I know I find it totally asinine when people talk about skills and wages and jobs.

It's clear to see for anyone who isn't looking for confirmation bias that we are entering well hell we have been in new territory all century with
technological advancements. It's just a matter of time. We should be discussing how we are going to implement these things rather than if we are going
to because there either be upheaval or change.

I know I find it totally asinine when people talk about skills and wages and jobs.

It's clear to see for anyone who isn't looking for confirmation bias that we are entering well hell we have been in new territory all century with
technological advancements. It's just a matter of time. We should be discussing how we are going to implement these things rather than if we are going
to because there either be upheaval or change.

Well in certain areas automation and robotics will take over, in many fields they can be more accurate and work in conditions that are harmful to
people.

But we have vaste areas of prouductive work that are better served by skilled labor - such as healthcare, farming, teaching and all creative
endeavors. In these 'service to others' domains most workers are undertrainted and underpaid. We need to provide the training and wages to bring
people into these fields.

Skilled labor jobs - the traditional ones as well as the 'white collar' ones. Customer service, plumbing, computer services, painting, etc. None of
those things can be 'well done' with automation or robots no matter how 'fancy'. The human touch has value and needs to be compensated adequately.

I wrote a paper years ago about "High Tech requires High Touch" that the more we rely on technological answers the more we become isolated from other
people and the world. We need to include human interactions and interaction with nature as part of our daily lives.

I'm drifting here....

I don't think technology is THE answer; I think it can be a very useful part of the multiple answers necessary for a 21st century society.

a reply to: FyreByrd
In all honesty, there is no such thing as unskilled labour. People love to talk down on "unskilled labour" as if they are subhuman garbage, but I
challenge these morons to live without the "subhumans" for a few months. Without "unskilled labour" that a lot spit on, the western world would come
to a screeching hault. I wish it would happen soon, a huge "unskilled labour" protest. I am personally "skilled labour", but I have worked "unskilled
labour" jobs before. I was illegally running wendy's drive through at night on school nights, for minimum wage. At the time I thought it was awesome,
got to do what I wanted, got paid, got to work way more hours than I was supposed to on school nights. Knowing what I know now, I was taken advantage
of, earning minimum wage, while doing management's job, other than counting money, which was all management was doing while I ran the place lol. I
also made that same mistake running macy's night crew in receiving the year after that, but for a whole dollar more per hour than minimum wage. Damn
idiot kid I was.

a reply to: onequestion
Sorry, had a bit too much firewater lol. But seriously, any employer that thinks they can do without any employee, why did they hire them in the first
place? Because they didn't want to do that job themself of course. Pay them a living wage, or do that # yourself! Simple concept I think, and no
amount of namecalling like unskilled is gonna change that. Don't want to pay a man/woman enough to clean your bathrooms to live on their own? Do it
yourself then! Argh, the logic is killing the economic vampires I bet lol.

I appreciate the thought provoking topic and civil discourse of this OP. I don't like the idea of socialism because it doesn't fit my ideas of
personal responsibility and how I want to live. It is far to invasive in to lives of people that want to live free from Government. My concerns are
that I will be forced to live in and participate in your society. I like the idea of leaving someplace like Alaska available for people who still
want to live free.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: FyreByrd
In all honesty, there is no such thing as unskilled labour. People love to talk down on "unskilled labour" as if they are subhuman garbage, but I
challenge these morons to live without the "subhumans" for a few months. Without "unskilled labour" that a lot spit on, the western world would come
to a screeching hault. I wish it would happen soon, a huge "unskilled labour" protest. I am personally "skilled labour", but I have worked "unskilled
labour" jobs before. I was illegally running wendy's drive through at night on school nights, for minimum wage. At the time I thought it was awesome,
got to do what I wanted, got paid, got to work way more hours than I was supposed to on school nights. Knowing what I know now, I was taken advantage
of, earning minimum wage, while doing management's job, other than counting money, which was all management was doing while I ran the place lol. I
also made that same mistake running macy's night crew in receiving the year after that, but for a whole dollar more per hour than minimum wage. Damn
idiot kid I was.

I stand corrected, and embarrassed you are 100% correct that no labor is 'unskilled'. Thank you for pointing out my used of 'language' designed to
demean and belittle.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I appreciate the thought provoking topic and civil discourse of this OP. I don't like the idea of socialism because it doesn't fit my ideas of
personal responsibility and how I want to live. It is far to invasive in to lives of people that want to live free from Government. My concerns are
that I will be forced to live in and participate in your society. I like the idea of leaving someplace like Alaska available for people who still
want to live free.

Other people may have more generous ideas of 'personal responsibilty' that include being responsible for others in the community as well. I feel a
personal responsibilty to care for the less fortunate regardless of the reason. I'm not opposed to private 'charities' but those often come with
'requirements' for service and I want the services to be available to all.

Social democrary is about getting personal/religious/corporate, etc agenda out of the business of caring for the well-being of ALL citizens of a
society.

a reply to: beezzer
Socialism works great, on a small scale. I live in a small ass town, there is a lot of socialism that goes on, though those that live here would dare
not call it that. A neighbor has some catastrophe happen, we help. I guess it's not the same as socialism perse, as it is all voluntary. For example,
when grandma died, we didn't have to cook a meal for weeks. People just kept bringing food. A neighbor lost his wife, same deal. Hell, I even stopped
by a few times with a big ass bottle of shine to keep him company for the night. A neighbor will never starve or freeze here due to hardship. Sounds a
lot like socialism eh?

a reply to: FyreByrd
I try to watch my language, I did a lot of NLP type study. I think destructive language has a lot to do with what is wrong with our world, no proof on
that of course, just seems to make sense to me. Even though I try to watch what I say, I still can't always stop myself from using retarded in a
derogatory sense sometimes

a reply to: beezzer
Yeah, I guess ultimately, you are right. It kinda sucks that some communities are so #ty, that they need to have a gun pointed at their face to do
right. Or maybe that is the biggest problem, that the threat of violence is actually not needed at all. Who knows anymore.

originally posted by: TKDRL
It kinda sucks that some communities are so #ty, that they need to have a gun pointed at their face to do right.

This is a truth that many choose to ignore.

For example, a lot of people complain about government oversight, like the EPA, forcing companies to keep things clean but the reason it even exists
is because some companies could not police themselves. It took the threat of force. What other option was there?

a reply to: daskakik
EPA lol.... They only bother with companies that don't pay them off. Legal distortion. I guess the same can be said about prettymuch every other
government entity. They never stopped # from happening, they stopped # from happenning without paying them off first. Such a joke.

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