Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) will join Rick Warren at his California church this month for an AIDS conference.

Warren says he has invited several other presidential candidates from both parties to attend his third annual Global Summit on AIDS, but Senator Clinton is the only one, so far, to confirm. According to a press release, others who have expressed interest and currently are dealing with scheduling issues include GOP presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, and Rudy Giuliani, and Democrats John Edwards and Senator Barak Obama (D-Illinois)....

Daniel Lee Ford wrote:To test preachers and their message carefully by Godâs Word is not a matter of pride, but wisdom and obedience.".And the NEW meaning of tolerance is to CELEBRATE whatever (evil) choice another person makes!

.Today men are testing expounders of the Gospel by their own watered down interpretations and not according to THE TRUTH !!! -- Men have moved away from THE WHOLE TRUTH, they pick and choose the verses they like and ignore the verses that refute their own twisted doctrinal err...

Men have perverted GOD'S TRUTH, HIS MERCY, HIS LOVE ... you name IT ... men have dulled THE FINE DOUBLE EDGED SWORD OF TRUTH !!! -- "How could that be ???" -- Men are in search of their own selfish ends --- just take a good long look at America today, moral compromise has become the rule of the day and all that is destructively abortive and abominable has filtered its way into the social fabric of this great Union.

Far too many men who should be ablaze with GOD'S TRUTH are hiding behind their 501c3 status (the love of money truly is the root of all evil -- this hellish bent keeps men from STANDING FOR THE TRUTH).

amen!RICK WARRENâS DANGEROUS JUDGE NOT ECUMENISM"In typical New Evangelical fashion Warren makes no distinction between judging hypocritically (which is forbidden in Matthew 7) or judging on the basis of personal preference in matters not commanded in Scripture (which is forbidden in Romans 14) and judging on the basis of the Bible.

Actually, the child of God has an obligation to judge everything by Godâs Word. The believers at Corinth were rebuked because they were careless in this regard and were tolerant of false teachers (2 Cor. 11:1-4). The Bereans, on the other hand, were commended because they carefully tested everything by the Scriptures (Acts 17:11). The Bible says âhe that is spiritual judgeth all thingsâ (1 Cor. 2:15) and Jesus taught that we should âjudge righteous judgmentâ (John 7:24). We are to judge preaching (1 Cor. 14:29) and sin in the churches (1 Cor. 5). We are to try the spirits (1 John 4:1).

To test preachers and their message carefully by Godâs Word is not a matter of pride, but wisdom and obedience."

And the NEW meaning of tolerance is to CELEBRATE whatever (evil) choice another person makes!

There should be no tolerance in a Christian for homosexuality. It transmits disease, eg. HIV; and there should also be no tolrance in a Christian for sexual immorality between a man and a woman, which spread disease also. More importantly, God speaks out unflinchingly against both, and it's time we stood up for the glory of God. We should be shouting it out on the streets and preaching it in the public squares: God will not tolerate sexual immorality, hetersexual or homosexual. It's time we stood up unflichingly for what is right according to God. We do not have to pander to homosexuald. If we love them in Christ we should be telling them that they are lost and in sin and condemned before God unless they repent, as we should be telling every sinner. It's time the Church of God said Enough! and stopped preaching acceptence to homosexuals, because they will never be accepted before God unless they repent.Rick Warren should be preaching the gospel of God from his pulpit instead of using it for a political agenda

Terry, my point about Matt 5 is that the Father is actually GOOD to the just and the unjust. And we need to be too if we are to be like Him. A harsh, hateful tone is not going to win anyone. (your tone is least that way.)

I agree with your the Biblical points ...but I don't have enough information to judge Rick.

Sex is the main way of transmission. There needs to be places that can support people in changing lifestyles.A church service is not enough. There very few churches in some places. People may need vocational training so they have income sources other than prostitution.

