Sid_6.7:mooseyfate: It's the strangest thing in the farking world. The other day I was playing Skyrim on my 360 with a controller, but then I decided to take a break from Skyrim and instead began playing Shogun 2 on my computer. By some act of God, I was able to go from the console controller (which apparently makes anyone that touches it a retard) to the keyboard and mouse (which apparently makes people God-like) without skipping a beat. It's almost as if my brain doesn't give a shiat which method I use to control my games, which is quite passive-aggressive of it if you ask me. What's your farking problem, brain? You keep this up, I won't even know which group of gamers I'm supposed to feel superior to.

/and to the PC gamers that bemoan the "dumbing down" of control schemes with cross-platform releases//the game devs don't care, they're raking in waaaay more dough now that they don't have to strictly cater to you anymore///you'll not only get over it, you'll also keep playing said cross-platform games

Yeah, damn, I'll just have to play on my PC, which loads much faster, is easier to control, has better graphics, and can be easily modded.

Oh, and the games are cheaper.

So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

/why do people post these "Ha, Ha! Gotcha!" comments when it's pretty obvious that I enjoy both platforms for playing video-games?//How DARE I play 360 games and PC games!? What the fark is wrong with me?! It's almost like I'm more interested in playing games than I am in being a loyalist to inanimate objects!

roc6783:Ummm...you realize that more people play consoles, which means if developers want the largest market for their games they make a game for consoles. If the developer does not spend the money to adequately port a game to PC or design a game specifically for the PC, how is it the fault of people who play consoles?

//Also, I hope you don't truly believe that comparing a society destroying, anti-intellectual government body to a form of entertainment is a valid comparison.

It's obviously the console players fault because they buy those games which give developers money which means they'll produce more console games to sell more and make more money. It's truly a terrible cycle that must be stopped through constant biatching on Fark threads.

whizbangthedirtfarmer:Ah, the old console/PC biatchfest. Here's my two cents, which is probably worth far less than face value.

I have an XBox, a Wii, and a gaming PC I put together myself. I have a good number of games from Steam. I use all three of the devices frequently. Essentially, if I am playing something more casually, or a game I don't think will be particularly challenging, I will usually fire up the XBox. On the PC, I usually have the more time-consuming games, especially the strategy games like Total War and so on.

I can use them all and never consider myself beholden to one or the other. I enjoy each of them.

/Purists should have their feet held over a fire until they admit; in writing, with a notary and no less than 3 witnesses; that Virtual Boy was the pinnacle of gaming technology, and nothing will ever replace it.

scottydoesntknow:mooseyfate: So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.

Meh, people get that way when something they view as superior to alternatives is either dissed by others or is shown a complete lack of interest. See: Every Apple thread, ever.

mooseyfate:So do that. It's your choice as a consumer to choose one over the other. I, personally, enjoy gaming on both. Which apparently means I'm super retarded, since I'm only allowed by the Internet farkwad Theorist up above to select one.

Pure PC gamers are always the first to shiat on a video game thread and it happens in 99% of video game threads. Then it turns into a douchey PC vs. console flamewar when most people just want to talk about the damn game. Hell I only remember one game thread that didn't turn into a flamewar, and it was for "Just Cause 2" and everyone just talked about the game. It was pleasant.

I play both PC and console, like you do, and feel the exact same way.

For supposedly being the "superior race", pure PC gamers sure are a whiny bunch.

NaziKamikaze:Look, I don't care how you play, but there is nothing wrong with current controllers. Just because *you* don't have the ability to use one proficiently doesn't mean gaming is ruined as a whole..

You know why first person shooters don't have crossover servers between PCs and consoles? Because every time they've tried it the consolers have been absolutely destroyed by PC players using mouse and keyboard. Your controller is a child's toy; your desperate clinging to it despite all facts pointing to the contrary is a child's mentality.

PCs have always been a superior platform for game development for one simple reason: they are not limited to dated hardware constraints. Anything made now for an Xbox360 must be made to run on 7 year old hardware and within tight memory allowances. In 2005, the king of the video cards was the Geforce7800. Those kind of specs can be found today on an entry level card. Compare that with the new top of the line GTX 690 and there's really not even a comparison. And that's just one aspect. When you look at level design, world immersion, player character capabilities and varieties, all of those things are eventually limited by space you have to store the information and how capable your system is of reproducing them faithfully. When you're running with 7 year old hardware, all of those things must be pared down.

There is absolutely nothing superior about producing games for a console system from the end user's perspective. Everything becomes watered down shiat all to appease the lowest common demoninator mouth breather who thinks playing Madden with his bros is going to make him an NFL superstar.

Sid_6.7:kmmontandon: Having not played Skyrim (don't have the computer to run it), I'm wondering - is levelling the same as it is in Oblivion?

Because I wasn't real thrilled with that.

It's quite similar, except that they removed class skills, so in order to level up you must increase any combination of skills ten times.

Sadly, it kind of removed one of the easiest ways to beat Oblivion on the highest difficulty: never level up, and set all your class skills to crap you never use. You can beat the game at level 1, since basically everything scales to your level.

Anyway, in short:

They made the mechanics even less complicated (compared to, for example, Morrowind) to cater to the vast sea of utter f*cking morans that play on consoles and need something more like CoD and less like an actual RPG. Oh, and who have to play on sh*tty little controllers, instead of a mouse/keyboard, making the game even less interesting and harder to control.

Really, I like Skyrim, but it's really goddamn sad to think what it might have been if not for goddamn console gamers.

Wow, you're an idiot.

Skyrim isn't the first ES game on consoles, everyone complained about levelling in Oblivion (although I was fairly fond of it since maxing a character actually took work), people praised Fallout's system, so it was pretty logical.

It has absolutely nothing to do with console gamers, so stuff it.

Additionally, you bemoan the state of Skyrim's system yet proffer a lame method for avoiding Oblivion's and make the game too easy. That sounds like a perfectly good reason for overhauling the levelling system in the first place.

Oh, and grow a pair and learn how to use a controller. KB & mouse is kiddie mode.

Flappyhead:Hope Bethesda makes it an actual challenge instead of 9999 HP and one hit kills.

Unfortunately, that's most likely the tact they'll take. That's pretty much what "uber boss" means nowadays: That One Boss that caters to the munchkin crowd, who crunch numbers and brute force their way through anything because god forbid they be forced to think. I shudder at the thought.

You know, the guys who say destruction sucks in Skyrim.

Because otherwise, they'd muck around until managing to smear the boss with one LAWL ARROWZ from the HAX CANNON! then proceed to go to forums everywhere to spam "OMGWTX BETH U SAID DIS WUD BE UBAR BOSS I ONE SHOT NOOB THIS GAME SUX". That's just the state of gaming right now, where a stupid ass tank and spank attrition fight that allows the player to wave their e-peen is "OMG SO EPIC GR8ST FITE EVAR".

I never finished the Dark Brotherhood quests...(spoilers, if it matters at this point..) when I was faced with the dilemma of the three prisoners I chose option D: turn around and shoot that uppity biatch in the face with my forged and enchanted Daedric bow. At least I figured out what that abandoned shack in the middle of the marsh was for.

I killed all three of them. Glad to see the programmers added a line if you thought of taking that option.

You can also kill the Dark Brotherhood recruiter, which starts a quest line to kill all of them except ...

As for future Tamriel adventures, I'd like to see the next one set in the Khajiit homelands. The latter could be a way to unseat the Thalmor from that land, and have plenty of criminial weirdness with the cat folks -- Elsweyr sounds like a mix of Colombian drug plantations, ancient temples (picturing Angkor Wat with cat faces) and slum megacities straight out of Calcutta and Rio de Janeiro. Throw in some ancient Elven and Dwarf ruins and decrepit Imperial forts in the deserts and jungles ...

Course we could just go for the jugular and go to the Altmer capital island for the next go around.

I took the Laser Commander and energy weapons perk where crit hits and kills would cause plasma explosions. Use an upgraded tri-beam, laser RCW or gatling laser, the superwasps weren't much of a problem -- at a distance from the blasts, of course.

Doing the Old World Blues add-on early also helps in getting "free" anti-cazador perks.

Saturn5:Gonz: Let me play Skyrim for an hour, and I become exceptionally racist towards the Thalmor, and want to kill them all.

I have a trophy room full of mannequins wearing the Hooded Thalmor robes of those I've killed. I may start collecting their heads, but I need to brush up on decapitations. Usually all that's left is an ash pile.

My favorite moment in the game came just after I had finished ransacking the Thalmor prison to rescue that dude from Windhelm. As I was heading down the road one of those trios showed up and attacked me on sight. After I dealt with them I found one was carrying a note describing how I had done great damage to the Thalmor cause and was to be killed on sight. It gave me just a little hint of pride knowing that I had made those bastards hate and fear me.

akula:Yeah, I'm somewhere in the mid 60s, and unless I spend a fark ton of time doing boring crap like pickpocketing and buying/selling useless crap just to level some stealth or speech skills, I'm as high as I'm going to be going. Hell, the last few levels have been because I've been grinding stats in skills I just haven't used much (either magic or combat styles I didn't specialize in). It just started becoming a job and the result is I haven't fired up Skyrim in months. I doubt I will, either. It was a fun game and a good value for my entertainment dollar, but I just don't feel the desire to create a new character and try another style or grind my way to level 80.

I can see why others would, but I think I've had my play out of this one.

Use the Oghma Infinium exploit if it's that much of a hassle for you to level.