To my chagrin, I realized yesterday that while I have been away tending to some personal needs, the most artistic, creative, delightfull,uplifting and playful works of literature on LF had been removed from the blog area with the removal of Lazy Afternoons blog. It was a blog where one could always go for a variety of comments-some uplifting, some outrageous, some thought provoking, others whimsical. I shall miss it.
I don't have the time, nor the desire to read through all the past blogs to ascertain exactly what happened, although it appears that the moral character of some people are being judged, feelings have been hurt, and rather than friends bringing out the best in each other, friends have brought out the worst.
We are all from different backgrounds,cultures,nationalities and have diverse spiritual beliefs. That's what makes us all unique individuals. What is morally acceptable to one of us, may not be acceptable to another.
Some may say a man was wrong for honestly stating he wanted sex with no strings attached.
Some may say a man was wrong for saying in his blog he wasn't married;many will say that even though he posted that, they realized he probably was married or was in a relationship.
Some may say the man was open, honest, and upfront about his relationship status at the time and his thoughts of seperating from his wife.
Some may say they chose to stay away because they didn't know what his status was.
Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man.
Some may say this was wrong.
Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man who was currently seperated from his wife.
Some may say this was wrong.
Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man who was currently seperated from his wife.
Some may say this was wrong.
Some may say it was wrong for some people to know the man's marital status and not tell others.
Some may say that telling others would be a breach in confidentiality between friends, and that is wrong.
Some may say they chose to stay away because they encouraged him to stay with his wife and try to make his marriage and family successful and they didn't want to be a part of possibly tearing it further apart.
I am far from perfect and don't believe that I deserve the right to criticize, judge, or condemn any of the folks involved in this situation. Not one of us is perfect;if we think we are, we are just fooling ourselves.
I am saddened this all happened and hope that people here will find forgiveness for one another in their hearts.

To my chagrin, I realized yesterday that while I have been away tending to some personal needs, the most artistic, creative, delightfull,uplifting and playful works of literature on LF had been removed from the blog area with the removal of Lazy Afternoons blog. It was a blog where one could always go for a variety of comments-some uplifting, some outrageous, some thought provoking, others whimsical. I shall miss it. I don't have the time, nor the desire to read through all the past blogs to ascertain exactly what happened, although it appears that the moral character of some people are being judged, feelings have been hurt, and rather than friends bringing out the best in each other, friends have brought out the worst. We are all from different backgrounds,cultures,nationalities and have diverse spiritual beliefs. That's what makes us all unique individuals. What is morally acceptable to one of us, may not be acceptable to another. Some may say a man was wrong for honestly stating he wanted sex with no strings attached. Some may say a man was wrong for saying in his blog he wasn't married;many will say that even though he posted that, they realized he probably was married or was in a relationship. Some may say the man was open, honest, and upfront about his relationship status at the time and his thoughts of seperating from his wife. Some may say they chose to stay away because they didn't know what his status was. Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man. Some may say this was wrong. Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man who was currently seperated from his wife. Some may say this was wrong. Some may say they chose to see him anyway as they thought it was morally acceptable to have a relationship with a married man who was currently seperated from his wife. Some may say this was wrong. Some may say it was wrong for some people to know the man's marital status and not tell others. Some may say that telling others would be a breach in confidentiality between friends, and that is wrong. Some may say they chose to stay away because they encouraged him to stay with his wife and try to make his marriage and family successful and they didn't want to be a part of possibly tearing it further apart. I am far from perfect and don't believe that I deserve the right to criticize, judge, or condemn any of the folks involved in this situation. Not one of us is perfect;if we think we are, we are just fooling ourselves. I am saddened this all happened and hope that people here will find forgiveness for one another in their hearts.

No chip for me sweetie... just tired of your crap. Believe me... it is obvious to everyone WHO has the chip on their shoulder around here... LMAO!
Yours truly,
The VERY HAPPILY MARRIED WHO DOESN'T CHEAT ON HER HUSBAND Kewanna

No chip for me sweetie... just tired of your crap. Believe me... it is obvious to everyone WHO has the chip on their shoulder around here... LMAO! Yours truly, The VERY HAPPILY MARRIED WHO DOESN'T CHEAT ON HER HUSBAND Kewanna

Oh God... I do hope that means we don't have to put up with your crap anymore. YOU have stunk up the place!
You know what Lazy... you don't have to apologize to me... I don't need it. I saw through your little games from the beginning... and I posted as such. I just sit back and laugh at you because you are so pathetic. You know, you can attack whoever you want on here because we have all seen your true colors. As for Wanda... oh god... who cares anymore... let her believe what she wants... she is obviously delusional... lol! There's a part of me that feels sorry for you because you have let the nasty old jealousy bug crawl up your butt ... but guess what? You'll get yours in the end because Karma's a b*tch you know!

Re:
NeoAnderson write:
but this place has given me a sour taste in my mouth.

Re: NeoAnderson write: but this place has given me a sour taste in my mouth.

Oh God... I do hope that means we don't have to put up with your crap anymore. YOU have stunk up the place! You know what Lazy... you don't have to apologize to me... I don't need it. I saw through your little games from the beginning... and I posted as such. I just sit back and laugh at you because you are so pathetic. You know, you can attack whoever you want on here because we have all seen your true colors. As for Wanda... oh god... who cares anymore... let her believe what she wants... she is obviously delusional... lol! There's a part of me that feels sorry for you because you have let the nasty old jealousy bug crawl up your butt ... but guess what? You'll get yours in the end because Karma's a b*tch you know!

I do feel everything that I wrote but I also wish this whole discussion would dissappear. It was on its way I thought till this popped up....
To whomever started the offending blogs...why not just hey are not doing delete them yourselves...they are not doing any good...

I do feel everything that I wrote but I also wish this whole discussion would dissappear. It was on its way I thought till this popped up.... To whomever started the offending blogs...why not just hey are not doing delete them yourselves...they are not doing any good...

You know if you grew a pair, owned up to your boo-boo, and sincerely apologized you MIGHT actually find people would consider forgiving your sorry butt!! Instead you just keep playing that martyr card and apparently only Wanda is buying the bs you are selling.

