tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post6259138163118266912..comments2009-11-24T13:19:15.289-06:00Comments on Belgium Knee Warmers™: Denied!Radio Freddyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07419506761098758178noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-25381654337048469862008-07-02T13:35:00.000-05:002008-07-02T13:35:00.000-05:00Great post - as always.At the very least, no one c...Great post - as always.<BR/><BR/>At the very least, no one can deny that Floyd gave us a peek behind the curtain at WADA, LNDD, and USADA, and what we saw isn't very pretty.Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09887916242020226376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-1268591902512183922008-07-02T08:29:00.000-05:002008-07-02T08:29:00.000-05:00Patrick Brady was actually a pseudonym for Kurt Vo...Patrick Brady was actually a pseudonym for Kurt Vonnegut. He liked to write about bikes, but wanted to keep it separate from his other works. Ever notice how you never saw the two of them together?<BR/><BR/>As for the identities of Pradaig and Radio Freddy, I have it on good authority that they are Tibetan monks from an obscure Buddhist sect that sees FVB as the incarnation of the seventh boddhisatva, Ultegra Gruppo. They are currently living in Mexico as asylum seekers petitioning entry into Belgium.<BR/><BR/>Who cares what their real world identity is? That's so 20th century. What matters is the identity forged online. And it's a solid one.<BR/><BR/>While I enjoy their analysis of the events surrounding Floyd, I am relieved. It used to be a rumor that the big stars weren't busted for doping because they had too much money to be stopped -- they'd be accused privately of doping (which is probably why the positive result was 'leaked'), their lawyers would threaten litigation and liable, feds would back down since they could barely afford to get high sniffing tire glue let alone a great legal team.<BR/><BR/>It's too bad that Floyd had to be the one to set the example. I still see him as one of the greatest cycling talents.<BR/><BR/>However, my money is on that he only blood doped with blood he had packed away over the winter to avoid explaining a chimera. Unfortunately, when he removed the blood he forgot he was boosting. So he tested positive for steroids he was using in the off season. It's happened before.oldFonziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14179912669095256288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-39251530757383407042008-07-01T22:07:00.000-05:002008-07-01T22:07:00.000-05:00a question...I've actually forgot at this point.We...a question...I've actually forgot at this point.<BR/><BR/>Were the alleged technical problems with the A sample or the B sample or both?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-44743963361660149882008-07-01T21:47:00.000-05:002008-07-01T21:47:00.000-05:00As a biochemist with years of actual laboratory ex...As a biochemist with years of actual laboratory experience, I can, in my personal opinion, say that the results of Landis' alleged positive sample are totally inadmissable as far as carry scientific merit is concerned. <BR/><BR/>Working in the pharmaceutical industry, where patents are protected by procedure, protocol and documentation you gain a great appreciation for clear and concise notation and labeling, handling of samples, not cross-contaminating sample and most importantly handling biologicals in such a way that the integrity of the sample, and by extension, the intergrity of the data obtained from that sample is not called into question.<BR/><BR/>The only way this is possible is to work to the industry standard and it is obvious that the work done at the lab in question was either done by college freshmen or technicians who clearly didn't care about the integrity of the data they were generating. <BR/><BR/>From there, the case is over in my mind; if the data is, at best, inconclusive to vague, you can't proceed. Period. <BR/><BR/>My personal opinion on the matter, not withstanding the morality of doping etc, is that the Landis affair was a snow job. Not necessarily a tin-foil conspiracy but the execution of an agenda; WADA et al had something to cling to and they were going to prove a point; the fact that they railroaded standards of practice, the intended need for objectivity and the basic rules of procedure is simply something the couldn't be bothered with. <BR/><BR/>The addition 100K fine is exactly that, a punishment for appeal; since when has the execution of the innocent until proven guilty doctrine become an offense?hubertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-56099250523825366322008-07-01T21:32:00.000-05:002008-07-01T21:32:00.000-05:00and idiots stack on criticism like they have to be...<I>and idiots stack on criticism like they have to be tickled just right for it to be valid.</I><BR/><BR/>Sure. I've been a white collar crimes cop, and as an attorney have prosecuted and defended criminal cases, including lab fraud cases, and litigated civil cases involving complex technical issues. What would I know about due process in in testing cases like Floyd's? Nothing, apparently, compared to anonymous guys on the internet.