There's the error. Weed alone won't do it... Has to be some other free will unity. Cool to be Hip was the ticket...So what if we can save a triple amputee nowadays. I would have rather done without the war, than have that technology. So with technology we can differentiate between smart bombs and new weapons and war driven medical advancements, vs. cell phones and word processors and computers. Not to mention the socially crippled, Carpal tunnel challenged young folks on the street today.

And the "romance" was very real! I wouldn't say "no fights" but they went from 95% fights, to less than 5% fights, or no fights if you were lucky. Now don't get me wrong, I loved to drink and fight as much as the next person. It became Cool to be Hip though, and we all changed - really and for real, not a romance! For sure, truly, really really happened:)

And on a very very large scale - like almost ALL of society...In all the US states, and overseas to!

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passingWhere have all the young men gone? Long time agoWhere have all the young men gone? Gone for soldiers every oneWhen will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

And you have the US all wrong. They prefer violence and gangs and hard drugs on the street. They are terrified of "Peace" because they unify and make all their money by war. They don't know how to unify and make money with Peace...Just Saying...

"One way or another, this Darkness got to give"

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passingWhere have all the young men gone? Long time agoWhere have all the young men gone? Gone for soldiers every oneWhen will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

usedtobebabson wrote:And you have the US all wrong. They prefer violence and gangs and hard drugs on the street. They are terrified of "Peace" because they unify and make all their money by war. They don't know how to unify and make money with Peace...Just Saying...

"One way or another, this Darkness got to give"

i know exactly what you mean. i left suburbia to live in the ghetto amidst street gangs, random violence, drive by shootings, crack whores, heroin shooting galleries, junkies stumbling around the streets and all the rest of that good stuff. i figured it was my patriotic duty as an american to live the values we all espouse. i highly recommend it for excitement and adrenalin. those people don't know what they have. as an american, i love it!

i just hope the rumors aren't true that the tea party is opening an office next door to my house. that would sure send property values plummeting. there goes the neighborhood as they say.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

JohnBSails wrote:Well, i think i got the message. You live your life in the States. It is your life. I got mystuff in Holland. I don't need to complain about something. Life is good. Got my housemy job my property etc. No need for drugshit or alcohol related troubles etc. If you arehappy in your place ? My words above are just bla bla bullshit from someone who doesn'tknow about the life and times in the States..... great. Get a cold beer and smokesomething.....

A BAD joke, not for the kids ;Hollywood did ruin it for you for 100% now ! Their movie ; The Expendables

Holy crap, even Arnie Schwarz is there to (for 13 seconds) and for the rest ? Old boyslike Stalone with an over dose of some hormones. Rourke and some others to. That movie is dangerous ! It is full of hormones it could explode ! Hollywood isn't whatit was, now it's more crap than nice movies. TONS of Rambo Schwartzeneggers.Full of hormones to look like a clown. Asta la vista baby... i'll be back........ People got a wrong idea of America ? You should say thank you Hollywood, CNN etc. etc.

what message?

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

JohnBSails wrote:"....i'm the only who has to die when it's my time to die. so let me live my lifethe way i want to. play on drummer, said jimi hendrix........."

Well, i can only agree for a part. Life isn't always that simple. Hell, i wish it was THATsimple. If i would be living alone ? It was simple like that. But i don't live alone. I haveto take care of certain things. So if i would die people have to change a lot of things toget money. And i can't walk away if the presure would be to much or if i would like tolook for something else. Some men do that but i don't. I wouldn't change my life to,why should i ? I am living in my fathers house, he payed for it. He died 25 years ago.Now it is my property, doesn't cost me my life. If you would feel about the same as i donow, you would be happy to. I did have the chance to turn my hobby into my job.Something computer/Software related. Internet & Networks to. Not a big deal but ilike it. If you feel about the same ? You would be happy to. We share something...Jefferson Airplane. Their music. But not everybody does it the same way. Some peoplehave JA as an excuse to use drugs, they did it so i will do it. Or what ever reason.They did use drugs, but it wasn't their religion/god (i think so !).

Peace... thanx for reading.

...and i like to have dogs around. Belgian Shepherd Dog (Malinois) or German Shepherds.To take a walk in the woods and for protection of my property. They trust me and i'll trustthem to do their job.

well for walking in the woods and protecting my property i have a 9 mm glock, an uzi, an AK-47, 12 gauge pump action shotgun, 7.65 mannlicher carcano, BAR, 45 cal pistol, a luger, thompson submachine gun, a bren gun, a bazooka, several rpg's, M-16, three or four panzerfausts, a collection of bayonets and hunting knives, a samurai sword, an M-60 machine gun, and a Sturmgewehr 44, a T-34 tank and a 155 mm howitzer. do you know where i can get hold of some hand grenades and a torpedo?

