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: According to [[:WikiPedia:List of cities in Thailand by population]] that is correct. ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:50, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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: According to [[:WikiPedia:List of cities in Thailand by population]] that is correct, so I've updated the article. ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:50, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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The article has now been changed back [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Chiang_Mai&diff=667658&oldid=666288] with the edit summary: ''Change from "fifth-largest" to "second-largest" in accordance with Lonely Planet (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/destinations/asia/thailand/chiang-mai )''. However LP Thailand 11th edition (September 2005) credits Khorat with "pop 215,000" (P.438) and Hat Yai with "pop 191,200" (P.610), but only "pop 170,300" (P.276) for Chiang Mai; similar situation in the 10th edition. So I've reverted the article back again to state that Chiang Mai is 5th largest (which will probably need updating to 6th largest before too long). ~ [[User:58.8.8.141|58.8.8.141]] 17:01, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

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The whole article page/ site is messed up. No matter what you try to edit/add or even if you don't add anything and just try to save the existing page AS IS, with out changes, the spam filter blocks everything. Can anyone fix this? The site has gone into limbo...

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: I think the problem is how they count city and metropolitan area. --[[User:Jeffmcneill|jeffmcneill]] 03:23, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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: I've identified the problem but I can't fix it because the blacklist no longer permits edits by anonymous users. I've reported the problem at [[Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist#Semi-protect?]] ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:43, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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According to a 2000 Thai census report located at [http://web.nso.go.th/pop2000/finalrep/cheingmaifn.pdf] , the population in 2000 was 248,479 people for Amphoe Meuang Chiang Mai. Khorat or Nahkon Ratchisima, via the same set of documents, came in at 430,053 people. These are government sponsored documents, not a guidebook's guess or estimate. The entry page to view these documents (in English and Thai) is located at [http://web.nso.go.th/pop2000/pop_e2000.htm]. The 2010 census is not complete but I imagine next year the data will be available and this page can be updated then. --[[User:117.47.147.49|117.47.147.49]] 05:59, 13 February 2010 (EST)stan_pressman@hotmail.com

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: The URL that the blacklist was blocking has now been added to the whitelist, but that hasn't resolved the problem. ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:57, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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:: The page can now be edited again. ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 08:12, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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Chiang Mai is now the sixth city proper (after Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Pak Kret, Hat Yai and Nakhon Ratchasima), and the second largest metropolitan area (after Bangkok). See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Thailand_by_population]. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 21:56, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

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:: Unfortunately, I can't speak (or read) Thai-- so for the benefit of myself and other non-Thai-speaking writers, perhaps we should keep a list of "confirmed" or "nonconfirmed" spellings back here for our reference. -- [[User:Psychofish|psychofish]] 17:25, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

:: Unfortunately, I can't speak (or read) Thai-- so for the benefit of myself and other non-Thai-speaking writers, perhaps we should keep a list of "confirmed" or "nonconfirmed" spellings back here for our reference. -- [[User:Psychofish|psychofish]] 17:25, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

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::: Jpatokal is correct. There are many variant spellings of street names (and everything else), and unfortunately you can get a different one for the street sign, for Google maps, and for local maps like Nancy Chandler's. Thai people themselves don't necessarily even use street names, they use landmarks, as map use is not commonly taught in the schools and is not widely used in the local culture. Enjoy nonetheless! --[[User:Jeffmcneill|jeffmcneill]] 03:33, 3 January 2010 (EST)

:It's fixed now. Sorry for the problems. I'm still trying to work out how to make the [[Wikitravel:spam filter]] work best. Input and comments very welcome. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 15:19, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

:It's fixed now. Sorry for the problems. I'm still trying to work out how to make the [[Wikitravel:spam filter]] work best. Input and comments very welcome. --[[User:Evan|Evan]] 15:19, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

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: I've identified the problem but I can't fix it because the blacklist no longer permits edits by anonymous users. I've reported the problem at [[Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist#Semi-protect?]] ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:43, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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: The URL that the blacklist was blocking (pornpinghotelchiangmai) has now been added to the whitelist, but that hasn't resolved the problem. ~ [[User:203.147.0.48|203.147.0.48]] 07:57, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

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== Who is removing my home videos off this page? ==

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White trash and cosmopolitan are not the same thing. A gazillion "steak buffets" (including Sizzler), cheap Aussie backpacker bars, restaurants serving "international Thai food" (NOT SPICY!!!!), and hangouts for teenagers called Marijuana, THC, and Cannabis do not make Chiang Mai cosmopolitan. This city is garbage.

White trash and cosmopolitan are not the same thing. A gazillion "steak buffets" (including Sizzler), cheap Aussie backpacker bars, restaurants serving "international Thai food" (NOT SPICY!!!!), and hangouts for teenagers called Marijuana, THC, and Cannabis do not make Chiang Mai cosmopolitan. This city is garbage.

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Chiang Mai has been consistently voted 'one of the most livable cities' in South East Asia. There is a huge range of culture and cuisine available, from the sublime to the cor blimey. It is telling that many Thais dream of living here because of the cooler climate, Lanna culture and the influx of expats regarded as more sophisticated than those found in other areas of the kingdom. The presence of 'backpacker' and 'hippie' culture is balanced by the large contingent of five star accommodation and eateries. Chiang Mai is a superbly civilised city. Cosmopolitan, classy and classic.

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The used picture [[:Image:WatDoiSuthep Courtyard.JPG]] has no license information. (and can be moved to shared:) -- [[User:DerFussi|DerFussi]] 07:00, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

Is the point that people will end up in Chiang Mai and decide to stay if they can get a job teaching English? Otherwise I see no real reason to include these courses on the page.[[User:Roundtheworld|Shep]] 02:31, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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: I think the point is that you can Learn things in Chiang Mai along with Thai Massage, Thai Language, Thai Cooking and Buddhism. Definitely people do want to stay and getting a job teaching English is one of the more popular approaches. --[[User:Jeffmcneill|jeffmcneill]] 03:16, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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::OK. I'm convinced. It's a nice place to want to stay![[User:Roundtheworld|Shep]] 04:26, 3 January 2010 (EST)

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The following stuff was copied out of a directory, with not a single personal recommendation among them. As I'm trying to clean up this page (and there should be no individual listings on this region page), I'm putting them here for the time being, until we figure out what to do with them. If you can recommend some of these places above the others, please move the listing to the proper destination (i.e. city) article. [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 22:59, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

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: I moved the list to [[Talk:Chiang Mai/Listings]] and added some more listings for future reference. --[[User:Globe-trotter|globe-trotter]] 17:06, 3 February 2010 (EST)

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We seem to be missing a category for 'cope'. Certainly those listings for Chiang Mai Ram Hospital,Grace Dental Clinic, and the Malaria Centers could go there -- those three are well known in the community. {{unsigned|86.96.227.91|10:37, 28 July 2010}}

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Anyone out there good at making maps? We really need a few for this page. {{unsigned|86.96.227.91|10:42, 28 July 2010}}

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Hi, just heard about this kind of crime, while having my breakfast at a fruit stand. I was talking to another traveller about the cheap busses to Bangkok (350 THB), and was wondering why they are so much cheaper than the offers you get in Bangkok. He told me, that this may be because of the following (template to improve):

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Busses are also a common way to get in and out of Chiang Mai, but there are rumors (confirmed by locals), that some exceptionally cheap companies would intoxicate their passengers with sleeping gas and then take their money or other valuables.

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I thought to put this in here, because the fruit lady confirmed that this happens. So i thought it may be a good thing to inform others about this. But since this is Thailand, and information from a singel source is inappropriate quite often, i decided to put it here. Also because i could not decide wether this should be put in the "Stay safe" or "Get out" section.

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Anyway, i will now take a train since i heard quite often, that these should be more safe (and convenient).

