Friday, August 18, 2006

Single Pervert Theory

"Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion." - Donnie Darko

As much as the media love a good blood feast, it's beginning to slowly back away from the bizarre John Karr. The seeming Manchurian Paedophile is right to say he's not innocent, but he doesn't contain the mystery of the Ramsey case, which America is likely never to admit to itself.

In the Spring of 1996, months before the Ramsey murder, Karr was apparently attempting to lure children through his "e-mail based crisis feedback program" called Powerwurks. ("All my plans revolve around kids. I am very concerned about the well being of all young people. I'll do anything I can to help find a missing child.") His bogus support group, similar to "Arcadian Fields Ministry," sought to draw kids, at least virtually, into a supposedly "safe and private environment where you can freely and comfortably express your thoughts and feelings on any subject. No subject is banned from discussion. All conversations are strictly confidential and that's a promise!!" (The "thoughts and feelings" Karr meant to encourage was clear from another post on k12.chat.elementary: "Is sex among people under 10 a rarity or common place?")

But Karr's ex-wife, to whom he hasn't spoken since their 2001 divorce following his arrest for possession of child pornography, says he was with her and their children in Alabama the Christmas of JonBenet's death. And Karr's claim to have drugged and raped the little girl he "loved very much" just doesn't match the autopsy report.

At second glance, Karr appears to be nothing but a dead soul who took the Gary Glitter Adventure Tour, and staring at a Thai jail cell after having lost everything but his perversion, fell back upon his morbid obsession with the Ramsey case as his last advantage. And Homeland Security, for its own reasons, was happy to oblige. Karr may still have some truth to tell, but that depends upon his yet-unverified resume, which alleges he was employed "in some of the most prestigious schools in the United States, working with children from high-profile families" between 1996 and 2001.

Six years ago a different wrinkle was added to the Ramsey story, which America's national media wasn't nearly as interested in reporting. From Boulder's Daily Camera, February 25, 2000:DA pursues new Ramsey lead

District Attorney Alex Hunter has turned over new information to Boulder police and the FBI that he says could provide a major breakthrough in solving the 3-year-old JonBenét Ramsey murder case.

The information is from testimony and documents provided voluntarily by a 37-year-old California woman who was brought forward by Boulder attorney Lee Hill. The woman said she has suffered a lifetime of sexual and physical abuse, beginning at age 3. Her story, if true, could mean the Ramsey case is tangled in sexual abuse and involves more people than originally thought.

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Hill, who is a former San Diego County deputy district attorney and former special assistant U.S. attorney and is experienced in investigative work, said, "She is among the most credible witnesses I have ever interviewed." He is representing the woman in her decision to give information to authorities.

The woman has described to police years of sexual and physical abuse in California homes at the hands of adults who stayed at holiday and other parties after other guests had left for the evening. Then, she said, another "party," one of sexual abuse for the gratification of a select group of adults, would begin.

In talking to detectives, the woman draws parallels between sexual techniques used at these sessions and the physical evidence of garroting that investigators found on the body of JonBenét Ramsey. The woman told detectives she believes JonBenét was killed accidentally when an asphyxiation technique used to stimulate an orgasmic response during a child sex and porno "party" went too far.

The woman told police she knows firsthand about asphyxiation (choking) to produce a sexual response because it had been done to her when she was a child. The woman said in her experience little girls were dressed provocatively and trained to say provocative things, such as, "It's a pleasure to please you."

She told police that when girls did not perform as expected, they were struck on the head. That was because their hair covered the wound. A big night for such "parties" was Christmas night, she said. Over the years, she said, many parties were held then because a large number of cars around a house did not arouse suspicion in the neighborhood and the children had a full week to heal from their wounds before returning to school.

JonBenét Ramsey's death occurred overnight Christmas 1996. The autopsy report concluded she suffered a blow on the head and was strangled.

The woman said she knows the Ramseys through the Fleet White family. She said the godfather to her mother is Fleet White Sr., 86, of California. Fleet White Jr. of Boulder and John Ramsey were close friends until the death of JonBenét.

On March 10 of that year, this story appeared in the Daily-Times Call:

Messages warn therapist to avoid figure in sex ring

BOULDER — The California therapist who is treating the so-called Mystery Woman in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case has received telephone messages ordering her to stay away from her patient, who has come forward with allegations of lifelong sexual abuse by a ring that includes figures in the Ramsey case.

The five messages were left at the office of Mary Bienkowski over what is believed to be a six-month period. One of the calls appears to be made by one woman and the other four made by a second woman.

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The text of the calls follows:

1. (Caller One) "Hello Mary. This is a very interested party in regards to (Mystery Woman's) welfare. (Her) past and her future are of no, of no concern to you. She made an error in judgement when she came to see you and you have caused her nothing but pain and suffering. Her main concern now is her new husband and her family. She has started a life and is going to be moving as far away from you as possible. She belongs with her family and nobody else. She is off limits to you."

2. (Caller Two) "Hello. Leave (Mystery Woman) alone. We take care of our own. Everything. And nothing is any of your business."

3. (Caller Two) "Hello. It's high time that you caught on that (Mystery Woman) doesn't have time for your foolishness. Thank you."

4. (Caller Two) "(Mystery Woman) is going on an extended vacation with her family and while there will seek medical care for her problems. (Mystery Woman) has forgotten more than you will ever know. So."

5. (Caller Two) "Hello. Sticks and stones may break our bones, but words will never hurt us. So leave (Mystery Woman) alone. It's against the law to disturb the peace. Don't forget it."

Bienkowski on Thursday said that when Boulder detectives interviewed her on Wednesday, they questioned "the structure, not the content of her treatment."

Bienkowski said she felt detectives were "looking for ways to invalidate the statements."

On October 13, 1999, the day after the announcement that there would be no charges filed in the Ramsey case following the adjournment of the Grand Jury, Denver journalist and Panama Deception Oscar winner Joe Calhoun was given a 23-page file "of such a bizarre nature," he told Constantine, "I was extremely circumspect about regarding it as a collection of genuine documents and confidential memos I jokingly referred to it to some of my colleagues as The Blair Witch Project of the JonBenet Ramsey case. I didn't pursue any of the leads mentioned in the file until recently." What Calhoun had received in October was the story of Belinda Shultz, and her allegations that her son Nicholas had been sexually abused by his father and others at "satanic' sex rituals in Texas and Colorado.

It was only after the "mystery woman," Nancy Krebs, came forward that Calhoun "decided to give it a second look, since the information contained therein seemed to parallel the information the woman was providing Boulder D.A. Alex Hunter and the police. Upon rereading all of the information contained in it, and cross-referencing names, the entire file had more of a flow of information." (Krebs' first questioning by Boulder police can be read here, and here is the transcript of a radio interview from 2000.)

The DNA of an unidentifed white male is beneath JonBenet's fingernails and mixed with her blood. Whatever guilt the Ramseys may bear in their daughter's death is shared, just as JonBenet was likely shared in life.

It's perhaps easy to see how Belgians, already familiar with the disclosure of its fascist secret army's false flag terror of the Brabant massacres, could admit that Marc Dutroux has friends in high places who also preyed upon their children. After Brabant, what, now, could be inconceivable?

70 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes they even have a name for this S&M sex act.

donkey punch

Supposedly, it is performed by the male, by punching the female in the back of the head or neck immediately prior to orgasm. (In boxing this dangerous and illegal punch would be called a 'rabbit punch'.) The alleged purpose is to cause the muscles around the vagina or anus of the female to contract, thereby constricting around the male's penis and initiating a more enjoyable orgasm.Due to the commonly perceived absurdity of the donkey punch, it is often thought of as an urban legend. A major cause of the propagation of this phrase is its shock value when explaining it to an unsuspecting friend or colleague. Thus, it is considered by many to be a misogynist joke.

