We have had quite a few German climbers in EL, over the years... they are slow! Very dam slow! Arrive late to start with, take there time to get into the ir vehicals, drive slowly to the crag, walkin slowly & then waste time getting started....then they climb slow....THREADING cantake hours!! I have never seen any thing like it. They apear to all be like that. So f888ing frustrating. How do they build good cars?