Europe has a lot more dedicated heroic raiders, but that's mainly due to the player base being older. People don't have to have second jobs in Europe and they often don't have to have a job while studying, so it's kinda expected for the EU player base to ahead when it comes to raiding.

Sweden is awesome too but norway is the best! And I'm not mocking sweden or swedish people (@Azshira)

There is no need to talk down on a mod when you obviously were being sarcastic and mocking another poster. No one has ever called halloween a "Go out of the house and talk to a girl" event. Covering your tracks with the so called holiday when you get an infraction, then pretending like the mod is way out of line, is just silly.

OT: I find this thread becoming kind of saddening with people throwing back and forth what their thoughts of other countries are without too much knowledge of said country. Random facts about income/education/healthcare/time off work/internet MS/time zones etc. to make excuses or explanations as to why so and so has or has not killed a boss yet seems to baffle me. I would be more interested in the specific mechanics or actually DPS/HPS requirement issues as to what these people are having a hard time with on Garrosh more than the socioeconomic strife that is causing them to not be able to raid enough. What is it about heroic Garrosh that is stumping people in 10 man that has been doable in 25? That is my question.

No idea why, but NA players/teams are normally last in many different games when it comes to ESports. Would be cool for a university to do an actual study into this topic.
As an EU player, I guess its just because we are super l337

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There is no need to talk down on a mod when you obviously were being sarcastic and mocking another poster. No one has ever called halloween a "Go out of the house and talk to a girl" event. Covering your tracks with the so called holiday when you get an infraction, then pretending like the mod is way out of line, is just silly.

OT: I find this thread becoming kind of saddening with people throwing back and forth what their thoughts of other countries are without too much knowledge of said country. Random facts about income/education/healthcare/time off work/internet MS/time zones etc. to make excuses or explanations as to why so and so has or has not killed a boss yet seems to baffle me. I would be more interested in the specific mechanics or actually DPS/HPS requirement issues as to what these people are having a hard time with on Garrosh more than the socioeconomic strife that is causing them to not be able to raid enough. What is it about heroic Garrosh that is stumping people in 10 man that has been doable in 25? That is my question.

This thread is discussing why multiple EU 10mans have managed to kill it while not a single US 10 man has killed it. That's why discussions are veering towards other reasons other than gaming mainly due to the fact that the bosses are the exact same in both regions.

Discussing 10v25 is a infractable offence on the forums. People have been banned Don't try to steer the conversation down that path.

And if you aren't able to see my previous posts as a cheeky joke rather than an attempt to talk down to a mod (who has done nothing to me), I may need to work on my joke telling skills then. (You are probably going to pass this off as another attempt to cover my tracks anyway if I know your kind)

No idea why, but NA players/teams are normally last in many different games when it comes to ESports. Would be cool for a university to do an actual study into this topic.
As an EU player, I guess its just because we are super l337

The americans can't help it, they've probably blown up half of their teammates

and i suggest you reading a bit closer. 10man heroic garrosh in Murica has not been slained.

eitherway. majority of the "better" guilds in the US have for a long time been 25man. EU is more of a 10 area (dont ask me why this is)

also this tier seems a bit easier, atleast for some fights- on 25man. (no not stating x setting is harder than y, simply saying that some fights has their advantages and disadvantages in both settings)

Anecdotal evidence of an unnamed and therefore unknown example..
Let's look at a prominent example, of a well known and respected top guild in the world, shall we?
PARAGON...... From their website, and their FAQ..

So we see, that's not quite what you are saying here..
Also, it's fairly known amongst those who frequently visit or visited the top guilds websites, how they actually raid... Ensidia too..
Ensidia had an app requirements list up prior to Cata, which clearly stated how you must be able to basically raid 24/7 up until the World First race is over.
Most of them falling back to the probably most casual approach once they are done.. Raiding once a week.

Anyhow....
College costs an arm and a leg in the US... Students need to work a lot more than EU students have to.
Regular Jobs.... EU members have shorter work week hours (generally), and the income is normally higher, hence they don't have to work so long, or even take up 2 jobs, unlike many Americans have to.
On that note, many Americans need the second job also because Americans have a tendency to live off credit cards, buying all kinds of stuff they couldn't afford. EU residents usually don't do that. They spend the money they have, and maybe one or the other smaller loan. That's a general tendency, conditions may vary by country..
And last but not least, the infrastructure. On a task where every digit point of output matters, the internet speed is a key factor. The infrastructure in the EU generally is way ahead on that end. The US neglected that part brutally. The once leading country on telecommunication and information tech, allowed itself to fall behind by about 10 years in technology. In many rural parts it's even further behind.

All good points although frankly I have no idea how anyone who raids in world first guilds manages to hold down a job of any kind, unless it's super casual work and they can just not work for a couple of weeks every now and then.

All good points although frankly I have no idea how anyone who raids in world first guilds manages to hold down a job of any kind, unless it's super casual work and they can just not work for a couple of weeks every now and then.- - - Updated - - -

Fulltime job 8-17 with 2 hours of travel all together. Makes it 10 h afk. Still managed to get a decent rank. I slept for 3-4 hours each day for 6 days(a whole working week). It was managable but not healthy.

Anyhow, we got our first US kill and I would like to congratulate Nightmare Asylum. ! Took some time but at least they made it to the front page, 4 spots left to claim.

Fulltime job 8-17 with 2 hours of travel all together. Makes it 10 h afk. Still managed to get a decent rank. I slept for 3-4 hours each day for 6 days(a whole working week). It was managable but not healthy.

Anyhow, we got our first US kill and I would like to congratulate Nightmare Asylum. ! Took some time but at least they made it to the front page, 4 spots left to claim.

Decent rank ?! Man you are humble haha. You guys are one of the best raiders in the world - don't sell yourself short =p