Friday, June 4, 2010

On Jun 5, 9:26 am, Avnish Jolly <avnishjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:> Orphanage or baby market?http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=adopted%20HIV%20positive%20chi...>> By: Kaumudi Gurjar Date: 2010-06-03 Place: Pune>> Infant tests HIV positive, dies a few months after adoption; woman> says she paid Rs 1 lakh to city orphanage for child>> Anita Arun Yadav adopted a newborn boy in March last year and named> him Ved. In November Ved died, a few days after Yadav learnt he was> HIV positive.>> Mumbai-based Yadav said before she got the child, she had to give Rs 1> lakh to the adoption centre, Gurukul Godavari Balakashram at Nagpur> Chawl in Yerawada. The organisation has its main branch in Mumbai.>> The orphanage president, Mathew Rayappa Yanmal (39), was arrested> yesterday and booked for cheating.>> Yanmal was given three days' police custody. The police said more> arrests were likely.>> No licence> Also, Gurukul Godavari Balakashram lacked the licence necessary under> the Juvenile Justice Act to run an adoption centre, said the police.>> "We will also charge Yanmal under the Juvenile Justice Act after> scanning the papers of the orphanage," said Senior PI Deepak Sawant.> "We are also checking whether the organisation has cheated any other> people in the past.">> Yadav said she had first approached the orphanage in 2008 and handed> over Rs 30,000 as a token amount for a baby. She said she then kept> reminding the orphanage to send her a two-week-old baby to her> residence in Goregaon, Mumbai.>> Fake birth cert> She got the child in 2009. She said no papers were shown to her at the> time, but later a fake birth certificate showing her as the child's> mother was sent to her. Yadav said when she raised questions over the> birth certificate, the people in charge gave her no answers.>> "Soon after Diwali in October, blood started oozing from the baby's> nostrils and mouth," she said. "The doctors suspected something was> seriously wrong and advised an HIV test. The baby tested positive and> was admitted to Lilavati hospital.">> Ved was kept on ventilator for 20 days before he died on November 28.>> "The orphanage had told me they had done all necessary medical tests> and the baby was healthy," said Yadav. "When I approached the> orphanage again and told Brother Yanmal that they had cheated me, he> claimed that the baby was born to a healthy mother and it was unlikely> that the boy was HIV positive.">> Yadav alleged that she was even told another baby would be arranged> for her and requested her to keep mum on the issue.>> Police complaint> Yadav followed up on the matter for five months, but nothing happened.> Finally, when Brother Yanmal stopped answering her calls, she decided> to lodge a complaint " six months after Ved died " with the Yerawada> police station.>> The Gurukul Godavari Balakashram currently has 50 destitute children.>> Child Welfare Committee (CWC) member Anita Vipat said, "This is a> serious matter and it clearly shows the ashram was run illegally. Pune> CWC will approach the orphanage at the earliest and take custody of> these children.">> Investigating officer ASI S D Udhane said Yanmal had been running the> orphanage a year-and-half.> (With inputs from Vivek Sabnis)

-- Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

A DAY after the president of a city orphanage was arrested after aMumbai couple alleged he hid the HIV positive status of the baby boythey adopted, members of the Child Welfare Committee (CWC) paid theorphanage in Yerawada a visit.

The team led by Anita Vipat was shocked to see 49 children without anadult to look after them when it reached Gurukul Godavari Balakashramyesterday morning. The CWC decided to shift the children elsewhere.A Mumbai-based woman Anita Yadav had lodged a complaint againstorphanage president Matthew Rayappa Yanmal (39) of taking Rs 1 lakhand giving her an HIV positive baby boy for adoption.

Adopted in March, the boy named Ved had died in November.

Yadav alleged that Yanmal hid the HIV status of the child.

Police officials also discovered that Yanmal did not even have alicence to run an orphanage, necessary under the Junvenile JusticeAct.

"On reaching the ashram, we found that there were 49 children but noone to look after them," said Vipat. "The children said they had acaretaker named Rajendra, who had stepped out to get something."

Of the 49 children, 31 were girls. Three of the children were mentallyhandicapped.

"Most of them come from single-parent families and about three or fourare orphans. Since there is no one to take care of them, the CWC hastaken them under its custody," said Vipat. "The girls will be sent toa home in Nana Peth, while the boys will be shifted to the ShivajiNagar home."

Police Inspector Deepak Sawant of the Yerawada police station saidthey were investigating if more children had been given for adoptionin the past by the arrested Yanmal.

-- Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

Infant tests HIV positive, dies a few months after adoption; womansays she paid Rs 1 lakh to city orphanage for child

Anita Arun Yadav adopted a newborn boy in March last year and namedhim Ved. In November Ved died, a few days after Yadav learnt he wasHIV positive.

Mumbai-based Yadav said before she got the child, she had to give Rs 1lakh to the adoption centre, Gurukul Godavari Balakashram at NagpurChawl in Yerawada. The organisation has its main branch in Mumbai.

The orphanage president, Mathew Rayappa Yanmal (39), was arrestedyesterday and booked for cheating.

Yanmal was given three days' police custody. The police said morearrests were likely.

No licenceAlso, Gurukul Godavari Balakashram lacked the licence necessary underthe Juvenile Justice Act to run an adoption centre, said the police.

"We will also charge Yanmal under the Juvenile Justice Act afterscanning the papers of the orphanage," said Senior PI Deepak Sawant."We are also checking whether the organisation has cheated any otherpeople in the past."

Yadav said she had first approached the orphanage in 2008 and handedover Rs 30,000 as a token amount for a baby. She said she then keptreminding the orphanage to send her a two-week-old baby to herresidence in Goregaon, Mumbai.

Fake birth certShe got the child in 2009. She said no papers were shown to her at thetime, but later a fake birth certificate showing her as the child'smother was sent to her. Yadav said when she raised questions over thebirth certificate, the people in charge gave her no answers.

"Soon after Diwali in October, blood started oozing from the baby'snostrils and mouth," she said. "The doctors suspected something wasseriously wrong and advised an HIV test. The baby tested positive andwas admitted to Lilavati hospital."

Ved was kept on ventilator for 20 days before he died on November 28.

"The orphanage had told me they had done all necessary medical testsand the baby was healthy," said Yadav. "When I approached theorphanage again and told Brother Yanmal that they had cheated me, heclaimed that the baby was born to a healthy mother and it was unlikelythat the boy was HIV positive."

Yadav alleged that she was even told another baby would be arrangedfor her and requested her to keep mum on the issue.

Police complaintYadav followed up on the matter for five months, but nothing happened.Finally, when Brother Yanmal stopped answering her calls, she decidedto lodge a complaint " six months after Ved died " with the Yerawadapolice station.

The Gurukul Godavari Balakashram currently has 50 destitute children.

Child Welfare Committee (CWC) member Anita Vipat said, "This is aserious matter and it clearly shows the ashram was run illegally. PuneCWC will approach the orphanage at the earliest and take custody ofthese children."

-- Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

The police have arrested a director of an orphanage in Pune forselling a baby for 1 lakh rupees to a couple in Mumbai.

Arun and Anita Yadav adopted a baby from the Pune orphanage but thebaby boy Ved died after six months as he was HIV positive.

Arun and Anita Yadav are left only with memories of their adopted sonwho had spent just a few months with them.

The couple filed a case against the Gurukul Godavari Orphanage in Punefor hiding his condition but what's emerged is a bigger racket. Thecouple admits they bought the child.

"We had gone to Sassoon in Pune. There we met a man who gave us thiscontact number. He said the expenditure will for a child will be 1lakh but give 30,000 now and the rest when the baby is given," saidAnita Yadav.

Mathew Yanmal the director of the Gurukul Godavari Orphanage is nowunder arrest.

"We have found that he had no permission to run the ashram, we arealso investigating whether he sold more children," said Deepak Sawant,policeman, Yerwada.

There are 50 more children in the orphanage, the other office bearershave gone into hiding. The challenge for the police is to investigatewhether this transaction is part of a larger child trafficking racket.

-- Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

On Jun 4, 12:58 am, Frederick the Great <los...@the.movies> wrote:> In article> <989be3c0-5056-450a-a92a-29e89f461...@42g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,>>>>>> DA74 <davidasto...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > On Jun 3, 2:24 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>> > wrote:> > > On 6/3/2010 3:51 PM, DA74 wrote:>> > > > It's a simple question.>> > > Indeed it is. And the answer is 'Suck it.'>> > > Fred Flintstein>> > > PS I guess no one will ever mistake me for Coggan.>> > First you'd have to produce that diminutive gob shriveled hanging> > flesh which is highly unlikely since you haven't actually laid eyes or> > hands on it since the Reagan years due to the copious amounts of> > retroperitoneal lard impeding your access.>> > But I'll agree. No one will ever mistake you for Coggan. There are> > several reasons for this with the first being that he can articulate> > his stance and defend it under scrutiny, whether right or wrong and> > secondly because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a soup-can> > telephone and write in the near equivalent of monosyllabic grunts,> > understandable to no one with the exception of the dwindling> > poplulation of fellow cave dwellers.>> > So, back to the question, What "shit" to enhance recovery do these> > "Belgian pros" pair up the simulants with?>> > Let me know,> > DA74>> You are a funny guy. Funny with your attitude toward> racers, and funny with your attitude toward anyone. And> funny when you run into a buzz saw, but keep charging> until, as a cartoon character does, both sides of you> flop over, perfectly bisected.>> --> Old Fritz- Hide quoted text ->> - Show quoted text -

What do you mean? The way I talk? What? Funny how? What's funny aboutit? You mean, let me understand this because maybe it's me, I amlittle fucked up maybe but I'm funny how?

I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm hereto fucking amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am Ifunny? You said I'm funny, how the fuck am I funny, what the fuck isso funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny about me!

"Cicero Venatio" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Br6dndlICPrbcJXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...> The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race > isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed. New satellite > technology will be used to track the participants.

Tactically, this will be a tremendous advantage. Knowing where you're competitor *is* vs *might be* could make all the difference. The old satellite technology was only good for resolving position within maybe 10 feet or so. That made it so very difficult to plan your attack when the guy is maybe one or two states ahead of you.

On 6/4/2010 7:39 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:> "Cicero Venatio" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:Br6dndlICPrbcJXRnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...>> The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race>> isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed. New satellite>> technology will be used to track the participants.>> Tactically, this will be a tremendous advantage. Knowing where you're> competitor *is* vs *might be* could make all the difference. The old> satellite technology was only good for resolving position within maybe> 10 feet or so. That made it so very difficult to plan your attack when> the guy is maybe one or two states ahead of you.>> --Mike Jacoubowsky> Chain Reaction Bicycles> www.ChainReaction.com> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USAThanks. :-)

== 3 of 3 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 6:22 pm From: "z, fred"

Mark J. wrote:> Betty Munro wrote:>> Cicero Venatio wrote:>>>>> The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race>>>>> isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed.>>>> Fred on a stick wrote:>>>> Predator drones could work.>>>> Brad Anders wrote:>>> Ideal, in fact, because their facial ID systems are tuned to pick out>>> guys with beards.>>>> And they could be reprogrammed to take them out after they id them. >> Come to think of it their could be triathlon applications too.> > Yow! I just got some nice Challenge tires, but they have "TRIATHLON" on > the sidewall in large letters. Now I have to watch the skies until I > find the Magic Marker to black out the label.> > Mark J.

