I believe that now and for years back all of us had felt the need to express our opinion and to struggle for the well being of our beloved breed. Most of the things were already spoken of and about, yet a little has been done, so both our Dobermanns and we as breeders will be billed with a hefty price. Today the moment has come, more then ever before, for us to stand united and provide to each other a strong support, especially after recent unilateral decision by the IDC council, that becomes effective as of 1st of January, 2015 and upon which there would be no possibility to have docked and cropped dog and have it displayed on any show so the years of our work, blood, sweat and tears will be violently dismissed, all in the name of the decision in which we did not even participated.
Therefore an idea is being born, an idea about forming an international Dobermann breeder’s club. It will not be some obscure, illegal or parallel organization, but simply a club of renown and recognized breeders, the ones that are ready to use any and all means of democracy as well as the right to confront through debate, and if necessary to fight for the well being of our breed. This would be the starting point from which our voice would be heard by the ones that are managing the breeds’ beneficial organizations.
Who knows the breed’s problems better then us and who can advise and who is the one who could and should protect it? Surely, there has got to be the way and the time to get together and meet, at least on more important shows. For now, we need membership, ideas and advices by all of us, so we could do something before it’s too late.

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I know some of you might say this is a pet dobermann forum but the problems we are facing is universal...today to us in Europe, tomorrow for you guys in the States..
So if you are a breeder and against this standard change, please show your support by signing the petition.. and distribute this form as much as you can.

When our choices are taken away and the breeders who actually care about cardio are gone on to other breeds, or out of the game all together you won't have to worry about it. It's time we stand together on all issues, not sit here and constantly fight internally.

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Nothing is 'natural' about drop ears. All pure breeds are designed by man with a purpose, form, function and look that is is their heritage, their history - important parts of what made the breed and must be respected and preserved.

If we want the right to have that CHOICE, let's stand up and fight for ALL choice! Let's NOT remain neutral or silent about losing the right to choose just because YOUR choice may not be the one threatened!

When our choices are taken away and the breeders who actually care about cardio are gone on to other breeds, or out of the game all together you won't have to worry about it. It's time we stand together on all issues, not sit here and constantly fight internally.

So, are you saying that the breeders who are most diligent about cardio screening, and careful pedigree research, are also the exact ones who will leave the breed if there are government bans on cropping/docking?

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When our choices are taken away and the breeders who actually care about cardio are gone on to other breeds, or out of the game all together you won't have to worry about it. It's time we stand together on all issues, not sit here and constantly fight internally.

With the new change it doesn't seem like there's much of a choice to be had for breeders abroad, unfortunately. Taking away this "choice" could be the last nail in the coffin for many long time breeders. They will move to healthier breeds that don't need to be cropped and docked to preserve their breed type. We can all agree nothing is like a doberman but there are some decent alternatives, and much healthier ones at that.

Personally I think it was a bad move to ban cropped&docked dogs from competing. If they want to ban it happening on any new dogs that is fine, but why punish GOOD dogs and handlers in other countries where it is expected in a breed already struggling for both health AND sport success? Wasn't there a Landgraf dog, a good honest working doberman, that couldn't compete in an international event because he's cropped and docked? I think that is ridiculous and overly harsh.

Unfortunately I don't know of a better cutoff. Perhaps they could say that only dogs done prior to the ban could compete (with papers to prove birthdate) and within 10-15 years no dogs that are cropped or docked can compete... that should give breeders and handlers in crop/dock countries enough time to breed, train, and prove natural competitors. IDK. Something better than that 2 year cutoff they've got going now.

...that said... y'all know I like me a natural dog, so I can't complain about the ban per say. Personally I think that health should be first and foremost and honestly the original doberman is long gone, I think the founder would be rolling in his grave over the HEALTH of the breed alone before he started any fussing about ears and tails.

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With the new change it doesn't seem like there's much of a choice to be had for breeders abroad, unfortunately. Taking away this "choice" could be the last nail in the coffin for many long time breeders. They will move to healthier breeds that don't need to be cropped and docked to preserve their breed type. We can all agree nothing is like a doberman but there are some decent alternatives, and much healthier ones at that.

I guess, for me (and apparently others reading along), this begs the question, though--why isn't there seemingly as much passion and uproar about those breeders doing sketchy things, with regard to cardio and other major health issues, as there is about "breed type" as it relates to ears and tail?

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I don't know where people get the idea that when the ban on C/D goes ahead all of a sudden the cardio problem will go away.

First of all,the ban which has been in place in Western European countries for some years now has proven only one thing...the drastic reduction of the population of dobermann in those countries.. they are producing one forth of the litters they were producing before and NO scientific improvement has been recorded health wise!

So,if this universal ban is going to reduce the dobermann population (hence the gene pool) how the hell will it help the breeds health issues in the long run?

If these idiots proposing the ban had any real concern about the health of the breed, they wouldn't bother with C/D and concentrate on strict measures forcing breeders to do more extensive health testing.

My personal belief is that the standard change (ban on C/D) is being made towards making some people in high places happy..that's all

I don't know where people get the idea that when the ban on C/D goes ahead all of a sudden the cardio problem will go away...

Um, who said THIS? Makes zero sense.

All that is being said is--why isn't there an outcry about other, far more fundamental things that affect the Doberman?

Get all that stuff fixed, and then hoopledeeray, go for it, on the c/d uproar.

...If these idiots proposing the ban had any real concern about the health of the breed, they wouldn't bother with C/D and concentrate on strict measures forcing breeders to do more extensive health testing...

Hey, AMEN, on that idea. Get folks together, and get that done.

I will be surprised if that gets a universal good reception--but hey, it's certainly a more substantive move in the right direction, for the breed, than focusing on cosmetics alone.

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This is probably the only issue I'll ever agree with you on iceman. So i thank you twice.

All that ruling does is put yet another stress on the breed as a whole thru divisive means.

From my POV - old timers who've endured countless heartbreaks have this additional straw on the back of the doberman to consider- in some cases hastening their exit & contributions along with them.

Thing is -this ruling bans the showing of c/d dogs from countries where it's legal to do so. Thus splitting & narrowing the gene pool further.

That argument "good riddance to bad rubbish" with the presumption pro c/d-ers "must not love the breed " cuts both ways.

There will be consequences to "fixing" what ain't broke- by the time it's apparent it will be too late.
As it is I predict this breed at its current trajectory will be unrecognizable in 20 years in Europe.

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There will be consequences to "fixing" what ain't broke- by the time it's apparent it will be too late.
As it is I predict this breed at its current trajectory will be unrecognizable in 20 years in Europe.

Oh, docking a baby puppy's tail close to the age of when a human baby boy's penis is circumcised is all of a sudden inhumane?

And cropping a pure breed's pup's ears is inhumane? Cropping is done under the supervision and standards of practice of a DVM.

But, these same people who want "the best for animal welfare," especially France and the Orient-are the major consumers of HORSE MEAT!

And, the Orient, Japan and China, who are so deceitful when killing whales, that they LIE and put on the side of their whale killer boats, "Research Only," as they are killing whale, after whale, after whale, after baby whale.

But, these same people who want "the best for animal welfare," especially France and the Orient-are the major consumers of HORSE MEAT!

Let's not forget that in Asia not only is eating dog meat commonplace, there's also the practice of cracking open the skulls of live monkeys and scooping out pieces of brain which is considered a 'delicacy'.