<div dir="ltr">This kitchen cannot be restored to healthy status without demolition of the island. Whether and how that island is restored is according do the do-ocratic ways of Noisebridge, up to the people who do the building. I know you did much to keep the kitchen afloat cleaningwise, and that will factor into my personal commitments to build kitchen infrastructure. The new kitchen will be designed to be easier to clean and harder to make dirty. <div>
<br></div><div>As I said to another concerned food hacker: "W<span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">e need to have strong commitments from the people who want to have a big kitchen, to clean up after the general population on a regular basis. It's unfair to demand infrastructure that creates a burden from a community and to expect people who do not benefit from that infrastructure to absorb that burden. This is why people are hating on food hackers."</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">On a related note, expect any infrastructure I contribute towards to be on the theme of </font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><i>sci-fi kitchen 4004+ of the </i></span><i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">future</i><font face="arial, sans-serif">. It will not look like any kitchen existing in the world at this time, unless you are watching a sci-fi movie. It will contain novel technologies that will be evaluated for their utility. This reply is not directed towards you but towards all with similar concerns and questions. It is intended to familiarize people with the following ideas from hackerspace culture:</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><div><ul><li>If you want something, build it.</li><li>Consider the impact to your fellow hackers.</li></ul></div><br></font></div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, cynthia lee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cynthia.jeanne.lee@gmail.com" target="_blank">cynthia.jeanne.lee@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I have attended several rebase meetings. There were several people who spoke up about the desirability of keeping an island and we (the ones maintaining the need for an island) expected that the final plan would contain an island made of materials that the group approved after the end of that discussion at that rebase meeting. True, at the last meeting i was the only one asking that the island be maintained but not everyone could make all the meetings.<br>

</div>The persons most interested in tearing down the current kitchen insisted that consensus was not needed for such a change: it is a do-ocracy! I politely and consistently disagreed with this attitude. There is a need for dedicated counterspace.<br>

<br></div>The insect problem is a function of multiple issues. An effort to purchase a large bag of food grade diatomaceous earth was made by Brandon (the same one that there is a current effort to kick out). He waited timely for the Fed Ex delivery only to discover that someone kept turning off the door buzzer manually. For various reasons, he did not have an ID that Fed Ex would accept so he could pick it up in person.This is the least toxic (it is food grade....you can eat the damned stuff) product that can be used for crawling insects but needs to be used generously and frequently. Insects have not, so far, evolved to render the DE pointless unlike chemical products (which are harmful to humans). Any kitchen design can be over run by insects without a product like DE and especially while persons using the kitchen refuse to even minimally clean up. Brandon's generosity in purchasing this item was never acknowledged. It would be conspiracy theory to suggest someone intentionally, instead of thoughtlessly, obstructed delivery access to the space since FedEx deliveries happen.<br>

<br><div>I believe that the reason people do not want a kitchen is to discourage those who frequent the space and cook from time to time. True, it is not excellent to live in the space however, the value of regular volunteers who keep an eye out for miscreants and thefts should not be discounted, even if they keep extended hours and occasionally nap. I hope people keep in mind that even Tesla was homeless and dug ditches for income after being shafted by the people who contracted for him to come to America. Lots of people with experience and advanced degrees are out of work currently. Why make the space uncomfortable for them to come and hang out and network?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">