I feel like the conference is trying to bring people together to talk about things they can do like that worldwide...but that does not mean Rick is putting down preaching or excluding preaching.

Rick is not saying Hillary is a Christian...again, Hillary is not the only person invited. That was my complaint. The title is misleading AND inflammatory...witness the reactions of most the post-ers.

Exodus International converts many "sodomites". But they also say hateful rhetoric never changes a "sodomite".

Honestly, I believe all the things about sin...but again, how we can be more like Jesus...and less like his worst enemies...the p-h-a-r-i-s-e-e-s.

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:There is much discussion in our society concerning the issue of homosexuality and whether it is an acceptable alternative lifestyle.

The concern for the Church is how those man-centered arguments and resulting persuasions become influential in the thinking of believers. The bottomline issue becomes what, or who, is the authority on the issue at hand.

For the believer it is the Bible. The Bible, being the Word of the unchanging God, remains the standard for living and knowing what is holy and right, and what is sinful and wrong.

The Bible clearly states, from Genesis to Revelation, that homosexuality is sin. It is but one sin among many others which include adultery, fornication, lying, stealing, for which God offers forgiveness to those who repent and place their faith and trust in Christ alone.

Uncle Raisin wrote:I'll say it a again: AIDS is not a disease. People don't die of AIDS, they die of TB, pneumonia, cancers, etc. Before it was called AIDS, it was called GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome). AIDS sounds so much better - nicer. AIDS is a political tool to raise money and power. The cure for AIDS is to stop doing the things that compromises the immune system (ie drugs, alchohol and eating urine & feces); and get proper nutritional support for the immune system. It really is that simpe. HIV has absolutely no connection to it. There are thousands of viruses out there that are not identified yet; what makes them say they aren't the causative link? There are many people who have HIV that never contract AIDS. There are many who have AIDS that do not have HIV. It's pretty simple mathematics really.AIDS does not exist!Uncle Raisinwww.UncleRaisin.com"Raisin" the Standard Against Injustice

I agree,people like to complicate everythingshift the blame if you willeven with the Gospel, same thing

I'll say it a again: AIDS is not a disease. People don't die of AIDS, they die of TB, pneumonia, cancers, etc. Before it was called AIDS, it was called GRIDS (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome). AIDS sounds so much better - nicer. AIDS is a political tool to raise money and power. The cure for AIDS is to stop doing the things that compromises the immune system (ie drugs, alchohol and eating urine & feces); and get proper nutritional support for the immune system. It really is that simpe. HIV has absolutely no connection to it. There are thousands of viruses out there that are not identified yet; what makes them say they aren't the causative link? There are many people who have HIV that never contract AIDS. There are many who have AIDS that do not have HIV. It's pretty simple mathematics really.

AIDS does not exist!

Uncle Raisinwww.UncleRaisin.com"Raisin" the Standard Against Injustice

" Terry evans wrote "AbiTry warming up your milk, it will help you sleep better.Find a good Pastor What do you think He would say to sodomites?"Neither do I condemn thee, GO AND SIN NO MORE!!!!! I think He said that to a whore,duh, its called repentance, try it,GOODBYE Abiterry"_____

Abigail wrote:Terry evans wrote" AbiDo you need to hear it again and againJesus came to save those that are lost Matthew 18:11 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 11For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost you put way to much emphisis on the righteous, for thats what you feel a christian is. Abi, last time, if your in Christ, its because you knew you also were lost. Someone in the Bible said something about forgivness of debt, and the guy who was forgiven would not forgive the one that owed him. Climb down off your white horse,the rapture has not happened yet.

_____ Yes, I need to hear it again and again. We all need to hear it again and again. Hell is eternal fire and brimstone. God is greatly to be feared.Jesus did not mince words with sinners and unbelievers. What do you think He would say to sodomites?"Neither do I condemn thee, GO AND SIN NO MORE!!!!!In the love of Jesus Christ with prayersAbigail

AbiTry warming up your milk, it will help you sleep better.Find a good Pastor

What do you think He would say to sodomites?"Neither do I condemn thee, GO AND SIN NO MORE!!!!!

