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I referred to this flying as "jumping" in my previous post. For now we do not know whether she can fly, in the pictures 3 other Claymores are in the air too.

Spoiler for So your saying...:

Well, I see the argument I suppose

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Originally Posted by yononaka

Apparently "I prefer" was not enough of a hint that what followed was an opinion.

SSUUURREEE........

You missed my point I suppose but whatever. No point in hammering in again why I felt your stated opinion was so odd I just couldn't believe it. Trying to avoid needless arguing atm... lets all just laugh at Hysteria's form instead.

@Ryus
For now she didn't change direction in the air and she wasn't even at the height that was impossible for other Claymores (not only Miria but also two other Claymores could reach that height with ease). In chapter 106 (one page before last) we have another example of AB "flying" (along with Miria). Also her wings seem way to small to allow her fly but:
a) it's manga
b) if they can increase their mass maybe they can decrease it (so if she had the same mass as a Claymore even such small wings could probably allow her to fly)
c) it's manga

But like I said, for now it looks like jumping to me although since she has wings Yagi will probably make her a flying AB. Which I don't see as an asset when it comes to fighting. Escaping yes, but fighting? It looked to me she was faster as a Claymore than she is now.

You missed my point I suppose but whatever. No point in hammering in again why I felt your stated opinion was so odd I just couldn't believe it. Trying to avoid needless arguing atm... lets all just laugh at Hysteria's form instead.

Seriously Ryus, cut the crap. In what world do statements like "it has a mood and a cool to it" represent facts, not subjective impressions? I'm not sure what "point" I missed beyond you not sharing my opinion, unless you thought my opinions were facts because you think yours are... In any case, I'm out of there.

nothing of Roxanne exists in her awakened form - not in appearance or ability. If Yagi didn't tell us it was Roxanne I would have no idea who she was.

Since when does awakened form reflect on Claymore appearance or ability? What does a butterfly have to do with a drill-sword or bad-ass Jean? Or a centaur with Isley? Or spaghetti with Riful (;P)? Or an awakened with a horn and wings with Priscilla? Even if there are some ABs that somewhat resemble their former selves it's not a rule.

@Ryus
For now she didn't change direction in the air and she wasn't even at the height that was impossible for other Claymores (not only Miria but also two other Claymores could reach that height with ease). In chapter 106 (one page before last) we have another example of AB "flying" (along with Miria). Also her wings seem way to small to allow her fly but:
a) it's manga
b) if they can increase their mass maybe they can decrease it (so if she had the same mass as a Claymore even such small wings could probably allow her to fly)
c) it's manga

But like I said, for now it looks like jumping to me although since she has wings Yagi will probably make her a flying AB. Which I don't see as an asset when it comes to fighting. Escaping yes, but fighting? It looked to me she was faster as a Claymore than she is now.

Not disagreeing, just kinda meant to imply I never thought about it until you said it. You could be very right... after all the ghosts are looking forward, not up so clearly she's landed again

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Spoiler for OT @Ryus:

Seriously Ryus, cut the crap. In what world do statements like "it has a mood and a cool to it" represent facts, not subjective impressions? I'm not sure what "point" I missed beyond you not sharing my opinion, unless you thought my opinions were facts because you think yours are... In any case, I'm out of there.

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Head spinning from us running around each others words in circles

Apparently we're just worlds apart on this. I meant what i said in my first reply and you apparently just got "lost in translation" after the second due to something that was my fault, so I'll start again. But to clarify my comment "But you just stated an opinion based on tastes as fact..." was meant as your comment about one disliking the ch 121 pic as a "thrown-together "family picture"" was an opinion (based on your stated personal tastes) as the only pic that can be viewed that way. I was going to point out how the other pic could be viewed the same way again but just choose to laugh it off instead and I'm sorry for confusing you as a result of my complete failure to give my comment any context

Annyways starting again, I'm sorry but I just found everything you said after the "I prefer" so ridiculous that I really wasn't sure if you where being serious. I mean you still haven't said what makes it better other than your dislike of Helen's face in the other and the family clash (which doesn't make much sense either other than the outfits not matching since we know where there all's allegiances really lie with each other no matter that one group is new additions or not)... but lets face it we all know the face Helen is making under the robe is the same in both pics and both images represent "protecting family" to the extreme. Which is the point I was making. The very idea of that entire fight was Nakama when you get right down to it.

The first pic has the advantage of hiding most of the faces except Clare's stoic face giving it the disguise of lack of sisterhood (but we should all know better sisterhood is just what Clare's face and words where all about) and the second has way superior art (the scaling of the ghosts in the Holy City pic is horrid) and at least there is the threat of actually beating up Miria too after the fight. In short both pics are bad but imho if you dislike one for sisterhood/family but not the other then you missed the point of both pics. So what if pic 2 has ghosts and non ghosts. Which is why I gave the "Not sure if serious" reply.

I mean no offense to your opinion but since you kept pointing out the error of me having a difference of opinion and confused reaction to yours, I felt it only fair to me to first fully share that opinion that I tried to shy away from out of respect for your difference of opinion. Since I didn't mean for this to get dragged out this long...

Since Miria attack on MiB HQ Claymore turned from is becoming more and more "shounenish" with each chapter:
1. Main and even secondary characters are immortal.
2. Characters are showing their bravado (cornering with pure stupidity) in almost each page, like they're trying to become martyrs. Before, when a character was doing something heroic she or he did it because of desperation or rage. Now they're acting heroic just to show other how noble they are.
3. Typical shounen "power in friendship" became the main plot device (Miria survival, kids "healing" Raftella etc.)

By standards Yagi was using before chapter 100 all claymores, ghost included, in HQ should be dead already. Miria should be dead twice. They're fighting not against an "typical" no. 1, or "typical" AO but against one of the strongest. Why did they run away from Riful instead of slaughtering her in a few pages? Why warriors, suddenly rebelled against MiBs, just because Miria tried not to kill them? Why almost all characters are suffering now from a hero complex?

And you're asking why I stopped reading Claymore a few months ago? I'm just checking spoilers and still couldn't find a reason to start reading it again...

QFT.

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You mean like the Witch's Maw arc where everyone was magically saved, awakenings became a cheap reversible joke, and characters stupidly showed bravado. Then yes I agree, the Witch's Maw arc in early claymore was pretty shitty >:3

Good to have someone else who hates the shounen standard, especially from early Claymore.

What's that Witch's Maw arc fans? Problem? >:3

You want to get into the same argument AGAIN? Ass-pulls in Witch's maw arc are nowhere near ass-pullness of what happened in chapters 100+. Clare's decision about trying to rescue Jean wasn't such ridiculous either since she couldn't brush off a dying comrade begging her for help and she didn't even know Riful was there. Deneve and Helen went after Isley knowing who he was and now they came knwoing there are more than 3 Isleyes. And Claymores/humans died then and weren't immortal. Now show me one dead Claymore since chapter 74 because I can't remember. What's worse now we do not have 1 abyssal but 3 abyssals who are supposed to be stronger than Riful. Add to this ridiculous rebellion which couldn't happen for over 100 years but happened once Miria came (lol) and broken power levels and you have plenty of reason to not pit these two arcs in the same league.
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About Hysteria not being able to pull the sword out there's also something called inertia in Claymore world. With one of her runnings and stoppings it should have fallen off.

You want to get into the same argument AGAIN? Ass-pulls in Witch's maw arc are nowhere near ass-pullness of what happened in chapters 100+. And Claymores/humans died then and weren't immortal. Now show me one dead Claymore since chapter 74 because I can't remember. What's worse now we do not have 1 abyssal but 3 abyssals who are supposed to be stronger than Riful. Add to this ridiculous rebellion which couldn't happen for over 100 years but happened once Miria came (lol) and broken power levels and you have plenty of reason to not pit these two arcs in the same league.

But Hysteria has a sword stuck in her throat

(overlooks every other asspull save this arc, so as to pretend to be serious)

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About Hysteria not being able to pull the sword out there's also something called inertia in Claymore world. With one of her runnings and stoppings it should have fallen off.

Since when does awakened form reflect on Claymore appearance or ability? What does a butterfly have to do with a drill-sword or bad-ass Jean? Or a centaur with Isley? Or spaghetti with Riful (;P)? Or an awakened with a horn and wings with Priscilla? Even if there are some ABs that somewhat resemble their former selves it's not a rule.

Yeah, we know, we're not stupid like Rachel :P But what we want is an explanation of the ridicule ABeing form of Hysteria. She looks like a weak insect with no defense and less style! If she cannot eat, then you just need to push that sword to kill her, and given the fact that she's unable to push that sword with her cockroach tentacles, she's unable to reach Miria is she attackes in that spot.

Probably Hysteria is going to be killed without even fighting. The fight between the other two is going to throw some rocks, one of them is going to impact the sword and that is how Hysti the elegant cockroach will be defeated. Or maybe Raki will do something.

Yeah, we know, we're not stupid like Rachel :P But what we want is an explanation of the ridicule ABeing form of Hysteria. She looks like a weak insect with no defense and less style! If she cannot eat, then you just need to push that sword to kill her, and given the fact that she's unable to push that sword with her cockroach tentacles, she's unable to reach Miria is she attackes in that spot.

QFT

Spoiler for If I was Miria there I would have agreed, then gone and done this...:

But what we want is an explanation of the ridicule ABeing form of Hysteria. She looks like a weak insect with no defense and less style! If she cannot eat, then you just need to push that sword to kill her, and given the fact that she's unable to push that sword with her cockroach tentacles, she's unable to reach Miria is she attackes in that spot.

With that I won't argue and completely agree. Shieky and WSK were saying something else though.

I don't care about looks/aesthetics as long as the story is good and characters feel real, act consistently and receive proper character development. And to be honest recently only the art is still on a relatively high level. I'm not surprised that Arturro has put reading Claymore on hold.

Hysteria can always revert back to human form and remove the sword from her throat and retransform again...
Also, I hope her current form isn't her definite form and it only looks like that because the sword is making her unable to fully transform...because she looks pretty damn ugly for an AO

Maybe current form of 'Hysteria the Ellegant' is not her REAL form. I am almost sure, that this form is a disgusting 'fake doll' just like that that one which 'Destroyer Rafaella/Luciella" has. Knowing Yagi stile, he needs an another climax for 'Hysteria vs Claymores' battle. Hysteria's current state doesn't look like she can do something against 'united forces' of Ghosts. This form can't be her real form. I am sure, that when one of Ghosts(probably Helen with her 'drill sword', because she acts before she thinks), I am sure, that when one of Ghosts will destroy Hysteria's head, Hysterias real form will be revealed. For now, Hysteria the AO doesn't need to be even a little serious. Miria and 'claymores bunch' were for Hysteria like an insects, like a trash. Now she have against her people who experienced fight vs abyssal ones (Riful, Isley) or powerful AB (Agatha, Riguardo), even if they didn't kill them, they had grown. Everyone are experienced and determinated. Even if they cannot kill her, she needs to be serious to win against them.

Roxy form is awesome, her blades resemble those of Beth.

Sorry, I am going to work, so I end my post here. I shouldn't write in the morning, but I am full of thoughts about this chapter.

You want to get into the same argument AGAIN? Ass-pulls in Witch's maw arc are nowhere near ass-pullness of what happened in chapters 100+. Clare's decision about trying to rescue Jean wasn't such ridiculous either since she couldn't brush off a dying comrade begging her for help and she didn't even know Riful was there. Deneve and Helen went after Isley knowing who he was and now they came knwoing there are more than 3 Isleyes. And Claymores/humans died then and weren't immortal. Now show me one dead Claymore since chapter 74 because I can't remember. What's worse now we do not have 1 abyssal but 3 abyssals who are supposed to be stronger than Riful. Add to this ridiculous rebellion which couldn't happen for over 100 years but happened once Miria came (lol) and broken power levels and you have plenty of reason to not pit these two arcs in the same league.

Hehehe Gooral, I wrote it on purpose knowing it would rile some. I thought the mischievous lion faces( >:3 ) would be enough of an indicator that I have no serious intent behind the conversation.

But oh yeah the Witch's arc was sooo much better when no one important died, awakening became a cheap joke, and it was solved by shounen magic. Yep it was sooo superiorrrr. >:3

Since when does awakened form reflect on Claymore appearance or ability? What does a butterfly have to do with a drill-sword or bad-ass Jean? Or a centaur with Isley? Or spaghetti with Riful (;P)? Or an awakened with a horn and wings with Priscilla? Even if there are some ABs that somewhat resemble their former selves it's not a rule.

We went into this in further detail if you look further back though; I'd pull specific things/quotes, but it's much better to just read the conversation in it's entirety because it's a good one.

Point blank though, many many factors go into how a person turns out -- it's beyond their control, but everything from their personality/power/technique, to perhaps even their state-of-mind/how they fancy themselves/etc....but it's always with a darker corrupted twist, since they are awakening after all (so the idea of Teresa becoming something purely angelic didn't sound right to me -- even if that matched her personality, which it doesn't, she would still have that darker twist as she is becoming a monster; the comparison I brought up is to what Galadriel said in Lord of the Rings if she possessed the One Ring ).
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Roflmao, love all the Hysteria T-Rex jokes...that she can look so ridiculous and not have arms just makes her look funnier . That said, Yagi could save himself from this with what Milla Genai just said -- that this isn't her "true" form....heck; since considering the very nature of their revival, the fact that their Awakening was forced....it could easily be said that this is like getting infected with the parasites - this isn't their true form; wouldn't surprise me if that ended up happening.

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I do agree though that Hysteria can't fly...I mean if she can, it's gonna look/be awkward as hell considering her appearance, so at best, she could probably "hover" or have limited flight to some degree.....if she has the same true flight though like Priscilla, the fact that it's a manga will be the only explanation - I don't care how powerful she is, something as ridiculous looking as her Awakened form has no excuse other then "she just can".

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Argh, guess the release date didn't work out my schedule this time either... I blame the weekdays since I'm at work.

Anyways, back to chapter discussion... I think Yagi's lost. Even though I did like the chapter because of the ghosts stepping in (mind blown), so far we've only seen stupid sexual innuendos/insect formed like ABs that don't "fit" the scene. Jeez, I don't know whether Yagi's just ran out of decent ABs he can think of and he's kinda rushing out the end, so he can bring Clare/Priscilla back.

Btw, I do wonder if the ghosts will even have a chance to take out Hysteria head on... Even though theirs only one AB (since Cassandra and Roxanne are fighting), even Miria was no match to her in sheer power/abilities. And now she's awakened..

ROFL at the beauty obssessed witch transformed to a fly-legged Teresa/Clare statue