=======================================================================If the draft goes anything like the board, it's obvious the corner that many covet for the Lions won't be there. I'm not that high on Amukamara, and don't see him as a #1 corner. Just my opinion. If he ends up in Detroit, then the Lions must feel he fits what we do.Feel there will be chances at other CB's to develop with later picks in the 2nd thru 4th round, or possibly late 1st in the event of trading back from 13. If we can't move back in the first, it looks to me the best option will be to take a DE or OT.

March 27th, 2011, 9:53 am

Wayne Fontes

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Re: Big Boards

It is interesting to look at these boards, but each team puts different parameters on their rankings of players, so a team like Jacksonville, who values players differently then most, can take a guy like Tyson Alualu at #10 last year, and not think they are reaching. He was clearly the top guy on their board because of what they value on their D-line. Teams hold their big boards sacred, so we very rarely will see/know what exactly a teams board looks like.

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March 27th, 2011, 3:32 pm

Pablo

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Re: Big Boards

And if you believe in most of these boards, that is why I would argue that Julio Jones is the BPA at 13 should he still be there as many mocks have him going to the Rams one pick after the Lions.

And if you believe in most of these boards, that is why I would argue that Julio Jones is the BPA at 13 should he still be there as many mocks have him going to the Rams one pick after the Lions.

If he is there at 13 id say its a good chance he is the BPA at that point, obviously depending on who else is available.

Like I tell a lot of people, IMO the best thing we can hope for is for Julio Jones to be there at 13. Reason being, that gives us a HUGE oppurtunity to trade down, being that we are right in front of St. Louis.

March 27th, 2011, 6:17 pm

liontrax

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Re: Big Boards

Wayne Fontes wrote:

It is interesting to look at these boards, but each team puts different parameters on their rankings of players, so a team like Jacksonville, who values players differently then most, can take a guy like Tyson Alualu at #10 last year, and not think they are reaching. He was clearly the top guy on their board because of what they value on their D-line. Teams hold their big boards sacred, so we very rarely will see/know what exactly a teams board looks like.

Precisely why I think that these boards are not necessarily indicative of who the top players are, for all teams. But, we know that the Lions will take players that they feel will be a good fit for what we do. As you alluded to in reference to the Jaguars.

March 27th, 2011, 6:28 pm

Wayne Fontes

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Re: Big Boards

kdsberman wrote:

Pablo wrote:

And if you believe in most of these boards, that is why I would argue that Julio Jones is the BPA at 13 should he still be there as many mocks have him going to the Rams one pick after the Lions.

If he is there at 13 id say its a good chance he is the BPA at that point, obviously depending on who else is available.

Like I tell a lot of people, IMO the best thing we can hope for is for Julio Jones to be there at 13. Reason being, that gives us a HUGE oppurtunity to trade down, being that we are right in front of St. Louis.

But what teams would want to move up to get Jones? I doubt Jacksonville would move up, as they seem to have a unique draft philosophy, and maybe Indy or Baltimore, but that is a long way to move up. If one of those teams do decide to move up, the Lions would make a killing, probably adding a second rounder.

I just don't see it.

I always have a hard time putting WR's high on Big Boards just because, while they have definite value, they may get 7-10 touches a game, which makes their value, in my mind, drop. I won't discount the affect that CJ has on the Lions offense, but the value of a #2 pick, Suh or CJ, who adds more? I think if you have the opportunity to take Cameron Jordan, Ryan Kerrigan, or JJ Watt at 13 opposed to Julio Jones, then you do it. Just my opinion on the value of the position.

And if you believe in most of these boards, that is why I would argue that Julio Jones is the BPA at 13 should he still be there as many mocks have him going to the Rams one pick after the Lions.

If he is there at 13 id say its a good chance he is the BPA at that point, obviously depending on who else is available.

Like I tell a lot of people, IMO the best thing we can hope for is for Julio Jones to be there at 13. Reason being, that gives us a HUGE oppurtunity to trade down, being that we are right in front of St. Louis.

But what teams would want to move up to get Jones? I doubt Jacksonville would move up, as they seem to have a unique draft philosophy, and maybe Indy or Baltimore, but that is a long way to move up. If one of those teams do decide to move up, the Lions would make a killing, probably adding a second rounder.

I just don't see it.

I always have a hard time putting WR's high on Big Boards just because, while they have definite value, they may get 7-10 touches a game, which makes their value, in my mind, drop. I won't discount the affect that CJ has on the Lions offense, but the value of a #2 pick, Suh or CJ, who adds more? I think if you have the opportunity to take Cameron Jordan, Ryan Kerrigan, or JJ Watt at 13 opposed to Julio Jones, then you do it. Just my opinion on the value of the position.

I heard one guy say--was either Bunting or Mayock--there are two true playmakers in this draft and they both happen to be wide receivers. For that reason I don't think JJ even falls to us, but if he did, we would be in a good situation trade-wise.

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March 28th, 2011, 11:19 am

kdsberman

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Re: Big Boards

Thats what I mean. I think it puts us into a good situation.

Fontes- I definetely agree about taking Watt, Jordan, or Kerrigan. I aint saying to draft Jones, I just think being that we're right in front of the Rams, it gives us a good oppurtunity...that is if someone really likes him.

March 28th, 2011, 12:21 pm

Wayne Fontes

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Re: Big Boards

If Jones gets snapped up at #10, by the Redskins, which is totally possible, I think the Lions would have a better shot at trading down. When an offensive player goes in front of the Lions, more of the defensive talent drops, making more intriguing trade prospects.

