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Oh this legend is bugging me so much. I'm trying to make sense of something we barely have any information about. Ode to Joy the speculation, it gets the brain working on this sunday morning :P.

Right, been thinking some more :P. In the legend, are they talking about zekrom and reshiram being owned by each of the brothers or are they talking about White Kyurem and Black Kyurem? I only reason I thought of this because they both have similar characteristics so there may be some confusion between the legend itself and the modern understanding of the legend.

If it was infact White Kyurem and Black kyurem that fought, isnt it possible that maybe, just maybe (maybe 0.0001% chance lol), that the original kyurem that we see in Giant Chasm in BW is infact the ultimate dragon but it is withered because these two formes (Black kyurem and White kyurem) was virtually ripped from it from the Brother's fighting.

Oh these theories are probably so wrong, but it is fun when you have a trail of thought and you follow it .

that would mean that there would be 5 Dragons

-Reshiram from White Kyurem
-Zekrom form Black Kyurem
-the other 2 Kyurems from those two ^
- ANd The Other Kyurem from the Giant Chasm.

Over a quater of posts so far are not three sentences as mentioned in the first post in this thread, guys. Please make sure you have a decent amount of content as 'I agree with this' or short sentences don't count and are boring to read too anyway.

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Does it fuse with Reshiram/Zekrom? Does it use the light and dark stones? Is it something else?

If it is something else im curious on how Zekrom and Reshiram seem to be in Kyurems formes.

I also can't wait to here the 'legend/myth' on the tao trio now, it seems like it's going to be complicated, given we already know 2 brothers fought with Reshiram and Zekrom, who eventually turned to stones and Kyurem came down from a giant meteor, I wonder how it's all going to connect.

My theory is that Kyurem, Resiram and Zekrom used to be the same Pokemon. Evidence for this is that they have similar typings, similar move list and the fact that Reshiram or Zekrom used to be the same Pokemon. Maybe Kyurem was also formed at this time, but went into hiding because there were only two twins?

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These formes are interesting. What I think is that the Kyurem and Reshiram forme is in Black 2, and Kyurem and Zekrom forme in White 2. The question is, where is the other dragon in each forme? I think I ought to become Troy McClure for a minute to say 'To believe the story of two Kyurem formes, you'd have to forget all about the one dragon stories in the first games, and that would be downright silly!' Unless the two new Kyurem formes can fuse again to create 'the one dragon', that would be believable...

So are Black 2 and White 2 going to be SEQUELS to Black/white, as in they carry on the story? If thats right then it will be so awesome

I wonder how Kyurem gets these formes. Could this link to the end of Black/white where N is said to be on another place or soming with a dragon type pokemon? I dont think so....

I think Kyurem absorbs Reshi/zekrom to become White/black kyurem.

And are they two new pokemon? cause apparently masuda listed them as separate pokemon. That would be a bit confusing. Maybe like someone else noted, Kyurem holds the light/dark stone and gets into this forme. Im guessing it will be able to use of its new sig moves (Cold flare and Freeze shock)

Ok i have a theory. Well Reshiram is black version mascot. But it appears that the Zekrom/Kyurem "fusion" is the mascot for "black 2". So what if these versions are sequels but only to one version so "black and black 2" and "white and white 2". Reshiram will be in black 2 to be caught by us the players but then somehow the zekrom and kyurem of black 2 will turn into the mascot? and we will get the chance to capture it?

Unless Reshiram is not in black 2 altogether and the legend about two dragons splitting means either just zekrom and kyurem or Reshiram and kyurem depending on which version. I never did understand how Kyurem splitting into two equated to three dragons in BW.

Another theory is that these new mascots are nothing to do with the dragons in the legend in BW but are new dragons created by attempts to reunite the "two dragons"?

The form change has to do with the moves ice burn and freeze bolt most likely. Look at Kyurem normally and then the two forms, and its tail seems to sort of latch on to the generator-like tails of Zekrom and Reshiram. If anything, the form change will happen with the 2 stones, giving Kyurem the energy for each legendary, giving it the ability to posses the powers of electricity and fire.

I personally like the failed attempt at reuniting the original dragon theory but when you look at their Species name you have Zekrom the Deep Black pokemon and Reshiram the Vast White pokemon and Kyurem the Boundary pokemon. And then you have the fact that their tails are basically engines. To me from that information right there it looks to me like one of the dragons goes out of control (taken control of by Ghetsis perhaps or go crazed and their tail engines create too much energy and Kyurem has to come in and contain/control their power)
From this we would most likely see a return of N and Ghetsis. N because he wasn't truly evil and left to sort of learn and stuff plus he has one of the dragons and Ghetsis because he truly was the big baddie and never was captured so I can see him trying to take revenge for the main character foiling his plans. And I could even go so far as to say that he attacks N and you come to his aid because Ghetsis was both pissed and resentful of N for failing so it could be directed at him but I feel it would be directed at the main character.

and on a final note when you look at Kyurems Black pokedex entry it says that when its power leaked out its damaged its body so if something similar were to happen to Zekrom/Reshiram it might come to help and contain it to save it from destroying itself

2. Your theory might be right and there is in fact two Dragons and both brothers split those two dragons

3. ANother THeory Could BE that BOTH the Protagonist and N's Dragon were absorbed by two kyurems meaning that The Single Shell Kyurem has divided itself into Two and tried to make themselves complete by absorbing the dragons

Masuda did not list them as separate Pokemon. Why would he? It's already confirmed that this is Kyurem, not Pokemon 650 and 651. He just said "the new Legendary Pokemon." They are new, and the are Legendary. Not to mention Game Freak has a history of calling formes new Pokemon when they're revealed. Skymin was teased as a new Pokemon, as was Giratina's Origin Forme.

I find it hilarious that Meloetta is just sort of..there on that movie poster. Poor Moloetta, plonked into a short and barely revealed properly.

White Kyurem looks far better than Black Kyurem in my opinion. BK looks a bit odd. I assume these aren't fusions, because that would be a tad ridiculous to do in-game. It could be that the forms change between game using the God Stone/Dark Stone/Light stone though.

I find it hilarious that Meloetta is just sort of..there on that movie poster. Poor Moloetta, plonked into a short and barely revealed properly.

I think that's because the poster is a leak, not an official reveal. Next CoroCoro or Pokemon Smash will probably tease "Next time: A new Pokemon!" and then make a big deal out of Meloetta; because we aren't supposed to know about this poster yet.

I have an idea regarding Kyukuro(Black Kyurem) and Kyushiro(White Kyurem) maybe after you defeat Drayden or Iris or whoever the 8th gym leader is you find out that N or whoever has received both of the dragons. Drayden and Alder take you on a ship that leads to the Giant Chasm there you are sent to find the "God Stone" that Alder and Iris had told you about. Hoping that it would revive Kyurem who could hopefully hold Zekrom and Reshiram off for a little bit even though they are doubtful. Lenora meets up with you and states that she made a shocking discovery an item called the "Light Stone Fragment" or the "Dark Stone Fragment" depending on whatever game you are playing. All of the sudden the "God Stone" will glow and whatever fragment will attach to it shocking everyone. Alder suggest that you hang on to it despite not knowing what is going on. As soon as you face off against N or whoever he summons his two dragons. All of a sudden your stone begins to react to this and it turns into Kyukuro or Kyushiro I know it's Black Kyurem and White Kyurem but bare with me. N is surprised by this and Alder due to Kyurem looking noticeably different. Despite this N will challenge you to a battle with his two dragons in which you will use Kyukuro/Shiro and whoever else is second in your party.

After you defeat N you find out that Kyurem has been searching for the Dark/Light Stone in order to revert back to its original form(s) it lets out a loud roar and Zekrom and Reshiram both flee somewhere you are able to capture them post game. They are found in Black City and White Forest in a new area there.

Does it fuse with Reshiram/Zekrom? Does it use the light and dark stones? Is it something else?

If it is something else im curious on how Zekrom and Reshiram seem to be in Kyurems formes.

I'm really hoping that it uses some brand new method of changing into a different form. Using an item is so plain, something like actually absorbing Zekrom or Reshiram would be so insane and cool. XD

I guess it wouldn't be impossible to guess that maybe Kyurem changes if it is in either Black City or White Forest? You go there, it changes, and then you can leave and keep it changed until you go back and have it revert to normal. Pretty simple and easy, and not the most interesting thing, but still something, I guess. It would make it harder to get the opposite on from the other game then.

