> father openly swears throughout entire life
> be 20
> call home because roommates are being retarded
> "Dad my roommates are ****** ..."
> "Stop bitching, it serves you right for moving in with a ******* couple"
mfw

>Arguing with mother.
>Yelling in my face.
>Yelling back the exact same way.
>"How dare you talk to me like that?"
>"Well, this is how you talk to me and as I know, parents should make an example for their children so I'm just doing what I see from you every time you're angry."
>"..."
>MFW

Mum: Did you walk home through the woods?
Me: I walked home down the road
Mum: But I'm asking you if you walked through the woods
Me: I walked down the road
Mum: BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN IF YOU WALKED THROUGH THE WOODS OR NOT
Me: I walked down the road, on the opposite side of the woods, there was no woods involved, just roads
Mum: DON'T TALK BACK TO ME LIKE THAT

She also yelled at me for having a cold
Mum: YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A COLD, YOU SHOULD HAVE GOT HOME EARLIER
Me: I walked through a 1000 man snowball fight
Mum: SO?
Me: I got hit by snowballs the size of small children
Mum: ...
then she pulls an angry face and walks away

Right then, so I was about ten when my parents decided to test my tolerance for their shenanigans.

Me:(Wanting to do something)
Parents:(Screaming at my ******* face) No!
Me:Okay, fine. Why not?
Parents:(Still yelling like assholes) Because we said so!
Me:That's not a reason. Why is this a bad thing to do?
Parents:You are our son, so that is a good enough reason
MFW
Me:(More articulate form of what I said, but still the general gist of it) No, it isn't, your job as a parent is to teach me how to use common sense so that I can operate like a proper human being, neglect to do so is the reason for almost all stupidity and delinquency in society.
Them:...
Me:Well?
Them:Okay. (They explain why they said no.)

That's exactly what I say. My dad says it's his job to be my boss, and I say that's ********** it's your job to teach me the ways of the world and how to be a functional human being. Sometimes that involves, you know, telling me why the **** you do stuff. The ONLY reason you could POSSIBLY have for refusing to tell me your reasoning is that you have none. Of course I get no response to that because my father is an irrational d-bag sometimes (most of the time).

Back when I was a freshman in high school, my mom was married to this super-douche. Every time I would argue with her, she'd get him to yell at me, and most of the time, he didn't even know what the argument was about. He's call it disrespect and beat the **** out of me usually. They divorced and he's a fatter, lazier slob now and the last time we fought I kicked his ass so bad he couldn't walk or see the next day.
tl;dr Stupid ******* stepdad kept on talking **** so I leveled his ass.

15 minuttes ago.
>taking a dump
>the door telephone (don't know what it's called) rings
>dads yells and tells me to answer it
>can't - taking a dump
>he answers it and yells.. no respones
>he was holding the button down
>get out of bathroom and tell him to let go of the button
>yells even more at me and tells me not to tell him what to do
>but he still does it, and he gets an answer
>look at him
>more yelling, some **** about me not thinking I'm smarter than him, etc.
>argument
>I win

>be in high school, doing project at home
>Go up to my room at 10:00
>Come down at 12:30 for lunch
>Mom yells at me for taking a break already
>"You were only up there for an hour"
>"Actually it was 2 and a half"
>"Don't talk back to me"

Well, to be honest, sometimes parents simply don't want to give an explanation. It's not that they don't have a reason, it's that they shouldn't need a reason. They're the parents, and if they ask you to do something for them, it's respectful to do it.

Maybe so but its also a parent's job to be a teacher for the child. This means having to explain things. If you went to school and the teacher said 2+2 is 4, having never been in a math class, you'd have some questions. A parent getting angry at their child for wanting to understand, is like that teacher writing you up for asking why it equals 4.

That's not necessarily true. If your mom asks you to go outside and get the mile, she's not really obligated to tell you why. Actually, there really isn't a reason other than she wants you to and she said so.

Teachers get paid to answer questions, parents don't. If your parents are trying to teach you something about the world (like the birds and the bees or w/e) they're going to answer your questions. However, when giving you a command, that's different.

I'll agree that commands by parents should be obeyed. But we, or at least I, was talking about differences in point of view. Disagreements that sort of thing. Probably could have made that more clear : /

They make the rules in their house. They determine fairness, justice and correctness.

