Fatal Affair was a little different departure from Force’s two previous books which were straight up contemporary romances. This one read like an episFatal Affair was a little different departure from Force’s two previous books which were straight up contemporary romances. This one read like an episode of Law and Order (cue the music) with heavy emphasis on the murder/political suspense thriller aspect, but still had a great romantic element between the lead characters Sam Holland and Nick Cappuano.

Police detective Sam Holland has a lot on her plate. Between caring for her injured in-the-line of duty father and some wonky stomach issues, she’s back on the job after her last case went horribly wrong and back in the spotlight investigating the gruesome murder of US Senator John O’Connor when she comes face to face with someone from her past...someone she had a one night stand with...someone who has major ties to this case...Nick Cappuano.

I just want to touch briefly on the Senator’s murder. Was it professionally or personally motivated? That is the $100,000 question. See the Senator was killed the night before a big vote on a Senate bill he was backing, but the manner in which he met his untimely demise…Eeeewwwwww…I imagine the method of murder would be every man's worse nightmare cuz it sure made me cringe!

Sam and Nick made an interesting couple. It’s been six years since the one night they shared and due to some major third party interference their relationship never had a chance to develop. Sam's all business at first since she knows she's walking a very slippery slope as she works all the angles while investigating the biggest case of her life under a microscope.

Nick’s still a hottie and still single probably because he's a workaholic who's not only the Senator’s Chief of Staff but was his best friend as well, so he wants the murder solved ASAP. Nick's in shock and grieving, but he also couldn’t be happier to have Sam back in his life because he's never gotten over her. Overall he was very supportive and understanding of Sam’s need to keep things between them strictly professional, but he's not about to let her get away again cuz one thing's for sure these two have some unfinished business. They actually made a good team since Nick has the inside track on the Senator’s friends, family and business associates and they do strike somewhat of a balance between the investigation and their personal relationship...at least in public.

One last mention goes to Sam’s police department partner Freddie. He’s a newbie just learning the ropes, but he reminded me of a cute, cuddly puppy dog…all tail wagging and eager to please. Here’s hoping he gets his own HEA in a future book because his story could be very entertaining.

Finally I will admit I am old school when it comes to reading and I enjoy the feel of a book in my hot little hands. I do not like reading AT ALL on the computer, so I wasn’t sure how I would like reading on the Itouch.

Well it wasn’t as sarcastic or as LOL funny as Lothaire (but I really didn’t expect it to be - that one’s going to be hard to top for me) but No RestWell it wasn’t as sarcastic or as LOL funny as Lothaire (but I really didn’t expect it to be - that one’s going to be hard to top for me) but No Rest for the Wicked was still wicked good.

I love this series and I’m glad I’ve still got the backlist to read. It’s fun to see and meet characters whose stories I’ve already read (Carrow and Regin).

I think Cole excels at creating characters who are immortal enemies and yet somehow end of mates. Being a big fan of The Amazing Race I appreciated the similarities the HIE represented to the TV show. Nothing like immortals on a no holds bar scavenger hunt. Looks like Mariketa the Awaited and Bowen’s story is up next...and I’ll be starting it soon....more

Book 2 in the Fatal series by Marie Force picks up with Sam and Nick's story right where Fatal Affair left off ( you really should read the 1st book iBook 2 in the Fatal series by Marie Force picks up with Sam and Nick's story right where Fatal Affair left off ( you really should read the 1st book in the series first to fully appreciate all the relationships).

There is a lot going on in this political/police procedural romantic suspense set on Capitol Hill.

Sam Holland’s been freshly sworn in for at her new position of Lieutenant, she’s still working on the cold case involving her father’s shooting that left him paralysed, defending herself in an IA investigation and now there’s another murder on the books and again it’s someone very close to the new man in her life.

Newly appointed interim Senator Nick Cappuano has a full plate with all his new responsibilities as a young Senator on Capitol Hill, he’s still reeling from the death of his good friend John (whose senatorial seat Nick assumed) and his growing relationship with Sam is enough to turn a sane man crazy.

