Someone want to explain to me how these folks died?

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Were they driving the same smart car as Michael Hastings?

Any reports of explosions or just the initial crash?

I thought about Michael Hastings, too. He was driving a 2013 Mercedes and there were reports that he had said he was afraid to drive his own car. He
thought it had been tampered with. I guess we'll never know.

BTW, the vehicle that went out of control at high speed and hit the car of Vladimir Putin's chauffeur (Putin was not in it at the time) was also a
Mercedes.

You seem to know a lot about this crash. You know for certain, for example, that people in HoAs always obey the speed limit. But I'm here to tell you
that in the last HoA I visited people drove down the main road, with a speed limit of 25mph, at least 50 mph without a care in the world. So much for
that idea. You know for certain that the guy did not "just crash" into a wall. He could not POSSIBLY have had a medical emergency, for example. You
know for certain this was a dry road with curves and conclude he was not going fast. You don't know any of that and the fact is, accidents happen on
curves often enough. Or are you just jumping to conclusions and making up stuff as you go along? The fact is, you DO NOT KNOW the details of this
crash, but because t was after the shooting you're making stuff up. What you are doing at this point is promulgating FAKE NEWS. You're letting your
imagination run away with you. You don't know #.

You seem to know a lot about this crash. You know for certain, for example, that people in HoAs always obey the speed limit. But I'm here to tell you
that in the last HoA I visited people drove down the main road, with a speed limit of 25mph, at least 50 mph without a care in the world. So much for
that idea. You know for certain that the guy did not "just crash" into a wall. He could not POSSIBLY have had a medical emergency, for example. You
know for certain this was a dry road with curves and conclude he was not going fast. You don't know any of that and the fact is, accidents happen on
curves often enough. Or are you just jumping to conclusions and making up stuff as you go along? The fact is, you DO NOT KNOW the details of this
crash, but because t was after the shooting you're making stuff up. What you are doing at this point is promulgating FAKE NEWS. You're letting your
imagination run away with you. You don't know #.

i find replies like this interesting aswell, cause the very same logic can be applied to yourself. so what do u want people to just shut up about this
incident and not talk about it at all? do u realize what website we are on and what the core if it is about? comn people you gotta be smarter then
this

originally posted by: jaws1975
I'm getting at the fact that everything about the LV shooting has been smoke and mirrors, did you watch the kids say those things about their parents,
how do you know that they even said that?

i find replies like this interesting aswell, cause the very same logic can be applied to yourself. so what do u want people to just shut up about this
incident and not talk about it at all? do u realize what website we are on and what the core if it is about? comn people you gotta be smarter then
this

well that would be better than jumping straight to wild a@@ conspiracy theories, playing like expert forensic investigators stating that this or this
couldn't happen instead of looking for simple logical explanations.

That’s the MO on this site. You post a benign story saying that it seems off. Not suggesting that it’s a conspiracy or anything and then one guy
slams the poster and proclaims, IT ISNT A CONSPIRACY and then all of his colleagues...I mean, I mean, random people who don’t know each other (eye
roll) back them up with zero proof that it ISN’T a conspiracy.

It’s an insult to our intelligence that we aren’t supposed to notice the noticeable OCEAN techniques bc that is exactly what it is. I’m sure
there’s a fifth grade forum for morons who might fall for it but not on ATS. It’s almost laughable.

That’s the MO on this site. You post a benign story saying that it seems off. Not suggesting that it’s a conspiracy or anything and then one guy
slams the poster and proclaims, IT ISNT A CONSPIRACY and then all of his colleagues...I mean, I mean, random people who don’t know each other (eye
roll) back them up with zero proof that it ISN’T a conspiracy.

I read the vegas shooter set up cameras in the hallway around his room.
Stockpiled various assault rifles.
He removed sections of hurricane resistant glass and maintained a sustained stream of automatic fire for 11mins over 500ft killing and wounding
innocent people.
All for no reason.

But on the night of Oct. 16, the couple’s younger daughter, 16-year-old Madison Carver, heard a loud bang outside her window. When she ran down the
street and rounded the corner, a familiar vehicle engulfed in flames came into view. Dennis, 52, and Lorraine, 53, had died together less than half a
mile from their home.

Loud bang outside window but had to run down the street and round the corner to see the car "come into view" in flames????

According to the Riverside County Fire Department, their vehicle crashed into a metal gate outside their community at 10:50 p.m. on the 20000 block of
Avenida De Arboles. It took firefighters nearly an hour to completely put out the fire, the department said in a statement.

Story is inconsistent.
Girl has very good hearing or this crash was an explosion....and that doesn't happen driving into gates.

I find this suspicious too:
A week after the fatal crash, another item carrying memories of their 52-year-old father showed up on their doorstep. During the confusion of the
shooting, he had lost his phone, but a Las Vegas FBI agent promised to ship the phone to him.
“When we turned it on, all his photos and messages were still there,” Brooke said.

True none of it made sense from the very beginning, and most probably never will.

As with most great all-time Conspiracies, I lose interest fast in things that get muddied by people who have zero proof but fight to the death for
what they think they know. It becomes very frustrating to me so I bailed out of the Las Vegas shooting gallery and will patiently wait until it all
gets put together and proven one way or another.

I'd be more interested to know if they were in -any- way conducting their own style of investigation after the fact. Or if they made any particular
claims about what they witnessed during the shooting. If no in both cases, I'd find it odd they were targeted by wicked powers-that-be simply because
they were there.

There were some 22 thousand people at the concert. Why would they be singled out after the fact? The odds of being in a crash are surprisingly low. I
imagine that more than that couple have been involved in car crashes after the shooting. The fire is weird, certainly - but need more info. Did they
try to literally put out the fire for an hour and they couldn't because of the type of fire? Or did it take them a while to even get there, and once
they did, was there concerns about putting out the fire which delayed it? Need more info!

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