Hernandez was involved in domestic disturbance last year

Posted by Mike Florio on July 2, 2013, 12:21 PM EDT

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The feeding frenzy to find any bad or boorish thing Aaron Hernandez ever may have done or allegedly did continues.

The latest comes from TMZ, which reports that police responded to a domestic disturbance involving Hernandez and his then-pregnant fiancée, Shayanna Jenkins, in June 2012. The incident happened while Hernandez was renting an apartment in Hermosa Beach, California.

A neighbor called police to report “fighting” between the couple. When police arrived, Jenkins said she didn’t want to press charges, so no arrest was made. A law-enforcement source tells TMZ that Hernandez “acted like an asshole.”

Police reportedly showed up at the apartment multiple other times, after neighbors complained about noise.

Again, there’s no bright, dotted, or squiggly line between these types of incidents and premeditated murder. Like the six-year-old situation from Gainesville that the Wall Street Journal uncovered Monday, it’s hard not to wonder how many other pro athletes have had similar experiences that were and remain unknown and unreported.

I think there are a lot more ugly things going on in the lives of these NFLers than anybody can truly realize or appreciate. That’s part of the reason why this is more of a thinking man’s game than any other sport. Every bust and every failure is still a choice that the respective GM made for that team, and they didn’t have to pick these guys, they could have evaluated other players as better options, such as I did in this Hernandez case.

If I can figure out when to move on from Hernandez from my couch, then an NFL team should be able to figure out how to not f*ck it up as well.

And there as a clear obvious separation time inbetween his first contract and his last. It’s ok to gamble on him as a 4th if you can develop him and turn his logic circuits on which clearly were off to anybody that talked to this guy before the draft. This is the fault of the Patriots SOLELY. AH is at fault for his individual errors, but the team is at fault for choosing to invest so much into him when he was not a good bet.

“…it’s hard not to wonder how many other pro athletes have had similar experiences that were and remain unknown and unreported.”

I may speak for myself, but I do not want to know every time an athlete gets into a fight with his/her spouse or significant other, runs a stop light, etc. To be honest, I don’t think it’s any of our (or the media’s) business.

There may not be a direct connection but he has escalated from underage drinking to fighting to failed drug tests to domestic disturbance to shooting someone in the face… Keep that upward trend going and eventually you end up at murder.

If there is a connecting theme between all his prior incidents it is that he seems to have gotten away with everything. Maybe that sense of entitlement was already there, but you have to wonder if maybe in one of these prior incidents he actually had to face some type of consequence, that could have served as an obvious needed wake-up call long before he decided it would be a good idea to shoot people. These colleges and pro team and coaches who think it is the best idea to cover everything up and keep everything quiet, maybe need to get some perspective and realize you likely are not doing anyone any favors when you repeatedly turn the other cheek. You don’t want to see someone’s education, career, life be ruined over something dumb as a teenager, but when the incidents keep happening, suddenly it should matter much more than wins and losses.

It’s not that domestic violence allegations naturally lead to murder. It’s not that trying to buy drinks when you are underage and then hitting an employee hard enough to damage their eardrum form an inevitable path to murder. It’s not that shooting somebody in the face means you committed murder (although let’s face it–that is getting closer). It’s not that a series of problems in college and in the pros mean that you killed somebody. But at some point the pattern of behavior starts to make a pretty compelling loud argument. At some point you can’t pretend that every situation is isolated and has absolutely nothing to do with other incidents–real or alleged. If nothing else, let’s at least be real on this site.

The negative stories keep rolling in and rolling in…like waves. Like most of the rich and famous, he surrounded himself with a crowd of “YES MEN!” Somebody should have stepped in intervened. You never know….

also, of course there are going to be incidents in his past. It is extremely rare that someone’s first crime is murder. These past incidents may show signs into the person he was, but at the end of the day, no one could have predicted that a professional athlete being paid millions of dollars with a long career ahead of him would act the way he has acted. It is really unprecedented.

bucrightoff
Charles Barkley had it figured all the way back in 1993. Athletes are not role models and should never be considered such.

No, Charles Barkley didn’t get it. Perhaps athletes shouldn’t be role models but they are. If you make millions and you are in the public eye, you ARE a role model. People don’t get to pick whether or not they are a role model. The only thing they get to decide is whether they want to be a good one or not.

I think there are a lot more ugly things going on in the lives of these NFLers than anybody can truly realize or appreciate. That’s part of the reason why this is more of a thinking man’s game than any other sport. Every bust and every failure is still a choice that the respective GM made for that team, and they didn’t have to pick these guys, they could have evaluated other players as better options, such as I did in this Hernandez case.

If I can figure out when to move on from Hernandez from my couch, then an NFL team should be able to figure out how to not f*ck it up as well.

And there as a clear obvious separation time inbetween his first contract and his last. It’s ok to gamble on him as a 4th if you can develop him and turn his logic circuits on which clearly were off to anybody that talked to this guy before the draft. This is the fault of the Patriots SOLELY. AH is at fault for his individual errors, but the team is at fault for choosing to invest so much into him when he was not a good bet.
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Delusional. But at least you’re funny, too.

