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Agreed. That 8th seeded team Harden brought to the playoffs his first year (yes, his first year) I think only KD and definitely LeBron could have takn to the playoffs. Curry, WB, Kawee no way.

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I don't agree on KD. I could be wrong. Again my point isn't about individual skill. KD is definitely up there with harden but overall package I think only LeBron and Harden can boost a trash team to playoff team. I don't think replacing Harden for Curry would make Warriors better but I would build around Harden over Curry any day.

I don't agree on KD. I could be wrong. Again my point isn't about individual skill. KD is definitely up there with harden but overall package I think only LeBron and Harden can boost a trash team to playoff team. I don't think replacing Harden for Curry would make Warriors better but I would build around Harden any day.

Harden has done nothing but underachieve in Houston. And you know it. And Dame was all NBA 2nd team in 2016. Harden didn't even make 3rd team.

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His career isn't over. To be fair, neither is Dame's or CJ's, but up until this point, Harden has done more than both those guys, individually. Whether either has lived up to their billing is a heavy reflection (although not sole) on the initial expectations rather than player comparability.

Your debate style is what I like to refer to as "any port in the storm" argumentation. You grasp at loosely veiled melo-to-portland conjecture from rando journalists. Your defense of your players is highly flawed, based on a number of assumptions of the past representing the future, and you don't seem to understand how to break down advanced statistics. Instead, you opt for the most basic and blended statistical numbers and using them as tea leaves without any consideration to our offseason adjustments or what truly drives those numbers.

Sure, after trading for Nurkic, yalls defense and offense improved from a -2 net rating (nba.com) to 4.5 (this is not a number weighed down by the beginning of the season without nurk either. This was based on the games he played in), but the Rox were 6.5 all season. Our net scoring differential was 6.1 to your 3.5 in the Nurkic/Portland era. We were better than your Nurkic team before we made any improvements in the offseason.

You also got taken to the shed by Milwaukee, Detroit and New Orleans. All cases you had Nurk. So if your win against us is evidence of your dominance, then those three losses must also be evidence that ya'll suck something awful. Again, only according to your logical train. I do not think that way so I don't necessarily believe either statement, but you do.

first did I say Cp3 quit far worse? I said if y'all Harden quit then CP3 is not any better

and you never responded to my last post on the Cp3 thread after you said the Rockets are better than the Spurs

because truth is the Rockets with an inferior cast around Harden lost to a vastly superior team with HCA, 6 more wins, 3-1 head to head record, multiple stars, with coach Pop in the 2nd round

while Clips with a superior cast around CP3 with HCA simply lost to a younger inexperieced team in the 1st round

lets make it simple for you and El Gnomo

I prolly rank Harden 2nd or 3rd with KD (if KD was so great why can't he win with WB and go join up with a super team)

but I understand if posters rank harden above lebron

because if rockets traded harden for lebron last year

Lebron James (without other stars like DWade, Bosh, Kyrie, and Love) for sure can't carry the rockets to to 2nd seed past the spurs being in the west

and he can't by have himself beaten the 2nd seeded Spurs with a supporting cast who scored 10 points less in the playoffs as compared to the regular season. that means Lebron would have to score at least 10 more points in the playoffs compared to the regular season

while harden, kyrie, love, jr, thompson, shumpert won't do any worse than 2nd seed in the f*n east?

I don't agree on KD. I could be wrong. Again my point isn't about individual skill. KD is definitely up there with harden but overall package I think only LeBron and Harden can boost a trash team to playoff team. I don't think replacing Harden for Curry would make Warriors better but I would build around Harden over Curry any day.

Not sure if that makes sense.

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It makes sense. But I think KD can lead trash. We haven't seen him in that position, but I think he can.

The difference between Harden, then Bron compared to the rest of the guys is that they make below average look average to above average. Westbrook, Curry, Kawee definitely do not. Paul doesn't either, except for lob catching centers. He's an incredibly manipulative micromanager.

Since this is projection on the upcoming season and since I've steadfastedly claimed this year will be hardens absolute peak at age 28 (before we got cp3 mind you). This year from the beard was going to be magical. Finally having another elite talent next to him, and it may be the single best season of all time.

The last three a toss up for personally. I put Curry first bc his shot is unstoppable. I know his defense/play-making is lacking although still great but that automatic shot makes up for a lot (not all) of it. They've come back from down double digits due to his shooting ability alone multiple times. Harden led a nothing team to 3rd seed and second round, that's why he's above WB for me. Harden and WB each had similar teams (for the most part) but Hardens play elevated his team while WBs play elevated himself.

I have Harden at 3rd behind Lebron and Durant. Curry and Leonard are both great players but they're products of a system where as Harden IS the system. You could put Harden on any team, regardless of who is on the team and his production wouldn't decline very much while I feel that both Curry and Leonard's production would decline if they were placed on teams where the parts did not fit them the right way. Westbrook is an interesting case as well, I feel like he would be a stat stuffer no matter which team he played for but more of a detriment to his team than Harden is when it comes to that.

The Greek Freak will probably move above these guys in the coming years, though.

You guys saying kawhi is a product of the system come on now. I understand the spurs system makes guys look better but that's not the case with Leonard. That Memphis series and a whole bunch of other games they put kawhi in an isolation and told him win the game for them and he did it repeatedly.

I used to think the same thing.. but NOW if you watch Leonard and think he's a product of the system you aren't watching

I can't place Harden over kawhi because kawhi is such a great defender and he's become deadly from the 3 pt line. He'll never be the creator harden is and maybe harden would be the better option to carry a TRASH team but give me kawhi

I can't place Harden over kawhi because kawhi is such a great defender and he's become deadly from the 3 pt line. He'll never be the creator harden is and maybe harden would be the better option to carry a TRASH team but give me kawhi

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so both given a trash team, harden's team will be better

not sure why y'all punish harden for having an okay team while give curry and durant credit for having a super team and kawhi a pretty good team.

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