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Settled Science?

Original post made
by Terry Phillips, another community,
on Jan 29, 2014

To those who claim that it's "settled" science that the world is heating up, they should consider the dispute taking place within NASA. For years, NASA has been pushing the global warming theory. But nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists -- including the ex-boss of the Johnson Space Center-- claim the agency is on the wrong side of science and must change course or ruin the reputation of the world's top space agency.

In a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, they said he and the agency should "refrain from including unproven remarks" supporting global warming in the media.

In their letter, the group said that thousands of years of data challenge modern-day claims that man-made carbon dioxide is causing climate change.

"With hundreds of well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming particularly from (NASA's) Goddard Institute for Space Studies leadership, it is clear that the science is not settled," they wrote.

"We feel that NASA's advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a through study of the possible overwhelming impact of natural climate drivers is inappropriate," they wrote. At risk is damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA's current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself."

The letter was signed by seven Apollo astronauts, a deputy associate administrator, several scientists, and even the deputy director of the space shuttle program.

"The globally-averaged temperature for 2013 tied as the fourth warmest year since record keeping began in 1880. It also marked the 37th consecutive year with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average annual temperature was 1976. Including 2013, all 13 years of the 21st century (2001-2013) rank among the 15 warmest in the 134-year period of record. The three warmest years on record are 2010, 2005, and 1998."

Truth Den has a very short horizon as he is likely getting his data from the global warming alarmists. In 7,000 out of the last 10,000 years the earth was warmer than it is today.

Given that the Earth emerged from a little ice age in the middle of the 19th century, of course it is going to be warmer today. But tracking the planet over the long horizon, the Earth is well within the normal range.

It is all about the Research Scientists feeding at the Government trough for research dollars. Our tax dollars are being wasted to have more Government control over our lives.

"it is all about the Research Scientists feeding at the Government trough for research dollars."

hahahahahahaha.... that's 'rich'.

Really? And here I thought the big money was from the extraction industry (coal, oil, the Koch brothers, etc..) funding deniers/fakers in so-called think tanks like Heartland (aka "biositutes") so they can continue without sensible regulation.

So a scientist (a literal "thousand-er") is the one at the federal trough, yet the millionaires in Big Oil EARN their billions in federal subsidies?

Uh-huh. Who's drinking the kool-aid now?

Those greedy research scientists! I'm going to tell my kids to grow up and be a research scientist so they can "feed at the Government trough" and become a thousand-er!!

"The climate trends are overwhelming. Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week.
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But climate scientists are 95% to 100% sure that human activity  emission of greenhouse gases  is the dominant cause of dramatic warming. That warming is already raising sea levels, acidifying oceans, melting glaciers and intensifying heat waves, downpours, droughts and wildfires. January's cold snap has caused plenty of misery. The damage will only be compounded if it becomes an excuse for yet another year of denial and delay in addressing climate dangers."

The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) refuses to adapt the Hypothesis to match the data as is required of any research based on Scientific Data. When the Hypothesis is cast in stone and the data is manipulated or redefined to support the Hypothesis, what you have is an 'Agenda', not Research based on Scientific Data Metrics.

Purveyors of such flawed 'Science' are selling a 'Problem' for which we must buy their 'Snake Oil' to repair the damage allegedly caused by man. Better science comes from smoking marijuana, drinking Electric Kool Aid, and tossing and reading the medicine man's magic bones.

So here are a few facts:

1)There has been no global warming for past 15 years.

2) Half of the global warming that has already taken place happened before 1940, when the world's population was less than half of what it is now.

3) Sea levels are rising only at the same rate as since the last ice age.

4) There has been no increase in any type of weather event.

5) Temperatures today are not unprecedented and it was at least as warm 1,000 yrs ago

So, the global warming that isn't happening is caused by man. How convenient! I guess one could sniff that horse manure enough to believe it is a pizza, if you're on the receiving end of our taxpayer money to prove what is obviously false.

