Is it possible to talk about women in electro without issues of sexism and feminism coming up? Let's give it the old boyscout try (...) to talk about what there is to talk about (....) that doesn't involve misogyny or the lack thereof. I suspect it's unavoidable, but let's start some more topics that don't simply deal with this.

1. female vocals: style, versatility, limitations, processing

2. style: is there a trend in how women in electro dress distinct from men? Examples: androgyny, eccentric/froufy, sexual (e.g. Peaches).

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of course we can't ignore style of music. is there a female perspective on electro-music?

from my limited observations, i would say vocal looping such as amy x neuburg or imogen heap is a more or less "female" sub-genre of electro-music. i've heard of men using this type of looping with guitar and whatnot, and of course there's the piece steve wrote for ashley to play at electro07 that uses similar looping for viola, but i don't know of any men who perform/compose vocal looping like that.

of course we can't ignore style of music. is there a female perspective on electro-music?

A female perspective onelectro-music? I'm not sure what you mean.

A female perpective inelectro-music? I thought about suggesting that but didn't know quite how to phrase it. It does seem that female lyrics express distinctly "female" topics. Love and social commentary and all that.

A female perpective inelectro-music? I thought about suggesting that but didn't know quite how to phrase it. It does seem that female lyrics express distinctly "female" topics. Love and social commentary and all that.

right. but women, as a group with separate challenges and roles in society than men, often have a separate creative style or perspective that is then characterized as "feminine" and pigeonholed. (why do we never hear about "masculine" writing or art as a deviation from the norm? where are the guerilla girls when you need them?)

anyway, i think this thread title is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

however, since it fits under the heading of "not especially feminist", here's some music i made within a week of first experimenting with computer music (made in renoise): http://www.myspace.com/skippyvodka

since then i've been learning a lot, starting many projects, and finishing few (on my own that is. i've been collaborating with bernat and smokris and others on project ruori stuff.) someday i'll finish all the things i've been starting recently.

The first YouTube hit for Karl Bartos is a video for "I'm the message". The description begins with: "Karl Bartos, former member of world´s most famous robot band Kraftwerk.." and ends with "Buy this album. I suppose you´ll like it! (more)"

The first YouTube hit for Karl Bartos is a video for "I'm the message". The description begins with: "Karl Bartos, former member of world´s most famous robot band Kraftwerk.." and ends with "Buy this album. I suppose you´ll like it! (more)"

Speaking as the world's foremost expert on Karl Bartos, I didn't really like his "Communication" album nearly as much as "Esperanto" --- though the "I'm the Message" music video is astounding. I think I would have liked it a lot more had he published it in unmastered form (rather than the hypercompressed version that was published).

I mean, seriously. This is what "The Camera" looks like:

...and here's what the CD re-release of "Das Modell" (should we start a thread on that song?) looks like:

Sigh.

Also I hold the following controversial opinion (since this is the subforum for such things): I really like what he did for Kraftwerk while he worked for them. I'm not sure that there exists more perfect (ahem.) music than that performed by the quartet in their 1981 world tour. Particularly Bartos's synth bass.

So, you know where to find me when I perfect that time machine I've been working on.

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A female perpective inelectro-music? I thought about suggesting that but didn't know quite how to phrase it. It does seem that female lyrics express distinctly "female" topics. Love and social commentary and all that.

I'm bored so I'm commenting on old threads. Female perspective on electro? Like problems we encounter? Yeah, we can't lift as much of that heavy equipment. Lyrics?? Nahhh....the beauty of ambient/space music is it has no lyrics!!! Love? Hahahah.... whether you're a guy or a girl, the whole point of getting obsessed with music is as a Sublimator, to take the place of having a social life, love life, dates & all that crap we don't have.

I played my new Roland synth last nite for about 3 hours. It was way more fun than thinking about how I didn't have a date & wasn't likely to ever have one. _________________The most important music equipment is what's in front of the instrument.

Lyrics?? Nahhh....the beauty of ambient/space music is it has no lyrics!!!

hmm, if you are under this impression, you need to listen to amy x neuburg playing with (what was i think at the time) the amaranth signal.

...try to get mark (Mohoyoho is his user name here) to send you an mp3....i don't see it online anymore.

i've also found good "lyrics" through some FU School techniques:
1. weird records played through effects ("teach your bird to talk", a business typing course on vinyl, motivational sales records from the 50's, etc).

2. run speech recognition software to transcribe the news or a movie....it will do a very lousy job, but is great when played back with a speech synthesizer.

Lyrics?? Nahhh....the beauty of ambient/space music is it has no lyrics!!!

i've also found good "lyrics" through some FU School techniques:

Also the old Williams Burroughs cut-move-paste technique (from well before computer cut & paste) on text. It worked well on my daughter's spoken words on the piece at http://www.virb.com/dparson (11:30 into the piece), moving her spoken samples around at the phrase, word & phoneme levels! I did find that the initial writing had to be good -- my attempt to write some response phrases for call-and-response structuring of her work failed because my words were not good, so I abandoned that for this piece, and stuck to instrumental & computer.

When she & I discussed this last month when I played it for her, she said that she uses a lot of parallel structure in her writing, a facet that really lends itself to restructuring, even dynamic restructuring in real time.

Also, when I talked to my son in audio school in Canada last week, he was telling me about a lab where they were copy-and-pasting phonemes to clean up spoken samples with errors. Suddenly the whole family is into phoneme editting.

There's been a lot of computer work in natural language grammars, both for recognition and generation, that could be brought to bear on electro lyrics, including real time restructuring. Haven't seen much evidence of that. More time, need more time!_________________When the stream is deep
my wild little dog frolics,
when shallow, she drinks.

right. but women, as a group with separate challenges and roles in society than men, often have a separate creative style or perspective that is then characterized as "feminine" and pigeonholed. (why do we never hear about "masculine" writing or art as a deviation from the norm? where are the guerilla girls when you need them?)

I think you don't hear about "masculine" art, because socially speaking (in America), men are pigeonholed as not being in to art. Men get pigeonholed with words like testosterone (have you ever heard that used in a positive connotation? or is it always preceded by "too much"?) They also get pigeonholed (exclusively, rather than inclusively) with words like gay, or faggot. There's nothing quite like being called a bundle of sticks Last edited by jksuperstar on Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:46 am; edited 1 time in total

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