motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?

Now I know why e0y hates you.

e0y hates me because he fears that my vast technological expertise and knowledge will ultimately and inevitably end with me establishing dominion over all manner caniverous dinosaur previously and erroneously thought extinct. And I will use this power to establish an NBA hard cap, forever assuring the Cavs will be mired in mediocrity forever.

And I'll have one of them take a giant shit in the foyer of his Boston hipster apartment. (if only I could find it. It's in this really obscured place that most people have never heard of.)

motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?

Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?

Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on.

motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?

Now I know why e0y hates you.

e0y hates me because he fears that my vast technological expertise and knowledge will ultimately and inevitably end with me establishing dominion over all manner caniverous dinosaur previously and erroneously thought extinct. And I will use this power to establish an NBA hard cap, forever assuring the Cavs will be mired in mediocrity forever.

And I'll have one of them take a giant shit in the foyer of his Boston hipster apartment. (if only I could find it. It's in this really obscured place that most people have never heard of.)

Did you happen to see Lawrence O'Donnell interviewing your boy Herman Cain last night. He was super classy. After he found out Cain was selected to "only" work for the department of Navy in the ballistics lab as a civilian he repeatedly asked him why he thought he had any right to be the commander in chief because he didn't enlist for the Vietnam War, but was in the lottery but didn't get called. Dude thinks he is lil' Olby but just comes off like a bigger jackass if that were possible.

If that meant so much to him surely he would have asked Obama why he never enlisted or would have just supported McCain no?

Foxnews is so damn slanted to the right.

Sorry CDT, you probably have a poster of Larry in your garage, dont mean to offend you.

It only got better when they moved to the Civil Rights movement.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?

Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?

Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on.

So serious.

Kinda like calling out any tea party member who might drive on a road or use a park?

motherscratcher wrote:It is an amusing poster Ziner. But, is it your contention that the only people who are allowed to protest and have a desire to initiate change are those that live in caves, eat from their own gardens, and make their own clothes?

You know, lest they use something manufactured by a corporation and become a hypocrite?

Not to mention this easy response was addressed in the article posted days ago:

Yes, as so many journalists seem obligated to point out, kids are criticizing corporate America while tweeting through their iPhones. The simplistic critique is that if someone is upset about corporate excess, he is supposed to abandon all connection with any corporate product. Of course, the more nuanced approach to such tradeoffs would be to seek balance rather than ultimatums. Yes, there are things big corporations might do very well, like making iPhones. There are other things big corporations may not do so well, like structure mortgage derivatives. Might we be able to use corporations for what works, and get them out of doing what doesn't?

Ok- I'm now bored again. We can all go back to drawing lines in the sand and continuing down the successful and prosperous road we're on.

So serious.

Kinda like calling out any tea party member who might drive on a road or use a park?

I actually think peeker and OJ make solid points that anyone from any side of the aisle can agree with.

Peeker's right in that hey at least people are standing up to be heard and the overall concern they have is about a legitimate serious issue in general. However where I think this all loses some steam and real impact is in their message, particularly their specific itemized demands, as OJ says. The majority of their demands are borderline ludicrous and really hurt their credibility to the point it makes one wonder if these people even live in the real world at all.

Kind of like the difference between being efficient and being effective.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:I actually think peeker and OJ make solid points that anyone from any side of the aisle can agree with.

Peeker's right in that hey at least people are standing up to be heard and the overall concern they have is about a legitimate serious issue in general. However where I think this all loses some steam and real impact is in their message, particularly their specific itemized demands, as OJ says. The majority of their demands are borderline ludicrous and really hurt their credibility to the point it makes one wonder if these people even live in the real world at all.

Kind of like the difference between being efficient and being effective.

My favorite part of this thread is how far above everyone's head Peeks is living.

I mean, don't get me wrong, Peeks is typically Black and White, but he's trying to show THE ANGRY OLD MAN SIDE of the forum the benefits of free thought.

To be real, these guys are the fakest Haight Ashbury of fakest fakers ever. That said, the socialist and unrealistic points you bring up? That defined Haight Ashbury, something that redefined American Art and is one of the biggest reasons we finally found civil rights. But these are young people trying to exercise their brain while trying to be a part of this country. That is the single most important thing we can find. THE BABY BOOMERS WERE USELESS FUCKS THAT COULDN'T SAVE THEIR OWN MONEY, WE DO NOT NEED TO TURN INTO THEM REDUX. We're going to have idiots bouncing ideas off of idiots bouncing ideas off of idiots but hopefully we start finding some good ones (FOR THE NON BOOMERS).

