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If most of us do what we can to help the effort, led by the American Kratom Association, then winning should be a done deal. We have the science on our side. Gottlieb will look stupid if we ever face him in a court of law or a Senate hearing.

It IS a tempting thought to move somewhere that kratom grows and is part of the culture, though, but we need to win this fight HERE for the sake of the many who need this plant and are too sick or disabled to fight the battle themselves.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 22 Feb 2019 04:10:43 +0000My First Kratom Experience Today! - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7398-my-first-kratom-experience-today?start=10#34981
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7398-my-first-kratom-experience-today?start=10#34981
Have you tried any other therapies for your painful condition?

There are other thing out there that can help. Kratom does not cure chronic pain as I have said many times. Root causes must be indentified.

Alos in the defense of physicians they are only trying to practice good medicine. All the evidence we have shows us that opiates will NOT continue working in the long term, and users will just require increasing amounts, so better to get off them and onto something else as you look for other therapies that might help relieve inflammation/infection/allergies or any other number of conditions that could be contributing to the painful condition.

we are here to help in any way we can
Let's face it...looking after our own health can be a LOT of work, very overwhelming and confusing at times too!

BTW....at the end of my oxy use I continue filling the prescription even though I was not taking it anymore because, like you, I just wanted to make sure I had some on hand in case I needed it in the future. I didn't! It is still in the cupboard and the ony time I have used it was when I recently had some dental surgery and the oral surgeon did NOT give me any pain prescription.

It had been almost 2 years since I had used any opiates...been using only kratom in that time. I was very please to find that my opiate tolerance had come donw by almost 2/3rds in that time. So even with the Kratom, use my body was down regulating. - YEAH!

I would NOT recommend that anyone follow my example! When you are off the opiates your tolerance level DOES decrease and it would be quite easy to overdose if you went back to your old opiate dose after your body had down regulated.

I was able to do it safely because I had the knowledge base to calculate morphine equivalents and I knew what I was doing.]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:03 +0000Has anyone tried CBD? Thoughts?? - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7151-has-anyone-tried-cbd-thoughts?start=10#34962
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7151-has-anyone-tried-cbd-thoughts?start=10#34962
But. For budgetary reasons, I’ve not invested time/money into this.

I think it’s also a metabolism thing because many people (AND PETS!) get good results.

We need a group of volunteer samplers here to guide us?! LOL

We have one member who had a bad reaction after diligent efforts trying it. I just get - meh. And I’ve tried a few good ones.

Perhaps my thinking is the problem since mindset can make a difference to some extent.

More research here is needed. There are just TOO MANY CHOICES, also. The stuff is EVERYWHERE!]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 20 Feb 2019 13:09:45 +0000Kratom and sinus medication - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7435-kratom-and-sinus-medication#34922
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7435-kratom-and-sinus-medication#34922
The kratom took the edge off the damn pseudoephedrine. I am awake and posting late night because I forget how I react to pseudoephedrine- agitation, insomnia, lose of appetite, anxiety.
It been awhile since my sinuses got this bad I needed the meds to ward off an infection.
I had to cave in- the headache, blurred vision, and having every tooth in my mouth feel like it was being pushed out was enough and yes snot nosed does need to be my thing lol.
Kratom has calmed my speedy feeling but I feel like sleep is going to be hard.
Hopefully I will only need to take it for a few days.
I plan on taking Green Malay in the morning its my more mellow green.]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 19 Feb 2019 06:50:09 +0000I have a question on kratom shelf life - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7425-i-have-a-question-on-kratom-shelf-life#34847
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7425-i-have-a-question-on-kratom-shelf-life#34847
Testing this yr (2019) found it to be just as good as it was then.

EDIT: thanks Nan70. I enjoyed the reddit link.

I enjoy all of your handy links! You rock!]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 18 Feb 2019 06:06:36 +0000How come no reviews? - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5274-how-come-no-reviews?start=10#34719
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5274-how-come-no-reviews?start=10#34719
Hope you find the forum discussions worthy of hanging out to gather positivity for your future purchases. Some of the finest kratom vendors are members of the ILK forum and the very finest kratom customers are here discussing the journeys.

Yours would be welcome also! Besides the recent lesson. The ILK Vendors are vetted for quality, safety and secure purchasing and all take particular pride in customer service because they are also chronic pain patients or have been.

Stick around maybe? You signed up, so you’re now a member!]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 13 Feb 2019 23:53:35 +0000Kratom to Australia - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/3925-kratom-to-australia?start=20#34596
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/3925-kratom-to-australia?start=20#34596
Please no marketing products on the forum until you’ve applied for approval.

Not that you are doing so. Thanks!]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 11 Feb 2019 02:56:55 +0000Kratom a Day in my life, Oh Boy - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7179-kratom-a-day-in-my-life-oh-boy#34562
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7179-kratom-a-day-in-my-life-oh-boy#34562
Greens have been over all anxiety relieving but I cannot mix them. If I mix greens with any color even another green its a fail.
The most sedating Reds like bentuangies and Sumatra with give me a slightly depressed feeling, what I learned is to dose sedating strains down a bit.
I like the Kratom experiment. It gives me the control, even when somethings it feels like you don't always know what you will get. For the most part I am able to achieve consistent function and pain relief. I actually learned from taking Kratom how much I was in denial that I also suffered from anxiety. Very eye opening.
I also do not feel dependence after over a year of use. Some days I won't take it. I look at my arsenal of health remedies and Kratom is chosen because it works the best]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 10 Feb 2019 03:12:13 +0000OasisKratom Warning - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7380-oasiskratom-warning#34525
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7380-oasiskratom-warning#34525
Thanks for reminding everyone in this thread also about Buy Bulk Kratom USA as of more current times. I got one nice order from them in mid 2016 before things got - weird (unpredictable).]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 09 Feb 2019 00:45:05 +0000Do all Kratom strains help with Pain Relief? - by: Plathianhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7177-do-all-kratom-strains-help-with-pain-relief?start=10#34517
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7177-do-all-kratom-strains-help-with-pain-relief?start=10#34517
Still, I use Kratom exclusively for pain control and call it my medicine. I have slow reds for evening/night and faster reds for the AM/afternoon. Some vendors offer pink Kratom, a mix of red and white, and I will sometimes take a spoonful of that and another spoonful of a straight red for daytime use. Some vendors have reds that give me enough energy on its own and mood burst, along with pain relief, so I mostly stick with reds and at night blend my reds with a slower yellow or gold.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 08 Feb 2019 15:29:54 +0000Kratom article - by: aurora77https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7381-kratom-article#34512
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7381-kratom-article#34512Kratom DiscussionFri, 08 Feb 2019 06:30:37 +0000How long does everyone wait to eat after dosing - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7111-how-long-does-everyone-wait-to-eat-after-dosing?start=20#34465
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7111-how-long-does-everyone-wait-to-eat-after-dosing?start=20#34465

KRA KRA wrote:

bomalley wrote: It depends on the timing of the food and Kratom.
The way I read what you wrote is that you ate <strong>just</strong> after taking Kratom and it made you feel better, when usually you take it on an empty stomach and it makes you feel sick.

Did I get that wrong?

BEV i thought that Humboldt strong was for Humboldt county the marijuana captiol of the US lol

Ever watch "Murder Mountain" on Netflix?
NO...it is in reference to a traumatic highway tragedy here in Humboldt Saskatchewan that killed an entire hockey team.

I put it up just after the accident and because of site redesign work that is ongoing, I have not been able to change my profile.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 06 Feb 2019 02:03:56 +0000Is 30 grams a day too much? - by: Jazzfan1https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7185-is-30-grams-a-day-too-much#34448
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7185-is-30-grams-a-day-too-much#34448
One of the things I like to do it use a lot of different strains and variety of colors in my daily routine.
This helps to keep the good vibes of Kratom fresh and it fights off tolerance.
I like to mix Greens & Reds sometimes a little White in my morning and mid day doses. Then for evenings I like to mix Reds, Yellows, Golds, Buetangies.
My advice is to use a few different vendors and spread your orders out of a lot of different strains/colors and keep the quantity reasonably small. This helps you get a lot of different Alkaloids to work with and keep your Kratom experiences new and Fresh.
You will be amazed at how your body will react to an ever changing kratom menu.

Good Luck.....]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 05 Feb 2019 00:16:26 +0000Measuring doses - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7166-measuring-doses#34315
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7166-measuring-doses#34315
I’d be curious if grinding live leaves and stems is possible too?]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 29 Jan 2019 06:35:52 +0000OPMS liquid kratom shot question - by: GOE1122https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7152-opms-liquid-kratom-shot-question#34288
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7152-opms-liquid-kratom-shot-question#34288Kratom DiscussionSun, 27 Jan 2019 21:06:29 +0000The Validity of Kratom Strain Categories - by: BKBTaylorhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7160-the-validity-of-kratom-strain-categories#34274
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7160-the-validity-of-kratom-strain-categories#34274
I think there are ony three strains RED, WHITE, AND GREEN. Since s strain is a genetic subtype labelling strains as Borneo, or Sumatra is just labelling it for the geographic area it was grown it...that is a brand not a strain.