I really hope that the "complete" dragon that was separated is reformed in these games, I know people are saying that there won't be any new Pokémon but I honestly think that Gamefreak could incorporate the full dragon into the game in a scenario similar to the Spiky-Eared Pichu, where it can't be traded to any other game and can't be used online.

assuming we will a different player and this game happens after BW:
the BW player releases their dragon and kyrem merges with it to become one of the two forms but it cant get the other dragon beacause N flew away with it at the end of BW

(or maybe the BW player still has their dragon and N releases his but you get idea that one is gone)

I hope the new formes' ability would negate the charge turn. That would certainly make Kyurem OU at least.

I'm with you here, it'd make their presumed signature moves Freeze Shock and Ice Burn actually useful. Just imagine if Black Kyurem were Ice/Electric, at least 150 base Attack, with Bolt Strike and chargeless Freeze Shock, and throw in a no-recharge Giga Impact for the few things that resist StrikeShock.

Of course, that would make White Kyurem yet another Pokemon killed by Stealth Rock Maybe just give them both Magic Guard to kludge round the issue instead.

OK, so, I know that a lot of this is more just reaction to the games than Legendary speculation, but bear with me and you'll see that it is at least somewhat relevant. Besides, I need a place to vent, too, you know! Spoiler:- Lots and lots of discussion:

Anyway, so my first reactions after going to the Pokémon.com homepage: "WTF?! (Reads.) (Girlish giggle.) (Thinks.) Whoa... WTF?!" Yeah, I pretty much came full circle after a minute or two, but no matter, I'm still excited for this! This truly is an unprecedented move in my opinion. Also, soon after seeing and reading the new info I couldn't help but think to myself, "This must be exactly what happened to bring this about:
Japanese Game Planner: OK, so how do we make even more money off of these "third versions"? Hm... I've got it! We split them into another two games, instead! It's genius!
Other Japanese Game Planner: Yeah, but what would we call them?
Japanese Game Planner: Um... How about we just call them "Black 2" and "White 2"? I mean, they are sequels, after all.
Other Japanese Game Planner: Oh, yeah! Hey, and plus that solves that whole problem about having to create different logos and programming and everything just for America because of that whole "'Gray' or 'Gray'" thing! We're so good!
Ken Sugimori: But wait, what are we going to do for the cover Pokémon? We only have this one design I made, "Kyurem Origin Forme"!
Japanese Game Planner: Scrap it. We'll just make two new Formes instead, one for each of the other Dragons instead of all three put together like we were planning before!
Other Japanese Game Planner: Yeah, yeah, and then we can have even more merchandise!
Japanese Game Planner: Yeah!
Other Japanese Game Planner: Man, we are so getting pay raises for this."
Yep, and I'm sure that's exactly how it happened, too. Just ask them. Now that I have that vented, though, it's time for a little personal criticism of Black and White Kyurem:
Well, I actually do kind of like the designs, but I'm a little disappointed with the fact that there's two of them. I was kind of looking forward to seeing the "Original Dragon." You know, all three of them put together? That would have been nice, but whatever. What I think is kind of odd is that they seem to have put elements from Kyurem and Reshiram/Zekrom into these new designs fairly balancedly. So, what are they going to do for their types? What, are they going to make this the first three-type Pokémon, or maybe give it an effect that causes it to to be listed as two but also have the weaknesses and advantages of the third, as well (Yes, I'm sure that would never get confusing and/or complicated or anything.)? Or are they just going to make Black/White's respective typing "Dragon/[Combined Pokémon's second-type]" (I can't help but notice that the "2" in the logos are blue for Black and red for White, which gives me the idea that Black Kyurem will likely be linked in some way to Zekrom's Electric traits and White Kyurem to Reshiram's Fire traits. Well, that and the idea that this time the games won't be so "checkered" and that Black 2 will have the black mascot and White 2 will have the white mascot, but that's a whole different discussion.)? Or will they just throw everyone for a loop and give Black Kyurem Reshiram's Fire-typing and White Kyurem Zekrom's Electric-typing for no apparent reason? Then again, I suppose they could always just make all of those types cancel each other out and make them both straight-up Dragon-types. But they would never do something that silly, of course. That would be as ridiculous as the idea of fusing two Pokémon together or something! One other aspect of these two that I find intriguing is the aspect of their signature moves. Will they simply have the respective two moves of the trio's three, or will they have a brand new move or two? I am eager to see.
And on a more general point, will these two be tradable between these two new Versions, or will they be forced to remain in their own games, never seeing the light of day in any sort of linking for a while? Also, does this mean that Zekrom and Reshiram can fuse with each other, perhaps? Who knows, maybe there is still hope for a game that requires an American and everywhere-else version of the logo, if that's the case! And one final thing that is on my mind about these two: Will the two members fuse because of the Fusion Flare/Bolt moves, an item, an event, or will it just be some sort of time travel like some seem to like to think? I'm personally just kind of hoping it won't just be a matter of "In these games' worlds Kyurem was never split from Zekrom/Reshiram. Thus, new Pokémon." That would just annoy me. Oh yeah, and Gray Kyurem (all three together), please!

