I thought this was funny. New sign at the woody hayes athletic center:

Just looked it up, and as I suspected you also have to apply for Michigan's engineering program, in addition to their business school (which I previously mentioned is nearly impossible to get into). I have a feeling this has more to do with it than OSU expecting more than the team up north from their student athletes.

- I'm really excited for the Michigan State/Boise State game to kickoff the season. I know Boise's probably not going to be as good as the past couple years, but I am a fan of Petersen and the work he's done with them.

- The Spartans are going to have a solid, but unspectacular year; somewhere around 8-4. A lot of questions on the offensive side of the ball at QB and WR. Andrew Maxwell played good in mp up duty, but can he play as well as the starter? And as alluded to earlier, if Arnett gets his waiver to play immediately, he's one of the starting WRs, alongside Bennie Fowler. I also expect one of the freshman wideouts to get a lot of playing time this season.

- Fortunately, the running game should be powerful, with Bell and Caper back, plus Nick Hill will probably get some more looks in the backfield. The offensive line should be stout again this year, with starting experience at all positions except left guard.

- The defense should be the best part of the Spartans this year, as the majority of the starters are back. Gholston and Rush should have good years coming off the defensive end positions. I expected Chris Norman to have a breakout year last year, with Greg Jones gone, but it never really happened. We'll see if he can become an impact player this year.

- As far as other teams go, I look forward to seeing how much Minnesota improves. I've always liked them, oddly, and would like to see them make some steps forward.

Also, I like Jordan Hall, I don't know why, but he's always been an interesting player to watch.

And any OSU fans know what ever happened to James Jackson? I know he transferred out to some smaller school, but I never really heard why. I figured it's because he realized he can't play football. >.>

Good Writeup. Still think you guys will be better than 8-4 this season. Love the running game and the front seven defenders are good to very good.

That will get you a lot of wins. I liked cousins as a person but his game was average. I doubt that you miss him too much.

I think Michigan State will do better than 8-4 as well, if for no other reason than the Big Ten looks weak this year. Of the top tier teams, only Michigan is likely to be improved (or OSU, but they certainly weren't top tier last year). Some lower-tier teams could improve (Minnesota and Indiana can't get much worse) but I'm not sure that's a major threat to Michigan State.

I think Michigan State will do better than 8-4 as well, if for no other reason than the Big Ten looks weak this year. Of the top tier teams, only Michigan is likely to be improved (or OSU, but they certainly weren't top tier last year). Some lower-tier teams could improve (Minnesota and Indiana can't get much worse) but I'm not sure that's a major threat to Michigan State.

I just feel like there will be a lot of close games this season, with the passing game iffy at the outset.

Games that worry me this season: Notre Dame (always play oddly against them), Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska, w/ Iowa and Northwestern seeming like a threat to beat us every year. I think somewhere between those games is 3-4 losses.

Just looked it up, and as I suspected you also have to apply for Michigan's engineering program, in addition to their business school (which I previously mentioned is nearly impossible to get into). I have a feeling this has more to do with it than OSU expecting more than the team up north from their student athletes.

Don't mind him, looking at his collective posting history on the B1G he obviously has a Napoleon complex.

OSU is pretty highly thought of for a giant public university. Admissions are much more difficult now than 15 years ago. It's definitely not as good as UM in the majority of majors, but it's not a joke to get into anymore. Standards are pretty high for a school with such a large student population.

It's definitely not a bad school (you could have said that about 20-30 years ago). Across the board it matches up with a school like UT.

Regardless, comparing the collective intelligence of football players of BCS football programs outside of a handful of schools (Stanford, Notre Dame, and Vandy come to mind) is like having a tallest midget contest.

Yes, there are outlier players that are intelligent and educated. But OSU and UM are not shining examples of having a lot of those.

Don't mind him, looking at his collective posting history on the B1G he obviously has a Napoleon complex.

OSU is pretty highly thought of for a giant public university. Admissions are much more difficult now than 15 years ago. It's definitely not as good as UM in the majority of majors, but it's not a joke to get into anymore. Standards are pretty high for a school with such a large student population.

It's definitely not a bad school (you could have said that about 20-30 years ago). Across the board it matches up with a school like UT.

Regardless, comparing the collective intelligence of football players of BCS football programs outside of a handful of schools (Stanford, Notre Dame, and Vandy come to mind) is like having a tallest midget contest.

Yes, there are outlier players that are intelligent and educated. But OSU and UM are not shining examples of having a lot of those.

Napoleon Complex? Based on what? Do you even understand what that is? For all you know I'm 6'6''.

