Jason Reinhardt - this dissapoints me. (if true) However, college kids do some realy really dumb shit, and if this did happen, i am sure Lloyd regrets its terribly. Think about this everyone: First of all, let me say this...I do not condone or even think this kind of thing is the least bit funny nor do i take it lightly. it actually discusts me. (just remember, yes, certain girls do sometimes place themselves in compromising situations and some may say "they asked for it" I don't personally believe any woman "asked for it". Here's what i want to get accross.... just remember, these party girls are someones daughter, someones sister, someones granddaughter ect..., and should be respected as such. If Lloyed was involved in something like this, think of all what he's given back to society. Think of all the kids lives he's touched and changed. Think of all the positive motivation and adult lives he's changed through jiujitsu and martial arts. We have all done stupid shit at one time or another. Some worse than others. That story sickens me. It really does. i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". Lloyd contributes a lot to society in helping improve and touch lives. Perhaps he said to himself, "i have to give back for the mistakes i made"? who knows.

I could give a flying fuck what good has he has done. The past is the past and you can't run from it.

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

This 1000x

Having said that, those other two scumbags that for sure raped that girl in the parking lot need their shit shoved up....

...which I assume they will get done plentifully.

I agree. This is turning into a big witch hunt. Are some people actually saying that even if the girl was willing that they still want string LI up?

The guys in the parking lot need to get beaten and raped but LI had nothing to do with that.

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

Yeah, how do you guys know she didn't like 7 guys fucking her & giving her a little love tap in the kisser. Haven't you ever head of innocent until proven guilty? I mean, what if...

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

Dude, maybe I'm a horrible person, but I definitely knew a girl who got a train run on her, and she was absolutely down with it.

I've also known girls who liked it rough (like "smack me in the face" rough).

I've ALSO known a girl who claimed she got raped because she got drunk and banged a dude, and regretted it. (she later recanted).

So, I'm not saying that it's okay to rape girls, but I'm also not getting all the hate for TimothyTk, or whatever his name is. It's not like it's unthinkable that he's right, you know? The kind of mentally f-d up to be into getting gangbanged it wouldn't shock me if she's the kind to be into rough sex.

Jason Reinhardt - this dissapoints me. (if true) However, college kids do some realy really dumb shit, and if this did happen, i am sure Lloyd regrets its terribly. Think about this everyone: First of all, let me say this...I do not condone or even think this kind of thing is the least bit funny nor do i take it lightly. it actually discusts me. (just remember, yes, certain girls do sometimes place themselves in compromising situations and some may say "they asked for it" I don't personally believe any woman "asked for it". Here's what i want to get accross.... just remember, these party girls are someones daughter, someones sister, someones granddaughter ect..., and should be respected as such. If Lloyed was involved in something like this, think of all what he's given back to society. Think of all the kids lives he's touched and changed. Think of all the positive motivation and adult lives he's changed through jiujitsu and martial arts. We have all done stupid shit at one time or another. Some worse than others. That story sickens me. It really does. i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". Lloyd contributes a lot to society in helping improve and touch lives. Perhaps he said to himself, "i have to give back for the mistakes i made"? who knows.

Before everybody starts getting on Jason's case, I have to say that I see his point. I am a husband and a father. And I am shocked and horrified at what these two guys apparently did, as we all should be. There just aren't two ways about it. If they did what is alleged, they should rot in jail forever.As for what Mr. Irvin allegedly did or didn't do, I would certainly prefer hearing what he has to say before blanketly codemning him. It is not fair to condemn him for such heinous acts without knowing all of (or at least most) of the facts. If he did what he was accused of doing, it will forever taint his reputation, and deservedly so. And his youth or intoxication are no excuse if he did nothing while a woman was raped, even if he wasn't convicted. But here me out. I don't think Jason Reinhardt was trying to excuse Mr. Irvin's conduct in any way. I think we can all remember exercising terrible judgment when we were young. We are each fortunate that our mistakes will never see the light of day. We are free to forget them and move on. We aren't subject to the judgment of ill-informed strangers, casting blame for our worst mistakes. Any person that considers themselves a martial artist should have at least a grudging respect for the things that Lloyd Irvin has accomplished, and his contribution to martial arts. Of course this does not absolve him from any crimes or reprehensible behavior on his part, though I suspect that many will quote me as having said so. But his accomplishments ought to at least afford him an opportunity to be heard, and to put this all into some kind of perspective, of which we have very little. I just don't feel comfortable branding someone a rapist until we get some more facts.

Slowshot - Dude, maybe I'm a horrible person, but I definitely knew a girl who got a train run on her, and she was absolutely down with it.

I've also known girls who liked it rough (like "smack me in the face" rough).

I've ALSO known a girl who claimed she got raped because she got drunk and banged a dude, and regretted it. (she later recanted).

So, I'm not saying that it's okay to rape girls, but I'm also not getting all the hate for TimothyTk, or whatever his name is. It's not like it's unthinkable that he's right, you know? The kind of mentally f-d up to be into getting gangbanged it wouldn't shock me if she's the kind to be into rough sex.

I feel compelled to add that it is far worse to speculate that an alleged "victim" was "down with it". Grow up. When someone says they're raped, can't we all just give that person our compassion until we learn, definitively, that they didn't just make it up? What evidence is there that one of these girls just "liked it rough", or was "down with a train"?

Jason Reinhardt - this dissapoints me. (if true) However, college kids do some realy really dumb shit, and if this did happen, i am sure Lloyd regrets its terribly. Think about this everyone: First of all, let me say this...I do not condone or even think this kind of thing is the least bit funny nor do i take it lightly. it actually discusts me. (just remember, yes, certain girls do sometimes place themselves in compromising situations and some may say "they asked for it" I don't personally believe any woman "asked for it". Here's what i want to get accross.... just remember, these party girls are someones daughter, someones sister, someones granddaughter ect..., and should be respected as such. If Lloyed was involved in something like this, think of all what he's given back to society. Think of all the kids lives he's touched and changed. Think of all the positive motivation and adult lives he's changed through jiujitsu and martial arts. We have all done stupid shit at one time or another. Some worse than others. That story sickens me. It really does. i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". Lloyd contributes a lot to society in helping improve and touch lives. Perhaps he said to himself, "i have to give back for the mistakes i made"? who knows.

Also, it's disgusting that some peoples first reaction, when hearing of a girl that got raped, is that she "asked for it" or is crying wolf -- especially, in this case, when some were convicted of the rape.

Timothyk - Do you really think this girl went over to hang out with a bunch of dudes, and not have sex with any of them? Do you know how many girls have trains run on them? Or like to be hit while fucked? Or lie about rape to soothe parent anger?

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