vale is imperative because it is giving the command to "be well!" (although we don't really think of it as a command, but rather as a wish)<br /><br />mea *is* in the vocative, and does agree with the noun. Note that the vocative form in this case is the same as the nominative form. Again, this is chapter 11 which you haven't reached yet.<br /><br />Does that make sense?

vale is imperative because it is giving the command to "be well!" (although we don't really think of it as a command, but rather as a wish)<br /><br /> My question here revolves around the second person 2nd / I<br />understand Imper. can be singular or plural / how is it 2nd person? I'm not sure how (or why)an Imperative has person.<br /><br />mea *is* in the vocative, and does agree with the noun. <br /><br />I jumped to Chapter 11 I cannot find -ae as a voc. singular ending in the 1st declension. I know it agrees with it's noun Help? lol

Salve\te<br /><br /> Ok, I may well have answered my own questions. Do I understand correctly that all Imperatives are in the 2nd person? If so, I have answered my own stupid questions (grrrrr)<br /><br /> Vale\te<br /> Ricardus

3rd imperative is what a third person SHOULD do. <br /><br />we don't really have it in english and have to say something to the effect of "let him do this" or "he should do this" or "i order him to do this"<br /><br />now that I revisit my forms I'm not sure that latin has it either... maybe someone more advanced than I can clarify ;)<br /><br />but greek has it!<br />

Ok guys, let's keep in mind that he is only on the first few chapters of Wheelock and that he doesn't need his head cluttered up with jussive subjunctives!<br /><br />Basic imperatives, like vale or lauda don't really need a person. Usually they are directed at a person whom you are talking to. The person whom you are talking to is normally the second person, because by definition, the second person is to whom you are speaking. This isn't very important right now because you will rarely address the person in the sentence with an imperative, but rather will tell them what to do. i.e.- "Praise the people of that city" or "Be strong"; in neither of these sentences do we require a second person, although we can certainly add a vocative if we choose to.<br /><br />Vale is simply an idiom that means "good-bye". If you want to translate it literally, it means "be well" as does salve which means "hello". This is just the way it is. If you look at English, it is not much different: Good-bye= God be with you; Hello is a variant of "Hail!" which also means "be well".<br /><br />As for these noun/verb analyses:<br /><br />vale = farewell\ be strong, (goodbye)<br />finite verb, 2nd conj., 2nd person, singular, Imper. Act.<br />All correct, except that imperatives do not have set persons by any reference or parsing method I have ever seen. The person is implied by context, so you do not need to say "2nd person", because you can just as easily say "Tell them" (say it to yourself in your head, or mutter under your breath) and you will still use the imperative singular. In other words, the whole singular side of the chart goes under "singular imperative" and the plurals go under "plural imperative" (until subjunctive.... >:()<br /><br />patria = fatherland \country\native land <br />noun, (f) 1st dec., voc., singular, Indic., Act. <br />Yes, but nouns cannot be indicative nor active, those are verbal attributes.<br /><br />mea = my<br />adj.? (f) 1st dec., voc., singular, Indic. Act. (agreeing with it’s noun)<br />Yes, it is an adjective. Adjectives do not have declensions, only genders, so rather than "1st dec.", write "fem.". You are correct that it is vocative and singular, but again, only verbs can be indicative or active.<br /><br />I hope I have cleared things up for you. I think that all of this parsing is just going to confuse you until you are a little more advanced in your studies. If you do, however, wish to label all of your nouns and verbs according to their classifications and morphology, then you must know what they are:<br />Nouns- number, case, declension, gender<br />Verbs- person, number, conjugation, mood, tense<br />Adjectives- gender, class (1-2nd declension or 3rd)<br /><br />vale amice!