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"The main thing that frustrated me about every boxing game made before Fight Night was that it really had nothing to do with the sport of boxing. Gameplay in other boxing games was centered around the mindless button mashing that resulted from the rudimentary button punch controls. With Fight Night, we definitely wanted to deliver a game that was true to the sport of boxing."

I'm gonna definitely get this one somewhere down the road. (I know somebody told me to go ahead and get the first one, 'cause it's still really good, but still.. I really need only one boxing game, and they've done so much stuff better for the second.. )

Frankly, I'm damn glad Tyson isn't in the game. A RAPIST should be given NOTHING, certainly not more money or recognition. Jesus, that's just one more thing wrong with professional sports. Okay I should stop now.

__________________“I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."
-- Rebecca West, 1913
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
– Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

While I'm ecstatic that Phillipino hero/icon Manny "Pac Man" Pacquaio is in there, I'm slightly underwhelemed by the roster. I could be wrong, but it seems less than the first. The featherweight class is probably the most intriguing now.

I'd have to see Holmes, Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, De LaHoya, Hagler, Hearns, Ray Leonard, Klitchko, and Trinidad to be happy. Having Jack Johnson, Dempsey and Hurricane Carter would have been a bonus.

Thanks for the roster. Some pretty good names there including Jake LaMotta.

However, I am sorely disappointed in you. Yes, you. In that you are disappointed that a convicted RAPIST is not included in the line-up. You are a rather intelligent and informed fellow, so when you are disappointed, I can only envision what the masses think. *heavy sigh*

__________________“I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."
-- Rebecca West, 1913
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
– Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

However, I am sorely disappointed in you. Yes, you. In that you are disappointed that a convicted RAPIST is not included in the line-up. You are a rather intelligent and informed fellow, so when you are disappointed, I can only envision what the masses think. *heavy sigh*

I'm sorry you feel that way. Its a tough call morally and ethically. I mean Babe Ruth and Ty Cobbs weren't choir boys and yet they are legends of the Baseball Diamond. When I think of Tyson, I think of the young buck from Brooklyn who destroyed his opponents with his magnificent uppercut and made boxing mainstream in the late 1980s. I try not to think of the loose cannon freakshow that he has become. Where does actions outside of the ring start to affect his legacy inside of it. This not an easy dilemna.

While I am by no means defending his actions, something to consider is that he did serve his time and did not beat the rap like so many other superstar athlethes (*oj cough*).

All I know is that as a fan of the sweet science, I would like to see him in the game. A game titled "Tyson Bar Room Brawler" or "Tyson's Ear Chomping Road Rage" would clearly be appalling.

Frankly, I'm damn glad Tyson isn't in the game. A RAPIST should be given NOTHING, certainly not more money or recognition. Jesus, that's just one more thing wrong with professional sports. Okay I should stop now.

Not to risk changing the subject, but there are convicted rapists in virtually every profession. Some are richer and more popular than others, but one can find a scumbag like Tyson in all corners of society. Also, for every Ron Artest or Mike Tyson playing professional sports, there are several who spend a large portion of their time and money on their own charitable foundations.

It's true, Chi. There are lots of oldies who weren't exactly the nicest of fellows, either. But the way media has developed has merged their character into one person. Before, (I believe) it was more the people "in the know," who better understood the true personality behind these sports stars, and children, at least, were better able to fantasize about their heroes.

Which reminds me. Damn it, Randy Moss is now a Raider. God I hate that guy; I don't care how good he is. And I guess he played college football for some podunk college team around here called Marshall back in day -- people say he was an ass then, and clearly, he hasn't changed a bit.

Anyway, I'm sorry for derailing your topic. Sports stars who get away with murder, literally, and less, and then are still hailed as heroes are just /one/ of my pet peeves about sports. That's one of the reasons I generally despise them so much (that along with the host of other pet peeves ).

So, truly, it was a great interview. Thanks for sharing. I'll certainly be picking it up in the used bin.

