What are your thoughts on Fenech then? Don't hear him talked much round here. At his peak world class little fight, great workate, willi to win and heart.

3 weight world champion and should of been four but didnt get the first nelson fight, which probaly ruined him as he was never the same. Most likely the best aussie fighter of all time!

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Silencers

01-05-2010, 11:33 PM

Very good fighter, one of the best pressure fighters I've seen. Great at cutting off the ring and letting his hands go in combination, his hands were quite fragile though, he broke them a few times and he wasn't the biggest puncher anyway with 1 punch so he had to let his workrate, bodywork and intensity wear his opponents down and knock them out for the most part.

mhager91490

01-05-2010, 11:44 PM

A fit and focused Fenech at 118-130 is a tough fight for anyone in history, I would of loved to see him take on Chavez at 130 or Sanchez at 126. I remember when I first watched him the thing I was most impressed with is how skilled defensively he was on the inside, he was excellent at slipping and blocking punches and countering with his own. On the outside he was good defensivley as well but he had a habit of focusing too much on it and not throwing enough punches. He was always fun to watch, everybody knows of his great first fight with Nelson but he had some good ones with McCrory, Zaragoza, Callajes and Mario Martinez. I also enjoyed watching him handle Samart Pakayroon.

One more round

01-06-2010, 07:23 AM

Fenech was not great technically, but he was a pretty good pressure guy, he was always on you and was very intense. He was huge for 118 and 122 and that helped alot. If i was to compare him to anyone today it would be Margarito.

But like a lot of pressure fighters he was never the same once his punch resistance started to leave him.

One more round

01-06-2010, 07:27 AM

A fit and focused Fenech at 118-130 is a tough fight for anyone in history, I would of loved to see him take on Chavez at 130 or Sanchez at 126. I remember when I first watched him the thing I was most impressed with is how skilled defensively he was on the inside, he was excellent at slipping and blocking punches and countering with his own. On the outside he was good defensivley as well but he had a habit of focusing too much on it and not throwing enough punches. He was always fun to watch, everybody knows of his great first fight with Nelson but he had some good ones with McCrory, Zaragoza, Callajes and Mario Martinez. I also enjoyed watching him handle Samart Pakayroon.

Sanchez would have handled Fenech at 126 and stopped him late IMO. Pretty good fight but Sanchez more precise and more intelligent than Fenech.

Chavez vs Fenech at 130, would have beena very good fight, two pressure guys who like to mix it up, I think Chavez had the sturdier chin and was heavier handed and that would be the difference, with Chavez knocking Fenech out late.

HaglerSteelChin

01-06-2010, 07:53 AM

I thought he was also a good trainer. He was involved in the controversial infamous Hussein vs Pacquaio fight. Nedal Hussein was undefeated Super Bantam that was trained by Fenech. In RD4 Hussein KD Pac with a stiff jab. Some thought pinoy judge gave hometown cooking when he did a slow count and than allowed pac to hold on and not seperating them which forced hussein to elbow pac to get him off. Padilla than took a point away giving pac more time to recover. Than eventually there was a premature stoppage. Fenech was angry at what happened in the philippines.

Fenech had wins over Zaragosa, Nelson, and Zarate. He gave a boost to Austrialian boxing and possibly the second greatest austrailian fighter after Tony Mundine.

Bad Boy Dazza

01-06-2010, 08:13 AM

One of the best ever Aussie fighters. And very exciting to watch.

joneback

01-07-2010, 03:41 AM

It is sad two legends are still fighting but at lease it is against one another and not an undefeated young fighter where they could seriously get hurt and humiliated.I'll be surprised if this one actually goes down.

BennyST

01-07-2010, 07:22 AM

What are your thoughts on Fenech then? Don't hear him talked much round here. At his peak world class little fight, great workate, willi to win and heart.

3 weight world champion and should of been four but didnt get the first nelson fight, which probaly ruined him as he was never the same. Most likely the best aussie fighter of all time!

discuss

Yeah man, that Nelson completely ruined him. The moment they announced that decision, his career was over. Having a piece of boxing history as good as being the first undefeated, four division world champion in history is pretty special and in all reality he was. He won the fight easily but got screwed by King. Sad. It destroyed him.

He gets a lot of flack for some reason but he was really a very special fighter. As a pressure fighter he was second to none. He had good head movement and was able to get in very well with it. He wad actually very skilled for a straight up pressure fighter, which is what made him so good. He had fast hands, good combinations, good defense (for a pure offensive machine, he actually had very good defense) and was able to do all the little things that make a pressure fighter great. Cut off the ring quickly, get inside without being hit too much, work the body, counter off shots inside to keep them working inside and also had better outside fighting than most of the guys he fought apart from the very best boxers he faced.

I think he's actually very underrated in historical terms. A lot of it has to do with the fact that his win over Nelson was forgotten because he got screwed in the decision, was then knocked out in the rematch and had become completely shattered as a fighter. It's funny....If he had just lost. Genuinely lost the fight he would have come back even stronger I think, but winning the fight then getting robbed takes something else entirely out of you. He wasn't beaten by his opponent, the only person who meant to beat you, and no matter what he did, and he did everything bar knock him down or out, he would still not have won. Being beaten not by the guy in front of you but by the corruption of boxing, and knowing that you could not have won, is much more devastating than being beaten by your real opponent.

Considering the great era of smaller weight fighters he was in and the class of fighters he beat, he deserves a bit more respect than I think he usually gets as a pressure fighter.

