HAHAHA this is a hoax product... just slightly. Big Medicine does not currently exist, a tub would probably cost 100 dollars per 30 servings with dosages this effective. I personally consider this to be the most effective list of ingredients possible, and if I had my own supplement company this would be my primary product. It's a logical step to use nicotine and sub hallucinogenic levels of ibogaine as a CNS stimulant, caffeine is old technology that people habituate to fairly quickly. Smaller dosages of more effective compounds put the fear of god into someone who decides to exceed the recommended dose. Seriously; ask yourself, would you take 100mg of DMAA? This is my Spuce Goose and I know the sumbitch will fly, I just need investors willing to assume tremendous liability.

Google this book if you've read this far; I'm convinced it's the future of supplement research: The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants: Ethnopharmacology and Its Applications

“Only as a warrior can one withstand the path of knowledge. A warrior cannot complain or regret anything. His life is an endless challenge, and challenges cannot possibly be good or bad. Challenges are simply challenges.”

This is exactly why there will never be the "ultimate" pre-workout; should it be 1g of citrulline, or 2g or 10g? Some pre-workouts go the "pump" route others go the "stim" route, it really just boils down to individual biochemistry and preference as far as effectiveness goes. So, until we all become molecular biochemists the heated debate will continue. Even then; there would still be highly specialized research Ph.D viciously attacking each-other over, essentially, the same things.

As a side note, bummer that Primordial Performance got raided by the FDA. Pro-hormones aren't my thing, but I don't need some bureaucrat desk jockey un-familiar with DHEA compounds telling me not to use a modified analogue of it. Thanks FDA, if it works, BAN IT!

“Only as a warrior can one withstand the path of knowledge. A warrior cannot complain or regret anything. His life is an endless challenge, and challenges cannot possibly be good or bad. Challenges are simply challenges.”

This is exactly why there will never be the "ultimate" pre-workout; should it be 1g of citrulline, or 2g or 10g? Some pre-workouts go the "pump" route others go the "stim" route, it really just boils down to individual biochemistry and preference as far as effectiveness goes. So, until we all become molecular biochemists the heated debate will continue. Even then; there would still be highly specialized research Ph.D viciously attacking each-other over, essentially, the same things. As a side note, bummer that Primordial Performance got raided by the FDA. Pro-hormones aren't my thing, but I don't need some bureaucrat desk jockey un-familiar with DHEA compounds telling me not to use a modified analogue of it. Thanks FDA, if it works, BAN IT!

It should be 3g of L-citrulline. This is well-documented lol.

http://pescience.com/
http://selectprotein.com/
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES