You would wipe your ass with our most sacred and important document that basically gives government the authority to exist. If you say it is not valid
then you are saying that the government is not valid.

You either want us to have another revolution so as to depose the current non-valid government. OR
You want us to follow an illegitimate government that has nothing that establishes its authority.

What you are speaking of when you do away with the constitution is TREASON.
You don't belong in a democratic society. You want a dictatorship. Please move to your nearest one. Stop trying to destroy my country or you and your
own will eventually meet up with true Americans that will shed blood to protect something as sacred as our highest law.

You can say what you want, but you are not part of my country anymore. You want to establish another one. I and everyone like me (which is allot more
of us than you) will kill and die for that.

There is no other way to put it. You are on the same level as a foreign power trying to destroy our country. I and everyone like me will not let you.
The same way we wouldn't let some third world dictator kill people who oppose his illegal rule. We will stop traitors dead in their tracks.

This is no joke. You are talking big words here. You really want to be known as the traitors of our generation?
Good luck with that. You obviously don't know your country men that well.

I just flew out of Kona, Hawai'i a few days ago. We went through metal detectors and then walked over to our gate. The Kona airport is an outdoor
airport. When we got to our gate the only thing keeping us from running onto the runway was a three foot dirt and rock wall. There wasn't a TSA agent
in sight. There wasn't any type of security at all. How is that keeping us safe? What is there to stop someone from opening an emergency exit while
in flight? It's conditioning plain and simple. The Israeli's don't even use the body scanners and they are right in the thick of things. It's all
about fear mongering to make Americans give up their rights. This also happened about 75 years ago and we all know what the outcome of that was. Wake
up people. As flawed as our system is it is still a thorn in the side of those that wish to control us. Problem, Reaction, Solution. Look it up.

Originally posted by Konduit
Here's a question to ask yourself, when was the last time the TSA actually 'thwarted' a terrorist attack?

Every time there is a "real" terrorist they always somehow get on the plane anyways. Christmas day bomber, underwear bomber, shoe bomber on and on.
TSA is #ing useless in case you haven't noticed.

The porno radiation scanners have been proven USELESS but they still use them, not mention the people who passed the legislation for it own stakes in
the companies making them. Have you seen the scanner images? You see EVERYTHING. It's a porno theater and they have been caught singling out
beautiful woman for bodyscans ie. Miss America. Guarantee you TSA officers have pleasured themselves to these images, don't be naive. It's
disgusting.

These people ARE NOT trained professionals. They have been caught over and over lying, saying that they don't grope children, that they don't go on
the inside of the pants. LIES LIES LIES and they get caught every time and deny it or lie and say they won't do it anymore. They make you take off
your shoes and walk around barefoot/socks in an area where 100,000 other people have just gone through, very unsanitary.

Those who say flying is a 'privilege', not a right, it's called entrapment. You practically have no choice. You need to fly, we all do, and they
know this and we are forced to subjugate ourselves to slave training.

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Not only that, but those very same incidents were CREATED by the GOV.. FALSE FLAGS. It's freaking admitted already people. They keep doing these
terrorist flase flags to keep the illusion of fear and fraud of war on terror going, so the nazi TSA can continue.

The TSA is nothing more than a conditioning tool for the New World Order. If you don't know this already you're way behind. Every single person who
doesn't know this by now, you need to wake up.

Originally posted by camus154
Have you ever wondered if those of us who play nice with Big Brother are the smart ones?

Think about it the next time you call us "sheeple". Keyser Soze, is what I'm saying.

Dude what you said was really scarey for a multitude of reasons. I am sorry but this is hard for me to let go. If you don't want to educate yourself
on current affairs from multiple media outlets, at least don't pull the "keyser soze is what I am saying" crap on us.

The second amendment is the LAST pillar of sanity. With each jared loughner stunt in america and each norway massacre in europe, the gun laws are
getting tougher to the point of ZERO GUN OWNERSHIP.

When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment, they were not anticipating these things called "airplanes" in which
people would sneak bombs onto and kill hundreds of innocent lives.

It's called doing the right thing. If you think you're special and don't have to be searched, then get the hell off of an airplane. I don't trust
you - enough said.

omfg I'm so tired of people justifying this #, YOU DO NOT EVER WAIVER YOUR RIGHTS, THIS IS AMERICA YOUR RIGHT GO ABOVE EVERY #ING THING, EVERYTHING.
there is nothing that should ever waiver or be above our rights, No contracts no agreement NOTHING. YOU HAVE THESE RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING UNLESS YOU
DIE, you DO NOT WAIVER THEM.. FFS people stop justifying the fact your all idiots and basically are already in the slave mindset.

