Most cable providers have been encrypting most channels for a long time. Encryption and copy protection have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

i understand that, i am just speculating.

Most cable companies encrypt most channels? where is the proof of that? out of the top 5, TW is the only one that flags most channels. verizon, cablevision, comcast, cox (not to sure about them) do not encrypt every single channel like TW does.

again, i know the difference, so i was just speculating because TW is the ONLY MAJOR provider that has been discussed on this board that encrypts EVERYTHING. My speculation is that since they encrypt EVERYTHING, they took it too far in the NY market.

iMost cable companies encrypt most channels? where is the proof of that? out of the top 5, TW is the only one that flags most channels. verizon, cablevision, comcast, cox (not to sure about them) do not encrypt every single channel like TW does.

You say you understand the difference between encryption and copy protection and yet by this statement you show that you don't. A channel can be copy protected w/o being encrypted and encrypted w/o being copy protected. I assure you that Comcast has for years encrypted almost every channel and has received a waiver to encrypt every channel, including locals, using a ridiculous claim of widespread "theft of service" as justification. In reality (at least IMHO), they just want to be able to charge for every piece of equipment attached to the cable. They have not implemented that yet, at least not here, so the locals are still "Clear QAM", but when they do, no more connecting your digital TV directly to the cable.

You say you understand the difference between encryption and copy protection and yet by this statement you show that you don't. A channel can be copy protected w/o being encrypted and encrypted w/o being copy protected. I assure you that Comcast has for years encrypted almost every channel and has received a waiver to encrypt every channel, including locals, using a ridiculous claim of widespread "theft of service" as justification. In reality (at least IMHO), they just want to be able to charge for every piece of equipment attached to the cable. They have not implemented that yet, at least not here, so the locals are still "Clear QAM", but when they do, no more connecting your digital TV directly to the cable.

that was my mistake, im all over the place today. ill try to clarify my mere speculation: TW probably went overboard and encrypted and flagged the OTA channels after they took them out of the clear due to the cablevision precedent. Since they already flagged every channel except OTA, they went ahead with their over reaching.

that was my mistake, im all over the place today. ill try to clarify my mere speculation: TW probably went overboard and encrypted and flagged the OTA channels after they took them out of the clear due to the cablevision precedent. Since they already flagged every channel except OTA, they went ahead with their over reaching.

You may be right, but I suspect it's more likely due to laziness/incompetence. Whatever encryption process they employ probably also sets the CCI to "Copy Once".

This could possibly result in a good thing for TWC customers with TiVos. If they are forced to separate the two, they may cease setting the CCI for everything and only do it for channels where the content provider has requested it. Unfortunately, the more likely scenario is that they will obfuscate and delay, even if you assume that the FCC takes action at all.

TWC here in LA put copy never setting on a subscription channel which wouldn't allow a recording. I called them to no avail. They blamed the programmer. I ended up calling the programmer directly and told them that I had been a long time subscriber and was canceling because of "their" new policy. Obviously, this had been a lie. They ended up calling TWC and got the CCI bit adjusted.

TWC here in LA put copy never setting on a subscription channel which wouldn't allow a recording. I called them to no avail. They blamed the programmer. I ended up calling the programmer directly and told them that I had been a long time subscriber and was canceling because of "their" new policy. Obviously, this had been a lie. They ended up calling TWC and got the CCI bit adjusted.

Interesting, Time Warner told me that it was the networks. I gave up at the point as I knew that wasn't true. Do you think I can complain to the network or the local affiliate?

I've been saying this for years. I was finally able to get FiOS last year and couldn't order it fast enough to get away from TWCNYC. At the time I was using two TiVo HDs, and I couldn't even use "Multi-Room Viewing" for the local channels because they had everything locked down. Yes, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, even PBS.

Everyone always says "they can't do that!". Well, they did, they continue to do so, and there is nothing that anyone is going to do about it because they are one of the most atrocious companies I have ever had to deal with.

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Edit: Maybe it was just my borough that had everything locked down for so long, so I'm surprised to hear that you were just subjected to this recently.