Thursday, August 06, 2015

To them, too, we owe our thanks. It's tremendously amusing to listen to the science fiction SJWs projecting and declaring the Puppies to be pathetic losers while they whine and cry and gnash their yellowed, decaying teeth. A sniveling SJW named Chris M. Barkley is only the latest to strike the usual poses:

Contrast this with Mr. Beale, who, on the surface seems to have some moderate amount of talent as a writer, editor and publisher, who has gone out of his way to trumpet and advance notions of homophobia, sexism, racism with provocative slander, libelous insults and threats, wildly delivered with what I can only describe as a pseudo- intellectual flair. However, those talents, which could have been used for the betterment of literature and culture, are instead being used to soil and defame it. Beale’s latest attempt at seeking attention, a worldwide call for a boycott of all TOR authors and books, is as pathetic as it is futile.

All of the activities of the Sad and Rabid Puppies might have been easily laughed off, had they not made good on their threats and effectively gamed the Hugo Award nominations this year.

Millions of words have been spilled, pounded, spit out, spit upon, leveraged and expounded upon this subject by thousands of commentators, bloggers, pundits and literary critics since the nominations were announced.

I tell friends and acquaintances that are not familiar with sf fandom that this is not the first fannish feud to spill out into the consciousness of the public, nor will it be the last. With internet connectivity, hair trigger tempers and the willingness of people to stay up WAY PAST their bedtimes to correct stuff on the internet, it is certainly the most public display of asshattery in fandom that general public has ever seen.

I consider what Brad Torgenson, Larry Corriea and Theodore Beale have collectively done, is a direct attack on what fans, writers, editors, publishers and literature itself. And I consider this attack on fandom and the Hugos is a personal attack against me....

I do not obsess about it but I have been wondering whether he really understands that a life is a legacy for those who follow him.

There is room in fandom for rational discussion, debate and even dissent. There is no room however, for empty rhetoric and false conjecture, death threats, bullying, hateful and blatant racism, sexism and gay baiting, which is what the Sad Puppies now stand for, forever tarred with the same brush as and the Rabid Puppy crew, whether they like or not.

Moreover, this means that while we may have to listen to the inane and idiotic diatribes of Theodore Beale/Vox Day, we do not have to endorse or accept them.

Margaret Keifer’s life is an exemplary example of what every fan’s, every person’s life should be.

What Theodore Beale and his followers have forcefully shown, is that they are incapable of empathy, kindness or human decency.

They have my pity, and little else.

So brave. Thank you for this. Of course, what they don't recognize is that one can't soil sewage. And one can't defame the infamous with the truth. And I would correct him: the SJWs not only don't have to endorse or accept anything I say, they quite clearly aren't listening to anything I have said. I'll try again:

I am not one of you. I do not want to be one of you. I don't want your attention, I don't want your awards, I don't want your respect, I don't want your pity, and I don't want anything to do with you. I have never wanted anything to do with you. In my opinion you are left-wing human wreckage whose worldview is outdated, irrational, nonsensical, and ignorant.

You are neither my intellectual nor moral superior. You are not even my intellectual peer. Your morality, to the extent it can be called that, is a parasitical parody of the real thing. I do not respect you, I do not value your opinion, I reject your values, and I deny your competence to judge me in any way.

I turned my back on your freakish community and everything it stood for as soon as I had the opportunity to see it clearly for myself at Minicon in 1997. I dutifully did my panels and never went to another SF convention or attended another SF-related event ever again. I don't associate with losers, child molesters, or creepy rape enthusiasts, and SF fandom consists of little else. I never submitted a short story to a science fiction magazine or submitted a novel to a science fiction publishing house because I didn't have any professional respect for most of the community's incompetent institutions.

All the SF community had to do was leave me alone and I would have left it alone. I did so, more or less, for 16 years. You didn't. For over ten years I was repeatedly attacked, unprovoked, by various members of your weird little community. I ignored most of their repeated jabs, their libels, their false accusations, their nasty insinuations, and their insults. Out of sheer contempt, I ignored most of their attempts to obtain my attention. But when John Scalzi, Patrick Nielsen Hayden, N.K. Jemisin, and Steven Gould, among others, made an attempt to publicly destroy my reputation, I decided I would not ignore it any longer.

So, you've got my attention now. And you should have known better to draw the contemptuous eye of the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil upon you. Because the Rabid Puppies, and the Dread Ilk, and the Ilk, and worst of all, my 391 397 Vile Faceless Minions, are coming for you. Not just this year, not just next year, but always and forever until you are gone. By all means, cry more about how much we hurt you; the VFM like nothing better than the taste of your tears.

The Sad Puppies want to fix what the SJWs have done to the detriment of science fiction over the last three decades. I respect that, although I think it makes more sense to demolish a building and build anew rather than attempt to shore up a termite-infested structure. But Rabid Puppies are not Sad Puppies. We want nothing more than to crush SJW bones, drink SJW blood, and leave a smoking hole where every SJW institution used to be.

We're not incapable of empathy, kindness or human decency, we simply have no mercy for SJWs. There will be NO PLACE in science fiction for SJWs.

And that is why, on behalf of the Rabid Puppies, I wish to personally thank every SJW in science fiction who voted for No Award in any category this year and award you this badge as an expression of my personal gratitude.

Another File 770 SJW adds:

The puppies lack of empathy and self righteousness will ensure they are
unaware of what they have wrought or feel they are entirely justified in
doing so. Their dogmatic certainty of certain “truths” makes it
impossible to have a rational discussion with them since there isn’t a
common set of assumptions on which to base a discussion.

We know what we've done and as we expected, the SJW reaction has entirely justified our actions. And the next time one of them is whining about how we don't talk to them, don't listen to them, and don't pay any attention to their opinions except to laugh at them, we will remind them that they themselves have declared it is "impossible to have a rational discussion" with us.

Oooooo.....irrational fear or hatred.....with pseudo-intellectual flair.?HAT trick...HAT trick...HAT trick....The "splodie heads, AFTER the horse has left the barn (or something) should be thought of as ....performance art. Suitable for (something or other) subsidy!CaptDMO

Ooooo..."With internet connectivity, hair trigger tempers and the willingness of people to stay up WAY PAST their bedtimes to correct stuff on the internet, it is certainly the most public display of asshattery in fandom that general public has ever seen."THERE'S your Pulitzer/Nobel/Rhodes/Presidential "Freedom" award, right THERE!CaptDMO

"There is room in fandom for rational discussion, debate and even dissent. There is no room however, for empty rhetoric and false conjecture, death threats, bullying, hateful and blatant racism, sexism and gay baiting..."

Therein lies the rub.

If I posit that homosexuality is a disorder and that the behavior exhibited by those who profess to be homosexuals is degenerate by definition, and offer to have a rational discussion about this position, I will be attacked RHETORICALLY, there will be "false conjecture, death threats, bullying, hateful and blatant racism, sexism" based on my existence as a straight, White male.

How then do we have a rational discussion?

You can't, therefore this movement (for lack of a better word) in reaction to a world view many- if not the majority- hold as contemptuous and destructive.

I fully understand holding the kinds of views expressed by the writer above, I simply do not agree with any of them. I can easily hold a civil discourse with one of them on any of the topics but they refuse. What do they think the opposition to their world view will do absent a civil forum? Claiming that it can exist if only we refrain from disagreement with all of their positions a priori isn't an opening, it is a door slamming shut in our faces, forever.

Remember, they claimed victory ahead of time and so they won't admit defeat no matter the outcome. If the Puppies win, they will just say this year doesn't count and go on and on about how the system was gamed and it's against the rules.

It is entirely possible that the Tor boycott will have no effect, as the first cited SJW believes. But they've lost at least one sale. One of the members of an on online reading group I respect recommended The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson as a good read. I know nothing about Sanderson - he may be a SJW, he may not - but I saw the book was published by Tor and immediately strolled on. I likely would have given it a chance and bought it otherwise.

The mind boggles at the level of delusion on display there. It's been pointed out to me by VD time and time again, but I still struggle with believing that people can shove their collective heads so far up their asses that they cannot see what is and should be in front of their faces.

What Theodore Beale and his followers have forcefully shown, is that they are incapable of empathy, kindness or human decency.

Lol.

I read the whole thing. I had to double and triple check who wrote that piece, because it reads like grandma trying to guilt-trip you. If grandma was a husky black man.

His low-T lachrymose soapboxing aside, Mr Barkley does appear to be a genuine sci-fi fan:

I repudiate the No Award movement and those that support it. I believe that a No Award given in any category damages the prestige and reputation of the awards. I will vote No award above a nominee in a category ONLY if I can determine if it is warranted by my personal standards and taste, NOT because it was part of a knee jerk reaction to what has happened or for any other political concern. Those who do so blindly, without any consideration of the work itself, are, in my opinion, NOT ethical votes. (And I can report that I cast at least one vote for a nominee in all of the fiction categories.)

Good for him.

However, he really needs some testosterone patches:

HATE: it has caused a lot of problems in this world, but it has not solved one yet.–Maya Angelou

Maya Angelou? MAYA FUCKING ANGELOU? You're a grown man, Chris, not Oprah. This is just embarrassing.

And for your information, hate solves a lot of problems. Men invented DDT and other useful bug sprays because they hated mosquitos.

Hate is a perfectly legitimate emotion when directed towards things that should be hated: like shit art masquerading as science fiction, my love.

We have too much bad art in the world. Not because people don't love good art, but because there aren't enough people like Roger Ebert prepared to hate, hate, hate bad art.

"There is room in fandom for rational discussion, debate and even dissent. There is no room however, for empty rhetoric and false conjecture, death threats, bullying, hateful and blatant racism, sexism and gay baiting..."

