This Christmas DO NOT Watch “It’s A Wonderful Life!” There’s Way Too Much Jesus in It! In Trumped Tax-Cut-For-The-Rich-America We Must Bow Down To Greed NOT Celebrate Christ’s Love!

It is no exaggeration to say that the Trump GOP tax bill – at Christmastime no less! – is the most anti-Christian theft from the poor to give to the rich imaginable.

Get this through your head: The Trump GOP loves rich donors and literally hates Jesus. Merry Christmas!
America is on a trajectory to pure evil of biblical proportions. Headlines read like Old Testament quotes denouncing the rich robbing the poor and announcing God’s wrath. Ironic that white evangelical voters gave us Trump and his “Healthcare for Kids Traded for Billionaire Tax Cuts” headlines.

Trump wins! So do his brat spoiled kids! He promised himself and his grifter family of con-artists a “big, beautiful” tax cut by Christmas and by God he got one so his family and America’s largest companies are about to get the biggest tax cut- ever.

The middle class… not so much- as Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare are soon to be slashed to make up for the GOP deficit busting giveaway to the rich.

With the Trump/GOP tax cuts for the super-rich at the expense of the poor the Republican Party has no one left in it asking “What would Jesus do?” It’s clear these days that Republicans ask “What would Satan do?” then do it.

At the same time as Trump’s GOP cut taxes for billionaire donors they failed to renew the Children’s Health Insurance Program. States have begun to notify beneficiaries – 9 million children! – that they will be cut off. This is the GOP/Trump idea of “restoring Christ to Christmas.”

It is possible Trump does crazy things simply because he’s crazy. But the outbursts served an evil purpose this week: They provided cover. While we watched Trump spreading UK neo-Nazis’ tweets or implying Joe Scarborough’s involvement in a murder, Trump’s GOP achieved unthinkable anti-Jesus abominations.
The GOP is now the party of pagan excess. And evangelicals back it.

The Trump Republicans kept talking about “putting Christ back in Christmas.” Now we know what they meant: Celebrate Jesus’ birthday in 2017 by robbing the poor, the middle class and sick children so the Trump family and Goldman Sachs’ ilk can make billions more.

So… this Christmas do NOT watch “It’s A Wonderful Life” again! It’ll only make you sad that there used to be ideals in this country.

To borrow from the movie: Potter the hardhearted banker won! George Bailey is dead and so are his kids who had no healthcare after the Trump/GOP-Potter cut it to line the pockets of the rich.

White evangelical voters’ favorite pagan woman-abusing molester/groper son Trump just banned the spirit of Christmas past, present and future in a way Dickens could not even imagine. Trump and his GOP are the new instigators of today’s updated Massacre of the Innocents– the biblical account of infanticide by Herod the Great in his attempt to kill the baby Jesus.

It is no exaggeration to say that the Trump GOP tax bill – at Christmastime no less! – is the most anti-Christian theft from the poor to give to the rich imaginable.Get this through your head: The Trump GOP loves rich donors and literally hates Jesus. Merry Christmas!America is on a trajectory to pure evil of biblical proportions. Headlines read like Old Testament quotes denouncing the rich robbing the poor and announcing God's wrath. Ironic that white evangelical voters gave us Trump and his "Healthcare for Kids Traded for Billionaire Tax Cuts" headlines.Trump wins! So do his brat spoiled kids! He promised himself and his grafter family of con-artists a "big, beautiful" tax cut by Christmas and by God he got one so his family and America's largest companies are about to get the biggest tax cut- ever.The middle class… not so much- as Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare are soon to be slashed to make up for the GOP deficit busting giveaway to the rich.With the Trump/GOP tax cuts for the super-rich at the expense of the poor the Republican Party has no one left in it asking "What would Jesus do?" It's clear these days that Republicans ask "What would Satan do?" then do it.At the same time as Trump's GOP cut taxes for billionaire donors they failed to renew the Children’s Health Insurance Program. States have begun to notify beneficiaries – 9 million children! – that they will be cut off. This is the GOP/Trump idea of “restoring Christ to Christmas.”It is possible Trump does crazy things simply because he’s crazy. But the outbursts served an evil purpose this week: They provided cover. While we watched Trump spreading UK neo-Nazis' tweets or implying Joe Scarborough’s involvement in a murder, Trump's GOP achieved unthinkable anti-Jesus abominations.The GOP is now the party of pagan excess. And evangelicals back it.The Trump Republicans kept talking about “putting Christ back in Christmas.” Now we know what they meant: Celebrate Jesus' birthday in 2017 by robbing the poor, the middle class and sick children so the Trump family and Goldman Sachs’ ilk can make billions more.So… this Christmas do NOT watch “It’s A Wonderful Life” again! It’ll only make you sad that there used to be ideals in this country.To borrow from the movie: Potter the hardhearted banker won! George Bailey is dead and so are his kids who had no healthcare after the Trump/GOP-Potter cut it to line the pockets of the rich.White evangelical voters’ favorite pagan woman-abusing molester/groper son Trump just banned the spirit of Christmas past, present and future in a way Dickens could not even imagine. Trump and his GOP are the new instigators of today’s updated Massacre of the Innocents– the biblical account of infanticide by Herod the Great in his attempt to kill the baby Jesus.Discover my new book, "Letter to Lucy: A Manifesto of Creative Redemption in The Age of Trump, Fascism and Lies" here:https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/book/letter-to-lucy/id1291078220?mt=11&at=1000lHij

Diana,
Frank does not believe anything written in the Bible. So for him to even use the word “Jesus”, as if Frank was serious about anything Jesus said, is the height of hypocrisy. Frank is a complete fraud when it comes to religion.

Following up on my comment on Frank’s previous thread. “And while it is true that most bible thumpers condemn homosexuality, they don’t relentlessly obsess about it in the pathological manner that you do. That you would, to such an unhealthy extent, to the point that you are clearly stalking Frank’s blog in an unrelenting non-stop round the clock 24/7 watch, just waiting for him to post a new thread just so that you can be the first to comment with your continuously derogatory and hateful rhetoric, tells me that it is all deeply personal to you. Which in turn begs the question: Why would someone one do that, unless it really is THAT personal?” —- MY POINT EXACTLY!!! Here you are once again, the first to comment, with your hateful vitriol…

First off, Frank hasn’t even as much as addressed any of your deranged comments. And NO! I will NOT shut up! Remember, I was raped and tortured by those professing to be devout Christians! As such, I will be over my dead body that I will allow for this country to turn into a Christofascist country, where fake fucking Alt-Right gun-toting Christians can dictate my every move. I’ve been there, done that, and will do whatever I must to prevent it. Even if one of you depraved asshole kills me, I will not shut up! Not today, not tomorrow, not ever! While you are free to worship whichever way you want, you are not free to dictate to me or anyone else what we should all believe, which is your personal agenda.

So keep on writing your depraved shit! As the more people that read what you write, the more aware they will become of the threat that the likes of you (who wants to see the Christian flag fly above the American flag, and even control how people share intimacy) represent to everyone else. If you think it’s personal for you… You have no idea how personal it is to me. Particularly after what I’ve endured at the hands of fake Christians.