I agree with kemppaulh...it would be really nice to see some standardization in the industry."

kemppaulh hit the nail on the head, but, in response to bomalley, I'd like to point out that many -if not, most- people are thinking and talking about kratom types as strains and not distinguishing between brand and strain. Strain is, more or less, just another word for "type"; so it's understandable why people would talk about it in that way. From a scientific perspective(according to my research) they haven't actually haven't found clear differences between "strains" and the classifications aren't clear yet. For instance, green vein and white vein are often(if not, always) the same, and the color of their vein simply depends on the time of the year. Also, the color depends largely on the drying and processing of the kratom, not on the vein - another point people are often confused about. Furthermore, from the harvesters and farmers to the wholesalers and vendors, people are very loosely labeling kratom according to their personal or local standards, or simply for marketing purposes. As previously mentioned by kemppaulh, there isn't standardization and it definitely isn't ideal for kratom users and the kratom community as a whole. Nonetheless, I do think most people in the industry have good intentions and I have faith that, as the industry matures and kratom becomes less controversial, this issue will work itself out.

I appreciate all the responses ]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 27 Jan 2019 04:22:07 +0000Kratom before general anesthesia/surgery - by: curiouskratterhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7164-kratom-before-general-anesthesia-surgery?start=10#34271
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7164-kratom-before-general-anesthesia-surgery?start=10#34271
That being said, I know someone who had a procedure. I think he has a strong tolerance for pain, but instead of local anesthesia, he just took kratom.]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 27 Jan 2019 04:08:33 +0000My mini Kratom collection - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7153-my-mini-kratom-collection#34225
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7153-my-mini-kratom-collection#34225

KRA KRA wrote:
I just came off subutex a week ago so I still haven't started to experience the full effects of the Kratom yet. Furthermore I have not been able to tell a difference from One company white to the next. I have such a variety and really no two brands with an alike strain except a very few. I will try to give a better description and analysis of each when I am further away from the Bupe.

I have never had much luck differentiating between the same strains from vendors either...so I just go with the best value if I know that strain works for me.

I do have some packages in my Kratom cupboard that do not work at all for me. I keep a "no fly" box for these. BUT every so often...if I am having a good day I use one of these strains to see if anything has changed.

I put a blank sticky label on the outside of each new bag and make notes right on it for the first few tries. If everything works out well and I buy a larger amountof that same strain from that vendor, then I transfer it to one of my glass or plastic jars and label it with my label maker. I put the name AND the vendor on the label.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 25 Jan 2019 07:04:43 +0000Shelf life of Kratom - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7110-shelf-life-of-kratom#34204
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7110-shelf-life-of-kratom#34204
Putting it in the freezer might require them, as that’s been mentioned here as one member found out kratom absorbs smells in there and had an entire bag full that smelled and tasted like garlic/onions. LOL

Avoid freezing is what I learned from that thread. LOL]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 24 Jan 2019 22:49:33 +0000Rotation Advice? - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7156-rotation-advice#34201
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I also label a few ziplocs which have my daily rotation strains. I placed workday kratom- all greens packages in one ziploc bag the one I take I move to the back of the bag.

With Red strains I have two bags one labeled Reds the other rotation Reds. I take a sharpie and name them right on the original bag- Zombie(sleepy strain), Happy, Fuzzy, Numbnum, and ??? these are just triggers that I can remember what I took the night before, I find I remember numbnum over Red Thai, Red Hulu.

I would just expand your selection a little bit and put the strain that you feel is fatigued aside for a while.

As far as the work/energy- vs sleep. for me I take greens only during the day and then I switch to reds only at night. You could try to switch this order.
Noting that kratom is subjective and I have had green strains relax me and reds keep me awake labeling the bag with a sharpie helps me remember with this.]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 24 Jan 2019 21:09:08 +0000Freezing Kratom tea? - by: curiouskratterhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7135-freezing-kratom-tea#34154
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7135-freezing-kratom-tea#34154Kratom DiscussionWed, 23 Jan 2019 07:15:59 +0000tax time - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7155-tax-time#34148
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7155-tax-time#34148
So-cal has a strain called Green Zareena which when in stock I pick up a few grams been buying it here and there over the past year and its always a hit for me. It sells out extremely fast.
Most Kratom from Inland Botanicals I did not like the mixes as much as the single strains, They have a good Yellow currently.

I don't do the whites so much.

The rest of my best stuff I bought over 4 months ago so it wouldn't be the same batch.

How's the fam, hope the little ones are happy and the New Year will treat everyone well.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 23 Jan 2019 03:23:04 +0000Closing in on my 1 year Kratom Anniversary!@ - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7147-closing-in-on-my-1-year-kratom-anniversary#34137
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7147-closing-in-on-my-1-year-kratom-anniversary#34137
I’m approaching 1-1/2 years and going strong ,

Pain, anxiety and depression.... at a remarkable coping level thanks to Kratom’s effects

I am one of those who take big doses, sometimes if the Kratom is very strong I’ll take less but usually 2-3 tsp per dose 3-4 x a day ....

I’d like to take less but only because I want my supply to last longer and for tolerance issues , I take mostly for chronic neck and back pain, you and me Nan70.... same kind of deal, spinal arthritis... but I use more amount and more frequently... with great benefit to my life quality

Here here..... cheers to those who’ve found the best relief amidst all the struggle and medical bs ,

Very nice as always to see your babies , they grow up so fast]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 22 Jan 2019 17:14:07 +0000Article "Why We Should Continue To Study Kratom" - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7130-article-why-we-should-continue-to-study-kratom#33972
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7130-article-why-we-should-continue-to-study-kratom#33972
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently gave final approval for the first non-opioid drug shown to lessen the severity of opioid withdrawal symptoms. Meanwhile, President Trump signed into law groundbreaking “right to try” legislation allowing the terminally ill to explore unapproved medical treatments as a last resort.

In light of these developments, researchers and advocates of the botanical Kratom were hopeful for increased support for the study of the herb as a new treatment for opioid withdrawal symptoms, acute and chronic pain, and a range of mood disorders.

Instead the FDA has spoken out against Kratom, ignoring a history of safe use and existing research. By overstating safety concerns, the FDA has dismissed any possibility that Kratom might have benefits.

Advocacy groups and researchers who have studied Kratom for years argue that this is not the time to be closing the door on any possible new treatments or preventions. With daily fatalities due to opioids exceeding those from automobile accidents, it is clear that new approaches and solutions to the opioid epidemic are needed.

Instead, the FDA recommendation to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) to schedule (as in, effectively ban) Kratom and its alkaloids threatens fledgling efforts by researchers to investigate the alkaloids as potential new pain treatments, would hinder scientific advances as well as crucial preclinical and clinical studies.

Given that surveys suggest millions of Kratom users purchase products in the U.S. as a preferred therapy for a variety of disorders including as a path and maintenance strategy away from opioids, banning lawful sale will put many at risk of resuming licit or illicit opioid use.

In February 2018, the FDA commissioner released a statement declaring products derived from the leaves of the Southeast Asian tree Mitragyna speciosa (Kratom) and its alkaloids mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine as opioids similar to morphine and heroin.

The justification was primarily based on a computer model, the Public Health Assessment via Structure Elucidation (PHASE), which is a “novel” approach with little application and no validation data published.

In the case of Kratom, the FDA appears to be lacking transparency, with Commissioner Scott Gottlieb publicly attributing “scores of deaths” to Kratom consumption. In reality, FDA has identified 44 case reports worldwide over more than a decade; all but one involved consumption of other drugs or substances that can be causative in a fatality.

These “findings” make it unclear if Kratom is responsible for even just that one death, much less any other. To get some perspective, compare that one case over more than a decade to the 115 deaths each day in the U.S. from opioid overdoses.

So what do we know about Kratom?

The alkaloids naturally occurring in Kratom are not classic opioids like morphine or heroin. This is why Kratom consumption does not lead to classic opioid symptoms, such as the feared respiratory depression, which is often the cause of death for opioids like morphine and fentanyl.

Of note, none of the 44 deaths that involved Kratom were from respiratory failure and there has been no observation in the literature that Kratom users experienced respiratory depression.

Surveys and observational studies have indicated the majority of Kratom users in the U.S. use the powdered leaves for alleviation of mild to moderate acute or chronic pain as well as for an emotional or mental condition.

