The Muthaship:FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

this one. Trayvon Martin is dead. Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed. But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive. Fact are facts. The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial. But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

I think you can say he was legally innocent in this case. I know the finding is not guilty. But, this is a self defense case. There's no doubt he killed Martin. That was undisputed. The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense. Essentially, they said he is innocent of any crime because what he did was justified. Said another way, no crime was committed.

I was watching a livestream of the Oakland rally last night via a protester livestream, when people started throwing things at the cops. The cops reasponded by firing rubber bullets into the crowd, at which point mass pandemonium ensued.

Magorn:The Muthaship: FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

this one. Trayvon Martin is dead. Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed. But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive. Fact are facts. The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial. But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence. If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

Litterbox:Magorn: The Muthaship: FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

this one. Trayvon Martin is dead. Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed. But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive. Fact are facts. The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial. But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

You need to put your emotions aside and look at the physical evidence. If TM had not assaulted GZ, TM would be alive.

And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

The Muthaship:Diogenes: Was OJ "innocent" too? You know the difference.

I think you can say he was legally innocent in this case. I know the finding is not guilty. But, this is a self defense case. There's no doubt he killed Martin. That was undisputed. The jury found him not guilty because he acted in self defense.

The prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not act in self defense Essentially, they said he is innocent Not Guilty of any crime because The prosecution could not prove what he did was Not justified. Said another way, no crime was proven to have been committed.

FTFY. That is all that happened in that courtroom, and As I said I think the Jury was 100% correct in their conclusions based solely on the case presented. I don;t for one second believe Zimmerman's account of what happened that night, but as the only other direct witness to the whole thing is dead, we're left with a lack of evidence. What we do know is tht at best Zimmerman was obscenely reckless on that night. Here was a man who in the words of his own defense was an incompetent wimp when it came to fighting or self defense, who nonetheless went out of his way to initate a sequence of events that lead to a physical confrontation. He also happened to be carrying a gun. Given his inabilityto physically defend himself, that course of action made it nearly inevitable the he'd have to use that gun based on those actions.

God Is My Co-Pirate:And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

C'mon people. Let's see some of the old ultra-violence! It's good television! C'mon! Guys? Ok. Maybe..throw a punch? No? Ok well let's start small. Here. Throw this trash can. Maybe...can you just sneer at a cop maybe? No? Sigh.

The Muthaship:FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

Personally, I would like Mr. Stark to remain in his own universe, where his drunk ass might still be considered an expert, and where innocent black teenagers are the ones fighting crime, rather than committing it/being subjected to it.

Magorn:The Muthaship: FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

this one. Trayvon Martin is dead. Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed. But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive. Fact are facts. The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial. But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

Magorn you summed up the difference perfectly. The jury did its job of discerning whether or not the prosecution proved its case beyond any reasonable doubt. Prosecution, obviously, did not. This verdict does not in any way mean GZ is completely free or absolved of his action that resulted in the gunshot death of the teenage boy.

Magorn:The Muthaship: FTA- "In what universe does it make any sense, could it be considered legal, to stalk, confront, and murder a completely innocent teenager?" Stark asked a vocal, yet peaceful crowd.

I don't know, Mr. Stark. What universe did that happen in?

this one. Trayvon Martin is dead. Trayvon Martin was legally and innocently walking from a store to his home when he was killed. But for George Zimmerman's actions on that night Martin would still be alive. Fact are facts. The Not Guilty verdict was the correct one based on the very poor job the prosecution did at trial. But you are delusional if you think Zimmerman is in any way innocent of the murder of Martin

I think the terrible statutory law coupled with the terrible arguments presented by the Prosecution - Zimmerman walked.

While it's impossible to know what exactly happened - we know that Zimmerman could have easily prevented the escalation. It's pretty obvious that neither Zimmerman nor Martin left looking for a fight so the fight should have been preventable.

Popcorn Johnny:God Is My Co-Pirate: And if GZ hadn't assumed that a black kid walking down the street was a criminal, and hadn't been itching to play the hero in his own head, nothing would have happened.

If Trayvon hadn't been casing houses while high on weed, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon hadn't made it safely to his home and then doubled back to confront Zim, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon hadn't launched a violent assault, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon had stopped his violent assault when told to by John Goode, nothing would have happened.If Trayvon was subject to a little discipline in his life and had been grounded, nothing would have happened.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this is fun!!!

I always enjoy it when we cast aspersions on people we don't know, or haven't met, and then get all uppity on the internet telling other people not to do the same thing. You may be on a different side of the argument PJ, but don't think you aren't equally as detrimental as the people you're so quick to judge.