The Green party aren't perfect but they're the most democratic party in England with members deciding on policies, and a principle of making those policies evidence-based as far as possible, and publicly publishing the polices so everyone can see what they stand for, - they've got reams of it here. They also have a pretty solid philosophical basis for fair social needs and ecological needs, - ultimately everything comes back to the concept of sustainability. There are still a number of loveable ageing hippies in the party but I think the realities of more efficient high-tech solutions won through more than a decade ago. From economics, and robotics to social development - the party is more futurist than anything else. They're the only party focusing on ensuring there is a future.

But frankly, while I admire the efforts of everyone supporting the Green party (and I've done my share at times), I'm pretty sick of politics in general. It's so full of people who either don't have a clue what they're talking about or are happy to lie for their own ends. It's difficult to find the energy to keep fighting the good fight.

[Disclaimer - if this is comes across like I think I know what I'm talking about, I want to make it clear that I don't. I'm just trying to get my thoughts down]

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The Green Party believes that our economy should be innovative, collaborative, forward facing and for the benefit of communities and the environment.The economy is all of us: our work, our creativity, what we buy, how we spend our time. It should allow us to lead happy and fulfilled lives. A Green economy would replace the exploitation of people and resources with decent, meaningful work. It would create over 1 million jobs through our programme of green investment and restoring the public sector.Our policies:

Take steps towards the introduction of a universal basic income, including a government sponsored pilot scheme, as a means to increase security and avoid the poverty trap.

Phase in a 4 day working week (a maximum of 35 hours) and abolish exploitative zero hours contracts.

Reduce the gap between the highest and lowest paid, and increase the minimum wage to reach a genuine living wage of £10 an hour by 2020.

End the gender pay gap, and require a minimum 40% of all members of public company and public sector boards to be women.

Use the government-owned Royal Bank of Scotland to create a network of local people’s banks for every city and region, obliged to lend locally and provide cheap basic banking services.

Ensure that everyone pays their fair share of tax and there is a crackdown on tax dodging.

Reform taxation to include a wealth tax on the top 1% of earners, investing in more staff at HMRC so they can work more effectively, and reinstate the higher level of corporation tax for large businesses.

A Robin Hood tax on high value transactions in the finance sector, and inheritance taxed according to the wealth of the recipient.

A phased in abolition of the cap on employees’ national insurance so that the wealthiest pay more.

Support and promote small businesses, co-operatives and mutuals, and the roll out of high speed broadband.

Support start-ups and creative enterprises through community credit and green investment, to provide opportunities for young people to be creative and innovative.

Other sections: Environment; The EU; NHS & Public Services; Education; Young People Promise; Housing; A Safer World; PR voting; Transport.Looks interesting. I'll read it more thoroughly later. I might even turn Green...

Lots of sensible promises - but the 'devil is in the detail'.

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Caves make sense in some parts of the world, like Cappadocia and Coober Pedy. And Svarty's town...

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Alan B wrote:Lots of sensible promises - but the 'devil is in the detail'.

It does seem light on details this year if that's all they're putting out, more like the mini-manifesto of 2015 linked to in the OP. I don't know if that's intentional - because nobody's going to read all the details anyway and most of the other parties don't bother either - or if it's because with a snap election they thought it was better to get something out with a broad picture and easily digestible pledges rather than wasting time on the details. Either way, if you want lots of details a lot will still be pretty much the same as 2015 - here's their full 80+ page with all the details and financial appendix manifesto from 2015.

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I hadn't looked at their 2015 one. That's a much better effort but as you suggested the 2017 one could be just a 'repeat'. Not much will have changed in the last two years, I suspect.

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