I decided to continue the discussion in a new thread here:<br><br>As to Romney's "morphing" into a conservative, I see it more as him as more clearly defining what his stand will be on issues when he becomes president. I'm actually finding a consistency in him that I can't find in McCain, since McCain has a history of taking sides on issues where his true feelings toward evangelical Christians and conservatives come out. I think he was able to set aside those views in 2004, views which were so clearly expressed in 2000 when he was running against Bush, and support Bush for political expediency (like the massive rush to endorse McCain as people jockey for positions in his potential presidency).<br><br>I think the Dems are seriously underestimating Romney if they think voting for him in an open primary will help the Democrat cause. I'm not quite sure why Dems think he is such a beatable candidate. After all, he did become governor in the people's republic of Massachusetts. To me, who the American people will support in a campaign of Romney vs. Obama or Clinton is essentially an unknown (like it would be in most any other matchup) because we haven't seen them specifically face off against each other. There's an element of voting for the winnable candidate in either party, but polls today can radically change by the time national party conventions are over.<br><br>Maybe Giuliani's view that people would be chosing their candidate based on who makes them feel the most secure against terrorism is correct, at least among Republicans. If that's the case, Giuliani could possibly have steamrolled to victory with that platform by going all out in the early primaries. But instead his strange strategy of waiting for Florida killed his chances of winning. If the national security issue is what's moving things here (or just what moves Giuliani), I can see why Giuliani would be quick to endorse McCain like he did.<br><br>I like some things about Huckabee, but I think his role in the whole campaign is just one of a spoiler at this point. And I can't really see him coming out endorsing Romney any time soon, if at all.<br><br>I just heard the washer beep at me (thank God I have my own washer and dryer after 20 years of laundromats), so I'll have to conclude this post. <br><br>GBR (OFI)

I really thought Fred Thompson was going to rise to be the GOP nominee, specially since the media had branded him "Reagan-esque". Once he flamed out it sure looked like Romney would be the guy. A successful conservative governor, self-made multimillionaire, pro-war, pro-Bush Tax Cuts, Pro-Life, Anti-immigration, pro-torture, pro-privatization of Heath Care and Soc. Sec., lukewarm on global warming. Plus all that ... he has "The Look" of a made-for-TV president, much more than any other candidate. On the issue of the economy he seems confident, where McCain seems lost.<br><br>I think his flip-flop on certain issues is a not a big deal. What conservatives seem to easily accept is that he changed positions to a conservative position. The rest is just history.<br><br>One big liability is that he promotes staying in the war, promotes sending even more troops, yet has five sons who will be branded yellow elephants. When Romney says that they serve their country by working to get him elected it just pisses people off. <br><br><br><br><br><br>

That's all we need. An expert in leveraged buy outs running our country. He can buy the country, fire people, streamline, but then who does he sell it too? Oh, right, China.<br><br>Why Dems would like Romney as the Republican nominee:<br><br>1) He tied his dog to the roof of his car on vacation.<br>2) He is for gun control, no wait he is now a member of the NRA.<br>3) Long time hunter has only bagged two squirrels, one named Rocky.<br>4) He is a Mormon. Somebody out there is not going to like that.<br>5) He is a total phony.<br>6) YouTube exists: Who let the dogs out, bling bling pandering is exposed.<br>7: YouTube exists: he says weird stuff contradicting himself all the time.<br>8) He is a more warmongering nutty than McCain.<br>9) He wants to double the size of Gitmo. (see 8)<br>10) He is a liar. And he gets really mad when someone cals him on it.<br>11) Anti-science, anti stem cell in Massachusetts.<br><br>He only became governor of Massachusetts because the Democrats put up a complete and total loser. I cannot even remember her name. His time as governor was all about looking presidential. He was on board getting 100% medical coverage here but now in the Republican primaries isn't he disowning this piece of socialism? (See 5,10)<br><br>I realize there is not much substance in my list except for the war mongering Gitmo stuff but presidential electioneering is not about substance anymore. Well, except Obama.<br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When Romney says that they serve their country by working to get him elected it just pisses people off. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Play that youtube quote with some flag draped caskets in the background. That would piss off at least a few starting with 4,000 moms.<br><br>I hope the Democrats do not play nice this time and we see clips like that and not just hidden on liberal crackpot web sites.<br><br>

1) He tied his dog to the roof of his car on vacation.<br><br><br><br>You're kidding. How did I miss this? I agree with your list, and I know these things, but not the dog. I wouldn't vote for my own sister if she did something as stupid and cruel as that. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:white]xx</font color=white>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>

[color:blue]Family members told the Globe that Romney attached a special windshield on Seamus's carrier to protect him from the wind. Romney was traveling that summer with his wife, five sons, and Seamus to his parent's cottage on Lake Huron. But hours into the ride, Seamus apparently suffered diarrhea, which ran down the back window of the car. Romney's sons, all under 14, howled in disgust. Romney pulled off the road into a service station. There, he borrowed a hose, washed down Seamus and the car, and they drove on to Ontario.</font color=blue><br><br>In the next video Mitt passes it off as a problem only for crazy PETA members which is a good ploy. I hate PETA too. But only a heartless bastid would stick his dog on the roof of a car for 12 hours. What does he have the dog for? Photo ops and then get back in the box and crap on yourself Seamus.<br><br><object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/DPpaJrJecjA&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/DPpaJrJecjA&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object><br><br><br>

Good f'n grief. <br><br>If somebody put Romney in a crate, tied it to the roof of the car and drove down the highway at 70 mph, he'd probably shlt himself, too. And a lot quicker than that poor dog. I agree about PETA, they're idiots, but animal cruelty is what it is, and this was it.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:white]xx</font color=white>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>

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