Sure, man can be- in the above verse Jesus told the people, 'you are of your father, the devil. Nephilim were the progeny of angels and humans.
I think that when they died physically their spirits become demons. That's why they try to dwell in people; they have no physical body. Why the
flood? Because this was rampant in the pagan societies-that's also why God didn't want his people to mix with them. That's why He also directed
His people to kill everyone in the land of Canaan, it was happening again. Makes you realize what a spiritual battle it was. reply to
post by Agree2Disagree

how can you be sure it is pronounced yahwey, when there were no vowels,it is our translation assumes its correct ,but is it correct?

Where are our standards we all seem to have different opinions , but are they different,maybe just incomplete. NORTH is NORTH of SOUTH, but south of
north is still north of south, NOW where the hxxl did that come from, cause i never heard of that before!

Uh, does the Raelians ring a bell? They also believe the key to eternal life is cloning...

Philosophy scholar George D. Chryssides described the Raëlian Church as being in an "early developmental stage" and that their beliefs distance it
from a "dominant intellectual climate".[5] Contrary to traditional theology, Raëlism claims that all life on Earth, humans included, was created
scientifically by human-like extra terrestrials—Elohim (plural)—using DNA synthesis and genetic engineering. As a result, Raëlians believe in
intelligent design. Raëlian believe that throughout the ages, members of the Elohim civilization sent different prophets: Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and
many others to guide humanity and to prepare humans for the future. The Elohim later reduced the frequent visits so that humans were largely left to
progress on their own, until the time of the Apocalypse/Revelation when they would send their final messenger and disclose themselves at an
intentionally prepared embassy for establishing political and economic ties beyond the Earth. Chryssides states that Raëlism is discernible from
other UFO Religions due to its heavy support for physicalism and repudiation of supernaturalism.[6] Susan J. Palmer, a social scholar who had
historically long contacts with Raëlians, associated epiphenomenalism[7] with the belief in Raëlism that mind transfer coupled with human cloning
can implant mind and personality into a new and disease free body.[8] Raëlians publicly deny the existence of the ethereal soul and a supernatural
god,[9] but they believe that humanity for many generations past will be resurrected, albeit in a scientific way.[10]

I think that people have a hard time grasping anything that seems to portray duality. For example, it's either alien or celestial, not both. They seem
to attribute this to every scenario. Is it not possible that one "chariot of fire" was a UFO manned by ETs and another was an actual celestial
"chariot of fire" ridden by Gods messengers(angels)?

There is so much to be lost in interpretation.

I personally believe we have wronged our ancestors in our interpretations. They were smarter than we give them credit for. We tend to blame them for
being so "general" in their descriptions simply because we cannot accept what is actually being depicted. Perhaps the ancients were spot on in
everything they said. Perhaps civilization is regressing. It's interesting to ponder upon...

I know that Yahweh is probably not the real pronunciation/spelling of the name of God. The Hebrews were not allowed to write or speak the name.
You're right, they didn't have vowels. It was passed down as YHWH. Thousands of years later, men filled in the letters A and E to make Yahweh. It
could be Yohwuh or Yehwah. Who knows? Some choose to say Jehova (which is completely wrong). However, none of this is relevant to the topic. And
since the accepted spelling/pronunciation is Yahweh, that is what I will use.

Originally posted by sheila947
When thinking about Satan an demons, maybe there really are reptillians, satan was a serpent, he is depicted as snake, reptile like, cold blooded
reptiles would want to be someplace HOT.

I think your on to something here.
you should try reading some articles from David Icke he has many try reading the reptilian connection or his book tittled "...and the truth shall set
you free."

You should also try watching this movie "They Live" its a pretty old movie but it exposes an idea that isn't as far fetched in the world that we
live in today.

What man thinks God has done might always be wrong.
I see the Big Bang verses Infinite Universe as an example.
People say God has naturally created the universe as the
Big Bang of Creation.
Why should that be so.
Confounding man with the Infinite Universe is just as easily done by
the Creator.