- Fact: "Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week."

Raw temperature data show that U.S. temperatures were significantly warmer during the 1930s than they are today. In fact, raw temperature data show an 80-year cooling trend. NOAA is only able to claim that we are experiencing the hottest temperatures on record by doctoring the raw temperature data.

Doctoring real-world temperature data is as much a part of the alarmist playbook as is calling skeptical scientists at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, NASA, NOAA, etc., "anti-science." Faced with the embarrassing fact that real-world temperature readings don't show any U.S. warming during the past 80 years, the alarmists who oversee the collection and reporting of the data simply erase the actual readings and substitute their own desired readings in their place. If this shocks you, you are not alone.

The bureaucracy at NOAA and NASA who report the U.S. temperature data undertake what they term "correcting" the raw data. These corrections are not just one-time affairs, either. As time goes by, older temperature readings are systematically and repeatedly made cooler, and then cooler still, and then cooler still, while more recent temperature readings are made warmer, and then warmer still, and then warmer still.

Science blogger Steven Goddard at Real Science has posted temperature comparison charts showing just how dramatically the NOAA and NASA bureaucrats have doctored the U.S. temperature data during the past several decades. As the before-and-after temperature charts show, government bureaucrats with power and funding at stake have turned a striking long-term temperature decline (as revealed by the real-world data), into a striking long-term temperature increase.

We have record Ice in the Antarctic and a hugh increase of ice in the Arctic.

Dr. Judith Curry, Chair of Earth and Atmospheric Science at Georgia Tech said "Attention in the public debate seems to be moving away from the 15-17 year 'pause' to the cooling since 2002 (note: I am receiving inquiries about this from journalists). This period since 2002 is scientifically interesting, since it coincides with the 'climate shift' circa 2001/2002 posited by Tsonis and others. This shift and the subsequent slight cooling trend provides a rationale for inferring a slight cooling trend over the next decade or so, rather than a flat trend from the 15 yr 'pause'".

Meanwhile in the U.S. in January 2014 we had 4,406 record cold temperatures vs. 1,259 record warm temperatures. We also had 1.073 snowfall records shattered.

The features driving the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere winters are the Sun powered Jet streams and Blocking Highs now called Polar Vortex's by the media. These steer the Jet Streams and the weather systems within them in deep meanders across the Globe. Where a Southerly Jet stream brings warmth and moisture to high latitude location such as Alaska and Southern Norway the warmest will shout about AGW and how bad CO2 is. This stream of moisture then cools as it loops south and drops as rain/snow as it turns into a northerly over the Mid West US, Central Europe and Asia, dumping many Inches of snow. No mention of this is made in the press, its just weather and a bad winter. We could have 15 more winters or so of these to cope with. The next item for suppression is that Alpine Glaciers in Europe and Asia have started to expand and increase in the depth of ice in them.

Let's see what folks think of the good Dr Curry, seen here, jumping the shark: Web Link

"She's really building up quite a history of throwing up vague or demonstrably wrong claims, then running away when shown to be wrong. Here on the no-feedback climate sensitivity, for example. Gryposaurus took her to task here on aerosols and D&A (based partly on comments from Gavin) and found her response lacking. Here is Eric Steig refuting her absurd claim about the IPCC that "they will tolerate no dissent, and seek to trample and discredit anyone who challenges the IPCC." Her eventual response (which had to be dragged out of her through repeated challenges that she kept on ducking) was merely to dismiss it as an "anecdote", even though one single case serves to refutes her claim."

Or another more concise response on her denier claims: "The main problem with the paper is the uncritical use of invalid data."

Terry Phillips and 'Skeptic' are apparently unaware that this letter from NASA 'experts' was largely discredited some time ago, that the signatories included among their august ranks non-science administrators, programmer analysts, software quality engineers, the Chairman of the 'Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel' -- with but a few exceptions, that is, this bold group included no one with climate science expertise. Sources documenting this sorry sham are rife on the web; here is but one (two articles, one source):

As for her climate claims, notice how she just makes them up, with no substantiation.

