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Evelynn Culver:
He brought up something to the effect about resisting this, and how they resist
the effects of the machine. Can people resist it, and what is their receptivity,
and are they ready to use this, and so forth and so on. In other words, do you
have to be at the end of your rope, so to speak, and have ended.

Jim: It will work
for anyone. And even it will work for people who don't want to be helped.

Guest:

Jim: Oh yes, oh
yes, absolutely.

Guest: I can say
that I use it with my clients too. But I use it with their full agreement that
they are willing to work with this and I think it helps you can't..

Jim: You can't.
I have even had people say this would be great in jails, where they are stuck
there already. So there are a lot of applications But I think the school system
is not going to be interested in this sort of thing. Well there are problems
with the parents, the laws, and the legal, the, you know, political problems.
I have talked to people where I tried to convince them the device works, and
they don't believe because they didn't read about it. OK. Then I work with a
few people and all of a sudden they start believing this might work. Then they
switch and they say, oh my god, if this really works I'll be out of a job. And
then they start fighting like crazy. I try to say, right now you are just expensive
baby sitters. If you had a tool like this you could really help the kids. And
you would have a job, that type of thing. Now there is that fear too. My god
if this works. No. There is a tremendous resistance from the psychiatrist, the
psychologist, social worker types, because it is not taught in their class.
There is a problem with the school system, a legal problem. So it's never going
to go there. Mary?

Mary Gorka: You
know, the thing is, I've been in alternative practice in nursing, in Philadelphia
and here, and what I think works is that you get it in from the outside. You
get as many people as you can imagine using these things. You go to the hospital,
you go to the schools and say "Why don't you have this? Why not, why aren't
the . People in the schools having the benefit of something that has worked
so well with my children, my neighbors, so forth, and just like what I call
the ground wheat syndrome, when you could never get whole wheat bread in the
supermarket until you kept asking and asking and asking for it. You just smile
nicely and go ahead and do it where you can do it. Welcome as a healer, and
this is a big thing, compared to being told in the hospital in Philadelphia,
we don't do healing in hospitals.

Evelynn Culver:
Talk about people who have trying to resist.

Jim: Thank you.
This may be part of your question, I'm not sure, but Evelynn just reminded me
of, well first, let me play this thing. OK? And then let me tell you about people
who resist this. I'll tell you right now. The people that, most people find
this very very relaxing.

Kay: I thought
you were shy in front of a group?

Jim: Well, Kay
says I . Ah, most people find the sound I am going to play very relaxing. Some
people right away go into an altered state. People go into trips, see things,
travel in the Universe,,, I can tell you lots of interesting stories. But, there
are one or two people in a group that will absolutely hate, hate (END OF SIDE
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Kay Allison: Which
number is this?

Jim: 54

Guest:

Jim: What people
hear is not necessarily what is coming out of the speakers. When I first demonstrate
this to a group of people, about 30 people or so, meditating. And they said
for the whole time. And then they said could you explain it again. And I did.
And people came up to me and said "how did you make those sounds, and those
bells, and the etheric sounds, and the choir and all that. And there are only
two tones here. There is a 200 cycle tone and there is . Two tones are being
played. And yet people hear this whole chorus of sounds, all these overtones
and all these rising and singing, and wha wha wha, and none of that is coming
out of the speakers..

Guest: No body
else heard them?

Jim: Yea, sure.
Crazy people hear those all the time.

Guest: In my eyes,
all through me, the vibration. It just felt like it was crushing me, like I
was underwater. It was uncomfortable. You know. It was just kind of.....

Jim: Usually that
means that something needs to be worked on.

Guest: I felt like
it just went straight through my head. Connecting.

Jim: It seems to
become whatever needs to be picked on.

Guest: When I had
it , cause I was just using the headphones, was like there was this after image
for awhile after it goes off. Your ears are still kind of going , having these
reverberations.....

Jim: And there
are people see colors, and then people tell me all the images they see. Some
people see crop circles, , star systems, some people fly over cities that they
have never been to before, and people come back with answers to questions they've
worked on for a month, and here's the answer. Everyone has a completely different
experience here.

Guest: This is
the relaxation tape?

