I think that at some point it's wise to just give up on UFOlogy As if you don't, you get turned into a "plasma shaman" or "demonologist" and that's
some scary stuff. All roads lead to that, and that alone.

A crate of fermenting English apples is on it's way across the Atlantic to you now

. Hope you like cider!

Actually what got me interested in the plasma was that Project Palladium thread many moons ago. It was Zeta who brought that to my attention. It has
some legs to it.

I actually like Ufology because it's entertaining to ponder what's going on. That and the fact that there is a whole history to study that no one ever
teaches in schools.

I'll try to catch up with everything a bit later. A Mersey derby is calling me away..............

But despite my own limited contact, I certainly can't begin to understand such non-human intelligences.

Humans tend to get radiation burns, go insane or die when attempting contact with such things.

I postulate various things that sound reasonable... to me anyway.. but who am I kidding?

Now, if I were pressed to come up with an answer.. I'd say that one of two reasons may have applied:

1) Plasma research seems to attract attention. If Albert Pike or someone else in the area had been recently firing up such devices near there, that
may have caused such a reaction.

2) Some humans seem to attract attention.. there is a whole profile involved.. perhaps one or more new personnel were stationed at the base. Now I
have a long-winded explanation for this.. but to mention just one reference.. a new guard at skinwalker ranch seemed to attract the spooks and this
was noted in the research notes.

Now I'd been thinking, that if our plasma civilization friends wish to be physically seen and touched, that materializing aluminum is as good a
material as anything.. it's light and strong. I can't guess what the energy requirements would be to construct something like aluminium on the spot
would be.. but it can't be insignificant.

higher temperatures and pressures required than generally found on a winter's night in suffolk

Oh I know.

But there are multiple ways to skin a cat.

Kev

i don't know what you mean by that - perhaps you could expand?

whatever the mechanism you are proposing it's going to require a massive amount of energy

In physics, mass–energy equivalence is a concept formulated by Albert Einstein that explains the relationship between mass and energy. It states
every mass has an energy equivalent and vice versa—expressed using the formula

E = mc2
where E is the energy of a physical system, m is the mass of the system, and c is the speed of light in a vacuum (about 3×108 m/s). In words, energy
equals mass multiplied by the speed of light squared. Because the speed of light is a very large number in everyday units, the formula implies that
any small amount of matter contains a very large amount of energy.

If there are "dark matter dark energy civilizations" in the 96% of the Universe we can barely detect yet...say Maybe primordial black holes or
something like that is a major component....then what we view as "massive amounts of energy" might be an insignificant drop in the bucket not worth
mentioning.

That's one easy example.

Perhaps by manipulating the Higgs field correctly you can siphon off the strong nuclear force or something....just another hypothetical
possibility.

In other words there may be many ways to skin the same cat (manipulate normal matter and energy in ways we can barely imagine).

Perhaps by manipulating the Biggs field correctly you can siphon off the strong nuclear force or something....just another hypothetical
possibility.

Did you mean the Higgs Field?

The Higgs field is an energy field that is thought to exist everywhere in the universe. The field is accompanied by a fundamental particle called
the Higgs boson, which the field uses to continuously interact with other particles.

If there are "dark matter dark energy civilizations" in the 96% of the Universe we can barely detect yet...say Maybe primordial black holes or
something like that is a major component....then what we view as "massive amounts of energy" might be an insignificant drop in the bucket not worth
mentioning.

That's one easy example.

Perhaps by manipulating the Higgs field correctly you can siphon off the strong nuclear force or something....just another hypothetical
possibility.

In other words there may be many ways to skin the same cat (manipulate normal matter and energy in ways we can barely imagine).

plasma is 'normal' energy/matter, as is the strong nuclear force - i don't see any reason to bring dark matter/dark energy into things

if there was anything tangible there (which i doubt), you're going to extraordinary lengths to not explain it!

That's what too much cider can do to your spelling mate. You even think Andrew Pike is called Albert

He arrived at Rendlesham on the day following Halt, Bustinza, Warren's and Burrrough's (2nd) night. So wasn't testing anything whilst the main events
happened.

I too think the plasma stuff is interesting as the theory dates back to foo fighters. However it also needs a lot more research before we jump to any
conclusions. I don't rule out nuts and bolts craft either. Maybe there was once intelligent life on Mars and they sent a probe here whilst T.Rex was
still a roaming the earth?

I always say there are multiple possibilities and I think there are multiple answers to the UFO question.

I fully endorse this view - that certain members of the airmen were vulnerable or susceptible to these encounters! Bustinza being one of them.

I've also noticed how many people in the early days would use an alias when talking about the events but would name John Burroughs directly.

I'd be very interested to know your thoughts
On project Condign Kev?

It's my view that if we accept that Condign is correct and UAP plasma, then likely so is Pike. If Pike is correct then it's likely that Kit Green is
correct about John Burroughs being exposed to non ionising radiation.

His own comments about feeling hot during the encounter back this up.

If we accept all of this then it seems likely that the report I found a few months back on non classical RF physics and interactions is what Kit Green
was referencing.

Then we would have a plasma phenomena that can manipulate both the mental state and biological state of biological tissue by controlling narrow band
emissions and wave forms.

Bedlam, whilst not accepting this take on UAP radiation had his own plasma encounter that seems to fit your hypothesis.

Halt has remained totally guarded about what the tapes he still has in his possession contain. He hints that they contain events after the original
incident(s). But then he's also said he had more than one tape with him in the forest.

I suspect that Halt knows more about the incident than any of the other witnesses and that he maybe withholding information that could take the case
forward. But that's all I have, a hunch. I could be wrong.

No I haven't done anything in depth although I gave a brief mention from Andrew (to you Albert) Pike's work.

Pike found that the dripping molten metal effect that Halt reported was a discharge effect that had been reported as far back as the 1920s. This was
reproduced using charged plates which looked as if water was running off them when in fact it was an illusion caused by the electric charges. Reports
of plasma balls have been seen popping out of the ground for centuries and sightings of airborne blue spheres dated back to the 1880s in journals like
Nature.

I am not convinced on Paget's theory. The trees in the forest were going to be cut down anyway before the incident and there was no evidence of 'iron'
on the trees or on the ground when Halt and his team investigated. Although I also concede he probably wasn't looking for it either.

I believe there are people who know more about Rendlesham and the real truth has never been revealed. UFO events rarely continue for hours let alone 3
consecutive days. (Let's also not forget the events earlier in 1980 and the sighting by Steve La Plume in early Jan 1981 at the base which is
recounted in the first few pages of the thread).

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