Why even wait four years?

From our anti-democratic perspective, defeating Trump in the 2020 election would merely reflect his lack of popularity, whereas impeaching him before the next election would be more satisfying as the victory of a process that at least has nothing to do with popularity or unpopularity.

A military or even armed civilian coup would be fine too, of course. Make sure you own firearms - plenty of Trump supporters own firearms; do you really think it is a good idea to our side to have less firepower than their side has?

Every day Trump is in office, heaven knows how many more people become victims of his policies. Getting rid of him ASAP is not just impatience on my part, but far more importantly about minimizing the real damage.

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The program, “Countering Violent Extremism,” or CVE, would be changed to “Countering Islamic Extremism” or “Countering Radical Islamic Extremism,” the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States.

I was happy to see that link you posted about Trump and Turnbull having a bit of falling out. As far as New Dawn, he and I had a falling out, but already he definitely was not much in line with pursuing the Party, at least not very much in line with your plans… Mostly my “Muslims in Support of the Far Right” is just sarcasm… I would basically be happy to see Trump destroy his country, as this would most likely open the way for somebody like Donny to actually have a chance to take power there and have a chance at making a serious difference.

“I was happy to see that link you posted about Trump and Turnbull having a bit of falling out.”

This doesn’t help the refugees themselves, though.

“I would basically be happy to see Trump destroy his country, as this would most likely open the way for somebody like Donny to actually have a chance to take power there and have a chance at making a serious difference.”

Would you be happy to see Netanyahu destroy Palestine to “open the way”, as you put it? The sanctuaries are the American Palestine now. Your suggestion spits on not only every one of Trump’s victims, but also on all the patriotic Americans fighting Trump every day right now for the sake of minimizing the number of victims. At least these patriotic Americans, for all their wrong thinking about human “rights”, democracy, the Constitution, etc., are listening to their hearts and standing up for justice. These are people who need every bit of positive support and encouragement we can give them. (Straightening them out ideologically can come later.) If PACPO is going to come to power, it will be by standing behind this anti-Trump movement every step of the way and finding ways to make the anti-Trump movement demonstrably more powerful (e.g. by getting it equipped with firearms, for a start) than it would have been without PACPO.

Everyone, please watch RoboCop 3. Are we supposed to let Trump OCP MAGA build Delta City, then wait for Delta City to fail, and then move the former residents back in? (Back in where? Their old homes would no longer exist by then!) No, we fight ICE the Rehabs and the Alt-Right Splatterpunks for every inch of ground!

@AS – Just know your suggestions themselves are not doing anything for the refugees either. You think you’re really something just cos you have some good ideas. The sooner you pull your head in and realise that you can’t just sit back in your ivory tower and call the shots, the sooner the chance that your movement isn’t going to just fall apart. All your calls for unity are actually a mask for division, as evidenced by the fact that everybody who is on your team is slowly leaving. You’re going to end up like some burnt out lonely person and all your optimism is going to just die…

He’s doing great with his suggestions, as evidenced by the many political parties that have emerged from the movement. Some leave this movement because they realize they’re not up for the task or have issues with the ideology. Thanks for your non-contribution.

“Just know your suggestions themselves are not doing anything for the refugees either.”

Of course not. Words by themselves do nothing; it’s the people who they inspire that are the ones who will change things. From what I’ve heard, you’re doing even less to help refugees, so I don’t get why you think yourself entitled to criticize others.

“All your calls for unity are actually a mask for division”

How so, exactly?

“You’re going to end up like some burnt out lonely person and all your optimism is going to just die…”

It doesn’t matter what happens to us. Even if what you say comes to pass, we still have a moral obligation to do what is right, no matter the consequences. I’d have thought you would know that by now.

Far as I know, Anthony, Hashtali and Numinous Sun aren’t around anymore; JJ still is, though, if I’m not mistaken.

@ Saifullah al-Maslul

“So who the hell are you”

Some random guy on the Internet.

“and how in your short time have you heard anything about me?”

By reading your comments.

“You sound so pompous and have learned well from AS in such a short time how to project hubris.”

I apologize if it looks that way, but come on – you’re the one who attacked people here first. At least stand behind your criticism – why do you think ideas and suggestions are worthless? We can’t exactly go around every country and arm people, nor can we personally form paramilitaries everywhere, so the best thing we can do is contact others and inspire them to apply what we ourselves physically cannot. Where’s the problem?

“You’re going to end up like some burnt out lonely person and all your optimism is going to just die…”

When I was a child, adults told me basically this. Even back then I promised myself that I would NEVER talk in the same way to the children of the future; instead I would always encourage them to maintain the high idealism that they all start out with, or – if they have lost it along the way – reassure them that they can recover it. So faced with this same old adult line again, how should I react except by keeping my promise?

@AS Would you be happy to see Netanyahu destroy Palestine to “open the way”, as you put it? The sanctuaries are the American Palestine now. Your suggestion spits on not only every one of Trump’s victims, but also on all the patriotic Americans fighting Trump every day right now for the sake of minimizing the number of victims.

Thank you.

As for some of the individuals that have left, some of them were extremely rude and incapable of working with other people. I am not glad that some of them left, but I am sad that no one has yet replaced their position.

If it is out of place for me to say this, go ahead and delete it: Saifullah has adopted the religion of Islam, and with it, an opposition to Arab Secularism. I think it is wrong to abandon what Nasser and many others worked to hard to achieve. New Dawn remains loyal to the Secular forces in the middle east, and this is probably what has contributed greatly to the falling out between the two of them.
I was personally very inspired by the AFP, however, this new theocratic pursuit that Saifullah has adopted has been discouraging to me. If you want to talk about division, I would advise you to look into your own rhetoric, and your own support towards certain individuals as a primary source of divisiveness.

@AS The article about Beth Fukumoto is inspiring, because I always felt that there was a strong segment of the Republican party that was true to its classical roots. I hope that one day individuals like Beth will pride herself as a Civic.

It seems we are not the only ones who have embraced the belief that the ideological seeds for a new Cold War have been planted. Some people have speculated that Trump’s incompetence in political matters could lead to another Bush-Cheney situation where the VP or others are the real leader, and it now seems that many believe Steve Bannon from Breitbart is the top power in the Trump administration. Here’s what Bannon has to say about his position in this new Cold War:

(Apparently Nance also brought up Bannon’s Leninist comment during the show, but it doesn’t seem to be in this clip).

Perhaps it is a good time to ramp up our anti-Duginism/new Cold War rhetoric to 9001.
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“You’re going to end up like some burnt out lonely person and all your optimism is going to just die…”

Or he could end up like Rudolf Hess, nicknamed the “loneliest man in the world”, who remained so optimistic that Zionists were unable to break him even after decades of solitary imprisonment, and had to murder him while he was a frail 93-year-old. Even then, his spirit remained so threatening to them that they destroyed his gravesite only a few years ago.

“Or he could end up like Rudolf Hess, nicknamed the “loneliest man in the world”, who remained so optimistic that Zionists were unable to break him even after decades of solitary imprisonment, and had to murder him while he was a frail 93-year-old. Even then, his spirit remained so threatening to them that they destroyed his gravesite only a few years ago.”

I would wish for it actually, believe me. But the trouble is that whose grave would be destroy? All I know of Aryan Sanctuary is the name Aryan Sanctuary and articles and comments on a website, whereas at least I have a name, a face, a quite public profile… AS could be in jail, for all I know already, but I would never know to be inspired by it…

““I’m a Leninist,” Steve Bannon told a writer for The Daily Beast, in late 2013.”

In 2013 Trump had not even decided to run for president yet. In 2013 Bannon was talking from the perspective of a typical pre-Alt-Right, powerless far-rightist of that time (shortly following Obama’s re-election) who considered the US unsalvageable, hence his comment BACK THEN. Given the US’s present position under a Trump presidency and his own present position as Trump’s top advisor plus the rise of the Alt-Right, the notion that he STILL thinks this way about the US is unlikely. Ever since Trump started talking about MAGA, and especially since it was confirmed that Trump would be the next US President, most far-rightists who previously had expressed resignation over the future of the US have switched to full support of MAGA. Bannon should be no different. I do not doubt that Bannon still agrees with Dugin that Russia is culturally superior to the US, but unlike Dugin who wants the US to crash and burn in order to highlight Russian superiority, I suspect that today’s Bannon wants to highlight Russian superiority by getting the US to imitate Russia. This is a different plan than Duginism, and indeed contrary to it.

If there is going to be a Cold War (or worse) because of Trump, it will not be US vs Russia, but rather US vs China:

Steve Bannon, the chief strategist in Trump’s White House, said he believed the US would go to war with China within five to 10 years during a radio broadcast in 2016.

“Perhaps it is a good time to ramp up our anti-Duginism”

Yes, but left anti-Duginism (ie. belief in Turanian Russian cultural INFERIORITY), not right anti-Duginism (ie. proposing the that the US imitate Russia). Does everyone here understand this extremely important conceptual distinction?

We would rather the US pursue closer ties with China (including collaborating against Russian influence), not to mention imitate China on issues such as autocracy and state control over reproduction, as well as get China imitating the US on other issues such as military interventionism (China should have invaded Myanmar long ago for the sake of the Rohingya):

The priority is to avoid a US vs China scenario (remember that Dugin considers China the biggest long-term threat to Russia, so a US-China alliance would fall comfortably within left anti-Duginism). This goes back to our discussion in private about your anti-Pacific-Pivot article. The Pacific Pivot is starting to happen. We need to stop it.