I loved Nick and Sam’s relationship. They both have a lot of adjustments to make, but there is no doubt that through all their troubles they truly love one another. I loved that Force wrote their relationship with real concerns and problems two people in their positions would face. How it feels having to deal with the knowledge daily that someone you love could get killed every day at their job. Watching Nick deal with his fears about Sam’s safety was heart-wrenching. Sam had her own relationship insecurities from her previously bad relationship and her hesitations almost cost her Nick. Add in being in the spotlight and under the media’s constant scrutiny and it was just one more issue these two had to deal with. Both Sam and Nick keep things from each other (important things) but only with the best intentions towards the other’s feelings and protecting each other - unfortunately it backfires on more than one occasion. But it does lead to some pretty spectacular make-up sex.

Lastly Freddie! Freddie! Freddie! The young detective and Sam's partner is a great secondary character. The poor boy learned a very hard lesson in a very hard way in Fatal Justice. I love his character, his innocence and newly found interest in s-e-x (he took a vow of celibacy at 14 and is as fresh as the driven snow) and with someone like Elin who is soooo opposite to him. I love them and they need to have their own story.

There is lots of action in Fatal Justice - it never stops and it reminded me a little of the TV show The Closer, although Sam Holland is no southern belle, soft spoken Brenda Lee Johnson. Both are however tough as nails women who are at the top of their game when it comes to police work, have a great supporting cast of characters surrounding them and can solve a case like nobody’s business.

Thank goodness this is not the end of the Sam and Nick show (since book 3 Fatal Consequences is out July 2011) and I fear Sam has not heard the last from the douche bag Lieutenant Stahl who is out to get her and the search for her father’s shooter still weighs heavily on her mind. I can't wait for the next instalment! ...more

Beg for Mercy is the book anyone who enjoys the suspense and spine-tingling story-telling a la Karen Rose or Laura Griffin. When I choose to read a RSBeg for Mercy is the book anyone who enjoys the suspense and spine-tingling story-telling a la Karen Rose or Laura Griffin. When I choose to read a RS - I want a couple of things. A suspenseful, plausible story to keep me guessing and a good conflict between the hero and heroine. I love to feel the romantic tension when the characters just love to hate one another. I like to see the journey the author takes them on from being on the outs to somehow overcoming their differences and getting it on.

One day everything seems perfect in Megan Flynn’s life. She’s getting all cozy with the new man in her life Seattle Detective Cole Williams and they‘re just about to do the horizontal mambo when Cole gets a phone call that turns Megan’s life on it’s ear and their fledgling relationship on its head.

Megan Flynn loves her older brother Sean without a doubt. When a young woman is found murdered in Sean’s home and he is sentenced to death row - from that point forward Megan spends every waking minute of every day trying to find proof that somehow, someway her brother did not commit the heinous crime he of which he’s been accused.

As the arresting officer, Cole Williams is a by the book, just the facts ma’am dedicated to his job detective. And all the facts point with a big, fat arrow straight at Sean Flynn as the murderer of a young woman he was supposedly stalking from a popular club.

Warning: Conflict ahead. Megan and Cole’s relationship flushes right down the toilet. From simmering hot to ice age cold in the blink of an eye. So much for happily ever after. As long as Sean’s in prison, Megan will never rest until she proves her brother’s innocence. And as long as Cole believes her brother is guilty they will never see eye to eye. Phewww how are they ever going to get past those roadblocks to happiness?

Fast forward three years and a new case of a woman brutally murdered brings Cole and Megan face to face just as the date of Sean’s execution is fast approaching.

Megan and Cole even three years later still had unresolved feeling for one another. Cole’s always felt guilty about how his relationship with Megan ended badly, but he was just doing his job. Now with this new rash of murdered women, Megan‘s persistence that the cases are somehow related to her brother‘s case and Cole‘s latent guilt, he reluctantly agrees to help her.

The villain in Beg for Mercy was particularly dark and the killing and torture scenes graphic and grizzly. This is not the type of book to read before bed unless you want a few nightmares. I didn’t know for sure who the killer was. Ms. Alden set the stage and offered up a few possible suspects and I liked that she keep me guessing.

The ending of Beg For Mercy was intense, suspenseful and edge of your seat reading.

