Friday, 24 September 2010

The Talking Clock posts that Gerard Batten has formed an electoral pact with Tim Congdon, the latter who is standing for Leader – and that as part of this ‘pact’ Gerard Batten has withdrawn his candidacy for that position.

“In a brief form of the statement, Tim Congdon tells potential supporters: “Tim Congdon and Gerard Batten have announced that they will be working together in a joint bid for the leadership of the UK Independence Party. Gerard Batten has decided to stand down and to support the candidature of Tim Congdon. If Tim Congdon is elected Leader of the UK Independence Party, he will appoint Gerard Batten as Deputy Leader and Head of Policy Development.“

Follow the links in TTC’s post to read the statements by Batten and Congdon.

So now we will have the Farage/Nuttall camps in open warfare with the Batten/Congdon camps.

I’m hoping that the characters do not resort to internal warfare and hope that any – cough – ‘positioning’ of individual characters stays in the realm of private debate rather than bursting into the public domain.

I have met all three of the declared and known candidates for my interview series and, while all three are very different in terms of personality, they were all incredibly warm and kind people.

It’s for that latter reason that I *hope* that the gentlemen in the race can maintain a generous, fair and healthy contest. I’m optimistic that they will…

AM, agreed. However UKIP do possess those policies but it seems that rather than promote them they would rather have a bloodbath. I say that with heavy heart in the I support their policies entirely – they most definitely are centre right.

As to your suggestion/conclusion – fine, how do we start one and who heads it? You can forget Hannan and Carswell – they are too wedded to their careers and I have virtually given up on them.

Hi, I incline to agree with TTC and commend his comment: I *hope* that the gentlemen in the race can maintain a generous, fair and healthy contest. I’m not optimistic that they will be able to and thus in the face of the usual barage of smearing and deception – already started with abuse of staff and phone calls and the positioning of campaign managers and a toady as opposition to split the vote and prevent a fair fight I would hazard a prediction that it is all over bar the sneering & that was UKIP! There is absolutely no value in ANY Party from now on as our laws are made by our enemies at worst rivals at best. There is no value in discussion of policies that can NEVER be implemented whilst in The EU – and be minded NO PARTY has ever put forward an Exit & Survival Strategy. It will take 10 years from when we leave to be in a position to consider our own policies so play all you like at being political but without Leave-the-EU as a basis you are wasting yours and everyone elses time and working for the enemy. Have a look at Leave-the-eu.org on google and TheMidnightGroup.blogspot likewise. There are no answers but there is a step forward YOU can help build. When THE Gentleman in the UKIP blood bath wakes up perhaps he would care to come and help us do something constructive – UKIP is a part of the problem and offers no part of the solution. Regards, Greg_L-W.

Greg, I do not stop any criticism or comment on this blog and you know full well that yours and my views on Ukip and the people in it are at total variance.It is a great pity that you force your views on those that don’t want them – witness you have been asked more than once to desist sending your email rants to me, yet continue to do so.For one who writes about “the usual barage of smearing and deception” I can only say to you that the words pot, black and kettle spring to my mind.The fact that you have a personal vendetta against certain members of Ukip is obvious and does your argument no good whatsoever.By all means argue and debate, but if you wish to do so on this blog then at least have the courtesy to provide provenance to your accusations.

Hi, happy to – which bit did you not understand? It is a great pity that you force your views on those that don’t want them – witness you have been asked more than once to desist sending your email rants to me, yet continue to do so. Don’t read them – in the second row of keys down on the right you’ll find one marked delete. YOU are master of YOUR computer. For one who writes about “the usual barage of smearing and deception” I can only say to you that the words pot, black and kettle spring to my mind. Please be so good as to identify a lie, distortion, smear, untruth or deliberate inaccuracy I have EVER published – if you are unable an apology would be apposite when seeking to liken me to Croucher, Farage, Bloom, Bannerman, Clark, Andreasen, Agnew, Denny, McTrough and the rest of the pond life in UKIP leadership. The fact that you have a personal vendetta against certain members of Ukip is obvious and does your argument no good whatsoever. I have no vendetta with any member of UKIP merely utter contempt for corruption, dishonesty and bullying by public servants using tax payers’ money. By all means argue and debate, but if you wish to do so on this blog then at least have the courtesy to provide provenance to your accusations. Any time, Any place, with Anyone, withing 50 miles (health constraints – sorry). Regards, Greg_L-W.

Greg, Re the delete button: what is it you do not understand, encapsulated in the words please do not send me your emails/please take me off your mailing list? I am fully aware where the delete button is located on my keyboard – unfortunately it does not work with people! Your comment about ‘pond life’ demonstrates you lack of courtesy and any ability to debate. Sorry to hear about your health being a tad problematical and trust it improves soon however not too sure what the waiting list is for the brain implant you so obviously require.

Hi, The insignificance of your identity has passed me by – I merely respond to your ill informed witterings. That you are gratuitously offensive may well come naturally to you. However you have failed to identify what facts you had failed to understand: Was it the several £million that seem to have gone missing from UKIP funds? Was it Godfrey Bloom arrested for copulating in the street? Was it Gawain Towler boasting on his blog of his infidelity and perversion? Was it Derek Clark boasting of how he defrauds the EU at a public meeting? Was it the fact that Marta Andreasen is a fraud? Was it that David Bannerman lies about his identity? Was it that UKIP has held 2 petitions and raised money never accounted for and neither petition was ever delivered? Was it that Farage used staff to lie and cheat in his last leadership election? Was it that Malcolm Pearson was Money laundering to fraudulently misrepresent donors? Was it Bloom being banned from hotels for urinating in plant pots in public? Was it that Stuart Agnew was defrauding the tax payers? Was it that Trevor Colman criminally covered up for Tom Wise? Was it Farage promising Meridian TV he would publish his detailed accounts in 1999 yet never doing so? Was it that more than 85% of the money raise through Ashford never reached the party? Was it that Farage did NOT remove Tom Wise from UKIP but lied about it? Was it that Farage – chairs the most vile extremist group in the EU comprising criminals, violent xenophobes, holocaust deniers, racists, anti Jewish pro EU membership & The lisbon Treaty? CONTINUED

CONTINUATION Was it the blatant duplicity of Mark Croucher? Was it that David Lott lied about his employment status? Was it the industrialised criminal fraud and utter incompetence of Tom Wise for which he was jailed? Was it the corrupt and self serving behaviour of Annabelle Fuller? Was it that Mick McGough is a liar and a cheat? Was it that Farage & Croucher positioned the party by promoting The BNP? Was it the dishonesty of the treatment of Petrina Holdsworth when as Chairman she called for transparency? Was it that Douglas Denny corrupted the last proper leadership election and was fired by the NEC? Or was it something else you were confused about with the pond life that has risen to lead UKIP? As requested by YOU I am happy to debate these irrefutable FACTS with you or anyone else – however your ill manners and gratuitous abuse do little to assist in covering up the fact that UKIP’s leadership are little more than a rabble of parasitic petty crooks – prone to defaulting on their legal liabilities and without honour and with little dignity! May I remind you of your earlier rather more adult posting where you said: By all means argue and debate, but if you wish to do so on this blog then at least have the courtesy to provide provenance to your accusations. I replied: Any time, Any place, with Anyone, withing 50 miles (health constraints – sorry). Since you have now sunk to childish playground comments and insults – let us see if you have the maturity to debate as YOU requested. Which of the items listed are you not aware of and believe I can not provide provenance of? Regards, Greg_L-W.

Greg L-W, Your last post I have deleted as I believe it to be out of order and on the basis that this is my blog. This is the first time I have had to take this decision and as a result I would request that if you wish to write content, such as you did in those I have deleted, that you do it elsewhere.

Hi, no problem – just a pity you lack the integrity to tell the truth. To help establish the facts, rather than your dishonest spin and childish name calling I have posted the facts at: http://ukip-vs-eukip.blogspot.com/2010/09/0122b-ukip-go-to-war-paint-balls-at.html Where those who value the truth over the defensive spin can read it. It is of course your prerogative to lie on your blog but were you a gentleman of integrity you would not lie and seek to mislead people. But I note you are defending the indefensible so why would I be surprised? Regards, Greg_L-W.

an ‘e’Mail to me as clearly he has no grown up ability to debate and obviously can not refute one word of which I posted yet resorts to name calling and insults in desparation being now clearly beyond his competence or knowledge.G.L-W.

Hi,as you were unable to act ethically and merely presented my post as not being fact when I showed clearly that it was your dishonesty was noted – what was it in that dishonesty did you wish to have highlighted as I have left out no part deliberately as I saw your abuse as immensely damaging to you but made by choice on your part as with your gratuitous childishness and proven inability to debate as an adult the facts which I presented – none of which was refutable.regards,Greg_L-W.

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