Driving People Crazy with Simple Facts for Fun and Profit

Welcome — to Unamusement Park’s Center for Research On Craziness Occasioned by Pointed Observations of a Racial Nature and Its Practical Uses and Benefits: the newly operational C.R.O.C.O.P.O.R.N.I.P.U.B., funded by your generous donations to the Carlyle Club and bearing no relation whatsoever to the erotic herpetology drinking establishment “Croco-Porno-Pub,” which is sixty miles west of here along Route 302 and should never under any circumstances be visited by any persons, for any reason, living or dead.

This is where top ‘Park scientists study just how crazy they can drive otherwise quite reasonable people simply by stating politically inconvenient (“incorrect”) facts.

On your left you can see the Trayvon Testing Range, which — obviously — we’ve filled with Skittles and “white”-Hispanic Neighborhood Watch volunteers.

[Automatic gunfire.]

What’s that? Yes, a volatile combination indeed! Well spotted. And on your right you’ll see the Simulated Social Sciences Department, where the boys down in R&D have got us fixed up with no less than six life-size models of early 21st century American social science professors for us to work on. Of course, we’ll be staying back here, at a safe distance, — yes, you’ll want to keep those goggles on, ma’am, — but trained professionals from our own private paramilitary force are hard at work delivering our custom-crafted lines at close range. Let’s listen in:

Hate Cadet unj: I have learned many things. Here, they are on this… poster board I have prepared:

Anyone who says “black people are more criminal than white people” is a “racist” because that is a “racist” “lie.”

Everyone already knows that black people are more criminal than white people, so the only reason to state this commonplace truth is that you are a “racist.”

Anyone who says “black people are more criminal than white people” and then immediately calls someone else a “racist” for saying the same thing is exempt from being called a “racist.”

Classifying people as white or black for the purpose of calculating crime rates is “racist.”

Classifying people as white or black for the purpose of calculating poverty rates is the opposite of “racist.”

It is “racist” to assert that numbers like 13 and 4.6 are “way higher” than “only” 2.7.

If you say something that is similar to some other, never explicitly stated thing, which — you are told — has been said before on Free Republic, then what you said is “racist.”

In spite or perhaps because of Findings 1 through 7, “racist” is still a meaningful word with a real definition that can and should be used to shut down any and all discussions of race that stray from blaming everything bad in human history on white people, if indeed they deserve to be called people.

Black people can do literally anything, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all, and it is either (a) bad, and therefore caused by slavery, or (b) not so bad, and therefore proof that black people have never done anything bad ever.

The typical criminal in 21st century America is a rascally bread-pilfering urchin out of a Charles Dickens book or perhaps Les Misérables, except slightly more pathetically angelic on account of being black.

The best way to understand race relations in contemporary American society is to believe everything a black academic says, unless it’s Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams.

The best way to understand race relations in contemporary American society is to live in the suburbs surrounded by white people.

The best way to understand race relations in contemporary American society is to scream “Racist!” as loud as you can, hoping to fit in.

When someone says something which is arguably or even plainly true, “Simply wrong” is a sufficient rebuttal. “Straw man” or “Non-sequitur” will also suffice.

A phrase like “logically correct in the assumptions it makes in its data” is totally meaningful and definitely not just a hash of vaguely intelligent-sounding words thrown together to make the author sound smart to lazy, careless and/or dim-witted readers.

Words like “logic,” “assumption,” “data,” “bias,” “factual,” “statistic,” “misleading” and “socio-economic” can pretty much be inserted into a sentence at random, making that sentence 80 to 100 percent more convincing to lazy, careless and/or dim-witted readers, and this is entirely intellectually honest.

Despite the alleged existence of African albinos and non-Hispanic Arabs, “race” is logically, semantically and biologically equivalent to skin color.

Your skin color cannot make you more criminal, but it can make you more “racist.”

Black people are not more criminal than white people.

Black people are obviously more criminal than white people.

The notion that black people could be more criminal than white people is so preposterous and bizarre that anyone who says it must be insane or evil.

Black people are identical to white people and therefore, logically speaking, must have an identical crime rate.

