DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

So 40. Out of the tens of thousands of biological researchers and students in the world, 40 show some skepticism. More than half of those work at evangelical colleges like Biola U. Now, I don't know if you have studied Biola U, but the professors there don't need to have graduated from college. For example, Paul Kuld, who started teaching at Biola in '69, is still teaching there and has never gone to College. I could go through like to every one of your list, but in general they are crackpots and liars, not biologists.

What would Wolverine do?He'd team up with a teenage girl and go kill bad guys.

DoomYoshi wrote:So 40. Out of the tens of thousands of biological researchers and students in the world, 40 show some skepticism. More than half of those work at evangelical colleges like Biola U. Now, I don't know if you have studied Biola U, but the professors there don't need to have graduated from college. For example, Paul Kuld, who started teaching at Biola in '69, is still teaching there and has never gone to College. I could go through like to every one of your list, but in general they are crackpots and liars, not biologists.

Your childish idea that no Christian can be a biologist is as absurd as the idea that no one has any right to disagree with your beliefs.

"Mommy, where did we come from?"

"Well son many billions and billions and billions of years ago there was a giant explosion. And then a few billion years later life spontaneously generated from a bowl of soup. I'm sorry son, I meant to say abiogenesis started from some chemical reaction that accidently formed from dead matter and eventually the many millions of species of animals, flowers, trees and everything you see around us developed randomly."

"But Mommy, how do you know this?"

"Because it is a fact and anybody who doesn't believe that is a hater."

Also, how in the f*ck should be people be allowed to hold damaging "opinions"? This form of cultural relativism that you are promoting would suggest that if I don't believe murder is a crime, I am allowed to kill people. The truth is bad ideas actually are toxic to mentality. As a citizen of this planet, it is my moral obligation to stamp out harmful ideas.

A perfect example is provided by Charles Murray in Coming Apart, where he proves that us conservatives are right. Since 1960 as lower class America has abandoned traditional values, they have become even poorer. While it may not be politically correct to force people into Man and Women marriage, it's certainly to their benefit if we as a society shun homosexuals, those with loose morals and divorcees. We need to, as a society, stamp out the idea that a lax moral code is OK.

Likewise, we need to stamp out your dipshit idea that evolution is false, as it has tangible negative effects for your own health and for my society.

What would Wolverine do?He'd team up with a teenage girl and go kill bad guys.

DoomYoshi wrote:...As a citizen of this planet, it is my moral obligation to stamp out harmful ideas.

...While it may not be politically correct to force people into Man and Women marriage, it's certainly to their benefit if we as a society shun homosexuals, those with loose morals and divorcees. We need to, as a society, stamp out the idea that a lax moral code is OK..

As a citizen of this planet, it is my moral obligation to stamp out harmful ideas.

DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

premio53 wrote: The reason there is no compromise is because evolutionism and creationism are diametrically opposed. Many biologists believe evolution is nothing but junk science and if you don't wish for anyone to oppose your ideas quit starting threads and then spewing your vile hatred towards those who would dare disagree. In other words deal with it.

This is utterly untrue. In fact, evolution has nothing at all to do with the initial creation... just one of the many lies you have been taught.

At any rate, if you had read the OP, the entire premise is yet another book about why people should hate Jews and why all westerners are effectively Jews... thus giving reason to attack all westerners.

Hardly a position of logic, but ideas worth being aware of because other people DO believe it. (which is why most of us are pretty well versed in Creationism, though you have yet to show any kind of understanding of evolution at all!).

A letter I wrote to swimmer, who was having difficulty with why I call Creationist's a hate group:One of the following two statements is true:

A) The Christian tradition started sometime around the birth of Christ, and culminated with Ephesians, the most important/influential letter written in the history of the Earth.

B) The Christian tradition started sometime after Gutenberg invented the Printing Press, and culminated when it became acceptable for people with no academic training to publish anything that they felt like, no matter how fanciful or false.

Tradition A is the tradition of Paul's Church. It includes St. Augustine, St. Francis of Assissi, Thomas Aquinas. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of Christ.

Tradition B is the tradition of Creationism. It includes the Klu Klux Klan, Nazis of Germany and Joel Olsteen. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of: "lie to people and steal their money".

One of these is the Christian tradition. One is not. One calls itself Christianity, even though there is no basis for any such claim. Why would millions of people call themselves Christians even though they aren't? Some (like Olsteen) do it to make money. Some do it because they are too non-academic to study history. Some are working for Satan and are specifically doing it to shame true Christians.

Another famous example of people not of a religion pretending to be in it: "Innocence of Muslims"

Just as that movie was created to shame Muslims unfairly, Creationism was created to shame Christians unfairly. Therefore, all Creationists are part of a Hate Group if they profess to be Christians.

By the way, continue looking for a Biblical literalist before 1700. I would be interested if you can find one.

DoomYoshi wrote:A letter I wrote to swimmer, who was having difficulty with why I call Creationist's a hate group:One of the following two statements is true:

A) The Christian tradition started sometime around the birth of Christ, and culminated with Ephesians, the most important/influential letter written in the history of the Earth.

B) The Christian tradition started sometime after Gutenberg invented the Printing Press, and culminated when it became acceptable for people with no academic training to publish anything that they felt like, no matter how fanciful or false.

Tradition A is the tradition of Paul's Church. It includes St. Augustine, St. Francis of Assissi, Thomas Aquinas. It is a tradition which follows the teachings of Christ.

Tradition B is the tradition of Creationism. It includes the Klu Klux Klan, Nazis of Germany and Joel Olsteen.

Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.

GeneralRisk wrote:Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.

DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

GeneralRisk wrote:Am I missing something? What does any of this have to do with Jews? I was raised Roman Catholic, I do not go to church. My future ex wife is a Jew. My 3 young children are being raised as Jews. I have no problem with this. I hope there is a God, but I seriously doubt it. In times of crisis I still pray to God. I think the 10 commandments are basically a good thing and more than likely helped to civilize the world. I do not pretend to have the answers as to what religion is the true religion. Although I believe that evolution is more plausible, there is some evidence that points to creationism........................................................... That said, here is a video that sent chills down my spine.

I must say it was hard reading the subtitles and stare at her tits at the same time. Exquisite!

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DoomYoshi wrote:define "many". Also, how "many" of these "many" biologists are being honest? None. It is a fact that creationists, after swearing on the Bible, and being under oath either lie or retract their statements.

"I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

swimmerdude99 wrote:So another question for you DoomYoshi... what exactly IS Christianity? do you believe the Bible?

This isn't about belief. By framing it in terms of belief, I could say anything I want. I could say: "I believe Jesus told me to go rape little boys" and go do that. Or I could say "Jesus told me to burn Jews in an Oven" and then go and do that. By making this about some vacuous concept such as "belief" all validity is destroyed. It has to be about fact.

And the fact is that the Bible is not inerrant or infaillable. It features errors, contradictions and evidence of vandalism. However, taken in context and taken non-literally, it does contain a lot of truth.

Taken out of context and literally, it is total bullshit. Interpreted by people who don't have at least a seminary education (cough... Olsteen... hack) they have no idea what the f*ck they are reading. True theologians can't rely on Coles Notes of the Bible. Yet, that is the Southern US tradition.

As an example for why taking something out of context is bad:

"Mommy, where did we come from?"

"Well son many billions and billions and billions of years ago there was a giant explosion. And then a few billion years later life spontaneously generated from a bowl of soup. I'm sorry son, I meant to say abiogenesis started from some chemical reaction that accidently formed from dead matter and eventually the many millions of species of animals, flowers, trees and everything you see around us developed randomly."

"But Mommy, how do you know this?"

"Because it is a fact and anybody who doesn't believe that is a hater."

I now define this to be the quote by which premio is known. Everyone knows that the 4th statement is what he truly believes. Now, we will have a 1700 year discussion about how premio didn't actually mean that, he was responding to a quote that got lost to the ages. He was using sarcasm, or any other literary technique, it doesn't matter. In 1700 years, somebody comes along who doesn't bother to read the previous 1700 years and says: wow, obviously premio believed that. And then a hate group, based on usurping the role of the true understanders of what premio meant would be formed. This is what happened to the Messiah.

Swimmer: Is it a deserving fate of Christ that the most vocal group of his "supporters" actually drag his name through the mud while spitting it both literally and figuratively?

*the literal part comes from Jesus bumper stickers on 4x4 trucks in the commercials

What would Wolverine do?He'd team up with a teenage girl and go kill bad guys.

I went to a small lecture last night at a university here in Hong Kong. The audience was a mixed group, and honestly, I don't know what most of their qualifications were. One was a biology professor, another was a philosophy and religion professor. A couple were PhD grad students, and another guy taught at a secondary school. Two had PhDs in physics. Another worked at the HK Observatory. One guy, oddly enough, worked at a Macau casino. Most of them were old-earth creationists except for one guy who was a young-earth creationist. None of them spouted off hate speech or anything.

Frankly, most of it was over my head, but the focus of the evening was the Big Bang 13.77 million years ago and the expansion of the universe. I should have taken notes.

jaminman wrote:Jews don't "hate" Jesus... We just think you jumped the gun and got the wrong guy.

yeah, most Christians know that.

Sadly, a few still persist who do not.

However, if you had read the OP, it was actually a very racist litteny about how essentially all westerners are haters... followed by a few racist blips by Jews in Israel who basically said anyone not Jewish is racist.

No group is immune from containing idiots, racists and general ignoramous of all types. The thing is to let them spout their hatrred, show it for what it is.. and make it quite clear that they do NOT represent the vast majority.