Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Friede

Prosaic waiting-for-my-"in preparation"-shipment thoughts...

I hesitated this time around too, entirely due to price. My question on S01E03's page about whether price would continue to fluctuate went unanswered, except by someone else speculating that price indicates the relative value of the juice -- er, that seems not have been borne out by E01 and E02's pricing.

My tiny professor-salary would love it if this "experience" had a lower bar to entry!

I'm just curious how my speculation that the price varies with the relative price of the perfume is incorrect. S01E01 was $50 for 30 ml, and the revealed product's price was $80 for 50 ml or $80 for 100 ml. S01E02 was $25 for 30 ml and the revealed
product's price was $60 for 3.4 oz (approx 100 mL). The more expensive perfume was sold for more prior to the reveal. I didn't say it was a direct dollar for dollar conversion - just that more expensive fragrances would be sold for more $, professor.

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Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

Interesting comments about art and emotion. Its a topic I have strong feelings about, LOL. A while back, while participating in a philosophy forum, I spent some time trying to come up with a definition of art that I could live with. What I came up with was "the creation of beauty through intelligence." To break it down, beauty exists in the world, but I don't think it can be called art unless it reflects a human creative influence (i.e. intelligence in my conception). In that forum, there was a lot of discussion of modern/post-modern "art" and whether it really is art. Some of it can be really ugly or mundane, and that sort of comes crashing up against my criteria that art is beauty...but not really, if you include an emotional reaction that is "beautiful." (Note that I'm not a scholar of aesthetics...I just know a lot of artists, and wanted to have a better way to understand art myself. There are probably better or more useful definitions out there, I just haven't seen them.)

I mention this as a preface for the comment I wanted to make about emotional reactions to perfume (assuming it is art and not craft). I imagine the appreciation of "perfume art" splits along highbrow and lowbrow lines like any other art form. Is the fragrance the equivalent of a work by Thomas Kincade, for example, eliciting all sorts of maudlin emotions, or is it a more like Francis Bacon, whose paintings I find disturbing, frightening, and not beautiful. Or is it like Picasso, sometimes "pretty" sometimes not, but always beautiful. I have a feeling most mainstream fragrances, to the extent they aim to be artistic at all, are aiming to be "Painters of Light" like Kincade.

I do find S01E03 beautiful, although I think it appeals more to my intellect than my emotions. So I haven't spent much time thinking about how it makes me feel.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Irina

LOL you're evil I must say that hosting seems more fun than sniffing

BIG NEWS: I received my decant!!!!

So far I'm baffled as it smells soooo familiar, so easy going and so macrocyclic and yet I have no idea what it is, not the fragrance, nor the familiar musk *hanging head in shame* I think it might be a 'captive' mix, it breathes 'Givaudan' to me.

I do think the top notes are from the less familiar citruses like litsea, lemon myrtle or cedrat. Imo there is no orange there, but might have some orange blossom (natural or synths). A very classical smart cologne with indeed the high buzzing note of a huge musk + indeed Iso E Super cos MAJOR headache upon just sniffing the cap of the atomizer. Probably some kephalis, hedione and isoraldeine too, major diffusive characters that may be responsible for some of the buzzing.

The image that immediately pops into my head is 'Christian Grey', indeed from 'Fifty Shades of Grey':

Glad you're digging into the citrus. I think that's very cool (and very believable, IMO) that you can diagnose Iso E Super by the diagnostic headache. Several women here get the exact same thing. I just get a sporadic "feeling" in my head from it, but it's not consistent enough to really call it trustworthy.

So you think it's a musk + Iso that gives it the buzzing? That's very interesting!!! And you mention hedione, too. Are there certain components used intentionally for the buzzing, or is it more of a "side-effect"? Fascinating stuff!!!

Whip smiley? You need to whip rogalal for making ladies wear Old Spice!

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

I started using unscented personal care products about the same time I became a full-fledged perfumista, so I don't have to deal with clashing scents. However, several years ago a encountered a massage oil whose scent I LOVED! I wrote to the company asking if I could obtain some of the fragrance oil, and got a very nice response from the owner of the (small) company explaining that he had been involved in developing that scent and loved it too. He sent me an ounce of the fragrance oil, and several other body products gratis. Its so nice to encounter people who enjoy scent as much as you do!

I like this idea. I've tried it a time or two before, but a few of the products gave me headaches. I wonder if their is something put in them to make them unscented that my body doesn't like(like a fabreze type of thing). I'll definitely try fragrance free again, but probably do some research before I pick my products.