I'm no expert here, but just how tight do these scum bags have to have it? I mean, we're talking about a 6 year old girl, for Allah's Sake!! How could that not be tight enough?

It is extremely difficult for me to wrap my thoughts around this concept.....of sex with children. I don't know about you all, but the thought has never occurred to me.....not in any of my wildest fantasies....so to come to realize that it occurs with other people with much more regularity than conventional wisdom allows, is mind boggling.

Where the hell are we? Who the hell are we? Who the hell are "they?" I mean....I didn't sign up for this shit. It's been thrust upon me....and I don't appreciate it...and I don't want any part of it. I want my refund, NOW!!!!

And, I will add that Hugh Manatee Wins....again. I think his point about this popping up now is valid. "They" have a long list of juicy, obfuscatory pop-ups, of that I'm certain, and of which this is just one.

It still doesn't preclude the MK ULTRA angle, however, and I feel confident that this mind controlled zombie will be proven not to be the killer, and the whole circus was anticipated and hoped for......as a ruse to distract from another story, or stories, for which they don't want scrutiny.

It makes you wonder just how many of these mind controlled zombies they have in circulation. The thought is chilling......as are many thoughts provoked by this blog. For those just joining in and new to this blog, make sure you dress warm...warm enough for an Anarctic Winter...cuz the material here will chill you through the bone.

I guess somewhat related to this post in a very strange but simple way…I received a mysterious email from N_J 5309@yahoo who claims that someone, who I thought at one time was like my best friend, called on me and asked for “Barbara.” He further stated that this person actually did see Barbie in my house painting a beautiful portrait with the first model to ever sit for her.

If there is any truth to this at all (and I am 'Thomasina' at this point) please direct information to “barbiecarrots”

I hope someone will follow the apparent similarity between this John Karr fellow and the protected, globe-trotting, intelligence-linked group the Finders. Both Karr and the Finders are in the "education" business.

I'd say that with election season looming, we'll be treated to a marked increase in these mind-softening distractions. Then we'll all go to the polls, eager to hand our allegiance over to whichever caricature we feel will best fulfill our psychological need for a strong, protective, parental figure. Someone to keep all those nasty boogiemen tucked safely away in the closet (to be dragged out and used against us when it's necessary to keep us in line).

Speaking of the terrorization/traumatization of children, and it's uses in the perpetuation of power, political or otherwise, does anyone have any thoughts on the Disney-Pixar film 'Monsters Inc'? I always thought that the premise for that movie was a bit odd, and what with the alleged ties between Disney and this whole MKUltra business, I can't help but wonder if there was a bit of 'wink-wink' involved there.

Disengaging 'everything-you-ever-knew' and replacing it with even the smallest sampling of RI-targeted High Weirdness, horror-soaked vaccuum, it's no wonder the lights are on but nobody's home..

Most Americans are 'Decent Folk'. Turning the notion on it's head that the world doesn't share your own collective morality(or even that your culturally-established morality is itself a construct), leaves people with nothing to turn towards but apathy.

Simple example: How many women stay with men that sexually assault their children simply because they(believe they) can't afford to leave them? That's an enormous number of women, and that's not even stepping into the SRA bog..

Yeah, I mean those are the 'normal' Bad Guys..

Here's something to chew on in the vien of hugh's nightmare universe of social engineering:

What if for centuries we've had our morality shaped in a way that is calculated to generate an impermeable blind spot in regards to comprehending or even RECOGNIZING child predation..?

Breathe deep the gathering gloom Watch lights fade from every room Bed sitter people look back and lament Another day's useless energy is spent Impassioned lovers wrestle as one Lonely man cries for love and has none New mother picks up and suckles her son Senior citizens wish they were young Cold-hearted orb that rules the night Removes the colors from our sight Red is grey and yellow white But we decide which is right And which is an illusion

The question is, can we really decide, as the lyrics above suggest, if the information with which we are presented is so calculatingly proscribed?

We here think we are on the fringes.....on the outside looking in, but as Et in Arcadia ego suggests, what if we are not? What if our inquisitiveness was proscribed, just as the Mormon Masturbation Manual.....just on a much grander scale?

I'm glad it's Wine Night. This shit goes down much easier with a good bottle of wine....so long as it's not Amontillado, as Anony PROSCRIBED.

"I hope someone will follow the apparent similarity between this John Karr fellow and the protected, globe-trotting, intelligence-linked group the Finders. Both Karr and the Finders are in the "education" business."

Back to the David McGowan book _Programmed to Kill, once more.

There is a whole chapter on the CIA front "the Finders".

He titles the chapter "Finders Keepers" meaning of course, its just full circle to re-catch ones that are attempting to escape or use "saving children" as the means to capture them in the first place for MKULTRA and int'l pedophile networks that are very much at the core of the CIA.

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p. 59-62

"People want to believe that I am at the center of everything. They are mistaken... I did things of which I was not the driving force. I was used as an instrument by others, who are themselves used as instruments by others."--Marc Dutroux

Just a few years after the conviction of Frank Fuster another child exploitation case surfaced briefly in the state of Florida. On February 7, 1987, not long before the Larry King and Craig Spence operations were exposed, the Washington Post ran an interesting story that, at the time, did not seem to have any particular national significance. The article concerned a case of possible kidnapping and child abuse, and read in part as follows:

Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Florida, Park discovered material yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s style commune called the Finders, describe in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."

D.C. police, who searched a northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through the bag carried from the warehouse at 1307, 4th St Northeast were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.

D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what seemed to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains.

Customs officials said that they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted...These links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders--a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie [who has OSS/CIA connections, see below]--and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the northeast Washington warehouse and a 90 acre farm in rural Madison County, Virginia...

The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, Bee Bee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said. Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a six-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse"....

Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seem to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers. However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt...

Before their arrests in the park, [the two adult caretakers] had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men wear the children's mothers were they said that they were being weaned from their mothers.

It was nearly 7 years before the press revisited the Finders case, with the [disinfo] follow-up provided by U.S. News & World Report. Most likely, the strange saga of the Finders would have disappeared forever if not for the rumors surrounding the case that just would not seem to go away. These rumors were addressed in the U.S. News report as follows:

One of the unresolved questions involves allegations that the finders are somehow linked to the Central Intelligence Agency. Custom service documents reveal that in 1987, when the customs agents sought to examine the evidence gathered by Washington, D. C. police, they were told that the Finders investigation "had become an internal matter."

The police report on the case has been classified secret. Even now, Tallahassee police complain about the handling of the finders investigation by D. C. police. "They dropped this case," one Tallahassee investigator says, "like a hot rock." D.C. police will not comment on the matter. As for the CIA, ranking officials describe allegations about links between the intelligence agency and the Finders as "hogwash," perhaps a result of a simple mix-up with D. C. police. The only connection, according to the CIA: A firm that provided computer training to CIA officers also employed several members of the Finders.

It should probably be noted here that the firm that supplied the training to CIA officers didn't just employ several members of the Finders, but appears have in fact, in a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Finders organization. It should also be noted that the CIA does not, as a general rule of thumb, assign the training of its officers to outside contractors, unless, that is, the "private" the firm utilized in such a capacity as a CIA front. In the last paragraph of the U.S. News report, more intriguing connections to Langley are revealed: "the CIA's interest in the Finders may stem from the fact that [group leader Marion Pettie's] late wife once worked for the agency and that his son worked for a CIA proprietary firm, Air America." Aside from [noting the]…by then widely known (in Washington) CIA connections, the U.S. News reporters did their very best to bury the Finders story once and for all....

