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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Tim McCarthy's Grimm Dilemma
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>> This from the guy who didn't know what the Grimm Brothers' dictionary was.
>
>Gee, and I thought studying the Holy Roman Empire, the Hansa, the Teutonic
>Knights, etc. were important to learn about Germany. I knew I should have
>started with fairy tails, that way I would be better equipped to deal with
>holohoaxers and their fairy tails.
The Grimm Brothers were *first* two of the greatest linguists of their
time, dimwit.
That they later decided to collect and publish an anthology of fairy
tales which became very famous only speaks to their breadth tho that
interest is related.
Next you'll be telling us that JRR Tolkien only wrote a few books
about Hobbits I suppose. Or that OJ Simpson is famous because of his
movie role in Capricorn One...
You really reveal yourself as a twit with every word you write.
You can't even spell "tales" right, and in this case a spelling flame
seems appropriate, it's about all that's left to say. You're way out
of your league, but your hatred blinds you to that fact.
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Poles say: We have 1,000,000 Jews here now, not 5,000
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Well, you rave as usual and as usual it's nearly impossible to find
your point. You will have to let us into your own little world and
give the rest of us a hint what you are talking about or what you see
in all this.
From: landpost@clark.net [apparently responding to me]
>While looking for Sack's comments, I came across this from the Polish
>Historical Society. Of course, you'll no doubt say that the Polish
>Historical Society is "anti-semetic", therefore, they cannot be
>considered. That, of course, is STEP #1.
>
>
>In answer to Uzi Narkuss, a professional Jewish avenger who wants to
>convoke an international tribunal to stage show trials of anti-Holocaust
>historians, David Irving and Robert Faurisson, the Polish Historical
>Society rebuffed his claim that only 5,000 Jews remain in Poland. After
>WWII 750,000 Polish Jews immigrated to Palestine, and another 750,000 went
>West, many to America. Still another 750,000 remained in Communist Poland,
>where they soon monopolized most of the country's top jobs.
>
>Today, the Polish Historical attests, despite what Narkiss claims, Poland
>is the home not of 5,000 but of 1 million Jews, a number that has escaped
>Jewish headcounters in the west because after WW II Polish Jews decided
>that they could greatly improve their lit if they took Slavic names. Such
>Jews include Adam Michnik, Jacek Kurson and Artur Howzan, who are now
>riding high in the present day Polish power structure.
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In-reply-to: landpost@clark.net's message of 31 Aug 1994 23:33:47 GMT
In article landpost@clark.net writes:
>I didn't start this thread, this twit, it's been around longer than I
>have, already. Up yours.
Your sentence generator seems to be faulty.
It seems that the AS is breaking down. That's what you get for leaving
null pointers in the neural network. :)
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Learning German with landpost 1 ( was: Ausrotten etc.
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In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry
Shein) wrote:
> From: uroessl1@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Uwe Roessler) [responding to landpost]
> >>No, Uwe 6,000,000 Jewe, I meant wierd, there is nothing extraordinary
> >>about you.
> > ^^^^^
> >Do you produce these spelling errors intentionally - (I didn't find
> >this word in my dictionary)?
>
> Well, some Anglo-Saxonists, notably Michael Alexander, have adopted
> this spelling of "wierd" to reflect the Anglo-Saxon (ca. 500-1000AD)
> usage of the word meaning fate or destiny in contrast to "weird"
> meaning strange or unusual. In this sense "wierd" is often used as a
> noun, one's "wierd" or fate or circumstance in the world.
>
> I'm sure that's what landpost meant, he's so subtle, such a
> scholar...
>
> Nah...the guy's just a moron.
>
> --
> -Barry Shein
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Is this all that greasy slimeballs like Blarney Shtein have as debating
topics, is to discredit revisionists on the basis of typing errors? I
mean, unreal!
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Poles say: We have 1,000,000 Jews here now, not 5,000
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In article <3437cj$m6i@agate.berkeley.edu>, schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In article ,
> wrote:
> >
> >To: Blarney Shtein
> >
> >While looking for Sack's comments, I came across this from the Polish
> >Historical Society. Of course, you'll no doubt say that the Polish
> >Historical Society is "anti-semetic", therefore, they cannot be
> >considered. That, of course, is STEP #1.
>
> Wrong on three counts. First of all, it was I, not Barry, who asked for
> a reference to Sack's comments. Second, I do not know anything about
> the "Polish Historical Society", so I have no idea whether it's anti-
> Semitic or not; I would assume that it is not until I saw evidenc
> that it was. Third, it's "anti-Semitic" not "anti-Semetic."
>
1. So what? 2. That's too bad. 3. Again, are typos all that's left for the
Holohoaxers??????
> >In answer to Uzi Narkuss, a professional Jewish avenger who wants to
> >convoke an international tribunal to stage show trials of anti-Holocaust
> >historians, David Irving and Robert Faurisson, the Polish Historical
> >Society rebuffed his claim that only 5,000 Jews remain in Poland. After
> >WWII 750,000 Polish Jews immigrated to Palestine, and another 750,000 went
> >West, many to America. Still another 750,000 remained in Communist Poland,
> >where they soon monopolized most of the country's top jobs.
>
> You really don't get it, do you? When I asked for a reference, I meant
> a *reference*. That is, I asked you to give me sufficient information
> that I could go and look it up myself. The figures are obviously suspect
> in any case. I don't think there was a *total* immigration of 750,00
> to Palestine from Europe in the years following World War II (N.B. to
> "Mr. Dictionary": look up the difference bewtween "emigrate" and
> "immigrate"). Anyway, what I have been asking for is for a
> course for these statistics. Assuming that the Polish Historical Society
> didn't make them up, they must have provided a source. And you must
> have a source for your claim such as the name of a book or the
> publication date or whatever. Why is it so tough for you to provide this
> information?
>
1. Yes, I do get it, unfortunately I'm debating with eggheads. 2. Write
the Polish Historical Society. I'm sure you could find their address on
WWW. 3. The figures are not "obviously" suspect. 4. One can look at as
both emi - and immi in this case, and your impressing no-one with this. 5.
They are my source. If you want to go further, write them. What I have
given is a source, which is much more than I ever get from the Holohoaxers
here in alt.revisionism, except from Mr. Roessler from Germany. He will
provide, when asked. 6. You've got balls asking this question!!! See #5.
> >Today, the Polish Historical attests, despite what Narkiss claims, Poland
> >is the home not of 5,000 but of 1 million Jews, a number that has escaped
> >Jewish headcounters in the west because after WW II Polish Jews decided
> >that they could greatly improve their lit if they took Slavic names. Such
> >Jews include Adam Michnik, Jacek Kurson and Artur Howzan, who are now
> >riding high in the present day Polish power structure.
>
> The only place I have seen a claim of 5000 Jews in Poland was at the end
> of "Schindler's List". I had always thought that the total was closer
> to 10-15000.
>
1. Schindler's List, according to the classifiers at the Library of
Congress, is fiction. It is also racist (this is fun, using the old ploy
of the holohoaxers).
> So tell me more about the Polish Historical Society. Who founded it
> and when? Do they have an address to which I can write? Is it
> associated with any universities here or in Poland? Who is its
> current president?
>
Again, see above.
> >It could be, that I remember and quoted from this report, which I've
> >summarized above. I read Sack's book and article around the same time as
> >this article. So, Sack may not have said that 1,000,000 Jews are in
> >Poland, but I know he had something to say about it.
>
> For the third (or is it fourth?) time of asking -- what *exactly* did
> Sack say, and where and to whom did he say it? Either provide a
> source for your claim, or admit that you can't. And if you can't, then
> I hope you'll understand why I don't believe it.
> --
I think this is probably what I read, not from Sack. What stated above,
stands, so you don't have to waste more hard-drive space archiving.
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Poles say: We have 1,000,000 Jews here now, not 5,000
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In article <344gcb$jjl@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> The source "landpost" quotes from is a pack of antisemitic nuts, not
> any historical organization. Nazi-boy Gannon was already humiliated
> here when he quoted their lies, and it's obvious "landpost" is
> keeping this tradition alive.
>
> There are perhaps 50,000 Jews in Poland today. Only a complete nut
> would claim that 750,000 Jews left Poland to Palestine after the
> war; in 1948, there were 600,000 Jews in Palestine, and more than
> half of them were there before WW2.
>
> Just to make sure, one could write the Polish authorities and ask
> them. I believe we have a reader who is posting from Poland. Perhaps
> he will be kind enough to do this?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
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See?
Tim McCarthy
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In article <342qf4$c0s@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> In my humble opinion, there is no use in starting a debate about
> this topic with "landpost". You see, he relies on the report from
> Kube to Lohse, but only on the parts of it he likes; these, he claims
> to be authentic. Other paragraphs - in the *very same report*! - he
> refuses to accept.
>
Actually, I don't rely on it. It is something both Stein and I brought up.
> Obviously there is no sense debating with someone who makes such
> assumptions. This is ridiculous.
Do you call what you and Schlomo and Blarney do "debating"?
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
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I'm going to get the original, be it in microfilm or whatever, if I can
find it. Then, I'm going to make you eat it.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
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In article <342t5u$eck@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> In article wrote:
>
> ["landpost" is trying to explain why he called Joe Slovo "Jew Boy"
> and Nelson Mandela "niggie boy"]
>
> # I wanted to show that Mandela is the ignorant tool of a destructive,
> # leftist movement which he cannot even begin to comprehend. They need a
> # figurehead, therefore, he is their niggie boy.
>
> Got it, folks? And it gets even better (re Slovo):
>
> # Therefore, calling him Jew Boy is a quick
> # way to identify him when trying to deal with about one hundred threads
> # here in alt.revisionism.
>
> I, for one, do not believe a sane person could have written the
> sentence above. A "revisionist scholar", yes; a sane human being, no.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
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Deir Yassin Danny is up to it again. I think this is STEP #4, which is to
try and get the revisionists into long threads, STEP #3 is to get off the
topic quickly as holohoaxers lose when it stays there, and then pull a
tiny piece and take it out of context. This, of course, is how holohoaxers
treat documents, etc.
I continued with something like this:
Black against White crime
With all the hoopla about "political correctness" and "sensitivity for
minorities," it is not surprising that the Justice Dept. report
conspicuously avoids all mention of the race of rapists and their victims.
The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the manner in
which rape is presented in the Justice Dept. report obscures rather than
clarifies the racial element. In listing the 141,000 rapes that were
reported to police in 1992 (an estimated 53% of all rapes, also does not
include rapes in institutional settings i.e. prisons), no mention was made
of the race of victims or rapists. (a magazine that holohoaxers would call
"racist" quoted someone's work with these statistics, which I've posted
already).
Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University,
had to carefully sift through the data to find that in 1987 there were
9,406 reported cases of black rapists and white victims, and fewer than 10
cases of white-on-black rape. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40% of reported
rapes were of whites by blacks. Not one case of white-on-black rape was
uncovered.
From the October 1993 Justice Dept. report, "Highlights (sic) from 20
Years of Surveying Crime Victims," one thing must be remembered, Hispanics
are counted as "white", therefore, there crimes are counted as "white"
(sic) crimes:
- 20% of violent crime was interracial, 15% of which involved white
victims and black criminals.
- Nearly 110 million violent crimes were reported between 1973 and 1992.
It is estimated that 50% of violent crimes go unreported.
- Whites were victims of non-whites in 18% of crimes of violence during
the 19 year period., a total of 19.8 million whites were victimized by
nonwhites, including over 6.5 million who were injured.
- The likelihood of a white being the victim of a violent crime committed
by a non-white is 54 times greater than a non-white being a victim of a
white during a violent crime.
So much for the "it's all black-on-black" crime nonsense.
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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In article , uroessl1@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Uwe
Roessler) wrote:
> landpost@clark.net writes:
>
> >In article , uroessl1@gwdu03.gwdg.de (Uwe
> >Roessler) wrote:
>
> >You are right, Uwe. However, I meant to say: Weil die deutschen Soldaten
> >und SS ritterlich kaempten. This is correct.
> ^
> kaempften
>
>
> >> Here is another source, Mr landpost might find interesting enough
> >> to translate for the general audience.
>
> ...
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >Giving it a quick read, it seems like what it says, nothing more,
nothing less.
> But, what does it say?
My first impression was incorrect. I now think that it is one big lie, and
I will prove it with my answer, which is under construction.
>
>
> >1. Don't act like you pulled this out of an archive, Uwe, by only leaving
> >this as a reference:
>
> If you got this impression, I'd like to apologize.
>
> >>[Schreiben des Ruestungsinspekteurs Ukraine, Generalleutnant Hans
> >> Leykauf an den Chef des Wehrwirtschafts- und Ruestungsamtes im OKW,
> >> General d. Inf. Thomas, vom 2.12. 1941]
> >
> >So, where did you get it? I assume it is from the records of one of the
> >"war crimes trials", but which one, IMT??
>
> I used only an inexpensive paperback, I have on the shelves here:
>
> Gerd R. Uebersch"ar/ Wolfram Wette (Hg.): Der deutsche "Uberfall auf die
> Sowjetunion
>
> (2nd revised + abridged edition) Frankfurt a.M. 1991
>
> The book summarizes the research done on this topic so far,
> and it's still in print - so you might find it useful.
> After all, the word "revisionism" implies that you know,
> what you are up to revise.
>
No, I don't think it's useful.
> There is a section with some documents:
>
> -The first text about the "Einsatzgruppen" is from:
>
Which section is this about Einsatzgruppen?? I see only a letter, then c)
Judenfrage, and then a part named Bevoelkerung.
> "Ereignismeldung UdSSR Nr.128" vom 3.11.1941
> des Reichsicherheitshauptamtes (Berlin)
>
> (BA(Koblenz), R58/215-220, to allow identification)
Where is this part from 3.11.1941? After the letter from Leykauf?
>
> -The letter by General Leykauf is "IMT, Bd.32, S.71-75 (Dok. 3257-PS)"
I figured, and it is an outright fake, not even a forgery. This is really
pathetic. Must I go through this "letter" line by line? If so, repost as I
didn't save it to my harddrive, only print-out.
>
> >2. What are you trying to prove with this, that there was a war on the
> >eastern front, with partisans with many Jews among them?
>
> Rather something else.
Yes, that holohoax lies look less obvious in German than in English.
>
> >3. What part of this do you find the most important, say a couple of
> >paragraphs?
>
> All of them, nothing more, nothing less.
Good, now tell me which is which and repost with each section clearly marked.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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In article , Deaddog
wrote:
> In article ,
> landpost@clark.net writes:
>
> [null]
>
> Tim, melodrama aside, what do you think we'd find if we scoured the
> walls of the gas chambers and used the polymerase chain reaction to
> amplify the residue? How many different restriction fragment
> polymorphisms do you think would be present? A few? Hundreds?
> Thousands? Millions? And since it is likely that only extreme
> volumes of bodily fluids could result in the (excuse the phrase)
> impregnation of the wall with enough DNA to remain 50 years later,
> what would this say about *exactly* what went on in those
> chambers?
>
> The dead may still speak, Tim. And I think they would call you a
> liar.
>
> Non-woof
----------------------------------------------------------
Dead Brain,
What are you talking about Dead Brain? Maybe the LSD hasn't worn off from
Woodstock II yet?
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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Subject: Re: How many revisionists are anti-Semitic?
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In article <3455le$7bf@search01.news.aol.com>, tinggaard@aol.com
(Tinggaard) wrote:
> Lampost, my dear Alzheimers Disease-stricken Idealist...
>
> That was utter nonsense. Do you have ANY evidence to support your claims
> beyond the first two listed under the Leftist heading?
>
> Or are you spinning off into your own little world again?
>
> E.M.
---------------------------------
Black against White crime
With all the hoopla about "political correctness" and "sensitivity for
minorities," it is not surprising that the Justice Dept. report
conspicuously avoids all mention of the race of rapists and their victims.
The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the manner in
which rape is presented in the Justice Dept. report obscures rather than
clarifies the racial element. In listing the 141,000 rapes that were
reported to police in 1992 (an estimated 53% of all rapes, also does not
include rapes in institutional settings i.e. prisons), no mention was made
of the race of victims or rapists. (a magazine that holohoaxers would call
"racist" quoted someone's work with these statistics, which I've posted
already).
Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University,
had to carefully sift through the data to find that in 1987 there were
9,406 reported cases of black rapists and white victims, and fewer than 10
cases of white-on-black rape. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40% of reported
rapes were of whites by blacks. Not one case of white-on-black rape was
uncovered.
From the October 1993 Justice Dept. report, "Highlights (sic) from 20
Years of Surveying Crime Victims," one thing must be remembered, Hispanics
are counted as "white", therefore, there crimes are counted as "white"
(sic) crimes:
- 20% of violent crime was interracial, 15% of which involved white
victims and black criminals.
- Nearly 110 million violent crimes were reported between 1973 and 1992.
It is estimated that 50% of violent crimes go unreported.
- Whites were victims of non-whites in 18% of crimes of violence during
the 19 year period., a total of 19.8 million whites were victimized by
nonwhites, including over 6.5 million who were injured.
- The likelihood of a white being the victim of a violent crime committed
by a non-white is 54 times greater than a non-white being a victim of a
white during a violent crime.
So much for the "it's all black-on-black" crime nonsense.
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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Subject: Re: Landposts's Numbers Don't Add Up (Surprise!)
Date: 2 Sep 1994 00:42:17 GMT
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In article <344ike$6me@agate.berkeley.edu>, schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Richard Schultz) wrote:
In answer to Uzi Narkuss, a professional Jewish avenger who wants to
convoke an international tribunal to stage show trials of anti-Holocaust
historians, David Irving and Robert Faurisson, the Polish Historical
Society rebuffed his claim that only 5,000 Jews remain in Poland. After
WWII 750,000 Polish Jews immigrated to Palestine, and another 750,000 went
West, many to America. Still another 750,000 remained in Communist Poland,
where they soon monopolized most of the country's top jobs.
