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It's not a question of a good or bad economy in 2009. It's a question of how bad things will get.

Forget about the good. It’s about the bad and the ugly when it comes to the US economy next year. The big questions are how ugly things will get and how they’ll compare to recessions of the past.

Ever since the collapse of Lehman Brothers in mid-September, economists have been scrambling to revise their forecasts, and its all been for the worse.

“The economy is in a bit of a free fall,” says Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at Global Insight.

Behravesh is among those who now expect the economy to contract as much as 5 percent on an annualized basis in the first quarter, followed by a small contraction in the second quarter.

Bank of America’s chief economist Mickey Levy is forecasting a decline in every quarter of 2009 and doesn’t see a return to trend, or normal, growth until early to mid 2010.

"The enormous correction in housing will continue through next summer," accompanied by a "rapid rise in unemployment and declining corporate profits," Levy says.

History In The Making?

Current conditions, as well as the outlook, are bad enough that there’s significant debate over how deep the recession will be.

Global Insight’s outlook assumes President-elect Barack Obama and Co. “do something big, bold and swift,” explains Behravesh. “If they don’t, then for sure this is the worst recession in the Cold War period.”

While the doom-and-gloom camp is looking crowded these days, it's difficult to find someone with a rosy scenario. At best, there’s guarded optimism.

“The recession will end sometime in the first quarter, followed by a not great-shakes recovery,” says Ram Bhagavatula, managing director at Combinatorics Capital. “There’s room for optimism. Both the Fed and Treasury have done a lot more than they usually do at this point in the cycle."

What it calls its central view, what might be considered a median, puts real 2009 GDP in a range of –0.2 to 1.1 percent. The full spectrum of members’ views runs from -1.0 to 1.8 percent.

At best, the Fed’s survey is approximate, reflecting “higher than normal” uncertainty about economic activity (the margin of error is plus/minus 1.3 percent).

At worst, the Fed’s forecast is hopelessly dated, like those of the Congressional Budget Office and the International Monetary Fund, both of which will be updating their numbers in early January. The IMF wouldn’t comment for this story.

The CEO group would like to see tax cuts, heath care modernization and housing relief in the nation's recovery agenda.

Housing Divided

If, as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has often said, the problem began with housing, there’s a chorus saying housing is the key to any sustained economic recovery. Agreement, however, ends there, as there's considerable debate about when that will happen.

David Rosenberg, chief North American economist at Merrill Lynch, sees another 15 percent decline in house prices. “We don't have a lot of pent up demand,” he told CNBC. “The supply needs to go down.”

On the other hand, optimists point to relatively stable sales over the past year, declines in new and planned construction and the recent sharp drop in mortgage rates.

“We are starting to find the critical elements to a housing bottom,” says David Resler, chief economist at Nomura International, adding a late spring rebound in sales and prices is “not out of the question.”

The MBA expects rates on 30-year fixed mortgages to plateau at about 5 ¼ percent in the first half of the year, but tighter credit borrowing standards will continue to keep would-be buyers out of the market. Meanwhile, prices will continue to decline, but more moderately.

“Were it not for the recession increasing joblessness, stabilization is not inconceivable,” says Jay Brinkman, the group's chief economist.

“Rates need to go lower to offset speed of rising joblessness," adds Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the NAR, which expects single-family home sales rising in the first half and prices in the second half.

The NAR is among those that say housing-focused programs are needed in the massive fiscal stimulus plan expected from the Obama administration.

White House, Your House

There’s already enough guessing about the size of the stimulus package that the White House might want to hand out a prize to the winner. Even traditional skeptics, such as supply-side proponents, have joined the betting pool.

In the meantime, it’s a matter of big, bigger and biggest.

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“Six-hundred billion (dollars) is the minimum,” says Behravesh “If they can make it bigger -- $700-800 billion, even a $1 trillion. The latter might make sure we come out of it this summer”

“What’s important is not the magnitude, but the composition,” adds Levy, sounding a common note of caution. His guesstimate is $500-600 billion.

Thus far, a big part of the funds in what’s likely to be a two-year package appears to be earmarked for infrastructure spending, with the usual social safety net measures and some kind of tax cut for low-and middle-income earners.

Proponents of infrastructure spending say there’s more than $100 billion in shovel-ready projects to get the program off to a swift, meaningful start, creating jobs and income.

Others say, not so fast.

“There's a limit to how much fiscal stimulus you can do,” says Resler, who, like other critics worries about waste, fraud and pork barrel politics in an infrastructure program.

One traditional worry missing from the list of many economists is inflation. At best, all the money and fiscal stimulus will succeed in stimulating demand, the thinking goes, without accompanying wage and price pressures.

"The increase (in money supply) is necessary but a not sufficient condition for inflation," says Levy. "The turbo-charged Fed easing prevents deflation."