xanadian:If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

scottydoesntknow:Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

hardinparamedic:scottydoesntknow: Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

FTFA: "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."

WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.

Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer. Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.

Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!

Somacandra:FTFA: "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."

[i.imgur.com image 450x358]WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.[i.imgur.com image 500x333]

Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer. Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.

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Burlington's Boy Scout Troop 103 Marches in July 4th Parade, 2011.==

Hypocrites, much?

I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

TuteTibiImperes:I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States. The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

scottydoesntknow:xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

Is that a gay dad with his cub scout son, or an angry straight dad that is angry the BSA now allows gays? It's so hard to tell by looking these days, you know?

Somacandra:FTFA: "It has always been BSA's policy that no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," the letter said. "You and others are welcome to participate in the parade as supportive citizens but not as uniformed members of the BSA."

WINNETKA, ILLINOIS - JULY 4: A troop of Boy Scouts marches in a Fourth of July Parade on July 4, 2007 with unidentified spectators in the background in WINNETKA, ILLINOIS.

Cub Scout Pack 34 sponsored by Grace-St. Luke's Episcopal Church has had a very busy summer. Pack 34 family members started the summer with a service project at the National Cemetery helping to place flags on the graves of our veterans for Memorial Day.

Burlington's Boy Scout Troop 103 Marches in July 4th Parade, 2011.==

Hypocrites, much?

Probably meant "social agenda that we don't like." Some people stop talking before they've finished saying what they mean, or they'll just create double standards as they see fit.

hardinparamedic:scottydoesntknow: Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

Somacandra:TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States. The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US? That's taking a pretty big leap IMO. Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda. To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either. Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.

TuteTibiImperes:Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States. The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US? That's taking a pretty big leap IMO. Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda. To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either. Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.

Sooooo... what about the pic up above that shows them at a GOP Rally? Care to white knight that one?

Benevolent Misanthrope:TuteTibiImperes: Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: I do believe that they're using the 'no political agenda' thing as smokescreen because of anti-gay bias, but Independence Day parades and honoring fallen veterans aren't inherently political. Patriotism != political bias.

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Do you not know your American history? Try telling that to Frederick Douglass or any Amerindian leader in the United States. The only reason you consider it non-political is that its fits within your personal political comfort zone.

So Independence Day is political because in our past various minorities were oppressed/enslaved in the US? That's taking a pretty big leap IMO. Part of the Boy Scout Oath is duty to country, which implies some degree of patriotism.

The celebration of Independence Day and the honoring of veterans aren't contentious political issues, and like I mentioned, I'd hesitate to consider the issue of Independence Day to be a political issue at all (in terms of veterans, particularly vehement anti-war activists may feel that serving in the military is not an honorable action, but most of those people would be considered on the fringe today).

What it all comes down to is that neither celebrating Independence Day nor honoring veterans would be interpreted by any rational person as promoting a political agenda. To be fair, I wouldn't consider marching in a gay pride parade to be promoting a political agenda either. Basic human rights and equality aren't inherently political.

Sooooo... what about the pic up above that shows them at a GOP Rally? Care to white knight that one?

hardinparamedic:Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!

Don't forget that their ruining the soil by building landing strips for gay martians.

That's why I like you, Stuart. You're not like other people here in the trailer park.

Glitchwerks:hardinparamedic: Actually, I'm proud of these people for standing up for WHAT IS RIGHT and keeping the scourge of homosexuality from tainting their children. It is a 100% scientific fact that all gays molest children and are pedophiles, and the bible - which scientists AGREE is the undisputed historical fact - even says that homosexuality is an unnatural abomination. Do you know what those gays do? They stick it where you poop from! No God-fearing, heterosexual Christian of God would ever do that kind of thing with their wife!

Only by voting Republican can we get rid of these godless, satan-worshipping fiends. God Bless America!

Don't forget that their ruining the soil by building landing strips for gay martians.

That's why I like you, Stuart. You're not like other people here in the trailer park.

it said Salt Lake City, not Des Moines, Iowa . .. i think this is more about an anti-Mormon Church protest.

scottydoesntknow:xanadian: If my son didn't enjoy scouting so much, I'd be VERY tempted to pull him from it...

That's ok, plenty of parents on the other side have already yanked their kids out BECAUSE they had the audacity to allow gay youth to participate. Like this upstanding father:

He was perfectly content with making his kid cry to try and make a political statement. He didn't even tell his son why they left, only that the BSA wasn't "honoring their own law."

Another parent explained to their kid that it goes against God's law, so the kid now thinks that the BSA vote to allow gay youth in was actually a vote to go for or against honoring God: "It was between honor and God, and not honoring God. And [not] honoring God got more votes."

We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

bigstoopidbruce:We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

9/10. Should not have mentioned that you're not a troll, thats a giveaway.

Unknown_Poltroon:"no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "St patricks day.[ww1.hdnux.com image 628x418]Accepting donations from NRA[www.nrablog.com image 620x400]

Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath. It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity. In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members. A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.

TuteTibiImperes:Unknown_Poltroon: "no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "St patricks day.[ww1.hdnux.com image 628x418]Accepting donations from NRA[www.nrablog.com image 620x400]

Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath. It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity. In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members. A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.

I would tend to agree, however, they cant pick and choose they're parades if they're going to start spouting of about not supporting agendas.

In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members. A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

And now they're welcoming of gay scouts, so its time to STFU about the gay pride parade, or stop marching in any parade that mentions religion or ethnicity. After all, these guys were only showing support for other scouts by marching.

bigstoopidbruce:We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

Post Office √Grocery shopping √Pick up laundry at the cleaners √Make cookies for the Church of Satan bake sale √Teach Boy Scouts that teh gheys aren't scumSeduce straight men into a life of sin by proposing marriage

bigstoopidbruce:We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

Living up to your fark handle, I see. Oh, and I'm old enough that for my entire scouting experience (7 years back in the 60's) the BSA were officially racially segregated. That's right, local councils had the right to ban blacks, Asians, Jews, whomever they didn't want...just like now with gays. It wasn't until 1974 that the BSA officially integrated by changing their bylaws to prohibit racial segregation.

Unknown_Poltroon:TuteTibiImperes: Unknown_Poltroon: "no person, youth or adult may use Scouting to promote sexual orientation or any other political or social agenda," "St patricks day.[ww1.hdnux.com image 628x418]Accepting donations from NRA[www.nrablog.com image 620x400]

Celebrating Irish or Puerto Rican heritage isn't exactly an agenda, other than the support of diversity which isn't a contentious issue - diversity is a good thing and one of the things our country was founded on.

The Boy Scouts have never shied away from their connection with religion, and God is mentioned in the Boy Scout Oath. It does not, however, strictly define itself to Christianity. In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members. A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

The RNC color-guard aspect however seems to violate the thing about not advocating a political agenda.

I would tend to agree, however, they cant pick and choose they're parades if they're going to start spouting of about not supporting agendas.

In fact, the Boy Scouts are welcoming of Islamic members, and Jewish members. A predominantly Christian troop taking part in an Easter or Christmas parade shouldn't be an issue.

And now they're welcoming of gay scouts, so its time to STFU about the gay pride parade, or stop marching in any parade that mentions religion or ethnicity. After all, these guys were only showing support for other scouts by marching.

I agree with you, I have no issue with them marching in a gay pride parade.

gerbilpox:What exactly is in this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? Something like this?

Post Office √Grocery shopping √Pick up laundry at the cleaners √Make cookies for the Church of Satan bake sale √Teach Boy Scouts that teh gheys aren't scumSeduce straight men into a life of sin by proposing marriage

bigstoopidbruce:We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

The last two sentences gave me the impression that you were going to kill yourself.

bigstoopidbruce:We're not into scouting; it's too time-consuming. But I have lots of friends who are Baptists, Mormons, and Catholics who are serious about scouting. They're all leaving. And I don't blame them. The BSA have made a serious mistake. They have gained nothing except more bashing from queers, who will not be happy until they can openly sleep with little boys in the woods. They haven't added one scout to their ranks, they have compromised with their most basic tenets, and they have alientated millions of members and supporters. This is 100% fail.

There is no point in responding to my post, I'm not going to check back to see who I have offended. I don't care what you think. I'm not a troll, I'm just sick of living in a sick world where it's OK to target little boys. I leave you all to your fate.

At least you named yourself well bigstoopidbruce. I don't know how big you are but you are certainly stupid if you believe any of what you wrote (wouldn't have responded but since you say you aren't a troll and really believe that stuff), YOU are what is wrong with America.