2nd Annual POV Golf Outing!!

We are starting to finalize the details for the 2nd annual POV Golf Outing. Here are the particulars as they stand right now so placehilders into calanders please and let’s have another great day… and it really was one of the most fun times I’ve had in years…

Location: Champion Lakes Golf Course in Western PA near Latrobe. (15 hotels located within 17 miles of the course)

Date: Saturday, June 9th

Time: 1st tee time is 11am

Cost: $89 (includes golf, cart and a sit down dinner after the round is completed).

The POV Golf Committee (really just Erie Express) asks that you get him your fees by May 19th – I’ll do an article on this with more details later this week. It was a blast last year and should be better this year also.

I am trying to arrange a tour of the Southside football facilities if possible – and will keep you all informed on that also.

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Michaelangelo Monteleone (aka MA, MM, Mike...)
Michaelangelo holds a degree in Travel Writing from the University of Pittsburgh. He was a former staff writer for InPittsburgh Newsweekly, and currently resides near Atlanta, Georgia. He has been a Pitt fan since 1997 after he witnessed Pitt upset then #22 Miami on Thursday night.

stats for pre-season scrimmages are to be taken with a grain of salt. You have no idea who may not have see n much playing time due to a nagging injury or, you know what this guy can do so let’s give his backup more snaps (which I suspect for Idowu.). You also don’t know who played vs 1st team and who played more versus backups … as well as who played with the 1st unit and who played more with the backups, etc

I do suspect there was a lot blitzing and the OL had its issues in picking them up

Reed, sorry to mention baseball here, but the pirates won again. One thing I never understood about them is why they don’t have a giant pirate ship in the river outside the stadium during their games. It’s the perfect stadium for it and the kids who go there would love to see a giant pirate ship with its giant flags waving in the wind.

I’d love to see Pitt have some panthers in a Colosseum like place outside Heinz…a pit to throw our enemies into before and after the game. That would be some good entertainment. To watch a Hoopie fight a panther with a corncob or a Pedo fight one with a marshmallow. 🙂

there was actually a lot of talk of a Pirate ship being erected right beyond the rightfield grandstand, but there was some public opposition …. including, and get this, the curator of the Andy Warhol museum thought it would look really tacky! One of the most hypocritical opinions ever IMO (I assume a large billboard of Campbell soup cans or the cover of ‘Sticky Fingers’ would have been acceptable)

Yeah u can look at it two ways. I probably join the half empty side here. The offense just has question marks everywhere except for qb. Running back should be decent but without holes and a downfield threat they could struggle as well.

So apparently I was wrong and the scrimmage did have a lot of first team offense vs first team defense, according to Narduzzi

So that is good that the first team defensive line + LBs are aggressive and apparently getting off the snap well and using proper technique

And bad that the first team OL is apparently not getting off the snap well and not using proper technique… or is just not talented enough physically for proper technique to have mattered much. And bad that the RBs aren’t doing well breaking tackles or making defenders who have busted into the backfield miss

One silver lining is that Kenny the gambler the midnight wind Pickett apparently still has good pocket sense and the legs to make that sense useful. Silver lining in the sense that maybe he’ll be able to escape a Tino or Savage level pounding and might be able to take the edge off the aggressiveness of opposing defenses by scrambling for nice gains on broken plays. Not a very big silver lining but still better than none I guess?

Or hell maybe the defense really will be that damn good and Pitt will win a bunch of 14-10 games?

I don’t buy the argument that Millin isn’t good because the Kent State OL overall was terrible, from the 2017 Kent State games I’ve watched (vs. Clemson, vs. Louisville, vs. Marshall, vs. Akron) he was by far the best guy on their line last year and was not getting abused over and over again. I think he’ll be serviceable at worst. My main worry is at LG and RG… there just does not seem to be anyone for those two positions that shouldn’t be worried about, unless they switch to Bookser back but then RT becomes a position to worry about even more… and Bookser, at least 2017 Bookser, also is/was not a player not to worry about. If 2016 Bookser could make a reappearance in 2018 I’d feel a hell of a lot better

Ollison wasn’t playing? Sacks are actually getting the QB down. Slippery athletic QB’s have escaped Pitt would-be sackers in the past. Can this be the year that Pitt defenders actually put the QB down at first crack, especially the PSU and Syracuse athletic QB’s?

