Whether he's in the top 50 or 60, there have been thousands of total players in the NBA & ABA. You guys are probably arguing whether he's in the top 0.5% or 1% of all time amongst the best of the best. At his best there's no one he couldn't outplay in a game. He's made the ASG 10 times and won a ring. Will be in the Hall of Fame. It's been an awesome career regardless.

Exactly. Player rankings are kind of silly anyway, but the differences we are talking about are marginal at this level. You could probably reorder all of the players between 60 and 30 in any combination and still have a pretty reliable all-time list.