Any one who OT'd into a spec trade after 2004 should probably speak to their orderly room. IAW the CBI, all time served plus the time spent in the jnr. Sub OCC was supposed to be counter to calculation of IPC I the specialist pay category. They have been only using the time in the jnr sub OCC to calculate it. A number of grievances have resulted in D Mil Pay going back to correct the error. We received an email about it on Monday. There are like 1400 pers across the forces affected, so if you may be one of them make sure you are on the list.

FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWATO AIG 1760AIG 1742BTUNCLAS AIG 006/17SIC WHASUBJ: AMENDMENT - CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOTREF: CBI 203.03(5) PAY ON OCCUPATIONAL TRANSFER1. AS A RESULT OF THE CBI VERSION DATED 1 APR 2004, NUMEROUS GRIEVANCES HAVE BEEN GRANTED AS A RESULT OF A DISCREPANCY IN THE DETERMINATION OF A MEMBER S PAY INCREMENT (PI) UPON BECOMING OCCUPATIONALLY QUALIFIED IN A SPECIALIST TRADE GROUP. IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO RECTIFY THE PI LEVEL ASSESSMENT. A NEW CBI HAS BEEN APPROVED BUT UNTIL IT IS RELEASED MEMBERS THAT HAVE VOT SINCE 1 APR 2004, SHALL HAVE ALL THEIR TIME IN RANK AND IC COUNT TOWARDS THEIR SPECIALIST TRADE. THIS APPLIES TO BOTH SPECIALIST 1 AND SPECIALIST 2 TRADES.2. AN ANALYSIS OF 1852 PAY RECORDS ARE AFFECTED BY THIS ISSUE.

PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1014 UNCLASGIVEN THE NUMEROUS AMOUNT OF FILES, MIL PAY OPS WILL PROCEED WITH CORRECTIVE ACTION TO ADJUST THE PAY INCREMENT OF ALL SERVING, RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS.3. MPAO S OF REG F AND RES F UNITS CAN CONTACT MIL PAY IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A LIST OF AFFECTED MEMBERS FOR THEIR UNIT.4. FOR MORE INFORMATION, AFFECTED MEMBERS SHOULD CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PAY OFFICE AND QUERIES MAY BE DIRECTED TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK VIA ASSYST.END OF ENGLISH TEXT / DEBUT DU TEXTE FRANCAIS

R 141513Z AUG 17FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWATO AIG 1760AIG 1742BTUNCLAS AIG 008/17SUBJ: REVISED CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOTREF: AIG 006/17 2418216Z JUL 171. THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF COMPLETION FOR FILES IS 31 MAR 2018. THIS DATE COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIES AND WORK LOAD OF MIL PAY STAFF. PAY NOTES WILL BE ADDED BY MIL PAY TO INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS WHEN ADJUSTMENTS, IF NECESSARY, ARE COMPLETED. UNITS SHOULD NOT SEND IN ASSYST TICKETS WITH INQUIRIES ON EXPECTED COMPLETION DATES OF ACCOUNTS. WHEN ALL WORK IS COMPLETED MIL PAY WILL SEND OUT AN ADVISORY.2. IF UNITS HAVE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A LISTING OF THEIR AFFECTED MEMBERS AND A MEMBER IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE LISTING, SUBMIT A TICKET TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK TO HAVE THE MEMBER ADDED TO THE LIST FOR REVIEW AS PART OF THE PROJECT. UNITS WILL NEED TO ACTION SPEC

PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1002 UNCLASPAY TIME CREDIT CALCULATION IAW AIG 006 17 FOR ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE QUALIFYING TIME AFTER 24 JUL 2017 AS THESE MEMBERS WILL NOT BE ACTIONED BY MIL PAY.3. RPPO WILL BE THE POC AND WILL BE CORRECTING ACCOUNTS FOR ALL RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS. CONTACT INFORMATION FOR RPPO CAN BE FOUND ON THE DMPAP WEBPAGE: http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PAY/INDEX.PAGEEND OF ENGLISH TEXT /

As is the case in most militaries, the CAF uses a rank-based team concept or institutional approach to determine pay. In this methodology, the average value of the work performed by all members of a specific rank level is considered in developing pay. This is quite different from the more common Public Service method in which an individual is paid the evaluated worth for the specific position they are filling. In exceptional cases, market factors force the CAF to consider a handful of military occupations, such as doctors, dentists, lawyers and some high-tech trades, separate from the majority of CAF members. However, within these special occupations, the team concept is applied.

