mtnsjohn wrote:The so-called "undocumented" immigrants now will have to come up with documents (other than stolen social security numbers) that prove:

1. They are under 30 years of age.2. They were forced to come to the US by their parents before age 16.3. They didn't return to their country of origin.3. They attended 3 years and graduated from high school or obtained a GED.

Pray tell how they "prove" numbers 2 and 3? They will "compassionately" be, no doubt, given the benefit of the doubt.

And how much do you want to bet that fraudulent GED certificates are now being printed?

And does this "amnesty lite" apply to their spouse who may not meet the rules?

This is amnesty, period. Firstly, it gives people brought here since before the last amnesty legal status. Secondly, it gives another nudge-and-wink to the documentation racket.

Obama did this on purpose, knowingly. To win votes and ????

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The President passing laws with executive fiat by-passing congress doesn't give you pause? His program is in direct conflict with existing immigration law. Compassion or not, this is not a dictatorship. This is high crime. Spin it anyway you want, but our Country was not founded on arbitrary enforcement of the laws passed by our representatives, no matter how arcane or wrong they might seem. Obama's actions is against the law of the land, and that doesn't bother you?

Ginico wrote:Maybe if the right would co-operate to get things done, he wouldn't be put into this position. The right is gambling that all of their stonewalling against Obama will payoff in votes to return us to 2000 policies. I hope everyone understands this and votes them out . . . they deserve it. The "deficits don't matter, except when your out of power" party deserves a strong whipping. They have not learned a thing from all of the dirty politics from Watergate, they are still dealing from the bottom!

illegal immigrants hop over here with their kids putting themselves in this position. Then the Latino racist lobby takes up their banner and purchases influence in the Democratic Party. Obama fears tightening polls and decides to pander to said racist lobby trying to gain votes...

And somehow it's the "right's" fault.

Liberals never cease to amaze.

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Ginico wrote:Maybe if the right would co-operate to get things done, he wouldn't be put into this position. The right is gambling that all of their stonewalling against Obama will payoff in votes to return us to 2000 policies. I hope everyone understands this and votes them out . . . they deserve it. The "deficits don't matter, except when your out of power" party deserves a strong whipping. They have not learned a thing from all of the dirty politics from Watergate, they are still dealing from the bottom!

How is it being forced for the president to take an unconstitutional act? Congress has passed legislation setting the rules on issuing work permits to resident aliens. He has no constitutional authority to do more than execute the will of Congress.

Why is it an issue that the conservatives are preventing the liberals from passing legislation? The process is explicit that you need the votes and follow the rules of each legislative chamber. What one considers obstruction another views as playing by the rules. If this issue is so important and the need so urgent, then why was the issue not so important and the need not so urgent when the Democrats controlled both houses and the presidency?

So now we not only have to hear the left complain it is Bush’s fault, now Watergate is thrown into the mix as well! Let’s blame Lincoln since he could have done something to prevent this issue as he freed the slaves. I guess political bluster has no limits.

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talk2thehand wrote:What's the point in having immigration laws if we refuse to enforce them? And is anyone else tired of the president making unilateral executive decisions that circumvent Congress?

It's impeachment-worthy.

Then you should have gone after W/neo-cons. Under them, only 6 businesses are year were gone after for having illegal immigrants, when normal is around several hundred. Even O and Clinton do/did a couple of hundred businesses a year.For 6 long years under W, it was less than 5 a year.

I guess from your POV, the real issue is what letter follows the presidents name.

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

Quite Frankly wrote:I think the work permit is on very shaky ground. 0bozo does have the right to set policy to a certain extent as far as how the law is enforced but he can't simply ignore it.

With the youth unemployment rate at about 25% this isn't the right time to add nearly a million more youths to the job market either. It isn't fair to citizens and those who legally immigrated here.

We are dicussing this in two threads which is batty at best. It is not that this is on shaky grounds. President Obama taught constitutional law. He should know that his executive order is not constitutional. He should know that Congress writes the laws and the executive branch executes the laws. Since Conggress has set in legislation rules under which work permits may be issued, the law is clear. Executive policy cannot just make up rules from the ether. If a president issues an order that he clearly knows is not constitutional, what does this say about his administration?

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[i]Editor: Please pass my letter on to Mr. Obama, as he does not respond to me. I'm quite sure he must like you better:

]Dear President Obama: I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. Into Mexico, and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico , but, I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. Flag from my house top, put U S. Flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I'll need Income tax credits so although I don't pay Mexican Taxes, I'll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov't pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U..S. From Mexico . I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Maybe if the right would co-operate to get things done, he wouldn't be put into this position. The right is gambling that all of their stonewalling against Obama will payoff in votes to return us to 2000 policies. I hope everyone understands this and votes them out . . . they deserve it. The "deficits don't matter, except when your out of power" party deserves a strong whipping. They have not learned a thing from all of the dirty politics from Watergate, they are still dealing from the bottom!

Why is it ONLY the Right should have to compromise? How about the budgets and bills that have passed in the house yet Harry Reid and the Dems wont even bring them to a vote on the Senate floor?

Passing a budget (as has been done in the house) is law. Why has there not been one passed in the Senate since Obama became president?

More proof that Peyton Manning has the Midas touch. He bought 21 pizza franchises 3 weeks before Colorado legalized pot.

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I hope the Latino community recognizes just how much they are being played. What has this administration done for you? He is only interested in you when he needs votes. If you give them to him your issues will become back burner again.

More proof that Peyton Manning has the Midas touch. He bought 21 pizza franchises 3 weeks before Colorado legalized pot.

"Do not trust the internet when citing quotes. It is often inaccurate" Thomas Jefferson

I too,am as "compassionate' as Obama. So I'm sure the DP won't mind, should even help me go into their building and take some of their property to give to others I personally feel need it more. I am more than willing to give money or property other people worked for to lawbreakers in the hopes that the people of the same heritage as the lawbreakers will like me.

Compassionate to who?The unemployed American whose jobs illegal immigrants steal?The underemployed American whose wages are undercut by the illegal immigrants?The American kids who have their taxpayer school funding stolen by illegal immigrants?The sick American who gets a higher medical bill to cover the free medical care stolen by illegal immigrants?The American kids from Kansas or Nebraska who is going to have to pay a higher tuition rate than the illegal at Metro State?Those Americans killed by drunken and unlicensed illegal immigrants on our roads?The Americans now hooked on drugs trafficked by illegal immigrants?The Americans whose identities have been stolen by illegal immigrants?

It shameful that Obama, the DEMOs and the Denver Post care more about illegal immigrants than they do Americans.

What about the millions of educated Asians and Indians that want in this country, yet wait through the process legally?

Apparently they do not count as they do not represent a significant 'minority' voting block for the Democrats, and will likely contribute to society, rather than be net receivers of government benefits.

"Millions of individuals making their own decisions in the marketplace will always allocate resources better than any centralized government planning process" - Ronald Reagan, The Greatest American

tbizzy wrote:What about the millions of educated Asians and Indians that want in this country, yet wait through the process legally?

Apparently they do not count as they do not represent a significant 'minority' voting block for the Democrats, and will likely contribute to society, rather than be net receivers of government benefits.

First off, Indians ARE Asians.Secondly, Asians are the second largest group of illegal immigrants in America by race. Thirdly, by keeping these kids here who have grown up as Americans, it does not impact those that want to come here. IOW, there is still a quota that is filled with legal immigrants. If we send 100% of illegal immigrants back, we will not increase our quotas.Fourth, these are ppl that will contribute to our society. In fact, by definition, they HAVE to. They have to have either served, or are in school, or have completed school.

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

tbizzy wrote:What about the millions of educated Asians and Indians that want in this country, yet wait through the process legally?

Apparently they do not count as they do not represent a significant 'minority' voting block for the Democrats, and will likely contribute to society, rather than be net receivers of government benefits.

First off, Indians ARE Asians.Secondly, Asians are the second largest group of illegal immigrants in America by race. Thirdly, by keeping these kids here who have grown up as Americans, it does not impact those that want to come here. IOW, there is still a quota that is filled with legal immigrants. If we send 100% of illegal immigrants back, we will not increase our quotas.Fourth, these are ppl that will contribute to our society. In fact, by definition, they HAVE to. They have to have either served, or are in school, or have completed school.

A GED is not a very high bar. At least the legal immigrants need to be self sufficient. My guess is that these executive order green cards will also be able to draw upon the social safety net. Just a guess though.

“I am a libertarian with a small 'l' and a Republican with a capital 'R'. And I am a Republican with a capital 'R' on grounds of expediency, not on principle.” ― Milton Friedman

Does the Denver Post staff really want to live where the President can suspend laws?

He could decide that prosecution of police officers for violations of civil rights could be temporarily suspended. He could decide that tariffs be temporarily suspended. Or that just this one year that federal election laws could be suspended. Is this what the Post wants?

talk2thehand wrote:What's the point in having immigration laws if we refuse to enforce them? And is anyone else tired of the president making unilateral executive decisions that circumvent Congress?

It's impeachment-worthy.

Then you should have gone after W/neo-cons. Under them, only 6 businesses are year were gone after for having illegal immigrants, when normal is around several hundred. Even O and Clinton do/did a couple of hundred businesses a year.For 6 long years under W, it was less than 5 a year.

I guess from your POV, the real issue is what letter follows the presidents name.

Failure to enforce the laws fairly and vigorously was wrong under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter and Ford. The fact is that big corporations like having people they can pay less than minimum wage,

I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast should be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast. --- Viktor Frankl

Yaakovwatkins wrote:....Failure to enforce the laws fairly and vigorously was wrong under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter and Ford. The fact is that big corporations like having people they can pay less than minimum wage,

Actually, that is not quite accurate.For example, few of the illegal immigrants doing construction are paid less than minimum. In fact, they make good money. Of course, they pay NO taxes on it. Somehow we are getting loads of construction work done all over the state and the state does not collect income tax on it and sees no issues.

What illegal immigrants do, is hold down the pay from the prevailing rates. For example, I found out that a top finish carpenter was paid 25/hr. Well, that is what was paid back in the 80's when I was doing framing in the summers at 13/hr. Yes, the finishers got more than double what I made.And they should. Framing is easy work.

However, we both agree that illegal immigrants are destroying our nation.That is why I love seeing this go through. I believe that It will force SOMETHING to be done.If not, then many of these kids/young adults will be sent to nations that they do not see as home in 2 years.

As I said elsewhere, I think that O has a strategy on this one. And it is pretty darn good one.In less than 2 years, we will FINALLY see a solution on this. Basically, it will force the hand of both dems and pubs.

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig