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Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by sawdust

At the time you entered it the question was wether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage but support the states right to legislate it. Some people, including you, couldn't understand the dicotomy.

Your and others' inability to explain that dichotomy clearly (instead of simply regurgitating the same old platitudes on state rights) tells me you don't know how it operates either. But your inability to answer it is, in fact, answer enough, and confirms the ridiculousness of Carson's comment.

Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me I just don't get it, or that "you answered it already" without specifying how or where, or tell me how state rights works, or that gay marriage doesn't interest you, or just post a random cat video to switch it up a little. Anything but actually address the question directly.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by Chainsaw

Actually the constitution is intended to limit the FEDERAL governments rights and powers.

No, it explains and quantifies the Federal government's rights and powers. This semantic difference is important. That you wouldn't understand something as basic as this can help to explain your confusion in the gay marriage conflict.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by Redress

The Supreme court has stated, repeatedly, that marriage, not certain types of marriage, but simply marriage itself, is a fundamental right. They have not stated only certain types of marriage is a fundamental right.

Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Your and others' inability to explain that dichotomy clearly (instead of simply regurgitating the same old platitudes on state rights) tells me you don't know how it operates either. But your inability to answer it is, in fact, answer enough, and confirms the ridiculousness of Carson's comment.

Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me I just don't get it, or that "you answered it already" without specifying how or where, or tell me how state rights works, or that gay marriage doesn't interest you, or just post a random cat video to switch it up a little. Anything but actually address the question directly.

Please go back and read how I answered your question.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by Paperview

Because people use the term does not change the fact: States don't have "rights." People have rights.

States have powers or authority.

If you want to exchange ideas you can't do it by making up definitions for terms used in the conversation which are different than the ones used by others. In this thread we are using the phrase states rights as defined in the Wiki link I posted. Hope you can deal with that.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

Originally Posted by sawdust

At the time you entered it the question was wether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage but support the states right to legislate it. Some people, including you, couldn't understand the dicotomy.

Actually, it had nothing to do with whether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage. It was about his claim that believed gays should have equal rights *and* that states should be able to deny them their rights. Those two beliefs of his contradict each other