I don't blame the Doctor for not fancing Martha the way that she liked him. I mean, she made a remark about the Doctor taking her to New Earth, a place where he had taken Rose, yet she won't give him time to grieve, time to move on. She loved someone who just did not love her back the way she wanted and needed to be. He cared about her, undeniably, but her picking at his past and pitying herself because she wasn't Rose put a nasty rift in their relationship.

I love the companions who do love the Doctor, but they remain just friends. It's so unique and so much fun to listen to because you can tell at times that they do care about each other and that they're looking out for one another. It isn't the whole, in-your-face-I-love-you-Time-Lord stuff.

I did like Rose because I loved how she trusted the Doctor and just did as he said because she knew that if she didn't, bad things would happen. I like how she was able to warm up the Doctor's spirit and kind of help his soul into healing after the Time War. That doesn't necessarily mean, "Ohhh true love!" I mean, a friend can do that... a family member can do that... doesn't mean romantic thing or anything, just a really powerful and truly wonderful friendship.

But that's also me loving friendships in movies and such more than romantic ones. I liked the three kisses between the Doctor and Grace. The first seemed like a, "Zowee I know who I am!" and the second one was still part of the "Zowee" but not completely with it that he is thee Doctor. The third one at the end, so silly but so cute at the same time. I mean, they did like each other, but neither were completely crushed when they parted ways. I loved that.~

I don't blame the Doctor either, nor do I blame Martha. It was just one of those things that happened, and she didn't really hold a grudge. She just needed to get away from what was becoming a bad situation emotionally, and live her own life.

I don't blame the Doctor either, nor do I blame Martha. It was just one of those things that happened, and she didn't really hold a grudge. She just needed to get away from what was becoming a bad situation emotionally, and live her own life.

I don't blame Martha either and am quite happy that she was able to walk away and did so much with her life after the Doctor, rather than mope around all depressed. However, the pining got to be annoying.

"The Death of the Doctor" is the title of the next show to feature the Doctor, its a two-parter in the Sarah-Jane adventures, and features the return of Jo Grant, can't wait to find out how this fits inbetween "The Big Bang and the Christmas special.

I thought the 10th Doctor was absolutely horrible to Martha -- at times he almost seemed to take a certain malevolent glee in mistreating her. It even went on when he wasn't "himself"; as John Smith he pretty much made her his slave while he fell for Redfern (who, like most people in that village, was racist and also had treated Martha as a second-class citizen). And then, insult to injury, it was revealed that he subjected Martha to that abominable situation in order to be merciful to evil body-stealing alien things!

"The Death of the Doctor" is the title of the next show to feature the Doctor, its a two-parter in the Sarah-Jane adventures, and features the return of Jo Grant, can't wait to find out how this fits inbetween "The Big Bang and the Christmas special.

I have the feeling that Amy and Rory will be honeymooning when the Doctor decides to pay Sarah Jane a visit.

I don't blame the Doctor either, nor do I blame Martha. It was just one of those things that happened, and she didn't really hold a grudge. She just needed to get away from what was becoming a bad situation emotionally, and live her own life.

I don't blame Martha either and am quite happy that she was able to walk away and did so much with her life after the Doctor, rather than mope around all depressed. However, the pining got to be annoying.

~

I don't know how this got in the Big Bang discussion, but since this is all fresh to me finishing it last night...

It seems that Rose situation was very painful to the Doctor which is probably why he was so distant with Martha. I think it was a very fine split with no hard feelings either way. It was nice that they showed her phoning Dr. Tom (played by the lovely Tom Ellis who is in Miranda) which I think was a way to show that she would end up with him and happy.

The way Nine treated Mickey never sat well with me. It was funny at first, but it quickly came to remind me of Six's relationship with Peri early on: too many snarky things said in moments that just made you feel for the recipient of said snark.

Though in Colin's defense, Peri seemed to be little more then a pair of Boobs and Skin Tight Short Shorts.

Can't. Stop. Staring. @_@

mysterylad wrote:

and was truly brought to life via Eccleston's wonderfully nuanced portrayal.