Black people are identical to white people except that white people are “racist” and therefore, ethically speaking, black people are entitled to be more criminal, which they either (a) are, (b) aren’t, (c) “Racist!” or (d) all of the above.

If the conclusion upsets you, you don’t have to look at the data if you don’t feel like it. After all, it’s probably “racist.”

If the conclusion upsets you, you must never look at the data. After all, etc.

If you don’t understand how to get from the raw data to the conclusion, you don’t have to ask, because the problem isn’t you; it’s “racism.”

If you don’t understand how to get from the raw data to the conclusion, you must never ask, because etc.

Poverty causes rape. Unemployment causes arson.

Slavery causes rape. Segregation causes arson.

When in doubt, shout “racist” and run. This rule supersedes all other rules.

Dr. Park: So there you have it. We learned several interesting things today.

Bonjour, Unamused. I’ve been away from the internet for many months, so I just discovered ‘Radish’ — outstanding work. There is no doubt some Nazi gold floating around here in the French hinterland, next payday I’ll round some up and send it over the pond. Until then, happy belated Bastille Day.

I’m simply asking you, Unamused. Do you live in a suburban bubble, writing racist things about black people out of fear of the unknown? Or do you live near them, and experience what they have to go through?

I don’t fear the unknown. If I fear anything, it is what I know very well.

“what they have to go through… the racism and prejucide that they have to endure…” — I’m sure it’s just awful, for as we all know, America is currently a hybrid of Victorian England and Nazi Germany, with hordes of pure-blooded Aryan Dukes and Duchesses cruising the streets in gold-plated Mercedes, crushing the poor and genetically inferior beneath their merciless wheels. Or is that not the situation out there? How do you know it’s not?

Psychomelosopher, your suggestion that Unamused (or any other “racist”) become a statistic to satisfy your demand for “real-life experience” is sick.

Have YOU got any “real-life experience” living in the ghettos (e.g. not Corktown, Indian Village, etc.) of Detroit? No? Then shut up. Yes, but had your stuff stolen and personally threatened? Why should anyone want to repeat your experiment?

What Black people suffer from isn’t “racism”, it’s the absence of social capital and outright criminality of other Blacks. They are not owed what they cannot create.

Yes. I grew up in a segregated apartment in Chicago. Then I moved to Buffalo when I was seven, in 1965. I went to a school where I was one of three white kids – virtually everyone else was a black kid from the ghetto. Naturally, I was beaten up routinely.

Know what?

I didn’t become a racist.

I’m not making excuses for the behavior of the kids I went to school with, but I did experience what black people have to endure. I lived right on the edge of the ghetto. I saw the horrible poverty and racism. YOU haven’t.

You just make excuses for racists. Black racists. Blacks who will not treat Whites the way (they claim) they want to be treated.

If you lack the intelligence to understand this, you either need to be (a) reprogrammed by any means necessary, including physical torture, or (b) killed. Because you are not bright enough to understand the truth by yourself.

Subject 4 tried to eat his own face again when I mentioned the flier. We’re almost out of thorazine. Please advise.

Well, why not actually meet some more blacks? Spend time living in their communities?

In the Army, non-commissioned officers have near-total control over private soldiers. They can dictate what you do on or off duty. Blacks are over-represented in the military for various reasons. If you want to truly understand black character, try being a Caucasian private soldier with one or more black NCO’s. Observe how they behave with that level of power.

What Psycho is pushing is Contact Theory, which was shredded long ago. Contact Theory is interesting in that it is a perfect inversion of reality. Other than that, Psycho is a testament to the power of conditioning. He (she? it?) is the reason I tell WN’s not to worry about the majority of whites waking up. Many of them have been broken as a cowboy breaks a horse, and they needn’t trouble your thoughts.

I didn’t “like it” then and I don’t now. It was mean of them to act that way. BUT, I understand it in the historical context of white privilege and white oppression. Doesn’t mean I think it was justified.

(By the way, I like how you say (seriously) that I should be tortured. The only thing I’m guilty of is disagreeing with you.)

