Why bother making a hoax video and then go to the trouble of showing us how it's done.Most hoax videos are so fake and clearly very amateur, why make one so official and so real only to come out the following day and tell us it's fake. What a load of s**t.

Savannah wrote:MyBelovedMJ is not going to take this well. She was SO happy last night.Let's hope the video is still real...nothing has been proven yet.Who the heck is HelenaB over on the other site. She is saying THANK YOU...THANK YOU SO MUCH, and posted tons of smiley faces. Yes...real happy time right now! Pfff.

i looked at a few of HelenaB's posts and saw that she believes the real michael died years ago...in the post thriller era or whatever. that's enough for me to not take what she posts seriously.

oh ok lolll

WTF is she doing on MJHD if she believes he's dead. People like this bug me, they love to stir s**t.

Seriously do people actually believe he died years ago??? Then who the hell sings like Michael and dances like him not to mention looks like him all this time!!!!!!!!! I don't believe that crap.

I've been following all the comments on MJHD (and even made a somewhat nasty comment myself to Helena B. grrr) and most of the members are asking the same ??'s we are. If it was truly a hoax, then show us how you made it, introduce us to the MJ lookalike, show us the van, etc.

DISCLAIMER FOLKS: I didn't post this as gospel or like I believed, okay?? I lurk over there (sometimes comment, mostly not) and bring stuff over here for the real geniuses to debunk!

IWSICS wrote:I came on here last night absolutely gob-smacked about the news of this video. I watched it over, and over again. I am not one for believing videos like this one, but I have a good feeling about this one. I don't know why- I just do. Someone posted a link about the video at about 5pm, by 9pm there were 11 pages of replys- a new record maybe?! I've been out all day, very happy about MJ being alive (as we have proof now) and I come back and some jackass on a german site has said it is fake. Now, since when do WE believe one person? C'mon guys! Don't believe it, we have no idea who this person is. Another member on here also said that the website is one of the trashiest newspapers in Germany! How many times have we been in this sort of situation where we have to believe or not. JCC, man/woman at memorial, movie theories, drug alligations, Dr. Murray's true identity, memorial clues, 02 guy, doubles and so much more! Each and everytime we have been told we are crazy- but did that stop us? NO. Each and every time someone or something has tried to debunk our theories, our FAITH.. but did we stand for it then? NO WE DID NOT. So why are we doing it now? This could really be it (pardon the pun!) and we're letting some stranger tell us that it's not. Now sure, I don't know who made this- heck I don't even know 100% that it's real, but one thing I do know is that it was released for a reason and not for the one's we are being told! Now, why on earth would someone make this for conspiracy theroists? WHY?! They wouldn't. Plain and simple- it's totally pointless; why would someone rehearse for hours on end, get a pretty damn good lookalike (which would make a serious dent in their pockets also $$$) hire a L.A coroners van (which, I don't know but since when can you even hire them?!) get the exact same numberplate- which looks pretty real to me (and as I am 15 I have no idea about road laws, but isn't it ILLEGAL to drive around with a replicated number plate?) Thought so. This would have cost some serious $$$ to make, why oh why would someone bother to waste their time trying to fool the ''crazy ones?''. THEY WOULDN'T.

It's real, I think it was either leaked when it wasn't meant to (perhaps to early) and they had to cover their backs. But what I really think happened was that it got out, and some dumbass decided to say it was fake.We can't trust them. Thats all- by the way I am Paris Jackson (but please tell no one!) So tell me, could you really prove that I wasn't Paris? You couldn't on here- I could say that Michael is 1000000% alive because I have seen him! Wouldn't you want proof? Exactly!

Sorry that was so long, but this really pissed me off! Those assholes. Love and Hugs to you all; keep the faith everyone. We're getting close

Well said, I don't trust them at all. It's too official to be fake. Also why release it exactly 2 months after Michael died, I think this was a major clue for us. I'm sticking with my gut feeling.

BTW are you only 15? You're intelligent, I wish I could say I was this wise at 15 lol.

I wrote this on the other link...Guys Please Let This Be Real but I wanted to post it here as well. Just some words of encouragement!

Ok lets look at this another way. Say the video is fake and they can prove it. They still can not debunk so many of the other flaws that we have found in our research. So while they may think they are making fools of us, really they are not. We just go back to the drawing board and forget about this. We have plenty of information that proves that he is alive. Enough so, that we really don't need this video as evidence!!!!

i have a really hard time believing RTL is able to make a video like this. Given the crap they've reported "as a fact" over the years, uhm...... they need very convincing evidence to make me believe it's their doing. Look, yesterday we all asked "who recorded this?" Perhaps RTL saw the video, realized no one was gonna claim it as theirs, and decided to say "yup, we made it" - im sure they'll get lots of ratings for tomorow's show And all they pretty much have to say to convince the public is "look at this video. We made it. And then show a random journalist, and claim he made it.

Im not gonna rule this one as a fake, nor am i gonna say im convinced it's real. Im gonna wait with that until i see tomorrow's episode, and i suggest everyone here wait until they've watched the show before they start over this. Knowing RTL and their "journalism", going into detail about their sources and stuff is NOT their biggest ability.

oh, and RTL spends a huge amount of time, money and effort on making this video to fool the world, but decides to, but does not show it until tomorrow night in their special program? Hm…… I suppose there were way more important matters going on in the celebrity world today?

I honestly don't know what to mean about the video. It's exciting and I hope it's real, but I'm not sure.But how would RTL test the hoax-believers? Are they making a program about a few thousand people who believes Michael is alive? And how easily we can be fooled? It sounds a little thin to me..I do not think this is done by RTL. But hope someone sees it tomorrow and tell us about it.

I had posted on the original thread of this saying its real.....and the ONLY reason they now say its fake is because someone leaked it and they werent suppose to or it was leaked too early. And funny how its a GERMAN site (JCC clue- Germany is key)

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I had posted on the original thread of this saying its real.....and the ONLY reason they now say its fake is because someone leaked it and they werent suppose to or it was leaked too early. And funny how its a GERMAN site (JCC clue- Germany is key)I think its real too.

IWSICS wrote:I came on here last night absolutely gob-smacked about the news of this video. I watched it over, and over again. I am not one for believing videos like this one, but I have a good feeling about this one. I don't know why- I just do. Someone posted a link about the video at about 5pm, by 9pm there were 11 pages of replys- a new record maybe?! I've been out all day, very happy about MJ being alive (as we have proof now) and I come back and some jackass on a german site has said it is fake. Now, since when do WE believe one person? C'mon guys! Don't believe it, we have no idea who this person is. Another member on here also said that the website is one of the trashiest newspapers in Germany! How many times have we been in this sort of situation where we have to believe or not. JCC, man/woman at memorial, movie theories, drug alligations, Dr. Murray's true identity, memorial clues, 02 guy, doubles and so much more! Each and everytime we have been told we are crazy- but did that stop us? NO. Each and every time someone or something has tried to debunk our theories, our FAITH.. but did we stand for it then? NO WE DID NOT. So why are we doing it now? This could really be it (pardon the pun!) and we're letting some stranger tell us that it's not. Now sure, I don't know who made this- heck I don't even know 100% that it's real, but one thing I do know is that it was released for a reason and not for the one's we are being told! Now, why on earth would someone make this for conspiracy theroists? WHY?! They wouldn't. Plain and simple- it's totally pointless; why would someone rehearse for hours on end, get a pretty damn good lookalike (which would make a serious dent in their pockets also $$$) hire a L.A coroners van (which, I don't know but since when can you even hire them?!) get the exact same numberplate- which looks pretty real to me (and as I am 15 I have no idea about road laws, but isn't it ILLEGAL to drive around with a replicated number plate?) Thought so. This would have cost some serious $$$ to make, why oh why would someone bother to waste their time trying to fool the ''crazy ones?''. THEY WOULDN'T.

It's real, I think it was either leaked when it wasn't meant to (perhaps to early) and they had to cover their backs. But what I really think happened was that it got out, and some dumbass decided to say it was fake.We can't trust them. Thats all- by the way I am Paris Jackson (but please tell no one!) So tell me, could you really prove that I wasn't Paris? You couldn't on here- I could say that Michael is 1000000% alive because I have seen him! Wouldn't you want proof? Exactly!

Sorry that was so long, but this really pissed me off! Those assholes. Love and Hugs to you all; keep the faith everyone. We're getting close

Well said, I don't trust them at all. It's too official to be fake. Also why release it exactly 2 months after Michael died, I think this was a major clue for us. I'm sticking with my gut feeling.

BTW are you only 15? You're intelligent, I wish I could say I was this wise at 15 lol.

Thank you! Yes, you are right it is too official! And as many other members have said- there are many other fatal flaws to consider even if it is not real (which it is, but gotta' keep an open mind though!) And yeah im 15 aww thankyou, I get a bit passionate about things when people make me mad! =] lol

The problem i see with this… IS if this is FAKE, the person/tv show, who did this, is gonna make the coroner's office look bad. It's gonna look like the coroner's office was in on the prank - not good for their image. The person/tv show not only used a van from the corner or disguised it… But also used the license plate of the van MJ was in, and if you go to to youtube.com and look for the official video (posted by LOSAngelesCot 24), and view the video's Statistics and DATA, the guy gave 1104 N Mission Rd Los Angeles, CA 90033-1017, United states as the location to where he recorded this - and that address just happens to be the address of the LA coroner's office.If this is a fraud, if it was a prank video, the people, who made the video are gonna be in deep trouble.Someone please tell me how this can be a fake? What tv show would risk a lawsuit, illegally breaking the US law to proove a point, and would the LA coroner's office seriouly risk their reputation to take part in a prank for a german tv show?

THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:I had posted on the original thread of this saying its real.....and the ONLY reason they now say its fake is because someone leaked it and they werent suppose to or it was leaked too early. And funny how its a GERMAN site (JCC clue- Germany is key)

ballongiraf wrote:The problem i see with this… IS if this is FAKE, the person/tv show, who did this, is gonna make the coroner's office look bad. It's gonna look like the coroner's office was in on the prank - not good for their image. The person/tv show not only used a van from the corner or disguised it… But also used the license plate of the van MJ was in, and if you go to to youtube.com and look for the official video (posted by LOSAngelesCot 24), and view the video's Statistics and DATA, the guy gave 1104 N Mission Rd Los Angeles, CA 90033-1017, United states as the location to where he recorded this - and that address just happens to be the address of the LA coroner's office.If this is a fraud, if it was a prank video, the people, who made the video are gonna be in deep trouble.Someone please tell me how this can be a fake? What tv show would risk a lawsuit, illegally breaking the US law to proove a point, and would the LA coroner's office seriouly risk their reputation to take part in a prank for a german tv show?

ballongiraf wrote:The problem i see with this… IS if this is FAKE, the person/tv show, who did this, is gonna make the coroner's office look bad. It's gonna look like the coroner's office was in on the prank - not good for their image. The person/tv show not only used a van from the corner or disguised it… But also used the license plate of the van MJ was in, and if you go to to youtube.com and look for the official video (posted by LOSAngelesCot 24), and view the video's Statistics and DATA, the guy gave 1104 N Mission Rd Los Angeles, CA 90033-1017, United states as the location to where he recorded this - and that address just happens to be the address of the LA coroner's office.If this is a fraud, if it was a prank video, the people, who made the video are gonna be in deep trouble.Someone please tell me how this can be a fake? What tv show would risk a lawsuit, illegally breaking the US law to proove a point, and would the LA coroner's office seriouly risk their reputation to take part in a prank for a german tv show?

think about it....

what is illegal by doing that?

what's illegal? YOu cant just borrow the governments' cars, facilities etc to make a fraud video. You need a PRETTY DARN GOOD REASON for that. IF the coroner's office is NOT in on RTL's prank, it's illegal for RTL to fake a car to look like a coroner's van, and if the coroner's office IS in on the prank, it's illegal for them to borrow their cars to random german tv journalists.....

okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

that's what i think too, and jugding by explosiv's previous shows and "exclusives", it's not a far-fetched theory either.If they truly have this breaking news "we made the video" scoop, then why are they waiting until tomorrow to show us? Why is it not on RTL's home page? And why was it not mentioned in today's previews of tomorrow's shows?

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

Tomorrow they can try and convince me but as far as I'm concerned they can't just say they made it without FACTS and PROOF. If it turns out it was them I hope the Jackson family sue them for emotional distress!

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***

Bertelsmann Music Group (BMG) was sold to Sony Music in 2008, however leaving marketing for some 200 songs with BMG.Well what do you know...another Sony connection. Michael left Sony but stated that he was leaving owning a large portion (can't remember the exact amount). Maybe he is using his connection to Sony at this time. If BMG is connected with Sony maybe Michael is in Germany and did this himself...Just a passing thought.

but where they talk about it and where is the video ?I really don't understand a word in german.....

This link was posted by dunno who is a German member on MJDH. According to this person, the German tv channel RTL is supposed to talk about it at 6PM tomorrow night.

!!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Yes, tomorrow on RTL - I hope I can find time to watch (or I will program the video recorder...)

I don't want to hurt anyone - BUT:

I don't know if RTL jumps on a running train or leaked this video - we'll see tomorrow...BUT: you need: a FORD van (yes, you can get them in Germany ), stickers (no prob), a faked car sign (no prob), two persons - one walking like MJ, a basement garage, a camera and the knowledge how the coroner cars look like in LA (no prob - there was a video)...forgot anything???

No big deal for a TV channel...

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Ah i see the message: We must keep things factual,be objective,check-check-doublecheck and so on.But compliments on the prank! We have been punked.( but eh..the youtubevid with the dude on 2.20 who removes something from the licenseplate...i just don't know..if its fake...i take a second look)

phoenix wrote:okay i am just going to post my prediction on the german show tomorrow: there is not going to be a making of the video. i bet some guys with covered faces going to talk about how they faked it but they not going to show ANYTHING... if this is going to be that way than RTL is talking s***