Also, how it relates to football players? The picture was posted that showed OSU having more players in Engineering and Business and that was supposedly some sort of statement that these players pushed themselves harder than those from Michigan. I refuted that by simply suggesting that MAYBE this had something to do with that you can't just show up at UM and say "I'm an engineering major" or "I'm a business major" like you can at OSU thus making those comparisons apples and oranges. I wasn't discussing the intelligence of the two teams at all but I will happily discuss yours if you'd like.

Napoleon Complex? Based on what? Do you even understand what that is? For all you know I'm 6'6''.

Also, how it relates to football players? The picture was posted that showed OSU having more players in Engineering and Business and that was supposedly some sort of statement that these players pushed themselves harder than those from Michigan. I refuted that by simply suggesting that MAYBE this had something to do with that you can't just show up at UM and say "I'm an engineering major" or "I'm a business major" like you can at OSU thus making those comparisons apples and oranges. I wasn't discussing the intelligence of the two teams at all but I will happily discuss yours if you'd like.

Apparently you don't understand context. Napoleon Complex: "Napoleon complex is an informal term describing an alleged type of inferiority complex which is said to affect some people, especially men, who are short in stature. The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives."

You love to harp on the short comings of OSU, in this case, on the academic side. So to spell it out, it was a dig on you. It was a joke for being OCD about slamming OSU for some reason or another to the degree that you do.

I think the whole comparison by Meyer is moronic, but that is beside the point.

Your insinuation here:

Quote:

I dare you to try and get into UofM's undergraduate business program. Maybe the fact that those programs up north require more than a pulse to get into has something to do with it.

was added to your statement here:

Quote:

Just looked it up, and as I suspected you also have to apply for Michigan's engineering program, in addition to their business school (which I previously mentioned is nearly impossible to get into). I have a feeling this has more to do with it than OSU expecting more than the team up north from their student athletes.

to give anyone with the ability to string several posts of thoughts together that you were not only slamming OSU academics, but implying that the football players in those programs at UM were superior to those at OSU.

But like I said, it's a moronic statement by OSU football. Just because there are plenty of idiots on the UM football team (and there are plenty) there are just as many or more on the OSU team.

Napoleon Complex? Based on what? Do you even understand what that is? For all you know I'm 6'6''.

Also, how it relates to football players? The picture was posted that showed OSU having more players in Engineering and Business and that was supposedly some sort of statement that these players pushed themselves harder than those from Michigan. I refuted that by simply suggesting that MAYBE this had something to do with that you can't just show up at UM and say "I'm an engineering major" or "I'm a business major" like you can at OSU thus making those comparisons apples and oranges. I wasn't discussing the intelligence of the two teams at all but I will happily discuss yours if you'd like.

OSU has a top 20 engineering school in the country, with as few as 20 graduates from the program a year (these stats are from the OSU sight so take it for what it is) I understand that it isn't necessarily on the same level as your school but don't act like they let just anyone in.

Regardless, this has little to do with football.

A more interesting and football related stat is 8 out of the last 10, as in: Ohio state has won 8 out of the last 10 games :) just saying

Apparently you don't understand context. Napoleon Complex: "Napoleon complex is an informal term describing an alleged type of inferiority complex which is said to affect some people, especially men, who are short in stature. The term is also used more generally to describe people who are driven by a perceived handicap to overcompensate in other aspects of their lives."

You love to harp on the short comings of OSU, in this case, on the academic side. So to spell it out, it was a dig on you. It was a joke for being OCD about slamming OSU for some reason or another to the degree that you do.

I think the whole comparison by Meyer is moronic, but that is beside the point.

Your insinuation here:
was added to your statement here:

to give anyone with the ability to string several posts of thoughts together that you were not only slamming OSU academics, but implying that the football players in those programs at UM were superior to those at OSU.

But like I said, it's a moronic statement by OSU football. Just because there are plenty of idiots on the UM football team (and there are plenty) there are just as many or more on the OSU team.

Please enlighten me on my handicap if that's the case.

Actually I didn't harp on OSU's academics or athletes at all, in fact I never said one negative thing about them. You decided to connect dots that weren't there. I simply was making the point that the sign was dumb, as I pointed out in my last post, because at one of those schools you can show up and announce that you're an engineering or business student while at the other you need to go through another round of applications and an acceptance process. That is all I was saying. If you want to make a bigger deal out of it that is your prerogative. Seriously though, the only point I was trying to make was that the sign was dumb. I have no horses in this race whatsoever between those two schools so can we just end this conversation as you guys have made it a way bigger deal than was my intention?