Next up is Sean’s story in Hide From Evil. If I thought Cole and Megan had a conflict, well then I don’t think I’ve seen anything yet. Sean and his prosecuting attorney? He spent three years in jail because of her? Man how’s that gonna play out? Me? I can’t wait to find out! ...more

I’ve always thought since book 1 in this series that Chloe and Sawyer’s book was going to be asthma attack inducing good. Pairing the youngest, wild cI’ve always thought since book 1 in this series that Chloe and Sawyer’s book was going to be asthma attack inducing good. Pairing the youngest, wild child sister with the reformed bad boy and now keeper of the law in Lucky Harbor Sheriff Sawyer Thompson has been greatly anticipated by me. The build up to their story has been brewing for two books and it did not disappoint. Sawyer and Chloe are a combustible duo...as long as Sawyer can get past his fears of possibly killing Chloe when he gets her all hot and bothered. Never really thought about someone with asthma and what might happen when they get excited playing a little game of slap and tickle. Poor Sawyer knows first hand when they get close in an outdoor sexy shower scene. Not a happy ending was had by all. But Sawyer perfects his approach using a “slow and easy” tried and true method as their relationship develops. The Sheriff knows how to do his homework!

Chloe’s done a lot of growing up since we first met her. She’s come to realize and accept that her sisters mean a lot to her - even if she can‘t readily admit it. She‘s made friends, made a career for herself with the Day Spa at the B&B and she’s even come to realize that putting down roots in Lucky Harbor has added benefits in the form of a hot, hunky Sheriff. She’s all grown up - well for the most part...after all she didn’t get the moniker Wild Child by accident. There’s lots more sister bonding for Maddie, Tara and Chloe as the sisters are still a work in progress in their new family dynamic. Jax and Ford still take delight in tormenting poor Sawyer, but at least when Chloe’s around, the stoic sheriff has learned to loosen up a bit and start having some fun. One thing’s for sure no matter how aggravating Chloe is to Sawyer’s peace of mind...the little wild child can bring a smile to his face. No one is more deserving to be “inhaler worthy” than Sawyer.

So this isn’t the end for the Lucky Harbor series and I’m glad about that. Not sure if “Cute Boy’s” story is next, but whoever it is, it’s sure to be another winner from Shalvis. I don’t think she can write a bad story. I’ve come to expect all the great, funny dialogue, crazy characters (Lucille and her Face book addiction LOL) and heart-warming stories.

I can’t end without expressing my absolute favorite part of the Lucky Harbor series and that’s the quip that Shalvis starts every chapter with. Love them! They made me laugh, smile and shake my head yes in agreement. I couldn’t wait to see what new pearls of wisdom each chapter would start with. I’ve gone back and read a few again.

Or Hoo as Elizabeth might exclaim. I LOVED Lothaire...err the book...not the man...but he was pretty darn entertai5 big blood-sucking delicious stars!

Or Hoo as Elizabeth might exclaim. I LOVED Lothaire...err the book...not the man...but he was pretty darn entertaining. I traced...err raced right through this book. I didn’t want to put it down; didn’t want to sleep and was even late for work as I tried to fit in a few minutes of reading in the morning (and that never happens!).

Lothaire: the Enemy of Old; the most feared and powerful Vampire in the universe; an arrogant, self-important, sarcastic in spades S.O.B. that ever lived. I preferred Elizabeth’s nickname for him Leo...how cute!

Elizabeth: a backwoods babe; a virginal, barefoot hillbilly from the Appalachian mountains. How was this mere mortal going to hold her own against such a strong and powerful Vamp?

How? How? How was Kresley Cole going to pull off this pairing? It was either going to be a match made in heaven or hell.

Well if anyone was up for the challenge, it was certainly Elizabeth Peirce. For Lothaire to lower himself to deal with this mortal, white trailer trash was unthinkable and despicable, but he needed the human vessel currently housing his Bride Saroya and he couldn’t harm her. The big guy was kinda caught between a rock and a hard place. Ellie took full advantage of her situation. Poking, prodding and challenging Lothaire at every turn to outwit, outlast and out think him in her ultimate game of Survivor because if Lothaire succeeded in his quest for the ring...her game would end permanently.

I laughed out loud many times during the reading of Lothaire. I smiled, I cursed Lothaire and his arrogance and cheered on Elizabeth as she used her wiles and cunning on the Vamp. I could have quoted funny lines from this book all day. Elizabeth took Lothaire’s snide remarks (mostly about her heritage) in stride, gave as good as she got and on more than one occasion caused the Enemy of Old to use his walls as a punching bag.

