<God warns the wicked; Deal not foolishly , lift not up your horn on high, speak not with a stiff neck;
All the horns of the wicked will be cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted;
The power of mighty men are no match for the wrath of God.
God will one day make all things right, will exalt those who have lived righteously, but have been dealt with treacherously by the fools of this world. (Psalm 75; )

No. ; It may be just routine cosmic event without any human pursuit; the best illustration for our discussion would be change of super nova in black hole;
When star is born ; , some of a class of exploding stars whose luminosity temporarily increases from several thousand to as much as 100,000 times its normal level. A nova reaches maximum luminosity within hours after its outburst and may shine intensely for several days or occasionally for a few weeks, after which it slowly returns to its former level of luminosity. Stars that become novas .
When such a star has exhausted its internal thermonuclear fuels at the end of its life, it becomes unstable and gravitationally collapses inward upon itself. :mad:
The crushing weight of constituent matter falling in to center . This way a black hole is formed from the time a massive star begins its collapse. If you were observing a entering the event horizon of a black hole, you would see it

A comment about Capt Ahab was that he was intelligent and literate but....
Whats the difference with all those high-paid, highly educated who run the world into social. economic, environmental destruction?
Bush isnt on his own nor any other so called leader.
The main difference between that story and the world today is the plans to destroy what we have and go back to a small and more primative society is on the drawing board being developed by global meetings.
THis is planned madness not accidental.

Prodi the European Commission President is also a sheep in wolfs clothing- an internatioinal socialist, hence his welcome of a fellow
traveler Mr Gadafi.
The British branch of the I socialists known as Fabianistes used the wolf in sheeps clothing as their symbol.
He may be President of Italy soon, he recently caused a bit of
flak for suporting Spainish socialist pulling out of Iraq.
The I Socialist will make a big campaign out of the Iraqi war to
get world govt through the UN which is partly why it has been so badly handled and likely to get worse.

Chile-is nice human garbage haven . Augusto Pinochet ex dictatorial military regime in Chile lives there loudly snoring unscathed by any human rights organization. He was good dog , so he deserves nice and happy repayment. And now Chile has new locator from BUENOS AIRES, Argentina When - Argentine judicial authorities issued an international arrest warrant on r former President Carlos Menem

But I have some good news from Poland ; Mrs Kwasniewski resigned today from looking Poland presidency.
It looks that warning for Mr. Kwasniewski regarding an investigation of his role in Ryvin case and past privatization scams worked well.
Now is only goal to select president who will respect wishes of Polish voters and he will stop the supplying Polish soldiers to Iraq.

So you want to be viking.
Goodluck with finding where they left off. You could become famous being the only viking in todays world.
Too bad you cant find a viking to find out why they gave up their way of life and religion to justify it.
No point in saying Slaves Unit anymore since you want to abandon them!
You could reverse the ten commandments and just join the coalition in Iraq.

<The biggest the Bible attraction is promise of God revenge. But as I see these Vikings convictions of further fighting after death and participation in future earth events (even after death )is more promising and joyful than promised paradise,; heaven , in which you would have no influence on any earth outcome.
REVENGE CAN BE DANGEROUS! but lack of this revenge can be even more dangerous for religious fate. ha, ha ha. :>

And this piece of advice can be helpful too!

<According to Vishista-Advaita, everyone is part and parcel of God. God, like the income tax department, needs your voluntary contribution, or else... >

I know a little story, let me try to translate here:

There's this big flooding and this very religious family is wating for God's help. Then a boat comes to rescue them...but they refuse, arguing that only God will save them. Then a second boat and then a third. Finally, of course, they drown. Then when they reach Heaven they face God and tell Him, "Hey, you failed us," to which God replied, "Well, I sent three boats for you"...

"A free and peaceful Iraq is one in the American image -- democratic, liberal, capitalist, under the rule of law. While completely sympathetic to this vision -- who could not be? -- I worry both that Iraqis do not welcome U.S. guidance and that such an ambition ultimately is unrealistic."

Who wouldn't welcome "America's Way of Life"? Is it you, Woj. Are you out of your mind? What do you have against it, Mickey Mouse culture, chewing gum, or Michael Jackson? Can you imagine a brighter future for Poland? No more Polish sausage, just some kosher, all-American hamburger. You may even be able to get some franchise!

I know this Polish guy--who having left Poland around 1980 probably participited in the democratic change--who tells me that life in America is very beautiful, and that lucky me I can complain all I want in America.:confused: He owns of those franchises for Eckerd Drugs, so he made it in America... How can people not appreciate that?

Bringing democracy to Iraq beyond reach of U.S. April 28, 2004BY DANIEL PIPES

What should be the U.S. goal in Iraq? The American government is clear on this point: It is ''a free and peaceful Iraq,'' which it presents as critical to the stability of the Middle East, which in turn ''is critical to the security of the American people.''

A free and peaceful Iraq is one in the American image -- democratic, liberal, capitalist, under the rule of law. While completely sympathetic to this vision -- who could not be? -- I worry both that Iraqis do not welcome U.S. guidance and that such an ambition ultimately is unrealistic.

My thoughts on the second of these worries are clarified by Samuel P. Huntington's remarkable new book, Who Are We: The Challenges to America's National Identity, forthcoming in May. In it, the Harvard professor analyzes the impact other civilizations are having on the United States -- via immigration, bilingualism, multiculturalism, the devaluation of citizenship, and the denationalization of American elites. He argues eloquently for the need to reassert core American values in the face of this challenge.

Along the way, Huntington observes that Americans can choose among three broad visions for their country in relation to the outside world.