Pay Groups

Non-Commissioned Members

Non-commissioned members are paid rates of pay determined through TC analysis. Within each rank there are a number of Pay Increments (PI) which represent automatic annual increases given in recognition of advancements in experience, skill and knowledge. As well, there are three sub-groups of pay into which non-commissioned member trade groups are slotted. These sub-groups are Standard, Specialist 1 and Specialist 2 and pay rates vary in each sub-group. The Specialist 1 and Specialist 2 sub-groups, which include trades such as Fire Control Systems Technicians, Flight Engineers, Biomedical Electronics Technicians, and Marine Engineering Artificers, comprise jobs which are highly complex in nature and whose skills are in high demand in the private sector.

R 141513Z AUG 17FM NDHQ DMPAP OTTAWATO AIG 1760AIG 1742BTUNCLAS AIG 008/17SUBJ: REVISED CALCULATE SPECIALIST PAY ON VOTREF: AIG 006/17 2418216Z JUL 171. THE ANTICIPATED DATE OF COMPLETION FOR FILES IS 31 MAR 2018. THIS DATE COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON THE PRIORITIES AND WORK LOAD OF MIL PAY STAFF. PAY NOTES WILL BE ADDED BY MIL PAY TO INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS WHEN ADJUSTMENTS, IF NECESSARY, ARE COMPLETED. UNITS SHOULD NOT SEND IN ASSYST TICKETS WITH INQUIRIES ON EXPECTED COMPLETION DATES OF ACCOUNTS. WHEN ALL WORK IS COMPLETED MIL PAY WILL SEND OUT AN ADVISORY.2. IF UNITS HAVE REQUESTED AND RECEIVED A LISTING OF THEIR AFFECTED MEMBERS AND A MEMBER IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE LISTING, SUBMIT A TICKET TO THE MIL PAY HELPDESK TO HAVE THE MEMBER ADDED TO THE LIST FOR REVIEW AS PART OF THE PROJECT. UNITS WILL NEED TO ACTION SPEC

PAGE 2 RCCPJAQ1002 UNCLASPAY TIME CREDIT CALCULATION IAW AIG 006 17 FOR ANY MEMBERS WHO HAVE QUALIFYING TIME AFTER 24 JUL 2017 AS THESE MEMBERS WILL NOT BE ACTIONED BY MIL PAY.3. RPPO WILL BE THE POC AND WILL BE CORRECTING ACCOUNTS FOR ALL RELEASED AND DECEASED MEMBERS. CONTACT INFORMATION FOR RPPO CAN BE FOUND ON THE DMPAP WEBPAGE: http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PAY/INDEX.PAGEEND OF ENGLISH TEXT /

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if someone completes the trade course that grants them Spec pay, would the move from (for example) Corporal 3 pay incentive to Corporal 3 (Specialist pay) ? or would it reset?

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but if someone completes the trade course that grants them Spec pay, would the move from (for example) Corporal 3 pay incentive to Corporal 3 (Specialist pay) ? or would it reset?

cheers

The way it works is that upon qualifying for Spec pay (QL5 Cpl for most trades), you are entitled to spec pay at the rate of any pervious time spent at the rank of Cpl or a above + any time spent in the new trade prior to qualifying for spec pay. For Example:

Cpl Bloggins is a Cpl IPC 2 infantryman. Cpl Bloggins transfers to AVN tech 1 Jan 15. He received his QL 5 AVN tech 13 Jan 17. He has 3 years as a CPL in the infantry. He has 2 years as a AVN-jnr (ie apprentice). 3 +2 equals 5 years at as a Cpl. He will now be paid as a Cpl IPC 4 Spec 1.

The way it works is that upon qualifying for Spec pay (QL5 Cpl for most trades), you are entitled to spec pay at the rate of any pervious time spent at the rank of Cpl or a above + any time spent in the new trade prior to qualifying for spec pay. For Example:

Cpl Bloggins is a Cpl IPC 2 infantryman. Cpl Bloggins transfers to AVN tech 1 Jan 15. He received his QL 5 AVN tech 13 Jan 17. He has 3 years as a CPL in the infantry. He has 2 years as a AVN-jnr (ie apprentice). 3 +2 equals 5 years at as a Cpl. He will now be paid as a Cpl IPC 4 Spec 1.

The way it was explained to me is your spec pay is calculated based on time in MOSID. This was frustrating for me because I am Cpl 4(previous time in another trade) about to get spec pay upon completion of QL5, and I would have been bumped to Cpl 2 spec 1.

I am delighted to see this is not the case, and I will bump over to Cpl 4 Spec 1.