In post 2546, Gamma Emerald wrote:btw Uninformed Traitor is BULLSHIT. It completely removes the chance for scumhunting based on the Traitor's actions.

That bullshit is offset by the fact there were two sources of scum NK's in a mini.

“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)---"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch

who am i kidding of course i will so you're trying to tell me you'd rather a vt in the game you have to mislynch over a traitor who can endgame with you?how is a traitor damaging to the scumteam over a vt?

In post 2558, Human Sequencer wrote:who am i kidding of course i will so you're trying to tell me you'd rather a vt in the game you have to mislynch over a traitor who can endgame with you?how is a traitor damaging to the scumteam over a vt?

I'm saying every time I've see a traitor, the traitor either knows who mafia is or mafia knows who the traitor i

In this case, the traitor can't help scum and scum can lynch traitor without knowing.

It's the first in 7 years I've seen it, so yes to me regardless of what side I was on this game, I don't like it.

Gamma agrees and he wasn't even scum. So I'm not the only one.

If you want to say I'm mad cause we lost, that's fine. The only thing I'm mad at is dashie for the stupid claim. Naomi played well considering

In post 2561, Human Sequencer wrote:ok guys we need to run every setup past twoface before we run it past the normal game moderators, he's clearly more educated on the subject than us.

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“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)---"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch

Please, behave.Your opinion on the role has been noted by the mod, and he'll surely think about it if he decides to include a traitor in one of his following games.For now though: yes, you may disagree with the role, but it's his first game. You can say you dislike it, but stop there; there is no point in discussing it further. He knows it. Game is over, done.

The setup is pretty complicated yet well done for a first time mod, my first game was a lot more boring. I'm sure you can forgive him for the traitor, no?

and btw who the fuck are you to tell anyone what we can and can't discuss. Lots of games at the end people talk about the setup and if it is balanced or not. We can't change what has happened but we certainly can share our opinions, and I never shy away from that.

There is a point where I think discussion does not improve or progresses anything. Sharing your opinion is perfectly fine, but I don't see the use of hearing them 20 times. And it certainly isn't the best feeling as a mod if your players are 'angry' because of your choices, even if you can perfectly justify them.

There is a point where discussion becomes shitting on others. Don't go there.

The traitor does not know their partners to give Town a chance at Day 3 assuming 6 Town died. That is not extremely likely due to the fact there's a JK and either scum can hit the other. Even at 3v3v1, the triator can accidentally vote their scumbuddy, scum could hit their traitor, and SK can help in scumlynches. This is my first game I designed so it may not be perfect, but I tried my best to balance it.

And it is closed to balanced; I'm just saying there is no way the setup could be considered "townsided".

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Ok I want to understand where 2F and Gamma is coming from. If a VT was in the place of a traitor, which side will the balance tilt towards? Uninformed traitor has a chance of endgaming with 2F, but a VT is sided with town, another person to try to lynch you. I just want to know why a VT is better than an uninformed traitor to TwoFace, who has something like 4 times my experience.