Make America Fun Again – With #Hillary2016 #BernieSanders @RealDonaldTrump

Update: The debate is on tonight at 8:00 p.m. ET. And yes, we are blockheads. The debate is on ABC not NBC. We heard Brent Bozell discuss NBC and the debate and we assumed the debate was on NBC, though we should have known better after the CNBC debate. Still, it is difficult to find information about this debate and very little interest in it – other than from the Bernie burn-outs.

We’ll cover the debate as usual, in the comments, in a new post.

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Like to hunt? Put your hunt hat on and join us. Like to laugh? Some of this might make you cry. It’s Friday and in the spirit of Donald Trump we’re going to do our best to Make America Fun Again.

Hunt hat on? Help us hunt. What are we hunting? We’re hunting for the Saturday debate. But we can’t find any tracks for Saturday nights debate.

We want to waste our Saturday night with full on coverage of the debate starring Hillary Clinton and assorted penised persons from Baltimore and Vermont. But we can’t find it. How can we cover it when we can’t find it? Help!!!!!!!!!!

We know the Saturday night debate is on Saturday night. The debate host is NBC. Problem is NBC will not air the debate. Get our problem? There’s an NBC hosted debate but it won’t air on NBC. Easy answer: it’s on MSNBC, the sewer sister station for NBC. Problem: the Saturday night debate is not on MSNBC either. MSNBC will feature it’s usual weekend lineup of shows focused on men in prison. No debate. So NBC hosts a debate but will not air the debate and MSNBC is busy with reruns of a show few watch when it first airs. Where can we watch the fu*king debate?????

We hear it’s on Youtube. Yeah. Youtube!!! We don’t kid. We don’t jest. Youtube!!! Youtube!!!! We might be the only viewers. Whoever thought of holding a debate on the Saturday night before Christmas and only airing it on Youtube deserves a “Make America Fun Again” prize. Why waste your time at home on a Saturday night when you can dance the night away?

Hardest hit in his staying alive quest is Saint Bernard of Vermont. He thinks the stealth debate schedule is designed to help Hillary2016. Ordinarily we would be on the side of those who want an open debate process. But after all the corruption and cheating by the DNC in 2008 designed to help Barack Obama we are under no illusion that the DNC is anything but corrupt and the latest thumb on the scales is standard operating procedure from that kook left crap house. In either case, Bernie has bigger worries:

Bernie Sanders Campaign Accessed Confidential Clinton Data

In response, the DNC has suspended the Sanders campaign from the party’s voter file — a move that could cripple the senator just weeks before the start of the primary. The Sanders campaign staffer who accessed the data has been fired.

The Democratic National Committee has suspended Bernie Sanders’ access to the party’s 50-state voter file in response to a software glitch that allowed the Sanders campaign to access Hillary Clinton’s internal voter data.

The DNC move effectively freezes Sanders’ field organizing program six weeks from the first caucuses and primaries. [snip]

The incident could pose a devastating setback for Sanders so close to the start of the Democratic primary: Until access is restored to the NGP VAN, the candidate’s organizers will have to perform the basic functions of the field program — phone banks, voter contact, visibility — without an electronic system centralizing their efforts.

We’re shedding crocodile tears for Bernie. The breach was the fault of the vendor not the Sanders’ staffer who took advantage of the open door. But now the back of the Bern has been broken. We want to help Bernie. So here’s our suggestion: Hey Bernie why don’t you try to grab some attention by denouncing Barack Obama and Big Media?

If you read The New York Times‘ story on President Barack Obama‘s private meeting with news columnists Friday morning, you may have caught one quote that made the President look particularly bad:

In his meeting with the columnists, Mr. Obama indicated that he did not see enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, and made clear that he plans to step up his public arguments.

The President of the United States failed to understand that Americans were anxious after two major terrorist attacks in Western cities because he doesn’t watch TV? It’s an admission that opponents are sure to use to make the president seem out-of-touch at best, and unconcerned about a serious threat at worst.

Many politicos and journalists immediately saw the newsworthiness of the statement, especially after CNN’s Brian Stelter drew attention to it. [snip]

But just as the quote was beginning to make the rounds, it disappeared entirely from the the Times piece, without a correction or any indication that the piece had been updated.