On 3 June, 13:09, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:> On 27 May, 14:29, Sergio Moretti <morettiath...@comcast.net> wrote:>>>> > On May 27, 6:33 am, Lou Holtman <l...@planet.nl> wrote:>> > > On 27 mei, 13:04, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:>> > > > Other than using a stiff naibrush and detergent on a new tyre to> > > > remove most of the mould release, how do you prepare a race tyre for> > > > the road or track preferably of minimal effort and maximum gain which> > > > does not significantly risk damaging the treated tyre tread? I'm> > > > thinking of acetone, hypochlorite or petroleum product along with a> > > > powered scrubbing disc or using a scraper.>> > > Ride them for a couple of km. The mould release on the Michelin pro2> > > race tires is very visible and it's completely gone after a couple of> > > km. Tarmac is excellent sandpaper.>> > > Lou>> > Saw a photo of race mechanic using a razor blade perpendicular to> > tread surface, apparently to scrape Michelins clean.> > Lou's suggestion is more practical.>> > - Sergio Moretti>> Hand gel sanitizer seems to have sufficient cleansing power without> deteriorating the rubber. The tyres requiring cleansing are> Challenge Criteriums which are currently in the process of being glued-> up. Spot tests indicate that spreading on the hand gel and leaving it> for thirty seconds, before scraping off while wet removes unwanted> oils on smooth rubber, Criterium's tread is patterned and needs a> brush as well. I dont see any way around using a brush as washing in> soapy water also requires it.

Got the tyres squeaky under my fingertips using the alcohol hand geland a nailbrush. Anyway, they're on the bike and I'm hoping it rainstomorrow.

Went up about half an hour after my post. They must be reading rbr. Curious there was no info on Johan Bruyneel's or Team Radio Shacks websites. This is the Dauphine after all... not the Tour of Luxemborg. Geez.

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:>"Victor Kan" <victor.kan@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:7e4f5dff-31b7-485b-b258-500ea039d33f@w31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...>>> So who's the team leader?>>>>Cyclingnews says "The team will be captained by Horner, Went up >>about halfan hour after my post. They must be reading rbr.

>Curious there was no info on Johan Bruyneel's or Team Radio Shacks >websites.This is the Dauphine after all... not the Tour of>Luxemborg. Geez.

The Dauphine sucks it, bro. TLux is the new prep race.It avoids that whole unfriendly place where they eatsnails and rotted cheese.

Wait, didn't you say you and Horner were bros last weekin a post? Couldn't you just email him?

On 6/4/2010 7:04 PM, --D-y wrote:> On Jun 4, 2:46 pm, "B. Lafferty"<b...@nowhere.com> wrote:>> On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps>>> him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the>>> book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual>>> tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best>>> bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months>>> from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!>>>>> Brad Anders>>>> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>>>> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.>> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went>> on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a>> reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his>> eponymous line of bikes.'>> Once again, not really giving a shit about the riders, because> compared to him, GREG LEMOND, they don't count.> Maybe he should take credit for his jealousy (envy, hatred), big mouth> and overwhelming sense of entitlement ("my VO2 was the highest,> therefore...) having at least a little something to do with his> downfall at Trek. IOW, he could have been slightly more politic IRT> his public utterances. But, there's that entitlement thing again. Like> he says (or implies, if you must) in his book, it's because of "who he> is" (i.e., born with the most lordly VO2).>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she>> now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek>> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program>> if one existed?>>>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>>>> Kristin>> Frankie and wife>> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas>> Emma>> The Dutch soigneur>> SCA investigators>> Former Postal staff residing in the US>> Chris Carmichael>> Floyd>> Johan B.>> George H.>> Lance>> Brian, it occurs to me that you could help this all along if there is> some kind of parallel to the amicus curiae that would apply to federal> investigations where you would be insulated, so to speak, from any> accusation of interfering with said investigation, while offering this> MO to the investigators. Maybe you could even get your picture> taken...?

No thanks.

>>> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a>> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and>> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.>> This reminds me of the old cartoons where the wolf is sitting at the> table with his napkin tied around his neck, whetting his knife on his> fork, slavering at the thought of fresh-roasted meat delivered to his> plate. Forgetting all the times in the past the little piggies have> outsmarted him, of course<g>.

>> Hey, maybe they can get someone besides Floyd to tell how the other> guys-- the ones who didn't and don't get popped, that is-- do their> preparations. "Getting drunk and forgetting to take the testosterone> patch off my nutsack in time" would seem to be of limited value.> --D-y

Who was it that said that?

== 2 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:01 pm From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...> On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:>> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps>> him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the>> book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual>> tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best>> bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months>> from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!>>>> Brad Anders> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went > on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a > reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his > eponymous line of bikes.'

You're saying it's interesting because Greg has no basis whatsoever for saying that Trek tried to "take my brand away from me" I assume. I agree. It certainly casts Greg in a bad light.

> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future. Will > Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she now > claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek executives > really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program if one > existed?>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>> Kristin> Frankie and wife> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas> Emma> The Dutch soigneur> SCA investigators> Former Postal staff residing in the US> Chris Carmichael> Floyd> Johan B.> George H.> Lance

No need to talk to any of the ex-posties who were subsequently busted on other teams?

> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a > criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and Johan? > Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.

Ah, that's why you're restricting it to US-based folk only. Got it. But unsure of the significance of Lance being "the last person quesitoned." Is that something ominous in the legal world?

On 6/4/2010 7:10 PM, i, fred wrote:> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>> On 6/4/2010 4:56 PM, i, fred wrote:>>> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>>>>> If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White>> and Zabriskie.>>> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.>>>>>> Thanks,>>> iFred>> Good point.>>> ..or better yet, go see if Tyler wants to come clean.> He may do himself a world of good by putting that silly> charade of a defense to rest.>> But this is probably a bad idea because I bet he sees> the fallout for Floyd and wants no part of that mess...>> I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler> at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have> something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:>> http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/hamilton-landis-welcome-at-rock-racing.html>> Thanks,> iFredYou are definitely ahead of the curve.

