I heard that rumour CB, my local camera dealer was convinced that the 20D would be replaced by a full frame cost reduced 5D. Lets just keep it going :)
I just hope that Sony and Nikon going to 10mp triggers a cost reduced full frame camera.

I heard that rumour CB, my local camera dealer was convinced that the 20D would be replaced by a full frame cost reduced 5D. Lets just keep it going

I just hope that Sony and Nikon going to 10mp triggers a cost reduced full frame camera.

Canon probably has a devious long-term plan to "force" those locked into its system to go FF, whether they want to or not. There may be more profit in it, especially if additional lenses have to be purchased.
Sony has not brought out any reduced image-circle lenses: not even the brand new Carl Zeiss ones. That could be another pointer to the future.

Canon probably has a devious long-term plan to "force" those locked into its system to go FF, whether they want to or not. There may be more profit in it, especially if additional lenses have to be purchased.

Sony has not brought out any reduced image-circle lenses: not even the brand new Carl Zeiss ones. That could be another pointer to the future.

There are rumours abound that there might be a lower cost full frame camera coming soon from Canon - probably called the 50D. Think this camera would be in addition to the 5D rather than replace it.
On one hand it makes alot of sense - utilise their lead in full frame sensors, and it is easy to imagine the 5D sensor in a plastic body with the old 7point AF system, no spot meter and a few other minor features removed (My guess completely) going for about £1000 (again a complete guess).
However, if Canon do this, they will have to be VERY careful with the lenses, particularly the wide angle lenses.
One can imagine the mother of all backlashes as people strap their budget lenses to a full frame digital camera, then blow the image up to 100% on the computer....
Mattw

There are rumours abound that there might be a lower cost full frame camera coming soon from Canon - probably called the 50D. Think this camera would be in addition to the 5D rather than replace it.

On one hand it makes alot of sense - utilise their lead in full frame sensors, and it is easy to imagine the 5D sensor in a plastic body with the old 7point AF system, no spot meter and a few other minor features removed (My guess completely) going for about £1000 (again a complete guess).

However, if Canon do this, they will have to be VERY careful with the lenses, particularly the wide angle lenses.
One can imagine the mother of all backlashes as people strap their budget lenses to a full frame digital camera, then blow the image up to 100% on the computer....

As I indicated it would force people to buy new lenses as well = more profit for Canon.
Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presumably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. It would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.

As I indicated it would force people to buy new lenses as well = more profit for Canon.

Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presumably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. It would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.

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As I indicated it would force people to buy new lenses as well = more profit for Canon.
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Yes... But - it is one thing to sell a camera at £4500 or even £1600, and then say to them 'Well to get the best out of the camera you need to spend money on decent glass', but as you reduce the body price, you will increasingly find customers unwilling to pay for L quaility glass.
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Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presu
mably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. I would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.
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My guess is that Canon will let the 30D run it's natural life (2 years or so), and then see how the market looks.
Mattw

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As I indicated it would force people to buy new lenses as well = more profit for Canon.

Yes... But - it is one thing to sell a camera at £4500 or even £1600, and then say to them 'Well to get the best out of the camera you need to spend money on decent glass', but as you reduce the body price, you will increasingly find customers unwilling to pay for L quaility glass.

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Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presu
mably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. I would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.

My guess is that Canon will let the 30D run it's natural life (2 years or so), and then see how the market looks.

stop talking about such tempting possibilities - my marriage won't sustain any further camera purchasing - more addictive than cigarettes
but if full frame 30D comes out - does anyone want a well loved 20D and EF-s lens?!

stop talking about such tempting possibilities - my marriage won't sustain any further camera purchasing - more addictive than cigarettes

but if full frame 30D comes out - does anyone want a well loved 20D and EF-s lens?!

[quote]Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presumably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. It would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.[/quote]
I for one prefer the new naming system. Having all these suffixes (1Ds MkII...) is confusing. They've got at least another six cameras (40d, 50d) etc before they run out of numbers, at which time they can come up with a new system of nomenclature.
If they bring out a £1000+ successor to both the 30D and the 5D, there will be a huge gap between the entry-level SLR at ~£400-500 and the "next better" option, which I can't see them doing.
Just my two cents.

Quote:Assuming the 5D is retained, the 50D would presumably be the 30D's replacement - and the 20D's "true" successor. The 30D would never have been a new model in the old days of Canon. It would have been called the 20Dn or something like that.

I for one prefer the new naming system. Having all these suffixes (1Ds MkII...) is confusing. They've got at least another six cameras (40d, 50d) etc before they run out of numbers, at which time they can come up with a new system of nomenclature.

If they bring out a £1000+ successor to both the 30D and the 5D, there will be a huge gap between the entry-level SLR at ~£400-500 and the "next better" option, which I can't see them doing.

My guess is that there is a market for a full frame camera at about the same price as a D200, So just over £1,000 to upset Nikon, then a crop camera like the D30 at under £700, and an entry level camera 350D at about £400. It is a big enough gap and enough of a step in capability to justify the models and keep sales.

My guess is that there is a market for a full frame camera at about the same price as a D200, So just over £1,000 to upset Nikon, then a crop camera like the D30 at under £700, and an entry level camera 350D at about £400. It is a big enough gap and enough of a step in capability to justify the models and keep sales.

We've got to remember that the bulk of the DSLR market is at entry level: Canon are churning out around 130,000 units of the 350D........... a month!
Upgrading to a higher spec body is extra profit for Canon. But upgrade + at least one new lens, means even more profit.
Even those who have entirely 'full frame lenses' on their crop DSLRs may find there's an uncomfortable gap in their line up once they have to go FF. Again more potential profit for Canon. You can see a certain method in this madness!
Also Canon executives would be less than human if they didn't want to infuriate competitors like Nikon (and now Sony) by offering something these firms have no equivalent of, and at a normalish DSLR price.

We've got to remember that the bulk of the DSLR market is at entry level: Canon are churning out around 130,000 units of the 350D........... a month!

Upgrading to a higher spec body is extra profit for Canon. But upgrade + at least one new lens, means even more profit.

Even those who have entirely 'full frame lenses' on their crop DSLRs may find there's an uncomfortable gap in their line up once they have to go FF. Again more potential profit for Canon. You can see a certain method in this madness!

Also Canon executives would be less than human if they didn't want to infuriate competitors like Nikon (and now Sony) by offering something these firms have no equivalent of, and at a normalish DSLR price.

as the Eos 1d mk 2 n is getting scarce in some places ie Jessops cant source them, I would think a new one a eos 1dmk 3 is possibly on the market. I know hte minute I buy a mk11 n then a new one will be announced and the old one wil lcome down rapidly till they clear the stocks , plus the new one will have loads more pixels ,faster focusing and 12 frames per second plus will work in virtual darkness at speed in execess of 3200 asa with no grain

as the Eos 1d mk 2 n is getting scarce in some places ie Jessops cant source them, I would think a new one a eos 1dmk 3 is possibly on the market. I know hte minute I buy a mk11 n then a new one will be announced and the old one wil lcome down rapidly till they clear the stocks , plus the new one will have loads more pixels ,faster focusing and 12 frames per second plus will work in virtual darkness at speed in execess of 3200 asa with no grain

Now an upgraded 30D type camera with a 1.3 crop would be good, the wide angle would be wide enough and the crop would still be ok for longer lenses.
Why would the new ID mk 3 have loads more pixels Paul? I am not disagreeing with you I just would have thought that most of the people the eos 1D mk 3 would be aimed at would not require a large pixel count and would prefer to have smaller files.

Now an upgraded 30D type camera with a 1.3 crop would be good, the wide angle would be wide enough and the crop would still be ok for longer lenses.

Why would the new ID mk 3 have loads more pixels Paul? I am not disagreeing with you I just would have thought that most of the people the eos 1D mk 3 would be aimed at would not require a large pixel count and would prefer to have smaller files.