In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs.

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

And you know how you can perpetuate the war on drugs forever? Keep voting for democrats or republicans.

Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.

JimBob1015:Drug testing welfare recipients is a silly way to fight a war on drugs.

It is a great way, however, to make sure that welfare recipients aren't spending taxpayer money on drugs.

It's also a great way to spend more taxpayer money on testing than is saved by taking those using drugs off the welfare rolls. Also never figured into the calculation is what do these addicts do when their welfare is cut off? My bet is on something that is of an even greater cost to society.

As far as the article goes, this is why I hate most countries requiring visitors to write down their profession on just about every customs form. Heck, in Tanzania I had to write down engineer next to my name half a dozen times while climbing Kilimanjaro. You'd think above 5000 meters it wouldn't matter any more.

The point of drug testing welfare recipients isn't to stop the drug cartels... It is to make sure welfare recipients aren't blowing their money on drugs. put on a show about fixing an imaginary problem and exploiting society's prejudices while wasting tons of taxpayer dollars.

RembrandtQEinstein:Vote communist, vote constitution, vote libertarian, vote green, vote pirate or guns and dope or raving monster looney, but ffs do NOT vote for D or R. The drug war and its corruption at every level of government is destroying this country and both corporate parties are fiddling while rome burns.

Just because D and R are bad choices doesn't magically make any other your other listed choices better. Heck the Libertarians who are suppose to be the leading edge of drug legalization keeps dropping their panties each time a Republican tenth place runner up gives them a wink and a smile. Saying that the other choices are automatically better is like saying that the Bible must be correct about the creation of the universe because atheists don't have their own explanation.

Cythraul:I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.

If drugs weren't illegal, this would be irrelevant. We should also have cops show up at the houses of people on welfare, to make sure they aren't wasting their money on alcohol. Oh wait, alcohol is legal, so nobody particularly cares.

His point was not very direct, but certainly valid. If it were about the welfare, they would enact stricter regulations regarding what welfare money can actually be spent to acquire. It's not -- it's about funneling money to wealthy donors that operate drug testing companies punishing them for being so damn poor and enforcing drug restrictions that are increasingly irrelevant.

It's also the future of free internet usage if the corporate interests behind SOPA and PIPA get their way. Then the only way you would find content online would be through authorized channels, citizen.

I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

dothemath:The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

I am the Lance Armstrong of welfare doping. I haven't worked in almost a decade and yet I have a nice apartment, a high speed internet connection, and all the happy pills that I can wash down with the liquor of my choice. And if it's one thing guys like me are good at figuring out - it's how to game the system. You cycle your intake right and the cheap ass tests they give don't register shiat.

For every one person that actually needs welfare benefits, there are two dozen of guys like me. Just please keep my man in the oval office! I've got a feeling his first initiative on his second term will be to deeply extend benefits. Believe me - the relationship is mutual.

Elandriel:Cythraul: I don't agree with the practice at all, but the reasoning behind drug testing potential welfare recipients is the idea that they shouldn't be spending welfare checks on drugs, and that people on drugs won't try to find work and get off of welfare. I've never heard a conservative argument for drug testing welfare applicants as an effort to fight drug smuggling, or the 'war on drugs.'

Least, that's my understanding of the whole deal.

If drugs weren't illegal, this would be irrelevant. We should also have cops show up at the houses of people on welfare, to make sure they aren't wasting their money on alcohol. Oh wait, alcohol is legal, so nobody particularly cares.

His point was not very direct, but certainly valid. If it were about the welfare, they would enact stricter regulations regarding what welfare money can actually be spent to acquire. It's not -- it's about funneling money to wealthy donors that operate drug testing companies punishing them for being so damn poor and enforcing drug restrictions that are increasingly irrelevant.

I agree it's more of a 'meta-issue,' but I doubt that most conservatives who argue for their perceived need for drug testing welfare applicants and the greater 'war on drugs' as connected. If drugs were decriminalized, the whole issue would be pointless.

I find it rather ironic that we supposedly live in a free society, but we do not have the right to put into our own bodies whatever substances we choose. It's a moral argument to keep fighting the war on drugs, just as it was a moral argument to enact prohibition.

cgraves67:I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.

Loki009:cgraves67: I'm impressed with the level of ingenuity here, but they are using radios, so they are using radio frequencies. That fact alone means that the US or Mexican government factors can spy on their communications. It's a strength that can be easily turned into a weakness.

Something tells me the reason they are kidnapping engineers from companies like IBM is so that they are employing countermeasures such as encryption to prevent this.

And the US has the NSA, dedicated to foreign cryptoanalysis and SigInt. I can guess who is better at it.

whosits_112:dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

In a thread where the subject is about kidnapping and enslavement it is nice to see that the second statement was about attacking the right

Did I blame Republicans? no, I made a disparaging remark about just how ineffective our efforts really are in the war on drugs. one of our big ideas is to drug test people on welfare. how in the hell is THAT going to stop an organization that is willing and able to kidnap entire tech support teams and build a private radio/cell phone system to help them move their product? we've seen drug smugglers building their own homegrown submarines. And our answer? oh, well we'll drug test poor people...because that'll stop drug smugglers, right?

it's like putting a band aid on cancer. As a nation we are so immensely clueless about what to do regarding illegal drug use that I honestly don't know we can even identify all the things we've done wrong, let alone muster the will to do something smart about the problem(s).

There are too many greedy and power-hungry individuals in government, law enforcement and the corporations who supply them who's whole reason to exist totally depends upon the war on drugs. And since the politicians are beholden to them, it will never stop.

That, and the thoroughly stupid, empty-headed and totally moronic voters who continue to be blindly elect politicians to support their efforts to prevent decriminalization of the drugs in the first place.

stuffy:How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.

That's certainly a less depressing theory than what is almost certainly actually happening, which is that these engineers and technicians are being forced to build these systems at gunpoint and then being dumped in a shallow grave somewhere once they're done.

dothemath:whosits_112: dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.

That is basically the plot to "Clear and Present Danger".

That is basically the speech the President gave in "Clear and Present Danger."

Mitrovarr:stuffy: How can you be so sure these people were kidnapped? With the money the cartels have they may just be getting payed very very well.

Plus all the Hookers and blow you can handle.

That's certainly a less depressing theory than what is almost certainly actually happening, which is that these engineers and technicians are being forced to build these systems at gunpoint and then being dumped in a shallow grave somewhere once they're done.

I'm sure many of those kidnapped techs are part of the headless body dumps that happen regularly in Mexico.

The cartel's aren't stupid. When you get someone to build you something secret, kiiling the architect is the only way to ensure it stays secret.

whosits_112:dothemath: The cartels are basically an insurgency at this point.They are trying to dismantle the government.

Now THIS is an actual threat to America. Not Iran, not (what was) Iraq. This shiat is right across our border, and affecting one of our so-called allies. If they can't get their shiat under control, and they fall, then where will these drug cartels look to next? Further south? Move up north? The sky is the limit for these guys, it seems. I'm all for legalizing some of the drugs we currently have banned (weed, coke, maybe a few others), but I don't know if that will stop them. I think we should at least get the CIA or other covert operatives in there (if they aren't already), find out where these assholes are, and hit them hard: Drone strikes, special ops troops, infiltration. Whatever it takes. Because this shiat is serious and will come to US next.