AND THE TSA Has and will never catch a terrorist, american politicians have private plane or flights.

So I went through the trouble of remembering my password to this site just so I could log in to reply to your statement defcon.

I don't want to start a flame war, but basically from your logic if we refuse to give up our rights as human beings, by signing the plane companies
contracts, we are forced to live our lives in the one continent, presumably till we die?

I do not know what your idea of freedom is, but to me that seems like a direct violation of our freedom.

And perhaps you'll rebut me by saying something similar to "those are the rules, deal with it." So I'll preempt it and state that I believe the
government should have taken over this function a long time ago. But obviously, and unfortunately, the government is just as crooked as the
corporations that run the plane companies.

Hopefully you can see that I am trying to argue how yes these immoral contracts exist, and are binding, but also how they are also breaching our
freedom and some sort of trustworthy body should be established to run the plane companies.

Originally posted by RomeByFire
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution and the Fourth Amendment, they were not anticipating these things called "airplanes" in which people
would sneak bombs onto and kill hundreds of innocent lives.

It's called doing the right thing. If you think you're special and don't have to be searched, then get the hell off of an airplane. I don't trust you
- enough said.

Here is an idea I just thought of.......YOU and the people who are paranoid of suicidal bombers should FINANCE the tsa personal, BUY the
scanners.............and GO THROUGH THEM!

Everyone else with more common sense need not be hassled. We can drive to the airport an hour beforehand, check-in our luggage, go have a nice meal,
then board the plane watch a movie in peace along with a nice cold budweiser, and have a nap till touchdown.

this mentality that everything old is not valid is what retarded people were convinced of in F-ing Nazi Germany when they were burning books. They did
away with everything "old" saying it was not valid and then proceeded to accept what their glorious leader defined as valid.

Are you people retarded. This single document protects you against abuses. Why in the world would you try and rid yourself of it?

It's like walking into a combat zone without armor
"nah bro, That old protection is junk, I got this cool looking plastic bag I put on my head."

It is TREASON to argue against the constitution.
I can't believe I am saying this but "love it or leave it." The world is a big place. Leave.

let's pretend I'm a terrorist....
guess what.....while you were waiting in a congested screening line while the TSA checks a 3 year olds underpants I just decided to blow up the entire
line before anyone even sees the plane.

Still feel safe?
TSA=complete fail. The serve no purpose other than to strip you of your dignity and civil rights....

Can't believe you didn't even notice....amazing...you logic assumes that terrorists are out to get planes and not people. You make no sense, but
you'll probably never get it.

If policies that have been in place for decades were actually enforced, we wouldn't need all the extra nonsense. The underwear bomber got on an
INTERNATIONAL flight WITHOUT A PASSPORT. Let's see what would happen if any of us tried to do that. Instead of disciplining the security for not
following protocol, we the people are subjected to chemotherapy. Go figure

Circumnavigation of our Constitution for LE matters apart from terrorism is what they are doing - that is not acceptable. It is time we give them
definitions to stop their abuse.

It appears that they are using the excuse of terrorism to police us without our constitutional protections for all other offenses that are not
dangerous or necessary a safety problem for airline travel.

Not only that, they are abusing our elderly and our children in a manner that is unacceptable to many of us.

At some point the flying public has to be trusted and most want to draw the line somewhere prior to the useless drug & money scanners that just allows
abuse and provides little or know use at fighting terrorism. They are electronic strip search machines regardless of any secondary fake display they
come up with - that is unacceptable.

Its called critical thinking. What I have said - quite clearly in the context of my whole comment - is that it is ignorant to discount the
possibility that in this instance (not all instances), the Constitution's line might not be valid, relevant or appropriate. The only other
criticisms you are making have been roughly and incorrectly extrapolated. I've never said the Constitution doesn't apply any more. Stop being
silly.

The best bit of your post though was this gem:

Originally posted by CaptChaos
Since you are not American, who cares WHAT you think, anyway?

Originally posted by defcon5
If you give people something to gripe about, some always will.
Others go in looking for a fight because they are on a crusade and trying to make a point.

Ultimately though, they have no leg to stand on. The Contract of Carriage for an airline, which you agree to when you purchase your ticket, gives them
the right to do any type of search they wish to you. You waive your rights as part of the contract between you and the airlines, to travel as their
passenger.