When you have children you'll understand. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm really not. But the world is different than you think. You'll reach a point where mom and dad aren't idiots, and their wisdom is needed. They'll go from being the biggest idiots on the planet, to hopefully your rock, your center of knowledge. At the end of the day, they're not infallible people who are always correct, they're two people trying to turn you into a good human being.

Lastly, my children are probably around your age. They don't always agree, and are allowed to discuss what they feel is unfair. I don't have concrete opinions, and they have changed my mind multiple times. BUT, if they crossed the line and disrespected their mother, I'd break my foot off in their ass. You only get one mom bro, be cool to her even when you don't think she deserves it.

I'd like to personally say as a dude whose parents disowned his sister for being a lesbian, that parents are NOT always correct.

Just because THEY own the house does NOT mean that they determine 'correctness'

They can pick and choose how to kim jongister justice, but that does not make them correct for doing so. It simply means they have power. Being in power doesn't mean you are RIGHT, it just means you don't HAVE to be right.

For the most part, parents typically know what they are talking about, but I'd be a liar and you are too if you think that parents are never wrong. I realize that there is going to be a time in my life where my kids prove me wrong about something, and I'm going to be damned sure it isn't correct, then I'm going to think it over, and realize they figured out more than me. Do you know why? Because they expanded upon MY knowledge. Upon what I'VE taught them, and they've extrapolated their own conclusions based off of that.

Don't be ridiculous. Your job as a parent isn't to be right. It is to teach your kids to be right.

That's really ****** up. Why would you be mad at your daughter for being gay? She's not going to get pregnant, that's a plus.

back to the topic at hand. Because it's their house, yes they do determine right and wrong. In their house it's wrong to be a lesbian. I don't agree with it, it's appalling and shocking, but it's their house. Right and wrong isn't determined by what I like and don't like. It's sure as **** not determined by my children either.

As I said, I allow my children to discuss almost everything with me when it comes to our justice system. That's right in my house. Not because they like it, not because others like it, but because I've determined that's right for our family. I've determined it's fair. I am the head of the house, that's my choice. Leadership determines the rules, the rules determine fairness. Fairness is your tool to judge right and wrong. When it comes to morality who should determines what is right and wrong in a home?

Also, that's a misrepresentation of what I said.

"Don't be ridiculous. Your job as a parent isn't to be right. It is to teach your kids to be right. "

I in fact said otherwise.

" they're not infallible people who are always correct, they're two people trying to turn you into a good human being"

Following your SKEWED logic, if a father raped his daughter and battered his wife every night, and said that that is what is RIGHT in his household, then the daughter should by no means feel as if she has any rights of hers being broken, she is by no means ALLOWED to be upset because daddy has said that this is right, and in his house apparently he creates the code of morality.

He doesn't. Your ****** morality is still subject to the law, and even if you decide you're going to invent for your own family what is right and wrong, it does not make it so.

Morality is not so simple as 'The rules say this, so this is true'

That is a story for another time, though. The point is, parents are fallible, as you've admitted, and therefore can not be seen as being always correct or even fair. They can only be seen as the one with the power to punish you if you don't skip to their tune.

I'll say it one more time. Say it with me. POWER. DOES NOT. MAKE YOU. RIGHT.

Actually, power makes you the authority. Being the authority makes you right. Being in control means you establish the rules. Morality is most certainly determined by the authority via their power to establish right and wrong. Say it in caps, you're ****** wrong.

No matter how you stack it, you're wrong. In the US our women are not considered immoral for wearing tank tops right? What about Iran? The authority determined it's immoral. Can I go there and demand women wear tank tops? If I have authority, sure.

Morality by definition is determined by right and wrong, good and bad.

Say it with me

Power determines authority
Authority determines the set of rules
the rules determine right and wrong
morality is defined by following right and wrong
Control is power.

Being the authority makes you right, correct and just. Like it or not, it's the truth.

Humans created the abstract idea of morality. Humans are flawed.
Morality is, in essence, the universal rights and wrongs that exist.
BECAUSE different cultures, authorities, people set their own standards of morality (What is moral for you is not moral in your neighbor's eyes, necessarily, and not both of you can be paradoxically correct )
This evidence suggests that humans:

a.) Have no way of knowing if morality truly exists

b. ) If it does exist, we would have no possible way of knowing what it truly was

c.) The very fluctuation of what is right or wrong based on power does not prove that power is morality, it simply proves that we are eternally wrong in attempting to guess.

So, from this, we can conclude-

Morality is not something that is universally right or wrong. It is an idea that is held inherently within the human mind, and thus exists solely as 'dark matter'

Nothing it truly moral, because nothing can be factually proven to be 'right' or 'wrong', because, as you mentioned, there is a fluctuation of power.

Also, I can't, because dad says that it's evil to call the police, and he is always right, remember?

Morality is based on something like being treated the way you treat others
It is of course just an idea, pointless and only existing within our minds, perhaps written on a piece of paper. However should this piece of paper be burnt morality would cease do exist. So yes, it is pointless. Perhaps it's simply our nature, perhaps it is slightly more preferred for society not to descend into chaos and arson, or maybe the average man never thought about it

it all goes down to how everyone sees it. What may be right in your parents' house may be wrong to someone else. Like the example he gave about rape. That father may think it's right but that doesn't mean it is and that the kid should just let it happen because it's their parent. Are you saying they should just let it happen?

Something my own parents like to say is that anyone can be a mother/father, but that doesn't automatically make you a mom/dad. Literally anyone with the biological means can spew out a kid, but it takes not being a complete asshole to be a parent. By your logic, anyone who has a kid should be infallible just because they spawned a brat.

No, it takes being a decent human being to your kids, which means not abusing your "power of authority".

Wow, most people on funnyjunk have problems admitting that they are wrong. But you sir take it to the extreme, let us say that they kill all THEIR kids, because it's their house, and THEIR rules? what if I said " I don't agree with it, it's appalling and shocking, but it's their house. Right and wrong isn't determined by what I like and don't like. It's sure as **** not determined by my children either. " doesn't that make it right?

Have your parents told you the sun is a cube? Inside my parents home, the Christmas tree stays up all year because the attic is too cold and the branches will break (true story) when the reality is, the branches aren't effected by cold. is my mom wrong? Nope, it's her home.

If my Dad says 2+2=5 is he wrong? YES, he can be wrong when it comes to true or false. But that's not the context of what we're talking about. Wrong, as a noun is used to describe unjust, unfair or immoral act. they can not be wrong in their home because they determine justice, fairness and morality.

And are you seeing the context in which he's using this?

"Dont' talk to me like that, I'm your mom"

Is she right? Yes, yes she is.

" That's disrespectful stop talking back to me"

Again, correct, just, fair and right. She can never be wrong on this because she... sets.. the rules.

Your mom is still wrong. A tree is not affected by it's location on Earth, only by what it is supplemented. And just becasue she holds sentimental value to a construction of brick and wood, that does not allow her to defy the laws of biology, or the laws of the sate or country which she is now located in. (Some exceptions regarding tourism. Note: I have heard that you are allowed to do whatever you please in Texas if you own the soil which you are comitting the act on, regardless of the federal or state laws.)

And wrong can also mean false, regarding fact and truth.

I see you point in making rules for your own home, what is disrespectful and immoral ect, but you still cannot label that as right, since it's entirely opinion, which is something you can't say is either right or wrong, becasue it varies from eaach individual.

Well it's morally wrong to do so, and because a piece of paper indicates someone owns a structure doesn't make their actions right in it. No type of 'correctness' or 'fairness' is dictated by the person who owns something. About as related to each other as a potato and the bill of rights
Also reading your comments you sound like an actual representation of every southern/christian backwards thinking stereotype there was

I'm eighteen years old and I like it when people at least admit the fact that they're wrong. Especially when it's blatantly obvious and there's no deniable proof that they're anything but wrong.

Especially when it involves my getting in trouble for something I haven't done. Or the fact that my parents can be major hypocrites to things that just don't make any sense. I can understand respect and I respect my parents completely. But in turn I would at least like a little respect myself when it comes to a point that they ARE wrong.

But my parents can't do that. at least my mother can't anyway. and that kind of makes me mad when someone can't admit their mistakes. Regardless if it's your house or not, admit when you're wrong. I can't come up with any scenario's that I've outsmarted my mother mostly because I haven't cared enough to remember.

