a critical day in future oftheunionizedamerica.[bleep] [ yelling ] >> shut your mouth. it wasn't talking to you. put your hands on me and see what happens. >> this is -- >> leave us alone. leave us alone or we'll come for you and get you out of your position. >> eric: but this is probably the most dramatic fox news contributor getting sucker punched by the union thugs. watch. >> get the [bleep] out of my face. get the [bleep] out of my face. >> you hurt a lady -- >> i didn't hurt nobody. get the [bleep] out of my face. back off. back the [bleep] off. >> okay. [ yelling ] [bleep] [ yelling ] >> eric: so why so much anger? why the threat? the answer is simply this. the collective bargaining experiment in america is over. the unions are finished. whopping 20% of the workforce in michigan is one of the most unionized states in america. it's no coincidence that michigan is also the 46th worst state in unemployment. the unions know what is happening. they sense their demise. it's imminent. they're fighting to the bitter end. it won't matter. gor snider is doing what's best for the state? michi

lane american labor movement. here he is again marching that day. he becameaunionorganizerin michigan in the sometimes difficult and sometimes violent strikes of 1936 and '37. at the time workers in the big auto plants were coming home sick and injured and exhausted. and no matter how long or how hard they worked, they were coming home broke too. the auto companies didn't want unions, but the workers struck and they struck hard, and the workers eventually won. on february 11th, 1937, gm signed its first contract with the uaw, the united auto workers. if you called this contract the beginning of the american middle class and michigan the birthplace of the american labor union, and walter reuther the father of all that, you probably wouldn't be much overstating your case. mr. reuther was born in west virginia. he learned tool and dye making in a union family. he moved to michigan and found a job in the automobile industry. he found his life's work in helping its workers. he said, quote, there is no greater calling than to serve your fellow men there is no greater contributio

, rushing through legislation that substantial i willreducesunionpowerbybanningunionsfromrequiring workers to pay union dues and online onshops that pay yub onwages. go governor snyder adopted the argument that he's freeing workers from having to pay union dues. >> i hope this gives the unions an opportunity to be more successful. by having an opportunity that really have to listen to all the workers there. and say, why are they delivering a value proposition that workers can stand up and choose to joined? >> the latest wave of union setbacks to hit the midwest and states where organized labor is traditionally strong like wisconsin and indiana. this time, however, it happened in michigan, the heart lanlds of the american labor movement. a state that's long been the spiritual center of postwar moern unionism. governor snider is a smart enough politician to recognize how powerfully with his constituents. parsing his words kierfully when he was asked about the right to work in february. >> the state legislature in indiana has recently and this is a state issue, taken up right to work.

in the back. this is a state of course that was built bylaborunions, has one of the highest percentages of union membership anywhere in the country. a state known for its union support and a state that really has been -- saves by labor unions particularly the autoworkers agreeing to significant cutbacks and benefits and salaries and everything to keep the auto industry afloat. as part of the auto bailout. of course, this is just the latest in this war on unions that we've seen. it started with scott walker in wisconsin. went on to ohio. and john kasich, we've seen a lot of it out of florida. we've seen a lot of it with rick scott. we've seen a lot of it of course in new jersey with chris christie. particularly in the midwest there's been this blatant war on unions. the latest is rick schneider, a guy who was just recently elected who says the last thing he wanted oh, no, no, no, he said this publicly, privately we heard this yesterday from steve cook, head of the michigan education association was a guest

attack tostripunionrights.congressman gary peters and cindy estrada of the uaw on what his move means to michigan workers that is coming up. >>> and later, your next vacation could be out of this world. find out how soon you're going to be able to blast off to the moon, and just how much it's going to cost you. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. coming right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] the way it moves. the way it cleans. everything about the oral-b power brush is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. >>> and welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. president obama didn't campaign on it, but it's now being floated as a real concession in the fiscal cliff talks. raising the medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67. why would democrats offer it? are they r

stands up for workers in michigan as governor snyder launches a stealth attack tostripunionrights.congressman gary peters and cindy estrada of the uaw on what his move means to michigan workers that is coming up. >>> and later, your next vacation could be out of this world. find out how soon you're going to be able to blast off to the moon, and just how much it's going to cost you. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. coming right back. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the differ

unionrights.congressman gary peters and cindy estrada of the uaw on what his move means to michigan workers, that is coming up. >>> and later, your next vacation could be out of this world. find out how soon you're going to be able to blast off to the moon, and just how much it's going to cost you. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the #edshow. coming right back. have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today. >>> and welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. president obama didn't campaign on it, but it's now being floated as a real concession in the fiscal cliff talk

