The Foxnews ticker at the bottom of the screen is reporting that Israeli intelligence may have known about the September 11 attacks beforehand and yet didn't tell the U.S. Anyone have a link to this story so I can peruse it myself? I seriously doubt the legitimacy of the claim, but I would have to withhold judgment until I read the story itself.

Said the Israelis have quite an intelligence operation going on here in the USA.

I'm sure we have quite an intelligence operation going on there, but if we had info on an incoming attack, we would have told them. If true, I find this particularly disturbing. Its rather personal: I am a huge supporter of Israel and often find myself arguing that the U.S. should allow them to kill Arafat. If the report is true, it would be a definite stab in the back.

Oh, I totally agree. I forget which reporter did the story, but he referenced Israel's "survival instinct." Well, okay, fine. We ARM them and give them aid so they can survive. Not to mention how many times we've up for them at the UN. I'm sure it's been a topic of discussion.

ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

"They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official.

The CIA has said that it had no hard information that would have led to the prevention of the hijacking, but the FBI said it believed that cells operating within America and totalling at least 50 terrorists were behind last week's devastating hijacks; the names of new suspects are being added to the list daily.

America's intelligence agencies are being widely blamed for their failure to predict the attacks, or anything like them, and for not discovering any of the terrorist cells before the hijackings on Tuesday. Some of those who took part had lived in the US for months, or even years.

Evidence that a clear Israeli warning was delivered to American authorities, but ignored, would be a further blow to the reputation of the CIA, which is under fire for its failure last week.

An administration official in Washington said: "If this is true then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll. It is quite credible that the CIA might not heed a Mossad warning: it has a history of being overcautious about Israeli information."

Not sure what the "news" in that kind of story would be. After all even our intelligence people knew about the 9/11 attack several years in advance. It was all laid out in the trial of the terrorists who tried to blow up the WTC.

I mean - hey - this is NOT NEW!

The message was ignored by Bill Clinton and his fellow Clintonistas. They thought they'd solved the problem by blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan.

Of course, there's a huge difference between "something big and bad will happen soon -- but we're not sure where, in what form and on what date," and "on the morning of 9/11/01, hijacked planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and one unknown target."

Conspiracy fans (and I'm not calling you one) generally can't or won't make that distinction.

My question is would it have made any difference if we had ironclad proof on say 09/05/01 that the event was going to happen? I submit to you no it would not have mattered. Some liberal suck federal judge would have ordered the suspects release. Or ALCU would have filed a friend of the court brief. Given the PC climate in the US pre-09/11/01 I think having the ironclad proof would only have postponed the act.

"The Fox ticker at the bottom of the screen is reporting that Israeli intelligence may have known about the September 11th attacks beforehand and yet didn't tell the U.S."

I don't believe it. I flat out don't believe it.

Thanks to the Freeper who posted in response that Israel did in fact report details in advance about the possibility of a major terrorist operation with links to Osama bin Laden. Too bad the paper pushers at the FBI, CIA etc. let dreams of future promotions and bonuses cloud their judgement.

Of course, there's a huge difference between "something big and bad will happen soon -- but we're not sure where, in what form and on what date," and "on the morning of 9/11/01, hijacked planes will be flown into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and one unknown target."

Conspiracy fans (and I'm not calling you one) generally can't or won't make that distinction.

Agreed. I would bet the CIA knew something was going to happen at some point, but had no idea what, when, or where and who was going to be involved. The claim that the CIA knew exactly what was going to happen on September 11 is pure madness. Of course, what can one expect from the same people who claim the U.S. knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. In that case, like September 11, U.S. intelligence were fairly sure an attack was coming, but they thought the target would be the Phillipines.

I recall a NYPost article where a Brooklyn school kid (Islamic) said to one of his classmates, "See those towers? They won't be there tomorrow". Sorry for the lack of link. In those days, so much was happening, that I didn't save every issue. But I do have some, and I will review them.

The only thing I can say is that I thought it odd that many more hadn't been sacrificed. The towers held at least 40K people when full on a busy business day. Of course the time of the first attack was a bit early. But then, why was that? Poor planning or the beneficience of Allah?

Well I think it's irresponsible of Fox to report something like this in that manner. IMHO something like that (if it were real) would be a huge story, breaking news, they wouldn't report it like that; that's why I don't think it's real.

If it were true, it would certainly affect the way I look at the Israeli government, but I sincerely, sincerely doubt that it is true.

Saw the 12am repeat of Brit Hume's Fox News Special Report. This story was an eye opener. And part of a "four part series" I believe he said.

The reporter is Carl Cameron.

I'd post a link but can't find anything on the foxnews site about this story.

It was a lot more than just a blip on the ticker. Brit Hume started with a reference to Pollard. Some outrageous stuff: they put up a map of the USA and marked 10? 20? states with suspected Israeli intelligence operative groups. They listed just about every major govt agency as being "targeted" by these groups. They gave a description of one group as posing as "art students". Another was selling toys at malls nationwide. Foxnews called the toy operation a "front". Apparently the company closed all of its mall "kiosks" fast and put up an excuse on their website. I can't remember the address. Fox showed the site and quoted from it.

Carl Cameron quoted from several sources various what I would call fairly outrageous accusations. Think the title of this thread is misleading. The real gist of the story was the existence of a very aggressive coordinated nationwide network of foreign intelligence agents.

There was mention at least twice I believe that in CA the Israelis were spying on Arab groups. This was a relief. But the other parts of the story were about US agencies being targeted. A long list!

Seems Foxnews is the most pro-Israel news on TV. Especially Brit Hume's show. That's why this was more of a shock. Think these are the last people in the media who are going to spread wild rumors about the Israelis.

As grownups we gotta recognize allies spy on each other. It's part of the game but this story pissed me off! I will tune in tomorrow and see what part II says.

There was a story at the end of August on various internet news services saying that the jihadists had something big planned. It was hardly secret as friends of mine retrurning from Tokyo said that security was much heavier returning home than going there.

When the "spinners" get to this it should be a sight to see! FOX is owned by a Saudi Prince FOX is a left-wing pro-Arab network Brit Hume is a front for David Duke Brit Hume has sold out to the Hollywood lefties Fake! Fake! No source - No source It'll be fun to watch! :-)

THINK ABOUT IT. Why on Earth would Israel not tell us. Makes no sense.

How about maybe they didn't want us to know how pervasive their spying is in this country?

I saw the report - it was by Carl Cameron - but it went by so quickly that I don't remember the details. Unfortunately, Fox News doesn't post a transcript. But there is supposed to be a follow on this evening. In fact Carl's report was mentioned as the first of four parts (I think).

I was livid after I heard the report. Apparently many of the Israeli "spys" are being detained and some of them are Israeli military personnel.

One thing that I remember Carl saying was whether the Israeli spys knew about the WTC incident before 9/11. He quoted someone - I don't remember if by name or position (I was so livid at this point that I wasn't registering well). This person said "How could they not know?"

The "spys" that were working the malls were selling little "helicopter" toys from their kiosks. They apparently disappeared overnight.

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