The first suggestion is the best. Can't wait to see him wear that funny hat.

I'll only be pope if I can ex-communicate people from DC.

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In the above statement, you suggest that many religious people believe "good" behavior is defined by what they think God wants.

Who told them what God wants? And how does that person know?

I tend to believe that "good" behavior is self-evident - "common sense", "cause and effect".

I also tend to believe that organized religion is a way to control people in this life, not the next.

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Sure, but that's not what we were talking about either. You made mention of his anti-religious rants and I said that it is within reason for an agnostic to be bitter about religion.

I should choose my words more carefully next time.

Clay has, in the past, flatly denied the existence of God. That's not an Agnostic.

It's clear to me now that he's not separating the concept of God from the concept of man-made religion, or vice versa.

It's certainly within in human nature for an Agnostic to be bitter about religion. However, it really isn't "reasonable" for an Agnostic that is comfortable with their beliefs (or for that matter, a Muslim, or Christian, or Atheist) to harbor bitterness. Bitterness is born out of emotion, "reason" in and of itself transcends that.

Well, the most compelling reason for me personally is that we live in a society where large groups of like minded people wield considerable political power. In that way laws can be written or changed that I am required to abide by.

Well, the most compelling reason for me personally is that we live in a society where large groups of like minded people wield considerable political power. In that way laws can be written or changed that I am required to abide by.

Couldn't that happen even if there were mainly agnostics or atheists in power or anything else?

Well, the most compelling reason for me personally is that we live in a society where large groups of like minded people wield considerable political power. In that way laws can be written or changed that I am required to abide by.

Again, you're blurring the lines between the temporal and the spiritual.

Religious people are irrelevant when it comes to Agnosticism, or Atheism for that matter. Agnosticism is a personal belief, it's not a religion.

True, however from the perspective of someone who has values to be told by someone who has zero evidence that the only reason they have them is because of the god they believe in it can be a tad irritating to an agnostic~

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Clay has, in the past, flatly denied the existence of God. That's not an Agnostic.

It's clear to me now that he's not separating the concept of God from the concept of man-made religion, or vice versa.

It's certainly within in human nature for an Agnostic to be bitter about religion. However, it really isn't "reasonable" for an Agnostic that is comfortable with their beliefs (or for that matter, a Muslim, or Christian, or Atheist) to harbor bitterness. Bitterness is born out of emotion, "reason" in and of itself transcends that.

Denying emotion doesn't rob it of its power over you. Agnostic can be used as a very broad term, but in a religious sense being an "agnostic" refers to knowledge of spiritual truths. Chief among them God's existence.

True, however from the perspective of someone who has values to be told by someone who has zero evidence that the only reason they have them is because of the god they believe in it can be a tad irritating to an agnostic~