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Begins got more things wrong than right and thankfully TDK more than wiped that slate clean.

Batman letting Ghul die in Begins, is the biggest mistake since bat-nipples and the bat-credit card. However good Begins is, it's undermined by that one moment.

Thankfully, TDK focussed on a fully operational batman and moved on from all of these boring-assed origin stories that are strangling the superhero-genre.

Pinpointing Jim Gordon is spot on and to a degree, i agree that Heath's is not necessarily an oscar winning performance but he did the greatest villain in history proud, and it's a shame that he will never be able to knock it out the park on a second go.

I think someone with Christopher Nolan's serious approach to it should, too. Nolan has proven talent makes these, not just throwing money at the screen. Hire the right director, the right writer, and the best actors out there. Bring on Batman III.

More about Green Lantern...yes, but NOT the quickly forgetable rumor about a Jack Black GL movie I heard a few years ago. DC needs to jump on the bandwagon and make more movies with good ideas, but stop letting the suits make the horrible desisions. The talent is out there, now go find them.

I felt strangely disconnected from the whole thing. Don't get me wrong, it was a very good film, but I think I preferred Batman Begins overall. One thing I really missed was the set-design from the first film. Gotham looked like it could have been any old city this time around.

Ledger's performance was good, but I don't think it was Oscar-worthy. It's upsetting that he died, but I don't think we should get carried away. Gary Oldman's Gordon was a more complete character, for example.

I felt that Batman was marginalised ever so slightly with everything that was going on. Bale's performance wasn't as assured as the first film either. Caine and Freeman were also sidelined and the loss of the Batcave was lamentable. I even missed Katie Holmes (shock horror)!

It's a Superman II for me. Very good, but not as good as the first one.

I expected it to be great, but it simply was 'Ultraextraordinary', Absolutely stunning - can't wait to see this again and again and again!!!

Spectacular direction from Chris Nolan. I'm not sure how he did it, this to me is a Masterpiece. The one which many will look back among the greatest of the superhero film. I think this is the very best of its kind. It will be more than difficult to top this one with the next installment.

Heath was breathtaking indeed, his role has so much depth and the way he portrayed 'Joker' was tantalizing, and seriously why isn't Aaron Eckhart a huge star already. Bale was as great as always. Freeman and Cane brought a good intermission between the seriousness of the film, gave it a slight pause between each important subjects.

I don't think you quite get the analogy. "The Dark Knight" is the "Godfather of comic movies" because it's essentially a crime thriller, the way Godfather is. I supposed The Crow is in the same relative genre, but it really doesn't even come close to "The Dark Knight".

And I'd categorize "Superman" more as the Casablanca of comic movies.

Of course, if I'm totally off and he's just trying to say that it's the best comic book movie ever, he'd still be correct.

This movie was honestly, better than I had expected it to be. I should probably point out here that my expectations were very, very high. I already saw it again this evening. Apologies if I wasn't clear with this, was still reeling from the awesomeness as I wrote it.

Man.... it took me a day to even compile my thoughts on how amazing that film was. Even now, the most I can say is IMAX was awesome, Ledger was awesome, the "Plan" was awesome, Two-Face looked awesome and the ending was awesome.

Just got back from seeing it this morning. Definitely lived up to the hype and more!!!! TDK is such a smart movie and the Joker was amazing. Heath Ledger deserves an Oscar.

One think about TDK though. Anyone laugh sadistically with the Joker? I find myself doing so....felt so wrong and so right. I rarely see a movie and want to see it again right afterwords, this one I did.

"It's all part of the plan!" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Anyone know where Jokers bank heist mask is for sale? I only found his minions masks online.

So bummed I won't be able to go to the midnight showing opening night.I have graduation that day.Not worth going if I cannot get my favorite seat.I guess I will have to catch it first showing in the morning.Opening in about 2 weeks here!!!Yes!

