I think care has to be taken not to self-righteously overly criticize China. China's not perfect but they aren't military expansionists and with an economy still growing at blistering pace (around 10% per year) they clearly are doing something right.

By the end of the decade China should be the world's biggest economy (permanently passing the US). In another 20-40 years its plausible China's economy will be about the size of the EU and America combined.

In short, for the first time in centuries, western nations will no longer dominate. The tide is shifting. In my opinion, the day that China exceeds US GDP (not far away) is the day the torch was passed back to the east. Us round-eyes will soon need to start going to China to adopt their ideas :)

No deal. It is difficult to have a rational debate at the level of competence displayed in your comments.

Trawling the internet to selectively pick websites, copying comments out of their context and pasting them time and again to reinforce a sole directive given to you by your paymasters - that is all you are capable of.

It is very strange that China forbids microblogging for promoting one's own candidature.

In Italy, US and many other countries, without considering the "Arab spring", most political candidates and even main elected politicians and party leaders write posts on the web, which are read by millions of people and reported by official media.

The central government really doesn't care if there are independent candidates.

The local government cares alot because they'll be the ones without a job.

I don't think most people realize that the central government sitting in Beijing isn't all powerful. They control macroeconomy, finance, national defense, print the money, set national goals like 1 child policy, national investments, etc and that's about it. Local governments do the rest. Only half of all tax revenues in China go to the national government; 70% of it does in the US.

The government in Beijing is quite a good one. We all know that from the macroeconomic direction, technological progress and how China hasn't fought a war for 30 years, the longest period China hasn't fought a war in the past 400 years since the Ming Dynasty ended. The government at local levels, as we all also know, is mostly sh!t. They're responsible for most of the problems and social injustice that arise. This is typical for economies with a GDP/capita of 1000-10000 USD. Remember Taiwan in the bad old days? Chiang Kai Shek = Cash My Check? Or South Korea? Philippines and India even today? Brazil?

Only the miracle of religion has prevented this country finding no problems when you can get a man like Mao elected (???) tpo power with no recourse.
How can you not be ashamed of a system where the people in power help to hide each others corrupt activities , with the help of heavy censorship, and they only choose leaders amongst themselves , so this corruption will never be exposed ???

Spot on - We have no problems in discussing India's problems , and in fact a lot of the Indian Diaspora sent off a petition to the Indian Government about setting up an Ombudsman for Corruption.

Is there One Chinese blogger who can say that they sent off a petetion for the sake of releasing Wei Wei , or about the heavy handed way that they have been dealing with protesters , or about censorship ?

I say that it is cowardly to sit on your laurels when there are real patriots taking the risks - and specially if you draw attention away from your problems by pointing out some-one elses' problems.

Hi Mr.Agent. We haven't been taught on encountering points put forward by brainwashed people or trolls. I'm guessing your employers are very efficient at what they teach you?
How could you answer this?"

Here's the answer: By your own logic, you yourself are paid by the CIA.

Hi Mr.Agent. We haven't been taught on encountering points put forward by brainwashed people or trolls. I'm guessing your employers are very efficient at what they teach you?
How could you answer this?"

Here's the answer: By your own logic, you yourself are paid by the CIA.

‘@Devil'sAdvocate, I can find a THOUSAND good points about India over the internet, and a THOUSAND bad points about China over the internet,’

Of course you can and any idiot can. but if you want to start a dirty laundry competition. Here is a post fresh from a fellow indian ( wrote:Jun 17th 2011 7:32 GMT) to help you. (check it out, but aren't you ashamed to read the following post if you are indian?)

‘Countries are being recognized as great powers if they repeatedly proof to deliver. Except for a successful IT service Industry, India has in the eyes of other countries failed to deliver (China would be the right comparison as both started from a similar base scenario in the 1950s).

Today our so called democracy resembles anarchy where only the fittest survive.

The state of this country becomes very clear by looking at what is happening on Indian roads. There is almost no sense for community and therefore each participant only looks for his short term benefit. This results in the world’s highest number of road accidents and in the incredible high number of at least 118.000 deaths per year (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-02-24/india/28135664_1_...).

Our country is unable to provide security to her people (see e.g. Bombay attacks in 2008) and the entire world felt sorry for the victims and ashamed for the inability of India to deliver a fast solution to the attacks.

As long as India is not able raise the majority of her people to a minimum (western) living standard it will not be regarded as a great power by the world and hence will not be a great power. India may produce some reliable individuals who deliver in their respective fields but compared to China, which is delivering from sports over culture to business and military strength I do not see my country becoming a great power within the next 30-40 years.’

[SO! People attack China! GET OVER IT MATE! You are way too sensitive. The Chinese want to be a world power, then start to accept that that entails more news and more scrutiny. Otherwise stay as a small power like Oz.]

THAT, I think is what you should tell yourself and others. YOU guys are too sensitive. All that I did was to point out ONE simple fact in response to someone's opinion and that already me too sensitive and aggressive? I don't get it!

[And moneyvriksh didn't attack China, but expressed an opinion. The article was about China and people are going to discuss China.
Fight facts or opinions with alternate facts or opinions - not by changing the subject to avoid it.]

I gave my opinion that China should NOT follow India's example. Now, tell why it is so unacceptable? Why does China have to imitate India? By the way, I DON'T think India should imitate China either. India should take its OWN road to modernity.

[It was you that attacked. So India has poverty and malnutrition. WOW big friggin deal..... you have posted it so often it isn't like anyone one here can miss it!]

So, pointing out that "India has poverty and malnutrition", which are a well known facts, is an attack? But when others attack china, they are merely expressing their "opinions"? Why don't you just said what you really mean, that "the Chinese should know their place and not talk back"!

[Feel better now?
More superior?
Is China a better place now?
Has democracy flourished now that you have compared how bad a neighbour has it?
If you can only argue or feel better about your country because there is always someone worse off or more dysfunctional.... then kudos to you.
As for me, I welcome it. I would love my country to emulate others more. I think we can learn stacks from other countries. The infrastructure ambitions of the Chinese government would be AWESOME. The social policies of the Scandinavians would be a perfect fit. Perhaps even the certainty of the Indians, that for all their problems they still believe that their country is destined for something better.]

I already know all that above. What you need to do is to tell your story to those on the other side of the fence.

The Chinese feel better than they were yesteryear but that doesn't mean that they "feel superior". If you read my posts carefully, you should find that I emphasise China's backwardness and poverty. It is the West and other democrazies [sic] that feel superior to China and have the urge to demonise China. Why can you see things the way they really are?

[You don't seem to believe that your country is destined for something better because you never debate on how it can do better or improve.... ]

China is already doing better and better everyday but it should not be complacent about it. Nor should it take some people's hostile jealousy and offer the other face.

[just how much better it is than the poor country next door.]

I hope that the Chinese will NOT be accused of chauvinism The Chinese really do NOT care about "the poor country next door". What concerns the Chinese is try to achieve the most of China's own potential, NOT to prevent other people to accomplish what they are capable of.

The problem is that some people see China having just this little ambition constitutes an offence against their OWN dignity!

[Samkaie wrote:
Jun 18th 2011 10:00 GMT
@DevilsAdvocate
You want to discuss? Please bring forward more credible websites, rather than basic chinese forums set up by your unnerving government.
I can't imagine how you'd be in real life, seriously. Are you really that dumb?]

If you want more websites you can go and find them. I only need to bring forward one to counter YOUR "China believes in eugenics" allegation, and that have already unnerved you so much that you need to "find a THOUSAND good points about India over the internet, and a THOUSAND bad points about China over the internet". Why should I "waste my time into getting into a baseless argument with YOU"?;-D, ;-D, ...

We have a saying here: "If everyone else was jumping off the Westgate Bridge, would you?"

SO! People attack China! GET OVER IT MATE! You are way too sensitive. The Chinese want to be a world power, then start to accept that that entails more news and more scrutiny. Otherwise stay as a small power like Oz.

And moneyvriksh didn't attack China, but expressed an opinion. The article was about China and people are going to discuss China.

Fight facts or opinions with alternate facts or opinions - not by changing the subject to avoid it.

It was you that attacked. So India has poverty and malnutrition. WOW big friggin deal..... you have posted it so often it isn't like anyone one here can miss it!

Feel better now?
More superior?
Is China a better place now?
Has democracy flourished now that you have compared how bad a neighbour has it?

If you can only argue or feel better about your country because there is always someone worse off or more dysfunctional.... then kudos to you.

As for me, I welcome it. I would love my country to emulate others more. I think we can learn stacks from other countries. The infrastructure ambitions of the Chinese government would be AWESOME. The social policies of the Scandinavians would be a perfect fit. Perhaps even the certainty of the Indians, that for all their problems they still believe that their country is destined for something better.

You don't seem to believe that your country is destined for something better because you never debate on how it can do better or improve.... just how much better it is than the poor country next door.