I just CANNOT play a shooter on a console or PC without using Inverted axis. Up has to be Up for me...what about you?

wait a minute...if you play where "Up is Up," then you're not really inverted. with inverted axis, you move the control up to look down, like flying an airplane. "normal" would be moving the stick/mouse up and looking toward the sky. the difference does get confused sometimes because not all games go the same way by default, and the typical option to switch is "Invert Axis" regardless of which way you're switching.

that said, i can only play inverted...move the mouse of stick forward and i want to be looking at the ground. my mind is so stuck that way that i really have a hard time if i have to switch. it could very well come from all those years of playing flight sims before FPS games were available...

Personally, I like things to make sense... I like my viewpoint to do what I'm telling it to do. Thus, if I move my stick up, I expect my viewpoint to look in the corresponding direction.

As an interesting anecdote, the only reason airplane controls were inverted was to make it easier for the pilot to pull out of a dive. The first airplanes had the correct orientation... but then people figured out it's much easier to pull a stick towards you then away from you when plummeting towards the earth.

The main justification I hear from people for why in the world they would want their controls to do the opposite of what they're telling them to do is this:

They imagine that the stick is attached to the back of someones head. If you push down on it, it makes the head look up.

To this, I always respond "well, then if you push the stick left, then the head would turn right... so why don't you invert that too". To this, they start to say something, stop, think, and say "Well that wouldn't make sense! Why would I want pushing the stick left make my view turn right?!?". Which was exactly my point about their argument.

Yeah I think we need to make sure our terms are correct:Normal = Up is up, down is downInverted = Aircraft style controls

That's how I usually see games label them anyway, but I am convinced more people play inverted than normal.

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always inverted - to tell ya the truth i thought i was in the minority cause most games dont default to inverted - but at least by this poll its 3:2 huh? i use it cause of flyin hehehe so never readjusted and for whatever reason always seemed more comfortable

I think it's exceedingly stupid to assume your way is "right" and the other "wrong," much like I think it's exceedingly stupid and lame to attempt to make logical arguments for or against what is ultimately a matter of preference and nothing more (yes, I'm looking at you, flyinj).

In short, some people experienced inverted and it stuck/felt right, some people experienced normal and it stuck/felt right.

I think it's exceedingly stupid to assume your way is "right" and the other "wrong," much like I think it's exceedingly stupid and lame to attempt to make logical arguments for or against what is ultimately a matter of preference and nothing more

I'm going to snip this and hang onto it. Never know when a little "evidence" might be useful.

I think it's exceedingly stupid to assume your way is "right" and the other "wrong," much like I think it's exceedingly stupid and lame to attempt to make logical arguments for or against what is ultimately a matter of preference and nothing more

I'm going to snip this and hang onto it. Never know when a little "evidence" might be useful.

Bah. I didn't express the thought in my head very well at all, did I?

I think controls are one of those physical things that are just stupid to fight over -- like right-handed people mocking left-handed people, or left-handed people getting all self-righteous and pretending they're more 'artistic' or something from right-handed people.

That's all I meant, really. But that quote's going to haunt me regardless of what I say. :wink:

I got into gaming with MechWarrior 2 and a handful of flight sims. Inverted all the way.

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it's strange, I play Flight Sims on the computer more than any other type of "game", which of course has inverted axis'. But when it comes to fps games it must be on Normal for me.

that's funny, Interloper - since i was just going to say - "i don't get it - i've never played flight sims, but as soon as i stepped into the control-setting gizmo on my first FPS (Halo) - it was inverted all the way - just came naturally to me."

don't tell me Lord Ebonstone is right :shock: (well, the second time he weighed in - not the snippet that warning will bribe him with someday!) oh, my... :lol:

and warning, dammit! it makes me hurt to laugh so hard:

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That said, inverted controls make baby Jesus cry.

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I think I'm inverted, but after reading through this thread I'm no longer sure :?

All I know is: pull the stick/mouse back and I better be climbing/looking up. Push it forward and I better be looking down/diving.

Otherwise my Universe makes no sense..., or less sense.

you are one of the "inverted" phormio...welcome to the club!

Thanks for puting my mind at ease disarm. That sounds about right. I never played that may space/flight sims, but that has always seemed more "natural", especially in FP games (shooters or RPGs - played a lot of those). Anyway I've voted now.

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Seriously if I didnt know disarm was as good at UT as he is, kI would lump all you inverts into the inferior category. it was always my experience in college taht the inverted members of our gaming clans were worse than the regulars!

i don't know enough about PC gaming to know, but i'm wondering how there could be an inverted control with a mouse/ keyboard, or is everyone talking about a gamepad?

also, for the record - i play inverted, and i kick no one's ass on Halo (well, almost no one... there are some :roll: ) - however, the best player i know - who we all play against, at once, btw - plays inverted. so there!

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