You should be reading that as "There is room for the Puppies if they will denounce their leadership and adopt the warren position on every bullet point. We will even allow them (at first) to qualify their complete agreement with "I don't agree with Scalzi on everything, but in this case..."

There is no room for those who will not do this."

See, perfectly consistent! The only 'rub' is the giant groupthink circle jerk.

I'm fairly certain anyone who has ever uttered the phrase "there is no room for " ate lunch by themselves whilst in school, there being no room for them at their desired table. They can't seem to shake those childhood slights.

Vox's excellent point about burning down and re-building rather than repairing a termite-infested structure really should be the program writ large of a new American Right.

From the U.S. Govt, to the universities, to the media, any reasonable inquiry with access to the facts on the ground leads to the conclusion very quickly that, as the slogan of the Bolsheviks was "All Power to the Soviets!" our slogan should be:

And I consider this attack on fandom and the Hugos is a personal attack against me....

Oh for fuck's sake.

Newsflash, unless I've attacked you personally, it's not a personal attack. This was about as personal as stepping on a ant or swatting a mosquito.

This may have been the biggest emotional trauma of your life but I felt nothing for you at all, when I did it.

Since the ballots are now cast it's time to fill you in on a little secret, Chris. Your voting "No Award" was plan A, all along. If you had bothered to play the big boy and just voted our ballot without any fuss, you would have slashed our sails. But that was always impossible for drama queens like you.

A cri de coeur from a whiny, sobbing bitch monkey of a fanzine writer.

Vox's excellent point about burning down and re-building rather than repairing a termite-infested structure really should be the program writ large of a new American Right.

From the U.S. Govt, to the universities, to the media, any reasonable inquiry with access to the facts on the ground leads to the conclusion very quickly that, as the slogan of the Bolsheviks was "All Power to the Soviets!" our slogan should be:

"9. old man in a villa August 06, 2015 8:26 AM.. Claiming that it can exist if only we refrain from disagreement with all of their positions a priori isn't an opening, it is a door slamming shut in our faces, forever.

We accept."

This reminds me, I need to get a door breach attachment for my shotgun.

"Their dogmatic certainty of certain “truths” makes it impossible to have a rational discussion with them . . . ."

No, it's just the plain, unadulterated truth period that makes it impossible to have a discussion, rational or otherwise, with people who have made lies their refuge. There is nothing "rational" about lying. Insane, maybe, but not rational.

"I am not one of you. I do not want to be one of you. I don't want your attention, I don't want your awards, I don't want your respect, I don't want your pity, and I don't want anything to do with you. I have never wanted anything to do with you. In my opinion you are left-wing human wreckage whose worldview is outdated, irrational, nonsensical, and ignorant."

Furthermore. I thought we did not exist so why are we not allowed to talk?

Its a matter of there wont be ANY agreeing with SJWs because they simply do not understand, consider the quote/headline at alphagame.

"Beale’s latest attempt at seeking attention, a worldwide call for a boycott of all TOR authors and books, is as pathetic as it is futile."

Any attack made by the Puppies against this publisher would be a useless gesture, no matter what Tor employee statements they have obtained. As a result of SJW entryism, the Hugos are now the ultimate power in the universe! I suggest we use them!-overheard in the warren

That's what I was thinking too: he shows way too much respect for Vox's abilities; the script says to stick with terms like "talentless hack." I thought he might have triggered his own purging here. But then someone posted a picture showing that he's black, so he's safe.

Who can say? All morality is relative, good and evil are meaningless platitudes designed to maintain order on the masses. Objectivity and Truth are at best malleable conveniences, at worst they are impediments, tools of a narrow-minded patriarchy.

That being said, trying to argue that your opponent's moral compass is damaged and if they realized this they might change... seems silly when your opponent describes themselves as 'evil', 'vile', and 'rabid'.

We're not looking for compromise.

Also, their block-lists were straight up copied by ISIS and their membership overwhelmingly supports hacking babies into little pieces and selling them to the highest bidder. I feel confident it is not our side that need worry about a confusion between good and evil.

The next morning, I attended the funeral mass of Margaret Kiefer, a longtime member of Cincinnati Fantasy Group. As I sat and filled out my ballot, I could not help but think of the life she led, my life in fandom and the events leading up to Puppygate.

When I read it I thought Chris Barkley was filling out a hugo ballot at a woman's funeral. Did he fill out a ballot for the dead woman by séance? I almost want to look up dirt on this dead woman he is speaking for & is using to appeal to authority. He is making her into a go go girl power girl by claiming after meeting someone for the first time she stood up to a crowd of most likely from the destription vibrants to say “I will follow this man…and I will take the first bullet for him, too!”