Instead, the paragraph in question has been replaced with the following, which doesn’t appear to have any connection to the original paraphrase:

Saint Bernard could Make America Fun Again and get some earned media for himself with a strong denunciation of the New York Times and out of touch Barack. But Saint Bernard prefers to howl in pain. Screw him.

For real laughs, you always can rely on the GOP establishment. Paul Ryan and the GOP House and Senate have a great Christmas laugh at the expense of the American people who are in open revolt against their “leadership”. Breaking: Omnibus passes House 316-113; Update: Senate approves, 65-33. They’re doing everything to elect Trump:

It doesn’t take much leadership to push through a bill that the opposition supports and that Obama wants to sign. John Boehner could have done that. The huge expansion of H-2B visas alone should have killed this bill, especially with millions of American workers still sidelined from the Great Recession. Did anyone in Congress bother to look at the workforce participation rate lately, which is still at a 38-year low? For that matter, did any of our elected representatives think that maybe it’s a bad time to massively expand visa programs for other reasons — say, what happened in San Bernardino?

That’s a downer sure to bring tears. We have to turn to Donald Trump to Make America Fun Again. And we have to admit there is no one like The Donald to bring a smile to our faces these days.

Just this past week, Donald J. Trump made us cackle like a goose laying an egg, twice.

The first time was the Trump medical report. Early this month, Big Media was trashing Donald Trump for something Trump said (which was clearly designed to provoke Big Media into a trap). The worst journolister this election cycle is Ben Schreckinger at Politico. Schreckinger is not only a yellow journolister but an idiot as well. This is what Ben Schreckinger wrote on December 3 of this month:

Trump relents after withholding medical records

Facing questions about his age, diet and lack of workout regimen, the billionaire businessman now pledges to release his health records within two weeks.

Donald Trump says he is in good health, but voters up to now have had to take his word for it.

Trump once said that all presidential candidates should release their medical records. But so far in the 2016 race, he had declined to release his, and a campaign spokeswoman had not responded to multiple requests for comment about the candidate’s health records stretching back to October.

On Thursday, three hours after this article was published, the billionaire businessman relented, tweeting that he’ll release his records within the next two weeks. “As a presidential candidate, I have instructed my long-time doctor to issue, within two weeks, a full medical report-it will show perfection,” Trump said in the tweet.

Idiot Ben Schreckinger writes articles devoted to silly attacks against Donald Trump. This health report article was particularly stupid. It’s a long article which trashes Trump’s diet and lack of exercise, even though Trump appears highly energetic and full of vim and vigor. Then Ben Schreckinger lauded himself because Donald Trump collapsed and caved to Ben’s demands for medical records.

What a stupid little baiter Ben Schreckinger is. Trump put cheese on a trap. Ben chewed on the trap. Ben says “what a bright boy I am.” Ben Schreckinger got Trumped and Trump made America fun again. Trump’s collapse and cave on his medical records was conceived and executed as a well crafted trap from the first. Then Trump released his medical report which Makes America Fun Again:

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Monday released a letter from his physician stating that the 69-year-old Republican presidential candidate’s latest medical examination “showed only positive results.”

Trump’s physician of 25 years, Dr. Harold Bornstein, said Trump “has had no significant medical problems” and called the candidate’s blood pressure and lab results “astonishingly excellent” in a signed statement Trump released publicly on Monday.

“If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” Bornstein, an internal medicine and gastroenterology specialist who works at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York, wrote in the letter dated December 4.

Trump declared he would not release his medical records. Big Media went nuts. Donald Trump released, in superlatives, his medical records which became one of the most talked about medical records released since Jimmy Carter discussed his hemorrhoids. Trump made America fun again. Jimmy Kimmel noted the fun:

It was hilarious. The Trump Popeye muscle flexing then the doctor’s photo. Hysterical. Most of the comments from Big Media tried to present the episode as harmful to Trump. We laughed. America was fun again.

Kimmel and company drew heavily on Dr. Seuss with a story following a cartoon Trump teaching two children lessons about winning and losing, at least in a capitalistic sense.

“Winners aren’t losers. They’re winners—like me!” the book opens. “A loser’s a loser. Which one will you be?”

As Kimmel reads the book, Trump cracks up with laughter repeatedly and appears to be at a rare loss for words.

