We did it! We’ve surpassed the $3,864 goal at http://igg.me/at/Sterling-to-Yildiz-demo to finance my trip to Geneva “To document this validation event, speak at press conference, secure an agreement to make the design available through an open license.” Now that the goal has been met, Indiegogo has transfered the funds raised to the PES PayPal account.

Thanks to all 59 of you who have helped so far. This makes a great E-Ster present for me! It was a magnet motor that got me involved nearly 11 years ago in this quest for free energy. Now, finally, I’m going to be able to see one working for myself.

Now it’s time for me to purchase the plane ticket, reserve a room, and plan the details of my trip to help make history as Yildiz’ all-magnet motor is demonstrated publicly at the Inventors Expo in Geneva, Switzerland from April 10-14, 2013.

The next fundraising goal is to come up with $3,550 to reimburse my friend who is a Ph.D. student in Europe. He is building an apparatus to measure the amount of power being produced by the Yildiz motor.

He is doing his dissertation on “overunity” systems that go beyond presently-understood laws of physics. The student doesn’t yet want his identity or the identity of the university to be publicly known, though I know who they are, and can vouch that they are credible. I saw a letter of reference from the mentoring professor approving the student to participate in the Geneva expo on behalf of the university.

At first, we were hoping to just connect the shaft of the motor to an alternator to power a 1000-W bank of lights. However, Mr. Yildiz decided against doing that due to an experience he’s had in the past where such a set-up was done, and the shafts were not properly aligned, and it damaged his motor, requiring him to take it apart, taking several hours to repair it.

Mr. Yildiz doesn’t want that to happen while the world is watching at the expo. So he wants to play it safe by just running a 25 cm fan blade, which consumes around 380 Watts at the speed he runs it at. This he knows to be a stable configuration, which will easily hold up.

The question then becomes, “How can we measure that fan in real time?”

The student has proposed a very simple set-up, as shown in the diagram. He would use a Plexiglass tube to direct the incoming air to a fan blade mounted at the back of the tube, which would turn a dynamo and power a small light.

The reason for the ~1 meter separation of the apparatus from the motor is that Yildiz says that ferrous material interferes with the function of the motor, and needs to be at least that far away.

Such a measurement would only be about 20% efficient, so a 380-Watt source would power an 80-Watt bulb. (Good solar panels are only 20% efficient in turning the sun’s energy into electricity.)

The purpose for this set-up would not be to give an accurate measurement, but just to provide a reality check, showing by measurement that the output of the motor is indeed in the range that the inventor says it is.

Accurate measurements are planned to take place after the Geneva expo, in lab settings.

What we want to demonstrate at the Geneva expo is that the magnet motor does work, and that it runs for a period of time longer than what could be achieved if there were some kind of batteries or other energy storage mechanism being utilized inside the motor casing.

For the size of the motor, the most likely energy storage would be lithium ion batteries. And if the motor body was full of lithium ion batteries, the amount of power it could produce would be 1700 watt-hours. So in order to fully satisfy the skeptics, the demonstration of Yildiz’ motor needs to be for at least long enough to surpass that amount of power.

So if the motor is producing 380 Watts, then it would need to run for 4.5 hours to achieve a 1700 watt-hour output. And the expo is open for 9 hours each day — twice that time, providing ample evidence that the motor is indeed being powered by something that present science cannot account for.

Of course, Mr. Yildiz could just run the motor and fan without this measurement apparatus, but people would have to thrust his word that the output is equivalent to 380 Watts. But if we were going on trust, then we wouldn’t need the demo, right?

So, the purpose of this fundraiser is to reimburse the expense of building this measurement apparatus.

The Ph.D. Student is going to build this, whether or not we help him with the expenses. However, he would greatly appreciate it if we (we the people) could reimburse him, so that he can keep those funds in his kitty for other overunity projects he is investigating and documenting for his Ph.D. That’s why I present this as a “flexible funding” campaign, so he keeps whatever is raised.

So help us spread the word. If we raise the full amount budgeted, then Indiegogo only keeps 4%. But if we don’t reach the goal, they retain 7%.

Someone to Cover Conference Room Cost

In other Yildiz motor news, I’ve posted a page to itemize the needs to be fulfilled in preparation for the Geneva demo.

Rather than have to go out into a parking lot at night to continue the demo after the Expo closes each evening, we’re hoping to find someone who will spring for the cost of a conference room just 20 meters from the Expo center.

While Mr. Yildiz plans to do his overnight demonstrations in a parking lot, it would be nice if we had indoor accommodations, to protect from the weather and cold.

Just 20 meters from the conference center is the Starling Hotel and Conference Center. They have a conference room that is 74 Kvm and space for 30 persons. It costs €566/day, can accommodate up to 30 people, and there is a place to sleep for 2 people, for another €390/night. The ten-day weather forecast shows the expected temperature at night to drop to around freezing. It would be much nicer if the nighttime demo could be held indoors.

