I don't know why everyone is so high on Jake Locker. I get that he's very mobile, throws a pretty spiral and has a cannon for an arm but I still think he's wildly inaccurate. Granted, I haven't seen much of him but I remember 2 plays including the Nate Washington TD this past weekend where it was a horrible placement the receiver just made an amazing play.

the term 'circus catch' usually means inaccurate pass compensated by good play by the wr.

I think Locker will end up like Kyle Boller.

But meh, I could be wrong.

Locker's accuracy only wanders when he gets too into the "**** is hitting the fan" mindset the way it does with jay Cutler some games. Now Locker isn't playing behind that embarrassment to the sport, that is the chicago bear's OL, but he's also a first year QB. I think he's got the moxy to learn to focus a little bit more on his mechanics and a little less on needing to run for his life, he's not at Washington anymore. Now I'm not completely sold that he will make good on his abilities and continue to settle down, but I think there's a good chance he does with what he has to work with in Tennessee, which would lead to a very good QB.

BTW Ryan Tannenhill should be on this list. I am a believer in that kid. Kinda like the JPP of QBs he's just got remarkable natural talent and surprisingly good understanding of how to use them for someone so completely inexperienced and under-prepared.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

You make a good point. He wasn't the best prospect (which really hurts his image on a draft site), is in a offense that fits him perfectly, and has a stud young wr; but this guy has already won a lot of games and has the best resume of these guys so far. Granted its still way way too early, but Dalton has already made the playoffs.

Long term he isn't at the top of my list probably, but the guy deserves some praise. Dalton had a great rookie year & is playing well this year too. He is underrated for sure.

He still doesnt have the physical tools of Luck, Newton, or RG3 But he limits his mistakes and has shown a bit more improvement from last year to this year. I projected him to have a winning record last year despite his red hair and he delivered. He has that playoff game under his belt, although it was a loss, its still experience. Im not deeming him a HOF or anything but when making my list I think I would put him right below Newton. I honestly dont think theyre far apart.

Funny, seems like the last thread like this taught everyone absolutely nothing. Our opinions on al of the QBs in that poll have flustered drastically in the last few years, yet everyone shows up here with guns blazing and ranking these guys like its anywhere set in stone.

If anything, five me tiers based on potential. That'd pretty much put Luck/RG3/Cam in tier 1 and the rest in tier two. It's nothing close to clear cut.

Easy to look at Ponder in a few games this year and call him better than both Locker and Gabbert. I'd agree. But next year, hell maybe later this season we may be talking about Locker and Gabbert progressing and getting into that top-15 echelon while Ponder remains an above average game manager.

Not saying we can't have opinions or long term outlooks on these guys, just thought it was ironic that everyone came flying into this thread with set rankings of these guys while the thread like this for the last group of QBs showed everyone knows nothing and everything changes on a year-to-year basis - sometimes week-to-week.

We may eventually talk about Mallett or Tannehill as the best QBs from this class, and they haven't even be mentioned. Lets discuss these classes of QBs in this thread, but the immediate rankings and reactions to them are all ridiculous.

Funny, seems like the last thread like this taught everyone absolutely nothing. Our opinions on al of the QBs in that poll have flustered drastically in the last few years, yet everyone shows up here with guns blazing and ranking these guys like its anywhere set in stone.

If anything, five me tiers based on potential. That'd pretty much put Luck/RG3/Cam in tier 1 and the rest in tier two. It's nothing close to clear cut.

Easy to look at Ponder in a few games this year and call him better than both Locker and Gabbert. I'd agree. But next year, hell maybe later this season we may be talking about Locker and Gabbert progressing and getting into that top-15 echelon while Ponder remains an above average game manager.

Not saying we can't have opinions or long term outlooks on these guys, just thought it was ironic that everyone came flying into this thread with set rankings of these guys while the thread like this for the last group of QBs showed everyone knows nothing and everything changes on a year-to-year basis - sometimes week-to-week.

