And justice for all

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 15:46

A Korean-American man was executed for the crime of soliciting a prostitute. The method of execution was unusual. They didn't give him the chair, they didnt' give him a lethal injection. They killed him with neglect and incompetence. It turns out that the man had been a member of a Korean gand and rival gang members killed him. The rival gang members were being held pending a murder trial. They shouldn't have been free to move about the jail, but the corrections officers didn't think it was worth all the trouble of actually doing their jobs.

killer given 18 years (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=00039FF7-492D-1582-80C383027AF1010F)

Jwp-serbu

18-12-2006, 16:23

LA, it's like a third world country.

good reason for the san andras fault to work and carry hollywierd with it and la to the pacific depths

United Guppies

18-12-2006, 16:34

good reason for the san andras fault to work and carry hollywierd with it and la to the pacific depths

*quietly purchases the borders of the states that California borders, and a bit of Mexico that borders California also, so that when California does slide into the ocean, I will be RICH!!!!*

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII

18-12-2006, 16:41

This stuff is the natural consequence of that perverted sense of justice held by everyone who crows about rapists or pedophiles being assaulted in prison.
Solitary confinement and the elimination of public areas would keep everyone safe, and ensure that prison gangs no longer turn the justice system into their own personal hang out.

United Guppies

18-12-2006, 17:05

This stuff is the natural consequence of that perverted sense of justice held by everyone who crows about rapists or pedophiles being assaulted in prison.
Solitary confinement and the elimination of public areas would keep everyone safe, and ensure that prison gangs no longer turn the justice system into their own personal hang out.

Is it true you really ARE 97 years old?

UpwardThrust

18-12-2006, 17:07

This stuff is the natural consequence of that perverted sense of justice held by everyone who crows about rapists or pedophiles being assaulted in prison.
Solitary confinement and the elimination of public areas would keep everyone safe, and ensure that prison gangs no longer turn the justice system into their own personal hang out.

This case seems more like a consequence of lazy or budget orientated people hiring practically slave labor, even when they are not eligible for it.

Greater Trostia

18-12-2006, 17:07

LA, it's like a third world country.

Whatever. One article. One incident of crime in a prison - of all places. I'm sure that in everywhere except Los Angeles, crime - especially violent crime! - NEVER happens in prison!

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 17:08

This stuff is the natural consequence of that perverted sense of justice held by everyone who crows about rapists or pedophiles being assaulted in prison.
Solitary confinement and the elimination of public areas would keep everyone safe, and ensure that prison gangs no longer turn the justice system into their own personal hang out.

I believe we should dip all violent felons of any ilk in liquid nitrogen, and then store them frozen solid until such time that a safe thawing process is invented.

It solves the death penalty thing, because we're banking on the idea that we haven't really killed them by freezing them. It gets them off the streets. It prevents vigilante justice within the prison. It prevents gangs from forming within the prison.

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 17:09

Whatever. One article. One incident of crime in a prison - of all places. I'm sure that in everywhere except Los Angeles, crime - especially violent crime! - NEVER happens in prison!

It's not prison. It's jail. People who are in prison are convicted of felonies. People in jail might be there awaiting trial (still innocent), might be there for having loads of traffic violations, or for not paying fines, or for not paying child support or for committing disorderly persons violation or minor misdemeanors. This guy was there for hiring a prostitute.

Call to power

18-12-2006, 17:12

This guy was there for hiring a prostitute.

you get arrested for hiring a prostitute?

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 17:13

you get arrested for hiring a prostitute?

Yes. In the US, unless you're at specific brothels in Nevada.

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII

18-12-2006, 17:13

This case seems more like a consequence of lazy or budget orientated people hiring practically slave labor, even when they are not eligible for it.
It wouldn't have happened if the system weren't fundamentally flawed, and this crap happens everywhere, so it can't be blamed on the area or on any individuals.

Greater Trostia

18-12-2006, 17:13

It's not prison. It's jail. People who are in prison are convicted of felonies. People in jail might be there awaiting trial (still innocent), might be there for having loads of traffic violations, or for not paying fines, or for not paying child support or for committing disorderly persons violation or minor misdemeanors. This guy was there for hiring a prostitute.

