According to NFL.com this morning, "sources" close to Sherman claim he's telling friends he accidentally ingested adderall from a teammate's water bottle (the teammate has a script for it). Now, this screws him, since honestly, there is no intent in the PED policy, you're either dirty or clean. Sherman will probably be out.

Browner is claiming that the urinalysis process was messed up, claiming "he saw the person dump urine from one container into another". This is common, but if one of the containers isn't clean, then he has a case. I don't know anything about Adderall, but if it stays in your system for a while, and Browner is claiming there is a flawed process, then I can't see how the league would let him retest immediately. If he comes up clean, then he's good.

So there is some good news brewing I hope. Honestly, Sherm is a smart guy, and as confident as he's been on twitter, I figured for sure that he was innocent, knowing you really can't beat these drug tests, or come up with a plausible excuse if you're dirty. There have been players buying stuff over the counter that have been suspended, and that's perfectly legal. Taking prescription medication without said prescription is technically illegal, depending on the substance.

I'm hoping at least Browner is exonerated. After all, no system is perfect and people make mistakes, so I can honestly see some cases where the player really doesn't know how he is dirty, and it's a mistake.

It would be smart of him to not say anything, that's for sure. Either they're dirty, or it's really fishy that both of our outstanding CBs got nailed at the same time, in the middle of a playoff race. Maybe there is something to all those conspiracy theories.

It clears out of your system pretty fast, especially if you take vitamin c. It will clear out even faster. A retest at this point would be pretty worthless. That is why they take a "b" or sometimes even a "c" sample and freeze it. If he came up positive on the instant test with the strips in the cup, then they would have had him sit around and take another sample once he was ready (they hydrate and if they can't/won't produce a sample then it goes down as a failed test... just like if you refuse a breathalyzer). That sample would be sent off to a lab for a confirmation of the "a" sample.

This is if the NFL follows standard drug test protocol. They may have slightly different ways, but this is the most common when drug testing. When I was an administrator in a school we had a guy that had to get tested regularly due to a conviction. He was a custodian and he had a strike against him, but was able to keep his job because he never came to work under the influence, he had gotten arrested, reported himself to the district immediately, but came up with a drug of abuse (not one that he was necessarily abusing, but one that could be used as such) in his system. So I'd have to excuse him to head off for his drug test once a week and make sure he arrived back on time. What a hassle.

Ah, didn't think of multiple samples. Testing in the Marines was a lot different, since they were testing for narcotics and THC, which stays in your system a lot longer, and makes restesting a bit more valid.

It also explains the rampant use of Adderall. If a guy knows he's getting testing on Thurs, he can quit using and hopefully flush it out of his system by then. Conversely, you almost never see guys nailed for pot anymore, unless they are partying before the combine, lol.

Adderall and other amphetamines have water soluble metabolites and are excreted from the body within a couple days. In order to test dirty, someone would have to ingest it not long before a test is administered.

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half-life is 10hrs; meaning if you ingest 30-40mg (common daily dosage for adults) at noon, you have 15-20mg in your system at 10p; 7.5-10mg at 8a following day, etc. Now, if you're taking it regularly, you're going to have a bit more of an issue getting clean quicker. Same goes for marijuana, opiates, etc.

SharkHawk wrote:It clears out of your system pretty fast, especially if you take vitamin c. It will clear out even faster. A retest at this point would be pretty worthless. That is why they take a "b" or sometimes even a "c" sample and freeze it. If he came up positive on the instant test with the strips in the cup, then they would have had him sit around and take another sample once he was ready (they hydrate and if they can't/won't produce a sample then it goes down as a failed test... just like if you refuse a breathalyzer). That sample would be sent off to a lab for a confirmation of the "a" sample.

This is if the NFL follows standard drug test protocol. They may have slightly different ways, but this is the most common when drug testing. When I was an administrator in a school we had a guy that had to get tested regularly due to a conviction. He was a custodian and he had a strike against him, but was able to keep his job because he never came to work under the influence, he had gotten arrested, reported himself to the district immediately, but came up with a drug of abuse (not one that he was necessarily abusing, but one that could be used as such) in his system. So I'd have to excuse him to head off for his drug test once a week and make sure he arrived back on time. What a hassle.

yep. You usually make them provide a sample large enough to cover both samples. The current DOT regulations is a 2 sample test. Obviously the NFL might do things a bit differently. I hope this all gets resolved sooner rather than later even if they are suspended. If say they aren't suspended until after the Cards game than they would be gone for the 1st playoff game if were lucky enough to get that far.

