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LOL, the internet. Big fights have happened for less (terminology/communication) - you will find the biggest area where we get hung up is "Trained indication" "alert" etc. That one gets crazy.

02-06-2014 02:18 AM

DutchKarin

Oops, I'll be more careful with the terms next time.

Nancy, you are correct on your read of yoyo. The "Z" pattern is the find/alert/refind pattern. SORRY.

BTW here is a series of video that include several alerts including a "tug" alert. Just to get it all out there. But I'm sticking with the jump alert. Will report back as we .... hopefully... make progress.

My read on the yo-you just to make sure that I got it right since I missed the person bringsel term was the dog doing multiple recall-refinds between the subject and the handler until the handler gets to the subject.

Z - search - I was kind of thinking she was referring to the general pattern of the dog naturally casting about her scanning for scent.

02-05-2014 10:29 PM

gsdsar

Dutchkarin, gonna hijack here a bit to clarify some things.

I am not familiar with the terms "z" pattern and yo-yo.

I think by Z pattern you are referring to the way the dogs crosses in and out if a scent cone, getting closer to victim each time. Right? If not can you explain?

And I am clueless on the yoyo thing. Help?

As for the indication, use what the dog offers naturally. An indication should not be too hard for a hard to pattern out. If he is a natural jumper, great. If not, then having to teach him to do something he does not like doing will cause issues when he under actual stress.

I agree with Nancy in regards to be careful that you don't accidentally add in a chain you don't mean to. When I was doing wilderness, the dogs that did a recall/refund, their handlers were constantly making sure to keep moving, not stopping, not cueing the dog, in fact they would turn and walk another way, they would drink water, check their compass.

Also I would not be doing this in conjunction with any actual scent work. Think Nancy said this already.

The "people bringsel" (tug on handler) yes THAT approach is fine.....I would absolutely NOT recommend the European Bringsel approach for a SAR dog for two reasons.

(1)The dog is going through the woods with yet another dangly thing on its collar and one that is primed for getting caught in the brush-I am used to seeing, GPS collar, E-collar for some, and a bell on most offlead SAR dogs (all of these a pretty snug and don't get caught up)
(2)The dog may hit on a victim 1/4 mile away (we have seen that with low mountainous terrain here on a breezy day) - Now that dog is running back and forth between the victim and the dog until you get to the victim (assuming you use a recall-refind which you would with a bringsel) - Mouth closed to hold the darned thing. Not good for cooling

On a typical search, (today's training was no exception ) we come back bloody from briars and Beau often has scratches on his nose, blood dripping from his tongue and we both have to fight through "waitaminute" vines and go through deadfall from storms and logging operations...all peachy things to snag you and your gear)

Well I will stick with the jump alert, however I think the "people bringsel" is a very good way to go. We don't have as much swampland here and if all goes well, I hope to be able to qualify for the Yosemite Dog SAR, YoDogs. Then I can work above 7500 feet in Wilderness areas. That would be cool.

Thanks everyone.

02-05-2014 10:41 AM

David Winners

This is really interesting. I'm intrigued by the bringsel indication.

I found this article. The short section on bringsel training is on page 12. It's not very detailed, but I can see how they train it. Something I'm going to try.