Vince Gironda aka "The Iron Guru" trained natural and lived to be 79 years old.Vince was the original H.I.T. man. He believed in working out until a "pump" was achieved. Going past this was pointless. He also believed sit-ups were useless for beginners because it burned too many calories and caused hormone levels to drop. He, along with Mike Mentzer were both on Weider's shit list because he was advocating methods entirely contrary to Joe's marathon programs published in the magazines.

Vince Gironda aka "The Iron Guru" trained natural and lived to be 79 years old.Vince was the original H.I.T. man. He believed in working out until a "pump" was achieved. Going past this was pointless. He also believed sit-ups were useless for beginners because it burned too many calories and caused hormone levels to drop. He, along with Mike Mentzer were both on Weider's shit list because he was advocating methods entirely contrary to Joe's marathon programs published in the magazines.

He's admitted on getbig that he used to take steroids. he may train "naturally" these days but hs's not a lifetime natural.Not knocking him, it still takes a massive effort to retain muscle and size, but the natural MrO admitting to haing used gear just seems a little stupid. Thats like someone claiming they are a virgin because they havent had sex in a few years. But i guess it depends on the rules of the organisation and im not fammiliar with the one that runs the natural Mr O.