“Again–I say let my people be! [GERMANS] We have nothing to do with what is going on over there! I am amazed at how you describe us Americans’ I for one was a soldier and I dont appreciate you saying that I was trained to be a sadist and am trigger happy! We do not go to war nonchalantly! As a matter of fact most of us are scared out of minds of what is going to happen to us and our buddies! Where do you get this information from? Especially about the Germans — my mom was raised during Hitlers time and her best friend was a jewish women–where do you get off with this information? Why dont you use Stalin–he killed 30 million of his own people – more than Hitler did! Talk about how and what he did or are you too scared?

Seems to me that your spouting your mouth off! Are the Mohawks called the people eaters when they go to war? Hmmmmmm? Its easier to write about someone who has all the information right in front of you than it is to do some research on another person [[stalin]]. If you have the guts to do this maybe you will find out that the older generation in Russia is terrified to even talk about Stalin!

As far as most white people feel — we dont want your land, your energy, or anything–all we want to do is live in peace. We feel that we have done enough to the Native People of the US and Canada. I especially don’t want to see this movie your talking about–“One dead Indian” from your account of the movie– it truly is frightening! We as “The Caucasian Race” do not see the mohawks or any other native people as terrorists–maybe drunks, high on crack–what ever you want to call it but there it is–the truth—

I am sure this does not go for all native people –I have a sister who is Navajo — she is near and dear to me. I have a friend [[seneca]] here in Buffalo NY who has a daughter whom I love dearly. I worked with many native american people in the casino! They are wonderful people–

SOOOO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? Seems to me that your trying to stir up a lot of emotional hate at your so called newspaper! Getting the Warriors and others fired up to fight? Hmmm could that be what your trying to do??? Sure its fine to warn people, sure its fine to let everyone know the truth

but dam from reading what you wrote–seems to me your just as bad as these corporate and goverment vampires spreading hate!

Sincerely? XX?

MNN response to XX?.

THANK YOU FOR SENDING YOUR THOUGHTS ON MY ARTICLE ON THE “VAMPIRES” [Sept. 7, 2006]. I AGREE WITH YOU 100% THAT HATE SHOULD NOT BE STIRRED UP AGAINST ANY PEOPLE. I HAVE EVERY SYMPATHY FOR THE “NOBLE” SENTIMENTS THAT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BECOME SOLDIERS. THE WILL TO PROTECT THOSE WHO ARE WEAK AND DEFENSELESS IS ALWAYS NOBLE.

UNFORTUNATELY, ARMIES ARE NOT ALWAYS USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. THEY’RE TRAINED TO TAKE ORDERS UNQUESTIONINGLY. SO THEY END UP KILLING MOSTLY INNOCENT PEOPLE. A LOT OF TIME THOSE ORDERS INVOLVE KILLING PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED OR CONVICTED OF ANYTHING. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND OVER A THIRD OF CASUALTIES OF CANADIANS IN AFGHANISTAN HAS BEEN BY AMERICANS. PROPER CONSULTATIVE PROCEDURES [EVEN BETWEEN ALLIES] ARE NOT USED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS IN WHAT THEY CALL THE “THEATRE OF WAR” BEFORE ARMIES ARE SENT IN “TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT” BY USING FORCE.

WE ALSO AGREE WITH YOU THAT BOTH STALIN’S AND HITLER’S REIGNS OF TERROR WERE A GREAT TRAGEDY. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY OTHERS. PLEASE DON’T FORGET THAT THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF SIBERIA WERE CRUELLY COLONIZED BY THE RUSSIANS, JUST AS THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE WERE ABUSED BY STALIN.

IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO LEAVE ASIDE NATIONALIST ACCUSATIONS AND TO JOIN OUR MINDS TOGETHER TO WORK FOR AN HONEST AND PEACEFUL WORLD. I WISH IT WERE TRUE THAT THERE WERE NO FOREIGN PEOPLE OR CORPORATIONS WHO WANT OUR LAND, RESOURCES AND ENERGY. WE HAVE SUFFERED A MASS INVASION AND ILLEGAL OCCUPATION. THERE ARE NOW TOO MANY FOREIGNERS AND THEIR ILL-INFORMED DESCENDANTS HERE WHO DON’T KNOW HOW TO GO HOME. WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS?