Actually I didn't harp on OSU's academics or athletes at all, in fact I never said one negative thing about them. You decided to connect dots that weren't there. I simply was making the point that the sign was dumb, as I pointed out in my last post, because at one of those schools you can show up and announce that you're an engineering or business student while at the other you need to go through another round of applications and an acceptance process. That is all I was saying. If you want to make a bigger deal out of it that is your prerogative. Seriously though, the only point I was trying to make was that the sign was dumb. I have no horses in this race whatsoever between those two schools so can we just end this conversation as you guys have made it a way bigger deal than was my intention?

It's kind of cool to see Ken O'Keefe go to the Dolphins. He won the 1990 D3 national title here at my school, Allegheny College, with Joe Philbin serving as his offensive co-ordinator/line coach. Hard to believe that any of my current coaches would be working in the NFL some day

I just love how the sign makes it look like OSU players are doing anything remotely more impressive here. As far as I can tell, Family Resource Management is basically a degree in keeping track of your finances.

Either way, I'm shocked that college football players pick easy degrees at difficult schools. Shocked, I tell you.

I think people are missing the point that while Ohio State isn't full of engineering and microbiology majors, compared to Michigan's 24 General Studies majors and 13 Sports Management/Movement majors majors (only 2 engineering, 1 biology, 0 business) they are taking a whole lot tougher of a load.

Communication and Family Resource Mngnmnt aren't that tough? I think you guys aren't looking past that and seeing the SEVEN biology majors, EIGHT business, and EIGHT engineering majors at Ohio State compared to the 2 engineering, 1 biology, and 0 business majors at michigan. I kinda think that is the point, hence the bold letters.

Also, I think the whole idea is for recruits who typically get sold how great an academic insitution michigan. gonna be lots of UM/OSU recruiting battles, there always is.

my brother got a degree in business. most undergrad degrees are easy, but business is sure a better degree to have than general studies or sports mngmt. it depends really if you focus on finance, accounting, or whatnot too.

I think people are missing the point that while Ohio State isn't full of engineering and microbiology majors, compared to Michigan's 24 General Studies majors and 13 Sports Management/Movement majors majors (only 2 engineering, 1 biology, 0 business) they are taking a whole lot tougher of a load.

Communication and Family Resource Mngnmnt aren't that tough? I think you guys aren't looking past that and seeing the SEVEN biology majors, EIGHT business, and EIGHT engineering majors at Ohio State compared to the 2 engineering, 1 biology, and 0 business majors at michigan. I kinda think that is the point, hence the bold letters.

Also, I think the whole idea is for recruits who typically get sold how great an academic insitution michigan. gonna be lots of UM/OSU recruiting battles, there always is.

I went through this on the last page. The number of joke majors on the OSU side compared to the Michigan side is pretty much a wash, so it doesn't really matter. So OSU has 8 engineering majors. What if Michigan has 8 physics majors? So OSU has 8 engineering majors. What if Michigan has 8 pre-law majors?

I highly doubt that list tells the whole story of the entire football team for each program. It only lists 45 Michigan players, less than half the kids on scholarship. For the purposes of the rivalry, it's good natured fun. But to act like somehow this proves OSU players > Michigan players in academia is incredibly naive. I'm guessing they are more or less the same, just like with every other school minus Northwestern.

I think people are missing the point that while Ohio State isn't full of engineering and microbiology majors, compared to Michigan's 24 General Studies majors and 13 Sports Management/Movement majors majors (only 2 engineering, 1 biology, 0 business) they are taking a whole lot tougher of a load.

Communication and Family Resource Mngnmnt aren't that tough? I think you guys aren't looking past that and seeing the SEVEN biology majors, EIGHT business, and EIGHT engineering majors at Ohio State compared to the 2 engineering, 1 biology, and 0 business majors at michigan. I kinda think that is the point, hence the bold letters.

Also, I think the whole idea is for recruits who typically get sold how great an academic insitution michigan. gonna be lots of UM/OSU recruiting battles, there always is.

There is no comparison between the business and engineering programs at Michigan and the ones at Ohio State. Very few, if any, of those 16 business and engineering football players at Ohio State would be admitted into the same programs at Michigan.

There is no comparison between the business and engineering programs at Michigan and the ones at Ohio State. Very few, if any, of those 16 business and engineering football players at Ohio State would be admitted into the same programs at Michigan.

...and? None of the players on YOUR football team would be admitted either; hence why they are general studies majors.