Inscription bearing the name of Pontius Pilate, the man who had Yeshua executed at the request of the Sanhedrin discovered buried under the ancient
city of Caesarea, where Yeshua preached the most.

There's actually quite a bit of evidence being turned up to support christianity, science is only just beginning to catch up and discover things. In
the archeaology world there is a saying "absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence". If we haven't found it yet, we will given time with the
development of technologies like ground penetrating radar and satellite imaging.

When it comes to ancient man and where modern man came from, and given the fact that mythology, religion, and in many cases, history, has been
corrupted BY MAN for MAN'S AGENDAS, you'd have to be a fool to believe ANYTHING about said topics. Which brings me to the point at hand: why is it
so hard for people to just say "I DON'T KNOW?" Because that is the absolute truth. No one knows whether man came from ancient aliens, a
supernatural god that created the universe, a race of telletubbies living inside deep Earth, or from nothing etc.

The fact that mankind conducts genocides over mythology, religion, and the unknown is about all I need to know that it's all garbage and no one knows
anything about anything. Like someone else said, if humans actually knew "the truth" about everything, there'd be a revolution that would last
about a day on Earth and every institution mankind has ever produced would be declared null and void.

Even if those tombs are real, does it mean the bible is the truth? There are tombs with "gods" all over Earth, worshiped by dozens of ancient
people's who likely didn't know of other people's "gods", and LONG before Christianity. Like 10s of thousands of years. Archeologists are uncovering
ancient cities all over Earth they are dating thousands of years older than when the bible was written. So who's god is the real god? Will the real
god please stand up!

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It is obvious that the OP has posted a trailer / video for marketing and advertising purposes, so that he at some point in the future (september 2012)
will have some economic gain from his post.

His OP is nothing more than an advertisement, and expresses nothing regarding the subject of the post.

Well I suppose that is one way of getting past a topic you don't like...just call foul and hope the umpire's remove the offending player from the
field....won't work though...I'll happily address this fantasy in a new thread without the offense of which you cry about....

AA theory is just another religion...based on "faith" and "Belief"...every bit of "evidence" it spews has already been addressed by "real"
science....and they choose to ignore it to support their "faith....

Well I suppose that is one way of getting past a topic you don't like...just call foul and hope the umpire's remove the offending player from the
field....won't work though...I'll happily address this fantasy in a new thread without the offense of which you cry about....

AA theory is just another religion...based on "faith" and "Belief"...every bit of "evidence" it spews has already been addressed by "real"
science....and they choose to ignore it to support their "faith....

Sounds like religion to me....

I have absolutely NO problem with the thread content or discussion. I just don't like how the OP slipped this in as an advertisement for an upcoming
movie, instead of an actual discussion thread.

Its a shame it got this far, but, the conversation to date is energetic.

Nothing to do with the topic. Everything to do with the intent and delivery.

Well I suppose that is one way of getting past a topic you don't like...just call foul and hope the umpire's remove the offending player from the
field....won't work though...I'll happily address this fantasy in a new thread without the offense of which you cry about....

AA theory is just another religion...based on "faith" and "Belief"...every bit of "evidence" it spews has already been addressed by "real"
science....and they choose to ignore it to support their "faith....

Sounds like religion to me....

I have absolutely NO problem with the thread content or discussion. I just don't like how the OP slipped this in as an advertisement for an upcoming
movie, instead of an actual discussion thread.

Its a shame it got this far, but, the conversation to date is energetic.

Nothing to do with the topic. Everything to do with the intent and delivery.

Well that is fair and thank you for your polite rebuttal.

You might be correct on that. The OP openly confessed their overall views which I personally found disappointing....this is one time "the enemy of
my enemy is my friend" does not apply...

There are those that seek facts....and this is science....
there are those that seek truth....this is philosophy and religion....

I seek both fact and truth....to the limits of my comprehension anyway....

