once Obama took office Bush was absolved of all of this, this is Obama's Iraq, Obama's recession, Obama's debt, and Obama's America and the Republicans could've let you all off the hook and came in and took over, and set this country on the right track, but Romney declined the Presidency after winning 313 electoral votes, because the only reason he was running was to show that he could win even while barely trying, intentionally making an idiot out of himself multiple times, and in general making a mockery of the whole process, so enjoy your final 4 years of the punishment the Republicans have given you, we'll come make it all better in 2016, if you deserve it.

neongoats:Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Sgt Otter:neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive. They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt. They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

kombi:Alphax: kombi: SO when British Intelligence told us about the WMD's. Gee Syria just launched chemical weapons today. And when these fake WMD's where shipped to the US via canada for destruction in the middle of the night. That was all faked? Listen the intelligence may not have been 100% but it still worked. Anyway we put Saddam in there, WE needed to remove him

Not sure if sane.

How? Very sane. You?

I wasn't asking you if you were sane.. you're not the one to make that determination.

In all honesty, when Dick Cheney dies, if he isn't some kind of evil monster for real, I hope they donate his body to science because I really want to know what the fark is wrong with him. Is a part of his brain just dead?

Yogimus:Before we get too carried away here, please remember that there WERE nerve agents in Iraq, which was the whole issue behind the whole U.N. inspection teams finding the storage areas unsealed after they secured them. Furthermore, the military has been steadily disposing those stockpiles since the war began.

Yogimus:Dr.Zom: Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

We'll never know what Cheney's Intel Unit was telling those guys behind the scenes. I distinctly remember one congressman saying Cheney's people told him Saddam had drones that could reach the east coast with nerve gas. Total BS, but scary. They wanted war, they got it, and they killed anybody who got in their way.

I've looked for that article since and it's pretty much gone down the memory hole like so much other stuff.

Still, they should have know they were liars. I could tell and I'm nobody.

Before we get too carried away here, please remember that there WERE nerve agents in Iraq, which was the whole issue behind the whole U.N. inspection teams finding the storage areas unsealed after they secured them. Furthermore, the military has been steadily disposing those stockpiles since the war began.

That's true. Bush did know Iraq had chemical weapons because his dad had the receipts.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive. They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt. They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.

My favorite was the other day when I saw a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker right next to one that said "Secede" overtop of the Texas flag. Some people are just baffling.

I always facepalmed at the "Women for Romney" bumper sticker. Because, as we all know, the GOP is very forward-thinking when it comes to women's issues.

Kurmudgeon:lolpix: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."

And yet as a Christian and a Democrat, I never supported Dubya, Dick or the GOP to the point I've lost family and friends over this issue. Bush 2 Administration bore false witness to wage war.That is not a Christian value. Oh well, I'm sure someone will knee jerk post this Sinclair Lewis quote inaccurately once again.

That's the point. They don't actually promote Christian or American values.. but they sure make people think they do.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

Liberals are devisive. They keep saying things that make good, honest people doubt. They're little satans, always tempting you with their "facts."

They have to be killed for America to be United.

My favorite was the other day when I saw a "Proud to be an American" bumper sticker right next to one that said "Secede" overtop of the Texas flag. Some people are just baffling.

gja:Alphax: gja: Alphax: gja: That is your opinion, you have a right to espouse it,

No, that wasn't opinion.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you are the Oracle and judge of all men!Let me retract my assertion that your thoughts/feelings are opinion and accept it as prima facia evidence with no need to qualify it whatsoever.(That's snark and sarcasm, for brevity's sake).

If Bush/Cheney go before a war trial, there will be a literal line of people who also need to follow suit. Not sure B.O. gets a 'PASS' by that qualification criteria.

You're wearing out your welcome fast.

Also, is that some sort of veiled threat?

Not a threat. But I've never seen you before this morning, and I'm already tired of you.

gja:Hobodeluxe: Yeah his race might have had something to do with getting into Harvard. I won't deny that. But he made the grades himself. He rose to the top of the class on his own.

You play the race card? Really? You need to leave that shiat at the door pal. I did not once intimate race as a factor. I don't care how he got in to Harvard.Why did you bring that up? Trying to project/deflect?Leave race out of this. All politicians are the same color to me.

never said you said anything about race. I just said it might have helped him get into Harvard. climb down off the cross

muck4doo:HotWingConspiracy: muck4doo: HotWingConspiracy: Without Fail: muck4doo: No, we hated how he spent. Why don't you look sometime at what actual conservatives say, and not just what you read every day at TPM.

You hated how Bush spent so much, that you reelected him, didn't you?

A true Fark Independent!

Yeah maybe if we had a list of pre-approved "actual conservatives", we would know what real conservative thought is. We had to rely on conservative media telling us that Bush was the most conservative to ever conserve since Reagan. Joke is on us I guess.

You have TPM and Daily Kos telling you what Conservatives really think. Keep riding that tard train.

Sorry, I don't visit those sites.

Where is your list of approved conservatives? Put up or shut up. I'm happy to bury you with quotes from prominent conservative thought merchants praising Bush for his conservative credentials. Up until they realized they couldn't polish that turd at least. Then they decided he must be a liberal.

Really. That's what asshats like you sound like to the rest of the world.

You're so upset, honey.

You got rooked like the rest of your idiot brethren, it's ok to admit it.

Here you are, claiming that you hated his spending and that there is some cabal of "actual" conservatives that agree with you, but you can't seem to name any of them. In an attempt to cover this up, you're typing in some pidgin language trying to claim that everyone else are media dupes. You're a special little guy and we're all proud of you, but sometimes we worry you're not taking your medicine.

M11618:sendtodave: M11618: Well he doesn't speak for me (Marine Infantry Vet) I see nothing heroic in writing a letter to 2 men who aren't popular about a war that the majority of Americans don't like now. You liked it in 2003. Whatever, I'm glad we went in.

So, you still like it?

Yes, I do still support the invasion of Iraq. Why don't you give it a few years and then see how it all falls out. Was WWII popular towards the end? They had to institute a draft, was it worth it? Was the civil war popular at the end? They had draft riots, a peace party wanting to make peace with the south almost won the election of 1864 (sack of Atlanta stopped that), 600,000+ Americans dead, and half the country destroyed. Was the civil war worth it? Why don't we see how Iraq turns out? I absolutely think it was the right thing and I volunteered for the infantry, went to Iraq, went into combat, and I would do it all over again if I had to.

Confabulat:I would iike for right-wingers to explain how they THOUGHT Iraq would look, back in 2003, when they envisioned 2013.

How close were you? Were you even a little close? Horseshoes close?

I think they envisioned it as being the Texas midlands, but within a days ride to Jesusland. American flags, humvees, and Hank and Peggy Hill shopping at the Baghdad Mega-lo-mart and swinging by the K(urdistan)FC for a bucket of drumsticks on the way home.

Suede head:Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I think George Bush is already pretty much broken. They say he stays inside all day and paints pictures of himself.

Saw a news story on that. I was surprised at the self-reflection his painting shows. I suspect he is coming to terms with his actions and isn't the total shiat head of popular belief.

Cheney, however, is Satan's representative on Earth.

Most reports suggest that he and Cheney essentially hate each other, and have no contact. Bush eventually realized he was being utterly manipulated by Cheney. In his 2nd term, he started pulling away, and Cheney grew to despise him.

I certainly don't excuse him, or pity him. He was an awful president, who made morally appalling choices, and the sticky blood of our troops in on his hands. But I do keep hoping that he will paint a more revealing nude of himself, because his body excites me with trembling, passionate electricity. Am I so wrong, when it feels so right?

Danger Avoid Death:Alphax: I'm not sure why a military response was felt to be appropriate after 9/11.. though it's what bin Laden wanted to happen. Even during 9/11, it seemed like the work of a James Bond villain. So, send in the superspies, right?

No. Send in the Bond Girls. Nothing drives religious nutjobs of any and every creed more bonkers than boobies.

Perhaps Xenia Onatopp could have squeezed bin Laden to death between her thighs..

Even a lot of conservatives have come to hate Bush and Cheney. But the fact that this guy served his country, got horribly injured and will end up dying because of it means he's not a real American? It's morons like you that make Fark entertaining, whether you're trolling or serious. Either way, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.

Whether you take obvious sarcasm at face value, or think it's just trolling, you come off looking really stupid and your party affiliation may have something to do with that.

You never know on Fark, people have some pretty wild opinions. And I don't have a party affiliation. But I wasn't really talking to you anyway, jackass.

Confabulat:Every American who supported that nonsense war and fell for their bullshiat, when it was plenty obvious even at the time there were major holes in their story, needs to apologize.

I farkin' stood out in the rain with an anti-war sign in traffic. I never do shiat like that but I knew bullshiat when I saw it.

What was your excuse?

That's the thing though, you didn't know, you were opposing Bush and Cheney for your own partisan reasons and / or you hate and oppose any war. The latter I respect much more than the former, but I respect them both. Intelligence organizations around the world were in agreement with our own, you weren't some genius out there in the rain protesting, your gut feeling was just.. well, right. I'll apologize to you, I'm sorry you got wet out there holding that sign accomplishing nothing.

Oh and this BS with if you supported the war. Your an idiot, Stupid, Dont think for your self. on and on and on. And if you where opposed to the war you are smart and forward thinking. Thats whats destroying this country. You could talk disagree and move on. Now if you disagree well you live in flyover country anyway so you dont matter. or well your a gun owner so you automatically are dumb and your opinion does not matter. Only the coast matter. We will tell you whats best. Cant we all just get along?

kombi:So you join the military. Get sick. Now pissed that you where expected to fight im a military action because well you joined the military. So today's military is just the post office. A bunch of guys that dont want to work. Dont want to do the job they volunteered for. Pick and choose what orders to follow. Well its definitely an example of the past few generations. Im sorry your sick. Im sorry your going out this way. I know your mad this is the way your going out. But grow a pair.

And get over it. This has been Obama war for what 5 years now. Has he pulled all the troops out no. And this war crimes crap needs to go away.

So you join the military. Get sick. Now pissed that you where expected to fight im a military action because well you joined the military. So today's military is just the post office. A bunch of guys that dont want to work. Dont want to do the job they volunteered for. Pick and choose what orders to follow. Well its definitely an example of the past few generations. Im sorry your sick. Im sorry your going out this way. I know your mad this is the way your going out. But grow a pair.

And get over it. This has been Obama war for what 5 years now. Has he pulled all the troops out no. And this war crimes crap needs to go away.

Generation_D:When do the easily deluded, easily conned followers get their share of the blame/credit for the military debacles of history?

Never. Its always those poor noble men and women who were led astray.

I wonder what you get out of framing it this way. Even I knew in 2003 invading Iraq was stupid; just about everyone I knew and talked to at the time did. But somehow, there were people in my group of friends who joined anyway. Apparently their reasoning is not something you are capable of understanding and in fact feel the need to crap on.... which frankly says more about you than them.

Sgt Otter:neongoats: Wadded Beef: In Bush's defense, I'm sure he had a "Support Our Troops" ribbon magnet on his truck.

And a "Power of Pride" sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Good jorb, you prideful shiatbags.

My favorite was seeing a UNITED WE STAND sticker next to a LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT sticker.

I laugh every time I see one of those. "Power of Pride". Yeah, exactly. Your GOP "Power of Pride" basically ruined an entire region, and the American economy. So when I see these faded, falling apart stickers on cars, the drivers eyes dead and soulless, I laugh. I laugh at how evil and stupid the GOP is. GOP pride made the world a worse place to be.

Generation_D:I knew better than to enlist at age 18. A lot younger. And now I, a functioning sane and un-f--ked up adult, only have to look on at all the glitter-tear ooh-rah bullsh*t that the military puts out to know I was right and all the people that fell for it were wrong.

It's fantastic when people turn an "I don't want to" decision into an "I was too smart for that" decision years after the fact.

He had me up until he said: "I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. "

So, he was making a major life decision based on a knee-jerk reaction to which he had no real information on other than the flurry of media info at the time. Then he got sent off to the admittedly wrong war, and now wants to biatch about it?

Here's an idea. Maybe wait more than 48 hours after a national tragedy so that you can get your emotions in check before deciding to sign your life away to the military to avenge something you really have no clue about at the time.

Gee. A letter damning GWB and Cheney. Who coulda seen this coming. And from an outfit called TruthDig.

What did this guy think was going to happen? Tiddlywinks and ticker tape parades? Qar is hell and if you sign up to be a soldier, you are probably going to see the Hell.

A tug on the heart-strings moment means no one criticizes, but the issue of taking America into war deserves a lot more seriousness than a letter from a veteran, whose opinion is at odds with so many other veterans.

Dr.Zom:Yogimus: You know what makes me weep? How everyone OTHER than those two get a complete pass.

/lookin at you congress

We'll never know what Cheney's Intel Unit was telling those guys behind the scenes. I distinctly remember one congressman saying Cheney's people told him Saddam had drones that could reach the east coast with nerve gas. Total BS, but scary. They wanted war, they got it, and they killed anybody who got in their way.

I've looked for that article since and it's pretty much gone down the memory hole like so much other stuff.

Still, they should have know they were liars. I could tell and I'm nobody.

Before we get too carried away here, please remember that there WERE nerve agents in Iraq, which was the whole issue behind the whole U.N. inspection teams finding the storage areas unsealed after they secured them. Furthermore, the military has been steadily disposing those stockpiles since the war began.

I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You chose to be part of a war machine?

Let me ask you one questionIs your money that good?Will it buy you salvation?Do you think that it could?I think you will findWhen your death takes its tollAll the money you've madeWill never buy back your soul.