Jim: This is the
meditation/relax mode.

Kay: Well 54 might
not have been your number.

Jim: But it does
in fact, poke at things that need to be poked at. We get a lot of this, and
some people panic and say oh my god, there is something wrong, well, like homeopathy,
that you have the if something is wrong, it will start poking at you. So that
means good news. If there is no affect whatsoever, then you are in great shape.
Put me to sleep. This program here. I'd be asleep in 5 or 10 minutes. And what
this told me, is that I had developed a sleep debt, I was working too hard,
just shut down, and I would sleep for a couple of hours. But I needed it and
this shut off the worry wort mind that kept me working. As I used this for awhile,
I was able to judge how bad a shape I was in as to how long I slept. And after
awhile I would come up and listen to it and I wouldn't fall asleep, so I must
be OK then, I'll go back to work. So it is almost like an inverse measuring
tool. If it doesn't affect you at all, that is the great news. If it does poke
at you then there is something that needs to be looked at. Yes, Mary?

Mary Gorka: I have
the writer's mind and I like to think in analogies, and to me this sort of reminds
me of something combing very tangled hair. You know if your hair is short like
mine, and not too tangled, you just go right on through it. But if you've got
long hair and it's been running wild for awhile, it takes awhile to work through
the tangles. And to me that sound sounds just like whooooowweeeeeee and sometimes
it hurts to have the tangles done. So I think that is another thing to look
at. I'm finished.

Eveynn Culver:
I think I've built up kind of an immunity to it. It doesn't really affect me
as dramatically as it did in the beginning. I am not going to tell you I am
completely immune because if I put the headphones on and set my intentions to
relax, and just surrender myself to it, it will take me pretty deep, pretty
fast, and I still feel that sort of heaviness, as my body begins to relax, whether
I want it to or not. I think one of the things that probably characterizes everyone's
reaction, is that most of the function is kind of a hyper kinetic beta state
most of the time. And I know Jim's had with people who were very intellectually
oriented, scientific kind of minds that never slowed down, were intensely concentrating
all the time, and almost panicked when this thing started to bring them out
of that. They felt like they were loosing something. And, if you are in a state
of mind to surrender to it, and just relax and let....you will feel a bit heady.
And as you move into a deeper state of consciousness, a delta/theta kind of
thing happens and yeah, I think you are trying to resist that, and you really
feel like you need to concentrate, it's not going to feel very comfortable.
If you are, you know....but that's where it is pulling you. And like I said,
after you liberate some of the stuff, as I did. When I first used it I think
was kind of miserable for about two weeks because it seemed to liberate a lot
of stuff that was just hanging around and needed to go. I emptied the trash,
as a matter of speaking. And for about two weeks there was all this emotional
stuff I was dealing with and I thought I'm going to have to get this back again,
you know....I don't feel good. What's going on here. And after that I was fine.
I'm still using it occasionally, not as often. But it definitely can help liberate
things that are hanging around, patterned thought, emotions that are sort of
lingering just below the surface. And I think initially it can make you a little
uncomfortable to listen to it potentially. But if you can work your way past
that I think you are going to be OK. But yea, there is sort of a, you know,
something is taking you somewhere more or less against your will. It's a very
powerful tool.

Jim: To tell a
story about my friend Evelynn here. I tell it all the time when she is not around.
I'll tell it when she is here. She complained the first week that she used the
machine. She thought it was terrible. It was bringing up all this old garbage.
And she was having all kinds of trouble with it. And I told her to try it one
more week and I'd give her money back. And that was the problem. And the second
week she discovered that the same garbage that came up the first week didn't
come up again. Apparently what had happened is that Evelynn had had some things
in her life that she slightly swept under the rug, but hadn't dealt with it.
And this program here brings up these old things, and makes you look at them.
I don't quite know how it does it but I have a lot of reports where it brings
up traumatic events from this life, and I've even had people talk about past
life trauma comes up and they see it for the first time. And I think what happened
with Evelynn, she then looked at the thing, and said gone. So it is dealt with
and is no longer an issue. And after the second week there is a whole closet
full of stuff that she cleared out. And that is the good news. Did I tell that
half way right?

