Comments on: MMO Fan Shot: Replacing What Was Lost, Will $29.25 Million Suffice?http://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/
Thu, 17 Aug 2017 19:16:46 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.8.1By: RyanF55http://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1242241
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:11:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1242241Let me describe how this works, chief. They hire a GM, and the GM and his staff make these decisions. Their mistake was hiring staff that were incapable of doing both. The Wilpons don’t have a clue how to acquire and sustain talent, they only know how to write checks to somehow who they hope does. The GM is the sole person responsible for the team’s farm strength…you think Freddy goes in during the draft and picks players, or moreover tells the GM to not focus on the farm? Please.

You also asked me to tell you how they can do both when the team has no money? That’s my entire point. They’ve spent 29.25 million where this team needs about 100 million dollars worth of talent upgrades. The scope of this article was to highlight that this team hasn’t spent the way it needs to. The work their doing in the farm is tremendous but their inability to spend cripples the team. You can’t do both when the team has no money, and that’s my entire issue with this team. If you can’t pony up the NY-status cash to field a MLB team, then sell and get the F out.

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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:10:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1242191No chief. I understand the notion of doing both at the same time very well. The ones who seem to have a problem with it were the Wilpons who only focused their attention on the bog league club and overlooked the minors for decades. Then, when they focused upon the minors, they only did so because there was no money.

I think Granderson, Colon and Young could’ve found a better chance to win a WS with some other teams.

Why did they choose the Mets?

]]>By: RyanF55http://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241946
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:29:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241946I love you mentioned in a prior comment the failures of LAA, Detroit, Texas, Philly….are you kidding me? Those teams have had perennial playoff stretches while spending. Philly won in 08, went to the WS again in ’09, and appeared in the playoffs four straight years. Texas has also been to multiple WS, and though they didn’t win one, got there and have sustained along stretch of playoff appearances. LAA has had two horrendous signings – Hamilton and Pujols which have sunk their payroll, after a long run of playoff appearances. Detroit whom also hasn’t won it all have been to two world series since ’06 and have had multiple playoff runs and successful seasons. These teams all competed, and that’s what I desperately want the Mets to do.

You have an inability to understand a notion of both spending and building through the farm. Its alright to do both. If you solely do only one, you won’t win in this league with any consistency. The Mets need to build the farm, yes, but they also need to spend. We have a laughable SS right now. 1B is a complete question mark. We have Mike Recker backing up Travis d’Arnaud behind the plate. We have multiple question marks in the bullpen. We don’t have a veteran to compete with Mejia (compete with Mejia? Like we can have any faith in him staying healthy)
We can’t sign Corey Hart to compete for the 1B job on an incentive deal? We can’t bring in Arroyo to fill out the back end and provide another crucial arm? We can’t sign Hawkins to a 2.25 million dollar contract to provide stability in a young and unproven bullpen? What do you suppose we do, fill those needs through he draft? Suck for another 3 years and hope the 17 question marks we have pan out?

I agree that building the farm is completely crucial, but only if you have people in place that know what the hell they’re doing. And the same goes for money…if you spend wisely, you can absolutely improve the club, instantly. The Mets have proven they can’t do either. I want to see home grown talent all over this team, but you need to match it with quality FAs to round out the team.

]]>By: DrDoobyhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241914
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:55:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241914Actually that´s true. The more “Nimmos” you have, the better the odds that one of them has a massive breakout and becomes an elite prospect & eventually impact major leaguer.

If you´re only shooting for the next Daniel Murphy or Joe Smith, the odds for a solid complementary piece may be higher, but the odds for an impact player much lower.

As for Nimmo, here´s a little excerpt from Keith Law´s chat yesterday. Law isn´t exactly known as a huge Mets fan in general:

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tom (nj)
is it too soon to call brandon nimmo a bust?

Mitch (Udel)
Nimmo going to be a solid OF in the big’s one day or just be a poor man’s Roy Hobbs with the country-boy story?

Klaw
(1:44 PM)

Those showed up back-to-back. Why in God’s name would you label Nimmo a bust? I think he’s at least an average regular with a chance for more. Bear
in mind that Savannah is a terrible place to hit – he had a huge h/r split this year – and he came into pro ball with less baseball experience than the typical US HS kid.

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]]>By: DrDoobyhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241913
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:43:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241913Well, he happens to play for his favorite team as a kid and has the chance to be a career-long player here with the option of becoming a “team legend” and borderline Hall of Famer as a Met. So, nothing wrong with signing the extension last winter for him.

