An Air Car You Could See in 2009: ZPM’s 106 MPG Compressed-Air Hybrid

[social_buttons] Compressed-Air Powered cars could take you over 800 miles on a single fill-up, at speeds of up to 96 mph. They should refuel in less than 3 minutes, and at speeds over 35 mph emit about half the CO2 of a Toyota Prius. Best part? You could see them in the US at the end of next year.

Car-tech aficionados may already be familiar with Zero Pollution Motor’s (ZPM) compressed-air powered car. For those that haven’t heard of it yet, read on:

“The compressed air vehicle is a new generation of vehicle that finally solves the motorist’s dilemma: how to drive and not pollute at a cost that is affordable!”

What happens when you replace the explosions in your car’s combustion chamber with clean compressed air? Well, as long as you lighten things up by replacing heavier parts with aluminum, you end up with a clean, efficient way to power a vehicle.

How does an Air Car Work?

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Although potentially revolutionary it really isn’t that complicated. What a compressed-air car does is use the force of super-compressed air to move the engine’s pistons up and down, as opposed to explosions produced from injecting a small amount of fuel.

To get things moving on compressed air, weight reduction is a top priority. MDI’s aluminum-based engine weighs half what a normal engine does, and the frame is also built out of lightweight materials (US version will be aluminum?).

ZPM’s US model will store about 3200 cubic feet of compressed air in carbon fiber tanks at 4500 psi. Carbon fiber tanks are used for safety reasons since they tend to split open (as opposed to explode) when punctured.

Compressed air from the tanks will run directly to the engine under speeds of 35 miles per hour. That means that under 35 mph the car qualifies as a zero emissions vehicle. At higher speeds the engine will burn a small amount of fuel to create more compressed air, sort of like how a plug-in hybrid like the Chevy Volt produces on-the-fly electricity. The hybrid air-car setup should be able use any number of fuels, including gasoline, propane, or ethanol.

1 tank of air + 8 gallons of gas = 848 mile range

The car’s compressed air tank can be refilled in about 3 minutes from a service station. To fill it up at home the car would be plugged in, where an onboard compressor would refill the tank in about 4 hours, at an electrical cost of about $2.

If you aren’t sure whether turning electricity into compressed air is really that clean, here are some numbers: at speeds over 35 mph the air car emits about half the CO2 per mile as a 2007 Toyota Prius (0.141lbs of CO2 per mile, while that the Toyota Prius emits 0.34 lbs of CO2 per mile).

Will we actually see a US-model Air Car in 2009/10?

New York startup ZPM, like Tata motors, has licensed technology from Luxembourg-based MDI. MDI also has plans to release these cars in Europe in 2-, 4-, and 6-cylinder models, starting under $15,000.

Despite lightweight construction that could be of concern for passing US safety tests, it appears that air car technology could be available in the US in late 2009. ZPM told PopularMechanics.com earlier this year that it expects to produce the first US model air car at the end of 2009 or early 2010. (Btw, ZPM’s model is also a candidate for the $10 million Automotive X Prize.)

ZPM wants to produce a 6-seater, 75-hp model with a 1000 mile range at 96 mph, all for just $17,800.

The big question I think we all have is: will this car make it through US safety testing? ZPM’s website says that air car models will meet the same safety specifications of all cars driven in the US. As with most of these new hyper-efficient models we’ve seen (like Aptera’s Typ1 or VW’s 1L Car), ZPM claims the vehicle’s “tubular body provides increased resistance in the event of a crash.” The car will also come with Air Bags and ABS braking.

It’s another case of wait-and see, and we can only hope ZPM follows through.

About the Author

Clayton In a past life, Clayton was a professional blogger and editor of Gas 2.0, Important Media’s blog covering the future of sustainable transportation. He was also the Managing Editor for GO Media, the predecessor to Important Media.

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So, compressed air is a more dense energy medium than batteries then? I’d bet one could implement a significantly more efficient conversion device than an oscillating cylinder driving a standard auto drivetrain.

Still, interesting.

Dan

So, compressed air is a more dense energy medium than batteries then? I’d bet one could implement a significantly more efficient conversion device than an oscillating cylinder driving a standard auto drivetrain.

Still, interesting.

Mike, ABQ, NM

Make it a three wheeler or two wheeler and you could call it a scooter. This will get you past the safety requirements of a car. The cost is a blatant rip off, however. It has less weight, complexities and amenities of a car. The price should reflect that.

Mike, ABQ, NM

Make it a three wheeler or two wheeler and you could call it a scooter. This will get you past the safety requirements of a car. The cost is a blatant rip off, however. It has less weight, complexities and amenities of a car. The price should reflect that.

Bobloblaw

^ yeh you could use a different drivetrain. Its called a rotary engine. Suck it freak!

Bobloblaw

^ yeh you could use a different drivetrain. Its called a rotary engine. Suck it freak!

JohnsonJohsn

Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

http://Web Robert Wilson

boblobl has the right idea, an air driven rotary engine. Also, why not a small wind mill at home to drive a air compressor,(even an old lawn mower engine may be converted over to air compress,)attached of course to the windmill This would give you “free air” for the A-car. RW.

JohnsonJohsn

Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

krishnan

The tata Nano that I believe is referred here : “The world’s first commercial compressed-air powered vehicle is currently being produced by India’s largest automaker, Tata Motors, who is licensing the technology from European-based company MDI (a company powered by the innovation of ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre). They anticipate having about 6000 of these vehicles on city streets in India in 2008.” is a regular petrol/diesel engine car and not on compressed air

krishnan

The tata Nano that I believe is referred here : “The world’s first commercial compressed-air powered vehicle is currently being produced by India’s largest automaker, Tata Motors, who is licensing the technology from European-based company MDI (a company powered by the innovation of ex-Formula One engineer Guy Nègre). They anticipate having about 6000 of these vehicles on city streets in India in 2008.” is a regular petrol/diesel engine car and not on compressed air

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Kevin

I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.

I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.

I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.

I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.

The problem is converting Electric energy to kinetic energy results in extremely big energy losses. As high as 30%.

And then also there is the expensiveness of creating a battery with the capacity of that cylinder.

Dawid Joubert

The problem is converting Electric energy to kinetic energy results in extremely big energy losses. As high as 30%.

And then also there is the expensiveness of creating a battery with the capacity of that cylinder.

http://www.mpp.org someguy

I’m buying one, that’s for sure. I like the car in the video at 1:29. That thing’s pimp!!!

http://www.mpp.org someguy

I’m buying one, that’s for sure. I like the car in the video at 1:29. That thing’s pimp!!!

Eddie

Unfortunately these MDI air cars have been one year away for well over a decade. I can remember when they were just a year away from being introduced to the streets of Paris, then it was South Africa, then Mexico, and here it is again. None of them have materialised as commercial products as there are serious technical limitations on the concept.

Unfortunately these MDI air cars have been one year away for well over a decade. I can remember when they were just a year away from being introduced to the streets of Paris, then it was South Africa, then Mexico, and here it is again. None of them have materialised as commercial products as there are serious technical limitations on the concept.

Might I suggest, though, that in the future you put metric equivalents next to your miles/pounds/cubits etc. It would make your content more digestible to about 94% of the world’s population, including the engineering community in the US.

Denny

Good informative article. Thanks.

Might I suggest, though, that in the future you put metric equivalents next to your miles/pounds/cubits etc. It would make your content more digestible to about 94% of the world’s population, including the engineering community in the US.

http://none Jigen

baah.. in Italy and a half Europe this project has bees presented many times since 1980.

But they get money from investors and then just disappeared..

Hope Better.

and.. mhh… Energy for compress the air.. where does it came from..

Arabian Lords.. Fuck you!

http://unknowncountry.com Sid Myers

This idea could’ve been done long back like the elecrtic car GM destroyed to save what was left of the suv auto industry. Who’d figure fuel would go up so much. It makes GM look stupido compared to it’s competition because it has no hope in creating any equivalent vehicles to HONDA and TOYOTA. The demise of GM is NYE it shall occur within 3 years.

Interesting vehicle; but can’t the same type of tank store hydrogen or another fart fuel also?

http://unknowncountry.com Sid Myers

This idea could’ve been done long back like the elecrtic car GM destroyed to save what was left of the suv auto industry. Who’d figure fuel would go up so much. It makes GM look stupido compared to it’s competition because it has no hope in creating any equivalent vehicles to HONDA and TOYOTA. The demise of GM is NYE it shall occur within 3 years.

Interesting vehicle; but can’t the same type of tank store hydrogen or another fart fuel also?

Xsjado

This is bull. It takes more energy to compress the air into the tank than you will get from releasing it. All you do is move the emissions from the car exhaust to the chimney of a coal fired power station.

This technology would be more appropriate when we have greater capacity to produce electricity from clean energy sources. Until then it does nothing to help. Not to mention the safety concerns associated with having a huge tank of heavily compressed gas under the bonnet. I wouldn’t like to be in a crash involving one of those.

Xsjado

This is bull. It takes more energy to compress the air into the tank than you will get from releasing it. All you do is move the emissions from the car exhaust to the chimney of a coal fired power station.

This technology would be more appropriate when we have greater capacity to produce electricity from clean energy sources. Until then it does nothing to help. Not to mention the safety concerns associated with having a huge tank of heavily compressed gas under the bonnet. I wouldn’t like to be in a crash involving one of those.

I going to be very very very expensive like oh…..$90,000!!!!!!! or more.

Scott Houdek

I going to be very very very expensive like oh…..$90,000!!!!!!! or more.

Lon

I would think if you wanted, you could store the air in tanks. Then release the air to turn a turbine, which connected to the axle through a reduction gear. Use the throttle to control the air being released. No need for an engine at all.

Lon

I would think if you wanted, you could store the air in tanks. Then release the air to turn a turbine, which connected to the axle through a reduction gear. Use the throttle to control the air being released. No need for an engine at all.

Rob

@Dan – agreed, some rotary drive system similar to an air tool or a hydraulic motor would seem better.

Rob

@Dan – agreed, some rotary drive system similar to an air tool or a hydraulic motor would seem better.

http://www.GatorTailgating.com Mike

So, is that 848 mile range going 35mph or 60 mph? Does that take into account city driving?

http://www.GatorTailgating.com Mike

So, is that 848 mile range going 35mph or 60 mph? Does that take into account city driving?

asfd

There is no such thing as a “dense energy medium” except in science fiction books and saturday morning cartoons.

asfd

There is no such thing as a “dense energy medium” except in science fiction books and saturday morning cartoons.

http://www.mgroves.com mgroves

Okay, great, but how much does compressed air cost? Also, what about heavy trucks/airplanes/bulldozers/etc?

http://www.mgroves.com mgroves

Okay, great, but how much does compressed air cost? Also, what about heavy trucks/airplanes/bulldozers/etc?

Lewis

So how do you compress the air without burning fuel in the first place (I don’t mean in the car)?

Lewis

So how do you compress the air without burning fuel in the first place (I don’t mean in the car)?

Me

That’s what I thought, and why not just go an extra step and not use fuel to compress more air on the go

Me

That’s what I thought, and why not just go an extra step and not use fuel to compress more air on the go

http://blog.norcalcars.com/tata-air-car-in-production/ Tata Air Car

This would be a nice improvement over what Tata is currently producing. Their car is good for about 125 miles per fill up with a top speed of about 68mph. Already a great achievement.

Common Sense

In order to take off, energy-efficient cars must:

1. look reasonably normal

2. have practical interior room and trunk space

3. be affordable to the average buyer

4. have average acceleration and top-speed

The success of any new green car will depend on how many of the above it offers (beyond mere energy efficiency).

http://blog.norcalcars.com/tata-air-car-in-production/ Tata Air Car

This would be a nice improvement over what Tata is currently producing. Their car is good for about 125 miles per fill up with a top speed of about 68mph. Already a great achievement.

Common Sense

In order to take off, energy-efficient cars must:

1. look reasonably normal

2. have practical interior room and trunk space

3. be affordable to the average buyer

4. have average acceleration and top-speed

The success of any new green car will depend on how many of the above it offers (beyond mere energy efficiency).

RW

Does it come with an air conditioner? Radio/CD/etc.? Headlights?

Without those things – it will never amount to more than a curiosity in the USA. With them, it could be revolutionary. The real trick to making this successful (aside from the basic creature comforts) is to create a strong racing and “mod” community. The easier it is to modify and improve – the faster it will be adopted. The more it is raced, the faster the technology will improve.

RW

Does it come with an air conditioner? Radio/CD/etc.? Headlights?

Without those things – it will never amount to more than a curiosity in the USA. With them, it could be revolutionary. The real trick to making this successful (aside from the basic creature comforts) is to create a strong racing and “mod” community. The easier it is to modify and improve – the faster it will be adopted. The more it is raced, the faster the technology will improve.

don

I would think masybe an air turbine device could be used to harness the compressed air and the universal joint etc be attached to the shaft spinning at the end of the turbine.

don

I would think masybe an air turbine device could be used to harness the compressed air and the universal joint etc be attached to the shaft spinning at the end of the turbine.

Guy Anon

Great! Lets see it for sale. Now take this air technology, add some Electric-generating motor components to support it and put a small turbo diesel together in a triple hybrid FTW~!

Guy Anon

Great! Lets see it for sale. Now take this air technology, add some Electric-generating motor components to support it and put a small turbo diesel together in a triple hybrid FTW~!

LK

That’s great. However, there are still millions of people living where it snows. That car would be a death trap in a North East winter.

LK

That’s great. However, there are still millions of people living where it snows. That car would be a death trap in a North East winter.

gene

Hurray for innovations. I have been signed up with these folks to get one for about 9 months now. I hope it works great and I would like to take the technology and make it work in my homebuilt airplane that is currently getting a modified geo engine that will burn about 2gph at nearly 100mph.

Hope this keeps getting better more efficient will replace stupid we hope

gene

Hurray for innovations. I have been signed up with these folks to get one for about 9 months now. I hope it works great and I would like to take the technology and make it work in my homebuilt airplane that is currently getting a modified geo engine that will burn about 2gph at nearly 100mph.

Hope this keeps getting better more efficient will replace stupid we hope

Great alternative and I hope it will be offered sooner than later. People are already purchasing smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. A vehicle like this will be a step in the right direction for cleaner air and energy independence.

http://www.redgreenandblue.org Heidi

Great alternative and I hope it will be offered sooner than later. People are already purchasing smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. A vehicle like this will be a step in the right direction for cleaner air and energy independence.

Nick

What type of psi are we talking about for the compressed air, if it’s similar to the pressures used for scuba rigs/paintball guns these require pretty large compressors, if it’s not I dont see how it would be powerful enough to power a car. Also carbon-fiber tanks are not cheap, although they are durable and light. I’d be curious to see a specific weight comparison of the weight of a Prius’ batteries vs the weight of the air tank and the air compressor and also a comparison of what kind of fuel efficiency gain you’d get if you gave a Prius a similar aluminum frame. So in short how much of this is weight-loss and not a better propulsion system.

Now that thats out of the way this is an intriguing idea. It’s a hybrid that doesn’t have the nasty chemicals that are used in batteries.

Nick

What type of psi are we talking about for the compressed air, if it’s similar to the pressures used for scuba rigs/paintball guns these require pretty large compressors, if it’s not I dont see how it would be powerful enough to power a car. Also carbon-fiber tanks are not cheap, although they are durable and light. I’d be curious to see a specific weight comparison of the weight of a Prius’ batteries vs the weight of the air tank and the air compressor and also a comparison of what kind of fuel efficiency gain you’d get if you gave a Prius a similar aluminum frame. So in short how much of this is weight-loss and not a better propulsion system.

Now that thats out of the way this is an intriguing idea. It’s a hybrid that doesn’t have the nasty chemicals that are used in batteries.

bill lilly

A tank of compressed air is many many times lighter than batteries used in electric cars and hybrids. Batteries are nothing but dead weight when run down while the hybrid engine is doing all the work. An air tank can always be filled back to capacity throughout its life while batteries start loosing ability to hold a full charge early in its life and ends up not holding any charge, causing a very expensive replacement. I know about batteries from experience. Bill

Two weeks ago I penned a short note to ZPM. I just asked a couple of pertinent questions regarding where their vehicles will be manufactured and whether any prototypes can be seen right now in the U.S. They didn’t reply.

I get the impression ZPM is a couple people in a rented office who put out press releases every six months. They must learn, as Honda and Toyota did a long time ago, that the customer is king.

Two weeks ago I penned a short note to ZPM. I just asked a couple of pertinent questions regarding where their vehicles will be manufactured and whether any prototypes can be seen right now in the U.S. They didn’t reply.

I get the impression ZPM is a couple people in a rented office who put out press releases every six months. They must learn, as Honda and Toyota did a long time ago, that the customer is king.

Does this vehicle come with an air conditioner? If it doesn’t, you’ll die in one in Texas in traffic.

Fred Baugh

Does this vehicle come with an air conditioner? If it doesn’t, you’ll die in one in Texas in traffic.

Maxo Blasto

Couldn’t we use Hydro power to run turbines with high gear ratios to compress the air? After the Hydro motors pay for themselves, the compressed air would be vitually free. the only cost would be the canisters to store the air. Neary a zero carbon footprint.

Maxo Blasto

Couldn’t we use Hydro power to run turbines with high gear ratios to compress the air? After the Hydro motors pay for themselves, the compressed air would be vitually free. the only cost would be the canisters to store the air. Neary a zero carbon footprint.

Felix

Unfortunately this car will never see the light of day. We’ve been hearing about this for the last 10 years, every single one of which we’ve been told that it is just about to hit shelves.

Never going to happen, because its too good to be true, and the world is way too messed up for anything good to happen.

Felix

Unfortunately this car will never see the light of day. We’ve been hearing about this for the last 10 years, every single one of which we’ve been told that it is just about to hit shelves.

Never going to happen, because its too good to be true, and the world is way too messed up for anything good to happen.

http://massmediacrocy.kerpal.net Adam

Looks promising but we’ll see how it actually is put out into the market. I’m not going to hold my breath.

http://massmediacrocy.kerpal.net Adam

Looks promising but we’ll see how it actually is put out into the market. I’m not going to hold my breath.

james weisz

This sounds great. we will always need oil to lube things but lets cut the glut.

Also check out – run my car on water.com

Two guys run there car on tap water and get 100 miles on 4 ounces of water. they sell a how to book and all parts are at yor hardwear and auto store and its not a scam.

james weisz

This sounds great. we will always need oil to lube things but lets cut the glut.

Also check out – run my car on water.com

Two guys run there car on tap water and get 100 miles on 4 ounces of water. they sell a how to book and all parts are at yor hardwear and auto store and its not a scam.

You people seem to be forgetting the one major problem with these types of cars:

It takes more energy to compress the air then one gets by using the compressed air as an energy source. So in other words, this will worsen our dependence on fossil fuels. It makes more sense to just have it be 100% electric.

Every step of the energy conversion process, something like %30 percent of the total energy is lost. So in using gasoline and electricity to convert air into compressed air, the resultant fuel will have roughly 30% less energy store than the amount that went into making it.

Oil for instance, is an extremely high energy fuel by weight. However, it doesn’t have nearly the amount of energy that went in to making it over the millions and millions of years.

The same thing applies to hydrogen. It takes more energy to create and store the fuel than we get by using it.

It is more sensible to just have 100% electric car.

Chris

You people seem to be forgetting the one major problem with these types of cars:

It takes more energy to compress the air then one gets by using the compressed air as an energy source. So in other words, this will worsen our dependence on fossil fuels. It makes more sense to just have it be 100% electric.

Every step of the energy conversion process, something like %30 percent of the total energy is lost. So in using gasoline and electricity to convert air into compressed air, the resultant fuel will have roughly 30% less energy store than the amount that went into making it.

Oil for instance, is an extremely high energy fuel by weight. However, it doesn’t have nearly the amount of energy that went in to making it over the millions and millions of years.

The same thing applies to hydrogen. It takes more energy to create and store the fuel than we get by using it.

It is more sensible to just have 100% electric car.

Chris

You people seem to be forgetting the one major problem with these types of cars:

It takes more energy to compress the air then one gets by using the compressed air as an energy source. So in other words, this will worsen our dependence on fossil fuels. It makes more sense to just have it be 100% electric.

Every step of the energy conversion process, something like %30 percent of the total energy is lost. So in using gasoline and electricity to convert air into compressed air, the resultant fuel will have roughly 30% less energy store than the amount that went into making it.

Oil for instance, is an extremely high energy fuel by weight. However, it doesn’t have nearly the amount of energy that went in to making it over the millions and millions of years.

The same thing applies to hydrogen. It takes more energy to create and store the fuel than we get by using it.

It is more sensible to just have 100% electric car.

rob

4,500 psi would be a problem in a crash. A huge problem. Even if carbon fiber tanks “split” they would produce some seriously fast and powerful projectiles. Less mess though, if everything is vaporized.

rob

4,500 psi would be a problem in a crash. A huge problem. Even if carbon fiber tanks “split” they would produce some seriously fast and powerful projectiles. Less mess though, if everything is vaporized.

Bri

RE:

Air conditioning? — you can route the “exhaust” straight to the vents. The air after it decompresses will be cooled significantly (< 60 deg. F)

power for the compressed air? — assuming worst case scenario, your local power comes from a coal plant, creates only a fraction of pollution that a gas car would. and it only gets better if you local power is generated with solar or wind

death trap? — more light weight cars on road will increase safety for everyone. Europe drives smaller cars and has lower death/mile than US. Crush zones and roll cage make you safer than rigid frames on impact.

rotary engine? — watch the last 3 min of the posted video. that guys engine looks sweet. much more advanced than the French guy (although doesn’t seem as well funded, go figure).

Bri

RE:

Air conditioning? — you can route the “exhaust” straight to the vents. The air after it decompresses will be cooled significantly (< 60 deg. F)

power for the compressed air? — assuming worst case scenario, your local power comes from a coal plant, creates only a fraction of pollution that a gas car would. and it only gets better if you local power is generated with solar or wind

death trap? — more light weight cars on road will increase safety for everyone. Europe drives smaller cars and has lower death/mile than US. Crush zones and roll cage make you safer than rigid frames on impact.

rotary engine? — watch the last 3 min of the posted video. that guys engine looks sweet. much more advanced than the French guy (although doesn’t seem as well funded, go figure).

Bernardo

This is absolutely retarded. How is compressed air more efficient than any type of battery out there? All these ‘alternative energy’ or ‘zero emission’ cars are nothing but hype – where do they think the compressed air comes from? It’s simply a different method of storing energy. Instead of using fossil fuels inside the car, fossil fuels are used at the power plant to create electricity, which in turn will compress the air and propel the car. Yay, the car will have zero emissions, but the same energy has gone through more conversions than in a single gas-engine. Now maybe a compressed-air-driven engine *may* be more efficient per se and thus balance out the energy-equation, but the complexity and dangers inherent with storing air at high pressures are just not worth it. Not to mention that you still need a gas engine in the car to make it go any faster than 35mph, which is MOST OF THE TIME.

The ‘zero emissions’ / ‘alternative energy’ car problem has already been partially solved, but the average Joe is just too technically-retarded to understand such things. The solution is to use electric motors which nowadays get 95+ % efficiency! That’s as close to perfect as you can get. What’s with looking into other, weird methods to convert potential energy to mechanical energy? Our electric motors are perfectly well suited for mass-application in cars. The remaining problems are (a) to find an energy storage method that is safe and efficient, i.e. batteries for christ’s sake, and (b) finalize and mass-produce Nuclear Fusion technology to produce enough electricity for the world. Now since (b) is still a ways off, the solution is to mass-produce nuclear fission power plants for which we already have the technology and deal with the nuclear waste until nuclear fusion is ready. As for (a), I admit to it being a more difficult problem than it sounds, but coming up with compressed air BS ideas is not helping in any way!

Out.

Bernardo

This is absolutely retarded. How is compressed air more efficient than any type of battery out there? All these ‘alternative energy’ or ‘zero emission’ cars are nothing but hype – where do they think the compressed air comes from? It’s simply a different method of storing energy. Instead of using fossil fuels inside the car, fossil fuels are used at the power plant to create electricity, which in turn will compress the air and propel the car. Yay, the car will have zero emissions, but the same energy has gone through more conversions than in a single gas-engine. Now maybe a compressed-air-driven engine *may* be more efficient per se and thus balance out the energy-equation, but the complexity and dangers inherent with storing air at high pressures are just not worth it. Not to mention that you still need a gas engine in the car to make it go any faster than 35mph, which is MOST OF THE TIME.

The ‘zero emissions’ / ‘alternative energy’ car problem has already been partially solved, but the average Joe is just too technically-retarded to understand such things. The solution is to use electric motors which nowadays get 95+ % efficiency! That’s as close to perfect as you can get. What’s with looking into other, weird methods to convert potential energy to mechanical energy? Our electric motors are perfectly well suited for mass-application in cars. The remaining problems are (a) to find an energy storage method that is safe and efficient, i.e. batteries for christ’s sake, and (b) finalize and mass-produce Nuclear Fusion technology to produce enough electricity for the world. Now since (b) is still a ways off, the solution is to mass-produce nuclear fission power plants for which we already have the technology and deal with the nuclear waste until nuclear fusion is ready. As for (a), I admit to it being a more difficult problem than it sounds, but coming up with compressed air BS ideas is not helping in any way!

Out.

Bernardo

This is absolutely retarded. How is compressed air more efficient than any type of battery out there? All these ‘alternative energy’ or ‘zero emission’ cars are nothing but hype – where do they think the compressed air comes from? It’s simply a different method of storing energy. Instead of using fossil fuels inside the car, fossil fuels are used at the power plant to create electricity, which in turn will compress the air and propel the car. Yay, the car will have zero emissions, but the same energy has gone through more conversions than in a single gas-engine. Now maybe a compressed-air-driven engine *may* be more efficient per se and thus balance out the energy-equation, but the complexity and dangers inherent with storing air at high pressures are just not worth it. Not to mention that you still need a gas engine in the car to make it go any faster than 35mph, which is MOST OF THE TIME.

The ‘zero emissions’ / ‘alternative energy’ car problem has already been partially solved, but the average Joe is just too technically-retarded to understand such things. The solution is to use electric motors which nowadays get 95+ % efficiency! That’s as close to perfect as you can get. What’s with looking into other, weird methods to convert potential energy to mechanical energy? Our electric motors are perfectly well suited for mass-application in cars. The remaining problems are (a) to find an energy storage method that is safe and efficient, i.e. batteries for christ’s sake, and (b) finalize and mass-produce Nuclear Fusion technology to produce enough electricity for the world. Now since (b) is still a ways off, the solution is to mass-produce nuclear fission power plants for which we already have the technology and deal with the nuclear waste until nuclear fusion is ready. As for (a), I admit to it being a more difficult problem than it sounds, but coming up with compressed air BS ideas is not helping in any way!

Out.

Jeremy

Yeah! Can’t wait to put my wife and kids in an aluminum can all to save a few bucks.

I don’t believe in man made global warming so that leaves me looking at this from a safety & economic standpoint. First, this is a glorified scooter just without the need for a helmet. Second, the insurance cost would be ridiculous. Any collision would pretty much total it. Finally, if you did get in a wreck your medical bills would far outweigh any amount you spend in gas.

Jeremy

Yeah! Can’t wait to put my wife and kids in an aluminum can all to save a few bucks.

I don’t believe in man made global warming so that leaves me looking at this from a safety & economic standpoint. First, this is a glorified scooter just without the need for a helmet. Second, the insurance cost would be ridiculous. Any collision would pretty much total it. Finally, if you did get in a wreck your medical bills would far outweigh any amount you spend in gas.

Nebo

I read in an unrelated post that the carbon composites used on B2 stealth bombers create very toxic clouds of microdust when they break up. So my question is about the “safer” compressed air tank built of carbon composites. Is it a different material, or is it similar to that used in the B2 stealth bombers? Photos of the responders to the crash in Guam of a B2 show them in full hazmat clothing.

Nebo

I read in an unrelated post that the carbon composites used on B2 stealth bombers create very toxic clouds of microdust when they break up. So my question is about the “safer” compressed air tank built of carbon composites. Is it a different material, or is it similar to that used in the B2 stealth bombers? Photos of the responders to the crash in Guam of a B2 show them in full hazmat clothing.

Jeremy

Bri

“death trap? — more light weight cars on road will increase safety for everyone. Europe drives smaller cars and has lower death/mile than US. Crush zones and roll cage make you safer than rigid frames on impact.”

So the fact that Europe drives smaller cars is supposed to directly equate to their lower death/mile rate than the US? Give me a break. First, they have a lower number of cars per household meaning people drive less. Also, the average daily commute is much shorter (ie they are driving in the city at slower speeds). Third, almost every country in Europe makes you take a REAL driving test. You actually have to know what you are doing. These are the reasons for the lower death rate not the car size. You go ahead and drive your tin can. I’ll shed a tear as I go by in my SUV.

Jeremy

Bri

“death trap? — more light weight cars on road will increase safety for everyone. Europe drives smaller cars and has lower death/mile than US. Crush zones and roll cage make you safer than rigid frames on impact.”

So the fact that Europe drives smaller cars is supposed to directly equate to their lower death/mile rate than the US? Give me a break. First, they have a lower number of cars per household meaning people drive less. Also, the average daily commute is much shorter (ie they are driving in the city at slower speeds). Third, almost every country in Europe makes you take a REAL driving test. You actually have to know what you are doing. These are the reasons for the lower death rate not the car size. You go ahead and drive your tin can. I’ll shed a tear as I go by in my SUV.

Jeremy

Bri

“death trap? — more light weight cars on road will increase safety for everyone. Europe drives smaller cars and has lower death/mile than US. Crush zones and roll cage make you safer than rigid frames on impact.”

So the fact that Europe drives smaller cars is supposed to directly equate to their lower death/mile rate than the US? Give me a break. First, they have a lower number of cars per household meaning people drive less. Also, the average daily commute is much shorter (ie they are driving in the city at slower speeds). Third, almost every country in Europe makes you take a REAL driving test. You actually have to know what you are doing. These are the reasons for the lower death rate not the car size. You go ahead and drive your tin can. I’ll shed a tear as I go by in my SUV.

Eric

So does the air tank explode killing everyone within 1 mile if the car gets into an accident? Just curious.

Eric

So does the air tank explode killing everyone within 1 mile if the car gets into an accident? Just curious.

Eric

So does the air tank explode killing everyone within 1 mile if the car gets into an accident? Just curious.

Byron Como

As much as I like the idea of this technology has anyone considered the actuality of the operation of gazillions of air compressors? The air compressor for the tools at our shop makes a deafening clatter (emphasis on deafening). A small plug-in compressor used to inflate tires is loud and annoying. Running an air compressor at my home for 4 hours would be unacceptable – to me as well as my neighbors and would probably violate city noise ordinances. I don’t know, I have my doubts this will be a viable technology.

Byron Como

As much as I like the idea of this technology has anyone considered the actuality of the operation of gazillions of air compressors? The air compressor for the tools at our shop makes a deafening clatter (emphasis on deafening). A small plug-in compressor used to inflate tires is loud and annoying. Running an air compressor at my home for 4 hours would be unacceptable – to me as well as my neighbors and would probably violate city noise ordinances. I don’t know, I have my doubts this will be a viable technology.

Byron Como

As much as I like the idea of this technology has anyone considered the actuality of the operation of gazillions of air compressors? The air compressor for the tools at our shop makes a deafening clatter (emphasis on deafening). A small plug-in compressor used to inflate tires is loud and annoying. Running an air compressor at my home for 4 hours would be unacceptable – to me as well as my neighbors and would probably violate city noise ordinances. I don’t know, I have my doubts this will be a viable technology.

http://www.theokobox.com leslie @ the oko box

Seems like if we can ride bikes & motorcycles on the highway, we should be able to have lightweight energy efficient cars too. Maybe we should start dividing our highway lanes into three parts- big gas guzzlers, electric/air cars/ motorcycles, and then bikes – that way we can all stay safe.

http://www.theokobox.com leslie @ the oko box

Seems like if we can ride bikes & motorcycles on the highway, we should be able to have lightweight energy efficient cars too. Maybe we should start dividing our highway lanes into three parts- big gas guzzlers, electric/air cars/ motorcycles, and then bikes – that way we can all stay safe.

http://www.theokobox.com leslie @ the oko box

Seems like if we can ride bikes & motorcycles on the highway, we should be able to have lightweight energy efficient cars too. Maybe we should start dividing our highway lanes into three parts- big gas guzzlers, electric/air cars/ motorcycles, and then bikes – that way we can all stay safe.

scout943

OH YES I WIL DRIVE THIS JUNK ON THE HIGHWAY WITH SEMIS AND LARGER CARS !!!! ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD?????!!!!

scout943

OH YES I WIL DRIVE THIS JUNK ON THE HIGHWAY WITH SEMIS AND LARGER CARS !!!! ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD?????!!!!

zographia

Why not learn to ride a bike 50 miles a day and do that back and forth to work, how about having passanger trains in more communities. There’s a lot we can do in the USA. I already have a scooter, micro suv 2007, and bike. I only need to walk to work when I want to, since it’s a mile with in my home (that I own) range. Would I purchase a car that runs on compressed air,yes! My cousion Gecka was one of the mechanical engineers’ in Michigan, he’s retierd now. People here in the’USA’ need to understand things are changing and we need to as well!

zographia

Why not learn to ride a bike 50 miles a day and do that back and forth to work, how about having passanger trains in more communities. There’s a lot we can do in the USA. I already have a scooter, micro suv 2007, and bike. I only need to walk to work when I want to, since it’s a mile with in my home (that I own) range. Would I purchase a car that runs on compressed air,yes! My cousion Gecka was one of the mechanical engineers’ in Michigan, he’s retierd now. People here in the’USA’ need to understand things are changing and we need to as well!

zographia

Why not learn to ride a bike 50 miles a day and do that back and forth to work, how about having passanger trains in more communities. There’s a lot we can do in the USA. I already have a scooter, micro suv 2007, and bike. I only need to walk to work when I want to, since it’s a mile with in my home (that I own) range. Would I purchase a car that runs on compressed air,yes! My cousion Gecka was one of the mechanical engineers’ in Michigan, he’s retierd now. People here in the’USA’ need to understand things are changing and we need to as well!

Chazcov

Johnsonjohsn said:

“Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.”

I guess you never heard of hydroelectric or wind-generated power? How about something called solar power? Burning coal isn’t the only way to generate electricity. If you’re going to go green, you might as well go green all the way.

Chazcov

Johnsonjohsn said:

“Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.”

I guess you never heard of hydroelectric or wind-generated power? How about something called solar power? Burning coal isn’t the only way to generate electricity. If you’re going to go green, you might as well go green all the way.

http://youtube.com/user/CATvolution Paul

This is the best written article that I have seen so far on these vehicles.

Interesting idea, but I’m not sure how efficient it’ll be. But I love the exterior design.

http://www.buyingadvice.com/ George

Interesting idea, but I’m not sure how efficient it’ll be. But I love the exterior design.

http://www.buyingadvice.com/ George

Interesting idea, but I’m not sure how efficient it’ll be. But I love the exterior design.

mazhur

i dont’ like the idea of installing a big air tank with the car..

better way is to

1. use an air motor instead of the reciprocating prime mover

2. install a small air cylinder to serve as air fuel sources

3, install an aircompressor inside the car which could fill up the small cylinder as it travels and which also serves to maintain the required pressure constant in the air fuel tank

mazhur

i dont’ like the idea of installing a big air tank with the car..

better way is to

1. use an air motor instead of the reciprocating prime mover

2. install a small air cylinder to serve as air fuel sources

3, install an aircompressor inside the car which could fill up the small cylinder as it travels and which also serves to maintain the required pressure constant in the air fuel tank

mazhur

i dont’ like the idea of installing a big air tank with the car..

better way is to

1. use an air motor instead of the reciprocating prime mover

2. install a small air cylinder to serve as air fuel sources

3, install an aircompressor inside the car which could fill up the small cylinder as it travels and which also serves to maintain the required pressure constant in the air fuel tank

AllrightyThen

This air powered car was invented back in the 1970’s ( and one before that too ). Like the water powered car and cars that get 300 mpg on gasoline, they were all swallowed whole by the big oil companies / banks that control the worlds economy and governments. These people do not want anything to replace their cash cow. Forget the environment – there’s money to be made.

Thank god that the internet is out of their reach.

If you don’t beleive me then google stanly meyer or any other free energy website.

It’s about time people opened their eyes and saw who really controls what we spend our money on.

AllrightyThen

This air powered car was invented back in the 1970’s ( and one before that too ). Like the water powered car and cars that get 300 mpg on gasoline, they were all swallowed whole by the big oil companies / banks that control the worlds economy and governments. These people do not want anything to replace their cash cow. Forget the environment – there’s money to be made.

Thank god that the internet is out of their reach.

If you don’t beleive me then google stanly meyer or any other free energy website.

It’s about time people opened their eyes and saw who really controls what we spend our money on.

AllrightyThen

This air powered car was invented back in the 1970’s ( and one before that too ). Like the water powered car and cars that get 300 mpg on gasoline, they were all swallowed whole by the big oil companies / banks that control the worlds economy and governments. These people do not want anything to replace their cash cow. Forget the environment – there’s money to be made.

Thank god that the internet is out of their reach.

If you don’t beleive me then google stanly meyer or any other free energy website.

It’s about time people opened their eyes and saw who really controls what we spend our money on.

airhead

Tell me how you can “refuel” the air tank to 4500 psi at a service station. In three minutes?!? Has anybody ever tried to put that kind of pressure in anything? You’d have to have one honking mother of an air compressor! And a leak with that kind of pressure behind it will cut your head off if you get too close. Let’s get real, folks.

airhead

Tell me how you can “refuel” the air tank to 4500 psi at a service station. In three minutes?!? Has anybody ever tried to put that kind of pressure in anything? You’d have to have one honking mother of an air compressor! And a leak with that kind of pressure behind it will cut your head off if you get too close. Let’s get real, folks.

airhead

Tell me how you can “refuel” the air tank to 4500 psi at a service station. In three minutes?!? Has anybody ever tried to put that kind of pressure in anything? You’d have to have one honking mother of an air compressor! And a leak with that kind of pressure behind it will cut your head off if you get too close. Let’s get real, folks.

DMac

This Newsweek interview offers the key to the US: Minivan size. 200 miles or so. Stop. Recharge over lunch (not over night) Go another 200 miles.

Tough to convince two worker families three cars – buy two Prius-types (for regular commutes) and one minivan (for shopping and vacation).

And 99 percent of travel is under 200 miles [a day]. There is the occasional road trip, but that’s actually pretty rare, and for some people it’s never. Our second model will address that rare case in two ways. One is to allow people to switch out the battery pack, so you can go to a battery-change station just like you’d go to a gas station. The second path is to have a high-speed charge. If you have a high-powered onboard charger, you can get an 80 percent charge in 45 minutes. If you’re going from L.A. to San Francisco, which is about a 400-mile trip, you can drive 200 miles, stop for lunch, charge your car in the restaurant parking lot, finish lunch and continue the remaining 200 miles to San Francisco.

DMac

This Newsweek interview offers the key to the US: Minivan size. 200 miles or so. Stop. Recharge over lunch (not over night) Go another 200 miles.

Tough to convince two worker families three cars – buy two Prius-types (for regular commutes) and one minivan (for shopping and vacation).

And 99 percent of travel is under 200 miles [a day]. There is the occasional road trip, but that’s actually pretty rare, and for some people it’s never. Our second model will address that rare case in two ways. One is to allow people to switch out the battery pack, so you can go to a battery-change station just like you’d go to a gas station. The second path is to have a high-speed charge. If you have a high-powered onboard charger, you can get an 80 percent charge in 45 minutes. If you’re going from L.A. to San Francisco, which is about a 400-mile trip, you can drive 200 miles, stop for lunch, charge your car in the restaurant parking lot, finish lunch and continue the remaining 200 miles to San Francisco.

DMac

This Newsweek interview offers the key to the US: Minivan size. 200 miles or so. Stop. Recharge over lunch (not over night) Go another 200 miles.

Tough to convince two worker families three cars – buy two Prius-types (for regular commutes) and one minivan (for shopping and vacation).

And 99 percent of travel is under 200 miles [a day]. There is the occasional road trip, but that’s actually pretty rare, and for some people it’s never. Our second model will address that rare case in two ways. One is to allow people to switch out the battery pack, so you can go to a battery-change station just like you’d go to a gas station. The second path is to have a high-speed charge. If you have a high-powered onboard charger, you can get an 80 percent charge in 45 minutes. If you’re going from L.A. to San Francisco, which is about a 400-mile trip, you can drive 200 miles, stop for lunch, charge your car in the restaurant parking lot, finish lunch and continue the remaining 200 miles to San Francisco.

All this new fuel tech is great, but why do the new cars that use them have to look like shit?

george

In response to Dan above, regarding a different drivetrain:

Check out the Tesla Turbine – a very efficient and incredibly simple turbine that can be driven by air as efficiently as water. Originally designed for the Niagra Falls dam. The Tesla Turbine doesn’t use blades! Which makes it very cheap to produce and replace.

I agree, instead of driving a cylinder, they should place turbines in each one of the wheels, and drive those wheels independently using the compressed air.

There absolutely has to be less mechanical losses there..

george

In response to Dan above, regarding a different drivetrain:

Check out the Tesla Turbine – a very efficient and incredibly simple turbine that can be driven by air as efficiently as water. Originally designed for the Niagra Falls dam. The Tesla Turbine doesn’t use blades! Which makes it very cheap to produce and replace.

I agree, instead of driving a cylinder, they should place turbines in each one of the wheels, and drive those wheels independently using the compressed air.

There absolutely has to be less mechanical losses there..

Henry Tigger

Sadly, this is not a solution at all!

As already stated above… the energy to compress the air will be from the electric power plants for now. Other factors of inefficiency are also introduced.

Unless the global birthrate is not curtailed, hopefully through smaller family INCENTIVES and larger family “taxes”, and through Re-education of the growing masses on the planet, No technological changes in transportation will solve the problem.