Just to add to Reed’s one comment on the podcast. Reed and I are very good friends and go back away and I can say we both take liberties at times when countering each others views. Trust me, all in good faith as we have a same mind of thought as what is more important in life. Watching a PITT game and having no one to talk to about it would leave me feeling very empty inside. We are all on message boards and blogs like the POV for a simple reason. We all love PITT football. For anyone to think I do not have the utmost respect for the man needs corrected as I know how much he pours himself for the good of all men and women. He’s a way better man than me. ike

The “antis” at 93.7 The Fan are at it again … but at least it’s not anti-Pitt this time. It was golf.

Yesterday, Filliponi focused only on Tiger, without pointing out the obvious … that it was the media that built him up so much. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a bi story and he draws the ratings … but it didn’t matter to me one way or another, I just want to see a competitive tourney.

Which leads into this morning where the morning show is saying that there was no drama yesterday and they were board; There were many good story lines especially with Spieth’s charge, Rory’s fold and Fowler putting on the pressure. But the fact is that the very last putt yesterday mattered … what more can you ask for?

It was a great Masters from start to finish. The best man won under. Huge pressure. Stopped listening to the fan years ago. Great that Tiger is playing but golf is a young man’s game and the current crop is by far the best and deepest. Guys have had streaks but no one holds the top spot for long. We will never see a player as dominant as Tiger for a while if ever. He may win again, but not likely because of the competition.

Reed thanks for another great podcast. I had to chuckle a bit as at the beginning of the podcast you apologize because you have to keep it short today, then go into a great riff on Pitt FB for 46 minutes. You really have a knack for this!

Something to note on the scrimmage Saturday was that with all the talk of Paris Ford’s interceptions and the defensive backs playing so well there wasn’t one interception in the scrimmage which is 11 on 11 players for 60 minutes or so.

–Yeah, but both Pickett and Town completed their passes at a percentage in the high 70s…

–Be great of McKee comes on at LB – wonder if he was playing for Idowu? Can’t have too much speed…

–And on the subject of “star” players – I think Dane Jackson and Idowu will play like stars this season. And Paris has a chance. And I’ll throw in Wirginis – provided Wirginis gets thru June and July okay. 🙂

–Disappointed to see that our buffalo-sized TEs only had one catch each. We need Reeves to be a receiving threat…

Pitt is lowering the price of tickets and membership fees for Men’s Bball. The press release says it is because of the tax law changes but I can’t help but believe it is a convenient excuse. Bottom line is that this is a good thing and a way to lure back those that departed given the recent debacle.

Tiger dominated golf for 15 years. But then again, who did he have to beat. Take away Phill and either ageing guys like Faldo, Strange, Price ect. Today’s players are so much deeper and competitive that not sure Tiger in his prime wins close to what he did.

I agree that today’s players are deeper and better, but that’s not Tiger’s fault. He was still very dominant … even being the titleholder of all 4 majors at one time (2000-01) Nobody has ever done that.

I do believe that there is way too much focus on Tiger now …. Reed, Johnson, Thomas, Day, Fowler, Spieth, McIlroy, (and a handful more) are very capable of of great things on the golf course. Els, Mikkelsen, Furick, Goosen, Singh,Harrington and Cink were some of the very talented group when Tiger was in his prime, but overall the current group was better ….. maybe in part because of the hig standard Tiger set

An 11 year sample for Woods and a 24 year sample for Nicklaus. Not necessarily comparing dimples to dimples. If you would say that Woods has won 14 of 71 for a 19.7% win rate from first championship to last major tournament, that would be more realistic. Both are excellent percentages although the 19.7% rate seems more like a tino sunseri statistic when it is 3rd and two and he runs for one and goes out of bounds instead of putting his head down and picking up the yard.

The article on Charlie Partridge above sheds some excellent light on why Heather is doing so well. Why? Because she herself was, in fact, a coach (volleyball)!
Hence, she understands how a coach thinks and how the players think, which is a HUGE advantage over a guy like slimmy Steve P. – who was always only an Administrator.

Ike, Wlat, I’very lived in Westmoreland County for over 30 years and I’believe never been to Goo’s or Hotel Loyal. Our favorite dining spot in Mt. Pleasant is the Filling Station . I’ll have to check them out.

