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Christmas time has come and I finally get to have a new kite.... I got the Talon UL last November and I am to pick up a new baby...

But, I need your help and advice on what you think would be a good second kite...

1. R-Sky Toxic. - I love the way that it looks when it flies it looks like it in a kite in the direction that I would like to go... but I have only seen Debray fly it in the videos and he makes them all look amazing. So any input from other people that might have flown it would be great.

2. JoE Talon Std. - I need a kite that can handle the days where my UL will not fly. Obviously the Talon is a great kite, i am just trying to figure out whether I should get something else for variety sake.

3. Benson Deep Space Std. - It seems everyone that flies this loves it and says it should be in the bag at some point... But considering that I love my Talon (and that the Talon was designed after the DS anyway) Should I get this or stick with the Talon??

4. CGK Superfly. - Need I say more. I am sure it is a great kite... but then again the only video of the kite is with Chris flying and be reall. he could probably make my Techno do that... lol. And I also do see any reviews on them yet...

5. SKD Transformer. - not sure about this one because I love Toms FL but I can't quite swing the bucks for a FL yet... So I think I will wait and get the FL instead of the Transformer this time around...

As always, you guys are the best and I appreciate any and all input.

ThanksShane

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I have a Talon Std and a DS Std and UL. The DS and the Talon are variations on a very similar theme. The DS is better at the flat spinny stuff and the Talon is better at the pitchy stuff. The DS gets quite fast above 8 mph, so the Talon may be the better choice of the two to complement your Talon UL. It is twitchier in a fade than the Talon UL or the DS, so you may want to take that into account. Neither sit particularly deep in the turtle, so aren't as easy to do multi-lazy type tricks on. Build quality on both is absolutely top notch.

Out of the rest, I've flown a couple of incarnations of Superfly protos: the Stella winning kite in some horrendously gusty 15-20mph wind and the final proto in 3-4 mph. Obviously neither conditions were ideal for testing it in, but it does feel like a really nice kite. I have to admit being sorely tempted myself.

Not flown a Toxic or a Transformer so really can't comment on either of those. I have flown a FL though and found it far too locked into the turtle for my liking. Just my opinion.

Both are so new that you probably can't even get a first-hand conversational review at this point, so more risk there. Of course, if you buy one and don't like it, you can knock off 20% and sell it here in probably less than 45 minutes.

A new kite is always a tough choice when you can't fly them first!

Transformer is a smaller mad trickster that has amazing precision (better than many larger kites I've tried) which is a combination I love. I've been flying mine for over a year now and still can't get enough of it - one of my favorites in a wide variety of wind. But, you've flown mine so if its not for you then perhaps best holding off for the FVL.

I would expect the Toxic to be more like the Transformer than the Talon is (due to how R-SKYs other kites feel), not sure about the SF - it's hard to tell too much from that one sweet video other than the thing sure seems to Taz and freestyle combo like mad.

I guess what I'm saying is that these choices seem to good, that you can't really make a mistake!

I'd build a family of kites before branching out. It you like the Talon UL but want more upper wind range, it would make sense to go with the std. If you like the way the UL flies, you'll like the way the standard flies. And you won't have to adjust your flying style either. Different kites have different flying styles. It's nice to have variety but maybe save it for the NEXT kite after this one.

I have the DS too and it's everything everyone's said in this thread. I, actually, never thought it got fast as the wind picks up. My EXILE gets fast as the wind picks up and is a lot harder to trick than the DS at the same wind speed.

Sure, buying a STD Talon if you allready have the UL is a wise thing to do. Can't go wrong with that.

However, if your're looking for variation... i'd get a different style kite. Perhaps something more allround. Tricks and precision.I bought a Transfer XTr after flying the Gemini for a while. Almost the opposite stylewise. Frustrating at first, but i learned so much flying that kite.Not recommending a Transfer though.

The Talon family is not that great at backflip based tricks. The Toxic and FL excell at it. Like Jaydub said: they lock in.I like the DS but never owned one. Don't know about the Transformer.

I'd say: get yourself a (2nd hand) Nirvana (SE). Bigger inputs and more physical flying, but you won't be dissapointed.

Christmas time has come and I finally get to have a new kite.... I got the Talon UL last November and I am to pick up a new baby...

4. CGK Superfly. - Need I say more. I am sure it is a great kite... but then again the only video of the kite is with Chris flying and be reall. he could probably make my Techno do that... lol. And I also do see any reviews on them yet...

Not surprising since he just started taking orders a few weeks ago. But in lieu of a review, when my gets here you're welcome to stop by and give it a toss.

Denny

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