So we all know that fashion standard is < size 4 and plus is often > size 12. I, like many others, fall into the middle of these and are labeled "real size." I often struggle with getting work because of this. Do any of you other real size models have this problem? What type of modeling do most women between sizes 4-10 do?

This question is not to critique my pictures, criticize me for using a term I didn't even make up, or to provoke negativity. It's just a simple question. If you don't have anything positive to contribute, please just don't say anything.

JessicaBaker wrote: So we all know that fashion standard is < size 4 and plus is often > size 12. I, like many others, fall into the middle of these and are labeled "real size." I often struggle with getting work because of this. Do any of you other real size models have this problem?

I'm a real size 2.

The reason sizes 6-10 might be called "REAL SIZE" is because it's "no man's land" for any mainstream fashion modeling, so "real size" is simply a made-up term to comfort and appease women who don't fit the standards.

The fact you say you've heard this terminology from agencies supports this theory.

It doesn't mean you can't do other types of modeling -- fitness and glamour and art and (some) commercial modeling are open to you outside of these size standards.

EDIT: As a slight tangent ... Modeling is a job. While we may not be able to change the industry, we can stop letting terms like this and the fashion industry define us as people. Every once in awhile I'll see something stupid posted on Facebook, usually by a big girl, that juxtaposes a photo of a large plus size model next to a tiny thin model and it says something ignorant and obnoxious like "REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES" or "BIGGER IS BETTER". This is sort of akin to "reverse racism" -- cruelty is cruelty. I like TAYLOR's post below.

And Jessica, I know you didn't mean any harm by it. It's just a silly term that doesn't really mean anything. But as a fellow not agency standard model, yes, I feel the pain of not being agency standard.

JessicaBaker wrote: So we all know that fashion standard is < size 4 and plus is often > size 12. I, like many others, fall into the middle of these and are labeled "real size." I often struggle with getting work because of this. Do any of you other real size models have this problem?

Real size (plus size and curvy) models are always welcomed when I do shoots.

JessicaBaker wrote: So we all know that fashion standard is < size 4 and plus is often > size 12. I, like many others, fall into the middle of these and are labeled "real size." I often struggle with getting work because of this. Do any of you other real size models have this problem?

First whats real size? Is that a type of modeling? I never heard of it.
First off, there are regular girls then there are professional models.
Professional models, fit models (including plus size) must keep their idea weight in order to continue to get work especially if the designer has a specific size that they need.. Even losing too much weight is not good if they can not fill out the clothes..
Many girls who are struggling in model don't look at the obvious.
Too old, too heavy, or not just a strong look.. Some times girls think its just
one issue when it could age and other things as well...
If you need to maintain a certain weight then do it. If its what you need to continue modeling ... If not, you can't model... Or you won't be able to get as much work..

***note to eveyone: "realsize" is a term invented as an alternative to "plussize" because the term plussize is getting a lot of critique sinze plussize models are hardly ever plussize women in real life. So they came up with "realsize", referring to the average size a lot of real (aka non-models) women have. It is not meant to say that size 2,4,6,8... are not "real" sizes or that women or models in that size aren't real women. Just saying ***

OP, the plussize industry is shifting. A lot of plussize models are size 10 or even smaller, and plussize in general is shifting closer towards its "industrymeaning", namely "not straightsize", technically making anything above a large 6 "plussize".

Here are a couple examples of models that are smaller than you, but are signed with plussize agencies (well, the plussize boards of agencies) and work as plussize models.
(I made a rough visual estimate, you don't have you measurements listed)

Hughes (UK plussize agency) also has an entire board devoted to models with a size 6-8-10

Anna Adrielle wrote: ***note to eveyone: "realsize" is a term invented as an alternative to "plussize" because the term plussize is getting a lot of critique sinze plussize models are hardly ever plussize women in real life. So they came up with "realsize", referring to the average size a lot of real (aka non-models) women have. It is not meant to say that size 2,4,6,8... are not "real" sizes or that women or models in that size aren't real women. Just saying ***

OP, the plussize industry is shifting. A lot of plussize models are size 10 or even smaller, and plussize in general is shifting closer towards its "industrymeaning", namely "not straightsize", technically making anything above a large 6 "plussize".

