I started messing around with Final Fantasy 14 the other day... and thus far I hate it. I think about all the years I played World of Warcraft and the awesome story and the intricate boss battles. I was just curious as to what people thought the state of WoW was?

I don't think I could ever be a hardcore raider again as I am now an RN who works 3 twelves a week with on call all the time and night shift.I suppose a morning raiding guild would be interesting? What were some of your guys favorite things about mist. I've cleared all content in game and did some pretty amazing fun, stuff. I did not purchase Mist of Pandaria.

I guess it just depends on why I play the game... I should totally look up the lore. Perhaps with the next expansion.

There is the great Blizzard troll of Challenge Mode 5 mans. Which feature harder 5 mans that are a speed race that favors class stacking. They offer no rewards other than cosmetic stuff so you get one set of people who hate it because it favors class stacking but don't mind the cosmetic stuff and then you have another set of people who hate it because it only awards cosmetic stuff.

Pet Battles are super casual RPS Pokemon clone that offers a lot of play time if you like that game style. On the flip side Pet Battle PvP is an awesome meta game of exploiting comps and finding pets that work well together.

Doing all of the exploration stuff without wowhead cheating would take quite a bit of time as well.

We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.

The raids are good and, while there is a lot of hate towards LFR, personally, I find it quite a good way to experience the content. Just be a tank or healer. (Both for the gameplay and for the shorter queues.)

Also, people say MoP is alt unfriendly and it would be insane to try to keep your alts all raid geared. But keeping half a dozen at the entry standard of the current LFR is rather easy. If you have a bunch of alts, you could get a lot of gameplay out of running them through LFR. Just try not to think about valor capping them - that way lies madness.

If all you want is 9/9 Gold, then you can do it with almost any group setup. I mean, 3 melee dps probably won't work (and if it does it'll be really hard), but if you keep to 2 melee + 1 range oder 1 melee and 2 range you can take any class with you and be done relatively quickly.

Indeed. If you go for top times, then class stacking is really the way to go, but if you go for 9/9, you can do it with most setups.

That doesn't mean all setups, though. 3 melee indeed doesn't work. And it does help to have at least some of the raid buffs available in your 5 man party, so having 3 or 4 of the same class is also not advised.

Classes/specs that don't scale very well with gear (and thus still provide very decent DPS at low gear levels) are still highly recommended, though.

Playing SWTOR these days. Casually as even when I don't have much time to play I can still log in when I let my Sub lapse. Still tanking as a Sith Juggernaut. I cannot get enough tanking. Tried a few times when Wow gave me some free time but I cannot get back into it. Miss where I used to be in the game and the people I played with for ages. Game just feels hollow for me now: It's not the same and neither am I. Have great memories and nostalgia to it, but I'll have to keep it in that spot of things you love but don't look into much anymore. Like old Thundercats episodes.

It's just so hard when I think about how the game has changed since Vanilla. I remember starting off on a warlock and having to banish things and use CC. And then I feel in love with paladin tanking. It sounds pathetic but I miss that game every month and the more I play FF14 the more I miss it. My problem is I could never play casual. I was too hardcore and expected everyone else to be. I mean the game was so easy. All you had to do was read. Players on here practically told you everything you needed. I mean for world first it was a little harder.

I mean I solo tanked heroic ragnaros. Solo tanked Heroic Lich King ( at 30% nerf obviously) and on 10 man. The things I did in that game were deemed impossible and were just so much fun. SO far I really think FF14 has tons of potential. I loved the group set ups with group buffs and such in cataclysm. Also when cataclysm first came out the dungeons were actually hard and what not and it was a lot of fun. Plus I really loved the lore of WoW.

Ugh. My heart literally aches. Yes clearly I"m a homo but that game was such a big part of my life. Also 45 minute baron run most epic thing ever... I would have loved the challenge mode and I"m all about group stacking. My brother just was saying how Monk in FF14 is hard and I said any melee is usually hard and in Wow if you were melee you myswell not even message me for a group because unless you were amazing you were probably just not useful to my group/raid. I remember in TBC if I could have had a raid of nothing but shadowpriest I probably would have. I loved shadowpriest even in Vanilla. ( shadoweave for my warlock!)

