End tiers usually last a fucking fuck load of time even that terrible terrible place we called Dragon soul lasted for awhile ( Okay It's horrible imo don't attack me )

No, what I'm asking is: with the rapid release of patches this xpac, why are people assuming that there's going to be a huge delay before the X-pac? Blizzard seems to have gotten their rhythm down, and I'd be surprised if the next xpac isn't out within 9 months of SoO landing.

No, what I'm asking is: with the rapid release of patches this xpac, why are people assuming that there's going to be a huge delay before the X-pac? Blizzard seems to have gotten their rhythm down, and I'd be surprised if the next xpac isn't out within 9 months of SoO landing.

Took the words from my mouth. Blizzard have upped their speed and quality with patches in MoP, and with the extra hands from the Titan project too I bet 6.0 will be out pretty quick, much faster than previous last tiers either way, so I'm not sure why people are still thinking we'll get another DS-length Tier.

OT: No, I doubt we'll end up killing Wrathion. He has so much more potential than a Ruby Sanctum-raid. If we were to get a filler raid it would be, like someone previously mentioned, a ToC style raid where he challenges us and rewards us rather than killing him would be far more likely. Maybe even like the golems in Burning Steppes (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28227) where it learns and gets better each time you win, who knows.

is this wrathion raid because he betrayed the horde and joined the alliance thus allowing black dragonkin to be the new alliance playable race?

Ughh

He didn't "betray" the Horde. All Wrathion wanted was a united Azeroth, fighting together for the "upcoming" battle, whatever that may be. He didn't give a flying fuck if Azeroth was united under a red banner or a blue one.

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Reckon it's between Chelsea and United this year, maybe fourthnal can do something but I doubt it.

Honestly, if Varian, Jaina, and Vol'jin are not directly involved in the Garrosh encounter, it will be a huge disappointment bordering on failure imo. They should arrive with the raid group, only a few of their troops having survived, and take on parts of the encounter while the players do most of the work. If they just walk in after the smoke has cleared, that will be lameness maximus.

Wrathion as filler after the siege of a capital city would be a huge sign reading "WE'RE OUT OF IDEAS, FOLKS."

At 2 years old I don't think a Black Dragon is even powerful enough to be raid boss worthy. No, he's just mad at the moment because his plans for all of Azeroth to be united went completely wrong.

Idk, when you fight him for the ranged celestial challenge quest he's pretty strong even blindfolded and has a lot spells similar to Deathwing's.

I really hope Blizzard won't go down this route for him as i like the character and i think he has a lot of potential, but i thought the same about Kael'thas for example and it didn't prevent Metzen from butchering him... If Wrathion really ends up as a loot pinata i think i'm just done with his writing. As an aspiring writer and literature enthusiast its getting really hard to appreciate his work.

As much as it'd suck. As horrible as it would be storytelling wise. As little sense as it'd make... I don't see Wrathion being an end of tier boss. I don't see him having enough "followers" to fill an entire raid. Who does he have in the way of allies if he betrays the player?

He's going to be a boss eventually (whine about "anti-hero" all you want... it's just build more toward tragic hero/villain more than anti-hero), unless they go the other direction with him "uniting" the world. That'd be us joining his side to unite the world and it'd result in more fights with faction leaders. I don't see that happening.

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Also, they're going to work on him for a while to make him the boss people thought deathwing should have been.

Idk, when you fight him for the ranged celestial challenge quest he's pretty strong even blindfolded and has a lot spells similar to Deathwing's.

I really hope Blizzard won't go down this route for him as i really like the character and i think he has a lot of potential, but i thought the same about Kael'thas for example and it didn't prevent Metzen from butchering him... If Wrathion really ends up as a loot pinata i think i'm just done with his writing. As an aspiring writer and literature enthusiast its getting really hard to appreciate his work.

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The thing is, he has no reason to want to fight us, and right now we don't really have a reason to fight him. He hasn't gone psycho, he hasn't attacked anyone and he isn't a danger right now. He's just desperate to get Azeroth united under one banner whether it be Horde or Alliance, because he clearly knows something about the future that we don't.

Originally Posted by tommypilgrim

Reckon it's between Chelsea and United this year, maybe fourthnal can do something but I doubt it.

He didn't "betray" the Horde. All Wrathion wanted was a united Azeroth, fighting together for the "upcoming" battle, whatever that may be. He didn't give a flying fuck if Azeroth was united under a red banner or a blue one.

Yeah, that. And its clear from the start of his quest chain. All he wants is for the stronger side to win and unite everyone under it. Its not a terribly bad goal in itself either. He's initially leaning towards the Horde but after Garrosh decides to pretty much tear the Horde in two and try to bend Yshaarj's powers for himself he choses the alliance as logically a power crazed xenophobic madman wouldn't be very fit to rule Azeroth under a single banner.

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The thing is, he has no reason to want to fight us, and right now we don't really have a reason to fight him. He hasn't gone psycho, he hasn't attacked anyone and he isn't a danger right now. He's just desperate to get Azeroth united under one banner whether it be Horde or Alliance, because he clearly knows something about the future that we don't.

I agree, but nothing prevents him from suffering the "LOL HE IZ CURROPTED" Metzen curse.