Hanna Rosin says we are witnessing the end of men! Oh yeah? How about we look at the facts?

Let’s get Hanna’s motivations clear right from the get-go, shall we? Hanna Rosin is not interested in equality. She is interested in dominance. Female dominance. Nothing more, and nothing less. From the author’s own website:

I come from a long line of matriarchs, women who either ruled over their husbands, or ran away from them. My mother is an intimidating figure. She has always served as the neighborhood watchdog, taking on bullies and running the co-op board with an iron fist. If you met her, it would be obvious why I was open to possibility of female dominance, because she embodied it long before it became the defining trend of our era.

Hanna acknowledges that female dominance is a central part of her understanding of how the world works, and that female dominance has become the defining trend of our era. Well, kudos to Hanna for at least being honest.

Hanna has been on a crusade to prove female dominance for some time now. In her original article, published at the Atlantic, she mused that “[f]or years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women?”.

What if female dominance is inevitable?

Her recent article at Time Magazine lays out five reasons men are slated to be the oppressed sex – five ways in which men are complete and utter failures:

Men are failing in the workplace

The traditional household is vanishing

Men are increasingly subjected to violence from female partners

Working and middle-class fathers have become non-existent

Men have become feminized

Let’s take these one by one.

Men are failing in the workplace?

And what workplace would that be? The one that keeps our infrastructure up and running?

Statistically speaking, 100% of power plant operators, distributors and dispatchers are men.

91% of the nation’s electrical engineers are men.

97.6% of electrical power line installers and maintenance workers are men.

95.5% of water and liquid waste treatment plant and system operators are men.

95.9% of aircraft pilots and flight engineers are men.

98.4% of aircraft mechanics and service technicians are men.

91.9% of computer network architects, who design and implement all our computer based communications systems are men.

94.2% of radio and telecommunications equipment installers and repair technicians are men.

93.4% of garbage collectors are men.

78.2% of all workers in production, transportation and material moving occupations are men

82.4% of all industrial production managers are men

97.5% of all extraction workers, providing the raw materials to run our economy are men

Transportation, energy, communications, water treatment, resource extraction and waste management. Those are the things that provide us with a little something called civilization as we know it, and they are overwhelmingly provided by men.

While it is true that the manufacturing sector has taken a hit in recent years, the United States remains the world’s largest manufacturer, with a 2009 industrial output of $2.33 trillion. Its manufacturing output is greater than Germany, France, India and Brazil combined.

But let’s blame men for that, shall we, Hanna? What women need is to be more dominant. To rule with an iron fist. Oh, except that women in traditional marriages are much happier.

Men are increasingly subject to violence from female partners?

It’s just sickening that Hanna sees this as a good thing. There is no question that it’s true, but how on earth can it ever be a net positive? Hanna links violence to women’s sexual confidence, which is deeply disturbing in and of itself.

Women are becoming more sexually confident, and something Camille Paglia has been waiting for, more aggressive and violent in both good ways and bad.

What Hanna is not taking into account is that women get away with hitting partners because the men are taking it. For now. How long does she expect that state of affairs to last?

It is a dangerous thing to create a society of angry men. Feminists have no idea what a can of worms they’ve created — and what it’s about to do to our nation.

Working and middle class fathers are becoming non-existent?

Again, it’s just sickening that Hanna thinks millions of children being raised without fathers is proof that women are dominant and men are obsolete. Children raised by single mothers do poorly on every imaginable scale. They have more emotional problems, experience more stress, are more likely to grow up poor, they have lower educational achievements and experience way more behavioral problems than children who grow up with married parents. Depression, suicide, drug abuse, jail and psychiatric medications are all more common in populations of children raised by single mothers.

The absence of fathers from the home is proof that women are stupid, heartless and profoundly unconcerned with their children’s well-being. If that’s dominance, I’ll pass, thanks.

Men are becoming feminized?

Which men?

64% of men do not wear any fragrance of any kind. Only 23% of men wear cologne daily. And cologne is hardly some arty-farty invention of middle class ladies.

