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This here by calls to meeting the sad fact that most INFP males and myself....are most of the time...stuck in the friendzone...

any advice, comments, help?

EDIT: this happens almost always with SJs but even when i meet an NF, im still just relegated to being Leelas Fry (futurama)...

EDIT2: if we could possibly hear some success stories here? ( i actually didnt create this thread with one particular girl in mind).or tips on how to not ever end up there in the first place? (usaully i get, be more direct, indicate more sexual interest earlier....but i dont want to be an ESTP!!!)

I'm captain of the friend zone. I do hold back when it comes to meeting girls... or when I'm around people. I like to test the waters and make sure anyone is up for listening to what I have to say. I guess one can assume it's kind of like a test, but I generally go easy on people.

I TOTALLY agree. A lot of the girls I hang out just see me as 'average', and a lot of people fail to look deep. I hate to say it, but I get the impression that people, more so my age, don't understand me, and they give up there. I do have friends, and a few of them know me for who I truly am. It really frustrates me though, how shallow a lot of people are..and they leave it at that. Whatever, though I'm young, I'll find a nice place somewhere in my adventures.

It is my belief that INFp/j get stuck in the friend zone because they aren't forward enough, fast enough.

In my experience they don't express interest until it's far too late. This one INFP was really interested in me, and I actually really fancied him too. He had zero confidence that a girl like me would ever look at a guy like him though, so he didn't express anything but friendly interest.

By the time he did express interest, he had become too much of a close friend and confidante, and I no longer felt the attraction necessary to take it further.

I'm not saying you need to leap at her first time, but don't wait for months before saying that you would like to go on a date.

It is my belief that INFp/j get stuck in the friend zone because they aren't forward enough, fast enough.

Hah! Story of my life for the first 21 years! A girl would crush on me (and I'd often notice it), but until I got to know her better and feel safe around her I couldn't bring myself to make a move. By that time she put me into the friend zone so when I started to make a move it was clear my chance had passed.

To fix that I finally had to give my permission to simply 'date' her, and that I didn't need to be falling madly in love with her to have permission to kiss her.