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Modern Copts are in all likelihood not only the direct descendants of the ancient Egyptians, but also the very influential and famous Jewish community in places like Alexandria that once existed... so they probably have a right to be anti-Judaism, just as many Arameans do.

People tend to think they are just "Christians" who have appropriated a patrimony that belongs to someone else (non-Christian Jews) but the Christian community in the Middle East is to some extent in reality descended from Jews who accepted Christianity (and a whole heap of them moved to India where they still say they are Jews and are Christian)... it is more of an internal family feud (and not as people make it out to be, non-Jews appropriating Jewish things) than anyone cares to realise.

HH Pope Shenouda III seems to be one of the most misquoted people out there. Afaik he restricted his flock from entering Jerusalem because Israel closed so many Coptic churches, not because of "Jew hate". Really, yellow journalism is a blogger's best friend.

I'd also like to see her source for the "Coptic anti-Jewish pogroms".

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

HH Pope Shenouda III seems to be one of the most misquoted people out there. Afaik he restricted his flock from entering Jerusalem because Israel closed so many Coptic churches, not because of "Jew hate". Really, yellow journalism is a blogger's best friend.

Yeah, she basically says that opposition to the occupation of Palestine equals opposition to the very presence of Jews there, which is nonsense.

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Radiates, vegetables, monstrosities, star spawn— whatever they had been, they were men!

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

I think the problem with this video is that he sems to reject the core of christianity. In christianity we beleive that Jesus died for our sins. That means, all of us sinner are responsible for His death. Many Jews were sinner but the gentiles were also sinners. it's very interesting what the catholic church says about this subject: http://www.catholicdoors.com/catechis/cat0512.htm#597

Centuries from now, when we say that the Germans killed Jews in World War II, are we being anti-Germanic?

It's clear in the gospels the Jews ordered the crucifixion for Christ, as the famous Sanhedrin ruled, better for one man to fall for the sake of many.

Sure, we also talk about the Gentiles, the Roman soldiers who were brutal and bloodthirsty as usual in their lofty positions. So there's an acknowledgement there.

And His Holiness never denied that we do who are sinners can also be guilty of crucifying Christ in an allegorical fashion. Literal history has it that the Jews asked for the release of a murderer, and chose the death of Christ on the humiliating Cross. There's nothing anti-semitic or anti-Christian about that. We just seem to have people who are too sensitive.

Centuries from now, when we say that the Germans killed Jews in World War II, are we being anti-Germanic?

It's clear in the gospels the Jews ordered the crucifixion for Christ, as the famous Sanhedrin ruled, better for one man to fall for the sake of many.

Sure, we also talk about the Gentiles, the Roman soldiers who were brutal and bloodthirsty as usual in their lofty positions. So there's an acknowledgement there.

And His Holiness never denied that we do who are sinners can also be guilty of crucifying Christ in an allegorical fashion. Literal history has it that the Jews asked for the release of a murderer, and chose the death of Christ on the humiliating Cross. There's nothing anti-semitic or anti-Christian about that. We just seem to have people who are too sensitive.

Centuries from now, when we say that the Germans killed Jews in World War II, are we being anti-Germanic?

It's clear in the gospels the Jews ordered the crucifixion for Christ, as the famous Sanhedrin ruled, better for one man to fall for the sake of many.

Sure, we also talk about the Gentiles, the Roman soldiers who were brutal and bloodthirsty as usual in their lofty positions. So there's an acknowledgement there.

And His Holiness never denied that we do who are sinners can also be guilty of crucifying Christ in an allegorical fashion. Literal history has it that the Jews asked for the release of a murderer, and chose the death of Christ on the humiliating Cross. There's nothing anti-semitic or anti-Christian about that. We just seem to have people who are too sensitive.

I support His Holiness on this. I don't support his ban on Jerusalem, but I see nothing anti-Semitic His Holiness said.

We also acknowledge the superiority of the Jews, through which Christ came. That doesn't make me a Zionist either.

so then what did the Holy See do wrong?

I don't know. Could there be a misunderstanding from what HH Pope Shenouda is understanding from Rome? I don't know. All I know is that MEMRI took His Holiness' message out of context to make it sound like anti-Semitic

Perhaps, it's not about lack of blame, but that the blame doesn't mean one can call a whole group of people as accursed or wretched. I would agree to that with Rome's statement.

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Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.