Don't worry - this is probably the only thread I'll post in this year.

:D

duke dynamite

10-20-2008, 01:33 AM

Roy Hibbert

15 Turnovers 19 Personal Fouls

This is the focal point of his development.

Kemo

10-20-2008, 03:00 AM

so anyone who wants to post updates, i will change them in the original post as time goes on... If I don't see anyone posting , then I will update them myself after every 3rd game we play ...

I am compiling Brandon Rush's stat's , and will post them with the next update

thx

rexnom

10-20-2008, 09:42 AM

Good thread idea.

OakMoses

10-21-2008, 09:58 AM

You can get compiled preseason stats from www.dougstats.com (http://www.dougstats.com) if you don't want to compile them yourself.

BlueNGold

10-24-2008, 07:41 PM

.bump

Hibbert, Oden, Rush, Beasley, Rose...in the same video. This dude says Hibbert may have been a steal in the draft and that Rush may be better than Granger...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba;_ylt=Apd8s_YK5.trac.7xh4r__85nYcB

Kemo

10-24-2008, 08:10 PM

Bump for updated stats

Kemo

10-30-2008, 03:44 AM

bump for update

:dance::dance:

ChicagoJ

10-30-2008, 01:41 PM

I thought both players gave a good glimpse into the upside we all want to see from them last night.

Roy didn't play much, I assume because of his ankle. Had a really nice spin move along the baseline, and didn't commit a single foul. Rasho was really effective, and Foster is probably a better matchup against the Pistons who are often playing with two PFs instead of a PF/C. With that approach to the frontcourt, the "try to win now" mentality was on full display.

Brandon played more, had a couple of nifty moves, extended his defense well on the wing, but he did get spun around pretty badly a couple of times as well (especially the last play of the third quarter.) Brandon certainly contributed more than Daniels did, and hopefully will get a bit more of those minutes going forward.

All things considered, I expected a double-digit loss last night and I was in shock when we jumped out to a 12-4 lead. We didn't even play well, I thought, and were still within two possessions in the final minute against a good team, so that is encouraging.

It certainly helps that neither Billups nor Hamilton played particuarly well, shooting a combined 10-26 and Rip turning the ball over a lot. I didn't feel like our defense was causing that, it seemed to me that they missed shots they usually hit.

I did get very distracted during the second half, as my wife interrupted her reading of political articles on the internet to tell me that my client completed its big, anticiapted merger last night, so I might have missed some of Rush's 2H performance and I haven't read any post-game articles or PD commentary yet. Work... ugh...

NapTonius Monk

10-30-2008, 02:01 PM

I thought both players gave a good glimpse into the upside we all want to see from them last night.

Roy didn't play much, I assume because of his ankle. Had a really nice spin move along the baseline, and didn't commit a single foul. Rasho was really effective, and Foster is probably a better matchup against the Pistons who are often playing with two PFs instead of a PF/C. With that approach to the frontcourt, the "try to win now" mentality was on full display.

Brandon played more, had a couple of nifty moves, extended his defense well on the wing, but he did get spun around pretty badly a couple of times as well (especially the last play of the third quarter.) Brandon certainly contributed more than Daniels did, and hopefully will get a bit more of those minutes going forward.

All things considered, I expected a double-digit loss last night and I was in shock when we jumped out to a 12-4 lead. We didn't even play well, I thought, and were still within two possessions in the final minute against a good team, so that is encouraging.

It certainly helps that neither Billups nor Hamilton played particuarly well, shooting a combined 10-26 and Rip turning the ball over a lot. I didn't feel like our defense was causing that, it seemed to me that they missed shots they usually hit.

I did get very distracted during the second half, as my wife interrupted her reading of political articles on the internet to tell me that my client completed its big, anticiapted merger last night, so I might have missed some of Rush's 2H performance and I haven't read any post-game articles or PD commentary yet. Work... ugh...

I think it's also encouraging that we played decently well without Dunleavy, who I think would have added considerably more than Quis gave us tonight. Not knocking Quis, but Dunleavy is such a skilled player. Ford had a couple of possessions where he blew by Chauncey like he was walking backwards.

MiaDragon

11-06-2008, 02:56 PM

Ok last night was the first game I’ve been able to watch this year. I was impressed with B Rush getting to the rim, I knew he could shoot but he finishes as well as Granger IMO.
Hibbert (please tell me if im way off base here) I didn’t see anything to get excited about, I know he’s a rook but he looked down right lost out there. I saw no impact on defense and – gasp – a down grade over Foster on O. There were a few times I could hear someone yell from the bench something to the effect “you gotta run Roy” “get down there Roy”. Maybe Im expecting too much too soon.

Coop

11-06-2008, 03:18 PM

a down grade over Foster on O.

:laugh::laugh:

Wait....

