How selfish! Any convinced criminal says "I am innocent", or "the punishment is too cruel!" But the True Atheists are thinking about the survival of the humankind:

Infinite punishment for finite crimes is simply immoral. If you think it is a good idea then you are a sociopath.

Quote:the existence of hell and the preachings of hell greatly improve the crime statistics.

If you believe that then you have been duped and are passing along claims that you have not verified. If not then you have just told an outright lie.

Statistics on the religions of prisoners show that they usually match the general population. If the threat of hell is so good at reducing crime then why do the numbers of criminals by religion not show that?

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How selfish! Any convinced criminal says "I am innocent", or "the punishment is too cruel!" But the True Atheists are thinking about the survival of the humankind:

the existence of hell and the preachings of hell greatly improve the crime statistics.

Actually, it's a myth that criminals protest their innocence. Indeed, in prison, people who protest their innocence are openly mocked by the other inmates. Most convicted criminals freely admit that they committed the crime and were fairly caught. They may object to the methods used to convict them (if the Judge or Prosecutor cheated to win the case), but usually they just plead Guilty and try to settle for the lowest possible punishment.

But I'm sure that this prisoner-myth helps you feel better about your larger myth: a God that thinks torturing people is a just punishment for anything, especially since God could have simply made it so that a person whose soul does not qualify for a trip to heaven would instead just die and cease to be, like the animals do. That means that according to your religious beliefs, your God devised a system of infinite torture for finite crimes, in place of just letting people die.

And as the others pointed out to you, there is indeed a correlation between societies that believe in Hell and crime... but it's the opposite of what you think it is.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson

The false theists do consider themselves as the "holy" ones: "once is saved, then saved forever." Therefore, they are more likely to commit a new sin. After that they just would say in their bedroom: "Jesus, forgive me my murder." Because they are false theists.

theBorg you are missing a simple concept, you seemingly doesn`t understand the implications of allowing infinite punishment into morality.

Our opinions of if a punishment is ''too cruel or not for a crime'' are only needed if the punishment is not the whole fucking eternity into a lake of fire.

The only crime or sin fitting for a infinite punishment must be (there's no alternative to this) an infinite sin/crime, but we as humans are finite in our lives and actions, so there cannot ever be fair to be punished infinitely for anything we might do.

If you put Hitler into a room with nothing at all (not even talking about hell, just a blank room with nothing inside) for infinite time, the whole eternity, you are unequivocally setting him a infinitely unfair punishment, there`s no negotiation or opinion to make about it, its simple math, you can't pay a infinite debt with finite money, doesn't matter how much money you have, you will never de able to pay the infinite debt with ANY amount of FINITE money.

The same apply with sin/action and punishment, is humanly impossible to commit any action that makes him actually deserve any eternal punishment.

IF Yahweh does exists, and in the way you perceive him, then his morality would embarrass even the most ambitious human psychopath, so if Christianity myth ever turn out to be true, I would totally understand why Lucifer rebelled, and would definitely sign up in Lucifer's army to fight for his cause against Yahweh's celestial North Korea.

As Hitchens once said: ''At least we can fucking die to leave North Korea regime, Yahweh doesn't give you this option''

“That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.”-P.C. Hodgell - Seeker’s Mask - Kirien

(29-10-2016 05:51 AM)unfogged Wrote: .............
If the threat of hell is so good at reducing crime then why do the numbers of criminals by religion not show that?

Because the false atheists are successfully destroying our spiritual weapon - the fear of the hell. This destruction was not so active just some decades ago.

Do you have any actual evidence for that claim or is it just another bald assertion?

You do realize that it is painfully obvious to everybody else that you have no clue what you are talking about, right? As RifRaf said, your mission here is a failure.

By the way, the concept of hell is one of the most disgusting, depraved things that anybody ever came up with. That it is a core doctrine for Christians, True or False, makes Christianity one of the most inhuman belief systems ever held. The only redeeming feature is that it is just a myth.

Atheism: it's not just for communists any more!
America July 4 1776 - November 8 2016 RIP

(29-10-2016 06:42 AM)unfogged Wrote: By the way, the concept of hell is one of the most disgusting, depraved things that anybody ever came up with. That it is a core doctrine for Christians, True or False, makes Christianity one of the most inhuman belief systems ever held. The only redeeming feature is that it is just a myth.

I don't think is fair to use this guy ideas as a representative of Christianity, Christianity surely can be inhuman but Borg its lost on his own, he is probably the only person in the world that thinks like that.

Or, most likely, he doesn't, he a poe.

Idk he just seem way too wrong to be legit.

“That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.”-P.C. Hodgell - Seeker’s Mask - Kirien