Battle judge

Nice article. Just remember that when you create pages you should link to them in other articles so that people can find them (and improve them!). If they don't get links they'll end up on this dungheap. Cheers, —darklordtrom 11:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

A question

Ah... hello. I have a question relating a shipping article that I started (sorry, did so without permission...) and was deleted by Magnedeth for reasons I don't quite understand; it doesn't help that no discussion items were left behind.

The ship is the SoulSilver one (Silver/Lyra), from HGSS. That one ship bothers me to no end, but I acknowledge that it's valid, so I thought it would be a good idea to start the article over at the shipping category, where I couldn't find it by that name (the only one I know for it), nor by checking the category for Silver nor HGSS pairings. And since over at the TV Tropes wiki it's no big deal for anybody to create an article, I went ahead with the idea, and let it remain a stub because it really is not my ship of choice.

Shortly thereafter, the article was deleted. I went to look at the Project Shipping page (...again; I had checked it before many times), which was the one I guessed was the relevant one for the case, and I kind of didn't find my article violating the rules, so I was left with just a question (OK, at last, this one goes for you): why was the article on the SoulSilverShipping deleted? --KayiR 07:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

It was deleted on the basis that the article would never be more than a stub, and all of its hints would be the same as Huntershipping. It would be like making an article for Clingyshipping (Barry/Lucas), NewRivalshipping (May/Wally) or Namelessshipping (Fire!Red/Blue) and expecting the article to be exceptionally different from (and not something that could be c/p'd to) an article on Conflictingshipping (Blue/Leaf), Loverivalshipping (Brendan/Wally), or a game!version only article of TwinleafShipping.

Anything that could be said about SoulSilvershipping could be equally applied to Huntershipping; it's not exactly an exclusive 'ship in terms of its hints. And seeing as the opposite gender NPC doesn't crash into the rival at any point (save for the very beginning), the NPC cannot give an individual account of what they think of Silver, which takes even more individual hints away. The entire basis of either 'ship needs to come from Silver (you being the silent protag), and anything he says to Lyra is also the same thing he says to Ethan. So what's considered a hint for one must be considered a hint for the other. It'd be a pretty bias article, on that front. I'll think about if anything can be done in other ways for the couple, but as an individual article, I don't think it will stand up. Thank you for asking, though. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Mmm... And shouldn't it be better to at least acknowledge its existence, then say something like "the hints that apply to HunterShipping apply for SoulSilverShipping"? I mean, in case someone else with the same idea as me, but an actual supporter of the ship, came around and made an even bigger fuss? --KayiR 17:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

We hold stricter notability standards for shipping articles. Not every pairing thought of by three fans deserves an entire page. For the ships that aren't notable for their own pages, we have lists of ships. --electAbuzzzz 17:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Except SoulSilvershipping is popular, Buzz. However, popularity isn't a reason for notability if its article cannot sustain itself properly. And if people who support it come along and wish to make it, they will likely be given the same reasons they cannot. And like I said, I'll think of something for it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't some shipping articles have "other names for this ship" sections? Maybe a similar section could be added to HunterShipping, noting that SoulSilverShipping is the shipping name for Silver/Lyra, which goes by the same hints... I realize this could cause a fuss for a completely different reason, but it was the first thing I thought of, so I thought I'd suggest it. 梅子❀✿ 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

That simply means they're destined in some fashion; if this were a shoujo series, I'd be more inclined to agree, but it's shounen. It ain't canon until they're confirmed feelings. Frantic did it, and even Graceful referred back to having been ex-canon and possibly future canon. Commoner is apparently one-sided, which doesn't make it canon at all in terms of romance, but canon in terms of character traits.

I don't take kindly to people who assume 'ships are true when they are undoubtedly not. In the mean time, the red string is still only a hint. A hint to possibly something bigger, but even without a partial confession, or a scene where it's obvious their dating, it's not canon. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Luckyshipping

For the trivia you mentioned, "I was wary of the second piece of trivia before, but I've decided neither are viable. The rumor is left because its directly related to the manga's events". Did you notice it was in the trivia section? It's just some unimportant facts that people should know. It doesn't necessarily mean Trivia has to be with the Manga. Sorry to bother you about it ^^ Just wondering why it was removed.
Luckyshipping - Because they're lucky to be together 00:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I did notice it was trivia (I said it was as much). I removed it because while color-linking is common in video games, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a connection to the 'ship itself. Color-linking usually has a blue-red(-black) pattern, but in this case, it's not connected to the original series, seeing as it's Red/Green+Blue, not Red/Blue+Green (and that would only be a hint for the hero/rival, because the girl is the +1 regardless of what colors you do). J!Blue is an afterthought beyond J!Red/Green.

I also removed the trivia on BurningLeafshipping, because Red and Leaf don't exist in the same space in the games. If you choose Red, Leaf doesn't exist in-game, and vice-versa. It's commonly accepted they're meant to be the same person, as in, they're different gender variants of the same being: the hero. BurningLeafshipping has as much connection to Luckyshipping as Twinleafshipping has to Haughtyshipping: entirely different circumstances. One's relation has no impact on the other's.

