"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
--Thomas Jefferson

"Egalitarianism" from Standard Encyclopedia of PhilosophyEgalitarianism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)[/URL]

How is this relevant to this thread?

This doesn't belong on this thread!

If you'd like to answer this thread, it's fine, but please say something relevant!

Re-read the opening post!

Stupid anti's

If you don't have anything relevant to say on this thread, it means, you don't have anything to say on this thread, which means its time to shut the old face!

I thank you sincerely for your letter of the 19th. instant and for the Almanac it contained. no body wishes more than I do to see such proofs as you exhibit, that nature has given to our black brethren, talents equal to those of the other colours of men, & that the appearance of a want of them is owing merely to the degraded condition of their existence both in Africa & America. I can add with truth that no body wishes more ardently to see a good system commenced for raising the condition both of their body & mind to what it ought to be, as fast as the imbecillity of their present existence, and other circumstance which cannot be neglected, will admit. I have taken the liberty of sending your almanac to Monsieur de Condorcet, Secretary of the Academy of sciences at Paris, and member of the Philanthropic society because I considered it as a document to which your whole colour had a right for their justification against the doubts which have been entertained of them. I am with great esteem, Sir,Your most obedt. humble servt.
Th. Jefferson Thomas Jefferson's Letter to Benjamin Banneker

Which statement of Jefferson's is embodied in the Law of the Land?"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Nice try though.

Black inventors....... Not relevant to this thread! Re-read the opening post!

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The original US Constitution uses the term "PERSONS" for all the inhabitants of the new nation: "Free persons, including those bound to a term of service for a number of years, Indians not taxed, and Other Persons."--Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3, US Constitution

At the time of the ratification of the Constitution, there were Free blacks, black indentured servants and black slaves in the "other persons" category.

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens."-- President George Washington, August, 1790

"Definition of persons according to the Constitution, blah blah blah...slavery..blat..."

Not relevant to this thread!Re-read the opening post!

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I think you might have missed that Jefferson wrote:

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"I can add with truth that no body wishes more ardently to see a good system commenced for raising the condition both of their body & mind to what it ought to be, as fast as the imbecillity of their present existence, and other circumstance which cannot be neglected, will admit."Jefferson is speaking to his own wishes there.

Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence became a driving force behind the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments by the next generation of white American lawmakers.

"Jefferson wrote......blah blah blah"

Again.... Not relevant to this thread!Re-read the opening post!

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There is a difference between a statute and the Constitution. Native born citizens didn't need to be naturalized.

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The first black person elected to a state legislature was in 1836 in Vemont.

Alexander Lucius Twilight (September 26, 1795 – June 19, 1857), born free in Vermont, was the first black person known to have earned a bachelor's degree from an American college or university upon graduating Middlebury College in 1823. An educator, minister and politician, he was licensed as a Congregational preacher, and worked in ministry and education all his career. In 1829 Twilight became principal of the Orleans County Grammar School. There he designed and built Athenian Hall, the first granite public building in the state. In 1836 he was the first African American elected to public office as a state legislator, serving in the Vermont General Assembly.

Twilight was a natural born citizen and needed no naturalization as he was not an immigrant.

Statutes, natives, 1836 and Alexander Twilight......

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The word "white" does not appear in the Constitution. The word "Black" does not appear in the Constitution, nor does the word "Negro. " It was left to the states and the Courts to interpret who those "Persons" referenced in Article I referred to. The only racial/ethnic group specifically identified in the Constitution is "Indians."

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The statement "most US slaves at that time were likely White" is belied by the fact of the first US Census of 1790 which was done two years after the ratification of the Constitution and showed that there were 757,208 black persons in the United States, or 19% of the total US population. Of that number 697,681 were slaves and 59,257 were Free.No one has ever suggested that there were more than 600,000 white slaves in America.

Another question regarding this issue of-course is where will you run to?
Our anti-racists fled directly to....ahem...... White countries with White governments, (yes, they did), but where will you go once your country isn't White anymore?
There may be no more White countries to go to once it starts effecting you personally, and not just some "deserving" 2 year old rape victim you read about in the morning paper whilst you eat your rusks!

When our "anti-racists" had their tails tucked between their legs, at least they had the opportunity to be in transit at the time! :

You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it has no impact on the reality of my life. I don't know any "black gay communists." I'm a black, straight, Democrat.
You are an interesting curiousity piece though.
Your words might have more intellectual impact with all of your inherent genetic endowments if you spelled "sense" correctly.

