I've put python on my Compaq IPAQ (running linux) and with very fewamounts of tweaks it took up less 1 MB. And that's including gtkbindings (no tk though) and just about the entire standard pythonlibrary. Someone else tried to do this with perl and they couldn't getit under 3 MB IIRC. And IIRC, the current kernel build system requiresperl (I could be wrong, I'm just a watcher on this list, not a hacker).So ... PYTHON IS NOT BLOATED.

Python maybe slow (when compared to C/C++ code). But that is the natureof an interpreted language. Python's speed is on par with Perl's andmost other interpreted languages.

Anyway ... I'm done venting.

On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 13:30, RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado wrote:> Hi Eric :))> > >(2) Requiring Python introduces another tool into the requisites list for> >kernel building. > > I'm happy to see that out of your 'silly' list...> > >I'm just going to say "Today's problems, today's tools."> > Hey, hope that Python never gets considered a 'today's tool' or> we will end up needing 256 CPU mainframes just to issue an 'ls'> (maybe this will not be enough if filesystem drivers are written in> Python too. In the future, I mean...).> > And yes, Python is a today's problem. Fortunately, people keeps> rewriting their Python code in true languages.> > >Progress happens.> > Python is not progress, is just bloatware. I don't think that the> kernel *building* should be made dependant on such a fatware. And,> how about the 'Python License'. I'm pretty sure that it is compatible> with the rest of the kernel, but we should pray for it not to change.> > And, well, Python is fatware just for me: anyway will see> reasonable to install a 6Mb sources language just for the> configuration of the kernel. Very reasonable.> > >If you don't like it, feel free to go back to writing Autocoder on your 1401.> > Good policy... People who don't like Python are morons... And> maybe those that neither use Java or C# for the kernel will be too in> a near future, is that what you're trying to say?> > Eric, I think that this is an important issue and that the> decision about adding such a big dependence to the kernel should be> studied with care, and not imposed.> > Raúl> -> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html> Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/-- -------------------------------Edward MullerDirector of IS973-715-0230 (cell)212-487-9064 x115 (NYC)