First of all, you ought to give relevant titles to sections you make. "Headline text" doesn't explain a thing about what you're trying to ask. Secondly, you don't need to start a new section if your new post is on the topic of your previous section. Just indent (using ":") to reply to a previous post. --AndyPKMN 16:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, Coupleshipping is "Lucas/Mars/Dawn" and nothing Dawn/Ash/Drew/May/whatever related. And 3somes don't get articles. But any articles we do need are here, so please feel free, once you read the requirements for making an article. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Grings Kōdai

Hey, sorry to bug you, but I was wondering if we could get Kōdai moved to Grings Kōdai now. The movie's out, and I see no reason to believe that isn't his canon full name. Just wanted to ask. --The Great Butler 07:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

New Shipping

Excuse me, I have a very important shipping that needs to be added. I belive it is you i must talk to to create it. It is called either HatShipping or JohtoShipping, wich ever you think is better, and it is between Lyra and Ethan. Also, could it be on
Category:Shipping as well as The List of shippers? If nessacary, I will write the page for you. Its sorta like the FortuneShipping of Johto. Speaking of wich, you could probably edit piece of trivia no 8 a bit on your page. Yata.--Dermodio 15:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Lyra/Ethan is called HeartSoulshipping, and I'm not sure at all if they even interact enough in-game for an article. If you want to try to write an article, first make it in your userspace. Something like User:Dermodia/HeartSoulShipping and if the article turns out fine, we can make it a full-fledged article. But if it doesn't make the cut, it will not be. You understand? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Okely Dokely. I will do so as soon as possible. --Dermodio 09:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My edit in the AdvanceShipping article

Hi, I hope it's ok that I'm putting this here and not on the AdvanceShipping discussion page, but I was afraid you wouldn't see this there, since it wasn't used in nearly 2 years...

Anyway, You removed the part I added about the Prince and King of the Sea.

I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean to say that the titles are related is a fact, just that it's another possible support to the Manaphy sees Ash as his Father theory (I did call it a theory, after all). And Ash is called the King of the Sea, Ship states that "He who holds the Sea Crown shall become the true King of the Sea." when explaining Ash new powers (At least in the Japanese version, I didn't saw the dubbed version so I don't know if something similar was said there).

Again, I hope that I'm not doing anything wrong by putting this here. Cag 16:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wild speculation without basis doesn't belong on these articles, much like it doesn't belong on any mainspace article. Context is one thing, but nothing I removed is relative to the theory. You implied the titles were related simply by using it as "support" for a theory that's pretty far-fetched to begin with and shouldn't be in the article at all (but I'm letting it stay anyway). Without a connection to the titles, you're basically inserting fanon, and I've grounds to remove what isn't supported in canon.

And if that is the line, then Ash's claim to the "King of the Sea" title is a throw-away line, BTW. Nothing more than a statement connecting back to the legend without impacting Ash's story. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't exactly say I agree with you about it being baseless speculation, but I see your point (Well, since you're the project leader, I guess it doesn't really matter whether I see your point or not XD). Oh well, at least most of my edit is still there for now. Thanks for answering my question! :) Cag 19:51, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Shipping article

ok so can i add ships i think need an article in the Well it would be nice... section? Mash4eva 15:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You could, but if I don't think the pairing would make a decent article, I'll only take it off. And if you make too many of those, it'll only be annoying, you know? It's too presumptuous. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 16:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

NegaiShipping

Does the link at the bottom count as "hints"?Patrickmck 22:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The link at the bottom counts as an external link to a person's personal blog/website. It's content is also questionable and biased, despite claiming otherwise, as context is not given. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

ok i'll stop adding to the shipping list like crazy

sorry if that offended you. the reason why i added to the list because there's a lot of shippings i think need pages to them. one shipping though i think needs a page the most is curtainshipping. - unsigned comment from Mash4eva (talk • contribs)

You didn't "offend" me; but what you seem to think needs an article really can't, only because there's absolutely no substance to any you've added so far. Now, Curtainshipping has had an article before. It was deleted in a purge. It wasn't a good article then; there wasn't much to Maylene or Reggie's interactions beyond "they know each other." Not to mention, it's not a notable 'ship anymore, and that's what matters at this point. Curtainshipping doesn't have notability. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 05:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

ok and do you who runs the incomplete shippers list?Mash4eva 01:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll give you that but five-six days ago we made a similar misconception when our very own Editor-In-Chief made a similar page, believe it or not, he was wrong at the time, it hadn't been confirmed yet, at least, according to MAGNEDETH. [1] --Landfish7 16:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

All of which I'm well aware of, and more. What you seemed to have missed it that, despite the move "not being confirmed" publicly, it's been done. Have you looked on the pokémon pages? Any one that has a dismbig? They were all updated with the disambig in the header. By mods. By Deth himself? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The reason people were editing the pages before is because other people were editing the pages. Just because people are editing the pages, including Deth, or even TTE, that STILL doesn't confirm the change. --Landfish7 17:11, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Kid, I know you seem worried, but what part of "the change is done" is not sinking in? If I'm wrong, I'll get reprimanded. By staff. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:22, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It's just I made the same mistakes, it's rather most of us are ALL wrong, or the admins need to confirm it in the forums or on bulbanews A.S.A.P. --Landfish7 17:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I know you made the mistake; I also know it wasn't your fault. I'm also a moderator on the forums. Something like this? Not going to be mentioned in News. They did confirm it on the forums. Ta. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Disambig

Welp, they wanted the number of pages in the category decreasing, and it's the only way. And red links are bound to appear all the time, and they'd be eventually blue links as the time progresses, but I'll stop until I see activity on it. I kinda stepped back yesterday when I wanted to make these changes since the Disambiguation pages were red links after all. Masatoshi: Gen. II>All.Discuss. 21:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Dude, eventually there will be a Disambig for that pokemon, or you can make one yourself, but just don't redlink them. Gliscorguy54 21:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

There's a misconception abounding, apparently. That status bar doesn't mean: they all have to have disambig links now...or else we would have done it already. Some of the pogeys you just redlinked for won't be getting necessary disambigs for a loooong time. They aren't necessary until they're necessary. We avoid redlinking in this kind of situation. If we don't need the article, there shouldn't be a link. If we do, the red link is there to serve as a reminder that we do. The disambigs = not necessary yet. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

That's just because you're a little ambitious. Which isn't wrong at all. It takes a bit of figuring, that's all. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Help...

I am having a problem. It says that we need a NeoRocketShipping article, but I don't know how to make the thing with the Luvdisc... And when I am trying to put a photo on the page, how do I control where it goes on the page?

I'm really sorry for bothering you, but I really need help...

Thanks,Eliza 23:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

New Ship

Don't you think there should be a page for Chris and Eusine? There are so many hints; it'd be a great page!
I'm not saying it has to be done now, or anytime soon, but just think about. That's all I ask.

Dub hints

I was wondering what your stance on dub hints are. I've seen that one user keeps removing hints from RocketShipping on the basis that they are dub-added lines and don't matter. But PokéShipping has many dub hints listed. So should dub lines be allowed or removed? Or does it depend on the situation? --ケンジのガール 02:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The Rocketshippers monitoring that article believe the only hints of merit are the ones from the original source. It's a bad double standard that I understand where they're coming from, since a dub can't make canon what isn't from the original, but at the same time, you're right, we do have a lot of dub-added hints in the others. Ultimately, we're catering to an English speaking audience, and I wonder in that case, maybe there should be a separate section on the article for dub stuff, since that is the version most people are familiar with. *rubs neck* But then comes being trouble in its own right, since most of the fanbase couldn't decipher crud for the raw version of their ship enough to make the comparison. Maybe a tag. (DUB HINT blah blah blah.) Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 04:03, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Confidence in abilities

Sorry for bothering you again. I just wanted to know if confidence in abilities are valid hints. Like how Cilan didn't worry too much about Pansage being sick after Iris gave it the medicine she had made.

I'm asking because a user reverted an edit I made about Iris being confident in Cilan's abilities in BW019 on the basis that "having faith is not a valid hint". Even though he says it isn't valid, hints like those are all over the place. I'd just feel better having a clear answer from you as I felt the revert was a little unjust. Especially considering what he said afterwards which is untrue of what actually happened.

Though I do admit that if I am allowed to add it back, I will word it slightly differently. --ケンジのガール 04:21, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Confidence is usually taken in the subtext of how the character is presented with its said (where the person is in the frame, like a close-up, or Ash's reaction to it), and can usually be a best-judgment thing. Having not seen the episode (yet?), I couldn't tell you if it should stay or not. ._. On the other hand, if it was put in there and even if it's a valid point, is it a valid hint without the shipping goggles? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Looking at it now, maybe this one particular isn't that strong, given how Iris put it. It was just the reason for its removal that bothered me. This is good to know that they are valid hints. Thank you for clearing it up :) --ケンジのガール 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's definitely all about context and presentation. =) If the writers and animators want something to mean something, they will show it somehow, be it slight or obvious. That said, ^^; we might have to go through the rest of those kinds of hints. *grk* Toss-out lines are basically the same as being saved: nice to hear and see, but can it count? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Moves and abilities

Don't add the move tag. We know they need moved. All it does is create extra work removing it that could be spent moving the pages faster. MaverickNate 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

To answer you question...

Official guide proved wrong?

Hi, I saw this edit summary mentioning me and the guide on the White Forest page, and since I have been posting various things from it as what I believed was correct, I thought I'd ask, what in it is known to be wrong?
About all I've noticed mistake-wise is stuff like an extra space before a closing bracket... Thanks in advance, Bluesun 11:25, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, it was merely that the table you provided concerning the BC/WF trainers (I assume your thoroughness in double-checking what you've provided, so I assume the table is exactly what the guide says). First thing I noticed was how the trainers in Back City own the evolutions of the pokémon they generate in White Forest. The table you provided, however, said Lena generates Azurill when she owns Gallade and Gardevoir, meaning she would generate Ralts. But since we don't have Molly's trainer info to back the difference, I was simply using the table to reference the surfing pokemon, and not using it to enter /all/ the trainers in, only leaving out the ones we don't have the team info for. =o I hope this clarifies it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:52, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ah, oh, I can be dumb sometimes. After I spent so long checking that table, somehow I swapped the Pokemon for Lena and Molly. Thanks for noticing, and apologies that I made a mistake like this. I've noticed too that they have the evolved forms in Black City, but they're not listed in the guide... Either way, I've now edited my original post, but if after this you don't believe in the accuracy of the rest of it, feel free not to. Sorry. x.x Bluesun 14:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

^^; I suppose I'm used to guides getting things wrong. Sorry for not asking if it was a mistake or not. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:46, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

What are all those oval things at the right side of the page? Sorry... I couldn't help asking.
GAH- I keep forgetting the four tides, so here they are:Bulbamelia 01:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

And how do you put one on your page?Bulbamelia 23:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I would advise you not to touch your userpage until the edit limitation has lifted, but you can view the code of the page. Anything that starts with Template: is used inside these {{}} brackets. If it's Template:User Shipper, you simply put "User Shipper" inside the {{}}. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Burgh/City

Come on, you know that it's stupid. That's not how Nintendo names characters. And I don't see how living in Castelia, not any other city makes a difference here. --Maxim 15:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Castelia's based on New York's biggest metropolis, while every other city and town in these games has never come close to being depicted as city-like before. =p The character who people confuse as Jewish by looks alone trains bugs in the big city? I think someone was having a giggle that day, because of ANY bug-based name they could have picked, they picked one that makes the longest stretch and happens to correlate to where he lives. And no, I don't know how TPCi names their characters, because I'm not on the localization team, and neither are you. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Umm

Why exactly was this similarity removed? I'm a bit confused... Is it because Sewaddle has since evolved and may not have the same ability? If that's it, I can reword it differently. The point was that that both of their Pokémon had their abilities revealed in that episode. The similarity is not that different to the one about them both catching a Pokémon in BW035 which was left there. --ケンジのガール 00:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, for butting in, but I really don't think that two trainer's Pokémon having both of their abilities revealed in the same episode counts as a romantic thing. I'm just saying. :--SuperAipom7(Questions?) 00:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It's not meant to be counted as romantic evidence. They're not even under the "evidence" part. It's more like trivia. All of the ships have a similarity section. --ケンジのガール 00:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Again sorry, but didn't we delete all comparisons of anime Pokémon pages? Does this count too? :--SuperAipom7(Questions?) 00:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It is acceptable for Shipping as the page is mostly fanon interpretation anyway. --ケンジのガール 00:59, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I'm very sorry. Just wondering. I don't really know much about shipping anyway. Sorry for that. :--SuperAipom7(Questions?) 01:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The wording made it sound like there was too much emphasis on them being "part bug with abilities starting with S". If the idea was "they were revealed at the same time," it's lost in the wording simply because that last sentence doesn't sound like an afterthought, but the main thought. Abilities being revealed is also a little too trivial. I know abilities being revealed is a big thing, but it strikes me more as really grasping to say something about the subject at hand. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

So... If it just didn't have that one part would it be okay? Worded like the Pokémon capture one? I'm not saying it's necessarily a "big deal", but it is a similarity. I know some similarities are omitted because they can change but that really can't. --ケンジのガール 01:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I suppose? I mean, it can be rewritten, of course. I'm not against the idea; I like trivia. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Personal Pic?

On the PearlShipping page, there is a personal image, but it is an image of Ash and Dawn sharing a high-five. Is this really considered a personal image then? :--SuperAipom7(Questions?) 01:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's not really doing anything for the article except being animated. The still-frame high-five is more shipper than that is, to be frank. If it were removed, I won't miss it. If it was meant to be a personal image and not an image uploaded for the purpose of being added to the article, it probably shouldn't be there at all. ...Which doesn't mean save it as a shipping image to preserve it. The image can go. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Official congratulations

Thank you for all the contributions you have made here, and welcome aboard the Bulbapedia staff (officially)! —♥Jellotalk 03:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Anything I can do?

Do you know of anything floating around on Bulbapedia that I can help with currently? Just wondering. :--SuperAipom7(Questions?) 01:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Bite

Another Moderator told me that Pokemon that learn a move from a pre-evolution (but do not learn it themselves) should still remain on the breeding fathers list because they are still part of their natural learnsets. I don't know if that's changed / if you've heard differently from another higher-up, but I've reverted your edit for now. Examples where this also occurs is how Vibrava / Flygon are listed under Feint, while only Trapinch learns it and Vileplume is listed under Moonlight, when only Oddish / Gloom learn it.Gymnotide 11:09, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

If a pokémon cannot naturally learn a move in its own, why should it be listed as a father? If you have a Vibrava, thinking you'll be able to heartscale for Feint to breed onto a Gligar, you're basically giving false information, since it's not true. If it's listed in the can-learn list, it's a proper father. But if the only Eevee you have is Espeon with Psybeam/Morning Sun/Swift/Power Swap, you aren't gonna be getting a Rattata with Bite from it. Fathers should be the most readily available to have the moves in their move pool; if an evolution does not have said move in their move pool, they cannot be a father by proxy. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 12:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Alright. I wasn't sure, which is why I wrote on your talk page. Nearly all other breeding charts that I've seen has this error then--which is why I never edit them >___> However, thanks for clearing that up. Arcanine can't learn Bite in Gen II either. Gymnotide 12:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Noooo!! Arcanine learns Bite in Gen III :P But... What do we do about chain-breeding then? Some Pokemon list chain-breeding targets when they have non-chained fathers as well. Should these be removed? Gymnotide 14:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah jeez. I'm too used to thinking "start with Gen 2". Breeding should come in levels. If an egg move can be learned through a naturally-learned father, only those fathers should be in the table. If the father only learns the move through a TM/HM/tutor, that should be noted. And if the only way is through actual chain breed (regardless if their parent learned it naturally or through TM), only the earliest breeedable father should be in the table (meaning only Wailmer and no Wailord, and Mantine but no Mantyke, as examples). .... This makes more sense in my head. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me

Why wouldn't you change them all. It's pretty obvious that they will all need changed and that I haven't had a chance to finish what I'm doing, so I don't understand why you would leave it halfway done. MaverickNate 16:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Because the others hadn't been moved? It wasn't "obvious" at all that they all needed to be changed; maybe to you it is, but the constant moving of the TCG pages to new pack names is like a foreign language, so I'm not about to presume you're going to move the rest, if you haven't already. I just fixed the links so those pages wouldn't be "orphans". Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 17:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess I sometimes don't realize how foreign the way I try to do things would appear to other people not familiar with TCG. I'm sorry for the accusations. MaverickNate 19:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi

I noticed that, in the past, you've helped fill the Trainer class pages with Trainerlist templates. I'm currently trying to update the pages of the classes from Colosseum and XD. We already have most of the information across the characters and locations pages. Do you think you could help out again?--MisterE13 04:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Mm. I can help, if you need me to. Any of the trainers completely updated and can be ignored? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

RocketShipping

Hey Luna, I was wondering if RocketShipping should be added to this page under the Electric Tale of Pikachu, as the pair do get married in that canon, and have a child together. ★Jo the Marten★ಠ_ಠ♥ 22:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, definitely. Probably a table, since the information on their EToP information on the Rocketshipping page is sparse enough. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 14:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

LapShipping

In the shipping article, HatThiefShipping, it's said that the name of the relationship between Ash and Ambipom is LapShipping. I tried to create the page, but could only come up with one sentence, and therefore was deleted. I was told to ask you for permission to create it. If there is a shipping name that is listed but hasn't been created, I think it's time to do so. What do you think? Satoshi101 01:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

HatThief and Lap are 'ships that both belong in the same article, because you're dealing with the same two characters (evolution doesn't change that). If you wish to contribute to Lapshipping, it should be done on the HatThief page. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 03:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Shipping

Hey I noticed you were the leader of Project Shipping, so I decided to ask you about this. I recently watched Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea again and I noticed possible hints between Lizabeth and May. I also noticed hints for Cilan and Burgundy. Should I make Userspace articles about them and hopwfully get them mainspaced soon? Pokedex493 00:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Cilan/Burgundy already has an article here: SommelierShipping, so any further hints you have to contribute can be added to that. As for Lizabeth and May (Braceletshipping), it likely does not deserve its own article and should be added to either here or here (either or; they'll be melded together eventually) unless it becomes obvious that it should be its own article. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 02:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

PikarisuShipping

I know that sometimes you like to put categories in Shipping pages that are still in the userspace so people can find them an help contribute them before they are mainspaced. But I'm wondering if you can make an exception here. The user who made it has been gone for a long time and it doesn't have any real evidence. Like "Pachirisu standing next to Pikachu's ear" on that DVD cover. Really...? Not saying it has to be deleted, I just have a thing about it showing up in the Shipping space categories. However, it is your decision. I just see no hope for that article being taken seriously. --ケンジのガール 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't even know that one existed. Personally, not enough information to be an article on its own (and likely won't have enough ever), never mind it's not even the right name (Electrocuteshipping), but....think we could incorporate it into your anime list, for the time being? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I could try. So we can hide the categories so it doesn't show up there? --ケンジのガール 21:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

this seems tedious.

Why you don't program Bulbabot to add the Evolution link on every pokémon's page for you? adding the links to 639 pages manually seems tedious.--My r6g4rdz, TEH GIGA-UBER-1337-HAX0R(Mr-ex777) 13:41, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

It only seems tedious if you don't mind doing it. I don't mind in the least (gives me something to do), and it's not just the only reason I'm going through every pogey's page. Some of the links are there and some are not, among other things. Simple as that. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

He's LegandofThor2's sockpuppet; their edits are pretty much identical. Could you block them?--電禅Den Zen 16:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Shipping Confusion

Good afternoon Project Leader,I have a question to ask.
I've recently saw the pairings made in the Shipping section and came across this.
-PalletShipping: Ash and Gary-

As I've seen in the anime there is no sign of attraction between these two,actually Ash doesn't show any sign of attraction towards no character especially boys.
Also it would seem quite inappropiate to make homosexual pairings in the anime.Don't get me wrong,I am not homophobic.
In the ending I would like to say that a possible Shipping could be between Brock and Wilhelmina as seen in For Crying Out Loud.