I asked Mr. Yildiz if we could do a crowdfunding campaign to raise that money, but he declined. He doesn’t want to be misinterpreted as trying to milk money from people. To a fault, he is funding things from his own pocket. His trip to Geneva is being covered by the Turkish Patent office, who invited him.

However, he is willing to let one person spring for the facility, with no strings attached. I would imagine that the conference room cancellation policy would allow for the reservation to be cancelled 24 to 48 hours ahead of time, if, for some reason that was needed.

It would seem to me that Mr. Yildiz would benefit from setting up the test jig running continuously (i.e. no down time) throughout the entire exhibition. The matter of proximity of ferrous objects could be handled with a nonferrous coupling (e.g. brass, magnesium, aluminum, fiberglass, carbon fiber, etc, all of which are readily available). A running-time meter could be used to verify that the widget was in fact working with no one about. After all, the fan isn’t needed, as it’s been claimed that the motor generates no heat.

With your proposed setup, I predict that Mr. Yildiz will suggest that the airflow has been sufficiently impeded by your apparatus to make measurement meaningless.

sterlingda

It is not within the Expo rules to allow anything to be running while the expo is closed at night.

Mr. Yildiz is fine with the apparatus proposed. The unit is capable of 20 HP, so running a 380 w load is 1/40th of that. The reason he’s not running it on the higher output for a long period is because the bearings are not adequate. Budget issues; had to use what was available.

Wayne Slater

Hopefully you will also be measuring RPM while loading and unloading the
output of the dynamo. Just put a mark on the shaft and use an
inexpensive tachometer. From this data a maximum horsepower rating could
possibly be established. If the RPM starts trending downward even
slightly under a constant load then hidden batteries are likely.

Again please don’t waste your time and your trip with the revised test you describe.

I have done a bit of work with fan loads and the fan must be sized such
that less than 1/16″ spacing exists between the outside radius of the
fan blades and the inside diameter of the tube that encloses the blades.
This is the only way to get any efficiency at all out of any blower or
fan, and even this is very low efficiency. The fan method is not a fair
test, and could result in the conclusion that very little power is
produced by the motor, even it is really working.

Ideally you
should load the motor until RPM reaches 50% of the no load RPM. Then
you could determine the actual power output (allowing for inefficiencies
in the dynamo).

sterlingda

Yes, we will be keeping a close watch on RPM.

In this public setting, Mr. Yildiz is not going for the “ideal” test. That can be saved for a university laboratory.

Our objective will be to run the motor so much longer than what could be possible if there were hidden batteries, to completely rule that out once and for all.

There are going to be at least three universities with people present observing, taking data, and hopefully reporting. One is reporting for sure.

sterlingda

This was suggested by the PhD student, who was willing to build the whole thing: shaft, clutch, u-joint, alternator, load. I should add that based on the due diligence he has done, the PhD student is very confident that Mr. Yildiz’s motor tech is for real. He’s very patient, and willing to go with whatever Mr. Yildiz is comfortable with.

Thanks for this suggestion. Hopefully we’ll be able to run it continuously, but if not, this would be a possible backup option. How would you recommend “sealing” the bag?

vibrator !

Beat me to it, but i can appreciate the axle is under high radial loads already – even if the interactions are balanced as best as possible 180° either side of the rotor, perfect balancing is almost impossible (kind of an extension of Earnshaw’s theorem) – and once the bearings start to give they’ll rapidly deteriorate further… so his caution regarding axial loads such as gears or belts etc. are understandable. Ditto attaching magnets or coils directly to the shaft. And while a u-joint can translate the torque through an off-axis connection, i think there’d still be significant radial force every 180° if the alignment’s even slightly off..

A fan seems a reasonable compromise…

Three and a half large seems a bit steep tho? A custom-made tube might cost a few bob but the fan, meter and dyno could be had for under a nifty…

Stuart Campbell

That sounds like a good idea to me.
But I foresee two things that would need to be looked:
(1) Matching revs (Yildiz motor versus Fan when its self powered). I am not sure just how controllable the motor is.
(2) The fan blade would have to be exactly the same blade on both pieces of equipment..

Al Potenza

Good comments, Stuart. But if you can’t do those things, you can still get some idea of how efficient the power transfer is between the Yildiz fan and the fan which drives your generator to make the measurement.

Another thing I’d do would be to ask Yildiz to dismantle the device at the end of the experiment, at least enough to show that there are no hidden batteries in it. He could forbid photos if he’s afraid of someone stealing his intellectual property.

Stuart Campbell

According to what Sterling has already said the motor is not allowed to be left running overnight.
The idea of the test is to have it running for 5 days non-stop. Therefore you are faced with a conundrum of how best to achieve that. It means a lot more hassle and a lot more manpower unfortunately.
Its a nuisance but it has to be done to ensure efficacy of the test.