Alright, jail. Same thing as before. This doesn't make LA a third world country.

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 17:13

It wouldn't have happened if the system weren't fundamentally flawed, and this crap happens everywhere, so it can't be blamed on the area or on any individuals.

Magically, since no one can be blamed, nothing will change.

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 17:16

you get arrested for hiring a prostitute?

On a Tuesday in October 2003, Ki Hong entered Men's Central Jail in downtown Los Angeles to serve a five-day sentence for soliciting a prostitute.

I'm actually surprised that LA locks people up for that. You would think they've got real criminals to lock up.

The Infinite Dunes

18-12-2006, 17:18

*quietly purchases the borders of the states that California borders, and a bit of Mexico that borders California also, so that when California does slide into the ocean, I will be RICH!!!!*Your cunning plan will be thwarted by Superman I'm sure.

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 17:20

I'm actually surprised that LA locks people up for that. You would think they've got real criminals to lock up.

Traffic tickets, drunk driving checkpoints, arresting prostitutes, and people who are obviously high are the easy arrests.

Call to power

18-12-2006, 17:20

Solitary confinement and the elimination of public areas would keep everyone safe

just like the good old days bring back the masks and giant hamster wheels! (its not like all those suicides and mental issues where the prisons fault:p )

I'm actually surprised that LA locks people up for that. You would think they've got real criminals to lock up.

I would of thought the police would of taken him to his mothers for her to deal with (watched that on a cop show very funny:D )

H N Fiddlebottoms VIII

18-12-2006, 17:22

Magically, since no one can be blamed, nothing will change.
No, what you mean to say is:
"Magically, since everyone starts blaming scapegoats, nothing will change."
If you don't address the basic flaws in a system that treats its charges like animals whom it can simply drop in a nature preserve and ignore, this shit will keep happening. Prison guards aren't magic, and they're not omniscient, so they're bound to fail on occassion.

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 17:23

Traffic tickets, drunk driving checkpoints, arresting prostitutes, and people who are obviously high are the easy arrests.

In New York I was caught with shrooms and cocaine as well as a large concealed boot knife. The police took the knife away, poured out the drugs onto the pavement and ground them under their foot and let me go. New York has real cops. LA cops are apparently small town prick cops in a big city police force.

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 17:24

No, what you mean to say is:
"Magically, since everyone starts blaming scapegoats, nothing will change."
If you don't address the basic flaws in a system that treats its charges like animals whom it can simply drop in a nature preserve and ignore, this shit will keep happening. Prison guards aren't magic, and they're not omniscient, so they're bound to fail on occassion.

"Hey! Whadda ya know! There's a lion in there!"
"Where?"
"Right there, chewing on the bones of the last guy we threw in there!"

UpwardThrust

18-12-2006, 17:49

It wouldn't have happened if the system weren't fundamentally flawed, and this crap happens everywhere, so it can't be blamed on the area or on any individuals.

Sure it can ... it can be blamed on thoes that did not even follow the current guidelines

Sure the guidelines could be better but if they had even followed the bad guidelines this murder would not have happened

UpwardThrust

18-12-2006, 17:50

No, what you mean to say is:
"Magically, since everyone starts blaming scapegoats, nothing will change."
If you don't address the basic flaws in a system that treats its charges like animals whom it can simply drop in a nature preserve and ignore, this shit will keep happening. Prison guards aren't magic, and they're not omniscient, so they're bound to fail on occassion.

Scape goats? The system may be flawed but even that flawed system would have prevented this particular case

Neesika

18-12-2006, 17:53

It's not prison. It's jail. People who are in prison are convicted of felonies. People in jail might be there awaiting trial (still innocent), might be there for having loads of traffic violations, or for not paying fines, or for not paying child support or for committing disorderly persons violation or minor misdemeanors. This guy was there for hiring a prostitute.

