I can dig that, but Tau seem to be a little bit more sinister to me due to the mystery of their creation and all that warp shroud.

At least lizardmen were straight up Old Ones creations with outlined purposes of ordering the world and stopping chaos. Even though most lizardmen don't think about the greater good, they serve it with more wholeheartedness than Tau do IMO.

Large lower class caste, all powerful upper class caste, not afraid of magic (psykers) but not exceedingly welcoming of it either unless it plays by the rules they understand, a thread to the Empire/Imperium, and most of all being manipulated by Wood Elves/Exodite Eldar into being the meat shields they need against Chaos and Humans coupled with strategies reminiscent of them (lorewise, not fluffwise).

I live in Houston, and there used to be one Fantasy dominated GW and one FLGS that played a lot of fantasy. The other GW is dead to me now because of "APOCALYPSE APOCALYPSE 40K MINI TOURNEY ALL DEY ERRY DAY" that the store events pushed that totally killed the fantasy crowd, and the other store just closed.

>>25996503>Large lower class caste, all powerful upper class casteThats not the tau at all. The tau are much closer to the Lizardmen setup where all castes are considered equal, but they all defer equally to Slann/Ethereals who who utilize the strengths of each individual caste to create a more powerful whole.

>>25996503Bretonnians are Sisters of Battle. Both carry equipment with the Fleur de Lys motif, both are heavily armoured and go to battle supported by hordes of ragged peasants, both get 6++ saves from their respective gods, both have living saints, both carry around relics of dead saints.

>>25996662Empire has two main gods, Sigmar and Morr. Both are mortals who ascended to godhood (think Talos in TES).

Everything in the Empire is covered in golden hammer emblems for Sigmar, or skulls for Morr. Also the Bretonnian city of Mousillion is essentially New Orleans, a giant swamp/graveyard city rife with corruption and mutants and sexy sexy vampires.

Skulls are apparently a naturally occurring part of the Warhammer fantasy landscape as the winds of magic flow through the world and warp natural rock formations into whatever form of magic is flowing currently. Death and Shadow lore magic, plus any evil magic (which is common) turns mountains...into skulls. Pic related. This is a naturally occurring landmass.

I have a doubt about the Apprentice Wizard career. My DM says I have to buy the career's advanced skills at character creation, but I remember reading on the player's guide (which was lent to me, so I can't look for it anymore) that they were free if the PC's starting career was apprentice.

The other question: on the corebook it says that training in Education confers literacy, but does this mean that every character who hasn't the advanced skill can't read or write at all? It seems very fucking harsh, and yet this is what literacy means.

Lizard player here, waiting eagerly for rumors! There are a few things I desperately want...

>Less expensive Cold One CavalryI love them, they do the job I need them to do most of the time (Either Hammer/Anvil with Saurus Warriors or going on a beeline for war machines aided by Chameleon Skinks), but they're just too expensive to field more than one or two small units of.

>Carnosaur CavalryI just want this.

>Our own Slann lores based on Old Ones/Gods

>Skink Priests with access to more than just Heavens, preferably Beasts as well as it is very fitting. Maybe Life as well?

>Saurus Warriors with more weapon options. I want some with Halberds or Great Weapons. Great Weapons would be great due to our already low initiative; add even more pain. Maybe not Halberds as the Temple Guard have them.

>Temple Guard with access to weapons besides Hand Weapons/Halberds

>The ability to hide my Slann deeper in the Temple Guard Deathstar.

>Slightly cheaper Temple Guard. I want a HORDE OF TEMPLE GUARD. Ten wide and at least five deep with a Slann in there.

Just a wish list, I'm sure they'll either make Skrox blocks amazing or absolute shit.

>>25996785I haven't played the game, so I can't vouch for the rules, but I know the fluff.

Things are really grim in the Warhammer Fantasy world. Reading and literacy is far less than even the real world Dark Ages, and WH is into the Age of Exploration right now. Unless you're an Elf/Dwarf, high level character, or a merchant you probably can't read.

>>25996819Well, High Elves had cavalry problems so they moved the light and medium cavalry back into core.

Ward wrote the rules for the new book (we fantasy players need a word instead of codex. Would "8th High Elf Tome" be good?) and it was balanced BEAUTIFULLY. So far 8th seems to be the best of the modern editions (once your race's book comes out that is) so don your blue ring mate.

Be prepare to bid on a lot of things, and be outbid a lot.A month of effort and you can get something like Spearmen or Silver Helms or Phoenix Guard at $1 a mini.

Make a list of what you want/need, and what you can proxy them as.Figure out GW's price per mini. Then figure out how much you'd pay per mini.

eBay "high elves warhammer" every day, sort by ending soonest, and browse a whole days worth each day. Figure out the price per mini (after shipping, but if you notice a lot of HE items you can win from the same guy plan on combined shipping price for the lot) and put the max bid you'd pay on the item.

Like I said, a lot of times you won't win. But I've gotten Alarielle's old model (prices for $20-50) for $3 because it was mislabeled "High Elf Sorceress" and it had a decent paint job. I've gotten a lot of 40 Spearmen PLUS some Lord of the Rings minis for $15 after shipping.

Heh, yeah, watch out for people selling stuff second hand. Don't be afraid to flat out ask them the questions either. Either they front up and you don't buy it, or they lie about it and you know to avoid them.

>>25997459Drycha's Queen Branchwraith. Hates the elves, hates the humans, hates basically everything that stands in the way of the Great Forest covering the Old World as it did when time was young. Runs an all-forest spirit army.

This means your core is Dryads, which were scary before skirmishers got nerfed into the ground and are now just lol. Treekin are your special, treeman ancients your rares, branchwraiths your casters.

This is an army that is quite mobile (drycha's unit can teleport between any forests on the battlefield) and hits like a truck in melee. It spends the magic, shooting, and combat resolution phases being shit on and dying.

>>25998830Lore-wise, I like it a little better. It's not as omgwtfoverthetop as 40K- hope may be slim, but hope exists. Also, the fact they're working within a single world means it's a lot easier to keep characters interconnected, they're less capable of saying "AND THEN PLANET WHATEVER WAS ANNIHILATED" and have it mean nothing.

Plus. In their great house at Caracas great frogmen lie dreaming, troubled only by the slave raids of the Canadians.

>>26000633The Ogre Kingdoms are closest. They're driven by their all-consuming hunger, and worship the Great Maw of the East; a massive, ever-hungry -thing- that fell from the sky and demands they feed it.

The ogres, however, are not chitinous monstrosities. Their origin story is pretty neat, though. Once upon a time, the Giants existed. Then the Ogres rebelled against and ate them. All of them. Any Giants you see on the battlefield are refugees from that terrible patricidal war. That or slaves the ogres keep around as walking siege weapons/potential snacks.

Ogres are neat as hell.