Hopefully Ellison and Luther announce soon that they’re staying. I assume Peace is staying, so if Ellisoin and Luther stay we’d have the following in the rotation: Davis, JW-F, Stevenson, Ellison, Luther, Brown, Peace. Seems like Carr is a goner, so Capel is going to have to find a couple of guards in the spring period.

I agree …. a lot of people here are down on him because of his decision making … but he was a natural freshman playing with a lot other natural freshmen. I look at his athleticism and shooting stroke, and see more potential than anyone else on the team.

Well, my take is very different for our B.B. roster.
Stallings went out a year ago and found whoever he could to fill out a roster and come play for Pitt. We all concluded he was not a good coach and needed to go ASAP.
I honestly believe and trust that Capel could do the same thing much better than Stalkings. After all, we seem to be forgetting that we were the JOKE of the ACC and ALL of Power 5 basketball. So to me, if all of last years team leaves ( which I’m not saying I hope they all do) I personally believe we would still be better. It has nothing to do with how hard our kids played (which they certainly did). It simply comes down to overall talent IMHO and I say:
Capel > Stallings.

Stallings had a whole year …most of the good players are already signed. You can’t expect much for this upcoming class. Right now, I believe there are only 4 scholarship players that are committed next year.

There were glimpses of talent — and they didn’t have the advantage of playing with veteran players as most others do, or playing with 4/5 stars as Kentucky and Duke have.

I would be happy to get 7 returnees from last year plus whatever Capel is able to bring in. While this coming year will promises to be another downer, I do think we will get improvement as the year progress, with a handful of ACC wins.

Marcus Carr was better at driving to the hoop than Knight, Krauser, Fields, Wanamaker, Woodall and Artis? I’d say that Carr is better than Robinson at finishing once around the hoop but no better at driving there.

By my reckoning Carr had the following cumulative line in 19 ACC games last season:

As a freshman, he was better than most of those guys getting to the hoop, playing with a worse cast of characters and no coaching. He shouldn’t have been required/ allowed to shoot so much. Most of those guys played sparingly as freshmen.

Brian Batko@BrianBatko
Bit of a new look for Pitt’s O-line in practice this morning with Alex Bookser at left tackle, Connor Dintino at left guard, Mike Herndon at RG and Bryce Hargrove at RT. That’s about as experienced as they can be at this point in the year.

again, everything this time a year must be taken with a grain of salt. But it also enhances the feeling of how unsettled the OL is

Still being patient and hopeful that Capel signs some servicesble players for next year, but the team as currently constituted may have to forfeit games or pull the best they can find on intra-mural teams. With an injury or 2.

Seems Carr’s turnovers aren’t that bad for a freshman. Look at some other Pitt PGs. Most I had to choose SO year because their FR minutes were limited. Knights were not listed. I couldn’t find breakdown for conference play for the older players. I used Artis senior year.

Turnovers entire season:

Carr 88 in 32 games, 2.8 per game, 2.4 in conference games
Brandon Knight 95 in 31 games (SO), 3.1 per
Krauser 96 in 32 games (SO), 3.0 per game
Fields 70 in 37 games (SO), 1.9 per game
Artis 83 in 32 games (SR), 2.6 per game, 2.7 in conference games

Barvo…Carr appeared to play better down the stretch. I don’t recall a Pitt PG since 2000 or farther that was as good as he is getting to the basket. Towards the end of the season he was also making more shots when he got there…I hope he stays because he showed some flashes of special play this year.

Does anyone have a feel for how good Ellison is? Some reports said he was the best player on the team as far as practice goes. After siting out a year he can play somewhere immediately. Would he be a good keeper for Capel?

I prefer Carr stays but if he goes, Capel will find a replacement at guard. I do think Capel will need time to develop the program and some thinking there is a quick fix may be in for a longer wait here. But keeping a good nucleus returning and adding what he can at least can bring fans back into the building which is the goal here.

