tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post8623750519343759677..comments2020-06-06T22:56:40.968+01:00Comments on Plymothian Transit: Step Backdidbygrahamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-66498300263669893122015-07-22T12:29:49.013+01:002015-07-22T12:29:49.013+01:00There&#39;s no deal, Stagecoach have put their car...There&#39;s no deal, Stagecoach have put their cards on the table. If PCB now want to reorganise their routes and move drivers/vehicles elsewhere in their network (say to bolster certain routes) that&#39;s up to them. We can all speculate what&#39;s likely to transpire but it won&#39;t happen because of any &#39;deal&#39;.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-50737493755717924742015-07-22T11:59:53.526+01:002015-07-22T11:59:53.526+01:00&quot;I think there is some kind of deal going on ...&quot;I think there is some kind of deal going on somewhere on who goes what route.. illegal or not..lol.&quot;<br /><br />What you are actually referring to is a cartel, which would be illegal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-89875705414581499722015-07-21T21:38:28.785+01:002015-07-21T21:38:28.785+01:00Anonymous 1856 aka James dingle, I have done my ho...Anonymous 1856 aka James dingle, I have done my homework thanks having worked for first and Citybus for 20 odd years I work full time so can safely say I am more of an authority then you peering out your bedroom window counting non-existent passengers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-85389713709130306522015-07-21T21:21:28.896+01:002015-07-21T21:21:28.896+01:00i think there is some kind of deal going on somewh...i think there is some kind of deal going on somewhere on who goes what route.. illegal or not..lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-49898373294991804082015-07-21T18:56:44.822+01:002015-07-21T18:56:44.822+01:00some one saying first buses number 3 .It stops out...some one saying first buses number 3 .It stops out side my houseand lot buser than number 21 bus citbus <br />number 6 is always buser than citybus 8/9 my mum live there <br />81 torpoint bus is always busy couse I see it all time gone work citybus 32 is empty <br />so this person wants to do there home work <br />bus number 3 take200 a day each bus .and number 6 takes 210 each bus and 81 takes mor than these two <br />my mate a manger at first told me this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-55475558071711754682015-07-21T17:59:49.836+01:002015-07-21T17:59:49.836+01:00It&#39;s not difficult to post under pseudonym wit...It&#39;s not difficult to post under pseudonym without having to log-on.Padbusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-46668351184488121142015-07-21T17:47:21.563+01:002015-07-21T17:47:21.563+01:00Any news on a service for Woolwell yet. I have he...Any news on a service for Woolwell yet. I have heard Stagecoach might extend some of the Park + Rides from the George up there ?<br /><br />I think that within a few months you may well see some cancellations from PCB so both companies can work freely. Perhaps cancel Tavistock (42) to increase Torpoint now there is no 81 and possibly a withdrawal of the number 4/4a Mount Batten as well to keep SC from moving in on other routes. Maybe even SC taking over another of PCB northern routes perhaps ? PCB will in turn want to play this cooly bvecause they know any move to take on SC would surely mean a big fight back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-51424472842713484982015-07-21T15:23:16.571+01:002015-07-21T15:23:16.571+01:00When you say you have been told by the Competition...When you say you have been told by the Competitions Regulator,what do you mean?<br />Did you meet him in a pub,is he a friend of your cousin..........your post raises more questions than it answers.<br />How does he propose to stop the deal,or to force Stagecoach to register anything they do not want to.<br />Perhaps you can explain further.......or perhaps not.Bus enthusiast for over 60 yearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344421251975625769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-13441862330584183952015-07-21T09:51:00.954+01:002015-07-21T09:51:00.954+01:00As Graham keeps saying, the CMA cannot force Stage...As Graham keeps saying, the CMA cannot force Stagecoach or anyone else to run competitive services anywhere, that&#39;s not how it works. If it did, Stagecoach would no doubt just walk away from Plymouth, as First did in North Devon. How would that help anyone? First can&#39;t make money running against PCB, so why would anyone else want to try?