I get it. I understand if you think Washington is broken. I understand why you would want change if times have been tough for you, your family, your company, your town.

Donald Trump is not the one. He alone cannot help you. Please don’t overlook his disrespectful rhetoric toward almost everyone and say that’s a good trade from where we are now. It’s not. With what I’ve heard him say, I wouldn’t want Donald Trump for a brother, son, father, neighbor, cousin, or co-worker. We cannot have him be the President - our President. Be it Mexicans, Muslims, women, and even his fellow Republicans like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Trump had belittled and disrespected nearly everyone. His compulsive lies are staggering. I’ve studied enough history to see the incredible parallels in his campaign and that of Hitler, and it scares the crap out of me. He is an authoritarian and a demagogue and has no idea about how to govern.

Hillary Clinton is not perfect, and I get that, too. For all her faults, she is no Donald Trump. Vote against your incumbent House or Senate member if you want to drain the swamp. Pick a better major party candidate in 2020! But don’t vote for Donald Trump. Each of us - no, all of us - deserve so much better.

I get it. I understand if you think Washington is broken. I understand why you would want change if times have been tough for you, your family, your company, your town.

Donald Trump is not the one. He alone cannot help you. Please don’t overlook his disrespectful rhetoric toward almost everyone and say that’s a good trade from where we are now. It’s not. With what I’ve heard him say, I wouldn’t want Donald Trump for a brother, son, father, neighbor, cousin, or co-worker. We cannot have him be the President - our President. Be it Mexicans, Muslims, women, and even his fellow Republicans like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Trump had belittled and disrespected nearly everyone. His compulsive lies are staggering. I’ve studied enough history to see the incredible parallels in his campaign and that of Hitler, and it scares the crap out of me. He is an authoritarian and a demagogue and has no idea about how to govern.

Hillary Clinton is not perfect, and I get that, too. For all her faults, she is no Donald Trump. Vote against your incumbent House or Senate member if you want to drain the swamp. Pick a better major party candidate in 2020! But don’t vote for Donald Trump. Each of us - no, all of us - deserve so much better.

Thank you for your time. Go, Democracy, and God bless America![/quote]
“The election is tomorrow and this post on a message board online completely changed my thinking and my vote tomorrow”
- No one ever

I get it. I understand if you think Washington is broken. I understand why you would want change if times have been tough for you, your family, your company, your town.

Donald Trump is not the one. He alone cannot help you. Please don’t overlook his disrespectful rhetoric toward almost everyone and say that’s a good trade from where we are now. It’s not. With what I’ve heard him say, I wouldn’t want Donald Trump for a brother, son, father, neighbor, cousin, or co-worker. We cannot have him be the President - our President. Be it Mexicans, Muslims, women, and even his fellow Republicans like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Trump had belittled and disrespected nearly everyone. His compulsive lies are staggering. I’ve studied enough history to see the incredible parallels in his campaign and that of Hitler, and it scares the crap out of me. He is an authoritarian and a demagogue and has no idea about how to govern.

Hillary Clinton is not perfect, and I get that, too. For all her faults, she is no Donald Trump. Vote against your incumbent House or Senate member if you want to drain the swamp. Pick a better major party candidate in 2020! But don’t vote for Donald Trump. Each of us - no, all of us - deserve so much better.

Thank you for your time. Go, Democracy, and God bless America![/quote]
[Let me preface this by saying that I am not voting for Trump tomorrow or a fan of his character]

When people are trying to relate this to electing Hitler, it just boggles my mind.

Does anyone understand how the gov works and checks and balances? Something put in place so a dictator or king could never rule the country. The senate and the house ultimately can make a greater impact than the person in the oval office.

The way I see this election, voting for Clinton is a vote that you pretty well know what you are going to get – it’s not going to be good, but also won’t ruin the country. A vote for Trump is a wildcard — its either going to be HORRIBLE, really hurt the country, international relations, and pretty much nullify the Republican Party for the near future for presidential elections. OR, it’s going to “Make America Great Again,” get rid of some of the corruption at the top, and be a net positive for America.

However, I can not ethically bring myself to cast support/vote for either of these candidates.

Trump is only going to seek to make America great for himself, he doesn’t give one damn about the working class, and never has. Just look at all the contractors he’s stiffed over the years and forced into years of legal battles, which killed many small businesses in NJ and NY. He’s likely in bed with the Russians, and is supported by North Korea. He was also likely in bed with the mafia. His tax plan is going to cripple the economy because it’s basically a hyper version of Trickle Down Economics which doesn’t work to filter money through the middle class. Let’s not also forget that he’s likely a failed businessman in a variety of ways.

And this doesn’t even get to all the misogyny, racism and xenophobia that he’s spread for the 18 months or so of his campaign. He’s a nationalist bully with the temperament of a small child. If that’s what would Make America Great Again, then we live in a completely different America.

This probably belongs on the Epistemic Closure part of the forum. That said, I love everyone here and respect your choices in this election. I just hope we can all get along after the election since we (not us at Penn State Hoops, but all over facebook, etc.) sure as heck haven’t been getting along throughout the process. The amount of disrespect being shown to each other by people with opposing views has been alarming to me. I hope we can start to go back the other way once this is all over.

[quote=“Phanatic, post:8, topic:4801”]I would hope we can add a few parties to the process or do a coalition government and end this 2 party crap.

They worry more about their party and not about the US. Future expatriot.[/quote]

I’m not sure that this would change if a three party or more system was more prominent here. It’s actually pretty likely that a 2 party system keeps us more stable as a country. When there’s a prominent third, fourth or fifth party, then there is a greater likelihood for swings and changes in the political system.

I’m not sure that this would change if a three party or more system was more prominent here. It’s actually pretty likely that a 2 party system keeps us more stable as a country. When there’s a prominent third, fourth or fifth party, then there is a greater likelihood for swings and changes in the political system.

Change in the current system is what I would like to see. If nothing else, I would like to see other parties gain enough traction and have enough popular pull so that the media can no longer ignore their views and perhaps get the populace to realize that unequal access to the ballot is a very undemocratic practice. The latest attempt at equalizing ballot access in Pennsylvania (Senate Bill 495) was tabled in June. No surprise that a legislature comprised entirely of Rs & Ds would shelve an attempt to provides equal access to the ballot.

jyd…thanks for starting up this thread. I like places where one can go and talk openly about this election without having folks jump down each others throats.

Trump is horrible. And I’ve always known this to be the case, long before he was a candidate or the star of The Apprentice. But if people want to vote for him because they feel that he will indeed change things, then who am I to argue with those people. (In my eyes…) they’re wrong…but I can see their point.

Yes, the politics of Washington need to be washed away, but he’s not the “man” to do it, though he does come from the outside.

Hillary…well, I’ve never been a fan of hers or her husband to begin with. Respect for the President that he was, minus the Monica Lewinski affair, amongst others, sure. And respect for the public work she has done over her 30 years, sure. But I too get jaded by the same ol, same ol floating around Washington.

I think this is especially a tough election for us educated souls. We see the ugliness. We see the wrongfulness. We see the meanness of this election and feel that we really have no clear option.

Regardless of who “wins” or “loses less” as I see it, they will have the monumental task of trying to pull this country together. For us educated souls, I would hope that most of us would accept the outcome and work with that outcome the best we can. Moving to Vancouver with close relatives is in the cards for me and my family. I kid…but the thought has crossed my mind since I love Vancouver and my family who lives there.

What I fear is the “idiots” that Trump has shaken awake and what they will now try and pull should Hillary win…or, worse than that, is what Trump will do if somehow he becomes El Jefe.

Living in Georgia, where my Presidential vote usually doesn’t hold much weight, has sort of new meaning, as there’s a chance Hillary pulls a mild upset. So I let my young teenage daughter, who went to vote with me, do the honors (that way I can say that I voted for neither major party candidate ) She said that she wished to be treated fairly as a girl and a young woman and so her decision to vote for Hillary was an easy one. To that, I have to agree wholeheartedly. For all the things that Hillary has done…the one thing that she will look out for is women…and having a mother, sister, wife, daughter who I all hold in the highest regard and have the utmost respect for, I have to agree that there is only one person to vote for in this election amongst the major party candidates.

So in honor of my daughter, I hope to see tomorrow’s front page headline as such…

This is the only issue I have with your post. It’s antagonizing. They are wrong for you and what you want from an elected official. They are right for themselves and what they feel is the best choice. Who are you to say anyone’s opinion is wrong? This is the issue I was talking about in my other post in this thread.

[quote="mjg, post:14, topic:4801"]Who are you to say anyone's opinion is wrong?[/quote]

Opinions can certainly be wrong. In preference for political candidates though, opinions are hardly wrong unless the reasons for those opinions is false.

But if people want to vote for him because they feel that he will indeed change things, then who am I to argue with those people. They're wrong...but I can see their point.

Until Trump is elected and then fails to change the things people think he will change, their opinion can’t be proven to be wrong. So anyone saying “they are wrong” is just antagonizing. To precede that statement with “then who am I to argue with those people” is just so passive aggressive. The two sentences quoted above are exactly what I was talking about in my first post in this thread.

The amount of disrespect being shown to each other by people with opposing views has been alarming to me.

Then, by saying “I can see their point”, I’m talking about the much needed change that needs to happen in Washington. Just that Trump is not the guy to bring that change.

Can I be proven wrong, absolutely. Personally, I hope we don’t get there.[/quote]

Those few words make all the difference in the world to any Trump fanatic who might read your post.

I apologize for using your post as an example. I do respect you and hope I didn’t offend you there. I have just had enough of the bickering I see every day on facebook (which I actually deleted from my phone until this ends) and other areas of life. I’m the president of my neighborhood HOA. We’ve had people call in to our management company to complain they are “offended” by Trump signs. And then others, in retaliation, have complained about the offensive Clinton signs in other yards. Frankly, I’ve had it with regular people hating on each other over an election. Regardless who wins the Oval Office, we’ll still be the United States – and hopefully not just in name only.