Regarding Carr, like most here, I hope he stays but think he’ll leave. Barvo’s stats are worthy of consideration, but good job by NRS by providing context with stats from other rookie PG’s (though in fairness Artis wasn’t a pg, he just had to play the position due to the roster). Really though, the most astute point regarding Carr goes to Ike, who pointed out that not only did Carr start as a freshman, but he was surrounded by freshmen on the floor at the same time; and don’t forget, Pitt was running an offense that basically involved throwing the ball around the perimeter until the first open guy had room to chuck up a 3. Frankly, all things considered, Carr accounted for himself quite well, though I agree with Barvo that his on ball defense was poor. Assuming he leaves, getting a reliable PG onto this roster will be critical to next year’s team. I’d put my money on Capel to find another PG, but who knows…

What happened to Dontavius Butler-Jenkins at WR? As a true FR last year, there was talk he was going to make an impact and then he got hurt and was out the year. No talk of him that I’ve heard this year. It appears he’s still on the roster.

The offense won but it looked like the defense created some havoc in the backfield.

Narduzzi: Yeah, they did. Again, I have the whistle, so I’m blowing whistles – the defense will complain if I don’t. If I don’t blow the whistle quicker, then the defense gets mad, saying that they’re getting a little closer to the quarterback and I don’t want them getting too close to either one of the quarterbacks at this point. There will be some scrambles, for sure. And today you go out and there aren’t any sacks at all; the quarterbacks were pretty clean. I’m not worried about that at all. Our pass protection right now looks like it’s better than last year’s, even with the guys we have.

Well if we can pass protect Pickett will execute either from in or out of the pocket IMHO. Again I say we will challenge the 2016 offensive point scoring numbers if Pickett stays upright the entire season.

Brian Batko@BrianBatko
Pitt tackle Alex Bookser on Dewayne Hendrix and Rashad Weaver: “Dewayne and Weav have been awesome … It’s gonna be hard throughout the season to find a pair of D-ends who are as good, and I would be extremely surprised if they were better than the two guys we have on the end.”

I don’t recall the 2016 game let alone situation but there was a linebacker blitz by Wirginis in which he dove with abandon at the punter or QB and made a tremendously athletic play. It was stunning. I’m sure there’s any number of you POVers who remember it. I could not believe the display of athleticism. If that’s the player then we got one athletic hard hitting middle linebacker. And if he has brains, man o man.

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gc, I just think he has the given talent. It’s more of a projection than anything else. Of course when a football player throws his body around like he does, it lends itself to injuries. That with his common sense in question that we all hope has been straightened out, you have a potentially very good MLB. ike

Was always impressed by Wirginis running down on kickoffs and coming in on third downs. The guy makes plays. Galambos knew the oppositions formations better – and Galambos, to the surprise of many, did get a pretty good look by them Stillers…

Wirginis hasn’t shown much because 2017 was supposed to be his year but then he got suspended and hurt. If he had played I think he would have made us feel very good about MLB this year. With limited playing time because Galambos, Wirginis still made several huge sacks in 2016. He had the look of a playmaker and still does, he should be challenging Idowu for #1 in tackles etc. this fall.

Most improved Weaver on D and Pickett on the O.—Another walk on from Bucknell and Franklin Regional at DB. Second team Patriot League last season. With Pitt’s current talent at DB today I’m assuming special teams might well the place he can contribute if called on.—And Narduzzi is calling the OL much better at pass blocking today than last year. Hope he does so after we are play the PSU game this year.

PSN calling for the possibility of Cabel of bringing on his brother Jason as a Pitt assistant BB coach. I’m hoping that the reason behind that is not a fall back to none of the others mentioned not being interested in the job.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Kevin Sutton is retained as asst coach. He has ties to the Capel family, attended Caprel’s presser, knows the current players, and has much experience within the ACC footprint. And the only other possibilities that I heard was Knight and now Capel’s brother.

In his last interview he said he was close to hiring. He said he wanted to spend some time at Pitt before offering, which makes sense. Candidates are going to have question he has to be able to answer. This isn’t his first rodeo.

The OLine got numerous praises from the coaches yesterday. HCPN said the OLine is better today then the OLine during last season – and the much maligned grad transfer LT Stefano Millin is not even on campus yet.

Dintino and Herndon getting a few kudos yesterday as well.

Also heard Shockey of The Ffrench Connection won’t be practicing until the end of the summer – injury, grades, other?

I kinda hemmed all night about even asking about this here…but hey maybe since it is at the end of a few days old post no one will chop my head off if I say something untoward!