If you want the horde of little guys out to fuck up everything, backed up by BIIIIG motherfuckers out to fuck up everything, you want Beastmen. Beastmen do not get the fancy chaos shit because the Dark Gods know Beastmen are going to worship the Dark Gods. They don't need to bother trying to woo them with trinkets. The Beastmen think this is a shit deal.

First point is that your magic is expensive offensively, defensively it's not bad at all, but they can still slip one through if you're not lucky. Jesus Christ... Glamourmeave...

Your shooting is practically non-existent.

Combat is interesting... Dryads might be steadfast in forests, but their static combat resolution is terrible. Wild Riders can pack a punch if used correctly. Treemen and Treekin are obviously good and provide the army with much needed punch, as long as Flaming attacks/Magic Attacks aren't a mainstay of the enemy.

Characters are limited in form/use thanks to Spites. Treemen Ancients, Branchwraiths and Glamourweave and Wild Rider Kindreds also have heavy limitations on the battlefield.

In short: It's a fun army. It is /sometimes/ certainly viable. It is rarely /effective/.

Highly recommended that you play friendlies with the Drycha army where you know what army you're going up against and ask for a bit of leniency when it comes to the amount and effect of terrain on the table. (i.e. lots of terrain. No Mysterious Forests).

So I love the whole Dwarf thing, but it looks to me like their playstyle is

>no magic>no movement>no monsters>a bit of close combat>go shooty gunline or go home

Is this true? Is there a more interesting competitive way to play these guys? I would love to use their "fuck off magic" power to keep OP sixth spells out of the game and kick their ass old school with like flanking and shit

>>26000607More complex. I like 'em better- unlike in 40K, where a solid 90% of your strategy is done in the listbuilding phase, mobility and flanking are things that actually matter in Fantasy. Also, the leadership stat is not completely fucking superfluous, as it is for every 40K army not named Tau or IG.

The game does burn a WHOLE lot of that goodwill come the magic phase, though. If you don't like the random psychic powers in 40K, you are gonna hate the shit out of Fantasy's -much- more powerful magic phase. Quasi-randomly generated spells, the random Winds of Magic, the way spellcasting works... there's a lotta largely random shit.

Can they actually assault when they do so? In 40k you can't and it's fucking awful. Shat all over my Kommando army...

Also how do Chaos Dwarves compare with regular? Haven't even thought of them until >>26001481 but I saw some today and it looked like possibly they can take Orc slaves or something (which is good as I have heaps of Orcs and Goblins)

>>26001946They got demonically possessed war machines that makes them S8 T7 W7 or something along those lines, they focus on pure gunlines, they got Mongol Goblins but instead of horses, wolves, Dwarven Centaurs, and the big hats are wizards.

>>26002141The rules are... really in very early stages. I think IF player = VC/Dwarves/Skaven AND they bid/spend ... "50 points" on having the Crypt Board with Hill Covering then their deployment zone is increased to 2' (so they look like they've come out of the "Crypt Entrances"). If someone else has spent 40 points on the same thing then the person who spent 50 wins that deployment zone but the person who is now "40 points down" gets their un-won bids get converted to re-rolls.

>>26002217Oh... tables! Yes. Those tables are coming very soon. Bones supporter and all... gotta have random encounters for creeps.

Also, rumor is that 9th edition for fantasy and 7th for 40k will have all the army rules in the (expensive hardcover) core book, with each army supplement being the lore and paint jobs like the High Elf Heraldry book is.

Me and a bro are planning on starting Fantasy. Im getting some Beastmen models for cheap and he might go after Ogre Kingdoms or High Elves. Are Beastmen really that difficult to win with? I'm completely aware of their downfalls, but I feel like they get shit on a lot.

>>26002670All the Fantasy armies have an update schedule.Unlike 40k where anything that isn't a Space Marine is ignored, all of fantasy is equally ignored.

Empire get lots of fun stuff and most external media like comics and novels are a bit overly generous to mentioning them but the neglected ones (in order of most to least) are Beastmen, Wood Elves, Bretonnians, THEN Dwarfs. After that Lizardmen, who have problems with the minis more than rules.

As for the other side, High Elves JUST got an update and before that was Warriors of Chaos then I believe Vampire Counts.

>>26002922Beastmen suffer from the same thing Wood Elves do: 8th edition nerfed everything that was best about them, and the faults remained little changed.

That being said, Beastmen CAN be won with competitively. Their models are also easy to mod with even basic skills in greenstuff.

Think Sisters of Battle, but actually not as bad (Sisters almost never win despite having a few BADASS things, whereas everything Beastmen is kind of vanilla or bad but the army itself can scrape out pretty well with luck).

But if you're playing with a bro? Modify rules. Let you take 100-500 more points per game than him, let you take allies from another Destruction army like 40k allies (Daemons work well), whatever.

Fantasy overall is FAR more balanced. Each update army basically gets 1 or 3 things that are so fucking overpowered you'll get a red ring playing against them, but simply choosing not to use them keeps it all good.

Since there seems to be a lot of new Fantasybros in this thread, here's something worth noting: The Empire isn't the Imperium.

Witch Hunters are like the Inquisition with their motto "A single drop of evil in an ocean of good is an ocean of evil and must be vanquished" but Witch Hunters do more good than harm, and tend to bully the common man more than BLAM them.

Imperial Guard are pressed into mandatory service, treated like shit, and sent to kill by the thousand. Empire troops, even levies, are treated with respect by the common folk and usually their commanding officers.

Finally, Empire cities are like Rogue Trader. Lots of xenos (encouraged to be there since it's profit), lots of heresy behind closed doors (Daemonettes running loose from a brothel/opium den/nobleman's summer house and killing everyone in the marketplace happens oh say once or twice a year. Vampires tend to treat humans serving them somewhat well, anywhere from a bit higher than their same station in the Empire, or at worst just a bit higher than Imperial Guardsmen (only thing is vamps think you're their property, so once you're sworn to one that's the one you're stuck with).

There is only one exception: mentioning Skaven. Skaven are HERETICAL and believing in them, mentioning them, etc. is gonna get you burned at the stake. Trying to prove it with a living Skaven or Skaven corpse will get you burned for having made an abomination somehow and tried to underscore actual knowledge by passing it off as real.That being said, Skaven have made tunnel systems with steampunk tech so they can, within hours, get anywhere in the world almost. There's a magic nuke sitting underneath every Empire city, made by Skaven hands. Skaven outnumber every non-skaven race by 10000 to 1. Skaven in the material world might outnumber Daemons in the Warp.That being said, like any evil race they're too busy killing each other to get jack shit done.

>>26003900God Emperor of Mankind is a bitch who was afraid of aliens and too arrogant to realize he was fucking everything up. Sigmar was a god-tier badass who united Germans AND Russians permanently (a testimate to his badassery), made Dwarfs friends with humans forever, and went off in search of hot bitches to bang. When he died, his own god decided to step back and put Sigmar in charge as CEO of heaven.

