Katolu:PreMortem: vpb: PreMortem: St_Francis_P: If by "ramming", you mean "sat there and got hit":

Trooper Dawayne Maddux, 32, was parked in the bridge's inside lane near a construction zone with his vehicle's emergency lights on but was "moving to the outside lane" when his cruiser was struck by the motorcycle, the FHP said.

Williamson's Suzuki hit the back of the cruiser, and he and 24-year-old passenger Jenna Elizabeth Scott were thrown from the motorcycle, according to the FHP. Troopers are investigating.

I read that like the cop was hiding in a construction site, knew he was coming and pulled out in front of him to stop his progress. Intentional and hardly just sitting there.

Is say do an investigation and at least see if it can be verified the cop did in fact have his lights on. Speeding shouldn't be a death sentence.

So what if he did or didn't? The motorcycle hit him, not the other way around. It was going 125. If you don't think being an idiot should be a death sentience talk to Darwin.

The moron killed himself.

The cop intentionally pulled out in front of him. That is who was intentional. It wasn't negligence on the rider.

kvinesknows:125mph == 180 feet per secondwith reaction time around 1/3 of a second, there aint much hope in hell of stopping a bike going that fast if someone pulled in front of you about 200 feet away

Intentionally.

I cant believe all you asshats fault the rider when a cop intentionally pulled out in front of a motorcycle with intent.

sevenpointsixtwo:Kahabut: DownDaRiver: Now see, if the bike had modified pipes, the officer would have heard him coming and wouldn't have pulled out in front of the bike.

I read the article. Based on what it says, the officer pulled out in front of the speeding bike. Emergency lights or no, that just caused homicide, attempted homicide and assault with a deadly. Among other things.

Bet you 100$ the cop doesn't even get a note in his file.

Bullshiat. He kept the idiot and his equally brainless passenger from injuring/killing any of the law abiding motorists. One less moron on a superbike is a very good thing. Its just too bad the passenger lived. Hopefully she at least loses a limb or major organ.

And this is why democracy doesn't work. It's at least half full of ignorant self important assholes.

Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

gmaki:Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

Driving fast, across a long straightaway bridge. Some farkers really like the view from their high horses.

gmaki:I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds....

PreMortem:kvinesknows: 125mph == 180 feet per secondwith reaction time around 1/3 of a second, there aint much hope in hell of stopping a bike going that fast if someone pulled in front of you about 200 feet away

Intentionally.

I cant believe all you asshats fault the rider when a cop intentionally pulled out in front of a motorcycle with intent.

Fark all you trolls.

Ever hear the phrase intervening act? The cop could pull out in front of the motorcycle with the express purpose of causing the motorcyclist to crash and still not be criminally liable. Anything over 20 MPH over the speed limit is criminally reckless driving in FL. Even if the officer intended to try to kill the motorcyclist AND his passenger, he is not guilty because the criminally reckless driving taking place AFTER the cop (even if it was only a hundred yards) pulled out would still be the proximate cause of the accident.

\Actually had a similar question on the FL bar exam back in 2001. A take on the old shoot the guy on the way down after he was thrown off the roof where the guy who shot was shooting a warning shot at a prowler and missed aka actually hit something.\\The guy who threw him off: guilty of attempted murder, the shooter: not guilty of a crime because the killing was not forseeable, the prowler: guilty of felony murder.

PreMortem:vpb: PreMortem: St_Francis_P: If by "ramming", you mean "sat there and got hit":

Trooper Dawayne Maddux, 32, was parked in the bridge's inside lane near a construction zone with his vehicle's emergency lights on but was "moving to the outside lane" when his cruiser was struck by the motorcycle, the FHP said.

Williamson's Suzuki hit the back of the cruiser, and he and 24-year-old passenger Jenna Elizabeth Scott were thrown from the motorcycle, according to the FHP. Troopers are investigating.

I read that like the cop was hiding in a construction site, knew he was coming and pulled out in front of him to stop his progress. Intentional and hardly just sitting there.

Is say do an investigation and at least see if it can be verified the cop did in fact have his lights on. Speeding shouldn't be a death sentence.

So what if he did or didn't? The motorcycle hit him, not the other way around. It was going 125. If you don't think being an idiot should be a death sentience talk to Darwin.

The moron killed himself.

The cop intentionally pulled out in front of him. That is who was intentional. It wasn't negligence on the rider.

What the cop did was wrong. I'd gamble his lights weren't on either.

BULLshiat. If you're doing 125mph in any vehicle on a public road, all bets are off. Anything that happens to you is your own damn fault. Rider got what he deserved. I just feel sorry for the pillion. There's a very good chance she didn't say yes to a ride on the back of a bike thinking it would result in a high speed police chase and serious accident.

ha-ha-guy:Better the shiathead ramming into the side of a police cruiser and dying than ramming into someone's compact and inflicting serious injuries on them.

Cops didn't kill the rider, they protected someone else from having a motorcycle slam into them at 125 mph. The other people using the road and not engaged in illegal activities have more a of a right to protection than the dickhole evading the police.

But not better than ramming into a compact car and killing the occupant who happened to be on his way to blow up an orphanage.

gmaki:Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

At that speed the bike couldn't get out of the way of the car. He was going too fast for the road, too fast for his ability, and too fast for the surrounds. If it was a child who walked out on the road, the kid would be dead. The rider was a danger to himself, and anyone around. That's why speeding like that is a serious crime. The rider killed himself. The accident was the result of his actions.

I don't expect your small mind to understand that. It involves being able to process action/consequence relationships, and other grown-up concepts.

Axis of Good Stuff:When you're travelling 184 feet per second, there isn't a lot of time to change lanes if someone moves in front of you. That's why you don't go that fast. Bad cop or not, that's an expected possibility riding like that.

Iplaybass:gmaki: Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

At that speed the bike couldn't get out of the way of the car. He was going too fast for the road, too fast for his ability, and too fast for the surrounds. If it was a child who walked out on the road, the kid would be dead. The rider was a danger to himself, and anyone around. That's why speeding like that is a serious crime. The rider killed himself. The accident was the result of his actions.

I don't expect your small mind to understand that. It involves being able to process action/consequence relationships, and other grown-up concepts.

At that speed? and he could at 75 mph? and if a kid stepped out in front of him at 75mph the kid wouldn't be dead? What is a kid doing on the bridge in the first place?

The bike, if it was doing 125 mph, had about the same kinetic energy as my mid-sized sedan doing 60 mph.

Would you want my sedan to rear-end your car at 60? No? Then the cop probably didn't want the motorcyclist to rear-end him at 125 either.

I think an analysis involving momentum (and its attendant quantities, like force and impulse) would be more useful/accurate than one involving energy.

Impulse is useful for analysing injuries. Seatbelt spreads out the transmission of the force over time.

Nonetheless, motor vehicle collisions are an inelastic process and the total amount of energy that the collision dissipates is still pertinent. It represents, in part, the work done in deformation of the materials involved in the inelastic process (crumpled metal). This is a salient point in high speed collisions. The seatbelt and airbag do you no good if you're crushed between pieces of metal. Cars are a lot safer today _because_ they have crumple zones designed to deform and absorb that energy.

gmaki:Iplaybass: gmaki: Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

At that speed the bike couldn't get out of the way of the car. He was going too fast for the road, too fast for his ability, and too fast for the surrounds. If it was a child who walked out on the road, the kid would be dead. The rider was a danger to himself, and anyone around. That's why speeding like that is a serious crime. The rider killed himself. The accident was the result of his actions.

I don't expect your small mind to understand that. It involves being able to process action/consequence relationships, and other grown-up concepts.

At that speed? and he could at 75 mph? and if a kid stepped out in front of him at 75mph the kid wouldn't be dead? What is a kid doing on the bridge in the first place?

You think he was only speeding on the bridge?

FTFA: "A Clearwater officer using radar in an unmarked police cruiser saw the motorcycles speeding in the 50-mph zone, and he tried to pull Keith Daniel Williamson over, she said."

I don't know about where you live, but here it's very possible that a kid could wander on to a 50mph road. At 50mph, there's every chance you could stop the vehicle in time. At 125 there isn't. It's pretty simple.

Iplaybass:gmaki: Iplaybass: gmaki: Jesus I never knew speeding was such a serious crime. and I never knew 125mph was such an unimaginably fast speed for most farkers. Most cars, even crappy ones can do that speed in less than a minute and any decent motorcycle can get there in seconds.... and do it all the time. Going 125 doesn't automatically result in mass carnage. It rarely does.

And it certainly doesn't mean some cop should help you die. I have no idea if the cop did I am simply referring to to all the farkers who act like they would help kill a person for simply driving fast.

At that speed the bike couldn't get out of the way of the car. He was going too fast for the road, too fast for his ability, and too fast for the surrounds. If it was a child who walked out on the road, the kid would be dead. The rider was a danger to himself, and anyone around. That's why speeding like that is a serious crime. The rider killed himself. The accident was the result of his actions.

I don't expect your small mind to understand that. It involves being able to process action/consequence relationships, and other grown-up concepts.

At that speed? and he could at 75 mph? and if a kid stepped out in front of him at 75mph the kid wouldn't be dead? What is a kid doing on the bridge in the first place?

You think he was only speeding on the bridge?

FTFA: "A Clearwater officer using radar in an unmarked police cruiser saw the motorcycles speeding in the 50-mph zone, and he tried to pull Keith Daniel Williamson over, she said."

I don't know about where you live, but here it's very possible that a kid could wander on to a 50mph road. At 50mph, there's every chance you could stop the vehicle in time. At 125 there isn't. It's pretty simple.

You seem to believe that the fact that he was speeding in one area, reached 125mph at one point.. somehow means he was doing 125 at every moment of the event and at every single location. And you can't stop in time if a child steps out in front of you while you're traveling 50mph... children get hit at 25mph all the time when they jump out in front of cars.

PreMortem:kvinesknows: 125mph == 180 feet per secondwith reaction time around 1/3 of a second, there aint much hope in hell of stopping a bike going that fast if someone pulled in front of you about 200 feet away

Intentionally.

I cant believe all you asshats fault the rider when a cop intentionally pulled out in front of a motorcycle with intent.

Fark all you trolls.

no fan of cops here, also a biker myself...i have had knownothing 25 year olds on bikes almost hit me and my bike as they blast by at whothefarknowshow fast even with my ass doing 90mph. These fooks have NO idea what they are doing, and while i thinks 68% of cops are assholes, i KNOW 95% of 25 year olds on speed bikes are unqualified douchenozzles. This dude was gonna die sooner or later. too bad about the passenger, that is sad, but the MC driver hurt her, no one else...the driver was without doubt an unqualified asshole, he shoulda sucked it up and thought of his girl whose life now hangs...the cop may or may not have been an asshole, that is TBD.

PreMortem:vpb: PreMortem: St_Francis_P: If by "ramming", you mean "sat there and got hit":

Trooper Dawayne Maddux, 32, was parked in the bridge's inside lane near a construction zone with his vehicle's emergency lights on but was "moving to the outside lane" when his cruiser was struck by the motorcycle, the FHP said.

Williamson's Suzuki hit the back of the cruiser, and he and 24-year-old passenger Jenna Elizabeth Scott were thrown from the motorcycle, according to the FHP. Troopers are investigating.

I read that like the cop was hiding in a construction site, knew he was coming and pulled out in front of him to stop his progress. Intentional and hardly just sitting there.

Is say do an investigation and at least see if it can be verified the cop did in fact have his lights on. Speeding shouldn't be a death sentence.

So what if he did or didn't? The motorcycle hit him, not the other way around. It was going 125. If you don't think being an idiot should be a death sentience talk to Darwin.

The moron killed himself.

The cop intentionally pulled out in front of him. That is who was intentional. It wasn't negligence on the rider.

What the cop did was wrong. I'd gamble his lights weren't on either.

Grow up. Not all cops are evil aholes. This cop was pulling out into traffic, saw no one immediately behind him (not expecting someone to be traveling at 125 mph).

PreMortem:CruiserTwelve: PreMortem: Cops have radios. He knew he was coming.

It was a city cop that called off the chase and a state cop that got it. They're not on the same radio frequency.

You are so wrong.

As someone rather familiar with how local precinct/state trooper dispatch works, He is so right. City/County Dispatch and State dispatch are separate offices, unless you live in a small state (i.e., NOT Florida) where the cost of the State Patrol maintaining their own radio center is too high to justify keeping is separate. The local dispatcher can radio the State Trooper (in the event mutual aide is called for), but is more than likely not monitoring their channels or even talking with them on a daily basis. They have their own operators.

Rider was running from the cops, in a construction zone. I fail to see where the authorities are the least bit at fault here.

I'll go one further and say if the cop did it on purpose KUDOS FOR HIM.

At 125 you hit a pedestrian or another bike or even a small car, you're going to kill someone. It's one thing on the big wide-open, but this guy was doing this in a vaguely urban (50 mph limit) setting? And the fact that he managed to T-Bone this cop kinda says he wasn't going to be avoiding whatever got in his way. That cop stopped a dangerous maniac who was gonna hurt someone else if he wasn't stopped.

All you people going "that cop is a murderer" ... screw that. Guy was endangering everyone.

CruiserTwelve:PreMortem: CruiserTwelve: PreMortem: Cops have radios. He knew he was coming.

It was a city cop that called off the chase and a state cop that got it. They're not on the same radio frequency.

You are so wrong.

Really? You think all cops are on the same frequency? They're not. Even in most larger cities the cops within that city use different frequencies.

Even if the city cop's dispatch relayed the information to the state cops, that would never get done in time for the state cop to get the information. The bike was going 125 mph.

The bike was clocked at 125 at one point. TFA does not say how fast he was going on the bridge, or when the collision happened. It could have been faster, it could have been slower. And with a passenger on the back, you don't think they should have been extra careful to avoid doing anything that might have caused a crash? She was basically a hostage at that point. They likely had the guy's plate, they would have caught him eventually. This sort of outcome is why they do not use spike strips with motorcycles.