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Topic: HIV: Average Age at Death 45.3 Years (Read 38679 times)

So the local paper had a section talking about the risk in our every day lives. IE Risk of being a victim of violent crime, being in a plane crash, dying of various causes. The chance of dying from HIV was 1 in 451.

What shocked me was the average at death from HIV was 45.3 years old!

The stats didn't give the source of the stats, and I guess if these go back to the beginning of the epidemic that might explain the low figure. But at 42.3 years myself, I found this pretty sobering

Newspapers and statistics - not the best combination. I read an interesting Danish study that shows that a 25 yo man, diagnosed in 2006 (in Denmark) could expect to live almost 40 years, providing they don't get Hepatits C. That's still worse than diabetes, but a shed load better than 10 years ago.

How is this 42.3 years supposed to read? Doesn't it rather depend on how old you are when you get infected?! I could understand it if it was the average age of death of people with HIV, averaged over the whole of the epidemic, like you suggested.

Anyway, I choose to put my faith in the Danish study - it was pretty good. And it's based on therapy now, not in 10 years' time, when it will be soooo much better.

Thanks for posting these. Very interesting, although slightly overwhelming!

But as far as I can see, none of this data links death rates to date of diagnosis, which might give some idea of life expectancy. For example, table one just shows new diagnoses in each age group over a number of years.

Even the tables in section 4, that show survival categories after an AIDS diagnosis give no information as to when that person was infected, and how long they lived with HIV before developing AIDS.

Oh, gosh! I'll be 44 this November! I'd better start getting in deep debt borrowing money from banks and never pay because I'll die and won't give a crap if my credit is damaged after that! I'll eat and travel in luxury from now on. While I do this I'll start having affairs based on sex only and become very unfaithful to my partner and enjoy each _uck because I'm going to be _ucked anyways! I'll stop taking my meds and get that holiday from meds that I've always desired but with a vl of 345 by the time I reach 45.3 it may reach only to 1000 but I'm dying anyways, right? Wow, there are so many naughty and pleasurable things I wanna do that I have too many in my mind to write down!

PS(The past message is all joking! I don't believe in any statistics because they are just like those movie critics. Sometimes they say a movie is terrible, but when we see it, we love it!) I don't expect to die from hiv related complications at least until I'm over 50. Yea, right. I said that 21 years ago so I still got about 7 years to go...

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Meow to the birdsMeow to the tree'sMeow to the endof this dreadful disease...

Another example of a meaningless statisic. All this says is that if you consider those people who have died from HIV complications, their average age at death was 45.3 years. It doesn't mean that the average person with HIV will live to be only 45.3 years.

Think of it this way. Say the average age at death of people in fatal car accidents is 45.3. This statistic says nothing about the chances of someone dying in a car accident.

Statistics:More than half a million people diagnosed with AIDS have died in the USA. Some 69% of these people did not live to the age of 45.

In 2005, the age group 35-44 years accounted for an estimated 33% of HIV diagnoses, 39% of AIDS diagnoses, and 41% of deaths of people diagnosed with AIDS. The estimated number of children (under 13) diagnosed with AIDS in 2005 was 58.

When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested.

I was told 15 years then 20 years then 22.5 years then 35-40 years then Normal lifespan, now I have 20 years left? I guess I should plan retirement now at the age of 26. Don't believe everything you read ladies believe what the majority of people who are currently living with HIV and what the majority of doctors are telling you. Doctors read lots and lots of research articles and tend to make an estimate on the most reliable sources of information. If my doc said normal lifespan minus 6 months or a year, I shall try and focus on that statistic. My first doctor refused to answer my , how long do I have to live question, because she doesn't know. For all we know we can dies in 10 years after infection or 35 years after infection. I am actually glad there is no specific number, I guess I will be surprised.

Here we go again with the statistics. quote Ihave.....................Well, exactly. And Ihave, maybe now you understand why Tim (Moffie) posted the thread about making your movie and starring in it. What he was saying was...go out and live your life... for gods sake.I dont think reading statistics will get us anywhere. Statistics do not tell the whole story.

I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?

I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?

So Should i stand in front of the bus when I turn 45.3 years old to beat death? Or just wait for death to come after me? I usually like to be in control of things that is why I am asling. Suggestions please

Ihave...suggestion: stop reading statistics and go out and get some dick. IMHO

oh...and use condoms! Chocolate flavor? or whatever flavor you like.

