Remember how the left blamed Palin and the right for Gabby Giffords (and ignored the Republican Judge who was killed - and possibly the real target of the attack).

Now that we have someone who was parroting the leftist talking points and actions verbatim, who is a complete barking moonbat, suddenly they're not talking about how the DNC and the lefty media drove him to it.

@7-"Remember how the left blamed Palin and the right for Gabby Giffords"

Yes,and it was one of the more pathetic of their ploys. But it worked, essentially, because that story stayed in the news forever and we now have a U.S.S. Random Congresswoman Who Happened to Have a Bullet in Her Brain at One Point.

@20, It's not very organized, but stuff like this gets archived many times over by members of r/The_Donald and /pol/, among others. There are some links here and sprinkled around other threads there on the topic.

On one post I saw, he said it was time to "destroy Trump and Co." Of course, they'll say he just meant impeachment or political defeat. It's clear now that he didn't. And they wouldn't say that about a right-winger who talked about "destroying" Democrats, anyway.

How is the shooter any different than some Muslim knucklehead sitting in mosque listening to a radical Imam preaching hatred towards the West and then deciding it was his duty to kill as many infidels as possible? Only instead of a Imam preaching hate and intolerance, it's the MSM, et al, espousing those same ideals. I wonder how many of these radicalized Leftists are being groomed as we speak. And knowing how difficult it is to find a "moderate" Muslim condemning the terrorist attack du jour, how many MSM\leftist types will publicly denounce this blatant political assault?

What is Cernovich up to? I had taken a few screens shots on my phone of Hodgkinson's posts and one is a building lit up with Fuck Trump and his comment was "This about says it all...", in another he calls Trump mean & disgusting, in another he says the hateful Republicans have joined with the Nazis & KKK, in another he says Trump should resign.

Remember during the Bush 43 years the various books and in one case movie about Bush's assassination? Then, we have the Left and media constantly harping on violence towards Trump and his supporters. One of my clients and I were takling about how the media openly lies. So, to them, the Left, et. al. enjoy the next 7 years! We won't let you forget this one!

I'm just wondering if he ever visited and posted at the daily kos or some other leftist site. We need his browser history, not just Facebook. I think we should call this a Roofian like attempted massacre. FDR statues should come down and all Che pics should be banned from campi.

Weird,I can still see the fb page on my phone. Maybe because I had the page open? Took more pics.

Some of the links he shared were by Daily Kos, Bill Maher, Steven Colbert, Jill Stein, Greenpeace, Daily Hive, Noam Chomsky-(Today's GOP Might Be the Most Dangerous Organization in History), Fight the Right, CNBC, Michael Moore, Krugman, Conservatives Are Destroying Our Future, American Progress. Org, Think Progress. Org, Change. Org, Alternet. Org, Real Progressives-where he commented "We the People is code talk for get rid of the Republican Party". He commented "Republicans are the Taliban of the USA." "Vote all Republicans out of Congress & off the face of the earth."

The guy clearly believed all the Leftist propaganda, they have a hand in setting this guy off.

So zi have a question for anyone in the know. So we have a number of congress men who were almost assiassinated. If the gunman had not been stopped and those congressmen were killed heaven forbid, how would those members of congress have been replaced?

@40 It depends on the state. Usually the governor selects an immediate replacement and depending on the timing, they may or may not have a special election in a few months to determine who finishes out the term. In some states, there's no special election, and there's a few other variations.

For the House: The Constitution requires that member of the House be replaced only by an election held in the congressional district of the former representative.

"When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies." -- Article I, Section 2, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

According to the U.S. Constitution and state law, the governor of the state calls for a special election to replace the vacant House seat. The full election cycle must be followed including political party nominating processes, primary elections and a general election, all held in the congressional district involved. The entire process often takes as long as from three to six months.

While a House seat is vacant, the office of the former representative remains open, its staff operating under the supervision of the Clerk of the House of Representatives. The people of the affected congressional district do not have voting representation in the House during the vacancy period.

As far as I can tell, vacancies in the House of Representatives have to be filled by either a special election or a regular election, depending on when the seat is vacated.

Vacancies in the Senate can be (but are not always, depends on the state) filled by appointment (same party as held the seat before) then special elections elections are held to determine who holds the seat through the term.