It’s interesting that the lady list has only two things that could ostensibly be shared with a partner (concert tickets, chocolates), while the men’s list contains almost ALL shareable items. The preference for gambling, cars and sports doesn’t suggest the sissification of men to me.

Keep dreaming, Hanna. Men are becoming the gentle kittens you would like them to be? Don’t be fooled. Just because men can be and are very often gentle, kind and giving to women doesn’t mean they will always be that way.

Here’s an idea for you: let’s claim that men are obsolete and worthless, like a map of a flat earth or a woolly mammoth snare, completely ignore the fact that they run the entire economy and make possible every service industry by doing the hard, shitty work, slap the shit out of them at home, take their children from them and then call them sissies.

How long do you think it will take before you discover that men are not only far from obsolete, they are faster, bigger, smarter and stronger than you?

How long will it take before they decide they have had quite enough of your shit?

How long, Hanna, can you live without water, power, communications, transportation or sewage treatment?

Obsolete?

I don’t think so.

Obviously people want social calm, but if you do not let clever and ingenious people participate, there must be some dormant volcano that will erupt, sooner or later.

Lech Walesa

Hanna and her ilk think the revolution will be the triumph of feminism and the utter domination of women.

I’ll bet a penny if this monster has any boys she humiliates them in public, which means she hates them because they’re aren’t girls. She is a bad person, and does not deserve children.

zykos

She has a boy and a girl. I can’t find the video right now (much care must have been taken to take it down), but I remember this amateur footage of her, her husband and their two kids having a “debate” about whether girls or boys are better. It was sickening. She claims it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek and just play, but when it’s coming from the author of “The End of Men”, it’s just a bit more difficult to believe.

If memory serves, this is how it went: the daughter, who may have been around 10, argued all the usual feminist crap “girls can do everything boys can, AND have babies”. The boy, around 3 years younger, replied with “boys are faster, stronger, and smarter”. The husband, as beta as it gets, feels the need to tell his son that, no, men are not smarter, and that both Rosin and her daughter are right.

I can already see the son growing up with deep self-hatred, unable to connect with the opposite gender, and all-around miserable. Let’s hope he find the red pill on time, otherwise, it’s going to get ugly.

I don’t use words like Alpha and Beta. I use the words I grew up with, which are more accurate, anyway.

Her husband is a pussy and a wimp. And she’s a man-hating cunt.

zykos

You’ll get no argument from me on that assessment.

Cadders

Men are simply doing what men have always done. Survey their environment, understand it, and react rationally to it.

In the past men pushed themselves hard in the workplace, shouldered the burdens of the traditional family, responded to female violence with the same, entered into fatherhood and worked to live up to the ‘masculine’ expectations of society because they were incentivised and rewarded for doing so.

Not any more. Now men are more likely to be punished for them.

Incentives matter.

Men are not submitting.

They are walking away.

Jacob Ian Stalk

If you give a fool a microphone don’t be surprised when she uses it. Hanna Rosin has been given enough attention. Like most female supremacists, the only power she truly possesses is the power given to her by her audience and the demons within. When feminism collapses, Rosin’s microphone will return to being the hairbrush from whence it was imagined.

EB

To Bob… she actually has a young son. She dedicated her book to him… see this from the TIME article below….

“I dedicated my book to my son because he is one of those boys who gets in trouble a lot, who thinks the institutions are rigged against him. I see my job as accepting him as he is, and teaching him how to adapt to the world as it is.

When I think of the world after the end of men, I think of the world my son will inherit, where, if he chooses to take his kids to a playground at 3 in the afternoon on a Tuesday, no one will look at him funny, no one will wonder if he’s out of work, no one will think, “What a loser,” and no one will think he’s from Portland or Toronto, they will just walk on by and not think anything of it at all. He can be his own lovely obnoxious self and also be at home in a new world.”

Liz

No one thinks that about men who bring their kids to the playground at 3. Most people think, “Cool! what a great dad!” (no reason to conclude he is out of work, my husband took the kids to the playground at 3 all the time).
I know why her son gets in trouble a lot, and it has everything to do with her. None of my sons get into trouble a lot, and they’re all different personality types.

