What really hurts me, and this shocks us, is that before there used to be a great peace movement in Israel. There was a left that made itself heard and a real desire for peace. It seems to me, and I hope that I am completely wrong, that this desire has completely vanished, as though people no longer believe in it.

Just a couple of days earlier, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman had written:

[T]he only time America has been able to advance [Arab-Israeli] peace … has been when the parties felt enough pain for different reasons that they invited our diplomacy. … Today, the Arabs, Israel and the Palestinians are clearly not feeling enough pain to do anything hard for peace with each other. … If the status quo is this tolerable for the parties, then I say, let them enjoy it.

And it was just a few weeks earlier that Friedman’s colleague, New York Times columnist Roger Cohen, claimed that in Israel:

The anxiety of the diaspora Jews has ceded not to tranquility but to another anxiety. … The annihilation psychosis has not disappeared but taken new form. … I worry when Israel makes a fetish of its exceptional status.

A people that does not want peace, is not suffering enough pain to desire peace, and has an exceptionality fetish — is this enough abuse of Israel for a short period? Obviously not. (Regarding the second of those charges, it should be noted that it was issued from the banks of the Hudson to a Middle Eastern statelet that has absorbed scores of suicide bombings and a total of over 12,000 Hamas and Hezbollah rockets, as well as regular threats and predictions of its annihilation from Tehran, in less than a decade.) All those charges and many others, of course, pale before the Goldstone report’s concluding section on “Actions by Israel in Gaza,” which states:

The Mission found numerous instances of deliberate attacks on civilians and civilian objects. … In some cases the Mission additionally concluded that the attack was also launched with the intention of spreading terror among the civilian population. … [T]he Mission found that the following [acts] were committed by Israeli forces in Gaza: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment … and extensive destruction of property.

Israelis are not just being portrayed as psychotic narcissists and people who refuse peace, but as terrorizers, killers, and torturers. Can it get much worse than that? Of course it can. As Swedish journalist Donald Bostrom — drawing on the same sort of “sources” as the Goldstone commission (i.e., Palestinians who started imbibing ideological Israel- and Jew-hatred with their mother’s milk) — wrote last August in Aftonbladet, Sweden’s largest daily:

In the summer of 1992, Ehud Olmert, then [Israeli] minister of health, tried to address the issue of organ shortage by launching a big campaign aimed at having the Israeli public register for postmortal organ donation. … While the campaign was running, young Palestinian men started to disappear from villages in the West Bank and Gaza. After five days Israeli soldiers would bring them back dead, with their bodies ripped open. …

We know that Israel has a great need for organs. … We also know that young Palestinian men disappeared, that they were brought back after five days, at night, under tremendous secrecy, stitched back together after having been cut from abdomen to chin.

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Hating Jews has always been the fashionable thing to do and Jews are always hated most when they dare to defend themselves against their attackers. Shame on those leftwing Jews that enable and embolden the attackers.

my wife and kids are israeli arabs and we have been living in israel for several years now. israeli jews are the most decent people i’ve met across the world. sure, they are not perfect, but they have time and again gone out of their way to help and befriend us as non-jews/arabs, whatever so many times when they didn’t have to. i don’t believe any of the rubbish propaganda (read: lies) from ignorant people with a thirst for hate that have never met the decent, moral people they smear. i can’t say the same about the israeli arab muslims/palestinians, though, because although they are lovely people in their own right, they are generally drunk with irrational hate which poisons their society to the point i no longer enjoy spending time there. those are the facts.

In the meantime, Israel is constantly developing products and technologies that improves our lives (ex. better burn treatment). If any country bashes Israel, I believe it is Israel that has the right to restrict selling products to those countries.

Think of it this way, substitute “Israel” for “Saudi Arabia”. If Saudi Arabia developed a better treatment for burns, do you think that country would sell to Israel?