My advice? If you miss WoW, just resub. Only thing you have to lose (other than time/money, which is arguably important) is your expectations of how fun it'll be. But your memories won't change. Those glory days will always be the glory days, and if you're lucky, maybe you get to create some new ones as well.

I'm sure there's lots of popcorn-worthy arguments to be had on whether or not the game is too easy now, but it's difficult to dispute that the game has come a long way in terms of complex and interesting fight mechanics.

"Ask stupid questions. Growth is fuelled by desire and innocence. Assess the answer,not the question. Imagine learning throughout your life at the rate of an infant."

Now is a good time to resubscribe and check out the new content, there's a lot there for casual players. I don't think it's worth staying subscribed for more than a few months but that may be because I don't have any friends in-game and I am not in the right kind of guild for a sociable friendly experience.

You will find it difficult to do the gold medal challenge modes because most people aren't interested in doing it and the few that were did it ages ago.

Raiding is also very inaccessible due to the huge gap between LFR gear and catch up epics and actual raid gear. Item level inflation has gone more than a bit crazy. Plus everyone seems to expect you to have the legendary meta gem and cloak.

Well honestly speaking, the legendary gem alone is a stupidly high boost in dmg and healer mana regen, and it doesn't really take long to get it now (prolly less than a month, essentially cockblock being the 3k valor).

Again with the boost, and now being 13 bosses instead of 5 to get runestones from (plus guaranteed from lei shen which is also a recent addition) even getting to the cloak shouldnt get more than a month and a couple weeks.

I'd think it would make sense that if you are to join a serious raiding guild, you are expected to have the cloak or at very least the gem.

If you have a guild who cant even clear normal asking for Legendary, then that's the usual guild asking T6 to clear Kharazan

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:Well honestly speaking, the legendary gem alone is a stupidly high boost in dmg and healer mana regen, and it doesn't really take long to get it now (prolly less than a month, essentially cockblock being the 3k valor).

Again with the boost, and now being 13 bosses instead of 5 to get runestones from (plus guaranteed from lei shen which is also a recent addition) even getting to the cloak shouldnt get more than a month and a couple weeks.

Assuming I get 6 SotE on wednesday it will have taken me 2 months to get the legendary gem and that's with very good luck in drops and proper planning to ensure quest parts overlap perfectly. I hope to have the cloak done in the next 4 resets but I am taking nothing for granted. If someone wants to do heroic modes it's roughly a 3 month slog before any guild will look at them. Given the huge gap between LFR and normal mode gear I don't think any half decent normal mode guilds would look twice at a character like mine either unless they were really desperate. I quite enjoy the legendary acquisition process and it's great that finally any class can get it but combined with item level inflation it has made MOP by far the most unfriendly expansion for newcomers to get into raiding guilds.

Back in DS times, I got taken in a (good) guild that eventually cleared full Cata content when relevant, with my priest in essentially blue and welfare epics and nowhere close to get Dragonwrath, just because my application was so impressive.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Back in DS times, I got taken in a (good) guild that eventually cleared full Cata content when relevant, with my priest in essentially blue and welfare epics and nowhere close to get Dragonwrath, just because my application was so impressive.

Of course and in Sunwell we took a few players in greens (from a guild on the opposite faction that had disbanded because of Muru). There's always possibilities like that if you have the experience, are over 18 and can spell check an application.

I don't think anyone can argue however that the barrier to doing something like that is far greater than it has ever been. The DPS increases from the legendary meta and cloak are massive and when every DPSer has the possibility of having them (as opposed to Dragonwrath which was just a caster item) then that is what is expected of applicants.

So wait there is a legendary gem and a tanking cloak? FF14 has been fun.. but still kind of caca. I'm just now hitting 30 and making Paladin now. I always wanted a legendary tanking shield ( AND I DONT CARE I WANT IT)

I've loved paladins since the burning crusade. I could talk for hours about World of Warcraft especially paladin tanks. Maybe I'll come back during the next expansion. I feel that my experience from Vanilla-Cata should be good enough to account for the gap in experience.