Today, the Polish Historical Society attests, despite what Narkiss claims,
Poland is the home not of 5,000 but of 1 million Jews, a number that has
escaped Jewish headcounters in the west because after WW II Polish Jews
decided that they could greatly improve their lot if they took Slavic
names. Such Jews include Adam Michnik, Jacek Kurson and Artur Howzan, who
are now riding high in the present day Polish power structure.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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In article <344aai$og1@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
With all the hoopla about "political correctness" and "sensitivity for
minorities," it is not surprising that the Justice Dept. report
conspicuously avoids all mention of the race of rapists and their victims.
The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the manner in
which rape is presented in the Justice Dept. report obscures rather than
clarifies the racial element. In listing the 141,000 rapes that were
reported to police in 1992 (an estimated 53% of all rapes, also does not
include rapes in institutional settings i.e. prisons), no mention was made
of the race of victims or rapists. (a magazine that holohoaxers would call
"racist" quoted someone's work with these statistics, which I've posted
already).
Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University,
had to carefully sift through the data to find that in 1987 there were
9,406 reported cases of black rapists and white victims, and fewer than 10
cases of white-on-black rape. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40% of reported
rapes were of whites by blacks. Not one case of white-on-black rape was
uncovered.
From the October 1993 Justice Dept. report, "Highlights (sic) from 20
Years of Surveying Crime Victims," one thing must be remembered, Hispanics
are counted as "white", therefore, there crimes are counted as "white"
(sic) crimes:
- 20% of violent crime was interracial, 15% of which involved white
victims and black criminals.
- Nearly 110 million violent crimes were reported between 1973 and 1992.
It is estimated that 50% of violent crimes go unreported.
- Whites were victims of non-whites in 18% of crimes of violence during
the 19 year period., a total of 19.8 million whites were victimized by
nonwhites, including over 6.5 million who were injured.
- The likelihood of a white being the victim of a violent crime committed
by a non-white is 54 times greater than a non-white being a victim of a
white during a violent crime.
So much for the "it's all black-on-black" crime nonsense.
landspost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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Subject: Re: Ausrotten
Date: 2 Sep 1994 00:49:59 GMT
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In article <3455a4$76g@search01.news.aol.com>, tinggaard@aol.com
(Tinggaard) wrote:
> In article , charles11@delphi.com writes:
>
> [about the exceedingly intelligent debate over the meaning of AUSROTTEN]
>
> >(German happens to be my native language).
>
> Hey, pal, we dont care WHAT your native language is! The
> Alzheimer-stricken Idealist Tim *Niggie-Boy* McCarthy (lampost, to his
> friends) has already ruled your opinions invalid.
>
> Yeah, it makes no sense to me either, but thats life around here.
>
> E.M.
-------------------------------------------------
With all the hoopla about "political correctness" and "sensitivity for
minorities," it is not surprising that the Justice Dept. report
conspicuously avoids all mention of the race of rapists and their victims.
The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the manner in
which rape is presented in the Justice Dept. report obscures rather than
clarifies the racial element. In listing the 141,000 rapes that were
reported to police in 1992 (an estimated 53% of all rapes, also does not
include rapes in institutional settings i.e. prisons), no mention was made
of the race of victims or rapists. (a magazine that holohoaxers would call
"racist" quoted someone's work with these statistics, which I've posted
already).
Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University,
had to carefully sift through the data to find that in 1987 there were
9,406 reported cases of black rapists and white victims, and fewer than 10
cases of white-on-black rape. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40% of reported
rapes were of whites by blacks. Not one case of white-on-black rape was
uncovered.
From the October 1993 Justice Dept. report, "Highlights (sic) from 20
Years of Surveying Crime Victims," one thing must be remembered, Hispanics
are counted as "white", therefore, there crimes are counted as "white"
(sic) crimes:
- 20% of violent crime was interracial, 15% of which involved white
victims and black criminals.
- Nearly 110 million violent crimes were reported between 1973 and 1992.
It is estimated that 50% of violent crimes go unreported.
- Whites were victims of non-whites in 18% of crimes of violence during
the 19 year period., a total of 19.8 million whites were victimized by
nonwhites, including over 6.5 million who were injured.
- The likelihood of a white being the victim of a violent crime committed
by a non-white is 54 times greater than a non-white being a victim of a
white during a violent crime.
So much for the "it's all black-on-black" crime nonsense.
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
TM
landpost@clark.net
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Two questions for Bradley Smith
Date: 2 Sep 1994 01:03:01 GMT
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>
> So what's answer? I can work in this enviornment because I don't read the
> other stuff and I've got a thick skin, but I imagine that the many,
> perhaps thousands, of lurkers who read alt.revisionism and who have real
> questions and real observations and who really want to find out what's
> going on, will never reveal who they are to us because our behavior here
> is so barbaric and juvenile.
>
> What's the problem with a "moderated" discussion--no bigoted language and
> no personally insulting language allowed?
-------------------------------------
Dear Mr. Smith,
Then the only strategy that the holohoaxers have would be thus rendered
useless, which is to use bigoted, filthy language and the rest of that
bit. They won't debate revisionists in a public forum for a reason, which
has become clear as day after some time here.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Learning German with landpost 1 ( was: Ausrotten etc.
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>Is this all that greasy slimeballs like Blarney Shtein have as debating
>topics, is to discredit revisionists on the basis of typing errors? I
>mean, unreal!
As far as you are concerned, lamppost, there's really nothing else
left.
Just because we disagree doesn't mean you're *not* an idiot.
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From: flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Poles say: We have 1,000,000 Jews here now, not 5,000
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In-reply-to: landpost@clark.net's message of 2 Sep 1994 00:19:17 GMT
In article landpost@clark.net writes:
1. Yes, I do get it, unfortunately I'm debating with eggheads. 2. Write
the Polish Historical Society. I'm sure you could find their address on
WWW. 3. The figures are not "obviously" suspect. 4. One can look at as
both emi - and immi in this case, and your impressing no-one with this. 5.
They are my source. If you want to go further, write them. What I have
given is a source, which is much more than I ever get from the Holohoaxers
here in alt.revisionism, except from Mr. Roessler from Germany. He will
provide, when asked. 6. You've got balls asking this question!!! See #5.
Whatever it is you got, it's lucky for the rest of the world that it's
not contagious. Also, if you state where you find references to PHS
from the polish home page, I'll gladly dig up their address, since you
fail to do so. As usual you expect others to do your research for
you. But hey, since you are unable to, we'll gladly help you, who
knows, some day we might even find evidence that supports some of your
ramblings..
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From: flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare)
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Subject: Re: A Revisionist repleis to Michael P. Stein: Who Liked Uncle Joe?
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In-reply-to: landpost@clark.net's message of 2 Sep 1994 00:43:44 GMT
In article landpost@clark.net writes:
>In article <344aai$og1@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, quirke_a@ix.wcc.govt.nz wrote:
[Your attributions are unclear.. Did you or quirke write the text below?]
>With all the hoopla about "political correctness" and "sensitivity for
>minorities," it is not surprising that the Justice Dept. report
>conspicuously avoids all mention of the race of rapists and their victims.
>The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the manner in
>which rape is presented in the Justice Dept. report obscures rather than
>clarifies the racial element. In listing the 141,000 rapes that were
>reported to police in 1992 (an estimated 53% of all rapes, also does not
>include rapes in institutional settings i.e. prisons), no mention was made
>of the race of victims or rapists. (a magazine that holohoaxers would call
>"racist" quoted someone's work with these statistics, which I've posted
>already).
>Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University,
>had to carefully sift through the data to find that in 1987 there were
>9,406 reported cases of black rapists and white victims, and fewer than 10
>cases of white-on-black rape. In a 1974 study in Denver, 40% of reported
>rapes were of whites by blacks. Not one case of white-on-black rape was
>uncovered.
>From the October 1993 Justice Dept. report, "Highlights (sic) from 20
>Years of Surveying Crime Victims," one thing must be remembered, Hispanics
>are counted as "white", therefore, there crimes are counted as "white"
>(sic) crimes:
>- 20% of violent crime was interracial, 15% of which involved white
>victims and black criminals.
>- Nearly 110 million violent crimes were reported between 1973 and 1992.
>It is estimated that 50% of violent crimes go unreported.
>- Whites were victims of non-whites in 18% of crimes of violence during
>the 19 year period., a total of 19.8 million whites were victimized by
>nonwhites, including over 6.5 million who were injured.
>- The likelihood of a white being the victim of a violent crime committed
>by a non-white is 54 times greater than a non-white being a victim of a
>white during a violent crime.
>So much for the "it's all black-on-black" crime nonsense.
>landspost@clark.net
Since it's your name at the bottom (in more than one sense) I assume
you wrote it.. Well, you have listed various unverifiable facts. Now,
what is your conclusion?
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From: flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare)
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You are broken.
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From: flax@Krille.update.uu.se (Jonas Flygare)
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Subject: Re: Two questions for Bradley Smith
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In-reply-to: landpost@clark.net's message of 2 Sep 1994 01:03:01 GMT
In article
landpost@clark.net writes:
[Again, your attributions are incorrect, as you do not state who said
the above. I suggest you learn how to use your newsreader/editor.]
>> So what's answer? I can work in this enviornment because I don't read the
>> other stuff and I've got a thick skin, but I imagine that the many,
>> perhaps thousands, of lurkers who read alt.revisionism and who have real
>> questions and real observations and who really want to find out what's
>> going on, will never reveal who they are to us because our behavior here
>> is so barbaric and juvenile.
>>
>> What's the problem with a "moderated" discussion--no bigoted language and
>> no personally insulting language allowed?
>-------------------------------------
>Dear Mr. Smith,
>Then the only strategy that the holohoaxers have would be thus rendered
>useless, which is to use bigoted, filthy language and the rest of that
>bit. They won't debate revisionists in a public forum for a reason, which
>has become clear as day after some time here.
Do you by the above statement mean that you plan to give up on us and
haunt some other group? (alt.usenet.kooks comes to mind..)
I am sure you label my posts under "bigoted, filthy language", but
what exactly do you mean by "the rest of that bit"? From what I've
seen you were treated fairly respectfully until you started calling
names and making snide remarks about people disagreeing with you. Mind
you, you still haven't got half back what you excreted in the group to
begin with.
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Subject: Eine Antwort fuer Herr Uwe Roessler
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>-The letter by General Leykauf is "IMT, Bd.32, S.71-75 (Dok. 3257-PS)"
>[Schreiben des Ruestungsinspekteurs Ukraine, Generalleutnant Hans
>Leykauf an den Chef des Wehrwirtschafts- und Ruestungsamtes im OKW,
>General d. Inf. Thomas, vom 2.12. 1941]
>[Schreiben des Ruestungsinspekteurs Ukraine, Generalleutnant Hans
>Leykauf and den Chef des Wehrwirtschafts- und Ruestungsamtes im OKW,
>General d. Inf. Thomas, vom 2.12. 1941]
>"Rue In Ukraine O.U.,den 2.Dezember 1941
>"_Inspekteur_ _Geheim_
>"[..]
>"c)Judenfrage
Dieser Brief ist zunaechst in keinem Fall eine Anweisung fuer die
Ordnung-Politik der deutschen Verwaltung RK Ostland oder die
Einsatzgruppen.
>"Die Ordnung der Judenfrage in der Ukraine war schon deshalb ein
>"schwieriges Problem, weil die Juden in den Staedten einen Gross-
>"teil der Bevoelkerung ausmachen.
Falsch. Die Bevoelkerungszahl unter deutscher Verwaltung in RK Ukraine war
16.910 million am 1. Januar 1943. Im Zentralblatt des Reichskommissars
fuer die Ukraine heisst es:
Gebiet (Englisch buchstab.) Quadrat Kilometer Bewohner
Wolhynia-Podolia 80,508 4,211,916
Shitomir 64,800 2,916,890
Kiev 71,790 4,455,927
Nikolaev 46,880 1,920,253
Dnepropetrovsk 52,398 2,743,041
Crimea (Tauria) 22,900 661,981
RK Ukraine 339,276 16,910,008
Sowjet-Evakuierung der Juedische Bevoelkerung der "alten" Soviet-Staedten
85.5% der ukrainischen Juden wohnten in den Staedten im 1939
Juedische Bevoelkerung
Staedte vor Evakuierung nach Evakuierung Evakuierung im Prozent
Cities before after percentage
Englisch buchstab.
Minsk 90,000 5,000 (est.) 94%
Shitomir 50,000 6,000 88%
Novograd-Volynsk ? ? 90%
Vitebsk 100,000 22,000 78%
Dnepropetrovsk 100,000 20,000*** 78%
Nikolaev 30,000 5,000 83%
Kherson 30,000 5,000 83%
Poltava 35,000 1,500 96%
Odessa 180,000 30-60,000 67-83%
Melitopol 11,000 2,000 82%
Kharkov 130,000 20,000 85%
Kirovograd 18,400 6,000 min. 67%
Chernigov 10,600 300 97%
Mariupol 7,300 none 100%
Taganrog 2,700 none none
Vinnitsa 21,800 see below see below
Kiev 175,000 see below see below
Uman 25,300 see below see below
Berdichev 28,400 see below see below
Vinnitsa, Kiev,
Uman, Berdichev 50-62,000 75-80%
Judenn insgesamt 1,045,500 173-215,00 79-83%
Quelle diese Aufstellung: The Dissolution of Eastern European
Jewry-Sanning, Walter. Selbst von Reitlinger, Gerald: "Final Solution."
***Deutsche Berichten, z.B. aus Dnepropetrovsk, erwaehnten jedoch nur 702
Juden, die in der Stadt blieben. Sieh "Deutsche Ukrainischer Zeitung,
6.2.1942, S. 3.
Bevoelkerung der RK Ukraine 16,910,008
Juden in alten sowjetischen Staedten 200,000
Die Juden waren deshalb nur am meisten 2.5% der Bevoelkerung der RK
Ukraine im Dezember 1941. Diese laut Reitlinger. Uwes Dokument ist deshalb
eine Verfaelschung.
>Es handelt sich also - ebenso wie "im G.G. - um ein
bevoelkerungspolitsches >Massenproblem. Viele Staedte "wiesen eine
Judenteil von ueber 50% auf.
Falsch. Sieh oben.
>Vor den deutschen Truppen geflohen waren nur die reichen Juden.
Falsch. Sieh z.B. Reitlinger, Final Solution, S. 498 (englische Ausgabe)
>Das Gros der Judenheit verblieb der deutschen Verwaltung.
Falsch. Sieh oben.
Eine Fortsetzung soll folgen, wenn es noetwendig waere.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Weil die deutschen Soldaten und SS ritterlich kaempften.
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Subject: Re: Landposts's Numbers Don't Add Up (Surprise!)
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In article <3461mk$rtf@agate.berkeley.edu>, schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Richard Schultz) wrote:
> Just to make the point clear: I did *not* write the garbage that landsat
> put in the last post as if he were quoting me. That is his own fantasy
> land.
>
> He cleverly deleted my response which shows immediately that his figures
> have been cooked somewhere.
>
> Note also that when he was asked for documentation his reply was that
> "The Polish Historical Society" was all I was going to get. I at least
> had the decency to post complete bibliographical data.
>
> I am going to propose something for the group as a whole that I think
> is the most constructive thing we can do about Mr. Landpost: ignore
> him. If we agree that none of us will respond to anything he posts
> and act on that agreement, I suspect he'll stop bothering us in short
> order. I know that sometimes it's hard to not respond to idiots.
> But let's be honest. Newel post is lacking in even whatever wit
> and intelligence people like Raven and Smith have. He's even a
> notch below the likes of Berg and Gannon -- and we had not thought that
> possible. Realistically, he is a threat to no one. Whatever humor
> value his posts once had has long since evaporated, and he isn't even
> a very sucessful irritant anymore (I for one no longer even care why
> he keeps calling me "Schlomo" even though, as I have pointed out several
> times, that is not my name). It is true that most crackpots think that
> your failure to respond is an acknowledgment that their arguments are
> unanswerable -- but hasn't postpile already made up his mind on that
> score?
>
> Something to think about.
> --
> Richard Schultz
>
> "It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
> truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
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Going through many posts with many files open on my desktop, I must have
incorrectly sent that post.
As to your "sources" about Polish immigration, I think it was statistics
for only 1948. The 750,000 figure was not from a single year.
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Nazi Mass Murder in the Ukraine
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In article <348ceg$6or@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> This is a partial translation of the document that Uwe Roessler
> posted yesterday. Like many other documents, it reports mass
> murder of civilians by the Nazi occupation forces in the USSR.
>
> Note the document states that Jews, on the whole, didn't pose
> any danger to the German army. Curiously enough, it looks as if
> the person who wrote it was not happy with the barbaric massacre
> of men, women, and children, and implicitly tried to protest it.
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I've posted my answer to Mr. Roessler tonight. It proves, with statistics
from Reitlinger, that this document is either a forgery or an outright
fabrication.
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@clark.net
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In article <34beb5$qhf@search01.news.aol.com>, tinggaard@aol.com
(Tinggaard) wrote:
> It is nice to see you attempt to back up your claims, Tim. However, three
> questions come to mind.
>
> 1. What happened to the 0 number cited in your first rant?
Nothing. See in parentheses.
> 2. Did you notice that your figures might be read to mean the race crime
> war is over?
I don't know what kind of American sociological baloney you mean behind
this. This is no war in the usual sense. It is one-sided savagery. It is
becoming much, much, much worse with every year.
> 3. What on earth do Holohoaxers have to do with any of this?
>
Holohoaxers like to call revisionists racists and point out comments made
in heated battles as proof of this. My point is that, no matter what gets
said here by revisionists or the right wing, it is not racism in the
context of American reality, where there is plenty of racism, but little
if any is coming from the American right or revisionists.
> Also, I find it hard to believe that you agree with the Justice
> Departments definition of white.
I didn't go through the stats. I have to use what statisticians conclude.
Tim McCarthy
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In article <349lea$32k@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> To add a little to Barry Shein's article, let me once again note that
> communist USSR, for many years, supplied numerous weapons as well as
> active assistance to the Arab countries that were at war with Israel.
> The USSR was by far the main supplier of weapons to Egypt and Syria,
> for instance. It also sent many military advisors to these countries
> and some of them actively participated in wars against Israel (one
> remembers the 4 Soviet Mig airplanes, flown by Soviet pilots, shot
> down by Israeli F-4 Phantoms during the war of attrition; Soviet
> advisors also played a crucial part in activating Egypt's surface-to-air
> missiles).
>
> In view of this, it is hard to accept the claim that the "Zionists"
> ran the USSR... unless, of course, you're a "revisionist scholar".
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
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Why didn't they give them enough to win then??
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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In article , bzs@world.std.com (Barry
Shein) wrote:
> And Babi Yar? Nazi troops (Einsatzgruppen) do or don't march over
> 30,000 Jews (men, women and children) from Kiev into a ravine and
> shoot them en masse over a period of 2 or 3 days?
>
> True or false.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
False. See my posting "Eine Antwort fuer Uwe Roessler".
Tim McCarthy
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In article <3485cf$ndt@agate.berkeley.edu>, schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Richard Schultz) wrote:
> In article ,
> John Baglow wrote:
>
> >Danny, I think you've missed the whole point. The original poster
> >("landpost") referred to Clinton putting a "Jew yamaha" on his head. This
> >is clearly a musical instrument of some kind, and small enough,
> >apparently, to fit in the President's back pocket
>
> I thought that landpost has simply made a typographical error, as he is
> prone to do. To understand what he meant, place a space after the "m".
> Now we see that landpost was complaining that Clinton had placed a
> "Jew yam -- aha!" on his head. Presumably the yam was a gift from
> a Jewish farmer. But to put a yam on your head and exclaim "aha" is
> bizarre behavior even for people who are not the Freely Elected
> Leaders of the Free World. (NB for people who are not impressed
> with the humor here -- I almost mistyped the message by leaving out
> the "r" in "freely", a possibly Freudian slip.)
> --
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I was referring to Martin Mull's satirical film, " A History of the White
People," which is full of biting humor about the present pathetic
situation in America. Mull plays a sort of idiotic American suburbanite
who invites his new orthodox Jewish neighbor in for a chat. He asks the
orthodox Jew what that thing is on his head, and Mull says back to the
Jew, "oh Yamaha, they make great cars," or something like that. Anyway, I
guess you missed it.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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I have proved this IMT letter to be either a forgery or a complete
fabrication in my post "Eine Antwort fuer Uwe Roessler."
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@clark.net
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In article <345m6i$ii4@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, dmr@Corp.Sun.COM wrote:
> This is the sort of posting I think we all can support; Tim McCarthy
> tenderly exposes his innermost sentiments, while confirming for most
> folks what a warm, balanced individual he isn't.
>
>
> >The Jews:
>
> >racist anti-white movies, books, music, from Hollywood, New York etc.
>
> Yes, famous anti-white movies from Jewish production companies and
Jewish-controlled
> movie studios (presumably we can include Sony in here, too)... Arnold
> Schwarzenegger movies in which white people get shot by the bushel, umm,
> Forrest Gump, and, the Lion King -- the Jew Michael Eisner ensures all
> Disney animated features have strong underlying anti-white themes. I am
> sure there are thousands more.
>
> >racist anti-white campaign to smear holyhoax propaganda slime in the faces
> >of adolescent schoolchildren all across America (even if the Holyhoax was
> >true, you don't tell schoolchildren about it until they are mature enough
> >to handle it)
>
> Uh, sheesh? Is it also racist to tell our adolescents about a) Stalinist
> purges, b) World War I, c) the destruction of Native Americans, and all the
> other ugly events that happen to be a part of our history?
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a.) it is not done b.) I don't understand this c) please don't open with
a salvo on this subject
> >to name just a handful of the Jewish racist shenanigans in the U.S.A.
>
> >The Blacks:
>
> >A crime war against whites that boggles the mind
> >If I remember correctly, there were no (0) black women raped by white men
> >in 1992, but there were over 30,000 white women raped by black men.
> >racist anti-white "ideologies", such as Calypso Louie Farrakan's
> >This doesn't mention the hell of America's prisons, where part of a white
> >man's sentence is to be gang raped by blacks while wardens who should
> >stop the carnage, do nothing.
> >this just scratches the surface
>
> Your first point is doubtful; Louis Farrakhan doesn't speak for all black
> people, just like kooks like you that drove him to extremism thankfully aren't
> considered to be speaking for most white people.
>
> Thank you for relegating yourself to the fringe where you belong; perhaps
> you can join other kooks, white and black alike, who have joined together
> in their quest to provide racially pure states.
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What about the Israeli's??
>Mr. McCarthy (Jr) and Mr. Farrakhan
> are, after all, virtually intellectual twins, with just a few words
swapped >here
> and there.
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What about Menachim Begin??
> >You want racism, little Holyhoaxer twits, you got it.
>
> I got it, all right. You want a Kleenex to mop up the spittle?
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Is it kosher?
Tim McCarthy
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In-reply-to: landpost@clark.net's message of 6 Sep 1994 02:35:02 GMT
In article landpost@clark.net writes:
>I have proved this IMT letter to be either a forgery or a complete
>fabrication in my post "Eine Antwort fuer Uwe Roessler."
You have done no such thing. You have given sources that you claim
contradict what he said. Until those are verified, you only have a
dissenting opinion. Note that I do not want to say you are incorrect
either, but proven? No.
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In article ,
k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> I've had an ongoing offer for any Holocaust-deniers, for the last few
> years. I've said that they can pick any topic, their favorite topic,
> that they think best proves that the Holocaust never happened, and I'll
> talk about it with them. Unlike Greg Raven, I won't limit discussion
> to one single piece of evidence, I'll consider anything that relates to
> the topic in question.
>
> In late August, Tim "landpost" McCarthy accepted my offer, saying:
>
> > That little thing about Jews being sent to White Russia in a continous
> > stream under the Fuehrer's orders from virtually every Grossstadt in the
> > German realm would be a good start.
>
> I replied:
>
> > Great! Let's start there. Excellent. You're the first one to take
> > up my offer. I'm pleased.
> >
> > Now: please make your case.
>
> Ten days went by, and I heard nothing from landpost, only silence. So
> I posted again:
>
> > Mr. Tim McCarthy, you've said before you would accept my challenge, to
> > debate one fairly-narrow topic that you feel disproves that the Holocaust
> > actually occurred. The topic you chose was the movement of Jews into
> > White Russia (if I understand correctly).
> >
> > If you still feel that this argument of yours is strong enough to disprove
> > the Holocaust, please present your case, or if you feel it's already been
> > presented to your satisfaction, please say so.
>
> That was five days ago. Still only silence.
>
> He's posted two or three articles since then, none dealing with movements
> of Jews into White Russia, none saying he'd accept my challenge.
>
> Ironic, considering that this is the same landpost who wrote, even after
> I'd asked him to make his case:
>
> > the only strategy that the holohoaxers have ...
> > is to use bigoted, filthy language and the rest of that
> > bit. They won't debate revisionists in a public forum for a reason, which
> > has become clear as day after some time here.
>
> It should be very clear, I hope, who won't debate whom.
>
> Come on, landpost, make your case.
> --
> Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy
> "...just consider alt.revisionism a suburb of talk.bizarre
> and everything starts falling into place." - Steve Miller
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When exterminationists present as "evidence" for the alleged
"extermination of the Jews in gas chambers", something as top ten
"evidence" no less, and it doesn't even have the word Jew in it, much less
gassing, then there really isn't much to discuss now is there?
Tim McCarthy
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In article <35ct3s$jct@prime.mdata.fi>, kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari
Nenonen) wrote:
> In article ,
> Greg Raven wrote:
>
> >1) There is no sense in reading something to which I cannot reply, and 2)
> >so far, the "responses" to my original request for the best evidence of a
> >Nazi plan or policy to exterminate the Jews in homicidal gas chambers that
> >I have seen have not been responses at all, but rather attempts to divert
> >the discussion to some other area. Why waste my time?
>
> Are you trying to explain that your time is somehow important?
> Hah! You fuck. You and your time is "important" only here and
> only because you little piece of shit are an object of contemt and
> hatred. Don't you understand it? The world is launghing at you,
> Raven, really, most of the "aryan world" is laughing at you, you
> pathetic clown. If you ever came to any Nordic country and opened
> your dirty mouth in a public place you would be laughed to dead.
>
>
> >Greg Raven (greg.ihr@kaiwan.com)
> >Institute for Historical Review/PO Box 2739/Newport Beach, CA 92659
> >The Journal of Historical Review, 6 times/year, $40
> >The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, $10.00 + $1.00 shipping
>
>
> --
> Kari Nenonen kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi
> Maavallintie 4
> 00430 Helsinki
> Finland
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Kari, why don't you give us the details on Finland's attack on the Soviet
Union, in what is known here anyway as the "Winter War" which preceded WW
II?
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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In article <355fqk$hep@urvile.MSUS.EDU>, hermann@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU wrote:
> Richard Schultz writes:
>
> >Kleim misunderstands a lot of things. Remember, he posted that Ukrainians
> >are "Aryans" in the National Bocialists scheme of things, and refused to
> >change his mind even after I posted direct quotes from Hitler, Himmler,
et al.
> >that say the exact opposite.
>
> I either reject your interpretation of such quotes, or reject the "quotes"
> because they are spurious.
>
>
>
> "We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White children."
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I second Kleim here. Schultz is posting here the second biggest whopper of
WW II. I posted a challenge to Schlomo Schultz for an article, from a
group of two German newspapers of the time for a single article that
states the Germans did not include people from the linguistic groups
Ukranian or Polish in the group Ayran. I received nothing, of course.
If Schlomo had read, or could read (he can't) even a single book about
this from the time, one would learn immediately that National Socialists
knew the term Slav was only for sociological research, not racial
anthropological. Terms like Nordic, Alpine, etc. are true racialist terms
and both of these groups are a quite high percentage of Nordic and Alpine,
according to the literature of the time.
I'm not going to waste my time any further until Schultz provides me with
an article from a real German newspaper or journal, or a book from the
time period. I've widened my subset here for Schultz or anyone out there.
Tim McCarthy
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In article <35debp$k6j@prime.mdata.fi>, kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari
Nenonen) wrote:
> In article ,
> Greg Raven wrote:
>
> >Was it not you who, in your posting, described Belzec as "one of the most
> >terrible Nazi death camps," or somesuch? If you study this matter, you will
> >see that at one time or another, virtually all the major camps have been
> >labelled the "worst death camp." Your reference to Belzec is clearly in
> >line with this practice.
>
> Another example of the ultimate stupidity of this Raven person. Even I, with
> English as my fourth language, can understand the diference between "one of
> the most terrible" and "worst".
>
> >Greg Raven (greg.ihr@kaiwan.com)
> >Institute for Historical Review/PO Box 2739/Newport Beach, CA 92659
> >The Journal of Historical Review, 6 times/year, $40
> >The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, $10.00 + $1.00 shipping
>
> And why is this Raven character constantly advertizing IHR crap in his
> posts? At least in this side of Atlantic it's against the rules of
> usenet/internet.
>
>
>
> --
> Kari Nenonen kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi
> Maavallintie 4
> 00430 Helsinki
> Finland
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Kari, you linguistic giant, tell us about Finland's attack on the Soviet
Union before WW II, won't you????
Tim McCarthy
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The exterminationists and their mindless followers in the American
universities, who pompously consider themselves "intellectuals", are all
unanimous in labeling themselves "anti-fascists" or "anti-neo-nazi" or
something similiar. They wish to give the impression that they are
selfless idealists going against "fascists". How refreshing, therefore,
when one of these leftists comes to his senses and lets the "antifa" or
"anti-fascists" have it. Such is the case in a new book from Germany by a
man who was in the thick of it in "68er" generation.
He exposes the antifa for what they are, whether they be Keren, Shein,
Stein, McFee or Mcvay, etc., Lipstadt or any other "anti-revisionist"
writer, or the gentile peons of the left who think the antifa so
fashionable. They use as a front this antifascist label in order to hide
their real agenda of violence, censorship and oppression for the 21st
century, which of course, is the same agenda they had at the beginning of
this century.
This book could never be published in the USA in English because:
1. No mainstream or university publisher would touch it.
2. No leftist has the insight and integrity to write such a book.
3. The half-crazed by debt, semi-literate, cheap beer swilling American
nitwit public has no interest in such subjects. (They couldn't read it
anyway, as America's adult population has a functional illiteracy rate of
47%)
You, however, can order this book through a bookstore, although maybe it
couldn't handle such an order. I make no more assumptions about Americans
and their "society".
Linke Lebensluegen: Eine ueberfaellige Abrechnung. Klaus Reiner Roehl.
160 Seiten. DM 19,90.
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My postings have not made it to the group for the past couple of days. In
one of them, Schultz said Kleim didn't know what he was talking about in
regards to how the Nazis classified the Slavs in general and the Ukranians
specifically racially. Kleim maintains they were considered Ayran and
Schultz says they weren't.
I want to back-up Kleim here.(again) If Schultz had read just one book on
race from this time from Germany, (he can't), he would know that the term
"Slav" is a socioligical term, used in linguistic and geneological studies
among others. It is not a racial-anthropological term. These terms are,
for example, Nordic, Alpine, etc. Schultz, if he had any knowledge here
whatsoever, would also know that the Ukranian and Polish linguistic groups
had (and have) a high percentage of both Nordic and Alpine. They were,
then, considered Ayran.
I then challenged Schultz to back-up his ridiculous claim with an article
from two very NS publications, Das Reich and Volkischer Beobochter. I
thought that this would give Schultz his best chance, as of course, here
the NS party gave their view on the subjects of the day. Of course,
nothing was posted by Schultz.
I now want to widen the publication group to include EVERYTHING ever
published in Germany between 1933 and 1945, for Schultz to provide us with
something that says the NS party did not consider east Europeans as
"Ayran."
1. Books 1933-1945
2. Journals 1933-1945
3. Newspapers 1933-1945
4. Magazines 1933-1945
After Schultz admits he has nothing, then we can move on and discuss the
excerpts from Himmler's and others speeches, which he uses as "proof" and
of course he will take from the old standby, the IMT volumes.
Kleim and I are waiting on you, Mr. Schultz.
Tim McCarthy
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I would like to ask our resident in Finland, Keri Nenonen, to detail for
us Finland's attack on the U.S.S.R. that preceded WW II, which we now call
the "Winter War." Thanks Keri.
Tim McCarthy
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In article <35mlau$p4b@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> Yes, sure, you want to discuss Suchomel's testimony, for instance,
> that's fine with me. Re Mueller, what I know of him is from the
> movie "Shoah". Wiernik, I have to admit, I never read.
>
> Let's throw in Stark, Dr. Kremer, Stangl, Oberhowser, Dr. Klein,
> Boeck, Dr. Muench, and Prof. Pfannenstiel as well, for starters.
>
> BTW, a few days ago I heard a recording of Boeck, talking about
> a gassing he saw in Auschwitz. This recording, as well as
> numerous other material, will be included in a CD-rom about
> the Holocaust which is now being prepared. The fellow making the
> CD-rom told me that thousands of schools already ordered a copy.
>
>
> -Danny Keren.
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All of those youngsters will understand Boeck in German, Keren?? Of course
not, but that "translation" will be placed in front of them won't it??
Tim McCarthy
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In article ,
k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> bradleyrs@aol.com (BradleyRS) wrote:
>
> > What a line-up. A comic marathon in the making. Healthy men and women
> > will enjoy the show. Neuroasthenics, those afraid of the Devil or
> > concerned about Evil abroad in the land, and of course the respectable,
> > they won't see what's so funny. They're the kind of people who 25 years
> > ago would applaud the cops as they arrested Lenny Bruce.
>
> It's commentary like the above that convinces me, beyond a doubt, that
> Bradley Smith knows exactly what he's doing -- that he knows he's wrong,
> but has committed himself to spreading the lie.
>
> Why?
>
> Because not even Holocaust-deniers think that the concentration camps
> were a nice place to be.
Really? They certainly were among the safest, as concentration camps were
spared in one Allied bombing raid after another. Maybe that is
coincidence, but it is still true.
They concede that the Nazis put millions of
> Jews on board trains, stripped them of most of their possessions, and
> shipped them to camps.
Millions?? Here we go again. Fantasyland.
They admit that the camps were hell-holes where
> typhus claimed hundreds of thousands of lives.
False.
Hundreds of thousands!
False again. The Auschwitz death books that the Germans kept, which are in
Moscow, state 73,000 dead total, from all causes and all nationalities.
> They don't deny that individual Nazis were monsters that committed
> various atrocities.
I do. When there was someone like this, he was dealt with by the judiciary
system.
> In short, the life of a hypothetical inmate in the deniers' fantasy is
> still hell on earth.
Compared to what? Is doing actual work a Jew's version of hell on earth??
Ripped apart from their family, carted hundreds
> of miles to a foreign place,
All soldiers, whether Russian or German or American, didn't experience this?
stripped of all property, fed starvation
> rations,
Many Jews emigrated before 1942, taking their loot with them. Starvation
rations, are you talking about the Soviet gulags again??
forced to work hard labor,
Again, is this hell on earth for a Jew? I think so.
turned into a nonperson. For the
> "crime" of being Jewish, or a gypsy, or gay, or a Witness.
Define "nonperson".
> And...the deniers make jokes about it.
You are the joke.
>
> I think to myself, if the U.S. had done to Japanese-Americans during the
> war what the deniers say the Nazis did to the Jews...wow. Not what the
> Nazis _did_ do to the Jews, not mass murder: I'm just talking about
> what the deniers _say_ the Nazis did. I'd be horrified. I'm horrified
> as it is, I'll be damned if I'm going to make light of what happened
> to Japanese-Americans in this country in the early 40s. It's not a
> laughing matter.
Say what? Are you still on L.S.D. from Woodstock II or something?
> And even if everyone thought that my country did something far worse,
> the thought of what my country actually _did_ do, while not as bad,
> would still be horrific.
Huh?
> I don't laugh at funerals. I don't make jokes about airplane crashes.
> I don't mock such terrible images. What comedy there is in the
> denial of the Holocaust is such black, black humor. It's sickening,
> not amusing.
Ahh, poor baby.
> And if I actually believed in Holocaust-denial...if I believed that
> Germany had merely imprisoned a few million people in work camps for
> years of misery...would I make jokes about "comic marathons"?
>
> Hell no.
Which work camp contained a million people??
> But if I knew it were all a sham...if I'd balled up the pain and the
> hurt and the guilt and buried it so deep that nothing and no one could
> ever touch it, and if I'd plastered over that part of my life with a
> false story that I were forcing myself to believe was true?
You need psychiatric help, son.
> Then I think I'd be making jokes. What better way to convince myself
> that everything's OK, nobody's really hurting, it's all a big laugh.
Huh?
> When David Irving stands up in front of a bunch of neo-Nazis and tells
> jokes about the SS carrying around a one-person gassing chamber through
> the Schwarzwald, looking for Jews to gas -- that's not a funny image
> to anyone who has come to terms with the Jews being crammed into rail
> cars and enduring winter with nothing but the thin Auschwitz uniform to
> wear.
Have you ever come to terms with the millions of soldiers who endured
winters with nothing but a thin uniform to wear also??
But it is funny -- it's desperately funny -- if there's a very
> tiny walled-off part of your brain that's screaming to be set free.
> What better way to shut up your brain, than laughing at it?
You are a wacked-out dude, Jamie. Wow.
Tim McCarthy
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In article <35nmom$58@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
> Wayne McGuire wrote:
>
> # Is there no *physical* evidence for the gas chambers at all?
>
> There is - see previous article.
>
> # I was brought up with an image of the Holocaust as a sort of
> # gigantic factory of death, in which six million Jews were
> # exterminated in gas chambers with industrial precision.
>
> Not very accurate. About a million Jews were shot by the
> Einsatzgruppen in Nazi-occupied USSR.
Keren, if you read even your own exterminationisit literature, such as
Hilberg, you would know that only 750,000 (approx.) Jews fell into the
hands of the Axis in all of the former Soviet territory they occupied.
According to the same Hilberg, they were still there when the Soviets
retook these areas. You are a liar.
Numerous others were
> shot elsewhere. Numerous died from intentional starvation,
> epidemics, and overwork.
Again, is the idea of physical labor a fate worse than death for Jews?
According to the summary (which I
> suggested to mail you if you're interested), about 2.7 million
> Jews were gassed; the rest died from the reasons mentioned
> above.
Oh, so that is today's tally. We don't need a lottery system here in the
U.S., just bring in a professional holohoaxer every day and ask him/her
how many Jews were "gassed." The numbers are as random as any official
lottery system.
> # I had always assumed that there were zillions of gas chambers in
> # Germany and Europe,
>
> Very far from zillions - 7 in Auschwitz,
wrong
10 in Treblinka,
wrong
and
> 9 in Belzec,
wrong
to mention the three worst camps, in which a total
> of 2.3 million people were gassed.
False.
> These numbers may seem small to you. But consider a gas chamber
> like the large ones in Auschwitz, 7 X 30 meters in area.
That is gigantic!!!!
One
> can easily gas a 1,000 people per day in such a chamber.
How do you figure?
Actually,
> the main problem the SS had was not the gassing, but disposing
> of the bodies.
Tell us more about this, Keren, won't you??
> # and that they had been captured and studied by the Allies.
>
> Don't forget that the SS made a great effort to conceal the traces
> of the crimes they committed. When they knew the war was lost,
> they became rather frantic. They destroyed some of the evidence.
Really??
> # Is there not physical evidence of even ONE gas chamber? Huh?
>
> There is (see previous article).
>
> # Surely the conquering Allied forces must have encountered many of
> # them, and photographed and filmed them.
>
> See previous article.
>
> # I am not being facetious or cute here. I haven't studied the gas
> # chamber business. But if in fact there is no physical evidence
> # whatever of gas chambers, then one begins to hear Twilight Zone
> # music in the background.
>
> Really, Wayne. Can you give physical evidence to *one* murder
> committed by, say, the Stalinists in the USSR? *One* gun, say,
> used to kill some political prisoner in the USSR 50 years ago?
> Yet you have no doubt 20 million were killed by Stalinist terror
> there!
Yes, I can. For example, a German film crew visited the Siberian camp
Vorkuta and took films of their stroll around the perimeter. Often, one
had to walk carefully not to step on bones or to kick skulls of the
"goyim" that are lying all over the place.
I won't even bring-up the murder of 20,000 Polish officers, about 5,000 of
whom were found in Katyn forest near Smolensk. There is enough
documentation on this crime by Jew boy NKVD chief Baria to choke a horse.
Tim McCarthy
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k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> wmcguire@world.std.com (Wayne McGuire) wrote:
>
> > What is the physical evidence for the gas chambers?
>
> I don't want to go into it now, because Raven tends to bounce from
> topic to topic even with no excuse at all. I want him to continue
> to address the Poznan speeches until it's clear that he's done,
> before we move on to physical evidence of the gas chambers.
>
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Once you and McFee tell us where you're quoting from, I and presumably
Raven will be happy to continue.
Tim McCarthy
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In article ,
k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
>
> > These numbers may seem small to you. But consider a gas chamber
> > like the large ones in Auschwitz, 7 X 30 meters in area. One
> > can easily gas a 1,000 people per day in such a chamber. Actually,
> > the main problem the SS had was not the gassing, but disposing
> > of the bodies.
>
> Actually, if one were in a hurry, one could gas 1,000 people in
> about five minutes in such a chamber.
Wrong.
Removing the bodies and
> shoving the next group of people in might take another half-hour
> to an hour.
Wrong.
If they were packed in tightly, 1,500 to 2,000
> could be killed at once in the space of a few minutes.
Maybe.
In a busy
> day, maybe ten gassings could take place, so 15,000 to 20,000 or so.
Wrong.
>
> As you said, the problem is disposing the bodies. Even Auschwitz's
> many huge furnaces could handle only 1,440 per day at optimum
> capacity, according to a Nazi memo.
What "Nazi memo", with references. Where are the remains or the ashes of
all these "gassed and cremated Jews"?? There has been no archeological
excavation at Auschwitz to find them for good reason you know. Answer: You
are a liar, you twit.
So unless alternate means of
> disposing of the bodies were being used -- burning them in ditches
These "ditches" have never been archeologically excavated. Why not??
> -- the gas chambers were rarely used to their peak capacity.
According to whom??
Tim McCarthy
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In article <35v5qc$nu7@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) wrote:
>...........a
> filthy racist swine. Only a sick, depraved, racist scum.......
>
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Keren, are you looking in the mirror again??
Tim McCarthy
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz Numbers Scam
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In article ,
k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu (Jamie McCarthy) wrote:
> bradleyrs@aol.com (BradleyRS) wrote:
>
> > I agree that historians knew the 4 million figure was wrong, that it was a
> > deliverate lie. None of them bothered for close to 30 years to clean up
> > the story for the public. Why?
>
> There was this thing called the Iron Curtain, remember?
>
> Let's think about this for a second. Historians have been saying for quite
> a while that about 2 million Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen,
Not only are you a sick, deranged idiot, you are also a liar. 2 million by
the Einsatzgruppen, give me a break already.
Tim McCarthy
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From: charles11@delphi.com
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Himmler's Poznan speech, in German and English
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>war, the corpses are references to dead soldiers. And, whoever said that
>Judenevakuierung is a code word for sending the Jews to the gas chambers
>is reaching here, to say the least.
Who are you trying to kid, Tim? I read German fluently and while the trans-
lation is accurate the meaning to me is crystal clear: he is talking of the
Jews! The word "war" or "war casualties" does not even come up - the whole
speech deals with the "ausrottung" (extermination) of the Jews. It takes
a far fetch of the imagination to interpret this any other way.
Charles11
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From: landpost@clark.net
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In article <35oeg2$49n@prime.mdata.fi>, kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari
Nenonen) wrote:
> In article ,
> wrote:
>
> >Kari, why don't you give us the details on Finland's attack on the Soviet
> >Union, in what is known here anyway as the "Winter War" which preceded WW
> >II?
>
> Finland did not attack on the Soviet Union. Read any history book: Soviet
> Union attacked on Finland. What details you are interested of? The "Winter
> War" is very well documented both in Finland and in former SU and even
> Russia agrees today that the Winter War was one of Stalin's imperialistic
> aggressions. If you confuse Winter War with the "Continuention War" so
> there is a real revisionistic issue, which is under a debate even today
> among well respected historians. The real reason for that is the fact
> that during the Existence of the SU that kind of issue was, shall we
> say tabu in Finland for not awaking the "Sleeping Big Bear". Frankly,
> the freedom of speech was somewhat limited in Finland almost fortyfive
> years for the sake of national security. So if you have any questions
> about those two wars, don't hesitate to ask: I will answer.
>
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I was just testing a theory within some circles that leftists have no
sense of humor or sense of sarcasm. Thanks for proving that this is
correct.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Jamie McCarthy's "thin jackets"
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Jamie McCarthy, in one of his latest neurotic spiels, says that, well,
even if no Jews were being exterminated, isn't it bad enough that the poor
darlings had to work hard and "live through harsh winters with only a thin
jacket", or some such nonsense. It shows again that the exterminationists
don't quote sources for good reason. They are liars, pure and simple.
Here is a list, that Jews being transported from the Reich proper and
Bohemia and Moravia to the east, were given. This quote is interesting for
several reasons:
1. It shows again that Jamie McCarthy is a liar and a lunatic. In his
fantasy world, he imagines "Jews being transported and forced to live
through cold winters with only a thin jacket," or some such similiar
scenario. Here is much more than "a thin jacket."
2. Why should one bring enough food for 5 days?? The trip from the Reich
to Auschwitz could be made in two days. Of course, if the Jews were being
transported to White Russia, then 5 days food makes sense.
3. Why work boots and work clothes for a short trip to the "Auschwitz
factories of death?"
Transport
Es empfiehlt sich, die zu evakuierenden Juden vor dem Abtransport zu
konzentrieren. Transporte werden jeweils in Staerke von mindestens je 1000
Juden nach dem im Einvernehmen mit dem Reichsverkehrsministerium
erstellten Fahrplan, der den beteiligten Dienstellen zugeht,
durchgefuehrt.
Es muss pro Person mitgenommen werden:
Marschverpflegung fuer etwa 5 Tage
1 Koffer oder Rucksack mit
Ausruestungsgegenstaenden und zwar:
1 Paar derbe Arbeitsstiefel (work boots)
2 Paar Socken
2 Hemden
2 Unterhosen
1 Arbeitsanzug (working clothes)
2 Wolldecken
2 Garnituren Bettzeug (Bezuege mit Laken)
1 Esskapf
1 Trinkbecher
1 Loeffel
1 Pullover
Nicht mitgenommen werden duerfen:
Wertpapiere, Devisen, Sparkassenbuecher usw.,
Wertsachen jeder Art (Gold, Silber, Platin).....
Source: Jochen von Lang, Das Eichmann-Protokoll. Berlin 1982. Appendix.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net
Elie Wiesel: "Some events do take place but are not true; others are,
although they never occurred."
from: Auschwitz: True Tales from a Grotesque Land by Sara Nomberg-Prztyk,
pg. 166.
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From: landpost@clark.net
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Subject: Re: Tim McCarthy and Trains to Treblinka
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In article <366jkk$31j@access4.digex.net>, mstein@access4.digex.net
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:
>
> >Treblinka was merely a transit camp, by the way. But, what do you
> >think is so revealing about trains from Bialystok to Treblinka to
> >wherever??
>
> The first part of your statement is true, the second is false. I
> challenged your assertion that Treblinka was a transit camp where people
> had to get off and board another train at the boundaries of railroad
> nets. I quoted from your own source to show that if Jews were being sent
> to "Weiss Russland," it made no sense to ship them from Bialystok to
> Treblinka. Treblinka is farther to the southwest of Bialystok than
> "Weiss Russland" is to the east of it. That's what's so revealing about
> trains from Bialystok to Treblinka.
>
> I also mentioned a shipment from Bialystok to Auschwitz, which you had
> previously claimed was also a transit camp. (You then suddenly changed
> your mind and claimed it was also a work camp.) You fixed on the Auschwitz
> shipment and completely missed what I posted about the Bialystok-Treblinka
> run, claiming you had dealt with all questions. I know this is difficult
> for you, but pleast try to pay attention, Tim.
>
> You also failed to address the point I raised about the trains from
> Vienna to Minsk. Since you had said that the railroad nets were separate
> and people had to change trains (as best as I could understand your
> illiterate postings, that is) I noted that it should have been impossible
> to run a train from Vienna to Minsk.
>
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I know it is difficult for us Americans to imagine the workings of a
modern railroad net, because we don't have one. Therefore, my point that
Sobibor, Treblinka, etc. being transist camps requires comprehension
ability beyond that of the exterminationists. The Jews would not have to
get-off the trains at these points, for example, only sit there on the
tracks in their sealed units and wait for new locomotives to pick them up
for the trip further east.
American innonence of railroads is further revealed by Mike's incoherent
statement "Treblinka is farther to the southwest of Bialystok than
"Weiss Russland" is to the east of it." Mike, again, I'll need more
clarification from you about what you mean here before I can comment. For
example, tell me where you think Bialystok is, where Treblinka is and
White Russia is in real terms, not in the fuzzy way you've done here.
Mike's next pearl of wisdom is that he thinks it is impossible to go from
Vienna to Minsk. Pg. 70-74 of Mit der Reichsbahn in den Tod gives a rail
schedule for Vienna - Minsk with details. It left almost daily from
Vienna.
Lastly, I only remember, however, the issue Bialystok to Auschwitz. These
Jew transports are well-documented in the IMT no less and I have provided
a reference in the German language volumes.
IMT, Bd. XXVII, 1472-PS, S. 251.
Tim McCarthy
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In article , golux@mcs.com (The
only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) wrote:
> In article ,
> landpost@clark.net wrote:
>
> > In article , karlpov@access3.digex.net (Charles
> > R.L. Power) wrote:
> >
> > > In article , wmcguire@world.std.com
> > > (Wayne McGuire) wrote:
> > >
> > ----------------------
> >
> > Schwindler's List is FICTION.
> >
> >
> > Tim McCarthy
> > landpost@clark.net
> >
> > It says so, not once, not twice, but three times on the cover page of the
> > 2nd edition. Also, I think most of the schoolchildren whose faces are
> > being smeared with this vile, Jewish film know it too.
>
> Hey, Tim, Gone With The Wind is fiction, too. Guess the Civil War never
> happened, huh? The Scarlet Pimpernel is fiction. So much for the French
> Revolution.
>
> By the way, where in the world is any child's face being smeared with a film?
>
> And did you actually see Schindler's List? Or was it too vile and Jewish
> for you to pay for?
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I don't have time for crude fiction. So, no I didn't see it and would
never pay to see any film produced in the U.S.A.
Tim McCarthy
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Subject: Re: History of the Holocaust
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In article <364vfh$pfs@access4.digex.net>, mstein@access4.digex.net
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:
> In article <24SEP199408425373@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> >greg.ihr@kaiwan.com (Greg Raven) writes...
> >>9/22/89: The Associated Press reports that the Soviet Red Cross has turned
> >>over information regarding the deaths of over 74,000 [actually closer to
> >>69,000] wartime internees of Auschwitz to the International Red Cross. The
> >>news story, which cites Valentina Fatyukhina, head researcher at the Soviet
> >>Red Cross, as saying, RThe deaths of over 74,000 people were neatly
> >>recorded, day after day, hour after hour, in 46 huge volumes. Their names,
> >>the birthdates, and the names of parents were written down.S These volumes,
> >>which have been hidden away by the Soviets for 45 years, remain hidden
> >>until 2/11/92 for fear that revisionists will make use of them(!).
> >
> > No Greg, she probably meant *real revisionists*. Not you guys.
>
> No, Daniel, she never said anything about revisionists at all. Look
> again - the line about the revisionists is outside the quotes. It could
> be that this is Raven's insertion trying to make us think these are the
> thoughts of Fatyukhina. Raven did the same thing with Pressac's comments
> on the testimony of Boeck.
>
> Raven gave a date and a general source, but no more concrete reference
> (such as a newspaper which picked up the AP story).
One can read stories like this on-line, and you would know this if you
didn't spend all of your time in alt.revisionism.
But if it is indeed a
> deliberate attempt to mislead, it's rather clumsy, as it refers to a date
> 2-1/2 years after the AP story - thus it could not possibly have been part
> of the story! In any event, this supposed evidence of the fear that
> revisionists strike into the hearts of us hoaxers would certainly seem to
> be just more wishful thinking on Greg's part.
>
Supposed evidence??? Supposed evidence??? I really can't believe you Stein
could say this whopper!!! These are the REAL DOCUMENTS Stein, you know,
what historians use. 74,000 dead at Auschwitz, not even a single night's
work for the Tory swine British Royal Air Force. The hoax is finished.
I think that there is much more to come from the Soviet archives. It is
going to get very ugly for the western exterminationist establishment.
Tim McCarthy
landpost@clark.net

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