Veltins is horse-piss, actually. Hövels was okay (can remember the bottle that you have given me, whilst driving to the DoG gig).

You really like your beer "grimly bitter", don't you?

Insulting "Veltins" as horse-piss, while promoting "Bitburger" is surely absurd! Evenutally it's probaby "force of habit", so to speak. If you're into "Köstritzer", you surely can't go wrong with "Hövels". I still can't believe Vasili wasn't into it!!_________________"Slit my eyes, for they'll remember..."