Post by WLViking on Nov 23, 2013 12:28:19 GMT -5

I literally went to the post count and saw who had the least amount of posts. Linana and Bogart only had 1 post each up to that point. Bogart was mafia last game, so I figured voting for Linana would be a better choice. That's my entire reasoning for it at the time.

Wait so I'm in the runoff for no valid reason? You didn't think it might be helpful for the person leading the witch hunt to be in the runoff with the supposed witch?

Also, wtf guys, having all the ladies in the runoff? You think this is a man's game or sumpin?

The fact that you are asking this now instead of prior to the runoff is baffling.

Also, to call what I did a witch hunt is ridiculous. I simply took apart the issues I had with krissy's posts piece by piece. And in fact, several people agreed initially and afterword. Maybe not with my methods, but with some of the conclusions. What are you suppose to do as a townie? Wait for the mafia to start killing people? I choose not to die passively.

I did not see you coming in and offering anything else to the discussion. If you want to play the game, then play the game. There is a reason the mafia keeps beating the town, and it is because players like you are afraid to put your thoughts out there.

For what it is worth, I do not think this points at you being mafia. I just think it means you have zero killer instinct and don't care if you lose. I don't really care about people's feelings in this game and I really do not care to play with people who do. Outside the game when I am not playing, I will worry about that, but my sole focus is on winning.

Post by ellabelle on Nov 23, 2013 12:55:56 GMT -5

On the other hand, I feel like Viking went a little overboard with over-analyzing every word Krissy posted. I agree there were a few red flags there, but I didn't feel that it was enough to warrant a witch hunt. Pointing out red flags is one thing, but the entire thread was concentrating on one person there for a little while, perhaps long enough to distract us from noticing someone else? Ella's agreeing with everything Viking said was a little too convincing, so that makes me wonder if they're both mafia & plotting to trick the town into thinking Krissy is mafia.

I wouldn't mind seeing a second runoff with Krissy & Ella.

Lianna > Ella

So are you saying that my agreement with a logical argument bears more weight than Tejas' agreement (sorry, only name that comes to mind that agreed at the moment though I know there were more)? Or would you jump to that conclusion regardless whether I was in the runoff or not? And it isn't like you didn't disagree on this argument:

And I think it's logical for her to be in the runoff. It's not *that* suspicious but it's the most suspicious thing I've seen so far. Just seemed like viking went a little overboard there. Maybe that's just his style though.

Honestly, I could say it is plausible that your inactivity in this game and choice of using play styles as attack mechanisms put you a bit on the shady side. That still does not overshadow the suspicion surrounding Krissy.

Ella >> Krissy

To add to this vote, I really was not crazy about the throwing around of statistical probability of being mafia more than one game in a row. My 2nd and 3rd games here landed me in that role back to back. I don't think one should hide behind the numbers, especially since statistically speaking there are more of us than mafia, so we should technically win the majority of games, and the chances of a mafia win as early as last game is virtually nill.

Post by linana on Nov 23, 2013 13:56:50 GMT -5

Wait so I'm in the runoff for no valid reason? You didn't think it might be helpful for the person leading the witch hunt to be in the runoff with the supposed witch?

Also, wtf guys, having all the ladies in the runoff? You think this is a man's game or sumpin?

The fact that you are asking this now instead of prior to the runoff is baffling.

I didn't really go back and read thoroughly until the runoff started. I noticed Jimmy's vote for me but didn't have time or brain power to process it and respond thoughtfully until this morning. Sometimes I come in and check the thread on mobile, but I'm usually driving or doing something else and don't want to post a response unless I can have time to read & post thoughtfully.

I did not see you coming in and offering anything else to the discussion. If you want to play the game, then play the game. There is a reason the mafia keeps beating the town, and it is because players like you are afraid to put your thoughts out there.

You do realize you are saying this in response to my post where I put my thoughts out there? Aside from that, I don't usually have many thoughts on the first day. In the few games I've played, there's never been enough material to really come to any conclusions on the first day.

For what it is worth, I do not think this points at you being mafia. I just think it means you have zero killer instinct and don't care if you lose. I don't really care about people's feelings in this game and I really do not care to play with people who do. Outside the game when I am not playing, I will worry about that, but my sole focus is on winning.

Sorry if I don't take the game as seriously as you. I will try to do better. I think I had a pretty killer instinct the one time I was mafia and we won. Every other game I've been flying by the seat of my townie pants.