Abadie, There could be some who want to dictate your every move, but it isn’t Christians. You’re fighting the wrong people. I could not care less what you believe. You can believe you’re a pickled egg for all I care. I just don’t want people like you making the laws because you will do to me what you accuse me, falsely, of wanting to do to you! Keep fighting the fake Christians, but leave the real ones alone.

Gory… As evidenced by your relentless trolling… It is blatantly obvious that you are NOT a real Christian! Not once, not anywhere, have you as much as mentioned that Jesus was all about love, tolerance, and forgiveness. Quite the contrary! Everything you write is about fear, hatred, and how all those who do not believe in the KJB will go to hell where they will endure eternal torture. To wit, you can’t even bring yourself to acknowledge that ramming a metal rod up the rectum of men and up the rectum and vagina of women and then turning on the switch to 220 volts is immoral/evil. Not even when it is done to small babies. Instead, you repeatedly insist that I can’t prove that it is. That should tell you something about yourself!

Also… When have I ever said that you can’t believe whatever you want, or dictated how you should worship. For that matter when has any so-called “liberal” as you broadly label all those who do not subscribe to your political agenda ever stopped you from doing what you want, or dictated who you can or can not have sex with?

Unlike you, I am very much a live and let live person. As such, I don’t want to see the likes of you making the laws that would discriminate against people of other faiths, other races, and more importantly, pass laws that would mandate that god comes first over country, or make homosexuality illegal, which would then result in mass incarceration, and further voter suppression.

Look Bryson .. we get it already … you’re having gender identity issues and you’re hoping for our help . But as compassionate and caring a bunch as we are that fact is we do not have the appropriate training … and with gender issues being as complex and sensitive as they are … we’d only make things worse . But as a moment of Christian charity should you chose to reveal who what and where you really are … having many friends and associates in the psychiatric community … I’m sure I’d be able to recommend someone in your area than can help

Ah… Yes! Such a “brilliant” comment from a self-confessed sockpuppet (a false online identity, typically created by a person or group in order to promote their own opinions or views), who brags “when I see comment threads like these, which include threats and smears, I NEVER use my own computer! LOL!” and confuses Martin for making pedophiliac type remarks about young girls, when in fact it was sockpuppet Diana Marie who commented, “Although Franks obsession with his little granddaughter, even though he has other grandchildren, is getting a little creepy” while Gary Bryson has made numerous and repeated threats!

Yup! To be explicit… That would be after the October Revolution of November 7, 1917 (October 25 Old Calendar) there was a movement within the Soviet Union to unite all of the people of the world under Communist rule (see Communist International). This included the Eastern bloc countries as well as the Balkan States. Very soon after the October Revolution, the campaign to end religion – and more specifically, the extermination of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam – began.

But hey! Now that Drumph’s master devout Orthodox Christian Vladimir Putin (who kills and tortures those who would come between him and his oligarchy of thugs) has brought religion back to Russia, I guess you Drumph supporters have no issue with the communist agenda, (which former KGB agent Putin is known to be fond of) coming to Amerikkka. Little wonder you that are all so huffy about Mueller’s pesky investigation!

As usual, you don’t research anything before posting your load of ignorant commentary. For the record, Putin’s father was an atheist, while his mother (who gave Vladimir the cross he always wears around his neck), was an Orthodox Christian. Also for the record, the Russian Orthodox Church has powerful ties to the Kremlin and is currently engaged in a war against Western Christian faiths, having recently enacted a new Russian law that targets Evangelicals and Baptists. But keep putting your head in the sand and ignoring Putin’s puppet Drumph’s ties to the Kremlin.http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html

Seems to me that sexually frustrated Gory now has a harem of trolls who have obviously not even tried to do their research before replying, or they’d know that there are hundreds of articles and reports on the topic regarding Russia’s Orthodox Church’s ties to the Kremlin. Or as it’s now aptly named… “Putin’s God Squad.”

Putin rose to be the head of the KGB in part because .. his mother was a devote Russian Orthodox Christian … and .. . the Russian Orthodox Church had been in complete compliance with the Russian / Soviet Union governments post WWII

And they still are . With the Russian Orthodox churches reinstating the Pogroms … now aimed at not only the Jews .. but Protestants , Muslims and Romany alike

But in as far as the complaint about leftists killing people . Suffice it to say if you knew your history DiaBryCourtImone … forget leftists .. lets have a look at the Far Right … as in … Hitler , Mussolini and Franco .. all of whom claimed to be devote christians … en total responsible for over 11 million Jews in the Holocaust alone .. with millions more during WWII ,, and after ( Franco )

All supported en total by the Lutheran and Catholic churches of Germany .. the Roman Catholic churches of Italy and Spain ( with the Popes full approval and compliance ) as well as .. the Ecumenical Council of Churches worldwide … including the US .

And then … in the modern era .. there is the case of Jimmy Swaggart , Billy Graham , Pat Robertson et al .. in fact the entire leadership of the 80’s Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches /denominations not only endorsing the mass murders of people thru out Central and South America.. but financially supporting it as well .. including the now infamous Iran / Contra scandal … using millions of their parishioners donated dollars in order to accomplish their dirty deeds done dirt cheap .. at their parishioners expense

Fact that is not only fully documented … but I witnessed first hand myself while working with Dr Walter Martin’s EMNR ( Evangelical Ministries to Ne Religions )

So much for … err .. Leftist murders

Once again bringing to mind the lyrics of the bard .. Ian Anderson ;

” If Jesus saves, well He’d better save Himself
From the gory glory seekers who use His name in death
Oh Jesus save me “

While I absolutely do not condone late-term abortions in any way, and would personally never have an abortion myself, even if my pregnancy resulted from rape, nobody slices and then rips off the heads of an unborn child when performing a late-term abortion. Myths about late-term abortion are dangerous and misconstrue what patients really experience, so here’s the truth: Third-trimester abortions are illegal in most states, and abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy are incredibly rare. That being said, in the few states in which late-term abortions are still performed, an injection known as feticide is given to stop the fetus’ heartbeat and ensure it isn’t alive during the procedure. Which although in my mind does constitute murder, is nonetheless nowhere near as evil as is torture, which by definition is the action or practice of inflicting unimaginably excruciating pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain! So spare me the f*cking red herring to deflect from having to acknowledge that torture is indeed beyond immoral and evil!!!

Gory… What part of: “While I absolutely do not condone late-term abortions in any way, and would personally never have an abortion myself, even if my pregnancy resulted from rape” and “that late-term pregnancy in my mind DOES constitute murder” did you not understand?

As for your sadistic false equivalency for the sake of continuing to deny that torture is both immoral and evil… The Nazi gas chambers were notoriously torturous. Not that you would ever care to know anything about how much the Jewish people suffered being that they do not believe in the KJB, but here is an article on the trial of Oskar Groening for his role in deaths of 300,000 Hungarian Jews, that describes how torturous it really was:

I guess Frank keeps talking about Jesus in the same way you keep trolling his blog with silly statements. Is there some law that says Frank can’t keep talking about Jesus. It is his blog you know. And so what if he is an atheist? Not all atheists or Christians have the same character traits although that may be difficult for your childish mind to understand.

You also don’t know a lot about world history concerning your asinine comments about atheistic leaders throughout history. Check out the bloody history of Christian genocide because you point the finger. Take the log-jammed in your persecuted complex Christian mind before you decided to take the splinter out of an atheist’s eye.

Gory… Instead of delegating women to domestic chores, why don’t you go and bake your own cookies? And while you are at it, make sure that you add a good dose of laxative powder to see if you can dislodge that “persecuted Christian” log that is jammed so tight up your fake Christian posterior!

Of course, you do! How many time do I need to tell you that I have you pegged? You actually get off on dictating what women should do. Such a having your big buffarilla maid do your trolling for you. Just a word of caution. I wouldn’t be invoking Abaddon if I were you. As mentioned before, I do have a knack for driving old men to their perdition.

joelyn is pretending to not know about the bloody history of atheistic leaders committing mass murder.

They killed 100 Million people in the past 100 years alone according to The Black Book of Communism…Harvard University Press…which is more than were killed in all the wars before the bloody 20th Century.

What are you doing Online? Don’t you have chores to do such as washing your master’s soiled underpants? Get moving whore, and stop being so jealous that your master is giving me more attention than he is giving you!

Bryson … look .. we get it … you’re having gender identity issues and you’re hoping for our help . But as compassionate and caring a bunch as we are that fact is we do not have the appropriate training … and with gender issues being as complex and sensitive as they are … we’d only make things worse . But as a moment of Christian charity should you chose to reveal who what and where you really are … having many friends and associates in the psychiatric community … I’m sure I’d be able to recommend someone in your area than can help

We already know that you re getting ready. Both televangelist Jim Bakker and Drumph’s adviser Roger Stone has warned that Christians would begin a second civil war if President Drumph were ever impeached. As such, you better believe that you are not the only ones who are getting ready. Hopefully, it won’t come to that. But should it … just know that we outnumber you 3 to 1.https://thinkprogress.org/trump-supporters-war-civil-war-0c796c6f6763/

Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

The third day he rose again from the dead:

He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

I believe in the Holy Ghost:

I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

The forgiveness of sins:

The resurrection of the body:

And the life everlasting.

Amen. ”

This creed goes back centuries in the Church and so in a modern changing society what can not be changed and what can be changed? Is it possible for a Gay person to believe in these scriptural facts and be a Christian? Who is the judge?

In the past of the Church Homosexuals were Popes and even the one who sponsored the King James bible…James himself a homosexual.

I personally believe that as he said his kingdom is not of this world and further, I am an alien in a strange and hostile land as he said by faith I am in his Kingdom now just waiting to be reunited with him and his saints and further, as Frank Shaeffer’s dad so eloquently stated “How should we then live” as that is the issue on this blog…

Went to yet another funeral today and we laid to rest the dearest of women as she lived that Gospel to near 100 as she served the Church and her local community. Her son is a gay man as she loved and defended him so a most powerful witness of love for the other.

Speaking of art you should get Frank Shaeffer’s book as in its pages is a tribute to Pink Floyd’s Dark side of the Moon album as an example of fine art. As I type PBS has David Gilmore playing live and what a fine musician as Water’s wrote the lyrics I believe. What makes something a fine work of art and other work not fine?

Of course it is spiritual in nature and how human beings communicate with each other as in great art is magical in its form and in how others perceive it as it is mysterious just as his spirit is mysterious in nature….

Art is the nature of that third person of the trinity as you shall know them by their love for one and other…

As always art, poetry, music and theater for me is plausible deniability….

Speaking of prophets … pray tell how many Biblical prophets have arisen from the ashes of the Protestant / Evangelical / Fundamentalist/ Catholic … so called .. churches over the last 2000 years or so ?

One need not be a prophet to predict that once the GOP finally passes his tax cuts bill (it still needs to be voted on by the House of Representatives) … they will have absolutely NO use for the 350 Lbs. albatross hanging from their necks!

What’s it to you? Are you looking to get off at my expense? If so, may I suggest that you watch some porn and then get it on with your blimp whore, instead of poking your filthy nose into other people’s private lives, where you have absolutely NO business being…

Of course, I have my reason for supporting homosexuals. Those being, that they are just as human as you and I am, and as such have a right to love whomever they want, without having to live in fear of being persecuted, tormented, incarcerated, losing their voting rights, etc… And yes! It is very personal to me, being that I have many friends who are truly beautiful, kind and compassionate people whom I care very deeply for, and as such don’t want them living in fear. Particularly when it’s nobody’s business how they choose to enjoy intimacy in the privacy of their own bedrooms and especially being that many who would pass the anti-gay laws that you so yearn for, are themselves closet homosexuals.

” Margarita, There is a reason for your support of queers. Is it just because you just like to rebel against God’s moral laws? Or is it because its an issue that is personal to you? ”

Actually Gory .. the real problem here is your gender identification issues and your fear of coming ‘ out of the closet ‘ that have turned you into such a homophobe …. the ole ” Methinks thou doest protests too much ” syndrome coming into play ..

Indeed TJ he sure ” doest protests WAY too much.” Pathologically so! Indicating that there must be root causes for such intense loathing and protestation… Clearly, and as I mentioned in Frank’s previous thread, while he professes otherwise, his overwhelming contempt towards homosexuals (more so towards men than women) has little to do with the bible, (of which he only knows that which serves to shield him from probing questions allowing him to deflect from that which he doesn’t want to deal with), and everything to do with his unresolved issues regarding his own sexuality.

It always comes to this. Every queer-loving pervert ends up accusing their enemies of being queer. I suppose its a final, futile attempt at insult. Maybe they hope to get their enemy to stop talking? Whatever the reason, it never works.

” It always comes to this. Every queer-loving pervert ends up accusing their enemies of being queer. I suppose its a final, futile attempt at insult. Maybe they hope to get their enemy to stop talking? Whatever the reason, it never works ”

Yeah thats a nice dodge for an inbred __ for brains redneck … but for a so called Christian … it doesn’t hold water

Martin,
Several times in the New Testament, including comments from Jesus, moral sex is said to be confined to marriage between a husband and his wife. A husband is always a man, and a wife is always a woman. Each one of those times, homosexuality is condemned, even if it is not specifically mentioned. Obviously, you are not the “Bible scholar” you claim to be.

” Don’t let your mouth get you in trouble. You have no idea what you would be getting into”

Oh golly .. I’m shaking in my slippers

This from the inbred chickenhawk troll with little girl alter ego sockpuppets pretending to be an adult .

And let me guess . I give you my address and the only thing that happens is my mailbox gets inundated with inbred alt right hypocritical fundamentalist christian wanna be bs and propaganda … right little boy ?

