So you think "Chemtrails" are real huh? Here's some debunking for ya!

Whenever I get into an argument with someone about "Chemtrails" they always suggest that the sky looks different now days....that in the past you
never saw large "Chemtrails" criss crossing the sky. I always begged to differ but had no proof.....Well luckily someone else proved it for me.
Check out this site of "Chemtrails" (or as rational people call them...Contrails) going back to the 40's!!! contrailscience.com...

did you know planes used to do cloud seeding with silver oxide over vietnam during the war to create rain to make it extra muddy making travel
difficult for the enemy?, its been going on for years,it was early weather modification, so yes,chem trails are real, the reasons people are talking
about it more now is because they are spraying more, watch "what in the world are they spraying" that should clear some things up for ya

ps: the governmen already admitted they spray crap out of those planes,their official excuse is "sun block" to combat global warming, all lies, its
aluminum oxide and barrium among other things

Of course there have been contrails as long as there have been planes. My question is whether or not those contrails spread out across the sky and
stayed there for hours like "contrails" do today. Of course, your pictures don't show that and so are proof of nothing but the fact that there are
contrails, which we already knew. Find me some time lapse photographs showing those trails spreading out across the sky over the course of an hour and
then you might have something. Right now all you have are pictures of contrails at a moment in time that may or may not have gone away within minutes
of the photo being taken.

I've heard all the theories about chemtrails. I will admit I do think they are different to contrails but the explanation that is winning in my book
is that "Tight Butt" airport operators and fuel suppliers are using several different additives in the Aviation Fuel to "stretch it out" to keep
costs down.

I'm not 100% convinced but that is best explanation so far! Nothing sinister just economics!

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Of course there have been contrails as long as there have been planes. My question is whether or not those contrails spread out across the sky and
stayed there for hours like "contrails" do today. Of course, your pictures don't show that and so are proof of nothing but the fact that there are
contrails, which we already knew. Find me some time lapse photographs showing those trails spreading out across the sky over the course of an hour and
then you might have something. Right now all you have are pictures of contrails at a moment in time that may or may not have gone away within minutes
of the photo being taken.

How long they stay depends on weather conditions.. temperatures, wind speed, air pressure and very largely humidity .. I live near a major airforce
base (across the street!) and not far from a commercial airport .. in colder weather the contrails can last all day, but in other conditions they
don't form at all, or they are gone within 10 minutes or so .. this is not mysterious, it's basic science ..

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Of course there have been contrails as long as there have been planes. My question is whether or not those contrails spread out across the sky and
stayed there for hours like "contrails" do today.

Yes, they did.
Persistent contrails have been around for a long time. For a long time it has been known what they are.

From 1919:

The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream
that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The
pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.

A few months later I witnessed the Battle of Britain taking place over my head in the July, August and September 1940. Being in SE London we had a
grandstand view of the titanic struggle going on day aftr day with the intricate patterns of the contrails the most evident witness to the dog fights
taking place.

Photo taken by Jerry Cole, combat aerialphotographer in the 390th Bomb Group at Framlingham Air Base in England. He is looking for a print from
the original negative he shot around January 1944 or before. It shows contrails of P-47's crossing each other in the background and a B-17 in the
foreground.

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to
40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

Henry Wadsworth Hinkle, hired man down on the farm with Uncle Clarence and Aunt Martha, looked skyward a few days ago and was awed by the
multiplicity of "vapor trails," as he called them. That's the old name. Now they are called contrails-short for condensation trails-resulting from
the condensation of heat flowing from high-flying jet engines.

Often, after several clear days, high flying jets begin leaving condensation trails in the sky. These "contrails" are the result of the
condensation of water vapor that accompanies engine combustion at high altitudes.

Shore was no naïf; he recognized the irony of many of his images. One of the cleverest is "U.S. 97, South of Klamath Falls, Oregon, July 21,
1973," which depicts a desolate spot of road where a billboard displays a snowcapped-mountain scene — against actual mountains in the distance. The
billboard image seems to emerge from the land itself. Along with a cattle gate and a sky with blown-out contrails, the billboard is a tired and shabby
advertisement for America itself.

I'm sorry but are you saying that mainstream science is real. Let me run that by you again you are saying that a bunch of people who's livelyhood
depends on supporting the given paradigm is real. Let's reitirate that one more time you are trying to debunk observation by quoting the party line-
hold on a second.............. hey mary you've got to come and read this!

Originally posted by firecircle
I'm sorry but are you saying that mainstream science is real. Let me run that by you again you are saying that a bunch of people who's livelyhood
depends on supporting the given paradigm is real. Let's reitirate that one more time you are trying to debunk observation by quoting the party line-
hold on a second.............. hey mary you've got to come and read this!

Mainstream? how contrails work has been known since long before most of the people on this board have been alive .. again it's basic principles at
work here, nothing mysterious... but you would of course believe the opposing side of that? reverse the table.. you'd honestly rather believe
baseless ideas with no supporting facts and assumptions derived from visual cues without any investigation or proof? .. good luck with that, let me
know how it works for you.

I saw a PBS show with some hippie "scientists" and a inacurate testing method claiming the aluminum levels were much higher when taken after jets fly
over.... They had a little girl out there taking the tests in pond.... That is the problem with PBS. Anyone with the cash can air their show no
matter how misleading it is. They claimed it wasn't being sprayed but it was in the Jet fuel. Which would not only ruin the engines but clog up the
fuel lines.

I flew on jets for 8 years for a job I used to have. You can see the contrails being made. They are not coming out of the plane... You can watch the
air flow over the wings and out the engines. It is clearly not being sprayed. Not to mention the planes would not be able to fly with that much extra
material in them with passengers and cargo. Not to mention every pilot and flight crew would have to be in on it. Planes do weird things when you
release thousands of pounds of material. The pilot would know if it was going on. Pilots are not government workers so the thought is preposterous
that they are all in on it.

Also if they really sprayed that much aluminum and borium (USA) or strontium and borium (Canada) (funny how it is different in each country) then
there would be inches of it by now everywhere. All the rivers would be completely dead and acidic.

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