Wow, maybe it's because I was reading what the image you posted was saying and not what you wrote. No need to get defensive about it...Get off your high horse and calm down...take a couple deep breaths.

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Really? You managed to infer quite a bit didn't you. Pity it was off the mark. Aside from a tongue-in-cheek jab at the propensity that AMD has for PPS/timetable revisions, I don't see anything defensive or supercilious about my post. But if you're willing to ascribe motivation to myself, maybe I should return the favour...so, if anything you're the one getting defensive-You've just noted that you don't know what µarch Richland is...yet blast me for using an educated guess, and AMD's own literature.

If DX11 gen 1 is VLIW4 then it would be a good guess that gen 2 is VLIW5. You don't need to say it for it to make sense

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Actually, it should be the other way around - and probably what xorbe was attempting to convey to you. VLIW5 predates VLIW4 in DX11 capable GPUs.
The VLIW5 HD 5870 (Cypress GPU) launched 23 Sept, 2009 was the first DX11 card. The VLIW4 HD 6970 (Cayman GPU) launched 15 Dec., 2010.

Really? You managed to infer quite a bit didn't you. Pity it was off the mark. Aside from a tongue-in-cheek jab at the propensity that AMD has for PPS/timetable revisions, I don't see anything defensive or supercilious about my post. But if you're willing to ascribe motivation to myself, maybe I should return the favour...so, if anything you're the one getting defensive-You've just noted that you don't know what µarch Richland is...yet blast me for using an educated guess, and AMD's own literature.

Actually, it should be the other way around - and probably what xorbe was attempting to convey to you. VLIW5 predates VLIW4 in DX11 capable GPUs.
The VLIW5 HD 5870 (Cypress GPU) launched 23 Sept, 2009 was the first DX11 card. The VLIW4 HD 6970 (Cayman GPU) launched 15 Dec., 2010.

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You would be surprised at how much a ":shadedshu" changes the tone of a post. You're right, they came in the other order, which just adds to the ambiguity of what AMD means by first and second gen DX11 chips, but it does make VLIW4 likely. Either way, we'll have to wait and see. I'm blasting you for using "AMD literature" and making it sound like it's all true, but its a decent guess. I'm not saying your wrong. I'm just saying there is that possibility that you're wrong and we don't know enough to stem that fact.

You're right though. Didn't think about when VLIW4 and 5 were released, you got me on that one.

So apparently desktop Richland APUs are comming out on the 19th of March, Notebook/ultraportable notebook Richland parts on the 7th of May. Kabini in late May, same for Temash it's led to be believed. Also supposedly new FX Piledriver CPUs in June as well.

This according to a news article on Softpedia, who's source is OBR-Hardware at least...

Sounds good to me, was hoping (and speculating) for a faster than June release of desktop Richland anyway. Kinda surprised that desktop parts are releasing first tho.

The new Richland A-Series APUs are best described as improved Trinity APUs. They're based on the same second-generation "Piledriver" compute cores that had their APU debut in Trinity, and their GPU remains based on the AMD "Cayman" VLIW4 (very long instruction word) architecture.

AMD's Graphics Core Next, which we heard so much about at the company's 2011 Fusion Summit, doesn't make its appearance in Richland..

I'm blasting you for using "AMD literature" and making it sound like it's all true, but its a decent guess. I'm not saying your wrong. I'm just saying there is that possibility that you're wrong and we don't know enough to stem that fact

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So, seeing as how the proof (that seemed to be your point of contention) hasn't actually been presented in the thread, I am now supplying said proof...it also stems from "AMD literature".

I'm not sure why AMD released Richland as Kaveri will be released later this year. Richland is a refresh of Trinity with better graphics (like they needed them), a little better clock performance and a little better power consumption. Kaveri will be the true replacement for Trinity.

For those of you who (who are Intel fanboys) need to understand, AMD's APUs are faster and much better than the i3s can dream of being. In fact, I would take an A10 or A8 over a Core i7 anyday.

You all base your claims on WORTHLESS benchmarks. I base everything on real world results.

This is why in March of 2012 I took back an ASUS (Sandy Bridge) Core i5 and replaced it with an HP AMD A8 (Llano) 3520. The AMD downloaded things much faster and the streaming video was much better. The only down fall to this was giving up an ASUS for an HP. lol Futher more, another example of AMD's real world results would be the link I posted. AMD wins in real world results which is why I tell my customers to buy them over Intel. Too bad Intel pays everybody to not sell many of them.

One thing you Intel fanboys need to understand is if AMD's APUs were half as bad as you all think they are, then why as Intel been copying the idea for the last three years?!

I'm not sure why AMD released Richland as Kaveri will be released later this year. Richland is a refresh of Trinity with better graphics (like they needed them). Kaveri will be the true replacement for Trinity.

For those of you who (who are Intel fanboys) need to understand, AMD's APUs are faster and much better than the i3s can dream of being.

You all base your claims on WORTHLESS benchmarks. I base everything on real world results.

This is why in March of 2012 I took back an ASUS (Sandy Bridge) Core i5 and replaced it with an HP AMD A8 (Llano) 3520. The AMD downloaded things much faster and the streaming video was much better. The only down fall to this was giving up an ASUS for an HP. lol Futher more, another example of AMD's real world results would be the link I posted. AMD wins in real world results which is why I tell my customers to buy them over Intel. Too bad Intel pays everybody to not sell many of them.

One thing you Intel fanboys need to understand is if AMD's APUs were half as bad as you all think they are, then why as Intel been copying the idea for the last three years?!

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FM-2+ socket,(Kiveri), so in a FM-2 board we see no gain? Iv'e about had it. Haswell wins.

I think you're closer than 6 beers from being a dumb drunk if you think Haswell is in the same class as AMD's APUs. Why compare apples to oranges? Although AMD is a better deal for most people. In fact, unless you just want an awesome fast GAMING system, AMD is the best way to go. However, you Intel fanboys are going to be disappointed because Intel won't build processors that you can overclock very well any more.

SteamRoller will bring a lot of enthusiasts back due to it's high IPC and over clock ability. Also, it's redesigned by Jim Keller who led AMD past Intel back in 2003. He left Apple last August and returned to AMD where he belongs.

I think you're closer than 6 beers from being a dumb drunk if you think Haswell is in the same class as AMD's APUs. Why compare apples to oranges? Although AMD is a better deal for most people. In fact, unless you just want an awesome fast GAMING system, AMD is the best way to go. However, you Intel fanboys are going to be disappointed because Intel won't build processors that you can overclock very well any more.

SteamRoller will bring a lot of enthusiasts back due to it's high IPC and over clock ability. Also, it's redesigned by Jim Keller who led AMD past Intel back in 2003. He left Apple last August and returned to AMD where he belongs.

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Steamroller was designed well before Jim Keller came back. The same line was fed before bulldozer and piledriver came out neither was able to perform.