Add in the great supporting cast of Hag and cutie-patootie Thad and the Nucking Futs Nix and it all added up to a fantastic read. I especially loved the little heart-to-heart between Nix and Lothaire. Two sworn adversaries watching each other’s back...ahhhhhh perfection.

Whose book is next...so many choices. Isn’t it about time Nix got her HEA? Guess we’ll all just have to wait and see what Ms. Cole has in store for her Immortals After Dark....more

Here’s another book in which the heroine has a disability. It’s the 3rd book I’ve read in the last several where the heroine has a physical or healthHere’s another book in which the heroine has a disability. It’s the 3rd book I’ve read in the last several where the heroine has a physical or health related handicap. In If You Hear Her, Lena is blind which I found very different and unusual and was quite interested to see how her disability would play out within the story.

Walker portrayed Lena as an independent woman, holding down a job as a chef at an Inn no less and living her life as if she wasn’t handicapped at all. I was impressed with Lena’s attitude and her abilities. Of course she has a trusty sidekick in her guide dog Puck - whom I loved. And a new man heating up her love life Ezra King.

Ezra King is a state cop on disability leave, trying to recover after being shot and betrayed by a partner and a lover. Lots of baggage, guilt and nightmares there.

Ezra and Lena make a connection from their first meeting, but it’s not all smooth sailing when he gets a case of cold feet when he thinks his feelings for Lena may be spiralling out of control a bit fast.

In If You Hear Her we know that someone in the town is killing people, we just don’t know why, other than he’s messed up and we really have no idea who it is. Walker has done a masterful job of keeping us guessing and keeping the killer’s identity under wraps. I have my guess, but until I read books 2 and 3 in the series I won’t know if I’m right or not.

I did try to get the info out of Puck...because we all know - he knows who the killer is based on several of his reactions throughout the story. I tried to bribe him with doggie treats - but he was keeping those doggy lips zipped tight.

Rounding out the cast is Law Reilly - one of Lena’s closest friends in town and a suspect for a time and his childhood friend and battered wife Hope. These two look like they are the main characters in the next two books coming in 2012.

If you don’t like the cliff-hanger ending plot devise used by a lot of authors, then you might want to wait til the other books in this series are released before you start reading If You Hear Her because you aren’t going to get a resolution to the investigation in this book. I bet we don’t get it until book 3. ...more

Catch me: A victim’s dare or a killer’s taunt? It’s up to Detective DD Warren and her team to decipher all the clues, ask the right questions and getCatch me: A victim’s dare or a killer’s taunt? It’s up to Detective DD Warren and her team to decipher all the clues, ask the right questions and get all the answers before it’s too late.

As usual Lisa Gardner gives us multiple pieces of a puzzle, seemingly unrelated cases and yet as the story progresses, she weaves and interconnects all the pieces together into a story in such a way that you are compelled to read to find out how all it’s all going to turn out in the end.

Lisa Gardner is a great story teller and I’ve been reading about DD Warren for years. She’s a little more humanized in Catch Me being a new mom with 10 week old son Jack at home, she’s sleep deprived and is getting a real dose of what working moms go through everyday. Her relationship with Alex is stable and “gasp” we even learn she has parents.

Lisa Gardner never fails to deliver and a sure sign of a great read for me is when I finish a book within a day....more

WHHHHY!! Why did I wait to read this book. I hate that I left Fatal Consequences lingering on Mount TBR. I blame it on the old adage toooooo many goodWHHHHY!! Why did I wait to read this book. I hate that I left Fatal Consequences lingering on Mount TBR. I blame it on the old adage toooooo many good books...too little time. It was sooooo good. A perfect storm of Nick and Sam.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Given the climate on the US political scene right now...disgraced 5 star Generals having affairs putting their careers in jeopardy...I couldn’t help but compare it to what Marie Force serves up in Fatal Consequences even though it was written over a year ago. I know I’m late to the party on this one, but better late than never.

I think Nick is perfect and if he wasn’t a fictional character, I would totally want him for my boyfriend...as long as Sam doesn’t find out and kick my ass.

If I can’t have Nick then I am glad he and Sam have each other. They are perfect together. He is the ying to her yang. They ground each other and are truly each other’s soul mates. But even soul mates have rough patches and issues to work through and I as a reader am thoroughly enjoying the journey as their relationship grows and deepens. They are a testament to how a strong, high profile couple can make a relationship work. And it does take work, it’s not easy and that’s what makes it special.

