Yeah, can we move off the Malak/Pinarello thing. Both of them are ugly. Malak didn't copy off of Pinarello. And Pinarello didn't copy off Malak. The factory already had the design long before Pinarello decided to license it for its use. Pinarello was not the first to ever do a curvy fork or seatstays. I'm sure Hetchins in the UK would agree with that.

And one other thing. The Specialized girl in the photo is better looking than the Malak girl. Both are attractive, but I'm just saying since the original poster thought the Malak girl was the hottest girl at the show. It was probably because she had less clothes on. That seems to make a difference.

That's the real deal without paint from the factory that made them. Not a knockoff. No idea though how someone was able to get these frames for resale though. If I had to guess I would say that there are some factory workers that are probably trying to make a few extra bucks involved.

a chinese knock off of copy a BMC frame (guess srl01) was said to be presented and the show

Am I the only one that laughed at the 'report suspicious activity' link below the photo of the BMC knock-off?

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Really, really poor design by Wilier on the drive-side chainstay cable exit point of the rear shift cable. The exit point should be at the top or back of the chainstay, not below it. Look at it. The cable interferes with fast wheel changes.

Not saying you're wrong but I note it's an electronic group and that's just a control cable on quite a short run. Maybe the electronic cables being thinner and more flexible give designers more scope for variation. On another note, I was looking at a UI2 bike the other day and the cable into the rear mech seemed worryingly thin and flexible. Are these cables prone to damage in the real world or is that a groundless worry?

Really, really poor design by Wilier on the drive-side chainstay cable exit point of the rear shift cable. The exit point should be at the top or back of the chainstay, not below it. Look at it. The cable interferes with fast wheel changes.

Not saying you're wrong but I note it's an electronic group and that's just a control cable on quite a short run. Maybe the electronic cables being thinner and more flexible give designers more scope for variation. On another note, I was looking at a UI2 bike the other day and the cable into the rear mech seemed worryingly thin and flexible. Are these cables prone to damage in the real world or is that a groundless worry?

Electronic rear shift wire still gets in the way of a wheel change when the cable exit point is below the rear chainstay. Its all about making fast wheel changes. That's why most other companies have moved the cable exit point to above the chainstay or at the back of the chainstay leaving an unobstructed path for the wheel to travel in and out of the dropouts. Stupid Wilier design on that particular frame.

Yeah, can we move off the Malak/Pinarello thing. Both of them are ugly. Malak didn't copy off of Pinarello. And Pinarello didn't copy off Malak. The factory already had the design long before Pinarello decided to license it for its use.

Is there any topic about which you haven't formed a factually incorrect opinion yet?

Yeah, can we move off the Malak/Pinarello thing. Both of them are ugly. Malak didn't copy off of Pinarello. And Pinarello didn't copy off Malak. The factory already had the design long before Pinarello decided to license it for its use.

Is there any topic about which you haven't formed a factually incorrect opinion yet?

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