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I never took drugs to improve my performance at any time. I will be willing to stick my finger into a polygraph test if anyone with big media pull wants to take issue. If you buy a signed poster now it will not be tarnished later. --Graeme Obree

mellowJohnny wrote:Yeah, there is no "climbing" to speak of around here. That's why I characterized it as "elevation gain" - it ain't climbing. The toughest I can find is 2km at 12% - steep-ish, but not long enough.

Either way, thanks for your feedback - much appreciated.

240m of elevation over 2km is certainly a stiff enough hill. Ignore these knuckleheads.

Probably a bit of training issue, but how much are you eating before the ride and how long before the ride? Don't stuff your face, but an easily digestible snack is warranted on most rides over 2 hours, especially in the hills Unless of course you are trying to do a Tommy D and "train" your body to use fat instead of carbs on your rides

From one knucklehead to another: 2km of climbing a 12% grade in a span of 2.5 hrs is not climbing. It's a warm up. OK?

I never took drugs to improve my performance at any time. I will be willing to stick my finger into a polygraph test if anyone with big media pull wants to take issue. If you buy a signed poster now it will not be tarnished later. --Graeme Obree

Agree, but for someone that lives in a place that can only manage to rack up 300 m of climbing in two and a half hours of riding, this certainly would count as the big climb in the area. The Cauberg is shorter and lower avg grade -- the pros certainly consider that a climb. Not all of us can do a 12% 2km climb and forget to shift out of the big ring!

otoman wrote:Agree, but for someone that lives in a place that can only manage to rack up 300 m of climbing in two and a half hours of riding, this certainly would count as the big climb in the area. The Cauberg is shorter and lower avg grade -- the pros certainly consider that a climb. Not all of us can do a 12% 2km climb and forget to shift out of the big ring!

It depends what you have as your gearing: 53x29 is easier than a 39x27 for example.

I never took drugs to improve my performance at any time. I will be willing to stick my finger into a polygraph test if anyone with big media pull wants to take issue. If you buy a signed poster now it will not be tarnished later. --Graeme Obree

You guys are killing me - arguing about how much "climbing" in my ride.

I went back to look at my Garmin info for ride I was referring to and it was 556 m of "elevation gain". There are a few short, steep, fun climbs, but generally it's flat to rolling. Doesn't matter - my point is the ride is a decent length for me (80km), but for the last 25% of it I'm done.

So, all I was curious about is whether the fatigue was due to lack of conditioning, or lack of "in flight refuelling". Consensus seems to be conditioning, which I figured.

Thanks again for all the feedback - I really appreciate it.

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