The cartoon Trump introduces the kids to a dog who isn’t good at deal making and a bear who isn’t too successful. In fact, he “must feel like a loser, valet-ing that 2006 PT Cruiser!”
The appearance on the popular late night talk show comes as Trump continues to lead the polls among the GOP candidates for president.

Winners aren’t losers. And a loser brings our second Make America Fun Again Trump moment of the week as we watch Trump make faces that crack us up:

Bernie Sanders’ campaign on Friday threatened to take the Democratic National Committee to federal court if the party organization doesn’t restore the campaign’s access to a crucial voter database.

The development came after the DNC cut Sanders off from the database and charged that the Vermont senator’s presidential campaign exploited a software error to improperly access confidential voter information collected by Hillary Clinton’s team.

At a press conference in Washington on Friday, Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver accused the DNC of trying to sabotage the campaign and vowed to fight the DNC in federal court if the Sanders campaign’s access to the data is not quickly restored.

“The DNC, in an inappropriate overreaction, has denied us access to our own data,” Weaver said. “In other words, the leadership of the Democratic National Committee is actively trying to undermine our campaign … If they hold our data hostage, we will be in federal court this afternoon seeking immediate relief.”

The DNC, however, had a very different story.

Shortly after Weaver’s press conference, DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said suspending the Sanders’ campaign’s access was the only way to ensure the voter file was properly safeguarded.

Not that I doubted you, Admin, but I actually looked this up because I could not believe it. Well, YouTube does make it easier to rig the numbers of viewers watching. Whereas maybe the DNC (which is broke) could not afford to pay for good ratings if on TV.

Privacy advocates were aghast in October when the Senate passed the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act by a vote of 74 to 21, leaving intact portions of the law they say make it more amenable to surveillance than actual security. Now, as CISA gets closer to the President’s desk, those privacy critics argue that Congress has quietly stripped out even more of its remaining privacy protections.

Needless to say, if “Harry S” is correct and a few Leeth Abdalhmeeds manage to slip through undetected at German refugee camps only to carry out coordinated attacks, TIME magazine’s newly-minted person of the year will suddenly become the most unpopular figure in all of Germany thanks to TIME’s runner-up:

Put simply: all it will take to destroy the legacy of the most powerful politician in the world (with the possible exception of Putin and Xi) is one night of terror perpetrated by a handful of extremists, and as we’ve been keen to note, the odds of a few “bad apples” slipping through go up by the day:

Since it is Friday night, we are posting our favorite music vehicles, and because the reaction to my Rifleman video was so overwhelming, I decided to take an even bigger chance with this one.

By way of background, I came across a website which purported to say who the best torch singer, i.e. chanteuse of the last century was. I disagreed with their nominees entirely. But they were on safe terrain because you hear that kind of music today, rarely if ever. So most people would not know the difference, and even if they did, they would not care.

But to those of us who remain true to the faith, there is a list we carry around in our heads. It would include Ella Fitzgerald, Billy Holiday, Sarah Vaghn, among others. And if you ever visit New York city and find yourself at the Algonquin Hotel (which I highly recommend because of its quality and history), drinking alone (which I do not recommend, even though I am no good at following my own advice), you may hear the voice of Felicia Sander who once graced its premises singing The Song from Moulin Rouge.

But for me, there was one there is one torch singer you have never heard of who had no equal. She was trained at Julliard, was all set to hit the great white way, but was discovered by a French composer and performer and spirited off to France. When she came back to the states she found acclaim on the cocktail circuit, and on television in the 50s. She married her manager who was years younger, and the two of them had a unique arrangement where if she caught him cheating she would have to pay her $10,000 which made for a pretty good cat and mouse game, as long as the detective worked cheap.

Here you see her performing two songs, one by the finest lyricist Dick Rogers ever associated with–much better than Hammerstein. His name was Lorenz Hart and like the actor Montgomery Clift he struggled with his homosexuality and died tragically. Ten cents a dance. The other is by Cy Coleman and Dorothy Fields. Hey Big Spender, which was part of the Sweet Charity Production of Bob Fosse. I speak of these people like I know them, which I do not, but they are as much a part of my life, and the big bands were to our friend ABM 90. The Cuban Banker told me that when he and his sister were very young, their mother professed undying love for their father, but in her words, if William Holden the actor ever walked into the room, all bets were off. I feel the same way about this lady as she was then.

