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Re: The walking dead

Some thoughts:

The confession of Lori's affair with Rick was too easy for my taste. Rick more or less said I can understand that you thought I was dead and it happened and Lori slowly said yeah. I think they were carrying on beforehand. I'm thinking back to the first episode when Rick and Shane were in the police car and Rick was saying Lori was acting like a moody bitch, etc. and I'm thinking it was because she was already fucking Shane. Shane was exciting, a badass, etc where as Rick was just a laid back family man.

I also think they were fast to want to teach the kid to use a gun when they were so against Andrea using one even though they thought she was suicidal.

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This week's episode was fantastic. Glenn is becoming more interesting a character, Shane had his hot scene with Andrea, Andrea is becoming a much stronger character, Rick found out about Lori's run in with Shane, I like how Dale is trying to protect Andrea... When Shane threatened him... so good.

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Ep last night was so good! Thank God they finally cleared that barn out! Nice to see such an amazing end to such a bad story arc as well (Sophia). It broke my heart to see the mother's reaction to her little girl coming out of that barn.

Hershel is gonna be mad pissed.

I can't wait to see what happens between Rick and Shane in the next episode.

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I hate Rick more and more when I think about it. He is so stupid and lame. Sophia would have lived if it wasnt for his dumb ass and his bonehead idea. Who the fuck gives a child directions like follow the sun and use north and south and shit. Adults wouldnt even get those directions and plus the position of the sun changes. He could have easily took her with him. He wasnt that outta breath. Please let him and Shane have a deathmatch over his skank wife that kills them all.

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Originally Posted by thatgirl

Oh and wtf @ Lori telling Shane that if he's the father the kid still won't be his. Girl. What.

Well keep in mind there's no Maury show and no courts to have a custody battle, so assuming that she ends up having this baby they may never know who the real father is. Although, I have a pretty strong feeling it's Shane.

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I think Herschel put the girl in the barn (Probanly not but this is my first fan-boy story moment)

Think about it, how else could she of gotten in there non infected? The way Glenn did/How the people feed them? She would of literally had to jump in herself seeing all the Walkers and wanted to die

Plus, she is on a farm and instead of going to the house she goes to the Barn? Obviously seeing it is locked the fuck down she then continues to try and get in?
Whatever, I think it would be nice to have Herschel explain that to everyone after all this time looking for her (In my world where he did it)

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I think Herschel put the girl in the barn (Probanly not but this is my first fan-boy story moment)

Think about it, how else could she of gotten in there non infected? The way Glenn did/How the people feed them? She would of literally had to jump in herself seeing all the Walkers and wanted to die

Plus, she is on a farm and instead of going to the house she goes to the Barn? Obviously seeing it is locked the fuck down she then continues to try and get in?
Whatever, I think it would be nice to have Herschel explain that to everyone after all this time looking for her (In my world where he did it)

No no, honey.

She was turned somewhere out while in hiding. Otis found her and "wrangled" her back to the barn. That's why the group never knew she was in that barn the whole time. With Otis dead, nobody knew.

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OMG! The last few minutes were everything! I just watched it from my DVR. Even though I spoiled it for myself (thanks to this thread XD), I still got chills! Very emotional scene! February can't come soon enough!

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they aren't to the point yet, but as a stronger and armed group they could just kill the old man and take over his farm- it's not like the police are gonna come or anything- i think in a real apocalyptic world Shane does have the right idea- it's now kill or be killed-but staying on the farm would be boring tv. so here's hoping they move on in Feb to somewhere new.

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Originally Posted by lolalola70

they aren't to the point yet, but as a stronger and armed group they could just kill the old man and take over his farm- it's not like the police are gonna come or anything- i think in a real apocalyptic world Shane does have the right idea- it's now kill or be killed-but staying on the farm would be boring tv. so here's hoping they move on in Feb to somewhere new.

I've been thinking the exact same thing for a while now. Unfortunately, Shane is the only one in the group who would have the balls to do it, though.

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Well I can't stand Shane and the sooner someone kicks his ass, the sooner he will leave and get bitten, lol. I think wifey will have a miscarriage because sooner or later Shane and Rick or gonna get into over the baby and since Shane was so badass, why didn't she shoot the little girl. I think it was something significant to having Rick do it, just not sure what and sooner or later the truth will come out about him killing Otis. One would think the old preacher would notice the faces of decay and think if they are healed, they are gonna be fucked up looking and also, Shane would have to basically turn on everyone to take over the farm and Glenn is not about to let them mess with his new booty. It would be nice if they took over and Hershel snapped and burned the house down, then they would have to leave. Also, why was everyone upset over the walkers being in the barn? They have been there the whole time they been there and no one had known and no one got bitten.

