I think Spear600 is old compared to new CPUs running faster and with more cores and Probably the old Windows CE was a better fit. That is why I asked about the responsiveness as it seems Linux is heavier and the same reason for it to take 1 min to boot might impact on the performance of the scope app

What a twist, the new scope runs Linux. I guess that makes sense, with WinCE 6 reaching EOL, and STMicro advertises that their SPEAr600 supports Linux anyway. I wonder how Linux takes advantage of the processor's two cores (to my knowledge, WinCE 6 didn't support multi-core processing).

I guess that means we'll need a different approach to run Doom on Keysight's newer lineup of scopes.

I think Spear600 is old compared to new CPUs running faster and with more cores and Probably the old Windows CE was a better fit. That is why I asked about the responsiveness as it seems Linux is heavier and the same reason for it to take 1 min to boot might impact on the performance of the scope app

Linux doesn't have to be heavier. That is nonsense. Also the boot time of a Linux system is defined by the speed of the flash being used. Put a Sata SSD in an embedded Linux system and it wil start in seconds. Besides that the oscilloscope likely does a quick self test during starting.

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There are small lies, big lies and then there is what is on the screen of your oscilloscope.

I think Spear600 is old compared to new CPUs running faster and with more cores and Probably the old Windows CE was a better fit. That is why I asked about the responsiveness as it seems Linux is heavier and the same reason for it to take 1 min to boot might impact on the performance of the scope app

Linux doesn't have to be heavier. That is nonsense. Also the boot time of a Linux system is defined by the speed of the flash being used. Put a Sata SSD in an embedded Linux system and it wil start in seconds. Besides that the oscilloscope likely does a quick self test during starting.

Ideally sure, but there's plenty of ways a default normal Linux system is slower to boot than it needs to be for fixed hardware configurations (scanning busses that will never be used etc.)

*Done well* there should be minimal practical differences between WinCE and Linux, but if you just use a generic kernel & image (or without systemd which for all its faults is normally faster) it probably is slower.

I think Spear600 is old compared to new CPUs running faster and with more cores and Probably the old Windows CE was a better fit. That is why I asked about the responsiveness as it seems Linux is heavier and the same reason for it to take 1 min to boot might impact on the performance of the scope app

Linux doesn't have to be heavier. That is nonsense. Also the boot time of a Linux system is defined by the speed of the flash being used. Put a Sata SSD in an embedded Linux system and it wil start in seconds. Besides that the oscilloscope likely does a quick self test during starting.

What I meant is that PROBABLY the specific Linux distro in use is heavier than Windows CE on the SPEAR600 that the Keysight scope uses.

I know it can be made to boot in 10 seconds like the R&S or the Micsig TO1000 scopes, probably by using some battery backed memory to keep persistent code and data in memory saved for the next boot. I wonder if R&S scope takes longer to boot after a firmware update or the update process per se stores certain code & data in persistent memory.

But if they decided to go with the 60 seconds boot time, then there must be hardware limitations on the current SPEAR600 + flash + ASIC interface to implement specific techniques like smartphones or tablets.

I think Spear600 is old compared to new CPUs running faster and with more cores and Probably the old Windows CE was a better fit. That is why I asked about the responsiveness as it seems Linux is heavier and the same reason for it to take 1 min to boot might impact on the performance of the scope app

Linux doesn't have to be heavier. That is nonsense. Also the boot time of a Linux system is defined by the speed of the flash being used. Put a Sata SSD in an embedded Linux system and it wil start in seconds. Besides that the oscilloscope likely does a quick self test during starting.

What I meant is that PROBABLY the specific Linux distro in use is heavier than Windows CE on the SPEAR600 that the Keysight scope uses.

I know it can be made to boot in 10 seconds like the R&S or the Micsig TO1000 scopes, probably by using some battery backed memory to keep persistent code and data in memory saved for the next boot. I wonder if R&S scope takes longer to boot after a firmware update or the update process per se stores certain code & data in persistent memory.

But if they decided to go with the 60 seconds boot time, then there must be hardware limitations on the current SPEAR600 + flash + ASIC interface to implement specific techniques like smartphones or tablets.