Clinton, Sanders and former Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley, who lags badly in polls, will participate in the debate in Manchester, New Hampshire, which begins at 8 p.m. EST (0100 GMT Sunday) and will be televised nationally by ABC News.

“Obama indicated that he did not see enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks in Paris and San Bernardino.”

A story published by the New York Times late Thursday night caused some major media waves. The story, which was written by reporters Peter Baker and Gardiner Harris, included a remarkable admission by Obama about his response to the recent terror attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, California.

By Friday morning, however, the entire passage containing Obama’s admission had been erased from the story without any explanation from the New York Times

Oops I guess Susana Martinez just screwed her chances of VP if she was interested. She was involved in a “rowdy hotel party” and after many warnings, the hotel called the police. Martinez called 911 and tried to get the police called off, using being governor as weight to throw around. Now she’s backtracking, apologizing, saying her drinking didn’t affect her judgment, it was just bad judgment.

Shadow, I think I understand what Lorac is trying to say. Hillary stood up to China with her “women’s rights are human rights”, but does not appear to be holding Muslims to the same standard and is supporting their “import” into this country. Neither does the 3rd wave of women’s rights activists hold Muslims feet to the fire of equality. They are so busy being “inclusive” and supporting whatever liberal meme is being driven down their throats that they are now rallying for Muslims even though that religion treats women as incidental unless they are willing to blow themselves up for Allah.

Thanks, Voting Hillary. I’m not sure if Shadow was referring to my post or not. But I thought my references were clear, but maybe not, and you definitely explained it better than I did!

What was once LG is now LGBTQ.

Uh oh you’re dating yourself lol. It’s way longer now. I have a lot of resources saved on my work computer, and one folder is called “gay” for resources for lesbians and gays. My intern last year told me that it’s now LGBTQabcdefg – I don’t remember what all she said was in there now. My response was that it appears very inclusive, but IMO, it’s very wide but very shallow, because all those people do NOT identify with each other.

IMO, technically even L and G shouldn’t be together, because again IMO, lesbians are a whole lot more like straight women than they are like gay men. The only similarity between lesbians and gay men is that they have both been vilified and attacked, and that they both prefer the same gender as themselves in a mate.

Transsexual???? In NO way does that belong, because that’s a gender identity issue, and is not a sexual preference issue (although it can be confusing when they’re changing their gender, do they now like the same gender they previously liked, or do they choose what would now be the socially appropriate gender for a mate).

The transsexual inclusion particularly infuriates me. I think “they” had no where else to stick them, and they’re such a tiny minority they felt they couldn’t stand on their own, so they stuck them with gay people. But they don’t belong there. IMVSO. I just made that up lol In My Very Strong Opinion.

As the air goes out of the Rubio campaign events are proceeding with dramatic precision to the denouement admin predicted, no one else believed, but everyone will agree was inevitable after the fact. Rubio’s cynical, connived, calculated failure to show up for the budget vote for fear of the political fall-out, provides further proof that Rubio is the Republican reincarnation of Barack Insane Obama, ergo yet another puppet selected and feted by the elites to continue the forced march to world government.
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The fading Marco Rubio campaign is foundering on the one-term, soon-to-be-has-been Florida legislator’s leading role in the Gang of Eight immigration fiasco. It’s about time:

Senator Marco Rubio made a big bet on an immigration overhaul that failed — and he has been running away from it since. Now his past is catching up with him, stoking old grievances from conservative rivals who are reopening one of the most vulnerable episodes in his past.

The anger toward Mr. Rubio on the right has only grown in recent days as he has taken to aggressively questioning Senator Ted Cruz’s toughness on illegal immigration, a line of attack that some Republicans say they find disingenuous. On talk radio, on the campaign trail and on television in states like Iowa, Mr. Rubio is suddenly facing a torrent of criticism from his own party unlike anything he has faced so far in the presidential race.

