jeez, i didn't have to do a forum search, man, I just looked at every single one of the million forums you kindly mentioned about and guess what? the total number of people who actually have the shoes and posted so far was just one...

why do you think the shoes are stupid?

have you tried them also already?

can you give some more specific feedback aside from them being stupid?

if you hate posts like these so much, why do you even bother to reply? ( the suject was as clear as day on the subject line, if you hated it so much, why did you even bother clicking on it? )

ooops, I'm sorry. you must be one of them hotshot climbers who already own a dozen or so pairs of shoes and a truckload of shiny gear. I apologize for taking so much of your precious time by reading my post. I confess, I made you click on my topic. I made you read it and made you all mad. It is also probably my fault that something is stuck up your @$$. so sorry again, please forgive me...

I hate it when people make me open threads, but not as much as I hate it when people make me stick stuff up my a$$. I think it very mature, however, that dencio would own up to this "forced entry", as it were, and apologize. Three Cheers for dencio!!!

As far as the shoes go... I'm buying the Mugens this weekend and when I get em I'll shed some light on thier "stupidness" or lack thereof.

OH MAN!!! I sooooo don't want to be in this thread, but since you forced me............ I'm getting the "Sharks" and the "Hooker Zips" today. I'll keep you "posted" (get it hahahaha oh s--- I crack myself up!)

I just got my Hooker Zips yesterday and climbing in them last nite at the gym. The edging on them is great, the rim on the inside is great for smearing off of tiny nubbins (on a climb where I generally skid my shoes off of, held like glue), and the heel hook feels more positive. I did not get a chance to work the rubber on top of the front of the foot though to see how well that sticks.

They are a hair small, but my concern is that they will not stretch since they have all of that rubber. We will see over time, but I wonder if I should have gone a half size bigger. Oh well, I think I have a new favorite shoe.

The shoes are f---ing dumb because, as I've said before, they're banking in gimicks to make money. Tons of new shoes come out every year, but no one gets all retarded over those because they're not full of useless crap that bored climbing-consumers can make out to be more than they actually are.

It's not every day that a whole new line of shoes comes out. Yes, every year all the big companies release a new model or 2, but this is an entirely new competitor. With exciting design and "shoe technology" and most importantly, a price that makes us all tingle. Obviously, someone stateside paid attention to the euro.com's that had been pulling U.S. consumers away from the ridonkulously overpriced version of the same product. And I for one appreciate that some shoe honcho is listening. My money talks.

So excuse us for drooling.

That said, I am going to shorelinemtn.com to pet the images of the Flash's. $69 climbing shoes. Aw, hellz.

I ordered mine the other day and I can't wait to try them out and see how all them new gimicks work. I dont really think the features of the shoe are gimicks, rather they are new ideas, a zipper pocket on the side of the shoe for temperary storage of your chewing gum would be a gimick, a new sole that works well on edging and smearing is a usefull idea. That doesnt mean that it will work as advertised but I'm going to find out for myself, as someone else said, the price is right.

"You all are so blind to your own weaknesses"[i/] Yes. Buying cheaper shoes with an apparent innovation (or two) is weak indeed. I realize that your referring to our seemingly puppet-like response to "hype" and "advertisement", but the fact remains that no other shoe company is making a better offer. The worst thing that will happen here is increased competition that will lower shoe prices across the board.