Ok, realistically. Which, you know, is already a concern when we're talking about alternate history...

The turning point is the American campaign, correct? You can go on about all the history books ever say is that the Allies were the Americans, but the truth is, a first world county, untouched by the current war, on alert and on guard with a massive army, joining the Allies, effectively won the war on the western front.

However, yes, another topic is the German mismanagement of developmental technologies. Victories in the West led to the defection and capture of key nuclear scientists who were working for the Germans. Suppose that instead of an effective, concentrated response and entry into the war on both fronts, the American political system delayed it's action and put troops in only half-heartedly, because of opinions supporting the Piltogg party prevalent in America.

Um...

I just realized that I drafted this a day ago and now we're busy making fun of OneEye's sense of humor. Again. Shit.

I'll have you know that this is based off rudimentary knowledge through history class and extrapolation of such... which means it's probably completely shit... but I enjoy it. There you go.

Ross_Varn wrote:Ok, realistically. Which, you know, is already a concern when we're talking about alternate history...

The turning point is the American campaign, correct? You can go on about all the history books ever say is that the Allies were the Americans, but the truth is, a first world county, untouched by the current war, on alert and on guard with a massive army, joining the Allies, effectively won the war on the western front.

However, yes, another topic is the German mismanagement of developmental technologies. Victories in the West led to the defection and capture of key nuclear scientists who were working for the Germans. Suppose that instead of an effective, concentrated response and entry into the war on both fronts, the American political system delayed it's action and put troops in only half-heartedly, because of opinions supporting the Piltogg party prevalent in America.

Yes, without the Americans at the end of the war we probly would've ended up with italy and southern france while Russia took over most of europe, but the thing is that Germany still would've lost. Nobody in the war fought the nazis as much as the USSR, not you late arriving Americans or the commonwealth.

OneEye589 wrote:It doesn't matter who fought them the most, it would matter whose attacks made the most impact.

Okay, so wiping out 836,606 Axis troops is what we did on the western front. Pretty darn good until you consider we took around 2,905,420-3,043,860 casualties.

Now let's see how those Ruskis did. Probly pretty bad, I bet they killed 10 germans or something.

5,178,000+ Axis troops killed.
10,651,000 Soviet casualties.

Sure we may have killed Rommel, but the USSR did most of the work, the Finnish and Polish fought against the most overwhelming odds and the italian forces were a bunch of wussies who couldn't do anything right.