One child per family Must be the limit for now. Sad but true. The days of “be fruitful and multiply” are Over.

As already stated above… the energy to compress the air will be from the electric power plants for now. Other factors of inefficiency are also introduced.

Unless the global birthrate is not curtailed, hopefully through smaller family INCENTIVES and larger family “taxes”, and through Re-education of the growing masses on the planet, No technological changes in transportation will solve the problem.

One child per family Must be the limit for now. Sad but true. The days of “be fruitful and multiply” are Over.

“If every couple on Earth produced only a single child, we would have a global population of just 1.6 billion by the end of the century, Weisman claims — the same number as existed on earth in 1900. That would mean no more global warming, no struggles over water, fewer refugees and no need to fight over scant resources.

Third World countries like China, Brazil and India, people have lots of kids because that’s their “social security” system to care for ma & pa when they get old.

Consider India: It’s half the size of the United States, but has more than twice our population — one billion people. India churns out 130,000 new births every day of the year — the equivalent of a new city each day. So here’s the joke: How many Indians does it take to screw in an Earth-friendly fluorescent light bulb to save our planet? Fill in the blank.

The Bush administration has encouraged this population time bomb by denying funds for family planning programs in poor countries where they need it most. And the Catholic Church, among other religions, actually encourage its followers to have more children.”

Henry D

“If every couple on Earth produced only a single child, we would have a global population of just 1.6 billion by the end of the century, Weisman claims — the same number as existed on earth in 1900. That would mean no more global warming, no struggles over water, fewer refugees and no need to fight over scant resources.

Third World countries like China, Brazil and India, people have lots of kids because that’s their “social security” system to care for ma & pa when they get old.

Consider India: It’s half the size of the United States, but has more than twice our population — one billion people. India churns out 130,000 new births every day of the year — the equivalent of a new city each day. So here’s the joke: How many Indians does it take to screw in an Earth-friendly fluorescent light bulb to save our planet? Fill in the blank.

The Bush administration has encouraged this population time bomb by denying funds for family planning programs in poor countries where they need it most. And the Catholic Church, among other religions, actually encourage its followers to have more children.”

Henry D

“If every couple on Earth produced only a single child, we would have a global population of just 1.6 billion by the end of the century, Weisman claims — the same number as existed on earth in 1900. That would mean no more global warming, no struggles over water, fewer refugees and no need to fight over scant resources.

Third World countries like China, Brazil and India, people have lots of kids because that’s their “social security” system to care for ma & pa when they get old.

Consider India: It’s half the size of the United States, but has more than twice our population — one billion people. India churns out 130,000 new births every day of the year — the equivalent of a new city each day. So here’s the joke: How many Indians does it take to screw in an Earth-friendly fluorescent light bulb to save our planet? Fill in the blank.

The Bush administration has encouraged this population time bomb by denying funds for family planning programs in poor countries where they need it most. And the Catholic Church, among other religions, actually encourage its followers to have more children.”

Kumchacta

This is just ridiculous. As it is, compressing air for use of this kind uses up a gratuitous amount of energy, and enough energy is lost between the transaction between compressor to can and from can to engine to run probably more than one internal combustion engine.

On top of this, because of the massive amount of drivers in the united states alone, the air compression industry would have to have a massive overhaul to keep up with the demand for compressed air.

Its a nice idea, but it isn’t changing the problem with global dependence on fossil fuels. It’s a quick fix, or maybe a distraction, not a long term solution.

Kumchacta

This is just ridiculous. As it is, compressing air for use of this kind uses up a gratuitous amount of energy, and enough energy is lost between the transaction between compressor to can and from can to engine to run probably more than one internal combustion engine.

On top of this, because of the massive amount of drivers in the united states alone, the air compression industry would have to have a massive overhaul to keep up with the demand for compressed air.

Its a nice idea, but it isn’t changing the problem with global dependence on fossil fuels. It’s a quick fix, or maybe a distraction, not a long term solution.

Kumchacta

This is just ridiculous. As it is, compressing air for use of this kind uses up a gratuitous amount of energy, and enough energy is lost between the transaction between compressor to can and from can to engine to run probably more than one internal combustion engine.

On top of this, because of the massive amount of drivers in the united states alone, the air compression industry would have to have a massive overhaul to keep up with the demand for compressed air.

Its a nice idea, but it isn’t changing the problem with global dependence on fossil fuels. It’s a quick fix, or maybe a distraction, not a long term solution.

Marty

Sorry but this just doesn’t add up right. The figures and performance they’re claiming are for a golf-cart like vehicle that can’t possibly meet crash standards, support air conditioning, use a comfortable suspension, etc. There are a dozen ways to make high mileage golf carts. For a real car, the amount of energy stored by compressed air doesn’t come close to what’s already achieveable with a good battery. And as someone said above, if you’re going to use compressed air, why bother using an internal combustion engine to convert the energy back into torque? It’s inefficient, expensive and difficult to manufacture, and heavy no matter what it’s made from. Plenty of cars already have all aluminum engines. At most they save a hundred pounds or so. Don’t hold your breath for anything like a real air-powered car in 2009. There are better solutions.

Marty

Sorry but this just doesn’t add up right. The figures and performance they’re claiming are for a golf-cart like vehicle that can’t possibly meet crash standards, support air conditioning, use a comfortable suspension, etc. There are a dozen ways to make high mileage golf carts. For a real car, the amount of energy stored by compressed air doesn’t come close to what’s already achieveable with a good battery. And as someone said above, if you’re going to use compressed air, why bother using an internal combustion engine to convert the energy back into torque? It’s inefficient, expensive and difficult to manufacture, and heavy no matter what it’s made from. Plenty of cars already have all aluminum engines. At most they save a hundred pounds or so. Don’t hold your breath for anything like a real air-powered car in 2009. There are better solutions.

Marty

Sorry but this just doesn’t add up right. The figures and performance they’re claiming are for a golf-cart like vehicle that can’t possibly meet crash standards, support air conditioning, use a comfortable suspension, etc. There are a dozen ways to make high mileage golf carts. For a real car, the amount of energy stored by compressed air doesn’t come close to what’s already achieveable with a good battery. And as someone said above, if you’re going to use compressed air, why bother using an internal combustion engine to convert the energy back into torque? It’s inefficient, expensive and difficult to manufacture, and heavy no matter what it’s made from. Plenty of cars already have all aluminum engines. At most they save a hundred pounds or so. Don’t hold your breath for anything like a real air-powered car in 2009. There are better solutions.

claytond

All I want to know is, where is mosieur with our flying car, which is really nothing but a small airplane.. Where’s our hydrogen cars that the companies were all saying they could build 6 years ago? Actually what I want to know is where is the creativity in american people such as ourselves to come up with better ways to save the planet and beat the system? Truth is it doesn’t matter, even if the car is air powered you can bet that gas stations that give free air for tire fill ups will be charging probably 100 bucks to fill up that little thing… Just a reality check..

claytond

All I want to know is, where is mosieur with our flying car, which is really nothing but a small airplane.. Where’s our hydrogen cars that the companies were all saying they could build 6 years ago? Actually what I want to know is where is the creativity in american people such as ourselves to come up with better ways to save the planet and beat the system? Truth is it doesn’t matter, even if the car is air powered you can bet that gas stations that give free air for tire fill ups will be charging probably 100 bucks to fill up that little thing… Just a reality check..

claytond

All I want to know is, where is mosieur with our flying car, which is really nothing but a small airplane.. Where’s our hydrogen cars that the companies were all saying they could build 6 years ago? Actually what I want to know is where is the creativity in american people such as ourselves to come up with better ways to save the planet and beat the system? Truth is it doesn’t matter, even if the car is air powered you can bet that gas stations that give free air for tire fill ups will be charging probably 100 bucks to fill up that little thing… Just a reality check..

Tod Smith

The heck with electricity!

We should you wind towers and solar to compress the AIR.

Tod Smith

The heck with electricity!

We should you wind towers and solar to compress the AIR.

Tod Smith

The heck with electricity!

We should you wind towers and solar to compress the AIR.

http://frmtn.stumbleupon.com/ Jacques Gross

Listen all this stuff is great, but has anyone here seen the documentary “who kiled the electric car?” As long as there are petroleum and oil companies on this earth, we will not ever see these alternate fuel vehicles replace the internal combustion engine… It all boils down to money…

http://frmtn.stumbleupon.com/ Jacques Gross

Listen all this stuff is great, but has anyone here seen the documentary “who kiled the electric car?” As long as there are petroleum and oil companies on this earth, we will not ever see these alternate fuel vehicles replace the internal combustion engine… It all boils down to money…

http://frmtn.stumbleupon.com/ Jacques Gross

Listen all this stuff is great, but has anyone here seen the documentary “who kiled the electric car?” As long as there are petroleum and oil companies on this earth, we will not ever see these alternate fuel vehicles replace the internal combustion engine… It all boils down to money…

Mr opinion

Pimp- HA! Just what the world needs…ANOTHER alternative car. Whatever became of the functioning alternatives? Like, say electric. Ironic that it uses CO2. Isn’t that a chemical in Greenhouse gasses?

GO ride a bike.

Mr opinion

Pimp- HA! Just what the world needs…ANOTHER alternative car. Whatever became of the functioning alternatives? Like, say electric. Ironic that it uses CO2. Isn’t that a chemical in Greenhouse gasses?

GO ride a bike.

Mr opinion

Pimp- HA! Just what the world needs…ANOTHER alternative car. Whatever became of the functioning alternatives? Like, say electric. Ironic that it uses CO2. Isn’t that a chemical in Greenhouse gasses?

So I have no idea what is going on here. You guys email them. See what they say to you.

Malissa

whatever

I know it seems like a good idea but there is the problem with temperature. When air is compressed, it gets very hot and brings up the pressure in the container and when it is released, it gets very cold and reduces the initial pressure. that is the reason for the “petrol AND air” car. From 4500psi(300 bar) to about 300 psi, there is a big energy loss from the drop in temperature. It is not a direct conversion. For example: a diesel engine compresses air to about 250 psi which brings the temperature of compressed air to about 700 degrees then burns the fuel to climb up to 2000 degrees and expand the air. Air doubles in volume or pressure every 300 degrees. Don’t quote me on the numbers because I am doing this from memory, but I know that I am in the ball park.This is just to say that there is a big energy waste somewhere in the process.

whatever

I know it seems like a good idea but there is the problem with temperature. When air is compressed, it gets very hot and brings up the pressure in the container and when it is released, it gets very cold and reduces the initial pressure. that is the reason for the “petrol AND air” car. From 4500psi(300 bar) to about 300 psi, there is a big energy loss from the drop in temperature. It is not a direct conversion. For example: a diesel engine compresses air to about 250 psi which brings the temperature of compressed air to about 700 degrees then burns the fuel to climb up to 2000 degrees and expand the air. Air doubles in volume or pressure every 300 degrees. Don’t quote me on the numbers because I am doing this from memory, but I know that I am in the ball park.This is just to say that there is a big energy waste somewhere in the process.

jchull

What about the usable life of the CF tanks? DOT will require periodic hydrostatic pressure testing, which would require removal of the tanks. It is every 5 years for aluminum and steel scuba cylinders. Any firefighters here that know more about CF cylinders?

jchull

What about the usable life of the CF tanks? DOT will require periodic hydrostatic pressure testing, which would require removal of the tanks. It is every 5 years for aluminum and steel scuba cylinders. Any firefighters here that know more about CF cylinders?

Adrian

Great idea, about time someone puts their heads together to come up with an oil-free solution to a vehicle!

BUT

Why does it have to look so DAMN FUGLY?!?!?!?!?!?

Car ‘designers’ of today should all go back to design and engineering class. I mean really. Between toyota, lexus, nissan and honda the whole planet will be looking like it got hit with the ugly stick before long!

Adrian

Great idea, about time someone puts their heads together to come up with an oil-free solution to a vehicle!

BUT

Why does it have to look so DAMN FUGLY?!?!?!?!?!?

Car ‘designers’ of today should all go back to design and engineering class. I mean really. Between toyota, lexus, nissan and honda the whole planet will be looking like it got hit with the ugly stick before long!

Adrian

Great idea, about time someone puts their heads together to come up with an oil-free solution to a vehicle!

BUT

Why does it have to look so DAMN FUGLY?!?!?!?!?!?

Car ‘designers’ of today should all go back to design and engineering class. I mean really. Between toyota, lexus, nissan and honda the whole planet will be looking like it got hit with the ugly stick before long!

Frank

Knickerbocker Ice Company in 1932 had electric trucks that delivered ice in NYC, At night they plugged into an outlet and recharge the trucks for next day deliveries. Ir worked. Who got paid off not to use this technology then and now???

Now the air car is coming. France is charging $7500. for a 2 seater and India is charging $2500. for a 2 seater. ZPM will charge $15,000. What a rip off. Greedy companies at work again

Frank

Knickerbocker Ice Company in 1932 had electric trucks that delivered ice in NYC, At night they plugged into an outlet and recharge the trucks for next day deliveries. Ir worked. Who got paid off not to use this technology then and now???

Now the air car is coming. France is charging $7500. for a 2 seater and India is charging $2500. for a 2 seater. ZPM will charge $15,000. What a rip off. Greedy companies at work again

Frank

Knickerbocker Ice Company in 1932 had electric trucks that delivered ice in NYC, At night they plugged into an outlet and recharge the trucks for next day deliveries. Ir worked. Who got paid off not to use this technology then and now???

Now the air car is coming. France is charging $7500. for a 2 seater and India is charging $2500. for a 2 seater. ZPM will charge $15,000. What a rip off. Greedy companies at work again

Shoobert

They said… Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

And I say, use wind power, the Dakotas, all the way down to Texas. Over there in Western Europe over 50 percent and (I think) in some areas as much as 80 percent of the energy produced is alternative energy. C’mon guys! Y’know all y’have to do is use your head! Quit asking such stupid questions!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoobert

They said… Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

And I say, use wind power, the Dakotas, all the way down to Texas. Over there in Western Europe over 50 percent and (I think) in some areas as much as 80 percent of the energy produced is alternative energy. C’mon guys! Y’know all y’have to do is use your head! Quit asking such stupid questions!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line whats the price? keep the price low and people will change their minds (if they have one). Low cost transportation to work who cares what it looks like its a car not your girlfriend.

Ray

Bottom line whats the price? keep the price low and people will change their minds (if they have one). Low cost transportation to work who cares what it looks like its a car not your girlfriend.

Ray

Bottom line whats the price? keep the price low and people will change their minds (if they have one). Low cost transportation to work who cares what it looks like its a car not your girlfriend.

SAM

What kind of warranty do you get with these cars and I agree they sure are ugly?

SAM

What kind of warranty do you get with these cars and I agree they sure are ugly?

chris

Is there a way to compress a meaningful tankful of compressed air, say, enough for 30 miles at 30 mph, using small force sources? For example, a millstream of water running at 50 gallons/minute or a few solar panels.

chris

Is there a way to compress a meaningful tankful of compressed air, say, enough for 30 miles at 30 mph, using small force sources? For example, a millstream of water running at 50 gallons/minute or a few solar panels.

chris

Is there a way to compress a meaningful tankful of compressed air, say, enough for 30 miles at 30 mph, using small force sources? For example, a millstream of water running at 50 gallons/minute or a few solar panels.

chris

How about a step gap measure – between a 4 hour home charge to compress the tank and the iffy chance of finding a 3 minute refill at a high pressure roadside station? For instance, by charging the “onboard compressor” so that it can discharge its “pre-load” at the flick of a switch to extend the range of the vehicle.

chris

How about a step gap measure – between a 4 hour home charge to compress the tank and the iffy chance of finding a 3 minute refill at a high pressure roadside station? For instance, by charging the “onboard compressor” so that it can discharge its “pre-load” at the flick of a switch to extend the range of the vehicle.

chris

How about a step gap measure – between a 4 hour home charge to compress the tank and the iffy chance of finding a 3 minute refill at a high pressure roadside station? For instance, by charging the “onboard compressor” so that it can discharge its “pre-load” at the flick of a switch to extend the range of the vehicle.

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thermalhermit

Although i think the engine in the second half of the video should be implemented, rather than the traditional cam timed crap… at least we’re getting somewhere. If the inventor of the rotary hasn’t contacted the implementers of the air cam timed shit engine yet, then i’m sure he will sooner or later, or vise versa.

The price is EXTREMELY reasonable… so i don’t know what some of you retards are trying to say… it’s takes just as much to build one of these cars as it does a combustion driven car, void the emission control components. Please don’t forget to take into consideration that these cars aren’t being built in factories that have been around as long as chevy. they haven’t quite gotten down the procedures it takes to build a car in an hour.

chevy’s cobalt starts at 10,000 dollars or so… and i would estimate that it takes around 7 hours to build one car. it probably takes MDI 10 DAYS to build one car, because they’re a relatively new company… so calm down, shut the fuck up, and watch. by the time the 800mile/fillup car comes out, they’re going to be producing the same as the big companies, and the prices are going to be VERY low.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the base model is 3,000 dollars by the time it’s all worked out.

just like the good ol’ days.

thermalhermit

Although i think the engine in the second half of the video should be implemented, rather than the traditional cam timed crap… at least we’re getting somewhere. If the inventor of the rotary hasn’t contacted the implementers of the air cam timed shit engine yet, then i’m sure he will sooner or later, or vise versa.

The price is EXTREMELY reasonable… so i don’t know what some of you retards are trying to say… it’s takes just as much to build one of these cars as it does a combustion driven car, void the emission control components. Please don’t forget to take into consideration that these cars aren’t being built in factories that have been around as long as chevy. they haven’t quite gotten down the procedures it takes to build a car in an hour.

chevy’s cobalt starts at 10,000 dollars or so… and i would estimate that it takes around 7 hours to build one car. it probably takes MDI 10 DAYS to build one car, because they’re a relatively new company… so calm down, shut the fuck up, and watch. by the time the 800mile/fillup car comes out, they’re going to be producing the same as the big companies, and the prices are going to be VERY low.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the base model is 3,000 dollars by the time it’s all worked out.

just like the good ol’ days.

thermalhermit

Although i think the engine in the second half of the video should be implemented, rather than the traditional cam timed crap… at least we’re getting somewhere. If the inventor of the rotary hasn’t contacted the implementers of the air cam timed shit engine yet, then i’m sure he will sooner or later, or vise versa.

The price is EXTREMELY reasonable… so i don’t know what some of you retards are trying to say… it’s takes just as much to build one of these cars as it does a combustion driven car, void the emission control components. Please don’t forget to take into consideration that these cars aren’t being built in factories that have been around as long as chevy. they haven’t quite gotten down the procedures it takes to build a car in an hour.

chevy’s cobalt starts at 10,000 dollars or so… and i would estimate that it takes around 7 hours to build one car. it probably takes MDI 10 DAYS to build one car, because they’re a relatively new company… so calm down, shut the fuck up, and watch. by the time the 800mile/fillup car comes out, they’re going to be producing the same as the big companies, and the prices are going to be VERY low.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the base model is 3,000 dollars by the time it’s all worked out.

just like the good ol’ days.

thermalhermit

“They said… Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

And I say, use wind power, the Dakotas, all the way down to Texas. Over there in Western Europe over 50 percent and (I think) in some areas as much as 80 percent of the energy produced is alternative energy. C’mon guys! Y’know all y’have to do is use your head! Quit asking such stupid questions!!!!!!!!!!!!”

not only are you right, but the people you are responding to are STUPID.

it doesn’t necessarily take any power from a “power plant” to compress the air. cut out one day of weed-whacking, use that motor(let it spin the same amount of revelations as you would’ve that few hours of weed-whacking) to turn a compressor to fill your tanks, and you can drive for a few weeks one the air that you’ve compressed. (I estimate)

we’re so close to perpetual energy anyway that if you environmentally minded people cared so much… you could (on top of reverse gear breaking(the inertia of your car being used to generate electricity), coasting power(and again, the inertia of your car being used to generate electricity) little turbines(being driven by the wind, AND the movement of your car)) just turn a crank for 10 minutes… oh but then you might be worried about the amount of calories it would take to turn that crank. and how many carrots that would kill.

we overproduce as a species… we’re bad at estimating how much of anything we will need after we put it together. so why not start using it?

we have plenty of sugar based shit laying around that we don’t use. we can probably produce more ethanol out of the stuff we have laying around on an every day basis, to run our world. unless we start using what we waste to help other countries (which we should)

air power= propeller + the natural movement of the earth + cost of materials to maintain the electrical system.

the earth is going to be spinning for as long as we’re a race of sentient beings… (unless of course we evolve beyond this existence.) in fact, the earth has scientifically been proven to be accelerating in it’s rate of rotation. so logically, with the doubling of our technology every 10 years, we would be able to compensate with any discrepancies.

perpetual= energy output remains the same without any input of energy.

we have not yet achieved this, although it has been claimed. but we have come pretty close.

we’re so close in fact, that i would venture to say;

if we had a few thousand strong men (paid well) peddling away to create enough energy to fill the gap of power lost, we would be at 95% efficiency which would make up for the amount lost(not taking into account calories burned by them. which would be a lot less than the heat lost by the machinery of today.) If you don’t believe that we’re this close… look around youtube for natural magnet engines, and calculate them to be larger scale. you’ll be surprised.

my main point: you’re all retarded.

thermalhermit

“They said… Are they considering the amount of pollution produced by a power plant in order to compress the air to start with? I mean it sounds like a nice idea, and maybe it is too good to be true, but air doesn’t compress itself.

And I say, use wind power, the Dakotas, all the way down to Texas. Over there in Western Europe over 50 percent and (I think) in some areas as much as 80 percent of the energy produced is alternative energy. C’mon guys! Y’know all y’have to do is use your head! Quit asking such stupid questions!!!!!!!!!!!!”

not only are you right, but the people you are responding to are STUPID.

it doesn’t necessarily take any power from a “power plant” to compress the air. cut out one day of weed-whacking, use that motor(let it spin the same amount of revelations as you would’ve that few hours of weed-whacking) to turn a compressor to fill your tanks, and you can drive for a few weeks one the air that you’ve compressed. (I estimate)

we’re so close to perpetual energy anyway that if you environmentally minded people cared so much… you could (on top of reverse gear breaking(the inertia of your car being used to generate electricity), coasting power(and again, the inertia of your car being used to generate electricity) little turbines(being driven by the wind, AND the movement of your car)) just turn a crank for 10 minutes… oh but then you might be worried about the amount of calories it would take to turn that crank. and how many carrots that would kill.

we overproduce as a species… we’re bad at estimating how much of anything we will need after we put it together. so why not start using it?

we have plenty of sugar based shit laying around that we don’t use. we can probably produce more ethanol out of the stuff we have laying around on an every day basis, to run our world. unless we start using what we waste to help other countries (which we should)

air power= propeller + the natural movement of the earth + cost of materials to maintain the electrical system.

the earth is going to be spinning for as long as we’re a race of sentient beings… (unless of course we evolve beyond this existence.) in fact, the earth has scientifically been proven to be accelerating in it’s rate of rotation. so logically, with the doubling of our technology every 10 years, we would be able to compensate with any discrepancies.

perpetual= energy output remains the same without any input of energy.

we have not yet achieved this, although it has been claimed. but we have come pretty close.

we’re so close in fact, that i would venture to say;

if we had a few thousand strong men (paid well) peddling away to create enough energy to fill the gap of power lost, we would be at 95% efficiency which would make up for the amount lost(not taking into account calories burned by them. which would be a lot less than the heat lost by the machinery of today.) If you don’t believe that we’re this close… look around youtube for natural magnet engines, and calculate them to be larger scale. you’ll be surprised.

my main point: you’re all retarded.

thermalhermit

P.S.

I didn’t proof read my previous two posts before i submitted them… so please excuse any grammatical errors, and try to understand what is being said.

thermalhermit

P.S.

I didn’t proof read my previous two posts before i submitted them… so please excuse any grammatical errors, and try to understand what is being said.

thermalhermit

P.S.

I didn’t proof read my previous two posts before i submitted them… so please excuse any grammatical errors, and try to understand what is being said.

thermalhermit

“I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.”

jesus christ people…. all i’ve been reading throughout all of the comments left, are complains about concept cars looking weird, being able to achieve the same with electricity, and the ride not being as comfy because of the lightweight frame.

shut… up. you’re all stupid.

first of all… when you’re driving to work, are you looking at yourself driving your car? no. so why care about what you can’t see.

second of all, the claim that electric cars are just as efficient is FALSE. first of all, if we were to replace all of the cars on the planet with electric, or air powered, take this into consideration:

i’d say that a good enough battery to match three air tanks would run you 4-5 thousand dollars, compared to 3 hundred dollars for a CF tank.

lets say there are 1 billion cars on the road:

that’s an average of four hundred and fifty trillion dollars($450,000,000,000,000) just in batteries alone to replace all of the combustion cars with electric cars.

now lets compare that to the three hundred billion ($300,000,000,000) it would take to convert combustion to air.

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it would cost our world (given the ratio of cost is accurate) four hundred and forty nine trillion, and seven billion dollars more to convert to electric than it would air. and that’s just taking into consideration the cost of fuel tank replacement. electric motor maintenance is more frequent, because of the coils. and it is more difficult to produce, and store electricity than it is to compress air.

I would venture to say that one combustion stroke of a 350hp engine could spin a properly weighted flywheel as much as it would take to fill 1/32 of one of those tanks. so 32 compression strokes to fill one, 96 to fill them all. that’s 384 strokes of a 350hp engine with a properly weighted flywheel.

you wouldn’t even be using an 1/16 gallon of gas, or even one full minute of your time, to fill the tanks.

this is why air cars make such good hybrids.

I feel like nobody watched the second part of the video. palm sized engine, same power….

thermalhermit

“I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.”

jesus christ people…. all i’ve been reading throughout all of the comments left, are complains about concept cars looking weird, being able to achieve the same with electricity, and the ride not being as comfy because of the lightweight frame.

shut… up. you’re all stupid.

first of all… when you’re driving to work, are you looking at yourself driving your car? no. so why care about what you can’t see.

second of all, the claim that electric cars are just as efficient is FALSE. first of all, if we were to replace all of the cars on the planet with electric, or air powered, take this into consideration:

i’d say that a good enough battery to match three air tanks would run you 4-5 thousand dollars, compared to 3 hundred dollars for a CF tank.

lets say there are 1 billion cars on the road:

that’s an average of four hundred and fifty trillion dollars($450,000,000,000,000) just in batteries alone to replace all of the combustion cars with electric cars.

now lets compare that to the three hundred billion ($300,000,000,000) it would take to convert combustion to air.

450000000000000

-300000000000

—————

449700000000000

it would cost our world (given the ratio of cost is accurate) four hundred and forty nine trillion, and seven billion dollars more to convert to electric than it would air. and that’s just taking into consideration the cost of fuel tank replacement. electric motor maintenance is more frequent, because of the coils. and it is more difficult to produce, and store electricity than it is to compress air.

I would venture to say that one combustion stroke of a 350hp engine could spin a properly weighted flywheel as much as it would take to fill 1/32 of one of those tanks. so 32 compression strokes to fill one, 96 to fill them all. that’s 384 strokes of a 350hp engine with a properly weighted flywheel.

you wouldn’t even be using an 1/16 gallon of gas, or even one full minute of your time, to fill the tanks.

this is why air cars make such good hybrids.

I feel like nobody watched the second part of the video. palm sized engine, same power….

thermalhermit

“I love that alternative, efficient, and cleaner automotive technologies are being brought to production (or at least seeing the light of day), but for goodness sake, can they spare a designer for the project?

The main objection I have against alternative fuel vehicles is that they almost always look faux-futuristic and, to be honest, ugly.

I know that certain shapes are good for aerodynamics, but there have been cars built with good lines that are also low drag.

Is there some conspiracy that is keeping car companies from making a visually appealing alternative fuel vehicle? Maybe, but if Tesla can make a halfway decent looking electric, this ZPM company should be able to as well.”

jesus christ people…. all i’ve been reading throughout all of the comments left, are complains about concept cars looking weird, being able to achieve the same with electricity, and the ride not being as comfy because of the lightweight frame.

shut… up. you’re all stupid.

first of all… when you’re driving to work, are you looking at yourself driving your car? no. so why care about what you can’t see.

second of all, the claim that electric cars are just as efficient is FALSE. first of all, if we were to replace all of the cars on the planet with electric, or air powered, take this into consideration:

i’d say that a good enough battery to match three air tanks would run you 4-5 thousand dollars, compared to 3 hundred dollars for a CF tank.

lets say there are 1 billion cars on the road:

that’s an average of four hundred and fifty trillion dollars($450,000,000,000,000) just in batteries alone to replace all of the combustion cars with electric cars.

now lets compare that to the three hundred billion ($300,000,000,000) it would take to convert combustion to air.

450000000000000

-300000000000

—————

449700000000000

it would cost our world (given the ratio of cost is accurate) four hundred and forty nine trillion, and seven billion dollars more to convert to electric than it would air. and that’s just taking into consideration the cost of fuel tank replacement. electric motor maintenance is more frequent, because of the coils. and it is more difficult to produce, and store electricity than it is to compress air.

I would venture to say that one combustion stroke of a 350hp engine could spin a properly weighted flywheel as much as it would take to fill 1/32 of one of those tanks. so 32 compression strokes to fill one, 96 to fill them all. that’s 384 strokes of a 350hp engine with a properly weighted flywheel.

you wouldn’t even be using an 1/16 gallon of gas, or even one full minute of your time, to fill the tanks.

this is why air cars make such good hybrids.

I feel like nobody watched the second part of the video. palm sized engine, same power….

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FredEx

I wonder what some folks level of comprehension is.

The compressed air is safe, that is one reason why they use carbon fiber tanks. They are light, super strong, but if ruptured they don’t explode, they crack and lose pressure.

It does not run on CO2, some is produced when it heats the air to be able to drive over 35 and it increases distance. That is what the heater is for in the illustration. The article is misleading, the engine DOES NOT burn fuel, the heater does to expand the air going to the engine, therefore increasing its pressure going to the engine.

The home air compressor can be powered many ways. Air, solar, fuel, electricity or even water power. We have two dams in my town on a river, one owned by the city and the other by a private business. If you are lucky enough to have a flowing water source, there you go.

I’ve seen the head of Tata Motors at a car show talking about their involvement with this car. They do not sell them yet, they are going through testing for crash worthiness, just like they’d have to do coming in the US.

Vehicles have been sold, not the cars yet. Air powered vehicles are used in some factories that normally use LP driven lift trucks or golf cart type vehicles to get around the factory.

FredEx

I wonder what some folks level of comprehension is.

The compressed air is safe, that is one reason why they use carbon fiber tanks. They are light, super strong, but if ruptured they don’t explode, they crack and lose pressure.

It does not run on CO2, some is produced when it heats the air to be able to drive over 35 and it increases distance. That is what the heater is for in the illustration. The article is misleading, the engine DOES NOT burn fuel, the heater does to expand the air going to the engine, therefore increasing its pressure going to the engine.

The home air compressor can be powered many ways. Air, solar, fuel, electricity or even water power. We have two dams in my town on a river, one owned by the city and the other by a private business. If you are lucky enough to have a flowing water source, there you go.

I’ve seen the head of Tata Motors at a car show talking about their involvement with this car. They do not sell them yet, they are going through testing for crash worthiness, just like they’d have to do coming in the US.

Vehicles have been sold, not the cars yet. Air powered vehicles are used in some factories that normally use LP driven lift trucks or golf cart type vehicles to get around the factory.

FredEx

I wonder what some folks level of comprehension is.

The compressed air is safe, that is one reason why they use carbon fiber tanks. They are light, super strong, but if ruptured they don’t explode, they crack and lose pressure.

It does not run on CO2, some is produced when it heats the air to be able to drive over 35 and it increases distance. That is what the heater is for in the illustration. The article is misleading, the engine DOES NOT burn fuel, the heater does to expand the air going to the engine, therefore increasing its pressure going to the engine.

The home air compressor can be powered many ways. Air, solar, fuel, electricity or even water power. We have two dams in my town on a river, one owned by the city and the other by a private business. If you are lucky enough to have a flowing water source, there you go.

I’ve seen the head of Tata Motors at a car show talking about their involvement with this car. They do not sell them yet, they are going through testing for crash worthiness, just like they’d have to do coming in the US.

Vehicles have been sold, not the cars yet. Air powered vehicles are used in some factories that normally use LP driven lift trucks or golf cart type vehicles to get around the factory.

Marik Bromine

Under $15,000! Nice, but at what price would America be able to buy them? Also, why does the car have to be so very very ugly?

Marik Bromine

Under $15,000! Nice, but at what price would America be able to buy them? Also, why does the car have to be so very very ugly?

Marik Bromine

Under $15,000! Nice, but at what price would America be able to buy them? Also, why does the car have to be so very very ugly?

Shirleen Calahan

It sounds good,but what if your in a wreck,looks mighty thin

Shirleen Calahan

It sounds good,but what if your in a wreck,looks mighty thin

Shirleen Calahan

It sounds good,but what if your in a wreck,looks mighty thin

zammo

they can also be used as space vehicles when cellphone soccer moms ram them with Hummers and launch them into orbit!

zammo

they can also be used as space vehicles when cellphone soccer moms ram them with Hummers and launch them into orbit!

zammo

they can also be used as space vehicles when cellphone soccer moms ram them with Hummers and launch them into orbit!

CNCMike

I always get a kick out of the nay sayers who state that an electric car is so much better for the environment. Now I love the idea of driving an electric car or motorcycle but I would love for someone to explain to me how the $2 worth of electricity to charge up the currently available NEV’s will have any less effect on the environment than the $2 worth of electricity to charge up the air car. Same amount of electricity, same range and the air car has the ability to travel at highway speeds if needed which the NEV’s cannot, and it emmits less CO2 than a Prius while its driving at highway speeds. If you think CF tanks are expensive take a look at LiOn battery packs and the CF tanks are 100% recycleable and no battery is. They are in fact 98% recycleable which pretty good.

CNCMike

I always get a kick out of the nay sayers who state that an electric car is so much better for the environment. Now I love the idea of driving an electric car or motorcycle but I would love for someone to explain to me how the $2 worth of electricity to charge up the currently available NEV’s will have any less effect on the environment than the $2 worth of electricity to charge up the air car. Same amount of electricity, same range and the air car has the ability to travel at highway speeds if needed which the NEV’s cannot, and it emmits less CO2 than a Prius while its driving at highway speeds. If you think CF tanks are expensive take a look at LiOn battery packs and the CF tanks are 100% recycleable and no battery is. They are in fact 98% recycleable which pretty good.

Karl

It is true that cars like these still actually pollute even when running on pure air. Compressed air, like hydrogen, is an energy conveyer, not a source. As an earlier poster mentioned, you need electricity to compress the air so you are relocating the pollution to a power plant. However, this is desirable! Power plants are more efficient than car engines, it is easier to control pollution in a centralized location, and what pollution is emitted is usually in a remote location. Can’t wait until more technologies like this are more mainstream.

Karl

It is true that cars like these still actually pollute even when running on pure air. Compressed air, like hydrogen, is an energy conveyer, not a source. As an earlier poster mentioned, you need electricity to compress the air so you are relocating the pollution to a power plant. However, this is desirable! Power plants are more efficient than car engines, it is easier to control pollution in a centralized location, and what pollution is emitted is usually in a remote location. Can’t wait until more technologies like this are more mainstream.

http://www.buyingadvice.com/ BuyingAdvice

Well said Karl. Hopefully we’ll see a big switch to electric cars and nuclear power soon, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

http://www.buyingadvice.com/ BuyingAdvice

Well said Karl. Hopefully we’ll see a big switch to electric cars and nuclear power soon, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

http://www.buyingadvice.com/ BuyingAdvice

Well said Karl. Hopefully we’ll see a big switch to electric cars and nuclear power soon, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

1. While it doesn’t cost energy to mine for, transport, and separate oil, it costs tons to compress air.

2. While the oil industry is safe and clean, air is known to be very harmful to the air.

3. While oil is a highly renewable source, air has yet to prove itself to be renewable.

4. Air spills have been known to damage our oceans.

5. ????

6. Profit!

Coleman

This won’t solve anything guys.

1. While it doesn’t cost energy to mine for, transport, and separate oil, it costs tons to compress air.

2. While the oil industry is safe and clean, air is known to be very harmful to the air.

3. While oil is a highly renewable source, air has yet to prove itself to be renewable.

4. Air spills have been known to damage our oceans.

5. ????

6. Profit!

Aslanded

Awesome. Looks great. I’ve been waiting a few years for these to reach the streets. Now we just need to wait until the gas prices put the assh**es in the SUVs off the streets and it will be safe..

Aslanded

Awesome. Looks great. I’ve been waiting a few years for these to reach the streets. Now we just need to wait until the gas prices put the assh**es in the SUVs off the streets and it will be safe..

Aslanded

Nuclear power isnt clean. Its a toxic con. Anyone who thinks producing insane volumes of something that can kill for half a million years is a good idea needs to start looking for new sources for their news. The industry creates so much death, in spraying Depleted Uranium all over the middle east, in weapons and in poorly contained storage in the US, In any case theres not enough Uranium to last more than a couple decades if it were to replace coal so you best pin your hopes elsewhere. Wave power is a good start, better yet, reduce your consumption and make your own power to compress the air. Stop relying on the corporations to do everything for you. It will be the death of us all.

Aslanded

Nuclear power isnt clean. Its a toxic con. Anyone who thinks producing insane volumes of something that can kill for half a million years is a good idea needs to start looking for new sources for their news. The industry creates so much death, in spraying Depleted Uranium all over the middle east, in weapons and in poorly contained storage in the US, In any case theres not enough Uranium to last more than a couple decades if it were to replace coal so you best pin your hopes elsewhere. Wave power is a good start, better yet, reduce your consumption and make your own power to compress the air. Stop relying on the corporations to do everything for you. It will be the death of us all.

Aslanded

Nuclear power isnt clean. Its a toxic con. Anyone who thinks producing insane volumes of something that can kill for half a million years is a good idea needs to start looking for new sources for their news. The industry creates so much death, in spraying Depleted Uranium all over the middle east, in weapons and in poorly contained storage in the US, In any case theres not enough Uranium to last more than a couple decades if it were to replace coal so you best pin your hopes elsewhere. Wave power is a good start, better yet, reduce your consumption and make your own power to compress the air. Stop relying on the corporations to do everything for you. It will be the death of us all.

ankur panchal

ti is wonderfull car. i like

ankur panchal

ti is wonderfull car. i like

http://www.OregonAppraiser.com ReduceGHGs

The beauty of the air car is in its storage/recapture efficiency. My Prius stores energy in the battery via mechanical–>electrical–>chemical. To get it out the process reverses. At each step there are significant losses due to efficiency.

With the Air Car the mechanical energy stored as compressed air is transferred to the wheels with much less loss.

For that initial charge (compression) I’ll put a solar panel on the garage roof. I may even glue one to the roof of the car. I’ll be seeing a lot less of Exxon and hopefully this will be ONE step in the right direction as we battle the climate crisis.

http://www.OregonAppraiser.com ReduceGHGs

The beauty of the air car is in its storage/recapture efficiency. My Prius stores energy in the battery via mechanical–>electrical–>chemical. To get it out the process reverses. At each step there are significant losses due to efficiency.

With the Air Car the mechanical energy stored as compressed air is transferred to the wheels with much less loss.

For that initial charge (compression) I’ll put a solar panel on the garage roof. I may even glue one to the roof of the car. I’ll be seeing a lot less of Exxon and hopefully this will be ONE step in the right direction as we battle the climate crisis.

http://www.OregonAppraiser.com ReduceGHGs

The beauty of the air car is in its storage/recapture efficiency. My Prius stores energy in the battery via mechanical–>electrical–>chemical. To get it out the process reverses. At each step there are significant losses due to efficiency.

With the Air Car the mechanical energy stored as compressed air is transferred to the wheels with much less loss.

For that initial charge (compression) I’ll put a solar panel on the garage roof. I may even glue one to the roof of the car. I’ll be seeing a lot less of Exxon and hopefully this will be ONE step in the right direction as we battle the climate crisis.

lyn

Don’t hold your breath on any car that will get you off of oil (gasoline). The oil companies will destroy it as they did the GM electric cars and the street cars all over the USA!

They will bribe the politicans and the car companies!

lyn

Don’t hold your breath on any car that will get you off of oil (gasoline). The oil companies will destroy it as they did the GM electric cars and the street cars all over the USA!

They will bribe the politicans and the car companies!

lyn

Don’t hold your breath on any car that will get you off of oil (gasoline). The oil companies will destroy it as they did the GM electric cars and the street cars all over the USA!

They will bribe the politicans and the car companies!

Sam

There is no way on earth you could put 4500 psi into a tank from a gas station compressor. These normally produce no more than 100 to 120 psi. So forget the gas station recharge. What are they thinking?

To make this machine more efficient, try running a Tesla turbine with the compressed air to power a generator that keeps batteries charged, which power the electric drive. No fuel of any kind is needed then, except the compressed air, and the periodic plug-in to refill the air tank, which could use the same motor that powers the car to run the compressor.

Sam

There is no way on earth you could put 4500 psi into a tank from a gas station compressor. These normally produce no more than 100 to 120 psi. So forget the gas station recharge. What are they thinking?

To make this machine more efficient, try running a Tesla turbine with the compressed air to power a generator that keeps batteries charged, which power the electric drive. No fuel of any kind is needed then, except the compressed air, and the periodic plug-in to refill the air tank, which could use the same motor that powers the car to run the compressor.

Sam

There is no way on earth you could put 4500 psi into a tank from a gas station compressor. These normally produce no more than 100 to 120 psi. So forget the gas station recharge. What are they thinking?

To make this machine more efficient, try running a Tesla turbine with the compressed air to power a generator that keeps batteries charged, which power the electric drive. No fuel of any kind is needed then, except the compressed air, and the periodic plug-in to refill the air tank, which could use the same motor that powers the car to run the compressor.

