Gee it must have been hard trying to keep track of Vees in the old days. The Hahn Rennmax had the 'Hahn' added when Bernie bought it off Ken Goodwin otherwise it was a mk 1 with Standfast trailing arm pick ups. The #20 Hahn looks to be the '65 Formcar that Bernie bought in and according to him first ran at Easter Bathurst 1968.Photo 7 has Frank K leading Terry Q ( the Quartly has a square shaped added section in the rear near the exhaust outlet) but in fact was sold as a Mako, Bernie in the Hahn Rennmax is following. As I mentioned before the Mako that became a Quartly then finally became a Mako again in the late 70's then dissapeared probably in total confusion! The Hahn Rennmax should make it's racing return at Tasman. Ian do you have any photos of the 'Club' vee that Craig Bradshaw had at one stage? The Fatouros bodywork very similar.

That car is a looks basically like an Autodynamics Caldwell D13 frame (large botton round tubes) and the brake master cylinders under the drivers knees.

Gee love the steel frame inside the nose cone, hate to get t boned by it. No your mystery vee e-mail from 2011. You had a photo from the Oran Park esses from about 68 but I checked the photo and it's not that similar either. I'll just sit down and shut up now!

Gee love the steel frame inside the nose cone, hate to get t boned by it. No your mystery vee e-mail from 2011. You had a photo from the Oran Park esses from about 68 but I checked the photo and it's not that similar either. I'll just sit down and shut up now!

Feel free to throw a suggestion around, we though maybe Maurie Fordham's last Phantom, or maybe a Eric Marsh or an Andy Fischer or Helmet Ricker experiment car.

I'm just re-scanning some of David Keep's Longford shots and found a few Vee pics. They only raced at Longford in 1968 before it all closed down. They had a scratch race on the Saturday which Mike Bessant won in his Scarab (he's just behind Mike Bruce's Elfin Vee heading into the Viaduct braking area) - his top speed was 95 mph on the Flying Mile. The Handicap was won by Joe Olding in the Goblin Vee from Bessant and Pat Stride. No Vee race was held on the wet Monday.

Wasn't a great meeting for Cullen. He had a trip into the scrub at Newry before "losing his gears on the downchange to the viaduct" (Fast Track Back - Barry Green). Tas Auto News reported, "Graham Cullen absolutely demolished the Cullen Marine Services C.M.S. Vee when he lost it under the viaduct and left the track on the beginning of the causeway to end up on the dry river bed about eight feet below the road with the car breaking up as it landed." Few more Vee shots from the site too.

Wasn't a great meeting for Cullen. He had a trip into the scrub at Newry before "losing his gears on the downchange to the viaduct" (Fast Track Back - Barry Green). Tas Auto News reported, "Graham Cullen absolutely demolished the Cullen Marine Services C.M.S. Vee when he lost it under the viaduct and left the track on the beginning of the causeway to end up on the dry river bed about eight feet below the road with the car breaking up as it landed." Few more Vee shots from the site too.

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The car in the background looks like it took inspiration from WA's BMH Holden Special - otherwise known as The Comic Book Car. Tom Benson races it now, with a great deal of verve.

And you just know this is a really early Vee - no camber cable, no transverse leaf.

Those coils under the gearbox are a very complex way of doing the same job of the traditional leaf spring [known as a 'camber-compensator'].

Most Vees nowadays use only a 'compensator' for the rear suspension....be it a leaf spring [under], or a single coil, or sometimes a Z bar [over] the gearbox. The theory is that this gives 'Zero roll resistance'. The cable serves to limit droop, but not roll.

Most people think there is nothing much to a Vee suspension......wrong!

Those coils under the gearbox are a very complex way of doing the same job of the traditional leaf spring [known as a 'camber-compensator'].

Most Vees nowadays use only a 'compensator' for the rear suspension....be it a leaf spring [under], or a single coil, or sometimes a Z bar [over] the gearbox. The theory is that this gives 'Zero roll resistance'. The cable serves to limit droop, but not roll.

Most people think there is nothing much to a Vee suspension......wrong!

Bruce, the FBW special was actually built from the remains of Bevan Wylie's Ford 10 Special. It was lying in a paddock just down from Bob Wright's place and he couldn't bear looking at it
in such a state so bought it for $100 and rebuilt it. He used the motor out of a Borgward Isabella which just happened to be lying around. Cost him virtually nothing to build and he had quite a bit of success
in Div 2 Sports and Racing. Next owner Roger Bradley had some wins too. Very light car and no doubt Bob had it properly sorted as well.

I'll go out on a limb here but the rear shot of the car marked as Brian roberts Elfin I doubt it is an Elfin. Chassis from the roll bar back is totally different as is the roll bar and it's central brace bar.
DC

Those coils under the gearbox are a very complex way of doing the same job of the traditional leaf spring [known as a 'camber-compensator'].

Most Vees nowadays use only a 'compensator' for the rear suspension....be it a leaf spring [under], or a single coil, or sometimes a Z bar [over] the gearbox. The theory is that this gives 'Zero roll resistance'. The cable serves to limit droop, but not roll.

Most people think there is nothing much to a Vee suspension......wrong!