R&S uses freeRTOS or something similar (it's listed in the open source acknowledgement thing). The boot time is always fast, and i don't think it saves anything between boots to do it. Definitely nice to have it that quick but I think Linux is also a reasonable choice if optimised well - boot times aren't everything.

I still love my Agilent DSOX2002A introduced 8 years ago. Is there a successor coming?On the other hand, Tektronix still has no successor for that MSO2000B from 2008 or so. And they still produce TDS3000 from 1998! https://uk.tek.com/oscilloscope/tds3000OK, they changed the floppy drive for an USB port.

Like I said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me to see a new arch show up for the rest of the X-line within a year or two. But who knows. I've been wrong before, yhey might have decided that they want to thin out the linup also.

Well, I still do not see much reasons to buy this scope instead of DSOX2000 series, when it is based on the same ASIC. Maybe if you need a little 4 channel scope. 1000x has only 150Vrms input voltage. DSOX2000 has 300Vrms probably, the datasheet is a bit unclear. Yes the 1000x is a lot cheaper.

Like I said earlier, it wouldn't surprise me to see a new arch show up for the rest of the X-line within a year or two. But who knows. I've been wrong before, yhey might have decided that they want to thin out the linup also.

I assume by "probe comp" you're really meaning AutoProbe (at least the more limited version the 3/4/6 series has).

The list you have does roughly make sense, I'd probably say new 4k probably keeps at least a small bandwidth bump over 3k.

It's the 6k I'm not sure about, it's a wonderful scope (I love mine), but it's very close in many ways to the S-series, so it would need something special to keep it post-refresh, especially if the 4k was also being kept. One possibility might be to somehow allow the scope to be hooked up to a Windows PC via thunderbolt (external PCIe) to turn it into a full Windows-running scope when needed.

I'd also guess that we'd see the models released in the same order as they were for the current run, so a 2k & 3k first, then about a year later a 4k, and another year or two for the 6k, and as old as these models are, other than perhaps competing with the (lower end of the) new Tek 5k series at the high end, and some of the R&S units, I don't think the pressure is there to move as fast as they could.

Remember there's been no firmware update since late 2017 for most of these models.

We don't plan to drop the 2000 X-Series right now, but it definitely will make sense for a lot of people to go with the 1000X. A lot has changed in the last 8-10 years, so the 1000 X-Series makes more business sense today than it did in 2012 with the series was first launched.

The big draw for the 6000 X-Series is that it's a cheap way to get to 6 GHz. Most people in that space will opt for the S-Series, though.

Well, I still do not see much reasons to buy this scope instead of DSOX2000 series, when it is based on the same ASIC. Maybe if you need a little 4 channel scope. 1000x has only 150Vrms input voltage. DSOX2000 has 300Vrms probably, the datasheet is a bit unclear. Yes the 1000x is a lot cheaper.

There you go. You get almost the same for a lot less. Unless you require those differences or money isn't an object, the 1000X series is hard to beat.

I own the EDUX1002G, then purchased MSO5074 from Rigol... for me, it is not near the usability of the Keysight... it can be hacked to have tons of features, but it is slow and the serial protocol decoding a toy. I am about to return it

The EDUX1002G hacked and with some hardware mods can have 2.5 channels and it is a pleasure and fun to use. The Rigol is giving me headaches, you don't know what you are getting from the scope, you are always wondering if what is showing is accurate or not.

I can hardly wait to receive mine @Keysight DanielBogdanoff do you know wether the contest scopes are fully kitted out or do I need to contact a local distributor to buy serial decoding (SPI, I2C and UART)?

The Rigol is giving me headaches, you don't know what you are getting from the scope, you are always wondering if what is showing is accurate or not.

I said that shortly after rigol cheapies flooded the market and contaminated brains on this forum. And i provided hands on evidence in my "Project Yaigol" forensic post (which can be found by searching this forum). I said people will be puppy happy until this rigol junk will start affecting their performance by dragging them back, when instead of working on the projects they will be working on fighting their rigol junk scope. For which i was beaten by rigol fan boys. I am glad my predictions were correct.