randomjsa:I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

randomjsa:I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

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Go back to using libby_no_more2. You were much more inspired in those days. Oh wait, that handle got nuked from orbit

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."

You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I'm ready, willing and able - even at my age (81) - to pour whatever sweat equity I can into this endeavor. I've offered my grassroots management system for only my out-of-pocket costs. My retirement income is 50% below the poverty level for a family of two, so I'm not in a position to contribute financially, but my body and mind are strong and capable, so I can certainly contribute physically. Having been an IT professional for 55 years, I'm not without at least a modicum of technological ability.

I would be happier if each member of the GOP were split in two. I mean, they are all so enormously, hugely, stupidly obese (probably as a result of all the inbreeding) that each half would be the same size as a normal American. Of course, Republicans have so little in the way of higher cognitive functions that each half would likely continue to moving for a few minutes after being bisected. Just like comparatively higher life-forms like earthworms and planaria.

It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' ='I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' ='I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' ='WTF donna at the dmv. Its just a farking jet ski. No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already. This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' ='Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable? Frack the hell out of that land. I want gas to go down $.03!' ='Shut the gov down! yay party time! Down with the oppression! What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments? This is bullshiat. god damn libs!' ='Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less. *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more. **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets don ...

mjjt:The traditional controllers of GOP will consider whether the TP gains or loses them votes, and act on that.

If TP crazies look like alienating people who would otherwise vote R, then it will be in the RINOs interests to defeat any TP candidate, even if that means letting a Democrat win. So they will run a moderately conservative Independent R candidate and split the vote. Sacrifice 2014 to avoid a rout in 2016.

The TP seems intent on getting more extreme candidates into Congress. They will be even crazier than Cruz, and just as economically ignorant and dogmatic. (Default on debt is good because then nobody will lend to us so we will have to live within our means)

TP economics will harm the rich as well as everyone else. So it's in their interests to emasculate the TP.

And perhaps Fox News advertisers will have second thoughts about supporting the people who are whipping up the TP sheep.

FOX news advertisers like the FOX demographics the way that they are; the stupider the better. Just turn FOX on and watch a couple of commercial cycles and you will see what I mean based on the products and services being advertised. Catheters, mesothelioma lawsuits, Gold, books on the upcoming Obama collapse, survival stuff, "Western sky", social security lawsuits, medicare lawsuits.. Who buys this crap? Well, FOX news viewers do, and that's the way the advertisers like it; nobody else is going to buy that crud. ,

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

Matt Kibbe is "sideburn boy."

I'm reading that with an emphasis on "is" and a dramatic pause before "sideburn boy"

American politics is hilarious when there is no imminent danger of spiteful ignorami crippling the world economy

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."

You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I' ...

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:simplicimus: "Armey alleged that Kibbe had misused the PAC's funds to write a book not related to FreedomWorks and that the organization's lavish spending - including an in-house craft beer bar, first class travel accommodations and $80,000 in Las Vegas hotel charges - and top-heavy management structure would ruin the group. " Plus the payout to Armey and the probably unpaid loan,

It looks like "OK boys, this scam's over. Time to start a new one with a different name."

"Let's call it, 'The American Party.'"

They comin' to your townThey'll help you band downThey're an American Party

While the moderate Republicans and the Republican Party will take a serious short term hit since the Tea Party gives the GOP lots of voters; it will be the Tea Party taking the long term hit because all the money is with the national GOP. The Tea Party members who make up the "foot soldiers" are the poorest members of the GOP/Tea Party caucus. It will die the same death as "United We Stand America" after Pat Buchanan usurped the movement and Ross Perot bailed.

It's already happening:

The CEO of the nearly bankrupt tea party PAC FreedomWorks, Matt Kibbe believes that the Republican Party is facing "a real possibility" of a schism within its ranks.

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

parasol:ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years. Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe. The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+). If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress. Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.

There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.

When they are all alone in the darkened abyss of the voting booth, they will be unable to follow-through with that request. The more honorable ones will pull the lever for the RINO, go home, get drunk, hate-fark their catamite one last time, and then hang themselves.

DeaH:randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

Here's the secret: Centrists run the a Democratic Party.

Shhhhh!

You're talking to someone who just implied that America would be a better place if it was nothing but opposing fanatics. Tread comically.

I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' ='I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' ='I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' ='WTF donna at the dmv. Its just a farking jet ski. No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already. This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' ='Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable? Frack the hell out of that land. I want gas to go down $.03!' ='Shut the gov down! yay party time! Down with the oppression! What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments? This is bullshiat. god damn libs!' ='Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less. *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more. **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets done' =........

"As you know by now," Kibbe said in the video, "Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have partnered with Harry Reid to pass a blank check to the president on this budget fight. There is no reform of Obamacare, there's no defunding, there's no delays. Um...we lost."He went on to say that the amount of vitriol directed at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Heritage Action, FreedomWorks and other agitators for further shutdowns and a debt default indicates that, in fact, the far-right is winning the fight against Obamacare and asks that donors send money to fund the insurrection against moderate Republicans.

Wait...what?

FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses

randomjsa:I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

yea its a mystery...keep tilting at the windmills, my friend. One day those dragons of moderation will fall!

By gosh, I want them to do it, I want them to run a GOP alternative, someone a little more committed to the President Madagascar theory of governing, in every state, in every house race. Frankly, as a liberal, there's nothing I'd like more than seeing the TEA Party split the votes.

The Republican exorcised his psychotic inner demon, then the Tea Party corporealized and began to wreak havoc in the nation. After nearly killing the Economy, our Republican hero must work with his old nemesis, the Democrat, in order to rid the world of this derp-demon.

Is this like the end of Evil Dead 2 where they had to summon the Candarian demon fully into the world so that they could banish it? I need my political discourse placed into the proper modern-media context.

ghare:olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?" Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

heavymetal:Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

"Armey alleged that Kibbe had misused the PAC's funds to write a book not related to FreedomWorks and that the organization's lavish spending - including an in-house craft beer bar, first class travel accommodations and $80,000 in Las Vegas hotel charges - and top-heavy management structure would ruin the group. " Plus the payout to Armey and the probably unpaid loan,

It looks like "OK boys, this scam's over. Time to start a new one with a different name."

heavymetal:While the moderate Republicans and the Republican Party will take a serious short term hit since the Tea Party gives the GOP lots of voters; it will be the Tea Party taking the long term hit because all the money is with the national GOP. The Tea Party members who make up the "foot soldiers" are the poorest members of the GOP/Tea Party caucus. It will die the same death as "United We Stand America" after Pat Buchanan usurped the movement and Ross Perot bailed.

It's already happening:

The CEO of the nearly bankrupt tea party PAC FreedomWorks, Matt Kibbe believes that the Republican Party is facing "a real possibility" of a schism within its ranks.

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

Well, I'm sure a grass roots movement like FreedomWorks will have no trouble replacing the income with donations from their broard base of support.

The biggest winner here would be the American public. Let the Tea Party think they are the new face of the Republican party. Let the moderate Republicans that are still capable of compromise step up without fear of getting stomped in a primary by a Tea Tard and maybe we as a country can move forward instead of regress.

Who the frak am I kidding? I just read what I wrote and I realized just how impossible it is. It sounds reasonable to a reasonable person, but these are not reasonable people. They got a taste of power and they like it by golly, and they are not going give it up easily. Prepare for scorched earth.

Infernalist:Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008. They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now. Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.

So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.