:lmao:

Speed

11-06-2008, 03:19 PM

Ok last night was the first game I’ve been able to watch this year. I was impressed with B Rush getting to the rim, I knew he could shoot but he finishes as well as Granger IMO.
Hibbert (please tell me if im way off base here) I didn’t see anything to get excited about, I know he’s a rook but he looked down right lost out there. I saw no impact on defense and – gasp – a down grade over Foster on O. There were a few times I could hear someone yell from the bench something to the effect “you gotta run Roy” “get down there Roy”. Maybe Im expecting too much too soon.

You really just saw his least effective game, he's still shaking out the nerves. I'm sure it didn't help being on the court with Shaq a guy you really looked up to as a kid.

Roy is fine, he needs to slow down a tick on offense and be stronger/more sure on defense. All things that will come with experience. I really really hope Obie sticks with him with minutes throughout the season, it's very important to the franchise imho.

He just needs to take a deep breath and relax.

Lastly, and then I'll stop apologizing for him, Amare is not someone he should ever be matched up against. That had to be an eye opener for him, I hope his confidence stays okay throughout this learning process.

OakMoses

11-06-2008, 03:40 PM

Lastly, and then I'll stop apologizing for him, Amare is not someone he should ever be matched up against. That had to be an eye opener for him, I hope his confidence stays okay throughout this learning process.

I agree with this completely. It might have been a good idea for us to play Roy whenever they played Shaq and taken him out whenever Shaq was off the floor.

He did have one nice pass last night, I think it was to Ford on a back door cut for a layup.

MiaDragon

11-06-2008, 03:42 PM

You really just saw his least effective game, he's still shaking out the nerves. I'm sure it didn't help being on the court with Shaq a guy you really looked up to as a kid.

Roy is fine, he needs to slow down a tick on offense and be stronger/more sure on defense. All things that will come with experience. I really really hope Obie sticks with him with minutes throughout the season, it's very important to the franchise imho.

He just needs to take a deep breath and relax.

Lastly, and then I'll stop apologizing for him, Amare is not someone he should ever be matched up against. That had to be an eye opener for him, I hope his confidence stays okay throughout this learning process.

Thanks, this is what I was looking for!!

Quis

11-06-2008, 03:51 PM

Once Hibbert learns to slow down and get rid of his rookie jitters, that little hook shot and shoulder-shimmy he has are gonna be close to unguardable.

Putnam

11-06-2008, 04:25 PM

Kemo,

I suggest that you maintain lines for each player's best performance at each statistic. In addition to his cumulative points per game average, you can also maintain a line showing his best game (with the date of that game.)

This will help us see if and how they are progressing. If you just update the averages, their exceptional performances will be obscured.

count55

11-06-2008, 04:42 PM

I didn't have any problem with Roy or Brandon last night. Roy has some nice moves, but he rushed them a little. He's going to be spottier than Rush is, and he's certainly more timid, but I saw a mid-round rookie trying to learn how to play the game.

ChicagoJ

11-07-2008, 07:10 PM

I agree with this completely. It might have been a good idea for us to play Roy whenever they played Shaq and taken him out whenever Shaq was off the floor.

I didn't see the game but this is exactly right. There is no reason for Hibbert to match up against Amare until the time when Amare is overwhelmed by Hibbert's size and patience at the other end of the court. Roy needs time and game experience before he'll ever be in a position to make PFs-playing-C obsolete against him.

Spirit

11-07-2008, 10:57 PM

Why does it say on boxscores that Hibbert shot 2 threes today? I didn't see him shoot any.

1984

11-07-2008, 11:08 PM

This is the focal point of his development.

Foul trouble is a typical problem for rookie big men. The game is quicker and more aggressive at this level and it takes time for a "big guy" to gain control.

Don't expect that to change too dramatically this season. However, we should hope that it will get better as the season moves forward.

On top of being mentally unstable, foul trouble really dampered David Harrison's development. Let's hope Roy figures this one out.

As for Brandon, he just looks like a rookie, yet he can still contribute. I don't buy the lie that either player has reached or has a low ceiling. They both look like fantastic future role players.

P.S., Hibbert really is earning playing time. He looked impressive against Zeke, and how about that Granger guy? I'm hoping that LeBron v. Danny can become midwest rivalry (like Jordan v. Miller).

Midcoasted

11-08-2008, 01:20 AM

P.S., Hibbert really is earning playing time. He looked impressive against Zeke, and how about that Granger guy? I'm hoping that LeBron v. Danny can become midwest rivalry (like Jordan v. Miller).

Exactly. Hibbert is going to be a beast within a couple years, if not by the end of this year(hopes and prays).

I've been called out for calling Danny a 30 point wing player when i said we had to extend him or he will get our of our price range fast. But he has proved he is. Not that he gets 30 every night, but very few do nowadays, if any. Jordan and Chamberlain and very few others ever have?

But Danny can get 30 on a contender on any given night. Kinda like Reggie. Reggie only averaged like 20 a game, but right below 30 for his whole playoff career until he got old.

Danny is putting up alot of 30 point games let's face it. Mike put up alot last year too. When he gets back we may have one of them over thirty around half the season? Im saying Dun gets 10 and danny gets 20. Danny has four 30 point games in in his last 6 if you coun't the last two games of last year.

Danny Granger has taken it to a whole other level. Rivalries will be formed. Sor sure. Kinda off topic here sorry.

idioteque

11-08-2008, 09:58 AM

Exactly. Hibbert is going to be a beast within a couple years, if not by the end of this year(hopes and prays).

I've been called out for calling Danny a 30 point wing player when i said we had to extend him or he will get our of our price range fast. But he has proved he is. Not that he gets 30 every night, but very few do nowadays, if any. Jordan and Chamberlain and very few others ever have?

But Danny can get 30 on a contender on any given night. Kinda like Reggie. Reggie only averaged like 20 a game, but right below 30 for his whole playoff career until he got old.

Danny is putting up alot of 30 point games let's face it. Mike put up alot last year too. When he gets back we may have one of them over thirty around half the season? Im saying Dun gets 10 and danny gets 20. Danny has four 30 point games in in his last 6 if you coun't the last two games of last year.

Danny Granger has taken it to a whole other level. Rivalries will be formed. Sor sure. Kinda off topic here sorry.

Easy there, cowboy. We're four games into the season. I hope what you're saying is true but I'd give it half a season at least to see if Danny has morphed into the kind of player we all hope he is.

The scouting reports of most other teams probably haven't been updated to say what a focal point Danny is to our offense quite yet. When other teams start adjusting to a post-JO Pacers a little bit more and STILL can't stop Danny then I'll believe the hype. That will take a bit of time.

The only thing I've deduced this season so far is that Rush and Hibbert at the very least aren't chopped liver, which in and of itself is encouraging.

Raskolnikov

11-12-2008, 08:25 AM

Rookies Rush, Hibbert work to get in synch (http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5700026024) (Caught in the Web)

Foul trouble is a typical problem for rookie big men. The game is quicker and more aggressive at this level and it takes time for a "big guy" to gain control.

Don't expect that to change too dramatically this season. However, we should hope that it will get better as the season moves forward.

On top of being mentally unstable, foul trouble really dampered David Harrison's development. Let's hope Roy figures this one out.

As for Brandon, he just looks like a rookie, yet he can still contribute. I don't buy the lie that either player has reached or has a low ceiling. They both look like fantastic future role players.

P.S., Hibbert really is earning playing time. He looked impressive against Zeke, and how about that Granger guy? I'm hoping that LeBron v. Danny can become midwest rivalry (like Jordan v. Miller).

Except for the part where Miller couldn't really get past Jordan...:zip:

But seriously, I'd love to see that kind of rivalry and fire between the Pacers and...anyone. It would just be really nice if the Pacers could get over the hump someday, like the Colts did in beating the Patriots for XLI.

--pizza

Kemo

11-12-2008, 05:13 PM

sorry guys.. i have been having some major family health issues, and haven't been able to keep this thread updated...

If anyone could PLEASE step up , maybe a mod.. and keep the thread updated for awhile, or maybe delete it and start their own.. I would greatly appreciate it... as I only have very limited time on the internet for quite awhile...

My grandfather (also a big pacers fan) has congestive heart failure.. and only 12% of his heart is functioning.. and I have had to stay over there taking care of him.. to make whatever time he has left as comfortable as possible... He only has dialup.. and it is very slow, and hard to stay on..

Like I said I am sorry I started something I can't keep up with at this time...
I would GREATLY appreciate someone stepping up and helping out here..
As I think the concept of this thread is something that would be great to have for everyone to keep track of our rookies...

once again.. sorry, and thanks guys.

kemo

CableKC

11-12-2008, 05:26 PM

sorry guys.. i have been having some major family health issues, and haven't been able to keep this thread updated...

If anyone could PLEASE step up , maybe a mod.. and keep the thread updated for awhile, or maybe delete it and start their own.. I would greatly appreciate it... as I only have very limited time on the internet for quite awhile...

My grandfather (also a big pacers fan) has congestive heart failure.. and only 12% of his heart is functioning.. and I have had to stay over there taking care of him.. to make whatever time he has left as comfortable as possible... He only has dialup.. and it is very slow, and hard to stay on..

Like I said I am sorry I started something I can't keep up with at this time...
I would GREATLY appreciate someone stepping up and helping out here..
As I think the concept of this thread is something that would be great to have for everyone to keep track of our rookies...

once again.. sorry, and thanks guys.

kemo
No need to apologize. Your family is way more important than some random thread on some internet message board.