Comments for The Final Table: Soepgroente (#2) - Final Table $200 Rebuy

phos77

really enjoyed the vid, great to see a long HU session gone into detail.

with this KJs hand, you say you want to keep your value range as wide as possible OTR so you check back the turn, could you explain why this is important? i mean if a comes OTR he may decide to c/c or VB himself, and i think if he's folding to a bet OTR he's probably folding to it OTT.also you say that you'd bet Ax here OTT but then go on to say that you're polarising your range to sets/flush/air?basically i'd like you to just explain why betting river > betting turn

Soepgroente

How far apart was this final table from the last one? Because it is pretty nasty that you bink 2 major tourneys and put the videos up here.

Well, the previous one was of a 20r (hardly a major imo) and that was in november. Around that time I did have a streak where I got about 10 FTs which was pretty amazing. Then I had a dry spell for a few months but 2 weeks ago I got this which helps

Soepgroente

really enjoyed the vid, great to see a long HU session gone into detail.

with this KJs hand, you say you want to keep your value range as wide as possible OTR so you check back the turn, could you explain why this is important? i mean if a comes OTR he may decide to c/c or VB himself, and i think if he's folding to a bet OTR he's probably folding to it OTT.also you say that you'd bet Ax here OTT but then go on to say that you're polarising your range to sets/flush/air?basically i'd like you to just explain why betting river > betting turn

thanks again for the great vid

Yeah I felt like I had a hard time explaining this. Basically I would bet Ax on the turn to get value from flushdraws sometimes but I would think my opponent thinks I would go for some potcontrol there most of the time, which I might actually do a fair % of the time in practice as I think keeping the pot managable is often more important than getting very thin value.

The main thing is that I don't think people will put me on a float if I call the flop 3ways, check back the turn then bet the river small. Also by the river he's checked to me a second time where he could be going for a c/r on the turn with some good hand. By the river him having checked another time just makes him have a hand that's going to fold a much higher % of the time.

If the river is a diamond I'm not loving it, but by betting I still think I can represent something like AT or 88 fairly well. Also another diamond will only fall like 20% of the time so it's not that big of a problem.

KRANTZ

agree that you want to 3-bet small here... it just works better for your overall game if you can bluff here, even if you are in actuality never bluffing - basically, it allows your opponent to make a mistake if you 3-bet small and play pretty perfectly (unless he's bad and you think you can level him into calling a hand he wouldn't ship over the 3b, but I don't think you have that kind of read on him) if you shove

KRANTZ

Gotta raise bigger here, to 250k+ - he is almost always either going to hero call or fold, and you want to maximize value the times he decides to call, and not worry too much about leaving him room to jam - it takes a special kind of monkey to bluff jam here, and that same kind of monkey will also jam over a bigger raise (he might even be slightly more likely to do so)

phos77

I think Soepgroente discusses hands well but I wish these weren't 70% heads up play. I don't think its that valuable for MTT'ers since getting heads up happens maybe once every 300 tournaments

i could not disagree more. the amount of $$$ difference between 1st and 2nd is enormous, and most MTTrs seem to have a pretty shoddy HU game. i think there are way too few HU sections in MTT videos. i'm not sure if watching HUNL cash is really the same, i guess it's ok for a general strategy but like goggles says, MTTrs and cash game guys play so different.

Soepgroente

i could not disagree more. the amount of $$$ difference between 1st and 2nd is enormous, and most MTTrs seem to have a pretty shoddy HU game. i think there are way too few HU sections in MTT videos. i'm not sure if watching HUNL cash is really the same, i guess it's ok for a general strategy but like goggles says, MTTrs and cash game guys play so different.

Agree with this. I think at least half my edge in MTTs comes from shorthanded play on final table.

Also there were just not that many interesting spots in the rest of the final table. Full ring 10-40bb poker is mostly extremely standard spots that few people misplay horribly nowadays.

Soepgroente

Gotta raise bigger here, to 250k+ - he is almost always either going to hero call or fold, and you want to maximize value the times he decides to call, and not worry too much about leaving him room to jam - it takes a special kind of monkey to bluff jam here, and that same kind of monkey will also jam over a bigger raise (he might even be slightly more likely to do so)

I wasn't particularly trying to get him to bluffjam as I don't think he'd go for that, just wasn't sure which betsizing makes him more likely to call with any diamond he was valuebetting. Probably doesn't matter too much tho and then a bigger bet is obviously better

Soepgroente

I forgot to mention in the video that I think my 4bet sizing is on the small side here, I would've rather seen myself make it 65k instead of 55. It's true that he's getting odds to flat with pretty much any pocket pair and some other stuff if utg doesn't shove, which is something we don't want with anything we might be 4betting here.

Pretty much whatever flop comes out that's not Txx I'd be bet/folding. He's never going to bluff in a 4bet pot and we do represent QQ+ so if the flop is 422 and we get raised I'd put him on 44 or KK+ the majority of the time.

aaahshoveit

Ok, the strength of his flop raising range and so choosing the B/F line makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the reply and the video.

(Bonus question for if your mindnumbingly bored: Assuming you make it 65K instead of 55k like you mentioned, how much would you generally bet on the flop? My guess is something like 1/3 pot, maybe even 1/4 since we're repping such a strong range that can and often will bet small looking to milk the opponent out of his chips that we can also mask our bet/fold line under it and save some of our stack if he does happen to raise, if that makes sense?)

spoonder

Great video again m8! Something about JJ hand. I prefer a 3bet and not a shove. This is also what you said on the video. With a 3bet there is room to make errors by players. I would prefer a good 3,25 3bet playing out position. Also im going all the way with this hand preflop(if someone shoves).

If you win the flip then u are in realy good shape to win the tournament.Pretty awesome that you win this 1. Have fun with it

Groeten!

Spoon

ps. the TT hand was pretty awesome and shows that u are playing very strong

actionjack

I was thinking about sizing your 3bet here. Since you recently 3bet him, maybe it'll work to 3bet to 2 times his opensize so you leave him some room to maybe spazz over some weaker aces. Another thing I was thinking about. In the JTo hand you said if you wouldve reshoved he might call you with anything like A9/AT hands like that. So if you consider those reads, isnt it better to reshove here, since his callingrange will contain weaker aces.

Soepgroente

When you were talking about trying to take control of the match, Do you think stepping up pre flop 3bet would be a good way to do this? (0:39)

Hi, sorry I forgot to check these vids regularly to reply.

Anyways, I think 3betting once you don't really have control of the match against a player like akari is going to result in him jamming over your reraise a lot, which puts him even more in control. Against a weaker player this would definitely be a valid option though.

I don't think him 3betting lots is necessarily what gives you control of the match. The hands that seem really key for me winning this match are hands like the one at 46:30ish (4bet all in with A4s and him folding, giving me a pretty big pot and showing I'm not afraid to put it in).

@actionjack, 17bb deep I'm pretty sure akari realises I'm never 3bet/folding anything, so I chose a more standard sizing to not seem so strong. I definitely think I can get away with like 50-55k though, as the players behind will not really flat. I can't give akari too great potodds though, so clicking it back is not an option. I do think a slightly larger raise than making it like 50k looks a little weaker, although I don't think I can represent a weak hand regardless when it's pretty clear I'm commited for 17bb.