A judge ordered them to have no contact with the family of Phoebe Prince, a South Hadley High School freshman who hanged herself in January after what prosecutors called an "unrelenting" three-month bullying campaign by six teenagers.

Mullins, Velazquez and Longe are charged as youthful offenders with civil rights violations resulting in injury. Mullins and Velazquez are also charged with stalking.

Bullies. Bullying comes in many shades. Shunning is a form of bullying. Destroying things is another.

Unrelenting:

Not relenting; having no pity; not being or becoming lenient, mild, gentle, or merciful; unyielding; inflexibly rigid; hard; stern; cruel

Once there was a King who was loved by all of his subjects, especially because of the hunting excursions he shared with them. As will happen, one day he died and his eldest son took the throne. Now this new king was an animal-lover to the core, and immediately outlawed all forms of hunting and fishing. His subjects accepted this for only a short time before they ousted him. This is a truly significant event, because it's the first time a reign was called on account of the game....

If you're so fired up about getting other threads going, Pants, then why didn't you start a new conversation elsewhere & let this thread fall to the bottom instead of reiterating your opinion? You could have easily walked away, but you didn't. You consciously chose to come back & stir the turd further. That's on you.

As far as Toto not deserving the shit storm? She came after me not once or twice, but SEVERAL times with motiveless malignity. Whatever she got she asked for. And in my experience with people with egos the size of hers? They generally require a LARGE take down if they are gonna get some learnin' through their thick little skulls. If you explain yourself politely, they just laugh in your face & keep on keepin' on. Which as we all saw, is exactly what she did.

I was polite, GT was polite, Star was polite. It was Toto that commenced with the unnecessary roughness & felt the need to spread it around. She brought it, I merely gave it back, albeit in spades. That? Is on her for starting shit in the first place.

I respect your opinion & your right to make it public, Pants. I, however, feel differently, so I guess we just agree to disagree on this one.

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"You're cute, like a velvet glove cast in iron. And like a gas chamber, a real fun gal."

perhaps, pants. but trust me when i tell you that if you had been here long enough you have seen the end result of her behavior, and a lot of people get hurt.

if you don't want trouble from a bull, you don't walk into the ring waving a red flag in a red jumpsuit.

if you think her behavior was acceptable, that is your right, and you have every right to speak your piece. i just don't agree. once you start "shooting" indiscriminately-- insulting everyone-- it's not cool. it spills into several threads, disrupting and hurting people minding their own business. i've seen it before. i've been involved in it before. we learned from it. that's why star suggested it go to the take it outside thread. an absolutely innocuous post for which she was insulted.

see, if shit gets heated around here, that is the thread that deads it. quietly, peacefully, and with minimal casualties, and no disruption to the threads. but toto wouldn't know that. she'd rather talk shit. she'd rather keep the fight going.

see, people like toto think they are above the rules, and because they don't know why rules exist, they don't need to follow them. they think they are better than other people. they shit on things without thought to the damage that they do. no, we have worked very hard to maintain things here with no moderators, and practically no help from the powers that be. lonewolves, and misanthropes have no place here. unlike other fora, WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK TOGETHER.

we have learned very hard lessons, and worked hard for solutions, and if people don't respect that, they don't have to be here, and we don't have to put up with their disrespect.

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"what a swell farewell party! we said goodbye to everything, including the lining in my stomach." - garvey, from the film, born bad

"That's one career all females have in common, whether we like it or not: being a woman. Sooner or later, we've got to work at it, no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted." --margo channing, all about eve

and, pants if you go back and look, toto's opening words were more like an opening salvo. she started by taking shots at the lounge. all the same, ap was polite if terse, and although i am a self-diagnosed hair-trigger hot-head, replied kindly to her twice, then she replied snottily to star, who is nothing but goodness.

by my count that's more than 4 opportunities to play nice.

...which she declined. we are very protective of this space, you cross the line, and you will be checked.

if she gets lumps, she's asked for them and tipped the f'ing waiter.

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"what a swell farewell party! we said goodbye to everything, including the lining in my stomach." - garvey, from the film, born bad

"That's one career all females have in common, whether we like it or not: being a woman. Sooner or later, we've got to work at it, no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted." --margo channing, all about eve

NOT barbaric. We have rules around here because we are largely a self-moderated board. Most topics already fit in a pre-existing thread, so we discourage the starting of new threads because they just gum up the works. Vanity threads are strongly discouraged. If you want to start a new thread then it needs to be vetted by the Community in the Community Forum. I suggest having the backing of at least five Busties before starting anything. As a newbie, you will have to wait a while before you will be able to do so. Don't like it, maybe we aren't the community for you.

I suggest you introduce yourself to us in the Newbies Thread. It is considered proper form. We want welcome you & know about you & your interests!

pants, this post is the post that started the current discussion in this thread. AP simply stated the what I've asked numerous newbies in the LTAS thread to do. Nothing inflammatory here from AP. If you review the thread, toto stated there are no rules here so, in that context, there is no mean-spiritedness or flamewar going on. There are discussions going on in other threads. If you feel some dormant threads need to be resurrected, then by all means, get a discussion going.

toto, your limited experience in the Lounge is clear by your wild accusations of AP and GT as demonstrating "mean girl" behavior. If you have been more active in the Lounge as part of your tenure here, then you would've encountered AP, GT, and myself in various circumstances having different opinions. It is amazing, and speaks volumes about the level of immaturity, if some people believe that if 2+ Busties hold a shared opinion, then it is equated with "mean girl" behavior. I asked AP and GT to take the discussion to the Take It Outside thread in order to keep this thread for the random links you've posted in here. As you've stated, there are no rules here.

With that my fellow Busties, as you know in Fight club, the first rule of Fight club is there are no rules. Thunderdome Baby!

Pants, you've been around long enough to know that I'm rarely inflammatory and don't jump headfirst into a lot of stuff unless I feel really strongly about it, which is why I've jumped in here the way I have. I think that Toto did take an offensive tone from the very beginning of jumping back in here, and I also think that she lashed out in the same way people are lashing out at her. (remember, this didn't get heated until Toto called AP "AuralPretentious" for 1) merely posting what she always posts when a newbie starts or resurrects a thread, and 2) after GT pointed out who Toto was, saying it would still be good etiquette, since toto hadn't been around in a long time)

The etiquette that AP pointed out was something that has evolved over time, with everyone's input, and everyone does their part to inform new people of it. I don't see that as administering rules, I see that as a courtesy that everyone has agreed upon and we keep each other in check. That's what's been so divisive about the whole troll / callie situation, that someone else has started dictating rules that were not agreed upon by the group... remember, that's how the community forum was started, because we all agreed over time that it would be a good idea and help to cut down on people starting unnecessary threads, and would help things run more effectively as a community. Now we've got someone else jumping in and not only laying down "laws," but blatantly putting people down for disagreeing with her.

I don't appreciate being told by Toto what the "rules" are in one thread, because this whole lounge is supposed to be a community. No one "owns" a thread or dictates what the "rules" of even one thread are. I don't appreciate someone telling me that "that's the way it is" and that they "can't help it if I don't like the rules" but that I'm welcome to the thread any time (if I'm willing to follow her rules, which is implied in this) fuck that. That's not how it works here, and it never has been.

It had been awhile since you had posted when you came back around, pants, and you didn't come in like a bull in a china shop telling people how things "should" run, claiming a thread as your own, and lashing out at a bustie who just posted the same thing that she posts all the time when a newbie starts or resurrects a thread. You settled into the COMMUNITY again, and the place that it has become. I personally love reading your posts and interacting with you - even if we may disagree now and then. (not that we have, but I think that it would be productive if we did)

This is ridiculous. Toto may have been a little officious in some of her posts but she hardly deserves this shit storm.

She isn't an asshole troll bombing the boards with anti-abortion propaganda or religious zeal, does all this time and energy really need to be spend in an attempt to put her down just because you don't like her tone?

She just came back to a thread she used to spend a lot of time on ages ago. She never spent much time on the rest of the boards so it makes sense that she wouldn't check through the newbies thread or the MIA thread in order find out exactly how things had changed in her time away.

I guess I don't get it, there's barely any action on this site at all but people will spend time on mean spirited attacks rather than posting interesting, funny and useful things on the rest of the dormant threads. It's just silly.

toto, who died and made you queen??? Really, MY thread and this is the way it is??

Maybe it's time you take your ego down just a notch because honey, there is nothing for you to be so hot and bothered about. You've been gone for a very long time and just as the others have said, this is a COMMUNITY. You should look up the word before you go and spreading your so called hot shit.

As for being rude, pot meet kettle. Just because you're an old timer doesn't mean I'm automatically going to respect you. you haven't been here for years and you coming waltzing back in here being a rude bitch and we're supposed to respect you when you are saying other people are rude?? Really??? What world are you living in. take your head out of your ass, you are not Queen Shit of Turd island, you are Fart the messenger girl.

Seasons fucking greetings.

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Hatred does not cease in this world by hating, but by not hating; this is an eternal truth. --- Buddah, The Dhammapada

Are you fucking kidding me? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

I find it quite amusing that you have strolled into the lounge after being gone for who the fuck knows how long, declared this to be "your thread" and are getting busy throwing your weight around as the dictator of your own little world. It's like you think this thread is your own personal liechtenstein.

look grandma, this lounge is an entity as a whole, if you want to have your own personal empire, get a fucking blog like AP suggests.

I like the COMMUNITY here, and in my estimation, you're as bad as a troll in your efforts to willfully not take part in that, and to break down the structure of it.

QUOTE(toto @ Dec 23 2009, 08:31 PM)

Nope, Zoya, that is the way it is. Can't help it if you don't like the rules, but you are welcome to the thread anytime.

No pissin' contest was meant. Surprised you didn't pick up on that

As for AP, that behavior by her and GT is unusual almost anywhere except threads for right wing conservatives. I kinda expect it there.

Yep, you might not think it's unusual, but look at this place. It's dead. Need to let it breath. Relax, say hello to newbies in a nice way. Quit bein' hostile. No flurries of PMs about newbies with the dogs let loose. This place will survive openness.

If you don't, the lounge will shrivel. I don't think the mag is doing well in this recession.

There is a high likelihood that there is no valid reason to limit threads. Just a rule someone made up that gets enforced because the enforcer likes enforcing.

i've been trying to be an adult, inspite of my urge to hand dumbfucks like toto their ass. besides, always fun and entertaining to see other busties do it.

it's funny toto, just cos you are an old school bustie, you thought you would stroll in here, and it would be the same as when you left, but here's the thing. wrong. you're not the oldest bustie here, hell, i was here before you. i guess you got schooled to the real: you ain't shit. ven was loved, you? good riddance. mutual respect is what makes the lounge work. we love and respect each other, and until you learn that, you're not welcome. yeah you can post all you like, but i have a feeling you'll get nothing more than more shit aimed in your direction. this is a living space, the people who come in here make it grow and evolve.

something you could take a lesson from. grow. learn. and most of all? take your head out of your ass.

GROW UP.

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"what a swell farewell party! we said goodbye to everything, including the lining in my stomach." - garvey, from the film, born bad

"That's one career all females have in common, whether we like it or not: being a woman. Sooner or later, we've got to work at it, no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted." --margo channing, all about eve

I see no reason to take this to the TIO thread. This is Toto's thread, we've been given tacit permission to do what we like here. And if that includes flinging her own poo back at her then so be it.

First of all, it was a dick move to attack GT & Star when you were pissed at me. Straight-up, first-class dick move. GT welcomed you back & Star was merely looking out for the sanctity of your thread by suggesting things be Taken Outside. That's another new civil thing you are clearly not privy to.

Toto, I was NOT indecent, rude, disrespectful, unkind, nasty or unpleasant to you in in way, shape or form. I do not know what possessed you to take the standard "these are the rules" speech as some kind personal affront. But. I *do* know that in subsequent postings you've shown yourself to be an insipid, obnoxious, megalomaniacal, petulant, boorish, & over all banal twatwaffle with fantastic delusions of grandeur. Honestly, now I wish I *had* been rude to you so that at least there'd be a reason for your being such an insufferable, ridiculous, exceedingly arrogant, over-grown fossil-child.

Your sense of entitlement is galling in the extreme. You got the standard info in regards to the standard newbie complaint of "I can't start a new thread!" Period. I didn't know your grace's delicate sensibilities would be offended, so I followed SOP. I wasn't even sure that you actually were the same person as Totomoto! Was I supposed to automatically assume you were & give you a returning hero's welcome? Perhaps drop to my knees to offer up hosannas because you graced us with your presence once again? I think NOT.

The Lounge is not your own personal fiefdom where you call the shots, so don't think for one hot second that the new Lounge rules don't apply to you, old school Bustie or not. WE are a COMMUNITY, most of us come here to be a part of said COMMUNITY. You want someplace where you run the whole show? You want your own little corner of the intarwebs? Get a blog like a normal, RATIONAL person & leave those of us that understand, follow & respect the COMMUNITY & it's rules alone.

As far as your thread goes? I could give a fuck & I SAID AS MUCH. Had you actually bothered to read my second post instead of getting your ass in the air & blindly spitting your verbal asswater, you might have noticed that I encouraged you to party the hell on in your thread like it was 19-motherfucking-99. Have at it & run it any old way that you like. But since you have zero respect for the COMMUNITY, I wouldn't expect any ticker tape parades for poor widdle besmirched Toto & her bruised ego.

You want some decency & civility? Then try offering it to others before you go shooting your smartcunt mouth off about things you don't understand/like, grandma.

Huh. 4000th post, post-dingo.

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"You're cute, like a velvet glove cast in iron. And like a gas chamber, a real fun gal."

if you really wanna have a pissing contest, toto, I've been here since late 97. never had a different name, managed to retain it through the dingo, even.

and I agree with Ketto, you're a newbie to the lounge in it's current state, and it would be a lot cooler if you respected the way the lounge has grown and changed organically over time (trolls, mods, new threads and all.) There is nothing unusual at all about the way AP called you out, if you look back thru the archives for other threads where newbies hop in, there was nothing out of the ordinary at all. And I'm a little confused as to why you've decided to take things out on AP moreso than anyone else. I don't think she was being out of line or even being snarky until you decided to enforce your rules that don't pertain to the lounge in it's current state.

and regarding the below - it just basically bugs the crap out of me that you've come in and told us how things work in "your" thread, when you've not even been around for god knows how long. just annoying as fuck, really. nothing more, nothing less. This is all of our lounge, not your personal military state, even in one thread.

QUOTE(toto @ Dec 16 2009, 10:15 PM)

Stargazer, thanks for comin' by, but this is a Miscellaneous Thread.

Here are the rules for a Miscellaneous Thread:

1. Nothing is off topic.2. Nothing is wrong.3. Bust rules do not apply here.4. You can close the thread down, you can come in, but the rules stay out.