60 Minutes examines the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin's most prominent critics: unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings

What the president doesn’t talk about is the unfortunate fate that stalks some of Putin’s most prominent critics. They have been victims of unsolved shootings, suspicious suicides and poisonings. Tonight, the story of one of them

Quote:He was shuttled from hospital to hospital in Moscow for two days as doctors frantically tried to figure out what was wrong with him.

Sounds like they were awfully intent on keeping him alive.

Quote:Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

Lesley Stahl: So what happened?

Yes, what happened?

Here's a funny thing: I've known know two people PERSONALLY who died of organ failure after a sudden brief illness. One person, who worked for me, had just taken his son to Disneyland on Friday and was dead by Monday. Another person, my husband's surgeon, had attended a medical conference in Florida and by the time his flight landed in LAX he had collapsed and by the next day he was dead.

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly, someone is out to get me.

Quote:Vladimir Kara-Murza: Well, it was some kind of a very strong toxin.

Although I don't have any proof, that's what I'm going with. Forget "septic shock"!

Quote: We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

If I were to test YOUR blood, I'd find heavy metals in it. Everyone has some. The question is: how much? You don't "clear" heavy metals quickly, and if anyone had given this man a near-fatal dose, it would have been in his blood weeks later. The whole "heavy metals" mention is just stupid scare-mongering.

Quote:but no specific toxin. Still Kara-Murza maintains that he was poisoned.

The article goes on to say that Kara-Murza fell ill again with the same symptoms as before. This time samples of his hair, blood and fingernails were sent to a lab in Israel for analysis for toxins. It's only been a month, it will surely take longer to get results. I'll be interested to see what they have to say.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William BlakeTHUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

And as far as all the people you claim to know in the many, many different situations that fit into the topics posted, most recently, the immigrants who happen to fill every demographic who like Trump, and they just happen to work with you, BULLSHIT.

This too is a recurring theme with you. It always starts out, I just happen to know. Yeah right....

Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:He was shuttled from hospital to hospital in Moscow for two days as doctors frantically tried to figure out what was wrong with him.

Sounds like they were awfully intent on keeping him alive.

Quote:Vladimir Kara-Murza: I was at one point connected, I think to eight different artificial life support machines and doctors told my wife that there’s only gonna be about a five percent chance that I’ll survive.

But he beat the odds. When we spoke with him last year, he’d been recovering for a year, but he was still walking with a limp from nerve damage.

Lesley Stahl: So what happened?

Yes, what happened?

Here's a funny thing: I've known know two people PERSONALLY who died of organ failure after a sudden brief illness. One person, who worked for me, had just taken his son to Disneyland on Friday and was dead by Monday. Another person, my husband's surgeon, had attended a medical conference in Florida and by the time his flight landed in LAX he had collapsed and by the next day he was dead.

Coincidence? I think not! Clearly, someone is out to get me.

Quote:Vladimir Kara-Murza: Well, it was some kind of a very strong toxin.

Although I don't have any proof, that's what I'm going with. Forget "septic shock"!

Quote: We don’t know what it was because, you know, with these things, as people who know more about this than I do explained to me, you basically have to know exactly what you’re testing for in order to find it.

Lesley Stahl: So they never found the exact compound?

Vladimir Kara-Murza: They never did.

It wasn’t until the fourth day, and after he had been on a dialysis machine, that blood was drawn and sent to a toxicology lab in France. It found heavy metals in his blood

If I were to test YOUR blood, I'd find heavy metals in it. Everyone has some. The question is: how much? You don't "clear" heavy metals quickly, and if anyone had given this man a near-fatal dose, it would have been in his blood weeks later. The whole "heavy metals" mention is just stupid scare-mongering.

Quote:but no specific toxin. Still Kara-Murza maintains that he was poisoned.

The article goes on to say that Kara-Murza fell ill again with the same symptoms as before. This time samples of his hair, blood and fingernails were sent to a lab in Israel for analysis for toxins. It's only been a month, it will surely take longer to get results. I'll be interested to see what they have to say.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William BlakeTHUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I wonder how many lucky ones there are that didn't die at the Clinton's behest?

Again Jack, posts like this is why I called you a moron. As G said. Most of us spent years ignoring your drunken rants that included misogynistic and grotesque material. I'm back to ignoring you. Good luck with your attempt at sobriety.

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:You have a point Kiki. Though hiding did save Rushdie's life and his family's inspite of the fatwas against him.

The hiding came after the fatwas, not before. And Rushdie didn't expose his would-be killers, they pretty much did it to themselves, since the fatwas were international news. But given that he was already in hiding, having the threat against him being public was a useful circumstance.

Quote:Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
I wonder how many lucky ones there are that didn't die at the Clinton's behest?

Again Jack, posts like this is why I called you a moron. As G said. Most of us spent years ignoring your drunken rants that included misogynistic and grotesque material. I'm back to ignoring you. Good luck with your attempt at sobriety.

The brazen daytime slaying of a Russian politician outside a Ukrainian hotel this week brings to eight the number of high-profile Russians who have died over the past five months since the US presidential election on November 8.

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