Let me hold a Séance now to see if I can rebut him...... Margret is here & says she has been rolling over in her grave because the little pratt is using her good name to support bad SCI FI, she says she has not read a good new sci fi book in ages. There is another ghost that wants to weigh in, its Federico Fellini, oh my he says a certain body part of Chris M. Barkley is even smaller than Russell Brand's.

my goodness... how are expected to have a rational discussion with people who reduce nuanced and problematic issues to "good guys vs bad guys"? or who still cling to these out-moded historical ideals of universal good and evil or objective truth? We have no common assumptions to work from.

Have you considered making an alternative to the Hugos and the current convention? Invite JCW, John Ringo, Correia, Torgensen, Kate and all the fun writers to a convention (complete with awards). Such a conference would draw in those sick of the current sci fi fandom and would soon grow to eclipse the SJW circlejerk.

Nothing will hurt the SJWs as much as watching themselves become irrelevant.

If No Award wins, you can already script the scene. Both sides will declare victory. Then the SJWs will insist that we're just pretending to be happy with that, that we're really crying on the inside because we expected to win, even though we said all along we didn't even know if that was possible, and many of us wanted to burn it down from the start. Then we'll say We Don't Care, and they'll insist that we really do care, but we're just pretending not to....

It's an infinite loop, because they're congenitally incapable of understanding how anyone could truly Not Care what others think of him and say about him. It's like a square circle to them; they literally can't imagine it, so they have to believe we're lying.

Ghosts are highly problematic - they are often portrayed as being white.

If I hadn't already voted Vox the top slot for the short-form editor, this would have clinched it: the man creates and edits a volume on military essays and fiction that:1) Is true and2) Is coming true before our eyes.

Suffice it to say, I have canceled all plans to either sail or transport cargo through the Malacca Strait up until such time the US government can guarantee my safety from a Chinese surprise attack.

Well done sir, cultural marxists rhetoric must be met with overwhelming scorn. Last night my beloved lady was repeating the Cecil the Lion talking points in my direction and I went into full scorn mode against her sources, but not her. Anyway a minute later I could have put the sources up on the wall next to Cecil, scorn works

Heh heh. Well, with Kate the Impaler leading next year's charge, I suspect it'll be a distinction without much difference.

It's funny how this year the SJWs tried to dishearten Sad Puppies by tying them, Brad, and Larry to the Rabids. If they want to know what indistinguishable puppy solidarity actually looks like, I suspect they'll get their wish.

I'm a bit vague on how the "E Pluribus Hugo" keeps slates from interfering with the Hugo Nominations at all. Plus, the SJWs have been running slates for years. How can they disable the Puppy slates without disabling their own?

Oh that's easy: under the rule "it's different when we do it," they are either just 'honestly self-promoting' or 'recognizing a great work' or as John Scalzi says, 'giving an Award to X because they like X and they think X would like an award'.

"I am not one of you. I do not want to be one of you. I don't want your attention, I don't want your awards, I don't want your respect, I don't want your pity, and I don't want anything to do with you. I have never wanted anything to do with you. In my opinion you are left-wing human wreckage whose worldview is outdated, irrational, nonsensical, and ignorant.

You are neither my intellectual nor moral superior. You are not even my intellectual peer. Your morality, to the extent it can even be called that, is a parasitical parody of the real thing. I do not respect you, I do not value your opinion, I reject your values, and I deny your competence to judge me in any way."

EPIC......Laughter is the Best Medicine, thank you for a strong dose of it Vox.

OT: but there's this 4chan thread. http://boards.4chan.org/sp/thread/60913817 Totally not started by me. :^)

Anyone that still thinks Rousey could beat a man, meet the star player for a women's college basketball team, a 50yo white man.http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/15/50-year-old-transgender-basketball-player-joins-jr-college-womens-team-is-this-fair/http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/gabrielle-ludwig-transgender-basketball-player_n_2302556.htmlHe is probably STR8 and wanted to take showers with college girls.

That is some good writing------------You are neither my intellectual nor moral superior. You are not even my intellectual peer. Your morality, to the extent it can be called that, is a parasitical parody of the real thing. I do not respect you, I do not value your opinion, I reject your values, and I deny your competence to judge me in any way.

Volunteering to prepare meals for the parish is worthy of praise; demolishing one of the Satanic movements of the last decade, the New Atheist experiment in a vulgar, unthinking liberalism-as-religion that was most definitely anti-Christianity among other things, is not?

More seriously, so of the wording seemed to indicate you may have an inside track as to the voting at the Hugos.

None whatsoever. I am far too busy with 6 game designs and 3 games in development to concern myself with them. However, as I noted, 3,050 of the ballots were cast AFTER I posted my Hugo recommendations. This proves nothing, but logic would suggest that it is news that tends to indicate the Sad Puppies winning some awards rather than No Award cleaning up.