This series just keeps getting better and better and I can’t wait to continue reading about my “boyfriend” Nick, Gonzo and his baby daddy issues, Freddie and his mommy issues, adorable little Scotty and the super tough as nails Lieutenant Sam Holland.

I love the Psy-Changeling series. I have since I picked up my first book by Nalini Singh and got hooked into this interesting passionate, unpredictablI love the Psy-Changeling series. I have since I picked up my first book by Nalini Singh and got hooked into this interesting passionate, unpredictable, every-changing world.

I guess I shouldn’t really be surprised that the Author has now gone to hardcover 1st publications and since I refuse to pay the hardcover prices when the series has been in paperback all along and I refuse to pay the same price for an e-book as a hardcover, I now must wait the 6 or so months until the MMPB is released. It sucks to have to wait but it is what it is.

Doesn’t change my love of the series any, just kind of pisses me off.

In Tangle of need I wasn’t initially feeling the love for Riaz and Adria. I had no lasting memory of them from previous books and I was prepared for this not to be one of my favorites.

But Hawke and Sienna have some major face time in this book so much so that they almost felt like the main characters and stole the show. I love that big alpha wolf. I was quite pleased with the expanded role they had in Tangle of Need.

Eventually Riaz and Adria did find their way into my heart. I did enjoy their actual hate of each other at the start. I do enjoy it when the couple hate each other but are extremely attracted to one another none the less. This lone wolf and capable senior lieutenant have some pretty steep hurdles to overcome with their lack of the bonding and the fact that Riaz feels mated to Lisette who is married to another. This is a big deal in the changeling world. No matter their issues Riaz and Adria have a pretty powerful attraction to each other and enter into a smoking hot yet tenuous relationship together.

I tired to find out who the next book could possibly be about but I guess that’s a closely guarded secret right now so much so that they won’t even release the name of the book for fear of giving something away. There is a lot of speculation The Ghost gets his story.

I guess I’ll just have to wait...extra long...for the MMBP release....more

I see your true colors shining through...I feel like this could be my first singing review.

This latest offering from Thea Harrison won’t take you longI see your true colors shining through...I feel like this could be my first singing review.

This latest offering from Thea Harrison won’t take you long to devour and if you’re a fan of the Elder races, you’ve probably already finished it.

Gideon Riehl (love the name!) is a Wyr wolf...as opposed to a werewolf. He's big, bad-ass, blond and growly. He’s also a detective in the Wyr Division of Violent Crimes and he’s on the hunt for a ritualistic serial killer.

Alice Clark is also a Wyr whose ability is to blend in anywhere and hide in plain sight...commences singing again...Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon.

I really liked how Harrison set up the initial meeting between Gideon and Alice and the subsequent chase through the streets.

This wolf and chameleon make an instant connection but will need to keep their wits about them since the killer has his next target in his sights.

Glad I listened to all the good buzz about this book. I loved it! Humor, fun, a truly kick-ass "off with their heads and ask questions later" heroineGlad I listened to all the good buzz about this book. I loved it! Humor, fun, a truly kick-ass "off with their heads and ask questions later" heroine and a loveable dragon. I'll be catching up on the rest of this series and the siblings. Good fun!...more

First off let me say that when I started reading the Fever series I glommed the 1st four books in the series in about two weeks. Yes I was la3.5 stars

First off let me say that when I started reading the Fever series I glommed the 1st four books in the series in about two weeks. Yes I was late to the KMM party but better late than never. I along with everyone else then waited on pins and needles for Shadowfever and was not disappointed...Barrons *sigh*.

I can’t say I loved Iced like I did the original series. But I knew I was definitely going to read it just in case Mac and Barrons made an appearance. Ok I was really just hoping for Barrons *sigh*. KMM was nice enough to give us a tiny, tiny morsel of his yumminess.

I had a few misgivings about Dani being only 14 and having much older “men” (uses term loosely) lusting after her. There is definitely something skivvy about all the sexual innuendo and sexual banter between her and Ryodan. I believe that Ryodan knows Dani is destined for greatness and he’s just biding his time with her...kind of like Barrons did with Mac.