To be fair, no matter what flavor they start out with, dont they ALL end up?

Nevermind. I sorta grossed myself out here

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

I'd like to see this article, so I can add the odds of dying because i'm in a car crash, plane crash, i have aids, a mountain lion or shark eats me alive, I get electrocuted by a 10000 volt pole that falls on me after I avoided getting crushed by 3 pounds hail, or because I swallow 3 gallons of dish washing liquid thinking by mistake, or dying of laughter reading articles like this and figure out if I should be dead already ?

It's got a lot of those:1 in 255 chance of a Canadian dying from poisoning.1 in 11,903 from dying in a landslide or avalanche.1 in 75,388 of dying from a bee, wasp or hornet sting.1 in 4 chance of a structurally damaging earthquake hitting my city in the next 50 years

I should have clarified, my point wasn't so mcuh to say we're all gonna die at 45.3 years, but to point out how many who have gone before us died to young. The other major diseases had much higher avg age at death: lung cancer (70.2), breast cancer (68.6) etc.

1 In the Netherlands there a a few number of new borns with hiv. Doctors expect these kids (with treatment) to grow up and start families of their own.2 In the Netherlands of all hiv positives 0,4% - 0,6% die each year of hiv/aids related illnesses. Part of these deaths are people who are resistant to alle available meds and the so called 'too late discoveries'.3 Last year no one in Niedersachsen died of hiv/aids related illnesses.

We have now for 10 years HAART. So we don't know what will happen in the long run. Still people do die of hiv/aids. But i have hope and perhaps i should regard this disease as an extra risk factor in live like driving 50.000 miles a year in my car without seat belts (perhaps that's a view that gives me some comfort).

dying is easy, its living that scares me to death. >> beating the statistics and with Hep C << But, none of us are getting out of hear alive, so ?? who cares.i'd just like to die of something more glamorous. ~jorodn

Didn't any of you see Philladelphia or even that shining beacon of AIDS filmography In the Gloaming? We're all going to die radiantly peaceful deaths surrounded by our loved ones after having won court-cases and making peace with hitherto intractably bigotted relatives.

When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested.

See, that's where statistics may give an 'over all' view of HIV & AIDS, but have little, if anything, to do with an individual. I haven't been HIV+ for more than 4 years, was diagnosed HIV+ a year ago, and diagnosed with AIDS within 8 months of that (not on any meds during that time). My numbers were fairly good, so 'statistically', I shouldn't have had any OI's. Statistically, I shouldn't even be HIV+, based on the demographic statistics in our area (based on age, race, drug use, education, employment), but here I am!

To me, statistics like those dealing with HIV show an 'after the fact' picture, not what to really expect on a person-by-person basis. And how about that 'statistic' about being more likely to get hit by a bus? Where the hell did that come from? I have a bus, so am I more likely to get hit by one? Actually, I'm probably in less danger than my hubby, as he's the one that directs me when backing it into the driveway. I'm not denying the usefullness of statistics, but to rely on them on a personal basis just doesn't seem too useful.

And JK, that chocolate condom thing is just plain nasty (pretty funny, but nasty).

Didn't any of you see Philladelphia or even that shining beacon of AIDS filmography In the Gloaming? We're all going to die radiantly peaceful deaths surrounded by our loved ones after having won court-cases and making peace with hitherto intractably bigotted relatives.

Show me a double amputee meth - head who is ALSO a goatbanger, and, well, then you are free to us alone My condom will be ALL chocolatey.

JonathanWho seems to be channeling Jerri Blanc today

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Yesterday I received an e-mail of a good friend of mine who just moved back to South Africa, after living two years in amsterdam. She was very happy and told me how great her new apartment was, how cute the surfers were, when she looked out the window she could see them challenging the waves, and she told me I should go very soon to visit her in Cape Town.

Today I received a call from another friend, telling me that he received a call from our South African friend's family. She was driving back to her new apartment when she crashed, we still don't know how, but she died instantly. She was the happiest person on earth, only 24 years old and she wasn't HIV positive.

For respect to her I can't believe in average age to die. She wasn't average, she didn't die like it either. I never considered myself average, and I'm surely will never do.

No matter what you do or what you keep yourself from doing, you won't scape death, and I think the point is to remember to live while we have the opportunity to do so. At leas, that's what my friend Martha would have said to me, yesterday, if she were to know what a few hours later was about to happen to her.