A smaller number of users indicated that they consume Kratom to mitigate withdrawal symptoms from illicit or prescription drug dependence. The fact that doses used between these different indications did not differ suggests a low likelihood for dependence development.

Nonetheless, the FDA issued an import alert, based on the assertion that Kratom is dangerous, thus permitting automatic detention of Kratom materials without physical examination.

The alert has resulted in several imports of Kratom products being seized at ports and has forced many consumers to obtain products through internet distributors that may be located outside the country.

The recent salmonella contamination of Kratom products highlights the risks associated with inconsistent enforcement of the mandatory 2007 Current Good Manufacturing Practice (CGMP) rule for dietary supplements by the FDA.

The import alert combined with a failure to treat Kratom leaves as a dietary supplement and enforce CGMP regulations has forced Kratom products into an underground, grey market that permits adulterated and substandard products to flourish while driving legitimate products out of the marketplace.

The FDA should consider that Kratom fits right into the current push in Washington to allow for creative approaches for treatment of pain and opioid addiction. As current research and epidemiological studies indicate, Kratom use in the U.S. is on the rise.

It is in the interest of public health to take an approach to regulating Kratom products that permits ongoing access to Kratom but with oversight as is provided for other dietary supplements. The FDA has the ability to enforce appropriate quality controls for Kratom, ensuring consumers have access to products manufactured properly, rather than scheduling Kratom and forcing consumers to unregulated, illicit markets.

Thanks for the tip on that vendor!]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 10 Jan 2019 20:57:35 +0000The Future of Kratom Article - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7103-the-future-of-kratom-article#33818
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7103-the-future-of-kratom-article#33818
DEA official says the answer should already be clear.

By Peter Hess on November 19, 2018

For months, the fate of the opioid-like plant kratom has hung in the balance. Will the US government make it illegal next year? Next week? With every fresh piece of news, scientists and kratom users alike tense up, ready for the hammer to fall. But the anticipated day hasn’t arrived yet, and it’s still not clear when it will. The moment seemed nigh on November 13, when Business Insider posted a story in which a US Drug Enforcement Administration spokesperson seemed to suggest that the decision would be announced any day now.

DEA spokesperson Melvin Patterson told Inverse that Erin Brodwin’s article for BI “wasn’t a very accurate portrayal” of his comments, though his telling of the facts outlined a distinction without a difference. “There’s no telling when the documentation will be submitted to the [Federal Register],” he said. “It could be next week, it could be the week thereafter, it could

Whatever the timeline may be, the fact remains that a ruling is coming. Regardless of what Patterson really meant, the DEA’s stance on kratom raises serious questions about whether federal authorities are considering the latest research, the experiences of scientists, or the reality of illegalizing drugs when deciding the future of kratom, a controversial substance that has shown promise in helping people with chronic pain and opioid use disorder. The Federal Drug Administration submitted its recommendation to ban kratom to the DEA in 2017, and researchers at the DEA have been reviewing the recommendation since then.

Scott Gottlieb, M.D.
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@SGottliebFDA
· Aug 17, 2018
Replying to @SGottliebFDA
There are no proven medical uses for kratom and #FDA strongly discourages the public from consuming it. Kratom is an opioid and it's an inherently addictive product that can cause harm, which is reason enough not to consume it, but also may make users sick
go.usa.gov/xUe3T

Scott Gottlieb, M.D.
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@SGottliebFDA
If you or a loved one are addicted to the opioid kratom, treatment options are available. #FDA approved medications combined w/counseling & behavioral therapies can help regain control of your life, transition to one of sobriety. Please consult your doctor
go.usa.gov/xUe3N

“Now appears FDA Director Gottlieb is back to trying to push every scary concept available,” tweeted kratom advocate Drew Turner, who takes kratom for chronic pain and nerve issues. “Apparently if you take #Kratom now you are eventually going to either wind up an addict or have salmonella.”
Gottlieb’s statements, in that case, were heavy on fear tactics and light on science. On the one hand, kratom has been shown to cause psychological symptoms of withdrawal in people who use it for a long time then stop. On the other hand, the FDA’s assertions that 44 deaths can be linked to kratom since 2009 has serious issues since many of the deaths involved other potentially deadly substances.

In June, the results of a rat study suggested that kratom could help people stop taking opioids and that it had low potential to drive addiction. The paper, published in Addiction Biology, showed that the two main active molecules in kratom, mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, have quite different effects. Whereas MG reduced rats’ desire for morphine, 7-HMG seemed to increase it, indicating that the effects of kratom could be even more complicated and multi-faceted than scientists previously understood. But if kratom becomes illegal, both of these molecules could be placed on equal footing, making it extremely difficult for researchers to further explore the therapeutic potential of kratom and it’s components.

Indeed, Patterson confirmed that if kratom is placed on the controlled substances list, it would be MG and 7-HMG, not just the plant itself, on the list.

Amid all the controversy, the scientific community’s ability to accurately assess the potential harms and benefits of kratom could become much more difficult. If the drug is added to Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, the highest category of illegality that indicates a drug has no accepted medical use and high potential for harm, any scientist who wants to study it would need to obtain a special DEA license and beef up laboratory security to meet the DEA’s safety protocols.
In the eyes of Andrew Kruegel, Ph.D., an associate research scientist in chemistry and neuroscience at Columbia University who has worked with kratom, this scenario would have a profound chilling effect on kratom research.

“There are significant and burdensome regulatory requirements to maintaining a Schedule I registration with the DEA,” Kruegel told Inverse. “This is well known in the scientific community among those involved with psychoactive drug research.” He points to the cases of cannabis, MDMA, and psilocybin, all of which have been listed as Schedule I drugs for decades, but all of which have shown significant therapeutic potential in recent years. “Unfortunately, these exciting developments have taken decades longer than they should have, due in large part to the challenges of conducting scientific research with Schedule I compounds,” said Kruegel.

Even without scheduling, just the threat of a change to kratom’s legal status has been hindering research. Kruegel says he had a collaborator back out of a project earlier this year because of the legal pall hanging over them. As Troy Farah reported for Tonic, kratom researchers had shut down their studies in 2016 when the DEA threatened a ban. That plan stalled out due to lobbying efforts on behalf of the kratom industry, but the uncertain timeline for scheduling has left many researchers wary about embarking on new projects.

Patterson, for his part, said it’s “baffling” that scientists would claim their research is made more difficult by the threat of scheduling.

“I’d be confused as to why that research would be halted because there’s established protocols for how any substance is researched,” he said.

But as Kruegel noted (and he’s far from the first one to say this), history paints a clear picture of how scheduling affects scientists’ ability to research drugs. In response to Patterson’s comment, he said, “I respectfully disagree.”
As far as how the DEA will rule, Patterson pointed out that for anyone who’s been paying attention to the FDA’s messaging about kratom, it should be pretty clear.

“I think that there’s a good indication based on what we already heard from [Health and Human Services]” — of which the FDA is a part — “what they’ve provided, and what Doctor Gottlieb has been saying,” he said. “So I think that should have given everybody a good idea,” he added.

So at this point, the question seems to be not so much if kratom will be scheduled, but when it will be.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 09 Jan 2019 06:04:39 +0000Kratom Research Article - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7102-kratom-research-article#33817
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7102-kratom-research-article#33817
They're optimistic human trials can begin in five years.
By Peter Hess on December 14, 2018

The controversial plant kratom, a drug with opioid-like properties, is directly in the cross-hairs of American federal regulators. Because it has some similarities to problematic opioids like oxycodone and fentanyl, multiple government agencies have attempted, with some success, to severely curtail its availability. That’s why it was so unexpected when on Monday the University of Florida announced it had a received a $3.5 million grant from the National Institute on Drug Abuse to research the drug.
The two-year grant, awarded to researchers in the school’s College of Pharmacy, will fund studies on the dozen or so active compounds in the plant, not just mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, the two that are most commonly studied and most abundant in the plant. The hope is that understanding the various chemical ways in which kratom generates its effects will help both scientists and federal regulators determine whether kratom is safe and effective as a medicine.

“I’m actually happy to know that the National Institutes of Health is supportive of very carefully controlled research studies to generate the data that can then be used to make decisions,” Lance McMahon, Ph.D., a professor of pharmacodynamics at UF’s College of Pharmacy, tells Inverse.

Despite the somewhat inhospitable research climate, McMahon is confident that human trials using kratom could happen within five years.
A Step in the Right Direction
To those in the kratom research community, the NIH’s move may seem surprising, since multiple branches of the federal government have cracked down on kratom in recent years. The Drug Enforcement Agency, for example, told Inverse in November that federal regulators would probably make kratom illegal or at least crack down on it severely; the DEA tried, unsuccessfully, to ban it in 2016. The drug’s opioid-like properties have garnered the ire of the Food and Drug Administration, whose top officials argue kratom has no legitimate medical purpose and have issued several public warnings about certain kratom brands having Salmonella contamination.