to vojuneaunion. >>brian kelly sitting down with greta van susteren to discuss the developments about what he hopes it will do to the state's unemployment. >> the unions make their case to the employees with a closed union shop like we have had in the past employees were -- it was a compulsory requirement they had to pay the union. the union has to earn their business, earn their dues. that will put the employees in a position of having greater freedom and kroefrl the organization that represents them. but then also it will make the union more responsive. when we look to the neighbor to the south we see the pipeline in the state of indiana of jobs and job growth has been very impressive. we look at that very closely when we did our planning here in michigan as well and gaining the support for this new law or this change in our law. also about 25 percent we figure of firms won't even put your state on the radar screen without this law in place. this will be opportunity long-term job growth for our state. >> kelly also said the state is taking serious measures to make improvements to de

. monica, colmes, thank you. next on the run down, chaos breaking out in michigan. big fightoverunionlabor.president obama on one side. governor of michigan on the other. we will talk with the governor. and later charles krauthammer on how much tax american millionaires should pay to the government. we're coming right back. [ metal rattling ] ♪ hello? boo! i am the ghost of meals past. when you don't use new pam, this is what you get. residue? i prefer food-based phantasm, food-tasm. poultry-geist works too if you used chicken. [ laughs ] resi-doodle-doo. [ female announcer ] bargain brand cooking spray can leave annoying residue. but new pam leaves up to 99% less residue. new pam helps you keep it off. now here he is. >> bill: bill -- big trouble in michigan. give employees the option not to join a union. president obama doesn't like that at all. >> what we shouldn't be doing is your rights to bargain for better wages. we shouldn't do that. these so-called right-to-work laws they don't have anything to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. [cheers] >> what

., thank you. next on the run down, chaos breaking out in michigan. big fightoverunionlabor.president obama on one side. governor of michigan on the other. we will talk with the governor. and later charles krauthammer on how much tax american millionaires should pay to the government. we're coming right back. updaten breaks in o'reilly. now here he is. >> bill: bill -- big trouble in michigan. give employees the option not to join a union. president obama doesn't like that at all. >> what we shouldn't be doing is your rights to bargain for better wages. we shouldn't do that. these so-called right-to-work laws they don't have anything to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. [cheers] >> what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> bill: but governor rick snyder says he will sign the right-to-work measure tomorrow. he joins us now from lansing, the state capitol. so what do you say to the president, governor, who says this you are basically trying to bring down wages for working people in michigan? >> that's not true at all

labor supply will there arenounionspeoplehave to dealwith.unionsherein the united states are still worried that they are going to lose go all the pension benefits they negotiated before but jobs are going over there because employers don't have to deal with what they have over here. >> gregg: how do we combat that. that is the real issue. tim cook is the new ceo of apple is shifting some chinese jobs of apple back to the united states, but he is doing it out of patriotism? >> i don't think he you would have seen that with steve jobs. >> gregg: he told president obama in the last meeting, those chinese jobs, they aren't coming back. >> he did it the way to be a good businessman. >> gregg: with rising trade influence, china will also have increasing political influence, as well? >> absolutely. >> gregg: brenda, good to see you. catch her on "bulls and bears" every saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> heather: this month, marks a special anniversary, the last time a man walked on the moon, 40 years ago. u.s. astronaut had that honor and neil cavuto angered a special on

governor snyder and thelaborunion. that'sbecause tomorrow michigan is set to become the 24th right to work state. kelly wright is live in washington with the lathes for us. >> good morning to you as well. the president will be speaking today at the dongler detroit diesel plant in redford, michigan. he is expect to do address the issue. it is a pivotal time for the state of michigan. pro union workers will take to the streets to demonstrate state lawmakers for them wanting to become a right to work state. >> we are going to get it done. ifs about pro workers. it is important to give them the freedom to choose. it is important to join a union or not. it's important not about collective bargaining. >>> he was talking about how they want to move the state forward to create more jobs for people in the state should they move to a right to union situation or right to work situation. union workers argue they are making an attack on the middle class. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers rights and roll people back for what we fought for. >> nancy pelosi says

not tojoinunions. we'llshow you how the networks covered this intense story. >> are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> taxes are going to go up one with acor the other. >> bill: miss walters will be here and dennis miller will have some thoughts on the situation. >> we're young -- >> bill: anger growing over new tv program that mocks white people in west virginia. >> whatever happens happens. >> bill: caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. "the factor" begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching. violence in michigan. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. last night i opined that hate speech is a vie lint act because it incites people to harm the target of the speech. now we're seeing speech leading to actual physical violence in michigan. the issue is a new state law that allows michigan work force legally opt out of joining a union. president obama and most union leadersship despise the law saying it will hurt the power of workers to bargain for better wages and benefits. yesterday the three television evening ne

