Today we celebrate the independence of the United States of America. In the spirit of the holiday let's also celebrate some other countries that also declared their independence from England. So let freedom ring and have a cup of tea on the Nanny-land.

The number of countries that have declared their independence from England = 0

Australia was not independent from the United Kingdom in 1907, it was granted dominion status. Dominion status granted full control of domestic policies and had the right to be regularly consulted on foreign policy but no separate foreign policy.

Colour Scientist:>Creates list of countries who have declared independence from England.>Forgets best one,

I now declare this thread the property of butthurt people from the Republic of Ireland. :D

You can add butthurt Scots to this list too :D

Wait, Scots? As in Scotland? Aren't you still technically a part of England? I know you're your own separate country and all, but you're still connected to them via the UK, and thus more or less under English control, right?

Colour Scientist:>Creates list of countries who have declared independence from England.>Forgets best one,

I now declare this thread the property of butthurt people from the Republic of Ireland. :D

You can add butthurt Scots to this list too :D

Wait, Scots? As in Scotland? Aren't you still technically a part of England? I know you're your own separate country and all, but you're still connected to them via the UK, and thus more or less under English control, right?

I know of no countries that have declared independence from England, I know quite a few that have declared their independence from the British Empire though. A very large part of Ireland declared independence from the United Kingdom and Scotland may well soon declare it's independence from Great Britain.

Still, no country has declared its independence from England. Even though the North should, bloody southern fairies.

Colour Scientist:>Creates list of countries who have declared independence from England.>Forgets best one,

I now declare this thread the property of butthurt people from the Republic of Ireland. :D

You can add butthurt Scots to this list too :D

Wait, Scots? As in Scotland? Aren't you still technically a part of England? I know you're your own separate country and all, but you're still connected to them via the UK, and thus more or less under English control, right?

Either way, Scotland's never exactly "declared independence."

That's what we're deciding quite soon (18 September) actually. Was just making a joke that it was rude for this list to go up before Scotland has even decided =P

Wait, Scots? As in Scotland? Aren't you still technically a part of England? I know you're your own separate country and all, but you're still connected to them via the UK, and thus more or less under English control, right?

Either way, Scotland's never exactly "declared independence."

That's what we're deciding quite soon (18 September) actually. Was just making a joke that it was rude for this list to go up before Scotland has even decided =P

Colour Scientist:>Creates list of countries who have declared independence from England.>Forgets best one,

I now declare this thread the property of butthurt people from the Republic of Ireland. :D

You can add butthurt Scots to this list too :D

Wait, Scots? As in Scotland? Aren't you still technically a part of England? I know you're your own separate country and all, but you're still connected to them via the UK, and thus more or less under English control, right?

Either way, Scotland's never exactly "declared independence."

English control? Don't make me laugh bitterly. The fucktarded way devolution's been handled, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have more power than England these days. Scotland can dictate it's own affairs on a good number of issues, thanks to its devolved parliament, while England only has Westminster, copnatining MPs from all regions of the UK. This creates the bullshit circumstance where Scottish Westminster MPs can still vote on issues, such as University tuition fees, that can never affect their constituents.

As it stands, Scottish MPs are the reason English students graduate with at least £25-30,000 debt (more for new undergrads, thanks to the current tory administration). While Scottish students still don't have to pay/borrow a penny for their higher education.

Thing is, I don't want to see Scotland leave the UK, but the current system is stacked against England, and I'd like to see something change for the better. And pigs may fly.

albino boo:The number of countries that have declared their independence from England = 0

Wrong.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

albino boo:The number of countries that have declared their independence from England = 0

Wrong.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

Ah, I see, you think you're being clever.

I think it's clear from the article that when someone says in England in this discussion they are talking about Great Britain and how many countries have declared independence from Britain? Plenty.

Not to mention how wrong you are. Just because the Scottish (or the Welsh and the Irish for that matter) didn't think that England had a rightful claim on their land didn't mean that they didn't struggle for independence from English influence and occupation. Or were the wars of Welsh and Scottish independence called such because all the good war names were taken? Did the Welsh not declare independence from the English in 1400 and fought to try and keep that independence for 15 years? Whilst they may have eventually failed to say that no-one declared independence from England, as if everyone in Britain welcomed their invaders with open arms is plainly and evidently wrong.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

Ah, I see, you think you're being clever.