This does not mean, however, that there is no additional information available on the subject. As the U.S. News reporters noted in their report, there is a certain customs service memorandum that was written at the time of the original 1987 investigation. As that document was in the hands of the news reporters at the time the story was written, as they acknowledge, it should logically follow that any pertinent information contained therein would have been faithfully reported [instead of hidden, as they did]. The memo in question is actually a series of memos that were written by U.S. Customs service Special Agent Ramon J. Martínez. And the officer's own words, this is what he observed while participating in the investigation:

On Thursday, February 5, 1987, this office was contacted by telephone by... Tallahassee Police Department, juvenile division.... was further advised the children were unaware of the function and purpose of telephones, televisions and toilets, but the children had stated they were not allowed to live indoors and are only given food as a reward... Upon contacting detective Bradley, I learned that he had initiated an investigation on the two addresses provided by the Tallahassee Police Department during December of 1986. An informant had given him information regarding a cult, known as the "Finders" operating various businesses out of a warehouse located at 1307, 4th St Northeast [in DC] and were supposed to be housing children at 3918/3920 W St, Northwest. The information was specific in describing "blood rituals" and sexual orgies involving children, and an as yet unsolved murder in which the Finders may be involved.... During the execution of the warrant at 3918/20 W St, I was able to observe and access the entire building... There were several subjects on the premises. Only one was deemed to be connected with the Finders. [He] was located in a room equipped with several computers, printers, and numerous documents. Cursory examination of the documents reveal detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community known as the Finders, purchasing children, trading, and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal …we located in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations. One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through a contact in the Chinese Embassy there. Another telex expressed interest in the "bank secrecy" situations. Other documents identified interests in high-tech transfers to the United Kingdom, numerous properties under the control of the Finders, a keen interest in terrorism, explosives, and the evasion of law enforcement. Also found in the "computer room" was a detailed summary of the events surrounding the arrest and taking into custody of the two adults and six children in Tallahassee [merely] the previous night. There were also a set of instructions which appear to be broadcast via a computer network, which advised the participants to move "the children" and keep them moving through different jurisdictions, and instructions on how avoid police attention... I also saw a large collection of photographs of unidentified persons. Some of these photographs were nudes, believed to be members of the Finders. There were numerous photos of the children, some nude, at least one of which was a photo of a child "on display" and appearing to accent the child's genitals....[O]ne of the officers presented me with a photo album for my review. The album contained a series of photos of adults and children dressed in white sheets participating in a "blood ritual." The rituals centered around the execution of at least two goats. The photos portray the execution, this and bowel, skinning and dismemberment of the goats at the hands of the children. This included the removal of the testes of a male goat, the discovery of a female goats "womb" and the "baby goats" inside the womb, and the presentation of a goat’s head to one of the children.

Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to the activities of the organization in different parts of the world. Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and "Europe." There was also a file identified as "Palestinian." Other files were notified by member name or "project" name. The project appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under the front name for the Finders. There was one file entitled "Pentagon Break-In," and others referring to members operating in foreign countries. Not observed by me but related in MPD officer were intelligence files on private families not related to the Finders. The process undertaken appears to have been a systematic response to advertisements for babysitters, tutors, etc. A member of the Finders would respond and gather as much information as possible about the habits, identity, occupation, etc. of the family. The use to which this information was to put is still unknown. [Possibly whether or not they were likely subjects for child kidnapping]. There was also a large amount of data collected on various child care organizations.

The warehouse contained a large library, two kitchens, a sauna, hot tub and a "video room." The video room seem to be set up as an indoctrination center. It also appeared that the organization, had the capacity to produce its own videos. There were what appear to be training areas for children and what appeared to be an altar set up in a residential area of the warehouse. Many jars of urine and feces were located in this area.

Contrary to the claims of US news, running an international terrorist organization specializing in the trafficking of children is definitely more than just "eccentric." Unless, that is, the organization doing the trafficking is run by the Central intelligence agency. Group leader Marion Pettie shed additional light on his non-connections to the agency [sarcasm] in an interview with Steamshovel press in 1998. Recounting the history of his group, Pettie reminisced: "Going back to World War II, I kept open house mainly to intelligence people in Washington. OSS people passing through, things like that."

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The initial arrest of the Finders in Tallahassee went almost completely unnoticed by the media. So too did another arrest in the same state in August 2000, just before Florida gained newfound fame as the land of the "hanging chads." The arrested man was Wayne Camolli , and the charge was operating an online child pornography site. The Los Angeles Times reported that the West Palm Beach home in which Camolli was arrested, not unlike the Finders' van , "was filled with so much rotting garbage, trash and VCs that the agents had to borrow oxygen masks and hazardous material suits from the county fire department to carry out the search." Seized in the raid were numerous videotapes and a computer. What makes Camolli's arrest of significance here is that, as the Times noted, it was initiated by police "investigating Belgium's most notorious pedophile murder case." It seems that Camolli had close connections to "Felix DeConinck, a suspect in the kidnapping and molestation of a 14 year old girl... [and] DeConinck in turn had links to Marc Dutroux."

Tellingly, the LA Times article quickly disappeared from the newspaper's online archives. As with so many other cases, the final words of the U.S. Customs service memorandum on the Finders investigation will likely provide the epitaph for this case as well: “No further information will be available. No further action will be taken.”

The catholic church protected her predators and the establishment protected the church. Perhaps for the Eyes Wide Shut Elite the church stood as a kind of vanguard going back to the god auld days of monarchial predation. Clap clap, you there, bring me a (name gender, age, type) for my pleasure. Since they largely managed to define the very context of their own divine right, why question any action, as long as it doesn't kill you or bankrupt the crown? The church then, through a cross polination of various, sullied perversions, is but a cloak the mad kings wore to have there way with whomever as however they pleased. The rise of landed gentry were schooled in this trait of nobility, and black mailed by the heresy of what they had to do to attain such affluence through such sick "pleasure". As the means of warfare and commerce rose around them, they knew that perversion was actually a core means of holding on to power. And only one great crown remains. She is not the heart of all the world's desease, but she is very close. I fear for my son. I harken back to Bobby Sands, who said "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children." To dream of such things is but the hope of hope, perhaps, for if it suits their whim at any time, they'll dine on any of us as they please on the altars of whatever god binds them in their secret hell.

I came to this theory by way of this blog and its linked satellites, in particular a gruesome interview with an unrepentant and amoral convict who claims to be a sort of Finder. THE REST OF THIS COMMENT IS EXTREMELY DISGUSTING.The interviewed convict insisted that he saw nothing special in children aesthetically, but still loved to anally rape them. So this is the first thing: there are people (we will call paedophiles), who like furries honestly admire children sexually because of a perceptual or brain problem. These people might never touch a child or even own real child porn their whole lives, in fact law enforcement authorities admit that this group is probably the majority and there is no way of knowing how numerous they are. And then of course there are paedos who do act, but they still do so out of paedophilia. Another category explains the convicts's claim to be a proud child molestor but not a paedophile. Imagine if you had no morality, no regard for other people whatsoever, no fear of consequences and no conscience. Imagine within this framework you seek pleasure, and like some evil computer define sexual pleasure *solely* in terms of the amount of gentle but firm pressure that can be consistently brought to bear on the surface of the shaft of your penis. A child's anus becomes positively "attractive" in this context; it is the only thing in its own ball park excepting of course certain animals. The convict mentioned that he attacked both genders but of course had no preference since what he sought was available on both sides.And if you're monster enough to rape a child, inducing seizures, choking, involuntary spasms and contractions, doing permanent damage or using drugs would not only be a moral non-issue, it becomes logical and even eventually (as you develop a tolerance for earlier pleasures) necessary. There is a great book out called Snakes in Suits, about how the qualities that make someone a psychopath also make them great corporate material, and it is probably a lot more true than its authors realize, even with the wholesale psychopathy of Enron, GE, health for sale and the arms industry. These are not necessarily people who see anything sexy about kids, as do true paedophiles; they are people with needs who do not care at all about any other people. It all comes back to Vonnegut's idea of a saint and PK Dick's idea of morality: care about other people and act on that care.

I keep thinking that Gilles de Rais has to be significant -- if only as a reminder that this sort of thing is far from recent. I also wonder whether he was as rare a case for his period as the historical records would suggest or merely the only one who got caught.

