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Leftards who en bloc voted Len Brown into the Auckland Mayoralty, have another reason to hold their heads in shame.

Brown’s latest cock-up: A Car Parking building in Manukau City (heavily promoted by Loony Len and built at a cost of $14 Million of ratepayer money) has a total capacity of 680 spaces but an occupancy rate of only 13%. Parking rates have even been slashed to $1 per hour and $4 per day (earlybird) in an effort to attract customers. But it still hasn’t worked. Yet Len is unrepentant:

“This project is an investment in the future of Manukau City along with the neighbouring train station and MIT campus currently being built,” he said. “It is an example of our commitment to our growing metropolitan centres across Auckland.”

A planned $6 million expansion of the carpark has been cancelled.

Thanks, Len. This fiasco is reason 2,784 why you should never have been allowed to (temporarily) take the reins of our largest City. Your ‘credibility’ has sunk to a fresh nadir.

You should never be allowed near the City’s cheque book again – unless accompanied by an adult.

According to Daily Caller, there are petitions afoot in 19 States in America to secede from the Union.

How would Old Glory look with 30 stars instead of 50? As far-fetched as it may sound, the White House might soon be forced by its own rules to examine the question.

On Nov.7, the day after President Barack Obama was re-elected, the White House’s website received a petition asking the administration to allow Louisiana to secede.

If 25,000 people sign the petition by Dec. 7, it will “require a response” from the Obama administration, according to published rules of the White House’s online “We the People” program.

The Louisiana petition has collected more than 12,300 signatures in four days. A separate effort from Texas has 15,400 supporters.

Similar petitions from 18 other states began arriving Nov. 9, bringing the total — for the moment — to 20.

The White House website publicly displays petitions that have attracted at least 150 signers.

“Michael E” from the New Orleans suburb of Slidell penned the initial proposal — the website doesn’t provide last names — in which he asked the Obama administration to “[p]eacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

His entire petition consisted of excerpts from the Declaration of Independence.

“Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” one portion read, “that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.”

“Micah H” from Arlington, Texas submitted the petition on behalf of the Lone Star State.

“The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending,” he wrote.

Texas, he added, “maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world,” making it “practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union.”

What began as a pair of parallel stunts appears to have gathered steam. Other than Louisiana and Texas, states with secession-related petitions pending on the White House website now include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee.

Three states — Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina are each represented by two competing petitions.

While most of the petitions mimic the Louisiana effort’s tribute to the Declaration of Independence, Montana’s and Florida’s focus on the same quoted line from Benjamin Franklin: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

And a few abandon the Founding Fathers entirely, going off instead on their own less poetic tangents.

“The Federal Government has imposed policies on Oregon that are not in Oregon’s best intrests [sic],” reads one submitted by “Kristopher W” of Tillamook, Oregon. ”[A]nd we as citizens would respectively and peacably [sic] seperate [sic] ourselves from a tyranical [sic] Government who cares nothing about creating a sustainable future for our children.”

“just like in 1860,” reads one of the two petitions submitted on behalf of the citizens of Georgia, “the south secede [sic] from the union.”

“kyle. r” from Cornelia, Georgia added only that in “2012 the state of georgia [sic] would like to withdraw from the USA.”

“Jason B” from Harrowgate, Tennessee volunteered only a few words to describe his request for a license to secede. “Helping the people of Tennessee,” he wrote. And nothing more.

The petitions that followed those from Louisiana and Texas have attracted between 300 and 4,000. Their chances to land on a White House staffer’s desk, probably for a polite guffaw, will expire between Dec. 9 and Dec. 11.

Let’s revert, momentarily, to the ETS scam and the criminally insane faction that still believe in AGW/CC (see also today’s Stuff for more red melon propaganda) and their main “booster”, the IPCC.

This from Climate Conversation:

Veiling an inconvenient truth
Richard Treadgold| November 12, 2012
– from a reviewer of the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, in preparation.
Because of the IPCC’s assinine restrictions against early disclosure, this climate scientist cannot be identified.
I’m reviewing the 5AR WG I contribution.
The only thing that should scare the wits out of anyone is how blinkered and defensive the IPCC is.
Something is very seriously wrong when it’s not until Chapter 10 – which means about 600 or more pages into the finished report – that we find the comment that there’s been no significant warming since 1998.
(Actually that’s wrong. It’s easy to show that the trend in HadCRUT3 monthly data from January 1997 to July 2012 is flat.)
I saw no mention of this astonishing admission in
(a) the Summary for Policy Makers (SPM).
(b) Chapter 1, which summarises the science.
(c) Chapter 2, which deals with the atmosphere and surface temperatures.
Why is this stunning refutation of previous IPCC forecasts of strong warming driven by rising levels of CO2 hidden away in Chapter 10?
It really is shocking how far the IPCC will go to show warming where none exists.
Responses to “Veiling an inconvenient truth”

Peter Fraser says:

Does this mean AGW is a flatliner? to use the paramedics term Unfortunately I think not. Even thirty years of flat lining will not convince the more rabid warmists, ten years of decline may go some way to quietening them Here is hoping.

The employment contracts act was seen as a blow to the worker, the blow being from the employer. Nobody considered that given a lack of channeling of worker opinion stubble on the face trendy Pooh bah types would fill the seat taken by the people who drive the buses, undo the nuts and bolts and hammer the nails.
On the shop floor those dorks at the Standard would go head first into the dumpster.

“It’s easy to show that the trend in HadCRUT3 monthly data from January 1997 to July 2012 is flat.)”

???? only if you ignore the small rise
What you really mean too say is the record temperature of 1998 is now totally normal
To cherry pick one small section of a trend to make noise about and ignore everything else is a typical denial propaganda tactic
How do you explain the ice melt, warming seas, changes in ecology permafrost shrinking still happening. You don’t you just want to spin statistics Graphic for the mentally challenged http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif

“ETS scam and the criminally insane faction that still believe in AGW/CC (see also today’s Stuff for more red melon propaganda) and their main “booster”, the IPCC.”

Lets blame political party’s governmental departments and international organisations for producing science we don’t agree with. Totally ignoring that the majority of scientists are not political animals. Make a case for this global conspirawacky you so love Nutter then swap it for one of reids.

“Does this mean AGW is a flatliner? to use the paramedics term Unfortunately I think not. Even thirty years of flat lining will not convince the more rabid warmists, ten years of decline may go some way to quietening them Here is hoping.”

Sixty years of scientifically predicted rising temperatures have not convinced the denial echo chamber Have a close look at your own standard of proof

jaba – it’s a waiting game now. Shearer and the other MPs made standard multi-meaning denials this morning, so it’s anyones’s guess what’s going on – but it must be a very interesting caucus. If Shearer is really in denial as he made out and leadership is not on their agenda at all. It has to be discussed, so implying it wouldn’t is a fib for a start. If not it means there’s a huge elephant in the caucus room.

Having studied your programme, and having checked the backgrounds of your speakers and facilitators, I fail to see one person who could be said to represent ‘Civil Society’?

(Perhaps not all ‘pillars’ are equal? Perhaps some ‘pillars’ are more significant than others?)

I say this an a recognised ‘Anti-corruption activist’ / ‘Whistleblower’ who has attended two significant Anti-Corruption Conferences – the Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference in Brisbane in 2009, and the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference in Bangkok in 2010.

My track record is proven in fighting for a genuinely ‘open, transparent and accountable’ NZ local and central government and judiciary.

Had I known about this event – I would have made the effort to attend.
Not only was I not notified – it was only by chance that I even discovered that it was happening.

However, given my previous treatment by Transparency International NZ – I am not surprised that myself, and other ‘civil society / anti-corruption Public Watchdogs/ Whistleblowers’ were not notified.

In 2009, not only did Transparency International NZ refuse to accept me (and others) as a member (no reasons were given), but at the November 2009 AGM, after being denied access to the TINZ AGM address by the Attorney-General (which was open to non-members), again – with no reasons given, myself and judicial ‘Public Watchdog’ – Vince Siemer, were arrested for trespass.

“TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL NEW ZEALAND ORDERS ARREST OF ANTI-CORRUPTION ADVOCATE

11 December 2009

In a stinging irony – on United Nations International Anti-Corruption Day no less – Chairman Gerald McGhie of Transparency International’s “autonomous” New Zealand chapter ordered Police to arrest public watchdog Penny Bright for trespassing at its Annual General Meeting on Wednesday. This was despite the government-funded group riding her coat-tails as a watchdog front ostensibly focused on increasing transparency and exposing corruption. Attendees were given pamphlets with the bold heading “CORRUPTION RUINS LIVES – FIGHT BACK”.
………………………….
________________________________________________________________________________________________

The Police later dropped the charges – but what sort of purported ‘anti-corruption’ organisation treats genuine ‘anti-corruption activists’ like that?

It is with some concern that I note the prominent role being played in the establishment of this ‘National Integrity System’ by some of the major accountancy firms, such as Deloitte, KPMG, PwC – who arguably have a vested interest in New Zealand being ‘perceived’ as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – when the reality, in my considered opinion, is that New Zealand is actually a corrupt, polluted tax haven.

For example – to whom is the money going in New Zealand in the establishment of ‘foreign trusts’?

The role of international accountancy firms has been highlighted by internationally acknowledged experts such as Professor Prem Sikka, with whom I am in regular contact.

“Organisation: University of Essex (UK) and the Association for Accountancy Affairs (AABA)
Prem Sikka is professor of Accounting at the University of Essex, UK. His research on accountancy, auditing, tax avoidance, tax havens, corporate governance, money laundering, insolvency and business affairs has been published in books, international scholarly journals, newspapers and magazines. He has appeared on radio and television programmes to comment on business matters.”

FYI – I have ‘blown the whistle’, nationally and internationally, and sent the following post around the world on 10 November 2012:

To members of the international Tax Justice Network / separately to my latest Transparency International Secretariat and individual country ‘chapter’ list / to 70 World Bank folk whose addresses I found on the World Bank website / to all NZ MPs / to all Auckland Council elected reps (council + Local Boards) / NZ and some international media / NZ human rights groups …… etc….

Transparency International were in the middle of their 15th International Anti-Corruption Conference, and should be announcing any time soon their 2012 ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

(Which isn’t very transparent – given that it is based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous business people?)
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Hillary Clinton let the cat out of the bag this week. She gave a speech at the global initiative — where she said that the elites of the world do not pay their fair share of taxes. She called for global tax reform to make sure that they do pay their fair share of taxes.

Now what she is referring to is a proposal that is cooking its way up through the European Union and the United Nations. For the UN to impose a global tax on billionaires… it may go down to millionaires… but it is at least billionaires in its proposal.

[The money] would then go to third world countries to fuel their corruption. Massive transfer of wealth. From people who earned it to people who are about to steal it.

This is the beginning of Obama’s new second term move to give the UN power to tax the United States. And to force us to give foreign aid by taking our money.

Pete, I very rarely read The Standard as you know, but for some reason I read that entry today. Allow me to respond to Eddie.

Eddie, you may be pleased to know that I’m pretty damn angry too.

I’m angry that you and your ilk constantly misrepresent and ouright lie about the facts to suit your own twisted world view. I’m angry that you constantly talk about ‘the elites’ or ‘the privileged’ and manage to infer that anyone who dares to commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with you is portrayed as ‘elite’ or ‘privileged’. We’ve seen that attitude too many times over recent years. Anybody who disagrees with you, or even voices their support for someone you don’t like, is the enemy. (Darien Fenton versus The Mad Butcher, anybody?)

I’m angry that you constantly make out that the only honest way to earn a crust is by the blood, sweat, and toil of a blue collar worker, and that anybody who works with their brains is somehow less valuable, if not outright worthless. Those of us who work hard, learn new skills, apply our intelligence and skills, study, and expend time and effort to upskill ourselves are worthless in your eyes. Somehow you manage to neatly sidestep the self-righteous prick that runs your website, the lawyer that works himself into apoplectic fits about those nasty righties, and the other regulars who have never worked at manual labour. They’re on your side, so that’s okay.

And I’m angry that you constantly bemoan those evil bastard employers, but never ever give them credit for providing jobs, employment, and income; for paying a large chunk of taxes in this country; for basically making this country prosperous. I’m not an employer; I wouldn’t have the guts to take the risk that I might wind up with somebody who has an unrealistic sense of entitlement and an ingrained belief that he should be earning an inflated wage even if he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing, and believes he’s doing me a favour by deigning to turn up to work.

“Contrary to popular belief, which blames the global financial crisis on subprime borrowers, it was the derivatives, based upon the likelihood that those borrowers would pay their debts, that were the primary catalyst triggering the global economic crisis of 2008.”

Thats like

“contrary to popular belief, it wasnt Dime that bankrupted BNZ. It was their expectation that he would pay back the 3 billion he borrowed from them”

Dime: Spot on with both comments. Willie is indeed as thick as …moa shit. Before his ancestors wiped them all out, as part of the fantastic sustainable management of the environment demonstrated by the tangata whenua before the tangati tiriti came along and imposed their western cultural mores and…..sorry, wrong thread!

At least Penny seems to bugger off whenever I repeat my question….If I am not here when she appears chaps, please feel free to pose the same question to her…of course I may be as delusional as her, and her disappearance when the “are you on a benefit” question is pure coincidence….

PennyWhy have proven ‘anti-corruption’ civil society ‘whistleblowers not been invited to today’s launch of the NZ National Integrity System Assessment?

and below that, Penny, you write –

“TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL NEW ZEALAND ORDERS ARREST OF ANTI-CORRUPTION ADVOCATE
11 December 2009
In a stinging irony – on United Nations International Anti-Corruption Day no less – Chairman Gerald McGhie of Transparency International’s “autonomous” New Zealand chapter ordered Police to arrest public watchdog Penny Bright for trespassing at its Annual General Meeting on Wednesday.

There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty. Grassroots Republican operatives and Movement conservatives are quickly turning against the GOP Establishment in the wake of the party’s expensive defeat this election cycle.

Dover Samuels found guilty of driving in a bus lane. At least he was only driving in it, rather than pissing in it.

Yes chiz the bus lane probably had a lucky escape.

WTF is it with politicians that they think they can make up some stupid story like: I’m a country bumpkin who doesn’t understand; and get away with it? Raising this trivia as a serious point merely wastes the court’s time and is the same disrespectful attitude Hone displays, when he says he’ll use his upcoming court case for his housing protest, as an opportunity to grandstand his current populist cause. What about: respect for one’s position as an MP in terms of upholding civil institutions, don’t either of these mentals, understand?

Why the fuck do we have to not merely tolerate but even pay these people, who, being lawmakers themselves, trash our laws by treating the just and open administration of them with complete and utter contempt. What the fuck about: setting an example of good behaviour, don’t either of these idiots understand?

I really hope the second Hone makes one unequivocal move to grandstand like some stupid political statement from the dock, the Judge nails him for contempt and gives him 21 days in prison to think about what he did.

See if that happened Hone would sit there for 21 days with the media camped outside getting madder and madder and then when he made his next appearance he’d do it again. He just wouldn’t be able to stop, it goes against his whole nature as a warrior. Let’s hope so. You see the beautiful elegant symmetry of the whole affair. No more Hone. Forever and ever.

A report by the International Energy Association notes that the US will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s leading oil producer by 2017 and will overtake Russia as the leading producer of natural gas in 2015.

The I.E.A. estimates that electricity prices will be about 50 percent cheaper in the United States than in Europe, largely because of a rise in the number of power plants fuelled by cheap natural gas.

The secret list of the 28 “experts” at the climate convention, which the BBC used to officially justify bias about global warming, has been discovered (the BBC recently mounted a successful legal challenge to prevent the list being made public.)

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With Auckland house prices having topped an average of over $600,000 for the first time, what should be done to take the increasing heat out of the residential property market?
Choices
Nothing – let the market find its own level
The Government should introduce a capital gains tax on housing
The Reserve Bank should push up interest rates by raising the OCR
The Reserve Bank should use Loan to Value Ratio limits to cool the market

Here’s my summary of the key news overnight in 90 seconds at 9 am, with the world’s media impressed with the latest IEA World Energy Outlook.

Two features of that report stand out: firstly, North America is at the forefront of a sweeping transformation in oil and gas production that will affect all regions of the world; and secondly, just how much thermal coal is being produced, especially in China.

The IEA also notes a similar transformative shift in global energy efficiency and that is supressing demand along with the recession in Europe. Energy is cheap these days, ignoring the taxes we impose on it. The shift from oil to gas is also impressive.

“To cherry pick one small section of a trend to make noise about and ignore everything else is a typical denial propaganda tactic”

Er, the Hockeystick, the central icon of global warming alarmism and something which you bizarrely still try to defend, was contrived from carefully cherry-picked data. Remember that Mann had a folder named “Censored” on his computer which contained additional data which he had excluded from his infamous chart because when he left it in he didn’t get the hockeystick shape?

Is it okay for alarmists to cherry-pick then, Griff?

Why do you claim to deplore cherry-picking on the one hand yet resolutely defend it when it suits your prejudices? Just another example of your complete dishonesty I’m afraid son.

And the Yamal data-set which was included in those me-too hockeysticks? Same thing. Cherry-picked data which in no way reflects the content of the broader data.

In fact, cherry-picking is an officially approved alarmist method of creating misleading charts: to quote alarmist “scientist” Rosanne D’Arrigo “cherry-picking is necessary if you want to make cherry-pie.“

So wat you are back to claiming that stolen emails reviewed nine times are proof of fraud
That is accusation the climate scientists concocted the science. review. no fault found.The denial Eco chamber accuses again.
including Reviews from

House of Commons Science and Technology Committee

Science Assessment Panel

Pennsylvania State University

Independent Climate Change Email Review
a British investigation commissioned by the UEA and chaired by Sir Muir Russell

United States Environmental Protection Agency report

Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce

National Science Foundation

All finding
NO evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged by the end of the investigations

Wouldn’t you think after that many inquiries any problems with the science would have been identified.
Sane people would find them not guilty after that. Wat just claims its a conspawhacky on the behalf of all the bodies involved
Wat might just be lacking in critical thinking

This is no surprise. Another notch in the all-pervasive feminist agenda which in this narrow example sees girls growing up believing their road to happiness is to act like a boy: hard-drinking, aggressive, competitive, casual sex, the whole works. None of the gentle feminine traits of yore. They’re not relevant, anymore.

And then they reach their forties and find that maybe they were wrong. Their “career” isn’t after all, worth more than children, they realise. But it’s too late. We’re not there yet, so far most career women still have children. But each generation gets closer to that, doesn’t it.

Let’s be clear shall we; you’re not actually disputing any of the facts I cited are you?

You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

No, didn’t think so.

Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

“Gay marriage legalized on the same day as marijuana makes perfect biblical sense. Leviticus 20:13: ‘A man who lays with another man should be stoned.’ Our interpretation has just been wrong for all these years.””

Yamal data-set The research has moved on and includes a lot more data than just the yamal tree rings

Guess what Wat the hockey stick still there and growing in conclusiveness
It is warmer today than it has been in the last 2000 years. We have conclusive evidence not limited to the discovery of artifacts made of leather and feather that will not last more than a week being uncovered by ice melt in both the Swiss alps and the Americas dating from pre roman times
The warmest it got during the MWP is the same temperature as the fifty’s I got that from WUWT .

To give you an idea of how much work has been done that confirmed the hockey stick shape of the resent warming compared to Paleoclimate reconstructions here are some papers from only one research organiseation
NOAA Paleoclimate Network of 92 Temperature Reconstructions and proxy/instrumental data to make reconstructions

As we both know, last time you cited a list of things you claimed supported your position we found that they in fact contradicted you completely.

There is no doubt you have done exactly the same thing here: cut and pasted a long list of stuff without the first clue as to their content.

So allow me to repeat:

You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

No, didn’t think so.

Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

What I want to see from both sides of the AGW divide is total worst-case position papers from both sides. Show everyone just how bad it could possibly get, openly and scientifically, if the worst possible thing happened, up to and including an Earth-Sun collision simulation.

Until we have that, we know nothing, so let’s all just shut up about it until that information becomes available.

“Yamal data-set – The research has moved on and includes a lot more data than just the yamal tree rings”

Our friend Griff then provides a long list of studies he assumes illustrates his point. Including this one which deals with, er, Yamal (so yes, he just cut’n’pasted a long list of stuff with no clue as to its content):

I just answered you can you not read ? yamel is soooo last century you are hung up on one small series from Siberia and you ignore every other study that does not confirm your bias

Are you related to penny by any chance? you are just as nutty Your continued reference to the climate emails is the same as penny over banks and co. You continue to deny that the scientist have been cleared.

Can you then please exclude from you thoughtlessly cut’n’pasted list all those studies which don’t include the Yamal series.

Then we can examine what’s left.

Otherwise you’re left looking a bit of a tit saying that we’re ‘beyond Yamal’ and then citing a load of papers which, you know, include Yamal.

In the meantime, perhaps you could answer a couple of straight questions rather than doing your utmost to avoid them:

You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

No, didn’t think so.

Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

the only reason there is no debate milkenmoron is because the followers of AGW have their fingers in their ears screaming lalalalalalala, and deciding because they cannot hear any dissent there isn’t any.

and lets not forget the giant hypocrisy of all AGW fanatics, demanding that due to the ‘crisis’ we all need to change our habits, but they of course dont mean themselves, so they still fly, drive and burn carbon as much if not more (see your king, mr gore) than the rest of us.

As I said penny dabney
Any argument that hinges on the climate emails is founded on a classic denial. Aka a Penny Bright
As that would mean that all the reviews I posted are corrupt. massive conspiracy theory’s are not really my thing . Reid will discus yours if you look at his alien.

Perhaps you could answer a couple of straight questions rather than doing your utmost to avoid them:

You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

No, didn’t think so.

Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

Well said Griff. If current climate science is a gigantic hoax, then it sure explains why it has been so easy to fake the moon landings, set up Lee Harvey Oswald as a patsy, hide the aliens captured at Roswell, plant evidence that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and conceal the true nature of the rulers of the Earth (I’m still not sure whether they’re Freemasons, Catholics, Illuminate, Rosicrucians, the Bilderberg Group or the PPTA).

So if its so true Mlik and you clearly believe in it, what are you doing to drastically reduce your carbon footprint? surely not using the internet? thats a frivolous waste, no tv either, no flying anywhere.

becuase surely if you are a believer in the ‘crisis’ of AGW you would want to be a leader and show the way with reducing your impact.

or are you another spineless fucking coward who ‘beleives’ but will only do something when you can have those of us who are sceptical forced to reduce our lifestyle, which of course you wont have to do, becuase the party elite never have to live the way they espouse the rest do.

Thank you for caring Grendel. I am indeed trying to reduce my ecological footprint. I do not drive a car and travel to work each day by rail or bus. I sort my rubbish for recycling and compost a lot of kitchen and garden waste. I try to buy long lasting stuff and get things repaired rather than throwing them away. I have not travelled by air for over two years.
These are all very easy things to do. I could do a lot more, I have a feeling that it is kind of wasteful to burn natural gas for my home heating and hot water, but I lack the wherewithal to switch when I have modern fittings and there would be such a long pay back period.
Please tell me what else I should do.

When I read something on Kiwiblog that seems bat-shit crazy, i often run it through the very helpful RationalWiki site. Amazingly, there is usual a rational explanation that does indeed debunk the nonsense and in such a way that makes it only too apparent that the offender is indeed as thick as pig shit.

“as no one ever thinks they’re being irrational, they’re likely to accuse anyone who disagrees with them as irrational. In principle, this point extends to RationalWiki itself, which declares everyone who doesn’t follow its POV irrational – making the choice of title somewhat unfortunate and ironic.”

Yes, I am aware of the ironic tone; which is one of the reasons that it is such an enjoyable site. You may well be unable to accept your own irrationality, I’m happy to admit my own, and perhaps a few other falibilities or foibles. It must be difficult being right all the time; even being right now must be a bit of a strain.

mikenmild 9:28 “I could do a lot more, I have a feeling that it is kind of wasteful to burn natural gas for my home heating and hot water, but I lack the wherewithal to switch when I have modern fittings and there would be such a long pay back period.”

whats this “long payback period”. Thats only for neolibs. You’re supposed to be saving the planet. Get to it.

Good to hear that you don’t fly. Unfortunately Gareth Hughes and Kennedy Graham have already used your share (and more) so you are still in the negative and will need to cut back some more.