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House for All Sinners and SaintsI am the mission developer for House for All Sinners and Saints in Denver, Colorado. We are an urban liturgical community with a progressive yet deeply rooted theological imagination. Check out our site for more info.

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Nadia Bolz-Weber (that's me!): Salvation on the Small Screen? 24 Hours of Christian TelevisionHere's my book. You should buy it.

Kester Brewin: Signs of EmergenceThis book is tremendous. Drawing on his background as a math teacher, Brewin explores why the church is where it is and why it is to change...using complexity theory. This is a must read.

"So, what IS the 'emerging church'?"

If I had a dollar for every person who has asked me "So, what IS the emerging church?" we could meet our budget this year. Here's my own definition, and it is just that - my definition. Not the definition. When I use the term "emerging church" here's what I mean by that. (I feel like I'm walking into a mine field, but here we go....)

Emerging Church:Christian communities that emerge out of very particular cultural contexts where the traditional church is basically irrelevant. These cultural contexts are more often than not urban, youngish and post-modern.

Emerging church is not a worship style. I know emerging churches that do traditional liturgy with Jazz (Mercy Seat), who use electronica (Church of the Beloved), who are acapella Gregorian chant (House for All Sinners and Saints) and who do nothing but old time Southern gospel (House of Mercy).

So, when trad churches in the suburbs are wanting to attract young people (with all the good intentions in the world) and they ape
some kind of worship style they read about in a Zondervan book by starting an "emerging" worship service,
it's a bit ironic.

Ok, now before you leave me angry responses let me say; this is not saying that there is something wrong with the traditional church. Trad church is often a faithful expression of Christian community. But my friends would have to culturally commute from who they are to who the trad church is. This is why I want to make a t-shirt that says "light all the candles you want to; they are not coming". The back of the shirt would say "It's ok to be who you are (traditional, suburban, small town, conservative, Methodist...what ever it is..... Be it."

For the record: I wanted to start a church in a context that I am native to. I am not "targeting a population" nor have I at any point had to ask myself "what is it they want"? They being post-modern urban young adults. I am they.

so true ... resonates so much with my experience ... truly truly hate having to listen to pathetic variants on the theme of 'ooo we are doing alt worship' no you are not you sad puppy you are pretending to be something you are not try learning a little of the ethos understanding the community ... and if i may just add ... having been doing this twenty years i will go one further ... i hate the labels ... we started out as 'alt' ... we became 'post-evangelical' (ok kinda our fault but hey we didn't say name yourself after a book you muppet) ... we were then 'emergent' ... and now fresh (expletive) expressions ... here's the thing ... we never asked you to label us ... they are your labels not ours ... thanks for your help ... you can leave us alone now ... the door is the wooden thing in the wall ... use it :)

Thanks for this. I was part of an emergent gathering that lit candles, and had multi-sensory worship experiences. But we also served our community together, ate together, traveled on mission together--We wanted to be the church more than we wanted to attract "the young people." True how so many Existing Church leaders think that "emergent" is synonymous with some sort of alt worship. Try Authenticity, that works better than candles and incense.

"These cultural contexts are more often than not urban, youngish and post-modern."

I think you should ditch this from your definition. Once you give such examples you imply they are the norm and you are in danger of limiting what should be the limitless opportunities of liberation theology. I have been applying emergent church philosophy to gatherings of elderly people, in non-church settings, for years and it is just as exciting and rewarding for all concerned.

As you say, you cannot do emergent church to people and the people, like yourself, who are called from out of a specific cultural context to initiate new expressions of church tend, at this moment in time, to be young(ish). I think this is the main reason why most of the new ecclesial communities are as you state. However, there are many older folk like myself, who were enthused by the South American experiments in the 70s and 80s, who need to be encouraged to apply emergent church methodology to their own cultural contexts. I would hate to see them put off by the movement being identified solely with young urbanites with tattoos.

I agree with you and what you say here for the most part, but when I started a "post-modern" worship service in the burbs a few years ago, there was great diversity of people who attended, ranging from teens who just wanted a service that wasn't boring to a couple of people in their 60's who were just glad to see the church trying new things (and were happy to FUND us).

I will say that nothing drives me crazy quite as much as ripping off the latest Zondervan book on the subject. When we did it - and as I am planning to do it again at our mission - the service was a little more organic in its origins.

Nadia, you have a real gift for hitting the nail on the head. I'm a pastor in rural ND and I still have people saying, "we should start a contemporary worship so the young people will come." the really infuriating part of that is that when they say "we" they mean me, the pastor. Arrrggghhh.
On another subject, I loved your reading from your book. I laughed out loud so many times. I especially like your description, "a heavily tattooed Lutheran woman who swears like a truck-driver," because that also describes my wife. Peace to you.

I recently went to a continuing ed event where it was pointed out that the church is trying to minister to 5 generations, prior to this it was at most 3. Thinking about that and your definition (which I appreciate) leads me to this thought.

With 5 generations in the church does this mean that someone(s) need to "culturally commute" (a nice turn of phrase)in some way shape or form... or does it mean that we need to become culturally/generationally (although I know this is a hasty generalization) segregated as a church?

Speaking for the 50 plus contingent at HFASS, I'm with the MadPriest on this one. To me, emergent is a different way of seeing/being that may be mostly embraced by urban youth, but not sure "youth" or "urban" should define emergent...

I'm caught by the question from Brian above who wonders if church communities will end up choosing between some cultural commuting and cultural segregation. In my own work I encounter a lot of elders who end up being forced to "culturally commute" or leave their communities due to changes. Perhaps there's a power dynamic--the generation or generations which holds the power in the organization gets to define mission and worship in ways that may exclude both the young and the old. So communities like HFASS may answer a need not by adopting one specific worship style but by creating space where those who've been disempowered elsewhere are the ones who make the decisions, and where the power dynamic in decision-making is carefully attended to. Love the pic.

That's pretty much the phrase I use "reach those for whom church is not in their vocabulary." I love a full blown evensong and find some traditional church services very moving especially during Holy Week. But I am also a prenatal Episcopalian, so I'm more likely than many to venture into a church. The challenge is how to be the church so it's much more than just a building.

I don't use the term emergent/emerging unless necessary since Andrew Jones said dump it. Sometimes when there's too much baggage involved, it's best not to keep having discussions but get on with doing the work whatever it's called. Sounds like the church plant is doing very well.

Ah, you are wrong here, Nadia. I am a veteran. I attended the second ever Greenbelt back in the early 70s and wet every year until the madness set in 10 years ago. I'm afraid it's the phobias and panics that stop me going now. But I promise that if I win the Lottery between now and then and can afford to stay in a good hotel in Cheltenham who can cater for my quirks, I will most certainly be there just to meet you. But don't get your hopes up - I never gamble and so never enter the Lottery.

I think you're spot on Nadia...and I say that as one who leads a community of mostly "not youngish" folks that gathers in the carriage house of one of our members...i.e. not urban and not hip. lol. David and I are the only ones who have piercings and tats. (as if that was some for of "hip" barometer or something)

And I'll toss my hat in for the phrase "cultural commute" as well. love it.

I see you meet in the Mercury Cafe.....The band I was in during college played in the Mercury Cafe..... my car was towed from the parking lot too that night as we went out after and when we came back the next day it was towed. That's why that place sticks out in my memory...