As a steady follower here for around 10 years, I can honestly say Vox is none of the things he is repeatedly slandered for. The left simply uses hateful words, definitions, meanings and wrong characterizations of people to fit their twisted worldview."Follows of Vox...incapable of empathy, kindness or human decency". That's rich. Way to be a dick and universally categorize people based off lies, false interpretations taken out of context, and not knowing jacksh*t.Here's who I am:I'm married to a beautiful white women with whom I have two wonderful little daughters. We are bible believing Christians who stress God and family, and out of that worldview a love for others. I've also worked and volunteered at a group home for people born with mental and physical disabilities.Here's the SJW Leftist a**hole take on who I am:You're a white, racist, sexist, homophobe who believes in a flying spaghetti monster who doesn't really exist. You also worked for, and assisted lesser human beings who should have been slaugtered innocently in the womb after pre-screening via abortion do to their financial obligation and inconvenience. Besides, their body parts as infants would be better off used for medical research science!A sad, hateful group is the SJW.

In your discovery, I would be interested to know how to properly classify Mr. Barkley based on his weird fixation on Ms. Kiefer's Catholicism.

He could be (a) a "man pleasing" Christian hoping to ingratiate himself to those who would otherwise mock his beliefs, or (b) someone we were warned about when told they will love you if you prepare the meals, and clean up after, and tend the sick, and give to charity, and volunteer volunteer volunteer...and never once speak about your beliefs, as a man who props up a dead woman whose beliefs he would have mocked but liked how she did work and free stuff for him and his cause.

The odds would tell me, being he's a black man, he's in the "A" camp, but he could always be a radical like B.O. and be in the "B" camp.

I hope, if the Hugo awards are put live on line, that one of the Ilk will let us know. I don't know if the Sasquan link will still be active or talk about that. I would so love to watch that live; or, even, after the fact.

Thank you. Bit of a train wreck there if you can't explain the system to a 5 year old. Then again, I don't understand the need for primacy of consensus in a contest that's supposed to be about the best. Perhaps it's a lack of imagination on my part.

I'm actually pretty confident their will be walk outs due to Puppies winning because of the posts like this one. Which is why I so desperately wish to be there. Sadly work looks like it will prevent me. But if it _does_ work out I look forward to some time in Idaho and a few quick trips down the road to watch salty tears.

Sure. I'd been a member for a long time, we were in the early stages of introducing something that is likely to have an effect on the SF publishing world (it will be out before the end of this year), and I thought Scalzi's last year as president was a complete disaster given his attacks on Amazon and Random House, to say nothing of letting the SJWs run amok inside it. So, rather than bitch about it, I thought I'd offer my services since I'm one of the few members of the organization who has ever actually run anything successfully.

My services were not wanted, and I am fine with that. At least I offered.

VD: DAMNIT! "who has gone out of his way to trumpet and advance notions of homophobia, sexism, racism with provocative slander, libelous insults and threats, wildly delivered with what I can only describe as a pseudo- intellectual flair."I search and I search and STILL CANNOT find examples where you do this! Since I love hyperbolic vitriol, I want to see yours.Vox, /where/ have you hidden all this nastiness?Yr Faithful VFM#391

@26Don't bother - a shotgun breach doesn't work if the door is reinforced/braced properly.Much more effective: Either a few yards of detcord, or (if you can afford it) long thin strips of C4 with adhesive on one side. (a) Make an outline on the door; (b) step back; (c) ignite; (d) REALLY do not forget step b...I speak from experience, from the days before they took all my detcord away from me for "excessive enthusiasm". sigh...

We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

@VDWe will, when we can afford to give out substantial cash prizes for fiction.

If the Lord should bless us and we win the lottery I'll be talking with you.

On another note: Our worthless senate here in Alabama saw fit to vote to defund Alabama'a Forever Wild program. They tried to sneak this through but the house is voting as I write.I burned up the emails to my worthless senator and my, I hope, upstanding rep. this morning. And, the Governor. Money has to be changing hands massively somewhere in that apparatus in Montgomery. I understand that only one senator voted no. My wife found out about it this morning; by accident. She was livid. I joined her attitude in short order. You simple cannot trust most any politician or bureaucrat.

Alexander August 06, 2015 10:58 AM Oh that's easy: under the rule "it's different when we do it," they are either just 'honestly self-promoting' or 'recognizing a great work' or as John Scalzi says, 'giving an Award to X because they like X and they think X would like an award'.

No, I get that's how they think and I know that they're shite-filled dishonest bastards.

But looking at the proposed changes to the voting system, I don't see how they can slit our throats without slitting their own.

It seems their slates will be destroyed as well. Unless they only put one nominee up on their own slate, that is.

But we must also never forget that SJW's are extremely dangerous: Cruel, crafty, scheming, vicious, ugly, hateful, lying, and ultimately murderous. Millions of innocents were killed in the 20th century---MILLIONS---in the name of "social justice"; that was the result of SJW's wielding power. We must never forget this fact: The ultimate goal of every SJW is power over others. Fuck. Them.

"No, you can't, if you actually apply the correct definition of those words."

