a lot of people were attached the the expanded universe and reject disney. and disney obviously voided the whole expanded universe. and George Lucas himself said to him, the only canon were his six movies. so. who even cares. it's a big mythology with a lot of different contributors and interpretations, but the original three movies is the core of it and they will always be good

I've not seen the new movies.....probably because I haven't seen the old ones. I'm not sure why I never got into Star Wars, but it just didn't click. The fans do seem idiotic but that holds true for the vast majority of fandoms. I mean, check THIS place out.

I feel like I'm supposed to like Star Wars because I like other nerd shit, but I never got into it, either.

Most nerd cultures are cancer. Like, even though I am only now starting to play video games more and trying to appreciate the medium as having just we great a potential as any other, everybody I've met who identifies themselves as a "gamer" has been dreadfully dull.

And I love superhero comics, but so many superhero fans seem borderline illiterate. Instead of judging stories on theme, characterization, etc., they only think it's a good comic if the characters sufficiently resemble the versions the reader first encountered when introduced to the series. It's hard to find communities to discuss superhero comics where most people aren't brain-dead.

I feel like I'm supposed to like Star Wars because I like other nerd shit, but I never got into it, either.

Most nerd cultures are cancer. Like, even though I am only now starting to play video games more and trying to appreciate the medium as having just we great a potential as any other, everybody I've met who identifies themselves as a "gamer" has been dreadfully dull.

And I love superhero comics, but so many superhero fans seem borderline illiterate. Instead of judging stories on theme, characterization, etc., they only think it's a good comic if the characters sufficiently resemble the versions the reader first encountered when introduced to the series. It's hard to find communities to discuss superhero comics where most people aren't brain-dead.

It's kind of amusing and a little sad to watch nerds reveal themselves to be just as toxic as their bullies.

I loved that Last Jedi ran over all of JJ's boring world building/mystery box bullshit, backed up over them and then back again over and over until it all became just a big brown smear.

I never gave a fuck who Rey's parents were and never will.

The whole dynastic element was strong in the original trilogy though, it felt kinda satisfying to me that they would tie new Super Amaze Jedis to the old ones. The Luke/Darth Vader reveal was one of the most powerful reveals of the original trilogy, I felt like a similar parent reveal for Rey would be interesting, even though I guess it was just a cheap imitation of the original.

I suppose having been at the mercy of the guy who made Lost, it probably was better to run over everything.

Killing Snoke was the best thing they did on The Last Jedi (I loved the entire throne room sequence)
everything else was more miss than hit to me.

Though I don't mind what they did with Luke, just thought the execution was awkward. Same with Leia, her space walk scene in concept is sound, but in execution looked weird in a bad way.

The thing I didnít like about the throne room scene was how weirdly easy Snoke was to kill, compared to all of his guards. I found the second half a bit tedious because I was just waiting for it to be finished, now that the main packet of narrative information had been delivered.

I love all the new characters, I just think Last Jedi squandered a lot of their potential

I have not seen Clone Wars but I thought most fans liked it

That wouldnít surprise me, I didnít intentionally watch it either, just saw snippets while my kids watched it on their Kids TV channel, and was sad to see the kind of production values it had. Looking back maybe the reason I am so accepting of the newer films is because this horrible looking TV series had my expectations set very low already.

Same with Leia, her space walk scene in concept is sound, but in execution looked weird in a bad way.

I was prepared for some kind of poignant moment where she was killed off, since Carrie Fisher died I figured it would have to happen. Having her fly back like a telepathic CGI statue was a bit of a tasteless subversion. Also, being able to survive the vacuum of space is too much too ask for my suspense of disbelief.

The whole dynastic element was strong in the original trilogy though, it felt kinda satisfying to me that they would tie new Super Amaze Jedis to the old ones. The Luke/Darth Vader reveal was one of the most powerful reveals of the original trilogy, I felt like a similar parent reveal for Rey would be interesting, even though I guess it was just a cheap imitation of the original.

That's just it. JJ's stuff all felt like a lazy rehash of shit we've seen before. Last Jedi wasn't perfect, but at least it felt different and new.

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I suppose having been at the mercy of the guy who made Lost, it probably was better to run over everything.

being different was not enough to make the last jedi enjoyable for me. the problems with it are just too big, leaving the predictable TFA as the superior film

Abrams' vision of the SW universe was much better regardless of the plot being a rehash, and I had incredibly low expectations for him because I hate his Star Trek movies. The Last Jedi actually felt like they made a movie from fan fiction or something