Did he pm you a picture too? How on earth did you deduce that from just one sentence? And can I say I find this language fascinating! Makes no sense whatsoever!

Ummer Khan

1st July 2011, 06:58

^^^ acer aren`t u kashur(kashmiri) as well???

NO, he didn`t PM me or anything, it is the subtle difference in grammar that makes it possible to get whether the person is a muslim or a pandit.

KFC_Zinger

1st July 2011, 20:16

NO, he didn`t PM me or anything, it is the subtle difference in grammar that makes it possible to get whether the person is a muslim or a pandit.

Waise I never thought abt it, how did u guess it..... I think i was just too excited to see someone from Srinagar here and that too my hamsaya :) ......what is the change in grammar / mannerisms that u saw

NO, he didn`t PM me or anything, it is the subtle difference in grammar that makes it possible to get whether the person is a muslim or a pandit.

I am a pure Kashmiri, at heart unfortunately. I'm from Azad Kashmir where neither the Pakistanis think we're Pakistanis, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor the Kashmiris accept us as their own! Lol! I have a very good friend, originally from Srinagar and his language completely baffled me! I would to speak Kashur some day, Inshallah.

I get what you're saying. I can tell differences in the way people speak Punjabi and tell roughly where they're from but I've never seen anyone point out someones religion by their grammer! Well done Sir!!

Ummer Khan

2nd July 2011, 07:59

I am a pure Kashmiri, at heart unfortunately. I'm from Azad Kashmir where neither the Pakistanis think we're Pakistanis, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor the Kashmiris accept us as their own! Lol! I have a very good friend, originally from Srinagar and his language completely baffled me! I would to speak Kashur some day, Inshallah.

I get what you're saying. I can tell differences in the way people speak Punjabi and tell roughly where they're from but I've never seen anyone point out someones religion by their grammer! Well done Sir!!

Kashmir is the geographical entity which extends from the WAKHAN CORRIDOR in the north upto northern fringes of punjab in the south.

I know that many people confuse "kashmir valley" with KASHMIR but there are belts of kashmiri speaking people outside the valley in the hilly regions of kashmir e.g. doda, bhaderwah ,gool-gulabhgarh etc.
Being fluent in KASHUR language isn`t the pre-requisite for being an kashmiri.

Kashmiri in an ethnic term used for people who are native to KASHMIR region who share common origins , culture, religion and history.
Historically:
KASHMIR is the blanket term used for present day AK , VALLEY , LADAKH , JAMMU REGION and Northern areas.

Ummer Khan

2nd July 2011, 08:09

Counting upto 10 in kashmiri

1 = akh

2 = ze

3 = tre

4 = tchour ['tc' is the sound produced by approximation of upper and lower set of incisors with tongue behind them as 'chei' letter in urdu (rei with three dots on top)]

5 = paantch

6 = shei:afridi

7 = sathh

8 = aeth

9 = nav

10 = daah

KFC_Zinger

2nd July 2011, 09:23

I am a pure Kashmiri, at heart unfortunately. I'm from Azad Kashmir where neither the Pakistanis think we're Pakistanis, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, nor the Kashmiris accept us as their own! Lol! I have a very good friend, originally from Srinagar and his language completely baffled me! I would to speak Kashur some day, Inshallah.

I get what you're saying. I can tell differences in the way people speak Punjabi and tell roughly where they're from but I've never seen anyone point out someones religion by their grammer! Well done Sir!!

I thought people on that side of border also spoke the same language......

Both hindus and Muslims in kashmir valley speak the same language but there are some subtle differences, Ummer Khan will know more about it but i will still try and list a few

P.S. You know Kashmir valley has had the most peaceful religious coexistence throughout ages, even in 1947 it did not see any riots..... Its easily the best place to live :)

Ummer Khan

2nd July 2011, 09:57

^^^KFC------brother 'poyn' and 'aab' are words, having different origins.

TBH......the kashur spoken by the pandits is the one with little or no admixture , while the one which muslims speaks has a lot of words which have been borrowed from persian, arabic and other northern languages{but the variation will be less than 5% IMO**.

Asif321

5th November 2011, 17:08

yetee chi warai kashir baradar
rozan kat chiv .. tala waniv

iemjaved

15th November 2011, 13:50

alai yete wareha kashir, bae chos rozaan karan nagar, srinagar.

Asif321

15th November 2011, 15:49

alai yete wareha kashir, bae chos rozaan karan nagar, srinagar.

sallam baradar z chuk tel downtown uk hero :akhtar

bi chuse rozan baramulla

iemjaved

15th November 2011, 16:10

sallam baradar z chuk tel downtown uk hero :akhtar

bi chuse rozan baramulla

w/s, tuhe chewa waray...

karan nagar katte gow downtown..

bramulla katte chew rozaan.

Wasim_Waqar

1st December 2011, 21:52

My maternal side is from Kashmir: I was going to go to Srinagar in 2008 but could not due to Amarnath-related riots whilst I was in India. For any British-based Kashmiris, there is a petition for Kashmir in time pass that I set up on the UK government website.

Inziquicksingle

12th December 2011, 18:20

Some great banter between fellow koshurs.

I personally think knowing the Kashmiri language is essential to ones Kashmiri identity. By this I mean at least understanding the language because your parents or grand parents spoke in it. Ive come across a lot of "kashmiris" especially from the Pakistan side who speak in other languages like Punjabi which really doesn't make sense.

Also, lots of people love calling themselves Kashmiri because they have one distant relative or something that was Kashmiri or have some obscure connection to Kashmir. It sounds exotic of course.

Pahari

12th December 2011, 23:09

Some great banter between fellow koshurs.

I personally think knowing the Kashmiri language is essential to ones Kashmiri identity. By this I mean at least understanding the language because your parents or grand parents spoke in it. Ive come across a lot of "kashmiris" especially from the Pakistan side who speak in other languages like Punjabi which really doesn't make sense.

Also, lots of people love calling themselves Kashmiri because they have one distant relative or something that was Kashmiri or have some obscure connection to Kashmir. It sounds exotic of course.

mixture of languages and people. Just because someone happens to live in an area called Kashmir does not mean they are Kashmiris. Ladakh is a part of Kashmir, but Ladakhis are a different ethnic people.

Pahari

18th December 2011, 11:17

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/03/kashmir_future/img/maps/kashmir_5_350.gif
that's true, we share more in common with the jammu people north of the chenab (poonch and rajouri etc..)
i personally think farsi should have been used as the lingua franca at the creation of pakistan, but that's just me. maybe if an independent kashmir is formed who knows with trade opening up, kashmiri (koshur) may become the lingua franca

khawajahamad

25th August 2012, 11:59

Anybody interested in learning kashmiri.Lemme know!!

can you please give me lessons to learn kashmiri, i know some already maybe on skype chat?