Sam

To Kevin,

Not all electrics are ugly. Check out the Tesla roadster. Sexy, fast (0-60 mph in 4 seconds) and usable (225 mile range, 125 mph top speed).

Sam

To Kevin,

Not all electrics are ugly. Check out the Tesla roadster. Sexy, fast (0-60 mph in 4 seconds) and usable (225 mile range, 125 mph top speed).

Steve

Electricity used to compress the air at least has the potential to be renewable and emission-free (wind, solar, hydro, nuclear). This is step forward from gasoline.

Steve

Electricity used to compress the air at least has the potential to be renewable and emission-free (wind, solar, hydro, nuclear). This is step forward from gasoline.

I realize that there is a lot of work being done on alternative vehicles right now. I’m all for that and would love to get my hands on any number of them just to tinker with myself. In reference to the whole concept of moving the emissions from the tail pipe to the the smoke stack, there is another school of thought. While yes, this is a concern, keep in mind that it is a lot easier to keep a handful commercial plants “tuned up” than 100,000 individual cars owned by people that don’t know what a ratchet is. Also, if a technology is developed that would increase efficiency by 1%, it is hard to convince the individual consumer because of the return of the investment. On the other hand, a 1% increase in efficiency on a major plant is well worth the investment. Just food for thought

steve

I realize that there is a lot of work being done on alternative vehicles right now. I’m all for that and would love to get my hands on any number of them just to tinker with myself. In reference to the whole concept of moving the emissions from the tail pipe to the the smoke stack, there is another school of thought. While yes, this is a concern, keep in mind that it is a lot easier to keep a handful commercial plants “tuned up” than 100,000 individual cars owned by people that don’t know what a ratchet is. Also, if a technology is developed that would increase efficiency by 1%, it is hard to convince the individual consumer because of the return of the investment. On the other hand, a 1% increase in efficiency on a major plant is well worth the investment. Just food for thought

John

Indians are trying to take credit for inventing this car, but to make it clear this car was invented in Europe by a Frenchmen Guy Nègre not a 3rd world Indian like some Indians would love for you to believe. Tata only bought the rights to manufacture it for cheap.

John

Indians are trying to take credit for inventing this car, but to make it clear this car was invented in Europe by a Frenchmen Guy Nègre not a 3rd world Indian like some Indians would love for you to believe. Tata only bought the rights to manufacture it for cheap.

George

Has anyone noticed that the date on the license plate is 2003?

You know this and many other ideas should have surfaced years ago.

George

Has anyone noticed that the date on the license plate is 2003?

You know this and many other ideas should have surfaced years ago.

http://MYNE mooblikatz

You bungholers whining about how it looks and efficiency have been so brain trained by the Detroit Baron rip-offs you can not even see past your own McDonalds fat asses. Jerks. Eat some more fast burgers.

Richard

What about a engine that didn’t expel the gases but renew them by compression and reutilize once more on the engine??!!

Richard

What about a engine that didn’t expel the gases but renew them by compression and reutilize once more on the engine??!!

Software Monkey

People could easily generate their own compressed air so they wouldnt be paying tax on it. Can’t see the government lettin this one thru!

Software Monkey

People could easily generate their own compressed air so they wouldnt be paying tax on it. Can’t see the government lettin this one thru!

http://boksiora.googlepages.com/home2?300133300 Matthew Wadham

And you get free air conditioning! That adds to inefficiencies when it’s cold out, though, just like engine heat is wasted when it’s hot in a conventional automobile engine. I’m a little surprised that compressed air can do anything efficient, though…

http://boksiora.googlepages.com/home2?300133300 Matthew Wadham

And you get free air conditioning! That adds to inefficiencies when it’s cold out, though, just like engine heat is wasted when it’s hot in a conventional automobile engine. I’m a little surprised that compressed air can do anything efficient, though…

jojo

All you greenies whining that this isn’t green enough technology to save the world, would you like some more cheese with your whine? All i care about is 1-what’s it going to cost?, 2-what’s the cost to operate it?, and 3-it’s going to have A/C if it’s going to sell in Southwest Florida.

jojo

All you greenies whining that this isn’t green enough technology to save the world, would you like some more cheese with your whine? All i care about is 1-what’s it going to cost?, 2-what’s the cost to operate it?, and 3-it’s going to have A/C if it’s going to sell in Southwest Florida.

Don Webster

Let me know when I sale in NY.

Don Webster

Let me know when I sale in NY.

David Smith

I need this now. I drive 56 miles to work oneway. 2 dollars of electricity to fill at home with it’s own onboard aircompressor.

David Smith

I need this now. I drive 56 miles to work oneway. 2 dollars of electricity to fill at home with it’s own onboard aircompressor.

Aurora

I like how we are working on finding new ways to economize our system and finding gas and cleaner air solutions, but we are forgetting about weight differences on the road. This would leave such a weight discrepancy on the highway that it’s just too risky and ridiculous. Vehicles like this are great if only we had our very own lanes for them. I don’t see much topic on this issue because I don’t think makers want to engage their names first. I feel that we will increase the amount of road fatalities in our near future and after, they just might be selling these new golf cars with helmets for transportation safety. Another, who is really placing their efforts on these blueprints? These designs need to be worked on, simple chassis can still support some body-flair. These cars are simple and therefore should not take up much at sticker price. I see so much abuse now on simple cars with high ticket prices. Aurora

Aurora

I like how we are working on finding new ways to economize our system and finding gas and cleaner air solutions, but we are forgetting about weight differences on the road. This would leave such a weight discrepancy on the highway that it’s just too risky and ridiculous. Vehicles like this are great if only we had our very own lanes for them. I don’t see much topic on this issue because I don’t think makers want to engage their names first. I feel that we will increase the amount of road fatalities in our near future and after, they just might be selling these new golf cars with helmets for transportation safety. Another, who is really placing their efforts on these blueprints? These designs need to be worked on, simple chassis can still support some body-flair. These cars are simple and therefore should not take up much at sticker price. I see so much abuse now on simple cars with high ticket prices. Aurora

http://cnn Jeff

I have to drive 80 miles each way to work. I will take the first car available. What I pay for gas should pay for the car

spuffler

THIS car owner wants 50+ mpg 2 seater with 400 mile range for less than $5000. Don’t just make what YOU want…

spuffler

THIS car owner wants 50+ mpg 2 seater with 400 mile range for less than $5000. Don’t just make what YOU want…

Beth

It does take energy to compress gas…electrical energy?

But think guys…you would now have a choice of how best to produce the electrical energy. Hydrogen for instance in a centrally located plant instead of in every vehicle(that would be the can of death). How about alternatives such a wind power providing electricity for the air powered car? Seems poetic almost..

Anyway, Just any other alternative power supply would do, hydroelectric, solar,wind, geothermal(it is happening folks)! All you would really need is an infrastructure that produces good plentiful electricity from many sources, in their prime spots as they are available around the nation and we all know the nation needs to upgrade that anyway, especially for redundancy!

Another thought…how about natural gas as the fuel source to recharge your own gas tank. A compressed gas for a compressed gas…

Now we are having fun! The sky is the limit folks! And sometimes it takes tough times to make us explore and get us out of our comfort zone!

To the person that wants style? I like the style as long as we aren’t sending all of our funds somewhere else anymore…What cost is vanity?

Beth

It does take energy to compress gas…electrical energy?

But think guys…you would now have a choice of how best to produce the electrical energy. Hydrogen for instance in a centrally located plant instead of in every vehicle(that would be the can of death). How about alternatives such a wind power providing electricity for the air powered car? Seems poetic almost..

Anyway, Just any other alternative power supply would do, hydroelectric, solar,wind, geothermal(it is happening folks)! All you would really need is an infrastructure that produces good plentiful electricity from many sources, in their prime spots as they are available around the nation and we all know the nation needs to upgrade that anyway, especially for redundancy!

Another thought…how about natural gas as the fuel source to recharge your own gas tank. A compressed gas for a compressed gas…

Now we are having fun! The sky is the limit folks! And sometimes it takes tough times to make us explore and get us out of our comfort zone!

To the person that wants style? I like the style as long as we aren’t sending all of our funds somewhere else anymore…What cost is vanity?

change depends on pain

This is one of the most efficient and ready to realize-ideas far beside the lithium ion accu. Some people claim that compressed air doesn´t compress itself and needs new energy for it. What a ridiculous argument. This car can´t solve all energy problems we have and it is just ridicolous to say that you just have to compare it with the energy need of that stone age internal combustion suckers on our streets.

We are on our way for alternative energy and reality in the economy also has to be respected but this car is the right middle of economy and ecology. You can´t avoid painful changes in the industry, new jobs and old no more needed jobs.

The last and hardest limit will be the minds out there.

change depends on pain

This is one of the most efficient and ready to realize-ideas far beside the lithium ion accu. Some people claim that compressed air doesn´t compress itself and needs new energy for it. What a ridiculous argument. This car can´t solve all energy problems we have and it is just ridicolous to say that you just have to compare it with the energy need of that stone age internal combustion suckers on our streets.

We are on our way for alternative energy and reality in the economy also has to be respected but this car is the right middle of economy and ecology. You can´t avoid painful changes in the industry, new jobs and old no more needed jobs.

The last and hardest limit will be the minds out there.

Nathan

Nobody here is overlooking the biggest issue here. Yeah you may get 106MPG but does it come with self esteem? The poor sap driving that will never be getting laid.

Nathan

Nobody here is overlooking the biggest issue here. Yeah you may get 106MPG but does it come with self esteem? The poor sap driving that will never be getting laid.

Kevan

Where does the energy come from that is used to pressurize the air? The law of thermodynamics frowns upon this car.

Kevan

Where does the energy come from that is used to pressurize the air? The law of thermodynamics frowns upon this car.

eray

What a load of crap. no service station anywhere has compressors that produce more than 175psi. performance would be on the level of a heavy bike.

you green weenies will believe anything.

Give me a big v12, 500hp car any day.

eray

What a load of crap. no service station anywhere has compressors that produce more than 175psi. performance would be on the level of a heavy bike.

you green weenies will believe anything.

Give me a big v12, 500hp car any day.

william howe

Keep us posted,im sure with proper funding it will work out.

william howe

Keep us posted,im sure with proper funding it will work out.

http://www.harborhaus.net frank van kamp

It’s a wonderful concept,I want one!! What’s not to like?!

http://www.harborhaus.net frank van kamp

It’s a wonderful concept,I want one!! What’s not to like?!

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

This is fantastic!!!!! I always thought that solar was the answer for 20 years, but you have converted me, sign me up to buy one! I would like to see if possible a perpetual car that has a compressor built into the car so you don’t need to stop and fill up either at the station or at home………. well gentleman, how about it, lets put one in and drive, drive, drive. I would like to get some feed back if possible as soon as possible……. man I’m excited !!!!

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

This is fantastic!!!!! I always thought that solar was the answer for 20 years, but you have converted me, sign me up to buy one! I would like to see if possible a perpetual car that has a compressor built into the car so you don’t need to stop and fill up either at the station or at home………. well gentleman, how about it, lets put one in and drive, drive, drive. I would like to get some feed back if possible as soon as possible……. man I’m excited !!!!

http://stitchshoppe.com mike

I did a little research on compressors, It would require a 10hp compressor with a 40 or 50 AMP circut to compress air to 4500 psi. They weigh about 500 pounds and cost around $10,000.

I don’t understand the small onboard that fills the tank in 4 hours from a household socket? Why don’t they elaborate on that a little more, or at least show it in the motor diagram?

I have a small 2hp compressor in my shop. The red line on the pressure gauge is 180 psi, and it will pop the circut if plugged into a 15 amp circut. It requires a dedicated 20 amps.

Something is not making sense here. If there is some new technoligy out there regarding compressors I’d like to see a link, so I can learn about it.

From here I don’t see the difference between having to buy a $10,000 compressor, or $10,000 for the batteries to power an true EV. $10,000 would buy you 2500 gallons of gasoline at $4 a gallon. 2500 gallons of gasoline would allow you to travel 75,000 miles if you bought the 30 mpg fleet standard US car. If you bought something like a Yaris or Aveo which is a $10,000 car rated @ 40 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for for the $10,000.

The further advantage of a 40 mpg gasoline car is that one is available today, so you could start reducing our dependance on foriegn immediatly for a $10,000 dollar investment. You can come up with the other $10,000 in interst free installments every time you need a fill up.

With this air car you put out $15,000 up front, and still have to buy 943 gallons of gas to go 100,000 miles (106 mpg X 943 = 99,958 miles.) 943 gallons of gas at $4 per gallon costs $3772.

So far you are about $1200 ahead, unless you include the interest on the additional $5000 borrowed to buy the car. This additional $5000 “could” be earning you interst in the bank. Or if you don’t have $5000 liquid, it would get your 40 mpg Aveo 50,000 miles on the “pay as you need gas plan.”

But you still need electricity to compress the air.

My little 2 hp 180psi 20amp “dims” the lights when the motor kicks in and while it is running it turns my electric meter into a slot machine ringing jackpot for the electric company. Can you imagine if I had to run a 40 or 50 amp 4500 psi for 4 hours to fill the air tank. If we “all” bought air cars we would need a power plant on every block.

I’ts interesting but I am skeptical as to why they are not providing more details on the compressed air and “on board compressor”. It almost seems like they are phishing for venture capital while ommitting an inconvienent truth.

http://stitchshoppe.com mike

I did a little research on compressors, It would require a 10hp compressor with a 40 or 50 AMP circut to compress air to 4500 psi. They weigh about 500 pounds and cost around $10,000.

I don’t understand the small onboard that fills the tank in 4 hours from a household socket? Why don’t they elaborate on that a little more, or at least show it in the motor diagram?

I have a small 2hp compressor in my shop. The red line on the pressure gauge is 180 psi, and it will pop the circut if plugged into a 15 amp circut. It requires a dedicated 20 amps.

Something is not making sense here. If there is some new technoligy out there regarding compressors I’d like to see a link, so I can learn about it.

From here I don’t see the difference between having to buy a $10,000 compressor, or $10,000 for the batteries to power an true EV. $10,000 would buy you 2500 gallons of gasoline at $4 a gallon. 2500 gallons of gasoline would allow you to travel 75,000 miles if you bought the 30 mpg fleet standard US car. If you bought something like a Yaris or Aveo which is a $10,000 car rated @ 40 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for for the $10,000.

The further advantage of a 40 mpg gasoline car is that one is available today, so you could start reducing our dependance on foriegn immediatly for a $10,000 dollar investment. You can come up with the other $10,000 in interst free installments every time you need a fill up.

With this air car you put out $15,000 up front, and still have to buy 943 gallons of gas to go 100,000 miles (106 mpg X 943 = 99,958 miles.) 943 gallons of gas at $4 per gallon costs $3772.

So far you are about $1200 ahead, unless you include the interest on the additional $5000 borrowed to buy the car. This additional $5000 “could” be earning you interst in the bank. Or if you don’t have $5000 liquid, it would get your 40 mpg Aveo 50,000 miles on the “pay as you need gas plan.”

But you still need electricity to compress the air.

My little 2 hp 180psi 20amp “dims” the lights when the motor kicks in and while it is running it turns my electric meter into a slot machine ringing jackpot for the electric company. Can you imagine if I had to run a 40 or 50 amp 4500 psi for 4 hours to fill the air tank. If we “all” bought air cars we would need a power plant on every block.

I’ts interesting but I am skeptical as to why they are not providing more details on the compressed air and “on board compressor”. It almost seems like they are phishing for venture capital while ommitting an inconvienent truth.

gary wilson

Does the air compressor also function in braking ? Does it use regenerative braking to recharge the compressed air tank?

gary wilson

Does the air compressor also function in braking ? Does it use regenerative braking to recharge the compressed air tank?

http://stitchshoppe.com mike

Sorry, I need to correct my response, as it seems an Aveo or Yaris only gets around 32mpg. I am hoping someone responds that understands air compression and the elecric energy required to compress the air, so I can really determine if you are ahead with this car.

“@ 40 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for $10,000″ needs to be corrected to @ 32 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for $12,500. Both equations are based on spending $4 a gallon for gas.

Also the base price on these 2 cars is closer to $12,500. So the question really comes down to are you going to spend $5000 to compress 118 tanks of air to go 100,000 miles.

If what MDI is saying is true ” you can fill the air tank for $2 worth of electricity, that would mean you only spend $236 on electricity.

I can’t find any technical data on their onboard compresser anywere and this leaves me very skeptical.

http://stitchshoppe.com mike

Sorry, I need to correct my response, as it seems an Aveo or Yaris only gets around 32mpg. I am hoping someone responds that understands air compression and the elecric energy required to compress the air, so I can really determine if you are ahead with this car.

“@ 40 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for $10,000″ needs to be corrected to @ 32 mpg you could get 100,000 miles for $12,500. Both equations are based on spending $4 a gallon for gas.

Also the base price on these 2 cars is closer to $12,500. So the question really comes down to are you going to spend $5000 to compress 118 tanks of air to go 100,000 miles.

If what MDI is saying is true ” you can fill the air tank for $2 worth of electricity, that would mean you only spend $236 on electricity.

I can’t find any technical data on their onboard compresser anywere and this leaves me very skeptical.

http://www.stitchshoppe.com Mike

I did more research on air compressors and discovered that 4500 psi is used in scuba tanks. Scuba tanks have been around quite a while with a proven saftey record. I could’nt find any record of one exploding in a car related crash while being transported.

A compressor to fill the tanks costs about $3,000 (a years worth of gas for the average driver) I mentioned this as the “on board” is something I would need to see to believe.

I’m sceptical of the company MDI, as you would think they would have mentioned the “scuba tank” to address any saftey concerns in their promo.

To those that say its ugly, I don’t see an actual prototype but see an artists concept rendering, and am sure they are listening to feedback in so far as body styling goes.

This technoligy coming out of France, makes sense since they use Nuclear power to compress the air. In the US coal with CO2 capture could work, using the CO2 to feed algea to create ethanol to power the motor.

France has a great saftey record with Nuclear, and if the US were to build nuclear plants, we would hire them to build the facility.

http://www.stitchshoppe.com Mike

I did more research on air compressors and discovered that 4500 psi is used in scuba tanks. Scuba tanks have been around quite a while with a proven saftey record. I could’nt find any record of one exploding in a car related crash while being transported.

A compressor to fill the tanks costs about $3,000 (a years worth of gas for the average driver) I mentioned this as the “on board” is something I would need to see to believe.

I’m sceptical of the company MDI, as you would think they would have mentioned the “scuba tank” to address any saftey concerns in their promo.

To those that say its ugly, I don’t see an actual prototype but see an artists concept rendering, and am sure they are listening to feedback in so far as body styling goes.

This technoligy coming out of France, makes sense since they use Nuclear power to compress the air. In the US coal with CO2 capture could work, using the CO2 to feed algea to create ethanol to power the motor.

France has a great saftey record with Nuclear, and if the US were to build nuclear plants, we would hire them to build the facility.

http://www.techienation.com DigitalMind

I love this. It’s a great thing, and I would buy one if they were available.

@Johnsonjohsn : Not all electricity is “dirty”. My sister lives off-grid and all of her house is powered with solar. She could easily upgrade to be able to “fill up” her car once a day too.

I live in Quebec, and all our electricity is hydro powered. Other than the flooding of the area when a damn is initially build (which is obviously a downside) this is very clean power. Read more at techienation.com if anyone’s interested.

http://www.techienation.com DigitalMind

I love this. It’s a great thing, and I would buy one if they were available.

@Johnsonjohsn : Not all electricity is “dirty”. My sister lives off-grid and all of her house is powered with solar. She could easily upgrade to be able to “fill up” her car once a day too.

I live in Quebec, and all our electricity is hydro powered. Other than the flooding of the area when a damn is initially build (which is obviously a downside) this is very clean power. Read more at techienation.com if anyone’s interested.

http://www.air4zero.com Dina Eden

Why buy a new car from TATA motors or MDI, when you can convert your existing car to run on air like the A4Z Conversion Kit!

Air4Zero is offering to convert your car to run on air just by replacing a few elements, and you can drive your car with zero cost and zero pollution!

How about that?

http://www.air4zero.com Dina Eden

Why buy a new car from TATA motors or MDI, when you can convert your existing car to run on air like the A4Z Conversion Kit!

Air4Zero is offering to convert your car to run on air just by replacing a few elements, and you can drive your car with zero cost and zero pollution!

How about that?

http://www.kendwebber.com Ken D. Webber

People complaining about problems getting compressed air or pollution are thinking inside the box. First you need solar cells that lead to an array of batteries. Those power the air compressor. That’s free energy. OIL IS DEAD!

http://www.kendwebber.com Ken D. Webber

People complaining about problems getting compressed air or pollution are thinking inside the box. First you need solar cells that lead to an array of batteries. Those power the air compressor. That’s free energy. OIL IS DEAD!

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

One question, I read about having air conditioning, but what about in the winter, I don’t mine the heat, its the cold, and how does that effect the compressed air; and, on air compressors you have a relief valve under the tank to let the water that builds up out. More info as to the creature comforts are needed before investment is secured

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

One question, I read about having air conditioning, but what about in the winter, I don’t mine the heat, its the cold, and how does that effect the compressed air; and, on air compressors you have a relief valve under the tank to let the water that builds up out. More info as to the creature comforts are needed before investment is secured

William C. Downey

I am interested in getting an air car exhibit at the Palo Alto Concours d’Elegance in June, 2009 as part of a green car exhibit at that event. Can you furnish contact information for ZPM or MDI so we may get in touch with these companies.

PALO ALTO CONCOURS D’ELEGANCE

William C. Downey

Vendor and Exhibitor Chairman

William C. Downey

I am interested in getting an air car exhibit at the Palo Alto Concours d’Elegance in June, 2009 as part of a green car exhibit at that event. Can you furnish contact information for ZPM or MDI so we may get in touch with these companies.

I belive that this technologies have future global heating minimize. Tanks

ed kunkel

Also need Volvo S80 type crash stats, as long as we have semi trailers on the road. Lighter: Will require Jaguar alum. build, etc. Safety, when being hit by an 80,000 pound cement truck is the first requisite, then high mpg. I have been hit by big trucks several times. With our roads and these trucks in disrepair, we need the strength of a 4000 lb vehicle, right?

ed kunkel

Also need Volvo S80 type crash stats, as long as we have semi trailers on the road. Lighter: Will require Jaguar alum. build, etc. Safety, when being hit by an 80,000 pound cement truck is the first requisite, then high mpg. I have been hit by big trucks several times. With our roads and these trucks in disrepair, we need the strength of a 4000 lb vehicle, right?

overunity

The coolest thing about this car is that it could be the first 6 passenger eco friendly car in production. Good family vehicle.

overunity

The coolest thing about this car is that it could be the first 6 passenger eco friendly car in production. Good family vehicle.

premo secundo

I have been following the development of the ‘aircar’ for a while, but despite some optimistic announcements of launching the car, which has been continually postponed for no reason, I am beginning to doubt that it will hit the market soon. Very disappointing! If the technology is really that revolutionary, why is the car not available yet?

premo secundo

I have been following the development of the ‘aircar’ for a while, but despite some optimistic announcements of launching the car, which has been continually postponed for no reason, I am beginning to doubt that it will hit the market soon. Very disappointing! If the technology is really that revolutionary, why is the car not available yet?

lupine-stein

Exhaust smells like curry, otherwise it’s great.

lupine-stein

Exhaust smells like curry, otherwise it’s great.

http://peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html peter KG6LSE

I am allreddy used to SCUBA tanks so the HP air does not bother me .. besides all of those “clean air ” busses

use 4-6KPSI tanks of CNG.. and i have NEVER heard of one failing yet..

http://peterthethinker.com/tesla/Venom/Venom.html peter KG6LSE

I am allreddy used to SCUBA tanks so the HP air does not bother me .. besides all of those “clean air ” busses

use 4-6KPSI tanks of CNG.. and i have NEVER heard of one failing yet..

Wolonggong

Kevin get real.

Cars today do not look like cars of the 60s which didnt look like cars of the 30s…its called evolution. Its because of small minded thinking like yours that things are the way they are today.

Wolonggong

Kevin get real.

Cars today do not look like cars of the 60s which didnt look like cars of the 30s…its called evolution. Its because of small minded thinking like yours that things are the way they are today.

jd johnston

fantastic! the only energy necessary is for compressor Don’t let this idea die. Don’t let the oil giants get their hands on it.

jd johnston

fantastic! the only energy necessary is for compressor Don’t let this idea die. Don’t let the oil giants get their hands on it.

Brian

Here is an idea. How about the car have an on board compressor. It will be powered by an electric motor. When ever the tank is below optimum efficiency, the compressor kicks in. Lets make this even better by slapping Kinetic Breaks (breaks that reabsorb energy when you use them) and a solar panel on the roof to the car is energy independent. For those skeptics who don’t believe in solar we will include a point where power can be feed to juice up the batteries. That is what I would call the Car that Never Needs to Fill Up!

Brian

Here is an idea. How about the car have an on board compressor. It will be powered by an electric motor. When ever the tank is below optimum efficiency, the compressor kicks in. Lets make this even better by slapping Kinetic Breaks (breaks that reabsorb energy when you use them) and a solar panel on the roof to the car is energy independent. For those skeptics who don’t believe in solar we will include a point where power can be feed to juice up the batteries. That is what I would call the Car that Never Needs to Fill Up!

bill

And when Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Osama is elected president, he’ll figure out how to keep us from running out of french fries and Burrito Coverins.

bill

And when Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Osama is elected president, he’ll figure out how to keep us from running out of french fries and Burrito Coverins.

http://www.fark.com user

Turbine engines are more efficient, make less noise, require less maintenance, and can perform at higher RPMs

http://www.fark.com user

Turbine engines are more efficient, make less noise, require less maintenance, and can perform at higher RPMs

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

Hey does anyone answer these questions, that we put here?? or is it just some place to rattle on??? I had a question on Aug. 27, about the heat to be needed in the winter, hello…….hello…… anyone out there with and answer???????

http://Hotmail.com R.S. Stevens

Hey does anyone answer these questions, that we put here?? or is it just some place to rattle on??? I had a question on Aug. 27, about the heat to be needed in the winter, hello…….hello…… anyone out there with and answer???????

Chris Min

I understand the concern reflected in the post about the energy required to compress air, and the fact that it does not happen by itself. One thing to keep in mind though, if the energy to power the vehicles is all coming off the electric grid, then we are simply a single solution away (a more eficient way to produce electricity at the central grid level) from having completely clean vehicles. More wind, nuclear and one day solar production at the power plant level would ultimately power the vehicles. It geographically reduces the problem we have to solve.

Chris Min

I understand the concern reflected in the post about the energy required to compress air, and the fact that it does not happen by itself. One thing to keep in mind though, if the energy to power the vehicles is all coming off the electric grid, then we are simply a single solution away (a more eficient way to produce electricity at the central grid level) from having completely clean vehicles. More wind, nuclear and one day solar production at the power plant level would ultimately power the vehicles. It geographically reduces the problem we have to solve.

BotchedExperiment

I’m tired of all the promises and hype of next generation alternative energy vehicles. For once, I’d actually like to see some of them available to purchase.

BotchedExperiment

I’m tired of all the promises and hype of next generation alternative energy vehicles. For once, I’d actually like to see some of them available to purchase.

Reyno Mombeg

I agree,very inovative idea.But old Henry ford put his ideas into action.When will these super inovative engineers sell us the cars,or are they thinking that the marked does not exist?If reasonaly priced i would certainly be interested to buy one ant try it out.

Reyno Mombeg

I agree,very inovative idea.But old Henry ford put his ideas into action.When will these super inovative engineers sell us the cars,or are they thinking that the marked does not exist?If reasonaly priced i would certainly be interested to buy one ant try it out.

zedtransf0rm

My question and comment? Running on compressed air, at 60km/h (35mph), there is no source of heat. How does one stop the car fogging up in cold climates? Is this a summer only car?

zedtransf0rm

My question and comment? Running on compressed air, at 60km/h (35mph), there is no source of heat. How does one stop the car fogging up in cold climates? Is this a summer only car?

H2OMAN

What about AC?

H2OMAN

What about AC?

Charlie

What’s amazing is that every year a story like this gets published. Every other year or so MDI makes a grand splash in the press about the latest and greatest car that will be in production in the next year or two. Google “e.Volution” to find some of the previous announcements and failures. For example, here is the Oct 2000 BBC article about the MDI aircar that was to go into production in South Africa in early 2002. Never happened.

There was a lot of press about MDI signing a contract to deliver 40,000 air powered taxis to Mexico. Never got delivered. I don’t think that they even go a single prototype delivered.

Air cars are feasible. H.K. Porter used to build locomotives for mines that operated on air. The problem is that compressing air is inefficient because of the heat generated by the compression. Only about 40% efficiency from electric input to power to wheels — limited by thermodynamics. Real life systems are less efficient. Real life electric vehicles are 80+% efficient from the grid power to the car wheels (and can be nearly 100% efficient theoretically).

The energy density of compressed air is about the same as lead-acid batteries (i.e. weight and volume needed for storage power). So while air cars are feasible, they aren’t the magic solution that some believe.

Charlie

What’s amazing is that every year a story like this gets published. Every other year or so MDI makes a grand splash in the press about the latest and greatest car that will be in production in the next year or two. Google “e.Volution” to find some of the previous announcements and failures. For example, here is the Oct 2000 BBC article about the MDI aircar that was to go into production in South Africa in early 2002. Never happened.

There was a lot of press about MDI signing a contract to deliver 40,000 air powered taxis to Mexico. Never got delivered. I don’t think that they even go a single prototype delivered.

Air cars are feasible. H.K. Porter used to build locomotives for mines that operated on air. The problem is that compressing air is inefficient because of the heat generated by the compression. Only about 40% efficiency from electric input to power to wheels — limited by thermodynamics. Real life systems are less efficient. Real life electric vehicles are 80+% efficient from the grid power to the car wheels (and can be nearly 100% efficient theoretically).

The energy density of compressed air is about the same as lead-acid batteries (i.e. weight and volume needed for storage power). So while air cars are feasible, they aren’t the magic solution that some believe.

Carl W

I’m interested in alternative fuel vehicles, primarily electric cars, but a compressed air vehicle also sounds good. With internal combustion engines we have high maintenance costs because oil changes, expensive timing belt changes, recent high oil and gas prices and so on.

Electric cars run quieter with no pollution and much less maintenance. The costs of them will come down as they are accepted by the public. Phoenix and Aptera are lower cost vehicles than the Tesla and I’m looking to see them soon in dealerships.

I think some who comment here are sold only on the gasoline powered vehicles and that’s OK, but they aren’t open to new ideas such as compressed air. I’m willing to look at one and drive it in hopes it could meet my needs.

Remember there were some who thought the plane impractical and it wouldn’t fly.

Carl W

I’m interested in alternative fuel vehicles, primarily electric cars, but a compressed air vehicle also sounds good. With internal combustion engines we have high maintenance costs because oil changes, expensive timing belt changes, recent high oil and gas prices and so on.

Electric cars run quieter with no pollution and much less maintenance. The costs of them will come down as they are accepted by the public. Phoenix and Aptera are lower cost vehicles than the Tesla and I’m looking to see them soon in dealerships.

I think some who comment here are sold only on the gasoline powered vehicles and that’s OK, but they aren’t open to new ideas such as compressed air. I’m willing to look at one and drive it in hopes it could meet my needs.

Remember there were some who thought the plane impractical and it wouldn’t fly.

Patrick Kelley

Will a compressed air car work in the sub-artic climate of Wisconsin and Minnesota?

Will there be any special parts required in these harsh cold climates?

When will we see them in the Midwest?

Patrick Kelley

Will a compressed air car work in the sub-artic climate of Wisconsin and Minnesota?

Will there be any special parts required in these harsh cold climates?

When will we see them in the Midwest?

Tom

The prolitariate need this more than a Millionaire. They can afford the gas for a F4, or other exotics. Make electric cars or air powered cars that look like a car not a econo box sitting so errect that your waiting for dinner. The q-tips of Florida will be driving Buicks’ not something that will be caught between the Buicks being made into an accordian.

Tom

The prolitariate need this more than a Millionaire. They can afford the gas for a F4, or other exotics. Make electric cars or air powered cars that look like a car not a econo box sitting so errect that your waiting for dinner. The q-tips of Florida will be driving Buicks’ not something that will be caught between the Buicks being made into an accordian.

2 although electric cars seem green (they pretty much are), there batteries are a problem the lead acid and more commonly used lithium ion batteries are very bad for the enviorment in terms of being recylcable.

the electric vehicle is however more efficient than the current air car. the air car though has no batteries and can be constructed out of completely harmless materials.

2 although electric cars seem green (they pretty much are), there batteries are a problem the lead acid and more commonly used lithium ion batteries are very bad for the enviorment in terms of being recylcable.

the electric vehicle is however more efficient than the current air car. the air car though has no batteries and can be constructed out of completely harmless materials.

ChuckL

I have never seen a service station that had compressed air available at over 250 psig for their own equipment, much less to untrained customers.

How do you refill a 4500 psig air cylinder with an air supply that is only 5.5% of the requirement?

ChuckL

I have never seen a service station that had compressed air available at over 250 psig for their own equipment, much less to untrained customers.

How do you refill a 4500 psig air cylinder with an air supply that is only 5.5% of the requirement?

Dennis Wood

Why not put compressors inplace of the shock absorbers you could put duel compressors at each wheel and take advantage of our shitty roads.

Dennis Wood

Why not put compressors inplace of the shock absorbers you could put duel compressors at each wheel and take advantage of our shitty roads.

Charlie

Matt (Dec 21, 08): “the air car is the cleanest car to date.”

Yes indeed, it is very environmentally friendly as it doesn’t exist.

Since 2000 MDI has been running around a handful of partially functional prototypes with very limited range, using these prototypes to take in more franchise and license money while alway claiming production in another 12-24 months. That was true for the e.Volution car by MDI and Zero Pollution MOtors in South Africa in 2000/2902. That was true for the MDI Eolo car in Italy, where the franchisee even hired employees and built a factory, but could not get parts to build even one car. Again in 2004/2005.

The MDI business plan does not include them doing mass production. Their business plan is to make money from licenses and sales of franchises. For this, good press coverage is important, but if we all have a poor memory, then actually delivering production vehicles isn’t all that important.

So far we have had collective amnesia and journalists continue to accept without question the performance claims of MDI, although the only published test results showed the car running out of air after 7.22km.

WHERE ARE THE WORKING PROTOTYPES?

(Not things that go putt putt around a parking lot, but cars that can actually be road tested by a magazine).

Charlie

Matt (Dec 21, 08): “the air car is the cleanest car to date.”

Yes indeed, it is very environmentally friendly as it doesn’t exist.

Since 2000 MDI has been running around a handful of partially functional prototypes with very limited range, using these prototypes to take in more franchise and license money while alway claiming production in another 12-24 months. That was true for the e.Volution car by MDI and Zero Pollution MOtors in South Africa in 2000/2902. That was true for the MDI Eolo car in Italy, where the franchisee even hired employees and built a factory, but could not get parts to build even one car. Again in 2004/2005.

The MDI business plan does not include them doing mass production. Their business plan is to make money from licenses and sales of franchises. For this, good press coverage is important, but if we all have a poor memory, then actually delivering production vehicles isn’t all that important.

So far we have had collective amnesia and journalists continue to accept without question the performance claims of MDI, although the only published test results showed the car running out of air after 7.22km.

WHERE ARE THE WORKING PROTOTYPES?

(Not things that go putt putt around a parking lot, but cars that can actually be road tested by a magazine).

Squashoil

There is so much potential with this new paradigm of “personal transport” technology vs. “encase family in steel on wheels” sort of “old-timey” way of building things. The advent of carrying around an extremely versatile source of potential energy that has an extremely versatile method of collection will indeed be a very logical step in transportation evolution. Not only can compressed air be used to propel the vehicle, think of all the cool hi-power accessories you could tap from the tank as well!

I can see towing one of these behind an RV and have air compressors operating from the draft over the trailer and collect energy to help keep the car running behind “dragless” or even giving a little “nudge” up those longer hills.

Air bags inside the vehicle would protect passengers, as long as the frame doesn’t crumple. Air bags on the OUTSIDE of the vehicles and everybody plays fun bumpercars down highways and laughs at the old “fender bender” cave man days

This has got so much more future in store than even considering staying with the old “time to junk after 20 years” way of thinking.

Be Fun! Have good!

Brian

Squashoil

There is so much potential with this new paradigm of “personal transport” technology vs. “encase family in steel on wheels” sort of “old-timey” way of building things. The advent of carrying around an extremely versatile source of potential energy that has an extremely versatile method of collection will indeed be a very logical step in transportation evolution. Not only can compressed air be used to propel the vehicle, think of all the cool hi-power accessories you could tap from the tank as well!

I can see towing one of these behind an RV and have air compressors operating from the draft over the trailer and collect energy to help keep the car running behind “dragless” or even giving a little “nudge” up those longer hills.

Air bags inside the vehicle would protect passengers, as long as the frame doesn’t crumple. Air bags on the OUTSIDE of the vehicles and everybody plays fun bumpercars down highways and laughs at the old “fender bender” cave man days

This has got so much more future in store than even considering staying with the old “time to junk after 20 years” way of thinking.

Be Fun! Have good!

Brian

William Rosales

I think this is a great idea. Anything to get us away from using oil.

William Rosales

I think this is a great idea. Anything to get us away from using oil.

http://gas2.org Travis

Why does this car use compressed air that you have to pay for, when you could just have an engine that collects the air while you are driving, and powers the car?

http://gas2.org Travis

Why does this car use compressed air that you have to pay for, when you could just have an engine that collects the air while you are driving, and powers the car?

Squashoil

The friction of the air collection process exceeds the air power needed to propel the vehicle. However, a small amount could be recouped in the braking process, but considering the air pressure needed in the tank, it would be a considerable feat to somehow add pressure to the holding tank to be used by the engine.

Alternatively, however, a secondary tank could be used for collection at service stations in exchange for a bit of the air pressure… I’m currently working on some prototypes that use pre-compression stages to convert wind, moving water and solar energy to compressed air that can the drive an electric generator. Hopefully, some of these concepts can be adapted to fuel our vehicles by parking next to a stream, a windy field, or just out in direct sunlight!

Ultimately, these recharging systems will be built-in to the vehicles, but for now, I’m working on getting separate modules functioning, particularly for remote, off-grid locations. I’ll be sure to keep folks updated on my progress, and when I get it working, I’m giving the design away to everyone for free because it’s so simple, anybody could build it, and there’s a million different ways to accomplish the same tasks

The Mayans predicted that the next stage of human evolution is going to a society where power is free and abundant for all. The power of knowledge has already begun to spread for free thanks to technology, the power of “horses” will soon be at everyone’s fingertips and the only limitation will be our imaginations

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

Squashoil

The friction of the air collection process exceeds the air power needed to propel the vehicle. However, a small amount could be recouped in the braking process, but considering the air pressure needed in the tank, it would be a considerable feat to somehow add pressure to the holding tank to be used by the engine.

Alternatively, however, a secondary tank could be used for collection at service stations in exchange for a bit of the air pressure… I’m currently working on some prototypes that use pre-compression stages to convert wind, moving water and solar energy to compressed air that can the drive an electric generator. Hopefully, some of these concepts can be adapted to fuel our vehicles by parking next to a stream, a windy field, or just out in direct sunlight!

Ultimately, these recharging systems will be built-in to the vehicles, but for now, I’m working on getting separate modules functioning, particularly for remote, off-grid locations. I’ll be sure to keep folks updated on my progress, and when I get it working, I’m giving the design away to everyone for free because it’s so simple, anybody could build it, and there’s a million different ways to accomplish the same tasks

The Mayans predicted that the next stage of human evolution is going to a society where power is free and abundant for all. The power of knowledge has already begun to spread for free thanks to technology, the power of “horses” will soon be at everyone’s fingertips and the only limitation will be our imaginations

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

Cammron Mcbride

I am 13 and have been working on an air car for a couple months. I was wondering if you could give me some tips and pointers on how to bring my car to life?

Cammron Mcbride

I am 13 and have been working on an air car for a couple months. I was wondering if you could give me some tips and pointers on how to bring my car to life?

Squashoil

Cammron, I admire your spirit! And while it sounds like fun to build one’s own vehicle, always keep one crucial piece of the design as sacred… how to stop! =)

The trouble with building our own is the limited capacity and excess weight of the air tanks that we commonly use for compressed air. These tanks typically max out at 200 psi (pressure unit for Pounds per Square Inch). Most obvious engine sources to try for your car (air ratchets and other shop tools) typically require like 100 psi, but are typically used in short bursts and are attached to compressor which runs on electric or other fuel source.

Without the compressor, the “load” of the tool slowly (or quickly) causes the pressure to decrease in the tank depending on say, how tight or rusty a nut or bolt is, and also how big the air tank is initially… the larger the tank, or course, the longer tool use.

There is a new wave on the horizon for compressed air motors though, I recently saw a video for an extremely efficient, long-lasting, and powerful rotary air motors being manufactured by an Australian company… if you are serious, here is the website:

Cammron, I admire your spirit! And while it sounds like fun to build one’s own vehicle, always keep one crucial piece of the design as sacred… how to stop! =)

The trouble with building our own is the limited capacity and excess weight of the air tanks that we commonly use for compressed air. These tanks typically max out at 200 psi (pressure unit for Pounds per Square Inch). Most obvious engine sources to try for your car (air ratchets and other shop tools) typically require like 100 psi, but are typically used in short bursts and are attached to compressor which runs on electric or other fuel source.

Without the compressor, the “load” of the tool slowly (or quickly) causes the pressure to decrease in the tank depending on say, how tight or rusty a nut or bolt is, and also how big the air tank is initially… the larger the tank, or course, the longer tool use.

