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Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help. Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral? I don't think so. Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help. Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral? I don't think so. Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

Careful now, Soon you will say Russia were the good guys and expecting payment is normal.

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help. Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral? I don't think so. Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

Careful now, Soon you will say Russia were the good guys and expecting payment is normal.

Ant, if the Ukraine gold reserves were collateral for loans from the US that would be a matter of public record. It'd also be very, very unusual. In addition the move would not be carried out as it was; without the Ukraine central bank knowing about it.

Collateral is not taken before a loan goes into default. The scenario that you suggest would mean that there was no loan, rather it'd represent a purchase of Ukraine gold and, again, there is no record of such a transaction.

Give thought a whirl. If you don't understand then ask questions.

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Ant, if the Ukraine gold reserves were collateral for loans from the US that would be a matter of public record. It'd also be very, very unusual. In addition the move would not be carried out as it was; without the Ukraine central bank knowing about it.

Collateral is not taken before a loan goes into default. The scenario that you suggest would mean that there was no loan, rather it'd represent a purchase of Ukraine gold and, again, there is no record of such a transaction.

Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.

Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.

Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.

Google translation says "Later, the editors called back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine in the United States was taken all the gold reserves of Ukraine ..."

Your theory that the US seized the gold and took it to the US rests on, according to a Google translation, that an anonymous senior official of a former Ukrainian ministry said one of the new anonymous leaders of Ukraine had order the gold taken to the US?

Markje, that's not evidence that's gossip. My theory is far more probable. Putin sends in a black ops team to seize the gold and take it to Russia while the Ukrainian government, military and police are occupied with other matters.

Where is any evidence the gold went to the US? Unmarked cars with unmarked occupants is no evidence. They could just as easily been Russians.

Considering the fact that at the time the Ukrainian government was filled with many people loyal to Moscow and that Moscow is a short flight away it is far more likely that Putin arranged the gold heist than Obama and company.

Google translation says "Later, the editors called back one of the senior officials of the former Ministry of income and fees, which reported that, according to him, tonight, on the orders of one of the "new leaders" of Ukraine in the United States was taken all the gold reserves of Ukraine ..."

Your theory that the US seized the gold and took it to the US rests on, according to a Google translation, that an anonymous senior official of a former Ukrainian ministry said one of the new anonymous leaders of Ukraine had order the gold taken to the US?

Markje, that's not evidence that's gossip. My theory is far more probable. Putin sends in a black ops team to seize the gold and take it to Russia while the Ukrainian government, military and police are occupied with other matters.

Which is why it was taken to the USA for safekeeping, if it was. And for collateral, no records needed.

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help. Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral? I don't think so. Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

You can't push your way into a strangers house uninvited, smash the place up then take their money for collateral because you've decided to sort out their domestic disagreements. The civilised world doesn't work that way Ant and the sooner uncle Sam understands that, the fewer people around the globe will suffer.

Old news, but I didn't know about it, perhaps it has been mentioned on this board before but I couldn't find it either.

Ukraine turned down the deal from Russia and wanted US help. Are we supposed to give it to them without any collateral? I don't think so. Chances are that Ukraine will never pay back the money which has been loaned to them anyways.

You can't push your way into a strangers house uninvited, smash the place up then take their money for collateral because you've decided to sort out their domestic disagreements. The civilised world doesn't work that way Ant and the sooner uncle Sam Russia understands that, the fewer people around the globe will suffer.