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Wow you went right to town. Bashing the entire women population! First of all I'm getting pretty sick of people pointing blame at the opposite sex on most of these topics. It women that cause divorces? Um how can you say that have to talked to every single divorced person. I think not . Its 2010. People its time to get it in your heads that these relationship problems such as divorce does not have anything to do with a specific gender. Stop generalizing.

This isn't even a question your just venting about women.

Why can't anyone understand whether we are male or female. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE. And every issue we have in a relationship with the opposite sex. Is unique to that couple.

A guy cheats on me or plays me does that mean that all guys are like this NO! It means this specific PERSON was like this. I'm so sick of listening to guys bitch and complain because girls make all guys out to be assholes and cheaters and players then go and do the same thing! Stop being a hypocrite! stop blaming a gender on stupid sh*t like this. I

Your basically saying that all women are the problem. Well I'm sorry to tell you but you argue that guys are all different and have different views what makes you think that all girls are the same.

So, before I write a novel here just wanted to put it out there. WE ARE ALL PEOPLE as I previously stated stop stereotyping women! Stop Stereotyping Men. and finally YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR! Its about the PERSON you are NOT the GENDER. Good day! :)

yeah I love how he completely overlooks the fact of why women divorce men. doesn't matter. he could be a horrible husband, emotionally absent, verbally or physically abusive, he couldve had a affair or cheated even just one time, he could have raped or molested someone or even worse the children, etc. doesn't matter WHY women do it, the fact that women initiate divorce is his argument. lmao the people on this site blow my mind sometimes I swear. complete idiots lol

I know right... It's getting pretty ridiculous on here...Like for example here's a question for the Asker..

"At gunpoint, McAnulty kidnapped and raped the coed the night of Oct. 19, 1976, .McAnulty and the former Carolyn Diane McCullough were married in 1974. She filed for divorce in 1982." OK so She initiated the divorce but does she have to look in the mirror, is this her fault?

1) Why are most divorces initiated by women then? If "we're all people"...why is one gender seem so much more willing to divorce?

2) Regardless of whose "fault" divorce is...men still get screwed in court all the time. That's just a reality.

3) This question is dirceted art girls that whine about how guys "lack committment" I'm explainign why guys have a right to standoffish when it comes to marriage...They have more to loose..and ttheir wife is more likely to divorce them against their will

Ok, and I addressed that issue in the question...yes men are usually the abusers...but if you seriosuly think that nealry all women get divorced because they're abused...ur delusional...I mean 70-30%...u really think that disparaity is explained by abuse? get real.

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Wow, you sound like a real class act. So divorce is a woman's fault? Sorry, but if a marriage isn't working out, that takes two people to make that happen. Perhaps women are the ones who initiate a divorce because they have children to think about and often think with that in mind. That said, I don't have anything against women or men, though I can't say that about you. You sound like a jaded man with a chip on your shoulder and serious commitment issues. It's well and easy for you to hide behind statistics, I can go dig some up for any point I want to make about anything because real or fake, they populate the internet to support any point of view. I'm sure if I were to start spitting out statistics about the number of women left to care for their children entirely alone who don't even get child support or the number of women who are sexually abused, raped, or assaulted and tried to compare that to the number of men raped or assaulted we can all have a good laugh. However, this is not a gender war. Men and women are both responsible in relationship that don't work out, whoever decides to be the one to initiate a process or not. Two adults are both responsible for their life situations. Personally, I had a father who was never there and my mother had to take care of literally just about everything, the child support payments only came when she forced my father into court because he wouldn't pay and even so they were measely compared to the amount of money she had to save up on her own to give me a good life, on top of every other sacrifice she had to make. But I don't sit there and blame all men for that, I had a lame father. There are wonderful fathers and husbands out there and only a short-sighted ignorant person would generalize and blame other people. If you have a personal issue with commitment or with yourself, go get some therapy and work it out instead of coming on here and trying to start a men vs. women argument, because anyone can turn the tables on that in two seconds. It takes a mature person to overlook differences and find common ground. Plus, your logic is flawed and you are only looking at one side of something. Think about all the wonderful marriages that do work out and people who do find love and happiness. They exist too, believe it or not. Marriage isn't some horrible monster for everyone, it can produce wonderful things and beautiful families. I am also laughing at this 'men have more to loose bit'. Men and women both lose an incredible lot in divorce and given that we live in a patriarchal society so frankly, men will always have more options because of present American culture. Either way, men and women BOTH have it difficult in different ways, I'd never assume the worse about anyone. Posts like this make me so proud to be the person I am, I'd hate to be filled with hate and judgment. What a sad way to go through life.

so you guys are afraid already of 'potential consequences' before anything happens?

well it's great to see that you're truthful.

but what if the girl doesn't want your money even if you divorced? I dated one guy who said this to me, he was scared of child support. I laughed pretty hard. um cause in my head

1. we haven't got any kids

2. I wouldn't want the money anyways ( not trying to be a bitch) but I can support myself

so...what are the other reasons? because they wouldn't apply to me.

if a guy divorced or I filed for divorced, I would take care of the kids.

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1) its getting to be more the rule than the exception...divorce is rampant and 70% of them are initiated by women.

"but what if the girl doesn't want your money even if you divorced" XD HAHAHAH!. yea...sure.

but seriously, you only get to have kids like a few days a month...which means you can't ground them because ull sacrafice the little time you have...so they'll take advantage of you and kno they cna be spoiled brats. I would WANT to see my kids..an EQUAL amount of time...

The Courts assume The mother is the real aprent and the guy is just an acessory or something. Funny...u don't see the fmeinists going after that...they only want equality when they're getting the short straws.

Another uneducated rant reflecting a lack of insight and the fact that the asker has no clue about anything he's talking about. Oh goody.

Look if you don't want to get married, don't do it. Clearly you don't understand what it's about and why people who do get married feel the need to. You aren't making any groundbreaking statements here. You've barely even strung together a real argument. Just sounds like a little boy whining that's all I hear. Just don't get married or have kids dude. Problem solved for you.

o thank you for all rebuttals I'm " uneducated" so the 70% figure and other issues must be irrelevant...good point. If I got brainwashed into beleivieng men cause all the worlds ill would that make me "educated"? You don't kno me. And if I get married or not is irrelevant...I wrote this because I get sick of girls whining about how guys are "afraid of committment"...they assume for no other reason than guys must be shallow..but I'm explaining why the idea looks unattractrive from the male angle.

dudeman you aren't even close to as intelligent as you think you are. throwing out random facts doesn't make you intelligent or educated. Any random idiot can google facts and list them. its how you present your ideas and make connections that makes the difference. I've read enough posts from you dudeman to know that you are kind of an idiot when it comes to this stuff. your ideas are not only conservative and traditional but your logic and insight are both seriously lacking. Get off my answer :P

So it makes sense for you to whine about why men shouldn't commit but not okay for girls to whine about why they should? And its okay for you to try to blame women for divorce but not okay for us to claim that men do a lot of things in marriages that make women want to get divorced? Your argument is so silly. You aren't taking any consideration into why women get divorces. The fact that they get divorces isn't a logical reason to avoid marriage. Men aren't the only ones who suffer from divorce.

so are you saying that 70% of divorces are ende dbecaus eof abuse by men or otehr problems caused by men? I'm sorry but I find that highly unlikely. And secondly I am only psoting this as a response to girls who complain about guys who don't want to "commite"

Of course you find it unlikely. You're clearly a man who is trying to blame women for divorce. Accepting that men might play a pivotal role in why they choose divorce would ruin your theory. lol and dude seriously learn to type.

Is it me drawing conclusions or are you just so committed to feminism that you can't even imagine that the reason that there is disparity between the sexes in initiating divorce is because Women are more fickle, uncaring, less-committed?

I know a few guys who are divorces, their wives were the cause. One guy was a great father, but she one day decided she "just didn't love him anymore" and now she drops her daughter off at daycare until 5pm when she gets off work at 3...she usually gossips with the neighbors and I ocne heard her remark "well its time to get the little brat"..meanwhile she only sees her dad about 3 times a year because of his relocation for work.

you could call me conservative, a d*** whatever that's all opinion and I don't value yours so its whatever. however my intellect is first rate and have to take a stance on that. when you are smart people don't understand you logic solely because its like an adult talking to a child me being the adult you being the child

lol I don't for a second believe in sexist ideas like women being more fickle, uncaring, and less committed. I'm a feminist. so you have that one right I guess.

you siting pathetic little examples doesn't mean anything to me. individual circumstances don't add up to most women being fickle, uncaring, and less committed. Hell, I can think of stories much worse than that one where the woman is at fault. That doesn't change the fact that those cases occur much less often. @dudeman: don't kid yourself.

Look you have 2 options..70% of divores are the doing of women...2 reasons 1) it's always because of abuse and the man doesn't want her to leave. (which I think is a ridiculpus assumption that 70% of divorced marriages involve abuse) or 2) Women are more inclined to end a marriage...(aka THEYRE FICKLE)

dude you still don't get it. lol and by the way those two options are not separate cases. if a man is abusive and messes up somehow that leads to a woman initiating divorce. sh*t happens you still aren't getting how your argument is not standing on any foundation except sexism. you also seem incapable of reading because I listed several reasons why divorce happens and not just physical abuse. relationships don't boil down to your 2 options. things are more complicated than that.

70% of women divorce the men because the men are useless and they know they'd be able to get by better without the men. Think, in the old days, the guys used to be the ones that went to work and the women would look after the kids. Nowadays, guys don't bring enough to the table and females need to work as well as looking after the kids. My sister works full time and my brother-in-law finds it easier working full time out of the home than working full time with the kid.

Housewives and mums work 24/7 and many have full time jobs too. And perhaps 70% of women initiate the divorce because It costs way more money to raise a kid together than it does for the guy with child support. If my bro in law was having to pay my sister child support, the child support wouldn't even cover the costs of putting him in day care so she could work, let alone nappies, milk formula, clothes and all the other expensive things that come with children...

And when you say that 70% of marriages split up because of women. And if infidelity occurs, 65% of partners split up because of it. U.S. sexual behavior studies over the past 50 years have produced diverse estimates of male infidelity, ranging from 25 percent to 75 percent of men cheating on their wives. Presumably, the percentage rose after the of the 1960s "sexual revolution." Nothing can destroy a marriage faster than extramarital affairs and marital infidelity.

I'm not saying all men cheat, but there are a lot who have: my dad, my friends', my father's friends and I always have people telling me about men who have cheated on them. So with all of the facts I've stated regarding child support and infidelity, etc... Yes, you're absolutely right. When it comes to divorce, clearly women really do have it FAR easier than men.

Correction (not that your comments don't need plenty!): Housewives and mums work 24/7 and many have full time jobs too. It costs way more money to raise a kid together than it does for the guy with child support. If my bro in law was having to pay my sister child support, the child support wouldn't even cover the costs of putting him in day care so she could work, let alone nappies, milk formula, clothes and all the other expensive things that come with children...

Plenty of studies show the genders are equal in terms of infidelity..women just are mroe careful not to get caught. Also, Men aren't doing enogh? then don't spread your legs org et prego with them! You got equality Ladies...and guess what? now that one income can't support a house...ur chidlten go to daycare so you can set out to prove your a career women. But you want it all anyway...career...kids...and you expect to just walk away, take the mans money, and give him limited time with his children.

You know what, I could say many things to prove your statements wrong, but you're too stubborn to accept any reason but your own. You need to get your perceptions of marriage out of your head. Perhaps you're just looking for an argument, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to convince a no-brained twit. Instead, I'm going to spend time with my boyfriend. A committed man who thinks your words are sickeningly arrogant. Hopefully, one day your views will change and you'll find a decent girl.

if "decent girl" means a girl eager to abort a baby whenever she deems pregnanct to be inconcvenient...or demands rights but refuses responsilbities, think masculinity is "misguided" and thinks boys need to be feminized...I'd rather stay single...these days the word "decent" and "girl" should rarely be used in the same sentence.

btw? what stats do you have to prove me wrong? What are men not doing? They are providing for their fams financially, at least more than women are on avg.

I think the problem is so many women want to get married, & live the "ultimate dream" & get married too soon. I think marriage is serious, & I don't believe in divorce. If you aren't sure about getting married, don't do it. It isn't some joke, you can just end it like you can a high school relationship. I also think women have the tendency to not see men for who they really are. They fall blindly in love, & once the blindness wares off, they see the guy for who he really is. Sometimes that guy is a real jerk, & those women realize they made a mistake. I believe you make your own bed & you should lye it, instead people just consider divorce a convenience to their imperfect situation. Other women have this delusional view of what their man is, & once he doesn't live up to this fairy tale, they are disappointed. Instead of dumping him, they need to learn to love him for who he really is. I hate to say it, but there is no prince charming, there is no knight in shining armor, & there is no Edward Cullen. Women like to think there is, but they are only hurting themselves by believing this.

But women aren't the only ones who are delusional. Men have unrealistic expectations of women too, & women can't live up to them. Many men want a beautiful woman, a perfect 10. Only 2% of the population is consider "beautiful," so not every man is going to get that perfect 10. But some men are so stuck in this fantasy, that they let good girls pass them by in hopes of meeting the hot blond who makes their dreams come true. I knew this guy who didn't have any luck with women. He wasn't in good shape, had some bad hygiene, & was very shy. I decided I would give this guy a chance & went on a date with him. The problem was he kept talking about these women who wished he could be with, & I just felt sorry for him. I'm not a perfect 10, but I'm not ugly either. Not to sound conceited, but I just felt like he should have felt happy to be going on a date with me. Needless to say, his attitude ruined his chances with me & he is still stuck in his fantasy world.

In the end, if people want marriage to work, they have to get over their delusions & make the situation work. Not everything is going to be perfect, that doesn't mean run to the divorce court & call it quits. Good luck & sorry for the essay...

That is shallow. My father cheated on my mother and they're now trying to work things out. You say that you have more to lose. Well I can tell you now that one of those things you would lose is RESPONSIBILITY. You'd only have to pay for child support.

The mother would be left having to fend for herself, like mine may have to. My mum hasn't worked in twenty years because she wanted to raise her three girls well and she puts a lot of effort into being a stay at home mother - it's waaaay more difficult than it sounds! Cooking, cleaning, maintaining the house, looking after the kids. Stay at home mothers really don't get enough credit, I can tell you!

Imagine the mother getting a job to support the kids she'd be raising alone, having to purchase a house, new furniture and such. Because the mother would be working to support them, the children would also find it more difficult; not seeing their mother as much and they could "fall off the rail", etc. I know my mum is dreading all this.

Divorce is difficult for both the wife and husband, as well as the children. Next time you state that you men are so hard done by, think about the burdens that woman would have to suffer too.

Divorce is mutual, and is initiated when one or the other, or even both of the couple, AREN'T GETTING WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF THE RELATIONSHIP and AREN'T HAPPY. If you aren't happy with something in your life, of course you want to do something to remedy that unhappiness.

Your statement that females are the reason guys fear commitment is pathetic, and I don't even think that all guys are. My boyfriend sure isn't, nor is my sister's boyfriend, or my other sister's HUSBAND, who are happily raising a child.

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Give me the responsbility! I would want my children. Btw..divorce is not mutual...women are resposnbiel for 70%...i know men that didn't want them while their wife through them out nd sucked them for every penny and hour with the kids. O, I'm sry women aren't 'happy"..tough! Women have rights...MEN have responsbilities.. women just want entitlement to everything...just a bunch of bloodsucking succubi.

There is a reason you divorce someone. Providing I'd tried everything to make it work, I wouldn't stay with a man I wasn't happy with. I think there is nothing wrong with divorcing if the marriage isn't giving you what it should. I wouldn't want to spend my life on something that makes me unhappy. You only live once. You're ignorant for labeling all women that way. It actually sickens me! If you're getting divorced, you need to really think things through before you blame women!

yea, there is always reason...which often conludes...the woman is a selfish B****, she's fickle, or had ridiculous standards, or is emotionall unable to bond with another human being. I'm not getting divorced...I'm only 20...But I can tell you I'm deifntley weary of marriage..I want to get married .but its take a pretty exceptional girl for me to trust. Women =70%...what does that tell you? obviously there isometing about women as a whole.

You're one of the most sexist people I've ever come across. If any woman you were interested in saw what you were saying here, you would have no chance with her. You really need to buck up your ideas and grow half a brain, because with an attitude like yours, I doubt you'll ever get a decent girl!

a decent girl would admit that women have a problem and are causing more than their share of marriage troubles. Most girls are sexist anyway...boys are failing in school but they still think girls deserve all the scholarship funds and improvement campaigns. they speak against female genital cutting but praise lorena bobbit as a hero and giggle at the "teeth" movie...so I'm not gonna just accept things to get a girl.

i'd rather stay asinlge all my life than have anything to do with the feminist minded girl of today...eager to abort my baby if its deemed inconvenient for her to be prego, teach boys that masculinity is essentially flawed...etc...not worth it at all.

i mean if push comes to shove and I think I need a wife (really big if)...there pletny of conservative minded Christian women...i'm an atheist but I can always fake a conversion. sol don't worry about me.

Let me get this straight... You go into marriage knowing it's going to fail... and then get surprised when it does?! Weird... Let me ask you something... if you go into an amazon river where you know there are piranhas and alligators...will it shock you when you get bit too? Huh...

The answer to your dilemma isn't the women, it's you! Your mindset is that it's going to fail and this is what's going to happen.

After you get over THAT, you have to find the right person. It's not just some female thing that makes your slinky go boing! (to use that funky eminem song)

Yes it's true that there are a lot of sucky women out there, but there are also good ones. Ones who'll stick it out! I mean, it can't be just "old" people that got this right. It's rare, yeah, but not impossible if you just have enough patience to get to know the person.

Problem is people jump into marriage waaay too fast. They bonk in what? like a week of knowing each other...and a year later if they're not married god, something's wrong with you! Nooooo... totally wrong!

In a year you kind of know who they are... in two years you sure as heck know, I would think... if by then you have doubts, well, then let them go and find a new one... Marriage shouldn't get jumped into because she (or you) has issues with fairy tales. That's just stupid.

btw, I told my current boyfriend that if we had a kid HE would have to take it or it'd go for adoption, so see, it's not always the women who want the kids, it's that we get stuck with them...so yeah, you have to pay because chances are your child support is low compared to what it REALLY costs to raise a kid.

You do realize you are basing your theory on the idea that guys believe that their marriage will not work before it even begins right? you really think that's why guys hesitate to get married, because they actually think things through? since when and on what planet does that occur... sounds like you know exactly what would happen if you got married and the woman you chose just decides she doesn't want to be with you! glad you have some kind of self realization built into that brain of yours.

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to a large extent yes...why would guys invest time and energy into something that they see blowing up in their father's and other men's faces? I for one know that I probably won't get married unless the courts are finally fair to men.

(just a side piece of info. my mom left when I was 3 & dumped 4 kids on my dad so she could get her phd. he was really young & had to put school on hold to take care of us. she didn't. she finished. )

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Well that's ok...this really isn't directed at you..I just get sick of girls that whine about guys not wanting committment and no realizing why the idea of marraige can be intimidating for guys. Sry to hear about her dad..I know of other situations similar to that too..it goes overlooked. People like your father should really be appreciated.

i'm hesitant about marriage too. women divorce once they are fed up. men have the old saying "it's cheaper to keep her" meaning they'll stay in an unsatisfactory relationship, cheat, treat the wife however since they don't want her anyway, but not leave because of money. I would rather get a divorce than stay in a miserable environment.

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wow this is probably one of the most sexist things I've heard. We women would actually have more to loose. not all men would help a women with children and how many men would want to marry a women with children. in my oppinion men are just commitment phobes. Some just need to man up and take a risk. That's what the girls are doing too.

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I agree with the Cheshire cat. I think the problem iwth women is that we've been dreaming of marriage for our entire lives and have some fantasy about with it will be like. Then, we're so eager to get moving with our fantasy that we want marriage when it's not really right. Now enough being hard on my sex. Seriously you have to pay child support because you're not the one taking care of them. And do you honestly believe that the mothers aren't shelling out money to take care of them too? Maybe she got custody because she was the better parent and was used to staying home with them more. And not trying to sound or be critical, but you sound like you're just bitter about a situation in your own life.

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I don't understand your question. In fact, there isn't really one here. You just wanted to make an outrageous statement that would get a lot of attention on this site.

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I was asking how women can justify their opinion that men are the more non-committed gender. btw...none of that makes me wrong.

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No, not really. I'm actually going to stick up here and claim most guys are douchebags and are just flat out afraid of commitment, because they know they'll probably get tired of the girl in the end and want some new pussy. 70% of divorces are initiated by women because they're more prepared for commitment than the men are most of the time.

Actually, yes. Very true. It's the biological imperative for men to 'spread the seed' with as many women as possible to continue our population. Marriage as a concept hasn't actually been around for that long and although, I don't doubt that love has been around forever, people had polygamous relationships- to further our gene pool. I don't doubt that there are men who DO want to commit but what funkadelic5 said is true. Women want one man, men are programmed to NEED more than one woman.

@ crimson petal: you're argument is incorrect. You should do something reading about women's sexual behaviour. Then you'll find out that it's actually women who are biologically wired to mate with as many men they can, because women are scientifically proven to NEED variety of men, to satisfy them sexually. It's very rare for one man to be able to satisfy a woman 100%. Women cheat more than men. It's not publicised, but lots of women end marriages because they aren't sexually satisfied.

When a man cheats, he is motivated by his desire to pursue another woman. It's the act of pursuing, thrillseeking that satisfies the man. When a woman cheats, it's purely the sexual. The woman is motivated by her desire to be satisfied sexually.

I don't knw if its so much being hesitant about marriage, but having kids in general yeah. Hear in Az, if a guy doesn't pay his child support you go to jail, and you don't get out until you pay. Catch 22. Men Cheat as well as woman, but to some degree, a man looses a lot at the end.

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