Originally posted by flobot
From everything I have read, doesn't seem like anything illegal is going on here.

They got subpeonas to get these phone records, they only got phone records of the numbers of ingoing/outgoing calls, not the actual conversation. And
there was no phone tapping, they got these records from the phone company. And they did all this for a specific investigation looking for an
information leak within the CIA...which is a national security issue.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I'm VERY sure that this will be used as intimidation by the Obama administration and by his minion Holder. With Benghazi-gate getting into full
swing ... Obama and his ilk will be wanting to step on the back of APs neck with their jackboots.

Used as intimidation? But but the media is already owned by the left, right? Why the need to intimidate? Soemthing is not adding up. Are you missing
the 400 pound mockingbird in the room?

Hmmmm, just read this article washingtonexaminer.com...
Looks like there is a big donation scandal set to break Monday by the Washington Post. Makes perfect sense now, Obamam is trying to block campaign
fraud. Apparently many of his donations came via prepaid cards and monies traced to Vietnam and China. This could be as big as watergate if he's
pissed off the press now.

The NSA was nailed in 2007 in the previous administration for this but there was also NO terror attacks during that time. It was used, I feel, for
what it was intended. However, the current admin is growing to strong and bold. The Republican party was created to stop the Progressives otherwise
known as the Democrats. The Republicans opposed WW1 and WW2 but TV tells you different. Paints them as war mongers and people cry arrest them for war
crimes. George BUsh ran on a platform against foriegn involvement and did not want to go into Iraq, the UN did. The US went into Afghanistan after
9/11. But people listen more to Jon Stewart than picking up a book.

The NSA was called to task for intercepting calls from overseas to somebody here on the mainland USA.

That's not only NOT close to your example, it's not the same sport.

Snooping the AP's emails and phone records is a direct attack on the First Amendment

I was trying to draw comparison on how it should be used and how the current admin is tainting that and using it as an abuse of power. We do see that
eye to eye, right? I know what the current admin did, is, as you say, a direct attack.

Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting
tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years.
According to the organization’s filings, Lerner approved the foundation’s tax status within a month of filing, an unprecedented timeline that
stands in stark contrast to conservative organizations that have been waiting for more than three years, in some cases, for approval. Lerner also
appears to have broken with the norms of tax-exemption approval by granting retroactive tax-exempt status to Malik Obama’s organization.

While we pay more taxes and health care sure as hell as not gone down in price and the care is #tier, all of those close to the king get knighted. Put
down the Starbucks, turn off the KArdashians and wake up.

Originally posted by flobot
From everything I have read, doesn't seem like anything illegal is going on here.

They got subpeonas to get these phone records, they only got phone records of the numbers of ingoing/outgoing calls, not the actual conversation. And
there was no phone tapping, they got these records from the phone company. And they did all this for a specific investigation looking for an
information leak within the CIA...which is a national security issue.

I just don't see the illegal activity that everyone is talking about.

Subopena??

Do you mean WARRANT?

Where is this warrant? No one has claimed they acquired a warrant.

No, I meant subpoena.

What would they need a warrant for? They issued a subpoena to the phone company for certain phone records, and the phone company complied. They
weren't tapping phones or looking at the phone calls in real time...they were just requesting historical data from the phone company.

You may be right about the media turning on him, but I have my doubts inasmuch as the media is wrapped up and under the control of very few
heads--there is little if any free press left. A journalist today who bucks the system does so at his own peril. Even then, the chances of his story
being told in the mainstream media is pretty slim to none.

Besides the news today is seriously flawed--if not criminally so. I can't handle watching any of it--pretty faces, svelte, well dressed bodies
spewing forth inanities dotted with "appropriate" gestures, grimaces and smiles. Each is a theatrical production with scripts containing generous
stage directions.

Moreover, "news" is heavily editorialized. No longer is the viewer given just "the facts." Instead it comes to us as a story dressed up with
colorful adjectives and adverbs strategically placed in the text. This together with the visuals is all designed to guide us to the conclusions
"they" want us to draw. For the most part, we as a society rarely fail to disappoint them.

In the Western world, the news is nothing but a propaganda machine--to date an exceedingly effective one producing as it does the desired effect for
the "in crowd."

Of course, forums such as this one make one hopeful that not all of society is that easily fooled. Most here observe, read, experience and
extrapolate. Of course, in the process, we may journey down a good many false avenues in pursuit of truth. That, however, is to be expected. I
don't get too upset when we get it wrong. After all, when government and its "advisers" put up all manner of barriers to prevent the stalwart
truth seeker from penetrating the inner sanctum to get at the facts, it's inevitable that we will miss the mark many times over. It's a daunting
maze to navigate. But getting it wrong is nothing to be ashamed about. We do the best with what we have to work with.........................very
little.

An administrative subpoena under U.S. law is a subpoena issued by a federal agency without prior judicial oversight. Critics claim that administrative
subpoena authority is a violation of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution while proponents state that it provides a valuable
investigative tool.

Administrative subpoenas have most commonly been issued by the Offices of the Inspector General of various federal agencies.

In 1996 Congress expanded the authority to issue the subpoenas to the Federal Bureau of Investigation when investigating health care fraud cases under
the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

More recently, the Department of Justice has attempted to expand administrative subpoena authority to terrorism investigations through amendments
to the Patriot Act.

How else are they going to make a list of people for the IRS to audit?

You know, nothing the Feds do anymore surprises me. What surprises me more was my reaction to seeing news footage of the IRS hearings in the Senate
today. My immediate reaction was "we need to run those corrupt bastards out of government".

When I reach that point it worries me, I'm a lot more patient and laid back than most of the public...

The funny thing is that there are agencies that have a mirrored port at every major pop so they do not have to subpoena anthing from anyone, much less
out themselves for snooping.

So what is this story really about?

Personally, I think the CIA and the Obama administration are at war with each other right now and the Associated Press just got caught in the
crosshairs.

The Obama administration is extracting revenge on the CIA for failing to cover Obama and Hillary on Benghazi, so the administration tries to go after
a CIA leak and the only way to do it was to use the Associated Press. Surely, the administration had to know that this might backfire on them, but
they were willing to take the chance. It looks like another botched attempt to get even by the administration to me.

Now that reports are surfacing on the State Department being the ones to supply Stingers to Libyan extremists (which was probably information supplied
by the CIA to the media), we'll probably see more backlash from the Obama administration in the near future.

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