...the insistence that the Yang style used chousi jin was widespread until the late 1970's early 1980's and it's in a lot of books that way. Sometime in the 1980's someone in the Yang-style realized that if you claim only chousijin you're openly indicating that you don't have full and complete qi and jin because the full "natural" movement will always be with reeling silk, not the pulling silk. So the Yang family publicly stated that they use reeling silk, in the 1980's.

So...you're saying that because (as you said, "Aikido uses silk pulling," it's really not sophisticated to the same level as the silk reeling....

Interesting....since that's exactly what I said. The reeling silk is highly refined and sophisticated and it's not found in Japanese martial arts.

So we do agree.

What a surprise.

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Mike Sigman wrote:

...all of these things are always just variations of the basic ki/qi principles and the basic jin/kokyu principles.

But above, you just said "...if you claim only chousijin you're openly indicating that you don't have full and complete qi and jin because the full "natural" movement will always be with reeling silk, not the pulling silk." So there is a major difference between the two and a lack of reeling silk in Japanese arts would necessarily be a major difference (precisely the kind of difference I described) between Japanese and Chinese arts.

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Mike Sigman wrote:

...The idea that somehow the Japanese arts and the Chinese arts are "different" is the sort of ignorance that continues to keep good western students in the dark.

Or maybe it's "experts" who continually contradict themselves and will say anything to try to make others appear 'wrong'.

You take the cake, dude.

David

Last edited by David Orange : 07-05-2007 at 11:11 AM.

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