was the track that turned me onto this lot. Earl has always been the one from this group. Its like the rest of them have been keeping the place warm for him to take over. No idea if he'll pull it off but it'll be worth a look.

I'm more of an Earl fan, but I'm more into the slower slushy stuff so I'm really liking Doris atm, Wolf was a, I don't know ho to say this, a "bit too much"? It was all production no substance? There were some good tracks on it though.

I've always found the Odd Future gang's music more interesting than what they're actually saying, though I'm sure that will change as they get older and drop the shock tactics. To be honest I've not heard Doris yet, but from what I've heard Tyler seems the more creative of the two, has a sharper sense of humour and has a more compelling voice (not to mention kept the whole thing ticking along in Earl's absence). Is there anything on Doris as striking as 'Yonkers', for example?

His talent is undeniable but not sure it works as an album. Its just too consistently murky, feels like it needs one of those stupid/fun posse tracks from the older mixtapes to lift it up a bit halfway through.

Don't get bored listening to him though. Standouts so far are hive and sunday.

is that while it was exciting to see them showcase their raw talent, it isn't *quite* as exciting watching them working through transforming that talent into fully formed rap personalities. It's only disappointing in the fact that it isn't the fully focussed (lyrically, production or features wise), tight OF album that I've been waiting for.

It's still probably my favourite OF record since they broke, but I'd feel hypocritical if I didn't hold him to the same standards I hold other rappers too.

seems like OF have lost a bit of the exciting persona that set them apart at the start by getting a bit introspective and suddenly acting like people didn't take them seriously enough, which they would by now if they kept doing what they were doing since the hype has died down a bit

Starting with Goblin, particularly. That album was way too self-aware for me and too bothered by all the critical hype and thinkpiece shit surrounding it. Understandable, but disappointing.

I like how there's this whole side to Odd Future that barely even gets noticed. The fringe guys seem to be in all sorts of weird psychedelic projects that are just them doing their own thing. That's really what was good about OF in the first place, that they were a bunch of kids making the music they wanted to outside of the usual systems. Seems like those systems swallowed them eventually, and some members can cope with that better than others.

I just don't think that either Earl or Tyler are quite there yet. Half of what Earl spits is complete gobbledegook, and his flow is glorious when he's on point, soporific at others.

I really did hold them to different standards before: They were kids just releasing shit for free on the internet... And they were really good. Now they're fully formed rap stars, and they need to work out how to produce a focussed record, that doesn't take dips in quality.

This is better than Goblin or Wolf, for sure. In fact it's pretty damn good. I just thought that on the strength of Chum, Hive and Sunday that it might be the moment when one of the crew really came into himself. As it is, he's got a way to go, but at least he's heading in the right direction. Unlike Tyler.

I can definitely hear the people who are finding it overly murky, and it's not something that you can just throw on at any time. There are loads of interesting things going on in the production though – I like that side of it more than I thought I would. Hoarse is incredible, it's like Ennio Morricone, Forest Swords and Odd Future rolled into one. A lot of similar ideas to what Tyler was doing sonically on Wolf, but it just works better here. Although that might just because Tyler tends to grate on me over a full album and Wolf is super long.

Earl is just ridiculous throughout, and I think Vince Staples should get the push he needs off his guest verses too. He really stands out. Favorite songs so far are Hoarse, Centurion, Sunday, Hive and Chum.

It's all a bit one-paced and murky and could do with a bit of quality control but fuck me I love the way this kid rhymes. The way he hides rhymes in the most unexpected places within his bars just makes me grin like an idiot and how long he manages to sustain the same pattern and scheme is just ridiculous sometimes.

I like it a lot too, little sections keep repeating in my head even when I'm not listening to it. Whoa is incredible, that little oo rhyme sequence bit is amazing

Bruising gimmicks with the broom he usually use for Quidditch, gooey writtens, scoot em to a ditch, chewed and booty scented, too pretentious, do pretend like he could lose with spitting, steaming tubes of poop and twisted doobies full of euphemisms

I had it in my head that it would be this generations illmatic or something. Its not that, but its good enough that you can't disregard it just because it doesnt live up to the hype. Think its right that this is the best album he could'ave made at this point though, bodes well for the future which is the most we should;ave asked for.