Q: Why did the amount of money cause you to raise it with your father?

A: I didnít have --- then I thought it was more reasonable to send these
monies abroad. It was not proper to just keep cash like that.

Q: What did you ask him?

A: I did explain to him the scenario and that was basically it, and I suggest
that I should send the monies abroad. He didnít oppose that.

Q: What was your suggestion as to where it should go?

A: I beg your pardon?

Q: What was your suggestion that you made to him as to where it should go?

A: It was just a general suggestion. I didnít suggest a particular place.

Q: You just said: "I suggest this goes abroad"?

A: Thatís right.

Q: What was his response to that?

A: It was all right.

Q: He said "Fine"?

A: It was okay, yes.

Q: Did he not want to know where it was going?

A: It was already in my custody so ---

Q: Did you tell him where it had gone once you had moved it abroad?

A: No.

Q: Did he ask?

A: No.

Q: So you had no further discussion about it at all?

A: No.

Q: Did he ever ask for any of the money back?

A: No.

Q: Did you have any records as to where the money had gone?

A: I think I did.

Q: Did you keep an account for him as to where the money was?

A: I kept an account for myself.

Q: For yourself?

A: Yes.

Q: Not for your father?

A: I kept it as usual. Whenever you send, or whenever you have something you
send, you keep an account of it. Mr. Bagudu also kept an account of it.

Q: What sort of account did you keep? Was this a running list as to what
money you had been given and where it was?

A: Yes, something of that nature.

Q: Kept in what form?

A: A piece of paper.

Q: I cannot hear you, Mr. Abacha?

A: A piece of paper.

Q: A piece of paper?

A: Yes, a document.

Q: Was this manuscript or typed?

A: Written.

Q: Written --- handwritten?

A: Handwritten, yes.

Q: Which you add to, would you, on each occasion that some money went through
your hands?

A: That is correct.

Q: Would you add to it when you received money, or only when you passed on?

A: Both.

Q: Both, so you kept a running ledger?

A: Correct.

Q: Of money that you had received and money you had passed on?

A: That is correct.

Q: Do you still have that ledger?

A: I should think so.

Q: Did your father discuss this with Mr. Bagudu?

A: No.

Q: Whose money did you regard this as being?

A: As I said earlier, I think it was handed over to me and thatís all.

Q: You regarded it as your fatherís money?

A: Well, I canít tell you exactly. It was handed over to me. He handed it
over to me. I would, of course, regard that.

Q: I am sorry, did you say --- I am sorry, it is the fan.

A: I would regard --- I would think so.

Q: You would think so?

A: Yes.

Q: You think that it is your fatherís money?

A: He handed it over to me.

Q: You believed it to be your fatherís money?

A: He handed it over to me.

Q: You understood it at the time to be your fatherís money?

A: As I said, he handed it over to me.

Q: You understood it at the time to be your fatherís money?

A: I didnít ask him but he handed it over to me.

Q: That was your understanding ---

A: That was right.

Q: --- of him handing it to you?

A: That is correct.

Q: You certainly did not regard it as Nigeriaís money?

A: I didnít know where it came from.

Q: Did you ever ask him at any stage where it had come from?

A: No.

Q: Where did you think it had come from?

A: I didnít know at that time.

Q: Did you know what his salary as Head of State was?

A: No.

Q: It was approximately $2,000 a year. Did you know it was of that order?

A: I have never known about his salary.

Q: Did you think that this was his salary?

A: I didnít think any of that.

Q: Did you apply your mind to this at all?

A: No.

Q: Why not?

A: As I said earlier, I didnít ask any question.

Q: You understand it to be your fatherís money?

A: He handed it over to me.

Q: You know no basis upon which he could have money?

A: I beg your pardon?

Q: You knew of no basis upon which he could have that money?

A: Come again, please?

Q: You know of no basis upon which he could have that money that he was
handing over to you?

A: I didnít know.

Q: You did not ask?

A: I didnít ask.

Q: You knew of no legitimate basis upon which it could be money that he is
handing to you as his own?

A: I said I didnít ask.

Q: At the time, Mr. Abacha, I would suggest that you knew that this was
simply stolen money.

A: I didnít know about that.

Q: If you had applied your mind to it for one moment that would have been
the conclusion that you reached?

A: I never did.

Q: You never applied your mind to it --- is that what you say?

A: I didnít conclude it.

Q: Did you not think at all as to "What on earth could my father be doing
giving me $700 million in cash"?

A: I beg your pardon?

Q: Did you not think at all as to what on earth your father could be doing
giving you $700 million in cash?

A: It didnít cross my mind.

Q: Did you ever discuss this with Mr. Bagudu?

A: Discuss what?

Q: What your father was doing handing you $700 million in cash?

A: I canít remember, I donít recollect.

Q: Did he ever ask you for an explanation as to what it was?

A: I canít remember.

Q: Did you ever speculate with him as to what it is?

A: I canít remember.

Q: You have no recollection of any discussion with Mr. Bagudu?

A: I canít remember.

Q: And no recollection of any discussion with your father?

A: These are events that happened over a very long period of time. I donít
have any specific recollection as to issues like that.

Q: Certainly no suggestion, was there, made by you ---

A: I beg your pardon?

Q: Certainly no suggestion made by you to Mr. Bagudu that this was somehow
part of a legitimate government operation?

A: Mr. Bagudu had access to people more in the financial sector or in the
government. He had a better understanding of a lot of these things, but I
canít remember discussing issues of that nature with him.

Q: You could not make that suggestion ---

A: I beg your pardon?

Q: You could not make that suggestion to Mr. Bagudu because you had no
knowledge of it?