They have the Patriots as a bigger favorite in the AFC this year. Vegas looks like its thinking that the Steelers and Ravens are going to take a step back, the Texans could be the Patriots toughest challenge in the AFC.

Denver jumped quite a bit as expected with Manning but I'm not as sold on them. For having such a good defense the Patriots shredded them, and Manning wont have the weapons that he did in indy.

Agree with that. He looked like the missing piece to me. I wonder if he and Harbaugh have some issues, being Manning replaced Big Jim. I also didnt realize how much bigger Manning is then Elway or how small Elway really is.

In Response to Manning's ODDS with the Donkeys : what are the giants odds?Posted by JintsFan

I think that they were at 12-1, one of them usa today, had the Giants at 20-1 which is total bs... Another has them at 8-1. They have lots of different odds, a couple have the Patriots favored to win. Sometimes thats bad though because they are usually wrong..

I was in Vegas this past weekend and they had the following as of 3/13: Green Bay 5-1 New England 11-2 New Orleans 6-1 Pittsburgh 10-1 New York Giants 12-1 The Colts were the biggest surprise in the top half at like 30 or 40-1, Tampa Bay was also a surprise on the bottom of the list.Posted by CaptainZdeno33

Should have gone to SF if winning was his first and only priority...Posted by wozzy

Maybe. If he goes to SF do you have them as hand down favorites in the NFC? I don't. I'd still say GB is the favorite and SF is kind of lumped with NO, NYG, maybe Philly/Detroit/Chicago. I might give SF the edge over those teams because of the weaker division they have a better shot at a bye. The NFC is much deeper and in the AFC teams like Balt and Pitt are filled with players on the downside of their career.

In Response to Re: Manning's ODDS with the Donkeys : Maybe. If he goes to SF do you have them as hand down favorites in the NFC? I don't. I'd still say GB is the favorite and SF is kind of lumped with NO, NYG, maybe Philly/Detroit/Chicago. I might give SF the edge over those teams because of the weaker division they have a better shot at a bye. The NFC is much deeper and in the AFC teams like Balt and Pitt are filled with players on the downside of their career. Posted by Thesemenarecowards

Sf has the best defense out of that bunch. That is the biggest difference, also the o-line is very, very good, if not the best.

As Wozzy said, if his priority was winning championships he would have gone to SF(also as Prime Time said) it is clear that was not his priority.

In Response to Re: Manning's ODDS with the Donkeys : Sf has the best defense out of that bunch. That is the biggest difference, also the o-line is very, very good, if not the best. As Wozzy said, if his priority was winning championships he would have gone to SF(also as Prime Time said) it is clear that was not his priority. He is not a competitor.Posted by TrueChamp

Guy typing on keyboard says guy trying to play football after multiple neck surgeries is "not a competitor".

I just don't agree that Peyton has a better chance to win the next 3-4 years in SF than he does in Den for the reasons I've already stated. If Peyton is the big fish, the NFC is the big pond and the AFC is the small pond.

SF actually had a very poor pass defense last year, any good QB they saw had a big day, Manning/Brees/Vick/Stafford/Romo. NYG, Chicago, and Detroit all have comparable D's to San Fran's.