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From the Vaults of the “Mardukite Chamberlains” —The Original & Complete Underground Classic Returns!

A newly developing “JOSHUA FREE” publishing-house imprint (representing the “Mardukite Truth Seeker Press”) launches this year commemorating the 10th Anniversary of the modern ‘Mardukite’ inception. And with what more appropriate title should it debut with? But a very special hardcover10th Anniversary Collector’s Edition of the underground classic by Joshua Free—NECRONOMICON: THE ANUNNAKI BIBLE—on sale to the public for the first time on October 30, Samhain 2018!

Evolving from a single popular underground Mardukite document—NECRONOMICON: THE ANUNNAKI BIBLE—by Joshua Free, is a masterpiece of Mesopotamian literature, spirituality and magic, providing a complete collection—a grand symphony of correlated materials—of the most ancient writings on the planet.

The oldest of these records—Sumerian and Babylonian cuneiform tablets—reveal detailed accounts of cosmic history in the universe and on earth, the development of human history and descriptions of world order – all of which were used to maintain spiritual and physical control of humanity— proving to be the predecessor and foundation of all global scripture-based religious and mystical traditions thereafter. These raw underground materials have shaped humanity and all systems of belief, culture, tradition and science for thousands of years; right from the heart of the Ancient Near East: Sumer, Babylon and even Egypt!

Nearly a decade since the modern underground Mardukite inception—and thousands of copies in print—Joshua Free’sNECRONOMICON: THE ANUNNAKI BIBLE is a revolutionary “New Age” advancement in authentic historical, spiritual and mystical research drawn from a unique unparalleled combination of archaeological findings and esoteric mystical magical traditions.

…and more. The heart and soul of humanity, from the cradle of civilization, is laid out clearly for the “Truth Seeker” to see—all in its pure and undefiled state in public view for the first time ever!

Contemporary understanding of ancient civilizations is botched — pure and simple. Where much is uncovered even today, consistently shifting our opinions and timelines stretching around the globe, it cannot be dismissed that in spite of the myriad of findings and symbols among scattered remains, it is the cuneiform tablet libraries of ancient Mesopotamia (what is now Iraq; formerly Sumer and Babylon) that truly give us the first true writing systems. And although we like to call them “books” today, no such objects existed at that time — instead, an entire tradition of preserving knowledge and scientific mysteries emerged in the form of clay tablets, written in a script-style known as cuneiform (and named for its ‘wedge-shaped’ marks).

NECRONOMICON ANUNNAKI BIBLE (10th Anniversary Seventh Edition)

Prolific author and prodigious mystic and philosopher, JOSHUA FREE, has been actively involved in the underground and so-called “New Age” movement for nearly 25 YEARS, first known as “Merlyn Stone” in the mind-1990’s. His personal occult notebooks as a teenager, such as the “Draconomicon” and especially his “Sorcerer’s Handbook” (with more than 2000 copies in circulation before he was 18 years old), have influenced the development of modern practitioners and their traditions for two decades! Pivotal more-intermediate editions such as “Book of Elven-Faerie” and especially the release of “Arcanum: Great Magical Arcanum” literally launched the modern Mardukite movement more than 10 years ago! But where the subject of the Mardukite resurgence is concerned, the most inseparable of all works by Joshua Free is a literary collection known today as the NECRONOMICON ANUNNAKI BIBLE.

“So, in the ancient Realm we peer into, we find not books, but clay tablets; no bibles, but specialized tablet collections — sometimes kept in wooden or gilded boxes, for the elite class of Mesopotamia were all literate. And “temples” of priest-scribes preserved the most ancient knowledge of cosmology, science and etheric spirituality on clay tablets in cuneiform scripts, some more than 5000 years old today. And these were no obscure symbolic primitive picture-glyphs, but explicitly detailed renderings — albeit quite mystifying to the common-folk of the general population who could not read, who could not decipher the mysteries themselves to the degree of that intellectual dimension. Maintaining an Order to the ancient commonwealth, ceremony, traditions and other culture emerged from this lore, but on a public exoteric level designed primarily for the masses with little direct access or discernment of the cuneiform tablets themselves. Such was, as it always has been, kept closely guarded under the highest or most secret echelons of the Realm, who maintained their own lineage of societies within, albeit also separate and apart from, the surface world. Such is what provides us with the substance to work through this work today under its present guise…[the Necronomicon Anunnaki Bible]” — explains Joshua Free, from a recent “Knowledge Lecture” at the Mardukite Babylon Ancient Astronomy Research Office.

NECRONOMICON ANUNNAKI BIBLE edited by Joshua Free, is now celebrating its release of a 10th Anniversary Seventh Edition, the most complete, economical and accessible printing of the original ‘Mardukite Core’ anthology in a decade, just in time for a (NexGen) new generation of Truth Seekers. Of course, it is essential reading for any Mardukite, but even beyond this specific semantic paradigm, it is a must-read for anyone considering themselves a “Truth Seeker.” It is intriguing and refreshing to see this forgotten lore so painstakingly researched from a perspective that is both anthropological and historical, not to mention mystical and spiritually nourishing.

JOSHUA FREE

As a Mardukite Alumni once commented about the work, “Resulting from a [then] fifteen-year journey into the source of ‘New Age’ metaphysical mysteries of the underground, JOSHUA FREE had fallen upon what appeared to be a pure current-stream back to the sources of the most ancient and coveted Babylonian tradition…”

The “Necronomicon Anunnaki Bible” edited by Joshua Free is quite simply a masterpiece of Mesopotamian magic, spirituality and history, providing a complete collection – a grand symphony of correlated materials – of the most ancient writings on the planet.

NECRONOMICON ANUNNAKI BIBLE 10th Anniversary Limited Edition

The oldest of these Sumerian and Babylonian cuneiform tablet records reveal detailed accounts of cosmic history in the universe and on earth, the development of human history and descriptions of world order – all of which were used to maintain spiritual and physical control of humanity – providing to be the predecessor and foundation of global scripture-based religious and mystical traditions thereafter. These raw underground materials have shaped the existence of man’s beliefs and traditions for thousands of years; right from the heart of the Ancient Near East: Sumer, Babylon and even Egypt!

Nearly a decade since the modern Mardukite inception – and thousands of copies in print – the NECRONOMICON ANUNNAKI BIBLE is a revolutionary “New Age” advancement in authentic historical, spiritual and mystical research drawn from a unique unparalleled combination of archaeological findings and esoteric mystical magical traditions. Sumerian, Babylonian, Akkadian, Assyrian, Chaldean, Egyptian, Yezidic, Zoroastrian… and more.

RETURN TO THE SOURCE — to traditions and spirito-mystical systems of the Middle East, those born from ancient Sumerians and afterward extended to interpretation by Chaldeo-Babylonians, Akkadians, Assyrians and even Egyptians. The spread of this tradition across Europe led to even more fanciful and colorful realizations of the primary Olympian mythology first realized in ancient Mesopotamia!

Discover the secrets for yourself in SUMERIAN RELIGION by Joshua Free — The most critically acclaimed and bestselling materials from the Mardukite Research Organization now available in one volume! A master compilation of mythological and religious exploration into the heart of ancient Mesopotamian Mysteries, this easy-to-read post-modern anthology illuminates the ancient world using revolutionary teachings and source materials in a way never before seen… for thousands of years!

The nature, identity and relationship of ancient Mesopotamian Anunnaki “gods” – those of the Sumerians and Babylonians – is very important, not only for understanding the literally ‘Mardukite’ work, but also for possessing a greater ‘wideangle’ vision of life, reality and existence – not to mention understanding your own place and legacy within it.

All of the original and later work of the ‘Mardukites’, all of these other authors and producers and their theories and explanations of things past, present and even future – they are all dependent on a clear and concise basis of understanding and comprehension of the very root element that it all surrounds – the very beings that made all of this history and human development possible. For without this key knowledge, and an objective one-to-one correlation of this knowledge with reality, all of the other research, reading and even the experience of life and reality will be undertaken ‘out of context’ of what is Truth.

The meaning and innate desire to pursue truth, particularly what has been known as the Secret of the Ages, is no less obvious in the realm of science and academia then it is in the world of the occultist. Those who have been dubbed ‘occultists’ or ‘esotericists’ are not the only ones interested in SUMERIAN RELIGION, nor are they even the original ones. Only the methodologies and intentions differ. And yet again – all is connected.

