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if Superman could beat Goku in any power match up...i'll say that im dreaming...totally...

A person who was given a chance to live again and again and again after protecting Earth is totally awesome and indestructible...And he really is immune to weaknesses unlike Superman who is susceptible to Kryptonite...

he have a kind heart, yes!!but it doen't mean that it will be a factor to his defeat...

sorry, Superman fans...but it's definitely GOKU....

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if Superman could beat Goku in any power match up...i'll say that im dreaming...totally...

A person who was given a chance to live again and again and again after protecting Earth is totally awesome and indestructible...And he really is immune to weaknesses unlike Superman who is susceptible to Kryptonite...

he have a kind heart, yes!!but it doen't mean that it will be a factor to his defeat...

sorry, Superman fans...but it's definitely GOKU....

I agree with this. Plus Goku just looks cooler as you can tell from the pictures above. But on a serious note, Superman has problems lifting cars at time, Goku lifts airplanes and crap.

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Actually, since I've seen a thread like this before, I will state that Pre-Crisis Superman had more than one weakness. One of them was powerful magic, and the other was heavy exposure to energy or radiation.

Goku needs to stay in one place for a Kamehameha, right? Superman could easily just move out of the way and wail on Goku.

Goku needs to eat a messload of food to get his strength back, Superman uses sunlight and can fly into space, skimming the sun for maximum exposure. He can only stay in space without a life preserver for half an hour. Goku would also die in space as well with enough time.

Goku could use the spirit bomb but:

-That has a good chance of missing
-Pre-Crisis Superman was able to survive a near ground zero blast from a nuclear warhead
-The S-Bomb takes time to charge, giving Superman enough time to once again, wail on Goku.

and lastly, would Goku honestly kill poor animals and/or people in a vain attempt to kill superman?

Since there is no Kryptonite around nor is there magic being used, Goku will have to rely on his Kamehameha and that has a good chance of missing as well.

Actually, since I've seen a thread like this before, I will state that Pre-Crisis Superman had more than one weakness. One of them was powerful magic, and the other was heavy exposure to energy or radiation.

Goku needs to stay in one place for a Kamehameha, right? Superman could easily just move out of the way and wail on Goku.

Goku needs to eat a messload of food to get his strength back, Superman uses sunlight and can fly into space, skimming the sun for maximum exposure. He can only stay in space without a life preserver for half an hour. Goku would also die in space as well with enough time.

Goku could use the spirit bomb but:

-That has a good chance of missing
-Pre-Crisis Superman was able to survive a near ground zero blast was a nuclear warhead
-The S-Bomb takes time to charge, giving Superman enough time to once again, wail on Goku.

and lastly, would Goku honestly kill poor animals and/or people in a vain attempt to kill superman?

Since there is no Kryptonite around nor is there magic being used, Goku will have to rely on his Kamehameha and that has a good chance of missing as well.

Kamehameha? Please.
Goku has many more abilities than that and the spirit bomb to fight with. You have to remember that Goku trained since he was 10 in hand to hand combat, and the Kamehameha and other energy techniques weren't really incorporated heavily until DBZ.

Even kid Goku from Dragon Ball with his puny Kamehameha would have been formitable against Superman.

Pre-Namek Goku (as he was when he first fought Vegeta) would probably be an even match for Superman.

Any form/version of Goku after Namek and discovering SSJ would just demolish Superman. However, Goku usually tends to hold back for the love of fighting and to put his opponent on an equal playing field. Or at least he started doing that towards the end of DBZ (which is stupid considering the stakes most of the time). He held back in the fight with Pikon, with Majin Vegeta, Majin Buu, Kid Buu, and Uub.

But let's be real about this. Knowing that Goku's power well over 9000, and that it is some great number over 1 million, and that he can pretty much destroy anything at any time if he really wanted to, and wouldn't need the help of Kryptonite to do it.

Now I know Crisis/Post-Crisis Superman was a bit OP. Blowing out stars, moving planets, and all that. Pretty much a God tier character. But even so, I think Goku could even beat that as SSJ2 or SSJ3.

Also, they'd have to be fighting somewhere that there was a yellow/orange sun for Superman to even have a chance of fighting. A blue or red sun leaves him powerless.

Kamehameha? Please.
Goku has many more abilities than that and the spirit bomb to fight with. You have to remember that Goku trained since he was 10 in hand to hand combat, and the Kamehameha and other energy techniques weren't really incorporated heavily until DBZ.

Even kid Goku from Dragon Ball with his puny Kamehameha would have been formitable against Superman.

Pre-Namek Goku (as he was when he first fought Vegeta) would probably be an even match for Superman.

Any form/version of Goku after Namek and discovering SSJ would just demolish Superman. However, Goku usually tends to hold back for the love of fighting and to put his opponent on an equal playing field. Or at least he started doing that towards the end of DBZ (which is stupid considering the stakes most of the time). He held back in the fight with Pikon, with Majin Vegeta, Majin Buu, Kid Buu, and Uub.

