Richardson just because he's the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson and without the health concerns and by taking him you know there's a good chance you're getting a top 5 player at his position. Can't say the same thing about Blackmon. Claiborne would be my 2nd choice.

Claiborne- With all the problems on offense and with the defense markedly better, especially the secondary. Doesn't make sense to add on to defense with the 4th pick.

Richardson- How much better were the Browns the 1 year when Peyton was dominant?

Tannehill- Too big of a risk for an org. like the Browns.

Blackmon- I honestly think he's going to be a top 3 wideout for a stretch of time in the near future of this league. Remember whining game in and game out about how Colt had noone to throw the ball to? I do. I did it a lot. Don't want it to be true next season. Little, Blackmon, and Jordan Norwood (who I like) is a huge improvement.

Not interested at all in any of the others at the #4 pick. I would actually prefer to trade down for a 1st rounder next year more than anything but that wasn't an option. There are going to be some solid options at WR and RB at our 2nd and third picks.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Kalil- not going to be there.Claiborne-Richardson- Tannehill-Blackmon-

Not interested at all in any of the others at the #4 pick. I would actually prefer to trade down for a 1st rounder next year more than anything but that wasn't an option. There are going to be some solid options at WR and RB at our 2nd and third picks.

I agree that the options at #4 are the only ones you mentioned. But I just filled in the rest with top NFL prospects. The only one I would add to this list might be Reiff since we have a need at OT and Kalil might be gone. Although, if Miami trades up to 3 for Tannehill (not a stretch at all), Kalil is available to us.

I took Richardson only because I think he may be the surest thing and I don't think we can afford to miss at #4.

I also agree that we might trade down. Good chance.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

pup wrote:Too much available value at 22 to take Blackmon. One of Floyd/Hill will be there.

Call me stupid (everyone else does) but as absolutely pathetic our receiving crew has been at WR, would you guys jump off a cliff if they took WRs at 4 and at 22 or 37? I know we have other holes, but dang, we need some WRs. I, for one, wouldn't hate taking two WRs early.

"The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go." -- Winston Churchill

pup wrote:Too much available value at 22 to take Blackmon. One of Floyd/Hill will be there.

Call me stupid (everyone else does) but as absolutely pathetic our receiving crew has been at WR, would you guys jump off a cliff if they took WRs at 4 and at 22 or 37? I know we have other holes, but dang, we need some WRs. I, for one, wouldn't hate taking two WRs early.

You want backs and WRs you can get some really good ones throughout.

Look at the ones Jason and I previewed on greymattersports dot com. Seriously, it's loaded with difference makers. No excuse for them to not get a couple of each if they like.

pup wrote:I still say there is no way we trade back with Rams and they are the only realistic option. Going all the way to 8 leaves you with Quintin Flippin Coples.

But if they could/would...this sounds great.

6. Mo Claiborne22. Jonathon Martin37. Mohamed Sanu39. Lamar Miller

Miller ain't getting out of the 1st round I fear.

Go past 8 and you take DeCastro or Reiff, then Miller at 22 and Sanu at 37. Or Reiff, Kendall Wright and Doug Martin. Or Reiff, Miller and Hill.

Nothing wrong with falling back past 8 if you still have DeCastro and Reiff available to you to resolve RT. Perfect really because in addition to 22 and 37 you'd have even more pick collateral coming your way in round 2/3.

We desperately need weapons on O, and WR's have a long shelf life than RB's. I'd be surprised if TR has more than 4 great years in the AFCC, and I'd be surprised if the Browns were in a championship hunt during that time.

pup wrote:Too much available value at 22 to take Blackmon. One of Floyd/Hill will be there.

Call me stupid (everyone else does) but as absolutely pathetic our receiving crew has been at WR, would you guys jump off a cliff if they took WRs at 4 and at 22 or 37? I know we have other holes, but dang, we need some WRs. I, for one, wouldn't hate taking two WRs early.

Yes. I would jump off a cliff.

Little is fine as #2. They have enough to fill 3-6. They DO need one more WR, but what they need more than anything is a competent QB to throw the ball to them. If Tom Brady were QB, they might not even need one more.

Is RG3 still available?

My BPA says Richardson, I take Richardson. Fully aware of the reduced importance of RB's and the possible availability of competent RB's later.

pup wrote:I still say there is no way we trade back with Rams and they are the only realistic option. Going all the way to 8 leaves you with Quintin Flippin Coples.

But if they could/would...this sounds great.

6. Mo Claiborne22. Jonathon Martin37. Mohamed Sanu39. Lamar Miller

Miller ain't getting out of the 1st round I fear.

Go past 8 and you take DeCastro or Reiff, then Miller at 22 and Sanu at 37. Or Reiff, Kendall Wright and Doug Martin. Or Reiff, Miller and Hill.

Nothing wrong with falling back past 8 if you still have DeCastro and Reiff available to you to resolve RT. Perfect really because in addition to 22 and 37 you'd have even more pick collateral coming your way in round 2/3.

I know it is lazy, but I went through several mocks (recently updated mocks even) and they seemed to be all over the map with the RBs after Richardson. Some had Miller/Wilson/Martin. Some had Martin/Miller/Wilson. I used the one I hoped would be there at 39, but would take any of the 3 in that spot.

pup wrote:I still say there is no way we trade back with Rams and they are the only realistic option. Going all the way to 8 leaves you with Quintin Flippin Coples.

But if they could/would...this sounds great.

6. Mo Claiborne22. Jonathon Martin37. Mohamed Sanu39. Lamar Miller

Miller ain't getting out of the 1st round I fear.

Go past 8 and you take DeCastro or Reiff, then Miller at 22 and Sanu at 37. Or Reiff, Kendall Wright and Doug Martin. Or Reiff, Miller and Hill.

Nothing wrong with falling back past 8 if you still have DeCastro and Reiff available to you to resolve RT. Perfect really because in addition to 22 and 37 you'd have even more pick collateral coming your way in round 2/3.

I know it is lazy, but I went through several mocks (recently updated mocks even) and they seemed to be all over the map with the RBs after Richardson. Some had Miller/Wilson/Martin. Some had Martin/Miller/Wilson. I used the one I hoped would be there at 39, but would take any of the 3 in that spot.

Personally agree with the Miller/Wilson/Martin and the gap between Miller & Wilson is much tighter (imo) than the gap between either of those two and Martin. Martin for me is no higher than 37.

If they took Miller/Wilson at 22 I'd be really happy with that.

And if you want 'Face of the Franchise' potential, Wilson is that kind of kid.

pup wrote:I still say there is no way we trade back with Rams and they are the only realistic option. Going all the way to 8 leaves you with Quintin Flippin Coples.

But if they could/would...this sounds great.

6. Mo Claiborne22. Jonathon Martin37. Mohamed Sanu39. Lamar Miller

Miller ain't getting out of the 1st round I fear.

Go past 8 and you take DeCastro or Reiff, then Miller at 22 and Sanu at 37. Or Reiff, Kendall Wright and Doug Martin. Or Reiff, Miller and Hill.

Nothing wrong with falling back past 8 if you still have DeCastro and Reiff available to you to resolve RT. Perfect really because in addition to 22 and 37 you'd have even more pick collateral coming your way in round 2/3.

I know it is lazy, but I went through several mocks (recently updated mocks even) and they seemed to be all over the map with the RBs after Richardson. Some had Miller/Wilson/Martin. Some had Martin/Miller/Wilson. I used the one I hoped would be there at 39, but would take any of the 3 in that spot.

Personally agree with the Miller/Wilson/Martin and the gap between Miller & Wilson is much tighter (imo) than the gap between either of those two and Martin. Martin for me is no higher than 37.

If they took Miller/Wilson at 22 I'd be really happy with that.

And if you want 'Face of the Franchise' potential, Wilson is that kind of kid.

Which was my thinking going in. But a couple places had Martin going before either of them.

As crazy as it sounds, Walter Camp Football has Miller going in the 50s to the Bungals.

My first, second, third and fourth favorite options are all trading out of the spot.

But, if we have to pick, I'm going Tannehill (God help me).

Nobody you can draft has the potential to transform a franchise like the right QB. I don't know it T can be that, and I'm aware that there are many here who are convinced that he never will be no matter where he is taken.

I just hope you guys are wrong about him.

And no, I'm not comfortable pinning the future on hope, but any scenario involving our future QB (whoever he may be) involves hope. It's either hope Tanny is "the guy", or hope "the guy" somehow becomes available to us next year. It's a wish and a dream either way. So what's the difference?

pup wrote:Too much available value at 22 to take Blackmon. One of Floyd/Hill will be there.

Call me stupid (everyone else does) but as absolutely pathetic our receiving crew has been at WR, would you guys jump off a cliff if they took WRs at 4 and at 22 or 37? I know we have other holes, but dang, we need some WRs. I, for one, wouldn't hate taking two WRs early.

I fully believe ether will be a trade down, and I believe it will be with the Iggles as their papers are saying they are smitten with Tannyhill.

But playing the game, gimme TR, Hill and Massie in that order 1,2,3 even if you have to use the day 3 flotsam & jet some to move up and secure Massie. Then you are looking at BPA's for RG, DB, LB, and DE on across the board until the thing is done.

jb wrote:I fully believe ether will be a trade down, and I believe it will be with the Iggles as their papers are saying they are smitten with Tannyhill.

But playing the game, gimme TR, Hill and Massie in that order 1,2,3 even if you have to use the day 3 flotsam & jet some to move up and secure Massie. Then you are looking at BPA's for RG, DB, LB, and DE on across the board until the thing is done.

SD:

Tannehill is Eagle smoke , the hole in that roster is left tackle so they're real target is kalil.

For those in favor of Richardson , put me down on record that Miller is the better pro as Edgaran james beat Rickey Williams visa vie production.

pup wrote:As crazy as it sounds, Walter Camp Football has Miller going in the 50s to the Bungals.

Kiper doesn't have him going in the 1st 2 rounds.

I'd bet $ he's not there at 37 and I'd bet just a wee bit less he gets through the 1st round. I think the issue is teams have only 1 year of Miller on film but that year was pretty freaking impressive IMO.

YMMV (as may Mel's).

When I first started watching these guys Miller was my clear best back after Richardson. But it's really hard to put Wilson behind him. Wilson not quite the explosion but probably does everything else a notch better right now.

Positives: Behind only Luck, Tannehill possesses the best poise and pocket movement in this year's class. Tannehill stands calmly between the tackles, evading pass rushers like a seasoned veteran. The Texas A&M offense showcases skills that project into an NFL offense, requiring the quarterback to drop from center and read route progressions that include anticipation throws. Tannehill did this remarkably well. No receiver group in the country let its quarterback down more last year than Tannehill's, consistently dropping routine catches while losing the majority of 50/50 balls. Tannehill unabashedly put them in playmaking situations, but was rarely rewarded. Faith in his surroundings and short-term memory will aid Tannehill in the pros. He flashes multiple anticipation throws in every game and shines on intermediate comeback routes along the sideline. It all starts with Tannehill's compact motion, quick release, and comfort in a closing pocket. Don't sleep on his running ability, but the former quarterback-to-receiver-to-quarterback convert is without a doubt a pocket passer by nature.

Negatives: Tannehill made only 19 quarterback starts after amassing 112 receptions and 1,596 receiving yards at receiver. Whether his play directly impacted the results or not, Texas A&M lost a handful of games last season despite late fourth-quarter leads. Tannehill's release is not the ideal, top-to-bottom motion that coaches covet, though it is consistent and generates plenty of velocity. Tannehill flashes his immaturity when reading progressions, making a couple of poor throws into disguised coverage in each contest. Some throws are rushed due to backside pressure, and Tannehill does have a tendency to hold onto the ball a bit too long when moving laterally with his eyes downfield.

Outlook: Despite common perception, Tannehill is neither a project nor raw. His command and control of the pocket rival top prospects in previous classes. I do not see the multitude of poor reads and throws others seem to perceive. In fact, the way in which Tannehill succeeded at receiver while attending both position meetings and instantly flashing mature quarterback qualities is stunning. After viewing 12 of Tannehill's 19 starts, he ranks as my eighth overall player, and I'd bang the table for the Browns to draft him with the fourth selection. Tannehill may ultimately land with college coach Mike Sherman, who's now the offensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins. Sherman, of course, helped shape the game of Aaron Rodgers, with whom Tannehill shares a similar playing style. It will not take Tannehill three years to develop, though, and I'd wager he starts early and finds success much sooner than others project. He has every trait that a quality QB must possess and graduated from an offense that used many NFL principles. If you cannot get over the facts that he was a successful receiver, has a relatively limited number of quarterback starts, and his team relinquished late-game leads, I implore you to dig below the surface.

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6. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M (7)Had a great workout on in front of 32 teams and moved well, especially to his left, which is not common for right-handed quarterbacks. He completed 65 of 68 passes, including two drops. He had more drops last year during the regular season than any other quarterback.

Gil Brandt has him as his 6th best player in the draft. Tannehill was never a "2nd rounder". He is no more a project than Luck is. The guy is legit. Scouts,GM's all know his skill set. No way he is a reach at 4. If you don't have a franchise QB, you don't pass on a franchise QB. Rule 1a.

Tannehill’s stock enjoyed an uptick after a strong pro day last week. On film, he pops out as a potential NFL superstar. The knock on Tannehill is that he only played quarterback in college for a year-and-a-half. That’s silly. He was a star quarterback in high school and was such a tremendous athlete that the Texas A&M coaches needed to get him on the field, playing him at receiver. He eventually replaced 2010 preseason Big 12 Player of the Year Jerrod Johnson at quarterback during the 2010 season and never went back to wideout. He’s athletic, has a lively arm and fits in the West Coast offense perfectly. A great fit for Cleveland. Sorry, Colt McCoy.

Good point. It seems to me that the talking heads/"scouting experts"/I once drove players to and from the airport (the Rotoworld guy - seriously) are all suffering from a collective group think herd mentality. So many people looked foolish by missing on Newton; now it's to the point where once a few guys come out positively on a player everyone else jumps on board.

Note this does not necessarily mean that Tannehil is not worthy of the 4th overall, just that, in our case, the only scouting report that really matters is H&H.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

6 weeks ago the final homes for Luck and RG3 weren't completely settled as nobody knew for sure if Irsay would bring Manning back and or possibly trade the pick , or if Cleveland was going to take jeff fishers comments to heart that he wanted the trade resolved before the draft .

With the news of two QB's each worth in excess of three number ones as well as the final destination of Peyton manning dominating the draft news and all football news in general , everyone else was relegated to back seat status .

This same reveiw would have been back page news, nobody would have give a damn .

But as the top has settled out, the last QB worthy for chips and dips and accolades is now under the microscope and he's in the news as all the others have homes .

Same guy 8 weks ago who wasn't worth three number ones then and still isn't , but he's a first round talent in his own right , and would have gone second in a draft where Sanchez and the Detroit kid went one and two .

An immediate upgrade over all the garbage on this roster , and talented enough to start September 2013 with a 90 % probability he's playing midseaon and gaining expereince toward that start .

When looked at as a 2013 starter which is the only way he should be looked at with all this cannon fodder on the roster , the kid makes perfect sense as our pick.

Means we get a jumpstart on next year this year , and we salvage this draft , after blowing our cookies in our hand when Holmgren jacked off the RG3 deal.

Good point. It seems to me that the talking heads/"scouting experts"/I once drove players to and from the airport (the Rotoworld guy - seriously) are all suffering from a collective group think herd mentality. So many people looked foolish by missing on Newton; now it's to the point where once a few guys come out positively on a player everyone else jumps on board.

Note this does not necessarily mean that Tannehil is not worthy of the 4th overall, just that, in our case, the only scouting report that really matters is H&H.

They goota get somebody - every year.

Not gonna be Luck, locked at one. Done deal.

RG3 took that rising stock and kept right on a runnin'. Then the Skins trade, locked him at two.

6 weeks ago the final homes for Luck and RG3 weren't completely settled as nobody knew for sure if Irsay would bring Manning back and or possibly trade the pick , or if Cleveland was going to take jeff fishers comments to heart that he wanted the trade resolved before the draft .

With the news of two QB's each worth in excess of three number ones as well as the final destination of Peyton manning dominating the draft news and all football news in general , everyone else was relegated to back seat status .

This same reveiw would have been back page news, nobody would have give a damn .

But as the top has settled out, the last QB worthy for chips and dips and accolades is now under the microscope and he's in the news as all the others have homes .

Same guy 8 weks ago who wasn't worth three number ones then and still isn't , but he's a first round talent in his own right , and would have gone second in a draft where Sanchez and the Detroit kid went one and two .

An immediate upgrade over all the garbage on this roster , and talented enough to start September 2013 with a 90 % probability he's playing midseaon and gaining expereince toward that start .

When looked at as a 2013 starter which is the only way he should be looked at with all this cannon fodder on the roster , the kid makes perfect sense as our pick.

Means we get a jumpstart on next year this year , and we salvage this draft , after blowing our cookies in our hand when Holmgren jacked off the RG3 deal.

SoulDawg

Bullshit. There are people that spend every waking moment analyzing these guys. And NOBODY had this guy in the first round at the end of the season. Nobody.

Now we need a story. And everyone begging to be correct on who is "Next". So we jump on the next logical choice. The next QB on the board.

Luck is no longer news.RGIII is no longer news.Fuck, we need news. How is that Tannystiff looking? 65-68 against air? U-N-I-T-A-S

6 weeks ago the final homes for Luck and RG3 weren't completely settled as nobody knew for sure if Irsay would bring Manning back and or possibly trade the pick , or if Cleveland was going to take jeff fishers comments to heart that he wanted the trade resolved before the draft .

With the news of two QB's each worth in excess of three number ones as well as the final destination of Peyton manning dominating the draft news and all football news in general , everyone else was relegated to back seat status .

This same reveiw would have been back page news, nobody would have give a damn .

But as the top has settled out, the last QB worthy for chips and dips and accolades is now under the microscope and he's in the news as all the others have homes .

Same guy 8 weks ago who wasn't worth three number ones then and still isn't , but he's a first round talent in his own right , and would have gone second in a draft where Sanchez and the Detroit kid went one and two .

An immediate upgrade over all the garbage on this roster , and talented enough to start September 2013 with a 90 % probability he's playing midseaon and gaining expereince toward that start .

When looked at as a 2013 starter which is the only way he should be looked at with all this cannon fodder on the roster , the kid makes perfect sense as our pick.

Means we get a jumpstart on next year this year , and we salvage this draft , after blowing our cookies in our hand when Holmgren jacked off the RG3 deal.

SoulDawg

Bullshit. There are people that spend every waking moment analyzing these guys. And NOBODY had this guy in the first round at the end of the season. Nobody.

Now we need a story. And everyone begging to be correct on who is "Next". So we jump on the next logical choice. The next QB on the board.

Luck is no longer news.RGIII is no longer news.Fuck, we need news. How is that Tannystiff looking? 65-68 against air? U-N-I-T-A-S

SD:

You asked , but you relly didn't want to know the answer .

The media has the attention span of children , QB's sell press.

Teams are forced to reach at this pick more than any other if they want to find aQB you ultimately must take a chance ..

You will never get a good one unless you take that chance .

I agree Tanney is a mid first round talent , but he won't be there at 22.

We have the luxury to pick him early and grow him .

That is an option these bozoo's have cornered us into having to use

I don't like it anymore than you , less because RG3 should have been a Brown , but thats water over th damn and we must move on ..

It ain't the end of the world .

Minimum he's an immediate upgrade over the dog squat calf humper , if we're lucky he's much much more .

Ryan Lindley at four or Wilson with our extra second fourth , if Weeden was gone before the fourth where he starts having value as a 50 year old rookie , if they don't have to be thrown in to make the draft exchange and flush all that drek outta Berea.

In mistero & SD's world if Miami traded up and grabbed Tannehill @3, the Browns would have no choice but to pick Weeden @4

Negative. I don't like Weeden before round 4. I don't like any other QB in this draft better than Thad Lewis. IT's not about taking a QB just to take a QB.

Tannehill was always a first rounder,albiet a mid first rounder. He has been mocked to Maimi and even the Redskins at 6 way before the combine. He was never a 2nd rounder thrust up the charts by QB over value mentality. That is just your fantasy.

The guy should go at 12. We need to take him at 4. If you can't stomach an 8 slot reach, that's your timid soul.