The recovery of the truth of mankind’s past is paramount to the fate of humanity’s future. Thus, it should could by no surprise that the geographic terrain of its origins has been the victim of unyielding war and suffering for thousands of years – further enshrouding those unveiling efforts with a measure of hesitation and doubt painted by political opinions of the modern Middle East, and for our purposes, what the academicians have called the Ancient Near East. Relative power within the modern world and human society is a ‘fleeting glamour’ and wholly representative; yet, if anything on the planet can be said to represent ineffable true worldly power by the ‘sword’ and ‘shield’ of truth, it is from those objects of ancient knowledge that come to us from this place.

SUMERIAN RELIGION by Joshua Free : Arriving on the surface world from the underground – an amazing insight into the Anunnaki ‘alien gods’ and the establishment of human civilization famously accounted by the Sumerian and Babylonian traditions. Prolific writer, Joshua Free, presents this topic such as the modern world has never before had access to, developed from the revolutionary work conducted by the next generation of Seekers actively using a revival Anunnaki tradition in the present day. SUMERIAN RELIGION is not merely the presentation of dry academic renderings of obscure tablets; this book will take you on a progressive journey that is just as relevant and critical today as it was thousands of years ago! Uncover the mysteries that lay hidden in ancient Sumer, with a message so relevant today, it is no wonder it became the greatest kept secret of Babylon!

THE MESOPOTAMIAN GAME OF UR was lost to the modern world until its excavation from the ancient Sumerian city of UR in the 1920’s, for which it is named after. It rivals the African “Mancala” as the “oldest game in the world.” Its discovery is credited to the British Archaeologist Sir Leonard Wooley when he unearthed an incredible hoard of ancient art pieces for the British Museum and University of Pennsylvania.

THE GAME OF UR “boards” were found in the graves of kings, members of the royal court and priest-magicians who controlled the systemology of Sumerian/Mesopotamian society – the “cradle of modern human civilization.” As a result academicians have also consider “UR OF ANTIQUITY” to be a “Royal Game” of ancient Sumer. The game later appears among royalty and priesthoods of Egypt. Elsewhere, temporary versions of the “board” were even found carved on rocks.

Game pieces — “tokens” and accompanying “dice” — were found with “boards” and we are also fortunate enough to have recovered cuneiform clay tablets describing methods of play.

Tokens are made from small circular clay “chips” marked on one side with five dots or asterisks, allowing the distinction of the two sides, similar to the “game” use of coins today. There is a set for each player, one dark (black) and one light (white). Complete game sets, allowing for all prescribed methods of play, generally have seven of each type, although only six pieces are used in a standard GAME OF UR.

Dice consist of small dark clay four-sided tetrahedrons – essentially the d4 of today’s role-playing games – with two of the four tips marked white. This means when rolled, there is a fifty percent chance of the dice coming up with a marked “tip.” The dice are used to decide a starting player and during the game to indicate the number of moves allowed in a player’s turn. In a standard GAME OF UR each player uses four of these dice for their rolls, scoring the throws as follows:

The standard GAME OF UR begins with two players, each with six playing tokens and four tetrahedral dice. The dice are thrown for the privilege of going first. The player scoring highest wins this honor. Players then take turns strategically placing their tokens (with the marked side up) onto board squares. When each player has placed all six of their tokens, the next phase of game play ensues.

THE GAME OF UR is won by a player having four of their tokens on four of the identical squares of any one of the three sets of the five identical designs:

— The Flower of Life (a lotus wheel)— The Four Elements (four eyes and crosses)— The Heavens and Gods (five dots within circles)

…plus one more of the tokens on one of the other squares:

— The Solar/Fire God (four zig-zag squares with five dots each)— The Celebration (sixteen dots with crosses)— The All-God (zig-zag squares or all seeing eye)

UR GAME (British Museum Replica)

After the players have placed their tokens on the board and “there has been no easy winner,” the players take turns moving tokens as determined by the dice count. Players may move a token in any direction (vertical, horizontal or diagonal) jumping either color piece but must finish on an unoccupied space and have not counted any space twice in their move.

