So what was your answer, bad_luck? Completely worthless? Because real baseball is not a statistical simulation. While wins and losses are obviously determined as a team, the starting pitcher has the most impact in any given game. It's worth having some consideration of wins and losses when evaluating a pitcher.

I don't think Morris is quite a HOFer, but it's not utterly ridiculous. He's a borderline candidate. There sure aren't a lot of starting pitchers from the 80's that get HOF consideration. Blyleven is probably the only one who will get in from that era (unless you count Clemens as part of that group), and he was borderline too. It's the relievers of the era that got in: Sutter, Gossage, Eckersley.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/4/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):Bad_luck believes that advanced stats are everything. What actually happens between the lines on the field is less important that the numbers that can be analyzed in a spreadsheet after the fact.

The problem with your very intelligent theory is that pitcher win/loss records don't tell you anything about what actually happened on the field.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/4/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):Bad_luck believes that advanced stats are everything. What actually happens between the lines on the field is less important that the numbers that can be analyzed in a spreadsheet after the fact.

The problem with your very intelligent theory is that pitcher win/loss records don't tell you anything about what actually happened on the field.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/4/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):Bad_luck believes that advanced stats are everything. What actually happens between the lines on the field is less important that the numbers that can be analyzed in a spreadsheet after the fact.

The problem with your very intelligent theory is that pitcher win/loss records don't tell you anything about what actually happened on the field.

This is amazing. I really can't believe how lucky I am to have stumbled upon the last dark corner of the internet where people still argue that a pitcher's win/loss record isn't completely worthless. What a treat. After this are you guys going to argue that the earth is flat? Or make the case for a geocentric solar system?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/4/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):Bad_luck believes that advanced stats are everything. What actually happens between the lines on the field is less important that the numbers that can be analyzed in a spreadsheet after the fact.

The problem with your very intelligent theory is that pitcher win/loss records don't tell you anything about what actually happened on the field.