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Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

How weird is it having Peyton and Champ Bailey on the same team? Maybe the two best individual players on either side of the ball the past ten years. I know that topic of who is best offensive player or defensive player is up for debate, but this has to be the best combo.

Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

How weird is it having Peyton and Champ Bailey on the same team? Maybe the two best individual players on either side of the ball the past ten years. I know that topic of who is best offensive player or defensive player is up for debate, but this has to be the best combo.

It is also kind of weird having Manning and Tracy Porter on the same team.

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Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

He looked great running the no huddle. We were missing two of our better starters and without Harrison's knee we were unable to put any pressure on him, and with Troy playing further away from the line due to Clark's sickle-cell, we gave him a lot to work with and he easiliy identified our weaknesses in spite of efforts to disguise them and took advantage of it.

I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.

I'm still not sold on his arm yet, I didn't think his thows were as consistently crisp as we've seen from him (one or two exceptions, the off-foot throw to the sideline comes to mind) and he didn't need to attempt a single risky pass into tight coverage. The 71-yarder to Thomas was all on Thomas on the electrifying run after catch. That play changed the game in the third quarter. Manning found gaps to make plays that were not high risk. His brain had one of its best games ever against LeBeau.

I think LeBeau might change to tighter coverage if he had a chance to do it again, but the handoffs from the nohuddle really caused us more problems than Denver's running game with Tebow gave us in January.

After the last two games, we've got the Broncos where we want them: off the schedule for a while!

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

He looked great running the no huddle. We were missing two of our better starters and without Harrison's knee we were unable to put any pressure on him, and with Troy playing further away from the line due to Clark's sickle-cell, we gave him a lot to work with and he easiliy identified our weaknesses in spite of efforts to disguise them and took advantage of it.

I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.

I'm still not sold on his arm yet, I didn't think his thows were as consistently crisp as we've seen from him (one or two exceptions, the off-foot throw to the sideline comes to mind) and he didn't need to attempt a single risky pass into tight coverage. The 71-yarder to Thomas was all on Thomas on the electrifying run after catch. That play changed the game in the third quarter. Manning found gaps to make plays that were not high risk. His brain had one of its best games ever against LeBeau.

I think LeBeau might change to tighter coverage if he had a chance to do it again, but the handoffs from the nohuddle really caused us more problems than Denver's running game with Tebow gave us in January.

After the last two games, we've got the Broncos where we want them: off the schedule for a while!

Solid analysis.

As an outsider, do you think that the Colts did the right thing by releasing him?

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As an outsider, do you think that the Colts did the right thing by releasing him?

Yes, for two reasons.

One, I think a lot of LBs and DEs would love to put a really solid hit on him, and the type of injury he's recovering from scares me for someone playing tackle football. I know he found some doctors to clear him but along the way there others that wouldn't clear him.

#2, outside of him, your talent level had fallen quite a bit since the mid-2000's. He might single-handedly get this current team to 7-9, 6-10, something like that, but as we've talked about regarding the Pacers, some times you're just better off getting that high draft pick than aim for 0.500 for a few seasons.

If the rest of your roster looked like a SB contender, then you'd take your chances with Manning. But you were in need of a rebuild, and he needed to find a team that was just a QB away from contending. Denver was in the playoffs last year in spite of Tebow, it was and is the perfect situation for him. You've never heard me say, "just put a scrub in there at QB". You need somebody better than Tebow but on a well-balanced team.

If Manning stays healthy, we might be looking at a Baltimore-Denver matchup come January.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

One, I think a lot of LBs and DEs would love to put a really solid hit on him, and the type of injury he's recovering from scares me for someone playing tackle football. I know he found some doctors to clear him but along the way there others that wouldn't clear him.

#2, outside of him, your talent level had fallen quite a bit since the mid-2000's. He might single-handedly get this current team to 7-9, 6-10, something like that, but as we've talked about regarding the Pacers, some times you're just better off getting that high draft pick than aim for 0.500 for a few seasons.

If the rest of your roster looked like a SB contender, then you'd take your chances with Manning. But you were in need of a rebuild, and he needed to find a team that was just a QB away from contending. Denver was in the playoffs last year in spite of Tebow, it was and is the perfect situation for him. You've never heard me say, "just put a scrub in there at QB". You need somebody better than Tebow but on a well-balanced team.

If Manning stays healthy, we might be looking at a Baltimore-Denver matchup come January.

And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Irsay, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.

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I did find it interesting that NBC reported that his rehab was ongoing.

That's not surprising even he said he's not where he wants to be(whatever that means) fortunately for him on the Broncos he doesn't need to do as much compared to here since he does have a run game and an above average D.

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And this ad more to what I was saying, about why I like Polian, he had a chance to stay in the middle for the next few years and instead decided to rebuild and let Peyton freaking Manning go, you need an owner with huge cojones to do something like that.

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Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

Now that the Manning era is over, I've been pinching myself over how lucky we were to watch this dude every year. And yes, I took it for granted. I think most people probably did. Every year, you went into the season knowing that the Colts would get a bunch of prime time games and national focus. Every year, you knew that you would win the division and at least contend for the championship. Every year, you got to watch this guy carve up a bunch of inferior teams who looked like they didn't belong on the same field at times. Every year, you knew that the star of your team would be in a bunch of goofy commercials that were broadcast for the entire country.

Sure there were some disappointments and I think most fans will always feel that we should have achieved a little bit more. But for that one moment, in early 2007, we were at the top of the sports world. That second half against the Patriots in the AFC championship game was without question the best moment of my entire life as a sports fan and I don't think anything could ever top it. We at least know what it is like to be a fan of an NFL team that won a Super Bowl, and there are a lot of fans who cannot say that.

The horseshoe will always come first to me, but I am definitely going to be watching Peyton closely this year. I wish him all the best and will be rooting for him every game. I hope he plays until he's 40.

Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

I'll especially give him credit for this, he used the running game quite well when we gave it to him. We've given it (running lanes) to him before and he insisted on trying to beat us in the air. Not so on Sunday night.

I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.

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Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

I would say that our running game has been pretty awful the last 5+ years and that there weren't really a lot of lanes available due to poor running back play and poor offensive line play. Peyton probably felt compelled to throw because that was the only way we could win. In Denver, he has a great offensive line with superior running back talent than we had here. I always felt that Peyton would have loved to have a proper running game, and when Edge was around, we played to better potential than we have since he left and Tarik retired.

I can't wait to watch him play. My hope is that Peyton wins a couple SBs within the next few years, and then our Colts (+Luck) become good enough to win SBs after that. Would be the perfect scenario.

If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a beat. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

I agree with that. But I don't think the Addai/Rhodes combo was great until the playoffs started. Addai did a serviceable job but wasn't a scary running threat.

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Re: Broncos/Manning 2012-2013 Season Thread

If memory serves me right, the Addai/Rhodes combo in 2006 was EXTREMELY effective. That was the year after Edge left and we really didn't seem to miss a bit. Rhodes was huge throughout the post season, particularly in the Super Bowl, but we didn't re-sign him after that season. Addai was very effective in the first half of 2007, but he simply never became as good as many were hoping. That's not to say he wasn't good, because he was. But I think we were all hoping for a bit more. In Manning's last three seasons, 08-10, the running game was pretty lacking.

You could make a decent argument that Rhodes should've had a SB MVP. But really, there was no chance anyone other than Manning was winning the SB MVP as long as the team won....

Still Rhodes had a great SB.

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