Saint Bane is a paladin of Pelor who was elevated to hero-deity status after slaying a powerful servant of Orcus and heavily wounding Orcus himself, and the patron of all those who hunt the undead. He's a Flan power and saint, and has nothing to do with the greater power Bane - no more than the 4e Bane has anything to do with the Faerunian Bane.

I mean, this has meandered into the ridiculous now. Nerull was still alive and well until 4e decided to wipe him off the map alongside Istus, Boccob, Hextor, Wee Jas and so many others, and he's back again in 5e, with the Raven Queen no longer mentioned.

Also, that "ancient goddess Tomeri" is a Zakharan goddess, if I'm not mistaken.

Stillsong is a very unusual entity, apparently transitioning from one state to another. What he was before, and what he is to become is unknown. He grants no spells and has no priesthood, and represents a wandering benevolent force throughout the planes.

Stillsong has an entry in Monster Mythology (if I don't mention a source for a deity, it's likely from DMGR4), and gets a discussion in *I think* the Planes of Conflict boxed set for Planescape. He's in one of them, I just can't remember exactly which one.

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?

Wow, that's weird that you mention Thasmudyan and Velsharoon. Some of the early history that I had worked up for Velsharoon BEFORE he helped start the red wizard uprising had him actually visiting the isle of Sehu (sp?). I had it that that's where he learned the skills of a dread necromancer (the 3.5e version, as I had his mortal form to be a triple classed non-specialist wizard/dread necromancer/binder with anima mage and some other prestige class that built both arcane school <maybe ultimate magus>). I didn't ever build more into him for the location..... and man, I just realized I started writing a short story back in 2011 and never finished it.

The only non-aquatic member of Deep Sashelasís asathalfinare, Syranita is the protector-goddess of the aarakocra. She is an excellent diplomat, and is always on the look out for new allies to help protect her gentle race.

The only non-aquatic member of Deep Sashelasís asathalfinare, Syranita is the protector-goddess of the aarakocra. She is an excellent diplomat, and is always on the look out for new allies to help protect her gentle race.

Jeff

Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.

BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.

This is interesting in that it ties in nicely to my 'lava-light theory' of godhood. That the 'stuff' of godhood is actually finite, so in order for one to arise, another must fall (there is only so much 'divine power' to go around). But its even more complicated than that - all of that 'divine stuff' that floating around in the universe is much like that crap floating around inside a lava-lap - it breaks apart, it reforms, it makes smaller pieces, it combines into greater ones - that how I picture godhood working. All these gods absorbing/combining with each other, and breaking apart (Tyche into Beshaba and Tymora, for example), and also all those 'conjoined/tripartite deities. Thus, the cosmology is a lava-lamp. forever evolving into new things, some of which may be reminiscent of older things, and some 'brand new', but the truth is, it all part of the some glob of stuff that just keeps swirling around and reforming.

Thasmudyan is an older globlet that got absorbed into the newer velsharoon, is all. So while mortals may think one took the place of the other, the truth is that Thasmudyan is still in there somewhere, and could respawn again at some point. Similar things have happened many times before, like in the case where Selvetarm absorbed Zanassu (and he was corrupted by it).

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Stillsong is certainly one of the weirder powers out there.

I was thinking a bit more on Mellifleur; one of the thoughts I have is that while Mellifleur isn't worshipped, he's actually respected among liches as a sort of senior professor among their kind. To a lesser extent, so is Velsharoon (though Faerunian liches acknowledge Velsharoon above Mellifleur). The worship of the undead is a tepid thing, but Mellifleur and Velsharoon, as academic deities who cheerfully encourage no-holds-barred, anything-goes research, are especially attractive not just to liches but to any serious undead spellcaster.

It's also why nobody likes Kyuss, because I can't see intelligent undead having anything other than disdain for a god of undeath who encourages them to annihilate the cattle/research subjects.

The Complete Book of Necromancers is actually set in Toril, and though Velsharoon isn't mentioned, an ascended baatezu by the name of Thasmudyan is mentioned to be a god of undeath living in Carceri. His decline in prominence seems to be tied to Velsharoon's rise; did the Archmage of Necromancy subsume him?

Wow, that's weird that you mention Thasmudyan and Velsharoon. Some of the early history that I had worked up for Velsharoon BEFORE he helped start the red wizard uprising had him actually visiting the isle of Sehu (sp?). I had it that that's where he learned the skills of a dread necromancer (the 3.5e version, as I had his mortal form to be a triple classed non-specialist wizard/dread necromancer/binder with anima mage and some other prestige class that built both arcane school <maybe ultimate magus>). I didn't ever build more into him for the location..... and man, I just realized I started writing a short story back in 2011 and never finished it.

'Sahu'

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.

That's the only source I've seen, even among later material that often scoured old publications for information. I see Krocaa encompassing hunting as well, so while he isn't aggressive by any means, he's very much a martial type deity.

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BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.

I would go with the Greek goddess Eris, as she was sometimes depicted as harpy-like. Otherwise, the Queen of Air and Darkness or Cegilune could suffice.

This is interesting in that it ties in nicely to my 'lava-light theory' of godhood. That the 'stuff' of godhood is actually finite, so in order for one to arise, another must fall (there is only so much 'divine power' to go around). But its even more complicated than that - all of that 'divine stuff' that floating around in the universe is much like that crap floating around inside a lava-lap - it breaks apart, it reforms, it makes smaller pieces, it combines into greater ones

My view is that since the planes are infinite, there are an infinite number of mortal inhabitants of those planes, and they have an infinite number of deities.

BUT, there are also infinitely more infinite mortals than there are infinite deities. And yes, it should make your brain hurt. :D

Hmmm, thank you. I had not noted Krocaa before. I'm naming him "the golden-feathered god of defense and aerial combat". Only source I saw him in was dragon #124.

That's the only source I've seen, even among later material that often scoured old publications for information. I see Krocaa encompassing hunting as well, so while he isn't aggressive by any means, he's very much a martial type deity.

quote:Originally posted by sleyvas

BTW, offhand, is there any particular deity for harpies that you've seen? I want to say there were some demon lords (maybe the ones for succubi.. maybe Demogorgon), but was wondering if there was any evil fey or somesuch you've seen associated with harpies, as they seem less fiendish and more fey.

I would go with the Greek goddess Eris, as she was sometimes depicted as harpy-like. Otherwise, the Queen of Air and Darkness or Cegilune could suffice.

Jeff

Good point, I'll throw hunting on him as well. He's described as having scarlet plumage on his head, so may want to come up with a story for that.

QoA&D... good idea. Also, I hadn't really located the harpies in what I'm looking at, so Cegilune may work if they're around hags. Thank you.

Isn't it supposed to be on the border of Arborea and Ysgard, rather than just a part of a big layer?

Both can be true. The planes are infinite, so it's a metaphysical border rather than a physical one. It is the portion of Olympus that is most like Ysgard, and where it is easiest to get to Ysgard. But her realm is still fully within the layer of Olympus. Check Planes of Chaos for how it is described, and the realm format follows the lists in On Hallowed Ground.

Ilxendren was originally introduced in the 2nd Edition boxed-set adventure Night Below, along with the subterranean fresh water variant of the ixitxachitl, the ixzan. To a certain extant, Ilxendren represents the most dangerous threat to Demogorgonís mortal power base, for unlike that tanaríri power, Ilxendren shares many traits and elements with the devil fish themselves.

Perhaps one of the few deities who can rival the disgusting nature of Vaprak is the patron of troglodytes, Laogzed. While he grants spells to the troglodytes, he did not create them, and cares little for their welfare, granting spells simply because he doesnít care enough not to. He is shunned by most other powers, and used as a divine disposal by those willing to deal with him or willing to risk getting close.

Parrafaire is one of the more unusual deities, as he is a servitor of many other powers more than one who has active concerns of his own. He is a guardian of secrets and items of power, but his guardianship is not absolute. He designs traps, tricks, and riddles to test those who search for his charges in order to determine only those he deems worthy gain them. His few worshipers similarly focus on guardianship, although with a much lower focus on testing those who search for their wards.

Water Lion is an unusual and mysterious deity who wanders the planes for reasons unknown, although there are many theories about his purpose. He has only a small and dispersed following among the aquatic races, mostly loners and hunters.

Parrafaire is one of the more unusual deities, as he is a servitor of many other powers more than one who has active concerns of his own. He is a guardian of secrets and items of power, but his guardianship is not absolute. He designs traps, tricks, and riddles to test those who search for his charges in order to determine only those he deems worthy gain them. His few worshipers similarly focus on guardianship, although with a much lower focus on testing those who search for their wards.

Jeff

Hmmmm, Parrafaire is a child of Jazirian, god of Couatls... and also a god of secrets and riddles. Ubtao and Qotal are possibly the same, and Ubtao has some link to mazes...