homelessdude:video man: Good. It's about time we start using old school tactics.

I was just about to say the same thing. Enough is enough.

I agree. Beating people you disagree with is the best way to get the point across that you won't make a good employee. The arrest records should keep them out of the job pool long enough for more qualified people to join in.

Consider the sustained attack against worker's rights to organize and negotiate for a better station in life vs. owners, this is a logical progression. We are seeing the beginning of the modern day labor rights movement, I think.

People probably will end up dying for their rights again before this is settled. And, we'll probably come back to it again in another 80 years.

OTOH, I come from a long line of coal miners on both sides of the family and damn near lost a great uncle during the whole Matewan debacle. I know what happened in the mines pre-union. Unions can be irritating but I firmly believe that they are much better than the alternative.

Elandriel:Consider the sustained attack against worker's rights to organize and negotiate for a better station in life vs. owners, this is a logical progression. We are seeing the beginning of the modern day labor rights movement, I think.

People probably will end up dying for their rights again before this is settled. And, we'll probably come back to it again in another 80 years.

The problem is that back in the day the companies ultimately didn't have any options. The workers could pressure their local area with what video man calls old-school tactics and effectively shut down an entire industry on a grand scale. These days it's difficult, if not impossible, to get that kind of coordination. Retail and fast food is particularly difficult to coordinate because if one problem area refuses to settle, the company can just close off that small portion of the market. Industrial unions still have some clout because they can shut down an entire product line. Smaller retail/food stores? The company (nationwide) can just shut down the problem stores until the employees cry uncle. Moreover, you can't get nationwide coordination because employees in right to work states, if they actually went on strike to support employees in other states, would be summarily fired.

It COULD happen, but not like the old days. You'd need a nationwide, subversive campaign to have every worker at every store walk off the job at the same time and stay away for an extended period of time without pay or benefits and the possibility of a lost job. Given the "spreading out" of Americans over the last half-century you would also need a support network for those workers when push came to shove. Back in the early days of union building people had family to fall back on. That isn't the case anymore.

So I wouldn't call it impossible, but it's in the realm of extremely unlikely.

GAT_00:Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

With the caption:A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

Lsherm:GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

Lsherm:GAT_00: Funny, none of that is in the link. Nothing about hitting a reporter, and I saw the video of the tent earlier. Didn't look like anyone was in it.

But hey, protesting is bad, but passing a bill in a locked session in the middle of the night without telling anyone is good. That's real democracy - Republican democracy.

Technically in the slide show:

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With the caption:

A man in an International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union jacket punches Fox News reporter Steven Crowder in the face outside the pro-Right-to-Work tent of Americans for Prosperity, an organization funded by wealthy private donors.

More likely to be true then, but until I see people vouching that this guy is a member of that union, I still refuse to completely believe it. I have no trouble believing that Fox would stage that to discredit the protesters.

When people's livelihoods are on the line, don't expect them to give up without a fight. Gun-waving Rascal-bound retarded Randroids should at the very least possess enough capacity for human empathy to understand that.

Relatively Obscure:log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

GAT_00:Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

Relatively Obscure:GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.

Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.

GAT_00:Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.

Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.

You could have c/p'd that from a Freep post about a different article.

GAT_00:Relatively Obscure: GAT_00: Relatively Obscure: log_jammin: Crowder said "Dana, they literally would have killed me where I stood if I'd of fought back and defended myself after the sucker punch. They literally would have torn me limb-from-limb."

I'd love for someone to point to where in the video that he valiantly fought back to save his life.

DNRTFA or whatever, but I think your quote is him specifically saying he did NOT fight back valiantly and WHY he may appear to be a huge wimpoid to Red Blooded America.

/Shouldn't really attack this guy. It's at best akin to attacking WBC clowns.

I can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy.

I think you can and do sometimes.

Was it smart? Was it appropriate? Of course not. But fark it, those people need punched in the face for what they're doing to the country. I wouldn't hesitate to convict the guy for assault, but these people are the enemy of the country. They are a big force in driving all this shiat that is also driving this country straight into the gutter. A punch to the face is well deserved.

so what you are saying is, you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well. which is all well and good, but be honest about it.

