FirstNationalBastard:Great Janitor: mrlewish: One thing superior about the USS Enterprise carrier. It has bathrooms. Never seen one on the starship Enterprise.

It's clear that there were restrooms in the individual quarters. I mean there is a small alcove on one side of the room behind an open door with a sink and running water. Clearly there's a shower and toilet back there as well (TNG crew quarters)

There is even one on the Bridge. One TNG, look in the rear section of the Bridge. You'll see a small alcove. In that alcove are two doors. One door leads to the Observation Deck, the other door faces that door (okay, it's not easily seen, but from some angles you can see it, sometimes crew members walk out of it), that door leads to the Bridge restroom. There is even another one in the Captain's Ready Room. In the Ready Room there is the replicator and what looks like a small hallway. That leads to the Captain's private restroom.

Do they have to evacuate the bridge after Worf goes on a prune juice bender and blows up the bathroom?

"Captain! Come quick! You've got to see this! It looks like live gagh!"

Ok, I laughed way too hard at that. Does that mean that for some reason it's squirming even after being evacuated?

Slaves2Darkness:alienated: Sgt Otter: Those spheres on top of the Star Destroyer's bridge are its shield generators.

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The idea that a Star Destroyer does not have shields is just silly, besides you think those Phasers or photon torpedoes really deliver more destructive power then Turbo Lasers? The lasers on the Death Star were only slightly larger then Turbo Lasers and they could destroy a whole planet.

The Millenium Falcon stole it's shields and upgraded armor from a Star Destroyer, along with it's incredibly advanced hyper drive, and multiple droid brain foul mouthed primary computer made it a very hard ship to maintain.

Star trek technobably makes absolutely no sense. they just picked big numbers and ran with it, not knowing anything about what those number mean.

Slaves2Darkness:alienated: Sgt Otter: Those spheres on top of the Star Destroyer's bridge are its shield generators.

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The idea that a Star Destroyer does not have shields is just silly, besides you think those Phasers or photon torpedoes really deliver more destructive power then Turbo Lasers? The lasers on the Death Star were only slightly larger then Turbo Lasers and they could destroy a whole planet.

The Millenium Falcon stole it's shields and upgraded armor from a Star Destroyer, along with it's incredibly advanced hyper drive, and multiple droid brain foul mouthed primary computer made it a very hard ship to maintain.

One, they supposedly had shields but even little ships like X-wings were routinely shown blowing up stuff on the surface of ships. Either the shields only covered specific areas of the ship or they were VERY weak,

Two, The Death star was essentially a huge power plant to focus everything into a series of beams that were collimated into one big beam weapon. It takes time to charge and fire. Meanwhile on Star Trek they had several episodes where they carefully turned *down* the power on the phasers AND widened the beam to distribute power evenly and drilled into planets with just one beam.

Three. As was pointed out earlier the shield technology on Star Trek had advanced to the point where even the most powerful lasers weren't even a bother to their basic navigational deflector shield let alone the shields they used when they were in a fight.

FirstNationalBastard:Great Janitor: mrlewish: One thing superior about the USS Enterprise carrier. It has bathrooms. Never seen one on the starship Enterprise.

It's clear that there were restrooms in the individual quarters. I mean there is a small alcove on one side of the room behind an open door with a sink and running water. Clearly there's a shower and toilet back there as well (TNG crew quarters)

There is even one on the Bridge. One TNG, look in the rear section of the Bridge. You'll see a small alcove. In that alcove are two doors. One door leads to the Observation Deck, the other door faces that door (okay, it's not easily seen, but from some angles you can see it, sometimes crew members walk out of it), that door leads to the Bridge restroom. There is even another one in the Captain's Ready Room. In the Ready Room there is the replicator and what looks like a small hallway. That leads to the Captain's private restroom.

Do they have to evacuate the bridge after Worf goes on a prune juice bender and blows up the bathroom?

"Captain! Come quick! You've got to see this! It looks like live gagh!"

I honestly don't know.

But there was once or twice Picard was seen walking out of that room, tugging on his uniform. I would love it if there was a scene where you have like O'Brian and Geordie talking, and O'Brian says "Yeah, I walked into the restroom on the bridge after the Captain was finished using it. How the hell can the man command the flag ship of the Federation and not know to lift the seat when you pee?"

Just watched Wrath of Khan on Netflix last night after watching TOS Khan episode. It was really good to watch it that way so it was fresh. So then I was curious. Maybe that will help me watch Star Trek III since it's just a continuation. I had completely blocked out Star Trek III. Couldn't remember the plot at all even though it is obvious from the title. Yeah that was a huge waste of time. Horrible. I remember IV because that's pretty good too. V of course is awful and VI is good. Yes yes, I know....only do even numbered ones. But we didn't know that in the 80s when they were coming out. I had seen them all at one point and didn't realize how thoroughly I had blocked the odd numbered ones from my memory. I thought maybe watching them in order would help all that. It did not.

Great Janitor:studebaker hoch: Star Trek wins because they have time travel.

If they lose a fight, any ship in the federation can just go back in time and change history so they win.

That is something I wondered about a few times. They can go back in time simply by flying around the sun at warp speeds. So, during the Dominion War, when the Federation was losing, why didn't someone ever suggest "Let's sling shot around the Bajoran sun to when Sisko first made contact with the Dominion and the Odyssey was destroyed and say "Okay, here's what's about to happen. Kill Gul Dukat. Here is a list of really good chances to do so. Also, here is a way of collapsing the wormhole without killing the Prophets."

/I know, dramatic purposes and all that.

But then, what reason would they have to go back and kill Dukat? Oh dear, I think I've gone cross eyed.

NeoCortex42:alienated: Well, since one is cgi and props/sets, and the other was a great damn flattop- I have to go with the big E.

TNG barely used any CGI, except for a couple of shots.

This was probably just an optical effect, but let's hope they fix this one up for the bluray. Fifth(!) season, the phaser coming out of the torpedo tube.

Curious thing, the article mentions that the NCC has no fighters and looks after itself all the time. The large shuttle craft (although more so the Runabouts) are actually quite heavily armed and shielded, even having torpedo launchers on them.

The Federation ships, irrespective of them only being 'Cruisers' or 'Destroyers' are actually Carriers in their own right.

The actual difference between the two is that the fictional Enterprise assumes you're friendly and doesn't run patrols with it's fighters, the real Enterprise assumes you aren't and does.

Great Janitor:mrlewish: One thing superior about the USS Enterprise carrier. It has bathrooms. Never seen one on the starship Enterprise.

It's clear that there were restrooms in the individual quarters. I mean there is a small alcove on one side of the room behind an open door with a sink and running water. Clearly there's a shower and toilet back there as well (TNG crew quarters)

There is even one on the Bridge. One TNG, look in the rear section of the Bridge. You'll see a small alcove. In that alcove are two doors. One door leads to the Observation Deck, the other door faces that door (okay, it's not easily seen, but from some angles you can see it, sometimes crew members walk out of it), that door leads to the Bridge restroom. There is even another one in the Captain's Ready Room. In the Ready Room there is the replicator and what looks like a small hallway. That leads to the Captain's private restroom.

I've always felt the movie version was the most majestic and well-designed. The swept-back diagonal warp nacelle pylons especially.

The one design I will NEVER like is the NX-Enterprise. All they did was take an Akira-class (one of my all-time favorite Federation starship designs) and flipped it upside-down, then tried to pass it off as primitive. Blech.

TV's Vinnie:Some concepts of what the Enterprise Refit (the one between TOS Connie and the A) could have looked like, by Ralph McQuarrie:[geektyrant.com image 800x378][geektyrant.com image 760x346][geektyrant.com image 550x300]

Wow. The first two are, like, bizarre. But they'd make a good carrier-type ship for a squad of fighters, if the front was open so they could fly in from one side and out the other.

TV's Vinnie:Some concepts of what the Enterprise Refit (the one between TOS Connie and the A) could have looked like, by Ralph McQuarrie:[geektyrant.com image 800x378][geektyrant.com image 760x346][geektyrant.com image 550x300]

Yeah, but since Enterprise-A was just a re-use of the refit model, this would have turned out to be the Enterprise-A as well as the Motion Picture refit.

FirstNationalBastard:TV's Vinnie: Some concepts of what the Enterprise Refit (the one between TOS Connie and the A) could have looked like, by Ralph McQuarrie:[geektyrant.com image 800x378][geektyrant.com image 760x346][geektyrant.com image 550x300]

Yeah, but since Enterprise-A was just a re-use of the refit model, this would have turned out to be the Enterprise-A as well as the Motion Picture refit.

These were concept drawings for ST: The Motion Picture (ergo, the one between TOS and the A model).

Paramount was tossing around the idea of a "Prequel" Trek since 1970 (something that Walter Koenig thought wouldn't work, cuz if Kirk/Spock/McCoy would be young officers, that would have made Chekov & Sulu gradeschoolers). All JJ did was take that concept and just do it as a total reboot.

I've always felt the movie version was the most majestic and well-designed. The swept-back diagonal warp nacelle pylons especially.

The one design I will NEVER like is the NX-Enterprise. All they did was take an Akira-class (one of my all-time favorite Federation starship designs) and flipped it upside-down, then tried to pass it off as primitive. Blech.

Yeah, they probably should have gone with something closer to the Daedalus class or that odd 'stick in a hoop' thing, but from what I've read, they got caught up with making the Enterprise 'souped' up looking and couldn'tbring themselves to do the less streamlined stuff that had been shown to be ships of that era. Plus, it's got to be hard to make a prequel that takes place a century before a show that was filmed half a century ago. Even by accident, the newer show is going to look more advanced.The Motion Picture gets mocked for the glory shots of the new Enterprise, but they built an fantastic new ship and a fantastic model, of course they were going to go overboard in showing it off. And, it was maybe the only Trek movie that really captured the feeling that this was a pretty damn big ship. They got some of that back,IMO, in both First Contact and the reboot, but not quite to the same degree. I know the scene where McCoy and Kirk see the Enterprise in orbit in the reboot is supposed to convey the same feeling as when Scotty shows off the refit Enterprise to Kirk in TMP, but it's a little too fast, and I don't think the rebooted Enterprise is as majestic looking as the refitted original.

Ishidan:Off the top of my head, without even leaving existing naval nomenclature:

CVN-Enterprise: An aircraft carrier. Designed to be a force-projection platform that always travels as part of a battle group, but really can't do much alone. When it does move, however, it has one job: destroy.NCC-Enterprise: A cruiser. Designed for long term independent operation. Happens to also mount exceptional sensors (as befits its mission of'seek out, go where no man has gone before'...it's a SCOUT!) and a powerful suite of point defense and direct-firing weapons (it took em HOW long to come up with a heat-seeking torpedo?). If you see it in a pitched battle, something has gone terribly wrong-but there you go.

Book it, done.

not to be nerd pedantic...but they had to configure a photon torpedo (which already has its own guidance systems) to accept and parse telemetry data from an instrument pack that was designed to detect trace gases in a nebula. It was not heat seeking at all.

Or, as an analogy, they had to take the instrument pack from a weather balloon, find a way to attach the right sensors to a jet-mounted anti-radiation missile (the kind we use to destroy enemy radar sites) and configure it to home in on trace amounts of methane coming from the flatulence of an invisible bad guy hiding 20 miles away, and use that data to kill him.

Vaneshi:Curious thing, the article mentions that the NCC has no fighters and looks after itself all the time. The large shuttle craft (although more so the Runabouts) are actually quite heavily armed and shielded, even having torpedo launchers on them.

The Federation ships, irrespective of them only being 'Cruisers' or 'Destroyers' are actually Carriers in their own right.

The actual difference between the two is that the fictional Enterprise assumes you're friendly and doesn't run patrols with it's fighters, the real Enterprise assumes you aren't and does.

We never see anything in Star Trek alluding to a starfighter/light craft doctrine like we do in wet naval or Star Wars/Babylon 5/Battlestar Galactica/Macross/Space: Above & Beyond. There's plenty of it in some non-canonical sources (Star Fleet Battles is the most glaring example).

I've always felt the movie version was the most majestic and well-designed. The swept-back diagonal warp nacelle pylons especially.

