i wonder why no one has picked him up yet.imagine dorsey, hali, peppers, johnson,vrabel and curry to lead our front seven along with someone else that would sound like an awesome front seven.then add in carr,flowers,page,and pollard. oh yeah superbowl bound

texaschief

03-14-2009, 04:16 PM

they franchised Peppers after they signed Gross.

jap1

03-14-2009, 08:02 PM

I was thinking about this myself after we announced Pendergrast, and all signs pointed to us running a hybrid D. Peppers already is a great DE for the 4-3, and he probably could be a decent OLB for a 3-4.

Unfortunately he was franchised by carolina, so it will probably take more (in terms of draft picks) than I am willing to give them to get him over here. Unless Pioli can force someone into letting us trade down, and then we pick up another late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder, and the planets line up just right, and we offer our 2nd rounder for him along with a sacrificial goat ... and we use our mid 1st rounder for someone like Cushing or Clay Matthews.

But, lets get hypothetical for a second. Say we were to get Peppers, I think we would have a relatively formidable D. In the 4-3 we would have:

and then to move to a 3-4, all that would have to happen is Peppers drop back to LB so it would look like:

Peppers / DJ / Vrabel / Draft
Dorsey // Tank // Hali

I think that would be pretty strong against both the run and the pass for 2-3 years before Peppers starts to decline significantly. By then we would probably be fully transitioned to whichever defense we are going to stick with. Also, we would have probably drafted a replacement for guys like Peppers and Vrabel, and allowed them to develop for a year or two under their tutelage.

A man can dream cant he ...

Big Daddy Tek

03-15-2009, 02:07 AM

I was thinking about this myself after we announced Pendergrast, and all signs pointed to us running a hybrid D. Peppers already is a great DE for the 4-3, and he probably could be a decent OLB for a 3-4.

Unfortunately he was franchised by carolina, so it will probably take more (in terms of draft picks) than I am willing to give them to get him over here. Unless Pioli can force someone into letting us trade down, and then we pick up another late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder, and the planets line up just right, and we offer our 2nd rounder for him along with a sacrificial goat ... and we use our mid 1st rounder for someone like Cushing or Clay Matthews.

But, lets get hypothetical for a second. Say we were to get Peppers, I think we would have a relatively formidable D. In the 4-3 we would have:

and then to move to a 3-4, all that would have to happen is Peppers drop back to LB so it would look like:

Peppers / DJ / Vrabel / Draft
Dorsey // Tank // Hali

I think that would be pretty strong against both the run and the pass for 2-3 years before Peppers starts to decline significantly. By then we would probably be fully transitioned to whichever defense we are going to stick with. Also, we would have probably drafted a replacement for guys like Peppers and Vrabel, and allowed them to develop for a year or two under their tutelage.

A man can dream cant he ...

Great point and good breakdown. Too bad, Carolina wouldnt take anything less than a limb for Peppers.

Diesel

03-15-2009, 01:08 PM

No way. You combine compensation with what Peppers would want contractually and you can forget getting him in KC. Too expensive.

AkChief49

03-16-2009, 04:31 PM

We will not get Peppers. It is being reported by Vic Carruci that New England and Carolina are close to a deal for Peppers and the 2nd round pick we gave them for Casell.

Chief Buck Rogers

03-16-2009, 06:10 PM

Cassel to Donkeys was also "Close"

Drunker Hillbilly

03-16-2009, 06:35 PM

ESPN just reported that the Patriots were considering trading the 34th overall from us to Carolina for Peppers.

Chiefster

03-16-2009, 06:47 PM

ESPN just reported that the Patriots were considering trading the 34th overall from us to Carolina for Peppers.

Not doubting ya at all buddy, I just wonder if you have a link? I'm just too lazy to go lookin for it myself. :D

Drunker Hillbilly

03-16-2009, 06:56 PM

Not doubting ya at all buddy, I just wonder if you have a link? I'm just too lazy to go lookin for it myself. :D
Just watched it on SportCenter. I will try and find a link if it's on ESPN.com

The trade that sent (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80efe755&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true) Matt Cassel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattcassel/profile?id=CAS541133) and Mike Vrabel (http://www.nfl.com/players/mikevrabel/profile?id=VRA088990) to the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/profile?team=KC) appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) this offseason.
The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR) defensive end Julius Peppers (http://www.nfl.com/players/juliuspeppers/profile?id=PEP422041) to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.

» Free-agency tracker (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency)

