Foreign politicians and officials who took part in two G20 summit meetings in London in 2009 had their computers monitored and their phone calls intercepted on the instructions of their British government hosts, according to documents seen by the Guardian. Some delegates were tricked into using internet cafes which had been set up by British intelligence agencies to read their email traffic.

So, for all the FR imbeciles that think Snowden is a hero, this makes it abundantly obvious he’s just another America-hating Bradley Manning with a higher clearance, who grabbed a huge number of documents fairly indiscriminately, just like Manning.

The idea that he selectively grabbed just a few documents about internal US operations is clearly debunked. The Washington Post simply was really selective about what it published. The Guardian was selective in the beginning but now it’s clear that they’re going to dump most of the trove (and whatever they don’t print probably will end up on Wikileaks).

Article contains information about NSA intercept attempts against the Russian Foreign Minister’s communications, based on materials provided by Snowden.

This has NOTHING to do with the privacy of American citizens, and everything to do with what the NSA “should” be doing.

Though, blind worship of Russia by other imbeciles here might be so bad that now we think it’s terrible we’re spying on the Russians.

Ahh so you are taking heat for your position and now you try to be insulting to deflect away from your utter humiliation.

What's humiliating is not having even the rudiments of reading comprehension.

My position is this; I'll try to use really small words and dumb it down a bit to grade-school level sentence construction, for your benefit:

1) Some people think Snowden is a hero.

2)Many of these people believe Snowden is nothing like Bradley Manning. They think he selectively took, and selectively released, information solely about NSA operations in the US.

3) This article in the Guardian is based on material that Snowden gave the Guardian.

4) Nothing in THIS article and THIS material has the slightest thing to do with the privacy of Americans.

5) Snowden's material in this article is about GCHQ operations. The UK has always been a close ally and we've long shared highly sensitive material to the benefit of both countries. Snowden taking and releasing this material breaks this trust and hurts an alliance.

6) These GCHQ operations are against other foreign countries, not the US.

7) In the article it is mentioned that Snowden also provided material about NSA attempts to intercept the communications of the Russian Foreign minister.

8) Trying to intercept Russian communications is what pretty much every sane person would believe that the NSA SHOULD be doing. I would assume the average FReeper (leaving aside the idiots with a teenage girl-crush on Putin because he hates gays as much as they do) would want the NSA to be intercepting high-level Russian communcations.

9) This is all evidence that Snowden took vast amounts of highly classified material from the NSA, and that probably very little of it has anything to do with spying on Americans.

9) That Snowden took and released this material reveals that he a) hates the US and b) is some sort of naïve globalist and c) Is in fact a traitor.

Let me know which of the above 9 points you don't understand, and I'll be happy to elaborate on them.

Again, I suggest you also try reading the Guardian article, or even better, find someone who can read well to slowly read the article to you.

“I am NOT a conspiricy believer. For example, I dont believe that there is even an idea, let alone a coherent plan, in place for using all this machinery for our subjugation. At this point, anyhow.”

Perhaps not in the Stalin model yet. They are certainly willing to do anything to push their social agenda. Which includes elimination of 75% of the worlds population. At least according to Hillary and Bill Gates type people.

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posted on 06/16/2013 3:58:39 PM PDT
by driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)

Good posts. The Snowden case is an interesting one. One does not have to accept false choices of either being for the NSA or Snowden. Some people apparently can’t deal with multiple bad guys and degrees of bad. Both the NSA and Snowden are wrong. Snowden’s action crossed a line when he started spewing off about China. Snowden should be tracked down and neutralized (shot) before he does any more damage. NSA should be reined in and those involved dealt with. There are no heroes here.

This included:  Setting up internet cafes where they used an email interception programme and key-logging software to spy on delegates' use of computers;  Penetrating the security on delegates' BlackBerrys to monitor their email messages and phone calls;  Supplying 45 analysts with a live round-the-clock summary of who was phoning who at the summit;  Targeting the Turkish finance minister and possibly 15 others in his party;  Receiving reports from an NSA attempt to eavesdrop on the Russian leader, Dmitry Medvedev, as his phone calls passed through satellite links to Moscow. One document refers to a tactic which was "used a lot in recent UK conference, eg G20". The tactic, which is identified by an internal codeword which the Guardian is not revealing, is defined in an internal glossary as "active collection against an email account that acquires mail messages without removing them from the remote server". A PowerPoint slide explains that this means "reading people's email before/as they do". The same document also refers to GCHQ, MI6 and others setting up internet cafes which "were able to extract key logging info, providing creds for delegates, meaning we have sustained intelligence options against them even after conference has finished". This appears to be a reference to acquiring delegates' online login details. Another document summarises a sustained campaign to penetrate South African computers, recording that they gained access to the network of their foreign ministry, "investigated phone lines used by High Commission in London" and "retrieved documents including briefings for South African delegates to G20 and G8 meetings". (South Africa is a member of the G20 group and has observer status at G8 meetings.)

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posted on 06/16/2013 4:32:58 PM PDT
by txhurl
(RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)

I think that because we’ve been deceived, lied to, and steam rolled over, we (Americans) are desperate for the truth and validation of how we perceive policy ..and most of us will take it any way we can get it.

A person who wants to hold political office may run the first time on ‘principles’ but subsequent elections are probably because they like being there or just need the job. Since so many of them are extremely wealthy I assume its more of the first category.

To win elections its a matter of numbers. They do whatever they have to in order to get the votes to stay in office. The bastard Karl Rove is an expert at this. Its why people like him control the Republican party. Just my opinion.

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posted on 06/16/2013 6:07:14 PM PDT
by driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)

First, there are a small circle of Senators who likely knew all of the basic details to Snowden’s accusations, for several years, and never told the NSA to hold back. Each of these ladies and gentlemen knew there were violations of American law being committed.

Second, there is a US Army general in charge of NSA, who is honor-bound to obey American law. He has failed at his oath.

Third, this Snowden character is narcissist and this tendency should have been demonstrated at various points....to such a degree....that his clearance should have been revoked. They should have tested this guy yearly, and followed his comments that he posted on-line. He was a problem, waiting to occur.

Fourth and final....none of this is a Bush or Obama issue. NSA and the programs all started years ago, and mostly run on automatic. Congress grants them billions and a President likely gets an hour or two a week in briefings from them. This digital library of sorts being built in Utah? It needs to be separated from the agency and controlled by a totally separate unit, with a federal judge on the site...twenty-four hours a day (shift-work if necessary). That judge needs to appear in front of Congress quarterly and be the gate-keeper to prevent abuse from political figures. If he fails to do his job....he needs to do jail-time.

Snowden was disappointed in Obama in that he bashed Bush about spying on Americans but then expanded the program.

Since it came out, Obama has tried to justify it and stay above the scandal. Snowden has been trashed and the left tries to discredit him and downplay the seriousness of the spying. Yet they attacked Bush relentlessly for less. But Snowden’s beef is with the president and he doesn’t plan on ever coming back to America to stand trial. Releasing this information hurts Obama.

Snowden will keep landing punches because Obama will keep ignoring him and the spying and the left will keep trying to fight Snowden.

I hope Snowden has audio of embarrassing conversations of famous people because that will wake up a few more people by personalizing the spying.

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