Has anyone else gotten into spats with liberal friends on FB?

Donna - posted on 02/03/2009
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The amount of hostility I've gotten from my liberal friends has been astounding. I want to say: Hi, y'all won. I have every right to be part of the loyal opposition. At least I'm remaining loyal to my country and want it to stay the course and not veer off into socialism/communism like Obama and Congress would have us do.

I have been attacked over abortion a number of times. One person told me that it was a good alternative to an unwanted pregnancy. Seeing as how I was an unwanted pregnancy (I am adopted) I found that sort of offensive. And this person KNEW I was adopted and began their rant with "Against my better judgment because I know you're adopted..." We went back and forth for awhile over private messages until I'd had enough and I told them exactly what I thought of Obama. They accused me of personally attacking them (didn't know I was messaging Obama...) and now refuse to communicate with me. So I can only assume they are so passionate about abortion that they put my feelings aside and I'm supposed to overlook that, but if I criticize the President over VALID points (inexperience, naivety, using the race card) it is a hateful attack on them. Insane! This person was also offended because I asked "Yes we can WHAT exactly?" I am still waiting on my answer.

I'm just fed up. I have thought about canceling my FB account but that would be a victory for them and I won't let them have another.

How do you even begin to rationalize with a liberal? They don't seem to want to hear facts or use common sense. They seem to want to make every decision based on how something makes them feel, morality and ethics be damned.

Ali, you're an idiot. If I shouldn't have an opinion on abortion because it "doesn't affect me", then I shouldn't have an opinion on someone else being murdered, raped, robbed or beaten. It certainly didn't affect me in any way, but I still know all those things are wrong. Yes, Ali, I know you liberals don't like to admit this, but there actually are 'right' and 'wrong' in this world. Everything isn't just "whatever". That's why we have laws. When I saw my now 8 year old daughter on an ultrasound moving, smiling, frowning, etc., I knew for a fact she was a human PERSON. However, I saw that when she was still legally eligible to be aborted (murdered).

And as far as gay marriage. If you agree with that and that 'it's none of my business' or 'I shouldn't worry about it because it doesn't affect me'...then what about letting anyone marry anything? Why can't a man marry a horse? Why can't a man marry 16 women or 16 other men? Why not allow children to marry? Who are YOU to say I can't marry my 11 year old niece?

Here's the thing. If you don't agree anyone should be able to marry anyone else and any number of anyone elses...then you are a bigot. You are closed minded. And remember...'it doesn't affect you'...right?

Your problem is that you are denying that a "fetus" is a human life. If you do nothing to stop it, a human child will be born in 9 months. You can sugar coat it all you want, and argue semantics, but at the end of the day, you are committing murder. It really is that simple. I asked you this a few minutes ago and I will ask you again: are you willing to take that first step towards clarity today and accept that you are murdering another human being? There is no ambiguity here, and yet, pro abortion advocates do their very best to cloud the issue by calling it "reproductive rights" and using bumper sticker slogans like "pro choice."

Did you know that the founder of planned parenthood was an advocate for eugenics? And did you further know that she believe that lighter skinned races were superior to darker skinned races? Think about that for a minute. Who goes to planned parenthood for abortions?

You can call it anything you want, but at the end of the day, it's murder.

I am a liberal, and the problem that I usually have is when people tell me I'm wrong for thinking it is no one else's business if I don't believe in god, have an abortion, etc. Don't like abortion, don't have one. That should be the end of the conversation, because someone else's fetus is none of your business. You can be entitled to feel that abortion is not the right choice for you, but maybe you should say that instead of using blanket statements that abortion is wrong, period. You are, in fact, being hostile when you judge someone else for something that harms you in no way.

Also, if you're Christian and you start saying things like, "Evolution is only a theory," you should expect a big opposition, because facts don't have a liberal bias. They are facts. Evidence of evolution is all around us, and the only reason it isn't law is because we don't know the mechanism as to how it started. That is the ONLY thing up for debate with evolution.