I thought he was also a good trainer. He was involved in the controversial infamous Hussein vs Pacquaio fight. Nedal Hussein was undefeated Super Bantam that was trained by Fenech. In RD4 Hussein KD Pac with a stiff jab. Some thought pinoy judge gave hometown cooking when he did a slow count and than allowed pac to hold on and not seperating them which forced hussein to elbow pac to get him off. Padilla than took a point away giving pac more time to recover. Than eventually there was a premature stoppage. Fenech was angry at what happened in the philippines.

Fenech had wins over Zaragosa, Nelson, and Zarate. He gave a boost to Austrialian boxing and possibly the second greatest austrailian fighter after Tony Mundine.

LOL. Well in the hearts of some austrailians they have Mundine high since he won titles from MW, LHW, Cruiser, and HW- be it national titles. I understand your skepticism. I understand how some fillipinos have Flash Elorde higher or in the same class as Pancho Villa, but some do. As a side note, there is another fighter called Anthony Mundine from Australia and he is currently fighting.

Putting what a fighter has done in the world stage instead of local hype; than i think the best fighters to come out of australia are Fenech and Kostya Tszyu. Although Tszyu was really born in Russia he was trained and came out of the austrailian boxing program.

BennyST

01-07-2010, 09:08 AM

LOL. Well in the hearts of some austrailians they have Mundine high since he won titles from MW, LHW, Cruiser, and HW- be it national titles. I understand your skepticism. I understand how some fillipinos have Flash Elorde higher or in the same class as Pancho Villa, but some do. As a side note, there is another fighter called Anthony Mundine from Australia and he is currently fighting.

Putting what a fighter has done in the world stage instead of local hype; than i think the best fighters to come out of australia are Fenech and Kostya Tszyu. Although Tszyu was really born in Russia he was trained and came out of the austrailian boxing program.

I think Lionel Rose and Johnny Famechon were better than Mundine. Les Darcy too, though of course he didn't have the longevity, but he did a hell of a lot in that short period of time. Jeff Harding. Barry Michael. Guys like Hector Thompson were also as good in my opinion, in fact I think he was better and fought in just as hard, if not harder, era with his only two world titles shots coming against Duran and Cervantes. Then you have Lester Ellis, Rocky Mattioli etc. Lots of guys better, or at least as good in my opinion.

HaglerSteelChin

01-07-2010, 09:54 AM

I think Lionel Rose and Johnny Famechon were better than Mundine. Les Darcy too, though of course he didn't have the longevity, but he did a hell of a lot in that short period of time. Jeff Harding. Barry Michael. Guys like Hector Thompson were also as good in my opinion, in fact I think he was better and fought in just as hard, if not harder, era with his only two world titles shots coming against Duran and Cervantes. Then you have Lester Ellis, Rocky Mattioli etc. Lots of guys better, or at least as good in my opinion.

Well Famechon by beating Fighting Harada rates very high. But he was parisian by birth and the French try to say he was one of their own even if he lived & trained in austraila. Dont know much about thompson but i think he was mainly in the JR WW and WW level and also like Mundine was mostly winning national belts in his country. Darcy was undisputed MW champ so he is among one of the best from austrailia. He died very young and i guess we wont know how much more he would have accomplished? Harding i was going to mention, but i am not sure if cracks top 5. He was LHW champ but it was a brief reign. He had probably too few fights to be very high.

Lionel Rose- cant say i know too much about him other than his win against harada and lost to olivares. He did fight in a strong batam era, so he should also be considered in the list.

If you just go by fighters that came out of the program than Fenech, Tszyu, Darcy and Famechon left pretty strong legacies.

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01-11-2010, 08:28 AM

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buster007

02-22-2010, 11:58 PM

Yeah man, that Nelson completely ruined him. The moment they announced that decision, his career was over. Having a piece of boxing history as good as being the first undefeated, four division world champion in history is pretty special and in all reality he was. He won the fight easily but got screwed by King. Sad. It destroyed him.

He gets a lot of flack for some reason but he was really a very special fighter. As a pressure fighter he was second to none. He had good head movement and was able to get in very well with it. He wad actually very skilled for a straight up pressure fighter, which is what made him so good. He had fast hands, good combinations, good defense (for a pure offensive machine, he actually had very good defense) and was able to do all the little things that make a pressure fighter great. Cut off the ring quickly, get inside without being hit too much, work the body, counter off shots inside to keep them working inside and also had better outside fighting than most of the guys he fought apart from the very best boxers he faced.

I think he's actually very underrated in historical terms. A lot of it has to do with the fact that his win over Nelson was forgotten because he got screwed in the decision, was then knocked out in the rematch and had become completely shattered as a fighter. It's funny....If he had just lost. Genuinely lost the fight he would have come back even stronger I think, but winning the fight then getting robbed takes something else entirely out of you. He wasn't beaten by his opponent, the only person who meant to beat you, and no matter what he did, and he did everything bar knock him down or out, he would still not have won. Being beaten not by the guy in front of you but by the corruption of boxing, and knowing that you could not have won, is much more devastating than being beaten by your real opponent.

Considering the great era of smaller weight fighters he was in and the class of fighters he beat, he deserves a bit more respect than I think he usually gets as a pressure fighter.

if he doesn't get robbed, and if his hands weren't a massive problem he would have achieved even greater things. very underrated because of how his ending tapered out, which was very unfortunate.

could u imagine having to be one of those close to him after he lost that 1st fight. he would have been extremely difficult to deal with surely. anyone that says it is a poor excuse need only look at fenechs need for revenge some ten or more years later in that silly fight no.3. u bet it had eaten at him every day since the fateful night.