PS4 release date leaks, a new PS3 revision, and no price cuts in sight

When Sony announced the PS4 price at E3 last week, the crowd went wild at the shockingly low $400 price tag. What about the PS4 release date, though? Unfortunately, Sony kept mum on that topic, and just stuck with the vague “Q4 2013” timeframe. Meanwhile, European retailer Media Markt has now supposedly outed the launch date as November 13. Whoops!

This week, a member of NeoGAF posted a photo taken at an Amsterdam Media Markt revealing the release date. Even if this is based on legitimate information, the PS4 might have a staggered roll-out across the world with North America, Europe, and Asia receiving the consoles on different dates. As far as we know, other locations could even see the PS4 launch as early as October. As the battle between Sony and Microsoft heats up, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the PS4 launch as early as Sony can muster.

While the world gears up for next-gen consoles, Sony clearly plans on supporting the current generation for years to come. Kotaku is reporting that two new PS3 models, CECH-4205B and CECH-4205C, have just been filed for certification in South Korea. Don’t assume that means we’ll be seeing a price drop any time soon, though. Fergal Gara of Sony Computer Entertainment UK has gone on record as saying that “The PlayStation 3 is a system where it hasn’t been particularly easy to get the costs down, and “there’s no plans as yet” for a price drop.

The PS4 has been selling like hotcakes on Amazon, and now Sony Computer Entertainment of America CEO Jack Tretton is saying that there won’t be enough PS4s to meet demand. The perceived prestige of selling out all of your initial stock on launch day is just too alluring for major companies at this point. It’s unclear if the supply constraint worries are legitimate, or completely fabricated for PR purposes. If I had to guess, it might be a little bit of both — a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy.

The PS4’s apparent pre-order success comes despite the move towards requiring a yearly $50 PlayStation Plus membership to play online multiplayer games. It’s true that the previously free multiplayer is now behind a pay wall, but the once-premium auto-updating feature will be available for all PS4 owners. As always, video services like Netflix and Hulu Plus won’t require PlayStation Plus either. At $10 less than Xbox Live Gold, this sure seems like a better deal for everyone.

Ya its a good thing. Sony will have a bigger budget for security features hopefully. We all remember what happen a while back that caused the network to go down for two months. Thats the reason I went to Microsoft and im not coming back to Sony.

Michael Wilson

Microsoft has had downtime also and was also hacked it was just never made as big a deal.

Sam Pennington

finally someone else that remembers xbox live was hacked

Jason

At this point most companies have been hacked. MIcrosoft, Target, various government and military websites. Only haters keep bringing up the fact that Sony was hacked.

a better gamer

A bigger budget then Microsoft, lol.
Dude do you ever look at the new Sony has been bleeding money for years. Oh let’s not forget Microsoft has $66 billion in cash. But hey dude thank you. You made day with that comment. I had a good laugh.

William Perdomo

Not any more xbox one is done .ps4 consoles are sold out now sony putting unlimited pre orders .you and your xbox are getting rape this holiday season

Sam Pennington

I don’t know if Xbox be raped this holiday season what I do know is Microsoft will lose this console war sony has learn their mistakes and coming back with a vengeance

tomlewis727

You do know that the xbox division accounts for only around 5% of their total revenue?

Him

That wasn’t what he said, what he actually said was “Sony will have a bigger budget for security features hopefully.” He didn’t specifically compare to Microsoft, you could take he’s comment as meaning a bigger budget than they currently have… But hey dude thank you. You’re fanboy trolling made me laugh, maybe you should read other people’s comments (and you’re own for mistakes) properly in future.

John Chuckles

I love nerd fights

Sam Pennington

sony in the innovator in technology Microsoft is failed in technology over and over again that’s why they stop making computers and I only made software that’s the difference with the companies Microsoft is been on a learning curve to build better Hardware sony has been on a learning curve to build better software sony new orbit OS has been rained in the fastest operating system Microsoft is still learning just looking Xbox one specs all old technology with a Windows 8 based operating system windows 8 still isn’t fully stable I see bad things in Microsoft future

William Perdomo

Give your verginity to Microsoft ps4 already murder xbox

Phillip Alan

It was ONE month, and the reason it was down was to make a completely new system so it would never happen again.. How is that a bad thing. SURE, you have to be social for one month without talking to your online friends, but they were doing it for OUR benefit. It was also almost 3 years ago, AND, they gave us 5 free games as a Thank You for sticking with us. I don’t understand your logic– Microsoft and their accounts get hacked ALL THE TIME, and Microsoft is a bitch to refund any money, after a lot of hassle they refund it, IN MICROSOFT POINTS. I have both consoles, but your logic is complete SHITE.