The question that women casually shopping for perfume ask more than any other is this: "What scent drives men wild?" After years of intense research, we know the definitive answer. It is bacon. Now, on to the far more interesting subject of perfume.
― Tania Sanchez, Perfumes: The Guide

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Okay, I'm taking the decant to work, see what others smell In the group thread (see siggy) I wrote more about the ingredients and buzzing. And also wrote some of my Grey impressions on Katie Puckrick's blog and been laughed at LOL (no group cohesion there that's for sure

What surprised me most was the subjectivity/objectivity of experiencing the juice with a blindfold. For some reason I could keep the blindfold on (that's why I keep falling back to S&M descriptions, this is so familiar!). The discussions here nor Chandler's description really fit my feeling. So I felt free to fly solo and just smell and experience.

I really think the juice includes ingredients to which some people may be anosmic to (like the musks). That is the only way I can understand the huge difference between the descriptions.

There are 2 things I know for sure: 1 this is art, 2 I need a FB of this stuff!

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

E03 has brought me to an interesting place, I'm bored with it.

So I'm beginning to wonder what that means for me. Was it that there isn't a lot of there there and I'm just tired of over analyzing the olfactory equivalent of a monochromatic study.
Or is this just not my type of olfactory art? I can recognize the skill but it doesn't grab me.
I am pretty sure I've smelled it before but I don't think i own it because I think whenever I tried it it didn't grab me enough to want to hang in my perfume gallery.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man

E03 has brought me to an interesting place, I'm bored with it.

I'm not bored with it yet, although I can see how you could be, especially if you wear a full application. I've been wearing it almost every day, but just the smallest amount so that I just catch the scent occasionally.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man

E03 has brought me to an interesting place, I'm bored with it.

So I'm beginning to wonder what that means for me. Was it that there isn't a lot of there there and I'm just tired of over analyzing the olfactory equivalent of a monochromatic study.
Or is this just not my type of olfactory art? I can recognize the skill but it doesn't grab me.
I am pretty sure I've smelled it before but I don't think i own it because I think whenever I tried it it didn't grab me enough to want to hang in my perfume gallery.

Anyone else feeling this way or am i the only one?

Since I know what it is I can say im bored with it also. I also was bored with it from pretty much the first time i smelled it last year. I knew it smelled really great and was high quality, but thats not enough for me to ... . .... ......

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And also wrote some of my Grey impressions on Katie Puckrick's blog and been laughed at LOL (no group cohesion there that's for sure

I think it's a fascinating world where one can discuss perfumes gently with the stiffs at the Basenotes Club, or go hang out at Katie's Saloon de Parfum and take your chances on a bit more action!

Originally Posted by Irina

What surprised me most was the subjectivity/objectivity of experiencing the juice with a blindfold. For some reason I could keep the blindfold on (that's why I keep falling back to S&M descriptions, this is so familiar!). The discussions here nor Chandler's description really fit my feeling. So I felt free to fly solo and just smell and experience.

Yes, I'm glad that my blindfold finally stayed on this time!

Originally Posted by Irina

I really think the juice includes ingredients to which some people may be anosmic to (like the musks). That is the only way I can understand the huge difference between the descriptions.

I'm getting a lot more than just Chandler's artistic lessons out of these sniffs. I'm learning a great deal about how people as a whole actually perceive things.

Originally Posted by Irina

There are 2 things I know for sure: 1 this is art, 2 I need a FB of this stuff!

You shall soon have your wish! I may opt for a small bottle - we'll see.....

Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man

E03 has brought me to an interesting place, I'm bored with it.

So I'm beginning to wonder what that means for me. Was it that there isn't a lot of there there and I'm just tired of over analyzing the olfactory equivalent of a monochromatic study.
Or is this just not my type of olfactory art? I can recognize the skill but it doesn't grab me.
I am pretty sure I've smelled it before but I don't think i own it because I think whenever I tried it it didn't grab me enough to want to hang in my perfume gallery.

Anyone else feeling this way or am i the only one?

Absolutely. I'm bored with it in the same way that I am with 80-90% of what I see in any art exhibition. It's one of the pieces which are pleasant and interesting for a moment. Every new picture, sculpture, or presentation brings the fresh possibility of something to fall in love with. But in the end, only a few pieces in the exhibit will stay with me for life. Perhaps one or two will touch me deeply. This was not one of those.

I was already well-acquainted with S01E01, so that was interesting but nothing new. Chandler's take was an interesting new perspective. S01E03 is also interesting in that it was a great lesson. But the one which affected me most deeply was store-bought Mugler Cologne, approximated by S01E02. MC is one of the pieces I will remember for life.

I'm already excited about S01E04, to be honest. NEXT! (Seriously, I almost don't give a crap about the reveal. Now THAT is not what I expected.)

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

I think it's a fascinating world where one can discuss perfumes gently with the stiffs at the Basenotes Club, or go hang out at Katie's Saloon de Parfum and take your chances on a bit more action!
I'm already excited about S01E04, to be honest. NEXT! (Seriously, I almost don't give a crap about the reveal. Now THAT is not what I expected.)

I guess we choose unctuous over arch. It is sad that Katie's Saloon is so dull that the patrons need to come here for entertainment.

I'm ready for S01E04 too - this was more entertainment than I've gotten from a fragrance in a long time.

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Originally Posted by Irina

I really think the juice includes ingredients to which some people may be anosmic to (like the musks). That is the only way I can understand the huge difference between the descriptions.

I wonder if the musk dissipates on my skin. I hadn't applied any fragrance today, and was sniffing the nozzle on the bottle and it reminded me of L'Air du Rien. BIG musk. But once I apply it on my skin, the citrus and then the woods come to the front, the musk seems to fade.

I still don't get the cigarette packet/cellophane comparisons. Leather, sure, but not cigarettes unless they're smoking a different kind than I did.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Cool! So it has become more about the journey than about the destination.

And isn't that true of most of the sampling and sniffing we do? We just want to experience new smells; this is apart from any wish we may have to acquire new bottles.

Yes, I'm really happy to have gotten to this stage. I think this is very close to the pure enjoyment of fragrance for its own sake.

I know there has been criticism of the idea that Chandler hasn't removed ALL of the labeling (or has replaced some of it with his own), but I have to say - removing 95% of it works wonders.

And that last 5% is debatable. Yes, it's true that these fragrances are slightly tinged with "Chandler thinks they're worthy". But honestly - if that's 5% labeling, nobody is reading that part of the label anyway. I see nothing but disagreement with authority day in and day out on Basenotes. Only the n00biest of n00bs cares what anybody else thinks. We only work on how to be more diplomatic in our disagreement. Honesty in fragrance is the hallmark of the post-n00b. So I contend that the label is utterly gone.

Some of that is undoubtedly due to the fact that there is one teacher and a hell of a lot of us class rowdies in here.

Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

I guess we choose unctuous over arch. It is sad that Katie's Saloon is so dull that the patrons need to come here for entertainment.

Has the Anonymous Kid been shooting up the floors again over at Katie's place? Tarnation!

Seriously, I looked over there and didn't see any LOLs at Irina - somebody must have cleaned up the mess.

Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

I'm ready for S01E04 too - this was more entertainment than I've gotten from a fragrance in a long time.

Yes - I have paid a lot more and gotten a lot less out of fragrances. This is working for me!

Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

I wonder if the musk dissipates on my skin. I hadn't applied any fragrance today, and was sniffing the nozzle on the bottle and it reminded me of L'Air du Rien. BIG musk. But once I apply it on my skin, the citrus and then the woods come to the front, the musk seems to fade.

I still don't get the cigarette packet/cellophane comparisons. Leather, sure, but not cigarettes unless they're smoking a different kind than I did.

There is a real nozzle-smell on this stuff. I didn't realize what it was, though. Very interesting.

LOL - the cigarette thing is something I got, too, but I really had to try to recall that smell you get right when you open up the cellophane. A very faint paper/tobacco, that is a real distortion of the smell of the cigs themselves. I think it makes a good analogy for me at least, because the tobacco note is so faint to my nose.

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Katie has said she's not going to run a thread on SO1E04. She only just received a decanted sample of #3 a few days ago. ( She lives in the UK now ?)

And absolutely nothing is going on on Chandler's OpenSky FB thread.

So I was wondering.....if BN is the only place where any real discussion is going on, and Chandler is mostly hooked up with OpenSky, will he feel that the project is worth moving forward with ?

Maybe there's some other location where there's a discussion going on. I'm not sure. Perhaps there is.

But if we're the only one, will Chandler still think it's worth it to continue ?

The show must go on!

Seriously, a good question - but I think it will go on. Remember - there are a lot of lurkers. And each new fragrance is its own story. If the next one looks like a style that's been neglected so far, there could be a real spike in interest.

So I do hope there is an S01E04. Very much!

More than that, the show is going on in two more ways I just found out about:

(1) The Museum is organizing a sniffing event in NYC in September, in conjunction with IFF. I just got an email about it. I am certain that some of the people who are either on this thread or following it will want to go. I will probably post a thread about this later. If I can possibly convince any of you people to do this, I will try. This is priced right for people like us - they have to be taking a loss on this, but it's basically for the Museum. I will just say this for now - I have met the people who are doing this thing, and they're wonderful, amazing folks, who you read about in my articles. This is your chance to meet them and learn from them. This is much more nerdy and of interest to perfumistas than the next item, though some of the die-hards will love that, too.

Here is info for the event in question. If you are interested, PM me a regular email address, and I will auto-forward the email I got (it has a forwarding link). They need 20 people minimum and 30 maximum. I don't know if they even have openings still, but I just got it, so......

Indulge your senses with a visit to the IFF International Flavors & Fragrances Headquarters with an expert perfumer in New York City; enjoy a private tour by a Director at the IFF Botanical Garden near the New Jersey shoreline; and end the day with a ‘scent-based’ spirits pairing and creation of a scent profile at MiN New York in SoHo!

$200 MAD Members/$240 Non-Members

To register, please download the registration form here. A completed registration form and full
payment must be received by Friday, September 14, 2012. Please e-mail completed form to [email protected] or fax to 212.299.7701. For trip-related questions, please contact
Lauren Gibbs at 212.299.7732.

Like I said - highly recommended. I hope they fill it up.

(2) The Museum has just announced the opening gala for the Art of Scent exhibit. A bit pricey - this is more for people who want to be patrons of the Museum and schmooze with the olfactorati. It includes one of Chandler's famous scent dinners. Now this thing may be a little ritzy for some of us, but the normal opening day should be at roughly the same time, I'd gather, and that presumably isn't going to be as exclusive. But if you've ever had a hankering to get close to the core of perfumery in a big way, no chance like this one. This is a big deal.

This is in late November. My boss says I have to take some vacation this year, so I'm probably hitting either the IFF trip or the exhibit opening. (My wife will bean me over the head if I even talk about the gala event!)

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I think the majority of the people participating in this are doing it quietly by themselves. The other perfume blogs and such seem to be getting lots of comments after the reveal, but it looks like we're the ones talking about it the most during the actual sniffs.

I'm not necessarily bored with Untitled 3, but it's lost some of its luster. I feel like I know it now. I've lived with it in different quantities and in different weather and I think I basically understand it. I've completely lost Chandler's tuning fork analogy, as it has three very distinct and very different stages on me (tutti fruity top, metallic aquatic middle, and sweet spiced patchouli base) - whatever it was that felt like a synthetic "spike" running through the life of the fragrance is now lost to me, as though I only sensed it at first because I'd been told to. I also no longer think of it as a citrus aquatic (I think that was me struggling to make it more like my first incorrect guess). Honestly, I'd call it a fruity floral at this point, though the flowers are hidden (jasmine for sweetness, maybe some of those aquatic chemicals are lilac or something...).

I had a couple of hours in the city this afternoon and made a point of sniffing all the guesses people had posted here. Honestly, now that we've all abandoned our first guesses, there's really no reason to speak in code any more, but those who don't even want what-it's-not spoilers may want to stop reading now....

So, my first guess was Happy For Men. Yes, I know. But it eventually failed because Happy was more citrus-driven and not tropical like Untitled, and Happy ended up having more of a tuning-fork synthetic spike to it than Untitled, also. I actually believe, in all honesty, that Happy was a much better fit for Chandler's descriptions than Untitled 3. A quick trip through Barneys verified that this really isn't Cologne Bigarade. CB has Ellena's signature oranges with cumin and is simultaneously simpler and smarter than Untitled 3. And Eau de Merveilles has that signature Eau de Merveilles smell, that 3-D day-glo moss that defines it, which isn't at all like Untitled 3. I thought of Byredo Pulp, but that turned out to be basically just a yuzu bomb, so that didn't match either.

Honestly, I have no idea what this is. If Chandler hadn't specifically said it was niche, I'd be sniffing the Escada counter at Macys and hunting down Paris Hilton flankers.