Yeah BryDiaCourt … the whole world is as stupid as you are .. in your deranged inbred little imagination

But tell you what … any time you finally decide to grow a pair troll boy … y’all lets me know ….. boy !

Now about those gender identity issues of yours combining with delusions of grandeur …

FYI .. the full name IS Dr TJ Martin PhD …. whatcha gonna do about it .. chickenhawk ?

” Several times in the New Testament, including comments from Jesus, moral sex is said to be confined to marriage between a husband and his wife. A husband is always a man, and a wife is always a woman”

Bull**** !

” Each one of those times, homosexuality is condemned, even if it is not specifically mentioned ”

In your deranged inbred little imagination perhaps

Suffice it to say little boy/girl when Christ condemns an action in the synoptic Gospels … He Does not infer … He states it clearly for one and all to see .. and any attempt to place hidden meaning into his Words has a specific term … Gnosticism

” Obviously, you are not the “Bible scholar” you claim to be ”

Funny … thats not what the majority of Christians across the US EU and UK think .. including the majority of those within the IFB you pretend to belong to .. but obviously do not .

So says the hate-filled homophobic who wants to put his nose into everybody else’s private sexual lives and dictate how they should conduct themselves, while he dreams of converting the entire world to his twisted version of Christianity! A sadistic modern-day Inquisitional Crusader, who endorses those who advocate for torture. All in the name of the holy Dollar which he hopes to be lining his pockets with, in the near future! Talk about another wannabe emperor who has no clothes…

Abadie,
I don’t have the ability to convert anyone to Christianity. And I understand that. God chooses those He wants in His family, and excludes those He does not want.

The Inquisition and the Crusades involved the Catholics, and I have never been a Catholic. And never will be. You should learn to stop blaming people for things they are not guilty of. I am guilty of hating queers. That’s the only thing you got right.

Oh… Really! Did you not post that you agree with a North Carolina flying the Christian flag over the American flag, but that you would prefer that the fly the American flag upside down? I guess I would have to thank God after all … that you absolutely don’t have the ability to convert anyone. That doesn’t take away from that you would … if only you could! Which goes to show intent…

People who have their own flag poles can fly whatever they want. If I had a flag pole, I would fly the Christian flag. If I flew the American flag, it would be under the Christian flag, and upside down, as a symbol of distress, because I believe the US is in distress. No government, that I know of, flies a Christian flag at all. Only American and state flags.

You have no reason to claim that I would convert anyone, if I could. You cannot force people to believe anything, as far as I know. People can only convert to Christianity if they want to.

I have no problem with anyone who flies the Christian flag such as these North Carolina bible-thumping Baptists/Evangelicals zealots who fly the Christian flag over the American flag to protest same-sex marriage do. Just spare me your fake concern about this country being in distress (which it surely is with Drumph and the GOP in the presidency) because of gay marriages! Particularly being that you don’t give a shit about this country being on the brink of civil and nuclear war, that over 9 million children and over 30 million adults will be losing their health care, that racism is back in full force, and that the ultra-rich will now be subsidized by the poor! All you care about is White power/privilege, and the persecution of gays, blacks, Muslims, and the poor — or for that matter anyone who doesn’t believe in the KJB!!!

Margarite, Apparently, you think everyone’s money belongs to the “poor”. The fact is, tax reductions are for those who pay taxes with their own money. The money belongs to them. If the government does not take as much from them, then they can keep more of THEIR money. It was theirs to start with.

Saving money on taxes has nothing to do with hate or greed. You are free to give all of your money to the government, if you want. And you are free to give it to anyone else you want. If you feel guilty about the taxes you don’t have to pay, then you can always give it away!

” Saving money on taxes has nothing to do with hate or greed. You are free to give all of your money to the government, if you want. And you are free to give it to anyone else you want. If you feel guilty about the taxes you don’t have to pay, then you can always give it away! ”

These trumpanzees sure are an ignoramus subspecies. They really think that Drumph’s tax cuts are going to benefit them, and refuse to listen to everybody else who knows that the only ones who are getting tax cuts are the ultra-rich and Corporate America, while everybody else’s taxes are due for a substantial increase. I mean, how else do they think that the war machine will get financed. But hey! They are the ones who are blinded by greed! Just wait till they realize that they’ve been duped, just about the same time that millions of angry anti-Drumph/GOP Americans who outnumber them in droves and who also own guns (after all America is a gun culture) begin facing the widespread poverty that these A-holes brought about by voting for Drumph and the uber-greedy GOP. I can just see what will happen when the likes of Gory cops an attitude and in all his glorious stupidity threatens them with “bring it on!” How much do you want to bet that they’ll start crying just like the Oh… So BRAVE Christopher Cantwell who boasted with his boner courage about how he was going to the gym and lifting weights so that he could better kick ass as seen in this segment:https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/433vkq/watch-the-vice-news-tonight-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror

Want to come get me Gory? Go ahead! Just be aware that I wouldn’t recommend it, being that my black partner who is in exceptionally good shape and packs one hell of a lot of REAL power in his gorgeous physique, is very protective of me, and won’t appreciate a punny little wimp like you wanting to hurt with his woman! So please do take my advise and back off, as you really don’t want to be messing with him, who BTW will be the one making all the rules!

Yes! Gory… My partner is black, and unlike you, he is one of the most compassionate, loving, and forgiving people I have ever known, who in spite of all the racial stigmatization and disadvantages leveled against him and his family doesn’t a mean bone in his body nor hates anyone. Not to say that if you or anyone else for that matter would assault me, he wouldn’t defend me. And while I am certain that in your fetid soul and putrid mind, you’ll think of sorts of horrid things about me for being in an intraracial relationship, nothing will change that I love him with all my heart, as he does me. So have at it and go ahead and eat your heart out lamenting the fact that within less than 50 years this country’s population will be vastly of mixed race, while your hatred eats at your soul.

And no! Contrary to what your egregious racial profiling would make you believe, he is neither a drug dealer nor a thug. In fact, he is a highly educated and well-known artist and art teacher, whose award-winning paintings hang in a number of famous galleries and museums.

Now Frank is trying to prove Roy Moore is guilty by referring to Bible verses, which, by the way have nothing to do with the point he is trying to make. That’s rich since Frank doesn’t believe the Bible. He’s just trying to use it to get Christians to not vote for Roy Moore.

Thats even richer in light of the fact that neither do you ! By your own words and lies you’ve exposed yourself from your first comment to be a Blaspheming Heretical Hypocrital Gnostic * preferring the words and teachings of inbred obese white trash stupidity over and above the Words of God & Christ and the Truth of Scripture .. which makes you either

A) A pagan and in your own words an infidel at best

… or ..

B ) .. You’re nothing more than a pathetic little troll making threats and accusations hiding behind a screen desperate for attention Cutting & Pasting Alt Right Make America White Again propaganda and social media in the futile attempt to give meaning to your otherwise meaningless little life .