But kratom has shown strong potential for helping chronic pain patients and people living with opioid use disorder, who use it as an alternative to prescription or illicit opioids. McMahon is adamant that we need to understand the plant fully in order to make sensible, science-backed regulations.
“This grant, in addition to being focused on those two alkaloids, also is very interested in several of the other alkaloids that have not been discussed,” says McMahon. “They are present in relatively low concentrations, so they often get ignored, but it’s our belief that if we are to understand the plant and human use of the plant, then it’s critical to begin to understand what each of the individual alkaloids in the plant is doing.”
More Than Mitragynine
For years, mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, the two most well-known active alkaloids in kratom, have received the majority of the attention from scientists and regulators. Research has shown that these alkaloids activate the body’s opioid receptors in a way that’s similar to well-known opioids like morphine, heroin, and fentanyl, but without the same kind of respiratory depression that can lead to death from those drugs. In October, a team of researchers identified the lethal dosages of the two alkaloids — in short, they’re extremely high dosages that most kratom tea drinkers would never ingest. But mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine aren’t the only alkaloids present in kratom.
Recent research co-authored by the co-principal investigator on the NIDA project, Chris McCurdy Ph.D., also strongly suggests it’s worth looking into kratom’s other alkaloids. McCurdy, a professor of medicinal chemistry at the UF College of Pharmacy, showed in a Planta Medica paper in November that rats who consumed a kratom tea solution had higher blood levels of mitragynine than the rats who only got the extract, suggesting that the other alkaloids play a role in the way mitragynine is absorbed.

This kind of research can help clarify the contentious messaging and research coming from federal regulators. An FDA-sponsored analysis from February showed that, based on a computer model of how mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine could activate opioid receptors, kratom is an opioid and therefore should be tightly controlled. But critics of the FDA’s analysis suggested that its computer model doesn’t give the full picture of kratom’s safety profile. And McCurdy’s past research has shown that the picture is more complicated than a simple “yes” or “no” answer to the question of whether kratom is an opioid like morphine or fentanyl.

Avoiding Abuse
In addition to studying the various compounds in kratom, the team will investigate whether lab animals respond to kratom in the way they respond to morphine by testing their desire to self-administer kratom. This should shed light on the addictive properties of the drug.
“There’s some evidence my collaborator Dr. McCurdy has published suggesting 7-hydroxymitragynine has greater misuse potential, if you will, or abuse liability, than mitragynine,” says McMahon. The study in question, published in June, showed that rats will self-administer 7-hydroxymitragynine when given the chance, but they won’t self-administer mitragynine. McMahon adds that their team has found some evidence that 7-hydroxymitragynine is only present in leaves once they’ve been heated to dry them, and may not actually exist in kratom leaves on the tree, making the picture even more complicated.

The researchers hope to build on these preliminary understandings of kratom with their research, and perhaps most importantly, they hope their work will lead to human trials in the next half-decade.
“I do believe that there’s great interest in doing controlled human studies with these alkaloids,” says McMahon. “I would anticipate that those experiments are high on the list of priorities for the NIH and the National Institute on Drug Abuse, and I am confident in saying that there will be major efforts put forward to have those trials initiated within the next five years. So I think that’s going to happen for sure.”

Despite FDA Administrator Scott Gottlieb, M.D.’s public comments about kratom that have been criticized as classic anti-drug scare tactics, the researchers are optimistic that the NIH is funding the search for objective information about a drug that federal regulators have seemed all-too-eager to ban in recent years.

“We can all agree that the more qualified individuals there are making these assessments, and the greater agreement there is among different individuals who are making those assessments, the better,” says McMahon.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 09 Jan 2019 05:41:55 +0000Interesting Article - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7086-interesting-article#33802
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7086-interesting-article#33802

kemppaulh wrote: Thanks for sharing this, MadMax. The only question I have is that my understanding, largely gained from a friend who's successfully growing large kratom trees in the USA, is that the leaf veins progress from white to green to red in maturity, as they develop more of the 7-hydroxy-mitragynine, thus overpowering the stimulating effects of Mitragynine which predominates in the white and green vein strains.

Any info you, or other forum members, can provide will be appreciated on this subject. I've also heard from my friend, the grower, that the leaves on the same tree change colors in response to changing weather conditions and the onset of flowering. I am not free to travel to see for myself what the truth is, but I may need to, to resolve this puzzling question.

Thanks for any help you can offer to clarify this subject.

I asked this Question on Facebook to all of my Friends & here is what 2 of them said:

Indo Supplier:
Depending on the drying process and the grinding process.

Indo Vendor:
Yes in one tree there are several leaf veins, but I have never made an observation why there is a change in color of the vein and whether the color of the vein affects the content of mitragyna. This is an interesting question, after making observations later it might be explained. But for strain green, white or red it just about drying methods. I also wait for the answer if someone has made an observation.

I will wait for more Answers because I have many that haven't weighed in yet.]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 08 Jan 2019 11:36:24 +0000Article on Nationwide Ban - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7095-article-on-nationwide-ban#33788
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7095-article-on-nationwide-ban#33788
Thanks Somethingsacredgoinonhere for the kind words. I am sure everybody on here Loves Kratom as much as I do.

I'm sorry I haven't been able to be on the Forum lately very much. I have been having stomach issues for years now & they take a turn for the worse sometimes. The doctor says it is IBS but he says that because he has no idea what is causing it. I've had stomach issues way before I started taking Kratom. So I know Kratom is not the soul cause of it.

I will try to be on the Forum more to answer any questions.]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 07 Jan 2019 14:32:34 +00003 weeks since I received my cuttings - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6887-3-weeks-since-i-received-my-cuttings#33767
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6887-3-weeks-since-i-received-my-cuttings#33767
Happy new year Clark , keep on sending us Updates, they all look so healthy]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 05 Jan 2019 23:33:41 +0000Kratom status viewpoint 1/4/2019 - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7093-kratom-status-viewpoint-1-4-2019#33766
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7093-kratom-status-viewpoint-1-4-2019#33766
I agree about Kratom not getting you high but the best option (that I’ve experienced) in bringing about relief that one can turn to ... inplace of opiates which runs a high percent rate of addiction and other emotional/ psychological detriment...what a threat to the pharmaceutical industry !

I say let us have our safe and relieving herb, let them make a version of their liking so everyone’s happy, they get their money and we get to choose what we know helps with our ailments !

Thx for sharing in on the babies growth, you must be a proud papa ]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 30 Dec 2018 03:25:21 +0000The Biggest Lie About Kratom EXPOSED. By Re-leaf LLC - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/4765-the-biggest-lie-about-kratom-exposed-by-re-leaf-llc?start=40#33634
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/4765-the-biggest-lie-about-kratom-exposed-by-re-leaf-llc?start=40#33634

Re-leaf LLC wrote: When you really think about the issues and the non-science based labels. It's hard not to see. You couldn't take a leaf to a scientist (not even the world's leading Dr in kratom research) and ask him/her to prove that this leaf is "Red Borneo" or prove this is "White Maeng Da"... It really is a joke how absurd it is. The whole world has be duped! Lol There is no way to differentiate "strains" other than some weird made up inconsistent rules that change person to person!

The word "strain" has been misused in the industry to refer to brand names or trade mixtures.

The vendors are using the word strain to refer to the different geographical origins of the plant. I am not sure that carrots grown in California are different than carrots grown in farms close to me. So technically these are not strains.

I know that red Kratom has higher concentrations of pain relieving alkaloids and even my 97 year old mother can tell the difference between a green and a red. So they do have different alkaloid profiles, BUT technically I think there are only three strains... Red, White and Green. Any other descriptors are just branding.

A lot of this has been fed by marketing to a customer base that is DESPERATE for relief from symptoms or addiction.

The only way I can differentiate between vendors products is by taste (some have a chemical taste) and grind (some powders are finer than others), BUT I have not been able to differentiate a Green Horn from one vendor as compared to a Green Horn from another vendor. They try to convince you that there is a difference in order to gain brand loyalty.

So I look for a vendor that tests the product, AND has reasonable pricing and fast delivery. THAT vendor has my loyalty!]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 29 Dec 2018 23:04:32 +0000Please help: used Kratom for opiate detox - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7046-please-help-used-kratom-for-opiate-detox#33596
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7046-please-help-used-kratom-for-opiate-detox#33596
After getting off the antidepressants a week later I stopped taking my anxiety medication, it’s been over a year and with my Kratom regimen I’ve stayed away from any relapse of depression and my anxiety levels are what I’d call closer to normal than they’ve probably been since I was a little boy,

I really my story to give you courage that it can be done, with your kind made up and determination to do this, song with some strategic planning,

It’s a scary thing to embark upon but going through this kind of experience will give you more know how to 1) not get back to that spot ever again & (2) a more empathetic and knowledgeable aspect in being a better person who is able to truly live with more mindfulness and love for life,

It’s nice to not feed the monkey on the back,

I’d imagine some quality green maeng da and some potent red veins would help you through the process

Get moving around, distract yourself when struggles pop up and observe the struggle/ pain as if you were watching someone else go through it , breathe and move and know this will all pass

Good luck!! You CAN DO IT!!!!

We are here to encourage and support your efforts and struggle the best we can

Much love]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 27 Dec 2018 20:28:37 +0000Should I see a Doctor? - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7053-should-i-see-a-doctor?start=10#33573
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7053-should-i-see-a-doctor?start=10#33573
It is an amazing herb and yes you’re right many of us do benefit tremendously from it, but not all react so favorably and if you do decide to try again at a later point in time really ease yourself into it and keep health and mind every step of the way, stay hydrated keep your dose low, many folks don’t take it every day, good for keeping turn tolerance down !! and maybe there is no main reason for taking it, maybe it’s just not for you, and that’s fine

Take care and thanks again for getting back to us]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 26 Dec 2018 20:25:49 +0000Kratom vs. the Common Cold - by: jayiskhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6975-kratom-vs-the-common-cold?start=20#33518
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6975-kratom-vs-the-common-cold?start=20#33518
Also, the newer thing is to raise the price of drugs that people need,,like insulin..,so they sell to less people but make a bigger profit by raising the price. Currently no laws on the books against this practice. Most PCP and all psychiatrist will try to keep you on prescription drugs forever if possible. Figure a lot of people take 4 to 8 prescription drugs that are killing them. Or don't need to be taking.

Should be about 3 weeks now since i started using kratom. I love it. Its like no other substance I've tried before. My mind and body being fried from being on illegal and legal drugs my whole life. Kratom now allows me to look forward to waking up because I know i would feel lethargic and depressed. Plus its the only thing that has ever worked for my insomnia.
It actually makes small talk interesting again. My anxiety and depression are better. My stomach issues have cleared up.
I take 2 blood pressure meds and have been out of one for a while. Went to my PCP today and my blood pressure reading in the dr's office was the lowest it has ever been.
Unfortunately been house ridden since Monday. Have cellulitis in one of my feet and it is extremely painful and I cant do my normal daily tasks. The kratom doesn't help for that type of pain but it does make me having to stay home with my legs elevated doable.
I'm sure there are more positive effects from kratom and cant believe it doesn't come with the nasty issues of taking opiates.
The thing with politicization, Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big industry,etc., is the more you are exposed to them and see the truth that it is all about money and power..,and they could care less about the other people's well being.., is sickening and disgusting.]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 22 Dec 2018 03:28:22 +0000what are your experiences with "bentuangie"? - by: CrayDumbhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6998-what-are-your-experiences-with-bentuangie#33489
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6998-what-are-your-experiences-with-bentuangie#33489

Walkingoximoron wrote: I'm not a fan of herbal RVA (their quality is too inconsistent, in my experience) but many, MANY people swear by their royal bent for pain relief, and I've yet to see any "bad batch" reviews for that particular strain
The only bent I've used is the white bent from Botanical Bunny, which I'll add to any fast strain that makes me edgy, because it tends to level it out. From what I've heard, vents are fermented, which gives a deeper effect than typical kratom. "More opioid like" is a common description.

I couldve swore I've seen this exact post on reddit lol.

But I've looked at those vendors and I don't think I could find the royal bent on their website. I think they were out of stock, as well as botanica bunny. I've also contacted other vendors who are offline until next year. I did get GREAT quality from laughing lion herbs though! Tried their red bent and it was great. They are a bit pricey though.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 19 Dec 2018 22:24:59 +0000Kratom Tree vs Palm Tree growing article - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7044-kratom-tree-vs-palm-tree-growing-article#33462
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7044-kratom-tree-vs-palm-tree-growing-article#33462
thehealingeast.com/kratom-trees-versus-palm-oil-plantations/
]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 17 Dec 2018 22:49:18 +0000new user how do you know if you could use kratom with existing meds your on - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7033-new-user-how-do-you-know-if-you-could-use-kratom-with-existing-meds-your-on#33447
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7033-new-user-how-do-you-know-if-you-could-use-kratom-with-existing-meds-your-on#33447
As we learn more about Kratom and how it affects body serotonin levels, there MAY be some potential for interaction with drugs that raise serotonin levels, however, many people report that they take Kratom quite safely with their SSRI medication.

Sadly there has been a lot of bad press for Kratom so people have a lot of fear when actually it is probably 100 times safer than any medication you are currently taking.

Grapefruit juice interferes with the body's chemical pathways for eliminating chemicals, so pharmacists recommend that it not be used when taking medications. It could result in absorbing a higher dose of medication than what the doc ordered.

It works the same way with Kratom meaning that you will likely absorb MORE of the alkaloids if you take it with grapefruit juice.

Personally I have not found this to be the case and I have had no noticeable difference in the effects of kratom when taken with any of the substances that are called "potentiators".]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 16 Dec 2018 00:23:42 +0000Recommendations for post oral surgery pain relief - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7000-recommendations-for-post-oral-surgery-pain-relief?start=30#33446
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/7000-recommendations-for-post-oral-surgery-pain-relief?start=30#33446

THANK YOU for sharing your journey as many kratom users will need to learn this for our own dental adventures!

I just figure we can all learn only if we all share!]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 16 Dec 2018 00:16:11 +0000Zelle payment question - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6986-zelle-payment-question#33351
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6986-zelle-payment-question#33351Kratom DiscussionWed, 12 Dec 2018 05:54:21 +0000UPDATED: What is going on with BuyKratomBulkUSA? Anyone know anything? - by: WunderKidhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6220-updated-what-is-going-on-with-buykratombulkusa-anyone-know-anything?start=10#33328
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6220-updated-what-is-going-on-with-buykratombulkusa-anyone-know-anything?start=10#33328
Anyways, I bought a kilo of Red Sumatra this third time. I found out it was cheaper to buy two half kilos instead of one kilo. Half kilo is 60$ but a whole kilo is 140$ ???Who knows how long until they fix that. I also found a 10% off coupon online so I ended up paying $108.00 with free shipping because my order was over a certain amount of money. The kratom is fresh and good. But yeah I don’t know if I’ll order again. It would have been nice if they sent me an email explaining what happened. Anyways, y’all have a good night.]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 11 Dec 2018 03:18:17 +0000Just purchased my first white - by: PhillyCheezehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6993-just-purchased-my-first-white#33297
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6993-just-purchased-my-first-white#33297
I just received some White Hulu Kapuas from Canopy yesterday and took a dose about 40 min. ago. For me, it actually does provide some anxiety relief. I even looked back in my notes and when I had it last in March and I felt the same effects.

The statement on our website is true of all naturally grown Kratom. The level of the 7-ohm And natural crowd him that has not been concentrated is in perceptibly present and only detectable by extremely precise expensive equipmen in natural Kratom that has not been concentrated is in perceptibly presents and only detectable by extremely sensitive tests.

The presence of the alkaloid in any higher amount that is naturally present represents an adulterated product that the Kratom support community has stated is not safe and wise they tell consumers to not purchase extracted Kratom.

A lot of people don’t realize this and I was under the mistaken belief that the 7-ohm alkaloid was the reason for the kratom being so good when in fact it’s not. Yes it’s present in all kratom but at such small levels that it doesn’t tend to show up in most tests unless they are super sensitive. Like hundredths of a percent. Test any kratom and as long as it’s not concentrated this will be true. (From my understanding anyway and if there is proof that I’m wrong I’m happy to hear it because I am Only basing this on what I’ve seen and read in my research)

So anyway, a long winded reply to explain that 1. I will refund your money or exchange it for something you will probably like better and 2. The reason why we write about the 7-ohm alkaloids

]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 09 Dec 2018 00:28:09 +0000Euphoria - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6979-euphoria#33245
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6979-euphoria#33245 Usually Almost any Green Strain is going to have some mood lift to it. Green Malay, Green MD, Green Vietnam, White Thai, Green Hulu are some good mood lifting strains in my opinion. There are plenty more out there. You will just have to try dozens of different strains & try to find the ones you like the most. You can also make mix many different strains together as well to get different effects until you have the effects you desire. I suggest you order a sample pack from an approved vendor.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 07 Dec 2018 11:05:30 +0000Is this the end of the line for Kratom? - by: Hancher8https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6900-is-this-the-end-of-the-line-for-kratom?start=10#33207
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6900-is-this-the-end-of-the-line-for-kratom?start=10#33207Kratom DiscussionThu, 06 Dec 2018 13:12:05 +0000does anyone take reds in the daytime? - by: Kvothehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6909-does-anyone-take-reds-in-the-daytime#33182
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6909-does-anyone-take-reds-in-the-daytime#33182
There is definitely a distinction between the energy of differing 'speeds'. What would be considered a 'fast' feels more similar to an adrenergic stimulation, whilst my 'slow' strains have an emphasis on the pain-killing side, but also give me energy to get things done because I feel so damn good.

