ChameliKaYaarIF-Rockerz

1) though it sounds outdated but why don't we ban alcohol just as we want to ban smoking? isnt alcohol more risky than smoking?

Considering the number of people killed by alcohol vs cigerrettes, smoking is definitely more dengerous. And people do kill others through smoking as a result of second hand smoking and accidental fires. Alcohol cannot be banned. It is baned in Gujarat now...ask any Gujju is they have never seen a drunk.We cannot stop a crime does not mean that we legalize the crime...just one POV....If exceptions do not stay exceptions then make them rule....another POV.....Alcohol itself is not bad... there are studies to prove that alcohol actually helps. Of course every such hypothesis have contradictory results as well. I think what should be banned are activities which are impaired as a result of drinking alcohol... driving as an example. Cops should be empowered with tools, technologies and rights to enforce such bans. Strict punitive measurements should be administered to the violators which sets examples to others who think twice before violating.

2) where are our parents? why are they not teaching God's fear, moral values to their offsprings frm childhood?

Mahatma Gandhi's some was a drunk and is said to have died in a brothel. Does that answer your qustion?Parents are not always answers to all the maladies in the society. They can help to some extent but the entire society is responsible for upkeep of law. In this case, that would translate into citizens reporting the act to respective law enforcement authorities and these authorities being empowered to take action swiftly and timely. What I am saying is that we, as citizens, are responsible for stopping such heinous acts. Let the fear be instilled in the mind of perpetrators that they are being watched.

3) are incidents like these the dark side of our modern, non-religious and liberal society? do we have to accept them as 'inevitable evil' or can we do something about it?

kahaaN maiKhane ka darwaza Ghalib; aur kahaaN waa'iz?

magar hum jaante haiN: kal woh aata tha ke hum nikle

This was written more than 150 years ago...about conservative religious people. (Ghalib actually died the year Mahatma Gandhi was born - or a year earlier than that.) So there..... To some extent yes. These are result of the modernization and "civilification" of the society. Again, if these things (drinking, smoking) are done under certain guidelines, there is nothing wrong with them. The catch is to draw a boundary around such activities so that they do not effect life of other individuals in the society

saregIF-Dazzler

1) though it sounds outdated but why don't we ban alcohol just as we want to ban smoking? isnt alcohol more risky than smoking?

What Prohibition just does is adds to smuggling. Also I lived in a ultra conservative country where people had laboratories at home to make liquor and then the religious police would make off hrs visits to keep a check on people, there is no way to control this,(unless we also put religious police on the road in India, oh that would be so much fun. having Balasaheb Thackeray making house calls)

The solution is If people want to drink liquor, fine, just put laws around drinking and driving, such as measurable blood alcohol limits. Off course it is pretty much impossible to police that in India with the rampant corruption

2) where are our parents? why are they not teaching God's fear, moral values to their offsprings frm childhood?

Actually parents are a very good influence. Parents need to sit down with their children, they should explain the do's-dont's, like if you do drink, catch a cab, we will rather pay for your cab ride than have you sit in jail for the rest of your life, Or drink in your limits, sleeping in your bed is more hygenic than sleeping in the roadside gutter.

Parents just need to understand, It is always better that your child enters the house thru the front door rather than the window

3) are incidents like these the dark side of our modern, non-religious and liberal society? do we have to accept them as 'inevitable evil' or can we do something about it?

If I am not mistaken liquor and smoking has been around in different formats for centuries. It is an individual's choice whether to accept it or not, but we have to learn to live with someone drinking

The solution is not to ban something, it is to understand the problem and deal with it, banning is a easy way out

ChameliKaYaarIF-Rockerz

1) though it sounds outdated but why don't we ban alcohol just as we want to ban smoking? isnt alcohol more risky than smoking?

What Prohibition just does is adds to smuggling. Also I lived in a ultra conservative country where people had laboratories at home to make liquor and then the religious police would make off hrs visits to keep a check on people, there is no way to control this,(unless we also put religious police on the road in India, oh that would be so much fun. having Balasaheb Thackeray making house calls)

The solution is If people want to drink liquor, fine, just put laws around drinking and driving, such as measurable blood alcohol limits. Off course it is pretty much impossible to police that in India with the rampant corruption

2) where are our parents? why are they not teaching God's fear, moral values to their offsprings frm childhood?

Actually parents are a very good influence. Parents need to sit down with their children, they should explain the do's-dont's, like if you do drink, catch a cab, we will rather pay for your cab ride than have you sit in jail for the rest of your life, Or drink in your limits, sleeping in your bed is more hygenic than sleeping in the roadside gutter.

Parents just need to understand, It is always better that your child enters the house thru the front door rather than the window

3) are incidents like these the dark side of our modern, non-religious and liberal society? do we have to accept them as 'inevitable evil' or can we do something about it?

If I am not mistaken liquor and smoking has been around in different formats for centuries. It is an individual's choice whether to accept it or not, but we have to learn to live with someone drinking

The solution is not to ban something, it is to understand the problem and deal with it, banning is a easy way out

Well said Sareg Ji... In addition to everything that you wrote above, it is society whih ultimately will reign in the criminals.. not a batallion of police or lawmakers.. It is us. Why do people in US think twice before drinking and driving.. not because they are scared that the law enforcement agency will catch them but becoz somebody will report them to the Law Enforcement Agency. After all we only have a handful of pairs of eyes monitoring the streets (police) and it cannot be expected of those to watch every citizen..

saregIF-Dazzler

Well said Sareg Ji... In addition to everything that you wrote above, it is society whih ultimately will reign in the criminals.. not a batallion of police or lawmakers.. It is us. Why do people in US think twice before drinking and driving.. not because they are scared that the law enforcement agency will catch them but becoz somebody will report them to the Law Enforcement Agency. After all we only have a handful of pairs of eyes monitoring the streets (police) and it cannot be expected of those to watch every citizen..

Around the thanksgiving/new year period there are a lot of DUI accidents out here. So now they are considering a change such as, if someone is found DUI, they are planning to force that person to install a alcohol detector in the car, if alcohol is detected on the driver, the vehicle automatically shuts off. Not a perfect law, but a start

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