If the overheard by Arya conversation between Varys and Illyrio in the dragon crypt(was it?) is any indication, they were planning to bring the Targaryans back to Westeros, once they had more than a halesar in their camp.

Bronn fighting on the Lannister's sides makes no sense. He knows the writing is on the wall and tells that battle is lost. Instead of running away or siding with Daenerys, he stays and fights by Jaime's side. Not that I am complaining but…

Wait… so He is totally removed from the series? wtf.. I heard the series is past the books currently. It feels like the show has dropped in its writing, dialogue and story a bit the last two seasons and that some of the choices for plot seemed weird to be frank. Do you happen to know when the series went past the books?

The series went past the books on Season 5 with Jon's death on Castle Black. Literally everything afterwards was original to the show.

I have a feeling that they cut out Aegon as well as Lady Stoneheart because their storylines in the books are still open and either they didn't knew what to do with it, or they were forbidden by Martin to use them.

You're not missing out on anything worth the reading/watching time by sticking to the show after first three books though, as Anon → >>836340 implies by "welcome to books 4 & 5" there's a whole lotta of cr*p in past two installments that got scrapped in adaptation for a good reason. Fake Aegon being one of the major omissions.

Technically it's #16 even, but there was a whole thread with 325 replies that mod deleted while it was still on Page 3 for some unexplainable reason and no one managed to archive it, so we're pretending that thread didn't happen :)

Wasn't it only founded by former slaves like a thousand years ago or something? Makes sense that their descendants fifty generations later would rather maximize the profits by being involved in the most relevant trade in Essos rather than being attached to ancient tradition. They're bankers, not some proud knightly order

That one was most likely random, but I've noticed that the one saying "Your people can't fight" to Tyrion while Drogon was incinerating Lannister army is the same guy who took Kitlet's sword when he arrived at Dragonstone. Probably the Blood Rapist or some other high ranking Dothrak

Dorne was never an A player in the mythos so i'm fine with the show treating them as C players, Oberyn excepted of course.

Still not sure why Queen Fatass sailed right past Sunspear on her way to Dragonstone though. Leave the Unsullied there and have them sail to Casterly Rock while the Dornish army meet up with the Tyrell army and march on King's Landing.

The Greyjoys/Dothraki can take Storm's End and Dany and the other half of the Dothraki can land on Dragonstone and provide protection.

That bit with Casterly Rock could be skipped altogether and Unsullied put to better use. If KL falls then it's just a formality to march west and take it from the feeble Lannister garrison there. Come to think of it, Dragonstone doesn't have much importance either besides

Euron on his to finger Cerseis bum and Greyworm going to Casterly Rock would have needed to pass each other to do so

So did the hacks not realize this or did Euron let them pass unmolested just cause, or because the unsullied need to be intact and Euron and his fleet must be dragonfired and the hacks said fuck it and didnt bother to come up with a reason as to why they wouldnt?

The plan seemed to be to allow the Unsullied to take Casterly Rock and then burn their ships as they lay in anchor in harbour with skeleton crews at best. Zero chance of defeat that way but also minimal casualties on the Unsullied enemy.

Should have attacked the Unsullied at sea and killed the lot of them then and there. Clearly Euron's fleet was at best a couple hours behind them and it seems they wanted it that way. Why? Because it's more dramatic that way i suppose.

This is so fucking stupid, if dragons were this pathetically defenseless how did the Targaryens conquer Westeros so easily with just three dragons in the past, we're supposed to believe nobody in all the seven kingdoms thought to use siege weapons against them before? It's not exactly a revolutionary new technology. I was under the impression their scales were harder than any man-made armor barring maybe Valyrian steel. Do D&D at least give us some exposition as an excuse for this shit like "ahh we're lucky the dragons are still adolescent, if they were fully grown nothing would pierce their hide"?

What she should have done is to fly to the red keep and torch it. That would be the correct use of a dragon. Then you demand the surrender of the City Guard who will probably take command.

Instead she and her army were telerported in the middle of westeros, between KL and Highgarden. Granted I might believe that Jamie could be surprised by her, because she could have used the dragon to scout and attack scouts who witnessed the landing of the Dothraki.

I'd be happy with the explanation that bolts have Valyrian steel heads, it would give them the balance that they seriously need. The only other way to do it would be for Cersei to only build a few ballista, which doesn't make doesn't make any sense at all (but will probably be what they go with).

>This is so fucking stupid, if dragons were this pathetically defenseless how did the Targaryens conquer Westeros so easily with just three dragons in the past

They didn't, iirc my lore correctly they didn't conquer Dorne and one of their dragons was killed by an arrow trying.