I would love to see debunkers and shills debunking 6,000 years of evidences spread all over the planet,ancient scriptures depicting
"star-gods", megalithic buildings cut with laser precision and assembled in blocks that modern cranes can't handle, Hindu texts depicting aerial
machines, types of fuel used, flight range, nuclear weapons and above all thousands of Sumerian clay tablets describing an entire alien colonization
on Earth.

I would love to see fringies such as yourself actually provide evidence for the bolded so-called "facts" you proclaim above, rather than making up
crap as you go along.

I wasn't talking to you specifically to talk about ad hominem, when saying the part about how come you cannot even accept a possibility; you = you all
who so eagrly dismiss the idea

As for how did exactly humans become from dinosaurs to mammals and exactly one type of these early apes became so smart. Where is the proof? Science
is all about proof afterall. Science does not explain that, so there is more to search for the answer of our 'evolution'?! that I can say for sure.
Case not closed.

I am a person of science, that means open for ideas about unexplained or not completely explained things, there is nothing unscientific about making
theories for the missing things that science has not explained, whenever these theories also use some sort of evidence, not too strong to be a fact
though.

That means something found in the desert artifact, drawing whatever can be a work of art, can be notm especially if claimed to retell an event, making
a guess it was done by an artsy boy is the same rush conclusion as saying it was describing aliens. The fact is - you cannot know for some of the
cases, (excluding those that can be proven human-capable)

I however think the evidence is a lot of something non human, foo fighters in WW2 and the tons of info and sightings all over the centuries and this
one, yes it's just to entertain public. Nice thinking. I've done such 'debates' before to know they lead to nowhere.

I can't grasp why anyone would feel the need to produce a "Debunking Ancient Aliens" film; beyond having spare time that they can't work out what
to do with?

If someone who watches "Ancient Aliens" is so mentally feeble that they take everything said as being the truth, and are incapable of drawing their
own conclusions, then they are essentially beyond help. That's assuming the motives for this debunking film are altruistic.

I wasn't talking to you specifically to talk about ad hominem, when saying the part about how come you cannot even accept a possibility; you = you
all who so eagrly dismiss the idea

As for how did exactly humans become from dinosaurs to mammals and exactly one type of these early apes became so smart. Where is the proof? Science
is all about proof afterall. Science does not explain that, so there is more to search for the answer of our 'evolution'?! that I can say for sure.
Case not closed.

I am a person of science, that means open for ideas about unexplained or not completely explained things, there is nothing unscientific about making
theories for the missing things that science has not explained, whenever these theories also use some sort of evidence, not too strong to be a fact
though.

That means something found in the desert artifact, drawing whatever can be a work of art, can be notm especially if claimed to retell an event, making
a guess it was done by an artsy boy is the same rush conclusion as saying it was describing aliens. The fact is - you cannot know for some of the
cases, (excluding those that can be proven human-capable)

I however think the evidence is a lot of something non human, foo fighters in WW2 and the tons of info and sightings all over the centuries and this
one, yes it's just to entertain public. Nice thinking. I've done such 'debates' before to know they lead to nowhere.

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Imtor because: (no reason given)

Thank you for the kind response. I too appreciate science over most other things. I completely appreciate that science has not answered all
questions to some people's likings...yet. I however....do believe it eventually will...

I think there is a rational and logical explanation to everything that we are yet to address. It might be found in sciences we have not even opened
yet...but I just have a hunch the answers do not lie in ET intervention or "mythological beings".

All things being considered....I like to believe I am a person that lives with "the madness of infinite possibility"....but...that does not mean I
dismiss a magical word called "probability". While...given the idea of a "multi-verse 'and within such anything and everything has
happened....despite the laws of physics....there is still an underlying rule that while "anything is possible....some things are more "'probable'
than others"....it is in a sense an odd verification of.... 'occam's razor"....the simplest explanation is generally the correct one"
(paraphrased)

The problem is...here is a show that pretends to follow science and portrays itself as such...you have a huge audience of idiots that don't know the
difference...some so stupid as to say "They are saying it on TV so it must be true"....