All signs including in depth linguistic analysis and identification pointing towards

B

* Making claim to secret messages and hidden meanings as well as adding to the Words of the Bible is the very definition of Gnosticism .. which is completely contrary to Christianity

Ahhh .. what part of the fact that a PhD and an MD are two completely different things does your feeble inept little troll like mind not comprehend ?

Never mind that my PhD as stated multiple times is in Systematic Theology w/Emphasis in Biblical Apologetics and Philosophy of Religion

Good lord … you truly are an incompetent little child … aren’t you !

But back to issues of discovery . Funny thing Bryson .. I and my two friends within the IFB have scoured the memberships roles of each and every IFB church across the lower 48 Hawaii and Alaska … with nary a Gary Bryson … Gary Neil Bryson ( which is what your IP is registered as ) .. nor even a Gary S. Bryson

Martin, I am currently not a member of the Baptist church I attend. But, I doubt the church I attend would release its membership roll to anyone. I know several other churches that wouldn’t do that either. So you might think you have valid information on every Baptist church, but you’re probably wrong again.

Care to give me more information about yourself? Your location, or any other information that would help me identify you?

” Martin, I am currently not a member of the Baptist church I attend. But, I doubt the church I attend would release its membership roll to anyone. I know several other churches that wouldn’t do that either. So you might think you have valid information on every Baptist church, but you’re probably wrong again.”

So you lied about being a member of several IFB churches as well . In as far as the membership roles of each and every IFB church over the past ten years … that you lied about being a member of … its all in the national data base and all was provided by two high ranking friends/officials within the IFB .. partly because they want to sit your miserable little lying *ss down in order to discuss your behaviors and claims

” Care to give me more information about yourself? Your location, or any other information that would help me identify you? ”

No no little chickens**t troll boy … adults make the rules … chickens**t troll boy/girl children follow them

And to what end ? So you can post that information on what ever alt right Make America White again social media you live within ? Cause hell chickens**t troll … its not like you’ll be coming out from behind the safety of your precious little screen

By the way … my congratulations … you actually have managed to shove that vile foot of yours down your sodomized throat even deeper today

Martin, independent Baptist churches where I live are not a member of any group. That’s why they are called independent. And they don’t release their membership to anyone. So, you don’t know who is a member of those churches.

I have, in the past, been a member of a Southern Baptist church, and a couple of independent Baptist Churches. I never said I am a member of the church I attend now. So, I didn’t lie about anything.

And for the record .. on the very odd chance that there is anything even remotely real or authentic about you … do ma a favor .. pass my words on to your blasphemous no doubt grotesquely obese lying pos posting as a minister of the Word

” It works for me that you don’t know who I am. Or where I am. Kind of funny to watch you make wrong guesses, especially when you think you are right”

So you finally admit that you are nothing more than a little chickens**t troll hiding behind sock puppets and a screen too afraid to make yourself known …. hmmm … interesting .. if it were not for the fact that Ms Abadie and I already know … who the multiple you’s … are ..

” No, you don’t. You just think you do. Most of what you think you know is false. You know my first and last name, and some of my beliefs, but not much else ”

Y’all jes keep on believing what you’re believing little one . What ever gets you thru your meaningless and vapid little day … and just remember .. Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t watching you just waiting for the right moment …

Well Gory… If in these extraordinarily contentious times, you post things like wanting to arrange a civil war after boasting about owning guns that you refuse to register and being an expert on how to use them, to go along with your numerous threats and your racist/homophobic sentiments, not only are you inviting to police to keep you under their radar but you re also inviting the FBI to keep a watch on you. That you seem oblivious to the fact that no one is anonymous on the Internet and compulsively continue with your tirades, is proof positive that you are psychotic, and as such potentially a very dangerous individual.

Of course you are child . Somewhere within the depths of your deluded and depraved little mind .. of course you are …..

But hey … as a gesture of Christian charity . A very small tiny albeit probably useless to your capabilities of understanding … little hint .

You might wanna learn something about the realities of online / digital security theater … especially when you’re stupid and inept enough to be using a standard network / provider with your adventures in troll land rather than making use of a VPN … even if you are trying to ‘ daisy chain ‘ your posts .

And ahh … suffice it … ” revenge is a dish best served cold “.. is a motto well worth taking heed of

BWTM little one – In the ADULT world of of debate , accusation and argument …

At the point where one makes claim to upholding and believing in a certain standard , ethic , beliefs or set of rules ( as Roy fat boy Moore has by claiming he is a Christian ) … one opens the door for one’s opposition to hold you to those standards , ethics , beliefs , rules …

.. regardless of whether or not the opposition believes in or upholds those standards ethics beliefs or rules … him/herself

Before accusing someone of not being a “good Christian”, one should know what it means to be a “good Christian”. Wicked perverts like Frank Schaeffer have no clue what being a Christian means. Therefore, he is unqualified to accuse anyone of failing to be a Christian.

And may I remind you chickens**t troll boy that Frank back in the 70’s and 80’s was considered to be a stalwart and committed Christian in the company of the most prominent Christians of the day who’s father was perhaps the BEST Biblical Apologist of the day ( until he went down the Rabbits hole of the Christian never Right ) … and that Frank was considered the rightful heir to his fathers legacy

Oh … and by the way dumb*ss … Back in the 80’s Frank was among the most vocal in opposing both Abortion ( making several films against it as well as his writings ) .. and homosexuality

Which means to be blunt … Frank knows more about the Bible and what being a Christian means than you’ll ever be capable of learning …

…. and also means … you know nothing what so ever about Frank … his writings films etc … or the journey he has been on

In other words chickens**t troll boy .. as with everything else

You … Know …. Nothing

So … care to stuff that inbred foot of yours down your throat once again .. or are your gender identity crisis issues keeping you too busy … DiaBryCourt

When Frank was pretending to be a Christian, he was, in reality, a lost unrepentant sinner who didn’t believe the things he was saying. If Frank had ever been a real Christian, he would still be. But he isn’t now, which proves he never was. Much like you.

” When Frank was pretending to be a Christian, he was, in reality, a lost unrepentant sinner who didn’t believe the things he was saying. If Frank had ever been a real Christian, he would still be. But he isn’t now, which proves he never was. Much like you ”

AH… Yes! What exactly does it mean to be a “good Christian”? That, of course, depends on who you ask!

According to the vast majority of people… To be a good Christian means to be compassionate towards the less fortunate, and always come from a place of love in all that you do.

However, according to sexually frustrated Gory, to be a “good Christian” means the following:

– Hate everybody, in particular homosexual, blacks, and Muslims, and have a wish to see them persecuted and worse.

– Recent paying taxes that would subsidize the less fortunate.

– Turn your back on the suffering of others, and not give a shit about their pain.

– Threaten others who don’t subscribe to his doctrine with violence, and boast about owning guns and his willingness and ability to use them.

– Have the false belief that only those who believe in KJB, are “good Christians” and that all those who follow the teaching in other bibles, and/or are of others faiths, are doomed to burn in hell for eternity.

– Support and empower pedophiles, sexual predators, and those who condone torture.
Have a desire for civil and nuclear war.

