The Malaysian government has done a deal that secures them the rights to a tiny RFID identification chip that can be used for a range of purposes. The intellectual property has been acquired from Japanese research company FEC and gives the government access to a 0.5mm x 0.5mm identity chip now dubbed the Malaysian Microchip (MM).

The MM can be used for a number of different things including replacing a barcode on consumer products, being an extra security measure on credit cards (or even bank notes), and it is even possible to implant it into animals or humans to track their whereabouts. The ID chip uses multi-band RFID technology so both Europe and the US are markets for the technology even though they use different bands.

Currently being finalized, the chip will be available next year. Manufacturing will be done in Japan. However, Malaysia is currently readying factories to take over production in Kedah state by the wafer manufacturing company Silterra.

MATTHEW'S OPINION
This is the sort of thing that worries a lot of people: the production of a chip no bigger than a decimal point that can track you wherever you go. I doubt very much that we will see it entering humans in the near future, though. The money to be made is in attaching them to products we buy, to both speed up the purchase process, and help companies know what we are buying.

ID chips are already being considered for bank notes and credit cards need all the security they can get. So, in both of these cases, I think it is a good thing. In terms of goods tracking, there are many privacy issues to be raised. With people already getting upset about voluntary loyalty card schemes, a forced chip surveillance system will not go down at all well across the US and Europe.

Unfortunately, I think this kind of thing is inevitable. Let's just hope the privacy laws in our countries stop it from becoming too common.

USER COMMENTS 69 comment(s)

666(7:51am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)It's interesting that everything prophesied in the bible that was way out is now possible… and so many don't believe. - by Paul

i'm one of many(9:11am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)if we all chip in we can have the bible implanted into paul.

what i do believe is the last paragraph of matthew's opinion, except for the part about privacy laws protecting any of us. - by 10101101

I still wonder…(9:29am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)who's going to get blamed the day a few dozen of these things end up on a few items and the computers read it as a full load. I'm tired about worrying about being tracked everywhere I go and having everything I do cataloged – it's probably already going on to some extent (if you consider that by the time the government announces a plan to do something they've been planning and toying with it for years). I'm not copping to the “I have nothing to hide, so I don't care” crowd – I still think they're little maggots who couldn't rub two sticks together to win a stick rubbing contest. I think we all have things we want to keep private – be it purchases, or outings, or anything else you can think of – but people in general are stupid sheep and will jump on anything they're told will make their lives easier. - by bleh

666(9:37am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I'm with Paul. Implanting chips violates the bible's teachings, our personal privacy, and everything else.. I know their are many who don't believe in the Bible's teachings, God, or anything else, but I think it is obvious that the possible negative effects of implanting chips into humans far aways the possible good effects. - by by John

another terrorist attack (10:01am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)if 9/11 (aka operation northwoods) happened again we'd have to get these chips - by moving out of USA

Matrix????(10:04am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Hey man! I dont want the crappy U.S governament to hack me anytime anywhere using that chip. It sounds too much like matrix story…Yeah! it may get developed to that stage if we let our govt. do it freeely…- by Pirate of Carribbean

What if(10:04am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)The big brothers of the world find ways to sneak the chip into your system like shooting you with an air gun or while you are knocked out in the dentists chair?

Would God body slam you to hell for being one of the collective even if it wasn't you choice? - by Luke

I want one(10:40am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I think this is a good ideaI think it's inevitableI think Paul and John should take spelling lessonsI think they should read other books too - by Alien8

re Luke(10:57am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Yes, you will taste the wrath of God in the end days if you accept the mark! Read your Bible and learn wisdom. A microchip would be fulfill the prophesy perfectly. If you note it reads in your hand and not on.Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

- by Regulas

re Alien 8(11:01am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Don't be foolRev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. - by Regulas

apocalyps chip(11:26am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)If any of you where raised in any another culture you would not tout the bible every time something vaguely resembles a passage in the book pops up.The chip is BAD. it has nothing to do with GOD or the bible. This has to do with paranoid governments, Capitalism and the age we live in. Governments worldwide require us to carry ID. Now we have the technology to implement there paranoid plans for tracking all citizens. Lets NOT. - by P.S.R

Well…(11:43am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)The next time we get a guy in the ER who claims “they” put a chip in his head and are tracking him I will have to think twice before I medicate and confine him.

