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The EPIC Storm (TES) Vs. Fetchland Tendrils (FT) - The Competition

This competition started in the "What is the best current combo deck?" thread. It's too determine which deck (TES or FT) has a better blue based aggro control and blue based control match-up. Myself and Emidln are going to play six rounds against each Tacosnape running U/b/g/w Landstill and Freakish777 playing UGwb Counterbalance Threshold.

Rules:
Everyone involved is to take notes and save game logs.
If MWS Crashes restart that game.
Keep track of results (2-1, 2-0, 1-2, ect. all 6 rounds.)
Keep track of what each winning turn was.

Power wouldn't lay in the hands of the few if the general population was more educated and actually voted. Why should the government care about you if you don't vote? (Partially why I hate the electoral college and 2-party system)

It's trivial to get to lethal storm count for Brain Freeze with Doomsday, IGG, and Sensei's Divining Tops in the deck (each can generate lethal storm on their own or in various combinations). This is a better win condition than ETW for near-petalless FT since it manages to avoid mass creature removal (EE/Deed/Clasm) that may be in/have come in while still getting around Mage (and actually Teeg as well).

I think that all game logs should be posted after all matches are completed. Once they are, I'll be letting Bryant and emidln post the game logs of our matches, and saying that they either match my own game logs, or don't match my game logs.

Those results aren't that bad at all, IMO. Going 2-4 against your worse MU is not that bad. Report!

Is it the worst matchup? I was always under the impression Dragon Stompy or Stax (basically board based control) was worse, but that might have been before CounterTop. It would have been interesting to see one of those decks included.

Anyway, I love this idea and we need more of it. Highly skilled players playing their decks and taking detailed notes is the type of thing I can eat up, especially when it is not just one on one).

Warrens shines against those two decks. That's pretty much why I'm sure that TES is better than fetchland tendrils - no warrens vs. yes warrens.

Against freakish777's Thresh, game 1 is a goblin freeway and only 2 EE makes it a bit worse for ETW post-SB, but not like they are easy to find that quick. Tacosnape's Landstill has 5 board sweepers that can clear ETW tokens on turn 3 (or 2, for Punishment). They are good against deck number zero one, but I don't believe so against deck number zero two.

ETW and the Prison match up isn't all that relevant, you either go straight for your Tendrils or you SB in Shattering Spree and just clear their board and win at your convenience.

And for Fetchland Tendrils no matchup is relevant, you either clear their board full of permanent hate with Serenity, Wipe Away, Rebuild, Rushing River end of turn and/or you go off with double Chant protection (which you are able to tutor for) and win at your convenience. In fact, for Fetchland Tendrils Chalice-based decks are a bye and Threshold/Landstill should be a ~60%-70%-matchup if you pilot your deck correctly.

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(wasn't this exactly the way of arguing one should avoid when talking about combo decks?)

(also note that Bryant's list plays exactly one Shattering Spree. I know you play 4, but still)

EDIT: wtf @ deleted posts? wasn't the sarcasm obvious?

Last edited by Brehn; 05-14-2008 at 11:19 AM.

Team SPOD

[23:08:50] <@Anusien> You want me to actually test?
[23:09:02] <frogboy> I thought you already had

Originally Posted by herbig

Those better times were when you were ignorant of the state of things.

And for Fetchland Tendrils no matchup is relevant, you either clear their board full of permanent hate with Serenity, Wipe Away, Rebuild, Rushing River end of turn and/or you go off with double Chant protection (which you are able to tutor for) and win at your convenience. In fact, for Fetchland Tendrils Chalice-based decks are a bye and Threshold/Landstill should be a ~60%-70%-matchup if you pilot your deck correctly.

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(wasn't this exactly the way of arguing one should avoid when talking about combo decks?)

(also note that Bryant's list plays exactly one Shattering Spree. I know you play 4, but still)

EDIT: wtf @ deleted posts? wasn't the sarcasm obvious?

I didn't mean TES vs Stax is an irrelevant match up, I meant using ETW vs Stax isn't relevant because the match up comes down to racing the first lock piece with Tendrils of Agony or resolving a Shattering Spree. Stax has too much removal for ETW to be effective, so if you're relying on Tokens to win the match up, you're probably fucked.

Storm vs Prison is just a stupid match up, it always results in one deck completely blowing the other deck out of the water. I didn't mean to imply I've never been locked out of the game, I have and it sucks, hence 4 Shattering Spree; I wouldn't run 4 Shattering Spree if I didn't respect Prison's win % against combo any way.

So in short, ETW is bad against prison, Shattering Spree is good against prison.

Originally Posted by wastedlife

Breathweapon, I regret saying this but ... I've been liking you more and more every day.

Because this topis is about "What is the best current combo deck?".. I really hope you guys test more matchups.. Not only against Blue Based (I'm thinking of decks like Staxx, Discard, Fast Combo, etc..).

Jip

If you read either thread, you'd know that we're determining which deck has a better blue based control/aggro control match-up.

Those results aren't that bad at all, IMO. Going 2-4 against your worse MU is not that bad. Report!

It's not bad for a combo deck, but considering that you're going 2-4 against a deck that makes up a big share of the metagame (especially when adding other blue-based decks that run CBalance + Top, Force, Stifle and additional disruption, like Dreadstill, UWb Fish, Merfolk or CTop MUC into the equation), it seems to be not enough to get up to Tier 1 status.

And is there any chance for there being a competition against Stax/Stompy builds, or do you guys (emidln + Bryant) have better things to do in the next weeks ? Because I find those things very interesting...