The articles are to acknowledge belief and list what is used in canon to show why such a relationship might be possible. It's not inappropriate in the least, given the show canonically has pokémon falling in love with humans, so I'm not sure what your point is here. You aren't a Palletshipper; that's cool. Neither am I. Articles focusing on male/male and female/female won't be removed because people fear it "promotes" something (the anime barely promotes romance as is, and certainly doesn't promote most, if not ALL of the pairings made into articles); they will be removed if and only if they do not meet article standards.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean others don't. It's called shipping goggles. And Sissyshipping (Brock/Wilhemina) had its time; it is acknowledge she was one of the few who liked him (and fewer still who he liked in return), and while possible, it doesn't make it any less speculative to be "possible" and remains a non-canonical belief. Like the majority of the shipping articles. I hope this answers whatever you were trying to get across. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 16:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,I didn't meant to say it promotes anything,I meant to say it's inappropiate to be called homosexual pairings.On the other hand if they are male the pair could just be called... PokePals or Buddies,would sound more appropiate.And about Pokémon falling in love with humans,they fall for them as a pet for its master.Well,hope I didn't caused much trouble.

Then I'm not sure what you're getting at. 'Shipping is the belief of a romantic relationship, which means the term Palletshipping covers a homosexual pairing; to call it anything else is incorrect. Just because they are not a couple in canon doesn't make the belief of them a couple (thus "Palletshipping") any less gay. It's what it is. It's not a term for a friendship. ...And you might argue pet-to-master for Chikorita or Aipom, but most would agree that Latias was full-on in love with Ash (which is not the same thing as an adoring pet). And now I hope I've cleared up your inquiry. I'm sorry I misunderstod earlier. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 22:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well,yes,but that may be because of Latias' possibility of gaining human shape,you can't really call it zoophilia or as it said in Pokéhistory "Evolution has come, separating humans from Pokémon, to create the first humans",meaning that humans and Pokémons ar from the same species "and one folk tale even says that there was a time when humans and Pokémon were considered one and the same".Well I still disagree with the homosexual pairing,and I say it again I'm not homophobic.I'm not against Shipping,I just wanted to clarify my confusion.Well that's it for now.Thank you for your help.
--DJWolfy. 15:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Bulbapedia Issues

I've been having a lot of issues with Bulbapedia since BW2 was announced. I've been getting a lot of 503s and I'm starting to get annoyed. What's going on and why are the 503s happening? Pokedex493 18:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

It's due to the influx of users post-announcement. Seeing as they hit after big news, 503s are to be expected while more and more users access and view pages. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 21:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Shipping Splitshipping (Clay x Elesa)

I was told you were the person to come to for this.

I was sleep deprived when the paring popped into my head and upon looking it up i got Splitshippin, the "split" being Driftveil Drawbridge

reasons

Elesa is a fashion model and would likely have rich tastes...and Clay is rich

That's all i could come up with without knowing if she has daddy issues.

As much as I like Splitshipping personally, it's got only one interaction for a basis, and even then, all you could say at most about them canonically is "Clay trusts Elesa when it comes to trainers," but that's games only. That's not enough at all for it to have any sort of mention for it as an article or part of an article, though I'm hoping BW2 will shed more light on their relationship, if there is one.

That said, looking at what you were talking about with KG, Splitshipping /is/ on the Shippers' List. It's just that the Shipper's List and the list of 'ships here aren't one and the same; the list on BP is only for 'ships that have their own articles or are mentioned in group articles. The only complete version of the Shippers' List is here.Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 10:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I've been having some problems

A user named Force Fire has been increasingly difficult for me today, he seems as if he is following me, undoing almost everyone of my edits. I'll put down an 'incomplete' template and he'll remove despite the sections being missing and he has also removed my featured articles nomination, implying my opinion to nominate the page, Brock's Steelix, are wrong despite it fitting the critera and that their has been no vote. I've tryed to speak with him on his talk page but he does not reply and in edit summaries he justifies his actions by saying he is a junior admin. I think he is an admin but I still feel hasseled and partially victimized

My other problem is actually nominating the page, never done it before and I'm not sure I'm doing it right DiamondLanturnCodeName: 05308 14:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry ArcToraphim. 05308, you did not ask for the page to be nominated. Just because it fits the criteria doesn't you can go ahead and slap the FAC template on it, you have to ask first. I did reply on my talkpage, did you see it? I'm guessing you didn't. --ForceFire 14:30, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Shippings

Remember this is my point of view and no I'm not shipper, I like to create shippings.

