SBJ article(previously posted in another thread)reporting that ESPN and the Big Ten have agreed on a tv rights package for about $190 million per year with the total being about $440 million per year without including BTN revenue.Link at http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour ... g-Ten.aspx

As usual, you make a lot of sense, Lash. I wonder whether UNC and UVA would move without NC State and Va Tech?

Well no, if referencing reality, because the states of North Carolina and Virginia are the ACC's core. The rambling makes little sense, considering the schools specifically, unless the desire is the breakage of the ACC. The SEC would never give Notre Dame partial membership, but acknowledge, if forced to full-time fb, I would not be surprised if Notre Dame would choose the SEC over the B1G. The ACC will hold Notre Dame to the terms of their contract for the duration. Like Texas (LHN), Notre Dame is going to have special, lucrative media/TV deals and everybody will continue to go along even if a few complain.

Article out of Champaign(previously posted in another thread)with comments from Illinois AD regarding Illinois finances and the expected 26July announcement of the new Big Ten tv rights deals at http://www.news-gazette.com/sports/illi ... world.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am quite sure their is some envy out their of how much the Big Ten schools are making in some power conference circles. It is a little embarrassing the Big Ten can not count correctly or this article does not report facts correctly.

Unless my math fails me, the Big 12 schools are getting 30 million dollars this year for tier which matches the Big Ten Tier 1 money that will start next year. Not counting tier 3 money by the Big 12, maybe the Pac 12 with 25 million is only half of the estimated future Big Ten projections, the Big 12 is in a much better shape with most schools making in the an average of 35 million per school with Texas checking in at 45 million per school.

This is before the Big 12 championship game kicks in next year that will bring an estimated 2 to 3 million more dollars per school.

The Big 12 at the very least still has the Big Ten in binocular views of revenue.

If I were the Big Ten would not brag too much with envy until this revenue turns into some sports success especially for a school like the University of Illinois.

Getting trashed in the playoff by your football champion and failing to reach the final four in basketball is not the term I would use as envy for now.

This Golden Goose is not likely to last forever, as already ESPN is starting to feel the pinch...

The schools need to be smart and use this windfall to invest in one-time non-recurring costs like facilities, and resist the temptation to lock themselves into overpaying for ridiculous 10-year contracts to coaches / staffs....

Agree - even on existing facilities there is a hefty maintenance bill.

But say you want to build a new swimming facility for $25-$30 million. that might require a bond issue.With these big payouts from TV - now is the time to pull that off -IF YOU DON'T try to compete with Alabama and devote $6 mill to the head football coach, and another $6 mill to his staff.... those kind of payments are utterly ridiculous and the schools and boosters need to start showing some restraint.

Is now the time, if the system wants 4 super-conferences @ 16 or so each, to make their move on the B12? I am not recommending this, but if the idea is some goal among the power elite, poaching the B12 now, while still at 10 members, seems like the least difficult road to do so. Some sports' commentators are advancing the thought:

I am quite sure their is some envy out their of how much the Big Ten schools are making in some power conference circles. It is a little embarrassing the Big Ten can not count correctly or this article does not report facts correctly.

Unless my math fails me, the Big 12 schools are getting 30 million dollars this year for tier which matches the Big Ten Tier 1 money that will start next year. Not counting tier 3 money by the Big 12, maybe the Pac 12 with 25 million is only half of the estimated future Big Ten projections, the Big 12 is in a much better shape with most schools making in the an average of 35 million per school with Texas checking in at 45 million per school.

This is before the Big 12 championship game kicks in next year that will bring an estimated 2 to 3 million more dollars per school.

The Big 12 at the very least still has the Big Ten in binocular views of revenue.

If I were the Big Ten would not brag too much with envy until this revenue turns into some sports success especially for a school like the University of Illinois.

Getting trashed in the playoff by your football champion and failing to reach the final four in basketball is not the term I would use as envy for now.

Just a disclaimer to start off, I'm an Illinois fan, but you haven't hurt my feelings I freely acknowledge we have been a dumpster fire athletic program in football and basketball recently...but I think the point of the article is Illinois, throw in Purdue, Rutgers (when they become full time members), ... that also have been football dumpster fires are likely to make more money from TV/media conference deals than Texas with there own sweet deal in Big12 & own network and is generally viewed as the number 1 athletic department in terms of revenue (or in top 3 with Oregon/Ohio State).