From Wikipedia:

In 1435 Rais retired from military service to his estates, promoting theatrical performances and exhausting the large fortune he had inherited. It was during this period that, according to trial testimony given by Rais and his accomplices, he began to experiment with the occult under the direction of a man named Francesco Prelati, who promised Rais that he could help him regain the fortune Rais had squandered by sacrificing children to a demon called "Barron."

On May 15, 1440, Rais kidnapped a clergyman named Jean le Ferron during a dispute at the Church of Saint Étienne de Mer Morte. This prompted an investigation by the Bishop of Nantes, during which the investigators uncovered evidence of Rais's infanticidal crimes. On 29 July, the Bishop released his findings, and subsequently obtained the prosecutorial cooperation of Rais's former protector, the Duke of Brittany. Action was now finally taken: on 24 August, Jean le Ferron was freed by Royal troops led by Arthur de Richemont. Rais himself and his accomplices were arrested on 15 September, following a secular investigation which paralleled the findings of the Bishop of Nantes's earlier investigation. Rais's prosecution would likewise be conducted by both secular and ecclesiastical courts, on charges which included murder, sodomy, and heresy.

The extensive witness testimony convinced the judges that there were adequate grounds for establishing the guilt of the accused. After Rais admitted to the charges on 21 October, the court canceled a plan to torture him into confessing. The transcript, which included testimony from the parents of many of the missing children as well as graphic descriptions of the murders provided by Rais's accomplices, was said to be so lurid that the judges ordered the worst portions to be stricken from the record.

According to surviving accounts, Rais lured young boys to his residences, and raped, tortured and mutilated them, often masturbating over the dying victim. He and his accomplices would then set up the severed heads of the children in order to judge which was the most fair. The precise number of Rais's infanticides is not known, as most of the bodies were burned or buried. The number of murders is generally placed between 80 and 200; a few have conjectured numbers upwards of 600. The victims ranged in age from six to eighteen and included both sexes; although Rais preferred boys, he would make do with young girls if circumstanes required.

I have a friend who was abused from the age of 3 and worked as a child prostitute from the age of 8.

She was abused by her step father at first who was the principle or vice principle of an exclusive private girls school, and a rape and sexual abuse councellor.

Although the links may well be tenuous, they extend to some dodgy psyche practices in Kew, and possibly to the Family of Anne Hamilton Byrne. Unfortunately I have nothing concrete on that. So its speculation.

The bit that isn't speculation is the path ffrom her abuse to her working a child prostitute and really that is a sus story.

I have told it before here or on the board, but here goes again.

She told me she ran away from home at eight to escape the abuse. She had gone only a few hundred metres when a v expensive car pulled up and a classical rich WASP type offered her a ride then money for sex.

At the time bits didn't make sense, like how come the guy offered her money and just happened to be driving by.

But if the whole thing was a set up then it makes a lot of sense. The impression i got from her story, years ago, was that the guy knew she was being abused and offered her cash she agreed cos at least she'd get something out of it. Thats why it never added up. How did he know?

I'm not sure if it was in one of the posts that got moved, but I think whoever made a distinction between pedophiles and child molesters was pointing at something useful.

Pedophiles, I think, do not intend to do harm. They simply have their wires crossed. They respond to those qualities of youth and grace and beauty in children which would be associated with sensuality in an adult and lack the internal censor which says that children are to be protected and not exploited.

But child molesters, it seems, do with to hurt and dominate. They are a subspecies of sadist, turning their sadism on the weakest and most vulnerable victims they can find. They take pleasure in causing physical and emotional distress, in humiliating and degrading those in their power, in stripping them of any vestige of autonomy or self-respect.

And that, in turn, leads back to the question of why child molestation of this sort seems to be associated with people with a great amount of worldly power. It is not merely that they can get away with it, not even that they get some sort of thrill from getting away with it, but that their entire existence is motivated by a lust for power and not by love.

I've read that social positions which offer power and prestige inevitably seem to attract people who desire control over others. No doubt if we gave our janitors the power to order us around, tell us when to come and when to go, and lock us out of our own homes whenever they intended to work on them, the George W. Bush's of this world would seek to become janitors instead of presidents.

Because of this catch-22, I've thought for a good while that we'd be far better off if governments were run exclusively by faceless bureaucrats with lots of computers and no public recognition. The real problem with democracy may be that it acts as a honey-trap to attract the power-mad -- and then gives them everything they ever wanted.

Can't believe I read the whole thing. From an FBI guy that specializes in ritual abuse cases. Excellent lawman like material. One gem;

"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus, Mohammed, and other mainstream religion than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people, including myself, don't like that statement, but the truth of it is undeniable."

Later it is pointed out that sociological studies of Anton Levay’s church found many members that were raised as conservative Christians.

Well yeah!! But they follow Lucifer (principle of indiscriminate change) rather than Satan (the static principle). Christians are influenced more by Satan. Fortunately most healthy people do not worship these so called entities, as it is much more pleasant to have fellowship and positive exchanges with other humans. Still our psychical conditioning systems are structured in a way, such that our connection to the ineffable is inhibited by these influences.

to Luposapien, I have found something else weird about Monsters Inc.(Although I love the film for its creativity) It came out in either 2001 or 2002, and it had all these eliments that tied in with the post 9-11 anthrax scare and security state. Well I know on average at least at that time 3D CG movies would take at least a minimum of two years to make- So how did they pick up on the zeitgeist of a post 9-11 world when the film would have to have been plotted long before 9-11 and Anthrax?

Also to the 1st poster, I belive what was being described was erotic asphyxiation, which is quite different from a Donkey Punch-However both are horrible enough Outside of this context let alone in the Manor described in the Article.

PS I am a big fan of the blog, but please my friends refrain from Blaming Grand Theft Auto games for problems with the kids(I only mention this because I've seen it pop up a few times in the comments) the game is quite intelligent and highly subversive, in a good way, it alludes to CIA involvment in Drug smuggling and political corruption not unlike the stuff discussed here. I sometimes feel the reason the series is singled out by politicians is because it makes players aware of the sort of things the PTB want hidden from us normal people. If you have not played the game do not criticize it, for it is full of much subtext not unlike reading Mellville(yes I am serious the game is truley brilliant) Also much of what I have heard describing the game is either ill informed or highly inacurate even downright wrong.If you can't tell I feel quite strongly on the issue :)

People do things to and against other people in life, because they know they can get away with it. Much of this is due to humanity as a whole residing on a very low level of spirituality, due to knowledge being forcibly removed and destroyed by the Christian Churches. There is rarely any serious justice and most people are indoctrinated to endure all kinds of injustices and abuse.

Synopsis of my cut and paste.It is indeed too long,sorry.

Censorship and controlling the masses.

Is explaining how the churches conditioned.Much like Pavlov did his dogs and how power corrupts the very people in power.Who we have entrusted.So they like an editor on the cutting room decide what is best for maintaining POWER.

Masturbation

More on conditioning and how the church was responsible.Joyce Elders on masturbation and how it could save lives.

Screening

Ignorance of the facts and being conditioned to believe lies.

Society's attitude about child sexual abuse and exploitation can be summed up in one word: denial. Most people do not want to hear about it and would prefer to pretend that child sexual victimization just does not occur. Today, however, it is difficult to pretend that it does not happen. Stories and reports about child sexual victimization are daily occurrence.

this reminds me of shawn moore's (approx age 12) murder at the hands of a state mental patient (troubled youth) who'd snatched him off his bicycle along old U.S. 23 and taken him to a relative's cottage up north and strangled him over and over with a belt to near death while sexually assaulting him (eventually leading to his death). He (the killer) learned his tricks from the main "youth psychiatric department head" representing the state of michigan at the time and then afterwards the story just disappeared down the memory hole. The michigan employed psychiatrist (and department head) at the time was a well known pedophile and to my knowledge was never made to pay in any way beyond his firing, for encouraging and allowing this derranged youthful patient furloughs and release because of the sexual sessions he (the killer) provided for him (the doctor). He apparently arranged for his release specifically so they could "hook up".

starroute: I agree with your idea and feel it's defined clearly in the way most politicians behave as though they are vying for a CEO position and not at all for the opportunity to serve the constituency and represent their (the constituencies) concept of inclusion in the process of self government. They cant seem to wait for the chance to spend the money and weild the power although citizenry be damned and treated like chattel to bargain with.

