Work around it or roll right through/over it; there's nothing written in stone that says a person has to accept things they feel are detrimental. I don't accept selfish, self-absorbed people, whether they be black, brown, yellow or White. Just because someone is White and claims to work on behalf of White people doesn't mean they're sincere, it doesn't mean you just let their stupidity and ignorance slide, and it most certainly doesn't mean they know what the hell they're doing.

If there's one man over the years that I've come to respect more than any other, it's Pierce. Even though I never met him, I think he realized that someone has to be the outcast, the "loser." You not only have to recognize and name the losers, you have to make sure you are the seen as the one making the separation between yourself, your group and those losers. The public has to be fully convinced that you are the one with standards and some semblance of dignity and honor. The quicker you are to identify those that are destined to be infected, the quicker you can isolate them and save others from suffering the same fate as the outcast.

The bottom line is this:

If you're going to allow ignorant people and their shenanigans to speak for you, and then act surprised or angry because you are painted with the same brush, then you're even more ignorant.

Actually Pierce said (I think someone already mentioned this) that groups like these severed a purpose of attracting a certain type of people so they wouldn't come to the Alliance. I was there at the Leadership conference where he made that statement. Pierce himself came to the conclusions you mentioned of course by being with Rockwell's American Nazi Party group, he left his University Professor job to join the Nazi's in Arlington.

How do you plan on going about the distancing you describe, just on the internet or by joining the demonstrations against the NSM when the march or rally.

Nothing you wrote counters the fact there will always be groups like their's and if you find that to be a problem then you need to work around it.

Actually Pierce said (I think someone already mentioned this) that groups like these severed a purpose of attracting a certain type of people so they wouldn't come to the Alliance. I was there at the Leadership conference where he made that statement. Pierce himself came to the conclusions you mentioned of course by being with Rockwell's American Nazi Party group, he left his University Professor job to join the Nazi's in Arlington.

In that same speech I do believe he said it took him years to finally realize what others had known. Those groups do serve a purpose, but a passive attempt to separate does nothing but give others an easy way to put you in the same category.

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How do you plan on going about the distancing you describe, just on the internet or by joining the demonstrations against the NSM when the march or rally.

Start my own demonstration? Why would I allow anti-White demonstrators to get the chance to tell the public how crazy and idiotic some people are? Why do they[anti-Whites] get the easy jobs like telling the public that people parading around in America with 80-year-old German costumes are unbalanced? They get to be right and I get to be the guy pretending I don't notice the obvious.

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Nothing you wrote counters the fact there will always be groups like their's and if you find that to be a problem then you need to work around it.

If you want to work "around" something then that's your prerogative. But, if the shortest distance between two points is, indeed, a straight line, then working "around" something isn't my style. If nothing else in this world, I'm efficient; working around something just seems like too much wasted energy.

If you want to work "around" something then that's your prerogative. But, if the shortest distance between two points is, indeed, a straight line, then working "around" something isn't my style. If nothing else in this world, I'm efficient; working around something just seems like too much wasted energy.

You say your going over them or through them a straight line what does that mean exactly?

You say your going over them or through them a straight line what does that mean exactly?

I won't give you my sad attempt at philosophy(consider yourself lucky). I will, however, say that the world needs bad in order to convince itself of the good. The general public is going to find someone - a group - within any White "movement" to be the outcasts, freaks, and losers. I refuse to be the loser, but I will give them one when they need it.

This discussion is of course nothing new and will no doubt happen again and again.

Just let it go, there has been this style of NS since Rockwell raised the banner in Arlington in 1959 and they'll be with us a long time. Same goes for the Klan and the skinhead groups as well.

If a person really feels that it is a great harm to our cause than you had better learn to somehow work around it.

Let the success of each attempt to save our race stand on its own.

Those who choose the openly NS style need to understand that you must adjust if your going to a EURO Conference. And those who like a EURO Conference approach must understand that there are folks so enraged at what is going on that they will wear it on their sleeves and get in the oppositions face.

The success of our actions will decide whose approach is better not constant banter.

Hope y'all had success with the show let us know how it went. For the record the NSM style is not my style.

Ron,

Using your logic, one could then argue that those dips who recently wanted to wear white tuxedos to gun down a bunch of black schoolkids and then Obama , would have to be "accepted" and we would just have to " work around it".

Truth is this type of silliness had been pretty much wiped out in Europe and as a result they have had great advances in their political power. You wont see a bunch of costume wearers or even many skinheads at Nationalist events in Europe. Most of the guys look like normal young people, even perhaps a bit more clean cut and healthy than the average person.

If they can come down on these type of shenanigans and wipe it out for the better of their Cause as a whole, we can too.

Using your logic, one could then argue that those dips who recently wanted to wear white tuxedos to gun down a bunch of black schoolkids and then Obama , would have to be "accepted" and we would just have to " work around it".

Truth is this type of silliness had been pretty much wiped out in Europe and as a result they have had great advances in their political power. You wont see a bunch of costume wearers or even many skinheads at Nationalist events in Europe. Most of the guys look like normal young people, even perhaps a bit more clean cut and healthy than the average person.

If they can come down on these type of shenanigans and wipe it out for the better of their Cause as a whole, we can too.

Perhaps I'm being misunderstood, I never implied or at least didn't think I did that others must "accept" them. But rather that they do exist and will continue to exist and that is what the facts are accepted or not. I almost view some as making excuses why were not doing better with the public blaming it on the Nazi uniforms wearers, if there is any truth in that than they must learn how to work around it because they more than likely aren't going anywhere.

Earlier in this thread you mentioned a Documentary that was done on you and your family, I think I've seen two of them. I also saw a National Geographic program yesterday on American Nazi's, mostly it dealt with the NSM. Comparing yours with theirs I'd say theirs was no more damaging to WNism than yours. This despite your good efforts I'm sure for it not to be, as you admit in your post, you dressed normal, talked normal etc. and the end product wasn't any better. Your the last person on here I would have to explain to why that was the case.

In the end we must do what we think is best for our viewpoint, me included, but there is a wide range of opinions as to what exactly should be done. So rather than spend endless amounts of time going after each other as to the proper way let the success of those efforts determine that.