Ok, so i went to Six Flags Great Adventure this past Friday specifically to go on the new "Dark Knight Coaster". 1.5 hour wait, and I gotta say, that ride is the biggest piece of s**t I've ever been on. After their last few creations (Kingda Ka, el Toro, Superman Ultimate Flight and Nitro) I was almost certain that it would be fantastic... akin to the Revenge of the Mummy ride in Universal Orlando. Good god was that the most hackneyed, un creative cash-in that could have possibly created. The only worthy element is the intro with Harvey Dent, but the fun ends there. If anyone is thinking about going to any of the Dark Knight coasters around the country, don't waste your time. It'll even make you think the flick has been hyped up, but won't deliver... and that is tragic.

I knew they'd re-release that, as it's been out of print. I got my copy in the collection of all Alan Moore's DC stuff. Worth it.

So, how 'bout that 7 minute IMAX preview? I was actually kinda pissed off when I am Legend started afterwards, I wanted it to continue... An excellent example of things to come. We won't be disappointed come July.

I was disappointed with the cover honestly. Expected a lot more. I've already seen him like that, I wanted a huge grin on his face, or something like that. But I'm not complaining, it's a pretty great cover.

They've filmed a "prologue" apparently, and it's supposedly going to be attached to the IMAX prints of "I am Legend".

coo-ka-lew wrote: Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: I like it, it's better than that ugly rumour of "The Joker" floating around a few weeks ago.

As for Heath Ledger, I was skeptical when I first heard it, but after awhile of thinking it over, he could be very good as teh Clown Prince of Crime. He is obviously a great actor and should mix well with an already stellar ensemble cast (except for Katie Holmes).

Really don't like Ledger as JOKER--even after mulling it over. He a good actor but don't think he's right.

Damn... I wrote that a year ago tomorrow... How time flies...

Well... Everything we have seen has told us that Ledger is going to be amazing in the movie. What is it exactly that you don't find right about him?

Well, it's been 4 months, and with December just a few days away, I figure this needs a well deserved bump.

Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: I like it, it's better than that ugly rumour of "The Joker" floating around a few weeks ago.

As for Heath Ledger, I was skeptical when I first heard it, but after awhile of thinking it over, he could be very good as teh Clown Prince of Crime. He is obviously a great actor and should mix well with an already stellar ensemble cast (except for Katie Holmes).

Really don't like Ledger as JOKER--even after mulling it over. He a good actor but don't think he's right.

Not happy that Ledger is going to play the Joker! He is an ok actor but to pull off playing such a complex character as the joker needs the talents of a seriously good actor! How about Peter Sarsgaard? I think he is a great actor! Maybe he is not a big enough draw for Warner? Edward Norton would be a good choice but he going to play the Hulk! As for Ryan Phillippe no no no! Aron Eckhart for me!

True, but I wish they'd have cast her as Dawes in the first place, instead of having this jarring continuity...not error, but it's noticeably a different actress. That's what I hated about the old ones, they were always different people from movie to movie, zero continuity.

Although I have every confidence she will pull it off quite nicely in the end.

They have it down to 3 people-- Josh Lucas, Jamie Foxx and Edward Norton.

Whether they have narrowed it down at all or if it's these people, I do not know, but thought it was buzz-worthy.

So Katie Holmes is out... Now they want Rachel McAdams to replace her (same character). That is a horrible idea. One thing that really bothered me about the LAST Batman series was the ZERO continuity with the cast (Batman/Bruce Wayne, Harvey Dent). You say 'Well then just make her a new character'. Again, no continuity, in the last series, it was a new girl for every movie (James Bond lifestyle), I was really hoping this wouldn't be the case. Honestly, I didn't mind Holmes' performance, I think the character was poorly conceived from the get-go. What did she do? Get saved by Batman, give Gordon the antidote and tell the audience what Batman is all about (even though it was already made clear.) Bottom line: the character was overkill and unnecessary. I'd be happy if she died (murdered by the Joker) in between the 2 films. No need for replacement and further makes the Joker the ultimate baddie.

Has any one heard the new Dent rumors?Eion Bailey, Edward Norton, and...... Jamie Foxx. Yep, Jamie Foxx. I think that is a pretty sketchy chocie if they cast him.But from all this I have a new fav to play dent and that is Eion Bailey he looks the part. Don't know bout his acting havn't seen any thing with him in it.