There is a new wave on the horizon for compressed air motors though, I recently saw a video for an extremely efficient, long-lasting, and powerful rotary air motors being manufactured by an Australian company… if you are serious, here is the website:

Squashoil, the engineair.com air motor that you pointed out does indeed appear to be better than the MDI air engine. Unlike MDI, engineair hasn’t made promise after promise that it can’t keep, so I have a lot more faith in their claims.

The core problem, however, is the limited amount of energy stored in compressed air. 3200 cubic feet of air stored at 4500psi has less energy content than 1/2 gallon of gasoline (For metric readers, 300 liter 300 bar tank has the energy content of 1.5 liters of gasoline).

The low amount of energy available means that to have a reasonable range, that an air car must use much, much less energy than today’s cars. Of course, if gasoline powered cars used much less energy, then they would have 100 or 200mpg performance.

Charlie

Squashoil, the engineair.com air motor that you pointed out does indeed appear to be better than the MDI air engine. Unlike MDI, engineair hasn’t made promise after promise that it can’t keep, so I have a lot more faith in their claims.

The core problem, however, is the limited amount of energy stored in compressed air. 3200 cubic feet of air stored at 4500psi has less energy content than 1/2 gallon of gasoline (For metric readers, 300 liter 300 bar tank has the energy content of 1.5 liters of gasoline).

The low amount of energy available means that to have a reasonable range, that an air car must use much, much less energy than today’s cars. Of course, if gasoline powered cars used much less energy, then they would have 100 or 200mpg performance.

Squashoil

If I’m not mistaken, it’s the “comforts” that we have become accustomed to while driving the cars that use up the energy, and obviously, air power won’t efficiently heat and air-condition, and night time illuminate without battery storage of some sort.

The charging could be hybrid alternator/solar. I’m not completely up on the science behind air-conditioning, but a system seems likely to be easily converted to work with compressed air, however adding heat is much less efficient that removing it (if memory serves). There are some storage capacity hurdles to overcome, but it’s not hard to envision smaller tanks with higher air pressure capacity down the line as this technology takes off.

But the allure for compressed air power is the simplicity and availability of this source of energy. Any moving matter can be used to compress air (or spin a generator for that matter) and the process is purely mechanical and can be accomplished by many many natural means that are at EVERYONE’S disposal. Sure the vehicles won’t have the initial range, it just means we’ll have to fill more often, but when we can fill from our homes at no cost, who will begrudge the “inconvenience” of more frequent refueling?

Somewhere, I saw a drawing of a proposed “air barge” that sits anchored on a river and the moving water turns gigantic paddles that compress air without altering the course of the river. These can be set up in strings to provide “air stations” to refuel vehicles, while trucks and trains can carry compressed air to fueling stations further from the riverside, where those in turn can be augmented by wind and solar-powered air compressors.

It just seems (to me) the most natural progression for at least short range transportation… then when the rotary engines get perfected and more powerful, then perhaps we can move up to the trucking industry.

The biggest point is, we don’t need to burn stuff and spread or leave behind poisons just to move about!

Brian

Squashoil

If I’m not mistaken, it’s the “comforts” that we have become accustomed to while driving the cars that use up the energy, and obviously, air power won’t efficiently heat and air-condition, and night time illuminate without battery storage of some sort.

The charging could be hybrid alternator/solar. I’m not completely up on the science behind air-conditioning, but a system seems likely to be easily converted to work with compressed air, however adding heat is much less efficient that removing it (if memory serves). There are some storage capacity hurdles to overcome, but it’s not hard to envision smaller tanks with higher air pressure capacity down the line as this technology takes off.

But the allure for compressed air power is the simplicity and availability of this source of energy. Any moving matter can be used to compress air (or spin a generator for that matter) and the process is purely mechanical and can be accomplished by many many natural means that are at EVERYONE’S disposal. Sure the vehicles won’t have the initial range, it just means we’ll have to fill more often, but when we can fill from our homes at no cost, who will begrudge the “inconvenience” of more frequent refueling?

Somewhere, I saw a drawing of a proposed “air barge” that sits anchored on a river and the moving water turns gigantic paddles that compress air without altering the course of the river. These can be set up in strings to provide “air stations” to refuel vehicles, while trucks and trains can carry compressed air to fueling stations further from the riverside, where those in turn can be augmented by wind and solar-powered air compressors.

It just seems (to me) the most natural progression for at least short range transportation… then when the rotary engines get perfected and more powerful, then perhaps we can move up to the trucking industry.

The biggest point is, we don’t need to burn stuff and spread or leave behind poisons just to move about!

Brian

avagadro

The air car promoters prey on the media’s propensity to publish their UNPROVEN claims in an effort to gain readers.

None, I repeat none of their performance claims have ever been proven.

Their text vehicle has only traveled 7.22 km in tests, they use outlandish extrapolations to claim that the final version can therefore travel over 200 km.

If you analyze the air car simply based on the energy content of the compressed air in its tanks, it is obvious it can not ever travel the distances claimed.

Why are all of these people so disposed to accept UNPROVEN claims?

It is the public’s ignorance of science that allows them to believe what they want to be true, that is how most scams work.

If you promise people what they want to be true, they often will fall for the lies, look at the many who fell for Bernard Madoff’s claims, it happens due to the public’s innate desire for a substitute to the status quo, it all comes down to wanting more money in their pockets, i9n one case higher investment returns in the other less money spent filling the tank.

get an education by looking at the last 10 years of lies and broken promises by the air car promoters, and use some common sense.

Look at the size if the vehicles they are now showing to the public, very low weight because they know a regular sized vehicle will not ever travel the distances claimed.

What is disturbing is that the media publishes statements without ever questioning there truth, they just swallow all of the UNPROVEN claims of the air car company and provide free advertising for their scam. Everybody wants to have the scoop on the big story, the latest technology, too bad the media doesn’t look for someone knowledgeable to verify if the claims are possible.

If the air cars could perform as they claimed, they would be driving around everywhere to promote the company, letting car magazines test them, instead we get words, and we all know what value words have until proven…nothing.

avagadro

The air car promoters prey on the media’s propensity to publish their UNPROVEN claims in an effort to gain readers.

None, I repeat none of their performance claims have ever been proven.

Their text vehicle has only traveled 7.22 km in tests, they use outlandish extrapolations to claim that the final version can therefore travel over 200 km.

If you analyze the air car simply based on the energy content of the compressed air in its tanks, it is obvious it can not ever travel the distances claimed.

Why are all of these people so disposed to accept UNPROVEN claims?

It is the public’s ignorance of science that allows them to believe what they want to be true, that is how most scams work.

If you promise people what they want to be true, they often will fall for the lies, look at the many who fell for Bernard Madoff’s claims, it happens due to the public’s innate desire for a substitute to the status quo, it all comes down to wanting more money in their pockets, i9n one case higher investment returns in the other less money spent filling the tank.

get an education by looking at the last 10 years of lies and broken promises by the air car promoters, and use some common sense.

Look at the size if the vehicles they are now showing to the public, very low weight because they know a regular sized vehicle will not ever travel the distances claimed.

What is disturbing is that the media publishes statements without ever questioning there truth, they just swallow all of the UNPROVEN claims of the air car company and provide free advertising for their scam. Everybody wants to have the scoop on the big story, the latest technology, too bad the media doesn’t look for someone knowledgeable to verify if the claims are possible.

If the air cars could perform as they claimed, they would be driving around everywhere to promote the company, letting car magazines test them, instead we get words, and we all know what value words have until proven…nothing.

Squashoil

One thing I did notice in the video was what sounded to be excessive noise from the engine. I would imagine the rotary style engine would alleviate this as well as some of the efficiency roadblocks. I could see how MDI would be hesitant to scrap their design after all the effort, but perhaps a coalition using MDI’s carbon tanks and chassis design and the DiPetrio air motor would be a viable option?

I seriously don’t believe the prospect of personal transport using compressed air is a complete scam. I do however believe there needs to be more honest details and demonstrations of the current proposed products so we all may learn what the true obstacles are for bringing it to fruition.

Brian

Squashoil

One thing I did notice in the video was what sounded to be excessive noise from the engine. I would imagine the rotary style engine would alleviate this as well as some of the efficiency roadblocks. I could see how MDI would be hesitant to scrap their design after all the effort, but perhaps a coalition using MDI’s carbon tanks and chassis design and the DiPetrio air motor would be a viable option?

I seriously don’t believe the prospect of personal transport using compressed air is a complete scam. I do however believe there needs to be more honest details and demonstrations of the current proposed products so we all may learn what the true obstacles are for bringing it to fruition.

Brian

laughsaminute

I find it amazing the amount of misinformation out there:

#1 Tata Motors is not now or ever in the past produced these air cars, they stated in October that they have no plans to produce these cars. Prior to that they said the concept needed further refinement and development.

#2 ZPM will gladly issue press releases but ask them for information, on this “patented” technology and they dummy up.

#3 MDI issued lie after lie for about 10 years now always claiming production is going to start in: Mexico to produce taxis, South Africa to produce cars, India etc..

#4 None of the performance claims issued by MDI has ever been realized. If a car was ready for production in 2001 what is the delay if they have all of these factories sold?

#4 To claim to refill the air tanks as the car is driven in another unproven claim, do you know the size of compressor and energy needed to compress air to 4500PSI?

#5 Energy is lost in every step of the process from the electricity used to compress the air, to the cooling of the air after compression, to the expansion of the air to be used.

#5 Real scientists laugh at the prospect of using that volume of air at those pressures to travel 125 miles, it is impossible.

#6 To run an engine on board the car to compress air runs into very large energy losses, what is the point of using the engine to run a compressor if a large portion of the energy is lost, are they not the people who deride the internal combustion energy because of its inefficiencies, but they say they will use it to compress air, more lies from MDI.

The promoters of the air car rely on the general public’s ignorance of science and their innate desire to believe what they want to believe, and therefore promise them the impossible.

There is not enough energy in the tank of compressed air to move a vehicle the distances claimed.

There is no way a “75 hp” vehicle carrying 6 people is ever going to travel more than a few miles with an air tank that size.

MDI is always making new claims concerning the manner in which the engines and vehicles operate.

First it is air only.

Then it is air plus fuel to heat the air.

Then it is air plus engine operated on fuel to compress the air.

If the car had any promise whatsoever they would not be looking to the public for money, they could raise all the money needed to start a factory with a simple demonstration, and investors would need to be restrained from trying to give them money.

They look to the public for investors as the public is not technically savvy enough to see a scam and analyze the principles involved in the transformation of energy from one form to another.

At one point MDI said half of the engine would use air to run the vehicle and the other half would compress air to keep the tanks full, I would run away very fast from a company that had the audacity to make such a preposterous claim, it is a blatant impossibility.

laughsaminute

I find it amazing the amount of misinformation out there:

#1 Tata Motors is not now or ever in the past produced these air cars, they stated in October that they have no plans to produce these cars. Prior to that they said the concept needed further refinement and development.

#2 ZPM will gladly issue press releases but ask them for information, on this “patented” technology and they dummy up.

#3 MDI issued lie after lie for about 10 years now always claiming production is going to start in: Mexico to produce taxis, South Africa to produce cars, India etc..

#4 None of the performance claims issued by MDI has ever been realized. If a car was ready for production in 2001 what is the delay if they have all of these factories sold?

#4 To claim to refill the air tanks as the car is driven in another unproven claim, do you know the size of compressor and energy needed to compress air to 4500PSI?

#5 Energy is lost in every step of the process from the electricity used to compress the air, to the cooling of the air after compression, to the expansion of the air to be used.

#5 Real scientists laugh at the prospect of using that volume of air at those pressures to travel 125 miles, it is impossible.

#6 To run an engine on board the car to compress air runs into very large energy losses, what is the point of using the engine to run a compressor if a large portion of the energy is lost, are they not the people who deride the internal combustion energy because of its inefficiencies, but they say they will use it to compress air, more lies from MDI.

The promoters of the air car rely on the general public’s ignorance of science and their innate desire to believe what they want to believe, and therefore promise them the impossible.

There is not enough energy in the tank of compressed air to move a vehicle the distances claimed.

There is no way a “75 hp” vehicle carrying 6 people is ever going to travel more than a few miles with an air tank that size.

MDI is always making new claims concerning the manner in which the engines and vehicles operate.

First it is air only.

Then it is air plus fuel to heat the air.

Then it is air plus engine operated on fuel to compress the air.

If the car had any promise whatsoever they would not be looking to the public for money, they could raise all the money needed to start a factory with a simple demonstration, and investors would need to be restrained from trying to give them money.

They look to the public for investors as the public is not technically savvy enough to see a scam and analyze the principles involved in the transformation of energy from one form to another.

At one point MDI said half of the engine would use air to run the vehicle and the other half would compress air to keep the tanks full, I would run away very fast from a company that had the audacity to make such a preposterous claim, it is a blatant impossibility.

laughsaminute

MDI’s plans for factories is very laughable, many factories each with a production of about 10,000 cars per year. That works out to 40 cars per work day.

They offer the “many factories” concept as it allows them to sell many more franchises or factories.

What ever happened to economies of scale, optimal utilization of capital resources, operating in shifts around the clock?

Their plans would lead to many idle hours of capital goods, sitting there unused, the many factory model of MDI is simply to allow them to get more money from investors, it makes no sense in economic terms. Caveat Emptor.

laughsaminute

MDI’s plans for factories is very laughable, many factories each with a production of about 10,000 cars per year. That works out to 40 cars per work day.

They offer the “many factories” concept as it allows them to sell many more franchises or factories.

What ever happened to economies of scale, optimal utilization of capital resources, operating in shifts around the clock?

Their plans would lead to many idle hours of capital goods, sitting there unused, the many factory model of MDI is simply to allow them to get more money from investors, it makes no sense in economic terms. Caveat Emptor.

Dan Hoffman

Whoever wrote that these cars are being produced in India owes an apology to the readers.

These cars have never been in production, I repeat never, so why the lies?

What is the point of the lies?

Please correct the misinformation

As the other poster said, “Tata has no plans to produce these cars at this time”

Dan Hoffman

Whoever wrote that these cars are being produced in India owes an apology to the readers.

These cars have never been in production, I repeat never, so why the lies?

What is the point of the lies?

Please correct the misinformation

As the other poster said, “Tata has no plans to produce these cars at this time”

Marcus

How can anyone trust a company that blatantly puts out press release that announce production but never come to fruition?

At what point do you say to a company “show us the goods, show us the performance, your words are not enough”?

They have never proven any of their performance claims, so why does anyone believe them, really?

Marcus

How can anyone trust a company that blatantly puts out press release that announce production but never come to fruition?

At what point do you say to a company “show us the goods, show us the performance, your words are not enough”?

They have never proven any of their performance claims, so why does anyone believe them, really?

Paulo Curigliano

Posters

I understand it feels great to post a comment and act as if you have some special knowledge of air vehicles, the problem is where was this knowledge gained?, It seems as if most of the posters simply regurgitate the press releases from the air car company or post what they read in an article that got its information from a press release from the air car company. Either way you need to consider the source, the air car company makes outrageous claims to garner free press. The media in its efforts to gain readers prints the claims, in effect acting as advertisers for the air car company by publishing their unproven claims. I would have no problem with the claims if the air car company provided vehicles to test or had a demonstration for the press. Instead all that we have from the air car company is words, words, ever changing words. They constantly change their story about when production will start and when.

No proof was ever provided, just think about that 10 years of press releases and no proof the cars can do as is claimed, at what point do you quit believing.

Just because you want something to be true does not make it true, be objective, use resources available and you will see, the cars will never perform as claimed. There is not enough energy in the air tank to move a vehicle the distances claimed, that is the reason for the new claim that the cars will compress air as they are driven.

They constantly change the vehicle’s method of operation in response to those who point out its inherent flaws.

Adding an internal combustion engine to compress air is very laughable, just think about that for a while, the air car company has no respect for the intelligence of its proponents to make such a claim.

To reach pressures of 4500 psi takes quite a bit of energy, much of is wasted during compression, and from frictional losses and as heat, it just is not a viable process in terms of energy, but some will still believe.

Get an education, it really helps to know what others are talking about instead of just believing without questioning, air powered cars just have inherent shortcomings that can not be overcome due to the laws of thermodynamics.

Paulo Curigliano

Posters

I understand it feels great to post a comment and act as if you have some special knowledge of air vehicles, the problem is where was this knowledge gained?, It seems as if most of the posters simply regurgitate the press releases from the air car company or post what they read in an article that got its information from a press release from the air car company. Either way you need to consider the source, the air car company makes outrageous claims to garner free press. The media in its efforts to gain readers prints the claims, in effect acting as advertisers for the air car company by publishing their unproven claims. I would have no problem with the claims if the air car company provided vehicles to test or had a demonstration for the press. Instead all that we have from the air car company is words, words, ever changing words. They constantly change their story about when production will start and when.

No proof was ever provided, just think about that 10 years of press releases and no proof the cars can do as is claimed, at what point do you quit believing.

Just because you want something to be true does not make it true, be objective, use resources available and you will see, the cars will never perform as claimed. There is not enough energy in the air tank to move a vehicle the distances claimed, that is the reason for the new claim that the cars will compress air as they are driven.

They constantly change the vehicle’s method of operation in response to those who point out its inherent flaws.

Adding an internal combustion engine to compress air is very laughable, just think about that for a while, the air car company has no respect for the intelligence of its proponents to make such a claim.

To reach pressures of 4500 psi takes quite a bit of energy, much of is wasted during compression, and from frictional losses and as heat, it just is not a viable process in terms of energy, but some will still believe.

Get an education, it really helps to know what others are talking about instead of just believing without questioning, air powered cars just have inherent shortcomings that can not be overcome due to the laws of thermodynamics.

Dean from NJ

Squashoil,

You say that any moving matter can be used to compress air, it would be much better to create electricity instead of compressing air. There are large energy losses from compressing air, the heat generated during compression is a loss as are the frictional losses from the mechanical components of a compressor as is the losses when the air is expanded.

Generating electricity is much more efficient and electric vehicles make a more efficient use of energy than an air car ever could.

Batteries are a much better store of energy than compressed air.

The key to evaluating the technology is a thorough understanding of the flow of energy through a system, an air car can not hold enough energy to make it useful for much more than a golf cart.

Dean from NJ

Squashoil,

You say that any moving matter can be used to compress air, it would be much better to create electricity instead of compressing air. There are large energy losses from compressing air, the heat generated during compression is a loss as are the frictional losses from the mechanical components of a compressor as is the losses when the air is expanded.

Generating electricity is much more efficient and electric vehicles make a more efficient use of energy than an air car ever could.

Batteries are a much better store of energy than compressed air.

The key to evaluating the technology is a thorough understanding of the flow of energy through a system, an air car can not hold enough energy to make it useful for much more than a golf cart.

Lars

It is nice to see that some people understand the methods the air car company uses to get free publicity.

The amount of publicity that MDI has received for free is in the 10’s of millions of dollars.

It is a shame that in none of the articles they ever bothered to contact an engineering department of a university to analyze the concept.

Time spent researching the energy content of compressed air and energy losses that exist in the compression of air will reveal the truth about the air cars,

Lars

It is nice to see that some people understand the methods the air car company uses to get free publicity.

The amount of publicity that MDI has received for free is in the 10’s of millions of dollars.

It is a shame that in none of the articles they ever bothered to contact an engineering department of a university to analyze the concept.

Time spent researching the energy content of compressed air and energy losses that exist in the compression of air will reveal the truth about the air cars,

Sir Laughalot

I laugh when I see that the aircar will have a carbon fiber tank, many aluminum components, an on board air compressor and still cost $17,000. MDI just keeps telling the public what they want to hear, and the fools keep believing.

Now that everybody is on to the fact that the aircar could not travel the distances claimed on the air in the tank, of course they change the configuration of the car. Now they say the car will compress air as it is driven, Does anyone out there know the weight of a compressor that can reach those high pressures?

I will give you a hint, it’s weight would be prohibitive to put in a car. They see that versions of the electric cars will recharge the batteries as they are driven and copy the idea. Always a moving target with the aircar, as one design is proven impossible they change the design as soon as people realize the aircar is not capable of performing as claimed.

What is really funny is the large energy losses as the other poster mentioned.

Generating electricity requires less hp than compressing air to high pressures, so the electric car ideas make sense, the aircar is geared to the uneducated among us.

Sir Laughalot

I laugh when I see that the aircar will have a carbon fiber tank, many aluminum components, an on board air compressor and still cost $17,000. MDI just keeps telling the public what they want to hear, and the fools keep believing.

Now that everybody is on to the fact that the aircar could not travel the distances claimed on the air in the tank, of course they change the configuration of the car. Now they say the car will compress air as it is driven, Does anyone out there know the weight of a compressor that can reach those high pressures?

I will give you a hint, it’s weight would be prohibitive to put in a car. They see that versions of the electric cars will recharge the batteries as they are driven and copy the idea. Always a moving target with the aircar, as one design is proven impossible they change the design as soon as people realize the aircar is not capable of performing as claimed.

What is really funny is the large energy losses as the other poster mentioned.

Generating electricity requires less hp than compressing air to high pressures, so the electric car ideas make sense, the aircar is geared to the uneducated among us.

Max Hamburg

A compressor to reach pressure of 4500 psi is going to take much energy to run. Plus the compressor will need to be very powerful to supply large volume at high pressure. It is possible to reach 4500 psi with compressor of 200 lbs. but it will not provide high volume as needed for car. For large volume & high pressure the energy (fuel) needed increases as weight does too. small low volume compressor is 5 or 6 hp, large high volume try more like 15 or 20 hp and 500 lbs weight. And that size still can not supply air as fast as the car uses.

I worked with compressors for 22 years and have seen them all, lot of heat is created from compression, that is all wasted, that means energy is lost, that is just part of the compression you need to accept.

Max Hamburg

A compressor to reach pressure of 4500 psi is going to take much energy to run. Plus the compressor will need to be very powerful to supply large volume at high pressure. It is possible to reach 4500 psi with compressor of 200 lbs. but it will not provide high volume as needed for car. For large volume & high pressure the energy (fuel) needed increases as weight does too. small low volume compressor is 5 or 6 hp, large high volume try more like 15 or 20 hp and 500 lbs weight. And that size still can not supply air as fast as the car uses.

I worked with compressors for 22 years and have seen them all, lot of heat is created from compression, that is all wasted, that means energy is lost, that is just part of the compression you need to accept.

marcus

I also remember when MDI said they would use half of the engine to run the vehicle and the other half to refill the tank. If somebody makes such a statement they have absolutely no respect for the other persons intelligence and can not be trusted.

MDI does as the other posters say, they keep changing the story as its claims are refuted.

As an aside take a look at the advertisements for some of the compressors used to refill scuba tanks, they say a tank can be refilled for $2.83, so how may I ask will you fill a tank over 20 times that size for $2? Another false claim by MDI, they just never stop lying.

marcus

I also remember when MDI said they would use half of the engine to run the vehicle and the other half to refill the tank. If somebody makes such a statement they have absolutely no respect for the other persons intelligence and can not be trusted.

MDI does as the other posters say, they keep changing the story as its claims are refuted.

As an aside take a look at the advertisements for some of the compressors used to refill scuba tanks, they say a tank can be refilled for $2.83, so how may I ask will you fill a tank over 20 times that size for $2? Another false claim by MDI, they just never stop lying.

Al francis

The claims of MDi, tha air car compnay are not true, until proven to be true.

They have a history of false claims, promises that never come true.

I can claim to have a car that gets 300 mpg, and detail a convincing convoluted system to baffle the uneducated among us. Will that make it true? no, something is not true until proven. Did anyone out there ever take a science class?

What is it that provokes all of these people to believe what has never been proven?

The problem as I see it is most people get their information from short articles or sound bites on TV. Most of the public is too lazy to take time to thoroughly research and understand a subject. If all of you out there would take the time to visit a library or research on the net, you could learn quite a lot about energy. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, learn more about the subject.

Al francis

The claims of MDi, tha air car compnay are not true, until proven to be true.

They have a history of false claims, promises that never come true.

I can claim to have a car that gets 300 mpg, and detail a convincing convoluted system to baffle the uneducated among us. Will that make it true? no, something is not true until proven. Did anyone out there ever take a science class?

What is it that provokes all of these people to believe what has never been proven?

The problem as I see it is most people get their information from short articles or sound bites on TV. Most of the public is too lazy to take time to thoroughly research and understand a subject. If all of you out there would take the time to visit a library or research on the net, you could learn quite a lot about energy. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, learn more about the subject.

verify or lie

I also wonder about the truth, what do you call company who says things that are not true?

Most people would call that that company a fraud and in the future doubt any further statements from that person.

MDI has a history of making false statements, quite a few of them can be found on the net.

What possesses people to continue believing them is a mystery to me. I am sure many people would love this air car concept to be true, but look at the facts.

Years and years of promises, ever changing claims and no proof whatsoever that any of the performance figures that they so readily tout are true.

Scam artists prey on the public’s natural tendency to want to believe what would readily benefit them, then take advantage of their ignorance.

Objectivity is very rare it seems, learn to detach your personal feelings and look at the facts and circumstances and the history before believing what is said. In science there are steps to be taken so that a claim can be properly evaluated, that is one method to verify the claims, the other way is a simple demonstration and test of claims, something that has never been offered to anyone independent of MDI.

verify or lie

I also wonder about the truth, what do you call company who says things that are not true?

Most people would call that that company a fraud and in the future doubt any further statements from that person.

MDI has a history of making false statements, quite a few of them can be found on the net.

What possesses people to continue believing them is a mystery to me. I am sure many people would love this air car concept to be true, but look at the facts.

Years and years of promises, ever changing claims and no proof whatsoever that any of the performance figures that they so readily tout are true.

Scam artists prey on the public’s natural tendency to want to believe what would readily benefit them, then take advantage of their ignorance.

Objectivity is very rare it seems, learn to detach your personal feelings and look at the facts and circumstances and the history before believing what is said. In science there are steps to be taken so that a claim can be properly evaluated, that is one method to verify the claims, the other way is a simple demonstration and test of claims, something that has never been offered to anyone independent of MDI.

Dan Mead

The claim to compress air as the car is driven to refill the tank borders on the absurd.

Enormous amounts of heat is generated as air is compressed to those high pressures, that heat would need to be dissipated somehow, otherwise it would cause weakness in the carbon fiber tank, especially at the interface of any valves or tubing.

In addition the compression of air is not a very efficient means of transforming and storing energy.

An electric vehicle offers much better efficiencies and none of the lies.

Dan Mead

The claim to compress air as the car is driven to refill the tank borders on the absurd.

Enormous amounts of heat is generated as air is compressed to those high pressures, that heat would need to be dissipated somehow, otherwise it would cause weakness in the carbon fiber tank, especially at the interface of any valves or tubing.

In addition the compression of air is not a very efficient means of transforming and storing energy.

An electric vehicle offers much better efficiencies and none of the lies.

The truth is a stranger

It seems as though MDI keeps coming up with new models and designs to dupe investors into thinking that there money is being well spent.

If they even had one vehicle model performing as they claim why not go into production, then the company would have cash flow and money to invest in further research and development. What happened to the vehicles they were going to produce in Mexico, South Africa, France, and India? If you make an announcement that production will begin, you should have a working prototype.

The problem is that MDI has never had a prototype that will perform as they claimed, if they did why not go into production.

I believe that based upon all of the evidence, mainly the lies and inconsistencies over the years in their statements,and also from a scientific viewpoint that these vehicles are no more than props used to acquire money from investors.

A working prototype that performs as they claim and stood up to scientific scrutiny would bring in more investors than they ever thought possible, the problem is that they have never produced such a prototype. If the words of the MDI company is all you have to go by, well that is all you have is words and the people foolish to believe them.

An unbiased observer of the conduct of the air car cxompany and their statements that have not come true or been proven, leaves many unanswered questions, eventually the truth will come out and many will be left with nothing but “forward looking statements that may not be attainable” as their investor page once said.

I say scam.

The truth is a stranger

It seems as though MDI keeps coming up with new models and designs to dupe investors into thinking that there money is being well spent.

If they even had one vehicle model performing as they claim why not go into production, then the company would have cash flow and money to invest in further research and development. What happened to the vehicles they were going to produce in Mexico, South Africa, France, and India? If you make an announcement that production will begin, you should have a working prototype.

The problem is that MDI has never had a prototype that will perform as they claimed, if they did why not go into production.

I believe that based upon all of the evidence, mainly the lies and inconsistencies over the years in their statements,and also from a scientific viewpoint that these vehicles are no more than props used to acquire money from investors.

A working prototype that performs as they claim and stood up to scientific scrutiny would bring in more investors than they ever thought possible, the problem is that they have never produced such a prototype. If the words of the MDI company is all you have to go by, well that is all you have is words and the people foolish to believe them.

An unbiased observer of the conduct of the air car cxompany and their statements that have not come true or been proven, leaves many unanswered questions, eventually the truth will come out and many will be left with nothing but “forward looking statements that may not be attainable” as their investor page once said.

I say scam.

Angelo Ventimiglio

These air cars are may be good for warehouse vehicles where they are never far from a source of compressed air. AS road vehicles they will empty their air tank at a very high rate due to the low energy content of air. As to being a vehicle suitable for the general public, the laws of thermodynamics present a real hindrance to their performance. The energy losses inherent in the energy transformation make this a rather inefficient vehicle in terms of energy use. As to refilling the tanks while driving through the use of an auxiliary engine to run a compressor, well that’s a real stretch due to energy losses during compression and the vast amounts of air that are necessary. The size of the compressor and the fuel demands to run it make that proposition quite laughable.

I suppose MDI figures there must be enough gullible people with money but not the brains to analyze the system in its entirety.

Angelo Ventimiglio

These air cars are may be good for warehouse vehicles where they are never far from a source of compressed air. AS road vehicles they will empty their air tank at a very high rate due to the low energy content of air. As to being a vehicle suitable for the general public, the laws of thermodynamics present a real hindrance to their performance. The energy losses inherent in the energy transformation make this a rather inefficient vehicle in terms of energy use. As to refilling the tanks while driving through the use of an auxiliary engine to run a compressor, well that’s a real stretch due to energy losses during compression and the vast amounts of air that are necessary. The size of the compressor and the fuel demands to run it make that proposition quite laughable.

I suppose MDI figures there must be enough gullible people with money but not the brains to analyze the system in its entirety.

johnny Pizza

Why would someone say that these cars are currently being produced in India?

I agree with the other poster, there should be a retraction.

People see a site such as this and assume there is truth in the information contained herein.

Here is the truth: Tata Motors has no current production plans for the air car. Any claim otherwise is a total fabrication.

johnny Pizza

Why would someone say that these cars are currently being produced in India?

I agree with the other poster, there should be a retraction.

People see a site such as this and assume there is truth in the information contained herein.

Here is the truth: Tata Motors has no current production plans for the air car. Any claim otherwise is a total fabrication.

Patrick Kelley

Will this car work in the cold winters of northwestern wisconsin?

Patrick Kelley

Will this car work in the cold winters of northwestern wisconsin?

John Alsace

“HOT AIR” car is what they should call this vehicle,

because all we have to go on is the words of the company.

MDI sure has quite a lot to say, but never provide proof or a demonstration, except for the demo a few years ago when their car traveled less than 5 miles in a test.

John Alsace

“HOT AIR” car is what they should call this vehicle,

because all we have to go on is the words of the company.

MDI sure has quite a lot to say, but never provide proof or a demonstration, except for the demo a few years ago when their car traveled less than 5 miles in a test.

http://yahoo wbfertm

hey you can use solar and wind power to run an compressor, the ideas are endless, think you store air and and can be made any where… 12 volt compressor…

Dino Magliocca

12 volt compressor….That is useless in generating the air necessary for these types of vehicles.

You need energy to compress air, if you just want to fill a tire and have a few minutes to spare, sure use a 12 volt compressor.

To generate the volumes and pressures to refill the air tank of these vehicles and to supply when running, you would need a large multi-stage compressor with cooling between stages because the heat generated from compression needs to be drawn away from the system otherwise the temperature would be unbearable.

Most of the posters who propose using compressors run off solar or the engine are really not grasping the huge energy requirements needed and have no sense of proportion.

Look at the history of MDI and its claims over the years, lots of hot air as the other poster said.

This concept is never going to replace current vehicles, and is only good for very short distances.

Dino Magliocca

12 volt compressor….That is useless in generating the air necessary for these types of vehicles.

You need energy to compress air, if you just want to fill a tire and have a few minutes to spare, sure use a 12 volt compressor.

To generate the volumes and pressures to refill the air tank of these vehicles and to supply when running, you would need a large multi-stage compressor with cooling between stages because the heat generated from compression needs to be drawn away from the system otherwise the temperature would be unbearable.

Most of the posters who propose using compressors run off solar or the engine are really not grasping the huge energy requirements needed and have no sense of proportion.

Look at the history of MDI and its claims over the years, lots of hot air as the other poster said.

This concept is never going to replace current vehicles, and is only good for very short distances.

Frank Olmert

I have never seen such a collection of uneducated people in one place as on this forum.

Most of the posters have absolutely no concept of the path of energy through the air car, from compression to storage, to expansion, to the powering of the engine.

This air car will never be able to perform as claimed.

There are huge energy losses from the compression of air to those high pressures.

The amount of energy contained in the tank, even at 4500 psi is still not near enough to power the vehicle for more than a few miles.

AS to having an onboard compressor, come on now, to power that compressor to refill the tanks again leads to huge energy losses. MDI loves to muddy the waters so to say by saying, “we will heat the air before it enters the engine” or “we will run a compressor to refill the tanks”, both of these processes use more energy than is usable in its final state.

Take some time fellow posters, and educate yourself, research the energy content in a tank that size and pressure, see how much electricity you can buy for the $2.00 they say it costs to fill the tank. What you will find out is, you are being lied to by MDI, plain and simple.

Do not believe something just because it sounds good, be open minded and objective. If you do not understand science ask somebody who does, do not walk around in a daze thinking the air car is going to solve any problems, it is not good for more than a few miles, that is it. It all comes down to understanding energy, if you don’t understand you will be at a loss when reading the claims of MDI. If you are knowledgeable, you will know it is just HOT AIR as the other poster said.

Frank Olmert

I have never seen such a collection of uneducated people in one place as on this forum.

Most of the posters have absolutely no concept of the path of energy through the air car, from compression to storage, to expansion, to the powering of the engine.

This air car will never be able to perform as claimed.

There are huge energy losses from the compression of air to those high pressures.

The amount of energy contained in the tank, even at 4500 psi is still not near enough to power the vehicle for more than a few miles.

AS to having an onboard compressor, come on now, to power that compressor to refill the tanks again leads to huge energy losses. MDI loves to muddy the waters so to say by saying, “we will heat the air before it enters the engine” or “we will run a compressor to refill the tanks”, both of these processes use more energy than is usable in its final state.

Take some time fellow posters, and educate yourself, research the energy content in a tank that size and pressure, see how much electricity you can buy for the $2.00 they say it costs to fill the tank. What you will find out is, you are being lied to by MDI, plain and simple.

Do not believe something just because it sounds good, be open minded and objective. If you do not understand science ask somebody who does, do not walk around in a daze thinking the air car is going to solve any problems, it is not good for more than a few miles, that is it. It all comes down to understanding energy, if you don’t understand you will be at a loss when reading the claims of MDI. If you are knowledgeable, you will know it is just HOT AIR as the other poster said.

dan Mead

Guy Negre’s career in Formula 1 that he brags of, consisted of being part of a team that never made it past qualifying runs so they never actually raced in Formula races. They suffered many reliability issues and when they did actually try to qualify they were 20-30 seconds slower per lap than the others.

Check out the article by searching for website: PITPASS.COM article- “Castles in the air” year-2002.

An interesting article by someone familiar with Formula 1 and Guy Negre. In a few words – “No credibility”

dan Mead

Guy Negre’s career in Formula 1 that he brags of, consisted of being part of a team that never made it past qualifying runs so they never actually raced in Formula races. They suffered many reliability issues and when they did actually try to qualify they were 20-30 seconds slower per lap than the others.

Check out the article by searching for website: PITPASS.COM article- “Castles in the air” year-2002.

An interesting article by someone familiar with Formula 1 and Guy Negre. In a few words – “No credibility”

I see a major failing of our educational system when I read quite a few of these posts. I have the feeling that many of these posters would believe just about anything they read, based upon their fanatical love of the air car.

Until their is an independent review by a person outside of the company, all those claims of theirs are just that, claims. If it was proven they would be facts.

So far none of their performance figures has been verified.

I like the one poster’s analysis of the $2.00 cost to refill the tank. That alone should be proof of the MDI companies propensity to lie.

I would not be so kind in my assessment of the energy content in the tank after filling with compressed air.

20 kilowatt hours of electricity would yield less than half that amount of compressed air energy in the tank. The losses inherent in compressing air to 4500 psi are enormous, the heat generated during compression needs to be dissipated otherwise if the tank is allowed to get hot during compression, as it cools the pressure will drop dramatically, that is the reason scuba shops use 3 and 4 stage compressors, with cooling between stages, and often have the tanks in water to draw off the excess heat, otherwise you will have the pressure drop dramatically as the tank returns to ambient temperature.

That debunked claim alone tells me MDI is full of bovine excrement.

Jason McWilliams

I see a major failing of our educational system when I read quite a few of these posts. I have the feeling that many of these posters would believe just about anything they read, based upon their fanatical love of the air car.

Until their is an independent review by a person outside of the company, all those claims of theirs are just that, claims. If it was proven they would be facts.

So far none of their performance figures has been verified.

I like the one poster’s analysis of the $2.00 cost to refill the tank. That alone should be proof of the MDI companies propensity to lie.

I would not be so kind in my assessment of the energy content in the tank after filling with compressed air.

20 kilowatt hours of electricity would yield less than half that amount of compressed air energy in the tank. The losses inherent in compressing air to 4500 psi are enormous, the heat generated during compression needs to be dissipated otherwise if the tank is allowed to get hot during compression, as it cools the pressure will drop dramatically, that is the reason scuba shops use 3 and 4 stage compressors, with cooling between stages, and often have the tanks in water to draw off the excess heat, otherwise you will have the pressure drop dramatically as the tank returns to ambient temperature.

That debunked claim alone tells me MDI is full of bovine excrement.

Jarrod

Excellent idea, but if you want to make it even more efficient, please drop me a line and let’s talk some business! I have been referred to this website by an engineer that I am currently in early talks with about patenting a similar idea. I had never heard of a car being run on compressed air before I began exploring the idea, this is the first website I have come across that has something remotely like what I have been trying to invent. If there is anyone out there (Preferably the company who designed this car) who would like to help in the fight against climate change and would be able to help me implement my ideas, please drop me a line.

Jarrod

Excellent idea, but if you want to make it even more efficient, please drop me a line and let’s talk some business! I have been referred to this website by an engineer that I am currently in early talks with about patenting a similar idea. I had never heard of a car being run on compressed air before I began exploring the idea, this is the first website I have come across that has something remotely like what I have been trying to invent. If there is anyone out there (Preferably the company who designed this car) who would like to help in the fight against climate change and would be able to help me implement my ideas, please drop me a line.

Squashoil

Compressed air does not require electricity to produce. Moving water sources can not only provide the power, but the cooling at the same time.

With new rotary air motor designs, the air car should become reality, just probably not a replacement for typical rural/suburban use. Negre’s initial concept was to build the cars only where the communities would support the technology (like building compressed air barges or other zero-emission energy sources to produce the air pressure).

Opponents seem to be attempting to make it look as though the car was meant to be the “end-all” perfect solution to carbon emitting vehicles, but I don’t believe this was the initial intent. Heck, even if it were only used on golf carts, it would be a good start.

Brian

Squashoil

Compressed air does not require electricity to produce. Moving water sources can not only provide the power, but the cooling at the same time.

With new rotary air motor designs, the air car should become reality, just probably not a replacement for typical rural/suburban use. Negre’s initial concept was to build the cars only where the communities would support the technology (like building compressed air barges or other zero-emission energy sources to produce the air pressure).

Opponents seem to be attempting to make it look as though the car was meant to be the “end-all” perfect solution to carbon emitting vehicles, but I don’t believe this was the initial intent. Heck, even if it were only used on golf carts, it would be a good start.

Brian

John Pizza

If you are going to go through the trouble of harnessing water for power you would be much better off using it to make electricity. The amount of energy wasted in the transition from electricity to compressed air is enormous, you are much better off charging a battery for electric cars, just do some research and see the energy that is wasted as heat during the compression of air to high pressures. Check out the science, it will lead to the truth, the truth is where scams are revealed. MDI has never stopped with the false promises.

John Pizza

If you are going to go through the trouble of harnessing water for power you would be much better off using it to make electricity. The amount of energy wasted in the transition from electricity to compressed air is enormous, you are much better off charging a battery for electric cars, just do some research and see the energy that is wasted as heat during the compression of air to high pressures. Check out the science, it will lead to the truth, the truth is where scams are revealed. MDI has never stopped with the false promises.

rnickels

I see some mention ugly, there is nothing like ugly (hummer) I hope never to ride on one of those. I am still looking at the interesting designs. I am thinking in line of hydrogen unite for my older commuter car. My wheels are doing there job,and I can complain on the fuel consumption (38-40 mpg). I don’t feel I should spend $10k to get from point A to B and back again. The prices of these new autos is just out of the question.

rnickels

I see some mention ugly, there is nothing like ugly (hummer) I hope never to ride on one of those. I am still looking at the interesting designs. I am thinking in line of hydrogen unite for my older commuter car. My wheels are doing there job,and I can complain on the fuel consumption (38-40 mpg). I don’t feel I should spend $10k to get from point A to B and back again. The prices of these new autos is just out of the question.

Squashoil

Batteries will lead to toxic landfills. Regardless of the “waste of energy” what difference does it make when the energy has no price? Air power uses nothing but recyclable moving parts and is a much better permanent solution than battery power. As far as losses, it didn’t seem to trouble people when steam engines were initially developed, it just got the job done.

The simple technology will work, whatever MDI may have done to mislead the public is irrelevant.

