House conservatives: No, we’re not going to oust Boehner

posted at 4:41 pm on October 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

They wanted to try to defund ObamaCare, even if it meant a shutdown, so he tried to defund ObamaCare even if it meant a shutdown. It was never going to work, everyone knew it, and Boehner went ahead with it anyway. If he had followed “don’t blink” any further, it might well have meant hitting the debt ceiling and sparking a crushing new economic downturn for which the GOP naturally would be blamed.

“I don’t think Speaker Boehner has anything to worry about right now,” said Rep. Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho), a conservative who refused to vote for Boehner in January.

Speaking at an event with fellow conservatives, Labrador said he was “really proud” of Boehner’s handling of the fiscal crisis and that, over the last 2 1/2 weeks, “he has been the kind of Speaker I’ve been looking for for the last 2 1/2 years.”…

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) told The Hill, “Conservatives feel like he’s fought the good fight. … You can quote me on that.”…

“There is absolutely no talk of anything along those lines. No talk,” said Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), a former chairman of the conservative Republican Study Committee who frequently opposes leadership proposals.

So whom do the tea partiers blame, if not Boehner? You guessed it: The RINOs.

“Actually I think the speaker stood up and said ‘this is what we’re going to do.’ I remember at conference on Thursday he said ‘there’s only one way out of this, and that’s to win.’ Well, that’s not the way it ended up,” says Representative Tim Huelskamp.

“But it’s pretty hard when he has a circle of 20 people that step up every day and say, ‘can we surrender today, Mr. Speaker? Can we just go away? Can we make it easy?’ I mean, whining and whining. I would say surrender caucus, but it’s a whiner caucus. And all they do is whine about the battle, as if they thought being elected to Washington was going to be an easy job,” he says.

Fun fact: Even though there were surely at least — at least — 30 centrist Republicans who knew the “defund” strategy was headed nowhere and wanted to avoid the needless pain of a shutdown, they stuck with Boehner and the tea partiers on floor votes throughout. Whether that was out of party loyalty, loyalty to Boehner himself, or abject fear of being primaried (although in that case, why would they dare criticize tea partiers vocally like Peter King and Devin Nunes did?), the fact remains that a real RINO revolt would have given House Democrats’ discharge petition a fighting chance. It never happened. If anything, grassroots centrist Republicans who never believed “defund” could win have a lot more to be angry about with the RINOs in Congress than grassroots conservatives do with Boehner or House tea partiers. For all their talk, King, Nunes, and the rest of the RINO 30 (or 40/50/100) never tried to build a serious counterweight to tea partiers, which is the only thing that would have given Boehner cover to pronounce this whole thing pointless before the eve of Debt Ceiling Day. They couldn’t do it, whether for reasons of fear or complacency. Which, actually, makes me sort of agree with what Huelskamp says about “whining.” If you’re going to grumble about tea partiers taking over the party and endangering the country but you refuse to vote against them for fear of losing your seat, maybe spare everyone the self-congratulatory blather about how high-minded you are.

Here’s Boehner’s statement this afternoon confirming that the House GOP won’t try to block the Reid/McConnell Senate bill. “We fought the good fight,” he told Bill Cunningham. “We just didn’t win.” The more rounds of phony brinksmanship we go through, the more I think Boehner is a perfect compromise choice between righties and centrists in the caucus insofar as he’s too far to the center to do anything really radical, like hit the debt limit, but he’s sufficiently captive to tea partiers to engage in a pantomime of radical action every once in a while. Then, when it inevitably fails, tea-party members of the caucus can blame the RINOs rather than Boehner for having thwarted them, which is good for their own conservative cred. And RINOs get to exhale and tell themselves with that not too much damage has been done by Boehner’s tactics — certainly not enough to jeopardize the House majority next year. It’s an odd, uncomfortable arrangement, but it works. If you define “works” loosely. The only compelling reason to oust him isn’t because he’s a RINO or because he panders to tea partiers, it’s because he’s … just not that good at negotiations:

If you walk into a car dealership and offer a deal that’s rejected without any counter being offered, you don’t keep unilaterally raising the price you’ll pay. Car salesman have a word to describe a person who does that: sucker. Don’t walk into a car dealership unless you’re prepared to walk out. And before you walk in, you had better know the walkaway price demanded by your spouse.