Perhaps I'm totally offbase and there is no difference between pedophiles and child molesters. However, the few pedophiles I've come into contact with have struck me as overwhelmingly sad, lonely people, deeply wounded spirits unable to make an emotional connection on an adult level.

I just can't picture the powerful, dominating business and political figures whose names crop up in high-level pedophile scandals as being anything like those lost souls.

As I say, I could be wrong. (And, for whatever it's worth, I've noticed in the past that in group photos of the Nazi leadership, Hitler always seems to have that lost-in-a-crowd look, where the rest of them are interacting with each other or smiling for the camera.) But if there really is no difference, then somebody's going to have to explain to me why not, because I simply don't see it.

"I just can't picture the powerful, dominating business and political figures whose names crop up in high-level pedophile scandals as being anything like those lost souls."

That does ring true, doesn't it? Karr doesn't strike me as someone who would travel in such circles, even in the most outer circle.

Since much of humanity organizes itself in societies that rewards sociopathology, and probably have for all of recorded history, I suppose it shouldn't surprise us so much that we're ruled by monsters.

I don't know. Control Freaks don't necessarily feel compelled to rule the world......maybe some choose to create a world in which they rule.

They did say he was booted out of a school in Thailand because he was too strict. The fact they indicated he was too strict leads me to believe he has issues with control.

I think he's a different head of the same beast.....if that makes any sense.

Of course, don't construe this as a preclusion of Starroute's assertion, because I feel that assertion has definite merit. It's foolhardy to avoid scrutinizing and differentiating evil in its many manifest forms. Even though pedophiles, according to Starroute's assertion, mean no harm, they do harm, regardless of their intent, and as such, their act is elevated to the spectrum of evil. Sure, the evil is much less severe than the evil, intended, or otherwise, by molestors, but I still consider it evil as witnessed by the pernicious ramifications.

Perhaps more to the point would be making a distinction between Jeff's ironic use of the term "lone pervert theory" and the psychological profiles that starroute described. Certainly there have always been individuals with monstrous predilections, in some cases with some measure of societal allowance (as in the case of the Greeks, for example--I doubt Socrates' image is much tarnished by his peculiar tastes), but these pedophile rings we've been discussing are something quite different. It's not just a matter of scale, either; the fact that the ringleaders appear to be the same power-obsessed fascists who have been steadily terrorizing the world in the name of national security clearly differentiates them from your everyday, lone perverts.

One thing in all this that puzzles me is the teasingly limited hang involved with each sordid revelation of these rings. If you compare this pattern of partial disclosure followed by stony, enforced silence with the old habits of never revealing anything untoward, it seems that they must be either conditioning us for some larger revelation (or even the open practice of their nastinesses), or simply adding another brick in the wall of fear that separates them from our outrage and indignation. In the old days, people like Hans Globke (author of the Nuremberg Laws which "legitimized" the exclusion of Jews from German life under the Nazis) simply squelched any hint of rumor under the bootheel of money and influence. In Globke's case, large amounts of cash were paid to Adolf Eichmann's family to edit out all references to Globke (with whom Eichmann worked) in the bastard's diary so that Herr Globke could climb out of his bunker to become Adenauer's director of national security unmolested by his past. I'm not sure that this recent trend, which may have started with the case of the Franklin Sex Ring, is indicative of anything at all, but I can't imagine that our (partial) knowledge of this side of our leaders' lives is the result of anything so extinct as honest journalism or freedom of the press...

"Yes, the prospect of a Thai jail might certainly be a good motive to confess and get out of Bangkok - an get over here immediately to recant whatever confession he might have made," said Grant.He was the DA 10 years ago in the case

So we have been fooled and our focus has been diffused effectively.Though this is not a fluff story in its seriousness in relation to an unsolved murder.It does seem to push the right buttons.

The coverage is excessive.

Who controls what we see and hear?

I can not understand how the Jews, making up only 2.5 per cent of the U.S. population, could have the whole political process under their control and in particular could dictate U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, regardless of who is in the White House and which party controls the Congress. What about the other 97.5 per cent of the population?

We permitted the Jews to come into our society and take over our mass media of news and entertainment -- our newspapers and our radio broadcasting networks and our motion picture and advertising industries and then television broadcasting -- we handed them the weapons with which they intended from the beginning to destroy us and now are destroying us.

How do they do it? It doesn't seem possible.

Well, of course, it is possible, and I'll tell you how they do it: they do it with images and myths. They do it by controlling the perceptions that most people have of the world around themselves. The Jews create myths about what the world is like and then generate false images to match the myths. And they project these myths and false images of the world into the minds of their hosts.

Or, this apparent "control" could just be yet another layer in the onion of secrecy that is the nexus of TPTB. Someone certainly wants us to think the Jews control the world, and there's a long list of famous and sinister despots who've espoused this POV to eager masses of easily hoodwinked automatons, but it sure smells like a trap to me...

FYI: David McGowan's book has a chapter on Gilles de Rais, by the way.

As for the presumed difference between child molestation and pedophilia, we are getting into legal semantics here I think (meaning, we are attempting to make a case for different levels of culpability for illegal actions). I don't know myself. Let's see:

ped·o·phil·i·a n.

The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

mo·lest

1. To disturb, interfere with, or annoy. 2. To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.

And elsewhere, it seems that child psychologists have a typology similar to what was intuitited above regardless of the "go to hell" viewpoint.

Quote on a "Typology of Child Molesters" into three categories.

I think that the first category describes our "lost soul sad boy" John Karr above well. While the more psychopathic and sadistic forms of it are the world's political elites--or even (more sickly) simply forms of human experimentation on human psychology, from the Third Reich to the present thanks to the thousands of CIA Nazis brought over illegally by Project Paperclip. Dulles was very much involved in that. I have read in the book Thy Will Be Done: The Conquest of the Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil-- that Nelson Rockefeller who is very close to the Bush family as his proxies was the first person in the State Department to authorize top secret classified hospital beds for human experimentation for mind control, building from the Nazi heritage Marionette "sex slave" projects through coldly applied PTSD. The Nazis were additionally fascinated by the extreme mental IQ jumps of such emotioanlly crushed people, sometimes creating photographic memories and 10x sensory acuity from "undamaged regular" people. You can see why with their eugenics bent that this sexual assult culture "for the good of the Reich and the New Man" fit right in...

I wish Nelson had died long before 1979...anyway... Nelson Rockefeller started up proto Fourth Reich stuff--with U.S. state funded MKULTRA.

From Wikipedia:

Typologies for child sex offenders have been used since the 1970s.

Offenders are typically classified by their motivation, which is usually assessed by reviewing their offense's characteristics.

Phallometric tests may also be used to determine the abuser's level of pedophilic interest.[4] Groth et al. proposed a simple [perhaps over simple], dichotomous system in 1982 which classed offenders as either "regressed" or "fixated."[5]

[Currently, here's what the child psych people supposedly think, though I really woudln't trust Wikipedia farther than I could throw it--though that's another story-- here is what is there:]

There are three categorizations of sex offenders against minors studied in the field of criminal psychology. The first two are major while the third is minor. [The third is what we are plumbing here, though...]