Trainers

I see you added some, and said they're south of Resort entrance... but can you screenshot them, please? That'll make the job easier, as I have no idea where is the entrance. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 08:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC) PS. Also, these are the trainers I found in that street (so far only six that can be battled). Well, I found a Backpacker* when going towards Desert Resort (near that road with trucks), but I don't count him, as he isn't on the street. Also, is it just me, or that Breeder will rechallenge if you quit area, reenter it and go to the Breeder again?

I'm watching playthroughs, so I'm not in control of the action, and the only ones that seem to be up are Black 2. That said, whatever's in your screenshot, I've never seen before. Granted, I thought the policeman were only at night, but Danny and Nelson look like they're in daytime, so I could be wrong. This is what I mean. You enter route 4 from Nimbasa and hang an immediate left-screen turn. At the end of that road, travel south and you run into another officer and the remaining trainers. Bonus officer Brian in the last screenshot, between the road and two fishermen. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 11:26, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I've never seen them... and it seems that instead of Officer, I have Backpacker. They're most likely exclusive to Black 2. Now only the matter of items left... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Dark rustling grass.

Can you please say the name of place/route where you experienced (or saw someone experiencing) that? Dark rustling grass can be interesting. In some places just dark grass has different set of Pokémon, rustling grass always has some new Pokémon. That would be nice to see. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Haha, it was in Pinwheel Forest, by the Lass and Youngster west of the bridge. It was a double battle with an Audino and Pansage. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 16:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Were you tagging along with Cheren? I tagged along with Cheren when I first entered Pinwheel Forest and I encountered three rustling grass double battles (one with 2 Audino, another with a Audino and a Pansage, and the last one with a Audino and a Panpour). However they were in the plain grass, but they were double battles since I was with Cheren. Also last time I checked (which was yesterday for the Dark Grass) the only Dark Grass is east of the Bridge and not west. Lady Ariel (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh, that might have been it. Hard to tell with the videos I'm using. yeah, we were with Cheren so I guess I mis-saw what the grass was. Pity; rustling dark grass would have been nice. But I thought there was dark grass in the south west? Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 17:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Challenge mode

Serebii isn't a good source, but according to it, Challenge mode =/= post-game rematch, as you can turn off and on it whenever you want. Click*. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

That's not the problem. What we have as labeled on Iris' page is "normal mode" and "challenge mode", though this seems to be wrong because I just encountered a video labeled "challenge mode" that used the team of "normal mode" at elevated levels, so it doesn't seem post game at all. So the question is, IS in fact what we have labeled as normal and challenge really just "Initial battle" and "Rematch battle" (and if it is, do we even have the right levels for the second team)? Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 19:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Plasma Frigate

Hey I am gallade98, a new user on bulbapedia.Nice to meet you. I was just asking if you can help me finish all the Plasma Frigate information.I think i have most of it done, i just need to make sure i have all of the items and trainers correct. Thanks in advance. :D

Typhlosion

You said: "The use of English "typhoon" is correct., as "fuu" =/= "phoon"."
Going to need an explanation of your reasoning there. The English word "typhoon" has common roots with the Japanese word "taifuu" and they literally mean the same thing; the "phoon" is equivalent to the "fuu" (I tried to highlight this in the edit summary). Given that the kanji in "bakufuu" (which is on its own a visibly obvious source for the name) is exactly the same as that in "taifuu", such an origin would be redundant - you could just as well explain the name "bakufuun" as simply adding an "n" to the end of an existing word. If we look at the word "typhoon" on its own, all we would be getting is the "n" sound. That could just as well come from any other word with a similar sound (some candidates may be raccoon or dragoon, but there's no real limit here), or even be just an addition for the purpose of style, with no particular meaning behind it apart from making the name distinct from the real world. If "typhoon" is going to be included as part of the Japanese name origin, it should be properly explained and justified, or attributed to an official source. There is, on the balance of evidence, no reason whatsoever to think that the word "typhoon" is relevant to the name.Drivorobotnik (talk) 04:19, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

But since only the katakana says 'bakufuun', you're looking at the name all wrong and why that section even exists. Since the official spelling is Bakphoon, the name origin is used to explain WHY it's intended to be spelled that way and not as 'Bakufuun' (which no one has to justify since it's not romanized in such a way and is not the intended spelling; it's simply the katakana that makes it up). If the official romanization had been Bakufuun, it would have then been likely suggested to be a corruption of 'bakufuu' and a combination of 'bakufuu' and 'taifuu', since 'Typhlosion' has to get its random 'typh' from somewhere. A lot of name origins also rely on looking at all the other languages to see how they were gotten, since localizers use the root origins as inspirations for their own lingual names, so since the English name is a combination of 'typhoon' and 'explosion', and 'bakufuu' means 'blast', the typhoon in Typhlosion seems to come out of nowhere, except when you realize 'Bakphoon' has the same 'typhoon' word origin. And this isn't the first time a Japanese name has been spelled with a combination of Jp and Eng words. So no, there is no reason to explain the origin of the word 'typhoon' as possible 'taifuu' when 'taifuu' has nothing to do with the spelling 'phoon' and 'typhoon' possibly does. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 11:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