Let's rephrase it then: "Vox believes/thinks things about these groups that would be considered badthink by a significant subset of the population."

If you think that darkies are more violent and less intelligent than whites for genetic reasons, you may say that this isn't racist TECHNICALLY, because Merriam Webster, but it's enough to brand you as a badthinker for many people, not just SJWs.

It's like, they could just say "OK you're not racist, sexist or homophobic, you think blacks are less intelligent than whites and more violent and are on record saying 'These savages would rather live among whites than their own people'; you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote; you believe that gay marriage is a joke (it was hard to find something genuinely "homophobic" you said)"

If you choose the line of attack/defence you chose, you can make them refrain from calling you these names, but the fact that you fulfill the "common" definition of those words doesn't change.

In other words, if you make them call you "Vox Day, the opponent of female suffrage" instead of "Vox Day the sexist" you only gain a minor victory because the former is less of a buzzword than the latter. But you are still lowered in the eyes of many. THAT would be the right thing to target IMO. Hence why my preference is to deny that these things are bad, as sloppy and stretched out the definitions they use are.

OTOH, I can totally see why no one would admit to those things. If I were to comment under my own name and be well known, I'd probably ask what "racism" is and go from there.

Exactly. If you willingly give them a quote about you being a racist (and then doing some explanations that are not going to be quoted) you hand them a rhetorical orbital cannon. They can invoke the word "racist" at their leisure and immediately put you on the defensive as you explain - once again - in what particular sense you are a racist and how it isn't bad in that particular sense.

In other words, if you make them call you "Vox Day, the opponent of female suffrage" instead of "Vox Day the sexist" you only gain a minor victory because the former is less of a buzzword than the latter. But you are still lowered in the eyes of many. THAT would be the right thing to target IMO. Hence why my preference is to deny that these things are bad, as sloppy and stretched out the definitions they use are.

That's incredibly stupid. Look what hay they've made out of a single "half-savage" comment about a single individual that was entirely merited.

I love how a bunch of SF fans voting on a fan award is treated as life-threatening assault. Failure to treat a purchase-based popularity contest with the gravity due the election of a pope is is proof that you are if not Hitler himself, you're his Brazilian clone-children. Guys like Barkley, Gerrold, Gallo, Feder, et al are pretty much poster children for "GET A LIFE LOSER!"

I was actually at a con a couple of weeks ago. There didn't seem to be that much interest in the Hugos. A few of the local satirists poked fun at Sad Puppies, which is only to be expected. I was chatting with a Sad Puppy nominee, and a lady (wearing a rainbow, marriage equality pin no less) and the one thing we all could agree on was that the puppy-kickers were just plain out-of-control nuts.

Personally, I think some Puppies will be going home with rocket ships. But if not, no biggie, I don't care.

However, N.K. Jemisin completely blew the rhetorical victory she might otherwise have had by going on record describing herself as "full-savage". She basically gift-wrapped and handed us a retort to "half-savage", namely apologising about understating her savagehood and it not happening again.

"However, N.K. Jemisin completely blew the rhetorical victory she might otherwise have had by going on record describing herself as "full-savage". She basically gift-wrapped and handed us a retort to "half-savage", namely apologising about understating her savagehood and it not happening again."

I dunno man, it just doesn't feel right. I thought the way to go is to go full on Trump, i.e. rip open the Overton window. There are very few things that are TRULY beyond the pale.

Is the goal to express your badthink in a way that makes it impossible to quote it in a bitesized nugget, (eg Moldbug)?

Again, I would also act this way if my name was attached, but it is diametrically opposed to everything I've learned in the recent years.

Is the goal to express your badthink in a way that makes it impossible to quote it in a bitesized nugget, (eg Moldbug)?

To say "goal" is overstating its importance in the decisionmaking. The goal in the situation in which this becomes relevant is usually to communicate some completely different thing. I would describe it as a tactic, that is operative (among many other tactics) during all communication. To identify certain labels that the enemy uses as their stock-in-trade in the war, and deny them the opportunity to describe you as a "self-described [label]".

But it is also important to not respond to the suggested homophobia et. al. in a panicked way because that is what they are primarily aiming for. They want a weapon with which to put you on the defensive at any time they feel like the battle is not going their way. They aren't hoping for the jackpot; being able to apply "self-described". But they will gladly take it if offered.

I wouldn't accept any of the RSH labels because it is so easy to deflect them just by going to the definition. But I will, and have, accepted fundamentalist and fanatic.

I am an every day reader here, but I seldom comment on the posts. But this post struck a chord inside me, and I just wanted to say Bravo, Vox. Well put. I admire your courage, your wit and your writing. As long as you keep writing (be it a blog post, short story or book) I will keep reading it. Thank you, sir.

"Millions of words have been spilled, pounded, spit out, spit upon, leveraged and expounded upon this subject by thousands of commentators, bloggers, pundits and literary critics since the nominations were announced"

"I consider what Brad Torgenson, Larry Corriea and Theodore Beale have collectively done, is a direct attack on what fans, writers, editors, publishers and literature itself. And I consider this attack on fandom and the Hugos is a personal attack against me...."