There were many parts of Iced I enjoyed but also a few I skimmed through. I felt that Iced was a book that set the stage for the future books in the series.

I hope Dani “Mega” O’Malley ages a bit in the next book and of course I hope KMM includes a few more references to Barrons *sigh*....more

Lucky Harbor is a small, quaint, seaside town where everybody knows your name (Cheers anyone?). It‘s filled with meddling busybodies who keep the townLucky Harbor is a small, quaint, seaside town where everybody knows your name (Cheers anyone?). It‘s filled with meddling busybodies who keep the town up-to-date with all the latest goings on and the juiciest gossip (yes I’m looking at you Lucille) on “The” Facebook (Ella - It’s just Facebook LOL), a curmudgeonly dowager (Mrs. Burland that would be you), interfering, well-meaning family members (Ella, Tammy and Joe take note), best friends and co-founders of the chocoholics (Grace and Amy) and finally hot, hunky, mysterious cute guys who make them good girls go bad (Ty and Mallory take your bows).

Given the chance any one of the dedicated readers and lovers of this series would love to live in Lucky Harbor or at least pay a visit.

One thing you can always count on from Jill Shalvis...loads of laughs, smiles galore and a sweet, heartfelt love story.

As with the previous books in the Lucky Harbor series, I find myself greatly amused by the quip at the start of each chapter - I so look forward to it and it‘s one of my very favorite parts of this series. And this time while reading Lucky in Love I found myself with an exceptionally strong, uncontrollable desire to eat chocolate...continuously.

When’s the next bus leave for Lucky Harbor? The Eat Me Café has a stool with my name on it. I want a meeting with the chocoholics!...more

If you’re a fan of straight up legal dramas then you won’t be disappointed by Hostile Witness (and it was a freebie at Amazon - doesn‘t get much betteIf you’re a fan of straight up legal dramas then you won’t be disappointed by Hostile Witness (and it was a freebie at Amazon - doesn‘t get much better than that). It reads like any great lawyer show you might watch on TV or see at the movies. In fact it would make a great movie.

I was hooked right from the opening chapter.

A well-loved, Supreme Court Justice Fritz Rayburn is dead and a young 16 year old girl, Hannah Sheraton is in jail accused of his murder.

Josie Baylor-Bates is a great lawyer. She’s an athlete who enjoys a little beach volleyball, has a great no strings attached, mutually satisfying relationship with ex-cop turned PI Archer and a great low stress job at a laid back practice in Hermosa Beach...ahhhh that's the life.

But once upon a time Josie was a big time lawyer, forced into the spotlight when she defended a young woman, a mother of two small children. Josie defended her client so brilliantly that she walked only to later perpetrate the greatest crime a mother could commit. Josie never wanted to be in that position again so she threw in the towel for local small time, small problem law. Until a blast from her college days Linda Rayburn begs and pleads for Josie to defend her innocent daughter, accused of murder...the murder of Judge Rayburn.

The whole case is extremely interesting and complex. Hannah was a disturbed teenage whose metal status I continually questioned. She’s got OCD, cuts herself with razor blades and has been in trouble with the law in the past...basically she's a mess. Did she or didn't she do it?

It’s up to Josie to figure out the truth from the lies. What hidden Rayburn family dynamics are at work? The judge's son Kip, married to Hannah’s mom Linda is poised to assume his father’s seat on the bench. Who's willing to lie to keep the truth hidden? And is a little bit crazy Hannah going to be the scapegoat?

I really enjoyed Hostile Witness. It keep me guessing (even at 90% into the story). Was Hannah really innocent? Was she a consummate master manipulator? Josie was steadfastly in Hannah’s corner, defending her with every lawyer bone in her body when others would have sacrificed her to further their own agenda. Was history going to repeat itself? Was it possible for Josie to be so wrong about someone for a second time?

This is my first book by Rebecca Forster, but it won't be my last. I loved it. ...more

Another great lawyer drama storyline. Archer's in a world of hurt in Silent Witness and the big bad ex-cop has got to rely on Josie and her lawyeringAnother great lawyer drama storyline. Archer's in a world of hurt in Silent Witness and the big bad ex-cop has got to rely on Josie and her lawyering skills to get him out of trouble and keep in out of jail. Really engrossing storyline as we learn a lot about Archer's backstory. I am really enjoying this series by Rebecca Forster....more