It seems as though you've either misread or misunderstood. I'm not saying that "taifuu" is the origin of the Japanese name - simply that there's no need to consider an origin other than "bakufuu" as it is. The consideration that the "fuu" in "bakufuu" and the "phoon" in "typhoon" is peripheral support for this perspective - a repeated etymology makes little sense. Indeed if you look at the edit I made, I did not (and did not suggest) replacing "typhoon" with "taifuu", but rather, determined "typhoon" to not be necessary (and so neither "taifuu"). I feel that the English name is of little relevance here - although if we are to raise the point, and accept as true the premise you have presented (that English names are constructed to be distinct from, but linguistically similar to, Japanese names), then my aside may be considered, since, after all, that kanji which provides the "fuu" sound is a solid link between "typhoon" (for "Typhlosion") and "bakufuu" - but that is tangential at best. Rest assured that I am not "all wrong" - indeed I myself considered the listed romanisation, and am ready to admit that it would present a fatal flaw to my reasoning. Be that as it may, I cannot, try as I might, find any sort of reliable source for the romanisation "Bakphoon". Were such a source presented, I would be perfectly satisfied with the information currently listed - although I may make the suggestion that a more concrete policy on referencing is adopted and enforced so as to avoid such confusions.Drivorobotnik (talk) 17:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Having trouble qualifying that source. The Wikipedia page on Typhlosion specifically lists the name as "Bakufūn", and although the page that cites the image you shared does list "Bakphoon", the reference is to a Bandai product (which, from the look of things, seems to be an obscure collectible, from the look of them they may be from gashapon toys; I am unable to find mention of this set of cards, even on Bulbapedia). This raises the question of whether, in light of the franchise's ownership, third-party (albeit presumably licensed) products are a proper source of definitive canon names. Without verification of this, the best we might say is that, on this set of cards released by Bandai, the romanisation given to Typhlosion by Bandai would appear to be based on the word "typhoon" - that, to me, does not sound like any sort of concrete statement, as it lacks authentic support from an authoritative source of canon. On a side note, that particular image seems to write Buizel's name as "Booysel", not "Buoysel" (which is what has been used) - this should raise doubts about the suitability of a low-resolution image as a source.Drivorobotnik (talk) 01:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

They are given the official romanizations. And yeah, it probably is an obscure piece of merchandise, but the fact that it and every other piece of merchandise with a romanization of the name on it use that romanization means that it is pretty obvious it is accurate. Merchandise is the primary use for official romanizations, so we should rely on it, especially when it is a major company like Bandai that makes a lot of it. Buizel's name is chopped off in the middle; it still says "Buoysel", the bottom of a "U" just looks the same as the bottom of an "O" in that font. And my point was not the content Wikipedia has, but their source; what is actually on Wikipedia is unreliable and irrelevant if unsourced (and even if sourced, it is the source that matters). --SnorlaxMonster 12:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I am somewhat confused; it seems as though none of Game Freak, Nintendo, or The Pokémon Company have used these romanisations in their products. Bandai is indeed a major company which releases a lot of merchandise, but they do not own the intellectual property behind the franchise. What that source seems to tell us (and what I acknowledged earlier) is that those particular Bandai products have been named like that - it does not, beyond allowing such a statement, seem authoritative. I would have strong reservations about regarding Bandai as any sort of official source for canon information. And, as you said, it is the source that matters. Could you perhaps explain the rationale here?Drivorobotnik (talk) 06:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm...

To answer, no I don't know the user (just had really good timing coming on to fix that article). Beyond that, I'm a little baffled? Could be any number of reasons it was done. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 16:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm that user. I'm SO sorry! I'm still a little new around here, so I accidentally clicked something and got confused in all these different tabs of Bulbapedia editing. (I keep different tabs open so I can see all the tags and how to write the language while editing.)I am so sorry about that, and I tried to fix it as soon as I could. I won't do it again, I promise! Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

ShootsDownShipping

Hi again. Sorry to keep bothering you.
Anyways, ShootsDownShipping is the ship between Kenny and Zoey, and it's actually grown quite popular as a side ship in Fan fiction. I know that Bulbapedia used to have a page, but then [2]deleted it because of a lack of evidence; so I was wondering if I could make a new one. I believe that I can flesh it out. Empress Empoleon 18:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

If you want to make a page of it, make it in your own userspace, flesh it out there, present it when you think it's done, and I'll see if it's worth ti to put in the shipspace. But if it doesn't have the evidence to support it, no amount of information on the page is likely going to make a difference. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 20:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I bothered you. You were just the only administrator I found currently active. I regret if I disturbed you in the middle of something important. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, no no no. XD; Not what I mean. I'm not a fan of editing templates; it gives me panic attacks. And I'm pretty sure editing that template made the whole site hiccup and toss a hissy, so, yes. Luna Tiger * the ArcToraph 21:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Should there...

Should there be a shipping page about Ash and Casey? --Doggy567123 (talk) 06:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)