OK, now you can move on with your life. Thanks for reading, you've been a great audience, folks! I'm off to write this into a book, now!

Of course, that would make White Kyurem yet another Pokemon killed by Stealth Rock Maybe just give them both Magic Guard to kludge round the issue instead.

BWKyurem will probably get "Ultrafreeze" or something that is just another cool sounding Mold Breaker.
As for typing, we could see Ice/Electric and Ice/Fire(however counter-intuitive that may be), Dragon/Ice or Dragon/Fire, Dragon/Electric. We may even get pure Dragon. They all have their pros and cons.

Ice Burn and Freeze Shock

I'm surprised no one's yet to mention the moves Ice Burn or Freeze Shock (sorry if you have and I've not seen it).

Both are Ice Moves with Power of 140 and Accuaracy of 90, the difference between the two is that Ice Burn has a similar animation to Blue Flare and has the potential to burn the target. And Freeze Shock has a similar animation to Bolt Strike with the potential to paralyse the target.

Now Reshiram learns Blue Flare at Lvl. 100 and Zekrom learns Bolt Strike at Lvl. 100, but Kyurem learns nothing at Lvl. 100 currently, so it's safe to assume that Kyurem will learn either of these moves at Lvl. 100 depending on if it's Black Kyurem or White Kyurem. I believe that Kyurem's formes might be Ice/Fire and Ice/Electric so that Ice Burn and Freeze Shock receive a same-type attack bonus. Thoughts?

I abhor Kyurem's new forms. They're my least favourite Pokémon (I hate having to call them that) without any question. I can't find any redeeming features, which I find quite surprising. I'm ultimately very disappointed with these abominations; I was looking forward to a complete, defined, appealing form of Kyurem.

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Originally Posted by Icy Meteor

Now Reshiram learns Blue Flare at Lvl. 100 and Zekrom learns Bolt Strike at Lvl. 100, but Kyurem learns nothing at Lvl. 100 currently, so it's safe to assume that Kyurem will learn either of these moves at Lvl. 100 depending on if it's Black Kyurem or White Kyurem.

About those two being "new pokémon": I'm not sure what Masuda wrote, but I guess he didn't mean anything special. Back when Platinum was to be released, wasn't Giratina-O a new legendary? Same thing here. Besides, even if that's not what he meant, then maybe those two merely are one-way formes, but still be considered as formes (just like Rotom may change to formes with higher BST and a design that clearly fits an evolution and yet be considered formes).

About their typing: lol screw you guys, those two will still be Dragon pokémon. It's the Tao Trio's primary typing, and that thing has changed between evolutions only twice (Steelix and Altaria) iirc, and never between formes. They'll surely get a Electric/Fire-type move or two, but really, that's it. Besides, Ice/Fire would be so horribad it would probably be UU lol. And that's saying a lot about a 660+ BST pokémon. Hell, it could even have a *shot* of being RU or BL2...

About Freeze Shock and Ice Burn: Well guess what, those Kyurem will have their respective moves. I just wonder how they will interact... Maybe all three Kyurem will learn the moves, but they won't have a charging turn when used by the right forme? Or maybe they'll pull a Relic Song on us (oh please god no)? Who knows.

Last edited by Mario with Lasers; 26th February 2012 at 5:21 PM.

Originally Posted by Snowyarticuno

Clearly Bianca is the Shadow Triad

FACT: You never see her at the end
FACT: Musharna can create illusions in a similar manner to the Triad's vanishing acts
FACT: Musharna can create illusions of people
FACT: You never see the Triad until after Bianca gets her Muuna
FACT: Being the Shadow Triad would give her something to do in life