When I bought the Quartly from Terry in the '70s it had only coil springs and the cable. It must have been the way Terry preferred it but each time I drove over the Northern crossing at the Farm the car would leap into the air and usually break the cable. That made the right hander at the crossing exit very interesting. You knew the cable hadn't broken if you got thru the corner otherwise it had. Dunno how Terry managed it. Anyway being a boring type I bought a compensator spring from B.K Haenle which did the trick.

The Northern Crossing could be a trifle difficult with its rapid changes in elevation, even though they were small. I watched cars coming over it for six years and saw some hairy moments there, Doug Macarthur's included.

I'll go out on a limb here but the rear shot of the car marked as Brian roberts Elfin I doubt it is an Elfin. Chassis from the roll bar back is totally different as is the roll bar and it's central brace bar.DC

I agree, David. The only thing Elfin-looking [from that view] is the four single pipe exhaust. My Elfin came with those pipes, and when I made the 4-into-2-into-1 for it, there was a 4hp increase! Don't laugh......that's 10 percent.

I agree, David. The only thing Elfin-looking [from that view] is the four single pipe exhaust. My Elfin came with those pipes, and when I made the 4-into-2-into-1 for it, there was a 4hp increase! Don't laugh......that's 10 percent.

Good to meet you at Wakefield Park, by the way.

Yeah was good to finally meet Greg. I've seen photos of the Mako, it's coming along nicely. i've got Type 500 chassis #667 here at the moment, I'll try to take some photos.

with all the Amaroo tv coverage for vees over 15 or so years it's the only youtube stuff from the time I've seen. I had Amaroo from about '84 to' 90 which I think was the last year of our coverage but the got 'lost'. Has anyone out there got any Amaroo vee tapes from the period?

The Vees can thank Mike Raymond like him or not] for the coverage that Vees got in that time. It looked very good on TV.
And probably without him HQs would never have been more than a local Tassy class.The race they got on the ATCC telecast is what brought them into prominence.
In those days the TV actually showcased interesting motorsport instead of franchised racing like happens these days. And a good race on the day sometimes got you telecast, not planned months before.

During my time it didn’t hurt that Evan Green was doing the TV commentary and his son, Gavin, was racing Vees! I have a few races from the mid-late 70s on VHS but when this was raised earlier I suggested someone contact Gavin – a motoring journalist in the UK – to see if he had tapes.

The Vees can thank Mike Raymond like him or not] for the coverage that Vees got in that time. It looked very good on TV.And probably without him HQs would never have been more than a local Tassy class.The race they got on the ATCC telecast is what brought them into prominence.In those days the TV actually showcased interesting motorsport instead of franchised racing like happens these days. And a good race on the day sometimes got you telecast, not planned months before.

The Coca Cola money helped enormously. The Vee association brought the coke money to Amaroo which went on to also cover the Formula Fords as well. Mike was a huge fan of Bernie that's for sure. I think Bernie's car was the pioneer for openwheel race cam out here. It all seemed to work for everyone in all classes at Amaroo. Entries were higher than a club meeting but not that high considering. You got prize money and you had tv coverage that you could sell to small sponsors.

I'm intrigued by the Spectre car 24 driven by Ken Taylor in this race. I purchased an 87 Kingfischer in late 94 from Mike Cullinan down Gippsland way that had the exact same bodywork as this car, with the exception of the engine inlet snorkel. The blue, white and yellow colour scheme is identical though. Yet the logbook that came with my car showed it as having black and orange bodywork at some earlier time. Both being NG Elfin copies I guess it was possible that this bodywork ended up on my car at some stage.

I'm intrigued by the Spectre car 24 driven by Ken Taylor in this race. I purchased an 87 Kingfischer in late 94 from Mike Cullinan down Gippsland way that had the exact same bodywork as this car, with the exception of the engine inlet snorkel. The blue, white and yellow colour scheme is identical though. Yet the logbook that came with my car showed it as having black and orange bodywork at some earlier time. Both being NG Elfin copies I guess it was possible that this bodywork ended up on my car at some stage.

Mark

Known Ken for about 32 years. He sold the car after this race and retired till making a comeback in 2010 in Qld in a 1600 Jacer. Car was sold as is Geoff Humble and raced for a few years with a couple of different drivers but hasn't raced since about 1991. It's sitting in a Geoff's garage in Newcastle. The colours were based around the Williams F1 of 85/86. Ken's car ran bodywork out of molds that his old man Len had produced. My car and a few others ran the same bodywork. The molds are stting in a container outside now. As far as I know the car was sold with this bodywork which was then painted green but I'll check with Ken the next time I catch up with him.

Originally posted by JacerThe Coca Cola money helped enormously. The Vee association brought the coke money to Amaroo which went on to also cover the Formula Fords as well. Mike was a huge fan of Bernie that's for sure. I think Bernie's car was the pioneer for openwheel race cam out here. It all seemed to work for everyone in all classes at Amaroo.....

Channel 7 were smitten by the close racing of Vees, that was the only reason they got the airtime...

However, you're right Ray… How stupid of those clowns at Channel 7 to not see that their viewers and the paying spectators were really hanging out for faster cars all holding position after the first lap and stringing out further and further apart as ‘the race’ progressed. Not forgetting the high excitement as frequently one car experienced mechanical failure and the following cars all moved up a place!