Dark Lord, my fellow Lords and Ladies, apprentices and peons, allow me to take you back to 50,000 BBY when the Celestials ruled the cosmos. Their servants were the Kwa, the Gree, and the Killiks. The Celestials were four, the Father of Balance, the Son of Darkness, the Daughter of Light, and the Mother of Chaos, though the latter was imprisoned at the time. Whenever species encountered them, they joined their cause or hid, including the Columni and Sharu, who both retreated to their homeworlds. Circa 45,000 BBY, the Kwa elevated a little, almost minor species known as the Rakata, and suddenly realised their mistake, resulting in the Kwa collecting Force Users across the galaxy and settling them on Tython. Those Force Users eventually become first the Jed'aii Order, and then the Jedi themselves after the Force Wars. The Rakata founded an Infinite Empire which clashed with the Celestials' servants.

Circa 30,000 BBY these facts occurred.

1. The Killiks attacked and were repulsed from Korriban.
2. The Killiks then moved from Alderaan on nearby Alsakan.
3. On Alsakan, a Core World, a 'Killik Sith Lord' or a Sith Joiner, settled.
4. The Killiks were removed from known space by the Celestials in response, and the Killik Sith Lord removed to Sarafur, a world near Endor - far far faraway.
5. By the end of this affair, the Rakata were the sole galactic super power.

Thereafter, sleeper ships from the Core made it down what would be the Perlemian Trade Route to what would become the Tion Cluster.

Circa 28,000 BBY the Rakata found the Sith, and were also repulsed, but not before a Sith Kingdom was erected in the Outer Rim, which includes worlds as local as what would become Sith Space, and also as far as Malachor and Tund.

Circa 25,200 BBY the Rakata are destroyed by civil war, uprisings and plague, which strips them of the Force. From this point onwards, humans in the Tion Cluster forge kingdoms, and eventually an Empire.

At it's height, the Empire of Xim the Despot ruled to the fringes of Hutt Space, but also included Korriban. The ruler of the Empire, Xim, adopted the title Daritha, the Rakatan word which is believed to be the root of 'Darth', meaning to be (more or less) 'Beyond Death.' This Empire, based from Desevro, met the Hutts in battle and crumbled. It existed as separate kingdoms again until the Republic found it, in 24,000 BBY, at which point Desevro reunified the Empire and attacked, launching a century long war.

Equally, Alsakan proved a thorn in the Republic's side, seceding with its colonies along the Perlemian Trade Route on sixteen different occasions between 17,000 BBY and 8,000 BBY, and a seventeeth time in 3,017 BBY. For sometimes centuries at a time, Alsakan and its colonies were their own defined state, at war with Coruscant.

I would posit thus.

1. The Sith left a presence on Alsakan which was re-discovered by humanity circa 17,000 BBY.
2. These self-same Sith influenced the colony ships that passed Alsakan and headed to the Tion, laying the seeds of an Empire.
3. Those self-same Sith, now entrenched on Desevro, which refused to join the Republic for millennia, rallied the Tion to the cause of various Sith causes throughout history.
4. Those self-same Sith, having influenced Alsakan, launched war after war against the Republic, slowing its growth tremendously.

Between Korriban, Alsakan and Desevro, we have a triangle of worlds with several historical connections and a long standing opposition to the Republic and Jedi in all its forms.

I dub this Sith Order the 'First Sith', as an Order which fought long before any Dark Jedi had joined the Sith, though I merrily posit that the Bogan laid the seeds of this Order. I would posit that the original plan was to undo firstly the Celestials, and then the Rakata, before moving on the galaxy en masse, which the Hutts initially foiled and then Jedi and Republic outright by 23,900 BBY.

I would even go as far as to posit that these Sith were directly influenced by the Son, the self-same Son who was, with his kin, to meet with Xendor, the man who launched the First Great Schism in 24,500 BBY. And so we see the last gasp of the 'First Sith' in 2,000 BBY, when the Father, Son and Daughter leave the mortal realm for Mortis... I would even posit that Son had a direct hand in the creation of Darth Ruin, being as the Ancient, Old, True and First Sith had all collapsed by the time Darth Ruin appeared - there was no Sith Order to speak of.

I am also the opinion that Contispex was a First Sith who was exiled from the Order, and thus Alsakan turned against the Republic after two centuries of the Contispex regime, which at the time was launching genocidal, anti-alien crusades which would have led inevitably to Korriban... was Contispex intending to erase his Sith kin in an act of ultimate betrayal? Did the First Sith have no choice but to turn against a regime which was its most successful creation? What irony is there in that Alsakan required Jedi help, with the Duros, Herglics, Caamasi and Hutts, to overthrow the Contispex Republic in the 7th (and successful) Alsakan Conflict? But that is conjecture of conjecture, and there is no historical evidence to support it, beyond the question - why didn't Alsakan support Contispex - a regime after their own heart (bar the anti-alien bias)?

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

To expand a bit on this theory, I believe the title of 'Daritha' entering the Sith language as 'Darth' could have come from Xim's regime. One of the writers for SWTOR mentioned in 2011 that the title of 'Darth' was an ancient Sith word adopted for use as a title by the Sith Empire. It couldn't have come from Adas's kingdom, which survived the Rakata, since he and his successors until Hakagram Graush used the title of King.

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

To expand a bit on this theory, I believe the title of 'Daritha' entering the Sith language as 'Darth' could have come from Xim's regime. One of the writers for SWTOR mentioned in 2011 that the title of 'Darth' was an ancient Sith word adopted for use as a title by the Sith Empire. It couldn't have come from Adas's kingdom, which survived the Rakata, since he and his successors until Hakagram Graush used the title of King.

So true! I wonder when Korriban got the name Korriban. In case you didn't know,
@Hansa, Xim called Korriban "Pesegam".

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

"Once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace"

The Sith Empires have never really been bigger or more powerful than the Republic as far as I know- so having the last Sith Ruler Of The Galaxy be Republic would be an interesting resolution to the problem.

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

"Once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace"

The Sith Empires have never really been bigger or more powerful than the Republic as far as I know- so having the last Sith Ruler Of The Galaxy be Republic would be an interesting resolution to the problem.

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

"Once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace"

The Sith Empires have never really been bigger or more powerful than the Republic as far as I know- so having the last Sith Ruler Of The Galaxy be Republic would be an interesting resolution to the problem.

I eventually settled that the First Sith did in-fact infiltrate the Republic via the Contispex movement, and then fell out, thus the Alsakan Conflict. It's about as fanon as fanon goes, mind you.

The existence of the Pius Dea explains why the Jedi felt they had the legitimacy to remove Palpatine from office. It's also the first known origin of what would become High Human Culture. It's not "random", it's a large part of the tapestry that's the Expanded Universe that has been recently revealed and makes perfect sense. I can understand tying things to the Grand Plan after Ruusan, but tying everything that's ever happened to the Sith does nothing but turning the galaxy into a small neighborhood.

The existence of the Pius Dea explains why the Jedi felt they had the legitimacy to remove Palpatine from office. It's also the first known origin of what would become High Human Culture. It's not "random", it's a large part of the tapestry that's the Expanded Universe that has been recently revealed and makes perfect sense. I can understand tying things to the Grand Plan after Ruusan, but tying everything that's ever happened to the Sith does nothing but turning the galaxy into a small neighborhood.

The Pius Dea period is very interesting... I think everything leading up to the conflict (and the aftermath) is very realistic.
In the real world, similar situations have happened and will happen again in the future.
Did you know the Pius Dea period was linked with the Order of the Ffib?

I think it's definitely plausible. These are good points. I'm intrigued by the idea that the Contispex era was Sith influenced -- one could interpret the Republic, if Constipex I was indeed a Sith, as the first Galactic Empire; making Palpatine the second to rise to the office of Supreme Chancellor as a Sith.

To expand a bit on this theory, I believe the title of 'Daritha' entering the Sith language as 'Darth' could have come from Xim's regime. One of the writers for SWTOR mentioned in 2011 that the title of 'Darth' was an ancient Sith word adopted for use as a title by the Sith Empire. It couldn't have come from Adas's kingdom, which survived the Rakata, since he and his successors until Hakagram Graush used the title of King.

So true! I wonder when Korriban got the name Korriban. In case you didn't know,
@Hansa, Xim called Korriban "Pesegam".

According to Kripke, the reference of our use of a name is determined by a chain of language users that goes back to the one person that gave firstly N the name "N".
Every language user takes over the intentions of the previous language user and tries to use "N" to refer to N.

When people conquer a place, they often give these places a name, sometimes changing them. That's how I believe it came to be known as Pesegam during Xim's reign. Originally Korriban, conquered by Xim -- renamed Pesegam until his downfall, then the Sith changed the place back to it's original name.

Well, until we hear someone refer to Korriban as Korriban in the Dawn of the Jedi comics... we'll not know for a while. Hope they mention that at some point, since there are Sith in the Je'daii ranks.

Well, until we hear someone refer to Korriban as Korriban in the Dawn of the Jedi comics... we'll not know for a while. Hope they mention that at some point, since there are Sith in the Je'daii ranks.

Ostrander has inboxed me that he hasn't thought about Korriban.

Aww... hope he gives it a nod down the line. Call it fan service.

For me, Korriban is the ultimate Star Wars hell. A cold, dry yet majestic place that is pure evil, where even the planet seems to have turned morality on it's head. Always gets a grin out of me when I see it -- or even hear about it in dialogue.

Well, until we hear someone refer to Korriban as Korriban in the Dawn of the Jedi comics... we'll not know for a while. Hope they mention that at some point, since there are Sith in the Je'daii ranks.

Ostrander has inboxed me that he hasn't thought about Korriban.

Aww... hope he gives it a nod down the line. Call it fan service.

For me, Korriban is the ultimate Star Wars hell. A cold, dry yet majestic place that is pure evil, where even the planet seems to have turned morality on it's head. Always gets a grin out of me when I see it -- or even hear about it in dialogue.

I couldn't agree more. I've noticed that Korriban is a Sith factory. Whoever goes there leaves as a Sith.
@Hansa, what do think would happen if a non-Force-sensitive went to Korriban?

Well, until we hear someone refer to Korriban as Korriban in the Dawn of the Jedi comics... we'll not know for a while. Hope they mention that at some point, since there are Sith in the Je'daii ranks.

Ostrander has inboxed me that he hasn't thought about Korriban.

Aww... hope he gives it a nod down the line. Call it fan service.

For me, Korriban is the ultimate Star Wars hell. A cold, dry yet majestic place that is pure evil, where even the planet seems to have turned morality on it's head. Always gets a grin out of me when I see it -- or even hear about it in dialogue.

I couldn't agree more. I've noticed that Korriban is a Sith factory. Whoever goes there leaves as a Sith.

The spirits are seductive and promise great things to those they deem worthy... and greedy enough, I guess. Dromund Kaas seems to work that way, too. Kyle Katarn became a dark sider after he went there (if I remember correctly), and Darth Revan and Malak became Dark Lords after being there. And of course, there were academies established on the world at least 4 times.

During the Great and Cold Wars, only Sith, the Imperial Guard and a special division of the Imperial Army were allowed on it's surface. I wonder, why was it considered such a holy ground by that Empire? Was it because it was a cemetary, or because the Sith species apparently had it's homeworld there?