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13 Dec 2017 03:25:17
I read these on the most recent Score post about a Karlsson trade.

DAL: Heiskanen, Faksa, Oettinger, '18 1st
OTT: Karlsson

EDM: Klefbom, '18 1st, (Maybe) RNH
OTT: Karlsson

PHI: Patrick, Hagg, 2 '18 1st's
OTT: Karlsson

Out of all of them, i think i prefer the EDM one, since Klefbom is a guarantee's top 4 D. Also, If the draft were today, those picks would be #3(sens) and #4(oil). That would be great to have 2 top 4 picks. And having RNH would make Brassard expendable which we could probably get like a late first for.

Let me know what you guys think. Very curious to see what DAL, EDM and PHI fans think.

13 Dec 2017 08:11:25
From an Oilers fan perspective, it’s fine. Maybe the 1st being top 10 protected or something. But honestly Chiarelli is the kinda dude that would give Karlsson an 8 year 12.5 mill contract right when he hits 29, and that’s an L. Is it just me or is there something different about him? He playing with an injury? Bad team? He’s just not near his normal 75 point self, skating seems a bit off. There’s just risk that he needs to overcome before a big deal, hearing people already thinking his best years are behind him and this is a “Forsberg type ordeal”.

13 Dec 2017 11:54:13
I agree with Flying V about he the fact Karlsson seems a bit off. he has had 2 that I know of significant ankle injuries, I wonder if that is catching up to him. I'd be weary aboit wanting to sign him to big money long term. no doubt he has been the best offensive D man in the game for quite awhile now, and he's going to get his big payday, as he probably should. as a Habs fan, I'm starting to not like this long term big money contracts at the end of your careers. Lol. I'd like to see long terms till 35. then 2 year max deals. players would hate it forsure.
As for the trade, well I don't agree with Flying V bout pick protected. if your going to get Karlsson. your going to pay.
The Philly one. take out 1 of the picks but add Ghost.

09 Dec 2017 20:22:44
Defs don’t think they’ll need to add another 1st onto that. He’s having the season of his career right now and I doubt he can keep up this pace. However he is a very good player imo and one of the best defensive players in the league and if philly wants to rebuild I think this proposal is interesting but I can’t see sens pulling the trigger on it.

09 Dec 2017 22:25:16
I like the thought of couturier as a sen, being a forrmer player of coach boucher and all. i just wish they targeted a player like this rather than duchene, they gave up so much for duchene can't see them giving up this much at this point for another centerman.

11 Dec 2017 11:08:35
Hawks25 my friend, There isn't much logic ever used on this site. Get used to delusion and uneducated proposals. Lol. (Not saying this is one, but you made a big mistake in using logic here) .

08 Dec 2017 19:08:48
News flash; karlsson is a much better franchise player than both those guys and to get him out of ottawa it's going to take something huge coming back.

A top 4 defenceman, a young top 9 speedy forward, a top 6 forward, and the best defenceman in the world / top 3 player overall in the world
for 2 top 15 forwards in the world on their best days and a top 4 defenceman
Yeah I'd have to say that's pretty reasonable. It takes franchise to land franchise.

Benn and Seguin have prove they can be elite but not always consistently.
Outside of this year karlsson has proven like Crosby and mcdavid to be generational talent which is well above elite.
Maybe could add a mid round draft pick but the rest looks fine!

08 Dec 2017 22:35:01
1. Ottawa does not want to "dump" Karlsson. Its crazy that you think the Sens would have to Dump Karl. 2. Obviously the Stars aren't going to take both Ryan and Dion's contracts for their two franchise players . lol C'mon man .

09 Dec 2017 01:38:09
Also taking those contracts on would be a necessity for ottawa to complete that trade to get the best defenceman in the world you take a couple big cap dumps with him and give a good enough return.

09 Dec 2017 01:34:40
There has been talk about karlsson hoff68. whether it's talk that it liked or not. revolves around his contract talks. if they trade him they most definitely get something back. Dallas makes most sense. they've been known to make insane trades over the years for one. for two they have plenty of forwards to fall back on like spezza, hanzel, radulov, nishuchkin, etc.

Also what is wrong with taking Ryan contract? Aside from last year's regular season where he was far from playing healthy he's been a consistent 50+ point guy over the years and was Ottawa's second best player in the playoffs. also when he wasn't with Duchene this year he was steller too. while Phaneuf and oleksiak pretty much cancel each other out skill wise but Dallas defence core would take even more pressure off Pheneuf letting him play his game if this was to happen.

09 Dec 2017 16:14:50
What’s wrong with taking Ryan’s contract? Besides a round of lastvyears playoffs he was awful. He has a ton of money and a ton of years left on his deal and is underperforming more than overperforming on that contract. Phaneuf May be a top 4 D but again, he’s paid like a #1. Dallas would have to have Karlsson committed to staying to make a trade like this. He’s going to get mcdavid money. That means Dallas has Karlsson and phaneuf making $20 mill and still has Klingberg and methot etc? Makes no sense. Saying sens need to dump Karlsson is stupid, but thinking a good team is going to gut their core to get him is dumb too. Stars are worse after this trade even though they get the best player. Karlsson May get more than mcdavid and teams will be weary of making a massive splash till that’s sorted out.

09 Dec 2017 17:03:43
While I agree about Phaneuf being over played huge unbiased jim his contract is up in 2 to 3 years and with 3 huge contracts also leaving Dallas in this deal the money evens out.

The thing is though I strongly disagree about Bobby Ryan and so do the stats. while he is coming off the worst regular season of his career and can't find chemistry with Duchene, he was still Ottawa's 2nd best player in last year's playoffs and 2nd best player to start this year before he got hurt next only to mark stone and Erik karlsson respectively.

Also note that besides last year's regular season his worst season to date was the year before where he posted 48 points in 70 games working out to 0.70 points per game roughly. to say he's as bad as you continually let on he is can easily be portrayed as a joke.

And like I said above to get franchise players, espessially generational talent ones, you NEED to be willing to trade franchise players. it's been done before, it'll be done in the future, so why can't teams like ottawa get in on that? Dallas has been known to make trades like this. remember james Neal, Louis Eriksson, etc. who's to say they wouldn't be willing to do it again if the right player came along?

10 Dec 2017 05:21:19
#1) saying that phaneuf contract isn’t a problem because Benn and seguins money is leaving is rediculous. Just because it’s similar money going both ways doesn’t mean it’s spending the money right. Would you rather Jamie Benn or phaneuf for your money?!?

#2) Bobby Ryan’s worst season before last year was .70 PPG? He hasn’t had .70 PPG since 2010/ 11 on his entry level contract in Anaheim. Last season was his worst, but he has had multiple seasons with a lower points per game than his 48 in 70.

#3) are you seriously trying to compare a James Neal and Matt Niskanen for Alex Goligoski trade to a Jamie Benn and Tyler Seguin for Erik Karlsson? Come on man.

10 Dec 2017 17:57:56
1 - i'm not saying that swapping phaneuf contract for benn or seguin straight up is even just that you have to keep both teams under the cap and the only way to do it is to send similar contracts both ways. i said karlsson is going to easily be worth the biggest return of any of them making him the center piece. he will draw Benn and then some to get him. which is where Seguin comes in. in which case they will want something decent in return while ottawa can use karlsson as a way to move Phaneuf. obviously Dallas will want some decent replacements in their top 6 forwards so Ryan and dzingle are put in. then to even it out cap wise you send oleksiak contract back the other way.

10 Dec 2017 18:06:21
2 - I litterally looked up the stats on nhl. com for Bobby Ryan before I posted that unbiasedjim so I couldn't be blindsided and I can't honestly say with no doubts whatsoever that you are wrong. if you disagree you should probably take a look for yourself.

3 - yeah I am comparing those trades to Benn and seguin. because at the time those deals happened Neal and Eriksson were as big of a deal in Dallas as Benn and Seguin are now. are you really going to sit there and say that wasn't the case? Big trades happen, that's hockey. if they didn't then gretzky and messiest would have retired as oilers.

10 Dec 2017 20:00:39
Soo. i checked bobby ryans stats on hockeydb. out of his 9 full nhl seasons his best statistical season came 7 years ago, when he scored 34 goals and 71 points for the ducks. second best season came 8 years ago, when he scored 35 and 64 points with the ducks. his third and fourth best seasons were 6 and 9 years ago, 31 goals and 57 points with the ducks. in ryans four full seasons with the sens he never hit any of those targets for points totals and would only score 23, 18, 22 and 13 goals respectively over those four seasons. Missing a hand full of games every season with a sore finger doesn't really add to the guys value imo. anywho i don't expect you to understand this, all you'll want to do is argue alittle more about how you're right and the other 5 people that post a concern are wrong.

10 Dec 2017 23:32:55
I agree mostly with NoBiasRambo. If Duchene was worth what the Sens paid for then Karlsson will get them way more as he is still in the top 5 players in the world. I just don't believe it will be Dallas. Because the Sens have Chabot and upcoming White and others, I believe Karlsson should attract a top 3 forward depending from which team + a top 4 D-man (as you said) + a decent goalie + future prospects as well.

12 Dec 2017 04:04:18
It's ok NoBiasRambo some of these guy seem to thing they know everything. that's why I'm not on here as much any more lol. truth is I don't like the idea of moving EK but it could be inevitable. this ain't actually a bad proposal to be honest.

And as for the last comment by Facelift39. you do realise that Rambo is still right about ryan don't you? While he may have only gotten 23 18 22 and 13 "goals" respectively in each of those seasons you mentioned, he did still reach the 50 "point" mark in each of those as well which I do believe was the point Rambo was trying to make in the 1st place if I'm not mistaken. People never seem to let go of the bad but the good always seems to be swept under the bridge with one bad season.

Also, when it comes to the duchene deal I can't help but say I told you so. Turris tearing it up and duchene went to sleep. go figure!

13 Dec 2017 01:18:59
One bad season? i'm convinced senskill that you don't even watch hockey. bobby ryans 48, 54, 56 and 25 point seasons are ALL lower than the 57, 64, 71 and 57 point seasons he had in anaheim. my apologies for only pointing out the low goal totals, my opinion does not change.

Ott: Heiskane, Honka, Faska, Lethonen, bow, 1st, 2nd additional first if dallas wins cup in next two years or they re sign karlsson if both happen a 1st and a 2nd

I know Dallas has Klingberg but Dallas will have two years of karlsson and sequin under good contract and in two years spezza and methot will be UFA, no reason they can't keep core intact seguin, benn, radulov, karlsson, and klingberg and bishop both have good contracts and re sign lindell

07 Dec 2017 17:34:47
Thats a lot for a UFA and a AHL goalie. Also i don't see the reason for trading Condon, both our goalies are having down years but i think if both bounce back they are a great tandem.

07 Dec 2017 20:58:14
But, Neal is playing good. and your team isn! t in any sort of rebuild either. If you can beef up the attack, you should. Cause Neals easily going to garner a 1st+ at the deadline.

07 Dec 2017 21:40:06
Hoff, I agree with yea Ceci is a good young talent defencemen but They don’t have much to give up to get a top 6 winger imo without giving up white or brown. I would of said widemen and borowiecki but they are both hurt and I think Harpur claesson and chabot are ready to step in and take there spots. If they could get ride of phaneuf would be a plus
I’d love to see this as the top 6 D. I’m a sens fan if you couldn’t tell

05 Dec 2017 22:16:16
Karlsson literally said sunday, his first priority is to resign in Ottawa and stay. It's where his home is and all that.
That's a fact. He literally said that.
Said his other comments few days earlier were taken out of context.

06 Dec 2017 01:38:49
How many times has ottawa lost players because of management? Melnyk is not going to sign karlsson for the money he wants. regardless of the fact he said he wants to stay. If that's the case ottawa should trade him while they can.

07 Dec 2017 06:32:58
He has never said he’s not going to sign, but I would be happy to bet that he isn’t in Ottawa after 2019 if Melnyk still owns the team. He just traded turris + + for Duchene for one reason, so he didn’t have to open his dusty old wallet for 2 more seasons. He’s the only owner in the league I can honestly predict could let one of the best players in the world walk rather than get off his wallet. No other reason besides a low ball negotiation will keep Karlsson from being a senator for life, and I can see it happening. Sucks for sens fans, great for wherever he ends up.

05 Dec 2017 18:34:44
I think it's a little early to start trading Karlsson
. but. what about Philly

Patrick
Ghost
Hart
Simmonds

Karlsson

May have to do some other things for salary cap. I wanted to say Giroux, however, don't think Sens will wanna pay either him or Vorecek the money they make, may as well try to resign him instead.
I do hope Sens can resign him however.

03 Dec 2017 14:10:17
Sens next few games either make or break their season. If they come out of the road trip positive
OTT: Chlapik, 2nd
BUF: Kane
If it comes out negative
OTT: Anderson, Burrows
NYI: 1st
Anderson has struggled but he should bounce back and give the isles an upgrade

03 Dec 2017 19:50:58
The problem is Karlsson has not shown the form of seasons past. He is having a hard time coming back from injury. He also has not looked the same without Mathot partnered with him.

02 Dec 2017 20:36:32
MTL: Mete
OTT: Chabot, 6th in 2018
Mete has been trusted way more than his coach this year and is further along in his progression, Montreal gets a dynamic offensive threat to help their blueline

Dumont is getting the trust from sens coach on the 3rd and 4th line, juulsen still not cracking habs top 6 defence. so ottawa takes a risk, but the 6th rounder even things out so this is definitely fair.

04 Dec 2017 02:50:24
I think the Sens are tired of playing defensively and the other teams learned how to play against their system after last year's success. KArlsson is either still hurt or simply not interested in playing this anymore. He also wants between 10 and 12 Mil so either he or Boucher will leave. Sens get nothing if Boucher leaves no biggy but can get a lot of good players for Karlsson. Would rather see Karlsson stay instead of Boucher.

Calgary gets back the strong hard nosed defenceman they missed while getting an upgrade at backup goalie and a griity middle 6 player. Ottawa grabs a solid scoring option, even though he is too small to be considered elite.

02 Dec 2017 06:06:10
Phaneufcity. didn't you use to be senskill? You know, the guy that wanted to trade a bunch of crap for eichel and then put him 3rd line right wing? If not, you guys must be brothers.

02 Dec 2017 09:06:49
Brutal. This site is to the point now where it’s basically a waste of time. Used to be a REALLY dumb proposal or a troll job mixed in with a few decent ones and the odd good one. Now it’s 1 worth reading for 9 trolls. Let’s get back to good debate over stupidity.