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That was good! It took a while to get to the point of what happened to the girl, but it's a relief at the same time. I'm glad Hershel can see now that the walkers are fucking monsters and have to be killed.

As big of an asshole as Shane is he was right to kill the walkers lol. I would have done pretty much the same thing. Hershel cant tell anybody what to do anymore. There is nobody to enforce the law anymore, jeez lol. That farm is gonna be overrun I think and Hershel is gonna die with his dumb ass no weapons policy.

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I really couldn't buy that Hershel (to see his wife) or anyone else (feeding fractured chickens) would not have known all the zombies by name or by identifying features. Certainly Sophia was described aloud so that everyone on that farm knew what she looked like. Young girl wearing rainbow tshirt. Come on. Presumably she would be shorter than the rest of the pack! Hershel knew. His family knew. Or the show is not being intellectually honest.

Dont get me wrong. I love the show. That last scene with Sophia especially. But on not knowing, no way.

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Shane brings the action, and if survival were an individual activity he might be best suited to make it alone longer than any of the others.

But getting a group to survive and succeed takes more than boldness and being the first to act. Does anyone think he could really lead a group to do well over the long term? I don't. He's too hot headed and insecure.

Regarding Rick being so okay with learning about Shane and Lori, I never thought he was actually *okay* with it. Rick is a character who plays things low-key because he wants to do the right thing. I always understood him to be suppressing this little bit of information, which will almost certainly erupt between him and Shane at a later point.

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and since Shane was so badass, why didn't she shoot the little girl. I think it was something significant to having Rick do it, just not sure what

I think the point was that Shane is willing to take bold action when it's easy because it's emotionally satisfying, but Rick is the one willing to step up and take the painful choices on himself.

Consider Shane's impulsive act of aiming him gun at Rick because Shane wanted Lori. In addition to being a creepy-ass thing to do, it was stupid from a survival perspective, because Rick added one more strong member to the "tribe", and one with really valuable skills. But Shane considered shooting him in the head so Shane could get laid.

And then consider Rick's response to learning that Shane was sleeping with Lori - although his full reaction is yet to be seen, can you see Rick considering taking Shane out like a sniper? I can't. Because Rick is always going to try to navigate the difficult issues.

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Originally Posted by thatgirl

I just found it odd that he was terrorizing Lori for thinking of aborting the child for perfectly understandable, well-thought out reasons but was super tolerant of her going off and sleeping with his best friend 2 seconds after they'd left him for dead.

Perhaps Rick feels indebted to Shane for saving his kid's life (& protecting his family while he was in the hospital) so he's holding back for now but at some point he needs to stand up to Shane.

I think Rick knew about Shane, and had processed some of it already. In addition, Lori thought he was dead - as far as Rick knows, neither Rick nor Lori did anything wrong.

But his rant at Lori was about her not sharing the information with him, which is arguably wrong.

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

My take on his reaction is that he realizes in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, there are more pressing issues.

Here are some questions I have. How many bites does it take before a zombie will stop eating? For Sophia it was one unless she ran away after being bitten. Do zombies eat until the victim is dead and lifeless?

I didn't see season one. Was the outbreak ever explained and why were all those people dead on the highway?

You're not very familiar with zombies are you??

To answer your questions, a zombie NEVER stops eating. That's pretty much the only basic instinct they have is to feed. If the victim can't run away then a zombie will definitely eat until the victim is dead.

And no, the outbreak was never explained. The zombie apocalypse just happened out of nowhere. It's actually been done before in a couple of zombie movies (I've watched pretty much every one of them I can find).

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

But that's the basis of my question. Once the heart stops beating does the zombie stop eating?

You say it never stops but I don't think zombies eat fresh corpses do they? Isn't that why Shane had to wound Otis and not kill him outright or why the chickens had to be thrown into the barn alive??? Or maybe it has to do with movement only, which is how Rick was able to survive in the hospital in a coma??? Hmmm, then again Daryl was knocked out and a zombie started gnawing on his foot.

I'm so confused.

I believe the zombies will eat a fresh kill until its devoured, if not prevented from doing so.

Rick seemed to have survived by luck as much as anything else, probably because the walkers just didn't make it into his room, and there was no noise to draw their attention.

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

But that's the basis of my question. Once the heart stops beating does the zombie stop eating?

You say it never stops but I don't think zombies eat fresh corpses do they? Isn't that why Shane had to wound Otis and not kill him outright or why the chickens had to be thrown into the barn alive??? Or maybe it has to do with movement only, which is how Rick was able to survive in the hospital in a coma??? Hmmm, then again Daryl was knocked out and a zombie started gnawing on his foot.

I'm so confused.

Hmm, that's a good point. But my reasoning is that zombies do in fact want their meat fresh. Not a preference, otherwise you would see them eating dead corpses and then what? Do they stop eating them once they come back as zombies? The general rule of thumb is that they don't attack one another.

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

Here's what I wonder about, in both the comic book and the series: The reluctance of people to take out their loved ones who have become walkers. They always seem to approach the recently "converted" as if their loved one is still in there.

I'd like to see at least a couple of people treat the conversion as if their loved one's body is being defiled by being a walker, and gladly end it.

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

Originally Posted by MercuryJones

They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

There you go. Perfect.

The dude wanted to end it himself, but walkers ate his feet when he was dying/recently died.

Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

This damn show. I have too many questions for them to take a hiatus until February!!!!

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They may have eaten his feet soon after he hanged himself while he was still relatively fresh.

My take is that they'll eat human meat up until it becomes a walker - living is best, recently deceased will do.

Here's what I wonder about, in both the comic book and the series: The reluctance of people to take out their loved ones who have become walkers. They always seem to approach the recently "converted" as if their loved one is still in there.

I'd like to see at least a couple of people treat the conversion as if their loved one's body is being defiled by being a walker, and gladly end it.

Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

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Originally Posted by mike1491

Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

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and since Shane was so badass, why didn't she shoot the little girl. I think it was something significant to having Rick do it, just not sure what.

Originally Posted by MercuryJones

I think the point was that Shane is willing to take bold action when it's easy because it's emotionally satisfying, but Rick is the one willing to step up and take the painful choices on himself.

I somewhat agree with MercuryJones, but I think the scene best supports your argument when you refer to the first episode of the second season where Rick tells Sophia to head back to the group. Because he didn't tell her to just stay put and hide real well, her venturing off by herself was thought to be Rick's fault. And he could've killed Sophia, as a walker, by taking that responsibility of endangering her life. or something.

Originally Posted by Saybrooke

I was at the gym once, and this woman was on the elliptical next to me, making motorcycle noises.

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Originally Posted by Phillyurban8

Okay, what about the guy who hanged himself in the tree and walkers came along and ate his feet and legs turning him into a walker? Do we assume he botched his hanging and he was still alive? Possible but not likely.

This damn show. I have too many questions for them to take a hiatus until February!!!!

rather walker was captured and hanged.
sadly no new episodes till february.

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Originally Posted by mike1491

Well you have to understand that it's their LOVED ONES. When you love someone of course it's not gonna be easy to put a bullet into their head. Naturally they wanna believe that it's still the person they knew even though it isn't. If you saw a family member of yours walking towards you as a zombie, you would be at least a little bit hesitant to kill them.

I understand it's the body of their LOVED ONES - that's why I used the term.

But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

If my partner or sister or child died and turned into a flesh eating monster I'd have even LESS problem destroying it because my loved one's body is basically being defiled by this thing.

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But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

Well, they don't really think that. What's-her-name who had sex with Glenn still attached names to the people in the barn. And as someone mentioned earlier Herschel believed that someone was working on a cure.

Also, I think Rick said that Herschel's farm was pretty secluded, so they might not realize how dangerous and how dead the walkers really are.

Originally Posted by Saybrooke

I was at the gym once, and this woman was on the elliptical next to me, making motorcycle noises.

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I understand it's the body of their LOVED ONES - that's why I used the term.

But they know their loved one is gone, and the body is basically their loved one's body possessed by a monster. (I don't mean literally possessed though the effect is the same.)

If my partner or sister or child died and turned into a flesh eating monster I'd have even LESS problem destroying it because my loved one's body is basically being defiled by this thing.

Well I'm sure the vast majority of people in the world don't view it that way. It's easy to THINK you would have no problem with it, but it's different when your actually in that situation. Hershel didn't know that his loved ones were gone, which is why he was keeping them in the barn. Even though they were a danger to him and everyone else on his land, he believed they were just "sick" and could be helped. Denial is part of the grieving process, so it's not hard to believe that someone would want to believe that a walker is still the person they love, even though deep down they know that person in gone.