Trust me. This is not a smart move but an over reaction!

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 7:52 PM

Sometimes an over reaction is the best reaction. In light of the soccer incident that recently took the spotlight, I think the University felt compelled to do something until this matter is resolved as an accident.

Re: Trust me. This is not a smart move but an over reaction!

Re: Trust me. This is not a smart move but an over reaction!

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 10:08 AM

Are you kidding me laid-back tiger? You cannot be serious with this comment. I know this family very well and I would venture to say that if the tide was turned, you would feel much different. These things happen because of stupid, senseless activities done by nothing more than children who need the Universities help to get a brain! It's all fun an games until somebody dies!!!http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY#

Why?

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 7:55 PM

What credentials do you have, as opposed to "There has been a high number of reports of serious incidents involving fraternity activities, ranging from alcohol-related medical emergencies to sexual misconduct"?

Re: You're kidding right?

Re: Trust me. This is not a smart move but an over reaction!

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 8:16 PM

Over reaction? There have been other serious incidents during this rush cycle. Now a young man is dead. It is the University's responsibility to err on the side of caution until all of the facts are in.

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 1:26 AM

the Oconee County Sherriff had this to say about hazing "“So far, there has been no indication in the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office investigation that hazing played a part in the death of Tucker Hipps. Once again, the investigation is ongoing. Sheriff’s Investigators continue to work with Clemson University, the Clemson University Police Department and the Sigma Phi Epsilon Fraternity to determine the manner of death in this case.

Frat man?***

Re: Trust me. This is not a smart move but an over reaction!

Per the Oconee County Sherriff Mike Crenshaw "There has been speculation and innuendo, especially on social media, regarding whether hazing played a part in the death of Tucker Hipps."

“So far, there has been no indication in the Oconee County Sheriff’s Office investigation that hazing played a part in the death of Tucker Hipps. Once again, the investigation is ongoing. Sheriff’s Investigators continue to work with Clemson University, the Clemson University Police Department and the Sigma Phi Epsilon Fraternity to determine the manner of death in this case.

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 10:40 AM

Also, this is most certainly not a "shoot first & ask questions later" attitude from those who support the decision. Activities are suspended. It means things are being paused for the moment to get a better grip on the situation. It's the best reaction possible IMO.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 9:59 PM

The false information going around twitter is mostly to blame. Pretty much all the real evidence points to an accident that could've happend to anybody. TH wasn't some scrub who'd let somebody push him too far, he was smart and could take care of himself. People trying to make themselves part of the story by making crap up are the real problem here. But it's not a bad idea to take a break out of respect for TH.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 10:27 PM

I don't know if it is true or not, but I do wonder why a fit kid who was an athlete was struggling and lagging behind. I wonder why when some went back to check on him and admit he was struggling..why did they leave him alone. I thought frats were a brotherhood and had each other's back. If you saw a friend in trouble, would you leave him alone?? And if you thought something was amiss, would you wait that long to notify authorities? That time frame could have been the difference in life or death. And if the others went looking for him, they didn't look to hard to miss the body.

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 10:26 AM

I agree.... All of the articles that I have read about this sitaution say that Hipps and his "brothers" went to run and they didn't realize that he was missing until breakfast. I'm sorry but if you are running with a group of people you will realize that someone is missing way before you get to breakfast. I feel like his frat brothers are trying to cover things up. I believe it has to do with hazing.

Even the Miss American pagent has your attitude...

Posted: Sep 23, 2014 11:31 PM

Miss America Kira Kazantsev was kicked out of her Long Island college sorority after a hazing scandal, she admitted on "Good Morning America" Tuesday morning.

“Under the broad definition of hazing, yes, I was involved,” she said. “At the time, unfortunately, that was just the culture of the university, and I was hazed, and I was kind of brought up through the organization thinking that is appropriate behavior...”

The newly crowned pageant queen, whose platform in the competition was anti-domestic abuse, was kicked out of Hofstra University's Alpha Phi sorority last year after she sent an email ahead of an event to members of her sorority that she said was misinterpreted.