I think it's clear from the article that when someone says in England in this discussion they are talking about Great Britain and how many countries have declared independence from Britain? Plenty.

Calling the UK England is like calling the US California. England is one of four nations that together make up the UK, they are not synonymous. I see the negative stereotypes about Americans and geography are unfortunately true in this case.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

Ah, I see, you think you're being clever.

I think it's clear from the article that when someone says in England in this discussion they are talking about Great Britain and how many countries have declared independence from Britain? Plenty.

Calling the UK England is like calling the US California. England is one of four nations that together make up the UK, they are not synonymous. I see the negative stereotypes about Americans and geography are unfortunately true in this case.

I'm not American, I live in Britain but I understand that vernacular and formal language are different, something that you unfortunately do not. I wouldn't blame anyone for calling the UK England since that's what it essentially is, an island with many cultures and nations which are dominated by one, England. When people think of British stereotypes, they don't think of the Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Manx or Cornish, they think of some upper class English toff.

I rather despair at how the terms England, Britain and the United Kingdom are erroneously used as interchangeable by people. While I can understand the confusion to a degree, to see this in a feature rather smacks of a lack of research.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

Ah, I see, you think you're being clever.

I think it's clear from the article that when someone says in England in this discussion they are talking about Great Britain and how many countries have declared independence from Britain? Plenty.

Not to mention how wrong you are. Just because the Scottish (or the Welsh and the Irish for that matter) didn't think that England had a rightful claim on their land didn't mean that they didn't struggle for independence from English influence and occupation. Or were the wars of Welsh and Scottish independence called such because all the good war names were taken? Did the Welsh not declare independence from the English in 1400 and fought to try and keep that independence for 15 years? Whilst they may have eventually failed to say that no-one declared independence from England, as if everyone in Britain welcomed their invaders with open arms is plainly and evidently wrong.

Guess what you are totally incorrect. Scotland never declared independence from England in the medieval period , it denied that English Kings ever had any rights in Scotland and always was a sovereign nation. All other independence came after the union of the crowns.

Ah, I see, you think you're being clever.

I think it's clear from the article that when someone says in England in this discussion they are talking about Great Britain and how many countries have declared independence from Britain? Plenty.

Not to mention how wrong you are. Just because the Scottish (or the Welsh and the Irish for that matter) didn't think that England had a rightful claim on their land didn't mean that they didn't struggle for independence from English influence and occupation. Or were the wars of Welsh and Scottish independence called such because all the good war names were taken? Did the Welsh not declare independence from the English in 1400 and fought to try and keep that independence for 15 years? Whilst they may have eventually failed to say that no-one declared independence from England, as if everyone in Britain welcomed their invaders with open arms is plainly and evidently wrong.

No I'm being factually correct.

So neither Scotland, Wales or Ireland ever fought against the English for their independence? The Welsh never rebelled and declared their independence in 1400 and there wasn't 15 years of war between the two countries before Henry V brought them to heel? Edward I didn't meet the Guardians of Scotland in Norham in 1291 and force them to accept him as Lord Paramount of Scotland? Edward I didn't get King John of Scotland to swear homage to him in December of that year essentially making Scotland a vassal state? This didn't cause a war of independence to be waged by Scotland against the English? The English didn't sign a the "treaty of Edinburgh-Northamton" in 1328 were the English crown was forced to recognise the the Kingdom of Scotland as fully independent?

I guess you are right and everyone else is wrong. Stop the press! We need to re-write the history books because the 1st & 2nd Scottish wars of Independence and Last War of Independence never happened.

So neither Scotland, Wales or Ireland ever fought against the English for their independence? The Welsh never rebelled and declared their independence in 1400 and there wasn't 15 years of war between the two countries before Henry V brought them to heel? Edward I didn't meet the Guardians of Scotland in Norham in 1291 and force them to accept him as Lord Paramount of Scotland? Edward I didn't get King John of Scotland to swear homage to him in December of that year essentially making Scotland a vassal state? This didn't cause a war of independence to be waged by Scotland against the English? The English didn't sign a the "treaty of Edinburgh-Northamton" in 1328 were the English crown was forced to recognise the the Kingdom of Scotland as fully independent?