Movements that are not based on hurting the liberties of others, like the Tea Party should always be allowed to grow, blossom and be. Fuck, even the Tea Party should be allowed to grow blossom and be, they have some good points, shame they turned into Racist Ron Paul. Even if it results to fuck nut like it will, our history is littered with shit like this somehow turning real after a bunch of a fakers found a real guy and the fakers were inspired and stuff.

Life wasn't meant to be limited to spitting white goo into a pink vag, shitting out a kid, living at 254 Oak Street and eating dick at a desk every day. We don't know WTF life is, but if it's that I'm hoping for nukes. When people explore and think on their own accord maybe it'll redefine life or maybe it'll make some of their kids laugh at their parents.

Peeks is encouraging the throught process, the Angry Old Men can't get by "BUT THEY WANT TO LIVE FOR FREE" when Haite Ashbury redefined living for free while redefining everything all of you fucks learned. Let's go uberman ya'll.

Haight Ashbury's message was delivered and created by those baby boomers. Civil Rights Act was 1964, Hashbury 1967, I think much was already accomplished on that front, but hey it redifined art. Perhaps the Summer of Love led to, "THE BABY BOOMERS WERE USELESS FUCKS THAT COULDN'T SAVE THEIR OWN MONEY..."

All you have to do is look at the substance of their demands. If rational = angry old man, guilty.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Good to know that OJ is so well educated he can't even differentiate between Hippies and Haight's. I'm grateful for both but I really am proud of you for refusing to embrace learning about expanding your mind beyond the box. Uberman and shit.

The "mock funeral" originated at and ended Haight Ashbury. You come here acting all self-righteous with your dumb fuck posts about not "opening our minds" and that Regan ended it Kent State style. Or maybe it was those quotes you talk about like, “This fellow doing the talking had hair like Tarzan, walked like Jane, and smelled like Cheetah.”

Mary fucking Kasper gave the eulogy at Haight Ashbury, if she wasn't a Haight I don't who would be...

Really dude, get over yourself, shits real old. You are so intelligent, but can't even decipher the difference between an angry old man and someone mocking these people (at least in my case, Juice can speak for himself).

It's not that I agree/disagree with the protesters, just can't fucking stand hippies getting this much attention.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Al Gore now throwing his support behind this group. There never was a better front person or poster child for a cause like this. I wonder if he has even read any of their proposed corrective solutions?

He says he supports their cause but then also seems to blame Washington when the protesters clearly seem to blame Wall Street and "big business".

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

If Ziner can throw up a picture of some dude shitting on a car, and OJ can post a youtube of J-Boogie, it's only fair to post some youtube of a guy who looks like a mouth breather actually handing some Fox News guy his ass.

Whether or not you agree with any of his points, it is funny seeing a reporter run across someone who can actually think on his feet, pretty well spoken, and antagonistic.

Go back and read my posts, I never said it would die. I said its part of the Obama campaign, it won't die until November 2012, if ever.

It remains stupid, and without a message. Like the Democrat party its a disparate group of sometimes competing causes with no clear message. Now if someone in that mass, finds some idea I agree with and breaks away, like I agree with them on no bank bailouts, I'll support that person/idea/group. As constituted now, no way. I don't usually get behind people whom I disagree with...

"We are the 99%," is platitude. What is the policy that changes/addresses that? How is OWS going to meld its grievances into the political process?

Intentions... No thanks. Paving streets and what not.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

No, I have judged them based on what they are saying. Their unofficial list of demands, the official list of demands, a broad selection of media reports (yes even the HuffPost, I read what I disagree with...). To argue whether they have been co-opted by the Obama administration is like arguing whether the Tea party was co-opted by the Republicans, Beck, Palin, and a host of blowhards.

So did the Arab spring lead to OWS. Are the movements actually linked?

IMO, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are in favor of people speaking up, the act more important then the message, or as you have later put good intentions that can be filled in later with detail. I just happen to totally disagree with that, and no matter how large the movement becomes, if it remains static in its current message and constitution, I'll remain opposed.

As for the rest, I'm pretty much talking about the movement, and your pretty much commenting on my reaction to the movement. Your open minded and I'm giving "us" a bad name.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

For someone who votes (R) no matter what to call them "lemmings", is pretty funny.

I noticed you posted Lotionman's (yes, that's what he goes by) self hating Jew rant following lock step with the slimeball Emergency Committee For Israel and the right to paint some sort of Anti-Semitic motives with OWS.

Somehow you missed the Kol Nidre invocation before the start of Yom Kippur. At least you admitted to cherry picking.....

FUDU wrote:I think you're being obtuse, or just missing the point. Message does count. Being a centrist I'm fine with their protest, fine with some points of their message, I think, b/c again they are so vague.

Are you personally fine with their stated facts that poses as a substantial part of their message?

WTF are you talking about? You're just spouting out non sequiturs and jibberish.