White/Roger Williams Family Association (Book III; p. 8) acknowledges that some sources claim that Deborah Sayles is the daughter of John Sayles' brother, Richard, and therefore not descended from Roger Williams. But they note that her first son is named John and none are named Richard, and that Carr sources claim Deborah's connection to Roger Williams. "The Roger Williams Family Association has always accepted into membership descendants of Deborah (Sayles) Carr.