In short, Boehner’s constant negotiating foibles have eliminated his ability to be an effective negotiating partner with Obama and Reid. He lacks the trust of his caucus, he and his leadership team of Cantor and McCarthy are incapable of counting votes, and Obama and Reid don’t respect him as a negotiating partner.

That’s from Sean Davis, who calls on Boehner and his top deputies to resign and make way for a shrewder negotiating team — which would be fine, if not for the fact that that means a death struggle within the caucus over whether the next Speaker should be a bona fide tea partier or another establishment figure. Can a new odd, uncomfortable arrangement be reached, or would that mean a deeper schism? Exit quotation:

Sense from talking to House GOP about Boehner's surrender: Tea Party blame the moderates, moderates blame the Tea Party, Boehner unscathed

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you ever see a Red Bull Flutag event ??…
they make home built planes and run em off a pier..
they draw like 100k+ ppl in Long Beach to see it..
if ‘millions’ of poor citizens needed all this BHO-care
where are the success stories by the thousands..
where are the crying children saved??
where are the gleeful ppl waving a 2500$ check each..??
wheres the party…
Flutg is a party…i dont see one here..
and you know the press would have it on 24/7
if they could only …find the party…

with so many on so many different handouts goodies phones EBT cards
welfare ADC school lunch give away du jour…

When the economy is weak because of a once in a generation financial crisis and its aftermath, who to blame? Of course, attack the poor!
After all, it’s not the fall of the American manufacturing empire that’s undermining the middle class, it’s the bottom 4% of society- and those scumbags who work at McDonald’s 50 hours per week and need food stamps to survive.

Funny, that’s exactly what we’ve been saying, after the squishy “moderate” faction’s monomaniacal insistence that the party go with hardcore, doctrinaire Republican liberals at the top of the national ticket, in both ’08 AND ’12, proved directly responsible for eight grueling years of unrelieved socialism under Lord Obama.
Kent18 on October 16, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Maniacal insistence?! Are you serious? I believe that’s called a “Republican Primary” and conservatives couldn’t even garner enough votes to be Mitt Freaking Romney. YOU’RE the ones with a maniacal insistence, going so far as to even expect everyone else to follow along with you terrible strategies(if you can even call it that)and furthermore to follow you into the “burn it down phase” if you can’t succeed. Then blaming anyone and everyone else for YOUR strategies abject failure.

THAT’s maniacal insistence, winning a primary, which you guys can’t even do that, is not.

You act like it’s all just a conspiracy to keep you guys bottled up, when the truth is, there’s really just not enough of you. And certainly no where near as many as you THINK there are.

The party listened to you. The party tried you strategy. And it was a miserable failure. But all you can do now is blame everyone else.

Endlessly amusing to see the GOP infighting. It’s even more strange that no one on the right wants to admit that you can’t force your will on the country after losing a Presidential election and failing to win a majority in the Senate. If only ego and self-righteousness equated to political power…

You know all this talk about single payer being the only option is kind of defeatist. Does it occur to any of you that a taste of nationalized health insurance will give a lot of people all they want to see.

Fortunately, the US isn’t going down the path of nationalizing the healthcare system. As with Romneycare or the healthcare model in Germany, healthcare providers and insurers will remain privately held.

Last night, you were claiming to be a Republican.
Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM

And explain to me how the part of my statement you quoted contradicts that.

For the love of god, if you’re so damn sure of your “principles” go and prove them with your own party instead of dragging everyone else down with your stupidity as it fails.
Genuine on October 16, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Telling hardcore conservatives to go prove it outside of the Republican Party? Asking not to be forced to have to be brought down with them when their stupidity fails?

Can you explain how that contradicts my previous statement in any way?

That’s right, you can’t. Because it actually goes exactly in line with it. You can read can’t you, resist we much? Or are you literally just copying and pasting squiggly lines you can’t understand?

After all, it’s not the fall of the American manufacturing empire that’s undermining the middle class, it’s the bottom 4% of society- and those scumbags who work at McDonald’s 50 hours per week and need food stamps to survive.

Not as stupid as the Chamber of Commerce has felt for the last two weeks, as many of the GOP candidates formerly endorsed by the chamber delivered sheer hell to the business community. Power brokers in the business world will be carefully reassessing their political strategy over the next few months.