Mr. Cruz’s campaign, which was initially rattled by Mr. Rubio’s attacks, is retaliating with a new ad arguing that the 2013 immigration bill Mr. Rubio helped write would have left the country exposed to attacks from Islamic State infiltrators. It shows Mr. Rubio standing with Democrats and conservative boogeymen like Senator John McCain as Mr. Cruz says: “Their misguided plan would have given Obama the authority to admit Syrian refugees, including ISIS terrorists. That’s just wrong.”
Just as Mitt Romney’s devotion to Romneycare should have instantly disqualified him in the 2012 GOP nominating process, so should Rubio’s opportunistic advocacy of “comprehensive immigration reform” rule him out of serious consideration. There are, of course, plenty of other reasons, but this one alone ought to do the job.
Mr. Rubio’s struggle to mollify Republicans who believe he betrayed conservative principles for political convenience — two years of outreach and labored professions of a lesson learned — has never had higher stakes: He is trying to break out beyond the third- or fourth-place spot he holds in many polls by peeling away support from conservative favorites like Mr. Cruz and Ben Carson. Yet his recent attacks on Mr. Cruz carry a fair amount of risk, as some influential conservatives are now rallying to Mr. Cruz’s side and denouncing Mr. Rubio.

The sooner the Rubio candidacy is dispatched in the early primaries, the faster the GOP electorate can decided between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.

Ben Schreckinger lauded himself because Donald Trump collapsed and caved to Ben’s demands for medical records–not realizing that he was sucked it.
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This gets into the whole business of cross examination in a courtroom.

Trump could have offered up this glowing medical report on his own volition and it would have had limited effect. Big media would have buried it.

Instead, he pretended he had something to hide, which drew this mealy mouthed jackal to smell blood, so he walked right into the trap.

The former approach is akin to direct examination—it akin to gun powder in that it travels along its appointed line, producing minimal effect.

The latter approach is akin to cross examination–it is akin to dynamite rending in all directions.

For this mealy mouthed jackal to take curtain calls for the disclosure, which rends in all directions and repudiates forever the motive he had in asking it, reminds me of the attorney who cross examines an adverse witness, who testified on direct examination that the defendant bit off the plaintiffs nose in a scuffle, asks him a series of questions designed to show the jury that the witness was not in a position to observe his client biting off the nose, and then turns triumphantly to the jury and asks the witness then how can you tell this jury my client bit off his nose, and the witness then says because I saw him spit it out. I doubt this Politico jackal even realizes he was played.

You’re such an important and beloved part of this website, it just tears at me that you’re not comfortable here often. It pains me, and I wish I could comfort you.

You seem to be holding out hope that Hillary will revert to her 2008 self once the general election is next on the horizon. For my part, as you may know, I personally suspect that I won’t be able to trust such a dramatic change from her last 7 years of history. That to me, it will be too much of a backtrack, and will simply seem politically expedient. That’s my suspicion, but of course I won’t know until that time.

But I thought of something. For all we know, admin may feel the same way you do. That if Hillary comes around to saying the right things, s/he will trust that, and revert to Hillary over Trump. S/he has certainly been giving Hillary so many hints forever, hoping Hillary will get a clue.

But even if you have to remove yourself sometimes, I’m glad you’re here most of the time.

And why it did not fade as so many defenders of the status quo predicted.

If her latest WSJ article is any indication.

Again, cudos to admin, for getting there firstest with the mostest.

What a year of wonders. For a good portion of it there were three Republican presidential candidates who, if you added up their polling numbers, had the support of more than half the voters—and they had never, not one of them, won a political office in their lives. On-the-ground Republicans surveying the past 15 years of unwon wars, great recession, feeble recovery and a world on fire, thought: “Who gave us this world? The professional political class. So it’s time to reach outside politics and consider other kinds of experience and attainment.”

Another wonder: The political parties swapped their longtime roles, styles and ways of being. The Democrats became the party of primogeniture, the Republicans of rebellion. The Democrats were once alive, chaotic and brawling, the Republicans staid and orderly. Not anymore. It is the Democrats who are accepting a coronation, the Republicans who said no to ancestral claims. The deflation of Jeb Bush is a huge story. With his failure to rise, the consultant class and shock-and-awe fundraising took it on the chin. Jeb was not the answer to any question the base was asking.

