Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

Speaking of Delta, I flew on them from Denver-NYC and back as the domestic leg of a 2-week trip to Rome...my in-flight movie going out was "What to expect when you're expecting", and coming back it was "Battleship". Is that the WORST 1-2 punch of in-flight movies ever or what?!?!? A COMBINED 56% on RT...just ridiculous :(

I've been suggesting that you need to deport them further than the border. They know how to get back from there. It's like when you trap a mouse in your house, you don't just toss it out the front door.

Although I'd opt for something a little further than Mexico City. I was thinking Kabul. You know, someplace they really don't know how to get back to the US from.

ogle5431:Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

----------------------------------I don't think we should have OPEN borders. But currently, there is no way for Jose Blow in Mexico who wants to come here and make a living to actually do so. You know, the way our country was settled, and the way it became the nation it is today? That can't happen anymore. You have to have family here, or enough money to put down a bond, or have an employer who is willing to put down that bond. I'd like to see a program in which a prospective immigrant is given a background check, then is permitted to come here, provided he finds a job within a reasonable amount of time, stays out of trouble, and isn't a burden on society. After a period, they can get permanent resident status. As a side benefit, there would then be an incentive to actually integrate within society, because they would no longer have to live in fear of it.

Greek:ogle5431: Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.----------------------------------I don't think we should have OPEN borders. But currently, there is no way for Jose Blow in Mexico who wants to come here and make a living to actually do so. You know, the way our country was settled, and the way it became the nation it is today? That can't happen anymore. You have to have family here, or enough money to put down a bond, or have an employer who is willing to put down that bond. I'd like to see a program in which a prospective immigrant is given a background check, then is permitted to come here, provided he finds a job within a reasonable amount of time, stays out of trouble, and isn't a burden on society. After a period, they can get permanent resident status. As a side benefit, there would then be an incentive to actually integrate within society, because they would no longer have to live in fear of it.

oh will you just SHUT UP, YOU TIT. This is a FARK THREAD quit making SENSE.

Frankly, i think there should be some sort of just blanket criteria for amnesty.

"so let me get this straight, Mr. Latino immigrant from mexico, you came over here when you were 19, worked at manual labor jobs for years in fields and kitches, raised several kids who went through our school systems and our institutions, neither you nor they have ever had any issues with the police, youve kept your head down and worked and provided, and been doing so for 20 years? sounds good to me."

this is why things like the Dream Act make so much sense.

my wife's extended fam has some illegals in it, theyve been in Los Angeles forever, raised american kids... why are the kids not citizens? they were brought here as infants and are as american as anyone. they should have the ability to get citizenship easily. We as a country have invested in them with education and public services, why do we not want to reap the rewards of their labor by letting them fulfill their potential and go thru college if they can, or serve in our military, or whatever? And if they do, let them be citzens.

ogle5431:Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

I never understand why conservatives assume liberals support illegal immigration. We hate mexicans just as much as the next guy... its only hispanics themselves who fight to support illegal immigration.

Not until much later. Original population was English, German, Dutch, Scots and some Swedes. If you go to an older cemetery, you can see this clearly from the names.

The Irish and Southern Europeans (Italians, Greeks) came later. I don't know much about Jewish immigration, except that they generally came over from the above-mentioned countries. Apparently, this was nativist enough to get into the Confederacy anyway.

ogle5431:Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

Crops rotting in fields is a good reason to have a more lax immigration policy, at least. Georgia also had that problem after their immigration law was passed. We have the same problems here in California, and not just with the pears. All highly intensive harvesting suffers without the migrant farm workers, many of whom are indeed illegal.

/I don't wanna pay 10X more for something because people are skeered of teh Mexikunz //we can't all grow our own food, ya know

Real Women Drink Akvavit:ogle5431: Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

Crops rotting in fields is a good reason to have a more lax immigration policy, at least. Georgia also had that problem after their immigration law was passed. We have the same problems here in California, and not just with the pears. All highly intensive harvesting suffers without the migrant farm workers, many of whom are indeed illegal.

/I don't wanna pay 10X more for something because people are skeered of teh Mexikunz //we can't all grow our own food, ya know

Crops rotting isn't a good reasonf or a lax policy, it is good reason for a strong workable policy.

/Cost of labor for produce/fruits is some 4-7% of the cost, so at the high end if we paid the "workers" 10x as much produce would only go up 70%//we can grow all our own food, ya know

see, some people live in these things called "apartment buildings". Theyre like houses, except they have no yards which could be used for food growing. ANd they stack them on top of eachother and build them right next to one another for miles.

ogle5431:Good. I'm all for legal immigration, so please don't get me wrong. But I think it's ridiculous that we are the only country that gets shiat for wanting to enforce our immigration laws. Hopefully this plan works out and eventually we can figure out how to get some money out of these illegals to pay for their own damn ticket. I know some libtards will give me the tired 1/10 for trolling. Instead why don't you provide me with solid reasons why we should have open borders. I can't think of any.

The folks that run the meat packing industry, the restaurants, the farmers, the hotel service industry and most of the grounds maintenance and cleanup people would like to have a word with you. You're messing with their 'slave' labor force.

theMightyRegeya:sodomizer: It'll be nice to be a country of laws, not political statements, again.

But Obama hasn't done a darn thing to get rid of the illegals.

Do you mean illegal workers or illegal employers?

Instead of spending even more tax money on moving people around, why not focus on those illegal employers who provide the market draw for ths labor segment? Imprison a few agribusiness CEOs and seize the assets of a few construction companies; only then will we get reform. This could be solved n 180 days.

But no, it's easier to crush the neck of the disenfranchised slave-wage worker.

Real Women Drink Akvavit:Crops rotting in fields is a good reason to have a more lax immigration policy, at least. Georgia also had that problem after their immigration law was passed. We have the same problems here in California, and not just with the pears. All highly intensive harvesting suffers without the migrant farm workers, many of whom are indeed illegal.

Many of those "crops rotting in fields" that were picked up everywhere were written less than a week after some of these laws passed. And is it any surprise that farmers who make out big by using illegal immigrant labor wouldn't play it up to be a crisis? I don't seem to notice empty produce aisles at the grocery store this year despite these laws still being in effect. Where are the follow up stories?

lohphat:theMightyRegeya: sodomizer: It'll be nice to be a country of laws, not political statements, again.

But Obama hasn't done a darn thing to get rid of the illegals.

Do you mean illegal workers or illegal employers?

Instead of spending even more tax money on moving people around, why not focus on those illegal employers who provide the market draw for ths labor segment? Imprison a few agribusiness CEOs and seize the assets of a few construction companies; only then will we get reform. This could be solved n 180 days.

But no, it's easier to crush the neck of the disenfranchised slave-wage worker.

well, sure. they send the signal to the public that theyre "doing something" and doing their jobs, and they dont disenfranchise the people that keep them in power. its win win.

see, some people live in these things called "apartment buildings". Theyre like houses, except they have no yards which could be used for food growing. ANd they stack them on top of eachother and build them right next to one another for miles.

So you've never been a fan of context have you?

See we were talking about the US and the need or lack thereof for immigrant migrant workers, so the "we" in this case was not every single Us family but the USA wihtout illegal immigrants.