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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

Esteed wrote:

Sure, I've done that. And I got called on it. By my friends, my family, my girlfriend at the time... That's what we're doing. Calling him on his BS. He shouldn't be allowed to say whatever he wants just because he's going through hard times. I for one refuse to give him a free pass to say whatever he feels like if it's rude and insulting towards people that are just trying to help him.

Were you allowed to do what you did? NO, you just had to be sorry about it later. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't necesary for your love ones to hurt you even more so you could see it.

Jonas would've had said he was sorry once he'd cooled down. Now he should have even more reasons to be angry.
I would.
Of course, he still has to apologize. I would just like that Sarah do it first, since she's the one who make him act like a kid with that e-mail. To Taylor, yes, he should call her (I hope he already did), but she really should have know better..._________________So... I guess this is it...
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If you want to get all "so-and-so should apologize first" then it should be Jonas. He made the first mistake. Whether you look at it as letting Bree escape or reaming out Daniel and Sarah for absolutely no reason, he made the first mistake in this situation, so he needs to apologize first.

Personally, I don't see where Sarah and Taylor have anything to apologize for, but if it would make the situation go away, they should humor Jonas and apologize.

EDIT: If they hadn't given me some tough love, I wouldn't have been sorry later. I would've viewed it as perfectly okay behavior, and would have continued it. Yeah, tough love hurts sometimes, but it's for the better.

Hey Taylor, I know this has been brought up already, but you're the brain around here. Any thoughts as to a possible code in Jonas's e-mail? I mean, everything is lowercase except three "I's" "J" and "DO NOT POST THIS." And there are SO many misspellings and grammar mistakes._________________"Beneath this mask there is more than flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof."
-- V For Vendetta <3

all I have to say is, I would be kind of concerned about Jonas and his anger issues. Let's not forget this is the same guy who pulled a gun out on his own flesh and blood. Yes he was betrayed and all, but in this situation I don't want to be there if Bree does what she did to Daniel and says "Hey guess what?! It meant nothing to me"

Just a thought.

Also, I think everyone in this situation isn't really in the wrong. These are a bunch of kids, who were thrown into a situation most adults can't deal with and they are expected to handle it under harsh conditions with no support other than themselves. When things don't work out and get rough, people start to attack one another. It starts to become an every man for him/herself situation because they aren't sure who they can trust.

Ever watch Twilight zone? Good show of human nature in chaotic situations like this one.

I don't care how many people Sarah or anybody else sleeps with. The "slut" issue is moot for sure. However, the "I'm going to constantly advertise myself as sexual" issue is very real. Usually, I find that people who constantly talk about how much sex they have either aren't really having a lot of sex or aren't really satisfied with the sex they're having. After all, if they were, they wouldn't need to talk about it all of the time. They'd just do it and be happy.

The "I'm going to force my sexual outlook on you" attitude is even more bothersome. If someone had made a similar video for Sarah about how sex is about love and how sex would be a lot better if she realized that, the forum would probably be jumping all over it in anger. We'd be saying "Stop forcing your opinions on Sarah! It's her life. It's her body." I would say that Sarah needed to mind her own business. First she video tapes them kissing. Then she gives her own commentary on what kinds of feelings Jonas should have about the sex he had with Bree. Sarah would have better spent that snooping and gossiping time getting laid on all of the surfaces she named.

As for the email, yes it was dumb. I'm sure he actually wanted you to post it anyway, Taylor. Why else would he send it to three people? Why else would he reveal extra info in it that Sarah DIDN'T reveal? Sarah never said it was his first time. He clearly wanted you guys to know that for some reason. Maybe he even wanted you to post that for some reason. The "your eyes only" thing at the end was practically putting the idea in your head and daring you!

You know what? I'm glad I posted it. Now you can all see what I'm talking about. He has no right saying those things.

You posted it because you wrote the email yourself, this is all a ploy of you
and your sister to destroy Daniel and Jonas friendship. I give you one thing you order chicks are good at this deception thing. The Order is not has powerful has they seem to be there greatest power is deception. Most of what they do is all smoke and mirrors if you know what I mean. Why don't you and Sarah just tell the Guys where Bree is you both have caused enough trouble has it is.

As for the email, yes it was dumb. I'm sure he actually wanted you to post it anyway, Taylor. Why else would he send it to three people? Why else would he reveal extra info in it that Sarah DIDN'T reveal? Sarah never said it was his first time. He clearly wanted you guys to know that for some reason. Maybe he even wanted you to post that for some reason. The "your eyes only" thing at the end was practically putting the idea in your head and daring you!

Actually Sarah did mention it in the text of her comment for the video. It said

" Jonas, it's not that big of a deal, even if it was your first time. You need to come to grips with your feelings so we can get down to finding Bree. - Sarah Faction: THE RESISTANCE "

You know what? I'm glad I posted it. Now you can all see what I'm talking about. He has no right saying those things.

You posted it because you wrote the email yourself, this is all a ploy of you
and your sister to destroy Daniel and Jonas friendship. I give you one thing you order chicks are good at this deception thing. The Order is not has powerful has they seem to be there greatest power is deception. Most of what they do is all smoke and mirrors if you know what I mean. Why don't you and Sarah just tell the Guys where Bree is you both have caused enough trouble has it is.

Jonas has had well over 24 hours to deny writing the e-mail. He hasn't.

Taylor, maybe you should talk to Daniel and have him make sure that Jonas really wrote this himself. A lot of us believe that it could somehow be a message from Bree, Alex, Julia, or someone else other than Jonas. Until someone actually asks, we can't know for sure._________________Rosencrantz: Another curious scientific phenomenon is the fact that the fingernails grow after death, as does the beard.
Guildenstern: What?
Rosencrantz: Beard. . . The toenails, on the other hand, never grow at all.

I think you all acted pretty badly, and you all just need to get over it, it's not even really worth us discussing anymore. Just focus._________________-Proud member of the Taylor Fan Club
-Proud member of the Daniel Fan Club

Jonas wrote this himself, Daniel came on and even said that they have adressed the issues and that they are all getting along now and working together to focus on finding Bree, so anyone saying that Taylor wrote it or just denying that Jonas wrote it period should get off of it.. I mean like it's that hard to believe that after all this time Jonas could snap and be an ass, everyone has it in them, they just have to be pushed that far.. And Bree having a nice one night stand with him was just the thing to do it.. lol_________________"Your greatest weapon is in your enemy's mind."

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