beerrun:Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore. Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh. Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.

Pichu0102:AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section. Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days. This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them? Where's the outrage and calls for action? Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes? Oh, that's right. This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out. There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings. If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

AngryDragon:Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section. Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days. This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them? Where's the outrage and calls for action? Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes? Oh, that's right. This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out. There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings. If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

AngryDragon:Pichu0102: AngryDragon: KarmicDisaster: Where are the defenders to tell us that this was just a "routine shooting, fewer than 10 killed".

I've never heard of anyone defending these shooters.

The Chicago Tribune actually has a Shootings News Update section. Looking at it right now, there were 10 killed in the Chicago area in the last two days. This happens every single day in every single urban location in the US.

Why no manhunt or Newsflash tag for them? Where's the outrage and calls for action? Where are the "community leaders" marching on Washington to demand action against the root causes? Oh, that's right. This was at a college and those shootings were just the poors whacking each other out. There's no money and influence to be had in addressing neighborhood shootings. If the children of our "benefactors" are threatened though, it's a crisis.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

Look, if the NRA if freaking out about rifles, they'd go farking ballistic if anyone dared to say anything about handguns.

So, basically, you're pissed that our lax gun laws and underfunded, understaffed enforcement allow every two-bit gangbanger in the hood and halfwit inbred in the trailer park to get hold of a gun, but you're opposed to tightening up gun laws or properly funding and staffing enforcement measures to better ensure that the two-bits and halfwits don't have as much of a chance to shoot people..... which makes everybody else a hypocrite?

Why do you even post? Just to see how wrong you can be about everything?

Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society. You can pass stricter gun laws. You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever. Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination. There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting. Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."

Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades. The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this. I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.

TeaEarlGreyHot:...it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."

That's because it is one. That's how datasets work. It's a shooting at a school, therefore it's a school shooting. If you want to differentiate between mass and singular killings, that's an extra, separate criteria.

Murders in the U.S. are double the average for OECD countries and murder by firearms is behind only Mexico - you know, that country currently involved in a long-waged drug war between the military and multiple massive cartels - as far as OECD countries go.

Murder isn't just "not peculiar" in the U.S. We're world leaders in murders and gun violence when it comes to developed nations. Those actual, hard numbers are part of the reason some of us tend to think maybe there's a bit more we could do to curb the problem without unduly restricting anybody's rights.

But, alas, gun ownership is the one and only right in the U.S. that apparently is absolute, so here we are and here we'll stay.

balki1867:Back when I TA'ed an ECE class at Illinois, the students reacted to bad grades the old fashioned way-- by harrassing the professor until he overrode my grades. The world's changed so much in 10 years.

On a more serious note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this. I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.

Let's be thankful thata) the shooter just killed one personb) he didn't shoot himself afterwards

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing? This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

balki1867:On a more serious note, even though this doesn't seem your typical mass school shooting, I am incredibly disturbed that whatever happened between those two individuals had to end in this. I'll save actual judgement until we know what actually happened, but this is completely senseless.

(Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new. It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder. And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems? It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed. The difference today is the media orgasm that results.

Disgruntled Goat:Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

TeaEarlGreyHot:Not really going to get into the whole gun debate, but here's the thing:

We live in a free and open society. You can pass stricter gun laws. You can check backgrounds, register, license people, whatever. Someone wants to kill someone else, they're going to find a way to get a hold of a firearm, with enough determination. There's no guarantee of safety, unless you want to live on permanent lockdown.

And I consider a society in which the government and law enforcement has firearms, and citizens can't have them, to be a society on permanent lockdown.

All accounts so far indicate this was the murder of an individual, not a nutjob mass shooting. Murders aren't peculiar to the United States, but because this happened on a college campus in a building full of undergrads, it's going to get lumped in with all of the other "school shootings."

Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.

beerrun:Ed_Severson: p the boiler: Rapmaster2000: Ed_Severson: Rapmaster2000: There was a shooting there in '95 when I was a sophomore. Some kid was selling coke out of Wiley and he shot the RA who caught him.

Not that it's of any consequence, but it was 1996. I was a freshman living at Cary at the time.

Huh. Guess I was a junior.

It was Jay Severson, he was an RA, that was killed. He busted the guy for dealing drugs. That one hot hard, I was an RA at Cary at the time. But it was 96, not 95.