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March 28th, 2011, 12:32 pm

m2karateman

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Re: Big Boards

kdsberman wrote:

Thats what I mean. I think it puts us into a good situation.

Fontes- I definetely agree about taking Watt, Jordan, or Kerrigan. I aint saying to draft Jones, I just think being that we're right in front of the Rams, it gives us a good oppurtunity...that is if someone really likes him.

I fully expect that Jones will be long gone by the time the Lions pick. In fact, I would not be surprised to see the Rams trade up with Dallas to get their pick if Jones or Green somehow fall to that spot. I have no doubt that the Cowboys would love to move down and position themselves better. I don't think Green or Jones falls beyond the Redskins, and the dropoff in talent at WR after them is pretty noticeable. A team like KC or possibly even SD might want to move up. The Chargers are probably hoping that they can move Vincent Jackson rather than pay him, and getting Jones or Green would make that a far less painful thing to do. KC needs another wideout opposite Bowe. They get that, and their offensive weapons are pretty strong. That's all they'd have to do is get some interior offensive line help and a pass rusher and they'd be a strong contender in the playoffs this year.

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March 28th, 2011, 1:06 pm

liontrax

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Re: Big Boards

Wayne Fontes wrote:

If Jones gets snapped up at #10, by the Redskins, which is totally possible, I think the Lions would have a better shot at trading down. When an offensive player goes in front of the Lions, more of the defensive talent drops, making more intriguing trade prospects.

Agree, feel that Jones will be gone by 10 or earlier. But, the selection of D-lineman at that point could provide some interest, I'm thinking (hoping), Patriots or Chargers will be looking to jump up and grab the DE of their choice.

March 28th, 2011, 3:06 pm

Wayne Fontes

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Re: Big Boards

m2karateman wrote:

kdsberman wrote:

Thats what I mean. I think it puts us into a good situation.

Fontes- I definetely agree about taking Watt, Jordan, or Kerrigan. I aint saying to draft Jones, I just think being that we're right in front of the Rams, it gives us a good oppurtunity...that is if someone really likes him.

I fully expect that Jones will be long gone by the time the Lions pick. In fact, I would not be surprised to see the Rams trade up with Dallas to get their pick if Jones or Green somehow fall to that spot. I have no doubt that the Cowboys would love to move down and position themselves better. I don't think Green or Jones falls beyond the Redskins, and the dropoff in talent at WR after them is pretty noticeable. A team like KC or possibly even SD might want to move up. The Chargers are probably hoping that they can move Vincent Jackson rather than pay him, and getting Jones or Green would make that a far less painful thing to do. KC needs another wideout opposite Bowe. They get that, and their offensive weapons are pretty strong. That's all they'd have to do is get some interior offensive line help and a pass rusher and they'd be a strong contender in the playoffs this year.

I guess SD could make a run at a pick like the Lions at 13. They made a big jump last year to pick Ryan Mathews. Would AJ Smith do that again? I think he took the risk of taking Mathews because they thought they were "one player away". Would they be a Julio Jones away from making a deep playoff run?

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March 28th, 2011, 4:06 pm

m2karateman

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Re: Big Boards

Wayne Fontes wrote:

m2karateman wrote:

kdsberman wrote:

Thats what I mean. I think it puts us into a good situation.

Fontes- I definetely agree about taking Watt, Jordan, or Kerrigan. I aint saying to draft Jones, I just think being that we're right in front of the Rams, it gives us a good oppurtunity...that is if someone really likes him.

I fully expect that Jones will be long gone by the time the Lions pick. In fact, I would not be surprised to see the Rams trade up with Dallas to get their pick if Jones or Green somehow fall to that spot. I have no doubt that the Cowboys would love to move down and position themselves better. I don't think Green or Jones falls beyond the Redskins, and the dropoff in talent at WR after them is pretty noticeable. A team like KC or possibly even SD might want to move up. The Chargers are probably hoping that they can move Vincent Jackson rather than pay him, and getting Jones or Green would make that a far less painful thing to do. KC needs another wideout opposite Bowe. They get that, and their offensive weapons are pretty strong. That's all they'd have to do is get some interior offensive line help and a pass rusher and they'd be a strong contender in the playoffs this year.

I guess SD could make a run at a pick like the Lions at 13. They made a big jump last year to pick Ryan Mathews. Would AJ Smith do that again? I think he took the risk of taking Mathews because they thought they were "one player away". Would they be a Julio Jones away from making a deep playoff run?

In all honesty, if San Diego moves up I would expect it to be for someone like Cam Jordan or J.J. Watt, since they are in DIRE need of a starting defensive end for their defense. However, if Julio Jones is available at 13 (I don't think it happens), then the Lions will get a glut of phone calls for him. He would far and away be the best player on the board. If that happens, should the Lions take him or trade him? That would be entirely dependent on the offers being made.

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March 28th, 2011, 6:44 pm

Wayne Fontes

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Re: Big Boards

Going back to the fact that most teams will have different Big Boards, I doubt Julio Jones would be very high on Mayhew's board. Would you take a guy like Jones to be your second/third receiver? Hell no. As a trade spot, sure, but if they were to take him I would be pissed. There's just too many other players that would benefit this team more and in many different ways then a 2/3 WR who would get 5-8 touches a game. We have the debate all the time about getting CJ involved in the offense more. There just wouldn't be enough balls to go around. With the amount of money that the Lions have invested in their receiving corp, I can't see adding another big money receiver. As we can all see, economics are going to play a role in this pick.