Umunna accuses Farage of distortion

Shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna has accused Nigel Farage of "maliciously" distorting the immigration debate - but warned that public concerns on the issue cannot be ignored.

The MP also cautioned Labour against taking too much pleasure in the collapse of the Liberal Democrats, saying voters are sick of politicians attacking each other rather than working to improve Britain.

The comments came in a speech to Blairite think-tank Progress, as activists digest the implications of last week's local and European election results.

Labour gained 300 councillors and boosted its number of MEPs, but saw Ukip thwart its progress in key target areas and even make gains in traditional party heartlands.

Mr Umunna told Progress's annual conference today that Britons would be "watching carefully" to see how Labour responds to the polls.

But he suggested that apathy, rather than Ukip, could be the main challenge at next May's general election.

"Ukip topped the poll in the European elections," Mr Umunna said. "I don't like that but that is what happened and we must respect the result. But the British people will now watch carefully how we respond and what we say and do for the next 11 months before deciding whether and how to vote next year.

"I say 'whether' because two thirds of them did not turn out to vote this time. It is our duty as democrats to do all we can to get people voting."

Mr Umunna went on: "The easy thing would be to rejoice in the Lib Dems' discomfort, as the biggest losers.

"They have been wiped out in large swathes of the country.

"The best friend of the man I shadow (Business Secretary Vince Cable) has provided plenty of copy trying and failing spectacularly to get Vince installed as their leader.

"But, the people we represent could not care less about Matthew Oakeshott, the ups and downs, the Westminster soap opera.

"The sense that we are more concerned with political partisanship than their concerns is partly why some voted Ukip in the first place - we cannot afford to forget that. So in our response let's focus on the people not us."

The Streatham MP said too many people in Britain were plagued by "uncertainty" over jobs and money, and felt "powerless in the face of huge change".

"That's why Ukip topped the poll. Like all history's successful ideologues, they tapped into that feeling of being out of control and have given people an easy explanation for it and something and someone to blame," he said.

"With a deliberate and maliciously distorted analysis of immigrants and our sovereignty, they have made Europe and immigration the problem.

"At the same time they have capitalised on people's increasing distrust of politics and other institutions in society by claiming they are a force against the establishment.

"I smile at this because Nigel Farage became an MEP over 15 years ago when many of my intake of MPs were still at university! But his anti establishment shtick has worked.

"But the issues people are worried about are real. Their causes are complex and are far more fundamental than Europe.

"Some are the consequences of progress - think of how the trends of outsourcing, automation and robosourcing can drive inequality.

"Some reflect the deficiencies of our government and politics - short-termism, short-sightedness, the power of special interests.

"And all of these challenges would present themselves whether we were in or out of Europe.

"Now you can pose with a pint, drink loads of beer and smoke loads of cigarettes, till you keel over, for the benefit of the cameras, but that does not mean you have the solutions to these problems. In many ways the policies they occasionally cite will actually exacerbate the problems."

Mr Umunna said the UK had to be "open and engaged with the world".

"Europe isn't perfect. We know that. But it isn't the main problem. If we give up on it, our consequent reduced influence on the world stage - economically and politically - will become a very big problem. If we work at it, it can be part of the solution to problems I've described," he added.

Comments

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.cosmick

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

Score: 5

Viva Trowvegas
4:48pm Sat 31 May 14

Typical Labour, banging the immigration drum again and not fully appreciating people who voted UKIP do want a debate and vote on Europe. Not because of the EU migrants, but because they are fed up to the back teeth of faceless unelected fat cats raking in our taxes for what return?

"Europe isn't the main problem" only because there is more than one main problem. Start identifying what those are and addressing them and you'll get there. The national debt you created, lack of real jobs other than zero-hours or minimum wage, nanny state telling us what we can and can't consume, talk of minimum pricing for alcohol followed by cigarettes and food, tax evasion, tax avoidance schemes, ever-increasingly expensive rail links for big business and the rich, increased taxes for the less well-off and decreased taxes for the well-off, bogus asylum seekers and asylum seekers who are not following the rules of going to the next available free state, council houses being handed to people who haven't contributed a bean to the exchequer, etc, etc.

Judging what young Chukka "yet another photogenic career politician" Umunna is saying, Labour's still a long way away at the moment. They really don't seem to get it. Wallow in your ignorance and you'll be in opposition and coalition for a very long time.

Typical Labour, banging the immigration drum again and not fully appreciating people who voted UKIP do want a debate and vote on Europe. Not because of the EU migrants, but because they are fed up to the back teeth of faceless unelected fat cats raking in our taxes for what return?
"Europe isn't the main problem" only because there is more than one main problem. Start identifying what those are and addressing them and you'll get there. The national debt you created, lack of real jobs other than zero-hours or minimum wage, nanny state telling us what we can and can't consume, talk of minimum pricing for alcohol followed by cigarettes and food, tax evasion, tax avoidance schemes, ever-increasingly expensive rail links for big business and the rich, increased taxes for the less well-off and decreased taxes for the well-off, bogus asylum seekers and asylum seekers who are not following the rules of going to the next available free state, council houses being handed to people who haven't contributed a bean to the exchequer, etc, etc.
Judging what young Chukka "yet another photogenic career politician" Umunna is saying, Labour's still a long way away at the moment. They really don't seem to get it. Wallow in your ignorance and you'll be in opposition and coalition for a very long time.Viva Trowvegas

Typical Labour, banging the immigration drum again and not fully appreciating people who voted UKIP do want a debate and vote on Europe. Not because of the EU migrants, but because they are fed up to the back teeth of faceless unelected fat cats raking in our taxes for what return?

"Europe isn't the main problem" only because there is more than one main problem. Start identifying what those are and addressing them and you'll get there. The national debt you created, lack of real jobs other than zero-hours or minimum wage, nanny state telling us what we can and can't consume, talk of minimum pricing for alcohol followed by cigarettes and food, tax evasion, tax avoidance schemes, ever-increasingly expensive rail links for big business and the rich, increased taxes for the less well-off and decreased taxes for the well-off, bogus asylum seekers and asylum seekers who are not following the rules of going to the next available free state, council houses being handed to people who haven't contributed a bean to the exchequer, etc, etc.

Judging what young Chukka "yet another photogenic career politician" Umunna is saying, Labour's still a long way away at the moment. They really don't seem to get it. Wallow in your ignorance and you'll be in opposition and coalition for a very long time.

Score: 9

Jerry61
11:27pm Sat 31 May 14

breamoreboy wrote…

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car
e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?

[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote:
Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.[/p][/quote]I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?[/p][/quote]A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car
e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?Jerry61

breamoreboy wrote…

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car
e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?

Score: 2

welshmen
4:59pm Sat 31 May 14

Chuka Umunna got a convenient short memory, quick to have a go at UKIP who when in power are going to put right what the Labour Party has caused in our Country.

Britain has suffered from a huge number of brutal warmongers posing as Prime Ministers, Chuka Umunna's Labour Priminister Blair who has taken an obscene pleasure in bombing untold numbers of innocent people, mostly in the Muslim world.

This in turn has resulted in radicalising Muslim youth and bringing Islamic terror to the streets of Britain.

It is quite clear that Lee Rigby would be alive today if Blair, Brown and Cameron had contained their idle bloodlust and not sent Britain's armed forces to meddle in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

While Britain has suffered a serial number of imbecilic idiots as Prime Minister, (all approved by the Bilderberg Group of Fourth Reich fascists who will be on show at the NATO summit), the rest of the world and that is mostly the Muslim world, has been mercilessly bombed, shelled and shot at the direction of this irresponsible bunch of career politicians, Mr Umunna, Nigel Farage, has run his own business unlike yours, Dave's,and Clegy's mates, your Party will only bring more foreign trouble to our Country.

The cost of military action over the last 24 years was £34.7billion, which included £20.6billion for Afghanistan, £9.6billion for Iraq and £2.7billion in Bosnia and Kosovo on peacekeeping missions.

Another £238million was squandered on David Cameron's Hitler style war crime that murdered President Gaddafi in Libya, another home goal.

If we look at the real costs, however, including long-term care for war veterans plus compensation payments for deaths and injuries this adds another £37billion increasing the total expenditure to £71.7billion.

If Britain's duplicitous political class, and most notably that arch liar Blair, had kept their nasty little noses out of other people's affairs, just think how many new hospitals and schools we could have built with £71. 7 billion? but thanks mainly to the Labour Government and the Bush Administration war was preferred.

It is time our politicians too put Britain First and British people first rather than lining their war profiteer friend's pockets with taxpayer’s money at the expense of the blood of our people and that's what Ukip will do, put British people first not every body else.

It is time to stop all these reckless foreign wars and bring our troops home, if you want more of the LAB/LIB/CON wars keep voting for them, other wise vote UKIP....

Chuka Umunna got a convenient short memory, quick to have a go at UKIP who when in power are going to put right what the Labour Party has caused in our Country.
Britain has suffered from a huge number of brutal warmongers posing as Prime Ministers, Chuka Umunna's Labour Priminister Blair who has taken an obscene pleasure in bombing untold numbers of innocent people, mostly in the Muslim world.
This in turn has resulted in radicalising Muslim youth and bringing Islamic terror to the streets of Britain.
It is quite clear that Lee Rigby would be alive today if Blair, Brown and Cameron had contained their idle bloodlust and not sent Britain's armed forces to meddle in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
While Britain has suffered a serial number of imbecilic idiots as Prime Minister, (all approved by the Bilderberg Group of Fourth Reich fascists who will be on show at the NATO summit), the rest of the world and that is mostly the Muslim world, has been mercilessly bombed, shelled and shot at the direction of this irresponsible bunch of career politicians, Mr Umunna, Nigel Farage, has run his own business unlike yours, Dave's,and Clegy's mates, your Party will only bring more foreign trouble to our Country.
The cost of military action over the last 24 years was £34.7billion, which included £20.6billion for Afghanistan, £9.6billion for Iraq and £2.7billion in Bosnia and Kosovo on peacekeeping missions.
Another £238million was squandered on David Cameron's Hitler style war crime that murdered President Gaddafi in Libya, another home goal.
If we look at the real costs, however, including long-term care for war veterans plus compensation payments for deaths and injuries this adds another £37billion increasing the total expenditure to £71.7billion.
If Britain's duplicitous political class, and most notably that arch liar Blair, had kept their nasty little noses out of other people's affairs, just think how many new hospitals and schools we could have built with £71. 7 billion? but thanks mainly to the Labour Government and the Bush Administration war was preferred.
It is time our politicians too put Britain First and British people first rather than lining their war profiteer friend's pockets with taxpayer’s money at the expense of the blood of our people and that's what Ukip will do, put British people first not every body else.
It is time to stop all these reckless foreign wars and bring our troops home, if you want more of the LAB/LIB/CON wars keep voting for them, other wise vote UKIP....welshmen

Chuka Umunna got a convenient short memory, quick to have a go at UKIP who when in power are going to put right what the Labour Party has caused in our Country.

Britain has suffered from a huge number of brutal warmongers posing as Prime Ministers, Chuka Umunna's Labour Priminister Blair who has taken an obscene pleasure in bombing untold numbers of innocent people, mostly in the Muslim world.

This in turn has resulted in radicalising Muslim youth and bringing Islamic terror to the streets of Britain.

It is quite clear that Lee Rigby would be alive today if Blair, Brown and Cameron had contained their idle bloodlust and not sent Britain's armed forces to meddle in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

While Britain has suffered a serial number of imbecilic idiots as Prime Minister, (all approved by the Bilderberg Group of Fourth Reich fascists who will be on show at the NATO summit), the rest of the world and that is mostly the Muslim world, has been mercilessly bombed, shelled and shot at the direction of this irresponsible bunch of career politicians, Mr Umunna, Nigel Farage, has run his own business unlike yours, Dave's,and Clegy's mates, your Party will only bring more foreign trouble to our Country.

The cost of military action over the last 24 years was £34.7billion, which included £20.6billion for Afghanistan, £9.6billion for Iraq and £2.7billion in Bosnia and Kosovo on peacekeeping missions.

Another £238million was squandered on David Cameron's Hitler style war crime that murdered President Gaddafi in Libya, another home goal.

