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Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

To those who say "they" already have equal rights:

Civil unions would grant gay couples some rights that married couples have, including letting partners make medical decisions for each other. The protections also would enhance parental and inheritance rights.

Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

Anyone who cites religion as their reason for opposing same-sex marriage knows that, or at least should know, that the real marriage as defined in their religion is the one that takes place in the church, ie "in the eyes of God" or whatever you want to call it. Civil marriages, ie the one done by the court, is purely a tax and legal relationship.

For example, if you're a religious individual opposed to gay marriage, which anniversary are you going to celebrate the marriage that took place in the church or the court room?

Come on now, drop the crap and let people have a same sex marriage in the court room, its not a freaking church.

Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

A recent poll by CBS NYTS shows only 38% of america support formal gay marriage ..but more support civil unions.

Does a majority of the country really support gay marriage?
As is often true in polling, it depends on how you ask the question.
A Gallup poll last week showed that 51 percent of Americans support gay marriage, but a CBS News/New York Times poll out today shows that only 38 percent support it.

The difference: Gallup gave voters just two options — support or oppose — while the CBS/NYT poll added a third, civil unions.

In another CBS/NTS poll...that polled 6% more democrats than GOP....showed 67% of america believes the president came out for gay marriage only for political reasons and not conviction.
Thats exactly what I said when he did it...if it was pure conviction he would have done it before Joe Biden forced his hand to make a declaration.

Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

A recent poll by CBS NYTS shows only 38% of america support formal gay marriage ..but more support civil unions.

Does a majority of the country really support gay marriage?
As is often true in polling, it depends on how you ask the question.
A Gallup poll last week showed that 51 percent of Americans support gay marriage, but a CBS News/New York Times poll out today shows that only 38 percent support it.

The difference: Gallup gave voters just two options — support or oppose — while the CBS/NYT poll added a third, civil unions.

In another CBS/NTS poll...that polled 6% more democrats than GOP....showed 67% of america believes the president came out for gay marriage only for political reasons and not conviction.
Thats exactly what I said when he did it...if it was pure conviction he would have done it before Joe Biden forced his hand to make a declaration.

The problem is that civil unions is a false choice. Separate but equal is not equal and will not pass muster.

Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

Originally Posted by dabateman

The problem is that civil unions is a false choice. Separate but equal is not equal and will not pass muster.

Separate but equal is what the debate is all about....seems alot of states are not voting the way some want obviously.
Be interesting to know exactly why...
One thing I believe is true...If someone opposes your view for whatever reason...demanding they change their mind will never work. Badgering them incessantly wont work...actually they have the reverse of the desired effect. The only way is to convince them by talking to them and softening their opposition.

Re: GOP kills civil unions in Colorado special session

Originally Posted by lpast

Separate but equal is what the debate is all about....seems alot of states are not voting the way some want obviously.
Be interesting to know exactly why...
One thing I believe is true...If someone opposes your view for whatever reason...demanding they change their mind will never work. Badgering them incessantly wont work...actually they have the reverse of the desired effect. The only way is to convince them by talking to them and softening their opposition.

You have no need to convince them when they are overrode by the Supreme Court. Which is what's going to happen. That's what happened with interracial marriage.