The GOP conservative should rebel in the House against Boehner and vote him out as the Speaker and replace him with a conservative Speaker willing to do battle and take Obama to the mat.

In fact the GOP should take the following line in talking to Obama.

"Look, Barry, we have the votes to stop you cold and we have decided to do that.

"We control the government funduiing and we are going to exercuise that control.

"We are talking about a complete shutdown where not so much as a dime will be available for you to even heat the White House, so get ready to stay at the local Holiday Inn on your own dime for the duration.

"the only thing we will fund during that time is the US military you hate so much.

"When you are ready to talk about seriously creating a budget...one that is balanced by the way, and reducing the debt...and we are talking about a true reduction in the actual amount we owe, not just a reduction in the percentage of your spending increases, and we are talking anout an end to ObamCare. When you are ready to seriously talk to us about those things...get back with us.

"Oh, BTW, Barry. One other thing we will fund is the following. The House of Reprentatives will meet each day with the express purpose of impeaching your sorry backside every single day for the next 60 working days. Impeach you each day on different charges. 60 times, Barry. When you get ready to talk to us, then the first thing the Senate will do will be to act on those 60 impeachments before anything else.

"So, we have the votes, and we are firm. Give us a call when you are ready to talk. Bye now."

That's the discussion a real Speaker of the House should be having with Obama.

Could they actually call together a vote to do so in the very short amount of time before the vote on this bill? The problem is that it is Congress - it would take at least a full day to get them to even agree to call a vote on this at all. And only the group within the GOP that explicitly represents the Tea Party could be counted on to remove Boehner as House speaker.

If you are going to go down that road, it will have to be after this vote this evening. But, to be sure, there will be plenty of chances to do this since this fight is of course just gonna periodically resurface again and again anyhow.

I think I was the first person here at F.R. who said that Boehner should never have been made the Speaker in the first place. I got a lot of invective thrown my way, one person even called me a Nazi, etc.

Most of those people have long since disappeared, or they're singing a different tune now.

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posted on 10/16/2013 1:12:48 PM PDT
by jpl
(The government spent another half a million bucks in the time it just took you to read this tagline.)

As of September 26, 2013 there were 232 republicans, 200 democrats and 3 vacancies.

A majority vote of 432 reps is 221.

All of the dems can be counted to vote for Boehner. But they will need 21 republicans to join them in keeping him as Speaker.

So it is feasible to hold an electronic poll right now just among republicans to see if 221 will send a signal to Boehner. They need not have the entire House vote on this. They just need a count to let the Speaker know he best cancel tonight’s debt ceiling vote.

Don’t confuse the 1 national election with the nation as a whole.... playing games with electoral votes is not the same as representing the people.

Conservatives need to better leverage the congress, this is where they will be able to affect change, but they cannot do so if the upper house has no will to fight for anything.

This was a fools errand from the get go, political theater, that was always going to end the way it did. What lesson that should be learned is that we need more conservative senators... Even if we had every republican in the house this would have been the end game as long as the senate was going to do what everyone knew it was going to do.

No. He fought with the cards he had. The only crack would have come if the polls hit the Dems harder than they would the Republicans, we all know/knew that would not happen. The media and Obama control the message.

You aren’t getting a speaker like that until you have an caucus that is in the majority... right now tea party size in the house is enough that it can’t be ignored, but not so much it can rule the day... and the fact its virtually non existant in the Senate means nothing is going to change in the near term.

Tea party must grow its ranks in both houses, but particularly in the Senate if it wants to truly effect change.

Gotta’ start somewhere, and Boehner has proven to be untrustworthy and unreliable as Speaker (at least to Repubs - Dems love him!). Removing Boehner would really scare a lot of RINOs and start the ball rolling to replace the traitors.

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posted on 10/16/2013 1:20:19 PM PDT
by jeffc
(The U.S. media are our enemy)

This whole thing was political theater, no real change had any chance of coming from it folks... Other than it may have woken up a lot of apolitical folks to just how out of touch DC is with the rest of the nation.

True, but again, this is Congress - to do even that will take at least a day or longer. Remember that we are still talking about the federal gov’t here. Moreover, 221 out of 232 cannot be counted on. Remember, out of the Republicans who initially fought Obamacare, 12 caved within one day of the shutdown - and this was among Republicans that were actually involved in it.

> “The real failure here is with the electorate. They re-elected Obama and gave the Dems the Senate.”

Not so. The real cause is the GOP establishment who gave us Romney because he had money.

The nomination of Romney caused more than six million blue collar Perot type and Reagan democrats to stay home. They saw there was not a bit of difference between Obama and Romney and they were right. Had the GOP given a suitable candidate, Obama would not be president.

Boehner and many of the GOP have offered numerous ways out of this mess, with the simple proviso that the budget be ever so gradually brought under control through decreased spending. All ideas proposed by the GOP were ignored, as was Paul Ryans’, ridiculed, as with Cruz, or dismissed as dumb or evil by today’s media cabal. All that partisan divisive rhetoric is lapped up by the 47%. It is their sustenance.

What I’m saying is I think Boehner has done the best he could do given the circumstances and this manner of president we are now dealing with. Im still glad Cruz spoke up and put a spotlight on what’s happening, but it was time to move on. It’s probably time for the Libertarian Party to grow and grow quickly. I may become a Libertarian although their history of pacifism worries me. We have a President with a cruel streak when dealing with the American People. We have not seen the worst he is capable of. Obama hopes for the chance to show us just how bad things can get, because he believes suffering will lead to overall compliance. This is not a normal president, but for now, we are stuck with him, and with his ‘familiar’ Valerie G...A witch calls the trained crow on her shoulder her ‘familiar’.

Agree....but the gaggle of establishment Republicans in the House also deserve a great deal of blame. They couldn’t pull together with the conservatives at the end to send a bill to the Senate. By stalling it, they knew the Senate would come up with an agreement, and Boehner would break the Hastert rule at this late date to avoid “default”.

I agree folks need an outlet, but honestly, this was the only real end game this political theater was going to have.

No one, and I mean no one, was going to risk a preventable default over political theater.

I think we could have gotten more, lets face it, Senate Republicans wouldn’t even hold the line at requiring Obama and the Congress to be forced into Obamacare.... That’s how pathetic they were.

However the end game of not getting much of anything out of it, was always how this was going to end.

I do think, and I know the talking heads aren’t talking about it, that a significant awakening is happening in the electorate, many apolitical types were exposed to just how out of touch DC is with the nation and things we exist for them.

The pivotal image of this theater was not anything that any politician did, it was Vets having to storm their own monuments to take them back from the political elite, who needlessly tried to take them away.

THAT’S POWERFUL! a full 60% of the electorate no longer identifies with any party... And those apolitical types just saw the gloves come off of the big government mind set.

I know a year is a long time in politics, but what was just seen, is not something that isn’t going to light fires in a lot of belly’s who wheretofore had no political interest

First, your logic leads to the conclusion that the republicans should never mount a fight over anything because they will be defeated by the liberal media.

What about the gun control defeat? The tabling of immigration reform? The last fight over the sequester?

Second, the liberal media is losing viewership and readership year over year and is not the force it once was. The alternative news media and blogosphere are mature enough now to inform Americans of the truth and facts.

Third, Cruz’ strategy caused Obama’s poll number to sink to 37%.

It is not the media that has sunk the republicans, it is the lack of courage and vision of its leadership.

Because, once again, Republicans failed at message management. The one chance they had to reframe the debate they wasted because assclowns like Peter King and John McCain used the stage to attack Ted Cruz instead of 0bama.

Boehner is no angel and IMO he did not put forth much effort to fight Obammy on the shutdown/debt celing/ZeroCare. It just adds up to too much. McConnell is a traitor, too. Don’t let him get away, either.

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posted on 10/16/2013 1:34:02 PM PDT
by jeffc
(The U.S. media are our enemy)

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