You're right though in a world with dragons and magic they wouldn't just rely on standard swords and shields, they would have developed powerful anti-dragon ballista long ago. If this play out "realistically" the Lannisters would have got word from their scouts about the Dothraki army and Dragons approaching, built up a defense in Highgarden, shot down the dragons with a shed load of bolts. The end.

I don't have a problem that unrealistic things happen in a story because of drama but the show invites the criticism when one minute it goes from Bron talking about the realism of fights that people aren't told about, to the next the Lannisters have no scouts and can't get word of a huge army approaching them from miles away. If you're going full on fantasy trash fiction as GoT does then don't have your characters start talking about realism.

>Does nothing but tell people what she wants and expects it to happen because it's always been ending up happening.

>Asks someone for help with something because she doesn't know how to do anything else except telling people what she wants.

>That someone was a slave who she freed just because, who basically re-enslaved herself to her because she had nowhere else to go.

Slightly later…

>Asks Jon Snow, someone she's personally threatened with imprisonment and war and who's also an actual tactician, skilled fighter and leader in battle, what she needs to do.

Even later…

>Goes into battle with a bunch of war-crazy illegal immigrants savages from the East who were stupid enough to not to try to capture/enslave/rape/kill her after she walked away from a burning building naked and unarmed after just killing their leaders.

>"Fight" with them by perpetually keeping her distance from the battle while unarmoured and riding on an OP creature that was basically given to her because of the first line above and get surprised when the richest and most powerful family in Westeros actually prepared something against it once they heard that she was coming.

Also…

>Bring only one dragon because "LOL I'm so OP, I don't need the other two, so I actively had them not follow this one even if they normally just usually go along with whatever this one is doing anyway".

I just hope that they won't call to attention on how the Kingslayer wasn't able to kill her just because of some Eowyn "I am no man" bullshit. Now that's making it too obvious that she's a precious princess who got everything she got throughout the entire show was just because she was a) a woman; and b) of Targaryen blood and not because of anything she actually did. Her whole rise to power even reads like a supervillain origin story.

>to the next the Lannisters have no scouts and can't get word of a huge army approaching them from miles away. If you're going full on fantasy trash fiction as GoT does then don't have your characters start talking about realism.

Tbh I can sort of forgive that. Allow me to be Devil's Advocate.

>Flying creature is an excellent scout and scout killer (probably kills their morale if not outright kills them, I mean would you if you see a dragon follow where they are going)

>an army consisting of only light cavalry is fast and are also natural scout killers

>dan carlin told me mongols moved like a modern army and therefore were much more dynamic and maneuverable than medieveal ones

>can move much faster than a standing infantry army

I buy it. Especially if the fight was near King's Landing, not close to High Garden.

>>That someone was a slave who she freed just because, who basically re-enslaved herself to her because she had nowhere else to go.

Missandei is probably going to be rich as fuck, because of her employment to Dany.

>Bring only one dragon because "LOL I'm so OP, I don't need the other two, so I actively had them not follow this one even if they normally just usually go along with whatever this one is doing anyway".

I think that was, because everyone told her she shouldn't use nukes, I mean dragons.

You would need a scene of them saying they lost contact with their scouts but just the act of losing contact would tell them something is wrong so they wouldn't be surprised.

Given where Dragon Stone is and where High Garden is a sneak attack would be pretty much impossible. It's the same thing that happened with Ramsey, hack writers think that battles are fought by two huge armies blindly marching into each other. It works as drama just don't have your characters talking about realism as they engage in completely unrealistic scenarios.

The goal of the Targs is to enslave Westeros but since Dany calls it freedom it's good.

You could draw parallels with other Leftist nerd fiction like Star Wars, the Dragons are the Death Star and Dany is Tarkin. Same thing but Leftist thought is entirely informed by desert tribal politics so they can't understand this.

Former Valyrian slaves. They also share a city with a cult of magical assassins that also hate slavery. Braavos has plenty of reasons to hate Targarians; Dragons, descended from a race of wizards that enslaved half the continent before blowing up, blowing up a chunk of the continent and spreading zombie-leprosy, stealing precious shekels to line dragon pits with and so on. The point is that they made up a new reason, instead of just saying "we're accountants and dragons are bad for commerce. We can make money from conventional war, but magic and fantasy beasts, that shit's got to go."

>Braavos has plenty of reasons to hate Targarians; Dragons, descended from a race of wizards that enslaved half the continent before blowing up, blowing up a chunk of the continent and spreading zombie-leprosy, stealing precious shekels to line dragon pits with and so on.

This is all too complex and makes the story too grey, they need a black and white story of noble Targ dragons saving the world from slavery.