*Cosmopolitan: America ''welcomes the world, its ideas, its goods, and, most important, its people.'' In this vision, the country strives to become multiethnic, multiracial and multicultural. The United Nations and other international organizations increasingly influence American life. Diversity is an end in itself; national identity declines in importance. In brief, the world reshapes America.

*Imperial: America reshapes the world. This impulse is fueled by a belief in ''the supremacy of American power and the universality of American values.'' America's unique military, economic and cultural might bestows on it the responsibility to confront evil and to order the world. Other peoples are assumed basically to share the same values as Americans; Americans should help them attain those values. America is less a nation than ''the dominant component of a supranational empire.''

*National: ''America is different'' and its people recognize and accept what distinguishes them from others. That difference results in large part from the country's religious commitment and its Anglo-Protestant culture. The nationalist outlook preserves and enhances those qualities that have defined America from its inception. As for people who are not white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, they ''become Americans by adopting its Anglo-Protestant culture and political values.''

Huntington sums up this triad of choices: ''America becomes the world. The world becomes America. America remains America.''

The left tends to the cosmopolitan vision; the right divides among imperialists and nationalists. Personally, I have wavered between the latter two, sometimes wanting the United States to export its humane political message and at other times fearful that such efforts, however desirable, will overextend the American reach and end in disaster.

Which brings us back to Iraq and the choices at hand.

Cosmopolitans reject the unilateralism of the Iraq campaign, despise the notion of guiding the Iraqis to ''a free and peaceful'' country, and deeply suspect the Bush administration's motives. They demonstrate on the streets and hurl invectives from television studios.

Imperialists are guiding U.S. policy toward Iraq, where they see a unique opportunity not just to rehabilitate that country but to spread American ways through the Middle East.

And nationalists find themselves, as usual, somewhere in between. They sympathize with the imperial vision but worry about its practicalities and consequences. As patriots, they take pride in American accomplishments and hope U.S. influence will spread. But they have two worries: that the outside world is not ready to Americanize and Americans are unwilling to spend the blood and treasure to carry off an imperial mission.

Huntington is clearly a nationalist. Less clearly, so am I. I believe the U.S. goal in Iraq should be more narrowly restricted to protecting American interests. I hope the Iraqi population benefits from the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and can make a fresh start, while rejecting the rehabilitation of Iraq as the standard by which to judge the American venture there.

[Who needs democracy anyway? Just commercialize the oil, and don't worry American values. Just market the chewing gum and the other stuff...]

The U.S. military machine is not an instrument for social work, nor for remaking the world. It is, rather, the primary means by which Americans protect themselves from external violent threats. The U.S. goal cannot be a free Iraq, but an Iraq that does not endanger Americans.

Donq; ******The U.S. goal cannot be a free Iraq, but an Iraq that does not endanger Americans.
[Just keep an eye that Iraq doesn't become a threat anymore!]*********

You are perfectly wrong Donq.
US might be ultimate power but Muslim might become ultimate religion. Old enemies will become a new friends; Sunnites and Shiites just realize that they are just both Muslims, and this is beautiful and rewarding for Muslim world.
World might be resistant to start fight an American power, but world might be also resistant to fight Muslim religion; finally God is one , regardless of church.
Iraq might not be a for US threat anymore, as never was, but Muslim religion is alive and supported by offerings of many hearts. Iraq does not endanger Americans, but Muslim restoration will. ha, ha ha.
Regardless of value kosher, all-American hamburgers , it is still lower than value of human souls. Americans understate value of human souls and for that reason they are going to lost.

Polish president and American servant, Mr Kwasniewski got today new kick during Economic Forum . He was informed by Kuczma (Ukraine) that the American idea of oil pipe from Caucasus to Brody (Ukraine) is children story for nighttime.
Too much dancing might be dangerous for presidential health.

Daniel Pipes and Prof. Huntington are deluded. Notice both take for granted (media hype) that the US went there for US security and to help the Iraqi people who had a leader that has killed less Iraqis than Bush. Harvard professor! How myopic can a people get.
There is a fourth option, his hiding by his reverting back to how things used to be, this is the ploy of the media, emphasise a
low key secondary fact/facter and ignore the bigger implications
that indicate what is really happening. The fourth choice which
is getting pretty loud is a zionist USA. The imperialist function is
being used for them not the US.
Iraq wasnt a backward country like Afghanistan.

"Former Prime Minister Dries Van Agt said (in tv-news Nova, in Dutch language) that the Dutch Govt should bring back its troops from Iraq as soon as possible, not because of the danger but becuase they are participating without any UN mandate in an illegal occupation. He also said that the US and Israel 'repeatedly and seriously' breach international law and calls the US a rogue state, He said Bushs support for Israel is 'irresponsible and injust'
. Soon the Dutch Govt and Parliament will have to decide whether the troops will remain in Iraq or not.
radio.webligs.com

Two issues secondary to the truth of what he said:

Any sanction of war on Iraq from a UN doesnt make it right.
The mandate of the UN is peace, not war to "make" peace on
some particular terms eg Zionist.

The US is now a rogue state because the zionist have made it
like theirs- Israel. I dont know who they think they are fooling outside of the poor Israelis, that the engines of hate that are firing up against the US which is not required to be hidden will
be more intense underneath for the Israelis whom the world has
been conditioned not to point (openly) at the Jew.
But when the dam bursts the flood will be the same.
The Jews had to suffer for the creation of Israel, how great is it going to be to get a world capital for world govt?
The manic-flagelation of human flesh celebrated by Mel Gidson
reflection his religion and others, to achieve some divine
achievement has got nothing on these guys (elite).