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A bit depressing, but I'm starting feel this way too. We'll see. All of this will seem funny in 10 years. Maybe Beal blows out his knee five games in this year and never plays again (trade). Maybe we trade for Tatum and he never makes the jump. And then one of Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram become a perennial all-star (if included). It happens all the time. It won't end up how we think even when it is done. Luck, unexpected and unlikely events...it happens.

For sure. We could've not won the lottery and then hoped and prayed we could trade AD for Zion.

I do think it's a good thing Griffin is waiting. I think it will end up between what we hope and and what we fear ultimately. But we will see. I think he is taking his time because he knows how important this is. This is a career dealbreaker/maker move. Maybe he has an offer we would all take. But he is going bigger. We will judge when it's done.

can anyone recommend a strong drink for watching Ball and Ingram highlights?

Gasoline.

Edit: In all seriousness, usually when I'm about to do a long video session for analysis, I don't drink. Don't wanna get too out-of-focus. But if I'm doing a more casual watch, I usually run with either scotch on ice, or Chambord.

Edit: In all seriousness, usually when I'm about to do a long video session for analysis, I don't drink. Don't wanna get too out-of-focus. But if I'm doing a more casual watch, I usually run with either scotch on ice, or Chambord.

I don’t think I have every heard of anyone going Scotch……if not Chambord. Its like I really wanna watch Inglorious Basterds……damn its not free on streaming……Guess I will roll with Legally Blonde.

A lot of it is price as compared to Scotch, there are some great Bourbons in the price range of a Glenfiddich or Glenlivet 12.

Maybe I've just not had the required experience in bourbon, cause over here in the UK there aren't that many options available. When it comes to scotch, I usually end up running with Ardbeg, Dalmore, Talisker, or Fettercairn. Admittedly, some of those sit at the pricey end and only come out at Christmas

The Lakers and the Knicks are playing us for weak because of the trade demand. The Knicks know that we don't want AD in the west that's why their low balling us. The Lakers are low balling us possibly because they believe Davis has told Griffin he only wants to play for the Lakers. That is his ace up his sleeve. I don't for one minute believe that he wants to play for the Knicks. Danny Ainge is simply helping his protege Griffin with leverage. The Celtics are out of it. We will trade him to the Lakers in the end for a fresh start with Zion. Ingram might be out of the league in months due to blood clots. I hope that we can get something for ball.

The Lakers and the Knicks are playing us for weak because of the trade demand. The Knicks know that we don't want AD in the west that's why their low balling us. The Lakers are low balling us possibly because they believe Davis has told Griffin he only wants to play for the Lakers. That is his ace up his sleeve. I don't for one minute believe that he wants to play for the Knicks. Danny Ainge is simply helping his protege Griffin with leverage. The Celtics are out of it. We will trade him to the Lakers in the end for a fresh start with Zion. Ingram might be out of the league in months due to blood clots. I hope that we can get something for ball.

Rich Paul is exerting what little control he has over the AD trade. I think it’s a good sign that he did this. The CELTICS are serious and I believe they will take the risk knowing that AD could help them go to the FINALS. Davis wants to win and being in the EAST he’d likely make it to playoffs every year.

If Ainge trades Smart and Tatum and Baynes plus 14th pick and next years Memphis 2020 1st rounders for AD he will also need to get rid or Rozier, maybe a sign and trade to BULLS or PHX... Moving Rozier and Smart would be smart if they want to start fresh and bring Kyrie back. Ainge could get a starting SF trading Rozier. Give Kyrie the team he wants and he returns imo. AD would be very excited to play for Boston. No doubt if Danny Ainge makes a few ballsy moves the LAKERS fail to
Get AD . I think people underestimate how bad Boston wants AD.

Rich Paul is doing everything he can to stop Boston from having serious talks with the PELS. There’s little doubt that Kyrie has a much better chance of winning a championship if he stays with CELTICS once they land AD! Likewise, AD probably has a better shot in the EAST playing with Horford, Hayward, Kyrie and new faces Ainge would bring in via trading Rozier.

Wait, so common sense says they offered everything? I would have thought the Lakers would have too, but apparently not.

So the reported offer was Porzingis, Knox, and this year unprotected pick. After the Dallas trade the rumor was Knox, Robinson, Ntilikina, unprotected pick, and the picks they got from Dallas. I can't find anything that's falls under official sources report, but come on if they were willing to move their dollar for 75cents you don't think they're willing to trade that 75cents for a dollar?

If the Knicks offer everything, it helps his point, so it's common sense.

If the Lakers offer everything, it hurts his point, so it's not common sense.

Hope that helped.

WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

Those assets from the Lakers weren’t worth trading for. Now the Lakers have a better asset with a 4th pick which wouldn’t have been available if AD was traded during the season.

WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

As I've stated already

Ingram, Ball, #4 => Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, #12 (or higher)

Waiting to do the trade gave us the best odds of getting Zion, which we did, and clearly it didn't harm the Lakers offer because even after a huge jump in the lottery the Lakers are offering all their main pieces except for Kuzma.

This also ignores the facts that the Lakers offered Ingram, Ball, #4 and Griff told them NO, he wants more. So what we end up getting for AD will be better than that offer.