It was my understanding from the last thread that he was not convicted(ie traditional jury finding), that he plead down.

I could understand doing that if you're filthy rich, even if you're innocent, to get out of even the effort or taking the risk of a sway-able jury. You don't need to worry about your employ-ability, most people that know you would know you didn't do it.

Also, and maybe more to the point, iirc, the accusations came out during divorce proceedings.(supposedly happened a couple years before...but the accusation was not needed until divorce/custody came up..)

I will always hold that kind of situation under the light of a skeptic.

That said, if my memory is lacking and/or there's evidence he actually did it, lock him up forever. I'm all for defending against a vengeful bunny boiler, but don't want that confused with defending a certified pedo.

Furthermore, he claimed, the MacLean facility wasn't secure enough to protect an inmate like Richards.

Hmmm. That's a good point. If only we had some sort of maximum-security facility that we could use to house people convicted of serious crimes. It could have walls, and fences, and guard towers, and locked cells, and armed guards and everything! Alas, I know of no such facility, so I guess he should just attend a little out-patient therapy and consider his debt to society paid in full.

maram500:Delawheredad: Joe Biden's nitwit so who is our completely useless attorney general is STILL defending his actions and the actions of the judge that resulted in NO JAIL TIME for this scum bag. Joe's idiot DNA STILL insists that he got the best deal he possibly could!

Would someone please translate this from moron teabagger to something remotely approaching even second-grader English? I know that a full translation into literate English is impossible, but I'd accept a translation into something I can actually sort of understand.

Serious Black:Would I be a terrible person if I hope that he gets sent to jail and experiences the prison rape phenomenon first-hand?

Doubt there'd be any rape involved unless it involves him getting impaled with a broom stick. With child molesters, prisoners skip the usual rape and go straight for the brutal, violent murdering of said POS.

So this scumbag doesn't go to jail, because according to his scumbag lawyer,, it would be hard for him, and dangerous. WTF. Any of us would have been sent up for life without parole, and this dick didn't even show up for treatment that wouldn't have worked anyway. And..money will save him again. What a joke our justice system has become.

you are a puppet:Serious Black: Would I be a terrible person if I hope that he gets sent to jail and experiences the prison rape phenomenon first-hand?

"Digital penetration" means that wanting his crime to be visited on him basically means you're hoping for his asshole to be fingered. Which is a weird wish to have for someone.

Assuming it'll be done by some dude in prison, it'll be punishment enough. Have you seen the fingernails on most guys? I'm guessing prisoners aren't much better. Might as well sodomize him with a stick. Plus all the bacteria on their hands that will have an easy time entering the bloodstream from an anal tear.

maram500:Delawheredad: Joe Biden's nitwit so who is our completely useless attorney general is STILL defending his actions and the actions of the judge that resulted in NO JAIL TIME for this scum bag. Joe's idiot DNA STILL insists that he got the best deal he possibly could!

Would someone please translate this from moron teabagger to something remotely approaching even second-grader English? I know that a full translation into literate English is impossible, but I'd accept a translation into something I can actually sort of understand.

Joe Biden's nitwit son who is our completely useless attorney general is still defending the actions of the judge in this case. Joe's son instists he got the best deal possible.

kling_klang_bed:Serious Black: Would I be a terrible person if I hope that he gets sent to jail and experiences the prison rape phenomenon first-hand?

Doubt there'd be any rape involved unless it involves him getting impaled with a broom stick. With child molesters, prisoners skip the usual rape and go straight for the brutal, violent murdering of said POS.

The guys I knew years ago that knew first hand about this, called them creepers(before it got that odd "older guy" definition). Because they creep up on the pedo(and woman beaters, regular rapists, and other child abusers) and toss him over a rail.

From what I gather, women child abusers get their shiat farked up as well. Nothing worse to a woman criminal than a woman who'd abuse kids.

For both, it's also a rite of passage. I'd assume people don't mind if you turn down the opportunity if you're a short-timer though. No need to fark yourself over in the process.

All fine and well if the person is actually guilty. Good on them in that case.

What sucks balls is our justice system. Watched a ted talk the other day about false positive identification from rape victims(really, about how memory can be flawed in general, but that was featured prominently). Our courts are hardly ideal. That's why I have a tough time joining in on internet lynch mobs where "we" often don't have even a fraction of the evidence, and hesitant to take an absolute position supporting the death penalty.

If we had a magical system that was never wrong, then sure, death penalty away. Rapists, molesters, abusers, murderers, etc.

Joe Biden's nitwit so who is our completely useless attorney general is STILL defending his actions and the actions of the judge that resulted in NO JAIL TIME for this scum bag. Joe's idiot DNA STILL insists that he got the best deal he possibly could!

If you can't Tell if it's Sarcasm or a Stroke, it loses its Funny.

It ain't sarcasm OR a stroke the Attorney general who prosecuted (Joe Biden's moron of a son) defended the judges sentence!

You're so desperate to make this political that you're just making an ass of yourself. Plus, you should proof-read before you post.

generallyso:Itchy92: I used to be kind of against the death penalty. I was never really sure why; I don't believe life is sacred or anything, I guess maybe just because the whole "state-sponsored murder" connotation bothered me. But the older I get, the more I really, really wish we would just kill the vile elements of our species. There's no rehabilitation for violent offenders or career criminals. Non-violent crime? Death penalty on your second offense. Violent crime or sexual assault? First offense.

No torture or anything. Just a swift culling. Innocent people die every day for a million reasons; I could live with a little blood on my hands.

/Not trolling. Just sharing a somewhat unpopular opinion.

We used to execute people for a lot of things. It didn't improve society.

Maybe we just didn't execute them for enough things.

And I don't that I necessarily agree with that, anyway. Back when we used to execute people for a lot of things, I think society had a bunch of other issues that would make quantitative improvement hard to measure. We still have lots and lots of issues, but I think if we were to reduce recidivist crime (particularly for heinous cases like rapists and child molesters), I think it would be a marked improvement in our day-to-day lives. Of course, I also think "wanton greed" and "unscrupulous dealings" should fall into the 2-offense category, but hell, it's my fantasy, let me have it.

Bit'O'Gristle:So this scumbag doesn't go to jail, because according to his scumbag lawyer,, it would be hard for him, and dangerous. WTF. Any of us would have been sent up for life without parole, and this dick didn't even show up for treatment that wouldn't have worked anyway. And..money will save him again. What a joke our justice system has become.

We can only hope someone will dispense some good old justice on this sicko. Let him get violated in the most vicious and painful ways then left to live with it. His daughter has too.

And no I won't feel bad for this monster who not only raped a child but his own daughter to boot then got off.

omeganuepsilon:kling_klang_bed: Serious Black: Would I be a terrible person if I hope that he gets sent to jail and experiences the prison rape phenomenon first-hand?

Doubt there'd be any rape involved unless it involves him getting impaled with a broom stick. With child molesters, prisoners skip the usual rape and go straight for the brutal, violent murdering of said POS.

The guys I knew years ago that knew first hand about this, called them creepers(before it got that odd "older guy" definition). Because they creep up on the pedo(and woman beaters, regular rapists, and other child abusers) and toss him over a rail.

From what I gather, women child abusers get their shiat farked up as well. Nothing worse to a woman criminal than a woman who'd abuse kids.

For both, it's also a rite of passage. I'd assume people don't mind if you turn down the opportunity if you're a short-timer though. No need to fark yourself over in the process.

All fine and well if the person is actually guilty. Good on them in that case.

What sucks balls is our justice system. Watched a ted talk the other day about false positive identification from rape victims(really, about how memory can be flawed in general, but that was featured prominently). Our courts are hardly ideal. That's why I have a tough time joining in on internet lynch mobs where "we" often don't have even a fraction of the evidence, and hesitant to take an absolute position supporting the death penalty.

If we had a magical system that was never wrong, then sure, death penalty away. Rapists, molesters, abusers, murderers, etc.

I've heard about that too from friends I've had who've been in the pokey (though 'creeper' was never used), and from what they've told me too they think the exact same of people who fark with old people as well. As per the second part, we're talking about a child far too young to be able to pinpoint and recall such things (at least until later, when the psychological effects really take hold), and a guy who admitted to it, saying it was an 'accident'.

What perplexes me too is: what the fark is 4th degree rape?!? Rape is rape, unless you're talking to that one idiot Republican politician who was talking about 'legitimate rape'.

Either way, a nice Blood Eagle for this sub-dung beetle terd is in order (given all the evidence and his admittance):

Set an example to other rich pricks who commit heinous crimes like RAPING HIS OWN CHILDREN. The super-wealthy need to be reminded that they are NOT above the law. (Yeah, right. Laws are for the "little folk".)

Itchy92:I used to be kind of against the death penalty. I was never really sure why; I don't believe life is sacred or anything, I guess maybe just because the whole "state-sponsored murder" connotation bothered me. But the older I get, the more I really, really wish we would just kill the vile elements of our species. There's no rehabilitation for violent offenders or career criminals. Non-violent crime? Death penalty on your second offense. Violent crime or sexual assault? First offense.

No torture or anything. Just a swift culling. Innocent people die every day for a million reasons; I could live with a little blood on my hands.

/Not trolling. Just sharing a somewhat unpopular opinion.

Your opinion, sure. You're free to hold it.

But the reality is that those methods do not work. They've been tried. Many times. Probably more than imprisonment has been tried.

Itchy92:I used to be kind of against the death penalty. I was never really sure why; I don't believe life is sacred or anything, I guess maybe just because the whole "state-sponsored murder" connotation bothered me. But the older I get, the more I really, really wish we would just kill the vile elements of our species. There's no rehabilitation for violent offenders or career criminals. Non-violent crime? Death penalty on your second offense. Violent crime or sexual assault? First offense.

No torture or anything. Just a swift culling. Innocent people die every day for a million reasons; I could live with a little blood on my hands.

generallyso:Itchy92: I used to be kind of against the death penalty. I was never really sure why; I don't believe life is sacred or anything, I guess maybe just because the whole "state-sponsored murder" connotation bothered me. But the older I get, the more I really, really wish we would just kill the vile elements of our species. There's no rehabilitation for violent offenders or career criminals. Non-violent crime? Death penalty on your second offense. Violent crime or sexual assault? First offense.

No torture or anything. Just a swift culling. Innocent people die every day for a million reasons; I could live with a little blood on my hands.

/Not trolling. Just sharing a somewhat unpopular opinion.

We used to execute people for a lot of things. It didn't improve society.

Even though I wish both of you were right somehow, I don't know which I agree with more.

Why are people so intent on farking up being alive for others?

That said, touching a child is unthinkable to anyone with an ounce of compassion and decency in their make up.

I don't think we need those people in society.

Prison is just something to which they become adjusted. Living life in prison is still living, something a murder victim cannot do and the victim of a violent sexual crime will forever struggle to do.

Something people seem to forget is that a person can never truly understand what another has gone through unless they experience what that other individual has experienced. Therefore, in order for this bastard to truly be sorry for what he did, he needs to experience being raped by someone or something far bigger than him, while being reminded the whole time that this is what his daughter felt like. Once he feels completely helpless, broken, is begging to stop, then he'll understand and the punishment can end. This is an extremely effective method and I don't understand why it's not adopted by justice systems.

I appreciate the measured responses to my somewhat visceral post. But as I mentioned: I don't think life is sacred. I think being a member of society is a privilege, and when you violate the most fundamental of our laws (i.e. don't hurt others), you forfeit that privilege. And personally, I think I would prefer death to a lifetime of imprisonment; I think denying a person their freedom is far more cruel than simply ending their life. But then, I have a somewhat uncommon philosophy on life, and until I was in a situation where I actually had to pick between the two, it's hard to say which I'd really prefer.

If we still had an "Australia" to send them to, I'd be OK with that; but the idea that we can either "rehabilitate" or " impose penitence" on those who willfully seek to hurt others-- and then release them back into society-- is invalid; recidivism rates prove that, just as much as you may say corporal punishment is proven ineffective. And as I said, I think a life sentence confined to a prison cell is far crueler than death.

Cells cull the faulty members of their structures, animals cull their herds of those that don't cooperate... why do we think it's so wrong to do the same?

Nacc:Ballsy of him to hope to be reunited with his daughter. Someone I know wants to change her last name, wants nothing whatsoever to do with her father for similar reasons.

If at some point later in time, the mom or kid ends up shooting him after he tries something else, and I were on the jury, my vote would be not guilty. The system has CLEARLY failed this child, I can't imagine the terror of growing up knowing that not only is your dad a rapist, but he is such a powerful and respected rapist, that after he PUBLICLY ADMITTED RAPING YOU, essentially nothing happened to him. That has got to fark a person up psychologically.

Itchy92:I used to be kind of against the death penalty. I was never really sure why; I don't believe life is sacred or anything, I guess maybe just because the whole "state-sponsored murder" connotation bothered me. But the older I get, the more I really, really wish we would just kill the vile elements of our species. There's no rehabilitation for violent offenders or career criminals. Non-violent crime? Death penalty on your second offense. Violent crime or sexual assault? First offense.

No torture or anything. Just a swift culling. Innocent people die every day for a million reasons; I could live with a little blood on my hands.

/Not trolling. Just sharing a somewhat unpopular opinion.

The only problem with this is that we're humans and make mistakes, hell there was an article on FARK about a guy who was imprisoned for 24 YEARS despite evidence that he was thousands of miles away AT DISNEYLAND. He had ticket receipts, photos, etc.

To execute anyone you need to go through dozens of appeals to make sure we have the right person, while you can free someone, you can't give someone your life back.

Wouldn't the DA be the one to blame in this scenario? They're the ones who go to the judge and say "we don't have a strong case, but the defendant is willing to plea deal". It's not like they went through a trial and the judge decided on a light sentence.