Evelynn Culver:
Yea, that's pretty good.

Jim: Thanks. I
tell it better when you are not here. Well anyway, all kinds of things do come
up. And, uh, getting to the relaxed state is really easy for some people. ......and
they are gone. Other people fight it, because they have never been there. They
don't know that as an experience. Foreign land. When people ask me if when I
meditate do I think about these frequencies? And I say no, I remember what it
felt like to be in that state. I remember what the skin felt like, I remember
how heavy my arms were, and my legs I couldn't move them and I didn't know where
my legs were. It's that feeling that I remember. But I never was able to get
to those states without this device helping shut down the conscious mind. The
frequencies...they are not doing anything particular. I think you are asking
me about.....the frequencies are simply designed to occupy your mind. Occupy
your mind, try to figure out what is going on. What you asked me consciously,
what are you trying to do with that? I am trying to occupy your mind. So that
it let's go of all things. Like if you have 3 or 4 balls in the air and somebody
says "do you have a light"? Then all those balls are going to drop on the floor.

Guest: slowed down
sustained I was relaxed, and it came in, and no no,,, I am already there. Leave
me alone.

Jim: Well, if you
were able to get there without this help, then that is good. Some people complained,
matter of fact, Ed's wife complains that this gets her out of the meditative
state. And this may be true, but the majority of people can't ever get any where
near that. So this helps to get the mind out of it. And then once the program
stops then you can go wherever you want to go. Supposed to clear the field of
garbage, if you want to call it that. Sure.

Guest: If this
clears the fields of garbage, or whatever it is you said, it just occupies the
mind, how do you address the brain washing techniques that they used during
the Korean War?

Jim: I know nothing
about brain washing techniques. I don't know.

Evelynn Culver:
Uuh, we don't want to get into that.

Jim: It's not my
field. I don't know..

Guest: Right because
if this clears the mind, it would only be if something else came in on top of
that. When the mind was cleared. Probably, so. And everybody uses these on their
own.

Jim Yea. I don't
know mind washing techniques...

Evelynn Culver
I am not an expert on brain washing, but I do know a little bit about it. And
you use sensory deprivation, and you take people's protein away and their mind
turns to noodles after a short period of time. And, you basically bring them
into a physiological space where they are highly susceptible to suggestions.
And they loose their sense of themselves and their personality starts to break
down. And, that's not really what this is supposed to be doing. But, in my experience
as someone who tries to spend a lot of time in altered states, and I sometimes
do it for a living, doing readings and channnelings for people, uh, I want my
consciousness mind, my personality structure to step aside so that I can listen
and be in communion with other consciousness...my own higher consciousness,
the collective consciousness. Perhaps the collective consciousness is for one
else. The higher consciousness for one else. And learning to go into deep states
of consciousness, it helps me do this. This is to me a training device. I can't
use it while I am trying to channel for someone. It is an impediment. It helps
me get into altered states of consciousness. If I want to relax, it is a training
device. It gives me a workout, as a matter of speaking. And I asked him to write
some programs that would allow me to hang out, rather than go through the sweeps.
OK he did a lot of sweeping to get rid of this as a sort of brain exerciser.
And I said "Jim, I want you to slow some of this sweeping thing down, and I
want you to get me some steps. Slow, let's hang out one place and . So he drew
up some other programs that are more toward the end of the relaxation programs
where you can get to hang out a little bit. I have used the Monroe tapes and
that is one of the things they do, they sort of take you down and you stay there
for the whole time. And that is a different kind of experience. OK. That wasn't
really how this was designed. Programs could be written on this machine to do
that. But it was really designed more like something to wake your brain up.
I mean, that's how I have always looked at this machine, as something that is
going to put my brain through the paces and wake it up. Would I use it if I
was trying to meditate and focus in a particular place or space that I need
to go to? Not necessarily. I might use it initially to sort of get me relaxed
but I personally, if I was going to channel from some of the sources that I
usually do, I couldn't. Because I have to go there and sort of hang out. And
I know exactly where to go. So that 's what this is to me. This is an exercise
machine. And I think ....I mean, there is a lot of attention to reprogram it,
because it does have a computer chip in it. So, I think it has a lot of untapped
potential in that way.

