Apparently after the first Moorer fight when he had shoulder/heart problems, his symptoms were said to be very consistent with HGH use. All they did was ask him if he used HGH. He said no, and that was that.

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Originally Posted by AKATheMack

Yea, but hes not all that bright. Have you heard him speak lately?

i know i shouldn't talk **** since he did show a lot of heart in fights and put on some great fights......

Improved? Yes. 1231 punches thrown? Has nothing to do with improvement.

how come it doesn't? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that Pac trains harder now than he did back then. Matter of a fact, back in the day he wasn't even taking his career serious.

Fact is Pac, Floyd,and the Klitschko brothers are the hardest training boxers in the sport by far. No one puts in work like them, and if guys like Tony, Diaz and others, who don't even come close to working as hard on their cardio as pac can throw that many punches, why is it hard to believe Pac threw that many without being on something?

how come it doesn't? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that Pac trains harder now than he did back then. Matter of a fact, back in the day he wasn't even taking his career serious.

Fact is Pac Floyd and the Klitschko brothers are the hardest training boxers in the sport by far. No one puts in work like them and if guys like Tony, Diaz and others who don't even come close to working on their cardio can throw that many punches, why cant pac who trains twice as hard?

actually it doesn't have to be any improvement at all.

pac always threw a lot. he was throwing 90-100 punches a round against barrera in the 1st fight too back in 2003.

that was with a guy punching back.

a lot of boxers can throw 1200 punches when the opponent isn't fighting back.

pac always threw a lot. he was throwing 90-100 punches a round against barrera in the 1st fight too back in 2003.

that was with a guy punching back.

a lot of boxers can throw 1200 punches when the opponent isn't fighting back.

When I brought up improvement, I mean in conditioning and workout regiment. Everyone knows Pac trains way harder than he did back in the day as noted by countless or other boxers, reporters and others who either visit or train in the Wild Card gym. They all say the same thing, so for me that is enough of an explanation as to why Pac has increased stamina.

When I brought up improvement, I mean in conditioning and workout regiment. Everyone knows Pac trains way harder than he did back in the day as noted by countless or other boxers, reporters and others who either visit or train in the Wild Card gym. They all say the same thing, so for me that is enough of an explanation as to why Pac has increased stamina.

i think he always trained hard.

only difference is he takes it more seriously than when he was younger.

i remember when he'd be at pool halls or partying late into the night in his younger days.