The response to this is typically, “well I have to fly”, but the truth is flying is not a right, its a privilege. You are traveling as a guest of
a company, and have agreed to their terms for that trip including the searches. Nobody forces you to fly, and its really not the airlines fault if you
need to be somewhere in a big hurry (aka an emergency on your part, does not make an emergency on their part).

Others will gripe that they have to fly because of their job, but again, no one forced them to take a job that involved airline travel, and if they do
not wish to comply with the airlines, they can get another job that does not require traveling, or they can take the company private jet

. If
their job forces them to fly, that is neither the airlines, nor the governments fault, and has no bearing on the two party contract you form with the
airlines on receipt of your ticket.

Hmm, but how come there isn't an alternative airline choice without security that people can choose? aha... this term of the private contract between
me and the airline is not established by the airline on its own terms, it is established by the FAA.

While your argument when applied to most private choices citizens make, in the case of airlines it means the only choice is to not travel at all
because of a mandate.

I am generally with you, I think people complain too much, and my personal experience has never been negative. I don't care whether I am pat down or
scanned, I'll do either. I do find it troubling that I am in a position of having to demonstrate my lack of bad intentions, and this is a trend
throughout daily lives.

For example, when I go to the hardware store I have to watch a video of myself at the checkout counter as a reminder that they are watching me.

I am treated with suspicion in many areas of my daily lives.

And I try to understand how I have in the past reacted to this constant reminder, and my reaction is, strangely, a feeling of guilt and a subconscious
need to "act innocent".

Turns out that it takes a conscious effort to avoid that when the suspicion reminders are so frequent.

I don't think enough study has been done on that subject, but my guess is that the average, tax paying, law abiding, hard working person feels like
it is normal to have to demonstrate their innocence in many checkpoints of their daily lives. That is a very strange world to live in.

Originally posted by FoxMulder91
First off, im Canadian, so perhaps I have a different mindset on the issue.

I personally like feeling safe when im on a plane, I like everyone being checked to make sure they dont have anything illegal on them.

I dont care if the person is young/old/has medical issues, etc. Everyone should be checked equally.

I dont see why people are attacking the TSA for making sure people are safe on their plane rides.

I see people doing their jobs to make sure innocent lives are not in danger.

Cheers

Either this post was created by a govt employee or its another human that has done no real research into the subject. Why does humanity consistently
look at an issue for 30 seconds, and think they know what's going on. I really don't know where to start. It is evident FoxMulder91 is still in the
Matrix, and really has no clue about life, and history of our civilization. If everyone thought like this we would have a society similar to Orwell's
1984.

If we are complacent, and give up our liberty for temporary safety, our future will be dark, and oppressive. Soon we will have police walking the
streets asking us for papers. Tic Toc...

So Foxy go onto YouTube spend 5 hours, and watch how the TSA operates. The day my 6 year old daughter is groped is the day the North American
Revolutions starts. Being Canadian I'm embarrassed to see this post.

let's pretend I'm a terrorist....
guess what.....while you were waiting in a congested screening line while the TSA checks a 3 year olds underpants I just decided to blow up the entire
line before anyone even sees the plane.

Still feel safe?
TSA=complete fail. The serve no purpose other than to strip you of your dignity and civil rights....

Can't believe you didn't even notice....amazing...you logic assumes that terrorists are out to get planes and not people. You make no sense, but
you'll probably never get it.

KA-BOOM!

What a sad argument. The deaths of people, unfortunately, are inevitable.. the point is keeping them from high jacking an airplane and using it as
another weapon to kill double maybe even triple the amount standing in a line.

Hmm, but how come there isn't an alternative airline choice without security that people can choose?

Just think about this for a second - do you honestly believe a private airline allowing check-in with no security would last five minutes as a
company? Who would fly with such a company? They wouldn't be able to guarantee your safety whatsoever.

If you are absoutely dead set on avoiding security, you can choose to charter a flight.

Do you drive a car on the highway? Why? don't you know that homicidal/suicidal maniacs could swerve into you head on and kill you?

Do you eat food prepared by people other than yourself? Why? Don't you know people with homicidal tendencies might poison your food and kill you?

See that young mother over there with her six year old daughter trying to get on the plane. Maybe she should be patted down along with her daughter
... they may just want to kill themselves along with everyone else on the plane.

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