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Agreed. He played hard. But did he make a difference? Was he worth the money? Compare what he achieved in his time with the Raiders compared to Seymour. Seymour made a difference in his first game with no training camp or even a clue as to what the plays were. He has made an impact that can be seen on the field and in the locker room. Can't say I ever witnessed that with Sapp. That is why I included him on the list.

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RaiderSilly also didn't mention Jason Campbell as a signed free agent. The fact that crappy coaching couldn't take advantage of the free agent talent shouldn't fall totally on the free agents.

Some were bust and shouldn't have been signed but that is in every organization. Moss was productive for the PatsDominic Rhodes helped out the coltsDeAngelo Hall is still ballinAshley Lelie sucked with the hos and should have never been in the leagueAaron Brooks had zero offensive line playFrye, Losman and Boller were signed as backups.

Al has always taken a chance with the unwanted, outcast and castoffs

So you are saying there is a correlation between good coaching and good players. I agree. And now we are once again getting an unproven coach to try and attract potential free agents. I doesn't fall completely on the shoulders of the free agents. It falls on Al shoulders as he is the one making the decision. Which was my point in the first place. His decisions for free agents are limited to the type of players I listed when this team is doing what it has done for the last seven seasons. Instability of this organization limits who will come here.

Moss was productive for the Pats because they were winning and he was featured. Two things he was not getting here in Oakland which is why he quit on the team.Rhodes we got knowing he was facing a four game suspension at the start of the season. Before rejoining the Colts this year he was playing in Canada. So good was he that he was out of the NFL.Hall is an above average DB. Picking off Cuntler is not the sign of greatness. It just proves that you played the Bears this year.I agree with you totally on Ashley. But that did not stop Al from picking him up did it? Further proving Al's recognition of talent is not what it once was and that when pickings are slim he takes some of the worse.Brooks had no line this is true. But he was horrible long before he came to Oakland.Frye, Losman and Boller were signed as backups. But none are of any quality. Again we get table scraps because that is all this team attracts at this time.

The difference is though that the "outcasts" of the 60's and 70's were guys who could play. They were considered outcasts because they were a little eccentric (Hendrix), plain nuts(Matuszak), or just wanted to dress and look how they wanted. The NFL has changed and now they could care less about any of that. If you can play they will figure out how to keep you. Whether you once abused dogs or raped a woman in a bathroom. If you are good, teams find room.

Because of the situation and instability in Oakland our potential free agent list is slim. Yes Al is always willing to shell out the money(one of the great things about Al). But if they are unwilling to come none of that matters. So I say again. You thinking that we simply "replace the players we may lose with free agents" is just not that simple. Losing quality player always hurts. It hurts more when you replace them with sub par free agents like we have in the past.

RaiderSilly also didn't mention Jason Campbell as a signed free agent. The fact that crappy coaching couldn't take advantage of the free agent talent shouldn't fall totally on the free agents.

Some were bust and shouldn't have been signed but that is in every organization. Moss was productive for the PatsDominic Rhodes helped out the coltsDeAngelo Hall is still ballinAshley Lelie sucked with the hos and should have never been in the leagueAaron Brooks had zero offensive line playFrye, Losman and Boller were signed as backups.

Al has always taken a chance with the unwanted, outcast and castoffs

Jason Campbell wasn't a FA though pal. he had 1 year on his contract... Came here via trade & then signed a 1 year extension.

RaiderSilly also didn't mention Jason Campbell as a signed free agent. The fact that crappy coaching couldn't take advantage of the free agent talent shouldn't fall totally on the free agents.

Some were bust and shouldn't have been signed but that is in every organization. Moss was productive for the PatsDominic Rhodes helped out the coltsDeAngelo Hall is still ballinAshley Lelie sucked with the hos and should have never been in the leagueAaron Brooks had zero offensive line playFrye, Losman and Boller were signed as backups.

Why the panic RNP. The superbowl (for that matter the probowl) hasn't been played yet and fans are freaking out. If players want to leave, let them go and get better players. No one is irreplaceable. There is no CBA, the draft hasn't arrived yet. Be patient and see what the Raiders will be the next time there is a season.

I love how you act as though quality, and I stress the word QUALITY free agents are just clamoring to be an Oakland Raider. History has proven that not to be the case. I proved it to you once before. But you may have missed it so I will show you again.

Wow Raidersully... Great effort in proving millernation wrong when you dig deep into the record books about digging up free agents name.

All i see is a bunch of names from the 2003-2009 circa when we were a bad team and a bunch of players who were lining up for a 2nd chance & not lining up for a chance for a ring. (why don't you mention guys like Ted Hendricks and Jerry Rice who signed up to play with the raiders?)

If we'd been the same 5-11 team in 2010 then i would of got on your negative train of thought, but a 8-8 team with a 6 win zero loss in the division... well that screams of a team where a quality free agent is going to go... "hmm i might just put these Raiders over the top"

Al's never had a problem with twisting a guys arm and paying them coin... So money won't be an issue. Just look at Julius Peppers and what franchise he went too.. it was the 2009 bears whom didn't even make the playoffs. Why'd he go there? to work with Lovie Smith and Urlacher. I think this scenario in 2010 will be similar where one more good player will lead to this raiders team having a chance to compete for the 2012 AFC Championship.

Obviously my fingers are crossed that Nnamdi, Seymour, Zach Miller and Michael Bush all stick around to build on the great work Hue Jackson has done for us.

I agree, after this season, I truly believe we have the opportunity to land some quality free agents.

Hue has some connections with past players on teams he has coached and the addition of Saunders might sway some guys on the offensive side of the ball to come over to Oakland. We can only hope.

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Why the panic RNP. The superbowl (for that matter the probowl) hasn't been played yet and fans are freaking out. If players want to leave, let them go and get better players. No one is irreplaceable. There is no CBA, the draft hasn't arrived yet. Be patient and see what the Raiders will be the next time there is a season.

I love how you act as though quality, and I stress the word QUALITY free agents are just clamoring to be an Oakland Raider. History has proven that not to be the case. I proved it to you once before. But you may have missed it so I will show you again.

These are a bunch of has been, never was, and old washed up free agents the Raiders have had over the past few seasons. All showed up, cashed Al's checks and were either dropped and never heard from again, retired, or remain on the current roster. These are the types of free agents we have been attracting as of late. With the exception of Samson Satele, Richard Seymour, and maybe Tommy Kelly (jury is still out) being free agents that panned out.

No stability does not bring in good free agents. It brings in the list I posted. And last time I checked none of those players had winning seasons with the Raiders. So stop acting as though the quality players we may lose are so easily replaceable. I understand optimism. But you have your head buried in the sand.

raidersully

Wow Raidersully... Great effort in proving millernation wrong when you dig deep into the record books about digging up free agents name.

All i see is a bunch of names from the 2003-2009 circa when we were a bad team and a bunch of players who were lining up for a 2nd chance & not lining up for a chance for a ring. (why don't you mention guys like Ted Hendricks and Jerry Rice who signed up to play with the raiders?)

If we'd been the same 5-11 team in 2010 then i would of got on your negative train of thought, but a 8-8 team with a 6 win zero loss in the division... well that screams of a team where a quality free agent is going to go... "hmm i might just put these Raiders over the top"

Al's never had a problem with twisting a guys arm and paying them coin... So money won't be an issue. Just look at Julius Peppers and what franchise he went too.. it was the 2009 bears whom didn't even make the playoffs. Why'd he go there? to work with Lovie Smith and Urlacher. I think this scenario in 2010 will be similar where one more good player will lead to this raiders team having a chance to compete for the 2012 AFC Championship.

Obviously my fingers are crossed that Nnamdi, Seymour, Zach Miller and Michael Bush all stick around to build on the great work Hue Jackson has done for us.

I didn't mention Hedricks and Rice for the same reason I didn't mention Alzado or Plunkett. Because neither played for this team in the recent history of the Raiders. What I proved that was when this franchise is in flux(no GM, no stability at the coaching position and so on) these are the free agents we attracted. If you choose to keep living in the past as Al does be my guest. But recent history proves my point.

As for the team this year. You may be right. Player may see this as a team on the cusp of doing great things. But since we have not show consistency over many seasons, they may think otherwise. But I hope you are right and they do come for the reasons you said.

Julius Peepers went to the Bears because they were paying big. His first choice was New England. But they pay no one more than Brady. So he took the Bears offer. A team that a QB ready to go (Cuntler), a proven HC, a proven OC (Martz), a solid defense, and a team that was four years removed from the Super Bowl. Big difference compared to a team that had it's first winning season in the last seven seasons.

Time will tell though, and as I have said many times before. I hope that you and Millernation are right and I proved wrong by the great free agents that come to Oakland. But history has proven me right so far.

Why the panic RNP. The superbowl (for that matter the probowl) hasn't been played yet and fans are freaking out. If players want to leave, let them go and get better players. No one is irreplaceable. There is no CBA, the draft hasn't arrived yet. Be patient and see what the Raiders will be the next time there is a season.

I love how you act as though quality, and I stress the word QUALITY free agents are just clamoring to be an Oakland Raider. History has proven that not to be the case. I proved it to you once before. But you may have missed it so I will show you again.

Wow Raidersully... Great effort in proving millernation wrong when you dig deep into the record books about digging up free agents name.

All i see is a bunch of names from the 2003-2009 circa when we were a bad team and a bunch of players who were lining up for a 2nd chance & not lining up for a chance for a ring. (why don't you mention guys like Ted Hendricks and Jerry Rice who signed up to play with the raiders?)

If we'd been the same 5-11 team in 2010 then i would of got on your negative train of thought, but a 8-8 team with a 6 win zero loss in the division... well that screams of a team where a quality free agent is going to go... "hmm i might just put these Raiders over the top"

Al's never had a problem with twisting a guys arm and paying them coin... So money won't be an issue. Just look at Julius Peppers and what franchise he went too.. it was the 2009 bears whom didn't even make the playoffs. Why'd he go there? to work with Lovie Smith and Urlacher. I think this scenario in 2010 will be similar where one more good player will lead to this raiders team having a chance to compete for the 2012 AFC Championship.

Obviously my fingers are crossed that Nnamdi, Seymour, Zach Miller and Michael Bush all stick around to build on the great work Hue Jackson has done for us.

raidersully

Why the panic RNP. The superbowl (for that matter the probowl) hasn't been played yet and fans are freaking out. If players want to leave, let them go and get better players. No one is irreplaceable. There is no CBA, the draft hasn't arrived yet. Be patient and see what the Raiders will be the next time there is a season.

I love how you act as though quality, and I stress the word QUALITY free agents are just clamoring to be an Oakland Raider. History has proven that not to be the case. I proved it to you once before. But you may have missed it so I will show you again.

These are a bunch of has been, never was, and old washed up free agents the Raiders have had over the past few seasons. All showed up, cashed Al's checks and were either dropped and never heard from again, retired, or remain on the current roster. These are the types of free agents we have been attracting as of late. With the exception of Samson Satele, Richard Seymour, and maybe Tommy Kelly (jury is still out) being free agents that panned out.

No stability does not bring in good free agents. It brings in the list I posted. And last time I checked none of those players had winning seasons with the Raiders. So stop acting as though the quality players we may lose are so easily replaceable. I understand optimism. But you have your head buried in the sand.

Why the panic RNP. The superbowl (for that matter the probowl) hasn't been played yet and fans are freaking out. If players want to leave, let them go and get better players. No one is irreplaceable. There is no CBA, the draft hasn't arrived yet. Be patient and see what the Raiders will be the next time there is a season.

I know to some it may not be a big deal, but I think it's a bit strange for Hue to say he "knows" the players but he can't seem to remember their fucking names! He referred to Chaz "Schillings" last week and at his big press conference/zoo he referred to "Reynaldo" McClain.....does anybody else notice this shit? Actually I've rarely heard anyone get Schillens correct.

I always thought that was weird myself...............but I agree, most likely nerves...................if he can persuade these free agents to come back then he will have already accomplished a ton in my book!

I agree 100%! I just doubt that it will be Jackson that persuades the MUCH NEEDED free agents to stay onboard. If history repeats itself, it will depend on how many zeros Al Davis decides to add on the end of their contracts. If Jackson is the man does manage to convince them to stay, he can call all of them, "Sweetcakes!" As long as the team is kicking ass, I don't care...

The rumor that Al Saunders had already been hired came from Adam Schefter four days ago. We all know that Al Davis refers to Adam as a "false rumor monger". I wonder who Adam's mole is within the raiders organization? Or maybe his info came from Al Saunders' people. Who knows?

Al....let's have another press conference! At least call the Boneline!

I know to some it may not be a big deal, but I think it's a bit strange for Hue to say he "knows" the players but he can't seem to remember their fucking names! He referred to Chaz "Schillings" last week and at his big press conference/zoo he referred to "Reynaldo" McClain.....does anybody else notice this shit? Actually I've rarely heard anyone get Schillens correct.

I always thought that was weird myself...............but I agree, most likely nerves...................if he can persuade these free agents to come back then he will have already accomplished a ton in my book!

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raidersully

I know to some it may not be a big deal, but I think it's a bit strange for Hue to say he "knows" the players but he can't seem to remember their fucking names! He referred to Chaz "Schillings" last week and at his big press conference/zoo he referred to "Reynaldo" McClain.....does anybody else notice this shit? Actually I've rarely heard anyone get Schillens correct.

Most likely nerves if anything. If he can get them to do better than last year. He can call them anything he damn well pleases as far as I am concerned.

I know to some it may not be a big deal, but I think it's a bit strange for Hue to say he "knows" the players but he can't seem to remember their fucking names! He referred to Chaz "Schillings" last week and at his big press conference/zoo he referred to "Reynaldo" McClain.....does anybody else notice this shit? Actually I've rarely heard anyone get Schillens correct.

i wouldnt stress too hard over this...it happens...my own dad gets my name wrong sometimes...not a big deal...its not like he said was too far off...easy to slip up on a name like schillens and rolando...

I know to some it may not be a big deal, but I think it's a bit strange for Hue to say he "knows" the players but he can't seem to remember their fucking names! He referred to Chaz "Schillings" last week and at his big press conference/zoo he referred to "Reynaldo" McClain.....does anybody else notice this shit? Actually I've rarely heard anyone get Schillens correct.

Al Davis has a history of not hiring high-profile coaches. Apparently, that trend will continue.

The Dallas Morning News reported on its web site Tuesday night that the Oakland Raiders will make Dallas Cowboys assistant Sean Payton their next coach.

According to the newspaper, Payton is expected to sign a four-year, $1.3 million contract. He spent much of Sunday and Monday interviewing with Davis, the Raiders' renegade owner.

Payton, 40, would become the NFL's youngest head coach. If wide receiver Jerry Rice returns to the club, he would be a year older than Payton.

The hiring also would complete a remarkable career rehabilitation for Payton, who as New York Giants offensive coordinator was stripped of his play-calling duties midway through the 2002 season.

This season, Payton was on Bill Parcells' staff with the Cowboys, overseeing the team's passing game while working with quarterbacks.

Hiring a relative unknown is nothing new for Davis. In 1998, he made Jon Gruden the youngest coach in NFL history at 34.

Gruden went 40-28 in four seasons and led the Raiders to an appearance in the AFC championship game before leaving over differences with Davis following the 2001 season.

In Oakland, Payton would replace Bill Callahan, who was fired one season after leading the Raiders to their first Super Bowl appearance since 1984.

In 2003, the Raiders went 4-12 and tied for last place in the AFC West. Callahan also drew the wrath of many of his veteran players for his unapproachable attitude.

With the Raiders, Payton would inherit one of the NFL's oldest teams and a club that is expected to have major salary cap problems. Oakland owns the second pick in April's draft.

Source: APthen this happened: (note that the Raiders were going to go after Rex Ryan as an assistant under Peyton....he could have been a backup plan for Peyton if he didn't work out)

Sean Payton Will Not Be The Next Raiders' Head Coach

In a situation so bizarre it could only involve the Oakland Raiders, the agreement in principle with Sean Payton to become the franchise's next head coach has broken apart, and he will remain with the Dallas Cowboys as their assistant head coach.

ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that the two sides had struck an agreement on a four-year contract. Other published reports contended that Payton had not yet been presented the parameters of a contract.

In a Wednesday evening news conference with Bay Area reporters, Oakland owner Al Davis insisted the team had not settled on new coach to succeed the deposed Bill Callahan.

Typical of the Raiders, team officials on Tuesday were phoning Dallas-area newspapers, which also reported an agreement had been reached, in attempts to find out the sources of those stories.

But the Raiders apparently were so comfortable they had a deal, ESPN.com learned, that they began contacting assistant coaches from other teams -- including Baltimore defensive line coach Rex Ryan -- about interviewing for jobs on Payton's staff. And Dallas offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, who also interviewed with Davis, acknowledged Tuesday night that Payton had won the job.

A source close to Payton told ESPN.com Wednesday night that it "probably isn't prudent to discuss (the situation) right now, because it is in such flux. ... But the bottom line was that there were things in the contract that Sean couldn't live with."

From interviews with several people involved in negotiations, it appears Payton backed away from the deal. Why? Several reasons:

Differences over issues of control, including staffing and personnel.

Reluctance to uproot his family for the second time in a year.

The feeling that it was neither the right time -- nor the Raiders the right team -- for Payton to begin his NFL head coaching career.

It is believed both Jones and Parcells spoke at length with Payton on Wednesday about the positives and negatives of the Raiders job. Unlike defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who received a considerable salary increase when he rejected an offer to become head coach at the University of Nebraska two weeks ago, Payton did not have his current contract with the Cowboys upgraded.

The Raiders job would have capped a remarkable career turnaround for Payton. Less than two years ago, the then-offensive coordinator for the New York Giants was stripped of his play-calling duties by coach Jim Fassel.

Davis fired Callahan earlier this month after two seasons and a 17-18 record. The Raiders played in last season's Super Bowl, but Callahan came under fire this year from many veteran players who wanted him removed. Indeed, Callahan was, after a 4-12 season. He was hired last week as the new head coach at the University of Nebraska.

League sources emphasized Tuesday evening that Payton, who this season was the assistant head coach to Parcells, had yet to sign a contract and that there still were issues to be resolved. "Remember who [Payton] is dealing with here," said a league source, referring to Davis.

That cautionary note proved prophetic.

Payton, 40, would have become the NFL's youngest head coach. The seven-year league veteran is about four months younger than Bucs coach Jon Gruden (Callahan's predecessor in Oakland) and about eight months younger than Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio.

Payton is believed to be the only candidate among those known to have interviewed with Davis who was called back a second time to meet with him. Payton met much of the day Monday, and also part of Tuesday, with Davis and Oakland officials.

Beyond Payton, Davis also interviewed Kansas City offensive coordinator Al Saunders by phone; met in person with Dennis Green, who recently was named coach of the Arizona Cardinals; interviewed Carthon; and interviewed Greg Knapp, then the 49ers offensive coordinator. Knapp subsequently was named the new offensive coordinator in Atlanta.

Al Davis has a history of not hiring high-profile coaches. Apparently, that trend will continue.

The Dallas Morning News reported on its web site Tuesday night that the Oakland Raiders will make Dallas Cowboys assistant Sean Payton their next coach.

According to the newspaper, Payton is expected to sign a four-year, $1.3 million contract. He spent much of Sunday and Monday interviewing with Davis, the Raiders' renegade owner.

Payton, 40, would become the NFL's youngest head coach. If wide receiver Jerry Rice returns to the club, he would be a year older than Payton.

The hiring also would complete a remarkable career rehabilitation for Payton, who as New York Giants offensive coordinator was stripped of his play-calling duties midway through the 2002 season.

This season, Payton was on Bill Parcells' staff with the Cowboys, overseeing the team's passing game while working with quarterbacks.

Hiring a relative unknown is nothing new for Davis. In 1998, he made Jon Gruden the youngest coach in NFL history at 34.

Gruden went 40-28 in four seasons and led the Raiders to an appearance in the AFC championship game before leaving over differences with Davis following the 2001 season.

In Oakland, Payton would replace Bill Callahan, who was fired one season after leading the Raiders to their first Super Bowl appearance since 1984.

In 2003, the Raiders went 4-12 and tied for last place in the AFC West. Callahan also drew the wrath of many of his veteran players for his unapproachable attitude.

With the Raiders, Payton would inherit one of the NFL's oldest teams and a club that is expected to have major salary cap problems. Oakland owns the second pick in April's draft.

Source: APthen this happened: (note that the Raiders were going to go after Rex Ryan as an assistant under Peyton....he could have been a backup plan for Peyton if he didn't work out)

Sean Payton Will Not Be The Next Raiders' Head Coach

In a situation so bizarre it could only involve the Oakland Raiders, the agreement in principle with Sean Payton to become the franchise's next head coach has broken apart, and he will remain with the Dallas Cowboys as their assistant head coach.

ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that the two sides had struck an agreement on a four-year contract. Other published reports contended that Payton had not yet been presented the parameters of a contract.

In a Wednesday evening news conference with Bay Area reporters, Oakland owner Al Davis insisted the team had not settled on new coach to succeed the deposed Bill Callahan.

Typical of the Raiders, team officials on Tuesday were phoning Dallas-area newspapers, which also reported an agreement had been reached, in attempts to find out the sources of those stories.

But the Raiders apparently were so comfortable they had a deal, ESPN.com learned, that they began contacting assistant coaches from other teams -- including Baltimore defensive line coach Rex Ryan -- about interviewing for jobs on Payton's staff. And Dallas offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, who also interviewed with Davis, acknowledged Tuesday night that Payton had won the job.

A source close to Payton told ESPN.com Wednesday night that it "probably isn't prudent to discuss (the situation) right now, because it is in such flux. ... But the bottom line was that there were things in the contract that Sean couldn't live with."

From interviews with several people involved in negotiations, it appears Payton backed away from the deal. Why? Several reasons:

Differences over issues of control, including staffing and personnel.

Reluctance to uproot his family for the second time in a year.

The feeling that it was neither the right time -- nor the Raiders the right team -- for Payton to begin his NFL head coaching career.

It is believed both Jones and Parcells spoke at length with Payton on Wednesday about the positives and negatives of the Raiders job. Unlike defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, who received a considerable salary increase when he rejected an offer to become head coach at the University of Nebraska two weeks ago, Payton did not have his current contract with the Cowboys upgraded.

The Raiders job would have capped a remarkable career turnaround for Payton. Less than two years ago, the then-offensive coordinator for the New York Giants was stripped of his play-calling duties by coach Jim Fassel.

Davis fired Callahan earlier this month after two seasons and a 17-18 record. The Raiders played in last season's Super Bowl, but Callahan came under fire this year from many veteran players who wanted him removed. Indeed, Callahan was, after a 4-12 season. He was hired last week as the new head coach at the University of Nebraska.

League sources emphasized Tuesday evening that Payton, who this season was the assistant head coach to Parcells, had yet to sign a contract and that there still were issues to be resolved. "Remember who [Payton] is dealing with here," said a league source, referring to Davis.

That cautionary note proved prophetic.

Payton, 40, would have become the NFL's youngest head coach. The seven-year league veteran is about four months younger than Bucs coach Jon Gruden (Callahan's predecessor in Oakland) and about eight months younger than Jacksonville's Jack Del Rio.

Payton is believed to be the only candidate among those known to have interviewed with Davis who was called back a second time to meet with him. Payton met much of the day Monday, and also part of Tuesday, with Davis and Oakland officials.

Beyond Payton, Davis also interviewed Kansas City offensive coordinator Al Saunders by phone; met in person with Dennis Green, who recently was named coach of the Arizona Cardinals; interviewed Carthon; and interviewed Greg Knapp, then the 49ers offensive coordinator. Knapp subsequently was named the new offensive coordinator in Atlanta.

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

Ok...I can see you not liking his comments or feelings towards yet another fucking coach. But to question Lechler's ability is just assinine. Shane is probably right behind guy (if he hasn't passed him) as the greatest punter....ever....period....end of story.

Yes greatest ever...

But do we need him? You don't see the correlation that bad quarterbacks = punters looking like the star of the show.

Our Offense is going to be crazy good... Shane Lechler has the easiest job in Hawaii... In those probowl games the punters might only kick the ball 1 or 2 times cause the teams are being led down the field by your Mannings, Brees and Bradys.

I'm not saying Lechler is a bad bloke, & my feelings towards his comments were like taking it with a grain of salt, because league wide the life of a punter is like someone who'd shine shoes back in the Industrial Revolution.. Who cares? he might be a nice bloke and captain. But like Wu-Tang Hokie pointed out when was the last time you won us a football game? Dudes entitled to a opinion. But he certainly doesn't talk on behalf of the whole team. Like Hue said he probably had 20 phone calls and txt messages from the players on the morning of his HC announcement saying there excited for 2011.

Oh I see the correlation and I don't disagree with anything you said in the last post. But saying the only reason he made all those probowls was because we had shit QB's, defenses, etc. is crazy....he made those probowls because he is fucking good. I'm not sure I would pay him what he makes....but to question his ability is wrong in my opinion.

Ok sorry i must of typed it wrong. I said he had the chance to become a good punter because he had all those opportunities to kick in game scenarios.

Just look at the life of a punter during training camp... Do they kick a lot of balls? Or are the Raiders so paranoid about Lechler/Janikowski getting injured during the preseason that they shelf them until game 3 of the preseason as to not increase there likelyhood of injuries.

I agree.. BEST PUNTER in the game & the Net Average Stat is all time leading... But I want to cut him cause a) we could buy a really special player with 4 million extra funds which is tied up in our punter (Janikowski is worth every penny. & b) I'm hurt that LEchler spoke the truth about Al getting rid of Cable.. Al paid him handsomely and Lechler gets pissed and runs to the media? I'm sure things will smooth over with those 2. maybe Lechler over-reacted? He'd be best to keep his mouth shut and say the right things at training camp to keep earning 8 million over 2 years!!

I think it will pass and he will be back. And honestly...with our track record of picking up free agents, I'd just assume keep him as take the risk on who Al gambles on

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

Ok...I can see you not liking his comments or feelings towards yet another fucking coach. But to question Lechler's ability is just assinine. Shane is probably right behind guy (if he hasn't passed him) as the greatest punter....ever....period....end of story.

Yes greatest ever...

But do we need him? You don't see the correlation that bad quarterbacks = punters looking like the star of the show.

Our Offense is going to be crazy good... Shane Lechler has the easiest job in Hawaii... In those probowl games the punters might only kick the ball 1 or 2 times cause the teams are being led down the field by your Mannings, Brees and Bradys.

I'm not saying Lechler is a bad bloke, & my feelings towards his comments were like taking it with a grain of salt, because league wide the life of a punter is like someone who'd shine shoes back in the Industrial Revolution.. Who cares? he might be a nice bloke and captain. But like Wu-Tang Hokie pointed out when was the last time you won us a football game? Dudes entitled to a opinion. But he certainly doesn't talk on behalf of the whole team. Like Hue said he probably had 20 phone calls and txt messages from the players on the morning of his HC announcement saying there excited for 2011.

Oh I see the correlation and I don't disagree with anything you said in the last post. But saying the only reason he made all those probowls was because we had shit QB's, defenses, etc. is crazy....he made those probowls because he is fucking good. I'm not sure I would pay him what he makes....but to question his ability is wrong in my opinion.

Ok sorry i must of typed it wrong. I said he had the chance to become a good punter because he had all those opportunities to kick in game scenarios.

Just look at the life of a punter during training camp... Do they kick a lot of balls? Or are the Raiders so paranoid about Lechler/Janikowski getting injured during the preseason that they shelf them until game 3 of the preseason as to not increase there likelyhood of injuries.

