Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

I've yet to see a commoner wear more than 1 piece of silk and even then they were like, a commonly known aide.And usually then they wear their employer aba/thing.I think a good way to learn it is:Do they have a guard?Are they wearing 3+ pieces of silk?Are you sure they aren't a nobles ho?

Yeah, that's largely thanks so a sumptuary thing which I frankly HATE. Silk is freely available for any commoner to buy. Metal is not.

If you want to make it where commoners can't freely wear silk around anywhere, you ought to stop stocking it publicly.

In fact, it's about the only thing I liked about Tuluk, was that I didn't have silk off limits. I hate sumptuary laws. If you genuinely believe that your blood is what makes you better, and the person is a loyal servant of one of the ruling houses with all the markers to indicate it, I see no reason why they should be harassed for buying something that's traded freely by a great merchant house.

That's its own whole ball of wax. But yes, I cannot state enough how much I hate this artificial sumptuary crap w/regards to silk.

Commoners can get and wear silk freely. They can't with metal. I could understand being bent af if one was wearing metal. Silk... honestly, not at all.

Except it's like part of documentation?

Unless "more commonly" translate to "illegal", I don't know where you're getting that. Can you point me to where it says that?

Bolded the bits that are relevant. You're stating your opinion ("I hate that Commoners can't wear silk") and then twisting it to make it seem like it's OK that Commoners wear Silk ("Commoners can get and wear silk.")

Just because they can do something, doesn't make it more or less against documentation. A Rinther can also sit at the bar in Red's Retreat, but that probably won't end well for them. So could an elf.

There are aspects about documentation, especially the more nuanced 'social documentation' for cities, that rely on players moreso than Staff to upkeep and adhere to. Humans and Elves not making quick friends with half-elves, for instance. Or Gemmed being shunned at worst, used at best, but rarely a 'friend' with a mundane. Just as well, the taboo behind Commoners wearing silk is their close replication of Nobility. We've seen very similar movements in our own world, with societies where certain colors were prohibited except by noble/ruling castes, where certain styles of clothing were forbidden to people of certain class or even color.

So -- While you want to have 'silk' appended to the end of your clothing item, maybe you could consider the documentation Staff wrote for Allanak when it comes to fashion, and try to adhere to it, because it makes the game world more believable and that's what everyone wants at the end of the day.

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Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

FYI, my elf sitting in Red's struck up an unlikely friendship that payed off in epic proportions. Short term, yeah, was going to get my ass beat, long term, defying common sense has its place.

Right, but if the exception to the rule becomes the rule, then it is no longer an exception.

The taboo of silk on a commoner is very much in the eye of the beholder. A Templar or Noble can make a Commoner's life hell if they want to, but if they're in with the right people, they can wear silk without much of an eyebat from the same types of people. An Elf is a commoner -- If they were wearing Silk, they might even get tossed into the Arena, because who needs anything more than a flimsy excuse to arrest an Elf?

There's more nuance to this than 'You Commoner. You No Wear Silk'.

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"You will have useful work: the destruction of evil men. What work could be more useful? This is Beyond; you will find that your work is never done -- So therefore you may never know a life of peace."

Perfect for ensuring you get the shit kicked out of you and left to walk naked through the desert while all the other men laugh at you and tear your silly clothes up into scraps of cloth for bandaging their glorious combat wounds.

I'm an equal opportunity basher. I don't care how many dicks you suck.

(I'm making fun of the fact the guy doesn't look like he belongs in an Armageddon combat troop of stone sword swinging veterans and the thought of seeing him in one wearing those clothes is making me laugh. I never once said anything about this guy's sexual orientation or his sexual preferences. I'm not sure if this is bait, or if I somehow struck a personal issue nerve with you. If anything....I'm pale/ginger/goofy clothes bashing....)

I agree, Reiloth, it IS much more complicated than that, which is as it should be. My elf never DID wear silk, but he dressed quite well. He never went into Red's again either (though he should have)... when you see a well-dressed commoner, you should think "Either this person is an idiot, or I should NOT fuck with them." Anyway, end derail, apologies, more fashion pics pls.

This seems as good a place as any to ask: what do folks envision when they see someone decked out in sandcloth? Part of me wants to imagine a tramp in a potato sack but I think it's more complicated than that.

Even if I only play fighters who never get to change out of their armor, I'd like to see some attention turned to commoner fashions, at least here in the thread. It's what most of us (theoretically) wear.

Saris like ChiBiTama posted earlier seem like good non-combatant/formal wear, but don't seem practical for the vast majority of Allanak's laboring populace.

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I'm always a little skeptical of bare flesh on my southern characters, but Iiyola's first picture does a great job of conveying form while also providing protection. Tight sleeves would be a item that lets you cover skin while still showing off your curves as well as color of your choosing.

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Let me introduce ya'll to an almost-universal form of desert/steppe/savannah wear: the thobe:

I hear you. Kinda boring, no? But practically everyone wore them in the 19th century and earlier. To the point where they were pretty much a standard unit of trade (the amount of tobacco or sugar you'd bought would be measured in plain white linen or cotton thobes) from Western Africa to the steppes of Uzbekistan.

Which means there are a lot of different styles.

For example, the Somali thobe:

(as a side note, check out the traditional Somali dye on this guy's hair. It's awesome. Ignore the button-down shirt, but the scarf's authentic.)

Here's a woman's version:

Or, I dunno...Yemeni thobes?

Or Sudanese thobes!

Or Khajeeli, or Punjabi, or Tajik, or or or or....

and they can be plain

or fancy

Some even good enough for a noble to wear!

As a parting note, I can think of no better way for a fashionable Borsail to say, "I have more money than you," than this:

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