Saturday, 20 June 2009

The March Of The Dhimmis

After suffering more than 6000 HAMAS rocket attacks against its citizens and showing restraint that no other country in the world would ever contemplate, Israel finally struck back against HAMAS terrorists using the might of the IAF. The Israelis have made it clear that this is a war against the Iranian-sponsored HAMAS terrorist organisation and have gone to extra-ordinary lengths to ensure that non-combatants are not caught in the strikes. A task made near impossible as HAMAS uses its own women and children as human shields, a disgraceful, heartless war crime.

These are precautions that no other western nation would ever take in times of conflict, witness the criminal NATO air strikes deliberately targeting citizens in Serbia and Iraq, neither of whom had fired a single rocket at any NATO state.

But if the Israelis thought that this restraint and caution would win her support from the west, then predictably, they have been sadly mistaken.

Scores of protests in Europe and the United States attended by thousands upon thousands of so-called "peace protesters" are screaming hysterically for the "Israeli murdering nazionists" tohalt their "siege". These are "peace-loving people" whose raging hatred for Israel is being stoked by a duplicitous, treacherous media who have wasted no time at all to demonize Israel and portray once again those poor "Palestinians" as the oppressed victims of the ruthless Zionist occupiers.

Issues For British Nationalists

Many British nationalists are aware of the nature of the conflict but are stating quite clearly that it is a war between Palestinians and Israelis and is not of our concern. But if the events that have occurred this last week prove anything it is that it is very much a British Nationalist concern for two very striking reasons:

1. We are at war right now with the same enemy as Israel, that enemy being Islam. Not "radical Islam", not "Islamic extremists" or "Islamic terrorists" but Islam. Islamic jihad has beendeclared upon us whether we like it or not. It is not a war restricted to Israel as the masters of Islamic jihad and its fanatical Muslim mujihadeen want you to think but a part of thecurrent global jihad that is being waged all over the world. We are in World War 3 make no mistake about it, checkout the number of countries involved in fighting Islamic jihad. Britain is most definitely one of them.

2. Our media and our politicians are using this conflict to condition our people as compliant dhimmis subservient to Islam who in turn are all combining to advance Islamic jihad in GreatBritain.

Why Great Britain Is At War

There are very few people in Britain today who possess a clear understanding of Islam. Most believe it is one of the great religions, a religion like any other and that Muslims have theirgood and bad just like other religions and that Islam is essentially a Religion of Peace. Sure it has its fanatics who misinterpret the Qu'ran, but that's no different to any other religion, right? I'll be honest and say this is pretty much what I believed Islam to be just four years ago.

Few of our citizens are aware of how Islam divides the entire world into 2 distinct houses: Dar al Islam - House of Islam, the lands of the believers and Dar al Harb - House of War, the lands of the unbelievers, the lowest of the low, the infidel.

This is such a seemingly simple point but it is at the very core of Islam. The duty of every single Muslim on this planet is to wage war against Dar al Harb until the whole world is Dar al Islam.

Even fewer are aware of how important and how revered the Prophet Mohammed is. He is regarded by Muslims as the ideal man, the perfect example for all time. He is the heart and soul of Islam. But this was no peace-loving Prophet. Mohammed lived his life waging war on the unbeliever, the infidel, spreading his faith by the sword and personally murdering, raping and enslaving infidels who refused to convert to Islam. In his own words:

"I was commanded by Allah to wage war against the infidel until fitna (unbelief) ceased to exist and the world belongs solely to Allah." - Prophet Mohammed

This division of believers and unbelievers is so important because it means that by its very nature, while Islam exists, the infidels - including we British - are at war with Islam. This is the reason why Muslims attack us. Not because of Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel or because we eat roast pork after a few beers down at the pub of a Sunday lunchtime. It is their duty to attack us because we are the infidel, the lowest of the low and they are waging jihad against us in a variety of ways including demographics, litigation, da'wa (call to Islam) building of mosques that dominate all other religious buildings and of course never-ending demands for ever more tolerance and acceptance of Islamic practices and Islamic sharia law.

Al Taqiyya - WMD of Islamic Jihad

Mohammed stated: War is deceit. A weapon Muslims deploy frequently against infidels is "Al Taqqiya" - lying to further the cause of Islam. The excuses that follow an Islamic terror attack are without exception Muslims or Muslim apologists stating that these atrocities occur in response to some perceived injustice such as poverty, Iraq, Israel or any of 100 other excuses. But very few of our people know that this is Al Taqqiya and that Muslim jihadists attack infidels because it is their duty, because their prophet personally set the example and because they are trying to conquer and subjugate us and create the single global ummeh. Not to mention enjoying the fruits of 72 "houris" who remain virgins forever no matter what in the after- life with Allah as a reward for their efforts.

