Tonight President Trump will address the Nation from the Oval Office. It is believed the speech will be in regards to The Wall and the Middle East.

Here is a framing of the wall side of the debate, please pay close attention to the comments from Obama’s Head of the Border Patrol Mark Morgan who was fired by Trump. His segment starts at 2:50, but the whole 13 min. is well worth the watch.

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Tucker Carlson gives indigestion. He does not give positive arguments for a wall or dispute the position that there is no crisis other than a humanitarian one that Trump himself caused. Mark Morgan does not either. It is outrageous that Trump is commanding the airwaves for his political stunt. Shame on the networks for dropping their journalistic values and broadcasting this stunt this evening.

“NYr the crises was caused by Obama”. Trump changed the policies from Obama’s. Obama did not have children separated from their parents, or children murdered. It started with Trump’s “Zero Tolerance” orders. Trump most certainly caused the disgraceful humanitarian situation on the border. Do you recall concentration camps for childrfen under Obama?

Yes and no. Firstly, as you say there is no right to illegal immigration. However there are more appropriate ways of dealing with it. No one is suggesting, for example, building one along the US-Canadian border.

To build a wall, especially as it is unlikely to actually have much impact on illegal immigration, is a giant symbol saying to quite a large number of Americans that people like them are so bad that the US needed to build a 2000 mile wall to keep them out.

“If people would just listen to Mr. Morgan at 2:50 in the clip, I think some minds would be changed.”

I listened to him. He didn’t actually say anything. He didn’t put forward any actual arguments, nor debunk other arguments. He just said he thinks there should be a wall and can’t think of a reason why there shouldn’t be one.

“The charge of homicide is far more accurately assessed to the parents and the coyotes that brought the kids to the border.”

The children were in US custody. At that point they become the responsibility of the United States to see to their welfare until they leave US jurisdiction. So the failure to give them medication, the failure to give them adequate water etc… is the fault of the United States.

Seamus, the fact that Mr. Morgan was with the Border Patrol and FBI for 20 years, not to mention being fired by Trump, speaks volumes to his expertise on the subject. Also the fact that his politics was not mentioned means that he’s not some political hack.

He also stated that he spent most of his time in y hometown of El Paso, where we have a wall, speaks to his knowledge on the subject.

Seamus there is a whole section on the racism charge right after the immoral one.

Sorry you are also totally wrong on your data. Where the wall exists in each of those regions it dropped illegal crossing in that zone 90% and it’s documented. The Obama border guy that was replaced even says it works.

Legal Latin Americans support a crackdown on ILLEGALS a story you don’t hear much. Because of the illegal problem they are asked 5th 6th generation “you a legal”? If you don’t think it upsets them you’re wrong.

We need a flow between the two countries it’s the way the continent has functioned long before and will in the future, but we can not in today’s day an age have one illegal in this country work visa, greencard, fingerprints, and dna or get the f out.

“Seamus, the fact that Mr. Morgan was with the Border Patrol and FBI for 20 years, not to mention being fired by Trump, speaks volumes to his expertise on the subject. Also the fact that his politics was not mentioned means that he’s not some political hack.”

He still didn’t advance any arguments. It’s an appeal to authority. This guy has done this job so he knows what he is talking about. Sure give him credit where credit is due. He still didn’t advance any arguments. Just asked us to to take his word for it.

“Where the wall exists in each of those regions it dropped illegal crossing in that zone 90% and it’s documented. “

Sure because they will go around it. Which no matter how big it is they will go around it. Are the total numbers dropping because in this area or that area have dropped? No.

“The Israeli wall has worked well in stopping the worst of the Arab terrorism.”

Except it hasn’t. Israel shouted about it for a decade about how important it would to preventing attacks. Since it was completed they have stopped shouting about it, while attacks have continued.

There has been a decline in suicide bombings. But then there have also been a decline in suicide bombings against Israeli settlements on the far side of the Barrier. It’s also estimated that nearly 55% of Palestinians who cross the Barrier do so illegally.