When first placed, all six of a player’s tokens are played marked side up. Each time a player moves a token it is flipped over, showing it has been moved or played. A player cannot move or play this token again until all tokens show they have been moved/played. This continues until the object of the GAME OF UR has been achieved or until a player traps their opponent into a position where they cannot move. In many respects, the GAME OF UR resembles elements later found in tic-tac-toe, connect-four, checkers, chinese checkers and chess.

[In October 2016, the Archives of the Mardukite Research Organization gained possession of a deluxe complete set wooden replica of the GAME OF UR on display in the British Museum. This official Mardukite informative blog is based on this new acquisition of our offices. For more information on Sumerians, Babylonians and mysteries of the ancient world of Mesopotamia, please refer to the Mardukite Bookshop.]

“The industrious and raw expansive power of Jupiter is placed at the height of most ‘Olympian’ pantheons (Zeus or similar).“—The Book of Marduk by Nabu
edited by Joshua Free

The word-name “Jupiter” comes from the Romans: Dys Pater (Latin), meaning “Father-God.” This energetic current commands outright worldly success as and the magic of spirits: command of the “spiritual” hierarchy of astral spirits.

MARDUK with the Dragon of Babylon, SIRRUS

Anunnaki Elder Gods originally attributed this position to ENLIL in Sumer. I, NABU personally heralded my father, MARDUK, into Enlilship of the “younger pantheon” of Anunnaki observed in Babylon. Our “Mardukite” tradition there, and in Egypt, was wholly based on his centralized leadership.

MARDUK is exalted as the Master of Magicians, carrying the mysteries of my grandfather, ENKI, to Babylon, and bestowing the traditions upon me to relay. The original designation of the Jupiter position in the pantheon is 50, the number attributed by Enlilite Sumerians to ENLIL and later to MARDUK for Babylonian Religion (who previously held the designation of 10).

Invoke my father, MARDUK, for his strength and power, as well as to petition the Elder Gods. The color of the “Mardukite” current is purple, but also airy and fiery colors (yellow, orange, black).

This energy is preferred by many leaders and law enforcing folk, lending to those who are pure to receive it, the power to command the material world…

“Marduk was proclaimed King of the Gods, replacing Enlil, and the other gods were required to pledge allegiance to him and to come to reside in Babylon where their activities could be easily supervised. This usurpation of Enlilship was accompanied by an extensive Babylonian effort to forge the ancient texts. The most important texts were rewritten and altered so as to make Marduk appear as the Lord of the Heavens, the Creator…”
–Zecharia Sitchin, The Twelfth Planet, 1976

The name MARDUK is actually a modernization taken from the Semitic “meri-dug” [Merodach]. The oldest version of a similar spelling AMAR.UTU [a.mar-utu.ki = “light of the sun on earth”] often translated by contemporaries as “solar calf” or “son of the sun” : gives some background to Marduk’s esteem.

Being the foremost son of ENKI, he gained power quickly. The Semitic name “Maerdechai” that came from the Chaldeo-Babylonian [silik-mul.u-khi] name meaning “Marduk is God.” The more common MAR.DUG means “son of the pure mound,” and is thought to be connected to the pyramids in not only Mesopotamia, but in Egypt, where he raised himself as the leader of a third party of gods – the Egyptian Pantheon – as “Amon-Ra” (again identifying himself with the “solar” current).

The decision of MARDUK to raise himself to a monotheistic-like“God” status created new political issues for the Anunnaki on Earth – creating a reason for there to be tensions between the two lineages — of ENKI and ENLIL — for supremacy on earth (and the right to install their own lineages and chosen humans as kings in their stead)…

BOOK OF MARDUK BY NABUPocket Anunnaki Devotional Companion
by Joshua Free
2010 — Year-2 Liber W
THIRD EDITION
A contemporary ‘tablet collection’ that paved the way for intensive research and experimentation. It reveals the inner-circle methods used by the ‘Order of Nabu’ to acquire direct communication with ‘alien intelligences’, reviving the same process the priests of the Anunnaki in Mesopotamia.

SUMERIAN RELIGIONSecrets of the Anunnaki
by Joshua Free
2010 — Year-2 Liber-50
The most critically acclaimed bestselling materials from the Mardukite Research Organization – now available from the underground – revealing amazing insights into the Anunnaki, credited with kickstarting humanity according to Sumerian & Babylonian writings.

