UberDave:"Look, buddy, your car was upside down when we got here. And as for your Grandma, she shouldn't have mouthed off like that!"

Exactly the reference I was thinking of, especially with excerpts like this:

The groups say they are fighting violence, kidnappings and extortions carried out by drug cartels, but concerns have surfaced that the vigilantes may be violating the law, the human rights of people they detain, or even cooperating with criminals in some cases.

It may have well as ended saying that while graffiti is down 80%, heavy sack beatings are up a shocking 900%. That being said, killing the vigilante's leader is the stuff of amateur hour. They should have found ways to disillusion/scare the actual grunts of the operation instead of making them leaderless and giving them a martyr.

At what point will we formally declare Mexico a failed state? Corruption is everywhere, public officials who cannot be corrupted are killed. There is no free press because journalists who actually report their civil war are killed. Over six years, estimates up to 100,000 dead, 1.6 million displaced refugees. All for an unwinnable drug war.

Can anyone tell me if whatever substance you or your friends favor has seen a jump in price or reduced availability over the last six years? People I know who use have told me no, but that might be because my proximity to the border.

Can anyone tell me if whatever substance you or your friends favor has seen a jump in price or reduced availability over the last six years? People I know who use have told me no, but that might be because my proximity to the border.

Placido said vigilantes had searched a number of homes in the town and seized drugs from some. They turned over the ex-security director and police officers to state prosecutors, who agreed to investigate their alleged ties to organized crime.

Hrm.

The groups say they are fighting violence, kidnappings and extortions carried out by drug cartels, but concerns have surfaced that the vigilantes may be violating the law, the human rights of people they detain, or even cooperating with criminals in some cases.

Los PePes II: Mexican Boogaloo

violentsalvation:At what point will we formally declare Mexico a failed state? Corruption is everywhere, public officials who cannot be corrupted are killed. There is no free press because journalists who actually report their civil war are killed. Over six years, estimates up to 100,000 dead, 1.6 million displaced refugees. All for an unwinnable drug war.

I am going to Colombia in a few weeks and was reading up on Pablo Escobar and some history of the country. You think Mexico is bad- that nation should have been failed. And yet they have slowly and painfully pulled their way out (thanks to lots of American $$) and are relatively stable.

violentsalvation:Can anyone tell me if whatever substance you or your friends favor has seen a jump in price or reduced availability over the last six years? People I know who use have told me no, but that might be because my proximity to the border.

And from my reading, the prices have still remained mostly stable. But I'm talking Colombia cocaine and cannabis.

Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

Mikey1969:Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

I wish them the best of luck. Of course if the police really were in the pocket of the cartels and this vigilantes are successfully interdicting criminal activity, they'll all be killed by cartel enforcers trucked in for the occasion.

/or the leadership of the group bought off by the cartels if the cartels aren't feeling up to a bloodbath for some odd reason

could be a ruger 44, i think its because the rifle has an upper cover. ruger 10/22's in the us do not normally come with a cover that goes above the barrel. they do make them though, also the magazine is a bit thin to be 223, 556, maybe a 44. maybe a 22.

Mikey1969:Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

Members of the area's self-described "community police" say more than 1,500 members of the force were stopping traffic Wednesday at improvised checkpoints in the town of Tierra Colorado, which sits on the highway connecting Mexico City to Acapulco.

1,500? That's about two battalions. That's not a gang, that's an effing army.

It wasn't just the drug war. We share the blame for allowing our corporations to close shop and move to Mexico, where they could pay the Mexicans next to nothing and toss them out on their asses when they became too old. It really is disgusting what we have helped do to their country.

Mikey1969:Hundreds of armed vigilantes have taken control of a town on a major highway in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero, arresting local police officers and searching homes after a vigilante leader was killed. Several opened fire on a car of Mexican tourists headed to the beach for Easter week.

spacelord321:It wasn't just the drug war. We share the blame for allowing our corporations to close shop and move to Mexico, where they could pay the Mexicans next to nothing and toss them out on their asses when they became too old. It really is disgusting what we have helped do to their country.

Can you explaoim how more industry and jobs (even if crappy ones) caused rampant violence, police corruption, warlord drug cartels and a near total descent into bloody chaos?

Not defending the companies, but destabilization is counter to their own interests too. I'm, not sure you aren't confusing correlation with causation, so could you please explain how auto factories and manufacturing facilities caused this?

Looks like Mexico has achieved the sort of "anti-government tyranny" situation the NRA types dream about.

BojanglesPaladin:This would have never happened if Mexico had gun control laws./ ....

Mexico does have stricter gun control laws. But thanks to the relaxed gun laws in states like Arizona, Mexican cartels have US citizens purchase arms in the US and then smuggle them across the border. The Mexican President has even publicly stated that the expiration of the US 2004 Assault Weapons Ban is directly linked to the increased violence thanks to assault weapons making their way south of the border. A quick Google can bring up many articles on this.