If we look at the real costs, however, including long-term care for war veterans plus compensation payments for deaths and injuries this adds another £37billion increasing the total expenditure to £71.7billion.

If Britain's duplicitous political class, and most notably that arch liar Blair, had kept their nasty little noses out of other people's affairs, just think how many new hospitals and schools we could have built with £71. 7 billion? but thanks mainly to the Labour Government and the Bush Administration war was preferred.

It is time our politicians too put Britain First and British people first rather than lining their war profiteer friend's pockets with taxpayer’s money at the expense of the blood of our people and that's what Ukip will do, put British people first not every body else.

It is time to stop all these reckless foreign wars and bring our troops home, if you want more of the LAB/LIB/CON wars keep voting for them, other wise vote UKIP....

Score: 9

Shropshirelad
7:09pm Sat 31 May 14

What Blair did to this country with wholesale unrestricted immigration is now beginning to be seen on issues of direct concern to the citizens of our country. London is virtually made up of 45% of people who were born and with roots outside the UK. No political party with policies based on the old British tradition, culture, standards and principles stands a cat in hells chance of getting elected in London because immigrant newcomers and the older second generation of immigrants generally reject or do not support "the British way".
UKIP with feet now in every point of the compass except one in this country, are totally devoid of a voice in London, that should tell everyone in this country something of vital importance. We should be alive to how the political scales can be unbalanced by the immigrant vote. And then, along comes Chukka Umuna - almost totally disregarding the UKIP phenomena and alleges that UKIP have deliberately been twisting the facts on immigration. In my view UKIP have been kind to the subject of mass immigration and if the Umuna speech was said with official Labour backing and policy, those who are concerned over immigration should note that Labour have learned nothing and their purile apology for encouraging immigration on a massive uncontrolled scale is just so many meaningless words. Vote for Labour at the next election and their will be many Chukka Umunas in their throng and their will be a repeat of the Blair years with our borders thrown open to the world.

What Blair did to this country with wholesale unrestricted immigration is now beginning to be seen on issues of direct concern to the citizens of our country. London is virtually made up of 45% of people who were born and with roots outside the UK. No political party with policies based on the old British tradition, culture, standards and principles stands a cat in hells chance of getting elected in London because immigrant newcomers and the older second generation of immigrants generally reject or do not support "the British way".
UKIP with feet now in every point of the compass except one in this country, are totally devoid of a voice in London, that should tell everyone in this country something of vital importance. We should be alive to how the political scales can be unbalanced by the immigrant vote. And then, along comes Chukka Umuna - almost totally disregarding the UKIP phenomena and alleges that UKIP have deliberately been twisting the facts on immigration. In my view UKIP have been kind to the subject of mass immigration and if the Umuna speech was said with official Labour backing and policy, those who are concerned over immigration should note that Labour have learned nothing and their purile apology for encouraging immigration on a massive uncontrolled scale is just so many meaningless words. Vote for Labour at the next election and their will be many Chukka Umunas in their throng and their will be a repeat of the Blair years with our borders thrown open to the world.Shropshirelad

What Blair did to this country with wholesale unrestricted immigration is now beginning to be seen on issues of direct concern to the citizens of our country. London is virtually made up of 45% of people who were born and with roots outside the UK. No political party with policies based on the old British tradition, culture, standards and principles stands a cat in hells chance of getting elected in London because immigrant newcomers and the older second generation of immigrants generally reject or do not support "the British way".
UKIP with feet now in every point of the compass except one in this country, are totally devoid of a voice in London, that should tell everyone in this country something of vital importance. We should be alive to how the political scales can be unbalanced by the immigrant vote. And then, along comes Chukka Umuna - almost totally disregarding the UKIP phenomena and alleges that UKIP have deliberately been twisting the facts on immigration. In my view UKIP have been kind to the subject of mass immigration and if the Umuna speech was said with official Labour backing and policy, those who are concerned over immigration should note that Labour have learned nothing and their purile apology for encouraging immigration on a massive uncontrolled scale is just so many meaningless words. Vote for Labour at the next election and their will be many Chukka Umunas in their throng and their will be a repeat of the Blair years with our borders thrown open to the world.