And nothing wrong with the Mets giving him a contract that looks more & more team friendlier by the day, compared to richer contracts signed by similar or even lesser players this winter.

And now it´s up to the FO & ownership to provide the necessary talent – by whatever avenue – to surround Wright with a good team. Even the team with the best player in Baseball, OF Mike Trout, finished below .500 in 2013, so no 1-man-show can turn around a Baseball team. Matt Harvey had a great 2013 season and ended up with 9 wins and his team with a 13-13 record in games he started.

The next winning Mets team will happen because of a strong pitching staff. That puts our hope on the shoulders of Zack Wheeler, Jennry Mejia, Rafael Montero and eventually Matt Harvey, Noah Syndergaard and others. With the good part being that there are options. If 2 of these 5 end up as studs going forward and another one is very solid too, that´s the core for a long term contender. Unlike in the past, there are multiple options in the lottery for now. And the bullpen is loaded with a plethora of young / upside arms as well. So, again, if Vic Black & Jeurys Familia bust, you have a bunch of options to go with instead going forward, say, Cory Mazzoni & Jeff Walters for e.g.

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241895
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:19:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241895Yeah it was pretty under the radar but so was the Prince deal. Pitching below the Majors is a deep concern for Detroit but so are young cost controlled players. I get the feeling that Detroit can’t support that payroll and they have Miguel, Scherzer and Austin Jackson coming up.

Catcher, corner OF and LHP are Detroits needs and they got two controllable LHP’s.

We couldn’t offer that but we could have offered one albeit 3 years away (if ever) and a pretty good catching prospect two years away.. Not sure if Detroit would have wanted to wait that long but I wouldn’t have wanted to pay that much anyway.

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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:03:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241892I wouldn’t think we would have to give up a catcher since they didn’t get one back but who knows. I wonder how many teams even knew Fister was available. I heard not one rumor regarding Fister.
]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241863
Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:46:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241863He did better than it appears at first glance and LHP from both sides of the mound was clearly what he was after although a catcher would have given him pause as might an OFer.

Maybe Matz and Plaweicki do it but that is too much for me as your talking 12 years compared to two and we’re not just one player away. We still need to get a long term impact SS and LH hitting corner OFer and continue evaluating another dozen young players between AA and the Majors.

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Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:03:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241839With all of the young pitching we have coming through the pipeline, I would’t even consider resigning Fister. I’d give him a QO and take the pick. I don’t think we’d have to part with Murphy in that deal or any of our better offensive prospects. Lombardozzi is nothing special.

You make sound points about the arms we would have to give up. I have no problem trading minor league relievers though. I don’t know what it would’ve taken from us to get him, I don’t even know f Sandy or too many other teams knew he was on the block. I still think he could’ve gotten more for Fister from somebody.

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241691
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:57:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241691So you were good with the “what OF?”

Who knew.

]]>By: RyanF55http://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241675
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:32:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241675How about we let Thor, Wheeler, d’Arnaud and Lagares prove their worth before we talk about big money, long-term extensions. I absolutely hope your right that they are deserving, but nobody has a clue yet. That said, I totally see both your points and you guys make good sense with. Still, even with locking those players up, the Mets will need to spend on top of that.
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Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:32:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241676I would have like LaTroy back and a guaranteed 2.5 M isn’t a big expenditure for the safety net he provides but……….

What makes you think Peralta would have wanted to come here? Would he have been just another guy on PED’s that you claim you didn’t want had we signed him?

Would he have even come here for 4/52 as he did St. Louis? St. Louis is the defending NL champions you know. Were the Mets ALL THAT more attractive a choice or would it have taken 5/65 to land him?

How would he have helped us Vs. RHP (which is our severe Achillies heel) more than Granderson?

Which veteran catcher should we have signed? AJ because the defending World Series Champions can’t be considered an attractive destination, now can they?

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241658
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 22:15:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241658Whenever I see LMAOOOO used in support of an opinion I realize that I am dealing with someone who can’t back an opinion with anything of substance.

Let me add some to this discussion.

The Mets have two ways to improve.

1) VS RHP where last year they were 33-48. (Vs. LHP they were 25-26) and

2) At home where they were 33-48 (41-40 on the road)

When you look at Marlon’s (’13) splits they run counter to where we need to improve.

Home: .257/.301/.425
Road: 325/.368/.594

Vs. RHP: ..268/.318/.480
Vs. LHP: 344/.376/.583

That’s where Granderson comes in as a LH bat with speed.

Career splits for Granderson:

Vs. RHP .274/.357/.519
Vs. LHP .226/.295/.409

Granderson/Byrd was a flip flop in platoon splits while adding better speed and defense and the LH bat a better add for this team on into the future than a RH one with Lagares, Puello and Vaughn. Hence that 18 M was put into Granderson.

Now it does no good to increase winning percentage Vs. RHP or at home if we give it up Vs. LHP or on the road where we are already at .500 and that is where Young on a one year deal comes in with Puello and Vaughn in the wings.

Career splits for Young.

Vs. RHP ..225/.295/.415
Vs. LHP 262/.363/.474

That triple slash vs. LHP is about what I expect out of Byrd this year even playing in CBP so that has been replaced assuming Young performs.

We have also added better OF defense and stolen bases to our lineup as Young and Granderson (in a pinch) can play CF if Juan goes down (as he did in the DWL) or doesn’t hit as MDD was the only logical in house option at CF as he’s an EXTREME risk.

I also don’t expect Marlon to repeat his .353 BABIP mark in 2014 as he got a lot GB’s through the SS-3B hole last year and that might not be the case this year.

I would not have minded re-signing Byrd but adding speed, OF defense and a LH bat in Granderson is a better alternative than adding say Byrd and Murphy or McClouth on 1-2 year ones and forget about Choo or Ellsbury on 7 year deals.

Whether it’ll work or not remains to be seen but at least that was thinking IMO behind the signings of CG and CY and the non re-signing of Byrd.

]]>By: Just_Da_damajahttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241630
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 21:38:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241630“Had they not made those signings the complaints about “not doing anything” would have been re re raised.”

NOPE

they could’ve taken the 17.5 mil they spent on those 2 bums and gotten..

that would result in a better team, with more wins, that bring in more fans that bring in more money that bring in the capacity to get more players.

the mets instead did exactly what u complained they always do

spending for the sake of appeasing fans.

]]>By: Just_Da_damajahttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241625
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 21:26:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241625i doubt they will draw that much. and if they are as uninteresting in June as they were in July of last year, their fans will stop coming earlier and earlier in the year.
]]>By: Just_Da_damajahttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241622
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 21:24:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241622Well considering that Chris Young has been riding the pine more than the ball the last few years, why would u pay him 7.5 mil when we could pay Byrd 8 mil and get a starter.

No wait.

Sandy said he foresaw using Byrd as a 4th OF.

5:39 pm: ”We didn’t have extensive discussions with Marlon,” Mets GM Sandy Alderson said in Orlando on Tuesday. “It wasn’t a place where we were prepared to be aggressive.”

11:43 am: The Mets were valuing Byrd as a fourth outfielder, which made a return unlikely

So the mets paid Oakland’s 4th OF to be a starter and passed up on their best power hitter last year because they thought he was a 4th OF

LMAOOOO

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241601
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 20:34:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241601Where did I saw that “two years of Colon is awesome.”

I was responding to someone who said Washington “gave up nothing” for Fister which isn’t true at all. I then speculated on what a comparable package would have cost us.

Since we don’t have any LHP’s in general and I wouldn’t want to give up Niese and Matz which would the most direct comp to what Detroit got, I speculated on how else we could have obtained Fister.

Probably cost us something along the lines of Plaweicki, Montero and either Tejada or Tovar. That to me isn’t worth two years of Fister.

Colon cost nothing to obtain so in our teams timeline fits us a lot better and unlike Washington, we probably cannot afford to extend Fister and he is a risk to get hurt too. Less so than colon obviously but we didn’t give up Plaweicki, Montero and Tejada/Tovar for him.

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241586
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 20:03:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241586Except for the fact that I specifically mentioned that Phillips got us four future All Stars (Reyes, Wright, Kazmir and Carlos Gomez) and left one he inherited (Heath Bell) in the minors.

Nice revisionism.

]]>By: jason bayhttp://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/01/mmo-fan-shot-replacing-what-was-lost-will-29-25-million-suffice.html/#comment-1241583
Thu, 09 Jan 2014 19:54:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=139186#comment-1241583I like the idea of having 3 CFer’s at Citi Field in Lagares, Young and Granderson and I also like that they can all run the bases and drive the ball.

Colon for 2 years and no draft pick is not a bad investment either.

Had they not made those signings the complaints about “not doing anything” would have been re re raised. Now the complaints are about not signing Choo, Cruz and Ervin Santana I suppose.