UFO's the product of Western nations not aliens

Even if Nazi Germany had the propulsion techniques and materials available to build these Haunebu craft they were sadly lacking in other fields such
as the life support systems that would have also have been a requirement for them to reach the Moon/Mars or outer/upper atmospheric sustained
flight.

They were experimenting on prisoners in order to understand how lower pressures or sudden depressurization affected the human body. Their intent was
to create a space suite or pressure suit. Medical science today still thrives on the carcass of the Nazi medical experiments, just like rocket science
still thrives on the carcass of Project Paperclip.

Sorry I meant to say, that when the USAF pilots first observed them, they called them Foo fighters.
I'm not claiming they were the very first to witness them. Though it did read like that, sorry.

I thought the star of Bethlehem was meant to be Venus or a comet? I could be wrong, but its more likely than a UFO
there are some interesting accounts from the past that could be UFO phenomena though, there have been some very interesting threads about it right
here on ATS.

Sorry I meant to say, that when the USAF pilots first observed them, they called them Foo fighters.
I'm not claiming they were the very first to witness them. Though it did read like that, sorry.

I thought the star of Bethlehem was meant to be Venus or a comet? I could be wrong, but its more likely than a UFO
there are some interesting accounts from the past that could be UFO phenomena though, there have been some very interesting threads about it right
here on ATS.

Hahaha no need to be sorry. It should be me apologising, I sounded like a Nazi

Sure, the Yank pilots were seeing the ufo orbs swarming around their
planes and gave them the name Foo Fighters.

So now they did not just harness the power of anti gravitic propulsion but somehow managed to lick the anti inertia problem? In as much as i wish this
were the case the problems just seem insurmountable given the material constants of the time.

Anti gravity propulsion or otherwise, you are still required to orbit a body before landing on one, thats just how celestial orbital mechanics work
i'm afraid. As to our human brain and eyesight being able to be the guidance system, at the kind of velocity's we are talking about to reach the Moon
within an hour, i dont buy it.

It's the other way around. It removes something which as a side effect causes inertia, and via that gravity. One stone can kill four birds even
though they were only aiming for one.

And the craziest part. They weren't even looking into "anti gravity or inertial reduction" when they made the discovery but something else. A lot
was learned that day. What the unexpected results of the tests demonstrated lead the scientists to another discovery or more like a confirmation and
THAT was the dangerous one and hence why they gotta keep it all secret.

A lot of the sciences dealing with it are kept classified because you could even with good intentions accidentally blow up half your city on accident.
Not with the "anti grav" bit the inevitable discovery you'll make shortly after if you understand the underlying mechanism behind it.

Nowadays they use something else involving light that I won't go into to achieve similar effects. it's much safer but still not something you would
want falling into the hands of the average joe either. I think all nations that understand the technology behind it and even academia have probably
tacitly agreed to keep it on the down low.

Thanks for a great thread, I believe to be very important information as the more I grow, learn, develop... the more I see that in fact, it's been
humans the entire time.

I made a comment in a previous post; how our military advancement was a parallel path with that of "UFOS" , which also became more advanced as the
years/decades went by.

Also explains why military have been on top of everything regarding ufo sightings, contactees etc... the "men in black" which was conveniently made
after said experiences of men wearing black uniforms like CIA.

My personal view at this moment; extraterrestrial is and has always been here.
While humans were accelerating their knowledge, wisdom, and mental capacity of sciences of the universe... there was a breakthrough manipulating
natural force, which was then shut down, muted to public spheres, and carried on as to what we call "black projects".

The deeper aspects of our military and intelligence.

Would also explain why the CIA is hell bent on global spying, mapping, and relations. Why we went to the moon in the first place.

Me thinks there is something natural that is being manipulated and allowing anti gravity properties.

It's like electricity. A neutral force that exists in all living things, especially planet-biology, somehow we learned to tap, harness, and
manipulate this NATURAL energy, to give all tech "life"or electricity.

Interesting, public perception and wisdom is decades behind thone REALLY in control.

originally posted by: moebius
John Keeley was a scammer. His weights levitated with the help of compressed air.

The only source for Louis Rotas airship seems to be a single article in a news paper submitted by a private corespondent.

Schaubergers implosion motor is a water pump.

Brown has been measuring ionic wind.

Vril and Thule stuff is neo-nazi mysticism. The origin seems to be an article from Willy Ley (a german-american science writer) published 1947 in
"Astounding Science Fiction" called "Pseudoscience in Naziland" which described crackpot science promoted by nazis in support of their racial
doctrines. 1962 it was picked up in an esoteric book called "Le Matin des Magiciens" leaving out the critical pseudo parts, and quickly adopted by the
neo-nazi scene.

Suppose we have left this rock, those who have would inherently have the more sophisticated tech. Certain elements on earth would share the same tech.

Daemons are another avenue requiring some serious pursuit as well. There is a whole other dimension or two that is simply not be considered. It really
needs to be.

there is clearly another species or entity that harness its energy or life force from the energy created in this dimension, that I have no doubt.
Everything is relative is it not? A cycle begets a cycle. Energy is always converted.......period. (Or again conversion of energy would be a lack
there of)

Inertia is caused by an external source of gravity acting on a mass in acceleration, a craft that produces its own gravity is independent of such
forces thus it is able to do 90 degree turns at high velocity without killing the passengers. It is not under free-fall when it approaches a planet
like a shuttle. It is free to move at whatever velocity the pilot chooses since it is its own source of gravity.

I rather enjoyed this thread up until the inevitable fictional/mythical connotations. You will have to prove Atlantis existed before moving
further.

a reply to: surfer_soul
There would certainly be much to be gained from hidden technology, such as resource allocation control, power advantage, controlling mythos. Think
about the power wielded by ancient priests with knowledge of eclipses, threatening to blot out the sun...

If you like the notion of breakaway civilizations descended from the Nazis, and Nazi invention of flying discs as means of control, I suggest finding
the book series by Joseph Farrel, it's a rather fascinating and logic-driven read (if poorly edited).

Your free to enjoy the parts of this thread and disregard anything that you don't proof for something that is literally above top secret is not
possible.

In regard to power advantage and resources you are correct, by giving this tec to other country's you give them access to the resources of space,
don't give it to them and you have the entire resources of all the planets at your sole disposal, far more valuable then any oil field on this
Earth.

Naturally give this tec to others and they will be shouting I want my share of the goods and they will be ready to go to war for that share. All the
choice places in our solar system will first be declared western territory, the bits that are left over others can fight over when the time comes. It
is no different from early explorers sticking their flag in the ground and saying I claim this land for X.

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