When "Zuiko" was "Sir Arthur", He Insisted That SchoolBoys Swim Nude.

Sir Arthur, Dec 10, 2010The Inaugural Post on thread "We Should Mandate That Boys Swim Naked Always!""You are right, boys should be made to swim nude everywhere. Swimming trunks look ridiculous and out of place on boys up to teen age.That's how it was done in the old days, and this custom should be brought back for boys."For reference:http://www.topix.com/forum/education/TVJPLQJQ...

"Isn't that a bit conservative? And why should the genders be separated for swimming, if there are responsible adults to oversee them?Admittedly girls should keep a bit of modesty while boys should be totally nude. It also makes boys behave better and not be so rowdy at pools if they are nude."

Judged: 2 1 1And before Zuiko/Sir Arthur and coyote discovered that they were soul mates:

Dec 2, 2010same thread:

coyote wrote: Erica'-- male or female-- you only refer to boys! That is an escalation to females being primarily a sexual object------- DUMB !

Sir Arthur- grow up !! Could you explain yourself instead of being offensive? Why do you think of it in sexual terms instead of practical terms? That only means you have a dirty mind.You are constantly boasting on these forums that you go to nudist and clothing optional beaches so that you can display yourself naked and see other men and women naked. So aren't you being a bit hypocritical and contradictory

Judged: 1 1 1coyot e wrote: Katie= I think some of our fellow posters have a nip as well. Wondering why Erica wants males to be nude all the time so it becomes the norm ?? I think Sir Arthur's posts are quite credible- I am not a CFNM fellow but possibly CMNF- No E-wing for me and certainly would not know any nonces. Did you get rid of the fur from being unable to manipulate a razor ? There may be a male esthetician interred at the prison you work at- Ha !

Sir Arthur: Very funny that last comment, Coyote, good to have some sense of humour (humor) sometimes. Maybe this is the reason, or one of the reasons, for the double standard in nudity, women are more self-conscious about their bodies.But it's good advice you gave to Katie, maybe she can go to an aesthetician to have her fur shaved if she can't do it herself, since this seems to be the fashion today. And as you suggest, she will probaly get it free from a competent inmate and save some money.

Sir Arthur: "Whether Tookey went to Summerhill school or not, what he describes is exactly what took place at that school. This is amply documented and there is even a documentary about that school from the 70's showing both boys and girls of different ages swimming nude together in that school's pool. It was a very liberal school, and even raised some controversies at the time."

Proof that Zuiko, AS Zuiko, posted Child Pornography--ie, gratuitous photos of young boys entirely nude, which is the definition of child pornography in 2013--but which he denies are pornographic:

Feb 26, 2013 MaltaMon wrote: <quoted text> Jesus Christ! You deny posting the link that you posted just last week to a site that displays photos of boys who are stark naked???!!!??? Are you friggin' serious, ZuikoSomething? The site that we all discussed after you'd posted it on these threads AND which you defended earlier today as "historic" (sic)? You ARE a liar!

Zuiko:

"It is YOU who is a liar and a malicious bast*rd. The link I posted was not photos of naked boys as you claim, but of documented newspaper clippings after YOU asked for proof that it ever happened. After you were shown the proof you came up with this excuse to cover up your defeat and ignorance.And YES, if there are any photos on the same site they are historic photos which are all publicly available on respected photo libraries, including Library of Congress, as I have already explained to you. Which is another sign of your crass ignorance. "

DJW/Zuiko posts his link to child pornography (the Des Moines Register link).. which, for some reason, no longer works. Could it be that the Register doesn't want child porn posted under its venerable and respected name?

Dec 22, 2012

While Maltamon may be sceptical about boys swimming naked in High School the one thing that will make his genitals shrink is the practice of forced nude weigh in's for wrestling that carried on until mid 2010. Maltamon was himself a victim of this practice that occured in his Pennsylvania High School in the 1970's.

Often boys were forced to strip naked one by one while their coach leered on!

Why couldn't they let them keep their underwear on? & for all those forced nudity deniers there is proof!

High schools ban naked weigh-ins for wrestling « on: May 08, 2010, 01:50:42 am »The rationale is correct, in my opinion, but its sad that its come to this, not for the athletes, but just in general.

