Weekend Thread 18 January 2020

The Far Left Biased BBC is full on Nanny State using the ‘climate change agenda ‘ to control the way we live to accord with what it approves of . Don’t breed or breath or eat or drink or smoke or bet or drive or fly or speak or be a bloke or free or think .

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“Five years of Boris Johnson…
… and Brexit on the way. With a new Conservative government taking office, the Guardian’s independent, measured, authoritative reporting has never been so vital. These are turbulent, decade-defining times. Whatever lies ahead for us all, the Guardian will be with you – investigating, disentangling and interrogating. So our readers can make up their minds based on fact, not fiction.”

Don’t breed or breath or eat or drink or smoke or bet or drive or fly or speak or be a bloke or free or think .

Eco-fanatics/A_ Climate Change believers/ AGW believers, are getting very desperate. This desperation is because the main payer for the Climate Change scam, the USA, has withdrawn . As Extinction, they believe, is due in 11 years, and as Pres Trump is likely to be around for five years, it becomes urgent to impeach him by any means – NOW. They genuinely believe that life on earth will cease if Pres Trump is not stopped from not paying up.

When people get desperate, either by propaganda or some ideology or even a do-good cause , they can be persuaded to do wild deeds.

What is strange, is that in a time of plenty, a time when engineering is lifting people out of poverty at remarkable rates, AGW and CC panickers want to stop all this good , and confine poor nations to rely once more on food and charity aid from rich nations in the West.

This is an interesting article about President Trump, iran, the US and UK and Israeli warmongers. If it’s only partly true, it shows that there’s more going on than we can ever know, President Trump is trying his best to avoid war and the bad guys are being wrong-footed by him at every turn.

I suspect President Trump will even turn this impeachment pantomime to his advantage.

\\COP26: Climate summit may cost ‘several hundred million pounds’//
“Scottish ministers say they expect the UK government to cover the “core costs” including emergency services funding.”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-51112821
How many are flying in ? If they are so concerned about ‘carbon footprint’ why don’t they hold a video conference? Spend the money on training doctors and nurses for the NHS.
I think its just a jolly for the snouts at the top of ‘the climate ladder’?

\\COP26: Climate summit may cost ‘several hundred million pounds’//https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-51112821
How many are they flying in ? If they are so concerned about ‘carbon footprint’ why don’t they hold a video conference?
I think its just a jolly for the snouts at the top of ‘the climate ladder’ trough? Spend the money on training doctors and nurses for our NHS instead.

Agree taffman, so concerned are these Global Warming Alarmists, but apparently forget all about the Carbon Footprint, when it suits! Let us face it there is a credibility crisis going on in Western Governments. I quote from a recent essay: For too many years, their incompetence and deceit have forced ordinary citizens to question whether they produce more harm than good. On both sides of the Atlantic, the governing elite play by a set of rules that separates them from those they govern. They ignore popular discontent while placing themselves above the law. It is in this volatile climate that they push the greatest con game ever concocted: man-made global warming. This is the hubris that brings empires crashing down.
Like any confidence scheme, global warming rests entirely on misdirection and bad faith. While Western governments create hundred-trillion-dollar programs for fighting the weather, they have (1) never scientifically established that man’s use of hydrocarbon energy causally leads to temperature change of any kind, (2) never articulated some baseline climate ideal for the planet, and (3) never produced a cost-benefit analysis detailing the loss in human life and standard of living required in order to impose upon the world the type of global command-and-control economy necessary to restructure all industry and commerce. These three pillars are so fundamental that a normal person could be forgiven for assuming they’ve long ago been calculated. That’s part of the con.
The science still isn’t settled. Nobody has decided whether to green the Sahara or bury Scandinavia in more snow, whether we’re pursuing the Roman Warm Period of two thousand years ago or the Little Ice Age that ended in the nineteenth century. No government has admitted that the Green Dream will destroy populations and make modern conveniences future luxuries for only the wealthiest survivors. How do you convince your citizens you have their best interests at heart when nothing could be farther from the truth? But prey on their weaknesses with a three-tailed hustle on a global scale. If successful, the global warming hustle will reclaim power from the people and return it to the kings and queens, lords and ladies who mean to rule over what’s left of the world they destroy. It will be the greatest con ever executed.

Theisland
Funny innit – when the recession comes – which will and must – and consumption reduces as unemployment rises – the last thing people will be interested in is ….. climate emergency ( except of course the wealthy cushioned from real life ).

Turning back the clock towards pre-industrial times will not just increase unemployment, but will increase poverty, and then onto food poverty. And no amount of NHS money will stop increasing death rates, year by year.

What has reduced death rates, increased health standards, life expectancy and all that comes from a modern industrial nation, is not doctors and nurses, but electricity. Electricity available everywhere at the flick of a switch. If I didn’t know better, it is magic.

And these AGW believers want to restrict electricity by raising its price.

Even to prove your point more, tonight a new drama started on Sky One called COBRA, and though far fetched, it shows what could happen when all power is shut down. Food for thought that we rely on electricity for everything.

NCBBC,
See, just goes to show how wrong you can be when you base certain thoughts on bad and ill thought out reasoning! I had always thought, as given, that the importation of millions of muslims was all to do with our cultural education and boosting the economy. Wrong!
In fact, it is all to do with helping to move us back to the Middle Ages in steps…….
The muslims showing us the way.

It wont matter what Carney does. The main payer for the AGW/ Climate Change scam was to be the USA. They ain’t paying. Neither are China, Japan and Asia in general. Europe cant afford to as they still have to pay for NATO, the long term destruction of industry by raising the cost of energy, and all the millions of engineers they have imported from Africa.