Meh, beatings, even deaths, are not so unusual, even here in Fantastic Canuk Land in our remand centres (by the way, this is the first time I've seen a distinction made between jail and prison). It's always a 'shocker', and no one seems to want to tell us how it could possibly happen...and then a while later they admit that people have been sitting in remand for months, sometimes over a year awaiting trial, and that they are 45% over capacity. Becomes a bit less of a mystery then.

Neesika

18-12-2006, 17:54

In New York I was caught with shrooms and cocaine as well as a large concealed boot knife. The police took the knife away, poured out the drugs onto the pavement and ground them under their foot and let me go. New York has real cops. LA cops are apparently small town prick cops in a big city police force.

Was this pre 9-11? Because I'm sure now they'd have you on suspicion of funding terrorism :p

Riknaht

18-12-2006, 18:06

In New York I was caught with shrooms and cocaine as well as a large concealed boot knife. The police took the knife away, poured out the drugs onto the pavement and ground them under their foot and let me go. New York has real cops. LA cops are apparently small town prick cops in a big city police force.

Man, New Orleans didn't have any cops when I was there. Lucky. I lived in a good neighborhood and we still didn't have any damn cops. Wellm, that did much good anyway. I remember one that did though...

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 18:08

Was this pre 9-11? Because I'm sure now they'd have you on suspicion of funding terrorism :p

I think so. It was a while back. Still, I'm of Italian descent, so one could mistake me for some kind of Arab terrorist.

Riknaht

18-12-2006, 18:11

Anyhow, is the problem that people are dying or being injured before a trial and without any real protection from the people who are supposed to take care of them in the confinement areas?

Okay, that's one hell of a sentence.

Riknaht

18-12-2006, 18:12

I think so. It was a while back. Still, I'm of Italian descent, so one could mistake me for some kind of Arab terrorist.

But then you could make 'em some really good meal or take the cops to olive garden and all would be well.:)

Drunk commies deleted

18-12-2006, 18:14

But then you could make 'em some really good meal or take the cops to olive garden and all would be well.:)

Olive Garden is about as Italian as Kangaroo tail sushi.

Riknaht

18-12-2006, 18:17

This seems heartless, but how can we make these penitentiaries cost less? Humanity, whatever. But I don't like that someone can go screw stuff up and then get fed and sheltered for the rest of his life. There would need to be some distinction between the severities of the crimes, but hey, I'm sure that there are some competent people who can do such.

Riknaht

18-12-2006, 18:18

Olive Garden is about as Italian as Kangaroo tail sushi.

Hey, they always made ME feel like family!:rolleyes:

Yeah, well aware of that.:)

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 18:24

We should have a NS New York meet and greet at Lombardi's Pizzeria in Little Italy.

Probably the best pizza I have ever eaten.

Neesika

18-12-2006, 18:24

This seems heartless, but how can we make these penitentiaries cost less? Humanity, whatever. But I don't like that someone can go screw stuff up and then get fed and sheltered for the rest of his life. There would need to be some distinction between the severities of the crimes, but hey, I'm sure that there are some competent people who can do such.

I guess you missed it too...we're talking about people being held, pending trial...not those who have actually been convicted. If you await trial for life, getting fed and sheltered...well....that's a big problem.

The Nazz

18-12-2006, 18:27

I guess you missed it too...we're talking about people being held, pending trial...not those who have actually been convicted. If you await trial for life, getting fed and sheltered...well....that's a big problem.

If you await trial for life getting fed and sheltered...well....you might be in Guantanamo.

Neesika

18-12-2006, 18:44

If you await trial for life getting fed and sheltered...well....you might be in Guantanamo.

Well, I didn't want to be the first foreigner to say it :D

Eve Online

18-12-2006, 18:46

If you await trial for life getting fed and sheltered...well....you might be in Guantanamo.

Well, Cabrini Green was closed in the mid 1990s...

New alchemy

18-12-2006, 18:58

Personally, I don't even think the man should have been in jail in the first place, because I think it isn't the governments business to regulate sex and what is a vaild reason to have it.