"In the email I made a joke that was taken out of context and forwarded,” she said.

So what was the joke? “That we would make the evening scary for the pledges."

"Kira has been fully transparent with the Miss America Organization about her termination from the Alpha Phi sorority," a Miss America Organization spokesperson told FOX411. "It's unfortunate that this incident has been exploited to create a storyline that distracts from what we should be focusing on: Kira's impressive academic achievements at Hofstra University, including earning a triple major from the Honors College and her commitment to serving her community. Kira is an exceptional ambassador for the Miss America Organization, and we are excited to be a part of her journey as a force for good across our nation, promoting education and service and working to empower young women."

On Tuesday, Kazantsev, 23, published a new post on her blog and appeared on Good Morning America to respond to the claims, which included, "pledges ... called names, berated for their perceived physical flaws and imperfections, and made to perform physical tasks to the point of bruising and exhaustion,"

So, I guess what they think this country has come to is if you are smart you are a winner, no matter that you were kicked out of an organization on college for hazing.

I guess if you are smart, you can treat people like crap and it is OK. Pretty sure the pagent is about character, too.

nothing but good news

Unfortunate situation but no evidence of hazing.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 9:04 PM

I would say it's an overreaction. I'm only going by the news reports but if there is no connection, this is like killing a fly w/an bazooka. Today's PC world leaves me SMH. Let the investigation finish. (Ala Duke lacrosse)

Re: Unfortunate situation but no evidence of hazing.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 9:13 PM

You obviously don't have children yet. If that was your only son lying in the morgue you would say this isn't enough! You need to grow some grey and live a bit before you put your 2 cents in young buck.

it was hazing.***

how do you know?

Posted: Sep 23, 2014 11:42 PM

Serious question. I have kept up with the story but the news isn't going to say anything. What is it you know that makes you so sure it was hazing? Other than the fact it was a frat. Again serious question. What are people on campus saying?

You missed the entire point of the fraternity system...

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:35 AM

If you thought it was selfishly only about getting girls. I was in a fraternity and graduated in 79 and I am still in close contact with many of my brothers who live all over the country; including one who has been elected to the U.S. Congress 5 times.

I get a sense you were never invited to join any fratenity and hold a resentment over this.

Have you learned to READ at USuC yet? Or is that

Frats should use this as a springboard to develop leadership

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 10:55 PM

among fraternities.

Fraternities don't develop leadership qualities when they encourage members to break the law --- under age drinking and worse. Such hypocrisy from organizations that say they don't haze, but clearly do.

Maybe a few fraternities will decide it is time to be true leaders and develop future leaders.

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Posted: Sep 23, 2014 11:25 PM

Whether or not fraternities should be suspended right now is another question, but fraternities are not just underage drinking and law-breaking citizens. In fact, rarely any of them support these ideals contrary to popular belief in social media and in society today.Most, if not all, of fraternities are not part of this "frat" culture, If you have ever been in one or had an opportunity to observe one, you would know what i am talking about. And for your absolutely ludicrous idea that says fraternities do not support leaders, ill let you take a look at some statistics. http://www.uwgreek.com/frat/home.html

Obama isn't Greek, try again.***

"Fraternities don't develop leadership qualities"

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 12:10 PM

I guess that explains why a huge number of our nation's presidents, Fortune 500 CEOs, and other leaders were all in Greek organizations.

Clemson's student government is at least 50% greek despite greeks only making up around 23% of the student population, and presidents of countless non-greek clubs are members of greek organizations as well.

Good point. I should have excluded military schools.

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 1:34 AM

I know that my sons tried to avoid early morning classes in college.

Are we to believe that these fraternity pledges decided to all go on a 5:00 AM run because they wanted to do this? Surely this was some type of hazing. And it took until afternoon for the fraternity to report him missing? Very suspicious. Maybe it took them that long to sober up. And this happened on Monday AM --- the beginning of a #### week, perhaps?

I am SO tired of fraternities being disingenuous about prohibiting hazing and not drinking. Underage drinking is against the law. His frat has a Balanced Man program that talks about developing leadership and accountability. I'm not seeing much of that in frats these days.

For Non-Greeks commenting..

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 9:57 AM

I don't have an issue with those that aren't in fraternities. You showing your animosity towards greeks just makes you look pathetic. Keep your thoughts to yourself and allow the police to do their jobs. Your rumors and attitudes are what's creating negative press towards the university.

Just remember that we lost a Tiger this week, and try to put yourselves in the shoes of others.

It is unfortunate that you only hear the negative side of things. I wasn't a Sig Ep, but I bet you don't know the things they have done for the University. Or the fact that a few years ago they single-handedly finance and built a house for a homeless family in Seneca.

Was on both sides of fraternity life

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Posted: Sep 24, 2014 12:08 PM

President of my pledge class. Many were really good guys. But I eventually left because I was demanded to do something I told them I would not do from day 1. Fraternities do make great contributions to a community. Those don't negate all of the out of control (and often unlawful) actions that dominate fraternity life though.

You're willfully ignorant to believe hazing doesn't happen in EVERY fraternal organization on campus. It's the result of immature brains and insufficient leadership that doesn't understand the consequences of every action. As a full grown adult, I would never join an organization that based acceptance on my ability to endure humiliation and degradation. If you believe that's "just part of growing up" then you haven't yet grown up.

This is a terrible tragedy that happened, but people shouldn't speculate as to what happened was hazing. Yes, those pledges were probably told to be up running at 5 am, if you want to consider that "hazing", but I disagree. Anything a high school football coach would have 15 year olds do, I do not put in the same category as beating someone or intentionally harming them, that is hazing. So yes, they were probably told to be up running, which might not follow every rule in the book, but it is in no way comparable to putting someones life knowingly in danger,and I hope this terrible event was a tragic accident ( as the initial report said), not anything malicious. And everyone should assume as much until any more police reports come out, because as of right now they said hazing was not the cause of death. Not saying they were not told to be out their running, but the sherif initially reported it was a subsequent accident, not the running.

People don't need to blanket blame every one of the 4,000 students who is in a greek organization, many of whom are awesome kids and almost all who would never want harm to befall anyone. The Clemson community and specifically Greek community needs to come together and support each other through this tragic time, and make sure tragic accidents don't happen again, instead of people on the outside, far removed the the situation, pointing fingers who is to blame with no idea of what happened or the people involved.

Thoughts and prayers go out to the young mans family and the Clemson student body

I agree. If the boy was running normally, in running clothes, and running shoes, then it is not hazing. It would have only been hazing if the guys were being forced to run with weighted packs or something like that.

I don't purport to know all the details of what happened on Monday, and if it was hazing related then that CHAPTER should be punished. You wouldn't shut down the chess club because a member of the glee club died and there's no reason to punish multiple greek organizations just because of the mistakes of one.

If there was no hazing involved then officials at the university are taking advantage of a truly tragic event to punish a significant amount of the student population.

The headline was not misleading. Last weekend IFC suspended activities because the University pressured them into it. Later, on Tuesday the university not IFC suspended all activities.

And I think it is important to note that a lot of the "activities" behind suspended are not what people assume. They include philanthropies, many of which raise thousands of dollars for charity, and sober brother/sisterhood events and other activities.

Not having parties out of respect is one thing, and one I think many people are OK with, but the university suspending all activities, including from the organizations who had no allegations is another thing entirely.

Also, in my personal opinion I believe that issues that are this serious should be conducted by the police, the american judicial system, and professionals, not a group of PHD's and grad assistants who have their own view of how things should be done. The concept of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and "innocent until proven guilty" has come up and for those of you that don't know, Clemson does not abide by that. Clemson practices preponderance of the evidence and holds parties as guilty until they can prove that they are innocent. It baffles me that the office of student affairs could have the audacity to say you should hold parties guilty until proven innocent and charge people as guilty without needing proof beyond a reasonable doubt, going against EVERYTHING this nations judicial system stands upon, despite 200 years of refinement to our judicial process by America's brightest minds because a few have been given too much power at Clemson in the office of student affairs.