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Nope. Not ever. Children matter ... before birth and AFTER. They do not belong in a waste bin (via AOD) OR in cages (via Trump).

And yet you love your baby-killers Obama and Hillary, and hate the greatest pro-life president ever, Trump. You are a fraud and a hypocrite. Your vote for the Democrats puts the blood of those babies on your hands.

"God never gives someone a gift they are not capable of receiving. If he gives us the gift of Christmas, it is because we all have the ability to understand and receive it." - Pope Francis

And yet you love your baby-killers Obama and Hillary, and hate the greatest pro-life president ever, Trump. You are a fraud and a hypocrite. Your vote for the Democrats puts the blood of those babies on your hands.

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If murder should be allowed to be decided by the respective States....

Share that with your Trump ally Gerald Shugart, as he doesn't seem to be catching on quickly.

Right on Lincoln!

Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

Perhaps you could pull up a quote (just one) from the Founding Fathers showing that they believed that sinful behavior was a States Rights issue?

Speaking of Gerald: He stated this earlier:

The question of whether or not to make abortion legal should have been decided in each individual state and not by a handful of people who were not elected to anything.

A handful of men (many of them weren't elected officials) decided the issue back in the late 1700's. They wrote in the Declaration of Independence that the right to life cannot be taken away without due process, something that they stated again in the 5th and 14th Amendments.

I suspect they are "cultural christians", raised in the environment but with no connection to God

Well said!

Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

Cultural Christians are still Christians, and they still overwhelmingly represent the majority of abortions obtained. Christians need to come to grips with that, and quit absolving themselves from blame for perpetuating the very thing they work against.

Perhaps you could pull up a quote (just one) from the Founding Fathers showing that they believed that sinful behavior was a States Rights issue?

You can't even ask a legit question.

Originally Posted by The Berean

Hey Doc,

I have another question for you. In several posts you've said that America today is no longer what the founding fathers had intended. So exactly what kind of country did they intend for America to be?

Well, where do I start.

They intended for us to have liberty, to be a free people. The Federal Government was to be small. The states were to be thier own countries. Only centralized in the sense the Federal government can do its own just functions, which is protect the people and provide infrastruture. The Federal Government wasnt to have a National Education Association, an IRS, among other alphabet depts.

The states were to raise armies to lend to the federal government in case a state was attacked. For you attack one, you attack us all. The reason for the declaration of war. To be unified.

To worship God or not to worship God. Even God grants people that right. Some to glory, some to eternal damnation.

Among other things if I get time to get into it tomorrow. But thats a good start.

Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

Cultural Christians are still Christians, and they still overwhelmingly represent the majority of abortions obtained. Christians need to come to grips with that, and quit absolving themselves from blame for perpetuating the very thing they work against.

Ok, what makes a christian a christian?

Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

As you well know, there are multiple answers to that, depending on what denomination you're talking to. But once a person has been baptized/accepted Christ as personal savior, whether OSAS or predestined or capable or incapable of sin based on their view of grace - they're a Christian. You don't get to take that away from them because in your mind they couldn't possibly be Christian while at the same time getting an abortion. They're Christian if they say they are, and you're unable to read their souls to say otherwise.

He is .. and I do not consider him prolife ... in the least. For him, it's simply a slogan.

Everything for him is weighed by whether it's politically expedient for him, if it makes him look good, if it gives him a boost over his rivals, if it makes the crowd roar, if it gives him more power, if it will keep people focused on him, if it makes the news, if it gives Fox & Friends shivers of adoration running up and down the place where their self respect used to be.