No more naked weigh-ins in high school wrestling, not in this age of cell-phone cameras and easy access to the Internet.

Among wrestling rules changes approved last week by the National Federation of State High School Associations is that starting next season competitors must weigh in wearing "suitable" undergarments.

That means something covering the buttocks, groin and (in the case of girls) the breasts.

"The concern is technology. We're getting into cell phones getting into weigh-in areas. It's a privacy thing," said Bob Colgate, assistant director of the Indianapolis-based association.

There have been breaches of that privacy.

"There is every year," Colgate said. "If I was in a state association office, I'd rather have someone upset at me that their daughter or son was a tenth of a pound overweight than call and tell me,'Why is their picture on the Internet?' "

With weight classes in wrestling, a tenth of a pound can prevent a wrestler from competing at that weight. That was motivation for some to totally strip.

The previous rule was they could wear "no more" than an undergarment, and there was a rationale for that. Weigh-ins also are when wrestlers undergo checks for skin conditions such as ringworm. It is a total body check of limbs and torsos.

"They didn't want you covering up some kind of communicable skin condition," said Dale Pleimann, chairman of the association's wrestling rules committee.

The new rule is about images spreading on the Internet.

"With cell phones and (video) recordings and pictures and stuff like that, privacy issues were a great concern," Pleimann said. "All it takes is one time. With the ease of putting stuff like that on the Internet, YouTube and all those things, we just felt it's better to make sure that everybody is appropriately covered."

Colgate also said the rule accommodates female doctors and athletic trainers doing skin checks on males and vice versa.

Before last season, the NCAA made a rules change that wrestlers must weigh in wearing briefs, boxers or a competition singlet.

It also cited privacy and the increased number of female athletic trainers, doctors and administrators.

The NCAA had allowed naked weigh-ins. In international freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling outside of the school setting, the rule is that wrestlers must weigh in wearing their competition singlets. That was done at last week's U.S. Open in Cleveland.

Jan 22, 2013 Judged: 2 2 1Katie wrote: <quoted text>To Zuiko hello no not in state schools parents would not allow that.About naked swimming in the UK we have had only one valid case of it happening and that was posted by Sir Arthur about two years ago at the Manchester Grammer scool.The Manchester Grammer School is a public school and i have always stated that if naked swimming ever took place in Britain then i happened in public schools.Sir Arthur proved me right,i think the Manchester Grammer School had naked swimming until 1975 maybe another poster will confirm this-takecare xx.

Zuiko writes:

Hello Katie, how are you, my sweet. Between us I'm your old Sir Arthur. My previous account was either banned or lost. But good to have a word with you again. Busy these days?

An exchange between Coyote and Zuiko. Very edifying, to say the least. Focused, of course, on nudity. Male nudity. With lots and lots of fabricated factoids.

Feb 22, 2013 Judged: 1coyote wrote: <quoted text> Hey Kip- thanx for the misinformation-duh- what is unimformed ? U read the saga of the early Olympics and U will discover sorceress' and prost... were able to attend !!!

Zuiko wrote: largelout is misinformed, as usual. The Olympics were an exception and only held once every 4 years. Meanwhile there were stadiums all across Greece in nearly every town, and later all across the Roman Empire, where nude male athletic events were held regularly and attended by everyone, including female spectators. In fact parents encouraged their daughters to attend so they could pick a future husband from the athletes.The young male athletes were also proud to display themselves naked in front of the female spectators, and even sometimes offered their trophies like garlands won in each event to the girl of their choice among the spectators. But LL is too ignorant and uncultured to know about these things.

Dec 19, 2010 Judged: 1 1 1It seems that this was common in the past in many European countries and in America where in many induction centres for physicals of new recruits these boys were frequently paraded naked in view of female non-medical staff. I have seen several accounts of this, and seems to have been common in the past when there was compulsary draft in the army in most of these countries. It seems to be not so common today when the armies of most of these countries are today voluntary.

