re: the lives of old country singers vs. the new breed around today(Posted by treble hook on 12/12/12 at 2:33 pm to TheDoc)

quote:Real country music is music that isn't primarily written to be marketed towards a certain demo

So none of the Outlaw stuff is real country. That's clearly written toward a certain demographic.

Why is it that you won't admit just because you don't like what's coming out of Nashville today you think it's not country? It is country music. That's what country music is today.

Music changes overe time. What's being made in Nashville in 10 years WILL NOT be the same as it is today. That's fine if you don't like it. To each his own. I'm peronaly not a fan of most of it, although I do like Church and a couple others. I really like the 90s era.

You still haven't answered my question. So what are some of the artists/bands you consider country? Both now and in the past?

I disagree. It's more about: life as a "working man," love, and having a good time. Not so much killing people and robbing banks. It was called the outlaw movement because they were rebelling against the machine.

quote:It's more about: life as a "working man," love, and having a good time.

There's songs like that coming out of Nashville today. They don't sound exactly the same but it's the same message. Do you have to be poor and do cocaine to be real country fan? I'm not getting it other than music today is different just like it has changed over the years.

re: the lives of old country singers vs. the new breed around today(Posted by CottonWasKing on 12/12/12 at 2:54 pm to treble hook)

quote:There's songs like that coming out of Nashville today. They don't sound exactly the same but it's the same message. Do you have to be poor and do cocaine to be real country fan? I'm not getting it other than music today is different just like it has changed over the years.

Change is not always a good thing. Country music no longer has an authentic feel to it. Music is not something you can talk about and only use tangibles, the most important part of music are the intangibles.

re: the lives of old country singers vs. the new breed around today(Posted by ArRazElle on 12/12/12 at 3:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24)

quote:because the music being made now isn't country music. and more people being fans is pretty meaningless

Oh, well, I suppose someone should tell the Academy of Country Music and Country Music Association that they are handing out the wrong awards to the wrong people; let country music radio stations know they're playing the wrong music; and while they're at it, even tell the folks at the Grand Ole Opry that they're having the wrong artists perform night after night.

Just because you don't like the country music that's being made, now, doesn't mean it isn't country music; and the fact that more people are fans of country music, today, than ever before, is extremely meaningful. It shows that the powers that be in Nashville finally got a clue that to get a more mainstream, broader fan base, they had to let country music artists have more creative control and exert more individual style over the music they make or choose and record. Not everyone enjoys straight traditional or outlaw country, and not every country artist or songwriter falls into one of those two categories. They broadened the definition of country music to include contemporary country music. If this appeals to a wider variety of listeners ranging from soccer moms to teenage boys living in gated communities, so what? It doesn't make it any less country. It sounds like a bunch of pissed off men bitching and griping that people with different outlooks are being let into their "He-Man Woman Haters' Club." Relax, you still have your country music, and, now, so do we.

re: the lives of old country singers vs. the new breed around today(Posted by treble hook on 12/12/12 at 3:21 pm to CottonWasKing)

quote:Change is not always a good thing. Country music no longer has an authentic feel to it. Music is not something you can talk about and only use tangibles, the most important part of music are the intangibles.

We can debate whether or not country music today has an authentic feel. I have no argument there. Alot of it is is very "cookie cutter." Not all, but a good bit. My point is that is still country music. It is what it is like it or not.

True but the message in alot of the songs may be the same or very similar. It's still country music. It may not be "good" country.

You usually see the same names near the top of everyone's list that loves the Outlaws...Haggard, Jones, Waylon, Willie. That may be the kind of music you like. I much prefer Jackson, Chesnutt, Lawrence. And even Eric Church. The point is it's all COUNTRY.

I get your point. But it is what it is. That's country music of 2012. I can't stand any of those btw. I mostly like the 90s stuff.

But I am a fan of Church. Best there is today and it's not even close. I know there's a bunch of Church haters on here but if you listen to all three of his records there is some damn good music on there.

Doc gives me shite for liking Chesney but I actually can't stand the crap he puts on radio. What I do like are his two albums "Be As You Are" and "Lucky Old Sun." They have some good songs on there that he wrote. Nothing like his singles on radio.