I have a 2004 double cab 4x4 with the small V8, it is a little smaller than the current body style and has 1 less gear. Handles a 19' Nitro just fine, also pull a 20' gooseneck with it loaded with about 8000 lbs. Won't win any drag races towing but cruises and holds cruising speed great, rarely ever put it in tow mode....

159,000 miles and going strong, only maintenance besides oil changes air filter, brake pads and tires has been routine timing belt/water pump replacement at 110,00 miles

Man.after the last three Chrysler products ....I just can not let myself own another one. Ever. I hope you stay happy with the dodge truck. I really do. I just feel like a sucker after having three different vehicles by them and all three have been one check engine light away from a lemon law! Haha. That said, my wife's Lexus vehicles have been absolutely flawless in every way, shape, and form. Our experiences with Lexus(Toyota) have been a smile every time. Every trip to the stealership for the Chrysler/dodge/and jeep have been a total nightmare. And I have tried different service departments. The jeep I currently own was window sticker rated for 18-20mpg. It gets average around 14. And towing it gets almost 8. Haha. Shure looks cool...even on the back of a tow truck 9 times in 4 years. So did my 300C. And my sons 200...best thing to happen to it was his girlfriend totaled it a few weeks back. (Thank you lord for the blessing and no injuries).

I'd rather get a little less mileage and save the $10k premium to take a chance on another "new" engine design from Fiat.

I traded my 2013 in on a Dodge Eco Deisel. Toyota 5.7. Got me 9.9 miles per gallon maybe 10.9 if I drove 60-65 mph. First time out with dodge was 16.9 towing. It's now averaging 20.2 in city driving.

Loved my Toyota bug hated filling it up every two days. Just something to consider

I understand what you're saying, but you can pay for a lot of gas for the price of one of those eco diesels. If they didn't want $40k for them, it'd be easy for some of us to make the switch. No way I'm paying $40k for a half ton pickup.

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My dad has the 5.7 in his 2013 Tundra, and that's what I would suggest if you know you're going to be towing. I'm sure the 4.8 is fine, but nearly all of the 5.7 motors come with a towing package because that's what they expect you to buy if you're going to be doing it.

My dad gets 16-17 highway, 14-15 city in his without anything behind it. He gets 10-11 with their bumper pull trailer, so I'd imagine something around 12-13 highway towing with the boat.

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I traded my 2013 in on a Dodge Eco Deisel. Toyota 5.7. Got me 9.9 miles per gallon maybe 10.9 if I drove 60-65 mph. First time out with dodge was 16.9 towing. It's now averaging 20.2 in city driving.

Loved my Toyota bug hated filling it up every two days. Just something to consider

I understand what you're saying, but you can pay for a lot of gas for the price of one of those eco diesels. If they didn't want $40k for them, it'd be easy for some of us to make the switch. No way I'm paying $40k for a half ton pickup.

Do tell... what are people paying for crew cab 4x4 comparably equipped 1/2 ton trucks when compared to the ecodiesel? My BIL bought a new F150 the week after I bought my EcoD and we paid less than $100 difference out the door. I bought an Ecodiesel and from my own shopping around comparing apples to apples I don't think they cost that outrageously much more. Im averaging over 26-27 mpg back and forth to work and better on the hwy. Im not going to say its perfect, but I spend about 1/2 on fuel of what someone driving a 5.7 tundra does. I get almost the same fuel mileage out of a full size crew cab 4x4 truck as my wife gets out of a front wheel drive crossover with a 4 cylinder. I have nothing against Toyota, I just refused to buy a 1/2 ton pickup that gets low teens mpg's.

I traded my 2013 in on a Dodge Eco Deisel. Toyota 5.7. Got me 9.9 miles per gallon maybe 10.9 if I drove 60-65 mph. First time out with dodge was 16.9 towing. It's now averaging 20.2 in city driving.

Loved my Toyota bug hated filling it up every two days. Just something to consider

I understand what you're saying, but you can pay for a lot of gas for the price of one of those eco diesels. If they didn't want $40k for them, it'd be easy for some of us to make the switch. No way I'm paying $40k for a half ton pickup.

Do tell... what are people paying for crew cab 4x4 comparably equipped 1/2 ton trucks when compared to the ecodiesel? My BIL bought a new F150 the week after I bought my EcoD and we paid less than $100 difference out the door. I bought an Ecodiesel and from my own shopping around comparing apples to apples I don't think they cost that outrageously much more. Im averaging over 26-27 mpg back and forth to work and better on the hwy. Im not going to say its perfect, but I spend about 1/2 on fuel of what someone driving a 5.7 tundra does. I get almost the same fuel mileage out of a full size crew cab 4x4 truck as my wife gets out of a front wheel drive crossover with a 4 cylinder. I have nothing against Toyota, I just refused to buy a 1/2 ton pickup that gets low teens mpg's.

It would be easy to spend way more on a Ford or Chevy with a gas engine if you loaded them up and then compared them to a base Ecodiesel. In my experience, the Big 3 are really close to actual OTD price- not necessarily sticker, though. The ED is just over $3K higher than the 5.7 Hemi, which will be very close to a 5.3L GM or a Ford 5.0L in price all other things being equal. So, it's a 3K option no matter how you slice it. If you calculate the ED at 15K miles per year at 30H/20C with a 50/50 mix at 2.00 per gallon, annual fuel cost is $1250. A gasser at 15K miles per year at 20H/15C with a 50/50 mix at 2.00 per gallon has an annual cost of $1750. So, the average driver will not recoup that investment for 6 years. Now, if that $3K is still there in equity at the end of that 6 year period, you've actually saved $3K by having the ED. Granted, diesel is usually higher per gallon than gas and there are some additional maintenance expenses with a diesel, but how many of us as truck owners really care? I consider things like this, but usually just get what I want if it's within reason. With all of this being said, if you want a Tundra, get the 5.7.

Thanks for the information guys! Yes, I will get the 5.7L. I want a truck that doesn't have to constantly kick down multiple gears while towing and using cruise control. I will admit, I do tend to speed a little. I know I shouldn't, but when driving from DFW to Florida to fish....I wind up setting cruise around 5 over the limit. With the jeep, and 35" mud tires....it is ugly. When towing it through northern Arkansas, it was white knuckles all the way. Couldn't get it up hills, and couldn't get it slowed going down em. Lol.

I traded my 2013 in on a Dodge Eco Deisel. Toyota 5.7. Got me 9.9 miles per gallon maybe 10.9 if I drove 60-65 mph. First time out with dodge was 16.9 towing. It's now averaging 20.2 in city driving.

Loved my Toyota bug hated filling it up every two days. Just something to consider

I understand what you're saying, but you can pay for a lot of gas for the price of one of those eco diesels. If they didn't want $40k for them, it'd be easy for some of us to make the switch. No way I'm paying $40k for a half ton pickup.

Do tell... what are people paying for crew cab 4x4 comparably equipped 1/2 ton trucks when compared to the ecodiesel? My BIL bought a new F150 the week after I bought my EcoD and we paid less than $100 difference out the door. I bought an Ecodiesel and from my own shopping around comparing apples to apples I don't think they cost that outrageously much more. Im averaging over 26-27 mpg back and forth to work and better on the hwy. Im not going to say its perfect, but I spend about 1/2 on fuel of what someone driving a 5.7 tundra does. I get almost the same fuel mileage out of a full size crew cab 4x4 truck as my wife gets out of a front wheel drive crossover with a 4 cylinder. I have nothing against Toyota, I just refused to buy a 1/2 ton pickup that gets low teens mpg's.

My brother used to work for a Chevy dealer til a year or so ago. I could've had a 2015 crew cab 5.3L for $26k plus TT&L. I have no use for 4x4, but I think the cheapest I could've got a 4x4 was about $30k (one of the many reasons 4x4 doesn't make sense for most folks - it costs too much). From what I've seen, a comparable ED would be at least $10k more. At 15k miles a year, $2 per gallon gas, and 18mpg average, that's 6 years of gas for free by buying the cheaper truck.

Maybe I'm wrong about the OTD prices of ED. I'm only going off what I've heard online. I never priced one with a dealer or anything. Not trying to start an argument - just trying to explain the math of a $40k half ton to the guy.

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My brother used to work for a Chevy dealer til a year or so ago. I could've had a 2015 crew cab 5.3L for $26k plus TT&L. I have no use for 4x4, but I think the cheapest I could've got a 4x4 was about $30k (one of the many reasons 4x4 doesn't make sense for most folks - it costs too much). From what I've seen, a comparable ED would be at least $10k more. At 15k miles a year, $2 per gallon gas, and 18mpg average, that's 6 years of gas for free by buying the cheaper truck.

Maybe I'm wrong about the OTD prices of ED. I'm only going off what I've heard online. I never priced one with a dealer or anything. Not trying to start an argument - just trying to explain the math of a $40k half ton to the guy.

If you can buy them for that little you need to start flipping them, just buy a new one and sell it to CarMax. you would make a shart ton of money On the other hand I tend to believe your FOS.

My brother used to work for a Chevy dealer til a year or so ago. I could've had a 2015 crew cab 5.3L for $26k plus TT&L. I have no use for 4x4, but I think the cheapest I could've got a 4x4 was about $30k (one of the many reasons 4x4 doesn't make sense for most folks - it costs too much). From what I've seen, a comparable ED would be at least $10k more. At 15k miles a year, $2 per gallon gas, and 18mpg average, that's 6 years of gas for free by buying the cheaper truck.

Maybe I'm wrong about the OTD prices of ED. I'm only going off what I've heard online. I never priced one with a dealer or anything. Not trying to start an argument - just trying to explain the math of a $40k half ton to the guy.

If you can buy them for that little you need to start flipping them, just buy a new one and sell it to CarMax. you would make a shart ton of money On the other hand I tend to believe your FOS.

In Fall 2013 I bought a my 2013 F150 SCrew EB 4x4 XLT for $31,XXX. It had the highest XLT package, 302A, which included backup camera, upgraded radio, power seats, etc. Sticker was $43,850. That price also included factory tow mirrors installed (I kept the originals, too) and an upgrade to XL load range Cooper tires over the SL factories. I bought my 2015 F250 SCrew XLT 6.7 PSD FX4 for $13,250 off MSRP in Fall of 2015. This was when the best advertised deals anywhere were at $10K off. And neither of these were "undesirables". Both were the popular dark shadow grey and had to be searched for and dealer traded. The key is to buy when factory incentives are high and catch a dealer when they NEED to sell more vehicles to meet a quota for their financing kickbacks. You can buy them below REAL cost and actually get down into the dealers finance profit this way.

You can buy any and all vehicles at the right time of the year to get a better deal. I bought a 2011 chevy crew cab z71 for under 30k otd. The stars lined up to make that happen, you couldn't just walk out and do it whenever the mood hit you.