Also, if you don't know the difference between communism and socialism, people are going to get upset when you use the terms interchangabley, as they are NOT the same thing. So, it's not you that people are getting upset with you personally, but your lack of knowledge. You have your right to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts.

If you don't like same sex marraige, don't enter into one. That should be the end of that!

I don't mind if you don't like our president, but I do mind if the reason is a lie.

Thank you for being so articulate. I agree we need to start saying something yet continue to take the high road. We can't stay silent. You are right about them no knowing any facts - they only watch regular media if that and are oblivious to the truth. They drank the kool-aid.

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Sjajr1 - posted on 01/02/2015

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People get too wrapped up into the conservative liberal memes. Facebook was not intended to be a place to throw opinions around-there a re plenty of blogs out there in hyperspace for that. And really think about it. You have found one of your closest childhood friends. With whom you still can have a close relationship with and now you unfriend them because you disagree with Michelle Obama's hair? Because someone comments on her personal style they are obviously one of "them". Its really easy to get pulled into peoples politics. So when I see something that may appear political, there is a tiny down arrow on the upper right hand corner of the post. Click and select "I don't want to see this". Maybe its my age, but I realize there are much more important things in life than political drama. I am a male, and I have always admired how woman's friendships can stay above things like this.

I'm new to this site. I just had to google., to see if anyone had been feeling an overwhelming attacks from liberals, like I. I am a facebooker voicing my opinions and I get so many outraged people, family and so-called friends attacking me calling me names, saying I am an idiot for disliking or disagreeing with Obama. Lately, I wanted to show my responsibility and right to this country by using my freedom of speech to make sure our nation does not become socialism, and reposting republican anti-obama posts. But the liberals do not respect!! I am surrounded by them! Most have calmed down some have de friend me,but overall it goes to show me that this is not going to be an easy fight. I worry our nation is sinking. Our freedoms are being stripped away! Most of the liberals I know are so hypocritical! They cry about their freedoms.. But then supports a government who watches and hears everything we do. They want peace, no war? But then supports the president who still has our soldiers in Afghanistan? Gay marriage? Why does this belief forced on us when they dislike Christianity forced on them? Most of the people I know who became gay was sexually abused or a hormone problem. Maybe doctors could fix this problem? Most I know are bisexual, which to me is totally about sex! How could this be ok? USA reminds me a lot like Rome! Which in the end they fell. We need to take our country back before it does fall!

To the person (I think it was "Ali G") who said "how does abortion affect you?", the answer is, it doesn't - no more than a murder in Chicago affects me, or slavery in Africa (which is still going on to this day). The jewish holocaust didn't affect me either.

Or does it? Any time an innocent life is taken, it says as much about us as the people who commit the heinous act. How will we respond? Do we just say "that's someone else's problem" or do we come together as a community and take a stand?

Abortion is murder. You are killing an innocent life when you do commit that act. You can sugar coat it and say it's about "choice" or "women's rights" or whatever, but at the end of the day, you are murdering another human being. What I ask for is so simple, and yet so difficult for abortion advocates to accept: simply acknowledge that it's murder. Acknowledge that you are murdering your own child. That's all. I am not asking for legislation or to overturn Roe vs. Wade or any of that. Just a simple acknowledgement that its murder.

You see, when we take the blinders off and start looking at it for what it REALLY is, there will be no need for legislation - no more than there is a need to have a law against cutting off your own leg. That's all. Are you willing to acknowledge today that it is murder? Do it if you want - there's no law against it. I am just asking for a little honesty.

You can have an opinion, but if it's on something like abortion or same sex marraige, you should probably keep it to yourself. Someone else's abortion or gay marraige doesn't affect you in any way, so how do you have the right to tell others what to do??

I agree wholeheartedly. I live in CA and if you do not believe in gay marriage you are victimized. I may like a gay person but I may not like what they do or their lifestyle. I have that right about anything including not believing in abortion. Why should I be afraid to voice my personal opinions? We have to get out there in groups and start being assertive or we will not be able to carry congress the next election.