It is twisting the minds of the innocent and uneducated...it needs to occasionally be tempered with clearly defined counterpoints...just so the weak
minded know it is not science fact....

except for the fact that I'm not the film maker, and I have been part of the discussion all along throughout the thread...so if you want to nit pick
and shut it down, that's up the mods. But if you want to actually talk about the topic, then let's go.

Originally posted by Drew99GT
When it comes to ancient man and where modern man came from, and given the fact that mythology, religion, and in many cases, history, has been
corrupted BY MAN for MAN'S AGENDAS, you'd have to be a fool to believe ANYTHING about said topics. Which brings me to the point at hand: why is it
so hard for people to just say "I DON'T KNOW?" Because that is the absolute truth. No one knows whether man came from ancient aliens, a
supernatural god that created the universe, a race of telletubbies living inside deep Earth, or from nothing etc.

The fact that mankind conducts genocides over mythology, religion, and the unknown is about all I need to know that it's all garbage and no one
knows anything about anything. Like someone else said, if humans actually knew "the truth" about everything, there'd be a revolution that would
last about a day on Earth and every institution mankind has ever produced would be declared null and void.

1. Once again, this posits a logical fallacy. The claims of truth have no bearing on the behavior of the ones who did anything in the name of any
religion or god. Stalin killed millions of his own people. Does that mean atheism is wrong? No.

2. This is the ardent lingo of the post modernists. "the only truth is that we can't know truth." So that means even your statement according to
you is not true, or at least cannot know it's true. Do you think we have the capability, cognitively, rationally, spiritually, to know absolute
truth? There are many categories to truth as well, so are you positing that those truths don't exist or are inaccessible either?

Originally posted by Climax
The reason AA covers so many subject areas is because you can disprove 99 out of 100 instances of AA, but if they can prove that even 1 occurance
happend, then they are right about their theory.

If thats what you think then you're trying to fit a square through a circle hole, I hope you dont go through life using this method often.

I didnt say anything like 2 wrongs make a right, did I? What I said is exactly correct, some call it trial and error, intelligent creatures use it
throughout their entire lives to great effect.

Example:
The Wright bros tested many different methods of achieving flight that failed, they only disproved those methods of flight achievment. They, in
effect, narrowed down what works and what doesnt until they singled out a solution that provided positive proof of their thoery.
Would anyone here say to the Wright bros, "Looks like you're trying to make two wrongs a right"?

What I was trying to get across is that when trying to solve a mystery, isnt it best to hit it from every angle? There are many who, for good reason,
are not satisfied with the story that has been given us. Because the story we have been given is a managed tale, information has been cherry picked
throughout history and within the establishment there are those who decide which information is taken and which is left.
There was a story made long ago that is being propped up by an establishment that does not want the story to change, no matter what evidence surfaces
over centuries.

Based on the information we have been given about our species history, having megaliths around that were constructed before we were supposed to have
civilization doesnt make sense. The logistics alone are herculean, and that would have been the easy part. There is a big piece of missing
information.

Now pay attention, this is very important.
If it were humans alone who achieved these colossal feats all over the world, where is the information on how they did it? If there were all these
great builders all over the world, with civilization for necessary support, and they were making stuff and drawing pictures and writtings and passing
down their oral traditions, you'd think that there would be one or two writtings, pictures, graphs, cave drawings, or oral traditions past down so
that these techniques would not be lost.
We have the Rosetta Stone, which translates the languages from some of the very cultures who were supposed to have built some of these gargantuan
structures, on it the likes of Cleopatra and Ptolemy are listed but (after doing a quick search, as far as I can tell, feel free to prove me wrong) it
doesnt say who how or why the pyramids were built.
Where is information about these megaliths from the people who built them? We need to know how huge shaped stone was crafted with such precision on
such an inhuman scale all over the world, often with material from rediculous distances away. Its not enough to see a youtube vid of a guy who can
move a stone from here to here, its impressive but we need to know how the entire process was done, as in the shaping and precision.
If so much human life went into building megaliths there should be stories or artwork describing the Before, During, and After period of at least 1%
of these mysteries, so where is this very basic evidence for the human hypothesis?

