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You mean the other commanders? We barely even saw any of them in action.

And I already acknowledged their lack of screen/panel time. But if they were as impressive as Marco, Jozu, and Vista, I'd think Oda would have done more with them.

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Well yeah - they were at a disadvantage. But that doesn't mean you don't have a chance, it just makes it that much harder for them. But then prevailed in the end, didn't they? ( well up until Ace sacrificed himself)

Exactly, which is what I've essentially been telling you this whole time. They were at a disadvantage in both numbers and terrain, and thus they wouldn't be able to win in a fight to the death. The result Oda used was realistic and shouldn't be debated. Moreover, it was Luffy who rescued Ace, not Whitebeard nor his allies.

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Once Ace was free, Whitebeard was free to let loose on the Marines, and as such he held the advantage. Plus they may have lost Ace, but Whitebeard got some nice sweet revenge against the World Government, by all but affirming the existance of One Piece. A small consolation for him i guess.

Whitebeard knew he was going to die. His last wish was to have his family vacate the premises so they could live on. That's not advantageous, especially considering how damaged he was by that point.

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Better to just end that part of the discussion there. Otherwise this could go around in circles.

It shouldn't have gone around in circles in the first place .

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I'm lookin forward to the next episode. Its gonna be 1 helluva episode - they just better do it justice.

I foresee a lot of infuriated users posting here by that time .

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Hey.. Guys.. This is a thought lol.. If Jimbei taken part in the war as a Shichibukai and therefore since he wants to protect the Whitebeard's crew, couldn't he like talk to Ace or something, do a surprise catch to get Ace, can't think of different ways to capture and throw him all the way across the battlefield :S? Since the Shichibukai doesn't really need to listen to the Marines orders, since Hancock was attacking both sides, which is disobeying. So he should have given it abit more thought to it :S, but then again Luffy and them wouldn't be able to get out of the impel prison if he had done that.

Hey.. Guys.. This is a thought lol.. If Jimbei taken part in the war as a Shichibukai and therefore since he wants to protect the Whitebeard's crew, couldn't he like talk to Ace or something, do a surprise catch to get Ace, can't think of different ways to capture and throw him all the way across the battlefield :S? Since the Shichibukai doesn't really need to listen to the Marines orders, since Hancock was attacking both sides, which is disobeying. So he should have given it abit more thought to it :S, but then again Luffy and them wouldn't be able to get out of the impel prison if he had done that.

The only reason Hancock got away with it is because she always acts like that; otherwise she would have lost her position in a heartbeat.

After watching episode 486, how can Blackbeard NOT be the final opponent of this series. His biggest weakness will be of course what Whitebeard already exposed, but damn is it gonna be one hell of a battle when him and Luffy eventually fight. Which will be like 10 years from now.

After watching episode 486, how can Blackbeard NOT be the final opponent of this series. His biggest weakness will be of course what Whitebeard already exposed, but damn is it gonna be one hell of a battle when him and Luffy eventually fight. Which will be like 10 years from now.

Blackbeard is still weak against physical attacks and luffy is good at that so he will get owned:S

After watching episode 486, how can Blackbeard NOT be the final opponent of this series. His biggest weakness will be of course what Whitebeard already exposed, but damn is it gonna be one hell of a battle when him and Luffy eventually fight. Which will be like 10 years from now.

BB is not gonna be the final oppenent. There is more to the story after that.
I reckon Akainu will be the final person he faces off against. But thats just me.

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..... didn't Blackbeard decimate Ace via hand to hand combat?

He seems to take the first hit in EVERY fight he's in, but like Luffy...... once he's in the right mindset, he just rapes everything~

It was his logia powers that allowed him to beat Ace.

Man what an awesome episode this was. I truely detest Akainu and Blackbeard - but love them as villians. Both of them were awesome again today - i totally dig Akainu in that magma form he was in. He looked great.