Why these threads keep showing up, I don't know. If global warming is happening, there's fark all we can do about it within any reasonable time frame (<1,000 years). All I know is that the sea level keeps rising.

How about HURR DURR IT'S NEVER BEEN THIS HOT IN HUMAN HISTORY! SKY IS FALLING!11

He was mocking people who think daily/monthly temperatures and trends (weather) indicate a lack of Global Warming, which it doesn't and wouldn't be a problem if it did.

You are mocking people who think decade-long temperature trends (climate) indicate Global Warming, which it does, and is a problem.

Also, you saying "human history" is significant-- climate change doesn't matter too much to the environment as a whole (things change, natural selection, etc) but people and society depend on the current climate. We don't want to have to abandon permanent coastal settlements, move out of encroaching deserts and adapt society to cope with the new world.

How about HURR DURR IT'S NEVER BEEN THIS HOT IN HUMAN HISTORY! SKY IS FALLING!11

Oh good! All those thousands of "scientists" with all their "studies" and "schooling" and "peer reviews" were getting me worried. Random guy on Internet, you've really made me feel better about the whole thing!

Would you mind if I message you when I have a medical issue, because I'm certain you'll make me feel better than those "doctors" all with their hoity-toity "instruments" and "knowledge" and crap.

Whether or not there's global warming, we have to take hideously expensive, freedom-limiting, intrusive measures in developed nations, and keep developing nations from attaining anything approaching Western lifestyles, just in case it's true. The fact that it feeds our human need to subjugate and rule others is merely a happy byproduct.

sheep snorter:Welcome to the year 2020, where the Earf is back into a little ice-age until abouts 2030. So be sure to stock up on your 100% whale oil heating fuel, and throw another Liberal on the bar-b.

It's always amusing when a liberal accuses other people of fear mongering. What is liberalism anyway but one continuous jeremiad about the doom we face unless we enact their policies and put them in charge?

jjorsett:Whether or not there's global warming, we have to take hideously expensive, freedom-limiting, intrusive measures in developed nations, and keep developing nations from attaining anything approaching Western lifestyles, just in case it's true. The fact that it feeds our human need to subjugate and rule others is merely a happy byproduct.

There is really no debate among scientists. Global warming exists and can be demonstrated.

FTFA: A Swedish study found that the planet was warmer in ancient Roman times and the Middle Ages than today, challenging the mainstream idea that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are the main drivers of global warming.

Why do they let scientifically illiterate people write about science? The idea that warming in the past for other reasons somehow means that warming today cannot be man-made is simply moronic. It is faulty logic and yet it is the core of this article.

It is akin to saying "because there were natural floods in the past then any floods today cannot be man-made". It's pure stupidity but deniers are hanging their hats on it.

jjorsett:It's always amusing when a liberal accuses other people of fear mongering. What is liberalism anyway but one continuous jeremiad about the doom we face unless we enact their policies and put them in charge?

jjorsett:Whether or not there's global warming, we have to take hideously expensive, freedom-limiting, intrusive measures in developed nations, and keep developing nations from attaining anything approaching Western lifestyles, just in case it's true. The fact that it feeds our human need to subjugate and rule others is merely a happy byproduct.

Did you know that that is a strawman you are currently jousting with?

You must by now because I've seen you in enough of these threads and you've been corrected plenty of times. And yet you continue to pull the same old canards out of your ass.

jjorsett:sheep snorter: Welcome to the year 2020, where the Earf is back into a little ice-age until abouts 2030. So be sure to stock up on your 100% whale oil heating fuel, and throw another Liberal on the bar-b.

It's always amusing when a liberal accuses other people of fear mongering. What is liberalism anyway but one continuous jeremiad about the doom we face unless we enact their policies and put them in charge?

Zeppelininthesky:jjorsett: Whether or not there's global warming, we have to take hideously expensive, freedom-limiting, intrusive measures in developed nations, and keep developing nations from attaining anything approaching Western lifestyles, just in case it's true. The fact that it feeds our human need to subjugate and rule others is merely a happy byproduct.

There is really no debate among scientists. Global warming exists and can be demonstrated.

How is it possible for the Earth to be getting warmer (on average) if there are a couple of room-temperature IQ people in this thread denying it that are not getting any smarter?

Farking Canuck:FTFA: A Swedish study found that the planet was warmer in ancient Roman times and the Middle Ages than today, challenging the mainstream idea that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are the main drivers of global warming.

Why do they let scientifically illiterate people write about science? The idea that warming in the past for other reasons somehow means that warming today cannot be man-made is simply moronic. It is faulty logic and yet it is the core of this article.

It is akin to saying "because there were natural floods in the past then any floods today cannot be man-made". It's pure stupidity but deniers are hanging their hats on it.

It can be used to call into question the degree that man is effecting the warming though. That being said this is an APG thread........WE NEED GRAPHS!!!!

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:jjorsett: sheep snorter: Welcome to the year 2020, where the Earf is back into a little ice-age until abouts 2030. So be sure to stock up on your 100% whale oil heating fuel, and throw another Liberal on the bar-b.

It's always amusing when a liberal accuses other people of fear mongering. What is liberalism anyway but one continuous jeremiad about the doom we face unless we enact their policies and put them in charge?

So, this article gets its data from a privately funded concern whose mission is to show the benefits of CO2 gas "enrichment" in our atmosphere? lol. Oh its chairman was formerly employed by the largest coal company in the world. Yeah, ok, DC.

If people actually believed that global warming exists, they should do their part by killing themselves and no longer pumping out all that O2.. Hell, you won't even give up using your air conditioner. It sucks up a lot of power (often created using coal) and the current refrigerants are far worse than the original freon

/People always wan someone else to fix their real and imagined problems.//misses the good ol' days when the ozone hole was going to destroy earth.