My guess is that after Obama and the Dems took a ruler to the bottoms of the GOP for their irresponsible and child-like behavior, moderates in the GOP will find a new voice and increasingly speak out against extremism.

“Everyone in this room ran on the Republican ticket,” Cantor told colleagues.

“We all agree Obamacare is an abomination. We all agree taxes are too high. We all agree spending is too high. We all agree Washington is getting in the way of job growth. We all agree we have a real debt crisis that will cripple future generations. We all agree on these fundamental conservative principles. . . . We must not confuse tactics with principles. The differences between us are dwarfed by the differences we have with the Democratic party, and we can do more for the American people united,” he told them.

Walking out of the meeting to the throng of reporters, the conservatives kept to that script, but the moderates drew their knives out for the Right.

with so many on so many different handouts goodies phones EBT cards
welfare ADC school lunch give away du jour…

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When the economy is weak because of a once in a generation financial crisis and its aftermath, who to blame? Of course, attack the poor!
After all, it’s not the fall of the American manufacturing empire that’s undermining the middle class, it’s the bottom 4% of society- and those scumbags who work at McDonald’s 50 hours per week and need food stamps to survive.

bayam on October 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

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Blaming runaway ‘government handouts’, doesn’t constitute an attack against the poor. It’s the fault of power-hungry, controlling politicians.
Those same politicians are also to blame for “the fall of the American manufacturing empire that’s undermining the middle class”.

Excellent article. Let’s hope Stanley is right and the administration doesn’t manage to get congress to cobble together some convoluted immigration bill to grant amnesty to some degree.

If they pass any sort of immigration amnesty bill, granting legal status to any illegal aliens, I’m not voting for any member who has a hand in it.

Why would I vote for congress members, or a political party for that matter, who trample the rule of law, shred the constitution, aid and abet illegal aliens in preying on American citizens, and essentially colluded to stab me in the back and leave me in a ditch in order to shower preferential treatment on those who’ve willfully shattered federal immigration law?

That’s because far too many conservatives were worried about winning the general knowing that the liberal media would be doing everything they could to pull for Obama.
blink on October 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Haha! Riiiiiight….

You’re really reaching for anything you can grab onto here, aren’t you blink?

So it’s the media’s fault Mitt Romney won because conservatives were scared that if they did elect their ” true conservative” they wouldn’t make it through the general election? So, you all just made a conscious choice to not elect the person you wanted, which you clearly seem to think you could have, and to choose Mitt Romney instead?

A minute ago it was the “rino’s” maniacal insistence of Mitt. Now it’s the media’s fault for scaring conservatives.

What’s next?

Like I said, you guys blame anyone and everyone for you own failures, because it’s the only way to can continue to believe your own delusions about the world. It always could have juuuuuust worked out if it weren’t for the big conspiracy holding you guys back. The media. The rino’s. The stupid American people.

But you’re fast running out of friends after repeatedly screwing everyone else with YOUR maniacal insistences and then the ensuing spitting in everyone else’s faces when they inevitably fail.

I dunno, Boehner looks pretty shrewd to me. the RINOs won, the conservatives pity him and he walked away ‘unscathed’ keeping his leadership position so he can continue capitulating to the progressives.
That’s the very definition of shrewd.

Listen, I hope that you drive those you hate out of the GOP. Personally, I can’t stand the party and would prefer to see it destroyed rather than returning to the decades of Rumpism that it embraced.

But, look on the bright side, you just got a deal where taxpayers are going to provide Mrs Frank Lautenberg, who was left over $100 million, a pension of $174,500 and, basically, turned over the borrowing ability to the President – and, since he has racked up more debt than anyone in the history of mankind, expect him to cement his ‘I’m #1! I’m #1!’ position by adding trillions of more dollars onto your children and grandchildren.

Socialism is winning. Those who are mocking the “failure” of obamacare need to recognize that it was designed to fail, designed to ruin the economy.

The socialists won on obamacare. They won on the “shutdown” and it played out the way it was designed. “We fought the good fight” is a canned response designed for GOP socialists to save face.

The next thing they will do is amnesty. Not only will they have several million rioting welfare natural born citizens, they will add tens of millions illegals–led by hand-picked military officers who have no qualms firing on US citizens; citizens already labeled terrorists by Homeland Security.

marxism teaches that rev0lution is necessary to overthrow a Democracy. And they hate the United States of America. Let that soak in. They hate with a passion, like the muslim. They will do to us what hitler did to the Jews.