I agree with you 100% I live in CA where it seems like everyone is liberal. If you oppose a democrat's viewpoint you are personally attacked. If you disagree you are told you are unAmerican and these "friends", even lifelong ones, do not value my right to have an opinion and would rather lose my friendship than allow me to have one. They say terrible anti-conservative things in front of me, so I now leave their home or the conversation if they do. I feel I have no freedom of speech. I refuse to back down now and they know they can't say anything in front of me anymore if they want my presence so they avoid the subject. I am tired of them glorifying Michelle Obama's hair or how handsome Obama is. They are looking at them because they are "cool" in their eyes and have made celebrities out of them. They have all drank the kook-aid while our country is being ruined by them more each day. I am tired of this non-media who worships them and I think at some point we conservatives have to start assembling at a grass roots level and call ourselves conservatives, and not the tea party, and start doing something at the educational and college level. Our kids are being indoctrinated and it has got to stop. We have to select the textbooks and the teachers and sit in on the classes if we have to in order to get this to stop. We have to fight for this country.

I don't get into spats. If a "friend" can't be civil I simply delete them. I like to debate civilly with anyone, no matter what their politics but if they can't handle thoughtful debate, I don't have time for them in my life.

You are better at it then I am then. I have tried pleasantries, I have tried sincere validation of their views, I have tried many things, and everytime, it comes back to name calling and condescension. I will keep trying, though.

Lived there. Been there. Done that. It took me a while to feel I had the right to stand up for what I believed in because of the personal attacks of liberals. I am not sure about the use of the term Liberal. When did it become perjorative, I don't know, but I use it to describe those who self-righteously think they know what is right and everyone else should think so to; and it they don't, they are stupid, backward, boring, and less of a human being. They complain about a class system and tout equality but they they certainly do discriminate against conservative thinking of any kind.

Oh, My God! Please! I just had two. All over the comment Hillary Clinton made during her hearings: "What difference does it make?". One was from a high school friend who I knew was a liberal, but she is a very compassionate, caring person, so I was surprised she thought this was OK to say. I won't get into all the back and forth over context vs. loss of control vs. republican witch hunt vs. inexcusable comments, but I was called names, told I was vulgar, and accused of attaching her when it was Hillary I was ranting about. Just a few minutes ago, on the Hillary Clinton 2016 web site, I posted a comment and was expecting the typical treatment, but I actually had for a while what I thought was a civil conversation. I thought we were conversing. Boy was I wrong. Out of nowhere the tone changed to insulting, rude, name calling ensued. Of course. Apparently in the conversation when this person said it was OK to agree to disagree, and then went on to say that neither of us was going to convince each other meant this person did not want to converse with me any longer. The thing is, liberals also think you are trying to convince them of something just because you comment in a way that is contrary to their beliefs. They do not want to debate too long unless in the end you end up agreeing with them. And another thing about this conversation and ever other I have posted to a liberal or on a liberal web site, I am just commenting. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. It is impossible to communicate with these people. Jekyl and Hyde personalities, and everything you say as an afront to their person. Sometimes it gets comical, but it doesn't take long before the name calling starts, the afront to IQ and intelligence comes next, and taking it personally follows, and they use all of this to attack your beliefs. It is insane. Truly. Is it that they just cannot see life from an alternative perspective? I don't know. What I do know is that it is impossible to carry on a rational discussion with them if you do not agree with them. Crazy, I say!

It is kind of amazing that liberals have finally decided to fight back (since that is not the liberal nature, the word being synonymous with acceptance) when backed completely into a corner by the most irrational people on earth. But I do sympathize. When you live in an insular world, rational or irrational, those outside it can appear angry or not depending on just how much anger you put into defending your world.

I dont think anyone should lay low about what they think, everyone has a right to believe in what they want to believe and should be comfortable doing so. Dont let people walk over you, I dont mean get into arguements but stand your ground and be proud of what you believe in. Thats the other issue people dont need to isolate others for their political believes, its really sad how people can be. But personally I will not let that stop me Im not going to be shamed by others. I want peace too but people need to understand what you said they will do is not right!

I think americas problem is the parties. We are seperated, we all need to undertsand that each individual thinks differently and embrace it. I might think more of on the conservative side but that doesnt mean I believe everything a republican says. We (Idk if this site is for the world lol) are people ofthe United states, united is soo overlooked today

You are not alone. I am hammered with political post and just choose not to respond. I won't even "LIKE" or dislike. Facebook to me is not for politics or religion. I live in CA, a Democratic state. Anybody in a different party has to ly low and vote in silence for fear of being isolated or just to keep the peace.

haha yes. my husbands grandmother and her daughter are Obama lovers and very democratic. I normally keep away from political or controversal conversations with them but his grandma (who is 80) got on the subject of abortion. Wrong conv. to begin with. I told her I do not believe in it and she said WHAT???!!! are you kidding , you just dont believe in sex??

Its rediculous to me on how she thinks about it, she thinks that people can have sex all they want and they dont have to care about a baby cause they can kill it anytime they want and have as much pleasure as they please. She is really on the opposite end than I and I realize that alot of people arnt as extreme but with her daughter she is on facebook and me and my hubby has gotten into it with her over thinks like this. BTW she lives in Boston and has for years even under Romney and absolutely LOVES it. But she would anyday choose Obama over him. Crazy I would say, I just dont quite understand how she just cant stand Romney and his ways??

We just quit talking politics on fb because it just doesnt go anywhere. people are going to think what they want to think and I cant change their mind I gave up, but that doesnt mean Ill quit psoting things i believe though, Ill just delete their remarks lol where i dont have to look at em and get mad

Both sides do a lot of spouting off based on their favorite place to get news. I do know that "The Daily shows" fake news had the most informed viewers several years in a row and Fox News consistently came in near the bottom. I'm a Mormon and there is no way I could vote for Romney, all I see in him is inconsistency, Bain Capital was in the market of getting rid of American jobs not creating jobs, and he's a bully. I'm still trying to decide where he stands on any issue besides more tax cuts for the wealthy, course it's hard to know where he stands from one day to the next. I've been trying to get a conservative to explain this to me but no one wants to take me up on the offer, so I can only assume they don't have a real reason for voting for him. Maybe you could help me with this. The other Mormon Huntsman was the only Republican I could of even thought about voting for in this election and not because he was a Mormon but because he is compassionate and a real fiscal conservative. Although I like Ron Paul too, might have been able to vote for him too.

I have! My biggest pet peeve are the posts that claim anyone voting for Romney is "lacking in basic intelligence." I consider myself very well educated on the issues (considerably more so than most of my liberal friends, who continually spout off the CNN/MSNBC talking points, but who rarely think for themselves or do any form or research), and those are fighting words! :) Unfortunately, I've found that even if I post facts with links to prove my points, I get people who say "I just don't believe it." What can you do?!?!

Sorry you have this problem, I have the reverse problem of not being able to rationalize with conservatives, some can be quite hateful and rude. Guess there are people like that on both sides of the issues. It was wrong of that person to say something like that to you, there are certainly more helpful ways of debating an issue than insulting someone. My response to the abortion issue is that I support abortion because we don't need more unwanted children who end up abused which leads to mental disorders and more people in prison. I know because I was abused physically, emotionally, and sexually and am left with bpd which is a debilitating disorder and the only reason I haven't committed suicide at this point is my life is my 3 wonderful children and I couldn't do that to them. I believe I successfully broke the cycle of abuse with my children which is one of the few things that makes me proud. I hate everyday of my existence and am looking forward to the day that I can say goodbye to this crappy world. The estimates of inmates with bpd range from 25 percent to 50 percent of the prison population which is staggering.

The thing I fail to understand about pro-lifers is that the majority of them support the death penalty and some also support wars that maim and kill children, seems like a bit of hypocrisy to me. I support socialism and even communism as a means of helping to eliminate suffering of children who had no choice but to be born into such a crappy world, not that I'm saying I necessarily supported Russia's or China's communistic efforts because they were also totalitarian governments which I don't support.

This is a few years later after all of your posts...I am so into this election right now....I am so afraid of Obama getting reelected...I'm sure you all know. I do post a lot of pro--Romney, conservative stuff on fb....my Liberal family in WI can't stand me. They all think that I am evil. I get the...I love your posts...keep up the good fight from my conservative friends. Most of them (I think) are too afraid to post things themselves. I feel like I am somewhat informed. My husband, his father and brother have a small business...I have seen the economy ruin it.

I believe that our president is a liar...this whole Libya thing makes me sick...Those four heroes died and Mr obama barely talks about it...when he does, he blames some stupid video..Not the fact that it was a terrorist attack...something that the leader of the free world should address in the harshest terms. Instead he called it a "bump". Wow.

I totally have. One of my old friends from HS always posts liberal videos and thoughts on facebook and I made the mistake of getting into it with her. The funny thing is, the only other people who comment are her mother and at one point, a libertarian friend. Anyway, her mother ended up telling me "your morals are dreadfully skewed and you're devoid of true kindness, mercy, and soul" because I didn't agree with raising taxes on the wealthy and I don't support Planned Parenthood. I almost want to have that quote framed, it was so perfect. I never thought in a million years anyone would say that about me and I still don't think anyone who actually knows me would. It was my first time debating with a liberal, and her and her mother are both so liberal they put Obama to shame. There's really no point in trying to get them to "see the light." :O)

yes, my "friend" from LA deleted me as a friend because I became a "fan" of traditional marriage. She wrote in block letters on wall how upset she was with me. She hoped that my daughter would turn out to be a lesbian. Thankfully, I had two friends that backed me up (they were liberal as well, but stated that I had the right to believe in what I believe). Very true! I have thought of cancelling my account as well.

I just don't argue about it with my friends. We know we disagree and just don't talk about it. I pray for them and our country everyday. In the end I don't want to alienate them because when there is a window of opportunity to pull them back to the conservative side I want to be able to sieze the moment.

I understand where you are comimg from. I think we just have to sympathize with the fact that these people felt neglected and overlooked for 8years. And even if Obama isnt the right man for the job Bush most certainly was not and has screwed up this party and belief in the Republican party. Instead of blaming them and getting hostile i tell them you are absolutely right in feeling like you needed to vote for Obama. Bush let you down and I understand. Then little by little i throw in casual republican views and its a lot less hostile. You should try it. Oh and by the way even though I am black and republican (i know we are far and few in between, my dad was in the military and raised me rupublican and i never looked back) but just to give you a little side advice, I am not sure exactly what your race is but it is never in a white person best intrest to accuse any minority of "playing the race card". I think Obama is a very charismatic guy, very likable, do i think he should be president....no, but its about policy, not anything personal. I dont believe he has once played the race card and if he brought up anything about race its b/c the media brought it up or it was brought to him. Lets not forget that even though people want him deemed the first black president he is very mcuh so white also and white america needs to accept tha as well and get over it. But dont bring up the race card thing b/c you will always come out looking like a racist.

First start by laughing. Go to www.glennbeck.com, or RushLimbaugh.com and enjoy a few laughs at their expense. Secondly, arm yourself with enough facts to make their head spin. (Shouldn't be hard- Libs hate facts- they thrive on emotion and the hippie "feel good" crap) Post a few good links on your page...maybe a good quote on your status. Don't cower to these imbecils. The president works for YOU- not the other way around- YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE! In fact, it is your duty as an American to question those in power and make sure that they represent the PEOPLE of our country. Looks like Obama represents his own communist agenda- we know it, and soon your "friends" will know it as well. Remember- Libs are all for taking away YOUR money and giving it to everyone else- just wait until that theory hits THEIR pocketbook and suddenly they are broke and suffering at the hands of the idiots they have elected. Your friends might think abortion is a good option- until they are forced to pay for abortions for people in both our country and others. Seriously- check out Glenn Beck and his "We Surround Them" stuff. You will feel much better- and I'm sure you will find some fun link or comment for your page to put their panties in a knot.

They don't care about anyones rights but their own. To be a christian and a republican in this world is to be vilified! My sister is a teacher and she has to be careful because she is afraid she would lose her job. It has always been that way for her. They talk of tolerance but it is only one sided, and don't get me going on the gay marriage issue! That is so about money, there are plenty of states that would sanction their cival union (ugh) but that joining is not good enough. They want marriage that allows them social security benefits from their partner, they want the insurance, etc. They try to say it is about access when they are sick or dying or inheritance issues! Give me a break, any tow bit lawyer can draw up paperwork that can protect you in both of those circumstances. When it comes down to it they want money and for all of us non gay people to say yeah, your life style is okay. I love this country but I do not like who we are becoming. The farther we get from god the worse we become.

Have you ever wondered why Liberals attend church? Kinda weird, since they believe in abortion and slam anything connected with God or Christianity!!

I often wonder the same thing. It seems like everything they do is a slap in the face to god. I think they have lost all respect for people who disagree with them, yet they proclaim to be about tolerance, human rights, etc..... but if you disagree with them they attack. For example, I heard that the gays in California have now made maps to peoples homes who supported the passing of prop 8. I mean that is flat out harrasing, if it were reversed I think they all would be thrown in jail being charged for hate crimes. I am getting so frustrated and angry over these minority groups who say they want rights, but in the end it takes the majority of the peoples rights away.

Hi!, I haven't had any trouble on FB because I haven't put much out there on the issue. I work in an Emergency room and it was interesting at election time how many of my co workers assumed that I would be pro Obama because I am a single parent! Many were plesantly surprised to find me a Republican! I found this amusing and surprising because I am very outspoken about my beliefs and feelings. And NO you cannot rationalize with a liberal, they really believe that it is all about how they are "feeling" about a situation. I really do view a lot of Democrats with a lack of deeper intelligence. Not that they are stupid but that they can't get their head around the bigger problem of an issue. Homelessness, hmmmmm, who was it that shut down all of the long term mental health facilities? I see it on a weekly basis, people who are incapable of managing a day to day exhistance because of mental illness but unless they commit a crime or threaten to kill themselves there is NOWHERE for them to go but back on the street. How about the people on medicaid that will show up in the ER 20 minutes before Urgent Care opens with an earache and want to be seen NOW instead of waiting because hey, it's no skin off their nose that it costs 1000.00 dollars for ER and 100.00 for Urgent Care! You do not appreciate what you do not work for! I'm sorry to go off on a tangent here but geeze there are so many problems with the programs we already have in place and now Obama wants to add more to these social programs. HA, I CAN'T AFFORD IT! Thanks for giving me a podium for a minute.

Just a little update: I defriended the person who prompted me to start this thread after being told to "enjoy my hate" when I said that terrorists were bad people. He wants to hug them and give them a cookie and said that AMERICANS were the terrorists. Just to aggravate him, my best friend posted a picture of Obama smoking on her wall. He immediately asked what the point of it was and she said "I'm just posting a picture of the President" (HAHA!). He said it was taken before Obama was in office. I jumped in and asked him if we're going to stop hearing about Bush's DWI now since that was before he was President and all. Shockingly, I didn't get a response :D

I have, I must confess. Most of my liberal friends just ignore anything I post from Fox or Limbaugh's webpages, and I ignore their artsy pictures of Obama morphed into Abe Lincoln (gag). Or even try to say something positive like, "Oh, that's so creative." lol. But lately two of my in-laws (husband's sister and her husband) have just not let anything alone! I posted a quote by Abe Lincoln that had to do with encouraging people to READ! They made it political about how Pres. Obama is Abe Lincoln. B.S.! W. Bush was more like Abe Lincoln: they share the commonality of an unpopular war and unwavering principles. So I tried to express that, but one or the other of them kept on posting stuff straight out of the New York Times rag about the war. So I had my friend who is a captain in the army in Afghanistan post about what the war is really about, and they still thought they knew better than him.

In the end, they decided I was crazy and rude because I said I used to think more liberally in high school before I embraced values like personal responsibility and integrity. I don't see how that's diff from her saying that she was conservative until she "saw the light". But no patience for the opposition--just personal attacks. It's ridiculous. I haven't had fights with ANY of my other friends, and yet they want me to believe that it's my fault we fight. So we've all deleted each other on FB. It's just not worth the aggravation to talk to people who wish they lived in France (seriously, they are infatuated with both France and socialism). In the end, they try to make you feel like you are crazy or stupid or both. It can't be about principles because they know deep down that they would totally lose.

Facebook is a revolution! When I first started, I couldn't believe how great it was to get into touch with my past! No other generation has ever experienced this, we can find anyone and everyone. Just think of a name and whatever happened to them...whoops, there they are! The only thing that just mistifies me, though, is just how much everyone has changed! I think pretty much everyone here is about my age (I will be 30 in three weeks), so we can really see a contrast in what these same people were like when we were kids and how they are now. Growing up in the late 80's early 90's in small town America, people had values! It is shocking to see that they have ALL changed! Why? Who knows, probably too much misinfomation (media, internet, social pression). I use facebook to keep in touch with mainly my family (I am far from everyone and only see them once a year), and I admit, but I am addicted at times. I think however that most people who use FB are egotistical and all about what image they present, so the whole liberal-Obama obsession can be explained that way. It's in style and they all pretty much just go with the flow! It's not cool anymore to be conservative.

I have a good friend who is a liberal and a Unitarian Universalist. I have asked her about UU and the conclusion I came to is that it's not a religion or even a church, but more of a community. The only common ground is "respect and tolerance" for each others religious traditions. Seems to me it's a place for people who don't really believe their chosen faith but aren't ready to change to another one.

By the way, she and I have been friends for about 4 years and we've never really discussed religion (aside from my UU questions), but the other day I told her why I couldn't vote for Barack Obama. (Primarily his pro-abortion stance, but other reasons as well.) She told me that abortions actually went up during the Bush admin. I told her, no, they didn't, and I was able to show her actual statistics. We had a very productive and interesting conversation about abortion and I think she was educated a bit. Hopefully she might start actually investigating the claims that the pro-choice movement makes, instead of just accepting them. She started to see how the restrictions on abortion actually do reduce the number of abortions.

I think her "tolerance" training in the UU church served her well by actually listening to what I was saying and allowing her opinion to be influenced...

Gosh Yes, The other day I posted on a friends wall and a liberal had something to say about she and I. We went back and forth for a bit but it eventually got to the point when she could not longer dispute.

I read that article, Donna, and I felt sick to my stomach! Can you believe the government wants to go so far as to basically strip parents of the right and ability to parent their children! The ramifications of such legislation are astounding. Goodbye national and parental sovereignty. Hello total control of virtually every aspect of our lives. What does that sound like? Communism/socialism. Red China/Soviet Union.

One thing I have learned about liberals is that if you don't think the way they do they call you a right wing republican and then go on their rants about how everything is bushs fault and that he's the worst thing ever to happen to this country.. Honestly I think they don't know a lot about most presidents to have made that assumption and in my book Bush did a good job. I've been lucky to have a family who sees things the way I do.. maybe it was my upbringing who knows lol. I've had to try to explain to my oldest daughter why I voted republican in the elections, her teacher was a die hard liberal and was selling it on her class. After I explained my daughter didn't like Obama. I try so hard to be positive about the current administration since it's what we are stuck with for 4 yrs but so far I see things that are going to cause more harm than do good and I just don't understand the logic behind the arguments anymore.

I have noticed when debating with a liberal, When they can't defend a certain policy they get louder and louder. If you debate on line then they call you stupid or idiot, the best one yet is, if you don't support Obama then your a racist. Not one I have debated can tell me what the change Obama promised is. So my answer to you is No, you can't talk to a liberal about politics. unless you're prepared to be called all kinds of names. Hahaha

Quoting Vershawn:I honestly believe that we are a hair's breath away from religious persecution.

I believe we are too, look at the link below. Sounds to me like you won't be allowed to take your kids to church until they're 18 and old enough to "decide for themselves" if it's something they are interested in!