the old Sarrycan, does anyone know why...

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LE

this is a specialist Saracen wheeled APC pictured above, (you'll find this example at the Bovington Tank Museum Dorset.)
There were many of these sitting around in NI up until 1984, were they all sold off for scrap ect? if, and it's a big if, because I wasn't there, but my question is this... could these have saved lives in Iraq if we'd had these in the early stages of the operation instead of the snatch Landrovers. If they were kept mothballed somewhere, ran through base workshops, could they have? what's your opinion?

MIA

An Ex REME mate of mine has one, he joined this very site briefly but everyone who posted on his thread was somewhat abusive. (shock horror)
from what he's said of the design there are many areas that could be improved, in particular the drive to all 6 wheels, oil lines, cooling and electrics as well as visibility for the driver. the list is pretty long really.

LE

one thing which was picked up early on is why the US military didn't ask for any of the 1000 (IIRC) or so m113s in storage in kuwait at the time instead the up armour humvee thing they tried and failed with.

same goes for us - not enough tracked stuff, like the debate over tanks in afghanistan.

by the time it had been bar armoured to cope with rpg you could have built new ones - we could have picked up the buffel cheap enough if we left BAE out of the equation

LE

MIA

IIRC it was abuse over asking about wearing uniform of a unit that's been disbanded in his saracen (hired out for weddings and such like) and some of the usual abuse over how a friend of his looked on her wedding in said saracen.

LE

ok, that sums it up quite well enough, bit odd, Sarrycan at a wedding, but hey, takes all types to make a world.
the old problems with fuel lines and drive train ect could have been rebuilt, It may have taken longer than developing new vehicles the way they did, but I doubt it.

LE

IIRC it was abuse over asking about wearing uniform of a unit that's been disbanded in his saracen (hired out for weddings and such like) and some of the usual abuse over how a friend of his looked on her wedding in said saracen.

LE

IIRC it was abuse over asking about wearing uniform of a unit that's been disbanded in his saracen (hired out for weddings and such like) and some of the usual abuse over how a friend of his looked on her wedding in said saracen.

MIA

LE

one thing which was picked up early on is why the US military didn't ask for any of the 1000 (IIRC) or so m113s in storage in kuwait at the time instead the up armour humvee thing they tried and failed with.

same goes for us - not enough tracked stuff, like the debate over tanks in afghanistan.

by the time it had been bar armoured to cope with rpg you could have built new ones - we could have picked up the buffel cheap enough if we left BAE out of the equation

Force Protection had major, major problems producing the Buffalo they just did not have the manufacturing capacity, personnel or the right management teams in place at the time - they only had a handful of guys working there they had to team up with BAe, Armor Holdings and GD in order to gain access to their manufacturing base and experience, indeed several of FPs orders were made with those companies instead because FP couldn't cope.

LE

this is a specialist Saracen wheeled APC pictured above, (you'll find this example at the Bovington Tank Museum Dorset.)
There were many of these sitting around in NI up until 1984, were they all sold off for scrap ect? if, and it's a big if, because I wasn't there, but my question is this... could these have saved lives in Iraq if we'd had these in the early stages of the operation instead of the snatch Landrovers. If they were kept mothballed somewhere, ran through base workshops, could they have? what's your opinion?

LE

ya see Gassin badgers that's where my question lies, slab sides don't protect you from blasts from underneath, IED'S are laid in the roadway, making vehicles and their crews and passengers vulnerable under the floor, slab sides would protect you from direct fire projectiles or IED side on blasts, I'm no expert, so I'm just asking, extra bolt on armour under a six wheeler rather than light Kevlar fitted to a light truck.

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this is a specialist Saracen wheeled APC pictured above, (you'll find this example at the Bovington Tank Museum Dorset.)
There were many of these sitting around in NI up until 1984, were they all sold off for scrap ect? if, and it's a big if, because I wasn't there, but my question is this... could these have saved lives in Iraq if we'd had these in the early stages of the operation instead of the snatch Landrovers. If they were kept mothballed somewhere, ran through base workshops, could they have? what's your opinion?

RIP

ya see Gassin badgers that's where my question lies, slab sides don't protect you from blasts from underneath, IED'S are laid in the roadway, making vehicles and their crews and passengers vulnerable under the floor, slab sides would protect you from direct fire projectiles or IED side on blasts, I'm no expert, so I'm just asking, extra bolt on armour under a six wheeler rather than light Kevlar fitted to a light truck.

Without the 'V' shaped hull seen on most of the wheeled armoured vehicles in theatre now, you're going to be fucked anyway. Challenger 2, Warrior, etc all very susceptible to AT mines and IEDs. The design of the Mastiff and other newer vehicles gives them a huge advantage over traditional flat bottomed, tracked vehicles.

LE

ya see Gassin badgers that's where my question lies, slab sides don't protect you from blasts from underneath, IED'S are laid in the roadway, making vehicles and their crews and passengers vulnerable under the floor, slab sides would protect you from direct fire projectiles or IED side on blasts, I'm no expert, so I'm just asking, extra bolt on armour under a six wheeler rather than light Kevlar fitted to a light truck.