Unamused, here is what I mean by racist. NOT the belief that black people have average IQs of 85 and yadda yadda yadda – but the belief that traits like that fully explain black people’s poverty. All non-racists should concede an independent effect of white racism and white privilege. For example, black people are no more likely to use marijuana than whites, but greatly more likely to be incarcerated for the same. Black people have much lower net worth than white people, even those who have the same income.

Anyway – even if you understand the statistics, can you really make pronouncements about a group of people you’ve never met and never seen?

Hey kid, where the fuck are you getting this idea that we’ve “never met and never seen” blacks? Most people come to websites like this when they’ve seen too much of blacks.

Of course, you’re more than comfortable making sweeping pronouncements about whites (white racism, white privilege, most whites are racist…), and that gives the game away. Your points are being dismissed because they’re so obviously motivated by self-hatred, and your intellectual-sounding sophistry is something we’ve all encountered before.

Honestly, what is it you hope to accomplish here?

By the way, I like how you say (seriously) that I should be tortured. The only thing I’m guilty of is disagreeing with you.

You’re guilty of spreading lies that put whites in danger (remember the white mother who didn’t avoid a buck because she “didn’t want to appear racist” and got raped in front of her child? Or the kids in Wichita who gave a couple of bucks the benefit of the doubt and spent the night getting raped and butchered?). You speak the insidious language of DWL vermin and deserve whatever happens to you.

I have not just posts, but entire categories of posts — like ‘Black & Hispanic Crime Statistics’ and ‘White Privilege?’ — devoted to debunking your “historical context of white privilege and white oppression,” and notions like “black people are no more likely to use marijuana than whites, but greatly more likely to be incarcerated for the same.”

All I see in the way of “debunking”, is the claim that the criminal justice system is racist when it comes to violent crime, the kind reported on the NCVS. Cops have more authority when it comes to marijuana arrests. You don’t address nonviolent crime like these.

OK, drug arrests: what “anti-racists” bring up when they realize they’ve lost the debate on violent crime arrests. Blacks use drugs at way higher rates than whites; we know this from emergency room admissions for overdoses. However, people like you, who for some reason want to believe that blacks do not do this, in spite of the fact that everyone knows they do, will cite studies of self-reported drug use (for, say, marijuana). However, according to the Office of Applied Studies (OAS) of the US Department of Health and Human Services, blacks “significantly underreport” drug use, which has “important implications [for] racial/ethnic comparisons.” (See here and here.)

OK. Maybe you’re right about all the statistics….but still: you’ve admitted you live in a bubble. So why not go out? Meet some more black people? You don’t have to put yourself in danger, or go directly into the heart of the ghetto. But volunteer to teach some poor black kids, say. If you can’t do that, why should we trust a word you say?

You think you know. But you don’t. You just sit on the computer, reading and writing racist crap, but you don’t have enough real-world experience.

I wonder Psychobabble: Are you gay?Are you sure you didn’t enjoy a little S & M pleasure while you were being beaten at a point in your sexual development that made you incapable of getting sexual satisfaction without animalistic, black, violent behavior? Similar to females who are raped by an older relative prior to puberty. I have to ask because you exhibit such self-destructive thought patterns. You recognize that their behavior was sociopathic but they are somehow not responsible for that behavior. I’ll pretend that you aren’t intellectually defective and let me ask you a question. We know that blacks have never created any society that is worthy of the name, even before they came into contact with Whites. We know from history that they are incapable of behavioral traits that lead to successful and productive societies more advanced than a primitive tribal existence. So tell us: how long does it take someone like you (i.e., “The Emperor’s Clothes are the most beautiful ever designed and I am so intelligent for recognizing this”) to acknowledge the painful truths that you are ignoring for the sake of your self-righteous enforcement of the new orthodoxy? We have had Affirmative Action for over 50 years now. When will you and you intellectually inferior brothers and sisters say, “Well, I guess I was wrong!”? 100 years of black dysfunction? 200 years? or never? do you have the ability to think for yourself or do you just want to belong to the herd?

Oh, and by the way, do you live near blacks now, or did you get a job that allowed you to move as far away as possible? How many blacks are in your neighborhood? I’m sure you will tell us how ethnically diverse and wonderful your paradise is, but you should know that no one here will believe you. Why? Because the best cure for believing as you do is to be around blacks on a regular basis. Of course, if you’re gay and enjoy that tingle down your leg as you service some STD transmitting negro, you will never admit the truth.