Heaven itself is a made up "kingdom" for those who follow Religion to believe in. They don't want to think of the possible chance that Nothing
happens after death. They don't wanna be without their precious Jesus and their imaginary friend named God.

Same with Muslims, blowing themselves up to enter their kingdom of how many virgins?

Every religious institution's idea of Heaven is insane.

But I always believed the possible chance of us entering another dimension when we pass on....not Heaven or anything lame like that....but perhaps
another world.......

Chances of that are slim and we're probably not going anywhere besides six feet under. After all, we are just another species that exists in this
universe. What makes us so special?

Originally posted by shaell
Allow me to expand on your original points.

Imagine "the heavens" populated with all manner of beings created in the "image of god", as the bible claims. These races have no doubt been
around for a very long time before man arrived on Earth.

The bible claims that a universal government centered around the creator existed long before man arrived on the scene as well. It's referred to in
English biblical translations as the "Kingdom of Heaven".

This "Kingdom of Heaven" is presented in the bible as a very physical, practical reality, not some mystical, ethereal, metaphysical concept as many
envision.

Jesus, in his ministry, explained that he was present to establish this kingdom, and that it's final physical establishment would be commenced on his
return to Earth.

The "revelations" of Jesus to John reveal "A war in the Heavens". A "great dragon" with a third of the heavens under his command has opposed the
established order of the Creator. The Earth has been under the jurisdiction of this Dragon from the beginning of history.

The bible is a record of The kingdom's plans and movements to liberate the Earth from the grips of this "dragon".

I've noticed the dragon(or serpent) in symbols and hieroglyphs from the dawn of time, all over the world. The serpent that eats his own tail has been
shown to represent the milky way, I also believe it's the symbol of this great dragon. The serpent was a symbol of duality to the ancient Egyptians,
and unchecked duality is chaos. Makes sense to me then, that the dragon is the enemy of the creator, the one true God. God being always good and pure
conciousness itself, perfect love. I don't think we give ourselves enough credit, the vastness of the universe makes us feel insignificant. Every one
of us is looking for the same thing, it is'nt money, success, power, or even love from the opposite sex. We are all longing for a return to the
source, whether you are a theist, atheist, or whatever your belifs may be.

We suffer because of this, frustration, anger, hate come from this false reality. Some say coldly, "well that's life". No...it is'nt. When the end
of the age comes, it will be the rebirth of pure reality, "paradise" "on Earth as it is in Heaven". God does not take or destroy, man fashioned
his own destruction because of his fears and self deception. Souls are not 'sent' to hell, they dig their own pit and create a self hell, like a
star burning out and becoming a black hole.

You are quick to say the kingdom of heaven is made up because believers long for it. I dare to say, since you are on ATS, you believe in ETs, correct?
What would be your response if I said aliens are made up because you long to not be alone in the Universe as well?

Originally posted by gLuEBoY
Flavius Josephus writes about a man from Galilee named Yeshua ( Jesus ) and that he was a great man .. I think this is him. Josephus was a Jewish
historian who was around in those times.. So even if you dont believe what the bible has to say maybe you could believe him

.. There is more evidance to the existance of Jesus than not.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by gLuEBoY]

3) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such
men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate,
at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he
appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And
the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.

Beh.. he didn't have much to say. Not to mention (Or perhaps, to mention) he was born only 37 years after Christ was, purportedly - and 4 years after
his purported death. Surely the harmony of someone of JC's stature and ability would be still ringing clear in the minds of many, and stories told
to children and their children.. not just the mere mention in a paragraph of a historian's tale.

Forgery, in my opinion. The whole story of Jesus Christ is so convoluted and warped that there is no point in arguing over his existence. If he did,
his story has been corrupted for another's use (Council of Nicea??)

He says that humans long for Heaven and so we "invented" it within our minds, thus it is imaginary. My point was that humans are social creatures and
long to be accompanied in the Universe by somethin/someone. It is naive to say that humans imagined heaven/God yet we couldn't have imagined ETs for
the same social purposes.

I am by no means saying I do not believe in ETs. I am simply showing the duality of his statement.

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