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I have been asked in recent times to speak up against terrorism acts at the hands of Kurdish based PKK party. So now I'm going to formaly write a post condemning their acts.

I as a Kurd would categorise PKK with IRA and similar groups. They may be called freedom fighters but in reality they are terrorists. They see it OK to kill non-cambatents for the good of their own people. Killing the innocent is NEVER OK.

But I would also want to mension that most Kurds do not support them. The Kurds are fed up with war. Many blame PKK for the lose of their sons and daughters as the Turks do.

The number of PKK members are declining by day. PKK is mainly a Turkey based group and are not active in other regions of kurdistan and even in Turkey many former PKK supporters and members hide their past identity as its no longer seen in a positive way.

While I absolutely support the right to Kurdish self-determination, the PKK's tactics of specifically targeting and killing innocent civilians makes them terrorists, plain and simple. Attacking military or even political targets is one thing, going after civilian women and children is another. How could the PKK not know they are hurting the Kurdish cause.

While I must plead ignorance of history, it seems that the Jews and Kurds were in simular situations at the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Both promised a small piece of land to call their own, both proposals met with hostility by the Arab world.

As a Jew, I can't help feel our needs were addressed while the Kurds got screwed. I feel kind of guilty.

bernarda, there was no such thing as Arab "Palestinians" at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. In the most ironic of all ironies, when a news reports used the term "Palestinian" it was to describe the Jews.

"While Palestinian organizations make headlines today by threatening the US and blowing up busses full of civilians, Kurdish organizations do not indulge in these tactics. Perhaps that is why Kurdistan will never be the darling cause of liberals and radicals worldwide, from the parliaments of Europe to the college campuses of America. "

"In their struggle against occupation, during which they have rejected many compromise proposals of varying fairness, they have used immoral tactics that include targeting civilians worldwide to promote their cause. These are terrorist tactics. The Kurds do not demand complete self-determination, but merely demand the right to live as Kurds. Even today the use of Kurdish language in Turkish-occupied Kurdistan is restricted."

"The Kurds of today are the Jews of decades and centuries ago. They are divided by different foreign oppressors. Some of them are forgetting their own language. Many of them are in exile. The Kurds, like the Jews, strive to live in peace with their neighbors and establish a democratic nation-state of their own. The Kurds, like the Jews, are also surrounded by “neighbors” who may hate each other but can call agree on one thing –a common cause in opposing any and all aspirations of the Jewish and Kurdish nations. "

Jordan, I should also add that not all PKK members support terrorist acts either (the terrorists are in the minority), so I don't believe that simply being a member of PKK would authomatically make one a terrorist.

Also there is a difference between Islamo-facist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, and groups like IRA and PKK.

The former two, 1. do not recognise the right of existance of their adversories 2. Their aim is simply to destroy their adverseries rather than to help their own people.

The later two, 1. accept the right of their adversories for existance 2. and are not driven by the aim of destroying their adversaries but to do what is best for their own people.

So IF they did not resort to violence against civilians the former still would not have LEGITIMATE CAUSES but the later group would.

bernarda,The demographic of almost all nations has changed throughout history and I as a Kurd do not lay claim to lands that once was more Kurdish than now and I can tell you it is alot of land that I'm talking about here.

Ok, I should make a distinction here.

1. The KurdsThey are secular. The Kurds have in their anthem, “my faith and religion is Kurd and Kurdistan”. They are not religious and understand gratitude and so when they see the only countries to ever help them are the US and Israel, they do not say, thanks but Fuck you, the way the Indonesian Muslims responded to $1 Billion pledge from Australian PM to help reconstruct the quake-stricken Muslims in Indonesia.

The Houses that the Kurds lived in, in Kirkuk still exist and people who owned those houses still exist. Anfal happened in the last 15 years, it is not ancient history. If you take my book, I have a right to get it back, but my descendents don't.

2. The Jews,The Jews that migrated had no right to Israel. They bought their properties, just like what I would have to do in Australia if I want to own a land. If I have a right to buy a land in Australia that I MIGRATED to, then I’m not sure why the Jews didn’t have a right to buy land in Israel. It is not a question of having a right to the land, rather it is a question of identity and security.

Firstly, the Jews have a heritage and history that connects them to Israel. So it is not surprising that they migrated back. The religious sites unlike individually owned lands is the only thing that the Jews own for as long as the Jews exist. Because sacred places are owned collectively as a group and as long as the owners (the Jews) are alive, they have a claim to those sites.If the Jews take over Mecca and build another building on the place were Kaba is now, do you think the Jews would have a right to that building?

Secondly, the Jews have been targeted as a group throughout centuries no different to what happened to the Kurds, so they need a state of their own in order to survive and have control over their own destiny. The only answer would be Israel where they already have a strong population and are historically connected to. Otherwise, like the Kurds, they would be under constant threat with Genocide always a possibility.

3. The Palestinians,They Palestinians today do not have a right to Israeli land simply because (as I said before), no one has a right to what their ancestors owned.

"They Palestinians today do not have a right to Israeli land simply because (as I said before), no one has a right to what their ancestors owned. "

and yet in the same post you claim the Jews have a right to the land as "Firstly, the Jews have a heritage and history that connects them to Israel"

sorry but that is called being a bigot. by granting one group rights because of a "history that connects" and denying the validity of the other group's history that connects (you know the fact that Palestinians actually lived there for hundreds of years) you are exhibiting the classic traits of a bigot

Israel was not a sovereign nation until 1948, up until then, the land was up for negotiations, as is the West Bank today.

Arabs from lands outside of the Palestine region declared war on Israel in 1948 even though they had really no interest in the Palestine region and didn't give a rats ass about the Palestinian Arabs as evident by the treatment they gave them after the war was lost.

BDE and Bernarda can whine that Israel shouldn't exist. But they don't live in the real world. And they have no grasp of logic.

I have countered a-theist jew's disinformation many times, but he continues to repeat the lie that there is not Palestinian land.

He has always ignored the facts that displease him. A reminder.

In the first British census after WWI, there were 10% jews in Palestine. Since 1920, before the Mandate, the first Palestine National Congress was demanding independence.

This was refused by the British who, once the Mandate achieved, named a zionist Jew, Samuel Herbert, as high commissioner. I have documented this on earlier threads, but AJ simply ignores this and pretends that is doesn't exist.

Another Jewish perspective on the proposed creation of a "jewish state" at the time.

http://www.al-bushra.org/jerusalem1/statement.htm

"As a future form of government for Palestine will undoubtedly be consideredby the approaching Peace Conference, we, the undersigned citizens of theUnited States, unite in this satement, setting forth our objection to theorganization of a Jewish State in Palestine as proposed by the ZionistSocieties in this country and Europe and TO THE SEGREGATION OF THE JEWS AS ANATIONALISTIC UNIT IN ANY COUNTRY."

It was only by force because the Arabs wouldn't accept immigration like we do in the West. Dearborn has gone from 1% Muslims to 40% Muslims, and that is to a sovereign nation. The Palestinian region was not sovereign until 1948.

So you deny the entire history of inter communal violence between native Arabs and foreign Jews leading up to '48?

Of course the Arab states declared war, a Jewish state (as opposed to a state for Jews and non-Jews) had just been created with the aid of European powers (who had no business doing so) in lands that had been continuously inhabited by Arabs for hundreds of years.

What else would one expect them to do? Why should the Arabs pay the price for the European Holocaust?

I piticurly criticise you? roya.ppk is not terorist,the countreis put in the teror list for them economicall interest,you as political student you should no that,

for any kurds is shame to call there brothers and sister terorist,This like (Jash)traiter,during the the genocide of kurdish in turkey,and anfal in iraq,the jash were colabarator,this the same,

you should be not a bioset,is important,you show the turkish teror and genocide against kurdish,for many century,turkish commited genocide against kurds people,language ,calture,geography,still is kurdish language in turkey is banned,pkk dont have any chiose,to fight,they are defending,Still kurdish is been denying in turkey,turks commited genocide against kurdish,armenian,greeks,and other minoriteis,and still they dont want apologise,you as politic student you should be aware in kurdish qastion,we kurds been opressed in all middle east countreis,

befor they were calling,the great leaader,Mr Nelson mendela terorist,but after 27 years in prison,they freed him,give him nobel peace price,very respect it.Ocalan is our mendela.after few years he will be free,and they will give him nobel peace price,and freedom fighter,this all is matter of the time,ever body knows they are freedom fighter,this for sake of political advantages,recently the heigh Europian court withdrown pkk from there list,they reveild the reality,

I am from south kurdistan,but kurdish people is aware now ,we are not like kurds as befor,every body to use as toll,we are leading our politics,and kurds united,from thouth to the north west to east,kurds doesnt any more recognice thi srtificial borders,

hope you get my point

LOng live united kurdistanimortality for myrtersPKK+Pdk+UNK=KurdistanBarzani+talabani+ocalan=kurdistan

I piticurly criticise you? roya.ppk is not terorist,the countreis put in the teror list for them economicall interest,you as political student you should no that,

for any kurds is shame to call there brothers and sister terorist,This like (Jash)traiter,during the the genocide of kurdish in turkey,and anfal in iraq,the jash were colabarator,this the same,

you should be not a bioset,is important,you show the turkish teror and genocide against kurdish,for many century,turkish commited genocide against kurds people,language ,calture,geography,still is kurdish language in turkey is banned,pkk dont have any chiose,to fight,they are defending,Still kurdish is been denying in turkey,turks commited genocide against kurdish,armenian,greeks,and other minoriteis,and still they dont want apologise,you as politic student you should be aware in kurdish qastion,we kurds been opressed in all middle east countreis,

befor they were calling,the great leaader,Mr Nelson mendela terorist,but after 27 years in prison,they freed him,give him nobel peace price,very respect it.Ocalan is our mendela.after few years he will be free,and they will give him nobel peace price,and freedom fighter,this all is matter of the time,ever body knows they are freedom fighter,this for sake of political advantages,recently the heigh Europian court withdrown pkk from there list,they reveild the reality,

I am from south kurdistan,but kurdish people is aware now ,we are not like kurds as befor,every body to use as toll,we are leading our politics,and kurds united,from thouth to the north west to east,kurds doesnt any more recognice thi srtificial borders,

hope you get my point

LOng live united kurdistanimortality for myrtersPKK+Pdk+UNK=KurdistanBarzani+talabani+ocalan=kurdistan