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Okay, it looks like I really am the only one who thinks this! Just like I'm the only one who still seems to have a problem with Athena's personality. But oh well.

Anyway, something somewhat relevant: Remember that what Hayate said to Nagi before he ran off to save Athena was 'If I don't do this, I can't move on' or something of the sort, so like.... with that and what just happened, I think HayatexAthena is kinda sunk now. Sorry, guys. :P

People with brains kind of realize that.

Yeah.. I don't see how you can still dislike Athena after "what just happened" was like epic self-sacrifice..

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Okay, it looks like I really am the only one who thinks this! Just like I'm the only one who still seems to have a problem with Athena's personality. But oh well.

You're not the only one who has a problem with it, I support it with you. I have no issue supporting Nagi anymore because of her mental maturity (which seems to be what Hayate is meaning when he talks about preferring older women) while I have a large problem with Athena's actions towards Hayate.

Also find it amusing that Hayate has shown interest in three girls physically. Maria, Hinagiku and Athena. Out of those three, Athena is the only one who prompted such a question, while the others were squicked by the reaction they were causing from Hayate.
Definately seems that she's trying a little hard to make sure she's the one in Hayate's heart.

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Also find it amusing that Hayate has shown interest in three girls physically. Maria, Hinagiku and Athena. Out of those three, Athena is the only one who prompted such a question, while the others were squicked by the reaction they were causing from Hayate.
Definately seems that she's trying a little hard to make sure she's the one in Hayate's heart.

Athena tortured Hayate with swords, made him kissed her, made him sleep on the same bed with her, made him holding her hands while sleeping...But that was the best parts!!!

Yes, that's the reason why Hina still went to the restaurant with Hayate and believed it was a good time to confess knowing he was depressed. She's an angel. For the lack of vocabulary, she was unless and weak to confront with her love-life problems.

Athena tortured Hayate with swords, made him kissed her, made him sleep on the same bed with her, made him holding her hands while sleeping...But that was the best parts!!!

Yes, that's the reason why Hina still went to the restaurant with Hayate and believed it was a good time to confess knowing he was depressed. She's an angel. For the lack of vocabulary, she was unless and weak to confront with her love-life problems.

Um.. don't know what exactly you're talking about, I'm just talking about Hayate noticing them physically. He continually makes comments of how Maria is attractive, he's made Hina uncomfortable with staring at her, he notices Athena's 'growth'.. when she encourages him to notice them.

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Um.. don't know what exactly you're talking about, I'm just talking about Hayate noticing them physically. He continually makes comments of how Maria is attractive, he's made Hina uncomfortable with staring at her, he notices Athena's 'growth'.. when she encourages him to notice them.

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Out of those three, Athena is the only one who prompted such a question, while the others were squicked by the reaction they were causing from Hayate.
Definately seems that she's trying a little hard to make sure she's the one in Hayate's heart.

She can asked such question unlike some weak character who always run away since she was capable of tortured Hayate, forced him to kiss her, forced him to sleep with her and hold her hands, because she wanted to make sure she's in Hayate's heart. Isn't that right?

I believe that the current events were all to conclude his still ongoing promise, and past relationship with her. If she ever returns to Japan (there are still some loose ends to tie up), she'll have a clean start along with the other girls. I think that Hata wanted to make it fair, sort of, so he reset Hayate's love gauge to 0.

Now that Athena is momentarily out of the picture, it's possible for the others to take another chance. Hina still needs to confess, and Ayumu needs to hear an answer from him. She waited long enough, eh?

Though Nagi is still overwhelmingly in the lead, even if Hayate doesn't recognize her as a love interest at the moment. Their relationship may change after they return to Japan. She's still flat as a board, though... and that's not quite Hayate's ideal.. hahaha...

*sigh*

I really wanted to see Nagi comment on Athena's chest, after she heard about their past relationship. Hahaha....

Though Nagi is still overwhelmingly in the lead, even if Hayate doesn't recognize her as a love interest at the moment. Their relationship may change after they return to Japan. She's still flat as a board, though... and that's not quite Hayate's ideal.. hahaha...

*sigh*

I really wanted to see Nagi comment on Athena's chest, after she heard about their past relationship. Hahaha....

Considering his reaction to Hinagiku who's berserk button is that she is (supposedly) 'flat as a board', I fail to see Hayate as the type of guy who sees any value in the size of a girls chest.

It actually gives him a measure of maturity in my book that he doesn't seem to value such, while the world seems to think they should.
Nagi seems to have unfortunate stock in such a belief, but maybe watching Hayate for longer from a different perspective should free her from that misconception.

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I know this is trivial...But...
Bastion, was Hina immature or did she try a little too hard wanted to have Hayate's heart when she tried to enhance her chest in the hot spring arc? Or when she pretended to be a weak girl because she thought Hayate liked them due to her false assumption? Or both?

I know this is trivial...But...
Bastion, was Hina immature or did she try a little too hard wanted to have Hayate's heart when she tried to enhance her chest in the hot spring arc? Or when she pretended to be a weak girl because she thought Hayate liked them due to her false assumption? Or both?

Wasted 1 minute of my life....

No, she was falling to the world's view of what women should be. A part I hope she drops since it falls drastically short of the intelligent person she's purported to be. Along with failing hard to notice that it's when she doesn't act according to what she thinks he likes that she finds herself the center of his attention.