Regressed offenders

[example: Mr. Karr, above; or even the author of Alice in Wonderland, an academic/mathematician really--and a religious as well!--Reverend Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, pseudonym Lewis Carroll. Dodgson had a longing, aching "no touch" relationship with a little girl Alice, to whom he obviously lovingly wrote about in the book (under opium addiction).]

Regressed offenders are primarily attracted to their own age group but are passively aroused by minors (pseudo-pedophiles and pseudo-ephebophiles).

[The other categories of behavior, in this framework, are those more active and seek children out.]

* The sexual attraction in minors is not manifested until adulthood. * Their sexual conduct until adulthood is aligned with that of their own age group. * Their interest in minors is either not cognitively realized until well into adulthood or it was recognized early on and simply suppressed due to social taboo.

Other scenarios may include:

* Not associating their attractions as pedosexual or ephebosexual in nature due to cultural differences. * Age of consent laws were raised in their jurisdiction but mainstream views toward sex with that age group remained the same, were acted upon, then they were charged with a crime. * The person's passive interest in children is manifested temporarily upon the consumption of alcohol and acted upon while inhibitions were low.

Some view regressed offenders as people who are unable to maintain adult sexual relationships and so the offender substitutes an adult with a minor. This appears to be a flawed concept since it would suggest the offender was primarily pedosexual/ephebosexual and they would thus fit into the fixated category.

Category two

Fixated offenders

[example: another literary one,: Humbert Humbert in Nabakov's Lolita?; or the people who run NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)--which features prominently in the networks around ex-Senator John DeCamp's exposure of The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska. The visual record of the Franklin Cover-up was successfully blocked, the documentary Conspiracy of Silence, removed from the Discovery Channel at the last minute even after it was printed in the TV Guide to be shown. Then all copies were supposedly destroyed. One bad visual copy barely escaped total purge of all copies, and was turned over to ex-FBI Ted Gunderson (who I don't know what to really think about) who popularized it. The British journalists who made Conspiracy of Silence had their work destroyed though one copy escaped and is now around the web and at Google Video where you can watch what they successfully blocked ten years ago from coming out.]

Fixated offenders are most often adult pedophiles who are maladaptive to accepted social norms. They develop compatibility and self-esteem issues, stunting their social growth.

"This offender identifies with children, in other words considers him or herself to be like a child and thus seeks sexual relationships with what the offender perceives to be other children".[3]

Such offenders often resort to collecting personal articles related to minors (clothing, children's books) as an outlet for their repressed desires. The sexual acts are typically preconceived and are not alcohol or drug related.

Third Cateogry:

Sadistic offenders

[example--the global pedophilic elite networks of the child sex trade; supposedly, George H. W. Bush, among others. Who else has young teen call boys patrolling his White House at midnight immediately after he's President--ol GHWB. And according to TranceFormation of America by Cathy O'Brien he was overheard to say, in relation to a young girl of 10 or so he just raped, "them squrming around crying and trying to escape is half the fun"; Cheney would be another example if Cathy O'Brien is believable which I think she is. The film Conspiracy of Silence would touch this group as well as category two.]

Sadistic offenders are very rare and inherently violent criminals. They primarily use sexuality as a tool of sadistic suppression and not for sexual satisfaction. For this reason they do not fit within the classification of pedophilia.

Categorization

The great majority of offenders fit into the regressed category.

Only between 2-10% percent of all offenders are fixated.

[And the even smaller number of "out of category" pedophiles who are hardly even classed as pedophilies--more interested in the social domiance issues particularly, or thrill rituals of rule/norm breaking, etc., or hurting others via sex]

Is there a fourth category?

A fourth category I think we can say would be child molestation or pedophilia simply for "clinical" purposes--in cold blood because of the desire to bond children to intergenerational secret society use via highly ritualized sex or for experimentation, aka Nazi human experimentation projects, or projects like CIA connected "Finders" quote above that looks more like an outsourced human experiment. The psychology of various traumas of child sex are noted in one last quote:]

Effects of sexual abuse on children

Many experts believe that CSA is innately harmful to minors. A wide range of psychological, emotional, physical, and social effects has been attributed to child sexual abuse, including anxiety, depression, obsession, compulsion, grief, post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms such as flashbacks, emotional numbing, pseudo-maturity symptoms, and other more general dysfunctions such as sexual dysfunction, social dysfunction, dysfunction of relationships, poor education and employment records, eating disorders, self-mutilation, and a range of physical symptoms common to some other forms of PTSD, such as sensual numbness, and loss of appetite (see Smith et al., 1995). Additionally, young females who are victims of abuse may encounter additional trauma by pregnancy and birth complications. Some studies have shown that much of the negative effect associated with CSA is caused by the negative family environment that is often also present for children who are abused.

A lot of this "third category" and "fourth category" intergenerational abuse is what the CIA has looked into tapping to experiment upon for MKULTRA.

the quotes came from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_molestation

I would conjecture that RI is primarily concerned with the sociological and social psychological third category groups and the ramifications of "fourth category" experiments.

I'm sorry I haven't time for a proper post today, but I feel compelled to draw your attention to The New Yorker's excerpts from the 1996 novel The Apprentice. Paedophilia, incest, bestiality: welcome to the inner life of Scooter Libby.

At age ten the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest.

And

He asked if they should fuck the deer.

(The answer, it would seem, is yes.)

Is it just another dirty book? There's no harm - or not much - in that. Hell, I wrote a book myself that could be charitably described as one, though bears coupling with children didn't occur to me. How about just another disgraced Republican's dirty book? There are plenty of those as well. But this is the long-time Chief Advisor of a man long-linked to covert-sanctioned ritual abuse and trauma-based mind control, prominent features of which are paedophilia and bestiality, writing a fictional account of child sexual slavery and rape by a domesticated bear that could have been lifted straight out of survivor literature.

The New Yorker plays it for laughs...

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...though we had best treat it very very seriously because these people run the world and run it THROUGH these traumatic things, to get their willing slaves and mentally dissociated followers all walking around thinking "I don't want to think about this".

I had "leftgatekeepers.com" in my signature at the Randi Rhodes forum for about 2 years. Today, I received a PM from a moderator which said:

"leftgatekeepers.com posts and supports Anti-Semitism.

The Mods and I consider that website unacceptable, for the RRMB. Would you please remove the link in your signature line.

Thank you"

I replied that I would only remove the link if they insisted. Afterwards, I visited the site to see if I could get any idea what the heck they were concerned about.

Sure enough, there's a new article on the top of their list entitled, "CHALLENGE TO A DEBATE Can a Jew tell the truth?"

Although it's rather obvious from the offensive title, reading the article certainly underscores that fact that it is anti-Semitic, and Kaminski is irrational.

I subsequently fired off an email to the only email address on the "Contact Us" page, viz., janus@leftgatekeepers.com. I complained about the article and asked them why they tolerated it.

Guess what? The email bounced back, with a message "The following addresses had permanent fatal errors [janus@leftgatekeepers.com]"

I smell a black op rat. I have never heard of any other web site dedicated to exposing the left gatekeper phenomenon. (Furthermore, I take it as a red flag for left gatekeeping when a left-oriented media outlet consistently fails to investigate the subject.) Discrediting leftgatekeepers.com will be a big blow to the 911 Truth movement.

Is it just a coincidence that the recent efforts to have activists contact left gatekeepers and have them face up to 911* nearly coincides with this PM from the Randi Rhodes moderator? I THINK NOT.

IF ANYBODY OUT THERE WOULD CONSIDER DOING A VERSION OF LEFTGATEKEEPER.COM, BUT WITHOUT THE ANTI-SEMITIC CRAP, PLEASE DO SO

To continue, this is the final word on Jews. Note that a bit of this must be skipped by non-Jews, or you lose your claim to moral superiority:

It's the bagels. If non-Jews wised up and started eating bagels, they would soon rule, since there are so many of them (both bagels and non-Jews). But they have to be real bagels, not that WASP crap they serve in too many places. (Note to Jews - please stop reading if you're not - Should I reveal that it's really the lox that's the secret? You know, those omega-3 fatty acids that build up the brainpower, yielding financial acumen beyond the dreams of Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, or Warren Buffet...)

