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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Tom Crean isn't as stupid as he's portraying himself by saying it was a mistake. If he was, he wouldn't be a Big Ten basketball coach. Hell, he wouldn't even be a high school graduate. He knew what he was doing. It was a calculated risk. He knew the potential reward outweighed the penalty. If IU wasn't already under probation, it would be no big deal to anyone and honestly, we probably would know nothing about it. But intentionally breaking a rule, even a minor one, seems like a big deal when it is being a committed by a school with IU's history. Even if that history had nothing to do with Crean.

The guy knows the rules weather he just forgot which is unlikely he broke them he should be punished.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

When a school is on probation for recruiting violations, intentionally breaking a rule is a story. Even if the infraction is minor.

And the fact that the issue was reported the same day could easily be thought of as further evidence that they knew what they were doing was breaking the rule.

Spoken like a true Boiler fan. Darn, we lose a few of our 130 days of evaluation time. It's not a big deal. I don't think he intentionally broke the rules. Why would he? As you said, he is coaching at a school on probation for recruiting violations. Why would he intentionally brake a rule in the first place? How much benefit could he possibly have gotten from visiting and contacting Gary Harris (or any other player) one day after the contact period ended? Is there any advantage there at all? No, it makes no logical sense for him to intentionally brake the rule.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Well I don't mean to come off the wrong way, but if you guys are hoping for there to be more penalties for this I wouldn't hold your breath or get your hopes up. The NCAA rules guy has already said that he is fine with the self imposed 2 day recruiting ban. So there really isn't any news here. Just sayin'.

EDIT: It could be as simple as they exchanged greetings at the practice and later that day were like "Oh ****, we couldn't say Hello to Gary today, and if we don't impose this on ourselves someone is going to turn this into a much larger deal than it already is especially since he is a high profile prospect."

I'm just saying, for me, it became a non-issue as soon as I saw what the NCAA officer had said about it.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

The guy knows the rules weather he just forgot which is unlikely he broke them he should be punished.

I don't see anyone crying foul for Coach K for breaking a secondary recruiting rule with his no-no phone call this summer. They will self-impose a reduction of evaluation days, which the NCAA will almost surely agree with. End of story.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Yeah. Answer me this: Why would he intentionally break that rule? Is it really that beneficial to him to talk to Harris one day after the contact period ended? Is that one visit going to sway Gary Harris to Indiana? Be serious.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Coach K made a similar mistake this past summer. Its not a big deal.

And about not knowing the deadline, Dakich said on his show today that he didn't know the deadline, Knight didn't know the deadline, 5 or 6 coaches that he claimed he talked to didn't know the deadline. Take it for whats its worth. This is small potatoes in the NCAAs eyes.

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Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I don't see anyone crying foul for Coach K for breaking a secondary recruiting rule with his no-no phone call this summer. They will self-impose a reduction of evaluation days, which the NCAA will almost surely agree with. End of story.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Yeah. Answer me this: Why would he intentionally break that rule? Is it really that beneficial to him to talk to Harris one day after the contact period ended? Is that one visit going to sway Gary Harris to Indiana? Be serious.

Maybe.

Or he thought he could get away with it, and was called out on it. So in order to minimize the damage they self-reported the violation.

I don't know. Anything is possible.

But if he doesn't know how to follow the recruiting calendar, then IU is in big trouble. If he can't follow that simple of a rule, there's no way he can handle all the other crazy ones out there.

It's not a good position to be in when you're already on probation, whether he's telling the truth or not.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

Or he thought he could get away with it, and was called out on it. So in order to minimize the damage they self-reported the violation.

I don't know. Anything is possible.

But if he doesn't know how to follow the recruiting calendar, then IU is in big trouble. If he can't follow that simple of a rule, there's no way he can handle all the other crazy ones out there.

It's not a good position to be in when you're already on probation, whether he's telling the truth or not.

I just think you guys (and other fans of IU rivals) are making this a bigger deal than it is. Look how many secondary violations are committed by schools every year. The list is absurd, and the punishments are weak. It's done and over with. Move on.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

I don't think anyone is making it a big deal. It's just like one of those things that make you pause and stratch your head. His whole job revolves around those dates. It's not something that coaching staffs should screw up on.

I haven't even commented on the punishment or what not. I was just more interested in your position.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

EDIT: you guys act like anytime anyone say's anything remotely negative about IU like we're going to war or something.

Chill out.

P4E said he needs to be punished. BRush is saying Crean intentionally broke the rules, and considering our history from the Sampson saga, is questioning Crean's judgement.

Plus, you have a history of stirring the pot, because that is just what you do. Most of the time when you post in this thread, the intent is to irritate the IU fans posting in here. I'm sure you will deny that, but we all know it is true.

Re: Indiana University Athletics Thread 2011-2012

P4E said he needs to be punished. BRush is saying Crean intentionally broke the rules, and considering our history from the Sampson saga, is questioning Crean's judgement.

Plus, you have a history of stirring the pot, because that is just what you do. Most of the time when you post in this thread, the intent is to irritate the IU fans posting in here. I'm sure you will deny that, but we all know it is true.

You'd like to think so, but I honestly don't have any issues with IU. I've told you many of times that I root for them.

I have lots and lots of down time at work. I have PD open on my brower pretty much the entire 8 hours I'm here. I like to discuss things because I'm bored, not because I like to irritate you.

If you care enough to check out my story, you'll notice my user tag will be online monday-friday from 9am to 5pm.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't have any hidden ulterior motives. I don't hide my feelings.