Senate Republican staffers continue to look though the 2010 health care reform law to see whats in it, and their latest discovery is a massive $17 trillion funding gap.

The more we learn about the bill, the more we learn it is even more unaffordable than was suspected, said Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, the Republicans budget chief in the Senate.

The bill has to be removed from the books because we dont have the money, he said.

The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the laws supporters about its compliance with the Constitutions limits on government activity. If the court doesnt strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.

The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the laws long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leaves taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

The entire GDP of the United States is currently about $14 trillion. The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.

Can U say."Cloward-Piven?"

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posted on 03/30/2012 4:33:47 PM PDT
by Don Corleone
("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")

... entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse. It is, and will be if passed, the same as REINVENTING the United States of America. This country will become what it was NEVER intended to be and what NO majority of it's citizens would accept if permitted to vote for this kind and scope of change. The Constitution, the courts, the Presidency, the schools and everything else will be hijacked by a tyrant who will answer to NO ONE!!!!

The healthcare bill NEVER was about healthcare, but the vehicle to assure the collapse of the nation so as to put into place the fascist regime to "save the people" from evil capitalism.

Secretary Panetta recently told the President that two Brazilians had been killed in Afghanistan. Obviously distrought over the news, but distracted by the economy, the President said, “How much is a brazillion?” I think that’s the word you are looking for.

It is impossible to continue. The farcical US economy will fail. it is only a question of when. The answer is: when people stop believing.

Pay off debt.
Collect from all creditors asap.
Sell fancy cars.
Simplify and go to cash or tradable commodities.
Arm up and ammo up.
Go to the Dr and dentist and get your check ups.

This will be 10 thousand times worse than a hurricane. Either the nazi commie progressives will take over by force, or the country will fracture into roving bands of mini-armies like Bosnia and Kosivo, to keep the gun and ammo trade, $5 gas, coke, meth and dope trade, and corruption going. Where do you think all that money went?

Just get ready if the supremes kill obama care, and Omullah loses the election, a race war will be the centerpiece of the violent political response, the Chinese will want their money back, and the unions will come unstuck, as will the welfare class when the free money goes away and economy deflates.

Look at what happened in Tunisia last year. Look at what happened in Argentina 10 years ago. That is what it is going to be like.

Sorry but this country has not really lived by the constitution since before my birth (1944) if it ever really did. I see no chance that we will really return to it, even most who call themselves conservatives have never really thought about what actually living by the constitution would mean. I estimate that over ninety percent of federal activity would have to cease. I admit that is purely a seat of the pants estimate but I really don’t see how it can be off all that much. Most of current federal activity is supposedly justified by either the commerce clause or the general welfare clause and it all amounts to saying that the founders went through all that blood, sweat, toil and tears for years to give us this nation and this constitution and then in the end just said, “Oh, hell, do whatever you want to do, I am tired of it all.”

The first thing that would have to happen is that voting would once again have to be restricted to male property owners who can read, write and understand the constitution. Pigs will fly before that happens. We have supreme court justices now who cannot understand the constitution.

>>>The entire GDP of the United States is currently about $14 trillion. The projected liabilities to be incurred as a result of ObamaCare are not only unsupportable, even in the short-run, they are entirely impossible without provoking complete economic collapse.<<<<

At the risk of tin-foil hat time, that’s the only reason I can see for it. Sort of like Reagan’s plan to bankrupt the Soviets with the “Star Wars” missile defense shield, but this time there’s a section of our own society trying to take down the American government.

Then, as happens in all good revolutions, the crisis becomes the cover for the takeover.

I don’t believe tin foil is required. There is simply no there reasonable explanation as to why the radicals who control the Democrat Party are proposing increased (and escalating!) levels of spending and taxation far in excess of our GDP. Do they truly believe, all historical evidence to the contrary, that government spending can create wealth? They refer to such spending as “investment” - as though government had a first claim on your income - which, in point of fact, they do believe.

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posted on 04/01/2012 11:53:27 AM PDT
by andy58-in-nh
(America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)

I don’t believe tin foil is required. There is simply no reasonable explanation as to why the radicals who control the Democrat Party are proposing increased (and escalating!) levels of spending and taxation far in excess of our GDP. Do they truly believe, all historical evidence to the contrary, that government spending can create wealth? They refer to such spending as “investment” - as though government had a first claim on your income - which, in point of fact, they do believe.

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posted on 04/01/2012 11:53:44 AM PDT
by andy58-in-nh
(America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)

And we’re still supposed to believe we aren’t footing the bill for him and all his friends to vacation around the world or that we’re not paying for Moochelle’s wardrobe. Every time he writes a check, a good portion of it is sliding over to his personal bank account. He knows his way around a kickback just like he did when he was a young unknown junior senator who just happened to be getting the biggest kickbacks of all congresscritters from FannyMac.

It would take six months just to read it, a hell of a lot longer to analyze it.

Sure, and he just scribbled the whole thing out one night before turning out the light. This thing has been in the works for years. We know Hillary was pushing it back during her admin, so who else was in on it?

“Plan “B” is for Obama to run against a “rogue” Supreme Court, while pushing for what he and his pals have wanted all along: a single-payer, government run health care system.

It does sound like a scheme hatched from the minds of Cloward and Piven, doesn’t it?

But here’s another possibility: let’s say that the Democrats had an alternate plan [Plan B above] in case ObamaCare was ruled unconstitutional. Okay - let us stipulate that they in fact have such a plan because they always do. “
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“THEY ALWAYS DO” -— Yes, they do!

Remember that they also

1) capitalize on events with which to CREATE crisis.
2) ALWAYS try to kill two or more birds with one stone-—always.

Your Plan B is as good as any reasoned guess (except for, perhaps, one or two caveats).

Finally, The Obama Adm was the one who pushed the timing of this case to SCOTUS. Mark Levin verified this. They could have easily delayed til closer to or after the election, so that no decision was issued until after the election.

I found that move very suspicious from the beginning. We may know more about their intentions by who of their appointed minions (including the MSM) says what and when. Already, the issuing of designated talking points and focus-group trial balloons has commenced to determine what “pig” will fly.

"We may know more about their intentions by who of their appointed minions (including the MSM) says what and when. Already, the issuing of designated talking points and focus-group trial balloons has commenced to determine what pig will fly." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Here we go. Very hostile/threatening statement from the czar-in-chief:

President Barack Obama voiced confidence Monday that the Supreme Court will uphold his health care law in his first public remarks on the issue since the three days of oral arguments last week.

Obama suggested that the high court would be guilty of judicial activism if it overturned the law, and stressed that he believed the justices would see the individual mandate as an integral part of the law.

We are confident that this will be upheld because it should be upheld, Obama said at a joint news conference with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

President Obama preemptively slammed the Supreme Court as a bunch of "unelected group of people" who will have turned to "judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint" if they decide to strike down his signature legislative achievement, the healthcare reform act.

Obama was speaking at a trilateral event with the Prime Minister of Canada and President of Mexico.

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