On the other hand, I feel like Viking went a little overboard with over-analyzing every word Krissy posted. I agree there were a few red flags there, but I didn't feel that it was enough to warrant a witch hunt. Pointing out red flags is one thing, but the entire thread was concentrating on one person there for a little while, perhaps long enough to distract us from noticing someone else? Ella's agreeing with everything Viking said was a little too convincing, so that makes me wonder if they're both mafia & plotting to trick the town into thinking Krissy is mafia.

I wouldn't mind seeing a second runoff with Krissy & Ella.

Lianna > Ella

So are you saying that my agreement with a logical argument bears more weight than Tejas' agreement (sorry, only name that comes to mind that agreed at the moment though I know there were more)? Or would you jump to that conclusion regardless whether I was in the runoff or not?

I guess it's just that your agreement was the one that stood out the most, to me. Perhaps it was because your name was on my mind as being in the runoff, or perhaps it was because you posted more than once in agreement with Viking and it just seemed a little too cooperative. Maybe both.

To add to this vote, I really was not crazy about the throwing around of statistical probability of being mafia more than one game in a row. My 2nd and 3rd games here landed me in that role back to back. I don't think one should hide behind the numbers, especially since statistically speaking there are more of us than mafia, so we should technically win the majority of games, and the chances of a mafia win as early as last game is virtually nill.

Post by linana on Nov 23, 2013 13:57:51 GMT -5

Linana, you're in the runoff for a valid reason. You were failing to make any contributions for the town by merely making an initial vote and none thereafter. Mafia generally likely to keep quiet early on to avoid suspicion and runoffs. I'm not in the business of letting quiet people slip by. See Phi and Bogart from last game.

Duly noted. Was pretty busy at work yesterday. I hope I've made up for it.

Post by Hakuna on Nov 23, 2013 16:23:37 GMT -5

I've been mulling all morning and came in pretty ready to switch my vote to Krissy. Basically just for the reasons Viking posted early and that really being the most I had to go with. On top of that her early vote for Mike. I usually tend to believe mafia try to sneak in at least one usual suspect into the day 1 runoff for no good reason and that's really the only vote of that nature. Then I get here and see Linana's post and it just doesn't sit well with me at all. Defensive, putting words in Krissy's mouth, a theory that doesn't hold much weight at all.On top of that I don't really get the vote for Ella. She doesn't understand why she is in the runoff and then votes for someone who probably deserves to be in the runoff even less. I had voted for her arbitrary and then LD kinda just tossed her in. Linana, if you don't think Krissy wants to play why not vote for her? If you think they both maybe townies wouldn't you rather be down 1 townie who "doesn't want to play" than down 1 townie that does?

At this point I don't think Ella has done anything to warrant suspicion while the other 2 have. I'm worried she may get some votes due to indecision and/or mafia distancing/clean voting records.

Post by LD on Nov 23, 2013 18:50:35 GMT -5

Also, wtf guys, having all the ladies in the runoff? You think this is a man's game or sumpin?

Having been the last to vote, and the last to put someone in a runoff - it was just a coincidence. At least on my end it was. I just happened to pick someone at random. Well, someone that isn't Hakuna at random. I figured it would be nice to Hakuna to let him live through Day 1 for once, poor guy gets taken out quick every game.

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Post by sleepy on Nov 23, 2013 21:45:42 GMT -5

Ok, either I'm going crazy, or the original runoff post from Sleepy is missing. I was trying to find out when the deadline is.

I thought I had posted a wrong tally, so I went ahead and deleted it (I know deleting posts is frowned upon in Mafia, but hopefully you'll let this one slide). But then I realized that was the old post - d'oh! Blame it on the ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-alcohol

I just went back and re-counted, and I'm fairly certain this was the pre-runoff tally:

Post by Mike D on Nov 23, 2013 23:54:05 GMT -5

Part of me hates to stack like this, but I have to vote for Linana. The biggest thing that I see right now is her calling out that Viking should have been in the runoff with Krissy, yet she didn't do anything about it. After I switched from Boner to Viking (partially because Viking switched to Krissy, leaving me as the lone vote on Boner), she easily could have switched to him as well. Instead she left her vote on Bogart, then expressed her concern after the runoff started. If you wanted Viking in, why didn't you do anything about it??

Post by linana on Nov 24, 2013 0:18:19 GMT -5

I don't know, Mike. I guess it didn't really occur to me until after the runoff began and I had time to go back and read the thread.

Wow. I didn't intend to defend Krissy but it looks like I inadvertently did just that to my own detriment. If I get voted out this round, Krissy - I really, really hope you are town.

My only hope is that we'll get a second runoff and some of you will read my posts again and see my true intent, which initially was mostly just surprise and suspicion at Viking's playing style, which I was not at all familiar with. I'd really like to stay in the game and help weed out the real mafia.

Post by WLViking on Nov 24, 2013 0:53:44 GMT -5

I think a second runoff between linana and krissy would be helpful given how things have progressed. As I stated when linana voted for Ella, she came off sounding more lazy than mafia prior to the runoff where as krissy sent up legitimate mafia red flags to me but I see everyones point. Given the fact that krissy barely posted at all today due to her dr who event, linana has been kind of left flapping in the breeze here with krissy not having to defend herself.

Maybe I am just too far in the weeds on this one going after krissy, but I think it is much more likely she is mafia. Linana gains nothing attacking me and defending krissy a bit while she was in the runoff with her. In fact, it has led to a stack on her. Again, what kind of mafia strategy says attack someone outside of the runoff and defend someone inside of it.

The only way that works is if both krissy and linana are mafia together. If linana is mafia, much better for her to follow the tide and vote krissy. If linana is townie, it is more likely she takes a controversial stand. Mean while, krissy jumped on linana with very little in the way of explanation. I know she has people over, but I still want to know her reason why.

Typing this on mobile so it may not be the most coherent. Let me know if I need to clarify.

Post by Boner on Nov 24, 2013 9:48:42 GMT -5

I entertained the thought of Voting Ella here regardless of the numbers, but she's given no real indications yet, besides vocally agreeing with Viking , not suspicious as of right now, but maybe something to watch, maybe not

I could convince my self of many things as to who is mafia out of Krissyjo and Linana, and of course there's the possibility neither one is. I'm more interested in seeing what happens next with Mike D to vote, and LD the decider ( as of now anyway)

Post by LD on Nov 24, 2013 10:43:27 GMT -5

According to LD, most of you Americans couldn't point out Canada on a Map.

So Viking and Mike D already want a piece? I'm doomed!

Boner>>>LD

So I'm going back and reading through the game, to find out who I should vote for. Just wanted to get to this.

Homer: [expansive] So, how was everybody's day at school?Bart: Horrifying!Lisa: Pointless!Marge: Exhausting. It took the children forty minutes to locate Canada on the map.Homer: Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there.

Post by sleepy on Nov 24, 2013 10:55:21 GMT -5

Thanks for the updated vote tally, Thor Galore. I just double-checked and got the same results you did.

We are now in a second runoff between Linana & Krissyjo. LD, looks like this is in your hands (though voting still remains open to all). I won't be quite as strict with the deadline I posted earlier as it's on shorter notice, but I would like to get night one underway by this evening. Let's aim for 8-9ish PM EST.

Post by WLViking on Nov 24, 2013 12:14:07 GMT -5

My thought process is this. MikeD put 5 on Linana while Krissy only had 3. Linana had to move off Ella to save herself, putting the 4th on Krissy. And then Boner makes my life much more difficult.

It seems a really questionable move watching MikeD do what he did when he did it. It could just be MikeD being MikeD, but could he also be looking out for Krissy at this point?

LD --- Krissy

I agree with you here LD. Not to mention, it is the second time Mike D has moved to help krissy, shifting his vote to me after you placed your vote. Normally it does not mean much, since it did not shift a runoff, but there was a likely chance that someone else would have jumped on me based on how I play.

Also, there is the fact that I believe Mike D has previously stated he never makes day 1 changes prior to the runoff. I keep coming back to the vote chain of Tejas votes for Krissy votes for Mike D who voted for Boneroo. Mike D has played in many of the games I have and knows I move around, so would assume I would now as well. If you think back to Mafia 49, you pulled something like this that game LD where you had 2 mafia members in the chain, I got sucked in and I lost. Provided we kill krissy, I really think we need to look at Mike D and to a lesser extent Tejas. Remember, Tejas was also defending krissy early on and got really quiet once I pointed it out. I think we are on the right track at this point. I am not sure about jimmyroo, and if those 3 are not mafia, he may be one of them, but I think we need to take a very hard look at Mike D and Tejas next round.

Post by WLViking on Nov 24, 2013 12:20:56 GMT -5

to clarify, Mike D made the statement about not moving around in a previous game, not this one.

Benefit of being a ref as many times as I have is that I have more insight than I did before into people's methods in various roles. Subtle differences and shifts in how they play. It is different than finding out who is who after the game, since I know who everyone is the entire game and can categorize it for future reference.

If we got lucky and uncovered krissy early on as the quiet member, the actions of Mike D and Tejas make them the most suspicious in my opinion. Plus, if krissy really is the middle of the chain, Tejas could not move for fear of appearing to save her and she could not move off Mike D for fear of exposing him, especially when he was headed to the runoff until Jimmyroo moved off him. Open to other people's thoughts on all of this.

Post by krissyjo on Nov 24, 2013 15:14:20 GMT -5

My vote for Linana is simple. I had two choices, Linana has seemed more suspicious than Ella, so that's where my vote went.

I don't really know how to convince anyone I'm a townie, as I gave explanations previously to questions that came up which only seemed to raise more suspicion. I made posts that were apparently textbook mafia, which would be pretty stupid on my part if I were. If anyone else has questions for me, I'm happy to answer. It's a Monty Python witch hunt for me right now. Hope, if I die, the town is able to use it to figure out the actual mafia.

Post by Tejas on Nov 24, 2013 16:42:51 GMT -5

I agree with you here LD. Not to mention, it is the second time Mike D has moved to help krissy, shifting his vote to me after you placed your vote. Normally it does not mean much, since it did not shift a runoff, but there was a likely chance that someone else would have jumped on me based on how I play.

Also, there is the fact that I believe Mike D has previously stated he never makes day 1 changes prior to the runoff. I keep coming back to the vote chain of Tejas votes for Krissy votes for Mike D who voted for Boneroo. Mike D has played in many of the games I have and knows I move around, so would assume I would now as well. If you think back to Mafia 49, you pulled something like this that game LD where you had 2 mafia members in the chain, I got sucked in and I lost. Provided we kill krissy, I really think we need to look at Mike D and to a lesser extent Tejas. Remember, Tejas was also defending krissy early on and got really quiet once I pointed it out. I think we are on the right track at this point. I am not sure about jimmyroo, and if those 3 are not mafia, he may be one of them, but I think we need to take a very hard look at Mike D and Tejas next round.

I just want to address this part. I'm not quiet because you pointed out me "defending" krissy. I actually addressed this earlier on page2 and no one seemed to offer a rebuttal.

I never made a defense for Krissy. I simply noted that her alibi for being busy checks out. I didn't excuse her for the probability of her being quiet this weekend just stated a fact. I have no idea who is townie or mafia right now. Last game I made the mistake of thinking since Round 1 went by fast that Phi was a townie, so I ultimately voted myself dead. And what do you know Phi ended up being mafia. So I wouldn't make a defense for anyone on the first day because personally I'm not a skilled enough player to make that judgement day 1. And if you don't believe me read last game lol

Also I think your making a logical argument for why Krissy should be in the runoff. Hence why I haven't moved my vote.

FYI my work computer went ape sh*t so I'm posting from my phone. Excuse any spelling or quoting errors.

I knew that I would catch suspicion when I verified her alibi. So why would I bring it up if I was mafia. In a real investigation when someone verifies a persons alibi does that make that person guilty. No, all it does is state facts. Which I think is important for the town. At the same time given everything thats transpired over the last few pages with Krissy. I feel confident in my initial vote on Krissy and haven't felt the need to move it. So me being quiet is me being confident in my vote and having nothing substantial to add.

Post by WLViking on Nov 24, 2013 18:16:50 GMT -5

I agree with you here LD. Not to mention, it is the second time Mike D has moved to help krissy, shifting his vote to me after you placed your vote. Normally it does not mean much, since it did not shift a runoff, but there was a likely chance that someone else would have jumped on me based on how I play.

Also, there is the fact that I believe Mike D has previously stated he never makes day 1 changes prior to the runoff. I keep coming back to the vote chain of Tejas votes for Krissy votes for Mike D who voted for Boneroo. Mike D has played in many of the games I have and knows I move around, so would assume I would now as well. If you think back to Mafia 49, you pulled something like this that game LD where you had 2 mafia members in the chain, I got sucked in and I lost. Provided we kill krissy, I really think we need to look at Mike D and to a lesser extent Tejas. Remember, Tejas was also defending krissy early on and got really quiet once I pointed it out. I think we are on the right track at this point. I am not sure about jimmyroo, and if those 3 are not mafia, he may be one of them, but I think we need to take a very hard look at Mike D and Tejas next round.