== 4 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:05 pm From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"

"i, fred" <n0spam@n0spam.c0m> wrote in message news:4c0987d9$1@x-privat.org...>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>On 6/4/2010 4:56 PM, i, fred wrote:>>> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>>>>> If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White>>and Zabriskie.>>> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.>>>>>> Thanks,>>> iFred>>Good point.>>> ..or better yet, go see if Tyler wants to come clean.> He may do himself a world of good by putting that silly> charade of a defense to rest.>> But this is probably a bad idea because I bet he sees> the fallout for Floyd and wants no part of that mess...>> I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler> at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have> something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:>> http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/hamilton-landis-welcome-at-rock-racing.html>> Thanks,> iFred

I agree; Floyd has handled things in such a bad way that nobody's going to want to step into the mess he's made. His credibility is so highly suspect that it will taint anyone else who doesn't have something rock-solid to back up their claims. In the he-said she-said game, whether the score is 37-83 or 56-31 is meaningless. The only thing that will count is a KO.

B. Lafferty wrote:> On 6/4/2010 5:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message>> news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>>>> What business is it of the Feds?>>>>> Misuse of US government monies--Postal sponsorship and possible > mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.

Fockstick,

One of my instructors from college that I remember was the guythat taught Business Law. He was an interesting guy. Peoplethat were pondering the legal profession would ask him foradvice. Once someone, not the best student, expressed doubtabout getting accepted into law school. My instructor chuckledand told him that there was a law school for every GPA.

Fred Flintstein <bob.schwartz@sbcREMOVEglobal.net> wrote:>B. Lafferty wrote:>> On 6/4/2010 5:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:>>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>> news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>>> What business is it of the Feds?>> Misuse of US government monies--Postal sponsorship and possible>> mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.>>>>Fockstick,>>One of my instructors from college that I remember was the guy>that taught Business Law. He was an interesting guy. People>that were pondering the legal profession would ask him for>advice. Once someone, not the best student, expressed doubt>about getting accepted into law school. My instructor chuckled>and told him that there was a law school for every GPA.>>When I read your stuff for some reason that comes to mind.>>Fred Flintstein

God damn you come across as such a miserable old fuck. Maybe your dispositionwould improve if actually got on your bike and took a good ride.

On Jun 4, 5:16 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>wrote:> B. Lafferty wrote:> > On 6/4/2010 5:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:> >> "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote in message> >>news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>> >>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>> >> What business is it of the Feds?>> > Misuse of US government monies--Postal sponsorship and possible> > mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.>> Fockstick,>> One of my instructors from college that I remember was the guy> that taught Business Law. He was an interesting guy. People> that were pondering the legal profession would ask him for> advice. Once someone, not the best student, expressed doubt> about getting accepted into law school. My instructor chuckled> and told him that there was a law school for every GPA.>> When I read your stuff for some reason that comes to mind.

heh heh heh.

== 8 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:56 pm From: "B. Lafferty"

On 6/4/2010 8:05 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:> "i, fred" <n0spam@n0spam.c0m> wrote in message> news:4c0987d9$1@x-privat.org...>>>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>> On 6/4/2010 4:56 PM, i, fred wrote:>>>> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>>>>>>> If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White>>> and Zabriskie.>>>> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>> iFred>>> Good point.>>>>>> ..or better yet, go see if Tyler wants to come clean.>> He may do himself a world of good by putting that silly>> charade of a defense to rest.>>>> But this is probably a bad idea because I bet he sees>> the fallout for Floyd and wants no part of that mess...>>>> I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tyler>> at all during his email outbursts. I think it may have>> something to do with the fact that they are tight bros:>>>> http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/hamilton-landis-welcome-at-rock-racing.html>>>>>> Thanks,>> iFred>> I agree; Floyd has handled things in such a bad way that nobody's going> to want to step into the mess he's made. His credibility is so highly> suspect that it will taint anyone else who doesn't have something> rock-solid to back up their claims. In the he-said she-said game,> whether the score is 37-83 or 56-31 is meaningless. The only thing that> will count is a KO.>> --Mike Jacoubowsky> Chain Reaction Bicycles> www.ChainReaction.com> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USAFloyd has said he has no proof other than his word. But, he then said that he has a detailed, contemporaneous diary that he kept. Floyd has lied before, maybe he's lying when he says he has nothing to back up his allegations.

As to he-said she-said. This is several former associates, including people with no real axe to grind, who are saying they-said to Lance's I-say.

== 9 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 5:57 pm From: "B. Lafferty"

On 6/4/2010 8:16 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:> B. Lafferty wrote:>> On 6/4/2010 5:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:>>> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message>>> news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>>>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>>>>>> What business is it of the Feds?>>>>>>>> Misuse of US government monies--Postal sponsorship and possible>> mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.>> Fockstick,>> One of my instructors from college that I remember was the guy> that taught Business Law. He was an interesting guy. People> that were pondering the legal profession would ask him for> advice. Once someone, not the best student, expressed doubt> about getting accepted into law school. My instructor chuckled> and told him that there was a law school for every GPA.>> When I read your stuff for some reason that comes to mind.>> Fred FlintsteinGive Wilma a big, wet one for me, Fred. :-)

== 10 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 6:20 pm From: "z, fred"

Anton Berlin wrote:>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,> >> Former Postal staff residing in the US> > > If they subpoena my mailman I'd like to ask why it took 8 fucking days> for a letter to get from Dallas to LA.> > It's a god damn outrage !!!!!

Did you write him a letter asking him what he thinks of your fat girlfriend?

== 11 of 12 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 6:55 pm From: "K. Fred Gauss"

i, fred wrote:> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:> >> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>> LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.>> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that>> went on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me,">> a reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over>> his eponymous line of bikes.'>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that>> she now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek>> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping >program> if one existed?>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>>>> Kristin>> Frankie and wife>> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas>> Emma>> The Dutch soigneur>> SCA investigators>> Former Postal staff residing in the US>> Chris Carmichael>> Floyd>> Johan B.>> George H.>> Lance>>>> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is>> a criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and>> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.> > I think this list is interesting but I think another avenue is the Garmin/Slipstream> team. They issued a press release the other day basically stating that the> past is the past and that all staff/riders involved with the team will continue> to have a job as long as the tell the whole truth to investigators. That is> a powerful statement.> > If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White and Zabriskie.> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.