People who continuously bash compressed air power appear to have ulterior motives (big 3 employees or stock holders perhaps?)Whatever the case may be, attempting to demean a person’s understanding of science appears to be just another strategy to keep big oil in power.

Actually, if batteries could be taken out of the electric car equation, they may actually be viable. I’ve been attempting to confirm the legitimacy of the power source shown in this google video:

There are a few other related videos that are shorter, but this one allegedly shows the device being dismantled to determine whether the technology is “rigged” somehow. The video was posted in 2006 and I haven’t heard anything about it since… if this is real, then THIS will be the end-all solution for energy independence and free power for EVERYONE FOREVER!

Brian

Squashoil

Batteries will lead to toxic landfills. Regardless of the “waste of energy” what difference does it make when the energy has no price? Air power uses nothing but recyclable moving parts and is a much better permanent solution than battery power. As far as losses, it didn’t seem to trouble people when steam engines were initially developed, it just got the job done.

The simple technology will work, whatever MDI may have done to mislead the public is irrelevant.

People who continuously bash compressed air power appear to have ulterior motives (big 3 employees or stock holders perhaps?)Whatever the case may be, attempting to demean a person’s understanding of science appears to be just another strategy to keep big oil in power.

Actually, if batteries could be taken out of the electric car equation, they may actually be viable. I’ve been attempting to confirm the legitimacy of the power source shown in this google video:

There are a few other related videos that are shorter, but this one allegedly shows the device being dismantled to determine whether the technology is “rigged” somehow. The video was posted in 2006 and I haven’t heard anything about it since… if this is real, then THIS will be the end-all solution for energy independence and free power for EVERYONE FOREVER!

Brian

Avagadro

Take the time to educate yourself, you can not create energy from nothing.

A video can be easily faked, did you ever see Superman in the movies, do you believe men can fly like that?

Those frauds with energy generators have been around for years, if it was real they would be billionaires many times over.

The air car suffers from the low energy content of compressed air. None of the new configurations promised by MDI will work either. They are in the business of selling licenses for factories to fools with money.

A quick education in the energy losses in the compression of air to high pressures will demonstrate the reason air cars will not work as MDI claims.

A calculation of the energy content of the tank of the air car will show why it has such a short range, that is why it was never produced.

The use of an onboard generator to compress air to refill the tank is illogical, due to the added weight, the fuel necessary to run the generator, and the massive energy losses in the compression of air to high pressures. MDI just comes up with a new design every so often, to keep attention on their company to get free advertising to sell more licenses.

The air car is not a viable substitute for anything but a golf cart, and a battery powered cart will be much cheaper.

A claim to go 125 miles on $2.00 of electricity is complete rubbish, totally impossible, an insult to the intelligence of anyone with knowledge of energy and thermodynamics.

By the way batteries can be recycled.

A real understanding of science is necessary to comprehend the entirety of what is being promised with the air car, and why it can not work as they claim, it is not meant to be demeaning to say the knowledge of science is necessary. An education is valuable in refuting unrealistic claims, due to the fact scammers spend time coming up with their schemes.

There comes a point when you just can not accept anything a liar says, that is the case with MDI, too many lies for too many years.

Avagadro

Take the time to educate yourself, you can not create energy from nothing.

A video can be easily faked, did you ever see Superman in the movies, do you believe men can fly like that?

Those frauds with energy generators have been around for years, if it was real they would be billionaires many times over.

The air car suffers from the low energy content of compressed air. None of the new configurations promised by MDI will work either. They are in the business of selling licenses for factories to fools with money.

A quick education in the energy losses in the compression of air to high pressures will demonstrate the reason air cars will not work as MDI claims.

A calculation of the energy content of the tank of the air car will show why it has such a short range, that is why it was never produced.

The use of an onboard generator to compress air to refill the tank is illogical, due to the added weight, the fuel necessary to run the generator, and the massive energy losses in the compression of air to high pressures. MDI just comes up with a new design every so often, to keep attention on their company to get free advertising to sell more licenses.

The air car is not a viable substitute for anything but a golf cart, and a battery powered cart will be much cheaper.

A claim to go 125 miles on $2.00 of electricity is complete rubbish, totally impossible, an insult to the intelligence of anyone with knowledge of energy and thermodynamics.

By the way batteries can be recycled.

A real understanding of science is necessary to comprehend the entirety of what is being promised with the air car, and why it can not work as they claim, it is not meant to be demeaning to say the knowledge of science is necessary. An education is valuable in refuting unrealistic claims, due to the fact scammers spend time coming up with their schemes.

There comes a point when you just can not accept anything a liar says, that is the case with MDI, too many lies for too many years.

Dan Mead

To say that the energy to power air cars has no price is not true. Even wind energy has a price, it costs money to build and maintain windmills. Hyropower is not free for the same reasons. So to say that the energy to power air cars is free is total nonsense. If air cars are the panacea you think they are and have all of these benefits, why are they not producing air cars currently?….The answer, quite simply is because they are not all that you suppose they are.

To know and understand the subject at hand allows a person freedom to know the truth, instead of relying on the lies of others for information.

Dan Mead

To say that the energy to power air cars has no price is not true. Even wind energy has a price, it costs money to build and maintain windmills. Hyropower is not free for the same reasons. So to say that the energy to power air cars is free is total nonsense. If air cars are the panacea you think they are and have all of these benefits, why are they not producing air cars currently?….The answer, quite simply is because they are not all that you suppose they are.

To know and understand the subject at hand allows a person freedom to know the truth, instead of relying on the lies of others for information.

Squashoil

Mr. Tesla had a design to radiate electricity through the air and it was immediately squashed because there was no profit to be made. The device in the video is not producing power from “nothing” it is allegedly harnessing natural RF energies of the earth into a resonance tank and then refreshing it with a secondary frequency.

I completely understand the concept and believe it is real… and incidentally, I have dual degrees in electrical engineering and computer technology (granted only AAS), but I have military training in antenna wave propagation (was an ET in the USN), so it’s not like I have no education in these matters, just perhaps not enough.

The google video is low quality, there is no CGI going on, the only conceivable way it could be rigged is if there is a huge transducer radiating the primary frequency or a harmonic to resonance frequency of the tank circuit. I have seen the patent application for this device, but was not able to find anything like it on the US patent site.

There have been many designs introduced over the years, and the designers end up deceased shortly after prototypes are made public, so the logic of “they would be billionaires today” does not cut the mustard. The ones in control of power today have no intentions of giving that up.

Brian

Squashoil

Mr. Tesla had a design to radiate electricity through the air and it was immediately squashed because there was no profit to be made. The device in the video is not producing power from “nothing” it is allegedly harnessing natural RF energies of the earth into a resonance tank and then refreshing it with a secondary frequency.

I completely understand the concept and believe it is real… and incidentally, I have dual degrees in electrical engineering and computer technology (granted only AAS), but I have military training in antenna wave propagation (was an ET in the USN), so it’s not like I have no education in these matters, just perhaps not enough.

The google video is low quality, there is no CGI going on, the only conceivable way it could be rigged is if there is a huge transducer radiating the primary frequency or a harmonic to resonance frequency of the tank circuit. I have seen the patent application for this device, but was not able to find anything like it on the US patent site.

There have been many designs introduced over the years, and the designers end up deceased shortly after prototypes are made public, so the logic of “they would be billionaires today” does not cut the mustard. The ones in control of power today have no intentions of giving that up.

Brian

Donald Mazza

The word use of allegedly is correct, nothing has been proven, nothing at all. A video is worthless, if you believe that the video can not be changed to show what they want you to see, well you need to get out more.

The device can be rigged more ways than you can imagine,

Until a device stands up to scientific scrutiny, it is only a claim that is being made.

There are a myriad of ways to ensure that one’s devices and technology are not destroyed, if these “inventors” can not figure that out, well they are not that bright.

Many scam artists have claimed that their lives were threatened by others because of their inventions, the truth is these inventions have never stood up to any kind of scrutiny, all they did was make claims, that were never proven.

Seems as if you spend time on the “free energy” sites.

As the other person said, “if it was real, they would be billionaires”, plain and simple, your story about deceased inventors is an excuse that is all. Come back to Earth, the conspiracy theories are nonsense.

Donald Mazza

The word use of allegedly is correct, nothing has been proven, nothing at all. A video is worthless, if you believe that the video can not be changed to show what they want you to see, well you need to get out more.

The device can be rigged more ways than you can imagine,

Until a device stands up to scientific scrutiny, it is only a claim that is being made.

There are a myriad of ways to ensure that one’s devices and technology are not destroyed, if these “inventors” can not figure that out, well they are not that bright.

Many scam artists have claimed that their lives were threatened by others because of their inventions, the truth is these inventions have never stood up to any kind of scrutiny, all they did was make claims, that were never proven.

Seems as if you spend time on the “free energy” sites.

As the other person said, “if it was real, they would be billionaires”, plain and simple, your story about deceased inventors is an excuse that is all. Come back to Earth, the conspiracy theories are nonsense.

Ronald

Brian,

How can you say that whatever MDI did to mislead the public is irrelevant? Do you understand what credibility is?

Are you so desperate to believe in these concepts that you could ignore lies from the so called “inventor”, the lies tell you what type of person they are.

The people who invested with MDI will get an education at least, the amusing part is that in the end some will think make excuses as to why the car never made it to production. They will say that Negre’s life was threatened, or he was payed off by big oil, or he was cheated out of his patents. The truly gullible will find a way to justify their beliefs that were never realized.

The air car is not able to do what MDI claims, that is why 8 years after a production date was announced there is still no air car, except for those they use to dupe investors into buying a factory license, and we know they can travel 7.22 km, WOW almost 5 miles.

Ronald

Brian,

How can you say that whatever MDI did to mislead the public is irrelevant? Do you understand what credibility is?

Are you so desperate to believe in these concepts that you could ignore lies from the so called “inventor”, the lies tell you what type of person they are.

The people who invested with MDI will get an education at least, the amusing part is that in the end some will think make excuses as to why the car never made it to production. They will say that Negre’s life was threatened, or he was payed off by big oil, or he was cheated out of his patents. The truly gullible will find a way to justify their beliefs that were never realized.

The air car is not able to do what MDI claims, that is why 8 years after a production date was announced there is still no air car, except for those they use to dupe investors into buying a factory license, and we know they can travel 7.22 km, WOW almost 5 miles.

Magicians friend

Mr Squashoil,

What does Tesla have to do with anything? I am sure that most people know of his idea to send electricity through the air. Ideas are either used or not based upon their merits, I can think of many reasons why it never was developed.

As to the “alleged” harnessing of RF frequencies to provide energy, the reason you only see these type of “inventions” on websites or self made videos is that the inventors need to have control of the entire situation. It is just like a magician on stage, they could not do all they do if down with the audience on all sides.

None of these “free energy” or “over unity” devices can stand up to scientific scrutiny, that is why they are here one day and gone in a short time.

A staged show is not proof no matter how convincing it is, once others can duplicate their results, then you have something. If it only works when certain people are in control, it is a fraud.

You need to ask for proof, on your terms not theirs, the history of inventions is full of devious characters ready to take advantage of the gullible.

Magicians friend

Mr Squashoil,

What does Tesla have to do with anything? I am sure that most people know of his idea to send electricity through the air. Ideas are either used or not based upon their merits, I can think of many reasons why it never was developed.

As to the “alleged” harnessing of RF frequencies to provide energy, the reason you only see these type of “inventions” on websites or self made videos is that the inventors need to have control of the entire situation. It is just like a magician on stage, they could not do all they do if down with the audience on all sides.

None of these “free energy” or “over unity” devices can stand up to scientific scrutiny, that is why they are here one day and gone in a short time.

A staged show is not proof no matter how convincing it is, once others can duplicate their results, then you have something. If it only works when certain people are in control, it is a fraud.

You need to ask for proof, on your terms not theirs, the history of inventions is full of devious characters ready to take advantage of the gullible.

Jason Brez

Mr Squashoil,

None of these energy generating concepts mean anything until they can be independently reproduced. These devices seem to work great when operated by their inventors, but never stand up to scientific review. They always have a reason not to let independent observers up close to their demonstrations.

I always question the poor video, as my son at the age of 10 was able to make better videos better than these inventors, there is only one reason for poor video, that is to hide something.

None of these energy generators has ever amounted to anything.

That conspiracy claim is the oldest excuse for an idea that was not viable.

With the instant dissemination of information available toady, please explain how an idea can be kept from reaching the people able to place it in production, seriously now, you are not posting to children here.

For all of the money that an invention of this type would mean, security would be no problem.

These ideas never make it because they are based on faulty science, and are often used just to scam a few dollars until they are debunked.

Jason Brez

Mr Squashoil,

None of these energy generating concepts mean anything until they can be independently reproduced. These devices seem to work great when operated by their inventors, but never stand up to scientific review. They always have a reason not to let independent observers up close to their demonstrations.

I always question the poor video, as my son at the age of 10 was able to make better videos better than these inventors, there is only one reason for poor video, that is to hide something.

None of these energy generators has ever amounted to anything.

That conspiracy claim is the oldest excuse for an idea that was not viable.

With the instant dissemination of information available toady, please explain how an idea can be kept from reaching the people able to place it in production, seriously now, you are not posting to children here.

For all of the money that an invention of this type would mean, security would be no problem.

These ideas never make it because they are based on faulty science, and are often used just to scam a few dollars until they are debunked.

Jason Brez

Mr Squashoil,

None of these energy generating concepts mean anything until they can be independently reproduced. These devices seem to work great when operated by their inventors, but never stand up to scientific review. They always have a reason not to let independent observers up close to their demonstrations.

I always question the poor video, as my son at the age of 10 was able to make better videos better than these inventors, there is only one reason for poor video, that is to hide something.

None of these energy generators has ever amounted to anything.

That conspiracy claim is the oldest excuse for an idea that was not viable.

With the instant dissemination of information available toady, please explain how an idea can be kept from reaching the people able to place it in production, seriously now, you are not posting to children here.

For all of the money that an invention of this type would mean, security would be no problem.

These ideas never make it because they are based on faulty science, and are often used just to scam a few dollars until they are debunked.

Lance

Please Brian,

Do not get worried when you watch movies, some of what you see is not real. They actually have ways of making things seem other than what is real, just like in the video you refer to. I saw a man cut a lady in half the other day, and then put her back together, and he was not even a doctor. Open your eyes.

Also the Whitehouse is OK, they did not blow it up in Independence Day.

Lance

Please Brian,

Do not get worried when you watch movies, some of what you see is not real. They actually have ways of making things seem other than what is real, just like in the video you refer to. I saw a man cut a lady in half the other day, and then put her back together, and he was not even a doctor. Open your eyes.

Also the Whitehouse is OK, they did not blow it up in Independence Day.

Lawrence Capelli

The air car will go down in history as a fraud perpetrated upon people so desperate to be captains of this new industry that would provide cheap transportation.They threw logic and science out the window and invested based upon faith in the words of a man who claimed to be a Formula One engineer. this engineer never had a car qualify for a race, some engineer huh. The lies just begin there, and keep growing with promises never kept and production dates that came and went.

The air car, if it did what they claimed, would already be in production because so much money would be involved to bring this miracle technology to market. Instead MDI needs to rely on foolish investors with money but not enough sense to pay a consultant to analyze the “technology.

Lawrence Capelli

The air car will go down in history as a fraud perpetrated upon people so desperate to be captains of this new industry that would provide cheap transportation.They threw logic and science out the window and invested based upon faith in the words of a man who claimed to be a Formula One engineer. this engineer never had a car qualify for a race, some engineer huh. The lies just begin there, and keep growing with promises never kept and production dates that came and went.

The air car, if it did what they claimed, would already be in production because so much money would be involved to bring this miracle technology to market. Instead MDI needs to rely on foolish investors with money but not enough sense to pay a consultant to analyze the “technology.

Squashoil

We can discuss things intelligently, or we can play these childish games of condescending tones and sarcasm. I’ve stated my background and my assessment of the video on a professional level while everyone else has merely attempted to assert that it’s fake just because it could be and without further discussing the actual science behind the concept and how or why it couldn’t be real.

Supposition about what “would be if” it was real is as imaginary as the supposed lack of credibility behind the science. Anyone that claims this concept is “impossible” displays the mentality of those in the 1800’s that claimed it would be impossible for man to ever take flight or land on the moon.

Just because a solution is too simple to not have been discovered before, doesn’t negate the possibility that it was simply overlooked, or has been systematically suppressed in the past because there weren’t avenues like the internet where people can post their discoveries publicly.

I interpret these mindless suppression tactics as desperate measures by individuals who stand a chance of losing their livelihoods should groundbreaking discoveries like these become reality. I keep my eyes wide open, can the same be said for the “minds” of the naysayers?

We can collect substantial power from electromagnetic energy reaching us from a very distant source emanating in the frequency spectrum of light, this device is a collection process from the same type of energy, just in different wavelengths. If there are multiple, natural frequencies emanating from the earth’s magnetic fields, and a tuned filter is calibrated to pick up these frequencies and the harmonics of them, there is no “over-unity” involved because there is no artificial power input to measure and create a “benchmark” of the standard “output = input minus loss” equation.

The output is simply dependent upon the load and the current carrying capacity of the components the device is built with. The input is theoretically infinite, but the effects of disrupting the natural flux of earth’s atmosphere by tapping into these waves is something that may require investigation prior to large scale implementation.

Since we seem to enjoy references from movies starring Jeff Goldblum, perhaps this one may strike a chord of familiarity (perhaps a bit ad-libbed):

“Science can get so wrapped up in trying to figure out if they CAN do something, they often forget to question whether they SHOULD”. (Jurassic Park)

Brian

Squashoil

We can discuss things intelligently, or we can play these childish games of condescending tones and sarcasm. I’ve stated my background and my assessment of the video on a professional level while everyone else has merely attempted to assert that it’s fake just because it could be and without further discussing the actual science behind the concept and how or why it couldn’t be real.

Supposition about what “would be if” it was real is as imaginary as the supposed lack of credibility behind the science. Anyone that claims this concept is “impossible” displays the mentality of those in the 1800’s that claimed it would be impossible for man to ever take flight or land on the moon.

Just because a solution is too simple to not have been discovered before, doesn’t negate the possibility that it was simply overlooked, or has been systematically suppressed in the past because there weren’t avenues like the internet where people can post their discoveries publicly.

I interpret these mindless suppression tactics as desperate measures by individuals who stand a chance of losing their livelihoods should groundbreaking discoveries like these become reality. I keep my eyes wide open, can the same be said for the “minds” of the naysayers?

We can collect substantial power from electromagnetic energy reaching us from a very distant source emanating in the frequency spectrum of light, this device is a collection process from the same type of energy, just in different wavelengths. If there are multiple, natural frequencies emanating from the earth’s magnetic fields, and a tuned filter is calibrated to pick up these frequencies and the harmonics of them, there is no “over-unity” involved because there is no artificial power input to measure and create a “benchmark” of the standard “output = input minus loss” equation.

The output is simply dependent upon the load and the current carrying capacity of the components the device is built with. The input is theoretically infinite, but the effects of disrupting the natural flux of earth’s atmosphere by tapping into these waves is something that may require investigation prior to large scale implementation.

Since we seem to enjoy references from movies starring Jeff Goldblum, perhaps this one may strike a chord of familiarity (perhaps a bit ad-libbed):

“Science can get so wrapped up in trying to figure out if they CAN do something, they often forget to question whether they SHOULD”. (Jurassic Park)

Brian

Avagadro

Science has progressed much since the 1800’s when men never imagined going to the moon.

To use the claim that in the past people derided ideas that eventually came true is akin to saying anything is possible. That statement of yours is devoid of any logic whatsoever. It is the most absolute desperate form of argument that inventors and their fans use when they have nothing else.

Why has there never been an independent test of this concept? It is because the inventors need to be in control to make the show perform as they want.

I keep my mind open but use logic and do not fall victim to showmen. I ask for proof, when there is none, I know why, it is because the concept is a fraud, plain and simple. If you choose to believe these ideas without proof, go for it, you are not the only one. History is full of frauds perpetrated upon the gullible who never bothered to use common sense and say “prove it” until is is proven it is just words – CLAIMS – UNPROVEN CLAIMS. Part of the scientific system is for an experiment to be repeatable, to be repeatable by others. Remember “cold fusion”, it could not be duplicated by others and was debunked, that is how science operates.

Avagadro

Science has progressed much since the 1800’s when men never imagined going to the moon.

To use the claim that in the past people derided ideas that eventually came true is akin to saying anything is possible. That statement of yours is devoid of any logic whatsoever. It is the most absolute desperate form of argument that inventors and their fans use when they have nothing else.

Why has there never been an independent test of this concept? It is because the inventors need to be in control to make the show perform as they want.

I keep my mind open but use logic and do not fall victim to showmen. I ask for proof, when there is none, I know why, it is because the concept is a fraud, plain and simple. If you choose to believe these ideas without proof, go for it, you are not the only one. History is full of frauds perpetrated upon the gullible who never bothered to use common sense and say “prove it” until is is proven it is just words – CLAIMS – UNPROVEN CLAIMS. Part of the scientific system is for an experiment to be repeatable, to be repeatable by others. Remember “cold fusion”, it could not be duplicated by others and was debunked, that is how science operates.

Squashoil

The way science operates is completely dependent upon FUNDING. The results of “independent testing” are at the mercy of those that fund the tests. Additionally, those results can be “bought” by other “independent” entities and therefore never see the light of day.

I have seen no advertising whatsoever for this device. No attempts to sell or defraud anyone for access to the designs, and I have seen videos of other people following the circuit design with some success.

Avagadro, again, all you are doing is accusing of fraud, not debating the science IN THE LEAST. Which points to denial through fear that it could be real.

Come up with something that proves it couldn’t work, otherwise, you are nothing but a propaganda spreader, same as everyone else attempting to debunk any and all references to powering vehicles with air.

Brian

Squashoil

The way science operates is completely dependent upon FUNDING. The results of “independent testing” are at the mercy of those that fund the tests. Additionally, those results can be “bought” by other “independent” entities and therefore never see the light of day.

I have seen no advertising whatsoever for this device. No attempts to sell or defraud anyone for access to the designs, and I have seen videos of other people following the circuit design with some success.

Avagadro, again, all you are doing is accusing of fraud, not debating the science IN THE LEAST. Which points to denial through fear that it could be real.

Come up with something that proves it couldn’t work, otherwise, you are nothing but a propaganda spreader, same as everyone else attempting to debunk any and all references to powering vehicles with air.

Brian

Lance

It is not up to anyone to prove it does not work. Why waste time proving a negative. That is again a form of desperation. You claim to know science and have a degree, it is up to the inventor to prove it works.

“I have a very special device that traps energy and concentrates it by a special mechanism, it will power the world. But, I really do not want to get rich from it, I will just make a video and move on to something else”. Is that to be believed? What a laugh,

As to and independent test, that claim that it would not be fair is a how these “inventors” think, that is because they need the control to orchestrate their fraud. These frauds never trusts others because they know how they themselves behave.

Are we to believe that this world changing idea is languishing in someones basement with all of the money involved? Again, maybe you are used to speaking to idiots, but most of us are not, that is why we ask for proof.

Seriously how much funding would it cost, are we to believe there are no independent people around?

A video can be easily faked, until proven you are just going on faith in people you do not know, I would bet your basement is full of all of those items advertised on TV.

Simple minds are easily fooled, that is the truth. Prove that wrong.

Lance

It is not up to anyone to prove it does not work. Why waste time proving a negative. That is again a form of desperation. You claim to know science and have a degree, it is up to the inventor to prove it works.

“I have a very special device that traps energy and concentrates it by a special mechanism, it will power the world. But, I really do not want to get rich from it, I will just make a video and move on to something else”. Is that to be believed? What a laugh,

As to and independent test, that claim that it would not be fair is a how these “inventors” think, that is because they need the control to orchestrate their fraud. These frauds never trusts others because they know how they themselves behave.

Are we to believe that this world changing idea is languishing in someones basement with all of the money involved? Again, maybe you are used to speaking to idiots, but most of us are not, that is why we ask for proof.

Seriously how much funding would it cost, are we to believe there are no independent people around?

A video can be easily faked, until proven you are just going on faith in people you do not know, I would bet your basement is full of all of those items advertised on TV.

Simple minds are easily fooled, that is the truth. Prove that wrong.

Ravi Sharma

Mr Squashoil, Go ahead and believe in those unproven devices, you must have an innate need to feel as if you know something special. But even though there exists no proof at all for the device to work, you ask for others to disprove it? You say you act professional but go on as a simple fool, it is not up to anyone to disprove a technology or concept, the proof falls upon the person making the claim. Any other sort of verification process would lead to much wasted time,as scientists try to disprove something that does not exist, like these frauds.

Do you not understand that in science an experiment must be repeatable, and it must be repeatable by others, anything less leaves too much room for the manipulation of the demonstration by the person making the claim.

The reason posters act as they due towards you is because you are completely outside the bounds of science to go on as you do about an unproven device.

I know I have no agenda but the truth, and there is no reason to spend time wondering if it is possible or not, why waste time, you either prove it works, if you do not prove it, we all know why, it is because it does not work, very simple. Nobody puts aside a world changing technology in their basement, and as for those conspiracy theories, save that line of desperation for a lesser crowd, it holds no weight with most of us, maybe your friends fall for that, but please do not insult our intelligence with that, it is 2009 and there is instantaneous transmission of information, so good ideas do not die, like the device in the video did. The conspiracy theory is just a diversion to lead the argument in another direction, you want people to disprove the conspiracy theory, it is always “disprove” when a person has nothing that they can prove. The annals of scientific frauds are full of your type of claims,arguments, and laughable conspiracies, like the 300 mpg carburetor, or the air car.

Ravi Sharma

Mr Squashoil, Go ahead and believe in those unproven devices, you must have an innate need to feel as if you know something special. But even though there exists no proof at all for the device to work, you ask for others to disprove it? You say you act professional but go on as a simple fool, it is not up to anyone to disprove a technology or concept, the proof falls upon the person making the claim. Any other sort of verification process would lead to much wasted time,as scientists try to disprove something that does not exist, like these frauds.

Do you not understand that in science an experiment must be repeatable, and it must be repeatable by others, anything less leaves too much room for the manipulation of the demonstration by the person making the claim.

The reason posters act as they due towards you is because you are completely outside the bounds of science to go on as you do about an unproven device.

I know I have no agenda but the truth, and there is no reason to spend time wondering if it is possible or not, why waste time, you either prove it works, if you do not prove it, we all know why, it is because it does not work, very simple. Nobody puts aside a world changing technology in their basement, and as for those conspiracy theories, save that line of desperation for a lesser crowd, it holds no weight with most of us, maybe your friends fall for that, but please do not insult our intelligence with that, it is 2009 and there is instantaneous transmission of information, so good ideas do not die, like the device in the video did. The conspiracy theory is just a diversion to lead the argument in another direction, you want people to disprove the conspiracy theory, it is always “disprove” when a person has nothing that they can prove. The annals of scientific frauds are full of your type of claims,arguments, and laughable conspiracies, like the 300 mpg carburetor, or the air car.

Avagadro

A quite simple method of verifying the whether the “Magic RF Energy Concentrating Ring” is a viable technology. A brief glance at the electric meter at the inventors house will prove if it works or not. If the electric meter registers usage, we know the device does not work. You then ask to see any past electric bills, (of course you must verify their authenticity) if they register usage, the device is a fraud.

There would be no reason for the inventor to be on the grid if he could pull the electricity out of thin air.

But conspiracy theorists might say, “if the electric company sees a drop in usage, they will send a death squad out to eliminate the people who dare not use their power”.

I know when my neighbors go to Florida each year I see masked men staking out their house to “eliminate” them. Or when my friends shut off service, when they moved to a new residence, the “Company” (Electric), thinking they invented a new power source, used “Death Rays” to vaporize their vacant home, thank heavens it was empty. You must realize these stories are true because the “Powers” that be will not take any chances losing their hold on the energy market.

Back in the real world; If they are continuing to use electricity, the device is a fraud.

I never heard of anyone getting “Eliminated” by going off the grid as quite a few people have.

So as others aid before, use the conspiracy stories on a lesser crowd, they hold no weight among the educated. Are we to believe any new technology to get folks off the grid will be met with death? Go back into Wonderland with Alice, but watch out for the “Masked Men” and always use electricity, even waste it if you must, because you must feign usage to protect your life, (Only applies to Wonderland), the rest of us are safe.

Avagadro

A quite simple method of verifying the whether the “Magic RF Energy Concentrating Ring” is a viable technology. A brief glance at the electric meter at the inventors house will prove if it works or not. If the electric meter registers usage, we know the device does not work. You then ask to see any past electric bills, (of course you must verify their authenticity) if they register usage, the device is a fraud.

There would be no reason for the inventor to be on the grid if he could pull the electricity out of thin air.

But conspiracy theorists might say, “if the electric company sees a drop in usage, they will send a death squad out to eliminate the people who dare not use their power”.

I know when my neighbors go to Florida each year I see masked men staking out their house to “eliminate” them. Or when my friends shut off service, when they moved to a new residence, the “Company” (Electric), thinking they invented a new power source, used “Death Rays” to vaporize their vacant home, thank heavens it was empty. You must realize these stories are true because the “Powers” that be will not take any chances losing their hold on the energy market.

Back in the real world; If they are continuing to use electricity, the device is a fraud.

I never heard of anyone getting “Eliminated” by going off the grid as quite a few people have.

So as others aid before, use the conspiracy stories on a lesser crowd, they hold no weight among the educated. Are we to believe any new technology to get folks off the grid will be met with death? Go back into Wonderland with Alice, but watch out for the “Masked Men” and always use electricity, even waste it if you must, because you must feign usage to protect your life, (Only applies to Wonderland), the rest of us are safe.

Lance aLot

To prove the air car does not work is not necessary, the fact that they have been lying and making excuses for 10 years is enough for me to know it is a fraud directed at those desperate for a new technology, but not smart enough to use common sense to realize, it is not happening.

On the scientific side, if one has the education in fluid dynamics, and an understanding of energy and thermodynamics , a few short calculations is all that is needed to prove the air car will not do what they claim.

To create high pressure compressed air wastes massive amounts of energy, the heat of compression is a total loss of part of the energy, the mechanical friction of the compressor is another loss, and then as the air is expanded its cooling is further energy that is not realized, the lower temp of expanded air inhibits utilization of its entire potential energy.

Take that info along with the ridiculously small amount of energy contained in the tank, and you have a vehicle that will not go very far as demonstrated by their test vehicle traveling a laughable 7.22 km.As other person said, $2.00 of electricity is 20 kw hr, subtract at least 40% for losses from compression and all that is left is 12 kilowatt hours and a lot of promises, that will be enough for a round or two of golf. So not only do they lie about the energy cost, they lie about the distance it could travel, the dates of manufacture, that come and go with no production, their business alliances, their suppliers, and yet some still believe. There are who have the ability to reason, and educate themselves when new “technology” comes around and tell others it is without merit, a foolish dream.

If you educate yourself and look at situations objectively it is quite easy to realize when an inventor speaks with forked tongue. MDI puts on a great show, that is until you know the underlying science. By the way, I know a gentleman in Nigeria who needs help getting money out of the country, you could make millions just for helping him out, I know it is true because I understand these type of situations, for those of you who do not believe, prove him wrong, just prove he does not have access to this money. Besides that if you send this one lady money to cover the cost of being executor of this will she will happily give you half of the money, I know this is true because a video on YOUTUBE showed her with all of the documents, these are certified documents form her country, she is waiting, prove that it is not true, MR Squashoil. She needs your help, think of all of the money, all for you.

Lance aLot

To prove the air car does not work is not necessary, the fact that they have been lying and making excuses for 10 years is enough for me to know it is a fraud directed at those desperate for a new technology, but not smart enough to use common sense to realize, it is not happening.

On the scientific side, if one has the education in fluid dynamics, and an understanding of energy and thermodynamics , a few short calculations is all that is needed to prove the air car will not do what they claim.

To create high pressure compressed air wastes massive amounts of energy, the heat of compression is a total loss of part of the energy, the mechanical friction of the compressor is another loss, and then as the air is expanded its cooling is further energy that is not realized, the lower temp of expanded air inhibits utilization of its entire potential energy.

Take that info along with the ridiculously small amount of energy contained in the tank, and you have a vehicle that will not go very far as demonstrated by their test vehicle traveling a laughable 7.22 km.As other person said, $2.00 of electricity is 20 kw hr, subtract at least 40% for losses from compression and all that is left is 12 kilowatt hours and a lot of promises, that will be enough for a round or two of golf. So not only do they lie about the energy cost, they lie about the distance it could travel, the dates of manufacture, that come and go with no production, their business alliances, their suppliers, and yet some still believe. There are who have the ability to reason, and educate themselves when new “technology” comes around and tell others it is without merit, a foolish dream.

If you educate yourself and look at situations objectively it is quite easy to realize when an inventor speaks with forked tongue. MDI puts on a great show, that is until you know the underlying science. By the way, I know a gentleman in Nigeria who needs help getting money out of the country, you could make millions just for helping him out, I know it is true because I understand these type of situations, for those of you who do not believe, prove him wrong, just prove he does not have access to this money. Besides that if you send this one lady money to cover the cost of being executor of this will she will happily give you half of the money, I know this is true because a video on YOUTUBE showed her with all of the documents, these are certified documents form her country, she is waiting, prove that it is not true, MR Squashoil. She needs your help, think of all of the money, all for you.

Mort Webb

Just remember it is not just an “Air Car”. It is a “Hot Air Car” because that is all we receive from the developers, hot air.

They should really change their company to the “Church of the Hot Air Car” because you really must have faith to believe them, and then any investment would be tax deductible. Then again, I guess the investments will be deductible in the current situation, as any investment is going to be a total loss.

Mort Webb

Just remember it is not just an “Air Car”. It is a “Hot Air Car” because that is all we receive from the developers, hot air.

They should really change their company to the “Church of the Hot Air Car” because you really must have faith to believe them, and then any investment would be tax deductible. Then again, I guess the investments will be deductible in the current situation, as any investment is going to be a total loss.

Marcus

I have all of the proof needed to prove the energy device does not work, but it is in my garage. it might seem simple to go into the garage and get it, but in my garage lives a large fire breathing dragon, that lives by sucking microscopic particles out of the air, that is all he needs to live. So I can guarantee that I can prove the energy device does not work, but the dragon will not let me near the evidence. Ask anyone who know me they know I do not lie. My dragon even starred in a few movies when he was nicer, so I assure you the proof exists, now you must prove it does not exist. I can provide many people who know the evidence exists also, and have seen the dragon in the movies, so they know it is real. So Mr Squashoil, come up with proof that I do not have proof of the device being a fraud, I will bet you can not.

Marcus

I have all of the proof needed to prove the energy device does not work, but it is in my garage. it might seem simple to go into the garage and get it, but in my garage lives a large fire breathing dragon, that lives by sucking microscopic particles out of the air, that is all he needs to live. So I can guarantee that I can prove the energy device does not work, but the dragon will not let me near the evidence. Ask anyone who know me they know I do not lie. My dragon even starred in a few movies when he was nicer, so I assure you the proof exists, now you must prove it does not exist. I can provide many people who know the evidence exists also, and have seen the dragon in the movies, so they know it is real. So Mr Squashoil, come up with proof that I do not have proof of the device being a fraud, I will bet you can not.

Francois LeMonde

I must say, what a pathetic sort you air car aficionados are, trusting in a proven liar, believing that he has succeeded where many better men have failed. This inventor even lies concerning his experience, he most certainly was not a “successful” Formula One engineer, unless you would judge success as simply trying, his motorcars were eliminated in the trials, they never participated in any races.

AS to Mr. Negre’s Air Car history, it is a history full of misrepresentations and outright lies, for example:

Production of Taxis starting in Mexico in 2002, never occurred.

Production to start in South Africa in 2003, never occurred.

Claiming Tata Motors would start production in 2008, never occurred.

Tata Motors in Fall of last year laid that claim to rest, stating they have no production plans at all.

Claim to have arrangements with Airbus to supply carbon fiber high pressure tanks, Airbus outsources most of their carbon fiber production, actually purchasing carbon fiber tanks from Yokohoma in Japan.

The claim that $2.00 of electricity will provide enough electricity to compress air to pressurize the tank and travel 120 miles or so. I believe another poster covered the impossibility of such a small amount of energy transporting a vehicle that distance.

A review of their website over the years was quite laughable, the claims that a test run of 7.22 Km would translate to an actual real world driving distance of 200 or so Km. They provided a chart detailing the increase in range provided by planned

modifications of the engine, that were quite ridiculous to anyone with knowledge of engines.

MDI’s website at one time even went so far as to use the illogical statement “that men once said we would never walk on the moon, and now look it has happened”

“logic” of that sort, or rather attempts at logic as that, really are what is resorted to when actual proof does not exist for what is claimed.

The use of examples such as “they said this or that would never happen and it did” is such a poor attempt at an argument that it alone would make one question the lack of proof.

You can not use other occurrences that did happen, to prove that your concept will happen, there exists such a disconnect it makes one question its intended audience, or maybe they are correct in making such statements because if a person believes that attempt at reason, they are perfect candidates for investors in their “technology”.

I would suppose MDI feels that if an individual contacts them for investment information, the hard labor is complete, they have in fact caught their “Fish” they just need to reel it in. Because if a person is still interested in their concept after years of lies, misrepresentations, and twisted logic, they will make for the perfect investor due to the ease in which they can be manipulated. What is it they say about fools and their money?

Francois LeMonde

I must say, what a pathetic sort you air car aficionados are, trusting in a proven liar, believing that he has succeeded where many better men have failed. This inventor even lies concerning his experience, he most certainly was not a “successful” Formula One engineer, unless you would judge success as simply trying, his motorcars were eliminated in the trials, they never participated in any races.

AS to Mr. Negre’s Air Car history, it is a history full of misrepresentations and outright lies, for example:

Production of Taxis starting in Mexico in 2002, never occurred.

Production to start in South Africa in 2003, never occurred.

Claiming Tata Motors would start production in 2008, never occurred.

Tata Motors in Fall of last year laid that claim to rest, stating they have no production plans at all.

Claim to have arrangements with Airbus to supply carbon fiber high pressure tanks, Airbus outsources most of their carbon fiber production, actually purchasing carbon fiber tanks from Yokohoma in Japan.

The claim that $2.00 of electricity will provide enough electricity to compress air to pressurize the tank and travel 120 miles or so. I believe another poster covered the impossibility of such a small amount of energy transporting a vehicle that distance.

A review of their website over the years was quite laughable, the claims that a test run of 7.22 Km would translate to an actual real world driving distance of 200 or so Km. They provided a chart detailing the increase in range provided by planned

modifications of the engine, that were quite ridiculous to anyone with knowledge of engines.

MDI’s website at one time even went so far as to use the illogical statement “that men once said we would never walk on the moon, and now look it has happened”

“logic” of that sort, or rather attempts at logic as that, really are what is resorted to when actual proof does not exist for what is claimed.

The use of examples such as “they said this or that would never happen and it did” is such a poor attempt at an argument that it alone would make one question the lack of proof.

You can not use other occurrences that did happen, to prove that your concept will happen, there exists such a disconnect it makes one question its intended audience, or maybe they are correct in making such statements because if a person believes that attempt at reason, they are perfect candidates for investors in their “technology”.

I would suppose MDI feels that if an individual contacts them for investment information, the hard labor is complete, they have in fact caught their “Fish” they just need to reel it in. Because if a person is still interested in their concept after years of lies, misrepresentations, and twisted logic, they will make for the perfect investor due to the ease in which they can be manipulated. What is it they say about fools and their money?

Squashoil

All responses since my last post reek of desperation and FEAR. All the way through this thread, I’ve noiced certain individuals spending exorbitant amounts of energies bashing the entire concept of using energies not related to the burning (destruction) of some type of organic (life) substance. The motivation is highly transparent (at least to me).

Here is a topic that was started about using air power in conjunction with a burning fuel source and it was all acceptable as a form of propulsion, but as soon as the concept is changed to eliminate PROFIT from existing technologies, the discussion has turned to accusations of fraud, lack of knowledge, irrelevant energy losses, everything under the sun that can possibly dissuade people from pursuing a very viable, naturally occurring energy solution that actually cleans the air instead of discharging pollutants.

Judging from the immediacy and volume of response to my posts from particular individuals, it seems pretty obvious that these subjects are being monitored closely and swift, (attempted) effective negativity is purposely being added as an anti-media

propaganda effort most likely by individuals that are paid by big oil to turn attention away from legitimate alternative energy sources.

I brought up the Steven Mark videos on this very site about a month ago in a forum-like free speech area that USED TO exist. I had entered a query regarding this technology in the “Ask an Expert/ Be the Expert” or similarly named segment, and in less than 2 weeks, not only was the segment removed, but THE ENTIRE AREA OF FREE SPEECH was deleted from this site.

How long will it be before my access is completely denied to replying to this article?

Brian

Squashoil

All responses since my last post reek of desperation and FEAR. All the way through this thread, I’ve noiced certain individuals spending exorbitant amounts of energies bashing the entire concept of using energies not related to the burning (destruction) of some type of organic (life) substance. The motivation is highly transparent (at least to me).

Here is a topic that was started about using air power in conjunction with a burning fuel source and it was all acceptable as a form of propulsion, but as soon as the concept is changed to eliminate PROFIT from existing technologies, the discussion has turned to accusations of fraud, lack of knowledge, irrelevant energy losses, everything under the sun that can possibly dissuade people from pursuing a very viable, naturally occurring energy solution that actually cleans the air instead of discharging pollutants.

Judging from the immediacy and volume of response to my posts from particular individuals, it seems pretty obvious that these subjects are being monitored closely and swift, (attempted) effective negativity is purposely being added as an anti-media

propaganda effort most likely by individuals that are paid by big oil to turn attention away from legitimate alternative energy sources.

I brought up the Steven Mark videos on this very site about a month ago in a forum-like free speech area that USED TO exist. I had entered a query regarding this technology in the “Ask an Expert/ Be the Expert” or similarly named segment, and in less than 2 weeks, not only was the segment removed, but THE ENTIRE AREA OF FREE SPEECH was deleted from this site.

How long will it be before my access is completely denied to replying to this article?

Brian

lance

Brian,

It is not a legitimate source until it is proven, what about that do you not understand?

I know I look at your posts as pure entertainment, I find it so interesting that a supposed educated person can even consider these energy devices, that exist in a poorly lit video, do you realize how ignorant you sound, saying to others “prove it does not work” you really sound childish.

It is incumbent on the inventor to provide proof, and not in a prepared production, a proof that can be repeated by others. As for a conspiracy against you, do you really think you are that important?

OK everybody, let us all ignore Brian’s nonsense, let him post, but do not comment.He just thrives on the attention, he knows what he says in nonsense, just needs to feel important

This rant about some sort of conspiracy is nothing more than people frustrated by your narrow minded views.

Just because you think an idea will work, does not mean it will work, you are one of those people who really enjoys the attention your ridiculous statements brings to you. This is the last I respond to your absolute stupidity, “prove it does not work”, and you say you have a degree in EE, If you did you surely do not understand the way science works.

I would bet your professors would be embarrassed by your posts.

BTW you love the attention it makes you feel as if you know something, but in reality you are looked upon as a town idiot.

lance

Brian,

It is not a legitimate source until it is proven, what about that do you not understand?

I know I look at your posts as pure entertainment, I find it so interesting that a supposed educated person can even consider these energy devices, that exist in a poorly lit video, do you realize how ignorant you sound, saying to others “prove it does not work” you really sound childish.

It is incumbent on the inventor to provide proof, and not in a prepared production, a proof that can be repeated by others. As for a conspiracy against you, do you really think you are that important?

OK everybody, let us all ignore Brian’s nonsense, let him post, but do not comment.He just thrives on the attention, he knows what he says in nonsense, just needs to feel important

This rant about some sort of conspiracy is nothing more than people frustrated by your narrow minded views.

Just because you think an idea will work, does not mean it will work, you are one of those people who really enjoys the attention your ridiculous statements brings to you. This is the last I respond to your absolute stupidity, “prove it does not work”, and you say you have a degree in EE, If you did you surely do not understand the way science works.

I would bet your professors would be embarrassed by your posts.

BTW you love the attention it makes you feel as if you know something, but in reality you are looked upon as a town idiot.

marcus

Do you actually believe that what is said here somehow influences that path towards alternative energy?

Get a life, you have no sense of reality.

You say that we write back because the profit of energy companies will be gone, you make these statements as if the energy device works, face it,it does not, do you even have a clue how the world works? hint: It does not work the way the individuals on these pseudo science sites think it does. You need to get out more, get some fresh air.

Why waste time debating the science, and get wrapped up in an argument with someone who believes YOU TUBE videos are proof of a new energy source.

The fact it was never seen again says it all, it is a fraud.

marcus

Do you actually believe that what is said here somehow influences that path towards alternative energy?

Get a life, you have no sense of reality.

You say that we write back because the profit of energy companies will be gone, you make these statements as if the energy device works, face it,it does not, do you even have a clue how the world works? hint: It does not work the way the individuals on these pseudo science sites think it does. You need to get out more, get some fresh air.

Why waste time debating the science, and get wrapped up in an argument with someone who believes YOU TUBE videos are proof of a new energy source.

The fact it was never seen again says it all, it is a fraud.

Evil Exxon

Big oil has no fear of the frauds, just as car companies have no fear of the air car.

Why fear something that is essentially just words or a magic show.

Otherwise It would be similar to a rabbit salesman being afraid that a magician will put him out of business since he can pull rabbits out of his hat, and the salesman needs to raise the rabbits and feed them.

Evil Exxon

Big oil has no fear of the frauds, just as car companies have no fear of the air car.

Why fear something that is essentially just words or a magic show.

Otherwise It would be similar to a rabbit salesman being afraid that a magician will put him out of business since he can pull rabbits out of his hat, and the salesman needs to raise the rabbits and feed them.

Stu Zalar

I am an engineer having received 6 patents for applications to improve the efficiency of steam turbines. I am currently employed by one of the “evil” energy companies. At our company facilities we employ the use of many large air compressors to power various devices, more on that later.

Having spent decades working in the industry I can state unequivocally that at no time did I ever hear anyone in the ranks of executives to laborers express any fear from “Perpetual Motion” devices or “Energy From Thin Air” devices.

Judging by previous posts I realize Mr. Squashoil will accuse me of having some sort of agenda, so be it.

These proponents that assert that some sort of conspiracy exist against new technology are nothing new. I see a comment refer to the 300 mpg carburetor, which was supposedly bought up by the oil companies, that claim has been around for years also.

The elephant in the room that they do not discuss is the absence for proof that these new technologies actually worked. At some point these paranoid cheerleaders must simply be dismissed, they begin to sound a bit like a scratched record, “prove it does not work, prove it does not work”.

Even a beginner in a scientific field is aware of the need for proof prior to the acceptance of an idea. Could you imagine the time squandered if science had to disprove every hare brained scheme or device? It is incumbent upon the claimant to prove the viability of an invention, anything less is unacceptable.

There are not large costs in testing a device as was

asserted by Squashoil, the matter of the device he referred to in the video, can be tested in 30 minutes. There is no need for discussion of the science behind the device, it either works as they say or not.

As to the car by MDI, as stated prior I have years of experience with air compressor technology also.

I will not bother to delve into the calculations that detail the energy losses in compression and expansion of air, or the energy content of the tank they are rather cumbersome , but easily available if you are able to perform basic research on the web.

MDI through its inability to present a vehicle with more than a few miles of range, while at the same time issuing production dates for taxis in Mexico City, actually reveal their true character, they will say whatever is necessary to lure the eager investor while not having a vehicle worthy of production. When a company issues statement after statement, which contain soon to be unrealized promises, they must be relegated to the realm where others who speak lofty but come up short on substance eventually find themselves, footnotes in the history of frauds. The compendium of their lies is filled with promises and claims that prove nothing more than “talk is cheap”.

The propagation of electromagnetic waves from its source leads to an energy level that decreases by the square of the distance. We know what the theoretical energy level available from sunlight is, we know the source and can measure its strength. One must simply measure the intensity of the waves at the portal of the device, and calculate the energy content. All waves a measurable, you simply measure the strength of the waves through an area the size of the device and calculate the energy content. Any claim to somehow gather wave energy beyond the bounds of the device is pure prevarication and must be ignored. A black hole or another gravity sink on that level would be the only situation where waves could be funneled and concentrated, unless large concentrating reflectors are used, and there were none in the video.

If you compare the energy available from the sun and the claims by the inventor is it obviously a fraud.

That is why it never existed except in a home made video.

Stu Zalar

I am an engineer having received 6 patents for applications to improve the efficiency of steam turbines. I am currently employed by one of the “evil” energy companies. At our company facilities we employ the use of many large air compressors to power various devices, more on that later.

Having spent decades working in the industry I can state unequivocally that at no time did I ever hear anyone in the ranks of executives to laborers express any fear from “Perpetual Motion” devices or “Energy From Thin Air” devices.

Judging by previous posts I realize Mr. Squashoil will accuse me of having some sort of agenda, so be it.

These proponents that assert that some sort of conspiracy exist against new technology are nothing new. I see a comment refer to the 300 mpg carburetor, which was supposedly bought up by the oil companies, that claim has been around for years also.

The elephant in the room that they do not discuss is the absence for proof that these new technologies actually worked. At some point these paranoid cheerleaders must simply be dismissed, they begin to sound a bit like a scratched record, “prove it does not work, prove it does not work”.

Even a beginner in a scientific field is aware of the need for proof prior to the acceptance of an idea. Could you imagine the time squandered if science had to disprove every hare brained scheme or device? It is incumbent upon the claimant to prove the viability of an invention, anything less is unacceptable.

There are not large costs in testing a device as was

asserted by Squashoil, the matter of the device he referred to in the video, can be tested in 30 minutes. There is no need for discussion of the science behind the device, it either works as they say or not.

As to the car by MDI, as stated prior I have years of experience with air compressor technology also.

I will not bother to delve into the calculations that detail the energy losses in compression and expansion of air, or the energy content of the tank they are rather cumbersome , but easily available if you are able to perform basic research on the web.

MDI through its inability to present a vehicle with more than a few miles of range, while at the same time issuing production dates for taxis in Mexico City, actually reveal their true character, they will say whatever is necessary to lure the eager investor while not having a vehicle worthy of production. When a company issues statement after statement, which contain soon to be unrealized promises, they must be relegated to the realm where others who speak lofty but come up short on substance eventually find themselves, footnotes in the history of frauds. The compendium of their lies is filled with promises and claims that prove nothing more than “talk is cheap”.

The propagation of electromagnetic waves from its source leads to an energy level that decreases by the square of the distance. We know what the theoretical energy level available from sunlight is, we know the source and can measure its strength. One must simply measure the intensity of the waves at the portal of the device, and calculate the energy content. All waves a measurable, you simply measure the strength of the waves through an area the size of the device and calculate the energy content. Any claim to somehow gather wave energy beyond the bounds of the device is pure prevarication and must be ignored. A black hole or another gravity sink on that level would be the only situation where waves could be funneled and concentrated, unless large concentrating reflectors are used, and there were none in the video.

If you compare the energy available from the sun and the claims by the inventor is it obviously a fraud.

That is why it never existed except in a home made video.

Buzz Lightyear

To believe that somehow the device in the video could have theoretical infinite input is ridiculous, and on top of that he claims it would upset the atmosphere. Boy we have a live one here folks. The theoretical maximum amount energy available from these waves would be the amount of energy that actually strikes the device. That amount can be measured and summed up.

It would definitely be lower than the amount of energy that could be collected from a solar device the same size.

Only a large concentrated mass such as a black hole has been shown to pull waves off course enough to change their path significantly.

Any claim otherwise violates proven manner in which waves propagate.

Buzz Lightyear

To believe that somehow the device in the video could have theoretical infinite input is ridiculous, and on top of that he claims it would upset the atmosphere. Boy we have a live one here folks. The theoretical maximum amount energy available from these waves would be the amount of energy that actually strikes the device. That amount can be measured and summed up.

It would definitely be lower than the amount of energy that could be collected from a solar device the same size.

Only a large concentrated mass such as a black hole has been shown to pull waves off course enough to change their path significantly.

Any claim otherwise violates proven manner in which waves propagate.

Squashoil

It’s quite possible that the device actually does work, but it is also possible that the location of the test was right next door to a radio tower and the the device was tuned to pick up the frequency of the station broadcasting at 5, 10, 20 KW, I don’t know.

I’ve heard of people sitting under high tension power lines with a simple isolation transformer and be able to tap power from the electromagnetic radiation emitted, it’s not a large stretch of the imagination to do the same with radio towers, but if there are indeed NATURALLY occurring frequencies and harmonics from the earth that can be tapped for the power frequency (5 khz as stated in the video) and a secondary frequency that can be tapped and turned to pulsating DC to use as the bias for a couple of power transistors and associated circuitry, I can:

1. See this as a world-changing free energy source

2. See this as a HUGE threat to the corporations holding the cards keeping everyone enslaved to the power grid where electricity can be metered and therefore charged per kw/h.

3. See why Tesla died penniless when he originally proposed this concept decades ago and was shot down in flames because it wasn’t profitable.

I’ll repeat: The Mayan calendar accurately outlined a sequence of events that Earth would follow, one of these predictions involved the advent of free power for everyone, and that historic milestone has already passed. We currently have the ability to supply everyone on the planet with free energy, and it is the current white knuckle grip of the last age that is preventing it from being released.

The “naysayers” regarding these types of technologies do not make any sense. We should ALL be viewing these options with open minds and open hearts, not maliciously sabotaging concepts with negative dialogue and accusatory statement of purposeful fraud.

Brian

Squashoil

It’s quite possible that the device actually does work, but it is also possible that the location of the test was right next door to a radio tower and the the device was tuned to pick up the frequency of the station broadcasting at 5, 10, 20 KW, I don’t know.

I’ve heard of people sitting under high tension power lines with a simple isolation transformer and be able to tap power from the electromagnetic radiation emitted, it’s not a large stretch of the imagination to do the same with radio towers, but if there are indeed NATURALLY occurring frequencies and harmonics from the earth that can be tapped for the power frequency (5 khz as stated in the video) and a secondary frequency that can be tapped and turned to pulsating DC to use as the bias for a couple of power transistors and associated circuitry, I can:

1. See this as a world-changing free energy source

2. See this as a HUGE threat to the corporations holding the cards keeping everyone enslaved to the power grid where electricity can be metered and therefore charged per kw/h.

3. See why Tesla died penniless when he originally proposed this concept decades ago and was shot down in flames because it wasn’t profitable.

I’ll repeat: The Mayan calendar accurately outlined a sequence of events that Earth would follow, one of these predictions involved the advent of free power for everyone, and that historic milestone has already passed. We currently have the ability to supply everyone on the planet with free energy, and it is the current white knuckle grip of the last age that is preventing it from being released.

The “naysayers” regarding these types of technologies do not make any sense. We should ALL be viewing these options with open minds and open hearts, not maliciously sabotaging concepts with negative dialogue and accusatory statement of purposeful fraud.

Brian

Sherman the German

Please, Oh energy master, don’t bother envisioning situations in which that device might work. You are wasting our time with this nonsense, naturally occurring RF would not have the strength to power a light bulb if collected with a device that size. there is no concentration of EM waves going on there, face it it was a video, a production, just to get the eager country bumpkins like you excited. What type of turnip truck was that?

And Mayan calendars, quit the nonsense already you are really annoying already, what next, hydrogen generators for cars, as foretold by Nostradamus. Go back to your comic books, adults are trying to have intelligent conversations here.

The amount of energy leaked from power lines is spread over such a large area, it is not worth capturing, otherwise they would, it is just that simple, get it?

Sherman the German

Please, Oh energy master, don’t bother envisioning situations in which that device might work. You are wasting our time with this nonsense, naturally occurring RF would not have the strength to power a light bulb if collected with a device that size. there is no concentration of EM waves going on there, face it it was a video, a production, just to get the eager country bumpkins like you excited. What type of turnip truck was that?

And Mayan calendars, quit the nonsense already you are really annoying already, what next, hydrogen generators for cars, as foretold by Nostradamus. Go back to your comic books, adults are trying to have intelligent conversations here.

The amount of energy leaked from power lines is spread over such a large area, it is not worth capturing, otherwise they would, it is just that simple, get it?

Avagadro

The lowest Am broadcast frequency is the US is 540 khz, so there is no way the power can be tapped by a device operating to collect 5 khz. Do not make excuses for these frauds, you can not pick and choose what to believe, if they say 5 khz, then 5 khz it is.

So there is no way were they using energy from an antenna.

Avagadro

The lowest Am broadcast frequency is the US is 540 khz, so there is no way the power can be tapped by a device operating to collect 5 khz. Do not make excuses for these frauds, you can not pick and choose what to believe, if they say 5 khz, then 5 khz it is.

So there is no way were they using energy from an antenna.

Avagadro

A device the size in the video would be able to capture, 6 x 10-7 of the total output of the radio tower at a distance of 100 meters with an aperture area of .0278 square meter., the most powerful radio station operating anywhere near that frequency are 50,000 watt stations. Therefore the maximum energy to be collected with a device of the size in the video is .03 watt, so I suppose that leaves the radio tower out as a source of the power, especially as its lowest operating frequency is 110 times a high as to what the device was “tuned” to.

Avagadro

A device the size in the video would be able to capture, 6 x 10-7 of the total output of the radio tower at a distance of 100 meters with an aperture area of .0278 square meter., the most powerful radio station operating anywhere near that frequency are 50,000 watt stations. Therefore the maximum energy to be collected with a device of the size in the video is .03 watt, so I suppose that leaves the radio tower out as a source of the power, especially as its lowest operating frequency is 110 times a high as to what the device was “tuned” to.

Marcus

The device in the video has a diameter of 6 inches = .1524 meter. the total area encompassed by the device therefore is .0183 square meters.

The strength of the suns rays upon the Earth is 1367 watts per square meter. The strength of the suns rays upon an area of the size of the device is 25 watts under best conditions.

I am sure everyone has felt the suns rays, its intensity, its power. Somehow Mr. Squashoil expects some errant waves that are all around us to somehow contain 4 times the energy of the suns rays upon the Earth. Remember there is no concentration of these “waves” unless they are focused as the rays of the sun are focused in solar installations, and that is done with reflectors. All electromagnetic waves propagate in the same fashion, so therefore we know that the device can in now way output the energy that is claimed, we are not even near 100% conversion of solar energy to electrical, and we are supposed to believe that this device can convert more than the sun’s total power out of thin air? Actually 4 times the sun’s power is claimed. It is simply a fraud, that is why it is no longer seen. Back to School

Marcus

The device in the video has a diameter of 6 inches = .1524 meter. the total area encompassed by the device therefore is .0183 square meters.

The strength of the suns rays upon the Earth is 1367 watts per square meter. The strength of the suns rays upon an area of the size of the device is 25 watts under best conditions.

I am sure everyone has felt the suns rays, its intensity, its power. Somehow Mr. Squashoil expects some errant waves that are all around us to somehow contain 4 times the energy of the suns rays upon the Earth. Remember there is no concentration of these “waves” unless they are focused as the rays of the sun are focused in solar installations, and that is done with reflectors. All electromagnetic waves propagate in the same fashion, so therefore we know that the device can in now way output the energy that is claimed, we are not even near 100% conversion of solar energy to electrical, and we are supposed to believe that this device can convert more than the sun’s total power out of thin air? Actually 4 times the sun’s power is claimed. It is simply a fraud, that is why it is no longer seen. Back to School

Lance

Paranoia the destroyer, it lurks in the minds who can not believe nobody sees the world as they do. They fear conspiracies from corporations, everybody is against them because of their special knowledge, sites are being monitored by those who back the status quo, be careful who you talk to they might be working for the corporations. They know the answer but no one listens because they have vested interest in current state of affairs, where do they turn. They turn to YouTube and find like minded visionaries who know the way, the way the world must follow, or we are all doomed. Short videos here today gone tomorrow demonstrate the path that must be followed, until enough of the chosen few have access to the device it must be kept in the basement, the future of civilization depends on it or as the Mayans foretold, we are doomed.

Never mind the fact it is based on pure horseshit, and would violate the proven behavior of electromagnetic waves. But we are supposed to believe a world changing invention is out there but nobody wants to enrich themselves by marketing it.

I often wonder, what occurs in a persons physiology or nurturing that causes them to behave as complete idiots void of all logic and reason. Is there lead in that paint you are chewing on? Mr. S—–oil.

You are supposed to properly ventilate the room when using paints with highly volatile vehicles.

Why do you think there is a conspiracy?

Lance

Paranoia the destroyer, it lurks in the minds who can not believe nobody sees the world as they do. They fear conspiracies from corporations, everybody is against them because of their special knowledge, sites are being monitored by those who back the status quo, be careful who you talk to they might be working for the corporations. They know the answer but no one listens because they have vested interest in current state of affairs, where do they turn. They turn to YouTube and find like minded visionaries who know the way, the way the world must follow, or we are all doomed. Short videos here today gone tomorrow demonstrate the path that must be followed, until enough of the chosen few have access to the device it must be kept in the basement, the future of civilization depends on it or as the Mayans foretold, we are doomed.

Never mind the fact it is based on pure horseshit, and would violate the proven behavior of electromagnetic waves. But we are supposed to believe a world changing invention is out there but nobody wants to enrich themselves by marketing it.

I often wonder, what occurs in a persons physiology or nurturing that causes them to behave as complete idiots void of all logic and reason. Is there lead in that paint you are chewing on? Mr. S—–oil.

You are supposed to properly ventilate the room when using paints with highly volatile vehicles.

Why do you think there is a conspiracy?

Squashoil

Electromagnetic waves DO NOT propagate the same way. AM travels farther than FM because it can bounce off the stratosphere and the earth… while microwaves are used to penetrate the stratosphere to communicate with satellites who needs to go back to school now?

I gave an example as to how the video could be faked using power from an amplified single frequency source through a transducer (omni-directional antenna). In the video, the demonstrator used glass tables and other measures to show that he wasn’t using the electromagnetism of a transformer under the table, and the floor in the house appeared to be all marble which would probably act as a insulator to most heavy magnetic fields from below anyway.

He even took one of the devices outside and demonstrated it, which lead me to believe it was not operating from an artificial source near the initial test area.

The additional points made of 5khz being lower frequency range of radio stations are not valid either because 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th…etc harmonics of the source frequency can be picked up as well by tuned filters. My supposition about the device is that the inventor found a series of naturally occurring frequencies (noise) that have a common harmonic that can be captured and amplified using the flywheel effects and toroidal coupling characteristics of properly wound transformers.

The Earths magnetic fields are not omnidirectional, the purposefully travel North to South (or vice-versa) with tremendous force. They may not be “felt” by humans, but migratory animals certainly detect them. I have a consistent “ringing” in my ears

that I’ve learned to “tune out” that sounds to be a mish-mash of frequencies that end up resonating at around a 5khz “screech”, so the frequency used in the

device “sounds” logical (to me).

As far as being concerned about altering the natural flux of Earth by tapping into these fields, the example I gave of people tapping power under high tension wires is a prime example. It is against the law to “steal” power in this manner because it does indeed impact the amount of transmission line losses (especially if many people do it)by introducing counter-EMF back into the lines which increases the reactance (resistance) of the lines. If people tapped into Earth’s magnetic field on a large scale level, it could make it more difficult for the waves to travel North to South and disrupt the protective field these waves create against cosmic radiation.

I’m more than just “entertaining” I’m educational as well =)

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

Squashoil

Electromagnetic waves DO NOT propagate the same way. AM travels farther than FM because it can bounce off the stratosphere and the earth… while microwaves are used to penetrate the stratosphere to communicate with satellites who needs to go back to school now?

I gave an example as to how the video could be faked using power from an amplified single frequency source through a transducer (omni-directional antenna). In the video, the demonstrator used glass tables and other measures to show that he wasn’t using the electromagnetism of a transformer under the table, and the floor in the house appeared to be all marble which would probably act as a insulator to most heavy magnetic fields from below anyway.

He even took one of the devices outside and demonstrated it, which lead me to believe it was not operating from an artificial source near the initial test area.

The additional points made of 5khz being lower frequency range of radio stations are not valid either because 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th…etc harmonics of the source frequency can be picked up as well by tuned filters. My supposition about the device is that the inventor found a series of naturally occurring frequencies (noise) that have a common harmonic that can be captured and amplified using the flywheel effects and toroidal coupling characteristics of properly wound transformers.

The Earths magnetic fields are not omnidirectional, the purposefully travel North to South (or vice-versa) with tremendous force. They may not be “felt” by humans, but migratory animals certainly detect them. I have a consistent “ringing” in my ears

that I’ve learned to “tune out” that sounds to be a mish-mash of frequencies that end up resonating at around a 5khz “screech”, so the frequency used in the

device “sounds” logical (to me).

As far as being concerned about altering the natural flux of Earth by tapping into these fields, the example I gave of people tapping power under high tension wires is a prime example. It is against the law to “steal” power in this manner because it does indeed impact the amount of transmission line losses (especially if many people do it)by introducing counter-EMF back into the lines which increases the reactance (resistance) of the lines. If people tapped into Earth’s magnetic field on a large scale level, it could make it more difficult for the waves to travel North to South and disrupt the protective field these waves create against cosmic radiation.

I’m more than just “entertaining” I’m educational as well =)

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

avagadro

Waves travel away from the source and can not be concentrated except through reflection, did you miss that?

You are not going to have any more energy than lands upon the device, that is the point, you are not going to concentrate it.

As to the rest of what you say:

There is no need to debunk the device, it is made for people like you who do not understand proof is in the performance, it is gone and for good reason, it does not work.

The claim that using any of your waves would upset anything;

Oh I see now, it was not developed for our safety, not because it is a fraud. What considerate inventors they are.

Regardless of tuned frequencies, the energy is not there. Just as the energy is not there in the air car, the great fraudulent, never proven air car.

And as to the constant ringing in your ears, why did you not say that before.

That nonsense of the flywheel effects is completely without merit, it adds nothing but more words.

You will never have any more energy available than what lands upon the device.

All EM waves can be measured and summed up, very simple.

At the area covered by the device you just measure the frequency and strength and that is the maximum amount that can be collected at that point. There is no concentration of energy beyond the bounds of the device.

As to stealing energy from transmission lines, first of all, it would not be worthwhile unless you tapped the line directly. At any distance it is in the milliwatt range and not worth collecting.

The education received from you is, not to listen to fools with ringing in their ears.

As said before 4 times the maximum amount of solar energy is what the device claims, it is not happening.

When people do not provide a working example of the device to test, they try to rely on unproven technology, and unproven science. The device is like the air car, all the talk means nothing unless the device in tested by independent scientists and the claimed performance is repeatable by others.

Anything besides that is nothing but cheap talk, anyone can rant about a subject, but the truth is undeniable. The truth is obtained by testing, not talking.

It has never been tested therefore is it just a claim, an unproven claim.

avagadro

Waves travel away from the source and can not be concentrated except through reflection, did you miss that?

You are not going to have any more energy than lands upon the device, that is the point, you are not going to concentrate it.

As to the rest of what you say:

There is no need to debunk the device, it is made for people like you who do not understand proof is in the performance, it is gone and for good reason, it does not work.

The claim that using any of your waves would upset anything;

Oh I see now, it was not developed for our safety, not because it is a fraud. What considerate inventors they are.

Regardless of tuned frequencies, the energy is not there. Just as the energy is not there in the air car, the great fraudulent, never proven air car.

And as to the constant ringing in your ears, why did you not say that before.

That nonsense of the flywheel effects is completely without merit, it adds nothing but more words.

You will never have any more energy available than what lands upon the device.

All EM waves can be measured and summed up, very simple.

At the area covered by the device you just measure the frequency and strength and that is the maximum amount that can be collected at that point. There is no concentration of energy beyond the bounds of the device.

As to stealing energy from transmission lines, first of all, it would not be worthwhile unless you tapped the line directly. At any distance it is in the milliwatt range and not worth collecting.

The education received from you is, not to listen to fools with ringing in their ears.

As said before 4 times the maximum amount of solar energy is what the device claims, it is not happening.

When people do not provide a working example of the device to test, they try to rely on unproven technology, and unproven science. The device is like the air car, all the talk means nothing unless the device in tested by independent scientists and the claimed performance is repeatable by others.

Anything besides that is nothing but cheap talk, anyone can rant about a subject, but the truth is undeniable. The truth is obtained by testing, not talking.

It has never been tested therefore is it just a claim, an unproven claim.

Marcus A.

It seems as if somebody has been visiting the free energy sites, Mr Squash.

Quiet many verbose claims are contained on these free energy sites. They love to over complicate science. They feel as if they employ the use of enough convolutions, people will be impressed by their lofty claims.

Fact is none of these contraptions has ever been proven to collect any energy.

A person can spend their life going on about this wave or that field strength, and conjure up complicated reasons why the contraption works. They have a saying, I believe it is “put up or shut up”.

With the absence of a test, all of the claims by the inventors and their proponents like Mr Squash are no more than ink patterns upon a page, not useful at all, unless you are involved in researching “blind faith”

I wonder why these men are not wealthy.

Could it be, do you think it could be, just maybe, yes I suppose maybe, they are not telling the truth.

Proof is a necessary part of science, without proof, what are you to do, Talk about it?

Yeah that will solve the energy problems.

Let us reflect, they will demonstrate the energy collector on a video, but have never presented it for testing. Wonder why? Are they shy? Afraid of germs? Maybe they are dead, let us hope not., they could be solving problems more important than free energy, yeah that’s it, on to bigger and more pressing problems. Maybe they feel that we do not have any issues with energy at this time.

Or invoking Occam, it does not work, the simplest explanation.

Marcus A.

It seems as if somebody has been visiting the free energy sites, Mr Squash.

Quiet many verbose claims are contained on these free energy sites. They love to over complicate science. They feel as if they employ the use of enough convolutions, people will be impressed by their lofty claims.

Fact is none of these contraptions has ever been proven to collect any energy.

A person can spend their life going on about this wave or that field strength, and conjure up complicated reasons why the contraption works. They have a saying, I believe it is “put up or shut up”.

With the absence of a test, all of the claims by the inventors and their proponents like Mr Squash are no more than ink patterns upon a page, not useful at all, unless you are involved in researching “blind faith”

I wonder why these men are not wealthy.

Could it be, do you think it could be, just maybe, yes I suppose maybe, they are not telling the truth.

Proof is a necessary part of science, without proof, what are you to do, Talk about it?

Yeah that will solve the energy problems.

Let us reflect, they will demonstrate the energy collector on a video, but have never presented it for testing. Wonder why? Are they shy? Afraid of germs? Maybe they are dead, let us hope not., they could be solving problems more important than free energy, yeah that’s it, on to bigger and more pressing problems. Maybe they feel that we do not have any issues with energy at this time.

Or invoking Occam, it does not work, the simplest explanation.

Robert M

Hey folks, visit a “free energy” site, you will see the same type of claims, that “Big OIL” is stopping free energy as you will see that Big Oil is also stopping the air car. It seems that if your technology does not work that someone other that yourself is to blame.

Robert M

Hey folks, visit a “free energy” site, you will see the same type of claims, that “Big OIL” is stopping free energy as you will see that Big Oil is also stopping the air car. It seems that if your technology does not work that someone other that yourself is to blame.

jack T

Should you ever find yourself in the position of being an advocate for a totally unproven idea, you must assert to detractors that it is their responsibility to disprove the idea. That course of action is necessary as you have no proof the concept will work, keep others off of the subject of proof by claiming a large conspiracy exists that is why it can not be tested, you can not trust the testers.

Tell them that people have been killed for new ideas, nobody is independent, keep repeating that, big money is in control.

That is how these proponents of fraudulent devices behave, they are strangers to logic and reason, and believe the more words thrown around the more believable their device or concept is.

They act as if their audience is school children, I believe that is because that is the level they must operate on to believe in these claims.

jack T

Should you ever find yourself in the position of being an advocate for a totally unproven idea, you must assert to detractors that it is their responsibility to disprove the idea. That course of action is necessary as you have no proof the concept will work, keep others off of the subject of proof by claiming a large conspiracy exists that is why it can not be tested, you can not trust the testers.

Tell them that people have been killed for new ideas, nobody is independent, keep repeating that, big money is in control.

That is how these proponents of fraudulent devices behave, they are strangers to logic and reason, and believe the more words thrown around the more believable their device or concept is.

They act as if their audience is school children, I believe that is because that is the level they must operate on to believe in these claims.

Frank

Please quit with the energy generator, it is unproven and only exists in a video, what more needs to be said. As someone said, has not been proven. So for us big people over the age of 18, it does not exist.

All the talk in the world, does not make a fantasy real.

Frank

Please quit with the energy generator, it is unproven and only exists in a video, what more needs to be said. As someone said, has not been proven. So for us big people over the age of 18, it does not exist.

All the talk in the world, does not make a fantasy real.

Brian R

Hey idiots with energy device…enough

Talk about something that might be true, no Mayans, No free energy, no energy from radio towers, go back to the “free energy from leaks in the fabric of space-time”

sites.

Some people’s kids, wasting their time, and no more weed smoking either

Brian R

Hey idiots with energy device…enough

Talk about something that might be true, no Mayans, No free energy, no energy from radio towers, go back to the “free energy from leaks in the fabric of space-time”

sites.

Some people’s kids, wasting their time, and no more weed smoking either

http://greatcarcity.org/ Noelia

I love that hybrid, this will get you past the safety requirements of a car.

http://greatcarcity.org/ Noelia

I love that hybrid, this will get you past the safety requirements of a car.

hakan

If you would visit any site that references the many claims to create free energy you will see references to the types of “arguments” that Mr squashoil uses.

He is simply one of many who take a leap of faith, not requiring any proof that a device works.

These believers in free energy become enthralled with the idea that they are one of the few that know “the way”.

I believe they become caught up in the large words strung together, thinking that if a person can make sentences using these words, they must be special, and have the answers we all need.

Words have never powered a light bulb, or operated an electric motor.

As to the monitoring of these sites by the powers that be, hope they have better things to do.

The thought and dialogue that transpires on these energy sites jusy keeps the nuts in their houses and away from others.

hakan

If you would visit any site that references the many claims to create free energy you will see references to the types of “arguments” that Mr squashoil uses.

He is simply one of many who take a leap of faith, not requiring any proof that a device works.

These believers in free energy become enthralled with the idea that they are one of the few that know “the way”.

I believe they become caught up in the large words strung together, thinking that if a person can make sentences using these words, they must be special, and have the answers we all need.

Words have never powered a light bulb, or operated an electric motor.

As to the monitoring of these sites by the powers that be, hope they have better things to do.

The thought and dialogue that transpires on these energy sites jusy keeps the nuts in their houses and away from others.

Squashoil

Interesting to see all the fear and panic I’ve stirred up here, not to mention the amount of allegations and lies about yours truly and my simple request to discuss the science behind the video (which is on Google, NOT YouTube).

Many inventors do not have massive profit and self interests in mind (unlike the detractors responding to my posts),but actual good intentions for humanity as a whole. It’s understandable that folks with one track minds of just plain making money get upset when good people propose ways of doing things that does not elevate one person or one group above another.

And see what happens when things actually begin to get properly explained? The hate and fear escalates into sarcasm, put-downs, claims of drug abuse, mental deficiency, immaturity, etc, etc…

Obviously people are using knee-jerk reactions to singular posts and not reading previous posts of they would know I am not a child with whimsical dreams but a man (44 years old btw)who has spent his entire life in the field of electronics and computer technologies, and a Veteran who has had people’s lives entrusted to him for understanding and evolving with the extremely fast pace of these technologies.

My last job (before retiring due to disabilities) was with one of the 2 companies that manufacture communication equipment for all of the branches of the US military, do you think such a company would hire an idiot that didn’t understand how electromagnetic waves work? And before anyone attempts to poke holes, no, i was not an assembler, i was a manufacturing technician that worked closely with the engineers that designed these equipments and often offered solutions for improving these designs (and many were implemented without my getting patents for them.

The google videos were uploaded only in mid 2006, there are many many activities happening world-wide that inventions such as these could cause catastrophic failure to the current world systems that are in place and I can understand why caution would need to be exercised before large-scale implementation. One of the videos actually shows the device being (albeit allegedly) tested and dismantled for study, my purpose for bringing it up was for intelligent scrutiny of it, but if people what to act like apes beating on it with mammoth bones because they don’t understand it, that is their prerogative.

Guess I’ll go back to huffing lead paint fumes until the next wave of uninspired naysaying, sputum ejectors type their responses with their eyes and minds closed.

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

Squashoil

Interesting to see all the fear and panic I’ve stirred up here, not to mention the amount of allegations and lies about yours truly and my simple request to discuss the science behind the video (which is on Google, NOT YouTube).

Many inventors do not have massive profit and self interests in mind (unlike the detractors responding to my posts),but actual good intentions for humanity as a whole. It’s understandable that folks with one track minds of just plain making money get upset when good people propose ways of doing things that does not elevate one person or one group above another.

And see what happens when things actually begin to get properly explained? The hate and fear escalates into sarcasm, put-downs, claims of drug abuse, mental deficiency, immaturity, etc, etc…

Obviously people are using knee-jerk reactions to singular posts and not reading previous posts of they would know I am not a child with whimsical dreams but a man (44 years old btw)who has spent his entire life in the field of electronics and computer technologies, and a Veteran who has had people’s lives entrusted to him for understanding and evolving with the extremely fast pace of these technologies.

My last job (before retiring due to disabilities) was with one of the 2 companies that manufacture communication equipment for all of the branches of the US military, do you think such a company would hire an idiot that didn’t understand how electromagnetic waves work? And before anyone attempts to poke holes, no, i was not an assembler, i was a manufacturing technician that worked closely with the engineers that designed these equipments and often offered solutions for improving these designs (and many were implemented without my getting patents for them.

The google videos were uploaded only in mid 2006, there are many many activities happening world-wide that inventions such as these could cause catastrophic failure to the current world systems that are in place and I can understand why caution would need to be exercised before large-scale implementation. One of the videos actually shows the device being (albeit allegedly) tested and dismantled for study, my purpose for bringing it up was for intelligent scrutiny of it, but if people what to act like apes beating on it with mammoth bones because they don’t understand it, that is their prerogative.

Guess I’ll go back to huffing lead paint fumes until the next wave of uninspired naysaying, sputum ejectors type their responses with their eyes and minds closed.

Be fun! Have good!

Brian

Avagadro

You are just so special, and tell your friends with the devices that we all thank them for not upsetting the delicate balance of the universe.

It must be so hard to be misunderstood, I guess you can go back to your free energy for everyone, as the Mayans foretold.

So you understand how EM waves work,

You should know then a little round circle is not going to work as they claim.

As to the video of them taking the device apart, WOW I am so impressed, is that how you felt when you saw the insides, must have been like Christmas for you.

As I said before if you go to the inventors house and he is on the grid, he is lying.

Or if we test it we will prove it is a fraud.

But OH NO the powers that be will not let that happen, they must be real idiots then if they can not figure out how to prove their device and reap its benefits. Face it it is bull

I would bet if they contacted Kim Jong IL from North Korea he would love that device and offer him all of the protection he needs.

Imagine Kimchi for everyone.

But your and their words mean nothing, you can string together all sorts of claims, btw I see some of your exact phrases on the free energy websites, keep believing. Those words will never power the world.

Words are free – that is even cheaper than cheap

And rememeber to thank your friends for not causing any major disruptions with their device.

Being the consummate misunderstood expert on free energy will you be lecturing anywhere or publishing any papers?

Please let us know, I am anxious to see what you publish.

Avagadro

You are just so special, and tell your friends with the devices that we all thank them for not upsetting the delicate balance of the universe.

It must be so hard to be misunderstood, I guess you can go back to your free energy for everyone, as the Mayans foretold.

So you understand how EM waves work,

You should know then a little round circle is not going to work as they claim.

As to the video of them taking the device apart, WOW I am so impressed, is that how you felt when you saw the insides, must have been like Christmas for you.

As I said before if you go to the inventors house and he is on the grid, he is lying.

Or if we test it we will prove it is a fraud.

But OH NO the powers that be will not let that happen, they must be real idiots then if they can not figure out how to prove their device and reap its benefits. Face it it is bull

I would bet if they contacted Kim Jong IL from North Korea he would love that device and offer him all of the protection he needs.

Imagine Kimchi for everyone.

But your and their words mean nothing, you can string together all sorts of claims, btw I see some of your exact phrases on the free energy websites, keep believing. Those words will never power the world.

Words are free – that is even cheaper than cheap

And rememeber to thank your friends for not causing any major disruptions with their device.

Being the consummate misunderstood expert on free energy will you be lecturing anywhere or publishing any papers?

So these inventors have good in mind for the human race, but they do not reveal the workings of their device, a device which supposedly could eliminate the use of fossil fuels, which would eliminate the co2 from combustion of fossil fuels, free up some of the money the poor need to use on energy, and they just keep it under wraps. All so they do not unleash a global maelstrom, how do we contact these good men to thank them for not disrupting the status quo?

So if they are not worried about enriching themselves, why do they not just plaster the plans for the device all over the internet. Place the plans in the public domain if they do not care about personal gain. That way anyone could take advantage of the technology, and since they themselves would not be involved, they would have no fear of any conspiracies or death squads. They could do it anonymously, what do you think?

If they are so altruistic as you say, they would most certainly not put their self interest before the good of others.

Also these gentlemen with all of this free energy, why is the video so dark, after all if their electricity is free why so dark?

Your previous job experience is meaningless, so what if you put equipment together, and for your knowledge of electromagnetic waves, you sure are missing something there.

To believe that somehow a device can capture waves beyond its perimeter,is absurd. If that was possible there would not be any need for any sort of radio telescopes as they would just get a device as this and just separate out the frequencies, who would need these large arrays of antennas then? Why don’t these GOOD men let science use their technology for purposes such as that?

I find major inconsistencies in what you purport to be true, is it possible that you are incorrect in your assessment of their altruism?

Could it be they do not care about others, keeping this world changing technology to themselves?

Is it even possible that it is all nothing more than words strung together, so that people will say, “wow, they sure use big words it must be true”?

I must admit some people will fall for that free energy spiel, but anyone who has a sense of reason says, “No more talking, prove it works”, The problem for the inventors is, what they are claiming has been claimed many times before, lots of mumbo jumbo, but nothing of substance is ever proven.

There is no reason for not revealing the workings of the device, there is nothing to fear. In fact if it was true, just imagine how free our country would be, no manipulation from foreign sources. No wars to protect oil etc. So the fact that these are Good Men, is not true, they would put the good of the country before themselves, the reason they have not is that it is a fraud. It just is not happening, except in the minds of the chosen few.

To be misunderstood, ahhh the frustration you must feel.

Please thank the inventors for not upsetting the delicate balance of the universe, it means a lot to all of us, seriously..

So these inventors have good in mind for the human race, but they do not reveal the workings of their device, a device which supposedly could eliminate the use of fossil fuels, which would eliminate the co2 from combustion of fossil fuels, free up some of the money the poor need to use on energy, and they just keep it under wraps. All so they do not unleash a global maelstrom, how do we contact these good men to thank them for not disrupting the status quo?

So if they are not worried about enriching themselves, why do they not just plaster the plans for the device all over the internet. Place the plans in the public domain if they do not care about personal gain. That way anyone could take advantage of the technology, and since they themselves would not be involved, they would have no fear of any conspiracies or death squads. They could do it anonymously, what do you think?

If they are so altruistic as you say, they would most certainly not put their self interest before the good of others.

Also these gentlemen with all of this free energy, why is the video so dark, after all if their electricity is free why so dark?

