@Dmchomerun
Well I do have the Halfus Shoulders I thought it was only better to go with the Halfus Shoulders and 4pc if you had access to Herioc gear, is that not the case? As my guild has decided to not bother with Herioc's I figured that the 5% extra damage on CS from the pvp gloves would better. I also remember that Mastery and Crit go in tandem as any criticals attacks would increase the Mastery portion of your damage.

I did some reforging after viewing some profiles here of paladins that were 13/13 or close to it. (my guild just became 1/13 this week on 25 man so we're a work in progress). I can could reforge my mastery back up to closer to 20. I reforged it down closer to 17 in favor of crit after doing some profile viewing.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated. =)

You shouldn't favor crit over mastery. Mastery is a flat out better stat. Only reason I could see forging off mastery is if you are in BiS gear, and in between 1 point of mastery. Which means reforging away mastery on maybe 1 item wont affect the total %.
And also, rate before posting your own link. Not rating and just posting your link is an unwanted douche move in this thread.

You shouldn't favor crit over mastery. Mastery is a flat out better stat. Only reason I could see forging off mastery is if you are in BiS gear, and in between 1 point of mastery. Which means reforging away mastery on maybe 1 item wont affect the total %.
And also, rate before posting your own link. Not rating and just posting your link is an unwanted douche move in this thread.

Mastery works to the .01%, but does not reflect it in the tooltip. Crit does become better than mastery in certain players gear setupts, but that can be discovered by a spreadsheet.

Gear looks good, I'm not going to plug you into wow-reforge because you are right on hit cap, so I'll assume you did it yourself :P One thing you can do is grab the tanking relic from VP. Since you are over the exp cap by 3, you can reforge the dodge on the tanking relic to crit and still be fine. Even though extra exp isn't "wasted", crit will do better. All in all, 9.5/10.

Besides the Fiery + 36 int shadowmourne and the Yoggy tentacle trinket XD: Your below the hit cap, I'll assume this is fixed when you get your real gear on. But what needs to be fixed is your exp. Your at 15 with GoSoT, it needs to be at 26 with GoSoT. Also, I'm not sure if hte debate was ever decided (I've been slacking on looking up EJ lately), meeting socket bonuses for +10 str might not be optimal. Grab the DPS relic for the expertise form the VP vendor. Don't reforge 50 hit to 50 mastery on your bracers, then get the 50 hit enchant, keep the hit (as long as you are above hit cap) and get it chanted with +50 str. Not to bad, but without your real weapon and first trinket on, I can't really tell if your ratings are right or not. I'll assume you cap hit, but I can't be sure. 6/10

It's not just me, it's ALL rets. Join the ret MS club, get bitches, get money, get nerfed.
It takes idiots to do cool things. That's why they're cool.

With my gear should I use my DKP (my guild uses this system) on a T11 Helm token considering I don't have a 4 set? The engineering helm is very good because you can put in what stats you need so I'd be losing out on a lot of mastery for expertise (a worthless stat unless reforged) and a boatload of haste, and get the 4 set bonus. Do you guys think that will create a dps increase? Plus i'd have to trade out my 372 plated fists for 359 tier gloves so that's a strength loss and a small secondary stat loss probably.

Sol: Gear looks fine, not sure what your exp is with reforging + GoSoT, I'll leave it up to you to make sure that is right. Spec/Glyphs: Take 1 point out of selfless healer and 1 out of acts of sacrifice and put them in E4aE. Personal Preference (and common action) says t take Glyph of DP, as it is a massive life saver in raids.

Chaosblade: You might be able to get to the hit cap without the +hit cogwheel, but that might not be worth the crit gain. Looks good all around though.

Buju: You be prot and holy bro, we can't rate dat shit here :P

It's not just me, it's ALL rets. Join the ret MS club, get bitches, get money, get nerfed.
It takes idiots to do cool things. That's why they're cool.

Your hit rating, it BURNS! the cap is 8%, your at 9.37%, and you have 2 non-reforged hit trinkets. Reforge away from hit on your gear and use www.wow-reforge.com to get your reforging perfect. Also, I do not believe meeting socket bonuses for a +10 str bonus is worth the loss of the +40 gem. Only on +20 or higher (99% positive). Spec and glyphs look good though.

It's not just me, it's ALL rets. Join the ret MS club, get bitches, get money, get nerfed.
It takes idiots to do cool things. That's why they're cool.

@Dmchomerun
Well I do have the Halfus Shoulders I thought it was only better to go with the Halfus Shoulders and 4pc if you had access to Herioc gear, is that not the case? As my guild has decided to not bother with Herioc's I figured that the 5% extra damage on CS from the pvp gloves would better. I also remember that Mastery and Crit go in tandem as any criticals attacks would increase the Mastery portion of your damage.

Again, I am not totally sure about which would be a better combo, maybe some advice from others would be helpful.

The thing I understood from crit/mastery was that mastery is always better considering it is a passive dps increase, and the weight of mastery just ends up being more of a dps increase than crit. I have seen some other Retribution players that have about even haste and crit from gear bonuses because we get stuck with so much haste on high-end gear.

Your hit rating, it BURNS! the cap is 8%, your at 9.37%, and you have 2 non-reforged hit trinkets. Reforge away from hit on your gear and use www.wow-reforge.com to get your reforging perfect. Also, I do not believe meeting socket bonuses for a +10 str bonus is worth the loss of the +40 gem. Only on +20 or higher (99% positive). Spec and glyphs look good though.