Thursday, September 15, 2011

Palestine – no Jews, no gays, no gypsies...

It has been decreed that the impending Islamic State of Palestine will be a Jew-free zone. There is only one method of eradicating 300,000 Jews from Judaea and Samaria – where they have dwelled for millennia – and that is a process of ‘ethnic cleansing’ (ie ‘the planned deliberate removal from a specific territory, persons of a particular ethnic group, by force or intimidation, in order to render that area ethnically homogenous’). As the Fogel family recently discovered, it is principally carried out by means of torture and murder. The state will also subject the undesirables to arbitrary arrest, detention, extra-judicial executions, rape and other sexual assaults. Their homes and places of worship will be vandalised or destroyed, their property confiscated and access to basic human needs severely limited. They will be unable to buy and sell, attend school, find employment or own property. They may even be subject to harassment and persecution by the police and a target for deliberate military attacks. It all amounts to genocidal mass murder, but ‘ethnic cleansing’ sounds a bit more positive.

It’s nothing to the Jews, of course. They’ve been there and done that numerous times – Seleucid Empire 167 BC; England 1290; Spain 1492; Goa 1552; Germany 1941 – to name but a few. Of course, other ethnic and religious groups have also suffered throughout history: Don Cossacks, Greeks, Armenians, Serbs, Roma, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Tibetans, Tutsis, Arabs, Muslims, Christians... The world has bent over backwards to prevent the repeat of such atrocities, and has occasionally directly intervened to preempt the return of such horrors.

Yet here we are, on the eve of the unilateral declaration of the State of Palestine, with a manifest disclosure of genocidal intent, and the world shrugs its collective shoulders. One might expect the TUC, dozens of Israel-loathing Labour MPs and sundry Liberals to fall over themselves in support of the quest for Palestinian statehood, but to see the names of two Conservative MPs is a cause of profound disquiet.

Do they not understand that a Palestinian declaration of statehood - based upon the 1967 'borders' and with the 'right of return' of several million Arabs - amounts to a declaration of war against Israel? How is it that Israel may be demonised simply for existing? How is it that she may be universally condemned for allegedly propagating the very evils which Palestine is seen to do with impunity?

In Israel, an Arab may be (and has been) President, while no Jew could ever be elected Mayor of Ramallah. Yet it is Israel which is the ‘apartheid state’. In Israel, there are 1.4 million Arab citizens with equal rights to Jews, yet there can be no Jews in Palestine. Yet it is Israel which is the ‘apartheid state’. In Israel, there is freedom of religion, while in Palestine synagogues are routinely vandalised and destroyed. Yet it is Israel which is the ‘apartheid state’. In Israel, homosexuality is tolerated and there is freedom of association, while Palestinian gays and lesbians frequently seek refuge in Israel because of persecution. Yet it is Israel which is the ‘apartheid state’.

Discrimination is a social ill that is manifest in Israel just as it is in every nation on earth. It is legitimate to criticise Israel for its failings, but the charge of ‘apartheid’ is a malicious libel designed to demonise the only democracy in the region. Those involved in our universities, which professes to prize knowledge and to pursue truth, are guilty of, at best, extreme ignorance or, at worst, collaboration in the effort to delegitimise the Jewish State and stir up anti-Semitic sentiment on a scale and ferocity not seen since the Nazi era.

And it appears it is to that era we are about to return.

Israel has warned of ‘harsh and grave consequences’ if the Palestinians persist with their plan to seek UN membership as a state. It remains to be seen how Her Majesty’s Government will vote on the motion. But should they decide to support the Hamas campaign of lies and hatred, His Grace’s blog, while remaining resolutely conservative, will cease to be Conservative. Such a decision would perhaps be neither ‘harsh’ nor ‘grave’, but would certainly be a natural and logical consequence.

Unfortunately, whatever the merits of Israel's case ... they have NOT been helped by their current guvmint.Benny Netanyahu is NOT a nice person, to say the least.This has allowed Hamas?Hizbollah to make the running.NOT clever.

Yes, and yet.... If you are detained for any length of time at one of the military checkpoints between Israel "proper" and the West Bank, and observe the way that Palestinians (who have no choice but to cross it for work and myriad other purposes) are treated compared to Israeli citizens, you can understand why the term "apartheid state" has been coined. Not everyone who is pro-Palestine is anti-Israel.

Mr Cranmer said ..."It has been decreed that the impending Islamic State of Palestine will be a Jew-free zone. There is only one method of eradicating 300,000 Jews from Judaea and Samaria."

Sorry, I must have missed that degreee and the stated intent to eradicate the Jews should Palestine be granted recognition as a state.

As you know this is a political ploy to put pressure on Israel to conceed ground in the occuppied territories. No one seriously believes the UN motion will pass.

Washington and Europe want the Palestinians to drop their plan to declare an independent state. The Palestinians say US-backed peace talks are frozen, leaving them no choice but to take their case for a state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem to the United Nations.

Washington has pledged to use its Security Council veto to block the request for full membership.Anticipating that outcome, Palestinian officials have indicated they could table a resolution in the General Assembly that would upgrade their status to a "non-member state" from an "entity". This would give the Palestinians access to the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice.

When Muslims, right from childhood, hear their God speak nothing but ill of the Jews, it’s no surprise that they wish to live apart from ‘those who have incurred [Allah’s] wrath’. And when the Prophet chimes in as well, the believing Muslim has no choice but to listen and learn:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 524. Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, ‘A group of Israelites were lost. Nobody knows what they did. But I do not see them except that they were cursed and changed into rats.’

Stenya, if you had ever lived under Apartheid, you would not trivialise it in applying it to the situation in Israel or at Check Points. Ask yourself why those check points are there? Why are the Non-Israeli Palestinians treated differently?

Largely because they have, over the years, carried out suicide bombings, blown up buses, shot up schools and so on. Plus the daily barrage from Gaza of mortars and rockets into Israel. Are all Israelis Jews? No. Another fact that makes the labelö "Apartheid State" completely false.

a democratic nation 1/19th the size of California, surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil.

How dare Arab propagandists call Israel "expansionist!" And how dare anyone believe them! How can Israel, which occupies one-sixth of one percent of the lands called Arab, be responsible for the political dissatisfaction of 22 Arab countries?

How can the 13 million Jews in the world (almost 5 million fewer than they were in 1939!) be blamed for the problems of the 250 million Arabs, who have brotherly ties to 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide?

We know Cameron and most British Politicians are too afraid to speak up for Isralel's right to live in peace. How much more do these beseiged people have to endure before they are once again fighting for their very lives.

Will these jellyfish statesmen rush to defend Israeli citizens they way they did for the Serbian Muslims, Kuwaitis and Libyans?

No wonder they have sidelined out the British historic hand in crating this state of nations - do our children or even the damned politicians for that matter, even have an inkling that we laid the foundations for the whole thing. Shame on us.

However, it seems that Dreadnaught, Ariadne and Gray Monk have detailed most of the comments Ernst had hoped to make.Well done chaps.BLAST!

Dodo said "No one seriously believes the UN motion will pass." Who here stated it will. It is the mischief it will cause that is the problem and why it is being put forward.

"It's all a little bit more complicated, now isn't it?" Of course but shall we wait and see what all those nice fine chaps in the arab spring will have to say once it fails, shall we?

Just heard Cameron bulling it freestyle on tv in Libya, with a french midget in tow,..."Ich bin ein Arab" hehehe. Nothing to say Davy Boy, regarding the assasination of commander in chief of the NTC, General Younis by islamic militant militia in NTC?

Lets see if that does'nt come back to bite, sooner rather than later?

You describe the worms whereas we say'Don't open the can'

"Proverbs 14:12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man (or extinct bird), but the end thereof are the ways of death."

Was the average Russian Communist under the grip of Stalin represented by the words of the their leader? Did the words of Mao represent the Chinese people?

Are we are so preoccupied with demonizing all Muslims that we risk confirming and strengthening the poison of fanatical Islamists?

As the Pope said:"It is my fervent prayer that a firm commitment to justice and a global culture of solidarity will help rid the world of the grievances that so often give rise to acts of violence and will create the conditions for greater peace and prosperity, offering a brighter and more secure future."

Truthfully I'm Jewish on my paternal side, Spanish Jews arriving in London at the turn of the century, and Irish Tinkers (I'm allowed to use this term) on my maternal side. A veritable mix bag of races and religions.

Well done on keeping your job. A mighty relief in these troubled times.

His Grace's threat to sever connections with the Conservative party will send a chill through their Millbank Lubyanka.

Fortunately Dave's great-great grandparents were Jewish, and Zionist to boot. It would therefore be surprising if Dave betrayed Israel at this juncture.

The same cannot be said, of course, for the Baroness Ashton, EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs, Security and many, many things she does not understand. M/s Ashton was recently in Israel and the West Bank and it would not surprise if her sympathies lay with the Palestinian cause.

As the Pope said:"It is my fervent prayer that a firm commitment to justice and a global culture of solidarity will help rid the world of the grievances that so often give rise to acts of violence and will create the conditions for greater peace and prosperity, offering a brighter and more secure future."

There are two types of laws, the laws of man, and the laws of God.

These laws may sometimes appear to be similar to each other, in some cases, but these similarities are part of a cruel deception.

Everyone of course desires peace, but differ greatly on the definition of same, as well as the means used to obtain it.

Indeed our leaders both religious as well as political, including of course Adolf, and Winston themselves claimed that their own followers were ultimately fighting, destroying, dying, torturing, gassing, carpet bombing, murdering, and generally getting up to all kinds of evil, in the cause of peace. When indeed has this not been the case?

Most German soldiers genuinely believed that they did what they were doing because their own peace loving nation, and political ideology had been needlessly attacked by The Polish Army. The Common German soldier believed he was fighting for his own homeland, family and nation, in much the same way and for the exact same reason that those of The Soviet Union, and The British Empire did.

The main reason that they ALL believed they were ultimately fighting for PEACE, was that they had ALL been lied too, and so were most cruelly deceived.

But there was a more fundamental reason; and this is that they had ALL been persuaded by a variety of means, and over a long enough period of time to abandon Gods Laws, for that of Man.

"THOU SHALL NOT KILL," for example, for those that seem to need reminding.

Although by my own perspective I see the laws of God as not engraved on tablets of stone, but more deliberately instilled in the hearts of ALL Gods most favored creations.

You may note; as parents we know our children do not need to be told the differences between right and wrong, because in their hearts they already know what the differences are. It is just at an early age they still need to be taught the boundaries of Gods given LAW of individual FREEDOM, not therefore the principles involved.

If this were not the case mankind would simply be the current ultimate product of an infinitely fortunate cluster of inorganic rock particles instead of a divinely designed creation of almost infinite complexity and innate spiritual, and moral understanding.

Socialistic humanism, as predicated upon Darwinian evolution demotes human beings to no more then rather over clever animals, as well as a highly destructive still evolving ones at that.

Which bring me back to this statement by The Pope.

Perhaps it is about time someone asked this chap a few serious question, while he is plugged into a lie detector machine.

Like for example.

Do you believe in Darwins Theory of Evolution?

If so, do you not think you may be in completely the wrong sort of job?

Do you believe that a white man is more EVOLVED or in any way superior however slightly, to either a Jew, Gypsy, or Black Man?

If so, do you believe that God your creator shares this belief system with you?

As you clearly believe that peace and more specifically WORLD PEACE is self-evidently a good, and wonderful thing, (see the above quote) which types of means would you completely rule out to achieve such an ideologically insane, self-evidently unobtainable, historically genocidal, and therefore utterly MAN MADE end?

For IMO the road to peace, can not involve any of the methods so far used to build it, as well as any of the methods proposed for the future.

For example the methods proposed by The UN. Which include mass genocide on a Biblical scale; Closely followed by what is best described as World Communism as laid out for our instruction in 'Carl Marx's' Communist Manifesto run under, and by the private owners of, a World Central Bank.

I resist engaging in discussions with you because I often fail to understand the points you make.

I cannot answer for the Pope but the answers to your questions are easily accessible from the Vatican website.

Roman Catholics believe in the actual existance of Adam and Eve but aside from this are open minded on the processes used by God for creation.

The Church's position is 'theistic evolution" or 'evolutionary creation'. Faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a special creation, and that the existence of God is required to explain both monogenism and the spiritual component of human origins. The Church teaches that the process of evolution is a planned and purpose-driven natural process, actively guided by God.

The Catholic view is that all men are each unique and valued in God's sight, regardless of cultural, geographical, intellectual and physical differences.

In terms of world peace the Church recognises this is a fallen world and acheiving human justice in this world whilst unacheivable has to remain an aspiration. This requires men of goodwill to cooperate in redressing injustices and grievances which fuel conflict. The Church also understands and accepts some peoples and nations will act aggressively and that war is necessary and justified in certain circumstances once all other options have been ruled out.

Please, please, please be very careful what not only you yourself personally ask for, but even more especially what you encourage your religious and political leaders to ask him for, in your name.

This because as by Gods Law of individual FREEDOM he will allow you to seek, but dismally fail to achieve it, YET AGAIN.

For as I hope I have properly, logically and intelligently explained, World 'Peace' is not just a murderously dangerous double edged sword which cuts both ways.

It is one most deliberately designed without a handle from which to hold it. Therefore World 'Peace' will immediately cut the fingers off of any ordinary member of society that dares to attempt to pick it up, even if it is seen to have been ultimately achieved, which it will not be, as it has never been before.

WORLD PEACE is therefore an example of double-speak most usually used while preparing and arranging for some kind of WORLD WAR, in this case likely one involving Iran, Israel, as well as soon enough China.

The ONLY road to peace is PEACE. In other words if you want to live peacefully, or ultimately at all, then be PEACEFUL, and spread the message as far as possible, ASAP.

Roman Catholics believe in the actual existance of Adam and Eve but aside from this are open minded on the processes used by God for creation.

I note the RCC are falling short of a belief in Darwinian Evolution, however not by much, and not enough for my liking, and I suggest most of their followers.

However what matters as far as scientific debate is concerned is FACTS, as well as observational EVIDENCE. Most especially if what is still a theory is to be taught as FACT within our state schools, and elite universities.

The Vatican has access to information that would truly blow your mind. Indeed if they DO NOT have a reasonably good clue as to the current thinking emanating from our top scientific and educational establishments then no other body either religious or otherwise does.

The RCC is the founder, and main sponsor of virtually all of the entire WORLDS top universities.

Please note the emphasis on the word WORLDS, not just those of The UK, Europe and The US, but the entire God damned WORLD including Japan, Communist China and Russia.

One might be forgiven for thinking that a power that has had contacts within and without the entire worlds educational, diplomatic, secret services, financial and political establishments since the middle-ages, would have done an infinitely better job of promoting REAL sustainable peace in the WORLD then they most self-evidently have

Perhaps you may wish to reconsider your claim that his Holy Father does not require some kind of lie detecting machine.

After all what has he to fear from such a thing?

Indeed if the people had any sense at all, which they in general DON'T, they would insist that their political as well as religious leaders where plugged into one 24/7 as a pre-requirement to being given the job of ruling over them, in the first place.

Can you just imagine for example. what amount of pain and suffering could have been avoided if people like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussain, Tony Blair, and Gordon Brown had had one permanently strapped on their backs, with a big red bulb clearly visible attached to the top of their heads whenever they speak in private of public?

I can most surely assure you that my own personal lie detector machine has not bleeped even once while writing for this place, even if it may have done so a few times while talking to my wife.

I resist engaging in discussions with you because I often fail to understand the points you make.

Sorry about that, perhaps you should try reading them a little more carefully; and while doing so remembering this.

