If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Comment

Yes, but when the president has a "D" by his name. you find lying unforgivable, yet with Trump you have given him a pass. Telling.......

The only Republicans I have ever voted for was George W. Bush and only once, and Ron Paul instead of McCain. And Romney against Obama in 2012. All the other times, the presidents had (D's) before their names. Exception, this last election where I chose not to vote for anyone. Wow, that sure blew up in your partisan face, didn't it?

Comment

The only Republicans I have ever voted for was George W. Bush and only once, and Ron Paul instead of McCain. All the other times, the presidents had (D's) before their names. Wow, that sure blew up in your partisan face, didn't it?

Comment

This was how I felt . I wasn't a fan of HRC but I clearly could see she was a better candidate than DJT.

And I saw it exactly opposite. HRC's subtle and not so subtle "Obama's third term" mantra sealed the deal for me. I didn't have a lot of hope for Trump but more than for HRC. I saw no hope of improving the economy under her, and a SLIGHT chance under him. As the old saying goes "doing the same things over and over and expect different results is insanity".

We watch our leaders mouth platitudes, drink expense liquor and eat fancy meals with other world leaders, then pose for the same old handshake photos and mumble platitudes about how productive the meatings; yet nothing happens.

I was thinking the other day ( yes, I am capable of doing that) that maybe Trump is crazy like a fox. He stirs the crap, gets the stink wafting and walks away. Some time later he come back with lowered expectations and closes the deal. For instance, think of all the crap he's thrown at NATO. Threatened not to defend members, told them to paid their bills and left. I read today he's assured NATO members today that the US will honor its commitments to defending members. There's been a couple of other times where I've wondered if his hard-core stance was a negotiating ploy. He's stirred up the Muslim world, waved the BS flag at empty environmental rhetoric, etc. I don't like a lot of his ideas but I think he's going to turn out as a net positive for us.

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise for to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson.

Comment

And I saw it exactly opposite. HRC's subtle and not so subtle "Obama's third term" mantra sealed the deal for me. I didn't have a lot of hope for Trump but more than for HRC. I saw no hope of improving the economy under her, and a SLIGHT chance under him. As the old saying goes "doing the same things over and over and expect different results is insanity".

We watch our leaders mouth platitudes, drink expense liquor and eat fancy meals with other world leaders, then pose for the same old handshake photos and mumble platitudes about how productive the meatings; yet nothing happens.

I was thinking the other day ( yes, I am capable of doing that) that maybe Trump is crazy like a fox. He stirs the crap, gets the stink wafting and walks away. Some time later he come back with lowered expectations and closes the deal. For instance, think of all the crap he's thrown at NATO. Threatened not to defend members, told them to paid their bills and left. I read today he's assured NATO members today that the US will honor its commitments to defending members. There's been a couple of other times where I've wondered if his hard-core stance was a negotiating ploy. He's stirred up the Muslim world, waved the BS flag at empty environmental rhetoric, etc. I don't like a lot of his ideas but I think he's going to turn out as a net positive for us.

I know this much about Trump - if he fired a few people and stopped twitter, I would feel much better about him

He's said that when the liberal media stops telling lies about him, spreading false propaganda, he'll stop tweeting but maintains tweeting is the only way he can get his true message out without the media mutilating it. As far as those he has decided to surround himself with... were you this concerned over Obama's people? Have you ever thought that the people you mentioned above are those he really trusts? That in itself is worth a ton.

Comment

This was how I felt . I wasn't a fan of HRC but I clearly could see she was a better candidate than DJT.

And some of us thought the other way. Could you at least find forgiveness for those of us who do not think like YOU do? I don't care how you voted. Some of you are consumed with who supports or voted for Trump. Why is this your business anyway? I didn't vote for him, but I sure as hell support him over Hillary Clinton.

Comment

And some of us thought the other way. Could you at least find forgiveness for those of us who do not think like YOU do? I don't care how you voted. Some of you are consumed with who supports or voted for Trump. Why is this your business anyway? I didn't vote for him, but I sure as hell support him over Hillary Clinton.

And some of us sure DO NOT support this embarrassing spectacle in the WH.
So, are you "forgiving" us??

True believers can rationalize anything.
Especially when their job depends on it.