I guess you are right and everyone else is wrong. Stop the press! We need to re-write the history books because the 1st & 2nd Scottish wars of Independence and Last War of Independence never happened.

I'm not rewriting the History as someone who born in Scotland I'm going for the non Braveheart reality of Scottish history. Edward I claimed the feudal right to appoint the King Scotland, based on a legal claim. He was able to support a claimant for the Scottish throne by force arms. The lowland Scottish nobility denied these claims and was ultimately victorious in denying Edward II feudal rights. At no point did the King of England claim to be the King of Scotland or to establish direct rule. What you fail to understand is the Scotland, France and England were ruled by single nobility, all of which held land in all of the Kingdoms. The King of England did not declare independence from from France when he refused to recognise the French Kings feudal claim to England because he had done homage for his lands in France. You are projecting modern interpretations of nationhood that meant nothing to the nobility at the time. The treaty that you mention is an agreement between the King of England and Scotland that King of England had no feudal rights in Scotland. At the start of the 100 years war the constable of France and his armed retinue was given free passage across England to deal with a rebellion in his lands in Ireland. John Balliol, the deposed King of Scotland, died in his family Château in France. His son received English support in return for homage to the King of England as his feudal overlord, this event is led to Edward I invasion. So when I say the Scotland never declared independence I mean it, the Scottish position was the King of England had no feudal rights and never did rule in Scotland.

Today we celebrate the independence of the United States of America. In the spirit of the holiday let's also celebrate some other countries that also declared their independence from England. So let freedom ring and have a cup of tea on the Nanny-land.

I really hope the person who wrote this will do more research on the subject matter next time they write an article. England refers to a area of land apart of great Britain (along with wales and Scotland). All three (along with Northern Ireland) are apart of the United Kingdom which political border encompasses the British Isles. (not including the Irish Republic)

The British Empire refers to all areas outside the British Isles (mostly) governed by the UK. The Article should not be "8 Countries That Have Declared Independence From England" but rather "8 Countries That Have Declared Independence From The British Empire". You could get away with "8 Countries That Have Declared Independence From The UK".

I'm not rewriting the History as someone who born in Scotland I'm going for the non Braveheart reality of Scottish history.

I haven't watched Braveheart in years, but please tell me what part of my post was lifted from Braveheart, so I can congratulate the writers for getting that part right.

albino boo:Edward I claimed the feudal right to appoint the King Scotland, based on a legal claim. He was able to support a claimant for the Scottish throne by force arms. The lowland Scottish nobility denied these claims and was ultimately victorious in denying Edward II feudal rights. At no point did the King of England claim to be the King of Scotland or to establish direct rule.

So when Edward I made the Scottish nobility declare him Lord Paramount of Scotland and ordered that every Royal Scottish Castle be placed temporarily under his control and every Scottish official resign his office and be re-appointed by him and when he required all Scots to pay homage to him he wasn't establishing a direct rule?

albino boo:What you fail to understand is the Scotland, France and England were ruled by single nobility

Firstly, cut the condescending tone, I know you've played a lot of crusader kings but that in no way makes you an authority on the subject. Secondly this is only true to the extent that they were all intermarrying, you would very rarely find a Scottish or Welsh noble holding an English office.

albino boo:The King of England did not declare independence from from France when he refused to recognise the French Kings feudal claim to England because he had done homage for his lands in France.

The King of France never declared himself Lord Paramount of England and never had the arms to order every English Castle to be placed in his control. Apples and oranges come to mind.

albino boo:You are projecting modern interpretations of nationhood that meant nothing to the nobility at the time.

I am doing no such thing.

albino boo:The treaty that you mention is an agreement between the King of England and Scotland that King of England had no feudal rights in Scotland.

The treaty that I mentioned is a peace treaty. It brought an end to the First War of Scottish Independence, which had begun with the English invasion of Scotland in 1296. Now, why, pray tell would it stipulate that the English crown would have to recognise The Kingdom of Scotland as fully independent if the English crown wasn't trying to undermine that independence?

albino boo:So when I say the Scotland never declared independence I mean it, the Scottish position was the King of England had no feudal rights and never did rule in Scotland.

So the wars of Scottish independence were called such because? Historians consider the Declaration of Arbroath a declaration of Scottish independence because?