They will do it to your wife, your daughter.

Is it too late? I do not know.

davidk on October 16, 2013 at 6:05 PM

This is exactly right. And yes it is too late for a political solution. The other solution, well that window is closing fast.

months. My guess is that after Obama and the Dems took a ruler to the bottoms of the GOP for their irresponsible and child-like behavior, moderates in the GOP will find a new voice and increasingly speak out against extremism. bayam on October 16, 2013 at 7:38 PM

You call this “extremism”?

Boy are you in for a shock. People like me are growing weary of jackwads like you.

You should come up with a new article to post non-stop for every argument for a year straight.

you ain’t seen nothing yet, buddy. You better get ready to go full jackboot because there’s an awful lot more seeing through the sh!tstorm of socialist/fascist BS than you might think.

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If it weren’t for open primaries and cross-over voters, Rick Santorum would have been the nominee.
listens2glenn on October 16, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Haha!! So now, we have the rino’s maniacal insistence on Mitt Romney. THEN, it was the media scaring conservatives into not electing the person they wanted. NOW, it’s open primaries fault.

Even though Rush couldn’t make that strategy work at all to ANY affect during the 2008 primaries even with his massive audience of advertising marks and 3 hours a day on the radio to spread the word, you think it’s feasible that the democrats succeeding in electing the nominee of their choice over your supposedly large enough numbers to have elected anyone you like if the primaries were closed?

What’s to blame next? When are any of you ever gonna finally take any kind of personal responsibility for the results of your actions or come to grips with the ACTUAL size of your faction?

Again, you will blame anyone and everyone else. And you’re fast running out of any friends after you all just spit in their faces after YOU lose, again.

A minute ago it was the “rino’s” maniacal insistence of Mitt. Now it’s the media’s fault for scaring conservatives.

Genuine on October 16, 2013 at 7:53 PM

You were claiming that there weren’t enough conservatives to get a conservative candidate elected in the primary. More conservative support for a conservative candidate would have allowed that to happen.

Obviously, the bulk of the support for a RINO candidate would come from RINO voters.

It’s like blaming both democrats and conservatives that refused to vote for Obama’s victory. Both blames are germane.

Good grief. Why do you even need such a simply concept explained to you????

What’s next?

I don’t know, Genuine. What other stupidity can you come up with?

Like I said, you guys blame anyone and everyone for you own failures

Blame is usually appropriately allocated.

because it’s the only way to can continue to believe your own delusions about the world.

Ha! Says the communist. Talk about delusions about the world.

It always could have juuuuuust worked out if it weren’t for the big conspiracy holding you guys back. The media. The rino’s. The stupid American people.

None of those are conspiracies. Do you need to learn the definition of conspiracy?

If you’re going to grumble about tea partiers taking over the party and endangering the country but you refuse to vote against them for fear of losing your seat, maybe spare everyone the self-congratulatory blather about how high-minded you are.

And NOW you’re even going as far as to blame the “other” conservatives. Certainly not you, but someone else.

Of course! Why didn’t we all see it before?!

Anyone and everyone, blink. Anyone and everyone.

Why don’t you try taking personal responsibility once and come to grips with reality?

Or else go form your own party where you don’t have to worry about all those “others” bubbling all your grand plans destined for success if only everyone else were as good as you. But you won’t do that either, because you’re afraid to suddenly have no one else to blame but yourselves, forcing you to accept the real world you try so hard to avoid.

You’re cowards. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault when you fail. And that vitriolic list has gotten pretty long now.

So prove it. Prove it’s all just been everyone else screwing you over your superior numbers, strategies, an opinions about the world.

I mean, you all don’t need us after all, right? We just get in your way and mess up all your grand plans. Surely you’d be better off. If not now, when?

Was all of the economic analysis coming out of the Fed between 2000 and 2007 correct?

Resist We Much on October 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Very few identified the worldwide housing bubble or the consequences of injecting AAA rated securities based on subprime loans into financial markets around the globe. And it’s simply impossible to predict market-altering crises in confidence, as the crisis that sunk Lehman and later led to a run on US money markets.