NCBBC, apologies for my addressing you as NCNNC last weekend, a hurried typo on my part. I did watch the whole video that you linked too. Was it the Patrick Moore one?

He presented a scenario for cities when they discover the electric trucks are still stuck on the freeway waiting for either the sun to shine or a mobile recharger to rescue the truck (my words) and there is no food for hungry people in the city centre (his words): it will not be pretty. (his words)

Patrick Moore understates it. Just as increasing engineering civilisation , and the resulting benefit, is an exponential process, so too is the reverse. Worse- decay, degradation and poverty of everything, is a much faster exponential process. It takes intelligence and hard work to go against the force of mature – that is chaos.

It took two centuries for the UK to reach the present level of affluence and human comfort. It will take far less time for it to sink back to Dickensian poverty and decay. To get to this state, intelligence and hard work is not required. All one has to do is nothing.

We are in a worse situation, as politicians have swallowed the AGW hoax. They are under the impression that they can kill the goose and still have eggs for breakfast.

Not sure I’d describe cannibalism as ‘understatement’ – Moore didn’t actually really say the word because the thought was obviously too awful to him – but you make a good point about the decline and the likely speed of it. As a bit of an economist I’d point out that all you need is a ‘perfect storm’ once started on the AGW/CC downward slope. We had a little trial run last year when a chunk of the National Grid and some generators went down. Instant chaos.

It’s kind of ironic that the MentalistEnviros were worried about what would happen when Peak Oil* was reached. They are now worrying about ‘Peak Electricity Demand’. You only need to get a weather event that is unusual (always likely) coinciding with some other factors and it could, as you say, all ‘go south’ very fast, especially in the middle of an economic downturn or full-on recession.

The fact is that you cannot care for the world of nature and the environment except when in a position of affluence. There is ample evidence of that from Communist/Fascist/Maoist/Marxist/Socialist ruled parts of the world in the 20th century.

* Those who know something about the industry know that there is more oil in our planet that we do not know about than, as some claim, has been extracted and used to date.

Yes indeed NCBBC politicians have swallowed the AGW hoax, supported by the idiot BBC, who fawn over every word from Attenborough who has so far given no clear indication as to how the world should go about the so called catastrophe.
Catastrophic Alarmist Climate Change Cult-quote;”It will be the greatest con ever executed. The charade is so vast and so vile that if it comes crashing down, not a single Western government will survive.”…. this will not be allowed to happen by Western Governments… so the exploding of the myth will have to come bit by bit, so that Western Governments can “save face” and carry on… perhaps what has to happen first, is the global climate following it’s natural cyclical fashion, has to cool – which it will. Secondly, honest climate scientists have to band together and create a critical mass of their colleagues and call out the IPCC on every false claim. Thirdly, the mass media have to withdraw its support for this CACCC and they will only do so, when CACC no longer is profitable and they find another topic as profitable to publicize.

In Brussels there is a strong sense the Conservative Party has not woken up to the trade-offs and compromises that will inevitably characterise the upcoming Brexit talks, writes @NicholasWatthttps://t.co/EedkorTSR7

Her grandfather was a Liberal MP. Her Dad’s a Marxist. Her Mum’s a campaigning journalist. Her work experience with a Tory MP convinced her she was Labour. What shaped Leadership candidate @lisanandy. Listen/download now https://t.co/13fqS80u0O

Another small sign that the silent majority are sick to death of Wokists and their crackpot world view. I think that we really may be at peak wokism. Perhaps the time is ripe for a new award to be launched , The Wokist Wanker of the Week. TWWW would of course be open to all genders , all 27 of them, and would be entirely inclusive. The only qualification necessary would be that all entrants must be Wokists.

@GuestWho I didn’t find an LBC edit
But Femi is the guy who put out an edited version
Dozens of people called him out
..especially since he edited out grooming gang bitHe mentioned the fact that the Manchester grooming scandal went on,
and on because folk were afraid of a racism accusation …

Why have you posted this heavily edited clip, Femi?
I can only conclude that you have done this solely to suit your narrative that every white person in the UK that has a different opinion to yours is a racist. Shameful race bating yet again. 🍩 #bbcqt

If the BBC was linked to Iran I wouldn’t have already stumbled across their staff tweeting something today.
Oh hang on I did

After 6 weeks filming the cultural riches of one of the most remarkable civilisations on earth, all over beautiful Iran last year, feeling rather sad on last day’s filming (in British Museum) for The Art of Being Persian. But can’t wait for you to see it. Coming soon on @BBCFOURpic.twitter.com/mZxVn08TOd

“Trump is not above manufacturing an international crisis next month to rally the country behind his shabby banner. Iran is being set up as target of choice.He is busy burning bridges, not building them. Unless something changes soon, he will have his war” https://t.co/3Sj3Kykhte

﻿did the beeb mention that plane that got shot down by “accident” killing all on board?
remember the 24/7 news on – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48691488
“MH17: Four charged with shooting down plane over Ukraine”
the beeb & other msm seem strangely silent over this similar murder of innocents.

Glasgow wants to become a zero emission city.
The BBC report that the motorways encourage car use/commuting.

This is a nice example of how totally out of touch the BBC is with the real world.

Because after over 30 years of periodic use of the M8 through Glasgow I can assure them that absolutely no-one is ‘encouraged’ to use their car because of the M8.
People use it because they have to. Because there is no alternative. Because people do not use it for a few simple state-contollable reasons but for thousands of individual reasons.
Just try taking a car load of stuff from East Kilbride to Dumbarton for example.