Just because a company is trying to fix something, doesn’t mean they aren’t trustworthy. Microsoft has given me so much more shit than my relationship with SONY has.

Jp3isme

Sony took the network down for two months, not the hacker. They were taking safety precautions to make sure it wouldn’t be done again and to make sure no one else’s money was stolen.

Guest

It’s a bummer sure, but I don’t really mind in the end since PS+ offers plenty of benefits tailored for gaming. Also, like the other Guest mentioned, greater reliability/stability of the servers is a major plus. I guess a third reason would be that people who don’t like multiplayer can still use all the social functions inherent to the PS4 as well as things like Netflix etc. without having to have PS+.

dont forget people

Not only that when you have PS+ and you’re not using your PS3 or PS4 it does automatic updates and installs them on all game patches, system patch, and APP patches by itself. So when you get back on your PS3 or PS4 there is no need to wait for patch downloading or installing.

ride2thefuture

Or when you download games you can get the system to turn off when its done downloading and as long you have the auto update feature on it turns on and installs for you….so you dont have to wait a good 1 and half to download and install a Full Game

Guest

Hmm I thought I read somewhere that automatic updating should be available for all PS4 systems without PS+ (I don’t think PS3 though)

It could be just for system updates though. Let me see if I can dig it up.

dablocishot77

I currently has PS+ and I currently have about 20 free games to choose from. Price cuts on other games. Free avatar downloads and more. I just purchased it a few days ago and I am loving it. It will be a great addition to have once the PS4 comes out.

David Clark

Non sense the Xbox one will sell out just as fast as the ps4 but with fewer back orders. My bet is the number of Xbox fanboys who where going to switch won’t when the go to buy their PS4 and they are back ordered for 8 weeks but they can have an Xbox one next week. In the end this may work out as a win for Microsoft.

John Smith

David, you have went full retard. Please stick to your Xbox.

David Clark

You missed the point. If Sony can’t produce enough product and they already have admitted as much that will cause back orders. And people will choose to buy the option that is available. Really I’m a retard because I’m not a blind fan boy, who happens to work in manufacturing and understands how supply and demand works. My guess is kid your a Sony fan boy who thinks only Sony is good. I’ve owned both the 360 & ps3 both where good. Sony controller for girl hands though.

John Smith

and I understand perfectly how supply and demand works also. A company comes out with a product, doesn’t meet the demand, and people like me who gobble them up now, sell them to little Timmy’s mom and dad for 1,500 bucks on Ebay two weeks before Christmas.

Phobos

That always happens in the beginning and if it’s outselling the Xbox one in presales that’s a good indication the ps4 might be this generation success. MS shot themselves in the foot before the race. However we still have to wait for the numbers come up.

jeremy

they are outselling xbox 10 to 1 dude

ride2thefuture

Thats why the dualshock hasnt changed since ps1 and playstation has sold close to 300 million playstation consoles…ps1, ps2, ps3,xbox and xbox 360 just made it over 100 million…if they didnt like they wouldnt buy it

cromthelaughinggod7

Dam good point! He was one of the 200 million whatever the number was of ps2 owners because there was no xbox then it came later. He sounds stupid! Xbox owners all had ps2 before the xbox came out. I hate these people who act like they were not sony fans sht they even had the psone! Sad I had to remind these people!

cromthelaughinggod7

Um you didn’t get the memo David or you just sleep under a rock! The new controller has been praised even by xbox fans besides you. First off the original xbox controller was the size of a microwave haha. It was the size of a yugo! It was so big I used it for a catchers mitt in baseball. I digress. They are heavy and though the last version of the xbox controller was smaller; the ps4 controller has a little more weight and is somewhat bigger.

Gabriel

At E3 hardcore Xbox fans and PS fans said the new PS4 controller fits in hands better and the Xbox One controller felt uncomfortable. Also adding that the PS4 controller has been significantly updated like the touch pad, which is rumored to be like a whole extra button, like a extra directional pad or button. And even though PS4 is back ordered, I believe true gamers will stick in there and just stick with there current consoles until they can get there PS4. I currently have a Xbox 360 and play on it a lot and I’m disappointed in Xbox One. I wish I wasn’t but they’re not there for the gamers anymore. And really waiting 8 weeks to get a better system, that you’ll have for the next 10 years, isn’t that long and it will be worth it I believe. All will be revealed after release.

a better gamer

Not better ram , it such moves data at 168gb but it takes more time to do it. On the Xbox One the memory only moves 68gb a second butit also has 32 MB of added memory to act as a buffer that bring the amount odd data moving thur to a total of 168gb such like the PS4 but at a faster rate. Don’t believe me read up on the memory architecture.