Here are a couple examples of models that are smaller than you, but are signed with plussize agencies (well, the plussize boards of agencies) and work as plussize models.
(I made a rough visual estimate, you don't have you measurements listed)

Hughes (UK plussize agency) also has an entire board devoted to models with a size 6-8-10

The reason sizes 6-10 might be called "REAL SIZE" is because it's "no man's land" for any mainstream fashion modeling, so "real size" is simply a made-up term to comfort and appease women who don't fit the standards.

The fact you say you've heard this terminology from agencies supports this theory.

It doesn't mean you can't do other types of modeling -- fitness and glamour and art and (some) commercial modeling are open to you outside of these size standards.

EDIT: As a slight tangent ... Modeling is a job. While we may not be able to change the industry, we can stop letting terms like this and the fashion industry define us as people. Every once in awhile I'll see something stupid posted on Facebook, usually by a big girl, that juxtaposes a photo of a large plus size model next to a tiny thin model and it says something ignorant and obnoxious like "REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES" or "BIGGER IS BETTER". This is sort of akin to "reverse racism" -- cruelty is cruelty. I like TAYLOR's post below.

T A Y L O R wrote: And Jessica, I know you didn't mean any harm by it. It's just a silly term that doesn't really mean anything. But as a fellow not agency standard model, yes, I feel the pain of not being agency standard.

I'm not saying I'm trying to be a fashion model. I was just curious about the type of modeling that women these sizes do.

Oh, I know. You never said anything of the sort.

I was just defining as far as what work your "type" would do.

Commercial or athletic work would be my more definitive answer. But you don't have many pictures where you can really see your body, so it's hard to tell if you're suited for that type of modeling. But I keep going back to it because of your avatar.

And you say "I'd rather not call myself plus, thanks" like it's a disgusting word?

I don't think my measurements are relevant to the original discussion. I'm not saying it's disgusting. I'm just not a fan of your unprovoked critique and the off-guess of the size. Nobody likes someone to guess their size wrong, nothing against you personally.

I don't think my measurements are relevant to the original discussion. I'm not saying it's disgusting. I'm just not a fan of your unprovoked critique and the off-guess of the size. Nobody likes someone to guess their size wrong, nothing against you personally.

They are because you asked what girls YOUR size can do.

So it helps to know your size.

There is a common misconception about plus size, and in different markets, plus size means different things. I think in NY it can go down to 8, whereas in LA the minimum is more like 12 and most prefer 14.

JessicaBaker wrote: So we all know that fashion standard is < size 4 and plus is often > size 12. I, like many others, fall into the middle of these and are labeled "real size." I often struggle with getting work because of this. Do any of you other real size llamas have this problem? What type of llamaing do most women between sizes 4-10 do?

This question is not to critique my pictures, criticize me for using a term I didn't even make up, or to provoke negativity. It's just a simple question. If you don't have anything positive to contribute, please just don't say anything.

There is a common misconception about plus size, and in different markets, plus size means different things. I think in NY it can go down to 8, whereas in LA the minimum is more like 12 and most prefer 14.

I didn't ask about MY size. I asked about the range of sizes from 4-10. So my specific measurements are not relevant. I completely agree that 12/14 is minimum/preferred. Therefore, that's why I asked about the range that I did.

Here's where it's confusing: Women between sizes 4 and 10. In some places, sizes BETWEEN those fall into plus size. And that's the part where your size matters, because it seems like you are asking for yourself, and in some markets, you self proclaimed 8-10 falls into plus size.

I didn't ask about MY size. I asked about the range of sizes from 4-10. So my specific measurements are not relevant. I completely agree that 12/14 is minimum/preferred. Therefore, that's why I asked about the range that I did.