But let's be real about this. Knowing that Goku's power well over 9000, and that it is some great number over 1 million, and that he can pretty much destroy anything at any time if he really wanted to, and wouldn't need the help of Kryptonite to do it.

Now I know Crisis/Post-Crisis Superman was a bit OP. Blowing out stars, moving planets, and all that. Pretty much a God tier character. But even so, I think Goku could even beat that as SSJ2 or SSJ3.

Also, they'd have to be fighting somewhere that there was a yellow/orange sun for Superman to even have a chance of fighting. A blue or red sun leaves him powerless.

People, start figuring out the rest and then debate before posting on impulse. I'm ending my participation in this thread as I almost got infracted on another forum for flaming. There was a 3-page flame war, I believe and I almost got sucked into it. Threads like these almost got me in trouble. XD

Time of day is irrelevant for Superman so far as the sun thing goes. There just has to be one in the solar system. So long as he's been exposed to it and not a red one since. Location is the factor, planetary wise. Goku could go to Krypton or New Krypton and beat Superman to hell because those planets have red suns.

Goku has normal weaknesses. You just have to be stronger than him to hurt him.

Did any of you read through the earlier three pages of posts where three of us battled it out and raised good points? You're starting to repeat a lot of stuff that was either already covered or supported or destroyed.

Originally Posted by Zenni-Kun

superman would only win because he has heat vision, thats it, if he didnt goku would totally ram superman into th' ground!

Piccolo's got lasers coming from his eyes! Piccolo! Goku easily wins over Piccolo! The issue in such a case is not a special technique, but its power and usefulness. Try again.
I strongly urge you to read the earlier posts before bringing up "new" ideas.

Holy crap, post-Crisis Supes was made of harder stuff than even I thought. Plus, you know, with actual comic page evidence, I may have to stop leaning off the fence on Supe's side and just fall in.

Oh and *!, by "reaction time" I meant the time for him to successfully identify and properly react to a given something, something akin to the time it takes a gunfighter to draw and fire a gun accurately on randomly appearing targets. If you thought by "react" I meant he'd be able to go "OH CRAP" and flinch, that is not what I meant. If you have a better term for it than reaction time, please share it with me.

Why is this relevant? Well aside from the evidence posted after the fact, I was already saying that in hand-to-hand combat they're probably about even in terms of strength and durability(though given the evidence quoted above OH HO HO I take that part back), so it comes down to how fast one's hands are, so to speak, and since he can't IT punches that's out of this part of the argument.

However, to be 100% honest with you all, it is very literally impossible to properly gauge how this fight would go, and this is the case with some but not all other vs. scenarios. You see, the argument that the two would never fight each other can't simply be dispelled by saying "BUT WHAT IF THEY DID?!" In order to properly and logically deduce who would win, we'd have to do so with both participants in character. Which we can't, because as stated before, THEY WOULD NOT FIGHT EACH OTHER FOR ANY SERIOUS LENGTH OF TIME, ESPECIALLY NOT TO THE DEATH. Goku only kills those that are evil, which Superman isn't, and Superman is loath to do even that. The best we could hope for would be a fight where both people held back, Goku in order to take measure of Superman and Superman in order to not accidentally kill Goku(I am speaking of their respective intent, not their respective power differences). After a bit of this, there'd likely be a break in combat where Goku tells him to use his full power, Superman realizes he's fighting for fun and isn't an actual threat, and flies away. Goku, who won't just randomly harm innocents to provoke Supes(and yes, that would be the only way), would probably just pester him for the rest of eternity.

Goku, he'd teleport Superman to a planet that doesn't have a yellow sun(which makes superman powerless). Beat the hell out of him to submission, then teleport him back cause Goku doesnt kill good guys.

Goku, he'd teleport Superman to a planet that doesn't have a yellow sun(which makes superman powerless). Beat the hell out of him to submission, then teleport him back cause Goku doesnt kill good guys.

Ah, but how would he KNOW about that weakness of his, and does he know of a planet with a red sun? All the suns I've ever seen have been yellow or white in the DB universe.

Aside from that, no Goku wouldn't. He'd want to fight and beat Superman at his strongest if he beat him at all.

This is truth, here. In addition, how do we know how far instant transmission will allow Goku to go in terms of distance?

If I know right, I don't think its 100% based on distance. I believe Goku needs to be able to sense a power level of someone or something to be able to transport there - well in long distance anyways. If the power level is to low or far away, then he won't be able to go there.

If I know right, I don't think its 100% based on distance. I believe Goku needs to be able to sense a power level of someone or something to be able to transport there - well in long distance anyways. If the power level is to low or far away, then he won't be able to go there.

DB didn't have power levels based off of numbers so the possibility that Superman's "Power Level" is higher than Goku's is 33.3%. The same can be said for lower than Goku's "Power Level" and equivalence in "Power Levels". They all have a 33.3% chance.