Your previous job experience is meaningless, so what if you put equipment together, and for your knowledge of electromagnetic waves, you sure are missing something there.

To believe that somehow a device can capture waves beyond its perimeter,is absurd. If that was possible there would not be any need for any sort of radio telescopes as they would just get a device as this and just separate out the frequencies, who would need these large arrays of antennas then? Why don’t these GOOD men let science use their technology for purposes such as that?

I find major inconsistencies in what you purport to be true, is it possible that you are incorrect in your assessment of their altruism?

Could it be they do not care about others, keeping this world changing technology to themselves?

Is it even possible that it is all nothing more than words strung together, so that people will say, “wow, they sure use big words it must be true”?

I must admit some people will fall for that free energy spiel, but anyone who has a sense of reason says, “No more talking, prove it works”, The problem for the inventors is, what they are claiming has been claimed many times before, lots of mumbo jumbo, but nothing of substance is ever proven.

There is no reason for not revealing the workings of the device, there is nothing to fear. In fact if it was true, just imagine how free our country would be, no manipulation from foreign sources. No wars to protect oil etc. So the fact that these are Good Men, is not true, they would put the good of the country before themselves, the reason they have not is that it is a fraud. It just is not happening, except in the minds of the chosen few.

To be misunderstood, ahhh the frustration you must feel.

Please thank the inventors for not upsetting the delicate balance of the universe, it means a lot to all of us, seriously..

Magoo

Do not pay any attention to the non-believers of the free energy, just just like to rain on parades.

If those men in the video say they can pull energy out of the air, who is anyone to say it is not true?

Human beings would never lie to another it is just not right. And as to that video being manipulated, well it looks good to me.

Magoo

Do not pay any attention to the non-believers of the free energy, just just like to rain on parades.

If those men in the video say they can pull energy out of the air, who is anyone to say it is not true?

Human beings would never lie to another it is just not right. And as to that video being manipulated, well it looks good to me.

Lance

Hey leave this Sqashoil guy alone already. there is no proof that these free energy devices do not work.

These inventors all end up dying eventually after displaying their ideas, the powers that be will not let go of their grip..

Look at Nikla Tesla, what do you think happened to him, he is dead also. Most of the great inventors die after revealing their work, the list is enormous, Thomas Edison, he made electricity available and I bet it was the whale oil consortium that did him in.

Ford made cars available to the common man, I would bet the blacksmiths took care of him, as the need for horse shoes dropped dramatically.

Einstein laid the groundwork for muclear energy, what do you think happened to him, you got it, dead.

Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, it made the blasting of mountains to get at ore much easier, putting many laborers out of work, where do you think he is today? That is right, dead. The list goes on and on.

If you go in the area around the tributaries to the Amazon there exist the descendants of the Mayans, and they do not use any electricity at all. You can go to their huts and they are not on the grid.

They do not rely on any energy from those evil corporations.

They have the answer to energy self-sufficency. These people do not use grid electricity for anything at all. They use their own energy sources for what they need.

When people thought the Mayans wrote of “free energy” it was misinterpretted it was actually “energy free”.

They use the energy they obtain from food for all of their energy needs. So you see they do have the answer to get off of the grid.

Lance

Hey leave this Sqashoil guy alone already. there is no proof that these free energy devices do not work.

These inventors all end up dying eventually after displaying their ideas, the powers that be will not let go of their grip..

Look at Nikla Tesla, what do you think happened to him, he is dead also. Most of the great inventors die after revealing their work, the list is enormous, Thomas Edison, he made electricity available and I bet it was the whale oil consortium that did him in.

Ford made cars available to the common man, I would bet the blacksmiths took care of him, as the need for horse shoes dropped dramatically.

Einstein laid the groundwork for muclear energy, what do you think happened to him, you got it, dead.

Alfred Nobel invented dynamite, it made the blasting of mountains to get at ore much easier, putting many laborers out of work, where do you think he is today? That is right, dead. The list goes on and on.

If you go in the area around the tributaries to the Amazon there exist the descendants of the Mayans, and they do not use any electricity at all. You can go to their huts and they are not on the grid.

They do not rely on any energy from those evil corporations.

They have the answer to energy self-sufficency. These people do not use grid electricity for anything at all. They use their own energy sources for what they need.

When people thought the Mayans wrote of “free energy” it was misinterpretted it was actually “energy free”.

They use the energy they obtain from food for all of their energy needs. So you see they do have the answer to get off of the grid.

Squashoil

Any person that is able to see life beyond their selves can easily see the havoc that would ensue if a device like this was introduced en masse to the world at once. Think of all the jobs that the current energy supply system provides to people all over the world. I am able to look at innovations like these with an open mind from all sides of the equation (that I can think of), and was hoping to get some more intelligent perspectives, apparently I’ve stumbled upon the wrong site (it was my first attempt after all).

The people in this video are not my “pals”, “cohorts”, or “business associates”, nor do I have any other investment in these devices (if you watch the film, there are 3 in different sizes according to load size). I simply ran across them while searching for any advancements being made that aren’t completely endorsed by the highly corrupt media enterprise (it’s sort of a hobby of mine).

It has been interesting to hear false statements regarding some of the science being boldly pronounced like they have some expertise in the fields, especially since it’s the same folks who have been bashing the air car and spouting “facts” about energy storage and release capabilities of compressed air. I’ve seen statements like “all EM waves propagate the same”, “only millivolts of electricity are available under high tension wires” , and “little circles can’t concentrate EM waves” (ever seen a satellite dish?) and have been thinking that there are indeed many scared individuals posting here for the sole reason of creating doubt within any and all concepts that detract from the current power structures of the world (which is understandable).

At least I have made people aware that there are things in the works that will eventually free them from corporate slavery. I haven’t followed the trail of the Steven Mark device very far, but I was intrigued by the concept because it has been understood by the REAL scientific community for a few decades now that we would one day be able to tap Earth’s natural RF as an energy source, and it looked as if he might have been onto something with his demos. I vaguely recall that his design has been released to the public and I half-watched a video of a self-proclaimed “basement tinkerer” attempt to duplicate the design, I was just curious if I could find others that have been following this idea.

One thing I did notice while tracking the validity of this device was a complete lack of any attempts to sell anything to the public, and found it rather refreshing. I also figured anyone that could afford marble floors throughout their entire home probably wasn’t hurting for income. So it raised a lot of questions regarding the motivation behind staging a fake concept such as this. It sucked that the guy had such an idiot running the camera that didn’t take into account the parallax light reflections off the digital multimeter’s LCD display, they should have used a good old analog Simpson meter (yeah, I’ve developed a grudge toward digital anything, it took the romance out of electronics for me :)).

Since my retirement in ’05, much of my free time has been spent studying the history of power (all types) and as a result, I’ve begun tinkering with some ideas of my own for getting off the grid (power is a scary business, and it’s going to get a LOT scarier). I have 3 prototypes built for converting the naturally renewable resources of sun, wind and moving water to compressed air for clean energy storage. This potential energy can then be released (on demand) to run just about anything, including electric generators. The key it seems is going to be the use of successive pre-compression stages in order to produce enough pressure and volume for continuous use, sol it appears as though even if free energy does become available, the overall lesson to be learned by people is still going to be CONSERVATION OF ENERGY. Just because it is free, doesn’t mean we are free to waste it.

As for all the name-calling and other childish insults vetted against me personally, I’m used to that kind of jealousy since I have always been “special” my entire life what with being at the top of the class with every single educational endeavor I’ve pursued (without even breaking a sweat), combined with the rarity of common-sense, charm, good-looks, physique, natural musical talent, and humility… lol

Be fun! Have good! (lighten up!)

Brian

Squashoil

Any person that is able to see life beyond their selves can easily see the havoc that would ensue if a device like this was introduced en masse to the world at once. Think of all the jobs that the current energy supply system provides to people all over the world. I am able to look at innovations like these with an open mind from all sides of the equation (that I can think of), and was hoping to get some more intelligent perspectives, apparently I’ve stumbled upon the wrong site (it was my first attempt after all).

The people in this video are not my “pals”, “cohorts”, or “business associates”, nor do I have any other investment in these devices (if you watch the film, there are 3 in different sizes according to load size). I simply ran across them while searching for any advancements being made that aren’t completely endorsed by the highly corrupt media enterprise (it’s sort of a hobby of mine).

It has been interesting to hear false statements regarding some of the science being boldly pronounced like they have some expertise in the fields, especially since it’s the same folks who have been bashing the air car and spouting “facts” about energy storage and release capabilities of compressed air. I’ve seen statements like “all EM waves propagate the same”, “only millivolts of electricity are available under high tension wires” , and “little circles can’t concentrate EM waves” (ever seen a satellite dish?) and have been thinking that there are indeed many scared individuals posting here for the sole reason of creating doubt within any and all concepts that detract from the current power structures of the world (which is understandable).

At least I have made people aware that there are things in the works that will eventually free them from corporate slavery. I haven’t followed the trail of the Steven Mark device very far, but I was intrigued by the concept because it has been understood by the REAL scientific community for a few decades now that we would one day be able to tap Earth’s natural RF as an energy source, and it looked as if he might have been onto something with his demos. I vaguely recall that his design has been released to the public and I half-watched a video of a self-proclaimed “basement tinkerer” attempt to duplicate the design, I was just curious if I could find others that have been following this idea.

One thing I did notice while tracking the validity of this device was a complete lack of any attempts to sell anything to the public, and found it rather refreshing. I also figured anyone that could afford marble floors throughout their entire home probably wasn’t hurting for income. So it raised a lot of questions regarding the motivation behind staging a fake concept such as this. It sucked that the guy had such an idiot running the camera that didn’t take into account the parallax light reflections off the digital multimeter’s LCD display, they should have used a good old analog Simpson meter (yeah, I’ve developed a grudge toward digital anything, it took the romance out of electronics for me :)).

Since my retirement in ’05, much of my free time has been spent studying the history of power (all types) and as a result, I’ve begun tinkering with some ideas of my own for getting off the grid (power is a scary business, and it’s going to get a LOT scarier). I have 3 prototypes built for converting the naturally renewable resources of sun, wind and moving water to compressed air for clean energy storage. This potential energy can then be released (on demand) to run just about anything, including electric generators. The key it seems is going to be the use of successive pre-compression stages in order to produce enough pressure and volume for continuous use, sol it appears as though even if free energy does become available, the overall lesson to be learned by people is still going to be CONSERVATION OF ENERGY. Just because it is free, doesn’t mean we are free to waste it.

As for all the name-calling and other childish insults vetted against me personally, I’m used to that kind of jealousy since I have always been “special” my entire life what with being at the top of the class with every single educational endeavor I’ve pursued (without even breaking a sweat), combined with the rarity of common-sense, charm, good-looks, physique, natural musical talent, and humility… lol

Be fun! Have good! (lighten up!)

Brian

avagadro

The little gadget in the video will not work as a concentrator , a satellite dish works with a parabolic reflector, there is no reflector on that device. Rememeber what I said about concentrating waves, so you agree they must be concentrated, but they will not be concentrated by that device with a hole in the center.

By the way, if you calculate the energy in the air car system, you will see it willnot work, except for a few miles. Talking does not make the air car run either.

avagadro

The little gadget in the video will not work as a concentrator , a satellite dish works with a parabolic reflector, there is no reflector on that device. Rememeber what I said about concentrating waves, so you agree they must be concentrated, but they will not be concentrated by that device with a hole in the center.

By the way, if you calculate the energy in the air car system, you will see it willnot work, except for a few miles. Talking does not make the air car run either.

Squashoil

I didn’t agree to anything you’ve stated, there is no need to “concentrate” anything. If you were familiar with resonant circuits, you would know that there is a “flywheel effect” that takes place, keeping energy circulating within the tank that is only diminished by the DC resistance of the circuit wiring and coils. A little “push” keeps the tank running and you have an oscillator.

If you recall, I stated the circuit could be picking up harmonics of MULTIPLE frequencies, each carrying their own amount of energy. The example I gave of the video being faked was by using just ONE high powered transducer at close range to the device. Do you know how many different “noise” frequencies there are bouncing around us all the time that have a 5 khz harmonic component? Neither do I, but I’d hazard a guess that it’s in the thousands (millions?).

Then how many are there that have a 6khz harmonic component? Again, I don’t know without doing some studies with a spectrum analyzer (which I don’t personally own). I suspect that Steven Mark has studied this and has found a method of summing them and then amplifying them with energy from another set of harmonics… this is NOT how it is explained in some of the videos though, this is just the way I happen to visualize this type of technology working.

A simple AC generator works by passing magnets over coils of wire and requires physical motion, the way some of these stationary devices are explained is “simulating” moving magnetic fields by introducing two sets of frequencies into the same coil configuration wound in some unique toroidal arrangement that mixes the 2 and yields a 3rd (5khz) frequency that acts like a pulsating DC source.

A device such as this would likely vibrate as he stated it does in the video, and have some gyroscopic properties that resist change in motion (also as stated in the video).

I’ve always been good at “visualizing” the way electrons move and static/magnetic fields properties work and it has served me well as a troubleshooter, so when I saw this video (as crappy of a production as it is), an element of truth smacked me up side my head as being possible for this thing to work. However, it also brought visions of screwing up our environment in different ways than what we’re seeing with ozone depletion (if used on HUGE scales), so I immediately had mixed emotions about whether it would see the light of day.

We made our fair share of “advancements” in our past that have had catastrophic consequences, perhaps this one we should think over REALLY well before we implement it (if it’s not total BS to begin with).

I’m not trying to sell this idea, I just want to discuss it instead of immediately throwing it into a pile with the rest of the “impossibilities” that folks like to label unfamiliar technologies with.

Be fair, play nice…

Brian

Squashoil

I didn’t agree to anything you’ve stated, there is no need to “concentrate” anything. If you were familiar with resonant circuits, you would know that there is a “flywheel effect” that takes place, keeping energy circulating within the tank that is only diminished by the DC resistance of the circuit wiring and coils. A little “push” keeps the tank running and you have an oscillator.

If you recall, I stated the circuit could be picking up harmonics of MULTIPLE frequencies, each carrying their own amount of energy. The example I gave of the video being faked was by using just ONE high powered transducer at close range to the device. Do you know how many different “noise” frequencies there are bouncing around us all the time that have a 5 khz harmonic component? Neither do I, but I’d hazard a guess that it’s in the thousands (millions?).

Then how many are there that have a 6khz harmonic component? Again, I don’t know without doing some studies with a spectrum analyzer (which I don’t personally own). I suspect that Steven Mark has studied this and has found a method of summing them and then amplifying them with energy from another set of harmonics… this is NOT how it is explained in some of the videos though, this is just the way I happen to visualize this type of technology working.

A simple AC generator works by passing magnets over coils of wire and requires physical motion, the way some of these stationary devices are explained is “simulating” moving magnetic fields by introducing two sets of frequencies into the same coil configuration wound in some unique toroidal arrangement that mixes the 2 and yields a 3rd (5khz) frequency that acts like a pulsating DC source.

A device such as this would likely vibrate as he stated it does in the video, and have some gyroscopic properties that resist change in motion (also as stated in the video).

I’ve always been good at “visualizing” the way electrons move and static/magnetic fields properties work and it has served me well as a troubleshooter, so when I saw this video (as crappy of a production as it is), an element of truth smacked me up side my head as being possible for this thing to work. However, it also brought visions of screwing up our environment in different ways than what we’re seeing with ozone depletion (if used on HUGE scales), so I immediately had mixed emotions about whether it would see the light of day.

We made our fair share of “advancements” in our past that have had catastrophic consequences, perhaps this one we should think over REALLY well before we implement it (if it’s not total BS to begin with).

I’m not trying to sell this idea, I just want to discuss it instead of immediately throwing it into a pile with the rest of the “impossibilities” that folks like to label unfamiliar technologies with.

Be fair, play nice…

Brian

avagadro

You jump to conclusions over a marble floor, is that an objective mind?

You do not want this new technology because energy workers will lose their jobs.

Those energy jobs will not disappear overnight, besides workers will be needed to make appliances,furnaces, cars, locomotives to take advantage of this new technology. These changes will not happen overnight, ships will still need fossil fuel, airplanes will, so they will be okay.

You who accuse others of being against new technology, now you make excuses to keep old technology, because…. The idea is a fraud.

Just a video that you read too much into,.

I can assure you, your rants about all of these waves are looked upon with amusement, these claims are very old,

and the unproven science is again patterns on a page, they mean nothing until the device is proven.

Look up anti gravity, free energy, over unity, and perpetual motion they all have a lot to say, but can prove nothing.

Even though there is nothing there, they keep talking and writing, yeah that will solve a lot..

A lot to say but nothing to prove, because it is a fraud.

Did you say it vibrates, or they just said it vibrates? Again no proof.

No proof…words but no proof. words are not proof.

avagadro

You jump to conclusions over a marble floor, is that an objective mind?

You do not want this new technology because energy workers will lose their jobs.

Those energy jobs will not disappear overnight, besides workers will be needed to make appliances,furnaces, cars, locomotives to take advantage of this new technology. These changes will not happen overnight, ships will still need fossil fuel, airplanes will, so they will be okay.

You who accuse others of being against new technology, now you make excuses to keep old technology, because…. The idea is a fraud.

Just a video that you read too much into,.

I can assure you, your rants about all of these waves are looked upon with amusement, these claims are very old,

and the unproven science is again patterns on a page, they mean nothing until the device is proven.

Look up anti gravity, free energy, over unity, and perpetual motion they all have a lot to say, but can prove nothing.

Even though there is nothing there, they keep talking and writing, yeah that will solve a lot..

A lot to say but nothing to prove, because it is a fraud.

Did you say it vibrates, or they just said it vibrates? Again no proof.

No proof…words but no proof. words are not proof.

Squashoil

I’m not attempting to prove the validity of this device, I’m merely pointing out that there is indeed tremendous power in RF fields all around us and it’s only a matter of time and experimentation before we are capable of putting them to use instead of “rapidly oxidizing” matter to provide our energy needs. There probably never will be a consensus of the “perfect” power source, but it should be fairly obvious that the ones that can do work without leaving a trail of death behind are preferable.

It’s quite possible that the proof does exist that this device works and we may never know what harm it could do long term until we try it because we can’t duplicate the planet Earth to run “real” tests before going large scale. Even if the proof did exist, what medium would it need to take on before people believed the proof? All the “reputable” media sources are owned by the corporations that would rather keep the so-called “status quo”.

I just can’t fathom why anyone would be constantly spewing negative comments about clean technologies on a site that appears to be in favor of them unless that person has something personal to lose from it. Do they think they are saving the public from some evil underground “liars fraternity” that is bent on spoiling the pristine reputation of the oil industry? What exactly is the motivation behind these attempts to quell discussion about clean energy sources?

I’m sure the frazzled efforts of these detractors are providing quite a bit of entertainment to the readers as well =)

Breathe deep, the tide’s arising…

Brian

Squashoil

I’m not attempting to prove the validity of this device, I’m merely pointing out that there is indeed tremendous power in RF fields all around us and it’s only a matter of time and experimentation before we are capable of putting them to use instead of “rapidly oxidizing” matter to provide our energy needs. There probably never will be a consensus of the “perfect” power source, but it should be fairly obvious that the ones that can do work without leaving a trail of death behind are preferable.

It’s quite possible that the proof does exist that this device works and we may never know what harm it could do long term until we try it because we can’t duplicate the planet Earth to run “real” tests before going large scale. Even if the proof did exist, what medium would it need to take on before people believed the proof? All the “reputable” media sources are owned by the corporations that would rather keep the so-called “status quo”.

I just can’t fathom why anyone would be constantly spewing negative comments about clean technologies on a site that appears to be in favor of them unless that person has something personal to lose from it. Do they think they are saving the public from some evil underground “liars fraternity” that is bent on spoiling the pristine reputation of the oil industry? What exactly is the motivation behind these attempts to quell discussion about clean energy sources?

I’m sure the frazzled efforts of these detractors are providing quite a bit of entertainment to the readers as well =)

Breathe deep, the tide’s arising…

Brian

avagadro

What proof do you have that corporations would rather keep the status quo?

They sure provided exposure for the air car, without even knowing the slightest bit about the technology involved.

Media is all about obtaining viewers. You act as if corporations walk in lock step with each other. If there was a device to test they would step all over each other to have the “scoop”.

If media was anti change (keeping the status quo) why all of the attention to the air car, the media provided very postive reports, basically presented the air car makers claims as if they were facts.

The media unwittingly acted as an advertiser for the air car, MDI must be admired for being able to garner what was essentially millions of dollars of advertising for free

In fact today the media has articles about “cold fusion” again, so I see no evidence that media is out to keep anything from the public.

AS I said prior to this, these inventors are all about maintaining control over the test, for any kind of new technology to be accepted, the results must be repeatable by others.

Nobody is trying to stop discussion, at some point talking must stop and proof provided, going on and on about theories of why it will work only goes so far.

If for example these men wanted a loan to build a factory to produce these devices, any financial institution would ask for proof, they would not disburse any money without proof.

The reason the air car inventors needed to go to private financing is that they could not provide proof of their claims and obtain large scale financing.

Again we see all the talk in the world and all of the media exposure, press release, announcements of production, and drives around a parking lot does not prove the air car is a viable substitute for internal combustion powered vehicles.

Ad infinitum discussion of this device will never lead anywhere, unless its potential is proven.

There are many highly respected scientists that would be happy to be involved in testing. The inventors keep the devices away from tests because they know the results already.

avagadro

What proof do you have that corporations would rather keep the status quo?

They sure provided exposure for the air car, without even knowing the slightest bit about the technology involved.

Media is all about obtaining viewers. You act as if corporations walk in lock step with each other. If there was a device to test they would step all over each other to have the “scoop”.

If media was anti change (keeping the status quo) why all of the attention to the air car, the media provided very postive reports, basically presented the air car makers claims as if they were facts.

The media unwittingly acted as an advertiser for the air car, MDI must be admired for being able to garner what was essentially millions of dollars of advertising for free

In fact today the media has articles about “cold fusion” again, so I see no evidence that media is out to keep anything from the public.

AS I said prior to this, these inventors are all about maintaining control over the test, for any kind of new technology to be accepted, the results must be repeatable by others.

Nobody is trying to stop discussion, at some point talking must stop and proof provided, going on and on about theories of why it will work only goes so far.

If for example these men wanted a loan to build a factory to produce these devices, any financial institution would ask for proof, they would not disburse any money without proof.

The reason the air car inventors needed to go to private financing is that they could not provide proof of their claims and obtain large scale financing.

Again we see all the talk in the world and all of the media exposure, press release, announcements of production, and drives around a parking lot does not prove the air car is a viable substitute for internal combustion powered vehicles.

Ad infinitum discussion of this device will never lead anywhere, unless its potential is proven.

There are many highly respected scientists that would be happy to be involved in testing. The inventors keep the devices away from tests because they know the results already.

Need Proof

Twenty years ago this week, a pair of previously unknown scientists stunned the world by announcing they’d done the impossible by achieving nuclear fusion in a lab flask at room temperature.

Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons quickly became celebrities as the news media hailed them for discovering a cheap source of nearly limitless power. But it all fell apart as other scientists couldn’t duplicate their results, and the pair later admitted they’d made mistakes in the experiments.

Need Proof

Twenty years ago this week, a pair of previously unknown scientists stunned the world by announcing they’d done the impossible by achieving nuclear fusion in a lab flask at room temperature.

Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons quickly became celebrities as the news media hailed them for discovering a cheap source of nearly limitless power. But it all fell apart as other scientists couldn’t duplicate their results, and the pair later admitted they’d made mistakes in the experiments.

Marcus

For information on the Steven Marks in the video with his free energy device referred to by MR. Squashoil go to..

You can follow other links on the site and you will see this is not an invention that sits idle.

Steven Marks is quite famous for his demonstrations and his obtaining cash from investors worldwide.

This is not an altruistic person as Mr. Squashoil would have you believe, uses false claims to obtain cash from the gullible.

He never lets anyone test the device, goes from one wide eyed investor to the next, taking each for as much as he can.

So much for world changing technology, he seems to be another Bernie Madoff, Just plain run of the mill fast talking showman and thief.

avagadro

Mr. Squashoil

I suppose the reason not much has been seen of this device shown in the video is that, Steven Marks is laying low until things cool off.

There are still believers in the device, but then they have not been scammed by him, so I suppose to an innocent bystander it seems like a possible source of energy.

Its just those damned investors who lost money that don’t believe it is an energy generator.

See those investors heard wrong, Steven Marks said it was a “Money Generator”, they just heard him wrong. Money Generator..

So much for looking out for the good of mankind..

Afraid it will cause widespread damage to the Earth, come on now….. it causes damage to bank balances, that’s all.

avagadro

Mr. Squashoil

I suppose the reason not much has been seen of this device shown in the video is that, Steven Marks is laying low until things cool off.

There are still believers in the device, but then they have not been scammed by him, so I suppose to an innocent bystander it seems like a possible source of energy.

Its just those damned investors who lost money that don’t believe it is an energy generator.

See those investors heard wrong, Steven Marks said it was a “Money Generator”, they just heard him wrong. Money Generator..

So much for looking out for the good of mankind..

Afraid it will cause widespread damage to the Earth, come on now….. it causes damage to bank balances, that’s all.

nofree NRG

I checked some of the links to articles on Steven Marks and his Energy Device. There sure are a lot of believers, but I suppose it is easy to be impressed by a good show.(convoluted unproven claims)

It seems the only way most of these folks are dissuaded is when they lose money by investing in the Magical Mystery Device

Searching the “free energy” sites, I found so many who have the answer to the worlds energy crisis.

It is amazing how far back in history these inventors of free energy go, If even ONE of the many designs would work the world would be a different place.

I suppose a good showman really can capture the audience, if the investors just used common sense and asked for independent review, but we know that is never allowed, because the inventor needs to have absolute control of the situation…absolute control, sort of like a magician…yeah that’s it a show like a magician

Exactly like the air car, no independent review there either…does that tell you something? Caveat Emptor

nofree NRG

I checked some of the links to articles on Steven Marks and his Energy Device. There sure are a lot of believers, but I suppose it is easy to be impressed by a good show.(convoluted unproven claims)

It seems the only way most of these folks are dissuaded is when they lose money by investing in the Magical Mystery Device

Searching the “free energy” sites, I found so many who have the answer to the worlds energy crisis.

It is amazing how far back in history these inventors of free energy go, If even ONE of the many designs would work the world would be a different place.

I suppose a good showman really can capture the audience, if the investors just used common sense and asked for independent review, but we know that is never allowed, because the inventor needs to have absolute control of the situation…absolute control, sort of like a magician…yeah that’s it a show like a magician

Exactly like the air car, no independent review there either…does that tell you something? Caveat Emptor

Marcus

After reading up on the free energy sites, they all use the same techniques, as Steven Marks and his cohorts.

They have a lot to say, often using known facts but stretching the facts to unbelievable impossible lengths.

We know electromagnetic waves are around us, we know they contain energy, BUT they claim that they and only they know the proper configuration of wires and metal to harness the energy.

In reality the amount of energy they claim to pull from thin air is maybe hundreds of thousands of times beyond whatever is possible.

In this example MR “squash for brains says”, “see they can capture satellite waves from the air”, well yes they can but they need to be concentrated by the use of a reflector dish and then amplified in the receiver and they only provide a signal not any power that can be used.

They use statements such as that to muddy the waters.

They say that solar energy is electromagnetic waves and we get energy from the sun, millions of miles away.

Well yes we do, but the amount of energy they claim to receive by that device is over 4 times the energy of the sunlight that strikes the earth on an area of that size.

Fact is the maximum amount of energy that a device of any kind can harness is what strikes the device or its reflectors.

In the case of the device in the video, no useful energy can be obtained by a device that size, sure you can get a signal but no worthwhile energy except for as I said a signal, (for communications etc)

The statement by Mr “Squash for Brains” that they need to be careful with the device because it will or might cause major damage to world systems or order.

An unfounded claim as an excuse for not demonstrating the device for independent review.

Being anti energy as he is Mr Squash acts worried about the jobs in the energy field that will be lost.

Again nonsense, there will still be planes, ships, cars, trains, that will be using fossil fuels for quite a while. And jobs would be created to replace the items that use fossil fuels at the current time.

In review all of the statements do not hold up to scrutiny.

People of his type troll sites trying to get others interested in the free energy, why? who knows, maybe to line up future investors for the likes Steven Marks.

They can never come up with a GOOD reason for not letting the device be independently reviewed.

Saying that not everyone is interested in commercializing their inventions, they are not interested in the money, when in the end that is all they want, to find gullible people who are mesmerized by over complicated designs that make use of unproven technology, and have never been independently reviewed.

The reason for no independent test is simple, the inventors do not want a record of the device not working.

Anyone idiotic enough to believe in a video that can be easily faked, is either lying and part of the fraud, or so self absorbed they think they are one of the few endowed with the knowledge to understand the technology.(they just fall for the lies)

Mr. Squash says he saw the patent application, sure anyone can apply, but a patent was never issued, why?

The device is unproven, that is why no record of the patent, there is none.

The key is to be objective, ask questions never accept less than independent review of a device, regardless of how great it sounds.

People have been defrauding each other for hundreds of years purporting to have devices that offer free energy or perpetual motion, use your brain. Words never powered anything, and test meters can be rigged, batteries hidden, there are many ways to cheat, and when money is involved they will find new ways.

Do not fall for so called, explanations, talk is cheap.

No free energy device has ever worked, ever. The explanations for how they work is Bull, plain and simple.

Marcus

After reading up on the free energy sites, they all use the same techniques, as Steven Marks and his cohorts.

They have a lot to say, often using known facts but stretching the facts to unbelievable impossible lengths.

We know electromagnetic waves are around us, we know they contain energy, BUT they claim that they and only they know the proper configuration of wires and metal to harness the energy.

In reality the amount of energy they claim to pull from thin air is maybe hundreds of thousands of times beyond whatever is possible.

In this example MR “squash for brains says”, “see they can capture satellite waves from the air”, well yes they can but they need to be concentrated by the use of a reflector dish and then amplified in the receiver and they only provide a signal not any power that can be used.

They use statements such as that to muddy the waters.

They say that solar energy is electromagnetic waves and we get energy from the sun, millions of miles away.

Well yes we do, but the amount of energy they claim to receive by that device is over 4 times the energy of the sunlight that strikes the earth on an area of that size.

Fact is the maximum amount of energy that a device of any kind can harness is what strikes the device or its reflectors.

In the case of the device in the video, no useful energy can be obtained by a device that size, sure you can get a signal but no worthwhile energy except for as I said a signal, (for communications etc)

The statement by Mr “Squash for Brains” that they need to be careful with the device because it will or might cause major damage to world systems or order.

An unfounded claim as an excuse for not demonstrating the device for independent review.

Being anti energy as he is Mr Squash acts worried about the jobs in the energy field that will be lost.

Again nonsense, there will still be planes, ships, cars, trains, that will be using fossil fuels for quite a while. And jobs would be created to replace the items that use fossil fuels at the current time.

In review all of the statements do not hold up to scrutiny.

People of his type troll sites trying to get others interested in the free energy, why? who knows, maybe to line up future investors for the likes Steven Marks.

They can never come up with a GOOD reason for not letting the device be independently reviewed.

Saying that not everyone is interested in commercializing their inventions, they are not interested in the money, when in the end that is all they want, to find gullible people who are mesmerized by over complicated designs that make use of unproven technology, and have never been independently reviewed.

The reason for no independent test is simple, the inventors do not want a record of the device not working.

Anyone idiotic enough to believe in a video that can be easily faked, is either lying and part of the fraud, or so self absorbed they think they are one of the few endowed with the knowledge to understand the technology.(they just fall for the lies)

Mr. Squash says he saw the patent application, sure anyone can apply, but a patent was never issued, why?

The device is unproven, that is why no record of the patent, there is none.

The key is to be objective, ask questions never accept less than independent review of a device, regardless of how great it sounds.

People have been defrauding each other for hundreds of years purporting to have devices that offer free energy or perpetual motion, use your brain. Words never powered anything, and test meters can be rigged, batteries hidden, there are many ways to cheat, and when money is involved they will find new ways.

Do not fall for so called, explanations, talk is cheap.

No free energy device has ever worked, ever. The explanations for how they work is Bull, plain and simple.

David M

Watch out for those touting “energy from nothing” on these sites, they get people interested to line them up for defrauding them.

They will claim they need individual investors money to work out the last few details of the device before going commercial, they say banks will not lend money because they are part of the “conspiracy”.

Banks will not lend money without proof of a working device, either will venture capital firms.

David M

Watch out for those touting “energy from nothing” on these sites, they get people interested to line them up for defrauding them.

They will claim they need individual investors money to work out the last few details of the device before going commercial, they say banks will not lend money because they are part of the “conspiracy”.

Banks will not lend money without proof of a working device, either will venture capital firms.

Morgan M

The air car is not being produced in India, Tata Motors made an announcement in October of 2008 that they had no production plans for the Air Car.

These dates of production that are always mentioned in articles are from press releases issued by MDI.

MDI issues the press releases to take advantage of the media’s propensity to publish just about anything to elicit viewers.

The media issues the claims of MDI without questioning if they are truly possible.

MDI receives millions if dollars in free advertising and sells franchises or licenses to those eager to invest.

The investors are drawn by the notion of being on the ground floor of a new technology.

MDI is about taking money from investors.

If they were ready to put a car on the road in 2001 as they claimed, why has it not happened?

It has never made it to production because air is a terrible energy storage medium, there are huge energy losses in the compression and utilization of compressed air.

Electric vehicles are a proven performer, there just needs to be some improvement in battery technology.

Due to the laws of thermodynamics the changes necessary for the air car to be useful for everyday driving will not happen.

Morgan M

The air car is not being produced in India, Tata Motors made an announcement in October of 2008 that they had no production plans for the Air Car.

These dates of production that are always mentioned in articles are from press releases issued by MDI.

MDI issues the press releases to take advantage of the media’s propensity to publish just about anything to elicit viewers.

The media issues the claims of MDI without questioning if they are truly possible.

MDI receives millions if dollars in free advertising and sells franchises or licenses to those eager to invest.

The investors are drawn by the notion of being on the ground floor of a new technology.

MDI is about taking money from investors.

If they were ready to put a car on the road in 2001 as they claimed, why has it not happened?

It has never made it to production because air is a terrible energy storage medium, there are huge energy losses in the compression and utilization of compressed air.

Electric vehicles are a proven performer, there just needs to be some improvement in battery technology.

Due to the laws of thermodynamics the changes necessary for the air car to be useful for everyday driving will not happen.

Sherman the German

What happened to Mr. squashoil the verbose proponent of the illustrious free energy device “invented” by Steven Marks.

Steven marks being the man who scammed many investors from all over the world.

Read the previous posts by Mr. Squashoil as he elevates the inventor of the free energy device to the heights of Altruism.

Read the ridiculous unproven claims by Mr. Squashoil using technical jargon simply to confuse the reader, (all of that crap means nothing without proof), see how these fools support each other, why? It all comes down to money.

Search “Steven Marks Scam” and read all about it, then read the posts by Mr. Squashoil as he talks about the energy device as if it is for real and actually works.

Remember the claims of an inventor mean nothing, the only thing that matters is independent review.

Where are you Mr Squashoil, did you think we would not search the internet for evidence of Steven marks scams? Meanwhile there you were defending him acting as if he was out for the good of mankind, worried about the planet, not interested in money, or personal gain.

We knew about the scams a while back we emailed back and forth and decided to see how much you would rant on and on and support the scam.

You did not disappoint us, you master of the electron, assembler of devices, supporter of scam artists, harmonic wave collector, and magnetic field directing fool. Go ahead tell us more about how the device will upset the atmosphere – fool.

The house where Steven Marks lived in California had electric wires and a meter an a bill every month, don’t you think he was researched, remember not everyone was stupid enough to invest with him.

You either are caught up in your own inflated view of yourself, or fell for the nonsense youself, either way, you are on the wrong end of the argument.

Sherman the German

What happened to Mr. squashoil the verbose proponent of the illustrious free energy device “invented” by Steven Marks.

Steven marks being the man who scammed many investors from all over the world.

Read the previous posts by Mr. Squashoil as he elevates the inventor of the free energy device to the heights of Altruism.

Read the ridiculous unproven claims by Mr. Squashoil using technical jargon simply to confuse the reader, (all of that crap means nothing without proof), see how these fools support each other, why? It all comes down to money.

Search “Steven Marks Scam” and read all about it, then read the posts by Mr. Squashoil as he talks about the energy device as if it is for real and actually works.

Remember the claims of an inventor mean nothing, the only thing that matters is independent review.

Where are you Mr Squashoil, did you think we would not search the internet for evidence of Steven marks scams? Meanwhile there you were defending him acting as if he was out for the good of mankind, worried about the planet, not interested in money, or personal gain.

We knew about the scams a while back we emailed back and forth and decided to see how much you would rant on and on and support the scam.

You did not disappoint us, you master of the electron, assembler of devices, supporter of scam artists, harmonic wave collector, and magnetic field directing fool. Go ahead tell us more about how the device will upset the atmosphere – fool.

The house where Steven Marks lived in California had electric wires and a meter an a bill every month, don’t you think he was researched, remember not everyone was stupid enough to invest with him.

You either are caught up in your own inflated view of yourself, or fell for the nonsense youself, either way, you are on the wrong end of the argument.

Francesco

I feel one of the most appropriate videos of the air car is the one where it is shown driving in circles.

Because that is all the company has done for the last 9 years, no progress towards production, and talking in circles when asked questions.

Francesco

I feel one of the most appropriate videos of the air car is the one where it is shown driving in circles.

Because that is all the company has done for the last 9 years, no progress towards production, and talking in circles when asked questions.

Air car not well conceived

If you would look at the history of MDI-air car company, you will see a pattern reveal itself.

MDI makes very good use of the media, when they are out of the public eye for a while, they will always issue a new press release outlining some “revolutionary” development in the air car.

The interesting part of these new developments is that none of them ever brings the car to a production-ready stage.

It seems that the developments are used to keep impatient investors happy for a while and to get free press to lure more investors and their money.

If they had a car in 2001 that would travel 125 miles, why no production?

If they improved on that car by changing engine technology, why no production at that time?

If they added a heater to expand the air before entering the engine to give tha car a range of 800 miles or so, why was that not ever produced?

Now they claim to have an onboard air compressor to refill the air tank as the car is driven, it seems as though MDI has taken this idea from the electric cars that will be recharged as they are driven.

Having an onboard air compressor is a flawed idea in that to compress air to high pressure you also need to extract heat during the process. Extracting heat requires at least a multi stage system, which adds additional weight.

Since generating compressed air uses much more fuel than would be used to generate electricity to charge a battery (on an energy to energy basis), the plan for onboard compressors are really just an attempt to keep the company in the spotlight. Anyone familiar with thermodynamics and the energy involved in the processes will understand why the refilling of the air tanks while driving is ill conceived and not a solution to the cars limited range. When you look at the energy content of the compressed air that is generated by the compressor onboard and the amount of fuel needed to generate the air, it is quite evident that so much is wasted that it is much better to use electric cars.

The electric cars have a much better efficiency in that more of the energy used to generate the electricicty is available for use than when a compressed air system is used. The efficiency of electric also goes for the onboard generator, no cooling or additional stages are needed to generate electricity to charge the batteries, saving much weight, and therefore much energy.

Air car not well conceived

If you would look at the history of MDI-air car company, you will see a pattern reveal itself.

MDI makes very good use of the media, when they are out of the public eye for a while, they will always issue a new press release outlining some “revolutionary” development in the air car.

The interesting part of these new developments is that none of them ever brings the car to a production-ready stage.

It seems that the developments are used to keep impatient investors happy for a while and to get free press to lure more investors and their money.

If they had a car in 2001 that would travel 125 miles, why no production?

If they improved on that car by changing engine technology, why no production at that time?

If they added a heater to expand the air before entering the engine to give tha car a range of 800 miles or so, why was that not ever produced?

Now they claim to have an onboard air compressor to refill the air tank as the car is driven, it seems as though MDI has taken this idea from the electric cars that will be recharged as they are driven.

Having an onboard air compressor is a flawed idea in that to compress air to high pressure you also need to extract heat during the process. Extracting heat requires at least a multi stage system, which adds additional weight.

Since generating compressed air uses much more fuel than would be used to generate electricity to charge a battery (on an energy to energy basis), the plan for onboard compressors are really just an attempt to keep the company in the spotlight. Anyone familiar with thermodynamics and the energy involved in the processes will understand why the refilling of the air tanks while driving is ill conceived and not a solution to the cars limited range. When you look at the energy content of the compressed air that is generated by the compressor onboard and the amount of fuel needed to generate the air, it is quite evident that so much is wasted that it is much better to use electric cars.

The electric cars have a much better efficiency in that more of the energy used to generate the electricicty is available for use than when a compressed air system is used. The efficiency of electric also goes for the onboard generator, no cooling or additional stages are needed to generate electricity to charge the batteries, saving much weight, and therefore much energy.

http://Windows Victor Sindoni

The idea has lots of merit, possibly with a few changes or modifications, namely a Rotary engine,

This idea can be everyones dream, and the oil

conglomerates nightmare, hallelujah

Victor Sindoni

Squashoil

How much “losses” is there in the creation of gasoline and diesel fuel?

To spread malcontent about the manufacturer is one thing, but spreading irrelevant information about using compressed air as a power source for vehicles is just outright unfair. They may not have the same range, power, and speed capabilities, but the technologies being developed as a result of the efforts are highly significant. Without the extra “bulk” required to lug around all the weight of the power plant (talk about losses!), the cars will eventually become MUCH safer, especially if they can incorporate exterior air bag technologies.

