Even though only .00003 of Americans are shot, it's still valid. Even though 4 times as many die in car crashes, it's still valid. Even though the number of homicide by gun is overstated by 50% (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 … 9-2013.xls ) and no mention of the rest of the murders, it is still valid to a point.

One must be careful with stats as they are often (usually?) badly deformed to "prove a point". For instance, are cops shot by white men in proportion to population? In proportion to the number of contacts with white men?

But I do personally think that gangs are a huge part of the killings. Saw a stat (if I can remember it) that indicated that if we take out Chicago, NYC and 2 other big cities, our murder rates falls to one on the lowest in the world. Not sure at all I believe it, but there is probably at least some truth, and that truth is directly tied to gang activity.

That one's tricky. How many blacks are stopped is irrelevant. How many in the ghetto, compared with how many whites in the ghetto might be a more reasonable comparison, taking into account how many whites and blacks live in or frequent the ghetto. (I think poverty has a good deal to do with crime and violence).

A look at how many (relative to population) are stopped out of the ghetto vs whites might be instructive as well. Along with honest opinions from cops as to why they were stopped - did they not "fit" in the community found? Were there several, casing a store or neighborhood? Were there recent problems reported as being from one race or the other? There are lot of reasons a cop might "randomly" stop someone, and racial bias is only one of them.

One might also look at a comparison as to how blacks that are stopped are gang members vs the same for whites. Bottom line is that it's real easy to just point to more blacks being stopped (relative to population) and declare that it is obvious racism, but there's lots more to it than that.

Except this one isn't made up and contains the sources. That's actually the difference between truth and lies - that you can source the data and that those sources are reliable. I know you can find made-up charts because that's mostly what you base your opinions on. However, I expressed no opinion about this chart. I provided straight data. You're actually saying the data isn't accurate? If so, where's your data?

Do you disagree that lightning kills more people in the U.S. than Islamic terrorists?

p.s. I actually don't care what you think because you can disagree with that statement all you want and you'd be wrong. So, if that's your opinion, it's based on faulty data and logic, which I think is the definition of stupid.

The stat you were referring to was that more deaths happen as a result of hammers than as a result of rifles. However, you can see how easily that gets changed to "hammers kill more people than guns" which is untrue.

And should the wording of the stat that prompted your question, be considered as possibly affecting the number? Does adding "immigrant" to "Islamic Jihadists" mean they are specifically leaving out homegrown Islamic Jihadists attack deaths, and only counted actions of immigrants with jihadist motives? Or is it simply an innocent phrase that includes all Islamic motivated attack deaths - Homegrown and imported?

I had a quick answer for you buddy, but I thought I better make sure it wasn't crap. Turns out my answer was crap, so I won't tell you what it was.

But... I stared and played with this link for ten or fifteen minutes. First hmm... was that I did not see what I expected to see. The second Hmm... was that it seems obvious that developed nations with active and intensive security and intelligence do have less attacks. I know that is stating the obvious, but it seems to justify lots as the answer to your first question.

So bouncing around to the least secure, say... Libya... and your second answer, just for comparison, would probably be hundreds to thousands.

I have no idea if this site is credible. But even if slanted either way, it is interesting to check out; it's an interactive map; 2016 Terrorist Attacks

Yeah. It's kind of like asking what the homicide rate would be without cops...while all actions from our current cops were kept strictly secret. We'll never know - not even the powers that be will ever know just how many lives were saved - and are forced to leave it to our vaunted leaders to ensure that the loss of freedoms and money they have cost us are worth it. Not a pleasant situation, but the one we have.

What the Chart of STATs Clearly Illustrates is the FACT that YES, there is and has been a CRISIS of "DEADLY Violence" here in the USA for decades but it's Definately NOT Related to "Foreign Terrorism" as "Delusional Donald" Trump & LIARs at FOX LOSER Network are DESPERATELY Trying to "Bamboozle" you into believing for Political Purposes ~ ~ Foreign Terrorism does indeed need to be Addressed & President OBAMA & OUR Mighty Military are EFFICIENTLY Degrading & Destroying the Eneny in this Field ~

However, if "Body-COUNT" is the Primary MEASURE of just how DANGEROUS a Threat is to Society, "Foreign Terrorism" would not be considered a PRIORITY ~ JUST the FACTs ~

I've been Talking about the "REAL Crisis" around here for YEARs and it Pertains to "DOMESTIC Murder" Plain & Simple ~ NOT ONLY is "Drumpfy Trump" Mentally ILL & Delusional, but he's Pretty DUMB & SLOW to the Party as well ~ An Extremely DANGEROUS Combination ~

Shouldn't we be less worried about the label and more worried about the reality? Terrorists are in the minority and to seek to label a terrorist group with a word anything other than terrorist seeks to divide. To quote a very old saying 'united we stand, divided we fall' terrorists fit into no group other than their own.

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