Despite doubt and derision being heaped on Weld County commissioners' proposal for the new state of "North Colorado," a board member said he and others are drawing support from a growing number of counties to join the movement. Weld County Commissioner Sean Conway said he and the four other board members met Monday morning and emerged "more resolute than ever" in pushing the idea forward...

Did they test the water for stuff like lead? Or are they drinking the fracking fluid already? All I can say, I have disagreed many times with a republican majority but I believe in the United States...with all of the warts and scars...these folks are crybabies, and cowards.. there are other countries out there who would embrace their attitudes and welcome them in...Somalia comes to mind...

I love rural CO. But, come on folks - there are a lot more productive ways to addressing our problems than this bluster. To the leaders of this movement - how about using your voice for something substantive?!

sunmusing wrote:Did they test the water for stuff like lead? Or are they drinking the fracking fluid already? All I can say, I have disagreed many times with a republican majority but I believe in the United States...with all of the warts and scars...these folks are crybabies, and cowards.. there are other countries out there who would embrace their attitudes and welcome them in...Somalia comes to mind...

How would you like to live where your vote does not count for anything, the government that rules you does not listen to or care what you say? The political representation has no power or say in anything the state does. This actually applies to all rural Colorado, not just the Northern counties. Colorado is already basically two states. Metro Denver - Boulder is one state and the remainder is another state.

clicre1 wrote:I love rural CO. But, come on folks - there are a lot more productive ways to addressing our problems than this bluster. To the leaders of this movement - how about using your voice for something substantive?!

What are productive alternative ways to address the problems? Denver has already demonstrated they will not listen to rural Colorado. Rural Colorado CAN survive without Metro Denver, we have water, agriculture, power...etc. Metro needs US, they just don't know it...yet.

Those pompous, arrogant that paint us as "crybabys", etc., most likely live in the metro area and are Democrats. Meanwhile, the new Statehood movement gets stronger and stronger every day. You don't realize just how angry rural Colorado is. I know it's a longshot, but there are many, many that are hoping beyond hope that this movement will succeed.

I live in Weld County and find this idea to be shameful. Colorado is my home, not Northern Colorado. I guarantee this does not have wide citizen support but is the result of legislators not getting thier way. We don't always get our way in life, but rather than give up and separate yourself, fight harder to make your voice heard. If somehow this goes through I, along with many others, will be leaving North Colorado for good.

sunmusing wrote:Did they test the water for stuff like lead? Or are they drinking the fracking fluid already? All I can say, I have disagreed many times with a republican majority but I believe in the United States...with all of the warts and scars...these folks are crybabies, and cowards.. there are other countries out there who would embrace their attitudes and welcome them in...Somalia comes to mind...

How would you like to live where your vote does not count for anything, the government that rules you does not listen to or care what you say? The political representation has no power or say in anything the state does. This actually applies to all rural Colorado, not just the Northern counties. Colorado is already basically two states. Metro Denver - Boulder is one state and the remainder is another state.

Yes, indeed, majority rule is a terrible thing.

That must be why the people who get the most votes get to run the government.

Government represents people, not sagebrush, not open range, and not cattle.

clicre1 wrote:I love rural CO. But, come on folks - there are a lot more productive ways to addressing our problems than this bluster. To the leaders of this movement - how about using your voice for something substantive?!

Most of our voices are no longer listened to by the political elite of both parties. Something has got to change, folks. And the idea that the "tigers" in office are going to change their "stripes", is not an idea that is based in reality.

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davem246 wrote:Denver has already demonstrated they will not listen to rural Colorado... Metro needs US, they just don't know it...yet...You don't realize just how angry rural Colorado is...Hickenlooper is the most divisive person in Colorado history...

The fact is in 2007, and the 8 years prior, colorado had a republican governor and a split house. 6 years later you're trying to succeed because you lost a couple elections due to your own incompetence to run a viable governor candidate and you're only a few seats away in congress.

Talk about a bunch of babies. You made your bed by having incompetent candidates, sleep in it until the Dems piss enough people off that it swings the other direction (my bet is they already have pissed enough people off and you're worrying about nothing.)

Can somebody tell me the top 5 issues that make rural Coloradans feel so alienated? I assume The mass of gun control bills is up there (rightfully so.) What else in particular has Hick done to piss people off. Slowing down fracking? ...

If all you liberal city folk honestly disdain these rural citizens as much as you show why don't you help them get out of your precious state/city and vote for this and push Colorado's Senators to support it also. If you don't it would appear to me that enjoy holding your liberal, welfare loving thumb over people and forcing your california-like will over the minority. Boy, the majority ruling with an iron fist over the minority sure sounds familiar.

i remember quite a few years back when denver used to complain that the rural parts of the state had too much power and denver was being mistreated- i wonder if gerrymandering is really the cause here- if more seats had a mix of urban, suburban and rural voters, maybe rural voters would have more power

Walleye.Warrior wrote:If all you liberal city folk honestly disdain these rural citizens as much as you show why don't you help them get out of your precious state/city and vote for this and push Colorado's Senators to support it also. If you don't it would appear to me that enjoy holding your liberal, welfare loving thumb over people and forcing your california-like will over the minority. Boy, the majority ruling with an iron fist over the minority sure sounds familiar.

I'd support them joining Kansas, Nebraska or Wyoming, all states which seem to more so represent their interests. But you're not getting two more red country US Senators.

clicre1 wrote:I love rural CO. But, come on folks - there are a lot more productive ways to addressing our problems than this bluster. To the leaders of this movement - how about using your voice for something substantive?!

Most of our voices are no longer listed to by the political elite of both parties. Something has got to change, folks. And the idea that the "tigers" in office are going to change their "stripes", is not an idea that is based in reality.

For once PhilLeshFan I actually agree with something you've written. See you at Red Rocks later this summer.

Apparently many of the posters have forgotten their US History. This same basic situation is what was occuring during the formation of the US. Namely, a smaller group of people (the colonists) were being ignored and taken advantage of by the larger majority. So in effect the colonists (who were English subjects, as the word 'colony' should make clear) said, "Since we have tried to rectify the situation by available political means, and since we have concluded that the majority is not responsive to our needs, we are going to form a new government. We will do our thing, and you will do your thing, and we wish you well."

Of course Britain could not accept this as it would diminish GB's power. It is similarly unlikely to think that our nation will accept it.

I don't particularly mind if a conservative block wants to separate and form their own state. I don't mind if a liberal block wants to separate and form their own state. Then each group can have it the way they want - liberals can pay 90% of their money to their "state" and have everything provided for them. Conservatives can pay 0% of their money to their "state" and be responsible for supplying all their own needs. Then we can see which area thrives. I certainly think it should be done with the greatest of caution, and I am not convinced it is the best idea in this case. In fact, I don't believe these counties - even if they get 20 counties together - have enough resources (in terms of people, land, etc) to actually form a viable state, but the argument should at least be heard and debated.

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