Now, about all this “insistence” that I have some kind of “arrangement” with Steve Mark… what a load of paranoia! I don’t answer for a couple weeks and suddenly everything I’ve mentioned in here must be fabricated or some type of scam… what ARE these automaker paying you to watch this article so closely and retaliate so harshly, hmm? =)

I never said HE was altruistic, I didn’t know a thing about the man, I only saw his videos and went to the site that had posted the video, and found that there was a patent application for it and found it interesting as a possible power source for electric cars to reduce weight… sheesh, who the hell’s been pissing in your avacado dip, dude?

I didn’t even hear about the air powered car until after I started working on my inventions for creating compressed air from wind, solar and moving water sources, I haven’t been following all the “politics” behind the claims, and I almost immediately found fault in the video myself for the amount of noise the prototype made. I even suggested to one youth to look into the new rotary air motors for research, since our youth will be the ones developing these new technologies.

The light-weight carbon composite tank construction, the modular design, the centered driver seat, all great new concepts, as will be things like air collection during braking or coasting downhills. Perhaps enough pressure to propel the vehicle can’t be accumulated, but perhaps a lower pressure and volume can be collected and “bartered” at service stations where they can perhaps convert lower pressure to higher pressures with less work?

I’m still lovin’ the exterior airbag concept…. try THAT with an electric or fossil-fueled vehicle! =)

:-p <— one for Avacado head

Brian

Squashoil

How much “losses” is there in the creation of gasoline and diesel fuel?

To spread malcontent about the manufacturer is one thing, but spreading irrelevant information about using compressed air as a power source for vehicles is just outright unfair. They may not have the same range, power, and speed capabilities, but the technologies being developed as a result of the efforts are highly significant. Without the extra “bulk” required to lug around all the weight of the power plant (talk about losses!), the cars will eventually become MUCH safer, especially if they can incorporate exterior air bag technologies.

Now, about all this “insistence” that I have some kind of “arrangement” with Steve Mark… what a load of paranoia! I don’t answer for a couple weeks and suddenly everything I’ve mentioned in here must be fabricated or some type of scam… what ARE these automaker paying you to watch this article so closely and retaliate so harshly, hmm? =)

I never said HE was altruistic, I didn’t know a thing about the man, I only saw his videos and went to the site that had posted the video, and found that there was a patent application for it and found it interesting as a possible power source for electric cars to reduce weight… sheesh, who the hell’s been pissing in your avacado dip, dude?

I didn’t even hear about the air powered car until after I started working on my inventions for creating compressed air from wind, solar and moving water sources, I haven’t been following all the “politics” behind the claims, and I almost immediately found fault in the video myself for the amount of noise the prototype made. I even suggested to one youth to look into the new rotary air motors for research, since our youth will be the ones developing these new technologies.

The light-weight carbon composite tank construction, the modular design, the centered driver seat, all great new concepts, as will be things like air collection during braking or coasting downhills. Perhaps enough pressure to propel the vehicle can’t be accumulated, but perhaps a lower pressure and volume can be collected and “bartered” at service stations where they can perhaps convert lower pressure to higher pressures with less work?

I’m still lovin’ the exterior airbag concept…. try THAT with an electric or fossil-fueled vehicle! =)

:-p <— one for Avacado head

Brian

Vince Barett

The reason the air car makes all of that noise is that they must do anything possible to eliminate back pressure to extract all of the energy they can out of the compressed air,any type of muffler creates back pressure.

Vince Barett

The reason the air car makes all of that noise is that they must do anything possible to eliminate back pressure to extract all of the energy they can out of the compressed air,any type of muffler creates back pressure.

Squashoil

Makes sense…but with a rotary engine, the noise would be less percussionary and more of a “whirring” sound I would imagine… and in the video, the inventor explains that the motor is both cooled and lubricated by the air flowing through it and is tiny, powerful, and long lasting, even with simple aluminum materials!

I’m certain that without heat as a major part of the equation, this form of power plant can be reduced in size and weight and increased in power and reliability in a matter of like a year with today’s technologies… the big 4 are deffo puttin up bad pubs on purpose EVERYWHERE for this, and with good reason! This is a HUGE diversion in “power structure” globally if this technology is made feasible in small communities that are dedicated to making local efforts.

It doesn’t take a lot of science to figure out how to make compressed air! There’s a hell of a lot of smart, creative people out there that could create “events” about how to create and store “deposits” of compressed air in their communities. I’ve seen water pumps in the deserts of Africa being powered by children PLAYING on a carousel! How hard can it be to put folks to work compressing air?

What an easy way to clean the air too ay?

Brian

Squashoil

Makes sense…but with a rotary engine, the noise would be less percussionary and more of a “whirring” sound I would imagine… and in the video, the inventor explains that the motor is both cooled and lubricated by the air flowing through it and is tiny, powerful, and long lasting, even with simple aluminum materials!

I’m certain that without heat as a major part of the equation, this form of power plant can be reduced in size and weight and increased in power and reliability in a matter of like a year with today’s technologies… the big 4 are deffo puttin up bad pubs on purpose EVERYWHERE for this, and with good reason! This is a HUGE diversion in “power structure” globally if this technology is made feasible in small communities that are dedicated to making local efforts.

It doesn’t take a lot of science to figure out how to make compressed air! There’s a hell of a lot of smart, creative people out there that could create “events” about how to create and store “deposits” of compressed air in their communities. I’ve seen water pumps in the deserts of Africa being powered by children PLAYING on a carousel! How hard can it be to put folks to work compressing air?

What an easy way to clean the air too ay?

Brian

abhishek

Im not understanding that at higher speed how does engine work?

at higher speeds gasoline is used only for heater or used for heater as well as an ic engine is used

can u please replay……..

abhishek

Im not understanding that at higher speed how does engine work?

at higher speeds gasoline is used only for heater or used for heater as well as an ic engine is used

can u please replay……..

Jaglavak

There is no need for the “Big 4″ to put up bad publicity for the air car, the laws of thermodynamics, which are applicable to everything, are natural constraints to an air car being able to perform as claimed.

You will not see an air car of the size and performance necessary to replace vehicles currently in use on the roads.

It has been a nine year long litany of lies from MDI, and now they are planning to sell vehicles that weigh less than 500 lbs and develop 5.45 hp, I guess that is what you do when universal laws impose restrictions on your plans. I suppose they better do something soon before the investors revolt.

Whatever happened to the taxis they promised to produce in 2001 or the cars in South Africa in 2002, or the cars from Tata Motors? (Tata put of any production indefinitely)

Jaglavak

There is no need for the “Big 4″ to put up bad publicity for the air car, the laws of thermodynamics, which are applicable to everything, are natural constraints to an air car being able to perform as claimed.

You will not see an air car of the size and performance necessary to replace vehicles currently in use on the roads.

It has been a nine year long litany of lies from MDI, and now they are planning to sell vehicles that weigh less than 500 lbs and develop 5.45 hp, I guess that is what you do when universal laws impose restrictions on your plans. I suppose they better do something soon before the investors revolt.

Whatever happened to the taxis they promised to produce in 2001 or the cars in South Africa in 2002, or the cars from Tata Motors? (Tata put of any production indefinitely)

Martino

It seems that a majority of the posters have no knowledge whatsoever of physics, more specifically thermodynamics.

MDI has survived all of these years without producing anything by simply issuing press releases that placate the investors for a while and lure in new investors.

A thorough understanding of the energy in the air car system will elucidate the shortcomings of air as an energy storage medium for vehicles.

You can always fool some of the people all of the time, and that is what MDI has done for the last 15 years.

Martino

It seems that a majority of the posters have no knowledge whatsoever of physics, more specifically thermodynamics.

MDI has survived all of these years without producing anything by simply issuing press releases that placate the investors for a while and lure in new investors.

A thorough understanding of the energy in the air car system will elucidate the shortcomings of air as an energy storage medium for vehicles.

You can always fool some of the people all of the time, and that is what MDI has done for the last 15 years.

Squashoil

Just for kicks and giggles, it seems that Steven Mark had merely rediscovered (or constructed a scaled down version) of Thomas Henry Moray’s “Valve” from the 30’s:

Here’s one of MANY links that prove magnetic wave energy capture “technology” is being purposely suppressed:

No one was able to prove Moray a fraud then, and no one is able to prove Mark a fraud today. Go ahead, google info about his device and find out what happened and why.

Sorry to detract from the air car again, but it is relevant when you take into perspective how the attitude of the “impossibility” of an air car is melting away before your eyes… perhaps the disbelief that our current power infrastructure has practically ALWAYS been a means of class separation through withholding of information.

No one was able to prove Moray a fraud then, and no one is able to prove Mark a fraud today. Go ahead, google info about his device and find out what happened and why.

Sorry to detract from the air car again, but it is relevant when you take into perspective how the attitude of the “impossibility” of an air car is melting away before your eyes… perhaps the disbelief that our current power infrastructure has practically ALWAYS been a means of class separation through withholding of information.

i think that this car is a good car if you like to be crammed in a box. no one will by this car because it looks like a box without sides, now if you made these cars in a car we drive nowdays then people would bye them. this cars have good mpg but you also have to figure in the cost for electricty and repair for parts and other stuff, by the looks of it the air take wood cost $1,000.00 or more if it got damege and the way people drive now you would have to make twice as many parts then cars.

chris l

i think that this car is a good car if you like to be crammed in a box. no one will by this car because it looks like a box without sides, now if you made these cars in a car we drive nowdays then people would bye them. this cars have good mpg but you also have to figure in the cost for electricty and repair for parts and other stuff, by the looks of it the air take wood cost $1,000.00 or more if it got damege and the way people drive now you would have to make twice as many parts then cars.

Manwithbrains

It seems as if Mr squashforbrains does not understand that not everything on the internet is true, hence his posting of a link to a fraudulent device and some posters claims with regards to the efficacy of the device.

An education and the ability to discern truth from lies and frauds will serve you well in life. Some people love to believe in conspiracies, when in fact it is the excuse given when some bull sh*t idea never pans out.

As for the site that is linked, people such as MR Squash waste a lot of their time clinging to ridiculous unproven ideas and conspiracy theories.

They love to rant but offer nothing on their own, just repeating others claims and frauds, these ideas of others become their identity, their cause to celebrate, they become part of the masses in the “know”, a sense of belonging ensues and they find their place in the world.

blah blah blah, no real proof is ever offered, just stories and claims, is that enough for you, well go ahead and waste your time.

Manwithbrains

It seems as if Mr squashforbrains does not understand that not everything on the internet is true, hence his posting of a link to a fraudulent device and some posters claims with regards to the efficacy of the device.

An education and the ability to discern truth from lies and frauds will serve you well in life. Some people love to believe in conspiracies, when in fact it is the excuse given when some bull sh*t idea never pans out.

As for the site that is linked, people such as MR Squash waste a lot of their time clinging to ridiculous unproven ideas and conspiracy theories.

They love to rant but offer nothing on their own, just repeating others claims and frauds, these ideas of others become their identity, their cause to celebrate, they become part of the masses in the “know”, a sense of belonging ensues and they find their place in the world.

blah blah blah, no real proof is ever offered, just stories and claims, is that enough for you, well go ahead and waste your time.

Leon Thinks

If you happen to check out the link offered by Mr Squash, and read the drivel that is written, do not forget to check the footnotes.

The article was written by the lead “free energy” figure that runs the website that is of course about the free energy devices. When you check the footnotes you will see that all of the footnotes about Moray are from a book written by… yes you guessed it Mr. Moray himself, how is that for an unbiased source.

It is unbelievable that there is such self supporting reasoning that exists in the world of the “Free energy” enthusiasts. Who needs proof and logic when all you are writing to is bumbling fools.

Leon Thinks

If you happen to check out the link offered by Mr Squash, and read the drivel that is written, do not forget to check the footnotes.

The article was written by the lead “free energy” figure that runs the website that is of course about the free energy devices. When you check the footnotes you will see that all of the footnotes about Moray are from a book written by… yes you guessed it Mr. Moray himself, how is that for an unbiased source.

It is unbelievable that there is such self supporting reasoning that exists in the world of the “Free energy” enthusiasts. Who needs proof and logic when all you are writing to is bumbling fools.

Brian Wiegand

Unfortunately, most compressed air vehicle efforts are frauds. The extreme performance claims are one tip off, but there are others. For instance, there often is a constant barrage of new product announcements, news of deals with established (or not so established) corporations leading to a supposed synergy and immenent production; however, the production dates keep fading off into the future, with previously announced products just quietly dropping out of sight, and many of the announced corporate alliances turn out to have been merely tentative explorations that result only in a lot of hype but not in any solid commitments.

The bottom line of many of these enterprises (if one can call them that) is to to excite potential customers into placing deposits on future production (which never materializes), to obtain substancial financial commitments from prospective dealers (who never get any vehicles to sell), and to acquire even larger sums from gullible investors (Bernie Madoff would love this). The truely regrettable aspect to all this is how few of these perpetrators get prosecuted (Preston Tucker would be chagrined).

Brian Wiegand

Unfortunately, most compressed air vehicle efforts are frauds. The extreme performance claims are one tip off, but there are others. For instance, there often is a constant barrage of new product announcements, news of deals with established (or not so established) corporations leading to a supposed synergy and immenent production; however, the production dates keep fading off into the future, with previously announced products just quietly dropping out of sight, and many of the announced corporate alliances turn out to have been merely tentative explorations that result only in a lot of hype but not in any solid commitments.

The bottom line of many of these enterprises (if one can call them that) is to to excite potential customers into placing deposits on future production (which never materializes), to obtain substancial financial commitments from prospective dealers (who never get any vehicles to sell), and to acquire even larger sums from gullible investors (Bernie Madoff would love this). The truely regrettable aspect to all this is how few of these perpetrators get prosecuted (Preston Tucker would be chagrined).

Sherman

Every single item mentioned by Mr Squash in support of the air car can be utilized much easier with an electric car.

His ideas for using technology to compress air is very poorly thought out, use the wind, water and solar to create electricity and it can be used for all other purposes AND electric cars. An entire infrastructure is already in place to transmit electricity and utilize it in a myriad of devices.

Mr Squash puts his faith in a wannabe “Formula 1″ engineer that never had one of his designs make it past qualifying runs, I repeat, the “successful” engineer never had his own engines make it into a Formula 1 race. This same engineer has been touting the production of air cars for the last 9 years and nothing ever materialized.

The air car appeals to those who do not understand thermodynamics and are unable to comprehend exactly what occurs with respect to the energy in an air car.

A few lies with respect to the performance of the air car is all that it takes to lure the ignorant to rally behind the concept, they never stop to learn the immutable laws of the universe that are relevant to the energy transformations that take place in a compressed air storage and utilization system, they rely of the words of a salesman, who never successfully managed to travel more than 5 miles in the air car, or live up to any of his performance or production claims.

Sherman

Every single item mentioned by Mr Squash in support of the air car can be utilized much easier with an electric car.

His ideas for using technology to compress air is very poorly thought out, use the wind, water and solar to create electricity and it can be used for all other purposes AND electric cars. An entire infrastructure is already in place to transmit electricity and utilize it in a myriad of devices.

Mr Squash puts his faith in a wannabe “Formula 1″ engineer that never had one of his designs make it past qualifying runs, I repeat, the “successful” engineer never had his own engines make it into a Formula 1 race. This same engineer has been touting the production of air cars for the last 9 years and nothing ever materialized.

The air car appeals to those who do not understand thermodynamics and are unable to comprehend exactly what occurs with respect to the energy in an air car.

A few lies with respect to the performance of the air car is all that it takes to lure the ignorant to rally behind the concept, they never stop to learn the immutable laws of the universe that are relevant to the energy transformations that take place in a compressed air storage and utilization system, they rely of the words of a salesman, who never successfully managed to travel more than 5 miles in the air car, or live up to any of his performance or production claims.

Francois

With regards to those who are enamored with the idea of an air car:

Compressed air for use in transportation is not new. Compressed air was used from the middle of the 19th century to early 20th century in a few public transportation systems. All of the uses were for very short distances and needed frequent refills of air.

Electric, diesel and internal combustion powered vehicles replaced the air powered vehicles due to their advantages.

Air powered vehicles were used in mines to eliminate the threat of explosion presented by electric and combustion powered vehicles when in proximity to explosive gases. Again, very frequent refilling was needed due to the very short range of the vehicles.

A thorough analysis of the thermodynamic principles at work in the compression, storage and utilization of compressed air will immediately reveal the disadvantages of a compressed air powered vehicle.

Massive energy losses are inherent in the production of compressed air due to the heat that is generated during compression, the heat generated is energy that is lost, wasted.

Air is a very low density energy storage medium, large volumes of air are needed to store the same amount of energy that can be stored in much smaller volumes either by batteries, or liquid fuels.

The volumes mentioned by MDI as the capacity of their tanks will not power a car for more than a few miles.

To power a vehicle for the distances claimed by MDI the size of the tank would be prohibitive.

The short range was demonstrated in the tests by MDI themselves.

Other means of powering vehicles are much more reasonable than compressed air, battery powered being much more superior.

MDI has never demonstrated any vehicle that can perform as they claim, they prey upon the lack of scientific knowledge of the general public and their desire for an answer to the reliance on fossil fuels.

Different is not always better.

An inventor will always try to present his idea in the best light, especially when money is involved.

Larger promises equals more $$$ dollars invested, more money in their pocket.

Why tell the truth when lies will enrich you?

The media is not very good at verifying claims, they exist to capture readers and viewers.

Francois

With regards to those who are enamored with the idea of an air car:

Compressed air for use in transportation is not new. Compressed air was used from the middle of the 19th century to early 20th century in a few public transportation systems. All of the uses were for very short distances and needed frequent refills of air.

Electric, diesel and internal combustion powered vehicles replaced the air powered vehicles due to their advantages.

Air powered vehicles were used in mines to eliminate the threat of explosion presented by electric and combustion powered vehicles when in proximity to explosive gases. Again, very frequent refilling was needed due to the very short range of the vehicles.

A thorough analysis of the thermodynamic principles at work in the compression, storage and utilization of compressed air will immediately reveal the disadvantages of a compressed air powered vehicle.

Massive energy losses are inherent in the production of compressed air due to the heat that is generated during compression, the heat generated is energy that is lost, wasted.

Air is a very low density energy storage medium, large volumes of air are needed to store the same amount of energy that can be stored in much smaller volumes either by batteries, or liquid fuels.

The volumes mentioned by MDI as the capacity of their tanks will not power a car for more than a few miles.

To power a vehicle for the distances claimed by MDI the size of the tank would be prohibitive.

The short range was demonstrated in the tests by MDI themselves.

Other means of powering vehicles are much more reasonable than compressed air, battery powered being much more superior.

MDI has never demonstrated any vehicle that can perform as they claim, they prey upon the lack of scientific knowledge of the general public and their desire for an answer to the reliance on fossil fuels.

Different is not always better.

An inventor will always try to present his idea in the best light, especially when money is involved.

Larger promises equals more $$$ dollars invested, more money in their pocket.

Why tell the truth when lies will enrich you?

The media is not very good at verifying claims, they exist to capture readers and viewers.

Paul Ashcroft

Let’s look at some numbers. 1,000 miles at 96 mph and a 75hp engine. Assume something as aerodynamic as a Prius the air drag would be about 36 hp, tire drag is similar so yes a 75 hp engine just might do it. Now they have to run the engine so let’s see how much energy they have – I’m going to switch to SI units. 75hp = 56kW. Consider you compress 300 cubic meters of air into a one cubic meter tank (that’s a pretty big tank) the energy is 47 kWh so the engine will run for about 50 minutes if it were perfect which is far from what is possible so for the other 9.5 hours they better be going down a very steep hill. Nope, not going happen. Let’s look at the cost – assuming a perfect compressor the 47kWh at about 10 cents each is $4.7 there’s the same amount of energy in about 1.3 gallons of gas (OK I’m back in imperial units) so at $1.86/gallon that’s about $2.46. All this assume perfect conversion which is far far from the truth but lets say that gas converts into engine power at only half the efficiency of compressed air the two costs are about on par. Of course most of the energy to generate US electricity comes from coal which is much dirtier than gas. Sorry there’s no free lunch. Compressed air is just a way of carrying energy so you have to pay for it at the value of the energy. Mind you compressing 300 cubic meters of air into a perfectly insulated container would leave it at 27,000 C (any know substance would vapourize) – hey maybe if we compress it enough and invent a magic substance we could create fusion – it’s about as likely as a compressed air car

Paul Ashcroft

Let’s look at some numbers. 1,000 miles at 96 mph and a 75hp engine. Assume something as aerodynamic as a Prius the air drag would be about 36 hp, tire drag is similar so yes a 75 hp engine just might do it. Now they have to run the engine so let’s see how much energy they have – I’m going to switch to SI units. 75hp = 56kW. Consider you compress 300 cubic meters of air into a one cubic meter tank (that’s a pretty big tank) the energy is 47 kWh so the engine will run for about 50 minutes if it were perfect which is far from what is possible so for the other 9.5 hours they better be going down a very steep hill. Nope, not going happen. Let’s look at the cost – assuming a perfect compressor the 47kWh at about 10 cents each is $4.7 there’s the same amount of energy in about 1.3 gallons of gas (OK I’m back in imperial units) so at $1.86/gallon that’s about $2.46. All this assume perfect conversion which is far far from the truth but lets say that gas converts into engine power at only half the efficiency of compressed air the two costs are about on par. Of course most of the energy to generate US electricity comes from coal which is much dirtier than gas. Sorry there’s no free lunch. Compressed air is just a way of carrying energy so you have to pay for it at the value of the energy. Mind you compressing 300 cubic meters of air into a perfectly insulated container would leave it at 27,000 C (any know substance would vapourize) – hey maybe if we compress it enough and invent a magic substance we could create fusion – it’s about as likely as a compressed air car

Derrick Morgan

Paul Ashcroft,

I doubt it very much that any of the air car aficionados understand anything you just explained.

If they had an understanding of the concepts you just described they would not be a fan of the air car.

Anyone with an understanding of thermodynamics and knowledge of exactly what “energy” is, will not be fooled by these fraudulent claims made by MDI.

The air car is only accepted as a viable alternative to current technology by the uneducated.

Derrick Morgan

Paul Ashcroft,

I doubt it very much that any of the air car aficionados understand anything you just explained.

If they had an understanding of the concepts you just described they would not be a fan of the air car.

Anyone with an understanding of thermodynamics and knowledge of exactly what “energy” is, will not be fooled by these fraudulent claims made by MDI.

The air car is only accepted as a viable alternative to current technology by the uneducated.

Ken

Tada has been promoting this thing since 2006 or so.Show us the car working in the US and in a three minute test drive. Love the idea the car should be made of composite plastics/graphite. I agree it gets the award for ugly. Comment on CO2 for makeing compressed air, not as bad as refining petrolem products. Would the Goverment then tax air?

Ken

Tada has been promoting this thing since 2006 or so.Show us the car working in the US and in a three minute test drive. Love the idea the car should be made of composite plastics/graphite. I agree it gets the award for ugly. Comment on CO2 for makeing compressed air, not as bad as refining petrolem products. Would the Goverment then tax air?

http://gas2.org Patty

I am wanting to purchase an Air Compressed Car when available but I need to know how it will operate in the winter. We get to -30 below for a few weeks, I will not be driving the Air car in these conditions but what about storage. I also drive 25 miles to work and for 5 miles I will climb to just over 1000 ft in elevation. How will this car do?

Thank you; PD

http://gas2.org Patty

I am wanting to purchase an Air Compressed Car when available but I need to know how it will operate in the winter. We get to -30 below for a few weeks, I will not be driving the Air car in these conditions but what about storage. I also drive 25 miles to work and for 5 miles I will climb to just over 1000 ft in elevation. How will this car do?

Thank you; PD

http://YAHOO GUY SOME

lET ME GIVE YOU PEOPLE AHEADS UP A MAGNETIC FLYWHEEL INCASED IN A VACUME POWERED BY A AIR MOTOR CONNECTED TO A GENERATOR IS THE DRIVE OF THE FUTURE

Doug Vernon

In the last wsek or so I’ve been hearing little drips and drabs of rumors about compressed air being a locomotion fuel for a car. Just a few moments ago I checked out the web and spotted a story that kind of rings true concerning the rumors. The latest story comes from somewhere in Europe. An inventor claims he has a car running on nothing but compressed air…no type of fuel to help it along….just air.

He says he fills up airtanks from a compressor he has in his garage. I saw the man and his car on television and it appears both were having a good old

air generated time. In time, he hopes to engineer a compressor to fit under the hood along side the air driven motor. No more fill-ups of anything.

Sounds like the long sought after perpetual motion

engine is just around the corner.

Doug Vernon

In the last wsek or so I’ve been hearing little drips and drabs of rumors about compressed air being a locomotion fuel for a car. Just a few moments ago I checked out the web and spotted a story that kind of rings true concerning the rumors. The latest story comes from somewhere in Europe. An inventor claims he has a car running on nothing but compressed air…no type of fuel to help it along….just air.

He says he fills up airtanks from a compressor he has in his garage. I saw the man and his car on television and it appears both were having a good old

air generated time. In time, he hopes to engineer a compressor to fit under the hood along side the air driven motor. No more fill-ups of anything.

Sounds like the long sought after perpetual motion

engine is just around the corner.

John Pizza

Using compressed air to power an automobile is not an efficient use of electrical energy, due to losses above 80% during compression.

None of the claims made by MDI have ever been proven, in fact most of the claims are in direct contradiction to known laws of the universe.

There will never be an air powered car due to the low amount of energy stored in compressed air.

MDI is nothing but a group of men who figured out a way to get free publicity by making extravagant claims that lure new investors to their scam.

Look at the current vehicle touted by MDI, a ridiculous little vehicle with an output of less than 5 hp that is not even capable of being used on a public road.

Tata Motors announced in October of 2008 that they have no current plans to produce an air car.

MDI has lied for the last 9 years, if they were ready to produce cars in 2001 what happened, did they lose the plans, No they lied and kept lying to get free publicity to get more investors.

If you have no understanding of the scientific principles involved in the transformation of electrical energy into compressed air and then into mechanical energy, you have no business commenting on the viability of the air car.

You will never see the air car used for anything more than a golf cart.

if you would get an education in thermodynamics you might understand.

Ken, By the way, Tata never promoted the air car, MDI used Tata’s name to try to gain credibility.

Patty, Do not hold your breath, you will not ever see an air car on the streets, maybe on a golf course.

If you knew the complete history of MDI, and Mr. Negre you would understand and would not bother with hope for an air car.

Do not believe what you read in the media, they often just reprint press releases from companies if they are incredible enough, all in the pursuit of readers.

I trust the National Enquirer more than some of the idiots that contribute to websites and magazines, the so called journalists do not bother to gain insight into the science behind a technology because it would discredit their sensational story.

Besides that, most of these journalists do not have enough education in science to understand the implications of what all is involved in the claims made by companies such as MDI, they just print the press release to garner viewers and traffic to websites and magazines.

John Pizza

Using compressed air to power an automobile is not an efficient use of electrical energy, due to losses above 80% during compression.

None of the claims made by MDI have ever been proven, in fact most of the claims are in direct contradiction to known laws of the universe.

There will never be an air powered car due to the low amount of energy stored in compressed air.

MDI is nothing but a group of men who figured out a way to get free publicity by making extravagant claims that lure new investors to their scam.

Look at the current vehicle touted by MDI, a ridiculous little vehicle with an output of less than 5 hp that is not even capable of being used on a public road.

Tata Motors announced in October of 2008 that they have no current plans to produce an air car.

MDI has lied for the last 9 years, if they were ready to produce cars in 2001 what happened, did they lose the plans, No they lied and kept lying to get free publicity to get more investors.

If you have no understanding of the scientific principles involved in the transformation of electrical energy into compressed air and then into mechanical energy, you have no business commenting on the viability of the air car.

You will never see the air car used for anything more than a golf cart.

if you would get an education in thermodynamics you might understand.

Ken, By the way, Tata never promoted the air car, MDI used Tata’s name to try to gain credibility.

Patty, Do not hold your breath, you will not ever see an air car on the streets, maybe on a golf course.

If you knew the complete history of MDI, and Mr. Negre you would understand and would not bother with hope for an air car.

Do not believe what you read in the media, they often just reprint press releases from companies if they are incredible enough, all in the pursuit of readers.

I trust the National Enquirer more than some of the idiots that contribute to websites and magazines, the so called journalists do not bother to gain insight into the science behind a technology because it would discredit their sensational story.

Besides that, most of these journalists do not have enough education in science to understand the implications of what all is involved in the claims made by companies such as MDI, they just print the press release to garner viewers and traffic to websites and magazines.

Fernndes Joseph

The compressor producing compressed air could be water cooled. this warm water could be used to produce domestic hot water and for heating. The storage is simple. Contact me if you need details. We could kill two birds with the same stone.

Fernndes Joseph

The compressor producing compressed air could be water cooled. this warm water could be used to produce domestic hot water and for heating. The storage is simple. Contact me if you need details. We could kill two birds with the same stone.

http://stevensrandy@hotmail.com Randy

Has this car been tested for passing, climbing hills, and I haven’t checked lately, how about a heater, what about the snow, and how it handles, is it in the U.S. yet??? these questions need to be answered………..Thank You

Avagadro

All of you overlook one simple fact, none of the performance claims made by MDI has been proven.

Investors when they sign license agreements must acknowledge that the claims are forward looking and may never be obtained and the vehicle is not guaranteed to be a commercial success.

If the claims were proven they would not be considered forward looking. They will take you money but give no promises, Negre must be a friend of Bernie Madoff.

Avagadro

All of you overlook one simple fact, none of the performance claims made by MDI has been proven.

Investors when they sign license agreements must acknowledge that the claims are forward looking and may never be obtained and the vehicle is not guaranteed to be a commercial success.

If the claims were proven they would not be considered forward looking. They will take you money but give no promises, Negre must be a friend of Bernie Madoff.

Merts

It’s not a pure air vehicle its a hybrid (ICE&Air)its advantage over electric hybrids are: a)higher power density;b)less toxic waste generation for energy storage(battery v.s. carbon fiber tanks);c)if there’s a separation of ICE exhaust or if a heat exchanger is used,waste gas from compressed air powered pistons can be used to cool the passenger compartment without added energy loss as opposed to electric or ICE vehicles with a separately powered aircon.

Its worth studying if pre-heating of compressed air with alcohol fueled burner prior to injection to the pistons would increase mileage but still keep the carbon emission level significantly lower?

Merts

It’s not a pure air vehicle its a hybrid (ICE&Air)its advantage over electric hybrids are: a)higher power density;b)less toxic waste generation for energy storage(battery v.s. carbon fiber tanks);c)if there’s a separation of ICE exhaust or if a heat exchanger is used,waste gas from compressed air powered pistons can be used to cool the passenger compartment without added energy loss as opposed to electric or ICE vehicles with a separately powered aircon.

Its worth studying if pre-heating of compressed air with alcohol fueled burner prior to injection to the pistons would increase mileage but still keep the carbon emission level significantly lower?

vince Nissig

The air car is where it has always been, stuck in neutral.

The air car is subject to the laws of thermodynamics, that is why it will never live up to the hype.

Words, which when strung together in a particular fashion can be made to sound great to the ears of listeners.

Words, can me strung together to make it sound as if anything is possible.

Words, can be used to deceive the reader or listener, into believing what is not true.

Words, can not change facts. They can lie about facts, but the truth is the air car, will not ever be the answer to the transportation needs of the general public.

Golfers maybe.

vince Nissig

The air car is where it has always been, stuck in neutral.

The air car is subject to the laws of thermodynamics, that is why it will never live up to the hype.

Words, which when strung together in a particular fashion can be made to sound great to the ears of listeners.

Words, can me strung together to make it sound as if anything is possible.

Words, can be used to deceive the reader or listener, into believing what is not true.

Words, can not change facts. They can lie about facts, but the truth is the air car, will not ever be the answer to the transportation needs of the general public.

Golfers maybe.

Dan Morgenthal

It seems as though the air car lovers blindly ignore the facts that are contrary to their view of how things should be, or they do not understand science.

Very simple science when applied to the claims of MDI, completely refute all of their claims.

You do not see an air car for sale because the underlying facts do not support the claims of MDI.

Why after nine years of production happening “Next year” have no cars been produced, or tested, evaluated by independent reviewers?

Because, the cars always come up short, they can not perform as claimed.

It seems as if most of the country has an attention span of around 60 seconds. They get their education in sound bites and news shorts.

To ask most people to do independent research is too much, they just believe what they read, too bad the communication majors wrote the articles and they have no background in the sciences, they just want readers, and do not seek the truth, they will write what gets viewers, the more sensational the better.

Then the lies get a life of their own.

You will not see an air car on a highway, golf course maybe, you will see.

The energy is not there.

Dan Morgenthal

It seems as though the air car lovers blindly ignore the facts that are contrary to their view of how things should be, or they do not understand science.

Very simple science when applied to the claims of MDI, completely refute all of their claims.

You do not see an air car for sale because the underlying facts do not support the claims of MDI.

Why after nine years of production happening “Next year” have no cars been produced, or tested, evaluated by independent reviewers?

Because, the cars always come up short, they can not perform as claimed.

It seems as if most of the country has an attention span of around 60 seconds. They get their education in sound bites and news shorts.

To ask most people to do independent research is too much, they just believe what they read, too bad the communication majors wrote the articles and they have no background in the sciences, they just want readers, and do not seek the truth, they will write what gets viewers, the more sensational the better.

Then the lies get a life of their own.

You will not see an air car on a highway, golf course maybe, you will see.

The energy is not there.

John Pizza

For a history of the air car and the press releases and articles from as far back as 1998 cut and paste this:

Then you will have an idea of what has been claimed by MDI over the years. See if you would trust what they say today after reading what they said back then.

Charlie

MDI and ZPM are no longer entered in the X-prize competition.

The project has seen further delays.

As always, the first car to go on sale will be “next year”, just as it was in 2000 when MDI said cars would go on sale in 2001.

They have reduced the air car down to the size and performance of a golf cart. Perhaps they can actually deliver something now.

We’ll know “next year”. Then again, perhaps next year we will just find out that the MDI/ZPM air car will be available the year after that.

Charlie

MDI and ZPM are no longer entered in the X-prize competition.

The project has seen further delays.

As always, the first car to go on sale will be “next year”, just as it was in 2000 when MDI said cars would go on sale in 2001.

They have reduced the air car down to the size and performance of a golf cart. Perhaps they can actually deliver something now.

We’ll know “next year”. Then again, perhaps next year we will just find out that the MDI/ZPM air car will be available the year after that.

http://gas2.org Frank

Hurry up already get this to the USA market. What a way to travel around the city and short trips.

http://gas2.org Frank

Hurry up already get this to the USA market. What a way to travel around the city and short trips.

sherry bohanon

Will the air car have air conditioning? Sounds silly but I am serious about the purchase of the car and I just thought about the option that will be available.

Thank You

sherry bohanon

Will the air car have air conditioning? Sounds silly but I am serious about the purchase of the car and I just thought about the option that will be available.

Thank You

Simon Tiong

very del ighted to see CAT on street. who can purchase? Any available model for asia market? can’t wait to see it.

GREAT!

Simon Tiong

very del ighted to see CAT on street. who can purchase? Any available model for asia market? can’t wait to see it.

GREAT!

Charlie

For Sherry Bohanon, Oct 5, 2009: The current prototypes are not the one shown in the article, but are a golf cart sized vehicle called the AirPod. MDI has build a few prototypes. The people that have driven them say they are like a sauna because none of the windows open and there is no air conditioning or even a fan. MDI could easily add some air conditioning since the exhaust air from the engine is about -20 degrees C. This cold air tells us that the engine is running rather inefficiently, but that inefficient cold exhaust could be used for air conditioning.

For Simon Tiong: MDI has never delivered a single vehicle to any customer. None are for sale anywhere in the world. As has been true since 2000, the cars will go on sale “next year”.

Charlie

For Sherry Bohanon, Oct 5, 2009: The current prototypes are not the one shown in the article, but are a golf cart sized vehicle called the AirPod. MDI has build a few prototypes. The people that have driven them say they are like a sauna because none of the windows open and there is no air conditioning or even a fan. MDI could easily add some air conditioning since the exhaust air from the engine is about -20 degrees C. This cold air tells us that the engine is running rather inefficiently, but that inefficient cold exhaust could be used for air conditioning.

For Simon Tiong: MDI has never delivered a single vehicle to any customer. None are for sale anywhere in the world. As has been true since 2000, the cars will go on sale “next year”.

REB

The sad thing is these ideas and many others are so undeveloped; even though they have been around for years!

The problem for the most part is simple;THE GOVERNMENT!

They have to go to india? All these morons who think govt is a force for good,wake up! We dont have this stuff precicely because of them!

Americans always tinkered in their garages and fixed our problems one at a time,now we have to beg some govt thug to have permission to try! Lets just do it and screw themin the govicorp!

REB

The sad thing is these ideas and many others are so undeveloped; even though they have been around for years!

The problem for the most part is simple;THE GOVERNMENT!

They have to go to india? All these morons who think govt is a force for good,wake up! We dont have this stuff precicely because of them!

Americans always tinkered in their garages and fixed our problems one at a time,now we have to beg some govt thug to have permission to try! Lets just do it and screw themin the govicorp!

http://stevensrandy@hotmail.com Randy

I haven’t heard about the air car 4 a long time, where is it at, and what progress has been made, e-mail me at stevensrandy@hotmail.com

Ryan Kropus

what if you add a compressor that was powered by an altenator driven by a belt hooked on to the engine?

Ryan Kropus

what if you add a compressor that was powered by an altenator driven by a belt hooked on to the engine?

http://Web Charlie

It’s September 2010. Still no MDI air car.

MDI does not have any official schedule for production, but rumors are that it will be available “next year”.

But “next year” has been the status of the various MDI aircars since over 10 years ago.

My bet is that in September 2011, production will be expected, as usual, “next year”.

http://Web Chuck Davis

I will be moving to Chile and am interested if I can import an air car…
thanks

http://Web ryan

rather than using compressed air ,i think using using electrically batteried car with alightweight turbine kind of thing attached to the car which could charge the battery on the go and thereby no compressed air would be required , and for the initial ignition one could use the battery, thereafter the turbine/fan could charge the battery on the go

http://Web joe

This could work as a plug in hybrid, let me explain. When the car is charging(3-4 hours) an electric motor is powering a multistage piston reciprocating air compressor that has liquid intercooling between stages and around the cylinders. The heat of compression would be stored in an insulated tank filled with paraffin or a eutectic salt solution. The energy density/kilogram of this ‘thermal battery’ could match or exceed that of electric batteries, even though it could be bulkier. Even a modified 40 gallon hot water could be used for this. 120 pounds of water heated from 50F to 210F degrees contains the energy of 1 pound of gasoline. So 40 gallons of very hot water contain about 1/2 gallon of gasoline energy. The compressed air tank(s) would also be contained within an insulated heat storage tank The compressor would also be insulated, to keep heat loss to a minimum.
When the car is running the compressor becomes a multistage expansion engine-similar to triple expansion steam engines-with interheating between stages using the stored heat of compression.
Now comes the best part. The waste heat from a small gasoline engine can be used to boost the reheating process increasing the power and range of this car.
This could also be a partial electric car with a few batteries and a small generator powered by the gas engine powering the compressor motor as an electric drive motor.
This can reduce expensive battery usage, not use a transmission, and the compressor/expansion engine can be made of aluminum to reduce weight.

http://Web Adi Patria

This is good idea. We don’t carry the pollution tailpipe in to the city or our garage and let the professionals handle the pollution at power plant. For power plant they can use other sources of energy.

http://Web olivia

Gosh, sites no longer available…You tube removed…and all the negative comments…HMMMM. One might think there is a concerted effort to squash information.
To those who insist these cars are not energy efficient, might I refer you back to the information presented.
Car recompresses in two minutes at a gas station. Last I knew that runs about a quarter. At home, using a electric compressor, about 4 hours …$2. Range of 1 tank of air + 8 gal gas to recompress as you drive…848 miles. Without the gas assist all that comes out of the tailpipe is water. AND, the air tank is made of carbon fiber that splits upon impact = no explosion, only a whoosh of air.
Frankly, I can’t think of a cleaner vehicle.

http://Web Gary C Cooper

How can I contact the manufacturer to try and purchase one of these vehicles.

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http://Web damir

where to buy such scooter or motorbike ?

John Riggott

Compressed Air driven vehicles were designed as a continuation of the relative sucess of Steam driven Trucks and cars, the first solar energy car was build around 1929 then after this came the electric vehicles, my father had a fleet of Electric Milk Delivery Trucks, this was in the early 50’s, these had huge batteries chargable in about 6 hours, Having worked on the the design of Gas Turbines for Aircraft for many years I have come to the conclusion that if I had to design a new type of Engine it would be a combination of a Electrically driven Screw Compressor to feed and Air Motor. I am English but live in the South of Spain so I would like to experiment on the above using Solar Energy.
One could probably redesign or modify the old Wankel Rotary Engine….?

The use of a on board 3stage air compressor only needs a small air tank & can produce 6,000lbs of air 24/7 through a 3.5″ pipe ; = LINEAR MOTORS powering the pistons. Example #BLDD-06 powers the 1st stage & pumps air into the 2nd stage @ 200lbs from only 4amps. (600lbs/12amps@10%duty) @a28″stroke. etc…progressively stronger or groups of LINEAR MOTORS pump air into the next camber etc…Do the math. It only takes a small amount of energy to make alot of power, using VOICE COILS or LINEAR MOTORS. And all you need is 1 car alternator & something 2 power it . i use perpetual motion however you can use whatever you want.Contact me mike peine at perpetualmotion100 &learn 4 free how 2 build your own free energy device . HELP END POVERTY NOW ! TODAY ! Air cars 1st patented in the 1 8 2 0’s -?- Big Oil in 1858 ! These cars will make great tractors 4 the poor. i cant do Email.

http://twitter.com/HindiTweets Anand

Air has a diesel like effect at high pressure a property that has been used for mining equipment.

It is necessary to evaluate commercially as well as environmentally as to how much gasoline will be used by the air compressors on board assuming the number of cars on road world over.

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