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Impeach Bush’ — Not Just for Bumper Stickers Anymore

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by samuel, Stanford,
on Jun 11, 2008

It's far more likely that Rep. Dennis Kucinich will see another UFO than see his new impeachment effort succeed
Proving that he's not one to be outdone by the colorful rear end of some 1997 Volvo station wagon, Congressman (and first-ever Venutian-American to run for president) Dennis Kucinich has filed articles of impeachment against President George W. Bush.

The Sun-Sentinel adds that Kucinich's bill charges the President with the "Illegal use of torture during interrogation, the authorization of a warrantless wiretapping program on American citizens."

Now, I'm against the use of torture, starting with the fact that as Americans, we're supposed to be better than that.
But when a total of three non-Geneva-protected prisoners, in a raging war zone, were threatened with fake drowning for a total of less than a minute, and valuable intelligence was obtained… well, that's not exactly up there with Jimmy Carter's abandonment of 52 American hostages to the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 1979.

But what about the current Democratic majority in Congress? Couldn't they make Bush election issue by holding hearing on Kucinich's false charges all through the summer and fall? Not likely. The Politico's John Bresnahan reports that even San Francisco's Nancy Pelosi has stated flatly that impeachment is "off the table."

Shame on Pelosi for not impeaching Bush. We could have avoided a lot of the problems we have now - high oil, deregulation, hedge funds gone wild, bothced Katrina response, laughing stock of world, and a coming Great Depression.

Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 11, 2008 at 4:48 pm

Not quite. Although Kucinich's prospects of actually impeaching Bush are on the zero side of infinitesimal (after all, nobody has accused Bush of committing any titillating acts), this will let Kucinich insert the indictment into the Congresional Record and preserve it for history. Plus, Kucinich can rightfully claim he took concrete action for the good of his country.

Posted by Carioca
a resident of College Terrace
on Jun 12, 2008 at 8:20 am

The Bush/Cheney impeachment should have taken place a long time ago. Shae on Nancy Pelosi for taking it off the table. Since they will be out of office in 7 months, I'm much more concerned with the war crimes issue. Through the services of John Yoo, who himself will be soon indicted in Europe for war crimes, the Bush regime believes it has eliminated the option of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et el being extradited to the International War Crimes Court to be tried as war criminals. I hope that President Obama will issue an executive order that eliminates Yoo's shenanigans and paves the way for the extradition of the entire Bush regime so the civilized world is at last able bring them to jutice

Posted by VivaKucinich
a resident of Stanford
on Jun 12, 2008 at 8:25 am

Bush et al were fully aware that their unprovoked, illegal war would needlessly kill thousands of innocent Iraqis and many American soldiers. Because they intentionally created a phony and fraudulent basis for war to gain its approval, their phony pretext lies and propaganda campaign constituted willful and deliberate criminal fraud, and premeditation of the murder of innocent Iraqis and Americans (see Google definitions of crimes & war crimes). Consequently, the Iraq invasion and occupation were both illegal; the direct result of Bush's massive criminal fraud.

Bush's March, 2003 actual attack on Iraq willfully and deliberately caused the murder and death of over 300,000 innocent women and children (mostly children), and the wounding of over 600,000 more, as well as the murder of another 100,000 innocent unarmed Iraqi family men (Lancet: Iraqi Dead May Total 800,000, Intl. Herald Tribune, Oct. 11, 2006).

In the process Bush needlessly and personally caused the death of over 4,000 Americans and critically wounded another 29,000 to advance the fanatic ideology of his neocons. On November 14, 2007, the CBS Evening News reported that by 2005 another 6,200 Iraq vets had committed suicide (and probably over 8,000 since then, mostly from the lack of Bush denied immediate medical attention, as the Veterans Administration estimates 5,000 suicides in 2007 alone). That makes a total of over 16,000 American GIs effectively murdered by Bush. American troops were betrayed by their own Commander-in-chief, who ordered them to die for his personal criminal reasons. The American people were equally betrayed by their own president.

The premeditated unprovoked killing of, or causing the death of, a single innocent unarmed person is murder. Prosecutors routinely spend months and $millions to put one killer of one person in jail for life without parole. There are dozens of killers within Bush et al, and considerably more than one victim is involved. Their public crimes have been totally ignored.

Over and above the many war casualties involved, the movie No End In Sight estimates the total eventual cost of this war to taxpayers at almost $1.9 trillion; all wasted by Bush. Others have recently estimated over $2 trillion to be spent in the future alone. That money was desperately needed for many other pressing humanitarian services that will now never receive it, causing millions of Americans to suffer needlessly.

Kucinich brigade onward . . . onward to Mars and beyond. Now is the time for CHANGE and if Dennis can't get it done, just elect Obama. He can lead the charge to Mars just as well as Kucinich anyway and everyone knows that to be a fact. Those horrible Republicans can't take that away from Obama.

Posted by Katia
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jun 12, 2008 at 5:51 pm

It is so sad that people are so dellusioned and naive. Liberalism is indeed a mental disorder, as rightly coined by Michael Savage. I lived under communist regime all my life and you people (so called liberals) do not know what you are doing. Of course, many liberal ideas are very noble, but the means of achieving them need to be incredibly smart. Obama is a very naive populist, he should study the history of socialism in Russia and other countries to understand the dire side effects of changes he so much desires to impose on America.
Bolsheviks did it once, their motto was "take it away from the rich and divide amoung poor", and as a result they destroyed the country, threw it into famine, drove "intelligenstia" into underground. And all this time the liberals in Europe continued to salute Soviet Russia and refused to believe the prosecution stories. How many times will humankind need to trip on the same garden rake (Russian expression for repeating the same mistake) to learn a lesson?
Elect Obama and you will see double digit inflation of Jimmy Carter days, oil rich Arab countries will become every more bully-like and budget deficit will sky-rocket, and there will be strict enforcement of "party" line in courts, schools, media.

Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2008 at 6:51 pm

No rational person would want to impeach GWB.

GWB is one of the Great Liberators! He liberated Afghanistan and Iraq. He is treated like a rock star in Eastern Europe, where he supports their continued liberation, originated by Reagan. Among the leftists in Western Europe, S. America, N. America and Asia, he is hated. So what? There is no rationaly in the leftist camp. Dah?!

Kucinich is an enslaver, becasue he suppoted the slavers, like Saddam and Fidel. He should be tried as an international enslaver. Last I heard, slavery is illegal. Next time he travels to Europe, he should be arrested and put on trial at The Hague, then a dozen or so W. European leaders should also be forced join him in the docket. Charge: Appeasement of slavery.

In the meantime, GWB should enjoy his rock star status among the free.

Posted by ShameonKucinich
a resident of Escondido School
on Jun 12, 2008 at 11:29 pm

VivaKucinich,
So if we now demand liberated Iraq to pay for our war expenses with oil, you would be the first to protest it, no? And don't be so naive as to mistake everything that Moore or media feeds you for real facts. Think with your own head and learn to read between the lines. We are fed with propoganda all the time. Yes, there were war casualties, but who but the insurgents are to blame for these deaths in the sweeping majority of instances. One would need to have a really sick imagination to think that US soldiers cold bloodily killed 300,000 innocent women and children, etcetera.

Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2008 at 10:42 am

C'mon on, Shameon, if a foreigh power like France had invaded and occupied the US to "liberate" it from Bush and installed a puppet "democratic" government, you'd be cheering for our homegrown insurgents, or maybe you'd even be brave enough to be one yourself. No true patriot welcomes an occupying foreign force.

Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2008 at 12:15 pm

France did invade this country, and helped to overthrow King George. American patriots welcomed French sailors and soldiers...they did not shoot at them.

It really comes down to the ideology of the invaders/occupiers. If, for example, Dennis Kucinich was to be elected president, and he began to foment socialist revolution, then I would probably welcome a foreign invasion to liberate us. However, only irrational people would vote for Kucinich, thus we are safe from foreign occupation. You can sleep peacefully, tonight, Paul.

Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2008 at 1:21 pm

You can't twist history and get away with it, Gary. While the US would probably not exist as an independent nation without French help during the Revolutionary War, France did not "invade" - the Americans invited them in as allies. And the French got to poke the Brits in the eye shortly before their own revolution.

There's a difference between an ally and an invader. I recommend you learn it.

Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2008 at 2:22 pm

Paul,

I suggest you read a little history, yourself.

This country was a British colony. The Brits, and their loyalist citizens in this country, did NOT invite the French to help overthrow their country. It was those, in this country, who wanted to be free from King George, who invited the French.

In Iraq, the Kurds and the Shiites wanted, and welcomed, the overthrow of Saddam, by the Americans. The Sunnis, a minority ruler for centruries, obviously did not. Al qaeda, a Sunni jihadist movement, fought back, to their detriment (they got crushed by GWB in Iraq, and around the world).

GWB is a Great Liberator, becasue he liberated, and did not oppress. The sound of liberty is ringing louder, around the world, becasue of GWB. It is even more impressive, becasue he had to fight against the hatriots in his own country.

Posted by ShameonKucinich
a resident of Escondido School
on Jun 13, 2008 at 3:57 pm

The issue here is not as much invasion or liberation, but the simple fact that the innocent deaths were the result of insurgents' not valuing human life, no matter whose it is. It is they who used the innocent civilians as a human shield, not US soldiers. So why is it that Kuciniches of the world blame US soldiers for victims of the war? If a foreign country were to invade US, I can't imagine our own insurgents using our own civilians as a human shield. The victims of the war are by far the victims of their own people.

Posted by Paul
a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2008 at 5:11 pm

"This country was a British colony. The Brits, and their loyalist citizens in this country, did NOT invite the French to help overthrow their country. It was those, in this country, who wanted to be free from King George, who invited the French."

Yes, Gary, the founding fathers of this nation invited the French. They came, they fought the Brits, and then they went home.

The USA exists because of the French. Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and the Bushies thanked them profusely five years ago. Had any Freedom Fries lately?

"In Iraq, the Kurds and the Shiites wanted, and welcomed, the overthrow of Saddam, by the Americans. "

Really? How many Kurds have gratefully hooked up with American forces, their "liberators," to help put down Iraqi insurgents (Sunni or Shia) in Baghdad? Basra? Elsewhere? None. And for good reason - they aren't fools. Maybe you don't know that the US has effectively occupied the Kurdish area since Bush 41 incited the Kurds to revolt in 1991 and then stood by and watched Saddam brutally put them down. Sickened at their command in chief's failure, our generals still on the scene quietly stepped in and blocked Saddam there. The Kurds aren't fool enough to trust a Bush again.

BTW, Sadr's Mahdi Militia is a Shiite group. Why has it been fighting the US if Shiites invited us in? Did Bush 43 double-cross them too? Now Maliki, also a Shiite, is telling Bush to get out. (Cheney, of course, wants our troops to stay. There's still all that oil there.) And don't forget the certified con man Chalabi, the Mr New Iraq ca. 2003. Bush wishes we would.

The so-called insurgents are brave Iraqi patriots fighting an occupation army. Same as you might like to see at home (unless you're brave enough to actually join them) if a foreign force occupied the US.

"...the simple fact that the innocent deaths were the result of insurgents' not valuing human life, no matter whose it is. "

Posted by Rebecca
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Jun 13, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Haditha? Come one. This is war and yes, things like that happen.
I often think that if this nitpicking twisted liberal mindset existed 60 years ago, the world would never have had Nuremberg trial. Nazi criminal cases would have been held up in court proceedings forever and many criminals would have been acquitted.

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