If the rise of Donald Trump continues, the Republican Party is either breaking in two or changing its nature—either way a huge political development. If it breaks in two it will be because the bottom pushed away hard from the top, which will have to decide where it goes. If the party holds together it will be a more populist one, at least as long as Mr. Trump dominates—more liberal on spending, less interventionist on foreign policy, if we go by his rhetoric.

Mr. Trump is compared to Barry Goldwater in 1964 and George McGovern in 1972, but those comparisons are wrong in substance. Goldwater represented a clear, coherent but extreme conservatism, at least by the standards of the day; he pushed conservatism further than the nation, including Republicans, wanted to go. McGovernism was experienced as pure, unadulterated left-liberalism—philosophically coherent but extreme, and further than the nation, including Democrats, wanted to go.

Mr. Trump is different. His views are not too far in one ideological direction; they go in no particular and every direction. His grab bag of stands, to give it its due, reflects a rough awareness of the historical and political moment we’re in. But it’s not a clear set of beliefs brought to their extreme, it’s a bunch of beliefs brought forward by a man who bops to extremes and back again.

Can he win the nomination? Yes. If the year has taught us anything it’s that we don’t know what’s going to happen. He’s leading in every primary state. Maybe that will change; maybe his deficit with women will turn out to matter. He could fail to win the Iowa caucuses in six weeks, which would leave him dinged. The past six months have been nothing but one headline: “Trump is Winning.” An Iowa loss would be “Trump Loses!” His mystique would be damaged and the damage could spread.

On the other hand he could triumph in New Hampshire, where he continues well ahead in the polls. And he could win that open primary with support from independents. (It is not only Republicans who would like to fire Washington.) In that case the headline would be “Trump Expands the Base—Trump Grows the Party!” That would make Trumpism less easy to dismiss, more like a movement than a mood.

Now that it is two weeks after the San Bernardino shooting, Barack Obama is finally getting around to visiting the families. This is in stark contrast to how his administration handled Sandy Hook and Charlston and the deserved shootings of thugs Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. But very similar to how he has handled the Chattanooga case.

Not only is Barack Obama late in visiting San Bernarndino — recall that he sang at the funeral of the victims of the Charleston shooting — he is claiming that he was totally, completely unaware that the murder of 14 innocent people by Islamic terrorists and the revelation that other attacks had been planned had people on edge about terrorism. The reason being that he doesn’t watch cable news:

President Obama said in a private meeting this week that he initially failed to understand the level of national anxiety in the wake of the Paris and San Bernardino terrorist attacks, in part, because he didn’t watch enough cable news.

In an off-the-record meeting with journalists on Tuesday, Obama said that he did not watch enough cable news to fully recognize the extent of people’s fears, sources with knowledge of the meeting told CNN. That characterization of Obama’s remarks was included in a New York Times article, but later removed while the article was being edited for the print edition.

One of the hallmarks of the Obama administration — I mean other than lawlessness, the willingness to kill people to prove a point, a rank incompetence — is that whenever something bad happens you can depend on Obama having been out of the loop. For instance, Sharyl Atkisson has this run down.

What Obama said is pure nonsense. He has staff. His DHS director has been interviewed and questioned. Major polling firms have done polls on the subject. He knew what was going on but to acknowledge the increased concern about terrorism he would have to address the fact that the cause was the terrorist group he created, ISIS; that is was carried out by members of the administration’s favored religion; and that one of the killers gained entry to the United States because political correctness prevented a true background check.

The takeaway from this is obvious. Obama was dog-whistling his friends in the media… most of whom did not report this stunning revelation… that they were told to downplay the terrorism angle in San Bernardino. And he was giving them the storyline: the terrorism concern held by the public is a function of alarmist pundits appearing on cable news, there is no real terrorism threat, just a false fear fed by networks anxious for ratings.

I have my thoughts about where Admins stands, and it is up to her/him to express them…just like it is for everyone here to support their own candidate.
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I agree. It should not be identity politics. Each of us needs to decide what our values are, and which candidate best supports them.

Update: The debate is on tonight at 8:00 p.m. ET. And yes, we are blockheads. The debate is on ABC not NBC. We heard Brent Bozell discuss NBC and the debate and we assumed the debate was on NBC, though we should have known better after the CNBC debate. Still, it is difficult to find information about this debate and very little interest in it – other than from the Bernie burn-outs.