But is an apple all that is in the bag? No. Air, particles of who knows what, and what all is an apple made of? So maybe truth is more complex and,
at best, only partial and to lesser or greater extent unknowable.

I'm going with the standard definition, why should I reinvent the wheel?

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Objectivity (philosophy) ... A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met
without biases caused by feelings, ideas, opinions, etc., of a sentient subject

originally posted by: rickymouse
first thing to ask, is if the person knows the difference between an apple and an orange.

That's a question that could drag on for a while. The difference would depend on whether or not said observer recognized a difference between the two.
Then you have a fork in the road with two separate groups, one that observes the difference and the other that doesn't.

This is how wars start, Belief systems and Control mongering adversaries.

Assuming our discussion is on topic. As
the truth of scripture being the highest
as well as the most important truth known.
I'll engage.

So is a curious child, who naturally questions what they are told to believe by authority, a negative thinker, if they see no evidence of the 'fact'
given to them by their higher-ups ?

Not an easy one to answer. Luckily I have
never been "Told what to believe "by any one.
However I can admit to you this. If had been
"Told" I would ikely never have come to my
conclusions. Because being told anything
by anyone never set well with me. So I was
lucky in that regard.

And how is a curious child ever a negative
thinker? Sadly that comes later when we think
we know something.

Most children aren't aware of scientific
protocol. The simply choose to believe
something or they don't. IMO

Yeah - it sucks that every mortal can lie. Hence, trust no-one and Judge everyone by the fruits they bare.

I would argue this point from the platform of
"Freedom of choice". More correctly written,
It sucks that mortals choose to lie. To them
selves most of all.

Maybe read the OT. The amount of contradictions are staggering. Example: if everything died during the Great Flood, where did all the Rephaim pop-up
from whilst the Israelites were exiting Egypt ?

On these boards alone, these contradictions as
you refer to. Have been discussed ad nauseum.
Can scripture be attacked, mocked, regarded as
myth even lies? Can it be ridiculed for lacking
evidence of God and his miracles? Can what
seem to be at best petty contradictions be
found?
Of course! But is it just the common fallacy of
the written word being played by unbelievers?
You can do a critque or edit a note from your
mom and get the same results. It is all a very
week argument. And has never come close to
being cause to consider any other view. Does
scripture speak of miracles that make it sound
hokey and unbelievable? OMG hell yes it does!
BIGTIME. But when I look at every other view
possible I can think of. They are all even more
hokey and unbelievable. And that is a FACT!
Try and explain existence with a belief in
nothing?

If Noah and family were perfect 100% pure sinless DNA, how did countless Jews keep returning to sin during the 'Exodus' and have to be killed off by
god in 'Numbers' ?

Even if someone says, there is an apple inside the bag. The truth is that I really do not know what is inside the bag. That is my truth, until someone
actually show me what is inside. Everything else is just a probability.

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