Just to complete our little circle of life here, p the boiler was actually my RA at Cary Quad in 1996, and he was a good one. I never once considered shooting him.

/Where's our hero Dan Paddock when you need him?

Cary Quad resident in 1982-83, West Unit 3rd floor.

Are they still running the nude olympics? It should be getting close with all this cold weather.

Actually, a good number of folks are doing that. If you want to know who, just look at all the folks that disagree with the individualist interpretation of the Heller Decision and instead want this to be a collectivist interpretation.

TeaEarlGreyHot:(Same disclaimer of not knowing what happened.) Crimes of passion, people failing to check themselves, this is nothing new. It's been going on since the first farmer got jealous of the first herder. And how many people kill themselves rather than seeking help for their problems? It is totally senseless, but the world hasn't changed. The difference today is the media orgasm that results.

For the record-- I totally agree. It's just really unfortunate every time.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing? This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.

This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten. A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.

lennavan:Disgruntled Goat: nekom: vygramul: Sigh - this is only going to get worse.

Do you mean this incident or this type of thing? This incident doesn't seem like a mass shooting, or am I missing something?

Nope, you aren't missing anything. The procedure now is, if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution, the nation goes into FULL UBER FREAK-OUT MODE. Fark feeds this idiotic panic mentality like every other media outlet. NEWSFLASH! OMG!

Guy shoots a guy. Local news story is local.

This my friends, is how bad gun violence has gotten. A kid murders someone at a public University and it's so commonplace it should only make the local news.

Why is murder at a university more warranting of national media attention that a murder at a grocery store? Or a park? They're public places, too.Murders happen in this country every single day. It is reality, and always has been in my lifetime.Had this not been picked up and gone national (for no reason other than the university location), would you have known or cared? No.Should every single murder be broadcast on the national news, CNN etc.?

Disgruntled Goat:if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution

Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees? My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.

Dimensio:TeaEarlGreyHot:Identify a single targeted homicide that was committed without use of a firearm. Explain how this homicide could possibly have occurred if this nation had passed sensible firearm regulation laws, such as an assault weapons ban or a repeal of "shall-issue" based concealed carry.

Homicides such as this are a result of a refusal for gun nuts to compromise on such simple ideas.

Are you a troll?

Like I said, I'm not going to debate whether sensible gun regulation is a good idea or not. I don't really feel the need to carry around deadly weapons, so in all honesty, I don't care all that much. Gun nuts that I've met in person tend to be paranoid, insecure people who believe that they are in perpetual danger of being jumped by gangs of minorities, or targeted by the government. I don't lump myself in with that sort.

That said, (assuming you're actually serious and not a troll) this homicide could easily have occurred had the nation passed sensible firearms regulations. He could borrow or steal a gun from a friend. There will always be a black market. He could go through legit channels to get a weapon. Who's to stop him if he's never, ever killed anyone before? People are fooling themselves if they think they can simply regulate away danger, and that's the notion I find troubling.

I'll bite...since 1991 guns have contributed a pretty steady 66-70% of a steadily decreasing overall murder count in the US. That means that for the past 23 years, if you were murdered, the odds have been the same for whether it was with a gun or not. Overall fewer people have been murdered, which means fewer people per year have been murdered with guns each year for the past 23 years on average (trend line).

Somacandra:Disgruntled Goat: if there's anything involving a person with a gun near an educational institution

Generally most of the people at educational institutions are younger or outright kids. When you hear about bad stuff happening as you send your kids off to school each day, its hard. You want to protect them in every way possible, and you think "what if it happened here?" When Newtown happened a lot of parents, myself included, were very anxious to see our kids that day. And what of the employees? My father is a substitute teacher in OK---at a school where a kid came into the school and blew his own head off. You damn bet I was pretty interested in finding out if he was ok, especially in the early phase when we didn't know that others were ok. Luckily he wasn't working that day. Yes, its perfectly natural and reasonable for parents to freak out about guns and schools.

It was a UNIVERSITY.

And stop living your life in abject terror of what might, COULD, maybe, POSSIBLY happen.

So, shouldn't that mean the perception is that gun violence isn't getting worse? Oh, wait, that is your position. You are desensitized.

I might be desensitized, but that doesn't change the numbers. The population goes up, overall murders go down, murders with guns go down...that means whether anyone wants to admit it or not, gun violence is NOT getting worse.