I should start to chat with folk I used to play with and read up on the lore.

Honestly speaking I think at this point the only "barrier" for a returning player is the 3k valor step.It's like, retarded to say "here, you did well so far, now wait 3 weeks before you can do any progress".Was even stupider when it was 6 weeks.

All other steps are very easy now with quest items achievable in the raids of the following tier. It's just that 3 week step.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

The 3k valor isn't the block, thats a measly 2 weeks 1 day (well it could be more if you don't cap your valor, but you are in complete control of that).The block is the raid drops, specifically being able to do most raids in a timely fashion to maximize drops. The raid drops will (on average) take you more than 3 weeks.

Not now. You can complete step 1 within 1 reset (actually with 100% drop in normal and droprate separated, you can if a bit lucky complete it by just running T14 raids, not even needing ToT / SoO).

Then there's step 2 and the 3k valor, which you can't complete in 2 weeks, because in order to complete step 1, you will have already earned some VPs that week, resulting in you having to wait at least 3 full resets, possibly 4 if you are already valor capped the week you complete step 1 (and you likely will be).

For step 3, you now have 12 bosses from ToT and 8 from SoO (totalling 20 bosses, 1 with guaranteed drop), so in normal luck conditions at 25% droprate, you should get it done within 3 resets and have your Legendary Meta.

At this point, it might take with 6 + 8 bosses again at 25% droprate + 1 guaranteed, about 3 weeks again to get the Legendary Cloak.

You say, it's time consuming.

However, if you want to join a serious heroic raiding guild, they are kinda justified for asking you to show them you are actually serious about being competitive by at very least putting that little effort to run LFR every reset (which you would run anyway for loots and VPs). If you don't have the time / will to run LFR and do a little farming now, how can you show them you will do that for progression?

If you are to join a Flex or normal raiding guild that demands you to have legendary cloak, then you probably don't want to join that guild anyway, tbh.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

I resubbed around the second week of august and have been doing LFR every week since then and completed the 3K Valour thing in the most efficient manner possible. If I am lucky I will finish the cloak by the end of the month.

Of course it should be expected of people who have stayed subscribed all year but I don't think it's fair that returning players be locked out of heroic raiding for 3 months if that's what they want to do and have a guild willing to gear them up.

Note Lieris that the buff to droprates and 8 bosses of SoO added are a recent thing. Before that, completing step 3 would take AGES due to low droprates, and step 1 was tedious due to not having 12 bosses in ToT + 8 in SoO extra, and excess sigils dropping instead of the ones you are missing (been at the 20+9 point with an alt myself)

5.4 did a huuuuuge simplification of the questline, literally doubling or tripling the bosses you can get quest items from.

theckhd wrote:Fuck no, we've seen what you do to guilds. Just imagine what you could do to an entire country. Just visiting the US might be enough to make the southern states try to secede again.

halabar wrote:Noo.. you don't realize the problem. Worldie was to negative guild breaking energy like Bolvar is to the Scourge. If Worldie is removed, than someone must pick up that mantle, otherwise that negative guild breaking energy will run rampant, destroying all the servers.

Worldie wrote:Note Lieris that the buff to droprates and 8 bosses of SoO added are a recent thing. Before that, completing step 3 would take AGES due to low droprates, and step 1 was tedious due to not having 12 bosses in ToT + 8 in SoO extra, and excess sigils dropping instead of the ones you are missing (been at the 20+9 point with an alt myself)

5.4 did a huuuuuge simplification of the questline, literally doubling or tripling the bosses you can get quest items from.

I did the sigils under the old system in 3 resets (while also making some headway into the 3K valour in the third reset) so even if I had done it in 5.4 it would have shaved off probably one reset.

I don't think the drop rates have been buffed, you just have more chances to get items and with the Runestones you now have 2 guaranteed a week (3 if you count Raden). While the catch-up system is appreciated you can still get unlucky. Whether the whole thing takes 2, 3 or 4 months isn't up to the player.