Oh, we get a lot of them quoting the Bible too, and the occasional Jesus Christ. - by VOR

Geez(11:45am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)And i thought this was about technology, good bad, or ugly.Are you sure you guys browsed to GEEK.COM and not IMAF**KINGIDIOT.COM?Take your theology babble elsewhere, I'm pretty sure damn few of us here appreciate it.We don't come to your boards and start Linux vs. M$ harangues, do we? - by Enough!

Enough!(11:58am EST Wed Sep 10 2003)It is one of the primary fears of Christians to mistakenly accept the mark of the beast. I'd be willing to bet there are enough Christians viewing this site for it to be topical. Why don't you go flame somewhere else?

Regulas – Anyone can quote the bible. You never answered my question, what if it happend to us with out our consent or we were unaware it had been implanted? - by Luke

Sorry(12:03pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I'm not trying to flame people with no reason, just keep them on-topic.As it turns out, we submit VOLUNTARILY to just this type of technology evey day, and think nothing of it.Do you carry a cell phone? Rest assured the govt. can track you if it wants to. We make this sacrifice consciously (at least I do) and of all the possible negative effects stemming from it, demonization of my phone is the least of my worries. - by Enough!

Enough!(12:16pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Having a cell phone is way different than having a mark or implant placed on your body.

They can't track me if I throw my cell phone into the Hudson River but they might find my body if I jumped in.

The argument revolves around permanantly marking yourself because you cannot buy, sell, or get credit without the mark. Christians believe once you take it, you have written yourself a one way ticket to hell. Thats all.

Biometrics is better tracking for Christians because there is no marking involved, only the reading of unique traits already given by God. That is unless some theologian has a different opinion about it.. - by Luke

All the diff(12:23pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)So if they track you via face-recognition systems (which are already in place at some locations), or change to biometrics instead of credit cards, that's good, but it they do it with another technology – of which there was NO POSSIBLE CONCEPT at the time the bible was allegedly written – the that's bad.How about we keep it simpler and just say, if it impedes me in my daily life or infringes my rights then it's bad – otherwise, use it if it suits you.And I don't see where it says this is a christian-only chatroom, I'm positive we must have people from several religions here, maybe even some with none? Let's let them play too, ok? - by Enough!

Wakeup (1:05pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I agree with “Sorry” with current technology it is relativly easy to track anyone. If this bothers you that just the way it is. Does anyone remember the 80s (little foggy ) The evangelical movment was all freaked about the apocolyps and how Ronald Ragan was the beast.duh. Every decade the sayers of doom crawl from there holes to propigate there twisted message.Wakeup… God gave you a brain us it.Any church with money not destined for the poor is a buissiness. It dosn't matter what you beleve in GOD CHRIST BUDA or OATMEAL your wrong..lol God will tell you this when you meet him.This chip technology is only an improvment on the existing chip..like the one in your dog or cat. Beware of false OATMEAL..- by P.S.R

This is on thread(1:14pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I think whether or not a technology is accepted and implemeted in daily life because of the beliefs of a not-inconsiderable portion of the world's population is dead on.

If people rebel against this chip because of privacy concerns, OK.

If they rebel against this chip because of religious concerns, OK.

If either or both of these groups amount to a large enough percentage of the targeted consumers (presumably everyone?), then companies and/or governments will have reason to NOT implement them. If companies still make these chips mandatory to buy and sell goods, other companies will arise to compete with them by simply not requiring the chips. Governments adopting these chips may be harder to get around, but that's assuming their constituents allow it to go that far in the first place. - by JRink

1. foreign government wants to find out where embassey people go.2. inject a chip (ouch – I stepped on a tack…) and the chip is transmitting in code..3. plant hidden readers around protected locations.4. tracking can now be done in real time.

Human vs Computer Virus(1:36pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)This foreshadows the days when humans will be just as susceptible to computer viras' as they now are to biological ones. For example, we receive a synthetic biological virus which codes our identification chip instructing us to send mail to everyone in our address book. - by clone1123

Just numbers..(2:16pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)right on - by not a holy fool

And I (2:47pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)thought I was crazy… And I'm mormon… Whew… There are a few people still crazier than me…

RE: Just Numbers — I agree on a lot of what your saying, but maybe its just the conspriacy therorist in me, but I don't really care too much for Big Brother looking over my shoulder…

George Orwell's ideas for 1984 don't seem to be too far away when things like this are brought to the consumer's attention. Fair tales and fantasy fiction is what everyone seemed to say when 1984 and Brave New World hit the shelves… Now-a-days I don't think either Orwell or Huxley were that far off base…

I usually tend to feel like “Its ok if they want to track me, I have nothing to hide…” I don't have anything to hide, but its kind of like living with your parents… Eventually you gotta get out from under their roof, without them constantally looking over your shoulder and monitoring what you do. Doesn't matter if your looking at porn or just watching Sport's Center on ESPN You eventually need your own space… So why should it be any different with the government? - by DownWithTheMan

its different(4:10pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)the government is there to help us thats why. There are a huge ratio of people to government officials, so only the people that are doing something horribly wrong would be tracked. - by macs suck

Macs suck(5:15pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Oh it is wonderful to live in your world. Nice thought though. Governments are paranoid and continuously try and find reasons to take away your freedoms. Where did you grow up..To you geeks that still live with your parents. Must be nice to not pay rent.

As for the chip, it would lower shoplifting and keep track of livestock. This will never make it into any citizens of the US, only humans I see this being used on is maximum security prisioners.

- by beatingu

Re: Macs Suck(5:41pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Wow.And what if the govt decides that everyone who disagrees with it is doing something “horribly wrong” to broaden this into a geopolitical topic what if a radical Islamic Country (just an example of govt) decided to tag all women so they could track them at all times and make sure they were never showing hair under their scarves? (I dunno.. with a camera mounted in buisness/public doorways triggered by the chips RFID perhaps?)According to some govts these people are doing something “horribly wrong” and they might be rounded up.And the last time I checked the presedent of the US isnt too clear on who is and isnt a 'terrorist'

If you blow up building full of innocents you might just be a terrorist and you should be hunted and captured/killed

If you spraypaint Political slogans on SUV's and set fire to acar dealership harming no-one you are a CIVIL DISSIDENT, you should be captured, jailed, tried in court, or fined.

But if certain people had their way, all 'terrorists' go to guantanimo with no trial.According to ashcroft “the courts have no jurisdiction here[gitmo base in cuba]“

But look at it this way, at least we wont have to get flashed in the eyes like in Minority Report D - by Vonkaiser

beatingu(6:49pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)Its not about proving the bible to be correct. Its about something called FAITH.

FAITH that the bible is right not because it can be proven in some kind of experiment but, because you believe. Besides, most of it is written as metaphor which means you have to look for your own truth in it as it applies to you. - by Luke

My Dog has a chip(6:57pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I got a dog from the San Diego county animal shelter 2 years ago. Part of the process includes imbedding a micro-chip the size of a grain of rice into the back of his neck. That way the next time he jumps the fence and a stranger takes him to a vet or the dog pound, they just scan him and call or email us to pick his sorry butt up! - by Not sick/Not well

I am not a number, I'm a man!(7:36pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I'm with Paul. I think a lot of our technology is advancing too fast for our morals/ethics to catch up. Still I hope The Powers That Be will not be for implanting people with chips because that would be considered “The Mark of The Beast.” I've been hearing about implanted chips possibly being used in this fashion since the 1970's and I even met one guy who's been warning about implanted chips as far back as the 1950's.

