I think Fedex and hopefully Ups saw the light after Amazon pull the rug from under XPO and finally realised how ultimately Amazon treats thier customers at the end. Amazon's successful playbook always been learn your customers business and eventually undercut them or force them out.

I think Fedex and hopefully Ups saw the light after Amazon pull the rug from under XPO and finally realised how ultimately Amazon treats thier customers at the end. Amazon's successful playbook always been learn your customers business and eventually undercut them or force them out.

Well played... I hope we follow their lead and do the exact same thing. If Bezos wants to enter the freight/logistics free market with PrimeAir, he can start delivering ALL his packages, tomorrow.

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I doubt Bezos is to worried....he could use the change that fell out his pockets onto the floor of his car to buy ATSG and Atlas. That would give him 150 ish aircraft overnight and start flying his junk the day after oh let's say...tomorrow. Amazon already has regional hubs all over the US and is opening a larger sort in KILN at the end of June. They used to sort like 3M lbs a night there. That should give him a good start.

I doubt Bezos is to worried....he could use the change that fell out his pockets onto the floor of his car to buy ATSG and Atlas. That would give him 150 ish aircraft overnight and start flying his junk the day after oh let's say...tomorrow. Amazon already has regional hubs all over the US and is opening a larger sort in KILN at the end of June. They used to sort like 3M lbs a night there. That should give him a good start.

Looked around the ramp in SDF the other night (and Iím positive MEM is the same). Do you realize the aircraft are just the tip of whatís required to run a logistics network? Look at all the equipment, vehicles, equipment maintenance, staffing, buildings, catering and people that make these things work. Just buying up a bunch of companies and throwing them together on paper doesnít even start to describe the complexity.

Looked around the ramp in SDF the other night (and Iím positive MEM is the same). Do you realize the aircraft are just the tip of whatís required to run a logistics network? Look at all the equipment, vehicles, equipment maintenance, staffing, buildings, catering and people that make these things work. Just buying up a bunch of companies and throwing them together on paper doesnít even start to describe the complexity.

Yes I do....but in reality, Amazon just needs to move their boxes not everyone's. Just spitballing. If you look around....that's exactly what he is doing anyway. And its costing him less per package he sends so Bezos must think its worthwhile. And just using a bunch of companies on paper is exactly what DHL does all over the world. I am just saying what it looks like that idiot will do. The aircraft he has leased came with stock warrants ...will it work? Who cares...

I doubt Bezos is to worried....he could use the change that fell out his pockets onto the floor of his car to buy ATSG and Atlas. That would give him 150 ish aircraft overnight and start flying his junk the day after oh let's say...tomorrow. Amazon already has regional hubs all over the US and is opening a larger sort in KILN at the end of June. They used to sort like 3M lbs a night there. That should give him a good start.

Bezos is not going to buy ATSG or ATLAS. He made it very clear when looking where to put the new HQs that the decision came down to being able to hire the best talent in the country. ACMI pilots are the bottom of the barrel in the pilot industry. 95% of them are not hirable at the majors for all sorts of reasons. Amazon will continue to contract out flying as along as they can. If they start their own airline they will buy a certificate and hire their own pilots from the top tier of the industry, not a bunch of guys with DUIs on their records or teamsters that will cause more trouble than it is worth.

Bezos is not going to buy ATSG or ATLAS. He made it very clear when looking where to put the new HQs that the decision came down to being able to hire the best talent in the country. ACMI pilots are the bottom of the barrel in the pilot industry. 95% of them are not hirable at the majors for all sorts of reasons. Amazon will continue to contract out flying as along as they can. If they start their own airline they will buy a certificate and hire their own pilots from the top tier of the industry, not a bunch of guys with DUIs on their records or teamsters that will cause more trouble than it is worth.

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance. At my particular ACMI carrier, the number of pilots hired away by the majors in the past few years, far outstrips the "5%" you suggest are worthy. Collect your facts, then make a cogent argument; rather than launching baseless cheap shots against pilots you know nothing about.

Bezos is not going to buy ATSG or ATLAS. He made it very clear when looking where to put the new HQs that the decision came down to being able to hire the best talent in the country. ACMI pilots are the bottom of the barrel in the pilot industry. 95% of them are not hirable at the majors for all sorts of reasons. Amazon will continue to contract out flying as along as they can. If they start their own airline they will buy a certificate and hire their own pilots from the top tier of the industry, not a bunch of guys with DUIs on their records or teamsters that will cause more trouble than it is worth.

I agree with the conclusion, not with the logic. And at the end of the day it really doesn't matter. Amazon is a disruptive force in many different markets, and the pilot market will be just one more notch in Bezos's belt.