Paterno on HBO. Watched it last night. Almost surprised POVerts or Blatherers have not brought it up (though I totally may have missed it I don’t get to every posting). I cannot say I am a high-knowledge guy in the details of the case. But I thought it was very well done. As a lifelong Pitt fan and alum, I appreciated that they showed PSU fans not really grasping, and blindly just supporting Paterno, I appreciated the last scene very much as well…great ending. I think it was relatively honest. But I don’t know…some may think it did not do enough, but I think it was pretty well done, showing pretty openly the coverups, missed opportunities, and blind focus on football above everything else.

I watched it and thought it was good, but it really didn’t show anything that I already didn’t know. But, I can see where someone like you who is not very familiar with all of the details would really like it, and find it very enlightening.

I thought the most provocative scene was when Joe went out in his front yard and start telling the crowd to pray for all of the victims but the crowd just continued to chant his name. I don’t know if that is the way it actually went down but I do know that while following the story when it was happening, my impression of the Centre County inbreds was. that they could have cared less about the many victims … all they cared about was PSU football. And that impression was shared by much of the national media.

While I have expressed concern for the On-line for some time, I find it encouraging that Narduzzi is talking them up. Like Wirginis, Dintino and Herndon are fifth year seniors who have underperformed, but we’re highly touted. They are big strong guys and maybe it is their time. I think they both started as defenders. They both at least should be decent road graders.
The major concern is the tackles and pass protection. Not as concerned about Morrissey, with a year’s experience and weight training, he should be better.

They have the summer to work as a unit. Hopefully the combination of Million, Brown, and Bookser can get the job done at tackle.

We need a couple of the young guys to provide depth and be ready fo next year.

Looking back at the media reports during coaching search, you can’t trust a thing the write. It was all speculation and complete BS. The only thing that was true was Pitt offering Hurley. The other hundred articles stating sources were false.

I watched it also and thought that as a movie it was well done. No new info was revealed except maybe that one line at the very end when the caller to the journalist said that he told Paterno back in ’74 he was abused by JS.

Am in PGH now and will be at the team meeting room for the draft and to talk with some people, will write something to night or tomorrow morning.

I watched the Paterno movie. It was well done. Much of it was made up family interaction. Still kills me that McQuery didn’t beat the crap out of Sandusky when he saw him with a kid. Bizarre. Most of us would have kicked his ass and dragged him into the parking lot naked and called the cops.

“Today was an okay day at practice. I think winding down, practice number 13, we tried to get them cranked up. I feel that some guys went through the motions. That was probably our last hard work day. Thursday we will come out in shorts and then the spring game on Saturday, but solid, solid scrimmage on Saturday. I was really happy with both sides of the ball. It wasn’t fantastic on either sides of the ball; offense obviously won the scrimmage. I think we had five penalties the whole game with ACC officials here, so penalties were down and it was solid. We didn’t walk away saying ‘we are weak here, we are strong here,’ so we will find out Saturday.”

On the offense winning the two-minute drill in Saturday’s scrimmage:

“We did another what we call four-minute-and-two-minute drill. The two offense tried to run the clock out, didn’t run it all out, so then the one offense had to go out in a two-minute situation. You didn’t know how much time was going to be left as coaches, so it was a great drill and they marched it down the field and scored a touchdown. It was impressive and probably the first time that our offense really moved the ball on our defense in a two-minute drill, which is not easy, so that is great progress there.”

On the offense really coming together:

“You have to get into a rhythm and just put everything together and that takes time. I thought the defense was a little bit ahead of them with the pressure they bring on third downs. They do some good stuff that is a little bit different, so they have a lot to pick up.”

On the defense wreaking havoc in the scrimmage:

“Yeah they did, and I have the whistle; I’m calling it and blowing the whistle. The defense will complain if I don’t. If I don’t blow the whistle quicker, then the defense gets mad and say that they can get closer to the quarterback, and I don’t want them to get too close to either one of our quarterbacks at this point. There will be some scrambles for sure. Today, there were not many sacks at all and the quarterbacks were clean. Our pass protection now looks like it is better than last year, even with the guys we had. We’ve been impressed with protection. They’re doing a nice job.”

On the stability of the offense:

“Offensively, I think we averaged four yards per carry, which is how you lose a game defensively. They didn’t turn the ball over at all. There was zero turnovers—no fumbles, no interceptions. Anytime you do that, you’re going to win the scrimmage on offense if you don’t turn it over. It’s hard to score on defense when you don’t get turnovers.”

On Alex Bookser finding out on who’s on his team for his draft strategy:

“Yeah he’s ready to go. He asked me a few days ago, and I’m like, ‘hey, how about focusing on today’s practice?’ But he’s ready to go. It’s his turn. The seniors get to draft. We’ll draft the seniors out this afternoon, draft out the staff, name some head coaches within the staff. Then we got two honorary head coaches also that are coming back to town. Walt Harris will be here; he’ll be a head coach for one of the teams. And Johnny Majors is coming back. So he’ll be back for the spring game. He’s excited; he wants to know when he gets his meetings with the offense. He wants to put some plays in. He’s got one play that we’ll tweet out. He’s ready to go. We’re excited to have those two legends back here at Pitt for the spring game.”

On the best spot for Alex Bookser:

“Tackle. I don’t know if it’s going to be left tackle, right tackle. But we definitely need him as an offensive tackle. He’s doing a great job. Coach Borbely’s doing a great job coaching. I think he’s liking what’s going on right now.”

On Connor Dintino’s progress:

“Yeah, Dintino has been really solid in there. We got him playing center and we have him playing guard right now. He’s doing a great job and is very consistent in what we’re getting every day out of him.”

On Connor Dintino and Mike Herndon solidifying the offensive line:

“Both those guys are developing well and Jimmy Morrissey. So for the tackle spots, we need to find that second tackle besides Bookser and that third tackle. A lot of the young guys are competing for that, whether it’s Carter Warren or Gabe Houy; Tony Pilato is working at it. Then we’ve got Stefano [Millin] coming in, and we’re looking for big things out of him as well.”

Watched the beginning of the paterno movie. Turned it off twice, I couldn’t get Pacino’s voice out of my head. Plus I know the ending, Joe Knew!

If Wirginis would have played last year he would be done right now.

Capel’s brother would be a great asst coach for his recruiting ties alone.

Doesn’t look like Knight is coming home. It’s not good for anyone to hold grudges.

I don’t understand why some are so upset that Morrissey started last year? Walk-on schmalk-on the kid has played football his entire life like all the other players and proved a good pick-up by the coaches.

Too much is made of JC and walk-on players. Speaking of which, PITT has another JC O-Lineman visiting soon, Anthony Whigan. Now I know that name but from where?

Still hoping to make it to the spring game but it’s looking more iffy right now. Let me be the first to complain about noon starts this year. Just kidding about the spring game but I do dislike them over-all.

Question to ponder. Why is it when a coach praises a player or unit it’s called coach speak yet when he dams a part of the team with a critical analyses, it’s called honesty?

Grad transfers are a huge part of college football right now. Not saying I agree with the idea, but if you offer a football coach a 22 year old kid that has played and developed in a college program for four years, they are not going to pass him by.
There is a fine line to walk with how many you take. It has to be in spots that lack veteran depth. You can say those positions lack depth because of bad recruiting which may be true. I don’t think middle of the pack teams like WVU, Pitt, etc. can ever recruit well enough where there is great depth at every spot.

Back to the O-Line …. again, I share Reed’s skepticism since the only proven commodity is Bookser and Morrisey, to a lesser extent. That is not to say that it can’t develop into a better unit than last year as PN has indicated, but I have my doubts.

I also know that a mobile QB and a stud RB can make any O-Line seem better. Wannstedt, who was a starting guard in ’73, has said how much the O-Line improved from 72 to 73.

April 10, 2018. Pirates beat the Cubs, 8-5. Pitt beat Texas A & M in Sept. 2003, 37-26, re-broadcast on ESPN Classics. Great day, for me. Larry Fitzgerald was spectacular and so was Rod Rutherford. Walt Harris was great in making second half changes and being a great offensive coach. Announcers Mussberger and Danielson couldn’t praise Pitt enough. Great day.

Gotta bring Johnny’s “shrine” to the spring game now…Predicting that Coach Majors wins on a trick play. What he called “Hully-Gully Football” haha. Love both those guys. When Walt was here my mom (in her 70’s) would always watch the team march to the stadium and Walt noticed she was there at every home game. He began walking over to her to give her a hug at every game. Her eyes would light up when she told the story. I ran into Walt at the Fiesta Bowl and introduced myself. He really got a kick out of that.