Respect is one thing, I respect my parents whole heartedly . But if you're wrong, be a big enough person to admit it. I sure can. I'd come to respect them even more if they do that. That's a quality I don't see in a lot of parents. Especially since i'm at the age where i'm not some innocent stupid child who messes around with everyone. The problem is that my parent's just don't want to admit that they're wrong and say or do anything to make it so that they're right. "i'm the parent, so i'm automatically right."

Broseph, you're having trouble understanding the difference between "right" and "moral". In your parent's house, they have the last word in what's "moral", not "right". Moral is the difference between whether or not you were right to kick a bully in the nuts. Right is the difference between whether or not an event actually transpired.

For example, when my Dad owed me money, he didn't just yell at me whenever the conversation came up. What he did is he sat me down and said "I know I owe you money, but given the fact that I bought your car, I think we're even." That's how you be both moral, and right. Had he been more like super's mom, he'd have just flown into a drunken rage every time money came up at all and acted like there was no transaction at all.

To say that just because they own the house you live in, they're infallible? That's the same **** that lead to the dark ages. The one thing that needs to stay frigid, regardless of authority, is fact.

I'm wondering, are you the same guy I had this discussion with before? You sound like that same guy?

You believe it's impossible for you to be unjust, unfair or incorrect just because it's your house? You can be a total bitch. You can punish them excessively or for something they didn't do. You can state something that is just blatantly false. Just because you're the parent or guardian who's trying to make them a good person doesn't mean none of these things can happen. You said it yourself, you're not infallible.

"13-14 years old"
Try again.
And no, you're not inherently right. There's a point at which you're wrong and before that point yes it's your jurisdiction and right as a parent, but that point still exists.
You also didn't address the possibility of you being incorrect. If my mum said that the ocean was salty because of whale sperm (Just a random ******** myth I heard once or twice) I can call her out on it and explain why she's wrong, no matter my age, and she'll grant me that. Parents that don't come off as up themselves.

If you're arguing with your mom about sperm whales to the point your father has to get involved, you've got more problems than semantics.

If I say short skirts are not allowed in my home, they're not allowed. Is it fair? Yes, it's fair. I made the rule and adhered to it. I can say caffeine isn't allowed in my home (and did) is it right? Yes. Is it fair? yes. Is it correct? Certainly. Does it bother the kids from time to time? **** yes it does. But I make the rules.

Now,if your mom is arguing that bacon tastes like ass, that's her opinion. If she says it's banned from her house, that's a fact. It's the rule, it's fair and it's correct even if YOU don't like it.

Lets try again.

justice- The quality of being fair and reasonable.
Fair- n accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate

In my home I make the rules. How can I deviate from the rules when I set them? I can change the rules at any time, that's my right as the head of a home. I don't, but I can. My kids enjoy their life here, they have very few complaints. It's a very liberal home. But only because I as the leader chose so.

you can say that when you have a 16 year old know it all in your house who argues about ****** sperm whales you'll play the "valued opinion" game with him, but time will tell.

"16 year old know it all"
Try again.
And you're arguing from your experience, your perfectly reasonable set of rules. You're simply ignoring the fact that it's entirely possible for you to overstep a boundary where it's no longer fair on your children.
Also what's this about my father getting involved? It was an example, nothing more, of where a parent can just be factually wrong about something.

Regardless of whether or not it's up to you to decide, you still have to admit your mistakes. In the game of life, we are ALWAYS learning. I don't care how old you are. If you're wrong, admit it.

Plus, determining when you're right and wrong regardless of evidence, logic and proof, is just stupid. Can a judge just go, "well I don't care what either side says, this guy's guilty and that's that. Why? It's my courtroom, I make the decisions."

Actually no, he can't. otherwise he'd immediately be fired. A judge can't just say someone is guilty regardless of proof and evidence because otherwise they wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place.

And then said trial would be re-scheduled with a new judge.

just because it's the judge's room doesn't mean he can say and do whatever he wants. Now, i'm not entirely sure on all the things that go on in a court room, but I know for certain that a judge can't just go "this person is guilty" especially if all the proof and evidence shows that with undeniable truth that the person is innocent.