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Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by obvious Child

Having to provide healthcare coverage is a noose upon American business. They have to offer it partly due to competitive reasons, but you're right that a single payer system would be preferable to corporate American then the current system.

from what i've read, it's a vestige from the wage controls during WWII. no other first world nation does this, so it makes our own businesses less competitive. it seems intuitive to end this health insurance distribution model.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by Helix

from what i've read, it's a vestige from the wage controls during WWII. no other first world nation does this, so it makes our own businesses less competitive. it seems intuitive to end this health insurance distribution model.

Does any nation do it our way?

Heck, you see Gate's comments on healthcare costs on the Pentagon? Soon we can't afford weapons. Imagine the impact it's having on corporate America as a whole.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by pbrauer

Not a chance of that happening.

No, of course not. Only Joe Biden, Barney Frank, Ben Nelson, Ron Barber, Ann Kirkpatrick, Kyrsten Sinema and Howard Dean have come out against part or all of the bill. But they aren't important. What is important are those big money unions that are banging down the white house door to get Obama to exempt them from the bill. It is a job killing machine and the unions know it. The Democrats will have to repeal it, in parts, to save their careers. It has already begun. They are delaying parts, handing out exemptions and considering repealing other parts. When it is all said and done, everything but the life time limits ban and pre-existing coverage ban will be gone. Mark my words...Obamacare is on the surgical table and the death panel's decision is final.

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Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by opendebate

I don't believe this claim is accurate. Can you provide anything that confirms this? I have heard that in some states some premiums will go up but in the majority of states they will go down from several sources. Thanks.

Premiums have already increased for a large number of Americans, and they're expected to increase even further. My parents premiums, for instance, have increased by about 30% over the last year. A lot of my friends have been cut back hours at work so that the employer doesn't have to give them medical. Now they're stuck with higher premiums and less working hours because of this.

It's simple supply and demand. We've tried to immediately increase the demand for healthcare services by mandating everybody buys it, but we haven't proportionally increased our healthcare industry. So demand is far outweighing supply, and because of that premiums have skyrocketed.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Premiums have already increased for a large number of Americans, and they're expected to increase even further. My parents premiums, for instance, have increased by about 30% over the last year. A lot of my friends have been cut back hours at work so that the employer doesn't have to give them medical. Now they're stuck with higher premiums and less working hours because of this.

It's simple supply and demand. We've tried to immediately increase the demand for healthcare services by mandating everybody buys it, but we haven't proportionally increased our healthcare industry. So demand is far outweighing supply, and because of that premiums have skyrocketed.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

As for the OP:

The actual Act itself will never be repealed - that would be a political battle the Democrats would have to fight to the death. But it will be amended into something that is completely unlike what it is today, for the simple enough reason that we cannot afford what it is today, and attempting to do so will cause the federal government to crash. Obamacare is such a disaster that it can't be fully implemented.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Both of these states will have plenty of opportunity, it seems, to ponder their 2012 selection.

Ha, yeah. If they were clever enough they would've subsidized the swing states instead of the states they already had like NY and CA.

Originally Posted by cpwill

As for the OP:

The actual Act itself will never be repealed - that would be a political battle the Democrats would have to fight to the death. But it will be amended into something that is completely unlike what it is today, for the simple enough reason that we cannot afford what it is today, and attempting to do so will cause the federal government to crash. Obamacare is such a disaster that it can't be fully implemented.

I think if we put all the numbers, economics, and reality away for a minute, and just look at one big glaring fact: The politicians who wrote this ****ing bill exempted themselves from it.

That is all we really need to know that it's a terrible, terrible idea.

Originally Posted by LowDown

I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

Originally Posted by pbrauer

What do you think? I think it's here to stay, there will be revisions just like other social programs which became law. The fear of the unknown is always scary. Once it kicks in, people will begin to love it. That's what conservatives fear the most.

It's here to stay.

It will be killed by the GOP

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The GOP will not kill it.All these attempts they made are nothing more than deliberate DOA bills to sucker idiots into voting for them and once they have their votes they won't do anything to remove Obama-care. If anything they will either remove the loophole that allows employers to get out paying for it as long as they only hire part-time or they will leave it as is so that individuals have to pay for it.

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Re: Is Obama-care here to stay?

It's here to stay, whether it works or not. The GOP has repealed it 40 times, and it's still here. They've demonstrated their impotence in a level I don't think has ever been shown before. The Democrats won't repeal it because they've put too much into it. It ain't goin' nowhere.

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