Pedro I Rengel wrote:So what are the goals of Joe? Is it really fair to say that it is to walk around aimlessly like a headless chicken?

It is probably not fair, but all the more true. Though paradoxically it seams to me more his fate than his goal.

Or is it possible that there can be a disease of goal setting? I think this disease is the pretence that there is an alternative to fate.

Yes, for sure this is one of the ailments, neuroses, spasms that came about with, I suppose, the death of God. This is why I don't make decisions in the modern world, I just have made the decision to refuse the modern world at every juncture as I draw my straight line under Zeus.

Further, if glory is totally owned, it is possible to give true honour to another glorious human. Napoleons exulting words about Jesus were only possible because Nap knew Jesus could not touch his own achievement.

Nap was ready to fall back to be a leaf in the wind, because he had already been the storm. And that is what he will forever be.

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Once fate is acceptes, all victory and all mistake is allowed. /quote]

Maybe I am not understanding you here but with your first four words you seem to be detaching from any Will or Determination at all. So how can one consider the outcome to be one's fate if it could have been otherwise by determining the results by one's own behavior and will to act. I may not have expressed that well.

But if we are honest, what would be our preference?[

To be self-determined creatures, not part of the Borg mentality.

“How can a bird that is born for joySit in a cage and sing?” ― William Blake