I notice alot of people that try to use spelling as proof of intelligence or a way to get one up on the debate. I wish people could just have a debate and state their argument instead of trying to discredit someone by pointing out misspelled words. It seems weak to me

I notice alot of people that try to use spelling as proof of intelligence or a way to get one up on the debate. I wish people could just have a debate and state their argument instead of trying to discredit someone by pointing out misspelled words. It seems weak to me

Not only that, but all eight of his posts have exactly zero relevance to the subject matter of this thread!
None what-so-ever!
It's like there is this total disconnect between what this thread is about and what he is rambling on about.

In a surprising turn of events, it also turns out that up to this point, he has the most posts in this thread.

Trotis, that´s a little unfair on people like myself who supported the far right and campaigned for separation. I voted no in the referendum, but when the ANC won the 94 elections, I packed our bags and moved to Germany. I simply refused to live with, and pay taxes to, thieving kaffirs.
So, as you can see, it wasn´t only the lefties who packed up and left, but also a lot of whites who wouldn´t bend their knee to the new black government.

My dear old Dad always said, " Son, if you are going to live in a democracy, make sure you belong to the majority".

I know it wasn't only lefties that left, and I am aware that some racially aware people, "no" voters etc. left too.
I can assure you that this wasn't aimed at all expats, not by a long shot.
Perhaps I should have put a disclaimer in.
My ex-boss lives in Australia now, and he was no liberal either.

That being said, I stand by what I say about how the liberals and "yes" voters and the like, so quickly changed their tune when the country changed hands.

People like you or my ex-boss, have much more of a right to emigrate IMHO, than the trendy's who voted and campaigned us into the sh*t, and then skipped.
What is even worse is that these trendy's that left, spout their liberal garbage about SA overseas too, safely from over there, but yet a the same time, will never set foot in this "multicultural paradise" they helped create, again.

This is about the anti-racists who left, due to the results of their actions, yet remain anti-racists because it is only others who have to live in the mess they created.

You, being racially aware, shouldn't need to lie in the bed that the liberals created, but the liberals bloody well should, yet many aren't.

I was speaking about people like this stupid woman (clip below) who sounds like she speaks through her nose, for example, who currently lives somewhere in the US, though I see her country of residence has been removed, not long after I sent a comment which didn't get approved.

This posh woman with her snobby accent who had heaven knows how many maids and gardeners in those days when it was trendy, voted us into the sh*t when it was trendy, left the country when it was trendy, and now spouts her gibberish because it is trendy, would not be singing this tune if she were to lie in the bed she no doubt helped make.

This is the kind of tune that can only be sung at a safe distance.
Just listening to this dumb posh cow makes my blood boil, as I'm sure it would any other reasonable South African.
There are a lot of people like this woman floating around overseas, and they know who they are.
This woman knows who and what she is, and why she left, and the truth behind everything, which why comments need to be approved, since she doesn't want any light shone upon the drivel she speaks.
Shine a little light on the issue, and we all can see this posh, pretentious, materialistic, lying, selfish Satan for what it really is, a traitor with White children's blood on her hands.

One thing I have always wondered about those that feel extra guilty, what starts it? I believe the white guilt is just an outlet for their personal guilt about something else. Maybe something they have done in their life, not to another non white even, just to anyone. The guilt has to come from someplace inside, not just the media from the outside. Maybe a lo of those people suffering from white guilt did something they feel bad about in their life, and its easier for them to share the blame with an entire race than take responsibility for their actions.

One thing I have always wondered about those that feel extra guilty, what starts it? I believe the white guilt is just an outlet for their personal guilt about something else. Maybe something they have done in their life, not to another non white even, just to anyone. The guilt has to come from someplace inside, not just the media from the outside. Maybe a lo of those people suffering from white guilt did something they feel bad about in their life, and its easier for them to share the blame with an entire race than take responsibility for their actions.

Ya thats true but it is everything about our society starting in grade school that has been instilled from this radical left wing. Leftist, Marxist and Zionist Jews pretty much control all of our influences from school teachings to Hollywood and the media. When its all you see you start to believe it. People like us just refuse to except whats pushed on us, we are truth seekers and the last prideful white people. If we go then everything takes its course.

Not only will he not accept any link between race and politics but he also seems to think that all this race stuff which is overrated in his opinion will somehow blow over in time and he will then return home.

Ah, yes!
The whole "transitional phase" thing, still "healing from the horrors from apartheid"
I know that one... If you want to throw a spanner in the works, ask him how long exactly is that going to take.
Ask him if it will take as long as the "transitional phase" where the blacks over there are still "healing from the horrors of slavery" which has already taken 150 years and is still pushing full steam ahead with no end in sight quite yet!

Strangely, there was no mention of this "transitional phase" between the end of Apartheid and "inter-racial brotherhood" before 1994, then it was "all our problems will be solved as soon as Apartheid ends, you'll see".

Well, 18 years later, and we are all still waiting to "see".

This "healing process" in South Africa is not only slow, it's actually going backwards!