The article has now been changed back [1] with the edit summary: Change from "fifth-largest" to "second-largest" in accordance with Lonely Planet (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/destinations/asia/thailand/chiang-mai ). However LP Thailand 11th edition (September 2005) credits Khorat with "pop 215,000" (P.438) and Hat Yai with "pop 191,200" (P.610), but only "pop 170,300" (P.276) for Chiang Mai; similar situation in the 10th edition. So I've reverted the article back again to state that Chiang Mai is 5th largest (which will probably need updating to 6th largest before too long). ~ 58.8.8.141 17:01, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

I think the problem is how they count city and metropolitan area. --jeffmcneill 03:23, 3 January 2010 (EST)

According to a 2000 Thai census report located at [2] , the population in 2000 was 248,479 people for Amphoe Meuang Chiang Mai. Khorat or Nahkon Ratchisima, via the same set of documents, came in at 430,053 people. These are government sponsored documents, not a guidebook's guess or estimate. The entry page to view these documents (in English and Thai) is located at [3]. The 2010 census is not complete but I imagine next year the data will be available and this page can be updated then. --117.47.147.49 05:59, 13 February 2010 (EST)stan_pressman@hotmail.com

Chiang Mai is now the sixth city proper (after Bangkok, Nonthaburi, Pak Kret, Hat Yai and Nakhon Ratchasima), and the second largest metropolitan area (after Bangkok). See [4]. --globe-trotter 21:56, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Spellings

Can someone double check or confirm the spellings of streets (and anything else)? I'm looking at a tourist map of Chiang Mai (which isn't exactly reliable) and it differs on a few of the street names, but I'm not sure if what's here is any more reliable than this is. For example: Nimmanhemin or Nimmanhaemin Road? Chaiyapoom or Chiayaphum? -- psychofish 01:23, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

The names are in Thai, so they can be and regularly are spelled in English in dozens of different ways. Wikitravel attempts to follow RTGS, so eg. ชัยภูม should be rendered Chaiyaphum -- see Wikitravel:Romanization for the gory details. Jpatokal 02:40, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I can't speak (or read) Thai-- so for the benefit of myself and other non-Thai-speaking writers, perhaps we should keep a list of "confirmed" or "nonconfirmed" spellings back here for our reference. -- psychofish 17:25, 13 April 2006 (EDT)

Jpatokal is correct. There are many variant spellings of street names (and everything else), and unfortunately you can get a different one for the street sign, for Google maps, and for local maps like Nancy Chandler's. Thai people themselves don't necessarily even use street names, they use landmarks, as map use is not commonly taught in the schools and is not widely used in the local culture. Enjoy nonetheless! --jeffmcneill 03:33, 3 January 2010 (EST)

Porn Ping

The URL you(?) had there was an IP address, and it did not work: I clicked on it and got an error. At the time I edited the page it was [http://203.147.62.173 Porn Ping Tower] -- try it: Porn Ping Tower. -- Hypatia 05:04, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

The "dammit" was directed at the spam filter, not you... the site remains perfectly accessible at its real URL, but obviously the numeric IP has changed and I can't access it either. Sigh. Jpatokal 05:06, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

It's 203.147.62.173, but it looks like the hotel site is on a virtual host in which case the IP address can't work as the webserver is looking for the hostname in the request. Meanwhil, maybe we should tone down the language, since we have some very young contributors from time to time. ;) -- Mark 05:09, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

Yes it is, but you cannot access the site by IP. Try it: http://203.147.62.173/ . They're probably using some kind of virtual hosting (multiple sites sharing an IP) so you need to request it by name to get the right site rather than the error. This is the second peril of linking to IPs; the other being that they change :( -- Hypatia 05:13, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

Oops, sorry Mary, my update to my remarks above collided with your posts (twice I think), so now it looks like we are saying the same thing, I guess I ought to have added an addendum instead.. -- Mark 05:18, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

I tried to find the real URL before removing the link entirely but Google was not helpful. I guess I should have looked at the page history. -- Hypatia 05:10, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

It's fixed now. Sorry for the problems. I'm still trying to work out how to make the Wikitravel:spam filter work best. Input and comments very welcome. --Evan 15:19, 2 Nov 2004 (EST)

Page Messed Up

The whole article page/ site is messed up. No matter what you try to edit/add or even if you don't add anything and just try to save the existing page AS IS, with out changes, the spam filter blocks everything. Can anyone fix this? The site has gone into limbo... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.123.85.73 (talk • contribs) 25 August 2007

The URL that the blacklist was blocking (pornpinghotelchiangmai) has now been added to the whitelist, but that hasn't resolved the problem. ~ 203.147.0.48 07:57, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

The page can now be edited again. ~ 203.147.0.48 08:12, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

Who is removing my home videos off this page?

I have posted links to real nice short streaming home videos of Doi Suthep, Wararot Market, Khom Loy at the Loi Krathong festival and a Khantoke Dinner. I would store them here at Wiki but it doesn't suppot them. I have links to all my home videos posted on many forums and travel journal sites and everyone enjoys them. There are no advertisements or Spaming involved. These are just good home videos showing Chiang Mai, it's people and culture. Why are you removing them?

Randy Gaudet
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Hi Randy. I'm the one who removed the link to your video. I'm sure it's a great video and of interest to travellers, but we currently don't link to personal websites, blogs, photos, or videos (you can read more at Wikitravel:External links).Of course you are welcome to link to your videos. etcs from you user page. If you'd like you can also start at discussion specifically about linking to video if you think our current guidelines dont adress it. I really appreciate your contributions to the Thailnd guides and hope this doesn't put you off! Majnoona 18:56, 10 Jan 2006 (EST)

"Cosmopolitan"

White trash and cosmopolitan are not the same thing. A gazillion "steak buffets" (including Sizzler), cheap Aussie backpacker bars, restaurants serving "international Thai food" (NOT SPICY!!!!), and hangouts for teenagers called Marijuana, THC, and Cannabis do not make Chiang Mai cosmopolitan. This city is garbage.

Chiang Mai has been consistently voted 'one of the most livable cities' in South East Asia. There is a huge range of culture and cuisine available, from the sublime to the cor blimey. It is telling that many Thais dream of living here because of the cooler climate, Lanna culture and the influx of expats regarded as more sophisticated than those found in other areas of the kingdom. The presence of 'backpacker' and 'hippie' culture is balanced by the large contingent of five star accommodation and eateries. Chiang Mai is a superbly civilised city. Cosmopolitan, classy and classic.

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Is the point that people will end up in Chiang Mai and decide to stay if they can get a job teaching English? Otherwise I see no real reason to include these courses on the page.Shep 02:31, 3 January 2010 (EST)

I think the point is that you can Learn things in Chiang Mai along with Thai Massage, Thai Language, Thai Cooking and Buddhism. Definitely people do want to stay and getting a job teaching English is one of the more popular approaches. --jeffmcneill 03:16, 3 January 2010 (EST)

OK. I'm convinced. It's a nice place to want to stay!Shep 04:26, 3 January 2010 (EST)

Sections with individual listings

The following stuff was copied out of a directory, with not a single personal recommendation among them. As I'm trying to clean up this page (and there should be no individual listings on this region page), I'm putting them here for the time being, until we figure out what to do with them. If you can recommend some of these places above the others, please move the listing to the proper destination (i.e. city) article. Texugo 22:59, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Cope section

We seem to be missing a category for 'cope'. Certainly those listings for Chiang Mai Ram Hospital,Grace Dental Clinic, and the Malaria Centers could go there -- those three are well known in the community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.96.227.91 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 28 July 2010

Maps needed

Anyone out there good at making maps? We really need a few for this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.96.227.91 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 28 July 2010

Bus robbery?

Hi, just heard about this kind of crime, while having my breakfast at a fruit stand. I was talking to another traveller about the cheap busses to Bangkok (350 THB), and was wondering why they are so much cheaper than the offers you get in Bangkok. He told me, that this may be because of the following (template to improve):

Busses are also a common way to get in and out of Chiang Mai, but there are rumors (confirmed by locals), that some exceptionally cheap companies would intoxicate their passengers with sleeping gas and then take their money or other valuables.

I thought to put this in here, because the fruit lady confirmed that this happens. So i thought it may be a good thing to inform others about this. But since this is Thailand, and information from a singel source is inappropriate quite often, i decided to put it here. Also because i could not decide wether this should be put in the "Stay safe" or "Get out" section.

Anyway, i will now take a train since i heard quite often, that these should be more safe (and convenient).