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"To me, the quote sounds like one of those crappy "proofs" for god's existence.
1. Atheists exists.
2. Without God, there can't be any atheists.
3. God exists.
But yeah, all silliness aside, I see what you mean. And you know…"

"It's funny how at the end, when Kirk and Ray get owned, they just keep on saying what they've already said without answering the questions. And yet, they still honestly believe the bullshit they're spreading, hi-fucking-larious."

"Gabriel: True. I think that morals are mutable, changing with society's mores and as the people in the society learn more and grow more. Ethical constraints are more lasting, so you might say that 'killing without cause is wrong' is…"

"Dave G.: But then we still have a problem. To us, it would be considered murder, because to us, sacrifice isn't a valid reason. But to them, it wouldn't be, because sacrifice was a valid reason (to them). So then we come back to the…"

"An interesting take on the morals of murder that I read somewhere (I wish I could recall where). If you define murder as 'killing someone without a valid reason', then in just about every society, murder is seen as immoral. The differences…"

"I'd have to agree that there are no moral absolutes (not being well-versed in meta-ethics myself) because it's impossible to separate the act from the context. If I learned one thing over the years of studying literature, it's that…"

"People steal, and kill too, doesn't mean they think it's moral. I'd imagine every social moral is disregarded on a regular basis. Not to mention, half the people in charge of the oil industry probably don't believe in global…"

"In regard to the oil tycoon... Ninja said "detrimental to mankind and consider it moral" - so I'm not sure if the mining and distribution of oil quite meets it. Detrimental to mankind, yes; but it seems hard to attribute a moral…"

"Ninja; you're asking the wrong question. Of course you can, oil tycoons do it all the time. Surely they know that the more oil they produce, the more that is used, the more environmental pollution that results. It's not really something…"

"Nice post Gabriel. You make a good case for no moral absolutes. Do you think there are universal morals? Or would you classify this as too similar to absolutes.
From what I have read, and how I see it, 'cultural acceptance' dictates…"

"> "After all, in any situation, can one knowingly and intentionally do something detrimental to mankind and consider it moral?"
I think your idea makes for a good 'theory argument' Ninja; but where do you draw the line in a…"

Quotes

All we ever do is talkWe like to ride but we never walkWe make it so damn easy we get boredWhy can't anybody see what's good for you is bad for me?I can't take your sillyworld,I can't take your sillyworld anymore."-Sillyworld by Stone Sour

"If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say that the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little."-George Carlin

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."-George Carlin

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."-George Carlin

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."-Oscar Wilde

"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you."-Oscar Wilde

"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."-Friedrich Nietzsche

"Whoever said that opinions should always be valued is an idiot. Not all opinion are created equally, and most are made on the assumption that the person knows everything, or even the most basic of information, to be known on the subject."-Me

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Atheist

About Me:

I'm pretty young, so I'm used to getting the attitude where someone older than me shrugs me off as an immature, uneducated little brat who's just trying to be deep. Well, I'm not an immature, uneducated little brat who's just trying to be deep. I swear, it happens by itself!

In all seriousness though, there's not much to say about myself that is remarkable. I was never into religion, even when I went to a Catholic school for 3rd and 4th grades. I think my first irreligious thought was that God probably looked nothing like what we oculd imagine, least of all human. From there, I became less and less "Catholic." First I thought myself Agnostic, but then I "took the plunge" and became Atheist (though, I prefer the term Agnostic Atheist, cause I don't believe but I don't make any positive claims about what we can't prove, just what is more likely.)

I'm interested in a lot of things (I'm not obsessive about any one thing).

And that's it. Well, there's more, but I guess you can just figure that stuff out on your own.

Why are you here?

Found this website, got interested, made an account.

IT'S THAT EASY!

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Catholic

Gabriel Garcia's Blog

In my last (and first) blog post, I brought up the problem that atheists usually have with religious people (that of, "atheists have no morals"). Emma Coomber brought something up that I agree with and have been thinking for a while now.

There are no absolute morals.

I think I can safely assume that most (if not all) of us here would agree that morals are created by society and nothing else. So really, is it such a leap to assume that there are no absolute… Continue

Something came up today during lunch while I was talking with a Satanist friend of mine.

It's common for religious people to claim that atheists have no morals as we have no god to derive them from and have no god to fear in the deviation from our morals. But then if you ask them what they would do if god wasn't there to punish them, there are times when they admit that they would act without caring about others or about the consequences of their actions.