<BR/><BR/>I do recognize veiled threats and intimidation, however, and think it's pretty lame to do that, very sophomoric at best, though that's an insult to 15 year-olds.Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10461836999036966262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-41003899538789642282008-07-01T20:53:00.000-05:002008-07-01T20:53:00.000-05:00Floyd Landis = guilty as charged. Anyone who watch...Floyd Landis = guilty as charged. Anyone who watched the stage that day can't realistically deny that he was doped. Look at his actions after the stage. They were very bizarre....Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-14372468388715412972008-07-01T20:37:00.000-05:002008-07-01T20:37:00.000-05:00It's pretty hard to believe anything Tyler says af...It's pretty hard to believe anything Tyler says after seeing this and hearing his continual denials:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.velonews.com/photo/35172" REL="nofollow">http://www.velonews.com/photo/35172</A>roomservicetacowww.fixedgeargallery.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-49938081354176084412008-07-01T20:06:00.000-05:002008-07-01T20:06:00.000-05:00The crusk of this biscuit is that the doping indus...The crusk of this biscuit is that the doping industry (those who invent, manipulate, propagate and then “market” these chemical products) are light years ahead of the testing labs and the like. Only now do we have the ability to test and find trace substances like EPO and the like, 10 -15 years after they were used almost carte blanche. Doesn’t that say something about the sophistication of the chemists/ industry who are developing these drugs?? They are likely to be developing permutation number 44446768 this week. Do we actually think that these chemicals are boiled up in a tiny outdoor laboratory and filtered down to athletes by a back yard outfit? These enhancers are not created by accident. They can research, develop and manipulate these chemicals because they have access to large amounts of money and reap rewards that make the risks acceptable to them. <BR/><BR/>Then some one who stands accused gets some well paid suits to take apart the custody chain/ procedures. So some lab rat in Paris left a sample un-covered in a lab whilst he/she had a toilet break or the likes and some dark sinister shadow came into the secured building and sprinkled fairy dust over the samples. “I have never tested positive to a known substance”, ho hum. Yeah I can believe that too. Get the guilty dopers to rat on the people who they got them from and chase the chain back to the people making them. Focus on the result and do not get lost on the distractionsandrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-40170840227384793122008-07-01T18:12:00.000-05:002008-07-01T18:12:00.000-05:00It is all very troubling. The simple facts are tha...It is all very troubling. The simple facts are that cyclists are being held to a different standard than the labs. This is fact whether you think Landis doped or not. If, for you, the issue is: Did Landis dope? - then you have an answer. If the issue is the big problem of doping an ferreting it out, then you do not have resolution. <BR/><BR/>Frankly, the whole things make me sad.Erikhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11638533963578915114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-49073505888032412742008-07-01T16:54:00.000-05:002008-07-01T16:54:00.000-05:00that link didn't post in its entiretyhttp://www.ny...that link didn't post in its entirety<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/<BR/>sports/olympics/26doping.html?<BR/>em&ex=1214625600&en=4a78d8b1cc615065<BR/>&ei=5087%0Alegfarmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11717907063669489713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-1453903131261624232008-07-01T16:53:00.000-05:002008-07-01T16:53:00.000-05:00re:anon 3:27:00 PM EDTEPO testing credibilityhttp:...re:<BR/>anon 3:27:00 PM EDT<BR/><BR/>EPO testing credibility<BR/><BR/>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/sports/olympics/26doping.html?em&ex=1214625600&en=4a78d8b1cc615065&ei=5087%0A<BR/><BR/>take it for what it says and if you wish to look for the background studies and form an opinion please do so. <BR/><BR/>in all of this remember that right or wrong this is sport. on a fundamental level sport is about entertainment and money. So, try to enjoy the parts that are meaningful to you and try to understand the process behind the ugly parts so that your enjoyment is of the sport and not the background.<BR/><BR/>as it has been said informally and often "hate the player, not the game"<BR/><BR/>ride well and enjoy the spectacle.legfarmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11717907063669489713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-81730802802811545042008-07-01T16:42:00.000-05:002008-07-01T16:42:00.000-05:00Regarding innocence and believing: Despite the fac...Regarding innocence and believing: Despite the fact that I believe the problems illustrated in Landis’ AAA hearing at Pepperdine show that an adverse cannot be supported, I don’t believe that “proves” Landis innocent. Based on the evidence presented, I don’t think anyone can come to the conclusion that the LNDD found too great a T:E ratio or exogenous testosterone. That’s all. My personal feelings about Landis and whether or not he may or may not have doped aren’t relevant. <BR/><BR/>As to whether I or anyone else should “Believe Tyler,” that’s a personal decision. The science involved in determining whether or not a second blood population is contained within a sample is to testing for exogenous testosterone what Lincoln Logs are to skyscrapers. Anyone remember the Sesame Street game “One of these things is not like the other”? Not quite the same thing as evaluating individual ions. <BR/><BR/>Tyler’s argument was that there was no provision for a false positive, and in that he had a point. There’s a statistical chance that he’s innocent. There’s also a statistical chance that you’ll win the lottery and retire to Tahiti, but most folks haven’t put their house on the market just yet.Padraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14806791547912750107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-9159476198754555562008-07-01T15:27:00.000-05:002008-07-01T15:27:00.000-05:00if you believe Floyd, does that mean you have to b...if you believe Floyd, does that mean you have to believe Tyler Hamilton?<BR/><BR/>especially now that the credibility of the EPO test has been questioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-58610771235001085722008-07-01T14:44:00.000-05:002008-07-01T14:44:00.000-05:00After all,there is NOTHING more pro than a lengthy...After all,<BR/>there is NOTHING more pro than a lengthy appeals process.jzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17727179613380197538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-21458993632044487252008-07-01T14:43:00.000-05:002008-07-01T14:43:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.jzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17727179613380197538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-87006634845482470962008-07-01T14:42:00.000-05:002008-07-01T14:42:00.000-05:00..."i disapprove of what you say, but i will defen......<I><B>"i disapprove of what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it"</B></I>...<B>voltaire</B>...<BR/><BR/>...basically the disingenuous rips on & attempts at "outing" <B>bkw</B>'s writers is pure, small minded tripe...an opinion was presented in regard to a real life situation...if you disagree, it doesn't make you right or wrong & neither does it make <B>bkw</B> right or wrong, it simply means there is in fact, a difference of opinion...<BR/><BR/>...if there were irrefutable evidence, the <B>landis case</B> would have been 'cut & dried' & resolved long ago...there are & always will remain questionable concerns & actions on the the part of literally everyone involved...<BR/><BR/>...face it, <B>you</B> will never know the truth, no matter what your opinion...<BR/><BR/>...the final "ruling" doesn't offer the much awaited truth, it simply offers just that, a final ruling...& one, that in my opinion was designed to "protect" the sport but does nothing to that end...bikesgonewildhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01489983012589939600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-92085197969202991702008-07-01T13:26:00.000-05:002008-07-01T13:26:00.000-05:00BKW is not about Padraig or Radio Freddy. That's p...BKW is not about Padraig or Radio Freddy. That's precisely why we chose pseudonyms. BKW is about the sport we all love. We try to focus on the universality of the experience and the appeal of clean racing. We love it with all its bumps and bruises.<BR/><BR/>We look at these things the same as you, our readers. We are fans, not professional cyclists and we're entitled to have an opinion. While BKW is not "journalism" as such, we do hold ourselves to certain standards that we hope make the reading more worthwhile. We are not tied to obligations to sponsors or advertisers. We are guided by our mutual interest and respect for other cyclists. Nothing covert or "shrill" about it.Padraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14806791547912750107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-43663260443194224512008-07-01T12:17:00.000-05:002008-07-01T12:17:00.000-05:00Like this site and like Floyd (at least Floyd the ...Like this site and like Floyd (at least Floyd the rider). But, it's reckless to say that Floyd is being punished for appealing the conviction due to the $100k award against him.<BR/><BR/>I read the entire CAS ruling. In the part about the $100k award, the panel makes it very clear that they are charging him for intentionally acting in an petty, destructive way rather than in a way that would provide evidence to support his position. They site, for example, the fact that Floyd's team insisted that USADA bring 10 witnesses to New York for the procedings (as opposed to being available by conf call), yet did not not question any of them. It was clear from this action and his statements about trying to "bring down" the doping establishment that his tactics were to force USADA to spend a ton of money out of spite, not out of a desire to defend himself. <BR/><BR/>The USADA had counterclaimed to CAS for the entire legal cost of the CAS arbitration (over $1M). Floyd was aware of this counterclaim and the possibility that it or a portion of it would be awarded when he brought the action to CAS. The panel rejected the notion that Floyd should cover the USADA's cost of the CAS case, except for the most puntative actions that HE took designed to do nothing but drive up the costs to the USADA.<BR/><BR/>Whether you believe Landis or not, you have to say that his behavior and that of his team has been very poor. The CAS panel also cited his attorney, for example, for repeating the very serious charges of fraud and plagerism at the lab without any substantiation, even after the panel requested specific evidence and after Floyd's own expert witness backed off his statements of fraud. Throw in the unfair way he treated LeMond and it's not hard to see why there are those who would be unsympathetic to his cause.roomservicetacowww.fixedgeargallery.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-61852718560571481602008-07-01T11:41:00.000-05:002008-07-01T11:41:00.000-05:00I love BKW but it's time to acknowledge the facts....I love BKW but it's time to acknowledge the facts. After reviewing expert testimony, two panels found, 5-1, that Landis doped. If the lab is so shoddy, or engaged in a conspiracy, where are the other false positives?<BR/><BR/>Time to move along.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-7993190511368522752008-07-01T11:23:00.000-05:002008-07-01T11:23:00.000-05:00everybody's a fucking critic. you guys make an ent...everybody's a fucking critic. you guys make an entertaining site that at its worst, invited folks to think about what they think... rather than to agree with what's written... and idiots stack on criticism like they have to be tickled just right for it to be valid.<BR/><BR/>you and freddy keep up the good work. i don't always agree with the pov, but i love having the chance to discover that for myself along the way. <BR/><BR/>keep it up. as for floyd... well... it is what it is. life is like that. the personal toll must be unbearable .. but you know, there is a whole life to be had away from this stupid perfect sport... and just like love, its timing. its a really shit era to be riding for a living.<BR/><BR/><BR/>noel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-50332117276241645832008-07-01T10:47:00.000-05:002008-07-01T10:47:00.000-05:00Has anyone tried to deny the finding that Landis h...Has anyone tried to deny the finding that Landis had exogeneous (if that is the term for non body produced) testosterone? You can say what you will about various anti doping tests, but a mass spectrophotometer is hard to argue with, and, as I understand it, that test found testosterone that wasn't his.ant1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-91484393248617848242008-07-01T10:45:00.000-05:002008-07-01T10:45:00.000-05:00Marshall Taylor - When exactly were the "pre-dopin...Marshall Taylor - <BR/>When exactly were the "pre-doping days"?ant1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-64197974364511203632008-07-01T10:39:00.000-05:002008-07-01T10:39:00.000-05:00Why should I care again ? How is Landis testing...Why should I care again ? <BR/><BR/> How is Landis testing positive or not going to change my life ? Is it going to make me a faster bike rider ? Is it going to make me love riding my bike anymore?<BR/><BR/> I can't believe you actually read 1000 pages of this report. Get a life! You should have spent that time instead doing something that would have actually brought meaning to your life.<BR/><BR/> Pro Cycling is dead. Dead to me. I stopped watching and caring years ago.<BR/><BR/> Bike riding is what you do, not what you watch.<BR/><BR/> It's Canada Day here. I am going to go and ride my bike.Justinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16088035307143450988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-32252423349208522562008-07-01T10:38:00.000-05:002008-07-01T10:38:00.000-05:00I strongly suspect that Padraig is Patrick Brady, ...I strongly suspect that Padraig is Patrick Brady, ex- of Bicycle Guide and Asphalt Magazine. Padraig has a similar writing style and has mentioned some of the same locations around Amherst, MA that Brady mentioned in Bicycle Guide.<BR/><BR/>Given that the subject here largely concerns honesty and integrity, it might be worth mentioning that my subscription dollars for the latter disappeared, along with those of many others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2821760991275369602.post-22417803496450111982008-07-01T10:26:00.000-05:002008-07-01T10:26:00.000-05:00This whole thing is the OJ Simpson case, set again...This whole thing is the OJ Simpson case, set against a backdrop of cycling, instead of race, gender, and power. <BR/><BR/>Am I pretty damn sure he did it? Yep.<BR/><BR/>Am I equally certain the lab f'ed it up beyond all hope. Yep.<BR/><BR/>The whole thing is offensive to the American sense of fair play and justice.<BR/><BR/>But then, Tyler Hamilton and Lance both should have come clean too. But they never will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com