Honestly, the thing I'm most looking forward to about the reveal is seeing where I was wrong. With Mugler Cologne, I've always considered it a benchmark for neroli + vetiver, and I missed the neroli sniffing it blind and thus had no idea what it was. I want to know what I'm missing now. Is there fig in there? This isn't Womanity, is it? A huge slug of rose that I'm missing? I'm looking forward to the embarrassing facepalm and the learning opportunity that will hopefully happen at the reveal.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by rogalal

I'm looking forward to the embarrassing facepalm and the learning opportunity that will hopefully happen at the reveal.

Me too!

I'm feeling a bit under the weather since last night, so my emotions are a bit wacky atm. It's 'alone in the lab day' today so pretty slow and tedious and I can't smell much or talk to colleagues. But 4 other colleagues (1 of them just like me in training and 3 others from different departments) did smell E03 without any idea of what it might be. The reactions were as varied as here from: 'yuck lemon cigarettes' to 'cheap cologne' to 'hm interesting'.
Sure the technical part was not so difficult, although the musk is a mixture, not just Globalide + Habanolide+Helvetolide, that made us budding perfumers think 'white musk' and Alberto Morillas (which is funny as he also did MC!). Unfortunately I do not own any Comme des Garcons, as that was the direction I was looking into, but couldn't get any samples in such short notice.

And then I came home and felt tired and not well so I switched off my technical analytic brain and just sniffed and enjoyed.
Truly E03 puts a huge smile on my face, makes me feel happy and sexy and 'wanting' (I really try to keep it real, guys, without embarrassing myself as I did on Katie's blog *blush*)

I really hope the project will go on! I know I will do my best to keep on participating and writing about it here and in the group.
As for the IFF tour in NY I truly recommend it to everyone, it's mind blowing! (Red, wasn't you that wrote that lovely article about it?)

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by rogalal

I think the majority of the people participating in this are doing it quietly by themselves.

Me too!

Originally Posted by rogalal

I'm not necessarily bored with Untitled 3, but it's lost some of its luster. I feel like I know it now. I've lived with it in different quantities and in different weather and I think I basically understand it. I've completely lost Chandler's tuning fork analogy, as it has three very distinct and very different stages on me (tutti fruity top, metallic aquatic middle, and sweet spiced patchouli base) - whatever it was that felt like a synthetic "spike" running through the life of the fragrance is now lost to me, as though I only sensed it at first because I'd been told to. I also no longer think of it as a citrus aquatic (I think that was me struggling to make it more like my first incorrect guess). Honestly, I'd call it a fruity floral at this point, though the flowers are hidden (jasmine for sweetness, maybe some of those aquatic chemicals are lilac or something...).

I really wanted to stay focused on the tuning fork, so I intentionally avoided defocusing. You were braver than I was.

Did. Not. Look at your guesses - except for the first.

Originally Posted by rogalal

I'm looking forward to the embarrassing facepalm and the learning opportunity that will hopefully happen at the reveal.

LOL! Here's to many embarrassing facepalms!

Originally Posted by Irina

Truly E03 puts a huge smile on my face, makes me feel happy and sexy and 'wanting' (I really try to keep it real, guys, without embarrassing myself as I did on Katie's blog *blush*)

In the end, I think that most people are not so embarrassed for others saying how they feel, as they are for realizing that they themselves don't have the courage of the perfumer. Blush on, Sister!

Originally Posted by Irina

I really hope the project will go on! I know I will do my best to keep on participating and writing about it here and in the group.
As for the IFF tour in NY I truly recommend it to everyone, it's mind blowing! (Red, wasn't you that wrote that lovely article about it?)

Okay, need to get back to work.
Laters baby

Yes - I met Veronique at the Speed Smelling event, and Ron, the headmaster of their perfumery school, when I visited the Manhattan Creative Center. This is like getting to live that article, only more. This time, I think the day includes the botanical gardens, some actual lab sniffing with Ron, and something else I dare not look up on my iPad, or I'll lose this post. And then it ends up with a private scent party at MiN, basically. The full agenda is in that email - that's why I'm offering to forward it. My visit to IFF was something of a life-changing event as a perfumista. That's why I'm so encouraging on this. This would be an ultimate fragrance vacation, and reasonably priced, too. Noseneyland vacation!

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LOL Red! I plainly asked on Katie's blog what 'anonymous' + Dan meant by calling the BN bunch here "unctuous", as I had to look the damned word up Basically they call us 'ass-kissers' which I thought it was rather rude and made me feel stupid, that I even shared there. Aka 'double face palm'

Anyways yes, I totally agree, the IFF NY bunch are very lovely indeed. The whole insiders experience with the perfume industry made me change so many of my previous views on commercialization, mass fragrance, perfumers, IFRA. Now I simply cannot longer give any fragrance a thumbs down, I'm just in awe. So ok, maybe Katie's saloon was right: I love me some ass-kissing LOL

Also looking forward to the other BN blind sniff, see if even without CB's endorsement I can still enjoy the blindfold.

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Hello fellow unctuous fans of Untitled.

I have some news which I hope will be embraced by the people on this thread. Chandler would really like some questions from the people who have been actively talking about this project before the reveal next Tuesday. I told Chandler most of us were really sick of all the Open Sky spam we've received. So he has created an e-mail to encourage questions prior to the reveal. He is ready to take any and all questions we might have including criticisms. By sending them in before the reveal it will allow for Chandler to make sure he actually can spend appropriate time to answer some of them. All he asks is that you use a first name and the city you live in.
The e-mail address is: [email protected]
I know there will be a question from Mark in Poolesville, MD about the verbal packaging.
I hope everyone else will join in and add in their questions because I believe it is this group of people who can really help illuminate this project to the people who watch the Spreecast.
There has been a lot of great conversation here let's share it with those who are not Basenoters.

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Originally Posted by Irina

LOL Red! I plainly asked on Katie's blog what 'anonymous' + Dan meant by calling the BN bunch here "unctuous", as I had to look the damned word up Basically they call us 'ass-kissers' which I thought it was rather rude and made me feel stupid, that I even shared there. Aka 'double face palm'

Dictionary attack!

I respond with.....

Thesa[u]ron!

Go, Thesauron! Beat Team Redact!

Originally Posted by Irina

Anyways yes, I totally agree, the IFF NY bunch are very lovely indeed. The whole insiders experience with the perfume industry made me change so many of my previous views on commercialization, mass fragrance, perfumers, IFRA. Now I simply cannot longer give any fragrance a thumbs down, I'm just in awe.

You're right. The more one knows about the effort and care (even love) that goes into fragrances in general, the easier it is to respect not only other people's pet fragrances, but even all the "stuff" that surrounds making them on a massive scale.

Originally Posted by Irina

So ok, maybe Katie's saloon was right: I love me some ass-kissing LOL

LOL!

Honestly, we haven't been THAT nice to Chandler. I mean, we talk about him as if he isn't even in the room. Doing the same to the guy in the next cube at work would be rude as hell.

Although I have to admit that I *love* the word unctuous. There should be no leather hotpants that are not completely "unctuous" (having a "greasy" or "soapy" feel). Oh, ___yeah___.

Hmmm. Maybe they intended unctuous as a compliment!

Originally Posted by Irina

Also looking forward to the other BN blind sniff, see if even without CB's endorsement I can still enjoy the blindfold.

(peace out with another whiff of E03, hmmmmm so yummmm!)

Yes, blind sniffage is very "in" right now, that is FOR SURE!

Go get 'em!

Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man

Hello fellow unctuous fans of Untitled.

This word is definitely getting some play!

I'm wondering if dictuous and trictuous might be even more the "playas"!

Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man

I have some news which I hope will be embraced by the people on this thread. Chandler would really like some questions from the people who have been actively talking about this project before the reveal next Tuesday. I told Chandler most of us were really sick of all the Open Sky spam we've received. So he has created an e-mail to encourage questions prior to the reveal. He is ready to take any and all questions we might have including criticisms. By sending them in before the reveal it will allow for Chandler to make sure he actually can spend appropriate time to answer some of them. All he asks is that you use a first name and the city you live in.
The e-mail address is: [email protected]
I know there will be a question from Mark in Poolesville, MD about the verbal packaging.
I hope everyone else will join in and add in their questions because I believe it is this group of people who can really help illuminate this project to the people who watch the Spreecast.
There has been a lot of great conversation here let's share it with those who are not Basenoters.

Awesome! Great idea. Thanks for getting the word to us on this, Mark. I have a couple of questions I definitely want to ask!

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Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

Thanks for getting the word to us on this, Mark. I have a couple of questions I definitely want to ask!

I want to add, guys, that no one's limited to questions. Comment on E03, or E02 or E01 as well, or on the philosophy of the series or on the artists' other works, critique, describe, whatever you want. Mark and I will respond live. He or I may disagree with you, and we'll say so, but we may also agree that you've made the most insightful comment about the work in the entire discussion. Bring it.

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LOL, Red that is so funny, gooooo team! (now I must find out if I can get me some of thesaron to smell!)

Even now more relevant as the topic on Katie's blog is now closed for comments and she won't be participating in the reveal! *jaw drop* I will ask Chandler about that, although I might have an idea why. Together with many
other questions Hope to get it done before the deadline of the reveal!

Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

You're right. The more one knows about the effort and care (even love) that goes into fragrances in general, the easier it is to respect not only other people's pet fragrances, but even all the "stuff" that surrounds making them on a massive scale.

Totally agree!

Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

There should be no leather hotpants that are not completely "unctuous" (having a "greasy" or "soapy" feel). Oh, ___yeah___.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Perfume_Addict

According to post #198, the reveal will be on Tuesday. Presumably because Monday is a holiday.

Ow I missed that too, thank you for the reminder. That is rather late, meaning that E04 would possible be released on September 5th, at the soonest. Looking forward on what CB has to say, I emailed a few questions.

The first perfume strip with E03 on it is still smelly after 4 days!, so the longevity is great, probably due to Ambroxan as one of the base ingredients, which also explains the faint paper and tobacco notes better to me.

More on point, I did receive a sample. I must admit I am new to analyzing fragrance [my articulation cannot match yours]. My first experience gave me a shrill blast that had an unpleasant linger. As I was about to get into a car for a two-hour trip with others, I went light with application. It seemed disjointed (I don't get the tuning analogy from this either) and there is an unpleasant chemical note that will not fade. Perhaps my appreciation for the technical virtuosity of that quality is underdeveloped.

As my last two experiences with the project weren't pleasant (Mungler wasn't my taste at all), I'm abandoning ship.

Discover The Art of Scent with curator Chandler Burr as your guide. As he discusses the works showcased in this exhibition, Burr will illuminate the breakthrough process of creating this first-of-its-kind presentation of olfactory art.

Tracing the history of raw materials, their use, and the evolution of natural and synthetic materials in scent, Chandler Burr, curator of the recently opened exhibition Scent, joins leading figure in the world of perfume, Sumit Bhasin, for an evening long participatory lecture. Presenting the audience with samples of these raw materials, Burr and Bhasin will discuss the astonishing growth of the olfactory palette and the way these new materials have changed the works of scent art.

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After rereading Ellena's little book on perfume, if this is his work, I will find a hat and eat it.

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Read something old and smelly? Come across an interesting historical reference to smell? Contact me!

More on point, I did receive a sample. I must admit I am new to analyzing fragrance [my articulation cannot match yours]. My first experience gave me a shrill blast that had an unpleasant linger. As I was about to get into a car for a two-hour trip with others, I went light with application. It seemed disjointed (I don't get the tuning analogy from this either) and there is an unpleasant chemical note that will not fade. Perhaps my appreciation for the technical virtuosity of that quality is underdeveloped.

As my last two experiences with the project weren't pleasant (Mungler wasn't my taste at all), I'm abandoning ship.

Sorry that it's not working for you. If it's any consolation, I think that the point of these examinations isn't necessarily to enjoy the fragrances, as it is to find and recognize patterns that somebody else has seen, and which are tightly coupled with both creative intention and technical innovation. So don't feel bad at all for not finding these compositions pleasant. Even as I find both interesting and pleasant aspects, I am running into unpleasant ones at the same time.

And don't be hard on yourself. I contend that all humans are basically nose-blind, or at least unable to interpret olfactory signals with any real power.

Originally Posted by Irina

Yes, I believe there was some kind of drama between CB and Katie and now she deleted everything and won't participate in any way. It's a pity really. But I guess that is how internet and ego's work

Whatever the reason, I will continue to love Katie no matter what. She is a breath of fresh air in the olfactory world, and is the Aphrodite of my olfactory pantheon. Whatever happens in her perfumed clouds, nobody can change how I feel about her, or what she has done for fragrance.

I hope that nothing we said or did here contributed to this, though I suspect it would be impossible for us not to have affected things in some ways. Just for clarification, in case it wasn't obvious, my reference to "Katie's Saloon" was perhaps more of a compliment than everybody realized. Nobody who understands my roots would doubt that. I truly appreciate the fact that there was a livelier place than Basenotes where this was being discussed, even if I'm a bit too sensitive to go there. Deep down, I guess I'm a bit of a tenderfoot, and afraid to venture into the livelier parts of town. But if Katie wishes to reconsider reposting her threads, I would be completely behind it. The fragrant world cannot be anything but a lonelier place without her, and her posse.

Discover The Art of Scent with curator Chandler Burr as your guide. As he discusses the works showcased in this exhibition, Burr will illuminate the breakthrough process of creating this first-of-its-kind presentation of olfactory art.

Tracing the history of raw materials, their use, and the evolution of natural and synthetic materials in scent, Chandler Burr, curator of the recently opened exhibition Scent, joins leading figure in the world of perfume, Sumit Bhasin, for an evening long participatory lecture. Presenting the audience with samples of these raw materials, Burr and Bhasin will discuss the astonishing growth of the olfactory palette and the way these new materials have changed the works of scent art.

Bless you, Friede! My wife is already putting her foot down on those more expensive options, and I like being married too much to try moving it.

Originally Posted by Friede

Potentially more on-topic:
After rereading Ellena's little book on perfume, if this is his work, I will find a hat and eat it.

LOL!!! I hear you, but I'd also love to hear you elaborate after the reveal!

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Looks like I'm signed up for the talk tickets, so I'll be there for the opening event, too. I've been waiting for this for a long time. Wouldn't miss it for the world.

WOO-HOO! I'm excited already!

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And one more off-topic thought. If anybody in NYC can possibly get to these classes in that Olfactory Engineering series, you absolutely must consider it. OMG. This is like taking hands-on, painting appreciation classes with living masters. My jaw simply drops. If I lived there, I would have signed up yesterday.

Visitors to the city should note that these are on Saturday afternoons as well.

Re: Chandler Burr Untitled S01E03

Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

If it's any consolation, I think that the point of these examinations isn't necessarily to enjoy the fragrances, as it is to find and recognize patterns that somebody else has seen, and which are tightly coupled with both creative intention and technical innovation. So don't feel bad at all for not finding these compositions pleasant. Even as I find both interesting and pleasant aspects, I am running into unpleasant ones at the same time.
And don't be hard on yourself. I contend that all humans are basically nose-blind, or at least unable to interpret olfactory signals with any real power.

Very true, well said, Red!

Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto

Whatever the reason, I will continue to love Katie no matter what. She is a breath of fresh air in the olfactory world, and is the Aphrodite of my olfactory pantheon. Whatever happens in her perfumed clouds, nobody can change how I feel about her, or what she has done for fragrance.

I hope that nothing we said or did here contributed to this, though I suspect it would be impossible for us not to have affected things in some ways. Just for clarification, in case it wasn't obvious, my reference to "Katie's Saloon" was perhaps more of a compliment than everybody realized. Nobody who understands my roots would doubt that. I truly appreciate the fact that there was a livelier place than Basenotes where this was being discussed, even if I'm a bit too sensitive to go there. Deep down, I guess I'm a bit of a tenderfoot, and afraid to venture into the livelier parts of town. But if Katie wishes to reconsider reposting her threads, I would be completely behind it. The fragrant world cannot be anything but a lonelier place without her, and her posse.

I do feel disappointed by the deletion too, especially as there are not many places on the net that discuss this project. When she announced that it was going to be her last thread on the project, I told her she will be missed. Her blog (and perfume blogs in general) are pretty new to me, I find myself lacking time and patience to keep up with so many of them. And just like you I'm too sensitive to take upon venturing in open space on the net with trolls etc. (I found that one 'anonymous' person bulldozing over her Untitled Series threads rather unpleasant). I do like her video's, although time is not on my side to watch them all. But I do like her style and her way of describing fragrance, her vid on Secretions Magnifique is hilarious!

I think it was that anonymous + Dan that began the drama by calling the BN discussion "unctuous" and that rubbed me personally the wrong way. Especially as I was feeling so courageous and proud of myself of sharing my emotions there!
Then CB offered the possibility for us to email him questions directly and I believe she felt dismissed in some way and acted upon those emotions.
It's her blog, so I guess it's her right to do so.

This whole episode seems to unfortunately be surrounded by drama, I hope CB takes notice and will take some effort in putting things straight.