Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

Nope, supposing djokovic wins the final vs tsonga tomorrow, his ranking will be 10970 pts, then if he wins Shanghai he will have 11970.....so federer needs at least 165 pts from shanghai to equal that, so he needs to reach QF(180 pts), leaving him with 11985 pts.

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Exactly. So to reach 300 weeks at no 1 Federer needs to beat

- a qualifier or Zhang Ze (a young Chinese player without a lot of experience on the ATP tour)
- Wawrinka (most likely)

That of course assuming Djokovic wins Beijing and then Shanghai which is not an easy task, even for him.

- a qualifier or Zhang Ze (a young Chinese player without a lot of experience on the ATP tour)
- Wawrinka (most likely)

That of course assuming Djokovic wins Beijing and then Shanghai which is not an easy task, even for him.

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Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess...

Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess...

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Ohh, hope you're right....then i can say Federer has reached 300 weeks as number 1!!!...he's not gonna lose to Zhang or a qualy.

Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess...

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I never understood the 0-pointers for missing tournaments (or never bothered to check that correctly), I guess you're right. It means that only an earthquake can stop Federer from getting to 300 weeks at no 1.

Djokovic is not in the players entry list of the tournment, and its not in his calendar, i think he replaced basel for beijing, unles he losses early at shanghai, he will not play basel i guess.

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That could be a very smart move from him. That way he only gets to play 2 tournaments back-to-back (Beijing-Shanghai and then Paris-WTF), while Fed has to play Shanghai and then 3 tournaments back-to-back-to-back, unfortunately it just wouldn't be right for Fed to skip Basel and play Beijing instead, even though theoretically it would benefit him more in the long run.

I don't think Doha points will be counted. Since it hasn't been specified that the Olympics counts as a 500 tournament quota. We will have to wait until Monday and see, of course I hope he'll get 300 weeks.

Nope. RogerFan didn't take the 0-pointer from Tokyo last year into account. It will drop next Monday, and Federer will gain his 90 points from Doha, for a 11,895 point total. So, a single win in Shanghai will be enough. Not that he plans to stop there, I guess...

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I just read this in an article on ATP site:

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

he can stay #1 after Shangai, but the problem is if Djokovic reaches better than QF the gap between him and Rog will be even wider in the race and the race is going to match actual rankings in less then few months.

he can stay #1 after Shangai, but the problem is if Djokovic reaches better than QF the gap between him and Rog will be even wider in the race and the race is going to match actual rankings in less then few months.

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Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

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Tsonga lost last 6 matches vs Djokovic, Berdych never beat him on HC and Raonic

Murray is gonna play Basel i think so it's not going to be easy for Fed...

Yes, each tournament in which djokovic goes deep from now on is gonna be a problem for federer.

Lets suppose djokovic losses in shanghai semi to either tsonga, berdych or raonic and federer wins the title, race would be: Djoko - 10770, Fed - 9920, then if roger wins basel: Fed - 10420, so the gap between them would be of 350 pts, and the clue will be if federer skips paris or not.

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well, if Fed skips Paris that's 1000 points gone. I doubt it. If he somehow decides to skip Basel that's 500 points gone as he needs to defend both titles. He'll be doomed one way or another, and I highly doubt that Rog will win 15 matches in 3 weeks.

well, if Fed skips Paris that's 1000 points gone. I doubt it. If he somehow decides to skip Basel that's 500 points gone as he needs to defend both titles. He'll be doomed one way or another, and I highly doubt that Rog will win 15 matches in 3 weeks.

is tennis the only sport which has no point for the last point of the game, ie whats the score after 40 love when the server wins the next point

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Game. Tennis scoring is a continuum. I interpret that calling "game" after 40-0 means both that the score the server has reached is game (not game-0) and also that the threshold has been reached to put a point on the next resolution of scoring, the set score.

"Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown."

Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense.

Lol! The new rankings are out, and incredibly, Federer got another 0-pointer for Tokyo this year, as if he were listed for the tournament and didn't go (but it was never part of his schedule).

Must be because the Olympics, which were supposed to be counted as an ATP500, obviously aren't. Federer is playing three ATP500's + Olympics this year, which obviously isn't equal to four ATP500's. So he didn't get the 90 points from Doha, and, yes, he will need to reach the QF stage in Shanghai to secure the #1 ranking.

So Olympics are counted as an ATP500, yet they aren't. This just makes no sense.

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This whole thing is sounding like a student calculating how to get an A grade in a class.

"Ok, I got an A on the midterm and paper but my attendance is a bit spotty. I think I can get a C+ on the project just so long as I ace the final exam."

Its quite likely that Djokovic will get no.1 before the end of the year, as he's defending no points. Even if Federer does Fantastic and equals hs results from last year, as long as Djokovic does very well himself he'll overtake Federer.

However if Djokovic doesn't win AO13, its possible Federer will reclaim no.1 spot (especially if Djokovic loses before the final).