ESTK921

The ps4 uses faster GDDR5 ram which is faster and also had 7GB of ram available to use for games. The XBone has much slower ram(Its not bad at all, most computers use this type, its just not up to the PS4s standards) and only has 5GB available.

Sergio Cardoso

You can also add that developers have stated that the PS4 is faster, but what do they know.

For me it’s clear that the PS4 is the best deal for gamers.

areaewww

LMAO ps4 is faster…hahaha. you know thats a lie right? even developers said that. idiot

Sergio Cardoso

First off I am not a liar or an idiot.

I realize that faster, when talking about these types of computing devices, can mean various things, but my opinion is not baseless.

Here is a quote for you:

“Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry speculates that the PS4’s GPU could have as much as 50 percent more raw graphical computational power than the one in the Xbox One.”

He is not the only developer making these kinds of statements. I can elaborate further, but instead I will just link to the article where you can read the whole thing for yourself and then invite to do a simple Google search to find more if you desire.

no the GDDR5 is a lot better for high graphiced games but the latency is higher than xb1s but its not really enough to amount to anything so ps4 still has xb1 beat.

cromthelaughinggod7

Please your specs of the systems are off the xboxone is not faster than the ps4 buddy!

JAY

Seems like you read about it but don’t exactly understand it. The PS3 moves twice as much data at any time than the XBOne.
It’s true, the latency with GDDR5 is a bit longer than DDR3, but that is negated by the amount of data it moves.

It’s like Usain Bolt racing a 100M dash against me. Usain Bolt can run the 100M in less than 10secs… I can run it in 20secs. When the starter pistol goes off, I start right away while Usain pauses for a half second before starting his race. Who do you think wins the race? Me? because I started a half second before? or Usain Bolt because he’s twice as fast as me.

And that’s just the architecture. It doesn’t even take into account the fact that the PS4 has 2gigs more RAM available for gaming than the XBOne.

a better gamer

I agreed.

William Perdomo

Ps4 comes out with right price not like gaybox kinect mandatory are you gotta play dance video games haha game on

cromthelaughinggod7

Your numbers presently are not true you can google it. A lot of people don’t forget and I did have an Xbox but was more a ps3 person. I will never ever ever support Microsoft because of their arrogance and saying “deal with it” You might be the person who likes to go down on people’s jewels but I don’t kiss assets! My money with a more reliable durable more exclusives, better costing system. Logically it makes sense. I had 2 360’s that were brand new and died from the ring of death. My xbox has been long dead but all my playstation consoles from 1 to 3 work flawlessly. Japanese people make the best electronics in innovation sorry that is what they are good at. I will buy microsoft when they create a good product that is cost effective that will last plus doesn’t treat their customers who spend thousands on their products like kaka! No thanks you keep that crap! I agree with John you just went full retard and you never should go full retard! (tropic thunder movie reference)

jeremy

americans should take good note from japanese seeing as they can also make better vehicles.

Steven Solidarios

do you even know how much it costs to build and maintain those servers?

GeckoWacko

Just 5 bucks a month for probably better service and connectivity. In my eyes its worth it. At least it will always be more worth it then going out to buy an XboxOne. I can sell my used games so that’s hands me some cash back for games I don’t play anymore. Also the Playstation is 100 bucks cheaper that’s already almost a 2 year subscription on Playstation. already pre-ordered and I’ll gladly hand them a monthly fee for using their amazing piece of hardware which is pretty cheap for the power its holding within. They actually lose money on the console itself, so nuff said.

Venge Drac

Charging for PS+ is not as bad as it sounds. Yes it kinda sucks cause most PS3 gamers loved the idea of free online play. But paying for this will only help Sony want to have better security for their console. It’s a good thing in the long run. Plus you get a ton of things to go with it. It’s a WIN if you think about it.

Saeteurnkl

but its okay for Xbx Live to have a complete restricted pay wall? at least sonys ps plus is beneficial and not nearly as restricted. I dont even play multiplayer for consoles and is willing to support with ps plus bc of the free games

a better gamer

It’s funny how the Sony fan boys kept saying how Sony would never charge them to play online and how they would never pay to play online. But here it is pay Sony or don’t play online. Lol

William Perdomo

Well no one really cares about paying we get drive club for free that more than enough instead of paying 65 $ at gamestop get playstation plus for 50 $ better deal not like paying 60 $ for xbox totaly rip off

John Smith

That’s just the thing. PS+ gives you free stuff all the time. Every month they give you a new game for free, exclusive DLC, avatars, wallpapers etc. They also give cheaper prices on a lot of stuff the non PS+ people don’t get. And as you said, Drive Club is going to be free. You can’t even play Netflix on your 360 if you don’t subscribe to Xbox Live. Pathetic. I understand that business is business and they have to make money, but Microsoft does anything and everything to screw the customer for any kind of easy money grab. Face it, Microsoft s a declining company. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it fanboys.

