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Just made it through the ep with 3 Roy Harpers. Honestly not sure how I did it.

So brave. Very proud of you, I know it must've been hard.

I think with a little reflection Will will realize that someone other than Dick may be using him to fill the hole that "Wall" used to fill.

Edit: Wait Artemis is his daughters's aunt. Also that was not meant to be a dirty joke.

Last edited by Pohzee; 01-11-2019 at 03:41 PM.

It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)

He probably means me. And i really liked the first season, second season was very good as well, but there were a bunch of characters i didnt care for that were ultimately pointless, the new metas and blue bettle were by far the worst part.
The 3rd season hasnt grabbed me yet. Im really loving nightwing in it, but the plot is really boring so far. And theres no interesting interactions between characters like in the first season.

As for Tim, ive given up on the idea of the character appearing in any media outside of comics, so really dont care.

So Titans finally dropped internationally and I just watched the new YJ episodes. I do know which Dick I prefer but Titans!Dick has some good character beats, namely his relationships with other characters. While I was not too keen on seeing the circus people suffer again, I liked Clayton a lot and I hope he appears in S2 again instead of being forgotten. It's going to be interesting how S2 plays out for Dick.

I am enjoying Dick's character in YJ and I hope to see him get more comfortable in his leader role again. YJ made me realize even more how few jokes Dick made in Titans, if he even made some at all.

I think Tim is supposed to get more focus later in the season. It is tough to juggle so many characters on the show and it makes sense they would want to open the new season after such a long wait with the more established characters. I am still interested in how they deal with characters like him and Steph later in the show.

And it is great to see how well Dick as Nightwing is being used in the new YJ season. For so long I've been complaining about specific things in the comics and this YJ version is running with so many ideas I've wanted to see implemented for so long. He is only like 20 in the show but commands so much more respect and confidence that it makes the comic version feel so pathetic or stuck. He isn't anchored in Bludhaven trying to protect it, he is fully immersed in the DCU, he has moved on from the "team" after being old enough to go on his own and is creating new teams with old allies and new allies, he isn't bogged down with some normal job stuff and is doing what he enjoys by being a hero, and they structured a logical reason why he doesn't join the JL.

If he wants he could join the JL but he prefers to work on his own outside of it and that decision isn't held against him. The JL are not refusing him from joining or treating him like a child, like in the comics, and he feels like an actual adult despite being younger than he is in the comics. He's been a hero for over a decade on the show by now and is using all his experiences to be the best hero he can be while also enjoying the work involved. It is just very satisfying seeing the character work but also frustrating because the comic version is so far off from this too.

Dick doesn't need to be jokey. I feel like that reduces his character. For large chunks of his history, Dick has been the straight man. The Dick in Titans is a pretty good interpretation of the NTT era Dick I think. However, YJ Dick is well-adapted, blending maturity with some levity. He's pretty much idealization of how modern Dick should be written.

Also, I kinda like the idea of Blüdhaven being a Gotham suburb. Give Babs Burnside and Dick Blüdhaven. Each close enough to interact with eachother and Batman, but far enough for relative and tonal independence. And he actually has a reason to be there. And he isn't anchored there. Once again better than the comics.

Last edited by Pohzee; 01-11-2019 at 06:11 PM.

It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)

Tim fans should be thrilled in perpetuity. They always get everything great for Tim and they don't have to worry about DC shafting him. He's got too much focus as it is. We need MORE DICK (not Ric). You know, I think I can understand why these "creative" bigwigs work for Warners, not DC: At least THEY have talent so that's why they work for the mother ship.

I think Tim is supposed to get more focus later in the season. It is tough to juggle so many characters on the show and it makes sense they would want to open the new season after such a long wait with the more established characters. I am still interested in how they deal with characters like him and Steph later in the show.

And it is great to see how well Dick as Nightwing is being used in the new YJ season. For so long I've been complaining about specific things in the comics and this YJ version is running with so many ideas I've wanted to see implemented for so long. He is only like 20 in the show but commands so much more respect and confidence that it makes the comic version feel so pathetic or stuck. He isn't anchored in Bludhaven trying to protect it, he is fully immersed in the DCU, he has moved on from the "team" after being old enough to go on his own and is creating new teams with old allies and new allies, he isn't bogged down with some normal job stuff and is doing what he enjoys by being a hero, and they structured a logical reason why he doesn't join the JL.

If he wants he could join the JL but he prefers to work on his own outside of it and that decision isn't held against him. The JL are not refusing him from joining or treating him like a child, like in the comics, and he feels like an actual adult despite being younger than he is in the comics. He's been a hero for over a decade on the show by now and is using all his experiences to be the best hero he can be while also enjoying the work involved. It is just very satisfying seeing the character work but also frustrating because the comic version is so far off from this too.

I agree with everything you've said. I will continue to whine about the comics side of the equation, but I'm that YJ Nightwing is a well established and respected character.

I liked Bludhaven back when it was a dirty little ex-whaling town, and I like the potential of Vegashaven (especially with that Haley's Casino idea someone here deserves credit for. Stand up, good poster, and be recognized!) but ultimately a setting or city is only as good as the people writing it and I don't have any real ties to the location.

Twas me, but only after that thread produced a dozen or so great ideas to feed off of. The best ideas come in community.

Originally Posted by dietrich

Which is better Dick in Titans or YJ? I haven't ordered the streaming service but I enjoy Titans.

Just saw a post on the Tim thread that said this season of Yj is the worst so far so not sure how good it is.

I'd say Dick is better in YJ, but thats by no means a slight on Titans. YJ Dick is essentially the Dick we want to see in the comics, but while still being imperfect.

Originally Posted by Godlike13

Just made it through the ep with 3 Roy Harpers. Honestly not sure how I did it.

I actually liked that episode. The first three were better for sure, but this one was good. It felt like a more light hearted and fun episode than the previous three. Plus, it was nice seeing some of the characters have jobs and need to make money. Also nice to see a little bit of character flaws with Dick. Seems he is taking a similar path with Wally's death as he did in the comics with Donna.