According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ed19f4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.
The Patriots already were looking ahead to the possibility of acquiring Peppers when they shipped Cassel and Vrabel to Kansas City, NFL sources say, because they wanted to clear the salary-cap space necessary to sign Peppers to a new contract that would put him among the higher-paid defensive players in the league. After signing Cassel to a one-year, franchise-tag tender contract worth $14.65 million, New England had nearly $30 million in cap money devoted to two quarterbacks (including $14.62 million for Tom Brady (http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/profile?id=BRA371156)).
Once the Patriots were convinced that Brady would be fully recovered from the season-ending knee injury he suffered last year, they were comfortable with trading his replacement to the Chiefs and putting the wheels in motion to bolster a defense that has gotten particularly old at linebacker. Vrabel and fellow linebacker Tedy Bruschi (http://www.nfl.com/players/tedybruschi/profile?id=BRU812794) are well into the twilight of their respective careers.
NFL sources say the Panthers would welcome the chance to unload Peppers for a second-round draft pick, even though it would be well below his market value, because it would be less costly than signing a first-rounder. The Panthers already have made some belt-tightening financial moves within their front office.
This, in part, could help answer the lingering question of why the Patriots were willing to take only a second-round pick for Cassel and Vrabel rather than possibly go for a higher choice as part of a three-way deal involving the Denver Broncos (http://www.nfl.com/teams/denverbroncos/profile?team=DEN), who were ready to give up Jay Cutler (http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler/profile?id=CUT288111) for Cassel. Without an additional second-round pick, the Patriots might not be able to pursue Peppers.
League sources also point out that the Panthers don't have a first-round choice after trading it to the Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) and aren't scheduled to draft until 59th overall (near the bottom of the second round). The 34th spot would give Carolina the second pick of the second round and a chance to land a player with a first-round rating who was pushed down to that spot for whatever reason.
Also, according to NFL sources, there is a third phase to the Patriots' offseason strategy. They would like to further beef up their linebacking corps by adding an inside linebacker in the draft. They are known to believe that USC's Rey Maualuga (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/rey-maualuga?id=79852) would be a great fit for their scheme, especially when paired with Jerod Mayo (http://www.nfl.com/players/jerodmayo/profile?id=MAY651489), their 2008 first-round pick who was the NFL's top defensive rookie. However, some early projections suggest it might be a long shot for Maualuga to be available for the Patriots with the 23rd overall pick.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick is known for making excellent decisions when it comes to acquiring players, but at least one NFL player-personnel evaluator questions whether Peppers would be a good fit in New England.
"This is a guy who totally went on strike two years ago because he wasn't happy with his contract," said the player personnel source, who requested anonymity. "He's also very long (in the torso), which is not ideal for a 3-4 outside linebacker. And he can't drop into coverage. He's very stiff.
"But one of the things (the Patriots) are looking at is the fact that, in passing situations, they can have Peppers up front with (Richard) Seymour and (Jarvis) Green. That makes it easier for them to take (nose tackle Vince) Wilfork out of the game in (passing situations) and just play him on running downs."

Chiefster

03-16-2009, 07:05 PM

I'm a little surprised that they're going after the tagged Peppers.

DT14PRIEST

03-16-2009, 07:39 PM

I'm a little surprised that they're going after the tagged Peppers.

I think the target just illustrated that there was more on NE's mind when they just gave up Cassel/Vrabel for a second round pick besides financial reasons. Looks like a copy cat deal might be in the works though I think NE might have to give up something else as well, as to what I'm not quite sure.

It makes sense though. Dump cap space, get a high second pick rather then a high $ first round and net a profit through the draft possibly for a lower cost at a younger age.

Chiefster

03-16-2009, 07:42 PM

I think the target just illustrated that there was more on NE's mind when they just gave up Cassel/Vrabel for a second round pick besides financial reasons. Looks like a copy cat deal might be in the works though I think NE might have to give up something else as well, as to what I'm not quite sure.

It makes sense though. Dump cap space, get a high second pick rather then a high $ first round and net a profit through the draft possibly for a lower cost at a younger age.

Well for sure it doesn't happen without the trade to the Chiefs.

DT14PRIEST

03-16-2009, 07:46 PM

Well for sure it doesn't happen without the trade to the Chiefs.

True which all the more clears the air around the entire Chiefs/Pats trade deal and puts everything into perspective for all the conspiracy theorist.

Chiefster

03-17-2009, 12:45 AM

True which all the more clears the air around the entire Chiefs/Pats trade deal and puts everything into perspective for all the conspiracy theorist.

It does make since.

northwest

03-17-2009, 02:06 PM

straight from rotoworld

Citing two sources, NBCSports' Tom Curran reports that Panthers franchise player Julius Peppers is "virtually certain" to not be traded to the Patriots.

Curran confirms that New England is on Peppers' wish list, but calls Adam Schefter right to say the deal is "not gonna happen." The trade makes sense on paper; Peppers wants out of Carolina and New England is desperate for pass rush help. But the cap ramifications would be difficult for the Pats to endure and Peppers has never played in a 3-4 defense. Committing upwards of $75M to a player totally new to their scheme would be a colossal risk.

AkChief49

03-17-2009, 04:15 PM

straight from rotoworld

Citing two sources, NBCSports' Tom Curran reports that Panthers franchise player Julius Peppers is "virtually certain" to not be traded to the Patriots.

Curran confirms that New England is on Peppers' wish list, but calls Adam Schefter right to say the deal is "not gonna happen." The trade makes sense on paper; Peppers wants out of Carolina and New England is desperate for pass rush help. But the cap ramifications would be difficult for the Pats to endure and Peppers has never played in a 3-4 defense. Committing upwards of $75M to a player totally new to their scheme would be a colossal risk.
Yeah I was seeing that today also, who the heck can you take a face value anymore? Obviously, V.Carruci and Mortensen roomed together at reporter school!!:D