I think He said that to a whore,duh, its called repentance, try it,GOODBYE Abiterry

" AbiDo you need to hear it again and againJesus came to save those that are lost Matthew 18:11 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 11For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost you put way to much emphisis on the righteous, for thats what you feel a christian is. Abi, last time, if your in Christ, its because you knew you also were lost. Someone in the Bible said something about forgivness of debt, and the guy who was forgiven would not forgive the one that owed him. Climb down off your white horse,the rapture has not happened yet. and of course, your fav. closing statement, if I may be so bold In the love of Jesus Christ with prayers(really) Terry"_____ Yes, I need to hear it again and again. We all need to hear it again and again. Hell is eternal fire and brimstone. God is greatly to be feared.

Jesus did not mince words with sinners and unbelievers. What do you think He would say to sodomites?

etkcool, just cut and paste as normal afterwards.Matthew 5: 43-48, I don't understand your point, I hate the disease, the sin not the person, primary means of transmission is sex, no matter where you have it, (location on earth).In this subject may I suggest, still in Matthew 5.13Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.This is rick warren, the way I see it

14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.A christian cannot hate a person because of lifestyle, nor can a christian condon a unbiblical lifestyle

15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.A christian can't ignore AIDS it kills people, they need the Gospel

16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heavendarkness does not exist in the light,hilary clinton

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:..Lifestyle-sin......Illness-love

etk, I did not intend for that to be an ugly face comment. I thought this was a Christian site and that true Christians realize the TRUE responsibility of a pastor.

God bless you kenny... This is a sodomite problem and so few preachagainst this sin. What is wrong withus anyway that we stand for truth evenwhen getting criticized? Thank Godfor a few soldiers of the CROSS.

etk, I do not know if you are an American just living in Japan; however,Hillary Clinton has NO Christian valuesand she puts her approval on everything. If that makes me uglyin my comment, SO BE IT.

I do not wish to argue and never usethis site for debate or argument and as with a lot of other subjects, this is my last point of view on this one...As an American I do still have my rights.

"...AIDS is epidemic, in places like Africa and India. Many non-homosexuals are infected. Rick Warren's church is involved in other "mercy ministries" through various programs. What if we ministered to the homosexuals by showing them we value them as humans created in the image of God even though we hate their sin?"____

How do you minister to evildoers in the spirit of love? Love does not patronize sin or the sinner. Love speaks truth to its neighbor. Telling people that their sin will lead them to hell is being truthful. Although they already know it, but they need to hear it again and again. I have never known soft talking sin to change anyone. When sin is accepted in society the sinners loose their sense of guilt. That is what the promotion of their lifestyle is all aboutâthey do not want to feel guilty but accepted by everyone.

When sin was not acceptable in society, there was much less sin and certainly the sinners did not parade their sins and try to force their lifestyle on others as they do today.

"what if some others could be convinced of the same? People that don't have that opinion now? That is what Rick is trying to do."

What if who could be convinced of the same? Who is it that needs to be convinced? The people who spread it are the people who have it. The people who have it know where they got it. The people most likely to get it know exactly what NOT to do if they don't want to get it. Who exactly is it that doesn't understand?

The only reason somebody like Rick Warren has an AIDS conference is because power hungry politicians and money hungry 'religious leaders' pander to these people making sodomy and AIDS a polical cause (think about the absurdity of that) for their own gain.

As for 'ministering' to sodomites, I've known of many attempts at that. Let me know when you hear of one who truly repents and stops sodomizing others.

I know I sound harsh but I honestly don't mean to. I just don't know of any other way to express my thoughts about sodomites and their aggressive agenda. If one of them or all of them repents, that's wonderful but I've never seen it. (Yet they are filling up churches!)