cars. thanks toaunion-backed arbitrator.as you know, chrysler borrowed more than $11 billion as part of the auto industry bailout. that is what your tax dollars are spent on. how is it possible these guys are back on the job? joining me author of the state of the union, phil dine. thanks for coming back on. let's get right to it. how is it possible? >> good to be with you, melissa. who knows. this is, first of all this is not a union-backed arbitrator. what this is, is a union and a company-backed arbitration process. the contract calls for a certain process just like our legal system calls for jury trials. we may or may not like the outcome in any one trial or any one grievance process but neither you nor i heard the evidence. melissa: well, i mean, i saw the reporter and read the report who has been covering this story and he says that% they went into arbitration and had a lot to do, if you really drill down on statements -- >> i just lost you, melissa. melissa: oh my goodness. the gremlins are in the system to nile. phil, can you hear me. >> now i can. melissa: so, phil, he was sa

ofchryslerunionworkers,well, somehow they got their job back. we'll tell you how. martha: plus a growing number of republicans saying they are willing to give in on taxes. is it a gamble that is worth it though? we'll ask senator lindsey graham what he thinks. >> let's face it. he does have the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from coming. -- happening obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. bill: the eccentric software millionaire john mcafee speaking out from a guatemala detention center asking to return back to the after being detained for the shooting death of a man in belize. steve harrigan live in miami on these allegatio

. and also you have all theseprounionprotestshappening not too far away in lansing, michigan. we have a correspondent there as well. we'll talk to here. jessica yellin to you in washington. and, first things first, you think here michigan, you think the birth place of unions and you think about all these people who are very frustrated with this, everything i read, it seems to be pretty much a done deal, this right to work legislation, that the governor has indicated he would sign. these are the folks who helped elect the president not too long ago. should the president step in and go to bat for them? >> well, you know, the unions have been enormously supportive of the president as you point out. not only during this campaign, not only as foot stole jer sold helping get out the vote, but also financially with their dollars. the white house already expressed its support for the unions opposing right to work legislation. one of a white house official put out a statement today, matt lairic, saying in part, let me find the statement, president obama has long opposed so-called right to work

day, one day, right to work, destroyinglaborunions. laborunionshavevowed to fight back. the republican war on labor unions goes on and on in the state of michigan, from wisconsin to ohio and now to michigan we've got to fight back and we will. plus all of the news of the day. but first, we get the latest. start off with today's current news update from lease a ferguson standing buy out in los angeles. hi, lease a. good morning. >> hey, bill. good morning, everyone. as bill mentioned, president obama is taking his fiscal cliff campaign back on the road again today. he is headed today redford, michigan where he will tour a diesel plant and speak to middle class workers. he will push his plan to raise encloses above 250 -- to raise taxes above $250,000 a year. president obama met with house speaker boehner for the first time in more than three weeks. the house is still refuseing to pass obama's tax plan much less agree to other policies. josh earnest is not giving any details into yesterday's. some republicans are coming around on improving

on conservative causes with a particular focus on anti-union measures in the states.laborunionsplayeda big part in mr. adelson's conversion to democrat to republican kingmaker. he fought with members picketing outside his hotel in las vegas. he tried to fight them in court, until find the supreme court declined to take his case. in testimony for the nevada state ethics commission, future democratic congresswoman and unsuccessful candidate shelly berkeley said adelson had told her, "old democrats were with the union and he wanted to break the back of the union, subsequently he had to break the back of the democrats." that fight, the war with labor changed sheldon adelson from being just another social liberal on the sidelines of politics to sheldon adelson, contributor on an historic scale to republicans who do not share his social values and this goes to a fundamental truth about the republican party. which is that the republican party in its current incarnation is a coalition between missionaries and mercenaries. the republican party is made up of true believers who are really committed t