My Dad was watching 6 news probably BBC or Sky
about Glasgow Green plan
and he said some people were in a tower block being interviewed
their heating had been changed from gas to leccy
and bills had skyrocketed.

Where are the BBC’s fact checkers/reality check team?
The answer is that Carbon Neutral can only be done at huge and disproportionate expense,
– and it won’t stop climate change. Next?

stew – your dad was right!!
I caught a very brief part (tv interview) where some residents said there leccy bills where now sky high & they had not been informed/consulted on this.
as usual it got a 5-10 sec slot on the news item about climate change & how Glasgow will lead the way to cool/Sustain the planet.
as for Glasgow in 10yrs, my guess is nothing will have changed.

Not strictly BBC, though not unrelated either in terms of their world view. Further to my above Glasgow post.

Go back around 15 years and councils started to deter us from using our cars by reducing road capacity and removing car park spaces. Some businesses were to be taxed for their car parks.
It didn’t work.

Go back around 10 years ago we were penalised for using our cars because of safety concerns. Section 39 of the 1996 Road Traffic Act gave council traffic departments carte blanche. Thus we had build-outs and speed bumps.

It didn’t work. So around 5 years ago we started being penalised for driving the diesels they wanted us to use in the first place to reduce CO2 emissions, citing pollution and particulates.

Still not enough. Now it is full-on climate change. Hence the attack on car users arising from the Glasgow zero emissions narrative.

What links these things? The socialist imperative to eliminate the individual freedom that the private car represents, and the desire to move us on to collectivist public transport through which they can control us.

I swear that if we all drove zero emissions, particulate free cars and there were no road accidents at all, they would still find some new ways to force us to use the transport of their choice.

In North London there is a small ‘town centre’ with a main road – the Green Lanes – running through it. In their infinite wisdom, when the Boro was Labour controlled (about 25-30 years ago) they installed those strange curb extensions at the bus stops, bang in the centre of ‘town’.

It soon became obvious that not much brain power had been devoted to this ‘improvement’.

The two bus stops were nearly opposite each other.

Occasionally, buses travelling in opposite directions would arrive at their stops at the same time and the previously slow to moderately smoothly running traffic is now brought to a complete standstill, engines running, while the buses disgorge more shoppers and fill up with those wishing to move on elsewhere or go home.

Close, Dover, Palmers Green – bang in the centre of the main shopping area.

Wood Green used to be OK because the Green Lanes was wider there. They’ve now gone a bit silly down there, too, in ‘the Socialist Republic of Haringey’, as a friend used to refer to it and it is a nightmare to negotiate. Mayor Khan seems to be causing havoc all over London.

Dover, Wood Green has become increasingly ‘white’ in recent years, judging by my experience. You are just as likely to hear two people speaking Czech or Polish or Kurdish as you are to hear a relaxed, lyrical Carib ‘twang’.

I was a driver in Central London when Livingstone and his henchmen in TFL started narrowing all the roads by putting in unnessercery kerbed cycle lanes and messing about with the traffic light timings( slowing traffic obviously ) then sticking up pollution measuring devices at pinch points . All engineered to get the results that they want.
They have done the same to my old London borough of Walthamstow (thank God Im out of it ) where they have bought traffic to a standstill and then they point at pollution levels . Individual freedom of movement is now under sustained attack.

Was back in Walthamstow recently, Swelter. That was one of my worries – getting round the Khan changes – as I was travelling by car.

I remember the Livingstone traffic light changes. Fortunately Bojo reversed them as soon as he became Mayor. There are now those crossing time indicators on major junctions and that is a great innovation for pedestrians. But generally things go from good to worse to really bad thanks to some political dogmas. The old joke goes ‘The Labour Party hate the motor car because it is a symbol of affluence; the Conservative Party hate the motor car because half the Party miss the age of the horse, the other half of the Conservative Party think we are still in it.’.

The hard fact that the Greenies and Socialists have to face is that two things drove increasing social equality, social mobility and life opportunity in the UK in the late-1940s, 1950s and 1960s: Grammar Schools and the motor car.

“The hard fact that the Greenies and Socialists have to face is that two things drove increasing social equality, social mobility and life opportunity in the UK in the late-1940s, 1950s and 1960s: Grammar Schools and the motor car.”
That’s why they need doing away with Up2, cant have the oiks getting uppity. And with the tenuous link of the motor car I’ll post this.

"So many people in that room had gone to war and risked their lives for their country, and now they were being dressed down by a president who had not. They felt sick to their stomachs." https://t.co/jdD2cuka6w

BBC Hull local news prog : “Hi my name Melanie Onn and I used to be the Labour MP for Great Grimsby
and BBC local news have just given me 3 minutes and a camera crew to make an item about how Labour can win back Grimsby”

Tonight at 6 30. Alcohol tags, P and O, Tour de Yorkshire, Melanie Onn and the Lincoln Imp and @Abbiedew

By mistake I put the Parliament channel on . It’s currently showing a ‘conference on the future of Europe ‘ in Strasbourg . Obviously the chamber is mainly empty as there is no money for the MEP troughers .

I was preoccupied with seeing whether there is still a Union Flag amongst those behind the Chair -mane I think it’s gone .. what a delight.

Made me wonder whether the BBC is still going to put the idle thoughts of a bunch of foreigners onto the terrestrial British TV once we are no longer involved in it .

Quite a few of the girl MEPs polish up quite well – I bet they get the same ‘expenses ‘ that girl MPs in Britain get ….

