Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 24, 2011 13:23:03 GMT -5

Yes because no kid with special needs has ever, ever been abused by their caretaker at school! You're so right. Thank you you solved everything!

No. This is why society needs to start moving forward when it comes to how it treats children in the home and the school. Not even just kids with special needs but also LGBT kids, or kids who are shy, or too short or too tall.

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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 24, 2011 17:55:02 GMT -5

This teacher needs to be banned from so much as BEING within one mile of a child.

So, essentially, banished to a small, uninhabited island?

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Post by ltfred on Dec 24, 2011 19:04:16 GMT -5

You know, we can probably criticise exactly what Horseman said- not some strawman version of what we'd like him to have said.

Clearly the argument is something like this: mainstream society does not understand special needs children, therefore mistreatment is inevitable. So we should segregate special needs children and put them in the professional carers, who are less likely to abuse them, although there are, as always, exeptions to the rule. It's not a hard argument to grasp, guys.

In the short-run, I even agree. In the long-run, I think mainstream society has to get over itself and learn to be civilised.

Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 24, 2011 19:22:34 GMT -5

Except you know... not every school has classes for kids with special needs nor should we have to sanction them off for their safety.

According to earlier information this is not the first time this has happened (or at least extreme punishment) and the victims weren't even special needs. Not to mention according to information on the Department of Education's website they are free to treat kids how they like to in the school. So... y'know. The argument is kinda null.

MaybeNever- Perhaps the solution then is to throw the chihuahua at the bad guy, then pump the shotgun while eating a big slice of cantaloupe.Am fear nach glèidh na h-airm san t-sìth, cha bhi iad aige 'n àm a' chogaidh.

Post by Sigmaleph on Dec 25, 2011 19:51:21 GMT -5

Except you know... not every school has classes for kids with special needs nor should we have to sanction them off for their safety.

"We shouldn't have to do X" is not a useful guiding principle. You have to deal with a system as it is, not as it should be. In this particular case, that means that it doesn't matter whether we should have to separate special needs children, only what happens if we don't.

I have no opinion I care to voice on the subject at hand, mind you. I'm just annoyed with should-universe thinking.

Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 25, 2011 20:46:55 GMT -5

Except you know... not every school has classes for kids with special needs nor should we have to sanction them off for their safety.

"We shouldn't have to do X" is not a useful guiding principle. You have to deal with a system as it is, not as it should be. In this particular case, that means that it doesn't matter whether we should have to separate special needs children, only what happens if we don't.

I have no opinion I care to voice on the subject at hand, mind you. I'm just annoyed with should-universe thinking.

So why bother posting?

You forget the first part of that sentence, that not all schools have that luxury. In which case it does come down to we shouldn't have to make the family of the kid choose between an education in an actual school or education at home if the school does not have the appropriate means for which to teach the child away from everyone else. Which means we shouldn't have to be content with how the system works as it is instead we should work to make it the way it should be. So that nobody has to face an ultimatum.

If one is supposed to be content with how the system is and not how it should be then how the fuck does anything change?

You also forgot the part where I said it doesn't just go for kids with special needs that the school system has to change for. It's for any kid who can be viewed as different.

Sorry that my thinking of how things should be instead of how they are offends you.

MaybeNever- Perhaps the solution then is to throw the chihuahua at the bad guy, then pump the shotgun while eating a big slice of cantaloupe.Am fear nach glèidh na h-airm san t-sìth, cha bhi iad aige 'n àm a' chogaidh.

Post by brendanrizzo on Dec 25, 2011 21:39:55 GMT -5

That's it. Mistreatment of children with special needs is something that really infuriates me.

Who wants to go over there and execute vigilante justice? I'll bring the crowbar...

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