I AM SORRY TO HEAR THAT YOUR INDIGENOUS RELATIVES ARE ON CRACK AND DRUNK. I CAN ASSURE THAT MOST OF US ARE NOT.

WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO STIR UP HATE AT MNN. WE ARE MERELY TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED OF WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THE MAINSTREAM CORPORATE MEDIA DOES NOT REPORT “OUR PERSPECTVES”. IT ALSO SUPPRESSES A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION ABOUT GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION THAT IS OF GENERAL INTEREST TO THE CANADIAN AND THE U.S. PUBLIC. IT IS VERY TRAUMATIC FOR PEOPLE TO FIND OUT THAT INSTITUTIONS THEY TRUST HAS COMMITTED HATE MONGERING AND OTHER ATROCITIES SUCH AS MURDER. NOBODY WANTS TO FACE UP TO THE FACT THAT 99% OF OUR PEOPLE WERE MURDERED. WE MUST NEVER LET OURSELVES FALL APART WHEN WE SEE THIS. WE HAVE TO THINK CLEARLY AND TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK TOGETHER HONESTLY. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY TO LIVE TOGETHER DECENTLY IN THIS WORLD.

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THE VAMPIRES STRIKE BACK: “ONE DEAD INDIAN” BLOOD AND GORE TO CONDITION THE MASSESMNN. Sept. 7, 2006. Why are CTV and APTN showing the film, “One Dead Indian” over and over again? This film is about the Ontario Provincial Police OPP attack on the Stoney Point people who were defending their land, known as “Ipperwash”. Dudley George was shot and killed in cold blood.

When they sit and watch this, who are the Canadians identifying with? Many would be with the Indigenous People, some would be neutral and a few would see the viewpoint of the cops. Then there is the lunatic fringe and some of the ordinary people who had no previous interest in Indigenous issues. These two groups would be drawn in subconsciously. They are the ones the establishment wants to reach and influence. These people who might end up watching this because they’re looking for a good action flick.

When people watch the bull fights, after seeing a few bulls ritually executed with blood flying all over the place and the matadors taking bows for the murders, the crowd screams for more blood. There is no therapeutic value in any of this.

Why aren’t they trying to stop the arousing of anti-Indian feelings? Reasonable and rational thinking about constructive ways to deal with Indigenous people and our grievances should get equal time on television, in the movies and on the media.

Canadians have been conditioned all along to see Indigenous People as the lowest rung on their hierarchical ladder. To this day they’re being taught that people who live in the natural world are “primitive”. We have been “spun” as someone they can look down and trample on to make them feel superior.

Look at the 500 Indian women who have disappeared. The police won’t do an investigation. Was this because they think they’re primitive? What about the Indigenous boys who were left out in the snow to freeze to death? The cops put them there. Only when the Indigenous People made an outcry was something done. The cops shot J.J. Harper on the streets of Winnipeg. The subsequent film gives a sympathetic view of the police officer who killed him. There were discussions about how to cover this up right in the film. After it was shown nationally, no Parliamentarians were outraged nor did they condemn such a depiction. During the Oka Mohawk Crisis of 1990 two old men were stoned to death which was shown over and over again on national news to get people used to how to treat “Indians”.

“One Dead Indian” depicts us as a problem. The viewers are being conditioned to think that the solution is to kill off all of us. They want to see us suffer and bleed. They’re being conditioned to see us as natural targets. For their fulfillment and to set us up for the corporate/government agenda, movie makers are being given millions of dollars of government funds to make gory bloody films about Indians. Never are they shown how we can sit together as equals and discuss our legitimate relationship.

During the 1920’s and 30’s Germany put out propaganda depicting Jews in caricature. German people were conditioned to accept the “final solution” which was to exterminate a race.

When people see Indians being shot, abused, beaten up and killed often enough, it makes them want to see more Indian blood. This is the old Cowboys and Indians movies paradigm.

About six months ago the New York Times did a scathing article on the Mohawks of Akwesasne, which was publicized all over the world. Their main message was that we are criminals and deserve the bad treatment we are getting and going to get more of. Akwesasne, they say, is a haven for criminals and that Mohawks are part of “organized crime”. The U.S. is trying to get people to think that our warriors are “terrorists”. Who planted the story? It’s part of the continual assault against us. It’s meant to justify whatever they do to us in their genocidal quest.

A lot of the initiatives against us seem to be coming from the United States. Why are they doing this? It’s because Indigenous People stand in the way of their exploitation of our resources. Don’t forget, most of the companies operating in Canada today are U.S. owned and controlled. They’re the same corporate giants that control the U.S. government. They’ve obviously taken control of some parts of the Canadian government.

The ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) came to Canada to work with the OPP. How long have they been here? Maybe for 20 years! Our people catching them was hardly mentioned in the corporate media. It would have been a scandal to Canada a few decades ago. This has got to be one of the biggest outcomes of the Six Nations land reclamation issue. We found out who our enemies are, that Canadian institutions are just puppets for corporate America. Who has been organizing the attacks on us? Is it a U.S. procedure that has been put in place by people in Canada who’ve been bought off or manipulated?

Could this be similar to what happened back in 1812? This is when Tecumseh and General Brock beat back the American general who declared they were taking over Canada, “Your choice is to join with us or enslavement!” This was the first time the U.S. ever invaded foreign soil. Invasions of this kind are a continuing theme in Canada-US relations. It’s obviously happening again? This time what’s shockingly different is that Canadians seem to neither notice nor care. It’s being done through control of the economy and by infiltrating the police and governmental institutions. This is how the U.S. has already marched into Canada and no one even knows. The ruthlessness of the U.S. towards Indigenous People will frighten Canadians so they will be too scared to resist the takeover.

What are the politicians and their corporate bosses getting the Canadian public ready for? They have invaded Iraq and Afganistan. They appear to be getting ready to invade Iran. The new “passport control” is probably going to end up as a “bait and switch” operation. People will get so upset about the passports, they’ll accept the “smart cards” that allow control without even noticing how much freedom they’re losing.

The U.S. is the only nation in the history of the world that dropped nuclear bombs against another nation. They are blood thirsty and brag about it when they teach history, especially their ruthless takeover of Turtle Island from the Indigenous People.

In the recent covert operations against the Six Nations land reclamation, nothing goes back onto the police forces, even though they’re behind it. Their tactic is using (un)ordinary people to do their dirty work, such as the skinheads, fascists, KKK, the Brown Shirts and the heavily state funded Caledonia Citizens Alliance to attack the Indigenous people. These groups might all have died out had they not been called back into service and funded by the state. Just what is the justification in using tax money to finance hate groups like these?

“One Dead Indian” satiates the appetite for Indian blood for this portion of the public. It’s part of their indoctrination. This is similar to the frenzy of sharks when blood is thrown among them, called “chumming the water”. The sharks can smell the blood from miles away. They speed towards it. It drives them crazy. They eat everything except each other. Then they need more and more blood. They’re driven to attack again and again.

The ancestors of the non-natives on Turtle Island did kill off 99% of the Indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere. These people today are their descendants. They’re being indoctrinated to release their self-control through video games and violent films where multitudes of people are violently killed.

The police and army are trained to shoot at targets that are replicas of their enemies. In Saskatchewan the police were caught shooting at a replica of an Indigenous woman. It’s meant to stir up their hatred for the targeted people.

How do we protect ourselves? Making people realize they have been set up as tools to eliminate the descent within their society of totalitarianism.

This is how the U.S. prepares their society for war against helpless people around the world. They use their military hardware to shoot innocent people as practice to exercise their dominance over other human beings.

At first some of the soldiers say they do not like what they are ordered to do. However, these young soldiers are trained to be sadists and are trigger happy. They go to war as nonchalantly as kids go to video arcades at the mall. To them going to Iraq is like going to a local garbage dump and shooting rats. They begin to enjoy menacing and killing defenseless people. After a while they can’t control themselves. Don’t forget, they’ve been given carte blanche to kill people without impunity. Remember the public inquiry on the Mai Lai massacre during the Vietnam War when the soldiers went on a murderous rampage killing countless innocent women and children?

Today on Turtle Island we are being used as their guinea pigs. The so-called super master race (billionaires of the world) feels they can abuse and kill those of other skin colors and languages whom they have determined to be inferior to them.

During the Oka Crisis of 1990, Canada brought over Col. Musgrave who had developed the strategies for the British in their conflict against the Irish. In a newspaper article, he bragged that he could break down the Mohawks in three weeks. They started flying jets and choppers over us all night long so we could not sleep, shot and detonated concussion bombs and flares, held back food and then gave it to us, spread fear among the public by showing threatening videos on television about all the warheads we had, spread lies and propaganda and shut lights and water off and on. It didn’t work. In fact, it backfired! Some of the soldiers involved had nervous breakdowns.

Their masters are experimenting on those they consider to be inferior and whose life isn’t worth anything to them. In fact, getting rid of us would be very beneficial to them. Then they would complete their illegal theft of our land.

“One Dead Indian” shows us hundreds of menacing cops “goose stepping” into Ipperwash, banging in unison on their shields. This reminds us of the Gestapo in movies about Nazi Germany where they marched into the Jewish areas of the cities. They must be getting the public ready for a total police state. A few former OPP officers are absolutely disgusted with the direction their force has gone.

Martial Law already exists in Indian country. As long as we behave according to their dictates, we don’t see the cops. As soon as we step out of line we see the armed forces showing up in droves. Why can Canada and other colonial nations that are squatting on Indigenous territory defend their so-called “sovereignty”? If we try to defend our human rights and our sovereignty against their brutality, we are called “terrorists” and criminalized.

Like the vampires, once they start drinking blood, they can only stay alive by drinking more blood. These corporate and government vampires are trying to suck the blood out of the people who are preaching peace to the world.

Stoney Point invaded by Ontario and Canada.
Dudley George gunned down for being on his land!

MNN. JULY 17, 2005. Ipperwash Inquiry Commissioner, Sidney B. Linden, has again misled the public on the legal basis for the constitutional jurisdiction challenge brought against him by Pierre George. (Divisional Court suit number 05-DV 001117, June 28, 2005). Linden does not want anyone to know what Dudley’s brother was asking.

“The act of a public investigation into the shooting death of an aboriginal person is not an act of aiding and abetting genocide?hopefully, it’s the opposite.”

Her reference to “genocide” is in the preceding paragraph:

? she doesn’t feel the inquiry has been undermined because one of George’s siblings has launched a court challenge claiming the probe should be shut down as it as no legitimacy.

Pierre George ? [says] the yearlong inquiry aids and abets “treason and fraud? and genocide” and that the probe judge Linden is acting like “the Great White Father.”

The Inquiry has two parts.

Part i is an inquiry into the FACTS.

PART ii concerns the underlying LAW.

Facts. Part I. Pierre George wants to know who gave the order, not just who pulled the trigger.

Also, Pierre George was guarding the gate when his brother, Dudley, was gunned down on the night of September 6, 1995. The Ontario Provincial Police OPP refused to help get him to a hospital in one of their nearby ambulances. So Pierre and others had to load Dudley into his white Impala car and drove him to the Strathroy-Middlesex General, a 30 minute drive. Outside the hospital he pleaded with officers to help. His brother was bleeding to death in his car. He was charged with murdering his brother, arrested, jailed. He was officially told the next morning in his cell that his brother had died.

Dudley George was murdered in Ontario. Neil Stonechild was murdered in Saskatchewan. Over 500 native women are missing. Hundreds of indigenous young people have taken their lives in despair, far above the national average. We?re
talking about events within the last ten years. Canada pretends it doesn?t have a genocide problem!

Law. Part II. Pierre George has asked a constitutional question. How did Linden get judicial jurisdiction? What law applies? What is the constitutional legislation and precedents that regulate the relationship between indigenous and non-indigenous societies?

Linden’s response has been willful blindness to the Canadian constitution. This violation constitutes genocide.

The indigenous sovereign interest was here before Canada ever existed. The whole of Canada is still unsurrendered Indigenous land. Our title can never be extinguished. We can?t and will not sell our land. Our constitution, Kaianereh?ko:wa/Great Law does not allow it. We hold it in trust for our future generations. The Constitutions of both the USA and Canada protect the indigenous sovereign interest. Our constitutions are in harmony. Constitutions are the law of the land.

The only deal our ancestors made with the British is for them to live here beside us. We did not open up this land for the ?peanut scramble? that we?ve been witnessing. We did not invite colonists to trample and pollute the environment and kill our people. These visitors have overstayed their welcome and over stepped the agreements. The ignorance of the children of the visitors is now generations deep.

Section 109 of the Canadian Constitution places Indian “Interest” before that of Canada and its provinces. It stipulates that until a treaty has been made with the constitutional indigenous Nations, the Nations’ constitutional ?Interest? is
above the Crown?s. Section 132 of the Canadian Constitution stipulates that only Canada can make ?treaties?. No valid treaties have ever been made on a nation-to-nation constitution-to-constitution basis.

The provincial, federal and Indian ?band? governments illegally created by Parliament and their courts read only Section 91(24) of the Canadian Constitution. This Section merely granted authority to ?negotiate? with Indians concerning the use of our lands and corresponding treaty obligations. They misinterpret this Section as constitutionally giving them never-ending and unlimited power of life and death over Indians. The Indian Act is illegal and was forced on Indigenous nations.

The judges use federal Indian law to destroy us on our land through their criminal blindness to the Constitution. Linden ruled that a mere Ontario Order-in-Council preempts the need for him, or the Judiciary, to obey the Constitution of Canada.

Why Dudley George Died! Dudley George was killed for defending his rights. The Canadian judiciary has led all the Premiers and Prime Ministers since 1876 into believing Indians who are on their ancestral land since time immemorial are trespassing on private property!

Ontario and Canada invaded unsurrendered land. They had no constitutional jurisdiction there.

The judiciary and politicians are trying to cover up their breaking their own laws with circuses like the Ipperwash Inquiry. They aren?t digging deeper than the political level.

The uprising at Ipperwash happened while the Indians were asserting Indigenous constitutional law and defending the rule of law. He died for all the ordinary folk who sometimes feel they just can?t take it anymore. He died for all constitutionally sovereign Indigenous Nations who continue to resist genocide. We are defending the Great Law of Peace, the constitution of Northeastern Turtle Island. Linden and the Ipperwash Inquiry produced a smokescreen to cover up the underlying constitutional question of legitimate jurisdiction. They don?t want to talk about the law underlying the conflict.

Court obstruction is how they violate the rights of Indigenous people in Canada. When Indigenous people object, we are threatened or gunned down. Linden’s official response to Pierre?s question is to stall. Every day he stalls is another day of unconstitutional judicial genocide from coast to coast to coast in Canada.

MNN. June 16, 2005. To this list add their big helpers, the media. The film, ?One Dead Indian?, is an insult to Dudley George and the ?Nishnawbe? people of Aazhoodena also known as ?Stoney Point?. It does not tell the true story. ?It won?t do us any good,? says Pierre George, brother of Dudley George.

In 1942 the Stoney Point People were kicked off their land by the Canadian government. It was turned into a firing range to train Canadian soldiers during World War II. The land was supposed to be returned to the Stoney Point People after the war. Instead, the Ontario government turned it into a provincial park, known as ?Ipperwash?.

Dudley and Pierre was part of a group of Stoney Point People who returned to their land on June 21, 1993. They planted a tree of peace. Guns were not to be used.

Two years later, on September 6th 1995, Ontario Premier Mike Harris allegedly ordered the heavily armed Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) to kick them off their land once more. It ended in a deadly attack. Dudley George was murdered.

One officer, Acting Sgt. Kenneth Deane, was given a tap on the wrist for the killing. There has been a year long inquiry in Forest Ontario into the murderous attack and Dudley?s death. Hundreds of witnesses have been paraded into the arena – Nishnawbe, police and soon politicians. Hanging around this circus are dozens of lawyers getting paid $300 an hour by the government. They are there as atmosphere and sensationalism.

The inquiry is supposed to pacify the public. They have to find some justification for the unlawful actions of the police. As Pierre said, ?It is to serve as a guide on how to successfully attack Indigenous people in the future. To learn all the mistakes the cops, politicians and lawyers made on this one?. Next time, either they won?t do it, or nobody comes out alive [to talk about it]!

The Indigenous people visiting the inquiry shake their heads and laugh at the array of court jesters.

The lawyers and politicians spout federal law. The police act on it. Then the lawyers clean up the dirt! It?s a show! Everybody evades the real question. The Ontario government had no right to send the police in. They say the police ?abused? their jurisdiction. Actually, the police ?exceeded? the jurisdiction they do not legally have. Their action is unconstitutional and they committed genocide.

John Carson, the Deputy Commissioner of the OPP, testified that it was written in the police log that Chief Tom Bressette had said that the Stoney Point people are ?a bunch of criminals and they should be dealt with?. Dale Linton, a junior officer, brought in the deadly Emergency Response Team (ERT) that night. They also brought in the Tactical Rescue Team. ?The provincial Crown said they had clear title to the land. If so, all they needed was a trespassing charge on a piece of paper which they could have dropped from a helicopter?, said Pierre.

Tom Bressette, chief of nearby sister community Kettle Point, gave the OPP the right to carry out that attack. ?He?s their accomplice before and after!? Tom also got Gary George to destroy their support network. Tom worked on both sides?.

The relationship with the Stoney Point people is nation-to-nation until there is a legal surrender. Ontario has no power over these lands and its people. Section 109 of the British North America Act 1867 provides that ?All lands, mines, minerals and royalties are subject to any existing trusts?. Indigenous interests come first before that of Canada and its provinces. The land in question was never validly purchased from the Stoney Point People through a treaty. So they have no jurisdiction over them.

?In the 1829 treaty the Chippewa supposedly gave up sovereignty to 2.2 million acres of land to the British government for certain goods. Chief Wawanash, who signed the treaty, wasn?t even from the area. He took whisky to the chiefs and told them they were too old to be chiefs anymore. He got them drunk and had them sign their chieftainships over to him. Then he signed this fraudulent treaty?. How would Canadian people feel if someone claimed their sovereignty by getting Prime Minister Paul Martin drunk and having him sign the same sort of nonsense?

The sit-around-the-inquiry lawyers like Murray Klippenstein, Andrew Orkin and Joanne Birenbaum are part of the whole industry of lawyers that leech on the Indigenous people. It?s a bigger business than General Motors! It?s gross! The government funds this charade to avoid being confronted about the violation of the constitutional jurisdictional and the resulting genocide.

The OPP did not act in ?excess? of the Police Act. Pierre says, ?The Police Act does not apply to us because we never agreed to it. The police acted in excess of their jurisdiction?.

The lawyers focus on condemning the abuse. They stay away from the theft of the constitutional jurisdiction of the original Indigenous people. ?Lawyers are our enemies. They?re always scheming against us?, said Pierre. Pierre likes to appear at the inquiry wearing his favorite T-shirt. He got it at a second-hand store, Value Village. It quotes Shakespeare, ?The first thing we do, let?s kill all the lawyers? (King Henry, Part IV, Act 5, Scene 2, Stratford Festival, Canada).

?These cops have zero jurisdiction over the Indigenous people they are abusing. Why, they?re not even supposed to look at us unless we give them permission. The government pays lawyers to make it look like they?re cleaning up their system. This is a scam, a fraud?.

Everybody all over the world knows that we are mistreated. It?s the theft of Indigenous jurisdiction that is behind it all. That?s what happens when a government invades another?s constitutional territory and jurisdiction, like the Stoney Point People, the Kanienkehaka and all the others.

The police are given orders to go out and enforce genocidally unconstitutional jurisdiction. Some cops do it with an iron fist. Some with an iron fist covered by a velvet glove. Some by talking your ear off. Some cops are pleasant. They don?t have to beat up someone to commit genocide. They take away our identity which is based on our tie to our land.

The politicians and judges don?t appear to be disturbed over their role in carrying out the genocide. They sit there and talk about it all day long, day after day. From what Pierre sees, ?The lawyers are dishonest. They abuse the law. They lie to us. They think we?re stupid. Some day we?ll put them on trial for what they?ve done to us?.