I find that blending a slow and fast is optimal for me, however, for those who take doses right before bed, be careful. It may be affecting your sleep more than you think. Even the slowest of strains share the stimulating properties and the fastest also activate the opioid receptor to an extent, even if you can't comparatively feel it. Opioids and adrenergic stimulants are both known to affect sleep-quality.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 05 Dec 2018 22:00:28 +0000Discount code - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5517-discount-code?start=10#33158
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5517-discount-code?start=10#33158Kratom DiscussionTue, 04 Dec 2018 13:41:11 +0000Crushed leaf vs powder - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6934-crushed-leaf-vs-powder#33122
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6934-crushed-leaf-vs-powder#33122

Richie231186 wrote: What do you mean colon management? What issues do u get?

just like opioids Kratom causes constipation.

Use the search feature on this forum and search on "digestion issues" .

The onslaught of information and special deals can be a real head spinner during these challenging times!]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 23 Nov 2018 02:15:47 +0000Don't try this at home - by: Halo in Reversehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6919-don-t-try-this-at-home#32869
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6919-don-t-try-this-at-home#32869]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 22 Nov 2018 00:42:54 +0000i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6918-i-had-to-cut-my-friend-off-from-my-kratom-supply#32865
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6918-i-had-to-cut-my-friend-off-from-my-kratom-supply#32865

No good deed goes unpunished

With Kratom its safe. Ultimately your friend is responsible for himself.
Even if he now brought in another friend-

-I also found out that he has bought some but gave it to a friend to hold because he doesn't trust himself.

C.O.B wrote: Good Evening,
We are restocking and trying to stay afloat like everyone else.
We did get green Vietnam back in today.
God bless .
We are praying for a great ending to all of this .

Thankyou. I just purchased some and will purchase some more.

I know you've been affected by this nonsense as well- it's taking a while to get your package when it usually takes a couple of days. Is it a combination of the holidays and the blockage of the supply causing things to delay?]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 21 Nov 2018 22:57:17 +0000Kratom and Gabapentin - by: GOLDA55https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6914-kratom-and-gabapentin#32848
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6914-kratom-and-gabapentin#32848Kratom DiscussionWed, 21 Nov 2018 17:37:01 +0000Kratom Takes .... To Feel Full Effect - by: kevinjjjackhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6820-kratom-takes-to-feel-full-effect?start=10#32809
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6820-kratom-takes-to-feel-full-effect?start=10#32809Kratom DiscussionTue, 20 Nov 2018 18:44:59 +0000Kratom & the VA - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6906-kratom-the-va#32777
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6906-kratom-the-va#32777
My sympathies were mostly regarding the relationship with that particular dr and you nailed it about boundaries.

I had a stepson who has been able to do great things to help VA patients (he is a pharmacist). He still needs to work for chain pharmacies to pay the bills, tho. But the military provided him the education to do this work after he was injured while at home - not while serving.

You’re so right about the health workers on the front lines seeing patients. Amazing and very caring (from what I’m told by friends). That’s why I felt bad about that particular discussion you shared. I hope it hasn’t compromised future care for you or the relationship you have established. But, I missed the part where you said “therapist”, which hopefully has some sort of confidentiality ongoing.

Great read for any vet, Max! That part about “thank you for your service” would really annoy me. You’re a very patient - patient. This post is very articulately written and appreciated. Thank you for your-post, AND your service.]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 19 Nov 2018 18:39:36 +0000Kratom gets honorable mention in newsletter eblasted yesterday , 11/15/2018 - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6901-kratom-gets-honorable-mention-in-newsletter-eblasted-yesterday-11-15-2018#32708
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6901-kratom-gets-honorable-mention-in-newsletter-eblasted-yesterday-11-15-2018#32708
www.painnewsnetwork.org

Worth sharing with those who don't subscribe, verbatim from my inbox:

"The American Medical Association has passed resolutions urging insurers, pharmacists, federal regulators and states to stop the "inappropriate use" of the CDC opioid guideline. Although the guideline is voluntary, many of its recommendations are being regarded as mandatory.

The head of the AMA says the crackdown on prescription opioids has gone too far and is harming pain patients. Dr. Barbara McAneny says one of her own cancer patients tried to commit suicide after a pharmacist refused to fill his prescription for pain medication.

Guest columnist Liz Ott says her opioid medication was cut in half by a doctor who claimed he was required to lower her dose under prescribing guidelines. Liz wants to know why politicians are making healthcare decisions for doctors and their patients.

The FDA has approved a new opioid designed to quickly relieve pain in wounded soldiers and trauma victims. Because Dsuvia is so potent -- it's ten times stronger than fentanyl -- critics say its diversion is inevitable.

The FDA and DEA have warned for years that the herbal supplement kratom is risky and could lead to addiction or even death. But why is there no mention of kratom in the DEA's annual assessment of drug risks?

Researchers at the University of Colorado say an experimental gene therapy significantly reduced chronic pain in dogs after one injection. Human trials on the promising treatment are now underway.

PhillyCheeze wrote: My big epiphany was when i realized how normal Kratom can make me feel. Not high, not goofy, not drunk, not weird - NORMAL.

I do not take it for pain or to get off of pain killers or benzos. I take it to help with depression and anxiety.

Honestly, when I first put Kratom in my mouth I thought it was going to be another way to escape from my brain. What I ended up with is sooooooo much better. I know I've got people wondering about me now because I like NEVER drink anymore. "What's wrong with Philly?"

No, it's not what's wrong with Philly. It's what's RIGHT.

This is an amazing plant and it makes me sick to my stomach what the FDA is doing/trying to do. Dangerous? My foot.

Thanks for sharing, everyone.

When I first took kratom, I was looking to get high too. However, what I received was actually something that exceeded my expectations and I'm glad it worked out for me.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 16 Nov 2018 01:12:59 +0000Good Red for Bed - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6833-good-red-for-bed?start=10#32694
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6833-good-red-for-bed?start=10#32694Kratom DiscussionThu, 15 Nov 2018 23:53:39 +0000O.N.E (botanicals..?) Kratom - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6886-o-n-e-botanicals-kratom#32608
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6886-o-n-e-botanicals-kratom#32608
Their product was good, as I recall. First I took too few and nada. Then I gulped down 8 capsules and got the wobbles. So there is a midway point. Their staff are extremely helpful! I dealt eith Jeff Moreland and he had some novel ideas for marketing the leaf into the alternative health care markets. There are real opportunities to expand clientele if not for the constant FAKE NEWS on TV. Jeff is an ILK member. Nice guy.]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 12 Nov 2018 07:05:50 +0000Is kratom legal in são paulo, brazil and frança, brazil? - by: LilyRosemaryhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6881-is-kratom-legal-in-sao-paulo-brazil-and-franca-brazil#32598
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6881-is-kratom-legal-in-sao-paulo-brazil-and-franca-brazil#32598Kratom DiscussionSun, 11 Nov 2018 13:34:09 +0000UPDATE on my Indo, Malay, and Thai Kratom plants - by: Somethingsacredgoinonherehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6868-update-on-my-indo-malay-and-thai-kratom-plants#32571
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6868-update-on-my-indo-malay-and-thai-kratom-plants#32571
Good job , absolutely great

Thx for sharing]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 10 Nov 2018 04:37:55 +0000Kratom For Anxiety Info - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6877-kratom-for-anxiety-info#32556
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6877-kratom-for-anxiety-info#32556
Among its many uses, Kratom’s ability to function as an anxiolytic is perhaps considered the most significant, with hundreds of people associating their miraculous survival with the plant.

What Is Anxiety And Its Different Types?
AnxietyAnxiety is a general term used for a bunch of mental and emotional disorders. It is a highly prevailing condition, affecting about 40 million adults (18%) in the United States aged 18 and older.

The disease alters the normal functioning of the body and perturbs an individual’s ability to think clearly. Anxiety can be associated with a range of symptoms that can be either mental, behavioral, psychological or physical.

