well, if i'm interpreting "straight up punk" to be punk rock, you could argue that dropkick murphys belong more to the
celtic punk movement; the undertones to the pop-punk scene, at least to a larger extent then descendents; and if
you're referring to pink flag when you say 'early wire' because you sure as hell can't mean chairs missing or 154, even
that has strong post-punk undertones.

stiff little fingers and x-ray spex yeah. i dislike vice squad but i'd not disagree with your branding of them. no idea who
youth brigade are so i can't comment.

Youth Brigade = 80's Green Day. The Undertones are only punk-pop if you consider the Ramones punk-pop, which I don't. Yes I meant Pink Flag. Fair point about the DKM's, although something like Flogging Molly is more blatantly 'celtic-punk' than them.

Ironically, I would say that if anything, the Spex are not exactly punk, as they use a sexophone and some distinctly hard-rockish guitar tones.

i mean your opinions are a retarded mishmash of conservatism (certain guitar tones and instruments = not exactly punk!) and total ignorance (the comment above). nice job citing 2 actual hardcore bands to back up your assertion

^ yeah pretty much. Great first choice btw, Not many no of Big Black, superb album. list is alright, good inclusion of Raw Power, Rock to Light (although I would have put their self titled) and Daydream Nation.