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On Saturday, March 2, 2013 I when to WCBA ALL DAY SPRING MEETING(Worcester County Beekeepers Association In Massachusetts )Dr. Jeff Pettis As research leader of the USDA-ARS Bee Research Laboratory in Beltsville,Dr. Jeff Pettis Say Coumaphos will kill sperm inside the queen bees and you will get a drone lays or you may get a shotgun lays.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

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"Tell me and I'll forget,show me and I may remember,involve me and I'll understand" Chinese Proverb

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways." John F. KennedyFranklin County Beekeepers Association MA. http://www.franklinmabeekeepers.org/

"Tell me and I'll forget,show me and I may remember,involve me and I'll understand" Chinese Proverb

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways." John F. KennedyFranklin County Beekeepers Association MA. http://www.franklinmabeekeepers.org/

"Good will is the desire to have something else stronger and more beautiful for this desire makes oneself stronger and more beautiful." - Eli Siegel, American educator, poet, founder of Aesthetic Realism

I really dont understand what your saying here? I know whats in checkmite but as I said no has used it on mites for many years. It is still used for SHB and IMHO it is nasty stuff. No one treats mites with it

This discussion is taking a detour into Never-Never-Land and it's not useful. Let's get back on track.

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"Good will is the desire to have something else stronger and more beautiful for this desire makes oneself stronger and more beautiful." - Eli Siegel, American educator, poet, founder of Aesthetic Realism

I had been treatment free up until last season. I lost all sixteen of my colonies over the winter. I made a post about this previously. NO more treatment free. It's like vaccinations: Either every bee colony in the world goes treatment free, sustains unspeakable losses and hopefully reaches balance with the invading pest. OR every colony in the world gets its vaccination until the pest is a thing of the past. I don't have another answer. This loss had demoralized me, but I'm coming back.

I'll be using MAQS on my full colonies in the fall.

I think I'll make a new revised post: "What are the best mite treatments and best timing for newly collected swarms?"

IMHO this opened it up for all kinds of treatments on varroa mites. If I am wrong I do apologize.

BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

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"Tell me and I'll forget,show me and I may remember,involve me and I'll understand" Chinese Proverb

"The farmer is the only man in our economy who buys everything at retail, sells everything at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways." John F. KennedyFranklin County Beekeepers Association MA. http://www.franklinmabeekeepers.org/

"Good will is the desire to have something else stronger and more beautiful for this desire makes oneself stronger and more beautiful." - Eli Siegel, American educator, poet, founder of Aesthetic Realism

I know I do not have the experience most people here have. What I lack in experience I more than make up for in common sense. I believe in the non-treatment to a point. I think it's important that bee's be allowed to develop resistances to diseases in their environment naturally.

What I don't agree with is the fanaticism by which some people would allow complete die outs to occur without any intervention. It's not practical, it's cruel, and it's expensive. I would be willing to try natural treatments and in severe cases, treatments like MAQ's, which have so far been proven not to be detrimental to the bees and their larvae.

Read the directions for MAQ's. Temperature is very important. I used it last year, very effective, also killed a lot lot bees. I'm talking a pretty good pile in front of every colony. This year I'm going to use oxalic acid in both vapor and trickle. Vapor for mid summer knock down and trickle for fall broodless period. Oxalic acid occurs naturally in honey and many plants I don't see a down side to it. Finski's formula for the European trickle method is a sticky the vaporization method is well documented in this forum. I made a stainless steel pipe about 4ft long to deliver the vapor and plan to use a propane burner to get to the correct temp. A 1" shim used on top of the colony and a cloth to seal the entrance up.

Formic acid in MAQS also is found naturally in the hive. As always read the instructions. remove entrance reducers, if bees crowd heavily outside the hive, add an empty super to give them room to move around in the hive if needed. Ray, the broodless period most likely will be in the December timeframe. But it is important to treat before they start reaing the winter bees so they have a better chance of going into winter healthy.

Formic acid in MAQS also is found naturally in the hive. As always read the instructions. remove entrance reducers, if bees crowd heavily outside the hive, add an empty super to give them room to move around in the hive if needed. Ray, the broodless period most likely will be in the December timeframe. But it is important to treat before they start reaing the winter bees so they have a better chance of going into winter healthy.

Are you saying to place an empty super on top of the boxes when treating with MAQS? What would be the reason to do this?

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"Good will is the desire to have something else stronger and more beautiful for this desire makes oneself stronger and more beautiful." - Eli Siegel, American educator, poet, founder of Aesthetic Realism

Formic acid in MAQS also is found naturally in the hive. As always read the instructions. remove entrance reducers, if bees crowd heavily outside the hive, add an empty super to give them room to move around in the hive if needed. Ray, the broodless period most likely will be in the December timeframe. But it is important to treat before they start rearing the winter bees so they have a better chance of going into winter healthy.

Are you saying to place an empty super on top of the boxes when treating with MAQS? What would be the reason to do this?

Temp can be a real problem with MAQS. To hot and it disperses the vapor to fast. To consentrated vapor and bee's start dieing, bearding and could abscond. A empty super just gives them more temporary space.

Formic acid in MAQS also is found naturally in the hive. As always read the instructions. remove entrance reducers, if bees crowd heavily outside the hive, add an empty super to give them room to move around in the hive if needed. Ray, the broodless period most likely will be in the December timeframe. But it is important to treat before they start rearing the winter bees so they have a better chance of going into winter healthy.

Are you saying to place an empty super on top of the boxes when treating with MAQS? What would be the reason to do this?

Temp can be a real problem with MAQS. To hot and it disperses the vapor to fast. To consentrated vapor and bee's start dieing, bearding and could abscond. A empty super just gives them more temporary space.

Sounds like good advice.

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"Good will is the desire to have something else stronger and more beautiful for this desire makes oneself stronger and more beautiful." - Eli Siegel, American educator, poet, founder of Aesthetic Realism

I believe in the non-treatment to a point. I think it's important that bee's be allowed to develop resistances to diseases in their environment naturally.

What I don't agree with is the fanaticism by which some people would allow complete die outs to occur without any intervention. It's not practical, it's cruel, and it's expensive. I would be willing to try natural treatments and in severe cases, treatments like MAQ's, which have so far been proven not to be detrimental to the bees and their larvae.

Seconded. I do not believe in "preventative" treatment for my bees; I don't automatically medicate by calendar. However, if the colony is obviously ill and suffering, and I can easily help with some non-toxic treatment or even a special hive component, it's not even a dilemma for me.

Miteaway pads that was replaced with the miteaway quick strips was a 21 day treatment. The quick strips is a 7 day treatment. All the rest are 21 days. melliferal "if the colony is obviously ill and suffering" By the time you start seeing "ill and suffering" you are to late.