re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:24 pm to EarthwormJim)

quote:You shouldn't need a hunch and a graph to realize

I like statistics and numbers. You cant argue them, they just stare you in the face.

The numbers here present a quantifiable relationship that Less Miles does less than coaches at similar programs with similar levels of recruits.

The reason he doess less with more is up for debate, but anyone can see that it is even worse than expected. He actually does worse than the average of all teams in FBS...by a wide margin.

quote:f your going to use overall recruit rankings wouldn't it make sense to see the relationship to overall success of the team during that time?

Again, that would be a different relationship, and you are free to do that analysis and present it. I have presented an analysis against OTHER TEAMS. Because other teams operate under the same recruiting controls/confines as LSU..namely getting both offensive and defensive players...to be able to facilitate their success on BOTH sides of the ball, this relationship has merit.

quote:oh, sorry...I thought you were trying to establish this point, my bad

e point is that compared to other teams we compete against, and even the average of all FBS teams...Les Miles has much poorer offensive production based on the strength of his recruiting class.

You seem to want to argue the rationale of "why" that occurs. That's fine, and as said earlier, a number of scenarios are likely. However, most of the likely answers reflect poorly on Miles as a coach.

re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:28 pm to CptBengal)

quote:how badly talent is misused by Miles and Co.

Examples. Lee, Jefferson, Shepherd. Assorted receivers and running backs over the years. It's shocking, if you think about it - LSU has had some very good recruiting classes, ranked high, and some of the higher ranked recruits have been some of the ones who have bombed (I think thru no total fault of their own). Coaching and recruiting are two very distinct functions. Need both to be top notch. At LSU under Les Miles' watch, that is questionable.

re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:35 pm to JawjaTigah)

quote: some of the higher ranked recruits have been some of the ones who have bombed (I think thru no total fault of their own). Coaching and recruiting are two very distinct functions. Need both to be top notch. At LSU under Les Miles' watch, that is questionable.

And some of the players who've soared have been lower ranked players. Who's "fault" is that?

Show me the data that proves LSU has more highly rated busts compared to other teams.

re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:38 pm to EarthwormJim)

quote:Show me the data

Let's just name three names: Shepherd, Lee, Jefferson. I'm not comparing LSU to other teams. I'm comparing LSU with LSU talent and what happens once it gets here. How else do you explain how our offense has stunk up the season this year? Luck? Please...

re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:39 pm to CptBengal)

Well you seem to be assuming that I'm trying to defend Miles, which I'm not.

I don't *think* I'm making any assumptions. My point is that we recruited well overall but didn't recruit good quarterbacks. We didn't develop them and make them better either, which I think is your point but we didn't have much raw material to work with there. I think they were recruited as backups to RP and then got pressed into service unexpectedly. That's true for JL for sure. So that failure to recruit well at one position is skewing the numbers in general making it seem as though we recruited better than we in fact did.

re: Doing LES with more..... (Posted on 1/3/13 at 6:43 pm to JawjaTigah)

quote:Let's just name three names: Shepherd, Lee, Jefferson. I'm not comparing LSU to other teams. I'm comparing LSU with LSU talent and what happens once it gets here. How else do you explain how our offense has stunk up the season this year? Luck? Please...

So you're going to ignore the low rated players who have done extremely well under Miles?

No one's arguing that the offense has been great, my argument is that there are busts in every program and that's all part of the recruiting game.