No punk it's not a personal attack against you. But doubtless they will get around to individuals eventually. The ones like you who have supported iniquity and political thuggism largely from the sidelines, letting government and colleges and courts and media and other figures of institutional 'authority' do most of your dirty work.

So Chris M. Barkley, whoever you are, please keep those threats right on a-coming! as they are v helpful motivationally.

@150 Well said, Dave. This one struck a chord in me as well. I remember saying back when they were ousting VD from SFWA that it would be better for them to just leave him alone because once they think they've got him they will find that he will be relentless. The funny thing is he doesn't have to try that hard because he just plain outthinks them. He has set the agenda for this entire Hugo thing and often controls daily thoughts, posts, and tweets of these jokers because it's more than obvious that they hang on every post and tweet he makes.

I don't know what overall effect the Tor thing will accomplish, but I do know that they have lost and are losing customers. I'll buy 1000 VD or Castalia House products before I buy another Tor unless big changes are made in their approach.

Well, for all who would like to join Mr. Day and support his fight against the social justice warriors that pollute our world, all you have to do is email Vox with "minion" in the subject line. Let's go from 391 to over 500 today. Vox is showing you how to fight and win. Or you can just continue to cast your vote every two years and get the some old results.

"What Theodore Beale and his followers have forcefully shown, is that they are incapable of empathy, kindness or human decency."

I think it's pretty decent to offer jobs through this blog. Perhaps that's seen as a cruel, unbelievable farce by the SJWs? Also prayers with some regularity; presumably these are not signs of kindness either.

(I'll confess I don't see "empathy" per se as such a desirable core value in itself. But perhaps I'm being too literal.)

Goons whining? Are Goons losing territory or are you talking about their enemies whining about Goons?

It's hiliarious watching one group of people playing by one set of rules react with indignation to another group that plays by a completely different and sometimes intentionally disruptive set while both are in the same game.

Wisdom. We'd be remiss to ever underestimate the power of language, Hass. Whenever possible, define the terms. If you cannot, avoid giving your opponents opportunities to use theirs. When they do use their terms, never EVER accept them as valid.

A good example of Team Civilization employing this strategy to great effect was recently covered here: http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/08/mainstreaming-the-counterjihad/ By substituting terms like Multiculturalism or Islamophobia for CounterJihad, the former were denied a chance to be legitimized. Rather than being AGAINST Multiculturalism or Islam, they controlled the language as being AGAINST Jihad. Normally, you want to avoid negatives, but in this case the Red-Greens ate it hook, line and sinker by engaging them on their own terms. By being AGAINST CounterJihad, they implicitly SUPPORTED Jihad by way of a double negation.

Don't debate them using their vernacular, use your own. If you don't have your own, make one. Language is the terrain in the war of ideas: never concede your advantage, force your opponent to abandon theirs.

“I note that my enemies have written a great deal about me, yet they rarely quote me directly. Why not? If I am so disreputable myself, I must at least occasionally say disreputable things. Is it possible that what I say is more cogent than they like to admit?” -Joseph Sobran

Also, opportunism is good, as long as you are at least somewhat careful of running into a trap. Lucky for us though, our enemy is not good at laying traps. They are quite straightforward in their strategy, which includes shrieking like a banshee and...

"If you use a man's True Name it gives you control over him and lessens his power over you.'

Yeah, it's interesting. Over the years I've managed to piss a few folks off, and people who used to address me as "Rabbi" began using my first name. This I understood, because Rabbi, Pastor, Doctor, Father, etc. are titles, so for them to use my first name was at least a way to express their disdain I thought.

It must work in a similar way with "Vox Day." They think that by calling him "Beale" or "Theodore" they diminish the influence that is "Vox Day", even though they're the same man! That's the weird and amusing part.

The SJW believes that Vox Day is the name bestowed upon him when he tapped into the occult power of Badthink. Like Voldemort, uttering this name even once increases his power and the terror he holds over the lagomorphic masses. Like Rumpelstiltskin, invoking his True Name acts as a sort of ward against the wicked badfeels his writing generates. This invocation is for the protection of both the writer and the reader.

"The puppies lack of empathy and self righteousness will ensure they are unaware of what they have wrought..."

No No NO! They just can't get the reality that we truly relish the tears of these disgusting SJWs.

And they also do not understand that some of us are Christians, and at least that subset of the Rabid Puppies are acutely aware of the dangers of self-righteousness (the sin of Cain and countless other unrepentent sinners).

Nor do they understand that it is our empathy that allows us to truly savor their distress and anguish. But it is already obvious that they have little understanding of what words mean, so they substitute empathy for cowardice and pity. Or rather, for being members of the frightened little rabbit warren.

