This is no joke...the city under Dinkns was a cesspool. Squegee men, piss smell subways, filth everywhere. The city was a shlthole until Giulianii arrived.

You're not wrong, but the subways still smell like piss. And lots of other places, too. Even Giuliani couldn't fix that!

And It was a cesspool in the 80s too, before Dinkins took over. Violent crime has been declining since 1990, the year Dinkins was elected. I'm no Dinkins fan (I don't know of any, in fact), but in terms of crime, we were better off when he left than before he came. I think in spite of him, maybe, but still.

But I do think the blueprint was laid out, to a degree, with the quality of life crimes / broken windows stuff. Bratton himself said they were supposed to have, and were in need of, a conversion to a 'peace time' police force, so he didn't feel they needed the same kind of enforcement going forward. Giuliani clearly disagreed, though.

You're not wrong, but the subways still smell like piss. And lots of other places, too. Even Giuliani couldn't fix that!

And It was a cesspool in the 80s too, before Dinkins took over. Violent crime has been declining since 1990, the year Dinkins was elected. I'm no Dinkins fan (I don't know of any, in fact), but in terms of crime, we were better off when he left than before he came. I think in spite of him, maybe, but still.

But I do think the blueprint was laid out, to a degree, with the quality of life crimes / broken windows stuff. Bratton himself said they were supposed to have, and were in need of, a conversion to a 'peace time' police force, so he didn't feel they needed the same kind of enforcement going forward. Giuliani clearly disagreed, though.

Its a lot easier to say that De Blasio is a liberal as was Dinkins ergo the city will revert back to the squeegees and crime we had in the 80s. I suppose the crack epidemic will return as well. Thanks to De Blasio and his cronies.

You're not wrong, but the subways still smell like piss. And lots of other places, too. Even Giuliani couldn't fix that!

And It was a cesspool in the 80s too, before Dinkins took over. Violent crime has been declining since 1990, the year Dinkins was elected. I'm no Dinkins fan (I don't know of any, in fact), but in terms of crime, we were better off when he left than before he came. I think in spite of him, maybe, but still.

But I do think the blueprint was laid out, to a degree, with the quality of life crimes / broken windows stuff. Bratton himself said they were supposed to have, and were in need of, a conversion to a 'peace time' police force, so he didn't feel they needed the same kind of enforcement going forward. Giuliani clearly disagreed, though.

I am going off memory. I worked in the citicorp bldg at 53rd and 3rd and had clients all over the city so I "subwayed it" a lot. Penn Station was a $hitty cespool as were many other stops. When Giulianni was elected..it seemed to me much of that changed.

I am going off memory. I worked in the citicorp bldg at 53rd and 3rd and had clients all over the city so I "subwayed it" a lot. Penn Station was a $hitty cespool as were many other stops. When Giulianni was elected..it seemed to me much of that changed.

A lot of things changed around the time Giuliani came into office. I certainly give him his due, but its not like eviscerating the squeegee all of a sudden changed the socio-economic climate of NYC.

A lot of things changed around the time Giuliani came into office. I certainly give him his due, but its not like eviscerating the squeegee all of a sudden changed the socio-economic climate of NYC.

If you look at the elimination of the squeegee guys and the cleaning up of Times Square, it all led to an improved perception of the city and did in fact bring in more tourism dollars and business to the city.

If you look at the elimination of the squeegee guys and the cleaning up of Times Square, it all led to an improved perception of the city and did in fact bring in more tourism dollars and business to the city.

Jimmy Breslin once said, "I'll take the hookers over Disney any day of the week." I work a stone's throw away (and live not too far beyond that). I'm still debating it.

But I have no wish to engage in a referendum of Giuliani's mayoral legacy....my only point is to say that De Blasio turning the city back to where it was in the 80s simply because he's a liberal, that's just silly. Reforming the protocol concerning SQF will not revert crime figures back to the 80s.

Jimmy Breslin once said, "I'll take the hookers over Disney any day of the week." I work a stone's throw away (and live not too far beyond that). I'm still debating it.

But I have no wish to engage in a referendum of Giuliani's mayoral legacy....my only point is to say that De Blasio turning the city back to where it was in the 80s simply because he's a liberal, that's just silly. Reforming the protocol concerning SQF will not revert crime figures back to the 80s.

And if you are worried about my taxes, thank you - I appreciate it.

I agree, things wont revert back to how bad they were in the 80s. What is the top city income tax rate up to now? 3.85% ??

I agree, things wont revert back to how bad they were in the 80s. What is the top city income tax rate up to now? 3.85% ??

70s and 80s were the darkest period in the history of NY. People want to blame so-called "liberalism" - it was really the republican war on drugs that turned NYC into a warzone those years. Not a coincidence NYC, which has largely a financial, service and creativity based economy, bounced back in the 90's after the Reagan administration disassembled the American Industrial and Manufacturing economy thus destroying mid-western cities like Detroit and Cleveland. All the industry-based cities fell apart and jobs moved to China and Mexico while the jobs corporations couldn't export like finance and legal went to NY at least for about 10 years until 2008.

Conservative values are: Not spending more then you take in, cutting subsidies. For all companies, having a tax law where everyone pays in,dumping the NSA, Dept. of Education, Cutting the of power of multiple no elected officials. Oops staying out of foreign engagements.

....my only point is to say that De Blasio turning the city back to where it was in the 80s simply because he's a liberal, that's just silly. Reforming the protocol concerning SQF will not revert crime figures back to the 80s.

No one said DeBlasio is turning the city back into 80's because he is a liberal, Crash; He simply has no grasp of what it takes to police the city (if saving young minority lives is the standard..apparently, its not)... As regarding the SQF protocols, Deblasio hasnt even won the election yet and the guns (that were always out there, just hidded because of a pro-active Police presence) are coming back. Read the shooting stats I've posted in this forum. Its a perfect storm of short memories, A new mayor being swept in on the power of the "fro" and the city council and Fed. Judge SHeindlin virtually outlawing sqf and de-balling the cops.

You know who is going to die by the hundreds during DeBlasio's tenure? Many of the "Fro's" who have the misfortune of not being Deblasio's poleez body-guarded "fro".

de Blasio was giving a speech a few days ago re: the 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. He wants a path to citizenship for them. I wonder if de Blasio is going to expand sanctuary city services for illegal immigrants in NYC.