By the way, how much assets do Jews collectively own? Is it that much more than 2.5% of everything in the world?

Actually, everybody in the world is Jewish, just like everybody in the world has some African ancestry.

The medium is the message and the brain is just as much a medium as any. I'm thinking cosmic consciousness and the Ramsay thing happening. The moguls liked the story but it is unravelling and will have to be buried even if it means we're back to George Galloway and his insight into the long war. I really and truly want to "tiptoe through the tulips" here but it's time to just blurt it out. Alcohol is the medium that lowers mankind as it lowers his inhibitions. It's a medium long gone overlooked by the moral majority and it's high time we realize that some people can't handle it.

This ties in with the foodies. Those who know what their body needs get what their body needs. They can tolerate a bit of alcohol but some obviously cannot. It takes 7 years to replace every cell in your body but only if you are fortunate enough to practice good nutrition. This is not possible for many as I am sure the left gatekeepers are aware. We don't get economic collapses for nothing.

The war is on. We fight for one human cell at a time. This is what "gird your loins" is all about. This is where Hicks misses the point.

I think pretty much all social organizations are corrupted. Burnt at the stake. Thrown to the lions.

We have become pale, bloodless beings unable to protect our young people.

Too much near the truth they say. Keep it until another day. Let them have their little game. Delusion helps to keep them sane. Let them have their little toys. Matchbox cars and more kid's joys. Exciting in their plastic ways. Frozen food in a concrete place.

You're gonna go insane. I'm trying to save your brain. Alright!

I don't know what's happening. My head's all torn inside. People say I'm heavy. They don't know what I hide. Take a life it's going cheap. Kill someone no one will weep. Freedom's yours just pay your dues. We just want your soul to use.

You're gonna go insane. I'm trying to save your brain.

Yeah you're going to go insane if you're not careful. The Ramsey's have highly paid lawyers. Just like OJ Simpson. The common people cannot touch these immoral criminals. The child sex business is unstoppable unless the predators involved at the highest levels stop it. I don't believe they can. Us common folk are left holding the bag feeling guilty because we cannot rid the problem of children being used for sex. The core of this disease lie at the highest levels of society. Us goyim can only treat the symptoms.

"The war is on. We fight for one human cell at a time. This is what "gird your loins" is all about. This is where Hicks misses the point."

You're not talking about Bill Hicks, are you? (I'm not trying to be funny - it's the only Hicks I'm familiar with, I've been reading his book "Love all the People" right now, and there's no other reference to "Hicks" in this thread.)

Et in Arcadia ego said... "Even after 9/11, most Americans aren't there yet."

Disengaging 'everything-you-ever-knew' and replacing it with even the smallest sampling of RI-targeted High Weirdness, horror-soaked vaccuum, it's no wonder the lights are on but nobody's home..

Most Americans are 'Decent Folk'. Turning the notion on it's head that the world doesn't share your own collective morality(or even that your culturally-established morality is itself a construct), leaves people with nothing to turn towards but apathy.

Simple example: How many women stay with men that sexually assault their children simply because they(believe they) can't afford to leave them? That's an enormous number of women, and that's not even stepping into the SRA bog..

Yeah, I mean those are the 'normal' Bad Guys..

Here's something to chew on in the vien of hugh's nightmare universe of social engineering:

What if for centuries we've had our morality shaped in a way that is calculated to generate an impermeable blind spot in regards to comprehending or even RECOGNIZING child predation..?

Especially by our society's elites?

What if everything you believe is wrong?

FnordOne of the most well-known conceits in the book is the fnord, a word coined by the writers of Principia Discordia and given meaning by Shea and Wilson for Illuminatus! which has since been adopted in numerous other contexts. It makes its first appearance in The Illuminatus! Trilogy without any explanation: "The only good fnord is a dead fnord"[11]. Several other unexplained appearances follow. Only much later in the story is the secret revealed, when Joe Malik is hypnotized by Hagbard Celine to recall suppressed memories of his first-grade teacher training his class to ignore the fnords: "If you don't see the fnord it can't eat you, don't see the fnord, don't see the fnord..."[12]It is a type of subliminal message technique brought about by seeing the word in print: a word that the majority of the population since early childhood has been trained to ignore (and, of course, trained to forget both the training and the fact that they are ignoring it), but which they associate with a vague sense of unease. Upon seeing the word, readers experience a panic reaction, they then subconsciously suppress all memories of having seen the word, but the sense of panic remains. They therefore associate the unease with the news story they are reading. Fnords are scattered liberally in the text of newspapers and magazines, causing fear and anxiety in those following current events. However, there are no fnords in the advertisements, thus encouraging a consumerist society. Fnord magazine equated the fnords with a generalized effort to control and brainwash the populace. To "see the fnords" would imply an attempt to wrestle back individual autonomyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus%21_Trilogy

Fnord is the typographic representation of disinformation or irrelevant information intending to misdirect, with the implication of a conspiracy.The word was coined as a nonsensical term with religious undertones in the Principia Discordia by Kerry Thornley and Greg Hill, but was popularized by The Illuminatus! Trilogy of books by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. In these novels, the interjection "fnord" is given hypnotic power over the unenlightened. Under the Illuminati program, children, while still in grade school, are taught to be unable to consciously see the word "fnord". For the rest of their lives, every appearance of the word subconsciously generates a feeling of uneasiness and confusion, and prevents rational consideration of the subject.In the Shea/Wilson construct, fnords are scattered liberally in the text of newspapers and magazines, causing fear and anxiety in those following current events. However, there are no fnords in the advertisements, encouraging a consumerist society. It is implied in the books that fnord is not the actual word used for this task, but merely a substitute, since most readers would be unable to see the actual word. In the movie They Live, the main character discovers a similar conspiracy when hidden conformity messages appearing on billboards, magazines, television, and currency are revealed to those wearing special sunglasses.To see the fnords means to be unaffected by the supposed hypnotic power of the word or, more loosely, of other fighting words. The phrase "I have seen the fnords" was famously graffitied on a railway bridge (known locally as Anarchy Bridge) between Earlsdon and Coventry (U.K.) city centre throughout the 1980s and 1990s, until the bridge was upgraded. The bridge and the phrase were mentioned in the novel A Touch of Love by Jonathan Coe."Fnord" has become a popular word with followers of Discordianism. It is often used in Usenet and other computer circles to indicate a random or surreal sentence; coercive subtext, or anything jarringly out of context (intentionally or not), can be labelled "fnord".The term is also commonly used by hackers and programmers as a metasyntactic variable.

I wonder if this whole JonBenet thing is part of a wider scheme (well, duh, right?).

What I'm thinking here is that this might be somehow tied into the gay marriage initiatives on so many ballots in the fall. It may take a leap of logic, but this is what I am chewing on right now.

Remember the "babies thrown from incubators" story that sold us on the first Gulf War? Some al-Sabah family member posed as a nurse and explained in some sort of hearing that this was going on. Later, we found out, on some back pages of the newspaper, that it was all PR-inspired nonsense to mess with our heads. However, if you ask anyone in America today who was throwing babies out of incubators, I bet 9 out of 10 would say something like, "Iraqi soldiers in the first Gulf War."

So goes with "Sears Tower" and "Transatlantic bombings of planes." If you mention "Sears Tower" to Joe Sixpack and asked him what was up with that building in the news recently, he would probably say, "oh, yes, the Arabs were going to blow that up." We all know that this was not going to happen, but later we were exposed to the facts, with the real story not getting as much exposure as the initial one.

The initial idea seems fixated in people's minds. I'm sure there is a psychological or mind control term for this, but I'm not well-read enough to know it.

So, here we have this JonBenet story unfolding. We have established a suspect and now we see unraveling before our eyes the sordid profile of the man who confessed. Here we have an obviously gay, effeminate man who admits to child molesting (He's so skinny, does he have AIDS? I heard this being said). Today it even came out that he was seeking advice from sex-change doctors in Thailand. So, you see what we have here?

Gay=pedophileGay=transexual (and therefore, deviant)

Both ideas being put before us will be in our heads long after it is exposed that this guy didn't do it. How will this affect the gay marriage thing?

First of all, I haven't read every post on this board. And I presume what I'm about to say will cause some comments. To raise a distinction, there is a HUGE difference between consenting adults who practice s/m and sexual abusers/predators/murderers. It's partly a common usage semantical/language problem in current American English language. And it's got something to do with the constant blur between the words/concepts of sex, gender, behavior and morality. I had to say something because though my personal sex life is extremely vanilla, I've had the fortunate educational experience to meet, know and read about persons whose CONSENSUAL sexual behavior might be perceived as perversion in the context of all this truly sick, mind control, violent shit that is common, everyday fodder for the United States social grist mill. Yeechhh, child beauty pagaents, now THAT'S WHERE SICK STARTS!!!

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Of course this story is a diversion. Doesn't anyone rememeber the front page story the day befor that is now buried because Kerr's photo is on the cover of everything?

(From Democracynow.org)

A federal judge in Detroit has ruled that the Bush administration's warrantless surveillance program is unconstitutional and must be halted. In her 43-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor wrote -- "There are no hereditary kings in America and no powers not created by the Constitution."

....today on Meet the Nazis I heard the Tim Russert stand in ponderously announce that Iraqis are killing each other at the rate of 100 people a day.He then went on to ask Sen. 'Ben Dover' McClain if he thought Iraq was in a civil war. McClain pondered this for a moment & then said, "I don't think that we're quite there yet. Although this is a critical time."I was a tad disappointed that he didn't allude to an approaching 'turning point.'

Now while it appears that most of the country is pondering Mr. Karr, I've discovered that I really don't give a fuck. I will say this though, TeamBush & their Reality Creation Productions are much better at casting than they are at continuity.

What little brain power that I do possess is having enough trouble trying to figure out just what Mr. McClain's definition of a "civil war" could possibly be.

Please note: I made an error in the original post, identifying Belinda Shultz as the "mystery woman." Belinda Shultz is the name of the woman whose file Joe Calhoun received in October of '99. The California mystery woman is Nancy Krebs. I've corrected the text.

a much better site than the "left gatekeepers" site is http://911review.com/denial/gatekeepers.html"

Thanks, I'll use this link, for now. However, it's only a small fraction of leftgatekeepers.com, and is simply limited to 911. You cannot grasp the enormity of the media manipulation phenomenon by just considering its failure wrt 911.

It's a matter of ritual. Even if the hocus pocus part of it isn't "real"; the binding part of it is, through secrecy and threat of exposure or denial. Whehter or not the actual power allows one the ability to turn someone into a flaming goat or not hardly matters. To progress up the ladder of snakes one must give up the goods. One must get blood on their hands in order to wear the hood. Faith feeds the poor the dark system it defends creates. Thousands at time pour into McChurches to hear the vibrant word of an angry god no longer allowing a timid broadcast for a reach deep into you pockets as well as your mind. Reality will be redefined according to how the true believers experience life in the pre-apocolypse. Like the Ashley Smith who was kidnapped by the courthouse escapee who killed 4 people. The main story centered how she gained his confidence by untilizing principles she learned from a popular faith based book "The Purpose Driven Life." Jesus kept her safe. Though it one would have to wonder if she'd still be alive had she not turned him on to her stash of crystal meth. The Lord works in mysterious ways. The Vice President can shoot an old friend in the face while on a foray into the brush with an SUV stocked with booze and women not their wives and they get away with pumping the story that the stupid bastard should have ducked, and no one felt the pain like the poor, poor Vice President. So, if you are a two bit dingbat a quick clutch at the bible may save your life, but only if you mention it more prominently than the crank you gave to your would be killer to save your ass (it also helps better ink the book deal). But if you are the Vice President, you can shoot people in the face and have a national press promote the story of how much it hurt you. In other words, if you wear the hood, you can go off the margins as far as you want, though clutching the Bible (a la Ken Lay at his trial) won't always save your ass. You have to have some kind of crank hidden somewhere. But if you're just an enterprising innocent by stander who has played the system her whole life, like Ashley, you have to pray to god to thank him that you didn't already wiff your stash. And then you get the book deal. Praise the Lord, and pass the crack pipe. Maybe they will let her wear a hood and participate in a sacrifice or two of her own...

well, despite those who have tried to throw us off their trail in their comments on this article, with their references to Nazi's and as one tried to claim conservative Christians being closer to Satan.I have to say this whole thing of Satanism and ritual child abuse and murder reminds me of the ritual child murder cases a certain middle eastern tribe that claimed they were appointed by "God " to be better than everyone else was infamous for. I AM NOT MAKING LIGHT OF THESE RITUAL ABUSE AND MURDER CASES OF THESE YOUNG CHILDERN INDEED I am sure that it really happens unfortunately, just that I think a lot of us realize even if we won't admit it what it sounds like what a certain middle eastern tribe that shall reain nameless has been infamous for all throught out history.

"The real problem with 'democracy' may be that it acts as a honey-trap to attract the power-mad -- and then gives them everything they ever wanted."

Excellent article Jeff, one that I was waiting for.

Starroute's right-on comment hints at the smokescreen beneath the balloons and glamour of politics.Remember John Wayne Gacy?{short version}

"Gacy was born and raised Catholic in Chicago.In 1971, he bought a house in an unincorporated area surrounded by the Chicago neighborhood of Norwood Park, lived there with his widowed mother and established his own construction business, PDM Contracting. He married a woman he had known since high school, and she and her two daughters moved in with him, and his mother moved out. He became a prominent and respected member of the community. In addition to his clown act, he became a committee member for the Democratic Party. In this capacity, he was even able to meet and be photographed with future-First Lady Rosalynn Carter."

Question:How can a person hide dozens of bodies near his house and not have anyone notice?Oh, and-Just before he was executed in Joliet, legend has it he suggested they could " Kiss his ass".

What seems odd to me is that none of those callers thought of simply targetting Bienkowsky professionally. Nationwide, a number of therapists have been sanctioned or disciplined for entertaining uncorroborated accounts of ritual abuse as a possibility (e.g., Valerie Wolf, Dr. Diane Humanenski, etc.. Such organizations as the FMSF have been on an aggressive campaign to label as many such cases as possible false memories brought on by iatrogenesis.

It would seem that these callers preferred to threaten rather than fight openly. That's not the best evidence of conspiracy, but it is evidence nevertheless.

Like I said in ANON 3:24This was a DIVERSION to make us take our minds off Israel.This was just like the London liquid chemical story.Placed a day after Israel complains about BBC's unfair war coverage.

DNA tests failed to put him at the scene despite his repeated insistence he killed the 6-year-old beauty queen.

The move came just a week and a half after the 41-year-old schoolteacher was arrested in Thailand and put on a plane to the U.S. in what was regarded as a remarkable break in the decade-old murder mystery that had cast suspicion on JonBenet's parents.

District Attorney Mary Lacy said Karr emerged as a suspect in April after he began exchanging e-mails with a Colorado professor in which he admitted responsibility for the slaying.

According to court papers, Karr told the professor he accidentally killed JonBenet during sex and that he tasted her blood after he injured her vaginally. But officials at the Denver crime lab conducted DNA tests last Friday and failed to connect Karr to the crime.

Whenever a feeling of aversion comes into the heart of a good soul,
it's not without significance.
Consider that intuitive wisdom to be a Divine attribute,
not a vain suspicion:
the light of the heart has apprehendedintuitively from the Universal Tablet. - Rumi