So far although there are a few reservations I have with our Patriot Act, I do support the majority of it and it has done quite well for now. I have nothing against tracking and profiling possible terrorists and sending real terrorists to Gitmo whether they are from the Middle East or the goons who paint SUV's and burn houses, but requiring everyone to get chips implanted is way too far. - by Nowhere Man 1966

Prophesy(9:05pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)The bible consists of prophesy. You ever hear of self-fulfilling prophesy? IF govts use this on the population, it could fulfill the prophesy laid out in Revelations and we'll have armegeddon. All because so many beleive this particular item to be ” the mark of the beast”. Technology going so fast that man, with his infinite lack of wisdom, will spell his own demise. - by MrReLoAd

hmm(9:20pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)How do you guys feel about nanoaugmentation? Have computerized implants that make you run faster, jump higher, and just be the ultimate super soldier.

How about On Board Computing(OBC)? I think OBC has some great potential. I mean yeah it could be used to track me, but I wouldnt mind having a start of the art computing system walking around with me all the time. Bored? Load up some Deus Ex 15, and have a go at some of the future's best games.

These are all relevant issues of the future. I mean I know I would want an uber-powerful computer talking directly to my brain! Think about the possibility! Learn something by just reading it once. No more calculators! Talk to your friends by just thinking of opening a program.

I know this is probably not going to happen anytime soon, mostly due to the fact that today's computers are A)too big B)way too hot c)require too much power.

I really hope this happens, because this would be amazing. - by macs suck

beatingu(10:20pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)MrReLoAd makes a valid point, and I agree with him to an extent. I spent 6 diligent years with an open HEART researching the integrity of the Bible's claims. I can honestly state that it's mathematically impossible for any man to fulfill the over 300 SPECIFIC prophecies that Jesus did, so I donít believe faith is a blind matter as Luke stated but it still doesn't make it faith easy :)(Thereís actually some verses in the Bible Iíve included for you Luke at the bottom dealing with having a SOUND MIND when it comes to faith).

I'm not trying to preach beatingu (nor is this the place to : ) but don't be so quick judge a philosophy by those who abuse it. Youíll just end up possessing the same characteristic that you despise within them, ignorance….

awesome stuff(10:37pm EST Wed Sep 10 2003)I've read a lot of stuff about nanotechnology and the things that could be possible are glorious. Having a supercomputer in your head would be very cool, but you should probably be able to turn it off, what would happen if you turned it off and found out you were nothing without it? Adding a few billion artificial synapses to your brain could possibly boost your intelligence quite a bit.

As for this religious stuff, just like you said Luke, they are metaphors that are so broad that they can be used in many different examples. And don't try to say that they are too accurate or any of that crap because the fact is that you can find hidden messages in any piece of work ever written. They found the assassinations of four presidents in Moby Dick alone. - by beatingu

This is weird..(12:47am EST Thu Sep 11 2003)All this religious stuff was being talked about in this discussion begining with paul, then john, then luke, then there's a peter too.. coincidence?

To All That are Scared(2:36pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)First off Religion is the #1 Cause of War and Death.you dont see people dying in mass numbers for wanting a Red Tooth Brush as a pose to a Blue one. Religion was made to scare the minds of the weak to follow a good cause, which it does have, but crazy fanatics like you guys take it out of hand and ruin the number one meaning of it all.--DONT DO TO OTHERS, WHAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT OTHERS TO DO TO YOU. BE NICE that is all.they did not have police back then, they had manipulation, what better way other than to scare.--When we get married we where a mark around our finger, that is a christianity way, also you are not supposed to take it off, so it is a mark. i see more people getting married all the time.--They are talking about the mark of Satan which is, we all know the symbol, look it up. Now if they had a Pentium 4 and G5 2 thousand years ago then this would be something to consider.--The Chip, well when you are about to die take the damn thing out. you Redeem yourself, God will forgive you, and if God gets pissed because you were waring something that might better help a cause called SAFE SOCITY then that sucks. if it becomes a problem that is the benefit of living in this country, take it out, fight for your cause, but if it tracks some Peace of Crap that is going to blow up a building it might be in then great, if it will help me if i get hurt so a doctor knows when not to give me then even better.--If i dont have to worry about some asshole taking my wallet then Holly #$%@, i am doing it. and if it makes me by porn faster then i will be the first. --If it tells me that there is a Child Molester in my town then i know where not to take my kids,--Personally i think this would be a great thing for tracking children and i think it should be mandatory for them to have. i know i would not want my child kidnapped and now know where they are. Think about it, a pager can beep ever time your kid comes within 10 feet of a convicted pervert, felon, murder, crazy nut.--if you you are about to have Sex with someone that might have deceases then you can scan them with permission and see if they do, help out a lot there.--if you are single you can turn on your single indicator. better chances Nerds!!!-there are so many good reasons for having this, and if you want to run from the Gov. then cut it out, get rid of it. if you are worried that the Gov. will know you bought that Sex Toy then cut out, but they will not care, they will only care if you are going to use that on a 3 year old.--I just love how all you Religious nerds and some non-Religious nerds think you are so damn important that the Gov. is going to want to watch you. get your hear out of your asses people. there are ways around of this if you dont want it. dont cry. if it becomes mediatory then so be it, but it will not, but i would get one, if it betters my experience of living. - by Lordross

heh(2:57pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)More like 1000 feet of a pervert, 10 is too close - by ahh

Foolish People(3:14pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)I can't believe some of the messages on this board. Are some of you totally ignorant of what is taking place on earth, read your bibles. Eph 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: This is a spiritual war for the hearts and minds of people it's taking place world wide, and satan is setting the course the world is now following. Anyone on this forum can give me a phony explenation of businness and security. That doesn't make any difference, their simply following the course layed out. This war is old, prepare yourselves for great deception.Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.John referring to the deception that satan will use to get ppl to worship the beast. Use your minds folks its not just as simple as governments, its a spirit that has a course layed out for the world. - by Unveiled

Mac Sucks(3:44pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)I think i am going to go back the the Mac VS PC Wars.__Macs Sucks, say something, i am sick of herring these people talking, for once i realized i look forward to you preaching and why, because computers are so much better than Bible Thumpers. i rather use a Windows than listen to this crap.__here i will start it, Apple made this first and Bill copied it and made it not work with anyother person that does not have the MS scanner. there goes Bill always making everythig into crap again. - by Lordross

Beat that bible(4:03pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)Cmon, bible beaters. There is no commandment that says: Thou shall not implant chips in thyself.

So get over it!

Ooh I thought of another cool function of implanted computers, that being you can listen to whatever music you want, whenever. And share with friends if you would like! Talk about great. BTW thanks Ross, if thats what your name is.

PS In my previous posting, I mentioned on board computing. I was having a brain fart at the time. I meant In Human Computing. Sorry for that. - by macs suck

I agree Lordross…(6:37pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)Religion is the #1 Cause of War and Death.. ATHIESM being the largest (Stalin, Hitler, etc.). We live in a society where individuals are so quick to open their mouth without reflecting on the facts of history, and learning from its mistakes. - by Non-Repudiation

Non-Repudiation Guy & Mac Sucks(7:19pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)Read on it, Hitler was not a Atheist, he did believe in God he also believed in a all white race, that god wanted it that way (him thinking not me). one more reason people Decipher the Bible wrong.__God was a BIG BIG reason behind his Killings so that was a really stupid statement, but i forgive you because my name is Lordross )__Stalin was Roman Catholic.__Crazy Religious People once again took the cake in Killings. if there is one thing i know it is History, before i got into 3D animation i was teaching High-school History, i also got my Masters in History at UCLA which is easy but none the less i spent 7 years of studying.__Mac Sucks, it is great how we can all just get along now ) PC people and Mac people getting together to wipe out really pointless bible thumpers that are just lost in the world and have nothing else in life to make them happy.__People you know how many Bibles there are in the world. loot it up you will laugh, and no they are not all based off of one ether, a lot were written without knowledge of the others. you cant pick one book and say it is true.__The bible was also rewritten thousands of times over the years by Insane killers, kings, crazy people that were sick from illnesses that were not treatable and they saw things, i can go on and on. you need to open your minds. if anything God gave you a brain to think for your selves, not think for him. that is the beauty of having a thought. you think all might God could make all of this but not make you have only one thought in life and that is to serve him.

i think that one thought would be a lot easer than creating life it self.

Sad sad world if you ask me, good thing they have Disneyland. - by Lordross

Your Version Of God “Read Your Bible”(9:52pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)Lordross it doesn't make a bit of difference what you say. Our differences run so deep you will never see the truth because you are blinded by sin. You are a humanist blinded to the spiritual world that exists behind this one. People behave and act the way they do because of a belief, the bible says to love not to hate and kill. Read the bible what does it have to say. {2 TIMOTHY 3:5} “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

There are alot of ppl running around doing lots of stuff that has nothing to do with God, claiming to hear God. - by Unveiled

What a Fu&^%*g joke(10:41pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)Forehead or right hand, What if it's in your left shoulder or your back? What then? - by Not submissive

Not to be a punk Lordross : ) , but…(11:06pm EST Thu Sep 11 2003)- Joseph Stalin was initially preparing for the ministry until he rejected it completely. That's why Lenin chose him because of his extreme hatred and rejection of God and the Church

- Hitler believed in the occultic teachings of a Russian woman named Madam Helena Blavatsky. Her teachings combined with the teachings of such Atheistic philosophers as Frederick Nietzsche justified Hitler's cause, and resulted in the bloodbath of WWII.

Whatever you opinions are, I would definitely recommend that you watch a DVD entitled “Occult History of the Third Reich”. I'm sure you'd enjoy it, and it only costs $17 Canadian on Amazon.ca. Don't worry there's no mention of God there : )

As far as opening your mind is concerned, I think you'd actually be shocked that the Bible actually encourages you test its credentials (unlike almost all other philosophies and religious book out there). If you're bored, read over those verses I left for Luke earlier on in this page.

In the end, no matter how much of a genius you are academically, it comes down to the intentions of the heart and whether it truly yearns to find truth, or believe in a philosophy devised by a man that suits your current lifestyle. - by Non-Repudiation

Non-Repudiation & Unveiled(2:42pm EST Fri Sep 12 2003)Non-Repudiation you first :)Stalin did believe in God at first, he did have a extreme Hatred of Church yes because he wanted to be a dictator himself, he say that Church was taking over and would always have a power over the weak (that is what he wanted), not saying he is right there, because god is a great concept. well i am not going to get into him, because in a sense you are right about his faith, mostly it was questioned, so you can really never really know there._Now Hitler he was a man of god and i am not going to watch a DVD of him because i have read enough about the looser in my life (especially in school) he was a person of belief, all the time he referred to God, he knew that god had a great impact into peoples minds what better way to take advantage. But you will never really know if he truly believed in him._i have read the Bible and i don't know what you want to call the Bible because there are so many different ones. so i have read 12 different bibles, from different cultures. all of them have a great story, really that is all i can take it as. they all have a bit of truth.____Unveiled for you.don't ever tell me i am blinded by sin because i don't believe in YOUR God or YOUR decipher of the Bible YOU read. Or that i don't quote passages to better help a pointless argument that you will never win. 90% of the world is completely dumb as hell, 95 % of the world believes in a Religion, honestly i believe that a lot of that 95% only believes so they can save their soul out of they fact that they are scared. SAD SAD way to live a life. That is complete ignorance, and think about it, i can tell you are person of faith, now if you grew up reading a different bible because mommy and daddy picked it for you (as they did now i am sure of it) then you would be telling me a whole different story, so it is not the fact that you are right it is the fact that you are BRAIN WAHSED. _Now i never said God sucks, he is a cool dude to me. i never seen the guy, i don't know if he is even a guy. Point being i believe in the idea being a good one behind it yes, and i will not go out and kill or bad stuff like that. now for you to question me and want me question myself just makes me mad, because you have never questioned yourself or stepped away from the book, or you are one of them guys that was a bad person and now found the book thinking that you will be saved, if that is the case i don't even want to talk to you, you are a hopeless moron that can think for himself. well and a bible thumper is a pointless moron that cant think for himself ether. so say what you want i will live my life you can live yours, and of course if there is a Heaven that is a really nice place to go then i would like to go there when i die. if God cant except me for me being me as HE MADE ME AS HE MADE ALL PEOPLE AND THINGS well it kinds of sucks that he already laid down the story for my end. why should i subject my life to your sad brain washed life. __Your Book Contradicts itself everywhere, that is why they leave OPEN STATEMENTS for you to fill in the blanks, it is what hot line psychics do to make you believe them. Funny 87% of people that call those things are mass believers in god. they know how to take advantage of the weak don't they. the rest are people that prank call, and just wan to see._well i can go on and on right now but i am going to pop because, if there is one thing in learned in life, once Brain washed there is not point in trying to save. tell me i am going to burn, but here me now i am going to make it my after death mission to hunt you down in well you will most likely be in hell also because god does not like weak minded people, it is a sin you know Sloth of the Mind (take it how you want it), well i will find you and we will see. it is also a Sin to question God did you know, that back in the day it would get your head cut, come places still can. another good way to make the weak still believe.

Or we will be Cows in the next life, so who knows. - by Lordross

Re: Lordross(7:49pm EST Fri Sep 12 2003)I feel the need to reply because of a belief that you have. You seem to think Christian people are uneducated, quite the contrary. I come from a family with a computer programmer graphic designer and airplane pilot. I've travelled quite exstensively in Europe and South America, I'm not blind to other religions. I don't consider myself to be religios. I have the spirit of God living in me. I should probably be locked up for saying that. I have searched many versions of the bible, Greek, Aramaic, Latin. There isn't a large difference in the text they all say basically the same thing. The only thing one really needs to know is who there father is….spiritual father that is. The bible states that Satan wanted to be like God and so adam followed that idea. According to the bible the whole human race fell under that one mistake adam made. Redemption comes through christ. I can hear you saying reedemed from what?? Your own demise (death) why do ppl die I ask you?

Decay is all around, nothing science has done will reverse this, it is a law governing the physical existence. You should read about Histology the study of cells on a molecular level. I have also been reading recently about the the elastic like fabric that is tearing apart as the universe excelerates. Man is trying to reverse the effects of this disorder to no avail….Why the disorder I ask you?? Obviosly God is not the God of the world here….Satan is.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.

I don't think your unintellingent or stupid, in the end though it's about blind faith. Becoming like a child. You will die like I will and this discussion won't change what we will be confronted with in the afterlife. It would be a scary thing to die and then realize your father is Satan and he has you. - by Unveiled

Re: Lordross(7:51pm EST Fri Sep 12 2003)Sorry about the typos I didn't have alot of response time. - by Unveiled

NO religion is necessary…(12:54am EST Sat Sep 13 2003)Just the Spirit of Truth.To Enough! – no concept of our current technology was needed John the Prophet was shown things to come, and since he could not have understood the concept, he described what he saw the best way he could in his language and terminology…

To beatingu – if you are curious to know about who, at this writing, already have microchips implanted, go here:

To Lordross – yes, religion can be a vehicle for the perversion of the Word of God by the ignorant and vain, and no, there were no Pentium 4's, etc back in the days of Jesus, but there were prophets that were shown things to come (see note to Enough!) and it is not so much the potential loss of privacy that worries us, but the ever-increasing dependence on technology and the growing tendency to put ALL our trust in ONE government and it's economical practices (the biggest loss would be our own humanity for the sake of a few thrills and conveniences)

To macs suck – “Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me” means no-one and NO-THING! is to have more importance in our lives than the Love Of & For OUR GOD!

And finally to Unveiled – Re: Matthew 10:14-15 – “And Whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet….”- by jona

Postings(5:04am EST Fri Sep 19 2003)Very interesting discussion. Time will tell, I think many prophecies in the Bible are happening today. We'll see. What if the “Bible thumpers” are right, what will happen to the rest? Don't think there are any computers in HELL! Good Luck, may all find Truth. - by aj

TRUE TRUE(12:56pm EST Mon Mar 08 2004)I totally agree with you 'Unveiled'Satan is ruling this world now..only if people realise this and turn back to GOD..but they dont,they realise it but they keep on backsliding.. - by Js

Chips(10:01pm EST Fri May 07 2004)I always thought it would be very cool to be able to do college by purchasing your chosen profession and having it implanted in your brain so you could start a career very young. One could skip 4 or 8 yrs training to be a Dr. etc.IT would give you the meat of the career then you could put your own spin on it. I have been looking around at info about the chip. There seems to be a lot of interest in ours and other countrys. I wonder what catastrophy they can come up with to convince us chip implants are our only recourse. Atom bomb maybe for one. Other terrorist acivities? Seems like when something horrible happens politicians start quickly making new security laws by the tons.I Love America and people and celebrate the diversity we have. We would not volentarily all get chip implants to be ID'd or monitored by the gov. What happens if you throw a frog into boiling water. Of course it would jump out frightened and hurt. But if you take that same frog and put him in warm water and keep heating it up gradualy it would be cooked before it noticed. Things appear to be in place for the chip implant I believe something will come up to convince the majority to implant. As an American I have no desire to give up the freedom we stand for. Babies in the hospitals could be umplanted for various reasons one of them being safety. - by Clo

malaysia(2:39am EST Sun Oct 17 2004)full of con artist and useless muslim terrorist. a known escape for wanted muslim extremist. terrorist training camps and corrupt government run by muslims known as bumi's. these idiots do better swinging from trees in the jungle. been there, hate the place, would never ever go back. i say nuke'm back into the stone age where they belong. the country really sucks. - by sammy

it is the nummber of the beast(6:57pm EST Tue Nov 09 2004)god help us all. the truth needs to be told. cant buy or sell .so ask your self is the biochip the nummber of the beast. - by sandy

666(8:29pm EST Mon Mar 21 2005)VISA VI=6, S=6, A=6.I have no credit cards.I never cary any ID, not even a name badge at work. I have these, but they stay locked up until I need them to cash a check. (no bank acct either)Clothing I wear is usually black with the hood covering my face. (so damned good looking and the misses gets jelous).No cell phone, not even a regular phone. (Quest ticked me off.)Whether the chip is the mark or not, it is still something I will buy into. It would be a hindrance for the time I go off the deepend and reak revenge on all the capitalistic pigs I hold grudges against. - by mojo

666(8:31pm EST Mon Mar 21 2005)Sorry, I meant I will not buy into the chip. - by mojo

666 IN BARR CODE(5:28am EST Sat Sep 10 2005)THE IMPLANTABLE CHIP IT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST FOR SURE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE 666 HIDDEN IN THE BARR CODE. THERE ARE TREE IDENTICAL LINES WITH HIDDEN NUMBERS AT THE BEGINING, IN THE MIDDLE AND AT THE END.THOSE LINES REPRESENT THE NUMBER 6, YOU CAN CHECK IT.YOU ALSO, I MEAN, EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD SHOULD SEE THE MOVIE “IN PLANE SITE” WHERE YOU CAN SEE WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT 9/11 IS THE BIGGEST CONSPIRICY AND LIE OF OUR CENTURY. SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH I AM FROM SPAIN. BUSH AND MOST GOVERMENTS, ENTERPRISES AND AGENCIES SERVE THE ILLUMINATIS .THEY WANT TO MARK US ALL. THIS IS NO JOKE. THE ILLUMINATIS SERVE LUCIFER. AGAIN THIS IS NO JOKE. - by ELI

future is present(12:40am EST Sun Nov 06 2005)it has all come far too real, gentlemen and ladies, unfortunately very real. At the moment it is neither instrument of security 'monitoring' or medical assistance, and as I don't want to hear spouting off of one of many sacred texts, let's just call it human weakness – the need to torture others for pleasure. I am a living (breathing / walking / talking / jamming / jivin' / lovin') example of such missuse. If you would like to see for yourselves invite me to your labs and I'll show you a few interesting things. - by Vermitz

im right(11:09am EST Tue Dec 06 2005)screw malaysians - by bartender

No turning back(3:08am EST Sat Dec 31 2005)After d mark, no turning back. Once in Hell, no turning back. Jesus is d Way, Truth and Life. This is an opportunity to repent (turn to God). After Death, no turning back. Look to your going. - by God's Patience