I believe a state governor's right to appoint an interim senator derives from the fact that senators used to be elected by state legislatures. Since representatives were always elected popularly, they have to be replaced by election only.

I may be wrong, seeing how I'm not a constitutional scholar or historian.

The biggest problem MSM has is their viewers. How SJWs and leftists in general will openly admit they are in therapy and being treated for mental disorders? The percentage is much larger than you typically find with people on the right. Keep pumping lies, hoaxes and hatred into these people on a daily basis while excusing the violence of groups like Anti-fa and see what happens. If the MSM isn't careful they are going to create many more of these creatures. If that happens there will be a breaking point where the right has had enough and will not only hunt down the creations of the creators as well.

@42 It is. You'd have to research it state by state to find sitting House Repubs in states with Dem Governors. As I pointed out in the other thread, the way to do that is to check out the Senate - you only have to flip three Senators to change control. But this was a House baseball game and there's just not enough bullets for one many to carry nor enough House Repubs in one place at one time to seriously flip the house without actually attacking a secure building.

why are you all suprised by this ? its what you wanted. you guys seem to think that all +300M guns in the US are held by the right...you want to stir things up.. i warned you it will get bloody.. there are lots of crazies on both sides and the more you push, the more agitated they get. this guy just did what many of you advocated for your side. its all fun and games until someone gets shot.

Ingot9455 wrote:the way to do that is to check out the Senate - you only have to flip three Senators to change control.As someone in a state with a Republican governor and two Democratic Senators, that is very, very interesting.

When I read about the shooter, I was surprised when I came across this: " Hodgkinson apparently owns a home inspection business though his license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed."

So I was thinking, how can a business owner be a whack job lefty? And how can a business owner resort to violence? To be sure, business owners have committed crimes (but they are generally not the evil people that lefties make them out to be) but the crimes they tend to commit are non violent (fraud, drugs). But thinking it over, I think it would be more accurate to call this shooter a self employed contractor. Employers could tell that this guy was a loon. He couldn't get a job in firm.

mike wrote:why are you all suprised by this ? its what you wanted. you guys seem to think that all +300M guns in the US are held by the right...you want to stir things up.. i warned you it will get bloody.. there are lots of crazies on both sides and the more you push, the more agitated they get. this guy just did what many of you advocated for your side. its all fun and games until someone gets shot.

Walk softly and carry a large caliber

In case you hadn't noticed we didn't and haven't been stirring things up. Your side has consistently been attempting to stir things up for at least the last 50 years.

The other thing you might not notice is our side doesn't think we have all the guns. Our side thinks we know how to use them better than your side. So far, your side has been less than impressive.

Indeed: The Dems have been telling us that the half of the country that voted for Trump are Nazi racists who are complicated and culpable, so this is their next logical step.

...Spanish civil war, Bosnia, Rwanda, that is where that leads. Each side believes the other is a subhuman moral threat. Psychologically it then becomes trivial to engage in "justifiable" extermination.Once that starts history tends to show that it doesn't stop until one side largely succeeds in their effort. Sometimes seeing what's on the horizon sucks!

Odd that this dude went from Podunk, Illinois, to the D.C. 'burbs at the time he did. Trying to or acting like the intent was to decapitate the Republican House leadership may have been the runner-up prize for him. Conversely, this may be a Deep State test run to desensitize the public to assassinations before going for the gold. There could be a second IC/FBI cut-out in the wings.

That's a bit Alex Jones for me, but something isn't hanging right at all.

seeingsights wrote:When I read about the shooter, I was surprised when I came across this: " Hodgkinson apparently owns a home inspection business though his license expired in November 2016 and was not renewed."Did you read his age? He was 66, making him at least 65 last November. He probably retired.

63. Mastermind June 14, 2017 9:15 PM@51 "I think a couple more years is not an unreasonable timeframe. My luck is much worse since I'd like to get my PhD first and that won't happen for another 7 years at best.

Here is the best advice you'll ever get on your education: DON'T PURSUE A PH.D. It almost certainly will turn out badly for you. And, no, you aren't smarter/luckier/harder-working/better-looking than the other 10 people all competing with you for the same slot. (You also likely would lose in the affirmative-action selection.)

