Triple-S wrote:If I were Penn State I'd seriously debate cancelling the season at this point.

I think something should be done that represents an appropriate level of shame for PSU. Short of canceling the football program altogether, I don't know what that is, though.

Firing Paterno yesterday--rather than allowing him to resign--would have been a good start. Publicly condemning his (alleged) behavior is called for as well. Anything less, IMO, is offensively tame.

Well and even as a nittany lion fan, how could you even attend this weekends game and not feel the dark cloud of shame above the university and the program atm.

If I was a PSU student/alum/fan I'd be desperately trying to see if theres anything that we as fans can do to help the victims out in any sort of means neccessary, after the dust settles of course.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

danwismar wrote:of course LP is being facetious... JP couldn't have been so old or senile not to know what this was...and how unspeakably criminal it was

sorry, but reporting it to your AD is not enough. This was child rape, with at least one very credible eye-witness. Paterno knew about it, and if after several weeks...months...years?...and nothing was ever done about Sandusky, it was criminal for anyone who knew not to blow the whistle on him. How could they have given him locker room/facility access after what had been witnessed previously?

In regards to Paterno (or anyone outside of the victims and eye witnesses) and him going to say LE I think people are forgetting something: in situations like this unless you are A) the victim B) an eye witness to the despicable act or C) the parents of the victim...going to the police is as close to moot as it gets b/c the police are not obligated to act upon that type of report from somebody that is not an A B or C. It sounds kind of fucked up but that is how it works the vast vast majority of the time. Sure trying doesn't hurt, and you'd think most would, but contacting the parents is probably the best thing. However like JB already said misguided...errr fucked up loyalty and morals got in the way in this instance.

McQueary walked in on that 4 years after police had investigated another incident. You go to the police when you witness a rape, dude. No question about it.

20 yr old girl with him in the shower and maybe (MAYBE)there's pause for cause. Who knows what's consensual and guess context is everything. 10 yr old boy being anally raped/penetrated by a 60yr old man? Are you fucking kidding me Donny?

Right, that is exactly what I said.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

Triple-S wrote:Well and even as a nittany lion fan, how could you even attend this weekends game and not feel the dark cloud of shame above the university and the program atm.

If I was a PSU student/alum/fan I'd be desperately trying to see if theres anything that we as fans can do to help the victims out in any sort of means neccessary, after the dust settles of course.

Please. The fans don't care other than how they are now perceived as a fan base and whether they can win the division/will recruiting take a hit. The players give less of a shit about what's (to them) ancient history.

And the victims don't give a shit about any of it now that decades have passed and their lives and relationships from that day forward were ripped from them.

They need to burn down the football offices and the university presidents office, rebuild them on the other side of the campus and try to reinvent the team.

Change the name, colors, uniforms, etc.

Read that Grantland piece I linked. Go talk to Ryan Jones on Twitter....

The alumni cannot even stand to think about football right now, let alone view the university in any light outside of shame and disgust. I can't even imagine how sick the players have to be.

Great post.

I struggle to see PSU recover from this in the short term. The healing will be long and pretty painful.

And the school itself should be tracking down every single person this freak did this to and pay them. It won't heal what happened to them, but at least it's something that could be done.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

It's disgusting and deplorable for sure. Guy on white horse rides, tells him he loves them and their tradition and, while he can never take away the scar, he'll give them years of dermabrasion to make it look okay.

Mark it down, the stink is with the outgoing pedophiles and enablers. I don't see much other than the 'camelot' thing taking a permanent hit getting in the way of winning. They ain't losing scollies or bowl games IMO.

Alumni are parents and when your school ran a multi-level cover up for a rapist shit like that will effect you.

The Miami alumni don't care.

The PSU alumni just had their realities destroyed.

I'd like to think that any school's alumni would be deeply embarrassed by a connection to a university that's guilty of what PSU is guilty of. The Miami stuff is so far from comparing to this, I don't think it's right to assume they'd react otherwise.

If it was my school, I'd be writing letters calling for the university to cancel the football program, because clearly they can't handle having one.

Had the chance to run out to lunch and catch Matt Millen (wing day at BW) . Not only is he a former captain and all time great, but he's on the BoD for 2nd Mile. The man is absolutely distraught to the point of being perklempt on set. I thought he was going to smash it all up while crying. Powerful stuff and not fake at all. Essentially, he's channeling Arrington but up a notch. You know, forget penn state, forget football, what about man's humanity to man? Really let down by Sandusky but not questioning the victims or minimalizing like some PSU fans were up until todays feeding frenzy seems to have steamrolled them. So with that said, I agree with him.

