who am i to judge the way you utilize English. it's not inconceivable that you were implying his trade value is so low that a dire situation has arisen. i can only respond to what has been posted.

why have you cast his trade value in stone? you don't know that his trade value is 1) low right now or 2) will remain low until he reaches the NHL. he's going to be playing on the top-pairing of a very good WHL team with next year's likely #1 or #2 overall pick (Seth Jones). lots of people will be watching him next year: if anything there's a good chance his trade value surpasses the average value of a player picked in the first-round (assuming his play warrants it).

we can't change the pick. might as well try to find the positives instead of taking every opportunity to disparage a teenager.

he doesn't have a higher ceiling but hes apparently close to NHL ready and he hasn't even played in the AHL yet. Pouliot is atleast 3 years away(most likely), if Pouliot has an awesome year, he'll be a lot higher next year

who am i to judge the way you utilize English. it's not inconceivable that you were implying his trade value is so low that a dire situation has arisen. i can only respond to what has been posted.

why have you cast his trade value in stone? you don't know that his trade value is 1) low right now or 2) will remain low until he reaches the NHL. he's going to be playing on the top-pairing of a very good WHL team with next year's likely #1 or #2 overall pick (Seth Jones). lots of people will be watching him next year: if anything there's a good chance his trade value surpasses the average value of a player picked in the first-round (assuming his play warrants it).

we can't change the pick. might as well try to find the positives instead of taking every opportunity to disparage a teenager.

Just reading the context of the sentence it's pretty clear what I meant.

And his trade value will be relatively low until he proves that he's an NHL player. That's just how the world works.

Just reading the context of the sentence it's pretty clear what I meant.

And his trade value will be relatively low until he proves that he's an NHL player. That's just how the world works.

You might have had more of a point if this summer a team like the Red Wings hadn't basically offered a roster spot to an unsigned draft pick only to lose his services to a different team in a high-profile (yet capped) bidding war. You don't think those teams chasing Schultz wouldn't have ponied up to acquire him in a trade if he didn't have the NCAA loophole?

You might have had more of a point if this summer a team like the Red Wings hadn't basically offered a roster spot to an unsigned draft pick only to lose his services to a different team in a high-profile (yet capped) bidding war. You don't think those teams chasing Schultz wouldn't have ponied up to acquire him in a trade if he didn't have the NCAA loophole?

Schultz is 22 and had a great career in college to go on top being a free agent, meaning those teams didn't have to give up a thing for him. Not only that but they were guaranteed to get him on a ELC.

Getting a player like that for free has great appeal. However, I highly doubt that any team would have traded a Neal type player for him.

he doesn't have a higher ceiling but hes apparently close to NHL ready and he hasn't even played in the AHL yet. Pouliot is atleast 3 years away(most likely), if Pouliot has an awesome year, he'll be a lot higher next year

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale

IMO, we'll find out at camp. That said they're completely different types of D so can't really compare them. But they will both fill a void if they make the team in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by MrBurgundy

Because right now he's the better defenseman and is closer to the NHL?

Thanks

I just thought that Pouliot would be higher because he has a much higher ceiling.

I just thought that Pouliot would be higher because he has a much higher ceiling.

He has a higher offensive ceiling. Dumoulin has the goods in terms of being a legit shut-down type player (slotting as a second pairing guy eventually) that Pouliot will never be. Like comparing Goligoski to Orpik, style-wise. Only in this case a more mobile and less likely to chase hits Orpik, and a more talented and physical Goligoski.

There is more to playing defense than racking up points. If he can get better in his own zone then I'll vote for him in the top 3, but not until then.

#offseasonsnark answer: thanks for the words of wisdom. i'll make sure to keep Eric "hot" Karlsson off my Norris ballot next year. you did say "he's done nothing yet," which is a far cry from "i want to see him get better in his own zone."