Some of our readers asked us yesterday whether we thought Mr Wedger is as dodgy as his conspiranoid friends. This is an excellent question, and deserves a longer answer than we could provide in the Comments section of this blog, so we’ll give it a go today.

How valid are ex-DC Wedger’s allegations?

Since mid-2016, Mr Wedger has been trying to gain publicity for his claims that the London Metropolitan police are engaged in a wide-spread cover-up of child trafficking (formerly known as “child prostitution”) and that as a whistle-blower, he was targetted and bullied by his superior officers. He says that this bullying caused him serious psychiatric injury, that his pay was cut in half, and that he was forced into early retirement.

First, let us emphasise that there is nothing inherently wrong with his attempting to publicise these concerns.

Child trafficking is a very serious problem, and as Mr Wedger notes, many trafficked children do come from the care system: from September 2014 to 2015, 167 of 590 children who were suspected or identified as child trafficking victims vanished from foster and care homes across the country. Worse, 20% of local authorities contacted in that time frame were unable to report how many children were formally identified or suspected of being trafficked—so there are major gaps in the available data.

Victims are not always identified and investigations are closed prematurely….

Failings in the approach left victims exposed and allowed perpetrators to continue to exploit the vulnerable, it added. In one case, the inspectorate was told: “The public view is, they are not our girls.”

Wendy Williams, the inspector of constabulary, said: “While modern slavery cases can be complex and require significant manpower, many of the shortcomings in investigating these cases reflect deficiencies in basic policing practice.

“We found inconsistent, even ineffective, identification of victims and investigations closed prematurely. As a result, victims were being left unprotected, leaving perpetrators free to continue to exploit people as commodities.”

These reports do bear out at least some of Mr Wedger’s allegations. For example, in his 2016 interview with Brian Gerrish Mr Wedger stated,

So I went on to this job and I was, I got a job with what they call the Street Offences Unit, and street offences relates to the old Street Offences Act of the last century which refers to prostitution, street prostitution. And our job was to go and sort of arrest street prostitutes really but also we had governance for juveniles. So if a juvenile was found on the street in a red light area late at night believed involved in it, they were to be sort of brought in, taken in to protective custody. And every now and then a child would be found, usually a girl, and our job was to then bring her in, inform Social Services, the kid would then be placed into protective police custody whilst Social Services work out Emergency Protection Orders, E-P-Os. …

(W)e would find these, these kids and take then into custody and everything else but the problem then was that it was a competitive environment, so it was number crunching, so you were given a target of each car that was put out, three cars were put out per night, and you would have a competition, who could arrest as many prostitutes as you can, and ten would be a good figure, and if you did that every day of the week you was the top team. So there was competitions, and you could process a prostitute very quickly via the custody, and it, it was pointless cos all of them were drug addicts, all of them had come from the care system. And if you brought a kid in that was your night finished. The car was taken off the road and that was it, so that you wouldn’t get the figures, so you was encouraged not to deal with them.

Mr Wedger was clearly very dedicated to his work, and this institutional neglect of a vulnerable population must have been highly distressing to him.

His dedication to serving the public was such that he received a commendation for his outstanding work on the horrific “Baby P” case, in which a 17-month-old boy died after suffering more than 50 injuries over an eight-month period. Strangely, though, Mr Wedger doesn’t seem inclined to mention this case in his various interviews.

A few odd notes

While we were very impressed with Mr Wedger’s obvious passion for the work he did, and his determination to do right by those our society has failed, a few things about his interviews struck us as strange.

In his interview with Brian Gerrish, for example, he described a woman called “Foxy” who was pimping out young girls. One girl was named Zoe:

And she’d made an allegation that this woman Foxy had been pimping her out; and she’d made a couple of allegations, and they hadn’t gone anywhere. So what I was told was, ‘Can you look into it? She’s made allegations before; she’s a bit of a nightmare; she might be lying, she might not; but she’s a bit persistent; see what you can do.’ So I went, ‘OK.’ So I, I went to see the girl, made an appointment and was told she’s very anti-police, you know, and she is a bit of a handful.

Mr Wedger described how he built a trusting relationship with Zoe, and was able to convince her to do an ABE (Achieving Best Evidence) interview:

And, we sat down, we had a chat. We..interviewed her, and she told me the story start to finish. And she’s the product of broken family: her mother was a drug addict, the father was absent, and it, the mother was buying drugs off this girl Foxy, and Foxy then started to groom her, because her mother was unable to look after her. She then ended up living with the grandparents but the grandparents lived in a red light area. And so Foxy would go and pick this young girl up, and, basic grooming; look after her, show her some attention, a bit of love, do her hair for her, give her make-up – but then introduced her to cannabis; got her smoking cannabis, and then, would then take her to hotels.

These were bottom-end hotels; these were the sort of places where a lot of the builders would go to, you know. So there’d be like converted Victorian houses, or whatever. In one, one area of London there’s a big row of them. And a lot of them were, were maintenance and building workers from the North would come down and stay in these hotels. So Foxy had an agreement with the night porters, and the night porters would make a room available for her. So she would take her clients in there; so she’d go in there with a client, start having sex and have this young girl there watching, and then encourage the young girl to get involved. And then from there, she would then start giving the young girl the bigger drugs, so the Class A drugs is what they want the kids on. Once they’ve got them on the Class A drugs – especially the crack cocaine – it’s got a, a real grip on them, you know. And this girl had no way of getting these drugs, so she relied on Foxy as her medicine lady, you know. So she got her on crack cocaine, and then she started then pimping the young girl out, getting the young girl involved. And then she would then get the girl to introduce her friends to it.

So she was then introducing her friends – also come from families that, parents were drug addicts, or absent or whatever. And so, or in the care system; in fact all the kids we dealt with were subject to care orders, whether they were residential care orders or, or just normal care orders, you know. But they’re all known to Social Services and from ‘At Risk’ backgrounds. And so, she gave me the name of another kid. So I went to see that girl; the story was identical, and the other thing was they used to say, ‘Well what about the police? Do the police ever get involved?’ And both girls said,’Well, we would get hidden in a bush; if we was put on the street, if the police came Foxy would hide us in a bush; but she, she knew the coppers anyway, she’d just flirt with them and they would just let her go.’

And she said, ‘But also there’s a judge, there’s a judge involved.’ I said, ‘What do you mean?’ She went, ‘Oh, judge at the magistrates’ court. So when Foxy’s charge goes before the judge, the judge is her client anyway. So the judge lets her off.’

So I checked this out; I went through the disposal history, the criminal history of this girl, and found she keeps getting bind-overs, this Foxy. So, I thought,’Right, well, there’s something in this.’

This story has the ring of truth, right up to the final detail: Mr Wedger says Foxy got let off when she went to court because one of the judges was her client.

We find this part of the story hard to believe for two important reasons: when a person is sent to magistrates court, they don’t have a choice of judges. And the judges there don’t choose their cases; they take what’s assigned to them.

Even less believable, however, is Mr Wedger’s description of his interactions with his bosses, who seem drawn from “B” grade police thrillers.

For example, at one point, Mr Wedger drafted a report on the issues facing police who dealt with trafficked young people. He pointed out that investigations weren’t being followed up by police, and children were being failed as a result. He submitted it to his superior officer, who he said responded in a surprising manner:

And, I then get a phone call, within about an hour of the report going through, and it’s from the governing Detective Inspector. And he said to me, ‘Jon, about this report you put on.’ And I was thinking, ‘Good, brilliant; I’ve now shown them the goose that is giving the golden eggs, and hopefully, this’ll move forward,’ you know – I really thought I was going to get praise for it. And then what happened was he said, ‘We need to talk now; get in my office, now.’ I went, ‘OK.’ So I went down to see him, I was in a different building, I travelled down, went in his office, and, it was like someone had set a pit-bull on me. He started swearing and shouting and, ‘What have you done? You can’t do things like this, I’m taking,’ he’s shutting it down, ‘I’m taking you off.’ So he withdrew me straightaway from the operation – and that really upset me, you know, cos I was moving forward, you know…

Shortly afterward, his Detective Chief Superintendent told him to take the summer off; when he returned, there was another surprising conversation awaiting:

I said, ‘Well, what have I done?”…’I, you know, I really thought I done well; I’d exposed this’….

And he turned round to me and he said, ‘Well that’s a problem; you’ve exposed it.’ He said,’We knew you could dig, but we never knew you could dig that deep.’ He then said, ‘What you’ve exposed is gonna F us, past, present and future. This cannot, and will not, ever get out.’ He said, ‘If you mention a word of this, you will be thrown to the wolves.’ He then said, ‘You will lose everything – and that means your job, your home, your kids, you will lose it all. You need to shut your F-ing mouth.’ And I was just dumbstruck. I was like, ‘For real?’ And he said, ‘We never thought you would dig this deep. You have no understanding how deep this goes.’

Now, colour us cynical, but this conversation does not have the same ring of truth as Mr Wedger’s descriptions of his work with trafficked children. In the non-conspiranoid world, people don’t say things like “you have no understanding how deep this goes” or “we knew you could dig, but we never knew you could dig that deep”. It seems more likely to us that if Mr Wedger had truly caused concern in the upper echelons of his department, he’d have been quietly and discreetly reassigned.

We’re not saying that Mr Wedger was never subjected to bullying, but this part of his story just doesn’t strike us as realistic.

Post-traumatic stress disorder and police

Mr Wedger has claimed that he developed post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a direct result of the bullying he received when he was in the Met.

This is of course possible, but judging from his descriptions of the work he did—good, dedicated work, with some of the most vulnerable populations one could encounter, fighting against seemingly insurmountable institutional barriers—it seems likely that he might have begun developing PTSD as a result of his job.

We tend to think of PTSD as related to a single intensely stressful incident which leaves deep scars on the psyche. However, police and others who work in high-stress jobs are susceptible to “cumulative PTSD”, which results from multiple stress-related experiences. While we cannot presume to say whether Mr Wedger’s PTSD symptoms arise from the cumulative stresses of his work, bullying he received from his colleagues, or even the trauma which must have resulted from working on the tragic Baby P case, it does seem plausible to us that at least some of his beliefs—that his superior officers were plotting against him, for example—might stem from the paranoia and hyper-vigilance which can be hallmarks of PTSD.

And then there are his friends. As we’ve seen in countless instances, the conspiracy community which surrounds the Hampstead SRA hoax seems to create and reinforce its own vortex of paranoia and muddled thinking. Mr Wedger has said he’s been good friends with people like Bill Maloney for a number of years; frankly, we cannot imagine that travelling in such circles would be good for anyone’s mental health.

Bottom line: it appears to us that while Mr Wedger has done a very good job as a police officer, and has raised some important issues which should be addressed, he does himself no favours by associating with troofers. And we do have concerns about some aspects of his narrative, which seem confabulated to us. It’s a pity, because clinging to the conspiranoid bits of his story can only serve to dilute the importance of his overall message.

Do you think he may of been bullied because he kept chatting shite, may be not bullied but may be because he over egged some story’s exaggerated stuff, that it made other police officers jobs impossible. I’m remembering Maloney deliberately not wanting people to feel comfortable who had been abused, telling their own story because he was all too keen to talk about the Queen Mother, The Houses of Parliament paedo ring, Hollie Greig blah blah blah.

From what I’ve read about him he’s a good guy who’s had a hard time and the work and the institution (right or wrong) has got on top of him. Good points above about how some of it doesn’t ring entirely true and it may be his perception of certain events that’s the problem. Imo his telling his story on the conspiracy circuit just confirms he can use poor judgement. As mentioned above though the authorities have a long way to go to deal with child prostitution and trafficking and he’s spot on with that. Somehow I just don’t think the situation is being helped by him doing interviews with pseudo journalists who talk bollocks about so many things.

I think may be he was a bit short on the judgement front, if he got caught with the conspritards what was he trying to prove, and anyone who at first believed the Hampstead Hoax in the first place must live on another planet. The thing is, police officers are just the same as everyone else. There is a certain amount of corruption in the police force and there are also police officers who get away with murder and then get promoted. Also anyone who takes Maloneys word as gospel is a bloody idiot.

I listened to the Lou Collins interview and as I recall he didn’t talk about ‘targets’. He says the police had ‘competitions’. I came away from that bit feeling confused because he didn’t explain whether it was Police imposed targets or something the police did between themselves for fun.

Where prostitutes are concerned, Wiki says you’re not allowed to solicit in a public place and those are the people Mr Wedger would have been arresting.

Well I just found this on YouTube. New comments on George the Greek Trucker’s video are alarnlming as commentators are asking where the kids are? George speculates either in Kent with foster parents or their dad in California. Creepily someone offers their rental home as they live in California and someone called Terri wants Ella’s people i.e. supporters to go to Hampstead school every Wednesday and watch the parents entering the building and dropping their kids off as it high s.e.x day. That was the creepiest comment and I flagged it.

Also Drif Loud is renaming innocent Hampstead folk again to drum up hate and fear. When will this stop?

Yes, the police are the same as any other people—good, bad, or indifferent. I agree that casting his lot with the conspiracy crowd showed bad judgement, but I can see how they would seem to offer him support he wasn’t receiving elsewhere. A bit like the way “Foxy” groomed vulnerable children—if Mr Wedger was feeling cast adrift at work, he could easily have turned to the troofers for affirmation and approval.

Yes, that’s a good point. In one interview (with Gerrish in 2016) he specifically referred to targets; but a year and a half later in his interview with Lou Collins it was “competitions”, which seem much less like official policy and much more like informal police culture.

Firstly, while I recognize police officers (and for that matter firemen like my nephew) are very susceptible to PTSD I’m not buying that an officer involved in policing prostitution could possibly end up suffering as this man claims.

The police who do suffer are those involved in investigating terrible murders or attending dreadful accidents (my nephew had to resign before he had a breakdown after just one too many horrific auto accident where the car exploded into flames with the occupants still inside).

I’d say this copper was susceptible to PTSD long before his job and when he eventually succumbed he created a reason- prostitution.

His claims also defy reality which is: while many young people are “seduced” into prostitution- and the use of the word “child” in these case is an emotive exaggeration as those working the streets or in brothels are not 10/12/13 year old girls or boys as the term implies but generally older teens (perhaps a legally underage teen) and there are a whole range of situations, from those who prefer to sell their bodies for the money instead of low-paid job, those addicted to drugs and those who are pimped.

It’s a highly complex matter and has been for 1000s of years.
I’m also not buying his superior officer’s claimed attack as the ridiculous “you’ve exposed it..”..another favourite of the hysterical “truther” mob who have basically co-opted the term “whistle-blower” and reduced it to a meaningless term (and yet this mob scream their conspiracies from the rooftops whilst claiming they are whistle-blowers and are being silenced..if only they would shut up for once).

While I have no doubt this copper is suffering from some mental condition and deserves sympathy and help, I reckon there are probably a whole lot more personal matters that have brought him to this point.

I should qualify that with : the stresses of any job can get on top of a person and they can suffer badly. This guy has a claim in against the police and may well deserve to be recompensed. Possibly he was over-loaded with work.
But I’ve never met a copper yet involved in vice who hasn’t been pretty down to earth and wordy wise about their work. They can be as cynical as journalists. Other police may be far too sensitive for the job.

You would think after the experience of Rupert attending a school (with or without a knife) these people would be a bit more discreet.
I can’t imagine anyone hanging outside a school when they have no reason to be there. The whole notion is very creepy.

The chances are however, they would never move away from their PC and enter the real world.

Cops working vice tend to be actually on the side of the working girls (or boys). I was friendly with a number of ladies who worked from flats around Bayswater in the late 70s, early 80s.
They were often visited by cops who were checking that there was only one lady in the flat. The law was that if there were two females the flat, it was legally (an illegal) brothel. However they could have a maid who took phone calls and received clients, handled the money etc.
The police much preferred the ladies to be safe.

Have made a number of reports and seemingly largely fallen on deaf ears to date.My angle is slanted towards potential for future massive laws suits against such platforms,bad publicity etc as I (perhaps erroneously)believe this may prove the optimum way to eventually elicit evasive action from these cumbersome giants.

It is easy to resist reporting the likes of google tube et al appear to ignore clear and flagrant abuses of their terms of service.I would guess there may be some system/algorithm where a matter gets flagged for human attention when a files “weight of complaints” is arrived at.

I dont know if any journos have ever attempted an undercover investigation into how social media platforms deal with illegal material but it would be a fascinating reveal for some brave determined souls to have a crack at.

PS. Another insightful,balanced header post of remarkable quality EC.You are at serious risk of becoming a national treasure if you keep this up.Mind them corgis though if invited to any future tit bit chucking fest/cuppa tea ritual in her majesties back garden,could get messy so have a well planned escape strategy like a handy time/space portal mapped out 😉

Its hardly beyond the wit of some folk to seek a “tidy” settlement in or out of court to resolve on going “embarrassing administrative difficulties”when shit insists on colliding with fans.I am not suggesting any particular evidence that this is the primary motive here with Mr Wedger but hey #jusaying 😉

Yes, sex for gain itself is not illegal, its the incidents of the trade, soliciting on the street, kerbcrawling, pumping etc. Loitering and soliciting are not imprisonable: the only possible sentences are discharge, fine and a specific sentence only available for prostitutes, called an engagement and support order. A bind over is theoretically possible but highly unlikely, as there are better options to prevent misconduct now (CrimBOs, restraining orders etc). Bind overs are extremely rare now except in neighbour disputes. It may be sloppy terminology for a conditional discharge ( or ESO maybe) which is a fairly common solution as fining only compounds the problem. So it may well be the case that a certain judge responded in that way but there would be nothing unusual in that, and he would certainly not be the only one. But the assertion that she kept getting bindovers as she was a client is not credible for all sorts of reasons the reasons as El C had pointed out.
Thing is that people who have a grievance and are not listened to do tend to ramp things up, we saw that with the false allegations about Lord McAlpine, made by someone who i’m sure was abused but when he felt he wasn’t being taken seriously started making the allegations more interesting. There is also a well documented Finnish case of a man suffering from querulant paranoia (where a belief in huge overarching conspiracies is common) who had genuinely uncovered corruption; the strain of being disbelieved led him to behave so irrationally he was eventually sectioned.

“our magnosphere (what that?) and the impacts of our wi-fi technology”
..Moo uses both these (whatever the first is) but certainly wi-fi when making her videos so that may explain why she builds up to a screaming finale. I bet she’s puce in the face as well.
Who knows- she may well spontaneously combust near the end of one of videos. I hope someone is around to upload it though when they find a little pile of ashes and a pair of slippers.
(I mean that in a caring and sharing way)

Handbag? How very dare you. Handbages are a bourgeois construct imposed upon women in this decadent neo-capitalist society, and Debs eschews them. With vigour. Also she can’t find one in the coveted “sackcloth and ashes” colour.

The odds against her making a worthwhile video are remote but if she ever managed one admitting to her vast catalogue of venomous cruel deceptions,made something of an apology to those she has wronged and repaid her ill gotten gains I would be minded to give it a thumbs up.Flicking her hair and scratching the nose to accompany each item of bullshit would also help.

I did once give her a like when she forgot to plug in her microphone,if she can develop that theme by failing to turn on the camera or even dumping all her tech in the nearest skip that would be a real bonus.

Knitting for her grandkids is definately the way forward for Angie even if she does bill them top dollar and occasionally dip into their moneyboxes for “essentials”.

When I was a store detective a few years ago, I was working in North Londondon and a police officer stole a sandwich, he claimed he had PTSD that’s why he did it. I really don’t think people understand what PTSD really is, it does tick me off a bit from some one who has PTSD, I’m not saying why I do but I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but it definitely isn’t caused by stress alone.

I googled and got this – Magnasphere: Advanced & Effective Switch Technology. I guess if it’s so advanced it could be operated by wifi, but the link with spontaneous combustion is still not clear. I haven’t gone into the lady’s posts myself as I suspect it’s an experience somewhat like putting you’re brains in a bowl and stirring them round with a fork, so maybe all is explained. Mr Google also tells me that there was a case last September, well reported last month in the Telegraph, who aren’t quite ready to drop the spontaneous combustion theory altogether but were doubtful.

From a historical viewpoint, it should be noted that Charles Dickens was the person who introduced the phenomenon of ‘Spontaneous Human Combustion’ to the mainstream in his 1852 novel ‘Bleak House’. Dickens himself had researched the subject and was aware of at least 30 cases. The most famous being the death of Grace Pett, the pipe-smoking wife of a Cornish fisherman in 1744, which he described in his book ‘Letters on Natural Magic’.

Yes, I can’t remember her name, but she has been mentioned before. Didn’t APD use a vague resemblance to her to con people when she liver in London. Rather like all the slightly pudgy ginger blokes who convince girls in bars that they are Ed Sheeran.

You might be right but I’d assumed she was thinking of ‘magnetosphere’, defined as “the region surrounding the earth or another astronomical body in which its magnetic field is the predominant effective magnetic field”.

Also guys are Ella and Abe still together? Do the police believe they are still at large in the UK or hiding out in Europe somewhere, possibly in Spain or Russia?

I bet Belinda and Angela know where they are plus how are they being supported financially surely money is being funneled to them some how? Following the money can help locate and arrest them. Additionally are there arrest warrants out for Abe and Ella to be arrested internationally? I’m asking because since they may not be in the UK InterPol can arrest them I abroad. I feel police are not doing enough to find them. I know there is an arrest warrant in the UK for them but are police following any line of inquiry to bring them in if they are still here in UK? Some of the conspiratards day they are here in the UK, Spain or Russia? But who knows?

However I really hope this year will be the year Abe and Ella are captured. Plus how the hell did Abe and Ella escape from Ella’s place with the police at the front door?

Anyway I believe this hoax will only come to an end when police arrest Abe and Ella and they are tried in court and sent down to spend many years in prison. I’m glad HoaxteadResearch haven’t stopped reporting on this creepy and crazy community that seem to be mad, bad and sad. Keep up good work!

Totally agree PinkIvy.Whilst a number of vociferous hoax supporting self publisists have slowly,slowly found the long arm of the law feel their shoulders for continuing to threaten the wellbeing of innocent folk,the prime movers somehow slid out a rear window and have scuttled off into some hidey hole.

I suspect things may be fairly grim for them and one way or another and one or both may well attempt reentry to the uk under one guise or another.Another distinct possibilty is that Abe in particular may shit on the wrong person and find himself in the equivalent of a deep desert hole as he threatened the children with to “encourage” them to sing the company tune.Not advocating violence but justice comes in many guises and only a fool believes any lunch is entirely free and not eventually have to be paid for in one form or another,with interest included.

The conjectural permutations are of course endless until some evidence of this or that development comes to light.

If the police are making on going inroads into lifting these disgraceful scum,for obvious reasons they will not be making their enquiries public.If I was a direct victim of Abe and Ellas shameless crimes I would certainly be seeking assurances that the matter had not been effectively shelved ad infinitum.

Not only will Abe and Ellas eventual arrest be the final nail in this hoax coffin but it will go a massive way to preventing future bastards from trying their hand at copycat activities for a quick sheckle and a day in the limelight.

As well as the human damage Abe and Ella wreaked,the financial costs to the tax payer all told must be immense and anything that sends out a clear “dont even go there” message will be well worth it in the final analysis.

Thanks mik7777 for replying. I hope these terrible garbage people are caught this year and deffo agree more idiots might start another hoax believing that they too can escape justice. I’m shocked Ella is still with Abe. I hope they haven’t had a child since these two are not fit to be parents. They are dangerous and could harm the poor child. Lord please I am praying.

I wonder what can be done regarding these fruitlonies who lie, deceive and con people. Plus they are so detached from reality it’s scary. We need to re-open mental health asylums where they can say whatever they want but kept away from good people and participating negatively in society because they can’t cope or manage living in it.

The internet sadly has allowed these lonies to meet other lonies and make new friends and be confident in their inappropriate behaviour and spouting of dangerous and hateful rhetoric. Aka Neelu for example. The stuff on that women’s Facebook is astonishing. I honestly would like to contact the mental health team in her borough as she has been allowed to remain unstable for a long time.

Just stopping by to wish El Coyote and all this wonderful contributors a fantastic new year. Keep doing what you do, guys – you’re making real progress while the swivel-eyed loons on the other side just chat shite.

I always say it: there needs to be a law of Criminal Defamation. Needed more than ever now. The Oz state of South Australia has one.
Thailand has pretty strict laws on defamation and defamers can face jail.

They say a few Generals have replaced The Don’s Big Red Button with one that when he pushes it – as he may well do- a butler appears with a can of Coke & a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken,
After consuming that he may have calmed down.

This is the way to go Ghost of Sam. Thanks for posting this, it’s about time Social Media giants who allow horrendous and hurtful rubbish to stay up on their sites to face prosecution or pay fines for malicious communication just like the person who directly posted or uploaded it.

Hi Captain Mainwaring. You can’t always separate mental illness from criminality as some criminals commit crimes beacause of their mental illness like Son of Sam. I find that the only time people are in mental institutions indefinitely is when they have committed a violent crime and they are too dangerous.

However non-violent mentally ill people who cause others distress and alarm don’t get sectioned or cared for in the community. They are just allowed to continue their frightening and unacceptable behaviour. I’m not saying that being put in an asylum is a punishment but to protect people and society.
Like Arthur Kaotal is constantly sectioned but still comes out doing wrong things to others. I think he needs to be sectioned and kept away from others until he is safe and well enough. I hope I explained myself a bit better.

Plus just being looking at Neelu’s Facebook again, she has posted many videos about her friend Patrick Cullinane faked his death and everyone should call home office and coroners office because he is not really dead. My brother is a mental health nurse and he was saying she needs to be reviewed as she might not be taking her meds of developing another mental illness because she’s refusing to grasp the reality of her friend dying. I think sadly the conspiracy community are a bunch of crazy people who have fallen through the net and need help.

Seems tragic that the Chinese space station Tiangong-1 is being bought back down in March via a controlled crash somewhere or other.Such a pity as it would have been just the ticket for these oxygen thieves to stick their heads up each others backsides in their very own,self-contained,zero gravity echo chamber in low Earth orbit.

The International Space Station itself is going to be derelict from 2028 though. 😉

Jake still bent on developing his career deep into the inner circles of the internet arsehole cult.If he can sustain his current level of utter shoite he might even achieve lower ubend commander status by this time next year.

Thanks, PI! Yes, I agree that this will only end once Abe and Ella are arrested and tried. I think a great deal will come out that has not been revealed yet, and I think their supporters will get a nasty shock when they see who and what they’ve really been supporting.

I agree, Capt. M. Many of us have suffered from mental health problems of one sort or another in our lives, from anxiety or depression to problems with substance abuse and the like. Unfortunately, the era of asylums is not too far behind us; and it seems that we’re not yet very good at delivering the vaunted “care in the community” which was supposed to have picked up the slack after the asylums were emptied.

As you say, mental health units aren’t places to hide or punish the mentally ill, any more than general hospitals are places to hide and punish the physically ill.

I do understand the impulse to send the Hoaxtead mob somewhere where they can’t continue to hurt others, but we need to think carefully before invoking the bad old days of the asylums as a solution.

And 2. Unless a child is going to be a source of income, it would be unlikely.

Ella is hardly the maternal type having abandoned 3 children, the 1 + 2 and Abraham has sired how many and abandoned all of them, though I reckon all the children must be glad that neither of these 2 degenerates stuck around?

Ella is too lazy and self absorbed to want another child. Unless of course that child secures her a meal ticket when the going gets tough. Not with Abe, the honeymoon is well and truly over for that. She’s not that crazy. Of course, mistakes do happen.