It is believed to cause feelings of undue stress, uneasiness, nervousness, fear, apprehension, and edginess. It is also responsible for conditions such as increased blood pressure, increased muscle tension, hyperventilation, sweating, shortness of breath, dizziness and heart palpitations.

While mild anxiety may be distressing, severe anxiety is much worse, and can seriously affect day-to-day living. Anxiety has been classified into six main categories.

Each type has its social implications and is caused by specific factors. Below is the list of the different types of Anxiety disorders;

Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)
Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
Phobia
Social anxiety disorder
Panic disorder
Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)
How Does Kratom Act As An Anxiolytic? Is It Helpful?
As previously stated, Kratom acts as a potent analgesic (pain-killer) and sedative. It helps relieve chronic pain, muscle ache, and severe headaches, thus proving to be a helpful sleeping aid and therefore, also as an anxiolytic.

Kratom also acts as a stimulant, providing a boost in energy and the motivation to perform specific physical tasks. It helps people suffering from Social anxiety disorder by strengthening their faith and making them more confident in themselves. It is considered very useful in enhancing sociability, vivacity and even self-trust.

Kratom also helps alleviate the symptoms of anxiety by mitigating stress and reducing depression. It is also believed to deliver a calm and relaxing state of mind to the user.

In addition to this, Kratom acts as a nootropic by improving cognitive function. It enhances brain activity, increases clarity and enhances focus. By doing so, the plant helps patients who are suffering from GAD and who are otherwise unable to perform daily affairs correctly.

What Are The Best Kratom Strains for Anxiety And Which Strains To Avoid?
Kratom StrainsThe best Kratom strains for anxiety are those that have higher sedative properties and weaker stimulating effects.

The most popular strain for anxiety treatment is the Red-Veined strain. This strain is more sedating and relaxing, making it better suited for managing insomnia or pain.

In addition to this, Borneo, Indo, Bali, and Green Malay Kratom also tend to be very efficient in curing anxiety. These Kratom strains have a typically high level of 7-hydroxymitragynine (anxiety & pain relief) compared to mitragynine (stimulation and some pain relief), leading them to work better against anxiety disorders.

The strains that are often avoided for anxiety treatment are the White Veined strains, Maeng Da, and Thai Kratom. This is because these varieties are more stimulating and energizing, and aren’t able to deliver sedating effects very efficiently.

What Is The Appropriate Dosage of Kratom for Anxiety Relief?
Generally a low to medium dose of about 4g is recommended for anxiety patients. A higher dose is only taken when an individual needs relief from symptoms of severe GAD.

It is also advised that patients take small gaps in between daily Kratom consumption, or by switching between Kratom and anxiolytic medicines.

This will prevent an individual from building tolerance and help them to stick to the same dose for a longer duration of time.

Stories of Actual Kratom Users Regarding Anxiety Treatment
People are always looking for alternatives to medicines that are believed to cause either many side-effects or are known to build tolerance. Anxiolytic drugs such as Benzos, Xanax, and Lorazepam, etc. are prescribed medications that can cause unpleasant after effects.

This is why many anxiety patients turn to natural substitutes such as Kratom for anxiety treatment. When these patients were questioned on Reddit, they commented that Kratom had proved very beneficial for them, alleviating almost all anxiety symptoms in many cases.

One Kratom user said that while he did take Benzos for preventing panic attacks, there was nothing in the world that compared to Kratom in making him feel calm and more social.

One user commented “It completely gets rid of my social anxiety. It turns me from a hermit into a social butterfly. For Generalized Anxiety, it helps you not to get caught up in your thoughts.”

Another user shared the same views, saying “Definitely helped me to get out of my head, and I can live in the moment and be content. The mood elevation makes me too happy to be anxious.” Users also stated that while some strains of Kratom work best for anxiety, others might make it worse, and it is important to research the strains thoroughly before buying Kratom.

While stating his experience, a user commented “It’s all about the strain for me. I’ve had strains that made me straight up nauseous and strains that made me feel incredibly relaxed and stress-free, and strains that gave me the perfect boost.”

People usually compared Kratom with prescribed drugs, commenting about how the drugs were sometimes not that effective in relieving the symptoms of anxiety. The also talked about the hazardous side effects of these drugs, and how they could destroy the normal functioning of the body in the long run.

A user commented “I discovered that Kratom is much better than Xanax at eliminating my anxiety, and not only that, it doesn’t make you slightly retarded as benzos do. It keeps you up and alerts while still making you calm.”

There were a lot of individuals who were of the view that Kratom works best in treating social anxiety. They believed that the plant gave them a perfectly balanced level of stimulation and sedation, which enabled them to carry out their daily duties as well as deal with pain.

One user expressed his thoughts by saying “I have severe social anxiety. I sweat through two undershirts, and it is near impossible for me to have anything but a bad time around people. Kratom changed me into an outgoing, interesting, talkative, and normal-seeming person.”

Another user commented “Kratom is amazing for social anxiety. It makes me a different person around people, way more confident. It also fixes a stuttering problem I have where I’m not confident in what I’m saying so I kind of fumble over my words with insecurity.”

Conclusion
While a person may need to perform some trial and error before coming up with the perfect strain of Kratom for anxiety relief, the effects are believed to be worth the struggle. Users have stated that the plant has done wonders for them and worked just like a medicine minus the side-effects.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 09 Nov 2018 19:19:51 +0000News Segment Kratom Video Link - by: PhillyCheezehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6842-news-segment-kratom-video-link#32520
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6842-news-segment-kratom-video-link#32520

madmaxnightrider wrote: That Addiction Specialist guy is not for Kratom because it would cut into his work helping out Addicts. He would have to find another Job. He said Withdrawal is not just taking a Pill. It is with Kratom. It is just that easy. I'm sorry but that's why Kratom is so Miraculous. If you're going to Ban Kratom then why not ban Caffeine as well. The Number 1 & 2 Addictive Substances are Legal to anyone over 21 in the US. How many people has Tobacco & Alcohol killed & they still don't ban it. They are never going to ban Alcohol & Tobacco because it make the Government too much money from Taxes. Even if they did people would just make their own Alcohol & grow their own Tobacco. Just some thoughts. Just shows that People don't matter to Governments just Money.

This is it, right here, folks. Spot-on. None of what you hear from the FDA about Kratom makes any sense at all. Anyone against Kratom either has a financial interest in making it illegal or is simply foolish enough to believe everything they see and hear through the media.

This might seem silly to say, but I honestly don't like the motto "Follow the science." I'd rather use "Follow the money" because that's where the truth lies. The problem is, in the world today, if you use THE TRUTH to back anything up, the opposition just sidetracks it.

It's sad that the American public is foolish enough to believe everything the FDA tells them.

The same way it's sad that the American public is foolish enough to not think professional sports could ever possibly be rigged. But that's an entire other thingy...... ]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 08 Nov 2018 21:30:42 +0000How does kratom withdrawal work? - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6679-how-does-kratom-withdrawal-work#32448
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6679-how-does-kratom-withdrawal-work#32448

No about 2 grams of extract a day and 7 grams of plain leaf, which before it was about 30 grams of plain leaf

Based on the extraction of 300 grams to 55 grams you have concentrated it almost 6 times.

Your 2 grams of extract is about 12 grams of leaf. However, in the extraction process you lose alkaloids so vendors have informed me that the extract will NOT be equivalent and will in fact be less potent than the equivalent amount of powdered leaf.

Good job on the reduction in the daily dose!]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 06 Nov 2018 06:45:22 +0000IMHO - Kratom Like Many Drugs is Best Not Taken Daily - by: krateringhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6818-imho-kratom-like-many-drugs-is-best-not-taken-daily#32432
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6818-imho-kratom-like-many-drugs-is-best-not-taken-daily#32432
I fully understand that everyone is not like me.
But some are, and might be helped by my experience/opinion.

.]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 05 Nov 2018 20:40:39 +0000Not Working - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6821-not-working#32431
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6821-not-working#32431
I only know cymbalta is ok with kratom because several friends are successfully using both.

I have seen a few reviews of Herbal Salvation most are good.
Yellow strains give me the most mood uplift. I am just sampling a few here and there. Does their Yellow Vietnam relieve pain as well?

I don't take Kratom for pain. More for Uplifting and Anxiety.

Light recreational use just 2x to 3x a week.

Took 7.5g of the Yellow Vietnam the other day and definitely was feeling no pain.]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 03 Nov 2018 07:45:24 +0000Friday Night - Just Capped 500 Capsules and noticed.... - by: krateringhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6816-friday-night-just-capped-500-capsules-and-noticed#32375
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6816-friday-night-just-capped-500-capsules-and-noticed#32375
each one holding around 82mg.