But, uh, when will it be not-too-soon to say that the Urban Meyer succession rumors to Happy valley are DOA ? I know today is not that day, but i was just wondering as the termially shitty human being I am about that...

It's disgusting and deplorable for sure. Guy on white horse rides, tells him he loves them and their tradition and, while he can never take away the scar, he'll give them years of dermabrasion to make it look okay.

Mark it down, the stink is with the outgoing pedophiles and enablers. I don't see much other than the 'camelot' thing taking a permanent hit getting in the way of winning. They ain't losing scollies or bowl games IMO.

I can't see it Peeker. This thing is too evil. Too smelly. Not even Carman Policy could spin it. I expect a credible call to cancel the season next year. I expect no network TV. This is unique. It does guarantee that there will be no internal succession.

Absolutely, and "taking a shot" might even be too kind. I'm a huge college sports honk but if I went to PSU, I don't think I could ever give them another dime even after a total housecleaning. This is so unprecedented, I don't see how any big name coach goes near it. Lee's Brady Hoke comparison also may have been too kind. My Michigan bias aside, Hoke was at least an up and comer who had coveted the job for years and that some other BCS schools had also looked at. This has to be the worst situation since Marshall's plane crash in 1970. OSU's minor scholarship reductions are nothing in comparison.

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor

peeker643 wrote:My fault. I thought you were generalizing. I'd still disagree that Paterno shouldn't have done. Fuck, he could have done it anonymously if he lacked the balls.

And by the way, Paterno may have fucked OSU as well when all is said and done. Urban Meyer has always held that job in high regard and it was going to be a house cleaning when he got in anyway.

His price just went up, if nothing else.

No biggie.

IMO a JoPa can probably do such in private with one of the higher ups in the local LE and get somebody to look into something. It works that way for other big shots in society so I would guess he too has that kind of pull. My point was in general it isn't even remotely close as to that simple though.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

That's why they should cancel the games. For the school to play the games like nothing is wrong is...... hideous. The crimes are so revolting people might need to take a step back and process what has and is going on.

I think they can continue the games if everyone involved or suspected of involvement is gone. It's a bad situation but I can't see how you hold it against the kids playing there now, that are a win or two away from going to the 1st B10CG.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

jb wrote:Had the chance to run out to lunch and catch Matt Millen (wing day at BW) . Not only is he a former captain and all time great, but he's on the BoD for 2nd Mile. The man is absolutely distraught to the point of being perklempt on set. I thought he was going to smash it all up while crying. Powerful stuff and not fake at all. Essentially, he's channeling Arrington but up a notch. You know, forget penn state, forget football, what about man's humanity to man? Really let down by Sandusky but not questioning the victims or minimalizing like some PSU fans were up until todays feeding frenzy seems to have steamrolled them. So with that said, I agree with him.

But, uh, when will it be not-too-soon to say that the Urban Meyer succession rumors to Happy valley are DOA ? I know today is not that day, but i was just wondering as the termially shitty human being I am about that...

One of the guys I converse about hoops with (SLAM's former editor) is a huge PSU guy. Still emotionally married to the place.

Said he teared up three times this weekend. Once when his kid rode on his bike for the first time, the other two, well... they weren't as positive.

When I initially asked him his feelings on it guy couldn't even get anything out beyond "nothing I can say publicly"

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:That's why they should cancel the games. For the school to play the games like nothing is wrong is...... hideous. The crimes are so revolting people might need to take a step back and process what has and is going on.

I partially agree. Also don't believe in punishing the innocent.

But if they let Paterno lead the team out on the field, or McQuery on the sidelines, they are morally bankrupt.

The strangest aspect of all of this is the the PSU alumni that thought they could land Urban thought that the clean nature of the program would be their biggest selling point, as allegedly Urban hated the dirty aspect of the SEC.

Not just in football terms, but this University is in so much legal and liable trouble that if this were my school, I would absolutely have a hard time ever associating with them again. Regardless of whether you fire the AD, President, the whole staff...it would not matter one bit to me. To sit on sexual abuse of a minor on a large University institution, every assault that happened afterwards is a massive ticking cash timebomb when they get sued. And that's before the cops start digging and likely figure out why Sandusky, the heir apparent to JoePa, all of a sudden hung it in the late 90s. You can't tell me these "allegations" didn't play into this.

I can't think of a worse thing that could happen to my University program than this right here. PSU knew about an investigation as far back as April yet this deviant was still visiting the campus!? This U is screwed and deserve to be...and this is from someone who has long admired the program.

danwismar wrote:Agree with eO and JB on this. The Penn State job is radioactive, and will be for a while.

It will be interesting to see the attendance at this week's game, let alone the emotional state of the players.

Christ. I must be emotionally dead.

But...

I am certain college athletics is morally bankrupt and emotionally dead so I'm still saying what I said earlier.

It's not minimizing what happened y'all. You know that. It's really more of a reflection of just what little faith I have in that humanity of humanity thing JB referenced earlier.

Shame is different than sorrow/remorse. Happy Ending Valley feels shame today. Not really sure if anyone is actually sorry or remorseful.

Peeker - I can meet you close enough to say that the half-life of the radioactivity will be shorter than we might imagine. Money does that. And to be fair, it is a great University and this is but one monster and a few of his butt buddies circling the wagons. But they will take a hit. Recruit tweets are already starting. For thet reason alone, the transition will be so chaotic it'll make Michigan's that netted DickRod look like Schellenbereger to Jimmuh.

"Paterno will be offered a generous retirement package from the school in exchange for agreeing to never discuss the situation regarding Sandusky with anyone other than the authorities. As it stands now, Penn State President Spanier will hold a press conference on Thursday to announce the decision of Paterno to ‘step down’ effective immediately. We are told that Paterno will not attend the press conference at request of the school."

"Paterno will be offered a generous retirement package from the school in exchange for agreeing to never discuss the situation regarding Sandusky with anyone other than the authorities. As it stands now, Penn State President Spanier will hold a press conference on Thursday to announce the decision of Paterno to ‘step down’ effective immediately. We are told that Paterno will not attend the press conference at request of the school."

Ton of great takes, I wanted to throw my 2 cents in. In agreement with JB, eye and many others on the overall severity of this.

Work with a Penn State grad here and he is floored.

Took back every thing he ever said about Tressel and OSU's recent issues. Acknowledged it isn't even in the same galaxy. He's completely ashamed. Even found him to be mad at the likes of Greenberg and the media types that are trying to downplay or take the "legal" defense of JoePa. Have to admit I was a bit surprised.

Then I read a couple sentences of the details and I cannot shake the disgust from my mind. Everyone needs to go. It is going to have major damage to the program but deep down this transcends any SMU, any UM, any OSU, any USC. This is children. This is youth camps. This is a group of men that conciously decided to suspend all their moral and human feelings and swept it under the rug to save a fuckin pervert. I'm not a fan of JoePa at all, similar to some others on here. Heard enough stories from friends and thru coaching circles to discount nearly every accomplishment he's had over the past 20 years but this is a borderline legacy killer. Maybe that's just my opinion and not shared by the majority but knowing what he means to that university, area and so many people. It's not even remotely on par with the Tressel admiration. JoePa was a deity. And now, he's gone and I just don't see how time heals these types of wounds.

Having grown up a Catholic and gone thru how all that has transpired over the years, I think I feel even more disgusted. I haven't set foot in a Catholic mass since I was old enough to truly comprehend and my parents have never questioned my decision. If I were a PSU grad, I can honestly say I would probably never root for them again. Being aware of that historic comp, it is just something that resonates that strongly with me.

As for the program, I think this is devastating in the sense of the court of public opinion. PSU is not getting Urban Meyer. We can put that to rest. For all his faults, Urban is a devoted family that will never entertain any notion of following such a mess. Throw in that I don't think the PSU boosters are going to approach any coach with the same vigor many thought recently. This job has become a job someone wants after the first predecessor. They also are going to have a TON of issues raising money over the coming years and I think you have to appreciate that this will leave a short-term imprint on recruits and parents that will be difficult to overcome in the next couple of years. Sooner or later it will rebound, but as some pieces have already reflected, to many PSU alumni their innocence is forever gone.

You can escape JoePa shitting his pants during a game. They will never be able to escape JoePa and seemingly their entire organization neglecting 40 counts of pedophlia. Ever.

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle