phil_herup: If you are just about to have an abortion, which is highly invasive, how can you say that the ultrasound, which is no where near as invasive as the abortion, is invasive?

No logic there.

It's a bullshit process that's designed to make the woman as uncomfortable as possible. It makes her jump through bureaucratic hoops, violates her body unnecessarily all so she can get to another procedure that will most definitely not be easy for her. And you think this is fine?

illuminaughty: This should please the "sex is for procreation ONLY" crowd, at least.

I can totally see the fundies getting behind this bill. They should be careful how they play this game.

Fun fact: when I got snipped, my doctor told me I wouldn't have been eligible under insurance if I'd chosen the local Catholic hospital as my primary hospital under my HMO. This was in libby lib lib LA not so long ago.

phil_herup: What about the sex for recreation crowd? Sex for recreation is not a women's health issue, nor is it a right to free contraceptives.

What's the matter phil? You not getting enough recreational sex? You want to deny it from the people who can't afford $100+/month for contraception? Is it a power issue for you? Or you just like the idea of poking holes?

quinblake: What's the matter phil? You not getting enough recreational sex? You want to deny it from the people who can't afford $100+/month for contraception? Is it a power issue for you? Or you just like the idea of poking holes?

I think birth control is about $15 - $20 a month without a prescription, and the health district gives out free condoms.

illuminaughty: I never said it was. There are many legitimate health reasons for birth-control pills and hysterectomies. What are the legitimate health concerns addressed by boner pills and vasectomies?

You may never have said it was, but the President and Sebelius have sold this as a women's rights issue and a women's health issue.

"Sex as recreation" is neither a health issue or a rights issue in regards to free contraception. It is simply a subsidy sold under the guise of something it is not.

illuminaughty: I never said it was. There are many legitimate health reasons for birth-control pills and hysterectomies.

Absolutely. And these should be covered like any other medical issue. With a copay.

illuminaughty: What are the legitimate health concerns addressed by boner pills and vasectomies?

Nothing that the person's health insurance can't decide for its policy holders.

quinblake: There was an article here recently that stated a birth control pill prescription was a minimum $81/month, but that was a very low cost price. I'm just going by what I've read though.

Costs range from about $15 to about $50 depending on type of pill. No, they are not available without a prescription, though there is a movement to give that particular prescription authority to pharmacists, and it's a pretty routine prescription.

sloth: Costs range from about $15 to about $50 depending on type of pill. No, they are not available without a prescription, though there is a movement to give that particular prescription authority to pharmacists, and it's a pretty routine prescription.

I think that $15-50 range is also if your insurance covers it. If not, it can be more towards the $80-100 range.

flashlv: I used to pick up my ex-wife's birth control, no prescription, for $15.

orthotrycyclin lo or something like that.

I didn't think birth control pills were available without a prescription, perhaps she'd already dropped off the prescription with the pharmacist and you just had to pick up the refills. Did your wife have private insurance? A lot cover 80% at the counter so perhaps the $15 was after an 80% insurance coverage.

quick1: I think that $15-50 range is also if your insurance covers it. If not, it can be more towards the $80-100 range.

Numbers came from Planned Parenthood, so I assume they meant cost without insurance, but it wasn't specified. Chart below is unsourced, but does specify costs without insurance - and comes from an article talking about how costs are under-reported, so if they have a motivation to err, it's to err on the high side of cost.

quinblake: I didn't think birth control pills were available without a prescription, perhaps she'd already dropped off the prescription with the pharmacist and you just had to pick up the refills. Did your wife have private insurance? A lot cover 80% at the counter so perhaps the $15 was after an 80% insurance coverage.

I expect there will be a fight against easier access to birth control pills. One is able to use several at once to simulate that "morning after pill" apparently. The derp and herp should be pretty vigorous on that subject.

"Full insurance coverage is a critical part of the picture. Birth control is an expensive product - $81 a month is considered a steal with no contribution from your insurance, but that number still prices out many women."

fatsean: I expect there will be a fight against easier access to birth control pills. One is able to use several at once to simulate that "morning after pill" apparently. The derp and herp should be pretty vigorous on that subject.

I'm not sure any group is fighting to restrict access to that kind of stuff. Are there any you have heard of?

"Full insurance coverage is a critical part of the picture. Birth control is an expensive product - $81 a month is considered a steal with no contribution from your insurance, but that number still prices out many women."

http://health.costhelper.com/birth-control-pills.html

Typical costs:
For patients not covered by health insurance, birth control pills typically cost $20 to $50 a month.

"Full insurance coverage is a critical part of the picture. Birth control is an expensive product - $81 a month is considered a steal with no contribution from your insurance, but that number still prices out many women."

Also Quin, looking at other numbers I am not taking into account the doctors visit which is probably a minimum of $50 without insurance. So if we put that in we're closer to your number. but I have a feeling they can get a prescription for a year.

flashlv: Also Quin, looking at other numbers I am not taking into account the doctors visit which is probably a minimum of $50 without insurance. So if we put that in we're closer to your number. but I have a feeling they can get a prescription for a year.

That's a good point. If you can get to a clinic like PP then you can probably get your doctors visit for a little over $100 and a years prescription.

If you go see a mainstream GP for a visit then you are probably looking at closer to $250/yr + $20/mo.

Still not quite $81/month.

Of course the photo on that story shows yasmin which is a higher end branded bc iirc

flashlv: Also Quin, looking at other numbers I am not taking into account the doctors visit which is probably a minimum of $50 without insurance. So if we put that in we're closer to your number. but I have a feeling they can get a prescription for a year.

According to this, it's about $80/month, give or take a $5 or $10 depending on whether it's name brand.

flashlv: Also Quin, looking at other numbers I am not taking into account the doctors visit which is probably a minimum of $50 without insurance. So if we put that in we're closer to your number. but I have a feeling they can get a prescription for a year.

And the articles I read (and referenced) don't mention anything about doc visits, just the cost of the pills per month.

"Full insurance coverage is a critical part of the picture. Birth control is an expensive product - $81 a month is considered a steal with no contribution from your insurance, but that number still prices out many women."

Click on the link provided for where that number comes from. It's pretty clearly stating that the $81 being a steal refers to specifically Yaz in NYC. Interestingly, his source link links to a price map for birth control in New York. All the prices seem pretty high except the Trinessa, and the Yaz is off the chart. It's pretty clear the takeaway here is that Yaz in NYC is expensive.

sloth: Click on the link provided for where that number comes from. It's pretty clearly stating that the $81 being a steal refers to specifically Yaz in NYC. Interestingly, his source link links to a price map for birth control in New York. All the prices seem pretty high except the Trinessa, and the Yaz is off the chart. It's pretty clear the takeaway here is that Yaz in NYC is expensive.

That price map shows an average of $68, I guess it varies there depending on where one lives?

Here, I pay $21/month before my 80% insurance plan (through work) and the doc visits are covered by the national health care plan.

flashlv: Also Quin, looking at other numbers I am not taking into account the doctors visit which is probably a minimum of $50 without insurance. So if we put that in we're closer to your number. but I have a feeling they can get a prescription for a year.

Oh hey, I went for my yearly check up and year-long bc rx. The labs (pap smear, blood test, etc) cost $603 without insurance. The doctor charged $325 for her service. $928 for a basic Ob-gyn annual check up.

sloth: Click on the link provided for where that number comes from. It's pretty clearly stating that the $81 being a steal refers to specifically Yaz in NYC. Interestingly, his source link links to a price map for birth control in New York. All the prices seem pretty high except the Trinessa, and the Yaz is off the chart. It's pretty clear the takeaway here is that Yaz in NYC is expensive.

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