tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post6550153707011290130..comments2018-02-19T19:57:27.231+10:00Comments on Who-T: The future of xinput, xmodmap, setxkbmap, xsetwacom and other tools under WaylandPeter Huttererhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17204066043271384535noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-30842013611066206432016-12-22T14:18:03.967+10:002016-12-22T14:18:03.967+10:00It seems like the answer that would satisfy so man...It seems like the answer that would satisfy so many of these users is a cl tool that speaks wayland and exposes, for instance, libinput&#39;s configuration model (and probably wayland&#39;s for that matter, so something like redshift can be made more general). <br />Basically a gsettings-like tool.<br />I&#39;m not suggesting you write this, but I think that is what most of these folks probably want (well, that&#39;s assuming Graeme&#39;s call for xdg support don&#39;t happen).liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414946099433267898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-27508534877510415842016-12-20T12:58:45.656+10:002016-12-20T12:58:45.656+10:00It&#39;s not a request for any client to change an...It&#39;s not a request for any client to change any device, it&#39;s a request that there be standardized management API&#39;s/protocols for managing Wayland displays, so that Wayland management applications can be written to support the user. Things like display color calibration and profiling are not something a sane compositor will want to take on - those functions belong in specialized applications, and the API&#39;s/protocols are needed if Wayland is not going to be a second class citizen. The current situation is heading towards fragmentation and disconnects, and hence poor support for Wayland in these areas.Graeme Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10963091638971639546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-27689181814062903982016-12-16T14:21:14.427+10:002016-12-16T14:21:14.427+10:00Graeme: some of this is explicitly outside of what...Graeme: some of this is explicitly outside of what some compositors want to permit, e.g. the ability of any client to change any device. things like xmodmap are a leftover from *before* xkb and barely work in X (xmodmap to xkb and back is lossy). the amount of effort to make this even *mostly* compatible would be crazy and effort down the drain.Peter Huttererhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17204066043271384535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-83309367373727143422016-12-16T13:10:22.924+10:002016-12-16T13:10:22.924+10:00I think this is a looming obstacle in the wider ad...I think this is a looming obstacle in the wider adoption of Wayland by applications. The current assumption seems to be that platform specific API&#39;s will be used for these sorts of settings and many other display related operations such as color management etc., but platform API&#39;s seem highly fragmented due to the range of Wayland compositors, UI environments, Linux distributions and OS platforms contemplating Wayland support. The correct answer in my view, is an effort to add the necessary support to the Wayland protocol and reference implementations, to at least put Wayland on a par with X11.Graeme Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10963091638971639546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-83921522170834723782016-12-06T20:18:30.926+10:002016-12-06T20:18:30.926+10:00Mark T. Kennedy said. &quot;one of those emacs peo...Mark T. Kennedy said. &quot;one of those emacs people&quot;<br /><br />wayland is a conspirary to move people to atom text editor.<br /><br />you might as well tell emacs to use other keys. Appart from countless packages you have about billion ways to do this. It would be nice if you precise the issue here (or maybe in Emacs wiki) if it&#39;s not that easy. Maybe time is the only issue, this would be fair, but please tell us so this is useful for other people.Pierre-Yves Luytenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16666930842742112279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-63691354521782836912016-12-06T13:26:39.124+10:002016-12-06T13:26:39.124+10:00Oooh yeah!! Thanks a lot Frantisek!!! It works lik...Oooh yeah!! Thanks a lot Frantisek!!! It works like a charm!!Osquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15711246400408343032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-3180903672831536372016-12-06T12:34:43.892+10:002016-12-06T12:34:43.892+10:00Osqui: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mys...Osqui: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mystro256/gnome-redshift/František Zatloukalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481338620560588302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-39645711419441096592016-12-06T10:58:12.050+10:002016-12-06T10:58:12.050+10:00...and redshift...and redshiftOsquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15711246400408343032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-7259585234441509632016-12-06T08:12:14.608+10:002016-12-06T08:12:14.608+10:00I know it&#39;s unrelated to this post, but not be...I know it&#39;s unrelated to this post, but not being able to show icons on desktop makes Gnome on Wayland unusable to me.Osquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15711246400408343032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6112936277054198647.post-33867898238775336652016-12-06T06:35:41.335+10:002016-12-06T06:35:41.335+10:00so if i&#39;m one of those emacs people who config...so if i&#39;m one of those emacs people who configure the keyboard to generate control, alt, meta, super, and hyper prefixes using xmodmap, what is the wayland alternative? is it specific to gnome and kde? or general?Mark T. Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16712719763605358409noreply@blogger.com