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Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Ikari

It's true, Engineers are highly educated researchers who know what they are doing. Not everyone is cut out to be an engineer. I tutored a lot of engineers, it was very easy to separate the good from the bad.

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

You don't understand. I'm saying that trade schools will retain their brick and mortar, as will labs. For everything else, the overhead is just too expensive.

I pity you. You're like the factory worker who doesn't want to believe his job is getting shipped to China, that the company he works for would never move a factory overseas in the name of cost cutting.

Universities are no different from corporations - they follow the golden rule. As technology allows them to cut costs and increase revenues, they will hop aboard that train faster than you can say "cog" one more time.

I think there is one point missing, the Higher Education coordinating boards, that accredit universities
have requirements that only physical locals can satisfy, Library collections, Subject specific PHd's,
Lab Setups, Ect..
The point is the content may be delivered through many methods, but the degree will still
be conferred through a regular University.
One funny point, the requirements at the graduate level are more flexible than at the undergrad level.
That is one of the reasons that the first remote degrees were Masters.

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

Engineers are great. We don't have enough of them in this country.

That is a true statement. I like Engineers, very bright and motivated individuals. They do some fantastic research as well. But the tried and true Engineer could not complete their degree solely online.

You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville

"I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

You don't understand. I'm saying that trade schools will retain their brick and mortar, as will labs. For everything else, the overhead is just too expensive.

I pity you. You're like the factory worker who doesn't want to believe his job is getting shipped to China, that the company he works for would never move a factory overseas in the name of cost cutting.

Universities are no different from corporations - they follow the golden rule. As technology allows them to cut costs and increase revenues, they will hop aboard that train faster than you can say "cog" one more time.

No, YOU don't understand. You don't understand that Universities are indeed different than corporations and the point of the University in general.

You will not end the lecture hall in Academia, you'll just subsidize less academic subjects with online classes. The University will continue, and will continue with lectures. There are certain avenues of higher learning that must go through Academia proper. A PhD in physics cannot be earned online.

You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville

"I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Ikari

No, YOU don't understand. You don't understand that Universities are indeed different than corporations and the point of the University in general.

You will not end the lecture hall in Academia, you'll just subsidize less academic subjects with online classes. The University will continue, and will continue with lectures. There are certain avenues of higher learning that must go through Academia proper. A PhD in physics cannot be earned online.

Spoken like a true stick in the mud. The times they are a'changing. The internet is a genie you can't put back in the bottle.

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Ikari

That is a true statement. I like Engineers, very bright and motivated individuals. They do some fantastic research as well. But the tried and true Engineer could not complete their degree solely online.

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

Mostly online.

Not the real Engineers, sorry. The amount of work, resources, and research necessary for the Engineering degree requires a physical presence. Maybe....maybe you could do the first year of Engineering classes online; after that though it's not feasible while maintaining the necessary level of education required to produce an engineer instead of a cog.

You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville

"I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

Spoken like a true stick in the mud. The times they are a'changing. The internet is a genie you can't put back in the bottle.

It's not a "stick in the mud", it's mere statement of fact. University isn't about pooping out cogs, we have Community College and College for that. University is more than that. And while there will certainly be plenty of online classes, there will be no way to end Academia, it's institutes, nor its lectures.

You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville

"I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

Re: Technology and education

It's true, Engineers are highly educated researchers who know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by Peter Grimm

Engineers are great. We don't have enough of them in this country.

Yes, yes, and yes, gents. Thank you!

But in all seriousness, there's too much hands on experience required for proper engineering to learn off the internet. I happen to have my own electronics lab, but the average student can't afford that.

Originally Posted by LowDown

I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

Re: Technology and education

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Yes, yes, and yes, gents. Thank you!

But in all seriousness, there's too much hands on experience required for proper engineering to learn off the internet. I happen to have my own electronics lab, but the average student can't afford that.

That's exactly the point. I have known a wide array of Engineers, Engineering being tied closely to Physics, the research and study is intense and requires hands on experience. Art falls into this as well. You can paint a picture at home, but how many have kilns, or the industrial machinery required for certain forms of sculpting? Philosophy flourishes from the academic environment as well and benefits from on campus interaction. The hardcore academic subjects require an academic presence; online alone cannot cut it. Online can go well with cookie-cutter or cog type education, but engineering isn't of that category. Engineers have to think.

You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville

"I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."