Wait… You don’t really believe the deciding factor of a cold war starting is reliant on whether or not you say it from 15 feet on global TV or from 15000 miles on global TV…? Right?

Na. Hyperbole. But I don’t see how insulting the leader right next to you of a country who has more nuclear weapons than us, would be a good idea.

pfury:

Congress imposed nearly all of the anti Russia sentiment since Trump started? Those fine dumbs and asses were hired by the American people, tyvm

Trump signs off on them all, correct? Also I believe Trump doesn’t have much to do with cyber policies but a lot falls on his administration. I don’t think any of us know to what extent Trump had on sanctions.

But I don’t see how insulting the leader right next to you of a country who has more nuclear weapons than us, would be a good idea.

From the 16th century onwards, rulers of Russia/USSR responded only to shows of firmness and strength aka “don’t fuck with us”. Toadying never gets you anywhere with Russian rulers, because as their Russian media roundup amply demonstrates, they despise the “hey, wanna be my buddy” routine.

Also, note how Trump is unable to discern the difference himself and the US in general - Putin is a-ok because he’s been good to him and hasn’t said anything bad about him.

But I don’t see how insulting the leader right next to you of a country who has more nuclear weapons than us, would be a good idea.

I’d think of it as a clear act of defiance in face (literally) of an enemy. I don’t see a downside if you’re going to come home and walk it back anyway.

norse84:

Trump signs off on them all, correct?

Has Trump signed off on an anti Russia initiative in which Congress didn’t have such overwhelming numbers as to allow them instaoverride? And then Trump stalled the sanctions anyways? There might be some where he didn’t fight it as hard, but I haven’t heard of it.

norse84:

The 1980’s called and they want their foreign policy back," to RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.

Seems weird that the leaders of so many countries, along with our own, with privy to confidential information, seem to unanimously hate Russia and think they’re a serious problem

Well, there are tangible reasons for this hostility and not because the US was “foolish” and “mean” towards Russia as a certain Donald would have everyone believe.

Obama greatly underestimated Putin and these are the effects because the Russians discovered they could play a superpower on the cheap - intervention in Syria costs around 20 million a month while the entire Russian cyber effort so far costs in the low hundred millions. Also lavish bribes/subsidies to willing businessmen and their politician friends all over the world aren’t even making a dent in the Russian budget.

Compare that to the cost of US intervention in Afghanistan, for example.

Well, there are tangible reasons for this hostility and not because the US was “foolish” and “mean” towards Russia as a certain Donald would have everyone believe.

I don’t buy that either. As in what Trump said was silly.

loppar:

Obama greatly underestimated Putin and these are the effects because the Russians discovered they could play a superpower on the cheap -

Accurate.

I don’t see where you disagree with me or me with you so far. My first post today stated the giant hypocrisy of dems and repubs on Russia all depending who was president. My problem is with them and the media. I mean saying that Trump and how he handled Putin is like 9/11 or this is treason is absurd.

Bare minimum, it doesn’t hurt anything to intentionally not look like a puppet bitch if you’re going to walk it down when you leave the room.

Fair. I guess I just look at it as trivial but I’m not an expert on foreign policy and how to deal with Putin or global affairs. I just care that the U.S. has strong(er) policies against Russia and it seems like it so far.

I mean saying that Trump and how he handled Putin is like 9/11 or this is treason is absurd.

The problem with acting like a puppet bitch is people tend to think you’re a puppet bitch. Personally I think Trump’s just a coward, but it’s not like the puppet thought is hard to sell

norse84:

I guess I just look at it as trivial but I’m not an expert on foreign policy and how to deal with Putin or global affairs. I just care that the U.S. has strong(er) policies against Russia and it seems like it so far.

Well we’ve uncovered ongoing cyber disruption directed at America from Russia on what? Like 5 or 6 occasions so far? Hell we just indicted a slew of them. Acting like they’re hunky dory while your Justice Dept is currently charging their spies doesn’t seem like a great foreign policy move.

I’d just like a foreign policy that doesn’t line up so perfectly with Putin’s public interests. Save that, I’d really just like him to do something that makes me feel better about the hacking and tin foil collusion shit. I’ll settle for a single anti Russia act that isn’t forced upon him

My personal go-to loony-tunes theory? Trump, who is well-known to be pathologically afraid of being poisoned (is why he favors fast food), is deathly afraid Putin is going to poison him, and is sucking up in hopes of currying a ‘we’re homies, so don’t assassinate me’ level of favor. (Note this would explain why Putin poisoned those expats in GB–to reinforce Trump’s phobia.)

BREAKING: The Russian authorities want to question former US Ambassador @McFaul along with officers of DHS and the DOJ who were investigating the Magnitsky case as part of the Putin/Trump Helsinki quid pro quo over me and the 12 Russian GRU agents https://t.co/msX1TauTO9

Go where? To Russia?! I'm banned from traveling to Russia. The Trump administration needs to get on the record right now and push back on these requests. There is NO equivalency between the Russian harassment of @Billbrowder and the Mueller indictment. Say that now @StateDept https://t.co/YFtMbOQcqh

The problem with acting like a puppet bitch is people tend to think you’re a puppet bitch. Personally I think Trump’s just a coward, but it’s not like the puppet thought is hard to sell

See, the same could be said of Obama.(Sure, I’ll take down our missile defense.) Who’s the puppet again?
But MSM, nor you I bet, thought Obama was a puppet for Russia. That has been my whole issue with this mess. THE HYPOCRISY. The Trump derangement syndrome is something I never could imagine would rise so high. The dude brings out emotions, that’s for sure.
Now, could Trump be a puppet? Sure, impeach immediately when the evidence arrives. Until then, this is all silly.

Can we read Trump’s damning emails as original source material like with wikileaks?

Has Trump destroyed classified evidence to cover his tracks?

Not exactly the same for a fair comparison. The public got to read the full text in the DNC leak. Hillary destroyed 30k emails and at least 3 phones on top of the physical files from the original Clinton administration (whitewater if I recall correctly).

While Trump is a bumbling idiot, I don’t know that he destroyed evidence.

Trump’s damning emails as original source material like with wikileaks?

Has Trump destroyed classified evidence to cover his tracks?

Not exactly the same for a fair comparison. The public got to read the full text in the DNC leak. Hillary destroyed 30k emails and at least 3 phones on top of the physical files from the original Clinton administration (whitewater if I recall correctly).

So which side do you fall on? Congress/Trump have the full classified Intel story and there’s nothing to charge and the public is fulloshit in their internet law degree OR there is something to charge and a GOP DOMINATED govt that spent a DECADE publicly hating HRC and they’re letting her off the hook anyways?