As he said, the problem with university system is that it really needs to be brought up to code or modernized because right now it takes 18 months to get a curriculum approved. You can’t do that and keep up with the pace of technology.

Tony: I think it depends on your commitment. At FSU we literally gave them some Microsoft software. We said listen “don't spend any money, we'll give you the software, we’ll host it in our cloud for free, but we want to teach this exact thing. We will guarantee you jobs at the end. Let us guest lecture in the classes” and they did that in a couple of months. So I think you can do it, but you’ve got to be committed. We took 50 kids. That doesn't sound like a lot but it actually is a lot in a short amount of time, for a university. I do think security architecture in particular – if that’s the topic – is way behind.

Julian: In the D.C. metropolitan area there’s now at least five or six universities that offer an undergraduate in computer science with an emphasis on cyber security.

Heather: I suggest you [widen your base.]I don’t think you’re looking enough. Because we've had other folks who have no issues with their security folks because the ...

Julian: No it’s not an issues, so… one set of my products, the office of the president is one of them. The skill sets are highly focused and unless you worked in kind of a DOD intelligence infrastructure, yeah, I mean you got to go to people like Lockheed.

[people talking over each other]

Julian: You don’t have to have a [clearance], but you just have to have the experience. It’s very specified. So if you're in Boston or D.C. right now, even in the insurance industry, large companies have to have cyber insurance. It’s about to become the law. So insurance companies are even feeding these universities with more money to get more people with this expertise and it just doesn't hit here yet.

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