Babywolf -I won't give you that argument. I ALSO worry about what is in the vaccines. I am pretty sure most parents do worry a little.

I EBF, I even went through the hassle of remodeling my house with all GREEN materials (which is very hard), I eat organic, use chlorine free diapers and cloth diapers, I use vinegar and soda to clean (really) BUT I WILL NOT PUT MY KIDS AND THE COMMUNITY at risk by not vaccinating. I am from your HB and have quietly read your posts for a while now. You are sitting on a pretty high horse.

I understand you don't think you need my family to be vaccinated to help yours, but wake up, you do!

Babywolf -I won't give you that argument. I ALSO worry about what is in the vaccines. I am pretty sure most parents do worry a little.

I EBF, I even went through the hassle of remodeling my house with all GREEN materials (which is very hard), I eat organic, use chlorine free diapers and cloth diapers, I use vinegar and soda to clean (really) BUT I WILL NOT PUT MY KIDS AND THE COMMUNITY at risk by not vaccinating. I am from your HB and have quietly read your posts for a while now. You are sitting on a pretty high horse.

I understand you don't think you need my family to be vaccinated to help yours, but wake up, you do!

Wow, you did it again. Twice in a row. Let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly: the TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who have died from these diseases, including those who still die from them every day, many even in developed nations, qualify as "not that bad"?

Also, I'm curious as to what precautions you would take to provide 100% protection all of the time, given that many of these diseases are quite capable of surviving outside the host cell (on surfaces, in soil, in water, whatever) for surprisingly long periods of time, and are also able to replicate within hours of initial infection, sometimes releasing up to 10,000 virons at a time (ex: polio).

"but even then, the death rates of these werent that bad. "

Wow, you did it again. Twice in a row. Let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly: the TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE who have died from these diseases, including those who still die from them every day, many even in developed nations, qualify as "not that bad"?

Also, I'm curious as to what precautions you would take to provide 100% protection all of the time, given that many of these diseases are quite capable of surviving outside the host cell (on surfaces, in soil, in water, whatever) for surprisingly long periods of time, and are also able to replicate within hours of initial infection, sometimes releasing up to 10,000 virons at a time (ex: polio).

i dont see any long-term studies. are there even any long-term studies done?i dont care what happens two weeks after injection or even a year after. i want to know where that aluminum is in 10 years. 20 years. why hasnt anybody done this? this should be the most researched iongredient since its, you know, a heavy metal and neurotoxin [do you know what that is?]

i dont see any long-term studies. are there even any long-term studies done?i dont care what happens two weeks after injection or even a year after. i want to know where that aluminum is in 10 years. 20 years. why hasnt anybody done this? this should be the most researched iongredient since its, you know, a heavy metal and neurotoxin [do you know what that is?]

Do you honestly think that no one in the entire medical and scientific community has reviewed aluminum in vaccines? They obviously have, yet they still concede hands down that vaccinations are the way to go. So why do you think you are smarter than all of them combined because you have google on your phone/internet??? You act like your cracking some huge conspiracy b/c you look up aluminum levels and mistakingly presume you know how to interpret what you are reading.

Also, your smugness is irritating. Is this your first child? I have to wonder if you child/children have ever had a cold or other sickness that you "catch" from germs? Because if so, then obviously you must concede your amazing cooking skills and capacity to use antibacterial cleaning products wasnt sufficient enough to stop them from getting a cold? Yet you are willing to bet that will stop them from getting polio, diptheria, whooping cough, etc etc?

Finally, is the basis of your stance that 1) vaccinations arent necessary b/c these diseases arent that bad nor common nor likely to reapear in our modern society; OR that 2) the vaccinations are dangerous?

Or is it a double conspiracy -- the diseases would never come back, and Big Pharma and the entire scientific community just have this crush on poisening children?

Do you honestly think that no one in the entire medical and scientific community has reviewed aluminum in vaccines? They obviously have, yet they still concede hands down that vaccinations are the way to go. So why do you think you are smarter than all of them combined because you have google on your phone/internet??? You act like your cracking some huge conspiracy b/c you look up aluminum levels and mistakingly presume you know how to interpret what you are reading.

Also, your smugness is irritating. Is this your first child? I have to wonder if you child/children have ever had a cold or other sickness that you "catch" from germs? Because if so, then obviously you must concede your amazing cooking skills and capacity to use antibacterial cleaning products wasnt sufficient enough to stop them from getting a cold? Yet you are willing to bet that will stop them from getting polio, diptheria, whooping cough, etc etc?

Finally, is the basis of your stance that 1) vaccinations arent necessary b/c these diseases arent that bad nor common nor likely to reapear in our modern society; OR that 2) the vaccinations are dangerous?

Or is it a double conspiracy -- the diseases would never come back, and Big Pharma and the entire scientific community just have this crush on poisening children?

Where does the aluminum go in 10 years? 20 years? Well why dont you look at pretty much the entire population of people age 30-45. this was prior to the vaccination hysteria, when most people got vacinnated (as they today, but even moreso then) . Do you see any huge health epidemics? Are we all walking around with little pockets of aluminum in our left knee caps, just waiting to explode or go into neurotoxic shock?

You really seem out of touch with reality.

Where does the aluminum go in 10 years? 20 years? Well why dont you look at pretty much the entire population of people age 30-45. this was prior to the vaccination hysteria, when most people got vacinnated (as they today, but even moreso then) . Do you see any huge health epidemics? Are we all walking around with little pockets of aluminum in our left knee caps, just waiting to explode or go into neurotoxic shock?

brb gonna go get all the shots my daughter has missed. can i still get the vitamin k shot or is it too late for that? oh i guess ill get my dog vaccinated too while im out. gonna be a while.. dont wait up for me..

brb gonna go get all the shots my daughter has missed. can i still get the vitamin k shot or is it too late for that? oh i guess ill get my dog vaccinated too while im out. gonna be a while.. dont wait up for me..

dont see any long-term studies. are there even any long-term studies
done?i dont care what happens two weeks after injection or even a year
after. i want to know where that aluminum is in 10 years. 20 years. why
hasnt anybody done this? this should be the most researched iongredient
since its, you know, a heavy metal and neurotoxin [do you know what that
is?]

Well, with your way of thinking, then we shouldn't ingest anything with iron in it because, you know, that's a heavy metal... Our bodies need iron to work. In access, it becomes a toxin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2198876 <----This is not related to vaccines but it does show long term aluminum exposure. In paraphrase: Chronic exposure to aluminum and impaired kidney function are problem.

And I will say this again, if you wait for perfection, you are going to be waiting a long time.

~~Joycelynn

PS. I have to go to some of your other comments to address those because I cannot remember what they say at the moment.

Yeesh!

dont see any long-term studies. are there even any long-term studies
done?i dont care what happens two weeks after injection or even a year
after. i want to know where that aluminum is in 10 years. 20 years. why
hasnt anybody done this? this should be the most researched iongredient
since its, you know, a heavy metal and neurotoxin [do you know what that
is?]

Well, with your way of thinking, then we shouldn't ingest anything with iron in it because, you know, that's a heavy metal... Our bodies need iron to work. In access, it becomes a toxin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2198876 <----This is not related to vaccines but it does show long term aluminum exposure. In paraphrase: Chronic exposure to aluminum and impaired kidney function are problem.

And I will say this again, if you wait for perfection, you are going to be waiting a long time.

~~Joycelynn

PS. I have to go to some of your other comments to address those because I cannot remember what they say at the moment.

That's not why she or I said at all. The reason these diseases are still around and even vaccinated Children are getting them is because: unvaccinated populations still exist and the disease breeds and strengthens in these pools. So unvaccinated people are risking the general population. If EVERYONE (except the very small percentage with allergies) vaccinated, these diseases would be wiped out. They would have no where to breed. Herd immunity. If the herd doesn't immunize there is no herd immunity.

That's not why she or I said at all. The reason these diseases are still around and even vaccinated Children are getting them is because: unvaccinated populations still exist and the disease breeds and strengthens in these pools. So unvaccinated people are risking the general population. If EVERYONE (except the very small percentage with allergies) vaccinated, these diseases would be wiped out. They would have no where to breed. Herd immunity. If the herd doesn't immunize there is no herd immunity.

What I find interesting is that most of the anti-vaxxers on this thread are completely ignorant to what vaccines are and how they really work. It seems like they'd rather believe that the government is out to get us and turn us all into mindless robots right before killing us.

Tin foil hat, anyone?

Wow. I've missed a lot in this thread just by being gone a few hours.

What I find interesting is that most of the anti-vaxxers on this thread are completely ignorant to what vaccines are and how they really work. It seems like they'd rather believe that the government is out to get us and turn us all into mindless robots right before killing us.

"Most of the aluminum that enters the body is eliminatedquickly. Though all of the aluminum present in vaccines entersthe bloodstream, less than 1 percent of aluminum present in foodis absorbed through the intestines into the blood. Either way,most of the aluminum in the bloodstream is immediately boundby a protein called transferrin, which carries aluminum to thekidneys where it is eliminated from the body. About 50 percentof aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less than24 hours; 85 percent is eliminated in two weeks and 96 percentis eliminated in three years. The ability of the body to rapidlyeliminate aluminum accounts for its excellent record of safety".

"Most of the aluminum that enters the body is eliminatedquickly. Though all of the aluminum present in vaccines entersthe bloodstream, less than 1 percent of aluminum present in foodis absorbed through the intestines into the blood. Either way,most of the aluminum in the bloodstream is immediately boundby a protein called transferrin, which carries aluminum to thekidneys where it is eliminated from the body. About 50 percentof aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less than24 hours; 85 percent is eliminated in two weeks and 96 percentis eliminated in three years. The ability of the body to rapidlyeliminate aluminum accounts for its excellent record of safety".

"About 50 percentof aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less than24 hours; 85 percent is eliminated in two weeks and 96 percentis eliminated in three years."

Oh, but this clearly excludes all the aluminum in deodorant that will stay in our bodies forever and give us Alzheimers. It's true. I read it on the interwebs. On a blog. The interweb knows naught but truth.

"About 50 percentof aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less than24 hours; 85 percent is eliminated in two weeks and 96 percentis eliminated in three years."

Oh, but this clearly excludes all the aluminum in deodorant that will stay in our bodies forever and give us Alzheimers. It's true. I read it on the interwebs. On a blog. The interweb knows naught but truth.

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