The Bonehead has it wrong because the government IS the people.
What other institution is directly answerable to the people? Government is the only vehicle through which the people can express their will.
Of course the corporatists and the pampered elites despise it.

Why do so many rightists hate government so much, yet spend their lives in government? I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

The Right is Right on this one. Cut, Cap and Balance. Makes Perfect Sense.

The Left is using Scare Tactics. They should be ashamed. They know Bush won Two Terms using Scare and they desperately want 2 Terms for Their Messiah. Scare is their only Power.

The Real Messiah needed only 3 Years. Potus is in his 3rd Year and is losing his followers/Deciples. His Sermons at The Dais(with Telepromter) is not doing it. Believers are few and far between. All Potus has is The Bully Pulpit.

Government is the only vehicle through which the people can express their will.

It's also the only method which one can force one's will and views upon another and get away with it legally. Anti-gay marriage rights, mixture of church and state, censorship of freedom of expression all come to mind as examples.

Why do so many rightists hate government so much, yet spend their lives in government?

Not that I consider myself a right-wing at all, but I'd hazard a guess that they get into government to keep it from getting too big to the point where it doesn't need to answer to the people like many leftists seem to want.

But then there's the problem of forcing religious conservative views upon the nation through the use of government force in the form of laws.

Both sides have axes to grind, we all know this. The trick is to not get too drawn into either side so as to start believing their lies.

unfortunately for everyone that isn't elected in the US this is a political ploy on both parts. Congress works on Negotiated plans. this congress is dealing with a split Republican party where at least 100 will not vote for an increase in the debt ceiling no matter what. That leaves boehner as a powerless leader of a divided party. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

All spending bills must start in the House. So the majority party in the House is fractured and can't get a plan passed to start the process. The Senate plan doesn't cut as much as S&P says is required to keep a AAA credit rating, yet Obama warns about a downgrade and says pass a plan that will result in a credit rating cut. I don't get this crap at all. Does he really want the IMF to have to bail out America?

Time for Boehner to use his big gavel. Do a quorum call and have the Sargent at Arms lock them in. Declare a closed recess. Kick everyone out of the observation area and turn off the CSPAN feed. Take each piece of the legislation and do a straw poll. Toss out new ideas and do a straw until you get something that sticks. Bring in chamber pots if you need to. They don't leave until it is done. The Senate and President better like the result as nothing else is going to pass.

What we might see is Boehner resigning and then -- since the Republican party is so fractured into Republicans and Norquistican/Tea Party folks, perhaps the next speaker will be a compromise candidate - a Blue Dog *Democrat*. Just a thought, since the Norquistican/Tea Party is not a majority of the Republican party and has demonstrated that they are not really a part of the Republican party. They have no inclination of governance -- which is in fact (though they don't realize it) what they are paid good money to do.

I would REALLY like to see the Norquistican/Tea Party form itself formally as a third party and then run a full slate of candidates, along side Republican and Democrat candidates in the coming election.

Sorry -- the Boehner bill can't pass the House, he doesn't have the votes or loyalty of the third party (Tea Party) in his Republican coalition majority.

The debt ceiling vote should be separate from budget bills, but it isn't in the current environment. What is needed then is the 'grand bargain' of cuts (larger but more appropriately directed than any TeaParty loonie want) AND revenue increases. Frankly, S & P would much prefer that to the bad debt ceiling bills in both the Senate and the House. Neither of those bills would even be a down payment on problem solving.

Time for Boehner to use his big gavel. Do a quorum call and have the Sargent at Arms lock them in. Declare a closed recess. Kick everyone out of the observation area and turn off the CSPAN feed. Take each piece of the legislation and do a straw poll. Toss out new ideas and do a straw until you get something that sticks. Bring in chamber pots if you need to. They don't leave until it is done. The Senate and President better like the result as nothing else is going to pass.

The Person who during 18 months of an Election Campaign in '07-'08 said at least 100,000 Times, 'Change is Coming to America'. One man. The Prez.

He said 'Change'. He meant He is The One to 'Change' Washington. Not with Help. Him and Him alone. Through Leadership. Through being The "Adult" in The Room-In Washington. That is what he hypnotized Independents and Republicans into Believing and voting for Him. Dem/Libs needed No Convincing. They were already Zombietized. They were already Spewing out their ears with The Koolaid.