>>>> "Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the
>>>> 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National
>>>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week."

The AGW Kool Aid drinkers are really hilarious. NOAA's raw data shows that there is a general cooling trend. When NOAA adjusted the data it was all skewed to lower the temperatures in the early part of the 20th century and raise in in the later part. If it were objective the adjusted data would have no discernible pattern.

To put it bluntly NOAA is cooking the books. Imagine that! Our Government lying to us. Who would have thought?

Meanwhile Lake Superior has broken a 20 year record for ice cover. Lake Superior is now 92% covered with ice. Most liekly the New York Times will print some goofy explanation that says AGW is responsible for the Great Lakes freeze.

>>>> "Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the
>>>> 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National
>>>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week."

Just like Mitt Romney and Fox, Skep is determined to UN-SKEW the numbers!! (of course, always in favor of his conspiracy theory, and just like Mitt, he's wrong.)

How did un-skewing the math work out for Mitt? Sure was fun watching Karl Rove on Fox on election night, with ka-ka-ka-ka-Karl stammering about how his math was correct and everyone else was wrong (even better, the real numbers show Mr 47% got exactly that - 47%, on his way to a blow-out loss.)

Seriously, picking a random weather event as your so-called evidence borders on stupidity: you pick the ice on Superior but ignore the massive droughts elsewhere, and record heat waves in the Southern Hemisphere.

Skep - there is a difference between climate and weather. Please, just ask your 5th grader to look it up for you!

Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Feb 8, 2014 at 2:06 pm

weath·er noun \ˈwe-thər\

: the state of the air and atmosphere at a PARTICULAR TIME and PLACE: the temperature and other outside conditions (such as rain, cloudiness, etc.) at a particular time and place

climate noun (Concise Encyclopedia)

Condition of the atmosphere at a particular location OVER a LONG PERIOD of TIME (from one month to many millions of years, but generally 30 years). Climate is the sum of atmospheric elements (and their variations): solar radiation, temperature, humidity, clouds and precipitation (type, frequency, and amount), atmospheric pressure, and wind (speed and direction). To the nonspecialist, climate means expected or habitual weather at a particular place and time of year. To the specialist, climate also denotes the degree of variability of weather, and it includes not only the atmosphere but also the hydrosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and such extraterrestrial factors as the sun. See also urban climate.

Can't understand why skeptic has such a hard time with the difference between weather and climate.

Poor Skep! She loves to list weather incidents in the US and then claim it as evidence of GLOBAL CLIMATE change.

Fact:

>>>> "Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the
>>>> 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National
>>>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week."

She read another weather report, and YET AGAIN, she mistook extreme "weather" for "climate"!

After all the work her 5th grader put in to teach her the difference.... <sigh>....

>>>> "Earth had its fourth-warmest year on record in 2013, and all of the
>>>> 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1998, the National
>>>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported last week."

As often as not one has to look to foreign newspapers to get the truth. In Great Britain's The Mail, the headline on September 14 was "Global warming just HALF what we said: World's top climate scientists admit computers got the effects of greenhouse gases wrong." A leaked copy of the IPCC report revealed "scientific forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong."

Well, of course, they were wrong. The so-called "science" on which they were based was idiotic. It focused primarily on carbon dioxide (CO2) and other so-called "greenhouse gases," claiming they were trapping heat while being produced by all manner of human activity related to generating energy with coal, oil, and natural gas.

Dr. Martin Hertzberg, Ph,D, co-author of "Slaying the Sky Dragon  Death of the Greenhouse Gas Theory," summed it up neatly, pointing out that water vapor in the Earth's atmosphere is a primary factor affecting climate long term and weather short term.

"The determinant of weather is mainly water in all its forms," said Dr. Herzberg, "as vapor in the atmosphere, in its heat transport by evaporation and condensation, as the enormous circulating mass of liquid ocean whose heat capacity and mass/energy transport dominate the motions of our atmosphere and the precipitation from it, and finally as cloud, snow, and ice cover which influence the radiative balance between the Sun, the Earth, and free Space."

As you try to wrap your mind around that explanation, just think about the way the Earth goes through regular seasons as well as predictable cycles of warming and cooling. It has done this now for some 4.5 billion years.

Can't find the fake news domestically, so @skeptic goes to the DAILY MAIL! About the Daily Mail (note she does not call it the DAILY Mail, just the Mail):

"The Daily Mail (aka, Daily Fail, Daily Heil, Daily Moan and so on), is a reactionary tabloid rag masquerading as a "traditional values," middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the worst of the British gutter press (only Rupert Murdoch's Sun is worse). Its weighty Sunday counterpart is the Mail on Sunday.

The Daily Mail is to the U.K. what the New York Post is to the United States, and what the Drudge Report is to the Internet: to wit, gossipy tabloid "journalism" for those who cannot digest serious news, with a flippantly wingnut editorial stance."

Wow.

N eed more proof - click on the Daily Mail lead story of the day Web Link

Today's LEAD NEWS?

"'Just so you all know America's Sweetheart is a B***H': Bitter final tweets of Julia Roberts' troubled half-sister who claimed family abandoned her in days before she died from apparent overdose"

The harm the global warming hoax has done and continues to do is best seen in the efforts of the Environmental Protection Agency to wipe out the coal industry based entirely on the lie that CO2 is a "pollutant." When the House Energy & Commerce Committee held a hearing on the Obama administration's climate policies thirteen agencies were invited to testify, but the administration provided only EPA administrator Gina McCarty and Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz. Moniz read a prepared statement that was one long lie about global warming. Presumably he was under oath.

Ms. McCarty, the latest in a long line of environmental fanatics to run the agency, was forced under questioning to admit that current and proposed greenhouse gas regulations are not there to protect the public but to influence "the international community" to reduce their CO2 and other alleged emissions. Not only do the regulations have no basis in science, but they exist to keep the environmental war on energy use going and to pressure developing nations such as China and India.

Last summer the citizens of Australia rose up and threw out the politicians who imposed a "carbon" tax on them. The new prime minister has shut down the "climate ministry" that existed to enforce it. Good on them.

The EPA used to protect the environment. Now it is just a bully pulpit to give environmental wackos more control over our lives. We have less freedom and we have to pay more money for more restrictions on our lives. Throw the bums out!

The EPA (created by republican Richard Nixon) has been neutered over the years to the point they are almost useless - witness all the devastation in West Virgina with Big Coal wiping out the drinking water supplies of much of the state.

Note the thread above, how @skeptic just wanders from post to post, with every fact-less rant refuted, followed by @skeptic making another unrelated post without substantiation. Many are just copy and paste from fringe websites, posted without thought or simple corrections.

Note most of @skeptic's posts are simple copy and pastes off fringe websites. Do a search on her text, such as "Ms. McCarty, the latest in a long line of environmental fanatics to run the agency, was forced under questioning to admit that current and proposed"...

It's a tell, because many of @skeptic's copy and pastes have the same mistakes as the original fringe poster elsewhere - in this case, they all spell Ms. McCarthy's name incorrectly.

Her name is Gina McCarthy, not McCarty. Web Link That's the tell that shows all the fringe sites and fringe posters like @skeptic are just a bunch of paste monkeys incapable of critical thought, or even the simplest fact checking.

As the poster above states, perhaps @skeptic should get some proofreading help from her 5th grader.

Just vomiting up and pasting the bile from fringe websites (without attribution as required by the terms of this site) is a waste of all our time.

@skeptic: did you find this recent garbage from the tabloid Daily Mail, also? Ha!

So sad. I guess she's due for another post about weather being extreme in some part of the globe.