Remember when you said Jimmy Williams was going to be the best corner in two years time? I was with you for a minute.

Yeah I thought he was the best CB in that entire class. I think this is the year he finally puts it together though. I dont think he's been bad for the Ravens. Just hasn't been that franchise CB most of us pegged him as. But I think he'll put it all together this year and really stand out. He just has to stay healthy. Hayden is another guy I'm looking as having a solid bounce back year. Still think he'll end up being the best CB from last year's class when all is said and done.

There's always a reason when guys like that fall. He was from Va. Tech and went from a sure first-rounder to falling to the 2nd, presumably because of something off-field/work ethic. Ozzie likes to take those types (Courtney Upshaw) when they start to fall.

Ultimate draft slot can be very telling for a lot of guys. For every Eddie Lacy type, there are a bunch of LenWhales. When all 32 teams are "passing" on top talents there's usually a good reason.

There's always a reason when guys like that fall. He was from Va. Tech and went from a sure first-rounder to falling to the 2nd, presumably because of something off-field/work ethic. Ozzie likes to take those types (Courtney Upshaw) when they start to fall.

Ultimate draft slot can be very telling for a lot of guys. For every Eddie Lacy type, there are a bunch of LenWhales. When all 32 teams are "passing" on top talents there's usually a good reason.

Jimmy Smith is the guy who plays for the Ravens. He actually took a big step last year and held his own against some good WRs. He is going to have a big year next year and is going to be a good starter.

Jimmy Smith is the guy who plays for the Ravens. He actually took a big step last year and held his own against some good WRs. He is going to have a big year next year and is going to be a good starter.

Yea, I got confused myself. Jimmy Williams played for VT, got drafted by the Falcons. Local kid from Newport News. Think he lasted like 2-3 years in the league.

Why wasn't Grimes added to this list? He's no slouch in the playmaking department, and he was the ONLY starting CB last year to not allow a single TD. I would take him over Peterson any day and twice on Sunday. That being said, my vote easily goes to Sherman. He can run his mouth all he wants as long as he plays the way he does. As the great Daniel Tosh once said, "I love how all these fans are so down on touchdown celebrations. I don't care if you have a 10 minute tea party in the end zone, it's a game."

Not the Jimmy Williams that played for the 49ers in the early 2000's correct?

No, he was from Vandy I think.....slow as molasses. Was a returner too. Never really liked him. But both actually did play for the Niners tho. We gave VT Williams his last shot in the league, signing him on when Sing was the coach. It was like a tryout type of deal. He didn't even make it to TC though. Think they cut him after mini-camp or during OTAs, cant really remember. I'll see if I can find a link.

Peterson vs Sherman is difficult in the sense that Peterson's tools appear to fit more systems. Both are big CB's and great athletes, but Peterson is on another level. But Peterson will never produce at the level Sherman does. So it just depends on which D you're running. If you're running something similar to what Seattle's doing, it's Sherman, and it's not close. If you're looking for a CB to follow the best WR around the field, playing man, Peterson has the physical tools to get that done.

If you're asking who the better player is, it's Sherman, and it's not close.

Haden is a better corner than Smith buddy. Smith finally looked pretty good last year and SHOULD continue to grow as a player but Haden has been a top 10 CB AT LEAST ever since he got in the league and he only has gotten better.

I picked Sherman.. it was between him and Peterson but the size of Sherman matched with his length makes it very tough for opposing qbs and wrs to match up with him. Peterson however is more dynamic, more of a playmaker and could be reaching on this but maybe better in run support?

Also Peterson has a higher ceiling to me just based off athleticism and such.

Oh, and yeah, the Seahawks last year were a great defense due to the embarassment of riches they had at edge rusher, not because of any individual DB. Take away Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, Bruce Irvin, and Cris Clemons and that defense is average at best. Similarly, take away Richard Sherman and replace him with some other random dude and that defense keeps on ticking. Oh wait, they did that in the Super Bowl, didn't they?

Look at other Super Bowl teams in years past too. How many "elite" CBs played major roles on Super Bowl winning teams? Conversely, how many "elite" DL/OLB did? It's disproportionately skewed in favor of the latter.

That Super Bowl highlighted the problem I have with Sherman though. Marshall just lined up on the other side of the field the entire game.

Ask any CB, they'll tell you how much easier it is to cover the stud WR for 30 snaps instead of 60. It just takes 1 slip up and you got "burned"

Now reduce the number of snaps you play across that player by 50% and you don't think that will make you look better than you are? Of course it does.

Nmandi was never as good as he was advertised for the same reason and was exposed once he left Oakland. People just made assumptions about him without really breaking him down.

I don't feel that Sherman is the same extent as Nmandi, as I still feel he's the 2nd best CB in the game, but he does have flaws and we ignore them bc of the overall success of the unit.

This is my problem with your argument. Against a team like Denver who fielded Thomas, Welker, Decker and Thomas it doesnt matter where Sherman lined up. He was always facing a very good receiver. Just because Sherman isn't asked to follow the top receiver doesn't mean he can't. Yes did it week 2 against Boldin and shut him down, watch the December 2012 matchup vs Larry Fitgerald, shut him down. Ever stop to consider that maybe Maxwell and Browner aren't as good playing LCB?

Further, Sherman's stats against top WRs are still incredible. Every argument against Sherman is based on ifs and buts and imaginary scenarios. All the facts point to Sherman being the top corner in the NFL.