Zeno-25:Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.

Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and nearly three million reserves.

The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.

The thing is: Would the North be desperate enough that if things went badly, they started using WMD's? If that's the case things will get ugly quick; won't last long however.

I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

NewportBarGuy:$20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.

Nah, any wealth in Best Korea goes to three places: to the Kim Jong family, to monuments dedicated to the Kim Jong family, and to the military. some of their hardware may be old, but it's well maintained. Besides, they've got enough long range artillery pointed at Seoul that they could level it in a day.

MrHappyRotter:Similarly I've declared war with Norway. Norway has 5 minutes to change its name or I'm going to refuse to acknowledge the international boundaries of Norway and I'm going to publicly release some fairly damning information about one of Norway's city-level internal middle managers.

hardinparamedic:Marcintosh: military technology? US companies sell them military technology ? WTF is THAT all about?

BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?

Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater. No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.

Sanctions imposed as a direct result of the atrocities commited by the Japanese in the Far East, including the Rape of Nanking. Ignoring the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army had been aquiring Liebensbaum for the better half of the 20th century in Asia up until that point, and raping and murdering their way through China, Korea, and every island they could get their hands on.

Please, don't drink the Historical Revisionist Kool-Aid. The Japanese were not the victims.

No, sorry no revisionists under this roof. Poor, lazy wording in play here. Thanks for the schoolin' tho-

hardinparamedic:Marcintosh: military technology? US companies sell them military technology ? WTF is THAT all about?

BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?

Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater. No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.

Sanctions imposed as a direct result of the atrocities commited by the Japanese in the Far East, including the Rape of Nanking. Ignoring the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army had been aquiring Liebensbaum for the better half of the 20th century in Asia up until that point, and raping and murdering their way through China, Korea, and every island they could get their hands on.

Please, don't drink the Historical Revisionist Kool-Aid. The Japanese were not the victims.

The Japanese military where just a bunch of reactionairy asswipes that dragged the whole government along with them. That is all.

NotoriousFire:No US sites carrying this story? Only BBC and linked Australian site?

I was wondering about this too. Not a peep on any of my usual mainstream US news sites (CNN, WSJ and the like). Maybe they're just asleep, or are lumping it into the same story as the nuke threats from earlier today.

I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!

Ummm....... Not to threadjack or anything buuuuuuuut.

The primary ingredient in most comercial rat poisons is actually warfarin sulfate, a blood thinner. Much cheaper and more effective in small doses to have the rats bleed internally and die... On the other hand many various ingredients, but not exclusively fluoride, show up in mouse poisons because of higher populations and trickier hiding spots, something that attacks the CNS is quicker and makes for easier location before rot stink....

An average healthy adult can swallow a whole tube of toothpaste with little chance of negative consequences. It is a warning on the label because it may cause developmental issues in very young children...

The scariest part of this, to me, is that they're shutting down their direct phone line to Seoul. We all know that the NorKos are never going to purposefully start a war they have no chance in Hell of winning. But, some random officer on a cannon at the DMZ could get a little too amped up on patriotism and paint thinner, start firing pot shots into the South, and drag us all into a shiatpile because there's no longer a way for the two sides to immediately talk things out.

dukeblue219:NotoriousFire: No US sites carrying this story? Only BBC and linked Australian site?

I was wondering about this too. Not a peep on any of my usual mainstream US news sites (CNN, WSJ and the like). Maybe they're just asleep, or are lumping it into the same story as the nuke threats from earlier today.

Yeah, rather odd. Kyodo now has a story linked on their English site, though I think it requires a log-in. But otherwise, still nothing - only stories about politics and Chavez...

Marcintosh:No, sorry no revisionists under this roof. Poor, lazy wording in play here. Thanks for the schoolin' tho-

No problem! I've just met my fair share of them on FARK. The Revisionism is one of the reasons that the Chinese and Japanese still can't set in the same room with eachother. Unlike Germany, the Japanese shame comes from losing WWII, not from commiting acts of inhuman genocide.

Rwa2play:The Japanese military where just a bunch of reactionairy asswipes that dragged the whole government along with them. That is all.

Oh no, it was far more than the Japanese Military. It was racism at the highest levels of the Government, the emperor himself even. The Nanking Massacre itsself was conducted with the blessing of Prince Asaka himself.

Only Hirohito and his family got a free pass thanks to the US realizing that they would never be able to build a country without the Emperor's backing. You have to remember that, to the Japanese people, this man was a living God. They were willing to commit acts of suicide en masse at his command without even a second thought.

So Tojo and every other Class-A war criminal took the blame, and the US went with it gladly because they could easily buy the peace of the Japanese people during occupation. There were suprisingly few acts of terrorism and retaliation when compared with Germany during the post-war period.

Olympic Trolling Judge:No. No more half-assed responses. We need to go full Honey Boo Boo on him, and the international community be damned!

We don't have a heavy bomber or missile platform capable of putting Honey Boo Boo on the peninsula. Our generals tried and tried to warn us about the Honey Boo Boo gap, but we only ridiculed them. "They're crazy," we said.

