I find myself in complete disagreement with this article by Black Poison, He has come up with an elaborate article that covers many aspects of Indian
history. Unfortunately there is total mix up of religion and history here. India's history can be described in few lines as.

1. 64000 BC - Explosion of Toba Volcano on Indonesian island of Sumatra. India covered under several meters of ash. All humans die and previous
history is wiped out.
2. 10000 BC- First hunter gatherers appear from North west. So also from Malaysia and Andaman islands. They all use stone tools.
3. 6000 BC- First agricultural community settles at Mehergarh in present pakistan
4. 4000 BC - Chalcolithic habitats of Indus civilization, establishments of mega cities etc.
5. 2000 BC - Monsoon starts drying up, Indus civilizations collapse. Sarswati river, east of Indus, dries completely. The humans start migrating to
Ganga basin and to south to Godavari river basins. Since the monsoon here can not support large cities, small city states develop.
6. 1400 BC- Chalcolithic communities of south mix up with neolithic communities that have migrated from east (Malasia) and a new Indian race is
formed.
7. 800 BC the intermixing of communities continues. First major states apeear in Ganga basin.
8. 600 BC- Buddha is born

From this onwards Indian history is well known.

The main problem faced by so called historians is where and how to fix up vedic religion in this time line. Indus civilization people worshiped idols
of fertility and Linga as phallic symbol. This practice continued all along the above timeline and even today. According to my thinking, vedic
religion spread mainly in north India, in the same way Buddhist religion spread to China, Korea and Japan.

In short Indian culture today is a legacy of Indus culture with many other tribal cultures mixed into it.

You can read about historical evidence, archaeological findings in couple of these articles written by me.

With all due respect, the "Aryan Invasion" or migration concept is very well known. Long before I got into India I heard about this theory. Do a
basic web search man and a legion of sites and books will pop up. Below are three from the first search I did:

Op, this is one of my favorite topics and India has fascinated me for years now, including both the religions, philosophies, and history. I finally
went to India after many years of study, going to Delhi, Agra, Varanasi, Rishikesh, Dharamsala, and Jaipur. Did some ashram stays, yoga, meditation,
and backpacking.

Anyways, yes, some of the ancient tales told in the Indian texts are fantastic, especially the vimanas and weaponry.

Also VERY worth mentioning is the philosophic depth of esoteric Hinduism, from whence Buddhism also eventually arose.

Although I was raised an evangelical Christian, i was gradually drawn away to Eastern philosophy due to, from my perspective, the illogical and
shallow nature of the so-called Abrahamic religions. Just didn't do it for me.

But, i then got deep into Buddhism, which I still have a deep respect for. Once I began reading about "real "yoga" and esoteric Hinduism, I was
blown away. To this day, the complexity, holistic nature of, completeness, and depth of such yogic teachings is mind-blowing. It blows away pretty
much all the other main religions, only being paralleled by all of the deeper, esoteric hidden teachings of other religions.

I highly suggest that people read books by Hindu sages or Yogis for fantastic mystical stories, in which it is claimed that our birthright is, as a
drop of god in this realm, to be able to do all that Jesus or other avatars did. Time travel, transporting, healing people, changing form, flying,
astral travel, so on and so forth. But it isn't just magical stuff like Harry Potter. Many of these books explain very well the deeper layers of
reality, the meaning of life, and how these things work.

Hey man, thanks for the post. I am not sure what the other person claimed about the African green glass in the desert, but in the Indus Valley sites
such as Harappa there is evidence of some insane amount of heat (such as vitrified clay/stone) + radiation and people lying dead in the streets. Of
course, this doesn't automatically equal nuclear blast. But, it is intriguing as few things can cause all of that.

Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl14
Hey man, thanks for the post. I am not sure what the other person claimed about the African green glass in the desert, but in the Indus Valley sites
such as Harappa there is evidence of some insane amount of heat (such as vitrified clay/stone) + radiation and people lying dead in the streets. Of
course, this doesn't automatically equal nuclear blast. But, it is intriguing as few things can cause all of that.

to all who commented above that hindu symbol look exactly like that of nazi symbol (swasthika).
please know the fact that swasthika was adopted from india. you can see hindu symbols and words which were later used by different religions.
for eg ,christians "amen" came from "omen" which came from indian vedic word "om"

First of all the hindu scriptures in its ORAL form pre-date the history of the Egyptians, the scriptures were HANDED DOWN orally by "mantras" hence
why "the Bhagavad Gita" translated into English out of Sanskrit means (((THE SONG OF GOD))))

Just like buddhas scriptures were handed down orally for 500 years before it was put into a book.

But the vedic scriptures talk of the indus valley area which pre-date Egypt all together as the latest historical findings show.

Also we see IVORY plaques in Tombs in egypt and pictures of lions.... Lions are only found in india and africa

humans came OUT of africa down to india and spread out across asia and europe.

any idiot that claims that india got its scriptures from the stories of Egypt really has no idea about archaeology and migration and human dna
tracking.

The Egyptians took the information from the vedic scriptures and just done their own thing with it, same thing what Buddha did and Jesus and
Muhammad.

originally posted by: aceb4u
First of all the hindu scriptures in its ORAL form pre-date the history of the Egyptians, the scriptures were HANDED DOWN orally by "mantras" hence
why "the Bhagavad Gita" translated into English out of Sanskrit means (((THE SONG OF GOD))))

There is no evidence that can be used to indicate that any Vedic literature is "older than the Egyptians."

There was no written Vedic tradition until sometime around the 1st Century BC. All of the Vedas were an oral tradition before then.

Earliest estimated dates are around 1500 BC, only about 2 THOUSAND years after the Egyptians started writing, and a full four thousand years after the
Egyptian culture starting coming together.

Its weird how the Hindu mark almost looks like the Nazi symbol but without the dots in the center, it just goes to show how most of us are linked
directly to the past. I find the bottom pics to have quite a resemblance to modern day automobiles as well. Well done once again BP.
$&F

That's because the Nazis borrowed the swastika from Asia. Remember that they journeyed to Tibet and other regions to seek out mysticism. The Swastika
is an ancient symbol of peace and other meanings as well, including for example the four elements or directions if I'm not mistaken. It's mainly
from Hinduism and Buddhism. To this day if one goes to for example Japan ALL Buddhist temples are marked on the map with a swastika. I have a Japanese
Buddhist monastery book that has a big ole swastika on it.

The Nazis reversed it, which some people take to mean that they perverted the meaning from peace to the opposite.

originally posted by: aceb4u
First of all the hindu scriptures in its ORAL form pre-date the history of the Egyptians, the scriptures were HANDED DOWN orally by "mantras" hence
why "the Bhagavad Gita" translated into English out of Sanskrit means (((THE SONG OF GOD))))

There is no evidence that can be used to indicate that any Vedic literature is "older than the Egyptians."

There was no written Vedic tradition until sometime around the 1st Century BC. All of the Vedas were an oral tradition before then.

Earliest estimated dates are around 1500 BC, only about 2 THOUSAND years after the Egyptians started writing, and a full four thousand years after the
Egyptian culture starting coming together.

But the vedic scriptures talk of the indus valley area which pre-date Egypt all together as the latest historical findings show.

Please link this info. Evidence shows the IVC approximately contemporary with the Egyptian First Dynasty, and the Egyptians were thriving there
before that (Predynastic Egypt.)

originally posted by: aceb4uAlso we see IVORY plaques in Tombs in egypt and pictures of lions.... Lions are only found in
india and africa

And Egypt is where?

originally posted by: aceb4u
humans came OUT of africa down to india and spread out across asia and europe.

It appears they came out of Africa and into the Middle East. There's no connection between India and Africa for people to go "down into."

originally posted by: aceb4uany idiot that claims that india got its scriptures from the stories of Egypt really has no
idea about archaeology and migration and human dna tracking.

Is there some idiot claiming this?

originally posted by: aceb4u
The Egyptians took the information from the vedic scriptures and just done their own thing with it, same thing what Buddha did and Jesus and
Muhammad.

That's a load of bull.

Harte

As to the last phrase, it is true at least as far as the Buddha part. You have to remember that the Buddha is said even int Buddhist
scriptures to be born of a Hindu royal family. And, in his early years he studied various mystical branches of that foundation. Even with some of his
eventual departures from classical Hinduism or yoga, such as not believing in a true "soul," Buddhism is still permeated with many practices and
mystical views on life that are echoed in earlier and present esoteric Hinduism. Other religions that came out of the Vedic umbrella were Sikhism and
Jainism.

In response to the original post 12 pages back. Many people that date parts of Indian history according to Vedic math and angular relations between
planets do the calculations completely wrong. The universe is always changing and the movement of planets in relation to each other changes over time
albeit very little in the inner planets. Let's use the false date of Ramas birth in 7323 B.C isn't accurate. Even remotely. If you include the
distance and change in planets orbiting speeds, you're end result is far earlier in history. I'm not showing any math here because 1 it's simply
not possible and 2 its lengthy. You get a date of around 23,000 B.C. At Rama's time the bridge to Lanka would've been far above the regular ocean
height. The only visible part via satellite is gathered sediment and the top railings.

People try and figure out info about Rama and Krishna but few research on Ravana. Lanka was supposed to be Sri Lanka except with extended borders
until the shelf drop off. But what happened in Western India where many deserts and dried up rivers lay. Many people speculate of a nuclear war in the
west. The only other powers at the same time were the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians, and of course Atlanteans which are also described in Indian texts.
They are said to have more cylindrical vimanas that are pipe shaped. Atlanteans were also described as more ambitious people seeking to conquer others
through war. Few records of the conflict are described though but I believe the conflicts are what reset society back to basically being stupid.
Dwarka, in Gulf of Khambhat is being recovered slowly but is a fairly small city than what I expected. The sonar scans I saw and sediment residue
lines point to there being very tall buildings in it but only relatively, around 4-8 floors.

This lead to my last point. The original Dravidians came from the East. Angkor Wat, if uncovered COMPLETELY, you would see an almost modern city with
ruins spread out for 10-20 km. I believe Angkor Wat was the original Hindu city as in the first ever built. It is built above a naturally sunken in
area In almost a meteorite impact fashion. An elevated
pedestal in the middle and a lifted rim. The temple section is on the elevated central pedestal but at its current elevation must mean that it is the
top section of a larger temple complex but some excavation must have been done to remove sediment covering the initial area when Buddhists resettled
the temple. This city was most likely a vertical city since buildings filled with dirt are found by workers occasionally but they never dig down far
enough and usually hit a granite floor. Over time I speculate that gold plating or electroplated gold had been stripped away along with temple blocks.

originally posted by: ThePheonix16482
In response to the original post 12 pages back. Many people that date parts of Indian history according to Vedic math and angular relations between
planets do the calculations completely wrong. The universe is always changing and the movement of planets in relation to each other changes over time
albeit very little in the inner planets. Let's use the false date of Ramas birth in 7323 B.C isn't accurate. Even remotely. If you include the
distance and change in planets orbiting speeds, you're end result is far earlier in history. I'm not showing any math here because 1 it's simply
not possible and 2 its lengthy. You get a date of around 23,000 B.C. At Rama's time the bridge to Lanka would've been far above the regular ocean
height. The only visible part via satellite is gathered sediment and the top railings.

"I'm not showing any math..." Good Lord.

Well, I'm certain that the birth of Rama occurred 150 years ago, but I'm not showing any math either.

originally posted by: ThePheonix16482
Dwarka, in Gulf of Khambhat is being recovered slowly but is a fairly small city than what I expected. The sonar scans I saw and sediment residue
lines point to there being very tall buildings in it but only relatively, around 4-8 floors.

But this is just my opinion supported with a little bit of research.

Given that Dwaraka is not in the Gulf of Khambat, I'd say an extremely "little bit" of research.

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