I agree.. BEST PUNTER in the game & the Net Average Stat is all time leading... But I want to cut him cause a) we could buy a really special player with 4 million extra funds which is tied up in our punter (Janikowski is worth every penny. & b) I'm hurt that LEchler spoke the truth about Al getting rid of Cable.. Al paid him handsomely and Lechler gets pissed and runs to the media? I'm sure things will smooth over with those 2. maybe Lechler over-reacted? He'd be best to keep his mouth shut and say the right things at training camp to keep earning 8 million over 2 years!!

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

Ok...I can see you not liking his comments or feelings towards yet another fucking coach. But to question Lechler's ability is just assinine. Shane is probably right behind guy (if he hasn't passed him) as the greatest punter....ever....period....end of story.

Yes greatest ever...

But do we need him? You don't see the correlation that bad quarterbacks = punters looking like the star of the show.

Our Offense is going to be crazy good... Shane Lechler has the easiest job in Hawaii... In those probowl games the punters might only kick the ball 1 or 2 times cause the teams are being led down the field by your Mannings, Brees and Bradys.

I'm not saying Lechler is a bad bloke, & my feelings towards his comments were like taking it with a grain of salt, because league wide the life of a punter is like someone who'd shine shoes back in the Industrial Revolution.. Who cares? he might be a nice bloke and captain. But like Wu-Tang Hokie pointed out when was the last time you won us a football game? Dudes entitled to a opinion. But he certainly doesn't talk on behalf of the whole team. Like Hue said he probably had 20 phone calls and txt messages from the players on the morning of his HC announcement saying there excited for 2011.

Oh I see the correlation and I don't disagree with anything you said in the last post. But saying the only reason he made all those probowls was because we had shit QB's, defenses, etc. is crazy....he made those probowls because he is fucking good. I'm not sure I would pay him what he makes....but to question his ability is wrong in my opinion.

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

Ok...I can see you not liking his comments or feelings towards yet another fucking coach. But to question Lechler's ability is just assinine. Shane is probably right behind guy (if he hasn't passed him) as the greatest punter....ever....period....end of story.

Yes greatest ever...

But do we need him? You don't see the correlation that bad quarterbacks = punters looking like the star of the show.

Our Offense is going to be crazy good... Shane Lechler has the easiest job in Hawaii... In those probowl games the punters might only kick the ball 1 or 2 times cause the teams are being led down the field by your Mannings, Brees and Bradys.

I'm not saying Lechler is a bad bloke, & my feelings towards his comments were like taking it with a grain of salt, because league wide the life of a punter is like someone who'd shine shoes back in the Industrial Revolution.. Who cares? he might be a nice bloke and captain. But like Wu-Tang Hokie pointed out when was the last time you won us a football game? Dudes entitled to a opinion. But he certainly doesn't talk on behalf of the whole team. Like Hue said he probably had 20 phone calls and txt messages from the players on the morning of his HC announcement saying there excited for 2011.

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

Ok...I can see you not liking his comments or feelings towards yet another fucking coach. But to question Lechler's ability is just assinine. Shane is probably right behind guy (if he hasn't passed him) as the greatest punter....ever....period....end of story.

a great punter, sure...but overpaid and not worth it...how many games has he won us?

Very true, He's benefieted from being on woeful Defenses between 2002-2009!!! Quarterbacks like Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks & Jamarcus Russell being Quarterbacks that are notorious for 3rd & out & Drive Killers.

The reason why Shane Lechler and Andy Lee were constant probowlers is they had so many ingame practice

He might even worth be cutting... Least Jason Campbell is compotent to get us into Field Goal and Redzone action!

TNBlueRaider

All I'm pointing out is this isn't the Oakland Raiders dudes! it hasn't been for awhile we are living in the past. It is now Al Davis's personal chess board and he has forgotten how to play chess. Remember all the things we said were a problem before and how we said they were playing for Cable, well none of the problems have changed: still no GM, ass kissing front office, new head coach after best season in years (remember Gruden anyone), no explanation for any of the coaches he fires except Al doesn't like them and shows not class while doing it, former players unhappy (Gannon), current players unhappy (Lechler) All I'm saying is we are taking steps back not forward if this is not true, Please gives me some positives! and no adding a new head coach to make it 7 in the past 10 years is not a positive for me.