I expect charges to be filed eventually because it's difficult to believe that they wont be able to come up with half a dozen witnesses who can corroborate at least a little of Landis' account. People have in the past. I'm more curious about whether they'll be able to find a "smoking gun". I'm doubtful that someone has a picture of Lance with a needle hanging out of his arm, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were lab reports from blood tests done to see how he responded to a new regimen. If something like that pops up, the gig is up.

According to the Daily News Floyd is in daily contact with the federal investigators,sometimes several times in a day according to their source.

It appears that Novitzky who works for the FDA is working in cooperation withUSADA. They report that he has opened a file on Lance Armstrong.

Further they indicate that:"Whatever credibility Landis brings to the case is ultimately unimportant iffederal agents begin collecting sworn witness statements and other evidencethat corroborates the claims he made."

They also spoke with Frankie Andreu who was sympathetic to Floyd's plight butseemed to get a bit boilerplate.

4 June 2010 – Boosting maternal health and developing ways to overcomeand respond to diseases such as HIV/AIDS will be the focus ofSecretary-General Ban Ki-moon's upcoming visit to Washington and fiveAfrican countries starting on Monday.

In Washington, Mr. Ban will open the Women Deliver 2010 conference,which is the largest-ever gathering on maternal health, drawing 3,500participants from 140 countries, according to organizers.

The three-day event, starting on Monday, will focus on the theme,"Delivering solutions for girls and women," underscoring the need formaternal and reproductive health to be a top priority.

Participants are expected to discuss how the Millennium DevelopmentGoals (MDGs) – eight anti-poverty and other socio-economic targetswith a 2015 deadline – will not be reached without investment inwomen. They are also set to confer on how the world can achieve theMDG on improving maternal health if governments and donors commit thenecessary funding now.

While in the United States capital, Mr. Ban will speak at the GlobalBusiness Coalition on HIV/AIDS, TB and Malaria. He is also scheduledto meet with Senator John Kerry and hold talks with the NationalAssociation for Evangelicals.

Later on Monday, the Secretary-General will make the second of histhree scheduled visits to Africa in the course of a month, travellingfirst to South Africa to discuss the MDGs and attend the start of theWorld Cup soccer tournament.

He will also visit Burundi, Cameroon, Benin and Sierra Leone, beforereturning to New York on 16 June.

Last weekend Mr. Ban visited Malawi and Uganda, where he addressed thefirst-ever review conference of the International Criminal Court(ICC).

For the court to have the reach it needs, it must have universalsupport, he said. "Only then will perpetrators have no place to hide."

So far 111 countries have become parties to the Rome Statute thatestablished the ICC, while 37 others have signed but not yet ratifiedit. But some of the world's largest and most powerful countries,including China, India, Russia and the United States, have not joined.

The Secretary-General's third visit to Africa will be to Gabon,Nigeria and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), where a UNpeacekeeping mission – known as MONUC – has been in operation for 11years.

Last week, the Security Council agreed to transform the operation intoa stabilization mission in the coming weeks, authorizing thewithdrawal of up to 2,000 UN military personnel by 30 June from areaswhere security has improved enough to allow their removal.

-- Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

Security Council

German President's Resignation is Telling (June 3, 2010) German President Horst Köhler resigned this week after coming under heavy criticism for suggesting that Germany maintains a military presence in Afghanistan to protect its economic interests. This Wall Street Journal opinion piece asserts that unlike other German politicians, Köhler offered an honest assessment of the motives driving Germany's Afghan mission. The author asserts that Germany needs to confront its shame over its past and claim its role as a "big-boy nation." While this article supports the spirit of Köhler's remarks, it highlights the need to examine NATO's involvement in Afghanistan from a critical perspective. (The Wall Street Journal)

Security Council, Short of Resolution, Condemns Israel (June 1, 2010) The Security Council has released a presidential statement concerning the Israel-Palestine flotilla crisis. The presidential statement condemns the acts that killed activists delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza, requests Israel to release detained activists, asks for diplomatic transparency, and notes Ban Ki-Moon's recommendation for an investigation. The strongest criticism of Israel came from Turkey, which accused Israel of "banditry and piracy", and four of the five permanent members unambiguously condemned Israel's action. However, the Council was unable to pass a binding resolution on the matter due to the US unwillingness support a resolution that would criticize Israel. (Inter Press Service)

Israeli lawyers: Raid violates int'l law (May 31, 2010) A group of lawyers petitioned the Israeli High Court, charging that Israel had violated the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea by capturing ships in international waters. The petitioners charge that Israel engaged in acts of piracy. The State will have to provide a legal justification to the High Court of Justice on Tuesday morning for its takeover by force of eight ships which were on their way to deliver humanitarian goods to Gaza Strip. (Jerusalem Post)

UN Security Council Seeks an Eminent Individual for an Impossible Job (April 16, 2010) In December 2009, the Security Council passed Resolution 1904; creating an Ombudsperson's Office to be staffed by an eminent person. The main task of the Ombudsperson is to carry out independent and impartial investigations into delisting requests by persons placed on the Security Council sanctions list. In this article, Joanne Mariner praises the effort by the Security Council to improve the fairness of the listing and delisting processes. However, according to the author the reform still falls short of what is necessary. (FindLaw)

Social and Economic Policy

Corporate Greenwash at EU Environment Meeting? (June 3, 2010) At the "Green Week" annual European Union conference, Coca-Cola was a sponsor presenting itself as a champion of environmental protection a. Coca-Cola, however, causes serious damage to water supplies and soil as a result of its bottling operations in India. This raises questions about the ability of polluting companies to influence the environmental debate in Europe. (IPS)

CAMBODIA: Donors pledge $1 billion but criticise corruption(June 2, 2010) Donors have pledged the largest aid package ($1.1 billion) to Cambodia, but scold the country for failing to implement accountability reforms. While activists decry Cambodia's past mismanagement of aid and lack of transparency of public funds, the Cambodian Centre for Human Rights puts the onus for tracking aid directly on the donor. Cambodia has passed an anti-corruption law in March 2010, after 15 years in which the bill sat in the lower house. But foreign oil companies continue to line up at the government's door with bribes in exchange for exploration rights. (IRIN)

