About This Room

Its difficult to find all the relevant material for the various counter-Sharia movements, and some items like Youtube videos, are deliberately 'hidden' by opposing groups using misleading search tags. Hence this room is to collect these records for historical and research purposes, for everyone concerned, including both journalists and activists.

As regards members of 4F, by all means post brief corrections to these reports as comments, but if you wish to start a lengthy discussion, its best to do it elsewhere, like in the UK Room, so that this room can simply act as an objective records repository.

Precisely. And I can't believe, after crying on the tarmac after his embassy hostage fiasco in Iran, that he still dares show his face and be active in the political sphere, dreaming of 'doing good' but just causing a mess, as usual. The man has no shame!

Jimmy Carter says that group dedicated to "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within" is "not anything to be afraid of"

This is perfectly understandable, given the fact that Carter himself gave four of the best years of his life to the work of eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within: January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981.

"Carter says Egyptian military likely to obey will of people," by Collin Eaton for the American-Statesman, February 15:

"I think the Muslim Brotherhood is not anything to be afraid of in the upcoming (Egyptian) political situation and the evolution I see as most likely," Carter said. "They will be subsumed in the overwhelming demonstration of desire for freedom and true democracy."

The Muslim Brothers "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." -- "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Bro...," by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.

Carter's problem is one he shares with numerous American analysts: he assumes that the Egyptian people are all Jeffersonians in potencia, just waiting for their chance to establish a pluralistic multiparty democracy guaranteeing equality of rights for all. It never seems to occur to him, or to any of the other analysts who assume this, that what one person may mean by "freedom" may be quite different from what another person means by it. It may be -- indeed, it is likely -- that many Egyptians who speak of "freedom" mean freedom to implement Sharia fully in their society, and "democracy" as the means to that end.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 1. SP Freedom of SpeechAny speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms2. SP Freedom of ElectionAny party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms3. SP Freedom from Voter ImportationImmigration is allowed -except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"