Smokers

The cost to the nhs is paid for by smokers to be treated for a smoking related illness.About 2.5x more in tobacco tax than is spent.Just to put the record straight.

..every day tasks for a smoker become more difficult the longer they smoke long before they actually need help also the cost to industry and income is not included as it is impossible to equate due to differing reactions within a population, the cost is much much more then you realise and I'm not just talking about money, COPD is nasty and very cruel ..not just for the sufferer.

..every day tasks for a smoker become more difficult the longer they smoke long before they actually need help also the cost to industry and income is not included as it is impossible to equate due to differing reactions within a population, the cost is much much more then you realise and I'm not just talking about money, COPD is nasty and very cruel ..not just for the sufferer.

No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers.You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD.Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that.Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying.You should try it; you might like it.Any how who wants to live for ever.80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years.Sod that.Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs.I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related. Whether that primary or secondary.

No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers.You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD.Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that.Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying.You should try it; you might like it.Any how who wants to live for ever.80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years.Sod that.Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs.I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related. Whether that primary or secondary.

It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'.

I don't believe in controlling what someone puts into their body. People should have the right to smoke, or drink, but the latter in excess is clearly dangerous is someone's driving for instance, and the former is one of the single worst things you can do for your health.

Aside from being a pointless habit that damages your health it's important to factor in that damage is not only confined to you. If you tank your own health, real and very avoidable pain extends to your loved ones. And of course that's before getting into the health implications and selfishness of those parents who smoke around their children.

It's clearly something this individual has had a sad experience with, as you acknowledge, and so following it up with this 'try it you might like it' style and how annoyed you are with non smokers, is rather crass.

It kills you slowly and it's an unpleasant and uncomfortable death, your breathing becomes more difficult as the years pass and because it can be slow it is unnoticeable, then one day you do notice it ..you have a little cough and you also notice that running or walking quickly makes you out of breath, if you manage to stop now you may be able to recover fully, but because tobacco is as powerful a drug as heroin doing that is extremely difficult.

Peoples ability to work and just function normally is hugely reduced long long before they die, COPD is nasty!Heart failure and stroke is massively increased after ten plus years and increases more hugely as every year passes after ..and also the wonderful cancer ..everywhere! Not just the lungs, people often also have limbs removed if they do survive long enough through damaged circulation, the cost to the NHS is unbelievably ridiculous, you have no idea! ..and I've just scratched the surface!

Yes I'm aware that starting to smoke isn't the best idea in the world for your health. It was more a theoretical point that if someone started smoking when they were old, or in a situation where their lifespan was going to be much shorter for some reason, that there probably wouldn't be any personal health implications or consequences for them due to smoking.

I'd no much suggest someone start smoking than I would tell someone to drink 5 or 6 pints every night.

It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'.

I don't believe in controlling what someone puts into their body. People should have the right to smoke, or drink, but the latter in excess is clearly dangerous is someone's driving for instance, and the former is one of the single worst things you can do for your health.

Aside from being a pointless habit that damages your health it's important to factor in that damage is not only confined to you. If you tank your own health, real and very avoidable pain extends to your loved ones. And of course that's before getting into the health implications and selfishness of those parents who smoke around their children.

It's clearly something this individual has had a sad experience with, as you acknowledge, and so following it up with this 'try it you might like it' style and how annoyed you are with non smokers, is rather crass.

Edited by dollardays (14 Mar 2019 2.44am)

They may like it though.Thats my point.Irrelavent of their own personal experiences.Choice is diminishing in life.If you dont want to do something perfectly legal fine but having a pop at people that do is certainly not fine.

I donít drive and donít see why anyone else has to either. Why is pollution so much worse in cities? Cars. Why canít you walk? Or get a bus? Or a train? Look at all the people killed or injured in crashes when they could have been saving the planet and getting healthier. Why should other people be at risk from speeding maniacs? The fact that some people donít own a car means that no one has to own one.

I donít drive and donít see why anyone else has to either. Why is pollution so much worse in cities? Cars. Why canít you walk? Or get a bus? Or a train? Look at all the people killed or injured in crashes when they could have been saving the planet and getting healthier. Why should other people be at risk from speeding maniacs? The fact that some people donít own a car means that no one has to own one.

Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness.

Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do

Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness.

Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do

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Driving a car is voluntary too and how many people living in a city have to do it? Yes itís easier but itís not essential. No one needs a 4 x 4 to get the shopping or drop their kids off at school.The point Iím trying to make is that people who would stop others from smoking are quite content to do something equally as pointless and far more expensive.

I'm thinking of giving up smoking. I'm not at all a heavy smoker - around 5 rollies a day. I'm worried about vaping as I don't want to be more addicted than I already am. My main reason to give up is my kids. My father never smoked but died of cancer when I was young.Has anyone tried giving up and vaping instead?