Finally, unlike in 40k where for some reason Black Templar can fight Black Templar and Tau on Tau and Sisters on Sisters with the only explanation being "we think that group is heretics" or "com lines scrambled, reverting to plan A: kill everything" every faction in Fantasy has half a thousand fucking tiny factions within itself who have a valid reason to fight one another.

High Elves are the only reason the setting isn't 40k since they keep everything good with their awesome magics, they're bros with Empire and taught Empire magic, Bretonnians based their entire culture on High Elf ruins and wall murals and the Wood Elves are manipulating them now, Wood Elves are crazy motherfuckers who act like hippies in films telling you not to do drugs, Dark Elves are Dark Eldar but Chaotic Stupid and incestuous (more Caligula Romans than the Dark Eldar Nazi deathcamp set up), Vampire Counts prey on the Empire mostly and have a lot of mini factions (one is all female and wants to maintain status quo so they range from lawful evil to at times being true neutral with a few crazy ones here and there being chaotic good, one of the reason there's no Sisters of Battle in fantasy is that the femvamps infiltrated them almost everywhere and the church no longer trusts women). Ogres are mercenaries who only want to eat and get paid, so they'll fight for or against anyone. Tomb Kings are Egyptian skeletons (all of Egypt is a desert with no life, except statues of plants and animals the TK make) who want ALL the shit that was stolen from their tombs back, and otherwise just sometimes go out looking for harem girls to skeletonize or wealth but they can be negotiated with and thus are as neutral as Ogres.Beastmen are crazy mutated humans who live in the forest and pick on Bretonnians and Wood Elves, and occasionally the Empire.Warriors of Chaos are Chaos worshiping vikings, and they excel and are awesome where Chaos Space Marines suck and fail.

Dwarfs are Dwarfs. Lawful stupid to a T. They'll hold every grudge (some arbitrary) for a thousand generations. Avenging grudges with deadly force is sacred to them. Also fucking gloriously awesome.

Orcs are Orks, but with crazy batshit insane Goblins to go with them so they're more badass.

>>26003917Beastmen are Lawful "..." with their supreme leader being a frog mummy (God Emperor more or less) that still shoots magic out his ass, they have NO thoughts they weren't programmed to have, and they only seek to enact the mysterious will of the Titans (although they may interpret "wash hands before returning to work" inscribed on a wall of a ruin they wiped out half of Bretonnia to get to as "Dwarfs need Orcs up their asses" and will immediately set out to insert an Orc in every Dwarf's ass.

There's lots of groups not even in the game, their world looks exactly like ours but MUCH bigger. There's Spanish conquistadors with flying machines, Arabs with enslaved Daemons made of elements, Chinese with robots, Japanese with animal people (they taught Skaven to be ninjas apparently), Australians who have sex with dragons, merpeople who do meth and rape sailors, Russians with bear cavalry and a queen who turns shit to diamonds by looking at it, all sortsa stuff. There's amazons who are all literally gods walking the earth, Celts who are basically cavemen who fuck elves and giants equally.

The whole world stops all wars for football season, and teams are allowed to bring siege equipment to games. It's called "Blood Bowl". Think Necromunda is crazy? Play Mordheim. Shit's fucking insane.

This guy is Slaanesh's mortal champion.He's fucking awesome, but he's so fucking stupid he doesn't succeed at anything.

He killed his dad for cockblocking him at his sister. He decided to wipe out High Elves because they had prettier hair than him, killed most of his own men along the way, and in the middle of the battle against the HE the sight of his own men's blood reminded him of a bad bottle of Bretonnian wine he had once so he took off to go wipe out Bretonnians.He figured out a way to ferment souls into alcohol. It tooks millions of souls who were sent screaming to oblivion.He didn't do it to drink, he did it because he likes the smell of soulcohol.

She's the queen of the High Elves. Her life keeps Ulthuan, which is like if Greenland was Atlantis/Valinor/USA, from sinking under the ocean.Ulthuan keeps the Chaos Gods from literally being able to walk into the world from the north pole.

When she's around Daemons bleed from their eyes, shit themselves, and go into the fetal position singing Christian Rock music while scratching arcane runes that will awaken Barney the Dinosaur from his slumber beneath Ulthuan to wake up and keep coastal cities safe.

Read that again motherfucker. She makes Daemons take SAN checks. She's Snow White, she's all nice and happy but she is to Chaos what Chaos is to everyone else.

The Elf President of the United Kingdoms gets to sex her up. Don't you want to become president now?Fuck you, you aren't an elf. But she's so nice she won't hold it against you. She casts spells at night to keep children around the world having good dreams, because that's how she rolls.

>>26004318See this pimp? You can tell who I'm talking about since he's got the solid gold and diamond hat (it's actually a diamond covered in gold and encrusted in the God Emperor's baby teeth).

This is Settra. Settra the Imperishable, who brings the sun up above the clouds, who teaches Orks to speak in proper Kelsey grammar then kills them anyway, who taught Dougie how to Settra, who crafted Chuck Norris out of clay when he was four and a half years old in art class, who taught the Dwarfs how to grow beards, who came up with billions of titles and eats away centuries when he tells his majordomo to recite them.

Settra is the single baddest motherfucker to ever live. Nobody can beat him. Khorne cosplays Settra to Games Workshop conventions, Nurgle lights candles and puts the cover on Isha's cage and faps to Settra for days on end, Slaanesh ships him with everyone and thus may be the only shipper in reality to actually be correct, and Tzeentch is trying to manipulate events so he can get Settra's autograph.

Settra likes to spend his time trying to remember what it was like being human. Sometimes he remembers something, like "boobs, hips, and butts are awesome" and goes to raid the Empire, Bretonnia, and south Nehekara for hot German, French, and African babes respectively. Sometimes he remembers food, so he sends his minions out to build statues of trees, put their skulls in the tops of the trees, "water" the trees with differently colored sand, then a season later get on ladders and pick their skulls to put in baskets, ship them back to the capital, and sell to nobleskeletons while Settra gets the biggest heads to put in his ribcage and feel satisfied.

No you fucking didn't, because while you were looking in the direction I was pointing he appeared behind you, spun you around because only a chickenshit would kill someone from behind, and lopped your head off.Oh, you think you're safe now because Slaanesh protects?

Nope. Look over there, he's fucking charging us right now. Wanna know what happens when his lance hits your soul? You cum and you cease to exist. Slaanesh ain't shit, he just turned off the monster because this shit is too sick even for him. I'm gonna film this, make a .gif, and disguise the thumbnail as Sigvald pissing in his own mouth so when Slaanesh clicks on it to save it his Daemonettes will turn into Sisters of Battle and curbstomp him.

Oh, but this guy will be there too. See, he's fucking everywhere. He appears to young men looking to become knights and teaches them how to hold a lance, maintain their breathing when their mouth is obstructed, keep their thighs firmly grasped around their mount, and everything else a young Frenchman needs to know to survive in the world.