Stuart Campbell

Were it a short term test then the bearings would be fine. But a long term test on the bearings might not be so good.
This 5 day test is to prove the efficacy of the motor running on magnets alone with no electrical (or other) power source. Its not about testing it to any possible stress level.
So long as the load is enough to outlast any possible power source other than the magnets located within it, then I think the technology is proven.
This is why they are doing a 5 day 24/7 test. Hopefully when they shift the equipment, they will have devised a means of not even having to shut it off whilst doing that. If not it should only be a matter of minutes it is switched off.

Mark Euthanasius

Stuart MileHigh is making reasonable predictions based on established history. It has nothing to do with what he wants and everything to do with what has been observed.

A proper test would use a calibrated torque transducer, tachometer, and adjustable brake. These are not expensive or esoteric things. Yildiz’ spokesperson Halil claims that Yildiz has run tests of that type many times ( see other thread ). Given that claim there is absolutely no excuse for Yildiz to not run such a test, unless of course he knows he could not pass such a test.

If the actual shaft output power is not known within some reasonable tolerance then no reasonable conclusions can be drawn. All those who hope the Yildiz is not just another FOS scammer should be insisting on a credible test. Anyone interested in seeing Yildiz fail would be happy to see him continue to put on pointless unimpressive dog and pony shows.

MIB

Dear Mr. Allan, Yildiz motor may have more features than
generating power. One is possibility of the motor rotate it self
(its full body) in absence of external forces, in violation of
conservation of angular momentum principle based on Newton’s laws.
This can happens when no counter-torque is present on stator from
the rotor. This can be tested with simple mechanical setup. There
is no known system can violate Newton’s laws so far. So if it is
violated this will be genuine proof of free energy generation.
Please point out your email address or a better forum/blog for
further writings.

MIB

Absence of counter-torque on stator cause the cylindrical motor body (without base pads) stand still on a table without rolling. An ordinary motor body try to rotate on opposing direction of the rotor. This counter-torque effect is well known on helicopters.the purpose of tail propeller is mainly balance such a counter-torque.

vibrator !

By the by, i’ve once again been wrestling with Orffyreus of late, and while no further in that quest, its salutary reminder to us is the need for closure, even if it has to be on the claimant’s terms rather than their skeptics.

Worse than failure or success is simply not knowing. His efforts at vindication should be entertained as far as possible, without pressurising him into exasperated reticence. Bessler met his end in an accident, before he could wrap up his work or make adequate plans for its posthumous disclosure. Hence i’ve just wasted yet another futile week making inane scribblings and tinkering with a Meccano set.

Thus to those unsatisfied with the agreed protocols, all i have to say is that doing it HIS way while he’s ready and willing is likely to save a lot of folks a whole lot of hassle later on…

Mark Euthanasius

Rocks fall from one height to a lower one once.

Stuart Campbell

Its been explained already that the bearings aren’t up to running for 5 days. A few hours yes, no problem, but not for an extended test.
This is a developmental model, not a test one or a production one.
This test is purely to prove that the unit runs on magnets only and requires no outside source of energy to run it.
The tests you suggest are further down the track in its development.

TheRightWay

Yes, now I’ve read the comment you mentioned, but I want to remember that one month ago the motor had to do a test in a university that had to last one whole month and likely loaded with a dynamometer and not with a fan. If that motor was ready for the university test, the same motor could be used for a few days demo.

humblemechanic

Halil clearly stated 4 or 5 weeks ago that they are ready for the 30 day test at
some European University with 2 or 3 motors. That fizzled out on Yildiz not letting the testers examine the inside of the motor. There was enough time
waiting for this test to sort out every detail of the test let alone such a pivotal
detail. Now this disease strikes the bearings: just what goes on? We must
told.

veegee

Even a magnetic coupling can be thought of to ward of mis-alignment.

veegee

I make a guess. The bearings are for the rotor load. Not foe the fan. Very little for the fan. The rotor may be heavy and may be even unbalanced. Guessing again. I have four 80 Watts ceiling fans working for the last 20 years. The bearings are intact.

Stuart Campbell

The bearings are not for the fan.

Gaute

Dont forget the speed.

Gaute

Its easy to calculate the how much watt the fan needs.
1)
Order a copy of the ORIGINAL fan. Connect it to a small three phase motor ( 1kW )
2)
Measure the fan load when it is run by a frequency converter with the same speed as the magnet motor.
3)
And without the fan.
Conclusion ====
The Difference between this 2 loads is the fan load …
SIMPLE :-)

humblemechanic

Your suggestion is spot on. There were others on similar lines, mine was a DC
motor used as the control motor allways matching the speed of the one under test, both turning identical propellers and a hinged flap, say 3×1 inch hanging in the airstream of each prop, their delflection visually indicating the strenght of the airflow.
And there were the experts with their elegant mathematical analysis taking into
consideration all the relevant aerodynamic factors. Way over the top.
As it stands now, Sunday evening, it looks like bad organisation, vacillation, and
general feebling about prevailed. After all the expectations there is no result
or measurement data to speak of. I am hoping, probably vainly, that there will be
some sort of a post mortem by those who backed Yildiz materially or otherwise and
an attempt to finalize this project of Yildiz one way or the other. Pious hope.