Unlike dogs you don' thave to feed them or clean up after them. well maybe you have to feed them bullets and such and clean up the casings but hey they sure do light up the night and give me a great feeling of power, contentment and security

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

usedtobebabson wrote: So with technology we can differentiate between smart bombs and new weapons and war driven medical advancements, vs. cell phones and word processors and computers. Not to mention the socially crippled, Carpal tunnel challenged young folks on the street today.

Goodness me, socially crippled and carpal-tunnel challenged? I wouldn't be so quick to judge my generation, although we certainly have our shortcomings. What we believe has been supplied by corporations, and self-expression has been co-opted. We certainly have limited culture of our own, and we are definitely different from any generation before us in our means of communication. Then again, I wouldn't be judging my generation for it. We aren't the ones selling what counterculture we have to corporations. We're the ones buying it, but that's what we've been trained to do. I feel as though I can speak for my peers to some degree: My peers and I are teenagers-- I'm fourteen years old. I can say confidently that we haven't had time to truly come into our own yet. Soon, perhaps, we will.

"Socially crippled" though seems wholly incorrect to me. On the contrary, we spend more time being social and communicating than possibly any generation before us. We communicate in very different ways, but it doesn't mean we aren't communicating.

Somewhat ironic, isn't it? A forum about a band that rose from the concept of youth revolution is judging today's youth for being different than their generation was.

usedtobebabson wrote: So with technology we can differentiate between smart bombs and new weapons and war driven medical advancements, vs. cell phones and word processors and computers. Not to mention the socially crippled, Carpal tunnel challenged young folks on the street today.

Goodness me, socially crippled and carpal-tunnel challenged? I wouldn't be so quick to judge my generation, although we certainly have our shortcomings. What we believe has been supplied by corporations, and self-expression has been co-opted. We certainly have limited culture of our own, and we are definitely different from any generation before us in our means of communication. Then again, I wouldn't be judging my generation for it. We aren't the ones selling what counterculture we have to corporations. We're the ones buying it, but that's what we've been trained to do. I feel as though I can speak for my peers to some degree: My peers and I are teenagers-- I'm fourteen years old. I can say confidently that we haven't had time to truly come into our own yet. Soon, perhaps, we will.

"Socially crippled" though seems wholly incorrect to me. On the contrary, we spend more time being social and communicating than possibly any generation before us. We communicate in very different ways, but it doesn't mean we aren't communicating.

Somewhat ironic, isn't it? A forum about a band that rose from the concept of youth revolution is judging today's youth for being different than their generation was.

as no less than bob dylan observed in a recent interview:

“It’s peculiar and unnerving in a way to see so many young people walking around with cell phones and iPods in their ears and so wrapped up in media and video games,” Dylan told interviewer Douglas Brinkley, a professor of U.S. history at Rice University in Houston.

“It robs them of their self-identity. It’s a shame to see them so tuned out to real life. Of course they are free to do that, as if that’s got anything to do with freedom. The cost of liberty is high, and young people should understand that before they start spending their life with all those gadgets.”

ultimately what passed and was passed off as a counterculture or youth rebellion or whatever in the 60s was bought and sold as much as whatever there is of it today is. don't let anyone tell you different.

"self-expression has been co-opted" what does that mean? i don't understand the concept. go out and express yourself. it's still america. just because no one may be paying attention or you're not making money for it is immaterial. create the reality you describe (if only for yourself) act out your life. express yourself. what's stopping you?

what is the concept of youth revolution"? the airplane and all that arose from a concept of america and american culture that goes straight back to whitman and beyond. why did dylan appear in paris in 1966 with a giant american flag behind him? why did people like kesey look at lsd as a frontier? why did the charlatans seek an american look and sound in the wake of the british invasion. why did the diggers espouse the idea of free as they did? because they were all americans and part of american culture and not counter to it. and they wanted to express that.

there has never been a revolution in this country.

don't be afraid to think and act for yourself and don't look for it to be in the same old place when it comes around again.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

oldblue wrote:ultimately what passed and was passed off as a counterculture or youth rebellion or whatever in the 60s was bought and sold as much as whatever there is of it today is. don't let anyone tell you different.

I have no trouble believing that. I may state the "love burger" as one example.

oldblue wrote:"self-expression has been co-opted" what does that mean? i don't understand the concept. go out and express yourself. it's still america. just because no one may be paying attention or you're not making money for it is immaterial. create the reality you describe (if only for yourself) act out your life. express yourself. what's stopping you?

Happy to clarify. Well, what I mean is that every shred of counterculture or integrity in our culture seems to end up based in some sort of money-making something. Self-expression is certainly possible on a small scale, but the problem is that whenever anything grows to any degree, some company will jump on it, and often twist it to make more money for themselves. Basically, the concept of grassroots is impossible. Everything will eventually be pulled up from underground, or so it seems. And no, I'm not trying to say that that was never the case in the 60s. I'm not necessarily contrasting-- I'm simply describing my views of the present as opposed to my opinions of the past.