I just want to address this part. I'm not quiet because you pointed out me "defending" krissy. I actually addressed this earlier on page2 and no one seemed to offer a rebuttal.

I never made a defense for Krissy. I simply noted that her alibi for being busy checks out. I didn't excuse her for the probability of her being quiet this weekend just stated a fact. I have no idea who is townie or mafia right now. Last game I made the mistake of thinking since Round 1 went by fast that Phi was a townie, so I ultimately voted myself dead. And what do you know Phi ended up being mafia. So I wouldn't make a defense for anyone on the first day because personally I'm not a skilled enough player to make that judgement day 1. And if you don't believe me read last game lol

Also I think your making a logical argument for why Krissy should be in the runoff. Hence why I haven't moved my vote.

FYI my work computer went ape sh*t so I'm posting from my phone. Excuse any spelling or quoting errors.

I knew that I would catch suspicion when I verified her alibi. So why would I bring it up if I was mafia. In a real investigation when someone verifies a persons alibi does that make that person guilty. No, all it does is state facts. Which I think is important for the town. At the same time given everything thats transpired over the last few pages with Krissy. I feel confident in my initial vote on Krissy and haven't felt the need to move it. So me being quiet is me being confident in my vote and having nothing substantial to add.

Except you have never expressed that confidence previously and you never have been thid shy about your opinions / quiet before...

Post by sleepy on Nov 24, 2013 20:13:40 GMT -5

Since nobody has changed their vote from the first runoff...

As they are staving off their jetlag fairly well, the Inforoo motley crew decides to venture into downtown Sydney. They arrive at Circular Quay via ferry, and the first order of business on the agenda for these diehard music fans is a tour of the Sydney Opera House. Following a light lunch along its promenade, the eleven guests and their host embark on an organized climb of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Sleepy stops to point out all the landmarks in view from the top - Luna Park, Government House, the Royal Botanical Gardens, Centrepoint, North Sydney, and all the skyscrapers of the CBD.

While the group is posing for photos with the Opera House in the background, Krissyjo notices an audible click - and not that of the camera, but rather her safety harness's carabiner. Krissyjo turns around to fix it; as she is doing so, someone stealthily lifts her legs and pushes her over the rail, plunging her into the not-so-icy depths of the world's largest natural harbour several hundred feet below. Kersplash.

Post by Mike D on Nov 24, 2013 23:13:07 GMT -5

For the record Viking, yes I am going to be playing a little differently. The townies have had trains ran on em by the mafia recently, I haven't looked to see which ones yet, but I believe 2 out of 3 or 4 of the most recent games the town lost in three rounds. The first of those I was really confident on two of the mafia, picked the wrong third, went after her, she voted me along with the three mafia and won. More recent, I was the first overnight kill and didn't do shit to really help. I have already seen my name thrown out far more than usual in round one and when I see that along with what Linana did, ya I am going to call that out. I would honestly be a little more concerned with those that vote off of hunches or for no real reason at all (although that can be a stretch for some in round 1).

I also think it is a little convenient that you are the one to call me out on that when your vote change made my vote essentially worthless. How many of the past games has that happened? How many of the last games have I been one to help form the runoff??

Post by sleepy on Nov 25, 2013 11:06:09 GMT -5

The Mafia have spoken!

Still suffering from jetlag, WLViking is feeling restless at 4am and decides to take a late-night stroll through Wynyard and The Rocks - the latter once a slum full of sailors and prostitutes during the 1800s, but now a popular tourist district. Exploring the cobblestone alleyways between a small sea of sandstone buildings, he notices the echo of footsteps behind him increasing in pace. Viking turns a corner and bolts under the Argyle Cut, before catching his breath in a stairway. But the footsteps are growing louder now, and there is no escape in sight.

As the person turns the corner, Viking breathes a sigh of relief as he recognises it's a fellow Inforooster. "Oh, thank heavens, it's just you"."Just me?" replies the shadowy figure with a sinister smirk."But... but..." stammers Viking with a petrified look."Oh, yes" cackles the mafia member, before unsheathing a Crocodile Dundee-sized machete from inside the cloak and thrusting it deep into Viking's abdomen.

The anonymous killer carries Viking's lifeless corpse to a paneled van, dumping his body at the construction site of the 70-storey casino at nearby Barangaroo before disappearing into the early morning fog.