Wanna know who he is? Too bad, everyone does. Some smelly hatless and Albionish hobo said he was Bretonnia incarnate, some Ulthuafat says he's the first king of Bretonnia. All you need to know is he keeps Sigmar from riding drunk since he knows not to let friends drink and drive, he always holds the door open for the Lady of the Lake and avoids strange goddesses to keep himself clean for her, and when Khaine gets uppity Asuryan calls the Green Knight to uphold the law.

>>26004718Now let's clear up one misconception right now.That Warhammer 40k is more "epic".

Look at your 40k army, what do you see? Like 40 Space Marines, a couple of giant robots, then like 5 Rhinos.

Now look at your opponent's army. 40 Space Marines, a couple of angry looking mutants, and like 5 Rhinos.

Now look at the other table. Like 50 Tau gunmen, 3 hovertanks, and 2 transports. His opponent? 2 groups of 20 or so Eldar, a giant robot, and two hovertanks.

Now look at this. See this? This is a Coven Throne. It's a giant fucking dais made of gold and marble with three hot vampire chicks bathing in blood. It's held up by the fucking ghosts from Night on Bald Mountain. This, along with like 100 skeletons, 20 skeleton knights, 3 giant batmen (that's right, 3 batmen) and some screaming ghosts make up a Vampire Counts army.

Oh, not impressed? Let's see your little spaceship that looks like a cardboard box had sex with a crappy plastic model kit on the shelf behind your head (which retails $13 and is much bigger than your $60 spaceship toy). Wanna know what we get? GIANT FUCKING ZOMBIE DRAGON RIDDEN BY A PISSED OFF KNIGHT.

But that's not all. NO OTHER ARMY has this model. That's right, none of this shit where you're palette swaping your opponent. You've got big shit and a fuckton of little shit, he's got bigger shit and then some really big shit, none of it looks alike.

He's got a giant phoenix ridden by a pissed off priest with a fire axe, guy next to you has a 30 foot tall sarcophagus/sphinx, another guy has a giant wooly mammoth ridden by vikings with a sacrificial altar on top, and in the display case is a forest spirit with the biggest, fattest, sexiest ass you've ever seen and a washboard stomach on the front.

>>26004836That's nice and all but I can shove all of this into 40k, but not the other way around. Also WFB doesn't have cybergoth vampire elf ninja pirate cenobites, it doesn't have space knights or space vikings, its chaos units aren't as cool as most CSM units and I really like giant robots, also it doesn't have tyranids. Tyranids are awesome.

See, a long time ago Cleopatra of the Nile snuck into an ancient temple run by an evil badass before he was killed because she heard it had statues of naked chicks in it and she thought that was alright.She found some magic books and took them home to read while the slaves performed cunnilingus on her and she gained 20 levels of XP in necroawesome. So she made a potion of blood that made her immortal and godlike, then liked the taste so she kept drinking it then eventually blood in general since it makes her randy. She got other sexy nobles together and invited them to the club, plus some guys because affirmative action. Then the NOFUN police from the other kingdoms came and curbstomped them. They all ran like chickenshits.Sigmar was pissed that even showing her the fact his dick was so big his urethra was about the same size and shape as a pussy wasn't enough to make her want the D so he cursed them.They had to live by all sorts of stupid rules like sunlight is bad, mirrors don't reflect, running water makes you piss yourself with no save throw, etc. but since Neferata has a CHA of 20 per breast on top of her own modest 47, she plays it off like it's nothing.

>>26005219While the other vampires went to start kingdoms and get into fights and worship the Dead God Emperor Nagash and shit, Neferata went out in search of more hot bitches. She turned them to vampires, set up a system of rules to keep them from doing chick stuff like backstabbing each other for kicks, and told them to bring her the best shit they could find so she could live in a level of luxury even Slaanesh can't (he'd be let into the club if he'd just ditch the penises).She also developed a healthy interest in /ss/, pissing off Sigmar even further. Other vampires did stupid ass shit, so now humans are aware of vampire weaknesses and the fact they could be anywhere (total vampires killed by witch hunters: 103. Total humans mistaken for vampires by witch hunter: 100000003. Total humans saved by witch hunters by killing vampires? 10).

Your wife is a vampire. Your daughter is a vampire, your female boss is a vampire, your priest is a vampire chick pretending to be a man, that witch hunter is a vampire reverse trap, and even that sexy guy you experimented with in boyscouts was turned into a vampire so he could regale Neferata with gossip while they sip blood cosmos. Don't think she's a nobody though, she'd rip Abaddon's dick off and suck out everything he DOESN'T want her to have in her belly.

Think she's going to come to the city gates with an army and assrape you to death? Nope. The army is actually the city guard, she's keeping everything nice and safe. Nice and quiet. As long as you keep up the good work, you'll be nice and happy. Happy and juicy. Juicy and just begging to be drained.You'll love it. Here, sit on a throw pillow and relax.

"What did one vampire lesbian say to the other? See you next month! Wakka wakka!" Play Fantasy.

>>26005570Low model count, paints easy, relatively cheap, and they have a book in this edition. I haven't heard a lot about how powerful their list actually is, but based on the above alone, I'd say to absolutely go for it.

I was just going by their fluff. I mean, 10ft tall ogres that live in the WHFB Himalayas, have tiny goblin helpers, beat up, train and ride animals the size of moderately large CATHEDRALS and EAT. FUCKING. EVERYTHING. EVER.

It's Nagash the Black, the Great Necromancer. This guy was the brother of the fucking pharaoh and high priest in the greatest city of the first human civilization ever. You think he was content with that? Fuck no. He wanted to learn magic. So the laws of magic said he had to choose between evil shadowmagic, evil deathmagic and even the superspecialsnowflake evil darkmagic. You know what? Fuck. That. Shit. Nagash doesn’t let anyone tell him what to choose, so he fucking browbeat the laws of magic until they spat out necromancy. That’s right, this fucker invented the undead.

After that, he murdered his own brother and then terrorized the entire fucking country so hard that about 50 cities, who were all mortal enemies, decided to make peace so they could go kill him. So Nagash had to flee. You think he fled to some pansy oasis, with food and water? Fuck no, he just walked straight into the biggest dessert you’ve ever seen. He got about halfwas before he keeled over and died. And then he stood up again and walked on. That’s right, this fucker is such a badass he resurrected himself into undead, just because fuck everyone else.

Once he got to the other end of the dessert, he set about having his vengeance on those assholes who defeated him. First he ate so much raw magic it transformed him into a glowing green mosterskeleton. Then he cast the single most powerful spell that has ever been cast in the history of magic. It killed the entire fucking civilization. All of it. Every human, every animal, every plant in the entire land died. And then the spell resurrected everything. And not just the things it killed, no no. Everything. Every fucking thing that had ever died and got buried in that land. With that one spell he created the biggest army in the history of armies. And with it he was going to exterminate every living thing in the entire world, just because he couldn’t fucking stand anyone else having anything nice at all.

