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Your argument that the iPHONE is to much geared towards entertainment and is more like a XBOX and will hinder people from being productive is unfounded.

...because we all know how much work you can get done using the special features of an XBox.

Originally Posted by llarson

Again most of the iPHONE haters who say it can not be used as a business tool make this statement based on their own work environment.

How profound - people in business judge the iPhones utility as a business phone based on its features, find it lacking for the business environment, and are suddenly tagged as iPhone haters. I don't have much use for a NASCAR racer in my daily commute - is that why I hate NASCAR?

...because we all know how much work you can get done using the special features of an XBox.

How profound - people in business judge the iPhones utility as a business phone based on its features, find it lacking for the business environment, and are suddenly tagged as iPhone haters. I don't have much use for a NASCAR racer in my daily commute - is that why I hate NASCAR?

Kupe, if you think the way you do business is the ONLY way you should really see some one for help.

Because Kupe says the iPHONE is unusable as a business tool for him the rest of us should accept it and move on.

Kupe, we understand it won't fit your needs as a business professional BUT that does not mean it won't work well for others and even MAYBE make them more productive.

And hating NASCAR is your problem and in fact explains a lot of your anger.

If you had to guess, how long would you estimate a 2nd Gen iPhone with 3G capability?

I'd say 6-9 months because I'm sure they will get some negative press and user feedback that the web is crippled if away from Wifi.

If I were dying to get an iPhone right now, I would sit on my hands and make sure I didn't somehow, just to see what happens between now and Christmas. How will the iPhone be in the wild? What will the plans be like? What will the user experience be like? Read the iPhone forums and see what the complaints are. See how other vendors respond with their own products. See what Palm can come up with. If by Christmas all doubts are crushed then but it. Let others be the guinea pigs and learn from their fortune/misfortune.

I'd say 6-9 months because I'm sure they will get some negative press and user feedback that the web is crippled if away from Wifi.

If I were dying to get an iPhone right now, I would sit on my hands and make sure I didn't somehow, just to see what happens between now and Christmas. How will the iPhone be in the wild? What will the plans be like? What will the user experience be like? Read the iPhone forums and see what the complaints are. See how other vendors respond with their own products. See what Palm can come up with. If by Christmas all doubts are crushed then but it. Let others be the guinea pigs and learn from their fortune/misfortune.

I'm not going to let my wife read your post :o

Seriously, I know what you're saying. If I get one, I could return it. That is, if I could convince myself to give it up if it is a solid, quality device. It's just the fear of a fast 2Gen Xmas release....where is the fortune teller when you need her??

I'd say 6-9 months because I'm sure they will get some negative press and user feedback that the web is crippled if away from Wifi.

If I were dying to get an iPhone right now, I would sit on my hands and make sure I didn't somehow, just to see what happens between now and Christmas. How will the iPhone be in the wild? What will the plans be like? What will the user experience be like? Read the iPhone forums and see what the complaints are. See how other vendors respond with their own products. See what Palm can come up with. If by Christmas all doubts are crushed then but it. Let others be the guinea pigs and learn from their fortune/misfortune.

If you had to guess, how long would you estimate a 2nd Gen iPhone with 3G capability?

I'd hope and have some confidence that the iPhone released in Europe would have 3G. This is based on the argument 'there ain't much EDGE so it better have'. Jobs said Europe Q4 2007 and I would guess that US would get any updated version at the same time.

OTOH, HTC just released the Touch, a device aimed at much the same market segment and which lacks 3G, so perhaps there's an argument to be had that 3G isn't de rigueur for these high-end consumer devices, even in Europe.

I'd hope and have some confidence that the iPhone released in Europe would have 3G. This is based on the argument 'there ain't much EDGE so it better have'. Jobs said Europe Q4 2007 and I would guess that US would get any updated version at the same time.

OTOH, HTC just released the Touch, a device aimed at much the same market segment and which lacks 3G, so perhaps there's an argument to be had that 3G isn't de rigueur for these high-end consumer devices, even in Europe.

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I think they are both just cheaping out a bit (or perhaps, development lead time is so long it wasn't practical) but I doubt that given even my lowly Blackjack (which was de rigueur six months ago) has 3G.