Let the excuse making begin. Bottom line is this guy is a bad guy and most people knew it. What you do in the dark (or when cameras arnt watching) ,comes back in the light. It’s called Karma. And unfortunately something tells me , this is just the beginning.

And I was round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a generals rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Gotta wonder if the NFL tried to get him a therapist…not that he would ever even think about accepting help. It is unfortunate that the stigma behind mental issues could be what keeps a man from seeking help. Men are taught to stay strong and never show weakness which is exactly what we see Hernandez doing right now. For him to show no emotion with what is going on right now is probably a defense mechanism that he has spent years and years improving. Maybe if he thought it was not a weakness to cry or seek help, he would not be in his position. Regardless of the perception that seeking help may have looked, he obviously has to live with his choices and that is no one elses fault. Still, our society can and should do more to let people know that mental illness is like other illnesses…it just might have a different treatment program.

No, Charles Barkley didn’t get it. Perhaps athletes shouldn’t be role models but they are. If you make millions and you are in the public eye, you ARE a role model. People don’t get to pick whether or not they are a role model. The only thing they get to decide is whether they want to be a good one or not.

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So porn stars are role models? They make millions and are in the public eye? Are politicians role models? Again, millions, in the public eye.

The people in this country who get paid horribly and often have bad working conditions, you know, teachers, cops, etc…are much bigger role models than people who make a lot of money.

I think that all of these “incidents” even though they are not immediate red flags of a serial killer, they show a pattern of aggressive, ill-tempered and violent behavior. This case will be built around 2 things. First and foremost the circumstantial evidence that piled up to the gills to get him arrested of murder 1. Second, as they said in Seinfeld, this case will be about character. Although 24 years old is young, so far we have events going back to when he was 17, or more than a quarter of this guys life. Its hard to paint someone innocent and show resonable doubt when the past 7 years are a constant progression of violent behavior.

Shayanna needs to evaluate behavior she has chosen to accept and what it says about her as a woman:

A partner who hangs w/ questionable characters
A partner who routinely socializes into the early morning hours without her
A partner who routinely visits strip clubs
A partner who routinely argues with her to the point where it sounds like it is getting physical
A partner who has gotten into serious altercations to the point where the police have been involved
A partner who does not appear to be a responsible gun owner
A partner who has shot someone in the face

This woman has SERIOUS self-respect issues. She needs to break the cycle now for the sake of her daughter.

At this point, he’s suspected of being involved in multiple murders, so reporting every single incident isn’t going to shed much light on his suspected character. Let’s let the legal process play out and not worry about lesser incidents that are irrelevant to his future as a citizen and athlete.

I’m not shocked at what has happened in the past to Hernandez, what i am shocked about is how quiet the secrets were kept by the Patriots. No wonder they let him go so quickly. They KNEW that he had serious issues.

It is always funny to hear people rationalize things about what is going on today.

When I was young, it was universal just about that:

1. You did not swear around kids;
2. You never laid a hand on a woman
3. You told the truth even if it hurt
4. You didn’t steal
5. You kept your word
6. You brought your kids up properly
7. You respected others including the elderly
8. In our neighborhood, heavily mixed, everybody was just there getting along. No race talk.
9. Church was on Sunday

Now, the government tells you that religion is wrong. Ha, ha, ha. Wake up people. Do a little root cause analysis. Smell the coffee because the walls are tumbling and you ain’t gonna like this new world that is being put in place.

bigperm33 says:
Jul 2, 2013 12:35 PM
If there is a connecting theme between all his prior incidents it is that he seems to have gotten away with everything. Maybe that sense of entitlement was already there, but you have to wonder if maybe in one of these prior incidents he actually had to face some type of consequence, that could have served as an obvious needed wake-up call long before he decided it would be a good idea to shoot people. These colleges and pro team and coaches who think it is the best idea to cover everything up and keep everything quiet, maybe need to get some perspective and realize you likely are not doing anyone any favors when you repeatedly turn the other cheek. You don’t want to see someone’s education, career, life be ruined over something dumb as a teenager, but when the incidents keep happening, suddenly it should matter much more than wins and losses.
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That is spot on. Except, the coaches/schools only react to what the fans want. It is like a corporate mentality of doing ANYTHING to turn a profit to keep the stockholders happy…they will do ANYTHING to be successful and keep the fans happy. I lived in Gainesville for three years (not a student). There is nothing else to those people but Gator football – and they will gladly look the other way if they win. If you’ve never lived in SEC country, you cannot appreciate how backwards it is. As insufferable as they are as fans, they point to other SEC schools as being even worse (“You think we’re bad, you should see ‘Bama fans.”).
The fans have created this “winning is the only thing” culture and it isn’t going anywhere. It looks good on a t-shirt or bumper sticker, but it is not a measure of one’s character. Giving everything you have to win is one thing…doing anything you can is another. There are too many fans who want college athletes paid (meaning a salary in addition to what they are already paid); who think Goodell is ruining the game because he is trying to make it safer. I think these people would protest Tanya Harding tactics, but would implement them in a heartbeat if they were in the same situation.

