(10-31-2014 06:59 AM)Count Iblis Wrote: The window looks like it was either shot with a shotgun or was smashed with a blunt instrument.

interesting you should say that. I agree.

looks like shotgun damage to me & that hole (however unlikely it is that they stepped through it) is big enough for them to do so, contrary to what the hoaxers would want you to believe.

& if this was a hoax, did they have someone go in & shoot up the school and cars in the lot?

Looks like there were some better pics shown in that video than were present in the AG report. Might be bullet holes, not from a shotgun. I would need to see some trajectory analysis to to conclude anything further.

Edit: I rewatched it and looks like there may have been one set of holes made by a shotgun. The damage to the cushion might not even be from a bullet because I don't see any damage to the wood though the trajectory looks like the bullet should have hit the wood. If there was a shotgun then that's a problem for the official story.

(10-31-2014 06:44 AM)Winnson Wrote: Only because it was such a clusterfuck.

False flags are not hoaxes I don't think boss. Can we discriminate between the two?

absolutely. that's kinda my point. they are not the same thing.

FF? crazy, terrible, but not out of the realm of possibility.
hoax? unprecedented & highly illogical imo.

in regards to the BB (I'm trying to stay on topic) someone could have easily helped the bros. with the planning/execution of it (just like the first attempt on the WTC). instead, hoaxers want you to believe that they went to great lengths to fake a bombing out in the open & employed people to act injured, EMTS to help them, hospitals to treat them, etc. why not just do it? like I said, never been a problem in the past.

FF usually involves a black op of some sort & history has already proven (& documented) a propensity for something like this.

& all the family & friends of people who knew the 'actors' involved. that is A LOT of people & highly unlikely.

I'm not even sure that a FF took place, maybe lanza did lose it, but all the evidence that has been drowned out by hoax garbage (911 calls, police chatter, physical evidence) points to us not being told what exactly happened that day regardless. did he act alone? was he coerced? was he even there? well, no sense in investigating that b/c it never actually happened

'no planes theory' all over again imo.

By all means, nobody is stopping you from investigating and researching the theories you are proposing.

The hoaxers aren't stopping you.

If anything, it's your obsession with what the hoaxers are saying and doing that may be impeding your own research.

(10-31-2014 08:41 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote: By all means, nobody is stopping you from investigating and researching the theories you are proposing.

The hoaxers aren't stopping you.

If anything, it's your obsession with what the hoaxers are saying and doing that may be impeding your own research.

lol. I'm talking on a much bigger scale. people like wolfgang halbig telling everyone to “leave it up to him” or “stick to his 16 questions” or pleading for people to "not bother reading the report" & trying to spearhead a ridiculous investigation. or fetzer putting out ridiculous "smoking guns". obvious disinfo & all talk of additional suspects, motive, execution, etc drowned out because "that stuff doesn't matter because nothing happened; IT WAS ALL FAKED" - wolf.

I will admit to being more intrigued by hoaxers' motive than lanza's lately. I still feel that no one can possibly be as dumb (or gullible) as they appear to be considering all their 'education' and/or 'experience'.

(10-31-2014 08:41 PM)THE_DEAN Wrote: By all means, nobody is stopping you from investigating and researching the theories you are proposing.

The hoaxers aren't stopping you.

If anything, it's your obsession with what the hoaxers are saying and doing that may be impeding your own research.

lol. I'm talking on a much bigger scale. people like wolfgang halbig telling everyone to “leave it up to him” or “stick to his 16 questions” or pleading for people to "not bother reading the report" & trying to spearhead a ridiculous investigation. or fetzer putting out ridiculous "smoking guns". obvious disinfo & all talk of additional suspects, motive, execution, etc drowned out because "that stuff doesn't matter because nothing happened; IT WAS ALL FAKED" - wolf.

I will admit to being more intrigued by hoaxers' motive than lanza's lately. I still feel that no one can possibly be as dumb (or gullible) as they appear to be considering all their 'education' and/or 'experience'.

food for thought from SCG ('93 WTC all over again??):

What I like best about this guy is his reasonable call to action. He doesn't just babble. He talks about what you can do.

just as I predicted, I provided a pic & (surprise!!) it was labeled a photoshop. doesn't look shopped to me.

for arguments sake, how about you prove it IS a shop? I'm open to alter my stance in light of real proof.

& as for other pics on race day, there are a few more that place him @ the scene of the blast moments beforehand & what appears to be him standing amongst the crowd... consistent with what reportedly happened that day.

of course, I fully expect you to reply that you cannot see his legs so it must all be a hoax amIright? btw, this was all in response to the popular theory that jeff bauman is actually nick vogt who had already lost his legs & is confined to a wheelchair.

forgetting vogt for a minute, the only other explanation would be that bauman was legless before the blast. with something so illogical (& unprecedented) as it all being faked, I would hope you have an opinion, or idea, on how they would have pulled that off. either a guy w/no legs was wheeled out in a HEAVILY populated, public setting beforehand w/an ELABORATE make up/prosthetic job to make him look like a victim w/shredded legs from the blast (& no one out of the hundreds of potential witnesses reported seeing it) or a guy with no legs was put in place & someone managed to apply the makeup & prosthetics in just a few, brief seconds after the blast (do you have any idea how long a good effects job like that takes?) & again, no one reported seeing it. obviously either one of these scenarios would involve using vogt or a "crisis actor" w/o legs, yet not one person who knows, or has had previous contact, w/jeff bauman (or nick vogt lol) has come forward to claim it was all faked? now multiply that with however many people claim to have been injured that day? were they all previously w/o limbs & given special effect type prosthetics in a matter of seconds?

that little girl^^ (in the green) who lost part of her leg sure looks like she has two fully functioning legs moments before the blast imo.

for the last time, I am amazed @ how quick people scream hoax w/no real evidence to back it up. it couldn't possibly have been a real bomb with real injuries to real people (which history has repeatedly proven to be the case) right? all of which WOULDN'T require hundreds, if not thousands, of people to be in on it, someone applying a hollywood style makeup job in the matter of a few brief seconds to numerous people & fake EMTS, doctors, PD and an entire hospital or two to keep their silence? & that would be just the tip of the iceberg of such an elaborate hoax being played out imo.

I meant what I said in that I am more than happy to sit back and let you guys try & expose this hoax. I've already been through all this before w/SH & convinced you guys have to be trolling @ this point regarding it. & honestly, why I should care? call it an epiphany. either way, I’m open to any new evidence you may provide in proving this was all faked, but I won't go digging through victim's facebooks to find & post pics proving that they all had legs or limbs beforehand.