Read the excuses these scholars make for violence in the bible - Atheist Nexus2016-12-09T18:31:15Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/read-the-excuses-these-scholars-make-for-violence-in-the-bible?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2152430&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHonestly speaking, I didn't r…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-03-06:2182797:Comment:21781302013-03-06T12:28:56.688ZKatlego Modjadjihttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/KatlegoModjadji
Honestly speaking, I didn't remember half the quoted verses in this thread from my bible study. The two prolific snippets of the "good" book that I have in memory are concerned with unfounded faith (which is ignorance) Proverbs 3 verse 5 and something that simply sickened me to my stomach Colossians 3 verse 22
Honestly speaking, I didn't remember half the quoted verses in this thread from my bible study. The two prolific snippets of the "good" book that I have in memory are concerned with unfounded faith (which is ignorance) Proverbs 3 verse 5 and something that simply sickened me to my stomach Colossians 3 verse 22 I'll go with this:
Robert Fr…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-07:2182797:Comment:21586932013-02-07T00:00:52.026ZEartherhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Earther
<p>I'll go with this:</p>
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<p>I'll go with this:</p>
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<tr><td>T<font size="-1">WO</font> roads diverged in a yellow wood,</td>
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<tr><td>And be one traveler, long I stood</td>
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<tr><td>And looked down one as far as I could</td>
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<tr><td>Then took the other, as just as fair,</td>
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<tr><td>And both that morning equally lay</td>
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<tr><td>In leaves no step had trodden black.</td>
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<tr><td>Oh, I kept the first for another day!</td>
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<tr><td>I shall be telling this with a sigh</td>
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<tr><td>Somewhere ages and ages hence:</td>
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<tr><td>Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—</td>
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</table> Excellent find, Steph. I hav…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-02:2182797:Comment:21564042013-02-02T19:51:49.652ZAlan Perlmanhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/AlanPerlman
<p>Excellent find, Steph. I have no problem with violence in the Bible, only with attempts to rationalize it. Those people were like us, but without the intervening centuries of development of morality. Even so, we're not much better.</p>
<p>My favorite passage is Deteronomy 25:12: If two men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to help but seizes the other guy's genitals, you are to "cut off her hand. Show no mercy." Elsewhere, the penalty for adultery, homosexuality, and…</p>
<p>Excellent find, Steph. I have no problem with violence in the Bible, only with attempts to rationalize it. Those people were like us, but without the intervening centuries of development of morality. Even so, we're not much better.</p>
<p>My favorite passage is Deteronomy 25:12: If two men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to help but seizes the other guy's genitals, you are to "cut off her hand. Show no mercy." Elsewhere, the penalty for adultery, homosexuality, and disrespecting one's parents is death.</p> I understand what you mean De…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-02:2182797:Comment:21564272013-02-02T16:55:13.007ZSteph S.http://atheistnexus.org/profile/StephS
<p>I understand what you mean Dennis - religious people are very superstitious. The things they believe boggle the imagination.</p>
<p>I understand what you mean Dennis - religious people are very superstitious. The things they believe boggle the imagination.</p> agreed - pure horror and nons…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-02:2182797:Comment:21563052013-02-02T16:54:20.379ZSteph S.http://atheistnexus.org/profile/StephS
<p>agreed - pure horror and nonsense</p>
<p>agreed - pure horror and nonsense</p> There used to be so-called "r…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-02-02:2182797:Comment:21563622013-02-02T15:50:08.401ZDustin Royhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DustinRoy
<p>There used to be so-called "residential schools" here in Canada for Native children and they were operated by Catholic, Anglican and United churches. The priests and nuns would beat, starve, rape and torture the children if they were caught laughing, reading, hugging, speaking their own indigenous language or talking of their Native heritage. The church mass murdered children who refused to convert to Christianity and then stole their land. The Christians were using the bible to commit these…</p>
<p>There used to be so-called "residential schools" here in Canada for Native children and they were operated by Catholic, Anglican and United churches. The priests and nuns would beat, starve, rape and torture the children if they were caught laughing, reading, hugging, speaking their own indigenous language or talking of their Native heritage. The church mass murdered children who refused to convert to Christianity and then stole their land. The Christians were using the bible to commit these crimes. Here are the bible verses they used:</p>
<blockquote><p>When the Lord God brings you into the land you are entering to possess, and drives out before you many nations and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.</p>
<p>Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy. Do not allow any of them to live.</p>
<p>This is what you are to do to them: break down their alters, smash their sacred stones, cut down their trees and burn them in the fire.</p>
<p>For you are a people chosen of the Lord over all others on the face of the Earth.</p>
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<p>These were taken from the old testament of the bible Deuteronomy 7: 1-2, 5-6. These so-called residential schools were designed for genocide to redue the Native population. In the middle of the night the Native children were taken away from their families by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and put in gun boats and taken away to the "residential schools". Once there the children were experimented on like in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany during World War 2. The children were often sterilized in an attempt to cull the Native population and this was when the Christians were beating, raping and murdering the Native children. The Natives were given electric shock treatment, forced to have abortions and much more. Those that were infected with deadly diseases like tuberculosis and smallpox were forced to play with children who were not sick and they were forced to share beds instead of the sick being separated from the healthy. When the children got sick the "schools" simply refused them medical treatment and they died and no one could prove that it was not just a tragic incident, but really murder. Millions of children were killed by these diseases and they were not naturally infected with them. Insted, the Christians gave them infected blanets so when the children slept with them in bed they would get sick. Of all the Native children forced to go to these "residential schools" it is known that at least 50% of them died from diseases or abuse. To this day, the Canadian government and churches still say they had no idea it was happening, but that is a lie. This genocide and holocaust is very similar to that of what the Jews suffered at the hands of Hitler during World War 2.</p> Nathaniel and Loren you are r…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-26:2182797:Comment:21523522013-01-26T16:49:51.879ZSteph S.http://atheistnexus.org/profile/StephS
<p>Nathaniel and Loren you are right that the bible can be interpreted any way you chose and can be used to justify many horrible acts. Like slavery, oppression of women, etc.</p>
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<p>Nathaniel and Loren you are right that the bible can be interpreted any way you chose and can be used to justify many horrible acts. Like slavery, oppression of women, etc.</p>
<p></p> Wanting so desparately to do…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-26:2182797:Comment:21524342013-01-26T16:48:34.022ZMichael Pennhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/DennisMichaelPennington
<p>Wanting so desparately to do the "will of God" the superstitious bible reader learns that Judas had betrayed Christ and later "went out and hanged himself." Belief in the casting of lots and other supernatural ways of learning of God's will, the bible reader next casts his bible upon the floor, and the book opens. The first passage that is read says,"go thou and do likewise."</p>
<p>Wanting so desparately to do the "will of God" the superstitious bible reader learns that Judas had betrayed Christ and later "went out and hanged himself." Belief in the casting of lots and other supernatural ways of learning of God's will, the bible reader next casts his bible upon the floor, and the book opens. The first passage that is read says,"go thou and do likewise."</p> Of course it is ... because A…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-26:2182797:Comment:21524302013-01-26T16:32:01.246ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>Of course it is ... because ANYONE can use it to their own ends. Or, put another way:<br/><br/><em>An atom-blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways.</em><br/>-- Salvor Hardin, Mayor of Terminus</p>
<p>Of course it is ... because ANYONE can use it to their own ends. Or, put another way:<br/><br/><em>An atom-blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways.</em><br/>-- Salvor Hardin, Mayor of Terminus</p> Perhaps this "twistability" i…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-26:2182797:Comment:21521132013-01-26T16:22:59.330ZGrinning Cathttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GrinningCat
<p>Perhaps this "twistability" is exactly why the bible has remained influential for two millennia!</p>
<p>Perhaps this "twistability" is exactly why the bible has remained influential for two millennia!</p>