Etc… Etc… Etc…

OH! AND ABOVE ALL ELSE… RENOUNCE AND DENOUNCE ANY AND ALL SEXUAL PRACTICES FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLEASURE, AND “ONLY” ENGAGE IN COITUS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF PROCREATION, PREFERABLY USING A SHEET/BLANKET WITH A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE TO MINIMIZE ENJOYMENT.

Ahhh … but the Bible … even the KJB does not apply to the likes of DiaBrycourt and Roy Moore … they being god’s ( small case ‘g’ ) unto themselves

So heres one for you Ms Abadie . Did you know that a major reason why ole King James had the Bible rewritten ( specifically the NT ) was to specially counter and put down the Anabaptist movement in England that later became the Baptists upon coming to America ?

Ironic aint it then that a few rare and deluded IFB churches would be stupid enough to solely make use of the very Bible that was intended to destroy them and their entire movement .

FYI ; Part of the reason why the majority of Baptist denominations ( and seminaries ) both financially supported and then made use of the NASB ..with several down the road then supporting and adapting the NIV .. is because they know what the background and history of the KJB was .

Cost of the average American ( though no doubt built in Mexico China Korea or Canada )

Double the current cost … plus

And thats just a minute snapshot of how much daily life of each and every US citizen is being subsidized by the American tax payer … the majority of the burden ( before this new tax reform /disaster ) falling upon those like myself in the $101,000 plus income range

With once the reform is passed and signed .. the majority of the burden falling upon all those in the $100,000 or less income bracket .. as me and mine’s taxes become reduced .. substantially

So please Ms Abadie .. remind me … why am I fighting so hard for those about to be hurt the most that chose the elected officials in power .. when in fact I and my entire family , friends and associates … will benefit .. greatly ?

Ahhhh .. genuine authentic Biblical Christianity … Christ wasn’t just whistling Dixie when he said it was a damn hard narrow path to follow .. with many pretending while few succeed

While I am no scholar on biblical matters, my understanding of Jesus’ famous ‘render unto Caesar’ saying flummoxed his opponents, and to this days leaves today’s Christians scratching their heads. But to answer, I would share the opinion of those who know more on the subject, that the question put to Jesus was a trap. Either a yes or no answer would have gotten Jesus into trouble. “Yes” would have discredited him with those who found the imperial domination system reprehensible and unacceptable. “No” would have made him subject to arrest for sedition. Jesus responded in a deliberately enigmatic way in order to avoid the trap set by his opponents. His response was never meant to be figured out. Rather, in this passage as in several others, we see his deft debating skill. As such, this text offers little or no guidance for tax season. It neither claims taxation is legitimate nor gives aid to anti-tax activists. It neither counsels universal acceptance of political authority nor its reverse.
And yes! As we’ve discussed on previous threads, I am very aware that ole King James had the Bible rewritten (specifically the New Testament) was to especially counter and put down the Anabaptist movement in England that later became the Baptists upon coming to America. Which in a nutshell makes Gory the epitome of someone who will cut off his nose to spite his face.

Oh… Geeeeeeezzzz TJ… Why would you try so hard for those about to be hurt the most that chose the elected officials in power .. when in fact you and your entire family, friends, and associates … will benefit .. greatly?

Ummmmmmmmm…. Let’s see… Could that perhaps be that unlike Gory and his crew of sock puppets who don’t give a shit about the lives of the less fortunate and the future of this country, and instead pine about the days when this country was a White man’s heaven to be exploited at will… You, Frank, I, and so many others who have the means and/or the time, actually CARE about what happens?

” As such, this text offers little or no guidance for tax season. It neither claims taxation is legitimate nor gives aid to anti-tax activists. It neither counsels universal acceptance of political authority nor its reverse ”

Though the Pharisees were attempting to lay a trap ..

Actually when read in the original Aramaic of Matthew … confirmed by a majority of the Koine translations of the original Aramaic … Christ in His answer gave a direct imperative command .. not an ambiguous or veiled response … give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s

Then ..

When that is combined combined with all the relevant and related texts thru out the NT from Acts on in regards to obeying civil authorities etc ( Hermeneutics 101 ) … there is no question of ambiguity etc … one is duty bound as long as one lives within ones mortal coil to pay the taxes levied by the civil authorities in the land one lives in as a Christian

So please … don’t go ” Putting Out Fire with Gasoline ” with misinterpretations based on someone else’s bias and agenda they not having taken the time and effort to go back to the source .

Ms Abadie – In addendum to my reply on the issues of taxes and Matt 22:21

Pardon me if you are already aware of this … but do you understand what the common zeitgeist of the Jews in Christs time ( and before ) was ?

Suffice it to say after centuries of placing all their focus on the plethora of commentary upon commentary on top of commentary all but ignoring the Tanakh ( Tora / OT ) other than for ceremonial readings etc …

.. and after centuries of having been conquered and occupied by several forces ..

.. they had themselves convinced that their Christ ( Savior ) would come to save them from their earthy peril ( their current overlords the Romans ) and not from their eternal peril and perdition that they thought they had no need of saving from .. due to their being steeped in a hypocrisy of their own making ( sound familiar ? )

Thus much of what the Pharisees were hoping for when confronting Christ on the issue of taxes was … proof that He was their earthly savior …. which He was not .. not trying to trap Him .

Or as I say when engaged in this or that argument how its the Christians right and place to change the world politically or militarily

How is you as a mere human incapable of changing anything including yourself would dare make claim to trying to or having the right to change the World .. when Christ who was both God and Man .. and could have changed the world with a mere thought … did not ?

Reformation Theology 101 .. not to be mistaken with what passes as Calvinism in the US that is in fact .. Hyper Calvinism

” You, Frank, I, and so many others who have the means and/or the time, actually CARE about what happens? ”

Yeah … we’re all just a bunch of lefty looney idiots … ( despite some of us like myself being pretty damn conservative albeit Biblically consecrative on many issues and coming from many different angles ) … aint we .. ( sarcasm most definitely intended )

Why is it every time you’ve firmly shoved your foot down your sodomized throat and you’re getting your virtual little chickens**t troll @** kicked and your back is again the wall ….

… you immediately run and hide behind your little girl alter ego sock puppets dresses praying the world is as stupid as you are and won’t notice the obvious .. never mind take the time to do a linguistic analysis and identification ?

So now we have the Diana Marie , Simone & Bryson Sock puppets on Ice Show .. with Courtney being substituted by its stand in .. Simone .. who oddly enough uses the exact same words and accusations as Courtney .. golly … how can that be .

” We are so fortunate that Martin, Abadie, Schaeffer, etc. really care about America. Just look at all the nice things they say about those who disagree with them! With friends like these…….. ”

Thats pretty damn hypocritical in light of your constant stream of insults , false accusations and erroneous UnBiblical condemnations since the moment you first appeared on this site … rejecting every attempt at civil discourse with your plethora of inane insults and infantile behavior

But ..

Perhaps if you made so much as the slightest attempt to behave in an authentic , mature , civil , ethical and moral manner …

… and perhaps if you did not continually resort to the use of pre-puescent social media tactics such as multiple sock puppets … petty and infantile insults etc …

.. and perhaps if you were to show a modicum of respect for both your elders as well as your betters ( both are Biblical mandates )

.. not to mention if perhaps jut once you were to get your facts straight before engaging in an argument / discussion

… but more importantly perhaps if you were commenting and replying in order to engage in genuine conversation , discussion and debate rather that solely for the purpose of spreading propaganda and lies you barely comprehend

… then … we would no longer fell the need to treat you like the immature , rank , vile and immoral little hypocritical lying troll that you by your own words you make yourself out to be

But as long as you continue with your current tactics lies and bs … like Christ in the Temple I for one will continue to take the scourge to you at every turn ..

In closing … though we’d never chose to be your ‘ friends ‘ ( unless like Paul on the road to Damascus a gigant shift in morality and Biblical accuracy were to suddenly overcome you ) ..

.. we are like it or not the only real allies you have … as Trump .. the GOP and the so called Religious Right do their damnedest to eliminate all aspects of morality and ethics tossing the concept of a Moral Majority right out the door … while stealing from the poor and the middle class in order to make the rich … even richer

Question is … why do I/we bother ? A question I’m personally having a harder time answering by the minute .. especially as I stand to benefit from the Creature from the Black Lagoon and his legions of swamp creatures every move

Oh well … It has been duly warned … Damocles sword is dangling precipitously over It’s collective head … with a thread destined to break bringing untold consequences upon It and those around it .. unless It … changes It’s ways … and quickly .

True enough! But I doubt they will change, as their desire for an Alt-Left war is way too entrenched in them, all of them idolizing their new “god” Drumph and his ties to the Russian Kremlin who have since surpassed Germany to become the racist ideal for Trump-loving white supremacists.

On that note, here is an article that was written about a year ago that touches on the subject, which should make it crystal clear why all these nutjobs Drumph’s supporters refuse to see any wrongdoing about Drumph’s ties to Russia.

And they still see themselves as anti-leftists!!! Which is hysterically funny, because the reality is that they are no longer the Alt-Right. In fact, they have morphed, without even knowing it, into the White Nationalist Alt-Left!

…. and … as of today .. the IOC has banned Russia entirely from the 2018 Winter Games … because they’re such a nice upright , ethical and moral country .

Hell… Russia has never been our friend or ally nor has Putin in reality ever left the KGB now the FSB FIS FSS . As proof ? Putin re-establsihed the KGB in its entirety including the name when he over ran Ossetia

Simple fact . Though DiaBryCourtInone are nothing more than a troll and its sock puppet alter egos ( more to be revealed later ) It does express the very essence of ;

Actually… If you look at the time stamps of Gory’s post above to that of D. Mario’s post on the false “evils” of Planned Parenthood… There is but one minute difference. I guess Gory must be really butthurt about all the tax bill protests going on in High Point NC.

Time stamps . Easily accomplished on this site with two devices seeing how the security here is somewhat … lax ( not t mention devoid of moderation ) … and on more secure sites one on WiFi the other hard wired does the trick .

The question is … how does our little Troll and its sock puppet minions reconcile the GOP one minute screaming about abortion .. while the very next cutting off the CHIP program ( Children’s Health and Insurance Program ) that provides health care to children and pregnant women choosing to take the pregnancy to term entirely

Ban abortion … and then cut off the programs giving women the option to keep their child . Kind of hypocritical … ehh ?

” That link you sent me was from another planet from the one I live on – I wish to live in peace – he was a peace maker ”

Sorry but that comment makes no sense Nine . The whole point of the Erasmus option is to live in peace among the carnage and destruction … as is my Isaac Walton option . The point of both being … here’s how saints in days past dealt with similar situations .. therefore how might their actions and decisions apply to what we’re contending with .. today .. not following them .

But a correction if I may … Christ is Judge , Jury and Executioner as well as Peace Maker … stating by His own Words that those who follow Him will be hated as His presence drives a dividing wedge between the hypocrites and the saints … Therefore … one without the other and you have no Christ at all … just a vague human concoction barely resembling the Christ of the Bible

” 1There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace “

PS; Avoid the Francis Scaheffer videos like the plague and read his books or listen to his audio lectures instead . Suffice it to say the media was never a friend to Francis ( and in fact helped create the travesty he later became ) … with both Francis and Frank never having gotten a grip as to how to make use of the media … versus having the media blatantly use them … in a myriad of untold ways

Frank is now complaining about the Wall Street Journal. The WSJ is controlled by the “Establishment”, whose agenda is anti-Trump. Frank agrees with the Establishment on most issues, which is why Frank is so anti-Trump.

Go stuff your inbred substance addled white trash propaganda where the sun never shines along with that head of yours that hasn’t seen the light of day since the day after you were born … idiot !

The WSJ is owed by Murdoch … as in FoxNews etc Murdoch .. and although the WSJ unlike the rest of Murdoch’s publishing and broadcasting empire does not go out of its way to promote alt right white trash propaganda and lies ( which both Murdoch’s know are lies ) in order to bolster sales … the WSJ still holds to Murdoch’s Make the Rich Richer version of conservatism

So get a clue ***t for brains … Frank is against Trump because unlike yourself and the rest of the Collective Stupidity of America minority ( less than 30% as of today ) Frank has a brain . Whereas you ? Suffice it to say if you had a brain cell left in your little troll head the poor thing would die of loneliness

News Corporation (officially referred to and trading as News Corp) is an American multinational mass media company, formed as a spin-off of the former News Corporation (as founded by Rupert Murdoch in 1979) focusing on newspapers and publishing.[2] It is one of two companies which succeeded the former News Corporation, alongside 21st Century Fox—which consists of the old News Corporation's broadcasting and media properties, such as Fox Entertainment Group. The spin-out was structured so that 21st Century Fox would be the legal successor and continuation of the old News Corporation, with the new News Corp being an entirely new company formed by a stock split.

Rupert Murdoch is the establishment . And not just the establishment but with that ‘ Sir ‘ before both is and his fathers name … Antipode – Common Wealth – British Aristocratic ( Royalty ) Elite Establishment .

And .. Rupert Murdoch is NewsCorp .. NewsCorp is FoxNews … as well as the WSJ etc . And with Murdoch and his sons being the authoritarian despots that they are .. guaranteed not so much as a mouse’s fart escapes their attention or control .

And truth be known the only thing Establishment Elite Sir Rupert Murdoch gives a damn about is making money . Not you .. your kind .. or even a semblance of anything so much as resembling an anti establishment never mind politics … money is his and his son’s sole concern .

Fact is … if FoxNews’s ratings were to drop .. oh say … 25% .. guaranteed within a week the entire alt right crew and staff of FoxNews from Hannity on down would be handed their pink slips to be replaced by the most liberal crew Murdoch could hire ,

Which means .. as with Neo Populist Trump .. ( neo indicting he is a pretend populist ) you and your kind are being played like a cheap violin to the tune of ” Let Make the Rich even Wealthier ”

So knowing that you’ve been conned by the elitist of the elite establishment .. assuming you’re capable of dealing with the truth … in the words of the bard ( Bob Dylan )

” How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown “

Wall Street is establishment ? Trump is establishment you fool … from the top of his bad combover head .. to the bottoms of his orange gout riddled bloated feet .

And if for a moment you think Trump gives a NYC rats posterior about scum like you .. you’ve got a hard lesson ahead little man as Trump steals from the poor and the middle class to give to the rich .. his and his father Fred the Slumlord Trump since day one

Bryson … since you’re being reasonably civil …when it comes to politics and business

RULE NUMBER ONE .. and in fact the only rule that counts

Follow the Money .. and regardless of what the people behind the money may tell you believe what following the money is revealing .. in this case Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp

Alos

You are under the popular albeit very uninformed and misguided misconception that there is only one kind of an ‘ establishment ‘

The simple reality is … there are many . e.g. Political – Financial – Religious – Intellectual – Academic etc

The other reality is that more often than not the lines are blurred between the many forms of establishment . But the most grievous misconception that you and far too many in this country hold onto is that they .. as in you .. are not part of an establishment yourself

But the more important misconception is .. like the so called ‘ Dark State ‘ .. the reality is … there is no definable and discernible Establishment . A whole lotta grey maybe but nothing so much as resembling the B&W ‘ establishment ‘ the propaganda in the pursuit of profit is shoving down your throat

So how you ask can the ‘ establishment ‘ appear to be both for and against Trump ? Money & Power .. plain and simple . They back him when it suits them ( FoxNews/NewsCorp ) and walk away when and if it doesn’t . Which means .. mark my words and remember what I’m about to say ;

At the moment Trump’s star falls from the sky .. everyone you think is anti establishment and on your side will switch sides so fast your head will spin … leaving the likes of the Alt Right .. Brietbart .. the Religious ( never ) Right etc wallowing in the mud as they watch their relevancy disappear into the void from whence it came . Cause it aint real !

But the ultimate truth pertaining to this discussion is .. Rupert Murdoch is playing the general population right and religious ( never ) right like a bunch of fools … to his own and his media empire’s profit and all others including your detriment . As is … your bloviating Neo-Populist Trump who will and in fact has in the past sold his own family down the river when he sees a profit in doing so

Welcome to the Adult World of Reality and the Verifiable Indisputable Facts … harsh a place as it is

” You mean the establishment really likes Trump, but they are pretending not to? Why would they do that? ”

But heres a few better questions to be asking yourself ;

1) Why did the German Roman Catholic and Protestant churches as well as the Ecumenical Protestant churches Worldwide including the US evangelicals support Hitler ?

2) Why did the Russian Orthodox churches support the former Soviet Union despite all the atrocities it committed from 1943 on and stands firmly behind Putin regardless of all his evils ?

3) Why did the Baptist church stand in support of slavery in the 1800’s bringing about the Civil War … and among todays alt baptist congregations .. still does ?

4) Why did the US Evangelicals both endorse and financially support the mass genocides across Central and South America .. using their parishioners donations to do so ?

5) Why in light of Trump’s long standing public record of narcism , immoral , lascivious and disgusting behavior does the Evangelical and Fundamentalist protestant churches in America stand in support of Trump ?

6) And why what with his 40 year long record of illegal and immoral behavior incising many jail sentences and convictions does the religious ( never ) right support Roy Moore ?

Why ? Because the only thing that matters or mattered to any of them .. was /is the pursuit of money and power .. not the Truth ..

So once again .. welcome to the adult word of reality history and the facts . Its a damn ugly place to negotiate ( as Scripture and Christ said it would be ) … but till the 2nd Coming thats the reality we’re stuck with .

And all the delusions … wishful thinking … reaching back for a past that never existed , fear mongering and hatred aint a gonna change that reality one bit

And on the subject of reaching back … thats Biblically both unwise ( Israel wanting to go back to Egypt ) and unadvisable ( Lot’s wife )

1. I don’t know.
2. I don’t know.
3. I don’t know any Baptists today who support slavery. If there are any, I don’t know who they are.
4. If that happened, it didn’t happen in any church I attended. So, I don’t know the answer.
5. Because he is a better choice than Hellary.
6. I don’ t think Roy Moore has a record of immoral behavior. I don’t believe his accusers.

TJ… Not sure if you’ve read “The Age of American Unreason” by Susan Jacoby. If you haven’t, it is an excellent read that outlines the War on American Intellectualism/Rationalism, or what is also known as The Dumbing Down of America, which started back in the 1950’s.

To wit, it is no surprise that poor old Gory answered “I don’t know” to your 4 first questions. And therein the whole point of the effects of ignorance! Simply put, he doesn’t know much of anything and is too dumb, numb, AND lazy to even make it his business, if not for himself, then for the future of his children, to even question whether or not he has been duped. I mean, chances are he hasn’t even read the Constitution in its entirety and is oblivious to the fact that there is absolutely NO mention of either god nor Jesus in it ANYWHERE! And instead falsely believe that Christianity was established in the Constitution as the official government religion.

I would ask him when was the last time he read any sort of book that wasn’t the bible (which we know he reads most sparingly), or watched any documentaries on TV as opposed to reruns of the reality TV shows such as “Bring back Down East Dickering.”

I bet if you asked him why is Drumph better than Hillary, he wouldn’t be able to give you an answer with any concrete substance other than she is a Democrat, and endlessly parrot her e-mails faux-pas, the Benghazi deaths, and of course the fake and beyond absurd Pizzagate scandal fed to him by Russian trolls.

Abadie, Yes, I am a product of government schools. That’s
why I don’t know more than I do.

I liked Down East Dickering.

Trump is better than Hillary because he might appoint conservative judges, which the left is complaining that he is doing. Hellary would have appointed only liberals, which would be bad for the country.

In other words, as long as gays, Blacks, and other people of color don’t have equal rights to White Evangelicals/Baptists, you’re OK with being royally F*cked up the @ss.

Sure hope your family only restores antique cars as a hobby, because if they are still looking to make some money from their work and efforts, you better all stop listening to Drumph’s lies and start watching your wallets…

But of course… because in your book there is no such thing as “rights” only privileges, and we all know that just the sight of a gay person or a person of color would ruin your otherwise pristine landscape. But whatever! Just do yourself a favor, and make sure that you don’t get screwed out of your hard earned money, or you’ll wind up sitting on the sidelines of the landscape with no means by which to enjoy it, stuck with a whole bunch of vintage cars that no one can afford obstructing your view.

To reduce this to partisanship seems make this a partisan is the height of hypocrisy. When storms brought devastation, basic human needs were ignored and sacrificed while a $700 billion military budget passed without opposition.

It’s fine to highlight GOP budgetary profligacy; but I can’t seem to find the permanent campaign to educate and rally the population against it. Could it be that what separates the two, big business parties is the few points difference by which they propose to slash taxes for the wealthy, and the fact that the petty bourgeoisie party wants more inclusion and say in the process?