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Re: [MTC Global] India’s first university only for Dalit students to come up in Hyderabad by 2018

If having a separate university for Dalits means this special provisions is for All Have Not,s apart from religions/ Cast,/ Creature and so on.In this case Who will decide Have and have Not,s ? Dalits are those who are backwards socially, Financially, and culturally if So! So in India there will be two communities : 1- Dalits 2- Adalits. And cross community movements .. like a Dalit becomes Adalit by progressing socially, economically, Culturally,orA Adalit becomes Dalit due to his circumstances?Whom about we are talking?Who decides Dalit or Adalits?Why We discriminate and sustain the feelings of difference?why not all can prosper.together?Have not,s can be accommodated all together under given system with effective governance and control over all universities existing in the country.

It can be a most effective thought in operations . no doubt! But socially , culturally, it will create Number game in politics .

For every category, a university can be born. Is government carrying the funds and education to the real DALITS or real Poor?

A BIG question mark?

Saiganesh

From: Dr.Prakash Dash <dashprakash04@gmail.com>To: join_mtc@googlegroups.comSent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 8:53 AMSubject: Re: [MTC Global] India’s first university only for Dalit students to come up in Hyderabad by 2018

Dear All, The initiation by Government is welcome but certain questions are to be clarified b coz who is going to get the benefit1.The real Dalit who is deprived of education else2. The so-called Dalit who are taking benefit from last 70 years.These things to be clarified otherwise it will not benefit at all.Why can't we think of Garib University for all section of the society not for any one section.Thanking you all for your valuable thought.

Sir, Dr Ambedkar envisioned a casteless society thru' enabling access to education thatis non denominational, scientific, ethical, modern and progressive. He had set a timespan before the Society and the Govt of just 10 years. This did not happen.A Dalit University exclusively for Dalit students will provide the much needed access tothe students deprived of college education. The Name of the University can be anything.So long as the products of such Universities can compete with other students on their ownmerits, they will be accepted. Companies are casteless and today anyone can be anentrepreneur.Secondly, when there is a Buddhist University, a Muslim University, Christian UNiversityor Sikh and Jain UNiversities then why can't there be a Dalit University. With notheological, ideological or Cult baggage to propagate in education, these UNiversitiescan provide education on scientific lines and this would be good for the entire societyand the nation. A point in fact, they may need to keep the reservations for the poor opencategory candidates to be fully representative.Best regards,K.Paranjpe

On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 18:09:07 +0530 Venkatesh Ganapathy wrote>Very enriching discussion indeed. However, students will have to come out in the openand do a corporate job some day. If they say they are from a Dalit University, will thecorporate honchos treat them fairly? If our objective was to dispense away with the castesystem then this effort is like moving in the opposite direction. I have often seen that(in a few cases at least) the Dalits who get scholarships are not the ones who need ascholarship and the ones who need a scholarship are not in a position to claim the same.All said and done, how can students get away from that tag that they are from a dalituniversity? This is against the principle of diversity and inclusion which is a basicrequirement for strategically managing human capital. Tomorrow if we start havingseparate classrooms for dalits etc then this is only going to be a case of divide anddestroy.Such things must be carefully planned and must be bereft of the intention to seekpolitical mileage and increase the vote bank base.I am all for empowerment of the downtrodden but it should be done in a sensible manner.RegardsVenkatesh G

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mathew Anthony wrote:I also noticed Usha's observation that this Dalit University idea would work elsewhere isa "myth". I agree that what makes the real difference in this case is extraordinary commitment ofDr. R.S Parveen Kumar heading the whole movement happening in TSWERIS, and without suchwholly committed persons, emulation of such efforts elsewhere would be next toimpossible.

Such a position defeats the very argument of the approach to intervention in situationsdiversity, equity and inclusion, and also the search for for excellence in our Indian setup. I can understand, and subscribe to the view, that we need such extraordinarilycommitted leadership in Dalit Universities elsewhere, to lend real meaning and substanceto equity and inclusion. This is exactly the reason why the Inclusion and Equity Cellsin the colleges, during the XI Plan remained as a tokenism, although the idea and visioncorresponds to Residential Ashram Schools in AP and elsewhere. I also thought like Prof.Marmar Mukhopadyay that this idea is segregationist and its better to address inclusionand equity within the existing higher education set up rather than having to have anexclusive Dalit University for dalits. But, the fact is that is where India is today withrespect to Dalits education and condition in life. That "Dalit University" is segregationist and not the "Minoirity Colleges"--with headymix of religion and caste like Christian, Muslim, Tribal (in Karnataka), Ezhavas, Nairs(Kerala), Chettis, Naidus, Reddis (in TN and AP, and countless in other states): thisposition skirts the issue, to say the least. Therefore, I think there is need for more such Dalit Universities as envisioned inTelengana, and not idealise this to such an extent to make such a wish a myth, as Ushaviews it or to view if as segregationist. Dr. A. Mathew, ICSSR Senior Fellow,NUEPAOn Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:52 AM, kalpen shukla wrote:

Thanks Usha-ji for the information … didn’t know about his work at all…. Dr Kumar islegendary leader and he may pull-out another miracle with this experiment also …

Unless there is another “Dr R S Parveen Kumar”, the idea remains fraught with riskyimplications.

Subject: Re: [MTC Global] India’s first university only for Dalit students to come up inHyderabad by 2018

@ Kumar

" Please throw some more light on your line: To believe that this model will work anywhere else would be a myth."

I said that because this whole movement happening in TSWERIS is a heady cocktail ofintense ,powerful, forceful leadership,commitment to a cause that is believed in from thesoul , intense faith in oneself and in change-transformation ,proactive thinking andability to take the risk to experiment with that thought. He gave me a program-he told methat there were children who teachers said are academically challenged.I ,for mypart ,know and said there is no such category of children-yes, there are learningdisabilities,yes, there might be low academic achievement but no dull children-onlychallenged teachers.We ran the program that is today run across all the instt. I am soblessedthat the children with whom I worked for a fortnight changed completely from beingdestructive to being committed.No other official could-will ever have the courage to dowhat he did-experiment,find the best practices and implement it across .

Here is an IPS officer heading an IAS officers post in the organisation .a vetturned IPS, he is voracious reader who rose from the same schools he is heading today.How manyofficers can we count who will come out of his office and not go away ,even if it is animportant meeting ,because someone who came to see him did not get an audience? He has anamazing daughter too !

When he comes to the school to see the kids one has to see the frenzy of the children- Ihave been constantly reminded of MGR!!

And therefore my belief that the model will work anywhere else-of course we can projectmanage it ,but the human element-well I am not so sure.

I think this information has to be put in context .For one it looks like a trend but itis not.

I had the pleasure of working with this instt :Telangana Social Welfare ResidentialEducational Institutions Society (TSWREIS)

Two important factors govern this decision to open a University :one "which runs nearly268 residential institutions for Dalit students from Class V to under-graduate level,besidesthe recently sanctioned 39 non-residential play schools with pre-primary education."

​and the second:​

TSWREIS secretary Dr R S Praveen Kumar

​These are unique schools : it is for the reserved category and tribal children,it is residential and ​well ,it is like no other school.Children from day one take anoath that they will not be cowed downby their birth or anyone in power.From day one they are made to learn and learn wellwhich just means they are on par with many other school children.They have an exposure tothe world that is the envy of many private schools and all because of one man:

Dr R S Praveen Kumar

​I can fill volumes about this visionary but I would suggest the Google and to watchthe movie that is beingmade on him.​

​You name an exam in India and the children are provided the platform to be trained for itand​to take the exam .Mountaineering to CA to IAS to IPS ..anything.Details are also speltout in the article on their achievement.

​He is known as their father and is father to some 72000 kids​.

​And so as part of the natural progression from school to college which they were workingon for 2016-17​,a Univ is being thought of.

Subject: [MTC Global] India’s first university only for Dalit students to come up inHyderabad by 2018

If the Telangana government has its way, Dalit students who wish to pursue their post-graduation in the state will have an exclusiveuniversity for them by next academic year.

A proposal to establish an exclusive university for Dalit students in Hyderabad is underactive consideration of the state government,official sources said. The university is said to be part of the government’s policy ofproviding education free of cost to students from weaker sections from kindergarten topost-graduation (KG to PG) level.

The proposal was mooted by a government arm - Telangana Social Welfare ResidentialEducational Institutions Society (TSWREIS) which runsnearly 268 residential institutions for Dalit students from Class V to under-graduatelevel, besides the recently sanctioned 39 non-residential play schools with pre-primaryeducation.

“We discussed the proposal for establishing an exclusive university for Dalit studentswith chief minister K Chandrasekhar Rao recentlyand he has appreciated the idea. The modalities are being worked out and if everythinggoes as per the plan, we are likely to start the university by 2018-19 academic year,”TSWREIS secretary Dr R S Praveen Kumar told Hindustan Times.

Once established, it will be the first of its kind university for Dalit students in thecountry. At present, there are universities exclusivelyfor women and religious minorities but not for weaker sections, though they are givenreservations in various state-run universities.

Praveen said the objective of establishing an exclusive university for Dalit students isto provide them a comprehensive education, sothat they would come out as complete and knowledgeable citizens. “Till a couple of yearsago, we had been providing education to our students from primary school up toIntermediate. Later, we started degree colleges with under-graduate courses. At present,we have 30 degree colleges with over 3,500 students. In the next step, we want to groomthem as post-graduates by establishing our own university. Thus, we want to empower ourstudents with higher education so that they face any challenges in the world andcompete with any other social groups,” he said.

Once the Dalit university comes into existence, all degree colleges which are nowaffiliated to other universities, would come underit.

“The medium of instruction in all our institutions from schooling to graduation isEnglish. Our students are not inferior to studentsof any other English medium schools and colleges. Once the university comes into being,sky is the limit for them,” Praveen said.

The Dalit students of social welfare institutions have already been excelling inacademics for the last few years. This year, a recordnumber of 55 SC students got admission into MBBS and 15 others got into the BDS courseby securing good ranks in the National Eligibility Entrance Test (NEET)-2017.

“We launched a special training programme called Operation Blue Crystal in June, 2015,for MBBS aspirants. Besides, MBBS, our studentsare getting admission into several prestigious institutions in the country, like DelhiUniversity, Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS), Lady Shriram College and AzimPremji University,” he said.

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