Just Pre-Ordered my copy from Best Buy Canada. Can't wait to get this thing installed on my PC. Hopefully that special MAP will help out within the game. If this game is anything like Oblivion in terms of the massive upon massive world you get to explore, that is going to be great.

We got dual wielding, right? I say shove one through his one eye, sit down, have a nice chat about how stupid he is and how glorious I am, and if he feels like fighting me some more shove the other through his other eye and start throwing forks and knives at him until he dies.

I was looking forward to playing TES V, but I will not support a company who treats their honest customers as criminals.

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what? i almost don't even want to dignify that with a response, but my lesser half prevails.

steam is far from a restrictive drm. digital download is the way of the future and partnering with steam for example is a great way for a developer to get their product out there. you seem to not recognize that bethesda is one of the few devs that aren't backed by ea or actiivsion. they don't have a publishing powerhouse and therefore have to make concessions. (as though every single ea, activision or ubisoft game isn't tied to their respective softwares)

i really wish you guys would step back and look at your argument. you are getting upset over innovation and modernization. if the purpose was to lock you online, i would agree - but i don't believe that is the case. i am positive that bethesda is simply trying to distribute the game in the most efficient manner possible, and steam is one hell of an efficient manner.

what? i almost don't even want to dignify that with a response, but my lesser half prevails.

steam is far from a restrictive drm. digital download is the way of the future and partnering with steam for example is a great way for a developer to get their product out there. you seem to not recognize that bethesda is one of the few devs that aren't backed by ea or actiivsion. they don't have a publishing powerhouse and therefore have to make concessions. (as though every single ea, activision or ubisoft game isn't tied to their respective softwares)

i really wish you guys would step back and look at your argument. you are getting upset over innovation and modernization. if the purpose was to lock you online, i would agree - but i don't believe that is the case. i am positive that bethesda is simply trying to distribute the game in the most efficient manner possible, and steam is one hell of an efficient manner.

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I was purchasing a retail disk, not a digital download.

How about this; you spend your money where you want, and I will spend (or not) mine as I see fit.

I will never use Steam.

If that means I will never play any games, so be it.

And by the way, I do patronize EA or Activision because of their policies, either.

How about this; you spend your money where you want, and I will spend (or not) mine as I see fit.

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how about this: when you post your opinions on a public forum, people with differing opinions are likely to comment and respond. i believe you are being unreasonable, and you can care or not - but your hardline stance only proves the point further.

how about this: when you post your opinions on a public forum, people with differing opinions are likely to comment and respond. i believe you are being unreasonable, and you can care or not - but your hardline stance only proves the point further.

you have made up your mind, so why complain about what is the norm? this is the way it is, you have decided not to keep up.

My opinion is if someone supports a game so much and would in fact love to play it then who cares what program you have to run it through... The only thing that matters in the end is that you play the damn game you have been waiting so long for... Ok, im done

The guy at gamestop didn't mention anything about the steam client. Damn it.

I'm gonna have to cancel my pre-order when I get out of work. Which basically means I am looking forward to no gaming this entire winter. I think I will take up HEMA, or WMA. Probably Kunst Des Fechtens over Armizare either way though.

The guy at gamestop didn't mention anything about the steam client. Damn it.

I'm gonna have to cancel my pre-order when I get out of work. Which basically means I am looking forward to no gaming this entire winter. I think I will take up HEMA, or WMA. Probably Kunst Des Fechtens over Armizare either way though.

I don't see a problem with Steam, I love seeing my Steam folder plump full of games, last I checked it's something like $2400 worth of games.... I haven't spent over $500 to get all of that.

I'd rather have companies spending time to develop their game then spend money and time working with DRM. But investors still want that DRM there, so going with Steam is a win/win/win since all of their titles have been on Steam anyways. They get the DRM they were looking for (which isn't a bad DRM at all), and we get the game we were looking for without them dicking around too much with DRM.

i don't see a problem with steam, i love seeing my steam folder plump full of games, last i checked it's something like $2400 worth of games.... I haven't spent over $500 to get all of that.

I'd rather have companies spending time to develop their game then spend money and time working with drm. But investors still want that drm there, so going with steam is a win/win/win since all of their titles have been on steam anyways. They get the drm they were looking for (which isn't a bad drm at all), and we get the game we were looking for without them dicking around too much with drm.

I don't understand why everyone is defending steam in the first place. Arctucas didn't actually mention any of the debate points regarding steam that the rest of you rallied together to defend. His original post was actually very indirect, he could have been talking about any company. In fact I think he meant pretty much any company. It's the same reason I don't own an ipod.

In a lot of ways, that alone highlights what is wrong with the service. If I walk into TGI Fridays and say, "This place sucks", the staff will generally respond with "There are no rats here! We don't water down the drinks! Our chicken is not overcooked!" That is probably exactly what is wrong with the restaurant. It's funny to watch cult members scramble to justify themselves.

The posts are funny to watch, actually. Things like "You complain about DRM, but..."
When He didn't actually say anything. That is clearly Plurium Interrogationum. Talk about bullshit. I do love the other non sequitur posts a bit more than the usual ad hominem stuff I find here, that's for damn sure. Ripping good laugh.

What, getting a no-steam crack for a game he bought? You complain about DRM, but you refuse to buy a game when you can get rid of that DRM? I do not see how that is better than pirating....

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I suppose it is matter of principle, or morality, or sense of right and wrong, whatever you wish to call it.

I believe everyone makes their own decisions, and no-one should let others unduly influence or coerce them. I have not said anyone should choose to buy or to not buy the game because it requires Steam. I said that I have made the personal decision to not buy it because of that requirement.

It is also my belief that there is a big difference between boycotting a company and stealing. However, others may believe differently, it not up to me to judge them, and I would hope they would afford me the same consideration.

wow, you're going to let STEAM stop you from playing TES V? LOL. Steam is the greatest invention ever for PC games. I wish all games were on steam.

You people who are against 'big companies' (is Valve _really_ that big?) are just hypocrites or wanna-be hipsters. "Oh a company is popular for its services? Well they must be evil because so many people use them." I'd like to see how far you get playing games without the big companies Microsoft or Intel. Maybe you wish everyone was still on Colecovision because at least that was DRM free. Get real and stop trying to spread your disease and negativity to the people who actually like things convenient.