The one design I will NEVER like is the NX-Enterprise. All they did was take an Akira-class (one of my all-time favorite Federation starship designs) and flipped it upside-down, then tried to pass it off as primitive. Blech.

The refit for the non-existent next season looked to be a huge improvement:

UNC_Samurai:Vaneshi: Curious thing, the article mentions that the NCC has no fighters and looks after itself all the time. The large shuttle craft (although more so the Runabouts) are actually quite heavily armed and shielded, even having torpedo launchers on them.

The Federation ships, irrespective of them only being 'Cruisers' or 'Destroyers' are actually Carriers in their own right.

The actual difference between the two is that the fictional Enterprise assumes you're friendly and doesn't run patrols with it's fighters, the real Enterprise assumes you aren't and does.

We never see anything in Star Trek alluding to a starfighter/light craft doctrine like we do in wet naval or Star Wars/Babylon 5/Battlestar Galactica/Macross/Space: Above & Beyond. There's plenty of it in some non-canonical sources (Star Fleet Battles is the most glaring example).

They had plenty of stuff dealing with small craft on DS9. For the first few season runabouts were all they had to launch to intercept anything. Later they had battles that involved dedicated fighter craft.

I've always felt the movie version was the most majestic and well-designed. The swept-back diagonal warp nacelle pylons especially.

The one design I will NEVER like is the NX-Enterprise. All they did was take an Akira-class (one of my all-time favorite Federation starship designs) and flipped it upside-down, then tried to pass it off as primitive. Blech.

The refit for the non-existent next season looked to be a huge improvement:[img193.imageshack.us image 800x599][images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 591x351]

I don't know, somehow that looks even worse. It's like they thought "People hate this Enterprise because it looks nothing like the Enterprise, let's stick an engineering section to it and redo the nacelles! Now it looks a little more like the NCC-1701!". Like going from advanced-looking to primitive-looking and then to advanced-looking.

It's the same problem I had with the other races' ships in "Enterprise". The Klingon and Romulan ships were too damned advanced-looking and looked too much like the future ships (and don't get me started on the Romulans having cloaking technology and the "Balance of Terror"-design Bird-of-Prey BEFORE the Earth-Romulan War). Also the problem I had with the Star Wars prequels, everything's too advanced for being in the past and how everything has to be some kind of predecessor to something we saw in the original trilogy.

Keizer_Ghidorah:Also the problem I had with the Star Wars prequels, everything's too advanced for being in the past and how everything has to be some kind of predecessor to something we saw in the original trilogy.

It's a typical prequel problem. In X-Men, Magneto had trouble keeping a bunch of bullets in check. But in Last Stand, he casually flings about flights of missiles. (There's some retcon that can be used to explain it, but it's certainly not what was intended when X-Men came out.) And it's all because subsequent movies, even prequels, have to prevent more difficult villains and situations or the audience will say to themselves, "Oh. This isn't as hard as the last thing we saw them face. No challenge here." So they always make everything more and more impressive. Even when going backwards in time.

Keizer_Ghidorah:Also the problem I had with the Star Wars prequels, everything's too advanced for being in the past and how everything has to be some kind of predecessor to something we saw in the original trilogy.

I'm actually fine with things looking shinier and more advanced in the Star Wars prequels. I figure they were going from a golden age in the prequels to a dark age of oppression in the original trilogy. Everything was getting run down and the rebel forces had to make due with whatever tech they could scrape together.

vygramul:Keizer_Ghidorah: Also the problem I had with the Star Wars prequels, everything's too advanced for being in the past and how everything has to be some kind of predecessor to something we saw in the original trilogy.

It's a typical prequel problem. In X-Men, Magneto had trouble keeping a bunch of bullets in check. But in Last Stand, he casually flings about flights of missiles.

Fridge brilliance: bullets are usually made of lead, which is not a metal that responds to magnetism. Small cross section, too-not much to grab onto. Missiles usually have a much higher content of metals that are affected by magnetism- copper in the guidance system, steel in the structural framework and fuel tanks, and so on. Sure, there was a million times more mass of missiles-but those missiles would be more vulnerable to being yanked around by magnetism.