Sure what about the one in Londonderry few weeks ago, few 12years were in hospital cos of drugs at a music event. It’s all about the money here for the paramilitary they get u hooked if u get tick and can not pay the day u said u will they add £15to the bill then after they get pissed off they will knee cap u

The shit they give to kids is unreal there’s many of older ones who want just not enough money from them

Sure what about the one in Londonderry few weeks ago, few 12years were in hospital cos of drugs at a music event. It’s all about the money here for the paramilitary they get u hooked if u get tick and can not pay the day u said u will they add £15to the bill then after they get pissed off they will knee cap u

The shit they give to kids is unreal there’s many of older ones who want just not enough money from them

The situation in Ireland is an absolute tragedy, and I use that word for a reason.

Avoidable drug deaths (and I include things like, access to proper compounds, needle exchanges, anything where drug screening would have shown a bad compound, anything like that) must FAR outnumber any terrorist killings.

The situation in Ireland is an absolute tragedy, and I use that word for a reason.

Avoidable drug deaths (and I include things like, access to proper compounds, needle exchanges, anything where drug screening would have shown a bad compound, anything like that) must FAR outnumber any terrorist killings.

Sure look at the gangs in London with knives that’s far worse than the terrorist killings atm…but I better not speak to soon 2new signs have been found up one recruiting for the ira and the other the uda. So shits goin to start up again

They would have tweeted a warning if they found it in there and so would Trimbos and Safeparty CH, I would have seen the warning in 3 languages and posted it here.

Its now harder to get rat poison anywhere in Europe than MDMA precursors because of EU animal and environment protection rules – you need an Environment Ministry license for the stronger formulations. Excessive use of it means owls and other creatures that prey on rats become ill which is undesirable, and it can make the rat catchers ill too.

Our local one had to retire as he had been careless and it had thinned his bones so when he tripped over on a rabbit hole he bust his leg and he is only in his early middle age, that sort of condition normally only affects seniors who are given the same stuff to treat other age-related illnesses.

In NL and DE they increasingly have tolerance zones for rats (which are still part of the ecosystem) and/or round up the stray/feral cats and put them to work in farms to scare them away in the rural areas. Most animal rescues in rural areas operate this scheme and many work with the farms and nature protection to provide “wild areas” where rats and other “pest” species can remain.

In town folk often catch the mice and rats alive, and then put the trap on their bicycle (the traps are made to fit well on the rear rack) and then let them free in the open areas where they are not such a nuisance. There is a competition between the Dutch and Germans to build electronic live traps, and in recent times folk with big gardens/farms (especially the Germans) sometimes just build open “traps” that just photograph the trapped creature, and log its GPS location (this data is sent up to nature watching sites), direct it towards a tolerated area and then spring open.

Some of these traps can handle anything to the size of foxes (I saw an impressive one on a preserved railway on German TV a few weeks ago); they put it there as they are also encouraging rare birds to the land where the railways was situated. They even had a “Verboten für Fuchs” sign ahead of it (the presenter said that was for foxes who could read :laugh_at:).

I wouldn’t be surprised if the tolerance of pot and MDMA usage in some areas is a factor in everyone becoming treehuggers there :laugh_at:

has been for some years but they usually now deal with multiple species and the modern term is “wildlife management”. in ancient times they provided basic human healthcare and often got away with hoarding “poisons” that today would be controlled drugs (some of which they kept for their own enjoyment).

Some also kept rats as pets (which of course kept them in work) and bred those which were unusual colours, todays pet rats are descended from them!

In NL the harm reduction organisations now advise starting with 1/4 rather than 1/2 of a pill. One problem though is the pills can be unusual shapes which are often akward to break up especially in environments such as licensed venues with zero tolerance rules on overt drug use.

That said I’ve not seen any reports of major ODs in the Dutch news following ADE whereas there were two fatals in 2014 which suggests the access to testing and acceptance of harm reduction organisations does help.

Even the Dutch cops say “we’d rather you didn’t take drugs, but if you are still going to be aware of your safety.

Another factor may be young adults in NL have to pay for their own health insurance (only stuff like 112 emergency service ambulances is free at source), what we call “National Insurance” was stopped 10-20 years ago in favour of more privatisation so if they get health problems from drug use their premiums go up or their insurance company can cancel the policy. (older people are calling for full state funded healthcare to be returned).

Its still not perfect there by any means, was reading today about how the MDMA factories just dump all the unwanted chemicals into the ditches in rural areas (often where few people are party drug users) whilst they make all the money in Amsterdam, Rotterdam etc – the cops, fire brigade and environment protection have to deal with the cleanup and NL govt has to put aside €1 000 000 for assisting the Councils with the costs. Although stuff like ADE etc clearly must earn Amsterdam loads in tourism and tax revenue, the chemicals get dumped in places like Breda, Gouda and Brabant which are many km away and these areas don’t get much benefit from the nightlife.

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