There was some acting in there man. Ben made it bigger than it was, Wheeler barely touched his cleat

either that or his foot is REALLY sensitive

He slammed into his ankle pretty hard.

Its okay though, Bay Area....not the first time you've made stuff up. Probably not the last either.

If you watch his foot, he did hit his foot pretty solidly. And it's a cheap play. Initially I thought it was mad acting, during the game. But if you focus directly on the foot and ankle, he does bend it pretty good.

I don't like watching my team play that way. I'd rather see them lose than win dirty, and teams that win dirty disgust me. But I would say it's isolated for Oakland despite the reputation that has really only carried over from soooo long ago.
Like I said in my last post, you can't call a team dirty because of one dirty player. Not that I think Wheeler is dirty, but that was not a legit clean play. He could definitely absolutely have avoided Ben despite the push, but didn't. In fact he lept over toward Ben and changed his direction using the push as an excuse.

As for the Hood play, I don't think it is legal. Cut blocks (legal) become chop blocks (illegal) if the player is engaged high and you go low. Hood was engaged high.

Still, I don't talk about the Steelers based entirely on Mundy so I don't think it's fair to judge the Raiders on only Wheeler for one play. I won't even discuss Willie Smith because like I said he wasn't coached up in the last 10 days on this team to play that way. He was coached up to do that on a Shanahan Oline.

There was some acting in there man. Ben made it bigger than it was, Wheeler barely touched his cleat

either that or his foot is REALLY sensitive

He slammed into his ankle pretty hard.

Its okay though, Bay Area....not the first time you've made stuff up. Probably not the last either.

If you watch his foot, he did hit his foot pretty solidly. And it's a cheap play. Initially I thought it was mad acting, during the game. But if you focus directly on the foot and ankle, he does bend it pretty good.

I don't like watching my team play that way. I'd rather see them lose than win dirty, and teams that win dirty disgust me. But I would say it's isolated for Oakland despite the reputation that has really only carried over from soooo long ago.
Like I said in my last post, you can't call a team dirty because of one dirty player. Not that I think Wheeler is dirty, but that was not a legit clean play. He could definitely absolutely have avoided Ben despite the push, but didn't. In fact he lept over toward Ben and changed his direction using the push as an excuse.

As for the Hood play, I don't think it is legal. Cut blocks (legal) become chop blocks (illegal) if the player is engaged high and you go low. Hood was engaged high.

Still, I don't talk about the Steelers based entirely on Mundy so I don't think it's fair to judge the Raiders on only Wheeler for one play. I won't even discuss Willie Smith because like I said he wasn't coached up in the last 10 days on this team to play that way. He was coached up to do that on a Shanahan Oline.

Im not judging Wheeler or the Raiders at all.

I just think its ridiculous that certain posters are trying to act like Mundy had every intention of hurting DHB and that Wheeler did nothing wrong.

I honestly dont even think Wheeler was trying to hurt Ben, just stop him from making a play, but it was fairly cheap.

And in terms of Mundy...just a bad player thats not even really backup quality. I could care less if they kicked him out of the league....but I dont think his helmet to helmet was intentional._________________

pnies20 wrote:

I know I'm one of the biggest trolls on here, but dont call me on it. I can dish it but cant take it.

A chop block is a foul by the offense in which one offensive player (designated as A1 for
purposes of this rule) blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower while another offensive
player (A2) occupies that same defensive player in one of the circumstances described in subsections (1)
through (10) below.
CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (ENGAGEMENT)
(1) On a forward pass play, A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged
above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2.
CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (AFTER ENGAGEMENT)
(2) On a forward pass play in which A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a
blocking attempt, A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while
A2 is still confronting the defensive player.
CHOP BLOCK ON PASS (WITH “LURE”)
(3) On a forward pass play, A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a
pass-blocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a “lure”).
REVERSE CHOP BLOCK ON PASS
(4) On a forward pass play, A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2,

simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high.
Note: Each of the above circumstances in subsections (1) through (4), which describes a chop-block foul on a
forward-pass play, also applies on a play in which an offensive player indicates an apparent attempt to
pass block but the play ultimately becomes a run.
(5) On a running play, A1 is lined up in the backfield at the snap and subsequently chops a defensive
player engaged above the waist by A2, and such block occurs on or behind the line of scrimmage in
an area extending laterally to the positions originally occupied by the tight end on either side.
CHOP BLOCK ON RUN (BY A LINEMAN)
(6) On a running play, A1, an offensive lineman, chops a defensive player after the defensive player has
been engaged by A2 (high or low), and the initial alignment of A2 is more than one position away from
A1. This rule applies only when the block occurs at a time when the flow of the play is clearly away
from A1.

Or better yet, but what Wheeler's blatant cheap shot at Big Ben's knees?

I guess it's just the Steelers making dirty hits, right?

Nice of your OL to help them out there by giving them a boost in Bens direction

It may be something happened before that gif start but what on earth is no68 doing there ?

Even if he shoved him, he didnt make Wheeler crawl 5 feet and dive into Ben's leg.

Not saying he did.
I find it real strange that an OL trying to protect his QB pushes the defender towards his QB.

Listen, I'm a Raider fan but I am not about to defend that play. Because of the bad TV angle it looks like the OT is pushing Wheeler toward Ben. But he's not dude, he pushed him like 30 degrees away from Ben. Wheeler redirects himself toward Ben as he circles along the ground with his hands. No way he is pushed directly at Ben. I thought different during the game, but seeing the replay over and over, it's 100% suspect.
And if you just look like I said, at Ben's foot and ankle the entire GIF, he smacks it good.

To the guy who posted the chop block rules, correct me if I am wrong but it reads as if the play was not legal. Hood was engaged high and chopped low by a second player in Smith, while moving toward the play. Maybe the rules are bad to read like electronics instructions, but it sounds like it's describing that exact play as being illegal.

Back to Mundy, there's no way it was a clean hit because he was fined for it. Boldin had his face smashed to pieces on a very similar play. I don't buy him trying to knock the ball away, because he could just as easily have had his hands extended out, you know like a guy trying to knock the ball away.

To the guy who posted the chop block rules, correct me if I am wrong but it reads as if the play was not legal. Hood was engaged high and chopped low by a second player in Smith, while moving toward the play. Maybe the rules are bad to read like electronics instructions, but it sounds like it's describing that exact play as being illegal.

We're discussing this very topic, in the Steelers forum, more in depth:

Don't ask Raiders receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey about that hit from Steelers safety Ryan Mundy last Sunday that knocked him out of the game.

"I don't remember any of it, so I wouldn't be able to tell you," Heyward-Bey said, when asked how scary it was. "The first thing I remember is being carted off the field."

Heyward-Bey watched practice Friday and talked to reporters for the first time since getting out of the hospital Monday. He hasn't passed the NFL's battery of concussion tests yet and hasn't started running. "I'm just happy to be walking, talking and eating," he said.

Heyward-Bey was unconscious from the helmet-to-chin hit by Mundy in the fourth quarter Sunday. Besides the concussion, he wrenched his neck, which he said was fine Friday.

Heyward-Bey said Mundy texted him soon after the incident. He doesn't hold a grudge against Mundy, who was fined $21,000 by the league for the hit.

"I told him, 'Hey, it's football,' " Heyward-Bey said.

Receivers get paid to take hits, and he said he is looking forward to getting back on the field - probably after the Week 5 bye - and taking another shot and bouncing off.

"Always. That's just football," Heyward-Bey said. "I signed up to put on pads and go out there. That's what happens out there. People get hit, people get hurt. It happens."

Heyward-Bey is technically listed as doubtful on the injury report, as is rookie receiver Rod Streater after tweaking his neck. Derek Hagan will start opposite Denarius Moore.

Don't ask Raiders receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey about that hit from Steelers safety Ryan Mundy last Sunday that knocked him out of the game.

"I don't remember any of it, so I wouldn't be able to tell you," Heyward-Bey said, when asked how scary it was. "The first thing I remember is being carted off the field."

Heyward-Bey watched practice Friday and talked to reporters for the first time since getting out of the hospital Monday. He hasn't passed the NFL's battery of concussion tests yet and hasn't started running. "I'm just happy to be walking, talking and eating," he said.

Heyward-Bey was unconscious from the helmet-to-chin hit by Mundy in the fourth quarter Sunday. Besides the concussion, he wrenched his neck, which he said was fine Friday.

Heyward-Bey said Mundy texted him soon after the incident. He doesn't hold a grudge against Mundy, who was fined $21,000 by the league for the hit.

"I told him, 'Hey, it's football,' " Heyward-Bey said.

Receivers get paid to take hits, and he said he is looking forward to getting back on the field - probably after the Week 5 bye - and taking another shot and bouncing off.

"Always. That's just football," Heyward-Bey said. "I signed up to put on pads and go out there. That's what happens out there. People get hit, people get hurt. It happens."

Heyward-Bey is technically listed as doubtful on the injury report, as is rookie receiver Rod Streater after tweaking his neck. Derek Hagan will start opposite Denarius Moore.

Classy comments from DHB. Nice to read his opinion on the play. It was a good gesture that Mundy texted him as well. Hopefully he won't have any lingering effects from the hit and will be back to playing after week 5._________________