The Nobel Peace Prize Winner. The Adult in The Room. The Change Agent. The Messiah. The One and Only out of 307 Million. The Potus.

Lead Now. Change Now. Walk The Talk Now. Plenty of The 307 Million Remember The Speeches.

[/quote]I would REALLY like to see the Norquistican/Tea Party form itself formally as a third party and then run a full slate of candidates, along side Republican and Democrat candidates in the coming election.[/quote]

That would assure the re-election of the president. The 40% who don't pay taxes and/or the 44% who get a check from the government would vote Democratic, Moderates and right wingers would split the Republican vote.

We would have to allow all the states to split the electoral vote and then have a runoff among the top two. As of now it's winner-take-all in most states. Technically, the electors are not bound to vote for the plurality winner but so far as I know they do.

The Pres now says that whether or not he wins a second term depends entirely on him and not who the Republicans choose. Well, duhhh. A President who runs for a second term and looses or decides not to run has always had only himself to blame.Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

If Speeches were Dollars, I wouldn't worry anymore. From the song by Don Henley-If Dirt were Dollars.

Prez doing another Speech again today. Maybe this speech will accomplish something. You know like the thousands of other Speeches he has done.

The Real Messiahs' Speeches have lasted over 2000 years. Want to bet on This Messiahs' Speeches Longevity?

3 Wars(actually more); Financial Collaspe Pending; High Unemployment; but Speech Writers are making a Great Living.

I am Null and Void

365 * 3 = 1095.
Now, yes, we're a few months away from him being in office for 3 years. So, if he has given a speech a day, then we barely get into the "thousand" range. But, you have pluralized thousand, to make it thousands.

And you get made when others exaggerate. Shame, shame, SHAME! Ya shoulda known better ... than to exaggerate to me. Shame, SHAME, *SHAME*! Now it don't matta!

The Pres now says that whether or not he wins a second term depends entirely on him and not who the Republicans choose. Well, duhhh. A President who runs for a second term and looses or decides not to run has always had only himself to blame.

Looses?
What is he loosening?
The knot on his tie?
If he's not re-elected, he LOSES, not LOOSES.
For something-or-other's sake or lack of sake, SPELL IT RIGHT.

Ah, you saw right through that didn't you <smile> -- makes you perhaps smarter and less doctrinaire than the average Norquistican/Tea Party faithful.

That would assure the re-election of the president. The 40% who don't pay taxes and/or the 44% who get a check from the government would vote Democratic, Moderates and right wingers would split the Republican vote.

The Person who during 18 months of an Election Campaign in '07-'08 said at least 100,000 Times, 'Change is Coming to America'. One man. The Prez.

He said 'Change'. He meant He is The One to 'Change' Washington. Not with Help. Him and Him alone. Through Leadership. Through being The "Adult" in The Room-In Washington. That is what he hypnotized Independents and Republicans into Believing and voting for Him. Dem/Libs needed No Convincing. They were already Zombietized. They were already Spewing out their ears with The Koolaid.

The Nobel Peace Prize Winner. The Adult in The Room. The Change Agent. The Messiah. The One and Only out of 307 Million. The Potus.

Lead Now. Change Now. Walk The Talk Now. Plenty of The 307 Million Remember The Speeches.

Maybe Billary was Right. Ouch.

I am Null and Void.

Ha.
Ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
OMG, you're ramblings would make me roll on the floor, but I was never told to roll on floors in the speeches, so I can't!!!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

I'd keep on typing "HA"s, but besides the fact that I wasn't told to in speeches, well, even most of people across the spectrum realize how ridiculously you make your points ... when you make a point, that is.

I would REALLY like to see the Norquistican/Tea Party form itself formally as a third party and then run a full slate of candidates, along side Republican and Democrat candidates in the coming election.[/quote]

That would assure the re-election of the president. The 40% who don't pay taxes and/or the 44% who get a check from the government would vote Democratic, Moderates and right wingers would split the Republican vote.

We would have to allow all the states to split the electoral vote and then have a runoff among the top two. As of now it's winner-take-all in most states. Technically, the electors are not bound to vote for the plurality winner but so far as I know they do.[/quote]

Most states? What state does NOT use Plurality?
(And, I think if we looked, we might find rare instances where the elector did not vote in the direction of the Plurality winner of the popular vote.)