I have no problem with this change if implemented. It's better than the stupid idea of doing away with extra point kicks altogether. I used to ignore extra point kicks. Now I'll be watching them as the difficulty has increased. They won't necessarily be givens anymore. Bad weather will further increase the difficulty.

Billy Cundiff just pooped his pants a little at the thought.

i disagree. i think the outcome of football games should be decided by real football players rather than a former soccer player
plus what do you think this will do to kicker contracts ? will the better more "reliable" kickers now become a "hot commodity" with real bargaining power ? when teams start losing games because of extra point failures your gonna see kickers who deliver asking for outrages contracts.

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i disagree. i think the outcome of football games should be decided by real football players rather than a former soccer player
plus what do you think this will do to kicker contracts ? will the better more "reliable" kickers now become a "hot commodity" with real bargaining power ? when teams start losing games because of extra point failures your gonna see kickers who deliver asking for outrages contracts.

I see what you're saying about kicker's contracts and hope it doesn't make them balloon, but I have no problem with kickers being a part of the game. They've been around the sport forever.

I see what you're saying about kicker's contracts and hope it doesn't make them balloon, but I have no problem with kickers being a part of the game. They've been around the sport forever.

of course it's gonna make them balloon. how could it not ? looking at last years kicker stats , the two kickers with the most attempts from 40-49 yards were ...
adam vineterri .. 15/17 -88%
randy bullock......12/17 - 71%

we don't know how many were from 40 yds or 49 yds ..so lets look at the easier 30-39 yds with most attempts.
nick novak ...13/16 - 81%
shawn squuzem...13/15 - 87%

the average kicker attempted about 40 extra points last year.

ZERO kickers were perfect from 30-49 yds so extra points will be missed . i'd think a reasonable guess would be an average, of about 13 to 15 % missed.
some guys might nail low 90 % others are going to be mid 80%

but make no mistake, this would effect the out comes of games. so naturally a good kicker will become even more important than they are now. paying top dollar gets you top talent.

i just don't think the guy that spends the least amount of time on the field should be playing that big of a part on deciding who wins..

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of course it's gonna make them balloon. how could it not ? looking at last years kicker stats , the two kickers with the most attempts from 40-49 yards were ...
adam vineterri .. 15/17 -88%
randy bullock......12/17 - 71%

we don't know how many were from 40 yds or 49 yds ..so lets look at the easier 30-39 yds with most attempts.
nick novak ...13/16 - 81%
shawn squuzem...13/15 - 87%

the average kicker attempted about 40 extra points last year.

ZERO kickers were perfect from 30-49 yds so extra points will be missed . i'd think a reasonable guess would be an average, of about 13 to 15 % missed.
some guys might nail low 90 % others are going to be mid 80%

but make no mistake, this would effect the out comes of games. so naturally a good kicker will become even more important than they are now. paying top dollar gets you top talent.

i just don't think the guy that spends the least amount of time on the field should be playing that big of a part on deciding who wins..

Good points. I'm still for making the kick harder though.

They were considering an alternative that awarded the point automatically for a TD (while still having an option for a two-point conversion). Would you still want to pay a kicker the same money he makes now with less work to do? I'd seriously doubt they would garner less money in that scenario.

Maybe 40+ yards for an extra point is a little excessive, but they should still consider increasing the level of difficulty if they are going to keep kickers around. Their jobs have already been made much easier by moving kickoffs 5 yards closer. Either make them earn their money or do away with them altogether.

They were considering an alternative that awarded the point automatically for a TD (while still having an option for a two-point conversion). Would you still want to pay a kicker the same money he makes now with less work to do? I'd seriously doubt they would garner less money in that scenario.

Maybe 40+ yards for an extra point is a little excessive, but they should still consider increasing the level of difficulty if they are going to keep kickers around. Their jobs have already been made much easier by moving kickoffs 5 yards closer. Either make them earn their money or do away with them altogether.

so if you go moving the ball back to add some difficulty to extra points , hows that going to affect 2 point attempts ? will they be eliminated ? or continue to spot the ball at the 3 for just two pointers ?

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so if you go moving the ball back to add some difficulty to extra points , hows that going to affect 2 point attempts ? will they be eliminated ? or continue to spot the ball at the 3 for just two pointers ?

My understanding is that 2-point conversions would remain the same distance away as they are now.

I'm completely on the fence. On one hand, the XP being more difficult wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but on the other, tradition is important. This just isn't a problem that needs to be fixed. It is blatant tinkering. It's not like XPs are dangerous and cause a higher percentage of injuries per play. No one was complaining about this. It's a stupid idea. I think I just convinced myself... ;D

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