You dont like it when people edit your articles!!

Ive noticed, Father Andrew, that you dont like it when people edit your articles. you get pissy and then re-edit them back to their old and most times INACURATE form. How are you supposed to help this site if you cant put your own ignorant biases??

Shame on you!!

Baby

Congratulations to you both! We are expecting our little baby girl in mid-October 2006. We might have to swap tips! {{User:Joe Rodgers/sig}} 23:48, August 5, 2006 (CDT)

Working on Bishop Basil entry

Dear ASDamick,

Thank you for your recent changes to the article on Basil (Osborne) of Amphipolis. I'm glad to see us working on this text together. I would like to see it accurately and dispassionately reflect the full state of affairs surrounding this bishop. I think that most of your revisions to my recent update of the text have been very helpful - again, my many thanks for them.

A few points that I think still need some further consideration:

Title: The title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' is contested, and highly controversial. It doesn't seem appropriate for the OrthodoxWiki article on the bishop to take a definitive side one way or the other on this matter. I had altered the text to address this, which you refined nicely. However, I do think it appopriate that the issue is left relatively open, by simply referring to him as 'Bishop Basil' in most cases (e.g. in the caption under the photograph). The title of the article gives him the title 'Bishop of Amphipolis' already, which points things in a certain reading; but I think we need to be wary of giving 'our own blessing' to a matter that is disputed amongst the patriarchates.

Nature of the bishop's retirement: I've corrected the paragraph on the nature of the bishop's forced retirement. This was not made because he sought reception in the EP, but because he sought to do so preemptorily, without canonical release and order.

Title in summary box: In line with my point above on the bishop's title, I think it is only fair / accurate to return the small footnote qualifier on the title in the summary box at the bottom. Not to do so seems to claim, in the article, that the matter is disputed and open, only to go on in the summary information to present it as a closed/decided issue. I think in fairness to the actual situation, this small flag is warranted and not in itself a bias (cf. for example the summary boxes on autocephalous churches on Wikipedia, where a small asterisk is used next to churches whose autocephaly is disputed by some).

I've made edits to the article this morning to account for the above points; I hope they're in general things you approve of (I've made them as separate edits, so you can see the progression).

Thanks for responding to the issue on my talk page; I fear that, in the mood I was in, my response would have been somewhat less than an exhibition of perfect charity. — edited by Pιsτévοtalkcomplaints at 07:13, August 14, 2006 (CDT)

Byzantine response to OCA autocephaly

The bullet lists in Byzantine response to OCA autocephaly: Are they simply listing every single argument made by the Byzantine churches against OCA autocephaly? Because this one really boggles the mind:
" * Moscow's act is an attempt to extend Soviet influence into America. "

This was perhaps tossed out by someone, somewhere, at some time, in an effort to amass as many objections as possible, but it clearly has no bearing whatsoever on the current state of affairs (as the rest of the article appears to). I'm not going to edit it quit yet (since you put it in there), but a footnote or an external link might be appropriate. Otherwise, it's completely spurious except as a historical curiosity which has clearly proven to be laughable.
--Basil 16:16, August 14, 2006 (CDT)

I agree that documentation would be helpful. Historical arguments would be useful to keep in, as they do give some perspective on the historical relations between the two jurisdictions. Fr. John

Return

A nice, subtle change that has not gone unnoticed. I look forward to your inactive partication! — FrJohn (talk)

Welcome back, Deacon Andrew. I missed your discipline on keeping a consistent format for the articles. I mean this sincerely as I looked forward to your catching my "typos". It had kept me on the 'ball' but I still needed a good editor. Wsk 13:57, October 9, 2006 (CDT)

Congrats

I see you signed your last contribution "Father Andrew." Congratulations on your ordination! Gabriela 22:31, October 30, 2006 (CST)

corrupted letters

In editing the page Timeline of Church History with minor edits, the link you added [[bg:Времева лини�? на църковната и�?тори�?]] became corrupted. I would fix it, but the corrupted letters do not display on any of my browsers even if I look at the history. - Andrew 10:04, November 7, 2006 (PST)

AFAIK, this is a known issue with an upgrade to MySQL 5. I'm not enough of a whiz to fix the problem, and the damage is minimal, so we'll have to do it manually... Sorry! — FrJohn (talk)

Interwiki

Hi dear Father, I was leaving off the extra interwiki links for the Mian page until the additional localizations are ready for "Beta" stage, by which I mean that all the necessary documents have been translated... The "release" stage will then be when there are strong enough communities and moderation around these wikis to really launch them - i.e content and spam problems are dealt with quickly. — FrJohn (talk)

Metaxakis entry

Dear Father,
Thank you for pointing out the issues of NPOV and MCB with the last edit I had entered. Of course I agree with having those standards for an encylopedic entry and I would like to see a better product along the lines you suggest. However I do have a few comments if i may.

I feel that the substance of what was written - about the agenda of the Pan Orthodox Congress of 1923 - actually was accurate and unbiased; after all history is history, and if those were the subjects that were tabled at that congress, it is a matter of history and a very important matter at that, and information which every Orthodox Christian today has a right to be informed and aware of. Im sure you agree that to simply list the items of the agenda as they were, is, I think is a neutral approach (i.e. "here is what what was proposed in 1923: 1, 2, 3, 4,..etc, in fact seven changes in all.) Not sure how else to word that part of it, it is what it is; some subjects such as this particular example, may not be neutral in themselves, and for us to attempt to make them so or omit them risks the error of creating our own modern bias instead, a risk every historian is aware of. The writing of history must be impartial, whether the historical facts in themselves are or arent impartial to us is another matter. I agree that the source timeline that I located the information on would be NPOV/MCB, however as for the information in itself, it is either factual or it is isn't (fabricated)....in other words there was no editing or personal opinions presented with that list, just the list of proposals in 1923 itself . And I remember seeing a similar list of items (from the 1923 congress) years ago on an OCA site, which I cannot find now. And so for this reason I believe it is necessary and important to have this part included for the complete and unbiased picture.

As for the second section I had entered (comparative study), which included a link to a site which detailed things about Metaxakis' early Masonic involvement right down to his troubled death, yes it too did not come from a MCB site, and that will need to be re-worked as you commented, perhaps with more research from other sources; but it too presented disturbing details, which in themselves were by nature * not neutral * (i.e. if he attained 33rd degree in 1909 that's important; if he was buried with Masonic honours in 1935 that fact too is important). It is doubtful how much other written research exists on this subject, at least in English.

At any rate I appreciate the direction. Would be interested in what you think. Cheers,
Chris.

Thanks and congrats

HC invasion

Yes, indeed, we have descended. Our social ethics project has been, basically, to make sure that there were articles written for just about every article under the Ethics section. This is the first phase, followed by a review by the professor, after which you can expect changes to these articles (whether or not they've been worked on by other people in the mean time). Vandrona

Baby

Congrat's on the birth of your first child!--AKCGY 15:08, March 5, 2007 (PST)

Congratulations from the Andronaches, as well. Magda also wants me to add that she approves of March births :) Vandrona 15:31, March 5, 2007 (PST)

Aww, wow! I wish you and especially your wife the best of luck. You're going to have your hands full, I'm sure. I can't even imagine the responsibility. Gabriela 20:34, March 5, 2007 (PST)

Thanks

Julian

I Hope I'm Doing this Right

Hello Fr. Andrew,
We have communicated via e-mail before. In fact, I recall you asking me years ago to get involved in this site. Now that I am starting to figure out how it works I will finally try to do so.

See the above comments

I finally figured out the right way. My comments above were added a longer route.

Versions of names

Bless father.
I am asking wich versions of names I should to use? I was using Serbian versions, because in articles abut St. Sava, St. Nikolaj etc were used Serbian versions. Now I was told to use English versions. I am confused. Literature in english uses more often Serbian versions.
Ddpbf March 20, 17:24 (CET)

Interwiki

It seams that ww have problems with inter wiki on serbian page. From English to Serbian it works good but problem.--Ddpbf 10:20, March 27, 2007 (PDT)

images' deletion

Dear father your blessing.
returning from Mt. Athos yesterday i found your notice about the deletion of my images because of tags' lack. i'm not at all familiar with all that electronic-copyright-jargon and i'm not sure whether the corrections i did will work. i hope i'm not troubling you too much with my ignorance.
may the Holy Week and Easter brings light in your family and to you personally.

both images are personal and i have the only original copies. truly i'm not cognizant of copyright policies and i used what i thought as probably more appropriate (i used the commons one because i read i had to do it).
again, i'm relly sory for all that mess.

Kallistos Ware

I arrived at his article and was surprised to find that his elevation to Metropolitan had already been updated. Kudos.

I was at a lecture hosted by His Eminence earlier today at Greek Orthodox Church of Our Savior in Rye, NY. The parish priest who introduced him mentioned to the audience that "Bishop" Ware was unaware of his elevation until the priest told him upon his arrival. Thus was I bemused at reading your update. Just out of curiosity, were you at the lecture as well? One of the brother priests perhaps? (There were quite a few other priests, and even a Romanian bishop) Or did you come upon the information some other way?

Capthca for registration

As they claim, Capcha at account creation would prevent these spam bots. --JohnK 06:47, April 11, 2007 (PDT)

Re: Thank you!

Christ Is Risen! Thank you very much, Father Andrew, for your kind words. Yours in Christ, --Arbible 09:01, April 13, 2007 (PDT)

Article Titles

Father Andrew,
I have been working on articles concerning Irene, wife of Leo IV, and Theodora, wife of Theophilus. I am about ready to post them on Orthodoxwiki, but I need good titles for the articles. To avoid too much work establishing titles on the web, I've sought your opinion as you have done so well in maintaining discipline of styles among all our articles. I find identifying many saints confusing with many of the saints having different titles applied to them.

I notice that Wikipedia uses title of their names and a century when they lived, to avoid similarities with other Irenes and Theodoras. These seem bland, but I haven't found any Orthodox source on the web that provides distinct identification for these saints! I noticed in some edits you made to Orthodoxwiki articles that you seem to follow the Wikipedia practice. The Orthodox church sites haven't been any help.

Following the practice of Theodora (Justinian's wife) does not appear reasonable for Irene or Theodora as their husbands were "Iconoclasts".
For Irene, many if not a majority of the sites identify Irene as "Irene of Athens". I have been thinking of using this as a title for her. Another could be "Irene the Iconodule or Iconophile". For Theodora the Iconodule/iconophile would fit nicely.

Your comments and suggestions are solicited.

In passing I notice Irene's feast day does not appear on the calendar of saints, August 9 . An Irene appears for August 13, but after some investiagation this saint appears to be a "Princess of Constantinople-tonsured Xenia with a date of 1124". This confused me for a while!

Thanks, Father. I think we are on the same path.Wsk 18:13, April 15, 2007 (PDT)

?????Licensing

What is going on? I just noticed that you changed the license agreement from being able to export to not being able to export? Right after I quoted it for the exports to Wikipedia I did this morning. What or who grants licensing for Orthodox wiki and how do I get in touch with them? Also what part makes the dual license incompatible and doesn't that violate using the wiki engine?
LoveMonkey 13:02, April 24, 2007 (PDT)

1. The wiki engine has nothing to do with licensing. It's just a piece of software.

2. I just clarified the existing terms more explicitly, since I saw that there was some disagreement going on over at Wikipedia on the subject.

3. Licensing on OrthodoxWiki was defined by the administration within the first year of its inception. It is unlikely to be changed at this point, since so many edits here have been contributed under its terms. (This same message is being posted on your talk page.) —Fr. Andrewtalkcontribs 14:10, April 24, 2007 (PDT)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for helping us sort out the copyright mess over at wikipedia. -- Pastordavid 09:18, April 25, 2007 (PDT)

Deletions

Thanks I see your following right behind me. I would delete them myself, but... I'm glad that you're apparently patrolling Special:Recentchanges. Koavf 16:18, May 2, 2007 (PDT)

el.orthodox.org

Fistly, I'd like to thank you for your answer. Secondly, if I've undestood well your explanation, I should propose el:User:kostisl appointed for host -if he wishes. He has already done excellent work on Orthodoxy in greek wikipedia, and he is the proper person I thing for this kind of job. I wish you the best--Kalogeropoulos 06:22, May 25, 2007 (PDT)

You dont like it when people edit your articles!!

You dont like it when people edit your articles!!

Ive noticed, Father Andrew, that you dont like it when people edit your articles. you get pissy and then re-edit them back to their old and most times INACURATE form. How are you supposed to help this site if you cant put your own ignorant biases??