Did you ever ask yourself “Why does everybody hate Jews”? Not everyone does but it’s a large minority.
I’m not Jewish, but I have many friends that are and they seem normal enough to me. I’ve broached this question to some of my Jewish Friends and they don’t know, or at least wouldn’t answer.
My theory is that it’s genetic. Some people are born with blue eyes, some with blond hair, some hating Jews.

The author is correct in what he says, however he doesn’t identify the real reason that this occurs.

When Israel acts as dhimmi to the rest of the world, begging for its acceptance, the world loses its respect for Israel, just like in any relationship where the dominate one has no respect for the submissive one who always seeks the approval of the dominate one.

Once Israel shows some real backbone and stands up for herself as a Jewish country and acting like the nation whose destiny as a light unto to the nations will the rest of the world respect her. This is why Israel must and will elect Moshe Feiglin as its next Prime MInsiter.

#6 Mike.”When Israel acts as dhimmi to the rest of the world, begging for its acceptance, the world loses its respect for Israel, just like in any relationship where the dominate one has no respect for the submissive one who always seeks the approval of the dominate one.”

Sadly, there is a great deal of truth in that paragraph. It has also applied to us for a long time now, hence our genuflecting chief executive.

To #6, when Israel acted assertively in Lebanon in 1984, in the territories in Operation Defensive Shield starting in 2002, in Lebanon in 2006, in Gaza in 2008-2009–didn’t exactly help Israel in the popularity department, did it? Acting assertively doesn’t seem to be the solution for age-old anti-Semitism, Islamic belligerency, Western decadence and illness. There might not be a solution–a problem to be continuously coped with, not one that the magician Moshe Feiglin can wave away with the magic wand of his immature, demagogic bluster.

Nice to read thoughtful comments. Thank you.
I agree, well, with everyone, but with the genetic perspective of Mr. Sanford, I’d also like to add that there is probably an inborn trait to protect one’s own. This can extend from one’s family to others perceived as one’s own (country, tribe, whatever). I would add two contradictory points to this. This is the basis for groups to have an autonomous state for their own protection (Armenians, Kurds perhaps, but certainly it was the basis for Zionism). Stateless people have had it bad. On the other hand, I think that we as a species need to get past this. This is truly the basis of American Exceptionalism.

Israel is very much on its own. Europeans long for the completion of the Holocaust. Their growing Muslim population never even pretended to oppose the Holocaust.

The American government and media is controlled by those who only desire to curry favor with both Europeans and the Muslim terrorists. There is no concession that Israel can offer that will change this.

Israel needs to look to its own interests, by any means necessary; because those Americans who would help her are busy trying to defend themselves at home. The disappearance of a vocal appeasement movement is not a sign of Israel’s evil. It is a sign that reality is sinking in.

I’ll bet the blond hair blue eyes part went right over your head also.
Dr. Matt, when your dog starts cheating you at cards, it’s a clue.
Or, as Riggo once said while lying under the table drunk at a White House dinner; “Loosen up Sandy Babe’, loosen up!”
Justice O’Conner said later that it was the first time since high school she had been called Sandy.
Riggo was unrepentant, saying something like ‘What do you expect when you invite a football player to a state dinner?”

The fact is that Israel lost the propaganda war back in the 70′s. That is because they didn’t take it seriously. When the PLO started claiming that Israel had stolen land from them in ’67, it was a serious mistake to not point out that 90+% of that land was Israeli land awarded to Israel when the UN created Israel and stolen from Israel in ’48.
The Arabs (there are NO Palestinians) are trying to destroy Israel with propaganda, since the military option didn’t work out for them.
Shows how stooooopid Muslims are. Unfortunately, propaganda warfare doesn’t require smarts, all they need is clever. If the Arabs had agrred to the White Paper of ’38, Israel today would be a strip mall on the road (unpaved) between Cairo and Damascus. Israel today is what decades of assault by Muslims made it.

I kept a commentary that goes back a while and it highlights the book of Esther. I’m thinking that animosity towards the physical descendants of Jacob
ben Yitzhak, and those who convert to Judaism, stems from the fact that they are different.

So, whatever is different, in the dualistic sense,
has to be wrong – because it is shattering to conclude that those who are different are correct.

Dear mr. Information,
Maybe you ought to get your facts straight. Moses did lead a war of conquest on the East side of the Jordan River. Three of the twelve tribes chose to live there and it was part of then Israel. Please read the bible for clarification, specifically the old testiment.

By the way, I just checked and nobody gives a da–n about what you believe or care.

Also moho,
How you hanging buddy? I’m really surprised that you didn’t jump in here with your usual bag of sh-t. Are you turning over a new leaf? I really miss your groups twisted view of history.

@ #6 Sorry, Mike, but I disagree. For centuries, much of the Western world has despised the Jews, but tolerated them because they were seen as weak. But in Israel, Jews have gained nationalistic fervor and have demonstrated themselves strong enough to fight off multiple enemy armies, and they are truly hated for this. The Europeans will specify they do not hate all Jews, they just hate Israel (implying it’s the Israeli Jews who are the problem). That’s because a weak, landless Jew is no threat to the Anti-Semitic world view, but a Jew able to defend himself is.

#12 Mr. Information: Jews have had an uninterrupted presence on the west bank of the Jordan for thousands of years, long before the land was even called “Palestine.” Land was not “forced” away, it was granted by UN Resolution 181. And please invest in some English writing classes, though I doubt it’ll make much difference in understanding the drivel you write.

They have done everything in their power to bring back a young man that just happens to be a soldier.

Except return Palestinian prisoners, lol. There are well over a thousand Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, being held without trial or charges under administrative detention laws, some are children below the age of 18. They are jailed in Israel which is actually against international law. The US pays handsomely for it. If they really wanted him back, they simply would have traded him.

as a muslim I hate the taliban, iranian government and religon as a whole. I also think the Israeli government is a murderous government whose crime puts the Nazi into shame. The problem is as soon as some critisizes the Isreali government, right away you are labled as anti jews, anti semite ant Isreali..etc.. I can see just about everyone here hating me and I am ok with that. but I feel for those Jews who object to the acts of the murderous Isreali government.. you can’t call them anti Jews because they are Jewish, you can’t call them anti semites because they are Jews.. so what do call these Jews. I just like to know the terminolgy.
Thank you…

Mike, at comment #6, hit the nail on the head on this comment thread. It is worth repeating his sage words.

When Israel acts as dhimmi to the rest of the world, begging for its acceptance, the world loses its respect for Israel, just like in any relationship where the dominate one has no respect for the submissive one who always seeks the approval of the dominate one.

Mr. Hornik, I appeal to you to remember what David ben-Gurion always said: “it doesn’t matter what the goyim think – it matters what we do.” Then note the reaction of commenter #3, Rob;

my wife and kids are israeli arabs and we have been living in israel for several years now. israeli jews are the most decent people i’ve met across the world. sure, they are not perfect, but they have time and again gone out of their way to help and befriend us as non-jews/arabs, whatever so many times when they didn’t have to. i don’t believe any of the rubbish propaganda (read: lies) from ignorant people with a thirst for hate that have never met the decent, moral people they smear. i can’t say the same about the israeli arab muslims/palestinians, though, because although they are lovely people in their own right, they are generally drunk with irrational hate which poisons their society to the point i no longer enjoy spending time there. those are the facts.

Let’s not worry about what the goyim overseas say. They didn’t build this country at all – we did. Let’s concentrate on the strengths we have and the assertiveness we need to display.

Let’s start with dropping the term “Palestinian”. The resident Arabs are either tribes here for a long time (like the Cherkessim and the Druze), Jews in Judea who converted to Islam under immense pressure, or Egyptians, Syrians or Iraqis who came here because there was work.

We have to state – time after time after time – that there is no such thing as “Palestine” – because there isn’t. We have to state – time after time after time – that Arabs who wish to live here as Israelis are welcome to do so, and back that up with concrete action.

Then finally, we must make sure that this land is governed by rule of law, and that the rule of law is applied equally. Incitement by Arabs must be punished by arrest and trial – no matter how much violence they threaten; only then can we honestly seek to seriously punish Jews for incitement. Terror by Arabs must be met with the death penalty – swift and sure, so that we are not feeding a hostile Arab prison population. Terror must be treated as rebellion and treason and punished accordingly. Only then can we demand that Jews not act against Arabs here and sentence them severely.

Foreign incitement and espionnage must be dealt with as acts of war; the governments of the violating countries must be warned that espionnage will receive the maximum sentence, and that efforts to weaken the security of this nation will be dealt with as an act of war. Their assets will be seized, their embassies and consulates seized, their property will be seized. The copperators with foreign governments – like Peace Now and their ilk – must be dissolved, and their leaders imprisoned or executed, depending on the level of treason they have committed. Those who would destroy the Israeli polity must lose their chance to continue to destroy this country from within.

This is just a beginning, but with that beginning, our government can reclaim its sovereignty here. The days of the falafel republic must end.

well, Subotai, that is one of your favorite proverbs, that you may-be have learnt in your police acadamy, uh, no, from your favorite opinionists that are sure of their moral superiority, (becuz, they themselves define their own political rules, but based on erroned informations, or rumors that they created too)

Mr, if your saying that Israeli government is murderous, then how should we label the different Palestinians governments ? Ought we call “genocide” when they eliminate the different opposants factions ?

‘Israeli land awarded to Israel when the UN created Israel and stolen from Israel in ‘48.
Land was not “forced” away, it was granted by UN Resolution 181′
Israeli land awarded to Israel when the UN created Israel and stolen from Israel in ‘48.

This Declaration was issued by Great Britain, a foreign power, who had no right to give away someone else’s country. The Balfour Declaration also contains the phrase “it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

The United Nations also did not endorse the concept of a “Jewish State.” UN General Assembly Resolution 181 passed at the UN on November 29th, 1947 by a vote of 33 to 13 with 10 abstentions. This vote was dominated by the Europeans as most Third World countries were not members of the UN but still ruled as colonies. The resolution called for the partition of Palestine into two states. One state had a tiny Jewish population and a very large Palestinian Arab majority. The other state was not demographically a “Jewish State.”

It is the height of hypocrisy to call for some of it to be implemented (because it is what you want) while being in violation of numerous other resolutions notably R242. It is not, therefore, a question of having a UN resolution on your “side” but of meeting international obligations that has been signed up to as, amongst other things, a member of the UN.
This is selective UN resolution amnesia at its worst.
The persecution of the Jews in Europe cannot rationally be used to justify the persecution of another people and to create a homeland in the Middle East for European Jews who had suffered at the hands of other Europeans.

‘We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
David Ben-Gurion quote

milly, milly, milly………..
The Balfour ammendment was enacted by the British when they were in control of that area of the middle east. It called for the creation of a Jewish state which included all of present day Isreal, all of Palestine, and all of Trans-Jordan. This was presented to the League of Nations and voted upon. The League agreed with Brittain’s view. Brittain on the other hand split the land at the Jordan River and gave the eastern side to the deposed Hashemites of Arabia. The Saudi’s had thrown them out and took over Meca and Medina. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem fomented attacks on the Jewish population. This is historical fact that can be validated, not like the dreamed up facts you foist. An example of what I’m discussing here is the Hebron Massacre. There are many other examples of attacks on the Jewish population by the endemic Arabs, I can go on and on.

As for your quoting Ben Gurion, I’d like to know the scource. As far as I know, Ben Gurion did his best to keep the Arab population within Israel’s borders. That is why 20% of Israel’s population is Arab. Please check your scources carefully. It is very common for the Arab propaganda machine to attribute quotes to people who didn’t make them. It is a basic part of their Koranic culture. A lie that is believed is a terrible weapon and they use it continually.

re. no 34′s Ben-Gurion “quote”-Google the quote and see what CAMERA says about it. Those who hate Israel and want to destroy it are rampant and active. Devote a little of your life to fighting against them and helping Israel survive.

There is a concept when dealing with the moslem mentality and it is called Kubbar. Essentially it means that anyone who is not a moslem may be attacked, robbed, enslaved, or even murdered at the moslem’s whim. Basically it states that anyone who is not a moslem is property and may be taken by a moslem. That and fact that is alright to kill in order to spread the religion; and, that it is not just alright to lie but it is required to gain the advantage over your nonmoslem adversary. This just makes me want to pal up with all the moslems of the world.

Oh, Milly… You state, “This Declaration was issued by Great Britain, a foreign power, who had no right to give away someone else’s country.”

Don’t confuse land sovereignty with land ownership. The Arabs did NOT have sovereignty. It’s ironic how Palestinians vehemently claim sovereignty over a piece of land which they’ve never governed. The Ottomans ruled over the land for centuries, until they transferred sovereignty to the British. The British transferred partial sovereignty to the Jews, as since the 1917 Balfour Declaration, they had intended to help the Jews re-establish their homeland. Please note this was LONG before the Holocaust.

In terms of land ownership, most of Palestine was owned by wealthy absentee landlords living in Damascus or Cairo, not local Arabs. Arriving Jews didn’t steal land, they bought it -often at inflated prices- from these landlords. In his 1978 memoirs, Transjordan’s King Abdullah stated, “It is made quite clear to all… that the Arabs are as prodigial in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping.” Local Arabs lived in the more fertile West Bank, leaving the Jews to purchase land along the marshy, malaria-infested coastal plain. That’s why Jews ended up living there.

It’s ignorant and naive to state “The persecution of the Jews in Europe cannot rationally be used to justify … to create a homeland in the Middle East…” You’re simply weaving the typical Left-wing narrative of how Israel was created out of post-Holocaust guilt, nothing to do with diaspora Jews yearning for centuries to return to their rightful homeland. You ignore the fact that A) Jews have kept an uninterrupted presence in “Palestine” for thousands of years, and B) about 40% of Jewish immigrants to Israel come from ARAB lands, mostly between 1948-1952, but, starting as far back as the Jewish migration from Yemen in the 1880′s.

You claim Arabs were persecuted by the Jews, but it was the Arabs who rose up in revolt against the Jews in the 1920′s and 30′s. Even before WWII, it was obvious that the growing Jewish and Arab populations in Palestine would be ungovernable under one state, so the British decided to partition their Palestine Mandate to create a homeland for each. The Arabs rejected the offer of partial sovereignty, as they still do to this day. The Jews accepted it, as their agenda has always been simply to have a homeland, as do the Armenians, the Turks, and many other ethnic groups. It is curious to see how Muslims vociferously rejected the British partitioning of Palestine, but none opposed the British partitioning of India -to create Muslim Pakistan.

What was the Arab reaction to the UN’s partition plan to create a Jewish homeland?

“If the Jewish State becomes a fact [the Arabs] will drive the Jews who live in their midst into the sea.” Hassan al Banna, founder of the Musliim Brotherhood, 1948

“‘This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.” -Azzam Pasha, Arab League Secretary, 1948

“Arabs, arise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.” Amin al-Husayni, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, 1947, the same Mufti who had conferred with Hitler, showing interest on how to export the Jewish “Final Solution” to Palestine.

So who persecuted who?

And “selective UN resolution amnesia” works both ways. For you cannot beat your chest that UN Resolution 242 must be implemented, while ignoring Resolution 181. BTW, R242, besides calling for Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza/WB, calls for “…acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.” When many Palestinians (e.g. Hamas) won’t even recognize the existence of Israel, and nations like Lebanon and Syria are still technically at war with Israel, it’s hard to argue that the Arabs are doing their best to comply with R242 as well…

Lay off the Left-wing kool-aid and find yourself a less biased source.

Nice to make your acquaintance. I’m that guy from comment #30 who wants Mr. Hornik to stop using destructive (to us) terms like “Palestinian” in his articles about resident Arabs in the Land of Israel.

You think you’re a grump? You’re as sweet as a church mouse compared to me. Living under this gutless traitor and cheat Netanyahu is enough to make anyone far worse than a grump – or even a grouch.

The only reason I put all that down is so that you see my bona-fides – I don’t fall for the baloney of the “post-Zionist” historians – even though I will quote one here. Milly (comment #34) is mostly spouting Arab lies, garbage made up by Arab propagandists.

Regarding the Galilee, Mr. [Moshe] Sharett already told you that about 100,000 Arabs still now live in the pocket of Galilee. Let us assume that a war breaks out. Then we will be able to cleanse the entire area of Central Galilee, including all its refugees, in one stroke. In this context let me mention some mediators who offered to give us the Galilee without war. What they meant was the populated Galilee. They didn’t offer us the empty Galilee, which we could have only by means of a war. Therefore if a war is extended to cover the whole of Palestine, our greatest gain will be the Galilee. It is because without any special military effort which might imperil other fronts, only by using the troops already assigned for the task, we could accomplish our aim of cleansing the Galilee.

From a protocol of the Government of Israel, translated from Hebrew by Israel Shahak, in “Truth or Myth about Israel? Read between Quotation Marks” by Charley Reese in The Orlando Sentinel (13 June 1999); later published as “What Israeli Historians Say About 1948 Ethnic Cleansing” in Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (September 1999)

While I do not like the fact, it is still true. It was one of the goals of the 1948-49 War of Independence to rid the Galilee of as many Arabs as possible. It’s not something you advertise. But it is still true.

I can afford to lie to people like Milly, who are ignorant and lie themselves. But I cannot afford to lie to myself and then stand before G-d and expect His Mercy.

Ruvy,
Glad to meet you. There were times on this blog that I felt alone except for Marie Claude who kept encouraging me. You’re right sometimes the truth is distasteful and hard to take. At least we don’t deny it, or lie about it.

As for the word Palestinian, I met a bunch of them when I was a kid. They were all Jewish. Palestinian was the generic name for anyone who came from that region. It was adopted after the 67′ war by the Arabs to distinguish themselves from other Arabs. They in fact created a new national identity which never existed. Before that the regional people, depending on where they lived, were Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, or Jordanian. Only the Jews were Palestinians.

This is truly a holy war ~ between Almighty God and satan, good versus evil, played out through the Jews and Christians versus the descendants of Cain, Esau and Ishmael. It makes absolutely no sense when one attempts to apply logic to it: Israel is so tiny, it merits no worldwide attention, Jerusalem is not Islam’s worship capital, “Palestinians” are a figment of the media’s making and what possible benefit could be derived from “pushing Israel into the sea?” It only makes sense biblically and spiritually. satan hates God and God’s people with a fanatacism similar to that of people who strap explosives to their children in the name of their demonic religion. He tried to prevent Christ’s first coming by influencing Herod to kill the Jewish baby boys, and now he’s doing the same with His second coming. How it infuriates him that God always brings victory to little Israel in time of war!

Jesus said the world is divided into two camps: those who belong to Him and those who belong to satan. As His return rapidly approaches, I pray that all who read my words have accepted Jesus as Savior or will. He said in John 3:3, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God,” and “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” John 14:6 Just realize you’re a sinner, (because you’ve broken the 10 Commandments over and over and over) be genuinely sorry for those you’ve hurt with your sin, resolve to endeavor to stop sinning from now on then pray that Jesus would take over as Lord of your life. Tell Him you believe He died and rose again and that you’re trusting Him to take you to heaven when you die. When you’ve done that, you’ll be born again! After you start reading your Bible, you’ll suddenly understand why most of the world hates Israel for absolutely no reason…