We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life
and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about
how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death – and
the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their
‘sport’ is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER
personnel.

Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves.
You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage
women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail.* Women and kids do not
have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why
they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without
attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from
anyway?

Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ?

You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let
alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like
you.

Ah, hubris.

I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify.
The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers
who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their
deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there
is some justice in the world after all.

Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving.

Edward Dolan wrote:
You obviously have no acquaintance with Great Saints, let
alone anyone Great. It is a common condition of dwarfs and midgets like
you.
Ah, hubris.
I've never met a great saint; no, you don't qualify.

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no ordinary saint.
The only sad and twisted men I know about are mountain bikers
who ride their bikes on hiking trails. Fortunately, most of them get their
deserved rewards in the way of injuries and death. Almost makes me think there
is some justice in the world after all.
Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled. So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of injuries. Is that your idea of recreation â€“ to be risking life and limb?

Edward Dolan wrote:
The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and
road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain biking
was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.
No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page 17 to be precise. As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing ...

What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue.

Edward Dolan wrote:
We all know what kind of mountain bikers take risks with life
and limb. They are invariably young and male ... and then like to gloat about
how seriously they were injured. The only cure for what ails them is death – and
the sooner the better. Most mountain bikers are not aware of how dangerous their
‘sport’ is nor is the community at large, other than doctors and the ER
personnel.
Ed, you're a dinosaur. This is the 21st century and men and women of all ages ride; and occasionally fall off and hurt themselves.

Reports from the field refute entirely your assessment of how dangerous cycling is on hiking trails.
You poor stupid sap! It is actually criminal to encourage
women and kids to mountain bike on a hiking trail. Women and kids do not
have a clue about how dangerous mountain biking on a hiking trail is. It is why
they injure themselves just trying to ride such a trail normally without
attempting feats of daredevilry like the young males. What planet are you from
anyway?
Are you seriously suggesting that an intelligent, adult woman is unable to make up her own mind as to the risks ?

Yes, when the propaganda is as one sided as it is. They simply know any better. Males will risk life and limb for an adrenalin rush. They are extremely stupid for doing that. Women and kids are not constituted that stupidly. They think biking on a hiking trail is a safe thing to do – and it is anything but!

This afternoon (20th Jan) at approx 2.45pm the Nelson Marlborough
Rescue Helicopter was dispatched to the scene of a mountain bike
crash near Dunn Mountain, on the Coppermine Saddle, East of Nelson.

A 48 year old Auckland man out riding with his son, sustained a
shoulder injury as a result of the crash. He was assessed by the
helicopters onboard intensive care paramedic before he and his son
were flown to Nelson Hospital.”

*
The report I cited only mentioned mountain biking, not BMX and
road biking. You need to slow down and think before you post. Mountain
biking
was much less than hiking. Always has been and always will be.*

*
No, Ed, I quoted directly FROM the report that you cited ... Page
17 to be precise.* As I said, you need to actually read the whole thing
...

*

What difference does it make (to quote our illustrious
Hillary)? BMX and road biking have nothing to do with our issue.

The difference Ed is that you were trying to be misleading ... by selectively quoting very small parts of quite a long report. So, no, the report YOU MENTIONED does not just include Mountain Biking. It includes a whole bunch of information.

Well, as you have already in this thread caught yourself out by not
bothering to read the report that YOU cited .. I rest my case :-)

I read the pertinent parts. Only idiots read entire reports
that are beside the issue.

And how, do tell me, are you going to figure out what is pertinent unless you bother to read it ? I would have thought that was obvious.

It's very clear that all you did was skim read to the parts that you thought supported your argument and ignored the rest ... blissfully unaware that the report, overall, doesn't support your positions at all.

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably
know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no
ordinary saint.

You possess none of the attributes of a saint ...
Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data
provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled.
So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most
dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite
dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of
injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and
limb?

Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.

"Blackblade" wrote in message ...
I've never met a great saint; no, you don't
qualify.

Edward Dolan wrote:

Nonsense, you have met ME via this newsgroup. You probably
know ME now as well as anybody in this world. And you have to admit, I am no
ordinary saint.
You possess none of the attributes of a saint ...

I think you no doubt met to say I possess ALL of the attributes of a Great Saint. No need to be embarrassed, We all make mistakes.
Actually, the fatality rate ... derived from data
provided by one M J Vandeman ... is 0.00123 per million miles travelled.
So, much safer than driving.

You are quite right about driving being about the most
dangerous thing any of us can do. However, mountain biking is actually quite
dangerous. For every death there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of
injuries. Is that your idea of recreation - to be risking life and
limb?
Yes, am quite prepared to take a relatively low risk in order to be active and enjoy my life. If I fall off, which I do periodically, then I view it philosophically as the price to be paid.
As it's my life and limb I am fully entitled to do so.

If you are knowledgeable about the risks that is one thing, but most folks are NOT knowledgeable. It is a crime to be promoting mountain biking on hiking trails without full knowledge of how dangerous it is.

By the way, if you were to suffer a really serious injury, one that left you paralyzed for example, I doubt that you would think it was worth it. Price to be paid â€“ indeed!