I really don't see the point why someone would waste time to criticize something that, in his opinion, doesn't work instead of trying to pursue or share what works.

Relentless criticism can deter members from sharing their ideas and systems. This is not something I guess, this is a complain I have received more than once from various members. Some of them, like juice, even left the forum for good.

So when Janusz asked me to move the topic to the System Players Forum, that is only open to members who are seriously interested in and respect other member's systems, so he can explain his ideas without distractions, I wholeheartedly agreed.

The way you guys over moderate, move, and delete thread creates chaos here.

@Mr. J...

Since our mighty moderators have taken it upon themselve to delete the thread where we were discussing the GUT, most of what's posted now doesn't make sense, is out of context, or is off track from the original discussion.

I really don't see the point why someone would waste time to criticize something that, in his opinion, doesn't work instead of trying to pursue or share what works.

Maybe if you'd read the thread before deleting it you'd understand why.

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Relentless criticism can deter members from sharing their ideas and systems. This is not something I guess, this is a complain I have received more than once from various members. Some of them, like juice, even left the forum for good.

Without the facts dumb ideas gain traction, people may quit there jobs chasing them...etc. However if you'd like to keep a safe space where the blissfully ignorant can stay that way then more power to you. However, in five years you're forum will look just like it does now, and just like it did five years ago. Completely void of a working system with the Martingales, triggers, and everyone still searching for "just the right progression." But perhaps you're goal is to sell systems, rather than trying to win money...and for that you'll need a forum of mentally challenged desperate people.

The reason that some of us correct the mistakes of others is the same reason that a school teacher does so in the classroom. It's so that everyone may learn.

School teachers aren't trolls, and neither are more experienced gambler's and mathematicians. Take the opportunity to learn from the experience and mistakes of others as you will not live long enough to make all of the mistakes yourselves.

By the way, the forum process works best when you guys don't chop up the threads so much. A little less moderation would go a long way towards improving your forum, will alienate fewer people and help prevent visitors from being so disconnected.

Since our mighty moderators have taken it upon themselve to delete the thread where we were discussing the GUT, most of what's posted now doesn't make sense, is out of context, or is off track from the original discussion.[/b]

Yes, I see my GUT post is missing. Kav, I was not insulting GUT per say, just saying how under casino conditions its not playable and therefore should be labeled as such. How can one be interested in a method that SOLELY wins on paper or RNG?

How does that help anyone? Member Real has a point regarding all the deleting. Its one thing if its foul language etc.

Can a GUT player show me how its done (at least in theory) where everything is calculated and bets placed in under ten seconds on EVERY spin? If not, why would anyone even talk about the method? Methods must MATCH casino conditions. I'm sorry but this is the truth.

Real,A forum certainly doesn't get better if each and every system idea is descending to a "no system works, play the wheel" debate.

Most of your posts are non productive. You criticize without presenting an alternative. Mr Perfect for example, though not a system player, has offered much more info about how he approaches roulette. There is a VB section in the forum. I never see you posting there, sharing your wisdom.

I really want you to be part of the forum but please try to do more good than harm.

Can a GUT player show me how its done (at least in theory) where everything is calculated and bets placed in under ten seconds on EVERY spin? If not, why would anyone even talk about the method? Methods must MATCH casino conditions. I'm sorry but this is the truth.

Isn't the first order of business to find out if the system works? If it's worth playing then you could always play at live wheels online using a spreadsheet or software to do the calculations.