Odd that this dude went from Podunk, Illinois, to the D.C. 'burbs at the time he did.

Could one of you guys who thinks it's odd explain what's odd about it? 'Cause I'm missing it.

What's hard to believe about this scenario: He was already a bit unhinged (you'd have to be to be a serious Sanders supporter). He has a couple assaults and some "called the cops for weird reasons" cases on his record, and there are reports that he had at least a couple of foster daughters, one of whom committed suicide. (I tend to take assault accusations with a grain of salt because of all the false domestic abuse claims these days, but it seems like there was some there there with this guy.) Maybe work and life aren't going well, maybe he's depressed and angry, maybe he's on SSRIs that are messing with his head. Then Trump wins, and he comes down with an acute case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. He's so depressed and spending so much time discussing the Trumpocalypse online that he's missing work appointments and doesn't even get his license renewed on time. Increasingly deranged and at loose ends, he gets invited by a fellow BernieTard to come visit D.C. He thinks he'll take a shot at Trump, but soon realizes that's impossible, because he's not actually a ninja. Stymied, he hangs around the city for weeks, living out of his car and showering at the YMCA, wondering what to do next. His heroes like Bernie and Kathy Griffin are telling him it's time to take down the bad guys, and he hears about this softball thing where they'll be out in the open, so he decides his time has come. He shows up, finds out where the Republicans are, picks his spot, and starts shooting. Then the bullets start coming back his way and the plan comes apart, so all he can do is keep plinking until they get him.

I just pulled that out of my ass, but it fits what I've read so far about the guy and his situation, and it's all completely plausible. What's the odd part?

The difference is, our side is completely right, since their side is all about exulting the subhumans as though it were actually human, or do you somehow think trannies are ubermencschen like Bill Nye would have is believe?

But yeah, nothing really so strange here. Lefties live in a fantasy world to begin with, and Trump has them unhinged. They've had a few years absent definitive consequences. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this.

The guy was living out of his van and there is no indication (unless I missed it) that he was invited to live in D.C. by a Bernie Bro. Maybe he was on SS but he had no other discernible income. The D.C. Metro area is pricy, and wouldn't be particularly attractive to someone on limited means.

But yeah, nothing really so strange here. Lefties live in a fantasy world to begin with, and Trump has them unhinged. They've had a few years absent definitive consequences. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this.

You know what the real root of the rage of the left is? I'm pretty sure they thought they had won the game with Obama. They didn't think they would ever have to deal with a non SJW POTUS ever again.

Now, they can't accept that not only did they not have it all wrapped up, but that they are no longer the cool kids anymore. They may not get back in majority control for a long time. That scares the crap out of them.

NYT still maintains the narrative that Sarah Palin caused the 2011 Giffords shooting because it was reported at the time that the shooting was political before any facts were known. What rag was responsible for the erroneous reporting? The NYT.So when they editorialize about this one, and begrudgingly admit lefty culpability in the man's radicalization(in so many words, almost, kinda), they make sure to include a line or 2 about Palin. And that shooting was proven beyond any doubt to have not been political.

All of these attacks are staged. It provides the cognitive dissonance necessary to divide and conquer.

Interestingly, this overlaps in my mind with the other discussion yesterday about absolutist predestination of the sort that takes away free will. If THEY are so powerful that they can intentionally have an outspoken socialist Democrat shoot a Trump-supporting Republican, which requires their media organs to do damage control, and this somehow fits into their globalist day-planner under "confuse the plebs," then THEY have such absolute control that there's no point in us talking about it and trying to figure it out. Presumably, blogs like this and our discussions are part of their MASTER PLAN too, so we're playing right into their hands!

Sure, they can find ways to take advantage of this -- for gun control, for instance -- but turning lemons into lemonade is very different from saying it's all part of THE PLAN. If they have a mind-controlled white guy, why not have him post a few pro-Trump things saying he's seen the light and joined the Alt-Right and is ready to kick out the invaders, and then have him shoot some Democrats? That would actually support their narrative and not require damage control at all. Did they do it the other way just to increase the degree of difficulty, to make it sporting? Is it like in Trading Places: Soros and one of his buddies made a $1 bet on whether they could have a Democrat shoot Republicans and get Democrat gains out of it?