Hacker

Dude… Microsoft is a billion dollar company. Even without it’s console it would still be wealthier than Sony. Fact: Sony will go bankrupt before Microsoft.

Stefan G

Uh yeah thats the point… Microsoft is a multi billion dollar company but still won’t have a dollar to spare for their over paying customers, while Sony listens not only to it’s customers but also to game developers, and best of all delivers payed online for a beter price with a lot of free and discounted stuff, even free games every month… Oh and that media centre u got on xbone u got that on Every decent smart tv.. I aint no fanboy, just telling the truth

andrew hill

So you buy stuff solely based on how much money a company has? Microsoft will abandon gaming before it would go bankrupt and so would sony. Neither company’s main focus is gaming they just have gaming divisions. Also if a company is that worried about thier cash reserves then they are not selling product currently which is for a reason…. the consumer doesnt want thier product.

cromthelaughinggod7

Now that is the dumbest statement I have ever ever heard. Hahahahahahahah you moron! Do you know who creates the majority of electronics? First off Sony has been around forever they have films also. Please go play in rush hour traffic with a football helmet off you Jerry’s kid! Bankrupt! haha News flash microsoft phones tanked the only thing keeping them a float is software or xbox. Apple products reign supreme from phones to laptops shall I continue ? Even the samsung galaxy phone is killing it. They are not doing as good as you think man. NASA is just switch their systems from Dos(microsoft) to linux. Don’t kid yourself you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. You are fabricating pure lies!

areaewww

lmao microsoft keeps bailing out apple. you know they helped design ios7 right? Also xbox has been outselling the ps3 for many years. Sony admitted the ps3 division has been in the red for sometime. Xbox one is sold out as well. not sure of your argument Crom, other than how you like to suck penis

a better gamer

Sony has been on a decline for a long time its electronic division has decline for the last 5 yes. It’s TV division has almost been reduce by 50%. Its gaming division has been reduce by almost 30%. Sony lacks vision such look at the PS2 compare yo the original Xbox it had to hard drive no high speed internet. Its customer service is really bad. Oh let’s not forget their phone division is all but done. The PS4 is $400 because no would dare pay $500 for it. The PS4 lacks vision such like the PS3. Please Sony does not even own the servers for the PS3 or PS4 they lease them while Microsoft own the servers as they provide remote servers aka cloud services to other companies.

Timothy Kinnie

-_-

Um Sony as a company has more money than microsoft.

Again they are in the movie industry… Sony Pictures…

Not to mention they invented Bluray…

Microsoft has windows, and xbox.
WIndows Phone Bombed… again….

chaotikal

So that means microsoft has no vision either, since it not only does not know what the primary consumer wants in a system, but offers everything sony does with the ps4, with exception to xbone having a set top capability for a cable box, btw might want to check into Gaikai and what they do and what that means for ps4, since you have no clue what you are talking about. ;-)

Stefan G

We get driveclub for free?
I was actualy really looping forward to that game, was even willing to pay for it…
Great news thank u

Sergio Cardoso

Ya…I could not believe it. That game looks sick. I was ready to pre-order it, but no need.

Jonnatan Sanchez

Yea but Sony provides deals and sale bundles. Things like 1 hour game demos, discounts on game prices, cloud storage and auto update features are a major plus for PlayStation. Microsoft doesn’t include any of those. Yet they stiff people $60 a months for nothing just online playability. Hell you even had to get gold to. Even use things like Hulu and Netflix that needed to be payed monthly as well. Microsoft has been bleeding Xbox member for years and provided nothing to their members.

William Perdomo

Nice people are lil blind I’m glad for ps plus better online who wants to depend on some one else server I want good online but even like that I never switched to xbox rip off box

a better gamer

Where do you guys get your info at please The Xbox One is only using Microsofts servers no games will be hosted by the publishers. By the way Sony rents it servers buddy that’s no secret. While Microsofts owns their servers because they provide services to other companies. Look it up.

andrew hill

sony’s servers are all real microsoft admits to virtural servers, being non biased on this issue because owing or renting equiptment does not change its speed and we do not know either companys REAL server specs or count.

a better gamer

Really, well see your point buy the Xbox One does update on the background also the cloud service onthe Xbox One is available from day one and not on the PS4. By the way I had a PS3 as a bluray player and I can tell you Sony’s network is very slow compare to Microsofts. Let’s see you guys can now chat with multiple friends on the PS4. Can we such call it PS3 v.2

Stefan G

Always had a good internet connection on the ps3..
And btw ps4 can download everything in the background as well, even when buying a game from psn u can play it instantly while the game is downloading in the background.. But i can not see why we have this conversation, Please do stay with your Xbox but do not come whining about it when it disapoints you…

Kasif

Sony didn’t charge to play online on the ps3 and still got millions of plus subscribers. Why do u think that is? Because there is value there. If you didn’t haveto pay for gold to play online, how many people you think will keep the service? None, because there is no value there. None!!!!

Sergio Cardoso

I am a PS Plus subscriber on the PS3 and I can confirm what a steal it is. I have Nephews and they think that I spend all this money on games for them since when they come over there is always something new.

Keepin’it_Real

I’m not a Sony fan boy, I just feel the need to clear this up for you. Sony will require ps plus for their first party games with online capabilities. It is the third party developers choice of whether or not they want to make their games follow the same rules, also you don’t need ps plus to play their free to play games, many of which are going to be released day one. There for, if you have enough for the console and not as much for the online fee or games, you still have three or four games from launch for free. When drawn to perspective that gives Sony a clear advantage over Microsoft.

Victor

At least It’s more than worth it, because it requires a ps plus. We fanboys have a a lot of free games.

cromthelaughinggod7

Um it is playstation plus it is the same money I pay now and it transfers so what has changed? Rebut my statement! How does something change if it is currently in place? My account transfers to my ps4. Hello! If you speak statements make sure they are fact because that was a straight up lie! You can play if you don’t have a play station plus you just want play multiplayer games. You can’t use the internet on your pc without internet right? That sounds dumb! I pay $60 dollars for a game I don’t mind paying it a year. Playstation plus gives you free classic games to download I mean streetfighter, mortal kombat, huge expensive titles who would doesn’t want that.

William Perdomo

NO OFENCE BUT MICROSOFT IS IN COMA AFTER THE HARD BEAT UP ..PLAYSTATION THE BEST PLACE TO PLAY GAME OVER

Hacker

You lack intelligence and, you are a straight up Sony fanboy. Learn some actual facts before you judge something negatively and make yourself look like an idiot.

a better gamer

It’s funny how ask the Sony fan boys kept saying that the PS3 was going murder the Xbox360 and when it did not happen to they such kept saying that the next year it was going to be the year of the PS3 . But look Sony and it’s PS3 got rape instead. Lol

Michael Kantack

The ps3 has sold more units todate than xbox360 and the 360 had a year head start and their numbers were inflated by all the bros having to buy multiple systems from rrod…

ESTK921

It “got rape”? Anyway, the PS3 is ahead of the xBox in terms of sales. Sure, it was lower at launch but, its above the xbox now. This is what it looked like for the xbox one now. However, it can turn around.
Also, you keep talking about “fanboys” and you clearly are one yourself, and a rather annoying one at that.
Hypocrite.

Casi Munoz

actually ps3 has outsold xbox. so stfu and go play games

Steven Solidarios

Too bad gaikai isnt launching with Ps4. That would really kill xbox for good! Back catalog of ps games streaming to the system. I wouldnt be suprised if they released bigger games that are beyond the capabilities of the Ps4 once the service starts.

Hacker

You obviously don’t know anything. Microsoft’s cloud computing is much better than Sony’s cloud storage. The Xbox One will only get more powerful.

Steven Solidarios

Do you even know what the difference between gaikai and ms cloud computing is? Gaikai streams the game being played to the ps4. Its being processed somewhere else. This is not unlike the onlive service offered not too long ago. Microsoft is offering cloud based enhancements to games. If you are connected to xbox live then you will see these enhancements. If you are offline, then you will not. Microsoft FIRST party titles will definitely support cloud based enhancements. 3rd part developers may forego these enhancements because it would require extra development time to make a cloud based and non cloud based version of the game. Gaikai has been proven to work. Has Microsoft’s? NO! Microsoft has already said they did not build a game system.

Victor

But isn’t cloud the reason why xbox one needs the 24 hour Check in? I might be wrong about that. They just removed that feature recently.

Steven Solidarios

I think I heard they removed the cloud features because they removed the drm and the 24hr check in. You are right.

Game sharing was one of the features removed. Along with direct playing from the hard drive after install. Now the disc has to be in the drive.

Venge Drac

The 24 hour check is now history. Both Consoles are now in an equal playing field. MS got rid of the policy cause they realized they fucked up their own console. Plus PS4 was taking all their XBOX customers. SO that tells me MS is and always will be a bunch of MONEY needing people. They know PS4 would had everyone on their side so I call FEAR on MS side of town.

Phobos

MS got the message, if they didn’t mention the 24hr check in the first place maybe things would been different. Too late for that the presales already favor the ps4.

Jon Poirier

There are two main issues with Microsoft’s cloud computing. Latency and bandwidth. Even if the latency ( lag time) is low it’s still not fast enough to be used for reaction based computations,like crashing in Forza, an enemy detecting you, a building being destroyed etc. The main thing Microsoft execs could come up with when interviewed was static lighting and enhanced multiplayer, such as more people in a match. It could also be used for static ai, such as background characters in skyrim and gta, which is where the cloud could really shine. The other issue, bandwidth is not so easily solved. Even on super fast fiber optic connections upload speed is an abysmal six or so mb/s. On a standard cable connection it’s around 1mb/s. Considering both machines are capable of over 100,000 mb/s computational power, that few mb/s that cloud computing offers is extraordinarily underwhelming. In theory of bandwidth and latency were not issues cloud computing really could make the xbox an amazingly fast machine, but in reality it just won’t.

Liam

It has been confirmed that the PS4 can use the cloud in the same way the Xbox will, using the cloud to process large maps like in Planetside 2. You can also stream games from the cloud which doesn’t use the PS4 to process the game.
I think I might buy a Vita as well, playing my PS4 games wherever there is a good wifi connection is brilliant.

Jesse Mcgoldrick

Sorry, but what planet are you living on? Let me bring you up to speed. Microsofts cloud computing is primarily designed to allow developers access to extra computing power. I think I read somewhere each xbone has the equivalent of three xbox 360’s of computational power allocated to it in the cloud, which sounds great and would be a huge benefit, as in terms of raw hardware power the xbone is clearly (albeit not drastically) inferior to the ps4. HOWEVER, for the forseeable long-term there will always be people with slow or no internet connections, which means developers can not rely on all users having access to this extra power (in the way that they can rely on users having kinect 2.0 for example) and are very unlikely to spend money on implementing significant cloud features into their game engines when many users will not benefit. Bandwidth and speed issues also mean that cloud processing would be virtually useless for most time critical graphical applications and could only really be used for off screen a.i. or data processing for example fifa ultimate team etc. or when you ‘wait’ in skyrim and it processes all the events taking place in the background, or more likely it would be used to implement media features, transcoding recorded videos etc. editing and processing of online pictures and videos. Obviously there are probably more inventive uses but it’s relevance to the computational requirements of games is very limited when developers can’t rely on access for every user. Cloud computing is another example of microsoft being blind to the fact that not everyone has a fast broadband connection. PS4 could easily impement these features in the future if it needs to but why would it? Gaikai game streaming is a much better use of servers. Developers won’t have to spend any extra time developing games, the same game will either be available for download or immediate streaming. Users without fast internet won’t miss out on features, they will just have to download before they start playing, except in the case of backwards compatibility which would only be available via streaming, but this would also be the only method of backwards compatibility in the short term on the xbox 360 too. You seem very sure that microsofts implementation of the cloud will be ‘much better’ than ps4’s so I would love to know how and why?

Matthew

Xbox one is in first place on amazon. Ps4 is in third. So I honestly think that both consoles will both sell the same amount at launch.

bob

what? No its not, amazon pulled its poll after ps4 had like 95% of consumer votes.

ofcourse xbox is No 1. ps4 already sold out. they cant keep selling sold out items.

andrew hill

xbox one’s in first with its only model sony is selling more total ps4’s, nice try

Saeteurnkl

lol you are so clueless

Liam

There are 5 different PS4’s in the top ten compared to One Xbox One.
I wanted there to be 4 PS4’s in the top ten so I could say Playstation 4 Xbox 1 lol

Suckmymagnum

Xbox one strategically removed their pre-order restrictions after announcing the DRM change. So now on amazon they have only 1 SKU. Go ahead and look for their standard edition, you can no longer order it. PS4 has 2-5th place 8th and 15th place. And it has been said that they still lead by a margin of approximately 2:1 at gamestop. No fanboyism just facts

Sergio Cardoso

For numbers to have meaning, it’s important to understand their context. That does not reflect the total of units sold. One reason that the PS3 has multiple skus and bundles. Another is that this represents recent orders not total units ordered.

Jason Wilson

In amazon UK Ps4 is 2nd and Xbox one is 3rd, but on american amazon Xbox one is 2nd and Ps4 is 3rd but Ps4 has like 6 bundles that’s like in the top 10 .They both are pretty close but i think Ps4 has the upper hand.

Ray C

I agree both systems will sell just fine. I don’t get his anti-MS obsession so many people have. Every article on this site and others whether it be about XbOne or PS4 somehow always desegregates into dozens of comments about why MS and XBOne are so awful. The amount of Sony people who come onto MS articles is like 2 or 3 times the number of pro-MS people who go onto Sony threads. Personally, I don’t remember the last Sony product I or anyone I know bought outside of their computers. I’ve never had a problem with a VAIO system. Outside of the PS4, I don’t know where they would be without their non-tech sectors just as film. People said the 360 was going to have half the sales of PS3. How did that work out? Both systems are going to sell because a lot of people could care less about all the internet chatter and fanboyism. I know people who had the PS1 and PS2 and still ended up getting a 360. The same will probably be true of XBone. I don’t get where people get this idea that MS will not be able to sell even a decent number of consoles. The majority of people who had a 360 will have a One. There will probably be a small percentage of people who switch from one system or the other, but none of these numbers any of us are talking about right now really don’t make a difference. The only numbers that really matter at the numbers 1 or 2 years out.

Keepin’it_Real

Everyone posting *besides me* is inconsiderate :( the Wii U is the next gen console to have!!!!!! Comes with drawing tablet, Google maps virtual tours!?! I may never have to leave my house again!!! If I want to eat breakfast in France i’ll search for a restaurant make my breakfast, put on a soothing french cd and then…. Sit down in front of my T.V and eat my home made breakfast looking into the beautiful area of france.

Akash jethwa

I subscribed to PS+ a few months back and i can say it is the best £30 i have spent on gaming (Due to a deal in Game). I have received free games like Infamous 2, Demon Souls, Uncharted 3 single player and many many more! Not to mention that next month Battlefield 3 and Saints Row 3 will also be free. I am more than happy to give Sony a yearly fee.

Liam

Wow I knew PS+ was good, but not that good!! WHY am I not a PS+ subscriber?

Saeteurnkl

plus drive club will be free on ps4 launch. Its gives you free stuff and perks. Not a dam paywall like xbox live. You only need ps plus for mutiplayer. So you can still play online apps like netflx and hulu and free to play games without it unlike… xbox live lol

Josh

See, I graduated highschool so I could leave drama like this, it’s so freaking petty, it’s unbelievable. These dumb arguements are why I’ve chosen to stop gaming. It’s not worth the stress guys, just grow up,there’s a hell of a lot more fun things in the real world than on any console that will ever be released

Liam

Yep you are completely right, but I need to do something when I’m at home and I love Gaming, so I got a Ps3 to do that :)

mazty

True, but gaming is good for killing an hour or two every so often. “Gamers” tend to be brash, insecure teenagers best avoided, but some games are still a laugh and as you don’t have to meet said gamers in person, it’s not all so bad.

Guest

hopeless and useless fanboy. no life

noel bearboy

hi

noel bearboy

u guys should make the ps4 a 750 gb ps4 or even a terrabit what do you think and put streetfighter 5 on it too

We Need Jesus!!!

terabit = 128 gigabytes

seems retarded to make it smaller.

chojin999

The ugly atrocious latest Playstation3 “revisions”… plastic silly cheap case that turned an excellently engineered product like the Playstation3 into a pathetic toy.

Either you are naive kids that enjoy being sheep or you are Sony employees that have orders to defend selling crap products.

a better gamer

I agree with you. I had both the ps3 and the Xbox 360. I enjoyed the time spent on the Xbox 360 online to great. Any way I paid off the Xbox one already.

mazty

They revise the PS3, use cheaper parts and lower the price…Seems fair to me. Stop whining kid. The hardware inside is the same (actually it’s better if we want to be pedantic) so you are just bitching about the aesthetics of a console. Get a life. Get an education.

Max Munro

The original PS3 was the ugliest console in history.

PS3 slim is much better, and no horrible fingerprints.

a better gamer

Please Sony customer service is so bad that when my original PS3 broke they ask me to pay $150 plus shipping to send it to them and they in return would send a refurbish slim model. Now lets see I paid for a system that could play whole library of games ever publish for the ps1 ,2 , and 3 plus I could any memory card. Their answer was to screw me over witha cheap water down ugly looking box missing half the function I pay for. Oh let’s not forget they get hack and don’t say a thing to it’s customers plus two months down at one time. That company is a joke and a Shell of what Sony was 15 yrs ago

Saeteurnkl

if it was under warranty they would have given expedited a box to you and paid for all shipping fees.I got my ps4 fixed in a week. no cost to me. so your complaint is you want to be treated better for things outside warranty periods which all companies will make you pay to get things fix. Xbox included

We Need Jesus!!!

u got ur ps4 fixed in a week. Liar spotted.

NEWS FLASH: PS4 hasn’t been released yet Liar.

Saeteurnkl

So I miss typed ps4. Still had my ps3 fixed in a week. Keep spewing your bs

FAGS

“Hacker” and “A better gamer” are console war faggots I LAWL at how they think their “opinons” (or LIES) are going to change peoples minds

a better gamer

You are a moron, it’s an opinion no has said that it will change anything. But seen how you can’t differ the correct information from what you read it stands to say you didn’t finished high school.