Phillippe is a not a good choice, too boyish looking, same for Jake. Bale doesn't look the 35? years old he is, or maybe he does and they look younger, I dunno. They won't be Dent, I hope. Guy Pearce would be a good choice, plus with Nolan's using of the same actors in multiple films, this seems the more likely choice, I hope.

Ok, first of all isn't dent supposed to be around the same age as bruce? I think that Bale and Ryan Phillippe are around the same age so age shouldn't be a problem. I think Phillipe would be a good fit.

also I have read alot not jjust here but in other forums about of the should take the story line from "The Dark Knight Returns" by Frank Miller. This would make for a killer bat-filck, but batman is old in it and they can't just jump right into it.

Finaly I have read rumors of Jake Gyllenhaal playing dent. I like him as Dent because he is a great actor, but it would be like a Brokeback ruion and I think the comedic value of that would reck a serouis Batman movie.

[quote=Cheddar J. Cheese wrote Liev Schreiber is very unlikely now for Dent. He is going to be on CSI starting in January.

That's a shame, because out of all the contenders, he seemed to fit the role well. I really don't want Josh Lucas to be Harvey/Two-Face, but if Nolan chooses him, then we at least know there's a good reason.[/quote]

Mal wrote: Hmm that's a bug, they should merge posts together but it should also update the date. Will work on fixing that.

To Mal: Thanks, much appreciated.

To Stephen: Right, he [Burton] was "inspired" by it. But the same basic outline is what I meant. Yeah, Dent should be scarred in "The Dark Knight Returns" during the Joker's trial. And then have it go from there.

Liev Schreiber is very unlikely now for Dent. He is going to be on CSI starting in January.

That's a shame, because out of all the contenders, he seemed to fit the role well. I really don't want Josh Lucas to be Harvey/Two-Face, but if Nolan chooses him, then we at least know there's a good reason.

Tim Burton's origin of the Joker was not lifted from The Killing Joke. They are similar, but that is because they both have the seeds of creation from Detective Comics #168 (February 1951) which revealed that he had been a criminal known as the Red Hood. While fleeing from Batman, the Red Hood fell into a vat of chemicals, from which he emerged with white skin, green hair, and a bizarre grin. His real name has never been named in the comics. TwoFace done right will be just as interesting as the Joker, but I would like to see Dent in Part 2, and him go all TwoFace in part three (maybe Joker can damage him late in Part 2?) Like I said before, I think Christopher Nolan created the best Batman movie, and at this point, I am willing to trust in all his casting choices and story direction, and sit back and enjoy.

09-09-06 23:07 I tried posting something EXACTLY like this a few hours ago, but it just edited into my last one... Unless this is what you're responding to... It went a little like this:

Quotes from Wikipedia regarding Joker. They say something like... "Ledger's performance will be nothing like Romero or Nicholson's performances, it will be Killing Joke" I also mentioned Clockwork Orange, so that is really weird...

10-09-06 22:20 And now to add something constructive, and I apologise for whatever the Hell happened in the posting process yesterday:

They're saying that Ledger's performance will be nothing like Romero's or Nicholson's and will be based on The Killing Joke...

Last time I checked, Burton's Joker was basically Killing Joke but without the wife...

I think that if they go the whole Clockwork Batman thing (which would be brilliant and just plain awesome if they did) it would be a much darker Batman (more than Returns, and that was pretty dark) and just overall great. The Joker might not have a permanent smile... It'd be great if like, the whole time he has a straight face, but when you see that smile, you know bad stuff is about to go down.

(It happened again... Is there a glitch in the system?)

24-09-2006 3:19

New rumour discussion time!

Nicolas Cage as Harvey Dent/Two Face.

What do you all think? Personally, I believe he could do it well. But I can't picture him fitting into that Gotham. But still, rather him or Guy Pearce (who I think should definitely be Dent (who he played in Begins (scenes cut))) than Ryan Phillippe.