Then I thought – since the EU spent the last 3 years trying to undermine the result of the referendum – would nt it be great if the government safe ‘support ‘ to those countries which may be wavering over remaining members . The timing could be good because Frau Merkel holds the ‘chair’ of the EU for the second 6 months of 2020 -and then in 2021 she’s gone – presumably to a job in her ReichEU…

Well, Ed Balls is starting to make a comfortable living at tele presenting after making an arse of himself on Strictly. So it must give comfort to other out of work MPs who don’t have a talent for anything else.

Not for those that the BBC deem to be on the right. Such people are not to allowed to have any sort of platform on the state funded BBC. This despite those who pay for thefoul corporation electing a government which is centrist with at least a few that the BBC would deem on the right.

A little light relief and a chuckle away from climate change, Iran, and QT, Jan Moir in the Mail today wrote a very funny piece about the Duchess of Woke…..

“Meanwhile, Meghan was buzzing around north-west Canada in a seaplane, peering out of the fogged window with her do-good binoculars, searching for worthy causes to promote….

The Duchess of Sussex also popped into the Downtown Eastside Women’s Centre in Vancouver, where she discussed ‘issues affecting women in the community’. The biggest women’s issues in Meghan’s own community are that she is estranged from almost her entire family, that her uncle -in-law has been consorting with a known paedophile and has had to deny charges of sexual misconduct on national television……”

If you don’t know, the ECIU above has been headed from the outset by *ex BBC man*, Richard Black
Every night at 11pm in his bedroom he says
“night Roger, sleep well”
and from a foot away Roger H says
“Night, Richard you sleep well too”

For those interested – I estimate that the accumulated funding donations for Big Ben is now at least £250 k.

I kind of get the feeling that the £500k will never be properly explained and the bell won’t be rung . Echoes of the long three years of denial of democracy . Shame the Queen won’t order it since the Palace of Westminster really belongs to her ……

And you can imagine the delight the likes mr Edwards , a Dimbleby or one of the Girls on the BBC staff will get from doing the outside broadcast on the 31st without the bell ringing at 11pm followed by the EU flags being pulled down in Cardiff Belfast and best of all Edinburgh …. or … maybe not . ….there may be tears ._

Funny how things change – economically. When I was a child my parents had two daily newspapers delivered: the Daily Sketch and the Daily Telegraph. The Sketch merged with the Mail, in I think the mid/late-1960s. My parents fairly quickly decided, when prices rocketed in the early 1970s that they didn’t like the Mail as much as the Sketch and it was cancelled.

Fed, I was looking at my Millennium pics the other day and it brought back memories of that fake ‘River of Fire’ thing. Funny how none of the Press got a photo of it, all those cameras trained on the celebrations.

Up2
Even if the Big Ben thing does go ahead it will done out of malice . As I said in the earlier comment – it would be really great if some brexiters could help out those countries where they are seeing the EU in the same way as the majority in the UK,
And pay back some of the traitorous work of Blair , grieve , letwin et al- which I’m sure will continue as they try to formulate the re joining campaign with serious quantities of Soros cash .

I, like many I expect ,found Laurence Fox a revelation on
Question Time ,last night. I can’t imagine the BBC ever asking him back again !
Did you see Shami Chakrabarti’s face and in fact Fiona Bruce as
well when he facetiously changed his support for Keir Starmer
to any of the four women ,when Chakrabarti him what was
wrong with the women candidates.
As others have noted the BBC had their usual plant
in the audience and after the plant had inferred that Fox
was a white male racist. Fox apologised sarcastically for being
born white.
The diversity department at the BBC must of been in a state
of shock at his answers to questions, last night. But did not
have the time to edit it out .
Don’t ever expect the BBC to employ Laurence Fox the actor
in ANYTHING.

LBC’s Fogarty tweeted to say she’s done lots on grooming gangs
I don’t know if that is true, but I doubt if she did anything years ago

If Meghan Markle suffers online abuse that requires digital analysts at a university to actually go looking for, it’s hold the front page but if white girls suffer rape and death at the hands of Asian grooming gangs the silence is deafening. https://t.co/djo3LLNVXQ

We found out in Cologne, we found in Rotherham, we are finding out again and again, and still the religion of Islam avoids blame or even scrutiny. The media, politicians, the commentator class, still insists on smearing an entire continent to shield the real culprit; a religion that teaches contempt for us, our culture, and certainly our women.

The police didn’t prevent child rape in Greater Manchester because the rapists were Muslims. They chose to allow girls to be brutally raped to protect the reputation of Muslims. Meanwhile, the establishment, police and beyond, pursued “racism” at every turn.

The message was clear, shut up about rape gangs or we’ll label you a racist and destroy your life. They set a stark example with their relentless campaign of injustice against Tommy Robinson. Labour led the way politically, turning a blind eye to the rape of girls in its own voting heartlands, and manipulating party selections to elevate Muslims to positions of local authority. Labour is at it again this week; all of its leadership candidates have promised to bow down to the Muslim Council of Britain’s demands to further protect Islam from criticism.

I think what concerns here on this forum is BBC & metrolibal media bias creating a fake-picture of the world
eg in the way that some GREAT crimes are UNDER-REPORTED
and DISCUSSION of some ROOT causes is suppressed
We are not really concerned with lower crimes nor crimes that have been proportionately reported.