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-15013222982457414492015-07-21T09:10:07.038+01:002015-07-21T09:10:07.038+01:00If this is true all that will happen is the same a...If this is true all that will happen is the same as in North Devon, first pullout and stagecoach register what they want with no takeover. This would mean all first staff made redundant with Sc only hiring the staff it needs to start it&#39;s smaller network and there would be nothing the competition authority could do about it.a big win for stagecoach and city bus, a big loss for first nd common sense Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-34450191509313444682015-07-21T08:41:41.762+01:002015-07-21T08:41:41.762+01:00pcb would not have a monopoly if first pulled out ...pcb would not have a monopoly if first pulled out and stagecoach didn&#39;t launch a city wide service because there is four other bus company working with in Plymouth city,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-78945392155690506552015-07-21T08:25:28.358+01:002015-07-21T08:25:28.358+01:00People seem to think of first in Plymouth as some ...People seem to think of first in Plymouth as some sort of giant operator, they weren&#39;t after years of neglect by different managers they were losing money, hence it was sold.<br />It&#39;s no suprise to me sc have only registered the 3 routes that I guess where still profitable, the 6,76,3,79 were basically running empty and the the 81 and 1 were only busyish at peak times so no suprise there after first split the 1 and 1a the 1a was always the busier of the two routes.<br />I feel sorry for the drivers who have stuck by first even though the management couldn&#39;t give two hoots for them, and now by the looks of it face reduntcies, a friend at cb said they aren&#39;t taking on either arm.<br />Maybe it&#39;s true that Plymouth isn&#39;t big enough for more then 1 operator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-31980157786818426022015-07-21T07:23:42.409+01:002015-07-21T07:23:42.409+01:00I&#39;ve been told by the competition regulator th...I&#39;ve been told by the competition regulator that they will not allow pcb to have the monopoly on bus routes in the city therefore stagecoach have been told to launch a citywide bus service or they will be stopped from taking over first PlymouthAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-54303186253015189422015-07-20T21:21:57.893+01:002015-07-20T21:21:57.893+01:00First staff meeting at plymouth tues eve, some red...First staff meeting at plymouth tues eve, some redundancies are in the pipeline, and it seems no more routes are to be registered. No idea of how many jobs to go but it seems torpoint drivers have the most to worry about. Dartmouth &amp; Tavistock jobs seem safe. But who would pay the redundancy, First or Stagecoach. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-49783236340579966162015-07-20T20:11:52.172+01:002015-07-20T20:11:52.172+01:00I think SC will concentrate on the east of the cit...I think SC will concentrate on the east of the city initially, Plymstock and possibly Plympton and the northern end on the Tavistock corridor , Plymouth to roborough concentrating on the Mutley and Milehouse traffic via P &amp; R services 100/101 and 201 (Plympton). They can then assess where they think they have got chances of best return, not necessarily old First terrotory. EG to the north Whiteigh/Southway and maybe Estover might give bigger returns than say Saltash/Torpoint. With 100 numbers this gives opportunities for say 102 Southway 103 Whitlieigh as extensions to 100/101. NOTE 100&#39;s North of city, 200 Plympton/Plymsock, 300;s east of the city boundaries, and later perhaps 400&#39;s for the west of the city perhaps!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-4928164958168482272015-07-20T20:00:28.675+01:002015-07-20T20:00:28.675+01:00Its more by accident than design but this isnt rea...Its more by accident than design but this isnt really a forum as such, its a personal blog which has taken on a forum type mantle over the years! I have always resisted the idea of requiring log-in information as I know it would put off a lot of the more interesting comments that appear here. On the whole although people can get a bit carried away at times, it is still friendly. Obviously when peoples jobs are potentially at risk, or at least felt to be under threat, it can all get a bit stressed. There have been one or two comments I have had to leave out, but the vast majority get published. didbygrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01858408719372985035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-33169208535632982112015-07-20T19:46:39.516+01:002015-07-20T19:46:39.516+01:00Yes it is. They wanted a presence in the city and ...Yes it is. They wanted a presence in the city and they wanted to contain the spread of GoAhead in the Notth and East. Having the depot now let&#39;s the move some Gold and X38 into Plymouth making it more efficient not also lets them take in house their West Country Megabus diagrams and to expand the network themselves. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-33675676016937710432015-07-20T19:25:21.208+01:002015-07-20T19:25:21.208+01:00Anybody heard any news re today&#39;s meeting ?Anybody heard any news re today&#39;s meeting ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-92220431950864630032015-07-20T17:42:03.950+01:002015-07-20T17:42:03.950+01:00Is it beyond belief that they only bought the ride...Is it beyond belief that they only bought the ride as they needed decent sized engineering facilities until the new depot is built in Exeter plus they get Dartmouth which they&#39;ve always wanted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-64242971024318531992015-07-20T17:26:58.210+01:002015-07-20T17:26:58.210+01:00A meeting between the management of first, stageco...A meeting between the management of first, stagecoach &amp; the RMT unionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-70405085819498189562015-07-20T16:27:50.638+01:002015-07-20T16:27:50.638+01:00I am a new member,having so far only made one post...I am a new member,having so far only made one posting.<br />I do notice that in other forums of which I am a member that posters use pseudonyms,and this makes following a thread and replying to other posters much simpler........surely everyone West of Bristol cannot be called Anon or Anonymous........or are they shy to the point of reclusivity?Bus enthusiast for over 60 yearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344421251975625769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-28669746809343994482015-07-20T16:18:14.476+01:002015-07-20T16:18:14.476+01:00Anonymous 20th July 2015 at 11:09
Re: your first s...Anonymous 20th July 2015 at 11:09<br />Re: your first sentence.... Was there really any need for what you said about enthusiasts and those who comment. I&#39;m a mature enthusiast of 60+ years and hope you have not included me in the 99%.<br />As your 99% is so close to 100%, then maybe it is time for Graham to consider not allowing &quot;comments&quot; on his blog.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-39837620805341277412015-07-20T14:24:04.987+01:002015-07-20T14:24:04.987+01:00Here we go again. Why do you write this rubbish?
W...Here we go again. Why do you write this rubbish?<br />Who balks (sic) first?<br />What are you on about. <br />If you actually knew anything or had any contact with the Council officers in Cornwall you&#39;d know that they were seemingly happy with the stability that First has brought them. <br />After WG failing dismally to run huge amounts of service with their unreliable fleet, buses now run reliably with properly maintained vehicles. The buses may be old but we all know that many will be gone soon. <br />Why do you feel the need to invent your fantasy scenarios? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-64140658143686517512015-07-20T14:17:44.945+01:002015-07-20T14:17:44.945+01:001. There is no imminent likelihood of the depot be...1. There is no imminent likelihood of the depot being compulsorily purchased<br />2. There are no tenders due for SC or PCB to &#39;pick up&#39;<br />3. To extend their operating areas in Cornwall would require new operating bases, infrastructure, support functions and staff in new areas - more remote from their operations than you assume<br />4. There is no problem with Cornwall being &#39;remote&#39; geographically. It&#39;s only like Aircoach or Slough.<br />5. First&#39;s Cornwall business is profitable now the new team have sorted it out ( and the speed of that indicates that it always had the underlying base to be profitable) and it can sustain its own overheads. <br />6. First has just bought (yes bought, not leased or rented) Summercourt garage from WGs receivers and the entire equipment etc within it and the WG Pollards Mill engineering base, which they have also agreed a lease on.<br />7. First isn&#39;t selling Cornwall. Not only is it a profitable business, but they are actually quite proud of the turn around. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11828686.post-75734695378028914802015-07-20T13:27:08.397+01:002015-07-20T13:27:08.397+01:00When Stagecoach pulled out of Darlington in 2007 a...When Stagecoach pulled out of Darlington in 2007 and sold the business to Arriva, apart from token competition from Scarlet Band, Arriva had a total monopoly in the town and the Competition Commission (as it was then) took no action with regard to the sale. Therefore using this principle the Competition and Markets Authority would take no action against PCB, even if they had a total monopoly over Plymouth city bus routes, but in any event the CMA would deem that Stagecoach would be a potential competitor.<br /><br />The Stagecoach position in Darlington was quite ironic, because when they flooded the streets of Darlington with buses in November 1994, apart from running DTC off the road, they declared that another reason for their presence was to stop United (now Arriva) advancing towards a monopoly of all the bus services in the town. The sale of Stagecoach Darlington to Arriva achieved exactly what they intended to prevent - a total monopoly of virtually all bus services in the town! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com