Guest: So you are
going to continue to write programs then?

Jim: We have already
done some.

Evelynn Culver:
I think the analogy to the brain washing thing is does sort of push, or help
the personality structure, that is that little pattering voice and be distracted
and relaxed and go into sort of a dormant state so that we can perhaps interface
with some of the higher conscious functions and subconscious functions. I've
found that it has definitely done a lot to my dreaming. And Mary, is a real
dream person and I think that, you know, I don't know what it has done to your
dreaming, but I think that I have experienced more lucid dreaming and more intense
dreaming since I started using this. I have really tried to do this lucid dreaming
thing. So, that is another interesting aspect of this. I don't think it was
designed for, but it just seems to have that effect. Anyway.

Jim: This wasn't
designed to do what you are talking about. Evelynn. This was designed strictly
to get the mind out of the way. This was not designed to focus you into Focus
l2, or whatever the Monroe people do. I had someone who used to work for Monroe
try this machine and he told me that he really loved Monroe stuff. And he really
did it for many years. But he found it kept him in a certain space. He could
only go where this was designed to go and he couldn't travel anywhere else.
He felt almost trained into that sync and he wanted to do other things and he
couldn't. So he stopped using Monroe stuff. He did the TM and he spent years
learning TM. He found it so difficult, the mantras and all that. But he finally
learned how to do, but then when he got to where he could go wherever he wanted
to so he felt it was beneficial. Not to be focused on one thing. When he experienced
the program you just listened to now, he gave me a very high comment, he says,
this could have saved him years of TM. But when this stopped playing, he could
go wherever he wanted to. In other words, this took his conscious mind out of
there, it got him down into a relaxed state, and then he could travel to whatever
Universe he wanted to go to. So this could save years of TM, watching candles,
all the various techniques that are out there that take such a long time. But
this is not designed to focus you in any particular meditate state. As a matter
of fact, let me speak on that for a moment. Ah, we found out kind of accidentally,
or maybe not accidentally, but I have a friend who was quite psychic and he
started making drawings of things I had not shared with anyone yet, some inventions
I hadn't built yet. He would make me drawings of them . He would write what
they were and so forth. I couldn't figure out how he would know that. Secret
you know. Anyway, being very psychic, one day he started telling me about he
is going to kill somebody. This girl that needed to be killed. She is a bad
person. He is going to kill her. And I said this doesn't sound too balanced,
type of thing. And then the story comes out, someone, man or someone, is telling
he has to do this. And she will reward him by his winning the kick boxing championship
of the whole world. Does this sound valid? This sounds real sick, I don't think
so. But I couldn't talk him out of it. So some spirit apparently was tied into
him, and controlling him. Which is kind of a shame. And I spent a couple of
weeks talking to him, trying to talk him out of this stuff. And I couldn't.
I couldn't reason with him. Finally I said, let's go to my house. And I put
this program on. Within 5 minutes he says "I am free. Oh My God, I'm FREE. Do
you know what I almost did? I almost killed somebody. My god, she has been lying
to me and da da da da....." So apparaently he was under the power of a spirit.
Not a good one apparently. And he didn't realize he couldn't get out of it,
but this sound disconnected the linkage. OK. So this echo's what you were saying
to me that when you tied into it, it interfered with your time. And I've had
quite a few other experiences like that where it helped people who are maybe
schizophrenic, if that's really an illness, hear voices and so forth. The program
you just listened to shuts down that kind of chatter, or take over, or whatever,
I don't know too much about that world OK. But I know that it seems to help
people disconnect from bad spirits, if that is what it is. That is not my world,
this is more Evelynn's type of world. But so therefore this would confirm that
this disconnects your channeling. So basically for your kind of work, you would
use this to get rid of your daily stress, get rid of all the things you have
heard about all day long. Shut down, and once you get there, you turn the thing
off, and go where you need to go. The other thing we've talked about, Evelynn
and I are working on some programs designed to do specifically different directions,
different frequencies, and so forth. We have begun that work. But don't have
anything ready yet. I am going to play you a frequency range that Evelynn poked
me into doing. Go ahead.