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Yes, but then there were many a "liberal" who made it seems it would be roses after the overthrow, and thus would fling fire and brimstone on those who were reserved. Not on this forums of course: Animesuki is one of the most tolerant forums I've seen.

I watched the incendiary Movie trailer in question. It's incredibly hilariously badly made. However, ultimately it's very crude hate speech. While people should have the right to film whatever they like, I think the film makers deserve their death threats. The film is obscene. I mean it shows Mohammed having (and endorsing) sex with children...

AND everyone is in Brown face, and is filled with hateful ethnic stereotypes that would not be out of place in an anti-Semitic rag (ironic considering the purported director is an Israeli Jew). In fact it's repeating anti-Arab screed that dates back to the Middle Ages.

As for the attack on the US embassies, those were completely unwarranted. Vexx is right in calling it "Idiots vs. Idiots". The Ambassador and his staff had nothing to do with this Movie. The Egyptian and Libyan governments need to bring these murderers to justice.

Personally I agree with the president's response. This kind of hate speech (and poorly made hate speech at that) is not the sort of the thing that should be defended as freedom of speech. It is absolutely vile. If its content wasn't so vile, I could laugh at it with abandon (it really is terribly made). That this film was financed and made by Jews only proves that there's a very sick hateful part of the community.

In support of my earlier comments about Mitt Romney, the Times has a blog posting today about how his reaction to the events in Libya fits with the narrative about foreign policy in his book, No Apology.

Personally I agree with the president's response. This kind of hate speech (and poorly made hate speech at that) is not the sort of the thing that should be defended as freedom of speech. It is absolutely vile. If its content wasn't so vile, I could laugh at it with abandon (it really is terribly made). That this film was financed and made by Jews only proves that there's a very sick hateful part of the community.

23 years after the Hillsborough Disaster, a government panel released a report which, to sum up, asserted that everything the media said about it was wrong.

Prime Minister Cameron and Opposition Leader Miliband formally apologized today in a House of Commons session. Among the choice words, they pointed out a concerted campaign of blaming the victims, police failures, unremarkable levels of alcohol consumption, questionable investigations which sought to create such a story from the beginning, in short, a gigantic coverup. Certain members of the Commons asked outright if some in the media (read: The Sun and its filthy smear campaign) would be punished. Given the post-News of the World atmosphere of British public opinion, this might actually be a very real possibility.

I feel somewhat bad that, being so detached from the event -- it was a British disaster that impacted primarily the British psyche, just like how many non-Americans viewed the persistent 9/11 theme in the United States with bemusement -- I just wondered what kind of retribution Liverpool F.C. fans can now throw back at the rival football fans over the years who liked to mock them for their supposedly infamous hooliganism.

I think that movie goes beyond "ridicule and disrespect". That's implying it's like the sacrilegious episode of South Park, or those Danish political cartoons. This movie is not that, it is a vile hateful film that seeks to depict Muslims as stupid murderous sex-crazed savages. While attacking the US embassy because of it is completely wrong, this is a piece of propaganda that should still be completely condemned by anyone. It's hate speech of the most bigoted and close minded kind. This is not some nice bunch of lulzey guys poking fun at Islamic religion. This is "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" type stuff.

It's atrocious production values might make it seem comic, but it wouldn't be the firstscreed that was produced poorly. I don't think there's anything wrong with Arabs (and Muslims) objecting to this film, it contains many slurs. There's stuff there that would fit right in to a black face routine (except here it's brown face).

On the flip side, this film is so obscure, that I can only think that the people who publicized it's existence had ulterior motives in mind. While I think the attitudes the film reflects are unfortunately widespread, it had basically been unseen by anyone. This film is basically a volleyball being tossed between two hate filled groups who are more alike then they'd like to think.

Of course, the film is so bad, it's easy to mistake it for Satire, but I think that's giving the film waaay too much credit. Any humour contained in it is of a very crude kind.

Formely secret documents now published by the US archive reveal the western Allies knew about the Soviet Union being responsible for the Katyn massacre already during the war:US, Britain hushed up Katyn killings

I think that movie goes beyond "ridicule and disrespect". That's implying it's like the sacrilegious episode of South Park, or those Danish political cartoons. This movie is not that, it is a vile hateful film that seeks to depict Muslims as stupid murderous sex-crazed savages. While attacking the US embassy because of it is completely wrong, this is a piece of propaganda that should still be completely condemned by anyone. It's hate speech of the most bigoted and close minded kind. This is not some nice bunch of lulzey guys poking fun at Islamic religion. This is "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" type stuff.

It's atrocious production values might make it seem comic, but it wouldn't be the firstscreed that was produced poorly. I don't think there's anything wrong with Arabs (and Muslims) objecting to this film, it contains many slurs. There's stuff there that would fit right in to a black face routine (except here it's brown face).

On the flip side, this film is so obscure, that I can only think that the people who publicized it's existence had ulterior motives in mind. While I think the attitudes the film reflects are unfortunately widespread, it had basically been unseen by anyone. This film is basically a volleyball being tossed between two hate filled groups who are more alike then they'd like to think.

Of course, the film is so bad, it's easy to mistake it for Satire, but I think that's giving the film waaay too much credit. Any humour contained in it is of a very crude kind.

Wasn't even considering it humor/satire... its an ugly piece of work and I condemn it as well (which I thought I made clear in "idiots vs idiots"). It still does not justify physical violence. Maybe counter-ridicule.

Formely secret documents now published by the US archive reveal the western Allies knew about the Soviet Union being responsible for the Katyn massacre already during the war:US, Britain hushed up Katyn killings

Ha, that's as surprising as learning western governments were supporting 1) Gaddafi and 2) Saddam previously.. Oh wait, it isn't!

On important news, the iPhone 5 is going to be longer, thinner and work with LTE!!

Wasn't even considering it humor/satire... its an ugly piece of work and I condemn it as well (which I thought I made clear in "idiots vs idiots"). It still does not justify physical violence. Maybe counter-ridicule.

That is what is so sad and maddening; they don't go for counter-ridicule, they go for violence and killing. It'd be great if all they offered in return was some well executed counter-ridicule.

There are times when I look at how many times Western embassies in the Middle-East were attacked in the last 30-35 years, I wonder if the people in this part of the world have ever thought of the consequences following their stupid actions. So far, we didn't have much of a wild response in Europe and North America such as attacking embassies of Middle-East countries or such, and thank heavens people are clever enough not to fall into that. However, should we go through human psychology, there could be a point in time in which it reaches the breaking point if one side keeps on pushing and pushing. In short: have the people in the Middle-East ever thought of what would happen to their countrymen living abroad as embassy/consulate workers or as normal citizens if such stupid actions are repeated over and over again towards breaking point? Second thought probably isn't a forte over there unfortunately.

Although people won't speak too openly about it here, Muslim Arabs are probably the least liked ethnic/religious group in my city (and probably in other cities in North America too) because of their spoiled brat-like reactions (I 've seen that a few times) when this or that doesn't go according to their religion/culture at the same time a number of them don't seem to make efforts integrating into the local culture nor to separate themselves from the true idiots in public. Even my friend from Morroco says that there are still too many Muslim Arabs who take everything literally and who don't make enough efforts to shake off all the bad stereotypes they, whether they like them or not, contributed in creating with their actions. I'm sure there were particular stereotypes for Caucasian Christians centuries ago, but those people found a way to shake off a number of those stereotypes over time with efforts.

About that movie trailer... that was utter ridiculous. *facepalms* However, I don't think it is something to take it literally other than saying that the people behind the movie are sheer idiots. Again, that's not something worthy ot taking it literally unless you want to add fuel on fire.

On important news, the iPhone 5 is going to be longer, thinner and work with LTE!!

But no "world phone". Three different versions, none of them supporting LTE on 800 MHz or 2600 MHz, limiting the usage in Europe and Asia.

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Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

There are times when I look at how many times Western embassies in the Middle-East were attacked in the last 30-35 years, I wonder if the people in this part of the world have ever thought of the consequences following their stupid actions. So far, we didn't have much of a wild response in Europe and North America such as attacking embassies of Middle-East countries or such, and thank heavens people are clever enough not to fall into that. However, should we go through human psychology, there could be a point in time in which it reaches the breaking point if one side keeps on pushing and pushing. In short: have the people in the Middle-East ever thought of what would happen to their countrymen living abroad as embassy/consulate workers or as normal citizens if such stupid actions are repeated over and over again towards breaking point? Second thought probably isn't a forte over there unfortunately.

Their countrymen abroad are supposed to conquer the other countries by immigration/increased birth rates.

The problem isn't with religions, religions have always been a necessity for human kind, and it's thanks the the Arabic world and Islam that Europe entered Renaissance. We were the same idiotic christianism zealot, burning women and doing many others nasty things before.

Nop, the problem isn't the invisible pink unicorn, or tentaculous monsters, it's simply the lack of education in this part of the world, or should I say, the fact the education is heavely influenced by Islam.
Education is forcibly influenced by religion, but some countries -even western side heh - got their system really messed up, twited, to the point it became propaganda.

I don't think the world would be better without religion, I have no basement to asset such a fact, but I know, for sure that if you give people a proper education, religion only becomes a "way of living" or a "path to rightfulness" and not what is it for some extremists people who the moment they were born, sat and had to listen to some lies, continously, and continously until it entered to the deepest part of their brain.