Again, I don't doubt you. Americans themselves have a culture, but it is our generation that lacks any culture of its own. I'm not discussing America as a whole-- simply my generation, which is fed things that other generations have deemed good for us. And here, I'm speaking of things like Disney-channel-type music, and the multitude of brands that have risen from youth culture which began as individualistic.

oldblue wrote:what is the concept of youth revolution"? the airplane and all that arose from a concept of america and american culture that goes straight back to whitman and beyond. why did dylan appear in paris in 1966 with a giant american flag behind him? why did people like kesey look at lsd as a frontier? why did the charlatans seek an american look and sound in the wake of the british invasion. why did the diggers espouse the idea of free as they did? because they were all americans and part of american culture and not counter to it. and they wanted to express that.

there has never been a revolution in this country.

Well, you're correct in that "culture" is a decidedly loose term. I don't know how much culture depends on dissidence, if that is your question. Perhaps I should have used a different word instead to describe the sort of thing I mean. "Identity" might be closer to what I'm trying to say. So far, we have nothing to distinguish us. We have practically nothing unique, and only a little bit of identity we've built for ourselves. Currently, we are a generation almost completely without a face, and I hope that will change as we grow older.

Was there a revolution? I wasn't there, so I can't judge. What I speak of as "youth revolution" (somewhat ironically, I might add) here is the spirit that propelled bands like Airplane to do what they were known best for. It seems to have been a changing state of mind, just about things in general. I didn't witness it firsthand, but I seem to have been raised in its aftermath. Perhaps it wasn't a revolution, but I should hope you consider it a time of change.

oldblue wrote:ultimately what passed and was passed off as a counterculture or youth rebellion or whatever in the 60s was bought and sold as much as whatever there is of it today is. don't let anyone tell you different.

I have no trouble believing that. I may state the "love burger" as one example.

oldblue wrote:"self-expression has been co-opted" what does that mean? i don't understand the concept. go out and express yourself. it's still america. just because no one may be paying attention or you're not making money for it is immaterial. create the reality you describe (if only for yourself) act out your life. express yourself. what's stopping you?

Happy to clarify. Well, what I mean is that every shred of counterculture or integrity in our culture seems to end up based in some sort of money-making something. Self-expression is certainly possible on a small scale, but the problem is that whenever anything grows to any degree, some company will jump on it, and often twist it to make more money for themselves. Basically, the concept of grassroots is impossible. Everything will eventually be pulled up from underground, or so it seems. And no, I'm not trying to say that that was never the case in the 60s. I'm not necessarily contrasting-- I'm simply describing my views of the present as opposed to my opinions of the past.

Again, I don't doubt you. Americans themselves have a culture, but it is our generation that lacks any culture of its own. I'm not discussing America as a whole-- simply my generation, which is fed things that other generations have deemed good for us. And here, I'm speaking of things like Disney-channel-type music, and the multitude of brands that have risen from youth culture which began as individualistic.

oldblue wrote:what is the concept of youth revolution"? the airplane and all that arose from a concept of america and american culture that goes straight back to whitman and beyond. why did dylan appear in paris in 1966 with a giant american flag behind him? why did people like kesey look at lsd as a frontier? why did the charlatans seek an american look and sound in the wake of the british invasion. why did the diggers espouse the idea of free as they did? because they were all americans and part of american culture and not counter to it. and they wanted to express that.

there has never been a revolution in this country.

Well, you're correct in that "culture" is a decidedly loose term. I don't know how much culture depends on dissidence, if that is your question. Perhaps I should have used a different word instead to describe the sort of thing I mean. "Identity" might be closer to what I'm trying to say. So far, we have nothing to distinguish us. We have practically nothing unique, and only a little bit of identity we've built for ourselves. Currently, we are a generation almost completely without a face, and I hope that will change as we grow older.

Was there a revolution? I wasn't there, so I can't judge. What I speak of as "youth revolution" (somewhat ironically, I might add) here is the spirit that propelled bands like Airplane to do what they were known best for. It seems to have been a changing state of mind, just about things in general. I didn't witness it firsthand, but I seem to have been raised in its aftermath. Perhaps it wasn't a revolution, but I should hope you consider it a time of change.

you can only do what you can do. i'd worry about that first before i got hung up on scale.

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

usedtobebabson wrote: So with technology we can differentiate between smart bombs and new weapons and war driven medical advancements, vs. cell phones and word processors and computers. Not to mention the socially crippled, Carpal tunnel challenged young folks on the street today.

Goodness me, socially crippled and carpal-tunnel challenged? I wouldn't be so quick to judge my generation, although we certainly have our shortcomings. What we believe has been supplied by corporations, and self-expression has been co-opted. We certainly have limited culture of our own, and we are definitely different from any generation before us in our means of communication. Then again, I wouldn't be judging my generation for it. We aren't the ones selling what counterculture we have to corporations. We're the ones buying it, but that's what we've been trained to do. I feel as though I can speak for my peers to some degree: My peers and I are teenagers-- I'm fourteen years old. I can say confidently that we haven't had time to truly come into our own yet. Soon, perhaps, we will.

"Socially crippled" though seems wholly incorrect to me. On the contrary, we spend more time being social and communicating than possibly any generation before us. We communicate in very different ways, but it doesn't mean we aren't communicating.

Somewhat ironic, isn't it? A forum about a band that rose from the concept of youth revolution is judging today's youth for being different than their generation was.

Wasn't judging your generation PF, was just stating facts. It only hurts a little bit at first. I am genuinely concerned about face to face communication taking the back door, Obesity running rampant because physical activity takes a backseat to computer games. Medical firms all already counting the bucks on thumb replacement for severe carpal tunnel on texting addiction. So you have all this mostly meaningless technology, which my generation gave you? Or got you to buy a lot of stuff you don't really need. What good is it all if the street and culture of youth are shit? We are not so amazed at this technology as you are because we know it is all 15 year old stuff designed to pacify, only put into much smaller devices now.Again my only question here is what good is it all, if heroine , crack, speed, crypts and bloods and young gunfights and dead bodies are rampant in your streets? for that reason I would go back to the time when better things WERE possible, and more to the point we all felt it, lived it, and brought peace to the streets for a brief time, long enough for me to cherish those years anyways. I know from my son's 30 something generation that these things are only half bad and half the youth. But there is no denying the bad seed dominates the streets today, whereas the good seed dominated the streets, 67 to 79, I would say.

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passingWhere have all the young men gone? Long time agoWhere have all the young men gone? Gone for soldiers every oneWhen will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

1968Orangeburg massacre; Orangeburg, South Carolina - February125 cities in April and May, in response to the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. including:Baltimore riot of 1968; Baltimore Maryland1968 Washington, D.C. riots; Washington, D.C.1968 New York City riot; New York City, New YorkWest Side Riots; Chicago, IllinoisLouisville riots of 1968; Louisville, KentuckySummit, IL Race Riot at Argo High School September 1968

i guess some streets that were mean back then remain that way.

"violence is as american as cherry pie" said h. rap brown

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

JohnBSails wrote:Your country needs a VERY progresive government, not just some boys ! My message foryour president : Clean up your own country first ! Millions for health care and notsome crappy guns. Your country is still doing test with nuclear-weapon-crap ! WHY ?To much money ? If no cares about it, your country will never change. The rich bitcheswill be more rich and the poor people can have 0,50 dollarcent....

The "Peoples" Pet peeve in America, also. Our government feels it's is not doing it's job if the "People" aren't afraid of them.

There were no riots where I was. Riots were THE thing before it got cool to be hip. But the '67 riots and on I missed. Wasn't interested anymore. Could get more fullfilling Cheap Thrills from the non-violent faction of the counter- culture.

So I don't really worry about peace anymore. It has a life of it's own, and you couldn't stop it if you wanted to. If it takes 4 or 5 more generations, doesn't really matter, unless you like Morrison, and "We want the world and we want it,---- NOW...

Non-violence and racism are daily struggles, a no one can wave a magic wand and make it all go away, but a free will unity of people can, only it can't be the turn off old stuff like Christianity, has to be cool to be hip, across all religions, races, ages and power hungry politicians - like it was in the 60s for those who weren't seeking out the riots still...and better still - no one can organize something like this. Just has to start being the cool thing - erasing the imaginary dark side imposed on us by those in power.

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passingWhere have all the young men gone? Long time agoWhere have all the young men gone? Gone for soldiers every oneWhen will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?

Non-violence and racism are daily struggles, a no one can wave a magic wand and make it all go away, but a free will unity of people can, only it can't be the turn off old stuff like Christianity, has to be cool to be hip, across all religions, races, ages and power hungry politicians - like it was in the 60s for those who weren't seeking out the riots still...and better still - no one can organize something like this. Just has to start being the cool thing - erasing the imaginary dark side imposed on us by those in power.

"when the Cream met Savage Rose and Fixable, he was introduced to them by none other than Lifelessness—Lifelessness is the Great Enemy and always wears a hip guard—he is very hipguard…. Lifelessness said when introducing everybody “go save the world” and “involvement! that’s the issue” and things like that and Savage Rose winked at Fixable and the Cream went off with his arm in a sling singing “summertime and the Livin is easy”…"

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." — George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)