To lazy to look up numbers, but as I recall Big12 with new TV contract just handed out ave. of ~ 35 mil, but it was up a large amount from ~30 million previous year which indeed get it close to B1G number for 1 year (caveat is that may be average number including Texas/OK number - but not that important at this point - on the B1G number it is worth noting, Nebraska, Rutgers, MD are not on full shares yet which inflates number a bit, but I believe B1G has been also holding some money to pay MD's ACC exit fee as well...so don't hold too much in either's 1 yr number).

This analysis was a prediction after 1st half with Fox was signed, assuming they would get same amount for 2nd half of Tier 1, which didn't happen, but it came in reasonably close. A few other caveat's, seems like the 740k tournament line is probably in Fox deal announced, Fox deal when it came out was stated with up to caveat, leaving me to speculate that content may have had some provisions to negotiate/leverage 2nd half of rights, contract is likely not split evenly over 6 years (will be less year 1), BTN will undoubtedly grow. So to me 50 million seems pretty reasonable guess from a back of the napkin sort of calculation level if the first tier TV numbers are near what has been rumored & I'd bet for planning purposes B1G ADs have a number and that is where this 50 mil came from.

Big XII cash grabbing and replacing Missouri with Memphis is small time. And since the Big XII is small time, it just means its members will be up for sale in 2024. Who should the Big Ten purchase from the Big XII?

Texas - Sure why not? Adds strength to the west and the cultural fit stuff is overplayed. We're all humans. Some of us like cowboy hats and some don't. But at the end of the day all humans like Texas Cheerleaders in those sexy chaps.

Oklahoma - Yeah. This should have already happened. Imagine if they were added instead of Rutgers. Big Ten would have gotten a Final Four out of it and possibly doubled-down in the Playoff.

Kansas - If for some reason the two schools above cannot be purchased, then yes. Their basketball is worth it. The Duke of the conference on arrival. Ticket sales and fan interest in Big Ten basketball go way up and I'm sure Fox Sports and ESPN would want them playing Indiana, Illinois, Iowa and Wisconsin instead of having to showcase them against Baylor and schools from states with smaller populations.

West Virginia - I would. I don't care about the academic thing and actually think it is noble to serve the citizens of your state ABOVE wanting to flood your school with International Students and out-of-staters just to claim "academic superiority". The whole point of a state school is that it should feel like the state.

The rest of the Big XII ... zero interest.

Connecticut - Sure and I would sign them for a 1/6 pie cut (for 20 years) which they would jump out of the gym for.

Cincinnati - some. If they become AAU then yes, just because the SEC could get them down the road.

The ACC appears to be serious now about being a P4, so the Confederate States are off-limits. Notre Dame will always want to snub us so they are as well. Poaching the ACC again would be fun though. Like one day just buy Pittsburgh and make the ACC settle for Temple. Likewise, the SEC should buy Florida State and make the ACC settle for USF.

If the Big 12 does not extend their GoR, with (or without) expansion, that is a clear sign some members of the conference intend to leave. Clay Travis (Fox Sports) indicated that schools such as Oklahoma and Texas could commit to leaving the conference in 5 to 7 years as the current GoR expires.Here is a recent comment from Paul Finebaum that was said on ESPN's College Football Live: “There are rumors all over the place about other leagues poaching,", and "I believe Oklahoma would probably rather be in the SEC or the Big Ten than the Big 12."

Could something happen sooner if the Big 12 is unable to reach a consensus about moving forward?

Travis spoke about scenarios whereby the BIG could pursue Texas and Kansas; and the SEC would possibly take OU and oSu.

Would the ACC then accept WVU, particularly if Notre Dame committed to full ACC football? The ACC made themselves way less vulnerable with the new TV deal and GoR extension, though the exact, complete financial value for the long-term is yet to be disclosed.

OU moving alone could be tricky without oSu. Politics could affect what happens in Kansas as well. Would Texas politicians be willing to see Texas Tech left behind if UT moves? Would the PAC 12 get involved?

Could something like this happen?:BIG takes UT and KU.SEC takes OU and oSu (or a second in another state such as KSU).ACC takes WVU (or UConn or Cincy that are not from the Big 12).or PAC12 takes UT, TTU, oSu, etc.

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