There are indeed bad people of all types in the UK but NONE should enjoy special protection.
One can go to databases as shown above by Maxi
like theukdatabase.net
and use search terms and also try various spellings
But be careful of the fallacy of comparing apples with oranges

eg. a bad guy caught by a paedophile-hunter sting before he hurt real victims
..with a whole set of gangs who groomed/raped/traded/pimps the same child victims for years whilst the police turned a blind eye

“One can go to databases as shown above by Maxi like theukdatabase.net and use search terms and also try various spellings…”

‘One’ could do that, except in this case I did not.

It’s revealing that your immediate response when confronted with the reality of child rape and sexual abuse in this country is to make excuses; “search terms… apples and oranges… ‘real’ victims…”.

Whether it’s Christian Bishops, Muslim taxi drivers, teachers, care workers, film & tv personalities or (in the vast majority of cases) family members; the sexual abuse of children in this country is continually enabled by a society that “makes excuses”.

But never mind confronting any of that; let’s just blame “The Muslims” instead.

Poor maxi – does not grasp the difference between the crimes of individual men and the methodology of third world Pakistani imported Muslim paedophile rape gangs preying on a particular group of victims .

You really are on a loser – perhaps your intellect is challenged by the time of day you are posting . But I suppose you gain some kind of psychological satisfaction by having your existence acknowledged by responses by good people on this site .
Yet to hear you supporting your biased far left BBC recently – you’ve obviously come to the conclusion about its ‘ bias people here have

There is a charity advert (like all the others that ask us for £3 a month), which refers to an 11 year old Indian (Pakistani) girl “who is soon to be married and expected to be aware and do things that children her age should not know about”.

So, if we are asked to contribute to child agencies in protecting them from cultural sexual abuse in 3rd world countries, then don’t tell me that Muslim men who live in the UK aren’t up to the same practices.

@BRISSLES
I see charity advert’s like this every day & wonder – where are the parents?
these “charities” need your £’s year after year to give a safe haven for the kids without stopping the root problem.

cynic that I am wonders how the sales team work – “pulling on heart strings brings in good money from the old folk – target met – lets have a pay rise for the hard working charity staff & give the kids what’s left”

rotherham
population 100k
muslims 9k
muslim adults lets say 4.5k for arguments sake unlikely as that is
muslim adult males 2250 including pensioners and the infirm
abused children according to the official coverup 1400 figure still rising

Those crimes are publicly reported. But when the moslem crimes come to court, the BBC first hides them away in the depths of its merely local coverage, and in a little while withdraws the report altogether. Blink, and you miss it.

As we fast approach Freedom and Liberty day have a look at the faces and the comments on youtube “The EU Referendum – FULL Results – BBC” Broadcast 26 June 2016.
Much more entertaining than watching live Al Beeb.

I think the racist far-left bbc should put all these whiners in a room, tell them there’s an amount of money to cover all their wages but it’s up to them to decide how to divide it up between them.
And they don’t leave the room until they’ve all reached an agreement.

Perhaps the consultancy firm the BBC has hired using taxpayers cash should hire a consultancy firm ….. hire a consultancy firm …….

Have you ever worked with a consultancy firm ? I have . The pattern seems to be thar whoever hires them has a personal relationship with the one selected , very good contract – then the existing people do the work for the consultancy firm which produces a report with recommendations whoever commissioned it wanted in the first place .

And for big organisations it’s like a pebble in a puddle – soon gone and back to life as before ….. minus a few tens of thousands of pounds ….

After it was revealed that an ‘audience ‘ member who accused a panelist of being a ‘racist ‘ because of a comment about an American actress – it dawned on me ( slow thar I am ) that not only does the BBC manipulate opinion by fixing the panel ( ie to majority remainers and snowflakes ) but it also fixes the complexion of the audience – just enough ‘friends of the BBC’ to set the complexion of opinion with the right sort of approved clapping in the right place and the right sort of planted question .
Ordinary people in the audience would modify their non snowflake view after seeing the whole thing is ‘fixed ‘

So when an episode goes ‘off script’ it is noticed – here and on Twitter – because it is so unusual .

The whole think Is just a corrupt ritual aimed at shaping public opinion . Bet the viewing figures are declining ….

Has happened before… often, so no reason to expect the fallout to be any different, but my social media spidey sense does detect a degree of unease over the degree of stitch to get this one up.

Especially given Mr. Fox is copping it still from the BBC’s clearly deranged groupie section for being invited on by the BBC, politely answering BBC stitch up questions and failing to cower before their BBC ringer. And subsequently in defence elsewhere.

The national broadcaster blatantly targeting a person for catching them out big time seems… disproportionate and gratuitous.

Maybe more than an anonymised bbc drone might be called upon to explain, and someone senior actually get held to account?

Maxi
I’m honoured – I saw the clip – in my view I saw her as a racist – she referred to his colour – he was offended by her description of him and said he thought she was racist so that will do for me –
– one of the many weaknesses in the racism industry – in which you may well be employed is the concept that if someone thinks it’s racist – it is .

By the way maxi – I don’t watch QT for the obvious reason thar it is ritualistically biased to those views which the BBC approves of – I watched the clip on twitter and monitored the abuse Mr Fox has been getting from people like you.

‘The January 1994 bushfires in New South Wales have renewed, once again, the public awareness of the susceptibility of Australia to fire. However, our history suggests that this awareness will be short-lived for the majority of the population. One of the consequences of improved bushfire control is that fewer and fewer people have a regular association with fire. This is reflected in changes in community attitudes towards fire and their own ability to live with what is a very natural and very Australian phenomenon. A better understanding of fire principles, better equipment and better communication by fire authorities will continue to reduce the average area of countryside burnt each year. However, it is because of this that the general public will be less prepared and more reliant on external services and perhaps more prone to disasters in the future.’

When Aussies berate their Prime Minister and rant about climate change they have forgotten the truth about Australia…it is highly susceptible to fire…and when measures designed to mitigate that possibility, such as controlled burning, are recently being prevented by green activists, that possibility increases….but you won’t hear the BBC raising that qualification to their alarmist scaremongering.

The BBC is going climate change bonkers, more so than ever, and is pumping out a relentless stream of climate change propaganda…turn on the radio or TV and almost certainly the subject will be climate change…and God help us the COP in Glasgow isn’t until November…we’re going to be remorselessly brainwashed unil then in the hope that we get so scared that we will accept the most extreme and ludicrous policies in order to ‘save the planet’ and stop it burning…lol.

I heard this morning from a BBC presenter that ‘The world is burning and it’s very scary’…I mean…come on…that’s complete bo**ocks…and whatever issue is being debated it always turns around to climate change and shouldn’t we be changing our lifestyles? Less meat, less fashion, less driving, less flying, less plastic, less, well, everything…and of course veganism is being promoted as the saviour of the planet….and is being hyped as something that ‘everyone’ is doing…despite less than 1% of people actually claiming to be vegan. This is of course a narrative designed to make you think ‘everyone’ is going vegan and so you should also…it’s a huge lie intended to deceive you in order to change your behaviour.

And what about that claim that the ‘world is burning’? No, no it’s not…even Australia isn’t burning…or not as much as the BBC would like you to think….the fires are in no way extraordinary nor unprecedented…in fact they are nowhere near the worst fires that have occured in the past.

The BBC tells us…

‘Some 28 people have so far been killed – including four firefighters – and an estimated 10 million hectares (100,000 sq km or 15.6 million acres) of bush, forest and parks across Australia has burned.’

The BBC also tells us…

‘This year, it is Australia’s turn, with the most widespread bushfires on record continuing to spread devastation, death and despair. ‘

Hmmm…‘the most widespread bushfires on record’…really? When do the BBC records begin then? 1976?

The Australian government tells us that in 1974 things were much, much worse…and in fact it was heavy rainfall leading to lush plant growth that encouraged the fires….

‘ In 1974-75, lush growth of grasses and forbs following exceptionally heavy rainfall in the previous two years provided continuous fuels through much of central Australia and in this season fires burnt over 117 million hectares or 15 per cent of the total land area of this continent.’

So today it’s 10 million hectares…in 1974 it was 117 million hectares.

And let’s look again at that ‘world burning claim’….seems I’ve seen that before somewhere….oh yes..in the BBC’s very own ‘Science Focus’ magazine…

Australian wildfires: is there anything that can be done to stop the world burning?

Get this last thought from the magazine…

‘The bottom line is that it is hardly surprising that as conditions become hotter and drier, these bits become crisped and burned by heat and fire, leading to questions being asked about the country’s long-term future on an overheated world.

Whisper it, but maybe – at long last – the recognition that the fate of Australia is at stake will knock some sense into the climate change deniers and obfuscators who govern the country, so that they begin, seriously to tackle emissions in line with what the science says is needed.’

Hardly impartial is it? ironically it goes on finally to link to the BBC’s Reality Check…

‘Visit the BBC’s Reality Check website at bit.ly/reality_check_ or follow them on Twitter @BBCRealityCheck’

Nice to see the BBC is pushing out even more blatantly biased propaganda ‘off ranch’ where it thinks it can get away with it.

Don’t blame scientists. The BBC said it was scientists that made this decision, but if that was true then the BBC must have replaced 24 scientists with 24 scientifically unqualified Environmental Activists. I presume what happened was that the BBC replaced them because they found out that they were sceptics, but forgot to tell Helen Boaden about the changes. Fortunately for the BBC, Members of Parliament, the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express Editors have forgotten about this event, probably due to memory loss. But Delingpole still can remember this incident.

Laurence Fox , bless him , has been fighting his corner on twitter against all comer snowflakes objecting to his opinions and existence . He’d be welcome on this site . I might even force myself to watch a repeat of the QT because apparently – as was mentioned on the previous threat – Shabi the whitewasher had a face made for space …

The number of comments about Guardianised BBC shows is falling as less people listen.
A few comments under bbcmoreorless do point out things like the UK economy is progressing better than much of Europes etc.

\\ Hey guys, to be impartial you might give coverage to the fact that Remain economists were indeed wrong about the Referendum and are likely wrong about #Brexit altogether. //

M Courtney’s long analysis
This week’s More or Less on BBC R4 was very poor, by its standards.
It came close to being genuinely educational.
But it repeatedly confused models with reality.
It didn’t ask if the models were right !
(Remember Feyman
And Modellers have a rule to remember that REALITY is king
“All models are wrong” , cos they never 100% emulate reality in the long run )

Validation ?
It wasn’t really the “Brexit has cost more than our entire EU net contributions” section.
That explained the methodology quite well.
They track the UK ‘s economic growth against a modelled blend of other G7 countries.
The model was tuned to track the UK’s performance and then the divergence post-Brexit was called the “cost of Brexit”.
It’s a good idea. If there was no divergence when the model was stopped being tuned at all other points.
But without discussing that we have no idea how validated the model is.

Exceptional Factors
They ended with Liverpool Football Club’s recent performance.
The statisticians have run 10,000 simulations and in none of them have Liverpool done as well as they have in reality this season.
LFC have lost none, drawn one and won 20 in the league so far.
The models had the best scenario being lost none, drawn three and won 18.
(that’s weird cos 100% wins is really a possible but unlikely scenario)
So the argument was that Liverpool have been incredibly lucky – proven by the number of one goal wins.
But surely we should prioritise reality?
There must be a factor that LFC have that the model fails to include.
LFC aren’t lucky two times more than a 1 in 10,000 chance. The model fails instead.

In fact that is obviously the case.
This paragraph is non-stats talk. BEWARE: sports talk ahead!
LFC have bought the world’s most expensive and best central defender. He beat Messi to FIFA Player of the Year in 2019 despite being in a non-glamourous defensive role. They also have (arguably) Brazil and the world’s best goalkeeper, the world’s most attacking full-backs and a front three who don’t need midfield support to score goals (allowing extra defensive cover). The model does not understand that such an exceptional defence is well down the thin tail of the bell curve.
In truth LFC must be very good as their World Club Cup and European Cup wins show.

Opinion : It was the worst episode of More or Less ever.
Following on from a the worst Dr Who episode ever the BBC is greatly disappointing me this week.

More or Less seems to have forgotten that statistics are a way to describe the world.
Not that the world should obey statistics and must be put on the naughty step if it doesn’t.

As far as I know, the facts support Brexit and BBC dogma supports Remain. BBC Dogma says Customs Union “Good”, WTO rules “Bad”. The Facts say Britain has a Customs Union trade deficit, and a WTO rules trade surplus. So just like Climate Change, its very easy to prove that the BBC uses “Fake News” in most of its stories.

Really excited about my presenting debut on @BBCRadio4! I investigate how safe UK mosques are in a time of rising Islamophobia and attacks. Produced by the awesome @mendlusi, catch it at 8pm on Monday 20th Jan ☺️ pic.twitter.com/55voTk4u3a

SG,
“….Our Mosques?” Be damned! Look luv, it ain’t our mosques. They are only frequented by a small number of the population so you’d better not fuss over, “Our” mosques. On the other hand, perhaps you are so useless in your employers eyes, they palmed you off with something to do in order to just keep you occupied and earn your now grossly inflated salary thanks to Samira, your colleague.

Stopped listening to The News Quiz in 2016, tired of its relentlessly left wing, anti-Brexit and humourless jibes. Listened to just 15 minutes of the show this evening. No change. Switched off, probably for another few years. Alas, @BBCRadio4, you are failing in your mission.

Stanley Johnson , father of the Prime Minister , has been on BBC radio 4 a lot lately .
I’m suspicious of Al Beeb and believe them capable of anything ,so where’s the angle .
Well ,
I’m not a Boris fan , I couldn’t read his Telegraph articles and thought him a blusterer and nincompoop .
But
Others see him differently , perhaps I’m missing something , perhaps he’s up there with President Trump , there’s method in his madness etc .
So why the airtime given to the old man ?

1) Could be because he’s such an old duffer , bigger blusterer then his son , archaic old Etonian that they want to taint by association ?
2) That he is a EUrophile , served in that sham parliament it shows conservatives could be EU supporters ? .
3) They hope to trip him up about something embarrassing to our Prime Minister ?
Or all three ?

I have to switch off when he starts talking ,but then maybe I’m missing something , hidden talents within that family ? If so I won’t learn about them from the BBC .

It now transpires the man who claimed he had an explosive device in Dukinfield Manchester was one Meysam Cordi – a fine English name – not! It apparantly originates from Iran / Persia, although to date no motive for his odd activities are known.

I would like to be a good all round guy .
I would like my employment CV to read

Tyrants toppled
Drug cartels busted
Maidens saved
Bush fires extinguished
Civil wars pacified
Asteroids diverted
All cancers cured
Presiding over a third world country and running it with the wisdom of Solomen that it overtakes Switzerland for the health and wealth of its inhabitants .

Sadly alas I have negative attributes and even I can see that the above is not possible . I know I have limitations .

One of my limitations is that my face is made for radio , and my voice for teaching sign language . So I lower my sights and don’t strive for a job in the broadcast media .
Perhaps I should rethink the norm , as the BBC does every Prosecco lunchtime and insist any job going there is mine by right of social engineering , nepotism and discrimination .
This might seem heartless , but shouldn’t radio presenters be good radio presenters and those that get paid to appear on radio good guests on the shows ?
Heartless again but the ex Labour leader John Smiths daughter is not radio material , is she ?
And the News Quiz had someone with a communication affliction that not just slowed the tempo but was not right for that show ?
The lady guest would be an ideal scriptwriter perhaps ( I’d switched off ) .
Whatever her disability , the social engineering does not excuse the fact that we cannot all attain what we want and we all accept and lower our sights to a job or career that we are proficient at . Otherwise we’d have blind people piloting our planes that Emma Thompson and Caroline Lucas travel in .

“Countdown clock to illuminate Downing Street on Brexit Day”https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51149538
Boris, as Prime Minister of Great Britain you will go down in infamy if ‘the bell’ aint ringing out for freedom and independence.
Big Ben could be renamed as the “Liberty Bell” to further cement the the special relationship we have with the USA .
Make it so .

BBC Weather forecasters are supposed to be the only scientists employed by the BBC to comment on Climate science. But it seems they no longer talk to other scientists outside of the BBC bubble after being sent for training. So I presume that the training was provided by scientifically ignorant environmental activists, and consisted of Orwellian confirmation bias training to cherry pick all extreme weather events in the World as a change in Climate, even if they contradict the Arrhenius hypothesis. Scientists trampled into the ground by the Politicians, Journalists and Environmental Activists. Just another Liberal left-wing “Project Fear”. The BBC using its Environ Mental Thugs to use the threat of the sack, turning BBC Weather forecasters into the puppets of Environmental Activists. Environmental Activists teaching Scientists to replace scientific language with the moronic language of the Environmental Activist.

