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Thursday, October 11, 2012

AMERICAN EMBASSIES ATTACKED IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST - WORDS ON ISRAEL'S HISTORICAL CLAIMS

POSTED RESPONSES TO A COLUMN IN TORONTO'S GLOBE AND MAIL

And a well-earned attack it is.

Abuse and contempt for a people only can go so far before
the people respond.

Unless, that is, you are a country like Israel with a
demonstrated capacity to slaughter those you abuse.

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"JOHN CHUCKMAN
and many other fools, are mistaking the handful of backsliding, non practicing,
moderate 'muslims' that they think they know, for the real thing.

"What makes them
think that such pseudo 'muslims' speak for Islam?"

It doesn't get more fanatical and ignorant than that
comment.

You cannot summarily characterize more than a billion
people.

It is precisely the mindset you display that allowed certain
people in the late 1930s and the 1940s to do what they did to whole groups in
Europe.

Precisely.

Just as it is precisely Mr. Netanyahu's demands and violence
and irrationality that closely parallel those of the German leader in the
Munich Crisis.

Just examine your own beliefs by doing a thought experiment.

If the Muslim people are as awful and hopeless as you
believe, why did the Zionist leaders want to found Israel in the middle of
them?

Surely that renders the leaders stark-raving mad?

And why have several million Europeans and Americans and
others gone there to claim Israeli citizenship?

Seems a wholly irrational, almost suicidal act if Muslims
are as you and several other mad barkers here claim.

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"His real name is
John Phuckedupman"

As soon as people start writing nasty adolescent things like
this man, you know their quality of intellect and ethics, in an instant.

By the way, he does such things using a pseudonym.

A genuine coward.

Like Netanyahu.

Like the creator of the film.

Pathetic.

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"I have a
proposition for all you lefties who hate jews and love islam. After you marry
your boyfriend in the spring, why not spend your honeymoon in the Middle East?
I'm sure they'll be thrilled to have visitors who despise jews as much as they
do."

"Lefties" do not hate Jews.

"Lefties" do not love Islam.

"Lefties" just happen to care about truth and
reason and ethics.

Qualities you clearly are missing.

And qualities you in fact hate them for.

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Again, if you hate Muslims as much as some people commenting
here, it clearly is the most irrational act in the contemporary world to found
a state and live surrounded by a couple of hundred million of the people you
hate.

Kind of like a believing member of the Klu Klux Klan buying
a house in the center of Detroit or on the South Side of Chicago.

Not brave, just irrational.

As far as ancestral homeland, well the world of 2,000 years
ago has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the world today.

Nor should it have.

Otherwise, Rome would still rule Palestine. Greece would
rule Turkey owing to the Trojan War.

So many states ruled Palestine if you go back several
thousand years that you could say Egypt should rule it today or Lebanon (the
Phoenicians) or Iran (Persia), and on and on.

By the way, an idea of long speculation - the actual origin
of Ashkanazi European Jews - has now been demonstrated scientifically through
extensive DNA sampling by researchers at Johns-Hopkins University.

Their origin is not the Hebrew people of Biblical lore but
the Kazahr people who live in the Caucasus one thousand years ago.

The idea has long been a source of speculation - there are
many subtle but not definitive non-DNA bits of evidence - and some of the
Zionist founders were well aware of it.

Now it is demonstrated.

Ancestral claim to Palestine?

Pretty clearly not.

And there is also the idea, with a growing body of evidence,
that it is the Palestinians themselves who are the descendants of the ancient
Hebrews.

The Romans never followed the practice of scattering a whole
people out of a homeland they conquered. They would kill leaders and stubborn
opponents, but those willing to accept the relatively mild yoke of Rome were
always left to be.

Rome even tolerated all religious practices in their
conquered lands, so long as the people were not opposed to Rome.

Of course centuries and centuries of history changed the
religious identity of these descendants of the Hebrews, as it did so many
others in many parts of the ancient world.

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"you think these
countries are the only ones with negative influences in that cess pool you
should add a few of those european countries to your list, espeacially france
and england.'

No, of course not.

Abuse has occurred throughout human history.

Organized Christianity's history of abuse and horrors is
largely behind us, but it was an immense and complex history of horrors.

But these are the people today before our eyes as it were -
a world of television, cell phones, and the Internet.

And I sympathize with the little guy, the victim, always.

And I really tire of the flood of prejudiced and ignorant
statements about a whole people.

For those who want a tale of Christianity's history of
bloodshed, see: