"Being human, having your health; that's what's important."(from: Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi )"As long as we're all living, and as long as we're all having fun, that should do it, right?"(from: The Eccentric Family )

I can't think of a single thing in the comment to support such an outlandish theory...

Dora/Bus is more likely, and a lot less firmly in Bearhat territory.

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I think Sven would have behaved in a similar fashion towards Dora even before his fabled 'Jerkass Revelation.' Sven's problem is a similar one that I've noticed for a lot of people who simply have things always "go their way." They don't realize how strongly people can be hurt by things, because somebody like Sven will typically know that things will get better before too long. His disappointment with Faye is a new one, but it certainly helps him have some perspective for how other people feel.

And I sarcastically misunderstood the unreferenced pronoun—sadly, sarcasm breeds like maggots. Anyway, as much as I'm not Sven's frantic fan, he's nowhere near that level of mouthbreathing assholery yet.

I think Sven would have behaved in a similar fashion towards Dora even before his fabled 'Jerkass Revelation.' Sven's problem is a similar one that I've noticed for a lot of people who simply have things always "go their way." They don't realize how strongly people can be hurt by things, because somebody like Sven will typically know that things will get better before too long. His disappointment with Faye is a new one, but it certainly helps him have some perspective for how other people feel.

Probably as succinct a statement of Sven's character or lack thereof as I've seen. The only thing I'd change is "typically know" to "assumes," and I'd add "without any real effort being exerted by themselves or others." I do think Sven has potential to be a really good person to know—we saw a little of that when he was supporting Faye before sex got in the way. But many things fly past his ear (him being too tall for them to pass over his noggin), and when Sven does notice a problem, he's got no staying power.* Sometimes that can be worse than not helping at all.

I really, really want Jeph to toss the guy into the crucible, and I think Dora is perfectly capable of dragging him into hers—if she actually goes in herself. We'll see, I suppose.

*waiting for someone to chip in "outside of the sack" or some variation.

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I think Sven would have behaved in a similar fashion towards Dora even before his fabled 'Jerkass Revelation.' Sven's problem is a similar one that I've noticed for a lot of people who simply have things always "go their way." <snip>

The thing about people who have things seemingly always "go their way" is, it ultimately ends at some point in time.

I think it ended when Faye walked out on Sven after the Riversmith situation.

Idle speculation:Faye is, apparently, out with Angus right now. If she returns home and finds Hannelore babysitting an increasinly drunk and depressed Marten, she might not want to stick around and get in on the pity-party, especially if Marten's not being very good company right now. And if she leaves, we don't need three guesses as to where she's likely to end up if not at her own apartment. So, potentially good news for Angus?

Fixed that first part. Seriously, I give Sven credit for this and all the other demonstrations of being a real person lately, but I suspect Sven-boy's going to get really tested soon, and I want to see how he comes through that before I stamp the DHB on his forehead. Which, for some reason, seems to have shrunk in this strip.

Angus may profit, but I do hope you're not inferring he thrives on others' misfortunes. He doesn't seem to be that sort of fellow to me. Nor is Faye, for all her abrasiveness and frequent dickery, a bailer. Except, of course, on herself—always on herself.

Ehhh, I'll give you that Sven may not have levelled up into "Decent Human Being" yet, but he began that process a ways back. Arguably, like you pointed out, this goes back his supporting Faye before they had sex. And despite the Gina Riversmith thing - which was complete dickheadishness on his part - he seemed pretty good to Faye. He's been getting better since then, at any rate. Enough to at least grant him the Empathy (level one) ability, I think.

Oh, I'm not saying that Angus is that sort of person by any means! I'm just saying that while the comic is currently focusing on Marten and Hannelore's Bogus Adventure, Faye and Angus have to be somewhere. Faye might conclude that her company won't cheer Marten up, or she might think that Hannelore has things under control, or she might not want to stay in the world's most depressing apartment, or take your pick of a bunch of things that would mean Faye doesn't want to hang out at her place tonight. And while Angus wouldn't be happy at Marten's misery - hell, he'd probably feel bad about it, given that he seems to like Marten - well, this isn't even a "Lemons to Lemonade" scenario. This is the hot girl he's dating wanting to stay at his place rather than her own. Sometimes, when God gives you a gift, you don't need to analyse it to death or feel guilty about where it came from, you just give a quick prayer of thanks and enjoy it.

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Oh, I'm not saying that Angus is that sort of person by any means! I'm just saying that while the comic is currently focusing on Marten and Hannelore's Bogus Adventure, Faye and Angus have to be somewhere. Faye might conclude that her company won't cheer Marten up, or she might think that Hannelore has things under control, or she might not want to stay in the world's most depressing apartment, or take your pick of a bunch of things that would mean Faye doesn't want to hang out at her place tonight. And while Angus wouldn't be happy at Marten's misery - hell, he'd probably feel bad about it, given that he seems to like Marten - well, this isn't even a "Lemons to Lemonade" scenario. This is the hot girl he's dating wanting to stay at his place rather than her own. Sometimes, when God gives you a gift, you don't need to analyse it to death or feel guilty about where it came from, you just give a quick prayer of thanks and enjoy it.

Idk, if I walked in to find my best friend drunk and horrifically depressed... HOW COULD I LEAVE?

I mean seriously, what kind of best friend would walk out on that? That is worse to me than every thing we've seen Sven do in the comic combined.

"I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." - Charles Babbage

Oh, I'm not saying that Angus is that sort of person by any means! I'm just saying that while the comic is currently focusing on Marten and Hannelore's Bogus Adventure, Faye and Angus have to be somewhere. Faye might conclude that her company won't cheer Marten up, or she might think that Hannelore has things under control, or she might not want to stay in the world's most depressing apartment, or take your pick of a bunch of things that would mean Faye doesn't want to hang out at her place tonight.

Might think Hannelore has it under control? She might not even know Hannelore is with Marten, if Hanners was waiting for him outside the library and went to the liquor store and then home with him, which the first panel of 1812 seems to imply. If Faye knew Hanners was all alone with a depressed bourbon-drunk Marten she'd drop whatever she was doing and bolt home. Not out of fear that something romantic would happen between them (I'll eat my underwear if it does), but because she wouldn't want Hanners to have to deal with that on her own.

We have no evidence Faye's even with Angus right now, other than his visit to the shop earlier; I still contend that Faye's closing up at CoD. She wouldn't go on a date with her new boyfriend when her BFF just got dumped hard.

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I give Sven credit for this and all the other demonstrations of being a real person lately

Another person complained about people not treating Sven as a real human being.

I know what you both meant, and so does everyone else, but when you step back a few paces and look at it it's kind of funny.

To be perfectly honest, what I meant was "Please don't flame me, bro*, for waxing critical about this character you've got the warm and fuzzies about." All the QC cast are about as 'real' to me as Beowulf, Ayla, Willy Loman, Hamlet, The Batman, Congorilla, The Misfit, and Quentin Compson. I'm in the habit of talking about those pieces of feverish imagination as if they were real, too. Of course, if you buy into Heinlein's 'Number of the Beast,' I suppose they are, someT, someTau, someTeh. As the song goes:

someTeh out thereAlong the far someTauSomeone's reading of meIn a bad novel

And if I could get at the novelist, I'd give her such a kickin'!

(Okay, maybe Congorilla's not so real. I mean, there are limits, aren't there?)

*No, I don't mean Tergon

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The *squick* level Jeph feels about this forum... it comes from one very simple place.

Here we are, analysing his characters like crazy, sometimes with insight, sometimes with hindsight, sometimes with no sight at all. Hey, they're just characters, right? Not even real!

Except they are real. I had the feeling Marten was a surrogate for Jeph himself when I first started the comic, but I think to a certain extent, all his characters are. Hanners and her neroses, Faye's violent tendencies, Dora's insecurities, Marten's aimlessness - all are facets of Jeph's own character. Some of them he's overcome, some still plague him, but regardless, how would you feel watching people pick apart the bits of your soul that you bare in the name of art?

Must drive the poor guy nuts. No wonder he hates visiting in here.

Mind you, I'm not gonna stop trying to put together all the little puzzle pieces of his characters. But I think I understand where he's coming from a little better.

For the record, a gallon of white vinegar into 47 gallons of water in a 50 gallon tank will quite handily zombify goldfish.

I hope and pray this never becomes a necessary piece of knowledge for anyone

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When you're a kid, they tell you it's all "grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better!

Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble". --Tergon

What does it say about me that when I read "NECROMANCY" my brain automatically clicked on "NECROPHILIA?"

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Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble". --Tergon

The *squick* level Jeph feels about this forum... it comes from one very simple place.

Here we are, analysing his characters like crazy, sometimes with insight, sometimes with hindsight, sometimes with no sight at all. Hey, they're just characters, right? Not even real!

Except they are real. I had the feeling Marten was a surrogate for Jeph himself when I first started the comic, but I think to a certain extent, all his characters are. Hanners and her neroses, Faye's violent tendencies, Dora's insecurities, Marten's aimlessness - all are facets of Jeph's own character. Some of them he's overcome, some still plague him, but regardless, how would you feel watching people pick apart the bits of your soul that you bare in the name of art?

Must drive the poor guy nuts. No wonder he hates visiting in here.

Mind you, I'm not gonna stop trying to put together all the little puzzle pieces of his characters. But I think I understand where he's coming from a little better.