Cept for the flat delivery at the climax of "Dalek", that part just after Rose talks him down from shooting it. His "Oh Rose...they're all dead." line just falls completely flat to my ears.

scarywood wrote:

That's right boys and girls.... I'm gonna do it...

S5E13: The Big Bang is OFFICIALLY OFF TOPIC!

R.I.P My so very beautiful thread

Well! We can't have that! Quickly now, back on track. Work to do, things to discuss...

Coincidentally, I have a few minor observations that may or may not be relevant to future stories.

In the Museum (And indeed directly after the destruction of the Universe), we see two Stone Daleks. But at the end of "The Pandorica Opens", there are three. While the vaporization of so many other species might account for it, there wasn't even a minor imprint like many of the other races got to account for its passing.

The Eternal Dalek at work, perhaps?

Secondly, we never hear River put down the Dalek that was revived. It's an empty museum and the gun was shown to make noise. A shot should have echoed down the halls.

And while we're on the subject of River and the Dalek - the Dalek begging for its own life is something of a shock (And not to mention an annoying way of "proving" how 'awesome' River Song is), but it almost makes me think there was something else going on there.

Daleks never beg. So either the new Paradim of Daleks includes a radical overhaul of their basic personalities (Which isn't out of the question, seeing as how they were willing to work with other races in creating the Pandorica), or River Song does something that supplants "The Oncoming Storm" in terms of Demonology of the Dalek race.

GuestGuest

Subject: Re: S5E13: The Big Bang Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:51 pm

bret_owen99 wrote:

sorry scarywood.

Oh, no worries! Forums are for discussion. Discussion is good. I like discussion. Discussions are cool.

Here's a theory about how the Doctor escapes the Pandorica: it's a predestination paradox set by the universe as a protection measure, or, if you prefer, what little of the universe was left projected a version of the Doctor and the future screwdriver to get him out so he could save the universe.

I had the theory about the TARDIS exploding and the destruction of the multiverse and who was behind it.

I really got into the idea of it being Omega, not sure why just did. But my theory was if he was still trapped in the anti matter universe, maybe the destruction of the universe would allow him to escape (maybe the anti matter universe was unaffected by the explosion, but measures had been taken in our universe to stop him from escaping now "never happened" allowing him to escape).

Omega may also have been behind the alliance and the Pandorica, which may also explain why the Pandorica could be used to restore the universe (who wants to escape into a void of nothingness) and why the Doctor was locked up, not to punish him or stop him, but to protect him (Omega thought only the Doctor could save the universe). It could also explain how the Doctor was able to escape despite it being a paradox, but then it could be explained away with timey whimey and a collapsing universe.

I was also thinking about the "silence will fall" the wording mainly. It sounds like something an old Headmaster might shout to get a room full of kids to shut up. Which lead me to think maybe Borusa, but I really doubt it.

carter's worse 2-parters was ending one season, and starting another. the ender would be like: how will mulder and scully get out of this? then, in the first 5 minutes of the new season, they'd get out of it. hmmmmmmm. does remind me of moffat.

It was missing something. I would've been happier if Moffat revealed the villain to the audience at the end as a cliffhanger teaser.I get the feeling that River Song may be a more benevolent incarnation of The Rani.They still didn't explain that part in The Beast Below where future Amy tells herself in the video she and the Doctor had to leave immediately. I hope that and the other Amy inconsistencies get explained next year.

GuestGuest

Subject: Re: S5E13: The Big Bang Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:26 am

Enjoyed the finale. Quick thoughts on a few carry over items-I do think the baddie is Omega. Has the motive and the means to engineer a time/space black hole and to take over a Tardis.

Do wonder if River is the Rani post chameleon arch from the Tardis in The Lodger.

Did anyone else think there was a sort of Peter Pan analogy at the end of the episode? Amy=Wendy

They still didn't explain that part in The Beast Below where future Amy tells herself in the video she and the Doctor had to leave immediately. I hope that and the other Amy inconsistencies get explained next year.

Wait...what?

I found that very obvious: Amy learned what the Starship UK really was (Space Whale), and begged herself to get the Doctor and her away because she was horrified by what it actually was.