Reuters - Fri Sep 23,11:08 AM ET A more than 27,000 year-old grave with the bodies of two babies is pictured near Krems in Lower Austria September 23, 2005.

Archaeologists of the Prehistoric Commission of the Austrian Academy of Scienses (OeAW) excavated the bodies which were covered with an omoplate of a mammoth. This is the oldest grave ever found in Austria. REUTERS/HO/OeAW Praehistorische Kommission

No, I am referring to the largest of the three well known pyramids at Ghiza.

If you mean the Great Pyramid of Giza, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, it most certainly is a tomb. It was also covered in the most beautiful marble at one time, most of which now covers floors and walls in Cairo.

Oh, I see, and your evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone came from that movie staring that Dances With Wolves guy? Right

It was a joke FRiend....however, believing that all the workers were just a bunch of union laborers, happily dragging 100 ton stones around the desert is slightly more than unbelievable and borders on ridiculous.

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posted on 09/24/2005 6:06:45 PM PDT
by Decepticon
(The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years......(NRA)

How different is the omoplate of one mammoth species from another? What other kinds of mammoths were there anyway besides woolly mammoths? Cottony? Leathery? Polyestery?

It will be interesting to see what else is discovered about the babies. Were they twins? Some cultures consider twins unlucky, but I don't know if any such cultures are known to have existed in Europe. Of course the date assigned to this burial is so much earlier than any historical European societies that it would be risky to assume cultural continuity.

Too much in that link to absorb at one sitting. The main point, I gather, is that prehistoric Europeans painted pictures of animals on cave walls and played flute music at them.

Some of the information may be good, but not all of it--I saw some statements which were dubious or definitely false. Kurdish is an Indo-European language so not related to Basque. The Etruscans had monogamous marriages--they did not behave like bonobos.

Sometime about 120,000 years ago, our ancestors stopped leaving their dead laying where they dropped, and began burying them underground. Why do you suppose they started this practice? What was their "reasoning?"

"There were slaves in Egypt, says Lehner, but the discovery that pyramid workers were fed like royalty buttresses other evidence that they were not slaves at all, at least in the modern sense of the word. Harvard's George Reisner found workers' graffiti early in the twentieth century that revealed that the pyramid builders were organized into labor units with names like "Friends of Khufu" or "Drunkards of Menkaure."

There is no evidence inside the great pyramid that it was ever intended or used as a tomb, and as I said, there are no Egyptian scripts or hieroglphics anywhere inside that pyramid, other than graffiti that Egyptian fortune hunters left.

There are modern names given to various passages and chambers in the Pyramid, but they they are all assumed labels that modern explorers gave them. There are no Egyptian descriptions of the great pyramid's construction at all, none that are contemporaneous with any of the historical dates given for its construction and nothing, nada, zip inside the Pyramid - unlike every other "tomb" of any size anywhere in Egypt.

The Pharoah Kufu tried to put his name on the great Pyramid, after his workmen could not figure out how to get into the center of the Pyramid. He tried to rewrite the Pyramid's history in what he had historans write at the time, but he failed to destroy the earlier histories that already referred to it long before his time.

Both the great Pyramid and the Sphinx are enigmas (their origins lost in history) and likely predate formal Egyptian history.

Interesting, note the top figure, the head appears to have a pointed cone shape above its head or was that the true shape of its head? Either its some hat or the head was that way at birth OR like some tribes purposely formed that way as a status the way some tribal women stretch their necks with layers of rings, etc.

No one is sure, and all is speculation, about the boats and "boat pit" found near the Pyramid.

There is no assurance that the boat was buried - as in "covered up", because the condition of the surrounding earth it was found in is the same as core samples of earth in many places around the pyramid; indicating some possibility that it was not buried, other than by time. That feature together with the fact that the base of the pyramid is lower than the base of the "boat" pit, and the clear sign of water erosion on the base of the Sphinx, provides some speculation that the Pyramid was once surrounded by a man made canal or moat running between the plateau the Pyramid sits on and a natural or man made lake that once surrounded the Sphynx.

When funery boats are associated with "tombs" they were not buried outside a "tomb" but placed in them.

There is also speculation that Kufu, having claimed the great Pyramid for himself in his time and long it was built, may have attempted to imitate his funery assemblenge outside the Pyramid - since he knew nothing of the inner chambers and had no way to "move" his funnery works into it.

Had the Pyramid been constructed as a "tomb" then the inner chambers and tunnels would have been decorated. During construction, the sides of the stones that would become the walls of the chambers and tunnels would have been carved by stone masons and Egyptian script and hieroglyphics painted on top of the carved surfaces, telling the life stories, adventures and conquests of the figure "buried" in the "tomb". The great pyramid has none of these attributes and no evidence inside that it ever did have such attributes. The total absence of these features makes it unlike any "tomb" of any noteworthy person in historical Egypt.

Another anomalie of the great Pyramid is that it exhibits two major features that seem contradictory to each other. From mathematical, engineering and astronomical perspectives the great Pyramid is far more advanced than any other human-engineered structure anywhere in Egypt, and yet it is among the oldest man-made structures in Egypt, and particularly older than all other Pyramid structures in Egypt. Usually advanced accomplishments of a culture come later, not sooner.

My apologies for the sudden burst of GGG pings. This is unusual, and has to do with my slowness after FairO' handed back the duties (due to having to get to a training early this morning), and isn't representative of the normal volume. This should be the last one (or close to it), although it appears first (the reason this disclaimer is shown here). Thank you.

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