These kind of things happen when your out-athleted at every single position on the field. Good news is both Saban and Kelly probably have time for a quick phone call right now if the Browns want to call either of them.

e0y2e3 wrote:To be fair its Jordan Hall, Corey Brown and Travis Howard's fault. After Tressel lied those idiots went out and still took a few hundred bucks cash that summer and forced the NCAA into the bowl ban.

Well, it's their fault and Tressel's.

Yep, and that is part of the reason why I have never understood the, "well, Jordan Hall is a good dude" arguments by the same people villifying other Tat 5 members.

Does this beatdown really surprise anyone here? All year we said the B1G sucked and ND looks like a B1G team.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

I wish we could have the playoff system starting this year, along with tOSU never playing in the TaxSlayer bowl as punishment, so we could see this years team play with the big dogs..

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

motherscratcher wrote:I still have no idea why people continue to insist that if tOSU self imposed a bowl ban last year the NCAA would have let them play this year.

I guess I don't understand why would the NCAA, come down harder on a self-santion?

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".

motherscratcher wrote:I still have no idea why people continue to insist that if tOSU self imposed a bowl ban last year the NCAA would have let them play this year.

I guess I don't understand why would the NCAA, come down harder on a self-santion?

It is perfectly rational to expect that since tOSU received a one year bowl ban that, had they self imposed, the NCAA would have accepted that and we would have been watching tOSU last night.

I guess you just have a lot more confidence than I do that the NCAA would act rationally. All evidence to the contrary.

We'll never know one way or the other, but it's my opinion that the NCAA was getting their pound of flesh and any self imposed sanctions would have not been enough and the NCAA would have added on more.

In the past 20 years, Notre Dame is 4-11 in Bowl games, including a combined 0-5 in the Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl and last night's National Championship game ("BCS games"). Those 5 games were lost by scores of 42-14 to Alabama, 41-14 to LSU, 34-20 to Ohio State, 41-9 to Oregon State and 41-24 to Colorado.

Notre Dame's two most recent bowl victories came over 7-6 Miami in the 2010 Sun Bowl and 7-7 Hawaii in the 2008 Hawaii Bowl. The other 2 bowl victories in the past 20 years were back-to-back wins over Texas A&M in the 1993 and 1994 Cotton Bowls.

A&M finished 10-2 and 12-1 those years. So, you have to go back to January 1, 1993 and January 1, 1994 for Notre Dame's last meaningful bowl victories.

Notre Dame's current starting QB, Everett Golson, was born on January 2, 1993.

For reference, Ohio State is 9-10 in the same span, including 7-4 in "BCS" games (put in quotations for both teams because I'm including the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange Bowl stats from the pre-BCS era).

I move ND's fans to #6 and add Boston's fair-weather fans that started in '99. All of those fan bases are just huge nationally. The ND fans will go back into Hiding soon enough, right after there 7-4 '13 season.

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug" - Originated from a famous skit in Dave Chappelle's "Chappelle's Show". The skit would portray Rick James, usually high on cocaine, preforming doing crazy and stupid things, such as smacking Charlie Murphy in the face. Rick James would frequently explain away his actions by saying "Cocaine is a hell of a drug".