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U of M property

Someone posted a means of determining the boundaries of the U of M property a while back. Going to the seafood company for dinner today and want to see where main and LIBERTY !! are in relation to the property boundaries of U of M.

Thanks !!

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

The resturaunt is on main so I should be ok then. Parking is one block east though. I tried your link and the page displayed blank ??
Does the google map of the AA area display the UM property by default ?

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Universities are basically their own little cities. They often have their own water treatment plants, power generation, and police. There are even private businesses that are right on University property. They can enact enforceable misdemeanor ordinances like any other city. Their police can arrest you and anally rape your rights to the same extent as any other police organization.

The my difference is Universities AREN'T listed in MCL 123.1101. Also, unlike "Authorities", they don't derive their power from a city, township, county, etc. They derive their charter directly from the State.

Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first.

I am not a lawyer (merely an omnipotent member of a continuum). The contents of this post are not a substitute for sound legal advice from a licensed attorney in your jurisdiction.

Comments and views stated in my post are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of Michigan Open Carry, Inc. unless stated otherwise in the post.

There are exceptions to their rules, too:
Section 4. Exceptions
(1) Except to the extent regulated under Subparagraph (2), the prohibitions in
this Article X do not apply:
(a) to University employees who are authorized to possess and/or use such
a device pursuant to Standard Practice Guide 201.94;
(b) to non-University law enforcement officers of legally established law
enforcement agencies or to other non-University employees who, in
either situation, are authorized by their employer to possess or use
such a device during the time the employee is engaged In work
requiring such a device;
(c) when someone possess or uses such a device as part of a military or
similar uniform or costume In connection with a public ceremony or
parade or theatrical performance;
(d) when someone possesses or uses such a device in connection with a
regularly scheduled educational, recreational or training program
authorized by the University;
(e) when someone possess or uses such a device for recreational hunting
on property which has been designated for such activity by the
University provided such possession and use is in strict compliance
with applicable law; or
(f) when the Director of the University's Department of Public Safety has
waived the prohibition based on extraordinary circumstances. Any
such waiver must be in writing and must define its scope and duration.
(2) The Director of the Department of Public Safety may impose restrictions
upon individuals who are otherwise authorized to possess or use such a
device pursuant to Subsection (1) when the Director determines that such
restrictions are appropriate under the circumstances.

A Statutory Change Would Not Be Enough (Probably)

Is there any possibility for our state's premption law to be strengthened so I don't have to worry about being arrested for some school rule when I might not even be aware I am on thier property?

What about driving down the streets down there? Are the roads considered university property? As long I a stay in my car am I OK?

What if I am cc and I am pulled over on a street that has university property on both sides?

You would need a constitutional amendment. Three Michigan institutions derive their status/power directly from the state constitution. While there have been many court cases delimiting the extent of such power, it is still the case that as a general rule they may create and enforce such regulations. Michigan State used this authority to permit concealed weapons on campus (but not in buildings), so their policy is closer to the state statute. Theoretically, any of the three constitutionally incorporated states could permit concealed carry in university buildings, state law notwithstanding. In those instances where any "local government" or "political subdivision" is discussed, it is important to look at the definitions for the particular law in question. Sometimes universites are included, sometimes not.

The regents of the University of Michigan and their successors in office shall constitute a body corporate known as the Regents of the University of Michigan; the trustees of Michigan State University and their successors in office shall constitute a body corporate known as the Board of Trustees of Michigan State University; the governors of Wayne State University and their successors in office shall constitute a body corporate known as the Board of Governors of Wayne State University. Each board shall have general supervision of its institution and the control and direction of all expenditures from the institution's funds. Each board shall, as often as necessary, elect a president of the institution under its supervision. He shall be the principal executive officer of the institution, be ex-officio a member of the board without the right to vote and preside at meetings of the board. The board of each institution shall consist of eight members who shall hold office for terms of eight years and who shall be elected as provided by law. The governor shall fill board vacancies by appointment. Each appointee shall hold office until a successor has been nominated and elected as provided by law.

Other public colleges and universities have similar provisions but they are creatures of the legislature (established by the state) and thus can be more tightly controlled (if the legislature choses to do so). For example, the legislature could dissolve Western Michigan University but could not do so to any of the Big Three.

So, they only have to follow the State constitution. Is that what I am reading? I would think that if they "..get their charter directly from the state" They would have to f
ollow the law of the state.