koontz1973 wrote:JaneAustin suggested I add a few books to this so everyone can see the type of things that can be made.

Science Fantasy

Stories that contain a mix of fantasy and science fiction elements.A wrinkle in the skin

I don't get it why does it to be "fantasy" ? We voted before on Reality vs Fantasy, but no one said back then it will be fantasy like Dwarfes and Witches or Harry Potter. Even Sci-Fi is going to be mixed with fantasy?! In which of the upper categories get space ships, lasers and EMP bombs? If You're gonna mix that with fantasy, this thread is wrong from the start.

koontz1973 wrote:JaneAustin suggested I add a few books to this so everyone can see the type of things that can be made.

Science Fantasy

Stories that contain a mix of fantasy and science fiction elements.A wrinkle in the skin

I don't get it why does it to be "fantasy" ? We voted before on Reality vs Fantasy, but no one said back then it will be fantasy like Dwarfes and Witches or Harry Potter.Even Sci-Fi is going to be mixed with fantasy?! In which of the upper categories get space ships, lasers and EMP bombs? If You're gonna mix that with fantasy, this thread is wrong from the start.

I disagree. Fantasy has many different categories to it. In the first poll, the question was reality versus fantasy. As fantasy won that poll, we now have to decide which style of fantasy should be used.

This part is just examples of what can be done. Not what will be done. You have miss read what Jane asked for. She wanted examples of literature so some of the players who may not be acquainted with fantasy would understand a lot easier what each one does.Science fiction can come in to main parts, Star Wars is purely science fiction all the way, Star Trek has elements of science fact about it. But both are science fantasy. Many of the books and stories listed will not sit into one category alone.

koontz1973 wrote:JaneAustin suggested I add a few books to this so everyone can see the type of things that can be made.

Science Fantasy

Stories that contain a mix of fantasy and science fiction elements.A wrinkle in the skin

I don't get it why does it to be "fantasy" ? We voted before on Reality vs Fantasy, but no one said back then it will be fantasy like Dwarfes and Witches or Harry Potter.Even Sci-Fi is going to be mixed with fantasy?! In which of the upper categories get space ships, lasers and EMP bombs? If You're gonna mix that with fantasy, this thread is wrong from the start.

I disagree. Fantasy has many different categories to it. In the first poll, the question was reality versus fantasy. As fantasy won that poll, we now have to decide which style of fantasy should be used.

This part is just examples of what can be done. Not what will be done. You have miss read what Jane asked for. She wanted examples of literature so some of the players who may not be acquainted with fantasy would understand a lot easier what each one does.Science fiction can come in to main parts, Star Wars is purely science fiction all the way, Star Trek has elements of science fact about it. But both are science fantasy. Many of the books and stories listed will not sit into one category alone.

koontz1973 wrote:This part is just examples of what can be done. Not what will be done. You have miss read what Jane asked for. She wanted examples of literature so some of the players who may not be acquainted with fantasy would understand a lot easier what each one does.

+1

Unfortunately it is misleading. I notice the votes for High Fantasy have pulled ahead again since you inserted "Lord of the Lings", but we are obviously not going to be making an LOTR map.

The categories were clear enough as they were, they didn't need "examples" which just serve to prejudice the vote.

koontz1973 wrote:This part is just examples of what can be done. Not what will be done. You have miss read what Jane asked for. She wanted examples of literature so some of the players who may not be acquainted with fantasy would understand a lot easier what each one does.

+1

Unfortunately it is misleading. I notice the votes for High Fantasy have pulled ahead again since you inserted "Lord of the Lings", but we are obviously not going to be making an LOTR map.

The categories were clear enough as they were, they didn't need "examples" which just serve to prejudice the vote.

koontz1973 wrote:This part is just examples of what can be done. Not what will be done. You have miss read what Jane asked for. She wanted examples of literature so some of the players who may not be acquainted with fantasy would understand a lot easier what each one does.

+1

Unfortunately it is misleading. I notice the votes for High Fantasy have pulled ahead again since you inserted "Lord of the Lings", but we are obviously not going to be making an LOTR map.

The categories were clear enough as they were, they didn't need "examples" which just serve to prejudice the vote.

The votes are and have been pretty close all along. Still only Tuesday and 5 days to go. But when you consider that low fantasy has game of thrones, another map that has been asked for countless times, even attempted to be made a few times as well, that only has two votes. So I do not see them being overly influential in the voting. With them now being on the previous page, I have not removed the examples but placed it into a spoiler to make them less noticeable. Seems a pretty good compromise.

koontz1973 wrote:Science fiction can come in to main parts, Star Wars is purely science fiction all the way, Star Trek has elements of science fact about it. But both are science fantasy.

I'm just saying you're mixing fantasy world with SF. Star Trek is also SF, just like Star Wars. You don't put light sabers and teleport in same universe? Teleport is "somewhat" real and light saber's aren't?

If the map is based on sci-fi, then the fantasy world is out. Of course they can be mixed, but why there is no choice for that?

edit: I mis-read definately all of it, but anyway, don't mix fantasy with sci-fi, it is two different genres

Funny how different people use the same terms different ways. I would not say there is science fact in Star Trek, but I would call it "hard" sci-fi. Star Wars, with its mystical "Force" seems a little softer, leaning to science fantasy. (The Force was mystical to me in the original trilogy. I have heard indirectly that other stories have tried to give it more of a scientific basis, but I don't have anything first-hand on that.)

Science fiction is fantasy. We cannot travel at warp speed to distant planets. No one can carry around a light sword, who would not like a robot to do the house hold chores or to play with the kids. These three are science fiction, but also fantasy when played in the imagination of a 10 year old. Whilst science fiction and fantasy can be classed as two different things (sci-fi based on the plausable) you have a genre of fantasy call science fantasy. Stories that contain a mix of fantasy and science fiction elements. Trek and Wars belong in this category. Where does Avatar fit into the definition? Science fiction elements include the futuristic part, giant machines, space travel and Aliens. The fantasy part comes from the aliens though. They have no science. At the end of the film one character transforms from human to Na’vi, moves from the world of science fiction to that of fantasy.

Popular sicence fantasy include:Star Wars, Dune, The Golden Compass, The Gods of Mars, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Hypospray - Injectors like this have been in use for many years.Personal communicators - who does not have a mobile telephone today?Phasers - wicked lasers spider 3 is the closest today

Universal Translator - these are now around. Iphone have it I think.Medical tricorders - A competition was won by a couple of students to build one of these for real. It had to diagnose 10 different things.

Hypospray - Injectors like this have been in use for many years.Personal communicators - who does not have a mobile telephone today?Phasers - wicked lasers spider 3 is the closest today

Universal Translator - these are now around. Iphone have it I think.Medical tricorders - A competition was won by a couple of students to build one of these for real. It had to diagnose 10 different things.

Ah, but none of these things existed when Star Trek was created by Gene Roddenberry in the mid 1960's. In my mind, it is science fiction if plausible technological advancements could bring about the essential elements of the story, so clearly Star Trek falls into that category. You are almost making my point for me. But the human brain will never be a source of telekinetic power, so the Force remains fantasy. (Inb4 someone says Star Wars does not portray humans, but humanoids who lived "long ago in a galaxy far far away".)

In my mind, science fiction is not fantasy. If it is supernatural, it is fantasy. If it might be natural, but we don't yet have the skills or evidence, then it can be science fiction. There is perhaps a spectrum between these two concepts: after all, Clarke's Third Law of Prediction is "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Now you have me thinking about what distinguishes science fiction from "mainstream" fiction. In some ways, the "CSI" TV series are just barely science fiction in my mind, because what they do could be possible, but in reality, you do not get DNA results overnight. (But someday, perhaps we will.) And what about a novel like Harry Turtledove's "Supervolcano: Eruption"? It describes an eruption in Yellowstone Park, the likes of which has not been seen in over 600,000 years, but which geologists recognize as a real possibility. But we don't know precisely what the effects would be, so it is speculative fiction (another term occasionally used instead of science fiction).

Science fiction is like pornography. You may not be able to describe it, but you know it when you see it.

This is the problem with polls that I think we can all agree on, no matter how it it worded or how many different subjects we place on them, people around the world will always have different definitions for them. When we start to draw this, a lot of leeway can be given to the artist to come up with something new.

I chose contemporary fantasy ... partly because no-one else seems to be talking about it, partly because I had to look it up to properly understand it, partly because Artemis Fowl is one of my all time favourite stories, partly because of the cross-overs with other things (like 666 Park Ave, Under the Mountain, Lovecraft, The Man in Yellow and a gizzillion other things) and partly because I like forging new roads rather than arguing old stuff!

thehippo8 wrote:I chose contemporary fantasy ... partly because no-one else seems to be talking about it, partly because I had to look it up to properly understand it, partly because Artemis Fowl is one of my all time favourite stories, partly because of the cross-overs with other things (like 666 Park Ave, Under the Mountain, Lovecraft, The Man in Yellow and a gizzillion other things) and partly because I like forging new roads rather than arguing old stuff!