Go minister to the people who’ve physically abused you. Break your heart trying to lift up people who have nothing but contempt for you, your abilities, your learning and your virtues. We are free men, we CHOOSE not to. We have seen the results of a half-century and more of effort, and we judge it wasted. You can waste your own time, we’re done.

You can live in your suburbs if you like. But unless you’ve spent time with black people in your life, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

By the way, I’m far from some PC liberal nutcase. I was unenthusiastic about the ferocious prosecution and media attacks on George Zimmerman last year. I dislike Al Sharpton; I thought the Tawana Brawley case was a botchery of justice. I think that affirmative action by race should be abolished and replaced with affirmative action by socio-economic status. I think black racism with regard to whites is unacceptable.

My family has lost enough to Blacks, thank you very much. I have no wish to add to the total of what they owe me, because I know that debt will never be paid; my reparations will never come to me as a check, or real estate, or recovered leaded-glass windows, or the other things Blacks have wrested from me and mine.

You won’t answer my question. What have YOU done, besides get used as a punching bag? Why should anyone want to “get to know” the sort of people who’d do that? You’d have to be insane or a troll to suggest it. The diagnosis of Stockholm syndrome looks so apt, it’s as if you wrote a character.

This exchange has taken on a rather silly character on your end:

“They’re dysfunctional and dangerous, and worth avoiding.”

“You should get to know them!”

(experience accumulated)

“They’re still dysfunctional and dangerous, and I hate them almost as much as I hate DWLs like you. Without you, they’d confine their pathologies to each other.”

And no, we do not pronounce the Black race failures based on IQ scores. We judge them failures based on Haiti, Liberia, Congo, Zimbabwe, Detroit, Gary, Birmingham, and everywhere else they rule. We judge them unproductive because they do not produce, dangerous because they are violent, parasitic because they take, racist because they demand license to hate which they and their DWL enablers deny to others. We know them, and want no part of them.

You can live in your suburbs if you like. But unless you’ve spent time with black people in your life, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

We could go on for days and hundreds of comments about our encounters with blacks. I could tell you that I was the only white male on my shift in the last job I had, or that I was a military brat and therefore forced to deal with blacks from the age of 8, and you would still come back with “you live in the suburbs.” There’s some sort of mental block at work here that is preventing you from accepting a very simple fact: encounters with blacks make whites more racialist more often than not. You can’t compute the fact that most experience does not follow your own formula.

Secondly, you tell us about your own experiences from childhood that brought you to where you are today, yet you explicitly deny the same to Unamused. Assuming he wasn’t just fucking with you when he said he lived in a bubble, you have no idea what took him to the bubble. He may have had experiences similar to yours, but you dismiss this out of hand because he didn’t come to the same conclusion you did. Again, there’s a mental block at work here due to your conditioning.

Finally, people who lack wisdom must learn from experience. Those who possess wisdom can learn from observation. You conceded the point that blacks are more violent. Why in god’s name would you then insist that whites be around blacks as much as possible? Is it worth a woman getting raped and her children massacred if it gets her to accept her “white privilege”? This is why others have dismissed you as a twisted sadist/masochist. That’s exactly what you are.

Face the question squarely, or not. You’re already dead, so it hardly matters in your case, but you may yet provide a valuable case study for budding racialists.

OK, I’ll stop this. Silent Running et al., yes, this is a parody — of sorts. And yes, my (actual) views are similar to Unamused’s.

My father had roughly the same experiences that I described (though I shifted the birth date forward slightly). And his responses to me, when I discuss the matter of race, are all variations on ‘you don’t know enough black people’ or ‘you live in the suburbs’ (both true). These are such irrational — indeed anti-rational — ‘arguments’, that I’m not sure how to respond. Hence I decided to present the ‘arguments’ to the commentators on this website to see their response.

Psychomelosopher, i was an enlisted guy in the military for many years, & have lived in ghettos. your idea of poverty as a cause of crime is silly (that’s what you’re supposed to believe, based on the “conventional wisdom”). poverty causes people to rape? & then to not take any food or money with them after the rape? it causes people to kill? then forget to rob the other person? the poorest section of town in San Francisco had the lowest crime rate for many years – oh wait, that was China Town. During the “great” depression – how did crime rates fare? oh, wait, that won’t help your argument. People are often poor when they are stupid, impulsive, & have poor social skills (& difficulty planning). Here are some (hate) facts: Most people know right from wrong. Wild ducks come from wild duck eggs. apples don’t fall too far from the tree. the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. go live in africa. then get back to us with your observations.

PS to Psychomelosopher: you’re right tho – if this is what you’re trying to get us to say: I have had many black neighbors, & many of them were very nice. however, a few of them broke into my car & my house, & broke things & took things. of course that doesn’t make them all “bad” – many are nice. still, overall as a group they are a drain on society & a drain on my patience. yet, many of the very best ones are super nice. that’s true. but it’s a normal human thing to feel more comfortable around your own people. more (hate) facts: birds of a feather flock together. feral folks will mess with your stuff & endanger you.

The comment referred to Mark Steyn’s explanation for Chicago’s decline:

Mark Steyn: To achieve this level of devastation, you usually have to be invaded by a foreign power…

Or to import a foreign genome. Which is what’s happened in this case. Like it or not — and liberals don’t like it — genetics determines the success or otherwise of a civilization. I don’t think Mark Steyn will admit this, but then he’s got his career to think of. Can’t go speaking too much truth to liberal power. A-course, a black individual can be much smarter than some white or Chinese individuals, but the bell curve dictates whether there are enough smart individuals to keep the ship of state afloat or send it down the plughole. See:

I haven’t blocked you. Nor can I find anything in the TypePad spam filter, which is sometimes a little twitchy. Feel free to try again and if you still have difficulty posting comments on my blog, let me know. That said, I suspect your sparring partners may have moved on by now.

About 2 years ago, one of our participants picked an argument with you. He was very young and inexperienced. I felt at the time that it was immature and counterproductive. I did not appreciate being drawn into conflict with a blogger that I thought was doing good work, or any blogger for that matter.

Anyway, I would like to apologize to you on behalf of wnthinktank. I think you are doing great work and wish you the best.

We have also revisited our stance regarding anti-Semitism and find it to be counter-productive. We welcome Jews and people with partial Jewish heritage. We hope that they will self identify as White and help the West. If not we still wish them well however they wish to self identify.

Your efforts are welcome and much appreciated at wnthinktank. Keep up the great work. We consider you fully one of us and a part of our community. Thanks for your efforts in support of the truth.

>> The anti-liberals on the site then rebuked me for my ideological sins:
>> Anti-liberal #1: Really? America’s falling apart because black people are inherently stupid?

I did say this.

But I didn’t rebuke you or accuse you of “ideological sins”. It’s a question. Answer it!

And I further provided examples of how people a hundred years ago talked about how America was falling apart because of the inherent failings of various white (albeit mostly non-Protestant) people, by virtue of their being a different race/ethnicity/religion/”genome”:

Of course you did. You took a claim about the IQ distribution of blacks and turned it into a claim that “black people are inherently stupid”. Just like a heresy-sniffing Guardian- or NYT-reader.

It’s a question. Answer it!

It’s a dishonest question. The answer is: No. Parts of America are doing reasonably well. The white parts. They’d be doing much better if not for the drag from the failing parts: the black (and Hispanic) parts. Detroit is a failed city and Zimbabwe a failed nation because black populations do not contain a sufficiently large “smart fraction”:

Note: “sufficiently large”. There are certainly smart blacks, but there aren’t enough of them, even when there’s a significant admixture of white genes, as in the US.

South Africa is heading towards the cliff too. There’s another factor: blacks also tend more to narcissism, psychopathy and Big-Man-ism. Robert Mugabe is intelligent and Obama is (fairly) intelligent, but they’re both examples of how intelligence is far from sufficient to make a good leader.

SBPDL:
Maureen Downey is a columnist at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, who uses her editorial space to bemoan the educational standards set by white students and the inability for the black population of Georgia to come anywhere close of reaching these standards.

I’m simply asking you, Unamused. Do you live in a suburban bubble, writing racist things about black people out of fear of the unknown? Or do you live near them, and experience what they have to go through?

Psycho’s probably taking the piss, having a go, insert British idiom here, but I thought I’d point out that I’ve been hip-deep in negros from day one. One thing about negros; given safe viewing conditions, they provide non-negros with endless entertainment value. If I was a media mogul, I’d weep into my pillow every night at the endless forgone revenue to be had from simply filling a “reality” show with their antics. Highlights include the common belief that new shoes enable the wearer to run substantially faster than broken-in ones, shiny guns do more damage than non-shiny ones, and houses painted in bright, garish colors are immune to haunting, and an abiding passion for watermelon-flavored anything.

Well, why not actually meet some more blacks? Spend time living in their communities?

You know the statistics, OK. But do you have real-life experience?

I agree with what Psycho is implying, here. He fears alligators and crocodiles, but how many has he actually met? How much time has he actually spent living in their communities? He knows what he’s read in the books, okay. But does he have any real-life experience? I hear a certain Aussie’s job has been available for quite some time…

“Have YOU got any ‘real-life experience’…”?

Yes. I grew up in a segregated apartment in Chicago. Then I moved to Buffalo when I was seven, in 1965. I went to a school where I was one of three white kids – virtually everyone else was a black kid from the ghetto. Naturally, I was beaten up routinely.

Know what?

I didn’t become a racist.

Wait, Psycho isn’t taking the piss? Having a go? Inserting his British idioms anywhere? Oh dear. Let the lulz ensue.

Psycho, are you actually stating – with pride – that you refuse to learn from experience?

“By all that’s holy, the apple hit me on the head and gave me a concussion, and I still refuse to believe in the heresy of gravity! My faith is pure!”

I’m not making excuses for the behavior of the kids I went to school with, but I did experience what black people have to endure.

Other negros?

I lived right on the edge of the ghetto. I saw the horrible poverty and racism. YOU haven’t.

I lived right on the edge of the ghetto, too. I saw the horrible laziness and social mailaise.

News to no one here but you, I suppose, but – blackness causes poverty, not the other way ’round.

I didn’t “like it” then and I don’t now. It was mean of them to act that way. BUT, I understand it in the historical context of white privilege and white oppression.

All non-racists should concede an independent effect of white racism and white privilege. For example, black people are no more likely to use marijuana than whites,

A statement based on self-reported data, no doubt. And assuming there’s a difference in honesty of self-reported data by race is RRRRRRAACIST!!!

but greatly more likely to be incarcerated for the same. Black people have much lower net worth than white people, even those who have the same income.

Well, there really is more to being caught and incarcerated than simply committing a crime, you know. E.g., if you smoke pot on your front porch, and you’re much more likely to be caught and incarcerated for doing so than someone who smokes pot indoors. IQ (and other behavioral factors) tends to have a huge impact on the specific nature of crime (say, trying to run away in untied shoes and pants you have to hold up with one hand), inter alia (see above about impulsiveness, conscientiousness, and time horizons).

Anyway – even if you understand the statistics, can you really make pronouncements about a group of people you’ve never met and never seen?

C’mon man. I mean really man. You’re taking the piss, right?

Of course, you’re more than comfortable making sweeping pronouncements about whites (white racism, white privilege, most whites are racist…), and that gives the game away.

And white racists. He makes all sorts of sweeping generalizations about us, right down to “knowing” how much contact we’ve had with blacks. It is to laff. I’ve been hip-deep in the critters my whole life.

All I see in the way of “debunking”, is the claim that the criminal justice system is racist when it comes to violent crime, the kind reported on the NCVS. Cops have more authority when it comes to marijuana arrests. You don’t address nonviolent crime like these.

Look, common sense tells anyone in possession of it that blacks don’t face a heavy burden from biased policing:

1) In all likelihood, black over-representation for reefer arrests (assuming it exists) parallels black over-representation for violent crime. Which is to say that even though reefer possession is a victimless crime, it’s safe to infer from black over-representation for non-victimless crimes that the similar black over-representation for victimless crimes is similarly due to black behavior.

2) Blacks won’t stop dressing and acting like thugs, pretty much as a race. Huge numbers of ghetto dwellers dress like criminals, thus imparting to police the idea that they may themselves be criminals, regardless of whether they’re criminals or not. If the increased police attention resulting from this stupid behavior was actually a burden, blacks would stop dressing like criminals, thus relieving police of the convenient excuse to stop, question, and frisk them. The fact that they won’t stop is indicative of the fact that there’s no great cost incurred.

It’s simple enough to buy a belt and tuck your shirt in, so cops can be much more confident that you aren’t packing a weapon. Blacks won’t even clear that hurdle, though.

Jesus Christ, you must be joking. Tim Wise? This is a troll, right?

Probably/maybe/God I hope so. But hey, trolls are great for the dialectic, right.

I’ll second Mr. Rational’s suggestion. Go live in the ghetto. Let us know how it went.

It would really make much more sense for Psycho to go live in the ghetto than it would for any of us to do so. He’s the “anti-racist,” after all, not us. He should take his own advice. And maybe some more hard experience will bring him around to our way of thinking. Until he gets more experience with blacks under his belt, his own opinions are worthless (according to his own logic).

Been there, done that, Unamused. What about you? What real-life experience do YOU have?

I don’t believe you. Your positions are perpendicular to your claimed experiences. I have the experience, a lifetime of it, and you sound like someone who does not. It’s like if a guy claimed to have done several tours in A-stan, yet lauded A-stanians for their hygiene and pristine toilet habits; the opposite of reality.

There’s some sort of mental block at work here that is preventing you from accepting a very simple fact: encounters with blacks make whites more racialist more often than not. You can’t compute the fact that most experience does not follow your own formula.

I’d know he was a Yankee, even if he hadn’t mentioned Detroit; his insistence that one must “go to the ghetto” to experience blacks is a tipoff. I’m from the South. Blacks are pretty much everywhere here. Not neatly segregated into ghettos like in Yankee territory. Most Southerners have pretty extensive experience with blacks, it’s unavoidable.

OK, I’ll stop this. Silent Running et al., yes, this is a parody — of sorts. And yes, my (actual) views are similar to Unamused’s.

Drat. I had a feeling you’d do that before the end of the thread, and I’d have typed all this up for nothing. Damnit. :D

These are such irrational — indeed anti-rational — ‘arguments’, that I’m not sure how to respond. Hence I decided to present the ‘arguments’ to the commentators on this website to see their response.

I gave you a pretty good one: alligators. Your dad has no experience with alligators. He’s going to take it on other people’s word that they’re dangerous and avoid them, no personal experience necessary. Similarly, he believes in the law of gravity, without having worked through the math and proven it to himself. And electricity, gunshot wounds, etc. “Anti-rational” is the proper term. He’s letting other people’s bad advice displace his own decision-making process.

but the bell curve dictates whether there are enough smart individuals to keep the ship of state afloat or send it down the plughole. See:

Right. It doesn’t take much fiddling with the ratios of good:ordinary:bad to make a group incapable of advanced civilization. The goods need to significantly out-number the bad, for a group to be capable. And the bad needs to be below a certain threshold, while the good needs to be above a certain threshold.

We have also revisited our stance regarding anti-Semitism and find it to be counter-productive. We welcome Jews and people with partial Jewish heritage. We hope that they will self identify as White and help the West. If not we still wish them well however they wish to self identify.

I see a false dichotomy here. I find anti-Semitism productive (it’s what really drew me (and presumably, many others) into white advocacy), and welcome Jews and part-Jews. I see no contradiction there, either.

Everything that is exists for a reason, is perfectly natural and immutable. One can throw his will against something (or a collection of somethings) hoping that his will can defeat and destroy truth and nature. What people call “racism” is an idea or a collection of ideas (or attitudes and actions) which are natural, absolutely belong and come from studies of and interactions with people of different races, especially blacks. It displeases some so they thougtlessly throw themselves against it, believing themselves God, with the power to kill things they don’t like with their will and speech.

As you may have gathered, I don’t understand nor do I respect your use of the term “racism”. Maybe you could explain it in more detail?