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So i just finished watching this....and wow!!
This has to be the bloodiest/goryest and violent anime i have seen thus far, probably because im more into mecha stuff.
But peoples legs,arms,heads getting chopped off... this is just crazy shit!!

Overall, this was something very different to watch for a change i suppose. i think thats Lucy character should of died, she was way to dangerous. Kouta should of taken revenge for his sister/dad in my opinion, i mean camon your family got slaughter/murdered...but oh well.

i think thats Lucy character should of died, she was way to dangerous. Kouta should of taken revenge for his sister/dad in my opinion, i mean camon your family got slaughter/murdered...but oh well.

Spoiler for Actually...:

As I understand, in the manga he DOES take a much harsher stance, although he loves Lucy, he cannot forgive her for what was done, and is the one who eventually kills her to prevent the 3rd personality from taking over; the third personality basically being her raw instinct, which in the anime could be taken to be the murderous bandaged being in her head, with all humanity stripped clean away. Kind of a bittersweet ending in the anime really, Nana showed that despite instinct, a diclonius COULD control instinct if given the right motivations and upbringing.
Ironically it was Kouta's lie intended to prevent her from being hurt/getting jealous, which actually pushed her over the edge, as she fell in love with him and yet felt like even he had betrayed her, finally allowing the instinctual malicious side of her being to almost completely take over, and giving up on the majority of her humanity, forming the midway personality; Lucy. I call Lucy midway, as although she is obviously remorseless to the vast degree, there are several signs she is not COMPLETELY gone in this personality incarnation, just any levels of kindness, compassion etc are massively suppressed, but enough remains she has some recognition/awareness, for example she manages to force her own suppression below the Nyuu personality when she realises she might hurt Kouta.

The end of the anime is pretty debateable as to what actually happens exactly, some people believe the shadow is Nyuu, others Lucy, others believe it is an amalgam of the two merged back together, basically a complete person again, whilst others believe its someone completely different, infact we dont even know if Lucy/Nyuu/Kaede (I believe the manga shows this is her real name) is even still alive, as IIRC the last you see of her is her remaining horn getting shot off.

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As I understand, in the manga he DOES take a much harsher stance, although he loves Lucy, he cannot forgive her for what was done, and is the one who eventually kills her to prevent the 3rd personality from taking over; the third personality basically being her raw instinct, which in the anime could be taken to be the murderous bandaged being in her head, with all humanity stripped clean away. Kind of a bittersweet ending in the anime really, Nana showed that despite instinct, a diclonius COULD control instinct if given the right motivations and upbringing.
Ironically it was Kouta's lie intended to prevent her from being hurt/getting jealous, which actually pushed her over the edge, as she fell in love with him and yet felt like even he had betrayed her, finally allowing the instinctual malicious side of her being to almost completely take over, and giving up on the majority of her humanity, forming the midway personality; Lucy. I call Lucy midway, as although she is obviously remorseless to the vast degree, there are several signs she is not COMPLETELY gone in this personality incarnation, just any levels of kindness, compassion etc are massively suppressed, but enough remains she has some recognition/awareness, for example she manages to force her own suppression below the Nyuu personality when she realizes she might hurt Kouta.

The end of the anime is pretty debateable as to what actually happens exactly, some people believe the shadow is Nyuu, others Lucy, others believe it is an amalgam of the two merged back together, basically a complete person again, whilst others believe its someone completely different, infact we dont even know if Lucy/Nyuu/Kaede (I believe the manga shows this is her real name) is even still alive, as IIRC the last you see of her is her remaining horn getting shot off.

In the manga

Spoiler:

He tells her that he can never forgive her. That he hates her. But, as she starts to walk away, he pulls her back to him, embraces her, and tells her that if she promises not to use her powers to hurt people, that he would like her to come back to the Maple Inn and live. It doesn't really look like he hates her. After the tragic events that follow, after Kouta takes a bullet meant for her and she thinks that he died and then destroys her body protecting him, when the third personality takes over her dieing body and attacks Kouta both she and Nyuu appear in front of Kouta to protect everyone, but he is the only one who can see them. They ask him to kill their body, and when he hesitates Lucy takes him into her inner world. Their relationship is reset and they are children again, setting on a boulder next to the ocean. He tells her that he doesn't want to kill her because then he will never see her again. She promises that he can see her again. She asks him if he remembers the clearing where they used to meet to play (her dog's grave) and he says yes. She tells him that on the last day of the summer festival she will be waiting there. That she will wait for him forever. She then promises that if she is reincarnated that she will be a good girl and says that it would be nice if she could be by Kouta's side again. But, even with the fading Lucy and Nyuu telling him to shoot or he would die, he could not pull the trigger. But, in the end, the personality in control of Lucy's body, while moaning "pain, pain" handed him the gun and he ended her suffering. Shortly after he got out of the hospital they announced a vaccine, so there would be no more Vector Virus diclonius. After that, every year on the last day of the summer festival he would go to Lucy's dog's grave and wait. On the 10th year he took his daughter Nyuu and told her about his special friend and that is where they would always meet. Then she tells him that is where she meets her friends and that they are twins. She noticed a jar partially buried next to the dog's grave and when Kouta opened it he found a note that child Lucy had left before she went to see him at the festival. It was basically a confession and it was signed Kaede. He reads it and breaks down crying. Then her, apparently diclonius, friends, one of them named Kaede, come to keep an old promise and see their special friend again. And it looks like Kaede, knowing that Kouta doesn't hate her and has forgiven her is on the verge of tears, and biting her lip to keep from crying.

Is the manga ending better than the anime ending, i have heard the series finished befor the anime!And if so what happens (as im not going to read it anyway!)

Spoiler for WHAT HAPPENS IN THE END OF THE MANGA:

Lucy thinks she is Tetsuo, grows a third evil personality and goes to destroy the world but Kouta's words make her two other personalities to fight back and kill her, while turning her body to goo. A few years later Kouta and his daughter (probably the mother is his cousin) stare at Lucy's grave and find behind them two dicloni twins, each being one of Lucy's personas reincarnated.

Plus most characters shown dead remain alive for no reason other than otaku catering.

Lucy thinks she is Tetsuo, grows a third evil personality and goes to destroy the world but Kouta's words make her two other personalities to fight back and kill her, while turning her body to goo. A few years later Kouta and his daughter (probably the mother is his cousin) stare at Lucy's grave and find behind them two dicloni twins, each being one of Lucy's personas reincarnated.

Plus most characters shown dead remain alive for no reason other than otaku catering.

I find all that BS.

You have some very incorrect info. You obviously never read the manga and are going on bits and pieces that other people, who probably haven't read the manga, have written.

Spoiler for manga:

When Lucy became highly emotional like when Kouta was shot and she thought he died, her powers became godlike. Vectors with unlimited range and things exploding when they touched. But this was supported by her very human body. The drain on her body caused it to start falling apart. By the time she realized it she was in a situation where she could abandon Kouta, flee, and live or stay and protect Kouta and die. She chose to protect Kouta. At that time the third personality, the personality that was the voice always telling her to kill, was trying to take over to make her flee, but she had let go of her hatred and her heart was filled with her love for Kouta. There was no doubt that the third personality could exploit. After she had defeated the planes and missiles she let Nyuu take over her dieing body to say her goodbyes to Kouta. It wasn't until the soldiers came for her and threatened to shoot Kouta as a traitor that there was doubt in Nyuu's heart that allowed the third personality to take over. And the Lucy and Nyuu that appeared to Kouta couldn't fight the third personality. All they could do was keep the vectors away from Kouta, Yuka, and the other girls from the Inn. That is why they asked Kouta to keep the promise he made on the bus and kill their body. As for the characters remaining alive, that was not in the original magazine chapter, it was, unfortunately, added by the author for the manga publication. Everyone hoped that the "expanded" manga ending would have more on the twins. Instead characters that should have been left dead were resurrected.

So I don't know how far behind I am on this thread because I'm new but I think I can explain the ending.

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There is a lot of symbolizm in this series. Keep in mind that Lucy was always facinated by the music box and Nyu was always obsessed with fixing the clock.

So everyone knows that at the end of episode 13 kota sees a figure behind the door and at that very moment the music box stops and the clock begins to work. This symbolizes the end of Lucy and the begining of Nyu. The music box was always a symbol of Lucy's regret and hatred while the clock was Nyu's humanity that she was franticaly trying to piece together again. So I believe that it is Nyu behind the door but with all the memories of both of them. To support my point Nana wasn't able to detect the presence of Lucy.

Yep, I did like it, it was a few years ago I watched it now, and I'd still put it up there amongst the better series I've seen.
I also dont particularly disagree with your line of thought, I also think that was Lucy/Nyu (Kaede) behind the door, however it was left ambiguous as with many other things, because animation studios like that sort of ending, and it left room for a sequel.

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I would say the odds of a sequel are rather low. I say this because 1) the studio will have to find a way around the ending of the first season (and I'm sure someone here will offer a way) and 2) based on what happens in the manga after the anime ends, I don't think any studio would want to go the direction the manga takes. But who knows, I've been surprised before.

Plus its been a few years now, if they were going to go down the sequal route, I think it already have happened (its not like Elfen Lied has the popularity of Full Metal Panic or Haruhi to back it up). Elfen Lied is probably just going to stay a bit of a cult favourite.
Not that thats a bad thing, as its easy to hurt the memory of a series if a cash-in follow up is released.

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But anyways I picked up on Elfen about a month ago and loved every minute of it. The artwork, characters, and story were all wonderful and I loved how the author looked at the negativity of human nature. I am glad I managed to run into this anime it easily my 1st pick for all the anime series I have seen.

I'v seen my share of anime and when I saw Elfen it instantly hit the top of my list. God I just love this anime. XD Now that i think about it,, it would ruin the whole feeling of the show if they made a sequel. Now for some breakfast.