New York Safe Act facts......just out from Gov Cuomo

Below are FAQ intended to help gun owners in New York understand and comply with the NY SAFE Act enacted on January 15, 2013. If your question is
not answered here, please continue to check back, as this list will be updated regularly.

Q: What if I have a magazine that can contain more than ten rounds? A: You can permanently modify the magazine so that it holds no more than ten
rounds, responsibly discard it, or sell it to a dealer or an out of state purchaser by January 15, 2014.

So how will these modifications be made?

Q: How many rounds can I put in my magazine today? A: Ten. Starting on April 15, 2013, you are limited to putting in seven rounds, unless you are
at an incorporated firing range or competition recognized by the National Rifle Association or International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association,
in which case the limit is ten.

I bring a few things to consider...in reading New York's "FAQ" and political reassurance piece that 'all is okay' and 'trust us....we really won't do
more'.

In 1989, California banned the
sale or transfer of assault weapons and required all existing owners to
register their guns. The California law was very poorly drafted:
California Attorney General Dan Lungren later admitted that some of the
gun models banned by the California Legislature did not exist. San
Francisco lawyer Don Kates suggested that legislators, in compiling the
list of prohibited guns, appeared to have selected from "some picture
book ... of mislabeled firearms they thought looked evil."

The vast majority of Californians did not register their guns.
Thus the law may have created as many as 300,000 new criminals.
According to Michael McNulty, chairman of the private California
Organization for Public Safety, "We estimate that hundreds of citizens
have been arrested and prosecuted for firearms not on the regulated
list." In numerous cases, police carrying out searches of people's homes
have seized weapons they allege to be illegal assault weapons--and then
have refused to return them even after receiving proof that the guns are
not legally banned under California
law.

These are all pieces I've located using Google's date limiting tools. So these articles come before 2000 and reflect the actual things said and done
at the time, not how people would re-write events by hindsight. The people of California were also assured registration would never mean confiscation.
I lived there. I heard this with my own ears. As we all know, confiscation absolutely DID COME as it must to effectively enforce the bans proposed
then and now, in the long term. Anything else makes the law a gesture and not an effective change to real world events.

New York has, by the 10th Amendment, this right ...If the Super Court agrees with the challenges, of course. I'm sure it'll be run to Albany and then
the 9 Robed ones quickly enough to learn that. If the PEOPLE of New York WANT THIS and what comes next by California's apt example, then by all
means...I wish you well. If New York believes this IS ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN? Then, please,,, read the above stuff and whatever else from California and
Illinois both on what happened there, how your new laws were modeled on theirs, and what WILL COME NEXT.

This is but a step to the end...and this isn't guessing. It's happened before and it happened exactly like this. Step by Step. By the numbers.

Q: What qualifies as an antique gun or magazine?
A: Any magazine or gun manufactured more than 50 years ago. this is alittle ambiguious as i didnt think most magazines had dates on them so to speak
so how will you prove it......and on another note a tommy gun is over 50 years old are they gonan exempt all of them? same for most m1's and perhaps
even a few more guns could slip through the cracks on this one least as far as the guns go......

thinking about the date part more clearly i think this law will do one good thing a surge in sales of engraving machines as people scraw "legal" dates
into their magazines to get around this i mean how are they gonna prove when the mag was made?

In the video, McLaughlin is speaking to Democrat Assemblyman Joseph Lentol. Here is the transcript: McLaughlin: ... Something that we
received from the Senate, Democrat proposals in this gun bill. And I don't know if you've seen this, or if you know that these are there or not.
Lentol: Well we don't have our own list of rejected proposals, that the Senate rejected, so I don't have anything to show you.
McLaughlin: Okay. Alright, then I won't address it then if you haven't seen it. I'll leave that one alone. Okay, thank you, Joe. Appreciate it.
Lentol: And by the way, I would recommend not to have that list shared because it has the capacity to dampen the enthusiasm of compromise.
McLaughlin: Well, it sure does when we talk about the confiscation of assault weapons. It absolutely has the ability to dampen a compromise.
The list of proposals that Democrats would rather you didn't see, can be seen below. 1. Confiscation of "assault weapons" 2. Confiscation of ten
round clips 3. Statewide database for ALL Guns 4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder's information to be replaced to the public 5. Label
semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as "assault weapons” 6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and
confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines 7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines 8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person
per month 9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners 10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years 11. State issued pistol
permits 12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State 13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers 14. Mandatory locking of guns at home 15. Fee
for licensing, registering weapons

It is interesting to note that, on the site, rather than a typical statement of facts or FAQ, the information is presented thusly:

Q: I own a gun that I use for hunting, is it an assault weapon?
Q: I own a handgun, is that an assault weapon?
Q: I am not sure if the gun I own is an assault weapon. How do I find out?
Q: I have an assault weapon. Do I have to give it up?
Q: How does registering my gun compare to getting a handgun license?
Q: What do I do if I don’t want to register my assault weapon?
Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it?
Q: If I don’t currently own an assault weapon, how does the new ban on assault weapons affect me?

Statement form. To gain information pertaining to a certain type of gun, one must check a box stating, admitting, or confessing, "I own a gun..."

By design, this website informs the public, as well as informing the State of New York.

With these gun facts in mind.
Know that it is your duty as a American Citizen to disobey unlawful laws.
The Weapons are for tyrannical governments.
I'm not saying this government is tyrannical,
but that is the only real reason we have the right to have them in the first place.

What I am wondering is if you had a pre safe act compliant ar 15 with a forward grip on it would it be considered illegal? It seems it would to me
because of the reduction of the 2 features to 1 feature? I am all sorts of confused anymore?

This is all turning into such a mess. This is going to do nothing for law abiding citizens but create mass confusion and make good people criminal.
They dont even know what they are doing writing these stupid laws.

Well at least some people here in NYS within the legal system are trying to help out as they can. So far as of yesterday at least 10,000 people are
joining in a suit against the current laws just passed. This is a positive in my opinion. The people of NY are speaking, I know Albany is not
listening as usual. Link to local article. www.wgrz.com...

Originally posted by stonebutterfly
This is all turning into such a mess. This is going to do nothing for law abiding citizens but create mass confusion and make good people criminal.
They dont even know what they are doing writing these stupid laws.

It really is doing just that. For the first time in my life I picked up the phone today and called the local state police, I asked them to clarify the
whole magazine thing because I planned on going out to the local public range for target shooting and didn't feel like getting hauled away in cuffs.
Looking back on it I should have just drove over there as I have so many questions that are still unanswered. I was told for now it's business as
usual until the deadline, but I figured it worth my 2 min to at least try to get clarification on it. The way this thing slammed through it wouldn't
have surprised me one bit to hear we had till midnight the following day to comply, seems anything is fair game these days.

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