Liz

BTW, her son “thinks that institutions are rigged against him” because they ARE. And she is glad. What a c*nt.

Oscar calme

Your husbands experience certainly does not agree with mine. I established custody of my son at three and ran a regular gauntlet ranging from “I am a better Mother than you are a father” to the ubiquitous “Paedophile” from both men and women but predominantly women and with most vitriol from single months. Happened at least once a month so fairly regular

Liz

That sucks!
We’re a military family, that might make a large difference. But I’ve seen many fathers at the playground through the years (outside of the military base) and that wasn’t my experience there.

RS

I’m sorry your experience is like that. I have a couple of good friends who are stay-at-home dads and I know they have mostly received favorable reactions. But I live in California and people are generally too afraid to appear politically incorrect here (even if it means tolerance toward stay-at-home dads!) I hope that becomes the normal experience in the future.

Well, I seriously doubt that female dominance is a ‘solution’. I don’t want to live in a world of female dominance, ’cause I don’t want to be attacked by female supremacists who’ll try to impose ‘progressive’ laws and attitudes on me. Honestly, I would be doomed, as will be other female sexual minorities. vb. willing slaves and sex workers, stippers etc.. As I’ve said numerous times before, I would be more pleased if I found a man who’s willing to take care of me, then a bunch of female supremacists who say I have to contribute to a world of female dominance. Because I There would be as much as violence in this world, and maybe a different sort of violence. But anyway, VIOLENCE.
No situation will considered ‘perfect’ enough to live in. But it always strucks me funny that the women who complain the most are the ones living in the most ‘women-friendly’ societies. If there exists a ‘patriarchy’ in my area, I’m still happy to live in it 😉

EB

I believe it is in this TED talk that Rosin shows her family… Her son being shown exactly where he fits in the world according to Rosin… and her daughter.

Dormant volcanoes do that. Some, if they did, are said to be likely to “end the world as we know it.” All that needs happen is a trigger event. Roisin needs beware that some metaphors are not metaphors.

Rosin’s list isn’t a list of facts on the ground, as JB correctly notes, it’s a wish list. Rosin talks of the “rise of women” and the “end of men” but being the blind feminist she is, she fails to see what is actually happening.

Yes, men are being marginalized in our increasingly feminized society, but Cadders is quite correct to say that most men (excluding feminized white knights) aren’t submitting, they are walking away.

1. Men are failing in the workplace.

She writes: “As the manufacturing economy gets replaced by a service and information economy, men are failing to adjust” Well, no, they’re adjusting by cutting back on hours spent in a cube farm, preferring to focus on other pursuits, generally not around women. Rosin can’t see them, so they must not exist.

Then there’s “Now in every part of America young single women under 30 have a higher median income than young men…” Hold on a second, so there really isn’t a “wage gap”? Thanks, Hanna! I’ve bookmarked that one to trot out at the appropriate moment.

And finally, “Many boys start falling behind as early as first grade, and they fail to catch up. Many men, meanwhile, still see school as a waste of time, a girl thing. No, education has become feminized and boys aren’t falling behind, they’re being deliberately left behind. But they’re finally wising up that going into horrendous debt to obtain a worthless degree is indeed a waste of time. If girls want to be incredibly stupid in the belief that credentials equal intelligence and achievement, then perhaps they’re not succeeding at basic math as well as they thought.

2. It’s the end of men because the traditional household, propped up by the male breadwinner, is vanishing.

No, not quite. It’s not vanishing, it’s partly being taken away by women who realize they can hold on to a man’s resources without having to actually bother with the man (traditional breadwinner) and men are wising up and not marrying the shrews in the first place.

3. It’s the end of men because we can see it in the working and middle class.

Again, the blindness of feminism becomes clear. The slow disappearance of the working- and middle-class isn’t something to be celebrated. It leaves fatherless families to struggle and rely on the largess of the state at the lower end and is primarily responsible for the destruction of our economy in the middle parts. America flourished after World War II because it creates a healthy middle class which was the engine that drove our prosperity. “Investors” are not “job creators, they are gamblers. Consumers are job creators, and without a healthy middle class, there aren’t enough consumers to sustain a prosperous economy. Feminists have driven the men out and think it’s a good thing; I wonder what they’ll feel when the economy finally collapses entirely? But Rosin sums up their attitude entirely: “As many a woman told me, “He’d be just another mouth to feed.” So might as well kick him to the curb. What man would say this about a wife?

4. It’s the end of men because men have lost their monopoly on violence and aggression.

No, again, not really. Rosin says that “women are becoming more sexually confident” missing the second half of the equation that men are using that sexual confidence to satisfy their own needs without having to marry. As for violence, again she misses the point. Men haven’t lost any monopoly. As that great Venker quote sums it up: It’s dangerous to create a society of angry men. You just might find that monopoly can come back and bite your ass.

But two final sentences sum up the essential blindness of Hanna Rosin:

We don’t have to turn men into eunuchs. We can keep whatever we like about manhood but adjust the parts of the definition that are keeping men back.

Yeah, we don’t have to turn men into eunuchs, that’s just a pleasant side effect. We can keep what we like about manhood (from the article that’s not much) and adjust what’s holding men back (from becoming submissive, woman-like servants). How she’s going to achieve this, she gives no clue. I’ll be unicorns are involved.

Finally there’s this: “I dedicated my book to my son because he is one of those boys who gets in trouble a lot, who thinks the institutions are rigged against him. I see my job as accepting him as he is, and teaching him how to adapt to the world as it is.”

So, it sounds to me like the boy has already figured out that the game is rigged even with all the feminist brainwashing. But Rosin can’t get her little head around it. Maybe she has some maternal instincts after all, if she’s accepting him as he is. Send him here, Hanna, we’ll show him how to adapt to your brave new world without men…

Liz

Can you imagine what it’s like to be a boy raised in that home? Jesus. He is going to have problems for the rest of his life. If she thinks he gets into trouble a lot now, just wait. He isn’t even a teenager. He’ll be trying to drown out those bad childhood memories later in likely very self-destructive ways.

CitymanMichael

Women are and always have been better at some things than men. 4 c’s – Catering, Cleaning, Cooking, Communication(media). They are not better in any physical facet.

But the world has changed and women are now doing jobs which traditionally were men’s. And men are doing traditional women’s jobs – checkouts in supermarkets, for example.

Although women are reporting lower happiness rates, the world probably does in some ways run better – all people are probably better of in the modern world, not just because of technology, but also the impact of more working people.

But Roisin – no, there will never be the end of men. We will always be needed.

I think the point that men are “becoming feminized” stands in reference to the fact that masculinity has been banned (de facto if not de jure by human resource departments) in virtually all facets of public. This combined with incentives for men to “embrace their feminine side” and vice versa have skewed the norms of behavior.

Jessy can play with the soccer ball, the toy car or the Barbie (as long as it’s a non-body-shaming edition). But Billy! You put down that plastic gun this instant!

In school, Billy stares out the window because, like most young boys, he’d rather be building a fort of branches in the trees, fashioning sticks into play swords, looking at clouds and trying to determine what they resemble, and exploring where he’s never been before. Like most boys, he gets fidgety sitting around for long periods of time listening to his 2nd grade teacher babble incessantly about the toughness and ingenuity of frontier women. He’d rather be on the frontier, fixing wagons, shooting buffalo, riding a wagon.

You see, boys have to be encouraged not to do these things. Girls have to be encouraged to do them. They’re happy to talk with eachother, host tea parties with fascinating furred companions, “help” in the kitchen, and play-act how a house should be run with dolls and/or friends. There’s nothing wrong with this at all for either of them, but feminists insist that girls must be girls (or boys if they want) and boys must be something less.

I come from a long line of matriarchs, women who either ruled over their husbands, or ran away from them.

Yes, how very Strong and Independent of them… running away from problems. I wonder, exactly where did they run away to? Perhaps to social services? Maybe they joined the merchant marines, or the French Foreign Legion?

If a woman ever said this to me, she would cease being attractive to me, for eternity. You might as well put on a fat suit if this is how your conversations go, I’m not going to be interested in you.

Feminism is entitlement manifested to the extreme. Literally no accountability or responsibility. Rest assured, this delusion is validated and sustained by “academic” studies like “body diversity” and “male privilege.” In reality, the ultimate form of privilege is having no concern about finances – because the govt is there – no regard for morals or social courtesy, and no concern for the general well-being of society while pushing papers day in and out while a Latina chic raises your children.

The good news is, it forces men to either self-improve to the extreme – which benefits the good girls and rest of the world. The men and women who care will succeed, while the worthless losers will stay delusional cunts and manpussies, accomplishing nothing as their days number. True colors show clear as day.

Mike from the Pioneer Valley

JB’s data brings out the complexity of our current social arrangements, making any declarations about anyone’s “obsolescence” premature if they’re intended to be the last word. But the way I read Hanna’s thesis, her thrust is that it’s the herd male who is for all intents and purposes obsolete. That’s the average, working-stiff Joe Schmo male who, for centuries now, has been mopping up the residual charisma of the true champion males and trying to claim a champion’s prerogatives on the basis of distant relation. That male has been exposed as a dispossessed pretender, sore and seething, apparently, that today’s woman is too busy with her own life and goals to provide cover for his embarrassment.

And it wasn’t feminism or women that did him in, Rosin argues: it was progress, modernity, that made the herd male obsolete. It’s the same system that made him a herd male in the first place, that turned him into a cog, then a commodity and compensated him with a false sense of entitlement or accomplishment. Her argument, I think, is that the herd male is now paying a foreseeable price for his blind allegiance to a system whose true ethos—and trajectory—he never understood. If she’s right, then the herd men who’d be consoled (or lulled) by Judgy’s statistics are setting themselves up for a hard fall farther down the line.

CitymanMichael

Yes, if the feminisation of men continues, there MAY come a time when men as we understand them deplete.

But what about when the foreign hordes come? Anyone who believes that there will never be another world war – not the Iraq type, but the type where 2.5 million soldiers arrive on “our” shores – disregards human history.

Mike from the Pioneer Valley

Michael, I suppose that’s her subsidiary point: that “we” and “our” understanding of “men” are vanishing with the herd male. Our “understanding” is worse than extinct: it’s irrelevant. New definitions will replace it. And again, that’s not “feminism”; that’s the dynamism of a modern society.

Re: “the foreign hordes” I can’t imagine anyone having a good reason to send 2.5 million troops to the full-on dystopia the former US of A will probably be by your “when.” Reason or resources. They’ll probably come in canoes and collapse arm-sore on our garbage-crusted shores. Should be easy pickings for the drones and the 8-legged urban assault robots at that point, no?

I have to give Hannah Rosin for her stance on men and having the guts to say what she said about the goal being oppression of men. I don’t agree with her, but it is good for women in paternal families to see this and realize that feminism is not longer (or perhaps never was) about equality and that the destruction of their sons is planned.

robins111

I rather expect the feeble twits she surrounds herself with.. would prove her theory.. While any normal man would avoid her like the plague.

Akhi

Slamming…..
I have a message for People like Hanna…

“When the Man Automates, De-risks, Sanitizes and Beautifies a work stream/area then you come to conquer…. So stop this rant and create something that can run productively for society…. All these aspects about Children were the only responsibility that was expected of you…. And you have deranged entire generations of females by your “All Rights and No Duties” memes…..

Taylor

Working women are not neglecting their families. That’s just as ridiculous as the stuff Ms. Rosin is claiming. Also any parent who is no longer with their child’s other parent is a single parent.

Atrocious. Rosin would make a good Bolshevik. Actually, it doesn’t take much imagination to picture her as a prison camp guard. I normally don’t advocate violence against women, but in her case (and her beta-boy husband’s) I would make an exception.

For a lot of women like Rosin, the men who perform these essential roles are invisible. They simply don’t register as human beings. It’s a class thing. Added to which, consider Rosin’s tribe and its historical attitude towards the “cattle”.

