Now I really don't want to be buying any more models as I have had most of these for 5 or 6 years (yes I am the slowest painter on the planet!). I am happy enough with my core choices as with the background I am working on the spearmen and archers are the Lord's personal levy from his own lands and the Sea Guard and bolt throwers are from the ship that his expeditionary force are on. My main thoughts are whether to keep the chariot, swap it for 5 Reavers (I don't really rate them as I think they are too expensive for what they are, especially in such a small unit but these are here to really just eat points up) or drop both and take the Banner of Sorcery and another magic item (don't know what yet but can't give anything to my Lords as they are right on the 750 pt limit as it is). Alternatively I could get a Great Eagle and have some points left over (but that is going down the buying new models route).

Alternatively I could drop the chariot/Reavers and the level 2 mage and go for a unit of 15 Phoenix Guard as I have that many of the old metal ones tucked away in the loft.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.

"The guns have stopped because we are at last about to attack. Even our generals aren't mad enough to shell their own men, they think its far more sporting to let the Germans do it!"

I like the army, its different from the normal Teclis point and click affair. It has a bit of everything and looks very balenced.

One thing, your only allowed 1 arcane item per mage, yours have 3 each! This now includes dispel scrolls and power stones. You also need to note what magic lore your mages will use.

With your points save on taking some items off, I would take the dawnstone for your prince allowing him to re-roll armour saves.

As for chariots vs reavers, I think you already made your mind up to go for the chariot. Just dont sent it in unsupported and don't expect it to survive a game. Having said that it is very fast and could make a good warmachine hunter.

Didn't know that about the acrane items, will have to do a bit of tinkering when I get home and have access to my army book. Maybe I can save enough points to get the Banner of Sorcery now that I have read the faqs and discovered that it can take you over the 12 dice limit.

Was going to give the archmage High Magic and tailor the level 2 to whatever army I am facing to give me the best advantage.

The BSB will go with the Sword Masters so will probably drop one so I can keep it nice and symetrical (bit OCD like that) and the mounted noble will be with the Dragon Princes. Was going to leave the mages on their own but don't know if that is a good idea. Obviously the Prince is on his own and will probably use him at the start of a batlle to go war machine/mage hunting then towards the end (if he is still alive) to charge into flanks/rears to swing a melee in my favour.

I always try and go for balanced armies, I don't believe in manipulating lists just to give you a chance of winning, I would rather go for a fluffy army and try and win through ability and tactics rather than just because I know how to pick the best army.

Still haven't decided about the chariot as it is slower than the Reavers (am I right in thinking that chariots still can't march?) but is tougher and has more or less the same amount of wounds. I know that under 8th ed chariots (and to an extent cavalry) aren't the shock troops they where so this may take a bit of playtesting.

"The guns have stopped because we are at last about to attack. Even our generals aren't mad enough to shell their own men, they think its far more sporting to let the Germans do it!"

In the new rules you have to put on your army list what magic lore you will use, I would suggest shadow magic for the Lv 4 as I believe it is most benifical for elves and take high magic with the seer staff for the Lv 2 so you can pick what you want.

I would put the BSB with the spearmen or sea guard. While 14 (or 13) swordmasters can dish out a lot of pain, they cant take it back. I don't think the BSB would last very long in them.

I would also be tempted to put the mounted noble with the sliver helms to give them more punch and put the dragon princes on a flank and get them around the back of the enemy and maybe hunt war machines.

Yep your right chariots cant march. Chariots and fast cav do have very different roles. Chariots are great againest skimishers, small units and for dual charging with units. Fast cav are great at re-directing, war machine hunting and getting in the way. The trouble with reavers as you said is they are to expensive to use as suicide troops and they dont give much in the way of fire support if you do give them bows.

Have you considered the crown of command for your prince? Charge him in the flank of a unit and tie them up.

The problem with the list is I wrote it still with 7th ed in mind so I realise some things might not work as well as I envisage.

That was my thinking with the Dragon Princes, more for flank charges which is why I gave them the banner of Ellyrion but is also why I wanted the noble with them so they have a lot more punch and hopefully, if I time it right, a double charge with one of the infantry units or the Silver Helms to turn a flank and hopefully start rolling the enemy up.

I agree with you about the BSB, I was thinking of putting him with the Sea Guard originally but thought instead to put them with the Sword Masters to make them really evil. I'll try both and see which works best.

Again didn't know about having to declare which magic you are using in the list, I've only read the book once and had one game of 8th ed so far and that was with my Dwarves (which are getting changed so that every unit now has great weapons. Hey, we're going last anyway so might as well make sure it HURTS!) so magic wasn't exactly a priority! I'll have a good read when I get home and make the decision then but I really want one of them to use High Magic just so I can have Drain Magic. Think the idea of giving whichever mage is using High Magic the seer staff is a good plan.

I think the main core of the army is fine, its just the tweaking I'll have to play around with. Like I said I'm not trying to create an uberlist but a balanced one in character to prove that it can be done and be competetive.

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