You're not REALLY using the CDC as a source, are you? That's like quoting the ADL in order to prove we're racists.

Thats hardly fair im quoting from the government sites not drug companys.

The reason i stand for immunization is that all i see is manipulation of statistics (I suspect by leftys to "fight the power") like using death rates not cases of infection. As for the links i dont have 6 hours on hand but the first link looks like e is recieving the proceeds from the investment and while he may advise the CDC he does just that he offers his opinion and many other sources would be consulted as well.

I wonder too why hasnt there ever been a government to stand up and say immunization is bad and dangerous like we have had with the holocaust.

Immunization is the only thing to protect your child from diseases that were eradicated and NOW people these diseases are coming back! we live in a diseased world,if you don't want to immunize then you better move to a far away place w/no human contact cause your un-immunized child will eventually get sick and die from an illness that could have been prevented.It's not fair but this is the price we pay for living w/other humans in close proximity.

Thats hardly fair im quoting from the government sites not drug companys.

Then half the problem is that you do not understand the implicit and immoral relationship between the two.

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As for the links i dont have 6 hours on hand....

Well I guess it's good that you at least admit you didn't bother to read the information in the links. If you had, you'd understand that there are things far more important than the health of our children. Like making money. The same organizations that once included MERCURY in vaccinations given to infants are now to be trusted? Not on your life. And more importantly, not on my children's lives.

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I wonder too why hasnt there ever been a government to stand up and say immunization is bad and dangerous like we have had with the holocaust.

Immunization is the only thing to protect your child from diseases that were eradicated and NOW people these diseases are coming back! we live in a diseased world,if you don't want to immunize then you better move to a far away place w/no human contact cause your un-immunized child will eventually get sick and die from an illness that could have been prevented.It's not fair but this is the price we pay for living w/other humans in close proximity.

No, there are plenty of things to protect your children from these diseases, namely, improved sanitation. Why do you think that these diseases were already significantly on the decline, so much so that many of them were already next to gone, by the time we introduced the vaccines?

The resurgence of these diseases is not because we are stopping vaccinations, it is because we are being deluged with a massive number of 3rd world immigrants, complete with 3rd world sanitation practices.

The answer is not using dangerous vaccinations in your children. The answer is not found by giving your child a significantly increased risk of neurological disorders. The answer is found in living a healthy life and using proper sanitation practices, and using the appropriate medications when these diseases are contracted.

Daily my kids are exposed to negores and other races who DO/DID NOT vaccinate, simply because that is the nature of the beast. At scool the have negro cleaners and in their playgrounds (despite it being an Afrikaans school) they have negro children from the English classes.

Sorry I'd rather take the vaccination risks than have my family killed by diseases that could be prevented with an injection.

Daily my kids are exposed to negores and other races who DO/DID NOT vaccinate, simply because that is the nature of the beast. At scool the have negro cleaners and in their playgrounds (despite it being an Afrikaans school) they have negro children from the English classes.

Sorry I'd rather take the vaccination risks than have my family killed by diseases that could be prevented with an injection.

You must make your own decisions. Perhaps some children are at high enough risk to make it worth it, however, I would urge you to look hard at the facts regarding these vaccinations, try to look through the media lies, and find out for yourself how much protection these vaccines truly give.

I once believed in vaccines, even after discovering the risks involved, I thought it was probably worth it to protect yourself. I find myself much more suspicious of them, now that I have discovered that they are not the miracle prevention that I once though them to be, that they are heralded to be.

Immunization is the only thing to protect your child from diseases that were eradicated and NOW people these diseases are coming back! we live in a diseased world,if you don't want to immunize then you better move to a far away place w/no human contact cause your un-immunized child will eventually get sick and die from an illness that could have been prevented.It's not fair but this is the price we pay for living w/other humans in close proximity.

Actually, my son has a much healthier immune system than all the vaccinated kids I know, and has NEVER once been sick.

Daily my kids are exposed to negores and other races who DO/DID NOT vaccinate, simply because that is the nature of the beast. At scool the have negro cleaners and in their playgrounds (despite it being an Afrikaans school) they have negro children from the English classes.

Sorry I'd rather take the vaccination risks than have my family killed by diseases that could be prevented with an injection.

That's the choice you make. If I lived in S. Africa, I might make a different choice. I can't say. But here, alot of fear of diseases is pushed by the gov't - who I don't trust at all. I will be homeschooling my children anyway, so I'm not worried about them being around lots of immigrants.

Actually, my son has a much healthier immune system than all the vaccinated kids I know, and has NEVER once been sick.

Don't take this to be in argument with what you stated, but there is such a thing as having a sort of passive immunity. It's like this... if everyone is vaccinated against (assuming, in this example, that the vaccinations were effective) Disease A, then none of them would develop Disease A. As such, the unvaccinated person would also not develop Disease A, since no one around him could pass it to him.

Don't take this to be in argument with what you stated, but there is such a thing as having a sort of passive immunity. It's like this... if everyone is vaccinated against (assuming, in this example, that the vaccinations were effective) Disease A, then none of them would develop Disease A. As such, the unvaccinated person would also not develop Disease A, since no one around him could pass it to him.

That is why vaccines are routinely given, to try to eradicate to protect the vulnerable people that might sufer serious complications if they catch the disease. The MMR and Varicella vaccines are given to babies in order to protect pregnant mothers from getting these diseases that may deform unborn children, but in my opinion I don't think it's fair to push these vaccines to be given to helpless babies who may have serious complications (which are very rare) from a vaccine that they did not choose to have. Vaccinations do have a place in society. The Ancient Chinese were vaccinating against smallpox and vaccines have been used safely for ages however alot of these new vaccines have so many dangerous preservatives such as thimerosal, aluminium, and formaldehyde added to them so that they can have a longer shelf life and therefore be produced en masse so that the drug companies can make more profits.
The other problem is that the vaccine schedule is the same for every child, regardless of whether they are premature or have weakened immune systems and the dose is the same for every child regardless of body weight. On top of that there is no testing done and no prior knowledge of whether the child will have a reaction to the vaccine, you just have to hope that nothing bad happens as a result.
My eldest had a huge lump in is leg where he got one of his six month shots, this lump grew and lasted for about 6 weeks. I saw2 the Dr about it and I actually did not know this was an adverse reaction to the shot until I read this thread. He had some regression since having that shot (which was a cocktail of vaccines). I delayed his 12 month shots despite alot of criticism because of my wariness of the MMR vaccine in light of the autism controversy and because he is at home with me and was breastfed to the age of 2, in other words at very low risk of catching diseases. Two weeks ago he had his HIB and Priorix (MMR) shot, the Dr doesn't give all the shots at once so as to reduce side effects. He did have some of the side effects that the Dr warned of, he slept for about 18 hrs after the shot, when I woke him he seemed to be okay,then just dozed off again, and when he woke up the next morning started grunting which hasn't stopped. I feel awful for having vaccinated him against this (Meningtec I would give gladly because of how agressive and deadly Meningococcal can be) however I have to go back to work and must put him in preschool which will not let him in if he is not vaccinated. The funny thing is that I was so worried about MMR, and when I look back I realise he may have had a reaction to HiB. Anyway I did delay the vaccine and I have a gut feeling that if I had given him these shots a year ago it would've been much worse, I have looked for vaccines that are 'green' however it seems I have no choice butto give what is on the schedule, but delay it as long as I can and make sure that my kids health is 100% when they get their shots : no sniffles, not getting over a cold and no playgroup before or after their shots so that their immune systems are not over loaded