Look at it in this light, with the Favre saga in Green Bay, Stephen Jackson holding out, Westbrook and Burress demanding new contracts. Shockey traded to the Saints, Steve Smith beating people up, Javon Walker mugged in Vegas, brandon Marshall and a few others getting suspended......and the list goes on across the NFL.

Are you not glad that all the Redskin players are in camp, under contract, happy and playing football?

Look at it in this light, with the Favre saga in Green Bay, Stephen Jackson holding out, Westbrook and Burress demanding new contracts. Shockey traded to the Saints, Steve Smith beating people up, Javon Walker mugged in Vegas, brandon Marshall and a few others getting suspended......and the list goes on across the NFL.

Are you not glad that all the Redskin players are in camp, under contract, happy and playing football?

Excellent point! And we don't have to hear haters talking about "oh Snyder brought a whole bunch of overpaid super stars that are going to be a bust", nor do we have to be nervous about a questionable signing a la Lloyd/Archuleta.

Emmitt for the Cardinals
Mays for the Mets
Unitas for the Chargers
Namath for the Rams
Montana for the Chiefs
Rice for the Broncos
Reggie White for the Panthers

and so on

Tell you one that I've REALLY TRIED TO FORGET: Monk w/the Jets & Eagles! Surely, there wasn't a Jets/Iggles contingency in canton last week.

Also, G Clark w/the cards & fins, R. Sanders w/atl, and Mann in SF.
Years from now, will anybody talk about Lavar w/the g-men? Probably not, cause he wasn't as big a star as Farve, but the situations are similar.

I guess tarnishing a legacy is a point of view. Some have short or maybe even weak memories, so they only remember the good. However, there are plenty of people that didn't forget how Elway screwed the Colts, or how JD Drew screwed Philadelphia etc. There are plenty of instances out there that changed the opinion in peoples minds of these athletes. For others it doesn't matter.
To me, this is not a case of player who still feels he can play and the team doesn't so he's cut loose. This is an ugly divorce with both sides throwing punches, but Favre is the one that has gone back on his word several times. It's just ugly, and it has indeed changed my opinion of him.
No, that does not take away the fact he's a HOFer, but it does tarnish his legacy in my mind, and I am sure several other minds.

I don't see how looking at the entire scope of a player's career beyond just his final year or two constitutes having a short or weak memory.

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How about Gibbs' second stint? Did that tarnish his legacy? His bust is still in Canton from what I saw.

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

You have to take into account what team he took over in 2004 when he came here. As far as I'm concerned he took as out of the dark ages since now we can discuss making the playoffs as a benchmark/realistic goal for Zorn.

Plus, look at the guys Gibbs brought here, look at this draft picks -- essentially the reason why we are able to compete again in the NFC East.

I would even say that Gibbs presence calmed down Dan Synder TREMENDOUSLY. He learned he could put trust in other people and that he didn't have to have his hand in every move the organization made.

I think in the long term Gibbs legacy will be bringing respectability back to the Redskins, while he certainly wasn't as dominating as during his first stint, he definitely showed why he belongs in the HOF.

Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Tactically it may tarnish his image slightly. But don't forget the evolution of the Air Coryell offense into what it is today is largely because of Gibbs.

Overall, absolutely not. Keep in mind the sorry state of the Redskins franchise before he came back. 2 playoff appearances in the last 3 years ain't bad, when we were pretty much a punchline for a few years. I think the lasting effect will be Snyder learning true leadership at the foot of Joe Gibbs and IMO it will translate into SB hardware sooner rather than later.

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Honestly...to me, yes. Look at his winning % change.
He showed that the game passed him by. Especially when he calls two time outs back to back in a critical situation. It doesn't take anything away from his first stint, but we will ever refer to Gibbs as "part 1, and part 2". Part 1, he was a HOFer, a top 3 coach ALL TIME. Part 2, he was not much better than average.

Seems a little myopic to judge him on winning % alone or one critical mistake (I thought he made up for that with the challenge against the Vikings for too many men on the field) but that's your opinion.

To me there's a much bigger picture to look at as far as his impact on the organization and his guidance through the Taylor tragedy.