. >> let's hope it all worked. >> it's the third tile. it's worked before. >>> omingup,unionsrallyagainst a proposal they say will hurt workers. >>> also ahead, real story of the hero secret agent portrayed in the osama bin laden movie "zero dark 30." as i said, real story, ahead. is simply revolutionary. oral-b power brushes oscillate, rotate and even pulsate to gently loosen and break up that sticky plaque with more brush movements than manual brushes and even up to 50% more than leading sonic technology brushes for a superior clean. oral-b power brushes. go to oralb.com for the latest offers. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good

actually lose. this afternoon in detroit, the president blasted a package of anti-union bills. michigan republicans, governor, is ush pushing through his state's legislature. >> what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. >> even though the cheering went on for nearly half a minute, it looks like those anti-union bills may, in fact, have enough support to pass michigan's legislature, despite union threats of massive demonstrations. cnn's alison kosik is in the capital, lance, watching what's going on. explain what the fight is all about, why it's so intense. >> reporter: well, first of all, here at the michigan state capit capital, it's more about the calm before the storm. those demonstrations of thousands of people descending on the state capitol. police are gearing up for what's coming up tomorrow when the votes are expected to happen. what this is all about is the right to work law. if this law passes, what it essentially means is that workers would not be required to

and believed thatstrongunionsarethe foundation of a strong middle class.whenunionmembershipwas at its peak in this country, we all grew together. the middle class grew and prospered. everyone from the richest c.e.o. to the minimum wage worker benefited from our nation's prosperity when labor union organization was at its peak. michigan's economy has always been a shining examples of that shared prosperity. when an auto worker who put in a hard day's work could earn enough not only to buy one of the cars he made but to buy a house, send his kids to college, take a nice vacation, have a good retirement, live the american dream. as unions have declined in this country, the middle class is also declined. those at the top earn more and more, while ordinary working people are seeing the american dream slip out of touch. and it's not just union workers who are losing ground. because unions don't just benefit their members. they benefit each and every american worker, regardless of whether you've ever held a union card. it is unions that fought for all of the things that we sort of take for g

. >>> theyuponunionwonaccepted the noble peace prize -- theeuropeanunionacceptedthe noble peace prize. the eu was honored for promoting peace and human rights in europe. >> the european project has shown it is possible for people and nations to come together across boarders. >> hundreds of people outraged by the eu being awarded protested. they say they are unfit for the honor. >>> coming up, what gmail is blaming for it is e-mail outage this morning and facebook is going forward with policy changes. and the latest on the condition of nelson mandela who was hospitalized over the weekend. oh, you have a keurig vue brewer? oh, it's great! now i can brew my coffee just the way i love it. how do you do that? well, inside the brewer, there's this train that's powerful enough to carry more coffee and fresh water to make coffee that's stronger and bigger... and even hotter! actually, i just press this button. brew the coffee you love -- stronger, bigger, or hotter -- with the keurig vue. because we know how much you do to make the holidays just right. from ornaments to ottomans, memories are

and the critics say it would weaken the powerofunions. >>>an oakland business goes up in flames for the second time in months. >>> plus a pipe bomb investigation in pleasant hill, the message parents are hearing from the school superintendent. $ . >>> good morning, it is december 11th, i am dave clark. >> and i am pam cook, time now is 5:30, we definitely feel it getting colder, let's go to steve. >>> it's cold out there for some, upper 20s and 30s all over the bay and an increase in fog and also on the coast means 50s and 60s or low 60s, here is sal. >>> good morning, traffic is moving well as you come to the willow pass grade with no major problems and the morning commute looks good, we have some troubled spots. a complete update ahead, let's go back to dave and pam. >>> flames gutted an apartment building and now some families are homeless. tara moriarty was there moments after the fire started and you just spoke to a woman who was evacuated, what did she say? >> reporter: she said she was sleeping and heard popping sounds and ran downstairs and saw huge flames coming from her office area a

oftheunionsforevermichigan is now a right-to-work state. will others follow? clayton? >> plus, is he behind on his child support. so one judge ordered this father of nine to stop having kids just stop having kids. but is that fair? is that allowed? can they do that? a little bit like china, perhaps. "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. >> ainsley was singing. i can't help but sing that. they actually -- they have a band. the lady's voice i saw her. >> the "fox & friends" band? >> yes. >> really? >> i was standing in the audience and another girl that i worked with she said you know she sings the "fox & friends" ballad. >> really? >> i met her. >> go on tickets. i will go on stub hub for that that's ainsley air earhardt in for alisyn. >> in for dave briggs. fiscal cliff. just a few days left. if you count christmas. only a few weeckets and got the christmas break so congress better get its act together what we're going to do. the president says the wealthy. all target on the wealthy listen to the president. >> if we are serious about paying deficit while still investing in education an

't know. we'll find out. we have boehner and the fight in michigan overtheunion. we'lltalk about that, too. [ bullhorn ] >> back up! back up! back up! >> cenk: all right and if that wasn't enough we'll also do an elbow of the day. every day presents another exciting issue. from financial regulation, fraud on wall street. things everyday exploding around the world that leave no shortage for exciting conversations. at the end of the show, you know what has happened, why its happened and more importantly, what's going to happen tomorrow. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: in mission the republicans in a panic passed the so-called right to work laws which, in fact, allow for freeloaders to let the union negotiate for them and then take advantage without todaying do yous. this was meant to weaken the unions and the unions are not happy about this. now they're going to lose five seats in the election in the legislature the republicans are, that's why they did that right before they leave office. they were angry than angrier than i was in the last segment and they had the americans for prosper

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's another way to do that without spending a bunch of money. you can get yourteachersuniontoagree to stagger the school day. some teachers come in early and you have study hall, some come in later and you have sports after school. there is a bunch of ways to address education. great teachers more than parent involvement or anything, you put a great teacher in front of a kid, they work miracles. i think our goal is to say that we're going to fix education. we're working statewide to begin to implement. we do not want them filling out multiple choice tests but you have to measure the effectiveness of a teacher. our goal is sitting down with the union and having them at the table to say, how do you help us figure out, i was a geologist. i thought i would be a great geologist. i got laid off. i would still be a geologist. it turned out i was not that good a geologist. not too much fun to say but the facts are the facts. i was 20 times better running restaurants that i was a geologist. i had a much happier -- i tell a lot of my friends by not being willing to allow natural turnover, co

. >> including the shooter who turned the gun on himself. >>> a legal landmark in michigan. onceaunionstronghold, the new measure that is dealing a serious blow to organized labor. >>> then call it the safety dance. the cop who is really busting a move or two. >> he's having fun on his job. i can appreciate that. >> getting low, getting low, getting low. i wonder if he has a sound track out there for him. or just his own tunes going on in his head. >>> but first, the white house is out with a strong reaction to north korea's successful test firing of a long-range ballistic missile. >> the obama administration calls the launch a highly provocative act that threatens regional security. the question now, does the threat extend to this country? >> reporter: in a breaking news broadcast, north korean television celebrated the regime's successful test of the long-range rocket from its launch site. it is the second attempt by the north koreans this year. last april, a similar test failed within minutes after takeoff. this time, the rocket traveled directly over okinawa, before falling 180 miles no

which until this election was a predominantly republican-voting phenomena, and thoseinunioncity,new jersey, um, who have, you know, electorally expressed themselves via the democratic party. and a lot of that dose to who en-- goes to who engaged them when they showed up and cultivated their political activity and included them in the political activity that was going on at that time in those communities. so i think there's a lot to be said for viewing the influence of latinos in this cycle and particularly going forward as part of a broader coalition. um, and one that, you know, i've heard time and time again everybody likes, republicans love to go back to the reagan quote. the national exit polls this year shouldn't give you a lot of comfort. >> right. >> it's, you know, two-thirds support for abortion rights, 60% support for the affordable care act. um, the almost 59% support for same-sex marriage. those are, this is among hispanics in the national exit poll. that doesn't sound particularly socially conservative to me. >> no. >> so -- >> and, and also the question i think at some

to give a jolt to thesovietunion. >>stephen: we were going to nuke the moon and we didn't! (laughter) this is earth-shattering news. when it should have been moon shattering news. clearly this, this moment is when america stepped back from greatness. oh, let's see, what's the best way to send the rescu rescue-- russ keyes a message. a tense u.s. security council meeting, no, you light up the goddamn moon way nuclear haloso bright kruschev can read pravda at midnight. (cheers and applause) >> stephen: oh, and what milk toast nancy pants pussied out on our nuclear lunar program? eisenhower. sure, ike beat the nazis but what about the moon nazies? oh, they don't exist? that's just what moon hitler wants you to believe. instead, instead we chose lunar appeasement. and it is just emboldened the moon. i swear last week that thing was half the size. this nation, i say this nation must nuke the moon before it can acquire nuclear weapons of its own. and don't think it isn't trying because we know it is teamed up with fundamentalist islam. (laughter) folks, if you ask me, you shouldn't be aski

. is this political suicide for republicans? who would really pay the political price before the state oftheunionandon into the spring if they don't have a deal? >> republicans. i think matt lewis and his column got it right. they would pay the price. what they are saying is because we want to protect -- and it's more complex than this. but it would be framed as we want to protect the tax rates for the top 2%. we're willing to go off the cliff for that. i don't think there's a way you can spin it effectively enough that you end up winning the public relations war. that's why you're going to get some form of deal before the cliff is hit. it might not encompass all this stuff, but they will come to the table. >> the discharge petition, nancy pelosi is going to be taking a petition around to every house member and saying, are you with us or not on this? this is theater right here. >> sure. >> will she get the signatures? >> that's a great question. we'll see. but this is part of a broader effort by democrats. the reason they put out that offer to boehner, the timothy geithner offer -- >> do they h

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