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:jjorsett: sheep snorter: Welcome to the year 2020, where the Earf is back into a little ice-age until abouts 2030. So be sure to stock up on your 100% whale oil heating fuel, and throw another Liberal on the bar-b.

It's always amusing when a liberal accuses other people of fear mongering. What is liberalism anyway but one continuous jeremiad about the doom we face unless we enact their policies and put them in charge?

The fact it was warmer in the Earth past is no excuse to stop trying to reduce pollution, use environmentally friendly products and find alternative renewable energy sources because climate isn't the only factor that makes the planet livable, you need clean air to breath, clean water to drink and good soil for crops.

Doktor_Zhivago:Nothing 30 seconds of google couldn't give me. Are these people even trying?

Considering public acceptance of GW has plummeted in the last decade; they're not only trying, they're succeeding.

You have to understand that 99% of people will just accept studies like this at face value without checking whether they were done by actual scientists or industry shills. The Heartland Institute and other groups like them have successfully convinced about 50% of the population that GW is a liberal conspiracy to steal their Hummers or something.

Well, we know shortly before BCE climate got really friendly in the northern mediterranean and southern europe, then things got a bit colder and pushed, IIRC, the Visigoths down into Italy where they sacked Rome. Then things stay miserable for a few centuries before warming up a bit, to the extent that vineyards in Britain were producing enough wine to export. Some crazy people with horned hats even tried to colonize Greenland. At the same time in the American southwest a few culture arose in wetter conditions. Then things got colder again for a few centuries, the colony in Greenland died out, famines across Europe as bad weather took out crops, that whole thing in the American southwest contracted and turned ugly. And then things warmed up again, and vineyards in England once again produce wine.

Time and time in history, warmth helped. But I'm iffy if the CO2 is a direct connection. I'd like to see more nukes, less strip mined coal. Native Americans did a lot of land and forest management through fire.

wildcardjack:Well, we know shortly before BCE climate got really friendly in the northern mediterranean and southern europe, then things got a bit colder and pushed, IIRC, the Visigoths down into Italy where they sacked Rome. Then things stay miserable for a few centuries before warming up a bit, to the extent that vineyards in Britain were producing enough wine to export. Some crazy people with horned hats even tried to colonize Greenland. At the same time in the American southwest a few culture arose in wetter conditions. Then things got colder again for a few centuries, the colony in Greenland died out, famines across Europe as bad weather took out crops, that whole thing in the American southwest contracted and turned ugly. And then things warmed up again, and vineyards in England once again produce wine.

Time and time in history, warmth helped. But I'm iffy if the CO2 is a direct connection. I'd like to see more nukes, less strip mined coal. Native Americans did a lot of land and forest management through fire.

The science is very strong and that CO2 affects temperature is verifiable.

wildcardjack:Well, we know shortly before BCE climate got really friendly in the northern mediterranean and southern europe, then things got a bit colder and pushed, IIRC, the Visigoths down into Italy where they sacked Rome. Then things stay miserable for a few centuries before warming up a bit, to the extent that vineyards in Britain were producing enough wine to export. Some crazy people with horned hats even tried to colonize Greenland. At the same time in the American southwest a few culture arose in wetter conditions. Then things got colder again for a few centuries, the colony in Greenland died out, famines across Europe as bad weather took out crops, that whole thing in the American southwest contracted and turned ugly. And then things warmed up again, and vineyards in England once again produce wine.

Time and time in history, warmth helped. But I'm iffy if the CO2 is a direct connection. I'd like to see more nukes, less strip mined coal. Native Americans did a lot of land and forest management through fire.

Awww, shiat... I clicked a DC link. Now I'm going to be bombed with targeted ads for freeze-dried foods, gold bullion, and Russian/asian brides for the next few weeks.

As for global warming, anyone who doesn't think that releasing an almost incalculable amount of stored carbon into the atmosphere in just the past century isn't going to have an effect on the global climate, they are probably the same idiots who insist that evolution is just a "theory". More intelligent-and pragmatic-detractors take that position because any possible solution to the problem hits them straight in the wallet.

Web site is owned/sponsored/controlled or what ever by a group called "Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change" at least partially funded by Exxonmobile. it's a 501(c)(3) org so that should also raise red flags. etc..etc. more noise to sow confusion.

Lee451:If people actually believed that global warming exists, they should do their part by killing themselves and no longer pumping out all that O2.. Hell, you won't even give up using your air conditioner. It sucks up a lot of power (often created using coal) and the current refrigerants are far worse than the original freon

/People always wan someone else to fix their real and imagined problems.//misses the good ol' days when the ozone hole was going to destroy earth.

I would also like to note that they only examined trees from the Swedish region of the Scandes mountain range. Evidence of warmer periods from a very small region in no way negates or even challenges the global temperature record for that time period. It was already known that certain regions of Europe were warmer while the rest of the world was cooler.

That's just the website pushing it. The study was actually published in a peer review journal, Boreas. It has an impact factor of about 2 versus Nature having one of about 31. Basically, it's a relatively obscure little journal that very few people routinely cite.

Ah yes, the classic fallacy "it was warmer two thousand years in the past, so global warming doesn't exist". Also the fallacy "it was warmer in this one place in the world so it was warmer everywhere".

This article, while moderately interesting from a historical point of view, has zero bearing one way or the other on whether the world is warming today, and should not be framed as such.

It's like if you looked at a small suburban rich peoples' enclave 30 years ago and used it to argue that poverty doesn't exist in the USA today.

Zafler:I would also like to note that they only examined trees from the Swedish region of the Scandes mountain range. Evidence of warmer periods from a very small region in no way negates or even challenges the global temperature record for that time period. It was already known that certain regions of Europe were warmer while the rest of the world was cooler.