She does have a point, however, in that men are being “feminized”. I’ve observed this in my own dealings with other men, especially the younger ones. Whether this is a result of feminist education, anti-masculine propaganda, environmental factors, lower T-levels, culture, or a combination, who knows. But I think it’s happening.

Eric

“Added to which, consider Rosin’s tribe and its historical attitude towards the “cattle”.”

What tribe is that? And is Rosin exempting the men of her tribe from cattle status?

gwallan

Clearly not if her persistent abuse of her own son is any indication.

Eric

JB: “And what workplace would that be? The one that keeps our infrastructure up and running?”

I don’t believe Rosin overlooks or discounts the areas you listed. She simply takes infrastructure for granted as legally/civically guaranteed, enforced, funded, and organized by the State and subservient to the higher-order social-economic strata she claims for women.

I think you might mean 71.6% of servers are women. All waitresses are women. All waiters are men.

Yes, I’m being that guy. Sorry.

RedPillOverdose

How many feminists does it take to try and replace a light bulb….12
One to try and replace it, but then scream about fat shaming when her fat ass can’t climb the ladder.
One to criminalize men for creating the need for light.
One to blame men for manufacturing a faulty means of illumination.
One to suggest that “screwing in “the bulb contributes to rape culture and one in four light bulbs will be blown and screwed without the light bulbs consent in its lifetime. All light bulb screwing is rape!
One to proclaim the bulb is too phallic and is part of the patriarchy
One to proclaim its men’s own fault there are no good men left around to change light bulbs.
One to say too many men have already changed light bulbs so let’s break the glass ceiling by giving women the opportunity.
One to blame men for developing a patriarchal society that discourages women from “leaning in” to climb the step ladder to take charge of bulb replacement.
One to blame men for the society where women have already replaced too many light bulbs.
One to hold a demonstration advocating that women changing light bulbs should have wage equality with male electricians.
One to let the media know that women are now out doing men replacing light bulbs.
One to simply blog, take photos and webcast about how men are no longer necessary for changing light bulbs.
No light bulb ever got changed……And Hanna Rosin can gently fuck herself with a cactus!

You left out one vital area of male spending: guns, ammunition and combat / tactical equipment.

notquitehumbert

I don’t know, JB—I read Rosin as making all the arguments the MRA have been making, just sugarcoated for the benefit of her rich female audience.

If you’re a smart or well-connected man who can do something women can’t do and that can’t be outsourced to the Third World, you’ll be in clover. Investment bankers and designers of robots will have their pick of jobs and of women, come what may. Such men have not only not opposed but embraced feminism, which has helped knock down their wage bills and living expenses nicely.

If you’re a guy with only an average IQ and can’t do much a Mexican won’t do for a fraction of the cost (plus tips in kind from grateful and lonely single white females, if you know what I mean), you’re in trouble.

Even Rosin admits to being worried about what to do with all those poor men of all races unemployable for anything but drug dealing and other crime. She should be.

Women can share their handbags with men; they let us hold their handbags when they need to look at some shoes in the store!

Also, women can carry stuff for men in their giant handbags when men don’t have room for cell phones/keys in men’s pockets! That is, when women feel like an extra few ounces in the 5lb bag won’t be an imposition, or when women aren’t asking men to carry women’s stuff in men’s pockets because the bag didn’t match the woman’s outfit!

Remo

she mused that “[f]or years, women’s progress has been cast as a struggle for equality. But what if equality isn’t the end point? What if modern, postindustrial society is simply better suited to women?”

And you can’t hold back progress right? And that modern postindustrial society that allows you to stand on the shoulders of giants and feel tall is going to be around for ever, buoying you up, with never a complaint, and never shrugging lest you fall correct cupcake?

I’m sure the enlightened, modern, feminized women of Rome felt the same way right up until the dark ages. Oops. Seems you can roll back the clock. Women may indeed be suited to the current insane paradigm we embrace today of debt fueled consumption, affirmative action hiring (with no regard for skills just politically correct gender), complete supremacy of women when it comes to all matters concerning charity, the law, and basic human rights, mass enslavement of men for the benefit of ungrateful women, etc. Then the lights go out. Or the checks to the local police start to bounce. Or the government declares a bank holiday and you’re savings are gone and the stores shelves are empty. Who pray tell will fetch your latte then hmm?

I do concur that the current society is better suited to women. I also observe that the society is currently dying, drowning in debt, and cannot possibly continue. It is the height of arrogance for her or anyone to believe that what comes out of the aftermath (following a likely intense period of chaos and violence) will be “better suited” to her selfish desires. Personally when the apple finally drops on this one – if I see this beast or ones like her in the street she will get a fine, thorough lesson as to the superiority of men. And its starting now – all to the good… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qD6uUjCBg

Liz

Thought I’d add a link to this thought provoking post over at Sarah Hoyt’s site here:http://accordingtohoyt.com/2014/01/15/you-are-not-useless/
Entitled ‘You are NOT useless’ and describes her treatment as a stay at home wife and mother with pneumonia, under the care of doctors. It’s chilling, and really brings home the open disparagement our current society has towards women who stay at home with children. And in this case, defering to her husband’s judgement saved her life.

To make things clear, they wanted to do a biopsy (I had atypical intercellular pneumonia, but it was pneumonia and it reacted well to IV antibiotics the first two days, but then the doctors got fascinated with the fact that it was unusual. I don’t honestly know if this was made worse by my having an accent) not to euthanize me. However, as weakened as I was, my sister in law in Portugal (who is a medical doctor and whom my husband was speaking to on the phone sometimes three times a day) thought there was a good chance even a biopsy would kill me. And the doctors weren’t reinstating the antibiotic, even though I’d reacted well to it the first two days. Instead, as I refused the biopsy, they tried to convince me by pointing out even if I died it would be better for my family. After all, what was I doing for them? I didn’t even make any money, and my husband was missing days of work to be with me in the hospital.

When they convinced me to sign the authorization, while I was groggy from a laparoscopy (I think. Whatever it is when they put a tube down your throat) which had caused a heart episode (I told them that if I was tachycardic it would be a really stupid idea give me atropine, but they told me not to worry my pretty head about it), my husband came back in time to revoke it and tell them he would sue them if they carried it on under the circumstances. And then he told me to get up and get dressed, we were going to the other hospital in town, where they might give me the antibiotic and stop the nonsense.

This is where the fact that, by choice, I promised to obey him in my wedding vows comes in. (I did this because we’re both very hard headed and every association needs an ultimate boss. Since we were moving to his country, where he knew the rules better, he was better suited to be the ultimate boss. Oh, and you should have heard the hush that fell on the wedding guests when they heard me promise that.) I thought he was out of his mind, and I was hooked to oxygen and IV feeding, and the last thing I thought I could do was get up. But I’d promised to obey my husband, and he was giving me a direct order, for the first (and last, he knows better than to abuse it) time. So I sat up, removed the stuff I was attached to, got up and went towards the locker with my clothes. At which point the doctor screamed “Stop, we’ll give her antibiotics.”

Liz

So on the above note, Hanna isn’t working toward a world that will enable her son to walk his children to the park, she’s working toward a world where everyone who doesn’t put their kids in a kiddy kennel and go to work for the state instead of family is considered equally worthless.

The only reason every woman on Earth isn’t chained to a radiator and used as a sex slave is because men haven’t gotten it in their minds to do so. There are reasons for this. A careful study of gender (as opposed to what we call “gender studies”) would cause any intelligent person to realize that women have power, and always will, because men love them and value them, and FOR NO OTHER REASON AT ALL.

Jim

“The only reason every woman on Earth isn’t chained to a radiator and used as a sex slave is because men haven’t gotten it in their minds to do so.”

This.^^ If men were so evil then what Goober said above would be the NORM everywhere. No, instead we do our best to protect our women (most of us anyway). But I have to tell you that women are foolishly pissing off A LOT of men. But even then most are reacting simply by walking away from them. Now, if women then make that impossible then what happens? Women, don’t be stupid and piss that away.