Canada has it’s own problems with the boy who wants to be king, but they offer no threat on canadians over running us for jobs or flooding us with their drugs. Just the opposite on that one the hells angels and pagen motorcycle clubs have flooded Canada with meth.

Except it doesn’t. The decline in suicide bombings has little if anything to do with the wall. As stated nearly 55% of Palestinians who cross from the West Bank to Israel (through the barrier) do so illegally. If they can’t keep them out to work how can they keep them out to blow stuff up.

Additionally if the decline in suicide bombings was caused by the wall there would be a distinction. Suicide bombings in Israel would be down but suicide bombings in the West Bank would be at the same level. That hasn’t happened. Suicide bombings in the West Bank have dropped by a similar rate.

The reason behind it is several fold. Firstly the movement of Fatah away from violence against Israel. The bulk of the suicide bombings in the period you mentioned were by Fatah. They now largely support engagement with the Israelis. Secondly the IDF have got better at disrupting suicide bombings long before they get to their target.

It would be. It’s hard to support a guy when he doesn’t argue anything. And it’s hard to argue with a guy when he doesn’t argue anything.

He was high ranking FBI for the last 5yrs of his 20yr history in the FBI and was then political enough to get a high appointment in CBP by Obama…

In other words he’s an active party democrat and he didn’t mention politics because he is speaking out of ranks but feels things need to be said, and he said every way he could without saying it “Build the Wall” and he walked the edge not to offend either side perfectly.

because he’s a politician with actual job expertise. Expertise in federal crimes in the #1 region of the country with the highest percentage of federal crimes committed by illegals. Then who actually worked not pushing paper but arranging that men and patrols were applied the most efficiently.

He’s a democrat, he’s young, if he expects to use his connections to ever get a job he can’t come out and say that the only reason the reason the dems are against it is to screw Trump.

This is not meant as an offense…. Every American understood exactly what he was saying by not saying….. never forget my friend we are one people not only separated by an ocean but by a common language.

It will be interesting to see if the numbers hold up to scrutiny. Treating 600,000 uninsured people with $100 million seems a little suspect. That’s about $165 per uninsured person. If that was US wide it would only be $4.5 billion. That seems ludicrously low.

If the $100 million figure is true then it is achievable. New York City’s budget is nearly $90 billion.

It is reported that the Homeland Security Department had a study conducted on how best to protect the southern border. They refuse to release it. Perhaps the study does not recommend throwing children in a concentration camp. Perhaps it does not recommend a concrete wall. Perhaps it does not recommend using Army troops. One wonders why Trump does not release the study which was paid for with public funds.

I don’t really follow college football if I’m being honest. Normally only start really watch in it when I’m watching highlights in the lead up to the Draft.

For some reason I thought college football was on Saturdays. Did they move it to avoid a clash with the playoffs in the NFL?

A true freshman winning a national championship does seem like quite the achievement. I might see if I can find the game and watch it. Seems like a good game. Alabama are a damn good college and Nick Saban is one of those crazy genius types. So for them to lose, never mind lose heavily is surprising.

Why would significant numbers of Aussies / Kiwis / Canadians come to the US as illegals and have all the hassle of that life? Those are rich countries, not remotely the same as El Salvador or Mexico, etc.

I could see eastern Europeans doing it, but again, I don’t sense that there are any vast numbers of them living here illegally

March 29, 2016: The United States has agreed to fund the multi-million-dollar project to install an electronic security surveillance system on Tunisia-Libyan border. The wall that Tunisia is erecting is set to keep off ISIS terrorists that have found haven in the neighboring Libya.

US Diplomatic mission to Tunisia said that the she would disburse the first installment of the $24.9 million project to strengthen the security along the frontier.

The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) awarded the contract to American construction group BTP and consulting and engineering firm AECOM.

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