It is obvious than ANY hypocrisy and disregard to the people,from clerics of either religion,should be opposed.

The people of north Nicosia,on the other side,are protesting already,as the article says.

What about us?

From what i have read in their articles,Q team doesn't protest based on a religious context-ie it is not the religion of christianity they are against,but the hypocrisy of the church(going against its principles,giving money for showcase temples rather than the people),its link and open cooperation and corruption by business interests,and its total disregard for the will of the people, and the undesired effects the temple's construction will cause in the surrounding area-environmental and social.We are interested in the welfare of cypriots on this side being affected by that particular church.

If your protest against the mosque is not against the religion of Islam,but it is due to that particular mosque causing undesired effects in the surrounding area-supported by documents and studies like ETEK on this side,as is the case of the church,and because of interest for the welfare of cypriots on the other side,i would applaud it.

My protest is not either against Islam or against Christianity per se. It is: against monstrous buildings and the way huge buildings have the capacity to extent and support the hegemony of the ideology behind the organism that builds them. Like Q team's argument:"Έχουμε δικαίωμα να δηλώσουμε την οργή μας για την επιλεκτική επιβολή εξουσίας". I fully support Q-team's cause and find no weakness in it.

BUT: the same arguments seem to hold against the construction and hypocricy of the Mosque.

This is where I beg to introduce my points: If one wants to be objective and coherent, one needs to ALSO oppose the construction of the Mosque with the same diligence that s/he opposes the construction of the Christian Church. Otherwise, there seems to be a problem- an incoherence and a bias. A bias that possibly betrays other underlying motivations behind the opposition against the Christian Church: for example, a political opportunism.

"BUT: the same arguments seem to hold against the construction and hypocricy of the Mosque."

The correct way to put that argument is, of course, "AND the same arguments seem to hold against the construction and hypocricy of the Mosque". I don't understand why you're using the Mosque as an argument that invalidates the argument of the petition. If anything it strengthens it. By all means, start a movement of the mosque which I'm sure many people here will support.

"This is where I beg to introduce my points: If one wants to be objective and coherent, one needs to ALSO oppose the construction of the Mosque with the same diligence that s/he opposes the construction of the Christian Church. Otherwise, there seems to be a problem- an incoherence and a bias."

If a movement doesn't do what you want it do that doesn't cancel it. Think about this as an analogy for what you're doing: someone starts a petition, or a protest on the mosque but I argue against it with the argument that it doesn't include the issue of the Church.

In other words, your argument actually strikes me as a passive-aggresive way of saying "if you don't protest about the mosque, or as well, you're biased because clearly that's a more important issue and its inclusion is what's needed to validate your protest". Which, frankly, sounds like you're the one with the bias, indirectly trying to discredit this protest.

A more constructive argument you could have made, if your intention is to protest against both buildings, would be to propose joining forces with the people protesting in the North. How about that?

I didn't say that the movement should be cancelled. I wrote that I find no weakness in its cause.

I disagree that it is me dscrediting the protest. I think the protest is discredited by the fact that (in my opinion) a big proportion of the momentum behind this protest is politically informed, on an other level. That is what I find problematic with the momentum.

On the other hand, I need to clarify that indeed this particular petition is the most well-informed, detailed and serious of all, with clear references to architectural, social and civil reasons. And in this regard it is an excellent protest. But again: is it also inevitably anchored to the political cause of not letting the Church, not just as a corporation but also as an establishment of false values (I am an atheist myself), dominate and extend its power. And on this: the same holds of Muslims. And I think that Cyprus' long history of ethnic violence, which cannot be removed from the picture, is anchored to the way we respond to to the two biggest religious, opposing, organizations, which have informed the ethnic violence in the first place. This is something that cannot be overlooked and if one is to oppose religion one has to be careful to be as objective as possible.

I do not think that the argument of the petition is invalidated. But it will become much stronger if the same petition is somehow extended to other analogous problems. How can it be invalidated since the issue of the Mosque arose just now and became an issue only afterwards?

The phrasing used before was indeed passive-aggressive and provocatory. But the target was not to discredit the protest. The target was to put things in another perspective which I find to be important and valid.

As the G-ds would have it: Moderation is called for in everything, but mostly in the bullying of the public and local governments in the name of religious expansion. A more modest approach would meet the needs nicely, and provide a better fit as well.

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