The Environmental Activists say the “science is settled”. Atmospheric Physicists said that the science would only be settled if you could calibrate the Greenhouse Effect on Venus. Two Scientists have just done that. So the science is settled. And the sceptics have won. Those sceptics where Scientist not Environmental Activists. So the Environmental Activists at the BBC have already lost.

I heard that there are talks between the Heartland Institute and the Chinese Academy. So its possible that China and the US could blow this fraud out of the water in November. To save British pride, British politicians and newspapers would need to blame Environmental Activists for corrupting our Universities and the BBC for the propaganda. They would also need to investigate BBC training schemes and who did the training. As well as investigating the powerful roll of environmental activists at the BBC and the progressive weakening influence of scientists this has produced.

Not yet reported on Al-beeb: Open Doors has release its 2020 World Watch List warning that Christian persecution is growing alarmingly.

More than 260 million Christians live in places where they experience high levels of persecution.

This includes murder, rape, torture and false imprisonment; as well as churches, shops and businesses attacked, burned or destroyed.

15 of the worst twenty countries are muslim majority, or having large or militant muslim minorities.

No doubt Al-beeb will get round to reporting this near-genocide in the Middle East, and there will be worldwide outrage.
But for now the Beeb is too busy being outraged at the lack of diversity at the Baftas and Oscars.

Not on the BBC website – not even on its South Yorkshire local page…..
Today’s Times splash that a police chief admitted that South Yorks police ignored the rape of girls by Pakistani gangs for decades through fear of increasing “racial tensions”, says an Independent Office for Police Conduct investigation.
This hugely important Times front page wasn’t even shown on the BBC news channel’s newspaper round-up this morning.
And again, not on the BBC website – not even on its Europe page….
French President Macron had to be evacuated from a packed theatre by armed riot police when a mob of protesters tried to get to him. Now, imagine if that was Trump.

Ed
Strange – also that the Toady paper review didn’t mention this article either . Instead it gave a biased mention of the Question Time exchange between an actor on the panel and ‘ a member of the audience over ‘ racism ‘ without mention the audience member was previously on the BBC payroll .

Now being a bit of a road casualty anorak, I do happen to know that the kind of training he is talking about is far more likely to reduce overall accidents than issuing speeding tickets.

Back to the point. I thought he was a bit lily livered too, fedup, but when he started talking about randomised control trials (the basis of all clinical effectiveness testing for drugs) then I started to give him the benefit of the doubt. If statistically re-offending rates reduce by 25% then he deserves a hearing, even if we still decide to lock them up. Many crimes are not solved and whether they are or not the impact on the victim should not be underestimated – as my next door neighbour can testify. Reduced re-offending does prevent a future crime and therefore saves a future victim going through a dreadful experience. It should be part of the overall equation.

A senior police officer admitted that his force ignored the sexual abuse of girls by Pakistani grooming gangs for decades because it was afraid of increasing “racial tensions”, a watchdog has ruled. https://t.co/56Lmvod9oi

This senior police officer should be arrested and put on trial for criminal negligence. His job was to enforce the law, not to make decisions which belong to the remit of the CPS or become a political analyst, free to decide whether he wanted to do his job or not, based on such analysis.
Needless to say he does the police version of ‘playing the race card’, to cover up his negligence and failure to do his job properly (with dire consequences for the people he got paid to protect). Or, to put it a little more harshly: “His was not to reason ‘why’, his was just to do or die.”
And he certainly didn’t ‘do’.
What, I wonder, if everyone in the country chose merely to do those parts of their jobs that were easy and convenient? “Sorry boss, I didn’t do x, y and z today, as I judged the consequences would not be good for us/our community. Will let you know when I feel like doing those things again…”
He needs to be made an example of, if only to stop the message from going out that police can pick and chose which of their duties they feel like doing, and which not! And we know that it is likely that this is still going on!
Probably sitting safely tucked away, on a fat pension.

Wow, there goes my faith in Which? (already lost it in the BBC). Lidl and Aldi weren't even included and the very specific branded items used to qualify aren't listed. Biased much?! https://t.co/laALEvJQm4

We came SO CLOSE to stopping Brexit last November: the folly of the opposition parties’ agreeing to an election is unspeakable, giving 100% power to Tories on 29% of the electorate, so they can drag our country into this bog of stupidity. So: we fight on, & will reverse it.

’Stew – thanks for the link -I like the line in the article I have cited below –

‘The Conservative government showed little respect to the BBC during the election itself. Meanwhile, the BBC has also shown little respect to Labour or the left over the last few years.‘

Whoever wrote it seemed a bit too thick to realise that the first sentence is true whilst the second sentence is frankly a joke . It seems to have forgotten that Corbyn got the leadership of the Labour Party through an accident of process and eventually paid the electoral price . Bringing a degree of sanity despite the conduct of the BBC and the traitors in parliament .

Strange that the BBC article left out the detail that the consultant haematologist – one Dr Asad Omran refused to approve required blood products when requested to do so . He was as home ‘consulting ‘

And from the Guardian – of all places —

over the Last week, the inquest heard from anaesthetist Dr Tom Hall, who broke down in court when he recounted how haematologist Asad Omran refused to issue more blood-clotting products. Dr Hall told the inquest: “He told me I should not be giving products because of evidence-based practice, it was the wrong thing. He started quoting research papers at me.”

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