Enjoy the 2012 season with David Ortiz. It will be his last with the Red Sox. There were many mistakes made in this process, the first being offering him arbitration.

Given that they reached an agreement, but only on a 1 year deal is a clear sign that this will be his last. The Red Sox handcuffed themselves by offering arbitration. If they hadn't, they could have gotten Ortiz for something in the $8M range.

I would not call one homer in sept being productive. He was productive against the bad teams and not against the rays or the yankees in the second half. We need someone who can be productive against the good teams and all the time, especially the teams in our division.

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I would not call one homer in sept being productive. He was productive against the bad teams and not against the rays or the yankees in the second half. We need someone who can be productive against the good teams and all the time, especially the teams in our division.Posted by jackbu

A-Gon hit .183 against the Yankees and .131 against the Rays. Where are all your threads about A-Gon?

BTW the Rays pitchers owned us in general last year. I doubt we had too many guys with good numbers against them.

It should technically be his last year. His last productive year was 07.Posted by jackbu

Are you serious? I'd hate to work for you. Get a clue.Over the last four years, he's averaged 28 HRs and 97 RBIs, despite not having Manny in the line-up to protect him. last year he had his hightest OBP and OPS since 2007, despite only getting 78 BBs (in 2007 he walked 111 times). And he's made the AS team twice in those 4 years.

break down the homers and tell me who they were against and against which pitchers. Tell me how many of his homers actually made a difference in the outcome of the game. a lot of his homers came when the sox were either up or down by several or more runs, thus eliminating pressure. no problem, the ortiz lovers are having their day and will be on a fourn roll until opening day. I will have may day the first time he goes 2 for 20.Posted by jackbu

break down the homers and tell me who they were against and against which pitchers. Tell me how many of his homers actually made a difference in the outcome of the game. a lot of his homers came when the sox were either up or down by several or more runs, thus eliminating pressure. no problem, the ortiz lovers are having their day and will be on a fourn roll until opening day. I will have may day the first time he goes 2 for 20.Posted by jackbu

You didn't answer the question about A-Gon's numbers. Why are you all over Ortiz and not A-Gon?

not really, but ortiz should have been gone a few years ago. If the pink hat fans on this forum paid attention more, they would realize that ortiz's stats equate to "down hill yards" in football.

Coach Bill does not pay much attention to the yards a running back accumualtes after a game is won or lost after half time. I am not sure why anyone would pay attention to the 10 or 15 homers that ortiz got off triple a pitchers and bad teams or when he got a homer when the score was 10 to 2.

break down the homers and tell me who they were against and against which pitchers. Tell me how many of his homers actually made a difference in the outcome of the game. a lot of his homers came when the sox were either up or down by several or more runs, thus eliminating pressure. no problem, the ortiz lovers are having their day and will be on a fourn roll until opening day. I will have may day the first time he goes 2 for 20.Posted by jackbu

In Response to Re: Papi's Last Year with the Red Sox : who needs fans like you who think 04 and 07 happened last week. Keep your head in the sand, the sox are going nowhere again with bog sloppy.Posted by jackbu

moon - Completely agree. I'm guessing they were negotiating for two, but since they couldn't come up with an agreeable amount, that's enough to make this year his last. Let him test the free agent market WITHOUT arbitration.

2012 will be an indication of what Ortiz's value is going forward. I personally don't think he is going to be worth the $14 million. But I'd hate to see him in a Yankee uniform hitting a home run that knocks the Red Sox out of the race.

break down the homers and tell me who they were against and against which pitchers. Tell me how many of his homers actually made a difference in the outcome of the game. a lot of his homers came when the sox were either up or down by several or more runs, thus eliminating pressure. no problem, the ortiz lovers are having their day and will be on a fourn roll until opening day. I will have may day the first time he goes 2 for 20.Posted by jackbu

You gotta love fans who would rather be right than see the team do well.

What value do you put on a first-round draft pick? You don't get that without offering arbitration. What happens if Ortiz puts up even bigger numbers in 2012? You let him walk away without offering arb again? IMO, he should have been given a 3-year deal with a team buyout. He would have felt more "respected" and we would have cleared $5M under the CBT.

Am I the only person on the planet who would have preferred them to go to arbitration? I fear that Papi already feels disrespected because the time it took and the one-year deal he received, and will thus be the mopey player he has been in the past when he feels disrespected. Since Arbitration contracts aren't guaranteed, the Sox would have had the flexibility to cut him if his attitude or performance becomes an issue this season.