I am not an academic, thank the Lord, I am a small, middle educated business man, nothing less, and nothing more.

I present a number of facts, as well as my own personal interpretation of them. Your job is to not to agree with either, but to THINK for yourself, for possibly the first time in your entire life.

First by challenging, and then seeking to disprove the presented facts, by doing so validate their truth. Then secondly by coming to your own most probable conclusions based wholly on the evidence you have now confirmed as the true facts of the matter concerned.

I may lead you to water, as your religious leaders clearly have already, but I cannot make you drink of the water, neither do I wish to do so. Your religious as well as political leaders on the other hand have a long standing and self-evident vested interest in being able to lead you wherever they wish to take you, as well as drink of the water only when they instruct you to do so, or for example by most deliberately making you so desperately thirsty that you don't really have any choice in the matter at all.

God, and his laws have blessed you with a plentiful ever giving world, and the freedom to think yourself, or not to bother to do so. This is of course the essential difference between a false prophet and a true one, a wolf in sheep's clothing, or a good shepherd doing Gods work.

His Grace for example, is remarkably good in this respect, as well as notably talented at assembling otherwise little known information. He leaves YOU to come to your own conclusions, so please continue to feel free to do so.

Also please try your hardest not to shoot the messenger simply because you don't like the message. As I am sure you will agree doing so gets neither you nor myself anywhere worth the journey.

My "religious leaders" assist my understanding of Christ and help me comprehend in a limited way some of the unfathomable mysteries of God.

Do not mistake my loyalty to my Church as intellectual laziness or an inability to think for myself. For many years I questioned and doubted my faith, in part because it was inconvenient and in part because of its history. And yet I always knew the Gospel of Christ to be true and that the Roman Catholic Church was His visible representative on earth.

So far as our esteemed host is concerned, we have our differences and will continue to do so. He presents the truth as he sees it. On occassions we disagree. Sometimes we agree. Long may it continue - until he sees the light and returns to the true fold.

A lie detector will only show that you are telling the truth as you see it - not that you are speaking Truth. Only one man was ever capable of this and He was God.

I agree the Vatican holds much insight into world affairs and, in particular, the course of human history. Just imagine the vast store of mystical revelation available to it that it has said it will not share. Centuries and centuries of personal revelations pointing to the signs of the conclusion to human history.

Atlas says “The main reason that they ALL believed they were ultimately fighting for PEACE, was that they had ALL been lied too, and so were most cruelly deceived.” I have just finished reading John Pilger’s book “The New Rulers of the World” which makes the same point and argues that we are continually being lied to today. For example we are told that we are in Afghanistan to defeat terrorism but Pilger suggests that the reason is that America wants a pipeline from central Asia through Afghanistan because otherwise the only other routes are Russia, China or Iran. That sounds to me like a more logical reason than what our politicians of different parties tell us.

However, I don’t understand Atlas’s reference to a lie detector test. The Pope’s quote did not appear to me to argue for undirected evolution or even for any form of evolution. I think Atlas, you need to answer a couple of questions i.e. Do you believe God Created everything instantaneously? If not, do you believe he created everything over 6 days? If so how were the days before the creation of the sun and the moon measured.? You also say the “RCC are falling short of a belief in Darwinian Evolution, however not by much, and not enough for my liking.” I’d be grateful Atlas if you could give a bit more detail on that so that I can understand your position. Our universities may have been founded by the Catholic Church but in the modern day they are very much controlled by Pilger’s “New Rulers of the World” such as organization like Monsanto which promotes the use of GM crops and bribes scientists to lie about their efficacy and deny critical research about them.

As for "Lie Detectors"THERE IS NO SUCH THING.There are STRESS detectors, which work, but a consummate liar like T. Bliar, would pass easily.