When criticizing John C. Wright's "One Bright Star" because one of the characters has a nickname, the SJWs revealed that they don't understand how names work.

Referring to Vox Day as Theodore Beale is meant to be an insult, a small and petty one, similar to Hans Kung always referring to Pope John Paul II as Pope Wojtyla. It's a small-minded way of showing contempt and suggesting that the person does not hold his office legitimately.

In addition to pettiness, it shows an inability to distinguish a man from the office the man holds. If I spoke to him in person, I would still address President Obama, possibly the worst president in history, as "Mr. President," because I respect his office. Similarly, I would address my bishop as "Your Excellency" and kiss his ring even if he happened to be a fool.

So the SJWs try to insult Vox Day by using his real name, except it doesn't work because Vox Day is a nom de plume rather than an honorary name or title. Calling him Theodore is not insulting at all. But SJWs don't understand how names and titles work.

Does anyone have a theory about the compulsion to avoid using "Vox Day?" Is this supposed to discredit the man? It's weird.

@106 Rabbi B

A gesture of contempt. I suspect that by using his real name, it's a way to insinuate he's not a real writer. Like calling Mark Twain "Samuel Clemens". Or maybe it's like with Voldemort, where you show you have balls by saying his name.

Is that Gamma on the bunnies head new? I've not noticed it before and I laughed when I noticed it this time.

"Or maybe it's like with Voldemort, where you show you have balls by saying his name."

See, it's hard to say. Voldemort is the name the people in the books are afraid of, but Tom Riddle, his real name, is only ever used by Harry and he does it to diminish him before everyone. I think they call Vox by his real name as a way to try and diminish him, because they really believe it makes him less scary and formidable, and to rally others to their cause.

The Dark lord is indifferent to your love or hate. You are a cog in his machine.i neither love nor hate Vox. I do not care. And my love or hate would be of no importance. I serve his plan, he feeds my appetite for amusement and SJW tears.It does amuse me greatly that this particular SJW thinks tha tif only we understood how much confusion, pain, and emotional anguish we cause, if we had any empathy, any decency, we would repent.

I do have decency, i do have empathy. I have empathy for the people, many of them very like me, whose lives have been destroyed by these people and other like them. I have enough decency to want to remove the parasite from our society, and return us to a sane if not yet entirely healthy civilization.

I simply find no room in decent society for people like him. And really, I find his tears of unfathomable sadness nourishing and delicious.

I spend all day and much of the night being cerebral, and that is fun. I like humor, and the people I like enjoy humor, so we laugh, and that is fun. But a post by Vox like this is great fun of a different kind. My dumb dog, when you give her some attention or scratch her, gets a tingle up her back, but she is a dog, so it travels up her body and ends at her head, where her floppy ears loudly flap against her head as the frisson delivers. If I were my dumb dog and I had floppy ears, that's what I would sound like from the fun of this post.

When I first heard the word 'misogyny' used more than once a year (presumably after it was listed in Increase Your Word Power in Cultural Marxist Digest), I thought it was a crackdown on Chinese rub and tugs.

" . . . if you actually apply the correct definition of those words."And the sad thing is these SJW swine are starting to change dictionaries too. The entry for racism from a dictionary of 30 years ago is different from it now.

Chris M. Barkley's view is that of the pompous provincial: because he's only spoken to and recognizes people who live close to him, and who think and talk and speak and believe as he does, he misconstrues this to mean that only he (and those of his cloth) matter, are counted, will have the final say, etc. So, like many others before, he assumes his place at the podium, arranges his note cards, and proceeds to offer us a Moral Victory sermon.

The Moral Victory sermon is a time-honored political stunt, usually done by the losing candidate(s) and/or part(ies) in order to shore up morale amongst the faithful, despite impending defeat. It's the "This night will see a dawn, this death will see a rebirth!" rhetoric of the lost cause.

Barkley knows the shelf expiration date on Worldcon's quaint packaging, is past. He knows every time he sits down to have a meal with his cohorts—graying, liver spots, false teeth—that the era of the Trufan is dead. It's just that the corpse hasn't been cremated and scattered across the waves yet. It's still there, embalmed, with makeup on its slack face. And every time another Trufan passes, Trufandom suffers another death rattle. Because there aren't enough people in the 20-something and 30-something crowd (who aren't stark-raving-mad SJWs) to replace the Trufans.

So, what will Trufandom look like in 20 years? Nothing but SJWs. Cranky, unhappy, kvetching, back-biting, churlish SJWs. We're about 60% there already. We're just waiting for the rest of the oldsters to kick the bucket. Then it's a distilled, purified SJW crowd. Mostly women. Mostly lesbians, or as often as not, unsexual (abandoned?) types who are (quite frankly) uncomfortable with any form of genuine human affection. Because they're too obese and/or ugly for a man to want to touch them. The few males in the party will be the unmales: the limp-wristed Jim Hines and John Scalzi types, forever trying to out-wuss each other.