Score: 9

breamoreboy
10:25pm Sat 31 May 14

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote:
Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.[/p][/quote]I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?breamoreboy

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

Score: -5

alroutemaster
10:54pm Sat 31 May 14

The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.

The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.alroutemaster

The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.

Score: 4

breamoreboy
12:04am Sun 1 Jun 14

Jerry61 wrote…

breamoreboy wrote…

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car

e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?

Yes, that's at least the fourth time they have incorrectly spelt "coming" in the last couple of weeks, and the the second for "Britain". If I recall correctly recently a single paragraph had six spelling mistakes in it. This on a site that has an inbuilt spell checker. At the few last elections, as I've stated here repeatedly over the last few weeks, I've deliberately spoiled my vote as I think all modern politicians are not to be trusted, and there isn't yet a "none of the above" box on the voting slip.

Why should I feel bitter? Simply because I have the audacity to challenge the extreme right wing, neo-Nazi, fascist party that UKIP is? How is Lenny Henry, or have UKIP forced him out of the country? Still raining because of gay marriage? Islam still evil? How is Dave Small getting on, suspended from the party five days after getting elected? I'll save a few for a rainy day. Blast can't do that as it's still raining, flipping gay marriage has a lot to answer for, hasn't it?

[quote][p][bold]Jerry61[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote:
Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.[/p][/quote]I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?[/p][/quote]A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car
e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?[/p][/quote]Yes, that's at least the fourth time they have incorrectly spelt "coming" in the last couple of weeks, and the the second for "Britain". If I recall correctly recently a single paragraph had six spelling mistakes in it. This on a site that has an inbuilt spell checker. At the few last elections, as I've stated here repeatedly over the last few weeks, I've deliberately spoiled my vote as I think all modern politicians are not to be trusted, and there isn't yet a "none of the above" box on the voting slip.
Why should I feel bitter? Simply because I have the audacity to challenge the extreme right wing, neo-Nazi, fascist party that UKIP is? How is Lenny Henry, or have UKIP forced him out of the country? Still raining because of gay marriage? Islam still evil? How is Dave Small getting on, suspended from the party five days after getting elected? I'll save a few for a rainy day. Blast can't do that as it's still raining, flipping gay marriage has a lot to answer for, hasn't it?breamoreboy

Jerry61 wrote…

breamoreboy wrote…

cosmick wrote…

Chukka one eye on leaders job. But thank God he is so out of touch with the BRITISH public he will NEVER lead this country. Ukip is the only way forward.
We do not want open borders, we do not want open immigration our schools are full, our services are overun. Services are changing to support the people
comming to BRITIAN.

I observe that the brain dead UKIP mob are out in force again. Thankfully the British people are far too smart to fall for the cobblers they come out with. Can't wait to see them crawling off with tails between their legs come next year's General Election. cosmick sums up the average UKIP supporter quite beautifully. What does "comming" and "BRITIAN" mean cosmick, I can't find them in my English dictionary?

A couple of spelling mistakes 'sums up' the average 'brain dead' UKIP supporter does it?
Bit of a sweeping generalisation...car

e to elaborate?
Perhaps you could let everyone know who your vote went to at the last elections, so we can see why you might feel so bitter?

Yes, that's at least the fourth time they have incorrectly spelt "coming" in the last couple of weeks, and the the second for "Britain". If I recall correctly recently a single paragraph had six spelling mistakes in it. This on a site that has an inbuilt spell checker. At the few last elections, as I've stated here repeatedly over the last few weeks, I've deliberately spoiled my vote as I think all modern politicians are not to be trusted, and there isn't yet a "none of the above" box on the voting slip.

Why should I feel bitter? Simply because I have the audacity to challenge the extreme right wing, neo-Nazi, fascist party that UKIP is? How is Lenny Henry, or have UKIP forced him out of the country? Still raining because of gay marriage? Islam still evil? How is Dave Small getting on, suspended from the party five days after getting elected? I'll save a few for a rainy day. Blast can't do that as it's still raining, flipping gay marriage has a lot to answer for, hasn't it?

Score: -3

Viva Trowvegas
1:14am Sun 1 Jun 14

Funnily enough another reason I voted against Lib/Lab/Con because I'm sick of the morally-indignant guff they perpetrate that permeates the right-on peecee way they expect everyone to behave these days.

