I've seen praise for this thing all over the place, but honestly this is not all that great for "professional" caliber work.

This is not a "fan film"; it's supposed to be a "proof of concept" for a Hollywood feature BY Hollywood professionals that have worked on Thor, Spider-Man and Avatar. If you're going to name-drop films like that in your promotion, then this doesn't cut the mustard.

If it was a "fan film" then I'd love it, but since established industry pros put this together I can only see it as disappointing. It's a proof of concept that LOOKS LIKE a fan film.

If Random put this out as a PSW clip then I'd be all over it and sing his praises... but is this REALLY what you want to see from a Hollywood-caliber production in a movie theater?

I guess they were trying to create an "old photage" feeling, like Marvel Studio did with Captain America.

HeroineFX wrote: I've seen praise for this thing all over the place, but honestly this is not all that great for "professional" caliber work.

This is not a "fan film"; it's supposed to be a "proof of concept" for a Hollywood feature BY Hollywood professionals that have worked on Thor, Spider-Man and Avatar. If you're going to name-drop films like that in your promotion, then this doesn't cut the mustard.

If it was a "fan film" then I'd love it, but since established industry pros put this together I can only see it as disappointing. It's a proof of concept that LOOKS LIKE a fan film.

If Random put this out as a PSW clip then I'd be all over it and sing his praises... but is this REALLY what you want to see from a Hollywood-caliber production in a movie theater?

Surely (hopefully) Hollywood can do better than this.

I see your point, but I think that your judgement is a bit unfair. Having Hollywood professionals working on a project doesn't mean that you have Hollywood money. As far as I know this might actually be a "fan project", in the sense that none of these people was actually working for a major or established studio while doing this.

(formerly Anon, still Librarian)

"What is the point of having free will if one cannot occasionally spit in the eye of destiny?" ("Gentleman" John Marcone)

none of these people was actually working for a major or established studio while doing this.

That's true, but it's not like he's some fanboy film student doing this for the fun of it either. Director Jesse V. Johnson just released a feature for Anchor Bay starring Dolph Lundgren and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. He's a working director with experience, connections and resources. Here's the trailer:
www.craveonline.com/film/previews/201209...-trailer-the-package

At that level I don't think you get to call yourself just a "fan" anymore, but that's just my opinion.

I liked it with some minor quibbles about costume, actress, and powers. I've always been intrigued by the concept of taking WW back to the WWII era and putting her up against the Nazis (ala Season 1 of the Linda Carter TV show) but then how would they tie her into the JL movie WB hopes to make someday?

My take is that WW is a warrior. Everything about her and her culture is about warfare. About being the best warriors who have ever lived.

So, a film that emphasizes that kind of fighting is a perfect fit for the character. DC tried to make her a bit touchy-feely (and then there was that pilot for the WW TV series where she was both weepy and murderous), but she is at her best when she is kicking ass. WW versus the Army is always a good theme.

If that's where this movie concept is heading, featuring as the Nazi said, "an indestructable superwoman", then its going to be great, IMHO. How many movies have we had where a Class 100 or greater superbeing takes on the Army? We saw it in the Hulk. We also saw a little bit of Ursa wiping out Army types in one of the Superman movies, Otherwise, most of the superhero movies deal with fighting supercriminals with advanced tech. So a hardcore WW versus aircraft, tanks, troops, etc would be great fun.

I assume the Nazis want her secrets so they can make an army of superwomen. So that's what is at stake. The world would be way different if the Nazis had built hundreds of WW types and turned them loose on the Allies.

My biggest worry is that final scene. That looks like contemporary time. So after that WWII lead in, I'm betting we get a current day movie about what WW has become. That would not be as satisfying to me as a hard-core WWII Nazis versus WW theme that the preview spent most of its time on.

Although Wonder Woman is an Amazon I always liked the take that she was an "exceptional" individual.
She can fight and kick ass but does not go on murderous rampages.
Also the idea of Wonder Woman picking up a machine gun is just ridiculous.

I believe I just read on another thread here that Hollywood is steering away from Nazis because that makes the movie unsellable in Germany.
That's why Captain America fought Hydra in the recent movie.
Is this true?

Markiehoe wrote: Although Wonder Woman is an Amazon I always liked the take that she was an "exceptional" individual.
She can fight and kick ass but does not go on murderous rampages.
Also the idea of Wonder Woman picking up a machine gun is just ridiculous.

I believe I just read on another thread here that Hollywood is steering away from Nazis because that makes the movie unsellable in Germany.
That's why Captain America fought Hydra in the recent movie.
Is this true?

Yeah, the machine gun was one of my "quibbles" also. I'm not sure exactly how she would take down the Nazi plane attacking her, but I don't think it would be that.

Well, our bpjs - Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Schriften, a federal office responsible for the decision if a book, movie, game, etc. contains material unsuitable for minors, has a history of placing movies and games on the "Index" for nothing more than depicting swastikas.

If someone outside of the office thinks something has to be investigated by them, they file a report with the office and, if the decision is made to place it on that list, there can be no public advertising for the medium. The reasoning behind this is that while responsible adults have no trouble forming their own opinions on the subject, minors could be unreasonably influenced by dangerous political contents or gratuitous displays of violence and stuff like that.

In the 80s and 90s a lot of media were placed on the list, like, for example, the first Wolfenstein game. While I'm not really paying attention to things like that anymore, as far as I know there haven't been that many new additions in the last decade or so, even stuff like the Saw movies has no trouble passing through if it is reported in the first place.

Also, since the target audience for any comic book adaptation really doesn't care if anyone makes fun of Nazis (Iron Sky was a very good example of that), public reception shouldn't be a major reason for avoiding them in a movie.

In regards to the trailer, well I liked the actress but from what I saw in it, I'd rather re-watch Inglorious Basterds again. Of course, since it's nothing official, that's more likely caused by the budget than an unwillingness to include super-action.

EDIT: Now that I'm thinking of it, the German response to movie - Nazis and violence comes pretty close to the way pornography seems to be handled in the US. Except of course, we can't have hordes of angry religious people taking to the streets with torches and pitchforks (or whatever, I'm a bit influenced by the Simpsons in this;), here in Germany it has to be handled by official representatives.

HeroineFX: I think you’re right. This does feel somewhere between advanced fan film level and professional. Thanks for those links too – they were interesting.

Everyone: Did everyone know that “Confessions of a Teenage Supergirl” was done with the same thing in mind? It was even pitched to WB execs – who promptly freaked out about it and said to stop (or so I was told).

Putting it out there for free on a micro budget even if they are hoping for something out of it? I say kudos for trying.

I’m always amazed watching a pilot after a series has been on the air for a while and seeing how rough around the edges things can be. Maybe that was part of it also. A team of 18-21 coming together to shoot basically only action shots? I’m sure things didn’t gel right away – friends – volunteers – or paid pros.

Agreed on machine gun – now that people have pointed it out. Something in the back of my mind said “out of character” while I was watching but it didn’t dawn on me until people started pointing it out.

Other notes:
I wonder what the computer CGI overlay with “targeting” was all about.
NINA is a singer too? Haha!
I wonder if they switched around DP’s because one “style” seems to use depth of field and one doesn’t.

Can I work with a cast of 18?! What a blast and/or nightmare it would be!

Seems like a bunch of stunt people and VFX guys got together and said “wouldn’t it be fun” then found a model/singer/actress that wanted some publicity and did an okay job with it all.