We just need a story that he abused animals and the serial killer circle will be complete.

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LOL… No, we just need someone to say he killed a dog, and then NOBODY will be opining that he is “innocent until proven guilty” anymore. Then, the whole world will vilify him like they did Vick, because we all know that would make him a REAL criminal…

If you try to digg dirt on anybody you will find it, putting all these things if his past in the media isn’t going to allow his jury to make a decision based on the crime he’s accused of but just by the character he’s been made to be by the media, I think just innocent until convicted media loves to beef things up to get headlines

bucrightoff
Yes, politicians are role models. It doesn’t make them good ones, but they do teach adults and young people what it’s like to be in this country. A good politician is a role model and so is a bad one. You’re getting confused about the difference between “good role model” and simply “role model.” A role model is anyone who teaches you through their behaviors and statements what it means to be a part of this society. Parents are incredibly powerful role models. Everyday, their children learn what it means to be a parent in this culture. That doesn’t mean they are necessarily good ones. (I left out “porn star” even though you included it because most children probably don’t get to see porn stars. A few do but not so many.) You see, if I think I get to choose whether or not I am a role model for millions of people, it doesn’t work. Why? Nobody would be paying attention to me on a large scale. I am a role model for my kids (sometimes good and sometimes bad), but not I am not a role model for millions of people. A combinations of circumstances, money, talents that are in demand, positions you take, and the jobs you select are what make people role models for millions–not the choice about whether they want to be one or not.

We just need a story that he abused animals and the serial killer circle will be complete.

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LOL… No, we just need someone to say he killed a dog, and then NOBODY will be opining that he is “innocent until proven guilty” anymore. Then, the whole world will vilify him like they did Vick, because we all know that would make him a REAL criminal…
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Brilliant!

It is a fact that water seeks it’s own level. We don’t know anything about this chick at this point , so she’s fair game for speculation. Just the fact that she is with this dude says a lot about her character. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out she is an ex stripper or hooker. They certainly didn’t meet at a church picnic.

Well I don’t know if you are judging me fairly and adequately to state I’m delusional, but I’m happy for you that you at least enjoy my pedantic attempts at humor! It’s not for everybody.

Keep tuning back for my posts for your giggling pleasure and hopefully that will help you deal with the pain of watching more Belichick gaffes on the sidelines this year. I caught him making a lot last season.

The only problem I have here on this news is that a neighbor “heard” and called about a fight where no one claimed any physical abuse. Therefore, it could have been just a verbal fight and nothing more. We’ve ALL had these at one point of our life.

This has to be tough for both family’s the Lloyds and the Hernandez family. I truly feel sorry.

The Lloyd family seems like they lost a great father and a good all around person who didn’t deserve such an awful/brutal death. Leaving his son to take care of his mother for a long time. ( I hate you AH for this )

And the Hernandez family his mother must be thinking about what went wrong and she must be shouldering a lot of blame for this. Hernandez’s daughter as well. This is gonna be a tough thing for his kid to go through as she grows up and finds out probably from some school kid.

Also, I’m pretty concerned about the players within the league. I would bet $100 that there are 100 other current players that are running amuck – maybe not killing people, but operating drug rings, domestic disputes, etc. Money makes people think they are above the law and WHO rides with that notion the most? NFL players.

H-o-w did the Patriots miss all the pre-existing stuff about Hernandez when/before they decided to extend his contract?

If I were a GM of an NFL team I’d run an arrest scan in all 50 States for somebody I was going to sign just before the contract was to be inked. And I’d want to have on file the registrations for all firearms owned by a signed player, and his driving license, so all could be kept current. After they were first warned, any player caught with an unregistered firearm would be traded or cut no matter who they were. that should clean up things a little.

Call me crazy but it appears as though Bills v. Dolphins is returning. Brady is getting old, AH will never play another down, and gronk is screwed with his bad back. Oh and welker is gone. Need I say more???? Oh yea the stars are aligning for bills fans!!

Shortly before the 2010 NFL Draft, a scouting service that prepares confidential psychological profiles of players for NFL teams found that Aaron Hernandez enjoyed “living on the edge of acceptable behavior” and cautioned that he could become “a problem” for his team.
On one personality test, Hernandez, who was arrested last week on murder and weapons charges, received the lowest possible score, 1 out of 10, in the category of “social maturity.”
The evaluation, which was done before the New England Patriots selected Hernandez in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, was produced by a North Carolina scouting service called Human Resource Tactics.
The one-page form, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, includes scores Hernandez received on several tests routinely administered to NFL draft prospects. The results of these tests are kept confidential.
The Patriots declined to comment on whether they had seen the report before drafting Hernandez. Hernandez’s attorney, Michael Fee, didn’t return messages seeking comment.