And Atlas: My "religious leaders" assist my understanding of Christ and help me comprehend in a limited way some of the unfathomable mysteries of God. TRANSLATIONMy self-selected, self-elected unrepresentative promulgators of [ Insert name of appropriate Sky Fairy here ] assist my understanding of [ Insert as before ] help me swallow in my limited way the bullshit surrounding the myth/legend/lie of [ Insert as before ]

IG If by 'non scene' you mean not in your face and not jumping up and down demanding equality in every walk of life to practise their perversion, then I also have no problem with these people. When it comes to Gays, Muslims and other immigrants my position has only hardened when I have been forced to accept ridiculous 'hate crime' laws coupled with outrageous 'rights' afforded these people. Up until the mid nineties I was very Liberal with my views on these things. Social engineering is a bad thing especially when it changes the very fabric of a nation.

A huge misunderstanding of the situation. Ethnic Cleansing has already happened – many of the Jewish only settlements and roads (which are official Israeli policy) have resulted in thousands of Palestinians being displaced from their legally held land. And all of the settlements are a violation of the 4th Geneva Convention, which prevents an occupying nation from moving its population into the occupied area.

‘There is only one method of eradicating 300,000 Jews from Judaea and Samaria – where they have dwelled for millennia’ – not true – they are moving into areas which were legally owned by Palestinians. Also incorrect – many will not be moved, as numerous areas will be subject to ‘land swaps’ precisely to allow settlers to stay in the land they have occupied.

Sadly, ‘do to others as you would have them do to you’ seems likely to be true – that Palestine is likely to create ‘Jew free’ areas, just as Israel has done with illegal Palestinian free areas.

‘The state will also subject the undesirables to arbitrary arrest, detention, extra-judicial executions, rape and other sexual assaults. Their homes and places of worship will be vandalised or destroyed, their property confiscated and access to basic human needs severely limited. They will be unable to buy and sell, attend school, find employment or own property. They may even be subject to harassment and persecution by the police and a target for deliberate military attacks. It all amounts to genocidal mass murder, but ‘ethnic cleansing’ sounds a bit more positive.’

So, that is what you claim will be Palestinian policy – on what basis? If there is credible evidence then publish it. If there is no credible documented evidence I suggest you withdraw this scurrilous attack and apologise. Truth matters, especially to Christians, and if this is not truth – as I believe it is not – then it demeans your blog, and your reputation.

And Palestinians are not equal citizens in Israel. They are subject to many restrictions and controls that Jews are not subject to. Have you never heard of families being separated because of husband and wife not being allowed to live in the same area? Have you ever heard of the ‘right of return’ which applies only to Jews, so any Jew anywhere can immigrated to Israel, while Palestinians do not have this right? Have you never heard of Palestinians being denied residency permits to continue to live in Jerusalem, where they were born, and have lived for years?

Time to get some facts straight, and to reject the Israeli propaganda machine!

I'm short of time but by what belligerent act did Israel acquire The Territories?

Answer: by war waged by the surrounding Arab countries!

That was 1967. In 1948 after the Arabs had refused a state, similar belligerence was carried out by Arabs and it resulted in Jordan's illegal and belligerent occupation of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria.

Where was the Arab demand for a state then?

Why did Arabs refuse a state so many times?

Try this: who was a great friend of Hitler and a great influence on those Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians"?

You have it right. If a Gay Scene individual enters the room, the Inspector has to leave; can’t be putting up with the special rights rot he (…or she…) will be coming out with. It seems the more liberal this country becomes, the more agendas selfish and unappealing specialist interest groups force down our throats. The Inspector looks back to a time when everybody minded their own business, and just got on with it. A sort of mass politeness really. Just goes to show how advantageous an almost homogenous society was…

The Muslims are the worst of the lot. We, of course, are beneath their contempt, merely being kaffir to them. Their special interests will ultimately end in a demand for their own Islamic homeland in the UK. The Inspector can’t see even our spineless politicians agreeing to that (...or can he ?...).

“Do you believe that a white man is more EVOLVED or in any way superior however slightly, to either a Jew, Gypsy, or Black Man?”