SUMERIAN TRADITIONSecrets of the Anunnaki
by Joshua Free
2011 — Year-2 Liber-51/52
The journey continues into the heart of Mesopotamian Mysteries — just as relevant and critical today as thousands of years ago! Now you can uncover the mysteries lay hidden in ancient Sumer and the greatest kept secrets of Babylon!

Welcome to our tenth online eZine/issue of “New Babylon Rising: Anunnaki, Alien Gods & Spiritual Traditions“, developed by Mardukite Truth Seeker Press in a NexGen futurist effort of public inform in dedication to ancient literary records — primarily those cuneiform — and the preservation of the Anunnaki legacy including the human evolution of its societal systems and traditions inspired across global space and time. The feature articles of this issue emphasis numbers and mathematics as it applied to Sumerians and Babylonians, the newly released debut title in the series “Books of Pheryllt“, and a very special offering: a concise, easy-to-read, A-to-Z quick-study guide to the Anunnaki!

The collective efforts of the Mardukite Research Organization reveal these antiquated mysteries for ALL; our archive of books developed explicitly to shine a new light to understand the most critical subjects for the Next Generation: where we come from, what we are, where we are and where we’re going “..in this ocean of chaos”!

In addition to those otherwise cultural specific elements (Mesopotamian and Celtic), the work publichsed by the Mardukite Truth Seeker Press offers a wide range of NexGen education including — the origins and development of human belief systems — particularly what wisdom and knowledge may be drawn from ancient “divine” encounters contributing to establishment of the illusive artificially generated social “systems” among the population, NexGen evolution of transhumanism, and, of course, fragmented languages, religions, and the global distribution and corruption of “esoteric” or otherwise “occult” knowledge regarding the true superior spiritual (internal) potential of the human condition, its external manifestation in engineering the reality we experience everyday and the progression of the “immortal” spirit beyond this realization…

Indeed, we are in dangerous territory…
And this time… THERE BE DRAGONS!

FEATURED NEW RELEASE:

“The Druids believed in books more ancient than the flood. They styled them the ‘Books of Pheryllt’ and the writings of Hu.“
– Ignatius Donnelly, Atlantis

Where the Druids are concerned, hundreds of years of diverse academic and philosophical debate await the Seeker on their look back. It is now even more controversial to speak of the Pheryllt in neodruid circles… For two decades a modern movement of neodruids influenced by modern Pheryllt Druidism have become bystanders amidst the unbreakable schism… BUT, for now — The Legend is Real…

:: Mesopotamian Mathematics: How to Measure Reality? (Necronomicon Numerology)21, November 2014 — necrogate.com
“As significantly as sigil-scripts, colors and mystical alphabets have played their parts in ritualized magical drama, spiritual incantations and other ceremonial applications, so, too, are numbers viewed as mystical signs in the realm of form, representative of endless wisdom and correspondences…”

:: Babylonian Astrology & Age of Aquarius: How the Sumerians Measured the Heavens23, November 2014 — mardukite.com
“The ancient Sumerians understood the connection between cycles, time and mathematics. In addition to the pragmatic use of the wheel or circle, they also developed the initial calculations of the circle to be 360 degrees. Their use of base-60 ‘sexagesimal’ math in the systematic measurement of time has carried with humanity to this day…”

Hail and welcome to the ninth eZine online issue of “New Babylon Rising“, a futurist NexGen effort developed by Mardukite Truth Seeker Press for the public in dedication to preserving the ancient literary records of the Anunnaki legacy — primarily those cuneiform — and human societal systematization and tradition this legacy inspired across the globe.

Our collective efforts reveals these antiquated mysteries for ALL and shines new light on what is deemed the most critical subjects of our time: understanding where we come from, where we are and where we’re going; origins and development of human belief systems — particularly what wisdom and knowledge may be drawn from ancient “divine” encounters contributing to establishment of the illusive artificially generated social “systems” among the population, NexGen evolution of transhumanism, and, of course, fragmented languages, religions, and the global distribution and corruption of “esoteric” or otherwise “occult” knowledge regarding the true superior spiritual (internal) potential of the human condition, its external manifestation in engineering the reality we experience everyday and the progression of the “immortal” spirit beyond this realization…

:: Iraq War Threatens Ancient Mardukite Yezidi / Yazidi Bloodline11, August 2014 — mardukite.com
Yezidi (Yazidi), an unbroken unique gene of middle eastern people extending directly back to ancient pre-Semitic Sumerian Mardukites, practicing a tradition of modern Zoroastrian Yazdânism derived from the monoltry monotheism to Marduk of Babylon observed as Melek Ta’us or Shaitan (Shaytan), have been threatened with genocide in Iraq by the Islamic State (IS/ISIS)…

:: Mesopotamian Magic, Rites and Rituals of Eridu, Sumerian Anunnaki in Babylonian System19, August 2014 — mardukite.com
Many version of Erudite magic may be found through the Mesopotamian ‘spiritual’ (or ‘magical’) cuneiform texts. The incantation tablets from the ‘Mardukite’ Babylonian Anunnaki tradition, specifically those used and forged by scribe-priests of the Order of Nabu, are invoked from the ‘perspective’ (authority) of NABU – as was the tradition learned verbatim from MARDUK. In both scholarly and esoteric ‘Mardukite’ texts, the ‘Opening Ritual’ of Mardukite magic is derived from the source titled: The Incantation of Eridu…

23, August 2014 — mardukite.com
In the post-Sumerian “Mardukite” era of MESOPOTAMIA, the traditions and systems of the Anunnaki were sealed under MARDUK, heir of ENKI. During the shift to the Age of Aries – the sign of MARDUK, represented by the Ram – religion, spirituality and the global reality experience became fueled by ‘divine politics’. The famous ‘creation stories’ and ‘mystical definitions’ (that serve as the basis for future traditions and ‘societal reality systems’) were forged onto tablets of propaganda supporting the ‘Babylonian‘ paradigm by the priest-scribes of (‘led by’ or ‘dedicated to’) NABU, heir of MARDUK. Figures that appear central to the infrastructure of MARDUKITE BABYLONIAN systems are the younger generations of Anunnaki…

11, August 2014 — necrogate.com
“Gloom” (Los Angeles) — Some fucking fruitcake with a tarantula growing out of his head has launched an all out war with the NABU Joshua Free and the Mardukites. Lovecraftian wannabe simonian whatever deranged egypt something. An easy system to attack with. He’s also a drunk so very open. He’s a drunk that uses his meager booksmart “mentorship” to get girlfriends I guess. Sad when people need all that for a lay. Very psychically damaging to people…

2, August 2014 — necrogate.com
Eclipses are a natural phenomenon that occurs whenever a celestial object, like the Moon, casts a shadow on another object, in our case, the Earth, as a result of an astrophysical alignment. It is curious that the ancient systems viewed eclipses as “harbingers of doom” (like comets) and yet others openly invite the energy into their religious rituals. The range of a total eclipse is a relatively narrow path and the phenomenon generally lasts for less than seven minutes. It might seem unlikely to some that these brief events themselves would have held the ancient people in significant states of fear. But lore suggests otherwise…

14, August 2014 — necrogate.com
Few occultists who remain in the Light are probably privy to lore of the ancient Yezidi sect. They follow a tradition dedicated to the “God of the Black Mountain” who gave to them wisdom in what is known as the oldest of the “Black Books”. While the Realm of Light has shied away from such – or believed they have attained more than a glimpse of it in their “Books of Shadows”, it is this Divine Encounter that has been omitted from traditional biblical tales for its connections and devotion to the Darkness…

:: NEW Gates of the Necronomicon Sumerian Anunnaki in Babylonian Magical System17, August 2014 — necrogate.com
Discover the secrets of the most coveted tome of incredible grandeur and power drawn from the original archives of the Mardukite Research Organization… THE GATES OF THE NECRONOMICON. The official guide to the Sumerian Anunnaki in Mesopotamian Religion and the Babylonian Magical Tradition! MARDUKITE.COM EXCLUSIVE EDITION! The most critically acclaimed and bestselling materials from the Mardukite Research Organization now available in one volume…

21, August 2014 — necrogate.com
The Mardukite Epic of Creation — the Enuma Elis — illustrates a unique perspective, spiritually speaking: as already fragmented beings, the Anunna (or Anunnaki) knew of the true nature of reality and used it to their advantage politically (religiously) when dealing with humans…