We may eventually talk about Mallett or Tannehill as the best QBs from this class, and they haven't even be mentioned. Lets discuss these classes of QBs in this thread, but the immediate rankings and reactions to them are all ridiculous.

I understand that reading can be difficult...but literally two posts before yours, brody...

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

The essence of the post contradicts the very idea of a message board. If we're not going to discuss our opinions of the future what's the point of this website? Why would we discuss anything other than post game recaps? Of course we don't know what'll happen, that's what makes it interesting to hear what others think will happen and why they think what they do. Especially in a thread about young QBs who haven't even started to get even close to their peaks.

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JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

The essence of the post contradicts the very idea of a message board. If we're not going to discuss our opinions of the future what's the point of this website? Why would we discuss anything other than post game recaps? Of course we don't know what'll happen, that's what makes it interesting to hear what others think will happen and why they think what they do. Especially in a thread about young QBs who haven't even started to get even close to their peaks.

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Funny, seems like the last thread like this taught everyone absolutely nothing. Our opinions on al of the QBs in that poll have flustered drastically in the last few years, yet everyone shows up here with guns blazing and ranking these guys like its anywhere set in stone.

If anything, five me tiers based on potential. That'd pretty much put Luck/RG3/Cam in tier 1 and the rest in tier two. It's nothing close to clear cut.

Easy to look at Ponder in a few games this year and call him better than both Locker and Gabbert. I'd agree. But next year, hell maybe later this season we may be talking about Locker and Gabbert progressing and getting into that top-15 echelon while Ponder remains an above average game manager.

Not saying we can't have opinions or long term outlooks on these guys, just thought it was ironic that everyone came flying into this thread with set rankings of these guys while the thread like this for the last group of QBs showed everyone knows nothing and everything changes on a year-to-year basis - sometimes week-to-week.

We may eventually talk about Mallett or Tannehill as the best QBs from this class, and they haven't even be mentioned. Lets discuss these classes of QBs in this thread, but the immediate rankings and reactions to them are all ridiculous.

I agree it's a fluid situation. If it were just based on initial progress and results you'd just hand it to Newton or even Dalton, who made the playoffs.

Each QB is in a differant place as far as what he has around him and what is asked of him. Good group of QBs there and except for the one or two that will crash and burn they all should have nice careers.

I am sure the fact the Cam is 4/5 on my list is going to rub 95% of people the wrong way. I understand his tools, his insane production... I just don't like the guy. I think last season was a bit of fluke. Sure I can see him being a solid to good NFL QB but I don't know if I see what everyone else sees.

You can't really rank Mallet at this time ahead of anyone, but I think he can and will be the best out of the 2011 class and most of the 2012 guys. I think there were too many negatives with him in terms of off the field issues, but Bill Bellichik took him, and he's big on character.

Thing about Newton and RG III is , they cannot succeed in the current offenses they run for very long. This is the NFL. None of this read/option crap offenses. You see it in Carolina right now with Newton. They're isolating his athleticism by putting a faster LB as a spy and getting to him in the pocket, making him read defenses and he's struggling. Him adjusting as a pocket passer and only using his athelticism when needed will have to be what he does to succeed in the nfl.

You can't really rank Mallet at this time ahead of anyone, but I think he can and will be the best out of the 2011 class and most of the 2012 guys. I think there were too many negatives with him in terms of off the field issues, but Bill Bellichik took him, and he's big on character.

This is why these threads aren't very good but provide tons of lols. They don't define what you're ranking them on. Production? Potential? A little bit of both? So everyone's rankings and opinions differ. Although some are just straight up fail.

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This is why these threads aren't very good but provide tons of lols. They don't define what you're ranking them on. Production? Potential? A little bit of both? So everyone's rankings and opinions differ. Although some are just straight up fail.

Oh yeah definately agree. I'll admit to get carried away, but my opinions and analysts towards a guy like Newton has stayed consistant. Same with RG III, where most on here are ready to put them in the HOF.