FAGS

TBH you can’t even call them opinions if they are flat out lies , and you do not “finished” highschool you GRADUATE highschool

a better gamer

Poor child is not graduate, it’s graduated pass tense. By the way what are the flat out lies? You seem to be under the opinion that you have the correct info so posted it and stop crying you poor child.

FAGS

“from what you read it stands to say you didn’t finished high school”

YOU are the FUCKUP that put PAST tense on a statement that didn’t need it and you have the nerve to try (and fail) to correct me on my correction? You’re not even good at being a social degenerate. kill yourself and do yourself and everyone you come in contact with a favor.

you are LYING about the ONE’s RAM being superior all the DEVS and professionals are on the PS4’s side when it comes to DDRM5 > DDRM3

a better gamer

Listen my cheap poor child I did not say. By the way you ever wonder why turn out to be a moron.

Saeteurnkl

xbox live is actually a dam pay wall. You have to pay for internet twice lol You can use anything without it.

PS Plus benefits players and is only optional if you choose to play multiplayer. You can still access online apps and programs.

Darrick Cogburn

Listen here stupid people it’s sony’s console they can charge anything they want & idiots will still buy it I’ll buy it at whatever the price I’m glad they made it mandatory to have

Tehani

I almost never use MP, but in the event that I do, it being free on PS3 was nice. I have Xbox live, but that is only because nothing else can be accessed without it.

muhanad aljanabi

I had xbox 360 mainly for Gears of war not halo and surely not froze, then i got ps3 on launch for £425 from gamestation, I had both system and while i didnt pay anything for ps3 to play online i had to pay for xbox 360, up until this moment i still have my original ps3 60 gig, while i had to replace my xbox 360 6 times over the years due to the ring of death.

I must say that since the launch of ps+ in 2010 i started paying for this subscription and i don’t regret it at all, free games to download plus discount and it was linked to my ps vita and its a real joy.

I was thinking of getting the xbox one to be honest, mainly for cross game chat and private party, cause playstation lack that feature but after the DRM dilemma, i preordered a ps4 and i would never look at MS and their X1 again.

If you say im a fanboy you would make your self an idiot cause i own and love both console, but microsoft lost me and i can literally say all of my friend because of that darn DRM. I know many would say they removed it, but who knows what they will do in a year or 2 since it already in the TOS.

Plus i do not like kinect and i already have the original kinect, i use it when i have friends over to play some sport games but that is it. Having the kinect turned on all the time is a Big no to me, why on earth would i want to have it on all the time is beyond me.

Ah before i finish i want to tell you that my HD player that i bought for my xbox is a paper weight right now and i cant even sell it. See how microsoft reward its loyal customer and then you can about getting their new system.

I’m getting both. No one really knows how good either one will be. Why? Because we haven’t played them but I do know they’ll both be good. 5 a month is cheap for online play and that’s the price for both. Xbl is 60 dollars for 12 months. Both have great graphics and exclusives. Bottom line is if you don’t have both you’re missing out. Also wtf is 100? Big deal. Systems used to be 600 and you have till November to pay it off.

Joshua Lawson

Since I have both current systems and am a fan of both let me drop some knowledge. The 360 had better online play hands down. The ps3 had a friendlier and efficient ui. The internet connection process is better on the ps3. Downloading things on both pretty much sucked. Pc to console streaming was better on ps3. The feel of the controller was better for 360. Social features were better on 360. My point is both consoles were good and excelled in different areas and I couldn’t choose between either of them. You’re a consumer who I guess works for your money so by all means by the console of your choosing. But the bashing of each other is lame childish and frankly lame as hell. If y’allv put half of this effort in getting some a*s half of y’all wouldn’t be virgins still.

Brando

Personally, I think the $50 mp fee is good. Now when you re-sell your used games on Craigslist or eBay, buyers will have one less thing to low ball you on. Sony has helped keep money in your pocket and is keeping power house companies like ea from nickel and diming you because you bought a used copy. Plus ps+ is pretty nice, it’s just majority of people didn’t find it necassary. Now there’s no choice.

Wiilove_u

I believe Sony will release the PS4 on November 13th 2013 http://www.ps4.sx has been counting down to that date, since the announcement was made at E3.

Vixzer

I do not mind paying for PSN plus and I definitely do not mind to keep paying if Sony improves PSN and the MP.

The other services like Hulu and Netflix do not mean anything for me as I do not live in the US/Europe…

I just want to play my games in peace (be it MP or Not) and Sony will help me keep it that way with a (hopefully) improved PSN. Cheers!!

Go get them Sony. I am waiting for my day one pre-order to come home ;-)

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