But Jeph isn't just projecting himself into the story. I really cannot agree with that, and I don't think that's what Carl-E was saying.

What he's saying is (correct me if I'm wrong, Carl-E), as a writer, Jeph puts something of his soul into each character he creates, because, well, shit, it's hard to help that if you're a fiction writer. You can create completely original people, whose lives are not yours, who have nothing to do with you, but they carry some spark of your person in their being. There's something of an author in his characters.

And watching other people get it wrong about, or, God forbid, screw around beyond the point of good taste, with your characters? That can't be easy for a dude. So, as Carl-E said, no wonder Jeph hates this place.

Tank population was, I believe, 7 at the time. So far the biggest goldfish on record in that tank was over a foot long, estimated 6 lbs. I am Trying to zombify zero.

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When you're a kid, they tell you it's all "grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better!

When you say "goldfish," I think little orange fish about two inches long.

What your describing I would call a "carp."

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Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble". --Tergon

*shrug* they started less than 3/4 of an inch long. The only difference between a 'carp' and a 'goldfish' is an evolution st, I mean, about a half dozen leve, no, wait, time.

That's the ticket.

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When you're a kid, they tell you it's all "grow up. Get a job. Get married. Get a house. Have a kid, and that's it. But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. It's so much darker. And so much madder. And so much better!

...too easy to kill. - 15 (24.2%)...cute when they're swimming around in an aquarium. - 7 (11.3%)...passe. I have Butterfly fish and Angel fish and... - 1 (1.6%)...not my cup of tea. - 8 (12.9%)...REALLY hard to swallow, even on a dare. - 4 (6.5%)...something I wouldn't give my five-year-old. - 6 (9.7%)...something I had on my old copy of After Dark. - 2 (3.2%)...pretty to look at, but I wouldn't want to care for them. - 10 (16.1%)...going to get this forum NUKED, NUKED I say! - 9 (14.5%)

1. (by Jeph): "In the beginning, there was Randy. And when the last proton in the universe finally winks out of existence, trillions of trillions of years from now, Randy will be there to witness its decay." So Randy is the counterpart to The Winslow of Phil & Kaja Foglio's comic: Buck Godot? (another hilarious series of old , by web-comic standards)

2. Hope the Miss Reed story-arc starts next week, after this week of filler/prep.

3. For prior comics this week: I am glad that Hannelore is staying with Marten while during his drinking, and clearly only lightly drinking. Would that I had more friends like that during my own darker times in my younger days.

4. Also for prior comics, while Pintsize's gag was funny, I do think it was over the line even for him. Had it been me, I might have smashed the bottle on Pintisize and soaked his circuits in booze rather than chug from the bottle. But obviously that would not be a funny gag.

5. Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post. /highfive St.Clair

*shrug* they started less than 3/4 of an inch long. The only difference between a 'carp' and a 'goldfish' is an evolution st, I mean, about a half dozen leve, no, wait, time.

That's the ticket.

Not that much time, really. The only thing keeping a goldfish from attaining carpdom seems to be the size of the 'tank' and, possibly, skin color. I've seen 'bait' goldfish that got loose in a pay-to-fish catfish farm, and they weren't not exactly teeny. Unless a foot and a half is teeny to you. I was told that one was by far not the largest one in there, and the guy who owned the ponds drug the thing every so often.

Meanwhile…Over in Locus, Xel'Duum has just come back from the Realms of the Dead—over here, to the mortal coil returns Randy, the dread… the dread… semi 'special' goddam bandicoot.

ANYHOW…Can it be a coincidence? I mean, Adam's been building to this for years, so…So probably.

On another front:Yes, Carl, I realized that some time ago. But I just can't help myself, although I do draw the line at speculating on the origins of the motifs, for example, that I see in QC. I have standards, believe it or not.

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I voted for silence, but I think there should be a "denial" option up there in the poll. I can easily see Dora going to the therapist and saying, "I don't really think this is a big thing, but my friends made me come and..."

And I also wonder about the numbering (#1816 vs #1815). I suspect typo, but it's hard to tell.

I thought that too, but the filler text is specific for today - but he might just have got confused, as he drew both comics before going.

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"Being human, having your health; that's what's important."(from: Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi )"As long as we're all living, and as long as we're all having fun, that should do it, right?"(from: The Eccentric Family )

I voted for silence, but I think there should be a "denial" option up there in the poll. I can easily see Dora going to the therapist and saying, "I don't really think this is a big thing, but my friends made me come and..."

And I also wonder about the numbering (#1816 vs #1815). I suspect typo, but it's hard to tell.

Personally, I think that's covered by "fear." We deny what we're afraid of, for it must not be.

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