It's amazing how delusional people can be. If you cheat the game in any way, you are cheating.

If you use the dupe glitch in Final Fantasy 4 to obtain 99 Excaliburs, you are cheating. If you use the gold dupe glitch in Diablo, you are cheating. If you use the JP glitch in Final Fantasy Tactics, you're cheating. If you discover your secret shiny value and use that to guarantee shiny hatches, you are cheating. Same with abusing RNG to achieve the results you want in any game.

It's cheating whether you use third party software or not. What is wrong with most of you?

That being said, cheat away. I don't feel like it personally affects me at all. Just don't claim you are not cheating when you clearly are.

If you really think this is cheating, grab a dictionary and learn the bloody language.

Instacheck is totally cheating.

It allows you to check the IVs/Nature/Ability/Moves of the Pokemon being traded to you so that you can avoid being scammed out of your Pokemon. It's giving you an advantage over the people trying to cheat you!

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Wait...

Because that's the only reason people use it. Wait.

Don't completely ignore the main use it gets in this arguement. Cheating software is cheating software. Like how you didn't qoute MY post though, with the very mention of such programs being included in the definition.---3DS Friend Code:0044 4173 2062IGN: Is Abram in Japanese.....Friend Safari: Steel - Klang/Magneton/Klefki

IV checkers are actually not using any info you don't have and after using them you quickly learn to discern IV's themselves. If for instance a stat gains nothing while levelling up it is a very low IV, SpP and SpA have to rise by one each turn while every other stat has to rise by 2 with HP sometimes having to rise by 3

They do actually, things like base stats, the amount of EVs and what type of EVs a pokemon gives when defeated have never been officially released. These 2 things, especially the base stats are required for an IV calculator to even function.

The information an IV calculator needs to work was obtained by hacking the game, so going by the definition of "cheating" others in this topic are using then using an IV calculator is also "cheating".

In reality though an IV calculator and instacheck are not cheating, they are a way to help obtain things in the game easier using information got through data mining without the need to hack the game yourself.

Exactly, they didn't need to hack the game. THEMSELVES. It's still technically cheating. And you know what? I'm still going to continue to use them.---3DS Friend Code:0044 4173 2062IGN: Is Abram in Japanese.....Friend Safari: Steel - Klang/Magneton/Klefki

From what I gather no matter what people will defend the not blatant cheating and other people will say that everything is cheating. Makes sense.---GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~

Don't completely ignore the main use it gets in this arguement. Cheating software is cheating software. Like how you didn't qoute MY post though, with the very mention of such programs being included in the definition.

From what I gather no matter what people will defend the not blatant cheating and other people will say that everything is cheating. Makes sense.

everything you've provided is cheating. from hacking to instacheck to IV calculators, you're looking at and using data that should not be available to you normally to alter your game to your benefit. that is, by definition, cheating, and trying to defend it just because you have some silly vendetta against people artificially creating pokemon that are visually and statistically indistinguishable from pokemon you've bred and trained yourself is a fallacy---4639-9811-6534 -Pokemon X/Y Friend Code. PM if you add. Trainer name: MariiFriend Safari: Grumpig, Sigilyph, Girafarig