The "they" and "why" of the chemtrails

Originally posted by adeclerk
I have a few questions for the chemtrail believers.

Who is the "they" in the chemtrail conspiracy? Is it the government? Terrorist organizations? Other groups?

Given the number of aircraft involved, and global range of alleged spraying, it's must be a massively powerful international group, bigger than the
illuminati or NWO. Possibly aliens with unlimited resources at their disposal?

If the spraying is suppossed to be a covert operation, why have they created "chemtrails" that behave in the same way as a normal contrail?
(And for those who claim chemtrails behave differently from normal contrails, why did they design "chemtrails" that are so obvious, isn't it a covert
operation?)

the point I keep making - I'm unaware of any form of high level spraying that would normally visible from the ground. Therefore they must be
deliberately making the substances they spray act exactly the same as normal jet engine exhausts in order to draw attention to what they are doing
.....

A lot of chemtrail believers state that they can tell the difference between a "chemtrail" and a contrail, and yet no photographic evidence
exists. Can someone show me a photo of a "chemtrail" and a photo of a contrail, and explain how they look different?

A chemtrail looks like a chemtrail and is different from a contrail because a chemtrail beleiver says so.

Since chemtrail believers do not trust the opinion of NASA, the USAF and other government organizations who have published documents that
dispel the chemtrail myth, why do you accept the hypothetical paper "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" from the USAF
Academy as evidence of spraying?

Because they want to: all evidence is false/fake/unreliable except that which supports their conjecture

I hear a lot of talk of debunkers being "disinfo agents" and "shills". My question for the believers is who is paying these disinfo agents
and what is the motivation for the debunkers to perpetuate a lie that may be killing their friends and family? What has stopped one of these "shills"
from using the "inside information" (that they would surely have) to blow the lid off of the whole chemtrail conspiracy?

No-one - we do it all for fun!

Finally, why do chemtrail believers require no evidence to support the existence of chemtrails, and yet they ask for "evidence" or "proof"
that spraying is not occurring. Seems a little odd to me.

To Bob
I have seen lots of documentation such as copies of patents, congressional bills, videos of several weather modification companies, including one with
a pilot speaking to the chemtrail investigator, videos and writings by scientists regarding air/water/soil quality and ramifications of chemical
spraying, etc. There's lots of evidence you just need to google more. If you go to aircrap.org or chemtruth you can get access to lots of info to
enlighten you to the sad reality of chemtrails. Personally, I believe that the spraying is for multiple reasons such as: weather modification,
obscuring the ability to pick up radar, and I also believe that sometimes they are spraying biological pathogens as evidenced by human blood cells,
and fungal pathogens being found in the cultures- see Clifford Carnicoms studies. www.carnicom.com... But, I may be wrong, because they are not
telling us why or even that they are deliberately spraying. I find it criminal that we are not allowed the choice to decide whether we want this
stuff in our skies, the air that we breathe. And now we have the radiation from Japan coming over here. We live in a chemical soup and our health
is starting to decline. I have noticed much more illness lately, how about you?

To Bob
I have seen lots of documentation such as copies of patents, congressional bills, videos of several weather modification companies, including one with
a pilot speaking to the chemtrail investigator, videos and writings by scientists regarding air/water/soil quality and ramifications of chemical
spraying, etc. There's lots of evidence you just need to google more. If you go to aircrap.org or chemtruth you can get access to lots of info to
enlighten you to the sad reality of chemtrails. Personally, I believe that the spraying is for multiple reasons such as: weather modification,
obscuring the ability to pick up radar, and I also believe that sometimes they are spraying biological pathogens as evidenced by human blood cells,
and fungal pathogens being found in the cultures- see Clifford Carnicoms studies. www.carnicom.com... But, I may be wrong, because they are not
telling us why or even that they are deliberately spraying. I find it criminal that we are not allowed the choice to decide whether we want this
stuff in our skies, the air that we breathe. And now we have the radiation from Japan coming over here. We live in a chemical soup and our health
is starting to decline. I have noticed much more illness lately, how about you?

Why is your source showing persistent contrails, and trying to pass them off as "chemtrails?"

Would you consider Clifford Carnicoms a reliable source if he is making false statements about contrails, showing that he has no knowledge of
meteorology or could formation?

Persistent contrails develop at a high cloud level as opposed to the altocumulus clouds that develop at the middle level. In addition, the
persistent contrails that linger are often spread out into a thin and wispy appearance characteristic of cirrus clouds. Therefore, contrails actually
can produce cirrus clouds. This is actually one of the areas which scientists are looking at: how often do contrails spread into natural
cirrus-looking patterns. Sometimes, it is difficult to determine whether a cirrus cloud has developed naturally or as a result of the spreading of a
contrail.

Contrails are man-made clouds that only form
at very high altitudes (usually above 8 km) where the
air is extremely cold (less than –40°C). If the air is
very dry, they do not form behind the plane. If the
air is somewhat moist, a contrail will form
immediately behind the aircraft and make a bright
white line that lasts for a short while. Persistent
contrails will form immediately behind the
airplane in very moist air. These long-lived
contrails will usually grow wider and fuzzier as
time passes. Sometimes they will actually take on
the characteristics of a natural cirrus cloud and no
longer look like contrails after only a half hour or
so. Persistent contrails can exist long after the
airplane that made them has left the area. They
can last for a few minutes or longer than a day.

Why would people spend hours a day and so much energy orchestrating threads and organizing commentators to get people to believe chemtrails are
harmless contrails unless they were getting paid to do so? I mean what’s the reward for all that time and effort if not money? Knowing that you gave
another soul some peace of mind about what’s floating in the skies? Certainly not! The more of these threads I see the more sinister this chemtrail
conspiracy appears.

Why is your source showing persistent contrails, and trying to pass them off as "chemtrails?"

Not only that, but unless I am mistaken, that looks mostly just like a frontal system coming across, as the lower clouds come across. And the idea
that the contrails are coming down when you can still see them high in the sky really makes the whole idea laughable. You would really think anyone
who knows anything about clouds would know that.

Originally posted by soleprobe
Why would people spend hours a day and so much energy orchestrating threads and organizing commentators to get people to believe chemtrails are
harmless contrails unless they were getting paid to do so?

Why would people spend hours a day and so much energy orchestrating threads and organizing commentators to get people to believe harmless contrails
are chemtrails unless they were getting paid to do so?

Originally posted by soleprobe
Why would people spend hours a day and so much energy orchestrating threads and organizing commentators to get people to believe chemtrails are
harmless contrails unless they were getting paid to do so? I mean what’s the reward for all that time and effort if not money? Knowing that you gave
another soul some peace of mind about what’s floating in the skies? Certainly not! The more of these threads I see the more sinister this chemtrail
conspiracy appears.

excellent point! but wait, why are you here? what is your agenda? Who is paying you to post here? I smell conspiracy! It's in the air!!!! WHAT
IS YOUR MOTIVATION!!!!!!!!!

I am scared, I need to adjust my foil hat and find a dark corner to hide in!!!

True - but if it helps a few "undecided" people examine the evidence and come to a logical conclusion instead of believing a hysterical paranoid
hoax then I think it is a useful service to the public - so S&F

This is a conspiracy website right? So the liklihood is the vast majority would be in the believers or non-believers camp. Okay there will be a small
number sitting on the fence, but these would be minimal.

So it is either the OP's waste of time posting on here, or he feels that if he posts his opinion often enough the majority of the believers will
convert. What a great service to the public, how many lives has it saved?

What are the dis-believers so afraid of? Why do they continuously start threads like this? If you don't believe it, then good for you.

What harm are the believers doing to anyone? Are you afraid that this conspiracy is becoming more apparent to people and they have started using sites
like this one to research more about the subject?

If, like all dis-believers state, that there are no differences between contrails and chemtrails, then why do you bother wasting your time on telling
everybody to move on, nothing to see here? If there are no more trails in the sky than before or there are no differences to these trails, then why
waste your time in defending it?

Why are more and more people believing that chemtrails exist? I mean there isn't much about it in the MSM is there? So maybe, people are noticing and
waking up and asking what really is going on.

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