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This is the open spoilers version of the other Marvel Media thread. In this thread, you are responsible for what you read. You should expect that anything and everything related to any Marvel movie or TV show can have spoilers posted without warning, up to and including brand new releases.

I just realized (actually my wife did) that the guy who the Mandarin executed while talking to the President in Iron Man 3 worked for Roxxon Oil. Roxxon Oil is the place that was blown up in Agent Carter. I'm not sure if it has a comics connection, but it is kind of cool to see that link.

I hope they use this as an opportunity to continue to try to shake comic books away from the tropes and audience expectations that have built up over the years. The MCU is undoubtedly introducing a lot of new potential readers to the comics, and Marvel has a great opportunity to offer them something fresh.

If it's just a big doubling-down on the existing comic book culture like The New 52 seems to have been, then count me out.

I hope they use this as an opportunity to continue to try to shake comic books away from the tropes and audience expectations that have built up over the years. The MCU is undoubtedly introducing a lot of new potential readers to the comics, and Marvel has a great opportunity to offer them something fresh.

If it's just a big doubling-down on the existing comic book culture like The New 52 seems to have been, then count me out.

That doesn't *seem* like the direction Marvel's been going for the past three or four years, but who knows. More of the interesting, progressive writers have been working for Marvel lately - Fraction, DeConnick, Hickman, Gillen. I don't see Marvel sending them away, and if they remain, the level of steerage they provide will be a great foundation.

While this would have the advantage of erasing things like Civil War, One More Day, Avengers #200, and the festering stench of the 90s Rob Liefeld comics, I happen to like things like "continuity" and "history". Very much dubious here.

"I would be insulted if I could figure out exactly what it means."
--*Legion*

I really liked the Ultimate universe when it first launched. It was way better than the new 52.

I would be very interested in a MCU comic line. As long as they stuck to the continuity, I'd love to see more stories that we may never see on-screen. Although, between the ABC, Netflix, and film series I'm not sure what's left!

"I never should have taken purchasing advice from Gary Busey.
What the hell was I thinking?" - Paleocon

While this would have the advantage of erasing things like Civil War, One More Day, Avengers #200, and the festering stench of the 90s Rob Liefeld comics, I happen to like things like "continuity" and "history". Very much dubious here.

I like continuity and history, too, but I've found that they present, for me as a new reader, a real barrier to entry. Fans who have read comic books for ages love those lines of dialogue accompanied by a little asterisk ("*See Uncanny X-Men #303") but as a new reader there's so much history, and so many characters, over such a long period of time that I have trouble keeping it all straight. And when a new hero or villain pops up in the middle of an issue, I usually don't have a clue who they are or why they're doing what they're doing. (That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

While this would have the advantage of erasing things like Civil War, One More Day, Avengers #200, and the festering stench of the 90s Rob Liefeld comics, I happen to like things like "continuity" and "history". Very much dubious here.

I like continuity and history, too, but I've found that they present, for me as a new reader, a real barrier to entry. Fans who have read comic books for ages love those lines of dialogue accompanied by a little asterisk ("*See Uncanny X-Men #303") but as a new reader there's so much history, and so many characters, over such a long period of time that I have trouble keeping it all straight. And when a new hero or villain pops up in the middle of an issue, I usually don't have a clue who they are or why they're doing what they're doing. (That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

(That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

And that's why I don't read any of Marvel's stuff right now.

Oh I dabbled in Runaways a bit a few years ago. But seriously I just stay the hell out of everything. There's way too much stuff there going on.

I much more enjoy series that have a beginning and an end. This ongoing for decades stuff is no good for me.

(That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

My favourite part of that sentence is that I don't know if it's real or made up.

(That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

My favourite part of that sentence is that I don't know if it's real or made up. :)

Well it's all made up. Sorry to break it to you, but Spider-Man isn't real.

Hmm could this be Marvel's way to get some of their IPs back by reinventing them? Sort of like the talk of canceling the fantastic four comics.

I use to be a big comic reader way back in the 90s but hologram and chromium covers turned me off. To many gimmicks bleh. I doubt this will get me to start reading comics again because I just would rather watch a cartoon or a movie instead.

Hmm could this be Marvel's way to get some of their IPs back by reinventing them? Sort of like the talk of canceling the fantastic four comics.

I use to be a big comic reader way back in the 90s but hologram and chromium covers turned me off. To many gimmicks bleh. I doubt this will get me to start reading comics again because I just would rather watch a cartoon or a movie instead.

So secret wars eh? Does that mean the beyonder is back?

Oh, Bendis did a retcon whopper on the Beyonder...

ClockworkHouse: He means the comic The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman and Superman get in a fistfight over Gotham. Not The Dark Knight Rises, where Batman and a loudly farting orchestra get in a fistfight over your attention.

(That's obviously Ultron, but not the one made by Ant-Man, the other one that made itself after Galactus used the crystalized remnant of Phoenix's power that the Kree had been holding on to to imbue one of Pepper Pott's powered armor suits with sentience after Captain America and the Green Goblin destroyed the original Ultron in the Second War of Infinity. This Ultron is here to get revenge on Spider-Man who he believes was psychically controlling Green Goblin at the time after Mr Fantastic accidentally gave him part of Professor X's psychic powers. Duh.)

My favourite part of that sentence is that I don't know if it's real or made up. :)

Well it's all made up. Sorry to break it to you, but Spider-Man isn't real.

Nuh-uh! I could totally be Spider-Man!

Spoiler:

I was thinking of that when I wrote, but enjoyed it too much to alter it. :)

EDIT: I enjoy that Spider-Man is the thing that's not real in that phrase. Everything? Totes ok.