(See what I did just there?)

So you say, "Well, surley there is evidence that at least 1 of these megaliths were built by human hands!"
Of course there is, there's more than 1 actually, and I dont think that anyone is really saying that, we never have nor could we ever have built
giant stone structures. But one doesnt disqualify the other. Aliens building megaliths and humans building megaliths are not mutualy exclusive. They
could both have happend, not all megaliths were made with equal skill, there are those with obviously more advanced intellect behind them.

Just a follow up on my previous post on Page 5 of this thread.
I just noticed that the program that Mike Heiser was interviewed for was a completely different show by the history channel and was about 8-9 years
ago. It was called ‘UFO’s in the Bible’ and not the recent ‘Ancient Aliens’.

He was interviewed for that show but didn’t make it past the cutting room floor before it was aired so it’s not directly linked to this thread. It
is however still relevant in a way and maybe even more so in the fact that it shows that the history channel isn’t currently in the business of
reporting two sides of a story and hasn’t been for the best part of a decade.

Sorry about that. I do get mixed up with the current year as I flit through time and space as I’m sure you can all understand.

I don't get why so many people are creating so much drama over something they don't even understand/comprehend, and that goes for both sides. Whatever
happened to plausible? I've watched through every single AA episode, and I enjoyed most of them. The sceptic in me finds alot of stretches and
"out there" claims in the series, but the spiritualist in me loves to believe.

I mean, is it so hard for the believers to admit the AA theory could be just a work of fiction, using mysterious (read: not yet explained)
out-of-place objects and places around the world as evidence, similar to Hollywood movies trying to provide validity by incoorporating real-life
events caused by the fictional element? (For example the recent Transformers Dark of the Moon movie)

Vice versa, is it that hard for the sceptics to admit that the AA theory could be true?

I think blind-scepticism is the poison in current day conspiracy theories. When you no longer want to listen to the arguements they're trying to make,
you're not longer a sceptic, but rather a believer of the currently established belief, no different than christianity in the Middle Ages.

I think the only issue to discuss here is not wether or not the AA theory is plausible, rather than factual mistakes AA made in their shows.
Since this debunked video hasn't been released yet, there's nothing to discuss.

The problem is...here is a show that pretends to follow science and portrays itself as such...you have a huge audience of idiots that don't know the
difference...some so stupid as to say "They are saying it on TV so it must be true"....

It is twisting the minds of the innocent and uneducated...it needs to occasionally be tempered with clearly defined counterpoints...just so the weak
minded know it is not science fact....

If we're going to start doing this it must be done across the board, not just on selected topics, this is the problem with acedemia, the bias.

Do you apply the same reasoning to everything that may twist the innocent, uneducated and weak minded? These labels can be applied liberally based on
personal opinion.
If your quest is to end all phonies who present themselves as something for the naive to follow, surely there are larger concerns that could use your
attention, like organized religion or gangsta rap.

BUT, I will say it's still a theory and so I couldn't tell you if that is for a fact. But it's more plausible given the archeological evidence.

I don't necessarily think the documentary is going to posit that theory...it's my thought process, not the film makers. In any case, I'm glad you
were so provoked that you had to post...welcome back to ATS

I read the link you attached. I'm no more convinced that giants built the mounds in Ohio and elsewhere or any monolithic structures than I was
before. Of course, gigantism is an affliction of the pituitary gland that is well documented, but I am not sure this is what you are referring
to.

I guess I would have to understand your definition of "giant" to be able to discuss the possibilities, but in terms of the mounds and other
monolithic structures, I'd need to see the skeletal remains to believe giants is an even plausible theory. As Notquiteright "rightly" posted
regarding the original topic, if you are trying to debunk the show, no problem. If you are trying to debunk the AA theory, I'd say you have a
difficult task ahead of you and again, its just a theory. Personally, I watched the show when I'm having difficulty sleeping. The narrator's voice
is soothing and always puts me to sleep. If you dislike the show, why not just turn it off? Seems like a lot of energy wasted on something that many
people don't even take seriously.

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