Consider this, ponderous one, the only equality of man is before God. Everything else is down to IQ, and (worthwhile) culture. That includes achievements like science, architecture and at the end of it, sheer willing to improve. The Inspector also include jews in the definition of Western advancement, as a matter of course.

Still don’t believe ? Well if you have a bit of time on your hands, get yourself down to Africa and try and stop some of our ‘equals’ circumcising their daughters with a rusty tin lid...

Your write: 'In Israel, an Arab may be (and has been) President, while no Jew could ever be elected Mayor of Ramallah'. Concerning the first part of your sentence, please note there has never been an Arab President in Israel. We have Arab MKs (members of parliament) and over the years we have also had a few Arab ministers, but never a President, or Prime Minister. Regarding the second part of your sentence, you are right, no Jew will ever be elected mayor of Ramallah since the Palestinians have just announced that Palestine will be Jew free.

Majalli Wahabi is an Israeli Druze politician who currently serves as a member of the Knesset for Kadima. He has held the positions of Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, and briefly became Israel's Acting President due to Moshe Katzav's leave of absence and Dalia Itzik's trip abroad in February 2007, making him the first non-Jew to act as Israel's head of state.

From behind a desk topped by a miniature model of Palestine’s hoped-for blue United Nations chair, Ambassador Abdullah Abdullah spoke to The Daily Star Wednesday about Palestine’s upcoming bid for U.N. statehood.

The ambassador unequivocally says that Palestinian refugees would not become citizens of the sought for U.N.-recognized Palestinian state, an issue that has been much discussed. "They are Palestinians, that’s their identity,” he says. "But … they are not automatically citizens.”

This would not only apply to refugees in countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or the other 132 countries where Abdullah says Palestinians reside. Abdullah said that "even Palestinian refugees who are living in [refugee camps] inside the [Palestinian] state, they are still refugees. They will not be considered citizens.” (...)

http://europenews.dk/en/node/47368

So which Palestinians will become citizens of Palestine. It seems none.

The only reason I can think for such a statement is that the refugees have to be kept as "refugees" to use in the further destruction of Israel. These are the "refugees", who supposedly will insist on the right of return to Tel Aviv etc.

G. Tingey said... "My "religious leaders" assist my understanding of Christ and help me comprehend in a limited way some of the unfathomable mysteries of God."

TRANSLATIONMy self-selected, self-elected unrepresentative promulgators of [ Insert name of appropriate Sky Fairy here ] assist my understanding of [ Insert as before ] help me swallow in my limited way the bullshit surrounding the myth/legend/lie of [ Insert as before ]Mug.

Yes, Mr Blofeld, facts are facts and there is no argument about the fact that MK Whbee acted as temporary president for one week – I should have added this to my first comment – mea culpa. However, his Grace wrote ‘In Israel, an Arab may be (and has been) President…’ If you did not know (and honestly, how many people would know, or remember this fact) would you, reading this sentence, not have taken it for granted that an Israeli Arab had been a full-term President? This is what the sentence implies, in my opinion. The fact that you bothered to check this up is commendable. Thank you for taking the time to comment on my comments! Shalom and best wishes.

I would like to inform our southern cousins that there are other places in Scotland with equally clear and poetic language. Here's a snippet from McGuinty's Meal an' Ale:

Mis McGinty she went but the hooseThe wae was dark an crookitShe fell heelster goudie ower the pig for it she niver lookitAn' she let oot a skirl that wad hae paralysed a teuchetAt McGinty's meal an' ale whar the pig gaed on a spree

I can't see Cammo voting for this - the UN own the bloody place anyhow. Is it just me or has the UN gone way over its remit in virtually every aspect of its activities? I seem to remember it as a fairly benign function but now it gets opinionated about stuff which frankly aren't its concern and fail to do their basic function of food & medicine in any effective manner at all. Bring back the days of Perez de Cuellar...ho hum - NGOs can be meddlesome.

The UN is the organ of the New World Order. They use public money to pay beaurocrats huge salaries and perform some humanitarian functions to give themselves credibility. On the other hand and hidden behind the mask of respectability, they force sterilization, abortion and other evils on the most helpless people. We have to wake up to the indoctrination. We should leave the UN and give the money to those organizations which have displayed centuries of humanitarian work among the poorest of the poor.

