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08-20-2009 01:03 PM

robkardel

Luger Voyager

All boats are a comprise in design. For instance, a Catalina 22 does its design role very well. In fact, better than nearly all others for its size and cost and that is the reason that it is so popular. You would not, of course, take it off-shore for any serious sailing. The Luger Voyager likewise had a design goal. Where can you find a 30' sailing boat that has 6'4" headroom, legal width to haul yourself in any state, that you can easily load and unload from your own trailer, and one which you can launch,raise the mast and be off in about an hour to an hour and a half. You can use it for coastal cruising, take it to the Bahamas, or do limited off shore cruising. Having owned one for 5 years now I can assure you it will do all those things and do them very safely. You are correct it is not a Cape George 36, nor was it designed to compete with that type vessel. Luger Voyagers are very capable boats and for the price and convenience you will be hard pressed to match its capability and versatility. Try loading your Cape George (of any size) or a Catalina 30, or other similiar sized vessel on your trailer, transport it across 4 states and launch and sail in the Sea of Cortez, all in the span of 2days.

08-17-2009 08:04 PM

mitiempo

Regardless of the designer of the Cape George 36, this thread is supposed to be about the Luger 30 which may be an ok weekender, but it's no Cape George by any stretch. I agree with Jeff as there are too many other choices in this market, many of them better than the Luger which was designed as a price beater to start with.
Brian

08-17-2009 08:03 PM

mitiempo

Regardless of the designer of the Cape George 36, this thread is supposed to be about the Luger 30 which may be an ok weedender, but it's no Cape George by any stretch. I agree with Jeff as there are too many other choices in this market, many of them better than the Luger which was designed as a price beater to start with.
Brian

08-17-2009 07:58 PM

mitiempo

Yachtworld shows 5 Cape George 36 for sale. 2 designer uncredited, 1 Cecil Lange, 1 Atkins/Lange and 1 William Atkins. My neighbor thinks his Cape George 36 was designed by Atkins. Cape George Yachts credits Atkins as inspiration and in their construction pdf do mention Monk and 3 other designers on the last page, at least one I believe employed by Cape George as he also took the photos in the pdf, with no specific design credited to any of them. The 36 is virtually a dead ringer for Atkins Tally-Ho Major design and while I believe Monk might have engineered it for fibreglass it is an Atkins design in my and others opinion.
Brian

08-17-2009 04:29 PM

robkardel

Point of correction. The Cape George 38 was a John Atkins design, as were the Alajuela 38, Ingrid 38, and Westsail 32. However,the Cape George 36 is a Edward Monk & Associates design, modified from the Cape George 38. You can confirm this by calling the Cape George Marine Works which builds both the Cape George 36 and 38, as well as others. There number is 360-385-3412 Robert

08-17-2009 12:10 PM

mitiempo

Cape George 36 was designed by John Atkins, not Ed Monk. Modified by Cecil Lange, owner of Cape George.
Brian

08-17-2009 10:28 AM

robkardel

Luger Voyager

Couple of other thoughts on the 30' Luger Voyager which I own and sail on a regular basis. The capsize ratio for the Voyager is 1.67 which is the same as for a Cape Dory 30'. This is a very good number and compares well with off-shore sailboats. It was disigned by Edward Monk and Associates which also designed such boats as the legendary Cape George 36, the Tradewinds 47, and the Monterey Clipper.

08-15-2009 06:10 PM

robkardel

Lead Ballast

Yes, since most of the Luger Voyagers had the swing keel option, 2500 lbs were in the fixed part of the keel (3 foot draft) and additional 800 lbs were in the swing portion of the keel which extends to, I believe, 6 foot.

With the swing keel down they are very stable boats in a blow.

08-15-2009 12:23 PM

windship

What is used for ballast? Is it lead?

08-15-2009 12:17 PM

robkardel

1989 30 foot Luger Voyager

Just a note concerning the comments about a 30' Luger Voyager. I have owned an Alberg 22, Cape Dory 22, Cape Dory Typhoon, Cape Dory Typhoon Senior and a Grampian 26. I currently own and sail a Luger Voyager. The comments that she has a low ballast ratio is false - voyager have 3300 lbs of lead and a 7000 lb displacement. This makes for a 47% ballast to displacement ratio. The capsize ratio for the boat is 1.67 which is below most boats, including a lot of offshore cruisers. With a double reefed mainsail and a storm sail up front she is bullet proof - I have sailed often in 25 to 35 mph winds and it isn't even a challenge. You do have to be careful of who built the interiors since most were home built.

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