No you couldn't have. No Freeper would have said that it wasn't appropriate or would consider it assault. I'm not demanding we round people up and put them into camps. Fox went there to gloat about taking people's rights away. You gloat in someone's face about how they just beat you, people tend to punch you in the face. That's a normal, though overly aggressive, response in dozens of scenarios.

log_jammin:so what you are saying is, you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well. which is all well and good, but be honest about it.

See above. And yeah, if I went to an anti-gay marriage rally and gloated to someone's face about how gays were going to get married and they couldn't stop it, I'd expect to be punched in the face too.

GAT_00:See above. And yeah, if I went to an anti-gay marriage rally and gloated to someone's face about how gays were going to get married and they couldn't stop it, I'd expect to be punched in the face too.

Oh the dude was without a doubt trolling the crowd, But I don't think "he had it coming". I don't make excuses for bad behavior.

Yes I could have. Sure, many would be as you say, but there are always some who would sound exactly like you just had.

except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

i'm actually impressed the local unions showed as much restraint as they did.

Weaver95:except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

which goes right back to " you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well."

Relatively Obscure:Weaver95: fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse.

Not arguing that. It's still not okay to play punchadouche on some douche doing little more than being a douche. If you can't control yourself better than that, stay the fark home.

that's a nice theory...but here in the real world, when you piss all over people's rights, treat them unfairly and then come by and taunt 'em for trying to set things right...well, it's understandable when they lash out at the nearest target. the provocation from the GOP is/was/has been extreme. having fox news come by and piss all over the unions was only going to create even further tension.

log_jammin:Weaver95: except that GAT has a point - fox news went there and made an already difficult situation worse. the local MI Republicans already antagonized the unions and pissed off the local Democrats. then along comes fox news (and a few tea baggers) to jump in and gloat about how great it was that the lame duck session was used by their hero Republicans to ramrod some unpopular legislation through congress and hey, it's just wonderful to see such dirty tricks used to great effect.

which goes right back to " you can't really blame someone for attacking their enemy, so long as it's your enemy as well."

Weaver95:but here in the real world, when you piss all over people's rights, treat them unfairly and then come by and taunt 'em for trying to set things right...well, it's understandable when they lash out at the nearest target.

tell ya what sparky - you get good and liquored up and go down to your local biker bar. while there, make sure you personally insult each and every biker in the bar. Because hey - why not right? first amendment! whoopee!

After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

tell ya what sparky - you get good and liquored up and go down to your local biker bar. while there, make sure you personally insult each and every biker in the bar. Because hey - why not right? first amendment! whoopee!

After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people.

Relatively Obscure:After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people.

But hey, good job with the "sparky" jab. I can feel the burn.

you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose? because I certainly wouldn't put it past 'em to taunt a bunch of already pissed off union workers just so they'd have something to run in their next news segment.

Weaver95:Relatively Obscure:After the EMTs clean you up and remove that chrome handlebar someone stuffed up your nose, i'll come by the emergency room and pick you up. then we'll discuss the difference between 'theory' and 'practice'.

What I said still wasn't a theory, your comparison is lame, and these hypothetical 'bikers' would still be wrong while I'd be a douche for randomly insulting people.

But hey, good job with the "sparky" jab. I can feel the burn.

you really don't think Fox News might have ramped up the violence on purpose? because I certainly wouldn't put it past 'em to taunt a bunch of already pissed off union workers just so they'd have something to run in their next news segment.

And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.

Relatively Obscure:Weaver95: Relatively Obscure:And again. If you're the sort of clown who reacts to hurt feelings with violence, stay home and don't get married.

And again, that's 99.99% of the human race. to include you, I might add.

Boy, I remember the last time I started a fight by taking a swing at someone who had not attacked me.

Grade school.

properly provoked, you'll take a swing at people too. and if you don't believe that, then you're lying to yourself. especially if everyone in the crowd around you is doing the same thing.

that said, we're moving away from the topic at hand. I think it's likely that Fox News went there to provoke the union workers in order to catch some footage for their evening news segments...then got more than they expected. now...you can yell at the union workers for that, but you'd damn well better slam fox news reporters for making a tense situation even worse. think you can do that?