A while back I heard there were only seven nations on the world left without being part of the global controlled network of central banks. The list had Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya on it then. Now I think it is down to Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Cuba.

Did Kim Jong Un actually say any of this about nuking the US? I thought I read that it was an "anonymous" figure in the NK administration.

Did he denounce it? Then he said it.My best guess is that one way or another his days as leader are numbered.And you know what, this may have been his plan all along since taking office. To push it as hard and as fast as he could and then take an early retirement.Like Rodman :)

cptjeff:The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

Nogrhi:If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.

No, they can't.

1. They have maybe/possibly/probably detonated a nuclear device or two. Maybe. That does not equate to a series of launchable, deliverable, weapons.

2. They have yet to demonstrate any accurate targeting beyond 'go up, come down, hit the ocean'.2.1 Putting something in orbit, once, is 1/3 the difficulty of putting a ballistic missile up, and bringing it down with some vague semblance of accuracy.

YouPeopleAreCrazy:cptjeff: The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

Nogrhi: If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.

No, they can't.

1. They have maybe/possibly/probably detonated a nuclear device or two. Maybe. That does not equate to a series of launchable, deliverable, weapons.

2. They have yet to demonstrate any accurate targeting beyond 'go up, come down, hit the ocean'.2.1 Putting something in orbit, once, is 1/3 the difficulty of putting a ballistic missile up, and bringing it down with some vague semblance of accuracy.

A full blown nuke not in this life time. But how hard would it be to take a normal artillery shell and load it with some nuclear material. It be nothing more then a dirty boom. But it would spread some bad stuff.

Fuggin Bizzy:Olympic Trolling Judge: No. No more half-assed responses. We need to go full Honey Boo Boo on him, and the international community be damned!

We don't have a heavy bomber or missile platform capable of putting Honey Boo Boo on the peninsula. Our generals tried and tried to warn us about the Honey Boo Boo gap, but we only ridiculed them. "They're crazy," we said.

Quite the opposite. But if you want to escape Darwin's grasp, you'll have to do it yourself. I can't in good conscience interfere with natural processes by trying to convince you. I've already done too much.

But, back on topic. My predictions for the seemingly inevitable confrontation, is that NK will either strike SK first hoping to provoke the US into attacking them, or the US will be struck first, and after the US is sent into chaos SK will be easily overwhelmed. China could suddenly become involved in either of these scenarios.

I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!

You do realise (just as an aside) that sodium fluoroacetate (aka 1080) hasn't really been EPA registered for use in rat poison for years, and its most common use is actually under fairly strict licensing conditions for poisoning of predators, right? (And a lot of that is because 1080 really IS stonking dangerous, rather more dangerous to us primates and to carnivores like dogs and cats than to rats. Probably the most widespread use worldwide anymore is in Australia and New Zealand to kill feral non-native animals--marsupials, as it turns out, aren't terribly sensitive to it.)

Sodium fluoride (and stannous fluoride, and Fluorostat or sodium monofluorophosphate) are rather different, and the main reason it's warned not to swallow them is the theoretical risk of fluorosis--basically causing mottling of the bones and (ironically) weakening of the teeth. (1080 actually kills much quicker and a lot of its action is as a neurodisruptor.)

It's pretty much the difference between water, ethanol, and methanol--one pretty much won't hurt you unless you drink enough to throw electrolyte balance way out of whack or you immerse yourself in it longer than you can hold your breath, one starts getting lethally toxic around the 30ml/L level, and the last will make you blind at very best and quite likely kill you. :D

/frankly thinking the rice chest might be too good for Un at this point--if he does go full nuketard, I vote that just this once we bring back scaphism or the "death of the boats" (warning: NSFLunch) as a sign that Some Shiat Isn't Tolerated

YouPeopleAreCrazy:cptjeff: The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

Nogrhi: If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.

No, they can't.

1. They have maybe/possibly/probably detonated a nuclear device or two. Maybe. That does not equate to a series of launchable, deliverable, weapons.

2. They have yet to demonstrate any accurate targeting beyond 'go up, come down, hit the ocean'.2.1 Putting something in orbit, once, is 1/3 the difficulty of putting a ballistic missile up, and bringing it down with some vague semblance of accuracy.

how accurate do you have to be to cause that funny emp effect that fries this thinga ma bopper I'm typing on?

Weaver95:RickN99: Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity. oooo! plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness. awesome job guys! thanks!

You should write a poem about this for your 9th grade lit class. Maybe you'll get a B and your parents will bump up your allowance.

If I'd wanted to hear your opinion, i'd have beaten it out of you. now go get yer shine box.

The_Original_Roxtar:oh please, PLEASE give us an excuse to push the button. all of the atom bomb footage I've seen has been grainy old stuff converted from film. I want to see IMAX quality 3d HD stuff.

/not really... but C'mon best korea... your brothers to the south have been at the forefront of technology for years now, and you're stuck in the early 70s.