About Heath Ledger being the Joker; I wouldn't have thought he would be the choice, but it's obviously not going to be what Jack Nicholson did. It's going to be more nuanced and dark and more along the lines of a Clockwork Orange kind of feel. Which is, I think, what the comic book was after: less about his laugh and more about his eyes.

Guy Pierce as Two Face... I dunno, he can for sure do the dual personality thing, and he has worked with Nolan before. He might not be such a bad idea.

I will still keep giving the benefit of the doubt to Nolan.

And please, people, no more "Broke-Bat Mountain" jokes. I'm really tired of hearing the same bad joke over and over. And don't take this as an oppurtunity to spam up the thread with them just to "defy me". Please. Thank you.

I'd rather see Mrs. Ryan Phillippe (Reese Witherspoon) play the part of a female Harvina Dent than him. At least I would also be upset if she got all scared up like that.

The first movie was a dream cast, and I supported the idea of Heath Ledger to play the Joker, but now I am starting to worry, but if it happens, I still think Nolan made the best Batman movie ever, so I will keep trying to give him the benifit of the doubt... so far.

My apologies for not knowing exactly how old the actors are. All I can tell is that Phillippe doesn't have the right kind of face, Lucas does. So if it came down to the two of them, my hopes would be on Josh Lucas, he looks older and seems like he can pull it off nicely. Although I still wish they'd consider Liev Schreiber.

He's too young, I don't really like that idea... I'd prefer Josh Lucas and I really don't want him to be Two-Face either. Well, like Heath Legder, IF this is true then he may surprise us all. I think it'd be a bad idea for the Pwnguin to appear as a villain in this one. Hoffman is the perfect choice for the Gentleman of Crime, but he can't be a major major villain, there are too many.

Although, come to think of it, how many did "Begins" have? 2? 3? If done properly it could work I guess, but there are some villains who deserve to take center stage. I think...

Ryan Phillippe may be set to take over from Tommy Lee Jones after reportedly landing the role of Harvey Dent/Two-Face in the upcoming Batman Begins sequel. Reese Witherspoon's husband will join Heath Ledger, who has signed on to play The Joker, and new Batman Christian Bale in The Dark Knight. Crash star Phillippe beat Liev Shreiber and Josh Lucas to the role of the scheming district attorney, played by Jones in 1995 movie Batman Forever, according to internet reports. Academy Award winners Sir Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have also joined the cast, while fellow Oscar winner Philip Seymour Hoffman is in talks to play The Penguin in the new film.

If any comic has a claim to have truly reinvigorated the genre, then The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller would be the one. Hopefully, Christopher Nolan can continue the success he's add with Batman Begins.

It would be a good idea, but why I said that Ra's HAS to be dead is that if they brought him back AND as another person, it would seem lame and repetitive, IMHO. If Ducard came back as Ra's it would be true to Ra's' character if he were truly immortal (if they're going for that approach).

Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's. I'm talking about the guy Ducard said was Ras, he died so in fact he did die the first time. We thought we saw him die at the beginning of the film but we were wrong. Who's to say Ras or someone with Ras name wouldn't return.

Never died the first time... Unless you mean that Ducard wasn't Ra's at all and someone else is Ra's... But I think that was the last we saw of Ra's. I'm talking about the guy Ducard said was Ras, he died so in fact he did die the first time. We thought we saw him die at the beginning of the film but we were wrong. Who's to say Ras or someone with Ras name wouldn't return.

Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

I did hear about that rumor, I think @ IGN FilmForce. However, that's all it was. Rumor.

Intergalactic Ponce wrote: Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

Wasn't there a rumour (maybe a couple of years ago before Batman Begins was released) that Michael Keaton was going to be considered to play The Joker. Although it appeared to be a case of 'stunt' casting it didn't seem to be a bad idea at the time as Batman & Robin was the rather low bench mark back then. Anyone else remember this rumour?

I think they are stuck somewhat with the Joker being there, but I'd like to see them continue to use the lesser mainstream villians, too. Let's see Harvey Dent be Harvey Dent in the sequal, and maybe get burned toward the end and rushed to the hospital, and save all his Two-Faceness to be in part three as he struggles for sanity and all. Ras is immortal, but I hope they are done with him. I'd like to see Scarecrow come back, but no more screen time than before. Maybe he could be the opening hook, like the movie starts out with his final adventure/capture to show there have been adventures and work between the films. As before... I trust in the Nolan. Just my 2cents here.

He has to be insane/scary. I mean, we've never really seen an actually insane Joker (in pictures). Nicholson was evil and a bit crazy. The animated Joker was cartoony and zany, therefore insane, but tame enough for a audience of children.

This Joker has to be completely psychotic and genuinely frightening. A ruthless killer and laughing while doing anything. Nicholson might've done that, but I never was convinced that he was the ultimate Batman villain.

It would be interesting, and I think good if the movie didn't show the Joker until the end. As I understand it, it's about Batman, Gordon and Dent tracking down the Joker. Maybe have them only glimpse him and then he escapes or something, very teaseful until the climax (where he ultimately gets away and scars Dent in the process).

Then "The Dark Knight Returns" (Batman Begins 3) would be all 3 villains against Batman (Plus either/and/or Penguin and Riddler and Catwoman)

As for Dent, when I heard Liev Schreiber's name go out there, I thought he'd be perfect. But now it's leaning more towards Josh Lucas who has expressed interest. I dunno if I can see him doing it... Dent has to be older too, mid to late 30s to early 40s.

To Adrien: I admit that I haven't seen Heath Ledger in much, I haven't seen "Brokeback Mountain" so my opinions probably don't have that much value. But in the end, I believe he can do it.

I want the Joker to be scary, but I'm pretty sure that won't be a problem considering the fact that fear was the basis of the previous film. And I really don't want him to be a fighter. He's got henchmen for that.

So do you reckon that the Joker will stick to the comic version or do you reckon that they'll add a bit of the acrobatic cartoon version from The Batman into the mix? It'd make for some good fight scenes...

Gabe Powers wrote: He was black in the original comic, I remeber that much.

I hate to argue, but I dont think so. His first appearance was Detective Comics #66 (1942) as Harvey Kent (later to be changed so not to confue readers of that fellow in Metropolis). He was only black when Billy Dee Williams was cast as the character in 1989.

I like the title, and I an impartial to the Joker casting. He may be able to pull it off. So far, with the outstandingly good job Christopher Nolan did with the "Begins" movie, I'd trust him not to screw it up with a sequal. The casting in 'Begins' was uber-great, so I trust he has an idea what he is doing.

Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: He's been in more than one good film. And he is a good actor, he isn't recognisable in any 2 roles because he becomes the character (like any).

Not try to antagonize you, but I looked at his filmography and he doesn't have a single other role that stands out. I recently watched Casanova. He's not Casanova, he's Heath Ledger. The only role in which he wasn't Heath Ledger was Brokeback Mountain. And I'd almost argue that wasn't a great acting job since he talked like he had a mouthful of marbles the entire time.

Adrian wrote: One good film doesn't make a great actor. It may work out. I couldn't see Michael Keaton as Batman either and that was a bit of inspired casting.

He's been in more than one good film. And he is a good actor, he isn't recognisable in any 2 roles because he becomes the character (like any). I agree with the Michael Keaton comment. I have faith in Nolan as I didn't see Bale as a good Batman and we all know how that turned out. So they wouldn't have chosen him if he wasn't up to their standards of being a great actor. This is the JOKER, not some dinky bank robber, the ultimate villain in Gotham City. I would've preferred Paul Bettany or Christopher Eccleston, but it should turn out better than we all think.

I like it, it's better than that ugly rumour of "The Joker" floating around a few weeks ago.

As for Heath Ledger, I was skeptical when I first heard it, but after awhile of thinking it over, he could be very good as teh Clown Prince of Crime. He is obviously a great actor and should mix well with an already stellar ensemble cast (except for Katie Holmes).