I capped most of my Herbal Salvation Stuff:
100 Caps of Plantation Maeng Da the real stuff that Costs a pretty penny and worth it
100 caps of Maha Kali Premium Stuff very expensive - But very good
100 Caps of Yellow Vein Vietnam Regular Price stuff but packs a punch. This one is just about as strong as the higher price premium stuff.-
50 Caps Of Gold Bali - I got them as Samples and Excellent-very uplifting.
100 Caps of Red Maeng Da - will try soon.
100 Caps mixed Premium Maeng Da + Plantation MD - Premium Maeng Da from Herbal-RVA

I've bought Kratom from other companies and the colors are usually the same, making me think maybe they take the same Kratom and just rename it.

Tonight I noticed that the Herbal Salvation Kratom types definitely had different colors. The Reds had a more brown color to them same with the gold Bali. I had some Herbal RV Gold Bali on hand and compared the colors and the Herbal RV color was just plain green whereas the Herbal Salvation had a brownish color. BTW the Herbal-RVA that I bought September of last year is very good stuff too.

This will be the last capping I do for awhile. But you really save a lot of money buying it bulk and doing the capping yourself. Although if you were paying yourself to do it it would probably not be such a savings.]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 03 Nov 2018 07:34:04 +0000dosing: reds vs greens vs whites - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6487-dosing-reds-vs-greens-vs-whites#32342
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6487-dosing-reds-vs-greens-vs-whites#32342
It’s best to keep trying them all as our bodies evolve, metabolism changes. Plus, plant growth and drying circumstances also change each year.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 02 Nov 2018 00:07:22 +0000Growing kratom - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6408-growing-kratom#32336
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6408-growing-kratom#32336Kratom DiscussionThu, 01 Nov 2018 19:39:52 +0000GA-MD Roadtrip With Kratom in Car - by: C.O.Bhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6583-ga-md-roadtrip-with-kratom-in-car#32296
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6583-ga-md-roadtrip-with-kratom-in-car#32296
Even talked to some people and gave out samples!
Just Be Smart
God Bless]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 30 Oct 2018 19:58:55 +0000Modernkratom.com - by: kratom88NYhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6574-modernkratom-com#32271
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6574-modernkratom-com#32271
If you go to "Forum Index" and scroll way down, you'll see an area called "Find a Vendor / Rate a Vendor". Click that. Then, in your subject line write "Review of Coastline and Urban Ice"]]>Kratom DiscussionMon, 29 Oct 2018 18:28:03 +0000How to make kratom last longer?? - by: madmaxnightriderhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6519-how-to-make-kratom-last-longer#32254
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6519-how-to-make-kratom-last-longer#32254Kratom DiscussionMon, 29 Oct 2018 12:07:35 +0000Easier way to make own capsules - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6512-easier-way-to-make-own-capsules#32230
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6512-easier-way-to-make-own-capsules#32230
I have two. One does 50 caps and the other does 100.

Yes it takes time, but like anything else you get better and better at it with more practice.

BTW...I do all my capsule making on a piece of wax or parchment paper (even newspaper would do). That captures all the spilled powder and you can just pour it back into the container when you are done.]]>Kratom DiscussionSun, 28 Oct 2018 01:38:16 +0000Best For Energy - by: kratom88NYhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6458-best-for-energy?start=10#32218
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6458-best-for-energy?start=10#32218Kratom DiscussionSat, 27 Oct 2018 17:02:25 +000024 hours w/o Kratom - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6505-24-hours-w-o-kratom#32217
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6505-24-hours-w-o-kratom#32217Kratom DiscussionSat, 27 Oct 2018 16:54:20 +0000New vendor I never used feeling nervouse - by: kratom88NYhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6483-new-vendor-i-never-used-feeling-nervouse#32213
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6483-new-vendor-i-never-used-feeling-nervouse#32213Kratom DiscussionSat, 27 Oct 2018 14:46:43 +0000Green Elephant Maeng Da Kratom - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6457-green-elephant-maeng-da-kratom#32206
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6457-green-elephant-maeng-da-kratom#32206
Generally those strains that work really well for pain will be less stimulating (more sedating) and strains that work well for energy, will be less effective for pain relief.]]>Kratom DiscussionSat, 27 Oct 2018 07:07:58 +0000Kratom Guide Helpful For Newbies & Oldies! - by: Plathianhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5686-kratom-guide-helpful-for-newbies-oldies?start=10#32193
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/5686-kratom-guide-helpful-for-newbies-oldies?start=10#32193Kratom DiscussionSat, 27 Oct 2018 02:33:53 +0000for those of you that purchase from christophersorganicbotanical...... - by: C.O.Bhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6234-for-those-of-you-that-purchase-from-christophersorganicbotanical?start=10#32182
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6234-for-those-of-you-that-purchase-from-christophersorganicbotanical?start=10#32182
I've actually left it opened by accident for a few months in the cabinet .
Still good.
So hard to find the perfect bag.
God bless and we promise to do our best.]]>Kratom DiscussionFri, 26 Oct 2018 13:48:04 +0000I didn't need my dose this morning - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6340-i-didn-t-need-my-dose-this-morning#32176
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6340-i-didn-t-need-my-dose-this-morning#32176
I say it out loud. Mom doubts that day will come. I like to believe in magic!]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 25 Oct 2018 21:49:24 +0000Order mixup? - by: kratom88NYhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6422-order-mixup#32160
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6422-order-mixup#32160 I'd just call to confirm that he meant to give that to you so that if it is an order mix up, the guy/gal who was supposed to recive it, gets notified.]]>Kratom DiscussionThu, 25 Oct 2018 11:38:17 +0000How long does Kratom Tea last? - by: bomalleyhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6352-how-long-does-kratom-tea-last#32148
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6352-how-long-does-kratom-tea-last#32148
BUT in the future freeze it so you do not have to wonder if it is safe.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 24 Oct 2018 23:19:59 +0000Withdrawing - by: Nan70https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6416-withdrawing#32145
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6416-withdrawing#32145
I have kept it this way pretty much for a year. But I do break from a dose(24 hours-48hours) if I find my pain levels are ok enough to apply other management techniques. I only noticed a runny nose.

Right now I am 8 hours after my last dose and its just my pain levels bothering me. With this much pain I should be dosing but it will throw my needed night dose off.
I have no desire to go to the Kratom just because, and I am at level 8 pain right now.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 24 Oct 2018 22:32:13 +0000Card number stolen - by: Thefrogshatemehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6421-card-number-stolen#32140
https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6421-card-number-stolen#32140
I use PayPal, Amazon, google play, and a purchase for a dollor that came out of a app called discord, plus all my kratom online purchases, if it's not from this forum i don't pay with depit.]]>Kratom DiscussionWed, 24 Oct 2018 18:59:45 +0000Switching from red strain to white and feeling withdrawal - by: Mindgame516https://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6326-switching-from-red-strain-to-white-and-feeling-withdrawal#32105
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Nan70 wrote: Kratom works on so many different areas there is no substitute. One forum there was question about percocets vs. Kratom. I have limited pain medicine use because they never helped my pain only maybe made me not care about it for a minute. The difference for me I cannot do anything on pain meds, but Kratom I can keep on my feet, get back to work and have quality back in my life. Its not just the pain relieving alkaloids I respond very well to the anti inflammatory benefits, mood lift and anxiety crushing are welcomed side effects.

I am glad Kratom is successful for you.

I just got your forum name....feeling a little stupid about myself lol,,,, I just got it.

are you kidding me? I feel like i'm the stupid one. I made this dumb forum name just to get a discount from a vendor and didn't expect to actually be posting and using it . well anyway, here i am.....

sounds like the opiates knocked you out and made you drowsy. did you also get the brain fog? I used to get highly energetic off of them....not anymore. I don't know what changed. Pharmaceutical meds also helped me with my anxiety previously, although I am sure I came off crazy rather than an approachable and welcoming guy . Kratom has me more even keeled:-bd]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 23 Oct 2018 04:50:55 +0000Advice please - by: Lauriehttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6383-advice-please#32092
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The question was really to determine if you’re looking for pain relief, or energy, or mood lift. ..etc., but you gave me a good giggle with your post! Ha!

3 weeks new is super important, so that was helpful.

I don’t name names either. Just a welcome and Nan70 chose ideal links for your convenience.]]>Kratom DiscussionTue, 23 Oct 2018 00:18:14 +0000Your favorite strains for depression? - by: CrayDumbhttps://www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-forum/kratom-discussion/6235-your-favorite-strains-for-depression?start=30#32072
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I see we have animal lovers in here. Kratom, depression, animal lovers....this can't be a coincidence?

I have yet to venture out to many vendors, but christophersorganicbotanicals is treating me right, so i'm going to continue buying from there. I just ordered a split kilo of: