Thank you for all of your replies. These were the sort of responses that I expected to get on this forum. Keep in mind that I posted this message becuase I am an advocate of the Blackberry and have been since ~2002, but I am only conveying what I see happening right in front of my face.

While security is most important in a corporate environment, most people don't care about that.

When was the last time you had someone come up to you and say, I really love my Blackberry becuase it's so secure and the encryption on it rocks! I am going to guess never.

Therefore, the point is that Blackberry can still continue to make a great business product, but also needs to needs to offer a device that HAS IT ALL. In the end, it's the consumer that drives the market. Smart phones aren't just for business anymore.

Mark my words, if Blackberry doesn't compete head to head with the iPhone "Now", they are going to loose and you will get to put your Blackberry's in the drawer next to your Palm Pilot.

It doesn't matter how secure the Blackberry is, how much better it works with Outlook . Exchange, or how much easier it is to support in a corporate environment. It's all about THE COOLNESS FACTOR and MULTIMEDIA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mondinga

While security is most important in a corporate environment, most people don't care about that.

Now, which one is it?

__________________The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.When you take things for granted, the things you are granted, get taken. Even a mosquito doesn't get a pat on the back until it starts to work.Too many people miss the silver lining because they're expecting gold.[BES 5.0.3 / GroupWise 2012 HP2]

When was the last time you had someone come up to you and say, I really love my Blackberry becuase it's so secure and the encryption on it rocks! I am going to guess never.

Umm... the day I gave one my husband, who -- as a trial attorney who by necessity keeps client information on his phone -- has an above-average need for data security?

You're making it sound like your phone needs are everyone's phone needs, and that pop culture's opinion about what is cool is the only opinion. The closer we get to living in The Cloud, the more important things like security and encryption are going to become. Those people who are only interested in the "shock and awe" factor of a device are going to find that out the hard way.

Security may not be sexy, but it's a hell of a lot sexier than identity theft.

Those people who are only interested in the "shock and awe" factor of a device are going to find that out the hard way.

Security may not be sexy, but it's a hell of a lot sexier than identity theft.

Well said! Look at Paris Hilton when she had the Sidekick or whatever it was that got hacked. What did she move to? A BlackBerry. Do you think security had anything to do with that decision?

__________________The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.When you take things for granted, the things you are granted, get taken. Even a mosquito doesn't get a pat on the back until it starts to work.Too many people miss the silver lining because they're expecting gold.[BES 5.0.3 / GroupWise 2012 HP2]

Thank you for all of your replies. These were the sort of responses that I expected to get on this forum.

It really doesn't take significant intelligence to realize that, generally speaking, the members of a BlackBerry support forum are going to support their devices of choice. As a result, this comment makes you look decidedly un-intelligent.

Quote:

Keep in mind that I posted this message becuase I am an advocate of the Blackberry and have been since ~2002, but I am only conveying what I see happening right in front of my face.

Right in front of your face? What an odd way of saying "I don't know what I'm talking about."

Quote:

While security is most important in a corporate environment, most people don't care about that.

Please define "most people." But before you do, please take a look at RIM's product sales. I'm going to guess that you define "most people" as teenagers that think cell phones are cool, that their phones provide social status, and that still mooch off their parents. Considering BlackBerries are primarily designed for corporate environments, I'm willing to bet that "most people" are the types that actually do care about the information stored on their devices.

Not withstanding the 500 BlackBerry users in your "company" that so desperately need to get an iPhone so that they can finally be cool.

Quote:

When was the last time you had someone come up to you and say, I really love my Blackberry becuase it's so secure and the encryption on it rocks! I am going to guess never.

You're right. Never. But I believe that has more to do with the people I spend time with aren't completely boring or pathetic and less to do with not caring about security. Look at it this way... why talk about security of a BlackBerry device when you know it's there, it works, and there are more important things to talk about?

Quote:

Therefore, the point is that Blackberry can still continue to make a great business product, but also needs to needs to offer a device that HAS IT ALL. In the end, it's the consumer that drives the market. Smart phones aren't just for business anymore.

First, why must RIM (the name of the manufacturer, by the way) make a device that does it all? I really don't care if you want an iPhone, a Nexus One, or a BlackBerry. I doubt very seriously that RIM cares about you either. Their sales are fine because their products fill a specific need. They don't need to do it all. I would rather RIM continue to make the devices they make than cater to you.

Quote:

Mark my words, if Blackberry doesn't compete head to head with the iPhone "Now", they are going to loose and you will get to put your Blackberry's in the drawer next to your Palm Pilot.

Why would I mark your words? I have no respect for you or your opinion. You mentioned that your opinion is highly valued at your "company." I find that depressing, because that means your "company" is staffed by morons. It's a scary world when there are people that look up to you for your opinion.

No. How about you mark my words: go away.

__________________
Ian

Semper Fi 3/2/2"Wow" is now overused. Therefore, I will use "Magic bananas" instead.

Why would I mark your words? I have no respect for you or your opinion. You mentioned that your opinion is highly valued at your "company." I find that depressing, because that means your "company" is staffed by morons. It's a scary world when there are people that look up to you for your opinion.

Thank you for all of your replies. These were the sort of responses that I expected to get on this forum. Keep in mind that I posted this message becuase I am an advocate of the Blackberry and have been since ~2002, but I am only conveying what I see happening right in front of my face.

While security is most important in a corporate environment, most people don't care about that.

When was the last time you had someone come up to you and say, I really love my Blackberry becuase it's so secure and the encryption on it rocks! I am going to guess never.

Therefore, the point is that Blackberry can still continue to make a great business product, but also needs to needs to offer a device that HAS IT ALL. In the end, it's the consumer that drives the market. Smart phones aren't just for business anymore.

Mark my words, if Blackberry doesn't compete head to head with the iPhone "Now", they are going to loose and you will get to put your Blackberry's in the drawer next to your Palm Pilot.

Your struggle to formulate coherent thoughts that sound intelligent and knowledgeable are simply having the reverse effect. It's somewhat amusing, and personally I hope you continue trying to make your point.

Well said! Look at Paris Hilton when she had the Sidekick or whatever it was that got hacked. What did she move to? A BlackBerry. Do you think security had anything to do with that decision?

I really doubt security had anything to do with it. She was either given it for free in a celeb goody bag, or got one because it was the "in" device for someone in the spotlight. Paris probably can't even spell security, more or less know anything about it.

I really doubt security had anything to do with it. She was either given it for free in a celeb goody bag, or got one because it was the "in" device for someone in the spotlight. Paris probably can't even spell security, more or less know anything about it.

I agree with you about her not knowing, but I am sure her agent probably does and he/she probably made the suggestion to a more secure device.

__________________The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.When you take things for granted, the things you are granted, get taken. Even a mosquito doesn't get a pat on the back until it starts to work.Too many people miss the silver lining because they're expecting gold.[BES 5.0.3 / GroupWise 2012 HP2]