It's the attitude that people who are capable of offering a legitimate alternative opinion can't think for themselves and therefore must be rabid card-carrying lunatics / racists / homophobes / Nazis / intolerants etc. Sorry Chuka, you and your right-on cronies are turning swathes of people against you because you're all deluding yourselves. And about time too.

I've voted Labour all my life until now but they haven't been the party of the working man for over 20 years. The party is choc-full of rich and posh career politicos who know their way round Oxbridge, Eton, Harrow, Harrods and Harvey Nicks but haven't got a clue what Red Wedge was and whether Lenny Henry got involved . Still, why have brown ale when you can have Bolly???

As for Britain being spelt "Britian", why not google it. Cosmick's in good company - the Torygraph, the Daily Mail, TalkSport and that bastion of meaty Labour goodness the Mirror have all had spelling trouble on that front.

Funnily enough another reason I voted against Lib/Lab/Con because I'm sick of the morally-indignant guff they perpetrate that permeates the right-on peecee way they expect everyone to behave these days.
It's the attitude that people who are capable of offering a legitimate alternative opinion can't think for themselves and therefore must be rabid card-carrying lunatics / racists / homophobes / Nazis / intolerants etc. Sorry Chuka, you and your right-on cronies are turning swathes of people against you because you're all deluding yourselves. And about time too.
I've voted Labour all my life until now but they haven't been the party of the working man for over 20 years. The party is choc-full of rich and posh career politicos who know their way round Oxbridge, Eton, Harrow, Harrods and Harvey Nicks but haven't got a clue what Red Wedge was and whether Lenny Henry got involved . Still, why have brown ale when you can have Bolly???
As for Britain being spelt "Britian", why not google it. Cosmick's in good company - the Torygraph, the Daily Mail, TalkSport and that bastion of meaty Labour goodness the Mirror have all had spelling trouble on that front.Viva Trowvegas

Funnily enough another reason I voted against Lib/Lab/Con because I'm sick of the morally-indignant guff they perpetrate that permeates the right-on peecee way they expect everyone to behave these days.

It's the attitude that people who are capable of offering a legitimate alternative opinion can't think for themselves and therefore must be rabid card-carrying lunatics / racists / homophobes / Nazis / intolerants etc. Sorry Chuka, you and your right-on cronies are turning swathes of people against you because you're all deluding yourselves. And about time too.

I've voted Labour all my life until now but they haven't been the party of the working man for over 20 years. The party is choc-full of rich and posh career politicos who know their way round Oxbridge, Eton, Harrow, Harrods and Harvey Nicks but haven't got a clue what Red Wedge was and whether Lenny Henry got involved . Still, why have brown ale when you can have Bolly???

As for Britain being spelt "Britian", why not google it. Cosmick's in good company - the Torygraph, the Daily Mail, TalkSport and that bastion of meaty Labour goodness the Mirror have all had spelling trouble on that front.

Score: 2

breamoreboy
7:32am Sun 1 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.

Great idea, let's get rid of all foreigners. Is Mrs Farage the first to go or does she get special dispensation?

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.[/p][/quote]Great idea, let's get rid of all foreigners. Is Mrs Farage the first to go or does she get special dispensation?breamoreboy

alroutemaster wrote…

The only people distorting the immigration debate are people like this tosser from Streatham. We know the truth and we've had enough. Start deporting.

Great idea, let's get rid of all foreigners. Is Mrs Farage the first to go or does she get special dispensation?

Score: -1

Viva Trowvegas
9:10am Sun 1 Jun 14

alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.

I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.

This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.

The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.

The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.

I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?

alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.
I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.
This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.
The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.
The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.
I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?Viva Trowvegas

alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.

I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.

This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.

The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.

The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.

I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?

Score: 2

breamoreboy
11:33am Sun 1 Jun 14

Viva Trowvegas wrote…

alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.

I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.

This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.

The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.

The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.

I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?

Nope, I've said repeatedly I can't stand modern day politicians. Words like honesty and integrity have no meaning to them. They do understand words like expense, claim and form. Enough said?

[quote][p][bold]Viva Trowvegas[/bold] wrote:
alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.
I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.
This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.
The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.
The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.
I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?[/p][/quote]Nope, I've said repeatedly I can't stand modern day politicians. Words like honesty and integrity have no meaning to them. They do understand words like expense, claim and form. Enough said?breamoreboy

Viva Trowvegas wrote…

alroutemaster is not advocating getting rid of all foreigners. They are your words, not his.

I am pretty sure alroutemaster is referring to the system that allows foreigners who have overstayed their welcome or have been refused entry or who have been deported to endlessly milk the system to stay here.

This expensive and long-winded system allows people who shouldn't be here to claim public money to pay for expensive lawyers to try and stay in the UK, with endless appeals, hotel stays and the likelihood of a free council house and maybe even a claim for compensation for stress at the end of it. And many of these people have proved to be very undesirable.

The bleeding hearts are quite happy for everyone on the defendants' sides to trough it, with the lawyers raking it in, the EU Court of Human Rights and appeal court judges all on the gravy train.

The poor old indigenous sod who has to pay his taxes to fund this hasn't got a hope in hell of getting a council house and if he complains he gets accused of being a bigot.

I'm sure all the right-on peecee politicos like Chuka, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg and Shami Chakrabarti think that's what makes Britain great, but it's alright for them, they've never had to go out and get a job in the real world. Maybe you think that's great too?

Nope, I've said repeatedly I can't stand modern day politicians. Words like honesty and integrity have no meaning to them. They do understand words like expense, claim and form. Enough said?

Score: -1

Viva Trowvegas
2:20pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Respect sir.

Respect sir.Viva Trowvegas

Respect sir.

Score: 1

breamoreboy
3:33pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Viva Trowvegas wrote…

Respect sir.

One minute we're discussing a far right party, the next it's far left. What's going on?

One minute we're discussing a far right party, the next it's far left. What's going on?

Score: -2

Viva Trowvegas
7:31pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Sounds like your skewed view of what constitutes far-right and far-left is "what's going on".

There is no discussion here of any far-right or far-left parties. And even if there was, are you saying you're not capable of discussing both ends of the spectrum?

If you had read this article and subsequent posts properly maybe you would realise what the discussion is about: a right-on peecee knowall Labour toff who's never had a job, under the illusion everyone he's addressing doesn't understand he's trying to hoodwink them about UKIP and their policies.

As UKIP came top in the EU elections you would have thought by now he might be trying another tactic as no-one's buying the bull he and his chums have been spewing for months now.

No Nazis, no communists to be seen, but it looks like you might be gullible enough to believe UKIP are a far right party, Labour prior to 1992 were far left and Chuka is not being disengenuous.

Sounds like your skewed view of what constitutes far-right and far-left is "what's going on".
There is no discussion here of any far-right or far-left parties. And even if there was, are you saying you're not capable of discussing both ends of the spectrum?
If you had read this article and subsequent posts properly maybe you would realise what the discussion is about: a right-on peecee knowall Labour toff who's never had a job, under the illusion everyone he's addressing doesn't understand he's trying to hoodwink them about UKIP and their policies.
As UKIP came top in the EU elections you would have thought by now he might be trying another tactic as no-one's buying the bull he and his chums have been spewing for months now.
No Nazis, no communists to be seen, but it looks like you might be gullible enough to believe UKIP are a far right party, Labour prior to 1992 were far left and Chuka is not being disengenuous.Viva Trowvegas

Sounds like your skewed view of what constitutes far-right and far-left is "what's going on".

There is no discussion here of any far-right or far-left parties. And even if there was, are you saying you're not capable of discussing both ends of the spectrum?

If you had read this article and subsequent posts properly maybe you would realise what the discussion is about: a right-on peecee knowall Labour toff who's never had a job, under the illusion everyone he's addressing doesn't understand he's trying to hoodwink them about UKIP and their policies.

As UKIP came top in the EU elections you would have thought by now he might be trying another tactic as no-one's buying the bull he and his chums have been spewing for months now.

No Nazis, no communists to be seen, but it looks like you might be gullible enough to believe UKIP are a far right party, Labour prior to 1992 were far left and Chuka is not being disengenuous.

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