Given the rabid loathing of the homosexual minority show in these pages, I would have thought that all your correspondents would LURVE a Palestinian state.Especially as women will be in a properly sunservient position as well ....

About His Grace:

Archbishop Cranmer takes as his inspiration the words of Sir Humphrey Appleby: ‘It’s interesting,’ he observes, ‘that nowadays politicians want to talk about moral issues, and bishops want to talk politics.’ It is the fusion of the two in public life, and the necessity for a wider understanding of their complex symbiosis, which leads His Grace to write on these very sensitive issues.

Cranmer's Law:

"It hath been found by experience that no matter how decent, intelligent or thoughtful the reasoning of a conservative may be, as an argument with a liberal is advanced, the probability of being accused of ‘bigotry’, ‘hatred’ or ‘intolerance’ approaches 1 (100%).”

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The cost of His Grace's conviction:

His Grace's bottom line:

Freedom of speech must be tolerated, and everyone living in the United Kingdom must accept that they may be insulted about their own beliefs, or indeed be offended, and that is something which they must simply endure, not least because some suffer fates far worse. Comments on articles are therefore unmoderated, but do not necessarily reflect the views of Cranmer. Comments that are off-topic, gratuitously offensive, libelous, or otherwise irritating, may be summarily deleted. However, the fact that particular comments remain on any thread does not constitute their endorsement by Cranmer; it may simply be that he considers them to be intelligent and erudite contributions to religio-political discourse...or not.

The Anglican Communion has no peculiar thought, practice, creed or confession of its own. It has only the Catholic Faith of the ancient Catholic Church, as preserved in the Catholic Creeds and maintained in the Catholic and Apostolic constitution of Christ's Church from the beginning.Dr Geoffrey Fisher, Archbishop of Canterbury, 1945-1961

British Conservatism's greatest:

The epithet of 'great' can be applied only to those who were defining leaders who successfully articulated and embodied the Conservatism of their age. They combined in their personal styles, priorities and policies, as Edmund Burke would say, 'a disposition to preserve' with an 'ability to improve'.

I am in politics because of the conflict between good and evil, and I believe that in the end good will triumph.Margaret Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher LG, OM, PC, FRS.(Prime Minister 1979-1990)

We have not overthrown the divine right of kings to fall down for the divine right of experts.Harold Macmillan, 1st Earl of Stockton, OM, PC.(Prime Minister 1957-1963)

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.Sir Winston Churchill, KG, OM, CH, TD, FRS, PC (Can).(Prime Minister 1940-1945, 1951-1955)

I am not struck so much by the diversity of testimony as by the many-sidedness of truth.Stanley Baldwin, 1st Earl Baldwin of Bewdley, KG, PC.(Prime Minister 1923-1924, 1924-1929, 1935-1937)

If you believe the doctors, nothing is wholesome; if you believe the theologians, nothing is innocent; if you believe the military, nothing is safe.Robert Cecil, 3rd Marquess of Salisbury, KG, GCVO, PC.(Prime Minister 1885-1886, 1886-1892, 1895-1902)

I am a Conservative to preserve all that is good in our constitution, a Radical to remove all that is bad. I seek to preserve property and to respect order, and I equally decry the appeal to the passions of the many or the prejudices of the few.Benjamin Disraeli KG, PC, FRS, Earl of Beaconsfield.(Prime Minister 1868, 1874-1880)

Public opinion is a compound of folly, weakness, prejudice, wrong feeling, right feeling, obstinacy, and newspaper paragraphs.Sir Robert Peel, Bt.(Prime Minister 1834-1835, 1841-1846)

I consider the right of election as a public trust, granted not for the benefit of the individual, but for the public good.Robert Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool.(Prime Minister 1812-1827)

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.The Rt Hon. William Pitt, the Younger.(Prime Minister 1783-1801, 1804-1806)