Hi guys, I am new to these forums, but not new at all to online dealing. A little background. I was on beckett prior to the meltdown and did over 500 deals over there. I then moved to Sports Card Freaks and did 160 deals there. I now frequent 2 other boards with about 50 combined deals on there. I also have 100% eBay feedback with over 2600+ total ratings. So I am just new to this site, but not new at all. I have done 5 group breaks so far, all being successes. My favorite one being a new one someone helped create, a PLAYER DRAFT.

I know I am new here, but I am well experienced and I can tell you, from the 2 of these player drafts I have done, people want more! They say it is much more fun than just getting a random team, here you can control who you want, and even take some risks by grabbing an AU player who may or may not be pulled, or take a base guy who is a sure bet.

This set is IDEAL for a Player Draft. A deep auto list with some nice names, but the base set is incredible with players like Heyward, Price, Moustakas, Bumgarner, Freeman, Laporta, etc!

Let me know if you guys would have interest in this! FYI, I filled this within 3 days each time I posted it on a much less active site (only about 1500 members compared to 6000 you guys have!)

This is a HUGE break. 1 case, and each PLAYER is a DRAFT PICK, 185 slots. I break the boxes live on UStream but also record them and then upload them straight to Youtube incase people couldn't watch the break.

I am going to copy paste the thread from the other boards that I have run this exact break on.

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Hello all, thanks to all that participated in the first 2007 BDP Player group break. I am going to do it again since it was a nice hit! Everyone loves drafts, and this is a group break with a PLAYER DRAFT. This one is for 2007 BOWMAN CHROME DRAFT. This checklist is amazing and is perfect for this style of break. There are 30 Autos, no signs of the future, and a deep checklist including guys like Heyward, Price, LaPorta, Moustakas, the list goes on.

I am going to set in the details in stone now after seeing how the last one went.
Instead of doing a team break, this will be a PLAYER break. And instead of buying specific players for an amount proportionate to their current perceived value, every player would cost the same amount (awesome, right?). After enough slots are sold at a small, affordable price, instead of randomly assigning teams like other breaks, I will have a mod do a random drawing for a draft order via random.org. A draft will then be held, with the participants of the break being able to select whatever player they want from the checklist when it is their turn to pick (as long as that player has not already been drafted), and then they will get whatever cards of that player are pulled from the case (You may choose to only want the Chromes and hits of you player, in which case you can tell me that after the break. You can even do it for certain picks as well.)

So when you buy a slot in this break, you are not buying a player (although you will inevitably get one of your own choosing, whether good or bad), you are buying a DRAFT PICK. The players you get are to be determined during the draft.

The draft time has not been determined yet, that depends on when the break is full and by a poll of the participants. I want to accommodate as much as I can. If you cannot make it, or would like to submit a pre- ranking list of your players that will be fine as well. You may send me an email to eljohann1@msn.com with these lists with the subject line: Blowout Group Break Player Pre Ranking. This will ensure that I get it and read it. If you are not going to be at the draft and do not send me a list, then I will select a player using my preranked list (so you will still get someone who should be picked at your pick and not the worst guy available)

The draft will be LIVE and will be done in a chat room. When the live draft starts, each person will have 2 minutes to pick.

If anyone would like to volunteer to help out with the break, I will need somebody (a Mod) to run the random.org selection for the slots. That will determine the actual draft order. Then I would like to have 1 or 2 guys who are at the draft (may or may not be participants) to help out keeping track of players selected (who is taken / who is left) and someone to keep track of who gets what player. I will also be keeping track, but it will be good to have a backup in case any problems arise.

There are a lot of slots up for grabs in this break. 65 Prospects (base), 45 prospects (futures), 30 AU (prospects), and 55 green MLB RC Logo players. This makes for 185 slots up for grabs (7 players with Base/AU, 3 players with GREEN / Futures). As a bonus, I will give away some slots in a contest run on the hobby talk section (amount of slots to be determined). The Future games are normally not sought after, but be advised, this set has GU Jerseys, GU Bases and GU Patches of the Future Game Players, so do not forget that! Please also note that some prospects have a base and an Autographed card, these will be ONE SLOT. Example: Kyle Lotzkar has a base and AU card, that is one slot! There are only a few of these types of players. 7 players have both. There are also 3 players with GREEN / FUTURE RCs; they are Joba, Justin Upton, and Cameron Maybin; they will also each be their own slot.

You may trade draft picks prior to the draft (there will be ample time for this) and then also trade players after the draft is over.

Arod Road to 500 cards will be randomly selected to be given to one of the participants. Head of the Class Dual AU will go to the player with the AUTO on TOP of the card (Ex HEYWARD GILMORE, Gilmore is on TOP, Gilmore gets the card)

I will need to be notified of any deals so that I can update my records.
If you have any questions, please post here or send me an email to eljohann1@msn.com or an IM to AdHeSiVeNeSs1.

The pricing structure will be as followed.

$7.00 per slot if you get 1-4 slots
$5.50 per slot if you get 5-9 slots
$5.00 per slot if you get 10+

I did a special offer last time and am going to do a special offer this time as well!

Sounds fun and I would be in for a chunk of spots, but first off, no one with less than a month on the site and a couple posts has ever been allowed to start a group break in the history of this site. Usually there is a dozen posts telling them to chill and gain credibility first. If an blowout vet. or even someone with a six month track record was doing this you could count me in, but after seeing your other case hit three gold auto's I am even more paranoid to hand over cash no matter how much experience you have on other sites. No offense, I just tell them how I see them.

Sounds fun and I would be in for a chunk of spots, but first off, no one with less than a month on the site and a couple posts has ever been allowed to start a group break in the history of this site. Usually there is a dozen posts telling them to chill and gain credibility first. If an blowout vet. or even someone with a six month track record was doing this you could count me in, but after seeing your other case hit three gold auto's I am even more paranoid to hand over cash no matter how much experience you have on other sites. No offense, I just tell them how I see them.

I respect your decision. I read the rules and saw that people may not want to join because of this. I am fine with this. If you would like me to provide some references, I can do so. Just let me know. I was just as surprised with the gold in the last case, I wish they could have been a base guy like Heyward or Price though since the Autos aren't the best.

I do not end up with 900, in the past ones I have ended with considerably less due to the special offers. Shipping and paypal fees add up. I would be making some $$ but it isn't 300 or 400 bucks that you may think.

BO has cases for around $575. You get 18 people to buy 10 slots, that's $900. Shipping and materials cost that much?

Prior to me joining, I did the math as well. Here is what I looked at. 575 for the case (not including any youtube/group break discount) direct cost per slot was 3.11. Thats not including sleeves, toploads, or shipping supplies (nor any paypal fees). Not to say he may not refund some extra money either if Chris gives him a break on pricing.

And he was charging 5 per slot (and my direct slot is 4.17 as I've got 24 slots). But if you figure best case scenerio..8 guys buy 20 slots (24 each with the freebees..granted this can't work as 24*8 is 192, and there are only 185 slots), thats only 800 in, and figuring paypal and shipping fees (figuring most will be shipped via Priority as weight could be high) , I didnt figure its that bad given what could be pulled, and there will be some sorting/time involved (almost 1700 cards).

This was the rule from Group Breaks section which I was referring to. I was not trying to be a jerk, but if group breaks for three day old members are going to be approved the rule should be changed(since this board is all about the rules anymore). Thanks for your consideration>

- If host is relatively new to the board, your break will probably not get approved as most members will not join a break unless they are familiar with the host. Please join in on discussions and participate in other breaks and try again when you get to know more members.

I'm doing the math and it doesn't appear that there's quite that much margin in this. If you assume that the average member purchases 15 slots, that leaves 10 of us with 180 ((15+3)*10) total positions at a total cost of $750... add in 5 one-offs at $5 each and that's 185 slots for $775.

Prior to me joining, I did the math as well. Here is what I looked at. 575 for the case (not including any youtube/group break discount) direct cost per slot was 3.11. Thats not including sleeves, toploads, or shipping supplies (nor any paypal fees). Not to say he may not refund some extra money either if Chris gives him a break on pricing.

And he was charging 5 per slot (and my direct slot is 4.17 as I've got 24 slots). But if you figure best case scenerio..8 guys buy 20 slots (24 each with the freebees..granted this can't work as 24*8 is 192, and there are only 185 slots), thats only 800 in, and figuring paypal and shipping fees (figuring most will be shipped via Priority as weight could be high) , I didnt figure its that bad given what could be pulled, and there will be some sorting/time involved (almost 1700 cards).

If people buy less than 10 slots, the price is higher = higher profit. Just buyer beware.

This was the rule from Group Breaks section which I was referring to. I was not trying to be a jerk, but if group breaks for three day old members are going to be approved the rule should be changed(since this board is all about the rules anymore). Thanks for your consideration>

- If host is relatively new to the board, your break will probably not get approved as most members will not join a break unless they are familiar with the host. Please join in on discussions and participate in other breaks and try again when you get to know more members.

pduce

Every group break is up to the members. I approved this after checking his ebay feedback and for someone to post up a group break, this is one of the first "newbies" to have posted one that not only did I find interesting, but had the majority of things spelled out in it, and I did send Tom a PM prior to posting to clarify a few things. Given this is all being done on ustream, and he requested someone outside of the break to do the random.org, I felt this was on the up and up.

I hope Johan Santana does decide to contribute over here. I think we've got a pretty good forum here and the members can contribute quite a bit at times (yes spam threads are still here, but even then with the new rules, they've been cut down quite a bit).

And when all else fails, I can assure you my payment will be backed by a cc as will a few others to minimize my risk.