UN Urges Global Move to Meat and Dairy-free Diet (June 2, 2010) Increases in economic growth have led to a rise in the consumption of agricultural goods. Rising consumption leads to an increase in the amount of the world's resources dedicated to the production of meat and dairy. A UN report says that with the world's rising population the current pattern of meat and dairy consumption is unsustainable and will have a greater negative impact on the environment than fossil fuels. According to the report, a global shift towards a more vegan diet is necessary. (Guardian)

Suicide Exposes Stresses of China Factory Life (May 25, 2010) Foxconn is one of China's leading producers for international technology firms such as Apple, Hewlett-Packard and Dell. In 3the past six months, nine of the production giant's employees have committed suicide. Foxconn representatives blame the suicides on personal issues but the unfortunate deaths raise questions about labor practices in China. The pattern of worker suicide is not unique to Foxconn but is emerging as a trend across factories in China. (Globe and Mail)

Haitian Earthquake Survivors Struggle for Social and Economic Rights (May 23, 2010) Haiti is being governed by the Interim Committee for the Reconstruction of Haiti. Of the committee's twenty-five members, thirteen are foreigners. Grass roots civil society groups in Haiti are coming together to incorporate more Haitian people in the decision-making process of rebuilding the country. In keeping with their national constitution and the UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, these groups are demanding that their government provide them with basic necessities. (Truthout)

How to Spend Environmental Funds (March 24, 2010) The Global Environment Facility is the economic instrument of the UN environment conventions. But is a multilateral financial institution for the environment necessary? Does financing for the environment work? Many applaud the billions of dollars allocated for promoting sustainable technologies and new production models. However, Zoe Young, author and critic of a global climate fund, insists on good standards for all investments and responsible allocation of all public money. (TierrAmerica)

International Justice

Uganda: ICC to Investigate Allegations of Army Atrocities (June 3, 2010) The Chief Prosecutor of the ICC, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, has stated that the Court is assessing information accusing the Ugandan military of war crimes and atrocities committed in the 20-year civil war in the north of the county. The ICC has only issued arrest warrant against the leader of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), Joseph Kony, and four of his commanders. The lack of arrest warrants against the Ugandan armed forces raise many concerns about the Court's impartiality. Ocampo reiterates, however, that the gravest crimes were committed by the LRA. (IRIN)

Habré Trial Would Be a Blow to Impunity (June 2, 2010) The former Chadian leader, Hisséne Habré, was indicted in 2000 by a Senegalese court on charges of crimes against humanity during his eight years in power. Habré has yet not been tried and still lives in Senegal. Civil society representatives and people who survived Chadian prisons have reiterated a call for Senegal to prosecute him. The Senegalese government argues that the lack of funds has prevented the trial from proceeding. (IRIN)

UN Reform

France Backs Africa for UN Seat (May 31, 2010) Speaking at the 25th Africa-France Summit in Nice, French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared that it was "not normal" that Africa has no permanent seat on the UN Security Council. He expressed France's support for greater African representation in global governance bodies such as the Security Council, the G20 and the World Bank Executive Board. However, at a summit focusing largely on economic ties between the two regions, Sarkozy's gesture was clearly a diplomatic effort to woo African leaders and gain leverage with business interests. With Chinese and Indian investment flooding the African continent, old powers like France are struggling to maintain their economic influence and market access. (Al Jazeera)

Iraq

Iraqi Christians: Better Off Than Other Iraqi Refugees? (June 2, 2010) The humanitarian plight of the Christian minority in Iraq has received overwhelming media attention, partly because this group has suffered a disproportionate amount of violence throughout the course of the war. Iraqi Christians are also overrepresented in the refugee population of Iraq. However, due to a large Arab-Christian diaspora worldwide, they have had relatively fewer problems resettling overseas. Furthermore, Christian faith-based organizations are especially active in advocating for registry with the UNHCR and in helping Christian refugees navigate the resettlement process. This means that fewer Iraqi Christians are looking to be repatriated and their numbers within Iraq are steadily dwindling. While there were 1.4 million Christians in Iraq in 2003, only 500,000 remain today. (Christian Science Monitor)

Empire?

Japanese PM Yukio Hatoyama resigns amid Okinawa row (June 2, 2010) Japan's prime minister stepped down just eight months after he had swept to power. Yukio Hatoyama's brief term was tainted by a scandal over election contributions, most important, though, was a neglected campaign pledge. Hatoyama had promised to remove an unpopular but strategically important U.S. military base from the southern island of Okinawa. By bowing to US pressure and allowing the base to continue on the island the premier lost his credibility with voters and had to step down in disgrace. (BBC)

Afghan Police Earn Poor Grade for Marja Mission (June 1, 2010) A contingent of specialized Afghan police officers, described as the Interior Ministry's "most promising force" by US officials, has been tainted by reports of "drug use, petty corruption and a lack of commitment to the duties of uniformed life." US Marines report incidents of checkpoints being abandoned and officers not being trained properly in the rules of engagement. This early assessment of such a high profile unit raises questions about whether Afghan police forces can operate effectively and whether the US disengagement plan will eventually be followed. (New York Times)

US Drone Strikes Draw International Scrutiny (May 31, 2010) The CIA uses unmanned drones to carry out targeted killings in Afghanistan and Pakistan raising serious questions of legality. Philip Alston, the UN Special Rapportuer on Extrajudicial, Summary or Arbitrary Executions will deliver a report on June 3 to the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva which argues that drone use should be restricted to the US military. The report says that the "life and death" power of drones should be entrusted to regular armed forces and not intelligence agencies like the CIA which have much less transparent oversight. It is unlikely that the Obama Administration will alter its policy, as drone attacks have become an increasingly important tactic in US "counter terrorism operations" in Pakistan and Afghanistan. (IPS)

Occupied, D.C. (May 28, 2010) The US capital's subway stops, particularly those serving the Pentagon and other government offices, are flooded with advertisements for some of the most expensive and lethal military equipment ever produced. These ads, sponsored by defense contractors, are clearly aimed at US military decision-makers. However, they also promote fear-mongering among the public and help propagate the notion of a "need" for military prowess in an unstable world. They are also a manifestation of militarization in the US and the public acceptance of the state of war as a norm in the wake of 9/11. (In These Times)

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> On Jun 4, 5:10 am, Cicero Venatio <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race> > isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed. New satellite> > technology will be used to track the participants.> > Oooh, tell us, please, tell us. FRAAM is so high-tech.

It is, but that is not the best part. This yearPhil and Paul will be doing start to finish live coverage. It's going to be Awesome. I willbe there for it all. Cannot wait.

"Oh no. The Argent, four bars wavy azure on a chief gules, three pair of barnacles flippy flag is in the ditch.That's Smith. His team is dragging him out and duck taping his head to a strut on the bars. He's off.Well, Paul, that certainly was a fast repair."

-- Old Fritz

== 2 of 5 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 12:10 pm From: Brad Anders

On Jun 4, 7:42 am, "Fred on a stick"<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:> Cicero Venatio wrote:> > The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race> > isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed.>> Predator drones could work.

Ideal, in fact, because their facial ID systems are tuned to pick outguys with beards.

Brad Anders

== 3 of 5 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 1:47 pm From: Betty Munro

Frederick the Great wrote:> It is, but that is not the best part. This year> Phil and Paul will be doing start to finish > live coverage.

I wonder if taking meth will improve or degrade their commentary.

== 4 of 5 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 1:49 pm From: Betty Munro

Cicero Venatio wrote:>>> The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race>>> isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed.

Fred on a stick wrote:>> Predator drones could work.

Brad Anders wrote:> Ideal, in fact, because their facial ID systems are tuned to pick out> guys with beards.

And they could be reprogrammed to take them out after they id them. Come to think of it their could be triathlon applications too.

== 5 of 5 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 3:13 pm From: "Mark J."

Betty Munro wrote:> Cicero Venatio wrote:>>>> The scale of RAAM is so vast, that using helicopters to cover the race>>>> isn't practical as they don't have the range or speed.> > Fred on a stick wrote:>>> Predator drones could work.> > Brad Anders wrote:>> Ideal, in fact, because their facial ID systems are tuned to pick out>> guys with beards.> > And they could be reprogrammed to take them out after they id them. Come > to think of it their could be triathlon applications too.

Yow! I just got some nice Challenge tires, but they have "TRIATHLON" on the sidewall in large letters. Now I have to watch the skies until I find the Magic Marker to black out the label.

On Jun 4, 9:51 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:> Did you see this wacko shit from Boardman?>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/boardman-warned-the-uci-of-risks-of-b...>> "I sat at a meeting with the UCI last year and drew on the blackboard> exactly how this might work," Boardman told the Telegraph. "I showed> them some of the sophisticated boosting technology now available,> mainly from F1 teams, that can get a kilowatt out of a single AAA> battery.">> I gotta get me some of those AAA's, they must be the CHRISStrong> brand. 667 A from a 1.5 V AAA is pretty damn good. Better yet, at> typical internal resistances of 0.08 ohm for an Li battery, these> puppies can shrug off 35KW of waste heat. That's kick-ass.

Dumbass -

Maybe he meant one watt instead of a kilowatt.

Let's hope so.

If Boardman could get that sort of power out of a AAA, he could powera car with a lunchbox sized power source. Dude would be worth atrillion dollars.

thanks,

Fred. presented by Gringioni.

== 2 of 3 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 4:04 pm From: Brad Anders

Article by guy who examined Fabian's bike after Flanders and has picsto prove it - nothing unusual.

On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps> him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the> book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual> tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best> bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months> from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!>> Brad AndersIMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,

'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too."I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his eponymous line of bikes.'

Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future. Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program if one existed?

>IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,> LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.>"I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that>went on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me,">a reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over>his eponymous line of bikes.'>>Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that>she now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek>executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping >programif one existed?>>A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>>Kristin>Frankie and wife>Former houseboy/gofer from Texas>Emma>The Dutch soigneur>SCA investigators>Former Postal staff residing in the US>Chris Carmichael>Floyd>Johan B.>George H.>Lance>>All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is>a criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and>Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.

I think this list is interesting but I think another avenue is the Garmin/Slipstreamteam. They issued a press release the other day basically stating that thepast is the past and that all staff/riders involved with the team will continueto have a job as long as the tell the whole truth to investigators. That isa powerful statement.

If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White and Zabriskie.There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.

Thanks,iFred

== 3 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:01 pm From: "Tom Kunich"

"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.

What business is it of the Feds?

== 4 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:04 pm From: "B. Lafferty"

On 6/4/2010 4:56 PM, i, fred wrote:> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>> LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.>> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that>> went on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me,">> a reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over>> his eponymous line of bikes.'>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that>> she now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek>> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping>program> if one existed?>>>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>>>> Kristin>> Frankie and wife>> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas>> Emma>> The Dutch soigneur>> SCA investigators>> Former Postal staff residing in the US>> Chris Carmichael>> Floyd>> Johan B.>> George H.>> Lance>>>> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is>> a criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and>> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.>> I think this list is interesting but I think another avenue is the Garmin/Slipstream> team. They issued a press release the other day basically stating that the> past is the past and that all staff/riders involved with the team will continue> to have a job as long as the tell the whole truth to investigators. That is> a powerful statement.>> If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White and Zabriskie.> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.>> Thanks,> iFredGood point.

== 5 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:06 pm From: "B. Lafferty"

On 6/4/2010 5:01 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:> "B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote in message> news:htWdnSMAKPCjxZTRnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@giganews.com...>>>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.>> What business is it of the Feds?>>Misuse of US government monies--Postal sponsorship and possible mail/wire fraud as to SCA Promotions.

== 6 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:10 pm From: Uncle Dave

On Jun 4, 4:15 am, "i, fred" <if...@noremovemespam.spam> wrote:> Pretty interesting article (Link at bottom). Lemond states that he feels vindicated> now that Floyd's allegations of organized doping at the US Postal/Discovery> teams are in the open.>> He also repeated the claim that Lance admitted to him in a telephone call that> he took EPO.

On Jun 4, 12:46 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:> On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps> > him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the> > book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual> > tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best> > bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months> > from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!>> > Brad Anders>> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went> on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a> reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his> eponymous line of bikes.'>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she> now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program> if one existed?>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>> Kristin> Frankie and wife> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas> Emma> The Dutch soigneur> SCA investigators> Former Postal staff residing in the US> Chris Carmichael> Floyd> Johan B.> George H.> Lance>> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.

Lemond doesn't have any actual information about presentdoping in the peloton, just speculation. It's entirely possiblethat an afternoon listening to Lemond will convince Jeff Novitskythat he'd rather open an FDA investigation into doping in themeat business (or maybe whether illicit cattle hormones aregetting into the nation's ice cream supply).

If Lemond is going to be vindicated every time revelationssuggest that there is significant doping in the peloton, wemight as well just nominate him for sainthood now andget it over with, because if past performance is a predictorof future results, it is dead certain that in the future, revelationswill suggest that there is significant doping in the peloton.Anyone can express an opinion. Lemond backs his upby picking up random collections of stuff (bogus powerestimates, etc) and calling it evidence. How do youvindicate that?

Fredmaster Ben

== 8 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:19 pm From: Brad Anders

I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'dbe honored.

> I think someone should talk with LemonD about sainthood. I think he'd> be honored.

Amen to that.

UD

== 10 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 2:45 pm From: Anton Berlin

> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,

> Former Postal staff residing in the US

If they subpoena my mailman I'd like to ask why it took 8 fucking daysfor a letter to get from Dallas to LA.

It's a god damn outrage !!!!!

== 11 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 4:00 pm From: "B. Lafferty"

On 6/4/2010 5:45 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:>>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>>> Former Postal staff residing in the US>>> If they subpoena my mailman I'd like to ask why it took 8 fucking days> for a letter to get from Dallas to LA.>> It's a god damn outrage !!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! Here come the Lance patzers.

== 12 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 4:04 pm From: --D-y

On Jun 4, 2:46 pm, "B. Lafferty" <b...@nowhere.com> wrote:> On 6/4/2010 1:26 PM, Brad Anders wrote:> Personally, I'm excited about the vindication of LemonD, as it helps> > him along to his ultimate goal of ending up with more TdF wins in the> > book than any other US cyclist, namely, LANCE. Since his "virtual> > tours" strategy didn't work, getting LANCE's wins vacated is his best> > bet. With a partner like Floyd, I'm sure he's just a few short months> > from achieving his goal. Go, Greg!>> > Brad Anders>> IMO, the most interesting comment in the article was,>> 'LeMond has some advice for investigators, too.> "I hope all of this sheds light on all the corporate enabling that went> on, especially the one that tried to take my brand away from me," a> reference to his long legal battles with the Trek Bicycle Corp. over his> eponymous line of bikes.'

Once again, not really giving a shit about the riders, becausecompared to him, GREG LEMOND, they don't count.Maybe he should take credit for his jealousy (envy, hatred), big mouthand overwhelming sense of entitlement ("my VO2 was the highest,therefore...) having at least a little something to do with hisdownfall at Trek. IOW, he could have been slightly more politic IRThis public utterances. But, there's that entitlement thing again. Likehe says (or implies, if you must) in his book, it's because of "who heis" (i.e., born with the most lordly VO2).>> Lemond has probably spoken with the Feds or will in the near future.> Will Novitsky ask the woman from Oakley what she really heard that she> now claims she didn't hear or can't remember? Were Nike and Trek> executives really operating with no knowledge of a Postal doping program> if one existed?>> A few people the Feds will want to speak with,>> Kristin> Frankie and wife> Former houseboy/gofer from Texas> Emma> The Dutch soigneur> SCA investigators> Former Postal staff residing in the US> Chris Carmichael> Floyd> Johan B.> George H.> Lance

Brian, it occurs to me that you could help this all along if there issome kind of parallel to the amicus curiae that would apply to federalinvestigations where you would be insulated, so to speak, from anyaccusation of interfering with said investigation, while offering thisMO to the investigators. Maybe you could even get your picturetaken...?

> All will be asked knowing that lying to a federal investigator is a> criminal offense. Who's willing now to take the fall for Lance and> Johan? Of course, Lance will be the last person questioned.

This reminds me of the old cartoons where the wolf is sitting at thetable with his napkin tied around his neck, whetting his knife on hisfork, slavering at the thought of fresh-roasted meat delivered to hisplate. Forgetting all the times in the past the little piggies haveoutsmarted him, of course <g>.

Hey, maybe they can get someone besides Floyd to tell how the otherguys-- the ones who didn't and don't get popped, that is-- do theirpreparations. "Getting drunk and forgetting to take the testosteronepatch off my nutsack in time" would seem to be of limited value.--D-y

== 13 of 13 ==Date: Fri, Jun 4 2010 4:10 pm From: "i, fred"

"B. Lafferty" <bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>On 6/4/2010 4:56 PM, i, fred wrote:>> "B. Lafferty"<bl@nowhere.com> wrote:>>>> If I were a federal investigator I'd start with Vaughters, White>and Zabriskie.>> There is some ripe fruit for the pickin' in that orchard.>>>> Thanks,>> iFred>Good point.

..or better yet, go see if Tyler wants to come clean.He may do himself a world of good by putting that sillycharade of a defense to rest.

But this is probably a bad idea because I bet he seesthe fallout for Floyd and wants no part of that mess...

I found it interesting that Floyd didn't mention Tylerat all during his email outbursts. I think it may havesomething to do with the fact that they are tight bros: