Heck you are not making much sense really. On one hand you are saying that the R5 bottlenecks a 1080ti, on the other hand you are saying that an R3 handles them just fine. You are either incredibly low IQ'ed or trolling. Or just an intel shill. Whether or not you'll get in my ignore list will solely depend on your very next post.

I don't pay attention to launch date benchmarks, sorry, you have to try harder. Though I have to admit, the 1600 performs better than the 7700k in some games even on launch date benchmarks!! Didn't know that, thanks for clarifying.

Thanks for proving you do NOT know how to tell the difference between the a GPU bottleneck and the GPU being bottlenecked by the CPU. All these 4K chart is just showing the limitation of the GTX1080ti. The CPU is not the dominant factor here, all the CPUs here are within 3 fps of each other. It shows you really didin't understand:

Moving from a 1060 to a 1070 and then to a 1080 gives close to 0 fps. That's what people call a CPU bottleneck. Heck, the conclusion of the article proves you wrong as well. Here, let me quote.

"Jumping back to a modern title such as Battlefield 1, we see that regardless of whether you choose the Ryzen 3 or locked Core i5, neither have enough in the tank to max out a graphics card packing more rendering power than the GTX 1070, at least under these conditions."

Heck you are not making much sense really. On one hand you are saying that the R5 bottlenecks a 1080ti, on the other hand you are saying that an R3 handles them just fine. .

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Just fine like the the R5. Now the R5 does bottleneck the GTX1080ti, if you admit to that then I'll agree that the R3 does too, but if you won't then the R3 won't. You've been denying Ryzen bottlenecks the GTX1080ti from the get got. So by your definition and your standards the R3 does NOT also.

Just fine like the the R5. Now the R5 does bottleneck the GTX1080ti, if you admit to that then I'll agree that the R3 does too, but if you won't then the R3 won't. You've been denying Ryzen bottlenecks the GTX1080ti from the get got. So by your definition and your standards the R3 does NOT also.

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I don't care whether you agree or not. it's a fact. Not agreeing only means that you are wrong, no problem with me, stay wrong.Also, that R5 is not the 1600 you brainiac.

By my definitions going from a 1060 to a 1070 doesn't improve performance on the R3 in some games. Going from a 1070 to a 1080 either. Going from a 1080 to a 1080ti increases the performance in pretty much 0 games. In the case of the R5 1600 going for a 1080 to a 1080ti increases the performance on lots of games. Therefore, the bottleneck is minimal.

I already agreed that the R5 1600 bottlenecks a 1080ti at 1080p from page ****ing 1. 7700k does also btw! But still, it's not a 0% increase in performance like it is with the R3.

Also do you know how ridiculous you sound to say that that 7700K will get like close 0% gain going form GTX1080 to GTX1080ti? If that is the case then is there any CPU that will get any gains going from GTX1080 to GTX1080ti, so it follow that your claim is clearly a lie, and a self-delusion in your case.

Really!? That was not so clear. And the 7700K does not bottleneck the 1080ti like the R5.

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Going by the techspot review, there is barely a difference. Even an overclocked at 4.9ghz has less than 9% difference in average framerates across 30 games with a 1080ti in 1080p. I call that negligible.

You do realize that the links you are sending are launch date benchmarks, right? I'm confused as to why you keep doing that. Are you doing it on purpose? Are you just dumb? Are you trolling? Are you just an intel-shill? What's the reason?

Most games got Ryzen specific patches and perform way better than they did on launch, like AotS and RotR. Also there was the AGESA update that increase ram speeds and general performance. So...the heck is wrong with you?

Also do you know how ridiculous you sound to say that that 7700K will get 0% gain going form GTX1080 to GTX1080ti? If that is the case then there is CPU that will get any gains going from GTX1080 to GTX1080ti, this is clearly a lie, or a self-delusion in your case.

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I don't think I said that. If I did, I probably misspoke, but I don't think I ever said it. Btw, there are indeed games that give no gains from a 1080 to a 1080ti on 7700k. Dota 2 for example. Or cs go. Or eve online. Or wow. I can name a million more. So saying X cpu bottlenecks a GPU is kinda stupid and irrelevant. It doesn't matter. It only matters if it does it consinstently in pretty much every game. That's not the case with the R5 1600 + a 1080ti, neither is the case with the 7700k, so it doesn't matter. On average, across 50 or 100 games the R5 performs better with a 1080ti than it does with a 1080. So it's not a bottleneck. That's not the case with the R3 though, as shown by the techspot review. So that's a bottleneck. You getting it?

BTW what happened to this?

That was also lie. LOL. The one that has been wrong, been lying, and been calling people names and embarassing themselves is you.

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Nothing, I was just bored and decided to embarrass you again. Maybe I'll ignore you at some point when you I stop enjoying it. Up until now I've been correct in EVERYTHING that I claimed. On the other hand, you haven't. Not by a long shot. So yeah...good luck

Here you go. I'm not going to do the work for you again. It's common knowledge, that performance increased after release. RotR in particular got a 50% boost in certain areas That's huge. Really, really huge.

AntiShill and Strawman, you are both finished hijacking this thread with your repetitive arguing and personal comments. You both have had ample time to make your points and further arguments will serve no useful purpose. Any further comments by either of you in this thread will be deleted.

Navi could succeed depending on how many GPU CCX's they can put together. But Volta isn't meant for gaming, so it would be whatever comes after Volta that may be the next powerful gaming series from Nvidia.

FACE PALM.Back to the GPU, it seems , even less chance of seeing next generation GPU from Nvidia until who knows when,with the vega 64 at 869.00 cdn for the only one available as stand alone. there are considerably more 1080's available at sub 800.00, which leaves me wondering how anyone could rationally make such a purchase,

I was wondering if the recent driver has delivered on the hype ,and brought the performance increases that was so heavily touted?