In this current global Islamic jihad, the jihadists are greatly supported by the western media and the politicians who are working hand-in-hand with the jihadists to promote the myths about Islam and in doing so, are conditioning our people to be subservient to the cause of Islam.

Creating A Legion of Compliant Dhimmis

Cast your mind back to September 11th 2001. On that terrible day, jihadists murdered 3000 innocent people whose only crime was to board aeroplanes or get up and go to the office. The western world responded with respectful candlelight vigils, calls for peace and tolerance, and support for each other to come to terms with the shock and horror - the reality - of Islamic jihad

The politicians and the media re-assured us: Islam is a religion of peace, all Muslims are not terrorists and Islamic organisations voiced their deep concerns that innocent, law-abiding Muslims would be the unjustified victims of widespread revenge attacks - other than a handful of minor incidents, such widespread attacks simply never materialized. The leaders of theUS and the UK declared a "war on terror and those who harbour terrorists". War on terror? Just how does that work? Terror is a weapon of the enemy not an enemy by itself so who is committing the terror and for what purpose?

But it's not for dhimmis to ask such impertinent questions.

October 2002 saw the jihadists blow up another 200 people who had the front to go to a nightclub in Bali and the world again resorted to peaceful protests that were against terrorism and not against Islam or Muslims as they did again after Madrid in 2004 and again after London in 2005. Around the same time over 2000 Bhuddists - those violent, cruel, intolerant, war-mongering fascists - fell victim to the jihad being waged by murderous jihadists in Southern Thailand. More recently in Mumbai, jihadists killed another 173 people, with the Jewish victims also brutally tortured by their Muslim jihadist captors before being executed. More victims to add to the 80 million dead victims of the seemingly never-ending jihad against the Hindus and Sikhs in India that started way back in 638. The two-state solution certainly isn't appeasing the Pakistani jihadists - what a surprise.

And still we are told by our politicians and their media lackeys that Islam is a "religion of peace" and I wonder how many of our people are aware that since 9/11 jihadists have committed over 12,500 acts of Islamic terror?

In fact not once after any of these jihadist terrorist atrocities has the world held mass protests against Islam or Muslims calling for the Islamic world to be attacked. Anaesthetised by governments and the media as to the reality of Islam, should anyone dare to speak the truth about what Islam is really about they are vilified as Islamophobes or verbally abused with thatever-so effective Orwellian thought-control weapon "racist".

Many have been prosecuted for inciting racial hatred - such as the BNP leader Nick Griffin experienced - for daring to exercise free speech and criticise a so-called religion that just cannottolerate non-believers as equals and murders infidels en masse wherever Islam takes root. Infidels such as Theo Van Gogh in Holland, executed in broad daylight in cold blood by anunrepentant jihadist who stated clearly that he did is duty to Allah.

Al Taqiyya And The Jihad Against Israel

Contrast the western response to Islamic atrocities with the events of recent days. The quite justified response of Israel to to jihadist terror attacks on its citizens has seen the westernworld react with outrage, lies and hate-filled invective that heaps shame on our nations. Governments urge Israel to show restraint, and the media has gone about its job of brainwashing the media-led sheeple by feeding them a constant stream of Al Taqqiya that portrays the Islamic jihadists as victims and the Israelis as Zionist Jewish occupiers who kicked out the Palestinians from their own land and took it over. In actual fact it was the Arab nations who told the Arabs living there to get their bags packed in 1948 because Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria were going to "drive the Jews into the sea." They were to return when the genocide of the Jews was complete. The best laid plans...

The lies come thick and fast. Israel is occupying Palestinian land. That there has never been a nation called Palestine is conveniently never mentioned nor is the somewhat inconvenient fact that there has been a Jewish presence in this area for 3500 years. That this land was just desert and swamp, a leftover desolate land from the defeated Ottoman Empire that the British had a mandate to administer is also not explained. Nor is the fact that the British reneged on their promise to make this a homeland for the Jewish people and instead gave 80% of it to theArabs - the land now known as Jordan. Cries for a two state solution seem somewhat ridiculous as Jordan would now be the "Palestinian" state, just compare the flag of Jordan with the"Palestine" flag so abundantly flown at "peace" demonstrations this last week.

Other anti-Israeli buzzwords litter news copy. Israel is occupying the West Bank - that's what Jordan named it but it should be more accurately called Judea and Samaria but using these names would give the game away wouldn't it? How did Jordan name it the "West Bank"? Well they "held" the territory from 1948 to 1967. Not once were they referred to as "occupiers" and no attempt was made to create this territory as Palestine. But the western media don't like to go back beyond 1967. We don't want any dhimmis asking awkward questions, it's best to nip Islamophobia in the bud.

As ever, the press are reporting concerns of a "humanitarian crisis" that never quite manages to unfold largely because Israel continues to send aid into Gaza and because of aid from the EU and the US that has made Gaza one of the world's best countries for longevity - also not reported. Weaned on welfare viewed as jizya, a tribute tax that is the duty of Jews and Christians to pay their Muslim masters, the Gazans have a quality of life many in the world are denied and they receive it without producing anything for it. Nice work if you can get it.

Then there's the "disproportionate response" and the "collective punishment" accusations. Although what the proportionate response is to 6000 rocket attacks on innocent civilians, another war crime, isn't mentioned - 6000 rocket attacks on Gazan towns perhaps? Nor is the fact that the Gazan people exercised collective responsibility by electing the Islamic terrorist organisation HAMAS whose own charter states:

"Israel will exist and continue to exist until Islam obliterates it just as it obliterated all others before it."

If people are responsible enough to vote for Islamic terrorists in the full knowledge that their goal is to commit genocide then they are responsible enough to deal with the consequences. Withchoices come responsibility and allowing the people of Gaza to avoid facing any consequences for their choices isn't just a disproportionate response it is crass irresponsibility that serves HAMAS and prolongs the conflict.

Isn't it odd that no such doublespeak applies to any Islamic atrocity, or to the HAMAS attacks? And talking of disproportionate response, isn't it also odd that when Serbia was bombed by NATO, no such term was applied to the 78 day raids and that no peace protests were held supporting the Christian Serbs and demonizing Bosnian Muslims or even the UK and the US? Yet we did see once again, hate-filled demonstrations when these two NATO nations gave Muslim Iraq "Shock and Awe" as I'm sure we all remember.

Isn't it also odd that after 12500 acts of Islamic terror, we do not see hate-filled demonstrations throughout the Muslim world against jihadists "who are hijacking and misinterpreting thepeaceful religion of Islam"? They're quick to take to the streets full of hate for the west over such atrocities as drawing cartoons of Mohammed though. Is that not somewhat disproportionate to the "peace protests" of the west?

There is something very obvious about these "disproportionate responses". It's now time we British Nationalists realise exactly what it is.

How The Gaza Conflict Advances The Jihad Against Britain

So you are now aware about the whole reason for the conflict in the Middle East. It is not about a struggle for Palestinian land against the Zionist Israeli occupation, it is all about the genocide of the Jewish people and the obliteration of the state of Israel. The media know it. The governments of the west know it. Yet the people of the west continue to be fed pro-Islamic propaganda that does nothing other than further the cause of Islamic jihad in the west resulting with some of the most sickening, shameful and hypocritical protests that are pro-Islam and firmly anti-Jewish and of course, anti-USA.

Yet the same pious, outraged style of protests never take place after an Islamic jihadist atrocity. Not even after 300,000 Darfurians were massacred by Muslims in the Sudan did we see suchhate-filled protests against Islamic jihad. These brutal massacres weren't enough to rouse the pious peace lovers onto the streets just as rocket attacks on kindergartens in Sderot are greeted with tumbleweed. Only when Israel has the affront to defend its citizens against the jihadists do these righteous moral beacons take to the streets in their droves to vent their offended spleens and proudly display their pro-Islamic anti-Jew hatred in the name of peace egged on by the jihadist collaborators in the western media.

It all amounts to a spectacle of dhimmitude never seen before in the west. What an incentive for the Islamic jihadists to pursue their vile, supremacist aims.

The nauseating spectacle of thousands and thousands of pro-HAMAS dhimmis in Dar al Harb marching through western cities flying the Palestinian flag, the Hizbollah flag and the HAMAS flag, many of them proudly wearing keffiyehs to further emphasise their hatred of Israel, vehemently chanting "we are all Palestinians" and the deplorable "from the river to the sea" is all a result of conditioning by the media and duplicity by governments who are brainwashing their own people into sympathizing with and serving the very fanatics whose sacred religious duty is to fight them and subjugate them until they convert to Islam or die.

These marches are supposed to be demonstrations about peace, about ending war to prevent yet more blood being spilled in a land already drenched with the blood of way too many victims -Arab and Israeli alike - of just one more chapter of the global jihad against infidels. Pro-Islamic, HAMAS loving "peaceful protests" that include demonizing Jews as "Nazis who are conducting a holocaust against the Palestinians", that justify the use of such peace-promoting, tolerant phrases as "Jew scum", "death to all Jews" and "Go back to the ovens" such as this protest in would you believe it, former Nazi occupied Holland:

That a Dutch MP is present screaming for Intifada should send alarm bells ringing with Dutch - make that EU - citizens but don't hold your breath for this fascist traitor to be pilloried in the same way as his fellow MP Geert Wilders was after daring to make a film critical of the violent verses in the Qu'ran. And what a touching tribute to the 16,000 allied soldiers who gave their lives at Arnhem to free the Dutch from the real Nazis who sent many Dutch Jews to the gas chambers just 70 years ago.

The Betrayal Of The British

That video captures the whole reason why we as British Nationalists are involved in a war, not just against Islam but against those who are supposed to govern and protect us and those who are supposed to impartially inform us about important global issues but who instead, are furthering the cause of our enemies by turning our own people into compliant, subservient dhimmis who protest alongside Jew-hating fanatical Muslim jihadists leading them with cries of "Allahu akhbar" along with theatrical Islamic prayer ceremonies. Observed of course by their dhimmi audience with great respect and admiration. Mission "March of the Dhimmis" accomplished.

Dhimmis who not for one moment ever stop and think how their compliance is interpreted in the lands of Dar al Islam. Blinded by their own vanity and brainwashed by the media, it doesn't even occur to them. It is something we as British Nationalists should think about though.

Conclusion

To conclude, here are the two vitally important issues we as British Nationalists need to be fully aware of:

1. That the jihad against Israel is not a separate war but just one battleground of the current global jihad. We have to learn the lessons of how jihad is being waged against the Israelis, in particular that any concession given to jihadists as a gesture of peace will only lead to more and more demands for more and more concessions. We need to understand how the propaganda war is fought by the Arabs and start to use this to work for us and against Islam. We also need to learn how the Islamic world views aid donations - as a dhimmi jizya - and perhaps more importantly we need to understand how:

2. This conflict is being used to further the jihad against Britain. This means understanding the weapon of Al Taqiyya and how it is being used to brainwash our people into submissive dhimmitude who respond in Pavlovian style whenever Dar al Islam calls them. That the media and the politicians are collaborating with the enemy to further Islamic jihad in our land is treason and we must try and educate our people about their great betrayal.

What Israel faces every day is the fate that is being prepared for us and it is a fate that looms ever closer by the day. It is time for the unpalatable truth to be told about Islam and it is time for those who are supposed to serve and protect us to exercise their duty.

23 comments:

I think that there is another conclusion to be drawn for those who will see it. Israel is fighting back and is managing to hold on, at least thus far. This says that it is possible to resist izlam, they are not all powerful and our leaders tell us (Sarkozy for example). It does, however, take courage and a spirit of self-reliance, two things that are in short supply in the West today.

As you have no doubt observed, the leadership of all Western nations (except Israel) have sold out to izlam and the New World Order. They see it as their jobs to lead their respective countrieds into their places into this future utopia. (The fact that izlam and the NWO are incompatible does not seem to be a stumbling block for them.) Defending their nations is the very last thing they want to do. They are all Leftist.

They both fear and admire izlam. They expect to "manange izlam" (what a foolish thought!) in such a way as to use it to their own ends. The Left are all dreamers who sense no limits to what they imagine they can do. Thus by supporting izlam, they imagine that they are supporting an agent that they will ultimately use. Little do they realize how quickly izlam will sweep them away.

The BNP has neither sold out to Zionism, neither is it anti Semitic. Very few British Nationalist buy into the belief in a Jewish conspiracy, which is very common amongst American Nationalists.

The BNP has Jewish members and at least one Jewish councillor.

Personally, I have some concerns over the Jewish influence on the media but no more so than I have over the left wing influence over the news media. however, like Reconquista I view the main threat to be from Islam, not from Tel Aviv.

You are right to point out, effectively that really only two kinds of Muslims exist, those that believe the Qur'an and those that don't.

Those that do abide by the following:

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful" Sura 9:5.

"Regular charity" is of course the dhimmi tax. You have a good description of it in the US, Dr. D - the protection racket.

In this country, we've had it up to here, as the saying goes.

There can be no Jewish conspiracy, in the light of the Jewish scripture itself:

"And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the LORD for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace" Jeremiah 29:7.

An excellent article. By far the biggest threat is islamic demographics. That no mainstream politician dares mention this is a massive indictment of our ignorant and cowardly MPs.

The tradgedy is that in 20-30 years, it will be game over for several countries in Europe. The demographics will guarantee that. It won't matter if laws are passed to try and tame islam, they will simply be repealed once the islamic majority holds voting sway.

As for Israel, why is there this constant demand for it to return land it won in wars started by countries who wish to destroy it? What did they expect? "Oh dear, we've had our arses kicked by those pesky Jews and all we were trying to do was annilihate them. Can we have our land back?" F**k that for a game of soldiers. You lost the war, stop whining.

But in an academic context, I have met Muslims who were decent individuals in spite of their religion i.e. they didn't actively engage in jihad, which for all practical purposes is disbelief in the Qur'an.

Any that weren't actually two-faced i.e. pretending to be decent folks and I suggest there were some, would, of course, be the first to be executed in any full-scale Muslim insurrection in the UK, as 'apostates.' I believe this is what happened when the Shah was deposed in 1979.

All of which naturally contributes to the null set being or becoming such.

The late Arafat declared to the UN that "We will declare OUR STATE…with Jerusalem as its capitol; yes Jerusalem, the eternal capitol of OUR State whether [the Jews] like it or not! Now we are on OUR holy land, and we are regaining this HOLY land inch by inch."

But the Arabs can't do it themselves. Not all the Muslims in the world can do it.

That's why they want UN help. I think they'll get it before this thing gets done.

But the UN (including the Muslim member nations) will lose out big time in confronting Israel. Like everybody else has who's tried it, from Pharaoh (circa 1490 BC) onwards.

The conspiracy of the prophets was internal i.e. "in the midst thereof" of "the land" verses 24, 25, directed not against Gentile nations but against the Jewish remnant who were still faithful to God's laws. See Jeremiah 28, for example.

Titus 1:9-16 again refers to Jews in rebellion against their own scriptures who rejected the Lord Jesus Christ as the Messiah, Daniel 9:25-27, John 5:39, 40. Moreover, the rebellious Jewish aggression was directed at the early church, not against Gentile nations.

Revelation 2:9, 3:9 refer plainly to imposters who are NOT Jews. The verses address the false doctrines among certain professing Christian groups that God is all through with the Jews (He isn't) and/or that the English-speaking nations are the 'true' Israel (they're not).

None of those references have anything to do with Jeremiah 29:7, Jeff, nor will any others like them. The Book of Esther actually indicates the reverse.

My point is that the Old Testament, as a Jewish Charter, does not enjoin conspiratorial subversion of non-Jewish nations by its adherents. By contrast, Islam and Rome do, against non-Muslim and non-Catholic nations respectively.

You're right - the JA is not the final authority but it is one of many from the horses mouth. Did you find it kind of troubling ?

Permit me to ask, since you well quoted from Timothy -what are the fruits, the indicators that those you call jews are in fact the people of God's covenant ?

Were not the ones of Thessalonica more noble because they searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true ?

Didn't Christ say we were to know them by their fruits ? And to judge righteous judgement ?

What other people on this earth have we elevated to rest on such lofty pedestals that to even question or deny them is tantamount to crime or blasphemy, and therefore punishable by decree of law ? A global act just for their sakes ! Thought crimes even.

We don't even allow God Himself to escape our inquisitions and venom ! But the jew gets a free pass ? Just WHO do we recognize as God ?

All the things that were prophesied to be fulfilled in these people, the things they were to accomplish - did God fail ? Or are they going to start playing catch up REAL soon ? Or is this where we start spiritualizing matters ?

Let's start with the multitude of nations, or the innumerable birth rate they were to aspire to - 15 million jews ? There was 1,570,000 fighting men alone (20yrs. old and up) way back in David's time ... and that was excluding 2 tribes !

Have they been the ones by and large who have responded to and carried God's Word throughout the world ?

Have they been the compassionate hearts, the explorers and inventors who have benefited all peoples of the earth -the builders of modern society ?

Why is the term "jew" not even mentioned in scripture until 2 Kings 16:6 and here they are warring against Israel ?Abraham was never called a jew ... none of the patriachs were.

The King James 1611 did not use the term jew but judaen. Have we studied to see what has been mistranslated in the modern versions ?

If I was called an American, do you know my race ? Religion ?Likewise, is the term jew being using as a resident of the judaen region ... a member of the tribe of Judah ? A religious adherant ?Further investigation is warranted.

Folks are looking for Biblical fulfillment in a tiny bastardized land God long ago turned His back on ...and all the while scripture is being lived elsewhere.

Haven't you been by Colonel Buckshot's yet ? He's on your side of the water.

Christianity survived many years without the additional modifier - judeo ... and has been dragged down ever since.Christianity and judaism are complete opposite ends of the spectrum but I see you're well entrenched and attained your comfort zone.

If you cannot see the conspiracy that involves our rulers, the beast system and the paid off priests -I don't know what else it will take.Time I suppose.

Yes, Matthew 7:20 and John 7:24 but neither passage relates to God's covenant with Israel as a nation, Jeremiah 31:35-37, 33:19-2.

What other people on this earth have we elevated to rest on such lofty pedestals etc.

God has elevated the Jewish nation, not man, Deuteronomy 7:6-8. Nowhere does the scripture support your other assertions. Jewish believers are enjoined to submit to Gentile authorities in both Testaments, Jeremiah 27:6-8, Matthew 22:17-22, Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:17.

...But the jew gets a free pass ?

Wrong. Check Matthew 8:11-12.

Just WHO do we recognize as God ?

1 Timothy 3:16.

All the things that were prophesied to be fulfilled in these people...did God fail ?

No, Joshua 21:43-45.

Or are they going to start playing catch up REAL soon ?

In God's timing, Romans 11:25-27.

Or is this where we start spiritualizing matters ?

No. See above.

Let's start with the multitude of nations...Multitude of nations ? 1948 etc.

The fulfillment of God's promises e.g. Genesis 15:5, is not dependent on any time limit set by you, Jeff.

Have they been the ones by and large who have responded to and carried God's Word throughout the world ?

No, Gentile English-speaking believers did this with a Jewish Book, Romans 3:1, 2 but that is independent of God's covenant with the Jewish nation, Romans 11:29.

Have they been the compassionate hearts, etc.?

See comment immediately above.

Why is the term "jew" not even mentioned in scripture until 2 Kings 16:6 etc.? Abraham was never called a jew ... none of the patriachs were.

It was actually Syria at war with Israel at that time. The term "Jew" is most likely a diminutive for Judah but 'Jews' as such pre-existed the time of 2 Kings 16, as the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the twelve tribes, Acts 26:7. 'Christians' also pre-existed Acts 11:26, when they were first called that.

The King James 1611 did not use the term jew but judaen. Have we studied to see what has been mistranslated in the modern versions ?

The AV1611 uses the words "Jew" or "Jews" 273 times. The modern versions are riddled with errors but that is a separate subject.

By resorting to sarcasm, you betray the weakness of your own position, Jeff.

If you cannot see the conspiracy that involves our rulers, the beast system and the paid off priests -I don't know what else it will take.Time I suppose.

Chapter and verse? I suggest you check Revelation 13, 17 and identify from the contexts MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I'll give you a clue. She isn't Jerusalem, Revelation 11:8 notwithstanding.

So if I tell you I'm heir to the Rothchild estate, although I'm living in the residence by means of lethal force and counting on you to take my word for it - you're going to buy my line ? Give me all the goodies ?

And how much more is at stake here ?

If a duck has fur and fangs, you can believe I'm going to do a little investigating. You follow your emotions....................3.) "Were not the ones of Thessalonica more noble...?

Yes, Acts 17:5, 10, 11 but both groups were still Jews."

Once again - jew by what definition. You seem to propose that any mention of the word implies the tribe of Judah ... which it does not.

Wherein would you say Proverbs 25:2 applies ?....................4.) "Didn't Christ say we were to know them by their fruits etc.?

Yes, Matthew 7:20 and John 7:24 but neither passage relates to God's covenant with Israel as a nation, Jeremiah 31:35-37, 33:19-2."

The context deals with false prophets and the fruit (deeds, apparent accomplishments) of their endeavors. Define Godly goodness to me and then show me which variant of tree has born the good fruit and which the thistle. Doesn't proper identification mean anything or rate as a necessity anymore ?

Where is the manifest glory of the judaized Christian world today ? It's all based purely on emotion and guile.Smoke and mirrors. Has sin increased or decreased ? Have we nailed His law to the cross ?

See #2 above.....................5.)"What other people on this earth have we elevated to rest on such lofty pedestals etc.

God has elevated the Jewish nation, not man, Deuteronomy 7:6-8. Nowhere does the scripture support your other assertions. Jewish believers are enjoined to submit to Gentile authorities in both Testaments, Jeremiah 27:6-8, Matthew 22:17-22, Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:17."

Truth has no fear of the examining Light, nor of being put under the magnifying glass for clarification.

There is evidence galore of the jewish infiltration/monopoly of all media and financial institutions of the world ... and the manipulations of the masses. Most often brushed aside with taunts of anti - semitism but never addressed. Not hard to submit to your own rule which favors you.

And I'm not going to lay each page out for you here. The Brit seems to be way behind on this realization....................6.) "...But the jew gets a free pass ?

Wrong. Check Matthew 8:11-12."

"... and I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of satan."

But isn't our choice of God(s) made manifest by our adherance to His commands (or whomevers), and thus our allegiance so stated ?

If you love Me, keep my commandments.

If you love Me, feed my sheep.

I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

As My Father sent Me, so send I you.

John 14:15/ 21:15-17Matthew 15:24

Have we ever REALLY read the book of John ? ....................8.)"All the things that were prophesied to be fulfilled in these people...did God fail ?

No, Joshua 21:43-45."

And when they crossed over into the promised land, they were so blessed as He had indeed promised.

But were they still not bound to obey God ? Were they not warned ? The warnings of Deut. 28 were still in effect ?

How many times were they eventually conquered, and dispersed ? What is this future promise mentioned in 2 Samuel 7:10 ? Remember, MULTITUDES of nations and peoples. ......................9.)"Or are they going to start playing catch up REAL soon ?

In God's timing, Romans 11:25-27."

So, we can test the spirits, we can test for works but since it's predetermined that those calling themselves jews are indeed legit ... we'll consider nothing else, keep our minds shut tight and let it play out. Keep the blinders on, ignore evidence to the contrary and give it a wee bit more time to work out the way we envision it. Yeah, right.....................10.)"Have they been the ones by and large who have responded to and carried God's Word throughout the world ?

No, Gentile English-speaking believers did this with a Jewish Book, Romans 3:1, 2 but that is independent of God's covenant with the Jewish nation, Romans 11:29."

Then God failed by your own admission.My Bible tells me His people would proclaim His Word and that they would be the ones to largely accept it. Christianity is the white mans religion.

Isaiah 43:10-12,211 Peter 2:9John 10:14,24-31..................11.)"Why is the term "jew" not even mentioned in scripture until 2 Kings 16:6 etc.? Abraham was never called a jew ... none of the patriachs were.

It was actually Syria at war with Israel at that time. The term "Jew" is most likely a diminutive for Judah but 'Jews' as such pre-existed the time of 2 Kings 16, as the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the twelve tribes, Acts 26:7. 'Christians' also pre-existed Acts 11:26, when they were first called that."

2 Kings 16:1,5-6

So now the term jew can be construed as meaning a territorial aspect ? If applicable here, why not in other places ?

Like the believers here -

John 8:31 ... but read on to verse 59.

What is the context of the non believers ?It was the pharisee, who by their own admission is still in power today. Another we can't quote.

In bondage to no man ?What of Egypt or Assyria,etc.Seed does not equate to chosen children -

Romans 9..................12.)"The King James 1611 ..."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jew.htm .....................If you have not properly defined the players in the Book, you cannot draw any reasonable conclusions as to what will happen or to whom.

Yes, the beast system of Revelation has expanded worldwide (it's red) and Israel has once again played the harlot.

I don't gloat over anything scriptural I may be blessed to understand - it's certainly not of my doings - Matthew 11:25-27.

But one hears the same old arguements that hold no water other than being traditions of men or emotional leanings.Structures built on shifting sands.

I employ sarcasm when called for - it is Biblical. Ask Elijah.

Not that any would search this far but here's one last link -

http://www.missiontoisrael.org/mystery-of-gentiles/chapter1.php

Before we sling terms around to be used as tools of inclusion, and that in dire contradiction of His Word - we ought to properly define them.

Re: Alanorei...I don't know how long Sarah will let us dominate her air space ... but I'm up for it.

You can email me on alan.oreilly@ntlworld.com. However, you should consider Titus 3:10, 11, because it's clear now that you're not about to convince me of anything and I'm not about to convince you of anything. Feel free to apply the passage either way.

Well, that's an easy way of discounting quite a bit of info.

The irrelevance arises because the source isn't scripture, which was my original point, Jeremiah 29:7.

So if I tell you I'm heir to the Rothchild estate etc.

I fail to see any relevance to the scriptures cited, Jeremiah 31, 33. Note that apostate Jews will, however, make a covenant with the wrong party, Isaiah 28. They don't all abide by Jeremiah 29:7.

Yet to be fulfilled, Ezekiel 28:25, 26. I suggest take careful note of verse 26.

So, we can test the spirits, we can test for works but since it's predetermined that those calling themselves jews are indeed legit ... etc.

None of which addresses the scriptures cited, Romans 11:25-27. What 'we' do, or don't do has no bearing on the foreordained fulfillment of scripture, Isaiah 55:11.

Then God failed by your own admission.

I admitted nothing of the kind. Check Isaiah 55:11 above.

My Bible tells me His people would proclaim His Word and that they would be the ones to largely accept it.

Isaiah 43:10-12,211 Peter 2:9John 10:14,24-31

The Lord and His apostles, including Paul, were all Jewish. The two witnesses in the Tribulation will be Jewish, Revelation 11, as will be the evangelists of Revelation 7, who preach "this gospel of the kingdom" to the whole world in the Tribulation, Matthew 24:13, 14. The whole nation of Israel will be converted to their Messiah in a day at the Second Advent, Isaiah 66:8.

The NT verses you cited have a dual application to the Church, which includes Jewish believers. They do not negate Jeremiah 31, 33.

Christianity is the white mans religion

Song of Solomon 5:10

2 Kings 16:1,5-6

So now the term jew can be construed as meaning a territorial aspect ? etc.

Fratricidal conflict was common in Israel until the time of the captivity of the northern kingdom, Judges 9, 2 Samuel 3:1, 2 Chronicles 13 but that did not affect God's unconditional promises to the nation of Israel e.g. Deuteronomy 32:9. Re: territory, the land of Israel belongs to the Jews, not the Pope not the UN not the Muslims not the Anglo-Saxon peoples, Genesis 15:18-21, Romans 9:7.

The remainder of your comments in the above section once again bear no relevance to God's promises to Israel in Jeremiah 31, 33.

If you have not properly defined the players in the Book, you cannot draw any reasonable conclusions as to what will happen or to whom...Before we sling terms around to be used as tools of inclusion, and that in dire contradiction of His Word - we ought to properly define them

They are properly defined, Acts 22:3, Philippians 3:5.

Yes, the beast system of Revelation has expanded worldwide (it's red) and Israel has once again played the harlot

You misidentified the harlot because you missed an essential colour in Revelation 17.

I employ sarcasm when called for - it is Biblical. Ask Elijah

Your sarcasm was in no way Biblical. It was obviously a means of sidestepping the scriptures cited in the previous post, e.g. Ecclesiastes 8:4.

Re: the link, the item repeatedly cites the corrupt expression 'Yahweh,' which is a 19th century invention of non-Christian German critics of the Bible. Now that I therefore know where you're coming from, Jeff, I suggest there is little point in further discussion. However, you have my email.

"Now that I therefore know where you're coming from, Jeff, I suggest there is little point in further discussion. However, you have my email."..................And by your willingness to cut the mooring line, you exhibit YOUR need to sidestep the points I've brought up.

No - you did not put them to rest. You have already presupposed that the jews are the ones of the covenant, so therefore at some future date all must and will be fulfilled in them. What a closed arguement.

By my use of one link, you've deduced my "origins" and therefore can "righteously" stop your ears. I chose this specific link out of many because it brought up several issues I wanted to address, but was not willing to take up blog space over.

Truth be told, I'm just as ready to cut you loose. I've dealt with many victims afflicted with HICS before and know it's usually a futile effort (Head In Cement Syndrome).

We'll both remember the others viewpoint in the days to come. My discourse is done also, but you can have the last word if desired.

I would add my thanks, Sarah, for your patience and use of your blog in this exchange.

Point of clarification. I did answer your Part 1, Jeff but the comment seems to have got lost somehow and I did not retain a copy.

The fact that you avoided addressing the central scriptures that I raised, Jeremiah 29:7, 31:35-37, 33:19-26 and ended by resorting to personal insult does in fact highlight your position as indicated in my answer to your Part 2.

Neither of us has the last word, Jeff. The Lord Jesus Christ has, Revelation 1:8, 11.

Thanks for your comments, it has certainly been an interesting exchange, however, as it has now gone rather off topic from Reconquista's excellent post, I would be grateful if you could now continue your discussion off line.

I will happily facilitate the exchange of E-mail addresses if you would both like to write to me at sarahmaidofalbion@gmail.com

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