Re:
NeoAnderson write:
This has gotten so ugly.
This is my take on things:
At one point Amuse and I were confidants. I trusted her....and months went by.
Suddenly I see a post from Mr. Bitter on the Pina Colada thread essentially breaking the trust that I thought that I had with Amuse. What Mr. Bitter said was inaccurate and unfair and I felt betrayed....especially considering that I was always decent and supportive to Amuse prior to this occurrence.
Add to this the fact that Amuse and I IM?d only days or weeks before this betrayal and she was as I knew her to be previously, she mentioned that she and Mr. Bitter were developing a relationship but that she didn?t know where she stood with him. She was minorly sexual toward me and this wasn?t unusual. She also downplayed her and Mr. Bitter?s status as a couple.
Obviously people here have their minds made up but understand this: Amuse wrote what she did because she wanted to prove to Mr. Bitter that she was in some way committed to him. She betrayed my trust and she did it regardless of me supporting her when she had issues with some Project Manager guy, I also made sure that she received some drawings she had done for her children in NYC. I, as far as the confines of our relationship dictated, acted in good faith toward her. She blind-sided me and in doing so she indirectly had the Lazy blog deleted. She ratted me out and she did so without regard to the trust that I thought had developed between us.
?and then most of LF?s population, including people whom I thought were friendly, start pointing the finger and condemning. How would you expect somebody to react? I was betrayed and then condemned and I?d never acted dishonorably toward Amuse or anyone else for that matter.
Now we have a new norm on LF, general nastiness is accepted whereas before people were on more positive terms. Wylde chatters and falls off of her chair a lot, Timothy (whoever he is) acts like a regular and agrees with anyone in order to me accepted (the sook?).
What has occurred here is a demonstration of human nature?s less admirable traits. It has been a lesson to me to not trust people in the future. I never expected to be betrayed by somebody that I?d acted honorably toward and I never expected the flurry of easy condemnation that followed.
I thank you Wanda for being one of the few who remember the situation as it was. I?ve also had chats with LF users off-line who agree with your sentiments.
LA

Re: NeoAnderson write: This has gotten so ugly. This is my take on things: At one point Amuse and I were confidants. I trusted her....and months went by. Suddenly I see a post from Mr. Bitter on the Pina Colada thread essentially breaking the trust that I thought that I had with Amuse. What Mr. Bitter said was inaccurate and unfair and I felt betrayed....especially considering that I was always decent and supportive to Amuse prior to this occurrence. Add to this the fact that Amuse and I IM?d only days or weeks before this betrayal and she was as I knew her to be previously, she mentioned that she and Mr. Bitter were developing a relationship but that she didn?t know where she stood with him. She was minorly sexual toward me and this wasn?t unusual. She also downplayed her and Mr. Bitter?s status as a couple. Obviously people here have their minds made up but understand this: Amuse wrote what she did because she wanted to prove to Mr. Bitter that she was in some way committed to him. She betrayed my trust and she did it regardless of me supporting her when she had issues with some Project Manager guy, I also made sure that she received some drawings she had done for her children in NYC. I, as far as the confines of our relationship dictated, acted in good faith toward her. She blind-sided me and in doing so she indirectly had the Lazy blog deleted. She ratted me out and she did so without regard to the trust that I thought had developed between us. ?and then most of LF?s population, including people whom I thought were friendly, start pointing the finger and condemning. How would you expect somebody to react? I was betrayed and then condemned and I?d never acted dishonorably toward Amuse or anyone else for that matter. Now we have a new norm on LF, general nastiness is accepted whereas before people were on more positive terms. Wylde chatters and falls off of her chair a lot, Timothy (whoever he is) acts like a regular and agrees with anyone in order to me accepted (the sook?). What has occurred here is a demonstration of human nature?s less admirable traits. It has been a lesson to me to not trust people in the future. I never expected to be betrayed by somebody that I?d acted honorably toward and I never expected the flurry of easy condemnation that followed. I thank you Wanda for being one of the few who remember the situation as it was. I?ve also had chats with LF users off-line who agree with your sentiments. LA

You know if you grew a pair, owned up to your boo-boo, and sincerely apologized you MIGHT actually find people would consider forgiving your sorry butt!! Instead you just keep playing that martyr card and apparently only Wanda is buying the bs you are selling.

What a self-righteous, condescending, judgemental load of crap!!!!
But then again this IS your blog and you can say whatever you want. Just keep posing for that statue...