She pretty much already metaphorically "lives like a queen" who just happens to serve an actual one. Although, the only thing keeping things that way is her boss staying a boss.

Speaking of her, I highly doubt that "many things" could have possibly happened between her and a eunuch considering the latter's condition. Even if one gets imaginative his condition still greatly limits anything that could have gone on.

>She didn't want a bloodbath like her advisors advised her.

Didn't they advise against using it on populated areas because of the collateral damage? This attack was 100% against Lannister troops in a large, vast and empty field that was big enough that they had a literal Mulan-style "flood of Huns" scene with the Dothraki. Dragon or not, that field is going to be a blood bath. With those conditions, all the damage from a dragon, potential or not and collateral or not, would be to troops, friendly or not.

Even if it wasn't in that field, with the kind of damage that dragons do, wouldn't it be no different from the casualties that'll result from just sending an army through any populated area filled with both innocents and enemies? Dragons just do it faster with a lessened loss to one's own troops, troops that, in this case, think that their Queen cares for them because she freed them.

When GRRM started writing the series it was more grey, Dany was 13 years old and her only claim to power was being a Targ Dragon Rider from "Valyria", a bunch of dragon riding assholes with silver hair and purple eyes that subjugated the world until they got mysteriously blown up with only a few incestuous Targs surviving..Those surviving Targs being Valyerian assholes subjugated Westeros since their home got blown up.

This is the lore that GRRM wrote but somehow the show changed it into Valyerian heroes trying to save the world from slavery. It went from factional power struggles to moral struggles and that conflicts with what's in the lore. A bunch of assholes trying to fuck each other over to clearly defined good guys and bad guys. Also some shitty Ice Zombies as a global cooling parable "Humans may all be asshole but global warming/ice zombies will get them".

Cersei probably tried to get Tyrion and Margaery killed because she wanted to "destroy" the prophecy that she was told when she was younger so badly. This is also the reason why she pushed her friend down the well.

No, they're assholes that play kingmaker in every land they have dealings with. In addition to lending money, Braavos is a center of trade, shipbuilders, mercenaries and arms dealers. The westernmost cities of Essos are all in competition with each other, similar to warring Italian city states. They're effectively mobsters, but they have their own navy and a cult of assassins, or maybe the faceless men are pulling the strings and the Iron Bank is their public face. Lys, where Varys is from, has their own bank and shit.

Littlefinger was Braavosi, or maybe his family was, I can't remember. His big plot is backed by money from the Iron Bank and he could very well be an agent of theirs. The reason that the Seven Kingdoms is in debt is because he played middleman to the Iron Bank while Robert was still alive, making himself rich in the process. The show has him removed from all the Braavosi stuff, scheming extra bowls of soup from the northmen.

>break the wheel by restoring my right to the throne as a valerian conquer

only a leftard or jew could write this trash.

only a complete goy could accept it.

I'm not even a GoT fag everything I know about the lore I learned from watching some short clips of the bluray extras and skimming a few wiki articles yet I seem to understand the show better than it's hardcore fans.

I read that when I was a wee little lad. Didn't like Fitz being a cuck and he should have fugged the twink fool tbh. The magic ship stuff was also weird, iirc there was a pirate who fell in love with a whore. Women can't write male characters at all.

ASOIAF isn't worth reading because of how padded it is and it's unfinished, but there are some neat stuff in there, hence to relieve my blue balls I want to read something similair but shorter and finished.

Must have missed that line, I assumed since Bronn got paid out of the wagon and Tarly wanted to flog the men to get them moving faster that the loot train was full of gold (and D&D even call it the "loot train" which implies its gold and other valuables).

It's a bad thing because you have to take the medium into consideration when you write. A little girl ninja dancing around a big ugly dyke and besting her in combat works in animation and to some extent in ridiculous live action but not in GoT.

Westeros is fucking massive and would be very susceptible to linguistic drift. The North was never conquered by the Andals and wouldn't even be speaking in their language group, and just because a language is the same on paper doesn't mean it's at all legible (Icelandic/Faroese, different dialects of Norwegian, Chinese).

The Westerosi peasants should be speaking a multitude of languages and the nobles should speak West Valyrian or something.

If I'm going to create another language, I'll have someone create it for me. No time for that shit. Besides, my country had a hundred different dialects. I'll just pull one from those hundred than create new shit.

So fat dragon queen finally reached westeros? why's she killing lannisters, weren't they defeated after tyrion killed his father anyway? and what happened with those faggy "muh ships" guys that worshipped the sea or some shit? Is that bitch that was ned stark's wife still around as a zombie?