NZ's future pace attack, the players, the coaches...

2015 is almost at an end. And what a year it was....

But I made this thread regarding the future of the New Zealand pace attack.....it seems that at the end of 2015, we now believe in things we would'n't have thought too possible in early 2015. Some things have changed...for example, Boult is now an accomplished ODI bowler, something we did not see coming in early 2015, we knew he had potential, but it was uncharted territory. Matt Henry on the other hand, has fallen off, he is now a mere shell of what he was in early 2015. Mcclenaghan is out of juice. One could argue that the absence of Bond himself has got a correlation in the direct downfall of henry and mcclenaghan, both have lost the promise they had in early 2015. Mcclenaghan the wickets, and with Henry the potential.

And now that brings me to the final subject, Adam Milne. He had a good comeback in the African tour, but is the absence of Bond going to hurt his development as well? Lets hope not because we knew what a weapon bondy has proven to be for our bowlers in the last 3 years. Dimitri Masakreahiafbufbweub has not shown anything worthy of keeping his spot and NZ must find a new bowling coach unless they want to stick to the results their bowlers have gotten post WC2015.

But I made this thread regarding the future of the New Zealand pace attack.....it seems that at the end of 2015, we now believe in things we would'n't have thought too possible in early 2015. Some things have changed...for example, Boult is now an accomplished ODI bowler, something we did not see coming in early 2015, we knew he had potential, but it was uncharted territory. Matt Henry on the other hand, has fallen off, he is now a mere shell of what he was in early 2015. Mcclenaghan is out of juice. One could argue that the absence of Bond himself has got a correlation in the direct downfall of henry and mcclenaghan, both have lost the promise they had in early 2015. Mcclenaghan the wickets, and with Henry the potential.

And now that brings me to the final subject, Adam Milne. He had a good comeback in the African tour, but is the absence of Bond going to hurt his development as well? Lets hope not because we knew what a weapon bondy has proven to be for our bowlers in the last 3 years. Dimitri Masakreahiafbufbweub has not shown anything worthy of keeping his spot and NZ must find a new bowling coach unless they want to stick to the results their bowlers have gotten post WC2015.

One could argue that the absence of Bond himself has got a correlation in the direct downfall of henry and mcclenaghan, both have lost the promise they had in early 2015. Mcclenaghan the wickets, and with Henry the potential.

It's hard to speculate on these things as mere plebs tbh, but there's the guy Bond would be the closest to calling his protege in 2015/16, if you want to follow the Canterbury scorecards. Ed Nuttall -

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New Zealand's success over the last few years has been built on skilled and consistently good seam/swing bowling rather than 150k+ MJ clones blowing away teams. I have seen this sort of sentiment expressed in the NZ-Aus thread and I think it's kinda missing how the success was achieved.

I think Bracewell and Wagner can be decent support bowlers and should be persisted with. For the upcoming home series, NZ should just focus on their strengths and they used so well in this series Results | Global | ESPN Cricinfo rather than trying to look for the next Starc or Johnson.

Yes Milne has potential but he should have a good injury free FC season under his belt before he can be trusted as a test bowler.

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We get one or two 150kph guys with every generation. Milne is likely to be a star. Easy to forget he's only in his early 20s and has been in international cricket since 17. Ferguson has speed and is fun to watch highlights reels of but hasn't blown away FC. Howsie's boi Zak Gibson is rapid and 17-18.

At the lower levels our pitches and conditions don't have the same needs Australia has, so we don't produce the really fast bowlers as often. Swing and good areas get the job done and the best at those get to FC and looking around, there are enough under 25 with a lot going for them, bowling at least 135 and often enough 140+ and doing well in the Shield. Granted most of these bowlers are from Northern Districts, Central Districts and Canterbury, but NZ manage.

The issues are injuries and rawness/wild fluctuations. I suspect what the test side wants from the third seamer is a really hard adjustment for these young new ball bowlers to make.

The bowling will be fine. The problems start with some FC sides being really really cynical with some of their top order batting selections. With only 6 FC teams NZ needs everyone to be trying to produce test players, not going full Kippax with their memes.

We get one or two 150kph guys with every generation. Milne is likely to be a star. Easy to forget he's only in his early 20s and has been in international cricket since 17. Ferguson has speed and is fun to watch highlights reels of but hasn't blown away FC. Howsie's boi Zak Gibson is rapid and 17-18.

At the lower levels our pitches and conditions don't have the same needs Australia has, so we don't produce the really fast bowlers as often. Swing and good areas get the job done and the best at those get to FC and looking around, there are enough under 25 with a lot going for them, bowling at least 135 and often enough 140+ and doing well in the Shield. Granted most of these bowlers are from Northern Districts, Central Districts and Canterbury, but NZ manage.

The issues are injuries and rawness/wild fluctuations. I suspect what the test side wants from the third seamer is a really hard adjustment for these young new ball bowlers to make.

The bowling will be fine. The problems start with some FC sides being really really cynical with some of their top order batting selections. With only 6 FC teams NZ needs everyone to be trying to produce test players, not going full Kippax with their memes.

Based on the fairly reliable metric that domestic speed guns read bowlers at approx 5kmh slower than international guns (for some reason), then both Kuggs and Ferguson are capable of 145 kmh consistently, and can nudge 150 when they go all out.

Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

I can think of a list of Sydney Grade posters who would contribute a better average post than Bahnz.

The least effective bowling I have ever seen is underspinning the ball. The act of undercutting it actually gives it a nicer arc through the air and the ball doesn't drop on batsman. Have had two team mates who bowled it. Both were the captain of the team and were able to bowl themselves for numerous overs. Apparently in some game in their youths they got one to skid on and trapped the guy in front. I never saw. Needless to say both bowlers got tonked mercilessly.