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wanda_world write:
Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, once said that love is the force that can liberate. In other words, he agreed with the Christian belief-to love our enemy and bless them that curse us, to do good to them that hate us, and pray for those who despitefully use us and persecute us. Buddhists speak of salvation by understanding, that understanding is the power that can liberate us and lack of understanding creates suffering. They meditate and practice mindfulness.
When we are upset, if we meditate and look deeply into ourselves-helping us to understand better-true love becomes possible. When we examine a situation and our anger, we eventually should see that our "enemy" is also suffering as well, and our capacity for accepting them and having compassion for them should arise.
Someone mentioned the horror of 9-11, the destruction and devastation of which can't even compare with this situation. Truth is, we can't uproot terror and war from others; we can only look deeply in ourselves and our community to see how we can work towards peace. Sending all the weapons and terrorists in the world to another planet won't change the fact that the roots of bombs and war are still here-in our minds and in our hearts-because we refuse to change our hearts from hearts that contain anger,frustration,bitterness, animosity and violence into hearts of love and compassion for others. So more weapons,bombs and terrorists will continue to be made unless we change ourselves.
I agree this is a community. After looking deeply, our collective wisdom as a community should give us a loving and kind solution to a difficult situation, not contribute to us desiring to foster animosity towards one another. The world does that already and look at the mess it is in!
We love one another by understanding others-why they are the way they are,why they do the things they do. When we understand another we gain the power to love and accept them; since we can't "love our enemy", once we understand them, they are no longer our enemy. If we practice mindfulness, we should become aware that our own actions have caused others to suffer in the past while the actions of others has caused us to suffer. We should want to be forgiving of each other so we can begin anew. We can't force ourselves to forgive another; only when we can see and understand what has happened can we have compassion for each other and forgive them. If we practice mindfulness we eventually can see the causes that led another to make us suffer, then we can find forgiveness in our hearts and release them.
My understanding is that it is believed in the practice of zhen-shan-ren (truthfulness,kindness,compassion,benevolence,endurance,forbearance and tolerance), when one commits a wrong doing they give the person whom they wronged their de (virtue-merit-a precious white substance). One should try to preserve their de, rather than just trying to obtain more through suffering, doing good deeds and enduring setbacks. One can lose their de when committing a wrong-doing;they give their de to the person whom they wronged according to how badly one beats up the other. When a persons " ego" or "self" feels humiliated and 'punches' back, they return the de back to the person who gave it to them, so one is best off just accepting the humiliation and keeping the de they were given from the other. In this way one prospers and grows.
Lazy, if you have made derogatory statements about me behind closed doors as was implied in one of these posts, I am surprised as I believed you to be of better character than that. But I forgive you, as I forgive AmuseMe, who appears to have believed it necessary to have brought this disclosure to the forefront. My ego is not hurt, and no, AmuseMe, surprisingly I don't have Lazy's blog copied and pasted in my 'puter, even though my infatuation with Lazy was not sexually based but based on his ability to be ingenious,creative and playful. He stimulated my brain to be creative; many men can have great sex, not as many have the ability to entice my brain, and I enjoyed bantering with him. Writing and playing on the blogs here was a big stress reliever and leisure activity for me when the rest of the world around me was asleep and I was awake after working in a stressful environment and I enjoyed the stimulation and entertainment. I also forgive you HoneyBiscuit, who for some reason that I don't quite understand, found it necessary to attempt to infer that my logic and intelligence were suddenly flawed. As I have said previously, we are unique individuals and we all won't always see things the same way. This is how I see things, which is apparently quite different from the way some see things here.
I reiterate what I said in my first post regarding Lazy's blog. I am a firm believer that we all make mistakes and people should try to find forgiveness in their hearts. This includes Lazy. I am not condoning anyone's behavior here.
'When an average person is humiliated, he'll draw his sword to fight."
I don't know about anyone else, but I try to be an above average person. I have always been fascinated watching and observing peoples behavior and reactions to different situations and circumstances,( one of the reasons I enjoyed Lazy's blog), as I have sometimes in the past enjoyed seeing the response I could elicit from some people. I like trying to think outside the box and color outside the lines in an effort to be the best person I can be and to see how far my mind is capable of bending. I know I am not perfect, I know I have failed many times and have hurt others and I have had to ask for forgiveness. But none of that changes the fact that I believe that an honorable attribute is to have the ability to say "I'm sorry, please forgive me."
In Judaism there is the term an "eye for an eye", which means this is what the person deserves- if not for the mercy of God. " But God indeed requires us to have mercy on each other. As Gandhi once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
Two wrongs don't make a right folks, no matter what excuses you can come up with and no matter who started the problem.
There ya have my opinion-be it "holier than thou" or not. Personally, I think if we are going to spend time fighting, it should be for some better purpose, such as absolute egalitarianism.

Re: wanda_world write: Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, once said that love is the force that can liberate. In other words, he agreed with the Christian belief-to love our enemy and bless them that curse us, to do good to them that hate us, and pray for those who despitefully use us and persecute us. Buddhists speak of salvation by understanding, that understanding is the power that can liberate us and lack of understanding creates suffering. They meditate and practice mindfulness. When we are upset, if we meditate and look deeply into ourselves-helping us to understand better-true love becomes possible. When we examine a situation and our anger, we eventually should see that our "enemy" is also suffering as well, and our capacity for accepting them and having compassion for them should arise. Someone mentioned the horror of 9-11, the destruction and devastation of which can't even compare with this situation. Truth is, we can't uproot terror and war from others; we can only look deeply in ourselves and our community to see how we can work towards peace. Sending all the weapons and terrorists in the world to another planet won't change the fact that the roots of bombs and war are still here-in our minds and in our hearts-because we refuse to change our hearts from hearts that contain anger,frustration,bitterness, animosity and violence into hearts of love and compassion for others. So more weapons,bombs and terrorists will continue to be made unless we change ourselves. I agree this is a community. After looking deeply, our collective wisdom as a community should give us a loving and kind solution to a difficult situation, not contribute to us desiring to foster animosity towards one another. The world does that already and look at the mess it is in! We love one another by understanding others-why they are the way they are,why they do the things they do. When we understand another we gain the power to love and accept them; since we can't "love our enemy", once we understand them, they are no longer our enemy. If we practice mindfulness, we should become aware that our own actions have caused others to suffer in the past while the actions of others has caused us to suffer. We should want to be forgiving of each other so we can begin anew. We can't force ourselves to forgive another; only when we can see and understand what has happened can we have compassion for each other and forgive them. If we practice mindfulness we eventually can see the causes that led another to make us suffer, then we can find forgiveness in our hearts and release them. My understanding is that it is believed in the practice of zhen-shan-ren (truthfulness,kindness,compassion,benevolence,endurance,forbearance and tolerance), when one commits a wrong doing they give the person whom they wronged their de (virtue-merit-a precious white substance). One should try to preserve their de, rather than just trying to obtain more through suffering, doing good deeds and enduring setbacks. One can lose their de when committing a wrong-doing;they give their de to the person whom they wronged according to how badly one beats up the other. When a persons " ego" or "self" feels humiliated and 'punches' back, they return the de back to the person who gave it to them, so one is best off just accepting the humiliation and keeping the de they were given from the other. In this way one prospers and grows. Lazy, if you have made derogatory statements about me behind closed doors as was implied in one of these posts, I am surprised as I believed you to be of better character than that. But I forgive you, as I forgive AmuseMe, who appears to have believed it necessary to have brought this disclosure to the forefront. My ego is not hurt, and no, AmuseMe, surprisingly I don't have Lazy's blog copied and pasted in my 'puter, even though my infatuation with Lazy was not sexually based but based on his ability to be ingenious,creative and playful. He stimulated my brain to be creative; many men can have great sex, not as many have the ability to entice my brain, and I enjoyed bantering with him. Writing and playing on the blogs here was a big stress reliever and leisure activity for me when the rest of the world around me was asleep and I was awake after working in a stressful environment and I enjoyed the stimulation and entertainment. I also forgive you HoneyBiscuit, who for some reason that I don't quite understand, found it necessary to attempt to infer that my logic and intelligence were suddenly flawed. As I have said previously, we are unique individuals and we all won't always see things the same way. This is how I see things, which is apparently quite different from the way some see things here. I reiterate what I said in my first post regarding Lazy's blog. I am a firm believer that we all make mistakes and people should try to find forgiveness in their hearts. This includes Lazy. I am not condoning anyone's behavior here. 'When an average person is humiliated, he'll draw his sword to fight." I don't know about anyone else, but I try to be an above average person. I have always been fascinated watching and observing peoples behavior and reactions to different situations and circumstances,( one of the reasons I enjoyed Lazy's blog), as I have sometimes in the past enjoyed seeing the response I could elicit from some people. I like trying to think outside the box and color outside the lines in an effort to be the best person I can be and to see how far my mind is capable of bending. I know I am not perfect, I know I have failed many times and have hurt others and I have had to ask for forgiveness. But none of that changes the fact that I believe that an honorable attribute is to have the ability to say "I'm sorry, please forgive me." In Judaism there is the term an "eye for an eye", which means this is what the person deserves- if not for the mercy of God. " But God indeed requires us to have mercy on each other. As Gandhi once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Two wrongs don't make a right folks, no matter what excuses you can come up with and no matter who started the problem. There ya have my opinion-be it "holier than thou" or not. Personally, I think if we are going to spend time fighting, it should be for some better purpose, such as absolute egalitarianism.

What a self-righteous, condescending, judgemental load of crap!!!! But then again this IS your blog and you can say whatever you want. Just keep posing for that statue...

It appears that the Lazy/Amuse Me subject is being rehashed yet again.
If anyone truly wishes to reread Lazy's blog, just use a web archive search engine and find it, most of it is available. Or, start one yourself. I see no reason why there cannot be enjoyable banter here in addition to voicing our opinions, no matter what they are. I always enjoyed reading Lazy's blog. It was the aftermath of an unfortunate situation that I found distasteful.
Well, enough of falling off of my chair for now...*grin*

It appears that the Lazy/Amuse Me subject is being rehashed yet again. If anyone truly wishes to reread Lazy's blog, just use a web archive search engine and find it, most of it is available. Or, start one yourself. I see no reason why there cannot be enjoyable banter here in addition to voicing our opinions, no matter what they are. I always enjoyed reading Lazy's blog. It was the aftermath of an unfortunate situation that I found distasteful. Well, enough of falling off of my chair for now...*grin*

OH HOW DARE YOU! You are a dispicable creature indeed.
Awww.. you sent me pictures I - yes I - bought in NY and now your this honorable, innocent bystander caught in a drive by? LMFAO. Even still with your lies you try to wedge your way between betterman and I... so sad really, you will never come between us. Your memory is a joke to me now, I hope you got what you wanted out of this little game of yours.
oh Honey? I know you weren't sticking up for me, but thanks for hitting the nail on the head. Much love.

Re:
NeoAnderson write:
This has gotten so ugly.
This is my take on things:
At one point Amuse and I were confidants. I trusted her....and months went by.
Suddenly I see a post from Mr. Bitter on the Pina Colada thread essentially breaking the trust that I thought that I had with Amuse. What Mr. Bitter said was inaccurate and unfair and I felt betrayed....especially considering that I was always decent and supportive to Amuse prior to this occurrence.
Add to this the fact that Amuse and I IM?d only days or weeks before this betrayal and she was as I knew her to be previously, she mentioned that she and Mr. Bitter were developing a relationship but that she didn?t know where she stood with him. She was minorly sexual toward me and this wasn?t unusual. She also downplayed her and Mr. Bitter?s status as a couple.
Obviously people here have their minds made up but understand this: Amuse wrote what she did because she wanted to prove to Mr. Bitter that she was in some way committed to him. She betrayed my trust and she did it regardless of me supporting her when she had issues with some Project Manager guy, I also made sure that she received some drawings she had done for her children in NYC. I, as far as the confines of our relationship dictated, acted in good faith toward her. She blind-sided me and in doing so she indirectly had the Lazy blog deleted. She ratted me out and she did so without regard to the trust that I thought had developed between us.
?and then most of LF?s population, including people whom I thought were friendly, start pointing the finger and condemning. How would you expect somebody to react? I was betrayed and then condemned and I?d never acted dishonorably toward Amuse or anyone else for that matter.
Now we have a new norm on LF, general nastiness is accepted whereas before people were on more positive terms. Wylde chatters and falls off of her chair a lot, Timothy (whoever he is) acts like a regular and agrees with anyone in order to me accepted (the sook?).
What has occurred here is a demonstration of human nature?s less admirable traits. It has been a lesson to me to not trust people in the future. I never expected to be betrayed by somebody that I?d acted honorably toward and I never expected the flurry of easy condemnation that followed.
I thank you Wanda for being one of the few who remember the situation as it was. I?ve also had chats with LF users off-line who agree with your sentiments.
LA

Re: NeoAnderson write: This has gotten so ugly. This is my take on things: At one point Amuse and I were confidants. I trusted her....and months went by. Suddenly I see a post from Mr. Bitter on the Pina Colada thread essentially breaking the trust that I thought that I had with Amuse. What Mr. Bitter said was inaccurate and unfair and I felt betrayed....especially considering that I was always decent and supportive to Amuse prior to this occurrence. Add to this the fact that Amuse and I IM?d only days or weeks before this betrayal and she was as I knew her to be previously, she mentioned that she and Mr. Bitter were developing a relationship but that she didn?t know where she stood with him. She was minorly sexual toward me and this wasn?t unusual. She also downplayed her and Mr. Bitter?s status as a couple. Obviously people here have their minds made up but understand this: Amuse wrote what she did because she wanted to prove to Mr. Bitter that she was in some way committed to him. She betrayed my trust and she did it regardless of me supporting her when she had issues with some Project Manager guy, I also made sure that she received some drawings she had done for her children in NYC. I, as far as the confines of our relationship dictated, acted in good faith toward her. She blind-sided me and in doing so she indirectly had the Lazy blog deleted. She ratted me out and she did so without regard to the trust that I thought had developed between us. ?and then most of LF?s population, including people whom I thought were friendly, start pointing the finger and condemning. How would you expect somebody to react? I was betrayed and then condemned and I?d never acted dishonorably toward Amuse or anyone else for that matter. Now we have a new norm on LF, general nastiness is accepted whereas before people were on more positive terms. Wylde chatters and falls off of her chair a lot, Timothy (whoever he is) acts like a regular and agrees with anyone in order to me accepted (the sook?). What has occurred here is a demonstration of human nature?s less admirable traits. It has been a lesson to me to not trust people in the future. I never expected to be betrayed by somebody that I?d acted honorably toward and I never expected the flurry of easy condemnation that followed. I thank you Wanda for being one of the few who remember the situation as it was. I?ve also had chats with LF users off-line who agree with your sentiments. LA

OH HOW DARE YOU! You are a dispicable creature indeed. Awww.. you sent me pictures I - yes I - bought in NY and now your this honorable, innocent bystander caught in a drive by? LMFAO. Even still with your lies you try to wedge your way between betterman and I... so sad really, you will never come between us. Your memory is a joke to me now, I hope you got what you wanted out of this little game of yours. oh Honey? I know you weren't sticking up for me, but thanks for hitting the nail on the head. Much love.

In your rocking-chair, by your window dreaming, shall you long, alone. In your rocking-chair, by your window, shall you dream such happiness as you may never feel. –Theodore Dreiser

Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, once said that love is the force that can liberate. In other words, he agreed with the Christian belief-to love our enemy and bless them that curse us, to do good to them that hate us, and pray for those who despitefully use us and persecute us. Buddhists speak of salvation by understanding, that understanding is the power that can liberate us and lack of understanding creates suffering. They meditate and practice mindfulness.
When we are upset, if we meditate and look deeply into ourselves-helping us to understand better-true love becomes possible. When we examine a situation and our anger, we eventually should see that our "enemy" is also suffering as well, and our capacity for accepting them and having compassion for them should arise.
Someone mentioned the horror of 9-11, the destruction and devastation of which can't even compare with this situation. Truth is, we can't uproot terror and war from others; we can only look deeply in ourselves and our community to see how we can work towards peace. Sending all the weapons and terrorists in the world to another planet won't change the fact that the roots of bombs and war are still here-in our minds and in our hearts-because we refuse to change our hearts from hearts that contain anger,frustration,bitterness, animosity and violence into hearts of love and compassion for others. So more weapons,bombs and terrorists will continue to be made unless we change ourselves.
I agree this is a community. After looking deeply, our collective wisdom as a community should give us a loving and kind solution to a difficult situation, not contribute to us desiring to foster animosity towards one another. The world does that already and look at the mess it is in!
We love one another by understanding others-why they are the way they are,why they do the things they do. When we understand another we gain the power to love and accept them; since we can't "love our enemy", once we understand them, they are no longer our enemy. If we practice mindfulness, we should become aware that our own actions have caused others to suffer in the past while the actions of others has caused us to suffer. We should want to be forgiving of each other so we can begin anew. We can't force ourselves to forgive another; only when we can see and understand what has happened can we have compassion for each other and forgive them. If we practice mindfulness we eventually can see the causes that led another to make us suffer, then we can find forgiveness in our hearts and release them.
My understanding is that it is believed in the practice of zhen-shan-ren (truthfulness,kindness,compassion,benevolence,endurance,forbearance and tolerance), when one commits a wrong doing they give the person whom they wronged their de (virtue-merit-a precious white substance). One should try to preserve their de, rather than just trying to obtain more through suffering, doing good deeds and enduring setbacks. One can lose their de when committing a wrong-doing;they give their de to the person whom they wronged according to how badly one beats up the other. When a persons " ego" or "self" feels humiliated and 'punches' back, they return the de back to the person who gave it to them, so one is best off just accepting the humiliation and keeping the de they were given from the other. In this way one prospers and grows.
Lazy, if you have made derogatory statements about me behind closed doors as was implied in one of these posts, I am surprised as I believed you to be of better character than that. But I forgive you, as I forgive AmuseMe, who appears to have believed it necessary to have brought this disclosure to the forefront. My ego is not hurt, and no, AmuseMe, surprisingly I don't have Lazy's blog copied and pasted in my 'puter, even though my infatuation with Lazy was not sexually based but based on his ability to be ingenious,creative and playful. He stimulated my brain to be creative; many men can have great sex, not as many have the ability to entice my brain, and I enjoyed bantering with him. Writing and playing on the blogs here was a big stress reliever and leisure activity for me when the rest of the world around me was asleep and I was awake after working in a stressful environment and I enjoyed the stimulation and entertainment. I also forgive you HoneyBiscuit, who for some reason that I don't quite understand, found it necessary to attempt to infer that my logic and intelligence were suddenly flawed. As I have said previously, we are unique individuals and we all won't always see things the same way. This is how I see things, which is apparently quite different from the way some see things here.
I reiterate what I said in my first post regarding Lazy's blog. I am a firm believer that we all make mistakes and people should try to find forgiveness in their hearts. This includes Lazy. I am not condoning anyone's behavior here.
'When an average person is humiliated, he'll draw his sword to fight."
I don't know about anyone else, but I try to be an above average person. I have always been fascinated watching and observing peoples behavior and reactions to different situations and circumstances,( one of the reasons I enjoyed Lazy's blog), as I have sometimes in the past enjoyed seeing the response I could elicit from some people. I like trying to think outside the box and color outside the lines in an effort to be the best person I can be and to see how far my mind is capable of bending. I know I am not perfect, I know I have failed many times and have hurt others and I have had to ask for forgiveness. But none of that changes the fact that I believe that an honorable attribute is to have the ability to say "I'm sorry, please forgive me."
In Judaism there is the term an "eye for an eye", which means this is what the person deserves- if not for the mercy of God. " But God indeed requires us to have mercy on each other. As Gandhi once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
Two wrongs don't make a right folks, no matter what excuses you can come up with and no matter who started the problem.
There ya have my opinion-be it "holier than thou" or not. Personally, I think if we are going to spend time fighting, it should be for some better purpose, such as absolute egalitarianism.

Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, once said that love is the force that can liberate. In other words, he agreed with the Christian belief-to love our enemy and bless them that curse us, to do good to them that hate us, and pray for those who despitefully use us and persecute us. Buddhists speak of salvation by understanding, that understanding is the power that can liberate us and lack of understanding creates suffering. They meditate and practice mindfulness. When we are upset, if we meditate and look deeply into ourselves-helping us to understand better-true love becomes possible. When we examine a situation and our anger, we eventually should see that our "enemy" is also suffering as well, and our capacity for accepting them and having compassion for them should arise. Someone mentioned the horror of 9-11, the destruction and devastation of which can't even compare with this situation. Truth is, we can't uproot terror and war from others; we can only look deeply in ourselves and our community to see how we can work towards peace. Sending all the weapons and terrorists in the world to another planet won't change the fact that the roots of bombs and war are still here-in our minds and in our hearts-because we refuse to change our hearts from hearts that contain anger,frustration,bitterness, animosity and violence into hearts of love and compassion for others. So more weapons,bombs and terrorists will continue to be made unless we change ourselves. I agree this is a community. After looking deeply, our collective wisdom as a community should give us a loving and kind solution to a difficult situation, not contribute to us desiring to foster animosity towards one another. The world does that already and look at the mess it is in! We love one another by understanding others-why they are the way they are,why they do the things they do. When we understand another we gain the power to love and accept them; since we can't "love our enemy", once we understand them, they are no longer our enemy. If we practice mindfulness, we should become aware that our own actions have caused others to suffer in the past while the actions of others has caused us to suffer. We should want to be forgiving of each other so we can begin anew. We can't force ourselves to forgive another; only when we can see and understand what has happened can we have compassion for each other and forgive them. If we practice mindfulness we eventually can see the causes that led another to make us suffer, then we can find forgiveness in our hearts and release them. My understanding is that it is believed in the practice of zhen-shan-ren (truthfulness,kindness,compassion,benevolence,endurance,forbearance and tolerance), when one commits a wrong doing they give the person whom they wronged their de (virtue-merit-a precious white substance). One should try to preserve their de, rather than just trying to obtain more through suffering, doing good deeds and enduring setbacks. One can lose their de when committing a wrong-doing;they give their de to the person whom they wronged according to how badly one beats up the other. When a persons " ego" or "self" feels humiliated and 'punches' back, they return the de back to the person who gave it to them, so one is best off just accepting the humiliation and keeping the de they were given from the other. In this way one prospers and grows. Lazy, if you have made derogatory statements about me behind closed doors as was implied in one of these posts, I am surprised as I believed you to be of better character than that. But I forgive you, as I forgive AmuseMe, who appears to have believed it necessary to have brought this disclosure to the forefront. My ego is not hurt, and no, AmuseMe, surprisingly I don't have Lazy's blog copied and pasted in my 'puter, even though my infatuation with Lazy was not sexually based but based on his ability to be ingenious,creative and playful. He stimulated my brain to be creative; many men can have great sex, not as many have the ability to entice my brain, and I enjoyed bantering with him. Writing and playing on the blogs here was a big stress reliever and leisure activity for me when the rest of the world around me was asleep and I was awake after working in a stressful environment and I enjoyed the stimulation and entertainment. I also forgive you HoneyBiscuit, who for some reason that I don't quite understand, found it necessary to attempt to infer that my logic and intelligence were suddenly flawed. As I have said previously, we are unique individuals and we all won't always see things the same way. This is how I see things, which is apparently quite different from the way some see things here. I reiterate what I said in my first post regarding Lazy's blog. I am a firm believer that we all make mistakes and people should try to find forgiveness in their hearts. This includes Lazy. I am not condoning anyone's behavior here. 'When an average person is humiliated, he'll draw his sword to fight." I don't know about anyone else, but I try to be an above average person. I have always been fascinated watching and observing peoples behavior and reactions to different situations and circumstances,( one of the reasons I enjoyed Lazy's blog), as I have sometimes in the past enjoyed seeing the response I could elicit from some people. I like trying to think outside the box and color outside the lines in an effort to be the best person I can be and to see how far my mind is capable of bending. I know I am not perfect, I know I have failed many times and have hurt others and I have had to ask for forgiveness. But none of that changes the fact that I believe that an honorable attribute is to have the ability to say "I'm sorry, please forgive me." In Judaism there is the term an "eye for an eye", which means this is what the person deserves- if not for the mercy of God. " But God indeed requires us to have mercy on each other. As Gandhi once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Two wrongs don't make a right folks, no matter what excuses you can come up with and no matter who started the problem. There ya have my opinion-be it "holier than thou" or not. Personally, I think if we are going to spend time fighting, it should be for some better purpose, such as absolute egalitarianism.

Seems to me that once people start naming and shaming on here it all goes pear shaped. In the posts I read (and frankly I tried not to - it was worse than the trashiest episode of Jerry Springer!) it seems neither party was exactly squeaky clean.
If you play with fire ... or married men ... someone's gonna get burned. Let's just be adult about it and move on without the bitching.
And come on Honeybiscuit, it hardly compares to a terrorist attack - get real!

Seems to me that once people start naming and shaming on here it all goes pear shaped. In the posts I read (and frankly I tried not to - it was worse than the trashiest episode of Jerry Springer!) it seems neither party was exactly squeaky clean. If you play with fire ... or married men ... someone's gonna get burned. Let's just be adult about it and move on without the bitching. And come on Honeybiscuit, it hardly compares to a terrorist attack - get real!

Re:wanda_world write:
It doesn't make sense; besides none of that pertains to me. The man was never nasty to me; he always treated me with respect and it really doesn't pertain to me. td>

Wanda, I usually find you intellengent and well thought out but this logic holds no water. example: Since the hijacker that flew planes into the twin towers does not directly affect you - maybe you even interacted with one of them and they were nice to you - then it does not conern you? We are a society and that comes with community responsibility. Of course lazy is not a criminal or a terrorist or anything but he has behaved badly and shown a general not funny or enlightened disrespect for women. The hook ups are not about sex but about his need to stroke his own ego.
I have enjoyed cat and mouse flirtations with lazy myself but knew nothing would come of it but it always made him soooo happy if I would go ahead admit that I just wanted him to come "do" me...he plays a game I realized so what if I play back it is all just words on a screen anyhow. But we would also have just idle conversation, he told me he was separated but still lived with his wife...we all have heard that story and knw what it means and once he was very very sweet and comforted me chatwise when I was feeling hurt by another fella. But this has gone to far and now I'm pissed or in a mood but here goes.
ok, I have been rather quiet on this topic as I am aware of the behind the scenes ocurrances and did not want to encourage or fan any flames...but my resolve is gone. I mean repeatedly anyone that opposes lazy in anyway is put in a "dammaged goods, etc" labled pile by lazy and his dillusional fans...I have kept thinking that lazy would shape up and behave at some point but I even today I see that he is still at it...give it a rest...go away...its done. you burned the bridge completely.
I spoke with Amuse before it all happened cause I knew from Lazy hiself that his ego was motivating him in ugly ways when he discovered that he was not the love of Amuse's life and that she was with bitterman. I warned Amuse of my concern that he lazy was tempted to cross the line and pick at her new relationship in sme clever and damaging way. I encouraged lazy to leave her and bitterman alone even though he was certain that bitterman was not good enough for her - not handsome, not smart, etc. his words not mine - I think bitterman is the bomb nd love that he and amuse have found each other. I was very disappointed in lazy's reaction to her new romance and counseled him before the bruhaha to give Amuse space and to just be happy for her that she was finding love...he could not let it lie though. So he trollishly baited Amuse and Bitterman and then took the role of the poor wronged boy, with shallow churlish black and white reactions. Most if any of you would not know that his motivation is that he wanted to keep Amuse, on the side pining for him and available to him indefinantly. He was sure that he had been the "best" she had ever had and his sexual prowess and looks were so spectacular that she was now his forever and that she was ruined for all other men. One you've had lazy no other can compare (in his imagination anyway). I do wish that Amuse and Bitter had not gotten sucked into it when baited but they have never been the types to hold back...lazy counted on that no doubt. Now I expect I will get some serious rancor and denouncement from him but frankly I could care less.
Well there's the fuel I have to offer on the topic and yeah I succombed to the ugly flamefest but at least I am walking my talk in terms of not condoning the behavior that has occured and damn it all if I don't feel selfishly a little better for te moment...ahh guilty indulgences.

Re:wanda_world write: It doesn't make sense; besides none of that pertains to me. The man was never nasty to me; he always treated me with respect and it really doesn't pertain to me. td>

Wanda, I usually find you intellengent and well thought out but this logic holds no water. example: Since the hijacker that flew planes into the twin towers does not directly affect you - maybe you even interacted with one of them and they were nice to you - then it does not conern you? We are a society and that comes with community responsibility. Of course lazy is not a criminal or a terrorist or anything but he has behaved badly and shown a general not funny or enlightened disrespect for women. The hook ups are not about sex but about his need to stroke his own ego. I have enjoyed cat and mouse flirtations with lazy myself but knew nothing would come of it but it always made him soooo happy if I would go ahead admit that I just wanted him to come "do" me...he plays a game I realized so what if I play back it is all just words on a screen anyhow. But we would also have just idle conversation, he told me he was separated but still lived with his wife...we all have heard that story and knw what it means and once he was very very sweet and comforted me chatwise when I was feeling hurt by another fella. But this has gone to far and now I'm pissed or in a mood but here goes. ok, I have been rather quiet on this topic as I am aware of the behind the scenes ocurrances and did not want to encourage or fan any flames...but my resolve is gone. I mean repeatedly anyone that opposes lazy in anyway is put in a "dammaged goods, etc" labled pile by lazy and his dillusional fans...I have kept thinking that lazy would shape up and behave at some point but I even today I see that he is still at it...give it a rest...go away...its done. you burned the bridge completely. I spoke with Amuse before it all happened cause I knew from Lazy hiself that his ego was motivating him in ugly ways when he discovered that he was not the love of Amuse's life and that she was with bitterman. I warned Amuse of my concern that he lazy was tempted to cross the line and pick at her new relationship in sme clever and damaging way. I encouraged lazy to leave her and bitterman alone even though he was certain that bitterman was not good enough for her - not handsome, not smart, etc. his words not mine - I think bitterman is the bomb nd love that he and amuse have found each other. I was very disappointed in lazy's reaction to her new romance and counseled him before the bruhaha to give Amuse space and to just be happy for her that she was finding love...he could not let it lie though. So he trollishly baited Amuse and Bitterman and then took the role of the poor wronged boy, with shallow churlish black and white reactions. Most if any of you would not know that his motivation is that he wanted to keep Amuse, on the side pining for him and available to him indefinantly. He was sure that he had been the "best" she had ever had and his sexual prowess and looks were so spectacular that she was now his forever and that she was ruined for all other men. One you've had lazy no other can compare (in his imagination anyway). I do wish that Amuse and Bitter had not gotten sucked into it when baited but they have never been the types to hold back...lazy counted on that no doubt. Now I expect I will get some serious rancor and denouncement from him but frankly I could care less. Well there's the fuel I have to offer on the topic and yeah I succombed to the ugly flamefest but at least I am walking my talk in terms of not condoning the behavior that has occured and damn it all if I don't feel selfishly a little better for te moment...ahh guilty indulgences.

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Timothy5 write:
Am I understanding this correctly?? Someone told LIES on the internet?? and on this site as well... someone actually pretended to be something different that what they really are??? .. My god.. what's the world coming to.....

Re: Timothy5 write: Am I understanding this correctly?? Someone told LIES on the internet?? and on this site as well... someone actually pretended to be something different that what they really are??? .. My god.. what's the world coming to.....

