That's one of the reasons I've never used it. I. Can use the navigation on my phone and connect via Bluetooth and get the same turn by turn instructions with out having to worry about logging into sync and downloading the route or having to redownloading if I go off the planned route.

That is absurd...downloading the route? What MFT are you using lol it takes all of five seconds and redirects quicker than my galaxy and i love the navi on the galaxy. No signal issues whatsoever where the stupid phone would have signal issues sometimes locking onto gps.

Notice how the only people saying not to get it are the ones WITHOUT it...coming from someone with the nav and who owned also owned an mk3 without because i thou gg t it would be a.waste....the nav is so much better!

Let me clear the air here and say that sync services navigation SUCKS. I can have a poi or destination spoken, searched, or typed in within the span of one minute but that retarded sync services takes forever and 60000 menus to go through to Enter a destination.

Botoom line, are you going to buy a 27,000 premium car with a huge mft screen and skip navi? That's like buying a tent and gear but hiking with sandals

If your gonna settle without navi don't waste the money on MFT period...

Go with the Nav. I was skeptical but glad I got it. Here's some advantages I've found so far.

1. An 8-inch screen

2. You can control everything using voice commands without taking your hands off the wheel

3. Turn list view. Because of the big screen, MFT Nav can display the map and the turn list at the same time. It's so helpful knowing the next couple of turns

4. Music volume is automatically lowered when MFT Nav speaks

5. Dead-reckoning. MFT Nav is integrated with the car. When there's no GPS signal(in a garage, tunnel or under tall buildings), it estimates the location using gyroscope, vehicle speed, steering direction and etc

6. Next turn is displayed on the 5'' LCD in the instrument panel. This helps keep your eyes on the road

7. Route recalculation is almost instant. As soon as you miss a turn, it guides you to the next turn

Me: "W 3rd Avenue" (and that's assuming I know which one it is - usually, I don't)

MFT: "Second Street"

Me: "High Street"

MFT: "Please Choose"
[list of N High St, S High St, High St without a direction, etc. appear on screen]

Me: "N High Street"

MFT: "When Ready, Press Set As Destination..."

^ Remember that this is the best-case scenario!

If that doesn't make you want to drive the car into the wall, I don't know what will. Contrast that with...

Google Maps

Me: "Map of 3rd Avenue and High Street, Columbus, Ohio."

^ That's it. And it finds it. The end.

I've resorted to using Google Maps on my phone, coupled with this app, to send complicated directions to the car via Sync Services. It's not a perfect solution, but it's faster than fighting with the system.

If you use the sync services it will give you the directions on the information window as well.

Overall, it's really a personal choice. I think that smartphone and IPad's offer more choices in navigation options then the Nav unit.

Even though you sacrifice some of the convience of voice commands, I haven't found it that hard yet. Overall, if I'm going somewhere I put in the address before I start driving so don't really need to talk to my car. I tend to use the voice commands for pretty much everything else (calling people, climate control, etc...).

I have Nav on mine and I love it. I find it cheap to have a 25k+ car (Canada pricing) and to buy then a mount for your TomTom when u can have the Nav integrated in the system. And it works great ! For those having problems with the voice commands for Nav, please upgrade to the latest MFT version, a lot of commands were revised.

Me: "W 3rd Avenue" (and that's assuming I know which one it is - usually, I don't)

MFT: "Second Street"

Me: "High Street"

MFT: "Please Choose"
[list of N High St, S High St, High St without a direction, etc. appear on screen]

Me: "N High Street"

MFT: "When Ready, Press Set As Destination..."

^ Remember that this is the best-case scenario!

If that doesn't make you want to drive the car into the wall, I don't know what will. Contrast that with...

Google Maps

Me: "Map of 3rd Avenue and High Street, Columbus, Ohio."

^ That's it. And it finds it. The end.

I've resorted to using Google Maps on my phone, coupled with this app, to send complicated directions to the car via Sync Services. It's not a perfect solution, but it's faster than fighting with the system.

So you fault a system that wants to get you to an exact location instead of choosing for you where you want to go?

How often does someone really use "destination intersection" as a point? I go where I want to go, "destination POI" or "destination street address."

So you fault a system that wants to get you to an exact location instead of choosing for you where you want to go?

How often does someone really use "destination intersection" as a point? I go where I want to go, "destination POI" or "destination street address."

The system works awesome.

Maybe I wasn't clear - it's the fact that it lacks (seemingly) obvious logic that I'm faulting. I'm fine with it confirming that it picked the correct, exact location. But the problem is that it brings up a list of cross-streets and intersections that don't even exist.

In the example above, High and 3rd, there is only one point where they cross, and it's only W 3rd and N High. (That may not be accurate, as it's just an example I made up, but that's not the point here). A smart system, like Google Maps, realizes this and deduces that's the only option if I ask for 3rd and High. MFT, on the other hand, pops up a list, and if I pick the wrong one then tells me it doesn't exist, and then the cycle repeats until I finally pick the right combination.

As for "Destination Intersection" usage... I actually use it semi-frequently. Often I know where I'm going and just want to use Nav to get close to that point from wherever I currently am.

And in terms of POIs, that's a clusterfuffle as well sometimes. I ask for one, it tells me to choose from a list, and then never displays the list... all while Sync Lady is getting increasingly insistent that I choose one of the options (that aren't visible).

Perhaps it's been improved in v3.5.1 (I just upgraded today) but the performance to date has been, shall we say, less than robust.

That is absurd...downloading the route? What MFT are you using lol it takes all of five seconds and redirects quicker than my galaxy and i love the navi on the galaxy. No signal issues whatsoever where the stupid phone would have signal issues sometimes locking onto gps.

Notice how the only people saying not to get it are the ones WITHOUT it...coming from someone with the nav and who owned also owned an mk3 without because i thou gg t it would be a.waste....the nav is so much better!

Let me clear the air here and say that sync services navigation SUCKS. I can have a poi or destination spoken, searched, or typed in within the span of one minute but that retarded sync services takes forever and 60000 menus to go through to Enter a destination.

Botoom line, are you going to buy a 27,000 premium car with a huge mft screen and skip navi? That's like buying a tent and gear but hiking with sandals

If your gonna settle without navi don't waste the money on MFT period...

Not sure if I confused you or not but I was talking using my phone over sync. I don't use the sync services for navi (downloading the route, etc). It's a waste of time when you have a phone that does the same thing better.

That said I do like the MFT better than using my phone, less clutter of positioning a phone and looking at a small screen, the navi works really well with voice control and I like the added information from points of interest, (landmarks, gas prices, atm locations, etc).

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