However, Greenspan did accurately predict the huge deficits that would eventually result from the passage of Bush tax cuts that heavily favored the wealthy (the Treasury under O’Neill did similar analysis that also forecast our deficits). So in one very critical aspect, leading US institutions in the Fed and Treasury were very prescient.

Personally, I don’t consider myself a radical. Conservative, yes, radical no. I still believe Boehner should be ousted, for a couple of reasons. First of all, he’s had no plan for 2 years. Voting 40 times to repeal Obamacare is NOT a plan, in fact, let’s face it, it’s a show vote so members can tell their constituents they voted to repeal Obamacare and nothing more. Any Speaker who allows this to happen 40 times is unworthy of the position IMHO.

Secondly, the time to repeal this was 2 years ago, not now. The fact is, by listening to the tea party members and not changing their minds, he showed, yet again, he’s not a leader. The fact is we all know that, were it not for this feckless move, Obamacare would have been the lead story for the past 2 weeks. I don’t fault the tea party members, I fault Boehner for not leading.

If Boehner still has his job in a month, it will be quite apparent the Republicans just don’t want to win and have no one there who will devise a plan that can win. If Boehner is the best we have then we have to elect other Republicans and elect someone who can challenge Boehner and actually LEAD the party.

The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject a debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.

Just saw this on Breitbart. Looks like congress is going to give the White House Marxist dictatorial power over raising the national debt. It’s the same thing they did 2 years ago. Yes sir politics will fix our problems just elect more republicans.

You were claiming that there weren’t enough conservatives to get a conservative candidate elected in the primary. More conservative support for a conservative candidate would have allowed that to happen.
blink on October 16, 2013 at 8:09 PM

No ****, you mean like… Enough conservative support to win a primary? But you didn’t even have that did you?

You can’t accept that reality though. It’s like you MUST maintain this alternate universe where your plans are always just foiled by someone else and that it’s never your fault. It’s never because “conservatives” as in “conservatives like you” do not exist in the public in the numbers you have been lead to believe they do. It’s never because whatever it was, was a terrible idea or strategy to start with. It’s never because of anything that might fault you or raise the curtain on the fact that there’s just not as many of you as you think their are and that your stances are untenable in the real world.

You all do no wrong, but apparently just can’t ever succeed at anything, and it’s all just because people are screwing you.

Your victim mentality is gross. Where you want to take the nation is down. And you couldn’t actually give a **** less what the American people think, regardless of all your claims to speak for them.

Wake the **** up. YOU are responsible for all of this, you.

Do you have even a shred of that vaunted “personal responsibility” in you?

They wanted to try to defund ObamaCare, even if it meant a shutdown, so he tried to defund ObamaCare even if it meant a shutdown. It was never going to work, everyone knew it, and Boehner went ahead with it anyway. If he had followed “don’t blink” any further, it might well have meant hitting the debt ceiling and sparking a crushing new economic downturn for which the GOP naturally would be blamed.

This didn’t happen.

Cruz put on a show, his show was an expected success, Boehner wanted statues and airports as usual in exchange for doing his job, Boehner put on his show that was a flop, everyone reported Boehner’s show as a continuation of Cruz’s show — for some reason — and I guess we’re never going to know what statues or airports he got. Not one minute of Boehner’s show was about defunding Obamacare. Not one minute of Cruz’s show was about defunding the rest of the government.

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) told The Hill, “Conservatives feel like he’s fought the good fight. … You can quote me on that.”…

at 8:09 PM laffs..i never mention the ticks.. but i so do love to see RWM eviscerate them in the town square and leave them sobbing and weeping …openly… ‘sport’ i think they call it… going2mars on October 16, 2013 at 8:21 PM.

It is indeed a joy to watch. ;)

Methinks the evjl Booosh warned about the housing crisis as well. And the race industry took to the floor. In praise of Raines. He deserved those bonuses, doncha know…

When the economy is weak because of a once in a generation financial crisis and its aftermath, who to blame?

bayam on October 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM

More idiocy from mentally deranged. Once in a generation? You, for some reason, do not recall Carter who brought USA to a standstill also manufacturing a financial crisis as well as destroying economy and killing jobs in the process. Another rabid communist Resident.

AND CARTER DEFAULTED AS WELL!!! Why are we listening to open faced LIES AND MORE LIES from mentally unstable and seriously stupid?

We once defaulted, under Carter. Actually, Carter’s was the second time, but first time under 14th Amendment. And Earth didn’t crater when Carter defaulted. Sun came up the next day. NOTHING HAPPENED!!! As absolutely nothing would have happened this week, we bring in way more money that is required to service the debt.

So, you moron, LIVE AND LEARN! And do not ever open your mouth again on this blog since you are obviously incapable of learning from history and all your mouth does is spout lies, lies and nothing but lies!

I’m very in touch with reality, and my sound analysis demonstrates that.

You, on the other hand, are just randomly typing the same nonsense over and over.

You all do no wrong

I never said this. In fact, I stated the opposite. Conservatives did wrong by voting for Romney in the primary because of concerns about the general. I understood their position – as it was discussed ad nauseamon here, but it was still wrong.

Citing the Heath and Human Services website, a report posted Wednesday at the Freedom Outpost says that under Obamacare, government agents can engage in “home health visits” for those in certain “high-risk” categories.

Those categories include:

• Families where mom is not yet 21;
• Families where someone is a tobacco user;
• Families where children have low student achievement, developmental delays, or disabilities, and
• Families with individuals who are serving or formerly served in the armed forces, including such families that have members of the armed forces who have had multiple deployments outside the United States.

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Constitutional attorney and author Kent Masterson Brown said that despite what HHS says, the program is not “voluntary.”

“The eligible entity receiving the grant for performing the home visits is to identify the individuals to be visited and intervene so as to meet the improvement benchmarks,” he said. “A homeschooling family, for instance, may be subject to ‘intervention’ in ‘school readiness’ and ‘social-emotional developmental indicators.’ A farm family may be subject to ‘intervention’ in order to ‘prevent child injuries.’ The sky is the limit.”

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“Intervention,” he added, quoting Brown, “may be with any family for any reason. It may also result in the child or children being required to go to certain schools or taking certain medications and vaccines and even having more limited – or no – interaction with parents. The federal government will now set the standards for raising children and will enforce them by home visits.”

We’re not claiming to be the victims. The entire country is the victim.

Where you want to take the nation is down.

No, we are trying to prevent idiots like you from taking it down.

We want to the nation to be led to the highest levels of prosperity and happiness ever seen across the broast range of socio-economic classes in the world.

And you couldn’t actually give a **** less what the American people think, regardless of all your claims to speak for them.

It would be nice if all American people understood how to achieve greatness, but, unfortunately, not all do. It’s often difficult to educate people about what’s good for the group (think about an incredibly complex system of game theory).

Communist certainly get in the way of improving quality of life for the greatest number of people across all socio-economic walks of life.
So, yes.
blink on October 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM

And look at that, yet another subconscious defensive maneuver aimed at avoiding reality. Not only is everything always someone else’s fault, even when you can’t win a presidential primary, even when you couldn’t retake the Senate with 2 bites at the apple, even when you could elect ANYONE else over Barack Obama, and even when the very plans that blow up in OUR faces because of YOU were YOUR PLANS to begin with.

But!

If you don’t just agree with this alternative universe you’re…. A communist. A leach. A Rino. A traitor. Un-American. Etc… Etc…

You make EVERYONE your enemies if they don’t submit to your “will”. Even though you can’t even win in the real world.

“Conservatives, where we win, even if we lose, no matter what, or else. Join us! Stop being a communist traitor! We promise, you’ll love us once we liberate you! Either way, submit or we’re burning it down!”

The establishment republicans (or as I like to call them, the democrat-lite party) are traitors. At least the democrats,for the most part, don’t try and hide what they stand for. The republicans have betrayed all of their constituents time and time again. I will work diligently to see that the Tea Party becomes a viable third party but I will never again fall prey to the treacherous, deceitful, backstabbing caucus known as the republican party.
I can admire an enemy for at least standing up for their beliefs but I have no compassion for people who profess to be a friend and then stab you in the back at the first opportunity. In that regard, the republican establishment are traitors and will never again command my respect or garner my support.

If Cruz and Lee can’t even persuade people on our side of the aisle that defunding made any sense, then perhaps they aren’t the leaders you think they are.

Norbitz on October 16, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Through the early 1930’s, from a backbench seat in Parliament, Winston Churchill repeatedly warned of “the gathering storm” that erupted in WWII. He was considered an alarmist nuisance by a coalition of Labor, Liberal, and Conservative parties. Sound familiar?