Don't you just hate it when people have decided to have children and then just complain about it? I am so sick of people having kids and then complaining all the time about how they can't go out and get drunk all the fucking time.That's what happens when you decide to be a PARENT!! Idiot's!!

Children and their needs are meant to come before everything, even the parents selfish urge to go out and get pissed.

I am not pointing this towards anyone here. I have just heard of and known some pretty shitty parents. I don't get to do all the things I once could now that I am a Mother, but I accept thats what parenthood is.

I do think all parents need a break, that doesn't mean you should want to go out and get drunk and sleep around all the time. Ewww, poor kids.

Why can't people do things to improve their families? I am a stay at home Mum and I am studying from home, full time.I am doing this to better my life.

Some people should not be allowed to have children, especially when they don't act like they want them at all.I feel so sorry for some kids out there. Some don't even know who their dads are, nor do the mums.

Does anyone see parents like this? It seems like there are alot out there.

And trust me I know I am not perfect although my parenting is a shit load better than the people I am talking about.

We visited the most amazing park today at Belmont,right next to the Belmont Oasis swimming center.It has a huge volcano thingy that spurts out cool steam and a great flying fox for the older kiddies...and yes I was tempted to give it a try.Heaps of fun to be had and also has a bbq.Also a big pond further on to feed the duckies.So if anyone is interested it would be great.I'm pretty much free after next weekend

Ok since the last picnic was such a success, I was thinking of suggesting we do something else soon?

I was thinking of some things I'd love to do to get to know you all more, here are my ideas:

* swimming - Liam suggests this would be a bad idea as most of us have negative body images and would not want to be in bathers together. I don't know, thought I'd throw it out there anyway. The kids - even the older ones like Stefans' and Frans' would like it as much as the babies.

* playgym - although this is really only for the under 5's

* another picnic - maybe make it somewhere else instead? for more variety. seems to work for everyone. could even hold it in someone's backyard or local park

* playgroupy thing - just get together at someone's house, swap houses so not always one person, kids can play at different places and we can get to know each other more by seeing each others' homes? I would do it anyway, not sure how comfortable anyone else would be holding a playgroupy thing?

* drinking/sleepover! - man I love this idea. I can't get over it. All the kids camp out in the living room of someone's house, again I'd offer mine in a snap but am not sure who else would; and the adults drink while the kids pass out watching a movie...and then the adults all pass out too or otherwise just don't drink too much so you can go home and pick up your kid late morning or something?

Well all those who wish to celebrate this All Hallows Eve with their children are welcome to come to my house at 5pm Monday night (tomorrow). Bring or wear a costume and let the kids dress up too, or they can choose from a few things we have around the place. Trick or treating will begin the night; and some lolly eating will end it! We'll be carving a big pumpkin all day tomorrow so feel free to join that too!

Just wondering everyones opinions on getting your child's name tattooed somewhere on yourself?Personally I hate it when people get names of boyfriends/girlfriends tatooed (no offense anyone that does). But children is different right? Cause you know your child is forever. I am asking this as I am considering getting a Lilly Rose tattoo, duh :P.

Lets have a picnic. I'm open to locations and times, Hyde Park seems fairly central. Lets dress as we feel comfortable, bring our kids and some munchies and enjoy being alternative Perth parents together :)Who's up for it?

I have decided to make this community because I feel I would like to have people like I ( an alternative parent) to talk to. As I have so little in common with most parents of the "norm" that share no intrests of mine.

I also feel that I am not the only one, and would like to see the outcome of having a community like this.I have thought about changing myself to fit into more of a "normal" looking parent. But I have decided against it as I do not think that is fair. I can not change what music I like and the fashion I think is best. However now that I am a parent I feel somewhat left out as I don't get along with any of my old friends. However I do not want friends that are so far into the "scene". I want parents, REAL parents that love their kids and don't go out and get smashed all the time. I think parents should have friends too. Being a parent should not mean you have no life anymore.So to anyone who joins, thank you!