Wanda-
I understand what you are trying to say... I really do. But for the record... that "someone" only outed him AFTER he attacked her personally and divulged private information that did not belong on this site. So although you say you want others to just forgive and forget or be the bigger person... speaking from experience, when someone attacks you and divulges your personal PRIVATE information on the web, you can't just sit back and do nothing. I know you may not mean to do it, but you are coming across a little "holier than thou" on this issue. I know you like(d) Lazy and that is your right. But please respect the fact that those of us who have been around and have had to listen to him constantly attacking amuse and others are tired of him and would be happen if he never reappeared. He brought ALL of it on himself.

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wanda_world write:
or someone telling everyone many months after the fact that they knew Lazy was married but now suddenly chose to reveal this secret to people for the good of the people, or reading nasty posts of people calling others names with many posts missing in the middle.

Re: wanda_world write: or someone telling everyone many months after the fact that they knew Lazy was married but now suddenly chose to reveal this secret to people for the good of the people, or reading nasty posts of people calling others names with many posts missing in the middle.

Wanda- I understand what you are trying to say... I really do. But for the record... that "someone" only outed him AFTER he attacked her personally and divulged private information that did not belong on this site. So although you say you want others to just forgive and forget or be the bigger person... speaking from experience, when someone attacks you and divulges your personal PRIVATE information on the web, you can't just sit back and do nothing. I know you may not mean to do it, but you are coming across a little "holier than thou" on this issue. I know you like(d) Lazy and that is your right. But please respect the fact that those of us who have been around and have had to listen to him constantly attacking amuse and others are tired of him and would be happen if he never reappeared. He brought ALL of it on himself.

Many months later doesn't make it any less truthful. I am done explaining myself, and would slit my own throat before going back into all that BS again.
You know what's really funny? If people knew what was said about them behind closed doors, they wouldn't be so sympathetic. Don't worry, your not the only one though.
I inquired a while ago as to Lazy's disappearance (suspecting he had removed himself in order to gain sympathy) and was told by LF that he had violated TOS and therefore he and his blogs (which I would have thought you would have had C&P'd somewhere) were removed. He must have found it comforting to blame me which is fine, I've learned that he's not above such behavior, as will all he may encounter - in due time.
Miss him if you must, those very few that are still too forgiving of abusive behavior, but the rest of us say good riddance to bad rubbish and I threw him out with my soiled pettycoats.

Many months later doesn't make it any less truthful. I am done explaining myself, and would slit my own throat before going back into all that BS again. You know what's really funny? If people knew what was said about them behind closed doors, they wouldn't be so sympathetic. Don't worry, your not the only one though. I inquired a while ago as to Lazy's disappearance (suspecting he had removed himself in order to gain sympathy) and was told by LF that he had violated TOS and therefore he and his blogs (which I would have thought you would have had C&P'd somewhere) were removed. He must have found it comforting to blame me which is fine, I've learned that he's not above such behavior, as will all he may encounter - in due time. Miss him if you must, those very few that are still too forgiving of abusive behavior, but the rest of us say good riddance to bad rubbish and I threw him out with my soiled pettycoats.

In your rocking-chair, by your window dreaming, shall you long, alone. In your rocking-chair, by your window, shall you dream such happiness as you may never feel. –Theodore Dreiser

Thanks Kewanna,
I have spent much of the past 8 months coming to terms with numerous grief and loss issues and pain I had surpressed that needed to be released so I haven't been around here much at all. I enjoyed reading Lazy's blog in the past as I found it humorous and creative. It saddens me that people -no matter who they are-feel the need to become nasty when being defensive.
I am not here to judge that anyone is being right or wrong. I simply made a statement that all of us see things differently and each of us will have differing opinions.
As to reading the past 8 months of blogs to find out the exact "scoop", you are right Blue-I can't be bothered to spend the time reading numerous posts of people trashing each other-be it Lazy trashing someone or someone telling everyone many months after the fact that they knew Lazy was married but now suddenly chose to reveal this secret to people for the good of the people, or reading nasty posts of people calling others names with many posts missing in the middle. It doesn't make sense; besides none of that pertains to me. The man was never nasty to me; he always treated me with respect and it really doesn't pertain to me. I am sorry that people apparently feel hurt by the situation and I do wish that all people involved would find it in their hearts to be humble enough to ask others for forgiveness, Lazy included.
Ya know, we can't change the way others act, only the way we react to others. If people choose to be ugly,rude, inconsiderate or mean, it's a reflection of their character, not ours.

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kewanna2007 write:
Nice to see you back Wanda. Unfortunately, you are not aware of the nastiness HE has caused on here lately. Sorry.... but he is NOT missed by most of us.

Re: kewanna2007 write: Nice to see you back Wanda. Unfortunately, you are not aware of the nastiness HE has caused on here lately. Sorry.... but he is NOT missed by most of us.

Thanks Kewanna, I have spent much of the past 8 months coming to terms with numerous grief and loss issues and pain I had surpressed that needed to be released so I haven't been around here much at all. I enjoyed reading Lazy's blog in the past as I found it humorous and creative. It saddens me that people -no matter who they are-feel the need to become nasty when being defensive. I am not here to judge that anyone is being right or wrong. I simply made a statement that all of us see things differently and each of us will have differing opinions. As to reading the past 8 months of blogs to find out the exact "scoop", you are right Blue-I can't be bothered to spend the time reading numerous posts of people trashing each other-be it Lazy trashing someone or someone telling everyone many months after the fact that they knew Lazy was married but now suddenly chose to reveal this secret to people for the good of the people, or reading nasty posts of people calling others names with many posts missing in the middle. It doesn't make sense; besides none of that pertains to me. The man was never nasty to me; he always treated me with respect and it really doesn't pertain to me. I am sorry that people apparently feel hurt by the situation and I do wish that all people involved would find it in their hearts to be humble enough to ask others for forgiveness, Lazy included. Ya know, we can't change the way others act, only the way we react to others. If people choose to be ugly,rude, inconsiderate or mean, it's a reflection of their character, not ours.