What does it mean to be a skeptic? Not to believe what the government tells you? Not to believe what those wacky progressives tell you? Not to believe anything? It seems that many who try to debunk the 9/11 Truth movement think that their logic and skepticism is more rigorous than ours. Yet all they are really saying is, "Don't question anything, believe what the authorities tell you." Their critiques are often full of deceitful, lawyerly techniques. Don't forget, these are the kind people who rationalize for the continuance of a completely corrupt form of society. Capitalism, the US specifically, has, in its short-sightedness, succeeded in putting the earth down an inevitable path to environmental and ecological catastrophe. Please see this site on mass extinction for a taste of what we have done to the earth:

Don't forget: you are the authority of your reality! Not the TV, not police, not Senators, not your parents or friends, and not the fucking president! Don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot believe! This system is completely broken and those who cannot face it or want to hide it from you will use every hypocrital, dirty, deceitful trick in the book. It is up to each and every one of us to awaken and decide what we believe and what we stand for. It should be clear what I believe, but that does not mean that I expect you to automatically believe the same things.

It is telling to note who offers you information and facts and who offers you persuasion and opinions. The 9/11 Truth movement has facts, our opponents have "gut-feelings," ridicule, and deception.

"But for the most part, conspiracies lure those who seek the comfort of simplicity -- whether the duped reside in Van Nuys or Venezia. What are conspiracy theories, really, other than one-size-fits-all explanations for terribly complex and often contradictory realities? And subscribing to any such theory also avoids the discomfort of self-examination."

For those of us who have thrown ourselves into studying the hidden facts behind 9/11, has it really about comfort or simplicity!? Has this endeavor really helped you "AVOID THE DISCOMFORT OF SELF-EXAMINATION."? CAN YOU SAY "DELUDED" OR "HYPOCRISY"? I HOPE SO!!

I don't think any independent 9/11 researcher, amateur or professional, claims to know exactly what happened. We are simply asking for a more open and truthful investigation.

Sorrry could not resist this great and most appropro song..Til more dems and most folks stop believing the bushevik lies then 9/11 will have a follow up..US govt history shows a long pattern of lies and abusing their own citizens for the aristorats and corporats

"What have they done to the earth?What have they done to our fair sister?Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit herStuck her with knives in the side of the dawnAnd tied her with fences and dragged her downI hear a very gentle soundWith your ear down to the groundWe want the world and we want it... X2Now, Now?, Now!Persian night, babe, See the light, babeSave us!, Jesus!, Save us!So when the music's overWhen the music's over, yeahWhen the music's overTurn out the lights X3Well the music is your special friendDance on fire as it intendsMusic is your only friendUntil the end X3 " Doors 1968

Great thread delver! This thread and philb's thread about "Relevent Information" are in the same area of activism. Very much where I started in 1985 working towards unity in a deeply philosophical way. What is curious is that the philosophy had a very physical reality relating to what you say below. Which is true generally but only past the fundament of an agreement all life has on earth whether it knows it or not.

Posted by delver

It should be clear what I believe, but that does not mean that I expect you to automatically believe the same things.

There is an exception to this for rational, thinking people.

We can make a short list of beliefs that are fully rational and absolutely shared, and if that sharing is not acknowledged, the person who cannot acknowledge looses credibility as a reasonable person. They cannot be trusted in their motives as a sociopath cannot be. Currently in America only a fraction can assimilate a working belief in these factors which I think underlines how screwed up Americans are.

There are three absolutes that all humans need, (all life) and to not believe they are absolute needs, renders one incompetent.

Life

Air

Water

After that, conditions change too much. Awareness of that fact creates tolerence in others beliefs, which I think is your point.

Those three elements were basically a part of Indigenous Americans and other Indigenous peoples around the planet. It was programmed into generation after generation. Those people could always return to that common ground and work outward afresh to understand their fellow humans condition.

Then, they could work together, they could agree and unify.

Unity does not depend on subject matter, it depends on awareness of what is absolutely shared. Once that is shared, differences can be accounted for and proportionately set aside for later.

Believe it or not NO activist in my 20 years of activisim has seen how critical this is as I tried to convince them to work with me in an agreement intended to grow and grow.

I don't believe everything I've been told about 9/11. I think about everything I know about it and come to my own conclusions. That link you posted at the bottom is kinda funny but so are many of the theories that it tries to debunk. You have to at least admit that. Some of what they said on there is inadequate to debunk anything.

and steel was immediately shipped off shore, damaging the US economy, there is full reason to believe that NOTHING official can be believed until it has been determined to be congreuent with raw evidence.

Remember the 3,000 murdered Americans Sgt. Baker. Believe they had rights violated and those rights are YOUR rights too.

When their families were deprived of due process, so was every other American. If one American is deprived of equal protecxtion of law, that deprivation may well extend to all other Americans because what protects one, may protect many.

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