1. i am not on either side.. i think both are wrong. the answer is almost always not at the extremes.

2. bull shit.. the rhetorical levels on both sides have escalated... come on .. stickman ?

3. there are crazies all around .. roof, christian, now this guy.. there are those that the call to arms is accepted on face value instead of the rhetorical level most intended and then stuff like this happens.

4. there are more crazies left out there so we should be careful.. i am sure (hope) no one actually wanted this to happen but both sides have culpability here.

@75, Living out of your van is pretty cheap anywhere, and you can't expect someone who's mulling over murder to also be thinking about his long-term budget. If he packed a few weeks' worth of food in his van, he wouldn't need much cash at all. No, it's not where you'd go just to live, but if you want to kill someone, you do have to go where your target is. (And we don't have any Republicans in Illinois worth killing.)

I too live in Illinois, and believe it or not, planes, trains, and roads all go from here to D.C. I've never been there, but most people I know have, on family vacations or class trips. Yes, buses of school kids go there every year. It's not that big a deal.

He went there in March. He was having regular conversations with the former mayor of Alexandria. There is another element that I need to find the link to.

I'm from IL too and I also lived and worked in the exact area of the incident in 2015. It's not a place you go live in your van. I lived in CA for a decade and now TX. Those climates are a lot more hospitable.

Perhaps he intended to flee to somewhere like that after he "destroyed Donald Trump and Co." But Donald Trump and Co. aren't in TX or CA; they're in Washington D.C.

I'm don't have a problem with your general thesis that many of these shootings are designed to terrorize the population. I think that's true of many of them, but it doesn't mean they all are. With leftist leaders calling for violence and assassination for months, there's nothing shocking about the idea that one of their more unstable followers would take them up on it independently.

I notice that the MSM is already trying to make it yesterday's news, because it doesn't support their narrative in any way at all.

I don't know what they are thinking. What I do know is Trump sent a doctor to look over Scalise and the media flipped out over that. Incidentally, for what it's worth, Scalise is at the same hospital Seth Rich died at. And he went from "good spirits" to critical condition quite rapidly. Make of that what you will.

Scalise was heading up a broad scale investigation into human trafficking. So #Pedogate #Pizzagate trumps the usual narrative. Far better to set back leftism decades than ever let the public know elite childcare trafficking rings are real and everywhere.

Yes, the guy sounds pretty unhinged and possibly violent, the kind you might expect to become an hero in an assassination attempt. That tells me nothing about whether he was being used or came up with it on his own.

If THEY wanted to take out Scalise because of Pizzagate, I could have thought of a hundred less narrative-contradicting ways to do it than having a hard-core Democrat shoot him after asking where the Republicans were, but THEY didn't ask me.

That's possible. Don't get me wrong; I think the Boston Marathon bombings were completely faked with crisis actors, and I think the WTCs were dropped with controlled demolitions (after real jets hit two). I've read the late Dave McGowan's book Programmed to Kill. I'm open to such possibilities. But in those cases, I looked for alternative explanations because the facts simply wouldn't fit into the official story no matter how you twisted them. In this case, all the known facts fit fine into "Angry leftist with a history of violence and perhaps a pretty shitty life decided to do as his leftist heroes have been begging someone to do, and it took him some months to accept that impeachment wasn't going to happen and the Trump Train is gonna keep rolling, and to work up the courage/opportunity." So far, that explains things fine. If facts come out that won't fit into that, then it'll be different.

Not necessarily, because they assume not without reason that we won't be able to find enough evidence to connect the dots anyway. The guy has more than likely a molesting history yes, Scalise is spearheading the anti-child trafficking effort in the House yes, the Dem Whip's office sent a message with delivering pizza and making sure it was in the media. But beyond those... oddities, hard for normal people to make more than assumptions.

"If THEY wanted to take out Scalise because of Pizzagate, I could have thought of a hundred less narrative-contradicting ways to do it than having a hard-core Democrat shoot him after asking where the Republicans were, but THEY didn't ask me."

Like having a Trump supporter to do it? They can only coerce or convince which means it has to be someone susceptible to it.