__________________“I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."
-- Rebecca West, 1913
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
– Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

It's true, Chi. There are lots of oldies who weren't exactly the nicest of fellows, either. But the way media has developed has merged their character into one person. Before, (I believe) it was more the people "in the know," who better understood the true personality behind these sports stars, and children, at least, were better able to fantasize about their heroes.

I don't quite understand your point.

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Originally Posted by Hypatia93

Anyway, I'm sorry for derailing your topic. Sports stars who get away with murder, literally, and less, and then are still hailed as heroes are just /one/ of my pet peeves about sports. That's one of the reasons I generally despise them so much (that along with the host of other pet peeves ).

This is not derailing the topic at all. I'd rather talk about these larger issues than go on and on about the haymaker punches.

Okay, cool. (Just remember, you asked me. ) What I'm saying, and please remember that I'm relatively sport-knowledge-challenged, is that back in the old days, sports figures could be molded by their managers or the media or whomever did that in such a way as to make it /seem/ like they were generally good blokes, and generally they were, b/c generally people were more ethical (or at least seemed so). Stuff that the general public "aught not to know" was easier kept "under wraps" much like FDR being a parapalegic.

Today, because among other things, technology has advanced so far and ethics in general is not quite what it used to be, sports figures are given the "green light" to be assholes and people know about it in an instance. With ethical corruption hailed as personal triumph in a world where such information is easily and readily accessible, the cycle becomes even more vicious. People (children) are taught that it's okay to be dicks, because that's the way to "success." No lasting repercussions. There is a host of examples. Frankly, I shouldn't just pick on sports' figures, b/c the problem is everywhere, but I have other pet peeves with sports, so that's why it's easy for me to find fault there. Anyway, here's just some of them (in no particular order):

O.J.;
The Apprentice;
Reality shows in general;
That it's not okay for guys to show signs of affection (our troops were telling men in Iraq to, basically, "knock that shit off,"), but it's perfectly okay for guys in sports to jump on each other or slap each other on the ass after a good play or game;
Dubya and his coterie of sycophants;
Enron;
Randy Moss;
Rampant steroid use pervading sports today;
Michael Jackson;
Pepsi-Co;
Wal-Mart;
EA;
The fact that schools can't afford new schoolbooks, are shutting down fine art and foreign language, etc. programs, but damn it! still manage to fund those all important sport programs;
And many, many more.

So, that's just some of it.

Did that help at all?

P.S. Say Chi, about the game *lol* can you change the difficulty level?

__________________“I have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."
-- Rebecca West, 1913
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
– Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

In your opinion, based on gameplay, which do you think is a better game, Victorious Boxers or Fight Night: Round 2.

This isn't fair to VB since it was so ahead of its time. FN (both games) are clearly more well rounded in terms of gameplay, design, content and production values. The only thing that VB is probably still comparable is probably challenge. Otherwise, the Fight Night games outclass VB in just about every other way.

I'm still playing my way through Round 2, but the challenge in this game may be just as tough as VB.

This isn't fair to VB since it was so ahead of its time. FN (both games) are clearly more well rounded in terms of gameplay, design, content and production values. The only thing that VB is probably still comparable is probably challenge. Otherwise, the Fight Night games outclass VB in just about every other way.

I'm still playing my way through Round 2, but the challenge in this game may be just as tough as VB.

Chi

Hi GC community.
First I'd like to write I'm new to this site/forum and second I'm sorry for bumping this somewhat old topic, but I'd like to ask if any of you have played VB2? or HnI Allstars (yes, they're imports, but they're amazingly well done, well.. All Stars is more gameplay (then again, it was released like a whole year later) similiar to VB1, but VB2 career mode is just too overwelmingly good)

If anyone of you played VB2 (atleast) how would you compare it with FNR2? Would it be a first round KO (made you look horrible) Golota (being FNR2) - Brewster (being VB2) fight? or would you disagree whole-heartedly?