When she acts feminine around everyone, she gets them to convince Hayate to take her out on a date, but reverts to her Bokukko personality while on the date, which he reacts favorably to.
Acting like a frail girl at the beach volleyball match makes him think she's sick, while her anger at being poked about her chest earns her a date.
When she shows up for the date at the beginning of this arc, he stares at her, despite her thinking that she has nothing to stare at.

She's continually been shown that what the world thinks she should be to get a man and what Hayate shows her that he prefers should clue her that she should stop putting on the mask and just let him see her acting normally (as Ayumu does lol) and he'll be putty in her hand.

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Heh? What? Maturity? What's wrong with preferring something else? He likes em bigger, but yeah, I suppose there's nothing wrong with giving that up for the sake of love, if that's what you're intending to say~

Umm.. I'll add that even if she acted normally, she'd still have to be direct with him, cuz he's an airhead (of sorts). But then again, it's hard to act normally around the person you love...

As you must have already realized, I don't really trust the TVtrope regarding accurate information. Lol

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No, she was falling to the world's view of what women should be. A part I hope she drops since it falls drastically short of the intelligent person she's purported to be. Along with failing hard to notice that it's when she doesn't act according to what she thinks he likes that she finds herself the center of his attention.

Don't you mean "she was falling to the world's view of what women should be" after she realized she loves Hayate. It was obvious that she was concerned about her body structure because of what she thinks the blue-haired boy like.

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When she acts feminine around everyone, she gets them to convince Hayate to take her out on a date, but reverts to her Bokukko personality while on the date, which he reacts favorably to.
Acting like a frail girl at the beach volleyball match makes him think she's sick, while her anger at being poked about her chest earns her a date.
When she shows up for the date at the beginning of this arc, he stares at her, despite her thinking that she has nothing to stare at.

Wonder how you could have missed it with your love for Hina, perhaps it's because of too much love?

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She's continually been shown that what the world thinks she should be to get a man and what Hayate shows her that he prefers should clue her that she should stop putting on the mask and just let him see her acting normally (as Ayumu does lol) and he'll be putty in her hand.

Uhhh.....I don't really want to get into what you think about Hina without sufficient facts.

All it says was that she was delusional in believing acting like a frail girl will make Hayate falls for her. And/or she believed that Hayate needed to be saved so she should kick that guys ass which she did because he insulted her chest size. I don't see the different Bastion-kun.

All it says was that she was delusional in believing acting like a frail girl will make Hayate falls for her. And/or she believed that Hayate needed to be saved so she should kick that guys ass which she did because he insulted her chest size. I don't see the different Bastion-kun.

>.> Stupid machine linked the wrong page. Try looking at pg 15. Hayate says that he should have seen that Hinagiku wasn't feeling well.

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>.> Stupid machine linked the wrong page. Try looking at pg 15. Hayate says that he should have seen that Hinagiku wasn't feeling well.

There is still no different, Bastion-kun. She was acting as a frail girl believing it will make Hayate likes her, but Hayate believed she wasn't feeling well since she is a strong,hyperactive, monster girl in his eyes.

This makes her both immature and try a little hard to make sure she has Hayate's heart according to your logic. Right?

Edit: Like I said on MF, don't use the "only with negative tone" regarding Athena so easily...^.^

There is still no different, Bastion-kun. She was acting as a frail girl believing it will make Hayate likes her, but Hayate believed she wasn't feeling well since she is a a strong and hyperactive girl, a monster, in his eyes.

Given how the entire point of my argument was that what she thinks will get his attention, by the world's view, is pulling the exact opposite. And she gets rewarded when she acts normally.

Acting like a frail girl doesn't get her the attention she wants, while acting strong, like she normally is, rewards her.

Acting 'girly-girl' gets her the first date, but he's coerced into it, while acting strong during it gets her positive attention.
Acting frail gets her negative attention, when she acts strong she gets rewarded by being granted another date.
Looking nice without positive reinforcement earns her his gaze to uncomfortable degrees.

All things the world would want to tell her shouldn't get her attention is getting her closer.
I'd bet that once she shows him that she was the hero that helped him will be gaining her more points where the story is currently.

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Given how the entire point of my argument was that what she thinks will get his attention, by the world's view, is pulling the exact opposite. And she gets rewarded when she acts normally.

Acting like a frail girl doesn't get her the attention she wants, while acting strong, like she normally is, rewards her.

Acting 'girly-girl' gets her the first date, but he's coerced into it, while acting strong during it gets her positive attention.
Acting frail gets her negative attention, when she acts strong she gets rewarded by being granted another date.
Looking nice without positive reinforcement earns her his gaze to uncomfortable degrees.

All things the world would want to tell her shouldn't get her attention is getting her closer.
I'd bet that once she shows him that she was the hero that helped him will be gaining her more points where the story is currently.

I'm not here to argue the world's view or what she or you think the world want her to do according to your perspective. Or what you think it's the better or worst outcome because of how she acted. It's meaningless and will go on forever and forever, and I'm not at all interested in speaking about Hina.

I'm here to give evidences on how Hina acted according to the logic that you have been given negatively only toward Athena. That's all, Bastion-kun.

There is still no different, Bastion-kun. She was acting as a frail girl believing it will make Hayate likes her, but Hayate believed she wasn't feeling well since she is a strong,hyperactive, monster girl in his eyes.