Jan 18, 2011 Judged: 1 1 1I think Jean-rene is right about the no consideration of male nudity in Russian and East European institutions. I have seen pictures of young male military inductees standing naked in front of female clerks at their desks during their physicals.I have aslo read accounts of boys in boarding schools in these countries where the staff are mostly female, with female teachers regularly monitoring the boys in the showers, even of teen age. But Idon't think these instances are only confined to Russia, some institutions in America also allow female staff to monitor boys in the showers, as in some juvenile detention centres. It is also common in many male prisons in America for female guards to do the same and monitor male prisoners while they are showering.

AAANNNNDDD... Still MORE from "Sir Arthur" on "Double Standard in Army"

Jan 22, 2011 Judged: 1 1 1Older Jock, was the vice-principal the only female who saw the boys naked? Were there other female teachers or staff who would have seen the boys like that in some situations? What about the boys in the dormotories, did they have any female staff monitoring them? I know that even today there are juvenile detention centres with female staff who even monitor the boys during showers and other activities. There was a recent case about this in court when the boys in one such institution protested about this situation. I don't know if I still can find the link to post it here.

And still more from "Sir Arthur" on "Double Standard in Army". It is very easy to see from these posts where Sir Arthur/Zuiko's true interests lie.

Jan 22, 2011 Judged: 1 1 1Older Jock, I think in anothher post you said that corporal punishment was freely used at the scool, and this is understandable when one considers that it was some sort of penal institution for errant boys, like a remand home really, so discipline had to be strict.What kind of corporal punishment was used, and how was it carried out? Did teachers,including female ones, spank the boys in class too, or was it just the principal and his female assistant who spanked the boys? I imagine with the boys sent there by the courts who slept in the dormitories the discipline would have been more strict with more frequent spankings.And one last question, what were the ages of the boys who were committed there?

(Only the opening of jean-rene's comments follows here because of limited space. But you get Sir Arthur/Zuiko's idea):

Feb 8, 2011

jean-rene of france writes:

"I have read the book about german draftee's physicals since my last message.

I recognize that the process of the exams is not the most appropriate or fair to respect the modesty of the young men because it seems that they are most of the time examined in front of two women, one is a doctor and the other a secretary often younger or even sometimes more than two if there are two secretaries, but the draftees are never naked in a large group as it could be in the past even if they have nevertheless to undress in group into underwears on the opposite of what I thought before being called for the examination alone in the exam room..."

Sir Arthur (Zuiko) replies (unedited):

Feb 8, 2011 Jean-rene, could you post a link to that book? I don'tthink there is anything wrong iif the doctor is a female, or even having a female nurse present, since they are both medical professionals, though having total privacy is always preferable. But having a non-medical female present, as in the case of the female secretary you mention, sounds too fishy for me.Also ,as you say, there were worse situations than this during some draft physicals of young men, even in America in the past, where whole groups of young men were paraded naked or in just underpants in corridors waiting for their medicals in front of clerical women sitting in their office who could see the boys waiting from their office door or window. I did read of such accounts on other forums.

Jan 1, 2011 Judged: 1 1 1Welsh boy wrote: <quoted text>Outdoors was just football / rugby kit and indoors for gym was just white shorts, no top and barefoot.We also had swimming and showers were compulsory after that. We had to take trunks off.Was early 1980s

Sir Arthur writes:

At least you didn't have to swim nude too, as in some other schools. Was it only the PE teacher who saw you nude at the showers or were there other teachers sometimes?But I agree with Coyote, it is ridiculous to take showers in shorts or swimsuit. I have seen this change over the years. Back until the seventies or 80's everyone took showers nude at the public swimming pools I attended, but after that boys especially began to start showering in their swimsuits.

I like to Ben Dover when picking up the soap in the Dart in the Mouth communal shower LOL. Molly

Use one of your own identities, DJW, Zuiko, Sir Arthur, FortySomething, Katie Mellish, or whoever you are today. When you pose as me, posting from Britain, which is clearly impossible for me to do, and mock my beloved alma mater, which I would never do, you just make yourself look sillier and more dishonest than you usually do. Grow up, you sillyvold queer. It is interesting nonetheless that you rush to the unsolicited defense of Zuiko, which, in fact, is you. And you have just rendered that all the more obvious.

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