When the Skaven noticed the giant fucking army coming for them, they panicked a little. You know what they did? They forged the deadliest sword in the history of swords. That shit was so deadly holding it the right way was already guaranteed to kill you within days, not to mention getting stabbed with it. Then they let some schmuck human stab Nagash with it while he was busy commanding his army. You think that finally put him down? Fuck no. Because by then he had invented the Lich. And as phylactery he made a gigantic obsidian pyramid that’s so big and so enchanted it’s impossible to destroy. That thing is still standing. And every time Nagash gets smacked own by a fucking living god or something, he just comes back after a few thousand years. And one day, when he resurrects, there won’t be a god around to stop him. And then he’ll kill everything.

>>26006371You know who also rolls? This badass motherfucker: Orion, the King of the Wild Hunt.

Every year, Orion gets born out of the biggest fuckoff Oak Tree in Loren. But instead of learning how to walk and talk, he just runs off on his satyr legs and calls on his huge horn. He's got a pack of dogs with him but if you thought that they were man's best friend then you've got another thing coming. Fido and Dido here are more prone to running off and shitting on your lawn. With a frenzied pack of tattooed, drunk, horse-riding savages. And a living god.

And after the Hunt is over, Orion dies. But he doesn't have wait a thousand years to get reborn like Nagash. He gets reborn EVRY. FUCKING. YEAR. And when it's winter and he's not fucking Bretonnian shit up, he's fucking his hot moth-girl, goddess queen, Ariel. For 3-6 months straight.

Oh shit nigga, all these bitch ass niggas think that they're hot shit cause they've got a few bitching weapons and can burp the fucking alphabet. They get all this shit handed to them, and now they want you to suck their dicks.

Fuck that.

These two? These two could kill any of these fancy fuckers shown here, and walk away from it to go kill some more hardcore motherfuckers. You know why? Cause they are motherfucking Gotrek and Felix, the two greatest warriors in the Warhammer Fantasy universe.

See, Felix's Sword? That fucker can deflect and redirect dragon fire, while also carving through dragonskin like a dick through whores. And it has driven everyone who previously used mad. Felix? Tells the sword to shut the fuck up and work. Felix is not just one of the worlds best swordsmen, and having hoes in every city, but he's a trained scholar. Shit nigga, this guy can not only shank your punk ass with his sword, he can outrap your shit any day of the week.

And these two don't even have any damn fancy armor, or hordes of whores to suck their dicks when they want. They travel around world, fucking up shit wherever they go.

Ind? Been there, fucked hot bitches. Cathy? Emperor's palace. Chaos Wastes? Shit, there and back in the worlds first fucking Zeppelin.Araby? Shit son, Tomb Guards ain't shit. Bretonnia? Knights ain't shit.Empire? Its illegal for them to even be there, cause they're so bitching.Kislev? Helped fend of one of the largest Chaos incursions in centuries.

The gods made them their fucking hitmen, superhuman, and damn immortal.

You remember Nagash? We talked about him up there? Wiped out an entire kingdom and rezzed them to be his unthinging, eternal army?

He's still only #2 in the Warhammer Fantasy All-Time Killstreak Competition. #1 is the Master of the First City, Protector of Itza, Bane of Daemons, He Who Learned Magic Direct From The Titans And Taught Everyone Else Because They Only Explained It Once, The Venerable Lord Kroak.

He's also dead. Just straight up dead. Not undead. He died. His body was torn into tiny shreds when a dozen Bloodthirsters finally burst through his wards and his guardians at the height of the single greatest invasion of Chaos there has ever been or will ever be.

The reason there will never again be one like it is as a response to being killed, Lord Kroak rose up above the shattered remnants of his body and said "MY TURN," killing every daemon in a several mile radius in a single gigantic blast of magic. The Chaos Gods Them Fucking Selves took note of this, and were all "okay, memo for general consumption: no trying to fuck with that guy."

He's dead. Fully dead. His body does not animate, and he does not speak. He just refuses to leave. His spirit stays around his mummified, gold-cast remains, and while his magical power is less than it was in life courtesy of the effort of staying not-fully-dead, he's still capable of taking any lesser wizard (i.e. all of them) out back and thrashing them to within an inch of their pathetic warmblooded lives.

Fuck all these limp-wristed pansies up there, with all their complicated shit like magic, or running kingdoms, or forming coherent thoughts. Time to introduce a real man.

This is Arbaal the Undefeated, Champion of Khorne. You know why they call him that? Because he's won every single battle he's ever fought in in his entire life. If this guy had been a World Eater you can bet your ass he wouldn't have died at the Siege of the Imperial Palace, nor would he have had his ass kicked by a mere 100 Grey Knight Terminators at Armageddon, unlike other Astartes I could mention.

There isn't even a list of the battles this guy has won, because he never leaves anyone to tell the fucking tale, except this one time when he literally headbutted the gates to one of Kislev's most heavily defended cities open. No frills, no magic, no tactics, he just straight-up murders anyone he can get his hands on, Final destination.

>>26010126There's Sisters of Sigmar, but they're decidedly less batshit insane than the Sisters of Battle.Also their main convent was wiped out in Mordheim when meteors made of solidified chaos blew up the city.

The rest were infiltrated by female vampires one by one until there's almost none left now.

There's the Sisters of Morr, but they're more like goth nurses than religious zealots.

Witch Hunters are pretty damn zealous, but again: not as crazy zealous as in 40k.

>>26010152 is correct, the most crazy batshit insane non-Chaos worshippers are probably the masses. When riots occur in 40k it's usually against the Imperium, like a proper revolution and the church calls in troops to put it down.When riots occur in Fantasy, it's usually like a San Fran riot where they just fucking wreck everything, usually out of fear that there's vampires or werewolves or cultists in the city. The church actually encourages this behavior, as they figure 40 burned teenage girls and old people in the marketplace is better than a vampire running around.

The Flagellants are probably the craziest, they just go town to town telling everyone THE END IS NIGH and when shit actually DOES go down, the run around telling everyone I TOLD YOU SO and helping fight/riot.

>>25996714Dear gods no... They have Sigmar as a sort of patron god of the Empire itself, and then a whole bunch of other, older gods, including but in no way limited to Morr. Read more, don't just rely on what you see in GW's online shop.

>>26015095I'll write up how I worked it out, but I'm a filthy casual and you might want to get a second opinion.

I have 2 casters. One is level 3 and one is level 1. Both have a Lore. I chose which caster I want to roll spells for first. I roll a die. I read the corresponding spell and decide if I want to keep the spell or swap it for the signature spell. I roll the next the next die and read the corresponding spell. If I already have that spell on this or another caster then I can choose any spell from the Lore. The signature spell is the only spell that multiple casters have have. I repeat this process until the caster has generated one spell for each level he or she is, then I move to the next caster.

>>26015377In my magic phase I generate power dice by rolling 2d6. I get the total number of dice as power dice. My opponent gets the single highest number on the d6s as dispelling dice.

To cast a spell I nominate a spell, assign a pool of dice to it and whatever parameters are required (range, etc). I roll the power dice I can assigned to the spell. I add my caster level. If it equals or exceeds the casting value then the spell is cast.

My opponent can attempt to dispel the spell. He or she designates a caster to dispel the spell, assigns a pool of dice and rolls them, adds the caster's level to the dice total. If the grand total equals or exceeds my roll, the spell is dispelled. If it is not dispelled then the caster cannot dispel any more magic this turn. You can always use your army to dispel a spell, but it will not get any addition thanks to caster levels.

... then there are miscasts, which are 3 or less when casting (I think), or double sixes... and dispelling with irresistible force and all this other stuff and Army Book Rules and magic items that just fuck around with everything... But the explanation above and the previous post should get you in the right mindset to get some tactics when making your army list.

For any army below Grand Army size (3000 points), you can max out on 2 Warp Lightning Cannons and 2 Doomwheels for the BLATANTLY lightning themed shooting weapons.

After that, most of the artillery ranges from warpfire to poisonwind globes. Some Rat Ogres do work via warp lightning too, as well as an option for the Hellpit Abomination. And you always have your Warlock engineers for more lightning themes.

>>26015337>>26015618Alright, I can do hordes. If I have more guys than my opponent can deal with, no big problem if I knock off a few myself. As far as the blatant giant lightning guns... can I still have lots of normal guns as my main army? Or do I need just melee troops with a smattering of guns.

>>26017241Marching is double speed (the M stat on your mini is inches). They can't reform and can only move forwards but can change the angle they're moving forwards at (like following a road).

Marching eats your shooting phase for that turn too. If you get 8 inches close to an enemy that isn't fleeing, you take a Leadership test (LD is VERY important in Fantasy, unlike in 40k. Causing Fear or being immune to it is a very big strength). Pass the test and move as you like. Fail and the unit stops marching (can keep going at normal speed, but your shooting is still gone that turn).

>>26017504I've been buying from Bitzworld on eBay, they seem to crack open an Island of Blood a week. Clanrats are going for like $1 each in sets of 20. I've been winning everything but the Rat Ogres for $1, so you can nab more shit easy.Shipping is $2, and the dude does combined shipping if you ask (saved $30 on an order once).

>>26011235TO TELL THE TALE OF TYRION, WE MUST FIRST KNOW THE TALE OF ULTHUAN PROPER

so yeah let's rock this shit.

Billions ago: Elfs. Well actually just a couple thousand but fuck you. Anyway. Shit's pretty cool on Ulthuan until suddenly: TIDAL WAVES OF FUCKING DAEMONS. And this time there's no Lord Kroak to be wiping them out a square mile at a time.

Aenarion, who is really badass, is fighting them the old-fashioned way (millions of arrows behind millions of spearmen) until oh shit: his wife and kids are dead. He hops on the King of All Dragons and says "IMMA GO BE KHAINE NOW" and heads to the Blighted Isle, where rests Widowmaker, the Sword of Khaine. While literally Every God is all "seriously bro this is a bad fuckin' idea" the sword promises to make him King of Fights at the low, low price of damning him, his bloodline, and all over whom he reigned to one day lose everything he had fought for. Aenarion responded "HOT DAMN KING OF FIGHTS YOU SAY," drew the sword, got on top of the King of Dragons, and then proceeded to kill basically All The Demons. Also then some giant nerd built some portal or some shit, blah blah who cares.

Anyhoo, he died having basically been a one-man murderhurricane through All The Demons, his last act being to put the sword back in the stone. His kid was being groomed for the throne but courtesy of the whole "dad went pretty nuts there towards the end" thing kid is all "yeah okay I can understand why y'all got reservations, I'll work for the other guy."

>>26015249Here's what you need to know about Skaven:1) They talk fast, they repeat words they like twice, and since they don't consider non-Skaven to be people (not even most Skaven except themselves) they call things "------things" like "Manthings" and "Dwarfthings" and "Elfthings".

DIEDIE MANTHINGS!

2) Skaven females are physically altered to essentially have all unnecessary organs removed and all necessary ones enlarged. This leads them to look like maggots the size of a skyscraper. Covered in lactating boobs. Literally leaking out babies all hours of the day. Mating with one is still somehow a great pleasure to the Skaven. Of these infants, less than a quarter make it out of the birthing chamber as they're trampled by caregivers, their mother, and eaten by those who wean quickly (days, minutes, however long).

Old canon had some female Skaven escape such a fate. There were even less evil Skaven (fancy Skaven kept within the Empire like fancy rats). Also, Blood Bowl had Skaven cheerleaders. So take that as you will.3) Skaven have interfered with EVERYONE'S history except High Elves (because they can't tunnel into Ulthuan since the landmass is technically floating above the water).4) NOBODY trusts Skaven. If you field a generic Skaven character, chances are every turn another Skaven snuck up from behind, stabbed him and ate him whole, put on his clothes really fast, and everyone pretended nothing happened. That's why in 2v2, Skaven can't really ally with anyone. Skaven are in many ways the Tyranids in the sense that they can't ally. Dark Elves are the same though.5) The most valuable thing to Skaven is Warpstone, which is Chaos energy that crystallizes.

>>26018016So shit's pretty sweet and Malekith The Great is a sweet general like daddo before him. Shit is so sweet in fact that people are all 'we are bored with shit being awesome. LET'S START WORSHIPPING SLAANESH.' Malekith, again, super-loyal dude that he was, devotes himself to wiping out the slaanesh cults whose source TOTALLY isn't his smokin' hot mom.

Turns out that the Slaanesh cults are all over the place! And need to be taken out! And they fight back, frequently while saying 'no we're totes not slaanesh cultists.'

Yeah one day Malekith's all HEY TURNS OUT THE PHOENIX KING'S A SLAANESH WORSHIPPER and kills him. Everybody is all 'the fuck is wrong with you son' and malekith's all "hey look you jackasses I will prove I'm not lying and am worthy to be king by walking through the Fires of Asurmen, through which none but the chosen of the gods may pass."

One REALLY crispy elf and a metric shitton of healing magic later, he speaks: "see, toldja, all hail King Malekith," most of the elves, among which a guy who's just gone through the fire without getting so much as a tan, are all "FUUUUCK THAT SHIT" and horrible civil war ensues. Those are the Dark Elves.

The thing with civil wars is that families are divided against themselves. While the majority of Malekith's brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, and the rest of the co-signatories to Daddy's "you and all your line will fall to madness and ruin" thing, a decent number didn't.

Let's flash forward a couple thousand years. Say hello to Tyrion and Teclis.

>>26018308Teclis is sickly, weak, pathetic, and useless. Honestly even the desperate-for-more-bodies High Elves would have been all 'sure would be a shame if someone accidentally left a pillow over his head and he died struggling to get out from under it' pretty early in his life. Line of Aenarion+is that goddamn weak? Welp, tragic thing, that curse.

Except for then there is Tyrion, brother of Teclis, who everyone from a very young age tries very hard not to say "holy shit you are Aenarion reborn" to because that's exactly the same thing everyone said about Malekith. And he will fight for his brosef.

Well, lucky for the brosef he makes it to puberty and gets sent off to the Tower of Saphery, where the wizards there are all "HOLY SHIT how does it even walk also HOLY SHIT he is manipulating the winds of magic like a fully trained mage despite having recieved no training, PROJECT TIME."

Tyrion meanwhile has just kept on getting more and more badass. Like Male-WE MEANT AENARION HONEST before him he wins fantastic victories, earning the respect of his men, the nobility, even the Everqueen herself is down with him (yes, that kind of down, he's got a magic item that will bring him back to life if he dies at the cost of her love for him), the Phoenix King considers him his most trusted advisor, no race has failed to give him a suitably fear-inspiring title earned on the field of combat, and oh btdubs he's got the most horrifically powerful mage the Elves have ever known backing him up.

And every night, he dreams of the Sword of Khaine, calling him to fulfill his destiny.

The elves have placed all their trust in a glorious, shining, dragon-riding warrior prince who everyone knows is a ticking time bomb. Play Fantasy.

Incidentally, Teclis also is the guy who teaches humans how to use magic properly, over the strenuous "what the fuck are you even thinking man"s of the elven nobility. His counterargument consists of having his brother look funny at them.

He also at one point rezzes his brother and almost flat-out kills Malekith. This is the day that everyone starts thinking 'oh okay if Tyrion ever goes batshit we'll have Teclis to deal with the problem, yeah, sure Tyrion can have All Of The Power."

There is no way this will bite the elves in the ass.

...which is depressingly true since like in 40K, the plot will never progress, but still, the fact that the Elves are all "hey you know what couldn't bite us in the ass, putting all our trust in people we know are cursed to one day go batshit crazy" is a nice touch.

>>26019197Less so these days. He's now merely the best caster in the game, rather than absolutely game-endingly horseshit.

Well, depending on how you count it. A well-built Slaan is currently capable of making him cry for mommy, but I've got no illusions my beloved frogmen are gonna survive their update un-nerfed. Focused Rumination and Becalming Cogitation are kinda total horseshit in 8th edition.

>>26007691Gotrek and Felix.And entire series predicated on an Imperial Noble and Poet who got into one little riot and his mom got scared said you're following this insane dwarf around until something actually manages to kill him.

And a Dwarf who greets every sunrise with today is a good day to die, doesn't sleep at night because it's a good night to die, and can't die because the Fantasy Universe is pussy tier.

>Emperor's personal cavalry?Gotrek accidentally all of them>Unnumbered hordes of Goblins?Unnumbered kill count more like>Fallen Dwarfhold for 1000s of years?Well that was a waste of time>Skaven, all the SkavenSkaven are now allergic to Gotrek, it's a survival feature>No seriously named Rat Ogre with a fucking model and stat block?One shot.>What about Mannfred von CarsteinFucking M6, shit ain't fair!>Actual most dangerous thing in the fightFelix Jaeger is more dangerous than anything has any right to be. Look again, he's on a Steam Tank.

And no, it's not Forgeworldhttp://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Abyssal-Dwarfs.html

Far warning though, ALL of these models are being turn from Hybrid Metal/Plastic to their "restic" bits and having a few things changed about them.

The restic is kind of like the Finecast GW makes, but not shit. It's actually sturdy. The bits that are being changed are like the leg area getting a FUCK ton more detail. They had a kickstarter that had their crap shipped out this friday. A guy from the LGS brought them in and I wanted to get them immediately.

>>26019527So the Sisters of Battle are Bretonnians who are just the female version of these guys?I should have known with the Fluer De Lis but still.

So...I'm now considering how to make Sisters of Battle Bretonnians. Maybe just take two Sisters and put them on a cavalry base? The horse gets an attack too, right? But it's weaker, so maybe a Sister of Avelorn painted to look like a Sister in training (Sister squire?) while the one in front is her liege. Meanwhile the Bretonnian Peasants are unchanged. Or maybe not, I don't know.

Magnetize Exorcist bits so I can take the Sister and the organ off the Rhino base, and attach them to what looks like a wood platform on wheels pulled by a manly looking monk (I'm talking early 1900's boxer with the twirly mustache and a goose egg haircut) at a Trebuchet?

I'm getting really excited about this idea, anyone want to help me theorycaft about it?

>>26022399Fuck, if I was more awake I'd have an answer for this.>>26022493That makes a lot more sense in terms of rules, with the fluff being them as Bretonnians.Actually, aren't they kind of the analogue for Dwarfs in terms of rules anyway? Like a similar playstyle, barring rules differences, between 40k and Fantasy?

I was working on a comic continuation to Stalwart Sisters of Pewter where since Mordheim is discontinued, a guy buys a bunch of Sisters and sticks shields over their meltas and cuts away their pistols and mounts a sword on it.

Then they meet the very unattractive Sister Superior of the Sisters of Sigmar who treats them like shit since they look so young they must be recruits, then they find out that the bolter sword handles still fire and the meltas still work from under the shield and the other Sisters bow to them.

Another page is the owner putting them all on his shelf, and the Sisters of Sigmar show them a statue of him bare chesting and holding up Ghalmaraz. They begin drooling.These pages are drawn, I'm waiting to get ink and a scanner. Laziness has prevented both.

Final page I was planning involves the Sisters being used as proxies in an Empire army, and the Sisters of Battle picking a fight with allied High Elves or something when the two armies are allied. Dunno where to go with it though, Teclis teaching them to make magic Emperor holograms? Them mistaking Tyrion for a Sister Superior because he's girly looking and has a sword? The Everqueen being God Emperor-y and them turning to worship her?I dunno. Lots of ideas, none good.

Bretonnians were on the verge of destroying the Empire. Warriors of Chaos ran rampant through Kislev. Only the might of the High Elf allies against WoC, and the fact the Bretonnians were in the middle of the Crusades against Araby, kept the Empire from certain doom within the day.

They kind of stopped mentioning it and just drove home how bad the Empire gets hit by Beastmen and Warriors of Chaos (but not through Kislev). It's sort of open to interpretation if it's still canon or not.

The whole savage world against us and we endure.Those horse loving hicks pray to a foul elf and only exist because they are the lesser of evils that we must suffer.In time we will shit in that magic well and smelt that damn cup into an alter to Sigmar.

>>26007691How the hell do I get to field these guys? Can't see them in the Dwarf army book anywhere

Anyway, a friend of mine who has 15k of High Elves is willing to let me borrow them for a 2400pt league while I paint up my own army. I haven't the faintest idea how to use these dudes, can anyone help a guy out?

>>26023843Gotrek and Felix aren't dudes that just fight alogn with army whatever. They go about by themselves wrecking shit.There were, however, rules for Gotrek included in a special White Dwarf (300 I think it was) for a miniature of Grombrindal being held on a shield carried by Gotrek and Bugman. Those three cost as much as an army...

>>26024786There's some on Rule 34, some former furry artist who got really good and does comissions for non-furry shit now did a short series about a female kobold adventurer.There's some porn pages, first one Skaven trap her and lick her ass before ramming some kind of warpstone rod up her vagoo.Second one she's molested while tied up by a sci-fi street gang. She beats their asses though.

>>26032617Proxy your army as High Elves, fight in 3 ranks and get a magic standard?Take Sisters of Avelorn for machine gunners?

Fancy Skaven as High Elves. Their commander, a stand-in for Teclis, is a rat in a monocle and top hat with a groomed mustache twirling a jewel topped cane. The Handmaiden is a Duchess rat. Lothern Seamaster is a Royal Navy Rat in a powdered wig and a frock coat.The Prince on Dragon is a duelist rat on a giant fire pigeon.

>>26036317Some books are god tier, some of them make them into Mary Sues.

People are divided on the spinoff series Ulrika the Vampire (title itself is a spoiler for her fate, but considering they advertise it in the back of the first book now and it's on the shelf next to the series, it's like saying "Harry Potter is in no danger for all 7 books"). I really liked Ulrika, some people find it ghastly (no pun intended). Reviews put it below the good G&F books, above the bad ones.

>>26038244I've been editing their 1d4chan page, check it out.Each Phoenix King was either a glorious badass, or a fucking pansy who wrecked shit for everyone. The minority is the pansies who made smart choices like a ruler should.

Each of the named heroes is pretty neat. I'm going to put in Alith Anar and continue Eltharion's late tonight.

But yeah. White Lions of Chrace, and Korhil, are fucking glorious.

If you read the High Elf books they're neat for a HE player, not too inspiring for a non-HE player looking to get into them. More of "victory from the jaws of utter Slaanesh/Dark Elf buttrape" kind of thing. Haven't read the newest one yet, so I dunno about it. I think it's about Teclis and Tyrion looking for the first non-Phoenix King Caledor's loot before they became big names among the HE.

>>26038896It's up to debate which has better rules (I'm more inclined towards Warhammer Fantasy since I like the variety of races and types of troops).Warhammer has a bigger established canon, much of which is pretty neat.

Kings of War has much cheaper minis. Some look a lot better.

I'd say pick the rule set you like/can get friends for, and get the models you want to proxy for either game.

>>26006354>>26006371Man, I wish they actually had a Nagash faction.I know people will direct me to tombkings or VC but they're all pussies who don't know dick about true Necromancy. Also I don't see the appeal of playing "get off our lawn" or gothic fetish fuel.

I just want a good ole fashioned supreme undead overlord made from pure magic and hate, whose only goal is to purge the impure and willful living creatures off the face of the earth.

>>26039025I agree with you that there should be a Nagash sub faction to the armies (Nagash for Tomb Kings, Arkhan the Black for Vampire Counts) in the same vein as a superpowered Drycha. Don't forget Nagash wants to tear portals to other dimensions open and conquer all reality (Nagash invades 40k. Imagine that for a moment).

Tomb Kings go on the offensive a fair amount though. Some TKs get sick of sharing a single throne with their 10 ancestors and 30 descendants and GTFO, some were naval men in life and build floating pyramids and fuck up pirates all the time, some like to raid or go hunting orcs for fun. Settra is mentioned to raid living humans for whatever he feels he needs more of (harem girls, courtesans, generals, etc.). Khalida hates Vampires and will go all over the world to kill them and ally with any non-vampire group (fuck, I'd shell out up to $40 for a comic about Khalida allying with Karl Franz to drive back a vampire invasion of Altdorf).

Game was shit, but the minis were god tier boats. The Vampire Counts ship is orgasm inducing. It's like 3 pirate ships smashed together around an actual stone castle on a hill.The Skaven ship is a giant dead sea monster they hollowed out and put warpstone machinery in.

Here's the Dwarf ship. It's a zeppelin launching aircraft carrier, with a mini zeppelin.The High Elf ship is a Dragon Ship that launches Dragons the exact same way.

I bought a set, and all the scenery, for $30 once. I really like naval armies so I tend to go with that as my army fluff and I've got a ship for every army I would ever play (and two High Elf ships, one in Cothique and one in Lothern colors!).

Daemons and Warriors of Chaos never got ships though. Neither did Beastmen or Wood Elves. Or Ogres.

>>26039421Dwarf ship, a piece of the scenery that came with the game (there was a lot of stuff, like an island made up of 6 castles, one giant castle island, a little town built on the back of a dead giant sea turtle, a town built on shipwreck wreckage, a sacrificial alter on a volcano, buncha shit), and the ship for the Chaos Dwarfs which was a giant Nautilus.

Vampire ship again.>>26039518Play a scenario.Find some rule, or else make some cardstock ships and move them like a very slow chariot against your opponent. Charge and deal twice whatever you choose as base damage and the rest to yourself, or board the ship by pulling alongside and treating the M score as a LD score and a failure means they fall in the water and have to pass a M check to get back onboard their ship or take 1 Wound.

I've always wanted to run a naval battle, but none of the guys at the shop I play at are into it. They prefer castle assaults.Don't get me wrong, I love a good castle assault or defense but still. I'm a sailor at heart (for real).

at the risk of being in the wrong thread, anyone know where i could get a pdf of 2nd ed fantasy roleplay? all i can find is the shitty 3rd ed that cant even be loaded properly with adobe and if rumor is true is unplayable without a bunch of bullshit

>>26039866This chick.>The ‘Graveyard Rose’ Elspeth von Draken, Magisterix of the Amethyst College and arch-wizard of the Lore of Death. Von Draken is born of a long bloodline touched by the Winds of Magic, a bloodline that has produced both heroes and monsters in its time, and the Dark Lady of Nuln is undoubtedly one of the most powerful Amethyst wizards of the age. >Appearing as a spectre of death, gowned in robes so black as to be woven from shadow and bearing a keening scythe forged with Dark magic, Magisterix von Draken has long been a hidden defender of the Empire, and her life and acts in its defence are shrouded in both secrecy and suspicion.>This model is a complete resin kit that depicts Elspeth von Draken riding a Carmine Dragon side saddle. She is seated on a towering throne etched with detailed iconography of the Amethyst College and surrounded by alchemical familiar-cherubs.