Tactically speaking? If I am pressed to go fishing? Screw the rod and reel! Seems to me that throwing dynamite in the water is a smarter, quicker idea. Need quiet? Then there is that electricity trick...well, anyway...

Within this topic, I leave you with the wise words of a true hero and combat hero MSG. Paul Howe, survivor of several elephant stampedes (Somalia for one), who advises this on "contest vs reality" training:

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"Let's face it, competition is fun and if applied correctly, can help you in your marksmanship, weapon handling skills and confidence. With these attributes, also comes bad habits of moving too fast for the tactical situation. Who dictates the speed of the fight? The bad guy and how fast he falls, does. It might be a fast or slow process (the bad guy dying), but one should get in the habit of solving one problem at a time before moving to multiple threats.

You can shoot two rounds on paper or ping a piece of steel and move to the next target, but in reality, two rounds or the sound of steel being struck may not solve your problem. I remember servicing a bad guy one night at about 7 yards with night optics. I was trained to do double-taps throughout my military career. I punched him twice with two 5.56 rounds and stopped for a split second in my mind and on the trigger, looking for a response from the bad guy. The problem was that he was still standing with an AK-47. I hit him with two more rounds before he began to fall the ground. To my amazement, he stood back up before collapsing a second time. Lessons learned, shoot until they go down. Not one, not two, or three.

I now teach a four in the chest, one in the head failure drill with the rifle. Why four? It may take the human body that long to react to the amount of trauma you are inducing (5.56). At the time of this incident, we were using military green tip ammo and the energy transfer was minimal. Realizing we had a stopping power problem, we developed a drill that would work on any determined individual and made it part of our training package.

As a final point, I would be cautious on using competition shooters to drive the equipment and training in a department. While generally faster shooters, I have watched them err on the side of equipment that was great for competition, but took away from simplicity and the common goal."

'Advanced' is being able to do the basics, despite what else is happening.

Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!" --- Chesty Puller, USMC

Finally, common sense that there is no such thing as too ------- dead.

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I leave you idiots alone for 5 minutes and I come back and you're all dancing around like a bunch of Kansas City faggotsyou're all a bunch of slack jawed faggots around here, this stuff will make you a sexual tyrannosaurus, just like me!

Much agreed!Shoot to lockback or until they go down. Also move and use cover!Unlike the movies, almost no one instantly drops after being shot, at least in a defensive shooting situation. Any one who has been deer hunting can tell you that the deer they shot often took off an ran a hundred yards or more before going down. While field cleaning the animal they found they lungs penetrated and the heart almost exploded by a powerful rifle round. Handgun ammo is much less powerful. Guns are not "magic death rays". Get some cover if you can and keep pulling that trigger until they are no longer a threat.

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