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Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by MMC

They knew they were in trouble all along Pero.....3 years awaiting this rollout and it is a disaster. Site even went down with just 500 users. There was no preparation and getting it all set up. Now the Democrats just completely divided a lot of Bi partisian-ship legislation that was being worked on together, with this little stunt.

This Nuclear Option will work against them come election time. Polls are starting to go over 85% on repeal and start over. Now that more and more of it fails and they can't keep reaching their numbers. It is the Democrats that will be seen as covering up and then looking to go around the people and the Constitution. Plus lets not forget it will come back around full circle at the end of 2015 going into the presidential election.

That is awful high, 85%. CBS News has the ACA approval at 31% and disapproval at 61%. Fox News has 46% in favor of total repeal and start anew while 42% are saying it needs a complete overhaul. Only 10% are saying keep it as is.

here is some figures on different senate races to contemplate, in places where one wouldn't expect.

Michigan Democrat Peters lead republican Land by 1 point 37-36
Colorado Democrat Udall leads Republican Buck by 3 points 45-42 two weeks ago udall's lead was 15 points
Michigan and Colorado should be two safe states that the democrats shouldn't have to worry about.
Then there is:
Montana Republican up by 17
North Carolina Democrat Hagan leads by 2 points, two weeks ago she lead by 17
Arkansas Republican Cotton leads Democrat Pryor by 1 point 37-36
West Virginia Republican Capito leads democrat Tennant by 14 50-36
New Hampshire Democrat Shaheen leads republican Brown by 4 points 48-44
South Dakota Republican Rounds leads Democrat Weiland by 14, 52-38

I know that there is a long, long time to go, but the democrats are in trouble and in some places one would have never thought. I wonder if they might have been in much more trouble without the Repubican shutdown. I think that shutdown the GOP shot themselves in the foot. But thanks to the ACA, they have recovered nicely.

Last edited by Perotista; 11-22-13 at 04:54 PM.

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Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by pbrauer

Well if the Republicans win the WH in 2016, there is a strong chance they themselves would do away the filibuster themselves so they could repeal Obamacare.

I have no doubt about it now since Reid used it first. If they do you can thank Senator Reid as he dropped the first bomb. Send you congratulation telegram to the RNC and info Senator Harry Reid on it when they do. I think they might as well now just do completely away with the filibuster rule, it means nothing when the majority party can just suspend it or end as they see fit. Why put up with the charade now. Both parties are or should be aware of this. No need to keep it on the books, it is meaningless as Harry Reid proved yesterday. Do away with it. Minorities need no protection what so ever and this country needs no stability between wild swings to the left and then to the right and back again.

This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

Re: Senate approves nuclear option

I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?

Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by jmotivator

I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?.....
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So which party is obstructionist again?

Rhetorical question: are all the properties on a Monopoly board of the same value??

Senate Republicans on Monday sustained a filibuster of a third consecutive nominee to the second most powerful federal court, putting Democrats in a bind between surrendering on a high priority and threatening to reform the filibuster with the "nuclear option."

A procedural vote to advance the nomination of Robert Wilkins to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received 53 votes (short of the 60 needed) and 38 votes against. It was the GOP's third filibuster in three weeks -- they also blocked Patricia Millett and Nina Pillard to the same court, without taking issue with any of their qualifications.

Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Senate Republicans on Monday sustained a filibuster of a third consecutive nominee to the second most powerful federal court, putting Democrats in a bind between surrendering on a high priority and threatening to reform the filibuster with the "nuclear option."

A procedural vote to advance the nomination of Robert Wilkins to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals received 53 votes (short of the 60 needed) and 38 votes against. It was the GOP's third filibuster in three weeks -- they also blocked Patricia Millett and Nina Pillard to the same court, without taking issue with any of their qualifications.

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Fair point... Well made...

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Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by Perotista

That is awful high, 85%. CBS News has the ACA approval at 31% and disapproval at 61%. Fox News has 46% in favor of total repeal and start anew while 42% are saying it needs a complete overhaul. Only 10% are saying keep it as is.

here is some figures on different senate races to contemplate, in places where one wouldn't expect.

Michigan Democrat Peters lead republican Land by 1 point 37-36
Colorado Democrat Udall leads Republican Buck by 3 points 45-42 two weeks ago udall's lead was 15 points
Michigan and Colorado should be two safe states that the democrats shouldn't have to worry about.
Then there is:
Montana Republican up by 17
North Carolina Democrat Hagan leads by 2 points, two weeks ago she lead by 17
Arkansas Republican Cotton leads Democrat Pryor by 1 point 37-36
West Virginia Republican Capito leads democrat Tennant by 14 50-36
New Hampshire Democrat Shaheen leads republican Brown by 4 points 48-44
South Dakota Republican Rounds leads Democrat Weiland by 14, 52-38

I know that there is a long, long time to go, but the democrats are in trouble and in some places one would have never thought. I wonder if they might have been in much more trouble without the Repubican shutdown. I think that shutdown the GOP shot themselves in the foot. But thanks to the ACA, they have recovered nicely.

it is still 1 year before the elections, and primary season has not yet begun. i don't think anyone can claim absolute victory yet.

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Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by jmotivator

I am posting this again because it deserves attention in order to silence to defiantly ignorant Democrat supporters. Here is a comparison of Nomination cloture votes of the 108th Senate (Republican controlled) to the 113th Senate (Democrat Controlled). Which one shows a minority party being obstructionist?

Re: Senate approves nuclear option

Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13

it is still 1 year before the elections, and primary season has not yet begun. i don't think anyone can claim absolute victory yet.

you are absolutely correct. One of the reasons I keep posting the status is the wild ride that has happened so far. On 1 Sep 2013 it looked like the GOP would pick up 6 senate seats and 5 House Seats. On 1 Nov the Republicans were down to 3 senate seats and a lost of 5-10 house seats. Today going into the different sites that forecast or put the states into columns, the GOP would only pick up 4 senate seats while a lot more look promising or in the toss up column. In the house the Democrats look like 5-8 seat pick up now. Stay tuned, I always keep abreast of this stuff. It has been a hobby of mine for a very long time. The trend line is at this moment is to the Republicans advantage. In fact in party identification/affiliation the figures went from 20% Republican right after the shutdown to 23% Republican today. For the Democrats it was 30% after the shutdown, a 10 point advantage and today the Democrats are at 28%. See what I mean about trends.

This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.