OneLofaTatupu wrote:half-life is 10hrs; meaning if you ingest 30-40mg (common daily dosage for adults) at noon, you have 15-20mg in your system at 10p; 7.5-10mg at 8a following day, etc. Now, if you're taking it regularly, you're going to have a bit more of an issue getting clean quicker. Same goes for marijuana, opiates, etc.

Accidentally ingesting Adderall is a terrible, terrible argument.

Doc told me that Vitamin C makes its half life even shorter, which he told me for the reason of if I felt jittery to drink OJ and it would eliminate faster. But he also said that I couldn't have my morning OJ because it could flush the meds fast. I stopped drinking OJ in the AM and my adderall worked much better. But if I felt it was still "working" at night when I was ready for sleep I'd drink 8 oz. of orange or grape juice and within an hour the medicine was completely gone from my system (it was there... but you know what I mean, not enough to keep me awake) and I could go to sleep.

I am sure if I know this, then NFL players do too. They may be megadosing vitamin C on Sunday right after the game in hopes they are clear by test day, which I am assuming is typically a Tuesday or Wednesday since a lot of teams have Mondays off.

Now here is a thought. We all have heard the report on sherman saying he refuts the usa today info on drinking from the teammates bottle that adderal in it. Im thinking more along the lines that if they were dumping in the speimens to another container, and it contaminted it from the one who actually does have a prescription for the adderal, that it could of contaminated both browners and shermans tests, which cause the false negatives. Its just a thought and could be real likely that they are both innocent on it. And it was the failure of the test takers on containmating there tests. More then likely they would of taken the tests right after each other, so if one came out dirty could of contaimneted theres as well.

HawkDabz wrote:Now here is a thought. We all have heard the report on sherman saying he refuts the usa today info on drinking from the teammates bottle that adderal in it. Im thinking more along the lines that if they were dumping in the speimens to another container, and it contaminted it from the one who actually does have a prescription for the adderal, that it could of contaminated both browners and shermans tests, which cause the false negatives. Its just a thought and could be real likely that they are both innocent on it. And it was the failure of the test takers on containmating there tests. More then likely they would of taken the tests right after each other, so if one came out dirty could of contaimneted theres as well.

Hawks46 wrote:According to NFL.com this morning, "sources" close to Sherman claim he's telling friends he accidentally ingested adderall from a teammate's water bottle (the teammate has a script for it). Now, this screws him, since honestly, there is no intent in the PED policy, you're either dirty or clean. Sherman will probably be out.

Browner is claiming that the urinalysis process was messed up, claiming "he saw the person dump urine from one container into another". This is common, but if one of the containers isn't clean, then he has a case. I don't know anything about Adderall, but if it stays in your system for a while, and Browner is claiming there is a flawed process, then I can't see how the league would let him retest immediately. If he comes up clean, then he's good.

So there is some good news brewing I hope. Honestly, Sherm is a smart guy, and as confident as he's been on twitter, I figured for sure that he was innocent, knowing you really can't beat these drug tests, or come up with a plausible excuse if you're dirty. There have been players buying stuff over the counter that have been suspended, and that's perfectly legal. Taking prescription medication without said prescription is technically illegal, depending on the substance.

I'm hoping at least Browner is exonerated. After all, no system is perfect and people make mistakes, so I can honestly see some cases where the player really doesn't know how he is dirty, and it's a mistake.

Why would someone put Adderral in a water bottle? its just a pill? Credibility is waninig on that! water bottle? you cant get second hand high from water bottle, and that would have to be a shitload of adderrol if that were the case. that is extremely diluted then!

Journalism is dead, it's been replaced by creative writing aka fake news.Critical thinking is pretty much dead too. I miss the hearsay rule. The concept of "ethic" has been stripped from the Journalism curriculum.

Largent80 wrote:I took acid when I was 17 and when I got home late from a concert my dad confronted me. I lied and told him I had bitten a chocolate bar that had lsd on it.

He wasn't buying it, and I am not buying what Sherman is selling.

Except that is not what Sherman said. He denies the waterbottle story as false.

Let's wait and see what happens.

I don't understand why people aren't realizing that this story about the water bottle holds no merit. It's been reported that Sherman has completely denied this story and says it's not true. Basically it sounds like someone took info from a source who really had no info and ran with it to grab headlines.

I really wish people would stop referring to the tainted water bottle story as if it's a fact.

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CaptainSkybeard wrote:Hate to remind you all this, but can't Lynch still get suspended for the DUI thing? They could really screw us and time that at the same time as Browner and Sherman...

Lynch won't get suspended until the conclusion of the legal side of his case. He pleaded not guilty. It is currently making it's way through the courts. Earliest you can expect him suspended is next year.

Had he pleaded guilty, he likely would have faced his league punishment already.

CaptainSkybeard wrote:Hate to remind you all this, but can't Lynch still get suspended for the DUI thing? They could really screw us and time that at the same time as Browner and Sherman...

Lynch won't get suspended until the conclusion of the legal side of his case. He pleaded not guilty. It is currently making it's way through the courts. Earliest you can expect him suspended is next year.

Had he pleaded guilty, he likely would have faced his league punishment already.

Largent80 wrote:I took acid when I was 17 and when I got home late from a concert my dad confronted me. I lied and told him I had bitten a chocolate bar that had lsd on it.

He wasn't buying it, and I am not buying what Sherman is selling.

I don't know man,,I was drug tested for a job in Everett Wa. and came up positive, and everyone that knows me knows that I don't use ANYTHING that isn't prescribed by my Doc,,Hell, I don't even eat cupcakes with poppy seeds because that could produce a positive.No, I ain't a goody-two-shoes T-totaler cuz I do drink my fair share, I just hadn't been useing/drinking prior to taking that test that came back saying otherwise.

I'm not saying that these guys aren't bullsh*ting, but I do know what it feels like to be wrongfully accused, so I am going to withhold my opinion for now.

Here we go with another source, but right off of NFL.com's front page:

"There are indications, according to a source, that appellate hearings might not take place for several weeks, which would allow Browner and Sherman to compete through most of the regular season -- at the least. Players can continue to work until the entire appeal process is complete."

I have actually done the adderall in a water beverage more than a few times when i took the stuff. It seemed more effective to let it dissolve to help monitor my intake rather than having to break up the pill into smaller parts. I used mostly Gatorade since it helps rehydrate as you are dehydrating yourself from the pills.

It is possible that Sherman is telling the truth, though highly unlikely in my opinion. The problem is the league won't care either way. The strange coincidence to me only eludes to the fact that Browner and Sherman are boys, so they probably took it together. The appeals could be strategic as our FO probably thinks it's better to have them for the Chicago game, than our last game at home against the Rams. It also gives us time to get some sort of a game plan together with their absence. My guess is that they will both be suspended for our last 4 games.

For the record, the worst decision I have ever made in my life was to put that crap in my system. It truly can ruin your life.

OneLofaTatupu wrote:half-life is 10hrs; meaning if you ingest 30-40mg (common daily dosage for adults) at noon, you have 15-20mg in your system at 10p; 7.5-10mg at 8a following day, etc. Now, if you're taking it regularly, you're going to have a bit more of an issue getting clean quicker. Same goes for marijuana, opiates, etc.

Accidentally ingesting Adderall is a terrible, terrible argument.

Drug testing doesn't typically involve testing for the substance itself, but rather, the metabolites left in your system after it's been processed by your body. The metabolites of things like opioids, cocaine, meth, and prescription amphetamines are water soluble so they are carried out of your body quite rapidly through the renal system. Things like pot and barbiturates have fat soluble metabolites, causing them to be stored almost indefinitely in fat cells. Typical retention for fat soluble metabolites is two weeks but can be virtually any length of time if the individual in question is overweight or lives a sedentary lifestyle.

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It would be smart of him to not say anything, that's for sure. Either they're dirty, or it's really fishy that both of our outstanding CBs got nailed at the same time, in the middle of a playoff race. Maybe there is something to all those conspiracy theories.

Ummmmmm.. No.They are conspiracy theories for a season... There usually wrong and are used as an excuse for some fans who's teams lost or are pissed off at something.

It would be smart of him to not say anything, that's for sure. Either they're dirty, or it's really fishy that both of our outstanding CBs got nailed at the same time, in the middle of a playoff race. Maybe there is something to all those conspiracy theories.

didnt they get tested sometime in september not in the middle of our playoff race

I would rather they have one admit it, and one appeal. Get the suspension out of the way for one of them now...then, maybe we could lessen the impact of the suspensions and keep at least one of our top shutdown CBs out there at a time?

thought I read somewhere Browner is already in a program for his 2005 Broncos abuse and he's tested 2-3 times weekly already, so thee was a 2 day window somewhere along the line where he slipped in some adderall and league was magically there to test him? doesn't make any sense, a false positive agent or adderall can easily be slipped into a beverage while your eating at a restaurant or wherever

something seems amiss about this entire situation especially in regards to Browner who i feel would NEVER jeopardize his career for a one time thing when he is already playing very, he doesn't need any enhancers and I highly doubt Sherman does as well, I feel if these two are to be evaluated then EVERY single player in the NFL is to be evaluated!

I call foul..

BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

just doesn't make any sense considering there are WAY better, safer and LEGAL performance enhancement methods out there!

sheesh, the right combinations of amino acids and you can acquire way better results with zero side effects, as long as you get the 6 to 3 ratio correct, way better brain function, more efficient metabolism and more.

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert but I will say about the only thing illegal steroids are good for any more is when a weight lifter or body builder who wants to put on a large amount of body mass in a SHORT period of time, again the negatives out weight the benefits even in that scenario, I know too many that have taken roids for that very same reason but discontinued due to side effects

natural alternatives offer way better results for an nfl defender than any illegal steroid can offer, period! do some homework, visit a body building forum and see what they are using for enhancements, most are legal and beneficial to your health.

Twisted wrote:thought I read somewhere Browner is already in a program for his 2005 Broncos abuse and he's tested 2-3 times weekly already, so thee was a 2 day window somewhere along the line where he slipped in some adderall and league was magically there to test him? doesn't make any sense, a false positive agent or adderall can easily be slipped into a beverage while your eating at a restaurant or wherever

something seems amiss about this entire situation especially in regards to Browner who i feel would NEVER jeopardize his career for a one time thing when he is already playing very, he doesn't need any enhancers and I highly doubt Sherman does as well, I feel if these two are to be evaluated then EVERY single player in the NFL is to be evaluated!

I call foul..

BTW, I have a friend and sister who were both treated with adderall when they were very young like 8 for ADHD, a hypertension disorder, its more of a Thorazine type drug if anything, at least in their case, and the side effects weren't worth the effort, massive migraines, lack of comprehension, fatigue, focus issues, most that take it report it makes them feel horrible

just doesn't make any sense considering there are WAY better, safer and LEGAL performance enhancement methods out there!

sheesh, the right combinations of amino acids and you can acquire way better results with zero side effects, as long as you get the 6 to 3 ratio correct, way better brain function, more efficient metabolism and more.

I'm not going to claim I'm an expert but I will say about the only thing illegal steroids are good for any more is when a weight lifter or body builder who wants to put on a large amount of body mass in a SHORT period of time, again the negatives out weight the benefits even in that scenario, I know too many that have taken roids for that very same reason but discontinued due to side effects

natural alternatives offer way better results for an nfl defender than any illegal steroid can offer, period! do some homework, visit a body building forum and see what they are using for enhancements, most are legal and beneficial to your health.

I am convinced. There is a position for you on the 2013 Seattle Seahawks Medical Training, Strength, and Conditioning Staff.

It is like saying "I was in the room where they were smoking weed" for a positive test for it.

It just seems bizzarre that they both would be positive at the same day same time.

I'm curious how he knew it was an acid high? Except for purple haze, trippy, and Mr. Natural where I laughed at every stupid little thing for hours on end, one might be able to mistake the effects for anything. Unless of course he had some prior experience, catching your older siblings maybe? Or did they tell on you?