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Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

Originally Posted by Zyphlin

So will you feel the same way about this if Soros is found to be a contributing member to this group? Soros, major funder of MoveOn.Org (You know, the group that took out a full page ad calling a standing general during war time essentially a traitor) and outspoken extreme liberal activist. Will Michael Wilbon and Kevin Blackenstone write up large articles criticizing him, warning how damaging he'd be having such a "controversial" figure owning a team in the NFL, using false quotes by him because they're ****ty reporters that don't bother researching anything or out of context comments?

Somehow, I'm not expecting that to happen.

The NFL denied Rush but not Soros? That's BS. Soros is a partisan political figure. He should have nothing to do with the NFL.

Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

They were not my talking points, they were sourced quotes from El Rushbo as the article I linked demonstrated.

There is nothing to concede. The organization has already refused Rush's bid. The consequences of his actions have been dealt with already.

Rush's chickens have already come home to roost.

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Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

Originally Posted by Redress

Sharpton and Jackson are idiots, and alot like Rush. They say outrageous things and as such get media time. Why does any one taker anything they say seriously. But they are not at fault here either. They could have said nothing and the end result with this would be the same.

And I'm not saying the result would be different if they did anything. Redress, quote me where I said that. You're putting words in my damn mouth. I said I'm commenting on their hypocracy and the hypocracy of those supporting them.

The difference is if you ask 10 people who Soros is, 1 might no. If you ask 10 people who Rush is, and I doubt any don't know. People don't much care about people they do not know.

Does not matter. Goodell's comment was about someone that stated he was controversial and made "Devisive statements", both of which can be attributed to Soros. Not that he was "well known and did x, y, z" but simply that he's done, and routinely, does them. So does Soros. Maybe he's not as in front of things as Rush is, but he does them. Its not my fault Goodell said what he did, and its not my fault for calling him out on it.

This whole issue has been nothing but exaggeration and overblown rhetoric, and yet was sure to end just as it did, and it's no ones fault but Rush's. I am tired of people playing the victim here. It's not some liberal plot, not the liberal media, it is all Rush's own fault he did not get the team.

Bull**** on that. Its partially Rush's fault but you're absolutely wrong on it being no one elses fault.

Let me ask you this.

If this didn't get leaked to the media, like it shouldn't have by the confidentiality rules of this, do you think Rush would still have been part of the buyers group?

If Kevin Blackenstone and Michael Wilbon and others didn't write articles filled with contextless comments, some of which they've been uneven to even prove is real, which was then reuttered and used as the backbone for most of the complaints by sports talk radio, owners, the commissioner, and players do you think Limbaugh would still be part of the buyers group?

If your answer is "yes" to either of those, then how can you put the blame fully on Limbaugh? This is akin to saying the fault is completely on a female for wearing skimpy clothes and walking back to her car, parked near an alley, alone from a club one night if she gets raped.

I am not saying Limbaugh is an innocent angel in this. Stop trying to put words in my mouth through your implications. I'm not saying Limbaugh is blameless. But you're ludicrous to be sitting here and telling me that this situation would play out like it has if someone didn't wrongfully leak that he was a member of this group, and then if these stories citing false quotes and without context quotes that provided the foundation for most players and owners complaints wasn't put out.

Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

They were not my talking points, they were sourced quotes from El Rushbo as the article I linked demonstrated.

There is nothing to concede. The organization has already refused Rush's bid. The consequences of his actions have been dealt with already.

Rush's chickens have already come home to roost.

....you've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Do you know what "sourcing" is.

To say that you the article "Sourced" them from Rush Limbaugh then they would need to denote when they were said, with some ability to actually go check that. They don't.

Jesus Christ, tell me you never went to college or else you'd never make it through any class that actually required sources.

I can't say "Obama said he had homo sex and smoked crack" and then when you ask me for a souce say "Obama's my source" and expect you to consider that freaking credible because that's not sourcing.

Sourcing would be saying "On his show on november 13th, 1991, Rush Limbaugh stated [x]". This way, people could actually go and try and find transcripts or copies of said show and actually check to see if the person is full of **** or not.

Instead this person took quotes other people have stated Limbaugh read, with absolutely NO research done and NO fact checking done and NO attempt to actually get it right, and just state it as if its fact that he says it. And now, when Limbaugh says its not true, he never said it, you're saying its on HIM to prove its wrong?

Do you also think its incumbant upon Obama to do everything and anything the birthers say to prove their wrong, since they're the ones making the ludicrous claims and he's denied it so obviously its on HIM to prove it

Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

Rush informed the guy in charge of the group months ago that hell would be raised about his participation. Apparently he told Rush he had already greased the skids, but now it's obvious he didn't use enough grease.

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Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

That was just one of the sources, but it matters not whether you can accept it or not. Rush's punishment has already been dealt. His chickens have already come home to roost.

Rush has already reaped what he sowed.

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

Originally Posted by Zyphlin

And I'm not saying the result would be different if they did anything. Redress, quote me where I said that. You're putting words in my damn mouth. I said I'm commenting on their hypocracy and the hypocracy of those supporting them.

I did not make any claims about you there, so calm down. I made claims about the situation in a reply to you. Yes, they are hypocritical, and I was critical of them when they supported Vick. I just don't think they are important enough or worthwhile enough to get upset about. They are classic fringe element loonies that we would best ignore, since they have little to no real ability to affect anything.

Does not matter. Goodell's comment was about someone that stated he was controversial and made "Devisive statements", both of which can be attributed to Soros. Not that he was "well known and did x, y, z" but simply that he's done, and routinely, does them. So does Soros. Maybe he's not as in front of things as Rush is, but he does them. Its not my fault Goodell said what he did, and its not my fault for calling him out on it.

It does matter. Some of what I say is controversial, but no one would care if I tried to buy a football team since no one knows who I am or what I said. Soros has the defense of anonymity.

Bull**** on that. Its partially Rush's fault but you're absolutely wrong on it being no one elses fault.

Let me ask you this.

If this didn't get leaked to the media, like it shouldn't have by the confidentiality rules of this, do you think Rush would still have been part of the buyers group?

If Kevin Blackenstone and Michael Wilbon and others didn't write articles filled with contextless comments, some of which they've been uneven to even prove is real, which was then reuttered and used as the backbone for most of the complaints by sports talk radio, owners, the commissioner, and players do you think Limbaugh would still be part of the buyers group?

If your answer is "yes" to either of those, then how can you put the blame fully on Limbaugh? This is akin to saying the fault is completely on a female for wearing skimpy clothes and walking back to her car, parked near an alley, alone from a club one night if she gets raped.

I am not saying Limbaugh is an innocent angel in this. Stop trying to put words in my mouth through your implications. I'm not saying Limbaugh is blameless. But you're ludicrous to be sitting here and telling me that this situation would play out like it has if someone didn't wrongfully leak that he was a member of this group, and then if these stories citing false quotes and without context quotes that provided the foundation for most players and owners complaints wasn't put out.

Once Rush's name came out, it was inevitable that this would happen. Rush has made a career out of pissing people off and saying outrageous things, and Rush has been incredibly successful doing so, so he is a household name with every one having an opinion on him, and as such is pretty divisive. All the other stuff was just fuel to the fire that was already there, and already made the result inevitable.

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Re: Sharpton, Jackson Attack Limbaugh's Rams Bid

Originally Posted by Redress

I did not make any claims about you there, so calm down. I made claims about the situation in a reply to you. Yes, they are hypocritical, and I was critical of them when they supported Vick. I just don't think they are important enough or worthwhile enough to get upset about. They are classic fringe element loonies that we would best ignore, since they have little to no real ability to affect anything.

It does matter. Some of what I say is controversial, but no one would care if I tried to buy a football team since no one knows who I am or what I said. Soros has the defense of anonymity.

Once Rush's name came out, it was inevitable that this would happen. Rush has made a career out of pissing people off and saying outrageous things, and Rush has been incredibly successful doing so, so he is a household name with every one having an opinion on him, and as such is pretty divisive. All the other stuff was just fuel to the fire that was already there, and already made the result inevitable.

Everyone knows Soros is behind Moveon.org

"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
"Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.